| 00:00.01 | octoserver | simNIX: testing :) |
| 00:00.14 | plain | honestly it sounds like something i could mess everything up with |
| 00:00.27 | octoserver | simNIX: dont knock it, i have been testing for 2 years and never had issues |
| 00:00.27 | simNIX | ok ... then that a consideration also |
| 00:00.29 | plain | researches |
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| 00:00.42 | plain | thanks again, cafuego |
| 00:00.43 | simNIX | if im not mistaken for testing there a separate channel |
| 00:00.46 | octoserver | lol |
| 00:00.51 | simNIX | but 1st reseat I recomend |
| 00:00.53 | mirak | cafuego: how is that possible ? |
| 00:00.57 | octoserver | simNIX: really? oh, i didnt know that |
| 00:01.15 | cafuego | mirak: Seems odd. |
| 00:01.19 | octoserver | simNIX: yea ill checkit out |
| 00:01.20 | cafuego | mirak: debug symbols? |
| 00:01.29 | simNIX | can someone plese give trigger for refer to testing irc chan pls ? |
| 00:01.34 | mirak | cafuego: mmm that's v4ldvb |
| 00:01.43 | mirak | I don't remember having set something to debug |
| 00:02.04 | cafuego | mirak: Did they compile with the -g flag? |
| 00:02.21 | octoserver | simonrvn: ill search for it |
| 00:02.29 | octoserver | ops wrong guy |
| 00:02.38 | octoserver | simNIX: ILL SEARCH FOR THE CHAN |
| 00:02.46 | octoserver | simNIX: ops sorry caps |
| 00:02.46 | cafuego | simonrvn: You hear that? You're wrong! |
| 00:03.04 | mirak | cafuego: no. |
| 00:03.16 | mirak | cafuego: I don't know |
| 00:03.32 | mirak | this is CFLAGS = -Wall -g |
| 00:03.40 | cafuego | Then yes. |
| 00:03.42 | mirak | however I don't know if it was took in account |
| 00:03.47 | mirak | it's in a rule file |
| 00:04.05 | mirak | do I have to specify CFLAGS on the make line ? |
| 00:04.06 | cafuego | It's debug symbols; so nothing to worry about. |
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| 00:04.19 | cafuego | mirak: I imagine the build scripts use that rule file. |
| 00:04.22 | simNIX | k |
| 00:04.31 | octoserver | i dont see a deb testing channel, hmm |
| 00:04.49 | mirak | if CFLAG is set then $(MAKE) automatically uses it ? |
| 00:05.00 | simNIX | octoserver, http://wiki.debian.org/IRC |
| 00:05.09 | simNIX | (from friend google) |
| 00:05.21 | cafuego | mirak: If it's set in the makefile yes. |
| 00:05.28 | cafuego | mirak: Then generally it would use it. |
| 00:05.54 | simNIX | octoserver, I also dont find a testing .. |
| 00:06.00 | mirak | ok , but 5,9 megs for a module that's too big cafuego |
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| 00:06.31 | octoserver | looks like here is home :) |
| 00:06.33 | octoserver | lol |
| 00:06.44 | octoserver | id ask in devel but ill get yelled at lol |
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| 00:07.04 | octoserver | im doing a full upgrade, it looks like there is a alsa-base in there |
| 00:07.59 | abrotman | octoserver: yes, that is not a support channel |
| 00:08.17 | simNIX | Yeah - but since they state it there no prob - would be great if it did stated where to go instead -> if you keep stuck I recomend you try mailing list of debie - there must be one for deveolop bug / questions .. |
| 00:09.50 | simNIX | octoserver, http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ |
| 00:10.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman : I just installed unstable again, thinking it would work. Things are going well. But the updated xserver-xorg-video-intel 2.7 seems to be creating an issue for compiz |
| 00:10.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | compiz not starting up |
| 00:10.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | says Xgl not found |
| 00:10.29 | abrotman | so go to the BTS |
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| 00:13.55 | gh0st3r__ | im trying to install vmware server and it requires X to be installed before it can run correctly, i only want CLI access to this server and dont require GUI access, whats the packages i need to install to get access via apt-get? |
| 00:14.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman : here is the error http://www.pastie.org/459170 |
| 00:14.19 | abrotman | gh0st3r__: no it doesn't .. i installed it last week |
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| 00:14.48 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: believe it or not .. i'm not the BTS |
| 00:15.02 | gh0st3r__ | abrotman, im getting errors saying its missing... Vmware server 1.0.x |
| 00:15.11 | abrotman | gh0st3r__: on lenny? |
| 00:15.19 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is it a bug? |
| 00:15.25 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: go to the BTS and look |
| 00:15.30 | wire | is there anyway I can keep kernel errors from being displayed on the active tty? |
| 00:15.31 | gh0st3r__ | abrotman, yea, i havent installed the Desktop Enviroment or a GUI tho |
| 00:15.33 | abrotman | gh0st3r__: is there a better error ? |
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| 00:15.41 | gh0st3r__ | abrotman, one sec and ill grab it |
| 00:15.53 | synaptic | What is the name of that little command line utility that shows which nic has an active ethernet connection? |
| 00:15.59 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone know why lenny is not "seeing" all my 2GBs of RAM? After a reboot it's come up with only 131MBs |
| 00:16.28 | synaptic | jpinX: did you install in minimal memory mode? |
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| 00:17.17 | jpinx-eeepc | synaptic: it was showing the full 2GBs before the reboot and I just did sudo reboot - without any conditions |
| 00:17.58 | synaptic | Hmmm |
| 00:18.03 | synaptic | What does /proc/meminfo say? |
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| 00:18.36 | simNIX | synaptic, ifconfig shows active if cable is in |
| 00:19.01 | synaptic | Yeah but this is a little command line tool, it's like mii-link or wii-link or something |
| 00:19.18 | jpinx-eeepc | synaptic: it shows the same 131MBs as top and free |
| 00:19.29 | synaptic | I assume you tried restarting again? |
| 00:19.37 | jpinx-eeepc | synaptic: yes |
| 00:19.53 | jpinx-eeepc | 3 reboots and another coming up now:( |
| 00:20.20 | simonrvn | cafuego: :'( |
| 00:20.29 | simonrvn | heh heh heh |
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| 00:21.32 | gh0st3r__ | abrotman, error: "This program cannot tell for sure, but you may need to upgrade libc5 to glibc before you can run Vmware server." |
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| 00:21.56 | gh0st3r__ | abrotman, it gives me a list of missing things, such as libXt.so.6, libX11.so.6 and libXrender.so.1? |
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| 00:22.40 | abrotman | gh0st3r__: uhm .. how old is this box ? |
| 00:22.41 | amphi | wire: dmesg -n1 |
| 00:23.41 | gh0st3r__ | abrotman, the physical hardware is about 2 - 3 years old, Debian lenny was installed on it, 2 hours ago and directly after install i ran apt-get upgrade |
| 00:23.55 | gh0st3r__ | abrotman, its caust i installed it without the desktop enviroment |
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| 00:24.25 | wire | amphi: I guess that will work, I really wouldn't mind if I could just restrict it to a single console though |
| 00:24.50 | wire | have a hard drive getting hard reset every couple of minutes and it was really getting annoying |
| 00:25.07 | amphi | wire: why not have the log dumped to an empty VT? |
| 00:25.40 | abrotman | gh0st3r__: FWIW .. i couldn't get vmware 1.x to go on lenny .. ended up using 2.x |
| 00:25.44 | amphi | wire: '*.* /dev/tty12' or some such in your /etc/syslog.conf |
| 00:25.48 | abrotman | gh0st3r__: but i got a different error |
| 00:26.15 | gh0st3r__ | abrotman, it needs something like xserver-xorg-core? or something like that |
| 00:26.42 | wire | amphi: I'll play around with it some other time I guess. after I get everything off of this hd |
| 00:26.48 | abrotman | gh0st3r__: i doubt it |
| 00:27.01 | gh0st3r__ | abrotman, it needs the GUI libraries |
| 00:27.14 | abrotman | !apt-file |
| 00:27.15 | dpkg | [apt-file] a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
| 00:27.15 | gh0st3r__ | abrotman, does Vmware 2.x still have errors? |
| 00:27.19 | gh0st3r__ | or have they fixed em? |
| 00:27.34 | abrotman | errors? the only one i found was about adding users .. but if you google the message, it's easily solved |
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| 00:27.56 | gh0st3r__ | abrotman, ohhh... adding seperate user accounts.... |
| 00:28.28 | gh0st3r__ | abrotman, when it first came out it was insecure as heck and had a whole heap of errors when you did anything... |
| 00:28.40 | abrotman | seems to work mostly well |
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| 00:30.57 | n3kl | Anyone know how to increate raid5 performance? |
| 00:31.07 | gh0st3r__ | n3kl, not use it :p |
| 00:31.19 | n3kl | and use what in place |
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| 00:31.38 | Polarina | n3kl: No RAID. |
| 00:31.40 | gh0st3r__ | n3kl, depends on what you want it for? |
| 00:32.03 | n3kl | no raid is not an option |
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| 00:32.21 | Polarina | n3kl: RAID is pain. |
| 00:32.36 | n3kl | I've been happy with it for years |
| 00:32.38 | gh0st3r__ | n3kl, if its a mass 50+ client network share, i would suggest a SAN of some form, if its your home pc for gaming, i would suggest like RAID0 or 1 (the striping one), if its somewhere inbetween look at segegating data |
| 00:33.16 | abrotman | raid1 is not striping |
| 00:33.27 | n3kl | my sytems are part of an afs cluster and I am looking to increase the performance of existing raid5 arrays. |
| 00:33.34 | gh0st3r__ | abrotman, yea, i get the two mixed up so its easier to say both and let someone correct me |
| 00:33.36 | n3kl | raid1 is mirroring |
| 00:33.42 | gh0st3r__ | n3kl, go for a san |
| 00:33.43 | abrotman | the underlying raid5 parts of the AFS? |
| 00:33.47 | gh0st3r__ | n3kl, or two sans |
| 00:33.49 | abrotman | gh0st3r__: what is AFS? |
| 00:33.52 | n3kl | gh0st3r__: the 0 in raid 0 stands for how many files you get back when a disk fails |
| 00:33.55 | pipeline | abrotman: the andrew file system ? |
| 00:34.03 | abrotman | pipeline: hush |
| 00:34.13 | gh0st3r__ | nekl, thats incorrect! you get one file... its known as a "employment termination" |
| 00:34.14 | pipeline | n3kl: have you adequately determined that the storage subsystem is the problem ? AFS can be pretty rough no matter what the backing store is |
| 00:34.36 | pipeline | n3kl: this is an easy thing to figure out - install sysstat, run iostat -x 1 |
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| 00:34.50 | pipeline | n3kl: avgqsz and util% are the key figures |
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| 00:34.56 | gh0st3r__ | abrotman, im sorry but im not that good, i have no idea what AFS is... haha |
| 00:34.57 | n3kl | pipeline: on the same array, I have an logical volume mounted, and I am testing the performance with dd |
| 00:35.06 | pipeline | n3kl: that's a terrible test |
| 00:35.10 | abrotman | !tell gh0st3r__ about afs |
| 00:35.21 | abrotman | n3kl: maybe try bonnie? |
| 00:35.22 | n3kl | pipeline: why's that? |
| 00:35.26 | gh0st3r__ | no offence, but i dont care either haha |
| 00:35.38 | pipeline | n3kl: well, it depends on what your problem is |
| 00:35.39 | abrotman | gh0st3r__: but you're telling him to abandon AFS for a SAN |
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| 00:35.54 | gh0st3r__ | abrotman, sans rape! they are the shizzle |
| 00:35.57 | pipeline | abrotman, gh0st3r__ : Those problems are orthogonal. And a SAN isn't necessarily high performance. |
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| 00:36.05 | abrotman | pipeline: i'm not the one arguing it |
| 00:36.06 | pipeline | n3kl: so, dd tests your ability to read in a straight line. |
| 00:36.07 | n3kl | afs is the shizzle |
| 00:36.09 | gh0st3r__ | pipeline, i guess thats correct |
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| 00:36.12 | abrotman | gh0st3r__: you still don't know what afs is |
| 00:36.16 | Stanlin | hello, and help |
| 00:36.25 | pipeline | n3kl: reading in a straight line is... easy. |
| 00:36.27 | n3kl | pipeline: rather than randomly on a disk. |
| 00:36.31 | n3kl | pipeline: I see |
| 00:36.32 | pipeline | n3kl: your average $40 disk will read 100 MB/s in a straight line |
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| 00:36.41 | pipeline | n3kl: the problems are in random reads, and in concurrency. |
| 00:36.54 | Stanlin | is is true that SSD are superior to SATA2 disks? |
| 00:36.58 | pipeline | n3kl: people pay big fucking bucks toget reasonable performance in random/read write and high IO operatios per secon (IOPs) |
| 00:36.58 | Polarina | pipeline: And in straight line backwards? |
| 00:37.08 | Polarina | Stanlin: Depends. |
| 00:37.11 | gh0st3r__ | Stanlin, yes... |
| 00:37.15 | deb-eater | afs is the shizzle if yiu are running a linux/bsd or uniux server on aapple network |
| 00:37.22 | Stanlin | Polarina: what do you mean, milady ? |
| 00:37.24 | gh0st3r__ | Polarina, no moving parts mean they are |
| 00:37.34 | pipeline | Stanlin, gh0st3r__ : Only Intel SSDs. And only under certain circumstances. Most of the time, SSDs are a net loss. |
| 00:37.39 | n3kl | deb-eater: has nothing to do with apple |
| 00:38.03 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Polarina : :) |
| 00:38.04 | abrotman | agrees with pipeline |
| 00:38.11 | pipeline | deb-eater: apple file sharing is usually called netatalk. AFS is the andrew filesystem - it's more like Windows DFS, but cross-platform. |
| 00:38.20 | Polarina | sh4d3sl4y3r_: :) |
| 00:38.28 | gh0st3r__ | abrotman, apt-get install xorg fixed the vmware-server 1.0.x on Debian Lenny server btw :) |
| 00:38.29 | Stanlin | pipeline: are you saying that only intel's SSDs are worthy? |
| 00:38.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 00:38.42 | abrotman | gh0st3r__: i'm sure it did .. you just installed all of X .. good job |
| 00:38.48 | pipeline | n3kl: so, the first step here is to identify your problem. The first step in that process is figuring out whether I/O is the problem at all. iostat will help you with that. |
| 00:38.50 | gh0st3r__ | pipeline, they are a complete net loss |
| 00:39.04 | gh0st3r__ | abrotman, it wont load when i boot tho... will it? |
| 00:39.14 | n3kl | pipeline: alright, I will start looking at that. |
| 00:39.18 | abrotman | gh0st3r__: nope .. but you don't need all of X .. you just need X libs |
| 00:39.27 | n3kl | pipeline: thanks for the info |
| 00:39.31 | pipeline | Stanlin: well, anyone can bolt together a bunch of flash chips and get *fantastic* random read performance. The problem is that getting write performance out of flash chips is a bitch. |
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| 00:40.22 | deb-eater | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.23 | pipeline | Stanlin: Intel has spent lots and lots of money on high-quality firmware and cache implementations. The no-name brands haven't. It shows. In a few years, I'm sure the gap will be small or non-existent. Here and now, today, using a non-Intel SSD in any role that involves write traffic means shit performance. |
| 00:40.40 | Polarina | deb-eater: #ubuntu |
| 00:41.00 | deb-eater | ?win 2 |
| 00:41.25 | pipeline | n3kl: so, when you're looking at iostat output... if util% is high, but queue size (qsz) and average latency is low, that means you're having problems reading/writing large items essentially in a straight line. |
| 00:41.40 | Stanlin | pipeline: i see, thanks for the advice... ill order an intel SSD |
| 00:41.52 | pipeline | n3kl: more likely, though, util% is high, and queue size is high, and average latency is high. Then your problem is IOs per second. :\ |
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| 00:42.01 | pipeline | Stanlin: Intel SSDs cost several times as much as off-brands. :( |
| 00:42.09 | pipeline | Stanlin: most of the time, you're better off just getting a SATA or SAS drive |
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| 00:42.52 | Stanlin | pipeline: i guess that makes sense for a laptop |
| 00:42.54 | Polarina | SSD with a SATA2 plug? |
| 00:43.23 | abrotman | Polarina: how is that any different? |
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| 00:43.37 | Polarina | abrotman: In no way. |
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| 00:43.50 | n3kl | pipeline: what package is iostat a part of? |
| 00:43.54 | abrotman | sysstat |
| 00:43.58 | abrotman | !tell n3kl about search |
| 00:44.10 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !sunday |
| 00:44.10 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 00:44.12 | n3kl | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:44.37 | pipeline | n3kl: sysstat, as I mentioned earlier. |
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| 00:44.59 | pipeline | n3kl: sysstat also gets you sar, the statistics collector/analyzer for long-term data. Pretty fucking handy. Particularly if you have a solaris dude at hand. |
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| 00:47.29 | Stanlin | seems OSZ is better than Intel http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ocz-ssd-vertex-intel-solid-state,7127.html |
| 00:50.28 | n3kl | pipeline: iostat is pretty neat |
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| 00:51.42 | abrotman | Stanlin: try ##hardware |
| 00:51.55 | abrotman | n3kl: you can get better stats with more time |
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| 00:55.11 | n3kl | So should I be paying attention to the partitions that belong to the array then? |
| 00:55.26 | n3kl | Those seem to be the ones that light up when I dump /dev/zero |
| 00:55.32 | pipeline | n3kl: no, just look at the array or lvm device |
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| 00:55.42 | pipeline | n3kl: iostat -d -x 1 md0 |
| 00:55.48 | pipeline | n3kl: but yeah, a test with dd is totally useless. |
| 00:55.51 | pipeline | n3kl: it tests a rare case |
| 00:55.59 | pipeline | n3kl: bonnie++ isn't that helpful, either, but it's better than nothing. |
| 00:56.15 | pipeline | n3kl: what you really need is performance data from production, otherwise you can't really identify your problem. |
| 00:56.19 | n3kl | pipeline: but I should still be using dd to get iostat to jump, right |
| 00:56.36 | pipeline | n3kl: no, that's a waste of time - dd just writes huge amounts of data in a straight line. That doesn't really test anything of interest. |
| 00:56.45 | pipeline | n3kl: run iostat in production to find your performance problem, and address that. |
| 00:56.48 | n3kl | ahh, back to the straight line thing |
| 00:56.49 | cafuego | And also http://openquery.com/blog/meauring-hd-latency-ways-relevant-mysql |
| 00:57.08 | pipeline | n3kl: believe it or not there aren't really any synthetic benchmarks for i/o that don't blow ass |
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| 00:57.29 | pipeline | n3kl: particularly when we're not sure it's I/O - like I said, AFS can be brutal. Are you even certain that the IO subsystem is the problem ? |
| 00:57.47 | n3kl | pipeline: so when there is heavy disk io, the lvm hits 100% util and the md0 device never jumps above 0%, how is that usefull infoprmation? |
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| 00:58.40 | abrotman | pipeline: bonnie is still better than dd .. barely |
| 00:58.56 | Stanlin | bonnie is an utility? |
| 00:58.56 | abrotman | n3kl: wait .. swraid5 ? |
| 00:59.03 | abrotman | Stanlin: apt-cache search bonnie |
| 00:59.14 | n3kl | pipeline: I'm not saying that there is a problem at all. My original inquiry was about how to boost performance on a raid 5 md array, rather than there actually being a problem with the array |
| 00:59.18 | n3kl | abrotman: yes |
| 00:59.27 | pipeline | n3kl: well, boosting performance is easy - more spindles or faster spindles |
| 00:59.31 | abrotman | n3kl: is the CPU load okay? |
| 00:59.39 | n3kl | perfect |
| 00:59.44 | abrotman | just making sure |
| 01:00.08 | pipeline | n3kl: but in general, it's a waste of your time. Better to fix the underlying problem. If performance is a problem, md is probably not the solution :) |
| 01:00.19 | n3kl | I thought I remember some tweaks in /sys/block that could be done, but I am not seening the increases in performance that I remember seeing once apon a time |
| 01:00.51 | pipeline | Stanlin: bonnie++ is a questionably useful synthetic benchmark for disk io. |
| 01:00.52 | n3kl | pipeline: I only went raid 5 becuase rebuilding an array from a failed disk is easier than rebuilding the entire system from scratch |
| 01:00.57 | pipeline | abrotman: I think I said that a minute ago. |
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| 01:01.08 | abrotman | pipeline: i can't watch everything you say! :) |
| 01:01.10 | pipeline | n3kl: Yeah, I use linux software raid at home also. Software raid is cheap. |
| 01:01.15 | pipeline | abrotman: bastard |
| 01:01.23 | n3kl | pipeline: indeed |
| 01:01.30 | abrotman | pipeline: sorry .. i try .. but it's sunday .. gotta watch for other things :) |
| 01:01.32 | pipeline | n3kl: but it isn't fast. Worry about performance when it is a problem. If it's not a problem, why are you tuning it ? |
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| 01:01.59 | pipeline | abrotman: I'll p-m you when I start pasting 80-line ascii depictions of glowing cocks in the channel |
| 01:02.09 | abrotman | oh, that'd be swell |
| 01:02.16 | n3kl | pipeline: I figured I got everythign up and running, and if there is a simple way to increase performance, wouldn't you do it? |
| 01:02.27 | pipeline | n3kl: No. It's running. Why would I touch it ? :D |
| 01:02.31 | Polarina | n3kl: Reduce I/O usage, done. |
| 01:02.33 | Polarina | Good night. |
| 01:02.52 | pipeline | n3kl: I do this for a living. The first thing I learned: If it ain't broke, don't fuck with it. |
| 01:02.54 | cafuego | n3kl: There is, it's called "Add ram, cache more, faster hardware." ;-) |
| 01:03.13 | pipeline | n3kl: set up the simplest thing that you think could possibly work; if it works, don't fuck with it. |
| 01:03.21 | n3kl | ram is not the issue |
| 01:03.33 | cafuego | n3kl: Fiddling with slow hardare to make it run like fast hardware leads to pain. |
| 01:04.23 | cafuego | n3kl: raid10 would probably give you better performance than raid5 btw. |
| 01:04.34 | n3kl | cafuego: at double the cost, sure |
| 01:04.50 | cafuego | Disks are cheap |
| 01:05.17 | pipeline | cafuego: chassis are not |
| 01:05.21 | cafuego | As in: close to negligably cheap. |
| 01:05.32 | n3kl | cafuego: meh, thats relative |
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| 01:05.43 | pipeline | cafuego: yeah, the disk may be $400, but the chassis that contains it is $7-$15k. That gets ugly. |
| 01:06.01 | cafuego | n3kl: 1TB is cheaper then my hourly rate of trying to make stuff faster, let me put it that way ;-) |
| 01:06.02 | abrotman | n3kl: i assume if you're already using AFS .. it's a decently large installation ? |
| 01:06.15 | pipeline | I think n3kl has a home pc and he's fucking with it for the hell of it |
| 01:06.20 | pipeline | which raises the question: why afs ? |
| 01:06.22 | pipeline | nfs is so simple :X |
| 01:06.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:06.31 | pipeline | nfs blows on linux, but it works fine linux-to-linux |
| 01:06.42 | pipeline | just don't expect linux nfs to play nice with others. |
| 01:06.43 | n3kl | abrotman: home installation of two servers and counting totalling 2Tb |
| 01:06.59 | pipeline | n3kl: 2TB costs about $200 now. |
| 01:07.15 | n3kl | yeah, I will be looking to add another server with disks soon |
| 01:07.25 | n3kl | but tax money is still comming, and bills come first |
| 01:07.42 | n3kl | afs is cool |
| 01:07.50 | pipeline | relying on government graft as a savings plan, tsk tsk |
| 01:07.53 | cafuego | tax money? |
| 01:07.55 | Stanlin | 2tb for laptops? |
| 01:07.57 | pipeline | AFS is cool but obsolete. It's two steps from being dead. |
| 01:08.02 | abrotman | yay gfs! |
| 01:08.04 | pipeline | a pity, really. |
| 01:08.10 | pipeline | abrotman: pffft gfs |
| 01:08.16 | pipeline | abrotman: ocfs has a future. gfs does not. |
| 01:08.18 | cafuego | pipeline: Well, the .AU govt is handing out cash (top help the economy) |
| 01:08.20 | abrotman | it's a different goal |
| 01:08.20 | n3kl | pipeline: not a savings plan, a spending plan. Savings is something I have in order and I am sure not going to spend it on hardware =] |
| 01:08.24 | abrotman | than AFS i mean |
| 01:09.15 | cafuego | All that said, i widh my rsync back to raid6 for the sake of having raid6 would hurry up. |
| 01:10.15 | n3kl | the biggest thing was that I setup kerberos, and then was like, now what. Afs was a next step |
| 01:10.23 | n3kl | its all for the edumacation |
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| 01:10.58 | n3kl | Is afs really on its way out. Seems like it does its job pretty well, and is still under developmet |
| 01:11.12 | abrotman | you mean openafs right ? |
| 01:11.32 | n3kl | yes |
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| 01:14.20 | octoserver | well, i did a full-upgrade, and it even installed a new alsa-base and a new kernel but i still dont have any sound |
| 01:14.25 | octoserver | what crapola |
| 01:14.31 | abrotman | octoserver: does lspci show the card? |
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| 01:16.03 | octoserver | kmixer sees it |
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| 01:16.35 | octoserver | 01:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs CA0106 Soundblaster |
| 01:16.54 | octoserver | i cant seem to see it when i run alsamixer from the command |
| 01:16.58 | n3kl | octoserver: alsa-utils, and alsaconf? |
| 01:17.48 | linuxluser | helo! My internet is crappy atm, so i must go to internet cafe to download debian updates. How do i get apt-get to only print url (of updated packages, and any new packages pulled in as dependencies) so that I can download later from better internet connection? |
| 01:18.42 | n3kl | abrotman: do you use gfs? |
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| 01:19.25 | octoserver | n3kl: dont see a alsaconf |
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| 01:19.38 | n3kl | octoserver: install alsa-utils, then run alsaconf |
| 01:19.54 | abrotman | n3kl: no .. i'm pretty sure not many people at all do .. |
| 01:20.08 | n3kl | ahh |
| 01:20.11 | octoserver | alsa-utils is installed |
| 01:20.16 | abrotman | n3kl: it's an interesting idea though |
| 01:20.22 | octoserver | is alsaconf in sbin ? |
| 01:20.36 | n3kl | abrotman: well, it just seems like its concept is a lot like openafs |
| 01:20.40 | octoserver | or in /etc ? |
| 01:20.50 | cafuego | linuxluser: I believe apt-zip can help you out. |
| 01:20.52 | abrotman | n3kl: pipeline will have pretty words to say about GFS :) |
| 01:20.56 | n3kl | abrotman: and if there is something that has a brighter future than openafs, I would love to read about it |
| 01:21.09 | cafuego | linuxluser: Ypu'll nee to install apt-zip itself via the crappy connection, though. |
| 01:21.29 | n3kl | octoserver: /usr/sbin/alsaconf |
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| 01:21.55 | n3kl | octoserver: run it as root |
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| 01:22.06 | abrotman | n3kl: i'll just tell you that it's been around for a decent amount of time, and should be stable .. |
| 01:22.28 | n3kl | abrotman: which? afs or gfs? |
| 01:22.37 | octoserver | n3kl: could it b e in alsa-tools ? |
| 01:23.01 | abrotman | n3kl: afs has been around longer than gfs IIRC .. but i meant gfs |
| 01:23.03 | abrotman | !gfs |
| 01:23.03 | dpkg | i heard gfs is The Global File System (GFS): it allows multiple Linux machines to share storage devices over a network. See http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/gfs/ or http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ |
| 01:23.08 | octoserver | im reinstalling alsa-utils now, but i already had it installed and cant find alsaconf |
| 01:23.19 | adb | !alsaconf |
| 01:23.19 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. |
| 01:23.20 | abrotman | dpkg: gfs is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_File_System |
| 01:23.20 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
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| 01:25.00 | adb | abrotman: please add some comments about obsolete alsaconf in newer alsa-utils |
| 01:25.24 | adb | obsolete /missing |
| 01:26.21 | octoserver | yes, i ran alsamixergui and i dont have a sound card in there |
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| 01:26.29 | octoserver | why doesnt alsa see it ? |
| 01:27.01 | abrotman | adb: got a link ? |
| 01:27.20 | abrotman | adb: it's not obsolete in lenny i don't think .. |
| 01:27.54 | adb | no in lenny , in testing/sid |
| 01:28.41 | adb | judd: versions alsa-utils |
| 01:28.41 | judd | adb: alsa-utils -- etch: 1.0.13-2 lenny: 1.0.16-2 sid: 1.0.19-2 squeeze: 1.0.19-2 |
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| 01:29.07 | octoserver | does it make sense that i cant see it in alsamixer, but in kmixer it is there ? |
| 01:30.25 | plain | in order to use vserver i'd have to downgrade my kernel, is that a good idea? |
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| 01:32.15 | octoserver | i wish alsaconf still existed lol |
| 01:32.18 | abrotman | adb: to be fair .. it's in the NEWS file |
| 01:32.49 | abrotman | adb: and the factoid already says it's been removed |
| 01:32.49 | adb | was discussed in #debian-devel |
| 01:33.14 | abrotman | adb: reread the alsaconf factoid .. see the bit about 1.0.17 |
| 01:33.28 | adb | ah, sorry than |
| 01:33.43 | abrotman | adb: and it is in the NEWS file |
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| 01:37.13 | linuxluser | cafuego: do you know of something like apt-zip, but can reference new specified packages? apt-zip can only handle upgrades atm, not explicit apt-get install's |
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| 01:39.54 | maf54 | "Secure Connection Failed |
| 01:39.55 | maf54 | mail.yahoo.com uses an invalid security certificate. |
| 01:39.58 | maf54 | The certificate is only valid for login.yahoo.com |
| 01:40.02 | maf54 | (Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain) |
| 01:40.05 | maf54 | " |
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| 01:40.12 | maf54 | ive been having this problem alot lately |
| 01:40.14 | maf54 | wtf |
| 01:40.33 | maf54 | not just with yahoo mail, btw |
| 01:40.50 | Wicked | *cough*man in the middle*cough* |
| 01:40.51 | Stanlin1 | Help! how to compile a LIVE cd with debian? |
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| 01:41.10 | maf54 | Wicked: :| |
| 01:41.40 | Wicked | most likely not. |
| 01:41.43 | enouf | !live |
| 01:41.43 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). |
| 01:41.44 | maf54 | yeah |
| 01:41.47 | maf54 | so |
| 01:42.03 | Stanlin1 | thank you enoug |
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| 01:43.27 | maf54 | so, anyone know? |
| 01:43.41 | octoserver | ok i got my sound baaaaaack |
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| 01:44.10 | octoserver | im not sure what it was, but i unplugged my webcam and restarted debian again |
| 01:44.46 | octoserver | ill have to play more with it as earlier i also unplugged a usb to telephone adapter that i was using with skype |
| 01:45.07 | octoserver | so it seems it is not alsa, but some sort of conflict |
| 01:45.19 | octoserver | maybe even resource conflict ? |
| 01:45.45 | octoserver | the kernel saw it with no prob before it seemed, so i have no idea |
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| 01:46.32 | MichelFX | somebody use FWBuilder (Firewall Builder? |
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| 01:47.19 | Jalapan | hello, all my users in /home/ have disapered, and when i boot i get some message about entering mainentance mode... what could be wrong :o? |
| 01:47.46 | cafuego | Busted filesystem. Read the bootup messages, they will tell you. |
| 01:47.54 | cafuego | df -h |
| 01:48.15 | cafuego | grr |
| 01:48.26 | abrotman | repositions cafuego's mouse |
| 01:48.51 | cafuego | mouse? |
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| 01:49.13 | cafuego | abrotman: Alt-F3 instead of Alt-F2 |
| 01:49.18 | Jalapan | cafuego http://pastebin.com/m2548f73f |
| 01:49.29 | Jalapan | i cant see anything wrong :o |
| 01:49.43 | wastrel | how about /home is not mounted? |
| 01:50.11 | Jalapan | oh thats right, some gigs are missing |
| 01:50.14 | abrotman | cafuego: ah .. whoops |
| 01:50.16 | Jalapan | what could i do ? |
| 01:50.20 | wastrel | check boot messages, like the man said |
| 01:50.23 | cafuego | Jalapan: Oh that was me typing into thre wrong window |
| 01:50.26 | wastrel | also check fstab |
| 01:50.39 | cafuego | Jalapan: Just for kicks, try 'mount /home' |
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| 01:51.13 | Jalapan | i got this cafuego http://pastebin.com/m4245ee22 |
| 01:51.53 | cafuego | linuxluser: I believe apt-get might have a --print-uris option that will print the IRls to the package files it would get. |
| 01:52.15 | Jalapan | wastrel what is fstab? |
| 01:52.17 | abrotman | cafuego: wouldn't it be easier to use screen? |
| 01:52.23 | maf54 | [20:39] < maf54> "Secure Connection Failed |
| 01:52.23 | maf54 | [20:39] < maf54> mail.yahoo.com uses an invalid security certificate. |
| 01:52.23 | maf54 | [20:39] < maf54> The certificate is only valid for login.yahoo.com |
| 01:52.23 | maf54 | [20:40] < maf54> (Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain) |
| 01:52.23 | maf54 | [20:40] < maf54> " |
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| 01:52.39 | maf54 | wheee |
| 01:52.43 | cafuego | abrotman: not without interrupting rsync |
| 01:52.54 | abrotman | cafuego: retty? |
| 01:53.10 | cafuego | abrotman: que? |
| 01:53.18 | abrotman | maf54: do you have brain damage or were you trying ot show us something? |
| 01:53.24 | cafuego | Jalapan: /home is busted. You probably need to run fsck on it. |
| 01:53.28 | abrotman | judd: info retty --version lenny |
| 01:53.29 | judd | abrotman: (info ) -- Output brief info about a package. Usage: "info packagename [--arch i386] [--release etch]" |
| 01:53.35 | maf54 | abrotman: ... show u something |
| 01:53.37 | abrotman | judd: info retty --release lenny |
| 01:53.38 | judd | abrotman: retty (utils): is extra; Version: 1.0-2; Size: 9.6k; Installed: 68k -- attach processes running on other terminals |
| 01:53.43 | Jalapan | cafuego how do i do that is there a manual somewhere |
| 01:53.53 | abrotman | !tell maf54 about paste |
| 01:53.59 | cafuego | Jalapan: grep home /etc/fstab |
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| 01:54.18 | maf54 | !isawwhenthebotkickedmesmartass |
| 01:54.45 | abrotman | but not the topic or the guidelines apparently |
| 01:54.50 | Jalapan | cafuego http://pastebin.com/me2f16bc ... |
| 01:54.58 | maf54 | nah, im fuckign lazy |
| 01:54.59 | Jalapan | and im curious how could /home/ get busted ? |
| 01:55.02 | maf54 | i didnt read that |
| 01:55.51 | cafuego | Jalapan: maybe a crash or an unclean shutdown. or a problem that happened earlier but was only detected by a forced fsck. |
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| 01:56.40 | cafuego | Jalapan: Anyway. e2fsck -p -v /dev/hda9 |
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| 01:57.46 | Jalapan | cafuego here's the result http://pastebin.ca/1404327 |
| 01:58.24 | cafuego | Jalapan: Do you have backups? |
| 01:58.28 | Jalapan | no :( |
| 01:58.35 | cafuego | Jalapan: ... because I feat your harddisk is broken. |
| 01:58.42 | Jalapan | sighs |
| 01:58.55 | cafuego | Well. |
| 01:59.18 | cafuego | Most likely the HDD. It could also be the IDE cable or the controller, but that seems less likely. |
| 02:00.00 | Jalapan | is there a way to check the HDD |
| 02:00.32 | maf54 | http://paste.debian.net/34493/ |
| 02:00.37 | maf54 | plz2halp |
| 02:00.54 | abrotman | is too lazy to read |
| 02:01.08 | maf54 | you probably dont know anyways, fucktard |
| 02:01.16 | enouf | ... |
| 02:01.28 | cafuego | Jalapan: You could use the badblocks tool to check the disk; also if SMART is enabled you could use smartctl to youry the disk firmware. |
| 02:01.29 | enouf | maf54: cold pasting sucks ass |
| 02:01.50 | maf54 | enouf: cold pasting? |
| 02:02.01 | Jalapan | cafuego i got no experience in such tools, where do i start :(? |
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| 02:02.03 | cafuego | wonders why a machine that worked fine yesterday now does not output a video signal. |
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| 02:02.14 | abrotman | maf54: please do not call people names |
| 02:02.28 | cafuego | Jalapan: They all come with manual pages; you could also give google a go. |
| 02:03.50 | Jalapan | cafuego i dont have smart |
| 02:03.54 | Jalapan | what is the badblocks tool |
| 02:04.15 | enouf | even man mkreiserfs has info about using badblocks |
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| 02:04.31 | cafuego | You can install smartmontools; badblocks does a low level check to see if the disk is actually broken. |
| 02:05.07 | enouf | your HDD manufacturer even has diag tools |
| 02:05.26 | Jalapan | cafuego apt-get smartmontools ? |
| 02:05.28 | cafuego | enouf: reiserfs breaks because of reiserfs, not because of disk hardware <heh> |
| 02:05.40 | cafuego | Jalapan: apt-get install smartmontools |
| 02:05.54 | enouf | badblocks tries to find bad sectors on the disk and mark then as such |
| 02:06.45 | enouf | no HDD has all good sectors .. even brand new |
| 02:07.56 | cafuego | but mostly the disk firmware just takes car of not using the bad sectors |
| 02:08.10 | simNIX | mostly = that suficient ? |
| 02:08.18 | cafuego | well |
| 02:08.31 | Jalapan | what is the command cafuego for smartctl i dont understand the manual completly |
| 02:08.34 | cafuego | once additional sectors go bad and the firmware runs out of spares... |
| 02:08.42 | cafuego | Jalapan: smartctl -a /dev/hda |
| 02:09.08 | simNIX | cafuego, enouf sugests a way to test if thats the case ... |
| 02:09.13 | Wyzard | If you ever see bad sectors on a modern hard drive with badblocks, even a few, it means that the drive has already internally remapped so many that it ran out of spare sectors |
| 02:09.29 | enouf | the firmware is designed via the manu to locate and mark those bad sectors |
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| 02:09.40 | Jalapan | anything else cafuego ? |
| 02:09.42 | Jalapan | after it |
| 02:09.47 | cafuego | Jalapan: return |
| 02:09.51 | Jalapan | i did |
| 02:09.57 | Jalapan | you wnat the output |
| 02:10.01 | cafuego | Jalapan: that should print a whole bunch of info about the disk. |
| 02:10.13 | cafuego | Jalapan: no, I know it has errors, I don't need smartctl to tell me also <heh> |
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| 02:10.30 | Jalapan | so you already know its broken :P? |
| 02:10.34 | cafuego | Jalapan: Your solution is to buy a new disk. |
| 02:10.37 | cafuego | Jalapan: Yep. |
| 02:10.47 | Jalapan | heh was already browsing for a new one ^^ |
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| 02:11.00 | Jalapan | thanks alot for your help cafuego! |
| 02:11.01 | enouf | cafuego: reiserfs 3.6 has been rock solid for me across many partitions .. i have not real world production env experience with it though |
| 02:11.05 | cafuego | Jalapan: You could try running badblocks and THEN e2fsck, to see if you can recover any data. |
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| 02:11.36 | simNIX | here in past also reiser stable - no prob there - its only a killer fs on another front ... |
| 02:11.50 | Jalapan | what is the badblocks command |
| 02:11.57 | Jalapan | there's so many options i dont know wich one im interested in |
| 02:11.59 | enouf | rtfm |
| 02:12.09 | simNIX | my thoughts also .. |
| 02:12.13 | enouf | and see the man page i mentioned |
| 02:12.35 | enouf | (you might not have that installed though) |
| 02:12.36 | cafuego | Jalapan: The sweet spot price wise (cost per GB) is about 1TB for SATA disks. |
| 02:12.43 | Jalapan | its a ATA |
| 02:12.44 | Jalapan | :( |
| 02:13.01 | cafuego | Jalapan: Do you have SATA connectors on the mobo? |
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| 02:13.21 | Jalapan | will check, however i doubt it .. heh its an really old server |
| 02:13.22 | enouf | Jalapan: sata is ata and ide also ;-) |
| 02:13.27 | Jalapan | P3 katmai |
| 02:13.28 | Jalapan | oh.. |
| 02:13.33 | cafuego | P3? Then no. |
| 02:13.41 | enouf | Jalapan: p2 here - deschutes 350 |
| 02:13.55 | enouf | 82801 or ... |
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| 02:14.25 | simNIX | Jalapan, PCI card to expand to sata2 (or whats newest SATA ?) wil realy speed up your machine - so much is read and writen to/from disk that doubling that realy helps on a botleneck |
| 02:14.31 | Jalapan | there are no sata connectors |
| 02:14.37 | enouf | not worth an expansion card |
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| 02:14.42 | simNIX | not ? |
| 02:14.46 | enouf | get new mobo+cpu+ram |
| 02:14.49 | Jalapan | hehe |
| 02:14.56 | simNIX | 300M agains 133 M |
| 02:14.58 | simNIX | oow |
| 02:15.01 | enouf | ddr2 is dirt cheap |
| 02:15.02 | simNIX | yeah - hehe |
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| 02:15.16 | enouf | new disks are cheap per GB and can be moved |
| 02:15.20 | cafuego | I have a spare Quad P3 with 5x18G scsi drives (hw raid) |
| 02:15.23 | simNIX | here board + cpu second hand + cpu cooler cost me 20 euro |
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| 02:15.33 | Jalapan | the computer is a ibm from '99 |
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| 02:15.40 | simNIX | has sata2 |
| 02:15.42 | Jalapan | its not worth to upgrade |
| 02:15.51 | simNIX | aha |
| 02:16.00 | Jalapan | its a desktop model aswell |
| 02:16.04 | Jalapan | so i need new chassis and all |
| 02:16.24 | cafuego | Jalapan: well, a new 80G IDE disk is cheap enough |
| 02:16.31 | Jalapan | yup |
| 02:16.34 | cafuego | though, get 2 and use raid1 - please :-) |
| 02:16.35 | Jalapan | or a new server =) |
| 02:16.38 | Jalapan | HP ProLiant ML110 G5 Xeon 3065 |
| 02:16.38 | Jalapan | 1GB, 250GB SATA, DVD |
| 02:16.40 | Jalapan | wouldnt be so bad |
| 02:16.44 | simNIX | its worth it - round 3Ghz cpu + mobo + cpu cooler I got for 20 euro |
| 02:16.44 | enouf | Jalapan: i use 8.4GB - 80GB HDDs in my p2 |
| 02:16.55 | simNIX | + 40 for power suply |
| 02:17.04 | cafuego | Jalapan: For a home server I wouldn't be wasting money on branded pre-built boxes. |
| 02:17.09 | simNIX | all I need to get still is ram |
| 02:17.13 | Jalapan | i guess not |
| 02:17.24 | Jalapan | it will be working with a new HDD so.. |
| 02:17.38 | enouf | builds/assembles himself from components bought on sale |
| 02:17.44 | cafuego | Jalapan: I just got a new Q8200 with 3x500GiB 2 days ago |
| 02:18.00 | cafuego | I best that cost me less than that proliant. |
| 02:18.02 | Jalapan | price ? |
| 02:18.11 | simNIX | if I had budget enough I would also for al my pcs |
| 02:18.15 | cafuego | Around AUD900 |
| 02:18.41 | Jalapan | 80 for a new 250GB ATA hdd wtf |
| 02:18.58 | simNIX | here les the 100 euro 1T |
| 02:19.03 | simNIX | *then |
| 02:19.04 | enouf | same for SDRAM :-P |
| 02:19.25 | enouf | i have a p4 that even uses RIMMs.. ugh |
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| 02:19.45 | Jalapan | why would it be so expensive with a freaking ATA-100 ??? |
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| 02:19.49 | simNIX | pricy to add on .. |
| 02:20.03 | simNIX | Jalapan, becouse there selling from stock |
| 02:20.06 | enouf | Jalapan: merch - moving many pieces is cheaper |
| 02:20.10 | simNIX | al new ones rolling out are sata |
| 02:20.18 | Jalapan | yeah i know |
| 02:20.25 | Jalapan | but i dont have sata connectors ^^ |
| 02:20.34 | simNIX | I have some prob4 ddr1 |
| 02:20.37 | enouf | so stop looking at sata drives |
| 02:20.41 | Jalapan | im not |
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| 02:20.53 | enouf | your PCI Bus can only do udma4 tops anyway |
| 02:20.57 | cafuego | Jalapan: A PCI sata card plus a SATA disk will be cheaper than a single PATA disk. |
| 02:21.06 | enouf | and is easily saturated with many disks |
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| 02:21.21 | Jalapan | enouf i dont know what that means hehe |
| 02:21.33 | Jalapan | cafuego ill look into it |
| 02:21.38 | enouf | the advantage of a PCI addin card + sata disk is you can keep/reuse the sata disk |
| 02:21.42 | simNIX | slow if many hds on one card is what I get from enouf |
| 02:21.49 | enouf | but cheap PCI stat cards suck ass |
| 02:22.04 | jetscreamer | i just got an old p4 with rimms |
| 02:22.05 | enouf | er s/stat/addon |
| 02:22.09 | cafuego | enouf: Not unlike 10 year old IDE controllers ;-) |
| 02:22.10 | jetscreamer | it has a whole 128mb |
| 02:22.15 | enouf | right |
| 02:22.30 | enouf | 4 slots - 2RIMMS + 2CRIMMS .. ugh |
| 02:22.38 | jetscreamer | found some used mem online for like 20 a stick, 256mb each |
| 02:22.45 | jetscreamer | didn't get any |
| 02:22.57 | Jalapan | http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=327770 <- thats an pci sata card right |
| 02:23.29 | jetscreamer | what's a crimm... the blank placeholder? |
| 02:23.29 | enouf | cafuego: no, i mean support for them is flakey .. especially the way older buggy BIOSes are |
| 02:23.29 | cafuego | enouf: if the choice is $LOTS on a single pata disk or $LESS on a PCI sata card + disk, then I know what I'd do. |
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| 02:23.29 | enouf | jetscreamer: yes |
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| 02:23.29 | enouf | jetscreamer: you need to complete the circuit |
| 02:23.30 | jetscreamer | yeah mine has that too |
| 02:23.36 | abrotman | guesses he didn't want help that badly ... |
| 02:23.49 | jetscreamer | yeah i remembered after i took it out and said.. 'there's no mem on this stick' |
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| 02:24.08 | cafuego | enouf: There is that, but then if you get shitty with it and buy a new mobo all you wasted is $15 on the controller. |
| 02:24.13 | enouf | cafuego: well IDE/PATA disks can alos be reused/moved ;-) |
| 02:24.34 | enouf | cafuego: toss it into a usb enclosure or something |
| 02:24.39 | enouf | even |
| 02:24.41 | cafuego | enouf: Not much in the way of PATA on current mobos though. One controller if you're lucky. |
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| 02:24.51 | jetscreamer | i need a itb disk... i'm out of room with my 200/300/80/160 |
| 02:24.57 | jetscreamer | 1tb |
| 02:25.00 | enouf | right - that's all you need cafuego ;-) |
| 02:25.05 | simNIX | enouf, I tend to move them to usb enclosures for backing up to |
| 02:25.15 | jetscreamer | i have an addin pata controller |
| 02:25.19 | cafuego | enouf: Depends on whether you have 6 DVD writers ;-) |
| 02:25.25 | jetscreamer | 20 bucks, sii works great win or lin |
| 02:25.31 | enouf | although i loathe usb - and eSata seems the way .. oh well |
| 02:25.45 | jetscreamer | cept for the damn buggy kernel+udev |
| 02:25.52 | jetscreamer | works great w/o udev rather |
| 02:25.59 | simNIX | im on a budget and for backups speed not that big an isseu here |
| 02:26.03 | enouf | jetscreamer: nice - yes there are some that just work - i think the VIA chipset ones are/were an issue |
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| 02:26.12 | enouf | jetscreamer: eww |
| 02:26.18 | simNIX | ill keep an eye out for esata |
| 02:26.19 | Wyzard | enouf: Get an eSATA+USB combo enclosure... eSATA preferred, USB as a fallback if you need to use the drive somewhere else that doesn't have eSATA |
| 02:26.19 | enouf | jetscreamer: you use yaird? |
| 02:26.22 | cafuego | Oh hello! |
| 02:26.28 | cafuego | stabs the scheduler |
| 02:26.33 | jetscreamer | if i take udev out i use yaird and gamin |
| 02:26.44 | jetscreamer | since so much depends on fam also |
| 02:26.54 | cafuego | Please to not be locking cpu cores. |
| 02:26.57 | enouf | fam/famd? really .. ugh |
| 02:27.05 | enouf | not here |
| 02:27.14 | enouf | i wiped that shit sometime back |
| 02:27.16 | jetscreamer | anything gnome seems to want fam |
| 02:27.24 | abrotman | cafuego: you didn't enter the correct license key |
| 02:27.30 | maf54 | can someone help me with this? http://paste.debian.net/34493/ |
| 02:27.34 | enouf | oh .. no gnome here ;-0 ..some gtk things |
| 02:27.46 | enouf | maf54: not until you explain a bit |
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| 02:27.49 | cafuego | abrotman: LINUS-SAYSI-CANDO-THIS! |
| 02:27.52 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:28.01 | simNIX | maf54, I think if you definne this then more people maybe desite I may have a look ... |
| 02:28.22 | Wyzard | maf54: That means what it says... the remote server used an SSL certificate with the wrong domain name on it |
| 02:28.32 | cafuego | rite, rsync all done; i need to shut down and shuffle some disks around. |
| 02:28.37 | enouf | maf54: we're all volunteers - help us help you |
| 02:28.54 | maf54 | enouf: well, there's just not much to explain. thats what firefox says. i get that often |
| 02:29.02 | jetscreamer | atm i have no linux available cept kanotix ... i changed computers, have the addin controller card installed, and my debian on pata :/ |
| 02:29.09 | enouf | maf54: try .. |
| 02:29.13 | enouf | that's all we ask |
| 02:29.14 | maf54 | Wyzard: yeah, but i think its me |
| 02:29.17 | Wyzard | maf54: It's a problem with Yahoo, not with your computer |
| 02:29.27 | maf54 | idk... |
| 02:29.51 | maf54 | i get that with most https |
| 02:30.02 | jetscreamer | hey anybody used gparted lately? is it buggy still? i need to resize a partition |
| 02:30.08 | maf54 | enouf: but i dotn know what else to tell you, heh |
| 02:30.12 | maf54 | **dont |
| 02:30.15 | enouf | jetscreamer: have you successfully built and use .29 debian kernel + nvrun ? |
| 02:30.18 | enouf | yet |
| 02:30.30 | jetscreamer | enouf: yeah i had to compile the kernel myself though |
| 02:30.37 | Wyzard | maf54: An SSL certificate has a domain name encoded into it, the domain that it's supposed to be used with... your browser checks that the name on the certificate matches the domain it's trying to load |
| 02:30.51 | enouf | jetscreamer: wait .. the more recent ones should be better .. you mean gnu or gnome parted? |
| 02:30.58 | simNIX | jetscreamer, I had good success with disk images on G$U and I also use clonezilla |
| 02:31.00 | enouf | jetscreamer: i used parted recently |
| 02:31.13 | Wyzard | maf54: That's how it verifies that the site is really who it claims to be (on the assumption that a trustworthy CA will only issue certificates with a given domain name on them after verifying that the recipient really does own that domain) |
| 02:31.15 | simNIX | *g4U |
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| 02:31.29 | abrotman | the URL being used might be helpful |
| 02:31.30 | Wyzard | maf54: Yahoo has their webserver misconfigured so that it uses an inappropriate certificate |
| 02:31.32 | jetscreamer | enouf: i don't know.. which do you recommend? i used the parted livecd last time.. whichever one that is.. >1 year ago though |
| 02:31.33 | enouf | jetscreamer: ugh ... so, did you use debian source for kernel? or kernel.org? |
| 02:31.43 | jetscreamer | enouf: debian source |
| 02:31.50 | enouf | jetscreamer: i mean the CLI tool - parted |
| 02:31.53 | enouf | jetscreamer: ok |
| 02:32.07 | enouf | and sfdisk is also great |
| 02:32.19 | jetscreamer | sfdisk for resizing partitions? |
| 02:32.28 | jetscreamer | on an sata drive? |
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| 02:32.33 | enouf | jetscreamer: well ,, you can easily, yes .. |
| 02:32.33 | Jalapan | enouf cafuego thanks alot for your help.. see you another day ^^ |
| 02:32.43 | enouf | Jalapan: no prob |
| 02:33.02 | jetscreamer | k i'll check it out |
| 02:33.07 | enouf | Jalapan: but for ex; parted /dev/hdc ; unit B ; print |
| 02:33.10 | jetscreamer | defrag well first eh |
| 02:33.16 | enouf | shows partitons in BYTES |
| 02:33.28 | enouf | 'quit' to exit |
| 02:33.34 | jetscreamer | oh i need to rezise ntfs btw |
| 02:33.47 | jetscreamer | damn hp |
| 02:33.53 | Wyzard | hey, cool, 2.6.26 is finally the default now in sid |
| 02:33.55 | enouf | so, when i create new ones - i know the exact BYTE Start/End |
| 02:33.57 | Wyzard | err, 2.6.29 |
| 02:34.04 | enouf | heh Wyzard |
| 02:35.20 | Wyzard | though I discovered today that my laptop's suspend/resume has stopped working... dunno if that's 2.6.29 or the intel driver |
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| 02:36.03 | enouf | jetscreamer: gah .. but i recently wiped hda2 (MSDOS Ext'd) , hda5 (Logical), and hda1 - and made hda1 a bit smaller, mkreiserfs on it and tranfered / FS to it from an older HDD (hda2 is swap now) - all using parted - and mkreiserfs, but i also have only 4 Primary partitions now |
| 02:36.14 | stdisease | Wyzard: I think there was a user the other day with the same problem |
| 02:36.37 | enouf | jetscreamer: but hda3 and hda4 are/were Primary and i needed to know there Start/End precisely |
| 02:36.43 | enouf | and i kept them |
| 02:36.57 | enouf | s/there/their/ |
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| 02:38.03 | jetscreamer | i don't do anything but primary |
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| 02:38.28 | jetscreamer | once i wanted to delete part3 and it had extended in part4 |
| 02:38.36 | cafuego | Aaah that's so much better. |
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| 02:39.54 | AcerSucks | quick question, how do you look up the stored wep codes in knetworkmanager |
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| 02:40.48 | cafuego | enouf: I stick LVM on *everything* these days. |
| 02:41.10 | cafuego | enouf: Not having to deal with partition crap is just great. |
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| 02:43.55 | enouf | cafuego: understood |
| 02:44.15 | cafuego | and since ext3 does online resize .. :-) |
| 02:44.24 | enouf | cafuego: anything with MSDOS beginnings is not to be tolerated ;-) |
| 02:44.29 | cafuego | heh |
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| 02:44.43 | cafuego | enouf: Like the ia32 architecture |
| 02:44.49 | jetscreamer | liked dos |
| 02:44.55 | enouf | that too |
| 02:45.07 | enouf | well - even IBM and AT&T |
| 02:45.31 | jetscreamer | i was pissed when they came out with windows and quit making dos stuff |
| 02:45.47 | enouf | jetscreamer: i was really talking about Ext'd + Logicals as a workaround |
| 02:46.11 | enouf | jetscreamer: but the DOS shell even sucked real smelly ass compared to others |
| 02:46.21 | jetscreamer | wish i'da found linux earlier |
| 02:46.27 | enouf | too |
| 02:46.30 | jetscreamer | i loved dosshell |
| 02:46.38 | jetscreamer | if you mean that dos program |
| 02:46.46 | jetscreamer | the file manager |
| 02:46.51 | enouf | without DOSKey /insert in autoexec.bat - forget it |
| 02:46.57 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 02:46.59 | AcerSucks | jetscreamer: I wish I'd have started playing with unix when I was 3 and not dos |
| 02:47.15 | simNIX | ditto |
| 02:47.18 | AcerSucks | in fact, I wish when my rents bought our first computer, that it had been a mac instead of a packard bell |
| 02:47.22 | AcerSucks | well |
| 02:47.28 | AcerSucks | by first I mean windows 95 |
| 02:47.29 | jetscreamer | they had dos2.0 when my old man got a trash80 |
| 02:47.32 | cafuego | Whiny bitches. |
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| 02:47.36 | enouf | jetscreamer: the debug program was useful for tracking down video card info |
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| 02:47.46 | cafuego | When I was 3 there were no computers smaller than houses. |
| 02:47.52 | enouf | heh |
| 02:47.56 | cafuego | You kids these days have it way too good. |
| 02:48.09 | AcerSucks | do either of you guys know how to recover a wep code from knetworkmanager when you're not in the vicinity of that network |
| 02:48.12 | jetscreamer | enouf: i liked debug g=c800:5 ... lowlevel format rll drives |
| 02:48.14 | enouf | and i'm the one who shakes his cane at stoned :-P |
| 02:48.18 | abrotman | AcerSucks: did you try #kde ? |
| 02:48.22 | cafuego | Now go clean out the gravel pit or I'll trash you with the whip again. |
| 02:48.22 | AcerSucks | no |
| 02:48.23 | AcerSucks | not yet |
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| 02:48.45 | simNIX | cafuego, maybe on posibilitiet for getting info and such, but for the rest im not sure all have it good ... |
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| 02:48.57 | jetscreamer | AcerSucks: it's under ~/.kde somewhere probably ... or ~/.networkmanager if there is one |
| 02:49.00 | cafuego | enouf: if i shake my cane the colostomy bag falls out ;-) |
| 02:49.08 | enouf | jetscreamer: yeah ... a bit before i was totally into computers - more music w/some midi in the early 90s was avou ti till 99 |
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| 02:49.37 | AcerSucks | thanks |
| 02:49.42 | cafuego | simNIX: In the developed world, they all do. |
| 02:50.05 | simNIX | not |
| 02:50.05 | jetscreamer | cafuego: when i first started compuer science, they had mainframes, timesharing, tty's and papertape/punch cards |
| 02:50.14 | jetscreamer | and BASIC!!! |
| 02:50.42 | jetscreamer | my colostomy bag has shit in it older than you :) |
| 02:50.48 | cafuego | heh |
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| 02:51.17 | Wyzard | I'm not quite that old, but I got started programming with QBasic in DOS |
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| 02:51.44 | stdisease | I started with C, with Windows 98... |
| 02:51.46 | Wyzard | discovered the concept of data structures while reading the source code to the Nibbles game :-) |
| 02:51.55 | jetscreamer | hell all i ever did was play star trek on the tty though |
| 02:52.00 | simNIX | if then else goto - yes was nice then |
| 02:52.08 | abrotman | jetscreamer: spacewar ? |
| 02:52.24 | simNIX | (on qbasic) |
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| 02:53.20 | jetscreamer | abrotman: startrek (almost just like in sources even) where you run around shooting phasers and photon torpedos at klingons |
| 02:53.34 | AcerSucks | I found the networks, but not how it stores the codes |
| 02:53.37 | jetscreamer | ascii babyee |
| 02:54.24 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i was kidding .. spacewar was one of the games for the PDP-1 |
| 02:54.35 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: Was that the one that had a grid of "sectors" in the upper-right corner of the screen representing known space, and sometimes a star would go nova and you couldn't go to that sector anymore? |
| 02:54.39 | jetscreamer | and the adventure games on the old man's trash 80... once again, just like in sources .. bsdgames |
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| 02:54.51 | jetscreamer | yeah Wyzard |
| 02:54.56 | Wyzard | yeah, that was fun :-) |
| 02:55.12 | jetscreamer | and dock with the starbases to refill |
| 02:55.37 | jetscreamer | i'm still trying to make it all the way through those adventure games |
| 02:55.40 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 02:58.14 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: ever play a game called Robot Odyssey? |
| 02:59.08 | Wyzard | I learned about logic games (AND, OR, XOR, NAND, etc.) from that game, while I was in elementary school :-) |
| 03:00.05 | jetscreamer | there was a robot text game but i don't remember it much |
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| 03:00.46 | jetscreamer | qbasic had 4, the snake/worm and a robot one iirc |
| 03:01.25 | jetscreamer | i remember it because it was one of the 4 in qbasic when they came out with it |
| 03:01.34 | abrotman | Nibbles |
| 03:01.40 | Wyzard | I don't remember any QBasic robot game... there was Nibbles and Gorillas |
| 03:02.11 | abrotman | silly gorillas throwing bananas |
| 03:02.14 | jetscreamer | ah apes not robots |
| 03:02.16 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 03:04.28 | enouf | cafuego: lmao (was afk) |
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| 03:05.16 | wastrel | robots is in bsdgames |
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| 03:17.51 | etb | how do i change my locales? |
| 03:18.25 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 03:33.08 | jetscreamer | the installer offers a resize partition option doesn't it? how does that work out? bork or nobork |
| 03:33.23 | jetscreamer | ntfs |
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| 03:35.32 | jetscreamer | damn... i just moved 60gigis of data... now i've got to move it back |
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| 03:42.40 | martin_ | ls |
| 03:42.43 | martin_ | lool |
| 03:42.54 | martin_ | !audio |
| 03:42.55 | dpkg | sound is, like, ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <ac97>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts>, <devdsp>. |
| 03:43.02 | martin_ | !alsa |
| 03:43.02 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <alsa install>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:43.13 | martin_ | !alsa checklist |
| 03:43.14 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 03:47.22 | martin_ | how do I list alsa users? |
| 03:47.25 | simonrvn | !tell martin_ -about msg the bot |
| 03:47.38 | simonrvn | what is an "alsa user"? |
| 03:48.14 | martin_ | I have no idea. the bot mentioned it first. i've been msging it trying to figure out how to "see also <list alsa users>" |
| 03:48.20 | martin_ | look a few lines up, dpkg said it, not me |
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| 03:48.35 | martin_ | i'm assuming users in audio group |
| 03:48.35 | simonrvn | !list alsa users |
| 03:48.35 | dpkg | To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer |
| 03:48.47 | martin_ | i tried that, i think |
| 03:48.51 | simonrvn | ooh, i see |
| 03:48.53 | jetscreamer | see who is using alsa atm |
| 03:48.55 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 03:49.32 | jetscreamer | s/who/what/ though eh |
| 03:49.43 | martin_ | I get su / bash / ps |
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| 03:50.14 | martin_ | simonrvn: to update you on what's been going on. i magically don't have permission to my soundcard. i can aplay and alsa mixer as root |
| 03:50.17 | martin_ | not as my user |
| 03:50.41 | jetscreamer | lenny alsa borkage? |
| 03:50.49 | martin_ | yes |
| 03:50.51 | simonrvn | i guess you in audio group? also, are the device files the proper owner/group ? |
| 03:50.54 | martin_ | this is a recent install, |
| 03:51.00 | martin_ | /dev/card0? |
| 03:51.02 | jetscreamer | that's been happening for a few ppl |
| 03:51.14 | jetscreamer | i forget what the fix is... |
| 03:52.19 | martin_ | some people got it to work with the audio group |
| 03:52.40 | martin_ | /dev/audio is owned by root: audio |
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| 03:54.24 | Wyzard | martin_: The files in /dev/snd should also be root:audio, and mode 660 |
| 03:54.31 | simonrvn | yup |
| 03:54.58 | martin_ | root : audio, all are crw-rw---- |
| 03:55.02 | Wyzard | actually, /dev/audio seems to be an OSS thing so it probably doesn't matter if you're using an ALSA app |
| 03:55.19 | martin_ | what does c mean? |
| 03:55.31 | Wyzard | character device |
| 03:55.34 | martin_ | ah |
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| 03:57.34 | martin_ | ther was a card0 somewhere last night, but now i can't remember where it was |
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| 03:59.13 | jetscreamer | i keep thinking it's modprobe snd_alsa_oss or apt-get install alsa-oss .. but i dunno. |
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| 03:59.36 | Wyzard | snd-pcm-oss is the OSS emulation driver for ALSA |
| 03:59.52 | martin_ | that is loaded |
| 03:59.57 | Wyzard | but that wouldn't be related to a permissions problem |
| 04:00.08 | martin_ | not the snd_alsa_oss |
| 04:00.18 | Wyzard | There is no snd-alsa-oss |
| 04:00.23 | martin_ | ok |
| 04:00.26 | jetscreamer | i just know it seems to be a common problem lately, and i did see somebody say something as a fix, and it was modprobe or apt-get ... somehting |
| 04:00.41 | jetscreamer | but i dunno if it worked, either |
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| 04:01.20 | martin_ | jetscreamer: neither of that worked |
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| 04:02.27 | simonrvn | aptitude install linux-sound-base maybe? juts a guess. |
| 04:02.44 | Wyzard | hey, cool, the GNOME updates in sid seem to have resolved the problem that large gnome-terminal windows would cause a lag when mapped onscreen |
| 04:04.01 | martin_ | 1 not upgraded |
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| 04:13.12 | jetscreamer | my logs, if any, are on an inaccessable atm fs |
| 04:13.34 | jetscreamer | check the topic and search the logs |
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| 04:31.05 | nb9no9nr9 | evenin all |
| 04:31.54 | nb9no9nr9 | can someone tell me--how do you get kde to start from commandline? i juts upgraded to lenny and gnome wants to start |
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| 04:32.36 | nb9no9nr9 | *just |
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| 04:36.47 | JordiGH | If I didn't let dpkg overwrite my conffiles, can I still check somewhere afterwards on what conffile it would have liked to overwrite with? |
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| 04:37.31 | Manoj | JordiGH: find /etc -type f -name \*.dpkg-dist |
| 04:38.25 | JordiGH | Oh, hi Manoj. |
| 04:38.37 | JordiGH | Didn't think you'd hang out with the plebes nowadays. |
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| 04:40.00 | Manoj | JordiGH: usually this channel is too high volume for me |
| 04:40.34 | JordiGH | Thanks... I thought those were the conf files that got overwritten... i.e. I thought dpkg backed up the overwritten files, had their roles reversed in my mind. |
| 04:42.16 | Manoj | JordiGH: those are *.dpkg-old |
| 04:42.30 | Manoj | *.dpkg-dist are the new ones you did not elect to use |
| 04:42.53 | JordiGH | Oh drat. |
| 04:42.59 | JordiGH | This... this might explain a lot. |
| 04:43.16 | JordiGH | I think I overwrote the apache config when I thought I didn't. |
| 04:43.55 | JordiGH | My web server has been suffering. :-( |
| 04:45.44 | Manoj | well, so .dpkg-old contains your old config. mv the conffile to .dpkg-dist, mv .dpkg-old to the conffile, and you are back to where you were |
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| 04:46.58 | JordiGH | No, I think I made a mistake in other ways. Thankfully, I have a "backup" server that probably has the right config. |
| 04:48.08 | streuner_ | Did you install ubuntu, mistake by default? |
| 04:49.00 | JordiGH | streuner_: Uhm... |
| 04:49.05 | JordiGH | scuffles a toe in the dirt. |
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| 04:52.46 | streuner_ | JordiGH: do you live in mexico city? |
| 04:52.55 | JordiGH | sneezes on streuner_ |
| 04:53.50 | streuner_ | well, europeans are afraid about the new stuff what actually going on in .mx and US |
| 04:53.59 | JordiGH | Yes, I know. |
| 04:54.01 | jetscreamer | startkde, but use the 'session' button/thing in the gdm login screen ... even though he left... |
| 04:54.04 | JordiGH | My brother is coughing. |
| 04:54.11 | streuner_ | omg |
| 04:54.31 | jetscreamer | no, it's just me, streuner_ ... :) |
| 04:54.56 | JordiGH | We're taking him tomorrow to get him tested; there were no more tests at the hospital today, and he doesn't have some of the telling symptoms.. it could be an ordinary cold. |
| 04:55.56 | JordiGH | (are we offtopic yet) |
| 04:56.39 | streuner_ | no worries :-) |
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| 04:59.36 | JordiGH | Hm, I wonder if de Icaza has blogged about this. |
| 05:00.22 | streuner_ | hm |
| 05:00.34 | JordiGH | He hasn't. |
| 05:00.46 | trnzmeta | guys: phpmyadmin has an export with stored procedures feature, but somehow the debian phpmyadmi package doesn't have this option |
| 05:00.54 | trnzmeta | is there a lib I need to get for this |
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| 05:26.24 | codebaz | debian LENNY have kde 4.2? |
| 05:27.03 | streuner_ | !kde4 |
| 05:27.03 | dpkg | kde4 is a the lastest version of the KDE desktop. It was not released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4.1 are available from http://kde4.debian.net/ KDE 4.2 should start to appear in unstable soon, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2009/03/msg00072.html <Experimental> packages are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 05:28.26 | Pishguy | dpkg:Thanks. |
| 05:28.26 | dpkg | Pishguy: bitte |
| 05:29.22 | streuner_ | dpkg, what are you? |
| 05:29.23 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
| 05:31.13 | Pishguy | dpkg: whay bitte? |
| 05:31.14 | dpkg | Pishguy: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 05:35.16 | the|herbivore | anyone an expert when it comes to udev? |
| 05:35.47 | bolt | the|herbivore: just ask your question |
| 05:36.04 | the|herbivore | i have created a local rules file within /etc/udev/rules.d/ in order to control scsi tape drive enumeration |
| 05:36.15 | the|herbivore | this works fine for say 'st0' |
| 05:36.39 | the|herbivore | but rules don;t get applied the same way to 'nst0' for example |
| 05:36.54 | the|herbivore | is this expected? |
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| 05:38.44 | jmoncayo | hello guys |
| 05:38.59 | jmoncayo | fresh 5.1 install on a hp tx1000z debian rocks |
| 05:39.00 | jmoncayo | :) |
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| 05:41.28 | jmoncayo | anyone here installed bcm4321ag with ndiswrapper? |
| 05:41.50 | streuner_ | !b43 |
| 05:41.51 | dpkg | [b43] the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <ndiswrapper> or <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:43.29 | streuner_ | ndiswrapper sucks, but just ask |
| 05:43.51 | streuner_ | in generel you need a windows driver and ndiswrapper |
| 05:43.58 | maxagaz | i have a computer at home which has a ip addres like 192.168.x.x, how can i access it from my work ? |
| 05:44.03 | maxagaz | (using ssh) |
| 05:44.10 | jmoncayo | but it says it is not supported |
| 05:44.11 | anoHito | hi streuner_ ,long time no see. |
| 05:44.13 | streuner_ | dyndns? |
| 05:44.13 | jmoncayo | :( |
| 05:44.20 | streuner_ | hi |
| 05:44.29 | manu_hack | maxagaz: probably your using a router? |
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| 05:44.41 | maxagaz | manu_hack, yes |
| 05:44.52 | streuner_ | maxagaz: and, does the router support dyndns? |
| 05:45.03 | maxagaz | streuner_, i don't know |
| 05:45.04 | manu_hack | maxagaz: then you probably need to config your router as well |
| 05:45.11 | maxagaz | streuner_, can i check it right now ? |
| 05:45.53 | maxagaz | manu_hack, to forward the port 22 to the machine 192.168.x.y ? |
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| 05:46.16 | streuner_ | forwarding is another question |
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| 05:46.32 | manu_hack | maxagaz: yes, in my place i have a fixed ip address, so after forwarding then okay |
| 05:46.37 | anoHito | can i ask a mysql problem here,it seems it's been fixed though. |
| 05:46.51 | streuner_ | you have 2 options, 1) the router itself supports dyndns or 2) you install a package out of Debian which do this for you |
| 05:46.52 | Supaplex | !fix mysql |
| 05:46.52 | dpkg | takes mysql to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 05:46.55 | manu_hack | if you don't have fixed ip you need to do something more like dyndns as streuner_ said |
| 05:47.17 | maxagaz | manu_hack, can i access the config of the router from outside the network ? |
| 05:47.43 | manu_hack | maxagaz: that I don't know, but probably not by default for security reason |
| 05:48.10 | maxagaz | manu_hack, just by knowing it's ip (192.68...) and my ip adress at home |
| 05:48.19 | maxagaz | manu_hack, ok |
| 05:48.55 | manu_hack | maxagaz: you need to check with your router |
| 05:48.55 | jmoncayo | !bcm |
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| 05:49.29 | streuner_ | jmoncayo: /msg dpkg bcm (/message bot factoid) |
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| 05:51.00 | streuner_ | according to the factoid (b43), your device isnt supported in kernels, so just use ndiswrapper |
| 05:51.22 | streuner_ | jmoncayo: laptop? |
| 05:51.43 | jmoncayo | streuner_: yep hp tx1320us |
| 05:51.52 | streuner_ | check out that |
| 05:51.55 | streuner_ | !laptops |
| 05:51.55 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <netbook>, <laptop mode>, <suspend troubleshooting>. |
| 05:52.11 | streuner_ | there are usually some good tricks and tipps there |
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| 05:53.05 | jetscreamer | gee... |
| 05:54.01 | streuner_ | hm, no entry |
| 05:54.18 | streuner_ | http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hp.html |
| 05:55.07 | jmoncayo | streuner_: thanks a lot |
| 05:55.54 | streuner_ | jmoncayo: well, i had a similar problem, used ndiswrapper and atheros itself made finally a driver which supported my NEW device |
| 05:56.08 | streuner_ | ndiswrapper was a nightmare |
| 05:57.20 | streuner_ | just use ndiswrapper and look at broadcom, they might develop a driver for this device |
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| 05:57.35 | streuner_ | !factinfo b43 |
| 05:57.35 | dpkg | b43 -- last modified at Mon Mar 2 01:15:12 2009 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@li5-248.members.linode.com; it has been requested 114 times, last by streuner_, 15m 44s ago. |
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| 05:59.24 | streuner_ | jmoncayo: and just ask #bcm-user |
| 06:00.31 | streuner_ | jmoncayo: hm, sorry, #bcm-users |
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| 06:02.55 | jmoncayo | streuner_: i did ask |
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| 06:03.03 | jmoncayo | streuner_: i found the solution anyways thanks a lot |
| 06:03.12 | jmoncayo | streuner_: hopefully it will work |
| 06:03.12 | jmoncayo | :) |
| 06:03.14 | streuner_ | what kind of solution is that? |
| 06:03.49 | jmoncayo | streuner_: ndiswrapper unfortunally |
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| 06:04.04 | streuner_ | better than nothinig, but be warned :-) |
| 06:04.26 | jmoncayo | streuner_: i know, but at least it will connect |
| 06:04.38 | streuner_ | sure |
| 06:04.38 | jmoncayo | streuner_: i know there is a native support in kernel |
| 06:05.09 | streuner_ | not for 4321, according to the factoid and - http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
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| 06:06.10 | jmoncayo | streuner_: i realized i have the 4328 |
| 06:06.11 | jmoncayo | lol |
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| 06:08.20 | streuner_ | raises his eyebrow |
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| 06:10.27 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 06:10.55 | jaovm | humm... |
| 06:11.09 | Kazuha | I've noticed that pidgin appears to be suffering from a memory leak -- is there a known memory leak in it, or one of the plugins? |
| 06:11.12 | jmoncayo | streuner_: how can i change my timezone? |
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| 06:11.52 | ryanCH_ | anyone can access the system settings/appearance in kde, how can i lock this area? |
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| 06:12.44 | streuner_ | jmoncayo: /msg dpkg timezone |
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| 06:12.56 | Kazuha | ryanCH_, O_o; and if a user changes the settings, does it effect all users? |
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| 06:13.51 | simonrvn | doubts it |
| 06:14.00 | ryanCH_ | Kazuha: only for that user |
| 06:14.09 | Kazuha | Then its not an issue. |
| 06:14.21 | ryanCH_ | but i want to lock that area from any user |
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| 06:14.40 | Kazuha | You'd need to build KDE without that ability. |
| 06:14.51 | Kazuha | Which sounds like WTMW to me. |
| 06:15.00 | ryanCH_ | ah |
| 06:15.02 | ryanCH_ | i see |
| 06:16.11 | Kazuha | Another method would be to lock the confile -- by changing its owner to (otheruser) and setting the permissions to 444. |
| 06:16.37 | Kazuha | hasn't personally done that. |
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| 06:19.47 | Kazuha | wonders why there would be a need to lock users out of the appearance options. |
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| 06:20.23 | jetscreamer | bofh baybee |
| 06:20.41 | Kazuha | *Other* than that. |
| 06:20.46 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 06:20.52 | jetscreamer | kiosk |
| 06:21.13 | Kazuha | I'd use a different WM than KDE for that. |
| 06:21.20 | Kazuha | Like FVWM. |
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| 06:21.30 | jetscreamer | actually kde has a kios package/program |
| 06:21.43 | jetscreamer | never used it |
| 06:21.51 | Kazuha | never heard of it. |
| 06:22.06 | jetscreamer | apt-cache |
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| 06:36.15 | jmoncayo | streuner_: didnt work :( |
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| 06:40.19 | JJOliver | Hi guys. I'm new to debian and want a front end for LXDE for a new scanner I just got. What is a good and light scanner front end? |
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| 06:42.58 | Manoj | has noly heard of (x)sane |
| 06:43.03 | Manoj | only, even |
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| 06:44.02 | JJOliver | Manoj: Was that for me . . . i rekognise Sane :D |
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| 06:46.58 | Manoj | JJOliver: yes. xsane - featureful graphical frontend for SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy) |
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| 06:48.01 | Manoj | this seems less light weight: eikazo - graphical frontend for SANE designed for mass-scanning |
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| 06:48.49 | JJOliver | Manoj: thanks really appreciate it. |
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| 07:07.21 | JJOliver | Hi, i got a problem with a fresh Lenny install. |
| 07:08.00 | JJOliver | I've installed 3 other desktops with LXDE but having just done an install it takes me to tty1 not to LXDE / GDM login |
| 07:08.20 | JJOliver | ctl+alt+F7 hasn't helped |
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| 07:13.16 | Supaplex | run startx from the shell |
| 07:13.37 | JJOliver | that's supaplex |
| 07:13.58 | Supaplex | no, I'm Supaplex. |
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| 07:14.42 | ameyer | here's the question: is GDM even installed? |
| 07:15.02 | JJOliver | ameyer: yeah I reallised that so I've done apt-get install gdm . . . and it wasn't |
| 07:15.12 | JJOliver | something funky with the install. All the others it did it automatically |
| 07:15.13 | Supaplex | dpkg -l xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim |
| 07:15.13 | dpkg | No packages found matching xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim |
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| 07:20.13 | deonild | anyone know if change repo's, pin packages in simplyMepis just like in Debian? |
| 07:20.53 | Supaplex | ECOMPUTE |
| 07:20.54 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 07:20.54 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 07:21.10 | Supaplex | that sentence sence makes nearly none |
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| 07:21.40 | AlexC_ | g'morning |
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| 07:21.54 | Supaplex | morning already? who authorized that?! |
| 07:22.08 | AlexC_ | for a few days now, my Lenny install has been stuck at "99% [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers]" when doing an 'apt-get update'. What could be causing this? |
| 07:23.54 | streuner_ | AlexC_: show us the whole warning/error in paste.debian.net please |
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| 07:24.10 | AlexC_ | streuner_, there is no warning/error |
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| 07:24.19 | giupy | hi all |
| 07:24.30 | streuner_ | AlexC_: no message at all? |
| 07:24.47 | AlexC_ | streuner_, no, apart from the normal ones you get when updating. I'll paste anyway, hold on |
| 07:25.08 | AlexC_ | streuner_, http://paste2.org/p/192808 |
| 07:25.11 | giupy | my boot is so slow at this point: intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 55417 usecs ...... i think about 2-3 minutes, why? what can i do ? |
| 07:26.06 | streuner_ | AlexC_: just try again later, might be an internet failure |
| 07:26.21 | AlexC_ | streuner_, hum, that is what I thought - though it has been like it for a few days now |
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| 07:27.29 | streuner_ | AlexC_: just comment volatile in sources.list, to see whats going on... |
| 07:28.11 | alfadir | interface lo does not get ip 127.0.0.1 on boot. pointers ? some apps refuse to start, setting it manualy it works.. have 'iface lo inet loopback' setting in interfaces |
| 07:28.16 | AlexC_ | streuner_, same thing, but now on security.debian.org |
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| 07:28.43 | alfadir | oh, running sid |
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| 07:30.14 | file-exists-p | where is xlock in lenny ?! |
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| 07:30.38 | streuner_ | AlexC_: deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free - try that line in sources.list |
| 07:31.00 | streuner_ | !+tell file-exists-p -about search |
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| 07:31.00 | dpkg | told file-exists-p about search. |
| 07:31.27 | file-exists-p | streuner I did apt-cache search and googled for 30min, thanks |
| 07:31.39 | AlexC_ | streuner_, same, maybe it is the deb-src lines causing it, I'll see |
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| 07:31.51 | AlexC_ | nope =\ |
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| 07:32.20 | streuner_ | AlexC_: show us your sources.list too |
| 07:32.30 | streuner_ | file-exists-p: tried vlock? |
| 07:32.44 | file-exists-p | streuner ? I am looking for xlock |
| 07:32.46 | streuner_ | file-exists-p: apt-file search xlock gives plenty of results |
| 07:32.56 | streuner_ | !find xlock |
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| 07:33.02 | AlexC_ | streuner_, http://paste2.org/p/192810 |
| 07:33.21 | file-exists-p | streuner no it does not, no package with the binary xlock. plenty of package with things only remotely related to xlock |
| 07:33.39 | file-exists-p | what amazes me is that xlock is sort of a very VERY standard piece of X app |
| 07:33.49 | file-exists-p | how comes it is not in x11-apps or something ? |
| 07:34.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xlock' (6 of 21): (/usr/bin/fvwm-menu-xlock) in x11/fvwm ;; (/usr/sbin/faxlock) in comm/hylafax-server ;; (/usr/share/menu/xlockmore) in x11/xlockmore ;; (/usr/share/menu/xlockmore-gl) in x11/xlockmore-gl ;; (/usr/share/doc/libpam-ldap/examples/pam.d/xlock) in admin/libpam-ldap ;; (/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/i486-linux/posixlock.so) in ruby/libposixlock-ruby1.8. |
| 07:34.06 | streuner_ | amset:/home/streuner# apt-file search /bin/xlock |
| 07:34.06 | streuner_ | xlockmore: /usr/bin/xlock |
| 07:34.21 | file-exists-p | root@moose:~ apt-get install xlockmore |
| 07:34.22 | file-exists-p | Reading package lists... Done |
| 07:34.22 | file-exists-p | Building dependency tree |
| 07:34.22 | file-exists-p | Reading state information... Done |
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| 07:34.43 | streuner_ | xlockmore-gl: /usr/bin/xlock |
| 07:34.57 | streuner_ | file-exists-p: not more than 3 lines here, please |
| 07:35.08 | file-exists-p | streuner, no xlock in what you suggest |
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| 07:35.17 | file-exists-p | or non-installable packages |
| 07:35.26 | streuner_ | use packages.debian.org then |
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| 07:35.32 | file-exists-p | to do what ? |
| 07:35.45 | file-exists-p | you are telling me that there is no way to install xlock simply through apt-get ? :) |
| 07:35.48 | file-exists-p | that's weird |
| 07:36.02 | streuner_ | AlexC_: hm, that sources.list looks to me ok |
| 07:36.16 | AlexC_ | streuner_, indeed, it used to work just fine. Now it has given up |
| 07:36.29 | AlexC_ | streuner_, worth trying aptitude? |
| 07:36.52 | streuner_ | AlexC_: shouldnt be an issue, try to look at the ML of security too |
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| 07:37.01 | AlexC_ | from my other Lenny installs, there are some 'apt' updates awaiting, if I use aptitude to update it - that may fix my apt issue? |
| 07:37.13 | streuner_ | i doubt that |
| 07:37.22 | streuner_ | but just try, shouldnt hurd |
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| 07:37.41 | AlexC_ | same issue =( |
| 07:37.51 | jelly-home | judd: versions xlockmore |
| 07:37.52 | judd | jelly-home: xlockmore -- sid: 1:5.27-1 |
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| 07:38.20 | streuner_ | judd, versions xlockmore-gl |
| 07:38.20 | judd | streuner_: xlockmore-gl -- sid: 1:5.27-1 |
| 07:38.32 | file-exists-p | jelly ? what am I supposed to do with that? |
| 07:38.36 | streuner_ | hm, thats why i told you to use packages.debian.org :-) |
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| 07:38.55 | jelly-home | file-exists-p: nothing, just checking if it's available in stable |
| 07:38.57 | file-exists-p | ok |
| 07:39.04 | jelly-home | file-exists-p: it's not. |
| 07:39.10 | file-exists-p | but why? why? why? |
| 07:39.24 | streuner_ | see its changelog |
| 07:39.29 | file-exists-p | that's pretty standard technology :) |
| 07:39.33 | jelly-home | file-exists-p: is xtrlock too simple for you? |
| 07:39.34 | streuner_ | at packages.debian.org |
| 07:39.41 | streuner_ | or vlock? |
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| 07:39.52 | streuner_ | !info vlock |
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| 07:39.52 | jelly-home | vlock doesn't do X |
| 07:39.56 | file-exists-p | nothing is too simple for me |
| 07:39.57 | dpkg | vlock: (Virtual Console locking program), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.2.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 07:40.02 | file-exists-p | but I want some x lock |
| 07:40.04 | file-exists-p | not console lock |
| 07:40.08 | file-exists-p | indeed |
| 07:40.13 | streuner_ | good |
| 07:40.21 | jelly-home | file-exists-p: so, xtrlock, or xscreensaver |
| 07:40.23 | streuner_ | try <simple sid backport> then |
| 07:40.41 | streuner_ | or a simple screensaver, as jelly already told you :-) |
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| 07:42.54 | file-exists-p | ahem :) |
| 07:43.06 | file-exists-p | what is the alternative to xtrlock ? (which does not hide the screen content) |
| 07:43.08 | majhool | file-exists-p: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=xlockmore here is the story |
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| 07:43.49 | file-exists-p | ho |
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| 07:43.56 | file-exists-p | so xlock is loaded with issues? |
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| 07:44.29 | streuner_ | hm, seems to me there were to many RC-bugs for lenny :-) |
| 07:44.32 | file-exists-p | Okay, the bugs are big ones |
| 07:44.32 | file-exists-p | indeed |
| 07:44.40 | file-exists-p | but, you know, man, xlock :/ |
| 07:44.43 | file-exists-p | come on |
| 07:45.00 | file-exists-p | we are not talking about some fancy gnome-kde-video-conferencing tool |
| 07:45.03 | jelly-home | file-exists-p: if noone fixes it, it won't get into next stable either |
| 07:45.13 | file-exists-p | my world is collapsing :/ |
| 07:45.18 | file-exists-p | jelly I understand |
| 07:45.22 | jelly-home | uses xscreensaver |
| 07:45.36 | majhool | better no xlock than something that's broken |
| 07:45.50 | majhool | seconds xscreensaver |
| 07:46.02 | file-exists-p | xscreensaver does not look modest |
| 07:46.12 | file-exists-p | it requires libglade |
| 07:46.14 | jelly-home | ... |
| 07:46.20 | file-exists-p | libglade does not look modest to me |
| 07:46.24 | file-exists-p | anyway |
| 07:46.27 | jelly-home | file-exists-p: install without recommends |
| 07:46.34 | file-exists-p | pardon me? |
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| 07:46.45 | file-exists-p | I install without recommend afaik |
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| 07:47.10 | file-exists-p | libglade is required |
| 07:47.18 | jelly-home | file-exists-p: ? |
| 07:47.25 | jelly-home | Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.20.3), libsm6, libx11-6, libxext6, libxinerama1, libxml2 (>= 2.6.27), libxmu6, libxpm4, libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.2.0), libxrender1, libxt6, libxxf86misc1, libxxf86vm1, xscreensaver-data |
| 07:47.34 | jelly-home | oh, so it is. |
| 07:47.35 | file-exists-p | so? |
| 07:47.39 | file-exists-p | yes |
| 07:47.45 | jelly-home | shrugs |
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| 07:47.56 | MrWax | How can I temporary freeze a screen again? |
| 07:47.59 | [M4rk0] | Hello after system upgrade my aptitude started to reporting Segmentation fault |
| 07:48.03 | MrWax | Can anyone tell me ? |
| 07:48.34 | file-exists-p | libxinerama ? for a screen locker? :) |
| 07:48.37 | majhool | file-exists-p: you can always install xlock from source |
| 07:48.39 | file-exists-p | my goodness |
| 07:49.02 | [M4rk0] | anyone? |
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| 07:49.15 | file-exists-p | majhool yes, but it seems very weird and a bit scary that in debian stable, xlock is no more |
| 07:49.16 | jelly-home | file-exists-p: that's what you get when you say xtrlock is not enough |
| 07:49.43 | file-exists-p | jelly between "I want a blank screen" and "I want to be able to play divx in open-gl in my screen saver", there was xlock |
| 07:49.51 | file-exists-p | which is no more :/ |
| 07:50.02 | Sebboh | hi. When using some window managers, cdroms are automagically mounted when they are inserted. Can I get that on the console? |
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| 07:50.15 | syntax\ | ne one using untangle here? |
| 07:50.21 | Sebboh | erm, as a standalone, without the window manager, I mean. |
| 07:50.31 | dacs | how can i grep for a variable ? eg cgrep +-w# "765" can i make it cgrep +-w# "$foo" |
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| 07:51.06 | jelly-home | dacs: sure. |
| 07:51.07 | dacs | or this will look for "$foo" which will never match |
| 07:51.27 | jelly-home | dacs: variables in "" get expanded |
| 07:51.33 | Sebboh | dacs, your shell can (and will) expand variables before sending the command line to grep. |
| 07:51.37 | majhool | dacs: '$foo' would not allow the shell to expand the variable |
| 07:51.38 | dacs | jelly-home: aha thank you |
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| 07:52.39 | AlexC_ | streuner_, still around? Mind doing an apt-config dump for me? Just want to check some values |
| 07:53.27 | dacs | jelly-home: where do i learn/read about the different betwen "" and ''? i always get confused ! |
| 07:53.39 | simonrvn | man bash |
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| 07:55.31 | [M4rk0] | Hey |
| 07:56.13 | [M4rk0] | aptitude: Segmentation fault... What to do? |
| 07:56.36 | simonrvn | dacs: don't /msg me |
| 07:56.43 | Supaplex | !blame segmentation |
| 07:56.43 | dpkg | blames scoopex and segmentation for the end of life as we know it |
| 07:56.48 | jelly-home | !bash guide |
| 07:56.53 | jelly-home | mm. |
| 07:56.56 | jelly-home | !bash intro |
| 07:57.02 | jelly-home | srsly. |
| 07:57.09 | dacs | jelly-home: i got it |
| 07:57.22 | bolt | is there a way to get whitespace showing in vim? python is annoying me |
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| 07:57.37 | Supaplex | uh showing how? |
| 07:57.43 | dacs | simonrvn: fuck ! sorry |
| 07:57.51 | simonrvn | [M4rk0]: try rm /var/lib/dpkg/available && aptitude update && dselect update |
| 07:57.56 | AlexC_ | how can I resolve apt-get stuck at Waiting for Headers 99%? |
| 07:58.02 | bolt | Supaplex: as a weird character or something. just need to see the difference between spaces and tabs and such |
| 07:58.03 | simonrvn | dacs: fuck ! you're welcome |
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| 07:58.16 | dacs | Alex: are you in gnome |
| 07:58.18 | bolt | Supaplex: colorized background, perhaps |
| 07:58.20 | Supaplex | ahh. |
| 07:58.23 | bolt | Supaplex: anything, really |
| 07:58.25 | [M4rk0] | simonrvn, Segmentation fault |
| 07:58.34 | AlexC_ | dacs, no, there is no DE |
| 07:58.46 | dacs | AlexC_: open another session and kill the processer ID |
| 07:58.53 | AlexC_ | dacs, of what? |
| 07:58.57 | Supaplex | that's more vim skill than I know. :) maybe there's a #vim hanging around |
| 07:59.04 | simonrvn | have strace installed already? do that. or try catchsegv if you don't. |
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| 07:59.07 | jelly-home | AlexC_: you can just ctrl-c and run the command again |
| 07:59.10 | dacs | AlexC_: grep for apt |
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| 07:59.19 | [M4rk0] | simonrvn, who? |
| 07:59.24 | hanibana | hey all |
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| 07:59.30 | AlexC_ | jelly-home, dacs indeed I am aware of how to close it, though that doesn't resolve the issue of not being able to update :P |
| 07:59.31 | hanibana | can an SNTP client get time from an NTP server ? |
| 07:59.40 | simonrvn | [M4rk0]: who what? |
| 07:59.44 | JJOliver | okay, so I manually installed gdm and lxde, now on boot i'm getting an error "Xsession: warning: XRDB command not found: X resources not merged." can only click Okay. Any suggestions on how to get rid of this message permantly? |
| 07:59.55 | simonrvn | hanibana: that's all it's good for. |
| 07:59.57 | jelly-home | AlexC_: find a mirror that responds, then |
| 08:00.01 | [M4rk0] | Siegfried, about strace? me or someone else? |
| 08:00.24 | dacs | AlexC_: we understand , but it could be that the rep u are using happen to be down at that moment |
| 08:00.40 | dacs | simonrvn: we cool , right?! |
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| 08:00.44 | hanibana | simonrvn: you'r right |
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| 08:00.56 | anoHito | Do i need php5-dev to install APC for etch ? APC == Alternate PHP Cache |
| 08:00.59 | [M4rk0] | simonrvn, about strace? me or someone else? |
| 08:01.04 | anoHito | it is inlucded in apt. |
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| 08:01.57 | AlexC_ | dacs, where can I get a list of repos? |
| 08:02.33 | simonrvn | [M4rk0]: yes, who else? |
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| 08:02.51 | dacs | AlexC_: what are you using? and what are you trying to do?! it all depends ! |
| 08:02.53 | [M4rk0] | i have strace |
| 08:03.12 | simonrvn | ok, so start using it ;). do you know how? |
| 08:03.17 | [M4rk0] | nope :D |
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| 08:03.41 | AlexC_ | dacs, Lenny, update using the normal repos and security + volatile. However, fyi - not even security.debian.org works, so I think the issue is further than this. No repos I try and currently working |
| 08:03.58 | AlexC_ | (yes I can ping them) |
| 08:04.23 | simonrvn | [M4rk0]: strace aptitude; then pastebin the last 20-30 lines or so |
| 08:04.35 | [M4rk0] | simonrvn, heh thanx ;) |
| 08:04.46 | dacs | AlexC_: what are you currently running ? |
| 08:04.53 | AlexC_ | dacs, Lenny, |
| 08:05.27 | dacs | AlexC_: can you use pastebin to list the error you are getting please? |
| 08:05.38 | dacs | !tell AlexC_ paste |
| 08:05.40 | AlexC_ | dacs, there is no error |
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| 08:06.08 | AlexC_ | dacs, it simply sits there at '99% [Waiting for headers]' |
| 08:06.29 | dacs | AlexC_: then you don't have a problem and i will say it is level 8 issue |
| 08:06.40 | AlexC_ | ... |
| 08:07.14 | dacs | AlexC_: you heard me , it is level 8 problem and not lenny ! |
| 08:07.35 | AlexC_ | and you're as helpful as a chocolate teapot, but that isn't helping anyone, is it |
| 08:07.39 | anoHito | hi simonrvn ,help please. |
| 08:07.59 | anoHito | I plan to install APC for etch, there is one php-apc - APC (Alternative PHP Cache) module for PHP 5 |
| 08:08.10 | anoHito | i should just apt-get install php-apc ? |
| 08:08.10 | Supaplex | hands simonrvn a cluebat for safe keeping ;) |
| 08:08.20 | simonrvn | [M4rk0]: um, you gonna paste the url here? |
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| 08:08.37 | simonrvn | anoHito: yes, and? install and enable it. |
| 08:08.46 | [M4rk0] | simonrvn, sure :) http://www.pastebin.ca/1404638 |
| 08:08.47 | anoHito | but google says first do apt-get install php5-dev then pecl install APC |
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| 08:08.52 | simonrvn | it has a web site *hint hint* |
| 08:08.56 | simonrvn | [M4rk0]: ty |
| 08:08.58 | anoHito | i mean which one |
| 08:09.04 | [M4rk0] | simonrvn, ty :D |
| 08:09.40 | dacs | AlexC_: have you checked keys |
| 08:09.50 | AlexC_ | dacs, how do I go about that? |
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| 08:10.04 | simonrvn | [M4rk0]: wtf happened to your terminal? try "reset" then try again. what debian release is this? |
| 08:10.17 | simonrvn | anoHito: yes |
| 08:10.24 | anoHito | okay. |
| 08:10.26 | simonrvn | anoHito: pecl.php.net |
| 08:10.44 | anoHito | simonrvn, Thanks. |
| 08:10.48 | dacs | !tell AlexC_ gpg |
| 08:10.52 | simonrvn | see their help. you'll need those things you mentioned, and probably other stuff |
| 08:11.09 | dacs | !tell AlexC_ about gpg |
| 08:11.30 | AlexC_ | dacs, that factoid contains no useful information |
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| 08:12.14 | dacs | AlexC_: then i don't know how to help you more, my KB is limited sorry |
| 08:12.15 | JJOliver | how do I get apt-get to list all the possible apts? |
| 08:12.21 | AlexC_ | dacs, no worries, thanks anyway |
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| 08:13.16 | AlexC_ | JJOliver, apt-get help |
| 08:13.25 | simonrvn_ | wtf |
| 08:14.00 | MrWax | How can I temporary freeze a screen again? |
| 08:14.15 | PeteB | I have a mail and Samba PDC server using Etch'n'half with 2GB RAM, 2GB swap. Every couple of days it uses up all RAM then all swap and eventually dies, freaking out with oom killer kicking in. What should I look to to diagnose it? the log is at http://pastebin.ca/1404645 |
| 08:14.27 | simonrvn_ | MrWax: "freeze"? |
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| 08:16.01 | Supaplex | MrWax: xlock ? |
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| 08:16.36 | Sebboh | MrWax, scroll lock? |
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| 08:18.32 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 08:18.38 | sobersabre | I created /etc/apt/preferences |
| 08:18.41 | sobersabre | and added this: |
| 08:18.44 | sobersabre | Package: subversion |
| 08:18.44 | sobersabre | Pin: release a=stable, version 1.5.1dfsg1-2 |
| 08:18.44 | sobersabre | Pin-Priority: 900 |
| 08:18.47 | sobersabre | hell! |
| 08:18.58 | sobersabre | I mean this: http://pastebin.com/d507304d |
| 08:19.20 | sobersabre | I'm surely doing something wrong, since apt-get upgrade is trying to upgrade it. |
| 08:19.33 | sobersabre | so, is it possible to pin release and version ? |
| 08:19.53 | sobersabre | and what prio shall I assign the package so apt doesn't upgrade it ? |
| 08:20.06 | [M4rk0] | simonrvn, its upgraded to lenny from etch :D |
| 08:22.16 | [M4rk0] | simonrvn, http://www.pastebin.ca/1404654 |
| 08:22.30 | MrWax | simonrvn: Supaplex Sebboh : yes for example that when I like to save a link in irssi without the screen scrolling more |
| 08:23.00 | majhool | MrWax: control S to pause, control Q to resume |
| 08:23.16 | sobersabre | hm... |
| 08:23.23 | sobersabre | I have to go. |
| 08:23.38 | simonrvn | MrWax: tried ^s ? or your scrollock key? |
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| 08:25.08 | Sebboh | the ctrl+s/ctrl+q flow control are no mere scrolllock.. :P |
| 08:25.30 | denethor | What was the default hashing of passwords /etc/passwd in debian (3.0) woody? Thanks. |
| 08:25.32 | MrWax | somebody talk, wanna test :) |
| 08:26.02 | denethor | was it md5 already or was it still crypt? |
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| 08:26.41 | simonrvn | . |
| 08:26.46 | Sebboh | Question: what is the right way to have xwindows apps run on one machine but display on the other machine? |
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| 08:27.11 | MrWax | works |
| 08:27.25 | Sebboh | sorry, I meant to say, what do I need to install on the machine that will be running the apps? |
| 08:27.34 | MrWax | hmm but simonrvn: when i type some other character 2 times (without having done CTRL+Q) it also continues, thats correct? |
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| 08:29.18 | denethor | Sebboh: apt-get install the xapp you need and on the client side you need at least Xorg |
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| 08:30.26 | simonrvn | MrWax: you can always scroll up/down in irssi (PgUp/PgDown) |
| 08:30.27 | denethor | and on the client you can then ssh -X account@serverwithmyxapp.org xapp |
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| 08:30.59 | [M4rk0] | simonrvn, any help :) |
| 08:31.09 | denethor | but it should be better to use -Y. Read the docs about that. |
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| 08:36.49 | Kazuha | Rather than /version 847 people, and ask those that have pidgin if they're seeing a memory leak, does anyone know if recent versions of pidgin (or any plugins in the apt (Testing) repositories has a memory leak? |
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| 08:37.50 | simonrvn | [M4rk0]: no idea. seems like an old bug. you sure it's updated correctly? also go to bugs.debian.org/aptitude look for something similar (and any workarounds) |
| 08:38.08 | [M4rk0] | okay thanks |
| 08:38.16 | simonrvn | Kazuha: could be anything ;). but i wouldn't be surprised. |
| 08:38.46 | Elrond | Who should I talk to about the new apt caregories? Either libthunar* should be in "xfce", or "libexo*" should be in libs... |
| 08:38.53 | Kazuha | I'm looking at pidgin reaching 2.3 gigs of memory usage -- easily. |
| 08:39.18 | ultra | wow |
| 08:39.22 | ultra | is that normal |
| 08:39.23 | majhool | that is crazy |
| 08:39.29 | ultra | is any of that swap? |
| 08:39.32 | Kazuha | None. |
| 08:39.34 | ultra | or is that all system |
| 08:39.35 | Elrond | s/libexo*/libxfcegui4-4/ |
| 08:39.37 | ultra | jee |
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| 08:39.40 | majhool | that is a bug |
| 08:39.49 | ultra | how many pagefaults |
| 08:39.54 | ultra | what is the memory delta |
| 08:40.00 | Kazuha | ? |
| 08:40.09 | Elrond | Kazuha - I assume you tried valgrind? |
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| 08:40.16 | Kazuha | valgrind? |
| 08:40.27 | ultra | memory delta = how many bytes are going in or out of the memory load a second |
| 08:40.34 | ultra | its an indicator of problems |
| 08:40.35 | ultra | etc |
| 08:40.40 | ultra | oh |
| 08:40.47 | ultra | hehe kazuha thought u were ? me :) |
| 08:41.12 | ultra | i've got 1.84GB of 2024MB in use |
| 08:41.31 | Kazuha | Mem: 6131512k total, 6076160k used, 55352k free, 38224k buffers |
| 08:41.31 | Kazuha | Swap: 2000084k total, 817520k used, 1182564k free, 1205384k cached |
| 08:41.37 | ultra | of DDR3-1920MHZ CAS8-8-8-24 @ Performance mode ON and 1T |
| 08:41.39 | ultra | :) |
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| 08:41.54 | Elrond | Kazuha - Run pidgin with valgrind: "valgrind pidgin ..." If pidgin exits, it will display the amount of memory leaked. And if you give some option to valgrind (it tells you which), it will tell you, what point leaked. |
| 08:41.57 | ultra | http://www.maxrender.net/dev/VH/FSB480/everest_mem_latency.jpg |
| 08:42.01 | ultra | http://www.maxrender.net/dev/VH/FSB480/everest_photoworx.jpg |
| 08:42.04 | ultra | look at that |
| 08:42.13 | anoHito | simonrvn, it does not work,i apt-get install php-apc ,after that i do php -v ,no apc info |
| 08:42.34 | ultra | isn't that amazing for a P35 chipset, and a first batch B3 stepping Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4GHZ 1066FSB 2x4MB cache (Q6600) |
| 08:42.35 | ultra | ? |
| 08:42.54 | ultra | to double the front side bus |
| 08:43.11 | ultra | and be able to run the memory at 2:1 |
| 08:43.19 | simonrvn | anoHito: did you create an ini file for it, to load the extension? |
| 08:44.00 | anoHito | hi simonrvn ,there is a file named /etc/php5/conf.d/apc.ini |
| 08:44.25 | anoHito | simonrvn, in that file,there is one line by default that is extension=apc.so |
| 08:44.59 | anoHito | simonrvn, i do dpkg -L php-apc ,says /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/apc.so |
| 08:45.01 | tarzeau | i have LENNY, and GNOME. can i make the wobbly windows? with compiz something? how does it work? |
| 08:45.06 | tarzeau | it's not in the menu where it is in ubuntu |
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| 08:45.45 | tarzeau | isn't it compiz --replace ? it keeps telling me Checking for Xgl: not present. |
| 08:46.06 | simonrvn | tarzeau: enable the composite extension in xorg.conf - google it |
| 08:46.22 | simonrvn | anoHito: what do you have in that file? |
| 08:46.26 | ultra | FS |
| 08:46.30 | ultra | http://www.maxrender.net/dev/VH/FSB480/everest_photoworx.jpg |
| 08:46.31 | ultra | er |
| 08:46.32 | ultra | sryu |
| 08:46.36 | anoHito | simonrvn, extension=apc.so |
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| 08:46.44 | ultra | .wik og |
| 08:46.51 | ultra | galileo galile! |
| 08:46.54 | ultra | where art thou |
| 08:47.00 | Kazuha | brb |
| 08:47.00 | ultra | hast thou shminux forsaken thee |
| 08:47.02 | simonrvn | anoHito: ok, so it should be working... |
| 08:47.11 | ultra | ohh sorry |
| 08:47.13 | ultra | wrong channel |
| 08:47.15 | ultra | so sorry.. |
| 08:47.16 | ultra | :/ |
| 08:47.22 | anoHito | simonrvn, but in phpinfo,no apc at all |
| 08:47.29 | anoHito | simonrvn, run php -v ,no apc at all |
| 08:47.42 | Elrond | Who should I talk to about the new apt caregories? Either libthunar* should be in "xfce", or "libxfcegui4-4" should be in libs... |
| 08:47.57 | gunkamanti | hi, i tried to remove gnokii-common, because i don't use it, and apt-get upgrade constantly reminds me it's held back. but apt-get wants to remove a bunch of other packages with it ("automatically installed, no longer required") that i'd like to keep. is there a clean way to get rid only of gnokii? |
| 08:48.01 | tarzeau | ultra: hah that's nothing: http://gnu.ethz.ch/xosview.png |
| 08:48.03 | ultra | is there an apt-get package for installing wireless card |
| 08:48.21 | ultra | tarzeau why do you gotta make me feel bad now :( |
| 08:48.25 | ultra | you know what this means right |
| 08:48.31 | simonrvn | anoHito: hold |
| 08:48.32 | ultra | i'm going to make another motherboard explode :/ |
| 08:48.38 | tarzeau | ultra: sorry :) |
| 08:48.49 | tarzeau | ultra: it's a rainy monday morning |
| 08:48.51 | ultra | is that a dual 8x xeon? |
| 08:48.53 | ultra | er |
| 08:48.57 | ultra | dual 6 core xeon |
| 08:48.58 | ultra | ? |
| 08:49.00 | Elrond | gunkamanti - "dpkg -P gnokii-common" ? (read manpage of "dpkg -P" first of course.) |
| 08:49.01 | tarzeau | ultra: 4 x quad core, 128 gb memory |
| 08:49.04 | anoHito | simonrvn, okay,seems it is the .so file is not found by debian, maybe because the path of it. |
| 08:49.09 | ultra | xeon? |
| 08:49.21 | tarzeau | ultra: Quad-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 8378 |
| 08:49.25 | ultra | ohhh |
| 08:49.27 | ultra | snazzy |
| 08:49.29 | simonrvn | anoHito: you have a conf.d symlink in /etc/php5/cli ? |
| 08:49.29 | ultra | what motherboard |
| 08:49.33 | ultra | because i'm buying it. |
| 08:49.49 | simonrvn | anoHito: if you ran it via pecl install it should find it |
| 08:49.59 | tarzeau | ultra: this one http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/computers/slides/img_0421.html |
| 08:50.01 | ultra | if you look in http://www.maxrender.net/dev/VH/FSB480/everest_photoworx.jpg |
| 08:50.11 | ultra | my setup got 42066 |
| 08:50.17 | tarzeau | ultra: is that dualscreen? |
| 08:50.19 | ultra | 43066* the 8x xeon got 20196 |
| 08:50.21 | ultra | yeah. |
| 08:50.28 | anoHito | simonrvn, in /etc/php5/cli, there i have 2 file ,they are not simplinked |
| 08:50.41 | tarzeau | ultra: looky: http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/misc/slides/img_1001.html |
| 08:50.41 | ultra | in windows vista x64 ultimate edition sp1 |
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| 08:50.48 | anoHito | simonrvn, apache conf.d |
| 08:50.51 | simonrvn | !ot |
| 08:50.51 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 08:51.01 | ultra | could i get faster speed in debian |
| 08:51.02 | ultra | do you think? |
| 08:51.13 | ultra | how is the multi-core debian support |
| 08:51.15 | simonrvn | you two are most of the traffic right now... |
| 08:51.24 | simonrvn | how about you shut up? |
| 08:51.25 | bzed | tarzeau: that background window is awesome! |
| 08:51.33 | tarzeau | ultra: great, i got amd64 debian smp on it, lenny |
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| 08:51.45 | tarzeau | bzed: it's all here http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/panorama/ |
| 08:52.01 | ultra | .. im sorry simonrvn... i am new in here I apologize.. but I was on topic |
| 08:52.13 | simonrvn | for all of 2 messages |
| 08:52.14 | bzed | tarzeau: now I want to go skiing again :( |
| 08:52.17 | simonrvn | anyway... |
| 08:52.23 | ultra | it was my preface to those questions |
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| 08:52.24 | ultra | :/ |
| 08:52.25 | simonrvn | forget it |
| 08:52.27 | ultra | anyways sorry. |
| 08:52.33 | anoHito | simonrvn, in /etc/php5, i have 2 folders, apache and conf.d |
| 08:52.48 | tarzeau | bzed: me too. apres-skiing :) |
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| 08:52.53 | simonrvn | anoHito: so wtf did you get /usr/bin/php ? |
| 08:53.20 | bzed | tarzeau: no. deep powder skiing ;) |
| 08:53.21 | anoHito | ls: /usr/bin/php: No such file or directory |
| 08:53.22 | bzed | tarzeau: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bzed/sets/72157615109092298/detail/ |
| 08:53.35 | simonrvn | anoHito: do which php |
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| 08:53.44 | simonrvn | or which php5 |
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| 08:53.56 | anoHito | simonrvn, /usr/local/bin/php |
| 08:53.58 | gunkamanti | thx Elrond |
| 08:54.46 | simonrvn | anoHito: um, and so how do you expect php to find your apc.so then? install php5-cli |
| 08:55.25 | simonrvn | phpinfo() that's probably because you did some random mod_php install. use the debian packages. |
| 08:55.26 | anoHito | simonrvn, hmm oh, and that will affect to my current php system ? |
| 08:55.50 | anoHito | yes,i recompiled php to upgarde to php 2.6.9 |
| 08:56.26 | simonrvn | 2.6.9? |
| 08:56.43 | anoHito | oops, PHP 5.2.9 (cli) (built: Apr 26 2009 10:40:03) |
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| 08:57.01 | simonrvn | and why did you have a sudden need to build it yourself? |
| 08:57.22 | Elrond | gunkamanti - and then probably go into aptitude and use "m" to mark all packages manual you wanna keep. |
| 08:57.23 | anoHito | simonrvn, i use a cpanel similiar system to get all of those stuff installed. |
| 08:57.35 | simonrvn | you can't just expect it to automagically work if you use two build and installation methods. |
| 08:57.42 | simonrvn | pick one and stick to it. |
| 08:58.00 | simonrvn | omg... cpanel... exploited box waiting to happen. |
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| 08:58.20 | ultra | tarzeau: do you mind joining #debian-offtopic i had a few more questions but I do not wish to anger any of the regulars. |
| 08:58.40 | anoHito | simonrvn, excuse me, i mean,without installing php5-cli again, can we do a trike to make apc to work properly ? |
| 08:58.58 | PeteB | is it rude of me to ask again? |
| 08:59.17 | simonrvn | PeteB: no s'ok, it flew by =) |
| 08:59.22 | PeteB | I have a mail and Samba PDC server using Etch'n'half with 2GB RAM, 2GB swap. Every couple of days it uses up all RAM then all swap and eventually dies, freaking out with oom killer kicking in. What should I look to to diagnose it? the log is at http://pastebin.ca/1404645 |
| 08:59.28 | simonrvn | anoHito: a trike? |
| 09:00.04 | simonrvn | anoHito: try putting a symlink to your apc.so into your /usr/local/lib/whereeverphpinstalled |
| 09:00.07 | PeteB | initially I was seeing many many 'imap' instances running, but recently I've stopped seeing them |
| 09:00.21 | anoHito | simonrvn, Let me try it . Thanks, man. |
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| 09:01.02 | JJOliver | hi I've just installed a new PCI USB card to my lenny computer and it appears to be non-functional |
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| 09:01.37 | simonrvn | PeteB: some reason you have upgraded to lenny yet? |
| 09:01.46 | simonrvn | PeteB: er, haven't* |
| 09:01.50 | PeteB | JJOliver: perhaps it'snot supported by the Linux kernel |
| 09:02.04 | JJOliver | PeteB: anyway I can check |
| 09:02.07 | simonrvn | or you haven't modprobed the driver |
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| 09:02.18 | beardy | Which packages do I want to install to sniff, configure, get statistics and signal strength, for a wireless nic? |
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| 09:02.48 | PeteB | simonrvn: Lenny?! I only upgraded from Sarge in March :) I follow Christop Haas's ISP-Mail Etch tutorial and he hasn't yet upgraded it for Lenny |
| 09:03.13 | JJOliver | PeteB: It is supported, i have a 2nd one in a different lenny install and it's working fine! |
| 09:03.17 | simonrvn | PeteB: erm, it shouldn't be much of a difference. |
| 09:03.55 | simonrvn | beardy: iwconfig > wireless-tools i think |
| 09:04.16 | PeteB | simonrvn: still, I'm not willing to go there yet without testing it on a test server and without the support of the community around that guide as that support's valuable |
| 09:04.26 | anoHito | simonrvn, i am going to crazy haha |
| 09:04.34 | simonrvn | understood |
| 09:04.52 | simonrvn | PeteB: you should drop them a large HINT ;). |
| 09:05.16 | anoHito | simonrvn, in /usr/local/lib, ls -l apc.so , says apc.so -> /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/apc.so , restarted apache,apc not found. |
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| 09:05.48 | PeteB | simonrvn: it's being discussed and worked on currently. (It took him a _long_ time to upgrade it for Etch, I don't think it'll be like that with Lenny) |
| 09:05.51 | Kazuha | Back, now, how do I read the leak summary? |
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| 09:06.45 | themill | judd versions php-apc |
| 09:06.46 | judd | themill: php-apc -- etch-backports: 3.0.19-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 3.0.19-2 sid: 3.0.19-2 squeeze: 3.0.19-2 |
| 09:06.49 | simonrvn | anoHito: is that where your php installed stuff to? BTW, we don't really support third-party installs like this. you do that sort of thing if you know what you're doing. even then, one can hardly beat the practicality of having packages. |
| 09:07.33 | Kazuha | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.27 | themill | Kazuha: on some of the embedded devices I work with that have 2k memory, yes. On my desktop with 2GB, no. (But any lost memory is bad if it's your program....) |
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| 09:09.27 | Kazuha | The point is that the program is leaking at such a rate, that after two days, its eating 2 gigs. |
| 09:10.05 | Kazuha | (I noticed this because it ran out of memory to fork Iceape.) |
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| 09:11.18 | Kazuha | And I'm only in 29 IRC channels, and a number of private chats. |
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| 09:13.04 | simonrvn | i don't get leaks like that; i don't use pidgin's irc either. |
| 09:13.07 | Kazuha | I don't think Pidgin should be eating 2.3 gigs after two days. |
| 09:13.35 | simonrvn | agreed |
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| 09:13.58 | Kazuha | Especially after I ctrl-l all the channels and chats. |
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| 09:15.06 | RoenieW | pidgin has been buggy since the day i started using it |
| 09:15.22 | Kazuha | The thing is, I'm pretty sure it wasn't leaking like this a week ago. |
| 09:15.26 | RoenieW | (it had a diff. name before) |
| 09:15.32 | Kazuha | GAIM. |
| 09:15.46 | Kazuha | I was using it since then myself. |
| 09:15.49 | RoenieW | ah yes |
| 09:15.58 | RoenieW | same here |
| 09:16.00 | mosno | RoenieW: yea they could learn from amsn |
| 09:16.08 | RoenieW | agree |
| 09:16.10 | mosno | (who aren't perfect themselves) |
| 09:16.10 | PeteB | another question... When booting with internal SCSI hard disks and a USB-attached hard disk, Linux tries to load init from the USB attached disk, despite having setup fstab to use LABEL for both. Why? |
| 09:16.37 | OpenTokix | PeteB: what does your grub say? |
| 09:16.45 | RoenieW | with openldap/samba, is it possible to "push" an administrative installation of software, like you would be able to in an active directory domain? in short, what is the correct way to do this? (force installation of software to clients logging on to the domain) |
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| 09:17.01 | mhall | I am having a problem with the DPI on my laptop. The 10 point font on the laptop looks like what 12 point looks like on all my other machines so it causes the layout on websites, my Eclipse IDE, everywhere else, to be really messed up. And I can't figure out how to fix it. The value calculated by xdpyinfo looks reasonable but it does not seem to come out looking right on the display. |
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| 09:17.10 | PeteB | OpenTokix: interesting... should GRUB also be set to use LABEL? |
| 09:17.11 | mhall | ggeecko: greed is good |
| 09:17.38 | mosno | RoenieW: i think suse did that with zenworks |
| 09:17.43 | mhall | It's really annoying when editing text as way too little fits on the screen... it defeats the purpose of the 1920x1200 screen on this 10 ton gorilla system if the fonts are all whacked out like this! :) |
| 09:17.43 | PeteB | RoenieW: I do this using WPKG. See http://thegoldenear.org/rcs/windows/3.4/ |
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| 09:18.51 | OpenTokix | PeteB: yes |
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| 09:18.57 | ultra | what are some benchmarks for linux that use multicores and 64bit that I could get through apt-get |
| 09:18.57 | OpenTokix | root=LABEL=SCSIDRIVELABEL |
| 09:19.02 | ultra | anyone have a recommendation? |
| 09:19.10 | PeteB | OpenTokix: great, thanks |
| 09:19.13 | ultra | i want to mainly test memory and cpu |
| 09:19.22 | ultra | video would be a plus. |
| 09:19.32 | Kazuha | Well, memtest86 is a good memory testing tool. |
| 09:19.33 | mhall | ultra: cpuburn? ;-) |
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| 09:19.52 | ultra | will it give me results I can somehow compare to results I can get from windows apps |
| 09:19.52 | mhall | ultra: disclaimer... it can be an outrageously dangerous tool :-D |
| 09:20.02 | ultra | like 'flops' |
| 09:20.04 | ultra | or etc? |
| 09:20.09 | ultra | standard results? |
| 09:20.14 | ultra | memory latency in ns etc |
| 09:20.24 | OpenTokix | ultra: I think everyone here have the look called "careface" |
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| 09:20.56 | ultra | ok. |
| 09:20.59 | ultra | thanks |
| 09:21.11 | ultra | bbl |
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| 09:21.49 | RoenieW | thanks PeteB, mosno |
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| 09:23.22 | RoenieW | PeteB, is there a way to manage windows policies too? i've been told there used to be, but the method doesn't work beyond win2k |
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| 09:23.56 | RoenieW | haven't really been able to find an alternative |
| 09:24.00 | mhall | OpenTokix: careface... that's a pretty obscure insult, i had to look it up in urban dictionary as it didn't make sense at first |
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| 09:26.02 | OpenTokix | mhall: =) |
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| 09:26.45 | PeteB | RoenieW: I recently bookmarked some group policy tool that sounded interesting. If you email me I'll hunt it down. I don't know the answer as I do all my Windows settings by editing the registry using a custom tool (http://thegoldenear.org/tweak/) and through the logon script and WPKG |
| 09:26.55 | mhall | tokix sounds like linux for marijuana smokers |
| 09:27.31 | OpenTokix | mhall: Something along thoose lines - I dont know- chill duuude |
| 09:27.33 | OpenTokix | hehe |
| 09:27.50 | ultra | mhall could you link me, I thought it was a bench program at first, but then I realized he was just being a superflous ass |
| 09:27.56 | mhall | i am chill... i'm not the one saying insults! |
| 09:28.09 | mhall | ultra: cpuburn has got a deb available... try packages.ubuntu.com |
| 09:28.21 | mhall | ultra: yeah that one took me a while to figure out too |
| 09:28.23 | web | è¿é没æä¸å½äººä¹ |
| 09:28.26 | web | ï¼ |
| 09:28.29 | ultra | thank you very much, i appreciate your actual response to my inquiry. |
| 09:28.44 | mhall | ultra: there is also an oldschool tool called dhrystone |
| 09:28.53 | mhall | ultra: but i dont think it's incredibly accurate |
| 09:28.56 | ultra | ah cool that sounds better |
| 09:29.10 | ultra | ah, because like that is a standard cpu measure |
| 09:29.15 | mhall | ultra: unfortunately i haven't found anything as good as what Sandra, and some of the other Windows tools can do |
| 09:29.18 | anoHito | simonrvn, i just do not get what you have just said to make a symplink hmm. |
| 09:29.36 | ootput | web: cao ni |
| 09:30.19 | ultra | yeah, like i'm gonna be comparing against SiSoft Sandra XII Professional and Lavalys Everest 5 Corporate Edition, which are both really great tools whih I was lookin for linux equivalents to, which is why I bothered to ask in here because I thought you guys if anyone would know :) |
| 09:30.25 | ultra | i didn't mean to get 'carefaced' |
| 09:30.40 | web | web: cao ni |
| 09:30.44 | mhall | ultra: there are also some standardized cad gfx benchmarks available from spec.org which i think are multiplatform |
| 09:30.49 | simonrvn | anoHito: man ln |
| 09:31.06 | mhall | ultra: those are good for measuring your GL rendering abilities |
| 09:31.19 | ultra | excellent, you have now answered all 3 of my questions |
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| 09:31.28 | anoHito | simonrvn, ln -s ,i did. it won't work,let me figure.Thanks. |
| 09:31.28 | ultra | you're officially the most helpful individual here. |
| 09:31.30 | mhall | like... does the Quadro board in this crazy laptop light on fire if i overuse it?!? heheh |
| 09:31.46 | mhall | ultra: there is also a basic disk benchmark built into hdparm |
| 09:31.52 | ultra | sweet! |
| 09:31.58 | ultra | i didnt even ask for that, but i need it |
| 09:31.59 | ultra | :) |
| 09:32.00 | mhall | ultra: it's kind of primitive but gives some idea what your disks can do |
| 09:32.14 | ultra | i run a RAID 0 array on an Intel ICH9R |
| 09:32.24 | mhall | ultra: there is some way it can be configured to do random access to confuse the cache so you get some accurate data out |
| 09:32.24 | ultra | i've never setup raid for linux |
| 09:32.30 | ultra | am i going to be in trouble? |
| 09:32.33 | simonrvn | anoHito: it isn't hard. you link the /usr/lib/phpXXXX/apc.so into wherever your local php install puts its extensions. |
| 09:32.59 | simonrvn | anoHito: i don't know where that is, you'll have to find out from what you did.... |
| 09:33.01 | mhall | ultra: i have done RAID but i only did the linux software RAID as i didn't have money for a 3ware or an HP smart array or another serious controller |
| 09:33.13 | mhall | ultra: my dual opteron box was over budget as it was |
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| 09:33.26 | mhall | ultra: without putting in a $600-$1200 raid card |
| 09:33.40 | ootput | you can't really get a 'budget' dual opty box period |
| 09:33.41 | ultra | ah dual opteron :), i remember my friend had an alienware dual opteron, it was sick :) |
| 09:33.45 | anoHito | simonrvn, my local php install puts its extensions .... you mean the place there contains many .so file ? |
| 09:33.50 | ultra | ya ootput i was about to say that :D |
| 09:34.02 | mhall | ultra: although i did do some investigation, and some of the raid boards do have support in the kernel and the debian/ubuntu installers |
| 09:34.03 | anoHito | TML> apc.so should *already* be where your local php install puts its extensions. |
| 09:34.18 | ultra | i wish that guy had told me what the motherboard is that was running the 4x quad amd's |
| 09:34.25 | ultra | so i could purchase one. |
| 09:34.27 | ootput | ultra: your friend must have dollars than sense |
| 09:34.28 | Kazuha | (02:34:25 AM) ultra: i run a RAID 0 array on an Intel ICH9R -- you're already in trouble. |
| 09:34.32 | ootput | ultra: ;) |
| 09:34.47 | ootput | +more |
| 09:34.47 | ultra | oh really Kazuha, like as in driver trouble |
| 09:34.52 | mhall | ootput: yeah... at the time i had just started my job so i had to be a little bit 'responsible' and not entirely insane with the purchase |
| 09:34.53 | ultra | or like 'raid 0 is dumb' trouble? |
| 09:35.02 | anoHito | simonrvn, in php.ini it is extension_dir = "./" |
| 09:35.12 | Kazuha | 'RAID 0 is dumb' trouble. |
| 09:35.14 | simonrvn | anoHito: *YOUR* local php install. it put its .so files somewhere. there. |
| 09:35.15 | ultra | heh k. |
| 09:35.17 | simonrvn | no |
| 09:35.20 | ultra | thanks. |
| 09:35.23 | mhall | ootput: at the same time i wanted something that would last 5-10 years without needing any replacement / having components fail for no reason |
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| 09:35.40 | Kazuha | RAID=*Redundant* Array of Inexpensive Disks |
| 09:35.56 | ultra | yeah, they shouldn't even allow RAID 0 |
| 09:35.59 | mhall | ootput: so far it's been three years with the only failures being two optical drives... apparently they aren't making these like they used to :-( |
| 09:36.02 | ultra | i dont know why they made it |
| 09:36.04 | ultra | and people use it |
| 09:36.10 | ultra | such a gimmick. |
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| 09:36.25 | Kazuha | RAID 0 isn't smart because it *increases* one's chances for data loss. |
| 09:36.25 | mhall | Kazuha: not quite. RAID 0 == Risky Array Of Inexpensive Disks |
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| 09:36.39 | Kazuha | mhall: Hadn't thought of that. |
| 09:37.04 | ultra | like in the event that you do not have a battary backup and you spill coffe in your motherboard and the write cashed stuff fails and then you die from cancer |
| 09:37.07 | johndoe | Kazuha: maybe they dont actually need that data; its beneficial for speed improvement (2x the speed, hey who wouldnt want that) |
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| 09:37.20 | Kazuha | But I wouldn't risk running my disk set as RAID 0. |
| 09:37.24 | ultra | johndoe now there is a thought. |
| 09:37.41 | ultra | i've been running it for 3 years now, not a single file corrupted |
| 09:37.42 | Kazuha | Besides, there's only two I could run RAID 0 in the first place. |
| 09:37.54 | ultra | and i overclock and its rebooted /crashed the works many many times |
| 09:37.57 | ultra | and its in damn windows. |
| 09:38.05 | ultra | i think raid 0 risk is overhyped. |
| 09:38.09 | Kazuha | Its that if one of the disks go bad, all of the data is lost. |
| 09:38.18 | Kazuha | (Worst case scenario.) |
| 09:38.21 | ultra | well |
| 09:38.25 | ultra | if you do a single drive |
| 09:38.26 | ultra | and it goes bad |
| 09:38.28 | ultra | all the data is lost |
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| 09:38.31 | ultra | .. |
| 09:38.39 | jelly | !tell ultra about enter |
| 09:38.47 | mhall | the only place you ever would want RAID 0 is when you are setting up a SAN with multi-layer RAID. i had a friend in college that worked in the data center for a big laser nuclear fusion experiment. they took multiple SAN rack units of 15 drives each, then each SAN unit ran RAID 5 on itself, then they had a RAID 0 across all the SAN units, so it could keep up with the sensors that output many gigabytes per second when the laser was blowing |
| 09:38.58 | blubaustin | hello |
| 09:39.08 | Kazuha | If you have 5 individual drives, and one goes bad, only the data on the one is lost. That's the point. |
| 09:39.16 | ultra | sorry for fragmenting my lines, I apologize, i will correct that from now on, its a terrible habit from another smaller network. |
| 09:39.47 | blubaustin | I have a question about a ISA network card thats PNP supposdly |
| 09:39.48 | jelly | mhall: that's called raid 50, then (or is it 0+5?) |
| 09:40.00 | blubaustin | 5+0 if u say 50 |
| 09:40.15 | mhall | jelly: i think it's 5 + 0 |
| 09:40.21 | mhall | jelly: as you start from lower layers out |
| 09:40.33 | jelly | lower -> higher level. ok. |
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| 09:40.41 | blubaustin | anybody good with ISA Nics? |
| 09:40.42 | mhall | jelly: i wish i had a fiber channel link to one of those though |
| 09:40.56 | mhall | blubaustin: why the @#$% are you stuck using one of those?!? |
| 09:41.00 | dacs | tail -f /omp-data/logs/5erm/$(date +%y%m%d).APX | cgrep -2 +2 "TMUX=2-0-0-6" |
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| 09:41.02 | ultra | well like, Kazuha I really do understand your concern, but heres a hypothetical, you have $200 to buy hard drives, you can buy 1 hard drive, or 2 hard drives, you want as much performance as possible and you can afford highest individual performance drives on the market, and two of them |
| 09:41.03 | blubaustin | old computer |
| 09:41.09 | Kazuha | I haven't used an ISA card in... 6 years? |
| 09:41.10 | ultra | what would you do? |
| 09:41.13 | dacs | ^^ what is wrong with that statement?! should list 2 lines above and 2 line below |
| 09:41.20 | jelly | raid5 on 15disks sounds like pushing it |
| 09:41.31 | ultra | maybe JBOD on 15disks. |
| 09:41.41 | mhall | blubaustin: i used an NE2000 back in the day... the key was figuring out the IRQ line and the IO Port, and providing it at boot time. |
| 09:41.49 | blubaustin | its a PNP card |
| 09:41.53 | ultra | would you use mirror raid on your two hard drives Kazuha? |
| 09:41.54 | blubaustin | but it gets detected |
| 09:41.59 | blubaustin | just doesn't work |
| 09:42.00 | ultra | and lose half your possible storage? |
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| 09:42.14 | mhall | jelly: yeah i think the idea was, get the data into the SAN cabinets, then back it up to a robot arm Ultrium tape library |
| 09:42.24 | ultra | or just spend half as much money and get a single drive since its not like raid gives that much extra performance. |
| 09:42.31 | Kazuha | I go for pure, unadulterated capacity, I just don't tie them together. |
| 09:42.37 | mhall | jelly: but he couldn't tell me all of the details, as it was complicated and some of it was classified |
| 09:42.58 | blubaustin | Etherlink III 3c509B |
| 09:42.59 | Kazuha | 250, 320, 320, 500, 750 -- the capacities of all the drives currently in my computer. |
| 09:43.03 | blubaustin | ISA PnP |
| 09:43.05 | ultra | I see, so its just capacity you're focused on, but what if the goal was I/O throughput, would RAID 0 make sense? |
| 09:43.08 | mhall | blubaustin: hmm maybe you are missing like the isapnptools or some other dependencies to activate the card |
| 09:43.19 | ultra | im just trying to figure out if there are any circumstances in which RAID 0 might be appropriate? |
| 09:43.26 | blubaustin | ya it appears in ifconfig and everything |
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| 09:43.31 | blubaustin | I try ifconfig eth0 up |
| 09:43.33 | blubaustin | does nothing |
| 09:43.36 | mhall | ultra: usually if you want the hi throughput RAID 0 you do RAID 0 + 1 |
| 09:43.37 | bolt | WARGH! |
| 09:43.40 | bolt | er. wrong window |
| 09:43.41 | Kazuha | I'd pick a different RAID, because I have lost a few hard drives in the past. |
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| 09:43.55 | mhall | ultra: if the throughput can be a little lower and you want more space efficient you do RAID 5 |
| 09:44.08 | blubaustin | I forget the one raid |
| 09:44.09 | mhall | ultra: if it absolutely can't ever fuck up, then you go RAID 6 |
| 09:44.13 | blubaustin | but its better then 5 |
| 09:44.19 | blubaustin | its like 3, 4 or 6 |
| 09:44.23 | blubaustin | I can't remember |
| 09:44.29 | blubaustin | has like if one hard drive dies |
| 09:44.32 | blubaustin | u can save it |
| 09:44.32 | ultra | yeah but I have tons of space, I just want a high access speed and high write speed partition for particular tasks I have to do that require this |
| 09:44.38 | blubaustin | but one hard drive |
| 09:44.42 | blubaustin | always has to b running |
| 09:44.48 | mhall | ultra: and if it absolutely positively must never fuck up, then you use offsite real time mirroring on some kind of serious SAN like an HP EVA, or a NetApp, or an EMC of some kind |
| 09:44.58 | mhall | or a Sun Storage Tek |
| 09:44.58 | blubaustin | so I wold do a raid 3, or 4 or 5 |
| 09:45.02 | blubaustin | with a mirror |
| 09:45.03 | ultra | is there a better way to utilize 2 Seagate Barricuda 320GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache SATA II hard drives? |
| 09:45.05 | blubaustin | on the required drive |
| 09:45.41 | blubaustin | anyways I've heard about a tool used in windows to configure these Nic's |
| 09:45.50 | mhall | RAID 5 is not much use without 3 drives |
| 09:45.53 | blubaustin | should I try disabling pnp? |
| 09:45.54 | Kazuha | (megs) 42, 30, 52, (gigs) 7, 40, 120. And possibly 200. |
| 09:46.10 | mhall | ultra: in an enterprise like where i work of course we would tell you to put those in a mirror ;) |
| 09:46.20 | blubaustin | lol |
| 09:46.23 | ultra | I've had one WD 80GB drive break on me (mechanical it sounded, possibly swap the logic board to reset the ROM's write sector header location) |
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| 09:46.28 | internat | i dont think raid 5 is possible without 3 drives |
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| 09:46.41 | blubaustin | hardware/software raid too |
| 09:46.42 | blubaustin | do a mix. |
| 09:46.50 | codec | hi |
| 09:46.54 | blubaustin | hi |
| 09:46.57 | mhall | blubaustin: that stuff's so old people are not going to recall how to do it |
| 09:47.05 | blubaustin | well I need it for a router |
| 09:47.10 | mhall | blubaustin: have you tried reading the full out detailed debian install guide |
| 09:47.11 | blubaustin | or I'm screwed |
| 09:47.29 | mhall | blubaustin: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 09:47.33 | blubaustin | umm.... like once upon ago in a land far far away |
| 09:47.34 | blubaustin | I did |
| 09:47.43 | codec | is there anyway of migration a debian lenny i686 system to lenny amd64? |
| 09:47.43 | Kazuha | The ones that aren't used any more, but didn't start dying were a 43 (meg), 4.3 (gig), 17, and that 200. |
| 09:47.46 | mhall | blubaustin: that guide is the 10 ton gorilla of hardware configuration info in debian |
| 09:48.01 | mhall | blubaustin: a pain in the ass to read, but retardedly anal and detailed about EVERYthing |
| 09:48.16 | codec | migrating even |
| 09:48.21 | blubaustin | sounds like freebsd |
| 09:48.31 | Kazuha | codec: Best to just download an amd64 install disk, burn it, and install from there. |
| 09:48.33 | mhall | they will say stuff like, what to do if all the sudden you have to run Debian on a 15 million dollar IBM S390 system |
| 09:48.42 | mhall | or a SPARC workstation from 1994 |
| 09:48.44 | mhall | lol |
| 09:48.59 | codec | Kazuha: well, thats my fallback option. but i don't really want to configure all services again... |
| 09:49.00 | ultra | but other then that, i've had no drives fail, and mhall I run a software developement company, I've actually had a program/project I was developing www.maxrender.net + http://www.maxrender.net/docs/MaxRender%201_6%20User%20Guide.pdf die due to the source code being on a Western Digital 80.0GB Caviar ATA100 drive ( this was 2003 ) |
| 09:49.07 | blubaustin | its sounds like I should just go with freebsd if I gonna try ISA's |
| 09:49.12 | ultra | so i know the dire consequences of hard drive failure |
| 09:49.23 | Kazuha | You can get an amd64 kernel in the x86 repositories, but its not as good as a full install of the amd64 architecture. |
| 09:49.24 | bolt | codec: you can just install on the other machine, install the same packages and move all config files |
| 09:49.34 | ultra | it took me 4 years to find the cd-r i had backed the source code up on ( i was young, stupid ) |
| 09:49.38 | codec | bolt: yeah, but that's still pain in the ass |
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| 09:49.49 | ultra | and by then, my client base was gone, and my idea had been cloned over and over. |
| 09:49.54 | mhall | ultra: yeah it's fine to use striped arrays... just dont use it for anything besides temporary files |
| 09:49.55 | codec | bolt: copying the whole machine, changing arch to amd64 and reinstalling packages would be easier |
| 09:49.57 | blubaustin | nobody has a opionon on the ISA's |
| 09:50.02 | blubaustin | if I should just go to freebsd? |
| 09:50.20 | mhall | blubaustin: read the install guide and see what it says |
| 09:50.29 | blubaustin | *cusseS* |
| 09:50.29 | blubaustin | ok |
| 09:50.30 | bolt | codec: you might be able to. never tried that, though |
| 09:50.33 | ultra | so i use external drives now that hold all my sensitive information, and I use my raid 0 array for applications that benefit from high disk I/O throughput and writespeed |
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| 09:50.46 | mhall | blubaustin: in general NetBSD has the best support for horribly ancient hardwar |
| 09:50.50 | mhall | hardware* |
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| 09:50.55 | mhall | man what a lazy SOB |
| 09:51.01 | ultra | like operating systems, games, debuggers, virtual file systems, and VMware. |
| 09:51.03 | codec | bolt: doesnt look like it's possbile |
| 09:51.04 | Kazuha | I use a large collection of drives to hold all the data I collect. |
| 09:51.05 | mhall | first he wants to install on ancient hardware from the late 80s |
| 09:51.09 | bolt | codec: try installing a 64bit kernel on the current box, perhaps, then mirror everything to the other machine? |
| 09:51.20 | codec | bolt: i'll play around with it and post my solution to the amd64 list or something.. |
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| 09:51.23 | mhall | then when somebody tries to tell him how he starts not wanting to read the @#$%ing manual |
| 09:51.25 | codec | bolt: that would make the userland still 32bit |
| 09:51.39 | bolt | codec: yep |
| 09:52.04 | mhall | yeah... if you want to use Debian AMD64 you have to reinstall the box |
| 09:52.10 | Kazuha | Which is one of the two reasons why I moved to a full AMD64 install. |
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| 09:52.26 | mhall | at first my dual opteron ran 32 because openoffice, flash, and java did not work on amd64 |
| 09:52.34 | mhall | once they fixed all of those i moved over |
| 09:52.36 | ultra | but i have stuff that automatically is backed up to my 2 co-located debian servers since i get 100mbit and unlim disk and data use, and i have copies sent to my LAN debian server where i am more confined on space but put smaller sensitiie files, and I also have 2 USB2.0/FireWire/eSATA externals that receive copies too |
| 09:52.42 | mhall | works great once you have it set up |
| 09:53.02 | ultra | so i always thought that was enough redundancy to be able to use raid 0 on my operating system partitions |
| 09:53.08 | mhall | ultra: yeah as long as you have >= 3 copies on physically separated disks you are pretty much OK |
| 09:53.09 | Kazuha | (The other was that / had so little room that I can only install one (barely two) kernel at a time.) |
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| 09:53.27 | bolt | mhall: could say that about most stuff on debian, really :) |
| 09:53.34 | Kazuha | RAID 0 is zero redundancy. |
| 09:53.35 | ultra | ok good, i was worried for a bit that I Had made a big mistake, since you can't just go changing your raid type. |
| 09:54.01 | mhall | bolt: yeah the debian installer is not too bad, as long as your Enter key isnt broken |
| 09:54.09 | Kazuha | lol. |
| 09:54.10 | Kazuha | True. |
| 09:54.13 | mhall | bolt: if the Enter key's broken you're pretty much f'd in the a |
| 09:54.40 | Kazuha | Although, I kind of needed a few more keys. |
| 09:55.00 | mhall | Kazuha: yeah but that's the key that does 80% of everything |
| 09:55.03 | Kazuha | Fortunately, I didn't need any to enter a (censored) CD key. |
| 09:55.34 | ultra | but anyways back to the original question I posed, i've never had to use/install/mount a raid 0 array on linux before, it is a raid 0 stripe 64kb on an Intel ICH9R southbridge controller, I also have a JMicron PCI-E raid controller I could use, will I have any difficulty getting my disks to show up and mount properly and perform optimally in debian multiproc x64-x86 |
| 09:55.35 | ultra | ? |
| 09:55.56 | Kazuha | is still irked that $boss insists on having MSOS on systems. |
| 09:55.56 | bolt | mhall: what about the return key? |
| 09:56.13 | mhall | bolt: good enough for govt work |
| 09:56.46 | ultra | bolt i'm assuming there is a amount of 'enters' required to progress the installer. |
| 09:56.55 | ultra | in a non GUI installer. |
| 09:57.04 | Kazuha | A number. |
| 09:57.08 | mhall | ultra: it can be a bit tricky in linux with the non hardware raid controllers |
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| 09:57.28 | mhall | ultra: the non enterprise raid controllers depend on part of the RAID being done inside the driver |
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| 09:57.35 | Kazuha | A lot of them are just <enter><enter><enter><change something><enter><enter>, etc. |
| 09:57.36 | ultra | last time i really got into it with pure debian, it was 2000 and I had to compile the kernal like 20 times, and it was the first time i ever used linux |
| 09:57.43 | ultra | it was a bad bad thing :( |
| 09:57.47 | ultra | is this going to be like that? |
| 09:57.56 | mhall | ultra: like the nvraid on nv mobos for example, and i think that the intel is also in this category but i'm not sure |
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| 09:58.25 | ultra | mhall so you're saying that.. the driver is .. a standard one? |
| 09:58.30 | ultra | or that i need to download one ? |
| 09:58.36 | liable | the installer can set up softraid fine, it can be a little confusing maybe, but you just keep trying till its done |
| 09:59.12 | khaije1 | my client/initiator machine reboots suddenly as soon as i start to move data across the iscsi connections on it, any suggestions? |
| 09:59.17 | ultra | heh, i am pretty unexperienced at installing and configuring hardware in linux, i only really have time in maintaining and administrating via command line debian machines. |
| 09:59.25 | Kazuha | Its not like you'll have to reinstall 15 times because the DVD drive insists on being the master, and will not allow the HD to boot. |
| 09:59.29 | mhall | ultra: have to ask somebody that's used a softraid chip before |
| 09:59.34 | ultra | can you apt-get install the drivers? |
| 09:59.49 | ultra | ok, I guess i will just google it |
| 09:59.50 | mhall | ultra: that depends if you want to boot off the array or not |
| 09:59.55 | ultra | thanks a lot mhall you've been a big help |
| 10:00.12 | mhall | ultra: if you don't care whether you can boot the array you can solve the problem later after you get debian up and going |
| 10:00.15 | Kazuha | I thought I'd heard something about raid not being liked for /. |
| 10:00.41 | mhall | Kazuha: you can use it for / with the Linux MD, if the MD is a mirror |
| 10:00.57 | mhall | Kazuha: but it doesn't pan out too great if the MD is a RAID 5 or 6 |
| 10:01.12 | Kazuha | Although I don't remember where, who, when, or even the full context. |
| 10:01.28 | ultra | yeah mhall i was planning on booting from a LiveDVD |
| 10:01.34 | ultra | or a thumbdrive if it fits |
| 10:01.45 | mhall | Kazuha: of course you can use RAID on / if you have a hardware board, i have RAID for / all the time on the Smart Array P200i and P400i boards in the ProLiants at work |
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| 10:02.07 | ultra | but I also have a non-raid sata 100gb and a few external options I could use.., also could I boot from the network EPROM? |
| 10:02.07 | mhall | Kazuha: all you have to do for those guys is use the CCISS driver and its totally weird device files |
| 10:02.12 | Kazuha | hasn't ever set up a RAID array. |
| 10:02.16 | ultra | i know its possible, ive just never had to do this |
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| 10:02.33 | ultra | i have a gigabit workgroup switch so i could probably do it relatively well |
| 10:02.41 | mhall | Kazuha: /dev/cciss/c0d0p0 hehehe |
| 10:03.03 | Kazuha | doesn't have the drives available for a RAID array, anyway. |
| 10:03.09 | ultra | can you tell me any programs that act as the server to let me boot from a network eeprom? |
| 10:03.54 | mhall | ultra: yeah basically the trick with those is that you have a network card that runs a special boot bios from Intel called the PXEBOOT |
| 10:03.55 | bolt | ultra: atftpd? |
| 10:04.05 | mhall | ultra: pronounced Pixie-Boot |
| 10:04.28 | mhall | ultra: then there are some directions on what stuff you have to set up on a server on the network, to get the PXEBOOTs to run right |
| 10:04.35 | Hexch | any good link on how to converte debian standalone box to vmware structure ? |
| 10:05.09 | petemc | Hexch: vmware provide tools for that |
| 10:05.11 | ultra | i havn't used vmware in awhile, but you can't just copy the dirve *.* to virtual file system |
| 10:05.13 | ultra | ? |
| 10:05.17 | bolt | Hexch: you can do that like any other linux box. use vmware's tools |
| 10:05.21 | Kazuha | I would have half expected its name to be PXBT. |
| 10:05.24 | bolt | ultra: pretty much |
| 10:05.25 | mhall | ultra: i'll bet that's also in the install guide... http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s05.html |
| 10:05.32 | ultra | ah i suppose the drivers are possibly different in vmware |
| 10:05.47 | ultra | like the ethernet and such, but what do i know, im the newbie here. |
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| 10:06.26 | ootput | speaking of vmware.. does that require a modules- package to be installed with debian-supplied kernels, or can it be run with a vanilla-compile |
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| 10:06.40 | petemc | vmware requires modules |
| 10:07.00 | ootput | petemc: are you familiar with any virtualisation packages that don't? |
| 10:07.07 | Kazuha | I thought all VMs wouldn't run an ordinary Linux kernel. |
| 10:07.28 | petemc | ootput: no |
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| 10:14.46 | vaq | ootput: Xen runs just fine with a vanilla |
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| 10:17.50 | Hexch | petemc: ok, I will try with vmware converter tool |
| 10:17.59 | Hexch | I hope it will do it smoothly :) |
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| 10:19.19 | anoHito | simonrvn, hi are you stil there ? in phpinfo,it says the extension_dir is /usr/local/lib/php/extensions/no-debug-non-zts-20060613 , i do have this path i checked,so i should make a symplink to that apc.so ? |
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| 10:20.41 | trupheenix | how do i get my webcam working on lenny lxde? |
| 10:20.47 | trupheenix | i'm using a logitech quickcam |
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| 10:21.36 | anoHito | hmm |
| 10:21.55 | anoHito | simonrvn, i did that symplink,i run php -v ,still i do not see apc. |
| 10:22.38 | up365 | trupheenix, I have logitech webcam on lenny using camorama |
| 10:22.38 | ootput | vaq: hi. would that require any particular kernel options? (xen) |
| 10:22.56 | trupheenix | up365: ok i want to use skype |
| 10:23.09 | trupheenix | up365: so what packages am i looking for to get my webcam working on skype? |
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| 10:24.01 | up365 | trupheenix, oh ok sorry can't help with that |
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| 10:24.01 | trupheenix | up365: apt-get install gspca-source camorama |
| 10:24.01 | trupheenix | :) |
| 10:24.12 | trupheenix | m-a a-i gspca |
| 10:24.16 | trupheenix | modprobe gspca |
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| 10:27.57 | hjb | how's this torrent client called that get's installed with gnome by default? |
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| 10:30.18 | Trewas | hjb: transmission |
| 10:30.58 | ootput | vaq: are you positive xen does not require any debian modules packages? And that it can be run from a vanilla kernel built from kernel.org sources? |
| 10:31.01 | hjb | Trewas: thanks |
| 10:31.12 | vaq | ootput: yes |
| 10:31.17 | vaq | ootput: I do that right now |
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| 10:31.54 | petemc | xen dom0 support is in vanilla kernel? |
| 10:31.59 | petemc | i dont think so... |
| 10:32.07 | vaq | I'm speaking about domU |
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| 10:32.21 | petemc | what good is a domU with a dom0 ? |
| 10:32.25 | petemc | without |
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| 10:32.45 | vaq | petemc: this was about the guest domain running a vanilla kernel..... |
| 10:32.50 | petemc | oh |
| 10:32.50 | m0u5e | is there a way to append application names to their respective title bars? |
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| 10:34.42 | trupheenix | who uses lxde here? |
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| 10:35.00 | vaq | trupheenix: just ask the question. |
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| 10:36.36 | trupheenix | vaq: how do i get tomboy to work on lxde? i want tomboy to be there in the system tray on startup |
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| 10:36.53 | vaq | trupheenix: ask everybody |
| 10:37.01 | lostson | trupheenix: put it in your autostart dir |
| 10:37.03 | amartin83 | hello everybody |
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| 10:37.16 | factor | how do I apt-get install and install all the support files as well. |
| 10:37.17 | trupheenix | anyone use tomboy notes on lxde? i want to know how i can get it to start on startup. |
| 10:37.22 | ootput | vaq: nah. actually i wasn't very clear earlier. I want to install xen on a debian machine (that runs a vanilla kernel) to support guest machines |
| 10:37.31 | factor | I seem to only install the binary and not the dir structure that it needs |
| 10:37.36 | ootput | and i guess the answer is that it's not possible |
| 10:37.39 | factor | i.e apache2 |
| 10:38.00 | trupheenix | lostson: ok and where can i find the autostart dir? |
| 10:38.05 | vaq | ootput: Just patch the vanilla kernel |
| 10:38.10 | factor | when I apt-get install apache2 I dont get a /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 10:38.20 | factor | so I cant start it |
| 10:38.25 | amartin83 | I have connected two routers, 1st from my ISP to the 2nd, but the result is that internet works badly, even google load hardly and pings are missing. Anybody any ideas? |
| 10:38.33 | lostson | trupheenix: /home/you/.config/autostart |
| 10:38.48 | ootput | vaq: would the patches apply cleanly to the latest snapshot (2.6.30-rc3)? |
| 10:38.58 | ootput | i'll check out the xen site in the meantime |
| 10:39.33 | trupheenix | lostson: ok |
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| 10:40.11 | vaq | ootput: Yes I think so |
| 10:43.01 | anoHito | simonrvn, it worked, by just find where apc.so is located,then add extension_dir in php.ini, also add apc.enabled=1 in php.ini |
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| 10:43.49 | raidghost | The mod_jk2 is that for javascript support ? |
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| 10:45.36 | raidghost | cause .js should work fine in the browser. |
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| 10:47.58 | SauLus | I removed mysql-server and mysql-client, did: rm -rf /var/lib/mysql /etc/mysql and did aptitude install mysql-server mysql-client. Now I can read [ERROR] /usr/sbin/mysqld: Can't find file: './mysql/user.frm' (errno: 13) |
| 10:48.21 | SauLus | Do I have to delete something else to really remove mysql and to do a clean reinstall? |
| 10:48.24 | raidghost | SauLus: first of all. Why did you delete ? |
| 10:48.40 | raidghost | SauLus: You should use apt-get --purge remove mysql-server / mysql-client |
| 10:49.00 | trupheenix | can anyone help me with importing my old evolution mails from the .evolution folder of my home directory? |
| 10:49.07 | raidghost | not just delete directories. you screw up the system if you dont use the debian tools |
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| 10:49.35 | raidghost | SauLus: Try apt-get --purge remove mysql-server |
| 10:50.07 | raidghost | SauLus: what output do you get? |
| 10:51.00 | SauLus | raidghost: it complains about /etc/mysql/debian-start - I deleted the directory ... |
| 10:51.31 | SauLus | raidghost: I thought that every .deb is complete, so left files are a mistake. So I always delete them, when I find them |
| 10:51.49 | SauLus | raidghost: invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. Now it hangs |
| 10:52.07 | factor | how to I get apt to install apache plus support files all over agian. |
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| 10:56.58 | nkuttler | factor: support files? |
| 10:57.23 | factor | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.31 | nkuttler | !tell factor about confmiss |
| 10:57.37 | factor | apache-common has it in itr but is not installing them |
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| 10:58.19 | factor | does apt have the same abiality |
| 10:58.53 | factor | looks like using -o |
| 10:59.06 | raidghost | SauLus: Try apt-get install mysql-server |
| 10:59.28 | nkuttler | !tell SauLus about confmiss |
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| 11:00.09 | SauLus | raidghost: I copied over the /etc/mysql directory from another vserver containing lenny as well but i still get complaints about /etc/init.d/mysql: line 115: /etc/mysql/debian-start file not found. This file was not in the /etc/mysql directory of the other server. So this file has to come along with the .deb package. |
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| 11:04.40 | SauLus | thank you nkuttler - thats what I was looking for. Thanks raidghost |
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| 11:05.35 | dacs | can i use lynx with color? |
| 11:06.32 | OpenTokix | dacs: you can try links |
| 11:07.18 | dacs | OpenTokix: don't have it |
| 11:07.55 | petemc | if only there was some way to easily install software.. |
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| 11:08.16 | OpenTokix | dacs: apt-get install links |
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| 11:09.53 | _PARANOID_ | ciao a tutti |
| 11:10.02 | _PARANOID_ | posso esporre il mio problema con debian? |
| 11:10.03 | HelloWorld | Can i use Debian Repository on Ubuntu? |
| 11:10.03 | nkuttler | !it |
| 11:10.03 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:10.36 | factor | I had this problem before what is the fix for the perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 11:10.40 | simonrvn | HelloWorld: no |
| 11:10.47 | HelloWorld | ok, just asking. |
| 11:10.47 | factor | I get a perl error on locale settings |
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| 11:11.14 | nkuttler | factor: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 11:11.20 | factor | ahh |
| 11:11.33 | simonrvn | and i'm just saying "no" *grin* |
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| 11:26.54 | lolufail | hai guise |
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| 11:27.19 | thnee | in ncftp, no matter if i do 'get -R folder' or 'get -RT folder', it only downloads files in the folder, not recursively into deeper folders.. what am i missing? |
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| 11:27.46 | lolufail | is there a software-recommendation for blocking attackers when they try to access a webpage >x times per second? |
| 11:28.05 | lolufail | such as "psad" ? |
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| 11:32.13 | nkuttler | lolufail: mod_evasive ? |
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| 11:32.55 | lolufail | nkuttler: so no iptables stuff? |
| 11:33.24 | lolufail | nkuttler: since mod_evasive only denies single connections, but does not block a bad ip forerver |
| 11:33.36 | lolufail | nkuttler: which would be a good idea, wouldn't it? |
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| 11:33.59 | nkuttler | lolufail: i suggest you read the mod_evasive docs, it can interact with iptables |
| 11:35.39 | lolufail | nkuttler: I am using lighttpd for performance reasons.... |
| 11:35.49 | lolufail | nkuttler: but I will give it a read. |
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| 11:36.26 | joltcan | parsing logs and then do some iptables magic perhaps? |
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| 11:37.47 | lolufail | joltcan: yeah, I didnt wanna do too much magic myself, payment is not good enough ;) |
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| 11:39.54 | nkuttler | lolufail: offer an additional security package :) |
| 11:40.03 | lolufail | :D |
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| 11:40.38 | lolufail | I'm pretty satisfied with my empty-user-agent-return-500-solution |
| 11:41.55 | fred | Hi; wanting to build qt4 4.5.1 from the source dsc; it build-depends on libphonon-dev, and phonon depends on libqt4-dev - how does this work? |
| 11:42.39 | nkuttler | fred: apt-get build-dep package? |
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| 11:44.43 | trupheenix | my laptop microphone isn't working. i'm using a Dell Vostro 1400 with Debian lenny. help anyone? |
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| 11:48.57 | linuxluser | hmm, does apt-get/aptitude automatically resume incomplete downloads of debs? |
| 11:49.22 | lolufail | unixluser: yeah |
| 11:49.59 | Madsy | I've installed some packages from the repo debian-multimedia.org, and now I got collisions when installing upgrades with the Gnome interface. How can I remedy this? |
| 11:50.37 | Madsy | Being able to see the collisions would be helpful, but I don't see an intuitive way to do that. |
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| 11:57.06 | ootput | you can give one repo higher preference than another |
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| 11:58.17 | ootput | Madsy: are you sure you're tracking the same branch? ie multimedia/~lenny w/ ~lenny? |
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| 11:58.42 | et | how would i search (with aptitude) for all packages containing "lenny" in their version name? |
| 11:59.30 | Madsy | et: grep? |
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| 12:00.15 | RichiH | i need a command line tool which i can throw mac addresses at which will tell me who the assignee is |
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| 12:00.26 | Madsy | et: `dpkg -l | grep -i lenny | less` |
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| 12:01.36 | Madsy | ootput: Thanks, because I hadn't. It branch was set to stable. I'll see if it works now. |
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| 12:03.16 | themill | RichiH: http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/oui/index.shtml |
| 12:03.34 | avu | et, aptitude search '~Vlenny' |
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| 12:04.07 | et | avu: thanks |
| 12:04.21 | et | Madsy: thanks too, but i was looking for the aptitude way ;) |
| 12:04.39 | avu | et, file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide BTW |
| 12:04.46 | Madsy | Right, I thought you wanted to list locally installed packages. My bad. |
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| 12:05.39 | Drixx | hi, anyone can advise me about which pkg manager is better to use with lenny ? apt-get vs aptitude |
| 12:05.44 | avu | in that case, it would have been '~i~Vlenny' :) |
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| 12:07.40 | ootput | Drixx: aptitude provides a better overview, and convenient keybinds for actions on packages |
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| 12:08.19 | ootput | Drixx: and fyi, they're not package managers.. merely frontends |
| 12:08.39 | avu | !tell Drixx about why aptitude |
| 12:09.01 | RichiH | themill: yah, but i would want a tool which has a copy of the IAB |
| 12:09.20 | themill | RichiH: there's a download link on that page |
| 12:09.45 | davi | How to remove a package which shows the below error: |
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| 12:09.47 | RichiH | i can only see the list, not a tool |
| 12:09.47 | davi | dpkg: error processing fglrx-control (--remove): |
| 12:09.47 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.47 | dpkg | davi: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 12:09.52 | RichiH | but i will keep looking, thanks :) |
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| 12:10.01 | dboehmer | hello everyone |
| 12:10.12 | dboehmer | can you please help me setting up postgresql? |
| 12:10.16 | themill | RichiH: true... a little perl and you've got your tool based on that list though :) |
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| 12:10.34 | dboehmer | i have installed the pkg and daemon is running but i have problems accessing it, e.g. with phppgadmin |
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| 12:10.49 | dboehmer | this is the first time i use PostgreSQL... |
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| 12:11.03 | dboehmer | somebody listens who is familar with postgres? |
| 12:11.15 | abrotman | dboehmer: do you get an error? |
| 12:11.16 | unixluser | hello! i'm using aptitude atm. i notice that sometimes aptitude installs more packages than apt-get. Why is this? |
| 12:11.20 | Drixx | ootput : ok tank ;) |
| 12:11.26 | unixluser | and can i disable this behaviour to get it like apt-get |
| 12:11.28 | trupheenix | hi i need help to get my laptop's integrated microphone working with skype and ekiga and the like on Debian Lenny. I'm on a Dell Vostro 1400 with the intel hda card. |
| 12:11.32 | abrotman | unixluser: man aptitude ... see -R |
| 12:11.36 | dboehmer | when accessing http://server/phppgadmin i get "permission denied" |
| 12:11.56 | RichiH | themill: true |
| 12:11.57 | abrotman | !tell unixluser about apt recommends |
| 12:12.16 | dboehmer | at first i expected phppgadmin configured wrong but while browsing through postgres how-tos i got the impression there is much to be done in order to start postgres |
| 12:12.41 | nkuttler | dboehmer: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/13PermissionDenied |
| 12:12.41 | abrotman | dboehmer: if you become the postgres user .. can you `psql template1` ? |
| 12:12.55 | unixluser | abrotman: so.. recommends are high prio packages than suggested? |
| 12:13.17 | davi | How to solve this dpkg error? http://paste.debian.net/34532/ |
| 12:13.21 | unixluser | that is, more relevant to the package? |
| 12:13.36 | unixluser | abrotman: do you have recommends enabled, by any chance? |
| 12:13.42 | dboehmer | abrotman: couldnt open file var/lib/postgresql/7.4/main/global/1262 |
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| 12:15.29 | davi | This corruption problem are often in Debian. I would like to see an easy solution (i.e. in synaptic or aptitude) for this. See http://paste.debian.net/34532/ |
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| 12:15.32 | davi | Any solution? |
| 12:18.10 | anoHito | how do i check the size of a folder ? |
| 12:18.49 | nkuttler | davi: uhh, what does "file /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-control.postinst" say? |
| 12:19.01 | ranix | anoHito: du |
| 12:19.18 | davi | nkuttler, let me look for it |
| 12:19.29 | abchirk | in which package is getty? because its missing on the boot :P |
| 12:19.41 | nkuttler | !tell abchirk about search |
| 12:19.42 | davi | nkuttler, /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-control.postinst: empty |
| 12:19.49 | ranix | anoHito: df to check the size of a whole partition |
| 12:20.03 | dboehmer | abrotman: can you tell me what's wrong with this error message? |
| 12:20.04 | nkuttler | hm, are empty postinst script allowed? |
| 12:20.19 | anoHito | ranix, du foldername ? |
| 12:21.02 | davi | nkuttler, I am going to download the package by and and recover such scripts so it be able to remove the packages, thanks |
| 12:21.06 | abchirk | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'filename getty' returned no results. :( |
| 12:21.50 | ranix | anoHito: I cd to the folder in question, then run du |
| 12:21.56 | nkuttler | davi: if there really are empty script in the package it's probably a bug |
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| 12:23.16 | davi | nkuttler, they are packages from unstable. I will report to you if there are empty scripts |
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| 12:25.16 | nkuttler | davi: if there are empty control scripts, file a bug report, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html |
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| 12:26.06 | davi | sure nkuttler |
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| 12:38.04 | davi | nkuttler, All was right in the packages. It was just a broken installation. |
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| 12:42.25 | datag | i would like to suggest a new software package. which is the right way doing this? should i open a new ticket/bug or should i send an email to new_package@packages.debian.org ? |
| 12:42.39 | sepult | where does apt-get source <package> get it's packages ?? |
| 12:42.58 | avu | sepult, wherever your sources.list tells it to find them |
| 12:43.39 | nkuttler | !tell datag about wnpp |
| 12:44.11 | datag | nkuttler: great :) thanks |
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| 12:45.29 | SPF | what is the best way to copy the root partition to another partition? I tried dd, but it gives a lot of ext_get_inode_loc errors |
| 12:45.44 | sepult | avu: how would i go to tell it to get the sources from say sourceforge ?? |
| 12:45.54 | sepult | avi: i mean pristine ! |
| 12:46.04 | avu | sepult, that's not what apt-get source does |
| 12:46.09 | sepult | oh |
| 12:46.10 | Ariel_Calzada | how to avoid resolv.conf been refreshed, i've read some posts that say that i have to modidy dhclient.conf any idea'??? |
| 12:46.11 | avu | sepult, it downloads debian source packages |
| 12:48.03 | damaex | ariel :) try chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf :p |
| 12:48.06 | avu | Ariel_Calzada, if you're getting the name servers from a DHCP server, configuring your DHCP client to not use them would be right, yes |
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| 12:51.12 | Ariel_Calzada | avu but how to do this? |
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| 12:51.41 | abrotman | dboehmer: which version of debian? |
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| 12:52.01 | linduxed | how do i mark a package to never be upgraded? |
| 12:52.19 | avu | Ariel_Calzada, not sure what you're asking. you know the name of the file, you know what you want to change.. |
| 12:52.31 | abrotman | !tell linduxed about hold |
| 12:52.46 | abrotman | linduxed: you could also use your preferences file |
| 12:52.55 | abrotman | linduxed: which package are you going to hold? |
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| 12:53.06 | linduxed | abrotman: wallpaper-tray |
| 12:53.12 | linduxed | abrotman: just that one |
| 12:53.34 | dboehmer | abrotman: current debian lenny |
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| 12:55.03 | abrotman | dboehmer: there is no postgresql 7.4 in lenny |
| 12:55.40 | dboehmer | abrotman: sorry... forget about that. had to downgrade last friday as necessary app does only support debian 4.0 |
| 12:55.52 | skilz | How do I get google earth working? I just installed googleearth-package - utility to automatically build a Debian package of Google Earth. |
| 12:55.54 | abrotman | downgrade? |
| 12:56.00 | skilz | now what do I need to do? |
| 12:56.01 | valdyn | SPF: why are you trying to copy the raw device when you can just copy files ? |
| 12:56.14 | abrotman | skilz: i think it has a script .. see the docs in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/ |
| 12:56.18 | avu | skilz, read that package's docs apperantly :) |
| 12:56.51 | SPF | valdyn: the root fs doesn't contain only files. I'm afraid it cannot copy /dev and /proc |
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| 12:57.25 | valdyn | SPF: copying the raw device doesnt get /dev or /proc |
| 12:57.38 | jelly | SPF: those mountpoints aren't real anyway |
| 12:57.43 | valdyn | SPF: you it does not need to either |
| 12:58.07 | SPF | so, what is the best way? rsync or something? |
| 12:58.10 | jelly | SPF: dd can only be successful if the filesystem is unused at the time of copying |
| 12:58.11 | valdyn | SPF: contrary to that, cp could get both, but you shouldnt copy those |
| 12:58.25 | valdyn | SPF: rsync -axvH |
| 12:58.37 | SPF | ok, I'll give it a try |
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| 12:58.46 | dboehmer | abrotman: i just installed the box new from scratch... in the meantime i found out i could use the software with lenny, too, but don't want to have the hassle of installing debian again |
| 12:58.50 | valdyn | SPF: mind, both methods will break grub |
| 12:58.51 | jelly | or cp -ax |
| 12:58.58 | valdyn | SPF: unless its on a seperate partition |
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| 12:59.02 | dboehmer | abrotman: can you help me setting up postgres? |
| 12:59.20 | SPF | valdyn: ah ok, I can fix that easily |
| 12:59.24 | abrotman | dboehmer: on etch or lenny? |
| 12:59.34 | valdyn | SPF: yes indeed |
| 13:00.13 | dboehmer | abrotman: on etch this time:) |
| 13:00.30 | valdyn | heheh, finally the thing where ipv6 "broke" dns seems to have a fix |
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| 13:01.34 | sepult | so redirection over tcp or udp is not implemented by bash |
| 13:01.36 | sepult | waaahahh |
| 13:01.49 | valdyn | sepult: not in unix |
| 13:01.49 | sepult | and they wonder why they get errors |
| 13:01.55 | valdyn | sepult: yes in plan9 |
| 13:02.02 | valdyn | sepult: its not a bash feature |
| 13:02.21 | sepult | valdyn: what is plan9 i just heard it |
| 13:02.39 | petemc | sepult: just use netcat |
| 13:02.47 | sepult | ok |
| 13:02.55 | valdyn | sepult: its like a successor to unix extends the everything is a file paradigma to remote hosts and network |
| 13:03.10 | valdyn | *paradigm* i guess |
| 13:03.54 | valdyn | sepult: im not familiar with it however |
| 13:04.13 | linduxed | abrotman: that fixed it |
| 13:04.20 | linduxed | abrotman: thx |
| 13:04.26 | valdyn | oh and linux is getting some plan9 features anyway |
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| 13:04.47 | petemc | bash has has support for that, i think its just disabled in debian |
| 13:04.54 | petemc | s/has/had. |
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| 13:05.33 | abrotman | dboehmer: aptitude install postgresql-7.4 .. should do it |
| 13:05.47 | smacnay | how does one downgrade a package? |
| 13:05.57 | abrotman | dboehmer: then you su root and then su - postgres .. setup your normal user to be able to use postgres |
| 13:06.01 | et | dpkg: downgrade |
| 13:06.01 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 13:06.02 | abrotman | smacnay: normally you don't |
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| 13:06.29 | jelly | smacnay: aptitude install foo=version, or aptitude install foo/release |
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| 13:06.59 | jelly | smacnay: assuming you have repos enabled that provide different versions of the package in question |
| 13:07.00 | smacnay | abrotman: I never have needed to before but this is evolution and it has all my correspondence data. Bug report recommends downgrading for now. |
| 13:07.13 | smacnay | jelly: thanks |
| 13:08.33 | dboehmer | abrotman: installing postgresql-7.4 does actually nothing... |
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| 13:10.55 | dboehmer | abrotman: i tried remove & purge of this pkg but nothing changes. i have read that dpkg presents a first config dialog but nothing like that appears |
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| 13:26.22 | AlexC_ | g'morning |
| 13:26.44 | AlexC_ | I've got an issue with apt-get update, it is hanging on 'Waiting for Headers' and sits there at 99% all the time. What can I do to resolve this? |
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| 13:27.50 | ajavid | hm |
| 13:28.01 | justin | AlexC_: try another mirror |
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| 13:28.17 | AlexC_ | justin, have been all morning, nothing works. I can ping them just fine |
| 13:28.29 | justin | AlexC_: ping!=http |
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| 13:28.38 | AlexC_ | indeed |
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| 13:28.56 | justin | AlexC_: what happens if you do 'curl http.us.debian.org' ? |
| 13:29.05 | AlexC_ | justin, this is with security.debian.org and has been with like it for quite a few days now |
| 13:29.14 | ajavid | justin, I am experiencing this as well |
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| 13:29.25 | ajavid | I just tried to update and its doing the same thing as AlexC_ |
| 13:29.44 | ajavid | 90+sec and no dice |
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| 13:29.53 | AlexC_ | justin, it also hangs |
| 13:30.17 | ajavid | mine doesn't hang, it just can't get a hit, seems it will time out or something after a while, let me see |
| 13:30.18 | AlexC_ | ajavid, that's good to know. I thought I may have borked something up |
| 13:30.27 | ajavid | ahh here it goes! |
| 13:31.20 | achilles | hello all, I have debian box acts as a gateway for vpn connection, the another side is cisco IOS, what vpn client do I need ? |
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| 13:31.34 | iateadonut | what's the command line command to turn off x? |
| 13:31.43 | iateadonut | or the command line command to turn off the monitor somehow. |
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| 13:31.50 | ajavid | AlexC_, Fetched 139kB in 168s (610B/s) |
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| 13:32.15 | ajavid | I am using ftp.us.debian.org and security |
| 13:32.16 | AlexC_ | ajavid, =\ I've left mine on for like 30 mins the other day, no go |
| 13:32.30 | justin | AlexC_: try another mirror |
| 13:32.38 | AlexC_ | justin, such as? |
| 13:32.45 | ajavid | !mirrors |
| 13:32.45 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>. |
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| 13:33.54 | ajavid | osu osl works just fine no lag there |
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| 13:34.56 | AlexC_ | justin, well, no go as well for Virgin Media and other mirrors. I've tried loads this morning and still 100% nothing |
| 13:35.28 | ajavid | did you do anything to apt preferences? |
| 13:35.42 | AlexC_ | ajavid, yes, however I have removed all changes I did |
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| 13:36.25 | AlexC_ | there was previously no /etc/apt/preferences - I added something in there, however have now removed that file (and other changes done) |
| 13:36.39 | abrotman | dboehmer: that package exists in etch |
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| 13:37.22 | AlexC_ | ajavid, mind pastebining /etc/apt/apt.conf if it is not empty? |
| 13:37.30 | mrglinux | hi I have debian server I got backup /var and /etc now I restore with cp on etc and var but nothing changed and return to first time. so doesn't make any problem if remove /var /etc and copy again ? |
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| 13:37.41 | phanter | hi there |
| 13:38.16 | petemc | mrglinux: do you expect the results to be different repeating the same thing twice? |
| 13:38.24 | ajavid | AlexC_, why don't you paste your changes you made maybe something there has screwed up |
| 13:38.36 | AlexC_ | ajavid, cos they no longer exist |
| 13:38.37 | phanter | my sshfs shows up as "d????????? ? ? ? ? ? FolderName" and cannot be approached by me (used sshfs as root, want to use it as user). What can I do to solve this? |
| 13:38.52 | phanter | (it was from the ls -al command) |
| 13:38.55 | AlexC_ | I know pastebin is pretty cool concept, but it can't have stuff I don't have =3 |
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| 13:39.10 | dboehmer | abrotman: the pkg is existing and installed but reinstalling does not change anything... |
| 13:39.25 | ajavid | AlexC_, then that is not a concern anymore if you have reverted back to before the changes |
| 13:39.32 | AlexC_ | ajavid, indeed |
| 13:39.47 | mrglinux | petemc I don't know . isn't /etc setting ?? |
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| 13:39.55 | mrglinux | so what shall I do ? |
| 13:39.57 | AlexC_ | ajavid, could you just apt-conf dump for me? |
| 13:39.59 | ajavid | AlexC_, try apt-spy and find some mirrors in your area and try those? |
| 13:40.06 | AlexC_ | or what ever it was, I forget the command |
| 13:40.28 | AlexC_ | ajavid, I have no apt-spy |
| 13:40.37 | petemc | mrglinux: its not clear when you want to achieve, but yes, /etc/ is used for configuration files |
| 13:40.39 | ajavid | heh, and you can't get it either eh |
| 13:40.43 | AlexC_ | exactly =) |
| 13:40.52 | valdyn | !pdo |
| 13:40.52 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 13:41.10 | mrglinux | petemc so you say if I copy last etc on new etc setting doesn't back ? |
| 13:41.20 | petemc | mrglinux: that would depend on the setting |
| 13:41.32 | petemc | mrglinux: as i said, i dont know what exactlty you're trying to do |
| 13:41.37 | AlexC_ | ajavid, it really isn't a mirror problem, though. I've tired many mirrors from all over the world with no change |
| 13:42.26 | mrglinux | petemc it's apache setting mysql - proftp and user and passwords. I want my server back to first day so before any change on it I make copy of /etc and /var on home directory |
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| 13:42.51 | valdyn | mrglinux: whats your native language? |
| 13:43.06 | abrotman | dboehmer: and it just doens't start? |
| 13:43.06 | mrglinux | valdyn persian |
| 13:43.12 | petemc | mrglinux: did you restart the services after copying the configs back? |
| 13:43.12 | mrglinux | why ? |
| 13:43.13 | valdyn | !farsi |
| 13:43.20 | mrglinux | petemc 100% |
| 13:43.34 | petemc | mrglinux: i would also be wary about copying stuff in /va |
| 13:43.38 | petemc | r/ blithely |
| 13:43.43 | valdyn | mrglinux: because youre telling us stuff that makes no sense |
| 13:43.49 | valdyn | mrglinux: which is due to language maybe |
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| 13:44.40 | valdyn | mrglinux: etc does not contains mysql databases, so whatever you stored there is not on first day state |
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| 13:44.55 | mrglinux | valdyn but it is in var/lib/ysql |
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| 13:45.00 | mrglinux | **mysql |
| 13:45.44 | valdyn | mrglinux: if you replace the config files, and restart the service, then those new config files determine the config, obviously |
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| 13:46.07 | mrglinux | it's interesting for me I did same it before and worked |
| 13:46.33 | valdyn | mrglinux: how about reading the config file(s) to see if they were really replaced? |
| 13:46.35 | mrglinux | maybe it cached |
| 13:46.52 | mrglinux | I'm looking |
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| 13:47.36 | phanter | anybody who knows about sshfs? |
| 13:48.07 | valdyn | phanter: you could use a umask or somesuch, sshfs cannot support real permissions |
| 13:48.25 | phanter | oke, I'll try that |
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| 13:48.27 | valdyn | phanter: you should just mount as the user that wants to use those files, not as root |
| 13:48.51 | phanter | valdyn: I want to share it between users |
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| 13:57.31 | SPF | valdyn, jelly : it worked. rsync did it's job perfectly. Thx for the help! |
| 13:58.10 | mazzanet | ok i'm mildly concerned |
| 13:58.19 | mazzanet | i have iceweasel open to a blank page |
| 13:58.24 | mazzanet | all addons disabled |
| 13:58.36 | mazzanet | and it's sitting there on 13% cpu usage |
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| 13:58.59 | jelly | phanter: man sshfs, allow_other |
| 13:59.02 | jpinx-eeepc | mazzanet: 13% of what? |
| 13:59.17 | mazzanet | ... |
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| 13:59.29 | mazzanet | that's %CPU according to ps |
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| 13:59.44 | jelly | phanter: fuse based filesystems restrict access to the mounting user by default |
| 13:59.51 | jpinx-eeepc | mazzanet: you running dualcore or an old PIII 500? |
| 14:00.03 | guk | heh im running a old p3 450 |
| 14:00.03 | guk | :D |
| 14:00.07 | petemc | aol |
| 14:00.12 | jonsmith1982_ | is libc6 safe to upgrade? |
| 14:00.16 | mazzanet | 900mhz celeron in my eeepc :P |
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| 14:00.33 | jpinx-eeepc | mazzanet: then relax and enjoy your problem:) |
| 14:00.38 | guk | my p3 has been my * server for years in the house ... running squid and adblock and all that fun stuff |
| 14:00.47 | mazzanet | admitely, i've never noticed the usage before |
| 14:00.49 | guk | 35w a CPU ... can't go wrong |
| 14:00.54 | jpinx-eeepc | mazzanet: your 900 in the eeepc is throtled to 633 |
| 14:01.00 | mazzanet | no it isn't ;) |
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| 14:01.11 | jpinx-eeepc | mazzanet: what model? |
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| 14:01.44 | mazzanet | 701 |
| 14:02.10 | bolt | Is there a way to make rsync remove the old file before transferring the new one? I am syncing a 300 gig drive with another 300 gig drive, and when updating the almost full drive, it will bork on a huge file, which I think is because it tries to write the entire new file before removingt the old one. |
| 14:02.12 | mazzanet | either way |
| 14:02.25 | mazzanet | i just found it curious that there was usage of some variety on a blank page |
| 14:02.35 | bolt | I know I lose some security by this, but it's way better than having to delete stuff or not being able to sync |
| 14:02.36 | jpinx-eeepc | mazzanet: have you overclocked it? |
| 14:02.44 | mazzanet | ;) |
| 14:02.50 | mazzanet | naturally |
| 14:03.22 | jpinx-eeepc | mazz if it's not overclocked - it's running at 633 - if it is overclocked it'll break soon anyway - they are throttled for good reason |
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| 14:03.46 | jpinx-eeepc | mazzanet: iceweasel uses lots of cpu even idle |
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| 14:04.40 | mazzanet | ok that's alright then |
| 14:04.41 | jpinx-eeepc | unless you read the debianeeepc wiki and configure your iceweasel nicely;) |
| 14:04.51 | unixluser | hello. is kvm still a good solution for virtualisation on a home computer for a desktop guest os (win2k) ? |
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| 14:06.52 | simNIX | unixluser, with kvm i think of kvm switch to use one monitor/mouse/keyb w several boxes - for virtualization I use vmware and virtualbox |
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| 14:08.01 | jelly | bolt: --inplace? |
| 14:08.22 | ootput | simNIX: are they free? |
| 14:08.46 | simNIX | virtualbox is is and from vmware theres also a free one |
| 14:09.02 | ootput | simNIX: have you tried kvm? |
| 14:09.08 | simNIX | dont know it |
| 14:09.08 | ootput | (virtualisation) |
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| 14:13.10 | dboehmer | abrotman: when running "psql template1" error message "file not found" is printed |
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| 14:18.27 | phanter | thanks... I did not read the man page carefullt enough then (stupid me) |
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| 14:21.39 | nb9nr9no9 | i just recently upgraded to lenny--and now instead of default kde at startup--i have textmode--and gnome is the default --and is the only desktop i can ru n--all others result in xserver crash---how to fix this? |
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| 14:24.03 | gps23 | hi |
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| 14:25.03 | gps23 | someone please tell me how to install flash on firefox |
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| 14:25.43 | ranix | apt-get install mozilla-flashplugin |
| 14:25.45 | ranix | or similar |
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| 14:25.50 | ranix | apt cache search mozilla flash |
| 14:26.05 | gps23 | ranix, thanks |
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| 14:26.15 | ranix | np |
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| 14:27.17 | themill | gps23: etch? lenny? |
| 14:28.01 | gps23 | themill, lenny |
| 14:28.18 | themill | dpkg: tell gps23 about adobe flash |
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| 14:28.51 | themill | gps23: then you'll either need to use the flashplayer-mozilla package from dmm or the flashplugin-nonfree package from backports.org. See the message from the dpkg bot. |
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| 14:29.03 | themill | ranix: ^^ careful with flash... it's problematic. |
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| 14:29.51 | nb9nr9no9 | if u ever switch from free to non or vice versa it sure is |
| 14:29.58 | gps23 | themill, so in all cases i will have to change my sources.lst |
| 14:30.05 | themill | gps23: correct. |
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| 14:30.27 | gps23 | themill, i got, thanks bro |
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| 14:31.42 | nb9nr9no9 | shouldnt startx /usr/bin/xfce start xfce if just plain startx starts gnome? |
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| 14:33.34 | petemc | nb9nr9no9: i dont know all the arguments startx takes, but i dont see how you could infer one thing from the other |
| 14:34.04 | nb9nr9no9 | well because it always has in the past under etch? |
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| 14:34.20 | petemc | that would be a better reason |
| 14:34.38 | jelly | nb9nr9no9: isn't there a "startxfce" command? |
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| 14:34.55 | jelly | startxfce4 * |
| 14:34.57 | nkuttler | nb9nr9no9: you probably want man xsession |
| 14:35.23 | nb9nr9no9 | i can only run gnome since i upgraded to lenny--i have kde, jwm,fluxbox, and gnome installed |
| 14:35.43 | nb9nr9no9 | *and xfce |
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| 14:36.24 | jetscreamer | use the sessions 'button' in gdm |
| 14:36.29 | nkuttler | nb9nr9no9: no, you can run everything you want |
| 14:36.30 | jetscreamer | choose cfce |
| 14:36.33 | dmarkey | what package is mount.cifs in |
| 14:36.34 | jetscreamer | xfce |
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| 14:36.42 | jetscreamer | apt-file search |
| 14:36.45 | jetscreamer | !apt-file |
| 14:36.45 | dpkg | apt-file is probably a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
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| 14:37.34 | dmarkey | Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-amd64.gz |
| 14:37.45 | jetscreamer | startx -e icewm 'used' to work but doesn't anymore |
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| 14:38.51 | abrotman | dboehmer: which file? |
| 14:38.51 | themill | dmarkey: ignore it, it's not an issue |
| 14:39.00 | jetscreamer | or choose kde or fluxbox rather |
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| 14:39.56 | dboehmer | abrotman: /var/lib/postgresql/7.4/main/global/1262 |
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| 14:40.23 | abrotman | dboehmer: i have no idea what you've done to your postgres .. i've installed it tons of times and never had this happe |
| 14:40.25 | abrotman | happen |
| 14:40.33 | nb9nr9no9 | something else i would like to find out also---if you install from tarball in debian is the default location it installs to /usr/bin/local ? |
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| 14:41.29 | dboehmer | abrotman: how can i remove complete postgres installation? i could install it all again, but remove postgresql --purge keeps lots of files... |
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| 14:42.46 | abrotman | dboehmer: you'd purge all the postgres* packages |
| 14:43.42 | dboehmer | abrotman: can is do that automatically or get a list of alle postgres* pkgs? |
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| 14:43.59 | AlexC_ | Ok, regarding my apt-get update issue - the problem appears to be worse. I can't 'curl' my website like I normally can. However a curl -i works just fine. Wtf? |
| 14:44.00 | anddam | hello |
| 14:44.40 | anddam | can I specifiy size of columns of aptitude's output? |
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| 14:45.20 | themill | anddam: look at the -F option. |
| 14:45.47 | anddam | thanks |
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| 14:49.36 | anddam | themill: "see aptitude reference manual" it's not the man page, isn't it? |
| 14:49.50 | themill | !aptitude docs |
| 14:49.51 | dpkg | Documentation for aptitude can be found in the aptitude-doc package (to see the languages in which it is available, apt-cache showpkg aptitude-doc) or at http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/index.html . Also ask me about <aptitude search><aptitude-build-dep><aptitude clone><aptitude-fu>, or <aptitude debug> |
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| 14:50.05 | anddam | aptitude-doc fine |
| 14:50.09 | anddam | thanks again |
| 14:50.16 | themill | np |
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| 14:58.34 | KavanS | mornin |
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| 15:00.44 | anddam | themill: do you by any chance know what defaults columns are? |
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| 15:01.55 | themill | nfc |
| 15:02.11 | ranix | !nfc |
| 15:02.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nfc is No Fucking Clue, or No Fucken Comment .. or maybe National Football Conference |
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| 15:02.33 | ranix | thanks, dpkg |
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| 15:03.04 | OpenTokix | anddam: probably 80, like its default for a terminal |
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| 15:04.24 | anddam | OpenTokix: not default size, default columns |
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| 15:06.13 | valdyn | nb9nr9no9: thats independent of debian and only depends on the tarball, usually its /usr/local/ but you never know |
| 15:06.31 | valdyn | nb9nr9no9: theres no /usr/bin/local anywhere though |
| 15:07.06 | OpenTokix | anddam: yeah, one column is one char? |
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| 15:07.49 | themill | OpenTokix: he's talking about the format string for aptitude console output |
| 15:07.52 | jetscreamer | i see columns=200 a lot but no idea whatsoever about default |
| 15:07.53 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 15:08.01 | OpenTokix | sorry sorry |
| 15:08.15 | greycat | "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l ..." was for older versions of dpkg that truncated stuff by default |
| 15:08.30 | jetscreamer | omg greycat! |
| 15:08.34 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 15:09.00 | jetscreamer | looks around for mwilson |
| 15:09.08 | jetscreamer | darn |
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| 15:13.45 | themill | anddam: it's something like "%c%a%M %p - %d" |
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| 15:25.06 | melkart | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/xfwm4-themes <--- i believe that this is a mistake because it depends on a too recent version of xfwm4, not included in lenny. it causes package conflicts |
| 15:25.27 | melkart | should i report it as a bug? |
| 15:25.50 | melkart | (but how?) |
| 15:26.01 | drwn | who created folder for mail with postfix, dovecot and ldap ? |
| 15:26.02 | stew | melkart: on one of the backports.org mailing lists |
| 15:26.24 | stew | melkart: assuming that the version it depends on is not in lenny-backports either |
| 15:26.37 | melkart | stew: thanks. it isn't |
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| 15:42.12 | greycat | discovers, painfully, that one of the boxes wasn't set to start apache2 at boot time, and another was set to start both apache and apache2... |
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| 15:47.47 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: I did that too :( Fixed it by purging Apache ;) |
| 15:47.51 | lindenle | Hi folks. For some reason when I try to bring up my ethernet this morning "ifup eth0=work" i get "No such device". Checked to see that e1000 was loaded and it is... so im stumped. Kernel-image == 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem and card is Intel 82566MM. Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
| 15:48.23 | Kobaz | lindenle: ifconfig -a... what devices do you have |
| 15:48.30 | greycat | I removed rc2.d/S91apache for now. I didn't want to purge the configs. |
| 15:49.04 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: are they not already in Apache2 ? |
| 15:49.05 | lindenle | Kobaz lo and wlano :(, boooo |
| 15:49.23 | lindenle | ah |
| 15:49.30 | lindenle | modprobe e1000e and i get eth2 |
| 15:49.33 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: I suppose they are now (since I did that particular upgrade a few weeks ago), but I'm a bit conservative sometimes. |
| 15:49.34 | lindenle | tada! |
| 15:50.33 | Kobaz | lindenle: heh |
| 15:50.48 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: fair enough - me too - just make backups and purge, you can always replace them if needed, but unlikely;) |
| 15:50.54 | \amethyst | it is important that you quote your variables so that [1_1238370673081.2] isn't treated as a wildcard matching any of the characters ._0123678 |
| 15:50.58 | \amethyst | doh |
| 15:50.58 | lindenle | !beer Kobaz |
| 15:50.58 | dpkg | pours a pint of Spaten Pils for Kobaz |
| 15:51.02 | Kobaz | lindenle: add e1000e to /etc/modules |
| 15:51.03 | lindenle | l8r kids |
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| 15:51.27 | greycat | sounds like he got screwed by udev... |
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| 15:51.59 | jpinx-eeepc | heh - udev = randomness sometimes;) |
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| 15:53.02 | dboehmer | abrotman: you're still there? i have now set up a new debian LENNY (really, this time). would you please help getting psql running? |
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| 15:53.50 | dboehmer | abrotman: i have installed "postgresql" pkg and now my software asks for server (localhost, for sure), and user/pw. i have not set up any users yet in postgres |
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| 15:54.52 | jmoncayo | good morning people |
| 15:54.53 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: there was a udev update a few weeks back in sid that made eth0 become eth1, which was REALLY bad if you wanted a network. |
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| 15:56.33 | joh | Hi, I've got broken packages - libjack0: Depends: libfreebob0 (>= 1.0.11) but 1.0.7-1 is to be installed. The reason is that I installed version of 1.0.7 of libfreebob because 1.0.11 is buggy. How can I make apt ignore that dependency problem? |
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| 15:56.53 | greycat | install the older libjack0 |
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| 15:57.06 | jmoncayo | anyone here has configured a bcm4328 wirless adapter in the hp tx1000z ? |
| 15:57.11 | cptblood | /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 15:57.11 | cptblood | Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting . |
| 15:57.16 | cptblood | shouldnt it say something more? |
| 15:57.26 | jmoncayo | cptblood: nope |
| 15:57.31 | cptblood | k |
| 15:57.32 | joh | greycat: There's no way to ask apt to ignore just that dependency problem? |
| 15:57.35 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: bleah! |
| 15:57.59 | cptblood | i just get a blank page and the browser is saying Done |
| 15:57.59 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: hence my assumption that udev made him have an eth2 instead of eth0 |
| 15:58.11 | cptblood | when trying to access it thru http |
| 15:58.19 | jmoncayo | how can i disable the internal. beep when u backspace too much? |
| 15:58.25 | greycat | cptblood: check /var/log/apache2/error* |
| 15:58.37 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: totally, but udev does random naming for me already - I don't need to wait for the latest version ;) |
| 15:58.44 | greycat | jmoncayo: either xset (if you're in X) or setterm (if you're on a Linux console) |
| 15:59.07 | jmoncayo | cptblood: it should say it works in an empty page |
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| 15:59.28 | cptblood | just references of shutting down and restarting apache |
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| 15:59.55 | jmoncayo | greycat: i should try both, since i want to remove that beep from both :D |
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| 16:01.15 | demmeln | hi. is there a quick way to determine the debian version of a system (that im logged in to) ? |
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| 16:01.23 | sepski | !version |
| 16:01.23 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 16:01.26 | RedMushroom | does debian lenny come with ImageMagic or NetPBM installed? if so which one? |
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| 16:01.36 | greycat | you can install imagemagick |
| 16:01.45 | greycat | I don't know about netpbm |
| 16:01.46 | RedMushroom | is there an apt-get command for it? |
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| 16:01.58 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: apt-cache search foo, apt-get install foo |
| 16:02.21 | siyb | anyone here ever got the adaptec 1405 sas/sata controller to work under debian? if so, did you use the drivers that are included or some other workaround? |
| 16:02.22 | demmeln | thanks |
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| 16:02.30 | jmoncayo | greycat: should i do a settem and a reload after? because it keeps beeping even though i tried the -bfreq 0 |
| 16:02.37 | RedMushroom | nkuttler: ty. greycat: do you know if imagemagick has an apt-get command to install it? |
| 16:02.46 | greycat | RedMushroom: what nkuttler said. |
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| 16:03.21 | techexo | hello all, i have a big problem with xorg and gnome (debian exp / sid) : the CPU stay at 100% everytime... No problem with xfce (sorry for that english, i'm french :( ) |
| 16:03.22 | RedMushroom | :-| |
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| 16:03.49 | RedMushroom | any way to tell if i already have imagemagick installed w/o trying apt-get? |
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| 16:03.58 | greycat | dpkg -l imagemagick |
| 16:03.58 | dpkg | ii imagemagick 3.5-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 16:04.01 | nkuttler | techexo: use top? |
| 16:04.17 | greycat | Or try "man identify". |
| 16:04.30 | greycat | If you have the man page for it, you probably have the whole thing. |
| 16:04.34 | Kobaz | apt-cache show imagemagick |
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| 16:04.39 | greycat | Kobaz: no. |
| 16:04.46 | greycat | that shows whether it's *available* to be installed in some repository. |
| 16:04.46 | Kobaz | heh |
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| 16:04.54 | techexo | nkuttler: /usr/bin/X11/X -nolisten tcp --> 100% |
| 16:05.04 | Kobaz | no i was seeing if the bot had that command |
| 16:05.14 | nkuttler | techexo: hmmmm... which debian release? |
| 16:05.25 | greycat | Kobaz: the bot isn't named apt-cache |
| 16:05.33 | techexo | debian experimental / sid ; kernel 2.6.29 amd64 |
| 16:05.36 | Kobaz | greycat: i know |
| 16:05.41 | techexo | with nvidia's driver |
| 16:05.55 | zwerg | Hi there. My hostap (prism 2.5) pci wifi card gets renamed by udev. In order to upgrade its firmware I need to disable renaming. Any hints how to do this? |
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| 16:05.59 | Kobaz | greycat: but maybe dpkg had other bits of text to listen to |
| 16:06.13 | Kobaz | dpkg -S /usr/bin/bash |
| 16:06.14 | dpkg | Package: /usr/bin/bash: Status: install ok installed |
| 16:06.26 | RedMushroom | wonders why he even bothers asking for help w/ any linux question on irc |
| 16:06.29 | nkuttler | techexo: looks odd, my X is in /usr/bin/ |
| 16:06.39 | Kobaz | hmmm, that's not regular dpkg output |
| 16:06.53 | techexo | nkuttler: what is "odd" ? |
| 16:06.53 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: i'm beginning to wonder why i try to help you... like you thank for an answer that you don't seem to understand... |
| 16:06.58 | nkuttler | techexo: the location |
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| 16:07.42 | nkuttler | techexo: nm, i just see that /usr/bin/X11/ symlinks to . |
| 16:08.01 | techexo | nkuttler: yes |
| 16:08.01 | RedMushroom | nkuttler: when someone tries to help i'm going to thank them. when someone doesn't kno what they're talking about, or giving me incorrect information, i'm going to go find the right information |
| 16:08.18 | stew | RedMushroom: do you have a question which hasn't yet been answered? |
| 16:08.20 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: are you implying that i give you incorrect information? |
| 16:08.27 | jmoncayo | hey guys, i have been trying to get my bcm4328 wireless to work either with b43 or ndiswrapper and none works :( with ndiswrapper, when i try modprobe ndiswrapper i get a fatal: module not found |
| 16:08.27 | zwerg | dmesg say: "udev: renamed network interface wifi0 to eth1" and after boot there are eth1 and wlan0_rename both with the same mac address and only wlan0_rename works. Any hints to stop it doing that? |
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| 16:08.40 | RedMushroom | nkuttler: i'm going to let you answer that question |
| 16:08.47 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: hint: assume i know what i'm talking about |
| 16:08.53 | RedMushroom | whistles to himself |
| 16:08.53 | stew | RedMushroom: nkuttler: lets just move on |
| 16:09.09 | stew | RedMushroom: if you have a question, just ask it. it looks like your last question was answered |
| 16:09.12 | techexo | nkuttler: for test, i have run X with "startx" (no gdm) ; and it's the same thing |
| 16:09.12 | nkuttler | stew: well... at least he stopped trying to install webmin |
| 16:09.40 | RedMushroom | um, no. i looked at that, saw webmin was the best for me to use, and installed it quite successfully |
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| 16:09.58 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: alright, good luck then |
| 16:10.12 | Kobaz | webmin is okay as long as you don't want to change any config files manually, webmin tends to not like that |
| 16:10.17 | RedMushroom | working well so far, and pretty slick too. |
| 16:10.21 | stew | RedMushroom: we'd strongly suggest not using webmin, its got a bad security history, and there are no existing good debian packages |
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| 16:10.41 | Kobaz | and yeah, firewall off your webmin port |
| 16:10.49 | RedMushroom | Kobaz: yeah, figured that out, but it's pretty good for what i need |
| 16:11.10 | nkuttler | techexo: you're saying X always uses 100%, no matter which wm/dm you use? |
| 16:11.19 | RedMushroom | firewall off the webmin port? what do you mean by that? |
| 16:11.29 | Kobaz | RedMushroom: block access to it from the outside world |
| 16:11.30 | greycat | zwerg: check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and if necessary, edit it by hand. |
| 16:11.42 | techexo | nkuttler: i have'nt understand the question |
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| 16:12.03 | RedMushroom | Kobaz: ah. i get ya. is there a specific port that webmin defaults to? |
| 16:12.08 | Kobaz | 10000 |
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| 16:12.20 | nkuttler | techexo: you should start running the gnome processes one by one and figure out which one is guilty |
| 16:13.01 | zwerg | greycat, Here's my rule file. The only weird rule is about the orinoco driver which is blacklisted in favor of the hostap module: http://pastie.org/459849 |
| 16:13.32 | zwerg | Ah, it's commented. I'm such an idiot. |
| 16:13.34 | RedMushroom | ok. well, i don't have any sort of a firewall installed, but i can easily enough block port 10000 in my router settings |
| 16:14.04 | techexo | nkuttler: how can I run gnome "step by step" ? |
| 16:14.11 | cptblood | then u do have a firewall :p |
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| 16:15.08 | nkuttler | techexo: actually, haven't done that in years... i don't even know if it's still possible |
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| 16:16.01 | RedMushroom | cptblood: true, true lol. although i think of routers more like switches instead of firewalls. |
| 16:16.15 | Kobaz | RedMushroom: iptables is built into the kernel (if it's compiled in, or a module) |
| 16:16.30 | cptblood | switches and routers are completely diff things |
| 16:16.42 | techexo | nkuttler: bad |
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| 16:17.41 | nkuttler | techexo: well, then, don't use gnome atm |
| 16:17.51 | jetscreamer | !greycat++ |
| 16:17.51 | RedMushroom | cptblood: yeah, it's just the way i think of them. when someone says firewall i think zonealarm or something like that |
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| 16:18.16 | greycat | iptables has an in-kernel part and a userspace command part |
| 16:18.23 | cptblood | gotta make a distinguish between crappy software firewall and hw firewalls |
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| 16:18.42 | greycat | All firewalls are software, ultimately. |
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| 16:18.55 | droidcore | sb 10:00 |
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| 16:18.57 | cptblood | ultimately, yes |
| 16:19.04 | RedMushroom | can someone ping me please. i'm running off the schools wireless |
| 16:19.05 | cptblood | but u know what i mean |
| 16:19.11 | greycat | I guess you're trying to say "a separate firewall host vs. a set of firewall rules on your application server" |
| 16:19.38 | cptblood | RedMushroom: they are kinda noobs if they even allow someone to ping an ip from school |
| 16:20.01 | Sebboh | cptblood, yeah 'cause pings are bad, omg. |
| 16:20.03 | RedMushroom | cptblood: it's community college. what can you expect? |
| 16:20.11 | techexo | nkuttler: thanks, i go again over xfce (and sorry for the bad english) |
| 16:20.26 | cptblood | Sebboh: it isnt bad, but it's easy to see if a computer is running, and thus attacking it |
| 16:20.29 | nkuttler | techexo: c'etait pas si mal |
| 16:20.53 | techexo | nkuttler: merci quand même :) |
| 16:21.06 | Sebboh | cptblood, ping was invented before you were born. For a reason. :P |
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| 16:21.32 | cptblood | sigh... im just saying you make the network more insecure if you allow someone to ping you |
| 16:21.54 | grawity | cptblood: I see totally nothing bad in replying to ICMP pings. |
| 16:21.54 | ptit_riton | Anyone is a procmail-master over there ? |
| 16:22.05 | cptblood | okay, guess it's just me then |
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| 16:22.20 | jetscreamer | !ping of death |
| 16:22.20 | dpkg | tolls a 5-meter-bell over of death's head |
| 16:22.24 | jetscreamer | hmm |
| 16:22.32 | ptit_riton | I'm developing a mail archiver which use procmail to restore its messages to users Mailbox |
| 16:22.33 | grawity | jetscreamer: I thought it's fixed years ago. |
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| 16:22.38 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 16:22.39 | ptit_riton | The archiver is called through a procmail rule of that kind "|archiver" |
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| 16:22.49 | grawity | ...anyway, before I'm kicked from trolling, question: I'm getting this email from anacron, everyday: http://sprunge.us/XXTK |
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| 16:23.01 | Old_Spike0 | Great: a libre-kernel for Debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/04/msg00010.html |
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| 16:23.05 | RedMushroom | that's what i was afraid of |
| 16:23.15 | ptit_riton | simple problem, when a message is restored, the archive rule match and the message is archived again and again, I've tried using an environnement variable to specify that this message is a restored one and that the archive rule doesn't have to apply. but I can't access this variable in the procmailrc file |
| 16:23.18 | grawity | ...The autoemail says that logrotate is failing for some reason. |
| 16:23.34 | ptit_riton | ( the procmailrc man specify that all environnement vars are flushed ). Anyone have any idea or not ?? |
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| 16:23.59 | nkuttler | grawity: yes, it even tells you which file fails... have a look at it |
| 16:24.44 | Sebboh | lists.debian.org seems to be down? |
| 16:24.46 | grawity | nkuttler: And if I run /etc/cron.daily/logrotate manually, it also fails for the first time but then it works correctly on subsequent tries. |
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| 16:25.15 | techexo | nkuttler: new try : i have run a "help session" (a terminal...) and run 1/ gnome-panel : Xorg stay normal 2/ metacity : xorg stay normal |
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| 16:26.40 | RedMushroom | i'm looking at http://wakaba.c3.cx/docs/docs.html and it's telling me i need a database backend installed and a DBD driver for wakaba to work. what are they talking about? is that saying i need to have MySQL and then another program and driver that wakaba needs to make use of MySQL, or am i already setup and just need the driver installed? |
| 16:27.21 | techexo | nkuttler: a idea for names gnome's processus ? |
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| 16:28.28 | Baneo | hey guys, i am having a major problem. the root password has someone changed, or it isn't letting me in for some reason (access denied) - i've tried going into rescue mode and changing the shadow file, still, no success - any ideas what could be the problem? |
| 16:28.53 | jetscreamer | !i forgot root's password |
| 16:28.53 | dpkg | 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 16:29.31 | greycat | gods, these factoids haven't changed in years... |
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| 16:29.51 | jetscreamer | some have, but yes you're right |
| 16:30.06 | Baneo | none of that is really that helpful |
| 16:30.17 | jetscreamer | 'should' be |
| 16:30.34 | greycat | Baneo: why isn't it helpful? |
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| 16:30.52 | Baneo | i'm not using grub, i've done fsck, no lilo |
| 16:31.13 | greycat | If you aren't using grub or lilo, how do you boot? What architecture is this? |
| 16:32.04 | jetscreamer | same method, diff bootloader |
| 16:32.12 | jetscreamer | adapt it is what i mean |
| 16:32.43 | magyar_ | anyone using samba and ldap with lenny, I am stuck with no way out |
| 16:32.46 | Baneo | etch 4.0 lenny |
| 16:32.54 | greycat | Baneo: on i386? |
| 16:33.09 | greycat | also, "lenny" and "etch" are not the same. It's one or the other, or neither, but it can't be both. |
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| 16:33.42 | balzac | hello |
| 16:33.46 | Baneo | i386 yeah |
| 16:33.57 | greycat | if you installed under etch OR lenny on i386, you're using grub |
| 16:33.59 | balzac | I'm trying to restrict access to a user account to their home directory |
| 16:34.07 | greycat | unless you manually intervened in the install process |
| 16:34.17 | jetscreamer | or after |
| 16:34.38 | Baneo | no i haven't :) |
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| 16:34.46 | jetscreamer | blue box on boot, choose os's to boot? |
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| 16:34.50 | greycat | Baneo: so you should get a black-and-blue GRUB menu during the boot |
| 16:34.54 | jetscreamer | what he said |
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| 16:35.06 | Baneo | greycat: im only connecting via ssh |
| 16:35.19 | greycat | Baneo: then login as a NON-ROOT USER. |
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| 16:35.45 | Baneo | yeah, of course i'm tryign that |
| 16:35.52 | Baneo | i need to change the root password, ive tried shadow/passwd |
| 16:35.59 | Baneo | (it has worked on the other machines) |
| 16:36.05 | greycat | login, use "su" to become root, then type "passwd root". |
| 16:36.07 | Baneo | it is not working for this one in particular, i have no idea why |
| 16:36.19 | Baneo | it can't - it asks for the root password to do su |
| 16:36.22 | greycat | or if you prefer, login, then type "sudo passwd root". |
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| 16:36.29 | Baneo | and always returns access denied |
| 16:36.33 | greycat | Baneo: yes, at which point you type the root password. |
| 16:36.51 | Baneo | yes, which i don't seem to know 'apparently' |
| 16:36.54 | themill | Baneo: how are you editing /etc/shadow if you don't know the root password? |
| 16:36.58 | Baneo | even though i've not changed it |
| 16:37.02 | Baneo | through rescue mode |
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| 16:37.15 | themill | Baneo: How are you booting rescue mode? |
| 16:37.16 | greycat | How are you getting into "rescue mode" if you are only accessing it via ssh and not on the console? |
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| 16:37.28 | beardy | ! |
| 16:37.32 | Baneo | booting into ram |
| 16:37.35 | Baneo | with live OS |
| 16:37.39 | Baneo | then mounting the drive |
| 16:37.48 | greycat | And forgetting to chroot into it, I bet. |
| 16:37.52 | Baneo | no |
| 16:37.54 | Baneo | i'm chrooting |
| 16:38.00 | greycat | Then just type "passwd root". |
| 16:38.08 | greycat | Don't try editing the files by hand. |
| 16:38.29 | Baneo | i'll try again :] |
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| 16:38.58 | Sh4wn | Hi, I'm trying to pin some package in /etc/apt/preferences to be installed from the testing release instead of stable. So I searched google a bit and found out it can be done with package pinning. So I created a preferences file containing this: http://pastebin.com/d781ebe1b |
| 16:39.16 | Sh4wn | but when I do apt-get install cherokee it still uses the old version from stable |
| 16:39.17 | Sebboh | I can't reach lists.debian.org from here. Is it down for everybody or is it just my ISP? |
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| 16:40.12 | Sh4wn | nope doesn't work here too Sebboh |
| 16:40.22 | Baneo | greycat: just to make sure i'm not going to make a mistake and do it by the book, i simply want to reboot the machine? |
| 16:40.31 | Baneo | i've updated while chroot |
| 16:40.49 | jetscreamer | hmm i did apt-get install stuff... i got UDF-fs: No VRS found ... installing with dvd as source |
| 16:40.52 | greycat | If you're feeling paranoid, you can exit from the chroot, type "sync" to flush the FS buffers, unmount the file system, and then reboot. |
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| 16:41.03 | greycat | You can also cat the passwd and shadow files to make sure it looks sane. |
| 16:41.17 | greycat | (Before unmounting, obviously.) |
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| 16:42.15 | paul424 | hi is there some defualt sql server that I can run as a client ? |
| 16:42.23 | gravity | paul424: sqlite3 rocks |
| 16:42.28 | gravity | hugs sqlite |
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| 16:43.07 | atragor | hello |
| 16:43.11 | gravity | Assuming that's what you mean. It's not really clear terminology. |
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| 16:43.43 | hughszg | E:Encountered a section with no Package: header, E:Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status, |
| 16:43.57 | hughszg | I've googled but got no valid advice. |
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| 16:44.11 | hughszg | Could you please kindly advise? |
| 16:44.22 | hughszg | A little bit urgent. thanks. |
| 16:44.25 | atragor | is it possible to Ð°Ñ |
| 16:44.30 | atragor | sorry |
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| 16:44.51 | anddam | np, I'm utf8 compliant |
| 16:45.02 | nkuttler | hughszg: paste the whole error and your command |
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| 16:45.35 | hughszg | nkuttler: the else is in chinese |
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| 16:45.52 | atragor | is it possible to forbid apt adding installed package (e.g. httpd) to runlevels? |
| 16:45.52 | hughszg | Could not initialize the package information |
| 16:45.53 | hughszg | An unresolvable problem occurred while initializing the package information. |
| 16:45.53 | hughszg | Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the following error message: |
| 16:45.53 | hughszg | 'E:Encountered a section with no Package: header, E:Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status, E:æ æ³è§£æææå¼è½¯ä»¶å
çå表ææ¯ç¶ææ件ã' |
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| 16:46.40 | rudi_s | Hi. If I setgid a directory ls prints drwxr-s--- but if I create a directory in this one it prints drwx--S---, what is the difference between s and S? |
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| 16:48.15 | nkuttler | !tell hughszg about paste |
| 16:48.16 | hughszg | nkuttler: are you there? |
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| 16:48.23 | nkuttler | !tell hughszg about localized errors |
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| 16:49.11 | hughszg | nkuttler: the chinese says E: unable to parse or open package list or status file |
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| 16:50.40 | hughszg | #flood E: Encountered a section with no Package: header |
| 16:50.41 | hughszg | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 16:50.41 | hughszg | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 16:50.41 | hughszg | E: _cache->open() failed, please report. |
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| 16:51.19 | alexfer | debian-es |
| 16:51.28 | muh2000 | how much diskspace do i need for a debian mirror (x86 and amd64) ? |
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| 16:53.11 | hackman127 | I have a Debian LAMP server and I'm trying to install php5-imagick. I have imagemagick installed, and when I try to install php5-imagick, I get this error: php5-imagick: Depends: libmagick10 but it is not installable E: Broken packages |
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| 16:53.45 | hughszg | nkuttler: may I have your advice? |
| 16:54.02 | stew | hackman127: show us the output of "apt-cache policy php5-imagick libmagick10" |
| 16:54.18 | stew | hackman127: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:55.21 | hackman127 | stew: http://pastebin.adamthree.com/51 |
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| 16:56.11 | stew | hackman127: realize that running a publicly accessible LAMP server on unstable is insane |
| 16:56.17 | stew | judd: versions libmagick10 |
| 16:56.18 | judd | stew: libmagick10 -- etch-backports: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg1-3~lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny1 squeeze: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1 |
| 16:56.32 | stew | judd: versions libmagick11 |
| 16:56.32 | judd | stew: libmagick11 -- |
| 16:56.53 | stew | hackman127: but yes, it appears that there is no libmagick10 in unstable currently |
| 16:57.00 | themill | welcome to sid.... |
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| 16:57.31 | hackman127 | stew: So where do I go from here? I'm relatively new to Debian |
| 16:57.48 | stew | hackman127: why are you running unstable? |
| 16:58.15 | hackman127 | stew: I'm not sure. I wasn't teh one who set the server up. :-) |
| 16:58.36 | stew | hackman127: then I'd recommend reinstalling debian using lenny the current 'stable' releease of debian |
| 16:59.04 | nkuttler | hughszg: paste the whole error and your command |
| 16:59.06 | nkuttler | !tell hughszg about paste |
| 16:59.08 | nkuttler | !tell hughszg about localized errors |
| 16:59.15 | hackman127 | stew: That's not really an option. |
| 17:00.03 | themill | hackman127: that will be much easier than trying to cope with that machine in its current state. |
| 17:00.33 | stew | hackman127: ok, then well, you figure outhackman127: ok, then well, you figure out why libmagick10 is no longer in unstable, see if its becuase of a current transition. then decide if there is a newer version available you could recompile php5-imagick against |
| 17:00.37 | stew | hackman127: check the bts |
| 17:01.30 | hughszg | nkuttler: i plan to reinstall the os, tks. |
| 17:01.33 | hughszg | bye |
| 17:01.36 | hughszg | :) |
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| 17:03.46 | simonrvn | witf ? |
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| 17:05.28 | jetscreamer | UDF-fs: no VRS found ... ? |
| 17:06.36 | jetscreamer | udf wants a virtual richard stallman? |
| 17:06.41 | jetscreamer | stahllman? |
| 17:06.52 | jetscreamer | oh that's rms |
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| 17:07.34 | nkuttler | vrms |
| 17:07.35 | jetscreamer | stallman |
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| 17:08.17 | hackman127 | stew: Thanks for the help |
| 17:08.35 | stew | hackman127: looks like libmagick changed sonames |
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| 17:08.57 | stew | hackman127: so php5-imagick perhaps just needs a binnmu, check -release |
| 17:09.03 | jetscreamer | gravity: yes plz no depends on (udev or hal or whatever it was) |
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| 17:09.26 | gravity | sighs |
| 17:09.36 | jetscreamer | just adding to the wishlist |
| 17:09.38 | stew | hackman127: oh, no the -dev changed too, so it will need a new upload |
| 17:09.46 | stew | jetscreamer: keep wishing |
| 17:09.46 | gravity | I'm sick of people's fucking wishlists |
| 17:10.00 | hackman127 | ok |
| 17:10.01 | gravity | The more people pile it on, the more of a priority it is for me to do other things |
| 17:10.11 | jetscreamer | i noted in the bugs or whatever that it was already under consideration |
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| 17:10.29 | ciphergoth | Anyone here set up a RAIDed system with grub so it can boot from either drive? I think I'm most of the way there, but when I try to boot with one of the drives pulled out the BIOS says "Operating System not found" |
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| 17:10.33 | jetscreamer | not trying to bug you about it |
| 17:10.54 | gravity | I wrote up an entire fucking wiki page describing in great detail what hal is doing and why it's being used. And the wishlists still keep coming. |
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| 17:11.21 | jetscreamer | well if they'd fix udev... :) |
| 17:11.30 | gravity | udev is fine |
| 17:11.33 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 17:11.50 | gravity | Really, it is these days |
| 17:11.53 | jetscreamer | i humbly beg to differ (disk devices may change on reboot) |
| 17:12.04 | ciphergoth | This is a brand new Lenny system; I've tried following the advice on http://www.howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch-p3 but it's not working for me |
| 17:12.05 | gravity | You can configure it to not do that |
| 17:12.11 | jetscreamer | i just installed lenny... and reinstalled lenny after taking my addin controller out |
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| 17:12.34 | jetscreamer | anyway, not filing a bug atm |
| 17:12.37 | jetscreamer | so ignore me :) |
| 17:13.05 | Baneo | greycat: can i pm you? still having trouble |
| 17:13.11 | greycat | no |
| 17:13.21 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 17:13.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 17:13.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, ignore jetscreamer |
| 17:13.55 | dpkg | sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, jetscreamer" |
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| 17:19.03 | jpinx-eeepc | udev randomly moves around my devices on removal/replacement making life "interestign" |
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| 17:19.59 | jetscreamer | that's not a bug, it's a FEATURE!!! |
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| 17:20.22 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
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| 17:20.28 | jpinx-eeepc | !feature |
| 17:20.28 | dpkg | A feature is something that a piece of hardware or software is designed to do. Many things that appear to be bugs are actually features. Often, a hardware or software developer will have to make a tradeoff in functionality that causes some undesirable effects. If they are aware of this and accept it, it is not a bug, but a feature. |
| 17:20.37 | jpinx-eeepc | !bug |
| 17:20.38 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges>. |
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| 17:21.13 | jmoncayo | anyone here has configured bcm43xx with ndiswrapper successfully? |
| 17:21.14 | ciphergoth | how does grub choose numbers for hard drives? |
| 17:21.23 | ciphergoth | is hd0 always the drive it booted grub from? |
| 17:21.34 | greycat | I think it depends on the BIOS and other stuff. |
| 17:21.37 | jpinx-eeepc | ciphergoth: it starts from 0 |
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| 17:22.02 | ciphergoth | so if one of my hard drives fails, the other one will become 0? |
| 17:22.04 | Braunne | jmoncayo: u dont need ndiswrapper |
| 17:22.05 | jetscreamer | unless you have >1 controller card, 0 is the first hd |
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| 17:22.15 | jetscreamer | if you have >1, it depends |
| 17:22.17 | jpinx-eeepc | ciphergoth: no |
| 17:22.22 | greycat | ciphergoth: only if it fails in such a way that the boot loader can't detect its presence at all |
| 17:22.41 | jetscreamer | it's not bios dependant afaict |
| 17:22.44 | jmoncayo | Braunne: so? i tried the b43 module and it didnt work |
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| 17:23.04 | ciphergoth | so pulling the drives out is a poor simulator of what will happen if one fails? |
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| 17:23.13 | Braunne | jmoncayo: from synaptic get the following package: b43-fwcutter |
| 17:23.22 | jetscreamer | sometimes a drive can fail but stil lit's detected |
| 17:23.47 | jmoncayo | Braunne: i did aptituted install b43-fwcutter |
| 17:23.58 | jpinx-eeepc | ciphergoth: gurb is written, it doesn't detect anything at boot-time |
| 17:24.08 | jpinx-eeepc | *grub |
| 17:24.09 | Braunne | jmoncayo: what version? |
| 17:24.30 | greycat | Hmm, maybe I don't know as much about grub as I thought. |
| 17:24.35 | ciphergoth | jpinx-eeepc: I just want it to be able to boot even after I take out one of the two raided drives |
| 17:24.39 | jmoncayo | Braunne: 011 |
| 17:24.48 | jetscreamer | i had a 'crash' course in grub |
| 17:24.53 | greycat | ciphergoth: maybe beyond the scope of #debian. Try #grub. |
| 17:24.53 | jpinx-eeepc | ciphergoth: raided I know nothing about |
| 17:25.05 | Braunne | jmoncayo: I have 011-5 and it worked flawlessly |
| 17:25.07 | ciphergoth | greycat: will do, thanks! |
| 17:25.26 | jmoncayo | Braunne: where did u get that version from? |
| 17:25.34 | jetscreamer | bails |
| 17:25.37 | jpinx-eeepc | but when you configure grub it writes a file with definitive values of where your drives are, so if you mess them around, it'll probably not work |
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| 17:26.17 | jpinx-eeepc | unless you happily insert another bootable drive into the right place ciphergoth |
| 17:26.18 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: which file is that? |
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| 17:26.20 | jmoncayo | Braunne: in the synaptic |
| 17:26.20 | jmoncayo | :) |
| 17:26.40 | Braunne | jmoncayo: contrib non-free repo i think.. lemme check |
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| 17:26.45 | jmoncayo | Braunne: should i uninstall the one i have right now or will it update itself? |
| 17:26.47 | ciphergoth | jpinx-eeepc: this server is going into hosting; it would help a lot if it would keep working until one of us can get to it |
| 17:26.58 | jmoncayo | Braunne: i did find it in the synaptic 11-05 |
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| 17:27.22 | Braunne | jmoncayo: go ahead and install it, no need to uninstall first |
| 17:28.01 | jpinx-eeepc | ciphergoth: I only know about single drives, not raid |
| 17:28.25 | ciphergoth | jpinx-eeepc: I don't think it's really a RAID problem. Grub can read the FS just fine |
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| 17:28.51 | jmoncayo | Braunne: it keeps saying 011 |
| 17:29.00 | Braunne | jmoncayo: hmm |
| 17:29.05 | jmoncayo | b43-fwcutter --version |
| 17:29.32 | greycat | ciphergoth: Assuming the machine can boot from the second drive in a RAID 1 set in the event the first one fails completely, you'd need a /boot/grub on the second drive for it to read from. And I don't know what else. |
| 17:29.35 | Braunne | jmoncayo: mine says that too |
| 17:29.53 | ciphergoth | there's a /boot/grub on both drives |
| 17:30.00 | jmoncayo | Braunne: lol |
| 17:30.03 | ciphergoth | because I've got RAID 1 on /boot |
| 17:30.05 | jmoncayo | Braunne: ok what now? |
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| 17:30.24 | jpinx-eeepc | ciphergoth: I'm stuck - but you'll get more out of #grub -- and man grub (obviously) |
| 17:30.30 | greycat | hopefully #grub can help you with the rest |
| 17:30.38 | Braunne | jmoncayo: beats me |
| 17:30.42 | ciphergoth | #grub says install grub2 :-) |
| 17:30.49 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
| 17:30.57 | jmoncayo | Braunne: once installed if should work? |
| 17:31.12 | Braunne | jmoncayo: immediately |
| 17:31.15 | jpinx-eeepc | ciphergoth: there ya go ;) |
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| 17:31.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ciphergoth, but you also need to write to the bootsectors or MBRs of both disks... |
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| 17:31.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ciphergoth, else, booting from disk2 of course doesn't work |
| 17:32.00 | ciphergoth | CutMeOwnThroat: I thought I'd done that, but obviously not |
| 17:32.06 | jpinx-eeepc | I was about to say - you need MBR's all up-to-date too ciperg |
| 17:32.16 | jmoncayo | Braunne: it doesnt |
| 17:32.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like you didn't at least... |
| 17:32.26 | jmoncayo | Braunne: which broadcome do u have? |
| 17:33.20 | ltunes001 | hi, i need help with using the rest of the piece of screen i have in a lenovo notebook.. its 1024x576 and 0x0 to 200x576 is dead (right corner) my question how can i (with xrandr) maybe do something like virutal srceen from pixel 200x0 to 1024 x576_ |
| 17:33.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ciphergoth, tell #grub you don't want to run untested beta software that hasn't been in use for 10 years yet :-P |
| 17:33.49 | enouf | heh |
| 17:34.01 | Braunne | jmoncayo: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) |
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| 17:34.10 | enouf | lspci -nn |
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| 17:34.17 | enouf | you want the pciid |
| 17:34.36 | enouf | eww broadcom - /msg dpkg bcm43xx |
| 17:34.40 | jmoncayo | 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 03) |
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| 17:35.16 | jmoncayo | enouf: i have been trying to get my broadcom to work since yesterday and not even ndiswrapper help :( |
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| 17:36.11 | ltunes001 | jmoncayo, i have broadcom b43 type x15 forget about injection or using it with airmon or aircrack... there is a patch to use it with the wl module and use it in networkmanager but not more |
| 17:36.17 | Braunne | jmoncayo: this is the package Im using : lenny : b43-fwcutter (1:011-5) [contrib] |
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| 17:37.06 | ltunes001 | if u have other version of b43 type then check out the broadcom webpage and follow the steps about injection because this fwcutter is a real mess |
| 17:37.13 | abrotman | ltunes001: which video card is in the laptop ? |
| 17:37.20 | cahoot | jmoncayo: bcm4328 isn't supported by b43, http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
| 17:37.35 | Braunne | oh! |
| 17:37.45 | jmoncayo | all i have left is ndiswrapper and it wont work either |
| 17:37.45 | jmoncayo | :( |
| 17:38.37 | Braunne | jmoncayo: sorry to hear that |
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| 17:39.23 | ltunes001 | abrotman, i checked video card with ibm technicain here in croatia.. secondary output works allright (graphic chipset intel 945 gm something) lcd panel crystal dont have damage (i think) maybe the cabel or the point sticking the cable to mainboard but i am not sure.. the ibm technician here in croatia has no spareparts for lenovos... |
| 17:39.58 | greycat | "the ibm tech in croatia"... sounds like there's just one in the whole country |
| 17:40.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, what do you know... |
| 17:40.11 | abrotman | to service the one computer? |
| 17:40.12 | abrotman | runs |
| 17:40.14 | jmoncayo | how can i uninstall the b43-fwcutter from my system with all the files it installed? |
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| 17:40.31 | enouf | Braunne: follow correct link for your card/version and kernel versions http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2009/02/msg00006.html |
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| 17:40.42 | ltunes001 | greycat, well he is the only one for ibm and cisco (at least here in dubrovnik) and he is postive no where in croatia are lenovo spare parts:) |
| 17:40.45 | abrotman | ltunes001: make sure your X resolution matches the native screen resolution |
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| 17:41.20 | greycat | ah, yes, the "fun" of trying to determine what a laptop's actual screen resolution is |
| 17:41.29 | ltunes001 | abrotman, the problem is from bios it's not x... there is somewhere physical damage either the monitor cable or the lcd.. but i think the former |
| 17:41.29 | Athas | What's the completely 100% certain way to start a working instance of Xorg on Debian Unstable? |
| 17:41.32 | datacrusher | http://software.silicon.com/applications/0,39024653,39131277,00.htm |
| 17:41.41 | abrotman | ltunes001: but the display fills the screen? |
| 17:41.43 | Athas | It seems that Xorg has been severely wounded since last time I messed around with it. |
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| 17:41.51 | greycat | Athas: buy hardware known to work with Lenny, install Lenny, login, type startx |
| 17:42.04 | Athas | I'd prefer to get this previously-working setup to work again. |
| 17:42.15 | ltunes001 | yes, X-server and stuff is all ok, the resolution is 1024x576 which is allright with X |
| 17:42.16 | stew | Athas: there is no 100% certain way. the easiest is to try removing or renaming /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 17:42.17 | abrotman | Athas: a good way to start is to move your xorg.conf out of the way .. let it guess .. if you have custom stuff, set it up later |
| 17:42.26 | Athas | Hell, I'm willing to use a non-fglrx driver for my Ati card, but the fact that even VESA crashes is really demoralising. |
| 17:42.33 | stew | Athas: if you want to try an older xorg.conf, look for a backup xorg.conf in /etc/X11 and rename it |
| 17:42.33 | Athas | Empty configuration file just stalls the entire machine as well. |
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| 17:43.04 | Athas | Debian used to have really good tools for generating configuration files, but they just create dummy files now. |
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| 17:43.15 | Athas | That saddens me a bit. |
| 17:43.19 | ltunes001 | abrotman, the problem is the pixels from 0x0 to 200x576 (X/Y coordinates from top left corner) |
| 17:43.37 | abrotman | ltunes001: tried the other OS? |
| 17:43.39 | stew | Athas: well, xorg no longer needs a configuration file, so specifying one that might work in fewer situations is not good either |
| 17:43.40 | abrotman | or a liveCD? |
| 17:43.47 | stew | Athas: you can also try "X -configure" |
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| 17:43.54 | Athas | stew: needs one on my machine, apparently. I will try that. |
| 17:44.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Athas, no configuration will help you with stale libs though |
| 17:44.26 | stew | Athas: if you had an xorg.conf that worked with an older version, it should still work |
| 17:44.30 | greycat | or broken proprietary fglrx drivers |
| 17:44.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... except it disalbles them |
| 17:44.44 | Athas | It doesn't, but I'm willing to put that down to fglrx not working. |
| 17:44.52 | ltunes001 | they seem to be dead but if i apply "hacker method" pressing it with cloth while off and turning on shows me lcd is good, and yes i have grub and vista also same problem there.. its from the beginning when turning on |
| 17:44.53 | Athas | I'm willing to blame Ati/AMD for that, though. |
| 17:45.20 | greycat | ltunes001: certainly sounds like hardware. |
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| 17:45.38 | abrotman | ltunes001: okay .. so i'm confused what you want #debian to fix about it? |
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| 17:45.53 | ltunes001 | well thanks greycat:) |
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| 17:46.08 | Athas | Woah, why does my system have a bunch of drivers installed for hardware that has never been near it? |
| 17:46.14 | greycat | That's normal. |
| 17:46.21 | ltunes001 | well i need a workaround with xrandr to let it use the remaing alife space, abrotman |
| 17:46.21 | abrotman | Athas: aptitude install xorg .. grabs them all |
| 17:46.23 | Athas | Some time ago, X was crashing hard because it tried to use the fbdev-driver, that was fixed after I removed it. |
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| 17:46.46 | Athas | So my opinion of Xorg's ability to self-configure and be smart is extremely negative. |
| 17:46.49 | greycat | ltunes001: try #xorg |
| 17:46.50 | abrotman | ltunes001: i think you're going to spend way way too much time mucking with it .. you're basically saying you want to use the remaining space as your total screen area? |
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| 17:46.52 | ltunes001 | like make it 800x576 and start to display at pixel 200x0 (left conrner) |
| 17:46.53 | Athas | I better remove all those. |
| 17:47.09 | ltunes001 | abrotman, i guess that's it |
| 17:47.12 | abrotman | ltunes001: i agree with greycat .. go to #xorg and ask them if what you're proposing is possible |
| 17:47.20 | ltunes001 | ok cheers |
| 17:47.25 | ltunes001 | bye |
| 17:47.35 | greycat | #debian isn't the best source of answers to highly nonstandard non-Debian problems like this |
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| 17:47.58 | Athas | How does my system have to be setup for the radeonhd driver to work? |
| 17:48.04 | greycat | ... which doesn't mean you have to /part #debian... |
| 17:48.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, slightly late... |
| 17:48.24 | abrotman | my irc client only handles one channel at a time! |
| 17:48.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | telnet? |
| 17:48.47 | Athas | Oh, and is there a way to make X not crash so hard? |
| 17:48.49 | greycat | abrotman: vi /etc/inittab, add another VT, telinit q, login on the new VT, launch another telnet! |
| 17:49.07 | azeem_ | greycat: what if he uses ERC? |
| 17:49.07 | Athas | I suspect the reason is that X will gluttonously eat the keystrokes, preventing me from switching back to a virtual console. |
| 17:49.17 | azeem_ | you can't run emacs twice, it's against the law! |
| 17:49.28 | greycat | s/twice/once/ |
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| 17:50.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !start an editor war |
| 17:50.10 | dpkg | pico is known to repel members of the opposite sex |
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| 17:51.43 | greycat | dpkg: start an editor war =~ s/the opposite sex/your preferred sex/ |
| 17:51.43 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 17:52.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | eww |
| 17:52.38 | orioni | i cant configure snmpd to be launched from xinetd |
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| 17:52.59 | orioni | the first connection is OK ,, but the others are passed directly to the snmpd |
| 17:53.15 | orioni | netstat -nulp shows :161 snmpd instead of xinetd |
| 17:53.31 | orioni | and then i cant stop the snmpd |
| 17:53.35 | enouf | Athas: there's a #radeon here ; but /msg dpkg radeonhd vs radeon |
| 17:53.45 | orioni | any help ? |
| 17:54.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | "how do we make a factoid worse" |
| 17:54.05 | enouf | judd versions openbsd-inetd |
| 17:54.06 | judd | enouf: openbsd-inetd -- etch: 0.20050402-6 lenny: 0.20080125-2 sid: 0.20080125-2 squeeze: 0.20080125-2 |
| 17:55.13 | enouf | 'not crash so hard' sounds like you need to learn about the magic sysrq :-p |
| 17:55.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | or cushions |
| 17:55.28 | greycat | dpkg, radeonhd vs radeon is <reply>see radeon vs radeonhd |
| 17:55.29 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 17:55.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | (aspirin?) |
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| 17:56.08 | enouf | i thought of that too .. sigh |
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| 17:57.31 | Athas | How do I prevent xdm from starting when I boot in the default runlevel? |
| 17:57.38 | greycat | rm /etc/rc2.d/S*xdm |
| 17:57.42 | enouf | !nodm |
| 17:57.42 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 17:58.11 | enouf | or just choose a console from the menus |
| 17:58.27 | Athas | Yeah, well, but my X has been broken since I foolishly broke my rule never to update anything... |
| 17:58.36 | greycat | I would assume from the context of his previous questions that there is no usable "menu". |
| 17:58.40 | Athas | I'm tired of booting in single-user mode. |
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| 17:58.53 | abrotman | Athas: that seems silly when running unstable |
| 17:58.56 | enouf | i would rename the symlinks, since i want the NN to be the same, not the defaults update-rc.d uses |
| 17:59.07 | Athas | I believe /etc/X11/default-display-manager is that I will touch. |
| 17:59.15 | enouf | (once and when one re-enables their DM) |
| 17:59.16 | greycat | renaming is good, too - just make sure it does not begin with "S" |
| 17:59.24 | Athas | abrotman: well, I was running Testing. Which I updated. Then everything broke. |
| 17:59.39 | Athas | It looked like there were a bunch of mutually incompatible module versions, so I decided to upgrade to unstable. |
| 17:59.40 | enouf | make SNN -> KNN |
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| 18:00.57 | Athas | My favorite part of my X-troubles has to be that there are no relevant error messages in the logs. |
| 18:01.22 | enouf | tried ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 18:01.44 | Athas | Isn't that just for clients? |
| 18:01.53 | Athas | It only contains a bunch of stuff from when I ran GNOME a while back. |
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| 18:02.05 | enouf | just a thought |
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| 18:02.59 | Athas | Xorg couldn't possibly be confused by the fact that I use a high-resolution framebuffer, right? |
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| 18:03.09 | enouf | heh |
| 18:03.17 | Athas | It never has been before, but then again, it also used to work. |
| 18:03.21 | enouf | you're using fglrx too? |
| 18:03.29 | amphi | shudders |
| 18:03.36 | Athas | No, but I used to. Now I just want any kind of X at all. |
| 18:03.44 | enouf | vesa |
| 18:03.50 | Athas | Not even VESA works, not even an empty configuration file works. |
| 18:04.04 | enouf | !break Athas |
| 18:04.04 | greycat | 13:42 Athas> Hell, I'm willing to use a non-fglrx driver for my Ati card, but the fact that even VESA crashes is really demoralising. |
| 18:04.05 | dpkg | tells Athas how to replace stable with unstable in his sources.list |
| 18:04.06 | Athas | Just a black, unresponsive screen. |
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| 18:04.23 | arsenip | gah |
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| 18:04.33 | arsenip | pidgin is really good, just lacks voice/webcam support |
| 18:04.42 | arsenip | which is one of those features you either use regularly, or dont ever use |
| 18:04.45 | Athas | Under normal circumstances, my question would indeed be "how do I fix fglrx," but I have completely given up on that for the time being. |
| 18:04.51 | arsenip | meaning that half the bloody potential users wont use it for lack of features :( |
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| 18:05.06 | Athas | As the module doesn't load, and google searches suggest that it's Ati's fault. |
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| 18:05.40 | abrotman | arsenip: Telepathy? |
| 18:06.03 | enouf | arsenip: it won't even do google-chat? ,,,er ,, not sure if that includes video/webcam though - i think it's XMPP or whatever but doesn't do telephony like skype et al do |
| 18:06.08 | Athas | Well, time to see if anything works. |
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| 18:06.47 | arsenip | not seen that before, abrotman |
| 18:06.56 | arsenip | althoguht to be brutally honest, im running windows on this box anyway |
| 18:07.09 | enouf | please don't make me fire up the bloated and dog-assed slow KonqOut and enter my gmail account to find out |
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| 18:08.29 | abrotman | arsenip: i'm not sure that should matter .. but okay |
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| 18:08.37 | arsenip | well, there is google talk, but that requires all of my MSN contact list move over to google talk? unless google talk connects to msn network?:P |
| 18:09.21 | enouf | refuses to discuss anything redmond in here |
| 18:09.46 | arsenip | fair. |
| 18:10.22 | arsenip | i always really liked gaim/pidgin but .. girlfriend wanting webcam means .. amsn :( |
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| 18:10.39 | linduxed | ive got a list of files to delete that are only newline separated, how do i pass that list to rm? |
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| 18:11.18 | magyar_ | hi, trying to change a password for a user with ldap and getting "Failed to modify UNIX password: attribute 'shadowLastChange' not allowed at /usr/sbin/smbldap-passwd line 285, <STDIN> line 2." |
| 18:11.33 | Athas | Oh man, it started up with VESA! Next problem: it started up with VESA, and the resolution is dumb. |
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| 18:12.09 | Athas | How are you supposed to configure this new, fancy configurationless Xorg? |
| 18:12.25 | Athas | I am already seriously stressed out by CAPS LOCK not being CTRL as I'm used to. |
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| 18:13.02 | hjb | linduxed: cat <listfile> | xargs rm ? |
| 18:13.07 | greycat | Gods, no. |
| 18:13.25 | greycat | linduxed: while read -r; do rm "$REPLY"; done < yourfile |
| 18:13.42 | greycat | xargs rm will break in at least 3 ways. |
| 18:13.57 | hjb | greycat: please explain :) |
| 18:14.12 | greycat | Spaces, single quotes and double quotes will all give it a conniption. |
| 18:14.17 | linduxed | greycat: yeah i tried xargs it didnt work |
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| 18:14.37 | hjb | greycat: ok, right |
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| 18:15.26 | greycat | But the best thing would have been not to put the filenames into a file in the first place. You presumably generated them with find, so just have find call -exec rm {} \; in the first place. |
| 18:16.10 | linduxed | greycat: how do i push sudo into that command? |
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| 18:16.17 | greycat | sudo rm |
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| 18:16.36 | hjb | linduxed: that sounds dangerous |
| 18:17.04 | greycat | How did you generate this list of filenames? |
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| 18:17.51 | jvm | hi. i am trying to get ssh x11 forwarding working, and i am not very successful. i set X11Forwarding to yes, on the server, restarted it, and connected using only the -x option. when i try to start 'gedit' i get '(gedit:4610): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:'. what did i forget? |
| 18:18.05 | trupheenix | i have a bluetooth device BCM2045. i can't seem to figure out how to turn it off. it remains on all the time. powertop also is unable to shut it off |
| 18:18.13 | greycat | jvm: should be the -X option (capital) |
| 18:18.16 | hoxu | jvm, -x disables X11 forwarding in ssh |
| 18:18.17 | asg | jvm: -x disables forwarding |
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| 18:18.27 | linduxed | greycat: thx, it worked |
| 18:18.28 | Gun_Smoke | anyone remember the name of the package that helps clean up email headers misquotes and long signatures? |
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| 18:18.46 | rudi_s | Gun_Smoke: t-prot (for mutt) |
| 18:18.54 | linduxed | greycat: so i should use that command for list-deletes? |
| 18:18.57 | Gun_Smoke | rudi_s, thats it!.. thanks. |
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| 18:19.02 | rudi_s | Gun_Smoke: np |
| 18:19.06 | greycat | linduxed: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/001 |
| 18:19.31 | trupheenix | can anyone help me turn off my bluetooth device? BCM2045. i can't seem to get it to turn off by stopping bluetooth services. |
| 18:19.57 | jvm | greycat, hoxu, asg: thanks. it works with -X. |
| 18:21.10 | linduxed | greycat: thx, but why is xargs so bad? i mean, when i see someone demonstrating a list-delete, i generally see xargs |
| 18:21.29 | greycat | xargs breaks its input into words at whitespace, and it uses quotes to delimit words as well. |
| 18:21.53 | dondelelcaro | there's nothing wrong with using xargs correctly, but most people don't |
| 18:22.13 | linduxed | so xargs aint bad as long as you pass a list thats compatible with xargs? |
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| 18:22.20 | hjb | dondelelcaro: please explain, as that was my first thought, too |
| 18:22.22 | greycat | As far as I'm concerned, xargs *cannot* be used correctly unless your input is NUL-delimited instead of newline-delimited. |
| 18:22.34 | dondelelcaro | greycat: exactly |
| 18:22.51 | dondelelcaro | hjb: if you're not using xargs -0, odds are you're not using xargs correctly. |
| 18:22.53 | greycat | imadev:~$ echo "don't can't isn't won't" | xargs -n1 echo |
| 18:22.53 | greycat | dont cant |
| 18:22.53 | greycat | isnt wont |
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| 18:24.14 | linduxed | omg |
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| 18:24.14 | dondelelcaro | echo "don't can't isn't won't" | xargs -d'\n' -n1 echo |
| 18:24.15 | dondelelcaro | don't can't isn't won't |
| 18:24.16 | linduxed | that worked |
| 18:24.21 | greycat | Not here it didn't. |
| 18:24.29 | greycat | I get three lines of error. |
| 18:24.37 | dondelelcaro | greycat: which version of xargs? |
| 18:24.40 | greycat | (Non-Debian system.) |
| 18:24.50 | hjb | works nice here |
| 18:24.51 | dondelelcaro | greycat: ah; yeah, not everything supports -d, I think |
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| 18:25.11 | xingu | things that don't support -d frequently also don't support -0 |
| 18:25.25 | linduxed | interestning, ive never thought about xargs messing up |
| 18:25.42 | greycat | By the way, OpenBSD's xargs has -0 but not -d. |
| 18:25.53 | greycat | The one I actually tested was HP-UX. |
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| 18:26.09 | hjb | what's the POSIX std saying about xargs behaviour btw regarding this? |
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| 18:26.41 | greycat | POSIX has neither -d nor -0 |
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| 18:26.47 | greycat | http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/xargs.html#tag_20_158 |
| 18:26.51 | xingu | hjb: it says "open-code a while read x; do; done" loop. |
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| 18:27.23 | _anna | Hello, I am using Debian Testing and Flashplayer has stopped to work. Is that a known issue? |
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| 18:27.30 | hjb | greycat xingu ok |
| 18:28.05 | greycat | _anna: check bugs.debian.org/flashplayer first |
| 18:28.08 | xingu | xargs -I looks like the go. |
| 18:28.21 | xingu | unless your filenames contain newlines |
| 18:28.24 | _anna | greycat: thanks i will |
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| 18:28.45 | greycat | if your filenames contain newlines, then your newline-delimited list is corrupted from the beginning and you can't possibly read it correctly |
| 18:28.52 | xingu | s/unless/until/ I suppose; it's a self-selecting system which will produce the exception given sufficient sample |
| 18:29.12 | greycat | This is why you should have find(1) do the -exec itself, rather than saving them in a list, etc. |
| 18:29.15 | Muffin | Hello! I just installed bind9 on a new machine, and it works fine, but when I restart, bind does not automatically start. I am not sure why it does not automatically start.../etc/default/bind9 does not appear to have a start=yes option, either in the new system or in my few debian machines which DO load bind9 on start. |
| 18:29.56 | peterS | Muffin: /var/log/syslog may give a good reason for bind to have attempted and failed to start |
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| 18:30.09 | hjb | greycat: filenames containing newlines woulg break up the list, yes ... |
| 18:30.15 | greycat | Muffin: It may be starting but not accepting queries. |
| 18:30.23 | enouf | greycat: GNU find? -- are there various finds? as many as versions of xargs? and which find is most POSIX compliance? |
| 18:30.26 | xingu | greycat: curiously posix has little to say about line length when scanning it, either; it's possible to blow up many early implementations by feeding them >page sized lines on stdin |
| 18:30.42 | greycat | enouf: yes, there are different finds, but they all can do a simple -exec rm {} \; |
| 18:30.44 | hjb | greycat: i wonder where linduxed actually got his list from |
| 18:30.49 | greycat | hjb: I did ask. |
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| 18:30.52 | xingu | in fact many of them choke at 256 chars |
| 18:30.53 | enouf | greycat: ok - thanks |
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| 18:31.41 | greycat | Muffin: for whatever it's worth, my /etc/default/bind9 has OPTIONS="-u bind" and RESOLVCONF=yes |
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| 18:32.11 | lowlycoder | when using apt-get to download M packages, is there a way to tell apt-get to use N separate connectiooons? |
| 18:32.12 | Muffin | Answer: The folder /etc/bind is not owned by the "bind" user. |
| 18:32.17 | Muffin | Found via syslog! |
| 18:32.21 | peterS | ehh... that shouldn't be necessary |
| 18:32.29 | Muffin | peterS ftw. It is indeed now accepting queries. |
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| 18:32.37 | hjb | greycat: yeah but he haven't eventually answered your question |
| 18:32.41 | Golden|Wolf | hey, whats a good gui ftp on debian reps? |
| 18:32.52 | elik | God I hate texlive updates, with the 400 megs you have to download every time -_- |
| 18:32.52 | Muffin | peterS: Correct, but I created that file myself by copying it from a system with near-similar setup BEFORE I installed bind. |
| 18:33.14 | greycat | lowlycoder: no, because that's rude. |
| 18:33.24 | xingu | elik: it's possible to uninstall it. :) |
| 18:33.36 | peterS | Muffin: I bet it only needs read access to /etc/bind/rndc.key or something like that, not ownership of the whole dir |
| 18:33.36 | xingu | elik: that used to annoy the crap out of me too |
| 18:33.42 | lowlycoder | gernot: why is it rude? |
| 18:33.51 | Muffin | Actually, it needs access to the whole dir because it creates tmp files in that directory. |
| 18:33.56 | Golden|Wolf | anyone? |
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| 18:34.08 | elik | xingu, yeah, but then, I would miss all the handy packages.. :( |
| 18:34.09 | enouf | greycat: and would it be a bash issue, a list issue, a delimiter issue, a possible SHELLOPTS= issue .. concerning whether the {} in a "find ... -exec rm '{}' \;" would require those single quotes around the braces? |
| 18:34.19 | Muffin | Specifically, it is configured to be a secondary dns which means it needs to download config files from the priamry. |
| 18:34.20 | elik | xingu, would be nice to be sent diff packages... |
| 18:34.20 | Athas | Impressive, I actually get backtraces when I try to use the ati or radeon driver. |
| 18:34.38 | Athas | So current tally: neither ati, fglrx, radeon or radeonhd works. Is there anything else that would be an improvement over vesa? |
| 18:34.41 | greycat | enouf: I think only csh needs that. |
| 18:34.56 | peterS | Muffin: oh - and those zone files are configured to be directly in /etc/bind? that would make sense then. but it's probably better to put them somewhere else (/var/cache/bind is somewhat traditional) |
| 18:35.01 | greycat | enouf: certainly, no sh or ksh or bash needs them |
| 18:35.03 | enouf | greycat: ah .. not even needed for filenames with spaces or |
| 18:35.07 | enouf | \n ? |
| 18:35.12 | greycat | irrelevant. |
| 18:35.19 | enouf | ok - thanks again |
| 18:35.20 | abrotman | Golden|Wolf: lots of people like filezilla |
| 18:35.41 | greycat | Athas: try #xorg or #ati or something? be prepared to tell them what card. |
| 18:35.59 | Golden|Wolf | okay thanks |
| 18:36.26 | trupheenix | can anyone tell me why my videos no longer play on vlc media player? |
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| 18:37.27 | dkr | trupheenix: not unless you give more information such as what the error message is |
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| 18:37.47 | dkr | or what you changed in the time between it worked and it didn't :) |
| 18:38.45 | negge | this question might seem a bit silly and it's not related to Debian in any way but I thougt I'd ask here because I know there some smart guys hanging around. My question is if you can connect to network switches together with multiple cables to ensure that they can communicate even if one or several cables break? |
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| 18:39.12 | greycat | ask ##networking |
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| 18:39.20 | peterS | negge: only if the swiches are 'smart' enough to detect and prevent loops. $45 desktop switches, no. |
| 18:39.30 | _anna | Hello, I am using Debian Testing and Flashplayer has stopped to work. I have checked bugs of flashplugin-nonfree, but there is nothing. How do I debug that kind of situation? |
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| 18:40.13 | Muffin | peterS: Yes, exactly. I agree that they should go in some /var place, but they don't, and now the problem is fixed. Thanks! |
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| 18:43.53 | elik | xingu, come to think of it, mirrors must love texlive updates as well :P |
| 18:44.47 | greycat | OO.o and xfonts updates are also big huge fat bloated chunks of do-not-want |
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| 18:50.22 | negge | peterS: the switches I'm thinking about are at work, I think both are 24-bit Procurve switches, or one of them might me an Allied Telesyn... You mean they should be able to handle it? What technical term should I look for in the manuals to check if they're "smart" or not? |
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| 18:50.40 | Braunne | can one update to OO 3.0.1 on lenny from sid repos??? |
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| 18:50.49 | peterS | negge: you want to make sure they support STP, and you need to enable it for at least those ports |
| 18:50.56 | OpenTokix | _anna: for flash, I just pull home latest beta from adobe and put the .so-file in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins |
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| 18:51.07 | peterS | STP == spanning tree protocol, how ethernet switches / bridges avoid loop problems |
| 18:51.12 | icn | how do i install flashplugin non-free? |
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| 18:51.40 | Braunne | guys? |
| 18:51.43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !flash |
| 18:51.44 | dpkg | i heard flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 18:52.33 | negge | peterS: alright, thanks for the info |
| 18:52.37 | xingu | negge: it'd help if you wandered over to ##networking, and it'd help more if, as per their /topic, you explained your topology |
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| 18:53.07 | negge | xingu: okay |
| 18:53.08 | Braunne | so, can one update to OpenOffice 3.0.1 on lenny from sid repos??? |
| 18:53.38 | Braunne | I mean it does sound 'dangerous'! |
| 18:53.42 | sepski | i used the backports one |
| 18:53.54 | greycat | Braunne: /msg dpkg backports |
| 18:54.03 | Braunne | sepski: what version is the backports one |
| 18:54.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | u can use backports |
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| 18:54.19 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | 3.0.1 |
| 18:54.32 | Braunne | lenny backports u mean |
| 18:54.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes |
| 18:55.01 | Braunne | hmmm, i have that in sources.list and i never had a notification to update |
| 18:55.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | backports is really good for people who want specific new packages keeping the system stable |
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| 18:56.07 | gotnone | does anyone in here still use galeon? |
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| 18:56.16 | negge | peterS: I did some checking and atleast the AT-8024 (one of the switches in question) support the IEEE 802.1D (STP) protocol, guess that's good news for me. |
| 18:56.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !backports |
| 18:56.17 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 18:57.18 | peterS | negge: yeah I think pretty much all "smart" switches support it. but you still want to make sure it's enabled on both ends. infinite packet loops are no fun. |
| 18:57.42 | Braunne | sh4d3sl4y3r_: its not in here: deb http://backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib |
| 18:58.34 | negge | peterS: yeah I need to check the manuals, I've never configured a switch using the console port but I guess it's doable. |
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| 18:59.23 | negge | Right now at my workplace we have the switch in the server room connected to the rest of the house through one single cable, and there are rats living inside the cabling houses in the walls so the whole thing is a bit risky |
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| 18:59.39 | Braunne | sh4d3sl4y3r_: nevermind, its there, thanks |
| 18:59.40 | gotnone | i recently did an apt-get dist-upgrade on my unstable box and that finally upgraded to galeon 2.0.6. -- What a disappointment! Lots of retrogressions and much instability! Reverting back to 2.0.4-2 was a chore |
| 19:00.51 | amitz | how different is apache2 in lenny and the standard one? I'm wondering whether httpd.conf configuration instruction is the approved way to set debian's apache2? |
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| 19:02.06 | peterS | amitz: in debian you normally want to edit /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, ports.conf, and individual modules usually supply a conf file in mods-available/ that you can edit |
| 19:02.47 | amitz | peterS: i see. thanks. |
| 19:02.48 | dondelelcaro | gotnone: file bugs about it and help out... it is unstable, after all. |
| 19:02.53 | peterS | amitz: and if you do vhost-specific config, the recommended way is to create a new file in sites-available/, edit it as needed, and then use 'a2ensite' to create a symlink in sites-enabled/ |
| 19:02.55 | gotnone | I couldn't even revert using a stable mirror. Had to bust out svn for the debian directory and grab the upstream tarball. I hate it when working versions of packages are deleted from the mirrors while there are serious flaws in the newest release of said package |
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| 19:03.28 | gotnone | dondelelcaro, it is also stable and testing :( |
| 19:04.06 | dondelelcaro | gotnone: then that means that either no one else uses galeon, or no one experienced the problems you're experiencing. |
| 19:04.31 | dondelelcaro | (or if they did, they didn't bother to file bugs about it) |
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| 19:05.07 | alii | hello, could anyone help me out rescuing my debian system |
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| 19:05.17 | Athas | How do I downgrade from Unstable to Testing? |
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| 19:05.42 | gotnone | dondelelcaro, there are many bugs filed, but the package is orphaned. :( Unfortunately, I am not capable of maintaining it. |
| 19:05.45 | dondelelcaro | Athas: short answer: you don't. Long answer, using pinning and a bit of munging it can be done. |
| 19:06.11 | Athas | That was the answer I was afraid I would hear. |
| 19:06.17 | peterS | or, after editing sources.list, in aptitude you can mark packages for downgrade. it won't be perfect but it may work to an extent |
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| 19:06.34 | gotnone | Athas, you could also just wait a while between updates, then alter your sources file and then dist-upgrade once testing has surpassed your ancient unstable pacakges |
| 19:06.36 | dondelelcaro | Athas: alternatvively, you can wait for testing to catch up to where unstable is now. |
| 19:06.46 | Athas | Right, I intend to do that. |
| 19:06.54 | Athas | I guess I'm back to my X troubles... |
| 19:06.57 | peterS | that's the best answer, yeah. change sources.list and then sort of give it time |
| 19:07.26 | dv_ | every time I use one of these alternative / additional repositories, something breaks. |
| 19:07.36 | peterS | still, if you need to downgrade something specific, aptitude will let you at least attempt this (downgrades are, in general, unsupported, and some debian packages will not work in that direction) |
| 19:07.39 | Athas | Every time I do dist-upgrade, X breaks. |
| 19:07.40 | dondelelcaro | gotnone: probably means that no-one else wants to either |
| 19:07.42 | dv_ | which is a pity, since I wanted to use kde4 as my main DE. :/ |
| 19:07.54 | dondelelcaro | dv_: it's in unstable |
| 19:07.55 | Athas | I really wish someone would make an alternative to Xorg, I cannot fathom why it has to be so fragile. |
| 19:08.06 | dondelelcaro | Athas: it's not that fragile, actually. |
| 19:08.11 | dv_ | X is very stable for me |
| 19:08.12 | gravity | Athas: Are you running proprietary drivers? |
| 19:08.16 | Athas | Most display subsystems are designed to be ultra-robust. |
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| 19:08.25 | dv_ | *with* propietary nvidia drivers |
| 19:08.33 | dv_ | Athas, at least the windows one isnt :) |
| 19:08.36 | greycat | Athas has some sort of ATI card. |
| 19:08.40 | Athas | gravity: I was, yeah, but it fails with all free drivers I've tried (ati, radeon, radeonhd, vesa), even with no configuration file. |
| 19:08.41 | greycat | That's about all we know at this point. |
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| 19:08.49 | Athas | X1300, yes, and I'm certainly willing to blame ATI as well. |
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| 19:08.51 | gotnone | dondelelcaro, It seems to look that way. I will probably have to learn how to make epiphany work like galeon as closely as possible through plugins and whatever. |
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| 19:08.58 | dv_ | Athas, ati stuff is very unstable |
| 19:09.04 | gravity | Actually it's quite good these days |
| 19:09.05 | Athas | I had little-to-no trouble with my Nvidia card back in the day. |
| 19:09.14 | dondelelcaro | Athas: which ATI card is it? |
| 19:09.17 | Athas | But why wouldn't VESA work? And why would it fail silently? |
| 19:09.25 | RedMushroom | what's a .pl file used for? |
| 19:09.27 | gravity | Athas: Did you look in the X server log? |
| 19:09.30 | greycat | RedMushroom: usually perl |
| 19:09.33 | Athas | X1300 Mobile is the name, I think. It's one of those really unremarkable ones they put in Thinkpad T60s. |
| 19:09.33 | gravity | RedMushroom: It's a perl script usually |
| 19:09.38 | Athas | gravity: yes, no errors reported at all. |
| 19:09.40 | greycat | RedMushroom: but it's just a dot and two letters. It means whatever you tell it to mean. |
| 19:09.46 | gravity | Athas: How does it fail exactly? |
| 19:09.55 | Athas | Black screen, cannot CTRL-ALT-F1 back to the console. |
| 19:10.07 | Athas | Last entry in log file is 'SELinux: Disabled on system, not enabling in X server'. |
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| 19:10.16 | Athas | That's just after a bunch of (II)'s about the modules. |
| 19:10.25 | RedMushroom | greycat: you're probably right. i'm trying to get wakaba installed, and when i go to wakaba.pl in my web browser it asks me to d/l the file. i'm thinking i don't have apache setup to handle perl yet |
| 19:10.41 | RedMushroom | amiright? |
| 19:10.45 | greycat | RedMushroom: yes, probably. |
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| 19:10.48 | Athas | I get the same error with the radeonhd-driver, while the ati and radeon-drivers fail with a stack trace. |
| 19:10.50 | gravity | Athas: The same thing happens when you start with vesa? |
| 19:10.53 | Athas | Yes. |
| 19:10.56 | RedMushroom | ^v^ |
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| 19:11.08 | greycat | 14:11 Athas> Oh man, it started up with VESA! |
| 19:11.15 | Athas | It doesn't any more. |
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| 19:11.21 | Athas | No idea what changed. |
| 19:11.46 | peterS | maybe you no longer have hal (: |
| 19:11.48 | gotnone | Athas, any wierdness in your /tmp directory permissions? |
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| 19:11.51 | Athas | All I did was change the video driver to ati, radeon and radeonhd (in turn), then changing it back. |
| 19:11.58 | Athas | gotnone: how would I find out? |
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| 19:12.03 | gotnone | ls -ld /tmp |
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| 19:12.14 | Athas | It's world-writable. |
| 19:12.33 | xrandom | whats the giu toll to setup moinitor resolutions ' |
| 19:12.44 | Athas | Woah, 129MiB .xsession-errors. |
| 19:12.47 | greycat | /tmp should be world writable and sticky (1777) |
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| 19:12.54 | gravity | peterS: hal wouldn't affect that. The video stuff doesn't do anything with hal |
| 19:12.55 | adama_ | drwxrwxrwt |
| 19:13.00 | greycat | adama_: good. |
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| 19:13.19 | peterS | yeah I know, it's just everyone's favorite "Xorg breaks when I upgrade" issue |
| 19:13.21 | Athas | Hm, nothing interesting there. |
| 19:13.23 | gravity | yeah |
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| 19:13.31 | Athas | Xorg has broken every time I have ever upgraded it. |
| 19:13.34 | xrandom | whats the giu toll to setup monitor resolutions ? |
| 19:13.35 | gravity | Although we're getting a lot more reported breakages from the video drivers, mainly intel |
| 19:13.49 | Athas | Usually, I just had to recompile fglrx, but that won't work this time (due to Ati messing up the drivers, apparently). |
| 19:13.59 | justin | gravity: http://keithp.com/blogs/Sharpening_the_Intel_Driver_Focus/ |
| 19:14.07 | peterS | xrandom: we heard you the first time. I would try grandr, maybe it is less broken now than it was a year ago |
| 19:14.08 | gravity | justin: Yes I know |
| 19:14.20 | gravity | peterS: It's not any less broken |
| 19:14.24 | Athas | Actually, how come fglrx is provided as a source package, but not as a binary package? |
| 19:14.26 | xrandom | it works with nvivia drivers ? |
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| 19:14.35 | gravity | I haven't uploaded it in years since it hasn't had an upstream maintainer |
| 19:14.41 | RedMushroom | shoot. i have apache configured to handle php, but not perl. ;_; |
| 19:14.56 | peterS | oh, ok. |
| 19:15.14 | xrandom | ok what ? |
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| 19:15.41 | greycat | RedMushroom: either install mod_perl (probably not what you really want here...) or tell Apache to run .pl as CGI |
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| 19:16.38 | Braunne | I have added "deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main" to sources.list hoping to update OpenOffice 2.4 to 3.0.1 but synaptic doesnt update!!! |
| 19:16.44 | xrandom | i feed up with linux im going to download windos 7 and thats it ! |
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| 19:17.09 | dondelelcaro | xrandom: best of luck with that |
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| 19:18.25 | n-iCe | any idea why my debian is not running automatically the usb drives, mms cards, etc? |
| 19:18.29 | n-iCe | I need to go to my pc to see them, why? |
| 19:19.03 | Braunne | guys, using synaptic, how can I update openoffice 2.4 on debian lenny to OO 3.0.1 from "deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main"??? |
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| 19:19.43 | _anna | OpenTokix: I don't have that path /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins, nor do I find anything *flash* below "/usr/lib/iceweasel" and that although apt says the package is installed |
| 19:19.51 | xrandom | lots of bots on this channel :) |
| 19:20.00 | _anna | OpenTokix: So seems my problem is that |
| 19:20.15 | xrandom | ASSHOLES |
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| 19:20.27 | simonrvn | ooh, big man. |
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| 19:20.56 | OpenTokix | _anna: you can creaet that folder |
| 19:21.02 | OpenTokix | _anna: and then just copy the so-file |
| 19:21.18 | OpenTokix | _anna: 64 bit or 32bit? |
| 19:21.27 | _anna | OpenTokix: I am on amd64 |
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| 19:21.37 | OpenTokix | _anna: ok |
| 19:21.53 | OpenTokix | _anna: hold for url |
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| 19:22.59 | OpenTokix | _anna: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html |
| 19:23.27 | gravity | Just use the sid flashplugin-nonfree package. It should work in lenny and testing without any trouble |
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| 19:23.51 | OpenTokix | Also possible |
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| 19:24.50 | alii | hi, i am in rescue mode of my debian server. trying to mount my hdd but it doesnt work. do i need to load scsi drivers? |
| 19:24.51 | _anna | Well gravity, I am using that one |
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| 19:25.10 | _anna | And it didn't help... how do I prove that I am using that file now? |
| 19:25.38 | gotnone | alii, it depends, does dmesg output anything about your hard disks or their controllers? |
| 19:25.40 | gravity | _anna: You can do a dpkg -L flashplugin-nonfree to make sure it's installed |
| 19:25.45 | greycat | _anna: if you're really missing /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ then I'm a bit concerned about the iceweasel installation as a whole |
| 19:25.50 | gravity | _anna: You can then look at that output to see where it put the plugin |
| 19:25.56 | MrMac2 | hi, there was recently an announcement of a project, which is a boot cd consisting of multiple distributions to boot and invoke a netinstall? did anybody got this news, too? i forget what the name of the project is? |
| 19:25.59 | gravity | agrees with greycat |
| 19:26.25 | greycat | _anna: there is also the URL about:plugins which will show you what iceweasel can find |
| 19:26.44 | alii | gotnone: it seems to be a IDE drive to me |
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| 19:27.18 | gotnone | alii, does the dmesg output indicate what hdX or sdX device it is being assigned to? |
| 19:27.26 | _anna | Hm... it has Shockwave Flash 9.0 r115 and Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22 now, is that good? |
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| 19:27.43 | linduxed | im need of the latest versions of the packages "libstartup-notification libxdg-basedir", and ive come to the conclusion that the ubuntu repos are massively outdated |
| 19:27.44 | linduxed | so i was wondering how i search through the debian repos (including the experimental repo) |
| 19:27.54 | adama_ | MrMac2: I know of a thing like that called unetbootin I think, not sure if it's what you're talking about |
| 19:27.55 | gotnone | alii, perhaps a `dmesg|grep -i -C3 IDE' will provide answers |
| 19:27.57 | OpenTokix | _anna: flash 10 is ALOT better, esp. for 64bit |
| 19:27.59 | alii | hm, like: |
| 19:28.17 | dbbolton | when i tried to boot the kernel i compiled, it just says"loading" and then hangs. what should i check before recompiling? |
| 19:28.26 | _anna | OpenTokix: I guess I shouldn't have Flash 9 anymore... should I? |
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| 19:28.40 | OpenTokix | _anna: if you install 10, no point to keep 9 |
| 19:28.43 | alii | end_request: I/O error, dev 16:00 (hdc), sector 71660 |
| 19:28.43 | alii | hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 19:28.43 | alii | hdc: command error: error=0x54 |
| 19:28.43 | alii | its a IDE drive, i found out |
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| 19:28.44 | MrMac2 | adama_: no, this project installs a linux os on a usb drive |
| 19:28.49 | gotnone | dbbolton, did you make an initrd kernel and fordet to make the initrd? |
| 19:29.14 | adama_ | MrMac2: no idea then |
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| 19:30.03 | OpenTokix | bbl |
| 19:30.08 | dbbolton | gotnone, i don't know about fordet, but i did use the --initrd flag when compiling |
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| 19:31.07 | simonrvn | i think s/he meant "forget" |
| 19:31.26 | tim_flatus | Graphics question: I want to extract the colours used in arbitrary image in the form #ffffff - I have tried 'convert'ing it to xpm and then regexing for the color strings. Can anyone clue me in on how to reduce the color depth from #54AA56AC52A9 (for example). Or suggest a better method. |
| 19:31.34 | _anna | OpenTokix: I think I have it then, in my .mozilla/plugins there is a libflashplayer.so |
| 19:31.38 | gotnone | dbbolton, s/fordet/forget/ ;) I assume that you are not having boot loader problems and this is a kernel issue. is this correct? |
| 19:31.47 | _anna | OpenTokix: I guess that is the Flash 9 version |
| 19:32.02 | greycat | tim_flatus: maybe ask ##imagemagick |
| 19:32.07 | dbbolton | gotnone right. the regular debian kernel boots fine |
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| 19:32.18 | alii | i'm sorry |
| 19:32.18 | _anna | OpenTokix: At least what I can tell from strings | grep -i flash |
| 19:32.19 | tim_flatus | greycat: thanks |
| 19:32.45 | alii | dmesg last entry says: EXT3-fs: unable to read superblock |
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| 19:33.11 | gotnone | alii, it looks like your drive is hdc, but it also appears that you have a problem with said drive. hdc is strange as that is the first drive on the secondary interface. Do you have any drives connected to your primary interface? |
| 19:33.12 | alii | and a lot of "end_request: I/O error, dev 03:02 (hda), sector 2" (sectors vary) |
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| 19:33.33 | dbbolton | gotnone i started with the vanilla 2.6.29.1 and tried to strip out as much as possible, so i think i must have removed something important |
| 19:33.36 | _anna | OpenTokix: Yes, now it is solved. Thanks a lot. Some semi-automatic find that plugin stuff that escaped any updates and likely stoped working with Iceweasel update |
| 19:33.41 | streuner_ | gravity: any idea if the big flu aggressive like the spanish flu? |
| 19:33.53 | manu_hack | pig flu? |
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| 19:34.06 | Athas | Could anyone supply me with a minimal Xorg configuration that really should work on typical hardware? |
| 19:34.09 | streuner_ | the flu which is actually in .mx |
| 19:34.13 | gotnone | alii, if you have a spare drive , copy your data off immediately. then try to recover the partition with fsck |
| 19:34.18 | alii | . /dev/hdc is my cdrom (i strongly believe). hda is my hdd (hda1 and hda2) |
| 19:34.24 | Athas | I don't understand why I have these problems, I've always been careful to have almost boringly normal hardware. |
| 19:34.28 | _anna | OpenTokix: Do you consider it worth to report a bug on Debian? |
| 19:34.33 | alii | its my dedicated server, im on a rescue cd |
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| 19:34.43 | n-iCe | any idea why my debian is not running automatically the usb drives, mms cards, etc? |
| 19:34.46 | n-iCe | I need to go to my pc to see them, why? |
| 19:34.47 | greycat | alii: check dmesg, and look for hda and hdc |
| 19:34.56 | streuner_ | n-iCe: gnome? |
| 19:34.57 | greycat | alii: if it's scrolled out of dmesg already, then check /var/log/dmesg |
| 19:35.06 | epsilon | ask HAL |
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| 19:35.28 | epsilon | as long your name is not dave, it should work |
| 19:35.53 | simonrvn | lshal *hint* |
| 19:35.58 | gotnone | dbbolton, I am not familiar with the particular error, but you should probably double check that you have the console enabled in drivers character devices, and ensure that your processor is correct. |
| 19:36.01 | nkuttler | Athas: X -configure is a good start |
| 19:36.20 | alii | its IDE, not SCSI (ICH2: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev f9) |
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| 19:36.42 | simonrvn | we know... |
| 19:36.51 | Athas | nkuttler: what should I do with the output? |
| 19:36.55 | Sebboh | I glance at this channel, and I see "as long your name is not dave, it should work" ... and my name is Dave. 0.5 seconds of honest to goodness paranoia ensued. |
| 19:37.12 | nkuttler | Athas: edit it? try it? and /msg dpkg drxx |
| 19:37.16 | alii | im just trying to mount my hdd, so i can backup the data, but its not working |
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| 19:37.20 | simonrvn | Sebboh: hahaha |
| 19:37.22 | Sebboh | But I already know that HAL is out to kill me, so I guess it's OK. :P |
| 19:37.31 | xingu | Sebboh: we were talking about you, not to you. |
| 19:37.42 | Sebboh | Fair enough! |
| 19:37.57 | n-iCe | streuner_: yes |
| 19:38.36 | streuner_ | n-iCe: what branch of Debian? |
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| 19:38.42 | n-iCe | streuner_: squeeze |
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| 19:39.04 | streuner_ | n-iCe: try download console kit to lenny version |
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| 19:39.28 | streuner_ | there is a bug in the HAL stuff |
| 19:39.44 | tim_flatus | n-iCe: is this recent? |
| 19:39.58 | alii | http://nopaste.info/ad54070037.html <- this is my mount prob |
| 19:40.01 | tim_flatus | like upgrade within last 3days? |
| 19:40.22 | OpenTokix | _anna: dunno |
| 19:40.32 | streuner_ | judd, versions consolekit |
| 19:40.33 | judd | streuner_: consolekit -- lenny: 0.2.10-5+lenny1 sid: 0.3.0-2 squeeze: 0.3.0-2 |
| 19:40.55 | streuner_ | 0.2.x working, 0.3 dont |
| 19:40.56 | nkuttler | alii: i/o error, broken hardware? |
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| 19:41.05 | gotnone | alii, that is bad news when combined with the IO errors you flooded earlier. it probably menas your dirive is going bad, or perhaps other hardware issue like bad PSU |
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| 19:41.36 | nkuttler | alii: try the drive in a different box |
| 19:41.38 | alii | nkuttler: im pretty sure the HDD is nearly down. i googled the drive. it seems to die often |
| 19:41.57 | nkuttler | alii: well, what can i say, a little late for backup :/ |
| 19:42.12 | alii | is there any chance to retry/force anything? |
| 19:42.16 | gotnone | nkuttler, not necissarily |
| 19:42.31 | alii | heh, true. but i heard you learn better, the more it hurts |
| 19:42.37 | gotnone | alii, I would check my PSU, and get a backup drive ASAP |
| 19:42.38 | nkuttler | alii: first, try on a different box |
| 19:43.07 | mirak | hi |
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| 19:43.15 | alii | cant, its a dedicated server somewhere in a data center |
| 19:43.16 | nkuttler | alii: after that, how important is the data? there are professional data recovery services |
| 19:43.33 | alii | just my emails |
| 19:43.34 | gotnone | alii, if you have spare disk space, just dd it off with ssh |
| 19:43.36 | patrick-- | Hey all! I've got php5-cgi installed and running with lighty - how do i enable "exif" in the cgi installation? |
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| 19:43.40 | xingu | alii: has the drive been offline long enough to go cold between now and when it was last working? |
| 19:43.42 | gotnone | then work on the backup |
| 19:43.50 | alii | gotnone: how? i cant mount it |
| 19:43.58 | Athas | So the X -configure stuff just resulted in yet another black screen of death. |
| 19:44.10 | nkuttler | alii: xingu has a point, let the drive cool down |
| 19:44.14 | gravity | streuner_: No idea |
| 19:44.25 | alii | xingu: it worked friday. then it started having problems. restarted the systems, it went good for a while. now it wont startup anymore |
| 19:44.35 | streuner_ | n-iCe: bugs.debian.org/gnome-volume-manager (for details) |
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| 19:44.39 | nkuttler | !tell Athas about errors |
| 19:44.57 | gotnone | dd doesn't need mounts. do 'dd if=/dev/hda2 (or /dev/hda if you wan the whole drive) of=/somewhere else, or pipe it through ssh and dd of=/some/place/for/your/image |
| 19:44.59 | nkuttler | Athas: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:45.06 | Athas | nkuttler: I don't get any error messages, I get a black, unresponsive screen and a disturbingly unremarkable Xorg.0.log. |
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| 19:45.23 | xingu | alii: did it fail while it was operating on friday, or, did you power it down and it then failed on restart sometime later? |
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| 19:45.25 | nkuttler | Athas: paste it, /msg dpkg paste |
| 19:45.51 | alii | gotnone: that sounds good. any keywords i could google? |
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| 19:46.16 | alii | xingu: it never powers down. last restart was years ago. its a data center server |
| 19:46.18 | gotnone | dd ssh (i feel lucky) |
| 19:46.24 | alii | ^^ |
| 19:46.37 | mirak | is there some dpkg postinstall hook that would allow to install a package that was created during the installation of another package ? for exemple when you install a module assistant source package, you may want to have the postinst script building the package with module assistant, then we would like to have it installed, however it can't be done inside a dpkg session. So there could be some post hook in dpkg that would install packages in |
| 19:46.37 | mirak | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.54 | Athas | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/34579/ |
| 19:47.23 | xingu | alii: ok, cheers; just checking if it might be as simple as pointing a hairdryer at it; my guess would be death due to vibration and the prognosis would not be good; I assume it's part of a mirrored volume of course :) |
| 19:47.25 | gotnone | alii, the push technique is proably easiest. that way you don't need to setup sshd on the rescue-cd |
| 19:47.27 | n-iCe | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 19:47.47 | mirak | dkms here have some advantage, however I think module assistant as everything needed already |
| 19:47.55 | alii | you mean like dd if=/dev/hda | gzip -c | ssh user@host "cat > image.gz" ? |
| 19:48.16 | nkuttler | Athas: grep EE /var/local/Xorg.0.log and google what you get.. maybe try the vesa driver instead of radeon |
| 19:48.22 | alex111 | hi all, does anyone know if usb -serial adapter based on prolific pl2303X shoud work on lenny? kernel 2.6.26? |
| 19:48.27 | mirak | alii: like suicide |
| 19:48.34 | alii | mirak: ? |
| 19:48.38 | Athas | nkuttler: I get the same result with the vesa driver, and the core mystery of my issues is that there are no EE entries. |
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| 19:48.50 | nkuttler | Athas: ....there are |
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| 19:48.55 | mirak | alii: this would work of course |
| 19:49.00 | Athas | Except for the DRM one. |
| 19:49.02 | gotnone | alii, if you want to manipulate it I would avoid gzip |
| 19:49.20 | mirak | alii: though I guess you need to have a very good connection and a little harddrive ^^ |
| 19:49.33 | gotnone | alii, dd if=localfile | ssh target_address dd of=remotefile |
| 19:49.41 | alii | ok, thanks, then ill setup a local sshd and copy it as it is |
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| 19:50.37 | gotnone | alii, you may consider splitting out each partition as it will be easier to tun fsck on them that way |
| 19:50.45 | gotnone | s/tun/run/ |
| 19:51.13 | xingu | alii: if you do use dd, use bs=10240 conv=noerror or something vaguely sane. |
| 19:51.14 | gotnone | also if you hit lots of IO errors consider using dd alternatives like ddrescue |
| 19:52.09 | Old_Spike0 | Good news if you wanted a 'clean' kernel: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/04/msg00010.html |
| 19:52.21 | alii | i dont have ddrescue on the rescure cd (isnt this ironic?) |
| 19:52.26 | alii | -r |
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| 19:52.56 | gotnone | alii, whole disk images may be worked on using losetup with an offset too. |
| 19:53.37 | gotnone | I am not familiar enough with losetup to know if it handles gzip images too. :( |
| 19:53.53 | alii | i could gunzip it? |
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| 19:54.43 | gotnone | i would assume so, gzip is lossless, right? ;) |
| 19:55.02 | Athas | The EE is gone, the symptoms remain the same. |
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| 19:55.59 | Athas | Is there a checklist somewhere of modules that should be installed for X to work properly? I can't imagine it's a configuration problem anymore. |
| 19:56.07 | myeggo | isabel_sorry is a spambot (FYI) |
| 19:56.39 | streuner_ | myeggo: !ops <somenick> is a spambot |
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| 19:57.06 | myeggo | !ops isabel_sorry is a spambot |
| 19:57.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: myeggo complains about: isabel_sorry is a spambot |
| 19:57.26 | myeggo | oh |
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| 19:57.34 | Athas | Maybe linux-image-2.6.29-1-amd64 is broken? |
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| 19:57.39 | Athas | Is that at all conceivable? |
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| 19:57.58 | patrick-- | wc |
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| 19:58.31 | xingu | has Athas actually gotten as far as pasting their Xorg.0.log yet? I lose track. |
| 19:58.45 | myeggo | effective |
| 19:58.48 | gotnone | Athas, perhaps, but I just compiled fglrx last night |
| 19:58.54 | nkuttler | Athas: past your log again |
| 19:59.30 | manu_hack | gotnone: fglrx complies on 2.6.29-1? |
| 19:59.31 | OpenTokix | Athas: Do you use modelines and stuff for you monitor? |
| 19:59.35 | gotnone | unfortunately, the new fglrx won;t let me build a 2.6.28 image (in case i want to revert) |
| 19:59.42 | gotnone | manu_hack, yes |
| 19:59.46 | gotnone | amd64 |
| 19:59.50 | Athas | OpenTokix: No. |
| 19:59.56 | Athas | gotnone: I'm not using fglrx anymore. |
| 19:59.59 | manu_hack | gotnone: am using 2.6.29-1-686 |
| 20:00.00 | Athas | (Working on the log.) |
| 20:00.06 | manu_hack | and fails to compile |
| 20:00.12 | geolr1 | Hi all, I never really got the idea about locales... :-/ But now I keep seeing messages like: "locale not set" Any tips how to attack that problem? |
| 20:00.13 | OpenTokix | Athas: in your log, it complains about unknown mode |
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| 20:00.25 | OpenTokix | geolr1: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:00.33 | greycat | geolr1: if it's from 'sudo apt-get ...' just ignore it |
| 20:00.35 | gotnone | manu_hack, there has been some issues with the 2.6.29-X headers. is that the source of your failure? |
| 20:00.35 | Athas | Oh, you mean the resolution lines? |
| 20:00.40 | OpenTokix | Athas: yes |
| 20:00.55 | greycat | sudo strips out your environment variables, meaning you aren't defining locales |
| 20:00.55 | Athas | Yes, I specify some resolutions that I suppose are beyond the capabilities of VESA, but it should just regress naturally. |
| 20:00.57 | manu_hack | gotnone: probably, will wait for the next version |
| 20:00.58 | Athas | It has always done that. |
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| 20:01.07 | OpenTokix | Athas: well, it complains |
| 20:01.14 | OpenTokix | Athas: keep it simple? |
| 20:01.20 | OpenTokix | let it auto-detect |
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| 20:01.45 | Athas | I tried that as well, but I got the same problem. |
| 20:01.50 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 20:01.54 | OpenTokix | wops |
| 20:01.58 | Athas | So I reverted to my old (used-to-work) xorg.conf so I could at least prod it around. |
| 20:02.01 | OpenTokix | superhot blonde walked into my door |
| 20:02.02 | OpenTokix | have to go |
| 20:02.11 | Athas | This is the X log: http://pastebin.com/m5f56999d |
| 20:02.12 | gotnone | manu_hack, I had nothing but trouble with 2.6.29-1 on my 686 box with the nvidia drivers. I had to roll my own kernel. Good news is that after a couple of hours I had a working and fast kernel and drivers |
| 20:02.13 | streuner_ | haha |
| 20:02.15 | Athas | This is the X log: http://pastebin.com/m5f56999d9 |
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| 20:02.19 | greycat | I hope she didn't hurt herself when she walked into the door. |
| 20:02.31 | streuner_ | greycat: hehe :-P |
| 20:02.35 | alii | so: i tried to dd some data via ssh to my server. all i got was 20 byte data and lots of I/O errors in dmesg. any last ideas before i throw out the seagate hdd? |
| 20:02.36 | gravity | Athas: There's nothing there |
| 20:02.41 | Athas | Hrm... |
| 20:02.53 | gotnone | alii get ddrecover |
| 20:02.58 | manu_hack | gotnone: good for you |
| 20:03.00 | Athas | http://pastebin.com/m5f5699d9 |
| 20:03.11 | Athas | Working with copy-pasting in a virtual console is a serious pain. |
| 20:03.15 | alii | ST320424A was the modell, just to warn you |
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| 20:03.47 | gravity | Athas: (II) Loading sub module "fglrxdrm" |
| 20:03.52 | gravity | Athas: Get rid of fglrx crap |
| 20:03.54 | alii | and btw, the 20 byte is the gzip header lol |
| 20:03.56 | Athas | What the fuuuuuuuuuuck. |
| 20:04.12 | gravity | Athas: (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/linux//libfglrxdrm.so |
| 20:04.20 | gotnone | alii, http://www.guzu.net/linux/datarecovery.php |
| 20:04.32 | Athas | Man, ATI can mess up my system even without being loaded? |
| 20:04.38 | gotnone | check out Disk imager (for Linux) section |
| 20:04.41 | Athas | That's some pervasive computing capability right there. |
| 20:04.45 | greycat | Athas: sure looks like it's Loading. |
| 20:04.47 | gravity | Athas: That may not be the problem, but it's usually a good bet |
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| 20:05.09 | gravity | This why I 1) hate those fucking drivers and 2) wish people would just use the debian package since it's available |
| 20:05.11 | Athas | But why? Is this the much-vaunted Xorg autoconfiguration that decides loading random libraries is the Best Idea Ever? |
| 20:05.13 | alii | thanks gotnone |
| 20:05.18 | Athas | Which Debian package? |
| 20:05.21 | gravity | Athas: Stop trolling |
| 20:05.31 | AndroidData | if you do "zip /home/androiddata/myfolder" it also includes the /home/androiddata folders in the zip. is it possible to only make it include "myfolder" and upward into the zip? |
| 20:05.32 | myeggo | it is normal have 2 gdm process ? |
| 20:05.34 | geolr1 | OpenTokix: Looks good :-) Do you know if I have to set the C locale in addition to those "speaking my language" ? |
| 20:05.35 | gravity | Athas: Just fix the bullshit you installed yourself and stop blaming X for your own administration |
| 20:05.36 | Athas | I'm just really frustrated that X seems to be so much different than what I'm used to. |
| 20:05.44 | gravity | Athas: It's not. |
| 20:05.52 | gravity | Athas: Even before the autoconfig, X would have done this |
| 20:06.05 | OpenTokix | geolr1: I put default to C or en_US.UTF-8 normaly |
| 20:06.31 | Athas | Anyway, which Debian package were you referring to? |
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| 20:06.43 | gravity | Athas: There's an fglrx package in non-free |
| 20:06.46 | greycat | I've been recommending a default of "None" for servers and "en_US.UTF-8" only for desktop boxes |
| 20:06.52 | Athas | Unstable? |
| 20:06.58 | geolr1 | OpenTokix: Well, so I think I am fine now. Thx indeed! |
| 20:07.04 | mirak | can I spam again some question ? |
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| 20:07.05 | Athas | What's its name? |
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| 20:07.07 | gravity | Athas: Just get rid of the fglrx library cruft and see if that works. If not, there's deeper issues with your hardware support |
| 20:07.15 | mirak | is there a channel with dpkg developpers ? |
| 20:07.19 | gravity | In which case I may want a bug report |
| 20:07.23 | gotnone | alii, some of those programs are probably not smart enough, or too smart to have their output piped over the network, you may want to grab sshfs. (soemtimes I will use a full live cd so that I can apt-get packages like sshfs that I need |
| 20:07.29 | alii | mirak: just throw it at my server. oh wait. its dead. nevermind. just send it :) |
| 20:07.35 | streuner_ | mirak: here are some DD's, so just ask |
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| 20:07.52 | Athas | Right, that worked, thanks. Now I just have to figure out how to get something better than VESA to work. |
| 20:08.06 | gravity | Athas: Presumably radeon will work now. Try with no xorg.conf |
| 20:08.08 | alii | i dont have physical access to the server |
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| 20:08.15 | Athas | I shall. |
| 20:08.22 | mirak | streuner_: I asked earlier, I got no answer. so you would have to tell me to ask again, so I would feel comfortable spamming this room with a second message ^^ |
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| 20:08.43 | module000 | mirak: just ask |
| 20:08.44 | gotnone | alii, does the rescue cd have any remote file system capability able to be activated via ssh? |
| 20:08.57 | Athas | Oh my, it does work! Only stuff that's messed up is my dual-monitor setup, but I can live with that. |
| 20:09.00 | mirak | is there some dpkg postinstall hook that would allow to install a package that was created during the installation of another package ? for exemple when you install a module assistant source package, you may want to have the postinst script building the package with module assistant, then we would like to have it installed, however it can't be done inside a dpkg session. So there could be some post hook in dpkg that would install packages in |
| 20:09.00 | alii | it doesnt look like |
| 20:09.00 | mirak | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.01 | Athas | Man. |
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| 20:09.17 | mirak | dkms here have some advantage, however I think module assistant as everything needed already |
| 20:09.22 | streuner_ | mirak: first of all, just ask a short question and go to details then :-P |
| 20:09.24 | gravity | Shocking. Sometimes we even do a good job with X. |
| 20:09.24 | Athas | Alright, in a way, I'm very relieved that it was the fault of ATI cruft. That fits nicely into my preconceptions. |
| 20:09.30 | Athas | Thanks for the help. |
| 20:09.47 | gravity | Athas: one sec... |
| 20:09.50 | mirak | streuner_: just read the first line. |
| 20:10.03 | gravity | Athas: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 for your dual monitor setup |
| 20:10.04 | Athas | Time for me to say a nice thing: /etc/defaults/console-setup is a great idea. |
| 20:10.05 | mirak | or I may copy past it again |
| 20:10.14 | streuner_ | no |
| 20:10.15 | Athas | A centralised way to change Caps Lock behavior! That is gold! |
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| 20:10.34 | gravity | is glad someone likes it |
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| 20:12.31 | gotnone | alii, http://www.debianadmin.com/recover-data-from-a-damaged-hard-disk-using-dd_rhelp.html |
| 20:12.42 | mirak | streuner_: what I would like is to be able to install a module assistant package, and that it builds the binary modules and install it . however since you can't run a dpkg command when dpkg is already running, a package can't install another one. |
| 20:12.47 | gotnone | check out section: Copy Disk Image to remote machine using SSH |
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| 20:12.58 | sepult | eheh, that's the first thing to do if you want to have a decent looking terminal in debian |
| 20:13.07 | sepult | then install kbd |
| 20:13.27 | greycat | wonders what a "decent looking terminal" means |
| 20:13.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !decent |
| 20:13.39 | mirak | streuner_: so what I want is some queue, that dpkg will install package of, after it have done the rest |
| 20:13.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
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| 20:14.07 | mirak | otherwise this requires a manual intervention, or some boot script |
| 20:14.10 | sepult | where you have to option to use for example a better looking terminal font |
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| 20:15.43 | greycat | wonders what's wrong with rxvt -font ... |
| 20:16.08 | greycat | (and then putting rxvt* values into ~/.Xresources when you're happy with it) |
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| 20:16.12 | mirak | streuner_: so I guess no one have an answer ^^ |
| 20:16.27 | greycat | mirak: sounds more like a mailing list question |
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| 20:16.39 | sepult | greycat: i mean the font's when you boot your system |
| 20:16.59 | sepult | greycat: on the real tty's |
| 20:17.01 | gravity | is happy with gnome-terminal's fonts |
| 20:17.03 | mirak | greycat: yes, no other option. I don't like mailing list though. I am more of the forum generation |
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| 20:17.07 | streuner_ | greycat: well, in short, i dont even unterstand whats the problem is... |
| 20:17.08 | alii | gotnone: tried. still only IO errors |
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| 20:17.27 | alii | and "print_error: 'exname' var is null or not defined." |
| 20:17.43 | greycat | streuner_: it's outside the scope of #debian anyway. It's a package developer thing. |
| 20:17.49 | Athas | Hmm, my font setup seems altered somewhat. Can I safely create an xorg.conf containing nothing but my old list of font directories? |
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| 20:18.12 | gravity | Athas: Sure |
| 20:18.20 | gravity | Although... you're using core fonts? Why? |
| 20:18.38 | streuner_ | mirak: you heard greycat; just ask in a ML or/and /msg dpkg mentors |
| 20:18.50 | mirak | streuner_: sure |
| 20:19.04 | gravity | goes back to read mirak's question |
| 20:19.08 | mirak | streuner_: I was just expressing some disliking for the mailing lists ^^ |
| 20:19.24 | streuner_ | !mentors |
| 20:19.25 | dpkg | i guess mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 20:19.41 | Athas | gravity: I'm willing to be enlightened if I'm doing these things in a subpar way. All I know is that I have an .Xdefaults setting Bitstream Terminal for the apps I use. (Yes I'm old-fashioned, so sue me.) |
| 20:19.44 | gravity | mirak: I'm confused. You want a module package to build modules that it depends on? |
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| 20:20.02 | mirak | streuner_: well I asked about that in debian-mentors on OFTC . |
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| 20:20.32 | gravity | mirak: It looks like you can achieve what you want by depending on those packages and then building them in the postinst, provided that your package is driving the building |
| 20:20.33 | mirak | gravity: no. I want a package to install modules from sources. |
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| 20:20.45 | gravity | mirak: Why can't you do this? |
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| 20:20.59 | Sooke | Hi all |
| 20:21.10 | gravity | Athas: Well, if you're using old apps, then that's the way to do it I suppose |
| 20:21.31 | mirak | gravity: because I want to use module assistant and .deb package for maintenance reasons. |
| 20:21.44 | Sooke | I have an old Laptop AMD ATHLON XP-M 3 D now! 1.2 Ghz 256MB ram, and 40GHD, DVD-R drive, and I want to install linux. Is there any light distro based on Debian? |
| 20:21.52 | Athas | gravity: Emacs and xterm! What more do you need? |
| 20:22.07 | gravity | hehe |
| 20:22.10 | gravity | Fair enough |
| 20:22.18 | mirak | gravity: I am not sure to have understood you, however you can elaborate |
| 20:22.20 | greycat | Sooke: I'd imagine Debian would run just fine. |
| 20:22.22 | dkr | Sooke: yeah, it's called debian. :) (you don't have to install everything, you know) |
| 20:22.32 | gravity | mirak: Like I said. Have your package depend on those module packages, and in your package's postinst build them |
| 20:22.41 | gravity | It's a hack, but it should be do-able |
| 20:22.58 | mirak | gravity: ok but at what moment will they be installed ? |
| 20:23.06 | gravity | mirak: Why does it matter? |
| 20:23.10 | centHOGG | Sooke: hi, I use debian on most of my old funboxes.. it is light to begin with |
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| 20:23.29 | Sooke | centHOGG, which desktop you use? |
| 20:23.31 | mirak | gravity: ??? because I want them to be installed. |
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| 20:23.44 | gravity | mirak: They'll be installed whenever you tell them to be by module-assistant, presumably |
| 20:23.46 | mirak | gravity: I want to something kind of like dkms is doing |
| 20:23.49 | centHOGG | Sooke: for that next step up from a server, I like to use LXDE |
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| 20:24.18 | centHOGG | Sooke: but for LXDE you do need to know either what you are doing OR just the progs you want to work with |
| 20:24.21 | mirak | gravity: mmm . yes but m-a will invoke dpkg |
| 20:24.33 | centHOGG | Sooke: not much handholding |
| 20:24.36 | centHOGG | brb |
| 20:24.36 | mirak | gravity: and if dpkg is already running it will fail I guess |
| 20:25.23 | mirak | gravity: because here dpkg will invoque m-a in a postinst script, then m-a will invoke dpkg to do the install. so it should fail. |
| 20:25.34 | amitz | in debian lenny, I can run drupal6/install.php and drupal6/upgrade.php . But I can't run drupal6/ (firefox ask me how to open phtml file) or drupal6/index.php (firefox ask me how to open php file). What am I missing? |
| 20:25.37 | gravity | urgh |
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| 20:25.58 | mirak | gravity: if you understood what I wanted |
| 20:26.00 | gravity | mirak: Basically you're asking for a pretty gigantic hack then |
| 20:26.00 | amitz | after installing from drupal6 package of lenny. |
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| 20:26.12 | mirak | gravity: looks like it |
| 20:26.16 | centHOGG | b |
| 20:26.18 | gravity | mirak: Don't do that. |
| 20:26.19 | module000 | mirak: write it? |
| 20:26.20 | gotnone | alii, sounds bad. :( I fyou really need the data, you will probably need to hire some experts |
| 20:26.32 | simonrvn | mirak: um, dpkg calls the postinst... |
| 20:26.37 | gravity | mirak: Just write a script that does what you need, rather than a package |
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| 20:27.29 | mirak | gravity: well computer science is about automation. having something needed to be done by hand is a bug. ;) |
| 20:27.55 | gravity | mirak: How is running a script a bug? |
| 20:28.02 | gotnone | Sooke has a very powerful system there compared with my Tecra 500CDS running unstable and fluxbox :P |
| 20:28.25 | gravity | mirak: Alternately, don't build your modules with m-a. |
| 20:28.30 | centHOGG | :) |
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| 20:28.42 | mirak | gravity: as long as you must do it manually when you already have a system management tool, I guess we can try to improve things isn't it ? |
| 20:28.53 | abrotman | mirak: did you try doing it in the kernel-img.conf ? |
| 20:28.56 | gravity | mirak: Then don't build your modules with m-a. Build them normally. |
| 20:29.04 | centHOGG | <450mhz MVP3 rig |
| 20:29.10 | centHOGG | in garage |
| 20:29.15 | gravity | Forcing a square peg in a round hole is retarded |
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| 20:30.04 | mirak | abrotman: I talked about this option for kernel upgrades on some other channel. It's interesting for updates of kernels |
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| 20:31.03 | greycat | centHOGG: Psssht, I have a 266 MHz Pentium II production server |
| 20:31.42 | abrotman | greycat: i can beat that |
| 20:31.45 | mirak | gravity: dpkg could just have a pending queue of package to install. something like that. that would not be an horrible hack. the package who build the debian module binary, would just had the package to a queue, then dpkg, would check the queue and process the install |
| 20:31.46 | centHOGG | kewl |
| 20:32.00 | abrotman | FSVO "beat" i suppose |
| 20:32.20 | gravity | mirak: You can't just mess with the package dependencies in the middle of the installation |
| 20:32.40 | mirak | gravity: dpkg would do that before exiting, or right after ending to handle the package who did the build |
| 20:33.00 | gravity | mirak: dpkg has already figured out whether or not you've satisfied your dependencies before doing the install. By the time you do the postinst, when your modules would have to be built, you're at the point where you can easily screw up an install |
| 20:33.28 | gravity | mirak: Like I said, you're asking for an enormous hack that doesn't make any sense really |
| 20:33.33 | mirak | gravity: it wouldn't mess the depencies. That would be a requirement. |
| 20:33.46 | gravity | mirak: If your kernel module packages can't build themselves, why are they packages? |
| 20:34.04 | gravity | mirak: You're basically insisting on using m-a for something it shouldn't be used for, as I understand it |
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| 20:35.31 | mirak | gravity: because a package provides you a way to detect conflicting files and such. If I just install the modules in /lib/X.y.z/modules/ I have no garanty that some package will not just erase the files. |
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| 20:35.51 | gravity | mirak: That's prohibited by dpkg actually |
| 20:35.59 | gravity | mirak: They can be diverted, but they can't be overwritten |
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| 20:36.24 | mirak | gravity: if dpkg was aware of them. |
| 20:36.42 | gravity | mirak: Why would your module packages not be aware of what they're installing? |
| 20:36.47 | mirak | gravity: however if I just install them in a postinst script, dpkg can't know they exists |
| 20:36.50 | gravity | mirak: If they're not aware you're doing it wrong |
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| 20:36.56 | gravity | mirak: Don't Do That. |
| 20:37.15 | gravity | mirak: Your individual module packages should be self-contained. Your other package can just be a meta-package depending on them. |
| 20:37.25 | gravity | No m-a necessary |
| 20:37.32 | mirak | gravity: because the binary modules aren't already built, so the package can't know they exists. |
| 20:37.45 | gravity | mirak: How do you think any package gets built? |
| 20:37.48 | mirak | gravity: because they are not in it's archive |
| 20:37.51 | gravity | sighs |
| 20:37.59 | mirak | gravity: sorry you don't understand |
| 20:38.16 | gravity | mirak: I don't think you understand how packages work. |
| 20:38.31 | mirak | gravity: I have spent the week creating ones |
| 20:38.38 | gravity | mirak: You've given no good reason for your architecture. You seem to be going about the problem the wrong way entirely. |
| 20:39.01 | mirak | gravity: *seem* |
| 20:39.14 | mirak | gravity: so I resume it. no problem |
| 20:39.18 | gravity | mirak: Ok. Why are your individual kernel modules not in their own self-building packages. |
| 20:39.21 | gravity | ? |
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| 20:39.37 | mirak | gravity: I want to create a package that installs new v4l-dvb modules. |
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| 20:40.15 | gravity | mirak: Ok, why can't you create a package that builds those modules and installs them? |
| 20:40.23 | gravity | *without* m-a |
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| 20:40.49 | greycat | Because then he couldn't remove them afterward. |
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| 20:41.12 | gravity | blinks |
| 20:41.22 | gravity | How's that? |
| 20:41.23 | greycat | Or at least that's my first guess. |
| 20:41.44 | mirak | gravity: I want to have a package that can live with different kernels. so the idea is to have a source package, that will just create a debian package of the binary modules when you install it. all this can be done already with dpkg and m-a . however what can't be done is having this created package installed in the same process. because you can't run dpkg twice. |
| 20:42.53 | amitz | in drupal6 package of debian lenny, for all subdirectory (for example localhost/drupal6), the index.php doesn't load (firefox ask what to do with the php file) whereas other .php files work. What am I mssing? |
| 20:43.22 | amitz | if I put the index.php in root of /var/www, the index.php can be loaded. |
| 20:43.50 | mirak | greycat: I could remove them with a pre/postrm script . that's what dkms is doing basically. I could just tell m-a to build the .ko modules and just copy them to a kernel. |
| 20:44.00 | greycat | amitz: you have to tell apache to allow ExecCGI in whatever directory these files are in |
| 20:44.29 | greycat | Or something. |
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| 20:44.38 | justin | greycat: php isn't a cgi |
| 20:44.39 | gravity | decides to look at module-assistant for the first time in years |
| 20:44.53 | greycat | yeah, maybe not ExecCGI, but you have to tell it "it's ok to run .php files here" |
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| 20:45.07 | greycat | maybe it's an AddHandoer? |
| 20:45.08 | justin | amitz: is there a reason you're not just installing the drupal package? |
| 20:45.22 | amitz | justin: I |
| 20:45.35 | amitz | I'm just installing drupal6 package of lenny. |
| 20:45.49 | amitz | it doesn't work out of the box. |
| 20:46.06 | justin | amitz: /usr/share/doc/drupal6? README.Debian? |
| 20:46.26 | alii | im off for good |
| 20:46.32 | alii | thanks guys, especially gotnone |
| 20:46.34 | amitz | the README.Debian.gz has been read but no relevant information. |
| 20:46.48 | amitz | let see about the /share/doc |
| 20:47.44 | mirak | gravity: maybe I want to go to far in the automation. in fact i would find natural to be able to that. some tools kind of do that like dkms. however dkms also have some flaws, like the fact you are forced to list all modules you want to build and install. however for v4l-dvb, the built modules are not the same depending of the configuration, so dkms fails if a modules is missing in it's list. So you must create one dkms package for a particu |
| 20:47.44 | mirak | lar kernel config. and it's not dynamicall at all |
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| 20:48.04 | amitz | ah, yeah, I read that one. |
| 20:49.03 | gravity | mirak: The modules should come with their own build system though, right? I'm still refreshing what I know about m-a, but I don't see why you can't just use that inside the package |
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| 20:49.46 | _coredump_ | hi there, is kernel .27 in squeeze, or is it still .26? |
| 20:50.03 | streuner_ | _coredump_: check out packages.debian.org |
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| 20:50.38 | streuner_ | i doubt that .27 isnt in squeeze already, btw |
| 20:50.53 | streuner_ | .29 is in sid |
| 20:50.55 | piper69 | what is like windows server active directory in lenny |
| 20:50.57 | mirak | gravity: you can do everything fine I think, until you need to install the created package. when m-a will invoke dpkg to install the .deb, then dpkg should faild, since it's already running. Or I miss some point of what you suggest |
| 20:51.12 | _coredump_ | ok thx streuner_, its still .26 |
| 20:51.20 | streuner_ | omg |
| 20:51.22 | sneezewort | I have python2.4 and python2.5 both installed via apt-get. When I install a python module using apt-get it installs the module into 2.4 but not 2.5. How do I get it to install in both? |
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| 20:51.50 | gravity | mirak: You still haven't really answered the question. Here's the scenario. Your package doesn't call m-a at all. Never. Not once. Instead you simply package your kernel modules normally and have them install as usual. |
| 20:52.02 | streuner_ | _coredump_: if you need a .29 kernel, just install it of sid, but dont tell anybody about ;-) |
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| 20:52.13 | Octo_ | does anyone know a good paste bin where I can password protect what I write? |
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| 20:52.25 | piper69 | what is like windows server active directory in lenny |
| 20:52.34 | mirak | gravity: yes, but I don't want to have to do a package for each kernel version out there |
| 20:52.36 | Mr-R | amitz: try a manual install of drupal. the debian package is far more complicated. *sorry* |
| 20:52.46 | greycat | Octo_: install apache on your own system |
| 20:52.48 | gravity | mirak: Would you have to? |
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| 20:53.04 | Octo_ | greycat: pastebin? |
| 20:54.12 | _coredump_ | streuner_, i need at least .27 to get my nic working |
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| 20:54.19 | amitz | Mr-R: np, but I think I probably figure out the culprit. what is the meaning of <FilesMatch "\.(engine|inc|info|install|module|profile|po|sh|.*sql|theme|tpl(\.php)?|xtmpl)$|^(code-style\.pl|Entries.*|Repository|Root|Tag|Template)$"> Order allow,deny ? |
| 20:54.27 | _coredump_ | but i will compile a vanilla kernel |
| 20:54.30 | piper69 | !seen abrotman |
| 20:54.30 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian-ops #debian. Has said a total of 40 messages. Is idling for 22m 30s, last said: 'FSVO "beat" i suppose'. |
| 20:54.33 | streuner_ | _coredump_: fine, so .29 should support it |
| 20:54.56 | piper69 | abrotman: where you hide? |
| 20:55.04 | amitz | specifically, I think the instruction ^Root makes all root being denied? I'm not sure. |
| 20:55.15 | _coredump_ | so i set my lenny/squeeze setup in sources.list to sid an install .29 throogh apt, streuner_? |
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| 20:55.32 | mirak | gravity: if kernel updates are not to frequent no that much. I didn't said I faced a total limitation. I am thinking about a way to automate as much as possible. In fact I have seen what dkms could done and it's amazing to have such a module management, however there is some limitations, like the fact the modules to built is a fixed list. This is not compatible with v4l-dvb for instance. |
| 20:55.40 | amitz | whereas the root is automatically assigned to index.php ? |
| 20:55.48 | streuner_ | _coredump_: no, just get the deb of .29 itself (packages.debian.org) and install it |
| 20:56.08 | piper69 | streuner_: do you know what i can use to replace Active Directory for Debian? |
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| 20:56.24 | _coredump_ | piper69, look at ldap |
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| 20:57.12 | mirak | gravity: with v4l-dvb you don't end with the same modules, and it depends of the kernel config. dkms can't handle that. module assistant can. the limitation is just that a package can't install another package. |
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| 20:58.07 | simonrvn | piper69: kerberos, samba, ldap, or samba4 |
| 20:58.22 | gravity | mirak: What magic does m-a do that lets it automatically cope with any kernel changes? |
| 20:58.23 | mirak | gravity: but you still can tell the user to run this or that command manually |
| 20:58.27 | simonrvn | piper69: the first there are together |
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| 20:58.37 | simonrvn | piper69: er, s,there,three, |
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| 20:59.24 | gravity | fwiw, I don't remember any such magic |
| 20:59.31 | sepult | why is 141.72.2.4 down ? |
| 20:59.39 | mirak | gravity: in fact none. It's just that it don't need to know in advance what modules will be built. unlike dkms which have a limitation here |
| 20:59.52 | abrotman | piper69: ? |
| 21:00.08 | piper69 | abrotman: just missing you :P |
| 21:00.12 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 21:00.13 | gravity | mirak: So I guess you still haven't answered my real question. Why can't you just run the module's build system during dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 21:00.14 | mirak | gravity: dkms needs you to reference exactly each modules |
| 21:00.33 | streuner_ | sepult: whats 141.72.2.4? |
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| 21:01.06 | gravity | That's essentially what m-a should be doing |
| 21:01.24 | streuner_ | sepult: e-mail: weinbrenner@ba-mannheim.de |
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| 21:02.06 | streuner_ | sepult: just mail him and ask him |
| 21:02.26 | sepult | streuner_: are you sure that is resolved to that address ?? |
| 21:02.43 | streuner_ | sure |
| 21:03.13 | mirak | gravity: because my package will be bound to a particular kernel version. what I want is something that will work even if some new kernel comes out. I think you can tell m-a to update the kernels for newly installed kernels. greycat talked about that. |
| 21:03.25 | sepult | streuner_: hrmmmm, but my apt tries to connect to ftp.de.debian.org |
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| 21:03.32 | sepult | streuner_: using that ip |
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| 21:03.50 | sneezewort | I have python2.4 and python2.5 both installed via apt-get. When I install a python module using apt-get it installs the module into 2.4 but not 2.5. Is it supposed to install in both? |
| 21:03.51 | gravity | Ok, so you want magic |
| 21:03.55 | streuner_ | nah, thats not Uni Dresden :-) |
| 21:04.06 | mirak | gravity: no, I want automagic :) |
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| 21:05.02 | piper69 | abrotman: what do you use for active directory? |
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| 21:05.03 | streuner_ | sepult: just use "debian.netcologne.de" ;-) |
| 21:05.14 | yaaar | howdy |
| 21:05.16 | abrotman | piper69: eh what? |
| 21:05.16 | gravity | mirak: Basically you're asking for something that is, by nature, very fragile. Debian has generally shied away from such things by default. |
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| 21:06.02 | piper69 | Active Directory? domain controller,etc |
| 21:06.04 | synaptic | Anyone know where I can change the default language on KDE4 w/Lenny, spell check says EVERYTHING is wrong |
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| 21:06.27 | abrotman | piper69: an old win32 box |
| 21:06.34 | streuner_ | sepult: PING ftp.de.debian.org (141.76.2.4) 56(84) bytes of data. -64 bytes from ftp.de.debian.org (141.76.2.4): icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=51.3 ms |
| 21:06.37 | mirak | gravity: however there is some way. dpkg install the module assistant source module. then you install some script that runs at reboot. at reboot this would tell m-a to build and install the module. then it would need another reboot to be 100% sure you module are the new built one. that's not bad, exept you need two reboots. |
| 21:06.50 | streuner_ | sepult: 141.76.x.x isnt 141.27.x.x |
| 21:07.01 | gravity | ewwwww |
| 21:07.02 | streuner_ | sepult: 141.76.x.x isnt 141.72.x.x |
| 21:07.10 | piper69 | abrotman: :), open source wise? |
| 21:07.47 | abrotman | piper69: oh .. you mean in general .. samba+ldap |
| 21:07.54 | yaaar | i just did a fresh lenny install, and setup some software raid devices during installation, but it doesn't boot; gives me a message: "mdadm: no devices listed in conf file found" and then drops me to busybox. looking in mdadm.conf I see all three of my raid devices with the correct member devices...does anybody know what's going wrong here? |
| 21:08.33 | rgammans | yaaar, cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 21:10.01 | yaaar | rgammans: under 'personalities' it shows [raid0] (which is my /boot partition) and [raid1] (which is swap) but not [raid 2] which is my / part |
| 21:10.13 | Adalid_Negro | hi i need support in spanish |
| 21:10.38 | simonrvn | !es |
| 21:10.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 21:10.49 | Adalid_Negro | tanks dpkg |
| 21:10.50 | rgammans | yaaar, No. personalities lists the support 'levels'. |
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| 21:11.09 | yaaar | rgammans; oh, roger that |
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| 21:11.43 | rgammans | yaaar, Is there nothing fro md0,md1,md2 under the personalities line? |
| 21:11.57 | yaaar | rgammans: nope |
| 21:12.19 | yaaar | next line is 'unused devices: <none>' |
| 21:12.24 | yaaar | that's all that's in the file |
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| 21:12.54 | rgammans | yaaar, try mdadm --examine --scan |
| 21:13.01 | mirak | gravity: however I will see how I can do a source package of the modules. |
| 21:13.40 | yaaar | rgammans: that shows all three devices i setup |
| 21:13.57 | yaaar | looks exactly like the mdadm.conf file |
| 21:14.13 | rgammans | yaaar, good. |
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| 21:14.28 | rgammans | yaaar, I you staill at the busybox prompt? |
| 21:14.30 | Macer | hm. i am having a problem. i installed gnome and now it is not using /etc/networking/interfaces in order to config eth0 |
| 21:14.36 | yaaar | the strange part about this is that i used to have this box running etch on a similar setup and it worked great out of the box |
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| 21:14.43 | yaaar | rgammans: yes, i'm still at busybox |
| 21:14.46 | Macer | can someone explain to me why? i figure it might have something to do with the way gnome sets up the network |
| 21:15.06 | Macer | i want it to have a global network config and can't seem to figure out how to keep the interfaces settings to stick |
| 21:15.07 | gravity | mirak: Yeah, other than that I don't have any good ideas except to just let m-a build the packages and you install the manually after |
| 21:15.16 | rgammans | ok , I think mdadm --assemble --scan will get you raids back up |
| 21:15.28 | yaaar | k hang on |
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| 21:15.34 | mirak | gravity: thanks for you help :-D |
| 21:15.38 | gravity | mirak: Good luck |
| 21:15.48 | rgammans | yaar - but I'm not sure why the initscrpit didn't do it for you |
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| 21:16.22 | yaaar | rgammans: sweet, that says it set them up...now just reboot? |
| 21:16.28 | yaaar | or just exit the busybox? |
| 21:16.32 | rgammans | yaaar, No, |
| 21:16.36 | yaaar | i guess i need to mount them first |
| 21:16.38 | mirak | gravity: anyway I am pretty happy that my module assistant module works |
| 21:16.52 | rgammans | yaaar, try exiting busybox, or mounting them. don't reboor |
| 21:16.55 | mirak | that's still a huge step for me |
| 21:17.12 | rgammans | yaaar, We haven't fixed it so it boots next time yet. |
| 21:17.22 | yaaar | oh, ok |
| 21:17.36 | simNIX | k .. |
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| 21:18.58 | rgammans | yaar - Is it completing the boot. |
| 21:19.29 | yaaar | rgammans: yes! booted right up when i exited busybox |
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| 21:20.18 | rgammans | yaar as root, try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image..... |
| 21:20.33 | rgammans | yaaar, I assume you know which kpkg you have installed |
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| 21:21.18 | yaaar | rgammans: i don't have dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:21.28 | rgammans | huh |
| 21:21.40 | simonrvn | check your PATH |
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| 21:22.09 | yaaar | rgammans: did you mean 'dpkg --configure' |
| 21:22.18 | rgammans | no |
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| 21:22.56 | Guerin | if you don't have dpkg-reconfigure, you don't have debian |
| 21:23.26 | simonrvn | ls -l /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 21:24.11 | adb | yaaar: is ubuntu user |
| 21:24.13 | Macer | hm |
| 21:24.23 | Macer | is there a way to disable all of gnome's control over network interfaces? |
| 21:24.34 | davbook | what? |
| 21:24.38 | yaaar | adb; no i'm using debian lenny |
| 21:24.45 | davbook | ubuntu doesn't have dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 21:24.47 | gravity | ubuntu also has dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:24.47 | Guerin | Macer: yep - don't usegnome. |
| 21:24.57 | simNIX | Macer, elaberating on why you ask this helps people give good help .. |
| 21:25.04 | simonrvn | Macer: remove network-manager* stuff |
| 21:25.09 | yaaar | guys, sorry, i swear this is regular old lenny. not an offshoot distro |
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| 21:25.26 | Macer | simonrvn: and debian itself doesn't use network-manager at all in order to config the network? |
| 21:25.41 | simonrvn | yaaar: and we're supposed to believe you? :P j/k |
| 21:25.42 | centHOGG | uname -a |
| 21:25.52 | yaaar | ok, i've got it. i guess it just isn't in my $PATH |
| 21:25.55 | yaaar | my bad |
| 21:25.59 | simNIX | network is setup way before gnome loads |
| 21:26.01 | simonrvn | Macer: ifupdown by default |
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| 21:26.10 | streuner_ | Macer: sure, default is interfaces as simonrvn told you |
| 21:26.14 | simonrvn | 17:21 < simonrvn> check your PATH |
| 21:26.16 | rgammans | yaaar, Are you root? |
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| 21:26.30 | yaaar | oh, and sorry rgammans...but no, i'm afraid i don't know which kpkg i have. yes, i can become root |
| 21:26.45 | ed0n0n | I have a new nVidia card and have been using nVidia kernel module, but when upgrading kernel, I need to recompile the module. Is there any other driver that avoids this reinstallation? |
| 21:26.46 | rgammans | sk] |
| 21:27.11 | rgammans | simonrvn, Ahh thats why /usr/sbin not in his PATH |
| 21:27.15 | yaaar | rgammans: yeah, ok, now i follow...it's in roots path |
| 21:27.30 | simonrvn | ed0n0n: no. why should there be? |
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| 21:27.45 | Macer | streuner_: my interfaces file is fine |
| 21:27.49 | rgammans | yaaar, do uname -a |
| 21:27.59 | Macer | know what. screw this. i will just re-install debian |
| 21:28.06 | Macer | and never use gnome on it again :) |
| 21:28.11 | centHOGG | heh |
| 21:28.26 | davbook | Macer: gnome 2.26.1 works fine on debian |
| 21:28.33 | davbook | if works fine since 2.20.1 |
| 21:28.42 | davbook | w/ tons and tons of updates |
| 21:28.42 | Guerin | for some values of `fine' |
| 21:28.45 | Macer | davbook: but it has a network manager that doesn't seem to be working correctly at least not on my install |
| 21:28.46 | ed0n0n | simonrvn: I mean a free driver |
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| 21:28.58 | Macer | especially when i start it and it can't determine which linux i am running |
| 21:29.03 | davbook | Macer: 0.7.1 up and running here |
| 21:29.03 | Macer | and gives me a list of possible candidates |
| 21:29.05 | Macer | :) |
| 21:29.13 | simonrvn | Macer: so remove network-manager packages. why reinstall when a --purge will suffice. that's way to effing windowsy for me. |
| 21:29.13 | Macer | with lenny 5.0 being in the list |
| 21:29.14 | centHOGG | paying for a linux driver? |
| 21:29.14 | Sebboh | Does d-i have an IRC channel? |
| 21:29.22 | yaaar | rgammans; uname -a gave me 2.6.26-2 ...so do i want to do 'dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6' ?? |
| 21:29.25 | Macer | simonrvn: i am trying that now |
| 21:29.26 | streuner_ | #debian-boot (OFTC) |
| 21:29.31 | Macer | and seeing if it works |
| 21:29.35 | davbook | Macer: because I haven't the required patience to configure wpa_supplicant by hand |
| 21:29.38 | streuner_ | Sebboh: ^^^ |
| 21:29.45 | Macer | davbook: i am not using wifi |
| 21:29.49 | Macer | this is for a wired network |
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| 21:29.51 | Sebboh | streuner_, thanks. |
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| 21:30.08 | sinelaw | how do I tell dpkg-buildpackage to ignore a directory (such as .bzr) ? |
| 21:30.13 | rgammans | dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6.26-2 (I hope) |
| 21:30.20 | davbook | Macer: also LAN, it's the same. |
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| 21:30.36 | sinelaw | it keeps failing on 'dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to...' |
| 21:30.36 | Macer | well. i just went ahead and removed all network-manager pkgs |
| 21:30.40 | davbook | Guerin: for all values of 'fine' q.e.d. |
| 21:30.44 | vasi | i'd like a debian install of minimum size, but installing from CD (even unchecking all options) seems to take > 700 MB of hard drive space |
| 21:30.49 | simonrvn | sinelaw: man dpkg-buildpackage;, or the --help |
| 21:30.52 | Gecko | Hey guys. I know this might not be the 100% right forum, as I'm running ubuntu and not debian, but I have a hardcore problem, and you guys usually know your stuff much better. I've got a cascaded problem that happened after a distribution reinstall. I got four disks where two of them has previously been used for raid. One of those disks has an lvm system that is now unusable. The partitions of the two disks doesn't show up in /dev, but I can see them with fdisk. I ma |
| 21:30.56 | vasi | is there a better way to do this? |
| 21:31.04 | davbook | Gecko: /j #ubuntu |
| 21:31.32 | simonrvn | vasi: stop installing "desktop" you'll save ~200-250 MB |
| 21:31.43 | Gecko | davbook: have you any idea of what the signal to noise ratio of that channel is? |
| 21:31.43 | simonrvn | ...probably more.. |
| 21:31.43 | vasi | simonrvn: ask i said, i unchecked all options |
| 21:31.47 | vasi | including X and desktop |
| 21:32.07 | abrotman | Gecko: we cannot support debian-based distros, please try #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 21:32.18 | simonrvn | and it still brought 750 MB? you sure you unchecked that stuff? |
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| 21:32.29 | vasi | simonrvn: positive |
| 21:32.38 | Macer | wtf |
| 21:32.47 | Macer | it is like it isn't even reading the settings in interfaces |
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| 21:32.57 | Guerin | davbook: not for valued of `fine' including `stays the fuck out of my way and doesn't bother me' |
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| 21:33.05 | Guerin | davbook: viz, the only one I care about |
| 21:33.24 | simonrvn | whoah, weird. woody didn't go over 600 MB with gvim and other things. |
| 21:33.35 | simonrvn | (around 450-500) |
| 21:33.46 | vasi | simonrvn: ah, there were some packages sitting in /var/cache/apt |
| 21:33.50 | vasi | but it's still 500 MB |
| 21:33.59 | simonrvn | that's about right |
| 21:34.01 | vasi | is that really as small as debian goes? |
| 21:34.30 | gravity | Don't install recommends |
| 21:34.39 | Macer | omfg |
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| 21:34.42 | gravity | Although... why are you optimizing for small install size? |
| 21:34.45 | simonrvn | it can go smaller. but you start getting into emdebian, or using bad udeb hacks (which i don't recommend, udebs are only for d-i) |
| 21:34.55 | gravity | Just buy a second drive for your porn |
| 21:34.59 | vasi | gravity: heh |
| 21:35.01 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 21:35.02 | Macer | auto eth0 |
| 21:35.05 | Macer | was what was missing |
| 21:35.08 | Macer | lame |
| 21:35.10 | Baneo | why when i su would i get No such file or directory returned? ive changed passwd file and /bin/bash exists |
| 21:35.17 | davbook | Guerin: good exception |
| 21:35.19 | Macer | sorry for taking up your time... but the doc i was reading didn't have that option |
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| 21:35.41 | simonrvn | Macer: which is why i don't use network-manager. though it seems upstream knows about this stuff already. |
| 21:36.01 | sepult | how does changing preferences to stable affect the ip ??? |
| 21:36.05 | streuner_ | sepult: ftp.de.debian.org seems to be dead at the moment, btw |
| 21:36.07 | Macer | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 21:36.16 | Macer | I was looking at 10.6.1.1 |
| 21:36.18 | sepult | it's not |
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| 21:36.49 | streuner_ | yeah, its working again now |
| 21:36.55 | blackgraz | congrats |
| 21:37.04 | Macer | there isn't an option for auto.. but it is working now.. i just happened to notice it on the lo interface in interfaces |
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| 21:37.43 | sepult | i can#t go stable |
| 21:37.53 | yaaar | rgammans: sorry, was afk for a sec. i tried 'dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6.26-2' as well as -2.6, -2.6.26, and -2.6.26-2-686 ...all of them tell me the package is not installed |
| 21:38.25 | adb | linux-image-. |
| 21:38.25 | rgammans | yaaar, dpkg --get-selections | grep `uname -r` |
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| 21:38.41 | rgammans | adb, good catch... |
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| 21:40.39 | meshuggah | I am using debian Lenny, P4 1.5ghz 256mb ram, Geforce4 64mb, will adding a Geforce4 128mb would be really better? |
| 21:41.07 | gray-- | yeah, it will be better |
| 21:41.11 | elik | meshuggah, what for? |
| 21:41.13 | sepult | yes |
| 21:41.13 | centHOGG | meshuggah: everything is great except major ram deficioncy |
| 21:41.22 | yaaar | adb; oh wow....no wonder. thanks |
| 21:41.40 | vasi | meshuggah: nice nick |
| 21:41.44 | adb | yw |
| 21:41.51 | meshuggah | I am using this computer on 100% debian, doing everything i need to, games, video, chat, everything |
| 21:41.55 | Macer | thanks for the help |
| 21:41.58 | Macer | goign to move this box now :) |
| 21:42.04 | meshuggah | and I got rambus rdram, I cant find some |
| 21:42.12 | elik | meshuggah, if you do games, like some first person shooter, of course it will help |
| 21:42.14 | yaaar | ok, looks like i got it going. 'dpk-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26-2-686' did it |
| 21:42.21 | elik | meshuggah, for the rest, I'd look for some ram... |
| 21:42.28 | sepult | sram |
| 21:42.28 | meshuggah | elik, yes i Know |
| 21:42.30 | meshuggah | :) |
| 21:42.33 | yaaar | and now after a lot of output i'm back to a prompt |
| 21:42.35 | meshuggah | vasi, thank |
| 21:42.42 | meshuggah | chaos A.D. |
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| 21:43.12 | rgammans | yaaar, Now - if your lucky it will reboot Ok. If not, Um. |
| 21:43.12 | meshuggah | elijahwright, so playing alien arena, it will be like 5%, 15%, 25%, 50% better, do you know? :)))))) |
| 21:43.23 | meshuggah | elik, so playing alien arena, it will be like 5%, 15%, 25%, 50% better, do you know? :)))))) |
| 21:43.25 | meshuggah | sorry |
| 21:43.27 | yaaar | rgammans: sounds good...rebooting now. |
| 21:43.28 | rgammans | yaaar, I assume when you say fresh install yo mean on an empty system |
| 21:43.35 | centHOGG | meshuggah: check out ebay.. they have some nice deals now and then |
| 21:43.41 | Baneo | why when i su would i get No such file or directory returned? ive changed passwd file and /bin/bash exists? any help woudl be great |
| 21:43.52 | meshuggah | centHOGG, yea, but right now, creditcard=95% full |
| 21:43.54 | yaaar | rgammans: yeah, the drives were blank when i started the install |
| 21:44.02 | elik | meshuggah, no idea... sorry. but it's still an old computer, so don't expect miracles... |
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| 21:44.09 | centHOGG | yeah |
| 21:44.25 | yaaar | rgammans: don't know if it matters, but when it was shutting down it said two of the md devices failed spin-down because they were busy |
| 21:44.31 | yaaar | or rather, failed umount |
| 21:44.39 | rgammans | yaaar, I ask because the installer normally get this right - and it quite possible we haven't fond the root problem yet |
| 21:44.41 | meshuggah | elik, do you know if removeing geforce4 64mb, and putting geforce4 128mb will screw my xorg.conf another time? |
| 21:44.57 | meshuggah | elik, and i wont be able to boot in xfce |
| 21:45.04 | rgammans | yaaar, I think thats a red herring |
| 21:45.07 | meshuggah | elik, i am newbie |
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| 21:45.39 | epsilon | no you usualy select the chipset, not the mem size. So replacing the card with same chipset won't screw up |
| 21:46.14 | yaaar | rgammans: yeah, i got the same boot message as before: "mdadm: no devices listed in conf file found" |
| 21:46.33 | rgammans | Darn |
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| 21:47.06 | centHOGG | yaaar: on that error i put a rootdelay=5 in grub |
| 21:47.18 | rgammans | And you say they are listed in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf - as seen from the busybox prompt |
| 21:47.23 | centHOGG | especially with SCSI drives cuz they spin up slower |
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| 21:47.58 | yaaar | rgammans: yes |
| 21:48.00 | elik | meshuggah, I don't think it will see the difference.. it's the same driver, most likely |
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| 21:48.27 | elik | meshuggah, but if you don,t have any other computer, keep the old 64mb at hand maybe :P |
| 21:48.31 | yaaar | it hasn't dropped me to busybox yet this time (last time took a few minutes) but when it does i'll try to put that rootdelay in there |
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| 21:48.42 | rgammans | yaaar, Do you know how to use grub to try centHOGG's suggestion? |
| 21:48.49 | yaaar | i think so |
| 21:48.54 | meshuggah | elik, i bought it + usb 2.0 pci card(5 port) for 10$ |
| 21:48.56 | yaaar | don't i just have to mount /boot and edit menu.lst |
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| 21:49.14 | meshuggah | elik, but not sure if i am wanting to screw with xorg.conf another time tonight |
| 21:49.15 | rgammans | yaaar, Well yes, but you can also no it from the grub menu |
| 21:49.21 | yaaar | i mean, in this case obviously i'll need the mdadm --assemble -scan bit |
| 21:49.40 | elik | meshuggah, put it in, start up, if it doesn't work, put the old one back in :) |
| 21:49.42 | meshuggah | elik, a store in my city is closing, and sell everything cheap |
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| 21:50.01 | elik | meshuggah, but as I said, it's not a big difference, so xorg.conf shouldn't have to be modified |
| 21:50.01 | meshuggah | elik, ok, i will think about it, anyway thank for your time |
| 21:50.09 | elik | np |
| 21:50.13 | desja004 | i am trying to run xflock4 and it tells me that xlock is not found. however, when i run apt-file search xlock i don't get an appropriate hit. anyone know what i need to install? |
| 21:50.59 | yaaar | ok, got my busybox prompt, assembled raid devs, booting now... |
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| 21:52.18 | desja004 | hmm...curiously my quicklauncher for xfce4 is in french whereas everything else in english |
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| 21:53.10 | Eulex | desja004, the panel plugin? |
| 21:53.11 | yaaar | centHOGG: rgammans: does the order matter much on that rootdelay argument? i just put in in grub.conf on the next line after the title, will that work? |
| 21:53.44 | centHOGG | yaaar: put that command after rw on the kernel line.. do you see that line |
| 21:53.53 | centHOGG | almost at the end of the line |
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| 21:54.17 | yaaar | centHOGG: yes, i see it. ok |
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| 21:55.21 | rgammans | yaaar, What's the system /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf while your here? |
| 21:55.24 | yaaar | centHOGG: oh, actually i have ro instead of rw. but i'll put it in between ro and quiet |
| 21:55.32 | centHOGG | yeah |
| 21:57.09 | yaaar | rgammans: it's a lot like the one from busybox, except at the top it has some lines like "DEVICE partitions" |
| 21:57.36 | yaaar | alright. gonna try and reboot |
| 21:57.50 | rgammans | yaaar, go ahead |
| 21:57.54 | adb | yaaar: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 21:58.28 | desja004 | Eulex: yes |
| 21:58.35 | desja004 | Eulex: just the properties menu entry |
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| 21:58.56 | ttl- | hi |
| 21:58.59 | descention | hi |
| 21:59.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !hi |
| 21:59.04 | dpkg | hello, sh4d3sl4y3r_ |
| 21:59.08 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lolz |
| 21:59.11 | centHOGG | <wfw310 |
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| 21:59.50 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !nickometer centHOGG |
| 21:59.51 | dpkg | 'centHOGG' is 69.000% lame, sh4d3sl4y3r_ |
| 22:00.11 | yaaar | sweet! got it booted |
| 22:00.16 | centHOGG | !love centHOGG |
| 22:00.16 | dpkg | makes love to centHOGG, caressing centHOGG's hair, whispering sweet nothings in centHOGG's ear... |
| 22:00.21 | Honeyman | Hi all. Can anyone suggest where I could find linux-image-2.6.28-1-amd64 (with matching -headers, kbuild, etc)? Not available in official repos already... |
| 22:00.21 | et | !nickometer sh4d3sl4y3r_ |
| 22:00.23 | dpkg | 'sh4d3sl4y3r_' is 52.000% lame, et |
| 22:00.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !spank centHOGG |
| 22:00.32 | dpkg | bends centHOGG over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 22:00.46 | centHOGG | :0 |
| 22:00.48 | ttl- | I've experienced a kerneloops on Lenny a few hours ago, now i have a kerneloops client icon in my gnome system panel |
| 22:01.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 906] by debhelper |
| 22:01.06 | ttl- | clicking on it does nothing |
| 22:01.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !debhelper |
| 22:01.20 | dpkg | hmm... debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot |
| 22:01.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :S |
| 22:01.38 | themill | sh4d3sl4y3r_: /msg dpkg ... |
| 22:01.48 | yaaar | adm, 'cat /proc/cmdline' produced this output: 'root=/dev/md2 ro rootdelay=5 quiet' |
| 22:02.21 | yaaar | anyway, thanks a ton everybody. especially rgammans and centHOGG, you guys rule |
| 22:02.29 | centHOGG | :) |
| 22:02.30 | descention | i'm unfamiliar with debian. if i donwload the usb/net install, i can download linux kernel 2.6.29 right off the bat, right? |
| 22:02.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yaaar is from? |
| 22:02.47 | rgammans | No probs. |
| 22:02.59 | rgammans | Must go,now though |
| 22:03.29 | centHOGG | descention: never tried yet, but I just download the XFCE cd if I'm gonna burn a cd |
| 22:04.01 | themill | descention: not trivially. 2.6.29 is only in unstable, and if you're not familiar with debian, I wouldn't recommend you use unstable. |
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| 22:04.47 | descention | i looked a small bit and wanted to find if kernel 2.6.28 was available but only saw .29 |
| 22:04.48 | Eulex | desja004, the output of locale doesn't have anything that has to do with spanish in it? |
| 22:06.40 | centHOGG | OT: how do all those noobs on ubuntu IRC get ahold of Win7? |
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| 22:07.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | cause ubuntu encourages sticking to windows because of wubi ? |
| 22:07.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | xD |
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| 22:08.13 | centHOGG | probably gets passed out in the cafeteria :0 |
| 22:08.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !fart |
| 22:08.39 | dpkg | farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" |
| 22:08.48 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | with i could redirect this to #ubuntu |
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| 22:08.50 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
| 22:09.42 | centHOGG | gonna bail for dinner :P |
| 22:09.44 | centHOGG | tc |
| 22:09.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | tv |
| 22:09.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | *tc |
| 22:10.02 | ttl- | what is the kerneloops client doing in my gnome panel ? |
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| 22:14.12 | sepult | fucking shit why does it pull in packages from sid when i pinned everything to lenny!!!! |
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| 22:14.30 | sepult | and even put it in apt.conf |
| 22:15.12 | streuner_ | first generell Debian lesson, Dont use pinning |
| 22:15.36 | streuner_ | pinning is a genius idea, but in praxis it gives you only headaches |
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| 22:15.53 | jetpda | practice |
| 22:16.03 | streuner_ | yeah |
| 22:16.35 | streuner_ | the result is usually bobbitt |
| 22:16.38 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 22:16.39 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 22:16.39 | themill | sepult: because you failed at pinning |
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| 22:17.23 | sepult | themill: how ? |
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| 22:18.21 | themill | sepult: without working on my esp-over-internet skills, that's a bit harder for me to say. But I can tell you that if that sort of pinning is not working, then you've stuffed up. |
| 22:19.22 | sepult | Package:* |
| 22:19.27 | sepult | Pin: release a=lenny |
| 22:19.33 | sepult | Pin-Priority:1001 |
| 22:19.39 | sepult | that's all i have |
| 22:19.57 | Sebboh | I'm running Debian Stable (32bit) inside a VMware virtual machine. What kernel should I select? The host is a 32bit windows workstation, no VT extensions. |
| 22:20.00 | sepult | and DefaultRelease "lenny" in apt.conf |
| 22:20.18 | nkuttler | sepult: what do you want to install anyway? using or building backports is much better than pinning |
| 22:20.19 | themill | sepult: that's weird/wrong on so many levels. |
| 22:20.46 | jetpda | wtf do you mean your esp over ata isn't working... you're fired! |
| 22:21.17 | sepult | themill: why |
| 22:21.21 | themill | sepult: (a) don't use pinning to mix stable and sid, use backports instead. /msg dpkg backport. (b) you have to use release states (stable) not names (lenny). (c) why 1001? |
| 22:21.56 | sepult | themill: that's why i was wondering, i used stable and it could not connect at all |
| 22:22.06 | themill | "connect"? |
| 22:22.08 | sepult | themill: then changed it back to lenny |
| 22:22.13 | sepult | themill: yes connect!!! |
| 22:22.19 | sepult | themill: like apt-get update |
| 22:22.25 | themill | that has nothing to do with pinning |
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| 22:22.37 | sepult | themill: not ? |
| 22:23.05 | sepult | themill: why can it connect when i pin it to lenny but not stable ? |
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| 22:23.40 | nkuttler | sepult: again, don't use pinning |
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| 22:24.20 | sepult | nkuttler: you are'nt really helpfull |
| 22:24.21 | nkuttler | sepult: ok, good luck then |
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| 22:24.21 | sepult | nkuttler: many sites tell you can use pinning |
| 22:24.21 | sepult | nkuttler: even kde sites |
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| 22:24.21 | themill | sepult: why are you trying to use pinning |
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| 22:24.55 | sepult | themill: to restrict everything to stable or lenny, even if i got other repositories set in my sources.list |
| 22:25.06 | Guerin | yes, many sites are intended for highly advanced users, and those sites take no responsibility for fuckups |
| 22:25.10 | themill | sepult: right... that's silly. Don't do that. |
| 22:25.18 | themill | sepult: And I have no clue what it is you're doing wrong with apt-get update... apt-get update does not even read the /etc/apt/preferences file so it's completely irrelevant. |
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| 22:25.24 | Guerin | sepult: solution: don't have other repos in sources.list. |
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| 22:25.38 | RedMushroom | how can i make "chmod a+x" work on an entire directory |
| 22:25.39 | RedMushroom | ? |
| 22:25.46 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: recursive, man chmod |
| 22:25.47 | sepult | apt-get does not read it ? |
| 22:25.56 | sepult | what the hell |
| 22:25.57 | jetpda | * ? |
| 22:26.05 | Guerin | jetpda: /msg dpkg abs |
| 22:26.05 | themill | sepult: "apt-get update" does not read it. Please read. |
| 22:26.06 | sepult | does it not reside in /etc/apt ??? |
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| 22:26.37 | spyroboy | debian testing, Linux britestar 2.6.23.1-spyroboy #15 SMP Wed Apr 9 16:38:13 EDT 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:26.44 | spyroboy | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the python-reportbug package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 22:26.44 | spyroboy | E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download |
| 22:26.44 | spyroboy | any idea what that means? |
| 22:26.44 | spyroboy | http://pastebin.ca/1405448 |
| 22:26.45 | *** kick/#debian [spyroboy!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
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| 22:26.56 | spyroboy | thanks. |
| 22:27.00 | spyroboy | great stuff. |
| 22:27.04 | nkuttler | !tell spyroboy about paste |
| 22:27.18 | jetpda | these wwomen are a lot more interesting than this... |
| 22:27.21 | spyroboy | hey nkuttler I used a paste. |
| 22:27.30 | jetpda | mmmmmm |
| 22:27.43 | nkuttler | spyroboy: read what the bot told you |
| 22:28.44 | spyroboy | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/34602/ |
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| 22:29.07 | spyroboy | last time I checked, though, pastebin.ca was a valid paste resource. |
| 22:29.19 | nkuttler | spyroboy: oh, right, sorry |
| 22:29.31 | spyroboy | yeah, really. thanks for shoving your bot in my face. |
| 22:29.42 | spyroboy | anyway, can someone assist me with this problem? |
| 22:29.46 | themill | spyroboy: we don't really care what pastebin you use, but just use the pastebin rather than also pasting into the channel... which is why you got kicked |
| 22:30.18 | spyroboy | themill: I prepared a message that consisted of four lines. |
| 22:30.28 | nkuttler | spyroboy: which is more than the bot allows |
| 22:30.30 | spyroboy | I don't understand how that's a kickable offense. |
| 22:31.06 | nkuttler | spyroboy: it's how things work here. do you have python-reportbug installed? |
| 22:31.21 | themill | spyroboy: you wrote 5 lines within a few seconds. That's indistinguishable from a stupid spammy flooder so you get kicked. It's very simple and standard irc etiquette to not do that. |
| 22:31.23 | spyroboy | nkuttler: I get the same error when installing python-reportbug as well. |
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| 22:32.30 | themill | spyroboy: do you have sufficient free space on your drive? |
| 22:32.31 | spyroboy | themill: regardless, nobody here decided to distinguish that it wasn't a stupid flood and still pushed some informative bot on me. can we just forget about it? |
| 22:32.31 | nkuttler | spyroboy: that error isn't very informative for me... i'd start by uninstalling python-reportbug |
| 22:32.35 | spyroboy | themill: yes |
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| 22:32.48 | spyroboy | nkuttler: iirc, I get the same error as well, let me try again |
| 22:33.12 | spyroboy | same error. |
| 22:33.28 | spyroboy | should I attempt to dpkg --purge python-reportbug? |
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| 22:33.56 | nkuttler | spyroboy: i'd try it |
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| 22:34.54 | spyroboy | I had to use --force-all --purge to get it to remove. |
| 22:35.07 | spyroboy | safe-upgrade still gives me the same error. |
| 22:35.08 | jetpda | I have to log off irc to see what time it is |
| 22:35.25 | spyroboy | I've also cleaned/update/safe-upgrade |
| 22:35.46 | themill | spyroboy: are you translating that error or transcribing it by hand or something? |
| 22:35.52 | spyroboy | themill: no |
| 22:36.01 | themill | what version of debian? |
| 22:36.05 | spyroboy | testing. |
| 22:36.25 | nkuttler | spyroboy: a quick google suggests reportbug is broken |
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| 22:36.31 | nkuttler | in ubuntu at least.. |
| 22:36.33 | spyroboy | nkuttler: I'm aware of that. |
| 22:36.40 | octoserver | i think i fugured out my problem, my sound card comes in at device 1 for alsamixer, not device 0, is there any way to change that since when it is device 1(not 0) i cant get any sound. seems like all of the apps send to device 0? |
| 22:36.45 | spyroboy | except I can't do anything |
| 22:37.00 | nkuttler | spyroboy: remove reportbug as well? |
| 22:37.40 | spyroboy | removed reportbug. error persists. |
| 22:38.08 | sepult | octoserver: get the alsa sources |
| 22:38.13 | sepult | octoserver: and patch it |
| 22:38.16 | sepult | lol |
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| 22:39.05 | RedMushroom | what's the command to see the list of running processes? |
| 22:39.05 | sepult | octoserver: get the alsa sources and make sure nothing is left from the alsa packages of the main debian distribution |
| 22:39.13 | sepult | octoserver: then compile |
| 22:39.17 | themill | spyroboy: what version of aptitude do you have here? (dpkg -l aptitude |tail -1) |
| 22:39.21 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: ps |
| 22:39.25 | RedMushroom | ty |
| 22:39.34 | octoserver | how does one deevice get priority over another device? it seems like my web cam is device 0 and the sound card is device 1 ? |
| 22:39.55 | spyroboy | themill: ii aptitude 0.4.11.11-1 |
| 22:39.56 | sepult | octoserver: that's in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 22:40.06 | sepult | octoserver: or in /etc/modprobe.conf if you have one |
| 22:40.30 | octoserver | sepult: i hoping if i can get it to be 0 , i might get sound again ? lol |
| 22:40.45 | sepult | octoserver: yes the index is it |
| 22:40.54 | spyroboy | hmmm... apt-get install aptitude seems to be doing something |
| 22:40.57 | themill | spyroboy: that text exists nowhere in the debian packages for aptitude, but a slightly different one does.... I'm presuming you're not making up the paste as you go along, but I can't explain why it's impossible. |
| 22:41.12 | sepult | octoserver: it's not indexed to 0 means there is another module already occupying card0 |
| 22:41.19 | spyroboy | themill: pardon? |
| 22:41.31 | sepult | octoserver: means you have to either change the index |
| 22:41.38 | spyroboy | what the hell .. apt-get install aptitude fixed everything |
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| 22:41.56 | themill | spyroboy: good ;) |
| 22:41.59 | octoserver | yea, my webcam audio , and my voip usb adapter both get put before my sound card |
| 22:42.04 | nkuttler | spyroboy: looks like you're using testing or unstable. breakage happens |
| 22:42.09 | sepult | octoserver: or if that's too messy for you, get rid of all the config files via purging alsa related packages, get the sources and build it |
| 22:42.14 | spyroboy | themill: that's not really good considering aptitude is recommended over apt-get. |
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| 22:42.22 | spyroboy | nkuttler: testing. |
| 22:42.26 | spyroboy | but ok. |
| 22:42.36 | themill | spyroboy: there are bugs in both. There are plenty of bugs in dpkg itself too... |
| 22:42.49 | spyroboy | well, if anyone comes in here with the same issue. I guess you know the answer directly. |
| 22:42.52 | simpleirc | e ai, noguchi! |
| 22:43.01 | spyroboy | themill: fair enough. |
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| 22:43.04 | noguchi | simpleirc, wassup nigga!! |
| 22:43.14 | spyroboy | well, thanks for taking the time to walk through this error with me. |
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| 22:43.17 | octoserver | sepult: is the vanilla (if i can say that) alsa better for solving this problem? |
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| 22:43.31 | sepult | octoserver: i think so |
| 22:43.51 | sepult | octoserver: you can install everything you need like say alsa-utils afterwards |
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| 22:45.23 | octoserver | sepult: i dont mind trying to change stuff to assure the index is zero for the sound card, but im not sure how yet lol |
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| 22:45.56 | sepult | octoserver: if it were just a couple of modules you had to assign indexes i would say ok, but too many of them really |
| 22:46.01 | pipegeek | I fucking love debootstrap |
| 22:46.02 | sepult | octoserver: it gets messy |
| 22:46.09 | pipegeek | pardon my language |
| 22:46.21 | octoserver | i see some stuff in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf that says it is to prevent abnormal drivers freom grabbing index 0. I guess it isnt working lol |
| 22:46.32 | octoserver | sepult: oh, i see |
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| 22:46.56 | sepult | octoserver: and you don't know which ones already pull in others |
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| 22:47.31 | kcyber | octoserver: i have 2 soundcards (on-board + vga hdmi out). i want my on-board to be first so. look here: http://paste.debian.net/34605/ |
| 22:47.48 | octoserver | sepult: theres no way to set the two that are causing the prblem as a particular number of choice like 3 and 4 ? :) |
| 22:48.15 | sepult | octoserver: no, that's not the way it is implemented |
| 22:48.18 | kcyber | octoserver: just find wich kernel module your cards use |
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| 22:50.43 | octoserver | kcyber: is that in a file called sound.conf ? |
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| 22:51.01 | octoserver | kcyber: or does that first line load a file called sound.conf ? |
| 22:51.26 | kcyber | octoserver: yes the filename is /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf |
| 22:51.45 | adb | here is in > cat /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
| 22:51.50 | octoserver | kcyber: i dont have one, so if i make one will deb see it? |
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| 22:52.08 | adb | octoserver: ^^ |
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| 22:53.21 | kcyber | octoserver: i don;t know. i can't remember whether i created it or it was there. |
| 22:53.57 | octoserver | kcyber: do you have an alsa-base.conf? i have a bunch of ccrap in that one |
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| 22:56.23 | octoserver | kcyber: you dont actually have the line /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf in side the file do you ? |
| 22:57.31 | sepult | why is /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base ever mentioning something like snd-hda-hwdep, if the module is called snd-hwdep ??? |
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| 22:58.40 | octoserver | i should just add the ones pissing me off on the black list h hehe |
| 22:59.59 | octoserver | # Keep snd-pcsp from beeing loaded as firstsoundcard |
| 23:00.00 | octoserver | options snd-pcsp index=-2 |
| 23:00.05 | sepult | module symbol names agains modules names ??? |
| 23:00.18 | sepult | so for the templating mechanism then |
| 23:00.22 | kcyber | octoserver: no don't add the first line. it's the filename. |
| 23:00.24 | sepult | hrmmm |
| 23:00.25 | octoserver | seems like i can maybe add the ones i dont want to grab 0 and set as -2 ? |
| 23:00.40 | sepult | octoserver: i tried that it gave me errors |
| 23:00.49 | octoserver | in the alsa-base.conf file they do that for some |
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| 23:01.13 | octoserver | ok, well im going to try the sound.conf file setting my sound card to 0 and see if it takes it |
| 23:01.44 | octoserver | how do i know that the sound.conf file will get loaded in time to set the changes, or get loaded at all ? |
| 23:01.55 | kcyber | octoserver: set the one you want to user as number 0 and the other as 1 |
| 23:02.31 | octoserver | kcyber: i have two others that seem to compete, they are the mic on ym webcam, and my voip usb adapter |
| 23:02.50 | octoserver | kcyber: what if i dont add them at all? will it just put them in next? |
| 23:03.05 | kcyber | octoserver: maybe... |
| 23:03.35 | octoserver | kcyber: k, ill try that first |
| 23:03.49 | kcyber | octoserver: edit the file, restart alsa and check with alsaconf which is the default |
| 23:04.03 | kcyber | octoserver: alsamixer not alsaconf |
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| 23:04.10 | octoserver | right |
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| 23:05.01 | loomsen | gd evening |
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| 23:05.12 | octoserver | kcyber: qare you sure restarting alsa-ustils restart will work since i did that once after just unplging one of them and alsa didnt even load up,.maybe i have to reboot ? |
| 23:07.03 | loomsen | octoserver: you don't have to restart unless you install some other kernel you wanna boot into... |
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| 23:07.49 | loomsen | octoserver: if just changed some config init.d will be just fine |
| 23:07.57 | faffi | How do I get alsa to play sound from lets say amarok and iceweasel, according to the documentation with the version of libasound I have I shouldn't need to do anything but it doesnt work |
| 23:09.01 | octoserver | i did that and restarted alsa and my mixer is still lol arrrrg |
| 23:10.48 | octoserver | even with the webcam and voip adapter unpllluged and restarting alsa, they still keep there index numbers, and alsa doesnt even start except for using index 1 whiuch is where the card gets stuck hmm |
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| 23:12.07 | twinkie_addict | hi |
| 23:12.36 | loomsen | sup addict |
| 23:12.40 | twinkie_addict | how hard is it to teather a blackberry to debian ? |
| 23:13.25 | sepult | maybe like getting usb to work, and install your blackberry software on it ? |
| 23:13.29 | loomsen | â should've had his G2 already :/ |
| 23:13.35 | twinkie_addict | this box has no direct internet access so i have to use my phone the is curntly running windws ack\ |
| 23:13.41 | sepult | never used my phone on it |
| 23:13.49 | sepult | hmmmm, have to try that |
| 23:14.58 | twinkie_addict | its not to bad not greese lightnig but faster bay far than basic dialup |
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| 23:15.12 | loomsen | twinkie_addict: same here, had to use my phone as well... was easy as connecting it through usb (my phone has an option... usb = internet kinda |
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| 23:15.34 | twinkie_addict | nice |
| 23:15.49 | twinkie_addict | what phone you have ? |
| 23:16.08 | loomsen | we got a router with an umts stick in the meanwhile, sony ericsson k800i |
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| 23:16.54 | loomsen | and tommorow, long awaited, the phone guy will hopefully get us up again |
| 23:17.02 | twinkie_addict | nice i have the blackberry curve 8310 |
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| 23:17.48 | loomsen | twinkie_addict: considered to buy a blackberry too, but decided to wait for G2 |
| 23:17.50 | loomsen | :P |
| 23:17.56 | twinkie_addict | ii got the coolest deal on this box :) |
| 23:18.02 | sepult | forgot that one i sad myself already, put now only stable in my preferences and all is workie |
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| 23:18.44 | loomsen | sepult: concerning what? |
| 23:18.49 | loomsen | just curious |
| 23:19.06 | sepult | loomsen: ?? |
| 23:19.20 | loomsen | and all is workie |
| 23:19.27 | Sebboh | Sorry for my little quit/join storm. Dunno what happened there. |
| 23:19.29 | sepult | loomsen: concerning sid packages being removed and not pulled in, and a right pinning |
| 23:19.29 | twinkie_addict | it a gatwaye p4 3.26 ghz with hyperthreading 200 gig hd 1 gig of ram and an ati radion with a full suround soud speakerset for 100 dollers |
| 23:19.51 | loomsen | sepult: i see |
| 23:20.39 | twinkie_addict | pretty nice bargon |
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| 23:20.53 | Sebboh | Question: what's the right way for me to have a person key pair that I can use for multiple purposes, like ssh login on multiple machines, or signing my emails, or whathaveyou? So far, I've been making a new keypair on each new machine I build... |
| 23:21.50 | loomsen | reimport your old rather than building a new then ^^ you gotta fetch debian keyring dev package |
| 23:21.52 | octoserver | well, i added that file, and the sound card didnt even load up at all lol |
| 23:21.56 | themill | sepult: the easiest way of getting pinning right is to only have repos for one release in your sources.list... :) |
| 23:22.03 | loomsen | add your key, build it, export it, done |
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| 23:22.57 | sepult | yaaaah, and then my remote admin shall send me sid packages as lenny not ? |
| 23:23.02 | sepult | lol |
| 23:23.05 | glas | hey all.. |
| 23:23.07 | sepult | <- paranoid |
| 23:23.14 | twinkie_addict | hi |
| 23:23.43 | glas | how can I determine if the debian installed in my machine is 32 it or 64 bit |
| 23:23.43 | glas | ? |
| 23:24.07 | glas | i686 is 32 bit right? |
| 23:24.22 | loomsen | yes |
| 23:24.28 | loomsen | uname -m |
| 23:24.57 | twinkie_addict | than its 36 bit |
| 23:25.08 | twinkie_addict | 32 oops |
| 23:25.26 | glas | so what is the difference between i386 and i686 ? |
| 23:25.41 | abrotman | glas: dpkg-architecture |
| 23:25.58 | twinkie_addict | not much realy not realy save 64 bit is better with large amounts of ram |
| 23:26.01 | sepult | the difference is x86 |
| 23:26.07 | sepult | lol |
| 23:26.23 | dkr | 686 is pentium pro :) |
| 23:26.35 | sepult | i686 - i386 = x86 |
| 23:26.38 | sepult | maths |
| 23:26.45 | glas | okay.. thank you guys.. |
| 23:26.48 | loomsen | ouch! |
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| 23:27.01 | Sebboh | loomsen, keyring package. OK. I'll look into it. Thanks. |
| 23:27.07 | loomsen | yw |
| 23:27.10 | Arrowmaster | i have an i586 here |
| 23:27.21 | dkr | 686 just supports a few more cpu extensions for optimizing certain calculations |
| 23:27.39 | loomsen | guess it's explained somewhere within the local apt / apt-cache howto or so |
| 23:27.43 | sepult | i586 -i386 = x86~ |
| 23:27.53 | dkr | did you know they called the 586 a pentium because they found out they couldn't trademark a number? :) |
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| 23:28.24 | epsilon | hey! I still have my good old PC with 386-CPU 25MHz |
| 23:28.42 | Zarathushtra | apparently now it is legal to copyright a number |
| 23:28.57 | loomsen | lol rlly epsilon? reminds me of mine back then, had only 20mhz tho ^^ |
| 23:29.08 | sepult | lol |
| 23:29.15 | epsilon | sure, it's even functional |
| 23:29.27 | loomsen | bet it is |
| 23:29.30 | epsilon | and not in turbo mode, it's just 8MHz :) |
| 23:29.43 | loomsen | lol speed step revealed |
| 23:29.43 | twinkie_addict | :) |
| 23:30.16 | epsilon | with ass kicking 4MB of RAM and a graphic card with 256KB (!) RAM |
| 23:30.23 | epsilon | ISA 8Bit graphic |
| 23:30.28 | Arrowmaster | i have a 386 that still gets used, its got a dotmatrix printer connected to it and is used for printing out reports from an old dos database program |
| 23:30.37 | epsilon | Doom 1 compatible! |
| 23:30.46 | glas | btw.. I have another issue.. my laptop is a widescreen one with debian. I cant change the screen resolution in it. nay idea? |
| 23:30.47 | twinkie_addict | i it ran dos like hell though |
| 23:30.54 | Arrowmaster | most usage of the program is done using dosbox though, but i still havent found a dos emulator that supports printers |
| 23:31.11 | loomsen | i remember i made a good deal back then, guess i found someone giving me his amiga for it or so |
| 23:31.14 | abrotman | glas: xrandr .. does it show any other supported resolutions? |
| 23:31.41 | loomsen | before i had a schneider :D matrix style, green pixels black bg |
| 23:31.45 | epsilon | I upgraded the box recently to 8MB RAM. Windows 3.11 started twice faster :) |
| 23:31.58 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: uhm .. there is one, dosemu i think? |
| 23:32.29 | loomsen | you should try some of these upcoming logFSs with it, that would be interesting |
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| 23:33.31 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: i know a friend of mine was supporting an accounting system running on dos on top of linux .. and they were able to print IIRC |
| 23:33.42 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
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| 23:34.05 | adb | epsilon: i installed sarge with fai on 386 , ~ 36 hours |
| 23:34.15 | Adalid_Negro | hey please que anda mal con mi comando sudo mount /dev/sdb /media/ |
| 23:34.23 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:34.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:34.30 | loomsen | mount -t |
| 23:34.32 | Arrowmaster | well the issue then is that it only works on linux, so i would have to set it up in a linux VM running on windows, and it still wouldnt be able to print |
| 23:34.38 | epsilon | adb: i386? amen |
| 23:34.45 | adb | yes |
| 23:34.47 | Adalid_Negro | tanks |
| 23:35.14 | epsilon | is i386 still in lenny or is it dropped? |
| 23:35.29 | adb | only i486 |
| 23:35.36 | epsilon | crap :-( |
| 23:35.45 | adb | i agree |
| 23:35.48 | loomsen | epsilon: how? does debian maintain a pure64 in the meanwhile? |
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| 23:36.06 | Arrowmaster | unless i setup the dotmatrix (the connected papers are a requirement for this) printer as a networked printed on another machine, and i have no clue how well that would work |
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| 23:36.50 | glas | abrotman: I am using gnome, gnome-control-center shows an icon for resolution.. but when I click on it, it shows a gray colored box.. no resolution is written there |
| 23:36.52 | epsilon | ihhks 64bit... feel the power of good old 386/486 :) |
| 23:37.03 | simonrvn | abrotman: i told Adalid_Negro that hours ago (in the other #d iirc) |
| 23:37.05 | abrotman | glas: check with xrandr |
| 23:37.06 | loomsen | lol |
| 23:37.10 | abrotman | simonrvn: no .. it was here |
| 23:37.12 | bassliner | anyone an idea what i can do if my router box running dnsmasq resolves its hostname "bla.lan" to 127.0.1.1 to clients asking it? |
| 23:37.31 | loomsen | <-- commodore64 addict |
| 23:37.38 | abrotman | !ot |
| 23:37.38 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 23:37.52 | abrotman | bassliner: why is that a problem? |
| 23:37.58 | abrotman | bassliner: what's in /etc/hosts |
| 23:38.07 | epsilon | these were still "computers", today 64bits are just high tech junk from taiwan |
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| 23:38.11 | abrotman | bassliner: ignore the "why is that a problem" bit :) |
| 23:38.19 | glas | abrotman: please see this http://pastebin.com/m24b34513 |
| 23:38.26 | bassliner | abrotman: well because actually i do have clients asking for myrouter.lan whose are getting 127.0.1.1, which actually is their own localhost ip :) |
| 23:38.38 | abrotman | bassliner: yeah yeah .. i realized that after i said it |
| 23:38.41 | abrotman | bassliner: what's in /etc/hosts |
| 23:38.42 | bassliner | abrotman: doesn't matter what i put in hosts |
| 23:38.59 | abrotman | glas: so you're at the max? you want it less? |
| 23:39.09 | bassliner | abrotman: i could just append something like "192.168.1.1 hostname.lan" to it but this wouldn't make any change at all |
| 23:39.20 | bassliner | abrotman: i've tested that of course :) |
| 23:39.21 | abrotman | bassliner: but what else is in it? |
| 23:39.33 | hausha | I was adding PATHs to my system ($ export PATH.....) Now no commands work. "Command not found". How can I undo this? |
| 23:39.33 | bassliner | abrotman: some localhost definitions i bet :) |
| 23:39.44 | abrotman | bassliner: paste.debian.net |
| 23:40.02 | glas | thing is.. the display is not good.. its like bulged.. |
| 23:40.12 | bassliner | abrotman: aaaaaah |
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| 23:40.16 | bassliner | abrotman: gotcha |
| 23:40.21 | glas | abrotman: thing is.. the display is not good.. its like bulged.. |
| 23:40.30 | bassliner | abrotman: should i comment that one out? |
| 23:40.32 | abrotman | glas: it's a widescreen display? what is your video card? |
| 23:40.36 | abrotman | bassliner: won't know til i see it |
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| 23:41.15 | bassliner | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/34607/ |
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| 23:41.46 | bassliner | abrotman: that at least clarifies why it resolves to both 127.0.1.1 and 192.168.1.100 :) |
| 23:41.48 | abrotman | bassliner: so when you look up 'silence.lan' .. it returns the 127.0.1.1 ? |
| 23:41.53 | bassliner | abrotman: yea |
| 23:42.00 | abrotman | bassliner: so .. got a hint? |
| 23:42.13 | bassliner | abrotman: yeah of course bro :) |
| 23:42.16 | bassliner | abrotman: thanks man |
| 23:42.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !nickometer abrotman |
| 23:42.26 | dpkg | 'abrotman' is 0.000% lame, sh4d3sl4y3r_ |
| 23:42.33 | bassliner | lol |
| 23:42.40 | bassliner | !nickometer bassliner |
| 23:42.42 | dpkg | 'bassliner' is 0.000% lame, bassliner |
| 23:42.49 | bassliner | hm. |
| 23:42.53 | bassliner | !nickometer sh4d3sl4y3r_ |
| 23:42.55 | dpkg | 'sh4d3sl4y3r_' is 52.000% lame, bassliner |
| 23:42.57 | bassliner | lol |
| 23:43.01 | abrotman | please don't play with the bot in here .. /msg the bot if you must |
| 23:43.03 | subsume | !nickometer |
| 23:43.04 | dpkg | '' is 0.000% lame, subsume |
| 23:43.13 | glas | abrotman: please check it http://pastebin.com/m190bef25 |
| 23:43.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman did you program this bot? |
| 23:43.32 | sepult | !nickometer |
| 23:43.33 | dpkg | '' is 0.000% lame, sepult |
| 23:43.36 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: i'm just asking you to stop playing with it |
| 23:43.43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i stopped |
| 23:43.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i asked who is behind thid intelligent bot |
| 23:43.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | *this |
| 23:43.54 | bassliner | abrotman: in my current state of mind playing with bots in public channels is great fun, tho i have to apologize for taking drugs and then coming here and will not bother you anymore with it. thanks in advance for your help tho. :-) |
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| 23:43.55 | abrotman | it's an open source program |
| 23:44.11 | abrotman | bassliner: it's not 'fun' if there are 850 all playing iwth the bot |
| 23:44.18 | abrotman | glas: lenny? |
| 23:44.21 | bassliner | that's correct. |
| 23:44.25 | bassliner | bye and thanks :) |
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| 23:44.54 | glas | abrotman: yea |
| 23:45.00 | abrotman | glas: lspci -nn .. put that in the pastebin |
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| 23:46.14 | glas | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m39ea629e |
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| 23:46.49 | abrotman | glas: lenny's intel driver has no idea what that card is |
| 23:47.04 | thirdwheel_ | !nickometer thirdwheel_ |
| 23:47.05 | dpkg | 'thirdwheel_' is 0.000% lame, thirdwheel_ |
| 23:47.20 | abrotman | leave the damn bot alone |
| 23:47.22 | glas | abrotman: so what to do? |
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| 23:47.30 | abrotman | glas: what is this machine for? |
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| 23:48.05 | thirdwheel_ | neat |
| 23:48.20 | Sebboh | I have a long standing problem with sudo, in that it doesn't work when the network isn't configured properly. "can't resolve host my-host", or something to that effect. Since don't have a password on my root account generally, this is a problem. How can I fix that? And I don't mean by making sure that the host can always be resolved, because I tried that and there's multiple ways to fail. :P |
| 23:48.35 | thirdwheel_ | i'm guessing it would check for numbers like 4 or 3 that replace letters, and the percentage is the ratio of the number of characters against the length of the string |
| 23:48.42 | glas | abrotman: its my laptop (dell inspiron 15) |
| 23:49.03 | simonrvn | Sebboh: check your /etc/nsswitch.conf; your pam.d/sudo |
| 23:49.03 | abrotman | glas: unfortunately, the intel driver in squeeze is currently the same .. |
| 23:49.13 | abrotman | gravity: can you backport just the driver? |
| 23:49.17 | loomsen | Sebboh: you dont need a root account, you user should just have administrative rights |
| 23:49.20 | loomsen | sudo su - |
| 23:49.26 | loomsen | and you're root |
| 23:49.28 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 23:50.16 | adama_ | !sudosmite everyone |
| 23:50.17 | dpkg | takes a lump of 2x4 to everyone and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!" |
| 23:50.24 | gravity | abrotman: I don't think so these days |
| 23:50.24 | glas | abrotman: so I cant change the resolution ? :( |
| 23:50.46 | loomsen | glas: which kernel are you running? |
| 23:51.08 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman: Is the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver for testing same as lenny? Because the unstable driver which is I presume 2.7 is giving me problems for compiz. Where it works for the old driver. My card is Intel 965GM |
| 23:51.38 | abrotman | glas: not easily .. i won't recommend you to use unstable |
| 23:51.51 | Sebboh | loomsen, I'm talking about a specific situation where sudo becomes broken. Note the 'sudo' in your suggestion. ..And, whatthef, adama_? I reserve the right to configure my deb machines how I want. :P 99% of the carpet-bomb attempted logon attacks I see in my logs are targeted at the root account; I laugh. |
| 23:52.03 | loomsen | erm, driver for most intel cards got deprecated with KMS |
| 23:52.08 | glas | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m6a7a2d62 |
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| 23:52.44 | Sebboh | simonrvn, thx, checking. |
| 23:53.07 | simonrvn | loomsen: "Sebboh: you dont need a root account, you user should just have administrative rights" >> brain damaged comment, IMO. |
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| 23:53.21 | magyar | hi, I'm trying to change the password for an ldap user with smbldap-passwd and get the error "Failed to modify UNIX password: attribute 'shadowLastChange' not allowed at /usr/sbin/smbldap-passwd line 285, <STDIN> line 2." |
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| 23:55.35 | loomsen | very well said simon... you got brain 1.1alpha running already right? |
| 23:56.34 | abrotman | glas: right, but the intel driver in both lenny and squeeze don't support that card as of yet |
| 23:57.06 | Sebboh | loomsen, FYI, I have a root account, it just doesn't have a valid password hash, resulting in any password = always wrong. Then I become root all the time via sudo. As adama_ pointed out, this is the default mode of operation for Ubuntu for some time, and I did see it there first, but now I use it on all my unixes. |
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| 23:57.32 | simonrvn | rolls eyes |
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| 23:58.11 | keith4__ | is there some trick to getting flash working in lenny? i installed flashplugin-nonfree from lenny backports, open icewasel, go to hulu.com and it says "flash player 9 or higher required" |
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| 23:58.33 | glas | abrotman: ohh.. my bad.. |
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| 23:59.24 | v4nelle | guys there is any problem if i use targered initrd on expert install? |
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| 23:59.58 | simonrvn | keith4__: check your addons, make sure it's the right version, and don't have some stray flash plugins there. |
