| 00:00.01 | Sebboh | Gosh, I hope not, v4nelle. I do believe that I just selected that option whilst you were typing the question. :P |
| 00:00.27 | loomsen | http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz |
| 00:00.28 | v4nelle | lol |
| 00:00.56 | v4nelle | Sebboh, good luck then :p |
| 00:00.58 | simonrvn | ... |
| 00:01.02 | loomsen | there a 64bit alpha of fp10 available too |
| 00:01.04 | keith4__ | simonrvn: odd, it's not listed there... |
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| 00:01.42 | Sebboh | v4nelle what kinda problems are you getting? |
| 00:01.51 | simonrvn | keith4__: should be. check /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins ; looking for a symlink to it (roundabout through /etc/alternatives) |
| 00:02.08 | v4nelle | nothing...i want to do a fresh install ,and i haven't do expert install again |
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| 00:02.25 | keith4__ | simonrvn: nope. lemme try to symlink it manually |
| 00:03.44 | keith4__ | simonrvn: yay! thanks. no idea why the symlink didn't get created... but i linked to /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so, and it's working now |
| 00:04.00 | simonrvn | np |
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| 00:13.22 | syntax\ | ne one using untangle here? i messed the system via upgrade.. was wonderin if anybody could help |
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| 00:20.27 | abrotman | syntax\: using what? |
| 00:20.35 | syntax\ | untangle.. |
| 00:20.42 | abrotman | the game? |
| 00:21.24 | syntax\ | nope. its a layer 7 blocker.. came from debian.. |
| 00:21.32 | dkr | heh, perl is cool. my aptitude search tangle came up with: libquantum-entanglement-perl |
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| 00:23.18 | dkr | "You have searched for packages that names contain untangle in all suites, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results" |
| 00:23.30 | dkr | syntax\: are you sure about it coming from debian? |
| 00:24.33 | syntax\ | dkr my mistake. its not a package. xD |
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| 00:25.00 | syntax\ | its an opensource network gateway. |
| 00:25.03 | dkr | ah, yeah, i found the website, it's a commercial company |
| 00:25.24 | dkr | that would explain the bizarre terminology like "layer 7 blocker" :) |
| 00:25.49 | syntax\ | hehe I was pertaining to the application layer |
| 00:26.09 | dkr | ah, so it's just a proxy that filters for spam and viruses |
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| 00:26.36 | syntax\ | you could directly block apps like yahoo messenger and alike |
| 00:27.03 | gravity | dkr: That's basically Damien Conway being kinda nuts |
| 00:27.28 | gravity | Although the same concept made it in to perl6 as superpositions |
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| 00:29.28 | octoserver | well i got it working |
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| 00:29.46 | octoserver | options snd_usb_audio index=-2 is what i had to add to the alsa-base.conf file |
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| 00:30.03 | octoserver | this stopped the two usb adudio devices from loading first |
| 00:30.17 | octoserver | and my sound card was index 0 then |
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| 00:31.03 | octoserver | i tryed a bunch of other swapping crap that didnt work andi had two snd_usb_audio enntries in there for a while which was messing it up too, so GG thank God |
| 00:31.14 | octoserver | i was getting bent |
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| 00:32.26 | maddash | WTF IS WITH THIS WIDESPREAD PROLIFERATION OF DEPENDANCE ON DBUS, HAL, AND GCONF2?! |
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| 00:33.01 | sepult | processes need to conversate |
| 00:33.01 | maddash | why is it increasingly difficult to maintain a dbus-/gconf-/hal-free system? |
| 00:33.04 | sepult | lol |
| 00:33.12 | maddash | EsRaRenGiZ: don't spam kme |
| 00:33.42 | maddash | ARGH! Package maintainers, wtf are you doing to my debian?! |
| 00:33.46 | sepult | cause the policies drive you |
| 00:34.13 | gravity | maddash: Because they solve very real needs |
| 00:34.30 | Stanlin | HELO! |
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| 00:37.15 | abrotman | cycles a2 |
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| 00:38.41 | Ace2017_- | hi all |
| 00:38.46 | jpinx-eeepc | is there a solutions to udev's habit of random allocation of device slots for hot-plugged kit? |
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| 00:39.03 | Ace2017_- | is it possible for alsa to lock the sound server to itself so other apps can't take control? |
| 00:39.07 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: udev rules perhaps |
| 00:39.21 | jpinx-eeepc | it'd be nice if it came up with the same answer each time:-/ |
| 00:39.36 | gravity | jpinx-eeepc: There's a lot of docs in /usr/share/doc/udev |
| 00:39.44 | gravity | README.vol_id may be what you want |
| 00:39.54 | jpinx-eeepc | ah - ok - thanks |
| 00:40.01 | jpinx-eeepc | reads *more* |
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| 00:41.48 | jpinx-eeepc | sheesh - wtf put's html docs in there? |
| 00:42.38 | Coweater | lots of things do |
| 00:43.04 | ggeecko | I mounted a second hdd and all the folders are not showing |
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| 00:44.27 | octoserver | well, it seems like my voip adapter doesnt work now unless it is index 0? what the heck lol |
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| 00:46.09 | jpinx-eeepc | ggeecko: what filesystem? |
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| 00:54.48 | octoserver | ok it seems by adding that in the alsa-base .conf file it didnt do anything since the last reboot it was back to the same prob |
| 00:55.19 | octoserver | however, some times it boots with the card first and other times it doesnt,. totally random |
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| 00:55.23 | octoserver | crap |
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| 01:02.09 | octoserver | i think i may have to compile alsa myslef, it seems it ls really messed up, playing sounds really slow and crap lol |
| 01:04.10 | pipegeek | Is there anything like lupin in debian, that would allow one to use a loop-mounted image as the root filesystem with any degree of ease? |
| 01:04.18 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: use uuids or labels |
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| 01:15.32 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: thanks - yea - I'm reading the considerable documents, in between fixing the girlfriends XP crash:( |
| 01:16.08 | jpinx-eeepc | needs a remote desktop that won't freeze out the user on the remote XP box |
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| 01:18.28 | twinkie_addict | sounds like fun |
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| 01:23.12 | jpinx-eeepc | Am I correct in thinking that rdesktop freezes out any existing user on the remote XP box |
| 01:23.17 | jpinx-eeepc | reads it al again.... |
| 01:23.35 | Dewio | autofs |
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| 01:25.21 | mythomaniac | is there a log feature for nfs, where it logs the activity? |
| 01:25.32 | keith4__ | jpinx-eeepc: correct |
| 01:26.32 | jpinx-eeepc | bugger |
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| 01:29.04 | jpinx-eeepc | remote desktop doesn't work - no connection:( |
| 01:29.13 | Dewi | what should I use to automount remote samba shares? |
| 01:29.19 | Dewi | I don't use X11.. |
| 01:29.43 | abrotman | at boot time? |
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| 01:31.02 | gravity | Custom init script? |
| 01:31.06 | Dewi | abrotman: I guess, but if the host isn't up... |
| 01:31.29 | Dewi | abrotman: don't want to delay/break boot, and it would be good if it could make the attempt when a user is actually trying to use the share |
| 01:31.32 | abrotman | Dewi: you can put smbfs mounts in fstab .. |
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| 01:31.50 | Dewi | abrotman: unless there's a softfail option, hells no |
| 01:32.07 | kamp2tux_ | besides, VMware server 2.0, what other virtualization software can have WIndows Server 2008 as Guest OS and Debian amd64 as Host OS ? |
| 01:32.24 | abrotman | Dewi: your own init script that checks a) is it already mounted b) is the remote host up |
| 01:32.41 | Dewi | abrotman: yeah. |
| 01:32.42 | jpinx-eeepc | what's the solution for connecting to a remote XP machine that doesn't screw up existing users of the remote box? |
| 01:32.52 | jpinx-eeepc | something with vnc iirc |
| 01:33.13 | Dewi | abrotman: just wondered if there was going to be an easier way. I wonder how to check if it's mounted? |
| 01:33.19 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: vnc |
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| 01:35.49 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: there was something that went with vnc or tightvnc - which improved the performance to something almost usable - simpirror or somesuch name |
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| 01:36.09 | jpinx-eeepc | googles..... |
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| 01:39.18 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: there's a mirror driver ? |
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| 01:41.51 | jpinx-eeepc | still hunting abrotman |
| 01:42.07 | abrotman | elmer fudd? |
| 01:42.36 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
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| 01:44.33 | camaleon | hola amigos como estan |
| 01:44.55 | camaleon | hola gente como estan... aqui pues con una duda... no se si pueden ayudarme.... tengo un LTSP ... y como 10 terminales tontas jeje q se conectan al LTSP en Debian 5 pero quiero poner una impresora laser con puerto USB a una terminal (usuario de este grupo) pero no se puede configurar para imprimir |
| 01:45.30 | adb | !es |
| 01:45.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 01:47.31 | jpinx-eeepc | any rdesktop knowledge in here? |
| 01:47.41 | pipegeek | jpinx-eeepc: a leetle |
| 01:47.43 | enouf | !google define:lupin |
| 01:49.16 | jpinx-eeepc | pipegeek: I've installed rdesktop (in lenny) and I have a remote XP box in the lan on an IP number |
| 01:49.22 | pipegeek | ok |
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| 01:49.52 | jpinx-eeepc | when I ask rdesktop to connect and give it the IP number there is no reactiona t all |
| 01:50.08 | pipegeek | jpinx-eeepc: I would guess that you don't have remote desktop enabled on your windows machine |
| 01:50.14 | pipegeek | have you checked? |
| 01:51.11 | jpinx-eeepc | yep - it's enabled |
| 01:51.24 | pipegeek | possible that port is firewalled? |
| 01:51.24 | jpinx-eeepc | that was my first check ;) |
| 01:51.27 | pipegeek | sorry |
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| 01:51.56 | jpinx-eeepc | which port is used by XP by default - I haven't changed anything in XP |
| 01:52.07 | pipegeek | 3389 |
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| 01:52.18 | jpinx-eeepc | ah - ok - let me try that port |
| 01:52.30 | pipegeek | err, I mean, is it blocked by windows firewall |
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| 01:53.41 | jpinx-eeepc | rdesktop default to 5900 |
| 01:53.53 | pipegeek | um |
| 01:53.56 | pipegeek | I believe 5900 is vnc |
| 01:53.56 | jpinx-eeepc | Hmm - 3389 has no reaction either:( |
| 01:54.10 | pipegeek | are you using the 'rdesktop' command? |
| 01:54.14 | pipegeek | or just the remote desktop program |
| 01:54.25 | pipegeek | because there are multiple remote desktop protocols |
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| 01:54.32 | jpinx-eeepc | pulling it from my local desktop menu |
| 01:54.36 | pipegeek | aha |
| 01:54.41 | pipegeek | well, make sure you choose "RDP" |
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| 01:54.50 | pipegeek | "VNC" is different, and windows doesn't come with a VNC server |
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| 01:55.09 | pipegeek | jpinx-eeepc: to confirm my theory, try doing the following: |
| 01:55.13 | pipegeek | 1) open a terminal |
| 01:55.19 | jpinx-eeepc | let me shut this down and work it from the cl |
| 01:55.26 | pipegeek | 2) type 'rdesktop x.y.z.w' |
| 01:55.31 | pipegeek | no need to shut down |
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| 01:55.39 | pipegeek | oh, you mean the program |
| 01:55.40 | pipegeek | sure |
| 01:55.56 | pipegeek | (in case it wasn't clear, by x.y.z.w, I meant the windows machine's IP) |
| 01:56.20 | jpinx-eeepc | pipegeek: I'm in |
| 01:56.22 | gohmifune | I'm thinking about installing debian, is kde 4.2 in the repos? |
| 01:56.24 | pipegeek | awesome :) |
| 01:56.24 | jpinx-eeepc | many thanks |
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| 01:56.26 | pipegeek | np |
| 01:56.49 | jpinx-eeepc | pipegeek - now to go to the XP box and creat a user |
| 01:56.55 | pipegeek | :) |
| 01:57.10 | jpinx-eeepc | or can I log in as the existing user? |
| 01:57.18 | pipegeek | you can |
| 01:57.19 | jpinx-eeepc | which is a noname login |
| 01:57.26 | pipegeek | you just need to do the following: |
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| 01:57.45 | pipegeek | find the username (there is one, you're just automatically logged in so you never see it) |
| 01:58.01 | pipegeek | make sure the user is an administrator, or is in the "Remote Desktop Users" group |
| 01:58.05 | pipegeek | set a password |
| 01:58.07 | jpinx-eeepc | Ah - where will I find that username? |
| 01:58.18 | pipegeek | hmm, I need a windows box. Hold on, let me start a vm |
| 01:58.24 | jpinx-eeepc | :) |
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| 01:59.06 | gohmifune | any help? |
| 01:59.28 | pipegeek | jpinx-eeepc: booting |
| 01:59.38 | jpinx-eeepc | ;) |
| 01:59.40 | pipegeek | gohmifune: check out packages.debian.org |
| 02:00.19 | pipegeek | gohmifune: in fact, you can search for packages by name like so: http://packages.debian.org/kde4 |
| 02:00.51 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: start > run > control userpasswds2 IIRC |
| 02:01.10 | pipegeek | jpinx-eeepc: what enouf said |
| 02:01.14 | enouf | er userpasswords2 |
| 02:01.47 | enouf | maybe .. i forget now .. it's one of those - you can add the user to admin group there , etc |
| 02:02.00 | gohmifune | pipegeek: do you know if there are any issues with kde4, I can't find much on it. |
| 02:02.16 | pipegeek | hmm? dunno |
| 02:02.18 | pipegeek | I mean |
| 02:02.19 | pipegeek | it's newish |
| 02:02.24 | pipegeek | I don't know what you mean by issues |
| 02:02.43 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: tks - I'll go and play with XP for a bit :) |
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| 02:02.56 | pipegeek | jpinx-eeepc: there's a user control panel or something |
| 02:02.57 | enouf | sure - no prob |
| 02:03.18 | pipegeek | haha, finally booted |
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| 02:03.42 | pipegeek | (kvm is pretty sweet) |
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| 02:04.11 | Braunne | abrotman: Im running debian lenny, how can I update OpenOffice 2.4 to version 3.0.1??? |
| 02:04.22 | jpinx-eeepc | waits for a possible confirmation from pipegeek |
| 02:04.41 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions openoffice |
| 02:04.42 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: openoffice -- |
| 02:04.49 | abrotman | !tell Braunne about bpo |
| 02:05.01 | Braunne | I have tried bpo, didnt work |
| 02:05.07 | Braunne | should I use FORCE? |
| 02:05.07 | abrotman | judd: versions openoffice.org |
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| 02:05.10 | judd | abrotman: openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1 lenny-backports: 1:3.0.1-7~bpo50+1 squeeze: 1:3.0.1-9 sid: 1:3.0.1-10 experimental: 1:3.1.0~rc1-1 |
| 02:05.19 | pipegeek | jpinx-eeepc: That's the correct control panel. If you're using windows xp pro, it's probably better to add your account to the "Remote Desktop Users" group than to make it an Administrator, just for security reasons |
| 02:05.22 | abrotman | lenny-backports has 3.0.1 |
| 02:05.30 | pipegeek | less time logged in as "root", the better |
| 02:05.31 | pipegeek | etc |
| 02:05.51 | Braunne | abrotman: and how do u suggest i go about it??? |
| 02:06.12 | jpinx-eeepc | pipegeek: understood - I'm off to make that user - thanks |
| 02:06.16 | pipegeek | np |
| 02:06.17 | abrotman | !tell Braunne about bpo |
| 02:06.27 | Braunne | thanks |
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| 02:11.40 | gohmifune | pipegeek: well I'm going to give it a try thanks for the help. |
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| 02:19.21 | Braunne | abrotman: Score is 358... there r many conflicts, whats to bedone now, should i proceed? |
| 02:19.37 | abrotman | i have no idea .. i don't need 3.0.1 |
| 02:19.45 | Braunne | looks quite messy |
| 02:19.56 | abrotman | maybe you should put them in a pastebin |
| 02:20.05 | Braunne | oh |
| 02:21.08 | Braunne | nah, its not that important |
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| 02:26.15 | macman_ | hi all .. can i ask wireshark questions in here ? |
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| 02:33.05 | jpinx-eeepc | pipegeek: that seems to have worked - I'm updating the antivirus now from Lenny :) |
| 02:33.53 | simNIX | i cant seem to find info on howto connect wireless to my accespoint which uses wpa with aes |
| 02:34.21 | simNIX | ive set in interfaces wpa-sssid and wpa-psk - im on lenny |
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| 02:40.34 | ardor | Program <- -> /dev/ttyS0 <- -> Cable <- -> Device |
| 02:40.34 | ardor | From the command line I can do .. echo "whatever" > /dev/ttyS0 .. and it is sent !!out of!! the serial port towards the cable. I want to from the command line send !!into!! the serial port so it is read by the program, but I dont know how... |
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| 02:49.16 | jmoncayo | how can i install a .deb package? |
| 02:49.24 | amitz | what is the name of gnome based browser? |
| 02:49.42 | simNIX | gnome based or able to run on gnome ? |
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| 02:50.50 | amitz | simNIX: the one rather strongly integrated with gnome, gnome based. |
| 02:51.16 | simNIX | apiphany ? |
| 02:51.48 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: and pipegeek it was tightvnc & dfmirageâ I was looking for before, but rdesktop seems to be working |
| 02:51.51 | amitz | simNIX: ephiphany, thank you :-) |
| 02:51.55 | simNIX | yw |
| 02:52.07 | abrotman | jmoncayo: man dpkg |
| 02:53.28 | jpinx-eeepc | ardor: from my limited knowledge the device has to push into the serial port, the OS doesn't do that from "inside" |
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| 02:55.19 | ardor | thanks for the reply, I am going to try and do it with "screen" |
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| 02:56.02 | jmoncayo | i want to install limewire, should i install it as root? for running dpkg? |
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| 02:58.34 | Thneed | hi, I am trying to get my hdspmixer working for AMD64 debian testing, but there is no fltk-config package listed int he repos, and it is listed in the config log as a requirement, anyone know a source for this file? |
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| 03:04.11 | swolchok | google is failing me; what do i have to do to build apache2 modules under debian? |
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| 03:04.17 | wm4 | on X, how can I find out which process grabs specific keys? (as hotkeys, like xbindkeys or gnome do) |
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| 03:05.15 | jmoncayo | how can i use unzip to extract .exe files? |
| 03:05.35 | Thneed | jmoncayo: why would you unzip an .exe? |
| 03:06.06 | jmoncayo | Thneed: i need to extract some files from there |
| 03:06.15 | kamp2tux_ | besides, VMware server, what other virtualization software can have WIndows Server 2008 as Guest OS and Host OS is Debian amd64? |
| 03:06.25 | swolchok | jmoncayo: is the EXE a self-extracting ZIP archive? |
| 03:06.33 | Thneed | from an executable? |
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| 03:07.35 | jmoncayo | swolchok: yes |
| 03:07.52 | jmoncayo | cab extract file |
| 03:08.00 | swolchok | CAB isn't the same as ZIP |
| 03:08.09 | swolchok | there's a program called cabextract |
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| 03:13.44 | simNIX | kamp2tux, maybe virtualbox ? |
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| 03:18.52 | jmoncayo | hey guys, i tried to install sun-java6-jre with aptitude install, i got this at the end Current status: 0 broken [-1]. |
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| 03:18.58 | jmoncayo | what does it mean? |
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| 03:19.50 | Xenon3DN | I just upgraded to Hardy from Feisty, and I'm trying to determine if this warning on bootup is something I should worry about or learn more about: |
| 03:19.50 | Xenon3DN | found /etc/apparmor.d/force-complain/usr.bin.freshclam, forcing complain mode |
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| 03:23.36 | iLLiKaWn | screem = iceape composer |
| 03:24.59 | Thneed | how does one remove a directory full of files via command line? |
| 03:25.05 | Thneed | sudo rmdir doesn't do it |
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| 03:25.18 | iLLiKaWn | rm -rf ./ |
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| 03:26.14 | iLLiKaWn | i deleted my folder while in the folder lol i turned into a slappy jappy |
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| 03:26.35 | amitz | Thneed: notice the ".". VERY IMPORTANT! |
| 03:26.57 | jmoncayo | lol |
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| 03:28.05 | amitz | jmoncayo: for rm -rf, I won't put that / since it can be easily misread. I hope iLLiKaWn is not being naughty :-) |
| 03:29.00 | Tramp | amitz: ..... -rf / does not work with GNU rm |
| 03:29.36 | iLLiKaWn | bsd i think is rm -R |
| 03:29.55 | simplechat | ok, i've got something really really wierd |
| 03:29.58 | amitz | Tramp: you mean about the security placed on rm -rf / ? |
| 03:30.05 | simplechat | i have an etch machine, i just turned it on and its not seeing its own network card |
| 03:30.08 | simplechat | it hasn't updated, nothing has changed |
| 03:30.10 | amitz | where it will ask clarification? |
| 03:30.10 | Thneed | ty |
| 03:30.13 | simplechat | and the nic has two solid green lights |
| 03:30.17 | simplechat | wtf? |
| 03:30.27 | Tramp | amitz: yes. I talk about --no-preseve-root. See man rm |
| 03:30.55 | enouf | simplechat: bad BIOS? or you wrong cabling ... |
| 03:31.13 | simplechat | enouf, computer boots fine, and runs in single user mode nicely |
| 03:31.18 | simplechat | and the cable hasn't been touched for weeks |
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| 03:31.25 | simplechat | and i'm getting both lights coming up on it |
| 03:31.32 | simplechat | its just that it refuses to see it when i ifup eth1 |
| 03:31.51 | enouf | how old - sounds like what my p150 does with a 10/100baseT NIC in it ;-) |
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| 03:32.08 | enouf | but it works, 2 solid lights and all :-P |
| 03:32.17 | simplechat | enouf, its a p3 dell |
| 03:32.21 | simplechat | actually no |
| 03:32.26 | simplechat | its an athlon |
| 03:32.29 | simplechat | by compaq :) |
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| 03:32.34 | simplechat | a few years old, but not that bad |
| 03:32.36 | enouf | uff |
| 03:32.38 | simplechat | but still |
| 03:32.41 | enouf | right |
| 03:32.43 | simplechat | what would cause it to just stop working like that |
| 03:32.46 | iLLiKaWn | ifconfig eth1 up |
| 03:32.51 | enouf | try that |
| 03:32.59 | enouf | !z25 |
| 03:32.59 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 03:32.59 | simplechat | ok, i''m cycling it again, one second |
| 03:33.02 | iLLiKaWn | ifconfig -a |
| 03:33.08 | simplechat | from single user mode or what? |
| 03:33.12 | enouf | ls /sys/class/net |
| 03:33.40 | simplechat | eth1 link up |
| 03:33.44 | enouf | you booted 'single' (recovery) ? |
| 03:33.46 | simplechat | came up in the startup script |
| 03:33.51 | simplechat | atm i'm booting normally |
| 03:33.58 | simplechat | so apparently it starts then dies? |
| 03:34.30 | simplechat | ok |
| 03:34.37 | simplechat | this time it came up properly and actually has eth1 |
| 03:34.42 | simplechat | the last four times i've booted it it didn't |
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| 03:35.34 | Circuitsoft | Hello |
| 03:35.44 | simplechat | sys/class/net has eth0 eth1 lo and sit0 |
| 03:35.47 | Circuitsoft | How can I change the DPI on Lenny/X.org-1.4.2? |
| 03:35.49 | enouf | well - a CTRL-D would not be the thing to do in single - you'd want to enter root passwd for maintenance ...try ps aux or pstree also for clues .. using dhcp? |
| 03:36.03 | simplechat | i'm using static ip |
| 03:36.09 | enouf | simplechat: when did you last check / FS? |
| 03:36.18 | simplechat | doesn't it do it automatically at bootup? |
| 03:36.23 | Circuitsoft | Changing DisplaySize in the Screen section didn't help. |
| 03:36.27 | simplechat | iirc it does it every so often |
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| 03:36.42 | enouf | if it's set that way only |
| 03:36.57 | enouf | tune2fs for ext2/3 |
| 03:37.08 | simplechat | ok, how would i do that without any issues? |
| 03:37.09 | Tramp | Circuitsoft: I have: /etc/X11/Xresources/x11-common:Xft.dpi: 96.0 |
| 03:37.12 | enouf | and last field in /etc/fstab |
| 03:37.12 | simplechat | reboot into single user mode? |
| 03:37.28 | enouf | simplechat: what FStype is / ? |
| 03:37.33 | simplechat | ext3 |
| 03:37.36 | simplechat | everything is ext3 |
| 03:37.46 | simplechat | the only odd thing is that it has a raid partition |
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| 03:38.17 | enouf | simplechat: 'touch /forcefsck' after you ensure that fstab field is 1 and all the other entries are 0 or 2 |
| 03:38.25 | enouf | and reboot normally |
| 03:39.29 | enouf | raid partitions aren't odd - though they might require more/diff attention/care |
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| 03:39.39 | Circuitsoft | Tramp: Thanks. Never seen that trick before, but it helped. |
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| 03:39.52 | Tramp | yw. helps every time |
| 03:40.03 | simplechat | fstab field is 1? |
| 03:40.06 | jmoncayo | anyone here with amd64 had trouble installing the jre? |
| 03:40.13 | simplechat | atm the last two numbers are 0 1 |
| 03:40.16 | simplechat | enouf, |
| 03:40.56 | enouf | for your / FS that's good |
| 03:41.03 | simplechat | also will it fsck every file system? |
| 03:41.04 | simplechat | or just /? |
| 03:41.16 | mns | What is a good VM to use ? Xen ? KVM ? VirtualBox ? |
| 03:41.17 | enouf | make the others 2 |
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| 03:41.51 | simplechat | k |
| 03:41.57 | enouf | the others you also want fsck'd ... naturally not for optical media entries and such |
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| 03:42.26 | simplechat | so i should set the last entry in the raid array's fstab entry to 2 |
| 03:42.31 | simplechat | and it'll fsck them all? |
| 03:43.05 | simplechat | ok, its checking the root filesystem now |
| 03:43.12 | enouf | it should |
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| 03:44.11 | enouf | simplechat: so long as the array is autoassembled at boot - then it should check them as well |
| 03:44.17 | enouf | mdadm |
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| 03:44.42 | simplechat | i didn't set the option when i rebooted |
| 03:44.47 | simplechat | so i'm going to do that and reboot again |
| 03:44.54 | simplechat | mdadm is the management command? |
| 03:44.57 | simplechat | and it is |
| 03:45.18 | simplechat | oh, ok, its also checking md0 now |
| 03:45.18 | enouf | well ... you can do any/all partitions via remounting ro or whatever |
| 03:45.20 | simplechat | so thats all good :) |
| 03:45.35 | simplechat | ok |
| 03:45.39 | simplechat | so what exactly do those numbers mean? |
| 03:45.50 | enouf | you type way too fast .... you remind me of someone |
| 03:45.57 | enouf | man fstab |
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| 03:47.16 | wm4 | when I do "xset r rate 200 40", I get Xlib: extension "XFree86-Misc" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 03:47.30 | wm4 | should I add XFree86-Misc manually to xorg.conf? |
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| 03:48.09 | wm4 | or what's wrong? |
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| 03:50.14 | Xenon3DN | mns: What is your purpose in virtualization? Each has their advantages depending on what you need. |
| 03:50.24 | jmoncayo | how can i add a program to the gnome menu? |
| 03:51.55 | enouf | man update-menus ? see the Files section and files they mention? no idea with gnome |
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| 03:52.49 | mns | Xenon3DN: I have a laptop that I want to run Debian on as the host system and and maybe even the "guest" system as well. Also would like to run a couple of the BSD's and WinXP as well for my testing work that I'll need to do on those platforms. |
| 03:53.53 | MegafEee | mns: just for test? |
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| 03:54.32 | MegafEee | if you want to try different systems before install, a good virtualiser is VirtualBox |
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| 03:55.21 | mns | MegafEee: I am going to be doing test of my companys' product on those various platforms. Not testing the different systems out :) |
| 03:55.52 | centHOGG | operating systems |
| 03:55.53 | MegafEee | mns: right, so, Virtual Box and VMWare Server |
| 03:55.59 | MegafEee | both free |
| 03:56.05 | markofvero | mns: for what it's worth, I've found VMware Workstation performs better than VirtualBox on 64-bit hosts, if you're running amd64 |
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| 03:56.21 | markofvero | but its support for audio is pretty crummy |
| 03:56.28 | markofvero | and it costs money |
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| 03:57.22 | mns | markofvero: will not be using 64bit. |
| 03:57.44 | markofvero | IIRC, VMware Server (as opposed to Workstation, Player, etc.) uses some internal client-server model that makes its GUI performance not so hot |
| 03:58.02 | mns | markofvero, MegafEee: What about KVM or Xen ? |
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| 03:58.52 | MegafEee | KVM is cook and easy to use if you use something like qemu with kvm option, is my first option, ever |
| 03:59.05 | MegafEee | Xen is hard to use and is no so flexible |
| 03:59.21 | MegafEee | the most flexible i think is qemu |
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| 04:00.25 | mns | MegafEee: any pointers to documentation for Debian/testing + KVM/VirtualBox that you would recommend ? |
| 04:01.48 | MegafEee | mns: not really, just install Virtual Box from their site and test |
| 04:02.12 | MegafEee | i recommend to use Debian stable. |
| 04:03.55 | mns | MegafEee: ok, thanks. |
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| 04:06.25 | MegafEee | no problem |
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| 04:14.09 | synaptic | I'm having an issue on Lenny in KDE4 where spell check marks everything as wrong, I've looked in system-settings and made sure that spell check was set to American English, anyone have an idea? |
| 04:15.13 | MegafEee | yep |
| 04:15.19 | synaptic | hmm? |
| 04:15.24 | MegafEee | is not set to american english |
| 04:15.46 | synaptic | It's not? |
| 04:15.47 | MegafEee | synaptic: in winch program is not working? |
| 04:16.11 | enouf | heh .. in kde3 you couldn't even turn that autospell check crap off |
| 04:16.12 | synaptic | Pidgin marks all my words as wrong while firefox doesn't even have spell check |
| 04:16.39 | MegafEee | right |
| 04:16.50 | MegafEee | you must set that in pidgin |
| 04:17.14 | synaptic | Hmm... |
| 04:17.15 | MegafEee | and in firefox you can download the file to add check |
| 04:17.32 | synaptic | Where would I set it in Pidgin? |
| 04:18.10 | MegafEee | im looking for that right now |
| 04:18.14 | MegafEee | im not sure |
| 04:18.30 | synaptic | Yeah me either... apparently there is a spell check plugin but I've never messed with it before, it just always worked |
| 04:19.22 | MegafEee | synaptic: when you write something wrong in pidgin |
| 04:19.24 | unixluser | hello is it possible for KVM Windows guest to use already-mounted partitions in Linux as drives? |
| 04:19.29 | MegafEee | what happen? |
| 04:19.39 | synaptic | It says that it is wrong |
| 04:19.43 | synaptic | nothing works! |
| 04:20.02 | MegafEee | synaptic: and when you click with the right button |
| 04:20.11 | MegafEee | it show any suggention? |
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| 04:20.19 | MegafEee | suggestion * |
| 04:20.22 | synaptic | Nope |
| 04:20.28 | synaptic | Nothing.. it's weird |
| 04:20.40 | MegafEee | cool :P |
| 04:20.57 | MegafEee | i had never saw that before |
| 04:21.01 | synaptic | There is like nothing on google either or I would be there... |
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| 04:21.36 | enouf | z |
| 04:21.41 | Gnuman | prepares to start a holy war. . . |
| 04:21.59 | synaptic | Hmmm... I wonder where the dictionary file is? |
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| 04:22.14 | Gnuman | Does it taint my system to install WoW under wine on my Lenny system? |
| 04:22.17 | enouf | synaptic: all i know is k control center was/is replaced with "systemsettings" ? |
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| 04:22.28 | MegafEee | man, i gotta go, good night all |
| 04:22.32 | MegafEee | cya |
| 04:22.38 | synaptic | Yeah I'm in Regional & Language system settings |
| 04:22.42 | synaptic | Thanks for you help anyway |
| 04:23.35 | Gnuman | gee, I thought everyone would jump on that one. . . |
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| 04:24.13 | Gnuman | I have the nvidia binary from nvidia, so my kernel is tainted by that already. . . |
| 04:24.14 | enouf | taint no thang like no chicken wing? |
| 04:24.52 | Gnuman | I dunno about chhicken wings. . . |
| 04:25.26 | Gnuman | but I installed World of Warcraft under WINE a week or so ago. . . |
| 04:25.27 | manu_hack | my laptop is too freaking hot, 76 according to acpi, not sure it's about the problem of linux-image-2.6.29-1 ... |
| 04:25.58 | enouf | manu_hack: reboot into known working kernel |
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| 04:27.34 | centHOGG | manu_hack: have you tried another os w/sensors? |
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| 04:29.39 | Gnuman | manu_hack: does the laptop feel that hot? |
| 04:32.07 | centHOGG | chicken-wing hot? |
| 04:32.10 | centHOGG | :P |
| 04:32.24 | Thneed | manu_hack: have you tried cleaning the fan out...that recntly dropped my temp by about 20 degrees |
| 04:32.27 | enouf | nuclear waste hot :=) |
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| 04:32.34 | amitz | is postgresql of lenny only allow localhost access by default? |
| 04:33.08 | centHOGG | they use laptops at KFC? |
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| 04:33.53 | Gnuman | Kentucky Fried Circuits? |
| 04:34.03 | jmoncayo_ | anyone here has installed limewire? |
| 04:34.07 | mns | amitz: that was the case in Etch as well if I recall correctly. |
| 04:34.15 | Gnuman | would be chicken to go in there. . . |
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| 04:34.38 | centHOGG | Kentucky Grilled Circuits nowadays |
| 04:35.07 | enouf | Kernel Fried Colonel? |
| 04:35.17 | centHOGG | :P |
| 04:35.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, the fan from my laptop also doesn't stop working anymore |
| 04:35.31 | Gnuman | Soylent Green? |
| 04:35.43 | amitz | mns: the pg_hba.conf seems to be that way but I can't read the ipv6 syntax :-p. I guess I must learn some. |
| 04:35.48 | jmoncayo_ | anyone here has got the bcm43xx to work? |
| 04:35.49 | centHOGG | omg their eating the people |
| 04:35.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps throttling down doesn't work anymore with the newer kernels? |
| 04:35.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I haven't checked for long |
| 04:36.03 | centHOGG | <broadcom functional |
| 04:36.30 | Thneed | does an fltk-config package for debian testing exist? i don't see it in repos, or in source at fltk website... |
| 04:37.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | their eating? is it ugly? the eating, I mean |
| 04:37.11 | Xenon3DN | mns: Xen is very flexible, but it's more of an infrastructure/server product than a desktop product. I run my VPS clients on it. VMW or VirtualBox are more like what you're looking for. |
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| 04:38.12 | Gnuman | CutMeOwnThroat: Well the websites are rated NSFW. . . |
| 04:38.55 | unixluser | so much off-topic chatter lol |
| 04:39.34 | Gnuman | Hey, this is the only way some of us get to talk about some of these topics. . . |
| 04:39.42 | Gnuman | ;> |
| 04:39.57 | centHOGG | what happened to the hot-laptop guy anywhat? |
| 04:39.59 | Gnuman | OK, back to my holy war. . . |
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| 04:40.47 | Gnuman | he never replied to anythi of our recomendations. . . |
| 04:40.54 | Gnuman | he may not have seen them. . |
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| 04:42.11 | Gnuman | manu_hack: are you still here?\ |
| 04:42.37 | jmoncayo_ | Qtronix: hey buddy |
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| 04:43.48 | Gnuman | Does anyone have an opinion one way or the other about if I tainted my Lenny system by using the nVidia video driver and installed WoW under WINE? |
| 04:44.22 | centHOGG | uh... how does it taint you sys |
| 04:44.29 | ssm | Gnuman: tainted in what way? |
| 04:44.52 | ssm | Gnuman: a system becomes pretty tainted as soon as you let a user near it, but that's probably not what you mean :P |
| 04:44.55 | Gnuman | well, the nVidia video driver taints the kernel, this is known. . . |
| 04:45.02 | ssm | "taints"... |
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| 04:45.31 | centHOGG | i guess |
| 04:45.32 | mmind | taints free-software-wise |
| 04:45.35 | centHOGG | somehow |
| 04:45.36 | sep | Gnuman, a untainted kernel that you can not use for your need for the machine is pretty worthless |
| 04:45.36 | Gnuman | But does installing a game client that is designed to run under windoze under WINE also taint it? |
| 04:45.49 | sep | Gnuman, not the kernel |
| 04:45.56 | amitz | is there any utility out there that can create GUI out of a configuration file? |
| 04:45.58 | sep | may tint your carma but :) |
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| 04:46.17 | ssm | You're using non-free display drivers in order to play a non-free game. Is it more important for you to have a computer that is completely free software, or do you want to play wow :P |
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| 04:46.47 | sep | usualy if you want to play wow you never think about questions like that at all |
| 04:46.51 | Gnuman | Well, I want to keep my system Microsoft Free. . . |
| 04:46.53 | centHOGG | taint as in "steroids"? |
| 04:47.09 | ssm | Neither WoW nor the display driver is made by microsoft |
| 04:47.39 | Gnuman | but there is a DirectX folder involved in the installed. . . |
| 04:48.19 | Gnuman | Just wanting to be sure that no microsoft code was snuck onto my system ;) |
| 04:48.22 | manu_hack | Gnuman: thx, just stepped out, will do all the suggestions, will boot into 2.6.26 next time, but working on some stuff, also i don't want to use ndiswrapper so slightly prefer 29, may also try cleaning the fan, it was not that old though |
| 04:48.25 | ssm | pity, you may have to burn your computer, then :) |
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| 04:49.29 | Gnuman | ssm, Nah, just was interested if it would still be considered a Linux only system? |
| 04:50.07 | Xenon3DN | amitz: More info please? |
| 04:50.12 | ssm | There is no linux only system, you have GNU userspace, and a lot of other applications |
| 04:50.40 | Gnuman | True enough. . . So I can still show my face in here? |
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| 04:50.43 | Gnuman | <G> |
| 04:50.45 | enouf | and considered via whom? |
| 04:50.55 | ssm | the question is not "taint", the question is if you're comfortable with using software that is not Free software. |
| 04:51.12 | enouf | and who cares WTF whom thinks - many people suck ass, some more than others |
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| 04:51.31 | amitz | Xenon3DN: Basically it can generate GUI for any configuration file. The options for each configuration can be unrestricted (if undefined) or restricted (if the config file follow certain pattern). |
| 04:51.40 | Singer | hello.. I have a question.. I'm using JFS and untaring a big tarball (300GB) |
| 04:51.50 | amitz | Xenon3DN: I'm thinking of making one if none is available. |
| 04:51.51 | Singer | and right now JFSCommit is using 60% of my CPU |
| 04:51.57 | Singer | can anyone help with any ideas? |
| 04:52.14 | amitz | I just don't want to reinvent the wheel. |
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| 04:52.31 | enouf | that's not a tarball - that's a HDD :-P |
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| 04:52.41 | andres833 | some program for edition video |
| 04:52.56 | Gnuman | enouf: you beat me to that one. . . |
| 04:53.07 | Singer | right |
| 04:53.16 | Singer | but I've never seen jfscommit use that much cpu |
| 04:53.20 | Singer | it just started a few hours ago |
| 04:53.21 | Singer | s |
| 04:53.46 | andres833 | hi |
| 04:53.47 | enouf | Gnuman: well atleast i didn't try to fry your kernel nor your colonel |
| 04:53.51 | andres833 | help me |
| 04:54.06 | Gnuman | Ummm, does jfs have large filesystem support? do you have it enabled? |
| 04:54.12 | andres833 | i need edit a video and not know programs |
| 04:54.31 | Singer | Gnuman: yes and yes.. I do this every monday but this time its jfs commit overloading |
| 04:54.35 | enouf | Singer: check out the tunables, and mount accordingly .. next time :-) |
| 04:54.40 | enouf | oh |
| 04:54.42 | centHOGG | oy |
| 04:55.02 | Singer | normally this uncompression should take 4 hours |
| 04:55.08 | Singer | but right now its at 6 and only about 75% |
| 04:55.29 | Gnuman | any recent changes/ |
| 04:55.33 | Gnuman | ? |
| 04:55.49 | Singer | not really |
| 04:56.07 | Gnuman | I'm asking about any |
| 04:56.15 | Gnuman | like a new kernel? |
| 04:56.29 | Singer | oh no, that box been up for 120 days now |
| 04:56.30 | Gnuman | a kernel recompile? |
| 04:56.31 | Singer | no changes at all.. |
| 04:56.43 | Gnuman | ok, then. . . |
| 04:57.09 | Gnuman | how old is the drive itself? |
| 04:57.18 | Gnuman | and how big? |
| 04:57.49 | Singer | I have to check, I didn't build it.. the other guy did.. but its about 120 days old |
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| 04:58.29 | centHOGG | splater :) |
| 04:59.30 | Xenon3DN | amitz: I don't know of one. Sounds like a good idea, if you made it with Qt or something. Could use it lots of places if you had some sort of BNF grammar. |
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| 05:00.29 | Gnuman | Singer: I'm out of ideas then. . . I was thinking bad cable, bad drive, or somesuch. . . Box that new that should not be a problem. . . |
| 05:00.45 | Gnuman | OK, I'm out |
| 05:01.48 | enouf | well .. one weird thing occured to me, i ran an upgrade and got a newer libc6 which i was asked via debconf to configure, but i postponed it, since i didn't want to restart my session - then .. i noticed some other things wouldn't work right, like apt-get install pkgname - but likely not your issue - you should be auditing/checking with ps / lsof / etc when it does work, so you can compare |
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| 05:02.31 | enouf | are your drives RAIDed and perhaps using a degraded array? |
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| 05:04.13 | amitz | Xenon3DN: I'm trying to make it text based to make it more lightweight. I'm looking up libraries for a text based yet "graphical" application. |
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| 05:04.30 | Singer | enouf: it is raided, and I'm downloading twcli now |
| 05:06.05 | unixluser | do any of you have scripts to clean the cruft from your system (cruft from packages) |
| 05:06.22 | unixluser | .. that you'd like to share |
| 05:06.29 | jmoncayo_ | omg, stupid bcm43xx shit, i hate it |
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| 05:08.22 | unixluser | what's the best way to redirect output from a command to a file (catching all) |
| 05:08.31 | oOarthurOo | dpkg blacklist |
| 05:08.31 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist'. |
| 05:08.40 | oOarthurOo | dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 05:08.40 | dpkg | [blacklist-initramfs] If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 05:08.58 | JesusJones | There were 2 people on a boat: /hop and /quit. /hop got off, who's still on the boat? |
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| 05:09.51 | ootput | unixluser: google I/O Redirection |
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| 05:18.21 | Manoj | The simple answer would seem to be /quit |
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| 05:18.39 | Manoj | but it seems quite jejune |
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| 05:21.18 | enouf | the boat sank |
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| 05:27.01 | jmoncayo | hello guys, where should i set the xset b off for it to take efect after every boot up? |
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| 05:29.10 | tclineks | what's the best way to dump a ton of imap mails to disk, preferrably in maildir format -- fetchmail? |
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| 05:32.18 | unixluser | is this the best way to log (append) stderr&stdout to a file? >>filename 2>&1 |
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| 05:44.17 | simonrvn | unixluser: 2>&1 > file |
| 05:45.05 | jaaaaakke | Hey guys, I'm trying to configure my network for debian, but can't find my wireless network |
| 05:45.24 | unixluser | simonrvn: yeah, i did something similar that works: >>filename 2>&1 |
| 05:45.29 | jaaaaakke | i've done iwconfig, which shows my wlan0 and what not, but when i do iwlist wlan0 scan, i get no scan results |
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| 05:46.42 | yokobr | hey guys |
| 05:46.51 | unixluser | simonrvn: from what ootput pointed me to earlier |
| 05:46.52 | yokobr | is there anyway to remaster an installed debian? |
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| 05:53.15 | qomo | yokobr: http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/debian-cd |
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| 05:57.22 | jmoncayo | hey guys where should i place modules for kernel to load them? |
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| 06:03.02 | jmoncayo | hello? |
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| 06:03.11 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:04.12 | jaaaaakke | whats up |
| 06:04.27 | jaaaaakke | you guys feel like helping me trouble shoot my wireless network? :) |
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| 06:05.59 | jmoncayo | i am havin problems with wireless too |
| 06:05.59 | jmoncayo | :( |
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| 06:06.23 | andres833 | talego |
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| 06:09.11 | jmoncayo | yay!!!!!!! |
| 06:09.15 | jmoncayo | finally i have wireless |
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| 06:13.42 | jmoncayo | yay!! |
| 06:13.47 | jmoncayo | wireless working |
| 06:13.52 | jmoncayo | yeah! |
| 06:14.42 | jaaaaakke | it is? |
| 06:14.51 | jaaaaakke | what type of module are u working with |
| 06:15.16 | jmoncayo | hell yeah |
| 06:15.22 | jmoncayo | after 2 days i finally did |
| 06:15.26 | jmoncayo | bcm43xx |
| 06:15.27 | jmoncayo | :) |
| 06:15.41 | jaaaaakke | fuck, im using ath5k |
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| 06:16.05 | jmoncayo | jaaaaakke: whats the problem with ur wireless? |
| 06:16.23 | jaaaaakke | its not recognizing any of the networks |
| 06:16.35 | jaaaaakke | i try, iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 06:16.40 | jaaaaakke | and i get the "no scan results" |
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| 06:17.29 | jmoncayo | is the router broadcasting? |
| 06:17.31 | jaaaaakke | ye |
| 06:17.36 | jaaaaakke | yes, thats how im talking to u now :) |
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| 06:19.33 | zhxk | lfs |
| 06:19.33 | jaaaaakke | how did you end up fixing yours jmon? |
| 06:19.47 | zhxk | hello, would you explain sth about the gcc option of -mabi please? |
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| 06:21.26 | jmoncayo | jaaaaakke: mine was a different problem since i am using ndiswrapper |
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| 06:22.01 | jmoncayo | my problem was, i couldnt get the wireless to work |
| 06:22.11 | jmoncayo | i didnt get the wlan0 |
| 06:22.22 | jaaaaakke | once u got wlan0, urs worked? |
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| 06:28.44 | jmoncayo | yep |
| 06:28.51 | jmoncayo | are u in X |
| 06:28.51 | jmoncayo | ? |
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| 06:31.07 | jaaaaakke | X? |
| 06:31.57 | jmoncayo | are u runing any window manager, or are u in text mode? |
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| 06:33.05 | outlaw84 | I wanna run a certain application with a diffrent charset then the rest of the system. In this case iso-8859-1 instead of utf-8, can this be done? |
| 06:33.13 | thnee | Thneed: seriously.. |
| 06:34.00 | jaaaaakke | windows manager |
| 06:34.07 | jaaaaakke | sorry for the delayed response. |
| 06:34.15 | jaaaaakke | im in terminal/windows manager |
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| 06:35.24 | jmoncayo | are u using gnome? |
| 06:35.47 | jaaaaakke | yes |
| 06:35.47 | jaaaaakke | gnoe |
| 06:35.48 | jaaaaakke | *gnome |
| 06:35.55 | jaaaaakke | i have a linksys router |
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| 06:37.11 | jmoncayo | u see there is a network icon in the top right corner |
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| 06:37.38 | jaaaaakke | yes |
| 06:37.45 | jaaaaakke | next to the date and pwer plugin |
| 06:39.27 | jmoncayo | yep |
| 06:39.30 | jmoncayo | click it |
| 06:39.34 | jaaaaakke | ok.. |
| 06:39.43 | jmoncayo | u should see in there ur ssid |
| 06:39.52 | jaaaaakke | i just see wireless networks |
| 06:39.57 | jaaaaakke | and the options of |
| 06:40.04 | jaaaaakke | "connect to other... " and "create new wireless" |
| 06:40.15 | jmoncayo | there is no name in there? |
| 06:40.19 | jaaaaakke | "Wired Network" is grayed out, the underneath "Wireless Networks" |
| 06:40.24 | jaaaaakke | there is no name |
| 06:41.41 | jmoncayo | jaaaaakke: can u make sure ur linksys router is broadcasting |
| 06:41.54 | jaaaaakke | yes its broadcasting |
| 06:41.55 | jmoncayo | when i got my wlan0, my ssid was in there already |
| 06:42.00 | jaaaaakke | im connected to it with this machine |
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| 06:42.16 | jmoncayo | so if u are connected how come u cannot see it |
| 06:42.16 | jmoncayo | :S |
| 06:42.24 | jmoncayo | how did u connect in the first place |
| 06:42.26 | jaaaaakke | even in my install, i couldnt connect to the network |
| 06:42.33 | jaaaaakke | i downloaded a cd. |
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| 06:42.50 | jaaaaakke | i never connected. |
| 06:43.19 | jmoncayo | didnt u say u are connected right now? |
| 06:43.27 | jaaaaakke | my iwconfig wlan0 comes up as IEEE 802.11 ESSID: "" Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 ghz |
| 06:43.31 | jmoncayo | is the linux machine a different one? |
| 06:43.32 | jaaaaakke | im on a desktop talking to you |
| 06:43.33 | jaaaaakke | yers |
| 06:43.37 | jmoncayo | ohhhh |
| 06:43.38 | jaaaaakke | linux machine is on my laptop |
| 06:43.42 | jaaaaakke | sorry for the confusion. |
| 06:43.42 | jmoncayo | got it |
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| 06:44.20 | jaaaaakke | yeah |
| 06:44.29 | jaaaaakke | i mean, im thinking im just not configuring it correctly |
| 06:45.04 | jaaaaakke | should i create a new wireless network |
| 06:45.07 | jmoncayo | u should see it, if ur desktop has a wireless card and u can connect u should be able to do the some from linux |
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| 06:45.26 | jaaaaakke | i should connect other wireless network correct? |
| 06:45.33 | jaaaaakke | or it should just come automatically??? |
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| 06:46.50 | enouf | zhxk: i don;t know (and is that -m -a -b -i ?) -- but look at how many there are - do "gcc -v --help 2>&1 | less" - maybe try #gcc or ##c or ##linux |
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| 06:47.27 | jmoncayo | jaaaaakke: it should list other wireless network if available |
| 06:47.34 | jmoncayo | it will connect if u click them |
| 06:47.44 | jaaaaakke | i guess thats my thing, it just doesnt show up anything |
| 06:47.53 | jaaaaakke | even though linux recognizes my card |
| 06:47.57 | jaaaaakke | GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 06:48.23 | jaaaaakke | after this i have to fix my webcam and blah blah blah |
| 06:48.57 | enouf | zhxk: for documentation; do "/msg dpkg gcc-doc" in your irc client (the prior gcc ... command above is to be run in your shell) |
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| 06:49.46 | jmoncayo | jaaaaakke: i am in the same path |
| 06:49.55 | jmoncayo | and touchscreen comes later |
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| 06:50.38 | jaaaaakke | this is so gay |
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| 06:51.28 | jaaaaakke | should i just re-install |
| 06:51.38 | jmoncayo | re-install what? |
| 06:51.42 | jaaaaakke | debian |
| 06:51.42 | jaaaaakke | lol |
| 06:51.49 | jmoncayo | lol |
| 06:51.50 | jmoncayo | why? |
| 06:51.51 | jmoncayo | hahaha |
| 06:51.54 | jaaaaakke | idk |
| 06:51.56 | jaaaaakke | im just so pissed |
| 06:52.02 | jmoncayo | i was too |
| 06:52.07 | jmoncayo | until i got it to work |
| 06:52.13 | jmoncayo | debian rocks |
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| 06:52.27 | jmoncayo | jaaaaakke: did u get ur wlan0 out of the box? |
| 06:52.50 | jaaaaakke | yes |
| 06:53.14 | jmoncayo | awesome |
| 06:53.38 | jaaaaakke | i got a question aactually |
| 06:53.39 | jmoncayo | my best guess is ur wirless router is not broadcasting the ssid |
| 06:53.47 | jaaaaakke | oh MAYBE. |
| 06:54.02 | jaaaaakke | oh my god, what if it was my wireless router/. |
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| 06:54.53 | jmoncayo | i am sure it is the problem |
| 06:55.02 | jmoncayo | connect to the web interface and check |
| 06:55.08 | jmoncayo | maybe u disabled it |
| 06:55.22 | jmoncayo | windows vista detect it even if ssid is disabled |
| 06:55.33 | jaaaaakke | trying to now |
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| 06:56.15 | jmoncayo | if u r connected wireless in this desktop u should better try to connect with a cable |
| 06:56.29 | jaaaaakke | i have eth0 disabled |
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| 06:56.37 | jaaaaakke | =\ |
| 06:56.44 | jmoncayo | jaaaaakke: in the laptop? |
| 06:56.47 | jaaaaakke | ya |
| 06:57.32 | jmoncayo | does ifconfig shows ur eth0? |
| 06:57.40 | jaaaaakke | ugh |
| 06:57.44 | jaaaaakke | SSID is enabled |
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| 06:58.28 | jaaaaakke | errr yes, eth0 shows up |
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| 06:59.12 | jmoncayo | it is |
| 06:59.12 | jmoncayo | :S |
| 06:59.42 | jaaaaakke | ths is ironic |
| 06:59.47 | jaaaaakke | as "buggy" as windows is |
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| 07:00.07 | jaaaaakke | linux , the "simple/sophisticated" o/s, which it is...seems to be just as buggy for hardware |
| 07:00.38 | cast | what is the simple/sophisticated os? |
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| 07:00.57 | jaaaaakke | linux |
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| 07:01.01 | cast | oh, linux, right, |
| 07:01.03 | jmoncayo | jaaaaakke: problem is not linux, it is crappy hardware |
| 07:01.30 | jaaaaakke | im spewing bullshit, im just pissed |
| 07:01.43 | jmoncayo | i do always have the same problem with broadcom adapters |
| 07:01.47 | cast | point one: it's a kernel. point two: as jmoncayo said, crappy hardware! |
| 07:01.49 | beardy | Troll somewhere else. |
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| 07:05.01 | socken23 | Hi all! Can someone tell:is java 6 supported by debian etch? |
| 07:05.58 | socken23 | Because I just see sun-java5-jdk in the package management... |
| 07:06.07 | socken23 | does that mean I need to install it manually? |
| 07:06.11 | Supaplex | *ACHOO* x 2 |
| 07:06.25 | enouf | eshew? |
| 07:06.43 | jaaaaakke | why does my network icon dissapera? |
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| 07:21.42 | socken23 | OK, looks like I need to add backports to get java6 in debian etch |
| 07:21.52 | socken23 | Feel free to correct me ;-) |
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| 07:27.24 | sepult_ | morning |
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| 07:28.04 | sepult_ | omg i have to shave |
| 07:28.44 | enouf | lower half? |
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| 07:28.52 | sepult_ | lol |
| 07:28.55 | sepult_ | chin |
| 07:28.57 | enouf | :-P |
| 07:29.12 | sepult_ | i look like out of the rain forests |
| 07:29.21 | sepult_ | waaahaahh |
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| 07:34.18 | myeggo | good morning |
| 07:34.24 | myeggo | after an upgrade i get this error: http://pastebin.com/m7e062f20 |
| 07:34.41 | myeggo | a little resume The program 'gnome-settings-daemon' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. |
| 07:37.09 | myeggo | is it already a know bug or i can try something? |
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| 07:39.32 | MrWax | when I do cat file | how can I exclude all lines with acertain word? |
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| 07:41.24 | nkuttler | MrWax: grep |
| 07:41.25 | Ace2017_- | MrWax: grep -v pattern |
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| 07:41.45 | enouf | you don't cat it either |
| 07:42.02 | Ace2017_- | grep -v pattern filename |
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| 07:47.07 | MrWax | and case insensitive? |
| 07:47.20 | MrWax | like that excluded word can be WoRD and WORD? |
| 07:47.22 | enouf | man man man |
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| 07:53.10 | zhxk2 | hi,all |
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| 07:56.24 | dboehmer | hi |
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| 07:56.43 | dboehmer | i need help installing postgresql on debian lenny |
| 07:57.13 | dboehmer | i have already asked about that yesterday in the evening, but work was out then... |
| 07:57.27 | sepult_ | im off in a few minutes |
| 07:57.31 | dboehmer | anybody here who would like to help me setting up postgres? |
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| 07:58.02 | sepult_ | dboehmer: createuser, createdb, pg_ctlcluster |
| 07:58.28 | tanlaan | Hello everyone |
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| 07:59.06 | tanlaan | I was just wondering if anyone knew of a fix for the problem 'screen' has with the program finch. I'm unable to navigate windows with my arrow keys while using finch within screen |
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| 08:01.16 | dboehmer | sepult_: do i need to run these command as user "postgres"? |
| 08:01.23 | donkdonk | is there something in debian that can do the same thing as "yum whatprovides <*bin/whatever>" |
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| 08:02.01 | sepult_ | dboehmer: yes, just su to it, then create your users, maybe you want to give root superuser account too |
| 08:02.22 | sepult_ | dboehmer: you should let all else be not superuser though |
| 08:02.28 | dboehmer | sepult_: i'll have a try |
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| 08:03.50 | dboehmer | sepult_: what is pg_ctlcluster supposed to do? |
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| 08:04.25 | sepult_ | dboehmer: maintain, the lot's of versions out there, you can have a postgres 8.3 and for example 8.4 running at the same time |
| 08:04.56 | sepult_ | dboehmer: it's for initialising the database too |
| 08:05.08 | dboehmer | sepult_: well, i have only current debian stable version installed. do i need that command thogh? |
| 08:05.10 | sepult_ | dboehmer: if there were none initialised before |
| 08:05.19 | dboehmer | ah, ok |
| 08:05.40 | sepult_ | dboehmer: something else was not available for me or was shadowed or overriden, i used that command |
| 08:05.48 | dboehmer | how to give a password for users? i have just created "root" as superuser but no password was read |
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| 08:06.23 | sepult_ | dboehmer: -W |
| 08:06.33 | sepult_ | dboehmer: normally it should ask you |
| 08:06.40 | sepult_ | dboehmer: for a password |
| 08:06.48 | dboehmer | it didn't |
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| 08:06.58 | sepult_ | dboehmer: if not use your account, and set a password fromwithin |
| 08:07.36 | dboehmer | sepult_: can you name a list of those commands? |
| 08:07.46 | sepult_ | dboehmer: sorry i have to go |
| 08:07.50 | dboehmer | ok |
| 08:08.00 | dboehmer | thanks so far! this could be a good initial hint |
| 08:08.47 | AlexC_ | gmorning |
| 08:09.23 | AlexC_ | I'm unable to make a curl request to a domain of mine - it just sits there as if it is going to time out, but it never does. This is also related to my apt issue where it just sits there at Waiting for Headers 99% |
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| 08:09.40 | AlexC_ | if someone could lend a hand on this, highly appreciated since I can't get any updates (and security updates) for a live production server! |
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| 08:10.52 | qomo | donkdonk: the second form on http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages for offline use: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/Contents-i386.gz |
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| 08:11.17 | phet | Hello, I have just installed debian, how can I enable the radeon driver? |
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| 08:12.51 | nkuttler | AlexC_: can you access anything on port 80 outside your own network? |
| 08:12.57 | keviN-- | hi |
| 08:12.59 | keviN-- | is it possible to get the debian/ directorys of the package maintainer? |
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| 08:14.22 | AlexC_ | Knorrie, yes, I can for example curl google.co.uk and selected sites. I did try using the IP address of my domain name, and that worked - which would suggest DNS issue, however I have also changed nameservers and still no good. If it was DNS, surely DNS would just not work - which isn't the case |
| 08:14.27 | AlexC_ | sorry, that was for nkuttler |
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| 08:14.28 | donkdonk | qomo: thanks |
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| 08:14.58 | AlexC_ | nkuttler, everything has been working good, suddenly it has just given up |
| 08:15.18 | thnee | i have installed phpmyadmin, and selected autoconfiguration for ligghtpd, but when i go to localhost/phpmyadmin i get 403 - forbidden |
| 08:15.24 | nkuttler | AlexC_: sounds like your domain is down... and maybe your mirror too |
| 08:15.49 | AlexC_ | nkuttler, nope, domain isn't down and nor the mirror. I can access the domain and mirror from anything but this server |
| 08:16.04 | nkuttler | AlexC_: traceroute |
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| 08:17.37 | AlexC_ | nkuttler, http://paste2.org/p/193579 |
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| 08:18.23 | thnee | and i have nothing in /var/log/lighttpd/ ... |
| 08:18.28 | nkuttler | AlexC_: is theplanet.com your hoster? |
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| 08:21.55 | AlexC_ | nkuttler, no, my VPS that tangocms.org is on is in that data center though. The server I did this on is in London |
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| 08:22.35 | thnee | Starting web server: lighttpd/usr/sbin/lighttpd: Symbol `FamErrlist' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking |
| 08:22.39 | thnee | nice |
| 08:25.31 | deonild | Hi, I'm using Knoppix based on Debian, I've installed to USB (persistant image). flash plugin non-free, and swfdec don't work, at least for iceweasel... |
| 08:25.32 | AlexC_ | nkuttler, do you know which port apt uses? |
| 08:25.42 | nkuttler | AlexC_: not sure what to make of this... can you telnet to the hosts on port 80? |
| 08:25.56 | nkuttler | AlexC_: usually 80, unless you use ftp sources |
| 08:26.10 | deonild | how do I get flash? |
| 08:26.21 | nkuttler | deonild: apt-cache search flash plugin |
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| 08:26.23 | enouf | deonild: sorry, but .. you're in the wrong channel |
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| 08:26.31 | deonild | thx |
| 08:26.45 | AlexC_ | nkuttler, yes, I can. Telnet from the London server (one with issues) to tangocms.org works just fine, it connected |
| 08:26.46 | enouf | deonild: try knoppix or some other place - maybe ##linux |
| 08:26.51 | enouf | er #knoppix |
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| 08:27.01 | deonild | posted in both, first answer here :) |
| 08:27.03 | yokobr | galera |
| 08:27.07 | AlexC_ | this is such a strange issue, because I *can* also curl security.debian.org - yet apt can't get anything from it |
| 08:27.11 | yokobr | hey guys |
| 08:27.19 | nkuttler | AlexC_: paste your sources.list |
| 08:27.23 | yokobr | how do i instal graphical interface on debian? |
| 08:27.32 | thnee | are really /usr/share/phpmyadmin/* supposed to be owned by root? |
| 08:27.59 | enouf | deonild: please /msg dpkg based on debian (to fully understand what i'm getting at ... nicely) |
| 08:28.13 | deonild | yokobr sudo apt-get install (kde, gnome, fluxbox, lxde, xfce) |
| 08:28.14 | caraconan | Hi. I have a server with many .avi files. I have a client with an iceweasel client, and I would put the url of the .avi file, click it and start to see the file 'online', not to see the download interface. I think is an iceweasel plugins issue. Any help? Thanks |
| 08:28.21 | AlexC_ | nkuttler, http://paste2.org/p/193580 - I have commented all of these out and added in mirrors from all over the world for the paste few days, I get exactly the same issue with every mirror I try |
| 08:28.23 | nkuttler | yokobr: and xorg |
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| 08:28.31 | yokobr | well, i dont even have xorg, x11, nothing |
| 08:28.37 | Suzu | hello |
| 08:28.37 | yokobr | just the base system |
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| 08:29.03 | yokobr | and i would like to install enlightment =D |
| 08:29.11 | nkuttler | AlexC_: i think apt uses wget by default, no idea about curl. maybe you configured it to go through some proxy that doesn't exist? i don't use curl myself |
| 08:29.33 | deonild | yokobr, if you want just base system. go with Fluxbox for GUI. It's just minimal WM. |
| 08:29.51 | AlexC_ | nkuttler, I've touched nothing about configuration. With wget tangocms.org I get the following: HTTP request sent, awaiting response... and it sits there |
| 08:30.03 | yokobr | i dont like fluxbox. |
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| 08:30.07 | enouf | AlexC_: does "echo $http_proxy" return anything? |
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| 08:30.23 | yokobr | Its cool.. but i hate to manually config. icons and other things.. |
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| 08:30.33 | AlexC_ | enouf, no |
| 08:30.35 | yokobr | like menu's.. etc |
| 08:30.43 | deonild | yokobr, then, imo, go gnome/kde, and remove all the gnome/K apps and build up from min |
| 08:30.46 | enouf | AlexC_: also try using $CAPS |
| 08:31.03 | AlexC_ | enouf, same |
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| 08:31.14 | nkuttler | AlexC_: if you can curl and telnet on port 80 it's a wget issue |
| 08:31.18 | deonild | flux is best under kwin and metacity, openbox maybe 4th |
| 08:31.20 | enouf | ok |
| 08:31.31 | AlexC_ | nkuttler, well ... if it was wget issue, why is curl having issues? |
| 08:31.42 | yokobr | i'll try fluxbox so. |
| 08:31.47 | nkuttler | AlexC_: you said that you _can_ use curl to access the sites |
| 08:31.50 | deonild | i like flux |
| 08:32.03 | AlexC_ | nkuttler, for security.debian.org yes - tangocms.rog no |
| 08:32.06 | AlexC_ | s/rog/org |
| 08:32.18 | yokobr | ok |
| 08:32.29 | yokobr | installed. Now how do i do to start fluxbox? |
| 08:32.58 | nkuttler | AlexC_: no idea |
| 08:32.58 | deonild | o, from base debian install?... I would give restart and see if auto-loads works |
| 08:33.06 | yokobr | gotcha =D |
| 08:33.07 | AlexC_ | nkuttler, ok, thanks anyway |
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| 08:34.05 | nkuttler | AlexC_: dig, ping, traceroute, telnet, if that works it's curl/wget |
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| 08:34.58 | deonild | yokobr, you might have to install a login manager (which will automate things... or you edit config files).. like GDM, kdm, xdm.... and then add "xdm" to... a config file 1 sec |
| 08:34.59 | AlexC_ | =\ |
| 08:36.05 | deonild | anyone know what file in debian has autoloads? would be easier for me to find in gentoo :o |
| 08:36.13 | deonild | /etc/? |
| 08:36.14 | caraconan | <AlexC_> what's the 'aptitude update' output? |
| 08:36.22 | AlexC_ | caraconan, same as apt |
| 08:36.32 | caraconan | But I mean, wich error? |
| 08:36.47 | AlexC_ | caraconan, no error, it just sits at: 99% [Waiting for headers] |
| 08:36.57 | enouf | autoloads .. heh .. oh the fun i could have with that word ... |
| 08:37.16 | caraconan | Ok, and it hangs ? |
| 08:37.33 | AlexC_ | yes |
| 08:37.58 | AlexC_ | even an FTP mirror is not working. I did, however - see on the right hand side something about 60Bps/17mins |
| 08:38.00 | caraconan | Sorry, no idea |
| 08:38.05 | AlexC_ | and it has since disappeared |
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| 08:38.39 | caraconan | It's strange, because you connect, but the connection hangs |
| 08:38.57 | caraconan | Maybe replacing 'lenny' with 'stable' and 'squeeze' with 'testing' |
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| 08:39.04 | caraconan | It's quite absurd, but.... |
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| 08:39.24 | AlexC_ | mmm no that has no affect |
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| 08:39.51 | deonild | i recently learned - don't do that with mepis |
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| 08:43.07 | AlexC_ | how does one go about configuring curl/wget anyway? |
| 08:44.36 | caraconan | /etc/wgetrc |
| 08:44.39 | caraconan | Is the main file |
| 08:44.55 | caraconan | For curl I suppose some similar |
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| 08:47.22 | caraconan | Can someone help me with the browser plugin? |
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| 08:51.08 | goksin | caraconan: What plugin? |
| 08:51.55 | enouf | what browser even |
| 08:52.03 | caraconan | To watch .avi files on iceweasel |
| 08:52.14 | caraconan | Instead of download the file |
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| 08:53.33 | themill | judd versions totem-mozilla |
| 08:53.34 | judd | themill: totem-mozilla -- etch: 2.16.5-3 lenny: 2.22.2-5 sid: 2.22.2-5 squeeze: 2.22.2-5 experimental: 2.24.3-2 sid: 2.24.3-3 experimental: 2.26.1-1 |
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| 08:54.29 | yokobr | is there any way to easy remaster my debian desktop?/ |
| 08:54.29 | caraconan | then, I should install totem-mozilla? |
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| 08:55.04 | caraconan | Thanls, I try |
| 08:55.12 | enouf | !info bootcd |
| 08:55.39 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.14 (sid), Packaged size: 74 kB, Installed size: 284 kB |
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| 08:57.19 | caraconan | thanks! it works |
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| 08:59.22 | base3 | anyone have successfully ripped and edited subtitles using debian tools, and if so which ones? |
| 09:00.08 | base3 | (the page on the debian wiki only talks about manually extracting/editing straight from video) |
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| 09:06.17 | schmrz | Hi all. Is it possible to hide panels on all workspaces except on the first one? If I should ask this question somewhere else, please point me in the right direction. Thank you ! :) |
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| 09:10.44 | techouse | is anyone here running OOo 3.0.1 on Lenny? |
| 09:10.59 | techouse | the backports version |
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| 09:12.07 | hjb | techouse: yeah |
| 09:12.34 | techouse | hjb: is it ok? |
| 09:12.49 | techouse | i mean...stable etc. |
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| 09:14.31 | epsilon | is OOo ever stable? |
| 09:14.56 | hjb | techouse: i use it only casionally and haven't installed it that long ago, but upon now, everything i've tried work well |
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| 09:15.00 | techouse | well, i kinda need it to be |
| 09:15.01 | hjb | no crashes etc.. |
| 09:15.16 | techouse | i'm making a debbie VM for my girl's boss |
| 09:15.17 | hjb | techouse: that's the question: what's your use case? |
| 09:15.25 | hjb | ok |
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| 09:15.31 | techouse | so he kinda demands stability |
| 09:15.35 | techouse | and usability |
| 09:15.49 | techouse | ooo 2.4 doesn't cut it for him anymore |
| 09:15.50 | techouse | :/ |
| 09:16.22 | hjb | techouse: so which options do you have now? 2.4 isn't wanted, so you need 3.0 |
| 09:16.29 | techouse | yea |
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| 09:16.42 | hjb | techouse: you could either use the backport or the version from testing/unstable |
| 09:16.48 | techouse | but installing the backported 3.0 will remove some java sql thing |
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| 09:17.02 | techouse | i forgot which package and i need java and sql to work together |
| 09:17.05 | jaaaaakke | Question.... anyone here using the ath5k module? |
| 09:17.46 | techouse | hjb: or own compile form source |
| 09:17.58 | hjb | techouse: java/sql thing? some functionality inside or unrelated to OOo? |
| 09:18.00 | techouse | but it would take me hours :P |
| 09:18.06 | hjb | techouse: heh :) |
| 09:18.08 | techouse | unrelated to ooo |
| 09:18.26 | techouse | i got jboss and mysql running on that vm to support a 3rd app |
| 09:18.37 | techouse | yea, it's messy, but it's academic stuff |
| 09:18.41 | hjb | techouse: strange, this didn't happen when i installed it. |
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| 09:19.23 | techouse | dunno...i'll make a backup of the vm and then see what the backport does |
| 09:19.24 | hjb | techouse: could you figure out why it was actually removed? |
| 09:19.43 | techouse | will do, when 7zip finishes compressing |
| 09:19.44 | techouse | :) |
| 09:20.10 | techouse | ~20 min |
| 09:20.28 | techouse | brb, gotta make coffee |
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| 09:23.48 | nas2 | how to enter postgreysql DB? |
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| 09:23.57 | nas2 | for mysql just type mysql in cmd |
| 09:24.05 | jerome | psql |
| 09:24.07 | nas2 | how about for postgreSQL |
| 09:24.10 | nas2 | okies |
| 09:24.26 | nas2 | thanks |
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| 09:27.23 | techouse | hjb: i'll probably go with the sid package |
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| 09:28.36 | techouse | oh, wait, squeeze has it too |
| 09:28.37 | techouse | :) |
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| 09:31.58 | hjb | techouse: why that? |
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| 09:32.20 | techouse | i always liked stable/testing rigs |
| 09:32.27 | techouse | never really was into backports |
| 09:32.44 | techouse | but i'll try both |
| 09:32.49 | hjb | doesn't OOo pulls to much testing into your stable? |
| 09:33.00 | base3 | if i'm using squeeze, is that testing or unstable? |
| 09:33.00 | techouse | ye...probably |
| 09:33.06 | techouse | testing |
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| 09:33.11 | base3 | thx |
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| 09:35.03 | base3 | does anyone if some package replaces gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-full, this package is not debian-multimedia anymore? |
| 09:37.12 | techouse | i accidentally a coca-cola bottle |
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| 09:40.53 | nas2 | how to see all history? |
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| 09:40.57 | zhxk | excuse how to mount another partition as root |
| 09:41.24 | themill | techouse: a stable+testing mix is a disaster waiting to happen. OOo 3 from backports.org works very nicely though. |
| 09:41.26 | ultra | su root |
| 09:41.30 | nas2 | because sometimes even if we log in as same user, i can only see my history but not the history of the other person |
| 09:41.42 | techouse | themill: heh :D |
| 09:41.47 | ultra | mount dev /mnt/x |
| 09:41.51 | nas2 | seems like diff session does not see history ? |
| 09:41.53 | ultra | mount -t dev /mnt/x |
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| 09:42.53 | themill | techouse: although the improvements over debian's OOo2.4 aren't as great as you will see between 2.4 and 3.0 in OOo normally because debian uses the Novell branch of OOo so debian's 2.4 had a lot of 3.0 features in it already. |
| 09:43.14 | zhxk | ultra: are you anwering to me? well how to mount another partition as root fs |
| 09:43.20 | base3 | let's all ask ourselves |
| 09:43.29 | base3 | what's the point of all this free software? |
| 09:43.29 | techouse | themill: it uses suse's branch....no way.... |
| 09:43.30 | techouse | lol |
| 09:43.34 | base3 | does it have a point? |
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| 09:43.46 | base3 | are we better off than if there was no free software? |
| 09:43.52 | base3 | does it? are we? |
| 09:43.58 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 09:44.01 | techouse | base3: definitely better off than mac |
| 09:44.13 | jelly | base3: this isn't the place for philosophical questions, but tech support |
| 09:44.21 | techouse | +1 |
| 09:44.59 | themill | techouse: not SuSE's branch but Novell's. Slight difference. See go-oo.org for details. |
| 09:45.18 | techouse | ok |
| 09:45.23 | techouse | thanx for the info |
| 09:45.24 | techouse | :) |
| 09:46.24 | techouse | the backports OOo 3.0 wants to remove libhsqldb-java-gcj |
| 09:46.33 | techouse | that worries me |
| 09:47.05 | Honeyman | Hi all. Anyone knows a place where one can find a linux-image-2.6.28-*-amd64 package (for AMD64 arch), with appropriate linux-headers and linux-kbuild? Maybe, someone can share? |
| 09:47.45 | techouse | oh well....i'll switch from gij to sun |
| 09:47.54 | techouse | think it works as well |
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| 09:48.33 | daf999 | whats a nice manual page reader for gtk? |
| 09:48.41 | daf999 | xman kinda old |
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| 09:49.00 | jelly | Honeyman: if it's gone from the repository, snapshot.debian.net |
| 09:49.04 | Zharf | daf999, any terminal |
| 09:49.04 | anddam_ | hello |
| 09:49.29 | techouse | daf999: what's wrong with the terminal man :D |
| 09:49.49 | techouse | don't you like green text on black bg? :D |
| 09:49.58 | daf999 | techouse, I want something like 'gman' so i can search like a human |
| 09:50.05 | Zharf | techouse, green? |
| 09:50.36 | daf999 | techouse obviously still lives in the 80s :) |
| 09:50.56 | Zharf | well yeah... I have grey on black, so much more 00s |
| 09:50.59 | mischief6 | uh, anyone know how i can force tar to untar, even though it says the timestamp of the files is in the future? |
| 09:51.07 | Honeyman | jelly: holy cow... thanks. An incredible site. |
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| 09:52.04 | zhxk | ultra: are you anwering to me? well how to mount another partition as root fs lively? |
| 09:52.25 | Honeyman | jelly: Did they hacked the google storage, or something? I suppose that should be an unbelievable large demand of disk size |
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| 09:52.49 | anddam_ | do google offer storage? |
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| 09:53.19 | jelly | Honeyman: suppose? There's a graph on the first page. |
| 09:53.19 | zhxk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:54.00 | jelly | Honeyman: not updated recently, but you can do a exp() extrapolation |
| 09:54.41 | Honeyman | From the first look, I thought that was the traffic graph |
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| 09:55.27 | techouse | Zharf: commodore style :) |
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| 10:03.30 | blindy | is there a client for debian for dc++? on a headless server |
| 10:04.34 | bolt | blindy: apt-cache search "direct connect" would go a long way in answering that question for you |
| 10:04.53 | Dassu | blindy: yeah there is dc++ linux version |
| 10:05.52 | Dassu | linuxdcpp is the package name |
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| 10:07.08 | jelly | Dassu: the tags make it seem like an X app |
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| 10:07.23 | jelly | Tag: implemented-in::c++, interface::x11, network::client, role::program, uitoolkit::gtk, use::downloading, works-with::file, x11::application |
| 10:07.59 | Dassu | oh "headless" |
| 10:08.01 | Dassu | >< |
| 10:08.11 | bolt | apt-cache search "direct connect" reveals stuff like dctc. might work. also, i think dcgui has a backend that could run without x |
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| 10:19.21 | WormFood | does anyone know if there is a linux based unformat tool for fat32? (that is of course assuming the drive can be unformatted) |
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| 10:20.42 | alex_training | hi all ! I'm searching a way to make a server to swap (it's for training purpose, we are making a script that monitor if a server swaps) |
| 10:22.35 | jelly | alex_training: off the top of my head, memtest can be used to allocate lots of ram (so other things will end up on swap) |
| 10:23.01 | pyrohotdog | How can I undo changes made by startupmanager from command line?? The boot splash I installed is interfering with my harddrive encryption password, and I cannot boot. |
| 10:23.20 | Honeyman | jelly: feeling lame but... what pattern syntax does the query field on snapshot.debian.net supports? Haven't guessed any, and haven't found any hint on that. |
| 10:23.44 | alex_training | jelly: thanks, but I'm seeking a way to make swapping on a running unix system |
| 10:24.01 | alex_training | no unix guru that can answer this atypic question ? |
| 10:24.17 | jelly | alex_training: yes. memtester, not "memtest86" |
| 10:24.23 | WormFood | define "swapping" |
| 10:24.29 | WormFood | you want to use swap space? |
| 10:25.08 | jelly | judd: info memtester |
| 10:25.08 | judd | jelly: memtester (utils): is optional; Version: 4.0.8-1; Size: 12.2k; Installed: 40k -- A utility for testing the memory subsystem |
| 10:25.27 | alex_training | WormFood: We want to use swap space for detect anormal swap (we are making a monitor script) |
| 10:25.46 | WormFood | anormal, or abnormal? |
| 10:25.50 | jelly | Honeyman: I'm clueless on that, too |
| 10:26.00 | jelly | WormFood: there's a difference? |
| 10:26.19 | WormFood | of course |
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| 10:27.50 | alex_training | we are going to eat, thanks for your response ... I'm trying to find a solution this aftenoon ! thanks a lot jelly WormFood judd |
| 10:28.58 | WormFood | does anyone know of a linux based tool that will unformat a fat32 formatted hard drive, assuming the proper info was backed up at the time of format? |
| 10:29.19 | at0m | anyone else got spammed by ILoveU [n=ircap@m85-94-175-106.andorpac.ad] ? |
| 10:29.31 | petemc | WormFood: formatting doesnt back up information |
| 10:29.32 | WormFood | not yet at0m |
| 10:29.42 | WormFood | petemc, don't contradict me |
| 10:30.04 | petemc | WormFood: im correcting you |
| 10:30.10 | WormFood | petemc, if you format a fat32 hard drive on winblows, it sure as hell does back up info so you can unformat it, if the drive isn't completely full |
| 10:30.15 | WormFood | no, you're not correcting me |
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| 10:30.21 | petemc | it sure as hell doesnt |
| 10:30.33 | WormFood | I know what I'm talking about....I've unformatted plenty of disks before |
| 10:30.45 | WormFood | and recovered every single byte |
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| 10:31.01 | bolt | it's not called "unformatting" |
| 10:31.04 | at0m | WormFood, best you can do is recreate the partition then try some undelete app to read raw data |
| 10:31.04 | bolt | you're recovering data |
| 10:31.06 | petemc | its file recovery |
| 10:31.07 | WormFood | yes it is |
| 10:31.16 | WormFood | no at0m, that is not the best that can be done |
| 10:31.18 | bolt | the file allocation table has been cleared. so-called "quick format" |
| 10:31.22 | bolt | you're recovering it |
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| 10:31.34 | bolt | that's no backup, you're just running through the drive looking for files |
| 10:31.56 | bolt | it's as much of a backup as throwing away the labels on all your boxes and keeping their contents |
| 10:31.59 | WormFood | when winblows formats a formatted hard drive, if there is space, it will backup the needed info, and you can turn around and unformat it, if you haven't written any files to the hard drive |
| 10:32.06 | bolt | you can still find stuff, until you throw it out and put something else there |
| 10:32.18 | bolt | WormFood: wrong. very, very wrong |
| 10:32.19 | at0m | WormFood, you're talking crap |
| 10:32.21 | WormFood | god damn it! I've done this before! I know what I'm talking about |
| 10:32.30 | nkuttler | WormFood: so use a windows box to do it |
| 10:32.34 | bolt | WormFood: no, you don't. read what I said |
| 10:32.45 | kervan | Hi. Can anybody help me please? I'm working to install libgnome2-dev: and it Depends: libgnome2-0 (=2.20.1.1-1) but synaptic works to install 2.20.1.1-2 that's why synaptic can't install it. How can I install 2.20.1.1-1 ? |
| 10:32.53 | Trewas | even dos did what WormFood describes, dunno about windows but I guess they have kept that functionality |
| 10:33.03 | WormFood | http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&complete=1#complete=1&hl=en&num=100&newwindow=1&q=unformat+fat32&fp=4naomIOns-w fucking use google you fucktards! |
| 10:33.04 | at0m | WormFood, and let us know how you did it. teach us instead of dismissing anything we say. |
| 10:33.18 | WormFood | there is a god damn "unformat" command |
| 10:33.24 | nkuttler | WormFood: and stop insulting us, thanks |
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| 10:33.28 | WormFood | I know it works on fat32 |
| 10:33.31 | amphi | WormFood: please be more excitable |
| 10:33.42 | at0m | just ignores the troll |
| 10:33.46 | WormFood | IF the hard drive was formatted where the needed info was backed up |
| 10:34.04 | WormFood | if you format the drive under Linux, it won't save the info, and you can't unformat it and recover all the data |
| 10:34.15 | nkuttler | WormFood: and the google link you just posted just shows data recovery software... no magic 'unformat' |
| 10:34.30 | ltunes001 | hi, i have still the same problem since yesterday with my screen i know now a lot about modelines , xorg and xrandr, but i want to make use of the option "Viewport" and i cannot manage it |
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| 10:34.46 | WormFood | I haven't tried it under XPee, but I sure as hell know that under win9x, it would back up, and restore the needed info with "format" and "unformat" |
| 10:35.11 | bolt | WormFood: also, deleting the equivalent file allocation table on a linux system will allow you to recover files just the same way |
| 10:35.24 | ltunes001 | if i set Viewport in subsebtion display to 200 0 it will start at 0 0... and there seems to be noone to help on #xorg.. |
| 10:35.26 | WormFood | no bolt, I'm talking about something different |
| 10:35.35 | jelly | WormFood: if it existed, it'd likely be in dosfstools package or similar; however, noting that mkfs.vfat doesn't save backup data itself, as you've mentioned, it's likely there's no unformat functionality either |
| 10:35.47 | WormFood | when you format the drive, windows will backup the info to another spot on the hard drive. |
| 10:36.00 | bolt | WormFood: no |
| 10:36.02 | WormFood | and of course, I'm talking about a quick format, not a complete format. |
| 10:36.12 | jelly | bolt: arguments please |
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| 10:36.19 | WormFood | and of course, I'm talking about high level format, not low level format |
| 10:36.19 | nkuttler | WormFood: you may be talking about system recovery, which is basically a backup. did you make backups? no. good luck then |
| 10:36.30 | WormFood | no, I'm not talking about system recovery |
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| 10:36.44 | nkuttler | WormFood: as i said, use a windows box to do it |
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| 10:37.13 | WormFood | I want to avoid pulling this hard drive, and putting it in a windows box, which is why I asked about doing it under Linux |
| 10:37.24 | twinkie_addict | windows dose have its uses even if is inst the best os inthe world lol |
| 10:37.35 | bolt | jelly: i'm actually looking at this now. i can't find any reference saying it does back up anything, thus i assume it does not. there's no documentation saying it goes on fishing trips every sunday, so i assume it doesn't. |
| 10:37.36 | Kazuha | IIRC, you can't "low level format" modern drives, they aren't equipped for that. |
| 10:37.57 | jelly | WormFood: it's kind of obvious the users here know nothing about it |
| 10:38.03 | ltunes001 | !xorg :( |
| 10:38.45 | twinkie_addict | whats he trying to do i just came in to the room |
| 10:38.52 | p0g0 | Kazuha: there are some utilities that will low level some drives, iirc. |
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| 10:39.33 | Kazuha | You need special hardware to do it with modern drives, from what I hear. Hardware that only HD manufactures have. |
| 10:39.58 | twinkie_addict | ive only low levele formated once on an old ibm desktop but i used the manufactures cd to do it |
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| 10:40.06 | p0g0 | Kazuha: maybe so, I haven't used or needed those utils. |
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| 10:40.48 | Kazuha | And twinkie_addict -- I know one use, its "get Kazuha paid for it being frustratingly annoying to install" (MSOS). |
| 10:40.50 | MrWax | I just like to install a plain debian, what cd-iso image do you recommend me? |
| 10:40.58 | WormFood | geez, finding info the internet is a bitch....I remember at least dos 5.0 and windows 95 had an unformat command with the OS....if your hard drive wasn't 100% full, and you quick formatted it, you could unformat it |
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| 10:41.13 | Kazuha | The first CD and/or a netinst CD. |
| 10:41.15 | MrWax | and if I like to have the partition where debian runs in encrypted, what encryption tools would you guys recommend me? |
| 10:41.26 | WormFood | I remember my neighbor bought me some floppy disks to give him some files on....I unformatted every disk, and got all of his files off it |
| 10:41.41 | p0g0 | Kazuha: but google led me to this: http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Hard-Disk-Utils/HDD-Low-Level-Format-Tool.shtml |
| 10:42.05 | WormFood | er, I mean dos 6.x....I think dos 5 could do it too |
| 10:42.16 | ltunes001 | ok let me rephrase my question form above: does anybody have an xorg conf with: "modeline", "viewport" "virtual" and has his/her screen smaller than the monitor? |
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| 10:42.20 | twinkie_addict | MrMax get the netinstall |
| 10:42.24 | MrWax | twinkie_addict: ok |
| 10:42.32 | ltunes001 | if so plz pastebin it and gie me a link |
| 10:42.38 | MrWax | Download a minimal bootable CD image. Are you sure you really need the full CDs? You can just get the basic installation system - it will download the rest of the distribution if and when needed during the installation. |
| 10:42.40 | amphi | 'low-level format' is a much abused term - I see many people use it to mean writing zeros all over the drive |
| 10:42.42 | MrWax | that one? |
| 10:43.04 | WormFood | yeah amphi, as we can't really do a true low level format on hard drives, without special tools |
| 10:43.47 | mythomaniac | is there a log feature for nsf? |
| 10:43.48 | WormFood | I remember I had a program (from maxtor), that would do a true low level format on maxtor hard drives. |
| 10:43.50 | amphi | right - but cat /dev/zero > /dev/blah is not a low-level format |
| 10:44.02 | p0g0 | WormFood: what I think you are referring to is the second copy of the FAT being discovered after a quick format- that would behave as you describe, but it is not common to all filesystems, and one has to get lucky that the disk region occupied by the FAT is not overwritten...my 2 cents. |
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| 10:44.23 | Kazuha | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_level_format |
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| 10:46.02 | bolt | WormFood: ah. found what you're referring to: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/69767 |
| 10:46.02 | Kazuha | Low level formating on the consumer level was important with step motor based HDs, and those were MFM/RLL drives. |
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| 10:47.23 | bolt | WormFood: seems it's an old dos feature |
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| 10:47.38 | bolt | WormFood: why don't you just use normal data recovery software anyway? |
| 10:48.01 | MrWax | I have AMD64 arch, but like to install debian 32 bit, which net inst should I pick? |
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| 10:48.47 | humbolt | Can I expand an LVM LV online? And is it possible to also expand the underlaying ext3 FS online_ |
| 10:48.57 | Winkie | yes |
| 10:48.58 | yokobr | hi guys |
| 10:49.13 | yokobr | i need to remaster a debian installed on a vm =) |
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| 10:49.43 | Winkie | humbolt: you should have no problems in using lvextend, and resize2fs (or whatever it's called) should work just fine |
| 10:49.54 | Winkie | yokobr: can you explain what you mean by 'remaster'? |
| 10:50.49 | humbolt | Winkie: Well, I am actually trying to expand an LV used by a Xen instance. How about now? |
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| 10:51.17 | Winkie | humbolt: as far as I know there should be no issue, it depends on how Xen determines available disk space |
| 10:51.31 | Winkie | you can almost certainly resize the underlying block, but i can't guarantee it would work |
| 10:51.36 | Winkie | is this a mission critical Xen instance? |
| 10:51.46 | petemc | its no problem resizing lvm for xen |
| 10:52.21 | humbolt | petemc: Is this also true for etch xen? |
| 10:52.27 | petemc | should be |
| 10:52.44 | petemc | xen doesnt really factor in, just use normal lvm reszing techniques |
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| 10:53.23 | humbolt | petemc: so I can extend the LV on dom0 and then run the ext3 resize stuff in the domU? |
| 10:53.49 | petemc | humbolt: oh, do it all in the dom0 |
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| 10:54.12 | twinkie_addict | i never done before however with ext3 it should be bossible i just never tryed to see |
| 10:54.15 | humbolt | petemc: while domU is running? |
| 10:54.20 | petemc | no.. |
| 10:54.34 | humbolt | petemc: that is what I was asking about |
| 10:54.43 | petemc | right |
| 10:55.05 | humbolt | petemc: can I do it while domU is running and will Xen reflect the changes. |
| 10:55.17 | petemc | no idea, i wouldnt |
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| 11:01.28 | JyZyXEL | whats the best tool for encrypted filesystem? |
| 11:01.43 | bolt | JyZyXEL: whatever you prefer |
| 11:01.47 | bolt | JyZyXEL: encfs is nice |
| 11:02.25 | bolt | JyZyXEL: allows you to use rsync as usual and stuff. neat. |
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| 11:03.01 | JyZyXEL | !encfs |
| 11:03.31 | bolt | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=148600 |
| 11:03.44 | bolt | sorry for the ubuntu crap. works fine on debian too though |
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| 11:04.33 | zhxk | ÕâÀïÓÐûÓÐÖйúÈË°¡£¬»òÕß¿´¶®Öйú×ÖµÄѽ |
| 11:04.53 | bolt | also, since every file is encrypted individually, you can backup single files or restore all the others if a single file is damaged |
| 11:05.01 | bolt | zhxk: cleaning your keyboard? |
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| 11:05.55 | zhxk | bolt:do you read it? |
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| 11:06.16 | AMorozov | Hi! |
| 11:06.49 | AMorozov | I'm trying to build a debian package and would like to ask the question about build process. |
| 11:07.00 | bolt | zhxk: i don't know how to pronounce all those in english |
| 11:07.24 | bolt | AMorozov: just ask :) if someone knows, they might answer. you don't need to ask to ask. |
| 11:07.36 | zhxk | bolt:pronounce what? |
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| 11:07.56 | bolt | zhxk: all the weird letters you just spewed out :P |
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| 11:08.59 | AMorozov | Suppose in order to build a package I need to 'cd subdir/' run there some commands, and then return to the main directory and run other commands there. Are the install dh options or maybe some other stuff in debhelper machinery to achieve the task? |
| 11:09.43 | AMorozov | Or I should simply write ordinal make rules in debian/rules and don't bother with all that machinery? |
| 11:10.13 | zhxk | bolt:does your system utf-8 conformed? |
| 11:10.13 | themill | AMorozov: dh_install can install the files directly from subdir to the target dir. What "stuff" do you need to do? |
| 11:10.35 | bolt | zhxk: should be |
| 11:10.53 | AMorozov | Well, in the working RPM spec the build process looks like that: |
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| 11:11.10 | bolt | zhxk: i can type all my weird norwegian characters, and I've set XChat to UTF-8 for freenode |
| 11:11.14 | bolt | ÃÃÃ
øæå |
| 11:11.16 | bolt | :D |
| 11:11.33 | zhxk | bolt:so you can read it, it's not wirld |
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| 11:12.13 | Winkie | zhxk: your text did not display correctly for me, ï½ãï½ï½ï½ï½ï½
ï½ãï½ï½ãï½ï½ï½ï½ãï½ï½ï½ï½ |
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| 11:13.00 | AMorozov | pushd jcc${PYTHON} setup.py build${PYTHON} setup.py install --root=%buildroot --optimize=2... do some other stuffpopdexport PYTHONPATH=%buildroot%python_sitelibdirmake PYTHON=${PYTHON} |
| 11:13.11 | bolt | zhxk: not for me either. I see the german double-s, upside down question mark, strike-through d, one-half-sign and a bunch of other stuff I don't even know what to call |
| 11:13.22 | bolt | unless that's what you were typing, that is |
| 11:13.31 | yokobr | i cant find that docker (like on mac os x) that comes with xfce |
| 11:13.38 | zhxk | bolt: what you just spewed out is sth shape like OAEAoea |
| 11:13.43 | AMorozov | The whole idea is to build and install to the buildroot a submodule, then build the rest of the stuff with that submodule. |
| 11:13.57 | bolt | zhxk: that's correct |
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| 11:14.55 | bolt | http://img.brothersoft.com/s_screenshot/softimage/l/langpad-norwegian_characters-3699-1228378709.jpeg |
| 11:14.55 | zhxk | bolt:what about that i stroked out? |
| 11:15.01 | zhxk | ÕâÀïÓÐûÓÐÖйúÈË°¡£¬»òÕß¿´¶®Öйú×ÖµÄѽ |
| 11:16.09 | bolt | zhxk: http://www.dhampir.no/stuff/volatile/2009-04-28-131514_1280x1024_scrot.png |
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| 11:17.31 | CoKiNo | hi |
| 11:17.34 | CoKiNo | !list |
| 11:17.34 | dpkg | cokino: VATTENE VIA |
| 11:17.44 | bolt | ... |
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| 11:18.32 | bolt | vaguely remembers using that to list warez bots in channels in the last century at some point... |
| 11:20.57 | techouse | holy shit |
| 11:20.57 | techouse | netsplit :P |
| 11:20.57 | bolt | oops |
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| 11:20.57 | E-bola | i got an issue when trying to upgrade from 2.6.18 to 2.6.26 kernel under lenny |
| 11:20.57 | E-bola | it seems the .26 doesnt find my nic, fails at requesting bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw |
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| 11:21.52 | E-bola | from goolgin it looks like i need to install some bnx2 firmware from nonfree, but can i do this while being booted in .18 and it will work in .26? |
| 11:21.52 | zhxk | well, what happend to the mob that quited a batch just now?' |
| 11:21.52 | at0m | yokobr, avant-window-navigator if you're on gnome |
| 11:21.52 | nkuttler | E-bola: sure |
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| 11:21.57 | at0m | yokobr, but i've seen other apps doing the same, can't seem to find them now// |
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| 11:22.06 | zhxk | well, what happend to the mob that quited in a batch just now?' |
| 11:22.09 | E-bola | nkuttler: thanks |
| 11:22.23 | nkuttler | E-bola: and /msg dpkg firmware |
| 11:22.28 | AMorozov | then perhaps you mismatched with RE syntax. |
| 11:22.28 | yokobr | at0m, avant will not work, since i dont have compiz |
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| 11:23.06 | unop | zhxk, a netsplit happened |
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| 11:23.24 | E-bola | nkuttler: i just couldnt figure out if the firmware packages might be kernel specific, but i guess not |
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| 11:23.53 | zhxk | unop:what is netsplit |
| 11:24.03 | themill | dpkg: tell zhxk about netsplit |
| 11:24.05 | xand | a split in the network |
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| 11:24.35 | at0m | yokobr, doh. |
| 11:24.56 | bolt | zhxk: http://www.dhampir.no/stuff/volatile/2009-04-28-131514_1280x1024_scrot.png |
| 11:25.04 | bolt | zhxk: that's how your characters appear to me |
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| 11:27.02 | testi | I have a set of iptables commands that write new rules into the firewall, but i won't to apply all rules at once so that all rules apply at the same time even in case the CPU pauses the process that executes the iptables setup script |
| 11:27.17 | testi | *won't - want |
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| 11:29.21 | pyrohotdog | Is it true that if I'm running Debian 5 testing, and run all the upgrades, I'll be stable? |
| 11:29.29 | zhxk | dpkg: who is dpkg |
| 11:29.30 | dpkg | zhxk: what are you talking about? |
| 11:29.53 | zhxk | dpkg:you act like a robat |
| 11:29.54 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 11:30.36 | yang | I cannot execute "alsaconf" on AMD64, there is no file in alsa-utils either |
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| 11:31.00 | Juanjo | No ifconfig command in Debian? |
| 11:31.07 | themill | Juanjo: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 11:31.12 | yang | Juanjo: /sbin/ifconfig (as root) |
| 11:31.19 | abrotman | you don't have to be root to run it |
| 11:31.32 | themill | pyrohotdog: depends what all the upgrades are. If you only have "lenny" and "lenny/updates" from official mirrors in your sources.list, then yes. |
| 11:31.41 | Juanjo | sorry guys I am coming from Ubuntu and I want to jump to Debian so.. |
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| 11:32.28 | zhxk | dpkg: talk with themill |
| 11:32.28 | dpkg | zhxk: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 11:32.30 | AMorozov | :) |
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| 11:32.59 | zhxk | dpkg: tell themill about anything you know |
| 11:33.10 | themill | zhxk: quit messing with the bot |
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| 11:33.43 | zhxk | dpkg: tell themill about bot |
| 11:33.54 | themill | ... |
| 11:34.00 | abrotman | zhxk: leave the bot alone |
| 11:34.26 | bolt | Juanjo: yes, there's an ifconfig. it's root only by default though |
| 11:34.46 | abrotman | you mean it's only in root's path .. it's not root only |
| 11:34.46 | themill | bolt: you mean only in root's PATH by default, don't you... |
| 11:35.02 | zhxk | abrotman:okay, i just learn it |
| 11:35.02 | bolt | themill: true |
| 11:35.07 | themill | looks around for the strange echo |
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| 11:35.21 | abrotman | wait .. i do'nt get a "true" ? |
| 11:35.51 | bolt | ships off a (bool)0 to abrotman |
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| 11:36.04 | abrotman | eh .. false? |
| 11:36.11 | yang | dpkg -L alsa-utils|grep conf (no alsaconf file) |
| 11:36.11 | dpkg | ii alsa-utils|grep conf (no alsaconf file) 3.1-2.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 11:36.24 | abrotman | yang: which version of debian? |
| 11:36.29 | bolt | gah. not paying enough attention today |
| 11:36.29 | yang | squeeze |
| 11:36.33 | bolt | runs off |
| 11:36.40 | abrotman | yang: maybe you should read the NEWS for alsa-utils |
| 11:36.45 | zhxk | bolt: you don't have a chinese font in your system |
| 11:36.50 | yang | good idea |
| 11:37.04 | bolt | zhxk: useful information, that :) |
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| 11:37.42 | bolt | ships a NOT IC to abrotman as well |
| 11:37.44 | bolt | be happy |
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| 11:41.02 | yang | abrotman: now I get some nice error -- http://pastebin.ca/1405986 |
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| 11:41.40 | abrotman | yang: okay? .. what does tht have to do with a missing alsaconf file? |
| 11:42.24 | yang | usually alsaconf fixed the values to the right ones |
| 11:42.54 | zhxk | bolt: your words actually look like this,and what chinese acutually look like that:http://www.wikifortio.com/816424/screen.JPG |
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| 11:43.33 | abrotman | zhxk: do you have a Debian question? |
| 11:43.46 | yang | abrotman: I assume that the sound daemon was taken by previous process and requires a PC reboot |
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| 11:44.21 | Tenkawa | Is there a debian group maintained document on recommended SSD drive related tweaks/changes one should do to a running debian system? (I'm pondering putting a SSD in my netbook) |
| 11:45.15 | beardy | Tenkawa: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/TipsAndTricks#Extendingflashmemorylife |
| 11:45.17 | zhxk | bolt: your words actually look like this,and what chinese acutually look like that:http://w3.wikifortio.com/node-fs/download/615991336484d9b664622ab90b62165f/screen.JPG |
| 11:45.22 | Tenkawa | beardy: thanks |
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| 11:45.47 | beardy | Tenkawa: You're welcome. |
| 11:45.49 | bolt | zhxk: huh? my letters seem correct there. i am, however, missing a chinese font, as you say. no use for one, really |
| 11:45.58 | Agiofws | hey i heard somewhere that "swine flu" is spreading via facebook and windows 7 is that true ? is that true ? i think i saw that article on slashdot ... |
| 11:46.51 | amphi | it was on the register or the inqirer, I forget - not the most original joke |
| 11:47.38 | yang | abrotman: magically fixed |
| 11:47.40 | abrotman | Agiofws: knock it off |
| 11:48.01 | Tenkawa | later all.. thanks again.. thats useful info for the ssd |
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| 11:48.34 | zhxk | bolt:norwegian characters looks beauty, so you are norwegian? |
| 11:48.40 | abrotman | zhxk: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 11:49.23 | jpinx-eeepc | I have a problem after a reboot. No wifi and top showing modprobe hitting the cpu for 4% and a system thatÅ almost stalled. Syslog shows the wifi card inserted but no more, and ifconfig -a shows just lo and irda0. Help please? |
| 11:49.30 | zhxk | abrotman:I am talk about debian font issues with bolt |
| 11:49.58 | abrotman | i'm not sure he cares? |
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| 11:50.50 | jpinx-eeepc | my cpu usage is also spiking lots:( |
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| 11:51.30 | zhxk | abrotman: if he don't care about it, he wan't that font |
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| 11:52.12 | zhxk | abrotman: i have my own debian questions, may i ask you? |
| 11:52.31 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 11:52.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:53.22 | abrotman | i can't wait ... |
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| 11:53.45 | phet | hello, does anyone have a list of good and fast europe reps? |
| 11:54.02 | MrWax | how to ignore the screen starting msg when you start screen? |
| 11:54.11 | _coredump_ | hi there, how can i tell the debian installer to use a usb thumdrive as installation cdrom? |
| 11:54.45 | _coredump_ | my cdrom/dvd is broken and my nic wont be detected with kernel .26, so i cant use netinst |
| 11:54.57 | abrotman | !tell phet about apt-spy |
| 11:55.07 | abrotman | !tell _coredump_ about usb install |
| 11:55.28 | _coredump_ | phet, try ftp.rwth-aachen.de mirror its pretty fast |
| 11:55.29 | phet | thanks! |
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| 11:55.44 | themill | _coredump_: the netinst doesn't actually require that you don't have a working network connection to install the basic system |
| 11:55.49 | Juanjo | hey guys, is there any GUI package installer/searcher/updater appart from the console aptitude? as in Ubuntu with "Synaptic" |
| 11:55.56 | abrotman | MrWax: the one that tells you about GNU screen ? look in the screenrc file |
| 11:56.00 | rvsjoen | synaptic |
| 11:56.04 | themill | Juanjo: remarkably, it's called synaptic |
| 11:56.05 | abrotman | Juanjo: synaptic |
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| 11:56.13 | phet | my actual german rep is worling kike 15KB/s |
| 11:56.29 | Juanjo | guys I am testing the Live but I don't find it |
| 11:56.39 | themill | !installit |
| 11:56.39 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 11:56.39 | Tenkawa | notes this new libc6 version really creates problems for hosted vms |
| 11:56.42 | Tenkawa | heheheh |
| 11:56.51 | Tenkawa | themill: haaahaah |
| 11:56.52 | MrWax | abrotman: its empty now |
| 11:57.11 | Tenkawa | thats a pretty good one whoever put that one in the dpkg bot |
| 11:57.18 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 11:57.18 | _coredump_ | themill, so a basic netinst could be enough to setup .29 kernel package from sid to a basic lenny/squeeze? |
| 11:57.21 | jetscreamer | there's some others |
| 11:57.26 | osfd | Hi, what should I use to have a nice boot screen instead of those awfull lines please ?? |
| 11:57.36 | jetscreamer | o nm |
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| 11:57.41 | abrotman | phet: so use apt-spy to find another |
| 11:57.47 | abrotman | MrWax: mine isn't .. what did you do to it? |
| 11:57.51 | jpinx-eeepc | just done another reboot and it seems to be quiet till I log in, then top shows modprobe spiking at 7%, still no wifi and an almost stalled os |
| 11:58.05 | zhxk | abrotman: i can't install in debian pidgin:http://w3.wikifortio.com/node-fs/download/fd9d02e821c2229f15eb675f03d07d6e/screen.JPG |
| 11:58.16 | MrWax | abrotman: i emptied it, but i don't want to have that start warning msg |
| 11:58.21 | abrotman | zhxk: invalid URL |
| 11:58.23 | nkuttler | osfd: um, apt-cache search boot splash... but it's just a waste of time |
| 11:58.35 | Juanjo | is synaptic option? |
| 11:58.36 | abrotman | MrWax: that's your fault .. you should have read the file, it was pretty obvious |
| 11:58.36 | Tenkawa | well I think a ssd "upgrade" is approaching soon for my netbook |
| 11:58.38 | Juanjo | *optional |
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| 11:58.56 | Tenkawa | cringes at taking this machine apart (rather putting it back together heheeh) |
| 11:58.59 | Juanjo | I mean isn't it coming in the distro instalation? |
| 11:59.02 | themill | _coredump_: the netinst won't have the .29 kernel. But you can complete the install and then bring in that kernel on a usb stick later if you want. BTW are you sure that the .29 kernel will solve that problem? |
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| 11:59.03 | zhxk | abrotman: i can't install in debian pidgin:http://www.wikifortio.com/813627/screen.JPG |
| 11:59.09 | SparFux | Hello all. How can I reinstall a package and reinstall or even overwrite the configuration files of it to have a clean install? |
| 11:59.29 | themill | Juanjo: there are thousands of packages that aren't installed by default. Synaptic is one of them. |
| 11:59.29 | Tenkawa | SparFux: few different ways to do it |
| 11:59.40 | Tenkawa | SparFux: dpkg-reconfigure package |
| 11:59.59 | osfd | nkuttler: I do agree |
| 12:00.01 | Tenkawa | you can use apt-get options to completely remove/reinstall too |
| 12:00.01 | abrotman | zhxk: you've messed up your sources.list apparently .. use paste.debian.net |
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| 12:00.08 | jpinx-eeepc | nothing obvious in dmesg or syslog |
| 12:00.09 | abrotman | !zg |
| 12:00.11 | abrotman | erm |
| 12:00.12 | osfd | nkuttler: but still, this is nice |
| 12:00.13 | abrotman | !zh |
| 12:00.13 | dpkg | i heard cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 12:00.20 | Tenkawa | notes someone should verify/reject this idea |
| 12:00.22 | Juanjo | themill, and apart from synaptic, which ones do you think are important and I shoul have? (I am coming from Ubuntu where the most important ones where automatically installed) |
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| 12:00.35 | Tenkawa | doesnt want to give the wrong "correct" method |
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| 12:01.03 | abrotman | Juanjo: you're on a liveCD aren't you? |
| 12:01.03 | jetscreamer | !confmiss |
| 12:01.03 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 12:01.10 | _coredump_ | themill, yes every kernel since .27 supports my nic |
| 12:01.11 | zhxk | abrotman:what should i do with this problem?http://www.wikifortio.com/813627/screen.JPG |
| 12:01.23 | abrotman | zhxk: you've messed up your sources.list apparently .. use paste.debian.net |
| 12:01.24 | themill | _coredump_: ok. Just checking it wasn't a firmware issue instead. |
| 12:01.33 | Tenkawa | ahh crap |
| 12:01.36 | themill | Juanjo: what I use and what you use are going to be different. If you need something, install it. |
| 12:01.39 | bolt | sigh |
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| 12:01.48 | Tenkawa | my netbook wont take anything bigger than a 1.8" drive |
| 12:01.49 | Tenkawa | darnit |
| 12:01.54 | zhxk | abrotman:i'vce messed up my sources.list? |
| 12:02.11 | abrotman | zhxk: i've said that twice now .. use paste.debian.net .. put your sources.list on that pastesite |
| 12:02.41 | Tenkawa | oh.. nm it is |
| 12:02.45 | Tenkawa | bahhhaahaaha |
| 12:02.47 | zhxk | abrotman:i comprehend now, i will do it right away |
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| 12:06.20 | trupheenix | i have set up my printer on foomatic. but i am unable to print documents using open office. help please. |
| 12:06.26 | zhxk | abrotman:here is the list:paste.debian.net/34632 |
| 12:06.46 | Juanjo | More questions guys, I beg your patience but as I said I am just a Ubuntu user that is trying Debian: Is it possible to install Debian from the Live CDs? |
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| 12:07.15 | jpinx-eeepc | I've removed all autostart stuff and rebooted again, and the problem seems to be wicd |
| 12:07.29 | abrotman | zhxk: you need a regular mirror like "deb http://ftp.cse.yzu.edu.tw/debian lenny main" |
| 12:07.31 | jpinx-eeepc | can anyone point me to connecting my wifi manually? |
| 12:07.34 | abrotman | uhm |
| 12:07.42 | abrotman | zhxk: ignore that one |
| 12:07.57 | abrotman | zhxk: you need a regular mirror like "deb http://debian.nctu.edu.tw/debian lenny main" ... better |
| 12:08.09 | ringo999 | hi, i build my own kernel and now i tried to install it with dpkg -i "kernel". However, when I restart my system is still at 2.6.26 instead of 27. Why could that be? I'm using lilo... |
| 12:08.19 | anodesni | Hi, I added multimedia repositories to Debian lenny, after updating the update manager asked to do a smart upgrade, which I did. However, I prefer to keep the old packages. Can I downgrade the packages and don't install updates from multimedia repository? |
| 12:08.40 | abrotman | zhxk: or "deb http://www.anheng.com.cn/debian lenny main" if you want one in your country |
| 12:09.08 | trupheenix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:11.30 | zhxk | abrotman:after fiil that two lines in, issue apt-get update,don't i? |
| 12:11.56 | abrotman | you only needed one of them .. but you should be using aptitude .. so `aptitude update ; aptitude install pidgin` |
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| 12:12.31 | Juanjo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:12.40 | abrotman | dont' think it is |
| 12:13.13 | zhxk | abrotman:can i use apt-get install pidgin instead? |
| 12:13.26 | zhxk | abrotman:i used to apt-get |
| 12:13.34 | abrotman | you should get used to aptitude |
| 12:14.01 | abrotman | you can use whatever you want, but aptitude is recommended |
| 12:15.02 | blindy | why is rccp telling me i need gnome and 100's of over dependancies? I thought it was CLI? |
| 12:15.24 | abrotman | blindy: is it a Recommends? |
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| 12:15.37 | blindy | no, it says it will be installed |
| 12:15.58 | moodhugs | hi, how can i completely disable all sound modules from being loaded at bootup? |
| 12:16.05 | abrotman | blindy: you ignored what i said |
| 12:16.15 | Juanjo | Last question, does Debian has a kinf of updater that is always looking for new software update as Ubuntu has? |
| 12:16.20 | zhxk | abrotman:how to query for a pakage to pidgin and down and install it? |
| 12:16.35 | abrotman | blindy: dctc is a depends, but dctc recommends dcgui .. install rccp without recommends |
| 12:16.41 | abrotman | !search |
| 12:16.41 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 12:17.06 | abrotman | Juanjo: there is update-manager for gnome .. for whatever that's worth |
| 12:17.18 | zhxk | abrotman:how to query for a pakage to pidgin and down and install it with aptitude? |
| 12:17.25 | abrotman | !search |
| 12:17.25 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 12:18.00 | abrotman | zhxk: you just aptitude search pidgin or aptitude install pidgin .. aptitude has a manual |
| 12:18.02 | Cyorxamp | Lo can I use "deb http://user:pass@apt.mysite.com/ stable contrib non-free" on my own repo if I put directory protection on it? It's just it'll have things I've had to buy on it. |
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| 12:18.53 | themill | Cyorxamp: man sources.list says yes. You might like "lenny" rather than "stable" though. |
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| 12:19.18 | Cyorxamp | themill, I'm not restricting this repo to just debian, it's just an 'apt' repository |
| 12:19.21 | zhxk | abrotman:i've issue the aptitude install command other than just aptitude command |
| 12:19.32 | blindy | abrotman: how do i install without recommend? |
| 12:19.35 | abrotman | zhxk: that doesn't make sense |
| 12:19.37 | abrotman | blindy: man aptitude |
| 12:19.46 | Juanjo | abrotman, but what about Debian core? and other distro stuff? |
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| 12:20.15 | themill | Cyorxamp: yeah, but will your packages in there work with squeeze when it is released? |
| 12:20.30 | Cyorxamp | themill, I'm converting all my linux games like Alpha Centauri, Postal 2, Unreal Tournament into .deb packages and popping them on there for easy installing :P |
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| 12:20.51 | zhxk | abrortman:is there any diffrence between apt-get and aptitude? i often read infomation about apt-get install instead of aptitude |
| 12:20.51 | themill | Cyorxamp: I get that. Will your packages work with squeeze when it is released? |
| 12:20.53 | Cyorxamp | themill, yeah I recon so... it's mostly third party freeware and other stuff |
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| 12:21.17 | themill | Cyorxamp: libc, perl, python stuff changes and makes that hard... Versioning your repo is highly recommended. |
| 12:21.20 | AcTiVaTe | Just tried to install and update apt-file. Getting http://debian.intergenia.de/debian-security/dists/lenny/updates/Contents.gz : 404 When checking the URL the named file does indeed not exist. Do I just have a wrong mirror? |
| 12:21.44 | Cyorxamp | themill, don't want the hassle sorry |
| 12:21.57 | abrotman | Juanjo: uhm .. what about it? |
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| 12:22.07 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 12:22.07 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 12:22.38 | Juanjo | abrotman, I mean, is therey any auto-updater for that? In Ubuntu whenever a patch is ready for the kernel or whatever automaticale lets you knwo to donwload an install |
| 12:22.47 | themill | Cyorxamp: "ln -s stable lenny ; sed -i s/stable/lenny" doesn't sound like a lot of hassle. |
| 12:22.54 | abrotman | Juanjo: the update-manager in gnome does that |
| 12:23.01 | themill | Cyorxamp: See also http://blogs.cae.tntech.edu/mwr/2007/05/28/my-own-private-debian-repository/ for a way of using ssh rather than http for the connection. |
| 12:23.02 | abrotman | Juanjo: it's the same crappy tool ubuntu uses |
| 12:23.07 | abrotman | !es |
| 12:23.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:23.16 | Cyorxamp | themill, enough |
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| 12:24.09 | themill | looks bemused |
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| 12:24.41 | abrotman | AcTiVaTe: i think that's known |
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| 12:25.20 | zhxk | abrotma:can i do cross linux from scratch work on debian system? does it have crossbuildchains avilable to arm system? |
| 12:26.01 | zhxk | !why apt-get |
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| 12:26.17 | trupheenix | zhxk: u can do cross linux from scratch on ANY system |
| 12:26.26 | trupheenix | zhxk: not just debian. |
| 12:26.42 | trupheenix | zhxk: u need to be able to build a rootfs |
| 12:26.49 | AcTiVaTe | abrotman: Oh ok, just saw the factoid and thought I'd try it out. |
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| 12:27.05 | trupheenix | zhxk: consisting of a set of utilities which make up linux |
| 12:27.14 | trupheenix | zhxk: that's the aim of CLFS |
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| 12:27.48 | unix_luser | hello. i'm currently tracking unstable. Is there ever a point in time later on, where i can just track testing instead? |
| 12:27.56 | abrotman | now? |
| 12:28.09 | unix_luser | ie, request a sort of 'freeze' on the system, until packages from testing reach/or exceed versions from sid |
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| 12:28.10 | zhxk | !ask |
| 12:28.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:28.26 | unix_luser | duly noted, if directed at me |
| 12:28.32 | unix_luser | though i doubt it's applicable |
| 12:28.37 | abrotman | unix_luser: no, my comment was .. his was not |
| 12:28.56 | abrotman | unix_luser: if you switch to testing ... you'll just have to wait til newer stuff starts entering testing |
| 12:29.00 | enouf | unix_luser: in about a year or so |
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| 12:29.26 | jpinx-eeepc | when I plug in my wifi pcmcia card dmesg just says cardbus inserted - anyone know how to make it work. it was fine till last night |
| 12:29.29 | abrotman | unix_luser: but you can certainly do that switchnow |
| 12:29.32 | themill | should it ever enter testing... |
| 12:29.32 | abrotman | switch now |
| 12:29.47 | zhxk | trupheenix:can i aptitude install crosstoolchain in debian system? |
| 12:30.13 | E-bola | wonders if anybody runs debian virtualised under Hyper-V |
| 12:30.48 | zhxk | trupheenix:can i "aptitude install crosstoolchain" in debian system? |
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| 12:31.07 | unix_luser | abrotman: is there ever a case where testing has the same version packages as sid? |
| 12:31.10 | zhxk | abrotman:can i issue "aptitude install crosstoolchain" in debian system? |
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| 12:31.24 | abrotman | unix_luser: plenty of times .. lots of packages |
| 12:31.30 | unix_luser | something that apt-* can print? |
| 12:31.30 | abrotman | zhxk: i have no idea what you're trying to do |
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| 12:31.51 | thrashold | The power went off during apt-get upgrade. And now I get: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 2 package `libefreet-0.5.0.050a': value for `status' field not allowed in this context |
| 12:31.51 | abrotman | unix_luser: for instance .. packages.debian.org/bash |
| 12:31.52 | trupheenix | zhxk: dude there is nothing like a crosstoolchain package |
| 12:31.56 | zhxk | abroatman:i wan't a ready toolchain for arm |
| 12:31.57 | thrashold | Can anyone give any ideas? |
| 12:31.58 | jpinx-eeepc | ifconfig -a still only reporrts lo - nothing wifi related |
| 12:32.01 | abrotman | !zh |
| 12:32.01 | dpkg | cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 12:32.02 | unix_luser | because i notice that uname reports a testing/sid environment |
| 12:32.13 | AcTiVaTe | I am running a Lenny server with Exim. Exim needs /etc/aliases. This week I had problems with Exim because the /etc/aliases file had user/group root and permissions 0600. I then changed it to 0660 and changed the group to Debian-exim. But today I noticed the mail not working again. |
| 12:32.16 | abrotman | unix_luser: yep, it will say that until squeeze gets closer to release |
| 12:32.45 | trupheenix | zhxk: there are different toolchains available. scratchbox is readily available on the repositories. |
| 12:32.45 | AcTiVaTe | What could be responsible for the owner/permission change? |
| 12:33.09 | trupheenix | zhxk: otherwise u may have to build your own |
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| 12:33.42 | abrotman | !tell trupheenix about u |
| 12:34.01 | abrotman | AcTiVaTe: did the exim package get an update? |
| 12:34.18 | abrotman | AcTiVaTe: have you restarted exim, either by initscript or rebooting, since then? |
| 12:34.38 | zhxk | abroatman:i have seen emdebian what's it/ |
| 12:34.40 | zhxk | abroatman:i have seen emdebian what's it? |
| 12:35.00 | trupheenix | zhxk: emdebian isn't exactly a toolchain. |
| 12:35.07 | bolt | !emdebian |
| 12:35.07 | dpkg | hmm... emdebian is a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distribution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
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| 12:35.39 | AcTiVaTe | abrotman: Yes, and yes by restarting. |
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| 12:35.50 | Juanjo | I want to install Debian, I want o burn a CD, but in the download web site I just found big CDs..(around 6 or 7 isos) or small CDs that you will be needing net to complet the instal (180MB), isn't there a regular 650Mb CD iso? |
| 12:35.56 | abrotman | AcTiVaTe: change it again, restart .. see if it changes again |
| 12:35.59 | abrotman | Juanjo: use the netinst |
| 12:36.25 | Juanjo | abrotman, I don't know even if the laptop where I am going to install the distro will be the wifi card detected so.. |
| 12:36.26 | bolt | Juanjo: or just the first cd. has a couple more tools than netinst, if you don't have a network available |
| 12:36.30 | twinkie_addict | yeh netinst is the best way to go |
| 12:36.43 | Juanjo | bolt, ah ok, so the 1st iso is stand alone right? |
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| 12:37.09 | bolt | Juanjo: the first one is netinst and a couple more of the most used packages, methinks |
| 12:37.16 | abrotman | Juanjo: just plug your laptop into the network |
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| 12:37.26 | abrotman | your wifi card will work just the same with the netinst or CD1 |
| 12:37.32 | thrashold | http://pastebin.com/m21417027 What should I do? My system can't boot. |
| 12:37.44 | unix_luser | abrotman: there's nothing wrong with tracking sid permanently, is there? |
| 12:38.09 | abrotman | unix_luser: depends on the person and the purpose of the machine |
| 12:38.21 | Juanjo | ah ok |
| 12:38.22 | unix_luser | ie, i can easily roll-back after a disastrous package upgrade |
| 12:38.24 | johndoe | whats the best popup blocker extension for firefox? |
| 12:38.25 | Juanjo | thanks guys |
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| 12:38.43 | zhxk | abrotman: thank you very much for your kindness! |
| 12:38.44 | abrotman | unix_luser: if yu're really that concerned about system stability/usability, do not use unstable |
| 12:38.46 | unix_luser | abrotman: i'm only afraid of show-stoppers that i can't address |
| 12:39.02 | thrashold | What's wrong with status 'install ok installed'? |
| 12:39.12 | Juanjo | I guess that I should take this one in order to go with XFCE right? debian-501-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso |
| 12:39.19 | blindy | anybody know a direct connect client for debian that doesnt hash? |
| 12:39.24 | AcTiVaTe | abrotman: It's not on restarting Exim atleast. Will check log files to see if time of change matches a cronjob perhaps |
| 12:39.28 | unix_luser | abrotman: well, stability and usability aren't complimentary :) |
| 12:39.33 | unix_luser | in my case, of course |
| 12:39.48 | Juanjo | oh no sorry, I think is debian-501-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:39.48 | bolt | blindy: hashing is an integral part of dc++ these days |
| 12:39.53 | unix_luser | abrotman: but thanks. i'll stick with sid for the time being |
| 12:40.15 | bolt | blindy: other than that it takes a little time at first, i see no reason why you wouldn't want it ..? |
| 12:40.22 | blindy | bolt, i dont need it, this is for lan |
| 12:40.29 | abrotman | unix_luser: if your system is unstable, it's not usable? |
| 12:40.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | could someone tell me whats wrong with the syntax of `shutdown -r -t 5` ? by my reading of the manual this should work |
| 12:40.38 | nkuttler | thrashold: um, what did you do? |
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| 12:40.50 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: is there an error? |
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| 12:41.01 | unix_luser | abrotman: no, stability would mean older packages with next-to-no-support for my hardware.. rendering them uselss |
| 12:41.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman, it prints the usage information |
| 12:41.15 | thrashold | nkuttler: The power went off during apt-get upgrade |
| 12:41.28 | abrotman | unix_luser: you don't know that .. which hardware requires a .27+ ? |
| 12:42.09 | justin | Kamping_Kaiser: what do you think the -t option does? |
| 12:42.39 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: you want it to wait five seconds before rebooting? |
| 12:42.39 | nkuttler | thrashold: what filesystem is /var/ on? |
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| 12:42.48 | thrashold | nkuttler: ext2 |
| 12:43.20 | nkuttler | thrashold: that's not good. no backups? |
| 12:43.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman, 50 actually, but any value prints the same usage info |
| 12:43.30 | unix_luser | abrotman: several usb devices i recently purchased, and an updated drm for accel on r600/700 ati gfx cards |
| 12:43.34 | thrashold | Nope. And /var/lib/dpkg/available-old was broken |
| 12:43.39 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: now answer justin .. i think you're using the -t when you mean to use something else |
| 12:43.47 | abrotman | unix_luser: way to be vague .. have fun |
| 12:43.53 | unix_luser | abrotman: and i kinda do know they're not supported (mailing lists and what not) |
| 12:43.56 | qomo | Kamping_Kaiser: looks like the program and manpage are out of sync. check the source |
| 12:44.00 | unix_luser | abrotman: are you trying to bust my chops? |
| 12:44.10 | unix_luser | i've already made my decision re: sid. cheers |
| 12:44.18 | abrotman | right .. so why ask ... |
| 12:44.33 | unix_luser | scroll up. |
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| 12:44.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | justin, ... oh, didnt notice your question |
| 12:44.40 | abrotman | who cares if you can have debian/stable with a .29 kernel .. |
| 12:44.43 | nkuttler | thrashold: no idea how to fix that.. pastebin your /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 12:45.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | justin,I think it does this: "-t secs: delay between warning and kill signal. |
| 12:45.19 | unix_luser | who cares regarding what? |
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| 12:45.54 | unix_luser | let it go already |
| 12:45.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | qomo, :\ Only if i have to ;) |
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| 12:46.12 | justin | Kamping_Kaiser: the man page is just fine |
| 12:46.22 | abrotman | i did .. i told you to have fun .. you continued |
| 12:46.22 | justin | Kamping_Kaiser: /sbin/shutdown [-t sec] [-arkhncfFHP] time [warning-message] |
| 12:46.29 | justin | Kamping_Kaiser: which options are required. which options did you specify. |
| 12:46.32 | nkuttler | thrashold: btw, did you fsck? |
| 12:46.42 | thrashold | nkuttler: Yes. |
| 12:46.56 | unix_luser | way to play innocent |
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| 12:47.03 | nkuttler | thrashold: maybe you can manually fix the file... use ext3 next time |
| 12:47.12 | trupheenix | can anyone help me with setting up my printer using foomatic on Debian Lenny? foomatic detects the printer. but i cannot seem to print any test page. :( |
| 12:48.05 | qomo | Kamping_Kaiser: i didn't see that the time argument is mandatory. try shutdown -t 5 -r now |
| 12:48.10 | zhxk | abrotman:where stores the ip information? |
| 12:48.12 | thrashold | http://milko.3mhz.net/available.txt |
| 12:48.25 | abrotman | zhxk: dhcp or static? |
| 12:48.35 | nkuttler | thrashold: actually, see http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/04/01/damaged-varlibdpkgavailable/ |
| 12:48.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | qomo, it isnt, but I'd like to warn before rebooting |
| 12:48.44 | trupheenix | is looking for a foomatic genius |
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| 12:48.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | justin, I ran it like this `shutdown -r -t 5` |
| 12:49.02 | zhxk | abrotman:it's originally dhcp, i want to fix it to a sertain one |
| 12:49.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | justin, as it looks that the warning message is optional |
| 12:49.11 | justin | Kamping_Kaiser: no, FFS the TIME is required |
| 12:49.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | justin, and 5 isnt a time? |
| 12:49.31 | justin | Kamping_Kaiser: again, what do you think the -t option does(and pasting from the man page doesn't count) |
| 12:49.34 | JyZyXEL | can date do time zone conversions? |
| 12:49.41 | abrotman | zhxk: man 5 interfaces |
| 12:49.47 | nkuttler | thrashold: and /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
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| 12:49.56 | zhxk | abrotman:it's originally dhcp, i want to fix it to a certain one so that it won't change after reboot |
| 12:50.00 | abrotman | zhxk: man 5 interfaces |
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| 12:50.30 | thrashold | Thank you. :) Deleting the file helped me. :) |
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| 12:50.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | justin, sets the delay between warning of the system runlevel change and the system changing its runlevel |
| 12:51.07 | justin | Kamping_Kaiser: that is absolutely not what the -t option does |
| 12:51.36 | sepult | how do you set a linebreak at say position 80 on outputting something on the commandline ? |
| 12:51.42 | qomo | Kamping_Kaiser: no, read the manpage. -t is about sending signals to programs, not about sending messages to terminals |
| 12:52.06 | qomo | Kamping_Kaiser: and read the output of shutdown --help note the line marked ** |
| 12:52.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | qomo, currently (re)reading the man page |
| 12:53.30 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone able to help out with getting my wifi card reconfig'd ? |
| 12:53.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | justin, aah, I see. |
| 12:53.36 | abrotman | firmware! |
| 12:53.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | so realistically i probably dont need -t at all. |
| 12:53.58 | justin | Kamping_Kaiser: for future reference I would 'man man' and read what the differently formatted options mean |
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| 12:54.16 | justin | [-t foo] means something completely different from -t foo |
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| 12:54.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | nod. should probably re-read a lot of man pages *g* |
| 12:55.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks for the help all, back in 20 |
| 12:55.28 | abrotman | though the man page might want to state what -t does'nt do .. but whatever |
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| 13:05.56 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:05.56 | dpkg | * nohelphere wonders whats in /etc/apt |
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| 13:11.48 | herakles | Hi, I'm trying to remove nagios3-common package but I get this error: /var/lib/dpkg/info/nagios3-common.prerm: line 23: syntax error near unexpected token `fi' Here is the content of the file: http://pastebin.ca/1406065 |
| 13:12.02 | jpinx-eeepc | why am I getting Error: no display specified when I call a browser over ssh -x ? |
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| 13:12.18 | valdyn | sepult: COLUMNS=80 |
| 13:13.07 | jelly | herakles: there's no "; then" after if [ -f $apacheconf ] in line 7 |
| 13:13.13 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: because its -X ? |
| 13:13.31 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.36 | jelly | herakles: whoever made that package deserves to be ridiculed a bit |
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| 13:13.59 | herakles | jelly, I've tried that, and same error |
| 13:14.02 | sepult | valdyn: i don't want to change the global one, or the tty propertys |
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| 13:14.22 | jelly | herakles: tried fixing the script? |
| 13:14.25 | sepult | valdyn: i used script, and it did fine |
| 13:14.36 | herakles | jelly, Added ; and of the if line |
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| 13:14.45 | jelly | herakles: and "then"? |
| 13:14.59 | herakles | jelly, Tried to remove again and get same error |
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| 13:15.10 | valdyn | herakles: you miss invoke-rc.d maybe |
| 13:15.20 | jelly | herakles: it should be something like "if [ -f $apacheconf ]; then" |
| 13:15.31 | sepult | valdyn: but other than that if you know roff, and has a recommendation how to force line break of output captured from the stdout, i'm listening |
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| 13:16.14 | herakles | jelly, Thank you so much. It worked |
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| 13:16.30 | jelly | herakles: which debian release are you using? |
| 13:16.39 | herakles | jelly, Lenny |
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| 13:17.01 | jelly | herakles: was that nagios3 package from lenny or somewhere else? |
| 13:17.17 | herakles | jelly, Yes, it's official nagios3 package |
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| 13:17.49 | jelly | herakles: tell them their packaging QA isn't good |
| 13:18.13 | herakles | jelly, Ok, thank you |
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| 13:18.22 | qomo | sepult: col -b | unexpand | break-at 80 where break-at is a very simple C program |
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| 13:20.15 | justin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:21.37 | freebse | hi how to add a remote user to access x over ssh -x |
| 13:21.53 | valdyn | freebse: its ssh -X |
| 13:21.53 | freebse | I know this is stupid on a server still |
| 13:22.09 | valdyn | !sshx |
| 13:22.09 | dpkg | from memory, sshx is You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
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| 13:30.18 | unix_luser | how do i make apt-zip fetch packages pending installation, rather than just for updates |
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| 13:41.10 | anddam | hello |
| 13:41.23 | anddam | when using start-stop-daemon has "command" to be executable? |
| 13:41.43 | anddam | I mean with +x bit set |
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| 13:41.47 | kefalo | yes |
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| 13:41.56 | kefalo | anddam yes it shoult have x permissions |
| 13:42.56 | anddam | I just installed lenny's xavante package and in init.d/xavante start_xavante function runs start-stop-daemon with /etc/xavante/xavante_start.lua but that file is 644 rather than 755 |
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| 13:43.16 | anddam | shouldn't the package come ready-to-run? |
| 13:43.28 | kefalo | anddam: chmod 755 xavante |
| 13:43.47 | abrotman | not necessarily .. |
| 13:43.50 | anddam | kefalo: thanks but my question was about this being normal or not |
| 13:43.54 | abrotman | anddam: does the init scirpt fail? and what's the error? |
| 13:44.01 | kefalo | don't really know... but its not hard to put x permission |
| 13:44.48 | abrotman | it might not be needed |
| 13:44.56 | anddam | kefalo: but I hadn't to come on IRC in order to learn about chmod... |
| 13:45.08 | anddam | abrotman: no output and exit status is 0 |
| 13:45.19 | anddam | abrotman: the actual webserver doesn't start |
| 13:45.25 | anddam | abrotman: oh I'm using invoke-rc.d |
| 13:45.38 | abrotman | anddam: did you check to make sure there's not another reason? |
| 13:45.38 | Thneed | does anyone here know where to find fltk-config? I think it is within fltk source package, but I cannot seem to find it on Debian testing's repos, only lib-fltk and stuff like that |
| 13:45.51 | ootput_ | anddam: this channel assumes the worst in people.. get used to it ;) |
| 13:46.00 | zamba | i have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf, so whenever i launch X everything is auto-probed.. how can i write back the auto-probed values to the xorg.conf? |
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| 13:46.04 | anddam | abrotman: not sure where I should look at |
| 13:46.26 | zamba | i have to do this because i'm using a vga splitter to also send the signal to a projector.. and X is not able to detect the monitor through this splitter |
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| 13:48.30 | anddam | abrotman: $ sudo start-stop-daemon --start -b --quiet -m -p /var/run/xavante.pid -c www-data:www-data --exec /usr/bin/lua5.1 -- /etc/xavante/xavante_start.lua; echo $? |
| 13:48.30 | anddam | 1 |
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| 13:49.45 | anddam | abrotman: this seems to be "If --oknodo was not specified and nothing was done, 1 is returned." case |
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| 13:50.44 | anddam | abrotman: I was wrong the s-s-d is actually running /usr/bin/lua5.1 |
| 13:50.56 | anddam | I just figured it |
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| 13:54.54 | Noble | broken sound. Believe apt-get upgrade did it. Suggestions? |
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| 13:57.00 | epsilon | install windows |
| 13:57.25 | Noble | haha |
| 13:57.30 | Noble | figured it out |
| 13:57.45 | Noble | purged alsa and installed again |
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| 14:00.02 | jpinx | dpkg-reconfigure alsa |
| 14:00.15 | jpinx | damn this slow connection :( |
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| 14:02.16 | phcoder | Hello all. How can I install debian on cd-less laptop onto already existing luks+lvm formatting one of lvm partitions to btrfs? |
| 14:02.58 | teratoma | while underwater |
| 14:02.59 | petemc | phcoder: usb or pxe for the former, no idea about the latter |
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| 14:04.11 | phcoder | Well this part I somewhat already figured out: I put debian kernel, initrd and iso to my non-luks partition and booted kernel+initrd with grub |
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| 14:04.32 | phcoder | The problem is that debian proposes to do encrypted partition but only erasing it |
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| 14:04.37 | AcTiVaTe | Is there anything like msec for mandriva that runs periodically and changes ownership and permissions on files if changed ? I checked and it was not Exim that was changing permissions on /etc/aliases. |
| 14:04.49 | dv_ | how long does it usually take for a bunch of packages to go from unstable to testing? |
| 14:04.55 | phcoder | AcTivate: crond |
| 14:05.01 | justin | phcoder: you should be able to go to tty2 and manually activate the luks partition |
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| 14:05.19 | lopz | mmm por que aveces me re-direcciona a un canal ##overflow ? |
| 14:05.24 | Thneed | hehe |
| 14:05.34 | lopz | ups |
| 14:05.37 | lopz | sorry |
| 14:05.47 | lopz | I am confused channel xD |
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| 14:06.32 | phcoder | I tried but don't know how to install packages from there (no dpkg, no aptitude no apt-get). Now I think that it shouldn't be necessary since probably corresponding modules are already here unlike ubuntu |
| 14:07.01 | justin | phcoder: they probably are, yes |
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| 14:07.10 | phcoder | btrfs too? |
| 14:07.23 | justin | phcoder: find / | grep btrfs ? |
| 14:07.31 | justin | is there even a udeb for btrfs? |
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| 14:07.45 | phcoder | There is a .deb for btrfstools |
| 14:08.12 | justin | phcoder: maybe the debain from scratch cd copied onto a usb drive is what you want? |
| 14:08.21 | phcoder | I thought of extracting btrfstools to my non-luks partition |
| 14:08.36 | justin | or even just a normal debian-live cd copied to usb |
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| 14:09.34 | phcoder | Thanks. I'll retry with manual btrfstool extraction |
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| 14:10.49 | Gun_Smoke | I am amazed this laptop and heat up 76F under load.. |
| 14:11.07 | Gun_Smoke | and=can dunno what happened there. |
| 14:11.08 | AcTiVaTe | phcoder: Nothing in cron that chmod's anything in /etc Guess I'll need to look further |
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| 14:12.02 | phcoder | AcTiVaTe: I meant that you can do such thing with cornd |
| 14:12.08 | phcoder | *crond |
| 14:13.21 | Thneed | what directory should one download and install fltk-source? /home or /etc? |
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| 14:14.10 | AcTiVaTe | phcoder: Yeah, I know. The thing is I am running Exim on a system I updated from etch -> lenny about a week ago. I ran into problems when peeps did not receive mails. Turned out /etc/aliases became 0600 and Exim got perms denied. So I changed it to 0644 and this morning got a call again :S |
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| 14:16.02 | AcTiVaTe | phcoder: Erm, what I meant was. I changed the file to 0644 and all was good. That was a few days ago. And this morning it was changed back again. |
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| 14:19.04 | phcoder | AcTiVaTe: you have to find the source of problem |
| 14:19.42 | justin | Thneed: neither. |
| 14:19.46 | justin | !wayttd Thneed |
| 14:19.46 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Thneed? |
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| 14:20.00 | ronr | I'm looking for an app to easily and quickly create clickable prototypes-like wireframes of websites with, any tools on debian you'd suggest? |
| 14:20.13 | thnee | Thneed: gotta change that nick man |
| 14:20.19 | Thneed | I am trying to configure my audio card firmware, but it says I need fltk-config |
| 14:20.22 | thnee | cant go on like this =( |
| 14:20.28 | Thneed | thnee: ? |
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| 14:20.40 | thnee | Thneed: i'm hilited all the time |
| 14:21.07 | thnee | Thneed: where did you get the nick from? |
| 14:21.15 | Thneed | the lorax |
| 14:21.20 | thnee | the what? |
| 14:21.22 | AcTiVaTe | phcoder: lol :P Thx |
| 14:21.33 | R1ck | a server of ours has had a rootkit installed.. whats the best way to find out how it could have been infected? |
| 14:21.36 | phcoder | Thneed: sudo aptitude install libfltk-dev |
| 14:22.04 | thnee | Enamored by these gorgeous trees, the Once-ler chops one down and uses its foliage to knit a "Thneed," an odd-looking but versatile garment that he insists "everyone needs." |
| 14:22.05 | phcoder | AcTiVaTe: I mean as long as permissions keep changing it will be coming back again |
| 14:22.13 | abrotman | anddam: got it all working ? |
| 14:22.14 | thnee | fantastic! |
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| 14:22.23 | anddam | abrotman: yep |
| 14:22.36 | phcoder | AcTiVaTe: Try looking the ctime it may give a hint. You can also try setting acl |
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| 14:23.05 | anddam | abrotman: set RUN_XAVANTE=1 into /etc/defaults/xavante, default was empty |
| 14:23.10 | AcTiVaTe | phcoder: Yeah, made a cron now to notify me on change |
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| 14:23.22 | abrotman | anddam: okeedokee |
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| 14:23.49 | phcoder | R1ck: no general hint since rootkits are different but try looking at ownership of corresponding files |
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| 14:24.20 | Daremonai | where is the output of: "smartctl --test=long" ? |
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| 14:24.33 | phcoder | Wish me luck with my install |
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| 14:25.17 | Thneed | good luck |
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| 14:27.48 | unomi | hi |
| 14:27.59 | unomi | I am trying to install debian 5.01 from a usb stick |
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| 14:28.20 | unomi | I used unetbootin to place the netinstall files on the usb stick and it boots fine |
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| 14:28.35 | unomi | but I am running into a hitch where it complains about no cdrom drive |
| 14:28.57 | unomi | is there a way to convince it to look at the usb root? |
| 14:29.04 | justin | unomi: did it say "no cdrom drive" or "can't find .iso file" ? |
| 14:29.14 | unomi | no cdrom drive |
| 14:29.15 | unomi | ah |
| 14:29.25 | unomi | I should have the iso file on the disk as well? |
| 14:29.36 | Chiamavano | is away: Ich bin beschäftigt |
| 14:29.42 | justin | umm. it depends i think :) |
| 14:29.46 | themill | Chiamavano: please turn that off in here |
| 14:29.59 | justin | one method of doing the netinstall from usb involves just the kernel+initrd+.iso file |
| 14:30.06 | justin | i'm not sure what unetbootin does |
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| 14:30.39 | justin | if you are really trying to netinstall you dont need the .iso then, it'll just download everything |
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| 14:48.07 | unixluser | i get Xfree86-misc extension missing in sid.. which package provides this? |
| 14:48.35 | gravity | None any more |
| 14:48.49 | gravity | That extension was removed upstream |
| 14:49.10 | pipegeek | whoa, xfree |
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| 14:49.32 | gravity | pipegeek: A lot of parts of the Xorg server still have XFree86 in the name |
| 14:49.43 | pipegeek | aha |
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| 14:50.59 | unixluser | gravity: what exactly depends on it, and why is xorg searchign for it? |
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| 14:51.19 | unixluser | ooh +l 911 |
| 14:51.24 | unixluser | .. ominous.. |
| 14:51.43 | rudi_s | Is there a way to get full output of strace? I want to see full string for sendto() but only a part is shown. -v didn't help |
| 14:51.46 | abrotman | unixluser: do you specify it in your xorg.conf ? |
| 14:52.09 | unixluser | nope. no extensions |
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| 14:53.17 | jelly | rudi_s: use -s option to increase the string length |
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| 14:54.08 | gravity | unixluser: What are you talking about? Why do you say xorg is searching for it? Do you mean a package, the X server, some library? |
| 14:54.17 | rudi_s | jelly: Thanks, worked perfectly. I guess there is no way to always print the full string? |
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| 14:54.31 | rudi_s | jelly: Using -s10000 atm. |
| 14:54.33 | jelly | rudi_s: not that I know of |
| 14:54.39 | rudi_s | jelly: Ok. Thanks. |
| 14:54.46 | unixluser | gravity: well, i'm guessing the error message send to console is a result of xorg looking for it, or has it defined in a list of auto-start extensions |
| 14:55.01 | gravity | unixluser: It may still have that, yes. It shouldn't make a difference. |
| 14:55.13 | ronr | I want to download (the contents) some mail folders created with IMAP with POP, I use the dovecot pop / imap server,how can I do this? |
| 14:56.02 | valdyn | ronr: whats the point when you can already do it with imap? |
| 14:56.10 | gravity | unixluser: Do you have an xorg.conf at all? |
| 14:56.17 | unixluser | gravity: yessir |
| 14:56.37 | ronr | valdyn: the mail has to be available on a laptop without constant internet access |
| 14:56.44 | valdyn | ronr: so? |
| 14:56.56 | ronr | imap downloads only headers right? |
| 14:57.02 | unixluser | gravity: again, no extensions are specified |
| 14:57.02 | valdyn | ronr: you really want an imap client to download everything |
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| 14:57.24 | justin | ronr: offlineimap |
| 14:57.33 | jaggz- | how can I include control-characters in my clipboard? |
| 14:57.41 | ronr | yes, just this once to get the full mail archive and from now on pop will be used to download any new mail |
| 14:57.44 | jaggz- | I want to make a makeshift macro, without actually making a macro |
| 14:57.58 | valdyn | ronr: just use now and keep using offlineimap, much better than pop |
| 14:58.02 | gravity | It's been a long time since I looked at this code |
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| 14:58.17 | jaggz- | (I'm ssh'ing to a server and in pine, and I want to paste my email address and ^X to send it) |
| 14:58.18 | ronr | I'll check it out, thx |
| 14:58.35 | gravity | hrm, no... it's not in the defaults |
| 14:58.38 | unixluser | ronr: yeah, offliineimap is good |
| 14:59.02 | unixluser | gravity: http://pastebin.com/f38858df2 |
| 14:59.09 | unixluser | of which defaults do you speak? |
| 14:59.12 | jaggz- | hmm.. i could put it in a file and use xclip |
| 14:59.30 | gravity | unixluser: Can you put your logfile in a pastebin as well? |
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| 15:00.39 | unixluser | gravity: http://pastebin.com/fb4d73ee |
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| 15:01.16 | unixluser | gravity: xsession-errors: http://pastebin.com/f3c3dfefd |
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| 15:01.37 | gravity | Oh, it's in your xsession-errors, not your Xorg log file |
| 15:01.50 | gravity | unixluser: You have some client app asking for that extension, which is no longer provided |
| 15:02.07 | unixluser | gravity: oh! |
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| 15:02.22 | gravity | unixluser: Presumably you have an app that needs to be updated |
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| 15:02.27 | g0rd0n | what command would i want to run to check my ext3 filesystem on a running machine? i don't want to make fixes, just checking... |
| 15:03.04 | unixluser | gravity: okay, i'll do some sleuthing |
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| 15:03.55 | unixluser | gravity: would my xorg.conf require a Module section at all? |
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| 15:04.04 | gravity | unixluser: No |
| 15:04.20 | gravity | The extension doesn't exist anymore for all intents and purposes. |
| 15:04.24 | jaggz- | gordon, not sure if it's possible.. you use -n to run it in read-only mode, but a changing fs underneath is prone to causing it to see errors anyway I believe |
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| 15:05.40 | g0rd0n | jaggz-: oh ok |
| 15:05.41 | unixluser | gravity: ah, nailed it down: it was due to an xset command in my .xinitrc |
| 15:05.46 | unixluser | gravity: cheers |
| 15:06.17 | jaggz- | but hey, maybe there's a live-fsck now.. |
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| 15:07.13 | zamba | is it possible to save the result of the auto probing of X? (meaning when i launch X with no xorg.conf file) |
| 15:07.48 | gravity | zamba: Not exactly, but you can do something similar using Xorg -configure |
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| 15:09.52 | satanas | i have upgraded to squeeze and now debian doesn't mount cds or usb drives, anyone can help? |
| 15:10.33 | halflife08 | satanas: what is the error you get ? |
| 15:10.52 | zamba | gravity: but that will ask me questions instead of probing? |
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| 15:11.05 | epsilon | does lshal find the device? |
| 15:11.12 | satanas | halflife08, well actually i don't get any error it just doesn't mount anything |
| 15:11.26 | gravity | zamba: No. |
| 15:11.36 | satanas | epsilon, yeap it find the device |
| 15:11.44 | justin | satanas: does something like 'mount /media/cdrom' work? |
| 15:12.06 | satanas | justin, yes i'm using usb drives in that way indeed |
| 15:12.29 | satanas | maybe is something gnome-related i don't know |
| 15:12.33 | justin | yep |
| 15:13.04 | epsilon | well then the device is there... it's up to kde or gnome to deal with it |
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| 15:16.51 | desja004 | hi i installed a tarball locally on my computer to /usr/local/bin/jags. I figured since this package wasn't available in debian that i would make an attempt at rolling my own .deb and seeing about getting it in debian. my .deb installed fine. but when i type jags at the command prompt it says /usr/local/bin/jags not found. but if i type /usr/bin/jags it works. how can i tell Bash to look at /usr/bin not /usr/local/bin first? |
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| 15:17.29 | justin | desja004: ls -l /usr/local/bin/jags |
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| 15:18.04 | gravity | zamba: If -configure doesn't do what you want, another possibility is to read your autoprobed Xorg.0.log and reconstruct the parts of the xorg.conf you actually want from it. |
| 15:18.10 | desja004 | ls: cannot access /usr/local/bin/jags: No such file or directory |
| 15:18.11 | desja004 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.20 | gravity | Or you could implement the config dump feature that I've been wanting for years |
| 15:18.24 | jaggz- | is there something like klipper which lets you set some temporary buffers? |
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| 15:18.35 | scapor | Installing both debian or ubuntu on a usb flash drive, after some/one reboot(s) the filesystem gets corrupt, both with ext2/3/reiser ...leading to loss of system files. Is this a known issue ? Is there some fix/workaround ? |
| 15:18.38 | hark | desja004: do an hash -r |
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| 15:18.49 | jaggz- | like vim's "[a-z] for storing things |
| 15:18.51 | justin | does bash use the path hashing by default these days? |
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| 15:19.00 | desja004 | hark: thanks |
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| 15:19.11 | jaggz- | justin, I recently had to hash -r so yes, i think so |
| 15:19.27 | jaggz- | but, "by default" .. we're using debian |
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| 15:21.53 | zhxk | ALL: any body lack of money, contact to me, I lead you to Somalia to fetch some trueasure |
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| 15:23.09 | jelly | wonders why zhxk wasn't kbanned already |
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| 15:24.53 | desja004 | also does anyone know how i can easily roll my own i386.deb if i'm on amd64 port? |
| 15:26.09 | g0rd0n | Apr 28 16:22:01 hannibal /usr/sbin/cron[6771]: (root.lock) ORPHAN (no passwd entry) <- what does this mean? |
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| 15:31.27 | keith4 | is there a command-line way to remove a user from a group? |
| 15:31.51 | ranix | deluser user group |
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| 15:32.13 | keith4 | ranix: nice, thanks |
| 15:32.22 | ranix | actually, sec keith4 |
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| 15:32.52 | jelly | desja004: hm, using an i386 chroot perhaps |
| 15:32.57 | keith4 | ranix: that worked |
| 15:33.01 | ranix | keith4: I think there is a difference between deluser and userdel |
| 15:33.01 | ranix | ok |
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| 15:33.05 | keith4 | man page confirms it |
| 15:33.06 | ranix | then I told you the right one |
| 15:33.14 | ranix | I second-guessed myself |
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| 15:33.17 | trupheenix | i was running powertop |
| 15:33.25 | trupheenix | and it gave a bunch of directives to help me save power |
| 15:33.29 | trupheenix | so i have a question |
| 15:33.38 | trupheenix | how do i get all those directives into a script |
| 15:33.43 | trupheenix | and get them to execute at startup |
| 15:33.44 | trupheenix | ? |
| 15:33.53 | jelly | !rc.local |
| 15:33.53 | dpkg | methinks rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). |
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| 15:34.03 | jelly | trupheenix: see above |
| 15:34.29 | trupheenix | !init.d |
| 15:34.30 | dpkg | it has been said that init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel> |
| 15:34.58 | jelly | ignore the init.d bit, in your case you really want to run some commands |
| 15:35.06 | trupheenix | ok jelly |
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| 15:38.52 | rdz | hi all. how can i check, which process access the disk? |
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| 15:39.34 | kefalo | rdz: lsof |
| 15:39.36 | brennen | rdz: lsof may be helpful, depending on what you look for. |
| 15:39.39 | trupheenix | jelly: there is a slight hitch though. powertop cannot seem to turn off my bluetooth device at all. :( |
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| 15:40.01 | rdz | brennen, i was thinking about lsof, but lsof /dev/sda doesn't give me a result |
| 15:40.12 | russo | hi all |
| 15:40.18 | trupheenix | russo: hi |
| 15:40.20 | gravity | rdz: iotop perhaps |
| 15:40.28 | rdz | gravity, i'll try.. thanks |
| 15:40.31 | trupheenix | jelly: how do u suppose i can turn off my bluetooth device otherwise? |
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| 15:40.51 | petemc | rdz: you're not using lsof correctly |
| 15:40.53 | jelly | trupheenix: depends on your laptop brand and model |
| 15:40.59 | russo | i have a quick question, i'm setting up a raid, iirc there was some way to pipe fdisk -p to get clone the partition tables of disks, does anyone know what i'm talking about? |
| 15:41.21 | rdz | petemc, ok.. what is the correct use of lsof in that context? |
| 15:41.33 | russo | i mean i could just do it a couple of times with fdisk but i remember theres a way to pipe it |
| 15:41.37 | trupheenix | jelly: can u help? i use Dell Vostro 1400 with a BCM2045 bluetooth chipset |
| 15:41.40 | lupine_85 | russo, not much point - fdisk is such a simple programm you might as well DIY |
| 15:41.45 | lupine_85 | but you might also look at `multipip1 |
| 15:41.50 | lupine_85 | multipipe* |
| 15:41.53 | rudi_s | rdz: lsof | grep /dev/sda |
| 15:41.55 | rdz | gravity, iotop is exactly what i was looking for.. many thanks |
| 15:42.02 | rdz | rudi_s, thanks.. |
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| 15:42.15 | jelly | trupheenix: nope, you'll have to investigate yourself |
| 15:42.26 | trupheenix | jelly: how does one investigate |
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| 15:42.32 | rdz | rudi_s, i got the idea, but this still doesn't give me any result |
| 15:43.05 | trupheenix | jelly: how does one start investigating> |
| 15:43.06 | trupheenix | ? |
| 15:43.26 | jelly | trupheenix: use a web search engine and search for your model and bluetooth and disable? |
| 15:43.31 | russo | lupine_85: :/ but i love using pipe!!! |
| 15:43.33 | jelly | trupheenix: and linux, too |
| 15:43.46 | rudi_s | rdz: Oh, sorry. You need to grep for the mount point where you mounted /dev/sda |
| 15:44.11 | rdz | rudi_s, thanks |
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| 15:44.50 | trupheenix | jelly: last option: disable it in bios? |
| 15:44.55 | rudi_s | rdz: np |
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| 15:45.10 | valdyn | russo: dd works too |
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| 15:45.47 | gravity | rdz: No problem |
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| 15:46.01 | ringo999 | how can i install j2me as package? |
| 15:47.04 | valdyn | ringo999: what is j2me? |
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| 15:47.59 | kenjy | Apr 28 10:37:39 www squid[4757]: WARNING: Disk space over limit: 6144476 KB > 6144000 KB |
| 15:48.11 | valdyn | kenjy: so? |
| 15:48.14 | kenjy | how can I increase my file descriptors? I have space in my HD but Im getting this in syslog, Apr 28 10:37:38 www squid[4757]: WARNING! Your cache is running out of filedescriptors |
| 15:48.25 | trupheenix | jelly: no luck with bT |
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| 15:48.32 | kenjy | valdyn: that |
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| 15:49.02 | valdyn | kenjy: see /proc/sys/fs/ |
| 15:49.34 | ringo999 | valdyn: java wireless toolkit... |
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| 15:49.50 | trupheenix | how do i edit grub config? |
| 15:49.59 | trupheenix | also how do i find bluetooth devices? |
| 15:50.01 | trupheenix | !grub |
| 15:50.01 | dpkg | [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader. It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub . For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 15:50.10 | trupheenix | !grubconfig |
| 15:50.16 | trupheenix | !bluetooth |
| 15:50.16 | dpkg | well, bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol: http://bluetooth.com/ , or about as secure as shouting. apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
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| 15:51.03 | valdyn | ringo999: not packaged, not packaable with java-package |
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| 15:57.08 | russo | lupine_85: i was thinking of sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb |
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| 16:01.11 | zhxk | brotman:my ip didn't change to xxx.10:http://pastebin.ca/1406230 |
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| 16:04.11 | yokobr | hey guys, does anyone knows a way to make a flash website on linux? |
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| 16:04.36 | Polarina | Flash is evil, do not use it. |
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| 16:04.52 | yokobr | flas is beautiful |
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| 16:05.00 | yokobr | flash* |
| 16:05.01 | zhxk | brotman:my ip didn't change to xxx.10:http://pastebin.ca/1406230 |
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| 16:05.34 | Polarina | yokobr: No, it's not. |
| 16:05.40 | yokobr | flash is evil for linux users, due to poor adobe atention.. |
| 16:05.53 | zhxk | Polarina:my ip didn't change to xxx.10:http://pastebin.ca/1406230 |
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| 16:06.05 | yokobr | without it, we would never get youtube |
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| 16:06.18 | tetraedr | people, I've got something strange on my acer aspire one: battery doesn't charge, acpi reports Battery 0: Full, 0% what the hell is going on? google is quiet on this. |
| 16:06.19 | Polarina | yokobr: No, it's evil due to Adobe releasing their plugin as proprietary software. |
| 16:06.29 | zhxk | yokebr:my ip didn't change to xxx.10:http://pastebin.ca/1406230 |
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| 16:06.44 | Polarina | zhxk: Stop referencing random people, it's rude. |
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| 16:07.01 | yokobr | and what else can i use to make a beautiful and colorful animated website? |
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| 16:07.16 | zhxk | Polarina:could you help me to correct the problem, please? |
| 16:07.25 | Polarina | yokobr: Flash websites are never beautiful. |
| 16:07.29 | muddd | zhxk what are you trying to do |
| 16:07.35 | yokobr | i bet they are |
| 16:07.40 | Polarina | zhxk: You might have more luck in ##linux |
| 16:07.46 | zhxk | mudd:i wan't change my ip |
| 16:07.51 | Polarina | yokobr: I beg to differ. |
| 16:07.51 | FailPowah | does the L2 cache matter much when running a headless debian install for servers? |
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| 16:07.58 | muddd | to what |
| 16:08.04 | Polarina | FailPowah: It always matter. |
| 16:08.07 | muddd | what do you want your ip to be |
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| 16:08.21 | yokobr | Polarina, are u a girl? |
| 16:08.37 | stew | yokobr: this isn't a social channel |
| 16:08.40 | Polarina | yokobr: What do you care? |
| 16:08.52 | zhxk | mudd:i want change my ip |
| 16:08.56 | zhxk | mudd:i want to change my ip |
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| 16:09.38 | yokobr | nothing. Its just because in my country, names that's finished with "a" are female, and "o", male.... but no need to answer.. just a curiosity. |
| 16:09.38 | muddd | zhxk what is the ip you require? |
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| 16:10.08 | zhxk | mudd:i require 192.168.175.10, its behind a nat box |
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| 16:10.34 | zhxk | mudd:currently it won't change:http://pastebin.ca/1406230 |
| 16:11.32 | muddd | that link shows the correct address, whats wrong? can't ping the internets? |
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| 16:12.26 | zhxk | mudd:well, my actual ip is 192.168.175.135 |
| 16:13.01 | muddd | then you need to do "ifconfig eth0 192.168.175.10" |
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| 16:13.30 | greycat | Or edit /etc/network/interfaces and do an "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" |
| 16:13.31 | zhxk | mudd:http://pastebin.ca/1406242 |
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| 16:14.18 | muddd | you didnt include the ip address at the end |
| 16:15.07 | muddd | yeah that too |
| 16:15.07 | muddd | :D |
| 16:15.07 | zhxk | how to modify? |
| 16:15.07 | muddd | MmmHmm..... |
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| 16:15.26 | zhxk | mudd:could help me? |
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| 16:15.42 | muddd | i just did but you didnt do it |
| 16:16.36 | zhxk | mudd:how should i do? |
| 16:16.37 | stew | zhxk: what are you expecting to happen? eth0 to get a new address from dhcp? or are you expecting it to get the static ip from eth0-home? what is eth0-home? some other interface? or are you trying to configue two mappings for the same interface? |
| 16:17.05 | muddd | he's just trying to change his ip for eth0 |
| 16:17.20 | muddd | language barrier? |
| 16:17.21 | zhxk | stew:i want a staic ip, eth-home is added manually by myself |
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| 16:17.33 | stew | zhxk: what is eth0-home? something you just made up?: |
| 16:18.10 | stew | zhxk: remove the "iface eth0 inet dhcp" line, change eth0-home to eth0, "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" |
| 16:18.50 | zhxk | stew:yeah, i just add that section expecting my ip of eth0 to be fixed to 192.168.175.10 |
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| 16:20.02 | stew | zhxk: a section named "eth0-home" would affect an interface named "eth0-home" not an interface named "eth0" |
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| 16:21.56 | zhxk | stew:flash-mail:command not found |
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| 16:23.39 | zhxk | stew:thank you |
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| 16:24.25 | stew | zhxk: perhaps you need a full path to whatever flash-mail is |
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| 16:24.41 | stew | zhxk: what is flash-mail? |
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| 16:25.07 | Vyrus001 | need some regex help, anybody got a good reg string for getting dirs (ending in foobar or foobar/) out of a list of dirs and files? (things ending in .foobar)? |
| 16:26.04 | Polarina | Vyrus001: I am not sure I follow you. |
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| 16:27.58 | MrWax | s |
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| 16:28.00 | limpio | hifi, i want to reduce an avatar to 80x80 pixels, i have xpaint installed, can xpaint do it? |
| 16:28.10 | limpio | i meant hi |
| 16:28.17 | Polarina | limpio: GIMP can do it. |
| 16:28.40 | limpio | Polarina, thanks bud |
| 16:28.45 | cahoot | or simply convert |
| 16:29.03 | unomi | som im trying to install debian from a usb stick |
| 16:29.20 | limpio | cahoot, what do you mean? i know jackcrap about images |
| 16:29.20 | unomi | ive got it booting, i am using the netboot.iso |
| 16:29.27 | Witch-King | unomi, knoppix :\ |
| 16:29.35 | unomi | limpio: imagemagick |
| 16:29.43 | Witch-King | unomi, install knoppix, then set your sources.list to debian mirrors. it works good. :) |
| 16:29.47 | unomi | limpio: it has a small util called convert |
| 16:29.55 | cahoot | limpio: convert -resize 80x80 img.one image.two (IIRC) |
| 16:30.06 | Vyrus001 | Polarina: in a list of "/www/foobar.com/html/ and /www/foobar.com/html/somefile.gif" i want to weed out the files and leave just the directories |
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| 16:30.29 | limpio | ok, i gotcha , thank you guys, i apreciate it |
| 16:30.44 | \amethyst | Vyrus001: do all the directories end with / ? |
| 16:31.13 | zhxk | stew:how to fix default gateway ? |
| 16:31.16 | unomi | Witch-King: really? there is no way to install debian from a usb stick? |
| 16:31.38 | dusted | yes there is |
| 16:31.40 | unomi | route add default gw ip afaik |
| 16:31.42 | dusted | I've done it |
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| 16:31.51 | amphi | unomi: see the install guide |
| 16:31.55 | plsd | unomi, did you check out the documention on debian.org ? I'm pretty sure it's there |
| 16:32.02 | Witch-King | unomi, yea there probably is. just saying knoppix is a very easily solution |
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| 16:32.21 | unomi | amphi: I did, and it seems much more straightforward that its turning out |
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| 16:32.33 | stew | zhxk: add "gateway 1.2.3.4" to the eth0 section, where 1.2.3.4 is your default gateway (then run ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0) |
| 16:32.34 | unomi | but I could be using the wrong base iso |
| 16:32.37 | zhxk | unomi: i wan't to config my default gateway, how to , what file? |
| 16:32.45 | amphi | I've not done it myself |
| 16:33.00 | amphi | zhxk: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:33.12 | unomi | zhxk: some distros have a 'gateway' file in /etc |
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| 16:33.47 | DavidProck19811 | how can i search for a word starting from a path and search all files for that word, also going into sub dir's ? |
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| 16:34.05 | unomi | DavidProck19811: man find |
| 16:34.13 | unomi | --iname is your friend |
| 16:34.25 | brennen | DavidProck19811: You might also look at ack. |
| 16:34.32 | brennen | it's kind of a nicer grep -ri. |
| 16:34.43 | brennen | apt-get install ack-grep, i think. |
| 16:34.44 | Vyrus001 | \amethyst: no sadly |
| 16:34.48 | DavidProck19811 | can u give me an example |
| 16:34.51 | Vyrus001 | some of them just end with foldername |
| 16:34.52 | dusted | zhxk, you can configure your default gateway with /sbin/route |
| 16:34.52 | Vyrus001 | no slash |
| 16:35.04 | DavidProck19811 | with the find |
| 16:35.27 | brennen | do you want to search for a file named something, or a word within files? |
| 16:35.50 | DavidProck19811 | word with in |
| 16:36.08 | zhxk | dusted:how to setup my dns manually? |
| 16:36.12 | unomi | DavidProck19811: I could, but it would be hurting you rather than helping you |
| 16:36.30 | unomi | take 5 minutes and read man find |
| 16:36.34 | DavidProck19811 | most of the time i dont understand the man pages |
| 16:36.38 | unomi | yeah |
| 16:36.40 | unomi | it takes awhile |
| 16:36.51 | zhxk | unomi:how to setup my dns manually? |
| 16:36.54 | DavidProck19811 | im in a hurry to find something thow |
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| 16:37.02 | dusted | ouch, why did I forget that :s |
| 16:37.06 | dusted | that hurts |
| 16:37.11 | brennen | DavidProck19811: unomi's advice is sound, but if you want a painless fix you can do "grep -ri word" |
| 16:37.16 | unomi | DavidProck19811: then use rgrep |
| 16:37.22 | unomi | or like brennen says |
| 16:37.25 | dusted | zhxk, if you just want to add some ip's, you can use /etc/hosts |
| 16:37.40 | brennen | and really do look into ack. especially if you have to cope with source code or anything like that. |
| 16:37.48 | unomi | zhxk: how do you mean? |
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| 16:38.00 | unomi | you can use /etc/resolv |
| 16:38.17 | dusted | yep, that's the one for dns servers ;) |
| 16:38.28 | zhxk | thank you |
| 16:38.35 | unomi | or if it is something simple like local testing you can put it in /etc/hosts |
| 16:39.20 | ewet | hi, does anyone know, if it's possible with the new icon naming scheme gnome/kde4 uses (is it really compatible?) to exchange icons the apps use in the gui? (buttons and so on)? that would help myking my theme... |
| 16:39.25 | dusted | resolv is for telling which dns servers to use, hosts is a lookup table that is used before contacting a dns server |
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| 16:40.27 | plsd | I'm trying to set up public key instead of password when logging into my openssh-server. I have the public keys in ~/.ssh and I've added them to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys but when I try to log in through command line I'm getting "Permission denied (publickey)." and from Nautilus I can't connect either. Do I need to put my private key anywhere special or what? |
| 16:40.29 | ewet | s/myking/making |
| 16:40.40 | zhxk | unomi: currently i installed debain in a virtual machine configured to use the phisical disk, i can boot the VM to debian, but i can't boot to debian from the real machine. |
| 16:41.27 | unomi | vmware? |
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| 16:41.35 | zhxk | unomi:yes |
| 16:41.41 | dusted | zhxk, did you configure your bootloader on the host machine? |
| 16:41.56 | zhxk | dusted:i configure |
| 16:41.59 | dusted | okay |
| 16:42.05 | unomi | which bootloader? |
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| 16:42.14 | \amethyst | plsd: turn up LogLevel to VERBOSE in sshd_config, try again, and check auth.log |
| 16:42.17 | unomi | what does it say when it starts? |
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| 16:42.23 | zhxk | dusted:it stop after decompressing the kernel |
| 16:42.34 | zhxk | dusted:grub |
| 16:42.49 | unomi | dunno |
| 16:42.53 | dusted | zhxk, it might be because the root= parameter is diffrent from the one used in the vm |
| 16:42.59 | dusted | however, I'm afk for now |
| 16:43.06 | unomi | sounds right |
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| 16:43.23 | zhxk | dusted:so what should i do? |
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| 16:44.51 | zhxk | dusted:i configured vmw to use phisical disk, so debian is installed in a real partition |
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| 16:46.52 | plsd | \amethyst, hm, I don't see anything (related to that) in /var/log/auth.log |
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| 16:48.02 | \amethyst | plsd: did you restart sshd after changing sshd_config? |
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| 16:48.21 | plsd | \amethyst, no but I will now :) |
| 16:48.26 | zhxk | dusted:my host runs xp, i put a grub4dos binary to c:\ and add an item to c:\boot.ini, and put create c:\menul.lst, then i install debian to /dev/sda8 through vmw, and install it's own grub to /dev/sda8, all works well to vmw, but i can't boo the real machine to debian envirement |
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| 16:49.51 | zhxk | dusted:my host runs xp, i put a grub4dos binary to c:\ and add an item to c:\boot.ini, and put a c:\menul.lst, then i install debian to /dev/sda8 through vmw, and install it's own grub to /dev/sda8, all works well to vmw, but i can't boot to the real machine to debian envirement |
| 16:50.03 | plsd | \amethyst, "Apr 28 18:49:17 localhost sshd[15777]: Connection from 127.0.0.1 port 48523" that's all it says. |
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| 16:50.50 | zhxk | anybody can help:my host runs xp, i put a grub4dos binary to c:\ and add an item to c:\boot.ini, and put a c:\menul.lst, then i install debian to /dev/sda8 through vmw, and install it's own grub to /dev/sda8, all works well to vmw, but i can't boot to the real machine to debian envirement |
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| 16:51.41 | \amethyst | plsd: hm... you should definitely be getting more in the logs than that |
| 16:52.21 | plsd | \amethyst, I have "LogLevel VERBOSE" in sshd_config |
| 16:52.31 | \amethyst | sed is like a limited version of ed with completely different commands and no seeks |
| 16:52.34 | \amethyst | doh |
| 16:52.42 | \amethyst | plsd: hm |
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| 16:53.07 | \amethyst | plsd: what are the permissions on ~/, ~/.ssh/, and ~/ssh/authorized_keys (on the server) |
| 16:53.10 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 16:54.37 | plsd | \amethyst, all are owned by my regular user. |
| 16:55.02 | \amethyst | plsd: what about the mode? none of them should be world- or group-writable; sshd will refuse service if they are |
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| 16:57.16 | zhxkII | anybody can help:my host runs xp, i put a grub4dos binary to c:\ and add an item to c:\boot.ini, and put a c:\menul.lst, then i install debian to /dev/sda8 through vmw, and install it's own grub to /dev/sda8, all works well to vmw, but i can't boot to the real machine to debian envirement that i just installed, it stops after loading the kernel |
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| 16:57.50 | zhxkII | I don't know how ubuntu did, it can work |
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| 16:57.58 | plsd | \amethyst, only the owner has any permissions, group and others have "none" as permissions. |
| 16:58.46 | hughszg | hi geeks, I got "E:Encountered a section with no Package: header, E:Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status" error when opening update manager, what should I do? I've googled and got a lot invalid advice |
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| 17:00.15 | hughszg | anyone can save me? |
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| 17:00.26 | hughszg | I've struglled on this for these days, |
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| 17:01.43 | plsd | \amethyst, Maybe I should go through this again so you can see if I did something wrong. I moved the public keys (one is mine, one is not) to ~/.ssh/ and added them to ~/.ssh/autorized_keys then I moved my private key to the same folder ~/.ssh/ and when I try to login with "sftp user@localhost" I get "Permission denied (publickey)." |
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| 17:02.00 | tux91 | Anybody know of a good dictionary program for Debian (not stardict)? |
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| 17:02.24 | DevilChaos | hey |
| 17:02.28 | epsas | Well hello |
| 17:02.35 | hughszg | geeks, may I get a response? Thanks in advance |
| 17:02.38 | \amethyst | plsd: the private key need to be in ~/.ssh on the client; the public key needs to be in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server; but it sounds like that is the case |
| 17:02.44 | epsas | I am managing linux desktop servers for 300+ users |
| 17:02.51 | epsas | err - linux terminal servers |
| 17:02.58 | adb | !tell tux91 about search |
| 17:02.59 | plsd | \amethyst, "RSAAuthentication yes" "PubkeyAuthentication yes" "AuthorizedKeysFile%h/.ssh/authorized_keys" |
| 17:03.04 | nkuttler | hughszg: pastebin the command and the complete error |
| 17:03.06 | epsas | anyway - I am doing the migration from CentOs to Debian now |
| 17:03.13 | epsas | and am running into a couple of SNAFUs |
| 17:03.25 | hughszg | nkuttler: ok |
| 17:03.28 | \amethyst | plsd: what are the octal permissions of ~/ ~/.ssh/ and ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server? |
| 17:03.34 | plsd | \amethyst, yes, as long as ~/.ssh/authorized_keys is a file and not a folder. if it's supposed to be a folder I messed up |
| 17:03.38 | DevilChaos | can someone give me the command to look through /etc/init.d/rc for the line startup $i start please? |
| 17:03.41 | epsas | first off, there is a bit of political stupidity in my office concerning the branding of 'Thunderbird' and 'Firefox' |
| 17:04.05 | tux91 | adb: i searched, but it appears that stardict is the only serious program available |
| 17:04.05 | plsd | \amethyst, how do I check that? |
| 17:04.05 | nkuttler | DevilChaos: hm? |
| 17:04.05 | epsas | the PHB wants me to rebrand icedove and iceweasel to their upstream names |
| 17:04.09 | epsas | I was wondering if there was a package to do that? |
| 17:04.18 | epsas | or if I will have to go in and manually change the icons |
| 17:04.25 | nkuttler | epsas: or just install ff |
| 17:04.51 | \amethyst | plsd: ls -l, look at the first column (drwxr-xr-x etc). do any of those have a 'w' anywhere but the third character? (like drwxrwx--- or such)? |
| 17:05.08 | epsas | nkuttler - that doesn't exist in Lenny |
| 17:05.13 | epsas | in the lenny repositories |
| 17:05.14 | \amethyst | plsd: ls -ld ~/ ~/.ssh ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 17:05.18 | nkuttler | epsas: mozilla.org |
| 17:05.32 | adb | tux91: apt-cache search dictionary |
| 17:05.33 | DevilChaos | nkuttler would like to add & to line to speed up startup sequence as mta is slow |
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| 17:05.37 | nkuttler | epsas: or do you mean that you want to change the *menu* icons? |
| 17:05.56 | nkuttler | DevilChaos: i still don't understand. man grep? |
| 17:06.09 | epsas | nkuttler - http://lmgtfy.com/?q=thanks%2C+but+no |
| 17:06.25 | hughszg | nkuttler: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-Untitled_Window.png |
| 17:06.32 | nkuttler | epsas: way to go to get support |
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| 17:06.46 | plsd | \amethyst, drwx------ drwx------ -rw------- |
| 17:06.57 | hughszg | nkuttler: the chinese reads unable to parse or open the package list or status file |
| 17:07.11 | nkuttler | hughszg: um... use the command line |
| 17:07.18 | nkuttler | !tell hughszg about localized errors |
| 17:07.23 | \amethyst | plsd: those look fine then. without anything in the logs, I have no idea what the problem is |
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| 17:08.22 | \amethyst | plsd: maybe check the other log files just to be sure (though in debian it should all go to auth.log) |
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| 17:08.37 | hughszg | hi nkuttler, I can't understand on localized errors, must I do that for solving my problems? |
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| 17:08.45 | \amethyst | plsd: #openssh might be helpful, too |
| 17:09.17 | nkuttler | hughszg: i can't help you with gui packag manager problems, sorry |
| 17:10.08 | hughszg | http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-Untitled_Window-1.png this is the error I got when opening synaptic |
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| 17:10.26 | hughszg | nkuttler: what command line output do you need? |
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| 17:11.07 | hughszg | now I can't open aptitude, or use apt-get, dpkg, |
| 17:11.15 | unomi | hughszg: try apt-get update |
| 17:11.26 | unomi | (close synaptic first) |
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| 17:11.54 | ugly | is there a lightweight browser with javascript support? i.e. for running over ssh - or, alternatively, does anyone know of a script/tool for uploading youtube videos from command line? |
| 17:12.06 | hughszg | unomi: E: Encountered a section with no Package: header |
| 17:12.10 | jpinx-eeepc | ugly: clive |
| 17:12.21 | unomi | hughszg: did you add a repository recently? |
| 17:12.29 | hughszg | unomi: no |
| 17:12.32 | plsd | \amethyst, I don't know if this is useful info but even when I specifically tell it to log in on port 22 I see a random port in the log |
| 17:12.33 | ugly | jpinx-eeepc: isn't that for _downloading_ videos only? |
| 17:12.48 | hughszg | I haven't , my system is freshly installed today, |
| 17:13.02 | plsd | \amethyst, for example "Apr 28 19:07:47 localhost sshd[15945]: Connection from 127.0.0.1 port 39658" and "Apr 28 19:11:52 localhost sshd[15992]: Connection from 127.0.0.1 port 52985" |
| 17:13.04 | jpinx-eeepc | ugly: commandline movie downloader |
| 17:13.11 | ugly | jpinx-eeepc: yes, I need to _upload_ |
| 17:13.13 | hughszg | though it's ubuntu, there is nobody help me in ubuntu channel :( |
| 17:13.25 | \amethyst | plsd: err, telling it to connect to port 22 (-p 22) shouldn't make a difference there |
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| 17:13.53 | unomi | hughszg: when you do update, does it start showing you a list? |
| 17:13.54 | jpinx-eeepc | ugly: sorry - I misread your query |
| 17:14.13 | hughszg | unomi: sure, |
| 17:14.24 | unomi | where does it break? |
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| 17:14.27 | itchi | jpinx-eeepc: Which model are you? |
| 17:14.32 | \amethyst | plsd: that's the client port, which will be random (so as to avoid conflicts with other outgoing connections to the same machine) |
| 17:14.43 | jpinx-eeepc | itchi: 701 |
| 17:14.45 | plsd | \amethyst, Ah ok. I'm guessing the names of the public keys or my private key is of no importance..? |
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| 17:14.48 | itchi | Just got a 701 and got it perfectly running |
| 17:14.57 | darkbulb | i installed gcc via synaptic but when i go to compile a c++ program I get iostream.h no such fil |
| 17:14.58 | unomi | which dist? |
| 17:15.03 | unomi | itchi: |
| 17:15.03 | jpinx-eeepc | itchi: cool |
| 17:15.12 | unomi | ive got a 701 as well |
| 17:15.13 | itchi | unomi: Debian heh :-D |
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| 17:15.18 | hughszg | unomi: after this line "http://security.ubuntu.com jaunty-security/restricted Sources |
| 17:15.37 | \amethyst | plsd: the private key does not need to be on the server, only the client |
| 17:15.43 | unomi | perhaps you want #ubuntu then ;) |
| 17:15.46 | hughszg | unomi: it keeps telling me that unable to read /var/lib/dpkg/status file |
| 17:15.58 | plsd | plsd, in this case they're the same :) |
| 17:16.00 | nkuttler | darkbulb: well, find out which dependency is missing |
| 17:16.18 | itchi | jpinx-eeepc: Got you some issues with it? |
| 17:16.20 | jpinx-eeepc | unomi: itchi there's a # debian-eeepc on oftc.net |
| 17:16.21 | hughszg | there is nobody help me there, or they just give me the suggest I've tested and failed, |
| 17:16.22 | \amethyst | plsd: on the client, if the private key's filename is not the default id_dsa or id_rsa you will have to use ssh -i keyname |
| 17:16.50 | unomi | hughszg: you can only have one apt 'client' open at once |
| 17:16.53 | itchi | jpinx-eeepc: hhhmm, cool, gona check |
| 17:17.06 | unomi | ie, cant run synaptic and apt-get at the same time |
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| 17:17.31 | \amethyst | plsd: on the server, the public keys should be in authorized_keys, one per line. You don't need them in individual files there at all |
| 17:17.34 | plsd | \amethyst, thank you, you just solved it. the private key had another name |
| 17:17.38 | unomi | i triedd eeebuntu / crunchbox |
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| 17:17.45 | unomi | but it was a bit messy |
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| 17:18.29 | zhxkII | unomi: how to configure debian to mount root fs by its name,/dev/sda8,not by UUID? |
| 17:18.30 | hughszg | unomi: I am not that foolish after all, that's not the case. the root -cause is that the package management doesn't work due to some failure with itself, not my operation |
| 17:18.33 | plsd | OT but I've heard good things about Easy Peasy for EEE. |
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| 17:19.13 | unomi | hughszg: I think they would be much more able to help you with your bleeding edge ubuntu distro in #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1 |
| 17:19.43 | nkuttler | hughszg: yes, go to #ubuntu. or google for your error if nobody can help you there |
| 17:20.00 | hughszg | unomi: I've googled and found a lot of debian users got this error very often but no effective resolvement offered, |
| 17:20.04 | jpinx-eeepc | itchi: no issues with the 701, but issues with an old wifi card that has decided to die in my older lenny laptop |
| 17:20.13 | unomi | you could try to remove the security repo that it seems to fail at |
| 17:20.39 | hughszg | nkuttler: debian users got this error no less than ubuntu users, but no good solution I've got from google yet, |
| 17:20.55 | hughszg | I've googled for two days and following every suggestion there |
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| 17:21.04 | hughszg | till now, unresolved |
| 17:21.12 | plsd | \amethyst, now I'm getting "Apr 28 19:19:28 localhost sshd[16046]: Failed publickey for *user* from 127.0.0.1 port 38672 ssh2" instead. But at least it's moving forward :) |
| 17:21.29 | itchi | jpinx-eeepc: I just don't get it working with WPA, but that may be me. I need to reset that router to be sure |
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| 17:22.02 | unomi | hughszg: you are using a very very new release of ubuntu |
| 17:22.02 | itchi | jpinx-eeepc: Otherwise, pico-bello :-D |
| 17:22.05 | jpinx-eeepc | itchi: I don't use that - I use wicd |
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| 17:22.20 | unomi | hughszg: the fault seems to be either with your installation/media or their repo |
| 17:22.32 | jpinx-eeepc | itchi: and the old laptop for the fullsize screen and kbd when I'm at home |
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| 17:22.53 | hughszg | unomi: how to remove dpkg/aptitude/apt-get and reinstall? |
| 17:23.07 | jpinx-eeepc | itchi: /join #debian-eeepc@irc@oftc.net |
| 17:23.11 | unomi | I dont know |
| 17:23.12 | hughszg | this is the only way I can think of now |
| 17:23.21 | nkuttler | hughszg: that still doesn't make your problem a #debian one. and the error you gave us a screenshot of gives a hint what is wrong |
| 17:23.32 | nkuttler | hughszg: not possible and won't help you anyway |
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| 17:24.00 | itchi | jpinx-eeepc: ok |
| 17:24.13 | hughszg | ahhhhh! |
| 17:24.30 | hughszg | thank you all anyway, |
| 17:24.53 | themill | hughszg: does /var/lib/dpkg/status look valid? Have you tried restoring it from the backup copy? |
| 17:25.11 | hughszg | themill: that's the first thing I do |
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| 17:25.14 | hughszg | but failed |
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| 17:25.32 | hughszg | I've mv status status.bak then cp status-old status, |
| 17:25.35 | hughszg | error persists |
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| 17:25.56 | themill | hughszg: ask #ubuntu if they've broken dpkg then. |
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| 17:26.11 | nkuttler | hughszg: or google how to restore the file |
| 17:26.18 | subsume | Can someone explain why I get the WOOF WOOF merely hitting backspace in a shell via screen? |
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| 17:26.29 | hughszg | themill: I've asked there, but my question was flowed by the others |
| 17:26.29 | themill | hughszg: or try restoring the file from your backups |
| 17:26.31 | nkuttler | subsume: hm, nethack mode? |
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| 17:26.54 | hughszg | themill: I've tried so many times, failed |
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| 17:27.27 | themill | hughszg: /var/backups/ of no use? |
| 17:27.47 | subsume | nkuttler: no idea what that means |
| 17:28.05 | nkuttler | subsume: man screen, check your screenrc, not sure though if it's that |
| 17:28.22 | hughszg | themill: I will try that :) |
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| 17:28.28 | unomi | hughszg: Ive been using ubuntu for awhile and while I admire the effort, they are a bit too constricted by their desire to put out new releases every 6 months |
| 17:28.49 | unomi | hughszg: its done when its done |
| 17:28.57 | hughszg | unomi: I agree, but I also admire their achievements. |
| 17:29.15 | hughszg | ubuntu, debian and slackware are all great distros to me :) |
| 17:29.17 | unomi | and judging by the chat in #ubuntu and +1 it simply aint done |
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| 17:29.52 | hughszg | the system is booting faster, the user experience to common users is getting more friendly than ever |
| 17:30.03 | nkuttler | hughszg: anyway, ot |
| 17:30.05 | unomi | until something breaks :p |
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| 17:30.28 | unomi | they are basically flying blind with their packaging system |
| 17:30.44 | hughszg | unomi: yes, agree with you. you see i'm suffering |
| 17:30.48 | unomi | unless you stick to the logo'ed packages |
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| 17:31.50 | plsd | unomi, this should probab |
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| 17:32.15 | unomi | plsd: ? |
| 17:33.07 | plsd | unomi, this should probably be discussed in #debian-offtopic but it's to be expected that people who come to an irc channel have some sort of problem. So don't judge by the chat. |
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| 17:33.47 | jakuub | hi |
| 17:33.57 | themill | plsd: Are you saying I've got problems??!?1! |
| 17:34.02 | jakuub | please i have problem i`m using ekiga or other software, but there doesnt work microphone |
| 17:34.12 | jakuub | i have problem only in debian, can someone hint me ? |
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| 17:35.04 | hughszg | themill: the /var/backups doesn't save, either |
| 17:35.22 | hughszg | themill: the /var/backups doesn't save me, either |
| 17:35.37 | zamba | jakuub: check if the microphone is selected |
| 17:35.55 | zamba | jakuub: check "options" under volume control |
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| 17:36.18 | themill | hughszg: then either you've got a different problem altogether, you've had this problem for a very long time or it's a problem with dpkg itself. Ask the ubuntu people. |
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| 17:40.35 | ribasushi | any procmail guru out here? |
| 17:40.50 | ribasushi | I can't get a ~/.procmailrc to execute at all if I have an /etc/procmailrc |
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| 17:41.11 | ribasushi | procmail just processes /etc/procmailrc directly, any hints? |
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| 17:41.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | include $HOME/.procmailrc in the global one, then? |
| 17:42.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/in/from/ |
| 17:42.27 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: that shouldn't be needed |
| 17:42.50 | ribasushi | that's a viable workaround though, /me tries |
| 17:43.02 | faffi | yay for the ghettorig |
| 17:43.14 | ribasushi | jelly-home: I've been all over the docs, can't see anything odd |
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| 17:43.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it's suspicious that the procmailrc package doesn't even have an empty global one |
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| 17:43.51 | jamon | ribasushi: turn on logging in your /etc/procmailrc to start with e.g. LOGFILE=/tmp/procmail.log |
| 17:43.58 | Gurpartap | E: Failed to fetch http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/linux/debian/debian/pool/main/p/proftpd-dfsg/proftpd-basic_1.3.1-17_i386.deb: 404 Not Found |
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| 17:44.08 | Gurpartap | aptitude install proftpd |
| 17:44.20 | Gurpartap | can i tell it to try some other mirror |
| 17:44.34 | jamon | Gurpartap: done and apt-get update first? |
| 17:44.36 | themill | Gurpartap: aptitude update first |
| 17:44.50 | themill | Gurpartap: (and make sure you've got a security mirror in your sources.list) |
| 17:45.05 | Gurpartap | OK |
| 17:45.16 | Gurpartap | fine after aptitude update |
| 17:45.16 | Gurpartap | :D |
| 17:45.19 | Gurpartap | thanks guys |
| 17:45.39 | tux91 | Can somebody help me install extra gtk themes for gnome? cause I'm having issues with this, e.g. I install gtk2-engines-cleanice and in the package it said it was gonna install three new extra themes but nothing happened, they are just not there, although i can see them in /usr/share/themes |
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| 17:46.16 | jelly-home | ribasushi: also, VERBOSE=on |
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| 17:47.51 | mrglinux1 | for search a package do we use apt-get cache package name ? |
| 17:48.02 | ribasushi | jelly-home: yes, it goes directly to procmailrc |
| 17:48.04 | ranix | apt-cache search packagename |
| 17:48.06 | greycat | mrglinux1: apt-cache search |
| 17:48.06 | ribasushi | /etc/procmailrc |
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| 17:48.20 | ribasushi | well I will just include the home one on top, might be a procmail quirk |
| 17:48.21 | mrglinux1 | aha |
| 17:48.24 | jamon | my guess ribasushi is that you're $HOME isn't readable by g/o users like nobody, postfix etc. |
| 17:48.52 | ribasushi | but procmail runs /etc/procmailrc as root |
| 17:49.13 | ribasushi | how could it possible not be able to dive into a user-dir |
| 17:49.13 | abrotman | tell mrglinux1 about search |
| 17:49.14 | jamon | ah that i didn't know ribasushi |
| 17:49.51 | greycat | procmail should be running as *you* |
| 17:50.05 | abrotman | in soviet russia ... |
| 17:50.15 | mrglinux1 | thanks bye |
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| 17:50.19 | ribasushi | greycat: it even has a DROPPRIVS=yes command to start running as a specific user |
| 17:50.19 | greycat | There's a #procmail channel if you surpass our knowledge of it. |
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| 17:50.29 | ribasushi | greycat: it's dead :( |
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| 17:50.57 | abrotman | 9 people is more than dead |
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| 17:51.15 | dmarkey | how does one recover from a full lvm snapshot |
| 17:51.33 | cosmosy | okay, you guys aware of that network manager thing that's ^^ up there? well, it disappeared |
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| 17:51.40 | greycat | ribasushi: well, I haven't touched procmail in a decade. I just have qmail run whatever I want with a ~/.qmail-foo file. |
| 17:51.40 | cosmosy | how do i get it back |
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| 17:51.58 | ribasushi | np guys, thanks for the help |
| 17:52.03 | ribasushi | I'll report if I figure it out |
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| 17:53.25 | unixluser | hello, are there any tools that automate creation of a bug report? |
| 17:53.29 | greycat | reportbug |
| 17:53.50 | unixluser | perhaps something that can find which package a file belongs to, and automatically references it in the report |
| 17:53.58 | unixluser | greycat: ok. that was quite fast |
| 17:53.59 | greycat | some upstream programs also have their own individual bug-reporting tools |
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| 17:54.35 | greycat | unixluser: "dpkg -S file" will often figure out what package a file belongs to, but not always |
| 17:55.00 | greycat | (files that are generated during the post-install don't show up in the -S list) |
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| 17:57.00 | unixluser | okay thanks |
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| 18:00.29 | DavidProck19811 | How can i increase my GART Memory size |
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| 18:02.45 | jelly-home | DavidProck19811: a) bios, b) why do you care? |
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| 18:04.09 | DavidProck19811 | because im modding a server for a game, and i need to run to copys of the game to test, and when i do i get a gart warning with a total computer lockup |
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| 18:04.26 | jpinx-eeepc1 | what other commands will tell me the cpu state/usage apart from top? |
| 18:05.03 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc1: vmstat |
| 18:05.27 | greycat | also uptime, if you just wanted the 1-, 5- and 15-minute load averages, not that those numbers are very useful. |
| 18:05.46 | Vyrus001 | is there a way to invert a find option? (i.e. find files where user is NOT foobar)? |
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| 18:06.25 | greycat | Vyrus001: ! -user ... |
| 18:06.38 | jpinx-eeepc1 | thanks greycat :) |
| 18:06.39 | Vyrus001 | lol duh... why didnt i try that :D |
| 18:06.41 | Vyrus001 | thnx |
| 18:06.46 | faffi | haha i didnt know you can do that |
| 18:07.02 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind |
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| 18:10.14 | ajavid | hi |
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| 18:10.52 | ajavid | I'm looking to rebuild the netboot initrd to include the firmware for my wifi nic. How can I get going with this? |
| 18:11.39 | ajavid | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ <- anyone know if these are supoprted here? |
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| 18:13.05 | nkuttler | ajavid: i don't see why not as long as you don't have kernel questions |
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| 18:13.34 | ajavid | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware bingo |
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| 18:13.40 | ajavid | I found it, la de da :D |
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| 18:14.45 | greycat | "This is possible and the Debian Installer build process is described elsewhere." is just crying out for a hyperlink. |
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| 18:15.50 | et | hyperlink? this isn't the internet, you know |
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| 18:16.17 | ajavid | it isn't!!? |
| 18:16.26 | ajavid | I'll be damned. |
| 18:16.40 | epifanio | hi all |
| 18:17.11 | epifanio | i'm on debian sid, using kde4 |
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| 18:17.56 | epifanio | i can't use .jpg image as desktop background, have you any clue on what i'm missing ? |
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| 18:18.30 | ajavid | check bugtracker for any known bugs in the photon thingy |
| 18:18.40 | ajavid | or kdesktop photon or whatever its called |
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| 18:19.16 | epifanio | ok i'l try, thanks |
| 18:19.44 | ajavid | when you use sid, make sure to install apt-listbus and apt-listchanges and always go see the bugtracker on the package that you have a problem with |
| 18:20.05 | ajavid | once you identify that its a bug and not on file, make a bugreport using the package 'bugreport' |
| 18:20.09 | unixluser | how do i set something like msmtp as my default mta? |
| 18:20.10 | ajavid | I mean reportbug |
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| 18:20.29 | greycat | unixluser: if it's a debian package, just install it. it should remove exim4 or whatever you're currently using. |
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| 18:21.13 | unixluser | well, i've installed it previously, but exim4 is still around (for local delivery) - it wasn't removed. I just want msmtp to be the default mailer |
| 18:21.19 | epifanio | i think it can be aproblem, beacouse i'm tring to load also the backgrond that comes with the defauts themes .. but i've it not loaded |
| 18:21.34 | unixluser | greycat: gosh, you're a very faster responder, did you know that? :) |
| 18:21.56 | greycat | I'm not specifically aware of msmtp's behavior |
| 18:22.36 | greycat | In general, check where the /usr/sbin/sendmail symlink points to, assuming it's a symlink |
| 18:22.54 | greycat | Also check to see what process is listening on port 25 |
| 18:23.01 | unixluser | exim4 |
| 18:23.08 | epifanio | Couldn't find package apt-listbus |
| 18:23.16 | greycat | epifanio: probably apt-listbugs |
| 18:23.18 | unixluser | msmtp isn't a daemon.. it's a one-shot smtp forwarder |
| 18:23.30 | epifanio | ahh ok, thanks! |
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| 18:24.17 | enouf | greycat: FWIW, some months back, while i squat in various debian devel channels, i noticed using 'netconsole' was an issue that needed working on - however, perhaps "/msg dpkg installer firmware" is some useful info? |
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| 18:25.38 | enouf | bah .. maybe i misunderstood |
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| 18:30.52 | unixluser | how do i resume a reportbug? i accidentally hit q while at the submit-bug state (after editing the report to include details). There was a /tmp/ file generated, that I sourced by way of reportbug -i <file>, but nothing seems to ahve happened, and I've had to start anew |
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| 18:35.11 | zhxk | well,what will happen if debian system is ghosted to another slightly diffrent computer and power it on? |
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| 18:35.28 | pothibo | hey, I have some corrupted files |
| 18:35.43 | pothibo | I want to delete, I tried rm -rf in root .. won't work.. any idea to force the deletion? |
| 18:35.43 | Polarina | zhxk: If you did not mess with any drivers or kernel modules, nothing. |
| 18:36.00 | Polarina | pothibo: fsck |
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| 18:37.39 | justin | pothibo: define 'won't work' |
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| 18:38.21 | pothibo | justin: input/outut error, I'm guessing Hard drive is slowly giving up |
| 18:39.04 | Polarina | pothibo: Backup! |
| 18:39.22 | pothibo | Polarina: I am :P |
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| 18:39.39 | greycat | Backups are good. |
| 18:39.45 | Polarina | pothibo: Faster, faster! |
| 18:39.48 | plsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.51 | Eneerge | does fglrx need a particular kernel module or configuration so it can be built when installing the ATI proprietary driver? I have a custom kernel compiled and when I try to install the driver (command line or gui) it fails saying that it cannot build fglrx.ko . I'm currently using 2.6.28-9. I had latency issues on 2.6.29-2 |
| 18:40.01 | pothibo | it won't die in the upcoming minutes.. |
| 18:40.18 | justin | plsd: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 18:40.19 | greycat | plsd: it sounds like you're typing a private key passphrase, not a system password |
| 18:40.27 | Polarina | plsd: The key is intended to go into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2. Is it located there? |
| 18:40.47 | greycat | authorized_keys is the preferred name now. |
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| 18:41.01 | plsd | greycat, exactly. |
| 18:41.09 | zhxk | well, what will happen if debain is installed in a kvm envirement using one partition on host phisical disk, configure grub and reboot the real machine to boot from that partition? |
| 18:41.16 | plsd | greycat, isn't that what I'm supposed to do? |
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| 18:41.46 | greycat | plsd: most people who fail to set up key auth know they've failed because they are prompted for a system password by the server. |
| 18:41.47 | rudi_s | Is there a way to resize the root partition of my encrypted LVM? Thanks. |
| 18:41.49 | Polarina | zhxk: You know there's only one way to find out. |
| 18:42.04 | Eneerge | anyone have any ideas on my ati problem? |
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| 18:42.10 | greycat | plsd: but in your case, it sounds like you are NOT being prompted for a system password, despite the fact that you said you were typing a password. |
| 18:42.13 | zhxk | Polarina:what will happen ? |
| 18:42.30 | plsd | This is what I get when trying to log in "Enter passphrase for key '/home/plsd/.ssh/id_rsa':" |
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| 18:42.33 | Polarina | zhxk: You know what that one way is, right? |
| 18:42.40 | greycat | plsd: Right, that part's OK. |
| 18:42.47 | Polarina | plsd: Yes, enter your passphrase. |
| 18:42.53 | zhxk | Polarina:I really don't know |
| 18:43.20 | Polarina | zhxk: It's acronymed TIAS, in other words: Try It And See. |
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| 18:43.32 | plsd | Polarina, I do and I get "Permission denied (publickey)." "Couldn't read packet: Connection reset by peer" |
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| 18:44.07 | greycat | plsd: if the server end is rejecting your public key, then you've screwed up somewhere in the authorized_keys file or the permissions. |
| 18:44.07 | Polarina | plsd: Are you sure you got the proper public key in authorized_keys? |
| 18:44.15 | gaintsura | whats the name of the archive manager in gnome? the application, not the package? |
| 18:44.29 | greycat | Wait, you also said you had to RENAME your private key. What was it named before, and how did you generate it? |
| 18:44.29 | Polarina | gaintsura: File Roller |
| 18:44.32 | Eneerge | File Roller |
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| 18:44.46 | plsd | greycat, ok, so maybe I could try and delete that key, make a new one and see what happens? |
| 18:44.59 | Polarina | plsd: Yes, please do. :) |
| 18:45.05 | zhxk | Polarina: it stoped between read the kernel image and mount the root fs in a similar experiment |
| 18:45.13 | greycat | plsd: "ssh-keygen -t rsa" |
| 18:45.18 | gaintsura | hm, apparently I didn't install it |
| 18:45.20 | plsd | Polarina, I'm pretty sure, I only have two, one's mine for testing this and the other one is someone elses. But I'll try what I said in my previous message. |
| 18:45.24 | Polarina | greycat: with -b 8192 |
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| 18:47.07 | plsd | This is how I created the last key: "ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096" is there any reason to use 4096 instead of 8192. Will 8192 be slower? |
| 18:47.24 | greycat | I doubt it matters. |
| 18:47.40 | zhxk | anybody know how to comfigure debian mount root fs without uuid? |
| 18:48.07 | zhxk | anybody know how to comfigure debian to mount root fs without uuid at boot time? |
| 18:48.15 | Polarina | plsd: 8192 will be slightly slower, but insignificantly. |
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| 18:49.34 | gaintsura | wow... fileroller depends on a lot of crap.. =S |
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| 18:50.24 | plsd | greycat, Polarina Well, I created a new key and added it to authorized_keys but I'm still getting "Permission denied (publickey)." after typing my password. |
| 18:50.42 | greycat | phassPHRASE. |
| 18:50.49 | Polarina | plsd: Try a key without a passphrase. |
| 18:50.52 | greycat | You are typing a passphrase, not a password. |
| 18:50.53 | justin | plsd: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 18:51.04 | greycat | Also http://mywiki.wooledge.org/SshKeys |
| 18:51.09 | justin | plsd: stop guessing and have the server tell you why it isnt working |
| 18:51.11 | Polarina | plsd: The password it asks for is the one that you entered while creating the key. |
| 18:51.54 | greycat | justin: I wish you could actually get sshd to tell you why it rejects a user's authorized_keys file. |
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| 18:52.01 | plsd | Polarina, I'm entering the correct password, when I type anything else it just asks me again. |
| 18:52.03 | plsd | justin, will do |
| 18:52.22 | maligor | 8192 is bit overkill in most uses :P |
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| 18:52.24 | justin | greycat: it doesn't? |
| 18:52.51 | greycat | justin: if an authorized_keys file is rejected due to, say, permissions of the /home directory, then you get no indication why. |
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| 18:52.57 | Polarina | maligor: It'll guarantee your security. |
| 18:53.17 | justin | greycat: oh, it warns you about other issues though |
| 18:53.31 | greycat | justin: then I spend 10 minutes hammering on the user until they actually READ the SshKeys page, or (FAR more likely), until I reach through the Internet and FORCE them to type ls -ld / /home /home/foo /home/foo/.ssh on their keyboard. |
| 18:53.54 | stew | (/msg dpkg debug sshd) |
| 18:54.02 | greycat | They always seem to think that if they checked the permissions of the .ssh directory and the file, that they're done. |
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| 18:54.27 | Polarina | plsd: Are you sure you're attempting to log in with the correct username? |
| 18:54.50 | maligor | Polarina, heh, but overkill nontheless, but it's always nice to feel a few bits more secure ;) |
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| 18:55.11 | plsd | Polarina, 100% sure. Everything used to work, only thing I've changed is to start using key instead of password. |
| 18:55.24 | ajavid | while not on debian itself, how can I find out if network-manager-kde comes with the debian kde lenny cd1 or not? |
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| 18:55.46 | melkart | i think that i have no screensaver daemon running. it doesnt show up in "services" nor as a process in system-monitor. nevertheless my screen blanks out after approx. 10 mins of inactivity. where can i turn this off? |
| 18:55.48 | plsd | ok, I got this long debug thingy, but I can't select it all. I'm in screen and I don't know how to scroll up to get what's outside of the terminal window. |
| 18:55.55 | pothibo | hmm I'm using cfdisk.. and none of my partition have labels.. is that normal ? I'm confused lol |
| 18:55.57 | greycat | plsd: I'm also confused why you are NOT getting a prompt for a password from the server end. Sounds like you also fucked with sshd_config and didn't tell us. |
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| 18:56.56 | plsd | greycat, I am getting a prompt for a password? "Enter passphrase for key '/home/plsd/.ssh/id_rsa':" |
| 18:57.02 | ajavid | nevermind |
| 18:57.09 | ajavid | http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=network-manager-kde I found it |
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| 18:57.28 | An_error | has occurred in your chat client. Please reboot Windows |
| 18:57.41 | greycat | plsd: that is a prompt for a PASSPHRASE, which is on the PRIVATE KEY. You are NOT getting a prompt for a SYSTEM PASSWORD, from the remote system. |
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| 18:58.38 | pothibo | An_error: on a debian channel... clever... |
| 18:59.21 | plsd | greycat, not sure I understand. I'm trying to log into my own computer to see that it works so there's no remote system. Isn't the point of the public key to not use a system password? |
| 18:59.22 | An_error | pothibo: that actually was intended to be the joke^^ |
| 18:59.51 | pothibo | kk |
| 19:00.04 | greycat | plsd: You must understand the difference between a private key with a passphrase on it, and a system password. It is fundamentally important. |
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| 19:01.44 | plsd | greycat, I do (at least I think so :) but I don't understand why the system password would be used. If I were someone else trying to log into my computer remotely why would I need to use a system password when it's set up to use a public key? |
| 19:01.54 | Unode-[work] | good afternoon |
| 19:02.08 | greycat | plsd: Usually if sshd rejects your authorized keys file (WHICH IS USUALLY DUE TO PERMISSIONS), you will get a prompt for a system password. |
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| 19:02.17 | plsd | By the way, I've chrooted the user with ChrootDirectory in sshd_config and only allowed SFTP. |
| 19:02.19 | Unode-[work] | is anyone having segmentation fault problems with iceweasel + flash on 64bit machine? |
| 19:02.25 | Unode-[work] | squeeze |
| 19:02.29 | greycat | plsd: The fact that you allegedly do NOT get a prompt for a system password means you have modified sshd_config somehow. |
| 19:02.34 | greycat | AHA! |
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| 19:02.42 | plsd | I have disallowed using passwords also. |
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| 19:02.52 | greycat | Then I doubt very much #debian can help you. |
| 19:02.59 | Polarina | plsd: Maybe that's your culprit? |
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| 19:03.02 | greycat | #openssh maybe, but while I'm there, I can't support THIS shit. |
| 19:03.29 | greycat | Did you at least confirm that you had key auth working BEFORE you disabled password auth? |
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| 19:03.31 | plugwash | does anyone have a copy of libtool_2.2.6a-2_amd64.deb ? |
| 19:03.38 | greycat | And BEFORE you did all this Chroot bullshit? |
| 19:03.48 | greycat | (Why do I even bother asking...?) |
| 19:04.14 | plsd | greycat, I did not see if key auth worked before disabling password. But the Chroot bullshit I did a long time ago when everything was still working :) |
| 19:04.39 | plsd | And I haven't gotten any replies in #openssh, however I do have the debug thing now and I'll put it on pastebin |
| 19:05.01 | Unode-[work] | has anyone had issues with flash-nonfree recently? |
| 19:05.08 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/SshKeys and /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 19:05.58 | plsd | Aha!! Now I see! Since it's chrooted it's looking for authorized file NOT in *my* home directory but in the home directory belonging to the chrooted user! |
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| 19:06.37 | click170 | I've got a UPS connected to my Debian machine for obvious reasons, and my AC unit loves to trip it whenever it turns on, which in itself isn't a problem but the messages that it produces to every connected user are. How can I suppress them so that they only appear in the log instead of being sent to all logged in users? http://pastebin.ca/1406453 |
| 19:06.45 | abrotman | plugwash: packages.debian.org ? |
| 19:07.07 | abrotman | Unode-[work]: like explosions? famine? hijacking shipping vessels? |
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| 19:07.26 | plugwash | abrotman, packages.debian.org and most mirrors only have the latest version and snapshot.debian.net seems to have stopped archiving |
| 19:07.28 | greycat | click170: figure out what syslog.conf setting it's logging at, and adjust syslog.conf accordingly |
| 19:07.29 | plsd | Thanks for the help greycat, justin and Polarina! |
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| 19:08.02 | abrotman | plugwash: stopped a long time ago i believe |
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| 19:08.27 | greycat | Or /etc/rsyslog.conf if you're using that. |
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| 19:08.34 | Unode-[work] | abrotman: no, more like iceweasel+flash+64bits+testing causing segfault on 2nd or 3rd click on flash websites |
| 19:08.41 | greycat | Because having a consistent daemon and filename is too much apparently. |
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| 19:09.23 | ribasushi | on my procmail issue earlier |
| 19:09.35 | plugwash | abrotman, not that long ago (they appear to have up to 2009/03/28 ) |
| 19:09.38 | abrotman | Unode-[work]: i'd probably try without flash first .. make sure it's not just iceweasel bombing .. or try another gecko based browser like epiphany .. or even try an OSS alternative like gnash |
| 19:09.48 | plugwash | but still that is too long ago to have the version I want |
| 19:09.49 | ribasushi | procmail seems to be programmed to process /etc/procmailrc _first_, and then to fallback to ~/.procmailrc |
| 19:09.52 | PerfDave | greycat: /etc/syslog-ng/syslog.conf ? |
| 19:09.57 | abrotman | plugwash: you could try to find a mirror that is out of sync |
| 19:10.01 | greycat | PerfDave: oh, there are THREE of them in Debian? |
| 19:10.05 | ribasushi | the only way I could convince it otherwise, was to override it directly in postfix: |
| 19:10.06 | abrotman | though that's a month .. nto very likely |
| 19:10.13 | ribasushi | mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION" "$HOME/.procmailrc" "/etc/procmailrc" |
| 19:10.48 | PerfDave | greycat: At least. I tend to just use syslog-ng for consistency :) |
| 19:10.59 | plugwash | I guess noone maintains a list of mirrors sorted by how outdated they are :( |
| 19:11.05 | abrotman | actually |
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| 19:12.22 | greycat | wow, I don't even have a procmail man page on any of the first 3 systems I tried |
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| 19:13.30 | abrotman | plugwash: nope .. it just says if they are outdated |
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| 19:17.36 | Unode-[work] | abrotman: no go... a plain new profile and it crashes on leaving a flash enabled website |
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| 19:17.47 | Unode-[work] | doesn't happen with flash disabled |
| 19:17.53 | abrotman | Unode-[work]: i'd try another gecko based browser .. |
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| 19:19.02 | cognitiaclaeves | what are the default settings for an ext3 filesystem for tune2fs ? |
| 19:19.10 | Ace2017_- | during the boot process it said: AMD AuthenticAMD, so does there mean there are or were counterfeit amd processors? |
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| 19:19.26 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: it varies |
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| 19:19.38 | Unode-[work] | abrotman: do those support flash out of the box or do I need to tweak? |
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| 19:20.13 | rysiek|pl | hi guys |
| 19:20.27 | abrotman | Unode-[work]: should work fine |
| 19:20.32 | cognitiaclaeves | abrotman: How does it vary? Is there something I can read to figure out which variation to set it back to? |
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| 19:20.51 | rysiek|pl | I've got a meta-question for you, concerning the repos rather then Debian system itself |
| 19:20.56 | greycat | Check the settings on wehatever you didn't screw with. |
| 19:20.57 | PerfDave | Ace2017_-: Yeah, Intel do a bunch of so-called "amd64" processors, like Xeons and Core 2 Duos |
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| 19:21.32 | rysiek|pl | I am a part of the hackable1 project (Debian on the Neo FreeRunner based distro, with quite a few optimizations and configuration fixes for neo and such devices) |
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| 19:21.42 | Ace2017_- | PerfDave: why don't they show up as Intel GenuineIntel? |
| 19:21.55 | greycat | model : Pentium II (Klamath) |
| 19:21.55 | greycat | vendor_id : GenuineIntel |
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| 19:22.00 | vimpulse | rysiek|pl: hi. Please say the rest of your question on one long long line. Good IRC clients will auto-split it properly. |
| 19:22.13 | rysiek|pl | vimpulse: okay |
| 19:22.15 | joeyjones | how can i have debian 5 boot to commandline/bash instead of gdm? |
| 19:22.22 | cognitiaclaeves | abrotman: no hint how it varies? |
| 19:22.23 | Unode-[work] | abrotman: epiphany-browser crashed on same situation |
| 19:22.24 | greycat | joeyjones: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 19:22.24 | abrotman | !tell joeyjones about nodm |
| 19:22.26 | Unode-[work] | similar error |
| 19:22.31 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: i believe the man page tells you |
| 19:22.44 | Unode-[work] | sh: /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer: No such file or directory | and then seg fault |
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| 19:22.48 | vimpulse | hi all. I want to back up my main disk /dev/sda to a file on /dev/sdb1. Is it likely there exists a utility that can do this and show me a progress meter? |
| 19:22.48 | vimpulse | (ISTM that dd cannot show a progress meter, partimage cannot back up an entire disk, and pcopy cannot save the target image to a file. Clonezilla is not on ftp.debian.org.) |
| 19:22.52 | cognitiaclaeves | ok. I'll check that, then. |
| 19:23.02 | abrotman | Unode-[work]: why not use the native 64bit flash for linux ? |
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| 19:23.20 | Unode-[work] | abrotman: I am using the native flash for linux ... isn't that the one in the repo? |
| 19:23.48 | joeyjones | abrotman: i read what dpkg said, but in my /etc dir x11 is a file, not a dir. |
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| 19:23.56 | cognitiaclaeves | abrotman: I wondered why I didn't check that to begin with... I think I did... maybe I missed it? |
| 19:23.56 | dummkopf48227 | how do I get PPPoE connection start after reboot? |
| 19:24.08 | abrotman | joeyjones: /etc/X11/ is a directory |
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| 19:24.21 | greycat | joeyjones: ls -ld /etc/X11 |
| 19:24.22 | rysiek|pl | h1 has it's own repo, for h1-specific packages, and uses debian repos (fso-alioth) for the Debian packages - Pingus, Wesnoth, lots of those work great without any modifications. there are, however, packages that "overlap", are present both in h1 and in debian repos - h1 has a wee bit newer version with some neo/h1-specific fix of said package. now, obviously as soon as there is a newer version in Debian repo, things will break |
| 19:24.23 | rysiek|pl | so |
| 19:24.24 | abrotman | Unode-[work]: why is it looking for nspluginwrapper stuff ? |
| 19:24.32 | sepult | jelly-home: they talk about you over in #biology |
| 19:24.39 | sepult | lol |
| 19:24.41 | sepult | :) |
| 19:25.04 | abrotman | the person or the substance? |
| 19:25.12 | joeyjones | greycat: "No such file or directory." |
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| 19:25.28 | Unode-[work] | abrotman: I used to have that on the system |
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| 19:25.53 | abrotman | joeyjones: which version of linux is this? |
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| 19:26.12 | PerfDave | rysiek|pl: man apt_preferences - pin your h1 repositories with higher priority than the Debian repos |
| 19:26.19 | joeyjones | linux debian 2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 19:26.28 | joeyjones | debian 5 |
| 19:26.32 | abrotman | that's not debian 5 |
| 19:26.34 | greycat | that's an etch (debian 4.0) kernel |
| 19:26.42 | greycat | he _might_ have upgraded but skipped the kernel |
| 19:26.47 | rysiek|pl | PerfDave: ah, and packages in h1 repos will have priority, regardless of version numbers? |
| 19:26.47 | abrotman | that'd be silly! |
| 19:26.48 | joeyjones | i doubt it |
| 19:26.56 | greycat | but he sure as hell broke his X installation... or he's just not typing the X capitalized. |
| 19:27.01 | abrotman | joeyjones: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 19:27.05 | rysiek|pl | PerfDave: perfect! didn't know I can pin wholre *repos*! |
| 19:27.13 | zhxk | anybody knows how to add scsi driver to debian? |
| 19:27.31 | abrotman | it's already there |
| 19:27.41 | joeyjones | greycat: caps :p |
| 19:28.19 | greycat | Unix is case sensitive, and you'd better get used to that... |
| 19:28.21 | abrotman | joeyjones: what happens when you try to install the package i mentioned |
| 19:28.26 | joeyjones | greycat: i know |
| 19:28.31 | joeyjones | abrotman: 1 sec |
| 19:28.42 | rysiek|pl | I was going to ask how would you see (i.e. as a Bad Thing maybe) writing an "apt-proxy", something like apt-cacher, but able to override package versions for certain packages, but if apt-pinning works, it would be ideal |
| 19:28.43 | abrotman | though that's not his problem .. |
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| 19:29.22 | joeyjones | abrotman: it's installing |
| 19:29.27 | joeyjones | actually... |
| 19:29.32 | joeyjones | i really should re-format this box |
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| 19:29.47 | joeyjones | i walked away while installing and my damn alb partner installed gnome and all the apps |
| 19:29.59 | joeyjones | it's beign used on an embedded system |
| 19:30.07 | greycat | !remove gnome |
| 19:30.07 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly). |
| 19:30.11 | joeyjones | just running x takes 10-20% of the cpu |
| 19:30.41 | joeyjones | all i wanted was a blank net install |
| 19:30.42 | abrotman | joeyjones: you don't need to reformat it |
| 19:30.46 | joeyjones | the idiot |
| 19:31.08 | dondelelcaro | joeyjones: just remove the packages you don't want |
| 19:31.18 | joeyjones | dondelelcaro: that would be a lot... |
| 19:31.30 | vimpulse | repeat: I want to back up my main disk /dev/sda to a file on /dev/sdb1. Is it likely there exists a utility that can do this and show me a progress meter? |
| 19:31.30 | vimpulse | (ISTM that dd cannot show a progress meter, partimage cannot back up an entire disk, and pcopy cannot save the target image to a file. I also crosspasted my question to ##linux but got no answer there.) |
| 19:31.43 | dondelelcaro | joeyjones: not really; the tasks only install a few, and the rest are automatically installed based on that, and will be automatically removed too. |
| 19:31.49 | greycat | vimpulse: you could write your own tool. |
| 19:31.55 | PerfDave | vimpulse: rsync? dd can show progress. |
| 19:31.58 | dondelelcaro | vimpulse: dd can tell you waht it's doing. |
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| 19:32.21 | greycat | rsync would give him a usable hierarchy of files instead of a disk-image-in-a-file like dd does. |
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| 19:32.49 | joeyjones | i might jsut leave it with gdm disabled |
| 19:33.00 | joeyjones | it does have a 180gb hdd for some stupid reason |
| 19:33.09 | abrotman | embedded 180GB? |
| 19:33.12 | vimpulse | PerfDave: no, i am having another problem, and so i want to get the whole disk, including the partition table and all partitions, before I attempt to fix the other problem. |
| 19:33.25 | joeyjones | abrotman: it's a http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/embedded/artigo/index.jsp |
| 19:33.33 | rysiek|pl | thanks a bunch and see you all |
| 19:33.36 | joeyjones | it'll take any 2.5" |
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| 19:33.49 | vimpulse | dondelelcaro: i know: via SIGUSR1. It's not a very good progress meter. But I think I will use that, since you are quite knowledgeable and you don't know of anything else. |
| 19:33.54 | vimpulse | *didn't mention |
| 19:34.08 | abrotman | joeyjones: oh .. mini/pico-ITX .. not what i was thinking of when you said embedded |
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| 19:34.25 | stew | vimpulse: if you want a better progress meter, you can use pv in a pipeline with dd |
| 19:34.26 | Deffie | hi all, cannot find mkinitrd in lenny, hm ? |
| 19:34.29 | greycat | vimpulse: there's also http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/044 |
| 19:34.39 | stew | Deffie: use mkinitramfs from initramfs-tools |
| 19:34.47 | vimpulse | greycat: nah, i won't write my own tool, but I wonder if I should file bug reports asking dd's progress notification to be easier to trigger and to look nicer |
| 19:34.55 | joeyjones | abrotman: it is considered embedded though |
| 19:35.02 | Deffie | stew oh thanks |
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| 19:35.06 | abrotman | joeyjones: right .. but still not what i thought you meant |
| 19:35.18 | greycat | vimpulse: probably won't happen. dd is a core unix tool. it's not supposed to be pretty. |
| 19:35.32 | dondelelcaro | vimpulse: there are other tools like pcopy or dcfldd which can do it too, but dd is good enough. |
| 19:35.35 | vimpulse | greycat: why can't it be pretty? |
| 19:35.35 | joeyjones | abrotman: eventually we're going to be porting a system we design to other embedded systems using CF cards |
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| 19:35.59 | dondelelcaro | vimpulse: because being pretty means being larger |
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| 19:36.11 | vimpulse | dondelelcaro: why is larger so bad? |
| 19:36.24 | PerfDave | vimpulse: Because not all embedded systems have 180GB hard drives ;) |
| 19:36.26 | dondelelcaro | vimpulse: because it makes embedded systems and the core system larger |
| 19:36.27 | greycat | because then it won't fit on your rescue floppy |
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| 19:36.54 | vimpulse | dondelelcaro: if someone wants smaller, why can't they use busybox or a hypothetical #undef DD_PROGRESS_METER? |
| 19:37.16 | dondelelcaro | vimpulse: if someone wants larger, they can use a program like pcopy or dcfldd |
| 19:37.20 | greycat | Why can't you just use a pretty-boy tool instead of dd? |
| 19:37.23 | zhxk | any body know how to add scsi driver to debian? |
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| 19:37.35 | greycat | zhxk: what are you trying to do? |
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| 19:41.10 | zhxk | greycat:i'm trying to add scsi support at boot time,so that i can boot from sata disk |
| 19:41.30 | greycat | The Debian installer already supports SATA disks. |
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| 19:41.46 | stew | zhxk: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:41.54 | greycat | Do you have some weird SATA controller? |
| 19:41.54 | zhxk | greycat:may i should add sata driver instead |
| 19:42.31 | Deffie | while its not strictly debian related i'm having a nfs mounted filesystem which doesnt allow me to write on it, and it is mounted rw, any hint ? |
| 19:42.46 | zhxk | greycat:i have one |
| 19:42.48 | PerfDave | Deffie: Does the server's /etc/exports allow rw mounts? |
| 19:42.51 | greycat | Deffie: check /etc/exports on the server. |
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| 19:43.13 | Deffie | export says /hdd/mountpoint ip(rw,sync) |
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| 19:43.19 | Deffie | i've made it |
| 19:43.27 | greycat | did you just add the "rw"? |
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| 19:43.37 | vimpulse | zhxk: you are writing very short sentences. Do you speak another language? Maybe you would prefer #debian-zh or another channel? :) |
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| 19:43.57 | zhxk | stew: uname -r says 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 19:43.59 | Deffie | greycat nope it was rw, i changed default directory |
| 19:44.12 | greycat | Deffie: if you edited the exports file, make sure you run "exportfs -a". |
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| 19:44.22 | Deffie | ow |
| 19:44.26 | greycat | Deffie: although the details may vary depending on what OS the exports file is on |
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| 19:44.43 | stew | zhxk: it would already support scsi/sata then |
| 19:45.00 | Deffie | greycat it is an ipbox (a dreambox clone, a satellite receiver) |
| 19:45.27 | Deffie | greycat trying to debootstrap on it |
| 19:45.27 | greycat | well, "exportfs -a" is the most general Unix-like command for this kind of thing. See your system's manuals if that doesn't work. |
| 19:45.56 | zhxk | stew:well, it freezed at "booting the kernel" |
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| 19:46.31 | greycat | zhxk: you mean after installing onto the local SATA disk, or before that? |
| 19:46.34 | PerfDave | zhxk: Why do you think a lack of SATA driver is responsible for your kernel freezing? |
| 19:47.45 | greycat | most kernel freezes would be due to ACPI or something -- rarely a disk. |
| 19:47.54 | zhxk | well, i think the kernerl can't find a driver to mount the root fs,so it freezed after saying "Booting the kernel" |
| 19:48.07 | greycat | No, if it can't find the root disk, it will tell you so. |
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| 19:48.20 | greycat | zhxk: Did you install onto the disk? |
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| 19:48.49 | zhxk | greycat:i install on the disk through vmware |
| 19:48.51 | jelly-home | Deffie: oh, are you trying to write to a nfs export as root? |
| 19:48.57 | greycat | Oh gods. |
| 19:49.37 | jelly-home | Deffie: you'll need no_root_squash option in /etc/exports file if you want root not to be replaced with nobody |
| 19:49.55 | zhxk | stew:what do you think happens behind on "Booting the kernel"? |
| 19:50.11 | greycat | A lot. |
| 19:50.39 | jelly-home | Deffie: so, something like /hdd/mountpoint yourclientip(rw,sync,no_root_squash) |
| 19:50.46 | Deffie | jelly-home yup i used it but didnt said here |
| 19:51.05 | PerfDave | zhxk: Does VMWare allow you to see any output on a "serial console" or something? |
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| 19:51.18 | zhxk | greycat: the HDD led keep black after "Booting the kernel" |
| 19:51.18 | Deffie | jelly-home anyway no luck i still get permission denied |
| 19:51.25 | jelly-home | Deffie: if you want help here, it's strongly suggested to paste _exact_ configuration |
| 19:51.37 | zhxk | PerfDave:sure |
| 19:51.38 | greycat | If you are using vmware, I cannot help at all. |
| 19:52.13 | zhxk | greycat:well, what if i using kvm? |
| 19:52.31 | greycat | I don't even know what end users mean by "kvm" any more. |
| 19:52.38 | vimpulse | stew: I was getting "E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the dcfldd package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch)" when installing dcfldd and pv. But I solved it with apt-get install --reinstall dcfldd pv. Thank you for the pv suggestion; it's working perfectly. |
| 19:53.03 | greycat | To me, a KVM switch is a little box with a dial on the front with "A", "B", "C", etc. And it lets you connect one mouse and keyboard and monitor to multiple computers. |
| 19:53.18 | greycat | It would be totally *irrelevant* to the installation process. |
| 19:53.46 | jelly-home | greycat: thankfully those kernel guys have appropriated the TLA to name their virtualization platform! |
| 19:53.52 | greycat | You're kidding. |
| 19:53.57 | vimpulse | zhxk: again: what languages do you speak? English and what else? |
| 19:54.02 | zhxk | greycat:kvm is anoter virtual pc that runs on linux platform |
| 19:54.07 | greycat | Christ. |
| 19:54.36 | jelly-home | filename: /lib/modules/2.6.29-1-686/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-amd.ko |
| 19:54.48 | zhxk | vimpulse:zh_cn |
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| 19:55.28 | greycat | Let me be precise: if you aren't *sticking a Debian CD or DVD into a CD/DVD drive and booting from that and installing to a local disk drive* then I cannot help you at all. |
| 19:56.15 | abrotman | !zh |
| 19:56.15 | dpkg | it has been said that cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 19:56.19 | vimpulse | greycat: PerfDave: do you think it would be appropriate for us to suggest to zhxk to #debian-zh since he/she can probably speak Chinese better than English and so can explain his problem better? |
| 19:56.39 | abrotman | vimpulse: i already have a few times |
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| 19:57.37 | zhxk | greycat:well,thank you all the same |
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| 19:58.25 | zhxk | I don't know how, ubuntu works fine |
| 19:58.55 | greycat | Then use that to install. |
| 19:58.59 | vimpulse | zhxk: why don't you go to #debian-zh instead? :-) |
| 20:00.06 | zhxk | vimpulse: sth directed me back to #debian |
| 20:00.16 | vimpulse | zhxk: what does "sth" mean? |
| 20:00.23 | abrotman | something |
| 20:00.24 | zhxk | something |
| 20:00.29 | vimpulse | zhxk: what thing? |
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| 20:00.39 | abrotman | vimpulse: chanserv? |
| 20:00.42 | zhxk | vimpulse the programe |
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| 20:01.02 | zhxk | IRC system |
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| 20:01.30 | vimpulse | zhxk: ah, you must use ##debian-zh instead, but there is nobody there. Let me look on irc.oftc.net for you |
| 20:01.30 | greycat | #debian-zh is "PRIVATE"? Why? |
| 20:02.20 | vimpulse | zhxk: you must go to irc.oftc.net and join #debian-zh there instead. |
| 20:02.21 | zhxk | vimpulse: thank you all the same, i think they won't give answer |
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| 20:02.45 | vimpulse | zhxk: who won't? freenode ##debian-zh or OFTC #debian-zh? |
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| 20:03.47 | tux91 | Hello everybody. I have an issue with gnome. Every time I log in it start a process called 'stardict'. I installed stardict before but I've deleted it already. Also, it's not in the startup options. How can I find out where it comes from? |
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| 20:03.58 | zhxk | well, it's not a language related problem |
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| 20:04.43 | Deffie | greycat jelly-home http://nopaste.com/p/ahCB4Fkum |
| 20:05.08 | vimpulse | zhxk: I see you have said something in #debian-zh and nobody has answered you yet. If you are patient, somebody will. I think even for non-IME/language-related problems, no? |
| 20:05.41 | dondelelcaro | vimpulse: it's perfectly ok for people to ask questions here in english |
| 20:05.45 | greycat | Deffie: "Permission denied" on the mount command is very different from "I mounted it read-only, help!" |
| 20:05.58 | greycat | Deffie: "Permission denied" on the mount command means "It did not mount at all." |
| 20:06.05 | PerfDave | Looks like a noexec mount issue? |
| 20:06.14 | jelly-home | Deffie: I don't see no_root_squash in your exports. |
| 20:06.15 | greycat | /etc/mtab might be out of date. Don't use that to check things. |
| 20:06.24 | Deffie | awk |
| 20:06.26 | PerfDave | greycat: Isn't Deffie mounting successfully but failing to execute something from the mount? |
| 20:06.49 | greycat | Oh, wait, you didn't get "permission denied" on the mount. That was a second command. I thought you had a horizontally scrolling bash prompt thing. |
| 20:07.03 | PerfDave | Possibly because it's only root-executable and they're trying to execute it as nobody due to root squashing |
| 20:07.08 | vimpulse | dondelelcaro: but me and a. brotman both seem to think that zhxk will do better asking in #debian-zh. English is not zhxk's first language. |
| 20:07.10 | PerfDave | Deffie: ls -l /mnt/powerpc/test |
| 20:07.15 | Deffie | jelly-home you are right, i removed no_root_squash |
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| 20:07.20 | jelly-home | Deffie: why? |
| 20:07.24 | greycat | Deffie: What jelly-home said. You don't allow root to be root. |
| 20:07.27 | zhxk | vimpulse: i just wan't what happend underhood |
| 20:07.36 | vimpulse | dondelelcaro: of course zhxk *can* ask here if he/she wants. |
| 20:07.49 | tux91 | anybody? no? |
| 20:07.58 | vimpulse | zhxk: what does "i just wan't what happend underhood" mean? |
| 20:08.03 | unomi | this feels so good |
| 20:08.09 | unomi | just installed debian |
| 20:08.15 | dondelelcaro | vimpulse: he means that he wants us to understand what is going on |
| 20:08.20 | PerfDave | tux91: Sorry, I'm not a gnome user - perhaps asking #gnome ? |
| 20:08.20 | unomi | fluxbox love |
| 20:08.21 | SerajewelKS | does the BTS have some kind of CC facility similar to bugzilla where i can get emails when a bug report is updated? i've been unable to find one. |
| 20:08.31 | SerajewelKS | i'd even take RSS feeds, but there aren't any of those either. |
| 20:08.33 | tux91 | PerfDave: k thanks |
| 20:08.35 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: nnn-subscribe@bugs.debian.org |
| 20:08.37 | zhxk | vimpulse:well, which language do you speak |
| 20:08.38 | vimpulse | zhxk: well, I don't understand what is going on with your Debian problem: sorry. |
| 20:08.40 | greycat | SerajewelKS: you're automatically copied if you're the original reporter |
| 20:08.42 | vimpulse | zhxk: English |
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| 20:08.56 | dondelelcaro | greycat: you aren't, actually |
| 20:08.57 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: thanks. greycat: i'm not. :) |
| 20:09.01 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: debian's bts is ALL about mail! :-) |
| 20:09.14 | zhxk | vimpulse:i wan't details about the booting process of debian system |
| 20:09.28 | vimpulse | zhxk: i can't help you with that, sorry |
| 20:09.30 | Deffie | hides |
| 20:09.32 | dondelelcaro | zhxk: what details about it? |
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| 20:09.35 | greycat | funny... I've always got email from the BTS |
| 20:09.37 | zhxk | vimpulse:i want know detail informations about the booting process of debian system |
| 20:10.04 | EagleScreen | SystemVInit |
| 20:10.12 | zhxk | dondelelcaro:eg. what's going on to "Booting the kernel" |
| 20:10.18 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: If you go to http://bugs.debian.org/ there's a link at the top for "Requesting bug reports by email", is that what you want? |
| 20:10.26 | Deffie | i misreaded no_subtree_check with no_root_squash |
| 20:10.26 | SerajewelKS | just to clarify, are merged bugs treated the same for the purposes of subscribing? so if i subscribe to one i will get the same info as if i subscribe to the other, except possibly if they become unmerged? |
| 20:10.27 | dondelelcaro | zhxk: execution is being transfered from the boot loader to the kernel. |
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| 20:10.33 | greycat | zhxk: The installer writes the file systems to the local hard drive, then writes a GRUB master boot record to the hard drive's boot area, then reboots the system. |
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| 20:10.43 | Deffie | adding no_root_squash solved the problem |
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| 20:11.18 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: no, that requests one bug report one time by email |
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| 20:11.48 | jelly-home | !spank Deffie |
| 20:11.49 | dpkg | bends Deffie over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 20:11.52 | greycat | zhxk: If you're doing something in your virtual machine thingy that makes it see a hard drive ONLY during the installation, but not when the real hardware is booted, then you may have a virtualization issue. |
| 20:12.00 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#subscribe |
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| 20:12.05 | Deffie | haha :P |
| 20:12.35 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: yeah, dondelelcaro already answered with that :) |
| 20:12.56 | zhxk | greycat:well, do you think the install detected the the hardware confiuration and build an boot.img-genral file that loads the hardware-specific drivers before the kernel mounting the root fs? |
| 20:13.22 | greycat | zhxk: since you did not boot from a Debian CD with a Debian kernel on it and install to the local hard drive under the control of that Debian kernel, gods only KNOW what state anything is in. |
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| 20:13.42 | greycat | zhxk: you're not giving us much information to help, either. |
| 20:14.04 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Yeah, but I was pointing you to the documentation rather than just telling you the answer ;) |
| 20:14.13 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: ah |
| 20:14.25 | zhxk | greycat:I think the difference is hardware configuration |
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| 20:14.48 | PerfDave | zhxk: It's possible - Debian inherited the Ubuntu failship of badly guessing which drivers to include in an initrd - but again, I'd expect you to get an error rather than a freeze there. |
| 20:15.20 | vimpulse | my IRC client does not support UTF-8. Can someone else please change "#debian-zh" in the factoid !zh to "irc.oftc.net #debian-zh" (since there is no Chinese-speaking Debian channel on Freenode)? |
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| 20:15.50 | Akuw | hio |
| 20:15.52 | Akuw | hi |
| 20:16.01 | abrotman | vimpulse: it doesn't have to support it .. but anyways .. yes |
| 20:16.06 | greycat | dpkg: cn =~ s/\/j #debian-zh/join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh/g |
| 20:16.09 | Akuw | i installed phpmyadmin but is not in /var/www |
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| 20:16.13 | greycat | Nope, apparently I can't. |
| 20:16.15 | Akuw | i am using apache2 |
| 20:16.16 | abrotman | who butchered that |
| 20:16.22 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:16.25 | abrotman | goes to fix |
| 20:16.29 | greycat | dpkg: cn =~ s,/j #debian-zh,join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh,g |
| 20:16.29 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 20:16.31 | PerfDave | Akuw: dpkg -L phpmyadmin |
| 20:16.42 | foetus | as true as eggs is eggs - igor pavlovs calculation factor is 3 :) evening. |
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| 20:17.23 | zhxk | greycat:I think ram-file boot.img-general is configure at install time in a virtualized envirenment that didn't have disk driver that supports real machine's disk-boot-neccessary-drives that make the kernel been able to driver the hard disk |
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| 20:17.26 | abrotman | !zh |
| 20:17.27 | dpkg | well, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 20:17.29 | abrotman | vimpulse: better ? |
| 20:17.48 | greycat | zhxk: I know *nothing* about installing into virtualized environments and then attempting to boot them as real hardware. Nothing. |
| 20:18.06 | PerfDave | zhxk: If your kernel doesn't have the drivers to mount your root filesystem, I'd expect it to say so, not just hang. |
| 20:18.07 | vimpulse | greycat: abrotman: thanks for fixing the factoid. |
| 20:18.26 | zhxk | greycat:I think ram-file boot.img-general is configured at install time in a virtualized envirenment that didn't have disk driver that supports real machine's disk-boot-neccessary-drives that make the kernel been able to driver the hard disk |
| 20:18.38 | greycat | You keep talking at me as if I understand. I do not. |
| 20:19.05 | Akuw | ok, is there |
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| 20:19.20 | Akuw | but why in lenny is in that dir? and not in /var/www ? |
| 20:19.22 | zhxk | greycat: it's just like you replaced the motherboard |
| 20:19.54 | vimpulse | zhxk: i think greycat is frustrated and does not want to help you anymore. |
| 20:19.57 | PerfDave | Akuw: Why would you put it in /var/www ? |
| 20:19.58 | vimpulse | greycat: correct? |
| 20:20.06 | greycat | So your new motherboard doesn't know how to boot from your SATA controller? Then you have a hardware problem. |
| 20:20.20 | Akuw | ok, how can i run phpmyadmin then? |
| 20:20.37 | PerfDave | Akuw: Try reading the docs in /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin ? |
| 20:20.40 | zhxk | greycat:yes, it is hardware problem |
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| 20:21.32 | Akuw | forget it, i run it |
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| 20:23.18 | PerfDave | Akuw: Most web apps need a little bit of configuration post-install to get them to work. They are usually well-documented. This reduces default installation security issues. |
| 20:23.27 | deed02392 | if i get debian ia-64 that'll run on the intel q6600 right? |
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| 20:23.33 | arcsky | my windows didnt boot because of problem with my grub can anyone please have a look http://pastebin.com/m70c5daab |
| 20:23.34 | deed02392 | with a 64bit word length of course? |
| 20:23.36 | PerfDave | deed02392: Probably not |
| 20:23.49 | deed02392 | which should i choose PerfDave |
| 20:23.51 | dondelelcaro | !ia64 |
| 20:23.52 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
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| 20:24.16 | deed02392 | orly |
| 20:24.20 | dondelelcaro | odds are, if you didn't spend more than 3K for your machine, it's not Itanium |
| 20:24.27 | deed02392 | lol |
| 20:24.31 | deed02392 | yeah fair enough |
| 20:24.39 | PerfDave | Odds are, if you didn't spend more than 3K for your machine, and it's not worth less than 50p, it's not Itanium |
| 20:24.41 | zhxk | greycat:yes, it is a hardware problem. you insatll a debian system with one motherboard, and you replaced the motheroard to another one that totally different in hardware configuration. so the kernel will freeze if it happend not have the new chip drivers to the replaced motherboard |
| 20:24.43 | justin | arcsky: post your whole grub config |
| 20:24.51 | deed02392 | so my intel q6600 has an amd64 architecture |
| 20:24.56 | vimpulse | arcsky: you will get a quicker response if you tell us all the most important line or two of what you pastebinned. |
| 20:24.56 | PerfDave | finally deracked and kicked out the last Itanium from his server room today o/ |
| 20:24.58 | justin | arcsky: aren't the debian entries also (hd0,0)? |
| 20:25.07 | justin | arcsky: I think you mean hd(0,2) for windows |
| 20:25.16 | PerfDave | deed02392: Yes, Intel's 64-bit CPUs implement the amd64 instruction set |
| 20:25.22 | deed02392 | interesting |
| 20:25.25 | deed02392 | i'll grab that then |
| 20:25.27 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: there are still some nice itanium machines out there... but they're in the super-enterprise level |
| 20:25.33 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: No, there aren't :) |
| 20:25.45 | arcsky | how can i know if its hd(0,0) or whatever |
| 20:25.50 | arcsky | fdisk -l ? |
| 20:25.59 | zhxk | greycat: i think my guess is reasonable |
| 20:26.09 | deed02392 | will i still be able to run any program available if i have the source and compile it on the machine? |
| 20:26.09 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Even pre-release, never-shipped next-gen Itanic kit blows goats. |
| 20:26.13 | enouf | arcsky: cfdisk would also mention it |
| 20:26.13 | justin | !wayttd zhxk |
| 20:26.14 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, zhxk? |
| 20:26.20 | PerfDave | deed02392: Depends on the source code :) |
| 20:26.26 | deed02392 | ah |
| 20:26.30 | enouf | arcsky: 0x80 is first disk |
| 20:26.33 | PerfDave | deed02392: Your amd64 system can run amd64 and i386 apps |
| 20:26.51 | zhxk | justin: i wan't to boot debain after the motherboard is replaced |
| 20:26.59 | greycat | zhxk: liar. *plonk* |
| 20:27.01 | enouf | arcsky: beware ; grub2/grub-pc and friends use hd0,1 as 1st disk, 1st partition, not hd0,0 |
| 20:27.11 | deed02392 | i'm a lil confused |
| 20:27.12 | PerfDave | deed02392: Mixing the two can get a little confusing at times (trying to run an i386 browser plugin in an amd64 browser for example), but it mostly works |
| 20:27.26 | zhxk | greycat: :D |
| 20:27.30 | deed02392 | would there be no benefit PerfDave in choosing amd64? |
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| 20:27.33 | PerfDave | deed02392: the amd64 instruction set is a superset of the i386 one, so you can either run i386 Debian on your hardware, or amd64. |
| 20:27.33 | vimpulse | zhxk: do you know what "plonk" means? |
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| 20:27.53 | deed02392 | performance wise, is it worth bothering? |
| 20:28.01 | PerfDave | deed02392: Depends on what you're trying to do. |
| 20:28.08 | zhxk | vimpulse:i don't know, can you explain? |
| 20:28.17 | PerfDave | deed02392: How much RAM do you have in your computer, and what tasks will you be using it for? |
| 20:28.20 | deed02392 | for exmaple, if i compile the same source on i386 as on amd64, would it process any faster on the amd64 machine? |
| 20:28.27 | PerfDave | deed02392: Depends on the source |
| 20:28.30 | themill | dpkg: tell zhxk about plonk |
| 20:28.33 | deed02392 | how so PerfDave? |
| 20:28.40 | vimpulse | zhxk: it means that greycat /IGNORE 'd you, so he/she will never see anything you write again. |
| 20:28.41 | PerfDave | deed02392: Because benchmarking computers is hard. |
| 20:29.02 | deed02392 | i mean, how will the source affect its processing speed? |
| 20:29.05 | arcsky | ah worked with hd(0,2) |
| 20:29.05 | PerfDave | deed02392: If you've got >4GB RAM, or are doing stuff like video encoding, then amd64 is probably worth it. If you're not, it's probably not, but can't help. |
| 20:29.05 | enouf | arcsky: crap, i'm mistaken about cfdisk - sorry ... hrm .. well, your BIOS can certainly tell you - likely lshal or dmidecode - try "/msg dpkg what's my hardware" suggestions/tools/utils |
| 20:29.20 | greycat | vimpulse: (10-day timer on it, so I'd see it again eventually...) |
| 20:29.23 | deed02392 | does it have to be written with amd64 in mind for it to run any faster on it PerfDave? |
| 20:29.26 | PerfDave | deed02392: It depends on what the program is trying to do. Some stuff can take advantage of amd64 features, some can't. |
| 20:29.47 | PerfDave | deed02392: No, source isn't (or shouldn't be) written with a particular architecture in mind. It's the compiler's job to turn source into efficient programs for the architecture. |
| 20:30.07 | vimpulse | arcsky: type "sudo grub", press Enter, type "ls (", then press Tab twice. |
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| 20:30.11 | deed02392 | interesting PerfDave, really i only asked because i saw the option and thought i'd try and be cool by going for 64 bit |
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| 20:30.24 | zhxk | vimpulse:ok nevermind |
| 20:30.37 | vimpulse | zhxk: never mind what? |
| 20:30.39 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: they're pretty much restricted to machines with isane amounts of memory, like the integrity superdome series, et al. |
| 20:30.40 | enouf | arcsky: grub1 generates and uses a /boot/grub/device.map file - however, it's only generated as a gues upon installation; you'd need to use the --recheck option to grub-install for it to try and guess again |
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| 20:31.03 | zhxk | vimpulse:i don't care anyone ignored my message |
| 20:31.08 | PerfDave | deed02392: I run amd64 on my Core 2 Duo laptop. I do some video processing work on it, but I haven't benchmarked it vs i386 to see whether it's really faster. |
| 20:31.23 | deed02392 | theoretically it is faster though right? |
| 20:31.29 | enouf | but yes arcsky as vimpulse just reminded me, grub shell has tab completion ;-) and cat and find too ;-) |
| 20:31.45 | deed02392 | just out of interest, what kinda video processing do you do on it? |
| 20:31.51 | deed02392 | i often archive my videos to RMVB format |
| 20:31.52 | zhxk | well, see you later, i'm trying a nother thing |
| 20:31.52 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: theoretically, it's slower. It's just that the i386 instruction set is so bad, that it compensates |
| 20:31.56 | PerfDave | deed02392: "faster" is something very hard to quantify in computing. It's unlikely to be significantly slower ;) |
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| 20:32.12 | PerfDave | deed02392: I transcode between formats for web upload etc. |
| 20:32.15 | deed02392 | really dondelelcaro :O |
| 20:32.22 | deed02392 | do you ever transcode to rmvb PerfDave? |
| 20:32.26 | PerfDave | deed02392: Not knowingly |
| 20:32.33 | arcsky | vimpulse: ls isnt allowed in grub |
| 20:32.35 | deed02392 | haha, i see |
| 20:32.36 | enouf | PerfDave: be sure you build all apps using the intel compiler vs gcc berfore making any comparisons ;-) |
| 20:32.45 | PerfDave | enouf: Or Portland :) |
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| 20:32.49 | enouf | heh |
| 20:32.59 | PerfDave | also benchmarks compilers at work o/ |
| 20:33.01 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: if the instruction sets are done properly, 64bit should be slower than 32bit... |
| 20:33.13 | vimpulse | arcsky: try what I said. do you get any error message? |
| 20:33.14 | enouf | then compare an amd64 CPU with an Intel as well :-p |
| 20:33.16 | deed02392 | that's insane, what's the point in it then dondelelcaro? |
| 20:33.22 | arcsky | no |
| 20:33.30 | PerfDave | enouf: Do you mean compare an AMD amd64 CPU with an Intel amd64 CPU? :) |
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| 20:33.36 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: addressing 64bits of memory, of course. |
| 20:33.37 | vimpulse | arcsky: then why do you claim it is not allowed? :) |
| 20:33.41 | arcsky | i just want to learn next time i have grub problem |
| 20:33.42 | enouf | PerfDave: precisely! |
| 20:33.56 | arcsky | Unregonized command |
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| 20:34.18 | deed02392 | so really the only true benefit of the 'instruction set' is the ability to access large amounts of ram dondelelcaro? |
| 20:34.26 | enouf | arcsky: 1st figure out which version of grub you're using |
| 20:34.43 | vimpulse | arcsky: enouf: you're right, there is no "ls" command in Grub. my mistake, sorry. Use "cat" instead. |
| 20:34.54 | enouf | arcsky: if grub2 try 'insmod modules' or something |
| 20:34.58 | PerfDave | deed02392: No, amd64 does some stuff in hardware faster than i386 :) |
| 20:35.06 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: no, there are other changes to amd64, like adding more registers, etc. which compensate. |
| 20:35.10 | enouf | ask in #grub about grub2 |
| 20:35.28 | deed02392 | ok, i'll stop asking questions now 'cause we're well out of my teritory PerfDave and dondelelcaro :) |
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| 20:35.39 | PerfDave | And then you get crap like SSE4 doing AES with hardware acceleration... |
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| 20:35.55 | enouf | corrals deed02392 back into the ... corral :-) |
| 20:36.00 | deed02392 | lol |
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| 20:36.07 | PerfDave | But instruction set comparisons are always amusing. |
| 20:36.08 | dondelelcaro | machines where the 32 v 64 thing is pretty clear cut are the sparc and power2 architectures... but almost no one uses them |
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| 20:36.16 | deed02392 | why are there 31 different CD images :S |
| 20:36.26 | unixluser | how do see what cflags were used for packages for amd64? |
| 20:36.27 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: because that's how many packages there are. |
| 20:36.27 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: POWER6 roolz, Itanic droolz! :) |
| 20:36.29 | enouf | deed02392: 20K packages :-) |
| 20:36.34 | deed02392 | woah |
| 20:36.38 | deed02392 | it's provided all offline? |
| 20:36.47 | deed02392 | ok so for my basic install i'll just grab number one correct? |
| 20:36.48 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: you don't need them all, but they're there. |
| 20:36.52 | PerfDave | deed02392: Yeah, people use Debian far away from the Internet :) |
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| 20:37.00 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: you can just grab the netinst, actually. |
| 20:37.02 | enouf | deed02392: /msg dpkg netinstall lenny |
| 20:37.06 | PerfDave | deed02392: Read the Installation Manual to see what you need to download (but first CD ISO isn't a bad way to do it) |
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| 20:37.15 | enouf | or 'lenny netinstall' |
| 20:37.17 | deed02392 | wow, imagine such a place so far from the interwebs |
| 20:37.42 | PerfDave | deed02392: I know sysadmins who run Debian in Tibetan villages in mountain valleys, powered by wind turbines :) |
| 20:37.50 | unixluser | anyone know what cflags were used in building debian packages on amd64? perticularly -g flags |
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| 20:38.00 | deed02392 | wow PerfDave :| what do they do? |
| 20:38.04 | PerfDave | unixluser: See for yourself? |
| 20:38.14 | unixluser | PerfDave: where is it set? |
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| 20:38.33 | PerfDave | unixluser: aptitude source <package>, look in debian/rules or debian/control for the compile flags |
| 20:38.51 | greycat | unixluser: it won't be consistent across packages. |
| 20:38.52 | unixluser | PerfDave: oh, they'd vary b/w packages? |
| 20:39.14 | enouf | !b/w |
| 20:39.18 | PerfDave | deed02392: Provide libraries, e-mail facilities, teaching materials, stuff like that. |
| 20:39.20 | enouf | black and white? |
| 20:39.24 | vimpulse | unixluser: just curious, why would you like to know whether the -g flag was used? |
| 20:39.39 | vimpulse | b/w is between |
| 20:39.45 | enouf | ... |
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| 20:40.04 | deed02392 | cool stuff PerfDave, kind of like internal email i guess for residents of these remote places with no internet access? |
| 20:40.16 | enouf | nd ths s asl lgble |
| 20:40.38 | PerfDave | deed02392: No, they courier out the mailspools on donkeys :) |
| 20:40.50 | deed02392 | haha :D |
| 20:40.58 | vimpulse | enouf: *als |
| 20:41.15 | enouf | aye , s/asl/als/ |
| 20:41.19 | PerfDave | Well, not literally, but they do actually use e-mail without a permanent net connection to communicate with the outside world |
| 20:42.11 | unixluser | enouf: w/e |
| 20:42.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | unixluser, they can... I'd guess the maintainer chooses them - or goes with the default |
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| 20:42.26 | enouf | unixluser: b/c why? :-p |
| 20:42.44 | enouf | !aolsmite me |
| 20:42.49 | unixluser | enouf: w/o reason |
| 20:42.51 | enouf | oh .. gone :-( |
| 20:43.01 | unixluser | they're not aol-isms, are they? |
| 20:43.07 | enouf | who cares |
| 20:43.14 | vimpulse | unixluser: repeat - just curious, why would you like to know whether the -g flag was used? |
| 20:43.27 | greycat | Debian packages are stripped. |
| 20:43.37 | unixluser | vimpulse: no, i just wanted to see which debugging flags were used. |
| 20:43.38 | greycat | If -g was used, it was stripped away afterward. |
| 20:43.43 | themill | there are -dbg packages for a reason |
| 20:43.47 | unixluser | vimpulse: something i can replicate locally |
| 20:43.49 | vimpulse | unixluser: why did you want to see? |
| 20:44.00 | unixluser | um, why not? |
| 20:44.27 | vimpulse | unixluser: i agree that it is fine to check; i just thought there might be some deeper reason why. :) |
| 20:44.29 | unixluser | greycat: thanks |
| 20:44.29 | enouf | goes afk for a bit ... |
| 20:45.19 | unixluser | themill: they're essentially the same, save for some extra debugging info? |
| 20:45.31 | unixluser | nothing tweaked, nothing suppressed? |
| 20:46.14 | themill | unixluser: ideally. Check debian/rules to see. |
| 20:46.16 | PerfDave | unixluser: You can check for yourself ;) |
| 20:47.55 | unixluser | okay. just looking for a smaller package |
| 20:47.58 | enouf | unixluser: having debugging info in the binaries makes them substantially larger, IINM |
| 20:47.58 | cognitiaclaeves | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.05 | unixluser | being trafic-shaped sucks |
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| 20:48.28 | unixluser | enouf: i understand that they get larger.. but substantially? |
| 20:48.42 | enouf | up to 2x? |
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| 20:48.47 | sylarrr | why is drbd 8.3 not in lenny? |
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| 20:49.07 | enouf | really has to go afk for a bit now ... bbl |
| 20:49.18 | vimpulse | unixluser: why do you want a smaller package? How big is your hard drive? |
| 20:49.21 | PerfDave | sylarrr: Because the developers didn't put it there? |
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| 20:49.53 | sylarrr | PerfDave, didn't they? |
| 20:50.04 | PerfDave | sylarrr: Well, if it's not there... :) |
| 20:50.09 | unixluser | vimpulse: small -dbg package to download -- i'm net-shaped atm |
| 20:50.38 | zhxk | hello, what will happen if a motherboard is replaced? |
| 20:50.45 | vimpulse | unixluser: how slow is your net connection? |
| 20:50.52 | deed02392 | nn all o/ |
| 20:51.00 | sylarrr | PerfDave, some times there are other reasons |
| 20:51.01 | unixluser | vimpulse: 3-4 kB/s |
| 20:51.08 | pobega | sylarrr: It just didn't make the cut, I suppose. |
| 20:51.12 | unixluser | vimpulse: and irc is taking a huge chunk of that |
| 20:51.12 | pobega | That's the usual culprit |
| 20:51.15 | zhxk | hello, what will happen if a motherboard is replaced to another one with diffrent chips on it? |
| 20:51.19 | unixluser | which is quite sad |
| 20:51.29 | PerfDave | wonders what a drbd is :) |
| 20:51.51 | sylarrr | PerfDave, it is network raid1 |
| 20:52.21 | vimpulse | unixluser: why are you traffic-shaped to so slow? could you go to a university Internet cafe and torrent and burn yourself Debian DVDs, either one of them or all of them? Or could you download them to an external hard drive? |
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| 20:53.31 | zhxk | vimulse:i can star debian on kvm |
| 20:53.42 | unixluser | vimpulse: yeah, i was thinking about getting packages from a different location |
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| 20:53.55 | cptblood | 3-4kb/s? that's not even 56.6kbps modem speed |
| 20:54.05 | unixluser | vimpulse: i tried apt-zip to automate the thing, but it won't fetch pending-install packages- only upgrades |
| 20:54.14 | zhxkII | hello, what will happen if a motherboard is replaced? |
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| 20:54.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | you'll have a new motherboard |
| 20:54.36 | vimpulse | zhxk: I do not understand you well enough to help you. Do not ask me for help with your question. I will not help you with it. But I can help you find other sources of help if you want. Which do you prefer: a LUG or a mailing list? |
| 20:54.39 | cptblood | hehe |
| 20:54.45 | jelly-home | zhxkII: with debian? it'll likely just work, except the network config might need small fixes |
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| 20:55.11 | unixluser | i'm not sure it's even a serious quesiton |
| 20:55.16 | unixluser | *question even |
| 20:55.41 | vimpulse | unixluser: you're not sure *what's* even a serious question? :) |
| 20:55.49 | zhxkII | CutMeOwnThroat: I could say so |
| 20:55.57 | unixluser | vimpulse: zhxkII's |
| 20:55.58 | SHAGGSTaRR | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 20:55.59 | cognitiaclaeves | I need to get vmware tools installed on lenny. What are my options. |
| 20:56.06 | PerfDave | cognitiaclaeves: Ask #vmware |
| 20:56.08 | pantelis | hi im in sid i nave a problem with the dvd i burn with brasero and k3b none of them seems to contain anything |
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| 20:56.12 | jelly-home | zhxkII: this debian installation I'm using right is on its fourth of fifth hardware. |
| 20:56.15 | unixluser | anyway.. sleepy |
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| 20:56.29 | SHAGGSTaRR | I have a problem |
| 20:56.45 | SHAGGSTaRR | I've added my user to the audio group but can't run alsamixer as anyone other than root |
| 20:56.56 | zhxkII | vimpulse:what is LUG |
| 20:56.59 | vimpulse | SHAGGSTaRR: so you should run it as root. |
| 20:57.04 | jelly-home | SHAGGSTaRR: have you logged out and back in again? |
| 20:57.05 | cognitiaclaeves | PerfDave: I found a solution in vmware's forums, but it requires a lib that is no longer accessible, for some reason, in debian's package system. |
| 20:57.07 | cahoot | SHAGGSTaRR: logout/login |
| 20:57.09 | PerfDave | SHAGGSTaRR: What happens when you try to run alsamixer as root? |
| 20:57.10 | SHAGGSTaRR | I cant get audio as anything as root |
| 20:57.14 | SHAGGSTaRR | thats what started the problem |
| 20:57.16 | PerfDave | cognitiaclaeves: So ask VMware for a solution? |
| 20:57.18 | SHAGGSTaRR | PerfDave: it runs |
| 20:57.21 | cognitiaclaeves | ... and I did ask #vmware. |
| 20:57.24 | SHAGGSTaRR | just not as an unpriveleged user |
| 20:57.30 | PerfDave | SHAGGSTaRR: What happens when you try to run alsamixer as non-root? |
| 20:57.34 | SHAGGSTaRR | alright, brb logging out/in |
| 20:57.34 | ajavid | is it possible to upgrade some few packages for e2fsprogs/dev etc. in lenny so that lenny can mount ext4 volumes? or does one have to use squeeze? |
| 20:57.40 | SHAGGSTaRR | PerfDave: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
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| 20:57.45 | vimpulse | zhxkII: a LUG is a club that meets and helps people install and use Linux. |
| 20:57.55 | jelly-home | ajavid: e2fsprogs in lenny are fresh enough for ext4 |
| 20:57.59 | PerfDave | SHAGGSTaRR: Have you tried logging out and in after adding yourself to group "audio"? |
| 20:58.04 | vimpulse | zhxkII: there is a LUG in almost every big city. what city do you live in? |
| 20:58.14 | zhxkII | !tell me about LUG |
| 20:58.32 | vimpulse | / /msg dpkg LUG |
| 20:58.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | zhxkII, :) nothing happens, just the obvious stuff - if there's hardware that the linux kernel doesn't recognize, it won't work, else it should be ok - even xorg is now autodetected, there's no specialized k7 kernels anymore... *shrug* |
| 20:58.54 | SHAGGSTaRR | ah it worked, thanks |
| 20:59.08 | SHAGGSTaRR | PerfDave: Yeah, didnt know I had to restart the X session. thanks |
| 20:59.16 | jelly-home | ajavid: you'll need a newer kernel than what's in lenny, and possibly use grub2 if your /boot is on ext4 |
| 20:59.21 | PerfDave | SHAGGSTaRR: Group permissions are set on user login :) |
| 20:59.39 | PerfDave | SHAGGSTaRR: You can always check by running "groups" or "id" at a command prompt :) |
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| 20:59.52 | jelly-home | ajavid: I think I had to backport some bits, but not e2fsprogs |
| 20:59.58 | sylarrr | I see drbd 8.3 is not even on sid |
| 20:59.59 | NiLon | is there something special about using sockets in screen? I have app that works fine without screen but then when I put it in screen it will like split strings with random factor |
| 21:00.11 | ajavid | jelly-home, know anything about removing extents from ext4 and perhaps downgrading to ext3 again? |
| 21:00.26 | ajavid | I would really rather stick to lenny for this box |
| 21:00.48 | PerfDave | sylarrr: It's in lenny-backports apparently? |
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| 21:01.24 | sylarrr | PerfDave, is that a question? |
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| 21:01.32 | zhxkII | CutMeOwnThroat: well, i don't know why i can't boot debian that is not installed with the same configuratoon now |
| 21:01.36 | jelly-home | ajavid: I don't. |
| 21:01.39 | PerfDave | sylarrr: It's a rhetorical question |
| 21:01.50 | zhxk | well, i don't know why i can't boot debian that is not installed with the same configuratoon now |
| 21:01.53 | stew | judd: versions drbd8-source |
| 21:01.53 | judd | stew: drbd8-source -- etch-backports: 2:8.0.14-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 2:8.0.14-2 sid: 2:8.0.14-2 lenny-backports: 2:8.3.0-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2:8.3.0-1 sid: 2:8.3.1-1 squeeze: 2:8.3.1-1 |
| 21:02.11 | sylarrr | PerfDave, it is nowhere |
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| 21:02.30 | PerfDave | sylarrr: That's not what http://packages.debian.org/ says |
| 21:02.31 | stew | sylarrr: 8.3 is in sid, squeeze, and lenny-backports |
| 21:02.38 | jelly-home | ajavid: but like I said, we have a lenny box with ext3 running ok so far; we use custom kernels anyway |
| 21:02.43 | jelly-home | ajavid: er, ext4 |
| 21:02.54 | sylarrr | stew, why does packages.debian.org not show it? |
| 21:03.05 | PerfDave | packages.debian.org shows it for me |
| 21:03.23 | stew | sylarrr: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=drbd8-source |
| 21:03.37 | jelly-home | ajavid: you always have the traditional route; backup, reformat, restore |
| 21:03.54 | ajavid | ugh |
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| 21:04.04 | ajavid | ttrying to avoid that actually |
| 21:04.11 | jelly-home | don't |
| 21:04.18 | ajavid | well |
| 21:04.26 | ajavid | my dumbass went and ... ahhf uck it |
| 21:04.41 | jelly-home | ... you should have backups anyway, so making a final incremental isn't that bad |
| 21:04.43 | ajavid | I'll just use squeeze |
| 21:04.55 | ajavid | jelly-home, I just bought a 1tb drive for backups of my important media |
| 21:05.16 | vimpulse | zhxkII: there is a LUG in almost every big city. what city do you live in? |
| 21:05.18 | jelly-home | ajavid: just one drive? |
| 21:05.31 | ajavid | I had 1.5tb before that |
| 21:05.37 | ajavid | now i have 2.5 |
| 21:05.42 | sylarrr | stew, I didn't search drbd8-source, just drbd, now I see it. Anyway, do you think the latest is most reliable here? |
| 21:05.46 | manu_hack | so my laptop is still hot, i think the fan is screwed |
| 21:05.48 | jelly-home | ajavid: didn't you hear hard disks die! |
| 21:06.00 | PerfDave | sylarrr: Newer is not always better :) |
| 21:06.02 | ajavid | yeh |
| 21:06.10 | zhxk | can some one help me to diagnose what have be preventing debian from booting to desktop, after printing "Boot the kernel"? |
| 21:06.11 | ajavid | brb |
| 21:06.43 | stew | sylarrr: i'm not familiar enough with drbd to know |
| 21:06.45 | sylarrr | PerfDave, I know, they just have some new features for version 8, so maybe it has bugs |
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| 21:07.00 | sylarrr | stew, ok, thanks |
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| 21:07.23 | PerfDave | sylarrr: That could be one reason why it didn't make it into Lenny :) |
| 21:07.41 | sylarrr | PerfDave, exactly, ... |
| 21:07.51 | vimpulse | zhxk: why did you not answer my question? |
| 21:07.55 | zhxkII | can some one help me to diagnose what have be preventing debian from booting to desktop, after printing "Boot the kernel"? |
| 21:08.13 | sylarrr | PerfDave, but lenny has 8.0.14 < 8.3 |
| 21:08.14 | zhxkII | vimpulse:which question? |
| 21:08.19 | vimpulse | zhxkII: there is a LUG in almost every big city. what city do you live in? |
| 21:08.31 | sylarrr | PerfDave, and there is dual primary since version 8 |
| 21:08.35 | PerfDave | zhxkII: Asking the same question from two clients <120 seconds apart does not encourage people to help you |
| 21:08.36 | zhxkII | vimpulse, i live in china |
| 21:08.37 | stew | zhxkII: try rebuilding your initrd |
| 21:08.44 | vimpulse | zhxkII: what city in china? |
| 21:08.46 | PerfDave | sylarrr: Yes. Lenny has 8.0.14, lenny-backports has 8.3.something |
| 21:08.54 | zhxkII | Wenzhou |
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| 21:10.46 | sylarrr | PerfDave, there seem to be many things fixed in 8.3.1 over 8.3.0 http://git.drbd.org/?p=drbd-8.3.git;a=blob;f=ChangeLog;hb=HEAD |
| 21:11.22 | PerfDave | sylarrr: But over 8.0.14? :) |
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| 21:11.33 | PerfDave | sylarrr: Use the backport if you want, but it's your risk :) |
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| 21:12.08 | sylarrr | PerfDave, I don't know because many things were added, so maybe 8.0.14 is perfect without new nonsense |
| 21:12.14 | PerfDave | sylarrr: Suck it and see? |
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| 21:12.23 | sylarrr | PerfDave, sure |
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| 21:13.38 | mythomaniac | anyone here know much about Xephyr? |
| 21:13.52 | vimpulse | zhxkII: I couldn't find a LUG in your city, but I found one in your province. See http://google.com/search?q=Hangzhou|Haining|Ningbo|Jiaxing|Huzhou|Wenzhou|Shaoxing|Zhoushan|Yiwu|Taizhou+linux+user+group -- does that help you? |
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| 21:14.33 | zhxk | stew: how to rebuild initrd |
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| 21:14.50 | Death_BuBBle | i have mailx installed but it's not sending mail.. what should i do? |
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| 21:15.18 | ringo999 | hi I have been trying to install a self built kernel using make-kpkg. Everything goes well, however, when I restart, I'm still stuck at the old one. The symbolic links for initrm.img and vmlinuz where also still pointing to the old kernel. Even changes those manually didn't help. Any idea? |
| 21:15.18 | PerfDave | Death_BuBBle: I'd panic. |
| 21:15.29 | Death_BuBBle | PerfDave: i did that... |
| 21:15.31 | PerfDave | ringo999: Which version of Debian are you using? |
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| 21:15.45 | vimpulse | zhxk: or subscribe to http://lists.debian.org/debian-chinese-gb/ |
| 21:15.49 | PerfDave | Death_BuBBle: What do you mean "it's not sending mail"? How are you expecting it to send mail, and what is it doing? |
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| 21:16.00 | stew | zhxk: "update-initramfs -u -k all" |
| 21:16.08 | ringo999 | PerfDave: lenny 2.6.26 kernel... i need 2.6.27 for wireless to work properly |
| 21:16.32 | Death_BuBBle | PerfDave i type mailx -s "TEST" my@email.addy ..... |
| 21:16.45 | Death_BuBBle | and i don't get the email |
| 21:16.53 | PerfDave | Death_BuBBle: How do you expect mailx to deliver e-mail? |
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| 21:17.09 | zhxk | vimpulse: thank you as well, though i never heared about LUG in my province yet |
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| 21:17.16 | ringo999 | PerfDave: any idea? |
| 21:17.23 | amphi | zhxk: start one ;) |
| 21:17.32 | Death_BuBBle | PerfDave: what do you mean? |
| 21:17.49 | PerfDave | ringo999: make-kpkg should give you a .deb you can install which will give you a grub entry for your kernel, if you're doing it right. I think, anwyay, it's been years since I compiled kernels. |
| 21:18.04 | PerfDave | Death_BuBBle: I mean, how do you expect the message you give to mailx to end up in your inbox? |
| 21:18.11 | Death_BuBBle | apt-get install mailx .... it should just work |
| 21:18.28 | ringo999 | PerfDave: well, I will try more time, I've purged the installation |
| 21:18.58 | zhxk | stew:should i do some "backup" jobs before issuing "update-initramfs -u -k all"? |
| 21:19.15 | PerfDave | Death_BuBBle: mailx is just a program, I believe it hands mail off to your system's mail delivery agent, which by default is exim in Debian. I suggest you check /var/log/exim4/mainlog to see what's up, and run "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" to change your mail delivery configuration. |
| 21:19.25 | stew | zhxk: there should be no reason to |
| 21:19.26 | zhxk | amphi:I really glad to start one |
| 21:19.29 | PerfDave | Death_BuBBle: It probably does "just work" for local delivery, but you can't expect non-local mail to "just work"... |
| 21:19.33 | Death_BuBBle | i don't have exim installed |
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| 21:19.52 | Death_BuBBle | mailx should just do it all ;( |
| 21:19.55 | PerfDave | Death_BuBBle: Did you remove it? |
| 21:20.00 | Death_BuBBle | i never installed it |
| 21:20.03 | PerfDave | Death_BuBBle: No, mailx bloody well shouldn't. that's not it's job. |
| 21:20.08 | PerfDave | Death_BuBBle: Are you running Debian? |
| 21:20.11 | Death_BuBBle | yes |
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| 21:20.13 | vimpulse | Death_BuBBle: Use Mozilla Thunderbird instead. |
| 21:20.27 | PerfDave | Death_BuBBle: Then you probably have it installed by default. |
| 21:20.40 | joeyjones | what kernel does debian 5.0 use? |
| 21:20.52 | PerfDave | Death_BuBBle: Or at least, installing mailx should install a mail transport agent, which will default to exim |
| 21:21.08 | PerfDave | Death_BuBBle: How did you install mailx? |
| 21:21.19 | Death_BuBBle | it was already installed |
| 21:21.36 | Death_BuBBle | cos when i typed apt-get install mailx |
| 21:21.37 | Death_BuBBle | it was there |
| 21:21.43 | PerfDave | Death_BuBBle: Do you not have a /var/log/exim4/mainlog ? |
| 21:21.55 | Death_BuBBle | i don't have access to the box atm ;( |
| 21:22.02 | Death_BuBBle | i'd have to go for a drive |
| 21:22.20 | Death_BuBBle | let me get onsite |
| 21:22.42 | joeyjones | PerfDave: if you're running debian 5.0 could you run uname -a for me? |
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| 21:22.50 | Death_BuBBle | just great.. now my leg is asleep |
| 21:22.50 | joeyjones | i want to nkow what kernel it runs |
| 21:22.52 | joeyjones | *know |
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| 21:23.03 | zhxk | stew:how to return to it's original state if it get worse? |
| 21:23.09 | PerfDave | Death_BuBBle: UNIX mail works by mail programs (MUAs) such as mailx or mutt handing e-mails to mail delivery programs (MDAs) such as exim, sendmail or postfix. If you're having trouble delivering non-local mail, then you need to fix your MDA. Your MDA is probably exim, and if that's the case "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" will allow you to reconfigure it. |
| 21:23.26 | PerfDave | joeyjones: Check packages.debian.org ? |
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| 21:23.34 | [Gandhi] | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/04/senator-opens-source-software-needed-for-medical-records.ars |
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| 21:23.57 | [Gandhi] | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/04/senator-opens-source-software-needed-for-medical-records.ars |
| 21:24.16 | unomi | are there any differences between icefox and firefox? |
| 21:24.30 | PerfDave | joeyjones: My Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 install is running a 2.6.26 kernel |
| 21:24.38 | joeyjones | unomi: you mean iceweasel |
| 21:24.42 | joeyjones | PerfDave: thanks |
| 21:24.51 | unomi | right |
| 21:24.58 | joeyjones | i guess it'll be easier to install 5.0 instead of upgrading kernels |
| 21:25.00 | epsas | unomi - no -- different icons |
| 21:25.06 | PerfDave | joeyjones: What are you running now? |
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| 21:25.14 | unomi | so all plugins etc will perform the same? |
| 21:25.16 | joeyjones | 4.0 |
| 21:25.24 | PerfDave | joeyjones: Why install 5.0 when you can upgrade? |
| 21:25.28 | joeyjones | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 21:25.34 | unomi | the user agent will be the same? |
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| 21:26.17 | joeyjones | PerfDave: an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' returns nothing to upgrade |
| 21:26.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | unomi, User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.7) Gecko/2009032803 Iceweasel/3.0.6 (Debian-3.0.6-1) |
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| 21:26.51 | PerfDave | joeyjones: Probably because your sources.list is pointing at etch, not lenny/stable... |
| 21:27.13 | PerfDave | joeyjones: Read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes and upgrade :) |
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| 21:27.16 | mrglin | hi i need a command line program to connect to yahoo and gtalk messenger |
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| 21:27.40 | PerfDave | joeyjones: You probably want http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 21:27.47 | vimpulse | mrglin: IRC to im.starkast.net port 6667 then type "help" to use the Bitlbee IRC-to-IM gateway |
| 21:27.48 | PerfDave | mrglinux: irssi and bitlbee work nicely together |
| 21:27.57 | ersoy | hi, how can i start ssh server on my pc ? (debian 5) |
| 21:28.06 | PerfDave | ersoy: Install it? :) |
| 21:28.17 | meyou | aptitude install openssh-server |
| 21:28.27 | unomi | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 21:28.28 | PerfDave | vimpulse: You're encouraging mrglin to type in his login details to a random gateway? |
| 21:28.29 | ersoy | ssh: /usr/bin/ssh |
| 21:28.30 | mrglin | i could not find this package when i apt-get install BitlBee |
| 21:28.31 | ersoy | ? |
| 21:28.34 | vimpulse | mrglin: oops, starkast is down. I mean im.bitlbee.org:6667 |
| 21:28.36 | jelly-home | joeyjones: though, you're right in that it'll probably take less time to just reformat and install base 5.0 |
| 21:28.41 | meyou | ersoy: that's the client |
| 21:28.43 | meyou | sshd is what you want |
| 21:28.48 | vimpulse | PerfDave: yes, I am non-security-conscious like that |
| 21:28.53 | simonrvn | mrglin: finch |
| 21:28.54 | PerfDave | spanks vimpulse |
| 21:29.17 | ersoy | search sshd but i dont find packages on packages.debian.net |
| 21:29.24 | simonrvn | .org |
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| 21:29.27 | unomi | well, when your *one* password is letmein .. |
| 21:29.31 | ersoy | apt-get install sshd ? |
| 21:29.33 | jelly-home | ersoy: openssh-server |
| 21:29.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | unomi, and /msg dpkg iceweasel user-agent |
| 21:29.39 | PerfDave | right, off to bed |
| 21:29.46 | vimpulse | mrglin: if you use the same password for Gtalk and Yahoo as you do for sensitive things then it is probably safer to install bitlbee locally. |
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| 21:29.55 | simonrvn | openssh-server is the real deal. ssh is just a meta-package. |
| 21:30.44 | simonrvn | good at what? counting? |
| 21:30.51 | simonrvn | quit msg ^^^ |
| 21:30.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | a deal? |
| 21:31.10 | PerfDave | vimpulse: Well, your Gtalk password is going to be valid for an e-mail account, right? :) |
| 21:31.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it read "was einstein good" |
| 21:31.13 | simonrvn | raises his hands in the air in a sign of giving up |
| 21:31.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 21:31.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it read "was einstein god" |
| 21:31.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | easy to make typo :) |
| 21:31.27 | simonrvn | was einstein good (in bed) |
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| 21:31.53 | ersoy | yes, i install openssh-server, how can i do start ? |
| 21:32.09 | ersoy | /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 21:32.10 | PerfDave | ersoy: It should be running automatically |
| 21:32.20 | simonrvn | you "do start" nothing, it should start up auto... |
| 21:32.36 | PerfDave | ersoy: You can control it with "invoke-rc.d ssh {start,stop,restart}" |
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| 21:32.56 | ersoy | how cn i change ssh port ? |
| 21:32.59 | ersoy | how can i change ssh port ? |
| 21:33.03 | mrglinux | how can I run bittilebee is it a program or it's a extension for irssi ? |
| 21:33.20 | epsilon | ersoy: port of ssh-daemon? |
| 21:33.27 | simonrvn | you read its documentation. |
| 21:33.34 | ersoy | epsilon: yes |
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| 21:33.46 | mrglinux | I installed it but there is no command like bitlbee |
| 21:33.57 | epsilon | ersoy: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 21:34.05 | epsilon | edit and reload sshd |
| 21:34.10 | simonrvn | mrglinux: learn your system: apt-cache show bitlbee |
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| 21:35.16 | foetus | today i made my lzma-utils '-fomit-frame-pointer-edition'..without these '-g', you can work with it.. |
| 21:36.00 | ersoy | ok thank u |
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| 21:36.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | mrglinux, perhaps more like dpkg -L bitlbee |grep bin/ |
| 21:36.31 | ersoy | how can i connect only my ip ? deny others ip |
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| 21:37.17 | mrglinux | CutMeOwnThroat it's for only root user |
| 21:37.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
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| 21:39.08 | dondelelcaro | mrglinux: bitlbee can be started by any user. Normally it's started by the root user, though. |
| 21:39.30 | mrglinux | dondelelcaro but it is in only /usr/sbin/bitlbee |
| 21:39.52 | mrglinux | can create link symbolic to /usr/bin ? |
| 21:40.01 | dondelelcaro | mrglinux: so? you can run it /usr/sbin/bitlbee |
| 21:40.10 | ersoy | epsilon: ssh: connect to host m.y.i.p port 22: Connection refused |
| 21:40.11 | dondelelcaro | (or you can become root and start it) |
| 21:40.40 | mrglinux | dondelelcaro when I am root I can run it |
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| 21:44.02 | mrglin | i got this BitlBee (probably) already installed, skipping user/configdir installation |
| 21:44.11 | mrglin | dondelelcaro: ^ |
| 21:44.28 | mrglin | when i reinstall it |
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| 21:45.16 | epsilon | ersoy: well connect to the port you have changed to |
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| 21:46.04 | ersoy | epsilon: i dont change port |
| 21:46.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes you can |
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| 21:46.51 | ersoy | epsilon: ssh m.y.i.p and Connection refused |
| 21:46.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | you said that |
| 21:47.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | so shall we guess now? |
| 21:47.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | what you did? |
| 21:47.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | what the cause is? |
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| 21:47.53 | ersoy | ssh, only run local |
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| 21:49.18 | simonrvn | ersoy: man ssh |
| 21:49.42 | ersoy | ok |
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| 21:50.12 | ersoy | thnks |
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| 21:52.28 | zhxk | excuse me, how to see bootup logs? |
| 21:53.07 | stew | zhxk: /msg dpkg bootlog |
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| 21:53.49 | chuck | How do I use the PostgreSQL command line utilities in Debian? |
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| 21:54.00 | chuck | Debian says this: |
| 21:54.00 | chuck | charlie@li84-239:~$ sudo psql |
| 21:54.00 | chuck | psql: FATAL: Ident authentication failed for user "root" |
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| 21:55.02 | simNIX | you do know your root password ? |
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| 21:55.52 | jelly-home | chuck: run it as user postgres? |
| 21:56.16 | chuck | Oh, thanks :P |
| 21:56.18 | simNIX | good pick up ... |
| 21:56.26 | simNIX | should indeed say psql .. |
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| 21:56.57 | jelly-home | wonders what ":P" is supposed to mean, next to a thanks |
| 21:57.27 | fmr | I've a problem, make -jX does not start many instances of g++... since I've reinstalled my lenny, some ideas ? |
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| 21:58.09 | Polarina | fmr: Replace X with a number. |
| 21:58.14 | fmr | ahahaha |
| 21:58.16 | stew | jelly-home: "and here's a lick for your troubles" |
| 21:58.26 | fmr | Polarina: funny |
| 21:58.31 | Polarina | fmr: No, I am serious. |
| 21:58.36 | jelly-home | stew: aww! |
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| 21:59.12 | fmr | Polarina: erf :/ I need help, not clown |
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| 21:59.34 | simNIX | maybe you want to issue dmesg|less ? |
| 21:59.53 | stew | zhxk: /var/log/boot ; see /msg dpkg bootlog |
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| 22:05.38 | cy | Hi.. Has anyone recently tried to use emacspeak with espeak? |
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| 22:07.28 | chuck | What do I need to do to be able to install Sun's Java packages? |
| 22:07.42 | pipegeek | I just upgraded from etch to lenny, and everything went smoothly... except that I get an error whenever I try to install a kernel image. |
| 22:07.59 | adama_ | chuck: /msg dpkg java |
| 22:08.12 | pipegeek | It fails in mkinitramfs-kpkg |
| 22:08.12 | cy | couldn't load file "/usr/share/emacs22/site-lisp/emacspeak/servers/linux-espeak/libtclespeak.so": /usr/share/emacs22/site-lisp/emacspeak/servers/linux-espeak/libtclespea\ |
| 22:08.12 | cy | k.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:08.39 | pipegeek | complaining that /initrd.img points to /boot/initrd.img-blah-blah... even though it *made* that symlink |
| 22:08.46 | csy- | hey guys got the following error when trying to install libc6 .. http://pastebin.ca/1406695 |
| 22:08.48 | cy | So it's being distributed without libtclespeak.so, that's a big bug or a user error.. tell me which please |
| 22:08.49 | pipegeek | any idea what's going on here? |
| 22:09.04 | csy- | but i don't particularly want to upgrade the kernel as i'm not 100% confident doing it :x |
| 22:09.24 | dondelelcaro | csy-: well, then you can't upgrade libc6 |
| 22:09.51 | dondelelcaro | csy-: why you're upgrading from etch directly to unstable is beyond me, though. |
| 22:10.18 | csy- | i hadn't realised lenny was released which obviously i have now |
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| 22:11.25 | csy- | let me see how far i can get with lenny i guess :x |
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| 22:11.54 | csy- | ok lenny did libc6 ok, i guess is it a bug? |
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| 22:14.28 | zhxk | excuse me how/by what mean to read boot up logs? |
| 22:14.43 | stew | zhxk: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 22:15.29 | zhxk | stew:i want to read boot up prints |
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| 22:15.48 | stew | zhxk: did you "/msg dpkg bootlog"? |
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| 22:16.09 | zhxk | stew:i want to read anything that can be loged during boot period |
| 22:16.12 | pipegeek | oh, apologies---it's update-grub that's dying |
| 22:16.15 | pipegeek | not sure why yet |
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| 22:16.39 | stew | dpkg: tell zhxk about bootlog |
| 22:16.43 | zhxk | stew: how to "/msg dpkg bootlog"? |
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| 22:16.55 | stew | zhxk: the bot named dpkg just sent you a /msg |
| 22:16.58 | zhxk | !bootlog |
| 22:16.58 | dpkg | well, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
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| 22:19.05 | muhah | how can i change an applications cpu use ? |
| 22:19.08 | pipegeek | aha. It's a conflict between grsec and update-grub |
| 22:19.51 | muhah | for example if i want to reduce the cpu use of an app that uses 90%+ cpu ? |
| 22:20.17 | zhxk | stew:does it right that if bootlogd can't log no other program can log in debian? |
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| 22:20.27 | zhxk | stew:does it right that if bootlogd can't log no other program can log eihter in debian? |
| 22:20.50 | zhxk | does it mean that if bootlogd can't log no other program can log eihter in debian? |
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| 22:21.17 | stew | zhxk: possibly. if you aren't getting /var mounted (or / if /var is inside /) then nothing can log to /var/log, of course |
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| 22:23.08 | faffi | anyone know why i wouldnt be able to get an IP from the dhcp server after changing my wifi mac address |
| 22:23.41 | azeem | faffi: some wlan routers filter on mac adresses |
| 22:24.17 | zhxk | stew:how to clean all logs ? just rm -rf /var/logs ? |
| 22:24.36 | stew | zhxk: NO |
| 22:25.37 | faffi | jesus christ no |
| 22:25.37 | stew | zhxk: you don't want to delete directories in /var/logs |
| 22:25.37 | stew | zhxk: why do you want to delete all logs? |
| 22:25.41 | stew | zhxk: if you were to do what you propose, you'd be missing directories with no good way to recreate them, and the permissions on your logfiles would be wrong until they are rotated |
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| 22:27.33 | ajavid | gu |
| 22:28.35 | ajavid | I mean hi. There is no factoid in dpkg for ufbdev, and I looked it up and supposedly it can support my 1680x1050 mode. How can I install this kernel module (or does it come with the kernel?) and its userspace coutnerpart for my desired resolution |
| 22:29.00 | ajavid | I didn't find any ufbdev packages in debian either |
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| 22:30.19 | unomi | what IMs can you guys recommend? |
| 22:30.29 | ajavid | pidgin all the way |
| 22:30.35 | unomi | I was using pidgin, wondering if there is something else |
| 22:30.36 | unomi | ah |
| 22:30.38 | unomi | yeah ok |
| 22:30.41 | ajavid | there are many others |
| 22:30.53 | ajavid | I personally prefer pidgin, I used to use kopete in kde3 |
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| 22:31.12 | unomi | pidgin is nice, but having some comms trouble with msn in particular |
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| 22:31.32 | unomi | but i guess most are based on libpurple anyway |
| 22:31.57 | zhxk | stew: i haven't to do that yet |
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| 22:33.26 | plsd | unomi, use xmpp if you can convince your friends to start using it too http://xmpp.org/tech/overview.shtml |
| 22:34.47 | plsd | Gajim and Psi are good clients. Pidgin is ok too I think. |
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| 22:39.05 | Hasanibrahim | hello all, |
| 22:39.18 | Hasanibrahim | what's wrong in this code do you think ? |
| 22:39.25 | Hasanibrahim | find -name "*.gif"|while read f;do convert -resize 200x38 "$f" "../myfile/$f";done |
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| 22:40.02 | Hasanibrahim | it must convert gif files' size to 200 x 38 |
| 22:40.23 | Hasanibrahim | but when i try it, it convert 200 x ** or *** x 38 |
| 22:40.51 | \amethyst | Hasanibrahim: if the aspect ratio is wrong, do you want to stretch/compress it, or crop it? |
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| 22:41.11 | Hasanibrahim | no, i want to stretch/compress |
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| 22:42.08 | Hasanibrahim | \amethyst: it is converting but not both 200 x 38 :( |
| 22:42.32 | \amethyst | Hasanibrahim: use convert -resize '200x38!' |
| 22:42.50 | Hasanibrahim | ok, i am trying |
| 22:43.13 | \amethyst | Hasanibrahim: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-processing.php#geometry |
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| 22:44.55 | Hasanibrahim | \amethyst: than you very much |
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| 22:48.30 | unomi1 | what is a recommended way to get sound support? |
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| 22:50.11 | Polarina | unomi: Do nothing is the most common method. |
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| 22:52.07 | unomi | Polarina: but what if I would like sound? |
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| 22:52.54 | Polarina | unomi: Sound should work automatically. |
| 22:52.56 | unomi | I started from a base install, and I am wondering about alsa vs pulse vs esound vs oss |
| 22:53.21 | unomi | and which one would be a nice, stable, bloatfree solution |
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| 22:55.06 | simonrvn | unomi: alsa - new linux sound api; oss - old one; pulseaudio - meant to be a better esd with lowlat and other features; esd - old crap even gnome doesn't use anymore |
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| 22:55.38 | simonrvn | unomi: that help make up your mind? |
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| 22:58.42 | unomi | simonrvn: thanks for that :) |
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| 22:58.52 | unomi | also stumbled over this which is pretty interesting: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-831125.html |
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| 23:00.18 | zhxk | well, I do have booted my system by simplely correct the "Waiting for the root filesystem" issue |
| 23:01.47 | v4nelle | guys there is any problem or is really that wine has samba as dep? |
| 23:02.13 | unomi | on installing pulse its telling me that I need to install bind9 dns server.. and some gnome stuff |
| 23:02.40 | themill | v4nelle: precisely which packages are involved? |
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| 23:03.20 | zhxk | !wait for the file system |
| 23:03.51 | zhxk | !wait for the file system |
| 23:04.11 | themill | v4nelle: I presume you mean smbclient not samba. Try "aptitude why wine smbclient" for more information. |
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| 23:04.32 | manu_hack | just cleaned the fan, now the temp is fine, so 2.6.29 is the right thing to blame :) |
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| 23:05.47 | manu_hack | btw, i have 2 toshiba laptops and both need cleaning from time to time, not so for HP, probably a design flaw or something |
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| 23:11.39 | jpinx-eeepc | has an old T8000 toshia that needs cleaning often in this environment |
| 23:11.48 | jpinx-eeepc | *toshiba |
| 23:13.07 | ajavid | have you ever attempted to use ufbdev ? |
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| 23:22.10 | jpinx-eeepc | is it "common" for a PCMCIA wifi card to just die? |
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| 23:24.09 | jpinx-eeepc | and is there any way I can decide if it's truly dead or just playing possum? |
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| 23:25.42 | TiMiDo | !squeeze |
| 23:25.42 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the Xfce archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze |
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| 23:28.32 | v4nelle | themill, i mean samba-common |
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| 23:29.44 | v4nelle | themill, i find it...it needit for printing on wine |
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| 23:31.48 | robd | Hey guys |
| 23:31.51 | robd | I've got an interesting question |
| 23:32.01 | beardy | Without a display manager, how does one simplest, nicest and easiest select between different window managers now again? |
| 23:32.31 | dkr | edit your .xinitrc file to exec /path/to/wm at the end |
| 23:32.31 | abrotman | !.xsession |
| 23:32.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 23:32.37 | robd | I'm using a Dell 2950 server which has the bnx2 drivers that everyone here hates... So I need to somehow install firmware-bnx2 before the netinst cd fully boots so I can get actual network access to do the install... |
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| 23:32.47 | abrotman | !installer firmware |
| 23:32.47 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html , http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html and http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to |
| 23:32.48 | robd | Any tips / tricks, or am I an idiot and they included firmware-bnx2 on the netinst cd? |
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| 23:33.06 | robd | abrotman: Wow, you rule |
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| 23:33.28 | abrotman | robd: a small province in the south of alabama |
| 23:33.29 | themill | v4nelle: it's only included via a Recommends though. /msg dpkg apt recommends |
| 23:33.47 | v4nelle | ok.thx |
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| 23:33.51 | robd | abrotman: Why not something worthwhile like Monaco? |
| 23:34.01 | v4nelle | i must disable recommends |
| 23:34.08 | robd | abrotman: South of France > Alabama |
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| 23:34.13 | abrotman | robd: grits .. it's all about the grits :) |
| 23:34.19 | robd | abrotman: ahhh |
| 23:34.31 | abrotman | hopes someone sees the humor |
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| 23:35.22 | beardy | Ok. "Write your own startx-wrapper with selection." I guess. |
| 23:35.43 | stew | beardy: selector for what? |
| 23:35.52 | beardy | stew: window manager to use |
| 23:35.58 | stew | beardy: see the wmanager package |
| 23:35.59 | robd | abrotman: So question, why doesn't Debian provide a "non-free" installation CD instead of doing the "insert another cd to load your firmware" like Microsoft did in 1996...? |
| 23:36.09 | abrotman | robd: honestly .. no idea |
| 23:36.28 | abrotman | robd: i wondered that before .. but never followed up to find out |
| 23:36.32 | stew | beardy: its great, you can run it in a loop from xsession, then kill one window manager, and have it prompt you to start another |
| 23:36.41 | et | why does anyone use discs to install stuff ;) |
| 23:36.41 | beardy | stew: Cool, looks nice. :) |
| 23:36.42 | abrotman | besides it would ruin the free-ness of debian |
| 23:37.00 | robd | would like open source fanatics to think about reality every once in a while and include useful things like... drivers. |
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| 23:37.25 | dondelelcaro | robd: good question. Why haven't you provided a non-free installation CD? |
| 23:37.33 | robd | dondelelcaro: Working on it now! |
| 23:37.36 | martin_ | if i install kshell from apt will that overwrite all my settings, or can I just install it and use it with #!/bin/ksh? |
| 23:37.41 | stew | robd: if you are looking for a distro that puts convenience over whether or not software is free, debian isn't for you |
| 23:37.50 | dondelelcaro | (though I should point out that kmuto already has done most of that) |
| 23:38.10 | abrotman | stew: sure, but they provide non-free for convenience .. why not a non-free installer |
| 23:38.23 | stew | abrotman: go for it |
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| 23:38.39 | abrotman | stew: i don't have to .. dannf did it for me! .. i was just wondering what the historical reasons were |
| 23:39.01 | stew | abrotman: see the overly long discussion on many mailing lists |
| 23:39.04 | jaggz- | Why do my bash regex's not work anymore? if [[ "$1" =~ "^[lL]$" ]]; then |
| 23:39.04 | abrotman | then you could have the 'firmware' question go away,and still have your cake! |
| 23:39.13 | jaggz- | (I'm asking in #bash too) |
| 23:39.16 | robd | dondelelcaro: oh, awesome. Where can I grab a fully loaded install cd? |
| 23:39.53 | debianNooB21 | hello all, how can I sort the directory name's of 'du'? |
| 23:40.06 | abrotman | !tell robd about kmuto |
| 23:40.09 | stew | debianNooB21: by name or by size? |
| 23:40.11 | abrotman | !tell robd about firmware installer |
| 23:40.26 | debianNooB21 | stew: by name |
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| 23:40.52 | abrotman | !tell robd about installer firmware |
| 23:40.57 | stew | debianNooB21: du | awk '{print $2 " " $1}' | sort |
| 23:41.12 | robd | abrotman: solid, thanks! |
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| 23:41.13 | debianNooB21 | thanks stew. |
| 23:41.18 | robd | abrotman: You officially rule today |
| 23:41.21 | abrotman | robd: those are two different options |
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| 23:41.30 | robd | abrotman: I think I'm more interested in kmuto |
| 23:41.43 | wat | i havent booted debian since april 11 lol |
| 23:41.54 | abrotman | robd: up to you .. i'd guess one advantage to the 'installer firmware' is that it's the 'official' kernel |
| 23:42.16 | robd | abrotman: oh... |
| 23:42.19 | robd | abrotman: thanks for the heads up |
| 23:44.19 | robd | abrotman: Just curious, can I use kmuto to install and then keep all the upstream Debian packages or am I on a different repository all together? |
| 23:44.34 | abrotman | robd: just your kernel is different AFAIK |
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| 23:45.28 | robd | abrotman: Any way to force the default Lenny kernel + firmware-bnx2 or is that not the point of this... |
| 23:45.32 | wat | the only game i really play anymore is world of warcraft, if i can get it to run on debian i will probably never run windows again lol |
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| 23:45.47 | robd | abrotman: (I'm just trying to avoid having to run to the store for a USB key) |
| 23:45.51 | abrotman | robd: that second thing tells you how to create a CD with the firmware |
| 23:46.01 | robd | abrotman: Okay thanks |
| 23:46.17 | robd | abrotman: Sorry for all the confusion, haven't looked at Debian closely in two years |
| 23:46.19 | abrotman | the dannf script |
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| 23:46.25 | robd | abrotman: Thanks for the support though |
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| 23:56.47 | Matias_ | Hi guys! |
| 23:56.50 | Matias_ | I have a problem |
| 23:57.25 | Matias_ | I can't connect my mobile to my Debian system |
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| 23:57.40 | Matias_ | logs here: http://www.pastebin.ca/1406781 |
| 23:57.45 | Matias_ | (sorry for my english) |
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| 23:58.11 | abrotman | are you trying to use it as storage or communications? |
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| 23:58.34 | abrotman | seems calling, and seems to be crashing |
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| 23:58.44 | Matias_ | masive storage abrotman |
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| 23:58.50 | abrotman | oh .. |
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| 23:59.00 | abrotman | Matias_: uname -a .. what does it say ? |
| 23:59.03 | _impuls | Hey guys. Anyone got an idea why a openvpn tun0 device would send the IP of my local eth0 as its source address? |
| 23:59.05 | zhxk | abrotman,stew, i have solved my problem now |
| 23:59.18 | pyrohotdog | When I click my applications menu, nothing drops down. And, alacarte won't launch?! |
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| 23:59.42 | Matias_ | abrotman, Linux localhost 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Mar 27 04:02:59 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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