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| 00:00.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matias_, seems google is full with "Sense Key : Medium Error" |
| 00:00.50 | abrotman | v4nelle: to do what? |
| 00:01.07 | abrotman | v4nelle: to purge pacakges with just conf files remaining? |
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| 00:01.14 | v4nelle | to remove configuration files of removed apps |
| 00:01.19 | v4nelle | yeas |
| 00:01.21 | v4nelle | yes* |
| 00:02.09 | abrotman | v4nelle: i don't think there is .. but you can use dpkg -P to do it |
| 00:02.19 | ajavid | I have hda intel alc885 analog chipset sound thingy. I got no sound. I went through the alsa checklist, not sure what else to do |
| 00:02.37 | pyrohotdog | How can I fix my application menu? |
| 00:02.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matias_, mostly pointing at faulty hardware of the "disk"? |
| 00:02.56 | ajavid | pyrohotdog, install 'menu' package and update-menus |
| 00:03.05 | v4nelle | ok abrotman ..thx |
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| 00:04.01 | Matias_ | CutMeOwnThroat, whats ? sorry, I don't understand |
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| 00:04.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matias_, http://www.google.com/search?q=Sense Key : Medium Error |
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| 00:08.46 | Matias_ | CutMeOwnThroat, thank you, I'm reading |
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| 00:14.37 | ajavid | my sound is no more |
| 00:15.14 | dvs | what? ;-) |
| 00:15.24 | Matias_ | CutMeOwnThroat, I don't know how can I solve it :S |
| 00:15.45 | Dassu | You were going to tell but I said dont so I cut your tongue |
| 00:15.48 | jparishy | Hey, i have installed my wifi drivers and i can scan for networks from the terminal and network manager sees my device, yet when i click on the icon in my task bar it just brings up the properties, instead of providing a list of access points |
| 00:15.50 | Dassu | Rhymes ? |
| 00:15.52 | jparishy | Am I doing something wrong? |
| 00:16.03 | mythomaniac | anyone here know much about xserver-xephyr? |
| 00:16.26 | abrotman | !ask |
| 00:16.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 00:17.50 | mythomaniac | ok |
| 00:18.01 | ajavid | dvs, I used to have sound, now I don't |
| 00:18.28 | ajavid | alc885 ich10 hda intel thingy |
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| 00:19.44 | ajavid | keeps telling me that permission is denied. I am in the fucking group of audio, and I should be able to play it |
| 00:19.53 | ajavid | fucking root can, but I can't, aint that some shit |
| 00:20.01 | unomi | having some embarrassing issues here |
| 00:20.06 | ajavid | I logged out ALL the way, and then back in, and even still |
| 00:20.19 | unomi | flashplugin only works as root |
| 00:20.37 | ajavid | wtf seriously man, this thing sucks balls |
| 00:20.53 | unomi | what does? |
| 00:21.06 | dvs | ajavid: And when you type "groups", audio is in the list? |
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| 00:21.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, what does "groups" say? |
| 00:22.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh |
| 00:22.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !echo |
| 00:22.33 | dpkg | ECHO...ECHo...ECho...Echo...echo...cho...ho...o....... |
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| 00:23.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, groups are not automagic, you need to re-login |
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| 00:24.12 | tosmo | i've just freshly installed squeeze, now sound is not working (snd_hda_intel). it worked before, any idea how to check where the problem is? (mixer is not muted) |
| 00:24.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !alsa checklist |
| 00:24.36 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 00:25.00 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, hang on |
| 00:25.10 | ajavid | $>groups |
| 00:25.10 | ajavid | ajavid audio |
| 00:25.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | so "cat dsp" does give you permission denied from that shell? |
| 00:26.02 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net:80/34703/ |
| 00:26.16 | ajavid | its not a permission issue anymore |
| 00:26.24 | ajavid | look here |
| 00:26.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not permission denied |
| 00:26.43 | ajavid | I just removed snd-hda-intel and inserted it again |
| 00:26.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 00:26.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's your sound device already in use |
| 00:26.58 | ajavid | that seemed to make the permission thingy go away |
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| 00:27.00 | ajavid | but now this |
| 00:27.09 | ajavid | well yes, but how could it be in use? |
| 00:27.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably a sound daemon running |
| 00:27.27 | amphi | ajavid: lsof might reveal the mystery |
| 00:27.31 | mythomaniac | i'm trying to get Xnest (same thing happens with xserver-xephyr) set up, but when i issue the commands: Xnest :1 & and then xterm -display localhost:1; xterm comes up but when issue the command, withing xtem that is within Xnest, gnome-session i get: "Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on 'localhost:1.0'; gnome-session: you are already running a session manager" - can anyone help me get this up and running? |
| 00:27.52 | ajavid | $>lsof|grep snd |
| 00:27.52 | ajavid | kmix 31240 ajavid 10u CHR 116,0 0t0 166383 /dev/snd/controlC0 |
| 00:27.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, try (as root) fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/* |
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| 00:27.55 | ajavid | just kmix |
| 00:28.14 | ajavid | already found it, kmix |
| 00:28.25 | ajavid | I remember turning off kde sound daemon |
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| 00:28.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should only open the mixer device, though |
| 00:28.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | not the sound device |
| 00:29.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. preventing you from using other mixers, not from playing sound |
| 00:29.24 | amphi | that shouldn't matter - what's using /dev/dsp ? |
| 00:29.45 | ajavid | 31206 ? Sl 0:11 /usr/bin/knotify4 |
| 00:29.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | he only grepped for snd :) |
| 00:29.50 | ajavid | /dev/dsp: 31206 |
| 00:29.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | right, that's it |
| 00:30.06 | amphi | and the mystery process is? |
| 00:30.13 | ajavid | knofity5 |
| 00:30.14 | ajavid | 4 |
| 00:30.19 | ajavid | fuck, knotify4 |
| 00:30.21 | ajavid | I think |
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| 00:30.29 | ajavid | yup |
| 00:30.32 | mythomaniac | cries |
| 00:30.37 | ajavid | knotify4 31206 ajavid 15w CHR 14,3 0t0 166358 /dev/dsp |
| 00:30.39 | et | not notktify3 by chance? |
| 00:30.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !comfort mythomaniac |
| 00:30.41 | dpkg | There, there, mythomaniac. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:30.53 | mythomaniac | hehe thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 00:31.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 00:31.15 | amphi | et: noktify, nice |
| 00:31.29 | octoserver | should i have a commnd called -:0 and -:1 ? |
| 00:31.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | why not |
| 00:31.52 | octoserver | oh, ok :) |
| 00:32.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you didn't ask what it was :) |
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| 00:33.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | mythomaniac, check the DISPLAY within your xterm |
| 00:33.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, although that looks like :0 |
| 00:33.26 | octoserver | i didnt really care as long as no one said, OMG kill it quick before turns your box into the north side of a south bound dog |
| 00:33.28 | ajavid | ok great |
| 00:33.32 | ajavid | sound is back |
| 00:33.44 | ajavid | I guess kde4 installation fucked it up, damn kde4!! |
| 00:33.47 | ajavid | shakes a fist |
| 00:33.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | octoserver, you're running 2 X servers? |
| 00:33.58 | octoserver | ahhh so i am lol |
| 00:34.05 | ajavid | cuz I was wondering all i did was try kde and no more sound |
| 00:34.14 | ajavid | thanks guys |
| 00:34.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | octoserver, it's the shell or so that is bound to the X session |
| 00:34.26 | ajavid | overlooking some dumb mundane detail |
| 00:34.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | octoserver, "the login shell" for the graphical login, kind of |
| 00:35.04 | octoserver | hmm cool, i there alway one of them fro each X ? |
| 00:35.10 | octoserver | is* |
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| 00:35.32 | ajavid | alright |
| 00:35.42 | ajavid | now I need to get DRI to work, I think it was working |
| 00:35.43 | mythomaniac | CutMeOwnThroat, i have it set to display 1 though... |
| 00:35.45 | ajavid | but it went away |
| 00:35.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | octoserver, mine is: k tty7 :0 07Apr09 0.00s 22:06m 6:08 fvw |
| 00:36.01 | ajavid | $>glxinfo | grep direct |
| 00:36.02 | ajavid | libGL error: XF86DRIQueryDirectRenderingCapable returned false |
| 00:36.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | mythomaniac, yeah, that looks ok |
| 00:36.16 | ajavid | let me post my files |
| 00:36.30 | mythomaniac | CutMeOwnThroat, so that am i doing wrong? |
| 00:36.36 | amphi | ajavid: what driver? |
| 00:36.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | mythomaniac, well, you're better off than me, I can't even start an xterm within it, seems it's keeping it's magick cookie to itself :) |
| 00:37.17 | unomi | erm, perhaps we could sort out my sound as well? :) |
| 00:37.26 | mythomaniac | CutMeOwnThroat, ;) |
| 00:37.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | we did! |
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| 00:37.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you just never noticed |
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| 00:38.44 | ajavid | amphi, http://paste.debian.net:80/34704/ |
| 00:39.06 | ajavid | amphi, x1900xt radeon ati, 'radeon' driver, xorg 7.4 debian unstable |
| 00:39.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha... try running Xnest :2 with DISPLAY set to :2 |
| 00:39.44 | ajavid | amphi, default deb generated xorg.conf |
| 00:40.01 | abrotman | a what? |
| 00:40.25 | ajavid | who me |
| 00:40.26 | ajavid | ? |
| 00:40.42 | ajavid | default debian generated xorg.conf (uncuztomized) |
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| 00:42.22 | amphi | ajavid: 385. (II) RADEON(0): If you are having trouble with 3D, reduce the desktop size by adjusting the Virtual line to your xorg.conf |
| 00:42.28 | amphi | ajavid: perhaps |
| 00:42.29 | ajavid | dri for r580 on 7.4 xorg works just fine using radeon driver, though it gives me this weird error |
| 00:42.33 | ajavid | hm |
| 00:42.40 | ajavid | I'll specify one, all I use is 1680x1050 |
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| 00:47.34 | ajavid | hmm |
| 00:47.37 | ajavid | it works now |
| 00:47.41 | ajavid | let me take out the virtual line |
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| 00:48.14 | cognitiaclaeves | Has anyone tried open-vm-tools for vmware in Lenny? |
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| 00:48.48 | ajavid | uhm |
| 00:48.50 | ajavid | amphi, dude |
| 00:49.02 | ajavid | amphi, I logged into the wrong machine and changed the xorg.conf lol |
| 00:49.04 | amphi | pon |
| 00:49.06 | abrotman | SPORK! |
| 00:49.09 | amphi | heh |
| 00:49.14 | ajavid | amphi, then I restarted X on the right machine and dri works |
| 00:49.24 | ajavid | but nothing was modified just an X restart |
| 00:49.34 | abrotman | so you did the wrong thing but the right thing happenend? |
| 00:49.36 | ajavid | now i gotta go back and refix my xorg.conf of my laptop the one i modified |
| 00:49.37 | amphi | mantra-tantra |
| 00:49.42 | ajavid | yeh |
| 00:49.44 | safruhani | :) |
| 00:49.51 | safruhani | om |
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| 00:50.33 | zhxk | ampi, some one in another #debian channel uses your name,are you the same person to he/she at oftc.net? |
| 00:50.52 | ajavid | when I ssh into my laptop it takes like 15 seconds to give me a login prompt |
| 00:51.03 | amphi | zhxk: yes |
| 00:51.08 | ajavid | network is fast, and it has never happened to me before |
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| 00:51.26 | ajavid | amphi, btw, it wasn't the virtual size thingy I have no idea what it was but all i did was restart X |
| 00:51.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, sshd is doing a dns lookup |
| 00:51.55 | ajavid | why? |
| 00:52.11 | amphi | ajavid: cosmic rays |
| 00:52.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ask it |
| 00:52.21 | ajavid | oh ffs |
| 00:52.26 | ajavid | :) |
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| 00:52.54 | amphi | water in the coprocessor? |
| 00:53.08 | zhxk | amphi,well what other site that holds channel #debian too? |
| 00:53.11 | ajavid | my connection is lagging for some reason |
| 00:53.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ooo, I got that once |
| 00:53.18 | Stanlin1 | Hello my dear Camerades communists!! |
| 00:53.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | all my floats got wet |
| 00:53.21 | ajavid | I wonder what my signal stregnth is |
| 00:53.33 | amphi | zhxk: I'm only in these two; I know of no others |
| 00:53.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... of course, that's what they're for |
| 00:53.41 | ajavid | its not just my laptop login ssh thingy, I type into my ssh'd irssi session and text shows up 4 seconds after I type it |
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| 00:53.53 | zhxk | amphi, thanks, me too |
| 00:53.55 | ajavid | its lag, definitely lag or maybe my laptop needs a restart? |
| 00:54.14 | zhxk | amphi:where are you from ? |
| 00:54.19 | amphi | ajavid: cat /sys/class/net/wlan0/wireless/link or whatever your iface is called |
| 00:54.34 | amphi | zhxk: Yurp |
| 00:54.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, you could reboot without saving your data first |
| 00:55.14 | zhxk | amphi:what's "Yurp"? |
| 00:55.18 | ajavid | amphi, /proc/net/wireless |
| 00:55.19 | amphi | ajavid: or wavemon is a handy console wireless monitor thing |
| 00:55.36 | amphi | ajavid: /proc is deprecated ;) |
| 00:55.58 | ajavid | when did this happen |
| 00:56.09 | ajavid | when do you people do these things? how come nobody tells me anything |
| 00:56.13 | ajavid | seriously im mad |
| 00:56.17 | ajavid | :) |
| 00:56.21 | abrotman | blame enouf |
| 00:56.33 | amphi | ajavid: also you get a bunch of other junk, not just link quality |
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| 00:56.55 | amphi | zhxk: a vernacular spelling of 'Europe' ;) |
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| 00:57.28 | abrotman | amphi: some how .. i bet the humor was lost on that |
| 00:57.51 | amphi | so it would seem |
| 00:57.57 | wat | what do i do if iceweasel says "you need flash player to view videos" if i have flashplayer-nonfree installed? |
| 00:58.01 | zhxk | amphi:well, i see, so it's the very morning at your place |
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| 00:58.12 | amphi | zhxk: right |
| 00:58.18 | ajavid | it wasn't, I just didn't care. |
| 00:58.44 | cognitiaclaeves | amphi: ... I thought it was funny... |
| 00:59.12 | amphi | !praise cognitiaclaeves |
| 00:59.12 | dpkg | kneels before cognitiaclaeves. "You rock, cognitiaclaeves!" |
| 00:59.25 | ajavid | I smell Aaloo Gosht! |
| 00:59.27 | cognitiaclaeves | ( ok, that was a little overboard.. 0 |
| 00:59.32 | amphi | ajavid: nice |
| 00:59.34 | cognitiaclaeves | :p |
| 00:59.42 | zhxk | amphi:well i have to go to bed now, i stayed up last night, it's 9 o'clock at my place now |
| 01:00.18 | wat | so how exactly do i install a program with a .deb file? |
| 01:00.18 | amphi | zhxk: dream of debian ;) |
| 01:00.33 | amphi | wat: dpkg -i whatever.deb |
| 01:00.38 | unomi | im not sure how to interpret adobes site |
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| 01:00.51 | unomi | when choosing a flashplayer plugin |
| 01:00.57 | ajavid | wat, there is a gdebi also which tries to resolve dependencies as well |
| 01:00.58 | zhxk | amphi:what? i just get problem solved |
| 01:01.01 | zhxk | bye, amphi, good luck to you. |
| 01:01.05 | unomi | .deb for ubuntu 8.04 |
| 01:01.13 | zhxk | good luck to all of you! |
| 01:01.17 | ajavid | unomi, no |
| 01:01.19 | amphi | unomi: why not use the dmm one? |
| 01:01.27 | ajavid | unomi, aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:01.36 | unomi | right, I did that |
| 01:01.38 | ajavid | unomi, or use one from dmm, flashplayer-nonfree |
| 01:01.42 | unomi | and I can only use it as root |
| 01:01.49 | wat | ajavid, thanks |
| 01:01.52 | wat | im just trying to install opera |
| 01:02.12 | ajavid | wat, bug abrotman, he is the 'opera... man' ;) |
| 01:02.21 | amphi | flash? opera? it's becoming a nightmare |
| 01:02.30 | abrotman | wat: FWIW .. i usually get the static .deb |
| 01:02.31 | ajavid | I stick to firefox |
| 01:02.40 | abrotman | ajavid: i'm not the only one here .. |
| 01:02.43 | unomi | im trying to get it to work with iceweasel |
| 01:02.48 | ajavid | abrotman, the only one I knew about |
| 01:02.55 | amphi | I use midori, because it hates enouf ;) |
| 01:02.57 | unomi | i dld it via dmm |
| 01:03.00 | wat | i still can't get flash videos to run on iceweasel :( and i have flashplugin nonfree |
| 01:03.00 | ajavid | lol |
| 01:03.01 | wat | whawt should iu se? |
| 01:03.06 | wat | what should i use* |
| 01:03.08 | ajavid | he is always bitching about midori, but he won't stop using it |
| 01:03.13 | ajavid | !seen enouf |
| 01:03.13 | dpkg | enouf is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 30 messages. Is idling for 4h 14m 31s, last said: 'up to 2x?'. |
| 01:03.27 | amphi | heh |
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| 01:03.32 | ajavid | wat, it works for root but not for user? |
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| 01:03.41 | unomi | same here |
| 01:03.44 | wat | ajavid i have to go bye |
| 01:03.56 | ajavid | wat, come back later and get help |
| 01:03.57 | ajavid | wat, bye |
| 01:03.57 | unomi | bye |
| 01:04.05 | unomi | well you can help me :) |
| 01:04.10 | ajavid | I probably can't |
| 01:04.13 | ajavid | I'm just a noob |
| 01:04.16 | unomi | same thing though |
| 01:04.17 | ajavid | I dunno nothing |
| 01:04.27 | unomi | you know how to be evasive |
| 01:04.31 | unomi | lazy fuck :p |
| 01:04.33 | ajavid | what did I do? |
| 01:04.35 | ajavid | :D |
| 01:04.47 | ajavid | you're the first person who confronted/caught me in 8 years |
| 01:04.57 | ajavid | lol, usually I just get away with like, I dunno nothin' man |
| 01:05.31 | amphi | it was easier with your old nick, perhaps |
| 01:05.44 | ajavid | yes, but people grow up you know |
| 01:05.57 | unomi | just older |
| 01:06.07 | unomi | well, I have 2 showstoppers |
| 01:06.12 | unomi | no sound, and no flash |
| 01:06.25 | ajavid | for sound, /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
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| 01:06.36 | unomi | i saw that before |
| 01:06.39 | unomi | no dice |
| 01:06.43 | amphi | ajavid: speak not to me of the wisdom of old men, but rather of their fear and frenzy ;) |
| 01:06.43 | ajavid | how did you install flash? |
| 01:06.53 | unomi | with dmm |
| 01:07.03 | unomi | ah backports i believe |
| 01:07.23 | ajavid | amphi, can we help this poor guy |
| 01:07.26 | unomi | there was an issue where backports wouldnt authenticate |
| 01:07.38 | ajavid | unomi, thats until you get the bpo keys |
| 01:07.39 | amphi | ajavid: I don't have flash installed here at all |
| 01:07.55 | ajavid | amphi, I'm working on nycoda.com, I need flash |
| 01:07.56 | ajavid | heh |
| 01:08.29 | unomi | well, I installed the bpo keys |
| 01:08.36 | unomi | or so I thought |
| 01:08.37 | ajavid | keys is not the issue |
| 01:08.50 | unomi | no, it was working fine as root |
| 01:08.54 | unomi | the package was working |
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| 01:09.11 | ajavid | unomi, did you follow the alsa-checklist |
| 01:09.15 | ajavid | !alsa-checklist |
| 01:09.15 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 01:09.33 | unomi | let me reboot |
| 01:09.38 | ajavid | no!!!! |
| 01:09.41 | ajavid | unomi, no need to reboot |
| 01:09.44 | unomi | well, ok |
| 01:09.44 | ajavid | this is not windows |
| 01:10.12 | unomi | i am in audio group, my channels are unmuted and raised |
| 01:10.23 | ajavid | gnome/kde? |
| 01:10.24 | unomi | i dont think i have either arts or esound |
| 01:10.28 | unomi | base install |
| 01:10.34 | unomi | some gnome components |
| 01:10.42 | ajavid | alsa-oss installed? |
| 01:10.56 | justin | alsa issues are almost ALWAYS volume related |
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| 01:11.04 | unomi | how can i check? |
| 01:11.08 | amphi | flash (or at least some flash video sites) have their own muter |
| 01:11.11 | amphi | if I recall correctly |
| 01:11.11 | ajavid | unomi, install it |
| 01:11.14 | abrotman | or your kernel/alsa version doesn't support the device at all |
| 01:11.18 | justin | run the mixer, put everything at 50% |
| 01:11.33 | unomi | yup its in |
| 01:11.51 | unomi | i ran amixer |
| 01:12.05 | amphi | unomi: no sound works, or just not flash sound? |
| 01:12.10 | unomi | no sound |
| 01:12.19 | kanonmat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:14.32 | unomi | gstreamer-properties when selecting pulseAudio shows device:unsupported |
| 01:14.52 | unomi | testing oss and alsa gives no sound |
| 01:15.00 | justin | volume |
| 01:15.43 | unomi | alsamixer shows card: PulseAudio volume 100 |
| 01:16.13 | unomi | pulseaudio tells me daemon running |
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| 01:16.56 | justin | ugh |
| 01:17.00 | justin | try uninstalling pulsaaudio |
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| 01:17.45 | unomi | removed |
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| 01:19.16 | unomi | brb |
| 01:21.14 | unomi | whats interesting is that gmix |
| 01:21.20 | unomi | shows my sound card by name |
| 01:22.08 | unomi | both intel ICH6 (alsa) and AD1981 (oss) |
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| 01:22.28 | justin | yes, there is nothing wrong with your sound |
| 01:22.43 | unomi | ? |
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| 01:23.33 | unomi | what do you mean justin? |
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| 01:23.40 | justin | i mean there is nothing wrong with your sound |
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| 01:24.31 | amphi | he's just deaf? |
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| 01:26.15 | justin | pulseaudio is kind of cool, if they could fix all the issues |
| 01:26.30 | unomi | well, I would be happy with just alsa |
| 01:27.26 | justin | pulseaudio supports multicast heh.. i tried to write something years ago to do that |
| 01:27.32 | justin | I wonder how well it works on a lan |
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| 01:29.10 | Sebboh | What are people using to mount a remote ssh filesystem these days? |
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| 01:29.26 | Sebboh | minus GUI stuff. |
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| 01:30.15 | nsadmin | Hi, I got curious about git-gui, but I'm running etch. when I include backports in my sources.list, I get an error saying "git-gui: Depends: git-core (> 1:1.5.6.5) but 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch2 is to be installed" |
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| 01:31.43 | unomi | that was a bit annoying |
| 01:31.54 | unomi | on rebooting gnome has now pushed fluxbox aside |
| 01:32.08 | unomi | 'sif |
| 01:32.33 | unomi | anyway gnome sound preferences lets me get sound out thru oss only |
| 01:32.35 | nsadmin | gnome is not a window manager |
| 01:33.08 | unomi | well, i am certainly not in fluxbox anymore |
| 01:33.37 | unomi | Failed to connect: Connection refused |
| 01:33.45 | unomi | when I select pulseaudio |
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| 01:34.41 | nsadmin | perhaps pulseaudio not configured properly? perhaps no pulseaudio daemon running on the remote? perhaps a router is refusing connections? |
| 01:34.58 | unomi | this is on a local machine |
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| 01:37.33 | unomi | pulseaudio --system -D |
| 01:37.33 | unomi | E: main.c: daemon startup failed. |
| 01:37.51 | nsadmin | so find out why |
| 01:38.12 | unomi | Failed to load module "module-esound-protocol-unix" (argument: "socket="/tmp/.esd/socket""): initialization failed. |
| 01:39.44 | nsadmin | so it's misconfigured, or your kernel doesn't have unix-domain sockets (this is probably not the case), the midule is missing. had you built your own kernel? |
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| 01:39.54 | unomi | no |
| 01:40.12 | unomi | Linux delluxe 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 01:42.46 | enouf | amphi: heh .. and ajavid - go suck an egg - i never use it - it's one of those things i installed to help test out compatibility with your crappy websites! :-0 |
| 01:42.58 | unomi | http://pastebin.ca/1406885 |
| 01:43.08 | unomi | this is a bit more verbose |
| 01:43.17 | enouf | ajavid: and .. i even installed iceweasel now ... OMFG .. what a bloated piece of crap this thing is ... |
| 01:43.55 | nsadmin | what user are you logged in as when trying to start it? |
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| 01:44.19 | unomi | root |
| 01:45.13 | enouf | so - the list looks like this now; at #1 is links2 .... then all the way down there -------------------> at #57 is midori .. then at #87 is icecrap .. then finally somewhere past #100 is ... yep KonqOut |
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| 01:47.27 | unomi | whoa |
| 01:47.31 | unomi | ok, got sound |
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| 01:49.11 | nsadmin | what did you do |
| 01:49.44 | unomi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.52 | unomi | still a number of errors displaying |
| 01:50.07 | unomi | then pulseaudio manager and connect |
| 01:50.33 | amphi | enouf: I have crappy websites? where?? |
| 01:50.34 | nsadmin | out of curiousity, why are you using pulseaudio? |
| 01:50.45 | amphi | enouf: I must know! |
| 01:50.46 | unomi | not really sure, it seems like i went through these steps a number of times |
| 01:51.09 | amphi | enouf: oh, ajavid's, sorry - parser failure |
| 01:51.14 | enouf | amphi: all-web-devs-suck-ass.com :-P |
| 01:51.17 | unomi | nsadmin: well, down the road I would probably like to have some kind of distributed sound going on |
| 01:51.32 | unomi | at this minute though there was no reason, just wanted some sound |
| 01:51.44 | nsadmin | so you ran pulseaudio this time as a plain user (probably in sound or audio group)? |
| 01:51.59 | unomi | no it is running as root |
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| 01:52.06 | unomi | or as --system |
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| 01:52.20 | unomi | interestingly enough it hasnt detached |
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| 01:52.36 | unomi | err |
| 01:52.41 | enouf | man lsof and fuser |
| 01:52.42 | nsadmin | oh, you didn't do -D I guess |
| 01:52.47 | pickcoder | has anyone tried loading a 2048-bit key and cert in Apache2? |
| 01:52.50 | unomi | and pulseaudio --system -D shows no errors now |
| 01:52.55 | unomi | well, I did earlier |
| 01:53.17 | jmoncayo | hello guys i have an entry like this, xxxxx/ lenny main, and other the same xxxxx/ lenny main contrib non-free, should i only leave the latter one? |
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| 01:53.42 | unomi | anyway, thanks for holding my hand nsadmin |
| 01:53.46 | enouf | jmoncayo: not a prob to have both |
| 01:54.01 | jmoncayo | not a waht? |
| 01:54.06 | jmoncayo | sorry i am not good with english |
| 01:54.08 | enouf | jmoncayo: are they different mirrors? who? |
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| 01:54.17 | enouf | porb |
| 01:54.22 | jmoncayo | enouf: nope both same |
| 01:54.24 | enouf | == problem |
| 01:54.31 | jmoncayo | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 01:54.38 | jmoncayo | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 01:54.42 | enouf | you sure one isn't a deb-src? |
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| 01:54.45 | enouf | guess not |
| 01:54.48 | jmoncayo | nope |
| 01:55.00 | jmoncayo | should i delete the first one? |
| 01:55.21 | unomi | back to sound prefs, I still cant use 'raw' sound device, but now i have the choice between oss and pulseaudio |
| 01:55.26 | hobophobe | I have a raid0 using mdadm, but it gives an error 'no devices found' and instead dmraid is creating a /dev/mapper device with them. Someone got a clue stick to beat me with? |
| 01:55.28 | unomi | I suppose that pa hogs it |
| 01:55.33 | enouf | yeah - or change it to "deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free" |
| 01:55.46 | pickcoder | ugh this frustrating |
| 01:55.47 | unomi | alsa i can also use |
| 01:55.50 | jmoncayo | enouf: thanks a lot |
| 01:55.58 | enouf | jmoncayo: /msg dpkg deb-src |
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| 01:56.21 | enouf | sure jmoncayo - OH and /msg dpkg security |
| 01:56.56 | hobophobe | For the record there is no raid set in BIOS so I'm not sure why dmraid is getting involved. |
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| 01:57.23 | enouf | hobophobe: some sort of metadata still on the disks? |
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| 01:57.40 | enouf | hobophobe: zero the superblocks? |
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| 01:57.55 | hobophobe | enouf, not sure, I can't read them because of dmraid usurping them. I tried using dmsetup remove_all and they still don't get recognized by mdadm. |
| 01:58.14 | enouf | hobophobe: do NOT zero anything! if you have data you want to keep! |
| 01:58.33 | hobophobe | I don't have to keep the data, but it would be nice. |
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| 01:59.11 | enouf | you shouldn't need anything dmraid related - mdadm surely uses /device-mapper as does LVM |
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| 01:59.50 | enouf | hobophobe: are you using a debian kernel and debian initrd? which ones? |
| 01:59.58 | hobophobe | oh... in 'fdisk -l' it would show things like /dev/dm-0 which I assumed was dmraid related |
| 02:00.52 | hobophobe | I'm using 2.6.29-1-686-bigmem |
| 02:01.10 | unomi | how much is bigmem? |
| 02:01.20 | rerushg | hi guys. Running Lenny with 26-2-686 kernel. Just did apt-get for virtualbox. Apt wants to install virtualbox-ose. Cool. It also wants to install the 26-1-486 kernel. That doesn't seem cool. Can someone explain? |
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| 02:01.45 | enouf | unomi: up to 64G support for 32bit x86 installations |
| 02:01.53 | unomi | sweet |
| 02:01.58 | unomi | swap comps? |
| 02:02.00 | hobophobe | I'm using 4gig, I'm planning to install 64-bit when I get a chance, though. |
| 02:02.17 | enouf | much better alternative, IMNSHO |
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| 02:02.38 | pickcoder | 64-bit is potentially less efficient on 32-bit apps |
| 02:02.55 | pickcoder | if you plan on running a lot of 64-bit apps that need to do a lot of math then it's worth it |
| 02:02.56 | unomi | isnt that why source is so lovely? |
| 02:03.00 | amphi | enouf: BTW, are you using xmonad yet? ;) |
| 02:03.03 | enouf | with that amount of RAM, PAE will negate any negative effects |
| 02:03.16 | enouf | amphi: heh - no wai :-) |
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| 02:04.53 | unomi | this is going to sound very noob |
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| 02:05.08 | enouf | amphi: i might try it when i finally upgrade my system soon 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1137 not upgraded. |
| 02:05.09 | unomi | but is there a difference between running sudo apt-get install foo |
| 02:05.11 | abrotman | almost as much as "noob" |
| 02:05.18 | unomi | and apt-get install foo as root? |
| 02:05.31 | unomi | im wondering because of the whole flashplugin snafu |
| 02:05.52 | unomi | just almost |
| 02:06.00 | enouf | amphi: i just got done jostling disks/partitions and transferred / FS to a newer reformatted disk - just chillin atm for a week or two ;-) |
| 02:06.26 | amphi | I first read that as 'jostling drinks' ;) |
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| 02:06.37 | enouf | speaking of which! |
| 02:06.53 | amphi | he lunged for the decanter |
| 02:06.56 | pickcoder | so no one has been forced to renew a cert from Verisign as 2048-bit? |
| 02:07.02 | enouf | w00h00 .. Barkeep ; adult beverages all around |
| 02:07.44 | enouf | and make them refreshing! :-) |
| 02:07.53 | enouf | pickcoder: not i ... |
| 02:08.10 | pickcoder | apache2 on etch is just quietly dying on one |
| 02:08.40 | pickcoder | upgrading to Lenny is going to require a bit of orchastration that probably won't yield in a successful apache startup |
| 02:09.01 | pickcoder | and I don't think I can request a cert with a 1024 csr |
| 02:09.10 | pickcoder | it wouldn't let me last week |
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| 02:16.22 | hobophobe | Here is the mdadm.conf and the fdisk -l info: http://pastebin.ca/1406899 I'm not sure whether the problem is from upgrading to 2.6.29 or the upgrade to mdadm that happened with it. |
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| 02:19.27 | jimi | what is the equiv of chkconfig on debian? |
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| 02:20.00 | Megaf_ | Brb |
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| 02:24.27 | enouf | what is the equivalent of update-rc.d on non-sysv systems? |
| 02:25.44 | dondelelcaro | enouf: update-rc.d |
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| 02:25.44 | flourish | hello all, once i have change my sh to dash using dpkg-reconfigure dash and now i want to change back to bash, so i do this: ln -sf /bin/bash /bin/sh |
| 02:25.51 | flourish | but when man sh, it usually get manual of dash? |
| 02:26.05 | Sebboh | In the midnight commander, the error/status output of FISH and ftpfs are shown in the "mini status". How can I view all of this output, rather than just one line? |
| 02:26.09 | enouf | dondelelcaro: twas a rhethorical question ... designed to be somewhat humorous - i guess i failed |
| 02:26.22 | flourish | why? |
| 02:26.22 | enouf | er .. remove one 'h' |
| 02:26.25 | PeterFA | I think the Squish default 386 kernel has a problem. The timer module has the frequency too low. |
| 02:26.58 | abrotman | flourish: it's setup in the alternatives |
| 02:27.24 | abrotman | i'd guess |
| 02:27.31 | flourish | abrotman: howto? i cannot find sh in /etc/alternatives |
| 02:27.56 | enouf | update-alternatives --config [tab][tab] |
| 02:28.10 | abrotman | flourish: find the man page in /usr/share/man/ .. see where it points |
| 02:28.20 | abrotman | flourish: why not `dpkg-reconfigure bash` and change it back ? |
| 02:28.23 | abrotman | or dash |
| 02:28.24 | Sebboh | isn't the sh binary actually a copy of dash, like, not just via the alternatives system? |
| 02:28.27 | abrotman | or it doesn't let you ? |
| 02:28.30 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: it's a symlink. |
| 02:28.36 | enouf | symlink |
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| 02:29.19 | Sebboh | erm, verywell, but I meant to say that "man sh" is *supposed* to return the man page for dash on debian systems these days, right? |
| 02:29.19 | abrotman | flourish: if i ls -l /usr/share/man/man1/sh.1.gz .. it points to bash.1.gz |
| 02:29.42 | enouf | Sebboh: not any Debian system i admin ;-) |
| 02:29.44 | Sebboh | abrotman, ok. I'll keep quiet, as my knowledge level is lower than I thought. |
| 02:29.50 | Sebboh | enouf ;D |
| 02:29.53 | flourish | abrotman: thanks |
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| 02:30.17 | abrotman | flourish: but you said dpkg-reconfigure dash changed that .. i'd think it could change it back also |
| 02:30.35 | keith4_ | am I missing something? the manpage for 'du' says that -x will skip non-local filesystems, no? |
| 02:30.58 | keith4_ | i run "du -shx /", and it sites for *minutes*, examining NFS mounts |
| 02:31.06 | keith4_ | sites? sits |
| 02:31.18 | Tuxguy | what is the equiv of chkconfig on debian? |
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| 02:31.47 | liable | !services |
| 02:31.47 | dpkg | services is, like, to view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, sysvconfig, <sysv-rc-conf>, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 02:32.19 | enouf | Tuxguy: wtf is chkconfig? |
| 02:32.20 | keith4_ | you can also install chkconfig if you really want it |
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| 02:32.30 | keith4_ | it's a redhat thing |
| 02:32.40 | enouf | that .. i know |
| 02:32.43 | keith4_ | similar to update-rc.d |
| 02:32.59 | Tuxguy | chkconfig mysqld on |
| 02:33.00 | Tuxguy | etc |
| 02:33.05 | Tuxguy | Sometimes on boot, mysql says it can not mae a socket through /var/run/mysqld.sock ... but.... if i manually start mysql it works |
| 02:33.36 | keith4_ | generally not needed in debian... because you only install what you want, no? so, you don't need to enable things that are already there, you just need to install them |
| 02:33.42 | nsadmin | Tuxguy: does it say why? |
| 02:33.48 | Tuxguy | no |
| 02:34.06 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: it won't decend into them, but figuring out if they're on a different filesystem requires stating it |
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| 02:34.20 | mosno | keith4_: i actually wish debian would leave them disabled post-install |
| 02:34.26 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: if it *is* decending into them, something else is wrong |
| 02:34.29 | mosno | keith4_: services, that is |
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| 02:34.51 | dondelelcaro | mosno: if you want services disabled, you can configure that too |
| 02:35.04 | dondelelcaro | mosno: invoke-rc.d is pretty trivial to override, and you can also drop in a policy-rc.d |
| 02:35.30 | mosno | dondelelcaro: i'll have to look into that, thanks |
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| 02:35.43 | enouf | mosno: your debconf settings might help you (somewhat) too |
| 02:35.47 | pickcoder | yup.. Apache just doesn't like the 2048-bit key |
| 02:36.02 | pickcoder | the debug logs just stop after configuring the private key |
| 02:36.40 | pickcoder | would it be insane to try to pull backports from Lenny, for etch? |
| 02:37.13 | Hydroxide | pickcoder: in general they wouldn't work well or even necessarily install without dependency problems, though there will be exceptions here and there |
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| 02:37.42 | pickcoder | I really can't upgrade to Lenny right now |
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| 02:38.13 | keith4_ | dondelelcaro, it looks like -s and -x don't play well together, i guess |
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| 02:38.31 | pickcoder | I guess I'll have to try the cert on a Lenny box |
| 02:38.47 | keith4_ | or rather, asking for a summary doesn't necessarily collide with "don't descend into mounted filesystems", i guess |
| 02:38.49 | Hydroxide | pickcoder: well, you'll want to do it at some point before the end of the year, or very early 2010, since Debian's convention of roughly 1 year of support for oldstable after the following stable release would put the end of security fixes for etch at roughly mid-February 2010 |
| 02:38.50 | pickcoder | faking FDQN will be interesting |
| 02:39.18 | pickcoder | I will upgrade before Etch's support stops |
| 02:39.23 | pickcoder | I just have too many things on my plate |
| 02:39.36 | pickcoder | and the web server is a critical e-commerce box |
| 02:39.40 | keith4_ | pickcoder, yah... backports.org has some info about why that isn't necessarily a good idea |
| 02:39.44 | pickcoder | so I can't just take it down for 3 hours |
| 02:40.09 | Hydroxide | pickcoder: understandable, sure. I wasn't following the conversation until your question about backports, so forgive me if you answered this, but what are you trying to do and why you can't do it on etch without using backports? |
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| 02:41.01 | pickcoder | I can't get Apache2.2 to load a 2048-bit private key and cert |
| 02:41.04 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: nah, they work just fine |
| 02:41.18 | pickcoder | Verisign forced me to recreate a 2048-bit CSR to obtain a renweal |
| 02:41.21 | pickcoder | renewal |
| 02:41.23 | hobophobe | Wow, that's kind of messed up. Turns out there was old metadata on the disks from two computers ago... dmraid -r -E fixed it. The strange part is that this is the first time in all that time it had a problem (this was back when Sarge first came out). |
| 02:41.35 | pickcoder | yet Apache isn't loading it |
| 02:41.40 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: at least, it works perfectly fine here |
| 02:41.50 | Hydroxide | pickcoder: interesting. didn't know they were doing that. do you have reason to believe the problem is a difference between etch and lenny? they both ship apache 2.2 I think |
| 02:42.09 | Hydroxide | (different point-release of 2.2 though) |
| 02:42.10 | pickcoder | there were memory leaks fixed after 2.2.3 |
| 02:42.14 | Hydroxide | yeah, sure |
| 02:42.17 | keith4_ | dondelelcaro, d'oh! i didn't do "du -shx /", i did "cd /; du -shx *" |
| 02:42.21 | pickcoder | but I don't think this is a memory leak problem |
| 02:42.29 | pickcoder | apache just quietly exits |
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| 02:42.42 | keith4_ | dondelelcaro, and some idiot mounted something to /mnt |
| 02:42.44 | keith4_ | sighs |
| 02:42.56 | pickcoder | the strace looks normal |
| 02:43.06 | keith4_ | so, explicitly listing a directory doesn't count as descending |
| 02:43.15 | pickcoder | but the logs just strangely stop after the private key is read/configured |
| 02:43.31 | pickcoder | http://www.pastebin.ca/1406893 |
| 02:43.41 | pickcoder | ignore the FQDN erros |
| 02:43.48 | pickcoder | they show up even with a valid 1024-bit set |
| 02:43.57 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: exactly |
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| 02:44.49 | keith4_ | yay. mystery solved |
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| 02:45.15 | jmoncayo | has anyone here tried skype in under amd64? |
| 02:46.59 | pickcoder | I have until the 17th of next month to sort this out |
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| 02:47.10 | pickcoder | nothing like a short deadline on something I have no control over |
| 02:47.17 | Malf | Generally speaking is i386 a safer bet than amd64 when installing on a 64 bit intel pentium? |
| 02:47.31 | pickcoder | Malf: it depends on the chip.. Xeon? |
| 02:47.49 | Malf | pickcoder: Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2220 |
| 02:47.58 | pickcoder | yeah |
| 02:48.04 | unomi | erm, how do I get fluxbox back? |
| 02:48.11 | pickcoder | unless you plan on calculating points on the globe |
| 02:48.14 | Malf | hah |
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| 02:48.15 | Malf | alright |
| 02:48.17 | Malf | thought so |
| 02:48.20 | Malf | just wanted to double check |
| 02:48.22 | Malf | thanks |
| 02:48.24 | unomi | would linking it to /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager ? |
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| 02:48.53 | amitz | is it safe to let drupal manage security update if my drupal come from debian lenny package? |
| 02:49.01 | pickcoder | anything up to 64GB can be handled by the 686 kernel with PXE |
| 02:49.26 | Malf | yeah this is a wussy desktop |
| 02:49.35 | Malf | so I'll be good with i386 |
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| 02:50.16 | pickcoder | yeah there are browser plug-ins and related components that aren't 64-bit yet so you're better off with a 32-bit desktop |
| 02:50.45 | Shizen[iNiaga] | greetings |
| 02:51.18 | Shizen[iNiaga] | hmmm |
| 02:51.25 | pickcoder | hrm.. 2.2.9 is in Lenny |
| 02:51.31 | Shizen | forgot to join here on my home PC... oh well |
| 02:51.42 | pickcoder | goes to play on the dev box |
| 02:51.45 | Shizen | anyone with considerable wireless experience ? |
| 02:51.59 | jello | considerable?? just ask... |
| 02:52.00 | Shizen | seems to be having trouble getting Deb to recognize my USB wireless device |
| 02:52.14 | jello | need more details than that... |
| 02:52.14 | Shizen | it's an (apparently) ZD1211 based USB device |
| 02:52.26 | Shizen | Storm(brand) Wireless-G |
| 02:52.31 | abrotman | i think that requires firmware? |
| 02:52.36 | jello | Shizen: what does lsusb say? |
| 02:52.41 | abrotman | !zd1211 |
| 02:52.41 | dpkg | i guess zd1211 is the _vendor-based_ community driver for ZyDAS ZD1211/ZD1211B USB wireless LAN chipsets (http://zd1211.wiki.sourceforge.net/VendorBasedDriver). This driver is unmaintained and was rewritten, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. A brief history is at http://zd1211.wiki.sourceforge.net/VendorDriver. Not expected to compile on recent kernels. |
| 02:52.53 | Shizen | h-mmm |
| 02:53.09 | Shizen | lsusb does say that |
| 02:53.14 | Shizen | ZyDAS ZD1211 ^ |
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| 02:53.22 | Shizen | h-mmmm |
| 02:53.27 | abrotman | !tell Shizen about zd1211rw |
| 02:54.07 | Shizen | guess I'll try that |
| 02:54.08 | Shizen | thanks |
| 02:54.43 | Shizen | boss wants me to hide the presence of ahem 'private' copy of Windows by dual-booting the dev PC heh |
| 02:57.49 | amphi | windows furtive edition, eh? ;) |
| 02:57.58 | Shizen | you...can say that ;) |
| 02:58.23 | Shizen | ms seems to be going on full-scale war against these... uh... editions |
| 02:58.37 | Shizen | especially on the corporate side, or should I say they can only touch THAT part |
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| 03:00.01 | Shizen | thankfully this PC restarts quite fast... now I just have to rename the entry on the boot selector from 'Windows' to 'Propietarily licensed somethingsomething' |
| 03:00.18 | unomi | and put a password on it |
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| 03:00.37 | unomi | why dont you just run your pirate warez in a vm? |
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| 03:00.50 | Shizen | well... wonder if you can password the boot entry selection ? |
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| 03:00.56 | unomi | sure you can |
| 03:01.02 | Shizen | what was my debian boot loader again... hrmmm |
| 03:01.17 | iceroot | is it a good idea to use http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free or is it ok to use the normal (stable) lenny-repo for security-updates? or in other words, will evryy important fixes put in the normal repos fast? |
| 03:01.34 | amphi | Shizen: just call it 'memtest86' ;) |
| 03:01.37 | Shizen | ah, Grub... |
| 03:01.38 | abrotman | no, you should use the security.debian.org in addition to your normal repo |
| 03:01.54 | Shizen | you can password the Grub entry, unomi ? |
| 03:02.25 | iceroot | abrotman: ok, thank you |
| 03:02.35 | unomi | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7353 |
| 03:02.38 | unomi | yes |
| 03:03.10 | pickcoder | well it's either an amd64 bug or an apache 2.2.3 bug |
| 03:03.18 | pickcoder | apache starts on Lenny with the cert/key combo |
| 03:03.23 | Shizen | aha! |
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| 03:03.25 | pickcoder | but it won't load the page |
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| 03:03.27 | Shizen | thankzee unomi |
| 03:03.33 | pickcoder | never mind |
| 03:03.34 | Shizen | now to name it... hrmmm... |
| 03:03.34 | pickcoder | it loaded |
| 03:03.39 | pickcoder | so I guess I'll be upgrading |
| 03:03.46 | Shizen | how about sandbox7.0 |
| 03:03.54 | pickcoder | at least there's light at the end of the tunnel |
| 03:04.16 | Sazpaimon | http://pastebin.com/m3877dd29 can someone tell me if this iostat looks a bit abnormal to you? I'm trying to pinpoint what is making my server sluggish |
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| 03:06.04 | unomi | Shizen: where are you located? |
| 03:06.20 | unomi | ah malaysia? |
| 03:06.27 | Tuxguy | lah |
| 03:06.28 | Tuxguy | lor |
| 03:06.29 | Tuxguy | meh |
| 03:06.35 | Tuxguy | thats my maylay talk |
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| 03:06.41 | unomi | sure its microsoft and not the police looking for some tea money? |
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| 03:07.32 | amphi | heh |
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| 03:08.38 | Shizen | >_> |
| 03:08.44 | Shizen | tea money indeed |
| 03:08.59 | unomi | all of SEAsia is going down the drain in the strangest of ways |
| 03:09.03 | Shizen | seeing as our tea here costs around MYR 1 or around $0.30... yeah |
| 03:09.07 | ltunes001 | hi, plz help me with my very, very difficult problem: i want move my display inside the screnn right (it's 200px smaller than phisiical screen).. viewport, virtual in sub display and absolute in serverlayout in xorg should do it and xrandr --output lvds --pos as well but well i had no luck.. can anyone imagine why? |
| 03:09.18 | unomi | in indonesia you have to pay 250 usd if you are a citizen leaving the country by plane |
| 03:09.29 | Shizen | errr |
| 03:09.38 | Shizen | you mean the fiscal thingamajigga ? |
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| 03:09.58 | unomi | in thailand if you are using a foreign debit card they just raised the rates to near 10 usd a pop |
| 03:10.01 | Shizen | you can easily get bypass to that |
| 03:10.04 | unomi | well, how they cope |
| 03:10.26 | abrotman | ltunes001: again ? |
| 03:10.44 | Shizen | ah well, afk |
| 03:10.46 | ltunes001 | well, abrotman ... where i can find help... |
| 03:10.50 | Shizen | smoking some Indon cigarettes ;D |
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| 03:10.57 | abrotman | ltunes001: didn't we point you to #xorg ? |
| 03:11.11 | ltunes001 | i asked my question 10 times in #xorg.. since 2 days.. NO answer:( |
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| 03:11.23 | abrotman | okay |
| 03:11.46 | ltunes001 | abrotman, it's like pointing u to a dead end street.. eventually you have to go back:) |
| 03:11.55 | abrotman | or knock down the wall ... |
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| 03:13.18 | ltunes001 | i am sure i know the comands: xrandr --output lvds --pos 200x0 should do it... at least i can rotate it with xrandr --output lvds --rotate right (i can use my notebook as a book:) ).. well but what can i do if pos is doing virtually:) nothing :(? |
| 03:13.30 | ltunes001 | (lvds written as LVDS) |
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| 03:14.35 | pickcoder | abrotman: who says there's a wall? |
| 03:14.42 | abrotman | dead end? |
| 03:14.50 | pickcoder | I-40 dead ends at the ocean here |
| 03:15.02 | ltunes001 | i know even how to invert pixels or make a big server layout with 10 or 20 screens.. but i can not move a display inside a screen... |
| 03:15.04 | abrotman | wall of water! |
| 03:15.08 | pickcoder | heh |
| 03:15.21 | pickcoder | you gonna part the atlantic with apt? |
| 03:15.26 | ltunes001 | ok, but seariously... |
| 03:15.31 | abrotman | pickcoder: that's crazy talk |
| 03:15.36 | pickcoder | heh |
| 03:16.01 | ltunes001 | if i want to sail the catamran the middle sea i join #catamaran, right abrotman :)? |
| 03:16.11 | jello | hi, i recently (?) stopped getting sound when playing HoMM3 (linux port by Loki), it gets a EBUSY when trying to open /dev/dsp; did something change in recent kernels? |
| 03:16.13 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 03:16.14 | abrotman | waves |
| 03:16.29 | ltunes001 | but where, how... i find help with moving screens:)? |
| 03:18.06 | ltunes001 | contemplates to go to the local casino in Dubrovnik.. well what else he could do in this small town at local time 5:17 am than to go to 24/7 live roulette? |
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| 03:19.37 | mib_jy1bl4 | heya, can someone tell me where the name "Debian" came from? |
| 03:20.40 | stew | mib_jy1bl4: a contraction of "deb" and "ian" for the founder's name "Ian" and his wife at the time "Deb" |
| 03:20.46 | jello | mib_jy1bl4: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#1993.E2.80.932000 |
| 03:21.18 | jello | can anyone tell me why fuser doesn't work on /dev/dsp?? |
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| 03:21.43 | mib_jy1bl4 | thanks stew :) |
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| 03:27.38 | Thunderguy | I been using apt-move sync. works great, but it got the packages I had marked as 'deinstall' I been struggling trying to completely remove the packages I wanted deinstall'ed because it's a lot of them, any suggestions? |
| 03:27.59 | unomi | is there a way to get gnome apps to play nice with other window managers? |
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| 03:29.20 | nsadmin | gnome is not a window manager |
| 03:30.08 | nsadmin | Hi, I got curious about git-gui, but I'm running etch. when I include backports in my sources.list, I get an error saying "git-gui: Depends: git-core (> 1:1.5.6.5) but 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch2 is to be installed" |
| 03:30.50 | unomi | right, but for some reason, even though I am running fluxbox, when I start say nautilus |
| 03:30.59 | unomi | aspects of metacity 'pop' through |
| 03:31.12 | unomi | including right click menus and background image |
| 03:31.34 | nsadmin | x clients can do that |
| 03:32.34 | nsadmin | that is... it may or may not be an aspect of metacity so much as it's an aspect of the app |
| 03:33.02 | unomi | fair enough |
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| 03:33.11 | Flinx | hi all |
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| 03:33.27 | unomi | just a shame that nautilus feels like poking around with my right click menus and background image |
| 03:34.12 | ajavid | seriously |
| 03:34.17 | ajavid | whats up |
| 03:34.29 | nsadmin | ceiling |
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| 03:34.52 | Flinx | I'm trying to debug my graphics problem *chuckle* |
| 03:35.29 | Flinx | lspci shows all of my devices correctly but I'm quite certain that there is a driver or module that's not loaded properly |
| 03:35.30 | ajavid | hi, I have direct rendering enabled on x1900xt radeon with 'radeon' driver on xorg 7.4 and when I try to enable desktop effects I get an error saying it cannot be enabled |
| 03:35.42 | ajavid | fucking kde4 man, its alright, I'll make it my bitch |
| 03:36.17 | ajavid | what is your graphics problem? |
| 03:36.42 | ajavid | lspci only shows what you have, not whats configured |
| 03:36.54 | Flinx | Thats what I thought >< |
| 03:37.06 | jmoncayo | hey guys, i am trying set up my touchscreen for my laptop, i have to add a line in the xorg.conf file, but there is no ServerLayout Section in my file |
| 03:37.11 | ajavid | what video card do you have? |
| 03:37.22 | ajavid | jmoncayo, make one |
| 03:37.32 | ajavid | jmoncayo, same xorg.conf in /usr/share/doc |
| 03:37.36 | ajavid | sample* |
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| 03:37.59 | Flinx | I have an onboard Radeon HD 3200 |
| 03:38.08 | Flinx | looking for the fglrx drivers now |
| 03:38.14 | ajavid | !fglrx |
| 03:38.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . See also <radeon>. #ati @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:38.24 | ajavid | go wiki |
| 03:38.29 | ajavid | yay! |
| 03:38.38 | Flinx | I've done this before ;) |
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| 03:38.50 | ajavid | and the problem is? |
| 03:39.01 | Flinx | I needed a sanity check? |
| 03:39.09 | ajavid | you need to communicate better |
| 03:39.17 | ajavid | I'm soon goingn to lose my patience if you don't start talking. |
| 03:39.32 | ajavid | I only have so much patience to go around |
| 03:39.32 | jmoncayo | ajavid: thanks |
| 03:40.05 | Flinx | the Graphics on WoW are painfully lagging and I'm betting that I need to get the fglrx driver so that 3D acceleration works |
| 03:40.38 | ajavid | jmoncayo, its in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/examples/xorg.conf |
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| 03:40.53 | nsadmin | dr-patience confidentiality? |
| 03:41.06 | Flinx | but it seemed unusual to me that it didn't work because lspci has -never- been that accurate with identifying parts before i've had drivers for anything |
| 03:41.16 | ajavid | lspci has nothing to do with anything |
| 03:41.18 | ajavid | forget about it |
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| 03:41.31 | ajavid | it is only use to find out 'ls'/list what pci devices you have attached |
| 03:41.54 | nsadmin | maybe you can find which driver after that |
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| 03:41.58 | ajavid | after you find out what you have, you configure the drivers for it to work |
| 03:42.24 | ajavid | you have onboard radeon 3200, I'm thinking r6x chipset, not fully supported in radeon, only in fglrx |
| 03:42.37 | Flinx | r780 |
| 03:42.41 | nsadmin | maybe radeonhd? |
| 03:42.42 | ajavid | so youhave used module assistant to build fglrx and install it, and now you launch x and what happens |
| 03:43.00 | ajavid | anything beyond r5 has no 3d |
| 03:43.18 | ajavid | there is some experimental 3d code published for developers by develoeprs but its still in the works |
| 03:43.31 | Flinx | so I've been reading. |
| 03:43.41 | ajavid | anyway, pastebin your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.*.log |
| 03:43.46 | nsadmin | that's all released info, chipsetwise... right? |
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| 03:43.54 | ajavid | yessir |
| 03:44.14 | Flinx | my Xorg has not been configured yet. this is quite literally a brand new net-install |
| 03:44.18 | nsadmin | so if anything, it's coming |
| 03:44.40 | ajavid | Flinx, i can't help you if i have no idea where exactly you are, what you've done so far |
| 03:44.47 | ajavid | Flinx, communicate better, please. |
| 03:44.55 | ajavid | !tell Flinx -about ask |
| 03:45.10 | Flinx | >< |
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| 03:45.47 | Flinx | I am currently running "apt-get install fglrx-control fglrx-driver module-assistant" |
| 03:46.22 | nsadmin | you'll also need build-essential and the headers for your running kernle |
| 03:46.34 | Flinx | ah true. |
| 03:46.37 | ajavid | Flinx, so you have a brand new install, and this is the first time you are trying to build fglrx? |
| 03:46.42 | amitz | how can I know if a package maintainer decided to drop security support of a package? wIll there be any notification? |
| 03:46.47 | ajavid | m-a prepare takes care of it |
| 03:47.13 | Flinx | this is the first time building fglrx on this box yes |
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| 03:47.35 | ajavid | Flinx, ok good, just follow the procedure outlined in the wiki |
| 03:48.22 | ajavid | remember to also unload radeon (modprobe -r radeon) before you start m-a a-i fglrx (as postinst script will also insert the module into the kernel) |
| 03:48.34 | ajavid | those two don't play nice |
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| 03:49.45 | ajavid | I have direct rendering enabled on x1900xt radeon with 'radeon' driver on xorg 7.4 and when I try to enable desktop effects I get an error saying it cannot be enabled |
| 03:49.48 | peterrooney | I want to stop the catc module from spewing constant crap on the console; it doesn't appear to have a 'quiet' option. is it possible to turn it off specifically using syslog.conf? is there a more sensible (debian) way to quiet it down? |
| 03:49.59 | king_crimson | hi, is there any way to downgrade glibc to 2.4 in lenny? |
| 03:50.05 | ajavid | peterrooney, blacklist ? |
| 03:50.19 | king_crimson | i need to compile a kernel that will work on a true 386, but i can't do that with => 2.5 |
| 03:50.19 | ajavid | peterrooney, unload the module and blacklist it? |
| 03:50.21 | peterrooney | ajavid: but i do want to use the module |
| 03:50.27 | ajavid | oh i see |
| 03:50.47 | ajavid | then I am not aware of a way as I don't know of a way |
| 03:52.25 | king_crimson | or does anybody know of i way i can get lenny's gcc to compile the kernel using only opcodes that a true 386 can handle?? |
| 03:53.16 | ltunes001 | king_crimson, there should be gcc locales for it.. before you make it... |
| 03:53.54 | king_crimson | i've never directly dealt with gcc before, the closest i've ever really gotten is typing 'make' so i'm a noob |
| 03:53.59 | king_crimson | what should i do? :) |
| 03:54.01 | king_crimson | sorry |
| 03:54.22 | unomi | perl headers? where to get me some of those? |
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| 03:57.07 | king_crimson | at least point me in the right direction please |
| 03:57.12 | king_crimson | and i can figure it out |
| 03:57.14 | Rusty1 | king_crimson: there is a -mtune option, dunno |
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| 03:58.32 | king_crimson | Rusty1: is -mtune=i386 the valid argument to use? |
| 03:58.39 | king_crimson | or is it just like -mtune=386 ? |
| 03:58.56 | Bold` | uhmmm |
| 03:59.10 | Rusty1 | king_crimson: again, dunno |
| 03:59.26 | Bold` | the old say.. RTM |
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| 03:59.57 | king_crimson | after a short bit of google + RTFM'ing yes it looks like =i386 should do it |
| 03:59.58 | king_crimson | thanks |
| 04:03.21 | Bold` | heh |
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| 04:03.34 | Bold` | awyeah.. |
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| 04:04.22 | ltunes001 | btw: is there a debian tool for simulating roulette strategies? i have 24/7 live roulette just 15min bus...:) |
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| 04:05.16 | anddy | swine flu inside job |
| 04:05.18 | anddy | swine flu inside job |
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| 04:05.51 | Bold` | damn ! |
| 04:06.34 | fish_zone | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.58 | fish_zone | any pointers? |
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| 04:12.01 | Bold` | fish_zone: this is a VM sound mixing issue.. |
| 04:12.13 | Bold` | VM.. not OS |
| 04:13.14 | fish_zone | Bold, I guess so |
| 04:13.43 | fish_zone | but can't really get any help from VMware |
| 04:13.49 | Bold` | what VM do u use ? |
| 04:13.57 | Bold` | 5x ? |
| 04:14.03 | kbateman | ltunes001: The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess? |
| 04:14.14 | fish_zone | Bold: 6.5.1 |
| 04:14.26 | fish_zone | alsa drivers on lenny |
| 04:14.42 | Bold` | fish: Not sure if this will work to you.. |
| 04:14.56 | ltunes001 | kbateman, heard about double up+2 at 5-14 ? |
| 04:15.04 | Bold` | install alsaoss.. |
| 04:15.25 | fish_zone | Bold, I have it installed |
| 04:15.28 | kbateman | ltunes001: No, but I know for a fact that it does not work. |
| 04:15.29 | mrglinux | my tty1 is crashed and I can't type anything on it. I went to second screen (with ctrl+alt+f2) and kill process of tty1 and screen and any program opened on tty1 but not any changes |
| 04:15.38 | Bold` | then chmod /usr/bin/vmware /usr/bin/vmware.orig |
| 04:15.42 | ltunes001 | simmuallations are on my side... and i don't do only black-red.. i have 5 ways to devide it half/half and bet in at the 5th inequality:) |
| 04:15.52 | Bold` | errr |
| 04:16.13 | kbateman | ltunes001: So you've already run these simulations? |
| 04:16.18 | fish_zone | Bold, I'll try it -- can you tell me what it does? |
| 04:16.30 | fish_zone | like to know what i'm doing |
| 04:16.32 | ltunes001 | kbateman, simullations of 100,000repetitions show me i am on winning side. anyway its pascal who invented roulette so it's about mathematics not gambling kbateman |
| 04:16.45 | ltunes001 | yes in real live casion:) |
| 04:16.59 | Bold` | then chmod +s /usr/lib/libaoss.so.* | then mv /usr/bin/vmware /usr/bin/vmware.orig |
| 04:17.14 | kbateman | ltunes001: it is impossible, repeat impossible to beat a fair game of roulette with any strategy. |
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| 04:17.44 | Bold` | fish_zone: when you are done, echo '#!/bin/bash' > /usr/bin/vmware |
| 04:17.52 | ltunes001 | kbateman, all right:) but this yours is the classic approach;) |
| 04:18.09 | kbateman | Every bet on a roulette table has a negative expected value. Combining them doesn't make a difference to this fact. |
| 04:18.12 | ltunes001 | i play the game as mathematicain:) |
| 04:18.29 | Bold` | followed by echo 'LD_PRELOAD=libaoss.so exec /usr/bin/vmware.orig "$@"' >> /usr/bin/vmware |
| 04:18.37 | ltunes001 | kbateman, you have heard ever about la place and de broglie? |
| 04:18.39 | kbateman | I should be nice. |
| 04:18.58 | Bold` | back to chmod, chmod +x /usr/bin/vmwaer |
| 04:19.02 | ltunes001 | sorry: Laplace i think was his name:) |
| 04:19.03 | Bold` | err |
| 04:19.09 | Bold` | * /vmware |
| 04:19.24 | Bold` | you should have it workin |
| 04:19.29 | kbateman | Well, yes. |
| 04:19.50 | Bold` | fish_zone, hope that will help |
| 04:19.52 | kbateman | Laplace and Louis de Broglie |
| 04:19.58 | ltunes001 | ok kbateman so you can imagine how people can accually win if its just mathematics/ |
| 04:19.59 | ltunes001 | ? |
| 04:20.28 | fish_zone | Bold: i have alsaoss installed but not configured |
| 04:20.34 | kbateman | Some people just have a lucky night. Many more have unlucky nights. You can't beat roulette. |
| 04:20.53 | ltunes001 | even with this 0 (2.7% for casino) |
| 04:21.00 | Bold` | fish_zone, no further comments then, heh |
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| 04:21.12 | ltunes001 | kbateman, i mean playing like for 100, 1000rounds... |
| 04:21.21 | ltunes001 | not some lucky shot;) |
| 04:21.23 | fish_zone | Bold: how can i switch to alsaoss -- is it just preferences? |
| 04:21.34 | Bold` | 19 minutes to leave.. its counting down... |
| 04:21.35 | kbateman | ltunes001: The more you play, the more you lose. Every bet on the roulette table has a negative expected value. |
| 04:22.11 | ltunes001 | kbateman, what does de Broglie and Laplace tell you about probabilty? |
| 04:22.34 | kbateman | I'm sure you're about to tell me... |
| 04:22.36 | Bold` | fish, you will need apt's univ repositry enbled |
| 04:22.40 | ltunes001 | if you have 5 times black and bet in in 6th on red.. you are sure that at 14th will come red for sure:) |
| 04:22.53 | kbateman | Stick to checkers. |
| 04:23.08 | ltunes001 | that simple, kbateman... and there are manyways to divide it half/half... |
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| 04:23.51 | kbateman | Would you mind repeating the "5 times black" line in a way that makes sense, please? |
| 04:23.53 | ltunes001 | ah well and rember to secure some credits on the zero:) with this how u want to lose? |
| 04:24.17 | ltunes001 | ok kbateman: you bet in.. when before was 5 times black... |
| 04:24.32 | kbateman | You mean betting after black has come 5 times in a row? |
| 04:24.37 | ltunes001 | you bet in with 10credits or 5.. depends what is min.. you bet in in 6th on red |
| 04:24.42 | Bold` | lol ! |
| 04:24.45 | ltunes001 | and double up until win |
| 04:24.54 | ltunes001 | yep kbateman |
| 04:25.18 | kbateman | ltunes001: Repeat after me: "The roulette table does not have a memory" "The roulette table does not have a memory" |
| 04:25.25 | ltunes001 | if you play with red/black then you can play only every 10th round.. |
| 04:26.23 | ltunes001 | kbateman, i will trust mathematicains like de broglie and Laplace.. well what is mathematics for.. who laid the fundations for your linux-kernel:) |
| 04:26.42 | kbateman | I'm being trolled, right? |
| 04:27.08 | ltunes001 | i know it has no memory... but it is applicable to de broglie thoose.. black and red for sure will change on time in 14 and if so i win:) |
| 04:27.15 | ltunes001 | NO! |
| 04:27.20 | kbateman | Yes. |
| 04:27.23 | ltunes001 | lol.. no, really |
| 04:27.48 | ltunes001 | you just dont trust mathematics.. i do it at university.. so why dont trust me? |
| 04:28.38 | ltunes001 | look on the logs of the online casinos when you hack them... you find nowhere a series of 15 black or red.. you realize? |
| 04:28.39 | kbateman | There's no way to teach you. You just have to lose all your money. |
| 04:29.07 | ltunes001 | kbateman, how if i played about 200rounds and still plan to win, actually, more:)/ |
| 04:29.08 | ltunes001 | ? |
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| 04:29.50 | ltunes001 | hehe... and i spent money you would go to cinema for.. well very small money like up to 15bugs... |
| 04:30.06 | Adalid_Negro | heyplease i need the iso: "Debian 5.0.1 i386 Bin-1" that contain lxde |
| 04:30.23 | Adalid_Negro | pleas help me give me a adresss in interneti cnn't fin it |
| 04:31.06 | kbateman | ltunes001: Either you're trolling me, or you're very mistaken. |
| 04:31.19 | ltunes001 | well and i have a fiance with an expensive taste.. so if i buy her cloth for 200bugs or go with 20 to casino.. well no harm is there, kbateman? and can i report back if i won? |
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| 04:32.01 | phantomcircuit | hi |
| 04:32.06 | phantomcircuit | audio isnt working |
| 04:32.09 | kbateman | Any strategy can be lucky and win in the short term. Your math is wrong. Just wrong. |
| 04:32.09 | phantomcircuit | i restarted hal |
| 04:32.15 | phantomcircuit | then i restarted dbus |
| 04:32.18 | phantomcircuit | still nto working |
| 04:32.28 | ltunes001 | kbateman, i dont bet on red as field.. i do economic studend way.. i put 1credit on every black for example.. and here in dubrovnik it's cheaper than in the bigger cities. so why you think i troll u kbateman ? |
| 04:32.31 | valdyn | 2^10 min bet is alot too |
| 04:32.32 | Bold` | later |
| 04:32.34 | phantomcircuit | also im using lenny |
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| 04:33.02 | phantomcircuit | help? |
| 04:33.18 | ltunes001 | mathematics and stochastics are founded on logic.. math is never wrong.. it cannot be... if math is wrong we would not exist.. |
| 04:33.33 | valdyn | ltunes001: youre wrong, not math |
| 04:33.44 | ltunes001 | as a mathematicain i disagree, kbateman |
| 04:33.48 | kbateman | notices his crank-o-meter starting to flicker |
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| 04:34.13 | ltunes001 | valdyn, can you point out the mistake it comes allong with "wrong"? |
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| 04:34.21 | phantomcircuit | anyways alsaconf here we go |
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| 04:34.47 | valdyn | ltunes001: you loose in roulette over time, thats very simple maths |
| 04:34.51 | valdyn | lose too |
| 04:35.02 | phantomcircuit | also sound totally still doesnt work even after reloading the alsa kernel modules |
| 04:35.02 | kbateman | he won't listen to me valdyn |
| 04:35.15 | ltunes001 | phantomcircuit, alsaconf can be replaced with the alsa daemons i think.. |
| 04:35.24 | valdyn | ltunes001: stop it |
| 04:35.38 | kbateman | ltunes001: is your table a single 0 or double 0? |
| 04:35.41 | ltunes001 | valdyn, ok but can i give u url? |
| 04:35.46 | ltunes001 | singe 0... |
| 04:35.47 | phantomcircuit | ltunes001, what? |
| 04:35.56 | ltunes001 | a link with the simulations... |
| 04:35.57 | phantomcircuit | yeah my sound died and im trying to figure out why |
| 04:35.58 | valdyn | ltunes001: no, thats silly |
| 04:36.15 | ltunes001 | ok.. np so we close this topic, fine with me |
| 04:36.21 | phantomcircuit | so far i have restared hal restarted dbus in general and reloaded the alsa kernel modules |
| 04:36.23 | phantomcircuit | no joy |
| 04:36.42 | ltunes001 | phantomcircuit, do an lspci to see what soundcard.. |
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| 04:37.06 | phantomcircuit | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 04:37.25 | ltunes001 | than look fore the modules.. try deactivate and activate them.. i had snd_intel_hda.. almost same problem as you.. well i fixed it myself:) |
| 04:37.42 | valdyn | snd-hda-intel even |
| 04:38.03 | iKs | Hey. I have no sound at all using Debian 5.0+ on a Dell Studio Slim I just bought. |
| 04:38.09 | valdyn | phantomcircuit: and its still broken after you restar the computer? |
| 04:38.09 | ltunes001 | well rmmod and modprobe it.. or try as sudo: alsa stop |
| 04:38.09 | iKs | http://pastebin.com/d4b37ac7b |
| 04:38.12 | ltunes001 | alsa start:) |
| 04:38.19 | iKs | I get this message when I try to click Test in System >> Preferences >> Sound in GNOME: |
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| 04:38.28 | iKs | audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=music: Could not open audio device for playback. |
| 04:38.45 | valdyn | ltunes001: that "stop it" referred to your daemon hint, as there is no alsa daemon |
| 04:39.23 | ltunes001 | well i mean this "alsa start / stop/ force-reload" what is it called than? |
| 04:39.29 | ltunes001 | module? |
| 04:39.43 | iKs | ltunes001, http://pastebin.com/d535f1253 |
| 04:39.56 | iKs | tried to google my problem |
| 04:40.00 | valdyn | ltunes001: its not a daemon, even if you can run it like that |
| 04:40.35 | iKs | oh, almost the same problem as phantomcircuit, funny. |
| 04:40.38 | valdyn | iKs: ignore those warnings |
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| 04:40.48 | iKs | valdyn, yeah bu it still doesn't work :/ |
| 04:40.49 | ltunes001 | ok sorry for that.. but if you kill it and then revive it should work i think...:) |
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| 04:41.03 | ltunes001 | well it worked on my snd_hda_intel or something like this... |
| 04:41.42 | iKs | so what I found was that using snd-hda-intel model=6stack-dell probe_[something]=1 in /etc/modconf.d/alsa-base should work |
| 04:41.52 | iKs | but it doesn't help apparently |
| 04:42.02 | ltunes001 | enjoys his headphones he happend to buy yesterday in Dubrovnik for 50 kuna:) |
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| 04:42.48 | ltunes001 | iKs, go futher.. and terminate the processes holding it back.. |
| 04:43.16 | ltunes001 | like ps -ef <pipe> grep alsa ... and kill -9 them:) |
| 04:44.00 | ltunes001 | it always work for me .. even when it's gdm causing problems... |
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| 04:44.21 | iKs | ltunes001, I rebooted a good number of times |
| 04:44.25 | ltunes001 | and if i feel like not having a good day i do sudo init 0 and go enjoy the fresh air outside |
| 04:44.43 | iKs | it should've killed every single process and restarted them |
| 04:44.49 | iKs | still not working though |
| 04:45.01 | ltunes001 | iKs, reboot will never help you, windows users reboot, linux be root:) remember this.. |
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| 04:46.25 | ltunes001 | what you do maybe iKs is recompile alsa with module-assistant if terminating and activating the proceses AFTER reboot not with a reboot... |
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| 04:47.00 | n3kl | What is a good imap server? |
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| 04:47.26 | ssm | n3kl: do you have any requirements for your imap server? |
| 04:47.27 | phantomcircuit | no idea why but i have sound again |
| 04:47.33 | n3kl | ssm: kerberos |
| 04:48.09 | n3kl | I was using dovecot for a couple years, and thats been working, but I have reason to swtich |
| 04:48.19 | ssm | n3kl: dovecot could be a good try |
| 04:48.23 | n3kl | just wondering if there was something better |
| 04:48.28 | n3kl | yeah |
| 04:48.30 | ssm | well |
| 04:48.31 | phantomcircuit | what's wrong with dovecot? :P |
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| 04:48.49 | n3kl | I can't figure out how to keep it from accessing files in the home directory of my users |
| 04:48.50 | ssm | imap servers in general can be a pain, one way or the other. |
| 04:49.06 | ssm | n3kl: _any_ file? |
| 04:49.22 | n3kl | I only use it to read my logs and stuff, but its nice to have imap, cause hten you have it on your phone, pda, office, work, ... |
| 04:49.29 | phantomcircuit | shit |
| 04:49.32 | phantomcircuit | it crashed again |
| 04:49.36 | phantomcircuit | this is officially gay |
| 04:49.45 | Thunderguy | How can I remove 'deselected' packages from my dpkg selections list, so that apt-move doesn't gather unneccessary packages when I use the sync command? ( ex. apt-move gets hundreds of packages I don't even have installed ) |
| 04:50.10 | n3kl | ssm: yeah, I want it to say out of the users home directory. I have read some stuff on it, and I have another option to try, so I am not at the end of the road yet |
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| 04:50.52 | ssm | n3kl: is http://wiki.dovecot.org/Chrooting of any use? |
| 04:51.39 | n3kl | ssm: hmm, maybe |
| 04:51.43 | n3kl | I will have to think about that one |
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| 05:05.00 | bitmonk | can anyone recommend a tool for mass account creation? useradd works ok in a script, but it expects a crypted password and i'm having trouble getting that to work, even with 'makepasswd' which also takes amazingly long for something that needs to run 10k times.. |
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| 05:06.18 | bitmonk | i just need to create a bunch of dummy accounts for receiving and processing of automated testing emails on a private network, security is not a concern except that, yanno, nothing really works in low security, so i just want to set the pw equal to the userid |
| 05:08.21 | wolle | bitmonk: get Don Libes: Exploring Expect from the library |
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| 05:09.35 | bitmonk | yeah, we can use expect, but why is that necessary for this? |
| 05:09.54 | wolle | bitmonk: it isn't. don't like it, don't use it. |
| 05:10.09 | bitmonk | it's not that, it's just, that seems unnecessary. |
| 05:10.24 | bitmonk | why is the 'passwd' command the only way to generate a valid shadow entry that is documented at all? |
| 05:10.29 | bitmonk | i've tried several examples in python to no avail |
| 05:10.43 | bitmonk | expect is going to slow down the process of creating 10k accounts moreso than thinking out the problem |
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| 05:12.10 | bitmonk | i mean, i can just generate the passwd entries in about 20s tops, i can create all the homedirs manually pretty quickly, etc.. |
| 05:12.15 | bitmonk | but yeh we will totally fall back on expect if nothing else |
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| 05:16.41 | eliasp_ | hi |
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| 05:26.14 | mrg | i have problem here with bitlbee . i installed but it run only in root user that i don't want . i have debian lenny and i installed it from sources |
| 05:27.20 | joeyjones | mrg: do you get an error when logging into to a normal user, or just not have one? |
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| 05:27.58 | mrg | joeyjones: i don't have bitlbee in normal user |
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| 05:28.21 | mrg | i can't run it |
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| 05:32.14 | joeyjones | mrg: it seems like bitbee is just a daemon, so there's no point in running it as root |
| 05:32.32 | joeyjones | or as anything else |
| 05:32.40 | joeyjones | it shouldn;t matter |
| 05:32.43 | mrg | joeyjones: i got this when i installed it http://pastebin.com/m1900d0ed |
| 05:33.47 | mrg | and it is only in bitlbee is /usr/sbin/bitlbee |
| 05:33.59 | mrg | not in /usr/bin .. |
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| 05:34.26 | joeyjones | mrg: rtfm - http://quark.humbug.org.au/publications/internet/bitlbee.pdf |
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| 05:38.47 | mrg | joeyjones: does bitlbee run standalon or it must be combine with irssi |
| 05:39.13 | TiMiDo | hey how do i see my /var/mail/username? |
| 05:39.14 | joeyjones | mrg: it's a server daemon, irssi is a client |
| 05:39.16 | TiMiDo | with what program? |
| 05:39.27 | joeyjones | TiMiDo: less <path> |
| 05:40.05 | Sazpaimon | my kern.log has the following message in it before i was forced to hard reboot: http://pastebin.com/m5ed970de |
| 05:40.09 | Sazpaimon | any idea what it means? |
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| 05:42.19 | mrg | joeyjones: so what shall i do . i read that document but nothing useful for me. so i installed a deamon and i need a client ? |
| 05:43.13 | joeyjones | mrg: it's jsut a fucking irc daemon with some other crap, connect to it. |
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| 05:49.16 | Deffie | having a 2.6.17 powerpc system which version of debian should i debootstrap ? |
| 05:52.01 | Deffie | etchnhalf ? |
| 05:52.06 | Deffie | exists for ppc ? |
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| 05:53.50 | Deffie | ok time to go :| |
| 05:53.52 | Deffie | bye! |
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| 05:56.01 | wolle | Sazpaimon: it means you've run into a kernel bug. since you seem to use a third-party binary-only kernel driver, this may or may not have anything to do with debian. |
| 05:56.45 | Sazpaimon | wolle, well it is the backport kernel, maybe i should try the default lenny kernel |
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| 05:57.44 | wolle | Sazpaimon: how do you account for the "Tainted" in your log? |
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| 05:57.59 | mrglinux | mrg hey |
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| 05:58.10 | Sazpaimon | wolle, I don't know, that's why I'm asking |
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| 06:00.34 | Sazpaimon | let me install lenny's linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 and see if it ever happens again |
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| 06:00.58 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 06:06.13 | Sazpaimon | Linux cultnet.net 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Mar 27 04:02:59 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 06:06.37 | Sazpaimon | now to see if it happens again. Thanks for the heads up wolle, i forgot i backported a kernel back on etch |
| 06:07.01 | wolle | Sazpaimon: no problem |
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| 06:22.41 | kopichu | hello anyone know how long a utp cat5 cable should NOT be? |
| 06:23.28 | mrg_ | cls |
| 06:23.33 | nsadmin | .0000000000000000000000000000000000000001 m? |
| 06:23.35 | plsd | kopichu, 300km? |
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| 06:24.03 | Luminax | max/min ? :P |
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| 06:24.10 | nsadmin | I thought it was 100m |
| 06:24.36 | mosno | nsadmin: lol |
| 06:24.47 | Luminax | well... you have to take into note the materials that the cable is made of |
| 06:24.55 | nsadmin | that too |
| 06:25.02 | Luminax | and the resistance factor calculated that would not produce too much drop in voltage |
| 06:25.46 | nsadmin | plus how things are shilded etc... but I thought "cat5" has standards for all that? |
| 06:25.46 | manu_hack | which package provides this file /usr/share/dict/american-english? |
| 06:25.46 | Luminax | and if we're going into technicallity, also consider the speed of electron so you do not introduce a lag into the system |
| 06:25.49 | manu_hack | wamerican? |
| 06:25.54 | Luminax | and yes, shielding from interference |
| 06:26.19 | nsadmin | well speed of the electrons and resistance of the wire are related |
| 06:26.25 | ajavid | yo |
| 06:26.41 | nsadmin | you could say the latter is an abbreviation of the former |
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| 06:28.12 | nsadmin | there should be minimum standards for all that... I think I remember reading that the max length for the worst cat5 is 100m |
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| 06:28.23 | kopichu | plsd, really? 300k wow! |
| 06:28.46 | nsadmin | you asked how long it snould not be :P |
| 06:28.59 | kopichu | nsadmin, good point lol |
| 06:29.27 | nsadmin | emmadentally the question threw us for a loop :P |
| 06:29.56 | kopichu | nsadmin i set up a home network - 2 XP and 1 debian - XP is the gateway using a hub |
| 06:29.56 | jelly-home | By Emma's teeth, I think you're right |
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| 06:30.20 | nsadmin | xp?? |
| 06:30.37 | nsadmin | ok, it's your choice |
| 06:30.59 | kopichu | yup, the connection to mine is just so slow - it's just 38 meters - not my choice - my sister's choice actually |
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| 06:32.04 | nsadmin | you ought to try transferring fairly big files between your machine and the gateway and measure the time and divide by the size |
| 06:32.16 | nsadmin | to find average rate |
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| 06:33.06 | kopichu | nsadmin, well i cant even try to transfer a small file. all i can do is ping it. i can see their shares allright but when i try to open their folders, it just lets me wait and wait and wait |
| 06:33.09 | nsadmin | maybe you can rule out the 38 meter link |
| 06:33.32 | kopichu | nsadmin, i guess. but that would mean that i am going to move my pc as well :) |
| 06:33.33 | nsadmin | maybe you can get her to transfer something from you |
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| 06:33.49 | jelly-home | kopichu: the output of ifconfig will show you some types of issues (collisions, dropped packets) |
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| 06:34.09 | nsadmin | by "rule out" I mean "determine it's not the problem" |
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| 06:34.31 | kopichu | nsadmin hmmm... |
| 06:34.36 | kopichu | scratches chin |
| 06:34.59 | jelly-home | kopichu: dmesg will usually show you the negotiated speed |
| 06:35.30 | nsadmin | kopichu: for example... say you set up a temporary web server, and make some huge file available... like a cd image or something like that... |
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| 06:35.46 | jelly-home | kopichu: use iperf to test the bandwidth, that way you can exclude protocol and disk as bottlenecks |
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| 06:35.53 | nsadmin | then get your sister to pull that file onto her computer, and see how long it takes |
| 06:35.59 | jelly-home | nsadmin: that's not the way to do it |
| 06:36.06 | kopichu | ok ill try that |
| 06:36.09 | nsadmin | well it's one way |
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| 06:36.20 | kopichu | the funny thing is we can play network games allright |
| 06:36.28 | nsadmin | but jelly, you probably know a cooler way |
| 06:36.33 | jelly-home | it doesn't tell you whether the bottleneck is cpu or disk or network |
| 06:36.39 | nsadmin | true |
| 06:36.45 | kopichu | we played tremulous and everyone seems to be on fine |
| 06:36.49 | jelly-home | I just suggested iperf. |
| 06:36.55 | kopichu | ok |
| 06:37.12 | nsadmin | what does that do? |
| 06:37.37 | jelly-home | justin: info iperf |
| 06:37.41 | jelly-home | argh |
| 06:37.46 | jelly-home | judd: info iperf |
| 06:37.47 | judd | jelly-home: iperf (net): is optional; Version: 2.0.4-1; Size: 51.5k; Installed: 152k -- Internet Protocol bandwidth measuring tool |
| 06:37.57 | kopichu | Iperf is a commonly used network testing tool that can create TCP and UDP data streams and measure the throughput of a network that is carrying them |
| 06:38.25 | jelly-home | their web site has windows builds |
| 06:38.36 | nsadmin | kopichu: ok, so use that instead of transferring a file, it's much simpler than setting up a web server |
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| 06:39.09 | kopichu | u guys are awesome ima try that now . laterz |
| 06:39.18 | nsadmin | jelly-home do you have to have it running on both ends? |
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| 06:39.46 | jelly-home | nsadmin: yep, one as server, and one or more clients at the other end |
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| 06:40.18 | nsadmin | so the sister would have to run it on the gateway |
| 06:40.19 | jelly-home | (or different clients) |
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| 06:44.07 | xingu | jelly-home, nsadmin: fyi 802.3ab spec is max 100m cable run per segment |
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| 06:45.28 | superjoe | just curious, why isn't code |
| 06:45.36 | superjoe | just curious, why isn't code::blocks in the repository? |
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| 06:48.10 | basanta | I am looking for Virtual Reality car racing game in debian |
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| 06:50.03 | superjoe | I haven't played it but torcs looks like one |
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| 06:52.15 | basanta | superjoe, that's the name I was looking for |
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| 06:53.40 | superjoe | basanta: FYI I typed "apt-cache search race game" |
| 06:54.29 | nsadmin | you want a game to see who's faster at searching?! |
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| 06:55.16 | superjoe | lolwut |
| 06:55.21 | basanta | superjoe, I didn't know I could do that |
| 06:55.39 | jelly-home | !tell basanta about search |
| 06:55.40 | superjoe | now you know :) |
| 06:55.50 | superjoe | btw this game is sweet |
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| 06:56.04 | majhool | yeah torcs is crazy |
| 06:56.16 | superjoe | the drifting is fun |
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| 06:57.58 | unixluser | how do i do a listing of files in order of most recently modified /created |
| 06:58.11 | basanta | superjoe, FYI I have problem in one of my eyes "lazy eye" and I am looking for a VR game because I have read that it can correct the problem |
| 06:59.02 | superjoe | cool |
| 06:59.06 | jelly-home | unixluser: man ls will tell you about the --sort option |
| 06:59.10 | basanta | superjoe, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4849244.stm |
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| 06:59.13 | superjoe | this makes me want to play need for speed underground |
| 06:59.16 | superjoe | that game was awesome |
| 06:59.38 | basanta | superjoe, is NFS available for debian? |
| 06:59.40 | pl4yer0ne | unixluser, you may be just looking for the -t switch |
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| 06:59.52 | superjoe | nope, that's closed source windows crap |
| 07:00.20 | basanta | superjoe, oh ok |
| 07:00.28 | majhool | nfs? |
| 07:00.44 | majhool | you mean ntfs? |
| 07:00.50 | basanta | superjoe, I came across this one slune |
| 07:00.51 | superjoe | <superjoe> this makes me want to play need for speed underground |
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| 07:01.42 | basanta | majhool, NFS=Need for Speed |
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| 07:01.51 | simonrvn | basanta: NFS is in the kernel, so yes, it is part of debian. that's not really a distro question. NTFS is also in the kernel, but read-only. |
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| 07:01.57 | majhool | :( |
| 07:02.21 | jelly-home | tla overload fail |
| 07:02.33 | superjoe | yep |
| 07:02.37 | simonrvn | (and 2 COMPLETELY different things) |
| 07:02.50 | simonrvn | jelly-home: NFK ;) |
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| 07:02.58 | nsadmin | people still use tla?? |
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| 07:03.15 | jelly-home | !penixstrike nsadmin |
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| 07:06.26 | simonrvn | is wondering when he's gonna get larted |
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| 07:09.05 | nsadmin | so how would I go about getting git and git-gui (and git-core) as packages on an etch? |
| 07:09.55 | superjoe | on etch? why are you not on lenny? |
| 07:10.04 | nsadmin | which I'm not prepared to upgrade right now |
| 07:10.12 | nsadmin | I do have lenny on the laptop tho |
| 07:10.58 | jelly-home | nsadmin: have you heard about backports.org? |
| 07:11.13 | nsadmin | I do have backports in my sources |
| 07:11.26 | jelly-home | ok...? |
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| 07:11.28 | nsadmin | well, ok, so I started out with backports, |
| 07:11.36 | nsadmin | I get this error: |
| 07:11.48 | nsadmin | git-gui: Depends: git-core (> 1:1.5.6.5) but 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch2 is to be installed |
| 07:12.06 | nsadmin | thought one line woudl be enough :P |
| 07:12.12 | jelly-home | what exact command did you use? |
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| 07:12.21 | nsadmin | apt-get install git-core |
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| 07:12.29 | nsadmin | I'll pastebin my sources |
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| 07:12.47 | jelly-home | that won't work because backports aren't used automatically |
| 07:13.18 | jelly-home | nsadmin: something like aptitude install git-gui/etch-backports should work better |
| 07:13.20 | nsadmin | http://pastebin.ca/1407099 |
| 07:13.43 | nsadmin | ok, so that woudl be the problem I suppose |
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| 07:14.02 | nsadmin | that exact command with the slash and everything? |
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| 07:14.22 | jelly-home | yes, I try not to write inexact commands |
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| 07:14.52 | jelly-home | (or apt-get -t etch-backports install ... but you ought to use aptitude anyway ;-) |
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| 07:15.18 | nsadmin | great :) thanks |
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| 07:22.02 | fredl | what's a nice (preferably PHP/MySQL) wiki server on Debian that support multi-sites a bit more friendly than mediawiki? |
| 07:23.09 | fredl | (since people on #mediawiki tell me that 'Debian does everything differently') |
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| 07:26.17 | dondelelcaro | fredl: there's no reason why mediawiki wouldn't work |
| 07:26.34 | dondelelcaro | fredl: our apache configuration isn't all that different from everyone else's, and that's pretty much all that matters |
| 07:26.36 | aspect | fredl: I like dokuwiki, personally -- the support channel on freenode is pretty good also, if often quiet :) |
| 07:26.48 | dondelelcaro | fredl: but ikiwiki is pretty useful, too. |
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| 07:27.04 | aspect | thinks it's mediawiki that does everything differently ;-) |
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| 07:30.47 | nsadmin | fredl: debian does do many things differently... I suppose that's the result of different people doing it |
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| 07:44.36 | nsadmin | !test |
| 07:44.36 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 07:49.49 | carl_ | i am trying to add the verisign intermediate cert to my cert store for ssl under debian, but i cant seem to get it to work, can anybody point me at some documentation on how this is done? |
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| 08:20.43 | AlexC_ | morning Earthlets |
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| 08:20.59 | superjoe | Hello AlexC_ |
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| 08:21.17 | AlexC_ | how can I trace/get info on a curl command? I'm still having epic problems where curl/wget is just sitting there waiting for a response from a server that it never gets, really need to track it down |
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| 08:21.58 | superjoe | man wget |
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| 08:22.03 | superjoe | there's probably a verbose option |
| 08:22.21 | AlexC_ | superjoe, indeed, I've tried with -vd and it sits there at waiting for response |
| 08:22.33 | superjoe | you could try wireshark |
| 08:22.35 | AlexC_ | trouble is, it never gets the response. It connects just fine, the server is up and alive |
| 08:22.54 | superjoe | or wget it from your friend's computer or a server or something |
| 08:22.57 | superjoe | see if it's your machine |
| 08:23.17 | nkuttler | AlexC_: still you? what was the host again? |
| 08:23.32 | AlexC_ | nkuttler, still me. Of which? |
| 08:23.52 | nkuttler | AlexC_: or does wget fail for all hosts? |
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| 08:24.25 | AlexC_ | nkuttler, it is hit or miss. Sometimes 'wget www.google.co.uk' is incredibly slow, but it completes - sometimes it sits there |
| 08:24.37 | nkuttler | AlexC_: sounds like a routing problem |
| 08:25.02 | nkuttler | AlexC_: traceroute, identify slow host, bug owner |
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| 08:26.54 | AlexC_ | nkuttler, hum, could be indeed. This server does have an epic amount of virtual IP addresses (don't ask :P), and the routing table does look a little funky. Though, why it would just give up I don't know. Unless you mean routing outside of the server, ie in the data center? |
| 08:27.44 | superjoe | I sense an overused word |
| 08:27.44 | unomi | anyone here use gforge? |
| 08:27.50 | superjoe | quitting the channel |
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| 08:28.15 | nkuttler | AlexC_: timeout? i think there's a wget option for that |
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| 08:30.54 | streuner_ | unomi: just ask |
| 08:31.29 | AlexC_ | nkuttler, setting it to 4 seconds says connection timed out for www.google.co.uk, though it also said it connected |
| 08:31.34 | AlexC_ | which is quite confusing |
| 08:31.47 | streuner_ | !+tell unomi -about ask |
| 08:31.48 | dpkg | told unomi about ask. |
| 08:31.50 | nkuttler | AlexC_: it connects and times out after that |
| 08:32.05 | nkuttler | AlexC_: telnet on port 80, GET |
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| 08:36.46 | AlexC_ | nkuttler, I get a response, granted a HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request |
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| 08:38.11 | anoHito | apt-cache search mysqlcheck |
| 08:38.13 | anoHito | nothing |
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| 08:38.43 | JonkoPA | i'm in search of an ttf font that is readable in really small sizes |
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| 08:40.16 | AlexC_ | nkuttler, ah, wait. Setting the 'Host' header it is now hanging there |
| 08:41.10 | anoHito | how can i find mysqlcheck in debian,do i need to install mysql-client ? |
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| 08:42.28 | themill | dpkg: tell anoHito about search |
| 08:44.20 | anoHito | themill, thanks, and i am using mysql 5, there is mysql-client-5.0 and mysql-client, which one i need ? |
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| 08:45.23 | themill | anoHito: check the description for mysql-client (apt-cache show mysql-client) |
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| 08:49.45 | telenieko | hi ppl. How can I download a package that is in the NEW queue? (lxc) |
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| 08:52.08 | themill | telenieko: you can't -- debian hasn't decided if it is allowed to distribute it yet |
| 08:52.45 | telenieko | themill: but at least the source packages should be downloadable from somewhre, shouldn't they? (I can built it, but I need the source package atleast) |
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| 08:54.18 | themill | telenieko: the source might not be distributable either. |
| 08:54.46 | telenieko | ok themill, thanks ;) |
| 08:55.55 | russo | hi all, everytime i reboot my /etc/fstab changes, what am i doing wrong, is /etc/fstab generated on boot by some daemon? |
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| 08:58.56 | russo | nevermind, i was typing the wrong FS type |
| 08:59.00 | russo | maybe that was the problem |
| 08:59.02 | mrglinux | are there any word list for spell checking or incorrect word replacement for irssi in debian ? |
| 08:59.30 | zhxk | hello:themill |
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| 09:01.44 | zhxk | hello, anybody has IRC server urls at the USA? |
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| 09:05.04 | fredl | dondelelcaro, aspect, nsadmin : sorry for not responding earlier, I had a non-maskable interrupt shortly about asking about the wiki |
| 09:06.09 | fredl | I'm just having a hard time setting up mediawiki for multi-site with the Debian package, can't find any decent docs for how to do it properly. |
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| 09:10.11 | ltunes001 | reporting back kbateman and valdyn.. i actually played for 90 minuts and i won 13eur in the casino playing roulette for 100rounds:) |
| 09:10.22 | ltunes001 | now who is the champ:)? |
| 09:10.48 | SPF | if you have a segmentation fault, where can I find it's core dump? |
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| 09:10.56 | wsxws | hi all |
| 09:12.02 | ltunes001 | valdyn, recognize i do math the proper way:)? or you tell me i was lucky one more of those many days i go? |
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| 09:13.47 | wsxws | im runnind a webserver, located at a datacenter, with lenny. i also use clamav and added debian-volatile to the sources list. i did apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade. everything is upgraded fine except the clamav. apt-get always tells me : the following packages has ben restrained: clamav |
| 09:14.06 | wsxws | why is this and is there a way to force it to upgrade this package ? |
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| 09:17.18 | unomi | streuner_: thanks, im just idling |
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| 09:17.34 | unomi | trying to find a peaceful place on the internets to have my lunch |
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| 09:18.09 | unomi | re gforge, it was just a general question |
| 09:18.18 | unomi | I don't have any specific questions |
| 09:18.31 | unomi | Ive just installed it and not sure where to start :) |
| 09:20.10 | unomi | however, I do have questions regarding bouml |
| 09:20.30 | unomi | ive just downloaded the package from arakhne |
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| 09:21.08 | unomi | http://download.tuxfamily.org/arakhne/pool/b/bouml/4.12/ |
| 09:21.16 | unomi | the 21.1mb tar.gz |
| 09:21.28 | unomi | and I am wondering how I .. |
| 09:21.44 | unomi | ah nevermind I suppose it is what the .deb would download |
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| 09:22.57 | ltunes001 | unomi, not reading even what you are writing i can see you write a lot and you like the enter key:) but I must go now |
| 09:23.13 | unomi | the enter key is critical |
| 09:23.43 | unomi | and yeah, I prefer to let even the things I should have erased be said |
| 09:23.52 | unomi | enjoy |
| 09:24.03 | unomi | good luck with your roulette |
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| 09:24.42 | ltunes001 | :) |
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| 09:25.32 | unomi | ok, when faced with a ubuntu package |
| 09:25.38 | unomi | is it safe to install? |
| 09:25.47 | unomi | http://www.arakhne.org/bouml/ |
| 09:27.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | no |
| 09:27.23 | unomi | can I install squeeze packages on lenny? |
| 09:27.28 | unomi | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=bouml |
| 09:27.44 | themill | no |
| 09:27.49 | unomi | :( |
| 09:27.55 | AlexC_ | you can |
| 09:28.05 | unomi | but it will break? |
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| 09:28.21 | AlexC_ | not ideal, but you can. Read up about apt pinning etc, I don't have a link at hand sorry |
| 09:28.28 | unomi | alright |
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| 09:29.57 | unomi | between pinning and building from source |
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| 09:30.06 | unomi | source would be preferable no? |
| 09:30.29 | themill | unomi: making a backport is vastly preferable. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 09:31.55 | unomi | thanks for that |
| 09:32.00 | unomi | one last question |
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| 09:32.45 | unomi | i presume that there would be less changes between squeeze and lenny vs sid and lenny and in this case the version of bouml that is available is the same |
| 09:34.01 | themill | unomi: squeeze and sid are very similar. testing and unstable are usually almost the same except when we get close to a release (/msg dpkg freeze ; /msg dpkg slushy) |
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| 09:39.47 | anoHito | after i reset passwd for mysql root,do i need to restart mysql ? |
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| 09:48.17 | raca | anoHito, afaiak no, but it won't problably wont kill connections with the old pass |
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| 09:54.23 | anoHito | raca, thanks,but |
| 09:54.37 | anoHito | in redhat,we run mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables & to log in mysql without a root passwd required |
| 09:54.41 | anoHito | how do i do that in debian ? |
| 09:57.52 | themill | !i forgot mysql root password |
| 09:57.52 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html, or <mysql initial password> |
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| 09:59.37 | jelly | unomi: fwiw, using stable + pinning is very likely to result in a broken system |
| 09:59.42 | jelly | !pinning |
| 09:59.42 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 10:02.50 | unomi | thanks jelly |
| 10:03.18 | unomi | i think themill has set me on the righteous path |
| 10:03.29 | jelly | yes. |
| 10:03.31 | themill | !win me |
| 10:03.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won the US presidency! |
| 10:03.52 | unomi | sounds like a pyrrhic victory :p |
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| 10:04.36 | McNult1 | I've got a binary that's being run nightly, but I can't find it in crontab - what else might be executing it? |
| 10:04.45 | McNult1 | (it's a spamassassin learn script) |
| 10:05.37 | sep | McNult1, look in /etc cron.daily or cron.d |
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| 10:08.19 | McNult1 | ah it's in /etc/cron.spam which is listed in /etc/crontab |
| 10:08.20 | McNult1 | thanks sep |
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| 10:10.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi all, how can i ensure my system doesnt attempt to pick up an IPV6 address/unload the ipv6 modules? |
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| 10:11.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | sorry, i'm asking the bot, should have started with it |
| 10:11.32 | jelly | judd: info amarok14 |
| 10:11.44 | jelly | judd: versions amarok14 |
| 10:11.44 | judd | jelly: amarok14 -- |
| 10:11.48 | jelly | meh |
| 10:12.18 | zhxk | well any body help me to explain what is "the father of my son" that comes from a music of Ireland band |
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| 10:15.10 | jelly | zhxk: you should ask that in #debian-offtopic |
| 10:15.36 | jelly | (or some other social channel) |
| 10:16.32 | anoHito | is is true on debian, we cannot delete the default anonymous user in mysql or we won't be log in mysql anymore / |
| 10:16.33 | anoHito | ? |
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| 10:17.33 | jelly | !tell Kamping_Kaiser -about noipv6 |
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| 10:24.13 | themill | anoHito: which "default anonymous user" is this? |
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| 10:25.38 | anoHito | themill, it is blank in the user part as being seeing in my eyes. |
| 10:26.55 | themill | anoHito: I have no such user on any of my machines and have never seen one. |
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| 10:27.27 | anoHito | themill, then it is very strange. |
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| 10:30.30 | anoHito | themill, also , in dmesg i found strange stuff. |
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| 10:32.17 | anoHito | themill, may i ask a question please ? |
| 10:32.46 | anoHito | themill, have you ever tried to put the web and database aparted in different servers to gain faster speeds ? |
| 10:34.54 | themill | I've had to do that for other reasons but I certainly didn't get faster serving .... (the db server ended up on the other side of the world for a while... not conducive to faster serving). I'm sure others have done so though. Ask specific questions and someone (else) will probably answer. |
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| 10:37.44 | jelly | anoHito: when trying to optimize performance, you first need to isolate a specific bottleneck. Is it CPU, disk, network? What uses it the most? |
| 10:38.23 | anoHito | jelly, very strange |
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| 10:38.39 | anoHito | themill, okay. i am asking jelly haha. |
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| 10:39.06 | anoHito | jelly, while the system load is high say over 5 to much more ,normal it should be under 1 . |
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| 10:39.43 | anoHito | CPU usage is only less than 2% , RAM usage is very normal, about 1GIG physical RAM is totally free,not including those cached RAM. |
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| 10:40.01 | stew | anoHito: which is higher? cpu% or wa%? |
| 10:40.02 | lng | hi! how to set time to UTC+1? |
| 10:40.15 | Guerin | !system load |
| 10:40.20 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:40.27 | jelly | !loadavg |
| 10:40.27 | dpkg | it has been said that loadavg is the average load on the system, counted in "the number of CPUs you could run at 100% now". It isn't very accurate, but gives a good estimate. |
| 10:40.33 | Guerin | there we are |
| 10:40.47 | Guerin | except it doesn't really tell you that |
| 10:40.48 | stew | lng: /msg dpkg timezone |
| 10:40.53 | jelly | anoHito: how many CPU cores does the machine have? |
| 10:41.05 | anoHito | 4 cores of Xeon. |
| 10:41.20 | Guerin | because a process which is waiting for some reason counts as one process, when it actually isn't using any cpu time at all |
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| 10:41.24 | anoHito | jelly, just some very small site run forums. |
| 10:41.45 | jelly | anoHito: so anything below load average or 4 means all the run queues are not full |
| 10:41.52 | jelly | of* 4 |
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| 10:42.11 | anoHito | jelly, what ? |
| 10:42.13 | stew | depends |
| 10:42.41 | anoHito | jelly, you mean the load average is 4 or around means it is okay ? |
| 10:42.54 | stew | when your load is 3 and all are waiting for 1 disk you are running 3x your capacity, not 3/4 of your capacity |
| 10:43.01 | jelly | anoHito: it means "low enough that the machine can handle it" |
| 10:43.04 | stew | anoHito: depends on what is contributing to the load |
| 10:43.35 | anoHito | jelly, but since i have been put the server in the old datacentre i got load average less than 1 in most of times ,except in the middle of night when there are lots of logs are generagted by the system. |
| 10:43.47 | jelly | anoHito: use vmstat and iostat to figure out if there's a disk (io) bottleneck |
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| 10:43.56 | anoHito | i just moved to another datacenter,shit happens. till now this problem has not been fixed yet. |
| 10:44.15 | jelly | keeping the same hardware? |
| 10:44.26 | anoHito | The only different is this new datacentre binded 2 public IPs in the same nic. |
| 10:44.49 | anoHito | I used to have 1 public IP in eth0,no problem at all,the debian ran as a STONe. |
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| 10:46.04 | anoHito | all the same, jelly . First i suspect the attacks. but the datacentre has the same hardware firewalls from the old one, they have set the things all up for me, invited the firewall tech support to come to us together to try to fix it out, no luck,they say: No attack. |
| 10:46.27 | jelly | anoHito: run "vmstat 1" ... the b column will tell you if there are processes waiting for disk; excessive wa and sy time columns point to problems, too |
| 10:46.27 | anoHito | The high load happens when there are database access somewhat like that. |
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| 10:47.14 | anoHito | you mean bi ? |
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| 10:47.24 | Python1320 | asd |
| 10:47.34 | jelly | anoHito: no, b (second from the left) |
| 10:47.39 | anoHito | jelly, in 'b',most of the numbers are zero. |
| 10:48.11 | JyZyXEL | what controls dmesg? |
| 10:48.16 | stew | anoHito: which is highest, us sy id wa ? |
| 10:48.17 | jelly | anoHito: that probably rules out disk writing as bottleneck |
| 10:48.39 | jelly | anoHito: pastebin 20-100 lines of "vmstat 1" while the system is unusually loaded |
| 10:49.01 | anoHito | let me check. |
| 10:49.36 | JyZyXEL | my dmesg is fucking useless cause shorewall keeps writing shit in there |
| 10:50.10 | stew | JyZyXEL: dmesg is the "kernel ring buffer", so the kernel controls it |
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| 10:50.36 | anoHito | stew, the us and sy and wa are mostly give the number 0, except id, id always give an average number say 97,99,100. |
| 10:50.49 | JyZyXEL | i need to make shorewall not be able to write in it |
| 10:50.50 | stew | anoHito: and what is the load currently? |
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| 10:51.04 | stew | JyZyXEL: remove the firewall rules which are -j LOG |
| 10:51.11 | anoHito | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:51.31 | JyZyXEL | can i just somehow ignore all the iptable shit from dmesg? |
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| 10:51.47 | anoHito | stew, http://122.225.102.208/phpsysinfo/ and http://60.12.106.208/phpsysinfo/ |
| 10:52.03 | anoHito | There the phpsysinfo show the up2dated load avg and stuff. |
| 10:52.06 | stew | JyZyXEL: "dmesg | grep -v SOMETHING" will remove lines containing SOMETHING from dmesg |
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| 10:52.57 | JyZyXEL | so alias dmesg='dmesg | grep -v Shorewall' |
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| 10:53.16 | anoHito | stew, wa is always 0 or so,while us is from 1 to 2, while sy changes from 0 to 2, while id keeps on high value -->98 to 100. |
| 10:53.38 | stew | JyZyXEL: if you never want to read the log messages from your firewall, remove the logging rules |
| 10:53.46 | p0g0__ | JyZyXEL: there are log level settings in shorewall's config- you'd need to read the docs to figure what setting you want. |
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| 10:54.15 | beardy | You can also use ulog, if shorewall supports it. |
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| 10:55.15 | JyZyXEL | yea i've already tried everything it won't stop |
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| 10:56.11 | JyZyXEL | problem with grepping is ofc |
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| 10:56.24 | JyZyXEL | shorewall will fucking fill the dmesg so fast that there is nothing left |
| 10:56.49 | anoHito | jelly,can you teach me how do check with iostat ? |
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| 10:56.50 | beardy | JyZyXEL: /var/log/dmesg if you seek the one from the bootup |
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| 10:56.56 | stew | JyZyXEL: then you must either fix shorewall or stop using it |
| 10:57.38 | beardy | JyZyXEL: Let me recommend firehol, and ulog. |
| 10:58.11 | anoHito | stew, and jelly ,or maybe it is really the disk bottleheck ? this disk has been used for 1 year and a half, sata. |
| 10:58.11 | jelly | anoHito: so your system is pretty much idle. Is there a problem? |
| 10:58.23 | stew | anoHito: not if wa% is low |
| 10:58.23 | p0g0__ | JyZyXEL: it's managable- I've used shorewall for years- you just need to set the config and rules correctly for logging. |
| 10:58.43 | stew | anoHito: do you have processes in the Z state? |
| 10:58.49 | JyZyXEL | you can't turn it off from the config |
| 10:59.07 | JyZyXEL | and no matter what you set the logfile it always comes to dmesg |
| 10:59.19 | anoHito | i do not see there is a 'z' title when i run vmstat 1 |
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| 11:00.13 | stew | anoHito: no, you'd have to check with ps |
| 11:00.22 | stew | JyZyXEL: then stop using it |
| 11:01.37 | p0g0__ | JyZyXEL: have you set the LOGRATE var in the config file? |
| 11:01.46 | JyZyXEL | no |
| 11:02.06 | anoHito | stew, i run ps auxw, i only find stuff that stated from S ,D, S1 ,Ss ...no Z. |
| 11:04.14 | anoHito | stew, and jelly ,would you allow me to do a very normal action in my system to boom up the Load avg,while i will copy the last 30 lines in vmstat to pastebin okay ? |
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| 11:04.24 | lip_skip_vt | hi |
| 11:04.40 | stew | anoHito: i'll allow you |
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| 11:05.21 | anoHito | stew, and jelly , i can do it in 2 ways i have found . 1. use rm to delte files will cause a high load . 2. database actions. wait. |
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| 11:05.53 | stew | anoHito: both are probably causing disk io to be the bottleneck |
| 11:06.11 | Bac0n | i have problem updating my testing http://paste.debian.net/34730/ |
| 11:06.18 | anoHito | stew, i am doing it now, i am doing in screen with rm -rf /ea |
| 11:06.27 | anoHito | there retores outdated php cache files. |
| 11:06.35 | Bac0n | i have no clue what it can be |
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| 11:07.02 | anoHito | stew, the load avg http://122.225.102.208/phpsysinfo/ |
| 11:08.25 | anoHito | stew, wow, many zero come in the 'wa' part now. |
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| 11:09.37 | anoHito | stew, please check. http://pastebin.ca/1407229 |
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| 11:11.20 | anoHito | stew, okay, now i will quit the deleting job, i will switch to do some database action,i will just do it normally ,like i am gonna go to the control panel webhosting thing ,there i just go in and go out from the pages in the panel and stuff , i will copy and paste too. |
| 11:11.37 | stew | anoHito: yes, you have a disk bottleneck, wa is non-zero. as is expected when you do an operation that requires lots of disk access like "rm -rf /ea" |
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| 11:12.27 | anoHito | stew, wa is non-zero ? i thought you was saying if wa% was low,then it would be a disk bottleheck ? |
| 11:13.09 | stew | anoHito: wa% is the percentage of time that a process wanted to do something, but couldn't becuase it was stuck waiting for io to complete |
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| 11:14.23 | anoHito | stew, hmm for plaint english expression, does that mean saying the value of wa is higher aka 100 around is good,the lower value the worse that all go for the disk bottlleheck ? |
| 11:14.53 | stew | anoHito: no, lower is better |
| 11:15.01 | anoHito | faints |
| 11:15.18 | jerlique | I was doing apt-search openssh-server and the apt-get install openssh-server but its asking for my cdrom, which I dont have. I have then edited soures.list but now apt-search cant find the package. ANy ideas why? |
| 11:16.03 | anoHito | stew, if so, before i did that rm testing, the result of wa were stuck around 98 to 100, did that mean even i didn't do rm jobs, there was an apparent disk bottleheck already ? |
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| 11:19.01 | anoHito | stew, sorry, i mistaken the two wa and id,sorry. hmm |
| 11:19.42 | stew | jerlique: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 11:20.14 | jerlique | ahh aptitue update!!! |
| 11:20.16 | jerlique | thanks! |
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| 11:24.14 | jerlique | stew: is there a way to search for a particualr version of a package eg libtool v1.9 |
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| 11:25.45 | stew | jerlique: "apt-cache policy libtool" would show you all the available versions of libtool |
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| 11:26.40 | anoHito | stew, i checked it again,this time i went to the web ,there i suffering in the control center to list the webhositng users,checking their info and stuff, it was slow ,i check the wa value, they boom up to 20 or 40 or so,when i didn't do something there,the wa value back to 0. |
| 11:27.04 | anoHito | stew, according to this and according to your experiences,would you think this SHOULD be a disk bottleneck ? |
| 11:27.20 | stew | anoHito: yes, but you probably should be doing some tuning to your database engine |
| 11:27.38 | anoHito | I see. |
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| 11:27.58 | stew | anoHito: the default configs in debian don't allow the database engines to use much ram. Giving them more ram can keep them from needing to use the disk as often |
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| 11:29.06 | anoHito | stew, Yes i have done that before already,strange is this high load problem didn't exit in the old datacentre right before i moved it to another place. can it be the DISK damange in physically little bit due to the transportation ? wow |
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| 11:29.30 | stew | anoHito: you don't seem to have a high load problem |
| 11:29.32 | anoHito | stew, I mean, i haven't changed the config in software before i sent it to the new room for my server. |
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| 11:30.43 | stew | anoHito: and no, this is not due to damage, if it was, you'd have big problems |
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| 11:31.16 | anoHito | stew, i could have so many mysql processes while having a high load http://122.225.102.208/Snap7.jpg |
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| 11:32.24 | stew | anoHito: i don't understand the question |
| 11:33.50 | anoHito | stew, i could had so many mysql process while having a very high load ,say the load avg was 500 |
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| 11:34.21 | anoHito | stew, then i upgraded mysql and php to the last stable few days ago,after that it seems the msyql too many processes issue has been fixed right away,weird. |
| 11:34.44 | anoHito | stew, forget about it, and i am sorry to ask too much. |
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| 11:35.34 | anoHito | stew, Thank you very much ,at least you have helped me find one of the keys - the bottleneck from the disk . Yet the technicals here found nothing -telling me to reinstall my dear debian,they such. |
| 11:35.34 | wolfy_net | hi guys ive just recently done an upgrade and now whenever I play a DVD I get alot of purple in the picture. im guessing it has something to do with gstreamer codecs, but how can i fix this. ive tried to search for the problem but i dont know how to word it :S |
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| 11:36.18 | Sebboh | What's the standard unix tool that will show me only the first 80 chars of each line in a file? Or, 75. |
| 11:36.34 | wolfy_net | I remember i had the same issue a while back and i tinkered with the gstreamer properties and it fixed it. but this time no go |
| 11:36.44 | lip_skip_vt | Sebboh, uniq -w 80 ? |
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| 11:37.16 | lip_skip_vt | Sebboh, sry, its just to compare, but sed should do it |
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| 11:38.09 | Sebboh | it's like, tr, or something. :P |
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| 11:38.42 | flower | where are the repo keys displayed in debian? |
| 11:38.56 | flower | placed |
| 11:40.30 | abrotman | you mean for apt-key ? |
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| 11:43.19 | anoHito | can anyone correct me about mysqlcheck -a -c -o -r --all-databasesã-uroot -p ,i would like to to fix the giveing indexing, optimal the giving tables. is that command okay ? |
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| 11:43.52 | Sebboh | lip_skip_vt, I found it. "cut -c 75 file" does what I require. |
| 11:44.05 | lip_skip_vt | Sebboh, k |
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| 11:44.39 | stew | flower: man apt-key |
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| 11:47.56 | Sebboh | "cut -c -75 file" I mean. :P For those of you taking notes. |
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| 11:48.24 | svip | Seems to me the current version of ImageMagick in the repository is kinda buggy. |
| 11:48.39 | svip | When started with ulimit, convert simply deadlocks and waits forever. |
| 11:48.48 | svip | Clogging up everything, until the server finally gives up. |
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| 11:50.13 | Sergiusz | hi |
| 11:50.16 | Sergiusz | http://change.menelgame.pl/change_please/9840220/ |
| 11:50.23 | Sergiusz | thanks for entring its polish online game |
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| 11:51.30 | hoxu | !ops Sergiusz spamming |
| 11:51.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: Sergiusz spamming |
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| 12:02.59 | samael | hello |
| 12:03.58 | samael | I need an internal 128K ISDN modem for my debian box and I'd like it to work almost out-of-the-box. any suggestion? |
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| 12:05.59 | telmich | I'm trying to netboot a dell r610, which fails, because 2.6.26-2 does not contain the necessary drivers |
| 12:06.17 | telmich | ubuntu 8.0.4.1 alternate works, though |
| 12:06.37 | nkuttler | telmich: what drivers? |
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| 12:06.58 | telmich | nkuttler: wait a second, ubuntu is starting up - but i guess bnx2 |
| 12:07.21 | telmich | I just remember that I had the same problems about a YEAR ago with dell 1955 blades |
| 12:08.20 | nkuttler | telmich: is the module not compiled or is just the firmware missing? |
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| 12:08.49 | telmich | nkuttler: no idea, I'm getting a kernel panic, because it cannot access the nfs-server for the nfsroot |
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| 12:09.09 | nkuttler | telmich: /msg dpkg netboot |
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| 12:09.51 | telmich | yep, bnx2 |
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| 12:10.47 | giupy | i have kdm at boot and X crashes instantly and i can't do nothing, system freezes, i can only use powerbutton, how can i make kdm down before it starts ? |
| 12:10.53 | cadu | hey does anyone know a package i can use to see the connectons to my HTTP server realtime? like an ncurses app that shows what connections are open and at what speed |
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| 12:11.22 | giupy | my system is unusable at now |
| 12:11.40 | nkuttler | giupy: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 12:11.41 | cadu | giupy: cd / ; rm -rf * usually fixes it |
| 12:11.52 | nkuttler | cadu: that's not funny |
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| 12:12.07 | nkuttler | thanks |
| 12:12.09 | stew | don't listen to cadu |
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| 12:12.26 | stew | cadu: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. we don't find "jokes" like that funny. please don't do that again |
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| 12:12.48 | giupy | i can't do nothing so i can't remove thkdm i know this, i have tried to switch to tty1 but system is freezed |
| 12:12.59 | nkuttler | giupy: boot with init=/bin/sh |
| 12:13.13 | giupy | wow i try thanks |
| 12:13.37 | giupy | so at kernel boot LILO:bla-2.6.x init=/bin/sh ?? |
| 12:13.37 | telmich | hmm |
| 12:14.08 | telmich | nkuttler: thanks for the hint - i've to have a look, how I cleanly integrate that into fai |
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| 12:15.03 | nkuttler | giupy: no idea, haven't used lilo in years |
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| 12:15.27 | giupy | well, where i have to put that line ? |
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| 12:15.45 | nkuttler | !i forgot root's password |
| 12:15.45 | dpkg | 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 12:15.47 | nkuttler | like that |
| 12:16.04 | giupy | ok |
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| 12:16.09 | mull | hi folks, can someone help me: I'd like to run a rsynch that should fail or display an error when a file would be updatet |
| 12:16.17 | giupy | thanks very much |
| 12:16.22 | nkuttler | yw |
| 12:16.32 | giupy | lilo (pre-sarge) |
| 12:16.35 | giupy | :)))))) |
| 12:16.39 | giupy | i still using it |
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| 12:17.01 | giupy | bye and thanks |
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| 12:20.49 | jelly | mull: but not update anything? |
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| 12:21.09 | mull | jelly: yeah copy only the new files |
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| 12:21.38 | Lord | i've got a little problem with iptables, it's very very slow to display iptables -L ... it takes 3-5 secondes per line. |
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| 12:21.54 | jelly | mull: oh, so you want to get the new files (not existing on destination) but not update any existing ones and error out in that case |
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| 12:22.07 | mull | jelly: exatly |
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| 12:22.20 | mosno | Lord: try the -n switch |
| 12:22.42 | Lord | iptables -n ? or iptables -L -n ? |
| 12:22.58 | jelly | mull: man rsync, search for --existing; that seems to help with the update-new-only part |
| 12:23.00 | mosno | Lord: either. read the manpage. |
| 12:23.13 | jelly | mull: err, --ignore-existing |
| 12:24.59 | Lord | thanks mosno ... it's very fast with -n ^^ |
| 12:25.31 | mull | jelly: that solves the first part, the second part: would be -uv --existing won't it? |
| 12:25.58 | jelly | mull: no idea about that |
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| 12:27.08 | mosno | Lord: without -n it does DNS looksups |
| 12:27.19 | mull | jelly: ok i got it |
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| 12:27.58 | mull | .av -ignore-existing copies the new ones and -avn --existing shows the updates |
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| 12:28.46 | jelly | \o/ |
| 12:29.15 | mull | thx for your help |
| 12:29.18 | jelly | cheers |
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| 12:29.51 | caraconan | Hi, Can anyone tell me one lightweight bd for debian? Thanks |
| 12:30.18 | abrotman | bd? |
| 12:31.54 | caraconan | Database |
| 12:32.00 | caraconan | sorry :) |
| 12:32.38 | lng | my timezone is UTC now, how to set it to UTC+1? |
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| 12:33.08 | enouf | !set the time |
| 12:33.08 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS before. |
| 12:33.12 | mull | caraconan: mysql, sqllite, berkeley db ? |
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| 12:34.03 | caraconan | Well, at least in my opinion mysql and Berkeley db are not lightweight... Now I'm looking to sqllite |
| 12:34.08 | caraconan | Thanks mull |
| 12:34.12 | johndoe | sleepycat? |
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| 12:34.37 | johndoe | oh nvm, its the berkeley db |
| 12:34.45 | anoHito | stew, are you still there ? |
| 12:35.04 | enouf | do fish swim? |
| 12:35.15 | et | do fish moo? |
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| 12:35.34 | lng | enouf: thnx |
| 12:35.37 | ^cicciuzzo^ | Un Saluto a tutti « #debian » [Þrison-ßreak][§cript] |
| 12:35.49 | enouf | do bears shit on charlton heston's patio furniture? :-p |
| 12:35.51 | abrotman | ^cicciuzzo^: this is a channel for tech support |
| 12:35.56 | anoHito | stew, i am running mysqlcheck now, seeing the load is raising up to 5 ro so ,in the meantime, run vmstat 1 ,seeing the value from wa are raising up too, about 20 to 40 ,sometimes falls to 0. |
| 12:35.56 | abrotman | enouf: i bet not |
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| 12:36.13 | mosno | enouf: funnily enough, "heston" in greek means "shit on him" |
| 12:36.17 | et | and i thought i had seen the last of those italian stuff a few years ago |
| 12:36.19 | enouf | haha |
| 12:36.23 | et | "Ciao a tutti!" |
| 12:36.47 | enouf | et: aloha! from Naples ;-) |
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| 12:38.08 | flower | is it possible to use apt-cacher for ubuntu packages on Debian (I'm building an ubuntu live-cd on Debian, not installing the ubuntu packages on Debian of course) |
| 12:38.28 | caraconan | johndoe I will take a look. Thanks |
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| 12:39.00 | johndoe | caraconan: sleepycat is actually Berkeley DB so dont bother |
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| 12:39.53 | caraconan | OK, before I wanted to say that PostgreSQL are not lightweight. BDB is new for me. Thanks |
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| 12:40.36 | jelly | caraconan: BerkeleyDB isn't sql-ish though |
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| 12:41.03 | caraconan | jelly that's mean that BDB are not 'SQL compliant'? |
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| 12:41.22 | jelly | caraconan: definitely yes |
| 12:41.42 | caraconan | OK, then is not an option for me |
| 12:41.44 | caraconan | Thanks |
| 12:42.02 | funkyHat | I'm looking at installing libapache2-mod-security, looks like it didn't make it in to Lenny, will installing the package from squeeze work, or should I do something else? |
| 12:42.04 | jelly | caraconan: it has its own API, like many embedded databases |
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| 12:42.55 | jelly | caraconan: if you're asking if it has ACID properties, then the answer might be different. But it's not SQL. |
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| 12:43.41 | lng | why do i have: date: invalid date `042914382009' |
| 12:43.48 | lng | # date -s 042914382009 |
| 12:43.56 | caraconan | jelly I just want a database to store one table, that can be accessed by many hosts |
| 12:43.59 | caraconan | that's all |
| 12:44.17 | caraconan | Well, accessed abd updated, of course |
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| 12:45.43 | caraconan | I think I will test sqllite |
| 12:45.56 | ranix | OK |
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| 12:46.15 | enouf | lng: looks like you have the daytime sandwiched between the day of month and year? |
| 12:46.55 | enouf | lng: 04292009 seems ok - though here; |
| 12:46.57 | enouf | # date |
| 12:46.57 | enouf | Wed Apr 29 08:42:46 EDT 2009 |
| 12:47.09 | mull | other possibilities are (if you are using java/jdbc) Hsqldb or derby |
| 12:47.26 | enouf | lng: possibly your 'locale' settings |
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| 12:47.47 | caraconan | mull I have no idea about Java. I just need one table, and maybe sqllite is my best option |
| 12:47.49 | lng | enouf: en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 12:48.00 | enouf | use that command in the shell lng to see .. otherwise use env or printenv |
| 12:48.07 | lng | enouf: Wed Apr 29 12:47:58 UTC 2009 |
| 12:48.26 | lng | enouf: i use shell over ssh |
| 12:49.08 | mull | caraconan: if you need just one table, use a flat file .. |
| 12:49.49 | ranix | mull: lol wut |
| 12:50.02 | enouf | lng: well - then your -s STRING is invalid |
| 12:50.06 | mull | and an in memory dictionary like datastructure in the scripting or programming language of your choice |
| 12:50.30 | ranix | mull: there are many reasons to use a database |
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| 12:50.43 | ranix | mull: such as, multiple users editing at once, multiple interfaces all with the same backend |
| 12:50.53 | caraconan | ranix you're right |
| 12:50.58 | enouf | lng: note the FORMAT strings section in the manpage |
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| 12:51.28 | ranix | that's why people use mysql- quick and dirty solution to those problems |
| 12:51.39 | ranix | lets you get on with the rest of your day |
| 12:52.24 | jelly | caraconan: if you need multiple remote clients, you're above "lightweight" category I'd say. Use postgres (or mysql if you must). |
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| 12:52.53 | mull | jelly: then a transactional database is better |
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| 12:53.20 | mull | but just for storing stuff, many ppl tend to forget files and proper synchronisation |
| 12:53.51 | caraconan | one sec. Phone |
| 12:53.53 | jelly | mull: by all means yes, let's suggest user to reinvent the wheel and do own file format and locking solution! |
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| 12:54.15 | linduxed | ive got a drive with 500gb space that i imaged with a 250gb image. i want to resize one of the partitions generated by the image to fill up the rest of the space, how do i do this in a safe manner (the drive is mission critical so data corruption is not an option) |
| 12:54.21 | brif8 | How does one remove from the apt update tree all ( X11 , Gnome and OpenOffice , etc..) packages (I'm wanting to run a non-graphical server) and most times I update it updates X11 or openoffice, which is not needed or used ? |
| 12:54.31 | jelly | mull: [14:43] <caraconan> jelly I just want a database to store one table, that can be accessed by many hosts [14:44] <caraconan> Well, accessed abd updated, of course |
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| 12:55.12 | enouf | linduxed: the "image" doesn't generate any "partitions" |
| 12:55.13 | mull | jelly: didn't get that one |
| 12:55.24 | enouf | unless you used some "tool" |
| 12:55.25 | linduxed | enouf: this one did |
| 12:55.26 | enouf | perhaps |
| 12:55.32 | linduxed | enouf: clonezilla |
| 12:55.33 | mull | the many hosts -> mysql or postgres |
| 12:55.35 | abrotman | brif8: aptitude remove openoffice.org .. or remove base xlibs |
| 12:55.41 | enouf | then use that tool and image it correctly linduxed |
| 12:56.20 | enouf | linduxed: i would use 'parted' .. or perhaps sfdisk to setup the partition size, then dd over the image .. |
| 12:56.28 | linduxed | enouf: i did a clone of the previous drive, the "clonified" the new bigger 500Gb drive |
| 12:56.49 | mull | jelly: proper process or thread synchronisation and p.ex. parsing xml is not reinventing the wheel, at least in a somehow "lightweight" scenario |
| 12:56.57 | brif8 | abrotman: will this be permanent or will have have to do this on a regular basis ? |
| 12:57.20 | enouf | you'll likely need some tool that reclaims the rest of the space ; then resize2fs if ext2/3 .. but no quarantees fromme |
| 12:57.28 | enouf | er guarantees |
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| 12:58.08 | abrotman | brif8: unless you install it again, you shouldn't have to do it again |
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| 12:58.18 | brif8 | abrotman: thanks |
| 12:58.18 | linduxed | enouf: yeah ive heard resize2fs is the way to go |
| 12:58.24 | enouf | then it's just a matter of perhaps reinstalling grub - maybe tweaking /etc/fstab, and lastly, sorting chipset modules |
| 12:58.27 | sepult | sorting the database too |
| 12:58.30 | sepult | ups |
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| 12:59.21 | enouf | linduxed: i suggest you know which versions of e2fsprogs you're using fore/aft - read the changelogs as well |
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| 12:59.54 | linduxed | enouf: will check that out |
| 12:59.57 | enouf | (just to avoid any possible conflicts with inode sizes and ext4 stuffs) |
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| 13:07.27 | enouf | linduxed: fwiw, i had a disk with this format (hda1 primary ; hda2 Ext'd ; hda3 primary ; hda4 primary ; hda5 logical) - using parted, i wiped hda5, then hda2, then hda1, and was left with hda3 and hda4 as primary (in the middle of disk) - i recreated hda1 (primary) to encompass all space that hda{1,2,5} took up, using parted; setting START and END to exact Byte sizes |
| 13:07.37 | enouf | linduxed: (note; hda1, and 2,5 were generated prior to 3 and 4, so the start/end of hda3 and hda4 were never moved) |
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| 13:10.34 | wsxws | when i do a netstat -l i get : tcp 0 0 *:8167 *:* LISTEN : how to find outm which porcess is listening to that port ? |
| 13:10.44 | enouf | try -tunap |
| 13:11.00 | enouf | try netstat -tunap | grep LISTEN even |
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| 13:11.52 | techouse | quick question: when i compile a custom kernel for vmware (debian being the guest system) how much timer frequency should i set? i read somewhere that it should be as low as possible |
| 13:11.54 | enouf | then lsof for further probing ;-) |
| 13:12.07 | techouse | so should i leave it at 250Hz or go down to 100Hz? |
| 13:12.10 | enouf | techouse: which timer? |
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| 13:12.19 | enouf | ok, the Interrupt one - HZ |
| 13:12.24 | wsxws | lsof -i :8167 did it |
| 13:12.36 | wsxws | hehe, sometimei wandert that i dont forget to breath in between also |
| 13:12.39 | enouf | no idea - ask #vmware - the default is/was 250 |
| 13:12.41 | wsxws | thanks guys |
| 13:12.53 | techouse | enouf: also, what preemption module to chose? server or desktop? |
| 13:13.00 | techouse | ok, i'll ask |
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| 13:13.22 | enouf | well .. i never used vmware, so, no idea techouse - maybe people in ###linux also will have opinions |
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| 13:13.45 | stew | i thought tickless was the default now |
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| 13:14.06 | techouse | enouf: tnx :) |
| 13:14.10 | enouf | stew: tickless / dynamic tick has nothing to do with HZ timer frequency |
| 13:14.21 | enouf | stew: that's CONFIG_NO_HZ= |
| 13:14.55 | stew | enouf: oh, i thought that CONFIG_NO_HZ=y made the other CONFIG_HZ settings meaningless |
| 13:14.57 | enouf | stew: the tickless-ness makes the CPU sleep when it's not needed |
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| 13:15.58 | MrWax | Anyone in here ever used truecrypt on a disk with dual boot (2 partitions) ? |
| 13:16.06 | enouf | stew: no worries - http://lwn.net/Articles/223185/ (old .. hold on) |
| 13:17.20 | stEVIL | after upgrading from etch to lenny, i got a strange error, i wanted to install "openssh-server" because it needs lsb-base >= 3.2 however lsb-base 3.1 was installed, but when i do a apt-cache show lsb-base, i see that indeed in the repository it shows that 3.1 is in the repository, however if i look at a other installed lenny machine i see that 3.2 is in the repository, some how my apt is confused, anyone have a clue what todo ? |
| 13:17.41 | abrotman | judd: versions lsb-base |
| 13:17.42 | judd | abrotman: lsb-base -- etch: 3.1-23.2etch1 lenny: 3.2-20 sid: 3.2-20 sid: 3.2-22 squeeze: 3.2-22 |
| 13:17.56 | abrotman | stEVIL: seems like one of your systems isn't all the way on lenny |
| 13:18.29 | stEVIL | abrotman: correct :-) |
| 13:18.34 | abrotman | so finish it |
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| 13:18.53 | stEVIL | abrotman: how? i mean, apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't do anything, neither does apt-get -f install |
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| 13:19.14 | abrotman | stEVIL: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 13:19.18 | abrotman | and you souhld be using aptitude |
| 13:19.55 | Sebboh | should? |
| 13:20.08 | enouf | stew: oh .. that one isn't so old - thought i saw 2003 mentioned (written 2007) |
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| 13:21.49 | Sebboh | why should people use aptitude? |
| 13:22.07 | linduxed | enouf: well, ill have to experiment with the case then (carefully but still) |
| 13:22.23 | enouf | stew: dammit - can't find what i thought i had in my bookmarks atm - i gotta run now too ... |
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| 13:22.56 | salvin | dpkg return an error removing libltdl3 |
| 13:22.56 | dpkg | salvin: are you using Windows? |
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| 13:23.48 | salvin | and apt is broken |
| 13:24.06 | salvin | how can i fix it? |
| 13:24.14 | gynterk | broken? |
| 13:24.22 | ranix | !doesn't work |
| 13:24.22 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 13:24.30 | abrotman | salvin: put the full error in a pastebin |
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| 13:25.36 | salvin | abrotman, enough this line: dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-removal script: Exec format error |
| 13:25.48 | abrotman | okay .. don't paste the full error in a pastebin .. |
| 13:25.54 | salvin | :) |
| 13:26.59 | salvin | i'm using sid |
| 13:28.01 | abrotman | did you check the BTS for that package? |
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| 13:28.31 | salvin | abrotman, nothing: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=libltdl3;dist=unstable |
| 13:28.35 | techouse | enouf: i got an answer: server@100hz |
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| 13:29.34 | salvin | abrotman, maybe a filesystem error? |
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| 13:32.18 | abrotman | salvin: since you haven't pasted the *full* output .. i can't really tell you |
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| 13:33.20 | techouse | enouf: now how good of an idea is it to compile a 2.6.29 (sid) kernel on a lenny system (prior to this getting all the build-deps from the sid repo)= |
| 13:33.25 | salvin | abrotman, OK |
| 13:34.56 | salvin | abrotman, rafb is down... |
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| 13:35.02 | salvin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:36.06 | salvin | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/34745/ |
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| 13:37.53 | themill | salvin: what's the output of "file /var/lib/dpkg/info/libltdl3.postrm" |
| 13:38.03 | abrotman | salvin: put a `set -x` after the shebang in the postrm file |
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| 13:38.31 | themill | abrotman: with that error, I'm guessing there isn't a shebang |
| 13:38.42 | abrotman | themill: i'm guessing he shouldn't be running sid :) |
| 13:38.48 | themill | snap |
| 13:38.58 | salvin | themill, empty |
| 13:39.12 | wide | why isn't helix or realplayer in debian lenny/testing/sid, what are alternatives to playing .ram without installing helix/realplayer from real's site? What are you using for .ram playback? |
| 13:39.28 | wide | and isn't in debian-multimedia... |
| 13:39.30 | abrotman | salvin: the file is empty? or the results of running the file command are empty? |
| 13:39.47 | abrotman | wide: i've been told mplayer will do it |
| 13:39.53 | themill | salvin: please try to be even less descriptive and more obtuse for us. |
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| 13:40.14 | salvin | abrotman, both |
| 13:40.23 | abrotman | cute |
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| 13:40.43 | salvin | # file /var/lib/dpkg/info/libltdl3.postrm |
| 13:40.43 | salvin | /var/lib/dpkg/info/libltdl3.postrm: empty |
| 13:40.46 | wide | abrotman, mine's not working, do I need ffmpeg newer than lenny, or some codec package not showing up in a "codec" search in the packages list, or something else? |
| 13:40.57 | themill | wide: mplayer with the w32codecs package from dmm works fine here. |
| 13:41.23 | et | for most stuff you don't even need w32codecs anymore |
| 13:41.34 | wide | themill, ok, i'll try again, i tried reinstalling, i'll try reinstalling w32codecs again, thanks |
| 13:41.41 | themill | et: probably... habit |
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| 13:41.55 | themill | judd versions realplayer |
| 13:41.56 | abrotman | with w32codecs most players shuld work |
| 13:41.57 | judd | themill: realplayer -- etch-multimedia: 1:10.0.9-0.2 lenny-multimedia: 1:10.0.9-0.2 sid-multimedia: 1:11.0.0-0.2 |
| 13:42.01 | salvin | abrotman, themill, then? |
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| 13:42.17 | abrotman | salvin: did you remove the contents of that file? |
| 13:42.23 | themill | wide: ^^ also, you fail at searching for realplayer... it is in debian-multimedia. |
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| 13:42.33 | abrotman | salvin: which version of libltdl3 do you avhe installed ? |
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| 13:42.52 | abrotman | and which architecture ? |
| 13:43.29 | abrotman | libltdl3 isn't even in sid currently |
| 13:43.50 | abrotman | not like the squeeze postrm has much in it |
| 13:43.51 | salvin | abrotman, no, maybe a filesystem inconsistency |
| 13:43.59 | MrWax | Anyone ever succeeeded running truecrypt and encrypting dual boot hdd ? |
| 13:44.03 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 13:44.08 | MrWax | if so please let me know, am willing to even pay for some consult |
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| 13:44.15 | abrotman | salvin: just put a shebang at the top of the file |
| 13:44.23 | wide | themill, i searched the debian-multimedia site's google search, but didn't come up with the package. Maybe my problem is I have the AMD64 version of Lenny? |
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| 13:45.13 | wide | i have main contrib and non-free sections of debian-multimedia, i think contrib throws an error for the amd64 packages |
| 13:45.22 | salvin | abrotman, infact dist-upgrade wanna remove it |
| 13:45.46 | abrotman | good |
| 13:45.47 | jogla | Can someone point me to some documentation that describes the patching of debian packages? |
| 13:46.06 | wide | where should i find the latest w32codecs for amd64/lenny? |
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| 13:46.11 | lillis | http://www.debian-administration.org/article/How_do_I_patch_a_Debian_package |
| 13:46.12 | themill | wide: that would probably do it for you.... non-free crap often isn't available for non-i386. BTW everything on debian-multimedia is in "main", no need for contrib and non-free these days |
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| 13:46.32 | wide | themill, ok, good to know, thanks |
| 13:46.37 | abrotman | lillis: and what? |
| 13:46.45 | lillis | wow, that link was completely wrong |
| 13:47.09 | wide | themill, thought I saw something downloading from non-free earlier when reinstalling xine or other multimedia packages |
| 13:47.20 | wide | deb-multimedia/non-free |
| 13:48.07 | themill | wide: shouldn't do... there's no directory for it on the server. |
| 13:48.13 | salvin | abrotman, themill, solved with a shebang |
| 13:48.47 | wide | themill, ok, thanks, the w32codecs, location? |
| 13:49.28 | themill | wide: perhaps w64codecs if you're using amd64... |
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| 13:49.34 | abrotman | salvin: you probably want to run 'ldconfig' |
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| 13:49.55 | salvin | maybe i lost the content of that file after a system crash |
| 13:50.00 | wide | themill, ok, got the w64codecs, reinstalled i'll try again |
| 13:50.00 | sylarr | stew, how did you find the drbd8-source pakcage yesterday? |
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| 13:50.18 | stew | sylarr: apt-cache search -n drbd |
| 13:50.28 | sylarr | k |
| 13:50.30 | sylarr | thanks |
| 13:50.52 | stew | (in this case the -n doesn't affect the results) |
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| 13:51.26 | wide | themill, themill for realplayer, all i'm coming up with in a apt-cache search for realplayer is the following: # apt-cache search realplayer |
| 13:51.26 | wide | kmplayer-plugin - kmplayer plugin for khtml/konqueror |
| 13:51.26 | wide | bleachbit - delete unnecessary files from the system |
| 13:51.52 | themill | wide: seems not to be available for amd64. Not surprising. |
| 13:52.02 | wide | themill, ok, thanks again |
| 13:52.07 | themill | judd: versions libc6 |
| 13:52.07 | judd | themill: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 13:52.13 | themill | stew: ^^ I broke judd? |
| 13:52.15 | sylarr | stew, for me that doesn't find, I guess myy source.list is smaller |
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| 13:52.39 | sylarr | stew, any other search option? |
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| 13:56.38 | binseer | hi friends .. does debian supports Nvidia MCP68 chipset? |
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| 13:58.33 | binseer | i got a new system having specified chipset... |
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| 14:00.54 | abrotman | does debian not install? |
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| 14:06.00 | liable | no, it wants to make my butter too salty |
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| 14:19.28 | pep` | Hi.. I have a question... a friend of mine has an issue with his installation and I would like to know if screen is installed by default? |
| 14:19.44 | pep` | I don't use debian myself |
| 14:20.01 | stew | pep`: debian does not install screen by default |
| 14:20.09 | pep` | ok, thank you :) |
| 14:20.17 | pep` | was just htinking about this.. |
| 14:20.20 | pep` | have a nice day |
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| 14:21.54 | Misterjos | hey guys, i tried to install UT2004 from an ISO DVD, but the installer asks me to insert cd2. Is there maybe a specific place i need to mount the ISO file? |
| 14:22.39 | Misterjos | the linux installer is available on the DVD ISO-image |
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| 14:26.38 | bolt | Misterjos: might be looking for whatever's at /dev/cdrom, i guess |
| 14:27.03 | bolt | if the installer is simply a shell script, take a look at it |
| 14:27.13 | bolt | also, giyf |
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| 14:27.57 | keith4 | is this normal? while installing iceweasel, i get prompted by dpkg to overwrite-or-not /etc/iceweasel/profile/bookmarks.html and /etc/iceweasel/pref/iceweasel.js |
| 14:27.59 | valdyn | Misterjos: copy protected games often dont work |
| 14:28.02 | valdyn | Misterjos: not if you mount |
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| 14:28.13 | valdyn | Misterjos: not if you mount from file image |
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| 14:28.43 | bolt | valdyn: sure that has copy protection, though? the original UT didn't |
| 14:28.45 | valdyn | Misterjos: the place where wine finds cdrom is configured at winecfg |
| 14:28.55 | valdyn | bolt: nfc |
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| 14:29.40 | bolt | valdyn: i think this is thing runs without wine. again, the original UT did. with their own installer |
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| 14:30.09 | valdyn | bolt: the installer too? |
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| 14:30.18 | bolt | yep. huge shell script |
| 14:30.36 | Misterjos | i dont use wine valdyn, ut2004 should work on linux, good idea to look at the script |
| 14:30.59 | valdyn | maybe you dont really need the installer |
| 14:31.13 | valdyn | cp stuff /to/some/dir, runit |
| 14:31.27 | Theoden | Linux Curmudgeon 2.6.29.2-theo.3 #1 SMP Tue Apr 28 19:35:01 PDT 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:31.27 | bolt | or just burn the darn dvd :) |
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| 14:31.36 | Misterjos | it starts installing but then asks to insert cd2, thing is the DVD ISO image is on my harddisk |
| 14:31.44 | bolt | what's a dvd these days? .25? |
| 14:32.03 | bolt | Misterjos: you told us :) |
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| 14:34.05 | Unode-[work] | Without having root access in a machine I have ssh access to, is it possible to disable password authentication on my user and only allow private/public key authentication? |
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| 14:36.31 | bolt | afaik, no |
| 14:36.44 | Unode-[work] | ok thanks |
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| 14:43.36 | Misterjos | oh well, will try the cd's then |
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| 14:53.52 | SQlvpapir | ping |
| 14:53.56 | lillis | pong |
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| 14:54.25 | peterrooney | pung |
| 14:54.52 | SQlvpapir | thanks |
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| 14:55.06 | MrWax | Does anyone know if it's technically good possible to have a hdd with 2 partitions (windows vista and debian) and both encrypted with truecrypt? |
| 14:55.09 | MrWax | or anyone experienced with? |
| 14:55.27 | SQlvpapir | very possible indeed afaik |
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| 14:55.49 | MrWax | dual boot i mean |
| 14:55.53 | MrWax | SQlvpapir: u sure? |
| 14:55.55 | MrWax | any idea how? |
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| 14:57.48 | SQlvpapir | wow +200 open dns connections :O |
| 14:58.12 | greycat | you do DNS over TCP? |
| 14:58.22 | SQlvpapir | greycat: whatever is default |
| 14:58.30 | greycat | default is UDP |
| 14:58.34 | SQlvpapir | router says udp too |
| 14:58.37 | greycat | UDP doesn't have connections |
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| 14:59.29 | SQlvpapir | greycat: then why would my router keep them under "active sessions" with a timeout? |
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| 14:59.44 | freaky_t | hey all. i got a problem. i changed /etc/motd - now everytime i reboot it's changed back to the default motd - what can I do? |
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| 14:59.56 | greycat | if you're doing NAT, it will keep track of them in order to make response packets go appropriately |
| 15:00.13 | abrotman | freaky_t: man motd ? |
| 15:00.14 | greycat | what you're seeing aren't "connections", but rather "packets that went through in the last 10 minutes" or whatever |
| 15:00.32 | SQlvpapir | oh that explains a bit |
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| 15:01.01 | bernaz | hi all. i'm trying to install a virtual machine (kvm and virt-install). i don't how create a bridged network (vnet) |
| 15:01.10 | freaky_t | abrotman thanks :D |
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| 15:01.40 | SQlvpapir | I just cant imagine what would make 4000 dns queries |
| 15:01.51 | greycat | A windows box with spyware installed. |
| 15:02.20 | abrotman | a torrent client |
| 15:02.30 | abrotman | maybe? |
| 15:03.40 | mmind | bernaz, try #kvm next time, but here: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Networking |
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| 15:06.10 | bernaz | thanks |
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| 15:07.37 | dusted | Hmm, the reason that the gnome system monitor can't show the actual amount of data transferred over the network is because the network driver counts transmitted and recieved data in bytes, which overflow after just a few gb.. Wouldn't it be possible for the gnome system monitor to simply catch the overflow, and have two more int's, one with precition down to nearest mb, and one down to nearest gb, then it wouldn't overflow |
| 15:08.20 | dusted | or, atleast it would show the correct amount, despite the network driver going to 0 because of the overflow |
| 15:08.25 | greycat | any finite counter will eventually overflow, so yes, the thing reading the counter should understand that and take it into account |
| 15:09.50 | jelly | dusted: what do you mean, network driver overflows? |
| 15:10.12 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.12 | dusted | jelly, the int's that stores transmitted and recieved bytes |
| 15:10.20 | Trewas | dusted: it would have to watch the counter all the time to catch the overflows |
| 15:10.21 | dusted | jelly, 64 bit system? |
| 15:10.29 | greycat | jelly: yours just takes longer. |
| 15:10.30 | jelly | um, yes |
| 15:10.40 | dusted | jelly, it overflows earlier on 32 bit systems |
| 15:10.41 | greycat | on traditional Unix systems, and many linux systems, it's 32 bits. |
| 15:11.22 | dusted | Trewas, yes, but if you're running the applet it does that anyway |
| 15:11.23 | abrotman | you mean 32bits is less than 64bits? |
| 15:11.29 | dusted | :D |
| 15:11.30 | jelly | dunno, cricket detects and deals with overflows nicely |
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| 15:11.47 | Rayne | does debian ship an video editor with gui? |
| 15:11.54 | Rayne | avidemux is non-debian as it seem |
| 15:11.55 | Rayne | +s |
| 15:12.50 | dusted | Rayne, kino? |
| 15:12.57 | d-b | Rayne: ? there are a number. |
| 15:12.58 | Rayne | kde app? |
| 15:13.05 | d-b | Rayne: yeah so install it. |
| 15:13.07 | dusted | dunno, it's in the repo |
| 15:13.20 | Rayne | i would prefer an gtk app |
| 15:13.31 | dusted | there's nothing wrong with running kde apps on other DE's than kde |
| 15:13.32 | stew | judd: versions avidemux |
| 15:13.33 | judd | stew: avidemux -- etch-multimedia: 1:2.3.0-0.0 lenny-multimedia: 1:2.4.3-0.1 sid-multimedia: 1:2.4.4-0.2 |
| 15:13.43 | Rayne | multimedia!? |
| 15:13.49 | stew | Rayne: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 15:13.52 | dusted | qt is love anyway :) |
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| 15:14.10 | d-b | dusted: qt4 is even more... if only i got kate4 in debian lenny :( |
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| 15:14.53 | Rayne | steve, you mean the debian-multimedia.org project? |
| 15:15.00 | stew | Rayne: yes |
| 15:15.10 | dusted | d-b, Kate <3 |
| 15:15.20 | d-b | dusted: i <3 kate4 |
| 15:15.24 | Rayne | heh guys *g |
| 15:15.40 | dusted | shifted to codeblocks for C but still using kate for everything else.. it's an awesome editor |
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| 15:16.06 | d-b | dusted: nar kate4 > codeblocks for c++ |
| 15:16.17 | greycat | !start an editor war |
| 15:16.18 | dpkg | joe is known to cause ulcers |
| 15:16.42 | anoHito | can anyone tell me,how do i confirm that whether my etch is 32bit or what ? |
| 15:16.51 | greycat | anoHito: "uname -a" will tell you the arch |
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| 15:16.55 | ringo999 | hi, i build and installed my own kernel. But how can i go back to the old one? I tried to purge (dpkg -P) but after reboot it's still on the self build kernel... |
| 15:17.04 | dusted | d-b, I got used to better code completion than the kate autocomplete plugin offers.. it's nice when the editor actually understands enough code to read prototypes, classes and headers and suggest something relevant |
| 15:17.27 | dusted | ringo999, your old kernel should still be in the grub menu ? |
| 15:17.32 | d-b | dusted: nar. kate pwns ^^ |
| 15:17.33 | dusted | can't you just select it? |
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| 15:17.42 | anoHito | greycat, i do not found it by run uname -a ? |
| 15:17.51 | greycat | Linux img2 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:17.54 | greycat | In that, "i686" is the arch. |
| 15:17.56 | jelly | dusted: hah, /sys/class/net/*/statistics/* really wrap on 2**32 |
| 15:18.08 | anoHito | greycat, linux 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem #1 SMP Fri Dec 26 04:53:15 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:18.13 | abrotman | that's 23 |
| 15:18.14 | abrotman | 32 |
| 15:18.45 | anoHito | is there a 64bit debian anyways |
| 15:18.46 | dusted | jelly, that's related to the gnome system monitor going to 0 after a few gb on 32 bit systems in what way? |
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| 15:18.57 | jelly | dusted: I've no idea about gnome. |
| 15:19.02 | abrotman | anoHito: if your CPU supports it |
| 15:19.16 | dusted | jelly, I mentioned how the sytem monitor behaved that's all :) |
| 15:19.17 | abrotman | anoHito: how much RAM do you have? |
| 15:19.23 | Rayne | can i enable the debian branches and the multimedia mirrors both or does this corrupt the system? |
| 15:19.28 | dusted | and that I find it stupid |
| 15:19.34 | abrotman | Rayne: you should be able to have them both |
| 15:19.34 | jelly | dusted: but that's the place userspace (should) look for a network interface statistics |
| 15:19.40 | anoHito | abrotman, Xeon 4 cores, 4GB RAM. |
| 15:19.50 | abrotman | anoHito: you don't need the -bigmem |
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| 15:20.02 | anoHito | abrotman, i do. |
| 15:20.07 | abrotman | why? |
| 15:20.10 | jelly | abrotman: to see full 4GiB instead of 3.4? |
| 15:20.27 | anoHito | abrotman, i was using the normal kernel. in 'top' there were some RAM missing. |
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| 15:20.47 | anoHito | They came back after i upgraded kernel to bigram arch. |
| 15:20.59 | Polarina | Just install a 64-bit OS. Xeon CPUs support it. |
| 15:21.00 | anoHito | bigmem |
| 15:21.03 | abrotman | eh .. i thought they both used the same tricks .. but whatever |
| 15:21.06 | Rayne | there is a bigmem kernel |
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| 15:21.22 | ringo999 | dusted: im using lilo and that uses symbolic links which link to the correct images in boot |
| 15:21.33 | jelly | abrotman: there would be no need for a plain -686 build then |
| 15:21.38 | dusted | oh, don't know lilo |
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| 15:22.05 | abrotman | jelly: i thought they used a different sized table .. but okay |
| 15:22.18 | d-b | abrotman: big mem allows for nx bit too |
| 15:22.19 | d-b | etc. |
| 15:22.22 | telmich | I'm wondering how I can tell update-initramfs to include a specific firmware |
| 15:22.35 | anoHito | jelly, hi . |
| 15:22.43 | abrotman | that makes no sense .. but yay! |
| 15:22.47 | abrotman | or something |
| 15:23.00 | corran | Was there a recent update to the X11 keyboard layout? |
| 15:23.08 | abrotman | in sid? |
| 15:23.11 | d-b | packages.debian.org |
| 15:23.13 | corran | yeas |
| 15:23.16 | corran | *yes |
| 15:23.18 | anoHito | jelly, would you tell me ,with 'vmstat 1' ,the lower value from 'wa' the better for having a good I/O on disks ? |
| 15:24.27 | sylarr | say , for a source package in backport, do I do install, or just apt-get source? |
| 15:24.32 | corran | d-b: yes, I looked at that, but I didn't see anything obvious in the changelog |
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| 15:24.43 | abrotman | not even a date? |
| 15:24.46 | ringo999 | dusted: well i don't think it's a lilo problem. still wondering though, after purging the kernel, how can it still run on it when rebooting? |
| 15:25.31 | greycat | anoHito: vmstat doesn't give you useful data on disk I/O |
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| 15:25.40 | greycat | "wa" is just "number of processes in the wait state" |
| 15:25.52 | CoolCold | number? |
| 15:25.57 | jelly | greycat: it's a % |
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| 15:26.10 | greycat | oh, right, I'm thinking of "w" |
| 15:26.17 | CoolCold | ya ya, it's % of cpu time spent in waiting for io to complete |
| 15:26.22 | anoHito | greycat, oh, would you recommend me a simple methon to dig it out ,please ? i am suspecting if the disk is a bottleneck. |
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| 15:26.31 | jelly | anoHito: what CoolCold said |
| 15:26.33 | CoolCold | b - processes blocked on io |
| 15:26.37 | greycat | HP-UX vmstat has "r" "b" "w" as its first three columns |
| 15:26.47 | jelly | linux has no "w" |
| 15:26.52 | greycat | anoHito: iostat |
| 15:26.54 | jelly | iostat help some |
| 15:26.54 | CoolCold | anoHito: iostat ? |
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| 15:27.26 | anoHito | avg-cpu: %user %nice %system %iowait %steal %idle |
| 15:27.26 | anoHito | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.57 | anoHito | any clue ? |
| 15:28.02 | CoolCold | no |
| 15:28.03 | greycat | try iostat or sar |
| 15:28.07 | jelly | anoHito: pastebin a good number of lines of, say, "iostat -mx 1" |
| 15:28.14 | CoolCold | iostat -xk 1 10 may have a clue |
| 15:28.17 | anoHito | that was from iostat |
| 15:28.28 | greycat | ignore the CPU bits |
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| 15:30.36 | anoHito | Here is the result, at that time the system load is 30 . http://pastebin.ca/1407425 |
| 15:30.39 | ajavid | good morning fellers |
| 15:30.44 | jelly | anoHito: also, what's the output of awk '/^processor/{n=$3}END{print n+1}' /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 15:30.46 | CoolCold | anoHito: io bottleneck is large topic, you can try to begin with http://dammit.lt/2009/03/11/iostat/ |
| 15:31.20 | anoHito | jelly, says 4 |
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| 15:31.41 | RedMushroom | when uninstalling a program i type "apt-get remove <program>" and then "apt-get autoremove". the system tells me it's uninstalled the program, and has freed up some disk space. however, when i type "locate <program>" i still get a long list of things associated with the program i've just uninstalled. is this normal? is there a way i can tell the system to clean up all of these unnessarry files? |
| 15:31.49 | Rayne | is avidemux/debian-multimedia not able to open ogv files? |
| 15:31.57 | anoHito | CoolCold, thanks,i have bookmarked it. |
| 15:31.58 | greycat | RedMushroom: the locate database is updated nightly by updatedb |
| 15:32.32 | anoHito | so please help me with my current iostat http://pastebin.ca/1407425 |
| 15:32.43 | RedMushroom | greycat: ah. that explains a lot. is there a command i can use to force it to update on the fly so i can get accurate results? |
| 15:32.50 | greycat | RedMushroom: man updatedb |
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| 15:32.52 | CoolCold | anoHito: really strange |
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| 15:33.00 | u2pian | ipgk installation docs i read assume your ipaq is internet connected.. |
| 15:33.02 | CoolCold | you disk system is totally overloaded |
| 15:33.09 | u2pian | how can i install applications in ipkg locally without internet connection. I want to install ipkg in my ipaq... |
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| 15:33.29 | anoHito | CoolCold, from which i check that ? |
| 15:33.47 | CoolCold | see 'util' ? |
| 15:34.08 | CoolCold | see svc time, await.. |
| 15:34.15 | jpinx-eeepc | rdesktop sucks because it locks out the existing local session. Is there another way to do the same without that disadvantage? |
| 15:34.27 | JyZyXEL | how do you enable NTFS support in gparted? |
| 15:34.41 | anoHito | CoolCold, CPU and RAM has no problem ? |
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| 15:34.58 | CoolCold | jpinx-eeepc: remote assistant/win2k3/win2k8 |
| 15:35.19 | greycat | anoHito: you haven't shown us any memory issues at all |
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| 15:35.25 | greycat | anoHito: your initial CPU-stuff looked fine. |
| 15:35.26 | RedMushroom | about how long does it take to run updatedb? |
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| 15:35.35 | jpinx-eeepc | JyZyXEL: what are you trying to do with the ntfs partition? |
| 15:35.38 | greycat | RedMushroom: depends on how many files you have. |
| 15:35.42 | RedMushroom | typed "updatedb" into his terminal |
| 15:35.45 | RedMushroom | ah |
| 15:35.52 | ajavid | !uvesafb |
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| 15:35.58 | greycat | most likely less than 5 minutes |
| 15:36.01 | JyZyXEL | jpinx-eeepc trying to grow one NTFS partition and create one new NTFS partition |
| 15:36.11 | jpinx-eeepc | CoolCold: that exists on XP? what to I run it with on the debian box? |
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| 15:36.32 | ajavid | enouf, you also, I was actually looking for uvesafb, not ufbdev, I had the wrong name |
| 15:36.33 | RedMushroom | now, i just uninstalled a program, typed "updatedb" and then "locate program" again, and these files are still coming up |
| 15:36.38 | anoHito | hmm |
| 15:36.46 | greycat | what file? is it a configuration file (in /etc)? |
| 15:36.54 | jpinx-eeepc | JyZyXEL: is the partition mounted atm? |
| 15:36.55 | CoolCold | jpinx-eeepc: remote assistant exists. there are patches to xp to make it be like 2k3 (allow multiple rdesktop sessions) |
| 15:37.00 | JyZyXEL | jpinx-eeepc no its not |
| 15:37.27 | jpinx-eeepc | JyZyXEL: what is the specifi problem then? |
| 15:37.44 | JyZyXEL | jpinx-eeepc like i said how do i enable support for NTFS in gparted |
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| 15:37.45 | anoHito | greycat, my system sometimes has a high load boomping up especially when there are database operatings. i wanna find out if it is disk bottleneck so that i am now doing mysqlcheck. |
| 15:37.54 | RedMushroom | tons of files. some of them look like directories, others are language support, some .deb files, doc files, basically just a lot of garbage imo |
| 15:37.59 | greycat | anoHito: you are defintely looking at disk saturation. |
| 15:38.09 | jpinx-eeepc | CoolCold: ok - patches to the XP system / or to rdesktop? |
| 15:38.15 | greycat | anoHito: solution: buy another disk and move the DB (or one of the DBs, or the DB logs, or whatever) to it. |
| 15:38.26 | corran | Any thoughts as to why X is misreading a number of keys after a recent update (in sid) |
| 15:38.31 | CoolCold | anoHito: very very strange..there are no operations on disk to make such large queues.. |
| 15:38.53 | greycat | anoHito: is "sda" a SCSI disk, or an SATA disk, or software RAID, or what? |
| 15:38.54 | CoolCold | jpinx-eeepc: to XP |
| 15:38.58 | RedMushroom | and .conf files too |
| 15:38.59 | jpinx-eeepc | JyZyXEL: I don't use gparted but does it show you all the partitions on the device? |
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| 15:39.11 | jpinx-eeepc | CoolCold: - thanks:) |
| 15:39.19 | xxtjaxx_ | hey guys i have a strange error here |
| 15:39.26 | JyZyXEL | ... |
| 15:39.29 | CoolCold | may be it somehow works in PIO.. |
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| 15:39.32 | anoHito | CoolCold, i have been doing mysqlcheck ,it is not finished yet. and yes,as i have noticed,any mysql operatings can boom up the system load easily. |
| 15:39.32 | greycat | RedMushroom: then you probably didn't remove the package you thought you removed. |
| 15:39.44 | RedMushroom | ok |
| 15:39.48 | xxtjaxx_ | E: cant Lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
| 15:39.52 | anoHito | CoolCold, so while having that high load problem,in the meantime, ftp access is very okay,weird. |
| 15:39.53 | greycat | RedMushroom: Very common scenario: "apt-get install a" brings in packages a1, a2, a3 a4. "apt-get remove a" doesn't remove a1, a2, a3, a4. |
| 15:39.54 | RedMushroom | so you think i removed the wrong program then? |
| 15:40.03 | xxtjaxx_ | whats wong there? |
| 15:40.06 | greycat | RedMushroom: it would help if you gave names. |
| 15:40.13 | RedMushroom | pure-ftpd and proftpd |
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| 15:40.16 | anoHito | greycat, a SATA Harddrive. no RAID. |
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| 15:40.25 | ootput | xxtjaxx_: is there another apt- process running? |
| 15:40.26 | RedMushroom | i ran apt-get remove on both of them |
| 15:40.35 | RedMushroom | and then apt-get autoremove after each one |
| 15:40.37 | greycat | anoHito: ok, buying a second disk is probably the best move here. make sure it's a fast one. |
| 15:40.48 | ootput | xxtjaxx_: or you lack the privileges |
| 15:40.52 | CoolCold | anoHito: can you show hdparm -tT /dev/sda when mysql will over it's check? |
| 15:40.58 | xxtjaxx_ | ootput, not that i noticed it |
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| 15:41.10 | RedMushroom | is wanting to remove these programs, and try setting them up again guided by a tutorial |
| 15:41.23 | greycat | RedMushroom: are the files that "locate" is showing you actually present on the disk? |
| 15:41.25 | CoolCold | afk, highlight me if you wanna make me read smth :) |
| 15:41.37 | anoHito | greycat, saturation ? you mean the HDD cannot hold to many I/O requestings or you mean the size of the disk itself that is saturation ? |
| 15:41.46 | RedMushroom | yup. |
| 15:41.51 | greycat | anoHito: the number of requests per unit time, not the storage capacity |
| 15:41.52 | RedMushroom | i can cd to them, and open them |
| 15:42.03 | anoHito | greycat, I see. |
| 15:42.28 | anoHito | CoolCold, okay,it will be done shortly,by then i will show you . |
| 15:43.01 | greycat | RedMushroom: well, just for example, "proftpd" depends on proftpd-basic, proftpd-mod-mysql, proftpd-mod-pgsql, proftpd-mod-ldap |
| 15:43.12 | greycat | RedMushroom: make sure you removed all of those. |
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| 15:44.09 | stew | anoHito: pastebin the output of running a "show status;" query in mysql as the mysql root user |
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| 15:44.33 | anoHito | stew, right now ? |
| 15:44.47 | anoHito | the mysqlcheck has not been finished yet,will be done soon. |
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| 15:45.07 | anoHito | it starts to the letter z database,shorty it will be going to an end. |
| 15:45.09 | RedMushroom | greycat: ok, so i have to run "apt-get remove" on any of the modules that apt-get install proftpd might have brought in with it. is there a way to get a list of the packages that apt-get install automatically grabs? like, i know now that "apt-get install a" installed a, b, and c. now, is there a command that will tell me that installing a also installed b and c? this way i know which things to apt-get remove on |
| 15:45.42 | greycat | RedMushroom: I used "apt-cache show proftpd" and looked for the Depends line. |
| 15:45.46 | greycat | RedMushroom: there may be other ways. |
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| 15:46.32 | RedMushroom | ah, i see that line in there. that looks very handy. i think you've answered all of my questions regarding this matter. thank you very much for your time. |
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| 15:47.44 | RedMushroom | greycat: P.S. does it matter if apt-cache show <program> is run as su or can i get accurate results as a regular user? |
| 15:47.51 | anoHito | stew, that screen is very long ,i don't know how to get back to the begining to copy . |
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| 15:47.59 | greycat | apt-cache show doesn't require root. |
| 15:48.04 | RedMushroom | ty |
| 15:48.04 | anoHito | stew, no scroll bar. |
| 15:48.06 | RedMushroom | ttyl |
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| 15:49.12 | unixluser | are there any good debian newsletters/ blogs to read in my spare time? |
| 15:49.16 | unixluser | nothing too technical |
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| 15:49.27 | ajavid | oh man |
| 15:49.31 | ajavid | I love 'radeon' driver |
| 15:49.42 | ajavid | look at the new features in the new radeon in git |
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| 15:49.49 | ajavid | orgasms |
| 15:49.52 | unixluser | for which chipset |
| 15:49.56 | ajavid | r5x |
| 15:49.56 | anoHito | CoolCold, it is done. |
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| 15:50.09 | ajavid | I'm only having x1900 so its r580 to be exact |
| 15:50.28 | ajavid | its now almost fully supporting all hardware features on the card |
| 15:50.40 | JyZyXEL | do the permissions of the target of mount play any part? |
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| 15:50.48 | ajavid | JyZyXEL, yes |
| 15:50.51 | unixluser | r700 is still way behind.. only real achievement is xv-output.. my hd4850 isn't being stressed at all |
| 15:50.55 | JyZyXEL | what exactly? |
| 15:50.58 | ajavid | the actual mountpiont permissions matter (not sure what you're trying to do) |
| 15:51.10 | greycat | Always make mount points 755. |
| 15:51.12 | JyZyXEL | im trying to mount shit so my normal user can access it too |
| 15:51.22 | greycat | JyZyXEL: is it vfat/ntfs stuff? |
| 15:51.26 | ajavid | mount your own fecal matter? |
| 15:51.28 | JyZyXEL | greycat yea |
| 15:51.28 | ajavid | sounds kinky. |
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| 15:51.41 | greycat | JyZyXEL: for vfat stuff, you have to give a special "user=someting" mount option |
| 15:51.52 | greycat | It has nothing to do with the mount point permissions in this case. |
| 15:51.55 | unixluser | greycat: doesn't that mean that any user can delete the mountpoint? |
| 15:52.02 | greycat | unixluser: no. |
| 15:52.09 | ajavid | greycat, not really, just uid/gid of the user (if you're the only user) for a multi user machine diff things |
| 15:52.12 | xxtjaxx_ | there was a patch for apt currently in the ubuntu crowd that stopped apt from arguing about no pub key iusntz that tested yet? |
| 15:52.15 | ajavid | mostly only that |
| 15:52.21 | unixluser | greycat: that's a+rwx, right? |
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| 15:52.27 | ajavid | xxtjaxx_, thats a horrible patch |
| 15:52.36 | ajavid | I'd like to know when my keys don't validate or have changed |
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| 15:52.47 | unixluser | xxtjaxx_: that's a retarded idea |
| 15:52.56 | unixluser | xxtjaxx_: ubuntu is devolving |
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| 15:53.05 | JyZyXEL | sudo mount --user='user' /dev/sdb1 /media/C/ |
| 15:53.16 | ajavid | ubuntu is the windows of linux |
| 15:53.34 | JyZyXEL | not working that great |
| 15:53.36 | ajavid | more specifically, ubuntu is the windows ME of linux, perpetually. |
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| 15:53.47 | greycat | JyZyXEL: there's also a "umask=" option. It's in "man mount" under "Mount options for fat". |
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| 15:54.00 | xxtjaxx_ | unixluser ajavid well m pubkey seems to invalid some how what now? |
| 15:54.05 | greycat | JyZyXEL: it's not "--user". It's "-o user=". |
| 15:54.08 | ajavid | JyZyXEL, are you the only user on the system? mount -t vfat -o rw,user,uid=1000,gid=1000 (or whatever your uid/gid is) |
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| 15:54.21 | ajavid | or that is also fine, many ways do it |
| 15:54.40 | greycat | Ah, sorry, uid= instead of user=. |
| 15:54.42 | greycat | It's been a long time. |
| 15:54.50 | ajavid | it has been a long time |
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| 15:55.02 | ajavid | I haven't really seen you around since ... sarge/testing? |
| 15:55.03 | ward__ | congrantuulation with debian 5 |
| 15:55.09 | ward__ | botj mencoder and ffmpeg do not work |
| 15:55.10 | stew | anoHito: how about "show status lik e'%cache%';" |
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| 15:55.24 | JyZyXEL | well that was nice |
| 15:55.32 | anoHito | greycat, please check it again,now finished mysqlcheck,system load is dropping down to 0.8 ,here the iostat status http://pastebin.ca/1407450 |
| 15:55.50 | anoHito | stew, wait. |
| 15:55.58 | lillis | Would hitting the testing or unstable repositories make it easy for me to update to Open office 3? |
| 15:56.01 | greycat | If you're looking for disk bottlenecks, you want the stats when it's under high load. |
| 15:56.11 | ward__ | qso is there any reason for mencoder and ffmpeg both not to work? |
| 15:56.20 | xxtjaxx_ | how can i change my pubkey so that apt gets it? |
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| 15:56.48 | anoHito | stew, http://pastebin.ca/1407453 |
| 15:57.02 | unixluser | xxtjaxx_: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
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| 15:57.24 | unixluser | xxtjaxx_: take your time |
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| 15:58.52 | ward__ | bah |
| 15:58.59 | ward__ | im totally stuck because of this |
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| 16:04.08 | JyZyXEL | damnit permission denied |
| 16:04.38 | JyZyXEL | guess i better use -t ntfs-3g |
| 16:04.41 | greycat | use uid= and gid= if you just want your regular account to have access. use umask= if you want to give access to a whole bunch. |
| 16:04.50 | greycat | and if it's ntfs, then I have no clue. |
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| 16:05.35 | u2pian | can we install using ipkg by using ipk files locally in hard drive, no internet connection |
| 16:05.36 | ajavid | there are ntfsro and ntfsrw factoids |
| 16:05.38 | ajavid | as well as ntfs-3g |
| 16:05.50 | JyZyXEL | yea the ntfs-3g type helped |
| 16:05.57 | ajavid | !dpkg.web.search |
| 16:05.57 | dpkg | dpkg.web.search is probably A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 16:06.02 | abrotman | u2pian: you mean use 'dpkg to install .deb files' ? |
| 16:06.05 | ajavid | use it. |
| 16:06.22 | u2pian | abrotman: .ipk files..for my ipaq running Familair Linux |
| 16:06.32 | CoolCold | anoHito: so, what hdparm says? |
| 16:06.33 | greycat | u2pian: funny, I thought I was in #debian |
| 16:06.39 | abrotman | u2pian: how the heck would we know .. |
| 16:06.47 | u2pian | greycat: its similar to dpkg.. |
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| 16:06.53 | abrotman | it's not dpkg .. ask them not us |
| 16:06.59 | bl4ckcomb | hi, I'm having a problem with my USB ports. When I attach an usb stick (I've tried 3 different devices) the drive appears in the "computer" directory, but isn't mounted. I also can't mount them manually. My bluetooth dongle also refuses to work... Any ideas? |
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| 16:07.05 | JyZyXEL | man is working weirdly in the debian livecd |
| 16:07.08 | JyZyXEL | it uses more to display manuals |
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| 16:07.28 | JyZyXEL | arrowkeys don't work and pgup and pgdown don't work |
| 16:07.31 | JyZyXEL | search doesn't work |
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| 16:07.37 | abrotman | i mean ... http://familiar.handhelds.org/#irc |
| 16:07.39 | abrotman | that wsa hard |
| 16:07.57 | JyZyXEL | why the heck are manuals being displayed with more |
| 16:08.10 | stew | JyZyXEL: they are displayed using sensible-pager |
| 16:08.15 | abrotman | because you don't have less installed? |
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| 16:08.46 | JyZyXEL | holy shit i didn't even know that |
| 16:08.54 | JyZyXEL | less is used for manuals |
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| 16:09.13 | stew | JyZyXEL: what does "readlink -f /usr/bin/pager" return? |
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| 16:09.53 | JyZyXEL | points to less now |
| 16:10.06 | stew | JyZyXEL: how did you change that? |
| 16:10.12 | JyZyXEL | by apt-get install less |
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| 16:12.16 | JyZyXEL | man im loving having lenny on my main desktop alerady |
| 16:13.08 | bl4ckcomb | I loved it until my usb devices stopped working -_- |
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| 16:15.56 | xxtjaxx_ | Uhm i found a bug in apt-key its trivial though but a pretty ugly though |
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| 16:16.35 | Polarina | xxtjaxx_: File a bug report. |
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| 16:16.39 | xxtjaxx_ | grep "wget" /usr/bin/apt-key : (cd /var/lib/apt/keyrings; wget -q -N $ARCHIVE_KEYRING_URI) |
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| 16:17.32 | xxtjaxx_ | Polarina I wanted to update my keys with it as i wanted to typ apt-key net.update and boog wget failure |
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| 16:18.03 | ajavid | most is good |
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| 16:18.45 | ajavid | most shows more colorization in man pages by default |
| 16:18.56 | ajavid | nicer to read color coded pages |
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| 16:19.13 | xxtjaxx_ | ajavid, duh what? |
| 16:19.22 | ajavid | duh? |
| 16:19.34 | xxtjaxx_ | most? |
| 16:19.42 | ajavid | yes most |
| 16:19.48 | ajavid | is my default pager |
| 16:19.55 | xxtjaxx_ | aha |
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| 16:20.32 | xxtjaxx_ | is it wrong to write apt-key net-update http://people.debian .... |
| 16:20.34 | xxtjaxx_ | ? |
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| 16:22.48 | ajavid | no clue |
| 16:22.49 | ajavid | is it? |
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| 16:23.23 | ajavid | also most as a pager also is responding to mouse wheel events |
| 16:23.37 | ajavid | less wasn't, i can scroll through the man page itself via mouse wheel in X thats crazy |
| 16:23.49 | ajavid | I've always have to use the keyboard mouse never worked |
| 16:23.53 | ajavid | this is awesome! |
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| 16:24.43 | corran | A semi-quick question on X: Where does X keep the keyboard layouts? I am trying to track down why it is interpreting the up-arrow as printscreen (the key is fine on the console) |
| 16:24.48 | anoHito | CoolCold, THANKS,i gotta run. |
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| 16:25.25 | ajavid | corran, you can try xev, push the arrow and see what keycode is generated |
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| 16:25.37 | ajavid | corran, you can also use it to set the key to correct code |
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| 16:25.57 | ajavid | I think... |
| 16:26.18 | corran | I can xmodmap it yes, but this happened across an upgrade, hence I want to figure out what changed |
| 16:26.48 | ajavid | state 0x0, keycode 111 (keysym 0xff52, Up) |
| 16:26.54 | ajavid | hm |
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| 16:28.04 | ajavid | x11-xkb-utils |
| 16:28.20 | ajavid | I think /usr/bin/setxkbmap |
| 16:28.45 | xxtjaxx_ | Daaaaaamn that was such a trivial bullshitty hack |
| 16:28.48 | ajavid | still trying to find out where it keeps the layouts |
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| 16:29.39 | ajavid | maybe /usr/share/X11/xkb |
| 16:29.59 | ajavid | those keymaps there |
| 16:30.42 | xxtjaxx_ | ajavid, i patched the apt-key shell script and want to make a bug reportv as needed with atached diff -u but where?(link maybe?) |
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| 16:31.07 | ajavid | use the reportbug package |
| 16:31.09 | ajavid | !reportbug |
| 16:31.09 | dpkg | [reportbug] used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug |
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| 16:31.25 | omry | where can I find etch netinst cd? |
| 16:31.40 | smith | how can I see HD labels? |
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| 16:31.47 | ajavid | !archive |
| 16:31.47 | dpkg | archive is probably a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 16:31.48 | smith | gparted, and cfdisk don't show it |
| 16:31.52 | ajavid | hm |
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| 16:32.05 | d-b | omry: lenny is the current stable. |
| 16:32.15 | ajavid | etch is oldstable and I'm guessing its still a bit supported until some time maybe? |
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| 16:32.50 | omry | d-b, I need a version with php4 for some testing |
| 16:32.57 | ajavid | so http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ |
| 16:33.01 | d-b | omry: php4 is depreciated |
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| 16:33.10 | JyZyXEL | what the heck happen to good old xmms? |
| 16:33.16 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't have a GUI anymore? |
| 16:33.17 | omry | d-b, still used by 25% of my users. |
| 16:33.20 | d-b | please upgrade to php5, you have no security or official php support from php. |
| 16:33.24 | omry | I can't deprecate it just yet. |
| 16:33.31 | d-b | omry: phase it out. |
| 16:33.36 | omry | ajavid, thanks. |
| 16:33.39 | d-b | i doubt they need it. |
| 16:33.49 | ajavid | if you have legacy apps you need php4 |
| 16:33.55 | omry | d-b, at a major version point of my application. not in a bugfix release. |
| 16:34.02 | ajavid | you really should upgrade though, or try to not use php4 apps |
| 16:34.10 | ajavid | should REALLY consider php5 |
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| 16:34.29 | d-b | ajavid: can't you run php5 in some compatibility mode? |
| 16:34.33 | d-b | or hax the calls? |
| 16:34.35 | ajavid | no clue, ask ##php |
| 16:34.37 | omry | ajavid, I am developing an app. it supports php4 and php4. I can't just drop php4 yet. |
| 16:34.40 | Bladerunner05 | wich is the repository to install jboss4 ?? |
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| 16:35.03 | ajavid | what is jbos.a.sdnf;lakjd;lfk fuck my toe, it hurts! ow I just hit it on my leg of my desk |
| 16:35.07 | ajavid | ohhhh dude |
| 16:35.13 | ajavid | Bladerunner05, what is a jboss4? |
| 16:35.30 | d-b | !jboss |
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| 16:35.40 | ajavid | oh that sucked |
| 16:35.44 | JyZyXEL | is there any mp3 player with gui? |
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| 16:35.47 | JyZyXEL | like xmms used to be |
| 16:35.48 | Bladerunner05 | is an application server for java |
| 16:35.51 | d-b | !java |
| 16:35.52 | dpkg | from memory, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:36.16 | ajavid | http://wiki.debian.org/JBossPackaging |
| 16:36.20 | ajavid | Bladerunner05, ^^ |
| 16:36.27 | ajavid | Use the following snippet for your sources.list: |
| 16:36.46 | ajavid | .. so forth |
| 16:37.22 | bl4ckcomb | does anyone like to help fixing my usb problem? |
| 16:37.46 | d-b | !ask |
| 16:37.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 16:38.00 | bl4ckcomb | d-b, I've asked it earlier... |
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| 16:38.13 | bl4ckcomb | <bl4ckcomb> hi, I'm having a problem with my USB ports. When I attach an usb stick (I've tried 3 different devices) the drive appears in the "computer" directory, but isn't mounted. I also can't mount them manually. My bluetooth dongle also refuses to work... Any ideas? |
| 16:38.26 | Bladerunner05 | ajavid thanks that's for jboss5 and know about for jboss4 ?? |
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| 16:38.34 | ajavid | oh |
| 16:38.41 | ajavid | I didn't even look, my bad dude |
| 16:38.51 | ajavid | I have no idea, I just googled it |
| 16:38.52 | ajavid | :) |
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| 16:40.16 | ajavid | http://lorenzod8n.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/jboss-on-debian-quickstart/ |
| 16:40.22 | epsas | where is a good channel to talk about XDG / Desktop / Menu customization |
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| 16:40.28 | epsas | I want to know how to customize the gnome menu |
| 16:40.51 | epsas | so that the crap I don't want users to be bothered with are not visible |
| 16:40.54 | ajavid | maybe on irc.gnome.org #gnome? |
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| 16:41.14 | ajavid | or oftc.net #debian-gnome |
| 16:41.15 | epsas | i know how to override the debian menus (placing empty items in /etc/menu) |
| 16:41.17 | ajavid | or something |
| 16:41.22 | daxim | hello, on a host I use cat /etc/debian_version says lenny/sid. which timeframe of debian release is that? |
| 16:41.37 | xxtjaxx_ | in which paket is apt-key |
| 16:41.42 | epsas | i guess that would be a good place to ask... but it's really a cross-desktop problem (or at least should be) |
| 16:41.42 | ajavid | daxim, thats not conslusive enough |
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| 16:41.55 | ajavid | daxim, sudo apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500 |
| 16:41.55 | stew | daxim: from sometime when lenny was testing |
| 16:41.58 | greycat | daxim: isn't that "before lenny froze"? |
| 16:42.08 | ajavid | oh lenny |
| 16:42.19 | ajavid | I'm somewhat blind at times.. wtf was I thinking |
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| 16:42.30 | xxtjaxx_ | in which paket is apt-key? |
| 16:42.40 | greycat | xxtjaxx_: try http://packages.debian.org |
| 16:42.54 | ajavid | eitherway, policy will tell you if you have testing or unstable |
| 16:43.01 | daxim | ajavid, I don't have sudo. how do I come to a conclusion? |
| 16:43.02 | ajavid | from where the libc6 came from anyway |
| 16:43.12 | ajavid | I just peddle sudo. |
| 16:43.24 | daxim | how do I peddle sudo? |
| 16:43.41 | bl4ckcomb | daxim, open terminal in su mode |
| 16:43.44 | greycat | daxim: you don't need sudo for apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 16:43.46 | ajavid | oh stop trolling me or I'm gonna do something to you |
| 16:43.48 | ajavid | shaddup |
| 16:44.00 | xxtjaxx_ | greycat, got it its apt |
| 16:44.15 | daxim | alright, output is 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/main Packages |
| 16:44.18 | greycat | xxtjaxx_: ah, if you already had it installed, you could use "dpkg -S filename" |
| 16:44.23 | daxim | which timeframe is that? |
| 16:44.29 | stew | daxim: this is the upload that changed it, so its from lenny while it was testing, but before this upload: http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/base-files/news/20081204T091704Z.html |
| 16:44.33 | greycat | daxim: several months ago |
| 16:44.33 | smith | how can I watch progress of dd if=... of=.. ? |
| 16:44.52 | ajavid | daxim, loks like you have lenny from th testing phase, about last year maybe |
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| 16:45.18 | ajavid | but its definite that you never had sid, only lenny, when it not stable |
| 16:45.18 | stew | daxim: here's when it was changed to lenny/sid: http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/base-files/news/20070403T100214Z.html |
| 16:45.24 | daxim | is there a webpage I can show the sysadmin how to bring the machine up to date? |
| 16:45.47 | stew | daxim: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 16:45.57 | ajavid | a page for upgrading debian, hmm probably in the wiki but there is a irc factoid of it |
| 16:46.00 | ajavid | and there it is |
| 16:46.04 | daxim | neat, bot info |
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| 16:46.16 | ajavid | and it is available online as well |
| 16:46.18 | stew | daxim: its not true that "its definite that you never had sid, only lenny" |
| 16:46.21 | ajavid | you can show him on a webpage |
| 16:46.27 | ajavid | !dpkb.web.search |
| 16:46.33 | ajavid | dang |
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| 16:46.53 | greycat | He's not really doing a full etch->lenny though. |
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| 16:47.00 | ajavid | http://dpkg.vireo.org:80/search.php?q=etch->lenny&term=key |
| 16:47.08 | stew | greycat: right, but the recommended procedure to upgrading to stable is the same |
| 16:47.20 | cognitiaclaeves | I have an installation of lenny in a vm that seems to capped at 3.9M/s file transfers. Is there a way to tell if it is something in the OS that is causing that cap? |
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| 16:47.50 | ajavid | cognitiaclaeves, highly unlikely that its the os. It is the VM. |
| 16:48.00 | ajavid | but thats just my opinion and its wrong. |
| 16:48.01 | daxim | alright, that brings me on track. thanks, ajavid++, stew++, greycat++ |
| 16:48.22 | cognitiaclaeves | ajavid: um. Thanks. I guess. :p |
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| 16:48.35 | ajavid | :) |
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| 16:48.51 | gravity | Is karma back en masse on irc these days? I keep seeing people increment nicks lately. |
| 16:49.07 | ajavid | dunno, I think dpkg is still wired in |
| 16:49.08 | stew | smith: see the pv package |
| 16:49.14 | ajavid | !karma ajavid |
| 16:49.14 | dpkg | ajavid has neutral karma |
| 16:49.22 | ajavid | yup. |
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| 16:51.02 | cognitiaclaeves | what is karma? |
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| 16:51.48 | daxim | a way to keep track of helpful answerers |
| 16:51.55 | ajavid | Its sanskrit, its Karm/Kurm really, it means kindness literally, but it also means what you sow is what you reap, what goes around comes around |
| 16:51.57 | gravity | cognitiaclaeves: Like slashdot karma. It's an essentially meaningless point system. People can up your karma if they appreciate something you did |
| 16:52.11 | cognitiaclaeves | ah. |
| 16:52.19 | corran | ajavid: thank you, no idea what happened but it would appear that either there was a change to the base config, or something caused my modmap to freak out. |
| 16:52.30 | cognitiaclaeves | can I dink ajavid for that answer? :p |
| 16:52.31 | ajavid | literally, when you have Karm on someone, its a good thing,, you're being helpful and kind, and it comes back to you in its own way |
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| 16:52.45 | ajavid | thas how they take the meaning now in the internet world |
| 16:52.52 | ajavid | but the pointify the system etc. |
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| 16:53.10 | corran | Needless to say, a swift removal of all the useless keys in the modmap file fixed the problem |
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| 16:53.39 | gravity | corran: That's the usual problem |
| 16:54.03 | gravity | The keycodes changed with the shift to evdev, so the people having troubles always without fail have some customization |
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| 16:54.20 | corran | gravity: ah, yes, that would do it |
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| 16:54.42 | gravity | See also: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/CurrentProblemsInUnstable |
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| 16:55.15 | jmoncayo | hey guys, i am trying to compile a kernel module, but i get an error about gcc, it says kernel compiled with gcc-4.3 and the module was compiled with 4.1.. Should i continue to compile the new module? |
| 16:55.21 | zhxk | ç»äºå¯ä»¥ä½¿ç¨ä¸æäº |
| 16:55.33 | stew | !zh |
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| 16:55.33 | dpkg | [cn] China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 16:55.45 | ajavid | Some very bad performance has been reported on various ATI boards when using Debian's 2.6.29 kernel. Installing firmware-linux may help (a Suggests will be added to the relevant drivers) <-- that one eluded me for a few hours |
| 16:56.25 | ajavid | firmwares have been extracted from the drivers |
| 16:56.35 | jmoncayo | anyone? |
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| 16:56.44 | jmoncayo | how cani change the cc env var? |
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| 16:57.04 | daxim | export CC=something |
| 16:57.31 | zhxk | stew:kpkg show a mess code |
| 16:57.45 | stew | zhxk: what? |
| 16:57.48 | JyZyXEL | god damn fucking piece of shit samba |
| 16:58.03 | magyar_ | is there an easy way to hotadd a harddrive to a md arrray? |
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| 16:58.17 | zhxk | what that follows Qt/KDE shows a mess code |
| 16:58.19 | daxim | zhxk says that the message dpkg said is ä¹±ç , messy encoding |
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| 16:58.48 | daxim | I think that is for the benefit of the people who come here with GB encoding |
| 16:58.51 | oso`perezoso | hi |
| 16:59.07 | corran | gravity: Hmm, well, I will miss the non-evdev keyboard support. I really don't trust the evdev people to fix bugs in their code. |
| 16:59.12 | oso`perezoso | gentoo |
| 16:59.14 | epsas | win 12 |
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| 16:59.39 | gravity | corran: Why not? |
| 16:59.56 | zhxk | daxim: you know zh well |
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| 17:00.11 | daxim | I don't. |
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| 17:00.44 | corran | gravity: they managed to break mouse input on some games that grab the mouse like et-wolf for 6-10 months, and I don't know if it has been fixed yet |
| 17:00.49 | zhxk | daxim:you correctly interpreted my sentence |
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| 17:01.21 | corran | gravity: I honestly don't know how they managed that, but they did. |
| 17:01.59 | gravity | corran: How did it break? |
| 17:02.02 | oso`perezoso | I am trying to convert a deb package to GENTOO ebuild |
| 17:02.08 | cognitiaclaeves | how do I get open-vm-tools to build vmxnet? For some reason module-assistant skipped that one... |
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| 17:02.27 | JyZyXEL | whats the fastest way of sharing directorys between to networked debians? |
| 17:02.45 | sepult | oso`perezoso: why ? |
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| 17:02.53 | sepult | oso`perezoso: that's gonna fail badly |
| 17:02.55 | JyZyXEL | actually file |
| 17:03.02 | JyZyXEL | i wanna watch a video file from my other box |
| 17:03.04 | sepult | oso`perezoso: if you don't mean the deb-src packages |
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| 17:03.20 | sepult | oso`perezoso: which on they own have dependencies again |
| 17:03.39 | oso`perezoso | true. ok forget it |
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| 17:04.21 | JyZyXEL | whats the fastest file sharing method? |
| 17:04.31 | corran | gravity: Basically they munged the pointer movement code |
| 17:04.32 | unixluser | JyZyXEL: cp |
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| 17:04.39 | JyZyXEL | no i don't wanna copy |
| 17:04.45 | JyZyXEL | i wanna watch it from the other computer |
| 17:04.50 | gusto | JyZyXEL: is it a joke? |
| 17:04.53 | marens | JyZyXEL: fuse ssh ? |
| 17:04.59 | corran | gravity: so those games would get gibberish input |
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| 17:05.05 | JyZyXEL | fuse ssh? |
| 17:05.09 | marens | yep |
| 17:05.12 | JyZyXEL | whats that |
| 17:05.23 | unixluser | JyZyXEL: one google search away from enlightenment |
| 17:05.25 | stew | JyZyXEL: nfs perhaps |
| 17:05.38 | JyZyXEL | avfs - virtual filesystem to access archives, disk images, remote locations |
| 17:05.41 | stew | ssh is certainly not going to be "the fastest file sharing method" |
| 17:05.50 | gusto | yes |
| 17:05.52 | JyZyXEL | i just wanna have it up and running FAST |
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| 17:06.04 | gusto | I use NFS or samba to access files on other computers |
| 17:06.05 | unixluser | oh, you mean "implemented quickly" |
| 17:06.14 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 17:06.16 | jmoncayo | hey guys, how can i make a module load in every boot up? |
| 17:06.17 | gusto | but NFS is clearly faster |
| 17:06.22 | gusto | by design |
| 17:06.28 | JyZyXEL | ill try avfs |
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| 17:06.29 | unixluser | JyZyXEL: nfs is already enbled on Debian |
| 17:06.30 | gusto | by UTP design :-D |
| 17:06.45 | gusto | yes thats shit |
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| 17:06.50 | corran | gusto: but NFS is also the spawn of a daemon, here to destory mankind |
| 17:06.54 | unixluser | it'd depend on the other computers, though |
| 17:06.55 | gusto | I have to desable that rcs everytime |
| 17:06.56 | JyZyXEL | No manual entry for avfs |
| 17:06.59 | JyZyXEL | fucking great |
| 17:07.07 | marens | JyZyXEL: or use the built in share via webdav in the altest gnome |
| 17:07.08 | unixluser | g o o g l e |
| 17:07.10 | marens | latest |
| 17:07.12 | jmoncayo | anyone? |
| 17:07.33 | gusto | corran: why does it destroy ... whatever? |
| 17:07.49 | gravity | jmoncayo: You used to be able to just add the module name to the file /etc/modules |
| 17:07.57 | jmoncayo | gravity: thanks |
| 17:08.03 | gravity | jmoncayo: I haven't tried to do that in a long time, but I'd be surprised if it still didn't work |
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| 17:08.42 | corran | gusto: That was just bitterness that it was initially designed without thought to authentication |
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| 17:09.21 | corran | gusto: and it has only been sort of hacked in to the latest versions |
| 17:09.24 | JyZyXEL | sshfs |
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| 17:09.39 | JyZyXEL | fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
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| 17:09.46 | JyZyXEL | god damnit |
| 17:09.49 | corran | JyZyXEL: are you root? |
| 17:09.58 | JyZyXEL | no and i don't intend to mount it root |
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| 17:10.02 | gusto | corran: and why does it destroy mankind? |
| 17:10.06 | JyZyXEL | that would mean i need to run VLC root too |
| 17:10.10 | JyZyXEL | and fuck that |
| 17:10.27 | marens | JyZyXEL: there are many good howtos out there, how to get sshfs running in 5 minutes |
| 17:10.31 | stew | JyZyXEL: what would mean you need to run VLC as root? |
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| 17:10.36 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 17:10.41 | Deffie | hi people |
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| 17:10.48 | stew | JyZyXEL: what do you mean by "yes"? |
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| 17:11.31 | corran | JyZyXEL: Why don't you use the vlc streaming stuff? |
| 17:11.32 | Deffie | +l 951 a long time i dont see someone playing with a mirkforce |
| 17:11.38 | Deffie | :P |
| 17:11.52 | JyZyXEL | ill add myself to fuse group |
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| 17:12.24 | JyZyXEL | didn't help |
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| 17:12.55 | JyZyXEL | fuck ill just chmod 777 the whole /dev/fuse |
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| 17:13.09 | daxim | nuke it from orbit! |
| 17:13.17 | daxim | that's the only way to be sure |
| 17:13.17 | hark_ | JyZyXEL: logout and login |
| 17:13.20 | lillis | 19:12 < JyZyXEL> fuck ill just chmod 777 the whole /dev/fuse |
| 17:13.33 | lillis | A nerd with vengeance on his mind. |
| 17:13.37 | lillis | Terrible thing to behold.. |
| 17:13.45 | Deffie | which debian can i debootstrap considering i'm on 2.6.17 ppc, i tried sid but it is 2.6.18 and i get kernel too old when chrooting, with etch i got executables built for 2.4 |
| 17:14.58 | greycat | sid has 2.6.29.1 now |
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| 17:15.57 | greycat | even stable (lenny) has 2.6.26 |
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| 17:16.16 | unixluser | i want to have a passphrase-less gpg key, but passwd won't take empty strings |
| 17:16.20 | unixluser | ie hitting enter |
| 17:16.37 | caotic | can anyone tell me where does the iptables file is usally stored in debian ? |
| 17:16.41 | abrotman | unixluser: tried #gnupg ? |
| 17:16.42 | greycat | unixluser: ask #gnupg |
| 17:17.06 | unixluser | yeah, forgot that first port of call |
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| 17:18.44 | Deffie | greycat etchnhalf maybe but it got updated :| |
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| 17:18.57 | sepult | wth, what happened to bluemars |
| 17:19.09 | greycat | etch had 2.6.18, etchnhalf has a 2.6.24 option |
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| 17:19.33 | rozzin | caotic: there is no iptables config-file in debian, currently. |
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| 17:19.53 | Deffie | greycat so maybe i would mean sarge/etch instead of etch/sid |
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| 17:20.18 | Deffie | greycat dont remember exactly what bootstraps provided :| i tried almost every :P |
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| 17:20.33 | Deffie | greycat provided/tried |
| 17:21.02 | caotic | rozzin: thanks for the info |
| 17:21.13 | JyZyXEL | god damnit sshfs requires root |
| 17:21.22 | stew | JyZyXEL: no, it doesn't |
| 17:21.33 | JyZyXEL | you can't use fuse without root |
| 17:21.38 | stew | JyZyXEL: yes you can |
| 17:21.57 | JyZyXEL | well im in the fuse group and it doesn't work |
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| 17:22.10 | stew | JyZyXEL: does "groups" list fuse? |
| 17:22.10 | rozzin | caotic: There *used to be* support in /etc/init.d/iptables for automatically loading iptables rules on boot, and/or saving them on shutdown; |
| 17:22.13 | greycat | JyZyXEL: did you logout and back in? |
| 17:22.22 | rozzin | caotic: I think that was back in... Sarge? |
| 17:22.39 | JyZyXEL | steve no it doesn't |
| 17:22.47 | greycat | JyZyXEL: logout and back in to re-read the groups |
| 17:22.55 | greycat | JyZyXEL: or in a single window, you can use "exec su - $LOGNAME" |
| 17:22.58 | stew | JyZyXEL: then you aren't in the fuse gruop. adding yourself to a group doens't affect existing processes |
| 17:23.01 | greycat | but that won't affect your other windows |
| 17:23.02 | stew | JyZyXEL: (such as your shell) |
| 17:23.23 | rozzin | caotic: but, even then, it carried a note of deprecation. |
| 17:23.24 | JyZyXEL | u_u |
| 17:24.03 | caotic | well, seems like I am gonna have a lot fo "fun" with my server |
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| 17:25.01 | JyZyXEL | sshfs rox |
| 17:25.06 | rozzin | caotic: it may make sense to call iptables in /etc/network/interfaces; |
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| 17:26.22 | abrotman | angry bugger ... |
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| 17:26.53 | greycat | I have "iptables-restore < /etc/firewall.conf" in /etc/network/if-up.d/iptables |
| 17:26.57 | rozzin | caotic: either putting the "iptables --append" (or "iptables --insert", or "iptables --replace") and "iptables --delete" commands directly into the up/down clauses of the interface stanzasm |
| 17:27.00 | greycat | (and also #!/bin/sh) |
| 17:27.18 | rozzin | or using iptables-save and iptables-restore. |
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| 17:27.47 | stew | greycat: move it to pre-up, OMGLOL your interface is unprotected between bringing the interface up and running the script |
| 17:28.23 | Deffie | i hope greycat has an antivirus |
| 17:28.24 | rozzin | greycat: you don't have multiple interfaces, do you? :) |
| 17:28.29 | caotic | rozzin: I will put a script on /etc/rc.local, the ting is I need to change the actuall configuration, wich I dont really know where is stored :S, so thats all the "fun" I was talking about |
| 17:28.33 | greycat | not on that machine |
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| 17:30.51 | greycat | stew: it doesn't "protect the interface". It shovels internal-IP-address incoming SMTP connections over to a different SMTP daemon that does *not* run RBL checks. The default one doees. |
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| 17:32.58 | rozzin | caotic: You have something inserting iptables rules, currently? |
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| 17:35.22 | unixluser | in order to get capslock to act as control in console, i copied us.map.gz to usa.map.gz, gunziped it, made the correct change, and gzipped it back. Now, install-keymap usa works as expected but only for the duration of the boot.. how do i make this permanent |
| 17:36.30 | jmoncayo | anyone here has configured a nvidia geforce go 6150 |
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| 17:39.54 | jmoncayo | how can i configure xorg? i tried xorg-config but there is not such a command |
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| 17:40.37 | greycat | some people have suggested "X -configure" |
| 17:40.49 | stew | jmoncayo: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will get you a sparse xorg.conf (which should work for most people). if you need a more explicit one, "X -configure" |
| 17:40.52 | greycat | otherwise, the debian packages generate a config for you when you install them |
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| 17:41.41 | HTT-Bird | ok. why doesn't NetworkManager show the GUI I'd expect it to? (in other words, I'm getting the interface status dialog instead of the nice menu when I left-click my networkmanager icon) |
| 17:41.42 | stew | for now. soon they wont generate a xorg.conf at all :) most people don't need an xorg.conf with the latest xorg.conf |
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| 17:41.57 | sdns | hi there |
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| 17:42.25 | sdns | I've a problem with a PDC on debian (Samba + Ldap) |
| 17:42.36 | sdns | windows client join the domain correctly |
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| 17:42.45 | sdns | logon it's ok |
| 17:42.59 | HTT-Bird | I'm on Lenny btw |
| 17:43.02 | sdns | but when I try to join the domain with a Linux client |
| 17:43.22 | sdns | I receive an error: |
| 17:44.00 | sdns | nt TEST mnetlogon_creds_server_check failed. Rejecting auth request from client machine account TEST$ |
| 17:44.24 | sdns | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:44.46 | sdns | yoruk? |
| 17:44.52 | sdns | amico mio |
| 17:44.56 | sdns | :D |
| 17:44.57 | yoruk | weee :) |
| 17:45.05 | sdns | tutto bene? |
| 17:45.10 | jmoncayo | stew: awesome thanks |
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| 17:45.32 | LiCeT | hi all |
| 17:46.05 | rozzin | unixluser: the keymap-file loaded at boot time is /etc/console/bootime.kmap.gz |
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| 17:46.19 | hark | HTT-Bird: maybe that's not network manager? |
| 17:47.52 | unixluser | rozzin: install-keymap (from manpage) is supposed to generate that boottime based on arguments |
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| 17:48.02 | unixluser | but it's not doing so in my case |
| 17:48.50 | LiCeT | my totem mozilla plugin tells is stopped...how can i restart? |
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| 17:49.25 | Bladerunner05 | hello wich package contains the java command ? |
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| 17:49.41 | Bladerunner05 | !java |
| 17:49.41 | dpkg | i heard java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:50.02 | Bladerunner05 | !install java |
| 17:50.02 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java-6-jre. Also ask me about <install java etch>. |
| 17:50.20 | greycat | Bladerunner05: you can also /msg dpkg install java |
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| 17:51.19 | stew | Bladerunner05: you'd want one of the -jre packages |
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| 17:52.30 | unixluser | rozzin: figured it out.. i have to hack /etc/init.d/console-screen.kbd.sh. boottime.kmap.gz can't be manually (md5 hash etc) implemented |
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| 17:52.55 | jmoncayo | anyone here playing urbanterror |
| 17:53.10 | HTT-Bird | hark, it sure seems to be |
| 17:53.15 | rozzin | unixluser: ah, right. Ah. |
| 17:53.34 | greycat | it sounds more stressful than ruralapathy |
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| 17:53.47 | debsan | jmoncayo, too early to play ut |
| 17:53.54 | Zitter | hi, I have two files: a .crt and a .key. I have to install them in my Debian. I'm searching on the web but I've found only how to install new certificate, not how to install an exiszting one. Any hint, please? |
| 17:54.02 | jmoncayo | debsan: i cant get it to run |
| 17:54.10 | jmoncayo | debsan: would you help me please |
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| 17:54.27 | Zitter | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.57 | JyZyXEL | can rsync take multiple source files? |
| 17:55.06 | hark | HTT-Bird: is it nm-applet? how about a screenshot? |
| 17:55.17 | HTT-Bird | hark, yeah, it's nm-applet |
| 17:55.19 | debsan | jmoncayo, you have to download an run the iourabanTerror |
| 17:55.22 | unixluser | Zitter: google import crt key |
| 17:55.47 | rozzin | unixluser: which release are you using? I don't have that init-script on Lenny.... |
| 17:56.05 | unixluser | rozzin: sid |
| 17:56.20 | debsan | jmoncayo, try to run it trhough the console, and paste the error |
| 17:56.40 | rozzin | unixluser: Ah, well..., I guess I can't be of much use to you, there :) |
| 17:56.42 | unixluser | rozzin: it'd be part of a console- package |
| 17:56.48 | unixluser | :) |
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| 17:57.08 | HTT-Bird | hark: screenie: http://yfrog.com/4nscreenshotconnectionprop |
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| 17:57.34 | jmoncayo | debsan: i ran the iourbanTerror.x86_64 |
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| 17:59.00 | ajavid | ohhh come on then |
| 17:59.05 | ajavid | wait this is debian |
| 17:59.50 | jmoncayo | debsan: when i run it by console, the screen resolution changes and it freezes |
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| 17:59.56 | cognitiaclaeves | What does this mean? ( It seems counter intuitive to someone that wants vmxnet installed ): install pcnet32 /sbin/modprobe -q --ignore-install vmxnet; /sbin/modprobe -q --ignore-install pcnet32 $CMDLINE_OPTS; /bin/true; |
| 17:59.56 | jmoncayo | with some erros i cannot read |
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| 18:00.29 | dusted | jmoncayo, not read in what way? can you paste them? |
| 18:00.32 | dusted | (on nopaste) |
| 18:01.11 | jmoncayo | dusted: the resolution is messed up i cannot read |
| 18:01.15 | hark | HTT-Bird: that's network-admin, the gnome network tool, not nm-applet |
| 18:01.19 | jmoncayo | the error shows a couple lines |
| 18:01.24 | jmoncayo | mouse is dead and stuff |
| 18:01.43 | dusted | then do ./iourbanTerror.x86_64 &> log.txt |
| 18:01.49 | hark | HTT-Bird: run nm-applet from a terminal and see the output |
| 18:01.50 | dusted | and open log.txt when you've restarted X |
| 18:01.58 | Zitter | unixluser, is it normal that they send me an email with the text for .crt and .key files? I mean they've send me not attached files, obscured text en the email |
| 18:02.11 | dusted | jmoncayo, and poste the content of log.txt on a nopaste board |
| 18:02.17 | dusted | *paste |
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| 18:02.22 | Fear` | http://www.marie-wird-entjungfert.net/?uid=59575 |
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| 18:02.30 | greycat | I'd say sending certificate information in email is unusual, period. |
| 18:02.31 | unixluser | rozzin: console-setup was the package, if you're interested. I had it to enable terminus font @ console.. I've since removed it, and figured out how to get terminus active without the package |
| 18:02.32 | jmoncayo | dusted: oki |
| 18:02.35 | unixluser | rozzin: just fyi ;) |
| 18:02.43 | unixluser | Zitter: that's extremely bad practice |
| 18:03.35 | Zitter | unixluser, ok. But now I need to know if it works if I copy text in new files: foo.crt and foo.key |
| 18:03.50 | Zitter | or do they have to send files? |
| 18:04.03 | dusted | Zitter, just paste the text into empty files |
| 18:04.10 | Zitter | ok |
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| 18:05.32 | Zitter | then I have to follow a guide to install those existing files, right? |
| 18:05.34 | mns | I've got Debian/squeeze and am using exim4 as a smarthost. smarthost is the corporate email server (MS Exchange). I set the laptop up on Monday night, things were working Tuesday, and today they are not working. All outgoing email is getting deferred and sitting in the mail queue on my laptop. |
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| 18:06.03 | dusted | Zitter, if you don't know what to do with them then yes, or ask someone who know |
| 18:06.04 | zhxk | gotta sleep, good morning, good aftertoon and good night every one! see you late! |
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| 18:13.38 | jmoncayo | it wont write the error out of ioUrbanTerror |
| 18:13.48 | jmoncayo | log.txt is empty |
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| 18:14.23 | greycat | No news is good news. |
| 18:14.46 | jmoncayo | the problem is that the game doesnt work |
| 18:14.54 | jmoncayo | i get the messages in the screen but it wont write to the file |
| 18:15.10 | dusted | oh, in the screen in the game? |
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| 18:15.27 | jmoncayo | no no, before it starts the game |
| 18:15.36 | jmoncayo | it doesnt even start it |
| 18:15.38 | dusted | in the console? |
| 18:15.40 | greycat | Like, on stderr, and you typed "ut > log.txt" and forgot the 2>&1 part? |
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| 18:16.00 | jmoncayo | greycat: :D |
| 18:16.04 | dusted | greycat, but &> should redirect stdin and stdout? |
| 18:16.14 | greycat | dusted: stdout and stderr, in bash only, yes. |
| 18:16.14 | dusted | no? |
| 18:16.17 | jmoncayo | never understood the > with numbers thingy |
| 18:16.21 | dusted | oh |
| 18:16.31 | greycat | jmoncayo: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/055 |
| 18:16.35 | jmoncayo | dusted: it says something about hardware aceleration |
| 18:16.36 | jelly-home | greycat: zsh does >& too |
| 18:16.37 | dusted | yes, stderr and stdout ofc :) |
| 18:16.48 | jmoncayo | oki i will look into that |
| 18:17.10 | dusted | jmoncayo, is your driver installed ? are you able to run other accelerated apps, like glxgears that is in the mesa-utils package |
| 18:17.23 | smeea | hello guys. i want to make automount usb-flash via halevt daemon, but there is a problem: halevt daemon mount it with root owner/group and i want it to mount with my user owner/group (or virtual user like 'halevt@halevt' and add myself to halevt group). i look into halevt config but there i can change only umask, not owner/group. how can i solve it? |
| 18:17.37 | jmoncayo | dusted: i have a nvidia geforce go 6150 |
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| 18:18.26 | dusted | jmoncayo, I'd install the (EVIL!!! UUUuuuUH don't tell fsf) propriotary nvidia driver |
| 18:18.36 | oliva | hi there ... how can I limit filesystem damages in case of power failure? |
| 18:18.44 | greycat | Buy a UPS. |
| 18:18.49 | smeea | if i make manually 'halevt-mount -d /dev/sdb1' from user it mounts with user owner, but it not enough comfortable, i want daemon to do it |
| 18:18.57 | dusted | and turn off write cache |
| 18:19.04 | dusted | which makes your system grind to a stop |
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| 18:19.16 | jmoncayo | dusted: glxgears run |
| 18:19.33 | dusted | okay, can you paste the output from glxinfo to a nopaste |
| 18:19.44 | dusted | or just the top.. 10 lines if it's as big as mine |
| 18:20.34 | dusted | if the glx vendor tells anything other than nvidia, I'd recommend installling the official driver from nvidia |
| 18:20.35 | oliva | dusted: how do I turn write cache off? |
| 18:21.14 | dusted | oliva, I have no idea, but I'd recommend buying a UPS instead, you can get a nice cheap one that will hold your system in the air for an hour, |
| 18:21.31 | HTT-Bird | hark, when I run it as myself, I get no terminal output and no sign of the networkmanager menu |
| 18:21.44 | dusted | they even come with cables to tell your system how much bettery is on, and most of them have linux software that supports shutting the system down in case of low battery |
| 18:21.47 | oliva | We have one and want to test a UPS longevity by keeping the system up till it dies |
| 18:22.26 | oliva | so i know that the system will fail ... and I want to prevent nasty damages to the filesystem |
| 18:22.27 | HTT-Bird | oliva, what FS are you using? |
| 18:22.31 | oliva | ext3 |
| 18:22.38 | jmoncayo | dusted: http://pastebin.ca/1407593 |
| 18:22.57 | HTT-Bird | oliva, just let the system sit at idle, ext3's journals will make sure nothing goes horrifically wrong |
| 18:23.13 | dusted | jmoncayo, I doubt you'll be able to run any serious 3D game with that driver, it's horribly slow and not that compatible |
| 18:23.33 | jmoncayo | dusted: should i try the propertary driver? |
| 18:23.49 | oliva | HTT-Bird: how can I let the system sit at idle? |
| 18:23.49 | dusted | jmoncayo, yes, if you don't have any ethical problems doing that (I know I dont) |
| 18:24.11 | dusted | oliva, you could boot it, and remount in read-only |
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| 18:24.15 | tarzeau | who was it saying gimp is too bloaty, they want an alternative? |
| 18:24.24 | jmoncayo | dusted: i dont |
| 18:24.24 | ranix | lol wut |
| 18:24.25 | tarzeau | did anyone manage to get Maya installed on Debian? |
| 18:24.36 | jmoncayo | dusted: is there any debian package already made? |
| 18:24.37 | jmoncayo | :D |
| 18:24.59 | tarzeau | !ops cOmmAnds: go fuck yourself with your porno spam |
| 18:24.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: tarzeau complains about: cOmmAnds: go fuck yourself with your porno spam |
| 18:25.09 | dusted | jmoncayo, don't know, heres how to do: install the headers for your currently running kernel, download driver from nvidia, make executable, kill X, run from tty |
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| 18:25.18 | oliva | dusted: that's was I was considering to do ... but what about var log? |
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| 18:25.36 | dusted | oliva, well, if it's read only nothing will get written |
| 18:25.41 | HTT-Bird | pokes hark |
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| 18:26.42 | dusted | if those are seperate partitions, you can remount them as read only too, and kill whatever needs to write a log (or simply let them fail) |
| 18:26.42 | oliva | dusted: will it be a problem? |
| 18:26.43 | dusted | no |
| 18:26.43 | dusted | unless you need the logs |
| 18:26.43 | oliva | uhm |
| 18:26.43 | HTT-Bird | basically, nm-applet is already running (and displaying notifications), but the notifications appear in the top-left corner and there's no sign of the "tray" icon either |
| 18:26.46 | oliva | so doing I will not have filesystem inconsistency |
| 18:26.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: it was jpinx |
| 18:26.59 | oliva | sorry for my nasty english |
| 18:27.00 | dusted | oliva, you still could, but that would be a hardware failure |
| 18:27.01 | tarzeau | jpinx-eeepc: you ? |
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| 18:27.13 | streuner_ | tarzeau: you are in good mood :-) |
| 18:27.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: i have packaged something great, absolute lightweight |
| 18:27.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: tuxpaint? |
| 18:27.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: grafx2 |
| 18:27.32 | HTT-Bird | oliva, ext3 is JOURNALED. that means that the filesystem will end up consistent in the end, even if the power fails |
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| 18:27.49 | greycat | HTT-Bird: one hopes. |
| 18:27.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: tuxpaint is for children up to 3 years, microsoft paint is better. this is for newbies, grafx2 is for professionals |
| 18:28.01 | oliva | :) |
| 18:28.07 | tarzeau | with it's own, hard to learn interface |
| 18:28.18 | greycat | ext3 is probably the best choice for surviving a power loss under Linux. As far as I'm aware of, anyway. |
| 18:28.20 | dusted | theres the K paint program that looks and feels a lot like mspaint |
| 18:28.25 | oliva | another way I was considering is to put a long timeout to grub |
| 18:28.39 | oliva | namely one day for example |
| 18:28.40 | streuner_ | greycat: i switched to JFS... |
| 18:28.40 | dusted | oliva, you could press "down" at grub |
| 18:28.45 | oliva | but it's not possible |
| 18:28.58 | oliva | dusted: I don't have a 200km finger |
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| 18:29.02 | dusted | ah |
| 18:29.06 | oliva | :) |
| 18:29.18 | dusted | I wouldn't let any machine die 200 km away if just for testing an ups |
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| 18:29.23 | dusted | run a self test on the ups |
| 18:29.42 | harryv | hey, I have a system up and running. I would like to make a hard copy of the disk to another disk (so I can replace it) |
| 18:29.46 | harryv | what's the best way to do that? |
| 18:29.47 | dusted | mine have a webinterface that lets me do that, without ever loosing power to the system behind it |
| 18:29.52 | harryv | .. the disks are not identical |
| 18:30.09 | HTT-Bird | hark: ok. nm-applet is running, but the tray icon's not showing |
| 18:30.13 | oliva | dusted: I just care about the machine (the 32 nodes cluster actually) and I have been asked to keep it powered |
| 18:30.37 | oliva | car means I admin only the cluster and not all the networlk |
| 18:31.09 | HTT-Bird | oliva, the nodes have ACPI, right? if so, you might be able to drag a power consumption estimate out of the ACPI BIOS |
| 18:31.33 | dusted | harryv, you could create partitions on the other disk, that are big enough to contain the data from your running disks and then copy the files over, and install a bootloader on it |
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| 18:32.12 | dusted | harryv, or if the other disk is the same size or bigger, you could dd the data over, but that's stupid and slow |
| 18:32.28 | harryv | I suppose I would have to fix fstab etc too |
| 18:32.36 | oliva | HTT-Bird: this doesn't depends on me |
| 18:32.43 | MrWax | I am in windows vista, and like to mount the partition where I have debian on, what would be a good tool to use? need to read and preferably if possible also write |
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| 18:33.39 | HTT-Bird | oliva, eh? between that power consumption estimate and the capacity of your UPS battery, you can compute runtime :) |
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| 18:33.54 | dusted | MrWax, call microsoft and inform them that their ext3 support is broken |
| 18:34.00 | MrWax | it's not |
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| 18:34.03 | HTT-Bird | dusted, LOL |
| 18:34.08 | oliva | yes but I'm sure they wont trust itù |
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| 18:35.09 | HTT-Bird | oliva, as in your superiors want you to run the battery down? |
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| 18:35.21 | dusted | oliva, you have to tell someone how long the system can survive on UPS? that's dependant on load and battery life and tempreture and the phase of the moon.. |
| 18:35.43 | HTT-Bird | well, load, battery life, and temp at least |
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| 18:36.04 | HTT-Bird | but the main factors are load and battery life/capacity |
| 18:36.05 | jmoncayo | dusted: hey buddy |
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| 18:36.16 | dusted | and it will change over time, so valid results today might be invalidated within a few months |
| 18:36.18 | tarzeau | greycat: hey since when are you here? |
| 18:36.25 | tarzeau | greycat: i used to see you in #nethack |
| 18:36.26 | dusted | jmoncayo, hi again |
| 18:36.38 | tarzeau | which i died in horrible ways during the last few days |
| 18:36.43 | HTT-Bird | some ACPI BIOSes can give you load numbers, and you should be able to find the battery capacity of your UPS setups |
| 18:36.47 | jmoncayo | dusted: ok i am running the installer now, but i got a message about gcc compilation, the compiler used to complie the kernel doesnt match the current compiler |
| 18:36.49 | smith | o man I got an IO error in the middle of dd |
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| 18:37.01 | smith | dd: reading `/dev/sdb': Input/output error |
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| 18:37.07 | tarzeau | smith: hehe, use sdd? |
| 18:37.14 | tarzeau | smith: does dmesg say the disk is broken? |
| 18:37.20 | dusted | jmoncayo, yes, you have to tell it to use another version, an older one I think, it tells you which compiler version it should be used with right? |
| 18:37.22 | jmoncayo | dusted: the kernel module loader rejects kernel modules built with a diferent version of gcc |
| 18:37.48 | jmoncayo | dusted: yea it says i shuold use gcc 4.1 and i have gcc4.3 |
| 18:38.02 | dusted | jmoncayo, okay, then go install that version and come back here |
| 18:38.23 | jmoncayo | dusted: i have that version installed, gcc-4.1 and gcc-4.3 |
| 18:38.44 | HTT-Bird | pokes hark again |
| 18:38.50 | oliva | HTT-Bird: not my superiors, network people |
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| 18:39.01 | dusted | jmoncayo, okay, then as root, remove the symlink /usr/bin/gcc and make a new one that points to the other compiler ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 /usr/bin/gcc |
| 18:39.17 | oliva | dusted I do know ... i wouldn't do this stupid test |
| 18:39.39 | oliva | where you guys come from? |
| 18:39.42 | deed02392 | could anyone help me get my head around the implications of having 2 operating systems installed on 2 different always connected hard drives? |
| 18:39.56 | HTT-Bird | oliva, tell the network people that it's not a good idea :P |
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| 18:40.02 | jmoncayo | dusted: ok |
| 18:40.13 | deed02392 | i have many-a-time installed two OS's on one hard drive, but i was thinking of having one on one disk, and another on a second partition of a second hard disk |
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| 18:40.26 | oliva | HTT-Bird: I did many times |
| 18:40.27 | dusted | jmoncayo, you can always remove that symlink and make a new one that points to the new version of gcc when you're done compiling the driver |
| 18:41.02 | HTT-Bird | deed02392, the bootloader is on the first hard drive, but other than that and hd(1,something) showing up in your GRUB config, it's just like a two-partition setup |
| 18:41.07 | HTT-Bird | oliva, :/ |
| 18:41.12 | oliva | I'm really frustrated about this situation |
| 18:41.19 | deed02392 | the first har ddrive has vista HTT-Bird, the second will be debian ;/ |
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| 18:41.48 | deed02392 | the last time i had the ubuntu installer overwrite my mbr, it messed everything up and it took me the rest of the day to fix the mbr |
| 18:42.00 | dusted | oliva, tell them that their test is stupid and unreliable |
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| 18:42.18 | HTT-Bird | deed02392, IIRC, NTLDR can chainload... |
| 18:42.22 | smith | tarzeau, http://pastebin.ca/1407618 |
| 18:42.32 | deed02392 | so i'm a little wary of overwriting any mbr this time :/ i was thinking just manually setting the partition with the OS i want to boot with the boot flag HTT-Bird |
| 18:42.33 | smith | there are a few things that look like an error there |
| 18:42.39 | nkuttler | deed02392: doesn't ubuntu use grub? grub can boot anything from the command line |
| 18:42.47 | dusted | they can't use it for anything anyway.. even if you KNOW you can run a system for 2 hours on ups, you're not doing it, you're giving it power back again asap :s |
| 18:42.51 | smith | tarzeau, look next to sdb |
| 18:42.58 | lillis | anybody here got experience with wine? |
| 18:42.59 | stew | deed02392: which bootloader are you going to use? |
| 18:43.01 | deed02392 | nkuttler, it just didn't show up my windoze install, only linux, but that didn't boot either |
| 18:43.04 | lillis | or could point me to a good irc chan for getting help |
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| 18:43.14 | nkuttler | lillis: #wine ? |
| 18:43.16 | HTT-Bird | nkuttler, yes. he wants to use NTLDR as his bootloader though |
| 18:43.22 | lillis | nkuttler: empty |
| 18:43.28 | dusted | lillis, try? |
| 18:43.30 | dusted | ask |
| 18:43.31 | jelly-home | #winehq |
| 18:43.34 | lillis | #wineh1 was better :| |
| 18:43.36 | lillis | hq* :) |
| 18:43.37 | deed02392 | stew: whatever is default with debian, and ntldr i was thinking, then using disk manager software to manually set the partition to boot with the flag? |
| 18:43.40 | nkuttler | HTT-Bird: that's some windows thing? |
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| 18:44.01 | deed02392 | ntldr = nt loader nkuttler, it's the boot loader for windows |
| 18:44.03 | dusted | lillis, ask = if your question is 10 lines of errors, use nopaste |
| 18:44.08 | stew | deed02392: you have to use a bootloader. debian defaults to using grub. grub doesn't care about the flag |
| 18:44.21 | nkuttler | grub can boot windows just fine |
| 18:44.24 | stew | deed02392: so you are going to overwrite the mbr with ntldr? |
| 18:44.33 | deed02392 | i already have vista as we speak |
| 18:44.39 | deed02392 | i was hoping to install debian in a dual boot config |
| 18:44.43 | Supaplex | !debian.exe |
| 18:44.44 | dpkg | debian.exe is a debian-installer loader for win32. It installs Debian as default; it installs grub for NT on C drive, then downloads the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and creates entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/. Also ask me about <ig> <setup.exe> or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader |
| 18:44.48 | lillis | dusted: tryign to run braid demo. Installation works, but when starting it I get three lines of error: |
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| 18:44.51 | lillis | fixme:system:SystemParametersInfoW Unimplemented action: 59 (SPI_SETSTICKYKEYS) |
| 18:44.54 | lillis | fixme:system:SystemParametersInfoW Unimplemented action: 53 (SPI_SETTOGGLEKEYS) |
| 18:44.56 | lillis | fixme:system:SystemParametersInfoW Unimplemented action: 51 (SPI_SETFILTERKEYS) |
| 18:45.01 | lillis | it's supposed to be a platinum game on wine so hence im not sure what's wrong |
| 18:45.02 | Supaplex | lillis: no flooding |
| 18:45.02 | dusted | lillis, don't ever do that, always use nopaste |
| 18:45.02 | HTT-Bird | stew, he has ntldr on his drive already :P (it's Vista's bootloader) |
| 18:45.06 | deed02392 | should i try to manually install grub and then get it working with windows now, and then maybe try to add debian after installing it? |
| 18:45.14 | lillis | you said ten lines.. :( but i apologize. |
| 18:45.17 | smith | Buffer I/O error on device sdb, logical block 46326802 |
| 18:45.28 | HTT-Bird | deed02392, use the debian.exe :) |
| 18:45.35 | dusted | lillis, are you running the same version of wine as it's tested platinum on ? |
| 18:45.38 | nkuttler | deed02392: i'd use grub for everything.. never used vista though, but the manual should cover booting it |
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| 18:45.46 | deed02392 | debian.exe HTT-Bird? |
| 18:45.48 | lillis | dusted: let me check |
| 18:45.49 | dusted | you can find that with wine --vesion |
| 18:46.11 | jelly-home | lillis: those fixme:s might not be important at all, wine spews out lots of messages. The point is, does your app run. |
| 18:46.17 | HTT-Bird | lillis, that's a no-big-deal issue. It's turning off StickyKeys ToggleKeys and FilterKeys (which Wine doesn't implement, so its harmless) |
| 18:46.24 | lillis | jelly-home: it doesnt run |
| 18:46.31 | oliva | sorry about sharing my frustration guys |
| 18:46.32 | nkuttler | smith: io error means some of your hardware is bad |
| 18:46.39 | lillis | dusted: I have tried with the 1.1.18 (which is tested under ubuntu as platinum) and now I have the latest, 1.1.20 |
| 18:46.43 | lillis | same messages and no app start |
| 18:46.52 | hark | HTT-Bird: sorry, was away. ok, so the icon is not showing. It seems to be running otherwise. |
| 18:46.58 | HTT-Bird | hark, yes. |
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| 18:47.10 | smith | nkuttler, it is my HD I am quite sure, I have got this error a few times at the same spot |
| 18:47.13 | dusted | lillis, and that's the.. game executable or the demo installer ? |
| 18:47.16 | HTT-Bird | and without that icon, I can't get at the main nm-applet configuration |
| 18:47.26 | lillis | dusted: game executable |
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| 18:47.42 | harryv | hm, does 5.0 come w/ ruby and python as default? |
| 18:47.43 | nkuttler | smith: there used to be a badblocks module or something.. backup, replace |
| 18:48.04 | smith | aha |
| 18:48.06 | lillis | aaand now it works for no reason whatsoever |
| 18:48.08 | HTT-Bird | smith, yeah. it sounds like your HDD has run out of spare sectors. backup n' replace |
| 18:48.09 | lillis | sorry for troubling you |
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| 18:48.27 | gravity | harryv: If they're not installed then they're trivially installable |
| 18:48.52 | harryv | gravity: yeah, but a friend has this brand new debian system and apparently they're there |
| 18:48.53 | gravity | harryv: But yes, they're definitely distributed as part of the release |
| 18:49.00 | smith | HTT-Bird, backup n' replace meaning replace the disk? |
| 18:49.06 | harryv | ruby didn't use to, so I got a bit confused. |
| 18:49.12 | HTT-Bird | smica, indeeed |
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| 18:49.23 | nkuttler | harryv: just install it |
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| 18:49.43 | hark | HTT-Bird: if you're running gnome-panel, make sure you've got a notification area there. or try something like stalonetray |
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| 18:50.16 | deed02392 | HTT-Bird, i just got that app you suggested, it's saying: http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64 is the uri it'll grab from |
| 18:50.22 | nkuttler | harryv: actually, for ruby i'd recomment to get the source, gems in debian is kind of.. messy |
| 18:50.29 | tarzeau | smith: looks like a bad disk? |
| 18:50.33 | deed02392 | i'm concerned that means it's gonna try and install the amd64 version of debian |
| 18:50.44 | tarzeau | smith: can you listen to it if it makes funny noises? |
| 18:50.47 | HTT-Bird | deed02392, heh, sometimes the debian stuff picks funky mirrors, just bear with it :) |
| 18:50.55 | HTT-Bird | deed02392, what CPU do you have? |
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| 18:51.04 | deed02392 | Q6600 |
| 18:51.07 | max|Z | hello, I'm running debian sid with kernel 2.6.28 and I'm experiencing problems with some applications (quake3) which segfault with "segfault at 1b ip 00000000f7ea8642 sp 00000000ffeb3544 error 4 in libc-2.9.so[f7e38000+151000]" or "segfault at 264 ip [..] error 4 in libpthread-2.9.so". does someone know if this is an confirmed issue? |
| 18:51.08 | deed02392 | i want the i386 one though :/ |
| 18:51.12 | smith | tarzeau, not really too many funny noises here to tell |
| 18:51.17 | HTT-Bird | deed02392, amd64 will run on your box NP |
| 18:51.23 | jmoncayo | dusted: unable to make kernel module :( |
| 18:51.23 | gravity | s/in debian// |
| 18:51.31 | HTT-Bird | Core2's are amd64 |
| 18:51.33 | gravity | gems is just messy by design |
| 18:51.34 | deed02392 | yeaah i know HTT-Bird, but i already looked into it and wanted the i386 ver |
| 18:51.52 | dusted | jmoncayo, there's a logfile from the installer somewhere |
| 18:51.57 | HTT-Bird | deed02392, why is that? your machine will never hit/break 4GB? |
| 18:52.02 | nkuttler | gravity: not sure about that. it's as messy as using cpan in debian |
| 18:52.05 | deed02392 | also there was no documentation on that site i got debian.exe from, what are the implications of clicking the 'install' button at this point, is it gonna rewrite my mbr and restart my pc? |
| 18:52.10 | deed02392 | nah never HTT-Bird |
| 18:52.31 | HTT-Bird | keep in mind that all the desktop stuff, even Flash and Java, works in 64bit |
| 18:52.33 | deed02392 | not worth it |
| 18:52.34 | deed02392 | plus i already downloaded and burned an iso of debian :| |
| 18:53.11 | deed02392 | does the debian installer have built in partitioning shizzle? |
| 18:53.29 | gravity | nkuttler: dh-make-perl avoids most messy parts of cpan |
| 18:53.36 | deed02392 | i can resize my ntfs vista partition and install debian at the end of the disk and rewrite the mbr? |
| 18:53.46 | deed02392 | last time i did this ubuntu installer just messed the mbr up TOTALLY, hence my fear of doing this again |
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| 18:54.09 | dusted | deed02392, you can always use a live cd like knoppix to reinstall the bootloader |
| 18:54.10 | nkuttler | gravity: true. most. |
| 18:54.21 | gravity | nkuttler: gems, on the other hand, has real issues. |
| 18:54.25 | HTT-Bird | hark: ty. that fixed it |
| 18:54.40 | deed02392 | alright |
| 18:54.41 | deed02392 | i'll risk it |
| 18:54.44 | deed02392 | bye all |
| 18:55.24 | hark | HTT-Bird: np |
| 18:56.06 | HTT-Bird | btw, I'm using Firestarter for firewall configuration (the fw-builder GUI = confusing as snot...), how do I tell it that I have two internet-facing interfaces? |
| 18:56.43 | lip_skip_vt | I updated to sid, so I substituted my sources.list from lenny to sid, when I cat /etc/debian_version it says squeeze/sid, why? I thougth squeeze is actually testing... |
| 18:56.49 | dusted | anyone tried connecting two mice/keyboards/monitors so you pratically have two computers in one box? |
| 18:57.04 | dusted | I'm wondering how to tell X which USB mouse is for which screen :/ |
| 18:57.12 | valdyn | lip_skip_vt: testing and sid usually have the same /etc/debian_version |
| 18:57.45 | lip_skip_vt | valdyn, ok its that simple, thx |
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| 18:58.27 | valdyn | dusted: you dont get seperate X sessoions like that |
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| 18:59.11 | dusted | valdyn, not possible to assign a pointer device to a specific screen? |
| 18:59.23 | valdyn | dusted: one console = one user, thats pretty much a linux limit, you could only do that via remote X run locally, and remote X obviously cant fetch the hardware |
| 18:59.37 | valdyn | dusted: or fetch the mouse |
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| 18:59.58 | rozzin | Oh boy. |
| 19:00.08 | valdyn | dusted: read about that multi pointer X extension, i think its new |
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| 19:01.12 | valdyn | dusted: "mpx" |
| 19:01.39 | jmoncayo | dusted: it is pretty long |
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| 19:01.47 | dusted | hmm, might be the way to go, won't do that however, since it's not doing what i want |
| 19:01.47 | jmoncayo | dusted: how should i send it to you? |
| 19:01.56 | dusted | jmoncayo, too big to nopaste? |
| 19:02.12 | valdyn | dusted: you seem to want X sessions on one box |
| 19:02.17 | valdyn | dusted: you seem to want 2 X sessions on one box? |
| 19:02.28 | jmoncayo | dusted: i will reboot then, hold on a sec please |
| 19:02.42 | valdyn | dusted: 2 simultanously accessible X sessions on one box... |
| 19:02.49 | rozzin | HTT-Bird: the filesystem-level journal does not necessarily guarantee that recovery is possible after a power-loss. |
| 19:03.13 | dusted | valdyn, yes, that part works allready, I have 2 monitors with a screen on each, they share mouse/kb |
| 19:03.24 | valdyn | dusted: they share the user too |
| 19:03.27 | dusted | yes |
| 19:03.32 | dusted | I want them to |
| 19:03.34 | valdyn | dusted: so thats not 2 sessions |
| 19:03.38 | valdyn | dusted: ok, i see |
| 19:03.49 | valdyn | dusted: mpx is what you want |
| 19:03.57 | dusted | Oh, okay, but I can't for instance, drag a running program from one screen to the other |
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| 19:04.31 | dusted | I thought that was because there were two Xorg's running |
| 19:04.37 | rozzin | HTT-Bird: as far as I understand it, there are cases when the (PC) *hardware* just isn't up to getting HDD writes completed when power is cut. |
| 19:04.42 | valdyn | dusted: right, you would need Xinerama or TwinView on top of what you are using now to drag windows |
| 19:04.57 | dusted | yep |
| 19:05.03 | dusted | don't want that though |
| 19:05.11 | valdyn | dusted: well, actually Xinerama is on top, twinview is beneath |
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| 19:05.24 | valdyn | dusted: now you need mpx with a way to limit accessible area for each pointer |
| 19:05.32 | dusted | reason is, I want to be able to play 3D games in fullscreen while being on IRC on the second screen |
| 19:05.43 | rozzin | oliva: ... and, even if your *filesystem* per se is consistent after you cut power, |
| 19:05.49 | dusted | but don't want to tap out, or stop running in the game just to write on irc |
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| 19:06.17 | dusted | I'll give up on it, having to compile x and break the dist is not worth it :) |
| 19:06.31 | dusted | and possible hack on mpx too |
| 19:06.39 | valdyn | dusted: yes |
| 19:06.39 | rozzin | oliva: that doesn't necessarily mean that all the data in your *files* will be consistent, |
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| 19:07.23 | valdyn | dusted: i see, mpx planned for next X release onyl |
| 19:07.55 | jmoncayo | dusted: http://pastebin.ca/1407655 |
| 19:08.10 | rozzin | oliva: so you'd better have a fresh backup of your data ready anyway if you're going to cut power, regardless of which filesystem your using (and regardless of whether the metadata is journalled or not); |
| 19:08.33 | xingu | dusted: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_multiseat |
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| 19:09.08 | rozzin | oliva: if you're talking about PC hardware, you may want to have a spare (set of?) HDDs available also, in case your active HDDs sustain damage as a result of the power-cutoff. |
| 19:09.08 | dusted | xingu, that looks like what I need |
| 19:09.52 | xingu | dusted: also http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/Multiseat |
| 19:10.05 | dusted | thanks :) I'll try this |
| 19:10.10 | valdyn | oh -sharevts, i didnt know that exists |
| 19:10.12 | valdyn | and works |
| 19:10.30 | dusted | jmoncayo, hmm |
| 19:10.31 | rozzin | oliva: Your files, and your HDDs, are less likely to sustain damage at power-cutoff if your system is sitting *idle*, |
| 19:10.52 | greycat | It will also prolong UPS battery life. |
| 19:10.54 | xingu | valdyn: I've been using it for other purposes for a while; turns out it's easier to use this to manage notebook + tv-out (going to a real, analogue, PAL TV) |
| 19:11.03 | greycat | A busy system will draw more power. |
| 19:11.13 | xingu | valdyn: serverlayouts are a very cool little feature. |
| 19:11.22 | jmoncayo | dusted: ? |
| 19:11.23 | rozzin | greycat: yes, that's what I was about to say :) |
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| 19:11.46 | maligor | so the hardware will last longer provided you never actually use it! |
| 19:11.51 | maligor | shocking revelation |
| 19:12.00 | rozzin | oliva: If the whole point of this exercise is to find out how long a UPS will power your machine under normal use, |
| 19:12.03 | pupinn3 | ciao a tutti |
| 19:12.04 | valdyn | xingu: maybe youre talking about something else, the login managers seem to be doing the multiseat thing |
| 19:12.11 | dusted | jmoncayo, seeing theres a guy with the same problem here http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/410453-unable-build-nvidia-kernel-module.html |
| 19:12.17 | rozzin | oliva: then you need to find out power-draw under *actual use* conditions. |
| 19:12.23 | amphi | ideally, it should be entombed in cruft-proof glass |
| 19:12.43 | xingu | valdyn: the way you tie it all together is with a serverlayout |
| 19:12.55 | valdyn | xingu: ok, ive done that part |
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| 19:13.09 | rozzin | oliva: My recommendation is to buy a Kill-A-Watt meter, put it between your machine and the power-supply, |
| 19:13.15 | xingu | valdyn: it's a label you can assign to a grouping of screen/input devices etc; with multiseat, you create one label per seat. |
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| 19:13.23 | rozzin | oliva: and just measure your power-consumption. |
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| 19:13.44 | xingu | valdyn: then -sharevts and -layout from the command line and ta-da. |
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| 19:13.56 | HTT-Bird | oliva, indeed, a kill-a-watt would be a better solution than the estimate ACPI supplies :) (both could be done with the machine under load) |
| 19:14.03 | JW | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:14.10 | greycat | there's a runlevel command. |
| 19:14.12 | rozzin | Then you can either read the specified cacity off the side of the UPS and do the math, |
| 19:14.20 | jmoncayo | dusted: maybe the linux source |
| 19:14.20 | greycat | /sbin/runlevel |
| 19:14.52 | dusted | jmoncayo, I don't really know, you used the newest drivers? |
| 19:15.05 | jmoncayo | dusted: i think so |
| 19:15.29 | JW | greycat: thanks |
| 19:15.37 | rozzin | oliva: or you can figure out the actual capacity by running the UPS down using a known, constant load (e.g.: a set of bright incandescent ligthbulbs) and then do the math. |
| 19:16.08 | JyZyXEL | haha omg the iceweasel flash support that is in the debian live cd is a joke |
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| 19:16.25 | greycat | Flash is a joke. A cruel one. |
| 19:16.28 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 19:16.33 | HTT-Bird | JyZyXEL, that's not iceweasel, that's swfdec, and yes, Flash is a mess :p |
| 19:16.39 | dusted | jmoncayo, what version? |
| 19:16.54 | dusted | what is the installer filename? |
| 19:16.58 | JyZyXEL | i wish adobe would just die |
| 19:17.21 | rozzin | I've been much happier with swfdec than with Adobe's flash-plugin, on my laptop. |
| 19:17.23 | amphi | JyZyXEL: why? just don't use their products, if you don't like 'em |
| 19:17.25 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: make a lot of money, buy, kill |
| 19:17.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wish MS would just die before that |
| 19:17.36 | dusted | because in the log it looks as something around 100, but the one I have installed is 180 |
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| 19:18.26 | gusto | JyZyXEL: there is a backport of flash from macromedia in debian |
| 19:18.41 | nkuttler | there's even gnash |
| 19:18.45 | gusto | JyZyXEL: I installed it today on my new installation, it works |
| 19:18.47 | rozzin | Adobe's flash plugin basically prevents my CPU from ever idling, and drains my battery tout de suite. |
| 19:18.49 | abrotman | i'd imagine the livecd is using gnash |
| 19:18.57 | JyZyXEL | man i've installed so much stuff on this live |
| 19:18.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | nkuttler, which sounds like something you do with your teeth |
| 19:19.29 | greycat | CutMeOwnThroat: any time someone makes you use Flash, yup. |
| 19:19.38 | nkuttler | CutMeOwnThroat: if you can't build a better product than them... stop whining and live with it |
| 19:19.42 | JyZyXEL | now i bet there is an easy way to install lenny when in live mode? ;) |
| 19:19.50 | dusted | jmoncayo, the filename of the driver installer you used? |
| 19:19.54 | rozzin | It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't *automatically run* whatever flash-apps were in the page. |
| 19:20.15 | abrotman | !tell JyZyXEL about debootstrap |
| 19:20.20 | jmoncayo | dusted: i think there is a newer one |
| 19:20.20 | HTT-Bird | rozzin, I tried swfdec, and alas, it chokes on some of the Flash apps I bump into on a regular basic |
| 19:20.25 | HTT-Bird | *basis |
| 19:20.25 | dusted | rozzin, flashblock for firefox is a good tool |
| 19:20.26 | jmoncayo | dusted: i will try with that one |
| 19:20.34 | dusted | jmoncayo, what one did you use? |
| 19:20.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | nkuttler, who was whining? |
| 19:20.51 | dusted | download from here http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us okay ? :) |
| 19:20.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't need to be a clockmaker to recognize a broken watch |
| 19:20.55 | jmoncayo | NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.11-pkg2.run |
| 19:20.58 | dusted | ancient |
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| 19:21.16 | jmoncayo | downloading NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-180.51-pkg2.run |
| 19:21.19 | abrotman | you shouldn't be installing the nvidia drivers with the .run |
| 19:21.20 | nkuttler | goes to youtube |
| 19:21.25 | dusted | jmoncayo, sounds much better ;) |
| 19:21.29 | jmoncayo | dusted: =] |
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| 19:21.43 | jelly-home | !nvidia |
| 19:21.43 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 19:21.45 | rozzin | I like gnash, but it runs amok too often.... |
| 19:21.51 | abrotman | let me rephrase .. installing the nvidia driveres with the .run is a *really* bad idea |
| 19:21.59 | dusted | abrotman, why? |
| 19:22.13 | jelly-home | abrotman: eh, what's a few broken packages between friends |
| 19:22.32 | abrotman | dusted: it's completely outside the package management system and doesn't respect it .. overwrites files, breaks stuff |
| 19:22.32 | greycat | It's just X, nothing important. |
| 19:22.41 | jelly-home | s/between/among/ |
| 19:22.49 | dusted | abrotman, however it's fairly good at cleaning up after itself between updates, so it dosen't really matter |
| 19:22.50 | jelly-home | fails at English? |
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| 19:23.03 | dusted | you just have to install the driver each time any X stuff is updated :P |
| 19:23.09 | valdyn | if fearily means not at all |
| 19:23.13 | abrotman | dusted: it does matter .. you don't know what you're doing to his box |
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| 19:23.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dusted, because it doesn't provide the same dependencies, and you have a real hard time to have it installed and not in conflict (i.e. providing the same files) as a package |
| 19:23.22 | abrotman | !why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 19:23.22 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia> <nvidia compiler fix>. |
| 19:23.28 | valdyn | nvidia drivers leave alot of crap behind on "upgrades" |
| 19:24.12 | dusted | haven't had a single problem with it the 5 years i've used official nvidia drivers |
| 19:24.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | bread today isn't so bad, though |
| 19:24.30 | graytron | anyone asked nvidia to release their source under gpl |
| 19:24.40 | dusted | graytron, been done |
| 19:24.53 | dusted | they say they can't due to licensed 3rd party IP |
| 19:25.13 | HTT-Bird | I think there's some sort of funky legal issue that prevents them from opening up their stuff (yeah, licensed 3rd party IP :( ) |
| 19:25.16 | abrotman | then buy from companies that actually care |
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| 19:25.40 | dusted | abrotman, only if you don't care ;) |
| 19:25.47 | stew | they released one driver under an MIT license! |
| 19:26.05 | abrotman | dusted: that doesn't make sense .. but i guess i should expect as much from you |
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| 19:26.48 | dusted | abrotman, best performing graphics accelerator that work on linux? |
| 19:27.03 | foetus | I never had problems with nvidia-installers..they are compiled with makeself. I find them good, however. They made great Software for Linux Systems. But i don't wonna break a frame for nvidia. They are far from good, i would say. |
| 19:27.47 | dusted | not like ATi's opensource driver is much of an option if you wan't do do anything more intensive than watching animated gif's |
| 19:27.53 | greycat | dusted: it depends entirely on which precise chipset you have |
| 19:28.04 | foetus | haha.. |
| 19:28.16 | HTT-Bird | dusted, I've seen the nVidia stuff work very well on both Windows and Linux. ATi is OK I think if you can get a card fully supported by radeon (which is harder and harder to do nowadays as GPGPU-based cards drive the older ones out of the market) |
| 19:28.33 | dusted | sure, I care about freedom, but not to the point where I'll just stop playing computergames.. |
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| 19:29.16 | stew | dusted: i still get 60 fps in angband using intel. perhaps you are just choosing the wrong games |
| 19:29.36 | dusted | stew, :D |
| 19:29.58 | abrotman | dusted: i don't care what the performance is if i have to jump through hoops to make it work .. "Yay my camaro goes 0-60 in 5 seconds, but the engine fails to start 50% of the time" |
| 19:30.01 | valdyn | unfortunately nvidia drivers are the only ones with actual working video decoding |
| 19:30.21 | dusted | abrotman, well, then we can agree that it comes down to priorities? |
| 19:30.31 | foetus | The Ati X-Drivers are very good for old Ati-Cards. I use them on my own System. But for these new Highspeed-Monsters from Ati i never would use X Drivers. |
| 19:30.37 | jmoncayo | jelly-home: i will try with this tut before installing the nvidia driver |
| 19:30.56 | HTT-Bird | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127226 <-- that's about the best you'll do for an ATi w/ radeon drivers |
| 19:31.07 | abrotman | dusted: yeah... i prefer stuff that works |
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| 19:31.21 | dusted | also, you're saying the breakage rate for nvidia is 50%, so I guess since I've still not had a single problem with it, that I can expect lots of problems in the future :D |
| 19:31.22 | HTT-Bird | the X1ks are of the same generation as the nVidia GF7ks |
| 19:31.38 | dusted | abrotman, it works, there's nothing wrong with it, take you zealotry to #fsf? :) |
| 19:31.52 | dusted | okay.. maybe there's lots of things wrong with it, but it still works |
| 19:31.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | time machine.... just go forward until all the nvidia stuff has been perfectly reverse-engineered and you're good |
| 19:32.05 | abrotman | dusted: if it works so well, why have you been giving him instructions for so long? |
| 19:32.16 | foetus | :) |
| 19:32.27 | dusted | abrotman, because he used a older version of the driver, and because he had to actually compile it |
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| 19:32.44 | abrotman | and what's your point? it's still a pain in the neck |
| 19:32.51 | dusted | abrotman, mention any hardware driver that does not need to be the correct version, and use the same version compiler, and use the kernel headers |
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| 19:33.08 | abrotman | the ones in the kernel? |
| 19:33.14 | dusted | abrotman, they also need it |
| 19:33.35 | abrotman | oh i misread |
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| 19:33.47 | abrotman | sure .. but they don't make your life hell to make it work |
| 19:33.49 | jmoncayo | =] |
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| 19:34.02 | dusted | the parts i've been helping him with so far is generic for any driver, nothing nvidia specific here |
| 19:34.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | only it can be pre-packaged if it's free |
| 19:34.33 | dusted | but ofcause, I agree, official GPL nvidia drivers directly in the kernel tree would be awesome :) |
| 19:34.48 | jelly-home | abrotman: have you tried the nvidia installer recently? It actually does a fairly decent job. Too bad it keeps its own divert functionality |
| 19:34.52 | simNIX | any hardware vendor thats willing to give enouf info can be easely supported ... |
| 19:35.08 | abrotman | jelly-home: exactly |
| 19:35.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's enouf gotta do with it |
| 19:35.17 | valdyn | simNIX: and youre writing the opengl stack? |
| 19:35.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, no, enouf obviously... as he gets the info :) |
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| 19:36.06 | valdyn | ! |
| 19:36.09 | foetus | dusted: I would prefer this, for sure. But better Opendrivers for Xorg. |
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| 19:36.34 | jmoncayo | so, is it better the free driver or the nvidia driver? |
| 19:36.45 | abrotman | jmoncayo: what video card do you have? |
| 19:36.47 | HTT-Bird | foetus, if you feel that strongly about the matter :) go help the noveau folks out, they could use it :) |
| 19:36.51 | dusted | better depends what way you mean |
| 19:36.51 | HTT-Bird | *nouveau |
| 19:36.58 | jmoncayo | abrotman: nvidia geforce go 6150 |
| 19:37.00 | HTT-Bird | jmoncayo, if you need 3d, you need the blob |
| 19:37.07 | dusted | the nvidia drivers are more compatible and outperforms the free ones, as of now |
| 19:37.10 | stew | free is always better! |
| 19:37.13 | bstock | ok using grep i want to specify a string to be at the end of the text i'm looking for.. know how to do that? grep "\.txt" find something with .txt, but it also picks up .txt.tmp or similar |
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| 19:37.16 | abrotman | jmoncayo: isn't that legacy ? |
| 19:37.25 | HTT-Bird | nouveau should be treated as a non-obfuscated nv atm |
| 19:37.32 | HTT-Bird | bstock, $ |
| 19:37.38 | dusted | stew, depends on your goals? |
| 19:37.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | bstock, "\.txt$" |
| 19:37.51 | bstock | ah ok cool |
| 19:37.55 | bstock | what's the char to specify beginning |
| 19:38.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^ |
| 19:38.03 | jmoncayo | abrotman: i dont know, i guess |
| 19:38.04 | bstock | cool thx |
| 19:38.13 | jmoncayo | i just want to run a game |
| 19:38.19 | stew | jmoncayo: what game? |
| 19:38.27 | HTT-Bird | jmoncayo, you need the nvidia binary drivers then |
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| 19:38.29 | jmoncayo | uT |
| 19:38.35 | HTT-Bird | stew, Urban Terror |
| 19:38.46 | abrotman | so he needed the newest drivers why? |
| 19:38.49 | amphi | dusted: 'more compatible'? |
| 19:38.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | bstock, man 7 regexp |
| 19:39.01 | foetus | HTT-Bird: No, i don't wonna make make some performance..:) |
| 19:39.06 | jmoncayo | abrotman: i think because kernel problems |
| 19:39.10 | dusted | amphi, as in "Just works(TM)" |
| 19:39.23 | bstock | CutMeOwnThroat: nice, i'll try to remember that |
| 19:39.30 | dusted | it actually run games, and does so on par with windows versions |
| 19:39.45 | amphi | dusted: as we see :) |
| 19:39.53 | HTT-Bird | foetus, there's mmiotrace and renouveau |
| 19:39.55 | dusted | you're not seing many ETQW or Q4 players with free drivers |
| 19:40.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | bstock, and man perlre for perl regexps |
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| 19:40.10 | amphi | I have no idea what those are |
| 19:40.15 | dusted | because those are NON free games |
| 19:40.20 | dusted | so is UrbanTerror |
| 19:40.33 | abrotman | right .. so peopel that don't buy crap hardware with non-free drivers don't play non-free games .. surprise |
| 19:40.40 | amphi | it all sounds very tiresome |
| 19:40.54 | dusted | abrotman, and your definition on crap hardware being? |
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| 19:41.05 | amphi | blobbery! |
| 19:41.06 | abrotman | i think i just said |
| 19:41.15 | dusted | Crap hardware = non-free drivers ? |
| 19:41.20 | stew | yes! |
| 19:41.26 | nkuttler | absolutely |
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| 19:41.27 | abrotman | dusted: thank you for agreeing! |
| 19:41.29 | amphi | he gets it! |
| 19:41.35 | simNIX | no crap verders that dont open there specs = crap drivers ... |
| 19:41.36 | Polarina | Yes. |
| 19:41.37 | dusted | abrotman, what CPU are you using? |
| 19:41.40 | simNIX | *vendors |
| 19:41.43 | unomi | ah thats not exactly fair |
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| 19:42.04 | abrotman | dusted: in which machine? |
| 19:42.08 | dusted | pick any |
| 19:42.13 | abrotman | 486 |
| 19:42.18 | amphi | heh |
| 19:42.24 | HTT-Bird | heck, even people with FS games such as Nexuiz or Peragro Tempus face driver issues :p |
| 19:42.31 | dusted | abrotman, nice, thanks |
| 19:42.31 | abrotman | oh yeah .. CirrusLogic baby! |
| 19:42.35 | unomi | intel fx has a high enough profit margin that they can sponsor some FOSS love |
| 19:42.42 | HTT-Bird | and people with free drivers face graphics issues too |
| 19:42.46 | foetus | 486 IS GRAP! |
| 19:42.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | grape? |
| 19:43.02 | dusted | abrotman, so, which cpu in your primary machine? |
| 19:43.04 | HTT-Bird | NEITHER Mesa 7.2 NOR Mesa 7.4 works over here on my GMA X3100 |
| 19:43.13 | HTT-Bird | the last version that works is 7.0.x :P |
| 19:43.26 | abrotman | 486 |
| 19:43.42 | jmoncayo | lol |
| 19:43.46 | maligor | I'm sure larrabee will have fantastic drivers since it'll support shaders in x86 |
| 19:43.49 | dusted | okay, good :) jmoncayo listen to abrotman if you think having a 486 makes him entitled to say anything about 3D games |
| 19:43.59 | stew | how do I tell which machine is my primary machine? |
| 19:44.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 19:44.13 | dusted | 3D accelerated games, not duke nukem (uhh, sourceport on icculus, don't miss) |
| 19:44.18 | nkuttler | stew: hm, you typing on the keyboard attached to it? |
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| 19:44.29 | nkuttler | long live X forwarding |
| 19:44.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, I guess the one you personally spend most time with? |
| 19:44.35 | mmind | if you measure by hours of use, i think my phone is my primary machine |
| 19:44.51 | jmoncayo | hahahaha |
| 19:45.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmind, point |
| 19:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmind, perhaps also depends on the type of activity you spend those hours of use? |
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| 19:46.45 | HTT-Bird | I'm using firestarter to manage my iptables FW on this box. does it handle transitions between interfaces automatically, or do i need to do something to its configuration? |
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| 19:49.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | silence descends |
| 19:51.06 | nkuttler | it's kind of pointless to discuss it |
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| 19:51.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | most things are |
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| 19:51.47 | superdump | is this a good place to ask about kernel building issues? |
| 19:51.54 | superdump | using make-kpkg |
| 19:51.57 | nkuttler | superdump: debian kernel? |
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| 19:52.24 | superdump | yes, i'd like to compile my own 2.6.29* kernel |
| 19:52.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can but try |
| 19:52.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, the 1st question s *why* :) |
| 19:52.45 | superdump | the initrd image isn't being generated |
| 19:52.48 | superdump | hardware reasons |
| 19:52.56 | superdump | my tv card needs a newer kernel |
| 19:53.03 | nkuttler | superdump: which debian distro |
| 19:53.22 | superdump | lenny upgraded to testing |
| 19:53.25 | superdump | so, testing |
| 19:53.32 | superdump | 2.6.26 isn't recent enough |
| 19:53.58 | foetus | abrotman: are you making basic things, programming and debugging with your 486 ? |
| 19:54.12 | nkuttler | superdump: i think testing has the new kp by now, which has huge updates to kp, see /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/NEWS.Debian.gz iirc |
| 19:54.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | superdump, 2.6.29 is in unstable |
| 19:54.56 | superdump | nkuttler: thanks |
| 19:55.01 | superdump | CutMeOwnThroat: noted |
| 19:55.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:55.04 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: linux-image-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 squeeze: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 sid: 2.6.29+18 |
| 19:55.07 | nkuttler | foetus: you can control a gazillion boxes with one thin client |
| 19:55.09 | abrotman | foetus: i'm kidding .. i have a functional 486, but my primary home machine is a p4 |
| 19:55.15 | stew | superdump: did you pass --inintrd to make-kpkg? |
| 19:55.20 | superdump | yes |
| 19:55.26 | foetus | I use the 2.6.29-3 on my working machine now, works fine.. |
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| 19:55.33 | stew | superdump: what version of kernel-package are you using? |
| 19:55.47 | foetus | no problems with it till now |
| 19:56.44 | superdump | stew: i can't tell you right now |
| 19:56.58 | stew | ooooh, is it a secret? |
| 19:56.59 | superdump | i should probably come back when the machine is back online :) |
| 19:57.03 | superdump | hehe, no |
| 19:57.03 | Manoj | superdump: what was the problem you faced witht he kernel image? |
| 19:57.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | he can just install the one from unstable |
| 19:57.24 | stew | Manoj: initrd not being generated even when built with --initrd |
| 19:57.37 | superdump | i also had another issue |
| 19:57.45 | Manoj | stew: well, initrd is now only generated if you have a script in /etc/kernel |
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| 19:58.01 | superdump | off the top of my head "cannot open root dev 'sda1' or unknown-(0,0)" |
| 19:58.16 | Manoj | all --inird does is tell things the scripts in /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ that they need to know |
| 19:58.23 | superdump | i'd compiled from the 2.6.29.2 source off kernel.org |
| 19:58.24 | JyZyXEL | man why is rsync only transfering with 17MB/s speed |
| 19:58.31 | JyZyXEL | its so slooow |
| 19:58.36 | superdump | Manoj: hmm, why do you have to put a script somewhere? |
| 19:58.37 | foetus | I have compiled 2.6.29 by myself, statically, no modules. I would prefer this.. |
| 19:58.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | JyZyXEL, karma |
| 19:58.53 | JyZyXEL | shouldn't the HD's be like close to 40MB/s |
| 19:59.08 | JyZyXEL | maybe i have some hdparm setting wrong? |
| 19:59.17 | Manoj | stew: so, /usr/share/kernel-package/examples/etc/kernel/post{inst,rm}.d/initramfs or something like those, should be in /etc/kernerl/post{inst,rm}.d/ |
| 19:59.23 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: you're rsyncing to/from the same HDD? |
| 19:59.48 | Manoj | superdump: the /etc/kernel/ directory has scripts that contain what you want to be done to the kernel image after it is installed |
| 19:59.52 | superdump | Manoj: i guess this is documented in the kernel-package documentation |
| 19:59.53 | stew | Manoj: yeah, i see it in mine (i don't build kernels though) |
| 19:59.58 | JyZyXEL | abrotman no different HDD's |
| 20:00.22 | Manoj | superdump: in this case, you seem to want to have the initramfs generated. You could use yaird or initramfs-tools to do so, or something else, perhaps |
| 20:00.24 | JyZyXEL | both are new SATA drives |
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| 20:01.06 | Manoj | superdump: I think it is documented, though there might be places it could be made clearer. documentation patches will be gladly accepted |
| 20:01.18 | greycat | JyZyXEL: lots of little files? |
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| 20:01.31 | Manoj | foetus: me to. no modules, no initramfs |
| 20:01.33 | JyZyXEL | greycat 700MB files |
| 20:01.54 | JyZyXEL | its doing like 14 - 17 MB/s |
| 20:02.18 | foetus | but i would not prefer the 2.6.29 for abrotmans 486'th:) |
| 20:02.35 | JyZyXEL | maybe its some wrong transfer mode? |
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| 20:02.54 | superdump | Manoj: ok, thanks |
| 20:02.55 | bollaburn | hi |
| 20:02.56 | unomi | so I am trying to build a program from source and getting this : /usr/include/ffmpeg/libavcodec/avcodec.h:30:30: error: libavutil/avutil.h: No such file or directory |
| 20:02.59 | superdump | i'll see how it goes |
| 20:03.13 | bollaburn | need a way to do multiple cd burn on many client |
| 20:03.13 | jmoncayo | any teamspeak client for debian? |
| 20:03.15 | greycat | !find libavutil/avutil.h |
| 20:03.17 | unomi | but libavutil-dev should be there |
| 20:03.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libavutil/avutil.h' (1): (/usr/include/libavutil/avutil.h) in libdevel/libavutil-dev. |
| 20:04.24 | greycat | double check that the package is installed cleanly ('ii' in dpkg -l status field) and that the file exists. |
| 20:04.24 | bollaburn | any idea ? |
| 20:04.25 | dusted | jmoncayo, teamspeak yes, however it's using oss sound so you need to use a wrapper script called aoss to run it |
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| 20:04.31 | Akuw | hi |
| 20:04.39 | dusted | or else you wont have volume contol, or sound in your game |
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| 20:04.41 | Manoj | superdump: the rationaefor this change was that how one calls the initramfs genrator depends on a) kernel versions -- initrd or initramfs depends on kernel support, b) what package you use initramfs-tools or yaord, c) version of the iitramfs ools -- initramfs-tools calling signature changed with the version used, and d) options people wanted totack on to their initrd generators |
| 20:04.44 | unomi | libavutil-dev is installed |
| 20:04.49 | Akuw | is there any software to news publishing in web? using php |
| 20:05.06 | Manoj | superdump: there were so many variations, it was getting harder to do the right things and letpeople have the variations they wanted |
| 20:05.13 | superdump | i see |
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| 20:05.24 | greycat | unomi: ls -l /usr/include/libavutil/avutil.h |
| 20:05.45 | unomi | no such file |
| 20:05.50 | greycat | reinstall the package. |
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| 20:05.57 | foetus | i must relogin..something with the keyboard buffer.. |
| 20:06.02 | greycat | apt-get --reinstall install libavutil-dev |
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| 20:06.29 | bollaburn | i 'm looking for a way to do multiple burn ? wodim give some problem on getting 2 cdrw same time ... any idea ? |
| 20:06.34 | foetus | hope, it works now. |
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| 20:06.49 | unomi | strange |
| 20:06.55 | bollaburn | i need do 300 cd in 2 day for a diy festival |
| 20:07.01 | unomi | done, but ls still says no |
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| 20:07.43 | greycat | bollaburn: get another computer with its own CD-burner |
| 20:07.56 | superdump | oh, Manoj, does make-kpkg also accept the make -j command? it doesn't seem to according to the man page, but i would like to make better use of my cpu when compiling the kernel :) |
| 20:07.57 | Manoj | superdump: the sme issues were present involving boot loaders -- lilo? grub? grub2? elilo? vmelilo? silo? Also, the symlinks: how many? 2? or more? kernel-package could offer one solution, which was pretty hardcoded and inflexible, leading to a lot of bug reports. Now, with the user providing the scripts (with examples in /usr/share/kernel/package/examples), there is no hardcoded policy imposed by k-p |
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| 20:08.19 | Manoj | superdump: TRy looking for CONCURRENCY_LEVEL in the man page |
| 20:08.29 | superdump | thanks |
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| 20:09.07 | sooti | hi |
| 20:09.31 | unomi | /usr/include/ffmpeg/libavutil/avutil.h |
| 20:09.43 | unomi | its hiding in there? |
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| 20:10.06 | starbuck33 | hi, how can i find out what wifi card (mini-pci) is in my asus hardware router? it runs openwrt... |
| 20:10.08 | sooti | iam a new user trying to migrate from fedora ...For amd 32 bit processor which cd iso should i download |
| 20:10.18 | HTT-Bird | sooti, i386 :) |
| 20:10.19 | greycat | sooti: i386 |
| 20:10.20 | bollaburn | net install |
| 20:10.24 | maf54 | hey, im having the problem as this guy: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/aic7xxx/1998-October/001913.html |
| 20:10.29 | maf54 | anyone have a solution? |
| 20:10.31 | unomi | greycat: should I just ln -s it or is there something else I should sort out? |
| 20:10.35 | sooti | thanks |
| 20:10.37 | greycat | october 1998? |
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| 20:10.47 | maf54 | yeah, i no rite |
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| 20:10.56 | maf54 | same problem though |
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| 20:11.03 | stew | Manoj: so his problem could just be that he needs initramfs-tools installed. should linux-initramfs-tool perhaps be a Recommends: and not a Suggests: ? |
| 20:11.04 | maf54 | with lenny, lol |
| 20:11.14 | bollaburn | sooti: if u have direct access to interet (router) u can install from internet all the stuff by a netinstall |
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| 20:12.03 | bollaburn | can u suggest me where to ask about multiple burn of cd ? |
| 20:12.13 | jmoncayo | hey guys, whats better to use, apt-get or aptitude? |
| 20:12.23 | greycat | unomi: if you're building with a recent-ish ./configure script, I think the correct answer is "CFLAGS=-I/usr/include/ffmpeg CXXFLAGS=-I/usr/include/ffmpeg ./configure ..." |
| 20:12.38 | unomi | its using cmake |
| 20:12.44 | stew | jmoncayo: aptitude is in general smarter |
| 20:12.46 | greycat | The CXXFLAGS part being for c++ |
| 20:12.47 | abrotman | jmoncayo: in most cases ... aptitude |
| 20:12.57 | greycat | I don't know what a cmake is. |
| 20:12.59 | jmoncayo | ok thanks |
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| 20:13.04 | unomi | alright |
| 20:13.09 | unomi | thanks :) |
| 20:13.12 | HTT-Bird | CMake is one of those cross-platform Make replacements |
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| 20:13.16 | HTT-Bird | that's all I know |
| 20:13.18 | maf54 | greycat: any idea? |
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| 20:13.44 | greycat | !any idea |
| 20:13.44 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of sex-crazed ostriches. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 20:14.00 | bollaburn | any way on debian do multiple burn\ |
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| 20:14.11 | abrotman | bollaburn: how many utilities did you try? |
| 20:14.20 | bollaburn | wodim |
| 20:14.23 | stew | cmake is what you switch to after switching to scons and before you switch back to autotools |
| 20:14.30 | abrotman | you might want to look at brasero or k3b |
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| 20:14.53 | bollaburn | abrotman: no x |
| 20:15.07 | abrotman | bollaburn: wodim in a script! |
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| 20:15.27 | bollaburn | i need do 300 cd in a few days on rotten pc running debian |
| 20:15.32 | jmoncayo | hey guys, anyway to make the xset b off default |
| 20:16.10 | greycat | bollaburn: better get going, then. |
| 20:16.26 | greycat | jmoncayo: put it in your ~/.xsession or whatever you need for however you start X |
| 20:16.27 | bollaburn | abrotman: the problem with wodim is that i got only a cdrw ( i have 5 client with 2 cdrw each one ) |
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| 20:17.06 | greycat | bollaburn: you have 5 separate computers? that's only 60 CDs apiece. that shouldn't be a problem. |
| 20:17.16 | bollaburn | ya |
| 20:17.30 | tnks | hi, I have 64-bit machine with Debian installed. How do I see if i386 Debian or AMD64 is installed? |
| 20:17.34 | bollaburn | greycat: that is a secondary problem |
| 20:17.36 | greycat | tnks: uname -a |
| 20:17.47 | tnks | greycat: ah. . . silly me, thanks. |
| 20:17.52 | bollaburn | greycat: i know it is a big 'sbatta' |
| 20:17.56 | greycat | bollaburn: either try cdrecord instead of wodim, or swap hardware, or stop complaining. |
| 20:18.21 | tnks | greycat: is there a straight-forward way to move from i686 to amd64? |
| 20:18.28 | abrotman | tnks: reinstall |
| 20:18.31 | RedMushroom | when trying to connect to nxserver i keep getting an error saying "ssh connect to host localhost port22: Connection refused" i think this means that i'm not running an sshd, and i checked ps -A and there is nothing that. i've uninstalled and reinstalled the nx programs but i'm still having the problem. anyone know how to fix this? |
| 20:18.44 | bollaburn | greycat: cdrecord is not in deb rep or i'm in wrong |
| 20:18.45 | abrotman | did you install openssh-server? |
| 20:18.48 | tnks | okay, that's what I was afraid of. |
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| 20:18.53 | abrotman | bollaburn: cdrecord is wodim |
| 20:18.59 | abrotman | kind of |
| 20:19.02 | greycat | Probably not. Joerg and the Debian packagers have huge battles every month or so. |
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| 20:19.29 | greycat | I don't see what you want us to tell you, though. If you have two drives but they don't work at the same time, then don't try to use them both at the same time. |
| 20:19.34 | bollaburn | abrotman: so wodim is the only way ... |
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| 20:19.44 | Rat409 | bashburn? |
| 20:19.59 | tnks | okay, so to double-check that I have a 64-bit CPU, what should I look for in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 20:20.05 | greycat | !amd64 |
| 20:20.05 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. <why amd64> |
| 20:20.07 | tnks | or is there a better way to check? |
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| 20:20.30 | bollaburn | rat409> mmm ... mybushburn is in the rep ... so i try |
| 20:20.35 | abrotman | bollaburn: i don't know of any other CLI burning apps .. doesn't mean they don't exist |
| 20:20.46 | bollaburn | rat409 : ... it is based on wodim |
| 20:20.50 | greycat | cdrecord can be compiled on Debian from source. |
| 20:21.13 | abrotman | bollaburn: i see one called 'cdw' maybe to look at |
| 20:21.19 | foetus | my problem was, that my grappy toshiba multidrive doesn't read dvd, but rw's and dvd-ram - curious. so i had to burn my entire dvd-set to rw, nice waste-of-time.. |
| 20:21.28 | Rat409 | bollaburn: oh,sorry |
| 20:21.35 | bollaburn | greycat: ok i 'll give it a try ... |
| 20:21.43 | bollaburn | rat409: thk anyway :) |
| 20:23.03 | Manoj | stew: or yaird. or nothing |
| 20:23.23 | Manoj | stew: It all depends on kernel configuration, and the host machine |
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| 20:24.01 | foetus | i must look for a new one, maybe. from samsung or something else.. |
| 20:24.02 | Manoj | if I compile in ext3, but nothihg else, I do not need an initrd if /boot and / arew ext3 -- but on the next machine, which is XFS, I will need one of yaird or initramfs-tools |
| 20:24.44 | Manoj | stew: the default kernel-image is without --initrd -- and needs no intrd stuff |
| 20:24.52 | greycat | I gave up building my own kernels when configuration started to take more than 30 minutes. |
| 20:24.58 | greycat | Not the compiling part. |
| 20:25.04 | Manoj | frankly, I don't know why people want initrd's when they are generating their own kernels with make-kpkg |
| 20:25.09 | greycat | Just the configuration. Answering 70000 million questions about things I've never heard of. |
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| 20:25.43 | RedMushroom | when i go to install a .deb file i first have to type "dpkg -i <file>.deb" and don't i have to run another command after that? |
| 20:25.57 | stew | Manoj: personally, i'd want an initrd if i were to compile my own kernel becuase I need it for lvm |
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| 20:26.30 | greycat | RedMushroom: no |
| 20:26.53 | RedMushroom | greycat: thank you |
| 20:27.02 | foetus | same problem at the gentoo channel few days ago..for lvm you need an initrd, yes. |
| 20:27.24 | Manoj | stew: I just make /boot a separate partition, on ext2, and don't bother with initrds |
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| 20:27.46 | stew | Manoj: i want my / on lvm |
| 20:28.00 | Manoj | stew: but then, you know what you want, and you probably have an opinion about yaird vs initramfs-tools |
| 20:28.14 | Manoj | stew: I have my / on lvm on md on cryptfs |
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| 20:28.27 | Manoj | stew: only the crypt requires the initrd |
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| 20:28.35 | mats | i don't know why "bbep" doesn't work. it doesn't refuse an error but i can't hear any sound... |
| 20:28.40 | Manoj | my developmennt box is no initrd + / on lvm on md |
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| 20:28.46 | MrWax | Anyone in here experienced using EasyBCD with dual booting debian and vista? |
| 20:29.17 | RedMushroom | when i type "dpkg -i <file>.deb" the first line that shows up is "Selecting previously deselected package" does that mean it's trying to reinstall things i just removed, or is that normal for everything? i removed some packages through the synaptic package manager under the option "completly remove" thinking this would get rid of everything. is this correct? |
| 20:29.19 | MrWax | When booting into Debian Grub with NeoGrub (EasyBCD) I get this message prompt "Try (hd0,0): EXT2" |
| 20:29.24 | MrWax | Does anyone know what this could be? |
| 20:29.35 | greycat | RedMushroom: That means "it wasn't selected before, but it is now" |
| 20:29.38 | foetus | soo..new p7zip and lzma is ready - and it rocks :) |
| 20:29.42 | abrotman | MrWax: why wouldn't you just use grub to boot windows and linux ? |
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| 20:30.03 | RedMushroom | ah, so it has nothing to do with previously uninstalled programs? |
| 20:30.28 | mats | oh sorry the programm that doesn't work is called "beep" |
| 20:30.43 | Manoj | RedMushroom: nope. All it means it "It ain't currently installed, so this is a new package for this machine" |
| 20:30.55 | HTT-Bird | RedMushroom, nope. it's the "it's new here" message :) |
| 20:31.08 | RedMushroom | ok |
| 20:31.33 | MrWax | abrotman: I can't because i need truecrypt |
| 20:31.46 | MrWax | truecrypt can't protect windows that way |
| 20:31.47 | RedMushroom | well, i just uninstalled nxserver, nxclent, and nxnode thinking that would get rid of any problems, and reinstalled the .deb files, but i'm still having the same issues with it. |
| 20:31.51 | MrWax | when protecting the whole disk |
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| 20:32.39 | foetus | MrWax: not very useful, imho. |
| 20:32.55 | jmoncayo | i am getting this when aptitude finishes installing programs Current status: 1 broken [+1]. |
| 20:33.20 | jelly-home | jmoncayo: pastebin the complete output of aptitude -f install |
| 20:33.47 | RedMushroom | it keeps saying "ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused" does anyone know what this means, and how to fix it? |
| 20:33.53 | jelly-home | jmoncayo: (or just look at it yourself and see if you can answer your own question) |
| 20:34.01 | greycat | It means your sshd is not running, or you've got a firewall blocking it. |
| 20:34.09 | MrWax | foetus: can u explain? |
| 20:34.10 | greycat | !connection refused |
| 20:34.10 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 20:34.14 | RedMushroom | no firewall, i know that already |
| 20:34.25 | RedMushroom | how would i restart sshd? |
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| 20:34.36 | greycat | /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 20:35.33 | jmoncayo | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/1407775 |
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| 20:36.10 | nkuttler | jmoncayo: the error is kind of obvious when you read the message |
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| 20:36.46 | foetus | MrWax: i don't know, if you need an 3rd party bootloader for using truecrypt hd encryption, then its not the best choice, thats what i mean.. |
| 20:36.56 | lxsameer_ | can i use i386 repo for debian_amd64? |
| 20:37.05 | abrotman | why? |
| 20:37.11 | lepine1 | how does one install X, gdm and a window manager on a (so far) headless system? what's the debian equivalent of the ubuntu-desktop metapackage? |
| 20:37.27 | abrotman | lepine1: aptitude install xorg gdm <windowmanager> |
| 20:37.28 | RedMushroom | greycat: i just tried that, and restarting the nxserver, but it didnt't work. /etc/init.d/ssh start didn't give me any errors or anything though |
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| 20:37.39 | greycat | lepine1: apt-get install xorg gdm _your_wm_of_choice_ |
| 20:37.40 | lepine1 | abrotman: simple enough, thanks! |
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| 20:38.00 | greycat | RedMushroom: lsof -i :22 |
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| 20:38.56 | jmoncayo | nkuttler: the no space left on device? |
| 20:39.01 | romano2k | hi there! |
| 20:39.04 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: ps auxw | grep sshd ? did you restart sshd thourgh webmin? |
| 20:39.08 | nkuttler | jmoncayo: yes |
| 20:39.14 | RedMushroom | nkuttler: no |
| 20:39.15 | romano2k | i'm using bind on my debian as my local dns server |
| 20:39.26 | jmoncayo | nkuttler: how can i fix that? |
| 20:39.27 | greycat | Maybe he removed the ssh-server package but kept the config files, so it just exits when he tries to start it. |
| 20:39.36 | nkuttler | jmoncayo: um, delete stuff? |
| 20:39.37 | greycat | or openssh-server, whatever it's called |
| 20:39.44 | nkuttler | jmoncayo: apt-get clean for a start |
| 20:39.44 | romano2k | is there anyway it could interfer with the bonjour/itunes library sharing service? |
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| 20:40.06 | nkuttler | jmoncayo: autoclean maybe |
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| 20:40.17 | jmoncayo | nkuttler: thanks a lot |
| 20:40.22 | nkuttler | jmoncayo: yw |
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| 20:40.51 | RedMushroom | ps auxw | grep sshd returned root 11176 0.0 0.1 3116 728 pts/0 S+ 16:39 0:00 grep sshd |
| 20:40.56 | jmoncayo | well i didnt get the error now, but when done it said Current status: 0 broken [-1]. |
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| 20:41.05 | jmoncayo | aptitude -f install didnt show anything this time |
| 20:41.10 | greycat | RedMushroom: dpkg -l openssh-server | tail -1 |
| 20:41.18 | RedMushroom | i was messing around with proftpd and uninstalled that earlier\ |
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| 20:41.52 | greycat | you uninstalled proftpd, or you uninstalled openssh-server? |
| 20:41.58 | lepine1 | abrotman: gdm apparently depends on librsvg2-common ... but apt says it wont install it |
| 20:42.02 | lepine1 | i am not using unstable |
| 20:42.17 | lepine1 | should i report a bug? |
| 20:42.44 | RedMushroom | proftpd, but i was having some issues with it leaving being things it used to use and uninstalled those too. i think that's what caused this |
| 20:42.53 | greycat | RedMushroom: dpkg -l openssh-server | tail -1 |
| 20:42.55 | abrotman | lepine1: it's unstable .. that happens sometimes |
| 20:43.16 | MrWax | I have 2 partitions, one 800 gb windows vista, one 200gb debian, I like to remove the debian one and add the space to the 800gb windows partition (so 1 disk) does anyone know how I can do this best with some live cd or so? |
| 20:43.19 | lepine1 | i'm *not* using unstable |
| 20:43.31 | RedMushroom | greycat: that gives me "rc openssh-server 1:5.1p1-5 secure shell server, an rshd replacement" |
| 20:43.39 | greycat | RedMushroom: then you've removed it, so reinstall it. |
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| 20:43.51 | greycat | "rc" means "removed but configs are still here" |
| 20:44.02 | RedMushroom | "apt-get install openssh-server"? |
| 20:44.03 | jelly-home | lepine1: testing gets broken too. |
| 20:44.08 | lepine1 | lenny main on the iweb mirror, lenny/updates main contrib on security.debian.org |
| 20:44.08 | RedMushroom | ah |
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| 20:44.21 | RedMushroom | that rc bit will be very handy to know in the future |
| 20:44.30 | khaije1 | any sign of the new pulse volume mixer ? |
| 20:44.47 | jelly-home | lepine1: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy gdm librsvg2-common libc6" |
| 20:44.56 | lepine1 | i *should* be using stable, unless there's a subtlety i don't grasp ... |
| 20:44.58 | abrotman | lepine1: oh .. missed that |
| 20:45.02 | lepine1 | jelly-home: doing so now |
| 20:45.16 | lepine1 | jelly-home: here my sources.list |
| 20:45.17 | lepine1 | http://pastebin.ca/1407792 |
| 20:45.39 | abrotman | lepine1: you did an 'aptitude update` before trying to install right ? |
| 20:45.50 | lepine1 | using apt-get, and yes |
| 20:46.12 | lepine1 | here's the policy paste: http://pastebin.ca/1407794 |
| 20:46.23 | valdyn | lepine1: contrib in updates but not in your main repo line, makes no sense |
| 20:46.32 | valdyn | lepine1: contrib without non-free also probably makes no sense |
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| 20:46.37 | valdyn | lepine1: but thats not an error |
| 20:46.46 | abrotman | lepine1: what does `apt-cache policy` say ? |
| 20:47.21 | lepine1 | valdyn: thanks, will look into why it's that way |
| 20:47.25 | lepine1 | abrotman: policy -> http://pastebin.ca/1407797 |
| 20:48.06 | RedMushroom | greycat: installing openssh-server corrected my issue. thank you very much for your time and consideration |
| 20:48.07 | abrotman | lepine1: if you try it with aptitude install .. do you get a different error ? |
| 20:48.47 | lepine1 | abrotman: there's no error, but i'm being told it will downgrade -> librsvg2-2 [2.22.2-4 (now) -> 2.22.2-2lenny1 (stable)] |
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| 20:49.04 | jelly-home | lepine1: there's your reason. |
| 20:49.11 | keith4 | anyone know of a decent install-bootable-debian-on-a-flash-drive tutorial? |
| 20:49.30 | JyZyXEL | they don't work |
| 20:49.42 | JyZyXEL | i've tried like 3258758 times |
| 20:49.46 | lepine1 | true enough, but why? |
| 20:49.46 | abrotman | lepine1: soundsl ike you got that from elsewhere .. |
| 20:49.58 | keith4 | JyZyXEL: are you answering me? |
| 20:49.58 | lepine1 | trying to think about where i could have gotten that |
| 20:50.04 | jelly-home | lepine1: apt-get doesn't even consider downgrades, and your current librsvg2-2 isn't from lenny |
| 20:50.06 | JyZyXEL | keith4 yea |
| 20:50.27 | lepine1 | the only package is isntalled from otuside lenny was mysql-server-5.0 to have 5.0.51, which has profiling |
| 20:50.32 | keith4 | you've tried 3258758 times? maybe it's time to consider that you might be the problem |
| 20:50.35 | lepine1 | which i used pinning for |
| 20:50.39 | jpinx-eeepc | keith4 and JyZyXEL booting from a USB is well-documented |
| 20:50.47 | JyZyXEL | USB booting is a myth |
| 20:50.49 | jelly-home | judd: versions librsvg2-2 |
| 20:50.50 | judd | jelly-home: librsvg2-2 -- etch: 2.14.4-3 lenny: 2.22.2-2lenny1 sid: 2.22.3-2 squeeze: 2.22.3-2 |
| 20:50.51 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't work |
| 20:50.55 | keith4 | JyZyXEL: you're wrong |
| 20:50.57 | lepine1 | i assume some command can tell me which package depends on such and such package |
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| 20:51.07 | jpinx-eeepc | uses USB booting regularly |
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| 20:51.20 | abrotman | lepine1: if you agree, it will tell you what it's going to remove |
| 20:51.23 | stew | keith4: there are instructions in the install guide, /msg dpkg ig |
| 20:51.25 | JyZyXEL | i've tried with so many computers and so many USB sticks |
| 20:51.34 | keith4 | stew: thanks |
| 20:51.36 | JyZyXEL | they all just write "MBR" and stop there |
| 20:51.42 | jelly-home | lepine1: if you allow aptitude to do what it wants, things will likely be at least a bit better |
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| 20:52.04 | keith4 | !tell JyZyXEL about usb install |
| 20:52.21 | lepine1 | well, it's not telling anything about other packages that will break due to the downgrade |
| 20:52.29 | JyZyXEL | yeayea i've tried all of those |
| 20:52.31 | lepine1 | oh, no, wait |
| 20:52.35 | MrWax | After I installed debian on a partition after I installed Windows Vista, is there an easy way to set vista to main MBR back again? |
| 20:52.38 | JyZyXEL | their all bunch of bullshit |
| 20:52.42 | lepine1 | python2.4 and python2.4-minimal |
| 20:52.45 | stew | JyZyXEL: they work for lots of other people |
| 20:52.57 | keith4 | JyZyXEL: I suspect there are lots of people, in this very channel, that can offer counter examples |
| 20:53.07 | stew | keith4: yeah, you are safe to ignore him |
| 20:53.09 | jelly-home | lepine1: searching for reverse dependencies: aptitude search '~R librsvg2-2' |
| 20:53.20 | keith4 | stew: ;-) k, thanks |
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| 20:55.13 | jelly-home | lepine1: if this system has been "testing" at some point in the past, you might have more than one package newer than what's currently in lenny |
| 20:55.15 | tenemag | Hi, for a class that i'm taking, I need to figure out iSCSI and iATA... does anyone know of any good guides on how to install them? |
| 20:55.16 | stew | JyZyXEL: please note that becuase something didn't work for you, doesn't mean it can't work, look, for instance at your earlier incorrect statements abou fuse requiring root, and fuse being bullshit |
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| 20:55.42 | jpinx-eeepc | keith4 did you find the usb image you were looking for? |
| 20:55.43 | JyZyXEL | i didn't say fuse is bullshit |
| 20:55.43 | jelly-home | tenemag: there's iATA? |
| 20:55.50 | dustybin | is there a way to view whats inside the client resolver cache? |
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| 20:55.54 | tenemag | jelly-home apparently so lol |
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| 20:55.59 | lepine1 | jelly-home: it might have been in testing indeed. I wanted to install a higher version of mysql-server-5.0 ... i might have put in on testing before trying package pinning |
| 20:56.23 | tenemag | I was given the assignment for my final project, I need to install iSCSI and iATA and demonstrate it in front of the class for next week |
| 20:56.23 | keith4 | jpinx-eeepc: yah... reading the installation guide now |
| 20:56.33 | jelly-home | lepine1: see! It's always the user's fault. :-D |
| 20:56.46 | lepine1 | jelly-home: could forcing the install be a good idea? |
| 20:56.56 | bl4ckcomb | I'm having a problem with my USB ports. When I attach an usb stick (I've tried 3 different devices) the drive appears in the "computer" directory, but isn't mounted. I also can't mount them manually. My bluetooth dongle also refuses to work... Any ideas? btw, It all worked say 3 days ago |
| 20:57.00 | lepine1 | i do have the lib, just a higher version, and not too far ahead (minor number) |
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| 20:57.19 | jelly-home | lepine1: I'd use aptitude (either command line or UI) to downgrade whatever needs downgrading |
| 20:57.31 | lepine1 | note taken |
| 20:57.37 | jpinx-eeepc | keith4 just make sure your hardware BIOS will allow UDB booting |
| 20:57.40 | tenemag | can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 20:57.47 | lepine1 | well, it's a test machine with nothing worth saving on it, other than the time it could take to clean up the mess |
| 20:57.53 | lepine1 | i'll go ahead with the downgrade |
| 20:58.09 | RedMushroom | what's the command to see a list of a programs dependencies? |
| 20:58.22 | jelly-home | tenemag: for iscsi, you'll need two machines, one an iscsi initiator (client) and one an iscsi target |
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| 20:59.07 | stew | RedMushroom: "apt-cache depends packagename" or "aptitude search '~Rpackagename'" |
| 20:59.09 | tenemag | I have 2 Virtual Machines for the class that I can use... both are on the same subnet and can see eachother.. |
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| 20:59.23 | jpinx-eeepc | lepine1: I haven't read all the scrollback, but the only way I found to downgrade was to purge the existing and re-install the lesser version |
| 20:59.36 | RedMushroom | ty |
| 20:59.38 | lepine1 | jpinx-eeepc: thanks, will keep that in mind |
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| 20:59.57 | jelly-home | tenemag: I can't say which of the target implementations are current there days, only investigated iscsi a short time. |
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| 21:00.16 | tenemag | ah... there are more than one target implementations? |
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| 21:00.29 | jelly-home | tenemag: yes. Do your googlework. |
| 21:00.41 | jpinx-eeepc | is there anyway I can tell the type of RAM sticks in a box without actually opening it up? |
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| 21:00.42 | n-iCe | hello I have a zd1211rw usb wireless but the signal comes down and up so fast, like instability , any ideas how to fix it? |
| 21:00.49 | n-iCe | I instaleld the firmware already |
| 21:00.53 | stew | jpinx-eeepc: try dmidecode |
| 21:01.06 | jpinx-eeepc | stew: tks :) |
| 21:01.07 | jelly-home | tenemag: as for debian, you can start with "apt-cache search iscsi", but you probably already did that |
| 21:01.11 | tenemag | jelly-home alright... question though, the target is the machine "hosting" the disk, right? |
| 21:01.15 | tenemag | yea, tried that lol |
| 21:01.18 | jelly-home | tenemag: right |
| 21:01.41 | tenemag | so the initiator would basically in essence "mount" the remote disk as if it were locally installed? |
| 21:02.02 | jelly-home | (more correctly, the one presenting a block device to others) |
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| 21:02.52 | daedalous | hi i'm back (deed02392) and on debian, however gnome isn't giving me the option for 1680x1050 with my ati 4850, and i'm stuck on 1400x1050 |
| 21:03.01 | daedalous | i'm sure you've all heard this problem many times before, but this is my first time so please be nice :) |
| 21:03.21 | jelly-home | tenemag: it initiates scsi requests, like a scsi host bus adapter ("controller") would do with a disk |
| 21:03.27 | tenemag | Ah |
| 21:03.46 | tenemag | so it's in essence a software HBA accessing a remote disk? |
| 21:03.51 | jelly-home | yup |
| 21:04.03 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions dmidecode |
| 21:04.04 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: dmidecode -- etch: 2.8-4 lenny: 2.9-1 sid: 2.9-1 squeeze: 2.9-1 |
| 21:04.06 | tenemag | easy enough to understand, now i just gotta figure it out lol |
| 21:04.42 | jelly-home | tenemag: that's about how far I got. We bought a SAN. :-) |
| 21:04.43 | daedalous | anyone know the easy way of forcing a resolution in xorg? |
| 21:04.48 | daedalous | or whatever will fix this problem :( |
| 21:04.56 | tenemag | here's another quesiton you might know... if I have two FibreChannel HBA's, and i link 2 machines together point to point, is there any way to "share" the drives in one machine? |
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| 21:06.21 | jelly-home | tenemag: hm. There were ways to do IP over FC, so yes. |
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| 21:06.51 | jelly-home | no idea if that works with any FC HBAs |
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| 21:06.52 | MrWax | Are there good reasons why KDE desktop env is more recommendable than gnome? |
| 21:07.02 | tenemag | were ways? 0_o |
| 21:07.10 | MrWax | Gnome is standard option at installation of debian right? does anyone recommend me to always install that? |
| 21:07.24 | Polarina | MrWax: I do. |
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| 21:07.26 | jpinx-eeepc | how do I find what package contains a specific command? |
| 21:07.35 | jelly-home | tenemag: as in "I vaguely remmeber reading about it a few years back" |
| 21:07.42 | Polarina | jpinx-eeepc: Google usually helps. |
| 21:07.48 | shivraj | anyone know of a program that could dump the audio coming from youtube to a file ? |
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| 21:08.02 | shivraj | or is it possible to do this using simple unix tools ? |
| 21:08.07 | OpenTokix | tenemag: not much free FC stuff out there |
| 21:08.16 | OpenTokix | tenemag: do you already have the HBA's? |
| 21:08.27 | bl4ckcomb | shivraj, there is a python tool youtube-dl |
| 21:08.28 | tenemag | jelly-home ah... my thought was to use the 2-3 FC HBA's i have in my machines to get them to "talk" via FC |
| 21:08.48 | tenemag | OpenTokix Yes, i have quite a few HBA's and a ton of LC fibre |
| 21:09.02 | tenemag | Qlogic HBA's |
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| 21:09.33 | OpenTokix | tenemag: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4499 |
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| 21:10.58 | MrWax | Polarina: why>? |
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| 21:11.10 | bluethundr | ever since I got my site load balanced with pound.. everything loads slooooowwww.. why? what can I do about this? |
| 21:11.16 | Polarina | MrWax: It's simpler. |
| 21:11.17 | OpenTokix | tenemag: you can use glusterfs |
| 21:12.00 | enouf | ok ..back - anybody say anything worth reading backscroll for? :-P |
| 21:12.02 | tenemag | glusterfs? how do i get the machines to "see" eachother though? |
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| 21:12.08 | babbage | oin #netbsd |
| 21:12.16 | OpenTokix | tenemag: I think you have to read some |
| 21:12.33 | duxbarak | is there a way to put my remote password in either the command like or the config file? |
| 21:12.42 | duxbarak | for ssh |
| 21:13.15 | valdyn | duxbarak: thats silly |
| 21:13.17 | zibri | duxbarak: maybe auth with keys instead? |
| 21:13.41 | MrWax | Polarina: ok |
| 21:13.53 | MrWax | If I like to encrypt my debian installation on a brand new partition |
| 21:13.58 | MrWax | what way would be most recommendable? |
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| 21:14.30 | duxbarak | i have to ssh to tons of different switches, which all need the same username/pword, but auth with keys won't work, because i only visit each one once or twice |
| 21:14.47 | valdyn | duxbarak: that means "man ssh-keygen" and "man ssh-copy-id" |
| 21:14.52 | valdyn | duxbarak: its not very hard |
| 21:15.47 | valdyn | duxbarak: so you think you have time to put the password into a file but not enough time to run ssh-copy-id? |
| 21:15.54 | valdyn | duh |
| 21:16.03 | mats | i want to make sound in c++ under linux. how do i do? my favorit would be that i can give a frequence to c++ |
| 21:16.17 | ongardie | valdyn: he said "they all need the same username/pword" |
| 21:16.28 | valdyn | ongardie: wow how fucked up |
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| 21:17.00 | valdyn | duxbarak: id do that with expect, but theres probably a dedicated tool to |
| 21:17.07 | valdyn | mats: wrong channel |
| 21:17.21 | duxbarak | valdyn: i can't do that on 400 machines that i need to get to once or twice each |
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| 21:18.41 | valdyn | duxbarak: and in the future those machines are maintained by someone else? |
| 21:18.57 | valdyn | duxbarak: expect is not very hard to use |
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| 21:19.26 | Yondering | howdy.. trying to use netinst on a usb stick.. remove the installgui from the boot options to use the old ansi installer? |
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| 21:19.46 | valdyn | duxbarak: then i see this package sshpass - Non-interactive ssh password authentication |
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| 21:20.08 | duxbarak | valdyn: thanks, i'll check it out |
| 21:20.24 | superjoe | can we get the calf plugin pack in the debian repository?http://calf.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:20.34 | superjoe | is there somewhere I can request this? |
| 21:20.43 | valdyn | !wnpp |
| 21:20.43 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 21:20.53 | superjoe | gracias |
| 21:21.00 | enouf | xingu valdyn et al; concerning <dusted> 's multiseat, dual xsessions, whatever thing it is - 1st, thanks for all that info about serverlayout -sharevts -layout, labels because i didn't know about any of those ... where would 'xnest' fit into all that? or nowhere close? i noticed twinview (underneath; due to nvidia's kernel module i presume) and xinerama (on top; due to needing to still go through xlib to get to hardware?) mentioned |
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| 21:21.27 | valdyn | enouf: xnest is just X in an X window |
| 21:21.47 | enouf | valdyn: similar to a child process? as in bash? |
| 21:22.09 | valdyn | enouf: are you already using gdm? |
| 21:22.11 | enouf | so same session, same user, same server? |
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| 21:22.34 | ringo999 | so i tried to boot with lilo to the old kernel but it's still running the new on (2.6.27) even though vmlinuz.old and initrd.img.old are linking to 2.6.26 kernel. Any idea? :-( |
| 21:22.34 | enouf | valdyn: i use kdm ... unfortunately, but i never see it really |
| 21:22.39 | bl4ckcomb | I'm having a problem with my USB ports. When I attach an usb stick (I've tried 3 different devices) the drive appears in the "computer" directory, but isn't mounted. I also can't mount them manually. My bluetooth dongle also refuses to work... Any ideas? btw, It all worked say 3 days ago |
| 21:22.50 | ringo999 | i've check /etc/lilo.conf and everything looks good. so it's not that. |
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| 21:22.58 | valdyn | enouf: no, Xnest is an X server that runs in a window, it can do the same as the X server that accesses your hardware |
| 21:23.02 | charzero | If I use rxvt and look at a man page, I see a[][] where there should be a â. TERM=rxvt. What is the problem? |
| 21:23.06 | ongardie | enouf: Xnest is itself an X server, you just get the output on an X client window instead of a real display |
| 21:23.12 | valdyn | enouf: gdmXnest gives a login window for instance |
| 21:23.39 | valdyn | enouf: just Xnest should be equivalent to xinit |
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| 21:24.05 | shivraj | bl4ckcomb: thanks |
| 21:24.13 | bl4ckcomb | np |
| 21:24.15 | mats | valdyn: which channel would you propose? |
| 21:24.32 | valdyn | enouf: theoretically gdmXnest + mpx = hack to achieve -sharevt |
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| 21:24.55 | valdyn | mats: i dont know, i can guess just like you |
| 21:24.58 | v4nelle | guys i try to format a external hdd in ntfs....and gparted has checked (round to cylinder)...i must change it or not? |
| 21:25.12 | valdyn | mats: #c++, #c, ##c, whatever |
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| 21:25.29 | ongardie | v4nelle: i think it's safest to keep that checked |
| 21:25.38 | enouf | valdyn: see kde is weird, i can start a whole new Xsession (start > switch user > start new session) which appears on vt8, vt9, etc .. yet it's the same XServer controlling the hardware AFAICT -- check this; http://pastebin.ca/raw/1407847 |
| 21:25.41 | Foon_Not_Spork | Hi, what firewall is installed by default on debian 5 and how to i turn it off? |
| 21:25.43 | valdyn | mats: or the google thing "audio programming in linux" |
| 21:25.53 | v4nelle | thx ongardie |
| 21:25.56 | ongardie | Foon_Not_Spork: there is none? |
| 21:25.58 | valdyn | mats: not like you're going to find any real c++ code though, i bet |
| 21:26.31 | Foon_Not_Spork | ongardie: Oh... well my debian 5 distro is rejecting packet from another comp as if there is a firewall rule :( |
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| 21:26.38 | valdyn | Foon_Not_Spork: its off by default and not installed |
| 21:26.57 | valdyn | Foon_Not_Spork: so maybe youre wrong then in your diagnosis |
| 21:28.09 | valdyn | enouf: no, thats another X server |
| 21:28.12 | enouf | valdyn: and ongardie thanks for the replies, i'm just not getting it (the xnest bit) -- i know i will (atleast a bit better) once i 'toy' with it .. XServer to me means; separate control of hardware devices (k+v+m) .. no worries guys - thanks again |
| 21:28.12 | Foon_Not_Spork | valdyn: If I had clicked firewall during install what would be installed? |
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| 21:28.19 | ringo999 | how can i see what kind of wireless card i got? i'm running a macbook and have some troubles with the drivers... |
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| 21:28.50 | enouf | valdyn: i don't think so - and i'll tell you why - altering my xorg.conf and starting the new sessions produced no discernable changes to new sessions |
| 21:28.58 | valdyn | Xorg,3846 Xorg,4088 -Xorg,4338: thats 3 X servers |
| 21:29.01 | TiMiDo | ringo999: try using another driver or looking up an specific driver |
| 21:29.01 | ongardie | enouf: keyboard and mouse are mapped through to the nested server when the window has focus, video is an x window instead of a physical display |
| 21:29.03 | enouf | valdyn: i also asked in #debian-kde way back . |
| 21:29.30 | valdyn | enouf: im sure thats related to how kdm starts the X servers |
| 21:29.33 | enouf | ongardie: interesting way to put it .. ok ... |
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| 21:29.43 | enouf | valdyn: i think you are correct .. |
| 21:29.48 | valdyn | enouf: its seperate processes, thats not debatable ;) |
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| 21:29.56 | enouf | heh |
| 21:30.03 | enouf | point! |
| 21:30.37 | ongardie | enouf: you could also search for a screenshot of xnest, that'll get the point across |
| 21:31.00 | enouf | valdyn: if it's not truly 3 separate XServers ... can you see why i get frustrated with anything called a DE? |
| 21:31.01 | valdyn | kdm<tab><tab> might actually yield some Xnest thing |
| 21:31.21 | enouf | ongardie: yes, i have looked into many moons ago - just no follow through ;-) |
| 21:31.36 | valdyn | enouf: well, current multi desktop stuff is alot of hacks, its not working half the time |
| 21:31.46 | enouf | ~$ kdm |
| 21:31.46 | enouf | kdm kdm_config kdmctl kdm_greet |
| 21:31.48 | valdyn | enouf: and when its working its not good at all |
| 21:32.13 | ringo999 | TiMiDo: well, in the debian macbook wiki it recommends atheros driver. As I understand there is ath5k and ath9k. I need to know which wifi card i have specifically to with mod to use... |
| 21:32.33 | enouf | valdyn: heh .. righto .. i noticed this about kernel modesetting in .29 http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_29 |
| 21:32.34 | valdyn | ringo999: lspci |
| 21:32.50 | valdyn | enouf: thats a first step |
| 21:32.57 | enouf | indeed |
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| 21:33.19 | enouf | getting 'X' mostly into the kernel ... |
| 21:33.44 | valdyn | enouf: and the gdm_greet needs to stick and stay on the same console |
| 21:33.46 | enouf | omg .. that's the redmond mantra ... isn't it? |
| 21:33.46 | tenemag | OpenTokix Question... I was incorrect... i have an Emulex 7000 HBA, 3 of them |
| 21:33.53 | valdyn | enouf: and not switch with ctrl-alt-fx |
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| 21:34.11 | enouf | valdyn: i never knew any of those existed .. heh |
| 21:34.36 | valdyn | me neither, never used kdm |
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| 21:34.46 | enouf | valdyn: i planned on removing everything kde soon ... but i procrastinate |
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| 21:35.16 | enouf | valdyn: i have grown fond of a very select few k apps .. ugh |
| 21:35.51 | enouf | klipper + ksirc + ... one other thing that i can't recall .. oh konsole and tabbed shells |
| 21:36.13 | enouf | though it's history saving sucks HUGE ASS |
| 21:36.22 | enouf | kde3.5.x that is |
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| 21:36.49 | enouf | i know i can replace atleast 2 of 3 easily ... |
| 21:37.11 | Foon_Not_Spork | During a Debian 5 install, if firewall is selected, what type of firewall (as in whats the name of the software...) that would be installed? |
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| 21:37.35 | enouf | none |
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| 21:37.40 | enouf | er.. |
| 21:37.50 | valdyn | Foon_Not_Spork: theres no firewall selection |
| 21:37.54 | enouf | there's a "firewall" selection? |
| 21:38.00 | valdyn | Foon_Not_Spork: you would have to aptitude install something |
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| 21:38.11 | Foon_Not_Spork | Why do the docs say that Debian 5 has a default firewall installed and that no distros previously have? |
| 21:38.23 | valdyn | Foon_Not_Spork: where? |
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| 21:40.03 | enouf | bjork_not_spoon? |
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| 21:42.22 | amphi | stone as not roll, him heap up not foam |
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| 21:44.24 | enouf | douses amphi with 5 decanters full of refreshing adult beverages |
| 21:45.32 | enouf | really only used 4 .. and drank one instead in the meleé |
| 21:46.12 | xoz | what's wrong with this? it cannot create a dir with names in numbers... in this case mkdir 123 fails. http://paste.debian.net/34802/ |
| 21:46.46 | vimpulse | hi all. I have a preowned, out-of-warranty laptop w/ Debian 5.0.1. I have three problems but I only mind the third. 1. I've twice gotten ATA timeouts on the internal HDD, and my internal HDD has stopped working for 30 seconds. 2. The BIOS always ignores my choices and uses its own predefined boot order. |
| 21:46.46 | vimpulse | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.47 | vimpulse | 3. When I read or write USB card readers or hard drives, I periodically get I/O errors. How can I solve this third problem? |
| 21:46.49 | enouf | xoz: dir names as numbers are silly IMHO - which FStype and mount options? |
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| 21:47.09 | enouf | xoz: why not use \n and spaces too ;-P |
| 21:47.55 | xoz | it works before but does not work now. |
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| 21:48.19 | RedMushroom | enouf: don't numbers like xoz is using tell the mkdir command to apply spesific permissions to the dir being mk'ed? |
| 21:48.23 | enouf | vimpulse: /msg dpkg laptop (enter your make/model -- seek out others that install and use debian) .. be more specific about your hardware and debian versions and kernel |
| 21:48.32 | helo | what is the preferred method for a gnome lay-user to mount a partition on a temporarily attached hard drive? |
| 21:48.41 | enouf | RedMushroom: i didn't look at the paste ...yet |
| 21:49.02 | enouf | lay-user? |
| 21:49.03 | helo | or better yet, multiple partitions on multiple temporarily attached hard drives... |
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| 21:49.23 | enouf | i think you want pmount |
| 21:49.27 | enouf | !pmount |
| 21:49.27 | dpkg | it has been said that pmount is "policy mount", an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount). |
| 21:49.28 | helo | someone who doesn't know how to "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1" |
| 21:49.51 | RedMushroom | don't be mean >:-( |
| 21:50.01 | enouf | hrm .. then if you want ntfs mounting with rw, you';ll need fuser + ntfs-3g |
| 21:50.22 | helo | is there a good way for such a person to see what partitions are available on the newly attached drives? |
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| 21:50.45 | nkuttler | helo: cat /proc/partitions |
| 21:51.05 | enouf | RedMushroom: when my questions are answered with anything other than specific answers, i cannot be helpful .. i'm not trying to be mean at all(if you meant me) |
| 21:51.28 | vimpulse | The laptop is a Toshiba Satellite A100 (PSAA2C-LE100F), maybe four years old. I'm using a Debian prebuilt 2.6.26-2-686 kernel. enouf: are you able and willing to help me, or was that just general advice? |
| 21:51.37 | enouf | RedMushroom: though .. i did "embellish" ... sorry |
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| 21:52.06 | enouf | vimpulse: i have almost no exp with craptops .. but i've helped others |
| 21:52.26 | enouf | vimpulse: the fact that it's out of warranty doesn't even phase me |
| 21:52.32 | vimpulse | enouf: ok, so if you could please give my problem a stab :) |
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| 21:52.35 | enouf | i use old p1s and p2s |
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| 21:53.15 | RedMushroom | <--- running something similar. 500mHz |
| 21:53.18 | enouf | vimpulse: the "general" advice has helped many others .. and i've seeked and searched out things for them in the past |
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| 21:53.47 | enouf | 350MHz p2 100FSB 512RAM |
| 21:54.05 | RedMushroom | hey! what's a "computer mason" |
| 21:54.07 | RedMushroom | ? |
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| 21:54.18 | RedMushroom | someone that builds with bricks! |
| 21:54.24 | RedMushroom | :-P |
| 21:54.40 | vimpulse | enouf: ok, what is the first step I should take to diagnose the problem? |
| 21:54.48 | enouf | vimpulse: i would deal with all 3 issues with the same fervor |
| 21:55.04 | enouf | vimpulse: consider reFlashing the BIOS |
| 21:55.11 | vimpulse | enouf: the third problem is the most annoying, so I would like to fix it first. |
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| 21:55.32 | vimpulse | enouf: I reflashed the BIOS to the newest version. All three problems persisted. |
| 21:55.38 | enouf | vimpulse: the BIOS ignoring your changes could mean the CMOS battery is dead |
| 21:55.58 | vimpulse | enouf: it also ignores choices from the F12 (boot choices) menu. |
| 21:56.02 | enouf | now ..on craptops .. where's the CMOS Battery? dunno |
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| 21:56.23 | RedMushroom | enouf: bios ignoring changes could also mean that he's trying to flash it with an incompatable version |
| 21:56.27 | enouf | vimpulse: not good - reFlash again - did the Flash change anything? |
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| 21:56.33 | RedMushroom | for that particular system board |
| 21:56.35 | vimpulse | enouf: also, it never says "CMOS checksum bad" except right after I reflash the bios. |
| 21:56.36 | enouf | RedMushroom: correct |
| 21:56.41 | enouf | not good |
| 21:56.49 | RedMushroom | not at all |
| 21:56.51 | enouf | vimpulse: what CPU and such? |
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| 21:57.31 | RedMushroom | vimpulse: how many times have you tried flashing the bios? also, did the computer have a power failure or get turned off while it was flashing at some point? |
| 21:57.49 | vimpulse | enouf: it's a lot of work for me to reflash: I must use a Windows 7 Beta setup CD then press Shift-F10 to access the secret command prompt. But I returned my Win7 CD to its original owner now. |
| 21:58.04 | vimpulse | RedMushroom: one, and no, the flash succeeded |
| 21:58.05 | RedMushroom | :( |
| 21:58.15 | vimpulse | RedMushroom: *once |
| 21:58.18 | RedMushroom | hmm |
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| 21:58.24 | enouf | vimpulse: i don't know what "USGB Card Readers" are .. but i would think the 'sync' or 'async' mount options in ext2/3 FStypes might be an issue ... it all depends |
| 21:58.26 | RedMushroom | problem start before or after the flash? |
| 21:58.35 | enouf | er s/USBG/USB |
| 21:58.37 | nkuttler | hm, don't mother mbs support flashing from floppy/cd images? |
| 21:58.48 | enouf | vimpulse: no |
| 21:58.51 | vimpulse | nkuttler: not mine |
| 21:59.01 | nkuttler | vimpulse: tough luck i guess |
| 21:59.02 | enouf | vimpulse: let me ask - is there any other OS installed? |
| 21:59.18 | vimpulse | RedMushroom: before - but problems 1 and 3 started first; then 2 started later, I don't know why |
| 21:59.24 | vimpulse | CPU is Cel M 1.70GHz |
| 21:59.37 | RedMushroom | o |
| 21:59.43 | xororand | which signal(s) does a window manager send to a GUI application in order to close it? |
| 21:59.45 | vimpulse | enouf: yes, there's Ubuntu, and a broken copy of Windows XP installed |
| 21:59.48 | RedMushroom | i'd say problem 3 is the most worrisome |
| 21:59.50 | enouf | vimpulse: allow me to buy you a new laptop ;-) |
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| 21:59.58 | vimpulse | enouf: you mean I should buy a new laptop? |
| 22:00.01 | bl4ckcomb | correct me if i'm wrong... but reflashing your bios on an unstable os... thats not really recommended i think |
| 22:00.02 | enouf | no |
| 22:00.11 | RedMushroom | not at all |
| 22:00.23 | enouf | vimpulse: can you PLEASE pastebin fdisk -l |
| 22:00.23 | nkuttler | xororand: use xkill? |
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| 22:00.33 | xororand | good idea, thanks nkuttler |
| 22:00.42 | RedMushroom | he should have at least physically disconnected the h/d if he didn't want to mess with the contents, but that can cause it's own issues |
| 22:00.43 | enouf | bl4ckcomb: wrong |
| 22:00.56 | vimpulse | enouf: RedMushroom: "no" / "not at all" to what? |
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| 22:01.23 | enouf | bl4ckcomb: the reFlashing "iFlash" process has nothing to do with the OS .. except on newer crappy BIOSes with GUI interfaces |
| 22:01.23 | RedMushroom | reflashing with possible software issues |
| 22:01.35 | RedMushroom | enouf: yeah! |
| 22:01.56 | bl4ckcomb | enouf, isn't that process scheduled by the OS ? |
| 22:02.08 | enouf | is getting lost in the cruft ... amphi ... halp! |
| 22:02.16 | enouf | bl4ckcomb: no |
| 22:02.18 | RedMushroom | and if he was wanting to update the bios software to something that did require a GUI then it could be trying to call something on the h/d that's not there |
| 22:02.37 | RedMushroom | bl4ckcomb: no, anything to do with bios should happen before the OS loads |
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| 22:03.08 | enouf | bl4ckcomb: i've reflashed my BIOS with nothing more than a Floppy drive connected (Mobo + CPU + RAM) -- no Video, no HDD |
| 22:03.15 | amphi | enouf: haha |
| 22:03.33 | RedMushroom | and i thought i got nuts with minimalism |
| 22:03.42 | bl4ckcomb | enouf, yes, but he used the cli provided by win7? |
| 22:03.52 | RedMushroom | has run setups w/o a case a time or two |
| 22:04.14 | enouf | bl4ckcomb: i ignore any sentences that contain "windows" , "redmond" or "7" |
| 22:04.24 | flower | how can you check which packages has 'package foo' as depends or recommends? |
| 22:04.26 | bl4ckcomb | ^^ |
| 22:04.26 | vimpulse | enouf: partition table is at http://paste.debian.net/34803/ - But you remind me: there's a fourth problem. Different software sees my partition table differently. Some do not see sda6, which is a swap partition. Also, fdisk says "Warning: ignoring extra data in partition table 5". |
| 22:04.39 | RedMushroom | enouf: can't! if he used the windows boot cd to flash the bios then this is now a windows issue! |
| 22:04.46 | enouf | vimpulse: woul;d you be willing to WIPE the disk? |
| 22:04.47 | bl4ckcomb | I'm glad you're not (yet) ignoring me for my nick, enouf |
| 22:05.04 | enouf | RedMushroom: then he should be in ##windows |
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| 22:05.27 | vimpulse | enouf: if really necessary, then maybe i would wipe it |
| 22:05.37 | vimpulse | enouf: when did I write "USGB"? |
| 22:05.50 | enouf | vimpulse: i will not check out your paste until you answer yes/no |
| 22:05.50 | RedMushroom | enouf: hmmmm, you might be correct |
| 22:05.57 | enouf | vimpulse: i corrected that |
| 22:06.03 | RedMushroom | vimpulse: how did you go about reflashing the bios to begin with? |
| 22:06.07 | vimpulse | enouf: ah, sorry |
| 22:06.31 | enouf | vimpulse: you too .. are .. overwhehlmed .. i can see it .. it's ok .. |
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| 22:06.39 | enouf | - one h |
| 22:07.03 | TheBigDirtyEmu | hey |
| 22:07.04 | RedMushroom | enouf: what was that? a william shatner impersonation? |
| 22:07.07 | enouf | flower: apt-cache depend <pkgname> |
| 22:07.11 | enouf | flower: apt-cache depends <pkgname> |
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| 22:07.21 | TheBigDirtyEmu | anyone able to give me some help with totem (movie player) and .mkv files |
| 22:07.40 | amphi | enouf: for ghod's sake stop saying 'flower'! |
| 22:08.01 | vimpulse | RedMushroom: boot Win7 setup CD, press Shift-F10, insert USB stick with reflashing utility, run it |
| 22:08.14 | enouf | flower: as far as Recommends, i cannot say for sure - all i know is i have this entry in this file |
| 22:08.16 | enouf | ~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends |
| 22:08.16 | enouf | APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 22:08.18 | RedMushroom | yep. enouf is right on the channel decission |
| 22:08.29 | enouf | which means do NOT install recommends flower |
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| 22:08.47 | enouf | amphi: hehe .. sowwy ;-) |
| 22:08.48 | RedMushroom | vimpulse: this is probably a windows issue because you used the Win7 CD to start the process. you need to go to ##windows |
| 22:09.06 | vimpulse | RedMushroom: I need Windows to reflash. But now I have reflashed. I am now only using Linux. |
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| 22:09.28 | RedMushroom | so you can't get windows to come up, or you've removed windows from the h/d? |
| 22:09.29 | enouf | vimpulse: you do NOT need windows to reFlash |
| 22:09.42 | RedMushroom | that's true |
| 22:09.53 | vimpulse | enouf: in my case, I need Windows to reflash. The flashing utility is a windows program. |
| 22:09.59 | enouf | no |
| 22:10.02 | RedMushroom | but what's the specific issue you're having w/ the reflash? |
| 22:10.06 | RedMushroom | no no no |
| 22:10.07 | vimpulse | RedMushroom: no issue |
| 22:10.08 | RedMushroom | you don't |
| 22:10.18 | flower | enouf: I think I mean the other way around, which packages have foo als depends or recommends, not which pkg are depends from foo |
| 22:10.18 | RedMushroom | then why are we going on about it? |
| 22:10.22 | vimpulse | RedMushroom: the Windows XP on the HD is copied from an older laptop and has never worked. |
| 22:10.23 | enouf | you only need atleast maybe FreeDOS and the .bin on floppy correctly or CD |
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| 22:10.29 | RedMushroom | ok |
| 22:10.40 | mats | i think my system-signals (accoustiks) are turned off; how can i turn them on? |
| 22:10.45 | RedMushroom | so you reflashed it with a win7 cd, and it worked? |
| 22:10.46 | enouf | flower: then, apt-cache rdepends <pkgname> |
| 22:10.48 | vimpulse | enouf: the utility requires VBScript and more. |
| 22:10.56 | enouf | flower: and see apt-rdepends |
| 22:11.04 | enouf | vimpulse: no it doesn't |
| 22:11.09 | vimpulse | RedMushroom: It caused "CMOS Checksum Bad" next boot. Does that mean it worked? |
| 22:11.15 | RedMushroom | oh |
| 22:11.16 | vimpulse | RedMushroom: I don't know, but I assume so |
| 22:11.16 | RedMushroom | no |
| 22:11.19 | RedMushroom | that's bad |
| 22:11.20 | enouf | vimpulse: only the WINDOWS version of the utility does |
| 22:11.22 | RedMushroom | ok |
| 22:11.31 | vimpulse | enouf: Toshiba ships no DOS version |
| 22:11.38 | enouf | vimpulse: airmail that craptop |
| 22:11.44 | enouf | vimpulse: doesn't matter |
| 22:11.54 | RedMushroom | that's an issue w/ the flash not recognising some peice of hardware, or something else |
| 22:12.03 | amphi | ugh, toshiba |
| 22:12.07 | RedMushroom | one of the settings |
| 22:12.18 | JyZyXEL | [38886.109444] CIFS VFS: Send error in SessSetup = -13 |
| 22:12.18 | JyZyXEL | [38886.109877] Status code returned 0xc000006d NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
| 22:12.24 | JyZyXEL | what is that |
| 22:12.26 | RedMushroom | ummm.... does the bios software try to recognise the presence of the battery? |
| 22:12.32 | mats | please need some help! |
| 22:12.33 | JyZyXEL | it just keeps flooding |
| 22:12.40 | vimpulse | RedMushroom: what bios software? |
| 22:12.46 | enouf | vimpulse: Toshiba might have at one time done the Comcrap/HP trickery with IML ... but i think they all stopped that in the late 90s, early 2K |
| 22:12.56 | RedMushroom | the bios software you flashed onto the system board |
| 22:13.02 | vimpulse | enouf: what is IML? |
| 22:13.08 | enouf | vimpulse: you are not paying attention |
| 22:13.08 | vimpulse | RedMushroom: dunno. How can I tell? |
| 22:13.18 | enouf | vimpulse: Initial Microcode Load |
| 22:13.29 | RedMushroom | go into it's settings and look around to see if anything is trying to confirm the presance of a battery |
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| 22:13.47 | enouf | vimpulse: we'll talk another time - too many chefs ;-) |
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| 22:13.58 | vimpulse | RedMushroom: ok, once I see, then what? |
| 22:14.08 | RedMushroom | if it is, i'll bet that the system board doesnt support the function, and youre using something like v5 instead of v4 |
| 22:14.11 | enouf | plus .. /me needs a refreshing adult refill |
| 22:14.16 | vimpulse | enouf: you mentioned "sync" instead of "async", and you asked about other OSes. I think I should try "sync" or try booting into Ubuntu and see if things are better, right? |
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| 22:14.43 | vimpulse | RedMushroom: what does "if it is, i'll bet that the system board doesnt support the function, and youre using something like v5 instead of v4" mean? |
| 22:15.13 | RedMushroom | well, lets say you upgraded the bios software to version 5. v5 looks for a cmos battery. |
| 22:15.14 | enouf | vimpulse: no |
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| 22:15.29 | RedMushroom | your systemboard, however, should be using version 4 instead |
| 22:15.32 | enouf | vimpulse: i too ... speak sporadically about issues ... |
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| 22:15.56 | enouf | ergo .. vimpulse .. certain things NEED to be addressed FIRST |
| 22:16.04 | RedMushroom | basically, it would indicate that you upgraded too far for your system board |
| 22:16.27 | enouf | this RedMushroom fuskcer types too fast for me |
| 22:16.32 | vimpulse | RedMushroom: I used whatever firmware Toshiba recommends for the PSAA2C-LE100F. why do you think the firmware I used is wrong? |
| 22:16.46 | RedMushroom | could be |
| 22:16.54 | enouf | grabs bl4ckcomb^afk and hurls him into the circus |
| 22:17.01 | RedMushroom | ducks |
| 22:17.15 | vimpulse | enouf: which issues need to be addressed first? |
| 22:17.23 | enouf | vimpulse: your BIOS |
| 22:17.30 | vimpulse | enouf: ah. fair. |
| 22:17.37 | enouf | vimpulse: google and wikipedia,org IML |
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| 22:18.14 | enouf | vimpulse: and .. your OTHER OSes and possible Diag/Restore partitions .. i will NOW look at your paste |
| 22:18.32 | bl4ckcomb^afk | throws his nintendo wii at enouf. piece of junk... |
| 22:18.42 | bl4ckcomb^afk | bye & gn |
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| 22:18.59 | RedMushroom | see, i'm thinking this because a check sum error tells me that the bios tried to add up some figures, and found an error. you really need to find what that error is |
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| 22:19.49 | vimpulse | RedMushroom: I thought "cmos checksum bad" is fine to see one time after you reflash your BIOS. Right? |
| 22:20.34 | RedMushroom | you haven't tried rebooting? |
| 22:20.57 | vimpulse | RedMushroom: yes, all these problems have gone on for weeks or months. I have rebooted many times since. |
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| 22:21.21 | RedMushroom | ok. well, whatever it is can't be all that bad. does it actually do anything when this pops up? |
| 22:21.56 | RedMushroom | or is it just some line that shows on the screen for a few seconds? |
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| 22:23.05 | enouf | vimpulse: ok .. listen - use cfdisk or any other (sfdisk, fdisk, parted) and alter sda1 from 'b' to 'c' ... cfdisk has a table printout for you ...hit [Type] |
| 22:23.24 | enouf | vimpulse: also - run "file -s /dev/sda1" |
| 22:23.26 | vimpulse | RedMushroom: IIRC it said it one time after I reflashed, then said "Press F2 to enter Setup". I did, it loaded the defaults, then I saved and exited. |
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| 22:24.03 | enouf | vimpulse: try hard .. i know it is .. try .. to stop thinking in windows/DOS terms |
| 22:24.16 | RedMushroom | what i'm asking is if this prevents your system from booting without intervention? |
| 22:24.46 | enouf | vimpulse: unfortunatley BIOSes are Still fucken just as proprietary as nvidia and ati drivers!@ |
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| 22:24.52 | RedMushroom | do you have to push any buttons before the OS loads? |
| 22:24.59 | enouf | RedMushroom: please chill |
| 22:25.15 | mats | where can i get the packages for ESD sound? |
| 22:25.28 | vimpulse | enouf: to change my Windows partition to LBA? I can do that but if I may ask, why might it make any difference? |
| 22:25.28 | mats | which packages do i need |
| 22:25.31 | enouf | vimpulse: BIOS "defaults" are not always apropos |
| 22:25.58 | enouf | vimpulse: because your Disk is larger than 8.4GB |
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| 22:26.47 | vimpulse | enouf: /dev/sda1: x86 boot sector |
| 22:26.47 | enouf | vimpulse: do you know the ATA 28bit limitation? |
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| 22:26.47 | enouf | vimpulse: not good |
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| 22:27.20 | vimpulse | enouf: the Windows partition is only 4.5GB. Do you want me to change the type anyway? If I may ask, which of my four problems might this help to fix? |
| 22:27.25 | enouf | vimpulse: wait .. what OS is on sda1? XPoop? Win98? |
| 22:27.31 | vimpulse | enouf: WinXP I think. |
| 22:27.39 | enouf | vimpulse: doesn't matter |
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| 22:27.48 | vimpulse | enouf: no, I don't know about the 28bit limitation. |
| 22:27.56 | enouf | vimpulse: then do what i said |
| 22:28.08 | amphi | takes a deschutes guy... |
| 22:28.09 | enouf | google 48bitLBA |
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| 22:28.56 | enouf | amphi: i am going to one day meet you .. and drink you uner the table .. my good friend ;-) |
| 22:29.07 | enouf | heh .. "uner" |
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| 22:29.21 | amphi | sounds right ;) |
| 22:29.29 | enouf | hahaha |
| 22:29.30 | vimpulse | enouf: I am worried that even if I use sfdisk to do it, that sfdisk may make more changes than just changing that partition's partition type. |
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| 22:30.02 | enouf | vimpulse: then make backups! |
| 22:30.07 | enouf | like all of us do! |
| 22:30.31 | enouf | vimpulse: sfdisk -d /dev/sda > partition.table,backup |
| 22:30.58 | enouf | vimpulse: please - read the man pages .. or something |
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| 22:32.08 | enouf | vimpulse: i'm trying to be very helpful to you .. i saw you sincerely trying to help that "cn" / "zh" fellow some hours back . |
| 22:32.24 | vimpulse | enouf: I just did sudo sfdisk -d /dev/sda > sfdisk.bak |
| 22:32.26 | enouf | vimpulse: time .. you need to read |
| 22:32.34 | enouf | if you like |
| 22:32.47 | vimpulse | enouf: now I will try to use parted to change the type, since sfdisk makes it difficult |
| 22:33.08 | enouf | know that you store it where you can easily get at it fron a LiveCD boiot or whatevewr |
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| 22:33.23 | vimpulse | enouf: ok, done |
| 22:33.25 | enouf | vimpulse: no it doesn't |
| 22:33.28 | enouf | ok |
| 22:33.50 | enouf | it's not clear --- but not difficult ;-) |
| 22:33.59 | vimpulse | enouf: ok, fair :) |
| 22:34.05 | vimpulse | enouf: now what do you recommend I do next? |
| 22:34.29 | frostschutz | I use sfdisk for backup / restore (and editing the backup file) - and cfdisk for everything else ;) |
| 22:34.29 | vimpulse | enouf: thanks for the compliment about the zh guy. |
| 22:34.39 | enouf | vimpulse: well .. hrm .. might reboot .. BUT .. does "file -s /dev/sda" say the same? |
| 22:34.45 | enouf | np |
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| 22:35.09 | Piet_ | so i have a new pc with every part being new but the drives. it keeps failing every hour or two, and the mdadm raid1 gets degraded and must resync. how should i go about finding the root cause? |
| 22:35.15 | vimpulse | enouf: I did file -s /dev/sda1 last time. It still says "/dev/sda1: x86 boot sector |
| 22:35.17 | enouf | vimpulse: also, does fdisk -lu show sda1 as Start sector 1 ? |
| 22:35.32 | Piet_ | (the old system was stable), but quite different in term sof hardware. |
| 22:35.42 | vimpulse | enouf: sudo file -s /dev/sda says "/dev/sda: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0xc, active, starthead 32, startsector 2048, 8800256 sectors; partition 2: ID=0x83, starthead 1, startsector 8803683, 39070080 sectors; partition 3: ID=0x5, starthead 0, startsector 75907125, 41303115 sectors". |
| 22:36.41 | vimpulse | enouf: no, it says start sector 2048, but fdisk -l says start cylinder 1. |
| 22:36.59 | enouf | vimpulse: i think .. not good .. you want starthead 01 .. seee .. all wrong since " partition 2: ID=0x83, starthead 1" |
| 22:37.10 | enouf | vimpulse: no - bad |
| 22:37.28 | enouf | vimpulse: pastebin ONLY sudo fdisk -lu |
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| 22:37.38 | enouf | or use root user |
| 22:37.45 | infernix | are there any other tools apart from iotop and iostat to find out what is causing processes to do disk io? |
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| 22:38.13 | vimpulse | enouf: I was always root when running all those tools, including when running file(1). ok, will pastebin sudo fdisk -lu |
| 22:38.18 | infernix | i've got a 6 node cluster built with debian lenny, and one of the nodes greatly outperforms the others. the only difference is that this node does way, way less disk IO |
| 22:38.31 | \amethyst | infernix: if you know which processes, strace -p will let you watch their system calls |
| 22:38.34 | enouf | famd? infernix .. gamin? ugh ... how about inotify? |
| 22:38.53 | vimpulse | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/34809/ |
| 22:38.58 | enouf | vimpulse: well .. as root user, you do not need sudo |
| 22:39.01 | infernix | k, thanks, i'll start diggng |
| 22:39.03 | \amethyst | infernix: sysprof might also be handy, but it requires a kernel module |
| 22:39.06 | vimpulse | enouf: i know :) |
| 22:39.10 | enouf | vimpulse: or .. your system is screwed |
| 22:39.30 | infernix | \amethyst: at this point it might be worth it. its a mailscanner cluster. one node does 50 batches in the time that the other nodes take to do 3 |
| 22:39.35 | enouf | vimpulse: well, the "file......" command should not need sudo if you are rootr |
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| 22:39.59 | vimpulse | enouf: i know that too. when I said "I was root" I meant I used sudo. |
| 22:40.12 | \amethyst | infernix: does memory usage look similar? |
| 22:40.23 | enouf | vimpulse: not the same - though a close 2nd |
| 22:40.39 | vimpulse | enouf: ok I am ready to reboot when you tell me to. Which of the four problems might be fixed now? |
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| 22:41.01 | enouf | vimpulse: for example ; try echo 2 /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_ratio |
| 22:41.12 | enouf | vimpulse: try using sudo |
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| 22:41.14 | adama_ | you need > |
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| 22:41.18 | enouf | er |
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| 22:41.21 | enouf | vimpulse: for example ; try echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_ratio |
| 22:41.26 | enouf | adb: still fails |
| 22:41.31 | enouf | adama_: |
| 22:41.37 | enouf | you need |
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| 22:41.53 | vimpulse | enouf: don't worry, i know the difference: the outer shell is not root. |
| 22:41.54 | enouf | sudo sh -c echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_ratio |
| 22:42.15 | vimpulse | enouf: anyway, again: which of the four problems might be fixed now? :) |
| 22:42.20 | enouf | vimpulse: why fight me? |
| 22:42.30 | vimpulse | enouf: i am not trying to fight. |
| 22:42.41 | enouf | then be specific please |
| 22:42.43 | infernix | \amethyst: totally, diff'ed the entire /etc dir, no important differences |
| 22:42.47 | vimpulse | enouf: i agree that being root is not exactly the same as using sudo. |
| 22:42.57 | vimpulse | enouf: be specific about what? |
| 22:43.11 | enouf | about 'id' == 0 |
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| 22:44.01 | vimpulse | enouf: I was always using sudo when running all those tools, including when running file(1). |
| 22:44.12 | enouf | you ran a "file........." command earlier and you said you were "root" |
| 22:44.23 | enouf | gah |
| 22:44.24 | vimpulse | enouf: ok now i was specific. now could you please answer my more recent question? :) |
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| 22:45.43 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.14 | enouf | oh .. did i say sda1 ? sorry .. |
| 22:46.32 | vimpulse | enouf: you did. Don't worry about the confusion. |
| 22:46.46 | enouf | vimpulse: what was your recent question? |
| 22:46.55 | vimpulse | enouf: ok I am ready to reboot when you tell me to. Which of the four problems might be fixed now? |
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| 22:47.45 | enouf | vimpulse: i think .. the disk might see beyond the 8.4 GB limit .. or .. beyond WHEVER that EXT'D DOS partition resides |
| 22:48.05 | vimpulse | enouf: but which problem might that fix? |
| 22:48.40 | enouf | vimpulse: i'm having issues with 1 -> 4 .. all i know is sda1 is NOT correct - to me means a corrupted MBR |
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| 22:49.13 | enouf | vimpulse: with a corrupt MBR/MPT .. nothing will work right |
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| 22:49.28 | vimpulse | enouf: surely it will not fix problem 3? |
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| 22:49.56 | enouf | vimpulse: please remind me ... and ... do so for all .. 1 through 4 |
| 22:50.17 | enouf | vimpulse: as i said "airmail me that sucker" ;-) |
| 22:50.33 | vimpulse | enouf: 1. ATA timeouts. 2. BIOS ignoring boot order choices. 3. problems reading/writing USB. 4. partition table problems. |
| 22:50.35 | enouf | the magic is within |
| 22:50.50 | enouf | forget 3 |
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| 22:51.15 | enouf | vimpulse: concentrate on 2 foremost |
| 22:51.46 | enouf | vimpulse: does that thing have a DVD drive? |
| 22:51.53 | vimpulse | enouf: ok. so I should reboot and see if the BIOS now handles boot order properly? |
| 22:51.59 | vimpulse | enouf: yes, it has a DVD |
| 22:52.21 | vimpulse | enouf: BTW, IIRC the BIOS ignores my boot order choices even after I remove the HDD. |
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| 22:52.58 | vimpulse | enouf: when I then insert a bootable CD and a bootable USB stick, it does not let me choose which it should boot from: it makes its own choice. |
| 22:53.05 | enouf | vimpulse: well .. a) yes .. but b) i doubt it will solve much .. just a minor correction .. and c) make backups of important data to your DVDs then wipe disk ;-) |
| 22:53.20 | enouf | or install new disk |
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| 22:54.18 | vimpulse | enouf: would it be good enough for me to use gpart or testdisk instead? |
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| 22:54.50 | enouf | vimpulse: i mean really .. i could fuck with that POS toshiba for weeks .. is it worth it? are you that broke? do you really need portability? |
| 22:55.35 | enouf | testdisk, AFAIK, had "photorec" for "recovering" data .. might as well us gddrecue |
| 22:56.00 | vimpulse | enouf: no, I am not that broke, though I am underemployed and very thrifty. I can switch to a different laptop; I have another spare with a broken AC adapter. Or I can buy a whole new laptop. |
| 22:56.06 | enouf | "gpart" is a partition guessing tool |
| 22:56.22 | enouf | it's not one of the 2 gparteds |
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| 22:56.39 | enouf | which is a) gnome parted and b) gnu parted |
| 22:57.07 | vimpulse | enouf: i know. So you think I should not use a partition guessing tool? |
| 22:57.23 | enouf | vimpulse: thrifty? have you even noticed what i said about the hardware i run (and where i get it from) ? |
| 22:57.33 | enouf | no |
| 22:57.54 | vimpulse | enouf: "no" to what? :) |
| 22:57.55 | enouf | er |
| 22:57.56 | enouf | yes |
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| 22:58.09 | enouf | should NOT threw me |
| 22:58.22 | enouf | vimpulse: backups!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:58.27 | vimpulse | enouf: I have backups |
| 22:58.29 | enouf | wipe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:58.30 | vimpulse | enouf: they are old |
| 22:58.39 | enouf | !!! |
| 22:58.39 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 22:58.46 | llimeht | !tape backups |
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| 22:59.03 | vimpulse | enouf: ok, I hear your advice to wipe. |
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| 22:59.18 | vimpulse | enouf: once I wipe, how can I prevent my partition table from getting messed up again? |
| 22:59.28 | enouf | vimpulse: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=4M will wipe your HDD in no time ;-) |
| 22:59.45 | enouf | vimpulse: partition it correctly |
| 22:59.55 | enouf | 4 primaries only .. for now |
| 23:00.02 | vimpulse | enouf: why no logicals? |
| 23:00.15 | enouf | vimpulse: Ext'd SACK ASS! |
| 23:00.20 | enouf | er SUCK |
| 23:00.43 | vimpulse | enouf: why are they bad? |
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| 23:00.54 | uman | Hello all |
| 23:00.57 | vimpulse | hi |
| 23:01.14 | uman | I'd like to set x-www-browser to point to my self-compiled Firefox trunk build |
| 23:01.29 | uman | but obviously that's not registered as an option for update-alternatives |
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| 23:02.01 | uman | is there a way to add new programs to the list of possible alternatives so that I can manage them with update-alternatives? |
| 23:02.07 | enouf | vimpulse: you seem to be living the reality answer to your own question |
| 23:02.17 | vimpulse | enouf: fair :) |
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| 23:02.34 | enouf | uman: man update-alternatives |
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| 23:02.46 | vimpulse | enouf: have you seen multiple other people with problems with ext'd partitions before? |
| 23:02.49 | enouf | it has a way to do so - but .. it's a bit tricky |
| 23:03.03 | enouf | vimpulse: i've "lived" them |
| 23:03.20 | vimpulse | enouf: fair :) |
| 23:03.30 | enouf | is tanned |
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| 23:04.15 | enouf | vimpulse: i need to retreat a while .. maybe some other time |
| 23:04.24 | vimpulse | enouf: thanks for all your help. |
| 23:04.28 | enouf | we shall continue this .. er .. saga |
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| 23:04.30 | vimpulse | *thanks a lot |
| 23:04.33 | enouf | no prob |
| 23:04.36 | vimpulse | enouf: ok, ttyl |
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| 23:07.20 | uman | and what is the difference between gnome-www-browser, x-www-browser, and the browser selected in "Preferred Applications"? |
| 23:07.23 | uman | In which situations is each one used? |
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| 23:09.20 | dondelelcaro | uman: sensible-browser uses gnome-www-browser if gnome is running, x-www-browser otherwise, but obeys BROWSER first. |
| 23:09.57 | uman | dondelelcaro: what is BROWSER? |
| 23:10.04 | dondelelcaro | uman: an environmental variable |
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| 23:11.12 | uman | dondelelcaro: and what am I modifying when I change the setting in Preferred Applications? |
| 23:11.31 | dondelelcaro | uman: of gnome? gnome-www-browser, I think |
| 23:11.36 | dondelelcaro | (but I don't use gnome) |
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| 23:12.35 | uman | okay, thanks |
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| 23:13.52 | uman | actually, changing the setting in Preferred Applications changes neither x-www-browser nor gnome-www-browser, nor the $BROWSER environment variable... I just tried it. |
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| 23:20.14 | Debian | Hi i'm new to debian and i need to install Java on Ice Weasel |
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| 23:21.00 | matt7676 | is it possible to have a WNIC in ad-hoc mode and managed mode at the same time? |
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| 23:21.27 | llimeht | dpkg: tell Debian_New about install java |
| 23:21.33 | Debian_New | tell me |
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| 23:22.33 | Debian_New | i want to install the java sun non free plugin |
| 23:22.40 | Debian_New | how can i do? |
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| 23:23.10 | llimeht | Debian_New: check the instructions that the dpkg bot just sent you. You need to install the sun-java6-plugin package. |
| 23:23.34 | Debian_New | yes i need to install it but i don't know what to do |
| 23:23.45 | Debian_New | i tried before but i failed |
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| 23:24.32 | spanglesontoast | does anyone know why theres no way to add a wpa2 key? |
| 23:24.50 | llimeht | Debian_New: how did it fail? Perhaps pastebin the command(s) you used and the entire output. /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:25.51 | Debian_New | i can't understand you |
| 23:25.58 | Debian_New | i have debian since yesterday.. |
| 23:26.06 | Debian_New | i'm new debian user |
| 23:26.31 | llimeht | Debian_New: you said "I tried before but i failed". Exactly what did you try? How did it fail? |
| 23:26.41 | Debian_New | i do |
| 23:26.47 | Debian_New | apt-get install package |
| 23:28.05 | llimeht | Debian_New: you need to tell us *exactly* what you typed and what the answer was. Run it again and paste the results into the paste.debian.net website. |
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| 23:36.11 | Manoj | I guess the docs for kernel-package need to be made clearer |
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| 23:36.43 | Manoj | people seem to be still confused about the fact that end user action now needs to be taken for any postprocessing of the kernel images |
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| 23:41.01 | flower | tried to set multiple pbuilders, but got |
| 23:41.03 | flower | E: Couldn't download Release! |
| 23:41.04 | flower | E: cdebootstrap failed |
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| 23:41.23 | dondelelcaro | flower: what do you mean by multiple pbuilders? |
| 23:41.29 | flower | I want to set DIST=hardy |
| 23:41.42 | flower | to be able to build for sid and hardy |
| 23:41.43 | Manoj | err, that is not a debian release |
| 23:42.03 | flower | I know |
| 23:42.03 | Manoj | so DIST=Hardy failure is not unexpected |
| 23:42.23 | dondelelcaro | flower: then do something like pbuilder --create --basepath /path/to/foo --debootstrapopts blahblabblah |
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| 23:42.52 | dondelelcaro | flower: man pbuilder; (or cowbuilder) for details. |
| 23:42.54 | Manoj | is there a way to say use debootstrap instead of cdebootstrap? |
| 23:43.04 | dondelelcaro | Manoj: --deboostrap debootstrap |
| 23:43.09 | Manoj | I have seen cdebootstrap fail when deboostrap worked |
| 23:43.16 | d-b | morning |
| 23:43.23 | Manoj | worth a try, at least |
| 23:43.27 | d-b | * wrong channel |
| 23:43.27 | llimeht | debootstrap has configs for the "hardy" target |
| 23:43.49 | dondelelcaro | Manoj: yeah; usually it's a bug in cdebootstrap or cowbuilder in my experience; haven't run into one lately |
| 23:43.50 | Manoj | does not use pbuilder. virtual machines and ssh seem faster |
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| 23:44.26 | dondelelcaro | Manoj: pbuilder+cowbuilder is pretty fast; with virtual machines you still have to deal with the chroot teardown |
| 23:44.43 | Manoj | what chroot teardown? |
| 23:45.04 | dondelelcaro | Manoj: do you just snapshot and build? or start a whole new VM? |
| 23:45.05 | d-b | build the debian os, outside of the vm if possible then chroot in fix up what you want, prep it for the vm and just move the filesystem into that ^^ |
| 23:45.19 | llimeht | cowbuilder+etch is a world of pain now though.... ;( It's OK with lenny ... for the time being |
| 23:45.30 | dondelelcaro | llimeht: works fine with etch here |
| 23:45.31 | Manoj | dondelelcaro: I use UML and copy-on-write |
| 23:45.39 | Manoj | and fire up a fresh VM for each build |
| 23:45.39 | dondelelcaro | Manoj: ah, ok. |
| 23:45.42 | llimeht | llimeht: sid-on-etch? |
| 23:45.51 | llimeht | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
| 23:46.09 | dondelelcaro | llimeht: you mean building stuff on sid using etch's pbuilder? |
| 23:46.32 | dondelelcaro | Manoj: ah; yeah, I imagine the overhead of that is quite a bit larger than cowbuilder... but whatever works |
| 23:47.16 | Manoj | dondelelcaro: well, perhaps. but it is cleaner. And my VM's run SELinux in enforcing mode |
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| 23:47.28 | Manoj | dondelelcaro: in a chroot, something nasty can break the jail |
| 23:47.38 | llimeht | dondelelcaro: no, building stuff in a sid chroot on an etch machine using cowdancer. With backported cowdancer it worked ok for a while but a combination of a new libc and big changes in cowdancer seem to have killed that possibility now. |
| 23:47.43 | flower | dondelelcaro: how do you use deboostrap instead of cdebootstrap? |
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| 23:47.57 | dondelelcaro | flower: with --debootstrap debootstrap; man pbuilder |
| 23:48.03 | jdahm | do the new netinstall cds not have support for netinstalls? Haha... I can't seem to make it let me specify a mirror |
| 23:48.36 | dondelelcaro | Manoj: true; if that's a concern, VMs are the way to go. ['course, if you're eventually uploading to the archive such things, that shouldn't be a concern...] |
| 23:48.59 | abrotman | jdahm: if it can't find a usable network, it won't ask you to setup a mirror |
| 23:49.13 | dondelelcaro | llimeht: that's always going to be rather tricky |
| 23:49.13 | Manoj | dondelelcaro: SELinux helps me discover nasty things the build could be doing _before_ I upload |
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| 23:49.36 | dondelelcaro | Manoj: true; would be interesting to see the configuration files and everything for your setup |
| 23:49.44 | jdahm | abrotman: no, I setup the network just fine, and I keep going with installation past partitioning and it still hasn't asked me for a mirror and then fails when it tries to install the base system |
| 23:50.01 | dondelelcaro | llimeht: newer libc6's make different calls and require different tricks do do what cowdancer does. Being a stable release behind and trying to do tricks with sid is always going to be failure-prone. |
| 23:50.07 | abrotman | jdahm: it should be able to get the base system from the CD |
| 23:50.23 | llimeht | dondelelcaro: yeah, it worked fine with backporting cowdancer for quite a while... up until about a month ago iinm. But I killed off the last etch box on which I was doing such building the other day. |
| 23:50.31 | jdahm | abrotman: hrm, well then thats the problem. I have the lenny 5.0.1 netinstall amd64 |
| 23:50.46 | Manoj | dondelelcaro: I've been bloggin about some of my cvs-pkg stuff |
| 23:50.53 | jdahm | for some reason it took a REALLY long time to load the initrd and kernel though. Maybe thats connected to the problem? |
| 23:51.22 | abrotman | jdahm: i'd guess you'd be able to go into the target and manually setup the source |
| 23:51.23 | d-b | is debian 5.0.1 able to be installed in xen 64bit environments yet ? |
| 23:51.31 | d-b | *officially* |
| 23:51.36 | dondelelcaro | Manoj: yeah, I saw that. if you mentioned your build setup, I must have missed it |
| 23:51.48 | dondelelcaro | d-b: you mean 5.0r1? it should work. |
| 23:52.11 | d-b | dondelelcaro: apparently the 2.6.26 kernel with lenny wasn't supported on release tho. |
| 23:52.16 | flower | dondelelcaro: doesn't work here |
| 23:52.32 | jdahm | abrotman: ugh. Well I'll log back on when I try it again later or tomorrow. My partition setup is quite complicated and I guess it doesn't like that as well. |
| 23:52.48 | abrotman | jdahm: it should remember the partitioning? |
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| 23:53.38 | llimeht | dondelelcaro: tbh, I was surprised that it worked for as long as it did... glibc 2.3->2.7 was a fair effort to keep it working at all. |
| 23:54.17 | dondelelcaro | d-b: considering that we've had the 2.6.26 xen kamd64 xen kernels for quite some time, I don't know where you're reading that |
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| 23:54.56 | d-b | dondelelcaro: um about 5 weeks ago max, a friend was telling me. |
| 23:55.05 | jdahm | abrotman: sorry my version of weechat doesn't seem to have support for switching tabs :P |
| 23:55.23 | abrotman | that's a crappy client .. |
| 23:55.27 | dondelelcaro | d-b: well, your friend probably doesn't know what they're talking about |
| 23:55.40 | jdahm | abrotman: what clients do you suggest then? |
| 23:55.41 | d-b | dondelelcaro: nope its on the debian wiki |
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| 23:55.56 | abrotman | jdahm: lots of people use irssi or xchat |
| 23:56.02 | d-b | lenny will only include 32bit pae kernel support... which means there is no installer support for 64bit guests. |
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| 23:56.21 | d-b | mmm? that doesn't sound right. |
| 23:56.24 | d-b | http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 23:56.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | did any toolset like winetools / wine-doors make it into debian repros? |
| 23:56.49 | Manoj | dondelelcaro: well, I can post some of the build setup, but it will change as I write vcs-pkg. I have a script that can cater to cvs, svn, arch, hg, git, and bzr5, and caters to .debian and .sprc files, though it does very little so far |
| 23:56.55 | jdahm | abrotman: yes I normally use irssi but I heard it's pretty much stopped development and weechat has more features now. It is just that I have a version running on darwin thats not supposed to run on |
| 23:57.16 | abrotman | jdahm: more features .. no way to change channels .. yeah, got it |
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| 23:57.46 | jdahm | abrotman: no I swear it's the crappy terminal emulation. Hehe anyway, have a great rest of the day. I'll be back later |
| 23:57.47 | dondelelcaro | d-b: we have -xen kernels which should function as both dom0 and domU for amd64. I haven't run them personally, but they're supposed to work |
| 23:57.53 | Manoj | and this version of vcs-pkg iswritten knowing it will be thrown away |
| 23:58.11 | d-b | dondelelcaro: yeah my friend got it working, but he was doing a few steps extra to the normal install. |
| 23:58.33 | abrotman | jdahm: yeah .. i see what you mean .. almost dead .. just had a release this month |
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| 23:59.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | you often talk to ghosts? |
