| 00:00.12 | dondelelcaro | uh... if 100K is a big deal, you've got issues |
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| 00:00.55 | dondelelcaro | I mean, 4G is oodles of space... |
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| 00:01.05 | jpinx-eeepc | dondelelcaro: ok - thanks for the help. I'll look more at ssmtp first 'cos aptitude install -s shows it will take 0kbs |
| 00:01.32 | jpinx-eeepc | dondelelcaro: -s install nullmailer showed almost 300Kbs |
| 00:01.49 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
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| 00:03.06 | hackerposeidon_ | e ai pessoal |
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| 00:03.43 | hackerposeidon_ | eu tenho algumas duvidas em relacao ao debian alguem pode me ajudar |
| 00:04.03 | dondelelcaro | !es |
| 00:04.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:04.17 | dondelelcaro | !pt |
| 00:04.17 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 00:04.24 | dondelelcaro | rather, didn't pay attention there. |
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| 00:07.59 | adb | btw , Size: and Installed-Size: of a package seems used different units |
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| 00:09.11 | adb | i.e apt-cache show nullmailer |grep Si |
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| 00:13.08 | eldowan | Using amarok 1.4.10 on lenny and testing, I cannot play any file with more than 260 characters in the path to the file. It seems that amarok truncates the path at 260. However, the problem does not exist on amarok 1.4.4 on etch |
| 00:13.34 | eldowan | Is this a common problem? I cannot find any information online. |
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| 00:14.50 | Polarina | eldowan: Correction, 255 characters. |
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| 00:15.02 | Tramp | apt-cache show bash shows me the Tag "scope::utility", But aptitude search '?tag(scope::utility)' doesn't show anything. Do I get the syntax wrong somehow? |
| 00:15.12 | eldowan | Polarina:no, in my case is it 260 characters |
| 00:15.20 | Polarina | eldowan: Then I cannot explain it. |
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| 00:16.11 | eldowan | Polarina: I thought 255 also. The only information I can gather that is similar is apparantly with quicktime. xp path limit is 255, but vista path limit is 260. It is really odd. I know for a fact that 1.4.4 on etch can do 271 easily |
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| 00:16.54 | Polarina | Anything above 255 is not very likely to work on many programs. |
| 00:18.24 | eldowan | Polarina: well that sure is unfortunate. I would have figured that it would be more like 32k by now. Oh well. |
| 00:19.20 | Polarina | eldowan: The filesystem might support it, but some wicky programs don't. |
| 00:19.48 | Tramp | length of a single argument is usually limited to 128k (32 pages of memory a 4k each). total size of argument-line is virtually unlimited |
| 00:19.57 | eldowan | Polarina: True, but it is still weird to find a regression like this. I just dont know if it is specific to debian or universal to amarok |
| 00:20.12 | Polarina | eldowan: This is most likely Amarok. |
| 00:20.44 | eldowan | Polarina: I'll check out their channel again. Thanks for your help |
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| 00:21.32 | simonrvn | Tramp: innit ~tag ? |
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| 00:26.07 | eshaase | i want to extract a DTS audio track from a .mkv file and transcode it to aac/ac3, what would be the best way to go about doing something like this? |
| 00:26.32 | Tramp | simonrvn: sorry, don't get you. I have to initialize a Tag-Database first? |
| 00:26.34 | eldowan | eshaase: mplayer input.mkv -dumpstream -dumpaudio audiofile.dts ? |
| 00:26.54 | amphi | eshaase: can't mencoder do it? |
| 00:27.19 | simonrvn | Tramp: no, in apitutde. i'm not familiar with the ? syntax (i'm no expert either) |
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| 00:28.13 | eldowan | eshaase: on re-read, mencoder would probably be a better method. I initially thought you just wanted to extract. |
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| 00:28.28 | Tramp | simonrvn: ah, ok. me neither :) - but I think it's either "?tag(regexp)" or "~Gregexp" as shortcut. That's how I understand it. |
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| 00:29.52 | jimi_hendrix | the custom kernel i was given did not work, i will try another distro, thank you |
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| 00:30.28 | simonrvn | ok |
| 00:31.04 | adb | simonrvn: ;) |
| 00:31.10 | kfb31 | Debian is lame and is to be blamed for the windows-like spawn as Ubuntu and also the openssl fiasco shows the debian development model to be stupid. Linux nowadays is for bitches it is the poor man's windows (since most popular linux disros are windows-like now). Use slackware or a 64 bit slackware clone, NetBSD, FreeBSD or OpenBSD or just kill yourself k. thanx |
| 00:32.01 | simonrvn | kfb31: look who's talking |
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| 00:32.23 | eshaase | eldowan: i do just want the audio track |
| 00:32.36 | eshaase | amphi: i don't believe mencoder does audio-only encodes |
| 00:32.58 | eldowan | eshaase: you can use ffmpeg. |
| 00:33.18 | amphi | eshaase: why not? -ovc copy -oac blah -o outfile infile |
| 00:33.33 | amphi | eshaase: or do you want just the audio in a file? |
| 00:33.39 | eldowan | amphi: a standalone audio file is the destination |
| 00:34.27 | \amethyst | eshaase: mplayer -dumpaudio foo.movie -dumpfile foo.mp3 |
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| 00:35.09 | amphi | eldowan: then what you said ;) -dumpaudio to somefile, and reencode that |
| 00:35.20 | Tramp | hmm. ok after installing the optional package "debtags" it works. Don't know if something was missing or misconfigured previously |
| 00:36.25 | eshaase | amphi: because mencoder doesn't do mkv containers |
| 00:36.40 | eldowan | eshaase: does mplayer play the mkv? |
| 00:36.47 | eshaase | eldowan: ffmpeg seg faults when i extract dts tracks, theres a bug |
| 00:36.48 | freaky_t | what intrusion detection system should I use? |
| 00:36.54 | eshaase | eldowan: yep |
| 00:36.57 | simonrvn | ah yeh, you need debtags for that. didn't think to check.... |
| 00:36.58 | freaky_t | snort/aide + tripwire? |
| 00:37.02 | eldowan | eshaase: does -dumpaudio not work? |
| 00:37.18 | eshaase | eldowan: i'll try that |
| 00:37.22 | simonrvn | freaky_t: the one that you like, that does the job you expect. |
| 00:37.37 | eldowan | eshaase: you'll need the syntax as shown above. that should give you something. |
| 00:37.38 | Tramp | simonrvn: well, but neither aptitude reference nor manpage seem to mention that little fact |
| 00:37.40 | freaky_t | simonrvn i dont like any yet that's why im asking ;D |
| 00:37.45 | freaky_t | simonrvn can u recommend any? |
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| 00:38.05 | simonrvn | snort is popular... |
| 00:38.10 | Tramp | nor do you get some error/message pointing you in the right direction |
| 00:38.24 | freaky_t | simonrvn ok thank you :D |
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| 00:41.27 | anderson_ | hi |
| 00:41.49 | freaky_t | simonrvn should i also install some tool which looks for changed files ? oO |
| 00:42.03 | eshaase | another thing, what can i use to encode ac3 audio tracks? |
| 00:42.30 | simonrvn | tiger, tripwire, aide, come to mind. pick one or more. |
| 00:42.49 | anderson_ | |
| 00:42.49 | anderson_ | please someone help me |
| 00:42.49 | anderson_ | I come to the Debian world |
| 00:43.45 | anderson_ | |
| 00:43.45 | anderson_ | How do you know if my processor and 32 or 64 bits |
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| 00:44.52 | eldowan | eshaase: -oac lavc -af lavcresample=48000 -lavcopts acodec=ac3:abitrate=192 http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/en/MPlayer.html#menc-feat-vcd-dvd-all-ntsc-dvd |
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| 00:45.11 | anderson_ | please what is the difference between the dvd and cd of debian |
| 00:45.25 | Wyzard | anderson_: The DVD set means fewer discs to burn |
| 00:45.35 | Wyzard | anderson_: There's no difference in the software provided |
| 00:45.38 | eldowan | eshaase: the previous link shows an entire mencoder command to create a dvd complient mpeg, but shows instructions on encoding ac3 |
| 00:46.02 | Wyzard | anderson_: If you have an Internet connection available while installing, you don't need to download the full CD/DVD set |
| 00:48.00 | anderson_ | wyzard: |
| 00:48.00 | anderson_ | understand |
| 00:48.00 | anderson_ | but what can I do then |
| 00:48.00 | anderson_ | I am User of ubuntu, but I see many people speak well of debian |
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| 00:48.32 | Wyzard | !tell anderson_ about netinst |
| 00:48.43 | Wyzard | wonders if that works for someone who isn't in the channel |
| 00:48.57 | adb | too |
| 00:49.02 | asulao | dpkg doesn't like anderson_ |
| 00:49.02 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, asulao |
| 00:49.19 | asulao | mmm xD |
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| 00:54.58 | eshaase | eldowan: i just want the audio though |
| 00:56.06 | eldowan | eshaase: maybe this will help: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/DTS_to_AC3_0 |
| 00:56.33 | eldowan | eshaase: or this: http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-113627.html |
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| 00:58.30 | eshaase | ok, ill check those out, thanks again! |
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| 01:04.54 | octoserver | im surprised things dont take a crap after compiling with qt3 with all of the warnings it throws up :() |
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| 01:07.25 | jetpda | I come home turn on computer, monitor goes out 5 min later. I boot other computer, xorg is magically broke. |
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| 01:07.52 | jetpda | wtf is dri2 |
| 01:10.27 | Manoj | direct rendering interface, version 2 ? |
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| 01:10.54 | kelm | hello |
| 01:12.05 | jetpda | so let me guess... nobody else's sid xorg is broken |
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| 01:13.49 | kelm | anyone know why "| less" cut half on page sometimes? (ex: aptitude search crypt | less) ? |
| 01:14.10 | jetpda | hell i'm nuking eenough boxen atm, what' one more :( |
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| 01:14.44 | amitz | I'd like to create a debian lenny server with all internet services installed? Can someone suggest a size of installation I should prepare? under/overestimation is OK since I can just increase/decrease partition size on the fly. |
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| 01:15.33 | jetpda | less in sid, or ratheer some less extension was broken a few days ago... dunno if that helps though |
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| 01:15.51 | kelm | in lenny jetpda |
| 01:16.04 | amitz | kelm: have you tried "less bla" instead of "bla | less"? how does it work? |
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| 01:16.59 | kelm | yes its work with this usage of less |
| 01:17.06 | Braunne | is there an application to show memory module details? (DDR, speed, etc) |
| 01:17.39 | kelm | but not under pipe, tonight i would like know why :) |
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| 01:17.52 | jetpda | you cn cat/proc/something for that info iiirc |
| 01:17.58 | Polarina | kelm: hardinfo |
| 01:18.40 | kelm | Polarina: you want my hardware list? |
| 01:18.50 | Polarina | kelm: No. That's the name of the program. |
| 01:18.56 | Polarina | kelm: Oh, wrong person. |
| 01:18.56 | Braunne | hardinfo doesnt give the details I need about RAM |
| 01:18.57 | kelm | thinkpad T23 with lenny |
| 01:19.05 | kelm | :) |
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| 01:19.10 | kelm | sorry Polarina |
| 01:19.18 | Polarina | kelm: Not a problem. |
| 01:19.46 | Braunne | kelm: hardinfo doesnt give the type of RAM, for example |
| 01:20.04 | kelm | thx Braunne |
| 01:20.09 | Polarina | Braunne: Check your BIOS. |
| 01:20.27 | Braunne | I was looking for an app under debian really |
| 01:20.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Braunne, "/msg dpkg whats my hardware" and see if you find something that pleases you :) |
| 01:20.51 | jetpda | doesn't say 'open the case' |
| 01:21.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetpda, ooh, shiny! |
| 01:21.47 | jetpda | ihate it though :( |
| 01:21.51 | Braunne | under windows, there is CPU-Z that shows all thr details about memory and motherboard, is there a similar app under debian??? |
| 01:22.03 | jetpda | but better than nothing |
| 01:22.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Braunne, oh... and "/msg dpkg myram" of course (but you saw that on the end of the other factoid) |
| 01:22.17 | kelm | amitz: 'less bla' work on full line but just 'bla | less' doesnt work |
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| 01:22.54 | kelm | amitz: on full line in screen |
| 01:23.21 | kelm | amitz: i have reading the man et try with | more but its the same prb |
| 01:23.34 | adb | kelm: try > search crypt | less --disable-columns |
| 01:24.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | did someone get endnote with word to work under wine... if yes, what versions? |
| 01:24.55 | Braunne | CutMeOwnThroat: Im sorry, but im not understanding what u r saying |
| 01:25.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Braunne, just type "/msg dpkg myram" here in the message-box |
| 01:25.28 | kelm | adb: There is no disable-columns option ("less --help" for help) |
| 01:25.46 | jetpda | cut... #winehq probably more answers |
| 01:25.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you'll get a message from our bot dpkg that is more detailed than what my memory would provide |
| 01:26.02 | adb | kelm: oh, right |
| 01:26.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetpda, yeah... but they'll just complain that I use the debian packages |
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| 01:26.13 | Braunne | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 01:26.26 | jetpda | has no tabkey!!! |
| 01:26.30 | mns | I've just added myself to a couple of groups in /etc/group . Is there a way to have that take effect without logging out and back in ? |
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| 01:27.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetpda, looked UNDER the kbd? |
| 01:27.27 | jetpda | mns maybe man hash but I dunno |
| 01:27.33 | jetpda | haha |
| 01:27.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | mns, no... but you can re-login via ssh |
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| 01:27.57 | mns | duh !! thanks CutMeOwnThroat .. |
| 01:27.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | or somesuch |
| 01:27.59 | kelm | less --version |
| 01:27.59 | kelm | less 418 |
| 01:28.03 | kelm | oups |
| 01:28.06 | adb | kelm: here work in terminal , |
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| 01:28.25 | kelm | adb hu |
| 01:28.44 | Braunne | CutMeOwnThroat: wow... it says that the maximum memory is 4GB when it says the max is 2GB somwhere else. Can i trust this max and get 4GB??? |
| 01:28.51 | kelm | adb: you run with lenny packages? |
| 01:28.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | mns, NOT su -, though... it's not doing a full login... haven't tried bash -ls though (but I think it's the same and won't work) |
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| 01:29.03 | adb | kelm: lenny yes |
| 01:29.27 | kelm | adb: wuu, |
| 01:29.51 | adb | maybe is a screen issue |
| 01:30.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Braunne, no idea... |
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| 01:30.32 | adb | b'cos it open a virtual term here |
| 01:30.42 | ubuntu | !tell |
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| 01:30.55 | adb | #ubuntu |
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| 01:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Braunne, are there hardware limitations other than the number of slots? |
| 01:32.40 | mns | CutMeOwnThroat: actually there is a command called newgrp that you can use. no need to ssh or anything like that. |
| 01:32.47 | jetpda | yep... monitor broke:( .. I get to go down from 19" |
| 01:32.57 | mns | "newgrp - grou_name" and done. |
| 01:33.07 | kelm | adb: do you search this option in your man for me please (i don't have here) |
| 01:33.22 | mns | you just have to make sure that you're a member of the group in both /etc/group and /etc/gshadow |
| 01:33.23 | Braunne | CutMeOwnThroat: I have 2 slots.. and I thought my laptop only used DDR.. and the max of that is 1GB.. but since it says that the maximum capacity is 4GB, that means that it takes DDR2 |
| 01:33.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | mns, right! forgot about that |
| 01:33.34 | kelm | adb: could* (sorry) |
| 01:33.43 | adb | which option ? |
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| 01:33.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Braunne, look up the specs for your laptop? |
| 01:33.46 | jetpda | they have http manpages |
| 01:34.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Braunne, if you're lucky it's got its own wikipedia artikle :-P |
| 01:34.40 | Braunne | CutMeOwnThroat: I did, its DV8000 there is no mention of capacity on the website |
| 01:34.40 | kelm | adb: less --disable-columns |
| 01:34.50 | jetpda | just gpogle man whatever restrict=linux |
| 01:34.51 | adb | thats correct |
| 01:35.00 | jetpda | google |
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| 01:35.45 | adb | aptitude search crypt --disable-columns | less |
| 01:35.51 | kelm | i dont have found this option for less with google |
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| 01:36.13 | jetpda | ooo maybe a pencil... tthe eraser end, to type onthis pos |
| 01:36.15 | Sungem_ | Hi,how do I simulate entering a return(enter) in prompt? |
| 01:36.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Braunne, http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=189990 |
| 01:36.26 | jetpda | cr |
| 01:36.27 | Braunne | CutMeOwnThroat: nevermind, i found it |
| 01:36.34 | Sungem_ | while true ; do \n\r ; sleep 1 ;done |
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| 01:36.41 | jetpda | carriage..no that's win |
| 01:36.46 | Sungem_ | this not working |
| 01:36.47 | Braunne | dmidecode gives false info |
| 01:37.00 | jetpda | line feed I think |
| 01:37.07 | Sungem_ | \n? |
| 01:37.37 | Sungem_ | still not working |
| 01:37.38 | Sungem_ | bash: n: command not found |
| 01:38.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wdywtd Sungem_ |
| 01:38.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | grr |
| 01:38.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | rusty |
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| 01:38.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | whaddayawannado? |
| 01:38.34 | Sungem_ | ? |
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| 01:38.42 | jetpda | !wdywtd |
| 01:38.49 | Sungem_ | what's that |
| 01:38.51 | jetpda | or so |
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| 01:38.54 | Sungem_ | !wdywtd |
| 01:39.13 | jetpda | ignore me |
| 01:39.15 | jetpda | ah |
| 01:39.19 | Pnux | google says: Did you mean: wdywt  |
| 01:39.21 | Pnux | !wdywt |
| 01:39.24 | jetpda | !wayttd |
| 01:39.24 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 01:39.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 01:39.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrong sentence :) |
| 01:39.43 | Sungem_ | simulate entering a return(enter) in prompt |
| 01:39.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | echo |
| 01:39.59 | Sungem_ | in while loop |
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| 01:40.05 | jetpda | in a script or what |
| 01:40.08 | jetpda | ah |
| 01:40.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can probably use 'y' |
| 01:40.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | err 'yes' |
| 01:40.29 | jetpda | sungem #bash |
| 01:40.44 | jetpda | more specific help |
| 01:40.56 | Sungem_ | 09:39 qw@Ibex~ echo \n |
| 01:40.56 | Sungem_ | n |
| 01:40.56 | Sungem_ | 09:40 qw@Ibex~ echo "\n" |
| 01:40.57 | Sungem_ | \n |
| 01:40.57 | Sungem_ | 09:40 qw@Ibex~ echo \n\r |
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| 01:40.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | but really, that's not what you wanted to do |
| 01:41.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh |
| 01:41.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !satisfied customer |
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| 01:41.19 | Sungem_ | sorry |
| 01:41.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | man, my factoid typing sucks today |
| 01:41.37 | jetpda | huh I didn't see the kick |
| 01:41.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !customer |
| 01:41.40 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 01:41.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | there it is :) |
| 01:41.53 | jetpda | !custom.. nm |
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| 01:42.42 | jetpda | !paste |
| 01:42.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 01:43.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I normally check them in a private message before using them |
| 01:43.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | but too lazy today |
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| 01:44.22 | jetpda | ggz |
| 01:44.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok... so I can install the wine from oldstable into my lenny, but it can't run word/endnote either |
| 01:44.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | neither can the one from experimental |
| 01:47.45 | pipeline | CutMeOwnThroat: wine can't run office worth a damn |
| 01:47.53 | pipeline | CutMeOwnThroat: office xp was the last version to really work well |
| 01:47.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, office was fine |
| 01:48.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... until I threw the endnote .dot/macros in |
| 01:49.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | even the dotfile is ok... as long as the stuff doesn't go into the macro file |
| 01:49.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | wine "piece of crap" gives 87,400 google hits |
| 01:49.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | says it all |
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| 01:52.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | well - actually dunno how "fine" it is... as I just want the stuff to be able to communicate with someone using it WITH endnote, it's pointless without |
| 01:53.59 | tolecnal | hmm, mrtg-sensors is said to be in the package mrtgutils on p.d.o, but when I install it, it's not there (D 5.0 AMD64) |
| 01:54.14 | tolecnal | anyone else noticed this? |
| 01:54.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | what says it? |
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| 01:55.19 | tolecnal | hmmm, actually just checked the file listing for the ia64 package, and it's not there, but it's in i386 |
| 01:55.25 | tolecnal | guess there was some compilation problems then |
| 01:55.27 | tolecnal | that sucks |
| 01:55.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | look in changelog? |
| 01:56.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and/or bts |
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| 01:57.18 | kelm | good night all |
| 01:57.39 | tolecnal | neither the bts nor the changelog states anything about it |
| 01:57.56 | tolecnal | ah well, guess I'll write a little bash snippet then |
| 01:58.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird |
| 01:59.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could do apt-get -b source mrtgutils then see if you can reconfigure to build it |
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| 01:59.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you can't, you'll probably also find out why |
| 01:59.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you can, perhaps time to file a bug report |
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| 02:02.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | shoo |
| 02:07.53 | tolecnal | I just downloaded the .tar.gz, and tried to compile it manually and it spits out errors. too few arguments being passed and undeclared identifiers |
| 02:08.26 | tolecnal | both with libsensors-dev and libsensors4-dev |
| 02:08.28 | tolecnal | ah well |
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| 02:08.44 | tolecnal | time for bed now anyway, way too late (again) |
| 02:08.49 | tolecnal | thanks for help |
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| 02:09.59 | anoHito | i run top,i see one of httpd process usage 15% mem,how do i check this out ? |
| 02:10.06 | jpinx-eeepc | where the hell can i find an idiots guide to how mail works in linux - just the basics ? |
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| 02:10.53 | anoHito | oops,i mean it uses 15% of CPU |
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| 02:11.12 | anoHito | while the system CPU usage is 1.0%us or so. |
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| 02:12.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | tolecnal, not the tgz... the package... |
| 02:13.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | tolecnal, apt-get build-essential; apt-get build-dep package; apt-get -b source package (although the -b will build with default options, you'll have to enter the dir and run rules/debian manually if you edit&&change options) |
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| 02:15.08 | tank__ | hello all ! |
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| 02:15.44 | tank__ | i was installing debian with netinstall and it froze at 74%, if i restart will it conitnue from where it was? please help ! |
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| 02:18.11 | tank__ | anyone here? |
| 02:18.27 | sqizzard | no |
| 02:18.33 | tank__ | lol |
| 02:18.37 | tank__ | so much for help |
| 02:18.42 | tank__ | thanks again! |
| 02:19.00 | liable | if you restart the install packages bit it will |
| 02:19.13 | liable | if you restart the installer, it will want to repartition again |
| 02:19.28 | tank__ | so how do i continue where i left off? |
| 02:19.31 | liable | see if there is any errors on vt4 |
| 02:19.40 | tank__ | vt4 ? |
| 02:19.50 | liable | wait for it to time out (can take a while) and just start that bit again |
| 02:19.57 | liable | alt+f4 |
| 02:20.24 | tank__ | ahk, i restart and it came up to the installer boot menu |
| 02:20.28 | tank__ | now i do alt f4? |
| 02:20.53 | liable | you rebooted? |
| 02:20.58 | tank__ | btw, it was @ 74% for like 3 hours |
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| 02:21.02 | tank__ | yea |
| 02:21.34 | liable | oh well, go through the whole thing, and try using the old partition, it doesnt usually seem to work though. |
| 02:21.42 | liable | best off to just start again |
| 02:21.47 | tank__ | !!!!ahhh |
| 02:21.49 | tank__ | lol |
| 02:21.50 | tank__ | this sucks |
| 02:22.12 | tank__ | theres noting i an do? |
| 02:22.17 | tank__ | rescue mode maybe? |
| 02:22.19 | liable | just install a base system, which will download the least amount of packages, then install whatever else you need after |
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| 02:22.31 | tank__ | thats what i was doing |
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| 02:23.43 | tank__ | fudgems |
| 02:23.47 | tank__ | here we go again... |
| 02:24.09 | tank__ | if i use the dvds |
| 02:24.16 | tank__ | do i need all 5 ? or just the 1st one? |
| 02:24.53 | liable | just one should be fine for a normal install, even one cd is enough |
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| 02:25.27 | funyun | anyone have any idea why my videos are always out of sync when i split with avidemux? |
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| 02:28.16 | enouf | no idea - tried "mplayer -autosync {1..30} ..." ? |
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| 02:28.23 | Stanlin | hello camerades |
| 02:28.34 | Stanlin | help!! how to make a live cd from scratch? |
| 02:29.25 | liable | !live |
| 02:29.25 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). |
| 02:29.38 | liable | hmm, i thought that factoid had a wiki link |
| 02:29.52 | liable | the debian wiki does have some live info though, go check it |
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| 02:32.21 | Stanlin | liable: thank you a lot |
| 02:32.25 | Stanlin | i owe you a beer |
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| 02:33.05 | liable | no worries |
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| 02:39.26 | MichelFX | hello, somebody installed emesene2 in Debian lenny? |
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| 02:40.04 | zxd | hi |
| 02:40.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anybody installed emesene2 in lenny |
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| 02:40.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg! |
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| 02:40.25 | zxd | for some reason in debian they decided to add delaycompress option to squid logrotation "Postpone compression of the previous log file to the next rotation cycle. This only has effect when used in combination with compress. It can be used when some program cannot be told to close its logfile and thus might continue writing to the previous log file for some time." |
| 02:40.29 | zxd | to my undestanding this isn't the case with squid -k rotate it dosen't continue writing to the previous logfile |
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| 02:41.04 | MichelFX | sorry |
| 02:41.15 | MichelFX | anybody* |
| 02:41.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I meant |
| 02:41.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anybody use emesene2 |
| 02:41.30 | dpkg | No, no one uses emesene2, not even the people who use it. |
| 02:41.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 02:41.50 | MichelFX | ahh |
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| 02:42.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions emesene |
| 02:42.19 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: emesene -- lenny: 1.0-dist-4 sid: 1.0.1-2 squeeze: 1.0.1-2 |
| 02:42.32 | MichelFX | emesene 1.0.2 is good |
| 02:42.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | what are you running? |
| 02:42.59 | MichelFX | but mu contacts cant see my custom emoticons |
| 02:43.07 | MichelFX | my* |
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| 02:43.54 | MichelFX | Im running 1.0,2 |
| 02:44.19 | charzero | If I have a very very long phrase symmetrically encrypted by GPG to a file key.gpg, can I call gpg to encrypt some file by asking the passphrase for key.gpg and decrypting it and using that as the passphrase to symetrically encrypt some file? |
| 02:44.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... you're running testing, then? |
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| 02:44.53 | MichelFX | yes |
| 02:44.54 | MichelFX | ops |
| 02:44.56 | MichelFX | no |
| 02:44.58 | MichelFX | Stable |
| 02:45.04 | MichelFX | lenny |
| 02:46.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | but there's 1.0-dist-4 in lenny |
| 02:47.26 | bismark | i need to pass through a proxy server using http-replicator 4 beta 2 |
| 02:47.45 | bismark | i think http-rep doesn't have support for that :( |
| 02:47.53 | bismark | any idea? |
| 02:47.53 | MichelFX | Debian:/home/cristiano# apt-cache policy emesene |
| 02:47.55 | MichelFX | emesene: |
| 02:47.57 | MichelFX | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.28 | MichelFX | in emesne show just "Emesene 1.0" |
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| 02:49.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | MichelFX, you probably want "/msg dpkg ssb", then? |
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| 02:51.29 | bpun | anyone knows if debian's efibootmgr is safe? (efivars module is mentioned with apt-cache show efibootmgr) |
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| 02:51.42 | MichelFX | CutMeOwnThroat: this help me? |
| 02:51.45 | bpun | machine is macbook |
| 02:51.55 | anoHito | hello CutMeOwnThroat ,haha |
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| 02:51.55 | MichelFX | I dont know this |
| 02:52.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | MichelFX, lets you safely install the testing/unstable version in stable |
| 02:52.32 | anoHito | does anyone know what does this command work for ? netstat -ant | grep :80 | wc -l |
| 02:52.36 | luke3321 | Hey, I am logging in to a machine via SSH. Is there a way I can execute a graphical program and have it load on a new display on the remote machine? |
| 02:52.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | MichelFX, although so shortly after lennys release you might get away with mixing |
| 02:52.39 | anoHito | it will list what ? |
| 02:53.13 | MichelFX | understand |
| 02:53.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | anoHito, should say "1"? |
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| 02:53.43 | anoHito | CutMeOwnThroat, i dont get is this part netstat -ant | grep :80 |
| 02:53.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | run it? |
| 02:54.00 | jpinx-eeepc | I have installed ssmtp and purged exim. How do I get the system to use the new MTA ? |
| 02:54.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | (without the wc -l bit) |
| 02:54.22 | anoHito | a long list |
| 02:54.50 | anoHito | so with netstat -ant | grep :80 | wc -l ,it will just list the number of how many connecting requesting in total at port 80 at all ? |
| 02:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 02:55.12 | anoHito | i did run netstat -ant | grep :80, i got a long list |
| 02:55.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | it'll count the number of connections using ports starting with 80 |
| 02:55.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | for me it lists http on port 80 and my local proxy on port 8000 |
| 02:55.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | a long list? |
| 02:55.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | how long? |
| 02:55.48 | anoHito | those number of connections are from remote ? |
| 02:55.52 | anoHito | yeah, very long |
| 02:56.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's strange |
| 02:56.04 | anoHito | damn very long i cannot go back to the beginning |
| 02:56.11 | enouf | heh, mine shows one connection |
| 02:56.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be only one |
| 02:56.25 | anoHito | CutMeOwnThroat, i will pipe it and pastebin okay ? |
| 02:56.29 | enouf | anoHito: when that happens | less |
| 02:56.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, apache only has one thread with the open port, all other threads are unpriviliged and go through that one |
| 02:57.09 | luke3321 | So anyone have any ideas as to how to run a program on a X display from the terminal? |
| 02:57.15 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: apache isn't running, and i've seen many apache processes at once anyway |
| 02:57.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | (the reason being apache wants to have a little privileged ports as possible) |
| 02:57.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, yes, there are many apache processes, but only one runs as root and has port 80 |
| 02:57.50 | amphi | luke3321: 'DISPLAY=:0 whatever' (adjust $DISPLAY to taste) |
| 02:57.50 | enouf | ok |
| 02:58.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | luke3321, by starting it? |
| 02:58.25 | luke3321 | amphi: That gives "Error: cannot open display: :1" |
| 02:58.31 | luke3321 | CutMeOwnThroat: Im logging in over ssh |
| 02:58.43 | enouf | xauth issue? |
| 02:58.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | luke3321, do YOU sit at an X display |
| 02:59.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 02:59.20 | amphi | luke3321: where do you want it to display? on the remote, or on your local X server? |
| 02:59.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | (y/n)? |
| 02:59.24 | luke3321 | CutMeOwnThroat: Of course, but I am looking to start the program on the remote computer's X display |
| 02:59.33 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: does dpkg-reconfigure ssmtp do anything? if not, read the docs, i think you need to atleast setup a smarthosr |
| 02:59.40 | enouf | smarthost even |
| 02:59.46 | amphi | luke3321: why do you choose :1 ? |
| 02:59.48 | anoHito | CutMeOwnThroat, here we go ? enouf ,please check ,thanks. http://pastebin.ca/1410067 |
| 03:00.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | luke3321, then just set DISPLAY to :0, it'll be ok if you are the same user as the one who owns the local display |
| 03:00.02 | amphi | luke3321: you want it to run on the second X server on the remote? |
| 03:00.04 | luke3321 | amphi: :0 does the same thing |
| 03:00.31 | amphi | luke3321: are you ssh'd in as the user who's x session it is? |
| 03:00.38 | anoHito | CutMeOwnThroat, enouf ,at that time, i ran netstat -ant | grep :80 | wc -l ,the number was 700+ or so. |
| 03:00.43 | luke3321 | amphi: |
| 03:00.45 | luke3321 | yes |
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| 03:01.09 | amphi | then it should Just Work(tm) |
| 03:01.23 | luke3321 | enouf: You were right, I reinstalled xauth for the 3rd time and it works.... |
| 03:01.45 | luke3321 | Thanks for everyones help |
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| 03:01.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | anoHito, heh, which of those are your IPs? |
| 03:02.00 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: yep - getting there now thanks - reconfigure did some of it, now to read the details of man |
| 03:02.03 | amphi | !worship enouf |
| 03:02.03 | dpkg | genuflects before enouf. "I'm not worthy!" |
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| 03:02.48 | enouf | amphi: :-p |
| 03:03.00 | anoHito | CutMeOwnThroat, enouf , of course the one in the left, server has been configured with 2 public ips, one is 122.xxxx another is 60.xxx |
| 03:03.18 | anoHito | you can see that on the list, the server IPs are stated in the left |
| 03:03.27 | anoHito | the incomings are in the right place. |
| 03:03.28 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: remember, there's all those /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> items too ;-) |
| 03:03.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that apache running? |
| 03:03.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 03:04.03 | enouf | anoHito: all those TIME_WAIT are a bad app gone awry, not cleaning up after itself? |
| 03:04.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, this can all be the same process |
| 03:04.30 | anoHito | enouf, i don't understand. |
| 03:04.52 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: yea - I nearly forgot ;) |
| 03:04.56 | anoHito | enouf, how come the remote connectings have continous ports at their side ? |
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| 03:05.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | anoHito, TIME_WAIT means the connection is probably already dead... but it's not formally closed yet |
| 03:05.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are very vew *active* connections |
| 03:05.23 | Tramp | enouf: no. TIME_WAIT is a normal tcp state. It's ok. |
| 03:05.41 | anoHito | i have asked in httpd channel,some people said that is very normal ,hmmm,just dont get it that how come they are that 100% continous port numbers plus too many of them on the same IP of themsleves. |
| 03:05.54 | amphi | enouf: it's a feature ;) |
| 03:06.15 | Tramp | connections are in TIME_WAIT for the (2*the longest time packets may stray around) - in a nutshell, to avoid conflicting with newly opened connections to the same port |
| 03:06.15 | anoHito | CutMeOwnThroat, but how come the remote started too many connecting requestings ? |
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| 03:06.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | anoHito, it's a busy webserver? |
| 03:06.39 | enouf | Tramp: well. .. ok, but i understand it as what CutMeOwnThroat defined it as; which is not ok to me |
| 03:06.43 | anoHito | a webhosting servers. |
| 03:07.06 | Tramp | no. that's wrong as well. The connection is closed when it's in TIME_WAIT |
| 03:07.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok |
| 03:07.19 | enouf | Tramp: i will concede to yours and CutMeOwnThroat 's superior networking knowledge though |
| 03:07.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see |
| 03:07.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, makes sense |
| 03:07.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://www.developerweb.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2941 |
| 03:08.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | if someone wants to read more :) |
| 03:08.36 | Tramp | I was too lazy to come up with a link :) |
| 03:08.53 | Tramp | rather just lecturing from the top of my head |
| 03:09.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | !start a lazy war |
| 03:09.38 | dpkg | Hey buddy, pass the fsckin pretzels this way! |
| 03:09.58 | Tramp | 2*MSL is, what I meant above, I thought it was 2 minutes, but it's actually apparently 2*2 minutes |
| 03:10.40 | anoHito | Tramp, is there a way to avoid them in the server side ? |
| 03:10.47 | Tramp | anoHito: no |
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| 03:10.53 | Tramp | anoHito: you don't want. It doesn't hurt. |
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| 03:11.02 | anoHito | Tramp, oh ok. |
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| 03:11.23 | Tramp | anoHito: and typically a user's session implies dozens of requests. |
| 03:11.51 | anoHito | I see. so the explaination from #httpd was right about this thread. |
| 03:11.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, but I thought they normally go throught the same connection |
| 03:12.08 | Tramp | so you have dozens of connections, naturally coming from increasing ephemeral ports (since that's the way most OSes assign them) unless they randomize ports |
| 03:12.09 | anoHito | Tramp, CutMeOwnThroat , enouf ,thank you guys. |
| 03:12.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I was wrong with the number of netstat entries, because netstat doesn't care that it all comes from the same process/thread |
| 03:12.56 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: well, that's an http protocol question. 1.0 vs 1.1, Connection: close etc. |
| 03:13.56 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: and even then the browser may spawn multiple threads (I think) to prefetch stuff or increase its throughput |
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| 03:14.46 | ajavid | Need to get 12.3MB of archives. After unpacking 138MB will be used...? good goddamn |
| 03:15.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | good packing ratio! |
| 03:15.15 | ajavid | that is like what 1:11 ratio |
| 03:15.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | locales? |
| 03:15.37 | ajavid | chameleon-cursor-theme comixcursors crystalcursors xcursor-themes |
| 03:15.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | latex style files? |
| 03:15.44 | ajavid | nope, cursors |
| 03:15.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, cursors |
| 03:15.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | who wants those anyway |
| 03:15.59 | ajavid | I do |
| 03:16.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously |
| 03:16.11 | gaintsura | question.... I'm on a Toshiba Satellite A215-S6804 laptop, and laptop tools and toshutils are installed, however debian seems to neglect that I am on a laptop and runs my system at full all the time, wont even let me use my Fn key to turn my brightness up or down, etc... what can I do to fix this? |
| 03:16.12 | ajavid | didn't that just blow your mind or what! |
| 03:16.13 | ajavid | ;) |
| 03:16.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant who, who matters wants those anyway |
| 03:16.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
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| 03:17.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | gaintsura, laptop-mode-tools? |
| 03:17.19 | unop | gaintsura, xbacklight |
| 03:17.30 | ajavid | oh man |
| 03:17.34 | ajavid | my mouse cursors look beautiful |
| 03:17.38 | ajavid | and I didn't even have to restart X |
| 03:17.43 | ajavid | thats even cooler |
| 03:17.48 | gaintsura | CutMeOwnThroat: installed too |
| 03:18.16 | gaintsura | client0:/home/gaintsura# laptop_mode |
| 03:18.16 | gaintsura | Laptop mode enabled, not active [unchanged] |
| 03:18.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | gaintsura, also, cpudyn/cpufreqd/cpufrequtils/powernowd |
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| 03:18.40 | Tramp | gaintsura: which x-driver? |
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| 03:18.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | (not all of them, but one) |
| 03:18.49 | Tramp | or how thoses beasts are called ... |
| 03:19.04 | gaintsura | Tramp: how do I find that out? |
| 03:19.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, which one of all those packages did it? |
| 03:19.33 | ajavid | I dunno |
| 03:19.43 | gaintsura | CutMeOwnThroat: which is the most customizable for me to set what my system does when on battery vs ac? |
| 03:19.46 | ajavid | I'm too hungry to find out and I can smell good food from the kitchen area |
| 03:19.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, actually, I've ignored it until now, but the fan of my laptop never stops since I went to lenny |
| 03:20.04 | Tramp | gaintsura: Driver-entry in the "Device" section of xorg.conf |
| 03:20.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder if the stuff I installed still works |
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| 03:21.03 | gaintsura | fglrx |
| 03:21.04 | aoeu | my sound blaster live card stopped working when i upgraded to lenny. how do i get it to work again? |
| 03:21.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !alsa checklist |
| 03:21.13 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 03:21.18 | Tramp | gaintsura: Dimming the display has never worked with fglrx |
| 03:21.23 | gaintsura | lies |
| 03:21.32 | gaintsura | worked in ubuntu with fglrx |
| 03:21.37 | gaintsura | 8.04 |
| 03:21.57 | Tramp | well, never worked for me in Debian. Main reason I fell back to radeon |
| 03:22.01 | gaintsura | I think its a missed setting |
| 03:22.06 | gaintsura | hm |
| 03:22.58 | gaintsura | ok, well the backlight I'm not so worried about, but I need to be able to control my fan and cpu scale depending on if I'm on battery or not |
| 03:24.43 | Tramp | gaintsura: and before you call me a lier, give me a reference to something where it works, aside of your anecdotal evidence. Googling for "fglrx display brightness" gives dozens of instances where it didn't |
| 03:24.49 | Tramp | liar even |
| 03:26.13 | gaintsura | perhaps its something done differently in ubuntu then.. I dunno |
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| 03:28.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hooray, plugging experimental into stable again |
| 03:28.12 | peteweez | If my modem were usable, it would show up under lspci, no? |
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| 03:29.02 | beardy | peteweez: Hopefully not. |
| 03:29.09 | peteweez | beardy: Oh...good |
| 03:29.18 | peteweez | it does not show up under lspci |
| 03:29.22 | beardy | peteweez: What is this "modem", a PCI modem? Some soundcard playing modem? |
| 03:29.25 | peteweez | now the question is how do I locate it |
| 03:29.32 | peteweez | idk the trash that came with my laptop |
| 03:29.34 | beardy | peteweez: What I mean is, I hope your modem is a real modem instaed.. |
| 03:29.40 | peteweez | probably winmodem |
| 03:29.48 | peteweez | doesn't matter...I can find drivers |
| 03:29.57 | peteweez | I just want to make it send a fax |
| 03:29.58 | beardy | peteweez: Have you run lspci with a couple of -vvvv:s? |
| 03:30.02 | peteweez | no |
| 03:30.27 | peteweez | I don't think my modem is recognized since I can't find it on lspci or lshw-gtk |
| 03:30.35 | Sazpaimon_ | anyone know what channel to go to to discuss licenses (GPL, BSD, etc) |
| 03:30.59 | amitz | Sazpaimon_: try #gnu |
| 03:31.00 | peteweez | I kind of need to find it so that I can figure out which ttyS, if any, it's bonded to |
| 03:31.07 | beardy | peteweez: Do that, it becomes more verbose, check for "modem". Also, like I said, the sound card sections are interesting. Check your chipset, and your laptop model to find out what you should have. |
| 03:31.11 | funyun | someone is helping me write a script. "echo mencoder -ss $1 -endpos $[$2 - $1]" but we need it to calculate time, hh:mm:ss. can anyone help me with that? |
| 03:31.11 | peteweez | (hylafax needs to know) |
| 03:31.22 | peteweez | beardy: I'll give it a shot |
| 03:31.26 | peteweez | a soundcard as a modem? |
| 03:31.31 | peteweez | that sounds like an abomination |
| 03:31.38 | peteweez | makes sense, I guess |
| 03:31.42 | enouf | winmodem |
| 03:31.45 | beardy | peteweez: Might not be bond to any ttyS before having a driver, if it's a w|linmodem, needing software to come to life. |
| 03:31.49 | Sazpaimon_ | amitz, doesnt seem like the best channel for that but i'll give it a shot |
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| 03:32.25 | peteweez | # lspci -vvvvv|grep -i modem |
| 03:32.27 | peteweez | nothing. |
| 03:32.33 | Rusty1 | peteweez: try hwinfo see if it shows up |
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| 03:32.54 | beardy | peteweez: Laptop model? pastebin your lspci output too. |
| 03:33.11 | peteweez | Asus F8VA |
| 03:33.15 | enouf | is it plugged into the usb port? O_p |
| 03:33.22 | peteweez | F8VA B1 |
| 03:33.31 | peteweez | enouf: then it would show up in lspci |
| 03:33.39 | enouf | no it wouldn't |
| 03:33.40 | peteweez | ok installing hwino |
| 03:33.43 | peteweez | *hwinfo |
| 03:33.48 | beardy | No, then it definately would not. |
| 03:33.56 | peteweez | enouf: the USB controllers and their slaves are listed in lspci |
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| 03:34.01 | peteweez | i.e. the mouse shows up there |
| 03:34.02 | beardy | ls_PCI_ |
| 03:34.14 | beardy | No, only the controllers. |
| 03:34.19 | peteweez | yeah but the USB controller is hooked into the pci bus |
| 03:34.20 | enouf | those are not modems peteweez |
| 03:34.26 | peteweez | I know |
| 03:34.51 | peteweez | I'm just saying anything that's hooked into the USB ports shows up in lshw-gtk as a sublevel of the USB controller |
| 03:34.58 | enouf | and also the south bridge .. want to argue some more? the fact is, lsusb is for showing usb connected devices |
| 03:35.25 | funyun | noob here. someone is helping me write a script. "echo mencoder -ss $1 -endpos $[$2 - $1]" but we need it to calculate time, hh:mm:ss. can anyone help me with that? |
| 03:35.26 | enouf | wtf is lshw-gtk? i know lshw |
| 03:35.33 | amitz | funyun: %Y%m%d%H%M%S |
| 03:35.44 | peteweez | enouf: lshw-gtk=lshw for dummies like me |
| 03:35.47 | peteweez | gnome gui |
| 03:36.30 | enouf | funyun: poke around http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php and also see #mplayer |
| 03:36.32 | peteweez | only thing remotely likely under lsusb is "Syntek" |
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| 03:36.39 | peteweez | are they a modem manufacturer? |
| 03:36.53 | jaggz- | I'm not sure if it's kde or something in debian, but when I get the file-selection dialogue box which does the autocompletion, there's a bug. |
| 03:37.03 | jaggz- | If you type the letters it does completion right there on the line, but let's say the last char I hit is completing "/dir/pub" and I just hit "p" -- it completes the path as "/dir/pub" but when I click OK to submit the file it really sends just "/dir/p" |
| 03:37.05 | beardy | peteweez: Why don't you find out.. |
| 03:37.23 | jaggz- | You can see this in web forms when you try to attach a file |
| 03:37.35 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.46 | Braunne | does anyone know similar apps to dmidecode? |
| 03:37.58 | amitz | funyun: ah, misunderstood the question, sorry. |
| 03:38.01 | jaggz- | There's also another bug there -- where it duplicates the name of each file in the list |
| 03:38.19 | peteweez | beardy: nope, syntek is the webcam |
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| 03:38.41 | enouf | Braunne: biosdecode and vbedecode, read-edid, get-edid, parse-edid? |
| 03:38.51 | enouf | Braunne: similar how exactly? |
| 03:38.52 | beardy | peteweez: Possible to paste the lspci output in a pastebin so others can have a look, possibly recognicing the softsoundcard? |
| 03:39.06 | peteweez | sure |
| 03:39.08 | Braunne | enouf: dmidecode -t memory |
| 03:39.13 | enouf | Braunne: lshal | grep smbios can give some similar mild info |
| 03:39.17 | enouf | !myram |
| 03:39.17 | dpkg | from memory, myram is install and run 'dmidecode -t memory' as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools pkg, if available to you (lenny/squeeze/sid), modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed info. For Etch users, try the lm-sensors pkg, and see /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/decode-dimms.pl and other docs. Try 'lshal | grep smbios' to obtain mainboard and BIOS info. |
| 03:39.24 | Braunne | enouf: thanks |
| 03:39.55 | peteweez | http://rafb.net/p/3EaNOH33.html |
| 03:40.11 | peteweez | I don't see anything in there remotely like a modem... |
| 03:40.46 | peteweez | I think I might be SOL |
| 03:40.52 | enouf | i think systool as well as hwinfo and lshw can give you similar info as dmidecode; the decode-dimms script parses the DIMM's SPD chip for info |
| 03:41.34 | peteweez | Just from googling, I can say that it's a winmodem, but I don't know the make or model. |
| 03:41.51 | enouf | see linmodems.org or something? |
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| 03:42.40 | peteweez | - Integrated Intel High Definition Audio chip (Azalia) compliant MDC fax/modem and 10/100/1000 Base T |
| 03:42.47 | peteweez | that's from a product description of the laptop |
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| 03:42.58 | peteweez | I think that means the modem chipset is piggybacked on the audio chip |
| 03:43.03 | peteweez | #$%^!!! |
| 03:43.03 | enouf | yikes |
| 03:43.05 | beardy | Yes. |
| 03:43.09 | beardy | Usually are. |
| 03:43.16 | peteweez | Diagnosis: I'm screwed? |
| 03:43.19 | tux91 | After upgrading to sid network manager applet stopped working. Does anybody know how to fix that? |
| 03:43.29 | beardy | No, probably, but not necessary. |
| 03:44.06 | beardy | tux91: Running sid, you should. |
| 03:44.26 | enouf | peteweez: go through all your BIOS settings .. see if you need to enable the Modem aspect or Sound card aspect or someshit |
| 03:44.34 | tux91 | beardy: should what? |
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| 03:45.03 | adama_ | I'm running squeeze, did a full-upgrade, then relogged and when I start ccsm the buttons that normally configure the plugins, with according labels, do not do anything |
| 03:45.07 | adama_ | http://pastebin.ca/1410078 |
| 03:45.08 | peteweez | enouf: yeah, gonna do some googling about the audio chipset |
| 03:45.11 | peteweez | see if I can find some drivers |
| 03:45.16 | peteweez | intel's usually pretty good about that |
| 03:45.18 | enouf | tux91: try purge removing it, and install an older working version .. perhaps |
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| 03:45.50 | enouf | peteweez: see if modinfo snd-hda-intel lists some parms that can be passed as options to the module |
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| 03:46.01 | tux91 | enouf: well, networkmanager 0.7 works in ubuntu |
| 03:46.16 | gaintsura | arrr cpufreq did not start.. |
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| 03:46.25 | enouf | peteweez: focus also on Azalia and it's id or whatever |
| 03:46.33 | peteweez | no dice on the mod parms |
| 03:46.44 | enouf | tux91: who's talking about ubuntu? |
| 03:46.46 | peteweez | I remember having to screw with that a lot just to get the sound working |
| 03:46.57 | tux91 | enouf: i'm just saying there's no bugs in the package |
| 03:47.15 | tux91 | enouf: it works in other distros, then it should in debian |
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| 03:47.52 | adb | tux91: ato net pravda |
| 03:48.18 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.33 | tux91 | adb: sorry, i don't understand you |
| 03:48.49 | enouf | peteweez: i've seen some people need to use various ones just to get audio working; a) parm: enable:Enable Intel HD audio interface. (array of bool) b) parm: model:Use the given board model. (array of charp) c) parm: id:ID string for Intel HD audio interface. (array of charp) |
| 03:49.10 | adb | tux91: was a jock ;) |
| 03:49.28 | enouf | tux91: what works in other distros? |
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| 03:49.34 | tux91 | ok i fixed it, thanks everybody |
| 03:49.44 | tux91 | enouf: network-manager 0.7 |
| 03:49.47 | enouf | debian .debs from official debian mirrors?? |
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| 03:50.06 | tux91 | enouf: no, but the source code is pretty much the same right? |
| 03:50.17 | enouf | how would i know? |
| 03:50.20 | Rusty1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:50.32 | tux91 | enouf: i'd guess so |
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| 03:51.05 | enouf | but Debian applies it's own patches and uses it's own kernel, etc etc ... you want to have/use interchangeable distros? |
| 03:51.32 | peteweez | Rusty1: Thanks...probably what I need |
| 03:51.37 | tux91 | Bottom line is, I made it work. There was no bug in the package |
| 03:51.39 | peteweez | but I like to mess around with my computer |
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| 03:51.52 | enouf | not saying it does so for every pkg .. or even that it's needed .. it's the pkg maintainers choice , and that |
| 03:52.07 | enouf | s usually a result of bugs being filed |
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| 03:53.13 | bpun | anyone using a macbook? |
| 03:53.23 | Cristian | hi? |
| 03:53.30 | bpun | i have to boot up debian with a grub cd.. having trouble with that efi thing |
| 03:53.33 | peteweez | OK cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#1 yields "Modem Function Group: 0x1" |
| 03:53.38 | peteweez | does that mean anything? |
| 03:53.41 | enouf | peteweez: note; i recently upgraded to all 3 cable services again; Internet, TV, Phone ... the Installation guy asked if i'd like to have Phone + FAX service available .. just a though |
| 03:53.45 | Cristian | sex? |
| 03:53.54 | enouf | thought even ... to consider |
| 03:54.06 | Cristian | ctc? |
| 03:54.32 | peteweez | enouf: I'm a poor college kid trying to avoid paying Kinko's |
| 03:54.36 | enouf | bpun: bootp or whatever? |
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| 03:54.54 | peteweez | I just want to send a fax out to a potential employer through my school's phone line |
| 03:55.09 | bpun | enouf, nah.. i can boot strap the hd root.. it's already installed... |
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| 03:55.15 | enouf | peteweez: i'm just noting how Cable services could cause frustrations .. if one isn't aware of these things |
| 03:55.29 | GillaGal | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.32 | peteweez | oh |
| 03:55.40 | bpun | enouf, i have to bootstrap with a grub boot cd.. not sure how to use 'bless' whatever with mac or refti stuff |
| 03:55.42 | peteweez | uh we have a LAN internet throughout campus |
| 03:55.55 | enouf | !macbook |
| 03:55.55 | dpkg | macbook is, like, http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook . For the Pro model, ask me about <macbookpro>. See also <laptop>. |
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| 03:57.03 | bpun | been there.. issue is there's no doc about efivars module and efibootmgr package .. << i'd like to see more documentation on it.. |
| 03:57.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | GillaGal, echo bla $(date) bla\ |
| 03:57.22 | amphi | GillaGal: echo foo `date` |
| 03:57.41 | GillaGal | lol which one is it boys? |
| 03:57.42 | enouf | bpun: you have my empathies - no idea though |
| 03:58.04 | bpun | anybody knows if macbooks have a very different intel efi implementation? -> http://linux.dell.com/files/efibootmgr/efibootmgr.txt .. otherwise i'd give this debian pacakge a try... |
| 03:58.14 | amphi | GillaGal: `date` & $(date) do the same thing |
| 03:58.17 | enouf | peteweez: fwiw, i've heard of a thing called sendafax.com |
| 03:58.39 | enouf | peteweez: i happen to like sendaball.com to send people my balls O_o |
| 03:58.43 | bpun | enouf, y, i learned alot from this guru today.. apparently he's not in at the moment.. |
| 03:58.46 | beardy | peteweez: Your audio/modem..thing, seems to use a Conexant chip for the modem part, CX11254, the driver for it seems to be some crappy mostly commercial thing, http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/ |
| 03:58.59 | GillaGal | amphi ok so... echo This script ran at $(date) \ >> /var/log/my.log |
| 03:59.10 | bpun | enouf, efi is a bitch :) |
| 03:59.23 | amphi | what's the '\' for? |
| 03:59.39 | bpun | especially if tools are made to work with gpt/mbr hybrid systems.. it can be confusing.. |
| 03:59.51 | GillaGal | amphi [23:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> GillaGal, echo bla $(date) bla\ |
| 04:00.05 | peteweez | beardy: Wow that is probably what I need and that is really shitty |
| 04:00.27 | peteweez | the whole point was to use free software to put together a ghetto fax machine |
| 04:00.36 | peteweez | oh well I'll just pay for my damn faxes |
| 04:00.41 | peteweez | it was a good idea anyway |
| 04:00.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | GillaGal, both - $() reads nicer than ``, though *shrug* |
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| 04:01.03 | amphi | too prolix |
| 04:01.07 | amphi | ;) |
| 04:01.25 | beardy | peteweez: Get a real modem. |
| 04:01.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and you can't confuse $() with ' or ´ ) |
| 04:01.40 | beardy | peteweez: Real being .. real, hooking to a serial port. |
| 04:01.51 | peteweez | beardy: no kidding |
| 04:02.05 | GillaGal | CutMeOwnThroat ok thanks, I'll try it |
| 04:02.06 | peteweez | except...modern computers don't have that :-( |
| 04:02.21 | enouf | !blame modernity |
| 04:02.21 | dpkg | blames meff and modernity for all the evil in the world |
| 04:02.24 | beardy | peteweez: Then get an expensive USB serial dongel too. |
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| 04:02.54 | peteweez | agrees with enouf |
| 04:02.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | peteweez, gmx/web.de and other freemailers let you send/receive faxes... not for free either, though |
| 04:03.00 | beardy | agrees too. |
| 04:03.13 | enouf | peteweez: pick up an older box on the curb and set that up as your fax :-P |
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| 04:03.21 | peteweez | Yeah it's cool there's a fax machine I can use |
| 04:03.23 | peteweez | enouf: haha love it |
| 04:03.36 | peteweez | It was more about the novelty of building my own ghetto fax |
| 04:04.00 | enouf | there are plenty of curbs in ghettos too :-P |
| 04:04.01 | Rusty1 | http://www.amazon.com/Best-Data-Products-56USBP-Controller/dp/B00009YUPX when you're rich and famous, works with hylafax etc |
| 04:04.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | wish you could fax over sipphones :) |
| 04:04.27 | beardy | Can't you? |
| 04:04.34 | peteweez | $50 for a modem |
| 04:04.35 | peteweez | wow |
| 04:04.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, noish... |
| 04:04.41 | peteweez | I could afford that |
| 04:04.45 | beardy | (But.. haven't this employer heard of e-mail?) |
| 04:04.51 | peteweez | but I'd rather pay for the stupid fax |
| 04:04.56 | peteweez | beardy: I know, right? |
| 04:05.14 | peteweez | They don't give a phone number, an address or anything |
| 04:05.18 | peteweez | just "fax resume to..." |
| 04:05.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, seems the protocols are somewhat incompatible... sip not being good to send data over and fax relying on some phone-specific stuff |
| 04:06.14 | beardy | peteweez: Are you sure that's where you want to work then? :) |
| 04:06.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, seems it's not totally impossible, but non-trivial |
| 04:06.41 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, that's what I thought.. possible, but tricky. |
| 04:06.44 | peteweez | beardy: Yeah, but my guess is they don't want people doing what I'm doing |
| 04:06.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... you mean like... 'a fax is the only technology they have that you can play with all day' |
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| 04:06.57 | enouf | atleast they didn't ask for your resume in .doc format :-P |
| 04:07.06 | peteweez | sending out the same email to a million different places by email |
| 04:07.07 | peteweez | :-) |
| 04:07.11 | peteweez | Hell no |
| 04:07.22 | evilGUI | Is there a such thing as Linux malware that attacks a Window partition? |
| 04:07.23 | beardy | So faxing the same printed paper 3000 times is better. |
| 04:07.23 | peteweez | Latex makes the best résumés in the world! |
| 04:07.23 | izua | is there any 3D CAD software out there for linux? |
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| 04:07.32 | enouf | peteweez: ever hear of monster.com ? |
| 04:07.37 | peteweez | beardy: requires a little more effort |
| 04:07.40 | djcip | can anyone help me with this javabat problem? http://javabat.com/prob/p108997 |
| 04:07.47 | peteweez | enouf: my local paper has better offerings. |
| 04:07.50 | djcip | cuz this isn't working and idk why |
| 04:07.51 | djcip | http://pastebin.com/m62c6d3e7 |
| 04:07.51 | enouf | hehe .. email 1 million resumes :-p |
| 04:08.01 | peteweez | pretty much |
| 04:08.23 | peteweez | I just downloaded a Latex résumé template off the internet and tweaked it |
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| 04:08.36 | peteweez | looks so much better than Word ever could have done |
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| 04:09.06 | enouf | peteweez: if i wanted to, i could reboot into win98 and use the megaphone software that came with this p2 OEM that does Voice/Fax/Answering machine and send faxes :-P |
| 04:09.22 | peteweez | I have dual-boot Vista |
| 04:09.32 | peteweez | I don't remember the last time I booted into vista |
| 04:09.47 | enouf | peteweez: naturally using the USR winmodem hunk of crap - no linux driver was ever made for it though |
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| 04:11.31 | enouf | oh .. wait, i'd have to reinstall winpoop somewhere, i wiped that partition and put / FS on it ;-) |
| 04:11.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, tricky enough so that there's no software around that does it (well, no free software at least, last time I looked) |
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| 04:12.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | taraskostiak!!!!! |
| 04:12.38 | peteweez | Where did you find out that the Intel chip has a Conexant modem? |
| 04:12.43 | peteweez | I haven't seen that info anywhere |
| 04:14.55 | peteweez | Meh God help me I might just boot into Windows to identify my modem. |
| 04:15.07 | enouf | peteweez: is that by any chance a nvidia chipset that uses snd-hda-intel? |
| 04:15.08 | peteweez | Anyway thanks guys and y'all have a good night. |
| 04:15.19 | peteweez | enouf: No? |
| 04:15.25 | peteweez | My Vcard is ATI |
| 04:15.29 | enouf | peteweez: msinfo32 should give you PCIID info |
| 04:15.50 | izua | what should i use for 3D modelling under debian? I need something like solidworks/solidedge/catia |
| 04:15.54 | peteweez | that being a Winblows command? |
| 04:15.58 | enouf | atleast on up through XPoop |
| 04:16.02 | enouf | yep |
| 04:16.05 | peteweez | OK thank |
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| 04:16.06 | peteweez | s |
| 04:16.08 | peteweez | g'night |
| 04:16.21 | enouf | peteweez: ask ##windows if needs be - l8ter |
| 04:16.27 | peteweez | cool thx |
| 04:16.37 | beardy | They don't know shit though, unfortunately. |
| 04:16.47 | enouf | heh |
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| 04:17.07 | avuton | I have to ask here because I wouldn't be sure how to google this: Does debian run 'apt-get update' automatically like ubuntu? (I'm guessing not, but I don't really know) |
| 04:17.36 | enouf | not really - though apt-cache search --names-only update |
| 04:17.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | avuton, not normally... but you can check in /etc/cron* |
| 04:17.42 | beardy | avuton: Not unless you have set it up to be run. The answer is no. |
| 04:17.49 | enouf | and might want to look at cron-apt |
| 04:17.49 | avuton | OK :) Thanks alot |
| 04:17.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !echo |
| 04:17.54 | dpkg | ECHO...ECHo...ECho...Echo...echo...cho...ho...o....... |
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| 04:18.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh, 1st time today I get a factoid right 1st try |
| 04:18.11 | enouf | !reverb |
| 04:18.17 | quentusrex | anyone know how to find out what motherboard is in a server(that I have root access to) without opening the case? |
| 04:18.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pal enouf |
| 04:18.19 | dpkg | points at enouf and laughs uproariously |
| 04:18.22 | enouf | !reverberate |
| 04:18.24 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 04:18.24 | dpkg | [aptitude] now the recommended tool for managing packages on your Debian system. You can use it as a CLI replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in Lenny, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>. |
| 04:18.29 | enouf | ;-) |
| 04:18.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | quentusrex, /msg dpkg whats my hardware |
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| 04:19.47 | tomoyuki28jp | I've got a question regarding setuid. How can I make this work? http://paste.lisp.org/display/79529 |
| 04:19.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | magic? |
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| 04:20.44 | enouf | quentusrex: try lshal | grep smbios |
| 04:21.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | tomoyuki28jp, your script is not executable |
| 04:21.39 | tomoyuki28jp | CutMeOwnThroat: oh really? why is that so? |
| 04:21.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it is |
| 04:21.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry |
| 04:22.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, funny |
| 04:22.48 | TheMadRussian | when updating from etch to lenny, how could I stop it from installing the new kernel? |
| 04:23.16 | tomoyuki28jp | actually this one is correct one: http://paste.lisp.org/display/79530 |
| 04:23.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | TheMadRussian, remove the linux-image-2.6 metapackage |
| 04:23.47 | TheMadRussian | im doing it from the lenny cd |
| 04:23.56 | tomoyuki28jp | what I am trying to do is to exec script as a root with using setuid. |
| 04:23.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | tomoyuki28jp, it seems weird ... as if the group permissions beat the personal ones |
| 04:24.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | tomoyuki28jp, you're running the script with sudo anyway in the 1st case |
| 04:24.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it fails! |
| 04:24.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | TheMadRussian, what's that gotta do with anything? |
| 04:24.50 | enouf | then you aren't upgrading from etch to lenny |
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| 04:25.09 | quentusrex | enouf: error: dbus_bus_get: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoServer: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused |
| 04:25.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | tomoyuki28jp, put "id" into your script for more transparency |
| 04:25.20 | TheMadRussian | CutMeOwnThroat: I didn't know if it would matter |
| 04:25.25 | enouf | quentusrex: oh well |
| 04:25.44 | TheMadRussian | enouf: I just want to upgraded packages, my system seems to make problems with the latest kernel |
| 04:26.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | TheMadRussian, apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 04:26.17 | tomoyuki28jp | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you mean by put "id" into my script? |
| 04:26.23 | enouf | TheMadRussian: easiest is to just install it, don't let it remove older working ones, do not reboot into new one, the --purge remove it |
| 04:26.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | tomoyuki28jp, call the program id from your script |
| 04:26.53 | tomoyuki28jp | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry, I am not sure what the program id means. |
| 04:27.02 | ajavid | man |
| 04:27.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | tomoyuki28jp, or look who owns the file created by the script |
| 04:27.07 | ajavid | I finally got my system setup the way I wanted |
| 04:27.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | tomoyuki28jp, the program "id"? |
| 04:27.32 | ajavid | stable debian, .29 kernel, ext4 drives all over the place, kde 3.5.10, and etc. etc. |
| 04:27.35 | tomoyuki28jp | CutMeOwnThroat: the owner is root and the group is tomo. |
| 04:27.52 | enouf | that's silly |
| 04:28.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | tomoyuki28jp, actually, I don't see what you want to accomplish |
| 04:28.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | you set group-suid which makes the program run in the group tomo |
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| 04:28.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you want the program to run as root, you must set chmod u+s script.sh |
| 04:29.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | also mind, that the suid-bit is only honored if the partition is not mounted with nosuid |
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| 04:29.31 | tomoyuki28jp | CutMeOwnThroat: What I am trying to do is rewrite a file, owned by the root, as a normal user. |
| 04:29.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which tmp normally isn't, I think) |
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| 04:29.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | tomoyuki28jp, that doesn't work, you have to use chown to give it to the user |
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| 04:30.12 | tomoyuki28jp | CutMeOwnThroat: oh I see. let me try that way. |
| 04:30.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | tomoyuki28jp, or (outside /tmp) if the user has write permission, he can cp and rm the file and make a new one |
| 04:30.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | but only root is allowed to chown |
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| 04:31.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is a bit of a show-stopper for normal users |
| 04:32.22 | tomoyuki28jp | CutMeOwnThroat: I am actually trying to rewrite a file that the ownership reset every time I reboot my machine. |
| 04:32.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh |
| 04:32.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | people never tell what the real problem is |
| 04:32.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | what file is it? |
| 04:33.07 | tomoyuki28jp | CutMeOwnThroat: /sys/devices/virtual/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness |
| 04:33.12 | tomoyuki28jp | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry, man. |
| 04:33.20 | tomoyuki28jp | and thanks a lot for your help. |
| 04:33.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not a real file |
| 04:33.49 | tomoyuki28jp | CutMeOwnThroat: oh yes |
| 04:34.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you know which kernel module makes it? |
| 04:34.46 | tomoyuki28jp | CutMeOwnThroat: I know I can make it work like 'echo "rootpass" | sudo -S sh -c "echo 6 > /sys/devices/virtual/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness"', but I am looking for a way to do it without writing the root pass. |
| 04:34.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 04:34.57 | tomoyuki28jp | CutMeOwnThroat: I am actually using the latest version of ubuntu. |
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| 04:35.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh |
| 04:35.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrong channel, too |
| 04:35.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | you have to know which kernel-module creates the file |
| 04:36.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you can put a post-install chmod /sladfjal into /etc/modutils/modulename or possibly /etc/modutils/aliases |
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| 04:36.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least in Debian |
| 04:36.52 | tomoyuki28jp | CutMeOwnThroat: I see. |
| 04:37.22 | rvalles | tomoyuki28jp: wrong channel... |
| 04:37.23 | rvalles | tomoyuki28jp: even so |
| 04:37.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.46 | rvalles | tomoyuki28jp: there's an x extension handling that... if video driver supports it, you can use that. |
| 04:38.17 | tomoyuki28jp | rvalles: oh really. thanks for the info. |
| 04:38.17 | rvalles | tomoyuki28jp: "xbacklight". See if you have it, or try to figure out what package has it. We can't help you there. |
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| 04:38.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | rvalles, I think we did |
| 04:38.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | dammit! |
| 04:39.50 | tomoyuki28jp | rvalles: I see. |
| 04:40.02 | tomoyuki28jp | rvalles: CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks a lot for your help. I appreciate it. |
| 04:40.10 | gaintsura | damn the person who said I need to show proof before calling them a liar left.... figures.. |
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| 04:40.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pal gaintsura |
| 04:40.26 | dpkg | points at gaintsura and laughs uproariously |
| 04:40.29 | gaintsura | brightness levels DO work with fglrx if acpi=off is NOT in the commandline |
| 04:40.36 | rvalles | tomoyuki28jp: you're welcome. |
| 04:40.50 | gaintsura | and thanks for pointing me to cpufreq CutMeOwnThroat |
| 04:41.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | np |
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| 04:41.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | one more thing |
| 04:41.09 | enouf | there was a bug in certain OEMs that made the autobacklight controls work in reverse ... |
| 04:41.40 | gaintsura | enouf: they were saying they didn't work period |
| 04:41.55 | enouf | somewhere between .26 and .29 .. saw someone do a git-bisect to find the patch that caused it - twas some acpi patch, IIRC |
| 04:41.55 | tomoyuki28jp | gaintsura: fglrx is a command? there is no such on my machine. |
| 04:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | gaintsura, there's two files showing the cpu fequency on my laptop - on in /proc, one in /sys - confusingly, if I change it in one, the other one stays the same - and I can change both independently |
| 04:42.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | gaintsura, some of the programs to throttle CPU use /proc, others use /sys .... |
| 04:42.23 | gaintsura | tomoyuki28jp: fglrx is a driver |
| 04:42.29 | tomoyuki28jp | gaintsura: I see. |
| 04:42.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | that always bugged me :) |
| 04:42.38 | tomoyuki28jp | gaintsura: thanks for the info. |
| 04:42.53 | gaintsura | CutMeOwnThroat: thats up there with the commandline allowing * for a file name... |
| 04:42.55 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: /proc/acpi should be deprecated, but i think debian chose to keep it around |
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| 04:43.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, my point is more like... they shouldn't freaking be independent of each other |
| 04:43.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can only throttle the damn CPU once |
| 04:43.39 | enouf | see /Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt and the Kconfig file for ACPI cra[ |
| 04:43.52 | Manoj | people don't read docs |
| 04:44.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | reading docs is uncool |
| 04:44.08 | Manoj | which sometimes irritates one |
| 04:44.14 | enouf | !spank Manoj |
| 04:44.14 | dpkg | bends Manoj over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 04:44.17 | enouf | :-) |
| 04:44.18 | Manoj | cuse then they bug me |
| 04:44.34 | Manoj | and waste my time |
| 04:44.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still don't know how to use the watch I have for a week or so now :) |
| 04:45.08 | gaintsura | Manoj: even better getting emails from friends who want you to 'take a quick look at something' and then don't take advice given |
| 04:45.19 | enouf | does your VCR still flash 12:00 too? :-P |
| 04:45.24 | gaintsura | lol |
| 04:45.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | what vcr |
| 04:45.29 | gaintsura | whats a vcr? |
| 04:45.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't you need a tv for those to be useful? |
| 04:45.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | gaintsura, someting like a betamax |
| 04:46.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think |
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| 04:47.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it's like the people asking in here... the same question again and again, because they don't like the answer they get |
| 04:48.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess it's like with doctors... if one tells you you got cancer and it can't be cured, you go to one who says, "walk around your bed clockwise three times in the morning an everything will be allright" and you're good |
| 04:48.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | rambles on |
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| 04:50.40 | gaintsura | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean like an 8track player.. but for movies???? WOW! HOW CAN I GET ONE! <start cheesey 50's infomercial music here> |
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| 04:52.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | gaintsura, it might involve selling your soul |
| 04:52.51 | adama_ | I'm running squeeze, did a full-upgrade, then relogged and when I start compizconfig-settimgs-manager the buttons that normally configure the plugins, with according labels, do not do anything |
| 04:53.07 | adama_ | Python 2.5.4 |
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| 04:53.10 | adama_ | http://pastebin.ca/1410078 |
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| 04:53.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | !testing |
| 04:53.38 | dpkg | [testing] a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <squeeze> and as <lenny> has only just been released, squeeze users are in for a bumpy ride. Either be clueful or be told that you shouldn't be using testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html. <lenny->squeeze><testing security><moving target><dda><bts>. |
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| 04:59.01 | gaintsura | O.o wtf, I can't sshfs my usual mounts... fusermount: mount failed: Cannot allocate memory <- wtfm8? |
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| 05:03.54 | mischief6 | anyone know how to change the highlight rules of geany? |
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| 05:12.10 | gaintsura | arrrrr |
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| 05:13.14 | wng- | anyone hae any ideas on this error message when trying to burn a dvd? :-[ WRITE@LBA=310h failed with SK=4h/ASC=44h/ACQ=D9h]: Input/output error |
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| 05:14.39 | gaintsura | it seems I cannot allocate enough memory for more than one sshfs now... how did that happen... |
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| 05:19.46 | aoeu | why isn't xmms in lenny? |
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| 05:20.37 | enouf | wng-: still? |
| 05:21.18 | enouf | wng-: oh wait .. are you "djc"? http://paste.debian.net/34700/ |
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| 05:21.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why is xmms not in testing |
| 05:21.43 | dpkg | xmms is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xmms |
| 05:21.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, not so useful |
| 05:22.02 | gaintsura | fail |
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| 05:22.04 | quentusrex | What is wrong with putting 333mhz ram in a motherboard that states it only supports down to 400mhz |
| 05:22.05 | quentusrex | ? |
| 05:22.09 | quentusrex | the box boots and works... |
| 05:22.25 | gaintsura | slows the rest of the system down and can cause 'ill' performance |
| 05:22.28 | aoeu | isn't lenny stable? |
| 05:22.48 | quentusrex | gaintsura: do you know of any documentation or discussion on this issue? |
| 05:22.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | aoeu, I guess it got kicked because it's not developed anymore |
| 05:23.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still got it :) |
| 05:23.25 | gaintsura | quentusrex: thats what I remember from years ago, and also what I was told/'shown' in college |
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| 05:23.52 | aoeu | they worried that there's an 0day exploit or something in xmms because its not developed anymore? |
| 05:23.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, indeed it's stable - but the factoid is only for testing :) |
| 05:24.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | aoeu, but if you followed the link the factoid gave you, you also got there http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms.html |
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| 05:25.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | and here http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms/news/20080310T223933Z.html |
| 05:25.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems there was just no maintainer anymore? |
| 05:25.45 | enouf | quentusrex: 'down to 400MHz' ? pc2100-3200 is compatible with itself |
| 05:25.52 | enouf | just slower as mentioned |
| 05:26.00 | wng- | enouf: I am not djc, and that link is giving me an error |
| 05:26.43 | enouf | wng-: ok - well it shows this error :-[ WRITE@LBA=0h failed with SK=0h/ASC=00h/ACQ=02h]: Input/output error |
| 05:27.04 | wng- | yes, thats the error I am getting |
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| 05:27.36 | enouf | wng-: just different hex offsets in the code - same error - guy was burning dvds - 1st k3b was failing and still had issues using growisofs directly |
| 05:27.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | aoeu, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html |
| 05:28.12 | enouf | wng-: IINM, those are scsi mmc codes that can be deciphered, however, not me ;-) |
| 05:28.42 | jintxo | it seems the behaviour of clamav-milter has changed and now does "HOLD" on incoming virus, instead of rejecting and notifying postmaster. Anyone know how to go back to previous behaviour (it doesn't accept the same options it used to in /etc/default/clamav-milter). using postfix on lenny with debian volatile repos activated for clamav. thanks! |
| 05:28.48 | enouf | it might be a controller related issue .. or bad media? or drive is starting to go south |
| 05:29.03 | wng- | yea im hoping its not the drive |
| 05:29.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | xmms, rest in peace |
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| 05:30.35 | jintxo | aoeu, just in case you're interested, audacious exists which is a fork of a fork of xmms, is gtk2 based and works well. just thought I'd throw that idea out :-p |
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| 05:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | jintxo, it's mentioned in the removal mail |
| 05:30.58 | jintxo | ah ok |
| 05:31.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | next to bmpx, which isn't similar at all |
| 05:31.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | but much more popular according to popcon |
| 05:31.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still got xmms! |
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| 05:32.01 | jintxo | let the good times roll, heheh |
| 05:32.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, 231 bugs are a lousy excuse to remove xmms |
| 05:32.45 | slyrus_ | oh boy, nothing like upgrading trying to upgrade a system that hasn't been upgraded (or used) for a couple years... |
| 05:32.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, and lacking utf-8 support |
| 05:32.55 | FredZ | Are there any other applications apart from Nikto that I can use on my Etch server to test for web server vulnerabilities? |
| 05:33.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | tiger? |
| 05:33.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | nessus? |
| 05:34.15 | FredZ | Nessus is not free, but I will look at tiger |
| 05:34.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | nessus is in the repositories, though |
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| 05:34.58 | FredZ | OK, I will check both, TY |
| 05:35.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | try apt-cache security audit |
| 05:35.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | or somesuch |
| 05:35.29 | mischief6 | what is the command to re-select the packages that you normally select at installation? |
| 05:35.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | spikeproxy sounds interesting... never heard of it, though |
| 05:36.14 | enouf | mischief6: that's not specific enough ... |
| 05:36.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | FredZ, heh, and "rats" |
| 05:36.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | (not what you look for, though) |
| 05:36.46 | mischief6 | enouf, it's a specific command to run the same package selection utility that is normally ran during boot |
| 05:36.48 | enouf | mischief6: there is no 'normal' however each pkg has a priority |
| 05:37.17 | enouf | !wayttd mischief6 |
| 05:37.17 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, mischief6? |
| 05:37.28 | jintxo | mischief6, maybe tasksel is what you are looking for? |
| 05:37.38 | mischief6 | that's it. thanks jintxo :) |
| 05:37.56 | enouf | grah |
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| 05:38.26 | mischief6 | hmm..i can use tasksel to remove my desktop environment right? |
| 05:38.50 | enouf | heh |
| 05:38.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, jintxo just trying tasksel - I got no Desktop environment! |
| 05:39.08 | enouf | !remove kde |
| 05:39.08 | dpkg | it has been said that remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data |
| 05:39.15 | enouf | !remove gnome |
| 05:39.15 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly). |
| 05:39.19 | jintxo | CutMeOwnThroat, sorry I didn't understand that |
| 05:39.23 | enouf | !remove xfce4 |
| 05:39.47 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.03 | jintxo | mischief6, tasksel will prboably give you problems if you remove the whole desktop environment, I wouldn't go that route, it has produced problems (with some openoffice packages) for me in the past doing ewhat you are trying to do. |
| 05:40.03 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: tasksel --list-tasks |
| 05:40.35 | mischief6 | jintxo, well, then i am probably en route to problems, since the script is already executing. :x |
| 05:40.38 | jintxo | and then I'd hae t ogo in and edit the postrm scripts by hand which ain't purty |
| 05:40.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | no desktop... and I never knew! |
| 05:41.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 05:41.38 | jintxo | CutMeOwnThroat, you can have a desktoip environment without the "task" being slected :-) I usually just install gnome-core and build on that instead of using tasks on older pcs |
| 05:42.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | jintxo, I was just kiddin |
| 05:42.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I have neither kde nor gnome, so it's not a big surprise |
| 05:42.42 | jintxo | mischief6, not BIG problems, if openoffice gives you headaches with one of it's packages, now you know *my* solution (had to edit the postrm script). |
| 05:42.50 | aoeu | thinks he likes xmms better. audacious is slow. |
| 05:43.19 | enouf | everything newer is slower ... |
| 05:43.25 | jintxo | but I am sure there are better ways, I just mention that cuase you said you had already run the command |
| 05:43.32 | mischief6 | jintxo, well, this is actually a virtual machine and i only *ever* SSH to it. however, i do use some apps over tunneled X. |
| 05:43.33 | aoeu | probably has something to do with the fact i'm on a pentium II 350 |
| 05:43.43 | enouf | except (possibly) the shit that's made it's way into the kernel |
| 05:44.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | aoeu, well, there's xmms2 |
| 05:44.21 | aoeu | CutMeOwnThroat, does that have a ui like xmms? |
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| 05:44.24 | enouf | aoeu: welcome to the Deschutes club amigo! |
| 05:44.37 | jintxo | hey I was in the Klamath club :-) |
| 05:44.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | aoeu, no, it's server-client and the clients still suck |
| 05:44.54 | jintxo | hot! |
| 05:45.15 | aoeu | enouf, what's the deschutes club? |
| 05:45.33 | enouf | ~# grep -i pentium /proc/cpuinfo |
| 05:45.34 | enouf | model name : Pentium II (Deschutes) |
| 05:45.42 | aoeu | ah |
| 05:46.15 | aoeu | i've got 2 320GB hdd's and a 60GB hdd in this bitch. gateway made some pretty nice machines back in the day. |
| 05:46.27 | enouf | aoeu: the 350 was the 1st to utilize a 100FSB over the usual 66 |
| 05:46.49 | enouf | heh, almost the same here |
| 05:47.04 | aoeu | wants to open up a shop someday selling old computers with linux to low-income families |
| 05:47.06 | enouf | new 600w CoolerMaster PSU ;-) |
| 05:47.29 | enouf | doesn't even fit into the case/tower :-P |
| 05:47.43 | aoeu | who needs a new machine for simple web browsing? |
| 05:47.58 | enouf | side is off, PSU is sitting on top - i could mod it, but ,, i',m too lazy |
| 05:48.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | aoeu, /msg dpkg archives - upgrading to lenny didn't kick my xmms, also, it's still running - that means you can still get it from etch |
| 05:48.16 | jintxo | only thinkg I hated about the gateways of the time were the cheap-ass hd's they were puttting in them. had a 50% fail rae in a batch of 300 pcs and gateway just sent us a box full of HDs to "compensate". argh! I sure learned how to use ghost in multicast mode that summer |
| 05:48.30 | enouf | aoeu: i use links2 -g as my everyday browser |
| 05:48.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | aoeu, oh - no need for the archives - just put "oldstable" or "etch" in your sources.list |
| 05:49.19 | enouf | jintxo: heh, mine came with a Remanufactured WD drive ... LOUD AS ALL HECK .. but still ticks till this day :-O |
| 05:50.23 | jintxo | enouf, ours came with the maxtors which I believe weren't very well known t the time. I try to avoid maxtors since them, alhtough I have a friend that swears by them. |
| 05:50.30 | enouf | 8.4GiB/9.1GB drive that / FS was on until just a week ago :-P |
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| 05:50.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | jintxo, no hd-manufacturer is safe |
| 05:50.44 | aoeu | only buys seagate |
| 05:50.57 | enouf | jintxo: each manu has has issues over the years |
| 05:51.06 | jintxo | yeah I know |
| 05:51.10 | enouf | yeah - maxtors i've avoided |
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| 05:51.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | jintxo, 10 years ago we were joking about seagate "sie g(ai)eht odr sie geht net" (it works or it doesn't work).... and... wait for it, 8 years later ibms started to fail like hell |
| 05:52.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I loved ibms until then |
| 05:52.14 | piper69 | can someone please help me mount an external drive? |
| 05:52.22 | enouf | i bought some Hitachis some time back .. nice and quiet .. even though they took over the IBM Deathstar drives :-P |
| 05:53.03 | jintxo | piper69, be more specific (what kind of drive, USB, eSATA, whatever) for somebody to e able to help you |
| 05:53.37 | enouf | Seagate bought/aquired Maxtor a little while back too .. also some seagates also have some serious issues |
| 05:53.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's important to plug the external hd into the correct hole on the PC! |
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| 05:54.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | as I said... "sie gait, odr sie gait net" |
| 05:54.43 | piper69 | it is an external USB drive, when i plug it in , my box see the drive name "-=(Stuff)=-" but when i click on it , i get a message "system can not mount " |
| 05:54.47 | enouf | Samsung also makes some nice drives |
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| 05:55.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 05:55.14 | jintxo | piper69, this is just a waild guess, but that label "-=(stuff)=-" seems like it could be the source of your problems? |
| 05:55.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I bought a 1TB external drive and haven't even looked what's in it yet |
| 05:55.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | piper69, what file system is on it? |
| 05:56.21 | jintxo | piper69, can you change the label to just "stuff" and try again? it's worth a shot |
| 05:56.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | yay, shoot the disk! |
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| 05:56.54 | jintxo | finds this question familiar ... |
| 05:57.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks what's inside the external disk now |
| 05:57.39 | Mood | anyone tried to install linux on an old world beige powermac g3? |
| 05:58.21 | Guerin | Mood: thousands of people |
| 05:58.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | people in #debian-ppc, perhaps? |
| 05:58.28 | Mood | i'm considering either trying to install debian on my beige powermac g3, or os 9. anyone have any luck w/ linux on it? |
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| 05:58.49 | Mood | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, will try that chan. thanks |
| 05:58.57 | jintxo | linux should work. and probably better than os9 heh. I''ve installed it on some imac g4s no problem years ago |
| 05:59.17 | Mood | wtf. #debian-ppc is invite only :-( |
| 05:59.33 | Guerin | #debianppc might be it |
| 05:59.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, no -? |
| 05:59.43 | Mood | jintxo: imac g4 != old world beige g3 |
| 05:59.43 | Guerin | (though it might just be a symlink) |
| 05:59.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry |
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| 05:59.56 | jintxo | Mood, really? I think I already knoew that :-) |
| 06:00.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ppc |
| 06:00.01 | dpkg | from memory, ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 06:00.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !win Guerin |
| 06:00.08 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 06:00.22 | Guerin | gets pissed on champagne and spews on the judges |
| 06:00.45 | Mood | hmm.. #debianppc only has 15 people, probably all either asleep, drunk, or playing tetris |
| 06:00.56 | Guerin | Mood: that's ppc users for you |
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| 06:01.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 06:01.30 | Mood | hmm... :-/ |
| 06:01.53 | Mood | so until ppl respond, anyone in here try debian on ppc g3 old world beige? |
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| 06:02.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, this iomega external drive sucks |
| 06:02.18 | Guerin | Mood: I haven't done it, but I know it works. |
| 06:02.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | how the hell are you supposed to take the drive out |
| 06:02.29 | jintxo | Mood, well, since you look like you don't have anything important on the box (you're looking for an OS to install) why not just dive in to it and see how it goes? :-) biggest problem you'll face is probably shortage of RAM |
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| 06:02.42 | Guerin | Mood: google will undoubtedly have a complete walkthrough for an older version of debian, much of which will remain true. |
| 06:03.13 | Mood | jintxo: yes, i think right now i only have 64 MB...(eww).. have to test each RAM module one by one, but i can't do that until i install an os methinks... |
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| 06:03.47 | aoeu | how do i make it so mplayer's gui doesn't open when i open a video in kde? when i run mplayer from a command line, it never happens. i try telling kde to run videos with straight mplayer. it seems like kde is forcing mplayer to show the gui or something. |
| 06:03.47 | jintxo | Mood, ouchy |
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| 06:03.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, like this |
| 06:04.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | aand.... (drumroll)... it's a hitachi |
| 06:04.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | sata 3Gb/s 7200RPM |
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| 06:06.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it will be hell to exchange it against another disk :( |
| 06:06.53 | jintxo | Mood, put all you can in there and cross your fingers, lol! 64mb will be painful if you want to run X |
| 06:07.17 | adb | Mood: you may rise RAM , mine now has 640 BM , from 64 original , takes about 2-4 weeks ! @266 MHz |
| 06:07.27 | Mood | jintxo: yeah i was hoping i can use either debian or ubuntu ram tester before even the os gets installed |
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| 06:07.48 | Mood | adb: ?? is that drunkspeak? |
| 06:07.51 | jintxo | adb, out of curiousity, 2-4 weeks t odo what? |
| 06:08.04 | adb | to rise ram |
| 06:08.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | in a farm? |
| 06:08.27 | jintxo | is that like when you try to make homemeade bread? |
| 06:08.29 | Mood | define "rise ram" |
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| 06:08.37 | adb | add ramm |
| 06:08.41 | adb | add ram* |
| 06:08.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | jintxo, sounds like rising pigs or so |
| 06:08.59 | adb | hehe |
| 06:08.59 | Mood | adb: your breath has some suspicious hint of da beerz :-s |
| 06:09.00 | jelly-home | !moo |
| 06:09.00 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 06:09.15 | Rat409 | lol |
| 06:09.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a channel log now? |
| 06:09.33 | adb | http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian |
| 06:09.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, I saw that |
| 06:09.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | but #debian was traditionally not logged |
| 06:10.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | is shocked |
| 06:10.10 | Mood | so, just out of curiosity, the 803 people in #debian are either 1) sleeping 2) don't install on ppc g3 oldworld or 3) drunk. amirite? |
| 06:10.16 | simonrvn | log this: fuck it |
| 06:10.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | not good |
| 06:10.56 | jelly-home | Mood: probably. Do the release notes not cover oldworld? |
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| 06:11.42 | Mood | jelly-home: i didn't see it, only "ppc". lemme check again. |
| 06:11.55 | jelly-home | under ppc. |
| 06:12.05 | jelly-home | (if anywhere) |
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| 06:13.05 | gps23 | hi |
| 06:13.07 | simonrvn | Mood: my beige is currently running some web sites |
| 06:13.20 | Mood | "OldWorld Powermacs will not boot a Debian CD, because OldWorld computers relied on a MacOSROM CD boot driver to be present on the CD, and a free-software version of this driver is not available. All OldWorld systems have floppy drives, so use the floppy drive to launch the installer, and then point the installer to the CD for the needed files. " :-( :-( |
| 06:13.37 | gps23 | is there anything like 007 password cracker for linux? i have forgot my modem |
| 06:13.52 | simonrvn | Mood: last time i installed i used the hd-media way |
| 06:14.01 | jelly-home | gps23: modem? |
| 06:14.03 | gps23 | ...modem's password and need to reveal password behind stars |
| 06:14.16 | gps23 | jelly-home, pressed enter accidently |
| 06:14.43 | simonrvn | Mood: i.e., use an initrd with BootX, a netinst or businesscard iso, and a kernel, and booted from the IDE drive. quik will run relatively well from a SCSI drive. |
| 06:14.47 | Mood | simonrvn: was installing a pita? |
| 06:14.54 | simonrvn | not really no |
| 06:14.58 | gps23 | else i will have to take my modem to some friend who has windows installed :( |
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| 06:15.43 | HerrOnga | Aloha |
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| 06:15.55 | simonrvn | Mood: for a while i used bootx to boot linux, but for some odd reason quik decided to work properly, so i've used that way to boot linux since. |
| 06:16.53 | HerrOnga | Can you suggest me hard disk defragmenter for debian/ubuntu brotha'z? |
| 06:16.58 | simonrvn | i suspect it has to do with the load-base adjustment. |
| 06:17.08 | simonrvn | !defrag |
| 06:17.08 | dpkg | well, defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html or a respawn in a multiplayer game, or tip: fragmentation is low until you start using the default reserved-blocks-percentage space |
| 06:17.14 | jintxo | gps23, where did you "store" this password that you want to reveal? |
| 06:17.22 | jintxo | in what application? |
| 06:17.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.40 | Mood | simonrvn: don't think i ever used bootx before, but i'm looking into it now... |
| 06:17.43 | HerrOnga | dpkg great joke, congratulations brotha1_D |
| 06:17.43 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, HerrOnga |
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| 06:17.50 | gps23 | jintxo, its in the modem itself, i can see astrics when i open its interface using 197.0.0.1 in web browser |
| 06:18.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | what web browser? |
| 06:19.06 | gps23 | CutMeOwnThroat, any, modem has web interface accessible thru address http://192.168.1.1 |
| 06:19.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can just right-click passwords in FF and it will suggest to search the web for your password :) |
| 06:19.17 | jintxo | gps23, so how is it that you can acces the modem without knowing the password? and another though, maybe you can just reset the password to a factory default and re-configure the modem from scratch (that's what I do with my routers under these circumstances) |
| 06:19.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | gps23, but if you see asterixs, the browser has a stored password |
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| 06:20.30 | gps23 | jintxo, i can keep on using the password because its alraedy stored, but i need to know it if i want to buy a new modem with wifi support, and write that password in the new one. |
| 06:20.57 | aoeu | why is it that when i tell kde to open a video in mplayer, it opens it in gmplayer instead? |
| 06:21.06 | jintxo | gps23, oh, so you're not looking for the passwrod to access the modem, but the password the modem uses to access the internet provider, right? |
| 06:21.17 | gps23 | jintxo, resetting will lose the password and then i will have to get support of my shitty ISP, which i don't want to |
| 06:21.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | aoeu, because gmplayer has a gui? |
| 06:21.34 | gps23 | jintxo, thats right |
| 06:21.50 | jintxo | gps23, I had misunderstood you, sorry |
| 06:21.54 | aoeu | CutMeOwnThroat, i tell it to use the "mplayer" command, not "gmplayer". |
| 06:22.19 | FredZ | How can I set all permissions to files within a folder to 644 recursively, and can I do the same (755) to all folders? |
| 06:22.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | aoeu, mplayer -gui |
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| 06:22.34 | gps23 | jintxo, i have set it to pppoe mode so internet is always on, didn't required the password for long time so i forgot it now |
| 06:23.00 | gps23 | jintxo, np, the way i telling it is already confusing :) |
| 06:23.48 | aoeu | CutMeOwnThroat, i don't want it to load with a gui. i think the kde developers made it so mplayer opens with a gui no matter what to annoy people. when i symlink /usr/bin/mplayer to /usr/bin/player, and tell kde to use "player" to open it, there's no gui |
| 06:24.23 | jelly-home | FredZ: use find to find all files, and chmod them |
| 06:24.30 | jelly-home | !+tell FredZ -about using find |
| 06:24.30 | dpkg | told FredZ about using find. |
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| 06:24.48 | tank__ | ahhhhh!!!! |
| 06:25.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | l |
| 06:25.10 | tank__ | wtf is up with the libgnomevfs2-common file ???! |
| 06:25.19 | aoeu | its really annoying since the gui makes the video play much slower |
| 06:25.37 | aoeu | goes from video to slideshow |
| 06:25.40 | tank__ | anyone know if that file always takes long during the install process? |
| 06:26.00 | jintxo | gps23, hm, sorry but I can't think of anything other than asking your ISP what your passwrod is orfinding the original document where you were sent your password (mail or e-mail or whatever). or maybe your ISPO just uses a default generic password like mine (telefonica just uses adslppp@telefonicanetpa for all normal adsl users) |
| 06:27.47 | tank__ | anyone? please..? |
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| 06:28.14 | temppp | hi to all |
| 06:28.36 | gps23 | jintxo, contacting ISP remains the last option, but around 2 years back i was in same situation, i took the modem to my friend, installed a 007 password cracker on his windows and revealed the password by dragging the key there to the password field. i was searching for similer software in linux. this time i am gonna write the password to my modem itself :) |
| 06:28.37 | tank__ | hello |
| 06:28.39 | jintxo | tank__, I don't know about your question, but if you accept alternative answers, you can use ALT-F4 to see what's going on and ALT-F1 to get back to the installation screen. |
| 06:28.49 | temppp | is there any separate channel which is reference to EmDebian project ? |
| 06:28.51 | tank__ | leme see... |
| 06:28.52 | FredZ | <jelly-home> I already know where all the files are, as I know where all the folders are. I accidentally changed the permissions of all files/folders to global RW and want to return them to a safe state. Many files & many folders. |
| 06:28.53 | tank__ | thanks! |
| 06:29.12 | tank__ | i think it froze again!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:29.18 | tank__ | forget this... |
| 06:29.20 | tank__ | 3rd time. |
| 06:29.27 | tank__ | debian is driving me nuts |
| 06:29.29 | jintxo | tank__, bad CD? |
| 06:29.39 | tank__ | no, i did net install twice |
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| 06:29.53 | tank__ | d/l'd the cd and now its frozen @ the same place! |
| 06:30.06 | tank__ | this sucks |
| 06:30.14 | jintxo | tank__, are you getting errors in the ALT-F4 screen or is is just being slow? |
| 06:30.16 | tank__ | wasted my whole day |
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| 06:30.27 | tank__ | i hit alt+f4 and nothing |
| 06:30.32 | tank__ | not responding |
| 06:30.44 | tank__ | my num lock key doesnt turn on/off either |
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| 06:31.10 | jintxo | tank__, ew. bad RAM or bad HD? just throwing out ideas |
| 06:31.23 | tank__ | nope... working fine not too long ago |
| 06:31.28 | tank__ | no ticking noises |
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| 06:31.39 | tank__ | fudgems |
| 06:33.33 | jintxo | tank__, does it always freeze at the same place or is it inconsistent? |
| 06:33.50 | tank__ | yup |
| 06:33.55 | tank__ | 76% |
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| 06:35.55 | tank__ | ima try one more time... |
| 06:36.14 | tank__ | this time im gona do the graphical install and let it automatically do the partitioning |
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| 06:38.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | still sounds like hardware |
| 06:38.20 | jintxo | tank__, yah probably a good idea to change 1 suspicious factor and try again. If it failed at different places each time I'd say bad RAM but if it's consistent, I dunno, bad HD or bad MEDIA. I can't remember but by going "expert" you may get a way of setting up a base system and ell it not to go on installing the rest yet until after done installing |
| 06:39.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | why are there no base-install images you can just unpack on the disk, anyway? |
| 06:39.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | or are there? |
| 06:39.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | "just a tarfile" |
| 06:39.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | would be enough |
| 06:40.17 | tank__ | here goes nothing |
| 06:40.26 | tank__ | ooo graphical instal = pretty colors |
| 06:40.26 | tank__ | lmao |
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| 06:40.32 | jintxo | I used to just user netinstall images and cancel out of the additional software install to get a configured "base", but this may have been woody or potato, now I just let her rip and not sure if lenny installer behaves the same |
| 06:41.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway - isn't 76% enough to give you a bootable system? |
| 06:41.11 | tank__ | nope |
| 06:41.16 | tank__ | gives me...GRUB |
| 06:41.21 | tank__ | not sure why |
| 06:41.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, obviously |
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| 06:41.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you try to boot into the installed system from cd? |
| 06:41.39 | betz | Hey! I get a error that my libc6 version is too old. How to update this? noob at work |
| 06:41.42 | jintxo | CutMeOwnThroat, the problem is that the passwords and stuff are configured afterwards I think and his installer is freezing so he can't go back and do the rest of the steps. |
| 06:41.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | jintxo, *shrug* so what |
| 06:42.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's only root password |
| 06:42.05 | cahoot | betz: keep from installing extraneous packages |
| 06:42.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | can add users later |
| 06:42.28 | enouf | the installer doesn't write to disk until the partitioning phase |
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| 06:42.36 | tank__ | i get past all that |
| 06:42.41 | tank__ | and the users and root pw |
| 06:42.52 | betz | cahoot: i want to install transmission-cli |
| 06:42.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | tank__, did you already start a new install? |
| 06:42.58 | tank__ | im gona go with the guided - use entire disk option |
| 06:43.01 | tank__ | yea |
| 06:43.01 | enouf | tank__: then reboot after that .,, stop trying to install a gazillion things |
| 06:43.06 | jintxo | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah but you need to know how to go in with init=/bin/sh and the lot and it takes some experience and know-how to move around and remount the root FS rw and sutff like that. |
| 06:43.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | tank__, well... next time, try to boot into the system (from cd) |
| 06:43.21 | tank__ | ?? |
| 06:43.28 | tank__ | i didnt see that option |
| 06:43.33 | tank__ | leme try one more time... |
| 06:43.40 | enouf | tank__: have you run Check Integrity on the CD? |
| 06:43.46 | cahoot | betz: you should know debian has a package manager that you shall not tamper with if you want a working system |
| 06:43.54 | tank__ | does the guided partitioning work better than me manually setting the ext3 and swap myself? |
| 06:43.57 | enouf | tank__: are you setting up LVM and Crypto and Raid? |
| 06:44.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !rescue disk |
| 06:44.00 | dpkg | from memory, rescue disk is useful if you borked your root partition on the harddrive. Boot the rescue disk with "linux single" or "linux root=/dev/hdaX" |
| 06:44.03 | tank__ | yea enouf i have :) |
| 06:44.09 | enouf | ugh |
| 06:44.34 | tank__ | should i partition myself or guided? |
| 06:44.38 | enouf | i bet you also have Vista installed and are using some Fakeraid for it in the BIOS .. ugh ugh ugh |
| 06:44.53 | tank__ | heck no |
| 06:45.03 | enouf | heh |
| 06:45.04 | tank__ | plain out debian install |
| 06:45.10 | enouf | !rescue mode |
| 06:45.10 | dpkg | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Etch users: Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 06:45.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, crypto/raid complicates stuff of course |
| 06:45.12 | betz | cahoot: so your saying not to install transmission-cli? Do you have a alternative for this which will work? |
| 06:45.25 | tank__ | so guided. lvm? or encrypted lvm? |
| 06:45.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | [x] neither |
| 06:45.48 | tank__ | ok |
| 06:45.48 | jintxo | yay |
| 06:45.54 | enouf | why not zero out the disk before you do anything else |
| 06:45.59 | cahoot | betz: aptitude install transmission-cli? |
| 06:46.19 | tank__ | seperate home parititon? |
| 06:46.29 | enouf | if you like |
| 06:46.41 | tank__ | enouf: i usually delete all partitions manualls then create the ext3 and the swap myself |
| 06:46.48 | tank__ | that hasnt worked the last few times though |
| 06:46.49 | enouf | stay away from Ext'd + Logicals if you can |
| 06:46.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... home+rest |
| 06:46.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | tank__, but if you didn't partition yet - why not try to boot into it |
| 06:47.12 | tank__ | so eject the cd and try booting? |
| 06:47.16 | enouf | tank__: no - i mean a full-bore /dev/zero on /dev/sda or whatever |
| 06:47.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | as long as you haven't written another partition, you shouldn't have touched anything |
| 06:47.45 | tank__ | lets see what happens |
| 06:47.46 | betz | cahoot: i did this, but i'm unsure if its installed now or not. How can i check this to be sure? |
| 06:47.49 | jintxo | tank__, I think CutMeOwnThroat is referring to a "rescue mode" on the CD |
| 06:47.57 | jintxo | no? |
| 06:48.09 | enouf | i was |
| 06:48.27 | cahoot | betz: you recieve an error msg of things didn't work as expected |
| 06:48.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | tank__, yeah, you can try if a regular boot works - but I meant to boot from the kernel on CD to your system (as in the rescue mode factoid above) |
| 06:48.37 | enouf | sysresccd.org is another option |
| 06:48.41 | tank__ | ahk |
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| 06:48.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jintxo, yes - trying if a regular boot works 1st is not a bad idea, though :) |
| 06:48.47 | tank__ | yes no cd gives me... GRUB |
| 06:48.59 | tank__ | what do i do in rescue mode? |
| 06:49.08 | tank__ | u guys would have to walk me trough that |
| 06:49.17 | cahoot | betz: how about trans<TAB><TAB> ? |
| 06:49.31 | tank__ | anyone wana help me do that? |
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| 06:49.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | " See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System")" |
| 06:49.53 | enouf | no hand holding allowed! |
| 06:49.58 | hanibana | hi all |
| 06:50.02 | enouf | :-p |
| 06:50.11 | tank__ | forget it |
| 06:50.16 | tank__ | ima do guided then |
| 06:50.17 | tank__ | lol |
| 06:50.18 | hanibana | I've a multi-processor server. Is it enough to use the Linux SMP kernel to utilize them? I am asking about this because I read some documants (seemingly of 2002) that required some more work than just "using" SMP kernels... |
| 06:50.40 | tank__ | i don thave to read right now |
| 06:50.40 | tank__ | i have to get this thing up |
| 06:50.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | tank__, it's not smart to try the same thing that doesn't work again and again... |
| 06:50.40 | jintxo | hanibana, dude, I dunno if I'd be reding documetns from 2002 to set up a new system :-) |
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| 06:50.58 | tank__ | CutMeOwnThroat: worst case i switch distros |
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| 06:51.02 | tank__ | i need this to work |
| 06:51.03 | jintxo | hanibana, SMP works fine out of the box as far as I know |
| 06:51.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hanibana, afaik all kernels are smp now, too :) |
| 06:51.32 | enouf | hanibana: MP CPUs vs DualCore ones i suspect you mean |
| 06:51.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | a lot of bits went over the internet since 2002 |
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| 06:51.38 | hanibana | the site was tldp.org |
| 06:51.58 | PiousMinion | Is there a way to specify my own debian mirror in the lenny netinst installer? |
| 06:52.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | tank__, sure, go ahead and do another 10 installs |
| 06:52.09 | tank__ | nah |
| 06:52.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* everyone needs a hobby, I guess |
| 06:52.12 | tank__ | just one more |
| 06:52.14 | enouf | hanibana: i/oAPIC and LAPIC should be working fine, even on dual/multi CPU systems |
| 06:52.17 | jintxo | tank__, it depends on what you need this machine for. if its going to be some kind of important system, it may not be a good idea to go forward with unknown errors, sine you may get bitten in the future. if it's personal use, then have at it |
| 06:52.24 | hanibana | enouf: I have both ! |
| 06:52.40 | enouf | !congratulate hanibana |
| 06:52.40 | dpkg | Woohoo hanibana, you did it! |
| 06:52.41 | tank__ | its going to be a virtualization server |
| 06:52.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ig |
| 06:52.42 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <installer firmware>. |
| 06:53.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | see section 8.7 |
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| 06:54.09 | hanibana | ok thanks all |
| 06:54.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | jintxo, doesn't matter - it's better to go forward now than to get stuck at the same place a couple of more times |
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| 06:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jintxo, worst thing that could be is that the dpkg database is borked... and even that wouldn't be fatal |
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| 06:56.19 | meshuggah | hello |
| 06:56.31 | tank__ | installing base system |
| 06:56.33 | tank__ | yay |
| 06:56.35 | jintxo | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah but I'd hate to be the one in charge of the db or mail server whatever when somebody calls and says "the system is frozen" only to find out that I installed to a bad HD or something. for work I don't accept anything that's not a perfect install, now for my home machines I just dive in and fix whatever borks. |
| 06:56.40 | tank__ | slowly |
| 06:56.43 | meshuggah | how can i modify my grub(i am on lenny) to make it possible to boot an image from a usb stick? |
| 06:57.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | jintxo, still a running system is better for finding faulty hardware than repeating the same install process over and over |
| 06:57.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | !usb install |
| 06:57.27 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 06:57.35 | jintxo | each situation has a "best" outcome, I agree, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 06:58.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm not saying having to fix the system up is ideal... |
| 06:58.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm just saying repeating an install that doesn't work is stupid :) |
| 06:58.31 | meshuggah | bios CANT boot on usbv |
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| 06:58.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's like repeatedly booting windows to fix some problem in word :-P |
| 06:58.56 | jintxo | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm with you, I just like to make sure that we are not telling someone to "fix her up" if it's gonna be an important production system |
| 06:59.06 | jintxo | you never know |
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| 06:59.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | meshuggah, so you want to write to the hd bootsector to boot from usb? |
| 07:00.21 | tank__ | ok ok !! |
| 07:00.33 | tank__ | whats the nitty gritty to get it to run ? |
| 07:00.42 | meshuggah | CutMeOwnThroat, something like this yes, i freshly installed debian, and there is full of bug, so i think my dvd-burner is responsible of that, so i need to netinst debian via usb |
| 07:00.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | tank__, we told you |
| 07:00.43 | tank__ | Desktop environment and Standard system? |
| 07:01.22 | tank__ | i need those 2 only? |
| 07:01.32 | jintxo | tank__, since you have had problems during install, skip the desktop system part for now and set it up later; probably the best option because of your situation. a normal install I just take the defaults. |
| 07:01.36 | gigo | when will the new nautilus with tabs make it to squeeze? |
| 07:01.49 | jintxo | make sure you can get around a command line if you go by what I say :-) tank__ |
| 07:01.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions nautilus |
| 07:01.56 | tank__ | jintxo: will i still have a visual ? |
| 07:01.56 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: nautilus -- etch: 2.14.3-11+b1 lenny: 2.20.0-7 squeeze: 2.20.0-7 sid: 2.26.2-3 |
| 07:01.59 | tank__ | ahh |
| 07:02.00 | tank__ | lol |
| 07:02.04 | tank__ | thanks for that |
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| 07:02.16 | Supaplex | !tell tank__ -about enter |
| 07:02.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | gigo, that's in 2.26.2? |
| 07:02.31 | gigo | CutMeOwnThroat, so when do you think 2.26.2 will make it to squeeze? |
| 07:02.36 | gigo | CutMeOwnThroat, I guess so. |
| 07:02.55 | tank__ | i get kicked for using too many lines? |
| 07:02.59 | tank__ | interesting... |
| 07:03.32 | jintxo | tank__, yeah there's a lot of people in here an it can get pretty hard to follow a conversation when everybody is hitting enter all the time :-) |
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| 07:03.55 | tank__ | i see i see, then i will stick to one line and think before i type :D |
| 07:03.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | gigo, it's a fixed time (which I momentarily forgot) if no too-serious bugs turn up in that time for sid->testing migrations |
| 07:04.04 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 07:04.18 | Supaplex | greetings the great Azar |
| 07:04.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | gigo, you can /msg dpkg ssb |
| 07:04.24 | meshuggah | can someone help me to boot on usb with a bios that dont permit it???? |
| 07:04.24 | gigo | CutMeOwnThroat, is it in the order of weeks or months? |
| 07:04.34 | Azar | hey, mister Supaplex |
| 07:04.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | weeks, I'm just trying to look up the number |
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| 07:06.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | gigo, http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html#s3.1.7 |
| 07:06.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm... doesn't give a real time, but an example, though |
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| 07:07.31 | enouf | meshuggah: about the only thing i can think of offhand is some magic with memdisk from syslinux.zytor.com |
| 07:07.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | gigo, you can also probably just install the package from sid... mixing is not recommended, but... mostly not so bad between sid/testing (or look at the ssb-factoid) |
| 07:08.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !rube goldberg install |
| 07:08.04 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 07:08.17 | meshuggah | enouf, thank i will read it |
| 07:08.35 | enouf | meshuggah: maybe look at grub4dos, supergrub disk and hirens bootcd as well as SBM, though not sure if SBM would allow that |
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| 07:10.04 | tank__ | HOLY BANANAS ! monkeys of a green lantern! |
| 07:10.15 | mischief6 | i think the package denyhosts is broken. :( |
| 07:10.29 | tank__ | it worked peoples! should i install the grub ? |
| 07:10.40 | gigo | mischief6, you can file a bug. :-) |
| 07:10.49 | mischief6 | gigo, how do i do that? |
| 07:11.01 | gigo | mischief6, run the command: reportbug |
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| 07:11.19 | jintxo | tank__, if that's the only OS in the system and you want to boot it, you probably want "the grub", yes |
| 07:11.26 | Supaplex | meshuggah: have another os installed already? |
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| 07:11.49 | tank__ | wohoooo!!! |
| 07:12.13 | Supaplex | !win tank__ |
| 07:12.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, tank__! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 07:12.44 | meshuggah__ | <meshuggah> Supaplex, have debian |
| 07:12.45 | meshuggah__ | <meshuggah> Supaplex, but it is full of bugs |
| 07:12.45 | meshuggah__ | <meshuggah> Supaplex, so i think, maybe my burner is dying and cant burn good |
| 07:12.49 | tank__ | thanks dpkg and all !! viva la newbie graphical install !! |
| 07:13.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | gigo, seems 14 days + all packages it depends on have to be in testing |
| 07:13.20 | Supaplex | meshuggah__: can it burn mini.iso at 1x ? it's a 12mb cd |
| 07:13.24 | mischief6 | gigo, are you familiar with denyhosts? |
| 07:13.24 | gigo | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 07:13.33 | gigo | mischief6, no idea mischief6 |
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| 07:13.35 | jintxo | mischief6, how is it broken? I'd like to know cause I use it (lenny) and I may have missed something |
| 07:13.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | gigo, which means it can take bloody ages, if there's a bug holding one of the packages it depends on back :) |
| 07:13.44 | Supaplex | meshuggah__: or, download netboot images to /boot, and use grub to boot d-i |
| 07:13.47 | meshuggah__ | Supaplex, yes he can, but i dont trust it |
| 07:13.56 | meshuggah__ | Supaplex, good idea |
| 07:14.03 | mischief6 | jintxo, i has been working successfully for several months now |
| 07:14.10 | mischief6 | my /etc/hosts.deny has grown quite large |
| 07:14.36 | mischief6 | however, the problem is: when i ssh in (as root), i find myself immediately added to /etc/hosts.deny |
| 07:14.45 | mischief6 | even when the first attempt to login as root is successful |
| 07:14.54 | tank__ | uhhhh, now i logged in and nothing is comming up? |
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| 07:15.19 | Supaplex | mischief6: iptables -m recent > denyhosts |
| 07:15.26 | enouf | mischief6: i have/use denyhosts, but it's older - try fail2ban |
| 07:15.46 | mischief6 | Supaplex, i don't use iptables. |
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| 07:16.03 | jintxo | mischief6, you now you can whitelist your IP? |
| 07:16.20 | enouf | or .. read this; http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/faq.html and learn your /etc/ssh* config |
| 07:16.26 | jintxo | tank__, "nothing" as in "I get a command line" or nothing as in nothing |
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| 07:16.38 | tank__ | i have the desktop background |
| 07:16.42 | mischief6 | jintxo, i tried that. i entered 'ALL: <my hostname>" in hosts.allow, and it didn't work, i was still banned and unable to connect |
| 07:16.45 | Supaplex | my -m recent rules automatically reset in 60 seconds. if I lock myself out (remotely), I can simply wait one minute and I'm good. :) trusted hosts are accepted before -m recent takes effect. |
| 07:17.00 | jintxo | mischief6, because that's not the way to do it with denyhosts. gimme a sec |
| 07:17.19 | tank__ | why oh why is debian so ehkkkish? 1st time ive ever used it |
| 07:17.25 | Azar | tank__: no window manager chosen at install? |
| 07:17.32 | mischief6 | tank__, ehkkkish? |
| 07:17.45 | jintxo | mischief6, /var/lib/denyhosts, take a look in there |
| 07:17.55 | Supaplex | !lag |
| 07:17.55 | dpkg | lag is, like, the reason fnord has so many meanings |
| 07:18.02 | tank__ | Azar: yea, its all there, i installed, im logged in but only the background shows, no menus, bars, etc... |
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| 07:18.26 | tank__ | mischief6: its given me the most problems of any distro ive used before |
| 07:18.33 | Azar | eh, that's why I like about debian: no mess on the desktop |
| 07:18.55 | Supaplex | what desktop? desktops are for sissies! |
| 07:19.08 | Azar | tank__: don't know what is given on the newer debian, try right/left click to see if you got a menu |
| 07:19.26 | jintxo | tank__, so go into a command line and install yourself a desktop if you haven't one installed yet. or did you select to install a desktop during installation? |
| 07:19.29 | tank__ | Azar: tried and nothing |
| 07:19.40 | enouf | what's an Icon anyways? |
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| 07:19.49 | tank__ | jintxo: i did, im logged into it but no clicking, or anything works |
| 07:19.55 | Azar | ew, try to install from command line some window manager |
| 07:20.00 | Supaplex | enouf: I think you have to get American Idol first. |
| 07:20.12 | enouf | heh |
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| 07:20.38 | FredZ | How can I update the signatures to resolve this error "GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch)" |
| 07:20.40 | enouf | tank__: ever hear of this little thing called a shell? |
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| 07:21.04 | enouf | !no public key |
| 07:21.04 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. The current key will be linked at http://ftp-master.debian.org/. |
| 07:21.05 | tank__ | enouf: i cant pull it up |
| 07:21.12 | Azar | enouf: does he access a shell from where he is now? |
| 07:21.15 | FredZ | Generated whe using aptitude |
| 07:21.21 | Supaplex | give me /etc/shells or give me /dev/null ! |
| 07:21.24 | tank__ | im going to try to boot into root |
| 07:21.40 | enouf | FredZ: is apt-file and debian-archive-keyring installed?' |
| 07:21.56 | davidisko | hi guys, i tried apt-build world on lenny, but after while i'm getting "bsdutils will not be built because it doesn't have a source package. Missing source package name for source_by_source()." what's wrong? |
| 07:21.59 | enouf | !etch key |
| 07:21.59 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update |
| 07:22.05 | enouf | heh |
| 07:22.34 | enouf | i meant apt-key, not apt-file FredZ |
| 07:22.34 | valdyn | davidisko: newer version already in the source repo and probably in your binary repo |
| 07:22.42 | FredZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.46 | enouf | though apt-file is very useful |
| 07:22.57 | valdyn | davidisko: apt-build world is silly, why would you do that? |
| 07:23.14 | davidisko | valdyn: cause i want to optimize whole system? |
| 07:23.27 | Supaplex | !potato key |
| 07:23.30 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 07:23.33 | enouf | Azar: where is he now? |
| 07:23.48 | valdyn | davidisko: so youre gonna waste many hours im sure to gain 0.1% speed, if any |
| 07:24.00 | valdyn | davidisko: if thats ok, go ahead |
| 07:24.01 | Azar | enouf: he found himself on an empty window with no response from a possible window manager |
| 07:24.04 | Supaplex | !diminishing returns |
| 07:24.04 | dpkg | hmm... diminishing returns is where you spend more money/time/resources to get LESS in return. What's your cost worth? |
| 07:24.08 | davidisko | valdyn: do you have better ideas? |
| 07:24.19 | valdyn | davidisko: yes, dont do it. thats better |
| 07:24.22 | enouf | Azar: ctrl+alt+fn should drop him to login shells |
| 07:24.29 | davidisko | valdyn: and whhat should i do? |
| 07:24.32 | jintxo | Azar, when in that situation, you can usually CTRl-ALT-F1 into a console |
| 07:24.34 | Azar | enouf: he needs to go command line and see what he got installed |
| 07:24.35 | Supaplex | !gentoosmite davidisko |
| 07:24.35 | dpkg | spends 6 weeks recompiling davidisko, and when it's all done, davidisko runs no faster than previously |
| 07:24.39 | valdyn | davidisko: to achieve what? |
| 07:24.45 | Azar | yeah |
| 07:25.06 | Supaplex | uber g33kism. the chicks will dig him and his domain name. |
| 07:25.10 | Azar | with a brand new, shiny version is strange he has to dig like that |
| 07:25.12 | davidisko | valdyn: better performance |
| 07:25.19 | valdyn | davidisko: be specific |
| 07:25.36 | jintxo | Azar, he had some very strange problems with gnome-vfs during installation. probably related to his current situation |
| 07:25.47 | tank__ | ok whats going on? i am trying to change time, enter root pw, and now it says...Unsupported platform, not supported by this tool |
| 07:25.52 | Azar | jintxo: ah I see |
| 07:25.57 | Supaplex | davidisko: I heard Dilberts' boss ask for the same thing :) |
| 07:26.09 | valdyn | tank__: and we are supposed to guess the tool |
| 07:26.30 | tank__ | valdyn: i was just trying to adjust the time |
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| 07:26.39 | Azar | try "date" |
| 07:26.44 | valdyn | tank__: thats a repeat, it does not tell us the tool used |
| 07:26.52 | davidisko | valdyn: i have machine with 24x1TB harddrives in raid6 on 9650se 512MB, it's webfileserver.. but it gives little transfer spees... |
| 07:26.54 | foo | any way to do a reboot that does a killall on everything or something? Something is hanging and the reboot isn't happening... hmm |
| 07:26.55 | davidisko | *speeds |
| 07:27.16 | enouf | foo: learn sysrq |
| 07:27.20 | valdyn | davidisko: raid6 is slow |
| 07:27.25 | enouf | foo: /msg dpkg sysrq |
| 07:27.31 | valdyn | davidisko: why the fuck are you using raid6 for a web server |
| 07:27.33 | Supaplex | davidisko: why not raid10? |
| 07:27.38 | tank__ | valdyn: i went to System > Administration > Time and Date |
| 07:27.50 | valdyn | tank__: and you are not running debian/stable |
| 07:27.58 | davidisko | valdyn: and what do you recommmend? |
| 07:28.01 | valdyn | tank__: gnome-system-tools is like that, they explicitely check support |
| 07:28.04 | enouf | unless your kernel panics, then you should be able to break out of most anything |
| 07:28.06 | valdyn | davidisko: raid1 or raid10 |
| 07:28.22 | valdyn | davidisko: probably multiple raid1 is better than raid10 |
| 07:28.24 | tank__ | this is a whole other ballpark for me |
| 07:28.28 | Supaplex | davidisko: and how are all the drives connected to the system? SAS fan out via PCI-e ? |
| 07:28.34 | enouf | foo: does your keyboard work? got a working console? |
| 07:28.35 | davidisko | valdyn: raid1 on 24disks??? |
| 07:28.42 | OpenTokix | Raid 5 + 0 maybe? |
| 07:28.45 | valdyn | Supaplex: 9650se ? |
| 07:28.52 | valdyn | OpenTokix: omg no |
| 07:29.09 | foo | enouf: yeah, connected in via ssh... does that work? |
| 07:29.17 | valdyn | OpenTokix: seek times are breaking him, not raw transfer |
| 07:29.24 | davidisko | Supaplex: 3ware 9650 in some supermicro case.. (sata backplane) |
| 07:29.30 | enouf | foo: echo 'S' > /proc/sysrq-trigger ; echo 'U' > ... ; then B |
| 07:29.35 | valdyn | davidisko: 12 raid 1 or 6 raid10 |
| 07:29.35 | Supaplex | ahh. okay. |
| 07:29.39 | OpenTokix | oki doki |
| 07:29.45 | foo | enouf: load at 150. exim can't die. killall -9 exim does nothing... |
| 07:30.07 | foo | enouf: not sure what to do... or what's going on. exim -bpc just hangs. ps aux shows 150 exim processes |
| 07:30.11 | valdyn | davidisko: depends on your workload though |
| 07:30.13 | foo | enouf: best bet to reboot? |
| 07:30.24 | enouf | i never used killall, does it take SIGNAL numbers like that? |
| 07:30.30 | valdyn | davidisko: we dont know how many concurrent accesses you have |
| 07:30.33 | enouf | foo: do as i mentioned |
| 07:30.34 | davidisko | valdyn: i'm totally confused now.. i need big partition and, not secure |
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| 07:30.48 | foo | enouf: ok |
| 07:30.48 | valdyn | davidisko: thats hardly an issue with lvm |
| 07:30.50 | Supaplex | davidisko: what if a disk fails? |
| 07:31.03 | davidisko | Supaplex: that's why i'm using raid6 now |
| 07:31.05 | valdyn | davidisko: you need a workload where one concurrent access only uses one harddisk |
| 07:31.07 | foo | enouf: then what? |
| 07:31.09 | davidisko | Supaplex: 2disks can fail |
| 07:31.25 | valdyn | davidisko: so tell us how many concurrent accesses you have |
| 07:31.37 | foo | enouf: ok, done |
| 07:31.46 | jintxo | mischief6, did you get that about /var/lib/denyhosts/allowed-hosts ? |
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| 07:31.48 | enouf | foo: echo 'S' > /proc/sysrq-trigger ; echo 'U' > /proc-sysrq-trigger ; then echo 'B' > ... and the system should Sync ; Umount (remount ro) , and Boot |
| 07:31.54 | valdyn | davidisko: and tell us how much data and how much bandwidth each access needs |
| 07:32.02 | Supaplex | davidisko: how much storage do you really need? you could use raid10 and spares |
| 07:32.14 | foo | enouf: looks like I can still type in the terminal |
| 07:32.15 | valdyn | davidisko: raid6 is braindamage for performance anyway on a web server |
| 07:32.24 | enouf | foo: does alt-sysrq+h show a help screen? |
| 07:32.28 | davidisko | valdyn: i have about 3000runing instances of apache... traffic about 800mbit.. but not on this machine... but on 3machines together |
| 07:32.43 | davidisko | valdyn: and that 3machines needs to move to that one |
| 07:32.43 | foo | enouf: I did: echo 'S' > /proc/sysrq-trigger; echo 'U' > /proc/sysrq-trigger; echo 'B' > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 07:32.51 | valdyn | davidisko: is it possible that low ram or slow php scripts are breaking you? |
| 07:33.02 | jintxo | and maybe atime updates too |
| 07:33.04 | valdyn | davidisko: or is the bottleneck really the storage? |
| 07:33.08 | foo | enouf: I'm connected via ssh... does that still work? |
| 07:33.09 | enouf | foo: and? |
| 07:33.19 | foo | enouf: what will alt do over putty? |
| 07:33.22 | enouf | it should .. i'm not sure |
| 07:33.37 | enouf | putty? playdough? |
| 07:33.45 | foo | enouf: hm, doen't understand alt-sysrq |
| 07:33.49 | foo | enouf: what do you mean by that? |
| 07:33.53 | foo | enouf: putty, the windows ssh client |
| 07:34.00 | davidisko | Supaplex: there can't be raid10 |
| 07:34.10 | OpenTokix | raid 0 + 0 |
| 07:34.11 | valdyn | davidisko: why the hell not? |
| 07:34.20 | enouf | doesn't know windows tools/utils |
| 07:34.21 | jintxo | foo, I seem to recall just running "reboot" would do a dirty reboot without killing and syncing. is that still the case? |
| 07:34.40 | jintxo | save it for last option |
| 07:34.43 | OpenTokix | jintxo: reboot and shutdown -r now is the same |
| 07:34.43 | foo | jintxo: reboot is hanging |
| 07:35.06 | jintxo | OpenTokix, aw, I like my reboot command! lol |
| 07:35.21 | foo | enouf: what is alt-sysrq ? what do you mean by that? |
| 07:35.27 | jintxo | s/like/liked |
| 07:35.33 | enouf | oh ffs |
| 07:35.35 | mischief6 | jintxo, yes. i added my own host to that file, and now everything seems to be alright. |
| 07:35.47 | valdyn | foo: thats low level command interface to your kernel directly |
| 07:35.54 | enouf | i told you to message the bot as well ... plus i explained it all |
| 07:35.56 | davidisko | valdyn: probably storage.. but system is also paging huge ram for cache.. don't know if it could help to add 4time more ram.. system says commited ram is 20G in peak... i have 8G |
| 07:36.02 | jintxo | mischief6, cool. since you use it you may wat to read up on the man page and the conf file to get a grip of it |
| 07:36.17 | foo | valdyn: alt-sysrq is a command? |
| 07:36.20 | valdyn | davidisko: check vmstat output and top |
| 07:36.36 | valdyn | foo: not directly, it can be triggered in different ways |
| 07:36.40 | foo | valdyn: I don't think alt-printscreen will send over SSH... pretty sure it won't |
| 07:36.42 | Supaplex | davidisko: uh, did you say it's a 3ware controller? |
| 07:36.45 | davidisko | valdyn: raid10 is half of storage capacity.. that means we'll have from 24TB array only 12TB array usable, don't we? |
| 07:36.55 | davidisko | Supaplex: yes |
| 07:37.08 | Sazpaimon_ | http://pastebin.com/mf6db905 so this shows up in my kern.log before i was forced to reboot my server. Any idea how I can trace where its coming from? |
| 07:37.22 | Supaplex | davidisko: then it should have hardware accelration for crc operations. what's the load average on this box? |
| 07:37.37 | enouf | foo: echo-ing the way we did should've worked though - so long as your kernel has CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y |
| 07:37.46 | davidisko | valdyn: top just says apache is winning :) but i don't really understand what vmstat says |
| 07:37.50 | valdyn | foo: what does alt-printscreen have to do with it? |
| 07:37.54 | foo | enouf: as of right now I did the echoing... reboot hangs |
| 07:37.58 | foo | valdyn: that's what the bot told me |
| 07:38.07 | valdyn | davidisko: whats top saying about wa% ? |
| 07:38.12 | foo | is running off 3h sleep and the real admin isn't around, gah |
| 07:38.28 | valdyn | foo: it didnt |
| 07:38.35 | davidisko | Supaplex: until 300mbit of outgoing traffic it's loads are 0-1 while 600mbits are incerasing loads to 200 |
| 07:38.37 | foo | enouf: "should have worked" ... system is still hanging on reboot, 170 load, |
| 07:38.38 | valdyn | foo: ctrl-alt-prtscrn probably, |
| 07:38.43 | xingu | davidisko: so pastebin say ten lines worth of vmstat 1 and let someone look... |
| 07:38.55 | tank__ | < hating life |
| 07:39.06 | foo | valdyn: yeah |
| 07:39.17 | enouf | foo: could be locked from swapping, oopsing or panicking ... who knows |
| 07:39.18 | xingu | davidisko: what do you mean by "paging huge ram for cache" exactly |
| 07:39.19 | valdyn | foo: disabled by default i think anyway |
| 07:39.28 | foo | err, I'm really shocked killall -9 exim doesn't kill exim |
| 07:39.52 | enouf | foo: if init owns it (parent) ofcourse it wouldn't |
| 07:40.24 | foo | err, seems like a hardware reboot is my only option |
| 07:40.31 | Azar | tank__: I have no idea what you installed and if it is only the gnome problem get rid of it and go with a simple background image made with feh and install fluxbox or openbox and you are in business. |
| 07:40.50 | enouf | i would've used pkill exim4 myself .. still .. same applies (about PPID) |
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| 07:41.04 | tank__ | Azar: if i knew how to do that, i would |
| 07:41.06 | tank__ | :\ |
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| 07:41.08 | davidisko | valdyn: at the moment, %wa is 20.. but that's only 300apaches running.. if i let this server to serve all content.. it'll probably rapidly get high.. as i wrote to supaplex until 300mbit of outgoing traffic it's loads are 0-1 while 600mbits are incerasing loads to 200 |
| 07:41.16 | jintxo | foo, and find the source of the problem (reply-all storm or virus outbreak maybe) |
| 07:41.32 | johntramp | aa/wc |
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| 07:41.52 | davidisko | xingu: i mean that free -m shows 7123mb of ram as cached while 43mb free |
| 07:42.11 | Azar | tank__: use apt-get search <packagename> to see if you can find feh (for bgimage) then install it, and same for fluxbox or openbox or whatever your window manager you want and install it |
| 07:42.12 | foo | jintxo: I'd like to. Any tips? server load 180. 10 exim processes |
| 07:42.19 | foo | jintxo: strange, 100 nrpe processes |
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| 07:42.52 | Azar | tank__: that would be the simplest way to have something functional |
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| 07:42.59 | fantomas | hi all |
| 07:43.02 | fantomas | I've built 2.6.29 kernel, but it fails on install - postinst phase. How to know why it fails? |
| 07:43.07 | fantomas | Ubuntu here |
| 07:43.09 | tank__ | Azar: so what am i running now? gnome? |
| 07:43.11 | fantomas | anyway |
| 07:43.11 | davidisko | xingu: that's what vmstat 1 says while running 300apaches, probably 300mbit outgoing traffic... http://pastebin.com/m72b0626 |
| 07:43.23 | jintxo | foo, fist things first, get into a normal state somehow |
| 07:43.35 | Azar | tank__: I did not paid attention or I wasnt' here, don't know what you have installed in the first place |
| 07:43.54 | foo | jintxo: I am |
| 07:43.57 | jintxo | tank__, yeah gnome is the default if you do a desktop install. try with xfce which I like |
| 07:44.22 | enouf | foo: if you hard reset, i suggest you fsck / FS and others after pronto |
| 07:44.55 | foo | enouf: don't think I am, load seems to be dropping |
| 07:45.01 | foo | 32 now... |
| 07:45.20 | foo | enouf: Really not sure what caused this spike, though |
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| 07:45.29 | jintxo | tank__, and seeing that your problem during installation was with gnome-vfs, maybeyuor computer doesn't like gnome and wants another friend? |
| 07:45.32 | foo | actually, it might have been nrpe |
| 07:45.35 | davidisko | valdyn: there is no help for me?:( |
| 07:45.58 | foo | actually, it might have been nrpe |
| 07:46.01 | foo | whoops |
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| 07:46.14 | tank__ | im about to just install fedora |
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| 07:47.11 | enouf | no idea what nrpe is, nor where and what any windows ssh client is involved |
| 07:47.21 | foo | weird. |
| 07:47.28 | xingu | davidisko: ok so under load if the si/so column spirals then you have a memory footprint problem (the system is paging) |
| 07:47.28 | foo | enouf: nrpe is used with nagios so I can monitor the server |
| 07:47.46 | enouf | from a windows client remotely? |
| 07:47.48 | jintxo | tank__, nothing wrong with installing whatever works for you. you got kind of a strange problem going there. |
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| 07:48.09 | xingu | davidisko: however on those numbers I'd have serious questions about your NIC in all honesty; what is it? 8k interrupts/s is ludicrous (pci arch tends to top out at about 9k) |
| 07:48.28 | foo | enouf: no, windows client is simply a windows ssh client... nagios is something else |
| 07:48.41 | enouf | i know what nagios is |
| 07:48.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | jintxo, still at it? |
| 07:49.02 | foo | thought you might |
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| 07:49.55 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache show nrpe |
| 07:49.56 | enouf | W: Unable to locate package nrpe |
| 07:50.27 | fantomas | how to configure touchpad on laptops? |
| 07:50.44 | enouf | !synaptics |
| 07:50.44 | dpkg | it has been said that synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html Does not support X.org auto-configuration. |
| 07:50.56 | davidisko | xingu: it's Intel Corporation 80003ES2LAN Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) (rev 01) |
| 07:51.16 | davidisko | xingu: Kernel driver in use: e1000e |
| 07:51.21 | enouf | ugh |
| 07:51.28 | jintxo | CutMeOwnThroat, I guess. poor tank__'s puter and gnome don't seem to get along very well :-p |
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| 07:51.31 | enouf | not that one |
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| 07:52.22 | Azar | jintxo: why? not enough memory or space for gnome on tank__ ? |
| 07:52.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | jintxo, but he got the system up? |
| 07:52.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | wooo |
| 07:52.53 | tank__ | no, its just i try to d/l virtualbox and the links dont start the d/l |
| 07:53.02 | tank__ | the nvidia drivers = headache |
| 07:53.18 | jintxo | tank__, what's your current situation? a-ok as far as the basics? |
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| 07:54.01 | enouf | i think he's struggling to not learn .. and wants to have problems |
| 07:54.14 | Azar | ugh... I am not so far into gadgets.. my entire debian system + stuff takes very little... only 1.5GB or so |
| 07:54.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, this time, I concur with the analysis |
| 07:54.45 | tank__ | jintxo: yea, basics = ok |
| 07:55.17 | enouf | base-system up and running != learning the basics! ;-) |
| 07:55.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | sometimes the easy way really is the hard way :) |
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| 07:55.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | been there, done that |
| 07:56.39 | jintxo | tank__, good, now time for some learning to use apt and checking out online docs; now you have the tools to learn, so have at it. |
| 07:57.00 | enouf | do /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 07:57.50 | khades | i've just updated debian sid |
| 07:57.56 | khades | and X11 refuses to start |
| 07:58.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | as if he'd read all that... after a short glance into the ig was already too much |
| 07:58.06 | khades | but xdm starts well |
| 07:58.10 | khades | what to do? |
| 07:58.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it's sid |
| 07:59.46 | jintxo | goes to set up the new slowlaris release |
| 07:59.48 | Azar | khades: when you upgrade you have to know that components might need worked on as well... research |
| 08:00.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | find out what's wrong, write a patch and a bugreport |
| 08:00.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously X starts, so it's the WM |
| 08:01.07 | Azar | usually you read release notes, and apply recommendations, prepare before the upgrade |
| 08:01.21 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 08:01.22 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror), it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/squeeze... |
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| 08:03.06 | valdyn | davidisko: load just means you have a bottleneck |
| 08:03.23 | valdyn | davidisko: if on high load the wa% is very high then the bottle neck is not the cpu |
| 08:03.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | davidisko? |
| 08:04.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | how far in your backlog do you dig :) |
| 08:04.23 | valdyn | davidisko: then you need to read vmstat output to tell if its the disk paging or accessing files or not your storage/memory system, in which case its your nic, xingu said something to that before |
| 08:05.40 | davidisko | xingu: /query valdyn |
| 08:05.44 | davidisko | hups |
| 08:06.42 | valdyn | davidisko: you can read iotop output too, but iotop values are also hard to read correctly |
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| 08:07.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 08:07.30 | Azar | khades: readme file of X11 maybe it will tell you in which conditions (changes, upgrades) refuses to work. |
| 08:07.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | why is the sidfaq <i>especially</i> aimed at slashdot readers? |
| 08:08.35 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: ask the author |
| 08:08.53 | tank__ | anyone recommend any good apt tutorials? |
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| 08:09.06 | Azar | tank__: it's on debian website |
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| 08:09.18 | tank__ | Azar: ty |
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| 08:09.34 | enouf | !apt-howto |
| 08:09.34 | dpkg | The APT HOWTO is obsolete. See Debian <BTS> bug #493787 and ask me about <reference> instead. |
| 08:09.48 | enouf | !reference |
| 08:09.48 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version is at http://qref.sf.net/ , also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is "debian-reference": 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 08:09.53 | khades | it tries to start aiglx |
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| 08:10.04 | khades | and i don't know how to disable this |
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| 08:11.48 | davidisko | valdyn: so %wa is telling that CPU is waiting? |
| 08:12.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, he was actually around recently |
| 08:12.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | lets see if I'll remember for long enough |
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| 08:14.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | davidisko, obviously |
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| 08:17.01 | simonrvn | percent wa(it) |
| 08:17.02 | valdyn | davidisko: yes |
| 08:17.14 | valdyn | davidisko: not actively waiting |
| 08:17.41 | valdyn | davidisko: wa% is like idle, but its giving a reason why its idling |
| 08:17.51 | Azar | honorable simonrvn , honorable valdyn, hi |
| 08:18.12 | valdyn | davidisko: that means taht during wa% time a process that is not waiting for i/o could run |
| 08:18.21 | valdyn | davidisko: but theres none or there would not be wa% |
| 08:19.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I always thought wa is a busy state |
| 08:19.42 | valdyn | Azar: hoho,hihi |
| 08:20.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | wa -- iowait Amount of time the CPU has been waiting for I/O to complete. |
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| 08:20.30 | Azar | :) |
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| 08:22.09 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: run dd if=/some/disk of=/dev/null, then check wa%, then run some cpu eater, then check wa% |
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| 08:22.40 | simonrvn | Azar: hey dude |
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| 08:22.52 | foo | for i in $(exim -bp|awk '{print $3}'|grep -v ^$); do exim -Mrm $i: ;done - why isn't this cleainr the message queue? I get this error: exim: malformed message id 1M0AQC-0003zq-Vc: after -Mrm option ... but if I copy /paste the id it removes it... any ideas? |
| 08:23.05 | simonrvn | BTW, who's responsible for the debian wiki? |
| 08:23.06 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: obviously that gets a little more effort if you have more than 1 core |
| 08:23.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed :) |
| 08:23.29 | simonrvn | never mind |
| 08:24.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, what about disks without DMA... |
| 08:24.26 | Azar | guys nice to come back after one year and see lenny out: now I am curious, does lenny satisfy the existing hardware and blobs, or is just same game of prepare ATI, Nvidia and Ethernet firmware as I did when I installed Woody then Sarge? |
| 08:24.30 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: no wa% ? |
| 08:24.39 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: just very high sy% i guess |
| 08:24.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, that becomes us% or sy%? |
| 08:24.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, right |
| 08:25.50 | valdyn | Azar: ethernet firmware? maybe you mean wlan |
| 08:27.01 | valdyn | Azar: same old thing nearly |
| 08:27.01 | Azar | valdyn: yeah |
| 08:27.24 | tank__ | i am missing the synaptic package manager |
| 08:27.28 | Azar | ah I see, so sorry to hear. |
| 08:27.35 | valdyn | Azar: radeon(hd) supports newer hardware now, but then time has passed too, so they didnt get any closer |
| 08:27.37 | Azar | tank__: use aptitude |
| 08:28.03 | Marni | hi |
| 08:28.04 | valdyn | or use aptitude to install synaptic |
| 08:28.22 | Marni | did anyone put Debian 5 on LDom (on UltraSPARC) successfully? |
| 08:28.29 | Azar | valdyn: maybe with the economy issue, they gonna stop making upgraded hardware so fast.. |
| 08:28.58 | valdyn | Azar: no way |
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| 08:29.28 | valdyn | Azar: not being able to sell highend of each generation wont slow this down |
| 08:29.29 | Azar | or maybe obama could force them to release the code :) |
| 08:29.41 | tank__ | valdyn: i cant find synaptic in aptitude |
| 08:29.59 | Azar | valdyn: me is seeing some mergers or trims on some companies |
| 08:30.00 | zhxk | hello,how to let Nautilus open folder in the same windows, thanks! |
| 08:30.02 | valdyn | tank__: aptitude install synaptic |
| 08:30.34 | valdyn | zhxk: nautilis->edit->preferences |
| 08:31.03 | tank__ | valdyn: didnt find it..? |
| 08:31.18 | valdyn | judd: versions synaptic |
| 08:31.19 | judd | valdyn: synaptic -- etch: 0.57.11.1+b1 lenny: 0.62.1+nmu1 squeeze: 0.62.5 sid: 0.62.5+b1 |
| 08:31.25 | valdyn | tank__: why not? |
| 08:31.36 | enouf | tank__: is you internet working? sources.list is correct? aptitude update |
| 08:31.45 | Dewio | can I upgrade from oldstable to stable without changing kernels? |
| 08:31.54 | tank__ | valdyn: what do i need in sources.list? |
| 08:32.00 | simonrvn | ploink, done |
| 08:32.02 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 08:32.03 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 08:32.03 | Dewi | I think I need to slightly modify a module to get it to work... |
| 08:32.25 | valdyn | Dewi: you can use old kernels with stable |
| 08:32.33 | valdyn | Dewi: you *cannot* use old kernels with stable |
| 08:32.53 | Dewi | valdyn: I'll remember those 2 axioms at all times |
| 08:33.23 | enouf | valdyn: how about a etch-backports .26? |
| 08:33.37 | valdyn | enouf: i doubt taht would help him |
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| 08:33.38 | Dewi | valdyn: okay so the question is, how do I compile a custom NIC module for stable when I'm on oldstable? |
| 08:33.44 | tank__ | valdyn: ah! |
| 08:34.07 | valdyn | Dewi: packages get downloaded first, kernels changed only on a reboot |
| 08:34.07 | tank__ | valdyn: the lines were not uncommented because i didnt use eth ports during install |
| 08:34.08 | enouf | valdyn: i dount many things ;-) ... but i just thought i'd ask |
| 08:34.12 | valdyn | Dewi: you dont need to do that |
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| 08:34.30 | Dewi | valdyn: yeah I guess, as long as I have the right dev stuff installed beforehand |
| 08:34.34 | tank__ | valdyn: it still doesnt find them though |
| 08:34.49 | valdyn | tank__: you need to run aptitude update |
| 08:34.58 | tank__ | valdyn: i did |
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| 08:35.09 | valdyn | tank__: paste the output of apt-cache policy |
| 08:35.18 | Dewi | valdyn: hmm, can I get the source for a particular module for a particular repository linux-image? |
| 08:35.32 | enouf | tank__: and what is the exact error? |
| 08:35.32 | Dewi | valdyn: my problem is that I'm running a module on k7 arch, and the same module doesn't work in i686 |
| 08:35.33 | valdyn | Dewi: you only need the headers |
| 08:35.40 | valdyn | Dewi: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 08:35.44 | Dewi | valdyn: so it seems that they are different |
| 08:36.00 | Dewi | valdyn: no, I need the actual source, to build the k7 one in i686 |
| 08:36.13 | tank__ | 0 packages upgrades, 0 newly installed |
| 08:36.17 | valdyn | Dewi: that is *also* at packages.debian.org |
| 08:36.19 | enouf | Dewi: lspci -nn of your NIC |
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| 08:37.13 | enouf | tank__: did you comment out the file:/cdrom line in sources.list and do you have a security line? |
| 08:37.25 | enouf | !security |
| 08:37.26 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude dist-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
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| 08:38.03 | tank__ | enouf: yup |
| 08:38.05 | enouf | tank__: and i meant the error from running "aptitude install synaptic" |
| 08:38.30 | Azar | tank__: learn how to use aptitude, here is an old APT HOWTO, replace apt-get in the reading with "aptitude" word: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 08:38.56 | Dewi | enouf: how do I see which module is loaded on which PCI device? |
| 08:39.05 | tank__ | authentication rejected, none of the authentication protocols are supported...etc... |
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| 08:39.47 | Azar | tank__: and ignore the sources.list samples from the article. They were meant to point to sources that are now obsolete. |
| 08:39.53 | simonrvn | Dewi: a newer lspci can do that |
| 08:39.56 | enouf | Dewi: lspci -nnk in Lenny ;-) .. it's in /sys though ... hrm try this; udevinfo -q -a /sys/class/net/ethX and look at Driver |
| 08:40.15 | enouf | Dewi: also dmesg should show it, as well as lshal, lshw, etc |
| 08:40.16 | tank__ | Azar: i think thats my issue |
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| 08:40.45 | tank__ | Azar: it doesnt know where to get the package in saying, where is there a list of repositories to add to sources.lst? |
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| 08:41.02 | enouf | !mirrors |
| 08:41.02 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>. |
| 08:41.11 | Azar | tank__: well, learn the proper punctuation and proper sources addresses you need to use in your sources.list |
| 08:41.30 | Dewi | enouf: I have 2 NICs... problem is with forcedeth I think (or maybe skge) |
| 08:41.43 | Dewi | enouf: in i686 the MAC address comes up as all zeros and module refuses to load |
| 08:41.47 | Azar | tank__: I would assume you have the basics of editing a file and save it, in order to fix that |
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| 08:42.06 | Dewi | enouf: same module works fine in k7 |
| 08:42.10 | Dewi | enouf: but k7 disappeared |
| 08:42.15 | enouf | tank__: see " ... Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> ..." from the sources.list factoid? those items in between < and > are other factoids ; do /msg dpkg msgthebot |
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| 08:42.32 | mike-solidus | hey guys, i have a core 2 quad 9550, is that ia64 or amd64? |
| 08:42.50 | Dewi | enouf: heh, maybe I should just try i386 or something |
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| 08:43.06 | Dewi | 486 rather |
| 08:43.13 | enouf | Dewi: someone was here recently and used a workaround of loading "options forcedeth msi= msix=" to make theirs work |
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| 08:43.39 | Dewi | enouf: in udev config? |
| 08:43.46 | enouf | Dewi: that would be placed in any file you make in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 08:43.55 | Dewi | sorry yeah that's where I meant |
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| 08:44.24 | enouf | Dewi: now, IIRC, the msi=0 msix=0 were the values, but i really forget |
| 08:44.44 | Dewi | enouf: I wonder what they mean |
| 08:44.46 | enouf | Dewi: modinfo forcedeth |
| 08:45.07 | enouf | parm: msi:MSI interrupts are enabled by setting to 1 and disabled by setting to 0. (int) |
| 08:45.07 | enouf | parm: msix:MSIX interrupts are enabled by setting to 1 and disabled by setting to 0. (int) |
| 08:45.18 | enouf | i did that since i know you have not a .26 kernel there |
| 08:45.53 | enouf | there's also kernel boot params concerning MSI , but those seemed to help that other guy |
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| 08:46.35 | Dewi | enouf: yeah, I'm running .18-5, hopefully getin .18-6 working, then on to stable |
| 08:46.57 | enouf | Dewi: also /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 08:47.01 | Dewi | yeah |
| 08:47.08 | Dewi | I will :) |
| 08:47.19 | Dewi | gone are the days of blind dist-upgrades |
| 08:47.23 | JyZyXEL | if your computer crashes and you reboot, where are the logs of the last crash? |
| 08:48.16 | Stanlin | abrotman yohoo |
| 08:48.20 | Stanlin | !find abrotman |
| 08:48.28 | Stanlin | !spawn Abrotman |
| 08:49.12 | enouf | Dewi: ahh .. it was "$ udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0" |
| 08:49.24 | enouf | well - without the $ |
| 08:49.43 | enouf | adjust the ethX accordingly |
| 08:49.52 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'abrotman' returned no results. |
| 08:49.55 | Stanlin | enouf: I need of your help |
| 08:50.12 | enouf | udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0 | grep DRIVERS |
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| 08:51.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stanlin, there there, abrotman'll be back |
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| 08:52.04 | Stanlin | enouf: how the debian livecd (IF it uses sqashfs), detects the cd rom drive with the squashfs-files on it ? |
| 08:52.40 | tank__ | Ahhhh!!!! im gona go insane |
| 08:53.05 | enouf | Dewi: here's another way; $ basename `readlink -f /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver/module/` |
| 08:53.50 | enouf | Stanlin: no idea |
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| 08:55.00 | Azar | Stanlin: I was curious to "see" abrotman too |
| 08:55.04 | enouf | hey tank__ , where's dozer? |
| 08:55.12 | tank__ | dozer? |
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| 08:55.25 | Stanlin | help, anyone knows how the debian livecd (IF it uses sqashfs), detects the cd rom drive with the squashfs-files on it |
| 08:55.25 | enouf | (matrix reference :-P) |
| 08:56.02 | tank__ | my box just froxe!!!!! |
| 08:56.22 | Stanlin | Azar: yeah... looks like he doesnt like debian anymore |
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| 09:03.30 | Dewi | enouf: thanks a lot. See you on the other side :) |
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| 09:03.56 | Azar | tank__: you know what, if your PC is so old or so limited in hardware resources, install the Debian stable version as bare bones, without gnome. From there learn how to use command line, navigate the filesystem, get to know it, practice with editing files - learn how to use an editor, learn about aptitude and how to use it, and only then install a window interface. |
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| 09:04.46 | tank__ | Azar: i need to get my server up and running, i dont have years to invest here... i have to run my business |
| 09:04.48 | Azar | Stanlin: the way I heard is that he sleeps everyday some hours. |
| 09:05.12 | tank__ | Azar: either way, i found a good site that explains aptitude and how to use it and adding repo's and such... |
| 09:05.46 | Azar | tank__: you could remove gnome then install a very small and easy program that helps you put a background image, and install also a small window manager, no icons sorry just menu at mouse click |
| 09:06.14 | tank__ | its ok, ill do that when i get virtualbox up and running |
| 09:06.15 | Azar | that what I have, is light and easy |
| 09:06.27 | Azar | virtualbox for what? |
| 09:06.35 | tank__ | to run my virtual machines |
| 09:06.50 | Azar | damn |
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| 09:10.19 | Azar | that what happens when drinking and writing software: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200904/errord/grafikfehler1qw9.jpg |
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| 09:10.47 | app4des | A question, what kind of problems would I expect if I use lenny with a sid kernel (from buildserver)? |
| 09:11.39 | Azar | app4des: expect components to start protesting to incompatibilities : we were not made for this kernel!@ |
| 09:12.06 | Azar | so if you know how to custom temper their madness, have at it |
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| 09:12.39 | app4des | Azar, what kind of components are more prone to kernel change? |
| 09:12.49 | tank__ | Azar: got it ! |
| 09:12.53 | Azar | mostly video |
| 09:13.32 | jaggy- | famd sucks |
| 09:13.55 | jaggy- | (that's a bit harsh.. it sometimes freaks and starts taking up 98% cpu) |
| 09:14.19 | Azar | is like the joke: a police station staff were given logical tests: they were required to fit spheres, cubes into proper shaped holes. The result: 100% of staff were found being phisically very strong. |
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| 09:16.38 | Azar | app4des: the way I think it, every kernel carries specific drivers versions for your hardware. So I think is normal that you know your hardware's firmware and know how to work the drivers to work with the kernel. Maybe you know how to tweak the kernel to have your drivers fit. |
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| 09:22.48 | bolt | my raid5 just threw out one of the connected drives, marking it as failed. smartctl reports the drive being perfectly fine, and i was able to remove and re-add it just fine. this is the kernel log from the event: http://pastebin.com/f67bc423c can anyone tell me what happened? |
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| 09:31.38 | khades | they gonna hack you |
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| 09:32.04 | pyrohotdog | My application menu doesn't list anything...and alacarte won't launch! |
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| 09:35.36 | eap | pyrohotdog: have you tried 'update-menus' as root ? ( |
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| 09:36.02 | pyrohotdog | eap: yes, didn't do anything. |
| 09:36.32 | anewbie | hi there guys how about grub on ahci ? i have problems with that .. i thng that there is somkind of no compability between grub and ahci but not sure |
| 09:36.38 | anewbie | can some one give a hand here |
| 09:36.41 | NiLon | what I should be looking for if I wanna make * from numpad instead of "writing to file" in nano? using putty as terminal client |
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| 09:39.01 | NiLon | actually it won't regonice numpad |
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| 09:39.22 | intx | wtf is this. |
| 09:39.25 | intx | http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/justin/packagemanagersecurity/attacks-on-package-managers.html |
| 09:39.26 | intx | fud! :P |
| 09:39.26 | intx | fud! |
| 09:39.37 | intx | latest stable apt is not vulenerable! :P |
| 09:39.46 | intx | well, typically. |
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| 09:41.03 | msshams | how can i direct new mail from account1 save in folder1 in evolution? |
| 09:43.46 | dirkD | how does the debian livecd know where filesystem.squashfs is? |
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| 09:44.24 | unixluser | i'd rather only have to connect to one |
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| 09:44.56 | unixluser | or are dickheads and assholes allowed to freely roam here, whereas the oftc has more active ops? |
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| 09:46.17 | NiLon | sounds like you should remove yourself |
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| 09:47.08 | unixluser | incomplete |
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| 09:47.54 | DustyDingo | unixluser: dickheads and assholes rome here, yes |
| 09:48.38 | unixluser | read again to get a better gist of what i'm saying |
| 09:48.43 | unixluser | no effort to troll |
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| 10:12.36 | mischief6 | anyone know why whenever i connect to a remote host, the system fails to resolve the DNS, but the second time i try to connect it works? |
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| 10:21.06 | TryingTo | why is psybnc crashing on amd 64 |
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| 10:22.10 | szonek | hi |
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| 10:22.51 | szonek | in my sudoers file there is entry: www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp|udp but it doesn't work, when i try to add this rule with -p tcp it prompts me for password |
| 10:23.22 | szonek | how can i use regexp to do this? |
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| 10:23.42 | szonek | [tcp|udp]* works but it isn't exaclty what i want |
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| 10:26.04 | Trashlord | so what do you guys think of ubuntu? |
| 10:26.32 | nkuttler | Trashlord: that it's off topic |
| 10:26.33 | unixSnob | ubuntu is designed for laypeople |
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| 10:26.56 | unixSnob | debian is like ubuntu, but more for technical users |
| 10:27.01 | Trashlord | don't you mean you hate it and want it to die? |
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| 10:27.27 | szonek | debian is more like server system for me |
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| 10:27.36 | szonek | ubuntu is ok for desktop/laptop |
| 10:28.23 | Trashlord | oh |
| 10:29.08 | Trashlord | well, thanks for the answers, that covers what I needed to know :) |
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| 10:31.23 | alex2 | anyone can paste here link for netinstall amd64 sqeeze ? i cant find it |
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| 10:38.17 | e1luca | is there any difference between debian-501-i386-DVD-1.iso , debian-501-i386-DVD-2.iso... 3, 4, 5.iso? tnx |
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| 10:38.28 | alex2 | software |
| 10:38.58 | e1luca | where can I find the diff explained? |
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| 10:39.19 | e1luca | I want one most sutable for descktop/laptop |
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| 10:40.19 | alex2 | netinstall can be good choice |
| 10:40.22 | szonek | in my sudoers file there is entry: www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp|udp but it doesn't work, when i try to add this rule with -p tcp it prompts me for password, -p [tcp|udp]* works but it's not exactly what i need |
| 10:40.47 | e1luca | I have only wi fi connection will it work? |
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| 10:42.22 | alex2 | slow connection not good |
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| 10:43.13 | e1luca | it's not slow but it's not supported (I just read on debian.org) tnx alex2 |
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| 10:44.07 | e1luca | still I can't find the content sumary for those DVD.iso |
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| 10:46.02 | judgepg | gentlemen, I've got iptables setup on my PC. If my PC is behind a router that serves as a firewall (and restricts inbound traffic), is a firewall necessary on the client machine? |
| 10:46.35 | judgepg | thank you |
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| 10:46.38 | valdyn | szonek: what the hell is the purpose of this sudo stuff? |
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| 10:47.07 | JyZyXEL | judgepg what do you mean necessary? |
| 10:47.12 | szonek | valdyn: i want to give my PHP script rights to add iptables entries |
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| 10:47.28 | JyZyXEL | it really depends what you wanna do |
| 10:47.40 | valdyn | szonek: whats the point of that? |
| 10:47.44 | judgepg | JyZyXEL: let me revise, is a client-side iptables script necessary, if a router already has a firewall that restricts inbound packets? |
| 10:47.55 | judgepg | when I say necessary, I mean do we need one? |
| 10:48.14 | valdyn | szonek: one wrong rule inserted and you need root anyway |
| 10:48.16 | szonek | valdyn: i'm creating linux based router with web interface as my master thesis |
| 10:48.28 | JyZyXEL | well if restricting incoming traffic is all you wanna do then the gateway is already doing it so, no |
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| 10:48.45 | valdyn | szonek: why dont you make iptables suid root |
| 10:49.07 | judgepg | JyZyXEL: thanks. What 'additional' security might I want on my client machine? |
| 10:49.16 | judgepg | JyZyXEL: if I want to allow all outbound traffic |
| 10:49.23 | valdyn | szonek: or give a specific user full access to iptables ( via sudo or whatever ) |
| 10:49.49 | szonek | valdyn: yeah i could add just /sbin/iptables in my /etc/sudoers file |
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| 10:50.00 | valdyn | szonek: that would be sane at least |
| 10:50.12 | JyZyXEL | judgepg well have your firewall fully updated and cofigured right :p |
| 10:50.17 | szonek | valdyn: but i thought it would be safer to add specific rules used by my script |
| 10:50.42 | valdyn | szonek: thats going to get seriously complex once you need to remove specific rules |
| 10:50.54 | valdyn | szonek: and at the same time disallow removal of specific rules? |
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| 10:51.00 | valdyn | szonek: all via sudoers, not made for that |
| 10:51.04 | judgepg | JyZyXEL: good point brother |
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| 10:51.25 | szonek | valdyn: okay, i will add just /sbin/iptables |
| 10:51.38 | valdyn | szonek: its also saner if you create a wrapper around iptables, where that wrapper controls what it runs and what not |
| 10:52.01 | valdyn | szonek: where that wrapper gets added to sudeors then |
| 10:52.11 | szonek | mhm, i thought about that |
| 10:52.35 | JyZyXEL | judgepg also you might want to look into a program called "shorewall", it makes configuring a firewall machine for your network easier |
| 10:52.47 | JyZyXEL | theres also a nice tutorial for setting it up |
| 10:53.08 | judgepg | JyZyXEL: I'm using tomato under WRT54GL |
| 10:53.18 | judgepg | JyZyXEL: and I know tomato has iptables |
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| 10:53.26 | valdyn | szonek: much easier and saner, you can use whatever regex supporting programming language for that wrapper |
| 10:53.38 | judgepg | JyZyXEL: but let me look into shorewall as well |
| 10:54.52 | JyZyXEL | judgepg reading this wouldn't hurt: http://www.shorewall.net/two-interface.htm ;) |
| 10:55.22 | szonek | valdyn: yeah but because i'm newbie the only choice i have is sh/bash :) |
| 10:55.26 | bolt | my raid5 just threw out one of the connected drives, marking it as failed. smartctl reports the drive being perfectly fine, and i was able to remove and re-add it just fine. this is the kernel log from the event: http://pastebin.com/f67bc423c can anyone tell me what happened? |
| 10:55.39 | valdyn | szonek: youre doing a master thesis... |
| 10:55.48 | valdyn | szonek: didnt you study cs? |
| 10:56.02 | judgepg | JyZyXEL: thanks for that article. Will give that a go for sure |
| 10:56.15 | valdyn | szonek: perl is made for things like this |
| 10:57.53 | szonek | valdyn: yeah i did study cs but it doesn't mean i've programmed in perl.. unfortunately |
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| 10:58.06 | valdyn | bolt: its not reporting faulty blocks |
| 10:58.12 | valdyn | bolt: or disk hardware faults |
| 10:58.23 | valdyn | bolt: sure smartctl might report its fine |
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| 10:58.50 | bolt | valdyn: what could be the issue, then? it happened to another drive last week |
| 10:59.19 | valdyn | bolt: no idea, the error codes are in the ata or sata spec |
| 10:59.29 | valdyn | bolt: and those error codes are in your paste |
| 10:59.53 | szonek | valdyn: but i will check it out |
| 11:00.03 | szonek | valdyn: and try to write it in perl |
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| 11:00.20 | bolt | valdyn: the 0x4050002 ? |
| 11:00.22 | valdyn | szonek: many languages can do this |
| 11:00.28 | alex2 | cant find debian testing netinstall :X |
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| 11:00.35 | alex2 | !download |
| 11:00.35 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 11:00.44 | valdyn | bolt: i think so |
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| 11:01.11 | valdyn | szonek: any language can do it obviously, im sure java has nice regex classes |
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| 11:05.44 | salvin | !moo |
| 11:05.46 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 11:09.15 | heroxbd | Hi. A bit OT: I am amazed by bb (the aalib demo) and reading its source code. I am confused of how the image was presented; it was a huge array full of numbers. The comment in the beginning says "Automaticall generated image ..." Any ideas? or any places where more proper to ask? |
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| 11:10.13 | bolt | valdyn: googling for that error came up with nothing useful. tried both "ata" and "sata" and the error code |
| 11:10.28 | valdyn | heroxbd: hmm? how else but in an array would you embed an image in c source? |
| 11:11.00 | heroxbd | valdyn: it is an ascii art image. |
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| 11:12.52 | salvin | who has access to dpkg? |
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| 11:14.02 | valdyn | heroxbd: its probably not |
| 11:14.18 | valdyn | heroxbd: as the point of aalib might be to transform real images to asci |
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| 11:15.46 | heroxbd | valdyn: It is, cuz there is no bulk data else where in the source code. |
| 11:16.24 | valdyn | heroxbd: which file? |
| 11:16.37 | heroxbd | valdyn: hh1.c for example |
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| 11:17.25 | tilki | hi there |
| 11:17.35 | tilki | i have a question |
| 11:17.37 | tilki | may i ask? |
| 11:17.50 | salvin | tilki, no |
| 11:17.54 | tilki | why not |
| 11:17.59 | tilki | i need a help |
| 11:18.06 | heroxbd | !ask |
| 11:18.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:18.12 | tilki | lol thx |
| 11:18.25 | tilki | really first time i use irc |
| 11:18.47 | tilki | a site... |
| 11:19.06 | tilki | when i visit them. they can know me im coming from Turkiye |
| 11:19.13 | tilki | how they can know it? |
| 11:19.15 | tilki | i use proxy |
| 11:19.17 | tilki | tor |
| 11:19.18 | tilki | all |
| 11:19.25 | tilki | but they can see my real ip |
| 11:19.34 | tilki | i will do crazy soon |
| 11:19.39 | bolt | !enter |
| 11:19.39 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 11:19.57 | tilki | ok thx |
| 11:20.03 | tilki | i wont flood |
| 11:20.29 | tilki | i think nobody know it... |
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| 11:21.13 | salvin | tilki, this is yout ip: http://www.whatismyip.com/ ? |
| 11:21.30 | tilki | what do you mean |
| 11:21.33 | Trewas | tilki: many http-proxies include forwarded-for field which tells the user's own ip addres to the visited site |
| 11:21.42 | tilki | tor too? |
| 11:21.50 | tilki | i use tor. but they can see :S |
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| 11:22.09 | salvin | tilki, try that site |
| 11:22.20 | tilki | whatismyip? |
| 11:22.27 | tilki | myy. its tells me my ip adress |
| 11:22.34 | tilki | i will use it for what? |
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| 11:22.55 | Guerin | to find out your ip address! |
| 11:22.57 | salvin | tilki, is it you real ip? |
| 11:23.06 | tilki | yes now . its my real |
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| 11:23.14 | tilki | ip adress. i can tell... |
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| 11:24.04 | riot | uh, i just installed openerp... which requires postgresql.. *yuck* but in their documentation (README.Debian) it mentions i should be using the command "postgres" to setup the databases.. That command doesn't exist even after installing all (suggested/recommended) dependencies. |
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| 11:24.39 | riot | actually (at least in my root accounts path) there isn't anything that starts with postgres. |
| 11:24.52 | salvin | tilki, then you aren't using an anonymous connection... |
| 11:25.00 | tilki | now i dont use |
| 11:25.07 | tilki | but when i use they can see me :( |
| 11:25.09 | sepult | hi i get connections lost regularly is that normal in debian ? |
| 11:25.35 | salvin | tilki, i see dead peaple |
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| 11:25.42 | sepult | even connections that i establish with mysql for example ! |
| 11:25.43 | tilki | ilol |
| 11:25.49 | tilki | dead* |
| 11:26.03 | tilki | man. its not strange? |
| 11:26.03 | salvin | people* |
| 11:26.16 | valdyn | heroxbd: just asci codes i think |
| 11:26.18 | alex2 | sqeeze netinstall doesnt exist ? |
| 11:26.18 | tilki | i changed my all languages |
| 11:27.06 | valdyn | heroxbd: compressed, uh funny |
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| 11:27.28 | tilki | ok friends. thx to help |
| 11:27.45 | Leone | DeeeT DediK ÜLeeeN |
| 11:27.46 | Leone | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.56 | Leone | tilki kaybol |
| 11:27.57 | Leone | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:29.07 | valdyn | heroxbd: lzo compressed asci codes of image |
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| 11:29.25 | heroxbd | valdyn: Yeah, I c. |
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| 11:29.45 | sepult | anyone else loosing connections regularly ? |
| 11:30.05 | sepult | is that due to debian or has it to do with my isp ? |
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| 11:31.11 | freaka | /msg dpkg lennyr1 |
| 11:31.13 | freaka | oops |
| 11:31.13 | valdyn | sepult: neither nor, its your firewall / router probably |
| 11:31.13 | donkdonk | sepult: does your interface show a lot of errors? |
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| 11:31.32 | sepult | hmmm ok |
| 11:31.33 | riot | uhm, my debconf doesn't ask me _any_ questions at all. I've set it to low, but nothing ever pops up, how can i fix that? |
| 11:31.42 | sepult | i don't know why it does that |
| 11:31.48 | valdyn | sepult: cheap routers timeout your masqueraded connections |
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| 11:31.53 | tomi | hi |
| 11:31.55 | valdyn | sepult: if theres no traffic |
| 11:31.56 | sepult | oh fuck |
| 11:32.04 | sepult | but there was |
| 11:32.09 | valdyn | sepult: and its probably not configurable |
| 11:32.11 | mischief6 | anyone know why whenever i connect to a remote host, the system fails to resolve the DNS, but the second time i try to connect it works? |
| 11:32.12 | heroxbd | valdyn: May be I would have to learn gdb to understand it... |
| 11:32.23 | valdyn | heroxbd: why? |
| 11:32.28 | sepult | valdyn: i was dumping mysql databases from some host |
| 11:32.32 | sepult | connection lost |
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| 11:32.55 | heroxbd | valdyn: I can't figure out how to view the image outside the program. |
| 11:32.57 | valdyn | heroxbd: just dump the returned by the lzo1x call |
| 11:33.00 | sepult | i had started to get the stargate streams with smplayer, connection lost |
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| 11:33.03 | valdyn | heroxbd: just dump the data returned by the lzo1x call |
| 11:33.19 | sepult | that even happens with amarok |
| 11:33.21 | heroxbd | valdyn: how? write it to a file? |
| 11:33.25 | tomi | i was setting raid 1 on runnig system and when array was syncing i rebooted the server and now array cant add hdc5 do array , how to fix it |
| 11:33.26 | sepult | so it's not application specific |
| 11:33.31 | sepult | yes i think it's the router |
| 11:33.38 | valdyn | heroxbd: fprintf i guess |
| 11:33.46 | valdyn | heroxbd: im not a C programmer |
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| 11:34.05 | heroxbd | valdyn: neither do I. Let me try it out. |
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| 11:37.27 | riot | why does debconf not ask me any configuration questions, even though priority is set to "low"? |
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| 11:42.18 | nkuttler | riot: what do you expect it to ask? |
| 11:43.15 | riot | nkuttler: a lot of stuff i get asked on all my other machines. |
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| 11:43.54 | riot | this here feels like its set to high - it virtually never asks anything, at least i can't remember the last time i was asked about stuff. |
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| 11:44.29 | heroxbd | riot: tried dpkg-reconfigure <packagename>? |
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| 11:46.43 | bevan_ | Greetings debian users |
| 11:47.02 | anewbie | greetings from the darkside bevan_ |
| 11:47.08 | bevan_ | :) |
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| 11:47.53 | freaka | Where do you go to start new open source projects? |
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| 11:52.50 | dante_2core | hey guys, long time no see |
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| 11:53.41 | valdyn | sepult: it could be the router crashing |
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| 11:53.56 | dante_2core | can anyone point me to (or tell me right away) what console-kit-daemon is being used for? I did look it up and all, but somehow it just doesn't become clear to me why it is so crucial I can't turn it off anymore |
| 11:54.04 | valdyn | sepult: i could do this to cheap routers by just running warcraft 3 |
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| 11:54.10 | valdyn | sepult: which isnt intense load at all |
| 11:54.42 | valdyn | freaka: umm? |
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| 11:57.56 | valdyn | dante_2core: gnome uses this new policykit thing, which needs consolekit |
| 11:58.10 | dante_2core | valdyn: I can't uninstall it anymore as half xorg and hal depend on it |
| 11:58.19 | dante_2core | and I'm using ion3 and a couple rxvts, that's all |
| 11:59.15 | valdyn | dante_2core: yea, hal needs it too, for the same thing |
| 11:59.46 | dante_2core | valdyn: ok, thanks then - too bad, I just don't like all those new things coming - it's like having to use ever more software to do the same thing |
| 12:00.09 | valdyn | dante_2core: its for proper access control |
| 12:00.32 | valdyn | dante_2core: like to only let certain users start x and only if they are logged in locally etc |
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| 12:00.57 | dante_2core | valdyn: I see... well, it's a lot easier to accept such things once I know what they do, so thanks a lot |
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| 12:10.22 | LightKnight | Hi -- Debian Squeeze; s of today, iceweasel crashes on me. I have a strace of the whole thing. Anyone else experiencing this? |
| 12:10.30 | LightKnight | *as of today... |
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| 12:13.11 | hanibana | my "uname -v" output is : #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 ; what means that `#1' ? |
| 12:13.26 | hanibana | man uname says: kernel-version. |
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| 12:14.43 | LightKnight | what's "uname -n" like? |
| 12:15.06 | hanibana | LightKnight: my hostname |
| 12:15.22 | hanibana | LightKnight: is not that the number of CPUs?! |
| 12:15.37 | LightKnight | hanibana: sorry, uname -r |
| 12:15.40 | cptblood | i just installed debian, dualbooting win7 and lenny.. how do i put windows7 in auto-boot mode, instead of debian? |
| 12:15.55 | hanibana | ightKnight: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 12:16.37 | hanibana | cptblood: go to /boot/grub/menu.lst and change default. |
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| 12:16.43 | cptblood | k, thx |
| 12:16.51 | LightKnight | hanibana: uhm, weird. |
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| 12:17.52 | LightKnight | I got '#2 PREEMPT Thu Apr 30 01:16:41 CEST 2009' |
| 12:17.53 | jelly-home | hanibana: #1 means, afair, the number of times this kernel source tree was used to build a kernel; not useful with a packaged kernel |
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| 12:19.02 | cptblood | i've upgraded my kernel, still says #1, but maybe not the same thing? |
| 12:19.12 | hanibana | so what's here this "man uname" literature?! -v: kernel-version ; -r: kernel-release |
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| 12:21.54 | hanibana | ok thanks |
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| 12:22.01 | jelly-home | hanibana: for a Linux kernel, "version" refers to its build version and date. |
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| 12:24.24 | sladi | Hi, the default Rxvt font is a bit small. It seems to use 75dpi so a switch to the 100dpi version should be fine. How can I do it? I don't want to use XFT fonts. |
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| 12:27.44 | bolt | my raid5 just threw out one of the connected drives, marking it as failed. smartctl reports no errors, and i was able to remove and re-add it just fine. this is the kernel log from the event: http://pastebin.com/f67bc423c can anyone tell me what happened or, more importantly, what I should do about it? it happened to another drive last week, and it's been working fine since. |
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| 12:29.53 | l4 | Is it possible to change: hda1 freespace < hda5 hda6 > into: hda1 < freespace hda5 hda6 > without moving data around? |
| 12:31.13 | valdyn | l4: sure |
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| 12:31.57 | l4 | how? I am on liveCD now with fdisk ready |
| 12:32.26 | valdyn | l4: with fdisk |
| 12:32.38 | l4 | not that I want you to walk me trough, just a hint |
| 12:32.54 | valdyn | l4: not much to hint there, create the partitions properly |
| 12:33.01 | valdyn | l4: use a sane way to verify that you did |
| 12:33.25 | valdyn | l4: and stick to using fdisk in expert mode, because only then it will show proper values in hardware sector size |
| 12:33.29 | bluethundr | I have generated an RSA key, copied it's contents to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys and scp'd that to /root/.ssh/ on the other server. now when I try to ssh to the other server, I am still prompted for a password. what am I doing wrong? |
| 12:34.03 | valdyn | l4: partitions etc are at 512 byte ( hardware sector size ) boundaries |
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| 12:34.53 | l4 | b move beginning of data in a partition - is that what I want? |
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| 12:35.19 | valdyn | l4: you want to delete and recreate partitions |
| 12:35.40 | d-b | hi i haz a small problem libgssapi_krb5.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 12:35.43 | d-b | ... how to fix? |
| 12:35.56 | l4 | I have data on them though, hda5 and 6 are FAT32 |
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| 12:36.06 | valdyn | l4: how is that relevant? |
| 12:36.16 | valdyn | l4: the premise was to not move data |
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| 12:37.01 | valdyn | l4: you will fuck your data if you create the extended partition in a way that it starts within hda5 or 6 |
| 12:37.10 | d-b | ..anyone? |
| 12:37.12 | l4 | I dont know? everything will stay where it is whn I delete hda2(extended partition) and recreate it earlier on the disk? |
| 12:37.16 | valdyn | l4: other than that you cant really lose data |
| 12:37.33 | valdyn | l4: obviously you have to recreate hda5 and 6 too |
| 12:37.34 | d-b | plz |
| 12:37.35 | bolt | d-b: apt-file search libgssapi_krb5.so.2 |
| 12:37.40 | d-b | bolt: k |
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| 12:37.50 | bolt | d-b: and do allow some time for people to reply, please |
| 12:37.59 | d-b | bolt: sorry was getting worried |
| 12:38.04 | l4 | btw, do the partition numbers have to be in order? |
| 12:38.06 | d-b | can't ssh etc. |
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| 12:38.14 | valdyn | l4: numbering is irrelevant |
| 12:38.20 | l4 | ok |
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| 12:38.25 | l4 | thank you |
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| 12:39.03 | hanibana | dmesg | grep MemMemory: 3628028k/4194304k available (1541k kernel code, 40768k reserved, 576k data, 196k init, 2752460k highmem) |
| 12:39.36 | hanibana | the free and cat /proc/meminfo show the 3628028k amount of memory.... |
| 12:39.42 | d-b | bolt: can't do an apt file update its not working. |
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| 12:40.19 | bolt | d-b: how is it not working? |
| 12:40.28 | d-b | Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
| 12:40.30 | d-b | etc. |
| 12:40.52 | hanibana | why Linux can not use all of memory? |
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| 12:41.02 | bolt | if you can't access the internet from that box, you'll have trouble installing the kerberos libs too |
| 12:41.03 | valdyn | hanibana: why do you think it cant? |
| 12:41.12 | d-b | bolt: ... i'm on the internet atm |
| 12:41.16 | d-b | i know its kerberos. |
| 12:41.21 | hanibana | the above dmesg output. |
| 12:41.38 | valdyn | hanibana: 32-bit systems cannot use 4G memory |
| 12:42.01 | valdyn | hanibana: use debian/amd64 or create a custom kernel with pae enabled |
| 12:42.05 | bolt | d-b: apt-get install libkrb53 then |
| 12:42.17 | bolt | wouldn't the bigmem kernel do? |
| 12:42.27 | valdyn | bolt: oh, probably yes |
| 12:42.38 | valdyn | hanibana: or use the bigmem kernel |
| 12:42.44 | d-b | bolt: it is installed. |
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| 12:43.01 | hanibana | ok, got that. I'll test it. thanks. |
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| 12:43.34 | bolt | d-b: dpkg -L libkrb53, find where it puts your library file, stuff a symlink where your application expects to find it |
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| 12:44.10 | l4 | is this OK in fdisk? 'Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary." |
| 12:44.46 | l4 | it will be swap |
| 12:44.47 | d-b | fixed it by downgrading it and upgrading |
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| 12:45.38 | l4 | I guess it is |
| 12:45.56 | d-b | thank you bolt |
| 12:46.01 | d-b | panic is over yay |
| 12:46.03 | bolt | np |
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| 13:00.30 | txqq | hi all, which package catains the header file like gdk/gdkkeysyms.h |
| 13:01.10 | bolt | txqq: apt-file search gdkkeysyms.h |
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| 13:03.14 | txqq | bolt:thank you |
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| 13:07.10 | bluethundr | I have generated an RSA key, copied it's contents to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys and scp'd that to /root/.ssh/ on the other server. now when I try to ssh to the other server, I am still prompted for a password. what am I doing wrong? |
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| 13:09.06 | Polarina | bluethundr: Do you have your public and private key in ~/.ssh/id_rsa and ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub ? |
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| 13:09.40 | bluethundr | Polarina: yes, I believe I do |
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| 13:10.07 | Polarina | bluethundr: Did you append your public key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server? |
| 13:10.25 | bluethundr | Polarina: no. that last part I did not do |
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| 13:10.36 | lfaraone | If there's a kernel security update that has been applied to my system, is there any way to apply the fix without rebooting? |
| 13:10.39 | Polarina | bluethundr: You have to do that, otherwise it's not going to work. |
| 13:10.48 | Polarina | lfaraone: No. |
| 13:10.51 | asg | lfaraone: no, not currently |
| 13:11.07 | lfaraone | Darn. There goes my 112 days of uptime. |
| 13:11.14 | bluethundr | Polarina: gotcha. thanks. I knew it was going to be something simple like that. let me try it and let you know how it goes. :) |
| 13:11.15 | asg | lfaraone: well, you could theoretically patch it in memory but that is quite difficult. |
| 13:11.18 | asg | !uptime |
| 13:11.19 | king_crimson | WindowsVista Uptime: 2wks 2days 7hrs 34mins 38secs Best: 2wks 2days 7hrs 34mins 38secs |
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| 13:11.33 | Polarina | bluethundr: But never put your private key anywhere else. |
| 13:11.48 | Polarina | lfaraone: Your system is still just as secure as it was before that update was available. |
| 13:11.52 | bluethundr | Polarina: right-o! |
| 13:12.23 | lfaraone | Polarina: ... meaning I should reboot to apply the fixes over the last 1/3 of a year. |
| 13:13.47 | Polarina | lfaraone: Why not just fake your uptime after the reboot? |
| 13:14.32 | lfaraone | Polarina: doesn't that involve greater potential breakage than hot-patching? (changing the internal time value in ther kernel) |
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| 13:14.44 | bluethundr | Polarina: oh wait. I did do that step. And it still isn't working. I put the public key in place on the server I'm ssh'ing TO like this - cat /root/.ssh/id_rsa.pub >> /root/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 13:15.08 | Polarina | bluethundr: Are you ssh-ing into the root account on the server? |
| 13:15.17 | Polarina | bluethundr: ssh root@address |
| 13:15.24 | johnf | I'm packagin oggz-tools and upstream has recently standardised their binary names from say oggzmerge to oggz-merge. Should I add symlinks in the package for new names to old |
| 13:15.38 | johnf | or put scripts in place that warn about deprecation |
| 13:15.48 | asg | bluethundr: check the permissions on the server. The .ssh dir needs to be 750 or 700, the authorized_keys file needs 640 or 600 |
| 13:15.49 | johnf | or simply do nothing? |
| 13:15.50 | Polarina | johnf: Deprecation, please. |
| 13:15.51 | bluethundr | Polarina: for the moment. This is just a proof of concept. Once I get this working I am going to do this for a backup account and take away the root keys |
| 13:15.59 | Polarina | johnf: Or better yet, nothing. |
| 13:16.13 | bluethundr | asg: checking |
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| 13:16.27 | johnf | Polarina: yeah that's what I was thinking nothing and I'll file bugs against anything that depends on it |
| 13:16.46 | Polarina | johnf: That's the best long-term solution. |
| 13:17.11 | bluethundr | asg: the .ssh directory is apparently 700 at the moment |
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| 13:17.35 | bluethundr | this is on the server I'm ssh'ing to |
| 13:18.01 | Polarina | bluethundr: If it's asking for a password, it means something's wrong on your side. |
| 13:18.06 | bluethundr | perms are the same on the other server |
| 13:18.10 | Polarina | bluethundr: Check the permissions in your home folder. |
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| 13:18.30 | bluethundr | Polarina: ok checking |
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| 13:18.48 | asg | bluethundr: also, /msg dpkg debug sshd (that will give you more verbose logging and likely reveal the problem) |
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| 13:19.09 | bluethundr | asg: nice tip. on it |
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| 13:19.39 | bluethundr | drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 115 2009-04-13 20:41 root |
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| 13:26.17 | bluethundr | this is the output when I make ssh verbose: http://pastebin.com/d7d83ebed |
| 13:27.17 | Polarina | bluethundr: I've been in this situation where the public key on the server and the one I got on my computer didn't match for some reason. |
| 13:27.30 | bluethundr | hmmm |
| 13:27.40 | bluethundr | does it look like that's happening here? |
| 13:27.52 | bluethundr | I've regenerated and scp'd the keys several times already |
| 13:28.03 | Polarina | bluethundr: Just run a sha256sum on the files. |
| 13:28.17 | bluethundr | Polarina: on it! thanks |
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| 13:33.33 | davidisko | is there any text ftp klient which supports ftp ssl ? |
| 13:33.40 | davidisko | *client |
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| 13:34.39 | steven43126 | Hi |
| 13:35.19 | asg | davidisko: the ftp-ssl package |
| 13:35.29 | steven43126 | anyone using debian as a client to a freeBSD NFS server ? I can't quite get permissions to work properly all mounts appear to be owned by root... |
| 13:36.18 | bluethundr | hmm.. running sha256sum /root/.ssh/authorized_keys on both machines produced very different results! |
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| 13:38.14 | Polarina | bluethundr: Maybe that's the culprit. |
| 13:38.31 | davidisko | asg: thx |
| 13:38.44 | bluethundr | Polarina: think so. :) maybe ssh can fix this situation? |
| 13:38.50 | bluethundr | scp rather |
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| 13:39.39 | asg | bluethundr: you could use 'ssh-copy-id' which does all the work of transfering the keys and making sure things are correct. |
| 13:40.15 | bluethundr | asg: ah! even better! obrigado! |
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| 13:40.28 | bluethundr | if I man it I'll get the syntax? |
| 13:40.41 | asg | yes |
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| 13:41.20 | bluethundr | ;) |
| 13:42.09 | riot | i just tried reinstalling postgresql after a purge and do not get its /etc/postgresql... how do fix that? |
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| 13:43.16 | asg | riot: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 13:54.15 | techouse | has anyone here any idea how to compile lame for sse3? |
| 13:54.25 | techouse | just by using -march and -mtune? |
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| 13:55.05 | Polarina | techouse: GCC cannot take advantage of SSE3 without the application programmed to do so. |
| 13:55.27 | techouse | well....i tried adding nasm/yasm |
| 13:55.30 | techouse | still dunno |
| 13:55.36 | Polarina | techouse: Same for vectorization of SSE and SSE2. |
| 13:56.04 | Polarina | techouse: Even with an assembler, the code has to be programmed to take advantage of these new instructions. |
| 13:56.32 | techouse | it does, but i can't seem to be ableto compile it even for mmx |
| 13:56.37 | techouse | it's just generic :P |
| 13:57.06 | Polarina | techouse: I don't even see why bother. Vorbis provides better quality, even with lower average bitrate. |
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| 13:57.24 | techouse | well...mp3 plays on most devices |
| 13:57.25 | techouse | :D |
| 13:57.36 | Polarina | techouse: And your device doesn't support Vorbis? |
| 13:57.41 | techouse | nop |
| 13:57.56 | Polarina | techouse: You should consider getting a better device then. |
| 13:58.00 | techouse | hehe :D |
| 13:58.18 | techouse | i'll get me an iRiver with FLAC support |
| 13:58.30 | kronic | I've got an issue with iwl3945 driver, if I modprobe it, its not loaded, I have to explicity insmod the module everytime |
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| 13:58.40 | kronic | using latest kernel: 2.6.26-2 on lenny |
| 13:58.53 | techouse | iwl3945 is nothing but trouble |
| 13:59.11 | kronic | I was using ipw3945, but 2.6.26 broke it |
| 13:59.25 | techouse | i sold my old laptop and bought a new one with an atheros chip |
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| 13:59.31 | techouse | so i can use madwifi |
| 13:59.48 | Polarina | I prefer to use wired networking. |
| 13:59.52 | techouse | hehe |
| 14:00.03 | pipeline | Polarina: not true - vorbis is better at lower bitrates. At higher bitrates, MP3, MPEG 1 layer 2, musepack et al win. |
| 14:00.09 | techouse | it's not always availible + madwifi works rather well with aircrack |
| 14:00.09 | techouse | :D |
| 14:00.13 | pipeline | Polarina: and at the low bitrates at which vorbis is best, AAC is still better :P |
| 14:00.14 | Polarina | pipeline: No. |
| 14:00.17 | gionn | kronic, add it to /etc/modules |
| 14:00.26 | kronic | gionn: tried that, didn't load at startup |
| 14:00.57 | pipeline | of course, in an age of $10 flash chips and $100 terabyte hard drives, lossy audio formats seem pretty pointless in general |
| 14:01.08 | kronic | I'm thinking the previous ipw installation, caused issue |
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| 14:04.07 | techouse | lol, lame needs nasm not yasm |
| 14:04.08 | techouse | rofl |
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| 14:04.24 | kronic | would having it listed in /etc/hibernate/blacklisted-modules cause an issue |
| 14:04.30 | ktwilight[m] | any ideas on how i can test udev rules? |
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| 14:11.26 | pbn | Hi I'm getting lithium kernel: journal commit I/O error 2 16:05:19 2009 ... on an external USB drive... any idea ? |
| 14:11.44 | Polarina | pbn: Drive wearout. |
| 14:13.24 | pbn | Polarina: ah. what's that ? |
| 14:13.38 | Polarina | pbn: Is it a flash drive? |
| 14:13.55 | pbn | Polarina: no, it is a PATA hard drive in an USB2/FireWire enclosure |
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| 14:14.09 | Polarina | pbn: Then I don't know. |
| 14:14.21 | pbn | Polarina: ah, thanks anyway. |
| 14:15.08 | pbn | basically when writing to the drive, after like 20 seconds I get journal commie I/O error 2, and it is unmounted automatically |
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| 14:15.51 | Polarina | pbn: Run a fsck on it. |
| 14:16.00 | pbn | Polarina: yeah, gonna do that... |
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| 14:18.40 | pbn | fsck says "clean, 18524/15024128 files, 31382205/60073059 blocks |
| 14:18.45 | pbn | after like, two seconds |
| 14:18.47 | pbn | s |
| 14:20.43 | bluethundr | ok.. partial success. my rsa key for root now works! I can now ssh from one box to another and not have to login as root |
| 14:20.48 | azeem_ | pbn: then force a full scan with -f |
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| 14:21.51 | bluethundr | however I am trying to duplicate that success using a less privileged account than root and it just ain't happening for some reason. I am trying to scp over the key files but scp is telling me it doesn't exist, even though ls -l suggests otherwise... |
| 14:22.02 | bluethundr | web1:/home/backup# scp /home/backup/.ssh/id_rsa root@web2:/home/backup/.ssh |
| 14:22.16 | bluethundr | root@web2's password: |
| 14:22.37 | bluethundr | /home/backup/.ssh/ No such file or directory |
| 14:22.51 | pbn | azeem: thank you, gonna try that |
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| 14:27.27 | bluethundr | nevermind. ssh-copy-id saved the day. :) |
| 14:27.33 | bluethundr | sorry I didn't think to try that first |
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| 14:29.54 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:30.16 | DexterF | two sound cards - how do I force one card to be 0 and the other to be 1? |
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| 14:36.09 | ktwilight[m] | DexterF, alsa's wiki documentation site has that tutorial |
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| 14:36.51 | etb | i setup a samba share and it asks for username and pass.i give them properly but it wont accept them. why? are they different from those of the linux system? |
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| 14:37.11 | azeem | etb: check smbpasswd or what's it called |
| 14:37.18 | ktwilight[m] | etb, it's the user/pass from the samba server itself |
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| 14:38.15 | etb | azeem: what's the default?/ |
| 14:38.18 | etb | ktwilight[m]: ^ |
| 14:38.32 | ktwilight[m] | doubt there's a default :/ |
| 14:38.39 | globul | hi, i can t mount the cddvd drive on a lenny |
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| 14:42.35 | hjb | globul: pmount /dev/cdrom ? |
| 14:42.54 | globul | ok I try hjb |
| 14:44.46 | globul | [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 14:45.48 | hjb | globul: ok, it's mounted now |
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| 14:46.03 | hjb | globul: and we all now know that there's no final newline in your /etc/fstab |
| 14:46.20 | hjb | globul: you should add one to get rid of that message |
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| 14:46.40 | globul | sorry |
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| 14:47.34 | globul | please hjb how i can add this line, what is the syntax ? |
| 14:48.25 | hjb | globul: nothing to be sorry for ;) |
| 14:48.38 | globul | for the flood |
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| 14:48.45 | globul | it s not very correct |
| 14:48.45 | bluethundr | what group can I put my backup user into so that he can backup any file on the box? |
| 14:48.55 | _5618_ | etb, do u want to the auth? |
| 14:49.27 | bluethundr | I want the backups to happen automatically via a cron job |
| 14:49.39 | hjb | globul: open /etc/fstab with your favorite editor (as root), then go the end of the last line and hit return (in most cases) |
| 14:50.39 | hjb | bluethundr: afaik the only way to read every file is to run the backup script as user root |
| 14:51.01 | bluethundr | hjb: hmmm ok. but I was warned this could lead a a MiTM attack |
| 14:51.10 | etb | _5618_: yah |
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| 14:51.47 | hjb | bluethundr: maybe, depends on how you do it, i think |
| 14:51.58 | bluethundr | hjb: as with all things. ;) |
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| 14:52.19 | hjb | bluethundr: yea :) |
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| 14:53.14 | _5618_ | etb, smbpasswd -a |
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| 14:53.19 | bluethundr | ah! it was a permissions issue! root owned the folders backup was trying to access. D'OH! |
| 14:54.18 | _5618_ | and make sure u have the user u are trying to auth with listed in the definition of the share with the line valid users = user |
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| 15:09.27 | etchPRSN | anybody here versed in use of bootstrap system ? |
| 15:09.43 | nuscire | hello, guys. Is there a method to make the pager 'less' give colored output? thanks. |
| 15:09.51 | csa | To which user group iwconfig/iwlist/ifconfig privileges refer? (I wish that some users may activate wifi) |
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| 15:10.16 | asg | nuscire: man less ; /color |
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| 15:11.30 | e1luca1 | I'm (a newbie) on Ubuntu 9.04 (64bit) and I'm preparing for the next step: Debian(amd64). Now the wifi it's working perfect out of the box (Vaio FW21E). How can I find what drivers I'm using so to prepare for switch in Debian? Or, will they work out of the box in Debian also? tnx for any help |
| 15:12.28 | hjb | nuscire: what exactly do you mean with "colored output"? |
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| 15:13.37 | nuscire | hjb: e.g. i have a text file foo, and do a 'less foo'. I want some specific word in foo to be colored. can I? |
| 15:13.49 | etchPRSN | e1luca1 looked at teenpup yet ? |
| 15:13.58 | csa | e1luca1, in my (short) personnal experience, a lot of (proprietary) drivers are not included with Debian... So you'll have to download them, consult forums, and work things around... |
| 15:14.09 | tomi | hi can i reboot serwer while software array is syncing? |
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| 15:14.37 | etchPRSN | tomi yes but it will melt the wiring in your building(!) |
| 15:14.40 | nkuttler | nuscire: you can have it highlighted if you search for it |
| 15:14.46 | e1luca1 | @etchPRSN tnx I'll go google it (sound like a porno) movie :) |
| 15:14.54 | csa | anyone knows which group give iwconfig/ifconfig/iwlist privileges (is it just rooT?) |
| 15:15.10 | hjb | nuscire: something like ssyntax highlighting? |
| 15:15.19 | hjb | nuscire: or just one word? |
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| 15:15.45 | etchPRSN | e1luca1 lol movie... no... it has a funny name... but it is made especially for all the devices and services in mind... |
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| 15:17.09 | e1luca1 | @etchPRSN yes but it's not debian. I want Debian because it's all volunteers and no commercial support. maybe in time I can even help |
| 15:17.43 | nuscire | hjb: I actually want look up some words in a dictionary file, which is a text file. I want to use 'grep' to search it, but I need a pager for displaying. I just want the word being looked up to be colored. |
| 15:18.09 | nuscire | nkuttler: yeah. |
| 15:18.24 | hjb | nuscire: hmm, then you can nuilt something up with colorit + less -R |
| 15:18.41 | e1luca1 | and, yes I know, right now I can help mainly by staying out of the way.... |
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| 15:18.49 | hjb | nuscire: the manpage says colorit is espacially useful for dict files, but i haven't usedit with them yet |
| 15:18.55 | etchPRSN | e1luca1 hmmm... well it is linux... it is free... and small enough for one CD end of advertisment :) |
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| 15:19.23 | hjb | nuscire: less -R option maintains ansi color escape sequences, so colors are correctly displayed |
| 15:19.23 | nuscire | hjb: colorit? okay, googling. thank you. |
| 15:20.11 | hjb | nuscire: it's in the dict package, btw. |
| 15:20.12 | ktwilight[m] | i want to override MAILTO, is /etc/profile the best place to do it? am wondering if the system reboots, will MAILTO be persistent due to /etc/profile? or would root be required to login first? |
| 15:20.34 | cahoot | nu mat |
| 15:20.36 | nuscire | hjb: yeah. |
| 15:20.57 | hjb | nuscire: seems to be made for your purpose, huh ;) |
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| 15:22.00 | etchPRSN | changes channel name to #TEENpup :-) |
| 15:22.37 | nuscire | hjb: it is! ;) |
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| 15:23.03 | hjb | nuscire: cool. hit the bulls eye |
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| 15:25.59 | nuscire | btw, on my installing of debian lenny, the installer ask me to choose a locale, en_US, or en_US.UTF-8. I ever use en_US for the past. which one is prefered now? |
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| 15:26.32 | erk_ | well |
| 15:26.43 | erk_ | utf8 will just give you support for a lot more characters |
| 15:26.48 | erk_ | which is pretty much the standard these days |
| 15:27.00 | erk_ | but unless you dont need to read in chinese or arabic etc. you wont need it really |
| 15:27.01 | erk_ | :) |
| 15:27.20 | ktwilight[m] | for the love of the world, please use utf-8 :) |
| 15:27.36 | erk_ | lolz |
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| 15:29.03 | nuscire | erk_: sometimes maybe. but..what the difference between, say, en_US.UTF-8 and zh_CN.UTF-8? Isn't utf-8 unique? |
| 15:29.31 | avu | nuscire, the locale doesn't just tell the system what encoding to use but also what language to use |
| 15:29.58 | avu | nuscire, so the difference would be that with one your system talks english, with the other mandarin or something like that :) |
| 15:31.13 | nuscire | avu: you mean the display issue? |
| 15:31.47 | avu | nuscire, I mean the language used by all applications that support i18n |
| 15:32.06 | dx | how does one keep a remote shell updated |
| 15:32.26 | dx | never having had the pleasure of running an ssh only server before > |
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| 15:32.37 | avu | dx, erm, what? the shell? |
| 15:32.44 | ruadh | Hi |
| 15:32.53 | avu | dx, you really want to keep specifically the shell updated? |
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| 15:33.02 | avu | dx, or do you perhaps mean the whole system? |
| 15:33.06 | dx | avu: the server heh |
| 15:33.13 | dx | im sure there is adebian manual out there |
| 15:33.15 | asg | dx: aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade |
| 15:33.16 | dx | for sysadmins and such |
| 15:33.19 | avu | dx, in that case, exactly the same as with a local system |
| 15:33.23 | avu | dx, yes there is |
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| 15:33.27 | avu | !tell dx about grounding |
| 15:33.28 | dx | yeah ;) |
| 15:33.32 | dx | thx |
| 15:34.20 | ruadh | Does OpenOffice.org come with Debian 5? |
| 15:34.32 | avu | ruadh, yes, see packages.debian.org |
| 15:34.44 | ruadh | Openoffice.org/openoffice 3 |
| 15:34.54 | avu | ruadh, again, see packages.debian.org |
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| 15:35.02 | ruadh | thanks |
| 15:35.07 | etchPRSN | they have Ooffice3 already ? |
| 15:35.07 | asg | ruadh: also, /msg judd versions openoffice.org |
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| 15:40.14 | ruadh | etchPRSN, It doesn't look like it |
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| 15:41.11 | etchPRSN | Ooffice2 was the last major release Id seen... is why I wondered out loud :-) |
| 15:42.21 | erk_ | i think they made an oofice 3 now |
| 15:42.35 | ruadh | etchPRSN, Version 2.4.1 comes with Debian 5 |
| 15:42.42 | erk_ | still no app to import outlook.pst with :| |
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| 15:45.14 | ruadh | asg, Is it possible to remove openoffice 2.4.1 and replace it with version 3? |
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| 15:46.13 | nuscire | avu: but some of the programs, e.g. manpage, mutt, etc, will give abnormal display under utf-8. Or it's due to my configuration? |
| 15:48.17 | nkuttler | nuscire: does you terminal support unicode? |
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| 15:49.00 | asg | ruadh: presumably, you would remove openoffice, at the relevant backports sources, aptitude update, and install it. |
| 15:49.36 | nuscire | nkuttler: support unicode.. I dont know. |
| 15:50.11 | nuscire | nkuttler: locale gives en_US.UTF-8... |
| 15:50.13 | ruadh | asg, Thanks |
| 15:50.36 | nkuttler | nuscire: that doesn't have much to do with your terminal |
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| 15:51.24 | nuscire | nkuttler: what? |
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| 15:52.58 | pyrohotdog | How do I get my application menu back? update-menus doesn't do anything. |
| 15:53.16 | nuscire | nkuttler: but they just behave irregularly, but with no problem under en_US :( |
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| 15:53.23 | etchPRSN | wonders what you did to make them leave ? |
| 15:54.18 | pyrohotdog | My application menu is gone, and alacarte won't launch, and update-menus doesn't do anything. |
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| 15:54.42 | erk_ | maybe the permissions on your menu data is wrong or something |
| 15:54.44 | erk_ | does it work with root? |
| 15:54.55 | pyrohotdog | Doesn't work as root either. |
| 15:55.07 | erk_ | sounds like a broken installation |
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| 15:55.51 | etchPRSN | sounds to me like you changed something in a setup file ? recall mucking around in there recently ? |
| 15:56.45 | pyrohotdog | Nope no mucking recently...was running Debian 5 testing and ran update to be current. That's it. |
| 15:57.09 | erk_ | perhaps the update is expecting a different menu file or something |
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| 15:58.10 | krphop | is there a list of the default debian repo's somewhere? somehow my default install has no repos |
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| 15:59.45 | pyrohotdog | krphop: Been wondering the same thing. |
| 15:59.57 | krphop | ah, its in /etc/apt.sources.list |
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| 16:00.10 | krphop | it commented all of them out due to the installer not being able to verify them |
| 16:00.32 | pyrohotdog | good to know |
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| 16:03.24 | aryah | hi! how do I use non-iso CD/DVD image formats? can converters like mdf2iso or ccd2iso fail to create a valid iso, or is this a sure sign the original image is faulty? |
| 16:03.53 | krphop | what is your source file type? |
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| 16:04.39 | Zharf | aryah, mdf/ccd can contain other stuff than just the filesystem |
| 16:04.42 | Zharf | like audio tracks |
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| 16:05.50 | aryah | i tried two cases, one was with an mdf/mds image - and the resulting iso was not recognised as iso by archive manager or by mount -o loop. The other one is a ccd image of a PSX CD, it did open, but emulator (PCSX-df) didnt work with it. Cant be sure if the other case is not due to some other option of the emulator.. |
| 16:06.12 | aryah | Zharf, ok, so, how do I mount/open such formats? |
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| 16:07.27 | Zharf | iirc there's daemon tools for linux too |
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| 16:10.01 | aryah | Zharf, aha! thx, ill look that up. I saw some CDemu thing thats supposed to be a free equivalent, but had issues with trying to install it, seems there are no precompiled amd64 debs available, and had some errors when trying the source packages, cant remember - thought to ask here for tips first before going through all that again :) |
| 16:10.40 | frostschutz | aryah: the *2iso converters are your best bet... there are some other binaries and apps that are supposed to understand these formats but I never tried those |
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| 16:12.10 | aryah | frostschutz, hm. But I dont understand what could have gone wrong then, for mdf2iso to produce a non-valid iso file? Can this happen at all, or am I just doing something wrong? |
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| 16:13.16 | frostschutz | aryah: those converters aren't perfect... the alternative is to run some non-free software (i.e. the proprietary software that invented this proprietary format in the first place ...) |
| 16:13.45 | aryah | hm |
| 16:14.09 | aryah | k, thx for info all! |
| 16:15.17 | krphop | can anyone with a default 5.0.1 install pastebin their sources.list? |
| 16:15.28 | krphop | mine doesnt have jack for repos, almost nothing is available |
| 16:16.02 | etchPRSN | krphop cant do this online ? |
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| 16:16.16 | krphop | searching, not finding a default one |
| 16:16.27 | krphop | nor any list of repos for that matter that are 'official' |
| 16:16.36 | etchPRSN | odd |
| 16:17.04 | krphop | odd that none of them were active after install, indeed |
| 16:17.15 | adb | !tell krphop about sources.list |
| 16:17.42 | krphop | yeah, thats still not a default list |
| 16:18.22 | krphop | i see how to add them, and know where the file is located, just no default list |
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| 16:18.39 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 16:19.07 | adb | define "no default list" |
| 16:19.26 | mcgreg | well, I dont know if anyone made here similiar experiences but the current libc6 in unstable causes serious problem here. I would seriuosly suggest to be very very carefully installung that one |
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| 16:20.34 | jelly-home | mcgreg: is there a bug number about it already? What sort of a serious problem? |
| 16:20.45 | krphop | adb: the only two repos in my sources.list are security and volatile |
| 16:20.47 | krphop | thats it |
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| 16:21.13 | mcgreg | jelly: like X refuses to work here completely. simply crashes (well, probably libc6 crashes) .. and other smaller problems |
| 16:21.15 | jelly-home | krphop: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 16:21.55 | krphop | jelly-home: perfect, thanks! |
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| 16:22.27 | jelly-home | krphop: replace "stable" with "lenny" throughout the example |
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| 16:22.38 | mcgreg | jelly: and I think when I was installing kernel-packages it didnt even work well, it failed with some error |
| 16:23.14 | adb | krphop: comment out or add that line > deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny |
| 16:23.29 | jelly-home | mcgreg: why do you think it's libc6? |
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| 16:24.56 | mcgreg | jelly-home: because after I did a fresh install today, I installed a few updates from unstable (one part was libc6) and right after that lib was installed, exim4 started to crash, and linux-kernel-packages as well... |
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| 16:26.28 | mcgreg | jelly-home: ok, I cant say that for 100%, but more like 99,9%. dunno, maybe it is a 64bit problem.. using amd64 |
| 16:26.46 | \amethyst | oh |
| 16:26.56 | \amethyst | you're mixing unstable libc6 into a mostly stable system? |
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| 16:27.32 | mcgreg | I've always been using unstable with that system |
| 16:27.40 | jelly-home | was assuming is was an unstable or at least testing/unstable system |
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| 16:28.00 | mcgreg | ohh... it was all the time. |
| 16:28.37 | mcgreg | my system was using unstable packages sources. I found that problem simply AS WELL after the fresh install |
| 16:29.26 | mcgreg | I am doing apt upgrades every day ... and after that one with libc6 hell break out ;) |
| 16:30.08 | mcgreg | well, a fresh install didnt do me bad. everythiung seems to be a little quicker now again |
| 16:30.33 | mcgreg | my point is to warn you... maybe you can test or see if that happens to you too |
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| 16:31.44 | jelly-home | if you have /var/log/Xorg.0.log of crashing X, you could report the crash and see if the X people can find the cause |
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| 16:32.58 | mcgreg | jelly-home: no way, I formatted the partition and reinstalled .. twice even. ok, maxbe it would have been wiser to save it., but froim what I remember X didnt crash. it simply like stopped in the middle of something. but then everything freezed |
| 16:35.17 | mcgreg | after the reboot I looked into th log and couldsnt find anything. it simply stopped logging in the middle. so it was impossible to find the problem. but since it did work whatever I did, I started a frhs install and THEN I saw the rrors from libc6 -> with exim4 (after libc6 was installed exim had to be restarted - but it crashed) - same with linux-kernel-packages |
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| 16:36.21 | corinth | I want to remove all the packages installed from a metapackage, except those which my system already depends on. How can I do this? |
| 16:36.28 | corinth | I used synaptic. |
| 16:36.36 | JyZyXEL | errr what the hell mdadm takes partitions as its arguments |
| 16:36.46 | JyZyXEL | shouldn't it take devices?? |
| 16:36.59 | enouf | JyZyXEL: why wouldn't it? |
| 16:37.08 | JyZyXEL | well what partition type it expects? |
| 16:37.18 | enouf | probably fd |
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| 16:37.29 | JyZyXEL | i see |
| 16:37.59 | enouf | JyZyXEL: there's also autoassemble, in which case you can use linux 83, iirc |
| 16:38.23 | Theoden | http://67.188.51.141/images1/TanManLinux.png |
| 16:38.49 | JyZyXEL | enouf is there a difference? |
| 16:39.01 | etchPRSN | Theoden funny ! |
| 16:39.08 | Theoden | :) |
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| 16:39.49 | r0bin-BE | Hi, when I choose the install option on the debian netinst testing cd, my keyboard doesn't respond. acpi=off noapic nolapic boot options didn't help. I'm using a USB keyboard/mouse combo |
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| 16:40.43 | pyrohotdog | My application menu is blank, it's kind of frustrating...ideas? Update-menus didn't work. |
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| 16:44.59 | enouf | JyZyXEL: difference in partitionID? yes- does it make a difference in certain situations? yup |
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| 16:45.29 | enouf | JyZyXEL: i'm not 100% positvie though .. so |
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| 16:46.24 | krphop | so if i want to stop a service from starting on runelvel two, even though it already has a link in runlevel 2, how would i go about doing that? |
| 16:46.32 | krphop | i'm trying 'update-rc.d gdm stop 01 2 . |
| 16:47.10 | enouf | JyZyXEL: http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/partitions/partition_types-1.html (not sure how updated this is - it mentions 0x86, not 0x83) |
| 16:47.32 | JyZyXEL | enouf well i put each partition 0xfd and made raid array of them with mdadm |
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| 16:47.53 | JyZyXEL | guess ill be running mkfs.ext3 on the /dev/md0 now |
| 16:47.57 | enouf | JyZyXEL: and i guess i meant autodetect, not autoassemble necessarily |
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| 16:48.40 | JyZyXEL | i wonder isn't there some optimization you can have for ext3 if you plan to only store big data files? |
| 16:48.54 | enouf | JyZyXEL: that sounds correct .. see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* and i know the installation guide has info about creating mdadm raids |
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| 16:50.17 | JyZyXEL | enouf well i don't know if its gonna have any ext3 optimization tips :D |
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| 16:51.26 | enouf | JyZyXEL: well.. i prefer atleast the noatime/relatime mount option (along with others - default stinks, also use tune2fs to set data_ordered) but your raid can use a specific 'chunksize' if it's striped, IIRC |
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| 16:56.31 | {g} | Hey People! Anybody familiar with rdiff-backup? this seems to be a extremely useful tool. I wonder if its possible to do some kind of dry run with it that only shows which files would be backup if run normaly. |
| 16:57.00 | meder | I just got this new vps with Etch ( this is my second VPS, first has Lenny ) - why the hell does 'aptitude' say 'command not found' ? i did locate aptitude and it didnt return anything. was this a messed up installation? im logged in as root. |
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| 16:57.13 | jelly-home | meder: it's not installed? |
| 16:57.20 | enouf | {g} you could use find and an option like -mtime to see which files were modified since a certain day/time |
| 16:57.20 | meder | that's odd |
| 16:57.24 | jelly-home | meder: not really |
| 16:57.34 | jelly-home | meder: just install it |
| 16:57.42 | meder | jelly-home: odd that apache was installed for me but aptitude wasnt. i guess ill apt-get aptitude then? |
| 16:57.52 | jelly-home | meder: yup |
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| 16:58.07 | meder | Package aptitude is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 16:58.07 | meder | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 16:58.07 | meder | is only available from another source |
| 16:58.07 | meder | E: Package aptitude has no installation candidate |
| 16:58.07 | {g} | enouf: interesting approach. i will try this. |
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| 16:58.17 | meder | doh. |
| 16:58.21 | enouf | apt-get update |
| 16:58.42 | {g} | enouf: oh, but then the date of the last backup has to be known to the find command. |
| 16:59.10 | meder | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/hObfka91.html |
| 16:59.34 | enouf | {g}: not date/time necessarily, but how long ago perhaps |
| 17:00.13 | {g} | enouf: yes |
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| 17:02.37 | enouf | {g}: well fwiw, i've not tried rdiff-backup yet - try looking in/usr/share/doc/<pkgname> and it's manpage for info |
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| 17:03.16 | meder | enouf: in other words, apt-get update only did "Reading package lists... Done" |
| 17:03.21 | meder | maybe i have to manually modify sources.list? |
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| 17:03.57 | enouf | !sources.list |
| 17:03.57 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:04.00 | {g} | enouf: i found that it has a --compare option. that seems very useful. |
| 17:04.02 | enouf | !mirrors |
| 17:04.02 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>. |
| 17:04.13 | enouf | {g}: good oh |
| 17:04.24 | meder | enouf: there is no /etc/apt/sources.list file, theres a sources.list.d though |
| 17:04.57 | enouf | meder: are you sure? also what does dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 say? |
| 17:04.59 | adb | meder: use debian ? |
| 17:05.11 | meder | adb: debian etch is what i should be on |
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| 17:05.12 | meder | pretty sure |
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| 17:05.49 | r0bin-BE | Hi, when I choose the install option on the debian netinst testing cd, my keyboard doesn't respond. acpi=off noapic nolapic boot options didn't help. I'm using a USB keyboard/mouse combo. |
| 17:05.56 | meder | enouf: this is what it says: http://rafb.net/p/pqUivW27.html |
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| 17:06.29 | enouf | seems newer apt generates that dir/ dlocate shows me apt: /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 17:06.40 | enouf | martian67: it should be one line |
| 17:06.46 | enouf | er meder not martian67 |
| 17:06.47 | meder | enouf: cat /etc/debian_version -> 4.0 |
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| 17:07.31 | meder | apt-get is 0.6.46.4-0.1 |
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| 17:07.46 | adb | meder: paste your sources.list |
| 17:07.47 | enouf | r0bin-BE: try enabling legacy USB support in the BIOS and stop with the kernel params ... tell us about age of hardware , which CPU? |
| 17:08.07 | meder | adb: there is no sources.list.. theres sources.list.d directory in etc/apt |
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| 17:08.27 | meder | and it contains blank/empty files |
| 17:08.39 | enouf | judd: versions libc6 |
| 17:08.39 | judd | enouf: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-4 sid: 2.9-9 |
| 17:08.43 | adb | so read bot about sources.list |
| 17:09.28 | meder | read bot about sources.list |
| 17:09.30 | meder | `read bot |
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| 17:09.43 | meder | !sources.list |
| 17:09.44 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:09.53 | enouf | meder: that likely just means whoever installed chose no net setup |
| 17:10.01 | enouf | and no mirror setup |
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| 17:10.12 | enouf | !+tell meder -about msgthebot |
| 17:10.12 | dpkg | told meder about msgthebot. |
| 17:10.45 | enouf | meder: you also want a 'security' line - /msg dpkg security |
| 17:11.16 | owen1 | i want to connect to my wireless router using iwconfig. how to decide which interface to use (eth0/eth1) ? |
| 17:11.30 | adb | wlan0 |
| 17:11.53 | enouf | owen1: query the iface for info using any of a number of tools? |
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| 17:12.41 | enouf | owen1: you could compare your /msg dpkg z70 file's content with HWaddr listed from ifconfig/iwconfig -a output i suppose .. if it's correct |
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| 17:13.49 | meder | enouf: i'm still puzzled as to what to do.. do i manually have to make text files in sources.list.d and throw urls in there? |
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| 17:14.07 | owen1 | enouf: thanks. i'll run 'find' for those two files. |
| 17:14.13 | enouf | seems like a simple thing to do though .. hrm ... owen1 try this; basename `readlink /sys/class/net/eth1/device/driver/module` |
| 17:14.26 | enouf | then replace eth1 with eth0 owen1 |
| 17:14.31 | krphop | owenl: i'd reccomend a 'updatedb' then 'locate $FILE' |
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| 17:14.38 | enouf | you should be able to tell via the module used |
| 17:15.14 | enouf | !+tell owen1 -about 70 |
| 17:15.14 | dpkg | told owen1 about 70. |
| 17:15.20 | enouf | owen1: my bad .. it |
| 17:15.26 | enouf | s 70, not z70 |
| 17:15.37 | enouf | it WAS z25 in the past |
| 17:15.39 | r0bin-BE | enouf: sorry, was AFK. About the keyboard issue: legacy USB support enabled. Need acpi=off to not get a kernel panic, hardware about three years old, CPU: Intel Celeron D 3.2 GHz |
| 17:15.45 | enouf | that's where the z comes from |
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| 17:17.45 | enouf | r0bin-BE: that deosn't sound correct .. 3 years old shouldn't need acpi=off ... unless some really stupid OEM and BIOS vendor .. well .. are you sure there's no HT setting in the BIOS? (i know only the p4 used it, not the celery, but still) |
| 17:18.23 | enouf | r0bin-BE: there are various acpi kernel params you could also try - and have you tried Lenny instead of Testing? |
| 17:18.27 | micket | meder: I'd just make a sources.list file. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/examples/sources.list copy. |
| 17:19.08 | enouf | meder: you need a /etc/apt/sources.list file with correct entries |
| 17:19.23 | meder | enouf: where does one get up to date entries? |
| 17:19.33 | meder | i searched but found various entries on google |
| 17:19.36 | enouf | meder: from what dpkg the bot told you |
| 17:19.39 | meder | oh. |
| 17:19.58 | r0bin-BE | enouf: the stable netinst cd worked fine |
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| 17:20.14 | enouf | meder: /msg dpkg {sources.list,mirrors,security} in that order :-P |
| 17:20.41 | enouf | r0bin-BE: then use that, and work on doing a dist-upgrade to squeeze |
| 17:20.59 | r0bin-BE | enouf: thanks, I'll try that |
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| 17:21.04 | enouf | r0bin-BE: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 17:21.15 | meder | enouf: can you make sure you got that exactly |
| 17:21.29 | meder | i copied it directly and bot is still confused |
| 17:21.57 | enouf | meder: the braces are shell expansion things .. so .. there's 3 factoids there |
| 17:22.04 | micket | meder: setting it up for stable will instantly recommend a dist upgrade for you, since you are running old table. |
| 17:22.17 | meder | oh |
| 17:22.46 | enouf | meder: /msg dpkg sources.list ; then use 'mirrors' ; then 'security' |
| 17:23.18 | enouf | meder: /msg dpkg <--is needed for all of them as the 'msgthebot' factoid told you |
| 17:23.43 | enouf | or .. implied very strongly ;-) |
| 17:24.45 | meder | erm |
| 17:24.51 | meder | the bot replied with stuff about lenny |
| 17:24.56 | meder | should i be using lenny on my etch? |
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| 17:25.25 | micket | depends on what you want to do. I'd definitely upgrade. |
| 17:26.02 | meder | in other words my novice question is, since I *started* with Etch and this is fresh, I'm guessing there wont be much incompatability since I barely have nothing, so I can just get Lenny? |
| 17:26.12 | JyZyXEL | why does the directory where i mount shit change its chown? |
| 17:26.38 | JyZyXEL | it becomes root:root and drwxr-xr-x |
| 17:26.44 | cahoot | the flies taking possession? |
| 17:26.49 | JyZyXEL | i can't write data with normal users |
| 17:26.49 | krphop | because you have to be root to mount ;-) |
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| 17:27.10 | krphop | i think there's a mount option to override that |
| 17:27.51 | JyZyXEL | what option? |
| 17:28.04 | cahoot | user/users? |
| 17:28.16 | JyZyXEL | i have /dev/md0 /media/raid ext3 auto,user 0 0 |
| 17:28.20 | JyZyXEL | when i do sudo mount -a |
| 17:28.24 | JyZyXEL | i get /dev/md0 on /media/raid type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 17:28.37 | JyZyXEL | why doesn't it honor fstab? |
| 17:28.45 | cahoot | sudo? |
| 17:29.08 | JyZyXEL | well i can't go mounting shit with user account now can i |
| 17:29.10 | owen1 | enouf: here is a comparision of 70-persistent-net.rules and ifconfig -a : http://debian.pastebin.com/m3cb21d9 i am not sure what can i learn from it.. |
| 17:29.15 | micket | user is to allow users to mount it right? |
| 17:29.33 | micket | yeah it is. |
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| 17:30.05 | cahoot | sounds like an undecided stance |
| 17:30.16 | owen1 | enouf: btw, currently i am connected with a cable to the router. |
| 17:30.24 | JyZyXEL | well what the hell? |
| 17:30.38 | JyZyXEL | i can do mount /dev/md0 as normal user |
| 17:30.48 | JyZyXEL | but i still can't write there |
| 17:30.53 | JyZyXEL | the mount point changes to root:root |
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| 17:32.11 | krphop | JyZyXEL: you might want to try specifying uid/gid credentials within your fstab entry |
| 17:32.30 | JyZyXEL | you can't do that for ext3 |
| 17:32.57 | JyZyXEL | i chmodded and chowned the destination while it was mounted |
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| 17:33.07 | JyZyXEL | it seems to be keeping them |
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| 17:35.23 | krphop | i think it will until you unmount/remount |
| 17:35.24 | JyZyXEL | no it survived remount |
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| 17:35.24 | JyZyXEL | im happy with this |
| 17:35.35 | krphop | maybe the 'root' part of the mount was root:root originally |
| 17:36.15 | krphop | the folder you mount to probably inherits the user:group from the 'root' portion of the mount |
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| 17:36.30 | owen1 | when i type iwconfig i see ath0 IEEE 802.11b ESSID:"" Nickname:"" |
| 17:36.47 | owen1 | does it mean ath0 is my wirless interface? |
| 17:37.06 | krphop | JyZyXEL: with a few tests on my end, thats what i'm seeing |
| 17:37.35 | JyZyXEL | krphop your tests aren't valid cause you called directory a folder |
| 17:37.54 | krphop | directory/folder wtf ever |
| 17:37.59 | krphop | it was a mount point |
| 17:38.07 | krphop | its the same effing thing |
| 17:38.23 | JyZyXEL | no, folder stinks of microsoft |
| 17:38.29 | krphop | and you're gay |
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| 17:38.49 | JyZyXEL | !gay |
| 17:38.50 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
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| 17:39.03 | krphop | o snap |
| 17:39.03 | krphop | lol |
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| 17:39.55 | netkevin | Hey, guys. Can anyone tell me how to figure out where a package is going to be downloaded from when installed? |
| 17:40.09 | jessie | lol. nice |
| 17:40.28 | netkevin | I.e., which sources,list entry is applicable |
| 17:40.57 | jessie | netkevin: I believe it uses the most recent, i.e. the newest version |
| 17:41.02 | amphi | netkevin: apt-cache policy foo |
| 17:41.31 | netkevin | Ah, that's handy |
| 17:41.34 | jessie | amphi: Good to know |
| 17:41.35 | jessie | :) |
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| 17:48.05 | phamin | hi |
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| 17:48.35 | jessie | howdy |
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| 17:49.10 | netkevin | So how would you describe the relationship between APT, apt-get, and aptitude? |
| 17:49.18 | deed02392 | intersting question |
| 17:49.21 | cahoot | good |
| 17:49.34 | netkevin | Is apt-get sort of a reference implementation front-end? |
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| 17:50.21 | enouf | netkevin: like this; http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/a-map-of-apt-state-files/ |
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| 17:50.50 | netkevin | enouf: That's kind of scary |
| 17:51.07 | enouf | apt-get/aptitude are basically frontends for dpkg which is the real installation/removal util |
| 17:51.22 | JyZyXEL | whats the difference between useradd and adduser ? |
| 17:51.31 | enouf | netkevin: install debian-reference and read |
| 17:51.55 | netkevin | JyZyXEL: Oh, I know this one |
| 17:51.56 | micket | enouf: that sentence is still to long, could you shorten it up a bit more? |
| 17:52.07 | enouf | JyZyXEL: one uses /etc/adduser.conf the other has a file in /etc/default/useradd :-P .. i think adduser can be or is interactive |
| 17:52.09 | micket | enouf: and maybe in form of a limerick? |
| 17:52.18 | JyZyXEL | enouf thank you8 |
| 17:52.19 | netkevin | JyZyXEL: adduser is a wrapper to make it easier to use |
| 17:52.30 | JyZyXEL | netkevin aww too slow ;) |
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| 17:53.08 | stack | I think my laptop-mode is broken in squeeze..I saw a bug report and that in sid is fixed..The question is, when I launch the init.d script should I see some process started?Something like ps ax | grep laptop for example..because nothing is started and like so I'm not able to suspend the machine on low battery |
| 17:53.17 | netkevin | adduser definitely works interactively to some extent. |
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| 17:53.37 | meder | http://dpaste.com/40346/ |
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| 17:53.47 | meder | any comments on that sources.list I just created before I do an update? |
| 17:53.47 | netkevin | I've often done 'adduser foo' then followed the prompts the rest of the way |
| 17:54.02 | tec | hello |
| 17:54.10 | tec | someone knows how to load hfcmulti with dslot=1 module load parameter |
| 17:54.13 | meder | And should I uninstall apache/perl/python that were preinstalled? |
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| 17:55.32 | enouf | tec: echo "options hfcmulti dslot=1" > /etc/modprobe.d/my-hfcmulti-config |
| 17:55.39 | micket | meder: you may write main, non-free and contrib on the same line. |
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| 17:56.08 | Striteiro | aee |
| 17:56.09 | meder | micket: other than that, it's good? |
| 17:56.29 | meder | micket: do you know what will happen to my apache/perl/python? should I uninstall them? |
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| 17:56.41 | tec | enouf: and it will directly work? |
| 17:56.54 | micket | meder: if you dont wish to keep them, sure, otherwise it shouldn't matter. |
| 17:57.32 | enouf | tec: what? modprobe -r it 1st then modprobe it .. if no go still, then reboot |
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| 17:57.50 | tec | im trying to get openbsc to work on a lenny machine |
| 17:58.15 | micket | meder: hmm, wait, did you install those from source? |
| 17:58.16 | enouf | you can load the module with modprobe + params as well |
| 17:58.28 | tec | and i compiled a kernel with misdn and hfcmulti but modprobe wont find the hfcmulti module |
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| 17:58.35 | meder | micket: those were pre-installed by my vps, micket |
| 17:58.52 | enouf | tec: well, did you create those as modules? or as =y ? |
| 17:58.57 | tec | the compiled kernel seems fine and the hfc-e1 card was initalized |
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| 17:59.04 | enouf | tec: you should use a Debian kernel |
| 17:59.11 | enouf | they just work[tm] |
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| 18:00.00 | tec | enouf: :D i applyed the e1 patch from harald welte and then made an make menuconfig and included the misdn stuff |
| 18:00.43 | micket | meder: if they were not installed through APT (e.g. as deb's through apt-get or dpkg) i would remove them. |
| 18:00.48 | tec | enouf: then i booted the new kernel, and the hfc-e1 card comes up (blinking leds) and the bsc_hack software recognizes the card |
| 18:01.12 | tec | enouf: but now i have the issue with the dslot parameter |
| 18:01.30 | enouf | tec: if you have =y options set in the kernel config seek out kernel-parameters.txt to learn how to pass options on the kernel line |
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| 18:01.57 | tec | enouf: ok |
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| 18:02.14 | tec | enouf: ill try |
| 18:02.23 | tec | enouf: thank you |
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| 18:09.57 | enouf | tec: afaict, from what you've mentioned; you want to add this to your 'cat /proc/cmdline' output, (but in your bootloader menu/stanza kernel line(s) which is grub usually, see /boot/grub/menu.lst for grub1) hfcmulti.dslot=1 |
| 18:10.56 | deed02392 | what's this about grub editing |
| 18:11.00 | deed02392 | i had to edit my grub conf yesterday |
| 18:11.04 | deed02392 | to make vista boot by default |
| 18:11.16 | deed02392 | apparently the default # property doesn't count values that only have a title entry |
| 18:11.19 | deed02392 | for example i had |
| 18:11.23 | deed02392 | title Other operating systems |
| 18:11.24 | deed02392 | root |
| 18:11.30 | deed02392 | and that entry wasn't counted |
| 18:11.38 | deed02392 | so it was 5 instead of 6 if you get me |
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| 18:12.42 | enouf | deed02392: 'default' likely only includes the Automagic area |
| 18:12.59 | deed02392 | really, it should incldue the title |
| 18:13.31 | enouf | well, grub1 is no longer being developed afaik, so .. good luck :-P |
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| 18:14.15 | deed02392 | haha |
| 18:14.18 | deed02392 | i didn't want to risk grub 2 |
| 18:14.19 | micket | Just thought i'd ask, any fortran programmers in here? someone who have worked with c_iso_bindings? |
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| 18:24.32 | tec | enouf: i have also a /etc/modules file, can i pass there the parameter too? |
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| 18:25.19 | gmap | what is the command for viewing the usb device vendor |
| 18:25.24 | tec | enouf: like hfcmulti dslot=1 or do i have to make it in the /modprobe.d/hfcmulti |
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| 18:25.43 | tec | gmap: lsusb |
| 18:25.47 | gmap | thx |
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| 18:29.18 | enouf | tec: modprobe -l hfcmulti |
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| 18:30.10 | Hodapp | Where do I add things to run when X starts? I have tried multiple suggestions and none of them worked, probably in some cases because the documentation was outdated. |
| 18:30.20 | enouf | gmap: might want to run update-usbids and update-pciids |
| 18:30.33 | enouf | Hodapp: depends .. |
| 18:30.38 | enouf | any DM involved? |
| 18:30.43 | Hodapp | no, WindowMaker |
| 18:30.44 | enouf | using Gnome? |
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| 18:31.05 | enouf | then a ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession |
| 18:31.11 | Hodapp | neither of those are doing anything |
| 18:31.27 | enouf | what do you have in there? |
| 18:31.45 | tec | enouf: outputs nothing :( |
| 18:32.15 | tec | ok, got the point! |
| 18:32.20 | tec | :) |
| 18:32.27 | Hodapp | right now, an xset command to disable DPMS, /sbin/trackpad notap, and finally mrxvt so that it should be obvious whether or not it ran when I log in |
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| 18:33.05 | Hodapp | and xset is definitely not running because the settings I gave it are never in effect when I do 'xset q' later, and mrxvt is never opened |
| 18:33.16 | enouf | tec: then it's not a module |
| 18:33.41 | enouf | Hodapp: exec |
| 18:33.53 | Hodapp | what? |
| 18:33.58 | enouf | who? |
| 18:34.05 | Hodapp | what should I do with 'exec'? |
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| 18:34.12 | enouf | exec command ... |
| 18:34.16 | phamin | hi geeks! I try to mount /dev5/hda5 to directory /var with options 'noexec' and 'nosuid'. |
| 18:34.17 | tec | enouf: ok, i have to set it before compiling the kernel in menuconfig to a module? |
| 18:34.22 | phamin | do u think this is correct: mount -o noexec,nouser /dev/hd5 /var |
| 18:34.33 | Hodapp | docs say that 'exec' will replace the current shell, why would I want that? |
| 18:34.42 | tec | enouf: not directly include it into the kernel with * |
| 18:34.48 | enouf | tec: if you want to pass options the way i mentioned, but you shouldn't have to - since i told you how to do it on the kernel line |
| 18:35.19 | enouf | Hodapp: then source it, or something - and why wouldn't you want it run as a separate process? |
| 18:35.26 | tec | enouf: ok, ill try now thanks! |
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| 18:35.30 | Hodapp | if I run it from shell normally it runs as a separate process |
| 18:35.39 | enouf | well - there ya go |
| 18:35.43 | Hodapp | ... |
| 18:35.57 | Hodapp | how is any of this relevant? |
| 18:36.13 | enouf | dude{tte} - go ask the xorg people or something ... |
| 18:36.36 | Hodapp | you have no clue then? |
| 18:36.39 | enouf | if you don't want working solutions, don't bother asking |
| 18:36.53 | micket | I have xset in .xinitrc, and it runs when i startx. |
| 18:36.59 | Hodapp | micket: exec in front of it? |
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| 18:37.23 | Hodapp | enouf: Please refrain from remarks like that until you understand what I am asking. |
| 18:37.40 | micket | Hodapp: nope. But i did have issues launching xbindkeys in .xinitrc, so i just reverted to starting it manually. |
| 18:37.45 | micket | Since i rarely restart. |
| 18:37.46 | Hodapp | micket: Hmm. |
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| 18:38.03 | Hodapp | micket: Will it matter that I'm using gdm, not startx? |
| 18:38.10 | enouf | Hodapp: is your ~/.xinitrc chmod +x? (last thought) |
| 18:38.15 | Hodapp | enouf: yes. |
| 18:38.24 | enouf | Hodapp: i asked about a DM, you said no! |
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| 18:38.34 | Hodapp | enouf: WindowMaker is not a DM! |
| 18:38.37 | enouf | yesm that will matter |
| 18:38.44 | enouf | GDM == DM |
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| 18:39.01 | Hodapp | you asked if I was using GNOME, and I am not |
| 18:39.08 | enouf | Gnome Display Manager |
| 18:39.18 | Hodapp | You said GNOME, not Gnome Display Manager or gdm. |
| 18:39.27 | enouf | [14:29:44] <enouf> any DM involved? |
| 18:39.28 | enouf | [14:29:49] <Hodapp> no, WindowMaker |
| 18:39.28 | enouf | [14:29:50] <enouf> using Gnome? |
| 18:39.32 | micket | doesn't know why it doesn't work, so he leaves the discussion. |
| 18:39.36 | enouf | i asked about gnome afterwards |
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| 18:39.50 | Hodapp | micket: I'll take your suggestions and try them in a minute here. |
| 18:40.01 | enouf | goes afk |
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| 18:41.45 | dx | silly minize animations |
| 18:41.55 | dx | i dislike those rectangles |
| 18:42.05 | dx | is there any weay i can turn this off>? |
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| 18:46.15 | hjb | dx which desktop env are you using? |
| 18:46.24 | hjb | would be useful to know ;) |
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| 18:49.09 | Hodapp | alright, micket's suggestion worked |
| 18:49.20 | micket | What did i suggest? startx? |
| 18:49.30 | Hodapp | now if I could just figure out how to disable tap-click on the touchpad... '/sbin/trackpad notap' does nothing |
| 18:49.35 | Hodapp | micket: something like that. |
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| 18:53.26 | micket | Hodapp: But if you want to use GDM.. ? http://projects.gnome.org/gdm/docs/2.24/configuration.html |
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| 18:57.53 | netkevin | OK, I'm stumped. apt-cache pkgnames is listing a bunch of old unavailable packages. How can I fix this? |
| 18:58.35 | micket | netkevin: clear the cache? apt-get clean ? |
| 18:58.41 | maligor | maybe they have leftovers |
| 18:58.47 | netkevin | micket: I've tried that |
| 18:59.16 | maligor | netkevin, try and see if the packages are listed on: dpkg -l | grep ^rc |
| 19:00.01 | netkevin | maligor: They've been purged. They don't show up in the dpkg -l list. |
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| 19:01.22 | cosmosy | hjb: heh i guess. im using gnome ;) |
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| 19:07.00 | hjb | Boh, i'm getting ill on this: |
| 19:07.24 | hjb | I have two soundcards installed in my system: VIA onboard and a SB Live PCI card |
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| 19:08.30 | hjb | to those are connected: 1) a surround sound speaker system (front/rear/subwoofer/center) 2) a headset and 3) my amp in the living room |
| 19:08.39 | netkevin | hjb: Do you want to use both? If not, I would think disabling the onboard in the BIOS would be the way to go |
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| 19:08.53 | hjb | netkevin: no thanks, i want to use both ;) |
| 19:08.58 | netkevin | I see |
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| 19:09.30 | hjb | is there anyone here who knows about a *good* documetation on setting up and using such a configuration? |
| 19:09.48 | hjb | I've tried alsa wiki and pulseaudio documentation, but it's all very confusing |
| 19:14.03 | emss | hjb: have you read about alsactl? |
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| 19:15.38 | Matty265 | Is an Image out there, wich contains the newest Kernel + compile software? Need a new OS |
| 19:15.41 | Matty265 | :D |
| 19:15.45 | hjb | emss: some time ago, yes. Why do you ask? |
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| 19:16.35 | hjb | problem is that i want to have multipole 'virtual' devices which outputs to either one of the connected sinks |
| 19:16.46 | hjb | and that are easy to manage |
| 19:17.03 | hjb | so that i can say: mplayer, please put your 5.1 sound to my surround sound |
| 19:17.26 | r3l1c | hi people .. stupid ubuntu user decided to switch to debian * me - downloaded live lenny .. used unetbootin to create bootable usb... loaded fine .. but no INSTALL on my desktop ????? please help :D |
| 19:17.28 | hjb | or rythmbox, please play the cd to surround sound (multiplexed front and rear) and stereo amp in living room |
| 19:17.42 | hjb | something like that |
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| 19:19.16 | hjb | or at night when my neighbors are sleeping, say: everything, play sound to the headphone ;) |
| 19:20.17 | r3l1c | any link please /? |
| 19:21.01 | hjb | r3l1c: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 19:21.22 | hjb | r3l1c: didn't catch any sense in your question ;) |
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| 19:25.07 | babbage | I have a bunch of Xen guest hosts that I use for regression testing. What's a good way to avoid lots of duplicate downloads of deb files? apt-proxy seems like the obvious choice, is that the only one? |
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| 19:26.21 | r3l1c | hjb - how about yes/no question :) ? just one |
| 19:28.00 | r3l1c | i want to install lenny gnome - is debian-501-i386-CD-1.iso enough to have the system up and running ? i can do rest via apt-get |
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| 19:28.11 | micket | hjb: uhm, create two aliases. Or a bash script that checks the time (that would be tedious, but nerdier) |
| 19:29.19 | PingFloyd | r3l1c: you could just use the netinstall |
| 19:29.29 | hjb | micket: micket ok, sounds nice. But how do i do the copy and multiplexing stuff? |
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| 19:29.48 | hjb | r3l1c: yeah, netinstall should be enough. You say that you can apt-get after |
| 19:29.55 | r3l1c | PingFloyd - Im afraid of that ... the day will come.. but for the moment i want to have gui running right away |
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| 19:30.15 | PingFloyd | r3l1c: you can go behind it and apt-get gnome if you want |
| 19:30.35 | PingFloyd | r3l1c: the metapackage should bring a good portion of what you need to get up running in a gui from there in theory |
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| 19:31.02 | micket | r3l1c: Just memorizing the few commands to get X up and running is not that hard, but then, you might just go with the full CD then. |
| 19:31.31 | PingFloyd | r3l1c: but if you have any doubt about being able to download through network, then you probably want a more full blown installer |
| 19:32.04 | PingFloyd | that way you have everything you need locally in case |
| 19:32.15 | r3l1c | micket: you are right .. but im at my cousins computer .. no other unit available .. |
| 19:32.56 | _xbow | PingFloyd, ÕÕÕÕÕ ÎÅ ËÏÒÅÖÉÌ ÂÙ ÉÍÑ Ó×ÑÔÏÅ |
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| 19:32.56 | r3l1c | i will definitely learn net-install in 3 weeks.. but no time for that now |
| 19:32.56 | micket | r311c: Hmm, yes, wireless cards and such could be a hazzle. Got for CD one then, in total the amount of download is roughly the same. |
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| 19:34.08 | r3l1c | thank you so much for your assistance |
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| 19:34.42 | r3l1c | micket : i see the kernel is bit older and the wireless does not work out of the box then , i wonder how many tweaks will be needed |
| 19:35.25 | The_Devil | #!/bin/bash |
| 19:35.26 | The_Devil | # |
| 19:35.28 | The_Devil | # /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit - run once at boot time |
| 19:35.29 | The_Devil | # |
| 19:35.30 | micket | r3l1c: Sorry, but my experience in wireless cards are rather limited. |
| 19:35.32 | The_Devil | # Taken in part from Miquel van Smoorenburg's bcheckrc. |
| 19:35.34 | The_Devil | # |
| 19:35.36 | The_Devil | HOSTNAME=`/bin/hostname` |
| 19:35.38 | The_Devil | . /etc/init.d/functions |
| 19:35.40 | The_Devil | set -m |
| 19:35.42 | The_Devil | if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/network ]; then |
| 19:35.44 | The_Devil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:35.46 | The_Devil | fi |
| 19:35.48 | The_Devil | # Read in config data. |
| 19:35.50 | The_Devil | if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/system ]; then |
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| 19:35.52 | The_Devil | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.54 | The_Devil | fi |
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| 19:35.58 | The_Devil | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.00 | The_Devil | fi |
| 19:36.02 | The_Devil | if [ ! -e /proc/mounts ]; then |
| 19:36.04 | The_Devil | mount -n -t proc /proc /proc |
| 19:36.06 | The_Devil | mount -n -t sysfs /sys /sys >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 19:36.08 | The_Devil | fi |
| 19:36.10 | The_Devil | # Only read this once. |
| 19:36.12 | The_Devil | cmdline=$(cat /proc/cmdline) |
| 19:36.14 | The_Devil | for t in $cmdline; do |
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| 19:36.22 | The_Devil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:36.24 | The_Devil | done |
| 19:36.26 | The_Devil | [ -z "$REQUESTED_RUNLEVEL" ] && REQUESTED_RUNLEVEL=$(/bin/awk -F ':' '$3 == "initdefault" && $1 !~ "^#" { print $2 }' /etc/inittab) |
| 19:36.29 | The_Devil | [ -z "$REQUESTED_RUNLEVEL" ] && REQUESTED_RUNLEVEL="3" |
| 19:36.31 | The_Devil | # eugeni: killing splashy when using single-user mode |
| 19:36.33 | The_Devil | if [ "$REQUESTED_RUNLEVEL" == "S" ]; then |
| 19:36.35 | The_Devil | [ -x /sbin/splashy_update ] && /sbin/splashy_update exit 2>/dev/null |
| 19:36.37 | The_Devil | fi |
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| 19:36.39 | The_Devil | uname_r=`uname -r` |
| 19:36.41 | The_Devil | # Read in config data. |
| 19:36.43 | The_Devil | if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/speedboot ]; then |
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| 19:37.34 | r3l1c | micket: the wireless on NC10 works since some 6.28 kernel version which included the patch ... but i'll google that up |
| 19:37.54 | hjb | Hmm, i remeber that fllod posters would get kicked after 3 lines of flooding |
| 19:37.54 | r3l1c | 3 weeks guys .. and i'll netinstalling .. i promise |
| 19:38.02 | r3l1c | bye |
| 19:38.11 | r3l1c | and thanks again |
| 19:38.24 | micket | r3l1c: Hmm, well if you can plug in a ethernet cable for a while, you could upgrade. |
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| 19:40.28 | r3l1c | micket - what is the latest kernel in lenny ? im really tired of all the LATEST stuff in Ubuntu as it keeps f**** up the system as packages used are unstable... but kernel updates are needed |
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| 19:42.24 | r3l1c | * unstable vlc, pulse audio, etc. . |
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| 19:45.34 | micket | r3l1c: you can check package version by searching on packages.debian.net |
| 19:45.48 | micket | i believe it's .29 in unstable. |
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| 19:45.55 | PingFloyd | keep in mind that different repos update at different intervals |
| 19:46.02 | PingFloyd | which is actually sometimes a blessing in disguise |
| 19:46.26 | r3l1c | micket - i just checked ... the approved version for vlc in lenny is 0.8.6 ... while in ubuntu is the mad version 0.9.9 i thin |
| 19:46.45 | micket | r3l1c: mplayer. Problem solved ;) |
| 19:47.02 | r3l1c | think .... pulse audio not by default ( which is not finished all the way ) and so on |
| 19:48.30 | r3l1c | micket - we are trying to find if atom able to encode divx and stream to dreambox smoothly |
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| 19:49.02 | Gigantic | !poke |
| 19:49.02 | dpkg | yeah yeah, i'm here |
| 19:49.32 | micket | r3l1c: well, resolution? fake-HD should be possible even with just raw cpu-power. |
| 19:50.05 | r3l1c | 320x240 is fine... it was mad via windows.. far from smooth fps |
| 19:50.25 | Gigantic | erm, reminfd me how to ask about pkg versions to dpkg pls |
| 19:50.39 | Gigantic | the bot |
| 19:50.40 | r3l1c | my cousin decided to go for linux initially to surf porn and not to worry about viruses :D |
| 19:50.42 | micket | r3l1c: I have a 1.7GHz centrino, and i can pump out 1280x720 x264 without lag. |
| 19:50.57 | r3l1c | streaming encoded to mpeg2 ? |
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| 19:51.43 | r3l1c | it has to re-encode first ... and atom 1.6 is less than centrino i guess |
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| 19:52.14 | jessie | r3l1c: but it has a built in graphics card, doesn't it? |
| 19:52.41 | r3l1c | yes...that mpg2 conversion makes load on cpu |
| 19:52.42 | micket | Well.. i wouldn't except miracles when changing operating system... so reencoding might be tough on the hardware still. |
| 19:52.58 | r3l1c | yep |
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| 19:53.36 | r3l1c | micket ,.,, we will try * at least |
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| 19:57.41 | r3l1c | now i really have to go ... anyway ,, thanks for all your time guys ... bye |
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| 20:03.23 | lexande | trying to dist-upgrade in sid, during install of x11-common there is an error "tempfile: double free or corruption (fasttop)" |
| 20:03.46 | lexande | which prevents the upgrade from proceeding, leaving X in an unusable state |
| 20:03.58 | lexande | (error is followed by a backtrace etc) |
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| 20:09.06 | cy | Has anyone tried emacspeak? |
| 20:10.03 | cy | What I hear on their message board is that package managers have trouble with it because of the need to compile the speech server |
| 20:10.24 | cy | Well, compiling the speech server appears to me to be impossible (espeak being my speech server) |
| 20:10.45 | cy | tcl.h is not where they expect it to be, and the compiler complains of "no 'main'" |
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| 20:13.11 | micket | lexande: check the packages to see if there is any bug reports on the package in sid. I recently upgrades X11 in sid (got the latest shit running now) and i never experienced such problems. |
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| 20:14.02 | lexande | actually trying to reinstall the old x11-common gives the same problem; the problem seems to be with the "tempfile" program, and downgrading debianutils fixes it |
| 20:14.32 | lbt | any packaging experts bored and want to offer some guidance on packaging up cross compilers to run in chrooted qemu build environments... ? |
| 20:15.01 | lexande | ah there's already a bug and a patched version on its way. okay thanks anyway |
| 20:15.17 | lexande | (patched version of debianutils) |
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| 20:29.32 | lbt | I want to take an .deb containing i386 binaries and repackage it as if it were an armel .deb (explain: Then, when installed into a qemu armel chroot the native i386 binaries will be used) |
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| 20:38.13 | JyZyXEL | ummm shouldn't available disk space be Size - Used Space?? |
| 20:38.26 | JyZyXEL | df says: /dev/md0 1922866224 200180 1824990052 1% /media/raid |
| 20:38.56 | JyZyXEL | that is all wrong |
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| 20:39.59 | jessie | JyZyXEL: It's correct |
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| 20:40.21 | jessie | It goes Size total. Amount Used. Size Avaliable |
| 20:40.22 | JyZyXEL | jessie no there should be way more available space |
| 20:40.26 | jessie | I think.... |
| 20:40.29 | jessie | That's true. |
| 20:40.29 | jessie | hmmmm |
| 20:40.31 | jessie | i see that now |
| 20:40.33 | jessie | odd |
| 20:40.34 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 20:40.38 | JyZyXEL | odd... |
| 20:42.12 | jessie | i'd say |
| 20:42.12 | micket | Uhm, is it journaling or something that takes up some space? I dunno. |
| 20:42.29 | jessie | that's what i'm guessing |
| 20:42.30 | jessie | OH! |
| 20:42.43 | jessie | maybe one is in bits, compared to bytes, etc? |
| 20:42.50 | micket | Yeah, matched perfectly on my ext2 disk |
| 20:42.58 | micket | doesn't add up on my ext3 |
| 20:43.05 | jessie | Makes sense then.... |
| 20:43.25 | PingFloyd | or part of that could reserved root space too |
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| 20:49.27 | eps | is there a way to force alsa to detect my systems sound cards like it does at boot? (without rebooting) |
| 20:50.18 | PingFloyd | eps: usually just load the needed module |
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| 20:53.10 | eps | the relevant modules appear to be loaded |
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| 20:57.52 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. When I try to start pulseaudio, I get "E: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hw:0: Device or resource busy". How do I find out which programs are using hw:0? |
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| 20:58.41 | jonaskoelker | the full error message is on http://rafb.net/p/56qhKe39.html |
| 20:59.27 | eps | lsof /dev/dspX where X is your sound cards number |
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| 20:59.58 | jonaskoelker | no matches for `lsof | grep /dev/dsp' |
| 21:00.17 | eps | lsof /dev/dspX |
| 21:00.35 | eps | most likely 0 or 1 |
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| 21:00.57 | dirkD | mount -tsqashfs -oloop /.tmpfs/.cdrom/fs.squashfs /.tmpfs/.sqfs --> mount: No such device |
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| 21:01.02 | xand | isn't /dev/dsp* deprecated? |
| 21:01.03 | dirkD | any idea? |
| 21:01.19 | dirkD | xand: some apps still use it |
| 21:01.25 | eps | xand, it probably is. feel free to update me! :D |
| 21:01.30 | jonaskoelker | I get hits on /dev/snd*, killing mplayers, brb |
| 21:01.36 | eps | also OSS uses it and OSS is most likely what is locking up his sound |
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| 21:01.47 | jonaskoelker | yay :) |
| 21:02.00 | eps | that worked? |
| 21:02.02 | jonaskoelker | yep |
| 21:02.08 | eps | very nice :) |
| 21:02.24 | jonaskoelker | but my two pulseaudio instances (one per box) won't find each other... |
| 21:02.31 | jonaskoelker | does anyone know how the auto-discovery works? |
| 21:02.47 | jonaskoelker | I'm on the same lan and everything; got no firewalls and got no strings to tie me down and nuttin' :) |
| 21:03.02 | eps | if you find out tell me. I'm currently looking at a similar issue :/ |
| 21:03.17 | jonaskoelker | I'll try and remember :) |
| 21:03.19 | eps | oh that might be using bounjour? |
| 21:04.13 | jonaskoelker | aka avahi, right? |
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| 21:11.04 | lbt | I can use dget to get a .deb .... so dget bash brings me the bash.deb is there something similar to bring just the dsc? (apt-get source pulls the whole thing) |
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| 21:16.15 | lfaraone | How would I find the debdiff between version X and Y of somepackage-in-main? |
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| 21:20.27 | iquit | hi, using aptitude, i want to reinstall a package and also want its config-files to be removed and reinstalled. normally, one can just remove it with the "_" command and install it again, but how to proceed when there are dependency issues that wont let you remove the package? |
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| 21:24.11 | meder | How does one transfer a file to a server if one has SSH access? |
| 21:24.31 | meder | a file that's local on my pc |
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| 21:26.12 | petemc | meder: scp, if on windows use winscp |
| 21:26.46 | meder | petemc: do i need to setup a daemon like how ftp works? or does it work by default because ssh is already setup? |
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| 21:27.04 | petemc | its part of ssh |
| 21:27.08 | meder | oh |
| 21:27.17 | meder | one last question |
| 21:27.23 | meder | i only have a root login so far, its a new vps |
| 21:27.30 | meder | should it be wise to make a new acct to do it under or what |
| 21:27.35 | petemc | yes |
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| 21:27.50 | meder | how does that work, when one creates a new user? do i get to see a limited directory or everything under that new user? |
| 21:28.21 | petemc | you can see most things, you can put stuff in your home dir |
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| 21:29.05 | cleric_marcus | hello there |
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| 21:31.32 | dirkD | mount -tsquashfs -oloop /.tmpfs/.cdrom/fs.squashfs /.tmpfs/.sqfs --> mount: No such device |
| 21:31.32 | dirkD | (this happens on a initramfs disk created by mkinitramfs) |
| 21:31.57 | dirkD | any ideas? |
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| 21:32.51 | petemc | an initrd is a gzipped cpio archive |
| 21:33.31 | petemc | !initrd modules |
| 21:33.31 | dpkg | initrd modules is, like, zcat /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` | cpio -t | grep ko$; |
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| 21:35.50 | dirkD | petemc: i'm not mounting the initramfs |
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| 21:35.51 | dirkD | i'm booting it |
| 21:35.51 | dirkD | and then i try to mount a squashfs image |
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| 21:36.33 | dirkD | compilebox:/AcronisLiveCD/R1# diff /bin/mount initramfs_contents/bin/mount |
| 21:36.33 | dirkD | Binary files /bin/mount and initramfs_contents/bin/mount differ |
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| 21:36.45 | dirkD | apparently is has some crippled version or mount |
| 21:37.17 | vinsci | how do one automatically get the download URL for a package from the package name, version & architecture (and mirror)? Need to do this for a number of packages being downgraded |
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| 21:45.11 | bmoll8 | i was wondering if I should purchase a motherboard with support for ddr2 ram, or one with support for ddr3 |
| 21:45.16 | bmoll8 | been reading online--inconclusive whether ddr3 is replacing ddr2 now, or in the forseeable future |
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| 21:45.57 | Tramp | bmoll8: ##hardware? |
| 21:46.17 | dimedo | hi, can someone give me an overview over the steps needed to create an image for pxe boot with a preseed file included? |
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| 21:54.37 | exx | hello all |
| 21:55.42 | exx | i ve setuped vmware server on debian and now guest OS cant browse net but host os can ping guest guest cant ping host |
| 21:55.48 | exx | any help? |
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| 22:05.44 | ssamoon | hey, anyone familiar with the update-alternatives command? i have nothing showing up under x-www-browser, how do i manually add entries? |
| 22:06.25 | micket | I was wondering that myself for x-terminal-emulator. |
| 22:07.02 | micket | ssamoon: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/set-the-default-terminal-emulator-on-ubuntu-linux/ same as with this i guess |
| 22:07.30 | ssamoon | yeah nothing comes up under x-www-browser for me |
| 22:07.45 | ssamoon | need to use the --install flag somehow but not having luck so far |
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| 22:09.07 | micket | ssamoon: hmm, i'm guessing that should be up to the package to add when you install a new browser. |
| 22:09.46 | micket | update-alternatives --list x-www-browser lists iceweasel for me |
| 22:09.56 | ssamoon | yeah, i'm sure it would, but i compiled myself.. |
| 22:11.48 | octo_ | am i here? |
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| 22:12.32 | micket | ssamoon: ah, ok, well, then installing it manually is most definitely the way to go. |
| 22:12.41 | ssamoon | micket: i guess i can just make my own symlink to /usr/bin/x-www-browser , think that'll work.. |
| 22:13.02 | babbage | Are there any installation images for amd64 domUs? |
| 22:13.06 | babbage | for Xen |
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| 22:13.42 | ssamoon | yeah, that worked. dunno what the point of all that update-alternatives stuff is, can just make a symlink. thanks anyhow |
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| 22:16.44 | dimedo | i mounted an iso file, copied all files into an temporary directory, edited some thing and tried to create a new iso with mkisofs. i seem to have lost the bootsector on the way. any idea how to fix that? |
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| 22:20.18 | rgammans | dimedo, did you use the -b switch ? |
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| 22:21.56 | dimedo | rgammans, i tried but if i give it the original debian netboot image it says it cant find the boot image |
| 22:22.13 | Blizzerand__ | Hey there I downloaded an iso image using jigdo but where is the image saved !(after download) |
| 22:22.49 | rgammans | dimedo, I think the boot image and cat for the debian images is in /boot |
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| 22:26.29 | null | Question: how would I change my system fingerprint? Eg: have it say i'm a windows box |
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| 22:43.43 | lolufail | hi! |
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| 22:44.48 | lolufail | is there a difference between envelope-from: and sender: and return-path: in smtp? |
| 22:46.22 | babbage | lolufail, I think you're a bit confused. There is no such thing as a header in SMTP. SMTP is a protocol, there is no inspection of the content of the mail at all, even the headers. You probably mean RFC822 and its successors, not SMTP. |
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| 22:47.06 | babbage | (There is a limited inspection of whole lines in order to identify \n.\n sequences, since they indicate the end of the DATA command) |
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| 22:48.01 | lolufail | babbage: hmm, then... what would I want to add to my email if I want to get bounces to that specifix adress? |
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| 22:51.18 | lolufail | hmm, I find this in the RFC: |
| 22:51.20 | lolufail | ( "Sender" ":" mailbox ; Actual submittor |
| 22:51.34 | lolufail | so one should use both sender and return-path? |
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| 22:56.56 | owen1 | i use the terminal to connect to my wireless network. from some reason i keep loosing my connection and have to run 'sudo dhclient'. is there a package i sohuld install to make my connection more reliable? |
| 22:57.54 | pobega | owen1: what do you mean by using 'the terminal to connect'? iwconfig? Debian networking daemon? |
| 22:58.49 | pobega | owen1: actually, you may want to look at your router's DHCP lease time. The address may be expiring early. |
| 22:58.53 | lolufail | there is a debian networking daemon? |
| 22:59.08 | owen1 | pobega: yes, i set the essid and key with iwconfig. |
| 22:59.27 | pobega | lolufail: /etc/network/interfaces is the config and /etc/init.d/networking is the daemon, but AFAIK it basically wraps around ifconfig/iwconfig/wpa_supplicant |
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| 23:00.04 | pobega | owen1: try it with the Debian networking daemon and see if that helps -- but I personally think it's the lease time |
| 23:00.20 | lolufail | pobega: /etc/init.d/networking is not a daemon... it doesnt _run in background_, the definition of a daemon ;) |
| 23:00.34 | pobega | true, I use the word daemon loosely. |
| 23:00.38 | lolufail | k |
| 23:00.44 | pobega | personally I use wicd, it's pretty slick. |
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| 23:01.16 | lolufail | pobega: I find /etc/network/interfaces quite awesome to be honest |
| 23:01.20 | pobega | owen1: if you have the option to use a GUI to configure your wireless interface, try out wicd. It cured a lot of my problems. |
| 23:01.35 | owen1 | pobega: i don't think it's my router's issue, i have another computer with xfce and the connection there is stable. |
| 23:01.46 | pobega | lolufail: I used to use it, and I actually used it alongside a bash script to allow roaming, but tbh I had a lot of problems with it and WPA. |
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| 23:02.15 | pobega | owen1: Like I said, if configuring the connection using a GUI is possible try out wicd |
| 23:02.22 | owen1 | pobega: btw, i am talking about every 2 minutes that i get disconnected. |
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| 23:02.36 | jmonreal | how do I remove gnome, and upgrade kde3.5 to kde4 on debian 5 testing? |
| 23:02.37 | lolufail | pobega: I only use it for static ip adresses on ethernet apapters, sorry, I use windows on my machines at home ;) not much of a linux4desktop fan |
| 23:02.40 | jmonreal | is it possible?? |
| 23:03.00 | pobega | lolufail: in that case Debian's config files are really slick :] |
| 23:03.05 | lolufail | :D |
| 23:03.12 | pobega | I've never used anything else on a desktop tbh |
| 23:03.30 | pobega | owen1: every two minutes? Wow. Well, you should definitely try something else out -- even if it's Debian config files. |
| 23:03.39 | babbage | lolufail, that has nothing to do with the headers at all. Bounces are required to be sent to the envelope sender, not to any addresses in any headers. See http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2821.txt |
| 23:03.50 | owen1 | pobega: someone told me about wicd. anyone using it? |
| 23:04.10 | pobega | owen1: I just told you about wicd, haha. And I use it. |
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| 23:05.24 | lolufail | owen1: did you check your logs about the connections losses? |
| 23:05.45 | owen1 | lolufail: where are those logs? |
| 23:05.51 | lolufail | owen1: /var/log |
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| 23:06.09 | lolufail | try something like: tail -f /var/log/kern.log |
| 23:06.20 | lolufail | or /var/log/syslog |
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| 23:06.57 | lotharn | anyone know used jtag? |
| 23:07.00 | lolufail | owen1: the fact that a dhclient can revive the connection is irritating |
| 23:07.16 | lolufail | owen1: maybe you router drops the lease or something weird |
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| 23:07.37 | lolufail | router=dhcpserver... |
| 23:07.38 | lotharn | Jtag? |
| 23:07.49 | lotharn | anyone? |
| 23:07.55 | pobega | lolufail: that's what I was thinking initially, but according to him his other computer doesn't have a problem |
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| 23:11.21 | owen1 | lolufail: pobega : the main difference is that the other machine have xfce. |
| 23:12.01 | lolufail | owen1: try to kill all gnome stuff |
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| 23:12.41 | lolufail | owen1: i.e. /etc/init.d/gdm stop; killall X |
| 23:12.43 | owen1 | lolufail: i don't use gnome. using awesome window manager. |
| 23:13.11 | lolufail | owen1: hmm, just try to make sure that every "network manager" is shut down |
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| 23:13.22 | lolufail | they tend to interfere if you use CLI and not them |
| 23:13.33 | yuka_ | lolufail: that's me again, from the laptop, i prefer to use this since the other machine keeps disconnecting.. |
| 23:15.01 | yuka_ | lolufail: btw, what is the name of the log file i should look into? i am in /var/log |
| 23:15.27 | pobega | owen1: check /etc/network/interfaces and comment everything out but `lo` |
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| 23:16.41 | yuka_ | pobega: i see there auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 23:16.55 | yuka_ | pobega: btw, eth0 is my wireless interface |
| 23:17.20 | lolufail | yuka_: in /var/log, check out syslog |
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| 23:17.22 | pobega | yuka_: that may be the problem; usually the ethernet interface is binded to eth0. Are you sure you aren't causing udev some name confusion? |
| 23:18.10 | yuka_ | pobega: i don't know what udev is. how do i check for the name confusion u refering to? |
| 23:18.25 | yuka_ | lolufail: ok, i am looking inti syslog. |
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| 23:18.37 | lolufail | maybe post it to www.pastebin.com |
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| 23:20.50 | owen1 | lolufail: lolufail pobega : http://pastebin.com/m7c3e0cce |
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| 23:21.10 | pobega | owen1: I'll brb, going to try out a freshly compiled kernel. |
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| 23:21.15 | pobega | owen1: update me when I get back |
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| 23:21.36 | goodbit | Hey guys, does anyone know how to disable middle-click paste in Linux? |
| 23:21.37 | owen1 | i will. |
| 23:22.00 | goodbit | I have a laptop that uses the middle mouse button in combination with the pointing stick to scroll |
| 23:22.06 | babbage | goodbit, you could just change that button to being button 6 or something. Otherwise, no. |
| 23:22.28 | JPT | where exactly is this button assignment to the pasting stuff? |
| 23:22.28 | lolufail | owen1: post a ifconfig -a |
| 23:22.37 | amphi | goodbit: that's not a problem here |
| 23:22.43 | goodbit | Well, the problem is I need the middle mouse button to be the middle click mouse-button. |
| 23:22.48 | goodbit | Amphi: Really? |
| 23:22.54 | amphi | goodbit: I use 7-button-emulation |
| 23:22.59 | amphi | goodbit: really ;) |
| 23:23.05 | goodbit | Ah, how did you do that? |
| 23:23.21 | goodbit | I keep accidentally pasting shit into my code, and it screws it up and it takes me forever to find |
| 23:23.22 | lolufail | goodbit: check xorg.conf |
| 23:23.27 | babbage | JPT, that's the problem. The action of button-2 is built into many many programs. It's probably impossible to totally configure it out. Hence the best thing is just to map the middle button to generate a button-6 or button-7 event instead,. |
| 23:23.28 | goodbit | Alright, thanks. |
| 23:23.32 | freaky_t | if i run a dedicated debian lenny server, can i install the harden package without locking me out? oO |
| 23:23.46 | amphi | goodbit: that's what makes button-2-drag work as wheel emulation |
| 23:24.14 | JPT | mhh...i still did not figure out how to make the 4th and 5th button work....and the third button causes errors within firefox when i miss a link i want to click on |
| 23:24.18 | JPT | ;) |
| 23:24.21 | amphi | goodbit: that shouldn't happen; middle-click paste happens on button up |
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| 23:24.30 | babbage | amphi, you really sure? xev says that generates differently-numbered button events iirc. |
| 23:24.42 | owen1 | lolufail: http://pastebin.com/m1bf4ae2 - ifconfig -a |
| 23:25.07 | babbage | freaky_t: I don't know, but you could try it out on a Xen or Qemu instance |
| 23:25.11 | goodbit | Yeah, I think it happens when I press the button to scroll, then change my mind. |
| 23:25.19 | amphi | babbage: eh? just middle-clicking generates button2 down/up; button-2-down-drag generates button4/5/6/7 |
| 23:25.25 | freaky_t | I don't have xen |
| 23:25.30 | amphi | goodbit: d'oh ;) |
| 23:25.33 | goodbit | since I usually have code in the clipboard, it'll paste syntactically correct stuff |
| 23:25.39 | goodbit | and stuff will still compile |
| 23:25.43 | amphi | goodbit: heh |
| 23:26.01 | goodbit | like mouse-droppings in the cereal |
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| 23:26.10 | freaky_t | babbage thx |
| 23:26.32 | babbage | amphi, precisely. I was replying to your previous comment. |
| 23:26.50 | amphi | goodbit: I explicitly enabled this; I don't know how you'd disable it - see thinkwiki perhaps |
| 23:26.53 | lolufail | owen1: Oo I'm out, this is out of my league :D try to check if eth0 is really your widi interface, looks more like ath0 is the right one... |
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| 23:27.05 | TongueOfColicab | hi, ive downloaded the Debian 5.0 DVD.iso yesterday, when i try to install it, the system cant find jsfutils file on step "load components" |
| 23:27.18 | TongueOfColicab | and i cant continue with installation process, what can i do? |
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| 23:27.27 | amphi | goodbit: 'Option "EmulateWheel" "off"' perhaps |
| 23:27.36 | yuka_ | lolufail: ok, thanks! |
| 23:28.10 | amphi | goodbit: oh, you wanted to disable middle-click paste, sorry |
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| 23:29.17 | goodbit | git commit -a |
| 23:29.23 | goodbit | ignore |
| 23:29.25 | goodbit | sighs |
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| 23:29.59 | TongueOfColicab | can anyone help me??? i've posted this question in a lot of other chats without any solution |
| 23:30.10 | goodbit | We can try. What's your prob? |
| 23:30.28 | JPT | jsf shouldn't be neccessary for a usual installation |
| 23:30.32 | TongueOfColicab | as i said |
| 23:30.34 | TongueOfColicab | ive downloaded the Debian 5.0 DVD.iso yesterday, when i try to install it, the system cant find jsfutils file on step "load components" |
| 23:30.44 | TongueOfColicab | and i cant continue with installation process |
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| 23:31.04 | TongueOfColicab | but installation process stops when jfsutils file isnt founded |
| 23:31.17 | JPT | did you verify that the dvd you burned is 1:1 identical to your local iso and to the iso on the download-server (md5sum)? |
| 23:31.43 | goodbit | I've never had that problem before. I always do netinstall |
| 23:31.49 | goodbit | sorry |
| 23:32.14 | TongueOfColicab | thats another problem i cant use netinstall because my network card isnt detected =( |
| 23:32.43 | goodbit | What are you installing on, out of curiosity? |
| 23:33.04 | TongueOfColicab | i didnt verify that yet, do u think the dvd i burned is different from the iso?? |
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| 23:33.10 | TongueOfColicab | Debian 5.0 Lenny |
| 23:33.29 | goodbit | maybe your iso got corrupted in transit |
| 23:33.52 | goodbit | That's what checking the md5sum is for; it tells you if you got everything downloaded properly. |
| 23:33.56 | TongueOfColicab | so, i've to download iso again?? |
| 23:34.07 | JPT | if the md5sum is not the same, then probably yes |
| 23:34.30 | TongueOfColicab | how can i check the md5sum? |
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| 23:34.39 | JPT | there is a cli-tool to do that.. |
| 23:34.44 | JPT | md5sum <file> |
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| 23:35.19 | andromedacocq | oh |
| 23:35.22 | andromedacocq | i see |
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| 23:35.41 | goodbit | TongueOfColicab: http://www.irnis.net/gloss/md5sum-windows.shtml |
| 23:36.07 | TongueOfColicab | if my network card isnt detected on installation process that means i wont find drivers later? |
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| 23:38.09 | amphi | TongueOfColicab: not necessarily |
| 23:38.16 | amphi | what is it? |
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| 23:40.47 | TongueOfColicab | ive downloaded the checksum verifier, now i've to use it on Debian DVD1.iso and next on burned DVD? |
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| 23:41.13 | JPT | yep....check if it's identical :) |
| 23:41.43 | laurus | I want to install Debian on my laptop. There's only one thing holding me back: the default Appearance font rendering for the desktop and menus. Sans at 10 point is incredibly large and bold compared to on my Desktop computer. Any way to fix this issue? |
| 23:42.00 | TongueOfColicab | this program allow me to select folders not files?? is it right? |
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| 23:43.15 | laurus | I'm using GNOME btw. |
| 23:43.26 | JPT | mhh |
| 23:43.46 | TongueOfColicab | i'll be back in a moment and im going to tell u the results ok? |
| 23:43.54 | JPT | ok |
| 23:43.58 | majhool | laurus: xpyinfo | grep -i resolution |
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| 23:44.56 | laurus | majhool: I'll restart with my LiveCD, run it, then come back here and tell you the answer. Anything else I should do while I'm in Debian? |
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| 23:45.29 | majhool | laurus: if it's over 96, then edit, as root, /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc and add -dpi 96 to the end of the /usr/bin/X11/X line |
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| 23:45.53 | majhool | laurus: the first command will simply give you info |
| 23:45.58 | laurus | majhool: Okay I'll try that. Thank you and be right back! |
| 23:46.00 | laurus | :) |
| 23:46.07 | majhool | np |
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| 23:53.47 | antiwire | hello, is it still possible to download iso images of debian that were affected by the ssl PRNG problem? |
| 23:54.29 | dimedo | can anyone please help me creating a pxe boot image with integrated preseed.cfg. |
| 23:54.35 | azeem | antiwire: old versions of openssl can probably still be found on snapshot.debian.net |
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| 23:55.02 | bzed | antiwire: also its very easy to create a borken version againn |
| 23:55.42 | TongueOfColicab | Hi again i was trying to use the checksum verifier but it just give me STAT: No files processed |
| 23:55.50 | JPT | mhh... |
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| 23:56.17 | antiwire | bzed: I don't usually run Debian but I am somewhat familiar with it. I'm looking into this strange request out of curiosity and for internal testing. Can you suggest the best method do accomplish your suggestion? |
| 23:56.21 | antiwire | do/to |
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| 23:56.50 | TongueOfColicab | it just drops lots of WARN <namefile> is not listed in checksum |
| 23:57.10 | JPT | err....oh |
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| 23:57.39 | JPT | you have to tell the verifier to just calculate the md5sum without reffering to checksum-files |
| 23:58.26 | TongueOfColicab | i just have this options |
| 23:58.29 | bzed | antiwire: get the actual source, and google for the exact change |
| 23:58.36 | TongueOfColicab | include subfoldes |
| 23:58.37 | bzed | antiwire: or look on svn.debian.org |
| 23:58.50 | TongueOfColicab | overwrite existing checksum files |
| 23:58.51 | bzed | antiwire: I think the debian package is hosted there |
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| 23:58.55 | JPT | mhh |
| 23:58.57 | antiwire | bzed / azeem: Thank you both. |
| 23:58.58 | TongueOfColicab | create sfv files |
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| 23:59.18 | TongueOfColicab | and a lot of create checksum files options |
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