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| 00:01.21 | asulao | abrotman: actually, I think a just switched download repositories. everything was working fine, except an apache problem I was having. |
| 00:01.57 | asulao | anyway I guess I'll just have to reinstall from cd again. |
| 00:02.01 | asulao | night all |
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| 00:04.22 | kaduk | hi |
| 00:04.26 | kaduk | is make-kpkg in sid broken ? |
| 00:04.44 | kaduk | Or I missed something |
| 00:04.50 | abrotman | it's changed quite a bit .. |
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| 00:05.06 | abrotman | http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/README.txt |
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| 00:05.59 | kaduk | tail: cannot open `debian/changelog' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 00:06.01 | kaduk | ? |
| 00:06.13 | kaduk | command is make-kpkg --initrd --revision=05.05.09 --append-to-version=-vanilla-jbarnespatch kernel-image |
| 00:06.20 | kaduk | and I dont have debian/ dir |
| 00:06.57 | kaduk | abrotman, can I downgrade ? |
| 00:07.47 | abrotman | no idea what that would mean |
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| 00:09.16 | kaduk | abrotman, it build fails... then bug probably |
| 00:09.28 | kaduk | I see those errors but it goes on forward... |
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| 00:12.16 | abrotman | did you read the README i pasted above yet? |
| 00:12.38 | sparta | I am using debian lenny and I wish to configure wireless internet. Can someone advice? |
| 00:13.17 | adama_ | !wireless |
| 00:13.17 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <rt2x00>, <rt28xx>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 00:14.42 | kaduk | abrotman, skimmed it |
| 00:14.58 | abrotman | oay |
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| 00:46.08 | careta | i'm trying to compile a kernel on a remote lenny machine using an unstable network link. how do make the kernel compile "in the background"? |
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| 00:46.48 | abrotman | careta: use 'screen' |
| 00:47.03 | abrotman | if you get disconnected .. you can re-ssh in and screen -Rd |
| 00:47.03 | sepult | careta: make bla bla & |
| 00:47.13 | sepult | careta: will shift it to the background |
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| 00:47.31 | sepult | careta: you can take it to the foreground with fg |
| 00:47.47 | vasi | yeah, but it may still die if your ssh session goes away....i second abrotman's suggestion, use screen |
| 00:47.53 | sepult | careta: or you can use bg make bla bla to make it compile in the background |
| 00:48.02 | abrotman | no ... use screen |
| 00:49.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, now we wonder why you got to compile a kernel :) |
| 00:50.00 | careta | thanks |
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| 00:50.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess we can keep on wondering |
| 00:51.02 | careta | i'm doing a benchmark, vanilla kernel 2.6.29.1 compiler with gcc vs compiled with intel c++ compiler |
| 00:51.38 | Nappz | I just recently switched from Gentoo to Debian and have been working on the server a lot to get everything back to normal. For some reason the old vhosts file for apache wasn't aggreing with my server so I wrote a new one from scrratch. and anyway one of the websites on my server a mediawiki website (vfaa.transairvirtual.info) loads very slowly, it uses name based virtual hosting through apache, while things from the main part of |
| 00:51.38 | Nappz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | fair enough :) |
| 00:52.53 | abrotman | careta: wtf .. why woudl you do that over an unstable ssh link ? |
| 00:53.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nappz, top // iotop ? |
| 00:53.49 | careta | abrotman, because the machine is 200km away and my current internet connection keeps failing every 5 minutos |
| 00:54.18 | abrotman | wonders why you wouldn't just do it on a local machine |
| 00:54.41 | abrotman | careta: anyways .. screen is a useful tool .. you'll learn to enjoy it |
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| 00:55.00 | Nappz | CutmeOwnThroat: Hm, thats a good Idea I'll look at that right now |
| 00:55.07 | JordiGH | It looks like none of the emacs-goodies are being loaded by Emacs. |
| 00:55.14 | JordiGH | My apache mode is gone. :-( |
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| 00:55.40 | careta | screen is outputting strange messages kernel:[2202512.866516] [<de9d4df9>] xfs_flush_pages+0x3f/0x62 [xfs] |
| 00:55.55 | JordiGH | However, if I do (require 'apache-mode) in a Lisp buffer, it loads fine. |
| 00:56.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nappz, /var/log/apache*/*{access,error}*log |
| 00:56.07 | JordiGH | Do I have to explicitly enable loading the emacs-goodies things? |
| 00:56.10 | vasi | JordiGH: emacs is just trying to tell you you should use vi ;-P |
| 00:56.24 | Nappz | Ok. |
| 00:56.56 | JordiGH | vasi: vi can't do the shit I do with Emacs. vi doesn't do ediff. QED. |
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| 00:57.12 | JordiGH | vasi: gg |
| 00:58.15 | vasi | heh, just teasing...i'm actually more of a TextMate/Geany guy myself |
| 00:58.30 | JordiGH | vasi: #debian <---- you are here |
| 00:58.37 | vasi | iirc vi does have a diff3 mode, but i've always preferred meld for that |
| 00:58.47 | vasi | er, Geany is in debian's repo, no? |
| 00:59.03 | JordiGH | Can vi's diff show you exactly what changed in a diffed line? |
| 00:59.05 | vasi | it's what i typically use on all distros |
| 00:59.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !start an editor war |
| 00:59.07 | dpkg | edlin blows |
| 00:59.17 | vasi | JordiGH: i have no idea, i actually hate vi :-P |
| 00:59.46 | JordiGH | ANYWAYS. Why is my Emacs not loading my emacs-goodies, even though they're obviously in the loadpath? |
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| 00:59.53 | vasi | kk, sorry for the tangest |
| 00:59.55 | vasi | *tangent |
| 00:59.59 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: did you restart emacs after installing them? |
| 01:00.09 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Sure, I installed them a year ago. |
| 01:00.24 | JordiGH | actually does restart his Emacs once in a while, even if it's almost always on. |
| 01:00.34 | Nappz | CutMeOwnThroat: I've checked through those logs and monitored top and iotop as I loaded the webpage and saw nothing out of the ordinary |
| 01:00.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
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| 01:00.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | could be some DNS thingy |
| 01:01.03 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: cool, and /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50-emacs-goodies-el.el is there? |
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| 01:01.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I have no idea why any lookup should happen at that time |
| 01:01.17 | vasi | Nappz: you could try tracing it? |
| 01:01.32 | Nappz | vasi: you mean traceroute? or? |
| 01:01.35 | vasi | strace |
| 01:01.42 | vasi | there are also some php profilers |
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| 01:01.46 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Affirmative, cap'n. |
| 01:01.47 | dondelelcaro | s/50-/50/ |
| 01:01.50 | Nappz | Never used that tool but I'll check it out |
| 01:01.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nappz, perhaps apache is doing reverse lookups to put hostnames in its log? |
| 01:01.52 | vasi | i think xdebug comes with one of them... |
| 01:01.55 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: and if you eval that buffer, what happens? |
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| 01:02.27 | vasi | answers 'strace' to every question he doesn't really know the answer to :-) |
| 01:02.34 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Ah. "emacs-goodies not fully installed" |
| 01:02.42 | Nappz | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't think thats it.. |
| 01:02.42 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: "skipping setup" |
| 01:02.43 | JordiGH | wtf |
| 01:02.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | vasi, it's rather inappropriate in this case, though :) |
| 01:03.02 | JordiGH | does aptitude reinstall |
| 01:03.04 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: yeah; /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/emacs-goodies-el/xrdb-mode.el is missing for some reason |
| 01:03.19 | JordiGH | checks the BTS. |
| 01:03.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nappz, no idea, then... |
| 01:04.07 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: since it's in all of the packages, something probalby deleted it; it actually is in the package... |
| 01:04.09 | Nappz | CutMeOwnThroat: Okay, Thanks for trying, |
| 01:04.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nappz, if top and iotop don't show activity, it could only be something it's waiting on |
| 01:04.26 | JordiGH | Why does aptitude open up Emacs while it's byte-compiling the .els? |
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| 01:04.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nappz, and that could be either the disks (but that should show up on iotop) or something like dns lookups |
| 01:04.43 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it runs a copy of emacs, but that's it |
| 01:04.43 | Nappz | CutMeOwnThroat: They show activity |
| 01:04.54 | Nappz | But what would normally show |
| 01:04.57 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: And that copy actually opens up a GTK+ window. |
| 01:05.05 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: uh... it shouldn't... |
| 01:05.33 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Hmm... So what should I do? Fetch that xrdb-mode.el thingie? |
| 01:05.43 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: reinstall emacs-goodies-el |
| 01:05.55 | Nappz | Also, the stuff from document root loads fine, http://MYIP (/var/www) but stuff for the vhost wiki http://vfaa.transairvirtual.info (/home/vfaa/public_html) loads slowly |
| 01:05.59 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: but you probably should also check to see what emacs you're running, since Debian's won't open a gtk window |
| 01:06.16 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it kind of sounds like you've got a orphan copy of emacs floating around |
| 01:06.19 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: no dice |
| 01:06.34 | vasi | Nappz: are you saying the exact same site runs faster in the DocumentRoot? |
| 01:06.36 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Eh, I didn't get anything other than what's on the Debian repos. |
| 01:06.54 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Although maybe I should do aptitude full-upgrade.. |
| 01:07.05 | Nappz | Oh, no it's not the exact some site. BUt I should try that, hold on a min |
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| 01:07.53 | careta | i can't compile a kernel on my machine, it keeps saying "fatal compiler error" after issuing the make-kpkg command |
| 01:08.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nappz, did you try to view static html on that virtual host? |
| 01:08.24 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: /usr/share/emacs22/site-lisp/emacs-goodies-el/xrdb-mode.el exists on my system |
| 01:08.45 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: uh... that's not where it should be |
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| 01:09.27 | dondelelcaro | well, a symlink should be there, but the actual file exists elsewhere |
| 01:09.27 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Actually, the script is looking for the byte-compiled version of that.. which I don't have. |
| 01:09.54 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: right, presumably because emacs -q -batch isn't working like it should on your system |
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| 01:10.20 | JordiGH | Who broke my Emacs? |
| 01:10.28 | JordiGH | There will be blood. |
| 01:10.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Max and Moritz did it! |
| 01:11.12 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: do you happen to have FLAGS set in your environment or something else odd? |
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| 01:11.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nappz, actually http://vfaa.transairvirtual.info/alphatest/application.php loads fast |
| 01:11.31 | JordiGH | export ONETRUEEDITOR=/usr/bin/emacs |
| 01:11.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | must be your wiki |
| 01:11.39 | JordiGH | ok... |
| 01:11.46 | JordiGH | maybe that was me... |
| 01:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | there will be blooooood! |
| 01:11.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | stabs JordiGH |
| 01:11.58 | Nappz | 0.o, your violating my space |
| 01:11.58 | Nappz | xD |
| 01:12.25 | Nappz | Yeap, your right, it's the wiki it self it seems.. Hmm |
| 01:12.28 | JordiGH | I think I have alternatives setup to my Emacs bash script that ensures that emacs always loads clients in order to have single-window mode in Emacs. |
| 01:12.28 | abrotman | you're |
| 01:12.38 | JordiGH | Nappz: My right? |
| 01:12.56 | Nappz | JordiGH: ? |
| 01:13.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | you gotta fight! for your right! |
| 01:13.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | to paaaarty! |
| 01:13.27 | Nappz | lmao |
| 01:13.30 | CamargoBP | thinks people need to take a break and have fun with this app: http://camargobp.mybrute.com It's actually pretty fun. |
| 01:13.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | no ugly fun? |
| 01:13.50 | Nappz | Anyway moving on.. |
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| 01:14.09 | JordiGH | Nappz: You said something about "your right". |
| 01:14.26 | Nappz | Oh lol |
| 01:14.29 | Nappz | I see |
| 01:14.45 | Nappz | Sorry about the grammer error *rolls eyes* |
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| 01:14.53 | ma3x | i deleted my /etc/fonts/fonts.conf what should i do? |
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| 01:15.34 | Nappz | So I'm going to try reinstalling mediawiki (keeping the old mysql db to perserve the data) |
| 01:15.40 | Nappz | Thanks for the help |
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| 01:16.02 | JordiGH | No, my /usr/bin/emacsdammit symlink doesn't have anything to do with it... |
| 01:16.57 | JordiGH | Eh, whatever. I'll just manually byte-compile that thing and make emacs happy. |
| 01:17.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ma3x, /msg dpkg confmiss ; /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 01:17.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, sounds like a tamagotchi |
| 01:17.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... however that's spelled |
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| 01:18.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nappz, perhaps see if you mysql queries are slow? |
| 01:18.45 | Nappz | Phpmyadmin runs fine |
| 01:18.48 | Nappz | So I doubt thats it |
| 01:18.55 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: It's more like this: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/AI+Koan <--- at the very bottom |
| 01:18.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | the wiki database might be corrupted |
| 01:19.18 | Nappz | Thats also very possible |
| 01:19.41 | Nappz | Since theres not that much stuff on the wiki I might just do a fresh install, and hand copy & paste everything from the old one |
| 01:19.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, very important to spread the happiness around :) |
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| 01:20.27 | jaggy- | why'd xsane stop working? |
| 01:20.37 | jaggy- | it now says io error when I acquire or scan |
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| 01:22.01 | jaggy- | I believe it happened after updating to lenny |
| 01:22.05 | jaggy- | from etch |
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| 01:23.44 | JordiGH | !blame lenny |
| 01:23.44 | dpkg | blames debhelper and lenny for all the evil in the world |
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| 01:24.04 | abrotman | jaggy-: do you have any error messages for us? |
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| 01:27.56 | jaggy- | okay, well now it's not accessing it at all so nevermind for a bit I guess... it's saying "Failed to open device `pixma:04a9262f': Invalid argument. |
| 01:28.24 | jaggy- | but it was at least running and recognizing it a bit ago.. I'll have to deal with it later |
| 01:28.35 | jaggy- | thanks |
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| 01:29.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah, I'd love to try miro for that, but it depends on a new libc6 |
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| 01:32.51 | heapify | Hi |
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| 01:34.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, is there an apt-get option to install things as non-manual |
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| 01:34.34 | sahueso | buena genteç |
| 01:34.36 | sahueso | saben cual es el comando ejecutable gente para el control de volumen para ponerlo en el pane |
| 01:35.06 | Tramp | !es |
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| 01:35.26 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: to do what? |
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| 01:36.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, auto-remove build-dependencies that fail to install with apt-get build-dep |
| 01:36.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well ... guess I'm not meant to play around with miro 2.0 |
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| 01:37.53 | heapify | Is there an op available? |
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| 01:38.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 01:39.25 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: there was a script somewhere |
| 01:39.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | feel the urge to be kicked? |
| 01:39.25 | abrotman | heapify: why? |
| 01:39.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, there's "srcinst", but I doubt it can handle broken build-deps |
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| 01:39.40 | heapify | ops handle the +b stuff :P |
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| 01:39.56 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: aptitude markauto does not help? |
| 01:40.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, that might do |
| 01:40.35 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: http://vince-debian.blogspot.com/2008/04/mk-build-deps-create-dummy-package.html ? |
| 01:40.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought I'd stick with apt-get |
| 01:41.02 | abrotman | heapify: what do you need an op for? |
| 01:41.11 | luke3321 | What is the official stand on Aptitude vs Apt-Get? |
| 01:41.13 | heapify | To clear up a ban. Are you an op? |
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| 01:41.30 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: except his script is gone :( |
| 01:41.45 | abrotman | luke3321: in almost all cases, aptitude is a better tool |
| 01:42.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, well, isn't so ideal for broken build-deps either - I'll go with the markauto from aptiude... I should have remembered that |
| 01:42.15 | luke3321 | abrotman: I've found that out lately after Apt-Get couldnt dist-upgrade and aptitude could |
| 01:42.22 | luke3321 | Good to know |
| 01:42.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.27 | abrotman | yes, aptitude is the recommended tool for dist-upgrades |
| 01:42.27 | rjamison | hey guys. Im a linux beginner, Im running debian lenny. How can share a partition with another linux machine over the network? |
| 01:42.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | although the latter is perhaps a bit outdated |
| 01:42.48 | abrotman | heapify: msg? |
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| 01:42.58 | luke3321 | rjamison: you got two main choices, NFS and SAMBA |
| 01:43.22 | rjamison | luke3321: isnt sambe for sharing files with windows? |
| 01:43.41 | luke3321 | rjamison: It is, but it can be used linux to linux also |
| 01:44.05 | luke3321 | It doesnt require you to mount and directories (From what I can tell) |
| 01:44.16 | rjamison | luke3321: I'll look into NFS. Thanks |
| 01:44.24 | luke3321 | No problem |
| 01:45.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | rjamison, yes, but nfs isn't such a great protocol and ... not so nice to set up (requires portmapper and permissions for nfs and portmap), also, samba allows single users to access stuff |
| 01:45.45 | luke3321 | Such are other reasons I like samba |
| 01:46.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | rjamison, /msg dpkg nfs for some links |
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| 01:46.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, "no fucking security" is true for samba as well |
| 01:46.41 | luke3321 | true |
| 01:46.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | so that's not a major argument |
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| 01:47.04 | luke3321 | but for nonsensitive data behind a firewalled router, you are probably okay |
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| 01:47.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure... with either |
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| 01:47.39 | luke3321 | true |
| 01:47.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | samba probably has issues with soft links and stuff, though |
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| 01:47.59 | luke3321 | well that might be because it is meant to share with windows |
| 01:48.04 | moparisthebest | I stopped apache2 with the init script, which said it stopped, but it is still listening on port 80, even after I 'killall apache2', how to I fix it? |
| 01:48.11 | luke3321 | and soft links dont translate that well |
| 01:48.12 | comm | I'm trying to run taskset, and I get the following error execvp: No such file or directory |
| 01:48.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | rjamison, there's also sshfs, btw - only it's very slow on accessing new files/directories |
| 01:48.47 | abrotman | comm: tasksel ? |
| 01:48.58 | ma3x | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 01:49.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | luke3321, of course... neither vfat nor ntfs got real soft-links, so there's no reason samba should |
| 01:49.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | np |
| 01:49.22 | comm | abrotman: no taskset. |
| 01:49.29 | luke3321 | CutMeOwnThroat: Thats what im saying |
| 01:49.40 | comm | abrotman: I guess #linux would be a better venue. |
| 01:49.46 | abrotman | comm: are you using debian ? |
| 01:50.06 | abrotman | !tell comm about apt-file |
| 01:52.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | luke3321, sshfs would be the best ... if it wasn't so slow to access directory entries... and of course you have to allow root logins via ssh (if you want to mount global disks mounting things in /home on a per-user basis might work as well, though or things like /bin /usr/bin via a dummy account) |
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| 01:53.22 | comm | abrotman: thanks! |
| 01:53.28 | abrotman | comm: did you find the package? |
| 01:53.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, there's another implementation "shfs" |
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| 01:54.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, the trick is to tell people what they need, not what they want :) |
| 01:54.03 | luke3321 | CutMeOwnThroat: I agree there, sshfs is my main choice of network file access, and I just make do with the slowdowns |
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| 01:54.15 | comm | abrotman: well I didn't find the package, but I've never heard of that tool. I'm trying to set the affinity on a process using taskset |
| 01:54.39 | abrotman | comm: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search bin/taskset .. it will return util-linux |
| 01:54.56 | abrotman | or should anyways |
| 01:55.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !shfs |
| 01:55.03 | dpkg | from memory, shfs is http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 01:55.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | luke3321, did you ever hear about//try this one? |
| 01:55.45 | luke3321 | CutMeOwnThroat: Nope, but I will look into it |
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| 01:56.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | that looks interesting |
| 01:56.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | in the kernel since 2.4.10 or so |
| 01:56.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't see any trace of it, though |
| 01:57.16 | luke3321 | http://packages.debian.org/etch/shfs-utils |
| 01:57.25 | abrotman | judd: versions shfs-utils |
| 01:57.25 | judd | abrotman: shfs-utils -- etch: 0.35-6.2 |
| 01:57.38 | luke3321 | but it looks like its been removed from the reposotories past etch |
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| 01:57.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't make it into lenny |
| 01:58.03 | luke3321 | Yep |
| 01:58.16 | luke3321 | So you are on your own compiling it |
| 01:58.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why is shfs-utils not in testing |
| 01:58.25 | dpkg | shfs-utils is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=shfs-utils |
| 01:58.35 | luke3321 | But I will just to try it out |
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| 02:00.33 | Tramp | latest release from 2004, latest patch from 2006 for 2.6.16 ..... - is that really something to be recommended? |
| 02:00.58 | Tramp | and I don't see it in the kernel |
| 02:01.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | how should I know, I just found it in dpkgs factoids |
| 02:01.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it looks like it could be faster than the fuse sshfs |
| 02:01.54 | luke3321 | It supports ntfs? |
| 02:02.21 | Tramp | !factinfo shfs |
| 02:02.21 | dpkg | shfs -- last modified at Thu Jun 2 05:23:57 2005 by chealer!chealer@ip216-239-89-77.vif.net; it has been requested 51 times, last by CutMeOwnThroat, 7m 18s ago. |
| 02:02.33 | Tramp | !forget shfs |
| 02:02.33 | dpkg | i forgot shfs, Tramp |
| 02:02.39 | Tramp | I'd say. |
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| 02:03.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | now you also gotta clean up the other factoids referencing it, though :) |
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| 02:03.44 | Tramp | oh. |
| 02:04.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny |
| 02:04.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't find the removal bug |
| 02:04.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;src=shfs-utils |
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| 02:05.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, here it is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420770 |
| 02:05.58 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=449435 |
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| 02:06.59 | jetx | ajavid: wassup |
| 02:07.08 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: The only thing I found is in <sshfs> where it says "Don't confuse sshfs with shfs" - that's okay I'd say - or did you find it somewhere else? |
| 02:07.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, that's the one I found it by |
| 02:07.41 | Tramp | ah, ok. I think that's in order then. |
| 02:07.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, can take it out... |
| 02:08.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | if there is no shfs, we won't confuse it :) |
| 02:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, obviously the guy maintaining it found sshfs superior |
| 02:08.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 02:08.35 | jetx | there is no shfs |
| 02:08.39 | jetx | (sshfs) |
| 02:08.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | so perhaps it wasn't a hell lot faster |
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| 02:10.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, looked nifty *shrug* |
| 02:10.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, he left |
| 02:11.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, and be careful with that... dpkg gets cranky if you do that often |
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| 02:11.56 | Tramp | what? |
| 02:12.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | "!forget" |
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| 02:12.43 | Tramp | forget-spam-prevention? |
| 02:12.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 02:13.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's no fun if dpkg gives you the cold shoulder |
| 02:13.45 | abrotman | Tramp: roughly |
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| 02:15.07 | Tramp | so - I'd teach him the new sshfs-factoid, but would have to make him forget it first. Now y'all scared me away. |
| 02:15.10 | jetx | !love CutMeOwnThroat |
| 02:15.11 | dpkg | makes love to CutMeOwnThroat, caressing CutMeOwnThroat's hair, whispering sweet nothings in CutMeOwnThroat's ear... |
| 02:15.19 | jetx | !lart Tramp |
| 02:15.19 | dpkg | squishes Tramp like a bug |
| 02:15.33 | abrotman | Tramp: you can edit it |
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| 02:15.52 | Tramp | with s/foo/bar/ rigth? |
| 02:16.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | or with no, xxx is |
| 02:16.09 | jetx | yeah but it's weird |
| 02:16.23 | Stanlin | back!! |
| 02:16.27 | Stanlin | hibernation works!! |
| 02:16.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stanlin, well, pity winter is nearly over |
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| 02:16.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lose Stanlin |
| 02:16.55 | dpkg | Stanlin: You Lose. |
| 02:17.21 | Stanlin | CutMeOwnThroat: luckily you are a girl.... |
| 02:17.34 | abrotman | Stanlin: that's inappropriate |
| 02:17.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I am? |
| 02:17.49 | jetx | !congratulate Stanlin |
| 02:17.49 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies Stanlin, you did it! |
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| 02:18.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks down, but finds no evidence supporting the claim |
| 02:18.11 | jetx | shame the fuck factoid got neutered |
| 02:18.34 | Tramp | !no, sshfs is a FUSE-based filesystem that uses ssh. It is a nifty way to securely mount remote resources and doesn't rely on NFS or samba. Sshfs is in the package sshfs. See http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html, http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/SshfsFaq or ask me about <fuse>. (remember to modprobe fuse and add yourself to the 'fuse' group) |
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| 02:18.50 | jetx | let me guess: that's too long |
| 02:19.04 | Tramp | where's the syntax-help for the blooty bot ... |
| 02:19.06 | abrotman | Tramp: easier to do it in /msg too |
| 02:19.07 | jetx | if it is, /msg dpkg no, sshfs is ... |
| 02:19.24 | abrotman | Tramp: i got it |
| 02:19.33 | Tramp | abrotman: ah. Thought you'd have to go public to avoid spam |
| 02:19.35 | Stanlin | i have KVM, but when i open Virtual Machine Manager, the virtualization method is Greyed. Therefore I cant add or see the CD. What is wrong? |
| 02:19.41 | abrotman | Tramp: done |
| 02:19.47 | Tramp | k. tx. |
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| 02:21.28 | abrotman | added a factoid for shfs telling you to use sshfs instead |
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| 02:25.38 | Stanlin | abrotman: |
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| 02:29.25 | karsten | In a vaguely related query: anyone know how to get a Sun ILOM to actually provide a serial console, and/or how to send a break or reset via same? |
| 02:29.32 | Nappz | hey CutMeOwnThroat: YOu still here by any chance? |
| 02:29.34 | karsten | ... or know where I should be asking that? |
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| 02:30.04 | abrotman | karsten: running solaris ? |
| 02:30.17 | shadowferret | Hi. I need to change the GDAL librarie's config options to support grass GIS. In fink (os X's solution to package management) I altered a .info file. Is the approach similar in Debian Lenny? |
| 02:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nappz, no |
| 02:30.21 | jetx | what's the gotcha you need to know about why the sound borks out when you upgrade from lenny to testing |
| 02:30.25 | Nappz | Lol |
| 02:30.29 | Nappz | I don;t need helpp |
| 02:30.34 | Nappz | Just wanted to tell you |
| 02:30.40 | Nappz | I think I found what was wrong |
| 02:30.46 | jetx | !enter |
| 02:30.46 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 02:30.48 | Stanlin | Nappz: please ask your question, stop flooding |
| 02:30.55 | karsten | abrotman: No. Debian sarge. |
| 02:30.57 | Nappz | Stanlin: Sorry |
| 02:31.12 | karsten | abrotman: We're crazy, not stupid. |
| 02:31.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, so what was it? |
| 02:31.24 | abrotman | karsten: eh .. i'm not sure which is worse :) |
| 02:31.28 | Nappz | CutMeOwnThroat: I had memcachd enabled on the old installation of mediawiki and didn't install memcachd on the new OS install |
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| 02:31.32 | karsten | abrotman: Um. No, that box is RH. My bad. |
| 02:31.48 | karsten | Just trying to talk to the damned thing. Found #sun, I'll ask there. |
| 02:32.09 | abrotman | karsten: i assume you did the google thing and found the same grub parameter i did ? |
| 02:32.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nappz, still, you mush have had heavy load for such a slow reaction? (or a really lame machine?) |
| 02:32.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/mush/must/ |
| 02:33.06 | Nappz | No I don't think it was the load that was causing the slowdown, just maybe mediawiki felt like taking a while to load because it had no idea where memcachd was |
| 02:33.14 | karsten | abrotman: No. ILOM is awake ATM, I'm going through some Sun docs at http://docs.sun.com/source/820-1188-12/ |
| 02:33.40 | abrotman | oh .. so not from boot .. `eeprom console=ttya` kind of parameters |
| 02:33.43 | karsten | abrotman: ... I've yet to find an on-board / lights-out system I actually like. |
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| 02:33.54 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:34.10 | karsten | abrotman: Right. No, I'm talking to the ILOM, idiot environment that it is, just no response from the console once it comes up. |
| 02:34.23 | karsten | abrotman: IPMI is usually pretty good. That plus serial console is my usual preference. |
| 02:34.32 | abrotman | karsten: FWIW .. i was goofing with some ibm boxes, and someone had set what i thought was a power-on password .. turns out that if you removed the LO card, the password goes away |
| 02:34.33 | karsten | And GRUB is surprisingly useful, actually. |
| 02:34.46 | karsten | abrotman: LO card? |
| 02:34.59 | abrotman | lights-out card ? |
| 02:35.04 | karsten | Ah. |
| 02:35.07 | boxxertrumps | wonders why vlc tends to have a bias toward certain songs when playing a random... |
| 02:35.30 | abrotman | boxxertrumps: stock market trends |
| 02:35.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean it's depressed and therefore prefers the cure? |
| 02:35.59 | karsten | boxxertrumps: Musical taste? |
| 02:36.07 | jetx | man dio was fat |
| 02:36.10 | jmoncayo | hey guys, i have a user i want to give him the permission to edit configuration files, should i add him to the root group or what? |
| 02:36.20 | karsten | jmoncayo: sudo |
| 02:36.22 | Tramp | many people have a wrong perception of randomness |
| 02:36.24 | jetx | staff/adm maybe |
| 02:36.35 | boxxertrumps | i never considered that vlc was an economist or sentient... |
| 02:36.38 | jetx | and add perms.. or sudo but... |
| 02:37.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | noo, most stuff in /etc is drwxr-xr-x 2 root root |
| 02:37.22 | karsten | jmoncayo: if you want to allow access to specific files, maybe define a set of allowed commands. sudo can do that but it's tricky to get it right. |
| 02:37.35 | boxxertrumps | Tramp: i know that it shouldn't play every song once before repeating, but i have thousands of tracks and i hear 50 or so quite often |
| 02:37.42 | karsten | jmoncayo: Once you allow root for something, you probably have just opened up everything. |
| 02:37.47 | Tramp | there is "random drawing withoug putting back" and "with putting back". No idea, what vlc may do, but in the latter case it's bound to repeat stuff. |
| 02:37.57 | karsten | jmoncayo: Eg: you can shell out of both vim and emacs trivially. |
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| 02:38.40 | Tramp | boxxertrumps: did you make notes and verify with statistical tests that the result is unexpected? It usually is a matter of perception (playing a song you especially like/dislike) |
| 02:38.50 | Nappz | CutMeOwnThroat: lol, commented out memcached in the conf of mediawiki. Works great now.. W00t xD |
| 02:38.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmoncayo, if you have something specific in mind, make a group, put him in and chown/chmod the config files - if it's anything running as root you might as well give him root access |
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| 02:39.55 | boxxertrumps | Tramp: i really should put something together, maybe lastfm records # of times played... |
| 02:40.42 | Tramp | too verify a "random selection" is really not random (based upon some definition of randomness) is not exactly trivial. |
| 02:42.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmoncayo, /var/log/auth.log still allows you to trace who became root at what time... (of course root can edit that file) |
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| 02:43.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | boxxertrumps, I just run all songs in the playlist once, then reshuffle and run them again |
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| 02:44.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | that actually guarantees every song is played once before I start over |
| 02:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | and is still pretty random |
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| 02:44.20 | Panarchy | says Hi |
| 02:44.22 | Panarchy | How do I embed both username and password within a .VNC file? |
| 02:44.47 | comfrey | Panarchy: you gotta use vncpasswd |
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| 02:45.12 | Panarchy | No, I'd like to do it manually |
| 02:45.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | boxxertrumps, of course, that means that stuff I'd like to have played more often than others is also only played once every... month or whatever |
| 02:45.19 | Panarchy | Using gedit or whatever |
| 02:45.23 | quaal | hello |
| 02:45.26 | Panarchy | hi |
| 02:45.52 | comfrey | yeah, you gotta use a passwd file |
| 02:45.54 | Panarchy | How do I embed both username and password within a .VNC file? |
| 02:46.00 | quaal | i would like to know what other than /etc/network/interfaces is responsible for ip configuration? I edited the file to make the IP static, which made it the ip i specified for a while, but then i came back a few hours later and its using dhcp again? |
| 02:46.01 | comfrey | see man vncviewer |
| 02:46.08 | Panarchy | comfrey: How about for the username? |
| 02:46.33 | comfrey | -user username -- see man vncviewer |
| 02:46.44 | Panarchy | No, I mean manually |
| 02:46.53 | Panarchy | How do I manually enter the username into the .VNC file? |
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| 02:47.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | quaal, dhcp might have been still running... or ifup |
| 02:47.28 | quaal | oh, so i need to ifdown first |
| 02:47.32 | quaal | and not after |
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| 02:48.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think interfaces should suffice |
| 02:48.07 | boxxertrumps | hmmm, i'm looking over my lastfm library, and the tracks i notice popping up are only played a couple times more than everything else |
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| 02:49.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | quaal, I would imagine the changes just didn't make it yet.... |
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| 02:49.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | quaal, uninstall dhcp-client (whatever you have) for good measure, if in doubt |
| 02:50.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | quaal, oh yeah... that's a rather good idea as well - ifdown looks in interfaces and only brings things down that it finds in there |
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| 02:51.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !interfaces |
| 02:51.01 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 02:51.24 | magyar | anyone using testing? |
| 02:51.37 | jetx | no |
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| 02:51.53 | jetx | but what's the gotcha you need to know about why the sound borks out when you upgrade from lenny to testing |
| 02:52.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anyone use testing |
| 02:52.08 | dpkg | No, no one uses testing, not even the people who use it. |
| 02:52.30 | jetx | real men use experimental |
| 02:52.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetx, experimental is not a distribution |
| 02:52.57 | jetx | it's not, it's a way of life |
| 02:53.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's just single, strategic package that you can use to bring your system down |
| 02:53.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/age/ages/ |
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| 02:53.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... in new and unexpected ways |
| 02:54.04 | jetx | !ask |
| 02:54.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:56.11 | enouf | !breastfeed CutMeOwnThroat |
| 02:56.11 | dpkg | gives CutMeOwnThroat the left nipple |
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| 02:56.45 | enouf | how's that for new and unexpected :-P |
| 02:56.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmmm |
| 02:56.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | yummie |
| 02:57.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hope it doesn't make me fat, though |
| 02:57.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or toxic |
| 02:57.47 | enouf | fresh .. and exciting ... </close demented 80s crap-poop-shit muzac> |
| 02:58.03 | magyar | is there a way to ping fglrx drivers from testing? |
| 02:58.13 | magyar | lenny fglrx is shit |
| 02:58.14 | enouf | !pong |
| 02:58.14 | dpkg | well, pong is the best name on IRC eg. /ping pong, or *the* classic video game |
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| 02:58.28 | magyar | s/ping/pin |
| 02:58.34 | magyar | pinning |
| 02:58.37 | magyar | i guess |
| 02:58.40 | enouf | !pinning |
| 02:58.41 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 02:59.11 | enouf | paddles magyar |
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| 02:59.49 | jetx | magyar: just get the source luke |
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| 02:59.59 | jetx | and m-a away |
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| 03:00.06 | enouf | magyar: if you exclusively run Lenny, '/msg dpkg ssb' |
| 03:00.41 | enouf | though <backports> is the recommended way - but for ati drivers? i doubt it |
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| 03:01.30 | enouf | magyar: mixing stable + testing is actually worse than pinning, or backports, or ssb |
| 03:01.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | not for kernel modules, though |
| 03:02.03 | enouf | passes CutMeOwnThroat his colonel module |
| 03:02.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd say m-a'ing a kernel module from testing into stable should go ok |
| 03:02.24 | enouf | no .. it won't |
| 03:02.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | why |
| 03:02.36 | magyar | the previous version of fglrx was working fine. Now I try to launch Unreal Tournament or Ut2004 I get a scrambled display with lines all over in full screen |
| 03:02.45 | enouf | many different versions, starting with libc6 |
| 03:02.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're compiling for YOUR kernel anyway |
| 03:03.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | kernel modules don't depend on a certain libc6 |
| 03:03.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would be madness |
| 03:03.07 | magyar | i usually use module-assistant |
| 03:03.17 | enouf | really? and what does Xorg depend on?> |
| 03:03.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, perhaps they do and it IS madness |
| 03:03.26 | jetx | lenny and testing both have .26 eh |
| 03:03.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xorg is not a kernel module |
| 03:03.32 | jetx | so shouldn't be a problem |
| 03:03.46 | enouf | no shit sherlock -- let me se you run Xorg without Xorg |
| 03:03.53 | magyar | jetx: still, that sucks, I was hoping for 2.6.28 |
| 03:04.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xorg without Xorg? |
| 03:04.09 | jetx | apt-get remove --purge xorg won't do shit cept remove 1 file |
| 03:04.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | is this some kind of zen? |
| 03:04.21 | jetx | .28 should work fine also .. m-a it |
| 03:04.21 | enouf | budda .. rub my belly |
| 03:04.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | if a tree falls in the forest and nobody's there? |
| 03:04.47 | jetx | !depends xorg |
| 03:04.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | does the forester get pissed off? |
| 03:04.53 | dpkg | xorg: depends on xserver-xorg, libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libglu1-mesa, xfonts-base (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xfonts-100dpi (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xfonts-75dpi (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xfonts-scalable (>= 1:1.0.0-1), x11-apps, x11-session-utils, x11-utils, x11-xfs-utils, x11-xkb-utils, x11-xserver-utils, xauth, xinit, xfonts-utils, xkb-data, xterm | x-terminal-emulator |
| 03:04.57 | enouf | magyar: 2.6.29 is the way |
| 03:05.10 | magyar | enouf: right |
| 03:05.29 | jetx | .28 should still work though long as you have the headers |
| 03:05.40 | jetx | it disappeared it seems? |
| 03:05.48 | enouf | jetx: where is .28? |
| 03:05.57 | enouf | and why bother? |
| 03:06.01 | jetx | it was in sid for like a week |
| 03:06.07 | enouf | nah |
| 03:06.15 | jetx | if he already had it compiled is what i thought he might be saying |
| 03:06.16 | magyar | the one thing that confuses me, lenny has already built fglrx modules in the repos |
| 03:06.21 | enouf | it might have been in trunk |
| 03:06.26 | magyar | but are they 2D only? |
| 03:06.40 | jetx | you need the -glx one also iirc |
| 03:06.50 | jetx | is going to be doing ati/lenny in a bit |
| 03:06.53 | jetx | sound works |
| 03:06.53 | enouf | magyar: anything "fglrx" is going to cause you issues |
| 03:07.04 | enouf | magyar: doesn't radeon do it? |
| 03:07.08 | jetx | only 3d option for me is fglrx though |
| 03:07.18 | jetx | x300 radeon doesn't |
| 03:07.18 | magyar | enouf: you meen from the repo? |
| 03:08.02 | jmoncayo | how can i chmod 660 only for files in a dir? |
| 03:08.04 | enouf | magyar: i mean ... Xorg's radeon x5xx has great 3D support .. not sure about r3xx |
| 03:08.11 | jetx | inherited the radeon |
| 03:08.44 | enouf | !+tell jmoncayo -about using find |
| 03:08.46 | dpkg | told jmoncayo about using find. |
| 03:09.07 | gravity | r3xx is difficult because ATI never released specs |
| 03:09.09 | enouf | jmoncayo: use find ... -type f |
| 03:09.10 | gravity | Whereas for r5xx they did |
| 03:09.18 | jmoncayo | thanks |
| 03:09.20 | jmoncayo | =] |
| 03:09.20 | magyar | enouf: "fglrx-modules-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem" << what is this package? |
| 03:09.34 | enouf | gravity: righto .. it's a slow process to go in reverse ;-) |
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| 03:09.46 | enouf | magyar: i don't know |
| 03:09.54 | jmoncayo | find apache-tomcat-6 -type f -exec chmod 644 {} \; |
| 03:09.55 | jmoncayo | =] |
| 03:09.58 | enouf | it's for -bigmem kernels though |
| 03:10.00 | jmoncayo | oops |
| 03:10.04 | jmoncayo | i wanted 660 |
| 03:10.05 | jmoncayo | lol |
| 03:10.09 | magyar | radeon xtx 1950 |
| 03:10.09 | enouf | !bigmem |
| 03:10.10 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit. |
| 03:10.29 | magyar | enouf: i got 8 GB of ram |
| 03:10.44 | enouf | on i386 magyar ? |
| 03:10.49 | magyar | yeap |
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| 03:11.02 | enouf | well .. then -bigmem is for you |
| 03:11.10 | magyar | thats what i use |
| 03:11.28 | jetx | you need the kernel eh |
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| 03:11.33 | jetx | the bigmem kernel |
| 03:11.54 | magyar | hmmmm. fudge |
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| 03:12.30 | enouf | magyar: either upgrade or downgrade your video card ;-) |
| 03:12.37 | magyar | i'll try getting another version of fglrx, altough I read that starting from 2.6.28 the ATI support is better in the kernel |
| 03:12.45 | jetx | nvidia baybee |
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| 03:12.56 | jetx | damn i hate typing on the wrong keyboard |
| 03:12.58 | magyar | enouf: 1950 is an older card |
| 03:13.09 | enouf | nvidia and ati and intel all suck ass |
| 03:13.09 | magyar | nvidia is crap |
| 03:13.20 | jetx | 3dfx ftw |
| 03:13.26 | jetx | voodoo |
| 03:13.30 | magyar | no video |
| 03:13.31 | enouf | heh |
| 03:13.47 | jetx | tty and ascii is all you need |
| 03:13.52 | magyar | output to a tape |
| 03:14.48 | enouf | magyar: is your card AGP or PCIe? if AGP the up to radeon 9550 should work nicely , IINM |
| 03:14.56 | magyar | i can't even release my stress with some FPS murder |
| 03:15.04 | magyar | PCIe |
| 03:15.12 | enouf | magyar: use windows |
| 03:15.21 | jetx | hey i finally did the nvidia m-a way |
| 03:15.32 | jetx | it actually worked np |
| 03:15.42 | jetx | is happy |
| 03:15.54 | magyar | enouf: to lazy to reboot |
| 03:15.55 | jetx | no nvidia logo though :/ |
| 03:16.07 | jetx | too lazy to type too to... |
| 03:16.15 | jetx | err |
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| 03:16.22 | jetx | s/to.../too.../ |
| 03:17.09 | jetx | he sells dildoes? |
| 03:17.16 | enouf | great .. i can play EUOS 2003 Soccer via installing Directx 8.1 on a win98 p2 350MHz nvidia TNT2 Pro 32MB AGP ... great |
| 03:17.29 | enouf | wonderful |
| 03:17.38 | enouf | you piece of fucken crap |
| 03:18.28 | magyar | g'night |
| 03:18.29 | enouf | Girardi is "tossed" abrotman :-P |
| 03:18.32 | magyar | am off |
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| 03:19.47 | enouf | Damon hits Homer .. heh |
| 03:20.24 | enouf | Tishera hits a home run .... 4-3 boston |
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| 03:21.08 | enouf | bottom of the 5th ... |
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| 03:32.04 | jello | when did this become #yanks?? not that i mind... |
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| 03:36.36 | edblanket | Hey. I've been trying to update my sources.list in lenny and keep getting this message. I've run apt-get update, am I missing something? : Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/72.51.51.4_debian_dists_stable_main_source_Sources |
| 03:37.46 | maxagaz | how to reset environment variable after having changed /etc/environment ? |
| 03:40.03 | jello | maxagaz: source /etc/environment |
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| 03:40.19 | maxagaz | jello, thanks |
| 03:40.39 | jello | edblanket: does the file exist? |
| 03:40.44 | maxagaz | jello, how to reload it for all users ? |
| 03:40.59 | jello | maxagaz: it gets read at login by .profile, iirc |
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| 03:41.28 | jello | or maybe it's pam... |
| 03:41.37 | edblanket | jello: Its does not. I've been looking around for awhile and have had the same issue trying to add different sources to my sources.list file. This time I used netstat-apt |
| 03:42.07 | rjamison | Im about to compile a custom linux kernel, and since Im going to be building only the modules that Im gonna be needing, is it safe to just delete ALL the modules under '/lib/modules/"??? |
| 03:42.10 | jello | maxagaz: yeah, it's pam... see /etc/pam.d/login |
| 03:42.21 | edblanket | jello: For whatever reason my sources.list did not come with src-deb entries.. |
| 03:42.27 | jello | rjamison: what if you have to revert... |
| 03:42.44 | jello | edblanket: post your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:42.45 | maxagaz | jello, ok, thanks |
| 03:42.46 | rjamison | jello: I see what u r saying |
| 03:43.08 | jello | rjamison: make sure the new one works first... |
| 03:44.00 | rjamison | jello: but if I revert to the older kernel that loads the modules that no longer exist, wouldnt that just be ok? |
| 03:44.16 | jello | rjamison: not if you need those modules |
| 03:44.19 | rjamison | they just wont get loaded |
| 03:44.29 | jello | depends on the modules |
| 03:44.34 | rjamison | true |
| 03:45.02 | jello | rjamison: are you THAT pressed for space?? |
| 03:45.04 | edblanket | jello: ec2-67-202-43-102.compute-1.amazonaws.com |
| 03:45.13 | jello | what's that? |
| 03:45.20 | rjamison | how can I specify a different destination for the new modules to avoid over writing the original ones? |
| 03:45.29 | rjamison | overwriting* |
| 03:45.36 | edblanket | jello: lol that looks silly |
| 03:45.50 | jello | rjamison: EXTRAVERS |
| 03:46.32 | rjamison | ok |
| 03:47.10 | jello | !tell edblanket about pastebin |
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| 03:48.14 | edblanket | jello: http://paste.debian.net/35266/ |
| 03:48.45 | jello | so you DO have deb-src line |
| 03:49.15 | jello | edblanket: how's the free space on /var? |
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| 03:50.05 | edblanket | jello: looks fine |
| 03:50.38 | jello | okay, paste the complete output from running apt-get update |
| 03:50.38 | edblanket | jello: Yes I have been trying different deb-src mirros via various methods |
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| 03:51.42 | edblanket | jello: http://paste.debian.net/35267/ |
| 03:52.05 | jello | okay, bad mirror |
| 03:52.08 | edblanket | jello: Which is odd as this was chosen as the "best" mirror by netstat-apt |
| 03:52.12 | jello | you're getting HTTP 403 errors |
| 03:52.33 | jello | edblanket: where are you located? |
| 03:52.38 | edblanket | jello: NC USA |
| 03:52.39 | jello | s/you/your server/ |
| 03:52.58 | edblanket | jello: The server is located on "the east coast" |
| 03:53.21 | jello | it's not part of the http.us group... |
| 03:53.28 | jello | just use http.us.debian.org |
| 03:53.32 | edblanket | jello: What's odd is the other mirrors I have tried also failed, but without 403's |
| 03:53.55 | jello | edblanket: i use 35.9.37.225 |
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| 03:54.13 | jello | or 64.50.236.52 |
| 03:54.35 | jello | i find one or the other is fast enough |
| 03:54.49 | edblanket | msu? |
| 03:54.57 | rjamison | r there any disadvantages to using unpatched kernel sources? |
| 03:55.38 | jello | you lose the distributor tweaks (such as they are...) |
| 03:55.47 | jello | edblanket: yeah, 64... is msu |
| 03:55.51 | rjamison | oh thats all? |
| 03:56.04 | jello | you get to build your on initrd |
| 03:56.09 | jello | other fun stuff |
| 03:56.20 | jello | prefers the stock debian kernels |
| 03:56.27 | edblanket | jello: other is NY.. Ok I'll give it a try |
| 03:56.33 | jello | unless there's a good reason not to |
| 03:57.02 | jello | edblanket: i'm in nyc, so it's very fast for me |
| 03:57.58 | jello | er, i take that back |
| 03:58.15 | jello | msu is fast for me... go figure! |
| 03:59.14 | edblanket | jello: Still having some issues, where did you find your mirros? |
| 03:59.41 | jello | edblanket: getent hosts ftp.us.debian.org |
| 03:59.43 | edblanket | jello: Oh no shit it managed to get the source gdal-bin |
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| 04:00.04 | jello | heh |
| 04:00.23 | edblanket | jello: word, tahnks |
| 04:00.44 | rjamison | jello: one more Q, is it possible to 'transfer' the compiled kernel and modules to another machine and 'drop' them in instead of using that machine to build everything? |
| 04:00.45 | jello | edblanket: does that include all the GIS data? |
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| 04:00.55 | jello | rjamison: yes |
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| 04:01.03 | edblanket | jello: Nah that's the what I need to compile with grass support |
| 04:01.12 | jello | rjamison: we call it packaging... |
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| 04:01.30 | edblanket | jello: Speaking of which, do packages have a .info file? That's where I reconfigured under os x's fink package management. |
| 04:01.31 | rjamison | packaging. Interesting |
| 04:01.57 | jello | edblanket: .info file?? oh, the documentation? |
| 04:02.12 | jello | rjamison: apt-cache show kernel-package |
| 04:02.14 | edblanket | jello: No, the ./configure options for the package, I need to alter a few lines |
| 04:02.23 | jello | edblanket: ./configure --help |
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| 04:02.49 | jello | edblanket: wait you're just rebuilding something already packaged? |
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| 04:03.17 | edblanket | jello: Right. If its possible. Was under fink (which is a derived from apt) |
| 04:03.37 | jello | edblanket: just edit the debian/rules file |
| 04:03.58 | edblanket | jello: Now that I have the source, where is it located? |
| 04:04.07 | edblanket | jello: Or did I need the source to begin with? |
| 04:04.10 | jello | edblanket: how did you get hte source? |
| 04:04.22 | edblanket | jello: apt-get source gdal-bin :) |
| 04:04.25 | jello | good |
| 04:04.29 | edblanket | jello: as to my earlier question |
| 04:04.34 | jello | so, it should be unpacked for you |
| 04:04.39 | edblanket | jello: trying to stay pure packaged |
| 04:04.46 | jello | the should be a debian/rules file in it |
| 04:04.57 | edblanket | jello: Where do the raw packages get dumped? |
| 04:05.00 | jello | just edit as needed |
| 04:05.04 | edblanket | jello: perfect |
| 04:05.07 | jetx | //usr/src probably |
| 04:05.13 | jello | edblanket: current directory |
| 04:05.25 | rjamison | so if the target hardware is known, its possible to build the kernel and copy the needed modules with that kernel to the target ,achine? |
| 04:05.40 | edblanket | jello: Ok great, thanks! |
| 04:05.43 | jello | rjamison: yes, and k-p will put in all into a .deb package for you |
| 04:05.43 | rjamison | and that can be done on any machine? |
| 04:05.57 | rjamison | wonderful |
| 04:06.00 | jello | edblanket: make sure you install all the build-deps (apt-get build-dep gdal) |
| 04:06.20 | edblanket | jello: I better remove the gdal binary as well? |
| 04:06.50 | jello | edblanket: increment the changelog so your build is considered an upgrade |
| 04:07.29 | edblanket | jello: So an apt-get install will just compile the package I have altered? |
| 04:07.38 | rjamison | jello: whats k-p? |
| 04:07.50 | rjamison | is that the name of the app? |
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| 04:07.55 | jello | edblanket: debuild (in the devscripts pkg i believe) |
| 04:08.00 | jello | rjamison: kernel-package |
| 04:08.05 | rjamison | oh ok |
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| 04:08.45 | edblanket | Man they exclude all this great stuff.. grass, mrSid.. |
| 04:08.55 | edblanket | jpeg2000... |
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| 04:09.14 | rjamison | is there a more generic package (rather than .deb) for the kernel and modules? |
| 04:09.27 | rjamison | a packaging tool I mean |
| 04:09.30 | jello | edblanket: no doubt there are reasons... |
| 04:09.51 | jello | rjamison: eh? .deb is the file format for debian(-based) linux systems |
| 04:09.53 | edblanket | jello: :) Hey I wasn't clear about your debuild suggestion |
| 04:10.09 | jetx | .bz2 |
| 04:10.11 | jello | edblanket: just run debuild to rebuild the package |
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| 04:10.12 | rjamison | but what if the target machine wasnt debian-based? |
| 04:10.13 | MOOO | http://www.marie-gets-deflowered.com/?id=43bd20c2 |
| 04:10.13 | edblanket | jello: So I'll grab the depends, update the changelog, and then? |
| 04:10.23 | edblanket | jello: Hmm why debuild to rebuild? |
| 04:10.24 | jello | rjamison: then don't use k-p |
| 04:10.44 | jello | edblanket: debuild makes binary packages (.deb) from a source tree |
| 04:10.47 | rjamison | yes, is there another tool to package that that u know of? |
| 04:11.02 | jello | depends on the target machine |
| 04:11.22 | jetx | m-a ? |
| 04:11.28 | rjamison | oh, so its simple compressing?? |
| 04:11.38 | jello | jetx: that's for building modules on a debian system |
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| 04:11.52 | jello | rjamison: no, there's scripting and such around it, but it assumes a debian OS |
| 04:11.56 | jetx | it doesn't make .deb's of them though eh |
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| 04:12.05 | jello | jetx: yes it does |
| 04:12.20 | jello | edblanket: make sense now? |
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| 04:13.08 | edblanket | jello: yes grabbing the devscritps |
| 04:13.22 | edblanket | jello: after building the package how do I point apt to it? |
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| 04:13.49 | jetx | dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 04:13.49 | dpkg | removes a speen from jetx and replaces it with blah.deb |
| 04:13.51 | jello | edblanket: don't need apt, just dpkg -i gdal-bin*.deb |
| 04:14.21 | edblanket | jello: k, working on it now :) |
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| 04:14.59 | jello | apt is for figuring out which packages to install and then fetching them, dpkg actually installs/removes/etc... the packages on the system |
| 04:15.29 | rjamison | so to sum up, a compiler kernel and the necessary modules can be compiled, packaged (compressed) and copied to the target machine where an 'installation shell script would uncompress and copy the files where they belong. Would you say that that is a good way of doing it??? |
| 04:15.37 | jello | edblanket: you should read the debref |
| 04:15.43 | rjamison | a compiled kernel* |
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| 04:16.14 | edblanket | jello: I agree :) happy to be back on it after so long. Working on a GIS cloud proc unit |
| 04:16.16 | jello | sounds okay to me, but you never answered my question |
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| 04:16.35 | jello | !tell edblanket about debref |
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| 04:16.55 | FFForever | how much is different from ubuntu server & debian? |
| 04:16.55 | edblanket | jello: Thanks |
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| 04:17.34 | jello | FFForever: they're different enough, anything specific you need to know? |
| 04:17.48 | rjamison | jello: so to sum up, a kernel and the necessary modules can be compiled, packaged (compressed) and copied to the target machine where an 'installation shell script would uncompress and copy the files where they belong. Would you say that that is a good way of doing it??? |
| 04:17.54 | FFForever | jello, performance and configuration |
| 04:18.31 | rjamison | jello: u r the man tonight clearly [smile] |
| 04:18.33 | jello | FFForever: presumably Ubuntu does extra config & testing... but i couldn't vouch for it |
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| 04:18.51 | FFForever | jello but overall they should be the same right? |
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| 04:19.12 | jello | FFForever: more or less, some versions of certain packages may be different though |
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| 04:19.21 | jello | depending on when each was released |
| 04:19.33 | FFForever | jello, how long will etch be supported? |
| 04:19.40 | d-b | FFForever: note: apt-get dist-upgrade is not supported in ubuntu. |
| 04:19.41 | FFForever | i mean lenny |
| 04:19.41 | jetx | ubuntu chooses for you.. also ubuntu is sid based, you would want a lenny server |
| 04:19.57 | FFForever | sid based? |
| 04:20.01 | FFForever | session id? |
| 04:20.06 | jello | FFForever: iirc, a year after squeeze is released... |
| 04:20.08 | d-b | FFForever: debian unstable. |
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| 04:20.32 | FFForever | lenny is stable right? |
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| 04:20.36 | jello | or maybe 18 months, i forget, giyf |
| 04:20.39 | jello | FFForever: yes |
| 04:20.42 | d-b | FFForever: there are 3 streams of debian: stable |testing (squeeze) | sid (unstable) |
| 04:20.43 | jetx | yes |
| 04:20.45 | jello | for now... |
| 04:21.19 | d-b | FFForever: debian has a release policy, which is not based on fixed time releases. |
| 04:21.32 | FFForever | Ahhh |
| 04:21.39 | jetx | however, it is a lot more lax (woody rulez) |
| 04:22.12 | ajavid | yo |
| 04:22.16 | d-b | FFForever: ubuntu has some 'security additions' . + depends on where you are using it. you might want to go with ubuntu. |
| 04:22.17 | jetx | hey there you are |
| 04:22.21 | ajavid | hi |
| 04:22.42 | jello | FFForever: read section 2.1 of the debref |
| 04:22.46 | FFForever | d-b, i am planning on using this as a web/svn server :D |
| 04:22.46 | FFForever | kk |
| 04:22.50 | jello | !great ajavid |
| 04:22.53 | jello | !greet ajavid |
| 04:22.54 | dpkg | Moo, ajavid |
| 04:23.00 | d-b | FFForever: doesn't really matter. pick either patform. personally id use git |
| 04:23.31 | d-b | svn is old ^^ |
| 04:23.48 | FFForever | d-b, how is the memory footprint? |
| 04:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | !moo |
| 04:23.57 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 04:23.59 | jello | hmm, it's out of date... |
| 04:23.59 | d-b | of git ? |
| 04:24.13 | d-b | or debian stable. |
| 04:24.15 | FFForever | d-b, yeah |
| 04:24.17 | FFForever | git |
| 04:24.24 | d-b | http://git-scm.com/ |
| 04:24.32 | d-b | !git |
| 04:24.32 | dpkg | well, git is a version control system created by Linus Torvalds, currently used to maintain the Linux kernel. http://git-scm.com/ Install the 'git-core' package to provide. http://cworth.org/hgbook-git/tour #git on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:24.52 | FFForever | d-b, btw how much ram does debian use? |
| 04:24.58 | FFForever | (on a core install) |
| 04:25.24 | d-b | FFForever: not much. if you are using it for a server (tasks) |
| 04:25.33 | d-b | the kernel should cache a lot ^^ |
| 04:25.51 | paulell | i did a minimal install and it used 17mb in a virtual machine |
| 04:25.56 | FFForever | i am getting a vps, i am thinking 128mb is enough for a low traffic lamp |
| 04:26.09 | FFForever | i mean 256* |
| 04:26.10 | jetx | 128 gets used up quick |
| 04:26.17 | d-b | 256 is fine. probably. |
| 04:26.23 | d-b | depends on hits... |
| 04:26.51 | jello | FFForever: if you can use lighttpd instead of apache, that will help |
| 04:27.06 | jetx | 128 gets used up quick w/o the lamp |
| 04:27.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | mind, linux always uses all RAM |
| 04:27.39 | jetx | i run out of 128 |
| 04:27.49 | jetx | just me and my bot |
| 04:27.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | so does my laptop, iirc |
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| 04:28.14 | jello | bah, i have an etch system running with 64M RAM |
| 04:28.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | and really, the biggest memory hogs are X and FF |
| 04:28.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | or perhaps X when it's running FF |
| 04:28.39 | FFForever | jello, i planed on lighttpd :D |
| 04:28.43 | jello | it runs lighttpd, dovecot, squirrelmail, postfix, and a bunch of other services |
| 04:29.02 | FFForever | jello, how come apache is a dependency of php5? |
| 04:29.19 | jello | FFForever: it's not, it's just the default in the alternative |
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| 04:29.56 | FFForever | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/php5 |
| 04:30.03 | FFForever | * |
| 04:30.03 | FFForever | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.03 | FFForever | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 04:30.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3) | libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3) | php5-cgi (>= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3), php5-common (>= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3) |
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| 04:30.28 | jello | FFForever: php5-cgi |
| 04:30.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | | == or |
| 04:30.32 | owen1 | how speedup the time it takes to display a character when I hold a key for a few seconds (with a terminal)? |
| 04:30.42 | FFForever | so i install php5-cgi and not just php5? |
| 04:30.46 | jello | owen1: repeat-rate |
| 04:30.53 | jello | FFForever: install -cgi first |
| 04:31.02 | FFForever | cool |
| 04:31.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, man xset, search for ^ *r |
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| 04:31.32 | jetx | why 'xset' |
| 04:31.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, not sure if xset can do it |
| 04:32.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetx, because that's what I use? |
| 04:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | what else? |
| 04:32.19 | jello | setterm does it for console, iirc |
| 04:32.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, true... unprecise question |
| 04:32.53 | jetx | yeh i was confuggling term and console |
| 04:33.06 | jetx | ass-umed console |
| 04:33.17 | jello | okay, last call... |
| 04:33.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, he said "with a terminal"... which probably does mean console, not xterm :) |
| 04:33.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | although xterm *is* a (pseudo-)terminal |
| 04:33.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 04:33.44 | jetx | !slap owen1 |
| 04:33.44 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across owen1's face |
| 04:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !slap me |
| 04:33.53 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across cutmeownthroat's face |
| 04:33.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ouch |
| 04:34.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o O ( at least I'm awake again) |
| 04:34.12 | jello | g'night all... |
| 04:34.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite jello |
| 04:34.28 | jetx | !slap CutMeOwnThroat's throat |
| 04:34.29 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across CutMeOwnThroat's throat's face |
| 04:34.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh! |
| 04:34.37 | jetx | gah |
| 04:34.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !gentoosmite jetx |
| 04:34.49 | dpkg | spends 5 days recompiling jetx, and when it's all done, jetx runs 0.6% faster than previously |
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| 04:36.09 | jetx | hey kash, you are a dildoe broker? |
| 04:36.45 | jetx | bulk dildoes |
| 04:37.02 | jetx | bulk *used* dildoes |
| 04:38.31 | jmoncayo | anyone here has used teamspeak? |
| 04:38.35 | jetx | recycled non-reuseable dildoes |
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| 04:39.24 | Melon01 | ajajajaj |
| 04:39.30 | Melon01 | eh |
| 04:39.39 | jetx | see, Melon01 thinks it's funny... |
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| 04:39.49 | Melon01 | yeah |
| 04:39.51 | Melon01 | and? |
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| 04:40.20 | jetx | so you want to buy futures on recycled one-use dildoes? |
| 04:40.34 | Melon01 | sorry im american |
| 04:40.37 | Melon01 | latin american |
| 04:40.37 | jmoncayo | how can i use teamspeak under debian |
| 04:41.01 | jetx | jmoncayo: the package is in contrib or non-free, but i forget the name |
| 04:41.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-get install teamspeak-client"? |
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| 04:41.08 | jetx | iirc |
| 04:41.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | non-free |
| 04:41.36 | Melon01 | spanish please |
| 04:41.49 | jmoncayo | jetx: i have the package but i cant use it, not speakers or mic enabled |
| 04:41.56 | jetx | venga #debian-es |
| 04:42.00 | jmoncayo | vamos |
| 04:42.01 | jetx | !es |
| 04:42.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:42.01 | jmoncayo | :) |
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| 04:42.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !alsa checklist |
| 04:42.10 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 04:42.11 | jetx | my spanish sucks |
| 04:42.20 | jetx | no idea jmoncayo |
| 04:42.20 | Melon01 | not |
| 04:42.25 | jmoncayo | i heard something baout iali32 or something like that |
| 04:42.30 | Melon01 | better your learn spanish |
| 04:42.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmoncayo, ^^^ |
| 04:42.44 | jetx | no quiero |
| 04:42.46 | Melon01 | ja |
| 04:43.01 | Melon01 | i dont like the ingles |
| 04:43.03 | jmoncayo | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 04:43.04 | jmoncayo | :) |
| 04:43.06 | Melon01 | xD! |
| 04:43.12 | jetx | y yo, quiero russian |
| 04:43.15 | jmoncayo | a mi me da igual |
| 04:43.21 | Melon01 | lo q sea |
| 04:43.21 | jmoncayo | yo tambien quiero aprender ruso |
| 04:43.22 | jmoncayo | :) |
| 04:43.28 | Melon01 | yo quiero aprender aleman |
| 04:43.29 | Melon01 | ! |
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| 04:44.03 | jetx | too late, the recycled oneuse dildoe broker has left the building |
| 04:44.11 | Melon01 | ok |
| 04:44.14 | Melon01 | im going |
| 04:44.16 | Melon01 | im bored |
| 04:44.22 | Melon01 | aboredrrido |
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| 04:44.41 | jetx | jak se mas |
| 04:44.43 | jmoncayo | !seen dusted |
| 04:44.43 | dpkg | dusted <n=DST@77.68.146.169> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5d 4h 19m 49s ago, saying: 'sry,I'm drunk, I should have kicked myself offile long ago :D'. |
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| 04:51.56 | edblanket | jello: What shall I alter in the changelog |
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| 04:52.56 | jetx | shhhhh |
| 04:53.16 | jetx | jello died |
| 04:53.43 | thirdwheel_ | !seen jello |
| 04:53.43 | dpkg | jello <n=joe@debian/developer/jello> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 19m 31s ago, saying: 'g'night all...'. |
| 04:56.58 | J-_ | I'm trying to setup my server with freedns.afraid.org, and ddclient. Does anyone know what protocol freedns.afraid.org uses? |
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| 04:57.32 | ajavid | any porn blocking/filtering via some software in debian? |
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| 04:58.28 | ajavid | !porn |
| 04:58.28 | dpkg | well, porn is ...well.... ask me about <pr0n> or `apt-get install pornview` to find it on your hdd |
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| 05:01.34 | jmoncayo | !ia32 |
| 05:01.35 | dpkg | i heard ia32 is a synonym for i386 (x86). In other words, if you don't know, this is what you have. |
| 05:03.01 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry. i am back |
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| 05:04.03 | owen1 | i use xterm, but the repeat-rate affect all the apps i use. |
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| 05:06.04 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: what does repeat-rate means? is it a package? |
| 05:06.29 | thirdwheel_ | !pr0n |
| 05:06.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pr0n is at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu, or http://www.pornolize.com/pornolize4?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debian.org&submit=Translate, or see pr0n.sf.net |
| 05:07.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the dyndns one is (of course) dead |
| 05:07.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, dunno, I didn't say that |
| 05:07.23 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: that's true |
| 05:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, it's just what the thing you described is called |
| 05:08.33 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: got it. i'll try to google for it. |
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| 05:09.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, and <jello> setterm does it for console, iirc |
| 05:09.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | if terminal == console |
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| 05:10.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that also only seems to switch it on/off, though |
| 05:10.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO-17.html |
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| 05:10.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ----> kbdrate |
| 05:11.07 | teratoma | how can i make and boot all of my partitions, including /boot, on LVM, during cdrom boot process ? |
| 05:11.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | (in package kbd) |
| 05:11.49 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't use console terminal. i use xterm |
| 05:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | aaah |
| 05:12.26 | hawk_ | anyone know how to disable the tool bar ballons ? |
| 05:12.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | teratoma, I don't think you can have /boot on an lvm easily... |
| 05:13.03 | teratoma | redhat/centos can ! |
| 05:13.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | teratoma, /msg dpkg lvm for some HOWTOs |
| 05:13.18 | teratoma | yeah i tried it, i have just blown 3 hours trying to make it work |
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| 05:13.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see how they would |
| 05:13.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:14.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/with/within/ |
| 05:14.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see how lvm should accomplish that |
| 05:14.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, well, then what I said above |
| 05:14.21 | teratoma | in the centos/redhat installer, you can easily install everything on 2 disks and software raid |
| 05:15.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 05:15.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/ |
| 05:15.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2. Create 20MB /boot filesystem/partition at the start of the disk |
| 05:15.47 | teratoma | that is all using lilo |
| 05:15.50 | teratoma | should i be scared ? |
| 05:15.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course |
| 05:16.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | shows his 2cm teeth |
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| 05:16.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing wrong with lilo |
| 05:16.59 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: xset? |
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| 05:17.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, well, see if it does what you want |
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| 05:17.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | "man xset[return]/repeat" |
| 05:17.58 | jmoncayo | i cant seem to find the configuration for teamspeak :( |
| 05:18.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | does the client need any? |
| 05:18.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didn't mention you wanted to run a server |
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| 05:18.50 | jmoncayo | i think i am missing something since everytime i connect the speakers and mic are muted |
| 05:18.59 | jmoncayo | the client sorry |
| 05:20.24 | jmoncayo | !seen dusted |
| 05:20.24 | dpkg | dusted <n=DST@77.68.146.169> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5d 4h 55m 30s ago, saying: 'sry,I'm drunk, I should have kicked myself offile long ago :D'. |
| 05:21.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 05:21.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmoncayo, are you running other things that use sound? |
| 05:21.27 | jmoncayo | hmm.. xmms2 |
| 05:21.32 | jmoncayo | pidgin |
| 05:21.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's using oss |
| 05:21.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.46 | jmoncayo | yes |
| 05:21.57 | teratoma | i guess the solution to my problem is 'use hardware raid' |
| 05:22.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | most drivers can't handle more than one sound app on oss |
| 05:22.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | most? many? some? |
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| 05:22.32 | jmoncayo | what should my solution be? |
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| 05:23.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | running "aoss teamspeak" might help to force it to use alsa |
| 05:23.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | how do you test it? |
| 05:23.27 | jmoncayo | from menu |
| 05:23.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | my one works |
| 05:23.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | only sound quality sucks |
| 05:23.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I had to blow up output volume a lot |
| 05:24.12 | jmoncayo | aoss is a command or what? |
| 05:24.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, a wrapper |
| 05:24.27 | jmoncayo | i dont have aoss where can i get it |
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| 05:24.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-file |
| 05:24.44 | dpkg | [apt-file] a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
| 05:24.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in the alsa-oss package |
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| 05:25.53 | jmoncayo | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks a lot |
| 05:26.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | does it work? |
| 05:26.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess my microphone sucks dishwater |
| 05:26.52 | jmoncayo | ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/$LIB/libaoss.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
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| 05:28.30 | paulfm | Hey everyone |
| 05:28.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | smells as if you're mixing |
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| 05:28.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of debian are you running? |
| 05:28.50 | jmoncayo | CutMeOwnThroat: i have alsamixer |
| 05:28.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, no |
| 05:29.02 | paulfm | Can someone please explain how Debian names devices... |
| 05:29.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean mixing distributions |
| 05:29.46 | jmoncayo | ohh no |
| 05:29.47 | jmoncayo | lol |
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| 05:29.53 | jmoncayo | i exported $lib |
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| 05:30.00 | jmoncayo | to lib |
| 05:30.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 05:30.03 | paulfm | Specifically... I have 3 mini pcs - all the same, and I have Etch on a flash card... and in etch mini-pc I get a different net device name.. ie eth0 eth1 and eth2.. but the software (and the hardware) is identical |
| 05:30.13 | jmoncayo | where the lib its found but it doesnt work |
| 05:30.55 | paulfm | if anyone can throw some wisdom my way I'd love to learn |
| 05:31.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | paulfm, udev stores the device IDs or macs or something, so each network device will become the same devicename after reboots if you have several ones |
| 05:31.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | it does take some time to type! |
| 05:31.16 | cahoot | paulfm: try /msg dpkg z25 |
| 05:31.39 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks... |
| 05:31.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's of course shorter - and faster if one remembers the right factoidname immediately |
| 05:32.36 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: But howcome even using the same boot disk on 3 identical machines.. I get a diff name on each?...does eth2 mean eth1 & 2 exist?... whi owuld a machine with 1 nic be using eth2? |
| 05:32.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | paulfm, exactly because of that |
| 05:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | mac addresses are meant to be unique |
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| 05:33.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and so they're *not* identical |
| 05:33.30 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: but none of them are online at the same time... and yes youre right - their macs are unique |
| 05:33.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !z25 |
| 05:33.41 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
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| 05:34.48 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: so are you telling me that as the boot disk goes from 1 machine to the next, udev sees that eth0 was used.. so then it used eth1 and so on |
| 05:35.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
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| 05:35.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | it sees it's a different ethernet card |
| 05:35.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | just edit that file |
| 05:35.58 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: aha... I think Im getting it... so tell me this... if I was to have a master HD that I was going to clone... what dev would you use? |
| 05:36.07 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: what device name? |
| 05:36.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | none |
| 05:36.34 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: But I need to set interfaces with auto bring up a device |
| 05:37.01 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: like iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 05:37.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but you don't need persistent udev rules for a single ethernet card |
| 05:37.59 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: so in my clone master I need to clear out the udev cache?... so all new clones would get eth0? |
| 05:38.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I t hink |
| 05:38.27 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you so much.. this really helps... Ill see what I can learn about udev |
| 05:39.03 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: Linux: just when you think you know something... you know something - 1 |
| 05:39.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny, I have two eth0 in there, one eth1 and one eth2 |
| 05:39.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | now how on earth did that happen |
| 05:39.28 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: huh... 2 eth0? |
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| 05:40.19 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe some kind of aliasing? |
| 05:40.19 | paulfm | â¢dont know what Im talking about*' |
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| 05:40.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | paulfm, you can also "/msg dpkg forcedeth mac" - from that it seems obvious you can also use wildcards in the mac string |
| 05:40.46 | jmoncayo | how can i unpack the .deb |
| 05:40.52 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: cool checking it.. |
| 05:40.53 | paulfm | msg dpkg forcedeth mac |
| 05:40.57 | paulfm | oops |
| 05:40.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmoncayo, "unp" :) |
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| 05:41.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmoncayo, but it's ... ar, really |
| 05:41.44 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: I think you nailed it! |
| 05:41.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmoncayo, "man deb" might help |
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| 05:43.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | paulfm, removing it in a way that the script thinks it's pristine might be best for cloning... depending on your exact setup |
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| 05:44.13 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah... reading udev man. |
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| 05:45.08 | amitz | my wireless connection always lag while I'm downloading lots of data via bluetooth -> phone modem. Is it a common phenomenon? Is there anyway to maybe prioritize the wifi? |
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| 05:46.12 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: Do you know what allow-hotplug does in interfaces? |
| 05:47.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the obvious... |
| 05:47.06 | edblanket | has anyone ever seen this? : gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available |
| 05:47.15 | edblanket | Trying to compile a package.. |
| 05:47.18 | amitz | paulfm: when you plug the cable, the interface will be up. |
| 05:47.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | starts up dhcp and stuff when you plug in the wire into the ethernet |
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| 05:48.26 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: well... aha... thanks.. indeed. I was thinking hot-swap.. and I tohugh... well Ive never needed to hotswap a nic |
| 05:48.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | edblanket, well... you're not the maintainer for that package... |
| 05:48.37 | jmarsden | edblanket: The Changelog has someone else's name and email in it? Either put yours in there, or do debuild -us -uc to not sign the resulting package. |
| 05:48.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 05:48.47 | edblanket | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah was just reading up on it.. If that part fails I might be ok? |
| 05:48.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure |
| 05:49.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | edblanket, if you're only using the package yourself there is no point in signing it anyway |
| 05:49.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | EXCEPT if you don't trust yourself to be you |
| 05:49.38 | edblanket | CutMeOwnThroat: Hmm... Not maybe |
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| 05:49.51 | edblanket | CutMeOwnThroat: Do you think the package debuild made can be used? |
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| 05:50.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | if that's your only error, sure |
| 05:50.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, debuild? |
| 05:51.02 | edblanket | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm, looks like dpkg had no issues... |
| 05:51.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg-buildpackage should be enough for home-use |
| 05:51.29 | edblanket | CutMeOwnThroat: Ok |
| 05:51.38 | edblanket | CutMeOwnThroat: Going off a rec :) |
| 05:51.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | (debuild does the additional stuff - like signing the package) |
| 05:52.16 | Manoj | dpkg-buildpackage also signs the packages |
| 05:52.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, just read it |
| 05:52.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | but debuild takes over if you run that |
| 05:53.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure how useful the use of lintian on the changlog is for a self-made non-public package either, though |
| 05:54.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably doesn't hurt |
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| 05:55.02 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: kbdrate is the command i need but the minimum is 250 milisecond, and that what i have now. weird.. |
| 05:55.06 | edblanket | Argg! Grass still doesn't have GDAl |
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| 05:55.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Manoj, any opinion which is more convenient to use for a self-made package? |
| 05:55.52 | Manoj | CutMeOwnThroat: lintian can also point to real problems with even a home grown package |
| 05:56.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, xset does it for xterms, kbdrate is for console |
| 05:56.53 | Manoj | well, I am not sure. I, of course, rarely use either; but even debuild is just a wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage |
| 05:57.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah :) |
| 05:57.09 | Manoj | it jsut depends on whether you like the extra stuff the wrapper provides or not |
| 05:57.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've only ever used dpkg-buildpackage |
| 05:57.27 | Manoj | which is fine |
| 05:57.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
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| 05:57.58 | Wyzard | paulfm: During startup, synthetic hotplug events are generated for the hardware already present in the system, to make udev examine the devices and load drivers |
| 05:58.08 | Manoj | but if you build a bunch of packages, and they have large sets of build dependencies, using pbuilder or qemubuilder ensures that the build dependencies do not mess up your development box |
| 05:58.20 | Wyzard | paulfm: "allow-hotplug" in the interfaces file means to bring the interface up when udev detects it |
| 05:58.34 | Manoj | building fvwm, for example, might get you 100MB or so of packages, getting rid of them can be a pain |
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| 06:00.52 | paulfm | Wyzard: thanks - very good to know |
| 06:00.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | oooooooowwwwwwweeeeeennnnn:::: xset r rate 50 60 |
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| 06:01.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, ^^^ |
| 06:01.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... that was actually pretty impossible |
| 06:02.13 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: coool. i am reading about it as well. |
| 06:02.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | 500 30 is the default |
| 06:02.52 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you! |
| 06:03.00 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: i'll try it |
| 06:04.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think one needs values under 250 ms |
| 06:04.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, 100 is still kind of possible |
| 06:06.57 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/Documentation/timers ? |
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| 06:08.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should also try xset r rate 50 60 |
| 06:08.26 | enouf | oh .. some X res crap? |
| 06:08.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | not |
| 06:08.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | quite |
| 06:08.50 | enouf | use cvt |
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| 06:09.50 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: i get unknown option rate |
| 06:10.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of Debian are you using? |
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| 06:11.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's not xset rate 50 60, but xset r rate 50, 60 |
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| 06:12.41 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, now it's ok. cool! |
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| 06:15.49 | at0m|c | CutMeOwnThroat: you happen to know weither it's possible to set repeat rates per keyboard? ie. my remote control sends too long "pulses" so i needed to raise delay pretty high :/ |
| 06:16.22 | at0m|c | the remote is also recognised as a keyboard, so there's 2: qwerty keyb and remote control |
| 06:16.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 06:17.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't there ALSO a section in xorg.conf? |
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| 06:17.33 | at0m|c | on lower delays, the remote control sends double keys to mythtv etc. |
| 06:17.37 | at0m|c | will check, cheers. |
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| 06:19.10 | at0m|c | Option "AutoRepeat" "500 5" (not supported on all platforms) |
| 06:19.16 | at0m|c | will try at home :)) |
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| 06:19.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | at0m|c, e.g. here http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-x11/2005-April/001846.html |
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| 06:20.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Section "InputDevice" [newline] Identifier "Keyboard0" [newline] Option "AutoRepeat" "250 30" |
| 06:20.33 | at0m|c | excellent, thanks :) |
| 06:20.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, that goes for you as well if you want something that stays on a reboot |
| 06:20.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | mind, this is from 2005 |
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| 06:21.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the mail complains that it doesn't work :) |
| 06:21.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | (on freebsd, might not be supported there) |
| 06:21.52 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I said? |
| 06:22.57 | enouf | no, you both forgot the indentation |
| 06:26.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... |
| 06:26.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:27.28 | enouf | this kb sucks ... |
| 06:27.35 | enouf | it moved the |
| 06:27.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 06:27.56 | enouf | \ to somewhere else |
| 06:27.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | !blame it on the keyboard |
| 06:27.57 | dpkg | blames KRF and it on the keyboard for the end of the world as we know it |
| 06:28.37 | enouf | i'm not kidding .. but i should've caught it |
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| 06:29.15 | enouf | the \ and the | are to the far right of the right Shift ... wtf?! |
| 06:29.44 | melik | May 5 09:00:03 mikerd5 /etc/mysql/debian-start[19957]: /usr/bin/mysqlcheck: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) when trying to connect May 5 09:00:03 mikerd5 /etc/mysql/debian-start[19957]: FATAL ERROR: Upgrade failed |
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| 06:29.59 | melik | :s |
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| 06:31.01 | enouf | Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint' |
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| 06:33.02 | melik | yeah enouf i think i changed the password for that before.. |
| 06:33.56 | melik | ohhh i se |
| 06:34.03 | melik | ./etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 06:34.04 | melik | ;D |
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| 06:36.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | self-solving problems |
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| 06:52.43 | rabbott | question, why after changing my NIC, every time I restart my machine I need to enter the static IP and route info again? |
| 06:52.59 | rabbott | is there any way to have eth2 automatically "hold" the info and bring up the link on boot? |
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| 06:55.31 | rabbott | can anyone help me set the machine back up with a static IP? |
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| 06:59.27 | enouf | !70 |
| 06:59.28 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
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| 06:59.54 | enouf | dead rabbit |
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| 07:00.56 | kfb | "Linux has never been about quality. There are so many parts of the system that are just these cheap little hacks, and it happens to run." --Theo De Raadt. How was that OpenSSL fiasco for you E-tards Debian lunix users and developers ? That sure demonstrated Debian's high quality control over it's code production didn't it ? Yeah right. Linux is for idiots. |
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| 07:01.02 | kfb | BSD uber alles |
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| 07:02.39 | paulfm | night yall |
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| 07:06.32 | blime | when creating chrooted jails for server processes, is it necessary to cp everything into the jail, or can it all just be ln'd ? |
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| 07:07.03 | dondelelcaro | blime: hardlinked, sure. Though doing that kind of defeats the purpose of having a chroot in the first place |
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| 07:08.01 | blime | so if i patch the system later, i'd just have to recopy all the files? |
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| 07:08.43 | dondelelcaro | blime: you'd have to re-link them |
| 07:09.18 | blime | dondelelcaro, okay, thanks |
| 07:09.51 | ewet | hi, is it possible to control amarok despite the fact the screen is locked. i'm well aware this would be a security issue but it would also come in handy as well... |
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| 07:11.03 | dondelelcaro | ewet: remotely, sure |
| 07:11.07 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: ... what is the purpose of udev keeping track of device names across reboots? |
| 07:11.15 | paulfm | any ideas? |
| 07:11.25 | dondelelcaro | paulfm: so that it's not insertion-order dependent |
| 07:11.39 | dondelelcaro | paulfm: or kernel module load-order dependent, either. |
| 07:11.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | paulfm, I told you... so that multiple network cards wouldn't swap around between reboots |
| 07:12.12 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: prob a silly question.. but what if they did? |
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| 07:12.35 | dondelelcaro | paulfm: then suddenly you'd have your firewall reversed |
| 07:12.42 | dondelelcaro | (or other forms of insanity) |
| 07:12.42 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: I guess if you tell an app to always look for eth1... that would be a prob |
| 07:12.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 07:12.56 | paulfm | dondelelcaro: good example |
| 07:13.06 | paulfm | ok... Think ive got it.... |
| 07:13.13 | ewet | dondelelcaro: what do you mean by that? ir-control? |
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| 07:13.37 | dondelelcaro | ewet: ssh or some other form of interaction |
| 07:13.44 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: so if I only ever have 1 nic then I can set uved to always name net devices to eth0? |
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| 07:14.04 | paulfm | uved = udev |
| 07:14.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd think so |
| 07:14.14 | dondelelcaro | paulfm: sure |
| 07:14.32 | dondelelcaro | paulfm: but in most cases, the default things that udev does are right. |
| 07:14.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see what should be wrong with that |
| 07:14.46 | dondelelcaro | personally has a set of pcmcia cards which all map to ath0, for example |
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| 07:14.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, he's cloning from one disk, so it's inconvenient |
| 07:15.19 | dondelelcaro | paulfm: if you're cloning from a single disk, fix the image to delete the generated rules |
| 07:15.29 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: well there is no problem really except if I get a drive and want to place it in another machine... udev thinks I have a new nice... so it issues a new name... and the machine has no live network |
| 07:15.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, so you want to swap drives on occasion? |
| 07:16.00 | dondelelcaro | and if you're sticking the same drive into different machines constantly, disable the generator rules |
| 07:16.12 | paulfm | dondelelcaro: how do you do that? |
| 07:16.15 | dondelelcaro | just about everything that udev does is fairly easily configurable |
| 07:16.30 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: yes - Im swapping drives a lot |
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| 07:16.49 | paulfm | i suppose its like botton many diff machines from a usb stick |
| 07:16.57 | paulfm | botton = booting |
| 07:17.03 | dondelelcaro | paulfm: edit /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules or /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules |
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| 07:17.32 | dondelelcaro | (well, copy the /lib one to /etc if you want to edit it, anyway) |
| 07:17.42 | paulfm | dondelelcaro: I was looking at z25 as per CutMeOwnThroat's suggestion |
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| 07:18.05 | dondelelcaro | paulfm: what the generator is called is dependent on the udev version |
| 07:18.16 | paulfm | ok... sounds good... I did see I can set address"*" eth0 |
| 07:18.30 | paulfm | dondelelcaro: yes - I am on .105 |
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| 07:18.45 | dondelelcaro | I'm looking at 0.141-1 |
| 07:18.49 | paulfm | basically eth0 for all mac addresses |
| 07:19.00 | paulfm | dondelelcaro: got it. |
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| 07:20.04 | paulfm | one more q... if my nich is eth0 and interfaces doesnt have an eth0 entry but has one for eth1 for example... on a reboot why does it successfully get the networking up? |
| 07:20.11 | paulfm | nich=nic |
| 07:20.29 | paulfm | dondelelcaro: any ideas? |
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| 07:23.59 | paulfm | thanks CutMeOwnThroat & dondelelcaro - I gotta hit the hay as they say |
| 07:24.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | so do I |
| 07:24.48 | enouf | judd: versions udev |
| 07:24.48 | judd | enouf: udev -- etch: 0.105-4 etch-security: 0.105-4etch1 lenny: 0.125-7 lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1 sid: 0.141-1 squeeze: 0.141-1 |
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| 07:25.53 | enouf | spanks a pony |
| 07:26.45 | enouf | !nopony paul |
| 07:26.45 | dpkg | paul: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
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| 07:26.48 | pl4yer0ne | calls Ingrid Newkirk |
| 07:26.49 | petronius | http://www.gangsters.pl/index.php?polec=5560 |
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| 07:31.36 | iamwoody | hey guys, i have a problem , i just wanna upgrade php5.2.0 to 5.2.6 ,how can ? |
| 07:31.56 | dondelelcaro | iamwoody: upgrade to lenny |
| 07:32.34 | Younix | goddamnit |
| 07:32.37 | Younix | what is wrong with shockwave on debian |
| 07:32.37 | Younix | ? |
| 07:32.38 | Younix | seriously |
| 07:32.55 | azeem_ | Younix: what is shockwave? |
| 07:33.06 | iamwoody | we have many software compiled , if upgrade to lenny , may be don't work |
| 07:33.20 | Younix | azeem: what is shockwave? |
| 07:33.25 | Younix | shockwave flash? |
| 07:33.30 | azeem | Younix: why do you ask me? |
| 07:33.35 | Younix | why don't you? |
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| 07:33.41 | iamwoody | i just wanna upgrade php |
| 07:33.54 | iamwoody | only one package |
| 07:33.59 | azeem | Younix: do you have a Debian question? |
| 07:34.16 | iamwoody | how can i upgrade ? |
| 07:34.36 | Younix | azeem: yes? |
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| 07:34.45 | Younix | azeem: shockwave isn't working on iceweasel (debian lenny) |
| 07:34.50 | azeem | iamwoody: see whether a new version of php5 is available in etch-backports |
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| 07:34.55 | azeem | Younix: it's called flash nowadays |
| 07:34.59 | Younix | so what? it isn't working |
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| 07:35.13 | azeem | Younix: it's proprietary technology |
| 07:35.14 | Younix | azeem: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/ |
| 07:35.19 | Younix | top one works...bottom one doesn't |
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| 07:35.24 | rabbott | I was trying to install packages using apt-get install and it crashed halfway through, now I cant install / remove *anything* can anyone help? |
| 07:35.26 | Younix | err, excuse me |
| 07:35.36 | Younix | azeem: top one DOESNT work..bottom one does |
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| 07:36.14 | iamwoody | azeem: thanks i find it here http://hype.sourceforge.jp/f/dists/etch/backports/ |
| 07:36.18 | rabbott | pleae can anyone help? |
| 07:36.36 | Younix | 12:38:49 <dpkg> Macromedia Shockwave Player is non-free software not available for GNU/Linux. For "Shockwave Flash" (Flash), ask me about flash |
| 07:36.38 | at0m|c | rabbott: how about "apt-get -f install" ? |
| 07:36.42 | rabbott | i need to install a package but apt wont let me install anything now because it keeps trying to recover from the crash |
| 07:36.59 | rabbott | at0m|c nope, it still returns the error |
| 07:37.03 | alex_sleiborg | Hi. Anyone having problems with installing mozilla-mplayer plugin for iceweasel, on debian 5.0 sid? |
| 07:37.29 | iamwoody | azeem: thanks very much, |
| 07:37.30 | Younix | fuck it all. |
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| 07:37.40 | rabbott | http://pastebin.com/m1e1679a8 |
| 07:37.42 | at0m|c | rabbott: but it the lock is still in place, i don't know how you go beyond that. reboot maybe? |
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| 07:37.52 | at0m|c | s/but it/but if |
| 07:37.53 | rabbott | tried that too 0_o |
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| 07:38.14 | azeem | rabbott: pastebin the full output of apt-get -f install |
| 07:38.15 | azeem | !paste |
| 07:38.16 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 07:38.54 | rabbott | http://pastebin.com/m34a948c |
| 07:38.56 | at0m|c | rabbott: that's not a lock problem, just dpkg was unable to complete some install. not a crash :) |
| 07:39.16 | rabbott | so how do i get past that and get rid of the packages it keeps trying to install? |
| 07:39.41 | rabbott | i tried installing GFS but it gave that error, and now, no matter what I install, it keeps trying to install those packages |
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| 07:40.29 | azeem | rabbott: which version of Debian? |
| 07:40.32 | rabbott | i think i fixed it... |
| 07:40.58 | rabbott | just ran "aptitude remove ccs" and it removed both ccs and glum and now it's letting me run apt again |
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| 07:42.35 | rabbott | here's another quesiton however, after I run "aptitude install kernel-sources..." where do I find the sources? |
| 07:42.49 | Eulex | /usr/src |
| 07:43.01 | rabbott | it's a .bz2 file |
| 07:43.02 | rabbott | ? |
| 07:43.30 | rabbott | or do I need to extract it to use it? |
| 07:43.55 | at0m|c | rabbott: sure. man tar will explain how |
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| 07:45.13 | rabbott | ah it's working now... yea, i'm trying to compile a driver / module for a fiberchannel card |
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| 07:47.28 | rabbott | how do I rebuild the kernel with the support I just added? the guide i'm following doesn't tell how |
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| 07:50.08 | lvh_ | rabbott: figure out the name of the driver, make menuconfig in the kernel root |
| 07:50.13 | lvh_ | you might need libcurses5-dev |
| 07:50.16 | lvh_ | gotta go now |
| 07:50.42 | rabbott | thanks |
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| 07:53.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott, you don't need to rebuild the whole kernel if it's just one module... specially if Debian has a package of that module |
| 07:53.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd check that first :) |
| 07:53.41 | zhxk` | hello, how to browse source code conveniencely? any tools for advice? |
| 07:54.01 | rabbott | the module isn't in debian to begin with... |
| 07:54.13 | rabbott | ftp://ftp.emulex.com/pub/fibrechannel/drivers/all_other_lp_models/linux |
| 07:54.17 | rabbott | that's what i'm installing |
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| 07:56.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott, err... but it's one of the kernel modules in the kernel? /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-486/kernel/drivers/scsi/lpfc/lpfc.ko |
| 07:56.30 | rabbott | is the IP one though? |
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| 07:56.40 | rabbott | lpfndd |
| 07:56.44 | rabbott | and lpfcdd |
| 07:57.05 | rabbott | its to support IP networking over FC HBA's |
| 07:57.30 | rabbott | aka I have 2 4GBit HBA's that are 4x faster than regular 1GbE |
| 07:57.54 | rabbott | aacraid iscsi_tcp.c scsi_ioctl.c |
| 07:58.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | was just looking for files with the same name |
| 07:58.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can do that, too |
| 07:58.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-file |
| 07:58.38 | dpkg | apt-file is, like, a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
| 07:58.49 | rabbott | hm |
| 07:59.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least you know what you're looking for :) |
| 07:59.15 | rabbott | wait, would I be better off compiling modules? or adding it into the kernel? |
| 07:59.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/iscsi_tcp.ko |
| 07:59.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe |
| 07:59.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | it'd be a breeze if there was a package for it |
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| 08:00.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | but this looks suspiciously as if it was already in the normal kernel |
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| 08:00.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least in 2.6.26 |
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| 08:01.17 | rabbott | there is SCSI support but no support for IPoFC as it was never "stable" and became depreciated wayyy long ago |
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| 08:02.19 | rabbott | what would i put for BASEINCLUDE = /lib/modules/$(VER)/build |
| 08:02.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's m-a |
| 08:02.28 | rabbott | m-a? |
| 08:02.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !m-a |
| 08:02.32 | dpkg | hmm... module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and install them, or "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare". http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant |
| 08:02.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it needs a kernel module package |
| 08:03.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's nice, though, if you can use it |
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| 08:03.13 | anoHito | i am doing apt-get upgrade to upgrade kernel,what will happen if this job has not been finished but ssh is times out ? |
| 08:03.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder how hard it it to take one of those and make your own kernel-module package from it |
| 08:03.42 | rabbott | so if i have a file that is called "module.kernel" that sis what it would be? |
| 08:03.55 | rabbott | err Makefile.kernel? |
| 08:04.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | would be what |
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| 08:04.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | anoHito, the world will end? |
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| 08:05.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | anoHito, probably not much... kernel update doesn't do anything until you reboot |
| 08:05.29 | user__ | anyone know how to read temps on T42 laptop? |
| 08:05.37 | anoHito | CutMeOwnThroat, hmm it is very strange, i mean,it seems that every operatings to the disk it takes a very longer time to finish it. |
| 08:06.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | anoHito, you'll have to fix up the database/config due to half installed stuff, though |
| 08:06.04 | anoHito | CutMeOwnThroat, it was not like this before.hmmm. |
| 08:06.15 | bolt-work | anoHito: suggest doing it in screen? |
| 08:06.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | anoHito, you can run it in screen, though |
| 08:06.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
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| 08:06.26 | anoHito | bolt-work, CutMeOwnThroat ,okay. |
| 08:06.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was coming to that :) |
| 08:06.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | user__, lm-sensors? |
| 08:06.48 | anoHito | but i am really having this problem, that is what i was talking about. the disk. |
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| 08:08.00 | user__ | CutMeOwnThroat, no |
| 08:08.03 | rabbott | i'm having trouble again 0_o |
| 08:08.08 | rabbott | http://pastebin.com/m824170c |
| 08:08.14 | rabbott | can anyone tell me what is going wrong there? |
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| 08:09.35 | dancor_ | i have my own git installed because i need a later version. is there a good way to make apt think that git is installed so that installing git-svn works? |
| 08:10.01 | WaX-Dan | Hey, im having trouble installing a .run file, it says i should install the build and header files but i think i already have |
| 08:10.22 | WaX-Dan | i used aptitude install linux-headers-2.6 linux-kbuild and i tried aptitude install build-essential kernel-headers |
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| 08:11.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | dancor_, make a package |
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| 08:11.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions git |
| 08:11.11 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: git -- etch: 4.3.20-10 lenny: 4.9.4-1 sid: 4.9.4-1 |
| 08:11.19 | dancor_ | ah ok |
| 08:11.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | you need newer than 4.9.4?? |
| 08:12.22 | rabbott | can anyone tell me why it wont compile the module? |
| 08:12.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions git-core |
| 08:12.27 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: git-core -- etch: 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch1 etch-security: 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch2 etch-backports: 1:1.5.6.5-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:1.5.6.5-3 lenny-security: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny1 sid: 1:1.6.2.4-1 squeeze: 1:1.6.2.4-1 experimental: 1:1.6.3~rc1-1 |
| 08:12.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, that's more like it |
| 08:12.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | dancor_, you need newer than 1.6.3~rc1? |
| 08:13.56 | dancor_ | CutMeOwnThroat: actually ok ya i will try the latest packages |
| 08:14.07 | dancor_ | unstable/expremintal |
| 08:14.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | what are you running? |
| 08:14.43 | dancor_ | CutMeOwnThroat: lenny |
| 08:14.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 08:14.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you should /msg dpkg ssb |
| 08:15.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | WaX-Dan, what .run file? |
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| 08:16.08 | WaX-Dan | its a GuestAddon since im running my debian on a vbox |
| 08:16.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott, you probably want to let make-kpkg do the work for you |
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| 08:16.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there no debian package for it? |
| 08:17.41 | WaX-Dan | the .run file is on a iso that you mount in vbox, i think thats they only way to install the guestaddon |
| 08:18.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott, definitely check man make-kpkg... perhaps also use m-a to see how it does stuff in /usr/src/modules |
| 08:18.30 | rabbott | how do I do that? |
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| 08:18.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | .run are normally self-extracting shell scripts... |
| 08:19.08 | rabbott | neither are installed on my system i think 0_o |
| 08:19.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott, you could just run m-a, do update;prepare and select something |
| 08:19.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !installit |
| 08:19.20 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 08:19.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 08:19.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | make-kpkg is in kernel-package |
| 08:19.54 | WaX-Dan | hehe |
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| 08:19.55 | rabbott | ah |
| 08:20.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | (apt-file would have told you!) |
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| 08:20.34 | rabbott | how about m-a? |
| 08:20.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | module-assistant is in... drumroll... module-assistant |
| 08:20.41 | Manoj | rabbott: be prepared to do a lot of reading, though, if you are new to compiling kernels |
| 08:20.52 | budfive | anybody here know about dh-make? |
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| 08:21.14 | rabbott | I beleive that all I need to do is make the module, but for some reason, it won't compile |
| 08:21.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott, and I haven't needed to add my own modules that didn't have a package in a long time now |
| 08:21.31 | WaX-Dan | but, i was wondering, what exaktly do i need to install to install the guestaddon? it says headers and build files |
| 08:21.34 | Manoj | budfive: something to create a template for a package, and to be avoided forever? (I htink you are better off with debhelper version 7) |
| 08:21.41 | WaX-Dan | are those the linux-headers-2.6 linux-kbuild? |
| 08:21.53 | budfive | Manoj: you just answered most of my question. :) |
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| 08:22.32 | WaX-Dan | or did i install smth other then what it told me to :P |
| 08:22.41 | rabbott | http://pastebin.com/m4bd90ae1 |
| 08:22.45 | rabbott | those are the files they give me to work with |
| 08:22.51 | rabbott | if anyone can give me ideas it'd be awesome lol |
| 08:23.45 | Manoj | rabbott: why is the module not compiling? if there is an erros in the code, the helper packages won't be able to fix that |
| 08:24.05 | Manoj | rabbott: if it is not compiling de to version mismatches, well, there m-a might help |
| 08:24.27 | rabbott | how do I install m-a |
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| 08:24.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it's looking for /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686//include/ |
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| 08:25.46 | rabbott | there is no include directory 0_o |
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| 08:26.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6*/include/ |
| 08:26.33 | budfive | Manoj: so if I only use debhelper, am I supposed to make the template (control, rules, etc) by hand? |
| 08:26.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | really, if you have to ask about that, I don't think you should be doing this |
| 08:27.24 | rabbott | ah hm |
| 08:27.49 | Manoj | budfive: with debhelper 7, the rules file can be 3 lines long |
| 08:27.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I'm not really the best to help either, not having had to do this... well, I can't even remember :) |
| 08:28.18 | rabbott | CutMeOwnThroat so modify the MakeFile to point to the right dir? |
| 08:28.22 | budfive | Manoj: i'm not against doing it by hand, just want to know what the "right" way is. |
| 08:28.34 | user__ | how do I run the sensors-applet? |
| 08:28.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | compiling the whole kernel might turn out to be simpler, but it's also tedious and... error prone |
| 08:29.06 | rabbott | Heh |
| 08:29.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott, no, it's all done by environment variables |
| 08:29.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | or options |
| 08:29.28 | fireba11 | hi, i'm trying to rebuild a raid5 array. one disc is dead but i'm trying to start it with the other two to back up my data. nothing really important though. now mdadm says it got 1 device and one spare, how can i tell it to use the spare as active device and try starting the array? |
| 08:29.36 | Manoj | #!/usr/bin/make -f \n%:\n dh $@ |
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| 08:29.51 | Manoj | that's it. replace the \n with a newline. three lines |
| 08:29.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you sure the stuff in 2.6.26 isn't what you need? you're using 2.6.18 (which doesn't seem to have it) |
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| 08:30.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-file _ONLY_ shows it in 2.6.26 |
| 08:30.17 | Manoj | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.47 | budfive | Manoj: ok. thank you |
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| 08:31.27 | rabbott | CutMeOwnThroat i'm confused... |
| 08:32.04 | rabbott | ftp://ftp.emulex.com/pub/fibrechannel/drivers/all_other_lp_models/linux/4.20p/readme.txt |
| 08:32.10 | rabbott | thats the install doc i'm following |
| 08:32.18 | rabbott | i'm on the part where it says "installing as module" |
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| 08:33.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | it dosn't say that in that file, though |
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| 08:33.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like a changelog, not like a readme |
| 08:33.45 | rabbott | err wrong link lol srry |
| 08:33.54 | rabbott | ftp://ftp.emulex.com/pub/fibrechannel/drivers/all_other_lp_models/linux/4.20p/linux420p.doc |
| 08:33.55 | rabbott | that one |
| 08:34.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | aah |
| 08:34.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's seeing that as a word document |
| 08:34.22 | rabbott | because it is lol |
| 08:34.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | holy crap |
| 08:34.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | who documents stuff in a word document |
| 08:34.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's sick |
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| 08:35.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | the readme to a linux kernel module! |
| 08:35.52 | rabbott | 2.By default, the driver looks for the kernel source under /usr/src/linux. This directory generally points to the kernel source tree that is currently running. |
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| 08:35.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott, forget it |
| 08:36.00 | rabbott | hahaha |
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| 08:36.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is for a 2.4er kernel |
| 08:36.05 | rabbott | becaue it's in a .doc file? lol |
| 08:36.12 | rabbott | it says 2.4 and later |
| 08:36.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2.6 is not "later" |
| 08:36.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2.6.x is the next century |
| 08:36.50 | rabbott | lol |
| 08:36.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 08:36.58 | rabbott | all I need is the IPoFC functinality |
| 08:36.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | "see you later" |
| 08:37.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | try the 2.6.26 kernel |
| 08:37.13 | rabbott | technically wouldn't the module still work with it though? |
| 08:37.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | it has a lot of kernel modules that match your names |
| 08:37.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it gives you some support |
| 08:37.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 08:37.44 | rabbott | yea, 2.6 only supports SCSI but they took away IPoFC |
| 08:37.48 | anoHito | is there a 64bit etch ? |
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| 08:38.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure |
| 08:38.10 | zhxk` | hello, are there opengrok in depo? |
| 08:38.17 | anoHito | rabbott, hi, does SAS controller being supported by linux kernel ? |
| 08:38.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott, modules that are not in the kernel branch and get adopted even break between minor kernel versions |
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| 08:39.10 | rabbott | all I know was they kept support for the standard SCSI usage of the HBA Fibre Channel cards... but for IP functionality, they removed it |
| 08:39.15 | rabbott | by default... |
| 08:39.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, those were patches, though :) |
| 08:39.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | still |
| 08:39.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2.6 should really have been 3.0 from the amount of change |
| 08:39.53 | rabbott | I just want the IPoFC functionality lol |
| 08:40.01 | rabbott | esp since that's why i bought the cards |
| 08:40.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno |
| 08:40.19 | rabbott | here's a question, where does the linux source directory reside? |
| 08:40.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you should have cared about drivers when bying them as well? |
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| 08:40.51 | rabbott | IPoFC == Never made it to stable... these are the only cards that ever had support that were reasonable |
| 08:41.03 | rabbott | IPoFC == Got replaced by Infiniband |
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| 08:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you should have gone with infiniband then |
| 08:45.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see a 2.4 kernel module running on a 2.6 kernel |
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| 08:45.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | but what do I know about kernel programming... |
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| 08:46.07 | rabbott | infiniband == Very expensive :-\ |
| 08:46.20 | rabbott | might as well have gone for 10GigE cards at the price |
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| 08:46.42 | rabbott | so basically there's no way to get these cards working? |
| 08:47.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 08:47.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | _basically_ it's software and everything is possible |
| 08:48.01 | rabbott | 03:04.0 Fibre Channel: Emulex Corporation LP9000 Fibre Channel Host Adapter (rev 01) |
| 08:48.02 | rabbott | 03:05.0 Fibre Channel: Emulex Corporation LP9000 Fibre Channel Host Adapter (rev 01) |
| 08:48.07 | rabbott | that's what lspci shows me |
| 08:48.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's surely not impossible to adapt the stuff to a 2.6er kernel |
| 08:48.17 | themill | "lspci -nn" is more helpful |
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| 08:48.29 | rabbott | 03:04.0 Fibre Channel [0c04]: Emulex Corporation LP9000 Fibre Channel Host Adapter [10df:f900] (rev 01) |
| 08:48.30 | rabbott | 03:05.0 Fibre Channel [0c04]: Emulex Corporation LP9000 Fibre Channel Host Adapter [10df:f900] (rev 01) |
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| 08:48.52 | themill | judd, pciid 10df:f900 |
| 08:48.56 | judd | themill: [10df:f900] is 'LP9000 Fibre Channel Host Adapter' from 'Emulex Corporation' with kernel module 'lpfc' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10df:f900 |
| 08:48.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, what do you think about compiling a 2.4er kernel module for a 2.6er kernel? |
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| 08:49.24 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: aiui, the word you're looking for is "rewrite" not "compile" |
| 08:49.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 08:49.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | NOT "impossible" |
| 08:49.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
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| 08:50.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, you could also go back to a 2.4er kernel |
| 08:50.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | with all the joy that causes |
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| 08:51.20 | rabbott1 | i'm back 0_o lost connection |
| 08:51.20 | rabbott1 | a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #debian |
| 08:51.20 | rabbott1 | -:- themill [n=stuart@phoenix.chm.bris.ac.uk] has joined #debian |
| 08:51.20 | rabbott1 | <rabbott> so basically there's no way to get these cards working? |
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| 08:51.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
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| 08:51.54 | rabbott1 | whoops |
| 08:51.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's so many of you joining |
| 08:52.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://pastebin.com/f1eaf38f3 |
| 08:52.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | g'night |
| 08:52.18 | rabbott1 | wait CutMeOwnThroat |
| 08:52.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | (pastebin of what you've missed) |
| 08:52.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | nope |
| 08:52.25 | rabbott1 | ah aight |
| 08:52.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's 3:50 here |
| 08:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | and little dibblers now have to go to bed |
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| 08:53.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | wish I had a mattress here |
| 08:53.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | or a bed |
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| 08:56.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott1, if your heart hangs on this, perhaps you want to install sarge |
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| 08:56.25 | savvas | hello, any experienced udev maintainers here? where should the udev rules go in debian? /lib/udev/rules.d ? |
| 08:56.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* or even potato |
| 08:56.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | checked /etc/udev? |
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| 08:57.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | savvas, I guess you want /msg dpkg z25 |
| 08:57.41 | savvas | thanks :) |
| 08:57.59 | felix_ | the upgrade to debian 5 is quite lage....... ufff |
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| 08:59.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | felix_, there's also one or two thousand new additional packages! |
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| 09:00.37 | rabbott1 | heres a question, does anyone know how to connect 2 machines via fibrechannel so I can share one drive without using IPoFC? |
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| 09:04.08 | SA007 | anyone know a way to detect in what fysical port a usb drive is plugged in? |
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| 09:04.36 | anoHito | hi guys, if the disk has over 92% in use, will this bring out a performance downgrade for this disk ? |
| 09:04.45 | anoHito | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 09:04.45 | anoHito | /dev/sda3 232G 212G 20G 92% / |
| 09:04.58 | nkuttler | SA007: lsusb + tests should help |
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| 09:05.29 | SA007 | in lsusb i see the bus and the device, I only have one bus and the device id changes every time the device is plugged in |
| 09:05.57 | qiyong | in order to install /usr/bin/foo, i need to have ./BUILD/usr/bin/foo and run dpkg -b ./BUILD ? |
| 09:06.08 | qiyong | i'm making a pkg |
| 09:06.36 | SA007 | anoHito: Yes, the furthest part on a harddisk is the slowest part of the disk, and of course head moments are more frequent and further |
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| 09:07.38 | anoHito | SA007, it is very strange that i am having a high load that i didn't have, especically any operatings to the disks will cause this high load i just noticed |
| 09:07.53 | at0m|c | rabbott1: there's a lot of questions. but google has a lot of answers. not sure what you want to do exactly, but you might want to read up on http://www.pixelchaos.net/2008/03/28/coraid-odyssey-part-1/ |
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| 09:08.21 | anoHito | SA007, as an alternate i had to disable some system logging tasks to reduce the writtings to the disk ,it gets better but i would find the source to cause this high load |
| 09:08.24 | SA007 | anoHito: are you using anything like compressing, software raid, or something |
| 09:08.35 | anoHito | SA007, even delete very small files cause a high load. |
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| 09:08.47 | anoHito | SA007, no |
| 09:08.52 | anoHito | none of them |
| 09:08.53 | SA007 | anoHito: is the disk mounted sync? |
| 09:09.00 | anoHito | SA007, huh ? |
| 09:09.46 | SA007 | anoHito: if a disk is mounted with sync as a boot option every change is directly written to disk, which makes operations more secure but also considerably less fluent |
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| 09:10.14 | SA007 | anoHito: entering 'mount' on a command line gives you all the mount options |
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| 09:13.29 | amitz | anoHito: it's probably obvious but have you consider possible fragmention problem, which is probably dependent on you file system? |
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| 09:14.14 | anohit0 | SA007, what did i miss ?sorry disconnected |
| 09:14.43 | amitz | anohit0: it's probably obvious but have you consider possible fragmention problem, which is probably dependent on you file system? |
| 09:14.52 | anohit0 | SA007, maybe i should start to delete some file which are not in use ? |
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| 09:14.57 | ilyak | hi * |
| 09:15.08 | ilyak | Does someone have any experience with scim? |
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| 09:15.25 | ilyak | It doesn't set env variables automatically, for some reason |
| 09:15.26 | ilyak | Should it? |
| 09:15.27 | anohit0 | amitz, but it is strange, it has been running okay right AFTER the transpoartation. |
| 09:15.30 | amitz | ilyak: you can probably ask #debian-cn? |
| 09:15.35 | ilyak | amitz: Thanks, I'll try |
| 09:15.42 | anohit0 | amitz, i use xfs. |
| 09:15.44 | ilyak | I've tried #debian-ko, no such channel :) |
| 09:15.55 | SA007 | anoHito: is the disk mounted sync? |
| 09:15.57 | SA007 | anoHito: if a disk is mounted with sync as a boot option every change is directly written to disk, which makes operations more secure but also considerably less fluent |
| 09:16.00 | SA007 | anoHito: entering 'mount' on a command line gives you all the mount options |
| 09:16.05 | ilyak | #debian-cn is, like, empty too |
| 09:16.09 | anohit0 | amitz, i have never done defrag, heard it is a risk to do. |
| 09:16.28 | anohit0 | ilaiho, #debian-zh |
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| 09:17.38 | ilyak | No match |
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| 09:17.49 | ilyak | his channel is no longer officially on freenode |
| 09:17.54 | SA007 | ok, lsusb -t does give the devices in order of plugged in to the ports, but still no certain way to find out in what port it is plugged in |
| 09:17.54 | ilyak | ^T |
| 09:18.32 | amitz | amitz: xfs is pretty demanding on processing power if I'm not mistaken. |
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| 09:19.08 | nkuttler | SA007: maybe /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 09:19.27 | SA007 | nkuttler: cat /proc/bus/usb/devices hangs the console? |
| 09:19.51 | nkuttler | SA007: ? |
| 09:19.59 | SA007 | (how do you install killall in debian?) |
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| 09:20.16 | nkuttler | SA007: apt-cache search killall |
| 09:20.20 | ilyak | Damn, there are like 1.5G asians, and I can't find their debian channel :( |
| 09:20.51 | nkuttler | ilyak: isn't it more like 2.5? and which language? |
| 09:21.48 | ilyak | nkuttler: Any of three which need scim |
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| 09:21.57 | amitz | anohit0: there are a large articles of file system performance, maybe you read some? There are many issues like performance of write, read, delete, creating directories, large vs small files, system load, etc. |
| 09:22.21 | nkuttler | ilyak: whatever that is.. |
| 09:22.46 | anohit0 | amitz, :( ok. |
| 09:22.47 | ilyak | nkuttler: scim is an X11 'input method' for inputting those syllables and hieroglyphs |
| 09:22.55 | ilyak | From a regular keyboard |
| 09:23.24 | SA007 | nkuttler: /proc/bus/usb/devices does give a port number indeed ;) |
| 09:23.25 | nkuttler | ilyak: fascinating. and which languages use it? ... |
| 09:23.32 | amitz | anohit0: yeah, it sucks :-) |
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| 09:23.51 | ilyak | I'm trying to get Hangul input, that's Korean |
| 09:24.05 | ilyak | But it can do all three: japanese, korean, chinese |
| 09:24.14 | nkuttler | !zh |
| 09:24.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 09:24.23 | nkuttler | !jp |
| 09:24.24 | dpkg | hmm... jp is Japan |
| 09:24.26 | nkuttler | hm |
| 09:24.29 | ilyak | :) |
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| 09:26.23 | anohit0 | amitz, i run iostat -mx 1, in the %util there is always 99 to 100 |
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| 09:26.40 | anohit0 | amitz, The disk's i/o capibilities ? |
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| 09:26.48 | CoolCold | hi |
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| 09:27.04 | CoolCold | i have custom builded 2.6.28.8 on etch, and don't have /dev/rtc |
| 09:27.48 | CoolCold | while on 2.6.25.2 i had one..grepping config with CONFIG_RTC - can't find any strings |
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| 09:28.24 | CoolCold | what should i do to enable /dev/rtc ? |
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| 09:30.23 | adb | it isn't in /dev/.udev/names/rtc ? |
| 09:31.01 | amitz | anohit0: I don't really understand that. My knowledge about filesystem is only from choosing one for personal use :-). Sorry can't help you much. |
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| 09:32.28 | amitz | anohit0: tell me if what I'm stating to obvious. Basically for frequent but small unimportant changes/update, just use ext2 (non-journalized fs), |
| 09:33.05 | CoolCold | adb: ls: /dev/.udev/names/: No such file or directory |
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| 09:33.15 | amitz | anohit0: wait, what do you want to use the harddisk for? |
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| 09:34.22 | amitz | anohit0: oh, for webserver? put the log into a hd with non-journalized fs like ext2. |
| 09:34.27 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.33 | anohit0 | amitz, webhostings, client run php forums and php cms,that is all. |
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| 09:35.13 | anohit0 | amitz, ext2 ? gee,that is very old one ,no ? |
| 09:35.14 | amitz | anohit0: you mentioned about the log making the system loads very high. After you disable the log, how's the performace? |
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| 09:35.42 | amitz | anohit0: old but very fast :-D |
| 09:36.14 | anohit0 | amitz, after i have disabled some logging tasks, the load average is getting alot , A LOT better,but still, it seems i will still get high load when do deleting tasks and etc. |
| 09:37.11 | at0m|c | why not ext3 with noatime,nodiratime etc for mount options? |
| 09:37.14 | panla | lkasjfdl;akjfl;kasfjlaskjfl;sifjlskjflskjfl;ksfjlskfjlksfjlsjf |
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| 09:37.39 | at0m|c | at least ext3 offers higher reliability for a server.. |
| 09:37.52 | CoolCold | adb: no such directory |
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| 09:38.20 | amitz | anohit0: delete performance is bad for xfs. Probably your problem is with the fs after all. |
| 09:38.21 | adb | missed udev somehow |
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| 09:38.49 | anohit0 | amitz, that big difference compare to other fs? |
| 09:38.56 | amitz | anohit0: especially deletion of many small files. |
| 09:39.02 | anohit0 | oh yeah |
| 09:39.07 | anohit0 | amitz, you are very RIGHT ! |
| 09:39.12 | adb | CoolCold: i'll upgrade to lenny |
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| 09:40.35 | amitz | anohit0: nice if it's true :-). But why so many deletes? |
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| 09:40.35 | anohit0 | amitz, those small files, are splitted in different sub-folder,futhermore, in sub-sub-folders, it is a PAIN to delete them , system keeps having a high load when do it. |
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| 09:40.35 | anohit0 | amitz, That was an example. |
| 09:40.36 | at0m|c | amitz: why not add noatime,nodiratime mount options ? lots of read/writes saved on deletion, creation and access.. |
| 09:40.48 | amitz | anohit0: oh! xfs is very bad in performance in creating directory... |
| 09:40.54 | anohit0 | amitz, strange is, i did not have this problem before this server transportation. |
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| 09:41.22 | anohit0 | amitz, which filesystem would you recommand ? |
| 09:41.26 | amitz | anohit0: you mean transporting to your co-location site? |
| 09:42.16 | anohit0 | amitz, i meant to select XFS as it has a good reputation for having a less rate in recovering datas after a power failure,thus, an incomplete reboot. |
| 09:42.42 | anohit0 | a less rate to fail to recovering the datas .. i mean. |
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| 09:42.50 | anohit0 | i could be wrong. |
| 09:43.32 | anohit0 | amitz, no, sent my server from the old datacentre to the new datacentre, it was a long trip, across states that far. |
| 09:43.52 | amitz | anohit0: well, if I remember it right (this one is really sketchy in my mind), even if it's true that xfs has less rate of failures, the failures are more fatal :-) |
| 09:44.02 | anohit0 | amitz, i used to have 1 IP had no problem,this time i have 2 IPs ,do not know if this can be a problem |
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| 09:44.28 | jon- | 2 ips are better than one :) |
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| 09:44.54 | anohit0 | the failures are more fatal ....comare to what you just said before this sentence, it is very acceptable, lol. |
| 09:45.14 | amitz | anohit0: http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html |
| 09:45.32 | anohit0 | jon-, the high load could not be from the 2 IPs config, i can not believe it. |
| 09:46.17 | amitz | anohit0: :-) . That's a comparison of file system I googled. Maybe you can start from there. |
| 09:46.18 | anohit0 | amitz, Thanks for the link,i am reading on it. |
| 09:46.36 | jon- | anohit0: you're right, that makes no sense |
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| 09:58.51 | cire | Is it possible to span kde4 taskbar over two screens? |
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| 09:59.09 | RichiH | i know kde 3 can do it, so i assume yes |
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| 10:03.32 | ewet | hi, i have to read a pdf in time new roman on screen and i hate it already. is there a program/format that will preserve links and (most of the) layout where i can at least change the font? |
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| 10:07.39 | at0m|c | cire: maybe #kde ? |
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| 10:08.43 | amitz | ewet: no that I know of. Pdf is designed so that it can be read the way the author intended to be, with author's fonts, margin, etc. |
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| 10:10.19 | ewet | amitz: crap :-< |
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| 10:27.22 | stse | Hi! I have upgraded to xfce 4.6.1 in Testing and have problems creating my own menu. With the help http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu I can add entries to the top level menu. But I want to have my own directory structure. Can someone please point me to a link or show me an example how to do this? |
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| 10:29.02 | trochala | Hello, I am getting this error trying to purge a package,"Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal." |
| 10:29.13 | trochala | How can I reinstall it? |
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| 10:33.40 | stse | trochala: doesn't an "aptitude reinstall <package>" work for you? |
| 10:34.22 | trochala | stse, nope, But I just found the related bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=519382 |
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| 10:41.27 | WaX-Dan | hm, i think i broke a directory |
| 10:41.41 | WaX-Dan | i wrote chmod 0764 www |
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| 10:42.05 | WaX-Dan | and now it says "Server returned empty listing for directory '/var/www'." when i try to go to it with openSSH |
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| 10:42.20 | WaX-Dan | any sugestions on how i can fix this? |
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| 10:42.28 | WaX-Dan | im quite the linux noob :P |
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| 10:42.34 | at0m|c | WaX-Dan: folders need to be exacutable, so uneven: 755, 775 |
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| 10:42.49 | WaX-Dan | ooh |
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| 10:43.09 | at0m|c | 4 for read, 2 for write, 1 for executable |
| 10:43.28 | at0m|c | att the numbers for user/group/others |
| 10:43.33 | at0m|c | s/att/add |
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| 10:43.57 | WaX-Dan | hm, wonder where i get that 0 in the beginning from |
| 10:44.00 | WaX-Dan | *got |
| 10:44.06 | at0m|c | ehehe |
| 10:44.12 | WaX-Dan | anyway, going to try now, thanks |
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| 10:45.12 | WaX-Dan | working now, thx at0m|c |
| 10:45.17 | at0m|c | wahooooo: keep in mind the 'special' status of /var/www : should only be writeable by www user and group |
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| 10:45.41 | at0m|c | oops wahooooo , should have been WaX-Dan |
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| 10:46.30 | WaX-Dan | thats ok, im on a 3G mobile connection on the GPRS network = my crappy ISP blocks all my server so no one other then my home network can accsess them =( |
| 10:46.52 | WaX-Dan | but i can still experiment and lern Linux :P |
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| 10:48.55 | lolufail | hi there<1 |
| 10:48.56 | lolufail | ! |
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| 10:49.56 | lolufail | even though sendmail is removed from my lenny, the init scripts reside and get executed by /etc/init.d/networking .... what should I do? remove and "sendmail" file in /etc ? |
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| 10:51.27 | petemc | lolufail: what gets executed? |
| 10:52.19 | lolufail | /etc/network/if-post-down.d/sendmail |
| 10:52.20 | lolufail | /etc/network/if-down.d/sendmail |
| 10:52.20 | lolufail | /etc/network/if-up.d/sendmail |
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| 10:52.28 | lolufail | throwing around errormessages |
| 10:53.15 | stse | lolufail: hm, "dpkg --purge sendmail"? |
| 10:53.23 | petemc | lolufail: how did you install sendmail? how did you remove it?> |
| 10:53.38 | lolufail | stse: it's already removed |
| 10:53.56 | lolufail | stse: installing it again would conlfict with the current mta |
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| 10:54.20 | lolufail | petemc: it was pulled in by something, I removed it with aptitude install exim |
| 10:54.22 | lolufail | 4 |
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| 10:54.48 | petemc | odd |
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| 10:54.59 | lolufail | because removing it manually would have installed xmail as mta |
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| 10:55.32 | petemc | i guess you could remove the fiels pertaining to sendmail in /etc/network/ safely enough |
| 10:58.53 | stse | lolufail: yes, it is removed, but removing a package leaves the config files. If you purge a package, then every file is deleted. |
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| 10:59.36 | lolufail | i fixed with installing sendmail again by removing postfix (not exim, sry), issuing purge sendmail, and not accepting all solutions until he offered installing postfix instead |
| 10:59.49 | lolufail | win. |
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| 10:59.54 | basanta | is there a way to play real media .rm file in debian? |
| 11:00.29 | nkuttler | basanta: mplayer can do that |
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| 11:01.10 | basanta | nkuttler, really what extra package do I need, because it doesn't by default |
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| 11:01.25 | liable | w32codecs should do it |
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| 11:02.16 | nkuttler | that doesn't seem to exist anymore. maybe the multimedia repository? |
| 11:03.14 | basanta | nkuttler, liable ok |
| 11:03.33 | liable | it always was in marillat/dmo |
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| 11:04.54 | nkuttler | i'm using sid's mplayer. plays everything i throw at it so far. |
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| 11:09.07 | liable | cool, thought .rm's would still be nonfree |
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| 11:09.18 | liable | good news if not so |
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| 11:09.30 | felix_ | amarok is the best audio player |
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| 11:09.44 | liable | gee, thanks |
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| 11:11.45 | basanta | nkuttler, liable thanks its working "mighty mplayer" |
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| 11:11.53 | benstOr | he |
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| 11:13.21 | JockyWilson | Debian Lenny force a newer program version from Squeeze = do i just change repositories in Lenny to Squeeze? |
| 11:13.37 | JockyWilson | newer version not in Lenny repository |
| 11:14.10 | themill | JockyWilson: no. That's going to end badly. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 11:18.04 | JockyWilson | themill: the program i need is not in the backports but is listed in the Squeeze Testing repository |
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| 11:19.31 | sep | JockyWilson, he (themill) knows and he told you told you how you could use it in your lenny. |
| 11:19.38 | mcgreg | hi |
| 11:19.42 | themill | JockyWilson: you'll have to make your own backport then. (It may not be easy/possible to make) |
| 11:19.51 | nkuttler | !tell JockyWilson about ssbp |
| 11:20.35 | JockyWilson | ic |
| 11:21.00 | mcgreg | I have beenj here a few days ago talking about some serious libc6 problem ... does anyone know if it has bene fixed/further discussed in here? |
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| 11:21.19 | nkuttler | mcgreg: well, did you file a bug? |
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| 11:21.42 | JockyWilson | and changing repositorys to Squeeze for Lenny will cause crashes? |
| 11:21.52 | nkuttler | JockyWilson: don't do it |
| 11:22.01 | JockyWilson | ok |
| 11:22.10 | mcgreg | nkuttler: nope. I dont even know if it was a real bug. I was here to ask/inform. |
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| 11:22.23 | TTT | hi, is it possible to run rxvt so that it executes a command, and then stays open with a shell? rxvt -e xxx runs the command and then quits |
| 11:22.32 | nkuttler | mcgreg: if you can reproduce it, use reportbug |
| 11:23.05 | mcgreg | nkuttler: *if* I can reproduce it, I have to reinstall my whole debian system - which isn't that funny |
| 11:23.09 | TTT | hmm, i could run rxvt -e "bash -c xxx" but bash also quits after running that command |
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| 11:24.41 | maligor | TTT, "xxx && read"? |
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| 11:27.00 | maligor | it'll exit when you press enter tho |
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| 11:27.22 | TTT | exactly |
| 11:27.28 | felix_ | i give up trying to upgrade debian4 to debian5 |
| 11:27.40 | TTT | i want it to finish doing xxx, and act as a normal terminal window |
| 11:27.41 | felix_ | to many problems on my server |
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| 11:31.01 | noregret | guys, what is debian-update-5.0.1-i386-DVD-1.iso ? is it for updating 5.0 ? |
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| 11:35.05 | emorris | hi, I've got a quick question on iptables. Currently I have INPUT to ACCEPT tcp 22, and DROP everything else, but connecting via SSH takes much longer than when ACCEPTing everything. Anyone know why this might be? |
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| 11:38.57 | joltcan | emorris: do you have state ESTABLISHED somewhere in there as well |
| 11:39.44 | enouf | noregret: probably .. but what's it's size? |
| 11:39.57 | emorris | joltcan: i do now, and it works :-) |
| 11:40.03 | emorris | thanks |
| 11:40.21 | enouf | noregret: each Stable release goes through rX versions |
| 11:41.03 | enouf | noregret: as the /topic mentions; /msg dpkg lennyr1 |
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| 11:41.44 | stse | emorris: the SSH server will probably try to resolv the client via DNS. Do you have any rules allowing the server to do DNS queries? |
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| 11:42.19 | ArKaItZ | hello! I have a problem running avahi-daemon on debian lenny. It was working ok without a firewall, but when I installed one and accepted connections on port 5353 (TCP and UDP), confirmed viewing the output from iptables --list-rules, it failed to broadcast to other hosts. What happened to me? |
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| 11:44.04 | enouf | why on earth would you run avahi-daemon? |
| 11:44.43 | felix_ | you can try upgrading to 5 |
| 11:44.44 | felix_ | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-upgrade-debian-linux-4etch-to-5lenny-server.html |
| 11:44.59 | felix_ | its good link, for me i am rollin back to 4 |
| 11:45.05 | enouf | you'll notice it's a mDNS address; ala; 169.254.x.x .. ugh |
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| 11:55.23 | zxd | hi |
| 11:55.30 | zxd | what programs make use of /etc/mailcap |
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| 11:57.32 | datenritter | when i apt-get update on one machine i get this in apt-cacher's log _all the time_ : "|info [5866]: ALARM! /cache/aptcacher/packages/security_dists_testing_updates_contrib_i18n_Translation-de.bz2 file is larger than expected (351). Renaming to /cache/aptcacher/packages/security_dists_testing_updates_contrib_i18n_Translation-de.bz2.corrupted." what should i do? |
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| 11:58.27 | datenritter | the client reports: 104, reset by peer |
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| 12:04.03 | Skept | Hi, I dont have the file /sys/power/pm_trace. SHould I install any package for that? |
| 12:04.32 | azeem | Skept: /sys is a virtual kernel file system |
| 12:04.43 | azeem | it means your kernel or your system does not have support for it |
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| 12:05.43 | omid8bimo | hi, why eveytime i start my debian, kerneloops process runs?! |
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| 12:06.35 | Skept | Sorry. I figured it out now. Thanks azeem |
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| 12:09.19 | zamba | how do i quickly check if i'm running a 32-bit or 64-bit os? |
| 12:09.57 | enouf | file /bin/ls |
| 12:10.16 | zamba | elf 32-bit |
| 12:10.21 | zamba | that's 32-bit os, then? |
| 12:10.26 | enouf | for kernelspace; cat /proc/version |
| 12:10.29 | pasky | Hi! What should I do when apt-get update gives me the following message? |
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| 12:10.30 | pasky | W: GPG error: http://debian.mirror.dkm.cz squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 12:10.36 | Firestarter | what package contains gtk-config I tried libgtk2.0-dev but no luck |
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| 12:10.42 | pasky | was this mirror compromised? |
| 12:11.00 | unomi | when apt-get install mtop I get Setting up mtop (0.6.6-1.2) ... |
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| 12:11.01 | unomi | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 12:11.37 | unomi | initially I had a pw for root on mysql, but even after setting the password to 'no password' i get this error |
| 12:11.51 | enouf | !tell Firestarter -about apt-file |
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| 12:13.22 | enouf | !i forgot mysql's root password |
| 12:13.22 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html, or <mysql initial password> |
| 12:13.45 | asdff | I have downloaded debian-501-i386-netinst.iso but I only want the most basic system. what do I do to skip the "network check" part during installation? |
| 12:14.08 | enouf | asdff: read the ig |
| 12:14.23 | asdff | I'm sorry, what's ig? |
| 12:14.25 | azeem | asdff: if you want a basic system, look at debootstrap or emdebian |
| 12:14.28 | azeem | !ig |
| 12:14.28 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <installer firmware>. |
| 12:14.28 | unomi | enouf: thanks, but what I am looking for is a way to tell dpkg how to do --configure on the mtop package |
| 12:14.35 | asdff | ok thank |
| 12:14.37 | asdff | you |
| 12:14.46 | azeem | asdff: how much disk space do you ahve? |
| 12:14.47 | azeem | have* |
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| 12:14.55 | asdff | 10 gb but I want everything on minimal |
| 12:15.08 | azeem | well, it'll just be trouble without much gain |
| 12:15.11 | enouf | unomi: then you need to set your debconf |
| 12:15.15 | unomi | asdff: you probably do want networking? |
| 12:15.27 | azeem | whether you have 150 or 250 MB shouldn't matter much for a 10GB disk |
| 12:15.29 | asdff | I only want the most basic system then I will decide what to get using apt-get |
| 12:15.41 | azeem | asdff: what do you mean with "most basic" |
| 12:15.43 | unomi | asdff that is what netinstall will do |
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| 12:15.48 | azeem | asdff: just don't tick off any tasks then |
| 12:15.48 | enouf | asdff: just untick all of tasksel except standard |
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| 12:16.01 | liable | asdff: just unplug the cable and it will just install base from cd. otherwise, just untick everything when the tasksel screen comes up. |
| 12:16.08 | azeem | enouf: I think standard is no longer presented in lenny's tasksel |
| 12:16.12 | abrotman | unomi: use the netinst .. skip the tasksel, install what you want after that |
| 12:16.13 | asdf | grumbles |
| 12:16.17 | abrotman | azeem: it was for me |
| 12:16.22 | azeem | if you select any task, tasksel will also install standard |
| 12:16.23 | asdf | asdff: get a new nick, this one is *mine* |
| 12:16.23 | liable | it does |
| 12:16.24 | azeem | oh, ok |
| 12:16.26 | enouf | azeem: that's bad .. ok |
| 12:16.35 | enouf | ugh |
| 12:16.36 | asdff | :) |
| 12:16.41 | unomi | asdff: strange I didnt get any 'tasksel' when I used deb 5.01 hd-install |
| 12:16.51 | asdf | :D |
| 12:16.53 | fdsa | I didn't either |
| 12:16.55 | asdf | tnx! |
| 12:17.00 | fdsa | it is just asking for a network connection |
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| 12:17.17 | enouf | see ig |
| 12:17.21 | Firestarter | enouf: thanks |
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| 12:17.26 | unomi | whats the problem with asking for a network connection? |
| 12:17.30 | liable | asdf: register it and you can kick him, otherwise its tough tits ;) |
| 12:17.32 | enouf | netsel/something |
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| 12:18.07 | asdf | liable: well he has a nick that's matching mine in irssi so it highlights this window |
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| 12:18.37 | asdf | i am registered, very time i connect i ghost asdf, switch to asdf and auth |
| 12:18.40 | liable | asdf: bad luck :P |
| 12:18.50 | asdf | indeed! hah, oh well, back to work. |
| 12:19.12 | unomi | he means you should reg all nicks which might cause irssi to get excited |
| 12:19.24 | enouf | looks around for 'tits up' |
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| 12:20.09 | lolufail | hi there! |
| 12:20.29 | lolufail | could it be that this howto is quite outdated? http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualization-with-kvm-on-a-debian-lenny-server |
| 12:20.43 | abrotman | why do you say that? |
| 12:20.49 | abrotman | Last edited 03/09/2009 |
| 12:20.50 | lolufail | or at least it doesnt use the libvirt auto-bridging features |
| 12:20.54 | lolufail | and other neat stuff |
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| 12:21.06 | slidesinger | I have been using the dvorak keyboard (setxkbmap dvorak works in x, loadkeys at the console, but only for root) and would like to automate it on login. All the tips I find are for doing this globally, which doesn't apply because there are multiple users and I am the only dvorak user, or for gnome or kde. |
| 12:21.10 | slidesinger | I want it to load dvorak when I login regardless of whether I login to the console or X. |
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| 12:22.08 | lolufail | slidesinger: check ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile |
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| 12:24.54 | flower | I have 6 gb ram, how large should my swap be? |
| 12:25.30 | datenritter | flower: you do not need a swapfile, but some people say, you should have one. make it 512MB to 1G and be happy. ;) |
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| 12:31.09 | flower | swapperdeflap |
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| 12:34.32 | pasky | is there some easy drop-in package that will version-control my /etc configfiles? |
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| 12:35.01 | pasky | and let me conveniently merge changes etc. |
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| 12:35.32 | ageek | hello room |
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| 12:36.28 | ageek | does anyone here uses freenas |
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| 12:37.42 | abrotman | !room |
| 12:37.42 | abrotman | bot? |
| 12:37.42 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 12:37.45 | abrotman | pasky: yes .. etckeeper IIRC |
| 12:37.49 | abrotman | dpkg: you're late |
| 12:37.49 | dpkg | abrotman: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 12:42.44 | slidesinger | .bash_profile is the file to solve this in X, in fact, I found a howto when I added .bash_profile to my search. Does anyone know how to load dvorak on login to a tty? |
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| 12:43.34 | ageek | hello room |
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| 12:44.01 | ageek | does anyone here uses freenas |
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| 12:45.32 | amitz | is it normal that my debian installation has no /etc/hostname . Can I just add one? |
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| 12:46.14 | petemc | amitz: its not normal, how did you install? |
| 12:46.32 | petemc | but yes, you should be able to just create that file.. |
| 12:46.34 | liable | its not really usual, did you install with debootstrap or something? yes you can just add it, man hostname, /msg dpkg hostname |
| 12:46.57 | liable | loses |
| 12:47.05 | petemc | :) |
| 12:47.06 | flower | how many swap space will debian give you when not choosing 'manual'? |
| 12:47.07 | amitz | well, it's part of a virtual private server. I guess I shouldn't ask whether it's normal. But it's ok as long as I can just create one. |
| 12:47.22 | amitz | It was wrong choice of words. |
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| 12:48.37 | amitz | oh, my question was, /etc/hostname has no dependency right? It won't screw up something because it's there now and it wasn't there before. |
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| 12:51.05 | RichiH | is anyone aware of a best practices document for a high-volume NFS server? i have scheduled downtime coming my way and want to tweak it so it supports more concurrent connections/access[es] |
| 12:51.21 | flower | datenritter: how many swap space will debian give you when not choosing 'manual'? |
| 12:51.57 | RichiH | that's a pretty good question, actually |
| 12:52.29 | RichiH | flower: ask #debian-boot on oftc in case you don't get any answer here |
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| 12:52.45 | pasky | abrotman: awesome, etckeeper is exactly what i was looking for, thanks |
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| 12:53.59 | datenritter | flower: no idea |
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| 12:55.44 | osfd_ | do you think we'll get a recent gimp in debian lenny backports sometimes soon ?? |
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| 12:57.40 | person2 | If there are no release notes for squeeze, how do I upgrade? Follow chapter 4 in the Etch release notes? |
| 12:57.54 | mosno | person2: squeeze isn't released |
| 12:58.16 | person2 | I know |
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| 12:58.53 | person2 | I'm guessing that means it's not worth using yet... |
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| 13:00.03 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps for sme reason everytime I do a lsusb it locks up... |
| 13:00.05 | mosno | person2: it really isn't meant for end-users |
| 13:00.06 | bbelt16ag | weird |
| 13:00.15 | mosno | person2: the testing distro, that is |
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| 13:00.19 | bbelt16ag | I just put this new usb controller on it and it locked up |
| 13:00.37 | person2 | mosno: Alright. But it will be when there's a testing release, right? |
| 13:00.57 | petemc | testing doesnt get released |
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| 13:01.04 | mosno | person2: there's no such thing as ... yea, what petemc said. |
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| 13:01.32 | person2 | Oh. Well, I gathered that testing is generally for desktop users and stable for server users. |
| 13:01.49 | mns | How does one cancel an install when it says it is retriving packages and is stuck at that point ? |
| 13:01.57 | person2 | But meh, I guess... |
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| 13:01.59 | person2 | Thanks |
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| 13:08.53 | amitz | I just change my hostname. How can I "refresh" openssh-server to use this new hostname? dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server only restart it. |
| 13:09.05 | justin | amitz: what? |
| 13:09.09 | bbelt16ag | does usb controllers just work once you connect them or are there drivers etc?? |
| 13:09.14 | bbelt16ag | is there a how to? |
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| 13:10.22 | dareth | bbelt16ag are you talking about keyboards and mice, or something like a flash drive. |
| 13:10.40 | bbelt16ag | a game controller |
| 13:10.51 | bbelt16ag | its a grais eliminator aftershock |
| 13:10.57 | bbelt16ag | I am not certain if it works or not... |
| 13:11.01 | amitz | justin: I just change myhostname from x to y. If I grep "x" in /etc, /etc/ssh/ has several entries on x. I believe I have to reconfigure openssh server to use y instead of x. How to do that? |
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| 13:11.18 | bbelt16ag | knowing my roommate I think she has this forcefield of breakage forelectronics |
| 13:11.28 | dareth | my sister has one of those. |
| 13:11.34 | dareth | she can't wear a digital watch. |
| 13:11.40 | bbelt16ag | hehe] |
| 13:11.45 | justin | amitz: "several entries" like what? |
| 13:12.46 | amitz | justin: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub:1:2048 35 256076628325520........5176701 root@myoldhostname |
| 13:13.00 | justin | amitz: does ssh work fine? |
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| 13:13.32 | amitz | I don't dare to try it since the box is remote.. |
| 13:13.45 | justin | amitz: you don't dare to try seeing if ssh currently works fine? |
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| 13:14.14 | amitz | oh, it's currently works fine but I'm using the session I connected before I made the change. |
| 13:14.20 | amitz | I don't dare to disconnect.. |
| 13:14.22 | Wyzard | amitz: You can just edit ssh_host_key.pub with a text editor |
| 13:14.23 | justin | amitz: sigh |
| 13:14.42 | Wyzard | amitz: but the root@myoldhostname you see there is actually just a comment, and it doesn't matter what it says |
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| 13:14.56 | amitz | Wyzard: oh, that's good :-) |
| 13:14.56 | justin | amitz: are you on windows vista basic or something and can't start another ssh client? |
| 13:15.22 | Wyzard | amitz: Change it with an editor, and just be careful not to change anything but that comment at the end |
| 13:15.42 | amitz | justin: ....well, the hostname change doesn't seem to take effect before I restart? |
| 13:15.43 | justin | Wyzard: I would not count on him to be able to edit it without wrapping the lines :) |
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| 13:16.29 | amitz | justin: nah, I'm not that bad :-) |
| 13:16.35 | thechef | How can I switch language in KDE? |
| 13:16.40 | Wyzard | amitz: I doubt you need to restart sshd at all after changing your hostname |
| 13:16.41 | bbelt16ag | so how do I get it to work |
| 13:17.07 | amitz | Wyzard: hm.. I see. |
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| 13:19.50 | amitz | Wyzard: yeah, the hostname change is visible for new session of ssh. |
| 13:20.38 | amitz | Wyzard: thanks. |
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| 13:21.16 | Thead | hi everyone, have anyone here attempted to use ram as swap space before? |
| 13:21.27 | Thead | im having some trouble with that |
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| 13:21.51 | stew | Thead: why would you do that? |
| 13:21.51 | careta | there is a website, referenced in www.debian.org/misc/merchandise which suposedely sells debian stickers with $1 donation - it is ripping off customers, never sending the stickers and not replying to emails |
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| 13:22.01 | oxi | hi |
| 13:22.06 | lejatorn | greetings. I've set up a basic /etc/apt/preferences to have packages from testing get a higher priority than the ones from unstable, but when I test with apt-cache policy, both the versions have a priority of 500. what could have I done wrong? |
| 13:22.21 | oxi | I'm looking for the BluRay images and can't find them: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-bd/ |
| 13:22.24 | Thead | im usingstew |
| 13:22.28 | Thead | stew |
| 13:22.34 | Wyzard | Thead: The point of swapspace is to have a place to put things when there isn't enough RAM |
| 13:22.35 | stew | careta: send email to merchandise@debian.org |
| 13:22.37 | oxi | does anyone know where to find those easter eggs? |
| 13:22.38 | at0m|c | careta: tried contracting the site's admin? |
| 13:22.40 | Thead | im preparing a loadbalancer firewall server |
| 13:22.59 | Thead | y recompiled the kernel and set up a mirror 1 |
| 13:23.19 | careta | I will |
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| 13:23.37 | stew | lejatorn: /msg dpkg quick squeeze/sid mix |
| 13:23.42 | justin | oxi: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/jigdo-bd/ |
| 13:23.45 | stew | lejatorn: or show us your preferences file |
| 13:23.48 | vlt | Hello. I'm on Debian Lenny and looking for a tool to convert DBF files to SQL or at least CSV. I just found dbf2mysql which needs a real MySQL server to send the data to (instead of just creating a dump file). Any bette idea? |
| 13:23.51 | Thead | y need to use ram as swap so the server can switch hard drives in case of fail |
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| 13:24.11 | oxi | justing: thanks |
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| 13:24.14 | stew | Thead: do you understand what swap is? |
| 13:24.23 | Thead | yeah |
| 13:24.24 | Wyzard | Thead: If you don't want to have a swap partition on disk, then just don't use any swap |
| 13:24.25 | oxi | justin: unfortunately I'm not familiar with jigdo |
| 13:24.34 | oxi | I'd prefer to get the iso's |
| 13:24.37 | stew | Thead: then do you understand that using ram as swap doesn't make any sense at all |
| 13:24.38 | danilom | anyone knows if open-realty can be installed in godaddy linux economic hosting? |
| 13:24.46 | Thead | wyz, thats what i told my boss |
| 13:24.50 | Thead | and i do stew |
| 13:24.59 | Thead | but still, he wants it that way |
| 13:25.03 | Thead | and i have to do it |
| 13:25.04 | stew | Thead: why are you trying to do something that doesn't make any sense? |
| 13:25.05 | thechef | How can I use KDE in german? |
| 13:25.17 | justin | oxi: i doubt you will find the blue ray images on a mirror, it is a total waste of space |
| 13:25.19 | lejatorn | stew: is there a place where I can paste, or should I do it here? |
| 13:25.26 | justin | oxi: jigdo isn't hard to use |
| 13:25.30 | stew | Polarina1: paste.debian.net |
| 13:25.34 | stew | lejatorn: paste.debian.net |
| 13:25.39 | stew | Polarina1: i have no idea why I told you that |
| 13:25.39 | lejatorn | stew: thx |
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| 13:25.48 | Thead | Stew: because my boss wants it that way |
| 13:25.49 | takeiteasy | hi folks |
| 13:26.09 | oxi | debian-501-i386-BD-1.iso |
| 13:26.11 | oxi | justin: ok, thanks |
| 13:26.13 | oxi | justin: yeah, I guess that, but I'm on osx here |
| 13:26.18 | oxi | justin: I guess jigdo is useful if your client is debian |
| 13:26.26 | justin | oxi: im sure jigdo runs just fine on OS X |
| 13:26.31 | takeiteasy | i just installed debian on a intel M pentium 1.7 to figure out the CPU is overheating... |
| 13:26.37 | oxi | justin: ah, didn't know that |
| 13:26.40 | Wyzard | oxi: There should be a torrent for it somewhere too |
| 13:26.45 | lejatorn | stew: http://paste.debian.net/35294/ |
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| 13:26.56 | takeiteasy | it comes with a stable lenny release and a 2.6.2-686 kernel |
| 13:27.05 | oxi | justin: I had a look at jigdo just when it cam up and then it seemed rather painful :-) |
| 13:27.16 | takeiteasy | but even when idling the temperature is raisong, raising ... |
| 13:27.17 | oxi | Wyzard: thanks, I'll hunt for it |
| 13:27.26 | takeiteasy | still rising |
| 13:27.37 | jetx | try cleaning the fan and fins on the heatsink |
| 13:27.38 | stew | lejatorn: have you run apt-get update? |
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| 13:27.43 | lejatorn | stew: yep |
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| 13:27.50 | takeiteasy | i am asking assistance |
| 13:27.55 | takeiteasy | please |
| 13:28.13 | lejatorn | stew: here's my sources.list, just in case: http://paste.debian.net/35295/ |
| 13:28.19 | Thead | so, as I was saying, the server must be stable, it must automatically switch disk if one fails, for that, I set up a mirror 1 with 2 dif HD |
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| 13:28.20 | module000 | takeiteasy: they told you what to do...check your heat dissapation system and clean/repair where necessary |
| 13:28.33 | Thead | Swap is 1 partition in the first HD |
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| 13:28.47 | Thead | and theres no space to mirror swap partitiong in HD 2 |
| 13:28.51 | takeiteasy | who are "they" ? module000 |
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| 13:28.58 | jpinx-eeepc | Is there a package for Apache module mod_macro in lenny? I can't seem to find one with aptitude search/show |
| 13:29.02 | narnarnar | Hello! Can you guys think of a command line tool that creates an encrypted directory or blockdevice based on ftp or ssh? Similar to cryptsetup which creates an encrypted blockdevice at /dev/mapper/soandso based on an existing blockdevice. Doing that on top of ftp or ssh so that the encryption happens on the client would let you store sensitive data on hosts you dont trust. |
| 13:29.10 | stew | lejatorn: how about the output of "apt-cache policy"? |
| 13:29.13 | Wyzard | Thead: sounds like there *is* a need to mirror the swap partition, if you're concerned about reliability of the disk |
| 13:29.22 | Wyzard | Thead: Why not use raid1? |
| 13:29.23 | justin | narnarnar: ecryptfs might work over sshfs |
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| 13:30.29 | Thead | Wyz: im using Raid 1, but both HD are diferent, im mirroring boot and root partitions, and swap, aparently isnt mirroring, as is set as a single partition in the first HD |
| 13:30.43 | lejatorn | stew: http://paste.debian.net/35296/ |
| 13:30.59 | narnarnar | justin: interesting. looking up ecryptfs on the net now. |
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| 13:31.04 | petemc | Thead: if you create swap partitions with equal priority they should do their own form of mirroring |
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| 13:31.24 | Thead | pete: i have only one swap patition |
| 13:31.48 | Wyzard | petemc: I've never heard of swap partitions doing mirroring automatically... if you make two swap partitions the kernel will use both, but not for the same data |
| 13:32.05 | Wyzard | Thead: so make a matching swap partition on the other disk and mirror it |
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| 13:32.16 | Thead | theres no space to do it |
| 13:32.32 | stew | Thead: make space, or don't do it |
| 13:32.33 | Thead | all i have is lots of unused ram |
| 13:32.37 | lejatorn | stew: I take it even if some of the index files are not downloaded, that should not be the reason for those priorities to be ignored, right? |
| 13:32.55 | justin | Thead: then you are better off just disabling the swap partition entirely |
| 13:33.21 | jetx | swapfiles |
| 13:33.33 | Thead | what if i run an app that necesary uses swapping? |
| 13:33.40 | jetx | ^^ |
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| 13:33.55 | stew | Thead: then put more ram in the machine |
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| 13:34.14 | simonrvn | judd: versions swapspace |
| 13:34.14 | judd | simonrvn: swapspace -- etch: 1.10-1 lenny: 1.10-3 sid: 1.10-4 squeeze: 1.10-4 |
| 13:34.21 | simonrvn | judd: versions swapd |
| 13:34.21 | judd | simonrvn: swapd -- etch: 0.2-10 sid: 0.2-10.1 |
| 13:34.23 | Wyzard | Thead: If an app needs to swap, it's because you took away some of the usable RAM to make a ramdisk for swapspace |
| 13:34.55 | Thead | aint that what im trying to do? |
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| 13:35.03 | Thead | using ram as swap space? |
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| 13:35.17 | Wyzard | Thead: if you don't take away some of the usable RAM for swapspace, the app wouldn't need to swap in the first place |
| 13:35.31 | jetx | make a swapfile and it would get mirrored even? |
| 13:35.39 | stew | Thead: give up the idea of using RAM as swapspace, as we have both agreed that doing so is nonsense |
| 13:35.58 | Thead | yeah but, ure not the one that signs my paycheck XD |
| 13:36.01 | Wyzard | Thead: unless it's so big that it needs more RAM than you physically have, in which case it doesn't matter whether some of your RAM is considered swapspace or not; it won't fit either way |
| 13:36.27 | Wyzard | Thead: Using a ramdisk as swap is not only senseless, it's actually counterproductive because it can hurt performance |
| 13:36.48 | stew | lejatorn: can you show me the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 13:37.04 | stew | Thead: you need to make your boss understand that it is nonsense then |
| 13:37.14 | Wyzard | forcing the kernel to copy pages around in memory ("swapping") unnecessarily since the working set does, by definition, fit in RAM |
| 13:37.27 | Thead | ok, I DO UNDERSTAND that it is nonsense, but, i still need to do it, at least to proove my boss that it is nonsense |
| 13:37.33 | lejatorn | stew: oh, I didn't know it could run without an argument |
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| 13:38.15 | Wyzard | Thead: Rather than trying to set up something that you know to be stupid and wrong, set up your disk correctly with raid1 so you can actually get some useful swapspace |
| 13:38.28 | lejatorn | stew: http://paste.debian.net/35302/ |
| 13:38.36 | Thead | it is set as best as it can be |
| 13:38.42 | lejatorn | stew: so it seems like it's not pinning everything that is not stable |
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| 13:39.20 | Thead | if the first hd fails, i llose swap partition and the system could crash, right? |
| 13:39.29 | OpenTokix | Thead: you can have swap on all hdd's |
| 13:39.30 | Thead | unless he second hd contains a mirrored swap partition |
| 13:39.37 | OpenTokix | Thead: and kernel will take care of balancing over them |
| 13:39.42 | Thead | the second* |
| 13:40.42 | stew | Thead: so put a swapfile on a mirrored drive |
| 13:40.42 | Wyzard | Thead: You said you're using raid1, but you also said your two disks are partitioned differently -- something doesn't add up |
| 13:40.42 | justin | OpenTokix: balancing!=redundancy |
| 13:40.42 | Thead | yeah, i know that OT, but i dont have a swap partition on the second hd, theres just not enough space for it |
| 13:40.42 | OpenTokix | justin: true |
| 13:40.44 | stew | Thead: don't use a swap partition at all, put a swapfile on the mirrored drive |
| 13:40.59 | OpenTokix | Thead: listen to stew |
| 13:41.14 | jetx | wow what a great idea stew! |
| 13:41.32 | Thead | ok, lets get this straight, I have a 10 gb hd and a 20gb hd |
| 13:41.33 | stew | lejatorn: i don't know what's going on, i'd recommend using Default-Release instead |
| 13:41.44 | stew | lejatorn: (/msg dpkg quick squeeze/sid mix) |
| 13:41.48 | Thead | only 2 artitions needes, root and boot |
| 13:42.03 | justin | you dont "need" boot |
| 13:42.16 | stew | Thead: put a swapfile on root |
| 13:42.25 | stew | Thead: or don't use swap at all |
| 13:42.38 | lejatorn | stew: yep, will do. but still, that's annoying... |
| 13:42.52 | lejatorn | stew: thx |
| 13:43.04 | Thead | so I need to reconfigure all partitions and the raid1 ? |
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| 13:44.09 | Wyzard | Thead: so assuming you're using Linux software RAID, you have 10GB worth of raid1 array(s) in individual partitions, plus 10GB of non-mirrored space |
| 13:44.13 | jetx | note the letters 'f i l e' |
| 13:44.15 | Wyzard | That makes sense |
| 13:44.18 | jetx | not partition |
| 13:44.19 | stew | lejatorn: oh wait |
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| 13:44.43 | jpinx-eeepc | I'd like to install a module in apache2 but it is not available as a .deb package. How should I do this? |
| 13:44.43 | Thead | thats it Wys, so i used the non mirrored space as swapspace |
| 13:44.55 | stew | lejatorn: you have a typo, "Pin release a=unstable" should be "Pin: release a=unstable" (missing colon after Pin) |
| 13:45.07 | Wyzard | Thead: Either change the partitions so that you have a raid1 for swap in the 10GB of mirrorable space, or use a swap file (instead of partition) as others have suggested |
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| 13:45.49 | Thead | wich is more reliable? |
| 13:45.57 | Wyzard | and explain to your boss that swapping in RAM is like loaning your own money to yourself -- makes you transfer funds (data) around unnecessarily, and doesn't gain you anything |
| 13:46.30 | Wyzard | either should be equally reliable, since the swapspace is on a raid1 |
| 13:46.37 | Thead | so, the right set up is o have swap mirrored as well? |
| 13:46.44 | Wyzard | I think swapfiles are slightly less efficient than swap partitions, performance-wise |
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| 13:46.46 | Wyzard | yes |
| 13:47.06 | jetx | who is going to notice is what i wonder |
| 13:47.16 | stew | Wyzard: as long as the swapfile isn't fragmented is no less efficient |
| 13:47.25 | Thead | what is 1 hd fails before the kernell syncs swap partitions? |
| 13:47.25 | mib_44hfkp | xrandr Xlib: extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":0.0". Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240, current 640 x 480, maximum 640 x 480 default connected 640x480+0+0 0mm x 0mm 640x480 50.0* 320x240 51.0 |
| 13:47.27 | lejatorn | stew: brilliant, that was it. thx a bunch. |
| 13:47.33 | jetx | lol |
| 13:47.37 | Thead | if, sorry |
| 13:47.40 | mib_44hfkp | why can i get higer resolutions ? |
| 13:47.47 | mib_44hfkp | why canT i get higer resolutions ? |
| 13:47.52 | Wyzard | Thead: When data is written to a raid1, it's written to both drives at the same time |
| 13:47.56 | Wyzard | no copying from one to the other |
| 13:48.01 | jetx | higher |
| 13:48.06 | Thead | even swap? |
| 13:48.20 | Wyzard | raid doesn't care what the data is |
| 13:48.22 | Thead | asuming i set up swap space instead of swap file |
| 13:48.23 | Wyzard | It's just bytes |
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| 13:48.27 | Thead | ok |
| 13:48.41 | jetx | mib_44hfkp: hwinfo --monitor, then create yourself a monitor section in xorg.conf |
| 13:48.45 | Thead | well, wish me luck trying to convince my boss |
| 13:48.54 | Wyzard | Remember to configure the raid device (/dev/md1 or whatever) as the swap device, not the underlying partition |
| 13:48.56 | jetx | and/or set the available rez'es |
| 13:49.38 | jetx | and/or set the available rez'es in the display section (iirc it's display) |
| 13:49.42 | mib_44hfkp | hwinfo --monitor The program 'hwinfo' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: |
| 13:49.52 | mib_44hfkp | freaking ubuntu |
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| 13:50.48 | stew | mib_44hfkp: pleaes go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 13:51.00 | mib_44hfkp | i cant proxie issues |
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| 13:51.20 | stew | mib_44hfkp: ask #ubuntu-ops for help with your proxy issues |
| 13:51.30 | stew | mib_44hfkp: or look for help in a ubuntu web forum or ubuntu mailing list |
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| 13:52.02 | mib_44hfkp | i should have installed debian in the 1st place |
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| 14:00.17 | bbelt16ag | hey what's a good sega emulator for linux |
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| 14:01.08 | jetx | apt-cache search emulat |
| 14:01.16 | jetx | there's a lot of them afaik |
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| 14:07.49 | straterra | I'm trying to download the source of wmi-client..I'm not running debian, and I need to compile this software for another OS..where can I get the source? |
| 14:08.08 | jetx | lol |
| 14:08.12 | bzed | straterra: dev.zenoss.com |
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| 14:08.45 | beardy | bbelt16ag: I'm sure you seached and saw it yourself, but there's dgen, mess, and gxemul apparently. dgen is in non-free. |
| 14:09.15 | straterra | thanks |
| 14:09.23 | bzed | straterra: I've removed it from debian and ubuntu as the zenoss guys are still stuck with some insanly old version of samba4 as they don't want to migrate their stuff to gpl v3 |
| 14:09.51 | bzed | straterra: http://dev.zenoss.com/svn/ if you want to svn co it |
| 14:09.51 | straterra | 51 megs? |
| 14:09.54 | straterra | what the heck |
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| 14:10.08 | bzed | straterra: it contains the full samba 4 source from 2 years ago |
| 14:10.24 | bzed | straterra: and it needs ~15 minutes to build, depending on the machine of course |
| 14:10.33 | straterra | I see |
| 14:10.36 | straterra | It won't take long here :)P |
| 14:10.56 | bzed | the the 15 minutes was on a 2.4GHz core2duo... |
| 14:11.00 | straterra | the wmic binary I have (its statically linked) is about 8 megs.. |
| 14:11.10 | straterra | Well..we have a rather powerful cluster here.. |
| 14:11.10 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 14:11.15 | bzed | yeah, because it is statically linked |
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| 14:11.33 | bzed | straterra: I doubt that make-j and friends will work... but give it a try :) |
| 14:11.39 | straterra | I shall |
| 14:11.54 | straterra | so..stuff that doesn't want to get gplv3'd gets yanked? |
| 14:11.54 | bzed | straterra: do you need .deb packages? |
| 14:12.05 | straterra | No. I'm not running debian :) |
| 14:12.35 | bzed | straterra: they're sticking with their gplv2 only stuff... the zenoss guys |
| 14:12.47 | straterra | I came here because I was only able to find ubuntu/debian having the app..so..yeah |
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| 14:12.55 | bzed | straterra: so they can't link their code with recent versions of samba4 |
| 14:12.59 | straterra | Right |
| 14:13.21 | bbelt16ag | thanks |
| 14:13.25 | bzed | straterra: and as I don't want to support an old samba4 source security-wise, it got removed |
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| 14:13.35 | asdacool | help http://roxxxanika.07x.net/?id=865 |
| 14:13.36 | straterra | Ok, that makes sense |
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| 14:14.00 | bzed | straterra: not to forget that shipping the source twice and linking stuff statically with old libs created from that source is just completely insane |
| 14:14.08 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone know about apxs or apsx2 and how to get it onto lenny. There doesn't appear to be a package. It's for installing modules to Apache |
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| 14:14.23 | straterra | Oh, I agree |
| 14:14.25 | bzed | jpinx-eeepc: user apt-file search or packages.debian.org |
| 14:14.39 | straterra | I just need some way to do wmi queries in Linux..and this seemed the easiest way |
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| 14:14.57 | bzed | straterra: yeah, unfortunately it is |
| 14:15.16 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: apt-cache search apxs |
| 14:15.21 | bzed | straterra: but afaik is jelmer reimplementing their code (or at least parts of it) in samba4 |
| 14:15.33 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions apxs |
| 14:15.33 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: apxs -- |
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| 14:15.46 | straterra | If thats the case, this is just a holdover until samba gets support for it then |
| 14:16.01 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: apxs is not the pacakge name |
| 14:16.09 | bbelt16ag | are there tools to find out if my game controller is working |
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| 14:16.13 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.24 | bbelt16ag | am not certain why it won't work in my rom emulators. |
| 14:16.30 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: it's not in apt-cache search either |
| 14:16.31 | bbelt16ag | I think the last two I tried were buggy |
| 14:16.39 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions apxs2 |
| 14:16.39 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: apxs2 -- |
| 14:16.40 | stew | jpinx-eeepc: apxs is in apache-dev but you probably want apxs2 from apace2-*-dev |
| 14:16.50 | greycat | o$ apt-cache search apxs |
| 14:16.50 | greycat | apache2-prefork-dev - Apache development headers - non-threaded MPM |
| 14:16.50 | greycat | apache2-threaded-dev - Apache development headers - threaded MPM |
| 14:17.16 | bzed | jpinx-eeepc: are you too lazy to use packages.debian.org? |
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| 14:17.41 | jpinx-eeepc | bzed: no result there |
| 14:17.51 | greycat | bzed: he's also too lazy to paste the command I gave him |
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| 14:18.31 | bzed | jpinx-eeepc: I get 3 results there. |
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| 14:19.49 | jpinx-eeepc | sorry guys - I'm on a really slow connection here |
| 14:19.58 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: apt-cache search apxs |
| 14:20.00 | jpinx-eeepc | it tke time to get pages and read them |
| 14:20.16 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: and if you're still too damned lazy to PASTE IT into your shell you can just read where I pasted it a couple minutes ago |
| 14:20.39 | straterra | bzed: is there any way to compile in that suite just to get the wmic binary? |
| 14:20.41 | straterra | That's all I need |
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| 14:21.00 | debel | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 14:21.18 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: I did that and now I'm trying to figure out which one is right |
| 14:21.36 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: the one that matches your current apache2 installation |
| 14:22.05 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: you can use "dpkg -l | grep apache2" to see which one you have |
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| 14:23.28 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks greycat that's got it |
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| 14:24.52 | bzed | straterra: hmm I guess there is, have a look at the makefile... |
| 14:25.12 | bzed | straterra: although all you save to compile is probably the python stuff |
| 14:25.17 | cayres | are centralized home directories a bad idea? |
| 14:25.33 | bzed | straterra: wmic needs a lot of libs, so I guess you need to compile large parts of it anyway |
| 14:25.48 | beardy | cayres: Depends if you want them or not. |
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| 14:26.06 | cayres | im looking at the idea |
| 14:26.27 | beardy | cayres: If you need centralization, people logging in from different machines and you want/need centralized home directories.. or not. |
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| 14:27.02 | straterra | bzed: Bah..I'll just use the statically compiled binary I have o.O |
| 14:27.03 | cayres | I like the idea, but is it efficient |
| 14:27.14 | straterra | Looks like a PITA |
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| 14:27.39 | cayres | beardy, is the standard to use NFS or what? |
| 14:27.46 | beardy | cayres: Efficient to/for what? Your questions are best answered by yourself, or by comparing different things yourself. |
| 14:28.26 | bzed | straterra: I need to write them a mail and tell them tha I've removed their stuff from debian... |
| 14:28.59 | beardy | cayres: I don't know what the standard is, if there is one, but probably. |
| 14:29.24 | cayres | beardy, I was looking at the idea of centralized auth aswell |
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| 14:29.42 | cayres | nis or ldap or something |
| 14:29.47 | beardy | cayres: There, I'd guess ldap would be the place to look. |
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| 14:31.44 | himuraken | Go easy on me here. Just wiped my Dell mini and loaded Lenny on it. |
| 14:32.02 | himuraken | Wifi is broken of course, so I followed the steps on the Broadcom site for their binary driver. |
| 14:32.10 | justin | himuraken: no |
| 14:32.21 | justin | himuraken: never listen to what a vendor says |
| 14:32.25 | himuraken | LOL |
| 14:32.30 | bzed | justin is right |
| 14:32.34 | himuraken | I am having a problem with the make. |
| 14:32.38 | bzed | most vendors just have no idea |
| 14:32.41 | himuraken | justin, elaborate? |
| 14:33.01 | bzed | install b43-fwcutter and read the docs for it :) |
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| 14:33.09 | bzed | !b43 |
| 14:33.09 | dpkg | [b43] the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <ndiswrapper> or <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 14:33.26 | Malle | enouf i got my system running again :D :D |
| 14:33.26 | Malle | thx |
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| 14:33.39 | himuraken | Thanks bzed, Ill read into that. |
| 14:33.45 | bzed | himuraken: see above what dpkg wrote :) |
| 14:33.56 | himuraken | Yep I see it |
| 14:33.59 | himuraken | You have that working? |
| 14:34.10 | bzed | I had it on my old laptop |
| 14:34.17 | bzed | until the laptop broke :D |
| 14:34.25 | himuraken | Cool, thanks for the tip, I will try it again. Hoping the Mini dont break here. |
| 14:34.39 | bzed | himuraken: the broadcom stuff didn't break it |
| 14:34.45 | himuraken | LOL of course. |
| 14:34.48 | bzed | :D |
| 14:34.58 | himuraken | Just meant I dont want my laptop to die for ANY reason lolz |
| 14:35.05 | himuraken | Thanks again, ill idle now :-) |
| 14:35.26 | jetx | windows does not like resized with parted for some reason |
| 14:35.46 | jetx | worked once out of 3 times so far |
| 14:35.52 | ajavid | man |
| 14:35.54 | ajavid | I tell ya |
| 14:36.12 | ajavid | if you've ever tried to install zend studio on amd64 and succeeded? |
| 14:36.13 | jetx | sup dude |
| 14:36.17 | ajavid | let me know |
| 14:36.21 | ajavid | hey man, morning |
| 14:36.29 | Malle | how to check what debian version you have ? |
| 14:36.32 | ajavid | yo jet, I'm in LA, grad school LSU ;) |
| 14:36.38 | jetx | cool! |
| 14:36.42 | ajavid | in fact i was in houston last weekened |
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| 14:36.59 | ajavid | anyway |
| 14:37.06 | ajavid | zend studio on amd64 is a pain |
| 14:37.15 | jetx | leaves to go to work yet again |
| 14:37.17 | bluethundr | hmm.. if I issue sudo proftpd -td5 the feedback I get is based on the hosts' old name. web3.beezag.com - the name has been changed to stage.alpha.beezag.com. yet if you issue a hostname command it reports the name as stage. why does proftp think the machine still has it's old name? |
| 14:37.22 | ajavid | and also, none of my Java apps I use are anti aliased fonts |
| 14:37.42 | greycat | bluethundr: did you restart proftpd? |
| 14:37.47 | ajavid | what gives? /etc/fonts/conf.d/10-sub-pixel-rgb.conf <- is straight |
| 14:37.50 | bluethundr | yep |
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| 14:37.54 | ajavid | hinting is true |
| 14:37.58 | stew | Malle: try "lsb_release -a" |
| 14:38.06 | greycat | bluethundr: maybe the hostname is in the config file, then. I don't know. |
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| 14:38.11 | Malle | stew didnt work |
| 14:38.13 | Malle | no such command |
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| 14:38.23 | bluethundr | greycat: let me check |
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| 14:39.05 | stew | Malle: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for "Installed:"? |
| 14:39.10 | ajavid | I even appeneded the -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on -Dswing.aatext=true -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=lcd_hrgb to my application's launcher scrip (netbeans 6.7beta) and I still don't have anti aliased font |
| 14:39.25 | ajavid | does anyone know how to enable subpixel hinting in JRE apps |
| 14:39.26 | Malle | Installed: 2.7-18 |
| 14:39.26 | Malle | Candidate: 2.7-18 |
| 14:39.31 | ajavid | arbitrary java apps |
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| 14:40.23 | stew | judd: versions libc6 |
| 14:40.23 | judd | stew: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-4 sid: 2.9-9 |
| 14:40.32 | stew | Malle: you appear to be on lenny, aka debian stable |
| 14:40.55 | Malle | appear |
| 14:41.08 | Malle | i want a system message stew iirc there was one but i cannot remember it |
| 14:41.27 | stew | Malle: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:41.39 | Malle | thx stew |
| 14:41.40 | Malle | 5.0.1 |
| 14:41.41 | Malle | =) |
| 14:41.51 | Malle | err how do i make a shortcut |
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| 14:42.17 | ajavid | Malle, dos has a command called 'ver' |
| 14:42.24 | Malle | i have apache2 installed, and i want to put files in folder X and its the same as if i was to put it in /var/www |
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| 14:42.36 | greycat | Malle: a symbolic link? ln -s |
| 14:42.45 | Malle | greycat thats it, but i dont know the command |
| 14:42.51 | ajavid | Malle, alias ver='cat /etc/debian_version' ? |
| 14:43.00 | greycat | Malle: ln -s |
| 14:43.09 | Malle | greycat where do i write it |
| 14:43.13 | ajavid | oh a shortcut like lol |
| 14:43.13 | Malle | in the folder i want aas shortcut |
| 14:43.15 | ajavid | linking |
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| 14:43.52 | greycat | Malle: read a unix tutorial/guide, or if you're bright enough, read "man ln" |
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| 14:44.02 | Malle | i want a folder called "X" to be a link to /var/www |
| 14:44.21 | Malle | or shortcut or whatever u call it |
| 14:44.29 | greycat | symlinks |
| 14:44.38 | greycat | Google for "how to make a symlink" |
| 14:44.52 | Malle | thank you |
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| 14:45.09 | Malle | and oh when i do apt-get install mysql i get to such package, how do i find out what the package is really called? |
| 14:45.13 | Macer | hello. what pkg is the gnome printing setup utility a part of? |
| 14:45.13 | Malle | dpkg search something ? |
| 14:45.14 | dpkg | Malle: wish i knew |
| 14:45.16 | Macer | foomatic-gui? |
| 14:45.31 | ajavid | Malle, apt-cache show mysql (usually mysql-server |
| 14:45.47 | ajavid | mysql-server-5.0 |
| 14:45.51 | Malle | how do i exit a manual |
| 14:45.54 | ajavid | q |
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| 14:45.58 | greycat | ajavid: you mean apt-cache search |
| 14:45.59 | Macer | for some reason apt-get removed it |
| 14:45.59 | Macer | wtf |
| 14:46.00 | Malle | thx |
| 14:46.01 | Malle | hehe |
| 14:46.07 | ajavid | greycat, no, show |
| 14:46.14 | beardy | cayres: https://filer.case.edu/wiki/notes/linux_authentication might be a starting point for the authentication. http://www.debian-administration.org/article/OpenAFS_installation_on_Debian using something other than nfs, google "centralized authentication linux" and "centralized home directories linux" for example. |
| 14:46.20 | ajavid | greycat, look at package details to see which packages the virtual package 'mysql-server' depends on |
| 14:46.49 | cayres | beardy thanks |
| 14:46.51 | stew | ajavid: and you'd run "apt-cache show mysql" to find that out? |
| 14:47.03 | stew | Malle: you want to try "apt-cache search mysql" |
| 14:47.06 | greycat | ajavid: "apt-cache show mysql" gives an error. |
| 14:47.06 | Macer | grrrrrr |
| 14:47.08 | Macer | wtf |
| 14:47.08 | ajavid | sorry n ot virtual, meta package |
| 14:47.12 | Macer | where did it go?! |
| 14:47.19 | Malle | stew and ajavid thx, |
| 14:47.20 | ajavid | and mysql-server is a metapakcage depending on mysql-server5.0 |
| 14:47.35 | stew | is it? |
| 14:47.39 | sylar | say , does package updates happen via port 80? |
| 14:47.42 | Malle | so i need to install both mysql-server and mysql-server-5.0 ? |
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| 14:47.44 | ajavid | Depends: mysql-server-5.0 |
| 14:47.49 | ajavid | Description: MySQL database server (metapackage depending on the latest version) |
| 14:47.50 | stew | i guess not then |
| 14:47.57 | sylar | And is it possible to make it use a proxy? |
| 14:48.08 | ajavid | stew, I don't understand the nature of your query |
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| 14:48.22 | stew | Malle: if you install mysql-server it would install both, you can also just install mysql-server-5.0 which is the one you really need here |
| 14:48.30 | Malle | yeah i saw it now stew =)) |
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| 14:48.43 | Malle | btw i forget how to make a new user with permissions aswell |
| 14:48.46 | Malle | :S |
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| 14:48.59 | stew | ajavid: i was just questioning whether or not "mysql-server is a metapakcage depending on mysql-server5.0" |
| 14:49.14 | ajavid | stew, oh ok, I just found out it is as well |
| 14:49.25 | stew | ajavid: that it actually isnt? |
| 14:49.28 | ajavid | it is |
| 14:49.32 | stew | it isn't |
| 14:49.36 | ajavid | thena gain im on unstable |
| 14:49.43 | bbelt16ag | bahhhh |
| 14:49.44 | ajavid | if you mean stable, then I dunno you could be right |
| 14:49.53 | zxd | hey , does anyone know an editor that lets you select rows like in excel openoffice verticaly , instead of lines |
| 14:49.54 | stew | judd: versions mysql-server5.0 |
| 14:49.55 | bbelt16ag | why can't I find the bios for geneis and sms *PULLS HAIR OUT **** |
| 14:49.55 | judd | stew: mysql-server5.0 -- |
| 14:50.07 | ajavid | but in stable, mysql-server depends on mysql-server-5.0 |
| 14:50.11 | stew | right |
| 14:50.12 | ajavid | er.. unstable |
| 14:50.15 | stew | right |
| 14:50.32 | ajavid | look atme from 10:45 |
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| 14:50.44 | ajavid | I pasted the output of apt-cache show mysql-server |
| 14:50.53 | Malle | greycat it didnt work out correctly |
| 14:50.55 | ajavid | 2 lines |
| 14:50.55 | Malle | the symlink |
| 14:51.05 | ajavid | Malle, google symbolic links linux |
| 14:51.10 | Malle | i wrote ln -s /var/www /home/marcus/public_html |
| 14:51.24 | greycat | Malle: what on earth are you trying to do? |
| 14:51.33 | Malle | instead of the public_html being a shortcut to /var/www i got the www inside "public_html |
| 14:51.34 | greycat | Prevent people from ever having personal web pages? |
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| 14:51.43 | Malle | greycat before i had like this |
| 14:51.46 | ajavid | Malle, what you need to do is this |
| 14:51.51 | greycat | Malle: if the directory already exists, then the symlink is created inside it. |
| 14:51.56 | Malle | oh.. |
| 14:51.59 | Malle | thats the error then |
| 14:52.01 | Malle | i guess |
| 14:52.16 | jetx | supply full path |
| 14:52.21 | ajavid | Malle, on apache2, simply go to /etc/apache/mods-available and ln -s (sigh) the userdir.load and userdir.conf to ../mods-enabled |
| 14:52.22 | justin | Malle: you also did it backwards |
| 14:52.23 | beardy | sylar: If using http it uses port 80. "Set the environment Variable http_proxy: export http_proxy="http://192.168.1.1:8080" or export http_proxy=http://uid:pw@proxy:port if the proxy needs authentication. There is also an option that can be set in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d." |
| 14:52.25 | Malle | working now !!!!! |
| 14:52.27 | ajavid | Malle, restart apache |
| 14:52.28 | jetx | //path/to/target /path/to/linkname |
| 14:52.34 | greycat | If /home/marcus/public_html is a directory and you want it to become a symlink, you must rename it or remove it first. |
| 14:52.35 | ajavid | Malle, you don't need to do this, just enable userdir mod |
| 14:52.38 | Malle | thank you greycat |
| 14:52.44 | Malle | its working |
| 14:52.46 | BurdWork | We do monthly logrotates with our apache logs for record keeping purposes. Currently we just have it set to monthly but it does it on the 5th of every month, we would rpefer to do it on the 1st of the month. Is there a way to set up log rotation to do it on a specific day of the month? |
| 14:52.54 | ajavid | I think you're looking for userdir and not making a symlink from public_html directly to docroot |
| 14:52.57 | ajavid | thas not good |
| 14:52.59 | greycat | But, yeah, I can't think WHY you would want /home/marcus/public_html to be a symlink to /var/www. |
| 14:53.08 | Malle | now i just need to figure out how to make a new user and set permissions.. was so long ago .. *grumble* |
| 14:53.17 | greycat | Malle: adduser |
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| 14:53.51 | ajavid | ok |
| 14:53.53 | Malle | greycat i cant remember chown commands |
| 14:53.54 | Malle | :/ |
| 14:54.00 | ajavid | one more time, adduser vs. useradd? whats the distinction ? |
| 14:54.04 | greycat | man chown |
| 14:54.07 | beardy | Malle: man chown |
| 14:54.12 | jetx | adduser is a wrapper i think |
| 14:54.16 | jetx | and easier |
| 14:54.20 | petemc | ajavid: adduser is a script that calls useradd and does stuff |
| 14:54.25 | ajavid | ahh |
| 14:54.26 | beardy | It does more things yes. |
| 14:54.35 | Malle | so i want the new user to have same permissions and the "marcus" user |
| 14:55.46 | greycat | Malle: then make sure they are both in the same groups (check the /etc/group file) |
| 14:55.52 | Malle | ok |
| 14:55.53 | beardy | Malle: We don't tell you to read a manual without reason. Keyword "reference". |
| 14:56.05 | Malle | beardy i know but im to stupid to understand them |
| 14:56.14 | greycat | beardy: (s)he asked the wrong question. |
| 14:56.15 | ajavid | greycat, doh, I forgot |
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| 14:56.31 | Malle | he* |
| 14:56.32 | ajavid | greycat, don't need apt-cache show (though it does give the info as well) apt-cache depends pkgname |
| 14:56.39 | ajavid | I just remembered hehe |
| 14:57.22 | beardy | My mistake then. |
| 14:57.31 | greycat | ajavid: the point was that "apt-cache show mysql" produces an error and no useful information when you are looking to find out the actual package name. |
| 14:57.33 | stew | ajavid: "apt-cache depends mysql" would work just as poorly as "apt-cache show mysql" |
| 14:57.41 | ajavid | greycat, mysql-server :) |
| 14:57.42 | ajavid | not mysql |
| 14:57.52 | ajavid | the metapackage is mysql-server |
| 14:57.57 | greycat | ajavid: which was not the original questioner's search string... |
| 14:58.06 | ajavid | wait what? |
| 14:58.15 | stew | ajavid: right, which does NOT depend on mysql-server5.0 as you said, it depends on "mysql-server-5.0" |
| 14:58.17 | ajavid | didn't he want to know about msyql server |
| 14:58.40 | ajavid | 10:45 < ajavid> Depends: mysql-server-5.0 |
| 14:58.40 | ajavid | 10:45 < ajavid> Description: MySQL database server (metapackage depending on the latest version) |
| 14:58.46 | stew | ajavid: yes, he wanted to know what package to install to get mysql server, and we were trying to point out that your suggested command "apt-cache show mysql" would not work |
| 14:58.58 | greycat | If you are trying to install mysql and you do not know the package name, or the metapackage name, "apt-cache search mysql" is what you start with. |
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| 15:00.04 | ajavid | stew, my suggested command was not in answer to that, obviously that wouldn't work, which is why I said |
| 15:00.08 | ajavid | 0:43 < ajavid> Malle, apt-cache show mysql (usually mysql-server |
| 15:00.10 | ajavid | 10:43 < ajavid> mysql-server-5.0 |
| 15:00.16 | ajavid | I don't wanna go back and forth with this man, whatever |
| 15:00.42 | ajavid | probably crossed lines, but I know what im talking about and I think its alright |
| 15:00.46 | beardy | Then read what greycat said and learn. |
| 15:01.05 | bbelt16ag | bah |
| 15:01.05 | ajavid | I'm aware |
| 15:01.07 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.33 | beardy | ajavid: All good then. |
| 15:01.46 | beardy | bbelt16ag: What are you confused over? |
| 15:01.49 | ajavid | I told him to look at apt-cache show mysql-server cuz he wanted to know which packages are installed when you install mysql |
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| 15:02.03 | ajavid | thas what I understood, so thats what I answered, to look there |
| 15:02.09 | greycat | No, he wanted to know *how to install mysql*. |
| 15:02.09 | ajavid | to see which packages it depends on |
| 15:02.35 | ajavid | then I misunderstood |
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| 15:03.23 | stew | there must have been another conversation going on somewhere else then |
| 15:03.39 | bbelt16ag | trying to get mess to work properly saying its needs bios13fx.rom |
| 15:03.50 | bbelt16ag | I can't seem to find it searching again |
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| 15:04.10 | abrotman | what says that? |
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| 15:04.37 | beardy | bbelt16ag: That information you will not find here. You need to own a system, and have dumped it yourself. In reality you search the web, but please don't ask about it here. |
| 15:05.00 | ajavid | ahhhh, I misread, he said 'called' not 'installed' |
| 15:05.02 | ajavid | doh. |
| 15:05.22 | bbelt16ag | ok sorry |
| 15:05.23 | ajavid | im dyslexic I swear to god. |
| 15:06.08 | bluethundr | I am trying to change the default ftp root for proftp to DefaultRoot /var/ftp/~ that is I want this directory to act like the /home directory for ftp users. however every time I try to set this value in proftpd.conf and restart the daemon ftp clients cannot log in |
| 15:06.35 | bluethundr | I have created user directories with appropriate permissions yet this still doesn't work |
| 15:06.54 | greycat | #proftpd might be better |
| 15:07.06 | bluethundr | greycat: gotcha |
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| 15:07.58 | ajavid | alright guys |
| 15:08.10 | ajavid | any idea on how to enable anti alias fonts on random JAVA apps? |
| 15:08.43 | ajavid | I even appeneded the -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on -Dswing.aatext=true -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=lcd_hrgb to my application's launcher scrip (netbeans 6.7beta) and I still don't have anti aliased font |
| 15:09.01 | ajavid | not in frostwire, not in any java apps on the web, not in any JRE apps nothing |
| 15:09.04 | greycat | ajavid: try ##java |
| 15:09.12 | ajavid | they don't help with JRE problems, only java programming |
| 15:09.18 | Malle | anyone got good knoweldge of "screen" |
| 15:10.09 | greycat | #screen does |
| 15:10.17 | stew | Malle: lots of people, just ask your real question |
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| 15:10.37 | Malle | "screen -AmdS ventrilo ./ventrilo_srv && cd /home/ventrilo/vt" |
| 15:10.41 | Malle | and nothing happends |
| 15:10.45 | Malle | i dont get a error message , nothing |
| 15:10.52 | Malle | its been working so many times before |
| 15:11.17 | greycat | Malle: the && separates two entirely independent shell commands. |
| 15:11.28 | greycat | Malle: the "cd" command is being run after screen exits. |
| 15:11.51 | Malle | screen -AmdS ventrilo ./ventrilo_srv |
| 15:11.55 | Malle | does not work either |
| 15:11.56 | Malle | so.. |
| 15:12.02 | module000 | Malle: define "does not work" |
| 15:12.05 | greycat | I can't help with that part. |
| 15:12.06 | Malle | nothing happends |
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| 15:12.12 | Malle | ps x says that nothing is running |
| 15:12.14 | greycat | something must happen. |
| 15:12.16 | Malle | i get no error commands |
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| 15:12.22 | Malle | but i i type just "screen" |
| 15:12.26 | Malle | screen starts |
| 15:12.35 | zxd | what happens if I have more than one application under /usr/share/applications that has the same Content-Type |
| 15:12.51 | zxd | MimeType |
| 15:12.56 | module000 | Malle: because you aren't passing it -AmdS when you just type "screen", so naturally it "just starts" |
| 15:13.10 | Malle | yes so screen is working we know that |
| 15:13.15 | Malle | but now when i type screen -AmdS ventrilo ./ventrilo_srv |
| 15:13.21 | Malle | user ventrilo exists |
| 15:13.26 | greycat | Why are you typing this? |
| 15:13.30 | ajavid | lol |
| 15:13.32 | Malle | starting the server ofc |
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| 15:13.34 | stew | Malle: why are you adding -d ? |
| 15:13.39 | Malle | it wont run without screen |
| 15:13.42 | stew | Malle: how do you know that nothing happens? |
| 15:13.43 | module000 | Malle: also, you are looking for -dmS...not mdS...typos are a bitch. |
| 15:13.53 | ajavid | it discorrents |
| 15:14.00 | ajavid | an already connected screen session |
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| 15:14.13 | ajavid | why though |
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| 15:14.26 | ajavid | s/r/n |
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| 15:14.45 | ajavid | this is not my morning , I'm going back into bed |
| 15:14.46 | ajavid | *afk* |
| 15:15.14 | Malle | stew because ps x says that its not running |
| 15:15.27 | greycat | try "ps ax" first. |
| 15:15.42 | Malle | still not show it |
| 15:15.48 | module000 | Malle: and pass screen valid arguments. you want -AdmS, not -AmdS |
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| 15:16.11 | Malle | module000 it worked before with that string |
| 15:16.17 | oskar- | hi, when a new version kernel image (linux-image-... ) is installed, aptitude does not call update-grub, as it should. where can i configure this? |
| 15:16.20 | module000 | Malle: man screen |
| 15:16.20 | Malle | and nothing happend when i swapped them either |
| 15:16.33 | greycat | oskar-: /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 15:17.19 | BurdWork | any ideas why logrotate monthly would be happening on the 5th of the month? |
| 15:17.29 | Malle | grr |
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| 15:18.23 | stew | BurdWork: what does "grep monthly /etc/crontab" return? |
| 15:18.30 | stew | oh |
| 15:18.32 | stew | logrotate |
| 15:19.06 | BurdWork | yah with the "monthy" directive in config it should rotate on the first day of the month when cron runs it's daily but it is happening on the 5th |
| 15:19.36 | stew | BurdWork: did logrotate run on the previous 4 days? |
| 15:19.39 | oskar- | greycat: thanks |
| 15:20.15 | BurdWork | stew: I am assuming yes because there are rotated files over the last few days |
| 15:20.29 | BurdWork | lemme check my logs to be sure |
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| 15:26.25 | BurdWork | yah it's running daily just like it should |
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| 15:27.18 | beardy | bbelt16ag: I'll give you an url in a /msg. |
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| 15:46.28 | ale-x | hi! |
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| 15:47.19 | SparFux | Hi all! In Debian unstable I have a problem to build zaptel modules with kernel 2.6.29-1-amd64. I do ma a-i zaptel and get this: http://paste.nerv.fi/24751205.txt |
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| 15:48.14 | Ab3le | hi is it possible to see a remote desktop via ssh but without vnc ? |
| 15:48.23 | jhanssen | hi guys, it's me again , needing a little help from yours. I am trying to share my 3G device through iptables but looks like the only ppp0 interface I have isn't enough to the iptables... |
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| 15:48.31 | greycat | Ab3le: if you just want to share a terminal session, you can look into screen -x |
| 15:48.57 | Ab3le | i see the terminal i'm guessing if i can see kde desktop too |
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| 15:49.09 | greycat | Then no, screen won't suffice. |
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| 15:49.16 | petemc | jhanssen: pastebin your iptables |
| 15:49.17 | Ab3le | ok |
| 15:49.19 | bstock | to see kde desktop you'll need vnc or similar protocol |
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| 15:49.28 | SparFux | Ah, known issue. |
| 15:49.34 | jhanssen | sure |
| 15:49.40 | bstock | may be able to do it with x-forwarding.. but not sure if that'd work, and that'd use more bandwidth then vnc |
| 15:50.33 | zxd | can anyone recommend on a very light weight gui mp3 playa |
| 15:50.44 | petemc | beep media player |
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| 15:50.55 | justin | bstock: x11vnc works well with ssh -C |
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| 15:51.26 | zxd | petemc: I am trying to remember why I used audacious instead of beep media playa |
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| 15:51.32 | ale-x | is there a way to list installed packages from a certain target? say all unstable or testing packages? |
| 15:51.57 | jhanssen | http://paste.nerv.fi/preview/37294605/jhanssen petemc |
| 15:52.03 | jhanssen | take a look on that.. |
| 15:52.07 | greycat | ale-x: once they're installed, they aren't marked as "unstable" any more |
| 15:52.21 | ale-x | so the answer is no? |
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| 15:52.30 | jhanssen | my ppp0 is up and running .. And I would like to share the connection with eth1 intergace |
| 15:52.41 | greycat | There's some funky aptitude stuff that I don't understand yet. |
| 15:52.47 | jhanssen | interface* |
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| 15:53.29 | ale-x | jhanssen: bridging? |
| 15:53.30 | jhanssen | I am getting iptables: No chain/target/match by that name. |
| 15:53.31 | jhanssen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:53.34 | jhanssen | ale-x, yeah |
| 15:54.28 | ale-x | jhanssen: you have to use your system as user or is bridging enough? |
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| 15:55.08 | gmap | what SUBSYSTEM does ttyACM0 belong to? (for udev rules). Does it belong to tty? |
| 15:55.24 | jhanssen | usb* |
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| 15:56.07 | jhanssen | I really don't know how that would be ... but... I would like to have connection on both box.. whatever needs to do .. But I did something like this on past for a "normal carrier" and that worked |
| 15:56.25 | petemc | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE |
| 15:56.30 | jhanssen | but now .. for my 3G device I really don't know why the ppp0 is not being recognized as a connection |
| 15:56.43 | jhanssen | petemc, yeah that line is falling out |
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| 15:57.03 | petemc | jhanssen: n |
| 15:57.03 | _entr0py | So, idling in #debian is no longer supported? |
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| 15:57.12 | petemc | jhanssen: that exact line, or your version of that line? |
| 15:57.15 | Talus_Laptop | greetings |
| 15:57.23 | jhanssen | that exact line... |
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| 15:57.39 | jhanssen | my other computer has the ip 192.168.0.2 |
| 15:57.40 | stew | _entr0py: there is no problem with idling in #debian, why do you ask? |
| 15:57.42 | SparFux | Concerning my previous question to not building zaptel kernel module: problem solved. The issue is already mentioned in http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-voip/zaptel/trunk/debian/patches/hrtimer_2628?pathrev=6683 |
| 15:57.46 | ale-x | jhanssen: I haven't tried that and i had serious iptables problems today, but I'd give bridge-utils a try |
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| 15:57.56 | petemc | bridge utils? |
| 15:57.59 | Talus_Laptop | could someone tell the debian's package name where i can find "ifconfig" ? |
| 15:58.02 | jhanssen | bridge utils ? |
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| 15:58.09 | greycat | Talus_Laptop: dpkg -S ifconfig |
| 15:58.18 | Eulex | !tell Talus_Laptop about search |
| 15:58.25 | ale-x | "brctyl addbr br0" and stuff |
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| 15:58.32 | ale-x | -y |
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| 15:58.38 | jhanssen | hey guys.... brb will share the connection from my windows box... need to work..... |
| 15:58.43 | _entr0py | debhelper kicked me & #debian-overflow said I am banned/kicked for this channel |
| 15:58.48 | jhanssen | Yeahh... will take a look on this ale-x thank you |
| 15:58.48 | _entr0py | from** |
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| 15:59.09 | greycat | _entr0py: if a lot of people join #debian all at once, some of them end up in the overflow. |
| 15:59.15 | petemc | jhanssen: the line you pasted was different from the one i pasted.. |
| 15:59.19 | stew | _entr0py: debhelper kicks people from #debian-overflow after 5 minutes. you certainly don't seem to be banned from this channel |
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| 15:59.35 | Talus_Laptop | thank you greycat :) |
| 15:59.39 | stew | _entr0py: if you are having trouble joining from some other account, /msg me from that account, I should be able to help you |
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| 16:00.08 | _entr0py | Thank you, stew! No, I have no trouble with other a/c |
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| 16:00.53 | stew | _entr0py: see PM |
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| 16:03.57 | SparFux | What does it mean, a problem is fixed in upstream zaptel? http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-voip-maintainers/2009-January/012945.html |
| 16:04.19 | unomi | !i forgot my password to postgres |
| 16:04.40 | EmleyMoor | SparFux: The next main version that hasn't yet made it to Debian fixes the problem |
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| 16:05.08 | stew | unomi: did you set one for the postgres user? if you could su to the postgres user, perhaps you can change the other user's password using the psotgres account |
| 16:05.36 | unomi | cheers, im now the postgres user |
| 16:05.43 | unomi | erm, now what :) |
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| 16:07.23 | SparFux | EmleyMoor: How can I install this version anyway? There is a svn tree. Are there tutorials how to install from svn? |
| 16:07.31 | ale-x | unomi: "passwd username" as root? |
| 16:07.38 | zxd | whats the difference between audio/mp3 and audio/x-mp3 |
| 16:08.11 | ale-x | postgresql users should be local system users in debian |
| 16:08.16 | unomi | ale-x that wouldnt change the pw for using posgresq? |
| 16:08.21 | unomi | ah? |
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| 16:08.44 | ale-x | I don't know of a password to postgres |
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| 16:08.49 | ale-x | only user/password |
| 16:09.15 | LTx | need a little advice |
| 16:09.17 | unomi | and those user/passwords are from /etc/passwd ?! |
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| 16:09.25 | LTx | i'm setting up a debian based NAS |
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| 16:09.49 | mario__ | hi |
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| 16:09.51 | LTx | my primary storage directory is going to be the root of a 3TB Raid 10 volume |
| 16:09.58 | jhan100 | now back ... ] |
| 16:10.16 | stew | unomi: run "psql" then in that shell run "alter role username password 'newpassword'; " |
| 16:10.22 | LTx | given this will be used for hosting cd and dvd isos, mp3s, and some dvr |
| 16:10.29 | stew | unomi: no, those password are not from /etc/passwd |
| 16:10.35 | LTx | what fs would i see the best performance with? |
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| 16:11.13 | LTx | reiserfs only seems to show its advantage when there are lots of very small files |
| 16:11.14 | unomi | thanks stew, was look for pg* commands |
| 16:11.27 | LTx | xfs the converse |
| 16:11.36 | LTx | ext3 a good option? |
| 16:11.40 | justin | LTx: yes |
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| 16:12.02 | LTx | justin: Thanks |
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| 16:12.04 | LTx | fyi |
| 16:12.10 | stew | LTx: the speed of the filesystem is not going to make a difference, any will be fast enough to keep up with a network link |
| 16:12.12 | LTx | this will be a true raid array |
| 16:12.17 | ale-x | unomi: lol, I thought that was the debian channel *g* |
| 16:12.18 | stew | LTx: (and when in doubt, use ext3) |
| 16:12.20 | LTx | not fakeraid |
| 16:12.32 | LTx | ok, well i'm on gigE |
| 16:12.46 | LTx | leads me to yet another question |
| 16:12.55 | LTx | best service for hosting the NAS? |
| 16:13.00 | LTx | samba (cifs) ? |
| 16:13.03 | LTx | NFS? |
| 16:13.07 | caotic | hoy can I take a look at an "apt-get" package configuration (assuming a .deb). The instalation + configuration paths arent consistent with the pkg online documentation |
| 16:13.19 | LTx | iscsi is nice, but only one client at a time |
| 16:14.02 | LTx | ok, i'll give ext3 a swing |
| 16:14.20 | LTx | maximum volume size for ext3 is far above 3tb right? |
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| 16:15.16 | LTx | and ext4... i've seen this floating around, really any better than ext3? |
| 16:15.28 | nibbler | not stable yet |
| 16:15.37 | LTx | ok |
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| 16:16.06 | LTx | so any opinions on what kind of nas service(S) to run? |
| 16:16.25 | stew | LTx: I believe it is 8TiB max fs size if you use the default block size of 4KiB |
| 16:16.30 | LTx | if most of my clients will be windows |
| 16:16.40 | stew | nibbler: what makes you say ext4 is not stable yet? |
| 16:16.43 | LTx | ok, cool, that is plenty |
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| 16:16.50 | jhan100 | Hey ale-x basically what's the difference between sharing to iptables and bridging util ? |
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| 16:17.09 | ale-x | jhan100: someone else will have to do the NAT?? |
| 16:17.18 | ale-x | if you want that |
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| 16:18.00 | LTx | so given that i don't care about ad authentication |
| 16:18.05 | LTx | performance wise |
| 16:18.12 | LTx | nfs vs samba |
| 16:18.24 | greycat | You can run both. |
| 16:18.34 | LTx | true |
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| 16:18.45 | LTx | i'd rather just run one though |
| 16:19.02 | LTx | if i can find that one is superior in speed |
| 16:20.05 | LTx | hmm, will probably be negligible |
| 16:20.13 | LTx | my gut says nfs will be faster |
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| 16:20.34 | jhan100 | ale-x, got it thanks |
| 16:20.59 | justin | LTx: nfs is faster until you enable krb5p :) |
| 16:21.19 | LTx | what's that? kerberos trash? |
| 16:21.20 | justin | and then even sshfs is faster and more reliable |
| 16:21.31 | justin | krb5p is the only way to run nfs securely |
| 16:22.01 | justin | I use nfs for streaming media at home, but sshfs for anything that requires r/w access |
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| 16:22.04 | LTx | i'm not too concerned about security, this nas will be confined to a lan that is well locked down |
| 16:22.14 | LTx | sshfs, never heard of that |
| 16:22.15 | justin | it's pretty sad, but nfs kinda sucks |
| 16:22.21 | LTx | any different than sftp? |
| 16:22.28 | greycat | sshfs is cool but unfortunately it's Linux-only |
| 16:22.29 | SparFux | Hello! Got another problem compiling zaptel-source on debian. I get this and cannot find a solution. : http://paste.nerv.fi/31376752.txt |
| 16:22.30 | justin | yes, it uses fuse to mount the filesystem |
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| 16:22.38 | justin | greycat: there is fuse for OS X |
| 16:22.47 | justin | greycat: and I think solaris people are working on fuse too |
| 16:22.48 | greycat | justin: but not for HP-UX 10.20 |
| 16:22.54 | LTx | i've found sftp to be slow |
| 16:22.56 | justin | haha |
| 16:23.03 | justin | greycat: does that even support nfs+krb5p? |
| 16:23.06 | LTx | obviously for an ftp, it runs in active mode only |
| 16:23.26 | LTx | and everything has to be encrypt / decrypt |
| 16:23.36 | greycat | justin: I know almost nothing about krb in general |
| 16:24.06 | justin | krb is 'enterprise'y |
| 16:24.19 | LTx | aka yucky |
| 16:24.27 | greycat | We're kinda 'academic'y. |
| 16:24.34 | LTx | i'm an NTLMv2 kinda guy |
| 16:24.40 | LTx | i've worked in academia |
| 16:24.51 | LTx | our windoze domains all used kerberos |
| 16:24.59 | justin | that's because AD is kerberos |
| 16:25.20 | anoHito | greycat is a linux guru. |
| 16:25.34 | anoHito | I know him/her a long long time ago.hmm. |
| 16:25.35 | LTx | ad is kerberos? |
| 16:25.39 | greycat | The requirements for guruhood must be less than I thought. |
| 16:25.46 | justin | well, kerberos+ldap |
| 16:25.47 | greycat | And I'm male. |
| 16:25.56 | anoHito | him* :) |
| 16:26.03 | LTx | ok |
| 16:26.22 | LTx | i used to work for penn state university |
| 16:26.27 | unomi | when doing 'select passwd from pg_user the passwds come back as stars, in psql, is there a way around that? |
| 16:26.41 | unomi | or are they stored as hashes internally? |
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| 16:26.48 | justin | unomi: pretty sure they are stored as hashes |
| 16:26.49 | LTx | justin what kind of academic beaurocracy are you involved with? |
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| 16:27.14 | justin | LTx: there is more than one kind? |
| 16:27.34 | LTx | lol from the few i've seen, nope |
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| 16:27.49 | greycat | How come I can only find #postgresqlfr and so on? And no obvious "main English postgres channel"? |
| 16:27.52 | LTx | haha, just some are more bought out by MS than others |
| 16:28.03 | LTx | penn state is so bought out by microsoft |
| 16:28.08 | Wormfood | what do I need to do, to instruct a program to look in particular directory for some of the libraries it needs? Isn't there something I can "set" to tell it where to look? (I have no root access) |
| 16:28.08 | justin | http://www.postgresql.org/community/irc |
| 16:28.18 | justin | Wormfood: LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 16:28.18 | unomi | cheers |
| 16:28.22 | greycat | Wormfood: LD_LIBRARY_PATH env var |
| 16:28.29 | greycat | Wormfood: see "man ld.so" and so on |
| 16:28.33 | Wormfood | yeah, thats what I was thinking of |
| 16:28.34 | Wormfood | thanks |
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| 16:29.03 | Wormfood | I didn't know what man page to look for...only thing I could think of was bash, and if course it had nothing |
| 16:29.08 | LTx | so a couple more questions for you gurus |
| 16:29.22 | justin | Wormfood: it's not really bash, it's libc |
| 16:29.27 | LTx | this nas i'm building, i've got abundant hardware to make a frankenstein |
| 16:29.35 | LTx | but don't want to waste resources |
| 16:29.49 | LTx | current machine i'm considering now has the following: |
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| 16:29.51 | Wormfood | I know justin but I still didn't know which manpage to read :P |
| 16:29.52 | greycat | justin: looks like #postgresql is private or invisible or god knows what. |
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| 16:30.15 | LTx | quad core core 2, 2.66ghz |
| 16:30.19 | LTx | 8gb ram |
| 16:30.46 | LTx | 3ware 4 port sata raid controller card |
| 16:30.57 | LTx | dual gigE NICs |
| 16:31.19 | rodna | I want to change my screen resolution I use KDE - and the xorg.conf does not show any place to place resolutions - if I right click on the desktop I have no choices to change the screen size (it does not even show the present resolution) or refresh rate - how can I change this ? |
| 16:31.22 | LTx | overkill? |
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| 16:31.38 | LTx | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:31.42 | LTx | xorgs |
| 16:31.55 | justin | LTx: my nas box/server is an old dell desktop with 2 external usb drives in raid1 :) |
| 16:32.06 | LTx | lol |
| 16:32.15 | justin | and even that is overkill |
| 16:32.28 | LTx | i'm well enough versed in linux to not need a gui |
| 16:32.29 | justin | i mostly use it over wireless, and usb array can do 30MB/s |
| 16:32.33 | LTx | i don't like them actually |
| 16:32.34 | greycat | rodna: Section "Screen" -> Subsection "Display" -> Modes "800x600" ... |
| 16:32.42 | LTx | so can i trim this thing down? |
| 16:33.03 | LTx | or just use something much less powerful (like p4 2ghz and 2gb ram) |
| 16:33.10 | justin | LTx: that's what mine is :) |
| 16:33.27 | rodna | !paste |
| 16:33.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 16:33.29 | LTx | lol |
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| 16:33.41 | LTx | i have all of these p4 boxes that take rdram |
| 16:33.43 | LTx | laying around |
| 16:33.48 | LTx | not enough CRIMMs |
| 16:33.57 | LTx | rambus was awful |
| 16:34.03 | justin | it was fast though |
| 16:34.21 | LTx | thats about all you could say that was good |
| 16:34.28 | rodna | here is the content of the xorg.conf # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file) |
| 16:34.28 | LTx | about the crap |
| 16:34.29 | rodna | # |
| 16:34.29 | rodna | # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using |
| 16:34.29 | rodna | # values from the debconf database. |
| 16:34.29 | rodna | # |
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| 16:34.40 | greycat | Failure. |
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| 16:35.21 | rodna | Option"UseFBDev""true" |
| 16:35.23 | rodna | EndSection |
| 16:35.25 | rodna | Section "Monitor" |
| 16:35.27 | rodna | Identifier"Configured Monitor" |
| 16:35.29 | rodna | EndSection |
| 16:35.30 | justin | rodna: which part of the paste factoid did you not understand? |
| 16:35.31 | rodna | Section "Screen" |
| 16:35.33 | rodna | Identifier"Default Screen" |
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| 16:35.37 | rodna | Monitor"Configured Monitor" |
| 16:35.38 | greycat | Apparently all of it. |
| 16:35.39 | geckosenator | hello |
| 16:35.39 | rodna | EndSection |
| 16:35.41 | rodna | sorry for the paste - http://paste.debian.net/35315/ |
| 16:35.44 | geckosenator | I need a custom shutdown script |
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| 16:35.48 | geckosenator | I have rc.local for startup |
| 16:36.17 | rodna | there is no modes in Display |
| 16:36.54 | module000 | geckosenator: what is the problem |
| 16:37.08 | geckosenator | I need to run a command at shutdown |
| 16:37.15 | greycat | he wants an rc.shutdown but Debian doesn't provide one |
| 16:37.27 | geckosenator | why do they not? |
| 16:37.27 | greycat | geckosenator: read /etc/init.d/README and learn how to use the System V init scripts |
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| 16:37.42 | deego | On an external mybook harddrive, I created a single ext3 partition using gparted .. (mounted, created test files, etc.) When I type cfdisk /dev/sdc, it still shows as free space. What could I be doing wrong? |
| 16:38.06 | geckosenator | so I need to make my own scripts.. |
| 16:38.07 | geckosenator | hmm |
| 16:38.16 | greycat | geckosenator: it's best in the long run anyway |
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| 16:38.48 | module000 | deego: and your mybook hd IS /dev/sdc...right? |
| 16:38.52 | geckosenator | well all of the existing scripts have a lot of extra crap in them |
| 16:38.55 | deego | module000: yes, absolutely. |
| 16:39.18 | deego | (and gparted shows the partition correctly). |
| 16:39.23 | module000 | deego: tried mounting it? |
| 16:39.36 | greycat | geckosenator: yeah, you can ignore most of it. all you really need to know is "make it executable, make it act when it receives 'stop' as $1, make a symlink to it from /etc/rc0.d and /etc/rc6.d and the symlink should start with a K" |
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| 16:40.11 | greycat | if it only does one thing (there's no 'start' action) then you can even skip the $1 checking. |
| 16:40.20 | greycat | although I wouldn't really recommend that |
| 16:40.27 | geckosenator | ok |
| 16:40.46 | geckosenator | I'm modifying rc.local to be able to stop |
| 16:41.01 | greycat | No, that won't work. |
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| 16:41.09 | deego | module000: yes, mounted and created files, etc. to test. |
| 16:41.14 | geckosenator | greycat: why not? |
| 16:41.24 | geckosenator | greycat: I modified it so it can take start and stop now |
| 16:41.40 | rodna | greycat and justin - I pasted the content of my xorg.conf the question is that there is no display section to mention the resolution I need (1400X900) - can anyone tell me where to change it ? |
| 16:41.42 | module000 | deego: likely your cfdisk is sporked if you can use the partition, and view it in parted |
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| 16:41.57 | greycat | /etc/rc.local is run by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is symlinked from /etc/rc[2345].d/S99rc.local |
| 16:41.59 | module000 | deego: you can view it in fdisk also? |
| 16:42.02 | TheCoffeMaker | Hi all .... just a simple question ... I downloaded the latest version of testing netinstall image ... when the install is booting it freezes my usb keyboard turning it unusable ... any clue (the keyboard is a M$ Natural Keyboard 4K - LatinAmerican distribution) |
| 16:42.12 | greycat | /etc/rc.local doesn't get any parameters (no 'stop' or 'start') |
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| 16:42.49 | geckosenator | greycat: I make it execute rc.local for start, and rc.shutdown for stop |
| 16:42.50 | deego | fdisk shows: Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite) |
| 16:43.02 | greycat | geckosenator: what are you editing, exactly? |
| 16:43.18 | deego | someone told me i should reattach the device for the kernel to scan it. , let me try. |
| 16:43.21 | greycat | geckosenator: and wouldn't it be a WHOLE lot easier just to make your own separate /etc/init.d/rc.shutdown? |
| 16:43.36 | geckosenator | I suppose I could do that |
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| 16:44.53 | geckosenator | well it's working, thanks |
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| 16:52.22 | jpinx-eeepc | Can anyone point out to me how to make apxs install an apache module? I've installed the relevant apache-*-dev but I get no such command when I try to run apxs, and I get that when I try to check by running httpd -l |
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| 16:52.40 | greycat | you want apache2-*-dev and you want apxs2 |
| 16:52.57 | greycat | unless you're on an older-than-stable Debian version |
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| 16:53.29 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: got those installed |
| 16:53.49 | jpinx-eeepc | the howo says runs httpd -l to chack but it give me no such commend |
| 16:53.59 | greycat | your howto is for red hat. stop reading it. |
| 16:54.07 | jpinx-eeepc | :( |
| 16:54.26 | jpinx-eeepc | it's the only howto I could find for apxs |
| 16:54.44 | jpinx-eeepc | http://www.cri.ensmp.fr/~coelho/mod_macro/#install |
| 16:54.52 | greycat | The command you want is apxs2 as I told you a moment ago. |
| 16:55.02 | stew | jpinx-eeepc: which module? |
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| 16:55.15 | jpinx-eeepc | been trying that greycat with no luck so far |
| 16:55.19 | anddam | hello |
| 16:55.29 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: it's in /usr/bin. |
| 16:55.32 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: mod_macro |
| 16:55.44 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: if you installed the correct apache2-*-dev package, you have /usr/bin/apxs2 and it should work. |
| 16:55.49 | ewet | hi, i cannot enable font hinting in kde, is there a way to do it manually (where is the cfg file?) |
| 16:55.54 | jpinx-eeepc | let me check... |
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| 16:56.20 | stew | jpinx-eeepc: "aptitude install libapache2-mod-macro && a2enmod macro" |
| 16:56.32 | greycat | Or that. |
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| 16:57.15 | anddam | can apt cache be accessed using aptitude rather than apt-cache? |
| 16:57.31 | stew | anddam: yes, "aptitude search foo" |
| 16:57.45 | anddam | steve: I wanted to replicate "apt-cache show" |
| 16:57.59 | anddam | stew: that was meant to you |
| 16:58.00 | stew | anddam: aptitude show packagename |
| 16:58.36 | anddam | stew: how counterintuitive, I would have never guessed ;-) |
| 16:58.46 | jpinx-eeepc | purges apache2 and starts again |
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| 16:59.07 | anddam | stew: I searched "cache" in aptitude man page and ended trying with extract-cache-subset |
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| 16:59.51 | jpinx-eeepc | apxs doesn't like any customised httpd.conf files |
| 17:00.10 | stew | jpinx-eeepc: why are you compiling mod_macro instead of just installing it using apt? |
| 17:00.29 | stew | jpinx-eeepc: (and note that the config files are owned by apache2.2-common, not apache2) |
| 17:00.33 | jpinx-eeepc | stew: 'cos that what people told me to do |
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| 17:00.57 | stew | jpinx-eeepc: well, I'd recommend "aptitude install libapache2-mod-macro && a2enmod macro" |
| 17:01.09 | jpinx-eeepc | my first question on irc was "is their a .deb for mod_macro?" and the answer was no |
| 17:01.25 | greycat | Where did you ask that? |
| 17:01.41 | stew | judd: info libapache2-mod-macro |
| 17:01.41 | judd | stew: libapache2-mod-macro (web): is extra; Version: 1.1.4-3.1; Size: 10.9k; Installed: 88k -- Create macros inside apache2 config files |
| 17:01.48 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: here and in #httpd |
| 17:01.51 | greycat | svr1a:~$ apt-cache search apache mod macro |
| 17:01.52 | greycat | libapache2-mod-macro - Create macros inside apache2 config files |
| 17:01.56 | jpinx-eeepc | I did judd |
| 17:02.00 | stew | jpinx-eeepc: i'm sorry, but you were misinformed |
| 17:02.07 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions mod_macro |
| 17:02.07 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: mod_macro -- |
| 17:02.30 | greycat | If you don't know the precise name of a package, you should start with "apt-cache search keyword keyword ...". |
| 17:02.31 | jpinx-eeepc | stew - it's ok - I learn a bit more |
| 17:02.32 | stew | judd: the package contining mod_macro is libapache2-mod-macro ; there is no package named mod_macro |
| 17:02.32 | judd | stew: Error: "the" is not a valid command. |
| 17:02.48 | stew | err... |
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| 17:03.18 | jelly-hme | fails the turing test. |
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| 17:03.25 | jpinx-eeepc | I have apxs installed and I did the apxs nstall of the module, can I roll back and do it the debian way? |
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| 17:04.08 | justin | judd: what are you? |
| 17:04.09 | judd | justin: Error: "what" is not a valid command. |
| 17:04.20 | justin | well, it's not a blootbot |
| 17:04.28 | stew | justin: its a supybot |
| 17:04.33 | justin | python ftw |
| 17:04.39 | greycat | 13:04 ircname : Supybot 0.83.3 |
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| 17:05.45 | jpinx-eeepc | purges apache2-prefork-dev |
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| 17:06.02 | wsxws | hi all |
| 17:06.02 | greycat | that won't remove the modules that apxs2 built |
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| 17:07.09 | wsxws | is there a way to create a pw-protected file, which i can use for (secret) notices ? |
| 17:07.26 | greycat | wsxws: you can encrypt a file with gpg |
| 17:07.42 | greycat | use the symmetric cipher stuff |
| 17:08.04 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: ok - but I'll try it stew 's way now |
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| 17:09.17 | wsxws | this will encrypt my file, but when i wanna view/edit it, i have to decrypt it first, right ? |
| 17:09.47 | jpinx-eeepc | maybe it'll not choke on the custom httpd included files |
| 17:10.36 | flami | Hi Im running unstable , and for some reason aiglx doesn work anymore. glxinfo says: direct rendering: Yes , but aiglx clains that my screen is not DRI capable. any idea where i could start investigating the problem? |
| 17:10.39 | jpinx-eeepc | stew: I'm getting "bash: a2enmod: command not found" from your install suggestion - anything I should do? |
| 17:10.55 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:11.51 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: 5.0.1 |
| 17:12.00 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: apache2-common provides a2enmod in /usr/sbin |
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| 17:12.09 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: are you trying that command as root ? |
| 17:12.27 | jpinx-eeepc | which command abrotman ? |
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| 17:12.48 | greycat | The one that you said failed. |
| 17:12.50 | abrotman | a2enmod |
| 17:12.53 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: all installs are as root |
| 17:13.09 | abrotman | that wasn't an install .. but okay |
| 17:13.28 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: sudo aptitude install libapache2-mod-macro && a2enmod macro |
| 17:13.29 | greycat | maybe he typed "sudo aptitude install ... && a2enmod" |
| 17:13.32 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: show the command you tried + the error |
| 17:13.36 | greycat | is smart! |
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| 17:13.44 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: the sudo ends at the && |
| 17:13.44 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: sudo aptitude ... && sudo a2enmod |
| 17:13.50 | nkuttler | wsxws: if you use a proper editor you can configure it to decrypt before editing |
| 17:13.50 | jpinx-eeepc | I copied what stew gave me |
| 17:13.56 | abrotman | !blame stew |
| 17:13.56 | dpkg | blames jameswhite and stew for the end of life as we know it |
| 17:14.09 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: ok - wait up |
| 17:14.11 | enouf | not Barry? |
| 17:14.16 | abrotman | nope |
| 17:14.17 | pickcoder | stew did not say to use sudo |
| 17:14.28 | pickcoder | you should be logged in as root.. this isn't Ubuntu |
| 17:14.36 | abrotman | !unblame stew |
| 17:14.40 | greycat | pickcoder: I'd disagree. |
| 17:14.43 | stew | what does ubuntu have to do with anything? |
| 17:14.49 | pickcoder | greycat: terrific |
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| 17:14.56 | greycat | But he could have an "su" shell, in which case stew's commands would have worked. |
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| 17:15.00 | jpinx-eeepc | I use sudo - sorry if that confuses the issue |
| 17:15.01 | nkuttler | pickcoder: sudo > root shell |
| 17:15.14 | enouf | ... |
| 17:15.14 | azeem | but only if you're on Debian |
| 17:15.16 | pickcoder | and a console login as root is a root shell |
| 17:15.24 | azeem | if you're on Ubuntu, you're lame anyway! |
| 17:15.28 | stew | jpinx-eeepc: i gave you two commands, separated by &&, both need to be run as root |
| 17:15.32 | jpinx-eeepc | W00t success -> Run '/etc/init.d/apache2 restart' to activate new configuration! |
| 17:15.36 | abrotman | nkuttler: only if used responsibly (in both cases) .. which doesn't seem to be the case very often |
| 17:15.44 | jpinx-eeepc | stew: thanks |
| 17:15.45 | nkuttler | abrotman: yeah, i implied that |
| 17:15.48 | jpinx-eeepc | all good now:) |
| 17:15.54 | abrotman | nkuttler: you did? |
| 17:15.57 | nkuttler | properly configured sudo > root shell |
| 17:16.20 | abrotman | nkuttler: sadly .. the "properly configured" part isn't usually there ... |
| 17:16.43 | pickcoder | ALL: NOPASSWD is not "properly configured" either |
| 17:16.45 | stew | you are trying to redirect stdout of sudo into root shell? |
| 17:16.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, not so much, just that ubuntu prefers sudo and all their howtos and tutorials reflect that (while Debian does not - it's not even in the default install, I think) |
| 17:17.02 | pickcoder | which is why I don't bother with sudo on local machines |
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| 17:18.04 | jpinx-eeepc | as a matter of interest I was told that I'd have to install a raft of bloat for apt-file to work. Is that normal? |
| 17:18.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | a raft of bloat... |
| 17:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | canoe? |
| 17:18.34 | stew | judd: depends apt-file |
| 17:18.35 | judd | stew: apt-file -- Depends: perl, wget | curl, libconfig-file-perl, libapt-pkg-perl, liblist-moreutils-perl |
| 17:18.36 | jpinx-eeepc | I don't have sdd space for so much stuff |
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| 17:18.54 | stew | jpinx-eeepc: ws it more than a couple of perl modules? |
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| 17:19.28 | pickcoder | the "bloat" is probably the file indexing |
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| 17:19.46 | jpinx-eeepc | pickcoder: yes |
| 17:20.14 | stew | jpinx-eeepc: yes, for apt-file to be able to search for contents of packages, it has to download lists of contents of packages |
| 17:20.24 | ranamalo_ | I have loading balancing on two dsl lines going on on my router. The problem is that sometimes one of the interfaces stops transmitting, i believe it to be a problem of my ISP, but I have to restart the interface (ifdown ifup). Does anyone know of a tool that could send a ping out a certain interface and do an ifdown ifup on that interface if there is no response to the ping? Or any other suggestions to solve my problem? |
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| 17:20.57 | jpinx-eeepc | stew: yep - ok - I didn't, even thought it's be useful sometimes when looking for where some obscure (to me) command lives |
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| 17:21.22 | nkuttler | ranamalo_: sounds like a cronjob |
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| 17:21.59 | pickcoder | ranamalo_: are you doing QoS by marking packets? |
| 17:22.01 | ranamalo_ | nkuttler: like how? I know how to do cronjobs, but what do you have in mind? |
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| 17:22.30 | ranamalo_ | pickcoder: a little traffic shaping but not much else |
| 17:22.47 | nkuttler | ranamalo_: something like ping -I foo -c 1; check exit status, act accordingly |
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| 17:23.11 | nkuttler | ranamalo_: well, that would fail if the host you're trying to ping is down |
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| 17:23.53 | ranamalo_ | nkuttler: yeah but if I do google they are always up |
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| 17:24.08 | pickcoder | ranamalo_: not if there's a fiber break in the middle |
| 17:24.11 | nkuttler | ranamalo_: if you dns works... i guess |
| 17:24.46 | ranamalo_ | but if they were down it would restart the interface every five minutes or however often the cronjob runs |
| 17:25.42 | pickcoder | you really shouldn't rely on pings for it |
| 17:25.46 | ranamalo_ | nkuttler: i have dns caching on the router |
| 17:25.59 | ranamalo_ | pickcoder: you mean like a large physically problem between us and google? |
| 17:25.59 | pickcoder | is there anyway you can set up a relay server outside? |
| 17:26.15 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm retracing some of the steps I took with this install of mod_macro and apt-cache search does not show it on one machine, but does on another - what gives? |
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| 17:27.11 | ranamalo_ | pickcoder: what would you suggest instead of pings? |
| 17:27.25 | pickcoder | a real data test |
| 17:27.43 | pickcoder | grab a small file |
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| 17:27.52 | pickcoder | set up a bounce point and send packets back to yourself |
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| 17:28.27 | ranamalo_ | pickcoder: i could set up a virtual server connected to our third dsl line that I use for tests |
| 17:28.40 | ranamalo_ | pickcoder: what like an ftp server? |
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| 17:28.44 | pickcoder | and what if line 3 is down? |
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| 17:29.04 | pickcoder | grab the google index page |
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| 17:29.10 | ranamalo_ | pickcoder: yeah that would be bad. we also have a hosting |
| 17:29.12 | pickcoder | if that fails, grab another site |
| 17:29.18 | tedge | hi. how connect to qemu with -vnc in through web server ..? |
| 17:29.41 | ranamalo_ | pickcoder: with wget? |
| 17:29.45 | pickcoder | sure |
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| 17:29.54 | part1zan_ | wget is sweet, yeah |
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| 17:30.48 | acu1 | where is the resolution on X11 configured - later xorg.conf does not have such entries - it is so confusing - and frustrating that even the simplest task of having the resolution of the screen cannot be done if it is not detected by the system properly - I used to know howto configure xorg.conf - now all the sweat made it useless - can anyone illuminate me in this matter |
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| 17:31.20 | ranamalo_ | pickcoder: I'm a bit rusty on my bash scripting, do you have a suggestion of a good site to re pass over the basics? |
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| 17:31.40 | acu1 | does it matter if is kdm or gdm ? |
| 17:31.51 | acu1 | for the resolution to be recognized ? |
| 17:31.53 | xulfer | Does anyone know why in apache2 index.php files would work in every directory except the document root? |
| 17:32.13 | cahoot | acu1: disable readEDID and use a modeline (made by f ex gtf)? |
| 17:32.30 | anddam | is there an interface app to enable/disable services in runlevels? |
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| 17:32.40 | stew | xulfer: what happens in the document root? |
| 17:32.50 | xulfer | I get an option to download the file. |
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| 17:33.02 | xulfer | This is a default install as well. No virtual hosts, no nothing |
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| 17:33.25 | CuteAlien | hi. Afer dist-upgrade X starts no longer and re-installing my (proprietary) nvidea driver fails installing. It can't load the module anymore. Anyone has me a link to a solution? |
| 17:34.33 | ranamalo_ | pickcoder: thanks for helping me brainstorm |
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| 17:35.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | CuteAlien, try to load the module and look in dmesg | tail |
| 17:35.36 | acu1 | CuteAlien: you can try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (but this needs a lot of prayer and luck - since it may detect a lower resolution than the actual monitor can do ) then you are in my sit - so stay around |
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| 17:35.58 | jintxo | anddam, there's update-rc.d, but whatever you disable will be re-enabled on upgrades and then I hear there's also rcconf, never used it myself. |
| 17:36.05 | acu1 | other recomendations are use xrandr lxrandr etc |
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| 17:36.10 | anddam | jintxo: thanks |
| 17:36.18 | part1zan_ | etchPRSN: again?)) |
| 17:36.47 | etchPRSN | is a bot, following part1zan... |
| 17:36.58 | acu1 | cutealien: or go as root and type startx - see if you get at all in X |
| 17:36.58 | part1zan_ | etchPRSN: a spy-bot? |
| 17:37.14 | part1zan_ | and. i am part1zan_ not part1zan ;) |
| 17:37.17 | CuteAlien | acu1, I think I can't do that anymore - but I can give it a try. |
| 17:37.23 | etchPRSN | errr... uhhh... yea, you could say spybot... sure :--) |
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| 17:37.49 | part1zan_ | etchPRSN: so that's what the long 'nose' of your smileys is for... |
| 17:37.56 | CuteAlien | It seems the problem is that it can't build the driver anymore. There is some problem with a change in headers. |
| 17:38.13 | SparFux | How to build zaptel.tar.bz2 from svn trunk? http://packages.qa.debian.org/z/zaptel.html |
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| 17:38.41 | part1zan_ | zaptel, lol |
| 17:38.46 | part1zan_ | looks like captcha |
| 17:38.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | CuteAlien, pastebin some errors... like when you're building if you think that's the problem |
| 17:39.03 | CuteAlien | I already found a little info - but as always people mix up discussing proprietary and open-source driver and the result is just confusing ^^ |
| 17:39.04 | etchPRSN | actually, Im wondering if there is a ready to go setting in Etch to get me out of the windows style screen manager... the popups make too much extra work dismissing them |
| 17:39.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | etchPRSN, just use a different window manager? |
| 17:39.35 | part1zan_ | etchPRSN: what screen manager do you mean? gdm? |
| 17:40.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, after reading it a 2nd time I also start to wonder what he means |
| 17:40.49 | etchPRSN | CutMeOwnThroat right... but would that be in the which menu ? |
| 17:40.49 | part1zan_ | doesn't `sudo mv /etc/rc2.d/SXXgdm /etc/rc2.d/KXXgdm` help? |
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| 17:40.49 | part1zan_ | ah, i see |
| 17:40.49 | acu1 | cahoot: your sentence was like an uppercut: where is this readEDID etc... |
| 17:40.49 | CuteAlien | That's the error-log: http://rafb.net/p/g1agpF56.html |
| 17:40.59 | part1zan_ | etchPRSN: use fluxbox :) |
| 17:41.29 | part1zan_ | fluxbox, irssi, xterm, screen |
| 17:41.29 | CuteAlien | I did build with: CC=gcc-4.1; sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.51-pkg1.run |
| 17:41.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | etchPRSN, what "popups" are you talking about? is this kde? |
| 17:41.39 | etchPRSN | part1zan_ right... actually, I did get an older blackbox installed |
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| 17:42.05 | acu1 | CuteAlien: did you recompile the driver ? - at the upgrade - the kernel most probably is different |
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| 17:42.30 | etchPRSN | CutMeOwnThroat well my current window manger popups for different things... whenever a CD is loaded for instance... but Id rather handle those from terminal |
| 17:42.33 | cahoot | acu1: meant no harm - like Option "UseEDID" "false" |
| 17:42.34 | part1zan_ | hmm, couldn't you recommend something to build from sources? |
| 17:42.46 | CuteAlien | acu1, that's what the nvidia-installer usually does. Or so I think... and I tried re-installing that. On failing I got the newest fomr their homepage and tried again with same result. |
| 17:43.00 | etchPRSN | not KDE nope |
| 17:43.03 | part1zan_ | etchPRSN: as we say, "our man" :) |
| 17:43.19 | part1zan_ | (although you're a spybot following me) |
| 17:43.25 | etchPRSN | lol |
| 17:43.26 | CuteAlien | acu1, the errorlog I posted is from trying to run that. |
| 17:43.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | CuteAlien, "nvidia: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module" hm |
| 17:44.08 | CuteAlien | yeah - that one |
| 17:44.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | etchPRSN, oh, that's not the WM itself... that's some KDE or gnome helper app doing it |
| 17:45.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | etchPRSN, well... at least I think so, but all that is loaded together when you use KDE |
| 17:45.18 | epsas | win 1 |
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| 17:45.29 | CuteAlien | actually - if there is a way just to get to old version that is also fine by me... |
| 17:45.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | etchPRSN, try openbox, perhaps... that's nice and very simple |
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| 17:45.32 | jintxo | CuteAlien, no expert here, but do you have the version of kernel header that matches your running kernel? it seems the module compiles but doesn't load |
| 17:45.40 | acu1 | CuteAlien: gosh - I had the same problem and forgot what I did -CuteAlien: I have seen the errorlog - needs more inteligence than I have :) - I usually try brute force - and avoid using the nvidia - actually I am in the same situation now - I upgraded - and I get 1024x768 but I want 1400x900 - but debianers who took care of desktop and xorg have manage to make things almost imposible to fix :) |
| 17:46.01 | etchPRSN | CutMeOwnThroat hmm.. sounds good... will look for it, and thx |
| 17:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | etchPRSN, aptitude install openbox, then you should be able to select it at the graphical login with gdm or kdm |
| 17:46.14 | CuteAlien | jintxo, I'm not sure - will the headers be updated on dist-upgrade? |
| 17:46.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | etchPRSN, perhaps you'll find it too simple :) |
| 17:46.18 | avuton | If I remove a repository that had a package with a number of packages that were higher versioned, is there anyway to downgrade to packages only of what I have in my current apt repositories? |
| 17:46.18 | enouf | etchPRSN: what is set as default in update-alternatives --list x-window-manager ? |
| 17:46.19 | etchPRSN | ahh good |
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| 17:46.41 | CuteAlien | acu1, can't avoid using that. I'm a 3d programmer... |
| 17:46.48 | etchPRSN | enouf havent looked (and, Im not at home, so blah :) |
| 17:46.55 | acu1 | CuteAlien: did you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg than type startx |
| 17:47.03 | enouf | acu1: cvt can generate a mode line for you if needed |
| 17:47.10 | CuteAlien | acu1, no not yet - have to reboot for that. I'll try now. |
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| 17:47.46 | enouf | acu1: some xrandr info; /msg dpkg dual monitors |
| 17:48.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | CuteAlien, set LANG=C before compiling stuff like "In function ‘prefetch_range’:" looks like you have a problem with locales |
| 17:48.13 | myeggo | hi, exists something like audacity but for videos? |
| 17:48.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/compiling/compiling -/ |
| 17:48.25 | etchPRSN | CutMeOwnThroat too simple... no such thing... I liked ICE... just cant stomach all that imitation windows function |
| 17:48.29 | part1zan_ | оÑ
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| 17:48.30 | enouf | myeggo: usually VLC or ... |
| 17:48.38 | myeggo | for editing |
| 17:48.43 | enouf | well .. you mean an editor? |
| 17:48.46 | myeggo | yes |
| 17:48.57 | enouf | GUI i gather? |
| 17:49.04 | myeggo | yes |
| 17:49.10 | enouf | FinalCut Pro :-p |
| 17:49.15 | abrotman | mmm .. CLI vide editing |
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| 17:49.24 | abrotman | myeggo: kino or cinelerla |
| 17:49.28 | acu1 | enouf: where exactly the resolution is kept in the x11 - it used to be on xorg.conf - not anymore |
| 17:49.29 | myeggo | okay, i go search, thank you for the clue & abrotman, i go see them too |
| 17:49.30 | abrotman | uhm .. but spell the second one correctly |
| 17:49.36 | enouf | cinelerra |
| 17:49.42 | abrotman | yeah .. that! |
| 17:49.57 | enouf | acu1: you can set the res in there |
| 17:49.59 | greycat | acu1: if it's not specified in xorg.conf then it'll be guessed by the X server at run time |
| 17:50.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | etchPRSN, well... apt-cache search window manager ... take your pick |
| 17:50.10 | enouf | acu1: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:50.35 | enouf | acu1: for driver name - | less for all else, or grep other things |
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| 17:51.58 | acu1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 17:52.26 | part1zan_ | oh, pastebin |
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| 17:52.34 | part1zan_ | at rusnet, we also use it |
| 17:52.46 | etchPRSN | wonders if 2 lines, each line of which is 2,000 words long, would be considered a pasteflood |
| 17:52.56 | acu1 | enouf: it seem that is loading Vesa (here is the link from the grep) http://paste.debian.net/35323/ |
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| 17:53.10 | greycat | IRC lines are limited to ~250 bytes |
| 17:53.14 | a-v | Hello. Why does Debian ignore my settings in /etc/security/limits.conf? Is there a different way to limit the number of processes? |
| 17:53.21 | etchPRSN | ah |
| 17:53.27 | Vyrus001 | sugestions on enterprise level gpg key servers? preferebly pure www? |
| 17:53.41 | acu1 | greycat - I added resolution in xorg.conf but nothing happened |
| 17:53.46 | acu1 | leme boot again |
| 17:53.55 | greycat | a-v: first of all, make sure your login path is actually *using* that file (in /etc/pam.d/*) |
| 17:54.10 | greycat | a-v: second, note that a root process can change the limits |
| 17:54.23 | a-v | greycat, what is "login path"? |
| 17:54.24 | nkuttler | acu1: no need to reboot to restart x |
| 17:54.40 | acu1 | what should I do |
| 17:54.55 | greycat | a-v: e.g. if you login on a console with /bin/login, it reads /etc/pam.d/login; then your shell is a child of that, and therefore it inherits the limits you set; and then you run "startx", which inherits from the shell; and so on |
| 17:55.09 | nkuttler | acu1: /etc/init.d/[gkx]dm restart |
| 17:55.11 | greycat | a-v: if you're talking about a cron job or something, it *does not* go through /etc/pam.d/login and all that |
| 17:55.31 | nkuttler | acu1: or stop and use startx |
| 17:55.44 | a-v | greycat, I tried running a fork bomb in a regular shell that is started after console login, and it succeeded |
| 17:55.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | acu1, or ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 17:55.50 | greycat | !quotes > grkblood2 |
| 17:55.54 | greycat | sorry, wrong channel |
| 17:56.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
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| 17:56.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | a-v, try ulimit -a first, next time |
| 17:56.58 | greycat | a-v: in bash, you can use "ulimit -a" to see the limits |
| 17:56.59 | a-v | greycat, actually, thanks for the hint - I started the process I want to limit from my program that is running as root, so I can just call setrlimit() :) |
| 17:57.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | (supposing you're using bash) |
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| 18:00.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | where is the aptitude-fu stuff documented? "[...]as described in the section "Search Patterns" in the aptitude reference manual." - that's something else but the manpage? |
| 18:00.57 | themill | !aptitude docs |
| 18:00.57 | dpkg | Documentation for aptitude can be found in the aptitude-doc package (to see the languages in which it is available, apt-cache showpkg aptitude-doc) or at http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/index.html . Also ask me about <aptitude search><aptitude-build-dep><aptitude clone><aptitude-fu>, or <aptitude debug> |
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| 18:01.00 | enouf | acu1: and lspci -nn | grep VGA says? |
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| 18:01.37 | enouf | wonders if vesa even does 1400x900 or whatever that craptop mode is |
| 18:01.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, thanks, didn't see that one |
| 18:01.55 | nkuttler | enouf: it does 1400x1050 for me |
| 18:01.59 | acu1 | enouf: 00:12.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7150M [10de:0531] (rev a2) |
| 18:02.14 | nkuttler | acu1: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:02.43 | enouf | acu1: so .. have you been toying with nvidia binary blobs? i mean why aren't you using 'nv' instead of vesa? |
| 18:02.43 | greycat | vesa doesn't know about 1400xanything AFAIK |
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| 18:03.08 | nkuttler | greycat: it does |
| 18:03.28 | nkuttler | (II) VESA(0): Setting up VESA Mode 0x144 (1400x1050) |
| 18:03.36 | a-v | yay, it worked - thanks, greycat, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 18:04.03 | CuteAlien | Is there any way to revert the changes I got from the last dist-upgrade? |
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| 18:04.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | !downgrade |
| 18:04.23 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 18:04.25 | nkuttler | CuteAlien: reinstall? how much did you dist-upgrade? |
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| 18:05.15 | greycat | nkuttler: are you using special hack programs like "855resolution" to do that? |
| 18:05.20 | CuteAlien | well - the problem is X and nvidia. I find currently no way to get that running again, so if I could rever that somehow I would be happy. |
| 18:05.43 | enouf | 0x144? how odd |
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| 18:05.53 | acu1 | !paste |
| 18:05.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 18:06.14 | nkuttler | greycat: never heard of that. just xorg |
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| 18:06.40 | acu1 | nkuttler et al. http://paste.debian.net/35325/ |
| 18:06.44 | greycat | maybe the new xorg has built-in chipset-dependent hackery |
| 18:06.46 | nkuttler | !tell acu1 about msg the bot |
| 18:06.53 | Nokio | Hi all, On a debian i want to configure a serial console. I added the following on my debian "" http://pastebin.com/d3c213181 "" Then on the client side using minicom -s i configure it to pass through the device ttyUSB0 ( i use an adapter) and i cant get a login screen ... |
| 18:07.07 | enouf | greycat: not sure if you're thinkin of 915resolution (which has been deprecated) |
| 18:07.09 | themill | greycat: 915resolution is built into xorg these days so perhaps that's happened here too |
| 18:07.09 | nkuttler | greycat: actually, it broke with the latest xorg upgrade in sid and i had to add sync + refresh |
| 18:07.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | CuteAlien, just fix it... did you try 'export LANG=C' before compiling? |
| 18:07.46 | enouf | nkuttler: can you get that mode in Console? vga= ? |
| 18:07.47 | greycat | enouf: the first Google hits I got when I typed vesa 1400x came up with 855resolution which I'm sure is a variant of the same thing |
| 18:07.55 | enouf | greycat: righto |
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| 18:08.24 | acu1 | Cute |
| 18:08.28 | CuteAlien | CutMeOwnThroat, I already tried fixing it for an hour before I showed up here :-(. And no - I didn't hear about that one yet - I'll try |
| 18:08.34 | nkuttler | enouf: no idea |
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| 18:08.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | CuteAlien, you did... I said so ... 15 minutes or so ago |
| 18:08.52 | CuteAlien | acu1, I did the reconfigure stuff already - that did not work |
| 18:08.58 | enouf | well, fwiw, i also hear the latest thing is uvesafb ... but ok |
| 18:09.22 | enouf | nkuttler: try it sometime, and report back ;-) http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-bios-extensions?cat=technology |
| 18:09.38 | dustybin | how can i create a csr? |
| 18:09.54 | acu1 | Alien: hang around - if I get help you get it too - because I am trying to figure out how to manage that - it used to be easier - just modify xorg.conf - is not anymore since I think the xorg.conf got split in more files (I guess) |
| 18:09.56 | greycat | A caesar salad with no vowels, and no salad? |
| 18:10.04 | nkuttler | acu1: (II) VESA(0): Not using mode "1400x900" (no mode of this name)... looks like a config problem, google it |
| 18:10.21 | acu1 | CuteAlien: did you try startX immediately after you did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:10.25 | acu1 | as root |
| 18:10.31 | CuteAlien | acu1, yes, I tried that. |
| 18:10.50 | CuteAlien | a few times actually :-) |
| 18:10.57 | nkuttler | acu1: actually, iirc it's the same error i got with the latest xorg, i added sync + refresh, now resolution is fine |
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| 18:11.35 | CuteAlien | but I reboot and try doing the: export LANG=c which I obviously missed last time |
| 18:11.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | CuteAlien, also, you get less cluttered errors when you run "cd ./usr/src/nv; make module SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux SYSOUT=/usr/src/linux" directly and twice (because all compiles that worked the 1st time will not produce output anymore) |
| 18:11.43 | greycat | CuteAlien: C should be capitalized |
| 18:11.47 | enouf | judd: pciid 10de:0531 |
| 18:11.49 | judd | enouf: [10de:0531] is 'C67 [GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0531 |
| 18:11.54 | enouf | heh |
| 18:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | gorn |
| 18:12.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | why would he reboot? |
| 18:12.07 | greycat | Windows. |
| 18:12.08 | CuteAlien | greycat, ups, thx. |
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| 18:12.13 | greycat | It breaks people's brains. |
| 18:12.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | CuteAlien, no need to reboot |
| 18:12.19 | nkuttler | enouf: will try on next boot |
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| 18:12.34 | CuteAlien | CutMeOwnThroat, well... I have to get in the system.. it's not working right now. |
| 18:12.35 | acu1 | CuteAlien: what i found strange - if you would get the latest Lenny and install it from scratch it will detect the proper settings - however since you care about 3D most probably you need to use NVidia drivers - I used to have the same issues you have now - I forgot how I overcame them - I need only to make it show 1400X900 that is all - and have no time to reinstall everything |
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| 18:14.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | CuteAlien, and actually yeah... if you're too frustrated now switch to the vesa or nv module... that'll probably be good enough for until you fix the nvidia one |
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| 18:14.36 | CuteAlien | CutMeOwnThroat, not good enough unfortunately. My job is 3D programmer ... |
| 18:14.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | (also, you can test without stopping X running startx -- :1 ) |
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| 18:15.01 | CuteAlien | well I can't - because X does not run |
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| 18:15.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | it would if you used vesa/nv |
| 18:15.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah |
| 18:15.41 | greycat | #xorg and #nvidia may also be helpful |
| 18:15.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | sometimes feels he's speaking esparanto |
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| 18:15.59 | nkuttler | !comfort CutMeOwnThroat |
| 18:15.59 | dpkg | There, there, CutMeOwnThroat. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 18:16.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | aaah :) |
| 18:16.12 | KavanS | !comfort KavanS |
| 18:16.12 | dpkg | There, there, KavanS. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:16.18 | KavanS | fuck yeah, I can comfort myself |
| 18:16.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | cuddles dpkg, hoping (s)he's female today |
| 18:16.21 | jetpda | !nvidia |
| 18:16.21 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 18:16.22 | CuteAlien | well, I can't stop it if I can't start it, but still thanks for hints. I'm gonna try them now. brb ;) |
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| 18:16.34 | jetpda | nvidia np btw |
| 18:16.45 | asulao | hello. anyone using php5-odbc on lenny amd64 ? it's crashing on me with very simple queries, like select * from test.t1 |
| 18:16.49 | jetpda | !nvrun |
| 18:16.49 | dpkg | For a quick nvidia-installer how-to, try http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt Please note that #debian does not support the nvidia-installer, ask for assistance in #nvidia , if need be. |
| 18:16.52 | CuteAlien | jetpda, no it's not supported. But hte only way to get 3D working I found so far. |
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| 18:17.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | starts digging CuteAliens grave |
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| 18:18.15 | greycat | Best way to "get 3D" is to buy an older Radeon card. |
| 18:18.26 | jetpda | goes to sleep |
| 18:18.48 | enouf | nkuttler: ok - cool |
| 18:18.55 | jetpda | *not* radeon x300 btw |
| 18:19.34 | enouf | greycat: the r5xx x1900xt does well even |
| 18:19.45 | enouf | (at this point) |
| 18:20.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, btw. why is the sid faq "<i>especially</i> aimed at Slashdot readers"? |
| 18:20.12 | greycat | my desktop box at home has a Chipset: "ATI Radeon 9200 5961 (AGP)" (ChipID = 0x5961) |
| 18:20.16 | greycat | whatever that is. |
| 18:20.39 | greycat | CutMeOwnThroat: Um. Whatever the reason was, it was so many years ago that I can't remember off hand. |
| 18:20.47 | jetpda | misses his nvidia card |
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| 18:21.15 | enouf | greycat: man radeon should tell you the rNNN |
| 18:21.31 | greycat | I didn't know there was a manual. Nice. |
| 18:21.41 | enouf | yes, but up to the 9250 IIRC was fully supported .. until .. amd released some specs |
| 18:21.52 | jetpda | I've already tried fglrx 3 yim |
| 18:22.00 | jetpda | timmes |
| 18:22.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | fair enough, I guess that was around woody=stable |
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| 18:32.02 | CuteAlien | thx everyone. I'm back on lenny and X works :-) |
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| 18:33.27 | CuteAlien | Just for info (in case more people will ask): problem were as someone has hinted the headers. Those don't get updated by dist-upgrade because they are in a new package. And also header link get's not updated automatically. After fixing that I could use normal nvidia installer from their homepage. |
| 18:33.40 | DevilChaos | hi having slight problems with bluetooth i cant pair devices but am able to use kbtobex ftp client is there something im missing? |
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| 18:34.01 | Jalapan | so i have phpmyadmin installed and php5 is installed but when i try to go to url/phpmyadmin i get "choose program to open this with" |
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| 18:35.39 | Bert_2 | anyone else experiencing problems with updating (DNS seems to be broken but I'm not sure whether it's me or something else) ? |
| 18:36.16 | justin | Bert_2: problems? |
| 18:36.35 | DevilChaos | updates are going through just now what server are you trying to use? |
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| 18:36.51 | Bert_2 | justing: Termorary failure resolving... |
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| 18:36.55 | CuteAlien | Bert_2, yeah - check your sources.list. Everywhere wher you have like: ftp.debian.org replace it with ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 18:37.07 | CuteAlien | That worked at least for me |
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| 18:37.41 | markybob | security.debian.org down? |
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| 18:37.47 | xushi_ | hi all |
| 18:37.57 | xushi_ | this is really driving me mad.. i could appreciate advice.. how do i let any file/folder created by any user in a directory by chmodded to 775 automatically? and possibly owned to a specific group `users` ? |
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| 18:38.07 | greycat | xushi_: set the user's umask to 002 |
| 18:38.21 | Bert_2 | CuteAlien: sure you want me to change this: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 18:38.29 | greycat | xushi_: and for the second part, set the setgid bit on the directory (and make the directory group-owned by the group in questioN) |
| 18:38.34 | CuteAlien | Bert_2, no. |
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| 18:38.41 | stew | markybob: no |
| 18:38.41 | xushi_ | greycat: if i then chmod -R 775 thefolder/, does it overwrite the umask ? |
| 18:39.04 | greycat | xushi_: umask is an attribute of a process, not of a directory. But chmod 775 would remove the setgid bit. |
| 18:39.05 | stew | xushi_: no. it makes all the files executable, which might not be what you want |
| 18:39.08 | markybob | stew, Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found |
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| 18:39.22 | Bert_2 | markybob: I'm having similar probs on etch |
| 18:39.36 | xushi_ | hmm, so is there a way of combining them? |
| 18:39.39 | infinity_ | anyone have experience with freeNX vs. nomachine NX ? |
| 18:39.51 | markybob | Bert_2, something's pooped :P |
| 18:39.52 | CuteAlien | I just folled that one when I couldn't update today: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=38796 |
| 18:40.00 | CuteAlien | s/folled/followed |
| 18:40.13 | stew | markybob: looks like Sources isn't available but Sources.gz and .bz2 are available |
| 18:40.30 | DevilChaos | etch? why are you still on etch? |
| 18:40.30 | markybob | heh. apparently lots of people |
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| 18:41.00 | greycat | I have a machine that's on sarge and isn't going anywhere because it can't boot from sarge's 2.6.8 kernel. |
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| 18:42.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | why not? |
| 18:42.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | boot into it from cd? |
| 18:42.32 | nkuttler | greycat: would it boot a newer kernel? |
| 18:42.42 | stew | markybob: what command gave you that error? |
| 18:42.47 | greycat | Who knows? You can't install a newer kernel on it because of udev etc. |
| 18:43.02 | markybob | stew, apt-get update on a brand new lenny install that just finished |
| 18:43.26 | nkuttler | greycat: udev should be installable in a chroot, shouldn't it? |
| 18:43.28 | markybob | stew, http://dpaste.com/41210/ that's my sources.list |
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| 18:43.39 | stew | markybob: does "aptitude update" work? |
| 18:43.59 | greycat | nkuttler: what, a lenny chroot on a sarge 4.x host? |
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| 18:44.04 | markybob | stew, no. same 404 |
| 18:44.16 | greycat | that was supposed to say sarge 2.4.x |
| 18:44.26 | stew | works for me |
| 18:44.32 | xushi_ | stew: is there a way to combine the 002 umask with chmod 775? so i can find . -exec it ? |
| 18:44.44 | greycat | !permissions > xushi_ |
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| 18:44.47 | greycat | bah. |
| 18:44.48 | justin | greycat: heh, I have my old thinkpad that has 2.4 on it.. hasn't been turned on in like 5 years |
| 18:44.49 | greycat | !permissions |
| 18:44.50 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 18:44.57 | xushi_ | ta |
| 18:45.20 | justin | greycat: though that had sid on it I think.. 2.6 didn't work because the pcmcia stuff wouldn't work, though that was at least on like 2.6.x where x < 5ish |
| 18:45.21 | stew | xushi_: umask isn't something you change about a file, its a setting for the environment that affects the permissions of newly created files |
| 18:45.23 | greycat | dpkg: permissions =~ s,wooledge.org/mywiki,mywiki.wooledge.org,g |
| 18:45.23 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 18:46.18 | inimino | so I made the mitake of upgrading x.org and now I can't get my keyboard layout back |
| 18:46.33 | xushi_ | stew: so for the files/folders that already exist, a chmod -R 775 myfolder/ would do... After that, find myfolder/ -exec umask 002 {}; once would do the trick for future files/folders ? |
| 18:46.41 | greycat | xushi_: don't do that. |
| 18:47.04 | xushi_ | greycat: btw thanks for the links.. the reason i ask is because i already read a few and am confused .. thats why im seeking advice |
| 18:47.05 | greycat | xushi_: if you want to ADD group write permission to all the files AND directories under a specific dir, then use chmod -R g+w |
| 18:47.18 | inimino | apparently HAL is now controlling my keyboard layout instead of xorg.conf |
| 18:47.25 | greycat | DON'T use chmod -R 755, ever. |
| 18:47.43 | greycat | (or 775 or any other number) (because -R goes into both dirs AND files) |
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| 18:48.15 | xushi_ | greycat: i want a place where all the users, apps, when creating/downloading files/folders to that folder, to be chmodded as 775, and chgrp as `users` |
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| 18:48.28 | xushi_ | greycat: that's what i want, for everything to be 775 |
| 18:48.28 | inimino | so what is the current way to change the keyboard layout in X? |
| 18:48.29 | nkuttler | greycat: that should work... i guess |
| 18:48.40 | Br4z3r | Hi all I have a little problem with USB installing debian. I made the USB bootble but my laptop recognize it as a HHD. How to make it boot from the USB |
| 18:49.04 | xushi_ | greycat: its a local box with local files for a few local trusted users |
| 18:49.16 | part1zan_ | Br4z3r: just boot from that 'hdd' |
| 18:49.44 | inimino | xkbsel used to work but now fails, is there a new method? |
| 18:49.53 | Br4z3r | part1zan_, it says that something is wrong with it |
| 18:50.04 | part1zan_ | Br4z3r: what does it say? |
| 18:50.15 | Bert_2 | okey, I think I'm having a DNS issue: please have a look at this file and please find out what's wrong cause I'm not finding it: http://pastebin.ca/1413516 |
| 18:51.03 | Br4z3r | part1zan_, that that HHD is damaged and cannot but from it |
| 18:51.09 | Br4z3r | i think |
| 18:51.40 | Jalapan | anyone knows about phpmyadmin if you can change so it does not only listen to localhost, i want it to be accessible from outside |
| 18:51.46 | part1zan_ | Br4z3r: so throw away that usb flash, buy another, and make it bootable as always |
| 18:51.52 | Br4z3r | i try it again and see the exact message if that would help |
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| 18:52.57 | Br4z3r | part1zan_, but it work fine for a storage device |
| 18:53.08 | part1zan_ | Br4z3r: do what i say |
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| 19:00.15 | flobbie | hi |
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| 19:00.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bert_2, ping 134.34.3.2 and look in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 19:01.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah! |
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| 19:01.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I say they do that to spite me |
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| 19:02.33 | flobbie | I am using apache with php, suexec, fcgi. If I upload files they have the rights 600. In #httpd they told me, that apache/php uses the umask of the system. I have a system user for every virtualhost in apache. And each of the system user for php have got the shell /bin/false. Where do I have to set the umask? In /etc/profiles I found umask 022. But the files I upload have 600. |
| 19:02.56 | greycat | flobbie: umask is inherited from the init.d script that runs apache. |
| 19:03.15 | greycat | flobbie: if you want apache's umask to change, add a umask line to /etc/init.d/apache2 (or whatever yours is called) in the 'start' section |
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| 19:04.28 | flobbie | greycat: I am using php5-fcgi. So php has an own prozess. Do I still have to set it in /etc/init.d/apache2? |
| 19:04.31 | Danielss89 | Hi. I have a webserver with Debian. Is it possible to get a list of the servers ressources, how many is in use, and a total? |
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| 19:04.47 | greycat | flobbie: in that case, you'd probably set it in the php init script |
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| 19:07.37 | jonsmith1982 | how is upgrading mysql server handled in debian? do i need to dump the data then reimport it or what??? |
| 19:08.50 | stew | jonsmith1982: no. but having a backup is always a good idea. note that if you change major versions of mysql, you can't easily go backwards (without a dump from the earlier version) |
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| 19:09.06 | stew | jonsmith1982: in general, the upgrade in debian should "just work" |
| 19:09.12 | Firestarter | Is there an app to remove all unnecesary packages from debian. |
| 19:09.19 | nkuttler | jonsmith1982: always backup. minor versions should be compatible afaik. |
| 19:09.32 | nkuttler | Firestarter: debfoster ? |
| 19:09.33 | stew | Firestarter: debfoster or deborphan |
| 19:09.34 | jonsmith1982 | good to know. thanks stew, nkuttler. |
| 19:09.51 | stew | Firestarter: do you, in general, use apt-get or aptitude? |
| 19:10.05 | Firestarter | stew: apt-get |
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| 19:10.43 | nkuttler | Firestarter: apt-get autoremove as well |
| 19:10.59 | Firestarter | I have installed alot of packages and would like to kinda start over withough having to reinstall debian |
| 19:11.16 | nkuttler | Firestarter: use debfoster then |
| 19:11.44 | Firestarter | thanks |
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| 19:13.25 | joe_ | hi guys, im trying to install vmware workstation, ive converted the .rpm from their site into a .deb, then i use dpkg to install that, it looks as though its installed, i get "setting up vmware.." then it stops...but i cant find the files to start the program..any ideas? |
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| 19:13.57 | justin | joe_: don't do that, you're better off installing from the tgz |
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| 19:14.10 | justin | or finding an official .deb from vmware |
| 19:14.27 | joe_ | justin: ok, i took a look there was only .bundle or .rpm |
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| 19:16.01 | joe_ | and if i do apt-get install vmware-workstation, it says its already installed, but when i try tab completion on "vm..." i get nothing |
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| 19:16.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | joe_, there's virtualbox |
| 19:16.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !vmware |
| 19:16.43 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it. Ask me about <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware . See also <virtualization>. |
| 19:16.43 | justin | joe_: apt-get install [tab] will search the apt cache, of which there is nothing |
| 19:16.47 | greycat | you can use "dpkg -L pkgname" to see a list of the files it thinks it installed, or look for docs in /usr/share/doc/pkgname |
| 19:16.56 | justin | yeah, that too.. virtualbox is a piece of cake to get working in debian |
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| 19:17.32 | joe_ | greycat: thanks, thats what i needed, it seems only the docs have been installed |
| 19:17.36 | joe_ | thanks anyway guys, il try again |
| 19:17.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | joe_, if you really need vmware, check the other factoids mentioned in this one (e.g. /msg dpkg vmware-package ) |
| 19:17.51 | mlaze | joe_: maybe you should check which kernel you're using |
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| 19:19.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | joe_, but generally there's a lot of free alternatives to vmware around, which would be preferable |
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| 19:19.51 | joe_ | i have my machines built as vm's, need to transfer them to a linux server so trying to get vm workstation built |
| 19:20.03 | justin | joe_: if you dont need performance at all, just use qemu |
| 19:20.08 | justin | joe_: if you have hwvirt, use kvm |
| 19:20.15 | justin | joe_: if you want something easy to install, use virtualbox |
| 19:20.42 | joe_ | thanks for the suggestions..i need vmware though, il have a read through some forums |
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| 19:21.48 | WaY | hello |
| 19:22.40 | basix | i'm trying to configure a machine as a wireless AP. I'm simply putting the interface in ad-hoc mode and using my wired connection ( eth0 ) to connect to the internet. I've been able to connect machines to this AP via the wifi network. The AP is able to access the internet too. But the machine connecting to the AP via the wifi interface isn't able to. What could be the issues? I'm able to ping the AP, my DSL CPE through the connected machine. I've also c |
| 19:22.40 | basix | onfigured NAT on the AP and it works. |
| 19:22.43 | infernix | can anyone think of a one-command equivalent to "ls | wc -l" ? |
| 19:22.50 | WaY | can anybody tell me a pretty music player for my linux? |
| 19:22.56 | infernix | WaY: amarok |
| 19:23.16 | WaY | thank you infernix, any other? |
| 19:23.39 | greycat | infernix: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/004 |
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| 19:25.19 | joe_ | can i install .bundles on debian? like .rpm? |
| 19:25.31 | infernix | WaY: quod libet |
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| 19:26.02 | epsilon | infernix: define an alias |
| 19:26.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | joe_, you didn't look at the factoid above and the wiki pages therein |
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| 19:26.19 | infernix | mmh. i need to get a filecount on a dir by extending snmpd.conf. |
| 19:26.30 | greycat | write a script. |
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| 19:26.34 | infernix | bash isn't going to cut it. gah, guess i need to write a 1 line script |
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| 19:26.47 | epsilon | basix: NAT and route/bridge is configured? |
| 19:26.49 | infernix | sucks cuz i gotta deploy it on loads of boexes |
| 19:26.53 | WaY | pk thanks |
| 19:27.10 | nsadmin | looking for a way to get pages from a pdf and write them into a new pdf file |
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| 19:27.39 | nsadmin | anything in debian I can use for that? |
| 19:27.59 | jetpda | no |
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| 19:28.01 | cahoot | pdftk? |
| 19:28.20 | epsilon | the AP box doesn't route by default, you have tell which address to go out which interface. and tell iptables to allow that route (so input ethfoo output eth0 -j ACCEPT bla bla) |
| 19:28.29 | joe_ | mlaze: why would that matter? |
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| 19:28.42 | joe_ | ah forgot that |
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| 19:29.26 | basix | epsilon, got disconnected. Yes i'm using a NAT script. eth0 is my public interface while wlan0 is the private one. |
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| 19:31.23 | epsilon | and "route -n" show the correct routing? So 0.0.0.0 using eth0 or ppp0 whatever protocoll you use, and internal LAN like 192.168.0.0/24 on wlan0 |
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| 19:32.41 | basix | epsilon, i'll explain you my setup. I've got an ISP CPE ( internal IP: 192.168.1.1 ) which is connected to a wireless AP ( netgear, internal IP: 192.168.0.1, external IP: 192.168.1.3 ) |
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| 19:32.42 | epsilon | if yes, all you need is iptables allowing incoming eth0 output wlan0 and reverse, activate NAT in /proc |
| 19:33.26 | nsadmin | cahoot: thanks, that looks like the one |
| 19:33.45 | epsilon | there are also some ready-to-use NAT package in debian, but I don't use them. Neither bridge |
| 19:34.04 | basix | epsilon, my custom linux AP has 2 interfaces, eth0 with IP; 192.168.0.202 while wlan0 has IP: 192.168.2.199. Now I've enabled NAT with external interface eth0 and wlan0 as internal interface. |
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| 19:34.29 | basix | epsilon, okie...i'm using rc.firewall. its a script which i've used for quite some time now |
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| 19:35.24 | basix | epsilon, so i'm able to access everything INSIDE my network i.e. upto 192.168.1.1 which is my ISP's CPE and I can see the packets going out the interface too but they're not returning for some reason :| |
| 19:35.28 | epsilon | dunno... I setup all NAT stuff when debian was still in woody, and I run the same setup since ever rockstable :-) |
| 19:35.49 | epsilon | so I don't know all the new-age NAT/iptables packages |
| 19:35.50 | basix | epsilon, i need to troubleshoot this! :( |
| 19:36.12 | basix | epsilon, i'm not using any new age NAT/iptables packages :| |
| 19:36.48 | epsilon | can't tell, could be any (missing) iptables rule blocking it |
| 19:37.07 | sepski | basix, do you require to double nat ? why not just bridge the wireless ? since your isp router do nat allready ? |
| 19:37.21 | epsilon | and to your ISP is really via 192.168.0202? |
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| 19:38.19 | basix | sepski, i'm setting up this AP for a specific reason. I keep this whole wireless network separate. |
| 19:38.32 | sepski | ok that is a reason :) |
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| 19:38.52 | sepski | when you see tha packages going out. you can see that the source address is natted as 192.168.0.202 ? |
| 19:39.07 | basix | sepski, let me confirm |
| 19:40.08 | basix | epsilon, connection to the ISP is via 192.168.1.1. So the route is like: 192.168.1.1 -> 192.168.1.3 -> 192.168.0.1 -> 192.168.0.202 -> 192.168.2.199 -> ( client machine ) |
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| 19:41.02 | sepski | 3 nats o.O |
| 19:41.19 | sepski | is the isp router a dsl something also or just a router ? |
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| 19:41.21 | epsilon | WTF |
| 19:41.43 | sepski | since you should just have a 4 legged router there. 1 for isp and 3 for your 3 internal separate networks |
| 19:41.47 | epsilon | "192.168.1.1 -> 192.168.1.3 -> 192.168.0.1 -> 192.168.0.202 -> 192.168.2.199" tells me you want to change the ISP ASAP |
| 19:41.50 | sepski | then they'd only be natted once |
| 19:41.52 | basix | sepski, i see something like: 192.168.2.119.1137 > resolver1.opendns.com: 8+ A? google.com. (29) |
| 19:42.04 | sepski | where do you see that ? |
| 19:42.12 | sepski | on what interface on what machine ? |
| 19:42.20 | epsilon | 192.168.2.119.1137 > resolver1.opendns.com will NOT work |
| 19:42.39 | basix | sepski, thats on wlan0 ( 192.168.2.119 ) of my Linux AP |
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| 19:42.45 | epsilon | cause someone is NOT nat'ting |
| 19:42.47 | basix | epsilon, thats my internal network... |
| 19:43.08 | sepski | well if you do the same on the outside of that box, check that it is actualy natted into .0.202 |
| 19:43.24 | sepski | also you should ping some ip you know works |
| 19:43.27 | sepski | continuusly |
| 19:43.45 | basix | epsilon, 192.168.1.1 is my ISP's CPE. 192.168.0.1 is my wireless AP ( netgear ). 192.168.0.202 is my Linux AP. |
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| 19:44.07 | basix | sepski, how do i do that? |
| 19:44.10 | epsilon | and who is 192.168.2.0/24? |
| 19:44.17 | sepski | ping 195.139.129.130 forinstance |
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| 19:44.48 | basix | epsilon, 192.168.2.0/24 is the network which my Linux AP is NATing using the wlan0 interface. |
| 19:44.54 | basix | sepski, okay |
| 19:44.59 | epsilon | BTW, you can use same network range for internal LAN and AP/wireless. You have one less problem |
| 19:45.33 | sepski | basix so linux ap and netgear ap both stand in the 192.168.1.0/24 network ? |
| 19:45.33 | epsilon | cau more subnet means just more config and potential errors |
| 19:45.36 | sepski | using wire ? |
| 19:45.55 | sepski | epsilon, the point was he wanted to split them, |
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| 19:46.33 | epsilon | tilts |
| 19:46.33 | basix | sepski, well the netgear AP has a wired connection to the ISP CPE and the Linux AP has a wire to the netgear AP's wired ports. |
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| 19:47.01 | basix | epsilon, ok.. |
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| 19:47.27 | flobbie | I asked some hours ago how I configure apache with php as fcgi and suexec to upload files with 644, because all the files without chmod have 600. I should set it in the apache / php start script. But if I set it in my php-fcgi-starter ( umask 022 ) nothing happens. All files have 600. |
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| 19:47.53 | basix | sepski, i got request time out at 192.168.2.119 when i pinged the 195.x.x.x IP you gave. tcpdump says: IP www.vg.no > 192.168.2.119 |
| 19:48.02 | basix | sepski, is that correct? |
| 19:48.07 | sepski | aye |
| 19:48.19 | epsilon | yea |
| 19:48.27 | sepski | point is you leave the ping running to see packages with tcpdump |
| 19:48.47 | sepski | then you check both interfaces of your boxes to check who nats and who does not |
| 19:48.49 | enouf | s/packages/packets/ ? |
| 19:49.00 | basix | sepski, the out going request shows 192.168.2.119 > www.vg.no ( This is on the Linux AP ) |
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| 19:49.28 | sepski | but what SIDE of the linx ? if it's on the 2. side it's correct. if it's on the .0.0/24 side it's wrong |
| 19:49.59 | basix | sepski, how do i check that? Should I run tcpdump on the eth0 interface? |
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| 19:50.06 | SparFux | How can I get rid of this error while compiling zaptel kernel modules with m-a: http://paste.nerv.fi/11064892.txt |
| 19:50.06 | sepski | yes ! |
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| 19:50.46 | basix | sepski, now i'm getting www.vg.no > 192.168.0.202 |
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| 19:50.58 | basix | sepski, is that wrong? |
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| 19:51.14 | sepski | that's correct |
| 19:51.25 | basix | hmph |
| 19:51.35 | sepski | do you actualy get a icmp reply from vg.no or is your > the wrong way |
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| 19:52.12 | sepski | also if you use -n you wont have to wait for nameresolution. and you get to see ip's and not names |
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| 19:52.29 | basix | sepski, what do you mean? I see a log entry: 192.168.0.202 > www.vg.no: ICMP Echo request |
| 19:52.44 | sepski | so it was the wrong way :) |
| 19:52.50 | sepski | what happen if you try to ping 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 19:52.59 | basix | sepski, and then i immediately get a www.vg.no > 192.168.0.202 |
| 19:53.05 | sepski | also traceroute might help you to see where things stop |
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| 19:53.20 | basix | sepski, ping 192.168.1.1 works |
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| 19:53.42 | sepski | if you get that return packet then you actualy get ping responses from vg.no |
| 19:53.53 | sepski | but you do not see those return packages on the wlan side ? |
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| 19:54.20 | basix | sepski, i actually see the ping responses from 192.168.1.1 inside the client |
| 19:55.00 | basix | sepski, but when i do the same for vg.no i dont see the responses in the client. i get the responses on the eth0 interface as well as wlan0 but they're not reaching the client for some reason. |
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| 19:55.22 | sepski | that's a bit strange... but then again i have never ever tried to run more then 1 nat at a given time. since it's a ugly hack and 3 of them does not get prettier |
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| 19:55.59 | sepski | even on wlan0 ? are they going to the right mac address (the one you test with) ? |
| 19:56.20 | basix | sepski, its the correct IP but i cant see the MAC to which it is going. |
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| 19:56.45 | basix | sepski, i can clearly see the responses being sent and received but they simply dont appear in the client for some reason... |
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| 19:57.24 | sepski | -e in tcpdump |
| 19:57.38 | sepski | and the source is of the reply is correct on wlan 0 ? (vg.no) |
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| 19:58.33 | basix | sepski, yes |
| 19:58.39 | basix | sepski, should i paste the session? |
| 19:58.50 | infinity_ | anyone know the status of NFS v4 and linux? |
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| 19:59.10 | abrotman | i heard they were dating and living in LA |
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| 19:59.54 | basix | sepski, i've set the gateway to 192.168.2.199 on the client which wlan0's IP. is that correct? |
| 20:00.10 | sepski | aye |
| 20:00.36 | sepski | but i would realy try to eliminate a nat level if i was you. eg connect linux ap directly to isp router forinstance |
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| 20:01.08 | sepski | or put more nics in the box and let it deal with all 3 networks + internet |
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| 20:01.27 | justin | infinity_: it nfs4 works, krb5 might have some issues |
| 20:01.43 | matt7676 | is there a way to modify GNU ping to show when request timed out? Currently you see lost packages only at the end of the pinging session in statistics. |
| 20:02.01 | basix | sep, okay i'll try that |
| 20:02.26 | abrotman | matt7676: it will show you .. it has the sequence |
| 20:03.10 | matt7676 | abrotman: how? |
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| 20:04.22 | diclev | type make |
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| 20:04.38 | part1zan_ | is having a birthday today |
| 20:04.45 | greycat | Jalapan: build-essential |
| 20:05.56 | abrotman | matt7676: it counts? |
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| 20:06.25 | BilokShem | what is Debian? |
| 20:06.30 | greycat | an operating system |
| 20:06.37 | BilokShem | for? |
| 20:06.44 | BilokShem | Like Linux? |
| 20:06.51 | abrotman | !tell BilokShem about debian |
| 20:06.52 | greycat | it's a Linux 'distribution' |
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| 20:06.59 | anddam | hi |
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| 20:07.13 | BilokShem | what better Ubuntu or Debian? |
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| 20:07.22 | abrotman | yeah .. pretty much |
| 20:07.40 | matt7676 | abrotman: no, only at the end it shows for example 100 packages sent 2 loss, 2% loss |
| 20:08.10 | abrotman | matt7676: if one of the packets goes *poof* it will skip a number in the 'seq' .. look at your output for ping |
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| 20:08.22 | diclev | Hello, people. How can I kill bind9 service and delete it from system autostart? |
| 20:08.29 | greycat | diclev: dpkg --remove bind9 |
| 20:08.30 | abrotman | diclev: update-rc.d |
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| 20:10.10 | anddam | avahi-daemon is failing to start and I can't find its log, where should its error log be? |
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| 20:12.50 | matt7676 | abrotman: ok, now I see :D However, in my opinion the Windows ping output is better in that manner, it shows very clear visible text. It is easier to see if a package is missing |
| 20:13.05 | greycat | Pcket. |
| 20:13.09 | greycat | Packet, too. |
| 20:13.37 | diclev | Exactly, how can I delete service bind9 from system autostart? for example with update-rc.d. `update-rc.d bind9 remove` doesn't work |
| 20:13.51 | greycat | diclev: what's wrong with "dpkg --remove bind9"? |
| 20:14.13 | diclev | I want delete it from austartt but not from my comp |
| 20:14.23 | nkuttler | diclev: rcconf is handy |
| 20:14.27 | diclev | autostart** |
| 20:14.28 | streuner | -f |
| 20:14.33 | \amethyst | matt7676: try for example ping -c 3 to have it send only 3 packets then report the total number received/sent |
| 20:14.37 | streuner | missing |
| 20:14.40 | greycat | mv /etc/rc2.d/S15bind9 /etc/rc2.d/.S15bind9 |
| 20:14.50 | greycat | assuming you boot into run level 2 |
| 20:15.01 | diclev | streuner, no, doesnt't work |
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| 20:15.31 | greycat | and assuming your bind9 script is at S15bind9 like mine is |
| 20:15.32 | streuner | update-rc.d -f bind9 remove |
| 20:15.44 | greycat | I'm not a fan of update-rc.d |
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| 20:15.56 | diclev | streuner, thnx, works |
| 20:16.21 | justin | matt7676: apt-cache earch icmp, there are a ton of ping replacements |
| 20:17.02 | enouf | greycat: bingo - by using mv, you preserve the orig NN, so you know where in the init order it was |
| 20:17.11 | greycat | Now what happens when he puts it back using update-rc.d? Will it be S15bind9 again? |
| 20:17.21 | enouf | not if he uses defaults |
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| 20:17.29 | enouf | it'll become S20, IINM |
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| 20:18.16 | abrotman | matt7676: okay .. it might be possible .. do you want me to read the ping man page for you? |
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| 20:18.30 | Ori_B | hello |
| 20:18.36 | Ori_B | I'm having some trouble with my wireless |
| 20:18.43 | nkuttler | isn't windows ping simply ping -c 3? |
| 20:18.49 | Ori_B | specifically, it looks like bug 504386 |
| 20:18.54 | Ori_B | (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=504386) |
| 20:18.55 | abrotman | nkuttler: not quite .. slightly different output |
| 20:19.10 | nkuttler | hm, i guess i'm no windows expert |
| 20:19.11 | greycat | HP-UX ping is "ping hostname -n 3" and "ping -n 3 hostname" fails with an error. Isn't ping fun? |
| 20:19.12 | streuner | !dbugs 504386 |
| 20:19.16 | dpkg | #504386:N[linux-image-2.6.26-1-486] linux-image-2.6.26-1-486: rtl8180 module detects aps but fails toauthenticate (pci id 10ec:8180 (rev 20) (); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:42:01 UTC [] |
| 20:19.19 | Ori_B | my kernel version is different (2.6.29-1) though. |
| 20:19.49 | matt7676 | abrotman: if you say it is possible with GNU ping to have similar "request timeout" line if the package is not received, I will read myself :) |
| 20:19.54 | justin | greycat: or 'isn't non gnu getopt fun' ? |
| 20:20.01 | Ori_B | does anyone know how I should approach debugging it? |
| 20:20.05 | justin | greycat: I once did rm * -i on solaris, that wasn't fun |
| 20:20.05 | abrotman | matt7676: honestly not sure .. i usually use something like mtr |
| 20:20.56 | justin | does debian have a program packaged somewhere that recommends things based on popcon? |
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| 20:21.33 | enouf | Ori_B: uname -r says? |
| 20:21.40 | justin | I hacked up a 'popsearch' but there has got to be a better one |
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| 20:21.58 | streuner | !listvals 8180 |
| 20:21.58 | Ori_B | enouf: 2.6.29-1-amd64 |
| 20:21.59 | dpkg | Factoid search of '8180' by value (3): rtl-wifi ;; binutils 2.10.91 ;; dwl-610. |
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| 20:22.23 | enouf | !listvals rtl8x |
| 20:22.25 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rtl8x' by value returned no results. |
| 20:22.26 | streuner | !rtl-wifi |
| 20:22.26 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless drivers, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. RTL8187SE not supported, ask about <rtl8187se>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 20:22.36 | enouf | ewww |
| 20:22.48 | dustybin | anybody here familiar with mythtv? |
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| 20:22.59 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: best to just ask your question |
| 20:23.44 | streuner | Ori_B: show us the output of "cat /proc/version" please |
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| 20:24.08 | enouf | Ori_B: all i can suggest is the wiki information |
| 20:24.08 | Ori_B | Linux version 2.6.29-1-amd64 (Debian 2.6.29-3) (maks@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.3 (Debian 4.3.3-5) ) #1 SMP Fri Apr 17 10:12:36 UTC 2009 |
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| 20:24.39 | streuner | Ori_B: well, did you look at BTS yet? |
| 20:24.55 | streuner | (that bug is in 2.6.26) |
| 20:25.12 | Ori_B | bts? |
| 20:25.20 | abrotman | !tell Ori_B about bts |
| 20:26.12 | catap | ??? |
| 20:26.30 | greycat | catap: more words would help. |
| 20:26.42 | Ori_B | streuner: hm, what did you want me to look at? |
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| 20:28.45 | streuner | Ori_B: bugs.debian.org/linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 20:29.06 | abrotman | oh, that's going to be confusing |
| 20:29.25 | streuner | hey, he is running a sid kernel ;-) |
| 20:29.41 | Ori_B | yes, I can figure that out :) |
| 20:29.41 | greycat | He'd probably have better luck googling for "debian kernel rtl8180 ..." |
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| 20:29.52 | streuner | or that |
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| 20:31.08 | Ori_B | there don't seem to be any relevant bugs for my kernel version |
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| 20:32.31 | Ori_B | is there any way to say that the old kernel's bug still applies to the new one? |
| 20:32.44 | Ori_B | and, more importantly, is there a good way of debugging it? |
| 20:33.08 | Ori_B | (I tried with an atheros chipset too, and I got a similar issue, so I suspect it might not be a problem with the driver itself... but I'm not sure) |
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| 20:37.20 | Ori_B | streuner: any pointers on where to start? |
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| 20:37.53 | streuner | Ori_B: why do you mention atheros now? |
| 20:38.12 | streuner | (what kind of chipset is that box, is it a laptop?? |
| 20:38.25 | Ori_B | streuner: it's a desktop |
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| 20:38.30 | enouf | Ori_B: is your userland 64bit as well? |
| 20:38.38 | Ori_B | enouf: yes. |
| 20:39.10 | streuner | atheros is usually well supported... |
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| 20:39.27 | streuner | rtl has its own stuff (driver) |
| 20:40.35 | enouf | Ori_B: maybe an issue with the AP itself? i don't understand what's actually wrong? you can't get Authentication working? are you using WEP, WPA, WPA2, ESSID, etc? |
| 20:40.44 | streuner | Ori_B: what kind of atheros chipset? |
| 20:41.02 | abrotman | which driver is he trying to use? |
| 20:41.22 | streuner | abrotman: some 8180 in mainline kernels... |
| 20:41.44 | streuner | dunno about his atherois chipset |
| 20:41.47 | abrotman | uh .. atheros is madwifi/ath5k/ath9k |
| 20:41.48 | streuner | atheros* |
| 20:41.57 | Ori_B | streuner: 5001X+ |
| 20:42.17 | Ori_B | enouf: I'm connected through my laptop throught the AP that I'm trying to connect to with my desktop right now |
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| 20:42.34 | Ori_B | streuner: and ath5k for the atheros |
| 20:42.47 | streuner | Ori_B: ath5k is the free one |
| 20:43.01 | streuner | madwifi non-free stuff, available at madwifi.org |
| 20:43.03 | Ori_B | streuner: correct. |
| 20:43.06 | streuner | good |
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| 20:45.23 | streuner | had to use latest madwifi driver in order to make his wireless stuff working |
| 20:45.36 | Ori_B | I was using the svn madwifi driver too |
| 20:45.43 | Ori_B | that worked just as badly as the ath5k |
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| 20:46.23 | quilby | can someone help with the join command |
| 20:46.25 | quilby | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/826812/combining-2-csv-files-by-common-column |
| 20:46.38 | Ori_B | and considering that the same issue is reported with the 2.6.26-2 kernel, I suspect that this might not be a driver issue |
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| 20:46.57 | Ori_B | but I don't know enough about the wireless tower on linux to know how to debug it properly |
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| 20:47.05 | greycat | quilby: you probably want paste(1) instead |
| 20:47.22 | greycat | quilby: maybe, anyway. Depends on what the *exact* problem is. |
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| 20:48.54 | enouf | http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page Ori_B looks like a good start (linked to from the wiki.debian.org page from earlier) |
| 20:48.59 | quilby | pase(1)? |
| 20:49.09 | greycat | paste(1) with a "t" in it |
| 20:49.54 | zzattack | hi, i rebooted my debian lenny box, and ever since my internet doesnt work. when I reboot, internet works and I can access the box for about one minute. After dead it's gone again. From the box itself I cannot ping google or anything, I get "unknown host". restarting network doesnt work either. |
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| 20:50.02 | justin | greycat: nah, he wants join |
| 20:50.07 | justin | or sqlite :) |
| 20:50.08 | greycat | The notation string(n) means "man n string". paste(1) means "man 1 paste", or "the paste page from section 1 of the manual". |
| 20:50.15 | greycat | Section 1 of The Manual is shell commands. |
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| 20:52.20 | quilby | ya i think i need to use join |
| 20:52.48 | quilby | problem is some of the values might have commas in them |
| 20:52.51 | greycat | If a problem is complex enough to want that, you can probably do it in awk/perl with an associative array/hash or two. |
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| 20:52.55 | Ori_B | enouf: hm. I guess I'll just try the driver from their svn |
| 20:52.59 | Ori_B | see if it works any better |
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| 20:54.00 | enouf | hrm.. http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1983175&forum_id=652149 |
| 20:54.10 | quilby | ori is ur last name barack or bergman |
| 20:54.30 | Ori_B | Bernstein, actually. |
| 20:54.49 | quilby | so i can conclude u arent from tau.ac.il |
| 20:54.58 | Ori_B | erm. I would if it compiled, anyways. |
| 20:55.02 | Ori_B | tries patching it.... |
| 20:55.06 | enouf | it starts out as a Debian-based thread, .. then some gentoobian jumps in at the end there :-P |
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| 20:55.26 | el_mexicano | hi there |
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| 20:55.55 | JIMY | e aà suas bichas!!! |
| 20:56.01 | enouf | Ori_B: might also eventually try ndiswrapper as a way to rule in/out driver(s) |
| 20:56.16 | JIMY | seus viados mesmo1!! |
| 20:56.21 | Ori_B | enouf: yeah, I'll try. |
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| 20:56.50 | el_mexicano | i got a big problem with my Debian 4.0 in a VMWARE environment. Since I moved the vmware maschine to an other pc (same hardware) I cant get apt packaged or access websites but I can ping into the internet. someone can help? |
| 20:57.57 | Ori_B | bah. at least I got my laptop to give me NAT temporarily so I can download stuff directly :{ |
| 20:58.33 | SparFux | Hi! I have installed zaptel-source and compile and want to run asterisk, but it doesn't start up anymore: http://pastebin.com/d2cd6b84a |
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| 21:01.58 | SparFux | Is current asterisk in debian unstable bristuffed??? |
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| 21:08.54 | SparFux | In debian I am running Asterisk 1.4 with chan_zap. The voice is way too fast. How can I cope with that? |
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| 21:11.40 | rastafreund | greeetz. i installed manualy 'apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment' on my debian machine and now i want to remove it. howto? |
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| 21:12.21 | inuyasha3331 | <.< |
| 21:12.23 | inuyasha3331 | >.> |
| 21:12.35 | WaX-Dan | Dealer: Game #27855104412: WaX333 wins pot (1050) |
| 21:12.39 | WaX-Dan | ?? |
| 21:12.42 | WaX-Dan | oh sry |
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| 21:14.19 | Kamusin | does anybody know where can I download a debian etch netinstall iso? |
| 21:14.52 | beardy | Kamusin: Why do you need it? |
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| 21:15.01 | cire | do you know the kde shortcut for kde-menu? I have no mouse at this machine... |
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| 21:15.28 | beardy | !debian archive |
| 21:15.28 | dpkg | it has been said that debian archive is debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ and old versions of packages can be found at http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
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| 21:15.54 | Kamusin | beardy, because I need it for my work :) (I know, is old) |
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| 21:18.06 | Kamusin | we are working to move to lenny, but for now I need etch :) |
| 21:18.35 | beardy | Ok, well there it is. |
| 21:19.21 | enouf | cire: might try ctrl+esc |
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| 21:20.02 | Ori_B | hm. since the driver didn't want to compile, I'm going to try an ubuntu CD that I have lying around... |
| 21:20.07 | cire | enouf: it was alt+F1 |
| 21:20.12 | cire | thanks anyways ;) |
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| 21:20.46 | rastafreund | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.21 | enouf | rastafreund: apt-get --purge remove pkgname ? /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 21:21.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get remove gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 21:21.39 | enouf | man apt-get |
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| 21:22.04 | enouf | thinks that's a metapkg? |
| 21:22.11 | Ori_B | and.. no such luck. |
| 21:22.15 | rastafreund | thx bredren |
| 21:22.24 | enouf | judd: info gnome-desktop-environment |
| 21:22.24 | judd | enouf: gnome-desktop-environment (gnome): is optional; Version: 1:2.22.2~5; Size: 14.5k; Installed: 20k -- The GNOME Desktop Environment |
| 21:22.42 | Ori_B | enouf: just wondering, do you know a channel that would be more able to help me? |
| 21:22.48 | enouf | 20k? definitely meta ;-) |
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| 21:23.30 | enouf | Ori_B: not really ... keep testing various kernels, various cards, issue could be your AP? |
| 21:23.53 | Kamusin | thanks beardy |
| 21:23.59 | enouf | Ori_B: maybe ##networking (for that?) |
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| 21:24.11 | Kamusin | for one rare reason, etch is not in archive |
| 21:24.24 | themill | rastafreund: etch or lenny? |
| 21:25.14 | Ori_B | enouf: I'm IRCing through the AP on my laptop |
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| 21:26.10 | enouf | you fixed it! |
| 21:28.33 | Ori_B | enouf: ...yeah. now it just needs to work on my desktop. |
| 21:28.56 | Ori_B | the setup I have right now is internet connection ap - wireless -> laptop - wire -> desktop |
| 21:29.06 | Ori_B | I'm trying to make it work without the laptop in between. |
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| 21:30.46 | careta | if my computer crashes when i'm compiling a kernel with make-kpkg is it safe to issue the make-kpkg command again to resume the compilation process? |
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| 21:31.23 | epsas | it should be |
| 21:31.24 | epsas | yes |
| 21:31.36 | epsas | iirc, make-kpkg will do a make clean |
| 21:31.44 | epsas | i may be wrong, but i think it works that way |
| 21:32.19 | epsas | regardless, unless your source files change, the previously compiled objects should be usable |
| 21:32.31 | epsas | ianakh |
| 21:32.37 | epsas | ymmv |
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| 21:33.40 | enouf | careta: if your puter crashes, you better forget about make-kpkg and worry about possible FS corruption |
| 21:34.24 | simonrvn | epsas: not anymore, iirc |
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| 21:35.00 | SparFux | My libtonezone1 package does not include any .so files. |
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| 21:37.22 | simonrvn | SparFux: so you file a bug if it's a debian package. if not, go do some reading on debhelper ;). |
| 21:37.30 | SparFux | Yes, good idea. I will do that. |
| 21:37.42 | SparFux | it's a debian package. |
| 21:38.05 | themill | SparFux: what arch? |
| 21:38.27 | SparFux | amd64 |
| 21:38.58 | SparFux | libtonezone1_1%3a1.4.11~dfsg-2_amd64.deb is ok and include the files found by apt-file, libtonezone.so.1.0.0, but libtonezone1_1%3a1.4.11~dfsg-3_amd64.deb is missing the libs. |
| 21:40.04 | SparFux | Ah! Now zap gets loaded. |
| 21:40.59 | themill | SparFux: the deb I just downloaded contains .so.1.0 |
| 21:40.59 | SparFux | adventureous! :-) |
| 21:40.59 | SparFux | really? |
| 21:41.00 | SparFux | Let me try again before filing bug rport. I upgrade again... |
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| 21:41.30 | themill | SparFux: "wget http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/z/zaptel/libtonezone1_1.4.11~dfsg-3_amd64.deb" and unpack it yourself to see. (or use mc to poke around in side it or ...) |
| 21:41.32 | SparFux | hm... Now mine includes it too. I swear they weren't there! Only the text files! |
| 21:41.36 | enouf | SparFux: make sure symlinks aren't the issue |
| 21:42.05 | SparFux | enouf: I did. That's really strange. Good thing I haven't filed a bug report. But the dfsg-2 included the files too. |
| 21:42.10 | enouf | dpkg -c should do |
| 21:42.10 | dpkg | drwxr-xr-x root/root 7981 2004-11-25 13:54:09 ./usr/share/should do/pr0n/ariana.jpg |
| 21:42.20 | enouf | heh |
| 21:42.42 | SparFux | Well, I cannot track this down anymore. God knows what package that was. Sorry guys and thanks for the help. I'll cancel reportbug of course. |
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| 21:44.58 | Jalapan | can i install a flash player to support glype , anyone knows ? |
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| 21:45.52 | giwe | Anyone with problems with ghostscript and libgs8 in lenny? |
| 21:46.13 | giwe | I did a dist-upgrade and they show broken. |
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| 21:46.55 | SparFux | Has anybody got an idea what could cause my sound of my sip phone to be too fast in asterisk right after I started using zaphfc driver? |
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| 21:56.23 | stack` | does someone uses amarok2 with jack and can tell me if changing song amarok destroy the jack channel and recreate the links? |
| 21:56.35 | dimedo | is there a release of debian installer which can be installed onto a harddisk and booted with grub? my server provider can't do pxe boots but offers a way to write a tar file on the servers disk, and install either grub or lilo |
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| 22:00.25 | giwe | How do we solve this in lenny : libgs8 depends libgnutls26 (>=2.5.9-0) but 2.4.2-6+lenny1 is installed? |
| 22:00.31 | enouf | stack`: might ask also in ##linux |
| 22:01.00 | enouf | (and/or jack-related, or amarok-related channels) |
| 22:01.02 | Manoj | is libgs8 in lenny too? |
| 22:01.31 | enouf | judd: versions libgs8 |
| 22:01.31 | judd | enouf: libgs8 -- etch-backports: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.1~bpo40+1 lenny: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1 lenny-security: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1 squeeze: 8.64~dfsg-1 squeeze-security: 8.64~dfsg-1+squeeze1 sid: 8.64~dfsg-1.1 experimental: 8.64~dfsg-2 |
| 22:01.44 | Manoj | libgs8 | 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny |
| 22:01.45 | enouf | i guess that's a yes? |
| 22:02.10 | giwe | my lenny system is broken because of libgs8, I think. |
| 22:02.34 | amphi | stack`: dunno about amarok, but that happens with quodlibet (gstreamer) |
| 22:02.39 | giwe | dist-upgrade wants to remove a bunch of stuff. |
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| 22:03.00 | e-type | hi all |
| 22:03.03 | amphi | stack`: if I recall correctly, jack.plumbing deals ok with that, but I went back to mocp anyway |
| 22:03.19 | amphi | stack`: jack.plumbing FTW generally ;) |
| 22:03.31 | Manoj | 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1 - libgnutls26 (2 2.4.0-0) |
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| 22:04.05 | Manoj | no, lenny is fine. libgs8 | 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny needs only libgnutls26 (2 2.4.0-0) |
| 22:04.21 | giwe | Manoj: am I don't something wrong? do you know what do I need to fix my situation? |
| 22:04.38 | giwe | Manoj: Am I doing |
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| 22:05.31 | themill | giwe: perhaps you can pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" for us |
| 22:05.32 | e-type | I updated to lenny today and xend refuses to start. I'm using xen-utils-3.2.1-2 and xen-hypervisor 3.2.1-2. Anyone know what might be wrong? |
| 22:06.15 | Manoj | giwe: to answer that, one needs to know how you got here. |
| 22:06.28 | Manoj | giwe: you have some non lenny stuff installed, it seems |
| 22:06.51 | enouf | e-type: you have a xenconsole= option set in your new kernel line? |
| 22:06.56 | giwe | Manoj: I think I may know. there is some testing/updates on my apt. |
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| 22:07.16 | giwe | Manoj: from a lenny was then testing. |
| 22:07.17 | enouf | !xen |
| 22:07.17 | dpkg | i heard xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen, although compatibility is maintained for user applications. Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen . #debian-xen @ irc.oftc.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 22:07.29 | enouf | see the wiki e-type |
| 22:08.02 | themill | giwe: that'll do it indeed. "/msg dpkg partial downgrade" to see if you can get rid of them and get a lenny-only system again. |
| 22:08.08 | e-type | enouf: checking, thanks |
| 22:08.24 | giwe | themill: and Manoj thanks. |
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| 22:10.30 | Manoj | giwe: so you need to downgrade back to lenny, or you need to upgrade furher into testing, in either case, a pure lenny solution is only possible if you downgrade back |
| 22:10.35 | xororand | can I mix xen-utils-unstable with xenstore-3.2? |
| 22:12.12 | giwe | Manoj: yeah, hopefully it will not be too bad yet to downgrade the testing/update stuff at this point. |
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| 22:13.58 | streuner | giwe: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 22:14.09 | streuner | judd, versions libc6 |
| 22:14.09 | judd | streuner: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-4 sid: 2.9-9 |
| 22:14.53 | themill | If it was only testing/updates in the sources.list then it shouldn't be too bad... |
| 22:14.57 | giwe | streuner: 2.7-28 is this good or bad? |
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| 22:15.27 | giwe | themill: yes only testing/updates I changed to lenny/updates it is going smooth so far (the dist-upgrade). |
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| 22:16.33 | streuner | that doesnt sound like testing too... |
| 22:17.07 | giwe | streuner: okay,many thanks everything back to normal. |
| 22:17.07 | themill | giwe: are you sure it says 2.7-28 not 2.7-18? |
| 22:17.42 | giwe | themill: 2.7-18 sorry. |
| 22:17.49 | themill | that's better.... |
| 22:17.52 | streuner | hm |
| 22:17.56 | giwe | hm? |
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| 22:20.40 | Taram | hi I have some problems with iceweasel+java... I need to creat an epass here...but icewease does not work...and hangs... https://blrscr3.egs-seg.gc.ca/gol-ged/cra-arc/individuals/pr/awsc/amss/pub/CrsEntryPoint-e?craEntryPoint=/lcf_app_server/lcf?trigger=register%26firstEpassRegStepMinusOne=1%26totalRegistrationSteps=4%26deptUrl=https://blrscr3.egs-seg.gc.ca/gol-ged/cra-arc/individuals/pr/mima/myaccount/prot/Disclaimer-e |
| 22:20.58 | themill | EURLTOOLONG |
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| 22:21.11 | Taram | someone here who can help...or had similar problems with iceweasel and java |
| 22:21.22 | themill | giwe: when it's finished the dist-upgrade, can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy ; aptitude search ~o" for us? |
| 22:21.34 | teratoma | are you using amazing pure holy gnu java gcj, or sun java ? |
| 22:21.35 | giwe | streuner: Is judd a bot for versions? |
| 22:21.37 | abrotman | Taram: you probably want to put that in tinyurl .. i think it got truncated |
| 22:21.44 | Taram | in my office at university I used ff 3.x that works fine |
| 22:21.45 | abrotman | giwe: judd does lots of things |
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| 22:21.53 | abrotman | Taram: and which java are you using? |
| 22:21.55 | themill | dpkg: tell giwe about judd |
| 22:22.03 | acu1 | guys I want to setup a email server - I almost spent neurons leanring cyrus - however I learned that dovecot may be easier and curier more complete - do I need postfix at all for courier - is any suggestion here |
| 22:22.05 | Taram | wait a sec abrotman |
| 22:22.23 | abrotman | Taram: it's in french! |
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| 22:22.33 | Taram | no english |
| 22:22.42 | Taram | you mean my name? |
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| 22:23.00 | Taram | or the webpage? |
| 22:23.03 | abrotman | Taram: it tells me that my browser is not supported (dumb for a java app) |
| 22:23.06 | giwe | abrotman: cool, I only know dpkg and apt from the time of potato ;) |
| 22:23.27 | abrotman | eh .. apt is kind of .. not used |
| 22:23.34 | Taram | no ...it works...at my office computer I used firefox 3.x and it was working... |
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| 22:24.29 | Taram | and I ssh tunnel the firefox and it works...but damm slow....so I try to get it working at iceweasel |
| 22:25.54 | Taram | @ abrotman: here the info about my java http://rafb.net/p/8skLav25.html |
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| 22:26.15 | abrotman | Taram: you used it with what? on linux? |
| 22:26.32 | abrotman | !iceweasel user-agent |
| 22:26.33 | dpkg | Iceweasel's user-agent is not Firefox. To fix sites or plugins that don't work: (1) smack the authors (2) go to about:config and change general.useragent.extra.firefox to Firefox/<version>. Even easier is the "User-Agent Switcher" extension. Remember to switch it back afterwards though, or no-one will bother to fix their broken websites. See http://www.geticeweasel.org/useragent/ |
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| 22:26.42 | Taram | at my office in univeristy : ubuntu 8.04 |
| 22:26.47 | abrotman | and tell them to fix the freaking thing |
| 22:26.52 | Taram | at home here: debian squeeze |
| 22:27.04 | themill | abrotman: it works... you just say "continue" past the yadda yadda |
| 22:27.08 | epsilon | change your university |
| 22:27.13 | Taram | ?? |
| 22:27.15 | abrotman | themill: oh hey .. it does :) |
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| 22:27.29 | abrotman | enrolls Taram in class |
| 22:27.33 | abrotman | oh .. that's taxes |
| 22:27.33 | themill | Taram: try running "update-java-alternatives" to make sure that everything is using the same java. (In particular, the plugin can use a different java to your jvm) |
| 22:27.44 | themill | watches abrotman pay Taram's taxes |
| 22:28.00 | abrotman | themill: hehe .. he'd get screwed .. paying canadian taxes with the american dollar ... |
| 22:28.07 | Taram | ;) no I want to get tax retun ;) |
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| 22:28.52 | themill | Taram: You've got a rather multi-cultural question here.... Canadian taxes in English or French with LANG=de on your machine.... |
| 22:28.55 | Taram | ok I used: update-java-alternatives -a |
| 22:29.08 | Taram | I am german |
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| 22:29.20 | themill | I figured that... |
| 22:29.21 | Taram | but grad student here in canada |
| 22:29.31 | abrotman | and you get a refund? |
| 22:29.37 | Taram | yes.... |
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| 22:29.53 | Taram | I did my tax stuff in ufile.ca |
| 22:30.17 | e-type | enouf: I followed the wiki again, same error with and without the serial config |
| 22:30.19 | Taram | http://www.ufile.ca/ ...and I got a retrun |
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| 22:30.32 | e-type | enouf: what did you mean with the "xenconsole=" option? |
| 22:30.49 | themill | Taram: btw I *suspect* -a will give you gcj not sun java. |
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| 22:31.34 | abrotman | freaking javas should conflict with each other |
| 22:31.47 | Taram | in the man it is saying that with "-a" it is config. autom. |
| 22:32.01 | enouf | e-type: if you're using grub, might also look at your /boot/grub/menu.lst (should explain a bit) |
| 22:32.29 | MarkJones | Hello I was here the other day and had some help with getting my Realtek ALC1200 onboard audio working. I had to restore a fresh backup and I have no clue what suggestion that was given before solved the problem.Anyone feel like PMing me for some 1on1 help? |
| 22:32.29 | zinx | abrotman: but every java program requires a different runtime :P |
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| 22:32.42 | abrotman | zinx: yay! |
| 22:32.51 | e-type | enouf: there's no "xenconsole=" string anywhere in my menu.lst ;-) |
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| 22:33.03 | themill | Taram: yeah... "auto" but which one is it going to pick? I think it will pick gcj. |
| 22:33.04 | Taram | ok...here is the out put abrotman http://rafb.net/p/f4KP4g25.html |
| 22:33.24 | abrotman | i think themill asked for that ? |
| 22:33.30 | e-type | enouf: is it required to have the separated tty0 and hvc0 setup? |
| 22:33.55 | themill | Taram: either manually configure it to use java-6-sun or java-6-openjdk and be done with it. |
| 22:34.01 | Taram | so now use: update-alternatives --config java? |
| 22:34.12 | themill | Taram: no, use update-java-alternatives |
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| 22:34.46 | Taram | themill...how? |
| 22:35.30 | themill | Taram: "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun" (and make sure it sets the plugin config... I have no idea if you've installed the plugin package) |
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| 22:35.54 | Taram | thx |
| 22:36.00 | abrotman | maybe he should try about:plugins to see which it is using |
| 22:36.06 | enouf | e-type: there's xenkopt=console=tty0 and a xenhopt= (do not remove the 1 leading # in front of each, just edit to taste) .. i don't recall where i heard/saw xenconsole= option, but it obviously stuck with me |
| 22:36.25 | themill | abrotman: if it's crashing, I'll vote for gcj... |
| 22:36.32 | abrotman | i'm just saying! |
| 22:36.36 | Taram | ok done ....now restart iceweasel and try it again? |
| 22:36.36 | MarkJones | Does anyone else here have a Realtek ALC 1200 sound chip? |
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| 22:36.51 | abrotman | Taram: kill *every* instance of IW |
| 22:36.51 | enouf | e-type: i can't say, i don't know - i know there were big changes though between Etch's kernel -> Lenny's and higher concerning xen |
| 22:36.51 | themill | Taram: yeah |
| 22:37.01 | Taram | ok... |
| 22:37.31 | enouf | e-type: have you tried the channel mentioned from the factoid? |
| 22:37.51 | Taram | ps ax | grep iceweasel ...ok...every process is killed |
| 22:37.54 | Taram | lets try it |
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| 22:38.25 | abrotman | Taram: if it still fails .. get the output of about:plugins in a pastebin |
| 22:38.39 | Taram | crap...it still doesn't work |
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| 22:38.46 | abrotman | maybe there should be an "about:java" |
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| 22:38.55 | themill | you jinxed it! |
| 22:39.15 | Taram | oh...now it works... |
| 22:39.21 | e-type | enouf: haven't. Will do, thanks ;-) |
| 22:39.22 | Taram | thanks abrotman and themill |
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| 22:39.35 | abrotman | yay! |
| 22:39.37 | Taram | what a hard fight |
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| 22:39.45 | abrotman | Taram: if you really don't use gcj .. remove it |
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| 22:39.54 | abrotman | and its associated plugins |
| 22:39.55 | themill | Taram: thank sun for the fun and games |
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| 22:40.04 | Taram | thanks a lot.... abrotman... themill |
| 22:40.14 | themill | no worries |
| 22:40.14 | Taram | by the way...where are you gus from |
| 22:40.24 | abrotman | themill: maybe if gcj were a better implementation |
| 22:40.26 | abrotman | Taram: .us |
| 22:40.44 | Taram | nice |
| 22:41.14 | type_generic | I'm having problems with PuTTY with X11 forwarding. It works with non root, but running an X11 program as root cant find the display |
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| 22:42.31 | \amethyst | type_generic: does export XAUTHORITY=/home/olduser/.Xauthority work? |
| 22:42.38 | eh0y | hey guys, im using an orinoco wireless card, ive used the madwifi drivers to get it installed, it all seems ok, but when i do iwlist ath0 scanning, it says "no scan results" but im certain there is a wireless network here |
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| 22:43.06 | \amethyst | type_generic: and how are you becoming root? |
| 22:43.20 | type_generic | with the command su |
| 22:43.30 | Taram | by the way.... abrotman.... your nick sound a bit german ;) .....like a rude order in the bakery :) |
| 22:43.30 | abrotman | eh0y: orinoco is not madwifi |
| 22:43.45 | abrotman | Taram: yeah .. i've heard that before .. my family has no german that i'm aware of |
| 22:44.02 | type_generic | \amethyst: I did the same exact (i think) setup with open suse, fedora, and ubuntu, but on debian it dosent like root x11 stuff |
| 22:44.02 | eh0y | abrotman: yes it is, orinoco gold, proxim, its madwifi |
| 22:44.07 | jpinx-eeepc | seems to remember something about X11 forwarding not working as root over PuTTY |
| 22:44.25 | abrotman | eh0y: lspci -nn .. can you put tha tin a pastebin ? |
| 22:44.29 | eh0y | sure |
| 22:44.53 | \amethyst | type_generic: what does echo $XAUTHORITY say as root? |
| 22:45.01 | themill | type_generic: "su" on its own won't give you X11 forwarding from root to your login user unless you do something extra. |
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| 22:45.27 | eh0y | abrotman: http://www.pastebin.ca/1413714 |
| 22:45.44 | eh0y | the atheros comms is my card.. |
| 22:45.48 | type_generic | \amethyst" says "/home/olduser/.Xauthority |
| 22:45.49 | type_generic | " |
| 22:46.12 | eh0y | i also have that builtin broadcom bcm4322 but it doenst look like that is supported |
| 22:46.13 | acu1 | anyone has experience of courier vs dovecot mail servers? |
| 22:46.29 | themill | type_generic: and what does "echo $DISPLAY" say? (once again, as root) |
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| 22:46.42 | abrotman | eh0y: did you check the b43 website? |
| 22:46.51 | eh0y | abrotman: yes, it says their working on it |
| 22:46.55 | acu1 | It seem that courier is the coolest one - since it has everything built in - MTA- IMAP - webserver |
| 22:46.56 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 22:47.19 | type_generic | themill: localhost:10.0 |
| 22:47.21 | eh0y | any idea why ath0 isnt picking up my network though abrotman ? |
| 22:47.28 | abrotman | eh0y: ah .. your card should be ath5k |
| 22:47.43 | eh0y | whys that? |
| 22:47.46 | themill | type_generic: and what's the exact error you get when you try to start an X application? |
| 22:47.54 | abrotman | eh0y: what's your kernel? |
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| 22:48.12 | type_generic | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.12 | type_generic | PuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attemptedcannot open display: |
| 22:48.12 | type_generic | Run 'gedit --help' to see a full list of available command line options. |
| 22:48.29 | eh0y | abrotman: 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 22:48.43 | abrotman | AFAIK, you should be trying to use ath5k, not madwifi |
| 22:49.12 | \amethyst | type_generic: http://www.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.security.ssh/2005-10/0179.html |
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| 22:49.42 | unomi | how can I upgrade an installed package from a freshly built local package? |
| 22:50.21 | unomi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.22 | unomi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.23 | type_generic | um |
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| 22:50.32 | eh0y | abrotman: why is that? because my kernel version? |
| 22:50.43 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:51.08 | eh0y | abrotman: ok, im going through the ath5k tutorial now |
| 22:51.10 | type_generic | \amethyst: um.. XAUTHORITY says nothing |
| 22:51.33 | abrotman | eh0y: it should have tried to use it automagically .. did you flip through dmesg looking for hints ? |
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| 22:51.54 | \amethyst | type_generic: XAUTHORITY should point to the original user's xauthority... I thought you said it contained "/home/olduser/.Xauthority" |
| 22:52.33 | abrotman | eh0y: or look with lsmod to see if it's using madwifi or ath5k |
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| 22:52.48 | themill | type_generic: or use sux or gksu or similar to pass the credentials for the display to root. /msg dpkg root x |
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| 22:53.10 | type_generic | \amethyst: i thought it did too - used wrong window that didnt have root (had two puttys open) |
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| 22:55.31 | e-type | enouf: I got it to work |
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| 22:55.41 | dalias | is gimp broken in sid right now? i get this; |
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| 22:55.41 | e-type | enouf: rm -rF /var/lib/xend/* |
| 22:55.43 | dalias | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.54 | e-type | enouf: can you ****** believe that ?? :D |
| 22:56.10 | themill | dpkg: tell dalias about bat |
| 22:56.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:57.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | bat? more like "sid faq" |
| 22:57.42 | dalias | i know what it means |
| 22:57.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | e-type, fellow? |
| 22:57.58 | nkuttler | dalias: apt-cache policy libwebkit-1.0-1 |
| 22:58.41 | dalias | installed none candidate none |
| 22:58.48 | dalias | libwebkit is 1.0-2 now |
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| 22:58.56 | dalias | but the gimp package depends on 1.0-1 |
| 22:58.59 | dalias | which no longer exists |
| 22:59.02 | nkuttler | !tell dalias about paste |
| 22:59.04 | enouf | e-type: i thought when you originally typed xend way up there, it was a typo O_o |
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| 22:59.53 | e-type | enouf: :-) and I thought you had some new xenconsole= boot line for me that would change my life :D |
| 23:00.00 | abrotman | dalias: this is part of using sid .. if you want a stable version of linux, don't use debian/unstable |
| 23:00.06 | dalias | :) |
| 23:00.07 | dalias | i know |
| 23:00.18 | enouf | hah e-type - google it though, i know i'm not that crazy ;-) |
| 23:00.30 | dalias | actually this kinda breakage only happens once every few years for me |
| 23:00.35 | abrotman | eh? |
| 23:00.47 | dalias | so i'm not complaining :) |
| 23:00.48 | abrotman | wonders why gimp needs libwebkit |
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| 23:01.11 | dalias | just wondering if anyone knows about it or fixing it |
| 23:01.15 | dalias | abrotman, i wondered the same... |
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| 23:02.48 | nkuttler | webkit sounds like kde... it's really surprising a gtk app depends on it.. |
| 23:03.00 | dalias | no |
| 23:03.06 | dalias | webkit is kde-independent now i think |
| 23:03.14 | themill | judd info libwebkit-1.0-1 |
| 23:03.15 | judd | themill: libwebkit-1.0-1 (libs): is optional; Version: 1.0.1-4; Size: 2942.9k; Installed: 8616k -- Web content engine library for Gtk+ |
| 23:03.18 | Eulex | webkit has always been |
| 23:03.25 | Eulex | webkit was based on khtml, tho |
| 23:03.29 | dalias | its the future direction of non-mozilla-crap browsers :) |
| 23:03.44 | nkuttler | it is? i like webkit. would love to see a browser based on it. |
| 23:03.56 | dalias | there's midori |
| 23:04.00 | abrotman | dalias: at least two browsers i know of have the ability to switch between gecko and webkit |
| 23:04.03 | dalias | but it has memleak & stability issues |
| 23:04.04 | nkuttler | besides konqueror that is |
| 23:04.36 | abrotman | nkuttler: epiphany and kazehakase .. enjoy! |
| 23:04.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean non-mozilla browsers like the gimp? |
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| 23:05.00 | nkuttler | abrotman: last time i checked.. they didn't satisfy me |
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| 23:05.29 | abrotman | nkuttler: last time i tried kazehakase .. it was massively crashy |
| 23:05.53 | abrotman | nkuttler: the epiphany one had other issues, but mostly worked |
| 23:05.57 | dalias | cutmeownthroat, lol |
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| 23:06.20 | themill | gimp in lenny depends on libgtkhtml2-0 instead... |
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| 23:06.37 | eh0y | abrotman: when i do "ifconfig ath0 up" i can see lights on my card flicker..is that a good sign? |
| 23:06.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does gimp need html for |
| 23:06.47 | abrotman | eh0y: better than not :) |
| 23:06.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... svg -> yes |
| 23:06.52 | eh0y | :) |
| 23:06.53 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i'd guess the manual |
| 23:06.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 23:07.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | got a point there |
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| 23:07.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I thought that stuff is in an extra package |
| 23:07.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | (at least I never got help from the gimp for that reason) |
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| 23:08.08 | eh0y | abrotman: why do i also have wifi0, whats the difference between that and ath0? |
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| 23:08.30 | abrotman | eh0y: which module do you have loaded ? |
| 23:08.56 | eh0y | ath_pci |
| 23:09.03 | dalias | madwifi :) |
| 23:09.07 | eh0y | yes |
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| 23:11.02 | intx | run="echo -e \"foobar\"" && $run -- how do I have it so echo is passed on quotations, instead of escaped quotations? |
| 23:11.20 | eh0y | ah damn, done wlanconfig destory ath0 |
| 23:11.40 | abrotman | destroy? |
| 23:11.58 | lucasgomes | wtf? |
| 23:12.00 | abrotman | intx: #bash ? |
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| 23:15.17 | giwe | any way to find with judd what packages uses a particular package as dependency? |
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| 23:15.56 | azeem | giwe: probably not, did you try apt-cache rdepends though? |
| 23:16.12 | Taram | @ abrotman + themill: "java-6-sun" was not working for all java crap at the tax page of the revenue agency...I changed it to "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-openjdk" ...now everything works fine in iceweasel |
| 23:17.05 | giwe | azeem that prolly works :) thanks |
| 23:17.25 | themill | Taram: openjdk 1 : sun 0. Yay! |
| 23:17.26 | dondelelcaro | or grep-aptavail -FDepends foopkg -s Package -n; |
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| 23:31.18 | Iradieh | Excuse me, if I use the regular Debian Stable DVD image instead of Netinstall, do I still get the option to customize my installation? (Such as removing/adding applications)? |
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| 23:33.18 | jetx | you don't get that anyway, anymore |
| 23:33.24 | jetx | just lame assed tasksel |
| 23:33.29 | azeem | Iradieh: after the installation? sure |
| 23:33.35 | Iradieh | After?! |
| 23:33.36 | Iradieh | damn |
| 23:33.43 | Iradieh | What about netinstall, do I still get to pick and choose there? |
| 23:33.47 | jetx | no |
| 23:33.48 | azeem | no |
| 23:34.09 | jetx | take all *'s or x's off in the package selection menu.. tasksel. it wil be over quick. |
| 23:34.24 | jetx | then finish and boot and choose |
| 23:34.38 | Iradieh | lol so in the taskel, pick nothing except bash? |
| 23:34.43 | Iradieh | then install-> then choose what I want? |
| 23:34.44 | jetx | pick nothin |
| 23:34.54 | jetx | you get a small minimal base |
| 23:35.22 | Iradieh | and I can do that in the regular DVD as well as the netinstall? |
| 23:35.26 | jetx | then finish the rest of the steps, reboot, and install stuff |
| 23:35.28 | Iradieh | Since I am downloading the regular DVD now.. |
| 23:35.45 | jetx | Iradieh: they're all the same cept for the medium (cd, dvd, net) |
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| 23:35.58 | jetx | same installer |
| 23:36.01 | jetx | same steps |
| 23:36.08 | jetx | same lame tasksel... |
| 23:36.11 | Iradieh | cool, but netinstall might have the latest version directly instead of me having to upgrade |
| 23:36.43 | jetx | yit's all stable, the dvd makes it quicker once you are actually installing stuff |
| 23:36.52 | jetx | but you have to d/l it first |
| 23:36.55 | jetx | so ... |
| 23:37.33 | jetx | i found i was getting maybe 80 or 90% off the dvd |
| 23:37.42 | jetx | after installing |
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| 23:38.34 | jetx | if you're installing testing though, netinst is the way |
| 23:38.52 | adama_ | if I have a web/mail server - if a hosted page uses PHP's mail() function to send to an address that is hosted on the server, will I see it in "tcpdump -ni eth0 port 25", or "tcpdump -ni lo port 25", or neither? |
| 23:39.05 | adama_ | s/^if // |
| 23:39.45 | Iradieh | jetx: nah stable, but I will go with netinst, just to get the latest shizzle |
| 23:39.58 | Iradieh | jetx: oh one more thing, could you please list the ehm "non open source" repositories here? |
| 23:40.01 | jetx | netinst is good |
| 23:40.02 | Iradieh | So I got them here at hand |
| 23:40.10 | jetx | just add contrib non-free after the line |
| 23:40.16 | Iradieh | what line? |
| 23:40.16 | jetx | err at the end of the line |
| 23:40.22 | jetx | in sources.list |
| 23:40.30 | Iradieh | just "contrib non-free" in the source file? nothing else? |
| 23:40.36 | Iradieh | no url, link or whatever? |
| 23:40.43 | azeem | 01:39 < jetx> err at the end of the line |
| 23:40.44 | jetx | no, the pre-existing line |
| 23:40.47 | jetx | after main |
| 23:40.50 | Iradieh | uh |
| 23:40.55 | jetx | !non-free |
| 23:40.55 | dpkg | non-free is, like, a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 23:40.57 | Iradieh | ehm ok. |
| 23:40.59 | jetx | gah |
| 23:41.02 | jetx | !contrib |
| 23:41.03 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like "deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [etch|lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 23:41.07 | jetx | there ya go |
| 23:41.17 | Iradieh | ehm |
| 23:41.20 | jetx | but the installer will put a line |
| 23:41.22 | Iradieh | still dont get what LINE i should have there for stable |
| 23:41.29 | Iradieh | but I guess I found out later |
| 23:41.30 | Iradieh | thanks mate. |
| 23:41.32 | jetx | the installer will put it |
| 23:41.44 | azeem | it might not if you skip the network setup though |
| 23:41.54 | jetx | it still does |
| 23:42.07 | jetx | even puts volitile |
| 23:42.14 | Iradieh | jetx: no the installer will not put it |
| 23:42.16 | jetx | vola |
| 23:42.17 | Iradieh | it didnt do it last time |
| 23:42.20 | Iradieh | spent HOURs looking for it, |
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| 23:42.23 | Iradieh | even wikipedia had wrong url |
| 23:42.27 | azeem | 01:40 < azeem> it might not if you skip the network setup though |
| 23:42.41 | jetx | installed stable about 10 times last 5 days |
| 23:42.49 | jetx | it put it for me |
| 23:42.58 | Iradieh | the contrib non-free? |
| 23:43.08 | azeem | Iradieh: of course not |
| 23:43.10 | jetx | it asked if i wanted to use them |
| 23:43.22 | jetx | it will put it if you tell it to |
| 23:43.24 | azeem | I think it asks if you need firmware |
| 23:43.31 | jetx | you need to know mirrors.kernel.org or so |
| 23:43.32 | azeem | not in general |
| 23:43.34 | jetx | other than that |
| 23:43.40 | jetx | or ftp.us.debian.org |
| 23:43.42 | Iradieh | eh |
| 23:43.47 | azeem | Iradieh: you know, synaptic even has a GUI for this |
| 23:43.48 | Iradieh | I guess I find out later. |
| 23:43.48 | jetx | morrors is QUICK now |
| 23:43.52 | jetx | mirrors |
| 23:43.52 | Iradieh | azeem: I dont use gui |
| 23:44.00 | azeem | Iradieh: right, please come back later with actual problems |
| 23:44.05 | Iradieh | azeem: ok |
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| 23:44.42 | jetx | Iradieh: http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list <--very old etch was stable, iirc |
| 23:45.23 | abrotman | lovely way to mess up his box |
| 23:45.59 | jetx | you would think this isn't ubuntu and he has at least some part of a clue... |
| 23:46.02 | jetx | :)\ |
| 23:46.36 | azeem | jetx: please don't point users to bogus repos |
| 23:46.57 | jetx | i don't think i did |
| 23:47.16 | azeem | it's pretty difficult to "have a clue" about 3rd party repos without being an export and/or doing major research on them |
| 23:47.22 | azeem | I think you did |
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| 23:47.48 | themill | pointing a lenny user to a sources.list full of "etch" and "sid" isn't very helpful either. |
| 23:47.55 | amphi | heh |
| 23:48.24 | jetx | yes it is |
| 23:48.28 | jetx | but that's another story |
| 23:48.44 | azeem | for another channel |
| 23:49.04 | jetx | but you're right, should say stable testing and unstable nothing else |
| 23:49.04 | abrotman | jetx: no, it's really not .. i've told you that before. They have no idea what those other lines do |
| 23:49.27 | jetx | abrotman: i find preweeding helpful.. but that's another story for another day |
| 23:49.33 | abrotman | it shouldn't say anything at all .. point them at debian.org/mirrors/list and man sources.list .. not your crap page full of dangerous reposoitories |
| 23:49.44 | jetx | ban me |
| 23:49.52 | azeem | we prefer to educate you |
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| 23:50.12 | themill | dpkg: tell jetx about stable sources.list |
| 23:50.24 | themill | jetx: "stable" is a really bad idea in your sources.list. |
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| 23:50.30 | kaduk | Hi |
| 23:50.41 | kaduk | is there any none broken compiz in debian sid? |
| 23:51.07 | jetx | works here kaduk |
| 23:51.14 | jetx | spins desktop |
| 23:51.23 | jetx | yep |
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| 23:52.01 | kaduk | jetx, compiz-gnome: Depends: libgnome-desktop-2 (>= 2.22.0) but it is not installable |
| 23:52.17 | kaduk | Depends: libmetacity0 (>= 1:2.22.0) but it is not installable |
| 23:52.17 | abrotman | judd: versions libgnome-desktop-2 |
| 23:52.18 | judd | abrotman: libgnome-desktop-2 -- etch: 2.14.3-2 lenny: 2.22.3-2 squeeze: 2.22.3-2 |
| 23:52.45 | jetx | yes icewm-gnome-suport depends on that one also |
| 23:52.55 | jetx | not available in sid |
| 23:52.56 | kaduk | libgnome-desktop-2-11 2.26.1-1 |
| 23:53.12 | jetx | but that's the gnome interface thingy, not compiz |
| 23:53.13 | azeem | kaduk: welcome to unstable |
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| 23:55.16 | enouf | ahh |
| 23:55.30 | enouf | judd: versions libgnome-desktop-2-11 |
| 23:55.30 | judd | enouf: libgnome-desktop-2-11 -- sid: 2.26.1-1 |
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| 23:57.15 | abrotman | thought the gnome 2.26 stuff was supposed to have happened already |
| 23:57.22 | jetx | ok. who knows how to keep parted from messing up windows when you shrink the windows partition... it's worked, and it's not worked. not worked more than it has worked. i must have done something right, but i dunno what |
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| 23:58.50 | jetx | mostly, it 'seems' to have worked when the partitions 'dont' end on the cylinder boundries... but that's bad eh |
| 23:59.39 | enouf | jetx: might depend where on the partition the $MFT actually resided (and.or other vital wintendo stuffs) |
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| 23:59.50 | kaduk | jetx, yeah but compiz depends on it and does not install |
