| 00:00.10 | azeem | kaduk: wait till it's fixed |
| 00:00.21 | enouf | or send in patches ;-) |
| 00:00.45 | azeem | it sounds like a rebuild to me |
| 00:00.46 | kaduk | I think its a matter of rebuilding... |
| 00:00.50 | jetx | where's the 'run box' in kde4.2 |
| 00:00.51 | Wyzard | abrotman: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.26-status.html |
| 00:01.05 | abrotman | Wyzard: i've seen that ... |
| 00:01.09 | enouf | jetx: also, have you noticed it working with only primary (vs Ext'd + Logical) partitions? |
| 00:01.18 | abrotman | and it doesn't really answer my question |
| 00:01.34 | enouf | 2.26 reminds me of a kernel version :-P |
| 00:01.39 | jetx | enouf: i don't do extended anymore... i had a bad experience with those |
| 00:01.40 | Wyzard | It looks like the libraries are up-to-date |
| 00:01.42 | Wyzard | just not all the apps |
| 00:02.13 | enouf | jetx: neither do i |
| 00:02.16 | jetx | it's hogging my sata drive and i want debian on it! |
| 00:02.24 | abrotman | Wyzard: but the "Debian" version is the one in experimental AFAICT |
| 00:02.53 | enouf | jetx: did you then shrink the FS once the partition was shrunk? |
| 00:03.00 | jetx | ? |
| 00:03.07 | jetx | fs? |
| 00:03.15 | enouf | chkdsk /f can do it? |
| 00:03.21 | enouf | filesystem |
| 00:03.29 | jetx | no i know 'what' fs is... |
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| 00:03.40 | jetx | first i've heard of shrinking the fs though |
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| 00:03.49 | Wyzard | abrotman: green means "up-to-date in unstable" |
| 00:03.52 | enouf | man resize2fs :-) |
| 00:04.13 | jetx | looks around for that kde runbox |
| 00:04.15 | jetx | gah |
| 00:04.16 | enouf | though, i guess you'd need to do that part prior |
| 00:04.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh, yes .. but that's still a lot of stuff that's out |
| 00:04.37 | BCM43 | could someone help me mount a samba share so I can stream music from it? |
| 00:04.41 | jetx | hey wel irssi has /exec .. who needs a runbox eh |
| 00:04.44 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh well .. not really a big deal |
| 00:04.54 | dalias | so is gimp just uninstallable in sid these days? :( |
| 00:05.04 | abrotman | try agian tomorrow |
| 00:05.10 | jetx | thinks gimp is installed |
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| 00:05.16 | Wyzard | anyway, I don't see any dependency problems with compiz-gnome on my system |
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| 00:05.18 | enouf | jetx: ksirc uses -out, not -o |
| 00:05.24 | dalias | ok. i already did the try-again-tomorrow thing once, but i can wait another day or two :) |
| 00:05.34 | dalias | i just love the new version of gimp and how it manages windows |
| 00:05.36 | dalias | and wanted to switch |
| 00:05.59 | enouf | you mean the html browsing gimp? |
| 00:06.13 | enouf | hides |
| 00:06.14 | jetx | damn i hope ya'll didn't see that |
| 00:06.18 | dalias | haha |
| 00:06.22 | dalias | :) |
| 00:06.29 | jetx | i didn't put -o |
| 00:06.33 | jetx | gimp-gimp-install-procedure' not found |
| 00:06.41 | dalias | its probably just some dumb plugin that uses webkit :) |
| 00:06.41 | jetx | it started though |
| 00:06.45 | dalias | maybe the help browser? |
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| 00:07.10 | enouf | dalias: whatever you do, do NOT hit f1 if kde is within 20 feet of you |
| 00:07.20 | dalias | ? |
| 00:07.27 | dalias | no kde on this box |
| 00:07.36 | enouf | dalias: your whole system will come to a grinding halt while khelp loads |
| 00:07.37 | dalias | my eeepc 2g surf is too small to even fit kde :-p |
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| 00:08.04 | enouf | you have a wii weewee? |
| 00:08.09 | jetx | hits f1 just to see |
| 00:08.14 | enouf | really hides now |
| 00:08.19 | dalias | need to get a 1000he :) |
| 00:08.34 | jetx | nothing |
| 00:08.44 | enouf | jetx: hit it harder :-P |
| 00:09.15 | enouf | jetx: btw which kde? 3.5.x? or 4.x? |
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| 00:09.17 | jetx | lol when gnome-term was in the foreground i got gnome gnome-term help |
| 00:09.25 | jetx | 4.x sid |
| 00:09.43 | alvarezp | Help, I think the fan of my Sid desktop is running at full speed. This is acpi -t output: http://pastebin.com/m19ae92f3 -- Kernel 2.6.26-1. Packages installed: acpi acpi-support acpi-support-base acpid laptop-detect libacpi0 libsensors[34] lm-sensors |
| 00:09.46 | enouf | oh .. never touched the stuff .. 3.5.x is getting flushed soon |
| 00:10.03 | jetx | 4.x is very vista-y |
| 00:10.09 | enouf | ewww |
| 00:10.21 | valdyn | alvarezp: so? |
| 00:10.21 | enouf | pardons jetx with a UAC applet |
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| 00:10.38 | valdyn | alvarezp: you want to enable cpu frequency scaling |
| 00:10.44 | valdyn | !cpufrequtils |
| 00:10.48 | jetx | the help seems to load quick enough |
| 00:10.49 | enouf | cpufreqd? |
| 00:10.50 | BCM43 | could someone help me mount a samba share so I can stream music from it? |
| 00:10.56 | valdyn | enouf: omg no |
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| 00:11.01 | enouf | jetx: try it on a p2 :-P |
| 00:11.05 | jetx | ah |
| 00:11.10 | enouf | valdyn: oh .. old? deprecated? |
| 00:11.11 | valdyn | alvarezp: install cpufrequtils and read the docs that come with it |
| 00:11.15 | jetx | this is an xp2400, almost as bad |
| 00:11.23 | alvarezp | valdyn: thanks a lot. Will do. |
| 00:11.41 | valdyn | enouf: useless when the kernel does it just fine |
| 00:11.42 | enouf | heh - jetx how much ram? 512 here |
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| 00:12.06 | valdyn | enouf: and GUI tools probably dont talk to it |
| 00:12.07 | jetx | down to 1gig, i took a stick and put it in my newly inherited p4 |
| 00:12.11 | jetx | box |
| 00:12.15 | enouf | valdyn: never knew cpufreqd wasn't kernel related ;-) just thought it was the pkgname + deamon |
| 00:12.24 | BCM43 | could someone help me mount a samba share so I can stream music from it? |
| 00:12.30 | enouf | valdyn: aye .. point taken |
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| 00:12.33 | jetx | !ask |
| 00:12.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 00:13.16 | enouf | BCM43: you might want mpd installed? |
| 00:13.24 | BCM43 | jetx: ok, sorry. how do i mount a samba share so I can stream music from it? |
| 00:13.52 | valdyn | BCM43: read the mount manpage? |
| 00:13.55 | jetx | just mount it in the usual fashion, man mount. maybe you need to set up smb first? |
| 00:14.00 | enouf | man smbmount? |
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| 00:14.20 | valdyn | BCM43: or use the file manager of your desktop environment |
| 00:14.21 | enouf | but use cifs if anything win2k or later? |
| 00:14.39 | jetx | BCM43: my samba-fu is weak, but the idea is for you to tell what you did, what you're trying to do and what didn't work |
| 00:14.42 | enouf | ahh .. yerp; kde has a "smb:/" kioplugin |
| 00:14.51 | valdyn | BCM43: cifs is the filesystem and section in the manpage, dont use smbfs |
| 00:15.10 | enouf | valdyn: unless it's win9x/ME :-) |
| 00:15.23 | valdyn | yea |
| 00:15.43 | BCM43 | jetx: tried going it via file manager, music player told me I did not have enough permissions. |
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| 00:16.28 | jetx | now just lose the 'jetx' part and you're on your way to being helped... |
| 00:16.34 | BCM43 | so i tried sudo mount -tcifs -ouser=patty,pass=passwd //billybob/music/ /mnt |
| 00:16.35 | valdyn | BCM43: depending on your servers configuration you have different permissions if you mount anonymousely or with a login |
| 00:16.40 | jetx | i'd help, but it wouldn't be any... help that is |
| 00:17.00 | valdyn | BCM43: does the manpage tell you that pass= exists? |
| 00:17.07 | enouf | BCM43: try an //ip.ad.dr.es/share |
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| 00:17.08 | valdyn | BCM43: or does it say "password= ? |
| 00:17.45 | valdyn | !smbrw |
| 00:17.48 | valdyn | oo |
| 00:17.49 | enouf | netbios might not be working or someshit - also see using netstat as root if portmap is running ... hrm .. |
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| 00:18.20 | enouf | BCM43: and what |
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| 00:18.30 | enouf | BCM43: and what's the exact error from that command? |
| 00:18.47 | BCM43 | enouf: one sec |
| 00:19.11 | enouf | yeah, pass= doesn't seem correct |
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| 00:19.42 | enouf | it's either passwd= or password= i'd bet .. but who knows .. i'm too lazy to manpage this crap :-) |
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| 00:20.15 | BCM43 | enouf: bash: //192.168.1.10/: No such file or directory |
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| 00:21.14 | enouf | BCM43: well, i meant even using your method/command, can you ping -c 4 192.168.1.10 ? |
| 00:21.56 | enouf | wait - 192.168.1.0 ? |
| 00:21.57 | BCM43 | enouf: yes |
| 00:21.59 | BCM43 | no |
| 00:22.07 | enouf | oh .. my bad |
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| 00:22.38 | enouf | BCM43: so what's "sudo mount -tcifs -ouser=patty,pass=passwd //billybob/music/ /mnt" say? |
| 00:23.09 | enouf | i have actually mounted win98 using smbfs .. once :-P |
| 00:23.27 | enouf | er .. a share on another LAN box |
| 00:23.29 | BCM43 | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on smb://billybob/music/, |
| 00:23.29 | BCM43 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.29 | BCM43 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.10 | enouf | BCM43: dmesg | tail provide more clues? |
| 00:24.21 | BCM43 | [ 6243.381566] CIFS: UNC Path does not begin with // or \\ |
| 00:24.21 | BCM43 | [ 6243.381590] CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22 |
| 00:24.47 | jetx | ok. resume: libgcrypt version blahblah ... resume: could not stat the resume device file /dev/sda4 ... so wil lthat magically go away when i create swap space, or will i need to edit something (assuming i don't put the swap on /dev/sda4) |
| 00:25.00 | jetx | there is no sda4 atm |
| 00:25.05 | jetx | windows is hogging |
| 00:25.33 | jetx | (the entire drive) |
| 00:25.57 | enouf | BCM43: no idea; all i used was; $ sudo mount -t smbfs //Pops/c /mnt/foobar/ in a user xterm |
| 00:26.52 | enouf | BCM43: I can't recall if it was required that i had to "/etc/init.d/samba start" or not .. also - check out that portmap thing i mentioned |
| 00:27.04 | BCM43 | mount: unknown filesystem type 'smbfs' |
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| 00:27.16 | lucasgomes | use mount.cifs instead mount -t smbfs its deprecied |
| 00:27.35 | enouf | that's ok BCM43 - i was mounting win98 :-P |
| 00:28.14 | BCM43 | mount.cifs command not found |
| 00:28.20 | enouf | BCM43: my point is, just alter that aspect, plugin your specifics and try it |
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| 00:28.40 | enouf | whereis mount.cifs |
| 00:28.50 | BCM43 | lucasgomes: |
| 00:28.57 | BCM43 | gave it to me |
| 00:29.02 | enouf | ~$ whereis mount.cifs |
| 00:29.02 | enouf | mount: /bin/mount /sbin/mount.cifs /sbin/mount.smbfs /usr/share/man/man2/mount.2.gz /usr/share/man/man8/mount.8.gz |
| 00:29.19 | enouf | BCM43: use sudo, or provide full path |
| 00:29.29 | BCM43 | mount: /bin/mount /sbin/mount.nfs /sbin/mount.nfs4 /usr/share/man/man8/mount.8.gz |
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| 00:29.45 | enouf | or add /sbin/ rel;ated and friends to your export PATH= in your .bashrc :-) |
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| 00:30.45 | enouf | BCM43: whose kernel? |
| 00:30.55 | BCM43 | debian? |
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| 00:31.01 | enouf | i doubt that |
| 00:31.12 | BCM43 | enouf: what do you mean? |
| 00:31.18 | BCM43 | by whose |
| 00:32.08 | lucasgomes | i think he want to know whats ur kernel version ... use "uname -r" |
| 00:32.19 | jetx | enouf: apparently parted's use the ntfsresize command automagically |
| 00:32.22 | BCM43 | 2.6.29-1-686 |
| 00:32.23 | enouf | BCM43: ~$ grep CIFS /boot/config-`uname -r` ; cat /proc/version |
| 00:32.43 | enouf | jetx: ahh .. how odd .. to me anyways |
| 00:33.04 | jetx | well the ntfsresize manpage say they do |
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| 00:33.13 | enouf | heh |
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| 00:33.37 | enouf | i guess you'd need to have ntfstools/ntfsutils installed though? |
| 00:33.38 | BCM43 | enouf: Linux version 2.6.29-1-686 (Debian 2.6.29-3) (maks@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.3 (Debian 4.3.3-8) ) #1 SMP Fri Apr 17 14:35:16 UTC 2009 |
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| 00:33.52 | jetx | yeah.. but they are |
| 00:34.03 | enouf | jetx: helpful |
| 00:34.07 | jetx | ntfsprogs |
| 00:34.12 | enouf | ahh .. |
| 00:34.25 | enouf | the "progs" appendage |
| 00:34.55 | enouf | when dos tools are dosfstools and mtools :-P |
| 00:35.17 | enouf | wtf do they think they are? reiserfsprogs? |
| 00:35.30 | jetx | reiserfsprogs, e2fsprogs |
| 00:36.15 | cire | if syslog tells me "ACPI: RTC can wake from S4", does this mean it is not possible to wake from S5, or may this be bogus? (never saw that message, but with 2.6.29 under ubuntu wake from S5 sworked fine on that machine) |
| 00:36.41 | cire | never saw that message does not mean it wasn't there |
| 00:36.56 | jetx | what really bites is i resized it a lot smaller, the first time, and it worked just fine.. but i booted the debian installer and used it.. but the cylinder boundries were violated! |
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| 00:37.59 | enouf | cire: i'd say check with dmesg? |
| 00:38.34 | cire | enouf: what should I check? I removed ubuntu (where wake from S5 worked) and now am using Lenny |
| 00:38.52 | enouf | [ 0.579928] ACPI: (supports S0 S1 S5) |
| 00:39.10 | enouf | grep any SN where N is a number |
| 00:39.10 | jetx | i 'think' the parteds are making it grow left |
| 00:39.57 | enouf | cire: also, "/msg dpkg what's my hardware" run dmidecode, lshw, hwinfo for other opinions ;-) |
| 00:40.21 | cire | hmm, okay, I'll do so. |
| 00:40.35 | cire | Just wanted to know whether I can trust syslog output |
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| 00:40.53 | enouf | cire: grep 'supports S' |
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| 00:41.11 | jetx | oo no shrinking jfs |
| 00:41.31 | jetx | i guess i can grow it though \o/ |
| 00:41.41 | enouf | cire: are you running Lenny? |
| 00:41.47 | cire | yes |
| 00:41.47 | enouf | yerp |
| 00:42.10 | cire | cannot find an S option for grep, and don't understand what you mean |
| 00:42.19 | enouf | cire: and what does dmesg | grep 'supports S' say ? |
| 00:42.29 | cire | ohhh, now I got you |
| 00:42.34 | cire | wait |
| 00:42.58 | enouf | cire: and what does "cat /proc/cmdline" say? |
| 00:43.05 | cire | [ 0.440014] ACPI: (supports S0 S1 S3 S4 S5) |
| 00:43.15 | enouf | (just to see any possible kernel params) |
| 00:43.30 | cire | root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet |
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| 00:43.51 | enouf | i'd say your S5 is supported .,.. now ,.. where'd that quiet come from? |
| 00:44.07 | cire | this is a fresh install |
| 00:44.23 | enouf | odd .. seems .. *buntu-ish .. |
| 00:44.24 | cire | I always get "quiet" for standard kernel |
| 00:44.35 | enouf | i never saw that in any Debian kernel |
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| 00:44.52 | cire | it IS lenny |
| 00:44.56 | enouf | linux-image-version .. even kernel-image-ones |
| 00:45.11 | enouf | i'm running .28 |
| 00:45.13 | cire | Linux mediatom 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:45.15 | enouf | now |
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| 00:45.51 | enouf | cire: cat /proc/version |
| 00:46.07 | cire | Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-15) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 |
| 00:46.37 | enouf | ok .. just odd.. |
| 00:46.51 | enouf | maybe laptop-mode choice or a tasksel choice adds that option |
| 00:47.14 | cire | I also could remove that... just supresses kernel messages |
| 00:47.20 | enouf | TBH, i haven't run any installer since .. er 2.6.17 - pre-Etch release |
| 00:47.49 | cire | I think I'll install some 2.6.29 kernel and have a look if it works |
| 00:48.15 | enouf | i know what it does, but just wanted to make sure you weren't .. er .. fibbing .. many come here, that are not running debian |
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| 00:49.20 | enouf | cire: what exactly is S5 - hibernate? are all the apropos acpi-* pkgs installed? and you say it stopped working once you removed ubuntu? |
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| 00:49.30 | ma3x | hi. why when i extract the flashplayer file to ~/.mozilla/plugins, when i go to a flash site it crashes? |
| 00:49.34 | cire | S5 is OFF |
| 00:49.44 | Stanlin | install flash was easy |
| 00:50.01 | cire | yes, I freshly installed lenny, over ubuntu (disk got formatted) |
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| 00:50.09 | enouf | cire: so your computer doesn;'t shut off? |
| 00:50.30 | cire | it does. But afterwards it doesn't get woken up again |
| 00:50.35 | cire | by the timer |
| 00:50.41 | enouf | that's not OFF, that's SLEEP |
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| 00:50.50 | enouf | or hibernate, or suspend |
| 00:51.00 | enouf | s2ram and s2disk |
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| 00:51.19 | cire | S4 is suspend to Disk |
| 00:51.24 | enouf | OFF == PWR_5V only trickle |
| 00:51.24 | cire | S3 to ram |
| 00:51.58 | enouf | which is used for WOL, and keep the CMOS battery happt |
| 00:52.00 | cire | When shutting down my machine, it gets to S5, doesn't it?? |
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| 00:52.11 | cire | yes |
| 00:52.13 | cire | you're right |
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| 00:52.27 | patrikf | enouf: how would one shutdown a computer to a timer-wakeable state? |
| 00:52.37 | enouf | cire: wait .. "<cire> it does. But afterwards it doesn't get woken up again" what does "woken" mean? |
| 00:52.43 | patrikf | (except save-to-ram/disk) |
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| 00:52.55 | enouf | cire: look at your BIOS power management and Power Button settings |
| 00:53.06 | enouf | patrikf: use a Dell? |
| 00:53.18 | cire | I set the rtc timer with date +"%s" -d "+5 minutes" >/sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm |
| 00:53.22 | patrikf | enouf: I hoped for a cheaper answer |
| 00:53.29 | enouf | which many of have Alarm Clock BIOSes |
| 00:53.35 | cire | the output of /proc/driver/rtc seems to be correct |
| 00:53.49 | cire | alarm irq is set a.s.o. |
| 00:53.55 | enouf | so, you've been messing with RTC .. eh? |
| 00:53.56 | cire | time is also correct |
| 00:54.03 | patrikf | enouf: mine does have one, but refuses to wake when shut down by linux. |
| 00:54.35 | cire | patrikf: this may be an issue with linux setting hwclock at poweroff |
| 00:54.59 | cire | often, rtc state also gets reseted then by bios |
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| 00:55.09 | enouf | patrikf: shame, i might suggest you pass the kernel some possible acpi_osi= param? |
| 00:55.11 | patrikf | hmh. didn't think of that. |
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| 00:55.32 | enouf | it does; hwclock.sh is responsible |
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| 00:55.54 | enouf | the /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh script to be exact .. or did |
| 00:56.01 | cire | yes |
| 00:56.08 | cire | you have set HWCLOCKACCESS to no |
| 00:56.14 | patrikf | yes, of course it does, but I didn't think that might mess up the timer |
| 00:56.26 | cire | that depends of your bios |
| 00:56.27 | patrikf | I'll check that next time, thanks :) |
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| 00:56.31 | cire | I read this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/WhatNext/ACPIWake a time ago |
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| 00:57.12 | cire | forgot to mention that I did that, of course |
| 00:57.16 | oh_noes | Hi, is there a deb based distribution which can install into less than 128Mb? |
| 00:57.19 | enouf | cire: i suggest you file a bug report please .. you seem to know enough about it to help resolve it |
| 00:57.44 | patrikf | oh_noes: maybe emdebian |
| 00:57.45 | cire | I found a bug a few seconds before, just have to confirm that it matches |
| 00:57.46 | enouf | oh_noes: see grml.org .. |
| 00:58.11 | enouf | oh_noes: the small is under 100MB IIRC |
| 00:58.27 | oh_noes | enouf: I need it installed on disk though, not live CD |
| 00:58.32 | oh_noes | patrikf: perfect, thank you |
| 00:58.37 | enouf | and all it contains is tools/utils - no X |
| 00:58.50 | enouf | you can install it .. but ok |
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| 01:00.17 | ma3x | why is the damn firefox crashing when opening flash sites? |
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| 01:00.34 | cire | ma3x: how did you install flash? |
| 01:00.36 | oh_noes | patrikf: theres no ISO installer for embedian? |
| 01:00.54 | gm152 | Possibly wrong flash file if you installed it manually. |
| 01:00.55 | ma3x | cire: downloaded from adobe site, extracted the tar.gz and put in .mozilla/plugins |
| 01:01.02 | ma3x | well what do I do then? |
| 01:01.05 | patrikf | oh_noes: haven't used emdebian yet, just know of its existence |
| 01:01.06 | jetx | wonders how many embedded devices have a cdrom attatched |
| 01:01.11 | jetx | ma3x: bad plan |
| 01:01.24 | enouf | cire: i wouldn't have looked at the URL even if you did mention it earlier ;0 however, i have no idea how noob any user asking for help is .. especially when they have trouble deciphering a grep command alteration ;-) |
| 01:01.25 | ma3x | automatic installation is not available |
| 01:01.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetx, usb! |
| 01:01.46 | patrikf | iso + usb? |
| 01:02.00 | jetx | cp |
| 01:02.01 | cire | hrhr |
| 01:02.19 | patrikf | oh_noes: where does your 128m limitation actually come from? |
| 01:02.24 | cire | ma3x: there is a package in debian-multimedia, as i remember |
| 01:02.31 | ma3x | oh let me see |
| 01:02.41 | enouf | cire: but i guess you show the fallout of learning *buntu over it's Daddy ;-) |
| 01:03.02 | cire | seems like ;) |
| 01:03.12 | enouf | cire: welcome home son ;-) |
| 01:03.31 | cire | that was my only ubuntu machine, simply because of mythbuntu (it is a htpc) |
| 01:03.42 | cire | now I am migrating, and... grrrr :) |
| 01:03.54 | jetx | lots of mythtv stuff in sources.. or was it dmm sources |
| 01:04.09 | enouf | ma3x: there are 5 gazillion flash-related pkgs, i use /msg dpkg youtube script |
| 01:04.18 | enouf | for obviousness |
| 01:04.58 | oh_noes | patrikf: it's an embedded device, with only 128Mb Flash |
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| 01:05.14 | cire | time for bed now, its 3am in germany |
| 01:05.16 | enouf | mb? or Mb or MB? |
| 01:05.19 | cire | thanks for your help, enouf |
| 01:05.33 | jetx | apt-cache search flash |grep mozilla |
| 01:05.46 | enouf | cire: sleep well - and hurry back .. welcome |
| 01:05.50 | jetx | apt-cache search mozilla |grep plug |
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| 01:05.58 | ma3x | enouf: you browse with links2, me with firefox/iceweasel |
| 01:06.00 | enouf | eww .. blowzilla |
| 01:06.04 | oh_noes | 128MB |
| 01:06.08 | enouf | ma3x: yes |
| 01:06.31 | jetx | i finally installed links2 but have yet to run it |
| 01:06.40 | enouf | and i browse <i>f-a-s-t</i> ;-) |
| 01:06.52 | adb | oh_noes: and RAM ? |
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| 01:07.01 | ma3x | enouf: so you never go to flash sites? only youtube? |
| 01:07.02 | oh_noes | 256Mb RAM |
| 01:07.09 | adb | try debirf |
| 01:07.16 | ma3x | you use your xp box in that case right? |
| 01:07.36 | enouf | ma3x: basically ... it's not that i don't go there, i just never see anything .. sometimes i see [EMBED] |
| 01:07.49 | enouf | you? |
| 01:07.53 | jpinx-eeepc | How would I setup a caching dns server to overcome potential delays in my ISP's service? |
| 01:07.57 | enouf | ahh debirf .. adb |
| 01:08.01 | enouf | !hug adb |
| 01:08.01 | dpkg | wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around adb |
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| 01:08.06 | ma3x | enouf: i'm elite hacker so i use firefox :p |
| 01:08.18 | enouf | hahaha ... er ... |
| 01:08.20 | adb | enouf: greetings ;) |
| 01:08.26 | enouf | gg ;-) |
| 01:08.28 | bjk | jpinx-eeepc, pdnsd is good |
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| 01:09.45 | jpinx-eeepc | bjk: looks interesting - what sort of space does it occupy on the hdd |
| 01:09.56 | bjk | jpinx-eeepc, the cache size is adjustable |
| 01:10.01 | jetx | apt-cache show should tell you eh |
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| 01:10.15 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: you might want to verify that's the actual problem first |
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| 01:10.23 | bjk | jpinx-eeepc, oh yeah, apt-cache |
| 01:10.42 | Stanlin | gEEypc |
| 01:10.44 | jpinx-eeepc | I looked at aptitude show |
| 01:10.51 | enouf | eww |
| 01:11.20 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: abrotman mentions an important point |
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| 01:11.44 | jpinx-eeepc | and aptitude install -s tells me 877KBs but that's just the install - what aboutthe cache? |
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| 01:12.03 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: he told you that you could adjust that |
| 01:12.13 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: err ok - how to check the speed on my ISP's dns? |
| 01:12.27 | ma3x | can out of date freshmeat projects be found somewhere? I'm looking for XLiquid gtk1 theme, but can't find it anymore |
| 01:12.34 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: yea - adjust between what and what? |
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| 01:12.52 | abrotman | 0 and 1 ? by multiples of 100 ? read the docs |
| 01:12.58 | jpinx-eeepc | between 0 an 10 MBS I can live with ;) |
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| 01:13.25 | jpinx-eeepc | how to check the speed on my ISP's dns? |
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| 01:13.49 | jpinx-eeepc | before I get into something new |
| 01:14.54 | bjk | jpinx-eeepc, "time nslookup hostname"? |
| 01:14.58 | cire | enouf: I couldn't go to bed before trying... 2.6.29 from sid works! It woke up... |
| 01:15.13 | enouf | speed? just rotate the list of nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf and see if it has any effect - though you might want to test using wget + various browsers |
| 01:15.31 | enouf | cire: happy fun ball is joyous |
| 01:15.42 | cire | ;) |
| 01:15.53 | jetx | !do something |
| 01:15.53 | dpkg | reluctantly agrees to do something |
| 01:15.54 | jpinx-eeepc | bjk: nslookup needs dnsutils - no? |
| 01:16.03 | cire | bye, have a nice time |
| 01:16.08 | jpinx-eeepc | can I use host instead? |
| 01:16.12 | bjk | jpinx-eeepc, yeah it does |
| 01:16.20 | streuner | !find nslookup |
| 01:16.32 | enouf | judd: info nslookup |
| 01:16.49 | jpinx-eeepc | I found nslookup in dnsutils |
| 01:16.52 | enouf | smacks the bots on the same machine ... O-o |
| 01:17.07 | bjk | jpinx-eeepc, might not get the same results. it seems to handle caching differently. at least over here. |
| 01:17.10 | jpinx-eeepc | but it's a big package and I'm pushed for space on my eeepc |
| 01:17.13 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nslookup' (6 of 8): (/usr/bin/nslookup) in net/dnsutils ;; (/usr/share/rbot/plugins/nslookup.rb) in net/rbot ;; (/usr/share/scrollz/help/nslookup) in net/scrollz ;; (/usr/share/gajim/src/common/nslookup.py) in net/gajim ;; (/usr/share/procmail-lib/pm-janslookup.rc) in mail/procmail-lib ;; (/usr/share/doc/kaptain/examples/nslookup.kaptn) in utils/kaptain. |
| 01:17.37 | jpinx-eeepc | bleugh! |
| 01:18.05 | jpinx-eeepc | I suppose I can always purge it after using it |
| 01:18.23 | bjk | jpinx-eeepc, really cant go wrong with a caching DNS server. |
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| 01:18.45 | jpinx-eeepc | installs dnsutils (for now) |
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| 01:20.23 | jpinx-eeepc | bjk: it's telling me real0m0.269s - is that reasonable? |
| 01:20.31 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: let your router cache you dns ;-) |
| 01:21.03 | jpinx-eeepc | real0m0.385s |
| 01:21.05 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: did you install/try host? |
| 01:21.06 | jpinx-eeepc | bjk: ^^ |
| 01:21.13 | enouf | s/you/your |
| 01:21.17 | bjk | i guess. pdnsd is instantaneous |
| 01:21.19 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: no - just dnsutils for now |
| 01:21.25 | abrotman | or that .. whichever |
| 01:21.43 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: that's a good plan because I presume all the lan would be able to use it |
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| 01:21.50 | enouf | yes |
| 01:22.04 | jpinx-eeepc | how to make my shitty ISP-provided router do that? |
| 01:22.28 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: if you can't control it, won't matter |
| 01:22.31 | enouf | heh dunno, offhand |
| 01:22.33 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman time nslookup $HOST = around .385s |
| 01:22.55 | abrotman | not awful |
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| 01:23.15 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: so is it your browser that is having issues resolving? |
| 01:23.16 | jpinx-eeepc | takes a wander through the gui control interface of the router |
| 01:23.34 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: dunno - it's standard iceweasel |
| 01:23.37 | enouf | maybe trying unnecessary ipv6 routes? |
| 01:23.53 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: about:config |
| 01:23.58 | jpinx-eeepc | as supplied with lenny ;) |
| 01:24.05 | enouf | find all filters with ipv6 |
| 01:24.10 | enouf | disable it |
| 01:24.37 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: ok |
| 01:24.48 | Jouva | Quick question, where's a list of the contents of the DVDs? I have yet to find a list on the sites with the files or on the pages that link to said sites |
| 01:24.56 | enouf | one has atleast 'network' in it's name |
| 01:25.01 | bjk | the delay from "host" rather than "nslookup" is that "host" was looking up MX records. |
| 01:25.05 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: most of those little crappy routers already cache |
| 01:25.20 | Jouva | It'd be nice if there was a README in the directories for the .torrent files that said DVD1 contains Foo, DVD2 contains Bar, etc |
| 01:25.36 | enouf | !cd contents |
| 01:25.36 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
| 01:26.22 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: network.dns/disableIPv6 default boolean false |
| 01:26.29 | Jouva | thank you :P |
| 01:26.47 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: do I change that? |
| 01:26.50 | enouf | erm .. a / jpinx-eeepc ? |
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| 01:27.04 | Jouva | Actually |
| 01:27.10 | Jouva | enouf, I was looking more for a summar |
| 01:27.12 | Jouva | summary |
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| 01:27.15 | enouf | yeah ,, i'd change it 180 |
| 01:27.16 | Jouva | Rather than a list of files. |
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| 01:27.29 | enouf | summary == ? |
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| 01:27.50 | Jouva | DVD 1 contains the installer (I assume it does?) DVD2 contains contrib, etc |
| 01:28.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | DVD1 must contain a lot more |
| 01:28.07 | Jouva | Just a summary of the overall type of contents |
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| 01:28.20 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: ok - it's false now |
| 01:28.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I've only ever uset internet |
| 01:28.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/uset/used/ |
| 01:28.35 | enouf | Jouva: er .. netinstaller is the only one that does not contain contrib and non-free -- all set by popcon |
| 01:28.38 | enouf | IINM |
| 01:28.59 | Jouva | I guess I'm not getting myself across right :) |
| 01:29.07 | Jouva | I want to see what DVDs I should download |
| 01:29.22 | Jouva | So I don't download and burn and waste bandwidth and a DVD to find out it's something not worth getting |
| 01:29.23 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: whatever it/they were .. toggle them |
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| 01:29.32 | amphi | Jouva: netinstall is not practical for you? |
| 01:29.45 | Jouva | amphi: Not at the moment. |
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| 01:31.28 | jpinx-eeepc | 36seconds to load www.airliners.net :( |
| 01:31.40 | enouf | yikes |
| 01:32.01 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: you sure your ISP doesn't proxy? |
| 01:32.14 | etchPRSN | wonders about changing screen geometry in OpenBox... anybody using that ? |
| 01:32.15 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: try other browsers and try d/l and try wget/curl / lynx . etc |
| 01:32.16 | Jouva | Wait so... these DVDs contain the ENTIRE stable repository of packages and contributed packages? |
| 01:32.29 | Jouva | And DVD1 also has the installer |
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| 01:32.44 | jetx | yep |
| 01:32.58 | Jouva | Oh ok n/m then |
| 01:33.00 | enouf | 5 DVDs do ... yes |
| 01:33.10 | Jouva | So yeah might as well just get DVD1 |
| 01:33.13 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: same site took 24 seconds to reload (F5) |
| 01:33.15 | enouf | 1 also contains the installer - naturally |
| 01:33.30 | enouf | what? |
| 01:33.48 | enouf | i never said reload |
| 01:33.50 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: faster - which might indicate some caching somewhere |
| 01:33.56 | enouf | no |
| 01:34.15 | enouf | your iceweasel sucks firepoop |
| 01:34.28 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: I have no way of telling if the ISP proxy - anything is possible down here :-/ |
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| 01:34.58 | etchPRSN | ice users please ignore what enouf said :--) |
| 01:35.11 | jpinx-eeepc | tries epiphany |
| 01:35.24 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: sure you do |
| 01:35.37 | jetx | konqueror is interesting as a webbrowser |
| 01:35.51 | enouf | www.airliners.net loaded fast in links2 -g .. but there was some "transferring" time cause it's loaded with crap but it |
| 01:36.06 | enouf | "resolved" real fast |
| 01:36.10 | mosno | jetx: interesting to note how many websites are not open/standards based? |
| 01:36.45 | etchPRSN | konqueror yes excellent |
| 01:36.56 | jetx | well i did notice it didn't work on all sites.. but it's still interesting as a browser |
| 01:37.02 | enouf | jetx: interesting in HOW CAN I POSSIBLY MAKE A SLOWER BROWSER THAT RIVALS 1992 DIALUP SPEEDs |
| 01:37.05 | enouf | yes |
| 01:37.12 | mosno | konqueror is nice if you wade in the nicer parts of the web |
| 01:37.28 | abrotman | like only w3.org ? |
| 01:37.45 | jetx | enouf: ok your links2 is teh bestest.... |
| 01:37.47 | amphi | there are nice parts? |
| 01:37.59 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: epiphaby is the same loading time as iceweasel |
| 01:37.59 | jetx | uses his c2d to make icefireweasel run faster |
| 01:38.00 | mosno | amphi: you know, those "designed by geeks for geeks" sites |
| 01:38.07 | adb | jpinx-eeepc: try dillo |
| 01:38.18 | enouf | jetx: konqueror has earned the term == KonqOut |
| 01:38.21 | pickcoder | ponders konq on the beta site |
| 01:38.35 | abrotman | mosno: there's a deli near me that has "designed for firefox" and the site is utter crap |
| 01:38.36 | amphi | mosno: oh, you mean ones that behave properly with w3m, I get you ;) |
| 01:38.39 | jetx | !take away enouf's eyecandy |
| 01:38.51 | jetx | amaya is the best |
| 01:38.55 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: no .. not ANOTHER gecko based POS |
| 01:39.18 | jetx | ie 2.0 is your god |
| 01:39.36 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions dillo |
| 01:39.36 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: dillo -- etch: 0.8.5-4.1 sid: 0.8.6-3 |
| 01:39.36 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: try wget ? |
| 01:39.40 | jpinx-eeepc | ble |
| 01:39.42 | enouf | abrotman: lkml.org ? :-) |
| 01:39.47 | jpinx-eeepc | no dillo enouf |
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| 01:40.01 | jetx | perl! |
| 01:40.51 | amphi | pokes enouf with midori |
| 01:40.51 | jetx | (wish i had copied that guys script.. he d/l'd the pages and stripped out the ads) |
| 01:40.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | telnet... |
| 01:41.08 | enouf | drowns webkit in the bathtub along with the republican party |
| 01:41.48 | jetx | yes let the democrats run this country into the ground.. the republicans had long enough |
| 01:42.20 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: wget showed me 17.4KB/s |
| 01:42.20 | jetx | s/$(political\ party)/polititicans |
| 01:42.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | urgh, dillo |
| 01:42.47 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: sorry .. meant for you to time it |
| 01:42.51 | enouf | congresscritters are all the same las cocorachas :-) |
| 01:43.01 | jetx | eggactly |
| 01:43.06 | jetx | eggs |
| 01:43.24 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: 317,926 9.57K/s in 18s |
| 01:43.34 | enouf | ... |
| 01:43.51 | enouf | that's 10x better than KonqOut :-( |
| 01:43.52 | jetx | but.. this is loading the page, right? not 'just' the dns lookups |
| 01:43.56 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: can you paste all the output in a pastebin ? |
| 01:44.03 | jpinx-eeepc | sure |
| 01:44.05 | jpinx-eeepc | moment |
| 01:44.24 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: show yourself d/l a kernel from kernel.org too |
| 01:44.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, they didn't say WHAT they designed for firefox :) |
| 01:45.02 | jetx | my bandwidth gets maxxed out at 710... how do i speed it up |
| 01:45.09 | jetx | d/l speed |
| 01:45.14 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: honestly .. *awful* site |
| 01:45.15 | enouf | 42 |
| 01:45.20 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d3345b737 |
| 01:45.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetx, drill holes in the cables... the air cools the cable and that results in higher download speeds |
| 01:45.38 | enouf | haha |
| 01:46.02 | jetx | ahhh.. thanks guy, i'll get right on it.. oh, which cable and how do i know where the optimum drilling point(s) are/is |
| 01:46.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | there was a howto |
| 01:46.25 | jetx | googles |
| 01:46.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm juuuuust looking for it |
| 01:47.06 | etchPRSN | hey CutMeOwnThroat I went home and loaded OpenBox but it runs with a different geometry than nautilus(?)... know if that can be changed ? |
| 01:47.08 | pickcoder | tying knots in the patch cables help too |
| 01:47.13 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d7930233 |
| 01:47.15 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: you're going to end up having ot use a tcp dumper |
| 01:47.20 | jetx | never buy glasses from eyemasters |
| 01:47.25 | jetx | you get what you pay for |
| 01:47.33 | abrotman | though pastebin.com took no time at all |
| 01:47.42 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: sounds like earthmoving machinery |
| 01:47.56 | pickcoder | what about netcat? |
| 01:48.12 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: is your ISP home page slow too ? |
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| 01:48.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | aw, too much other stuff... or perhaps I should not expect it to stick around for 8 years |
| 01:48.29 | chuck | Hey, I'm getting this odd error message when I try to use PHP after installing PDO: |
| 01:48.34 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: dunno - never looked at it |
| 01:48.34 | chuck | PHP Fatal error: PDO: driver sqlite2 requires PDO API version 20060511; this is PDO version 20060409 in Unknown on line 0 |
| 01:48.37 | jpinx-eeepc | not even sure what the url is |
| 01:49.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetx, aw, just google for "boost your internet speed now" ... loads of great software which will quadruple your internet speed!!!11 |
| 01:50.00 | jetx | free, i bet, too |
| 01:50.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh yeah |
| 01:50.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | $0 trial versions |
| 01:50.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | spyware included |
| 01:50.21 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: telefonica.com.pe -> 49,611 43.5K/s in 1.1s |
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| 01:51.12 | jetx | screams in agony, 'then' rips his eyes out |
| 01:51.21 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: enouf will traceroute show more interesting info? |
| 01:51.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetx, you're not in #debian-offtopic, though :( |
| 01:51.48 | abrotman | mtr maybe |
| 01:52.05 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: 8 hops to get the first google router |
| 01:52.48 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.58 | jetx | damn // still works |
| 01:53.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | etchPRSN, the WM doesn't have anything to do with your screen resolution (if you mean that by geometry) - you can run X completely without WM and it's the same - you must have changed xorg.conf |
| 01:53.29 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d5aa9d21c |
| 01:53.34 | jetx | or gnome switches the rezes |
| 01:53.47 | abrotman | eh .. mtr .. not traceroute |
| 01:53.48 | jetx | and flux leaves stuff alone.. s/flux/open/ |
| 01:54.06 | jetx | man xorg.conf |
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| 01:54.49 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: mtr command not found |
| 01:55.01 | jetx | mtrr isn't it? |
| 01:55.05 | jetx | knows not |
| 01:55.15 | abrotman | you would have to install it |
| 01:55.16 | enouf | no |
| 01:55.21 | jpinx-eeepc | mtrr command not found |
| 01:55.32 | jetx | ignore me jp |
| 01:55.33 | abrotman | jetx: different things |
| 01:55.33 | enouf | mtrr is memory type range register |
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| 01:56.07 | jpinx-eeepc | installs mtr |
| 01:56.07 | enouf | judd info mtr |
| 01:56.08 | judd | enouf: mtr (net): is extra; Version: 0.73-1; Size: 48.3k; Installed: 164k -- Full screen ncurses and X11 traceroute tool |
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| 01:56.50 | jpinx-eeepc | lier - installs as 168kBs |
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| 01:57.53 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: ok - it's churning google.com - what am I specifically looking for? |
| 01:58.14 | abrotman | stupidly high avgs ? |
| 01:58.41 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: can't copy'n'paste :( |
| 01:58.59 | jetx | your screen/gpm-fu is weak |
| 01:59.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | gpm stopped working for me years ago |
| 01:59.24 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: is it doing that ? |
| 01:59.26 | jpinx-eeepc | avg 6024 - is that high enough? |
| 01:59.30 | jetx | my screen/gpm-fu is weakest |
| 01:59.41 | jpinx-eeepc | Loss 60.7% |
| 01:59.46 | abrotman | jesus |
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| 02:00.12 | jpinx-eeepc | another one says loss 64.3% but the average is 96 |
| 02:00.23 | abrotman | that much loss is really bad |
| 02:00.42 | jpinx-eeepc | now you're starting to understand my problem;) |
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| 02:01.09 | pickcoder | would drop an ISP that bad immediately |
| 02:01.33 | Tairic1 | is there any way to have tab-completion in sftp? |
| 02:02.00 | jpinx-eeepc | the losses are - - 0, 6.9, 60.7, 7.1, 3.6, 3.6, 3.6, 11.1, 64.3, 14.3, 7.1, 14.8, 7.1,14.3, 3.6, 3.6, 0, 0 |
| 02:02.29 | jpinx-eeepc | pickcoder: I'd be happy to, but they are the only provider here |
| 02:02.45 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: that 60% one is bad |
| 02:02.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tairic1, bash autocompletes my scps when I have a passwordless key... but sftp seems not |
| 02:02.54 | abrotman | well .. anything over 10 kind of is :) |
| 02:03.05 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: yea - 2 @ over 60% |
| 02:03.16 | jpinx-eeepc | I got lots over 10% |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: you should try it agian plugged in to eliminate the wifi |
| 02:03.36 | jpinx-eeepc | 2 over 60 and 4 others over 10 :) |
| 02:03.38 | abrotman | and that might only be part of the issue |
| 02:03.39 | Tairic1 | ok |
| 02:03.53 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: this *is* plugged in ;) |
| 02:04.01 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: oh .. you might want to call your ISP |
| 02:04.23 | jpinx-eeepc | I've spoken to them heaps, but they are not interested |
| 02:04.33 | abrotman | though when i called the one for work and showed them 30% on a core a few times .. they didn't care a bit |
| 02:04.36 | pickcoder | which are hops are losing the packets? |
| 02:04.38 | jpinx-eeepc | they have amonopoly and don't give adam |
| 02:04.40 | pickcoder | is it your ISP's network? |
| 02:04.46 | abrotman | pickcoder: it seems to be |
| 02:04.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tairic1, actually google gives you lots, there |
| 02:05.25 | abrotman | pickcoder: though .. i have no idea how the networks in his country work, so i really can't be sure |
| 02:05.31 | jpinx-eeepc | pickcoder: So7-3-0-0-grtmiabr3.red.telef loses 60.7% |
| 02:05.35 | jetx | wants a monopoly |
| 02:05.38 | Tairic1 | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll check it out, thanks |
| 02:05.53 | jpinx-eeepc | and 72.14.236.178 loses 64.3% |
| 02:06.06 | jpinx-eeepc | that firs one is in Brazil |
| 02:06.09 | pickcoder | then they either have a saturated switch or they have some routing issues |
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| 02:06.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tairic1, like "yafc" |
| 02:06.43 | jpinx-eeepc | pickcoder: I'm in Peru - there's one bit of wire from here to the internet and it goes to Miami :p |
| 02:06.46 | abrotman | pickcoder: or a million other issues that could be happening |
| 02:07.28 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: so dns cachingisn't going to fix this I guess?:( |
| 02:07.40 | jpinx-eeepc | contemplates a satellite |
| 02:07.56 | pickcoder | satellite is one-way |
| 02:08.00 | abrotman | ah .. no |
| 02:08.00 | pickcoder | you still need a copper line |
| 02:08.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tairic1, lftp is also rather awesom (and can do sftp://some.host ) |
| 02:08.10 | jpinx-eeepc | satellite is 2-way |
| 02:08.13 | Tairic1 | oh excellent |
| 02:08.19 | pickcoder | since when and using what service |
| 02:08.21 | Tairic1 | my server doesn't seem to like yafc for some reason |
| 02:08.24 | jpinx-eeepc | just damn expensive |
| 02:08.34 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: no it's not? |
| 02:08.41 | jpinx-eeepc | ??? |
| 02:08.51 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: you send your requests via a dialup line, and download via the satellite |
| 02:09.02 | jetx | new political slogan: free highspeed internet for all |
| 02:09.05 | jpinx-eeepc | my neighbours had 2way internet by satellite in Spain 5 years ago |
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| 02:09.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, you juuust need a 5m satellite dish |
| 02:09.23 | enouf | .. |
| 02:09.24 | jpinx-eeepc | no phone line - just a big dish |
| 02:09.30 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: is that all ? |
| 02:09.37 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i meant for consumers ... |
| 02:09.41 | enouf | cAn we get any more off the subject? |
| 02:09.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure, what do you think of the weather? |
| 02:10.04 | abrotman | *rain* |
| 02:10.04 | pickcoder | yeah we could talk about politics again like before |
| 02:10.07 | jetx | is waiting on chkdsk :/ |
| 02:10.08 | jpinx-eeepc | you could microwave your lunch in the dish:) |
| 02:10.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 02:10.17 | unomi | weather is a pretty good idea |
| 02:10.41 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: sorry - I'll probably get the blame -- again :( |
| 02:10.50 | pickcoder | jpinx-eeepc: no high-speed wireless or cell? |
| 02:10.50 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: anyways.. call your ISP or get a new one |
| 02:11.01 | jetx | been there.. isn't one |
| 02:11.12 | jetx | or 'there can be only one' |
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| 02:11.30 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: listen ; does a) your ISP suck. b) does your browser suck? c) does your LAN setup suck? d) does your kernel module suck? e) all of the above |
| 02:12.06 | jpinx-eeepc | checks all enouf 's boxes |
| 02:12.25 | kiraa | would it work to if I compile a customized 2.6.8 kernel to replace 2.6.26.2 on debian lenny? |
| 02:12.39 | enouf | no |
| 02:12.46 | jetx | libc6 deps for one |
| 02:12.57 | enouf | many changes - mainly udev |
| 02:13.11 | jetx | fuck udev |
| 02:13.16 | jetx | oops |
| 02:13.26 | enouf | devfs 4ever! |
| 02:13.51 | jetx | i never used it.. not that full on thing.. just the stub |
| 02:14.12 | enouf | 2.4 babay |
| 02:14.14 | jetx | the 'needed for initrd' stub thing in the .config |
| 02:14.39 | enouf | well yaird provided a way around it ... :-P |
| 02:14.49 | kiraa | but I dont understand, isnt the whole idea for the system to be modular? so not be able to replace the kernel only |
| 02:15.01 | kiraa | so why not* |
| 02:15.24 | jetx | 's reason is that he gets the bugs others don't |
| 02:15.35 | jetx | --purging udev gets rid of them |
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| 02:15.45 | enouf | modular? yes - replacing BMWs with Dinosaurs? ... er |
| 02:15.47 | jetx | course *now* that's not realy an option |
| 02:15.54 | jetx | l |
| 02:16.09 | pickcoder | kiraa: do you really mean 2.6.8 or 2.6.18? |
| 02:16.17 | pickcoder | because 2.6.8 is a bit old |
| 02:16.24 | kiraa | I mean 2.6.8 |
| 02:16.33 | pickcoder | why? |
| 02:16.35 | enouf | hears jetx scream as the alarm wakens him from the dream |
| 02:16.36 | jetx | just for shits, why would you want to |
| 02:16.50 | kiraa | hmm, I thought 2.6.8 was more recent that 2.6.18 |
| 02:16.57 | jetx | i screamed a bit back there in time enouf ... hvy sleeper eh |
| 02:16.57 | pickcoder | huh? |
| 02:17.03 | enouf | jetx: you forgot 'and giggles' |
| 02:17.27 | jetx | enouf: no, i chose between them.. i was gonna go for shits, then giggles, and reverted to shits |
| 02:17.44 | enouf | how economical of you |
| 02:17.51 | neoice | is there an easy way to make scripts in cron.hourly be quiet? |
| 02:18.02 | enouf | chmod -x them :-) |
| 02:18.05 | pickcoder | kiraa: have you see the most recent version on kernel.org? |
| 02:18.11 | jetx | not sure but this *maybe* |
| 02:18.11 | abrotman | neoice: redirect all the output to devnull |
| 02:18.15 | jetx | !printk |
| 02:18.15 | dpkg | i heard printk is see docs for sysctl and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See linux/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt or man 5 proc /printk for meaning of the numbers (console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level, default_console_loglevel) |
| 02:18.20 | pickcoder | the numbers don't normally decrease |
| 02:18.27 | kiraa | I thought 2.6.8 was the most stable recent |
| 02:18.34 | kiraa | lemme check again |
| 02:18.39 | jetx | kiraa: http://kernel.org/ |
| 02:18.43 | pickcoder | 2.6.18 was Etch |
| 02:18.44 | enouf | try /topic |
| 02:19.03 | neoice | abrotman: yeah, I'm familiar with that, but you generally do that in the crontab. I'm only really interested in muting one script |
| 02:19.42 | abrotman | neoice: set the MAILTO to nobody |
| 02:20.00 | neoice | abrotman: ah, clever. thanks :D |
| 02:20.04 | pickcoder | s/nobody/null |
| 02:20.07 | jetx | 2.6.18 was sarge wasn't it? |
| 02:20.26 | abrotman | no .. set it to nobody .. nobody's mail goes to devnull |
| 02:20.34 | pickcoder | if it's set that way |
| 02:20.48 | pickcoder | better safe than to end up rerouting it to root |
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| 02:21.34 | kiraa | Oh, I meant 2.6.28.8... sorry |
| 02:22.02 | enouf | kiraa: some years difference :0 |
| 02:22.02 | kiraa | which is not much newer anyway |
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| 02:22.11 | jetx | nm |
| 02:22.18 | enouf | than what you mentioned prior |
| 02:24.04 | jetx | kills taskbar grouping |
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| 02:24.43 | alepando | hello |
| 02:25.01 | pickcoder | kiraa: did you look in lenny's backports for kernels? |
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| 02:26.19 | jetx | curses all the freespace on the windows partition |
| 02:26.27 | pickcoder | there probably aren't any backported kernels at this point, though |
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| 02:28.13 | jmoncayo | !seen dusted |
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| 02:29.06 | jetx | you do that every night? |
| 02:29.12 | jetx | just curious |
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| 02:29.53 | jetx | you can /msg dpkg seen dustin also btw |
| 02:30.04 | jpinx-eeepc | would a 500Hz CPU and only 256MBs of RAM make my conection look slow too? |
| 02:30.07 | enouf | You have searched for packages that names contain linux-image-2.6-686 in suite(s) lenny-backports, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results |
| 02:30.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | but he wants to show off hes 1337 knowledge of the seen command!!11 :-P |
| 02:30.26 | jetx | maybe your browser drawing but not the connection |
| 02:30.29 | pickcoder | jpinx-eeepc: that will not effect latency timing between hops |
| 02:30.46 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: to ping? no |
| 02:30.56 | jpinx-eeepc | pickcoder: ok - I didn't think so - but worth checking... |
| 02:31.13 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: if this p2 350 w/512 ram is faster than whatever hogzilla you're using, then no |
| 02:31.25 | jpinx-eeepc | jetx: yea - the browser is slow sometimes |
| 02:31.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, of course, very high IO would (but it would affect everything else, too) |
| 02:31.45 | jetx | i have noticed before, swbell's dns servers seemed to suck... i told the router to use my remote dns server and problem solved |
| 02:31.49 | jpinx-eeepc | !kudos enouf |
| 02:31.53 | pickcoder | enouf: I have some H/T Pentium4s in the scrap bin if you need an upgrade... :) |
| 02:32.11 | jetx | but the routing for normal traffic would not be cured by that |
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| 02:32.19 | jetx | pickcoder: i'll take 12 |
| 02:32.23 | enouf | pickcoder: i found one myself - has some crimms, got any rimms/? :-) |
| 02:32.30 | jpinx-eeepc | just has a shit connection - period |
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| 02:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, that means like cpip, only with flies? |
| 02:33.00 | R_YoYo_R | let me just say my experience with 5.0 has been outstanding |
| 02:33.04 | jetx | pickcoder: you know, of course, that companies buy those old computers |
| 02:33.22 | pickcoder | jetx: not when I'm done with them |
| 02:33.24 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: but ... if you're swapping due to BLOAT .. who knows |
| 02:33.27 | patrikf | lol |
| 02:33.29 | abrotman | R_YoYo_R: awesome .. what's next? |
| 02:33.30 | jpinx-eeepc | R_YoYo_R: 5.0.1 now ;) |
| 02:33.31 | enouf | i ensure i don't swap |
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| 02:34.05 | R_YoYo_R | abrotman: jpinx-eeepc 5.0.1? should the updates take care of that? |
| 02:34.18 | pickcoder | the last recycler that picked up called back and said.."next time.. can you give me something I can use???" |
| 02:34.30 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: swap is at 112728 |
| 02:34.45 | jetx | enouf: i told you about the $20 used rimms online eh.. and that was just a couple google hits looked at |
| 02:34.54 | abrotman | R_YoYo_R: yes ... |
| 02:34.56 | jetx | were some $10 ones too |
| 02:35.12 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: enough free to use swapoff? |
| 02:35.12 | jpinx-eeepc | R_YoYo_R: yes - do your update/ safe-upgrade |
| 02:35.25 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: no:( |
| 02:35.36 | jetx | dist-upgrade to experimental |
| 02:35.54 | pickcoder | enouf: what speed and size |
| 02:35.55 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: load up links2 in a console and swapoff and see |
| 02:36.16 | enouf | pickcoder: IIRC, 800MHz. and i guess 256 |
| 02:36.18 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf free 18608 |
| 02:36.20 | pickcoder | There's a small stack of RAMBUS dimms in one of cabinets |
| 02:36.33 | jetx | buddy! |
| 02:36.33 | enouf | oh nice |
| 02:36.36 | pickcoder | I'll look tomorrow |
| 02:36.42 | pickcoder | I think they're 512MB 800 |
| 02:36.43 | jpinx-eeepc | wonders how to plug in more RAM that the BIOS would see |
| 02:36.46 | enouf | pickcoder: no hurry |
| 02:36.57 | jetx | help a brother out! (i gave my brother the computer that needs the rimms :) ) |
| 02:37.16 | pickcoder | I have some dummy sticks too |
| 02:37.22 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: i 500MHz CPU should take 256MB dimms x 3 for 768 |
| 02:37.22 | jetx | he can buy some if he's ailing though |
| 02:37.25 | pickcoder | most of it came out of old Dell workstations |
| 02:37.29 | R_YoYo_R | lol ... i have rimms kicking around somewhere |
| 02:37.35 | R_YoYo_R | but they only total 128 |
| 02:37.40 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: it's a toshiba laptop |
| 02:37.46 | enouf | ... |
| 02:37.47 | jpinx-eeepc | T8000 tecra |
| 02:37.47 | jmoncayo | .quit |
| 02:37.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | see, we went further offtopic... as you wished |
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| 02:38.02 | jetx | i had a tecra |
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| 02:38.15 | jetx | it was a good notebook.. for what it was, it was quality |
| 02:38.18 | enouf | isn't that an Acura? |
| 02:38.22 | jetx | old now |
| 02:38.22 | enouf | Intecra? |
| 02:38.24 | enouf | :-P |
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| 02:38.29 | jpinx-eeepc | jetx: old but well-built |
| 02:38.38 | jpinx-eeepc | takes a lot of abuse ;) |
| 02:38.47 | R_YoYo_R | is there a guide on wifi setup for debian 5.0.1? i want to throw this on my laptop as well |
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| 02:38.51 | jetx | some dick stole my hd and memory .. i had it on the workbench |
| 02:38.59 | enouf | smashes jpinx-eeepc 's toshiba with a real ibm stinkpad from same era |
| 02:39.06 | pickcoder | R_YoYo_R: which chipset |
| 02:39.09 | jetx | i have a thinkpad too |
| 02:39.15 | jetx | more good quality |
| 02:39.20 | pickcoder | has a Compaq LTE5400 |
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| 02:39.23 | R_YoYo_R | pickcoder: atheros |
| 02:39.25 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: how to fool the bios to accepting more RAM? |
| 02:39.32 | enouf | heh |
| 02:39.34 | R_YoYo_R | pickcoder: i think |
| 02:39.39 | jetx | it's not the bios |
| 02:39.40 | jpinx-eeepc | has a 64MB stick somewhere |
| 02:39.56 | jpinx-eeepc | jetx: what is it then? |
| 02:40.03 | jetx | if it was there'd be a bios upgrade |
| 02:40.03 | pickcoder | R_YoYo_R: if the installer sees it then it should be fine |
| 02:40.20 | R_YoYo_R | pickcoder: sweet! |
| 02:40.26 | jpinx-eeepc | as far as I know I am on the last released bios for this box |
| 02:40.28 | jetx | uh.. i used to know the word... |
| 02:40.30 | pickcoder | otherwise you will have to do some work after the base install is done |
| 02:40.36 | pickcoder | or use a LAN card temporarily |
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| 02:40.41 | enouf | Chipset |
| 02:40.49 | jetx | hardware... but there's a word |
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| 02:41.07 | jpinx-eeepc | 's lost the thread |
| 02:41.19 | jetx | addressable memory |
| 02:41.21 | enouf | but even nowadays, your 64bit CPUs are really 40bit CPUs due to ram limitations |
| 02:41.41 | jetx | is that what ddr3 fixes? or what |
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| 02:41.43 | Doctor_Nick | ill address u >:| |
| 02:41.47 | patrikf | better than your 8G ram being 2G ram due to address space limitations ;) |
| 02:41.57 | jpinx-eeepc | so if I plug more RAM in - how do I force the system to see it? |
| 02:42.03 | pickcoder | jpinx-eeepc: your board configuration and BIOS determines how much RAM will be supported |
| 02:42.11 | Doctor_Nick | yeah |
| 02:42.13 | enouf | buy a real computer :-P |
| 02:42.13 | pickcoder | look up the specs |
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| 02:42.18 | jetx | jpinx-eeepc: have you tried just putting it in and seeing what happens? |
| 02:42.25 | jpinx-eeepc | pickcoder: yea - I thought it was the bios |
| 02:42.36 | jpinx-eeepc | jetx: of course ;) |
| 02:42.44 | jetx | ahahaha... get yourself an intel aboveboard card!!! |
| 02:42.44 | jpinx-eeepc | jetx: nothing:( |
| 02:43.01 | patrikf | jpinx-eeepc: some boards are picky on the order of memory modules |
| 02:43.08 | jpinx-eeepc | googles above board card |
| 02:43.13 | jetx | hey they should make such a thing one might think |
| 02:43.14 | enouf | and .. Density |
| 02:43.15 | patrikf | jpinx-eeepc: so you might want to try different slot/module combinations |
| 02:43.18 | jetx | still i mean |
| 02:43.23 | enouf | especially OLD pcs like that |
| 02:43.27 | jetx | that was on my 8088 |
| 02:43.39 | enouf | the DRAM chip density matters |
| 02:43.41 | jpinx-eeepc | patrikf: ok - I'll dick around with what's where - I didn't do that before |
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| 02:44.17 | enouf | i use Micron pc133 low-density ;-) |
| 02:44.17 | patrikf | and run memtest86 after installing ram (a suggestion out of painful experience) |
| 02:45.16 | jetx | got isa slots? |
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| 02:45.34 | enouf | one |
| 02:45.37 | enouf | useless |
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| 02:46.05 | pickcoder | not if you can find COM boards.. |
| 02:46.06 | jetx | i have an isa nic somewhere |
| 02:46.12 | pickcoder | you can setup a Stratum 0 time server |
| 02:46.31 | pickcoder | PCI has a tendency to lose ticks |
| 02:46.40 | enouf | threw a PCI NIC 32bit 10/100 into a p150 - screw ISA :-P |
| 02:46.52 | wolferz | Can ayone here help on a subversion download and the ./bootstrap command? |
| 02:47.08 | jetx | damn... 92% |
| 02:47.14 | jetx | is very bored |
| 02:47.22 | jpinx-eeepc | has a samsung 64MB stick and a kingston 32MB stick |
| 02:47.25 | patrikf | wolferz: there is no "the ./bootstrap command". please fill us in with the details of what exactly you are doing |
| 02:47.54 | jetx | you can surely put 2 256's in there though eh |
| 02:47.55 | jpinx-eeepc | patrikf: did you shutdown to plugin the additional RAM? |
| 02:48.03 | enouf | ... |
| 02:48.10 | patrikf | erm, yes I did? |
| 02:48.28 | jpinx-eeepc | jetx: I'm in a village in Peru - I have to work with what I've got here. No shops for miles |
| 02:48.29 | patrikf | people plug in ram while their computer is running? |
| 02:48.29 | jetx | lies! |
| 02:48.31 | wolferz | I downloaded the subversion from here: http://savonet.sourceforge.net/download.html and when I enter ./bootstrap after checking the packages I want installed, it tells me no directory? |
| 02:48.32 | jetx | sure |
| 02:48.40 | patrikf | that might explain why that didn't work before, jpinx-eeepc ;-) |
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| 02:48.48 | jetx | doesn't everybody? (everybody with hotswappable ram that is) |
| 02:48.52 | enouf | haha |
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| 02:48.54 | jpinx-eeepc | patrikf: I did switch off before |
| 02:49.09 | patrikf | jpinx-eeepc: I hoped so, just kidding ;-) |
| 02:49.18 | jetx | *still* 92% :/ |
| 02:49.19 | jpinx-eeepc | next reboot I'll stick the extra stick in |
| 02:49.32 | jetx | it's a lot of freespace |
| 02:50.00 | patrikf | hotswapping ram... |
| 02:50.10 | wolferz | some servers have hot swap memory slots, but few |
| 02:50.12 | jpinx-eeepc | eve 64MBs axtra RAM will be a help and if it works I'll find a way to get an bigger extra stick |
| 02:50.13 | jetx | servers only afaik |
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| 02:50.33 | patrikf | becomes interesting when replacing a module ;-) |
| 02:50.51 | jetx | that would save a lot of time |
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| 02:51.06 | patrikf | you mean, instead of shutting down the machine, it would just crash? |
| 02:51.17 | jpinx-eeepc | these laptops all had "docking modules" that had extra hardward in them - there's a big multi-pin socket on the back of this one for that |
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| 02:51.22 | enouf | sure... just unplug your VM and throw it into your shirt pocket :-P |
| 02:51.26 | jpinx-eeepc | did that not take extra RAM? |
| 02:51.28 | wolferz | My first experience with Linux left me wondering why in the hell it was using all 3gb of my ram to download a 3.5 gb iso, then I saw my 7.88gb swap start filling up only after I was down to 80mb of phys mem left |
| 02:51.46 | jetx | well i would think you could test it (tell the cluster to use only that memory there and not that).. iirc one can do that.. but i've only read about it |
| 02:52.02 | jpinx-eeepc | wolferz: linux is great at using physical ram first |
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| 02:52.12 | enouf | multi-pin? likely a drive bay hookup of some sort |
| 02:52.21 | enouf | or for a docking station |
| 02:52.25 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: yea |
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| 02:52.42 | jpinx-eeepc | for a docking atation |
| 02:52.48 | jpinx-eeepc | s/s/a/ |
| 02:52.50 | wolferz | I noticed, but I like the extra backup swap, I never have to shut processes down anymore |
| 02:52.50 | jetx | yeah you can even have a pci video card in your dock for my old thinkpad |
| 02:53.03 | patrikf | but ram? sounds unlikely |
| 02:53.04 | kiraa | can somebody explain to me how kernel 2.6 is newer than 2.4 but 2.6.8 is older than 2.4.30?? |
| 02:53.11 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 02:53.11 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 02:53.23 | jpinx-eeepc | extra video ram would be cool - I could watch a DVD:) |
| 02:53.24 | patrikf | kiraa: 2.4 development wasn't stopped immediately |
| 02:53.25 | wolferz | patrikf: did you see what I was attempting at the link I fed? |
| 02:53.37 | jetx | kiraa: they got devved at the same time, but 2.4 started first |
| 02:53.43 | jetx | what he said |
| 02:53.59 | enouf | patrikf: not sure you can assign "banks" but sure, google numa=fake coarse memory management |
| 02:54.04 | jetx | jpinx-eeepc: you can use mplayer in console |
| 02:54.09 | kiraa | what about 2.6.26 being newer than 2.6.8 |
| 02:54.19 | jetx | worked great on my tosh with the 256 |
| 02:54.19 | jpinx-eeepc | jetx: still stutters badly |
| 02:54.23 | patrikf | enouf: in a docking station?! |
| 02:54.23 | enouf | !myram |
| 02:54.24 | dpkg | i guess myram is install and run 'dmidecode -t memory' as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools pkg, if available to you (lenny/squeeze/sid), modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed info. For Etch users, try the lm-sensors pkg, and see /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/decode-dimms.pl and other docs. Try 'lshal | grep smbios' to obtain mainboard and BIOS info. |
| 02:54.41 | patrikf | wolferz: I don't know the software. but there's debian packages on the page... |
| 02:55.20 | jetx | numa machines, that was it (i think) |
| 02:55.40 | enouf | patrikf: oh .. i thought you were talking about RAM + hotpluggable-ness ... but no, not concerning a Docking station pinout ;-) |
| 02:55.42 | jpinx-eeepc | dmidecode just reads what the biod reads |
| 02:55.47 | wolferz | I'm using a custom build, ArtistX |
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| 02:55.50 | jpinx-eeepc | *bios |
| 02:56.05 | wolferz | I had to compile Rivendell from source too |
| 02:56.08 | patrikf | enouf: I was reassured earlier that hotpluggable ram exists for servers at least |
| 02:56.15 | enouf | jetx: Non-Uniform Memory Access |
| 02:56.16 | jetx | oh... it finaly finished |
| 02:56.23 | kiraa | can someone explain to me why kernel 2.6.26 is newer than 2.6.8? |
| 02:56.38 | jetx | damn livecd is loading i couldn't figure out wtf |
| 02:56.38 | wolferz | is there somewhere that can explain ./bootstrap and what to do to use it? |
| 02:56.41 | pickcoder | kiraa: it's a minor version increase? |
| 02:56.42 | anoHito | hello guys, i need help please. |
| 02:56.43 | enouf | 26 is higher? |
| 02:56.45 | pickcoder | 8 ... 26 |
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| 02:56.49 | jpinx-eeepc | kiraa: later number |
| 02:56.52 | jetx | wolferz: it's a program |
| 02:56.57 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.03 | jetx | helpful eh |
| 02:57.05 | kiraa | the difference is almost 3 years!!!! |
| 02:57.07 | patrikf | no. |
| 02:57.09 | jetx | in current dir |
| 02:57.18 | wolferz | Does it just make it easier to install packages all at once instead of one at a time? |
| 02:57.27 | jpinx-eeepc | wants USB pluggable RAM :p |
| 02:57.28 | jetx | less bootstrap |
| 02:57.34 | anoHito | in /home/mysql, i can not believe it there takes 146GB HDD size, in the folder tons of files look like mysql-bin.xxxxx plus other folders with names start from the users' registered account name, any idea ? |
| 02:57.37 | jetx | and follow the flow? |
| 02:57.49 | pickcoder | kiraa: ask #kernel |
| 02:58.19 | kiraa | pickcoder: ok |
| 02:58.36 | jpinx-eeepc | and a decent connection :( |
| 02:59.16 | jetx | anoHito: 'sounds' like a lot of user created databases to me but i don't know |
| 02:59.18 | dalias | jpinx-eeepc, usb mass storage device used as swap == usb ram :) |
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| 02:59.25 | wolferz | so, how do I apt-get bootstrap? |
| 02:59.36 | jetx | !search |
| 02:59.36 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 02:59.42 | jpinx-eeepc | dalias: slower than my hdd though |
| 02:59.45 | pickcoder | usb media would die rather quickly as swap |
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| 02:59.56 | dalias | pickcoder, huh? |
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| 03:00.03 | dalias | usb is not a media type |
| 03:00.05 | jetx | apt-file search probably, |grep relevant grep thingy |
| 03:00.10 | pickcoder | easyco is working on a MFT driver for usb media to help speed up the random writing |
| 03:00.14 | doleyb | pickcoder: it's notable that microsoft vista has a swap-to-usb feature... |
| 03:00.25 | pickcoder | doleyb: and that makes it viable how? |
| 03:00.33 | jetx | ms gave me vista but i have yet to install it |
| 03:00.35 | pickcoder | padded pockets for the usb stick vendors maybe |
| 03:00.42 | jpinx-eeepc | if MS are doing it - it must be good ;) |
| 03:00.59 | doleyb | pickcoder: the word "notable" is nonjudgemental |
| 03:01.00 | jpinx-eeepc | even I got W7 |
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| 03:01.03 | pickcoder | the MFT driver would also increase write life cycle |
| 03:01.05 | dalias | usb device could just as well be hdd |
| 03:01.20 | jetx | like a year or 2 ago |
| 03:01.30 | jpinx-eeepc | usb = connection. device = hardware |
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| 03:01.37 | enouf | doleyb: they also support u3 and DRM to name a few others |
| 03:01.44 | dalias | or, as i had in mind, some sort of battery-backed ram that presents itself as a mass-storage device |
| 03:01.44 | jetx | u3? |
| 03:01.51 | patrikf | it follows: usb device = connection hardware. ;o) |
| 03:02.02 | jpinx-eeepc | patrikf: :p |
| 03:02.04 | dalias | like cartridge-based game consoles used back in ancient times :) |
| 03:02.22 | pickcoder | dalias: that would be feasible but it's not a common USB stick that people would use with it |
| 03:02.35 | dalias | it would be 'usb ram' :) |
| 03:03.01 | jpinx-eeepc | which neatly takes you back to what I said at the beginning |
| 03:03.07 | jpinx-eeepc | wants USB pluggable RAM :p |
| 03:03.21 | Doctor_Nick | no |
| 03:03.21 | PaddyMac1 | USB pluggable RAM would be cool |
| 03:03.22 | Doctor_Nick | NO |
| 03:03.23 | patrikf | RAM over Ethernet is the future. |
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| 03:03.42 | jpinx-eeepc | too slow patrikf |
| 03:03.47 | PaddyMac1 | Kind of like part of cloud computing? |
| 03:03.53 | pickcoder | that's iSCSI with SSD |
| 03:03.57 | jpinx-eeepc | imagine me trying to use ram over this crappy connection |
| 03:04.10 | patrikf | glass fiber? |
| 03:04.15 | PaddyMac1 | Hmm.. RAM over dialup. |
| 03:04.21 | jpinx-eeepc | glass of whiskey maybe |
| 03:04.38 | jpinx-eeepc | !beer patrikf |
| 03:04.38 | dpkg | pulls out a tasty Guinness for patrikf |
| 03:04.54 | patrikf | yummy. |
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| 03:05.01 | jpinx-eeepc | isn;t sure if dpkg serves whiskey |
| 03:05.03 | PaddyMac1 | Ah! Guiness! Vitamin G. My favorite beer! |
| 03:05.27 | jpinx-eeepc | grief - the place is crawling with paddies |
| 03:05.35 | patrikf | indeed |
| 03:05.38 | PaddyMac1 | I guess so. |
| 03:05.42 | patrikf | and we're drinking guinness |
| 03:05.51 | jpinx-eeepc | well - how's aboutye |
| 03:05.51 | patrikf | any other irish stereotypes? |
| 03:05.55 | PaddyMac1 | Actually I'm drinking a Hurricane. |
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| 03:06.10 | jpinx-eeepc | can't get guinness here :( |
| 03:06.10 | PaddyMac1 | But I'd rather be drinking a Guiness. Or Jager. |
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| 03:06.14 | jpinx-eeepc | boo hoo:( |
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| 03:06.21 | patrikf | virtual guinness then. |
| 03:06.26 | unomi | have a potato and stfu |
| 03:06.32 | Taders | Ehm could someone please help me with the Rubygems issue :) |
| 03:06.51 | jpinx-eeepc | could still some potgeen though :D |
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| 03:08.04 | thirdwheel_ | hey all, got a shell script that needs root access but I use an unpriviledged user to execute via sudo... now while this works fine, even though the path is set and i've tried to set my own path, programs like 'cp' and 'basename' fail... any idea why it wouldn't? |
| 03:08.20 | thirdwheel_ | they just say "command not found" |
| 03:08.50 | thirdwheel_ | oh wait, nm |
| 03:08.52 | thirdwheel_ | i know why |
| 03:09.03 | jetx | gdm can be why in cases like that |
| 03:09.04 | thirdwheel_ | i override the PATH variable for my own purposes -.- |
| 03:09.35 | PaddyMac1 | What other color pot is there? Purple? |
| 03:10.39 | jetx | oh.. pot |
| 03:10.53 | module000 | thirdwheel_: try appending the PATH variable, not clobbering |
| 03:10.54 | jetx | i was thinking a color picker |
| 03:11.36 | thirdwheel_ | module000, no need, the system path seems to cover it well |
| 03:11.55 | thirdwheel_ | and it's all good now, my sites now copy to /dev/shm for access by the web server and the site runs heaps faster :D |
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| 03:15.52 | Mike111 | hello |
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| 03:16.46 | anoHito | i have many mysql-bin.00001 ...files, can i tell rm to detel them in a order ? |
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| 03:17.06 | anoHito | for example, delete from mysql-bin.00001 to mysql-bin.00005 ? |
| 03:17.19 | jetx | rm mysql-bin.* ? |
| 03:17.27 | jetx | oh nm |
| 03:17.49 | jetx | all the 0000? would be ez |
| 03:18.03 | patrikf | anoHito: with zsh you can do mysql-bin.{00001..00005} |
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| 03:18.17 | patrikf | with bash, in this case, mysql-bin.0000{1..5} would work too |
| 03:18.21 | anoHito | i use bash |
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| 03:20.48 | squisher | hi everyone, with xorg 7.4 in sid my setxkbmap script seems to be broken... |
| 03:20.56 | squisher | does anyone know if this has be deprecated? |
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| 03:21.03 | anoHito | patrikf, Thank you ,it worked. like a charm :) |
| 03:21.28 | thirdwheel_ | what a knob |
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| 03:23.45 | Gun_Smoke | ? lol |
| 03:24.03 | PaddyMac1 | Is it possible to get DVD sets of the unstable branch? |
| 03:24.20 | Gun_Smoke | no |
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| 03:24.45 | Gun_Smoke | PaddyMac1, ^ |
| 03:25.08 | PaddyMac1 | So testing is the most up-todate DVD set availablke, but unstable package repositories can be enabled? |
| 03:25.19 | jpinx-eeepc | would my crappy ISP be caching and screwing up my testing webforwarding? |
| 03:26.01 | dalias | dvd set is crap |
| 03:26.08 | dalias | it'll be outdated before you finish burning it |
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| 03:26.26 | jpinx-eeepc | gives up and goes for tea |
| 03:26.28 | PaddyMac1 | Dallas: It's convenient for people like me on dialup. |
| 03:26.33 | dalias | just use a minimal install image to bootstrap a new system, then network install |
| 03:26.43 | Gun_Smoke | Yeah in a sense.. what are you after? |
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| 03:27.00 | Gun_Smoke | trying to accomplish.. |
| 03:27.05 | Gun_Smoke | PaddyMac1, if your target does not have net access stick with stable.. |
| 03:27.11 | PaddyMac1 | I'm just curious, actually. |
| 03:27.15 | dalias | mmm, for dialup and stuff you could still use a network install off your own local server |
| 03:27.25 | dalias | and yeah gun_smoke has a good point |
| 03:27.57 | Gun_Smoke | PaddyMac1, ahhh.. dialup, well yeah the move up from testing to Sid will take you a good stick.. |
| 03:28.29 | PaddyMac1 | I can take my laptop to a hotspot and downloads the ISOs and then burn them for my desktop. |
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| 03:28.55 | PaddyMac1 | But probably the 1st 1-3 DVDs would be way more than enough software. |
| 03:28.57 | Gun_Smoke | PaddyMac1, but..... if you stay on top of the sometimes hourly updates it shouldn't be bad to maintain. |
| 03:29.36 | Gun_Smoke | PaddyMac1, if you have hotspots hook up your Sid install via debootstrap |
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| 03:30.22 | Gun_Smoke | with debootstrap you can skip everything and have a sid install right out the gate |
| 03:30.47 | PaddyMac1 | OK. |
| 03:31.23 | hexoroid | anybody got a good iptables firewall ;-) |
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| 03:33.46 | Gun_Smoke | you could do it by burning your swap partition from a running debian... but probably not the best approach.. have a look at the docs and examples decide what you have time for and have at it.. if you follow the mailing lists, debian.user has a great thread about a pretty cool debootstrap success.. |
| 03:33.55 | Gun_Smoke | shorewall |
| 03:33.56 | Gun_Smoke | hexoroid, ^ |
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| 03:57.22 | anoHito | GOOd night. |
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| 04:15.05 | amitz | how to find out whether a UID/GID number exist or not? at least how to list all UID/GID used? |
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| 04:16.03 | dalias | look in /etc/passwd and /etc/group |
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| 04:17.24 | amitz | dalias: oh, thanks |
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| 04:31.51 | jetx | from console, how do i see if there's an HPA on the hd |
| 04:32.28 | jetx | from console, how do i see if there's an HPA *set* on the hd |
| 04:32.45 | jetx | if there was one, it's gone now (dd) |
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| 04:33.20 | adb | HPA ? |
| 04:33.52 | jetx | hidden protected area or host protected area |
| 04:34.11 | jetx | what they like to keep the restore partition in nowadays |
| 04:34.49 | adb | fdisk -l ? |
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| 04:35.48 | jetx | i dd'd the drive, but it gets set in the mbr or so |
| 04:36.20 | jetx | no |
| 04:36.23 | jetx | even lower |
| 04:36.24 | adb | dd a partittion i hope |
| 04:36.31 | jetx | the hd has to support it |
| 04:36.49 | jetx | it's like smart values/settings |
| 04:37.14 | jetx | !hpa |
| 04:37.14 | dpkg | HPA. Host Protected Area. Sometimes referred to as hidden protected area, this is an area of a hard drive that is not normally visible to an operating system).Defined as a reserved area for data storage outside the normal operating file system. This area is hidden from the operating system and the file system, and is normally used for specialized applications. Systems may wish to store configuration data or to save memory to |
| 04:37.51 | jetx | linux just ignores it |
| 04:37.59 | adb | i dunno , better |
| 04:38.17 | jetx | but you get a msg in the boot sequence |
| 04:39.15 | adb | change the partition table and lost it , maybe |
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| 04:40.42 | jetx | it's not in the partition table, windows partitioners just won't see the space though |
| 04:40.59 | jetx | it's like the end of the hd is clipped off for them |
| 04:41.23 | adb | it is in MBR ?, ah at end .. |
| 04:41.36 | jetx | it's beyond the mbr |
| 04:41.45 | jetx | the setting |
| 04:41.53 | jetx | more low level |
| 04:42.00 | jetx | forgets, but wikipedia didn't |
| 04:42.05 | jetx | read about it there |
| 04:42.32 | jetx | you can set it with hdparm.. doh of course hdparm can tell me i suppose |
| 04:42.36 | jetx | thanks dude! |
| 04:42.47 | jetx | you made me remember |
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| 04:48.58 | pstickne | is there a way to navigate and install an /old/ package? |
| 04:49.10 | pstickne | nicely, in, uhm, a CLI or something |
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| 04:50.22 | jetx | hdparm -N it seems |
| 04:50.48 | jetx | not you, pstickne |
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| 04:51.11 | askvictor | when I create a new init.d script, what's the command to automagically create the symlinks in rcX.d ? |
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| 04:52.13 | askvictor | found it; update-rc.d |
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| 04:52.37 | Xenguy | rcconf? |
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| 04:56.48 | lvh_ | goes back to bed |
| 04:56.57 | lvh_ | what the hell am i doing up at 6:30 in the morning anyway |
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| 05:09.15 | jpinx-eeepc | when an ISP caches does it refresh after a period of time, or after a number of requests? |
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| 05:11.12 | jmoncayo | omg, firefox flashplayer plugin sucks with amd64 |
| 05:11.19 | jmoncayo | or is for any linux? |
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| 05:15.54 | doleyb | jmoncayo: It has been widely reported to suck, on amd64 and other linux. I can confirm it is pretty suckly. |
| 05:16.35 | sparr | is there a way to get my mouse to ignore double clicks (on any button) shorter than a certain duration? i need a low level solution that will affect games as well as the GUI |
| 05:17.11 | doleyb | jmoncayo: You might like this page, documenting the flash+linux suckiness: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1032645 |
| 05:17.31 | acu1 | whats up with this flash viewer which warms the computers like hell - is any solution ? |
| 05:18.00 | doleyb | acu1: What kind of computer? laptop? |
| 05:18.07 | acu1 | yes |
| 05:18.37 | doleyb | acu1: Can you tell more? Like is it for example a Lenovo P310 Ath64 1800, or whatever? |
| 05:18.39 | acu1 | but the desktop is the same - npviewer or something like this - I just killed it - but I think this is a serios bug - |
| 05:19.15 | acu1 | I have AMD 64 Turion and one Athlon they are the same - npviewer uses more than 50% of the CPU |
| 05:19.16 | jmoncayo | doleyb: so no solution yet? |
| 05:19.28 | doleyb | acu1: Well, I think your laptop is probably cpufreq speed-stepped, and the flash viewer causes 100% cpu usage, which makes it go up to faster speed, making things hotter. |
| 05:19.59 | doleyb | jmoncayo: There are various partial workarounds... for example there are things you can use in place of flashviewer for a limited number of sites (like youtube) |
| 05:20.05 | acu1 | but about the desktop ? |
| 05:20.34 | doleyb | jmoncayo: Also some people use the beta of next releases of flash player, which might be a little better. |
| 05:20.38 | acu1 | what can I use |
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| 05:21.21 | doleyb | acu1: Well I'm afraid it's close-source program, and a poorly-engineered one, so there is no easy fix... you can mess around with different versions, maybe some are better. Maybe some replacements can work a little. |
| 05:21.44 | doleyb | Recently flashplugin has become one of the largest obstacles to Linux-On-Desktop... |
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| 05:22.47 | acu1 | OK, some other question - I want to setup a mail server - I have a quad AMD but I want to use the same server as web server too- what mail server is easiest to use - I want an IMAP and some webmail too |
| 05:22.49 | doleyb | jmoncayo: Maybe you'd like to try going to adobe.com and downloading the beta of flashplugin 64 (if you are currently running the 32 bit one). That will come as a .so file, which you drop in ~/.mozilla/plugins |
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| 05:30.12 | pstickne | does anyone know of a etch+ ffmpeg package that doesn't puke on container rate mismatches? :( |
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| 05:31.34 | jmoncayo | doleyb: thanks a lot |
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| 05:31.36 | pstickne | they the late-2008 build is borked :( |
| 05:31.49 | pstickne | and thanks to wonderful package management ... *sigh* |
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| 05:40.16 | jmoncayo | doleyb: where is the actual plugin installed in debian? i cant find the flashplayer.so |
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| 05:40.55 | doleyb | jmoncayo: Well debian places it in /usr/lib somewhere, but a user's ~/.mozilla/plugins is searched first. |
| 05:41.16 | texel | Is it possible to install a 32-bit user-mode-linux deb onto an amd64 system? |
| 05:41.48 | texel | I'm looking at setting up a 32-bit UML instance so I can build a toolchain in OpenEmbedded, and sadly, a 64-bit userland isn't cutting it for OE. |
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| 05:47.31 | MrJoey | In Debian Lenny under kernel 2.6.26-2-686, will a kernel panic immediately shut down the machine, or will it show blinking numlock/capslock/scroll lock ? |
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| 05:51.03 | kingsley | MrJoey: I don't know, but my guess is the later (blinking LEDs). |
| 05:52.32 | jmoncayo | whats this mean when using aptitude? Current status: 0 updates [-5]. |
| 05:52.32 | MrJoey | I had my system shut off suddenly (possibly after a segfault, I'm not sure). I don't think it was because of the CPU overheating because the fans do come on as necessary. |
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| 05:54.18 | jmoncayo | doleyb: flashplayer 10 is wayyyy much better than 9 |
| 05:54.20 | jmoncayo | :) |
| 05:54.34 | kingsley | MrJoey: You may want to check the /var/log/messages file and output from the "dmesg" command for clues as to why it shut off. |
| 05:54.38 | doleyb | jmoncayo: well good for you, but I still find it pretty disappointing... |
| 05:55.02 | jmoncayo | doleyb: it is just like the windows plugin |
| 05:55.15 | kingsley | jmoncayo: That looks like yet another Google research project. |
| 05:55.45 | jmoncayo | yep |
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| 05:58.28 | FFForever | what sources do i need to add to my list? |
| 05:58.40 | MrJoey | kingsley> /var/log/messages has four segfault messages from a program I was testing prior to the shutdown, but based on a message I posted in IRC, those segfaults happened at least 4 minutes before the shutdown. |
| 05:58.40 | FFForever | right now i only have one... deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 05:59.46 | FFForever | i need to install php5-cgi, lighttpd, what repo are they in? |
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| 05:59.52 | MrJoey | now I did have two oom events a while before the shutdown |
| 05:59.53 | jmoncayo | FFForever: contrib, non-free |
| 06:00.10 | FFForever | how do i add them?, just make new lines with the same url? |
| 06:00.18 | FFForever | just change main to contrib and non-free |
| 06:00.34 | jmoncayo | deb http://..../debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 06:00.42 | jmoncayo | apt-get update |
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| 06:01.02 | kingsley | MrJoey: Perhaps the program's seg faults are completely unrelated to the shutdown, perhaps the same bug that caused them also caused the shutdown, or perhaps they set in motion a chain of events that eventually caused the shutdown. |
| 06:01.10 | FFForever | kool |
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| 06:02.04 | kingsley | FFForever: Have you tried "aptitude install php5-cgi lighttpd" yet? |
| 06:02.09 | FFForever | jmoncayo, where do i get the source uri's? |
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| 06:02.14 | MrJoey | kingsley> Nah, the segfaults were clearly caused by program bugs |
| 06:02.40 | FFForever | kingsley, i need to build php5-cgi manually with a homebrew plugin :D |
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| 06:02.50 | MrJoey | but that doesn't explain why they stole 1G of RAM per second when they were supposed to just segfault |
| 06:02.56 | FFForever | so i need the source uri's also =\ |
| 06:02.59 | MrJoey | (when not using gdb) |
| 06:03.19 | MrJoey | err, maybe 500MB/s |
| 06:03.42 | MrJoey | I'll just see if I get more shutdowns |
| 06:03.57 | jelly-home | FFForever: the source lines are just like the deb lines, only deb is replaced by deb-src |
| 06:04.07 | FFForever | same url? |
| 06:04.14 | MrJoey | Now when I was using Ubuntu Jaunty, I put my system through plenty of stress, so I don't think my hardware is bad |
| 06:04.39 | jelly-home | FFForever: assuming it points to a debian mirror, yes |
| 06:04.39 | MrJoey | I even ran my hard drive for 15 consecutive hours to test it (it passed the test) |
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| 06:04.52 | FFForever | cool sweet :D |
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| 06:05.21 | jelly-home | FFForever: (and both of those are in main, no need to add contrib or non-free) |
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| 06:07.03 | elenril | is there a way to use python-qt4 in python 2.6? |
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| 06:07.38 | FFForever | how can i run a speed test on my server? |
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| 06:10.14 | doleyb | FFForever: grep bogo /proc/cpuinfo |
| 06:10.40 | FFForever | net speed test |
| 06:10.56 | Ziban|afk | http://change.menelgame.pl/change_please/2688554/ |
| 06:11.06 | jmoncayo | www.speedtest.net ? |
| 06:11.07 | jmoncayo | :D |
| 06:11.22 | at0m|c | jmoncayo: isn't that for _clients_ ? |
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| 06:12.02 | at0m|c | FFForever: want to test upload speed? |
| 06:12.21 | FFForever | well upload/download but from ssh |
| 06:13.11 | enouf | judd: info netperf |
| 06:13.12 | judd | enouf: netperf (non-free/net): is optional; Version: 2.4.4-5; Size: 368.6k; Installed: 756k -- Network performance benchmark |
| 06:14.01 | melik | all right guys i got a botnet of 700 comps atking my server, i ran out of ideas to protect it.. can anyone suggest me ideas |
| 06:14.10 | mischief6 | unplug it |
| 06:14.19 | mischief6 | melik, use iptables? |
| 06:14.31 | melik | i am mischief6, im dropping port 80 which is getting flooded |
| 06:15.18 | melik | i just need more ideas ;/ |
| 06:15.28 | mischief6 | melik, denyhosts? |
| 06:15.37 | mischief6 | i think denyhosts would work with apache |
| 06:15.59 | melik | wouldi have to manually enter the IP's |
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| 06:16.19 | mischief6 | no... |
| 06:16.27 | mischief6 | that's the point of denyhosts melik |
| 06:16.43 | melik | hm hang on mischief6, let me go research that |
| 06:16.47 | Fanisk | Hello, how to define flash disk in the console as the device? |
| 06:17.16 | mischief6 | the device? @_@ not the device! |
| 06:17.45 | melik | i hope it works with apache |
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| 06:18.35 | enouf | or try fail2ban |
| 06:18.45 | enouf | judd: info fail2ban |
| 06:18.46 | judd | enouf: fail2ban (net): is optional; Version: 0.8.3-2sid1; Size: 84.2k; Installed: 616k -- bans IPs that cause multiple authentication errors |
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| 06:19.54 | enouf | Fanisk: explain more please |
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| 06:25.43 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:26.08 | mshadle | is there a disk limit in the installer? it seems like it is limited to only allowing me to manage 8 disks at install time |
| 06:26.16 | marcelo | I am thinking to move switch from mint linux to elive. do you guys think thats a good move? |
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| 06:32.14 | marcelo | eLive must not be good... no one said nothing |
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| 06:33.40 | at0m|c | marcelo: not in #debian... |
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| 06:35.25 | streuner__ | !start a distro war |
| 06:35.25 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
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| 06:42.43 | ajavid | grep DPI /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:42.46 | ajavid | (**) RADEON(0): DPI set to (90, 140) |
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| 06:42.53 | ajavid | I do startx -- -dpi 100 and still nothing |
| 06:43.01 | ajavid | xdpyinfo | grep -B1 dot dimensions: 1680x1050 pixels (480x270 millimeters) resolution: 89x99 dots per inch |
| 06:43.11 | dhs_ | how to install usb-creator in Lenny? |
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| 06:43.18 | ajavid | WTF!! Why can't I force a dpi setting, as X is not picking up my correct dpi info |
| 06:43.25 | ajavid | it seems, my fonts are horrible looking |
| 06:43.53 | enouf | ajavid: see if ps aux shows a dpi |
| 06:44.34 | enouf | IIRC see /etc/X11/Xsession*/xinitrc or somesuch |
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| 06:45.28 | ajavid | what? |
| 06:45.31 | enouf | er /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 06:45.44 | ajavid | root 17629 12.3 1.7 220212 146768 tty7 Ss+ 01:44 0:04 /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp -dpi 100 :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-X4GwGF |
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| 06:50.42 | enouf | ajavid: 89x99 doesn't sound so nice, whatever that's worth |
| 06:51.18 | ajavid | i know |
| 06:51.23 | ajavid | if I don't specify a dpi switch i get the 02:41 < ajavid> (**) RADEON(0): DPI set to (90, 140) |
| 06:51.27 | ajavid | if I do, I get 100x100 |
| 06:51.34 | ajavid | (++) RADEON(0): DPI set to (100, 100) |
| 06:51.42 | ajavid | fonts still look horrible |
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| 06:52.45 | enouf | but not in xdpyinfo output .. hrm .. is that your Primary display? and it's a desktop? |
| 06:52.59 | mshadle | is there a disk limit in the installer? it seems like it is limited to only allowing me to manage 8 disks at install time? |
| 06:53.06 | enouf | are you using a DVI connection/cable? |
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| 06:53.36 | ajavid | vga |
| 06:53.40 | ajavid | dsub |
| 06:53.43 | ajavid | 22" lcd |
| 06:53.48 | ajavid | desktop machine, and enter key happy |
| 06:53.53 | enouf | mshadle: no idea, i doubt it - but how many do you need it to see? maybe some disks are on unsupported controllers? |
| 06:54.11 | mshadle | nah, i yanked drives and went back in and it saw 2 more disks |
| 06:54.15 | mshadle | i have 10 disks total |
| 06:54.18 | enouf | ajavid: well .. you haven't always had this issue? |
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| 06:54.24 | ajavid | nope |
| 06:54.30 | ajavid | just lately |
| 06:54.36 | enouf | mshadle: what does that tell us? |
| 06:54.38 | ajavid | either im going blind or my fonts are not aliased at all |
| 06:54.46 | mshadle | seems like it only will show 8? |
| 06:54.46 | ajavid | im troubleshooting why my fons are not anti aliased |
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| 06:54.54 | ajavid | kde 4.2.2 |
| 06:55.00 | ajavid | i think they are anti aliased |
| 06:55.03 | ajavid | but i don't think they are |
| 06:55.08 | mshadle | seems weird to have that limit, and i cant find anything on google about it |
| 06:55.09 | ajavid | but that really not the biggest concern |
| 06:55.21 | mosno_ | ajavid: split personality? |
| 06:55.27 | ajavid | when i look at /etc/sun-java6-jre/fonts.properties file |
| 06:55.34 | enouf | ajavid: possible monitor LCD frequency or phase settings? |
| 06:55.39 | ajavid | I see that it is using non truetype fonts |
| 06:55.46 | ajavid | so none of those fonts are aliasable |
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| 06:56.03 | ajavid | anyone know how to fuck with the fonts.properties of a JRE to make it use ttf fonts only |
| 06:56.10 | ajavid | so you can AA them |
| 06:56.10 | enouf | ajavid: OSD/OSM (on screen display / menu) in the Monitor's controls itself |
| 06:56.13 | vaq | Where do I see the start cylinder for a disk in fdisk? |
| 06:56.17 | ajavid | enouf, its fine |
| 06:56.21 | vaq | sorry partition |
| 06:56.23 | ajavid | enouf, everything is fine I think |
| 06:56.29 | ajavid | enouf, maybe i got bad eyes |
| 06:56.38 | enouf | vaq: fdisk -lu |
| 06:56.42 | ajavid | enouf, i dunno, man |
| 06:56.54 | vaq | enouf: Thanks! |
| 06:56.54 | ajavid | i can post a screenshot |
| 06:56.57 | enouf | ajavid: just settle down .... |
| 06:56.59 | ajavid | you tell me if my fonts are anti alised or not |
| 06:57.00 | enouf | ok |
| 06:57.17 | enouf | i can't tell shit man ... :-P |
| 06:57.58 | optraz | hi, i have a program keep on writing and it eventually take up all the hdd partition |
| 06:58.05 | optraz | how do i know where ist he files wirtten ? |
| 06:58.08 | enouf | vaq: fwiw, i like parted, it'll show partitions start / end in Bytes |
| 06:58.14 | vaq | enouf: Why doesnt fdisk ask for start and end cylinder when i hit "a" |
| 06:58.28 | vaq | enouf: On creating a new partition |
| 06:58.35 | enouf | i forget now, i use parted |
| 06:59.13 | dhs_ | what can be file system type for an iso image? |
| 06:59.31 | enouf | iso9660,udf |
| 06:59.38 | ajavid | enouf, http://picpaste.com/fonts.png |
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| 06:59.57 | ajavid | does it look like i have anti alised fonts or not? |
| 07:00.06 | enouf | optraz: sounds like malware ... |
| 07:01.06 | dhs_ | i cant able to mount .iso in Lenny, its saying specify the file system type |
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| 07:01.23 | dhs_ | whats the command to be used? |
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| 07:01.35 | OpenTokix | dhs_: mount -o loop isofile.iso /mount/point |
| 07:01.50 | ajavid | dhs_, mount -t iso9660 -o loop /dev/hdx /mount/point |
| 07:02.01 | ajavid | sorry iso.file |
| 07:02.06 | ajavid | fucking balls |
| 07:02.14 | vaq | enouf: "No Implementation: Support for opening xfs file systems is not implemented yet." |
| 07:02.20 | vaq | in parted |
| 07:02.29 | enouf | wonderful |
| 07:02.34 | dhs_ | for that its saying wrong fs type |
| 07:02.56 | ajavid | enouf, well |
| 07:02.59 | ajavid | http://picpaste.com/fonts.png |
| 07:03.02 | ajavid | does it look like i have anti alised fonts or not? |
| 07:04.02 | enouf | dhs_: run an md5sum on the ISO, and isoinfo -d -i isofilename.iso |
| 07:04.22 | enouf | dhs_: "file filename.iso" |
| 07:04.25 | dhs_ | and in syslog its "Unable to identify CD-ROM format" |
| 07:04.37 | enouf | it might be a cue/bin or some other |
| 07:04.57 | enouf | like weird apple formats or .. |
| 07:05.00 | dhs_ | CD-ROM is NOT in ISO 9660 format |
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| 07:05.04 | ajavid | !cdemu |
| 07:05.04 | dpkg | CDemu is a kernel module for Linux. It is designed to simulate a CD drive + CD with just simple cue/bin files. You can use it to watch an SVCD or mount the data track of an bin/cue. You should use mplayer to watch SVCD movies stored as cue/bin file, it also supports it. http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:05.06 | enouf | heh |
| 07:05.18 | enouf | !bin2iso |
| 07:05.18 | dpkg | bin2iso is, like, not in debian anymore, but the GPL source can be found at http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/bin2iso/ |
| 07:05.28 | enouf | oh my |
| 07:05.48 | dhs_ | but i can able to boot the iso know? |
| 07:05.53 | enouf | ajavid: i can't tell from that png .. looks atleast ok here |
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| 07:06.53 | doleyb | I wonder why a GPL program would ever be removed from debian |
| 07:07.12 | enouf | doesn't meet DFSG or some policy |
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| 07:07.33 | enouf | !gcc-doc |
| 07:07.34 | dpkg | The man pages for gcc are in the package gcc-doc which is in non-free. It's in non-free because it is released under the GFDL with invariant sections so the package does not meet the DFSG. Ask me about <non-free> <gfdl> and <dfsg>. If you are looking for man pages for printf, strchr etc then get manpages-dev. |
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| 07:42.43 | caraconan | Hi. My alsa seems broken. I have squeeze, but I don't find the 'alsaconf' command. Any help? |
| 07:43.32 | Sebboh | Quick question. I need to install PHP4 for some dev work. I was going to use a virtual machine.. But, can I just use some kinda chroot thing instead? Or.. what is vserver? Will that or something like it help me? |
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| 07:45.50 | micket | caraconan: it's in alsa-utils, in stable. You should still have the stable sources in sources.list. |
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| 07:46.21 | caraconan | micket but is not present in the testing repositories? |
| 07:46.57 | caraconan | I can have two lines in /etc/apt/sources.list: stable and testing, and then 'aptitude install alsa-utils'? |
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| 07:47.36 | micket | If you want testing as your main source, set it to se in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 07:47.41 | micket | Aptitude::Default-Release "unstable"; |
| 07:47.46 | micket | is what i got |
| 07:48.46 | caraconan | micket I don't understand why the package alsa-utils does'nt provide 'alsaconf' command in squeeze |
| 07:48.55 | caraconan | ...if I understood it well |
| 07:49.03 | micket | There is no alsa-utils in squeeze at all |
| 07:49.52 | Arrowmaster | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=alsa-utils |
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| 07:49.56 | caraconan | And forgive me of my ignorance, but how can I configure my broken sound card now? |
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| 07:50.40 | mkko | what is testing repository address? |
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| 07:50.49 | caraconan | I have 1.0.19-2 version of alsa-utils installed |
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| 07:51.11 | caraconan | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 07:51.14 | caraconan | For example |
| 07:51.44 | Arrowmaster | caraconan: what arch are you on? the file list for alsa-utils doesnt even list alsaconf for i386 |
| 07:51.49 | Arrowmaster | for stable |
| 07:51.54 | micket | caraconan: unfortunally, i have no idea. |
| 07:52.04 | Arrowmaster | oh wait im an idiot and missed it |
| 07:52.21 | caraconan | <Arrowmaster> i386 |
| 07:52.33 | caraconan | <micket> no problem, thanks a lot |
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| 07:53.07 | mkko | and http://security.debian.org/debian/ testing/updates main ? |
| 07:53.47 | caraconan | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 07:53.54 | caraconan | I've got this line |
| 07:54.04 | Arrowmaster | caraconan: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/alsa-utils_1.0.19-2/changelog |
| 07:54.18 | Arrowmaster | see 1.0.17-1 |
| 07:54.32 | caraconan | <mkko> and if you want to install all the available packets, add 'contrib non-free' at the end of this lines |
| 07:54.42 | caraconan | <Arrowmaster> I will. Thanks a lot |
| 07:55.47 | mkko | what about testing-proposed-updates? |
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| 07:56.32 | mkko | are they at http://ftp.debian.org/ or http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 07:56.54 | caraconan | I have no idea |
| 07:57.46 | mkko | the thing is, I was using http://ftp.debian.org/ testing main ... and now that is 404 |
| 07:58.38 | Arrowmaster | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib |
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| 07:58.41 | Arrowmaster | is what i have |
| 07:58.47 | sep | mkko, you should use a local mirror eg ftp.$COUNTRYCODE.debian.org |
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| 08:01.03 | micket | If i were to buy a cool debian t-shirt or something, where is the best place to look? Is there any official store for debian themed apparel? |
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| 08:02.56 | ajavid | !alsaconf |
| 08:02.56 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. |
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| 08:04.40 | Arrowmaster | hey i think i still have a computer with an ISA sound card |
| 08:05.38 | julien | hi all I need a little help i have this string 'xxxxxxxx' and with the command cut i would like to get the string between ' ' could please advise me |
| 08:07.36 | DustyDingo | julien: use \' as the delimeter and select the right field |
| 08:07.49 | julien | i try thx |
| 08:08.03 | Supaplex | !try |
| 08:08.03 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
| 08:08.18 | DustyDingo | cut -d\' -f1 or something like that |
| 08:08.27 | DustyDingo | don't know if -d' or -d\' |
| 08:09.01 | julien | it doesn't work |
| 08:09.03 | DustyDingo | echo \'xxxx\'|cut -d\' -f2 |
| 08:09.11 | DustyDingo | xxxx |
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| 08:09.22 | julien | ok but the numpber of can change ??? |
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| 08:09.37 | julien | ok super |
| 08:09.44 | julien | thx DustyDingo |
| 08:09.48 | DustyDingo | np |
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| 08:15.50 | kaduk | initramfs-tools broken in debian ? |
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| 08:16.14 | kaduk | cpio: ./etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp8.rules: Cannot stat: No such file or directory |
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| 08:16.22 | kaduk | probably typo.. |
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| 08:16.39 | yangxx | Is there a quick tool that enables scaling of the pictures ? |
| 08:16.46 | yangxx | from a command line |
| 08:16.47 | wsxws | tar vc path | gpg -e -r mykeyname -o file.tar.gpg <- this archives a path to file.tar.gz and crypts it usind a public key (without asking for a password at this moment). how to change that line so that it just crypts a file without archiving it ? |
| 08:16.53 | kaduk | yangxx, imagemagic ? |
| 08:17.10 | yangxx | kaduk: do you know the procedure to scale the image, what do you write? |
| 08:17.35 | FFForever | how do i find unneeded packages and remove them? |
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| 08:17.52 | kaduk | yangxx, google says http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/resize/ |
| 08:17.59 | micket | yangxx: man convert |
| 08:18.42 | nkuttler | yangxx: mogrify -resize |
| 08:18.53 | yangxx | ok thanks |
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| 08:19.09 | nkuttler | FFForever: apt-get autoremove |
| 08:19.53 | iwkse | FFForever: keep caring of autoremove, sometimes is a bit `weird` |
| 08:20.04 | wsxws | on a textfile i can do cat doof | gpg -e -r wsxws -o doof.gpg but on nontextfiles, this does not work. i cant figure out the right syntax for this. could someone please help me ? |
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| 08:23.06 | qiyong | anyone use advogato? i can't delete my blog. |
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| 08:27.08 | enouf | wsxws: maybe 'gpg -e -r mykeyname < myfile' ? |
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| 08:29.16 | wsxws | i just figured it out |
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| 08:30.15 | wsxws | its: gpg -e -r keyname -o outputfile.gpg inputfile |
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| 08:31.01 | wsxws | after encrypting files using a keyfile its not possible to encrypt the file on another machine without that file |
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| 08:31.35 | wsxws | its generated by gpg --gen-key, but where to find that key afterwards ? |
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| 08:31.55 | wsxws | and wouzld it be possible to take that key to another machine and decrypt file there using that keyfile ? |
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| 08:32.29 | doleyb | wsxws: look for key in ~/.ssh, and yes you can take it to machines |
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| 08:35.09 | wsxws | i have got no such direktory |
| 08:35.14 | wsxws | directoy |
| 08:35.20 | wsxws | +r |
| 08:35.36 | wsxws | no such path :P |
| 08:36.03 | sep | wsxws, i think he ment ~/.gnupg |
| 08:36.46 | enouf | try maybe .gnupg .. also try gpg --list-keys |
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| 08:43.44 | wsxws | slowly im geting behind this command |
| 08:43.52 | wsxws | lots of options |
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| 08:46.38 | wsxws | there is just a strange order in the domandlineptions |
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| 08:48.36 | khaije1 | i'm using lostirc but i'd really like to use a console based irc client, any favorites? |
| 08:49.13 | khaije1 | preferably something with audible or visual alerts on name drops |
| 08:49.50 | micket | weechat or irssi should both be able to pull that off |
| 08:50.12 | khaije1 | k i'll check em out thx |
| 08:50.20 | Guerin | !best irc clienbt |
| 08:50.22 | Guerin | !best irc client |
| 08:50.22 | dpkg | irssi is probably the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:50.39 | khaije1 | lol heh pretty definitive :) |
| 08:51.37 | ryan-c | why might i be unable to set the time on my system? |
| 08:51.47 | ryan-c | date -s is not working |
| 08:51.53 | ryan-c | no error message |
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| 09:00.28 | wsxws | u can set your timezone by dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and adjust your time by ntpdate and set yourt hardwareclock by hwclock --systohc |
| 09:00.49 | ryan-c | no, i can't |
| 09:01.04 | ryan-c | ntpdate doesn't work either |
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| 09:04.31 | enouf | !set the time |
| 09:04.32 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS before. |
| 09:04.44 | enouf | !ntpdate |
| 09:04.45 | dpkg | i heard ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp. |
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| 09:06.40 | KordeX | hello, is there a way to disable console handover for sparc? i would like to use the main monitor as my fb |
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| 09:07.41 | wsxws | enouf os there a limit of key im allowed to generate by gpg --gen-key ? i already generated 2 of them, but when i try to generate a third one, it always tells me, that there are some random bytes were missing |
| 09:08.17 | enouf | wsxws: seems like you ran out of entropy |
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| 09:09.19 | enouf | wsxws: cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail |
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| 09:13.03 | enouf | i think one can just edit /proc/sys/kernel/random/poolsize to desired want/need? i forget now, .. that's all /dev/random stuffs, IINM |
| 09:13.47 | wsxws | do you know where i could ask ? |
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| 09:15.48 | enouf | wsxws: #gpg ? #gnupg? |
| 09:16.32 | enouf | or you could google for 'linux random gpg gnupg entropy' or something |
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| 09:17.15 | wsxws | i just found out what to do |
| 09:17.17 | enouf | and add output of your error message |
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| 09:17.34 | wsxws | my errormessage is in german, thats not goog to google |
| 09:17.50 | enouf | use "LANG=C command ...." |
| 09:17.56 | enouf | to obtain english output |
| 09:18.07 | wsxws | but the random available get less when u generate a key. u just hacve to do other things on there server and the will become filled up again |
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| 09:18.36 | wsxws | meanwhile i had enough again to generate the next key |
| 09:18.46 | enouf | export LANG=C will make that shell session output in English (until you close it, or export some VAR back) |
| 09:19.06 | wsxws | thanks for that languagehint |
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| 09:20.49 | ringo999 | which java application server can you recommend for use with debian in productive system? |
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| 09:21.34 | ringo999 | glassfish= |
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| 09:24.03 | Kazuha | Preface of warning: I am a total novice with C. |
| 09:24.03 | Kazuha | I am getting the following error while trying to compile a program that (for convenience's sake uses the pow function (or rather, I try to): undefined reference to `pow' -- now the lines that generate this error are along the lines of: crystal = (BASEC*(pow(COSTMULT, level) )); -- what am I doing wrong here? |
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| 09:25.31 | doleyb | Kazuha: you might like to try ##c for that question, although it is a mean place. You might want to add #include <math.h> into your prog, or -lm into your compile line. |
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| 09:26.49 | felipe | Kazuha: yeah, just -lm missing, as doleyb said |
| 09:27.16 | felipe | pats his '##c' hilight |
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| 09:29.26 | Krintus | Ãà ôîðóì http://forum.forok.ru òðåáóþòñÿ admin è ìîäåðà òîðû ðà çäåëîâ. Âñå êòî çà èÃòåðåñîâà à ïèøèòå â ëè÷êó |
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| 09:29.49 | liable | Krintus: english please, and no spam either.. thanks |
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| 09:32.06 | tenaglia | hi all |
| 09:32.07 | Kazuha | ty -lm seems to have worked. |
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| 09:32.20 | tenaglia | anoyone with issues with client-side kerberos authentication on sid/amd64 ? |
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| 09:33.51 | delaman | trying to install a package but i get this error message http://pastebin.com/m7cb6fb78 any ideas? |
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| 09:34.39 | themill | delaman: please pastebin the entire output and the command that generated it |
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| 09:36.56 | delaman | themill: http://pastebin.com/mf57224f |
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| 09:40.22 | nkuttler | delaman: debug the postinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/. there's obviously something wrong with pycentral |
| 09:41.26 | Trewas | unstable might be quite interesting soon, if the glibc update which changes from glibc to eglibc goes through NEW |
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| 09:42.33 | micket | Trewas: what kind of changes from a user perspective does that imply? |
| 09:44.08 | Trewas | micket: nothing if it really is fully glibc compatible, like it tries to be, funny breakages if it is not |
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| 09:44.53 | Trewas | afaik none of the major distros are using it so far |
| 09:45.09 | micket | Sweet! |
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| 09:46.00 | Ian00 | is there a way to find what packages a filename belongs to, that is NOT already installed? |
| 09:46.26 | themill | Ian00: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 09:47.57 | Ian00 | thank you very much |
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| 09:51.45 | mumriken | hello.. can somone tell me what iso file i nead to install debian on my cpu.. i tryed the debian-501-amd64-businesscard.iso and i got the wrong cpu.. it detected an i1586 |
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| 09:52.55 | enouf | mumriken: the installer uses a -486 IIRC .. you might want the netinstall |
| 09:53.06 | enouf | mumriken: what is your CPU anyway? |
| 09:53.34 | mumriken | amd semptron 2800 |
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| 09:55.25 | mumriken | but there is alot of files dono what to get.. [alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc] |
| 09:55.35 | enouf | mumriken: that's atleast -686 compatible |
| 09:55.39 | enouf | i386 |
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| 09:56.22 | mumriken | ok thix.. think thats te big prob i got the amd64 |
| 09:56.35 | enouf | mumriken: some semprons do not have the '64 bit' extensions (long-mode) |
| 09:57.11 | enouf | mumriken: if you got a livecd you can boot and pastebin output of "grep flags /proc/cpuinfo" we can tell for sure |
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| 09:57.55 | mumriken | but when i tryed to install it sad taht no amd64 detected only i1586 CPU |
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| 09:58.21 | enouf | mumriken: it's likely correct |
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| 09:59.04 | mumriken | so if i get the i 386 file im fine? |
| 09:59.05 | fantomas | Hi. How to turn off Tabs hightlights in MC 4.6.2? |
| 09:59.16 | themill | Well done AMD for giving the same label to chips that are 32-bit-only as well as 32/64 capable. |
| 09:59.33 | jelly | themill: unlike those Intel Xeons! |
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| 10:00.06 | enouf | haha |
| 10:00.16 | themill | jelly: yeah... well done intel for that one too... and the em64t/intel64/whatever-it-is-this-week goodness. |
| 10:00.18 | enouf | mumriken: yes |
| 10:00.30 | mumriken | tix.. |
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| 10:00.42 | themill | but in this case the "sempron 2800" seems to exist in both 32 and 32/64 forms. |
| 10:00.46 | enouf | let's hear it for HVM as well! |
| 10:00.53 | themill | \o/ |
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| 10:02.03 | vlt | Hello. Any idea how to avoid the msg "function systime never defined" in Debian's version of awk? |
| 10:02.44 | jelly | vlt: install gawk? |
| 10:02.46 | themill | !blame mawk |
| 10:02.46 | dpkg | blames gentgeen__ and mawk for all the evil in the world |
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| 10:03.09 | themill | vlt: try "aptitude install gawk mawk_" |
| 10:03.12 | jelly | mawk is small and byootiful |
| 10:03.35 | mumriken | this is the message i got from rtying to install this kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i1586 cpu unabel to boot - please use a kernel apropriate for your cpu |
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| 10:03.58 | enouf | mumriken: yes, expected .. grab the i386 |
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| 10:04.10 | mumriken | sweet |
| 10:05.03 | enouf | mumriken: debian's x86-32 is called 'i386', it's x86-64 arch is called 'amd64' |
| 10:06.20 | mumriken | ok i have the iso now.. thix again for the help.. =) |
| 10:06.20 | enouf | mumriken: /msg dpkg x86-64 ; /msg dpkg em64t ; /msg dpkg ports (if you care/like) |
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| 10:06.45 | enouf | mumriken: hope your net works ;-) (it should) |
| 10:07.08 | mumriken | hehe yea.. but im not worried about thet.. =P |
| 10:07.13 | mumriken | that |
| 10:07.42 | enouf | well .. i mean within the Installer mumriken .. many with only wifi can't use the smaller businesscard.iso |
| 10:08.17 | enouf | s/smaller/much smaller/ (depending upon arch ofcourse) |
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| 10:09.22 | vlt | jelly, themill: Thank you. |
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| 10:10.32 | havocologe | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) without any further rules below it should mean that every incoming packet is accepted right ? |
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| 10:11.31 | unixluser | hello! is there a way for libnotify (notify-send) to only send plain text notifications? (no icons dialog window) |
| 10:11.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | my compiz is not using the metacity themes and the top portion disappears |
| 10:11.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | any idea? |
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| 10:12.27 | unixluser | also, with iptables, mine: |
| 10:12.29 | unixluser | http://pastebin.com/f14d17c63 |
| 10:13.16 | unixluser | how come iptables -L: http://pastebin.com/m3bc04b2b |
| 10:13.26 | unixluser | notice line 4 |
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| 10:14.05 | unixluser | does 4. ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere override 1. Chain INPUT (policy DROP) ? |
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| 10:14.23 | mumriken | got 100mbit cabel.. |
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| 10:15.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | any solution for my problem? |
| 10:16.10 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | how to make compiz use the metacity themes? without the top portion getting disappeared ? |
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| 10:18.10 | lolufail1 | hi there! |
| 10:19.08 | lolufail1 | I appear to be leaking memory, something is using 12 gigs ram... how can I check which prog is causing this? top and htop only return ridiculus low percantages, nothing over 0.2% -.- |
| 10:20.14 | sep | when you type free. your free mem is the sum of free + buffers + cached |
| 10:20.20 | sep | how much are actualy free ? |
| 10:21.06 | sep | lolufail1, also ask dpkg about free memory if you want to learn more |
| 10:21.08 | lolufail1 | ah |
| 10:21.28 | lolufail1 | sep: 11 gigs are in cached |
| 10:21.38 | lolufail1 | so they are actually free if I want to use them? |
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| 10:21.43 | sep | yes |
| 10:21.54 | lolufail1 | Mem: 16473940 12684292 3789648 0 267248 11370408 |
| 10:21.54 | lolufail1 | -/+ buffers/cache: 1046636 15427304 |
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| 10:22.09 | lolufail1 | sep: super, thanks |
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| 10:22.16 | sep | they are just beeing used to speed up your harddrive ( as cache) instead of beeing wasting away doing nothing |
| 10:22.35 | lolufail1 | yeah |
| 10:22.44 | lolufail1 | I love 16gb ram :D |
| 10:23.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | no compiz specialist here? :S .. urmm will ask abrotman later when he comes |
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| 10:25.54 | jelly | !pity abrotman |
| 10:25.54 | dpkg | I pity da fool abrotman! |
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| 10:26.51 | Wormfood | ugh! what package has the headers, etc for dlsym, dlopen and dlclose? I'm trying to compile a program, which 'configure's just fine, but won't compile with errors like "undefined reference to `dlsym'" |
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| 10:28.14 | NovoK | hi all |
| 10:28.22 | matt7676 | if I have set "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0", then how can I remove those settings and use dhcp again? I tried with "ifconfig eth0 down" and "ifconfig eth0 up", but did not help. Any ideas? |
| 10:28.25 | doleyb | !find dlfcn.h |
| 10:28.52 | Wormfood | matt7676, you run the dhcp client |
| 10:29.12 | doleyb | Wormfood: looks like libc6-dev |
| 10:29.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dlfcn.h' (5 of 10): (/usr/include/diet/dlfcn.h) in libdevel/dietlibc-dev ;; (/usr/include/lsb3/dlfcn.h) in devel/lsb-build-base3 ;; (/usr/include/tcl8.3/tcl-private/compat/dlfcn.h) in devel/tcl8.3-dev ;; (/usr/include/tcl8.4/tcl-private/compat/dlfcn.h) in devel/tcl8.4-dev ;; (/usr/include/tcl8.5/tcl-private/compat/dlfcn.h) in devel/tcl8.5-dev. |
| 10:29.43 | Wormfood | doleyb, but that is already installed (that is actually the very first package I tried for) |
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| 10:30.33 | doleyb | Wormfood: well pop open /usr/include/dlfcn.h and take a peek at dlsym. Then you can ask yourself why the compiler doesn't see it. |
| 10:30.41 | matt7676 | Wormfood: ok, but what if I would like to have IP and netmask not configured at all? Isn't there a somekind of "ifconfig eth0 --remove" option, which resets all the settings? |
| 10:30.55 | sean2009 | hi does any one know the command to extract all zip files in the same directory with 7zip? i have tried 7z x *.zip but it doesn't work . can anyone help? |
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| 10:31.06 | Wormfood | matt7676, I'm not sure, not that i've found...try setting it to all zeroes |
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| 10:31.56 | doleyb | sean2009: find . -name \*.zip -exec 7z x \{\} \; |
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| 10:32.24 | sean2009 | ok thanks do i type that in as you wrote it.? |
| 10:32.54 | doleyb | sean2009: yeah. Or if you want a preview of what will happen, find . -name \*.zip -exec echo 7z x \{\} \; |
| 10:33.11 | sylarr | what if I have lvm with several physical disks and then one of the physical disks is destroyed? |
| 10:33.13 | sean2009 | ok thanks i'll try it. |
| 10:33.16 | doleyb | sean2009: notice there are spaces and . and \ and stuff, so maybe copy and paste is better. |
| 10:33.25 | sean2009 | ok thanks |
| 10:33.40 | Wormfood | or you can do a for/in/do loop...like this: for i in *.zip ; do 7z x "$i" ; done |
| 10:34.01 | sean2009 | ok thanks for the help |
| 10:34.45 | Wormfood | of course, with most things like this, you can put "echo" in front of the actual command to see what the command line looks like before you possibly trash all your files, due to a typo |
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| 10:35.08 | Wormfood | doleyb, there is no dlfcn.h file tere |
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| 10:36.21 | doleyb | Wormfood: You say you do have libc6-dev, but don't have /usr/include/dlfcn.h ? |
| 10:36.23 | Wormfood | wtf? I copied/pasted the path you gave me, and it said the file is not there....but it is there....stupid shit! |
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| 10:36.46 | doleyb | Wormfood: (You should have dlfcn.h in both /usr/include and /usr/include/bits ) |
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| 10:36.51 | Wormfood | yeah, the file is there...don't know why it didn't work when I copied/pasted your path |
| 10:36.58 | Wormfood | yes, that is what locate says |
| 10:37.40 | doleyb | Wormfood: Ok, well you can read that file for the dlsym you're looking for. And if your program continues to not build, then you can look more closely at the error. |
| 10:38.26 | Wormfood | it appears that configure somehow decided it didn't need the -ldl option when linking |
| 10:38.34 | Wormfood | if I add that, manually, then it works |
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| 10:38.52 | Wormfood | what the fuck is up with this stupid shit? it should work....configure ran ok |
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| 10:39.40 | doleyb | Wormfood: idk, if you really care you can read configure as a bash script and watch what it does. |
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| 10:39.55 | ringo999_ | what is the standard installation path of tomcat5.5 when installing with package manager? |
| 10:40.07 | Wormfood | right now, I'm sorta in a hurry, and I just want it to work |
| 10:40.36 | Wormfood | all I care is that there is a problem....I want the problem to go away and stop wasting my time....I could have not wasted the last hour trying to figure out this shit |
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| 10:41.03 | themill | !hurry |
| 10:41.03 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
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| 10:42.29 | khaije1 | whats the deal, why am i in overflow? |
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| 10:44.17 | joltcan | khaije1: sorry, but I can't make sence of your sentence |
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| 10:44.47 | joltcan | sense even |
| 10:44.50 | Wormfood | themill, in case you noticed, I tried to fix this problem on my own before asking for help here, so if time was that important, I would have tried here first |
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| 10:45.05 | khaije1 | joltcan: nm me, i'm playing with a new irc client and things look a little differnt |
| 10:45.29 | Wormfood | actually, I don't mind it taking time....I just don't want the fuckin' shit to WASTE my time |
| 10:45.37 | khaije1 | it looked like i ended up in #debian-overflow instead of #debian |
| 10:45.51 | themill | Wormfood: that's good -- try to improve your signal:noise on channel then. Less whinging, complainging and swearing would go a long way. |
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| 10:46.28 | Wormfood | just trying to figure out where the problem is so it can be fixed |
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| 10:47.13 | Wormfood | actually, you've started to increase the S/N ratio, by saying nothing of any real value |
| 10:47.58 | themill | *plonk* |
| 10:48.05 | Wormfood | this is fucked up....I reconfigure it, and recompile it (without the -j3 option), and it works now....I did almost nothing different |
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| 10:48.40 | Wormfood | anyways, thanks for your help doleyb |
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| 10:52.36 | GreesMunkie | I am thinking about a slightly newer video card and have always used Nvidia but am now considering ATI as a possible option. Can someone tell me what state the Linux support for ATI cards (newer 3xxx and 4xxx series) is in. |
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| 10:55.38 | doleyb | GreesMunkie: maybe ##linux or #ubuntu will know |
| 10:55.52 | GreesMunkie | doleyb: okay, thanks |
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| 10:58.11 | asulao | guys, reading the hardening debian manual, the ssh says that keys usage is more secure than password usage, but doesn't explain in what sense. anyone can say why? |
| 10:58.43 | liable | if you have keys, you need both the key, and the passphrase |
| 10:58.50 | \amethyst | asulao: a key has more bits to brute-force than a password |
| 10:58.58 | asulao | that's not true liable |
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| 10:59.14 | Eulex | asulao, for typical passwords, it is true |
| 10:59.15 | \amethyst | the passphrase for the private key, not the password |
| 10:59.24 | asulao | amethyst, so that's the only reason? |
| 10:59.37 | liable | asulao: explain why its not true |
| 10:59.43 | asulao | well, you can create a key w/o passw |
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| 11:00.03 | asulao | no? |
| 11:00.15 | Eulex | asulao, are you referring to a pass phrase for the key? |
| 11:00.20 | asulao | yes |
| 11:00.22 | Eulex | *private key |
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| 11:00.32 | at0m|c | asulao: sure. but then anyone getting hold of the file has all access |
| 11:00.58 | at0m|c | now the passphrase ensures just the proper user of the file |
| 11:01.26 | asulao | at0m|c: but if that happens it is also probable that someone can get hold of your passphrase |
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| 11:01.54 | asulao | I think the real reason is what amethyst said |
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| 11:02.18 | at0m|c | asulao: not really: i can give you my private key, but if my password is strong enough, you will have a hard time brute-force attacking |
| 11:02.39 | asulao | but then brute force I think can be reduced for normal password auth using iptables limiting incoming conns to ssh per x time |
| 11:02.50 | at0m|c | for a test, i tried bruteforce on a .zip file ones. took days just to get to 4chars eh |
| 11:02.55 | \amethyst | asulao: since you aren't not typing the password, keyloggers aren't as much of a concern; root on the server doesn't know the private key, only the public key; it's easier to provide multiple people access to an account in an easily-revokable way |
| 11:02.57 | at0m|c | s/ones/once |
| 11:03.12 | asulao | amethyst, but you do have to type the passphrase |
| 11:03.20 | \amethyst | only once |
| 11:03.24 | asulao | so it's barely the same kind of security I think |
| 11:03.26 | \amethyst | not every time you log in somewhere |
| 11:04.00 | asulao | actually yes, because the passphrase is asked every time you run ssh to get int, or am I wrong? |
| 11:04.06 | \amethyst | ssh-agent |
| 11:04.14 | \amethyst | (of course, if someone can keylog they can also talk to your ssh agent, so perhaps it's not much of an improvement) |
| 11:04.23 | \amethyst | but in any event the passphrase itself isn't enough |
| 11:04.30 | at0m|c | if you're worried about keyloggers, like at work or in kiosk, type some intermediate stuff in another window etc |
| 11:04.31 | \amethyst | they have to capture the passphrase and the private key |
| 11:04.33 | liable | stop being argumentative. how can not having to have the key file, plus knowing the passphrase not be better than just password security? |
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| 11:05.47 | asulao | liable: because if someone gets to find your password it means you are keylogged, and that means that someone has certain complete access to your system, thus letting that someone get a passphrase and key in the same easy way |
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| 11:06.12 | asulao | so, in my opinion what amethyst initial said prevails |
| 11:06.55 | asulao | but that's then my opinion knowing now the reason the hardening debian manual talks about |
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| 11:07.08 | doleyb | asulao: keylogger doesn't imply complete access. |
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| 11:07.38 | \amethyst | asulao: root on the server not being able to find your private key is another benefit |
| 11:08.19 | asulao | what does that mean \amethyst ? |
| 11:08.19 | \amethyst | asulao: root on the server can log your password if they really want; but they can't log your private key because it is never sent to the server |
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| 11:08.43 | \amethyst | asulao: meaning you can use the same identity for connecting to multiple servers |
| 11:08.56 | \amethyst | instead of needing a new password for each system you connect to |
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| 11:09.37 | at0m|c | http://www.linux.com/feature/61061 "Advanced SSH security tips and tricks" |
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| 11:09.59 | asulao | but that means that if someone gets the key, then they have access to not just one server but all |
| 11:10.04 | asulao | that's worse |
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| 11:10.25 | at0m|c | so use ssh2 with proper pass on the key |
| 11:10.26 | doleyb | asulao: worse than what?? |
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| 11:11.00 | \amethyst | asulao: the difference is, someone has to have access to your machine, the one you are sitting at, to get the private key |
| 11:11.04 | asulao | actually what first ocurred to me when reading the manual is that as passwords have fewer bits than keys then encryption should be stronger, but it seems that doesn't affect it at all |
| 11:11.21 | asulao | \amethyst: so that's the case for both cases password and key |
| 11:11.24 | asulao | isn't it? |
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| 11:11.46 | \amethyst | asulao: if you are connecting to a remote server using a password, the remote admin can find your password |
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| 11:11.56 | \amethyst | asulao: that is not the case for private keys or their passphrases |
| 11:12.31 | doleyb | asulao: it's important to think of the PK system as involving an effectively un-invertable function. |
| 11:12.45 | asulao | sure thay can \amethyst, the server stores both the private and public keys |
| 11:12.58 | doleyb | asulao: No it doesn't get them both, that's the whole point of PK. |
| 11:13.00 | asulao | so the admin can do mostly anything, no? |
| 11:13.01 | \amethyst | asulao: the server only needs the public key |
| 11:13.47 | asulao | that's not what I remember reading on the ssh man page, but maybe I don't remember right |
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| 11:14.17 | demon_ | what was the coommand to run a deb file |
| 11:14.23 | zxd | is it possible to control autofs mounts to groups and users |
| 11:14.30 | demon_ | dmpg or smt like that |
| 11:14.37 | Kvant | demon_, dpkg |
| 11:14.44 | demon_ | thanks |
| 11:15.18 | \amethyst | asulao: all you need on the server is a copy of the public key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 11:15.28 | asulao | it would be nice to have some info from an expert in ssh into the hardening manual. |
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| 11:16.51 | asulao | yes, that's true, I remembered it the other way around |
| 11:17.10 | demon_ | Kvant, dpkg need an action option ?? |
| 11:17.29 | \amethyst | asulao: what the hardening manual says is that having password authentication and pubkey authentication both enabled is less secure then having just password authentication enabled; it assumes that you're going to have pubkey authentication regardless |
| 11:17.40 | asulao | but anyway do you find that a real security advantage? I mean, the sysadmin can barely do anything on the system |
| 11:18.42 | asulao | \amethyst: as I understand it is that it says that allowing only key auth is more secure no? |
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| 11:19.06 | \amethyst | asulao: right, allowing only key auth is more secure than allowing either key or password auth |
| 11:19.13 | Kvant | demon_, to install, do: dpkg -i whatever.deb |
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| 11:20.40 | ptman | is there any way to download packages that are in the backports.org new queue? |
| 11:20.44 | asulao | yes, it seems, but the reasons you pointed don't really convince me. if you say maybe that key auth is stronger encryption then Ok, but as it is I don't know. there must be some other reason. |
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| 11:21.40 | \amethyst | asulao: it's not stronger encryption; the session is encrypted the same either way. |
| 11:22.14 | demon_ | thanks Kvant |
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| 11:22.54 | asulao | \amethyst: by stronger I mean someone listening between the two machines, allowing that someone to decrypt (bruteforce or whatever) the transmitted data more easily using password than keys. |
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| 11:25.37 | \amethyst | asulao: the question is whether they can log in as you... that's what pubkey makes harder than passwords |
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| 11:27.36 | asulao | \amethyst: but then we're back to the beginning, it all comes down to client computer security, unless I'm missing something else. |
| 11:28.48 | \amethyst | asulao: yes. Typically a passphrase-protected file + the passphrase is harder to steal than a password |
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| 11:29.36 | \amethyst | asulao: an unencrypted private key *is* likely to be less secure than a password (more vulnerable to attacks on the client) |
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| 11:32.52 | asulao | ok, I guess there is some benefit in having both a file and a password to hijack than just a pass or just a file. |
| 11:34.07 | asulao | thanks for the explanation |
| 11:34.29 | ptman | asulao: Yes, there is. It's called two-factor authentication. A bit like having to hold your physical bank card and know your PIN to be able to get money from an ATM. |
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| 11:35.49 | asulao | yes, I understood it. I was expecting however to see that encrytion is stronger |
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| 11:36.37 | doleyb | asulao: It's not as simple as "stronger" and "weaker". The different choices are susceptible to different kinds of attacks. |
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| 11:37.49 | asulao | yep, I guess another waekness in plain passwd is that brute force protection should rely on iptables |
| 11:38.19 | asulao | if that link fails for whatever reason then key would still be handy there in this case |
| 11:38.23 | asulao | weakness* |
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| 11:41.49 | enouf | recently noticed the harden-doc pkg could use some serious updating; was viewing the apache/apache2/chroot/makejail/libapache2-mod-security info page recently, checked the changelogs on latest sid version .. nothing remotely noted to have changed of substance |
| 11:42.08 | enouf | i mean the guy was using woody at the time ;-) |
| 11:42.22 | abrotman | what could have changed? |
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| 11:42.43 | enouf | 1st off libapache2-mod-security doesn't exist ;-) |
| 11:43.11 | abrotman | i don't think woody had apache2? |
| 11:43.26 | enouf | someone obviously updated it in between |
| 11:43.42 | themill | they'd just run s/apache/apache2/ over it |
| 11:43.42 | enouf | i have 3.1.x here, latest in sid is 3.3.x or similar |
| 11:44.17 | zxd | how do I search for all editors in debian |
| 11:44.37 | zxd | I need one that can select rows |
| 11:44.40 | zxd | not lines |
| 11:44.40 | nkuttler | zxd: apt-cache search editor |
| 11:44.49 | enouf | apt-get update ; apt-cache search editor |
| 11:44.52 | themill | apt-cache showpkg editor |
| 11:44.56 | zxd | there is a regex in aptitude for searching categories |
| 11:44.59 | zxd | a switch |
| 11:45.01 | nkuttler | zxd: i think vim can do that |
| 11:45.25 | themill | what do you mean by "row" rather than "line"? row of what? in what format? |
| 11:45.29 | enouf | rows? or columns? |
| 11:45.30 | beardy | !debtags |
| 11:45.30 | dpkg | methinks debtags is http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/, or a great system for package searching, or apt-cache show debtags, or the way to go!, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags |
| 11:45.58 | abrotman | debtags search use::editing ? .. though i bet that returns a lot of stuff |
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| 11:46.01 | enouf | zxd: columns are the vertical, rows horizontal |
| 11:46.12 | beardy | "text editing" |
| 11:46.17 | beardy | Perhaps. |
| 11:46.19 | zxd | select vertically |
| 11:46.38 | abrotman | zxd: for a CSV/TSV file ? |
| 11:46.38 | enouf | echo $COLUMNS ;-) |
| 11:46.50 | zxd | any txt |
| 11:46.55 | nkuttler | zxd: vim can do that |
| 11:47.02 | abrotman | zxd: can you give us a sample line? |
| 11:47.04 | zxd | vim is too harcore for regular user |
| 11:47.09 | nkuttler | pffff |
| 11:47.16 | zxd | 60 bananas per user |
| 11:47.20 | themill | awk! |
| 11:47.22 | zxd | 80 bananas per user |
| 11:47.27 | zxd | i want to select 60 and 80 |
| 11:47.39 | nkuttler | zxd: your users or you? |
| 11:47.50 | abrotman | zxd: is it always the first column? |
| 11:48.00 | zxd | does it matter? |
| 11:48.05 | abrotman | would i ask? |
| 11:48.14 | themill | "I want lots and lots of features" ... "I want a really easy to use editor" ... spot the problem |
| 11:48.16 | zxd | I dont know I have to check |
| 11:48.42 | nkuttler | themill: and it has to be free |
| 11:49.00 | themill | nkuttler: ahh, that bit's normally not a problem for text editors. The best ones are. |
| 11:49.04 | unomi | try jedit |
| 11:49.16 | abrotman | zxd: if the lines are "80 bananas per user" and you always want the first word in the line (separated by space) you could `awk '{print $1}' foo.file` |
| 11:49.32 | unomi | it might not solidly fit under easy to use |
| 11:49.35 | themill | or just use cut -f1 -d\ |
| 11:49.52 | beardy | Many axes in the shed. |
| 11:50.02 | zxd | abrotman: No I need a gui text editor it isnt for me |
| 11:50.04 | enouf | spaces@! in that awk!' |
| 11:50.06 | beardy | So use sed. |
| 11:50.10 | beardy | runs |
| 11:50.11 | zxd | Ofourse I can use bash perl , awk whatever |
| 11:50.13 | zxd | that isnt the point |
| 11:50.29 | iwkse | zxd: there's a lot of gui text editors |
| 11:50.29 | enouf | (for nice reading only) |
| 11:50.37 | nkuttler | zxd: gvim |
| 11:50.43 | themill | hehe |
| 11:50.53 | nkuttler | i guess emacs can do that too |
| 11:50.55 | unomi | how about kate? |
| 11:50.57 | themill | import it into a spreadsheet... |
| 11:50.59 | enouf | !vimperator |
| 11:50.59 | dpkg | somebody said vimperator was an add-on for Iceweasel/Firefox to appear and operate like the <Vim> editor. Packaged for Debian as 'iceweasel-vimperator'. http://vimperator.org/trac/wiki/Vimperator #vimperator @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:51.04 | beardy | Kate sucks. |
| 11:51.10 | zxd | nkuttler: yes that sounds really friendly gvim and emacs |
| 11:51.11 | enouf | kwrite as well |
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| 11:51.16 | unomi | havent used it in awhile |
| 11:51.17 | abrotman | zxd: another alternative would be to import the file into a spreadsheet and force it to do columns based on ' ', and then select just the first column |
| 11:51.37 | themill | kate will do it quite nicely. "Block selection mode" |
| 11:52.02 | nkuttler | zxd: emacs with a gui should be usable by idiots |
| 11:52.12 | abrotman | nkuttler: should be eh? |
| 11:52.13 | enouf | i think kwrite has more options than ms word :-P |
| 11:52.17 | themill | And kwrite doe it too. |
| 11:52.24 | nkuttler | oh well, let's not go there :) |
| 11:52.28 | zxd | it requires kde libs no? |
| 11:52.41 | unomi | probably |
| 11:52.42 | datenritter | *sigh*, ok since my last update (testing), kpowersave does not allow me to s2ram or to change the cpu-freq anymore. what should i read to find out how to allow my user-account to do this? |
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| 11:52.49 | beardy | Well you wanted gui, why hold back. Install gnome and kde and be done and gone. |
| 11:52.51 | enouf | and it's all cryptic type choices .. no idea what each one does ... |
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| 11:53.12 | zxd | nkuttler gvim and emacs can do it? |
| 11:53.18 | enouf | datenritter: i think maybe check BTS for kpowersave |
| 11:53.22 | themill | Oh, I forgot one... "I want lots and lots of features" ... "I want a really easy to use editor" ... "It shouldn't have any dependencies" |
| 11:53.31 | nkuttler | zxd: vim absolutely, emacs was a guess |
| 11:53.33 | mib_481ajtsr | hello everyone |
| 11:53.41 | abrotman | themill: "should create world peace" |
| 11:53.49 | unomi | "bring beer" |
| 11:53.53 | beardy | "and suck" |
| 11:53.53 | mib_481ajtsr | how to get the usb-bus-type (so if its 2.0 or 1.1) THANK YOU |
| 11:54.09 | enouf | mib_481ajtsr: dmesg | grep |
| 11:54.11 | zxd | themill: you are an idiot |
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| 11:54.16 | nkuttler | mib_481ajtsr: or lsusb |
| 11:54.20 | enouf | or .. use lshw or something |
| 11:54.32 | datenritter | enouf: sorry, what is BTS? |
| 11:54.38 | beardy | No "u" atleast. |
| 11:54.38 | datenritter | bugtrack? |
| 11:54.40 | abrotman | !tell datenritter about bts |
| 11:54.43 | zxd | why wont we all resort back to the green CRT screen and back do drawking lines for gfx interfaces? |
| 11:54.43 | enouf | !tell datenritter -about bts |
| 11:54.47 | themill | zxd: thanks for your constructive input. I've provided you with 4 suggestions, if you don't want them, then that's not my problem. Now stop complaining and start thinking. |
| 11:54.52 | datenritter | thanx abrotman, enouf |
| 11:54.58 | abrotman | zxd: please don't call people names .. you've been given many options |
| 11:55.52 | linduxed | is there anyone whod like to waste some time on a ubuntu question? |
| 11:55.56 | enouf | zxd: your insults are not apropos .. please cease |
| 11:56.06 | iwkse | linduxed: on #ubuntu they do |
| 11:56.07 | enouf | linduxed: no, |
| 11:56.10 | beardy | linduxed: Many, in #ubuntu. |
| 11:56.12 | enouf | not here |
| 11:56.12 | zxd | enouf: ok dickhead |
| 11:56.21 | enouf | byebye ;-) |
| 11:56.30 | abrotman | linduxed: and if they cannot help you, try ##linux |
| 11:56.36 | abrotman | zxd: really, stop calling people names |
| 11:56.47 | linduxed | iwkse: enouf: beardy: abrotman: fine, thx anyway |
| 11:56.48 | enouf | themill: tourettes comes quickly :-p |
| 11:56.59 | iwkse | zxd: if you can't choice yourself don't blame other to choice for you |
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| 11:57.35 | zxd | dont cry please |
| 11:58.29 | jelly | for me Argentina? |
| 11:58.50 | enouf | hears the stirring in the bozobox; asking for a new play thing ... ;-) |
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| 12:06.47 | arvind_khadri | hi, i am getting very low speeds of download |
| 12:07.47 | sep | download less porn or buy a faster line from your isp |
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| 12:08.52 | arvind_khadri | sep, :( any other idea ? |
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| 12:09.08 | nkuttler | arvind_khadri: maybe if you ask a more specific question? |
| 12:10.00 | arvind_khadri | nkuttler, ok, see i have a line of 256kbps so i get a download rate of 30kbps on ubuntu, but here i am getting it as 10kbps, from the repos |
| 12:10.11 | nkuttler | arvind_khadri: apt-spy |
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| 12:11.56 | sep | arvind_khadri, use a close mirror |
| 12:12.32 | arvind_khadri | sep, the mirror at india is down almost always |
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| 12:12.56 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: im sure theres not only one mirror in india |
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| 12:14.21 | \amethyst | valdyn: only one is listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 12:14.37 | arvind_khadri | valdyn, i cant find that even now :( |
| 12:14.53 | arvind_khadri | \amethyst, i didnt find it there now, must have been removed |
| 12:15.10 | arvind_khadri | \amethyst, found |
| 12:15.18 | \amethyst | ftp.iitm.ac.in is listed there right now |
| 12:15.21 | tnt_ | Anyone knows if Manoj Srivastava hangs out on IRC ? |
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| 12:15.50 | themill | !seen Manoj |
| 12:15.50 | dpkg | manoj is currently on #debian, last said: 'giwe: so you need to downgrade back to lenny, or you need to upgrade furher into testing, in either case, a pure lenny solution is only possible if you downgrade back'. |
| 12:15.54 | WaX-Dan | Manoj is still on #debian. |
| 12:16.11 | valdyn | \amethyst: that list isnt remotely close to complete |
| 12:16.19 | tnt_ | themill: Thanks, I was looking for the wrong nick :) |
| 12:16.41 | \amethyst | valdyn: If you know of any mirrors that are missing from this list, please have the site maintainer fill out the form at: http://www.debian.org/mirror/submit. |
| 12:16.46 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: maybe you should just directly check a nearby university file server |
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| 12:17.08 | tnt_ | Manoj: Ping. I'm trying to understand how kerne-package works in the case of a XEN 0 build and I don't see where x_package is used ... |
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| 12:21.28 | arvind_khadri | valdyn, would the mirrors have the backports too ? |
| 12:21.41 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: anyone can mirror whatever he wants |
| 12:22.27 | datenritter | there are bugs which look like my problem with kpowersave in the BTS, but they are supposed to disappear when you restart kpowersaved. is there maybe a new "powersave" group or a new config file which i have to edit...? |
| 12:22.38 | \amethyst | http://www.backports.org/debian/README.mirrors.html has a list of backports mirrors; the closest is in Japan it appears |
| 12:23.16 | valdyn | datenritter: its powersaved and kpowersave, theres no kpowersaved |
| 12:23.41 | valdyn | datenritter: how would we know about your issue when we dont know your issue? |
| 12:24.24 | datenritter | oups, typo |
| 12:24.41 | datenritter | valdyn: (13:52:42) datenritter: *sigh*, ok since my last update (testing), kpowersave does not allow me to s2ram or to change the cpu-freq anymore. what should i read to find out how to allow my user-account to do this? |
| 12:25.04 | datenritter | i was pointed to BTS, but there's nothing like that. |
| 12:25.17 | valdyn | datenritter: this is controlled by dbus and policy now, probably in kde too |
| 12:25.29 | valdyn | datenritter: i dont know the kde gui frontend to polkit |
| 12:25.58 | enouf | datenritter: is that kde4.x ? |
| 12:26.00 | datenritter | valdyn: it's ok, i don't have to use a gui-frontend. i will check out polkit... |
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| 12:26.03 | datenritter | enouf: nope |
| 12:26.12 | enouf | ok |
| 12:26.13 | datenritter | 3.5 |
| 12:26.14 | valdyn | datenritter: you really want to use a gui for this i believe |
| 12:26.24 | datenritter | ok, will check... |
| 12:26.26 | valdyn | datenritter: but i havent tried the cli interface, admittedly |
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| 12:27.06 | valdyn | datenritter: by default the "active console" user is allowed to suspend |
| 12:27.20 | datenritter | apt-cache search polkit shows only a CLI and a bunch of libs |
| 12:27.23 | valdyn | datenritter: maybe you miss some package(s) for polkit to work |
| 12:27.33 | datenritter | possible |
| 12:27.42 | valdyn | datenritter: someone else had that same problem, its a bug that the dep is missing |
| 12:27.49 | datenritter | but shouldn't there be a depend...k |
| 12:28.09 | delaman | anyone know how to change the verbose level when using mkvinfo? |
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| 12:28.13 | valdyn | datenritter: aptitude install policykit |
| 12:28.36 | datenritter | it's installed |
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| 12:29.03 | valdyn | datenritter: whats your uptime? days? |
| 12:29.25 | enouf | wonders if policykit is hal related |
| 12:29.39 | valdyn | datenritter: if you have everything required installed, but not restarted the system for a while |
| 12:29.42 | datenritter | great i can run policytool, but it's not really self-explanatory |
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| 12:29.54 | valdyn | datenritter: then you will need to probably restart dbus and defenitely relog in |
| 12:30.07 | valdyn | datenritter: editing policy should not be needed |
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| 12:30.19 | valdyn | datenritter: if you can, just restart |
| 12:30.47 | datenritter | ok, i will try to relogin |
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| 12:31.12 | valdyn | datenritter: you didnt tell us when you restarted and relogged in last btw |
| 12:31.34 | datenritter | valdyn: uptime 14:31:22 up 15 days |
| 12:31.46 | valdyn | datenritter: so that explains that, hopefully |
| 12:32.16 | datenritter | usually, you don't restart notebooks. nor do you restart linux. though, i have to admit, it sometimes restarts by itself when it feels the need for a sudden XServer-crash or even a hardreset. |
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| 12:32.19 | szonek | hi |
| 12:32.36 | valdyn | datenritter: sure, no one said that you need to restart the system |
| 12:32.51 | valdyn | datenritter: but restarting the system would have done things that you now need to do manually |
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| 12:33.42 | valdyn | datenritter: consolekit got installed at some point |
| 12:33.45 | szonek | how can i change time zone in console without interactive mode? (i tried dpkg-reconfigure tzdata -f noninteractive but it just displays current timezone?) |
| 12:33.46 | Wormfood | this is weird...vmware tried to take over my keyboard, so I logged in via ssh and killed vmware (I couldn't think of anything else to do)....and now it has fucked my keyboard, where it makes extra beeps now, like when I hit page up/down....anyone know what the problem and solution is |
| 12:34.07 | valdyn | datenritter: or console-kit, it tracks who is local, when you log in, not during login time |
| 12:34.17 | datenritter | i see |
| 12:34.27 | valdyn | datenritter: i meant, it got installed recently too, on your system |
| 12:35.10 | datenritter | ok, i will try to logout and login again... |
| 12:36.07 | Wormfood | this fuckin' shit is really pissing me off...every time I hit alt-tab to switch between windows, it fuckin' beeps at me |
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| 12:36.10 | Richy_R | hey |
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| 12:36.56 | Richy_R | im trying to change the hostname in Debian. i edit /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname, reboot, and it goes back to original hostname |
| 12:37.08 | Richy_R | could this be caused by HyperVM by any chance ? |
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| 12:38.25 | datenritter | yay, it worked :) |
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| 12:39.45 | abrotman | !hostname |
| 12:39.45 | dpkg | Use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
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| 12:40.52 | gmap | When I run "startx iceweasel" the application does not fill the entire window. There is gray padding on one side. How can I make it full screen? here is a screenshot http://i40.tinypic.com/15nsqk1.png |
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| 12:41.57 | abrotman | gmap: there is a 'fullscreen' option you could pass to iceweasel |
| 12:43.01 | gmap | abrotman what is the option |
| 12:43.10 | Wormfood | this is some of the most fucked up shit I've seen in a while....if i "xset -r" I get an endless stream of <crtl>M (enter key)....but as soon as i "xset r" it appers to work normal |
| 12:43.12 | abrotman | man iceweasel ? |
| 12:43.19 | at0m|c | iceweasel --help |
| 12:43.22 | abrotman | gmap: i thought it was -fullscreen .. but i'm not sure |
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| 12:43.38 | at0m|c | Wormfood: get your language and attitude together |
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| 12:44.07 | Wormfood | at0m|c, do you have a solution to my problem? |
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| 12:44.20 | Wormfood | short of rebooting (or maybe restarting X) |
| 12:44.34 | petemc | dont run xset -r |
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| 12:44.57 | szonek | how can i change time zone in console without interactive mode? (i tried dpkg-reconfigure tzdata -f noninteractive but it just displays current timezone?) |
| 12:45.10 | Wormfood | petemc, that does not fix the problem |
| 12:45.18 | Wormfood | that is just a symptom of the problem |
| 12:45.27 | stew | Wormfood: what is the problem then? |
| 12:46.05 | Wormfood | I get random extra beep when hitting some keys...like any key that produces multiple bytes |
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| 12:46.22 | valdyn | Richy_R: what is it that you call hostname? the shell prompt? |
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| 12:46.51 | unixluser | hello any of you provide a rough guesstimation of how long after 2.6.30 stable released before it's entered into debian repository (sid)? |
| 12:46.53 | Wormfood | alt-tab, page up/down, backspace....all produce extra beeps....and sometimes normal keys produce the extra beeps, but usually go away after about 10-20 strokes |
| 12:47.19 | valdyn | unixluser: 1 week |
| 12:47.25 | abrotman | 2 weeks! |
| 12:47.26 | unixluser | how do i change keyboard delay/repeat without using xset |
| 12:47.39 | unixluser | i dont really wanna touch xorg.conf (which doesn't exist) |
| 12:47.45 | Wormfood | I've tried 'clear' and 'reset' to no avail....been looking at xset, but that just seems to make it worse |
| 12:47.51 | unixluser | valdyn: abrotman: i get it :) |
| 12:48.14 | \amethyst | szonek: you can use debconf-set-selections |
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| 12:48.44 | stew | unixluser: add a file to /etc/hal/fdi/policy |
| 12:49.17 | Wormfood | any ideas stew? this happened with vmware, and after I killed vmware, i still have this problem in all of x11 now |
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| 12:49.47 | stew | Wormfood: nope |
| 12:49.56 | stew | Wormfood: i could help you disable the bell entirely |
| 12:50.00 | Wormfood | I guess I'll restart X |
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| 12:50.18 | Wormfood | stew, I get 2 different bells...with different pitches...it is really weird |
| 12:50.50 | Wormfood | I get the normal bell, like when I hit tab, or when backspace can't go back anymore.....but like for example, if I hold down backspace key, I get 2 different sounding beeps |
| 12:51.07 | Wormfood | I'll see if restarting X helps |
| 12:51.12 | Wormfood | back in a bit |
| 12:51.23 | szonek | \amethyst: hmm, didn't know about that one, maybe you know how exactyl? |
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| 12:52.17 | \amethyst | szonek: something like printf '%s\n' 'tzdata tzdata/Areas select America' 'tzdata tzdata/Zones/America select New_York' |
| 12:52.25 | \amethyst | szonek: oops |
| 12:52.26 | Richy_R | Anyone know a lot about different types of mail server setups and would be willing to help me via pm for a second ? |
| 12:52.32 | \amethyst | szonek: something like printf '%s\n' 'tzdata tzdata/Areas select America' 'tzdata tzdata/Zones/America select New_York' | debconf-set-selections |
| 12:52.37 | unixluser | stew: thankyou! |
| 12:52.43 | Richy_R | specifically SMTP |
| 12:53.39 | datenritter | Richy_R: just describe your problem |
| 12:54.02 | stew | unixluser: did you actualliy already figure out what you have to put in there? |
| 12:54.30 | szonek | \amethyst: thanks |
| 12:55.08 | \amethyst | szonek: you'll still need to do a noninteractive reconfigure after that |
| 12:55.27 | szonek | \amethyst: okay, will test this in a minute |
| 12:56.03 | Richy_R | Well I have a friend who wants to start an email marketing business. He has bought oemPro already, and needs an SMTP server (and in future maybe multiple SMTP servers) to handle the load. I am just looking for some advice on best way to go about setting up this. Probably want to use Postfix. |
| 12:56.55 | szonek | \amethyst: yeah, it works! :D |
| 12:57.00 | szonek | \amethyst: thanks |
| 12:57.36 | szonek | \amethyst: do you know any source where i could read about this? i couldn't find a thing |
| 12:58.01 | datenritter | "email marketing".... hmmm... |
| 12:58.46 | Richy_R | Like Sendloop, |
| 12:58.50 | Richy_R | CampaignMonitor |
| 12:58.54 | Richy_R | MailChimp |
| 12:59.31 | datenritter | no idea |
| 12:59.40 | \amethyst | szonek: and debconf-set-selections and man 7 debconf have some info |
| 12:59.42 | datenritter | but it sounds very much like spam to me |
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| 13:00.40 | Richy_R | It's not spam, every campaign has to be verified, etc. |
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| 13:00.48 | Richy_R | Do you have any idea how I would go about setting this type of thing up? |
| 13:01.32 | datenritter | not really, because your problem is not specific enough. this channel is for general help about debian systems, not for planning a busines |
| 13:01.55 | beardy | Word. |
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| 13:01.59 | datenritter | i think you should look for an administrator. |
| 13:02.28 | datenritter | i'll be glad to help you if you pay for the flight |
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| 13:02.44 | Hodapp | Fuck marketing. |
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| 13:03.03 | jabb69 | hi all |
| 13:03.08 | Richy_R | its not planning a business? all im asking is what is the best way to setup a SMTP server if you may want to in future have multiple SMTP to share load |
| 13:03.26 | jabb69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.30 | thechef | How can I start konsole with multiple tabs opened at start? |
| 13:03.31 | petemc | Richy_R: just install it, theres nothing special to do |
| 13:03.35 | OpenTokix | Richy_R: how much mail are you planning to send? =) |
| 13:03.42 | OpenTokix | thechef: save a session |
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| 13:03.45 | jabb69 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:04.30 | datenritter | jabb69: stop screwin... |
| 13:04.37 | datenritter | lol |
| 13:04.51 | Hodapp | what was that link anyway? |
| 13:05.14 | Richy_R | OpenTokix: barely anything at the start, but after a few months and once strict spam policies in place, etc... few million a day |
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| 13:06.10 | Richy_R | At the start barely anything, if any, because there won't be any clients. But he needs a system that'll scale. |
| 13:06.13 | datenritter | Hodapp: it's a site which promises to show you defloration photos (porn that is) when you sent the link to so and so many people (snowball system). a very bad and stupid way of "viral marketing" |
| 13:06.42 | datenritter | Richy_R: there are many ways to do load balancing |
| 13:06.51 | datenritter | it's not protocoll-dependant |
| 13:07.04 | datenritter | e.g. you can do a simple (and bad) rr-balancing with DNS |
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| 13:07.32 | datenritter | just let your DNS report a different IP for smtp.yourspamservice.com every time |
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| 13:08.00 | Richy_R | datenritter: ur an ass. |
| 13:08.02 | Richy_R | honestly wtf |
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| 13:08.14 | datenritter | wtf? |
| 13:08.29 | thechef | OpenTokix: okay. And how can I let a command run in each tab at start? |
| 13:08.34 | datenritter | or you might want to use a proxy which observes load on your machines. |
| 13:09.05 | datenritter | that proxy might then just forward SMTP-connections to your SMTP-servers. |
| 13:09.14 | theswellseason | anyone know anything about configuring a VPN on debian? I'm trying to follow the directions on the site, but it's for ubuntu, so it's not correct |
| 13:09.33 | mosno | theswellseason: which vpn |
| 13:09.44 | datenritter | theswellseason: apt-get install openvpn...? |
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| 13:10.09 | theswellseason | mosno: swiss vpn |
| 13:10.20 | mosno | theswellseason: never used it, i use openvpn |
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| 13:10.36 | datenritter | theswellseason: do you want to set up the client or the server? or both? |
| 13:11.34 | trifler | With the help of tcpdump can I see which packets that are beeing dropped by iptable-rules? |
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| 13:12.27 | datenritter | trifler: no |
| 13:12.29 | theswellseason | datenritter: the client. I normally only use a VPN for irc, but swiss vpn doesn't seem to allow you to do an ssh tunnel the way findnot does |
| 13:12.36 | datenritter | trifler: because you will see ALL packets |
| 13:12.47 | theswellseason | it seems like you have to actually configure it so that all your traffic goes through the VPN |
| 13:12.48 | datenritter | trifler: add a LOG rule before DROP and check syslog |
| 13:12.59 | asulao | datenritter: but you can deduce them, more or less |
| 13:13.39 | trifler | datenritter: Rogeer |
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| 13:14.00 | datenritter | theswellseason: oh, i c, swiss vpn is a commercial service |
| 13:14.15 | theswellseason | erm, yes, sorry, I should have specified that |
| 13:14.41 | datenritter | http://www.swissvpn.net/sub.html says, you can just use network-manager, so... |
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| 13:15.30 | datenritter | ...use knetwork-manager or whatever you like in debian. |
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| 13:17.33 | picoo | Hi. I've installed a package via 'dpkg -i package.deb'. How can I remove all files that where installed? 'apt-get remove <package>' does not remove the files. |
| 13:17.55 | Eulex | !purge |
| 13:17.56 | dpkg | purge is probably to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files. |
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| 13:19.31 | picoo | I don't understand. I first installed openfire via 'dpkg -i openfire...', and now I purged it, and re-runned the command (dpkg -i openfire...) and this time I get the following error: |
| 13:19.33 | picoo | Setting up openfire (3.6.4) ... |
| 13:19.33 | picoo | update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/openfire missing LSB information |
| 13:19.33 | picoo | update-rc.d: see <http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts> |
| 13:19.41 | picoo | Didn't get that the first time. |
| 13:19.56 | Markus | hi all... is it possible to add unstable support only for one single package? |
| 13:20.22 | ewet | hi, i have a graphic card with 512mb ram and a native 1440x900 tft-display. why are these http://sprunge.us/HMQf all videomodes i have? is it due to the driver? |
| 13:20.34 | Markus | i need a newer version of amavis-new because the1:2.6.1 is buggy |
| 13:21.28 | petemc | Markus: did you check if there is a backport? |
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| 13:22.26 | Markus | how can i check this ? I added volitile in sources.list |
| 13:22.39 | petemc | backports.org |
| 13:22.48 | \amethyst | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=amavisd-new says there is not |
| 13:22.57 | petemc | that answers that then |
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| 13:23.09 | Markus | i know the latest unstable version of amavis is 1:2.6.3 so Id like to use an unstable package but only for amavis |
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| 13:23.25 | Markus | http://packages.debian.org/sid/amavisd-new |
| 13:23.33 | \amethyst | in this case it looks like the dependencies may be satisfiable in lenny |
| 13:23.43 | \amethyst | in general that is not the case |
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| 13:24.28 | Heavy-D | hey guys, i'm trying to manage my Debian server I have at home from work using SSH with PUTTY but when I try to connect to it... it gives me the message "Network Error: software caused connection abort" ... any idea what it could be? |
| 13:24.32 | CAiRO | hi |
| 13:24.33 | CAiRO | i'm using encfs to encrypt my data but is there a way to protect the directory with the encrypted data so i don't accidently overwrite it? |
| 13:26.12 | petemc | Heavy-D: some firewalls will kill ssh sessions |
| 13:26.23 | petemc | Heavy-D: do you get connected at all? |
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| 13:27.04 | Heavy-D | petemc: well i'm using a non-standard SSH port... but when I go "telnet *hostname* *portnumber* " in a shell I can get conencted |
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| 13:27.45 | unixluser | hello does anyone have a hal fdi policy to address keyboard delay/repeat that they can share? |
| 13:27.50 | Ryushin | Is there an X command that I can use to open a xterm and center it in the middle of the screen regardless of the WM being used? |
| 13:27.53 | \amethyst | Markus: try downloading the sid .deb from packages.debian.org and installing it with dpkg -i |
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| 13:28.21 | justin | Ryushin: xterm -geometry |
| 13:28.32 | \amethyst | Markus: that won't always work but in this case it might since all the dependencies appear to be satisfiable in lenny (and are presumably already satisfied if you have the lenny version of the package) |
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| 13:28.53 | Ryushin | justin: Cool, thanks. |
| 13:29.21 | Markus | yes I use lenny and so I think itßs the lenny version |
| 13:29.34 | stew | unixluser: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Input and http://www.nabble.com/X.org-Keyboard-repeat-rate-through-hal-td23202321.html |
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| 13:30.06 | stew | LjL: flooder! |
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| 13:31.32 | Markus | amnethyst: when I install a package with dpkg -i it is then nerver been updated with apt-get update / upgrade right? |
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| 13:31.56 | LjL | sorry stew, one day i'll probably get a bouncer that doesn't cause this. maybe. |
| 13:32.01 | stew | Markus: wrong |
| 13:32.03 | \amethyst | Markus: it will be if a newer version appears |
| 13:32.04 | stew | LjL: :) |
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| 13:32.14 | Markus | thats really cool |
| 13:32.28 | Markus | thanks... so i will try it |
| 13:32.51 | rdd | is there a way to configure apt to not by default (auto)run newly installed daemons? |
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| 13:35.45 | LjL | rdd: i don't think so because the "update-rc.d" commands are issued from the postinst script |
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| 13:37.04 | jamon | rdd, LjL, preinst/postinst/prerm/postrm are part of .deb files |
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| 13:37.10 | LjL | rdd: i believe several daemon packages nowadays (i guess especially ones that require configuration or are somewhat sensitive) come disabled by default and need enabling from /etc/default, anyway |
| 13:37.21 | LjL | jamon: i didn't imply otherwise |
| 13:37.38 | jamon | nor did i imply that you implied otherwise |
| 13:37.40 | LjL | jamon: but while you probably can tell apt to not execute the *whole* postinst file, that's probably not a good idea if you merely want to avoid update-rc.d |
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| 13:39.11 | linduxed | if ive added a custom repo with updates to a lot of packages, installed the updates, and now want to go back to the official-repo-versions, how do i do that? |
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| 13:40.52 | RichiH | linduxed: the short answer is: you can't |
| 13:40.55 | LjL | linduxed: assuming downgrading will work, apt-get --reinstall install packagename=versionnumber will force installation (i guess the syntax would be the same with aptitude but i don't quite remember) |
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| 13:41.39 | nkuttler | linduxed: uninstall + reinstall the packages.. |
| 13:41.39 | LjL | but yeah, indeed it will be not particularly likely to work if that's "a lot of packages" |
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| 13:41.39 | stuckey | Would anyone tell me how I can use schroot to set up a "schroot" to that I can play a 32Bit game (doom3) on 64bit lenny? |
| 13:41.39 | \amethyst | I'd figure out which packages come from the repository, make a list, purge them, remove the repository, then reinstall them |
| 13:41.39 | Brainscape | What is the best way to find the directory of say libxml2? Trying to compile php and need to find the dir for a couple of them |
| 13:41.47 | nkuttler | Brainscape: dpkg -L package |
| 13:42.00 | LjL | compile php, ugh |
| 13:42.01 | \amethyst | Brainscape: you probably need libxml2-dev |
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| 13:42.37 | Brainscape | Or is there a way to use apt-get to get the lastest php and pear? Old php is old when I use apt-get |
| 13:42.42 | \amethyst | Brainscape: in general the header files and unversioned library symlinks are in the -dev package rather than the base one |
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| 13:43.19 | Brainscape | \amethyst Okey thanks |
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| 13:44.20 | \amethyst | !ssb |
| 13:44.20 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 13:44.45 | \amethyst | Brainscape: what version of php do you need, and what version of debian are you using? |
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| 13:46.02 | linduxed | if ive added a custom repo with updates to a lot of packages, installed the updates, and now want to go back to the official-repo-versions, how do i do that? |
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| 13:46.25 | \amethyst | linduxed: I'd figure out which packages come from the repository, make a list, purge those packages, remove the repository, then reinstall the packages in the list |
| 13:46.51 | \amethyst | linduxed: purging then reinstalling is much safer than downgrading (but you'll lose your config) |
| 13:47.10 | Markus | what is the worst case when I use http://packages.debian.org/sid/amavisd-new with my debian lenny ? |
| 13:47.12 | linduxed | \amethyst: would be good if it wasnt for the fact that it was alsa |
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| 13:47.44 | linduxed | \amethyst: when i try to remove some of the alsa packs it wants to remove stuff like vim and shit |
| 13:47.49 | LjL | linduxed: what *is* wrong with --reinstall install name=versionnumber? |
| 13:47.57 | linduxed | \amethyst: totally unrelated things |
| 13:48.34 | \amethyst | linduxed: then you can try a downgrade, but there's the possibility it will break if the third-party repository made changes to the config or package layour |
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| 13:49.07 | farhaven | hi there |
| 13:49.12 | linduxed | \amethyst: hmm, true |
| 13:49.18 | linduxed | farhaven: o/ |
| 13:49.26 | farhaven | hi :) |
| 13:49.41 | LjL | \amethyst: or perhaps if downgrading is that bad, one could use dpkg to purge ignoring dependencies (so his vim doesn't get removed), and then immediately reinstall? |
| 13:49.54 | farhaven | kinda behind enemy lines here :) |
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| 13:50.18 | \amethyst | LjL: only if you're sure the machine will continue operating with those dependencies unsatisfied |
| 13:50.34 | linduxed | LjL: its not only vim, its a whole list of seemingly unrelated packages |
| 13:50.41 | LjL | well, alsa in and of itself doesn't sound *essential* to me, but yes |
| 13:50.45 | \amethyst | LjL: e.g. if something does break and needs manual intervention, you might not be able to use vim to edit files |
| 13:50.47 | LjL | linduxed: i was just saying |
| 13:50.58 | linduxed | LjL: well, some are obvious, soundreliant ones |
| 13:51.24 | linduxed | \amethyst: that would be anti-awesome |
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| 13:51.36 | LjL | \amethyst: ok but realistically, alsa is probably just being complainted about because it's part of some metapackage the whole world depends on, no? |
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| 13:52.54 | linduxed | hmmm, this install is quite fresh, so i could backup home and do a reinstall |
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| 13:53.02 | LjL | linduxed: though, removing alsa-base doesn't cause anything particularly bad here on my apt |
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| 13:53.20 | linduxed | LjL: it does here, dunno why |
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| 13:53.45 | linduxed | but as said, i dont find reinstall that scary so no big deal |
| 13:54.15 | salvin | !dpkg moo |
| 13:54.15 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 13:54.18 | linduxed | allthough next time i use custom repos i think ill ask how to make a "restoration point" |
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| 13:54.54 | LjL | linduxed: like there is a way :) |
| 13:55.09 | \amethyst | back up :) |
| 13:55.17 | LjL | yes, that |
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| 13:58.57 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps do I gotta format my drives to enable smart monitoring or anything? |
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| 14:01.31 | rhodescus | bbelt16ag: no |
| 14:02.31 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 14:03.21 | rhodescus | bbelt16ag: there is a smart command to turn on self-monitoring |
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| 14:04.28 | bbelt16ag | yes |
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| 14:05.10 | ansolas | hello friends |
| 14:05.24 | rhodescus | bbelt16ag: try smartctl -h |
| 14:05.25 | ansolas | I have a windows 2008 student root server |
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| 14:05.41 | ansolas | now i like to kill that windows stuff and replace it with debian |
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| 14:06.08 | ansolas | the only "shell" access i have is a SAC console |
| 14:06.28 | ansolas | i tried to install goodbye-microsoft release |
| 14:06.52 | ansolas | and i can choose in that sac the debian installer from the boot menu but than i get a hung |
| 14:06.53 | justin | ansolas: you dont have physical access to the machine? |
| 14:06.59 | ansolas | any idea if i can do that at all? |
| 14:07.02 | ansolas | nope |
| 14:07.17 | ansolas | unfortunately not |
| 14:07.23 | justin | are you sure it is hanging? maybe you aren't getting the console output? |
| 14:07.32 | justin | when does it hang? |
| 14:07.34 | datenritter | german users please switch your tv on and watch phoenix. they (bundestag) are discussing the new german great firewall. |
| 14:07.36 | ansolas | i let it run for 30 mins |
| 14:07.58 | justin | this isnt an issue of time. you will either see the console output or you wont |
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| 14:08.18 | ansolas | so what do you suggest to dO? |
| 14:08.21 | abrotman | datenritter: do not spam here |
| 14:08.30 | justin | 10:07 < justin> when does it hang? |
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| 14:08.54 | ansolas | after selecting the debian installer |
| 14:09.01 | [mhoney] | I am having trouble getting lenny to log php errors. I have log_errors=On and error_log=/var/log/php.log set in the php.ini but no log file ever gets created |
| 14:09.08 | ansolas | do you have experioences with theses sac consoles? |
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| 14:09.19 | Nicklas` | Hi |
| 14:09.24 | justin | no, but like I said, it might be booting fine, you just might not be getting the console output |
| 14:09.30 | ansolas | http://hilfe-center.1und1.de/server/image/win2008/Ser2Net.gif |
| 14:09.46 | justin | ansolas: there you go then |
| 14:09.54 | Nicklas` | I'm using a Debian SID and since today, my pidgin soft crashes when I start a communication |
| 14:09.56 | justin | ansolas: did you tell the debian installer to use the serial console? I dont think it does so by default |
| 14:09.57 | ansolas | but how could i connect to it without evebn knowing the debian root access user |
| 14:10.03 | Nicklas` | pidgin receive a SIGKILL |
| 14:10.19 | ansolas | no i just used the windows installer |
| 14:10.19 | Nicklas` | have you an idea about this issue ? |
| 14:10.33 | ansolas | this goodbye microsoft release |
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| 14:10.53 | Timoteo | heloo |
| 14:10.56 | ansolas | is that sac thing MS specific? |
| 14:10.58 | \amethyst | Nicklas`: SIGKILL not SIGILL ? |
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| 14:11.10 | justin | ansolas: this "boot menu" are you talking about grub? |
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| 14:11.16 | ansolas | yes! |
| 14:11.17 | ansolas | grub |
| 14:11.37 | Nicklas` | \amethyst: yes |
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| 14:11.40 | Nicklas` | --- SIGILL (Illegal instruction) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 14:11.41 | Nicklas` | +++ killed by SIGILL +++ |
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| 14:11.59 | jaggz- | can I delete the non-en/ directories in /usr/share/locale/? |
| 14:12.05 | justin | ansolas: then adding console=ttyS0 to the kernel arguments should work |
| 14:12.07 | tuvwx | is there a way to specify a different gtk theme for vnc sessions without changing the default theme for local logins? |
| 14:12.12 | \amethyst | Nicklas`: what did you upgrade recently? |
| 14:12.14 | isaksen | I am guessing that most people are using lenny and not sid or squeeze? |
| 14:12.23 | Nicklas` | \amethyst: yesterday |
| 14:12.34 | \amethyst | Nicklas`: what protocols are you using? |
| 14:12.37 | ansolas | justin: you mean at the installer? |
| 14:12.45 | isaksen | I switching from ubuntu |
| 14:12.49 | justin | ansolas: by "the installer" what do you mean? |
| 14:12.49 | isaksen | *i am |
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| 14:12.57 | jaggz- | I'm worried if I delete locale/fr/ I'll get some error messages or crash programs |
| 14:13.09 | ansolas | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 14:13.11 | ansolas | i tried this |
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| 14:13.47 | Nicklas` | \amethyst: it's right for MSN and Jabber |
| 14:13.52 | rhodescus | jaggz-: why would you need to delete it? |
| 14:13.58 | isaksen | I guess silence is yes |
| 14:13.59 | jaggz- | okay, so I deleted fr/ and now I'm scared |
| 14:14.00 | Nicklas` | \amethyst: I haven't tried with others protocols |
| 14:14.00 | justin | ansolas: how were you running that program? |
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| 14:14.15 | jaggz- | only 40gb hd and I'm trying to remove unnecessary stuff since I have only 5gb free |
| 14:14.16 | ansolas | the server comes with windows server 2008 installed by default |
| 14:14.20 | Nicklas` | \amethyst: I'm installing symbol to send a backtrace |
| 14:14.24 | ansolas | i ran it via remotedesktop |
| 14:14.27 | ansolas | :) |
| 14:14.31 | justin | ansolas: i figured... |
| 14:14.39 | justin | ansolas: so you do not actually have remote console access to the machine |
| 14:14.47 | unixluser | hi guys. say i decided to purge something with apt-get or aptitude, the dependencies removed (no longer needed) are just deleted, not purged. How do i automate purging of these deps? |
| 14:14.52 | ansolas | um I have but only to windows |
| 14:14.53 | jaggz- | I don't know what in the world has taken up so much space.. |
| 14:15.04 | justin | ansolas: remote desktop is not remote console access |
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| 14:15.22 | justin | ansolas: unless you can reboot the machine and interact with say, the bios, you dont have remote console access |
| 14:15.24 | ansolas | beside that remotedesktop i have that sac> access |
| 14:15.36 | \amethyst | Nicklas`: there are a few bug reports related to MSN crashes and XMPP crashes |
| 14:15.37 | ansolas | via ssh |
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| 14:15.43 | justin | yes, and the page you linked to seems to indicate that sac is remote serial port access |
| 14:15.51 | \amethyst | Nicklas`: sending a bad meta-character, sending to an offline users, a few random ones |
| 14:15.57 | ansolas | yeh i have that access |
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| 14:16.07 | justin | so until you tell debian to send something to the serial port, it will "hang" |
| 14:16.17 | rhodescus | jaggz-: du -sk /* |
| 14:16.19 | Nicklas` | \amethyst: there is a solution to fix this ? |
| 14:16.23 | \amethyst | Nicklas`: but, yeah, get the backtrace and submit a bug report (or submit it to one of those existing bugs, if it seems to be one of these) |
| 14:16.31 | isaksen | another thing! how is upgrading from etch to lenny smooth(like ubuntu ) or perfect like arch linux |
| 14:16.33 | ansolas | hm |
| 14:16.34 | [mhoney] | how do I get php to log errors in its own file and not the error.log in /var/log/apaches/??? |
| 14:16.44 | ansolas | any idea how icould manage that ? |
| 14:16.55 | \amethyst | Nicklas`: maybe not, but you'll at least help get it fixed in the next version of pidgin |
| 14:16.59 | jaggz- | yeah.. I decided to use konquerer's view method which shows sizes |
| 14:17.01 | jaggz- | it's nifty |
| 14:17.01 | justin | 10:12 < justin> ansolas: then adding console=ttyS0 to the kernel arguments should work |
| 14:17.14 | ansolas | i ve read that but how :D |
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| 14:17.23 | ansolas | linux newbee ... |
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| 14:17.47 | Nicklas` | \amethyst: what I don't understand, that's work well before... pidgin haven't updated recently (only package dependances) |
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| 14:18.05 | justin | ansolas: you see the grub menu, right? |
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| 14:18.18 | ansolas | yeh i can see that |
| 14:18.27 | justin | ansolas: hit e |
| 14:18.29 | justin | g2g |
| 14:19.05 | \amethyst | Nicklas`: it could be that (some library changed ABI without getting a soname bump), or it could be that the MSN servers started doing something different at the same time |
| 14:19.14 | ansolas | at that windows installer thing i also can add some linux cmdline |
| 14:19.18 | \amethyst | Nicklas`: does e.g. turning sound off stop the crashes? |
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| 14:19.40 | ansolas | by default there is : vga=normal priority=low |
| 14:19.54 | jaggz- | but now I need to find what I can actually remove |
| 14:19.55 | jaggz- | :) |
| 14:19.55 | ansolas | would that be the right place ? |
| 14:19.58 | Nicklas` | \amethyst: no |
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| 14:20.27 | \amethyst | Nicklas`: once you have the stack trace that should indicate whether it's in the protocol handlers or somewhere else |
| 14:20.30 | ansolas | i am right now conncted via remote desktop thats why i am checking out possible options |
| 14:20.32 | rhodescus | jaggz-: what is the size of /home? |
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| 14:20.44 | ansolas | if you say no i just reboot and try that e option |
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| 14:21.23 | Nicklas` | \amethyst: I download the package source to be able to map symbols |
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| 14:21.53 | designs703 | How can I root a Unix account, when SFTP'ing in, to a particular directory? |
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| 14:22.43 | ansolas | ok i reeboot |
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| 14:23.44 | ansolas | ok i added that console= as argument |
| 14:23.54 | ansolas | now i see a whole console with ????? |
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| 14:24.02 | ansolas | questionmarks running |
| 14:24.11 | ansolas | is that good ? |
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| 14:24.41 | ansolas | brr refueling with coffee :D |
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| 14:26.43 | jaggz- | heh.. du worked better for me than konquerer... it's one directory I've begun using for my projects and data. |
| 14:27.06 | jaggz- | thanks.. I don' tknow how I missed it with konqueror's thing .. but I am not used to using it (while I am used to using du) |
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| 14:28.04 | Nicklas` | \amethyst: my strace output seems to http://developer.pidgin.im/raw-attachment/ticket/8832/pidgin.txt |
| 14:28.06 | McNult1 | Can anyone help me with PDO and Sqlite? I install pdo_sqlite via PECL but then it errors out when I try and use PHP |
| 14:29.03 | \amethyst | Nicklas`: a backtrace (with pidgin-dbg installed) would be more helpful |
| 14:29.13 | Thead | can someone help me setting a basig iptables firewall? |
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| 14:29.17 | Nicklas` | \amethyst: I think also |
| 14:29.24 | jaggz- | found it! |
| 14:29.33 | jaggz- | thanks rhodescus :) |
| 14:29.37 | \amethyst | Nicklas`: you should be able to get one to bug-buddy, or else run pidgin under gdb, wait for it to crash, and do bt in gdb |
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| 14:30.05 | Thead | anyone? |
| 14:30.24 | petemc | ask a real question |
| 14:30.28 | \amethyst | Nicklas`: or turn core files on (ulimit -c unlimited in the shell from which you start pidgin), wait for it to crash and core dump, then gdb pidgin core |
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| 14:30.47 | jaggz- | petemc, hey, what's "this"? |
| 14:31.10 | designs703 | Any thoughts on my SFTP question? Or am I asking the wrong room (this is a Debian box)? |
| 14:31.17 | Thead | well, i have a deb with 3 net interfaces: eth0 eth1 and eth2 |
| 14:31.27 | petemc | jaggz-: a work which refers to an object |
| 14:31.32 | Thead | both, eth1 and eth2 are for diferents ips |
| 14:31.40 | petemc | a/work/word/ |
| 14:31.58 | Thead | now, i want to apend rules to deny anything but ssh incoming to the server from those interfaces |
| 14:32.24 | abrotman | designs703: you mean "chroot" ? |
| 14:32.28 | abrotman | jail ? |
| 14:32.31 | petemc | Thead: are you running services other than ssh? |
| 14:32.32 | Thead | sorry, y misstyped, i mean, eth1 and eth2 are for diferent ISP |
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| 14:32.48 | Thead | not really, just loadbalancing |
| 14:33.00 | petemc | so what exactly would you be blocking? |
| 14:33.14 | Thead | i guess everything from the outside, right? |
| 14:33.17 | greycat | abrotman: I gave up trying to answer the 16 "I want my sftp/scp/ssh users to be stuck inside their home directory" questions a week. |
| 14:33.24 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 14:34.02 | abrotman | Hydroxide: what about a baseball game for the day trip? like the cyclones or something? |
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| 14:34.19 | ansolas | btw pressing e at the grub menu doesnt work |
| 14:34.35 | \amethyst | Thead: perhaps e.g. iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT ; iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -j REJECT |
| 14:34.54 | designs703 | abrotman: possibly. |
| 14:35.02 | datenritter | hmm i cannot fetch testing/updates/contrib Translation-de from my apt-cacher. apt reports 104 connection reset by peer. what do i do? apt-cachers debug-output didn't really help... :( |
| 14:35.32 | designs703 | abrotman: I'll read this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html |
| 14:35.46 | abrotman | okay! |
| 14:35.50 | Thead | same for eyh2? |
| 14:35.59 | Thead | eth, sorry, same for eth2? |
| 14:36.05 | abrotman | Hydroxide: or something like Coney Island (though I don't know what is left there to do) |
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| 14:36.54 | micols | is mod_cband available in lenny repos? |
| 14:36.54 | \amethyst | Thead: yes |
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| 14:37.15 | micols | guess its unstable only. |
| 14:37.22 | datenritter | ah, i assume this is nonsense: deb http://(my apt-cacher)/security testing/updates main contrib non-free - as there is no contrib and non-free in security updates? |
| 14:37.27 | ansolas | anyone like to help me please to banish that windows server from my server? |
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| 14:37.34 | \amethyst | Thead: that will block everything (including pings, path MTU discovery, etc) coming in on that interface except for TCP port 22 |
| 14:37.49 | \amethyst | Thead: assuming your INPUT chain was empty to begin with |
| 14:37.52 | jaggz- | hmm.. |
| 14:37.53 | ansolas | please priv-msg me that we do not spam the channel |
| 14:38.07 | Thead | yup, i havent defined any rules yet |
| 14:38.17 | Thead | i just want to set up a secure basic firewall |
| 14:38.45 | Thead | so i sumed that no incoming conections should be accepted unless is ssh from the admin |
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| 14:39.19 | datenritter | ansolas: what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:39.29 | datenritter | remove windows from a machine? |
| 14:39.36 | ansolas | i have a windows root server |
| 14:39.46 | ansolas | and i have a serial console |
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| 14:39.59 | abrotman | ansolas: so just install something other than windows |
| 14:40.09 | abrotman | !tell ansolas about netinst |
| 14:40.11 | ansolas | now i like to install debian and kill windows |
| 14:40.20 | abrotman | !tell ansolas about ig |
| 14:40.51 | ansolas | i tried that debian windows installer |
| 14:41.14 | ansolas | and added console=ttyS0 as arguments |
| 14:41.22 | datenritter | but? |
| 14:41.26 | ansolas | when i restart the computer i can see the grub menu |
| 14:41.34 | ansolas | and than when i choose debian-installer |
| 14:41.45 | ansolas | i see alot of ? on teh screen running |
| 14:41.50 | ansolas | then i loos the connection |
| 14:41.53 | ansolas | thats it |
| 14:42.01 | ansolas | when i reboot the same |
| 14:42.28 | datenritter | sounds like your serial console is not set up properly or something |
| 14:42.45 | datenritter | there is an unattended install though, maybe you can use that |
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| 14:43.04 | ansolas | hm is it possible that the serial console only alows windows ? |
| 14:43.09 | ansolas | allows |
| 14:43.59 | datenritter | ansolas: i don' thinks o |
| 14:44.03 | datenritter | erg |
| 14:44.07 | datenritter | i don't think so |
| 14:44.17 | datenritter | hmm, apt-cacher must be broken in testing once again |
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| 14:44.27 | datenritter | this is by far the most often broken package i know |
| 14:44.43 | datenritter | transmission errors in every second version |
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| 14:45.05 | ansolas | looks like i have to stick to windows ;( |
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| 14:45.45 | ma3x | hi, i want to compile mplayer and build a package. how can I specify -j2 (for 2 cpu) when i type dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 14:46.18 | greycat | ma3x: edit the debian/rules file (which is a Makefile) |
| 14:48.11 | apostle | I need to confirm specific Intel motherboards are supported by Linux....what is the best approach to doing this? |
| 14:48.40 | greycat | install Linux on them |
| 14:49.02 | Thead | u can run a make menuconfig and check if that especific kernell supports it |
| 14:49.07 | Shadur | Or check their chipsets and google. |
| 14:49.08 | Thead | or u can just google it |
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| 14:49.28 | greycat | "just google it" might be OK but it depends on precisely what he means by "confirm". |
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| 14:49.46 | [mhoney] | what user does apache2 run as in Lenny? |
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| 14:49.47 | Hodapp | it is rather rare to find a motherboard not supported by Linux |
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| 14:49.52 | Shadur | I can't really imagine there's any mainboards left that aren't supported in linux - at least, where the basics are concerned. |
| 14:49.57 | \amethyst | Nicklas`: I'd use reportbug to send it, that way all necessary info is there (reportbug will let you select an existing bug) |
| 14:50.00 | stew | [mhoney]: www-data |
| 14:50.00 | \amethyst | doh |
| 14:50.04 | [mhoney] | ty |
| 14:50.09 | liable | greycat: wow, after 3 or so years, you must have gotten bored ;) |
| 14:50.34 | Shadur | Some of the on-board peripherals, maybe not if they're oddball, but I/O and IDE/SATA chipsets, sure. |
| 14:52.24 | [mhoney] | for the life of me I cant get php to log errors in its own file!!! arghhh |
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| 14:53.28 | datenritter | how do i install an older version of a package comfortably? how do i find out which version was the last one? |
| 14:53.29 | Nicklas` | \amethyst: I'm going to test the patch about libxml2 |
| 14:53.34 | \amethyst | Nicklas`: cool |
| 14:53.48 | greycat | datenritter: it'll never be comfortable. The question is whether it is POSSIBLE. |
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| 14:54.07 | \amethyst | Nicklas`: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522669 is the associated libxml2 bug |
| 14:54.12 | greycat | datenritter: if you have the package file already, you can use "dpkg -i filename" but you'll have to make sure the dependencies are satisfied. |
| 14:54.25 | datenritter | greycat: i am sure it will be possible there are not many dependancies and they should be uncritical |
| 14:54.33 | \amethyst | Nicklas`: it sounded like both patches were needed, and in some situations a patch to gstreamer as well |
| 14:54.37 | datenritter | i just have to find the older package file |
| 14:54.43 | greycat | !archive |
| 14:54.43 | dpkg | somebody said archive was a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 14:54.57 | datenritter | ah |
| 14:54.59 | greycat | Or if it's not THAT old, just look in the pool. |
| 14:55.18 | datenritter | but thats pre-testing |
| 14:55.27 | datenritter | pool... look for the pool... |
| 14:55.41 | \amethyst | !snapshot |
| 14:55.41 | dpkg | i guess snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 14:56.03 | liable | which is apparently unreliable again |
| 14:56.19 | \amethyst | oh great |
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| 14:56.52 | stew | afaik, snapshot.debian.net hasn't been maintained for about a year |
| 14:57.01 | greycat | !pool |
| 14:57.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, pool is http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-project-9910/msg00052.html or http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html#s-pools |
| 14:57.10 | jaggz- | man.. thunderbird is locking up way too frequently |
| 14:57.14 | datenritter | got it |
| 14:57.23 | jaggz- | like.. each time I try to use it |
| 14:57.27 | stew | datenritter: what version of what package do you need? |
| 14:57.29 | Nicklas` | By the way, as I'm into the debian #channel |
| 14:57.44 | Nicklas` | I have packaged opensync svn |
| 14:57.46 | datenritter | stew: i am about to install apt-cacher_1.6.4_all.deb |
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| 14:58.00 | datenritter | cause 1.6.8 is broken once again |
| 14:58.03 | Nicklas` | since I work about barry project |
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| 14:59.10 | datenritter | yes, 1.6.4 works. |
| 14:59.33 | datenritter | and it's always the same problem |
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| 15:00.01 | stew | datenritter: did you try the patch in the bts? |
| 15:00.09 | Nicklas` | \amethyst: for the moment, it seems work |
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| 15:00.21 | datenritter | stew: nope |
| 15:00.34 | Nicklas` | so |
| 15:00.34 | \amethyst | Nicklas`: and if you turn sound back on? |
| 15:00.35 | stew | datenritter: any reason why not? |
| 15:00.43 | Nicklas` | \amethyst: ok I test |
| 15:01.04 | datenritter | actually checking the BTS is a lot of work and i don't see a reason to apply patches when i can just go back one version and wait |
| 15:01.26 | Brainscape | Anyone where I can find apxs or apxs2 under apache2 if I installed it from apt-get |
| 15:01.50 | Nicklas` | \amethyst: seems work |
| 15:01.57 | stew | Brainscape: in the apache2-*-dev packages |
| 15:02.05 | Nicklas` | \amethyst: I have tested with MSN and Jabber account |
| 15:02.09 | stew | Brainscape: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 15:02.20 | Nicklas` | \amethyst: thank's for your bug database acknoledge :) |
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| 15:05.09 | datenritter | great, now apt on one box tells me, it can't read the package list... :( |
| 15:06.00 | stew | as long as it is easier than checking the bts for the single character you'd have to add to a file to fix the version you had |
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| 15:06.49 | Nicklas` | a little question |
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| 15:07.02 | Nicklas` | with aptitude can I download the source package ? |
| 15:07.09 | Nicklas` | as apt-get source <package> |
| 15:07.12 | stew | Nicklas`: no |
| 15:07.25 | Nicklas` | so the two tools are usefull :) |
| 15:07.40 | datenritter | stew: one character is not the problem. the problem is: it happens just too often |
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| 15:07.56 | stew | datenritter: then you should probably be running debian stable, not testing/unstable |
| 15:08.03 | datenritter | maybe |
| 15:08.10 | Nicklas` | \amethyst: by the way, I use Alsa for the sound (I don't still work with pulse) |
| 15:08.26 | datenritter | i do, like many people, consider testing to be the better debian |
| 15:08.26 | liable | wonders why they dont add getting source for aptitude. (though admittedly there are other tools) |
| 15:08.41 | stew | liable: i assume they will be soon. it has build-dep now |
| 15:08.43 | datenritter | but i will never ever use it for servers again. |
| 15:09.11 | liable | stew: oh, interesting. |
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| 15:09.31 | datenritter | the problem with testing is: you don't want stable on a desktop. but you don't want certain things to be obviously broken too often either |
| 15:09.50 | stew | datenritter: people that say testing is better for servers generally don't know what they are talking about |
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| 15:10.08 | stew | datenritter: if checking the bts is too much trouble, then stable is better, even for desktops |
| 15:10.10 | datenritter | stew: i never said that. it's stupid |
| 15:10.14 | themill | datenritter: there's nothing wrong with stable on the desktop. It's all I ever use on any of my desktop machines. |
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| 15:10.35 | liable | infects themill with sns |
| 15:10.42 | Brainscape | Hm, do I need to compile apache2 from source to be get ahold of the apxs file? I can't find the path to it |
| 15:10.43 | themill | immune! |
| 15:11.05 | stew | Brainscape: its apxs2 in the apache2-*-dev packages |
| 15:11.07 | greycat | Brainscape: it's in the apache2-*-dev packages |
| 15:11.19 | greycat | (Now he's been told 3 times. A few more, he might listen.) |
| 15:11.25 | stew | Brainscape: though most people that ask about it don't have a good reason to actually need it. what are you planning to use apxs for? |
| 15:11.26 | themill | Brainscape: apt-file search apxs |
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| 15:11.57 | imzu | hi guys, i wonder if anyone can help with a heartbeat cib config on debian lenny? |
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| 15:12.31 | Brainscape | greycat haha.. |
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| 15:14.17 | Brainscape | stew: I'm trying to compile PHP5 on debian and I want to enable php for apache2 so I'm trying to compile it with apxs (not sure if this is the right route to go) I have apache2-prefork-dev installed and I tried dpkg -L apache2-prefork-dev but I didn't see the apxs |
| 15:14.35 | stew | Brainscape: why not just "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5" |
| 15:14.36 | greycat | why are you compiling php? |
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| 15:17.01 | Brainscape | Greycat: Because I want to have control over which version I install. I used apt-get install php5 but the version I get then is 5.2.0 |
| 15:17.24 | greycat | !find bin/apxs2 lenny |
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| 15:17.31 | stew | Brainscape: you should consider upgrading to debian stable |
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| 15:18.42 | stew | Brainscape: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 15:18.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/apxs2' (1): (/usr/bin/apxs2) in devel/apache2-prefork-dev,devel/apache2-threaded-dev. |
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| 15:20.21 | Brainscape | stew I'm try that, I must have missed the release in february. Using a template from Xenserver |
| 15:20.25 | Brainscape | I'll |
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| 15:28.39 | liable | http://blog.aurel32.net/?p=47, that has potential to be lots of fun for a while |
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| 15:29.09 | Caelum | which man page has the options for the xorg keyboard driver |
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| 15:30.04 | stew | liable: i don't think that us moving to eglibc is as definate as he makes it sound |
| 15:30.17 | stew | liable: time will tell, i guess. |
| 15:30.43 | designs703 | I'm having chroot troubles. I created the chroot directory using the libpam script and edited chroot.conf to jail a particular user in this new directory. When I SSH as the user, the connection is immediately reset |
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| 15:31.18 | liable | stew: oh, hmm. i noticed he mentioned d-i, so i guess maybe a move for the libc6 udeb firstly maybe? your right, time will tell, could be interesting though :) |
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| 15:31.28 | designs703 | closed, not reset |
| 15:31.55 | ma3x | why 'dpkg-buildpackage; inside mplayer's root fails? when ./configure && make succeeds |
| 15:32.04 | stew | liable: i'm waiting for an explosion on some debian list first |
| 15:32.15 | abrotman | ma3x: did you look for an error? |
| 15:32.35 | liable | stew: aye, no doubt there will be some 'discussion' about it |
| 15:32.42 | ma3x | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/35398/ |
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| 15:32.50 | greycat | does "mplayer's root" mean "the place I extracted the deb-src" or "the place I extracted an upstream tarball"? |
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| 15:33.46 | ma3x | abrotman: and 2nd thing, how can i specify -j2 to dpkg-buildpackage? because there is no 'MAKEOPTS' in the Makefile of mplayer |
| 15:34.10 | ma3x | greycat: mplayer's root means the svn co directory |
| 15:34.16 | greycat | if you're looking at an actual Makfile, you should be in #mplayer, not #debian |
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| 15:34.33 | ma3x | they said 'type ./configure && make -j2' |
| 15:34.35 | greycat | ma3x: if you're not using a Debianized source, then you don't have the debian/ subdirectory that dpkg-buildpackage wants. |
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| 15:34.45 | ma3x | so i'm looking for an answer how to pass this -j2 to dpkg-buildpackage |
| 15:34.55 | ma3x | i am using a debianized source |
| 15:34.57 | ma3x | it has debian/ |
| 15:35.02 | SparFux | Does anybody experience problems with zaptel and asterisk in debian? |
| 15:35.18 | stew | SparFux: why do you ask? |
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| 15:35.44 | SparFux | stew: I have strange effects, like high pitched fast sound on sip phones and not working zap channel. That's why. |
| 15:35.52 | greycat | ma3x: *plonk* (I hate liars.) |
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| 15:36.14 | ma3x | greycat: i didn't lie to you? why you think so? |
| 15:36.15 | greycat | You said you're using svn, then you turned around and said you're using a Debianized source. |
| 15:36.17 | ma3x | i got the upstream ball |
| 15:36.35 | ma3x | greycat: well debianized as in (it contains debian/ and all that) |
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| 15:36.58 | greycat | apt-get source mplayer |
| 15:37.09 | abrotman | ma3x: why are you compiling mplayer to begin with? |
| 15:37.25 | datenritter | this is _cool_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-recover-status |
| 15:37.29 | ma3x | abrotman: because the packaged version comes with gmplayer skin blue, or some shit like that |
| 15:37.39 | ma3x | and i don't think it includes mencoder |
| 15:37.50 | abrotman | !tell ma3x about dmm |
| 15:38.23 | greycat | grep -v [A-Z] is not correct. |
| 15:38.39 | greycat | it should be grep -v '[[:upper:]]' or LC_ALL=C grep -v '[A-Z]' |
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| 15:39.03 | greycat | The quotes are required to avoid globbing if there's a single-letter filename. The locale stuff will break spectactularly if the locale isn't POSIX. |
| 15:39.27 | greycat | Since www.debian.org/doc/ isn't a wiki, I can't just fix it. |
| 15:39.54 | datenritter | greycat: maybe copy the hint to the wiki and correct it...? |
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| 15:41.00 | mooperd | Hi, can someone point me towards a nice guide for setting up SMTP server with IMAP and a decent spam solution. |
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| 15:41.23 | datenritter | hmm, i can't find any corruptions in my status file. weird. |
| 15:41.41 | module000 | mooperd: google "debian postfix imap" and take your pick |
| 15:41.43 | stew | ma3x: although the svn sources of mplayer are debianized, i'd not, in general, trust upstream to do a good job. you are better off using sources from debian-multimedia |
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| 15:43.05 | mooperd | module000: there are many ways to skin cats |
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| 15:43.35 | module000 | mooperd: and if you know them all, don't ask |
| 15:43.44 | designs703 | I really can't get chroot to work here. Some tutorials recommend cdebootstrap (prohibitively large, in terms of disk space) and others advise a very manual route. Using "makejail" from the Debian docs does not work; I get a series of Python errors with the recommended script in this package's examples dir |
| 15:43.53 | Nicklas` | moocow: you can use postfix-mysql, courier-imap, courier-mysql, spamassassin |
| 15:44.27 | Nicklas` | hum |
| 15:44.34 | Nicklas` | mooperd: you can use postfix-mysql, courier-imap, courier-mysql, spamassassin |
| 15:44.37 | Nicklas` | moocow: sorry |
| 15:44.41 | mooperd | but there is always some old guy who has been skinning cats for 40 years who barely has to exert any effort as he deftly takes the felines between his great hands. |
| 15:44.41 | designs703 | like I said earlier, I was able to set it up properly with the libpam script, but the SSH connection is immediately closed on login |
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| 15:45.59 | mooperd | What happened to exim? |
| 15:46.02 | ma3x | ok stew |
| 15:46.08 | greycat | Cat-skinning is not supported. |
| 15:46.12 | ma3x | can anyone describe the job as linux administrator? do you have a lot to do or you have more free time during work too, where you can chat, etc... |
| 15:46.16 | greycat | mooperd: it's called exim4 now |
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| 15:46.46 | mooperd | greycat :) |
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| 15:48.01 | mooperd | so I could use exim4 as MTA? Are there any advantages to storing email in mysql other than flat file? |
| 15:48.31 | greycat | no |
| 15:48.35 | abrotman | mooperd: how many users are we talking? how much email? |
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| 15:48.56 | petemc | exim doesnt support mail in a db |
| 15:48.57 | designs703 | There's pretty much nobody in #ssh or #openssh |
| 15:48.57 | Nicklas` | moocow: I'd rather to use mysql to store the account mails and use Maildir to store the content mails |
| 15:49.06 | module000 | mag_mor: that depends who you work for |
| 15:49.14 | greycat | unless "it's so complicated and fragile that I have a secure job maintaining it for the next 27 years" counts as an advantage |
| 15:49.25 | iwkse | i wonder why debian has exim by default instead of postfix |
| 15:49.29 | module000 | s/mag_mor/ma3x |
| 15:49.37 | mooperd | abrotman, 2 or three users, maybe 10000 or so messages per user per year |
| 15:49.40 | petemc | !why exim |
| 15:49.40 | dpkg | Exim was chosen as the default MTA a long time ago: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1997/06/msg00476.html |
| 15:49.43 | greycat | designs703: anyone in #openssh who sees a question about chrooting users is going to run very far away, very quickly. |
| 15:49.46 | iwkse | thx |
| 15:49.51 | abrotman | mooperd: unless you really want it in a DB .. i'd use postfix/exim and dovecot |
| 15:50.12 | greycat | Also, there are 30 of us in #openssh. |
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| 15:50.36 | Nicklas` | see you later |
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| 15:50.46 | mooperd | will not being in mysql work nice with web based email |
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| 15:51.00 | designs703 | greycat: what do you advise I do? I've read quite a few docs on this now |
| 15:51.07 | greycat | I advise not doing it. |
| 15:51.08 | petemc | mooperd: most webmail software uses imap |
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| 15:51.11 | iwkse | petemc: to me looks like a wrong link |
| 15:51.21 | greycat | And now I am running very far away and not answering anything more on that topic. Ever. |
| 15:51.23 | designs703 | greycat: Why is chroot a bad idea? |
| 15:51.30 | petemc | iwkse: no |
| 15:51.34 | mooperd | petemc: php-imap or so |
| 15:51.38 | petemc | what? |
| 15:51.54 | iwkse | petemc: it doesn't speak about exim and postfix |
| 15:52.04 | petemc | iwkse: it explains why exim was choses |
| 15:52.07 | petemc | s/es/en/ |
| 15:52.17 | greycat | It doesn't matter what MTA you use, if all you want is a webmail system. Use whatever one you like best. |
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| 15:52.41 | stew | designs703: what is your actual goal? |
| 15:53.30 | datenritter | wtf... aptidude depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 , but it's not available? (apt should provide that) |
| 15:53.43 | greycat | datenritter: it's a virtual package, provided by some version of apt |
| 15:53.44 | module000 | if you just DO a mail system...you ahve a better clue as to what to do in the future. experience is worth 1000 "reading docs" |
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| 15:53.53 | designs703 | greycat: well, I could also do this by setting permissions properly, but I'd like this user to SFTP into a particular directory. Background: A friend of mine, a web designer, wants to use my server as a host. No problem, I already host several of hist client sites. |
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| 15:54.16 | petemc | mooperd: one is not a replacement for the each, they compliment each other |
| 15:54.22 | petemc | module000: ^^^^ |
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| 15:54.25 | merilinica | how can I disable a certain user to be unable to change their pass? also how can I disable a certain user to be unable to run "nmap" ? |
| 15:54.26 | designs703 | greycat: Ideally, he'd be rooted into this directory |
| 15:54.38 | macafe | What is a good rootkit for debian? |
| 15:54.48 | abrotman | macafe: a good what? |
| 15:54.49 | liable | there is that ssh chroot thing |
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| 15:55.05 | macafe | abrotman: Easy to use and efficient |
| 15:55.14 | abrotman | macafe: to do what? |
| 15:55.15 | jpinx-eeepc | designs703: sftp only into their own directory is what I used to have |
| 15:55.27 | designs703 | jpinx-eeepc: ah, great. How do I do that? |
| 15:55.34 | macafe | abrotman: I have one server of have attack... I need check then |
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| 15:55.39 | jpinx-eeepc | will have to search back - |
| 15:55.50 | petemc | scponly? |
| 15:55.58 | abrotman | macafe: rkhunter and chkrootkit .. i think are the two main ones |
| 15:56.02 | jpinx-eeepc | designs703: I found it in google "sftp only" |
| 15:56.09 | macafe | abrotman: Thank's! |
| 15:56.17 | liable | petemc: thats the one i was thinking of, but my pea brain couldnt remember |
| 15:56.21 | designs703 | cool, thanks http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/94 |
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| 15:57.10 | jpinx-eeepc | designs703: worked a treat for me:) |
| 15:57.13 | datenritter | apt-build aptitude libapt-pkg-perl libept0 localization-config synaptic will be removed when i install (i.e. update) apt |
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| 15:57.41 | greycat | datenritter: you mean "downgrade", right? |
| 15:58.00 | jpinx-eeepc | designs703: but I found that users of some webdesign software could not connect |
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| 15:58.23 | datenritter | greycat: _UP_date |
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| 15:58.25 | designs703 | jpinx-eeepc: no problem, I'll make sure he's using a quality FTP client :) |
| 15:58.32 | datenritter | don't ask me what is wrong with the depends |
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| 15:58.35 | sinak | in oocalc during the pdf export i get 'sheet1' on top. how can i remove it? |
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| 15:59.05 | jpinx-eeepc | designs703: specifically dreamweaver wass a problem |
| 15:59.06 | greycat | designs703: sftp and FTP have nothing in common. |
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| 15:59.20 | themill | sinak: change the page style (Format->Page->Header) |
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| 15:59.44 | jpinx-eeepc | designs703: you will need to get him to upgrade to the latest dreamweaver or use a good sftp client |
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| 15:59.53 | mooperd | Okay, If I have installed exim and dovecot. Can users just login with their unix usernames and pic up their mail? |
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| 16:00.06 | jpinx-eeepc | designs703: note "sftp" client - not ftp |
| 16:00.08 | designs703 | jpinx-eeepc: thanks, I'll let him know that |
| 16:00.15 | designs703 | of course :) |
| 16:00.19 | datenritter | everything mentioned above depens on libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6, which is not available. *facepalm* |
| 16:00.40 | jpinx-eeepc | designs703: good luck with that - it's a really smart setup ;) |
| 16:00.48 | greycat | mooperd: try it and see. that's the default setup, so "probably". |
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| 16:03.02 | sinak | thanks themill |
| 16:03.07 | izzyb2 | I'm having problems with network-manager not auto starting on a debian lenny install. I can start it manually by running /etc/init.d/network-manager start manually as root but on a reboot, it doesn't auto start |
| 16:03.09 | designs703 | jpinx-eeepc: now, is there a way to only allow SFTP into the home dir? |
| 16:03.28 | merilinica | how can I disable a certain user to be unable to change their pass? also how can I disable a certain user to be unable to run "nmap" ? |
| 16:03.33 | izzyb2 | I've looked through the logs, but don't see anything that would explain the problem. any thoughts? |
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| 16:03.39 | greycat | izzyb2: make sure there's a symlink to it from /etc/rc2.d/S* or whatever runlevel you use |
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| 16:03.49 | izzyb2 | yeah, did that. its there |
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| 16:04.09 | jpinx-eeepc | designs703: some clever manipulation of users and group permissions |
| 16:04.16 | izzyb2 | It used to work and just stopped, butI don't know what I did to kill it :( |
| 16:04.22 | stew | designs703: look at the sftponly package, or perhaps the newer "ChrootDirectory" directive in man sshd_config |
| 16:04.24 | jpinx-eeepc | designs703: makea special group for just that |
| 16:04.35 | designs703 | ok, thanks |
| 16:04.38 | stew | designs703: err its scponly |
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| 16:04.53 | jpinx-eeepc | stew - I was about to say..... |
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| 16:05.14 | izzyb2 | I'm thinking its a conflict with something else starting, but I don't see any messages in dmesg output or in the logs. perhaps I'm just missing it |
| 16:05.30 | jpinx-eeepc | designs703: if you have space - can I rent some?:) |
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| 16:05.43 | greycat | izzyb2: if you're sure the script is running in the first place, you can put "exec 2>/tmp/nm.log; set -x" near the top of it to see what it does. |
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| 16:05.53 | designs703 | jpinx-eeepc: mayyybe. But I need to get some other things set up first |
| 16:06.37 | jpinx-eeepc | designs703: pm me |
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| 16:07.15 | designs703 | jpinx-eeepc: will do, thanks for your help |
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| 16:07.33 | jpinx-eeepc | designs703: np:) |
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| 16:07.45 | izzyb2 | greycat: what does that do? |
| 16:07.48 | datenritter | i don't get it. i really can't install synaptic nor aptitude anymore. |
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| 16:08.05 | greycat | izzyb2: turns on 'trace mode' in the shell, and writes the result to that file |
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| 16:08.25 | izzyb2 | and that's exec 2 |
| 16:08.31 | izzyb2 | has never seen that before |
| 16:08.33 | izzyb2 | tries |
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| 16:08.41 | greycat | 2> is a redirection of stderr |
| 16:09.02 | izzyb2 | oh, of course thats 2> |
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| 16:09.38 | izzyb2 | k, need to restart to test.... |
| 16:10.37 | mooperd | dpkg: dig |
| 16:10.38 | dpkg | it has been said that dig is part of dnsutils, or use host(1) (in the same package) for less detail, or (informally) ack == ok == right == your beneficent and gracious presence and contributions to this universe are hereby recognized by sundry and all. |
| 16:10.58 | abrotman | mooperd: you can msg the bot |
| 16:11.00 | mooperd | how do I msg?? |
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| 16:11.13 | abrotman | !tell mooperd about msg the bot |
| 16:11.17 | mooperd | :) |
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| 16:13.15 | mooperd | bloody hell, this hosting compant are exclent |
| 16:13.39 | jpinx-eeepc | I am ssh -X into a remote box. I am running iceweasel locally and separately, on the remote. Am I using the remote's resources (cpu and RAM) or the local box resources? |
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| 16:14.00 | greycat | The box you ssh-ed into is the one using *more* resources. |
| 16:14.13 | mooperd | jpinx-eeepc: remote, but the x session on your box uses some |
| 16:14.14 | greycat | The box you're ssh-ing from will still use some to display the windows. |
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| 16:14.42 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: ok - does vnc work differently? will it use more of the remote resources? |
| 16:15.47 | jpinx-eeepc | I also use rdesktop to an XP machine and it uses hardly any local resources - so I am looking for a similar solutions between debian boxes |
| 16:16.00 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: you're still running the web browser on the remote system either way |
| 16:16.39 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: ok - so vnc will give me no advantage in the direction I'm trying to go? |
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| 16:17.09 | jpinx-eeepc | that is to use minimum local resources |
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| 16:18.27 | izzyb2 | I have no idea what changed, but after adding that exec 2> line to the top of the network-manager script, it now works properly again |
| 16:18.58 | izzyb2 | I've rebooted twice now and it has worked both times. |
| 16:19.05 | izzyb2 | confused, but happy its working again :) |
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| 16:19.21 | izzyb2 | doesn't like things that break and fix themselves though :( |
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| 16:21.46 | mooperd | the mta does all the smtp then? |
| 16:21.58 | greycat | yes |
| 16:22.08 | greycat | mooperd: http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 16:23.07 | mooperd | By default, will exim4 open ports an be ready to receive mail from users of the system? |
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| 16:24.14 | greycat | It doesn't use ports to receive mail from local users. Local users inject mail using /usr/sbin/sendmail. |
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| 16:27.03 | ma3x | isn't postfix better and easier than exim? |
| 16:27.29 | ma3x | and what about 'sendmail'. didn't it have a lot of security holes? |
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| 16:27.51 | anddam | hello |
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| 16:30.12 | anddam | I need a hint: avahi-daemon fails to start and I'm not able to find anything in syslog, actually last syslog entry is a couple days old, so: 1) where can I see avahi-daemon log? I'm running it using invoke-rc.d and I'm on an up to date lenny 2) how can I check if my log system is correctly working? I remember touching something several months ago but can't really remember what and I never digged into the logging facility, is there some pac |
| 16:30.21 | stew | ma3x: note that /usr/sbin/sendmail doesn't mean one is using the sendmail mta, every mta provides a /usr/sbin/sendmail ; at one time the sendmail mta had some security holes, I don't know of any vulnerabilities discovered in the last few years though |
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| 16:33.08 | ma3x | stew: but what's considered as the best mta these days? postfix right? |
| 16:33.09 | cire | I want a process only to get spare-CPU power. That means, if system is under high load, it should get low cpu time, and if system is idle it should use more. How could I do that? |
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| 16:33.24 | stew | ma3x: whichever one you like better |
| 16:33.43 | ma3x | but debian still comes with exim? |
| 16:33.48 | ma3x | i just installed it yesterday |
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| 16:33.58 | izzyb2 | thanks for the help. got to run... |
| 16:33.59 | ma3x | maybe i don't have the latest cd, few months ago i burned it |
| 16:34.06 | greycat | cire: man nice |
| 16:34.16 | cire | thanks greycat |
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| 16:34.42 | stew | ma3x: yes, exim4 is the default mta in debian |
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| 16:35.14 | ma3x | most active helpers on #debian are helping from their office (where they work) right? |
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| 16:36.13 | ma3x | just trying to imagine the life of linux admins |
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| 16:36.45 | Labrador | so ehm, hi |
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| 17:59.42 | FFForever | i have to load php in as cgi how can i do that? |
| 17:59.43 | FFForever | (well for suexec i do no?) |
| 17:59.43 | kindyroot | hello, I am in a emergency, does anyone know how I can mount a second hard drive of which I don't know the filesystem type? |
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| 17:59.43 | stew | kindyroot: mount /dev/whatever /mountpoint |
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| 17:59.44 | abrotman | mount should try to figure it out if you don't specify -t |
| 17:59.44 | djole_nisam_ja | kindyroot: u have an auto option for that |
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| 17:59.44 | djole_nisam_ja | kindyroot: check google for exact explain |
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| 17:59.45 | greycat | FFForever: try #httpd or #php |
| 17:59.45 | kindyroot | -t auto? like that? |
| 17:59.45 | kindyroot | thank you |
| 17:59.45 | djole_nisam_ja | kindyroot: search for "mount filesystem" |
| 17:59.45 | kindyroot | but it said you must specify filesystem type |
| 17:59.45 | djole_nisam_ja | kindyroot: something like that, cant remember right now |
| 17:59.45 | abrotman | kindyroot: then -t auto can't figure it out .. which version of debian, and which filesystem is on that drive? |
| 17:59.45 | kindyroot | djole_nisam_ja: i know how to mount a filesystem, but not if I don't know the filesystem type :p |
| 17:59.46 | kindyroot | debian lenny |
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| 17:59.46 | abrotman | where did oyu get the drive from that you don't know the filesystem? |
| 17:59.46 | kindyroot | the disc comes from a digital satellite receiver |
| 17:59.46 | kindyroot | I got it from the satellite receiver |
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| 17:59.46 | FFForever | how can i supress these warnings?, perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 17:59.46 | jpinx-eeepc | I've installed sshfs and ls -al /dev/fuse shows root fuse, but fuse does not show up in getent passwd or id - so what have I done wrong? |
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| 17:59.47 | greycat | FFForever: if you got that from "sudo apt-get something", don't worry about them. |
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| 17:59.53 | jpinx-eeepc | sshfs remote:/file/system /local/point gives me an error of permission denied for /dev/fuse |
| 18:00.03 | FFForever | greycat, yeah i get them from apt-get and also a2dis* and a2en* |
| 18:00.54 | abrotman | kindyroot: fdisk -l /dev/<device> |
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| 18:02.13 | kindyroot | abrotman: thank you so much :) |
| 18:02.19 | djole_nisam_ja | kindyroot: just read on mount man page that unless its nfs, nfs4, cifs, smbfs, ncpfs there is no need for explicit defininig of filesysterm |
| 18:02.29 | greycat | FFForever: they should be harmless |
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| 18:04.55 | kindyroot | djole_nisam_ja: I am afraid goldvision would have used a weired filesystem on it ! |
| 18:05.11 | kindyroot | even fdisk says the disc doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 18:06.42 | djole_nisam_ja | kindyroot: do u have valueable info on it |
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| 18:09.06 | djole_nisam_ja | kindyroot: if u dont have any valueable data on it u could just format it via cfdisk or fdisk or gparted (prefer cfdisk and gparted) |
| 18:09.33 | kindyroot | djole_nisam_ja: sincerly my aunt has a lot of her videos on it, and she is a very lovable person .. |
| 18:10.14 | kindyroot | :s |
| 18:10.37 | djole_nisam_ja | kindyroot: well, do u know how to use cfdisk |
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| 18:10.44 | abrotman | kindyroot: which device did you pick with fdisk ? |
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| 18:11.19 | kindyroot | /dev/hdc |
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| 18:11.35 | kindyroot | I never used cfdisk but I can read manpages |
| 18:11.48 | kindyroot | but what can it do for me? |
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| 18:12.17 | greycat | it's just "curses fdisk" |
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| 18:12.56 | djole_nisam_ja | kindyroot: yeah, i know, but does cfdisk read your filesystem? |
| 18:12.56 | kindyroot | what does it mean? |
| 18:13.12 | greycat | "man cfdisk" should be clear enough |
| 18:13.22 | kindyroot | I try |
| 18:13.29 | greycat | "curses" is a library for interacting with terminals. |
| 18:13.32 | kindyroot | k one moment plz |
| 18:13.57 | djole_nisam_ja | kindyroot: will back in minutes |
| 18:15.37 | kindyroot | ok |
| 18:15.52 | kindyroot | cfdisk says the drive is just a bunch of free space xD |
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| 18:17.11 | sparta | can i open a mdb file in debian? |
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| 18:17.54 | gravity | sparta: apt-cache search mdb |
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| 18:20.39 | abrotman | if fdisk doesn't work, cfdisk won't do anything differently AFAIK |
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| 18:22.02 | beardy | I doubt it too. But using cfdisk there's a higher chance of not messing things up. |
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| 18:22.20 | beardy | Because of the interface. |
| 18:22.43 | negge | fdisk is relatively easy if you know exactly what you're about to do |
| 18:23.29 | beardy | Everything is. |
| 18:24.43 | enouf | prefers parted |
| 18:24.54 | djole_nisam_ja | kindyroot: its some fu***ng filesystem |
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| 18:25.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | noo, I think cfdisk is just a... "gui" for fdisk |
| 18:25.34 | kindyroot | djole_nissam_ja: I think so, they make their own (for some reason?) |
| 18:25.39 | anddam | where should I set $PS1 for screen sessions? |
| 18:25.53 | greycat | CutMeOwnThroat: it doesn't run fdisk behind the scenes. It's a re-implementation with a different look and feel. |
| 18:26.09 | djole_nisam_ja | kindyroot: really dont have any idea, if u could find some info over the net would be helpful |
| 18:26.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok |
| 18:26.14 | greycat | anddam: why do you want it to be different for screen vs non-screen bash shells? |
| 18:26.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, I got some doubts when writing it already :) |
| 18:26.30 | anddam | greycat: actually I don't want, that's the point |
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| 18:26.45 | kindyroot | djole_nisam_ja: it is awfullt undocumented, and nobody seems to be talking about this issue nowhere |
| 18:26.51 | anddam | but screen's PS1 is different |
| 18:26.55 | greycat | anddam: well, screen runs bash, which would read ~/.bashrc |
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| 18:27.12 | greycat | perhaps you forgot to "source ~/.bashrc" from .bash_profile and therefore you aren't getting all the .bashrc settings in your login shell |
| 18:27.14 | kindyroot | but I am now investigating another hypothesis! |
| 18:27.29 | kindyroot | the disk could have been corrupted ! |
| 18:27.37 | enouf | kindyroot: it just means there's no partition table |
| 18:27.38 | kindyroot | it maybe that |
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| 18:27.46 | enouf | kindyroot: try file -s /dev/hdb |
| 18:27.48 | anddam | greycat: is a ssh session considered login therefore loading .bash_profile? |
| 18:27.58 | enouf | ~# file -s /dev/hdb |
| 18:27.59 | enouf | /dev/hdb: ReiserFS V3.6 |
| 18:28.02 | greycat | anddam: if you type "ssh host", yes. if you type "ssh host somescript", no. |
| 18:28.15 | kindyroot | enouf: ok right now |
| 18:28.37 | enouf | kindyroot: i formatted that disk with reiserfs and am using it, it doesn't require a partition table to do so |
| 18:28.52 | mooperd | ok, Im doing something stoopid. I've 'apt-get install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5' but php files are not parsing and firefart is trying to download the, |
| 18:28.53 | mooperd | m |
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| 18:28.56 | greycat | I'm not fond of partition-table-less disks. |
| 18:28.58 | enouf | fdisk -l /dev/hdb Disk /dev/hdb doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 18:28.59 | anddam | greycat: the former, I log in ssh and the prompt is coloured, if I start "bash" from here new shell's prompt is still coloured, if I start screen it is not anymore |
| 18:29.21 | kindyroot | enouf: it says: /dev/hdc: data |
| 18:29.22 | kindyroot | lol |
| 18:29.25 | anddam | greycat: I set TERM to xterm-color in screen but this didn't change anything |
| 18:29.31 | greycat | anddam: well, screen also sets the TERM variable, and maybe your target system doesn't think "screen" is a color-capable terminal |
| 18:29.41 | greycat | anddam: #screen |
| 18:29.44 | enouf | kindyroot: well - there's binary data on it :-P ... |
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| 18:29.47 | meyou | so does anyone have any experience with Netware VM's being particularly resource hungry/taxing on the host? |
| 18:30.02 | kindyroot | enouf: :p |
| 18:30.27 | enouf | kindyroot: it's possible it was created as in windows using that fakeLVM they use, VolumeSomething crapola |
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| 18:30.51 | kindyroot | it wouldn't surprise me |
| 18:30.59 | enouf | kindyroot: use strings and a hexeditor to investigate further |
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| 18:31.06 | kindyroot | but the disc she said didn't work in windows |
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| 18:31.28 | kindyroot | enouf: no luck with video data! |
| 18:31.35 | enouf | well, was she the one that created/used/added data to it? |
| 18:31.38 | greycat | anddam: also, you can use echo "$PS1" to see what the actual value is. That will tell you whether it's actually been changed, or whether it's just not working. |
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| 18:32.24 | anddam | greycat: I already did, and I see it changed, I was only wondering what file I should have put the PS1 setting line into |
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| 18:32.40 | enouf | kindyroot: you could look into using rescue tools such like gddrescue (in debian repos) and testdisk's 'photorec' which tries to locate filetype headers/markers/magic |
| 18:32.55 | negge | anddam: if you've changed .bashrc or some other file you need to run "source .bashrc" to enable the settings |
| 18:32.59 | greycat | anddam: if something other than .bashrc is changing it, then it's not something I'm familiar with |
| 18:33.03 | enouf | kindyroot: but mess around with a copy you create using a ddrescue type tool |
| 18:33.04 | negge | at least that's the case if you add an alias |
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| 18:33.57 | riot | hmhmm. why are so many programs (e.g. virtualbox) set to look for updates themselves?! That annoys the heck out of me. Can't/Shouldn't we make it policy to deactivate such features in debian packages by default? |
| 18:34.00 | kindyroot | enouf: I don't internet on that box xD , i am travelling to the other room every now and then to try things |
| 18:34.10 | kindyroot | I am on mandriva here |
| 18:34.21 | enouf | kindyroot: it might be formatted using GPT, which many partitioning tools do not recognize ... or some Apple format? |
| 18:34.34 | kindyroot | GPT? |
| 18:34.36 | anddam | greycat: do you mean sourcing it by hand? |
| 18:34.49 | anddam | greycat: btw my bash_profile is already sourcing bashrc |
| 18:34.52 | greycat | anddam: that was negge's statement. |
| 18:34.53 | enouf | GUID Partition Table kindyroot |
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| 18:35.06 | greycat | anddam: ask #screen what's doing it, or look for a .screenrc or something |
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| 18:35.16 | kindyroot | enouf: ah but that is a standard |
| 18:35.18 | enouf | kindyroot: perhaps it was also once part of a proprietary RAID array |
| 18:35.20 | Caelum | abrotman: it was a broken symlink :( |
| 18:35.26 | kindyroot | everybody uses guid |
| 18:35.26 | abrotman | Caelum: doh! |
| 18:35.38 | anddam | greycat: screenrc is a config file rather than a runcontrol, I thought it was just bash script but it isn't the case |
| 18:35.40 | negge | riot: isn't there an option in Vbox that disables checking for updates? |
| 18:35.51 | greycat | I never said it was a script. |
| 18:35.53 | kindyroot | enouf: the disk? |
| 18:36.01 | enouf | yes |
| 18:36.03 | greycat | But it might tell screen to set environment variables that would override PS1. |
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| 18:36.15 | anddam | greycat: I never said you said |
| 18:36.16 | kindyroot | it comes from a digital satellite receiver xD |
| 18:36.25 | kindyroot | enouf |
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| 18:36.56 | anddam | greycat: I thought it was a script, it came out I was wrong, it's a conf file and I didn't found options for setting variables. Anyway I'm on #screen now, thanks |
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| 18:38.49 | zrin | i've updated lenny and installed gnome, now the default route is missing upon restart - i have "auto eth2", "iface eth2 inet static", ..., " gateway a.b.c.d"; this was ok for years... |
| 18:39.51 | negge | zrin: you mean it changes everytime you restart even if you manually edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 18:40.06 | zrin | is there any ultra-intelligent package that comes with gnome and that could mess up the default route? ... or what could cause that? |
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| 18:40.39 | negge | zrin: if network-manager is set to "handle" eth2 it could mess things up |
| 18:40.43 | anddam | greycat: I see the point is TERM is unset when I launch screen |
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| 18:41.04 | greycat | anddam: that's odd. |
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| 18:41.13 | zrin | negge: yes, I have manually edited /etc/network/interfaces for a long time ... where to check for "network manager?" |
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| 18:41.53 | negge | zrin: there's a textfile somewhere were you can specify which interfaces network-manager should manage but I can't find it right now (I'm using Ubuntu so it might be a bit different) |
| 18:41.53 | anddam | greycat: as we're talking can give me a hint about the logging facility? avahi-daemon is failing to start and I can't see any message in syslog nor messages in /var/log, I wonder if my logging system works, my last message is from .. oh well Aug 23rd |
| 18:42.07 | greycat | I know nothing about avahi. |
| 18:42.10 | anddam | (23th ?) |
| 18:42.11 | greycat | I don't even know what it is. |
| 18:42.17 | zrin | negge: I've installed gnome to use it in vnc virtual displays and on remote displays, no X on the machine itself... |
| 18:42.19 | anddam | greycat: mDNS daemon |
| 18:42.19 | abrotman | 23rd |
| 18:42.50 | anddam | the point is I launch it with invoke-rc.d, it fails to start and I get no log, should I reconfigure some package or so? |
| 18:42.59 | negge | zrin: if you want to you can remove network-manager completely, it is not needed if you're comfortable editing /etc/network/interfaces. WLAN and 3G connections is way easier to set up though if you keep it. |
| 18:43.10 | greycat | !mdns |
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| 18:43.19 | greycat | shrugs and goes back to sleep |
| 18:43.29 | zrin | negge: thnak you ... searching for teh "manager" |
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| 18:44.05 | monkey_d_luffy | (not really debian but...) how do I tar (or zip or rar) all the files matching an expression (eg, *.txt) recursively over a directory tree, while maintaing its structure? the idea will be then to extract then to those same places at a latter time |
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| 18:45.46 | enouf | anddam: avahi logs? eww.. why not just kill it? |
| 18:45.54 | negge | zrin: you can run "update-rc.d -f NetworkManager remove" as root to prevent it from starting |
| 18:46.15 | anddam | enouf: I can't as it fails to start |
| 18:46.38 | enouf | can't what? kill it? remove it |
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| 18:46.51 | negge | zrin: to remove it you remove the packages network-manager and network-manager-gnome |
| 18:46.56 | anddam | enouf: why? |
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| 18:47.08 | greycat | monkey_d_luffy: find . -name '*.txt' -print0 | cpio -0 -o | gzip > textfiles.cpio.gz |
| 18:47.15 | enouf | because it's useless, and causes issues for some? |
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| 18:48.09 | negge | if you guys are talking about avahi-daemon, you're probably better of removing it, it has 'caused nothing but trouble for me |
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| 18:48.55 | enouf | greycat: avahi-{daemon} is the new and improved 'zeroconf' crap from apple ... replacing also apple's bonjour - ya know those annoying IPs of 169.255.x.x that seem to have hijacked an iface at times? that's it |
| 18:49.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | eww, cpio |
| 18:49.37 | negge | greycat: beware though that if you remove avahi-daemon, you can't route audio to another audio server with pulseaudio (don't ask me why) |
| 18:49.40 | anddam | enouf: but I want it to run, the point is I can't have any kind of log, this is specifically annoying as a daemon isn't starting |
| 18:49.41 | greycat | I'm not aware of any of the things you just mentioned, enouf. I think I'm better off that way. |
| 18:50.01 | enouf | negge: how foolish .. not even with mpd? |
| 18:50.25 | negge | enouf: didn't try that |
| 18:50.29 | enouf | anddam: why not? and stop with invoke-rc.d, and use the init script |
| 18:50.38 | negge | enouf: you can't start padevchooser at all if avahi-daemon isn't running |
| 18:51.17 | enouf | haha @ /etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-daemon |
| 18:51.20 | negge | same shit on my Ubuntu desktop, I get a popup at every boot saying "avahi-daemon has found a .local domain on your network and cannot start". And I don't even have a domain let alone one that ends with .local |
| 18:51.24 | greycat | negge: Just the other week I finally got around to writing my script to give xmms2 a sane command-line front-end... I don't think I'm up for Yet Another Ripping Out Of Things That Sorta Work just yet. |
| 18:51.46 | anddam | enouf: isn't invoke-rc.d the standard interface for init script? |
| 18:51.55 | negge | greycat: so what are you after? |
| 18:51.58 | greycat | anddam: nobody actually used that. |
| 18:52.00 | enouf | negge: check in /etc/hosts for .localhost.localdomain |
| 18:52.01 | greycat | negge: nothing. I'm just here. |
| 18:52.22 | negge | greycat: alright then:D |
| 18:52.26 | enouf | anddam: no, it's specific to runlevel as well - /msg dpkg rcconf and use that |
| 18:52.37 | anddam | I will |
| 18:52.37 | enouf | and strace your commands, or set -x in the script |
| 18:53.03 | anddam | is there a dpkg topic for syslog? |
| 18:53.21 | negge | enouf: I have this on one line "127.0.1.1 server.neggelandia.dyndns.org server". that's not a .local domain right? |
| 18:53.26 | enouf | anddam: and .. i think Lenny and better are now using rsyslog |
| 18:53.29 | enouf | !rsyslog |
| 18:53.30 | dpkg | rsyslog is, like, an enhanced <syslog> daemon. With stock logging rules, it can be used as a drop-in sysklogd replacement. rsyslog is the default kernel/system log daemon in Lenny, but is not installed when upgrading from Etch (ref. section 2.2 of the <lenny release notes>). http://www.rsyslog.com/ |
| 18:53.43 | enouf | see /etc/default/* as well |
| 18:53.44 | nkuttler | anddam: /msg dpkg listvals syslog |
| 18:54.06 | monkey_d_luffy | thanks greycat but how do I extract them latter, while preserving the path? I tried this but it didn't work: gunzip textfiles.cpio.gz && cpio -i textfiles.cpio < textfiles.cpio |
| 18:54.10 | anddam | thanks |
| 18:54.36 | greycat | monkey_d_luffy: gzip -dc foo.cpio.gz | cpio -ivd |
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| 18:55.32 | negge | enouf: /etc/default/avahi-daemon has an option that disables checking for .local domains, don't know if I tried changing that or not when I fiddled with pulseaudio sound rerouting... |
| 18:55.39 | enouf | negge: well .. i'm no networker .. but .. sure seems like you've bound your 127.0.0.1 to a dyndns server |
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| 18:56.01 | monkey_d_luffy | thanks again greycat! :) |
| 18:56.04 | negge | enouf: it's 127.0.1.1, 127.0.0.1 is localhost ofcourse |
| 18:56.06 | enouf | er .. is that a typo? .1.1 ? |
| 18:56.13 | enouf | ok |
| 18:56.27 | negge | enouf: I haven't fiddled with that file ever, that line came after I chose "server" as hostname and "neggelandia.dyndns.org" as domain name back in the days when I installed the system |
| 18:56.34 | negge | enouf: nope, it's 127.0.1.1 |
| 18:56.42 | negge | don't know what the hell it is though... |
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| 18:57.11 | enouf | well .. this (your issue) might not be ubuntu specific, but how the heck would i know ;-) |
| 18:57.17 | enouf | and it's offtopic here :-P |
| 18:57.21 | negge | enouf: this is on Debian |
| 18:57.32 | negge | but FYI it's the same on Ubuntu |
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| 18:57.34 | enouf | oh - well, try ##networking |
| 18:57.42 | negge | I have no problem at the moment |
| 18:58.14 | negge | I thought someone else was having problems with avahi-daemon so I thought I'd add a few words to the discussion.... |
| 18:58.36 | enouf | dyndns is often used when your ISP doles out Dynamic IPs and you want to always have that IP updated for people accessing your server from the outside |
| 18:59.11 | negge | enouf: that's exactly why I use it. My modem automatically updates their database when I get a new IP |
| 18:59.21 | enouf | righto |
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| 19:00.04 | ersoy | [100774.063894] ieee1394: SelfIDs failed root check |
| 19:00.04 | ersoy | [100774.063894] ieee1394: Error in SelfID stage, resetting |
| 19:00.18 | rastafreund | does lenny support xfs? and if it does, how can i format a hdd xfs? |
| 19:00.18 | ersoy | i cant connect my camera, hoe can i do? |
| 19:00.27 | rastafreund | cfdisk will not do it |
| 19:00.53 | negge | rastafreund: you need to install the xfsprogs package |
| 19:01.12 | rastafreund | i have |
| 19:01.15 | rastafreund | and now? |
| 19:01.22 | rastafreund | xfsprogs command not found |
| 19:01.26 | rastafreund | howto use |
| 19:01.32 | negge | rastafreund: try again with cfdisk |
| 19:01.50 | rastafreund | is there a special name for xfs? |
| 19:01.54 | rastafreund | cannot find it |
| 19:01.57 | negge | or use Gparted, at least I'm sure it would work there |
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| 19:02.02 | rastafreund | k |
| 19:02.03 | enouf | negge: ok last thought - # find /etc -name '*avahi*' might help you find conffiles, and see /usr/share/doc/avahi* and there was an issue with /usr/share/doc/libnss-mdns (read those files) at one point .. |
| 19:02.04 | greycat | rastafreund: apt-get install xfsprogrs; mkfs.xfs /dev/whatever |
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| 19:03.26 | rastafreund | i need gnome to use gparted... |
| 19:03.34 | rastafreund | just removed it |
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| 19:03.45 | rastafreund | whatever, i wanna create a samba share |
| 19:03.50 | rastafreund | whats the best filesystem? |
| 19:03.59 | rastafreund | performance |
| 19:04.00 | gusto | XFS |
| 19:04.05 | rastafreund | ^^ |
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| 19:04.21 | cahoot | so there *is* an answer |
| 19:04.27 | negge | rastafreund: If you don't have a GUI you can always use parted. Or fdisk + mkfs.xfs |
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| 19:05.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought the mkfs.something also changed the type in the partition table |
| 19:05.18 | enouf | rastafreund: there's also a ~100MB gparted live CD ... then there's also GNU parted :-P |
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| 19:05.23 | anddam | greycat: btw it was bashrc issue, ~/.bashrc sets PS1 accordingly to TERM |
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| 19:05.50 | negge | CutMeOwnThroat: I have limited experience with this, but back when I set up LVM on my server I first used fdisk to set the partition type to LVM, then used mkfs.ext3 to format the partition. |
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| 19:06.04 | negge | which means mkfs doesn't mess with the partition table |
| 19:06.08 | greycat | anddam: ok |
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| 19:06.30 | rastafreund | i think parted will do it |
| 19:06.33 | greycat | negge: so long as you don't accidentally mkfs /dev/hdc instead of /dev/hdc1 |
| 19:06.41 | enouf | negge: yeah, but many tools such as gnome-parted will also run mkfs |
| 19:06.43 | negge | greycat: oh yeah |
| 19:06.47 | AGfppp | Hi alle |
| 19:06.55 | negge | enouf: indeed |
| 19:07.45 | rastafreund | ufs |
| 19:07.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | negge, well, lvm... but when I used mkreiserfs, I didn't have to change the partition table to reiserfs |
| 19:08.35 | negge | I barely know what a partition table is myself... |
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| 19:09.15 | enouf | negge: greycat recall my /deb/hdb from earlier "Does not have a valid partition table" and i also showed how file -s /dev/hdb shows ReiserFS 3.6? well the 1st 512 bytes of the disk are still all zeros (from me originally running /dev/zero prior to mkreiserfs /dev/hdb) |
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| 19:10.04 | greycat | enouf: if your file system is clever enough to leave a gap at the start just in case you use a full-disk device instead of a slice-device, then that's great |
| 19:10.04 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i've had a reiserfs partition for months that always would say it was vfat when viewing it in fdisk/cfdisk :-P |
| 19:10.21 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: file and blkid would read it correctly though :-) |
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| 19:10.38 | enouf | greycat: aye |
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| 19:11.43 | negge | could someone tell me if it's possible to "convert" an ext3 filesystem to ext4 without losing/moving/copying any data? |
| 19:11.43 | enouf | the 1st written area is at; 0010000: f09d 3a00 d129 1300 7220 0300 1200 0000 ..:..)..r ...... |
| 19:12.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, I guess it depends on whatever is behind mkfs.XXX... mkfs.XXX is just a wrapper |
| 19:12.14 | enouf | then offset some 48bytes from that; 0010030: 0200 0200 5265 4973 4572 3246 7300 0000 ....ReIsEr2Fs... |
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| 19:13.45 | enouf | then the partition LABEL is some 48bytes further |
| 19:14.17 | enouf | negge: i think not .. not sure though .. erm .. |
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| 19:15.37 | gOLDfeesh | hey, I'm trying to add my user to the "sudoers" list.. but it's not working. can someone help point me in that direction please? |
| 19:15.58 | Eulex | gOLDfeesh, what exact line are you adding? |
| 19:16.26 | gOLDfeesh | well.. I type su - to switch to root then visudo |
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| 19:16.31 | teratoma | I have a Dell linux box with 4 cores. Is a normal load 4 ? or is a normal load 1 ? |
| 19:16.45 | nkuttler | gOLDfeesh: man sudo or sudoers or something should help |
| 19:17.02 | greycat | teratoma: a normal load is 0 |
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| 19:17.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | "or something"? |
| 19:18.16 | teratoma | gOLDfeesh: stick the file /etc/sudoers in a pastebin |
| 19:19.04 | nkuttler | gOLDfeesh: man sudo will tell you more |
| 19:19.13 | enouf | !sudoers |
| 19:19.13 | dpkg | it has been said that sudoers is You can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for sudo by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). see also <visudo> For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo' |
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| 19:23.13 | enouf | looks like a typo for 'btw' |
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| 19:23.24 | enouf | which == By The Way; |
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| 19:25.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | by high way :-P |
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| 19:34.18 | doubleclick | hi |
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| 19:34.49 | belive | can anyone please tell me how can i restrict an user to his home dir (like not leaving it ) ? |
| 19:35.01 | greycat | *shudder* |
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| 19:35.25 | doubleclick | i got this http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/371432/sau.txt output for "aptitude update; aptitude upgrade" |
| 19:35.46 | doubleclick | it doesn't look nice to me.. :) |
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| 19:36.08 | doubleclick | ideas anyone? |
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| 19:36.52 | mralex | anyone there ? |
| 19:36.56 | simonrvn | !any ideas |
| 19:36.57 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little WD-40, and 42 rabid oxen. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 19:38.00 | gamla_kossan | hi people. I just got a pretty starnge problem - I did a bad reboot (I locked myself out of the box..), and then when I tried to start bind9, it failed. |
| 19:38.07 | greycat | either doubleclick chose the world's most lagged pastebin, or my workplace is blocking it |
| 19:38.08 | gamla_kossan | /var/log/messages gave me this: |
| 19:38.14 | gamla_kossan | P *:5353 |
| 19:38.18 | gamla_kossan | wait |
| 19:38.20 | gamla_kossan | that's wrong |
| 19:38.37 | gamla_kossan | May 6 21:38:26 spacelab kernel: [ 570.662628] type=1503 audit(1241638706.288:13): operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="::r" denied_mask="::r" fsuid=115 name="/proc/6085/net/if_inet6" pid=6086 profile="/usr/sbin/named" |
| 19:38.41 | gamla_kossan | there we go |
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| 19:38.48 | gamla_kossan | anyone have a clue what this means? |
| 19:39.03 | gamla_kossan | it's actually an ubuntu box, but I'd rather ask in here :) |
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| 19:39.33 | greycat | I'm guessing it means "the administrator turned on some sort of logging" |
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| 19:39.57 | gamla_kossan | greycat: ...huh? |
| 19:39.59 | doubleclick | greycat: you mean this? - http://pastebin.com/m5e2c54f8 |
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| 19:40.15 | beliveyourdream | can anyone please tell me how can i restrict an user to it's home dir ? |
| 19:40.19 | beliveyourdream | like not leaving it ? |
| 19:40.22 | simonrvn | greycat: likely the latter |
| 19:40.56 | doubleclick | greycat: and it's "aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade" sorry... debian squeeze btw |
| 19:40.59 | simonrvn | gamla_kossan: go ask in #ubuntu |
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| 19:41.16 | greycat | doubleclick: looks like "wait a day or two and try again" to me. |
| 19:41.22 | simonrvn | those msgs are from apparmor... |
| 19:41.57 | greycat | doubleclick: squeeze, being testing, may have weird broken dependencies from time to time, if something gets only partially pulled from unstable |
| 19:42.01 | simonrvn | beliveyourdream/belive: no |
| 19:42.05 | callas | sup |
| 19:42.28 | beliveyourdream | simonrvn .... why ? |
| 19:42.32 | simonrvn | beliveyourdream/belive: more trouble than it's worth. if you don't trust someone to give them a shell, don't do it. |
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| 19:42.52 | doubleclick | greycat: yes yes, i tought so... i guess that's what i signed for when i chose testing ;) |
| 19:42.54 | beliveyourdream | i understand |
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| 19:43.42 | doubleclick | and greycat, thank you for your time |
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| 19:48.37 | Mr-R | greycat: thanks |
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| 19:50.42 | picoo | Hi. I'm having a Intel P4-server and I would like to virtualize some servers. What virtualize server are you recommending? openvz? xen? |
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| 19:51.01 | picoo | The guest os will be linux dist and windows 2003 |
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| 19:54.22 | sys6x | hai, I get this message each time someone hits www.chaapaai.ca/pics and the page is empty...what can I do? : [Wed May 06 14:39:32 2009] [notice] child pid 8086 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
| 19:54.37 | sys6x | I think it happens since I went from Etch to Lenny |
| 19:55.05 | sys6x | it's supposed to be a photo gallery managed by plogger |
| 19:55.07 | module000 | sys6x: get it from anything else with an empty page? |
| 19:55.43 | rto | sys6x: Since you are getting a segfault i would start by checking that all your apache modules have been upgraded. |
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| 19:55.59 | simonrvn | sys6x: put pgsql before curl |
| 19:56.46 | sys6x | hmm whats the proper way to check what are my apache modules and I guess I upgrade them thru apt-get.. |
| 19:57.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | picoo, /msg dpkg virtualization for a full list of choices |
| 19:57.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and further pointers) |
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| 19:58.28 | rto | sys6x: Do you only use the stock modules shipped with Debian? |
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| 19:58.56 | sys6x | rto: yes with php4-mysql and php5-mysql |
| 19:59.09 | sys6x | simonrvn: what if I have mysql and not pgsql? |
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| 20:00.21 | rto | sys6x: are you sure that you are allowed to run both php4 and php5 in the same apache. |
| 20:00.30 | enouf | sys6x: done a fsck lately? |
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| 20:00.49 | enouf | !sig11 |
| 20:00.50 | dpkg | sig11 is, like, Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
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| 20:01.24 | afloofloo | how can I make an ordiary user mount a usb drive? i tried /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 auto user,noauto 0 0 in /etc/fstab.. that allows user to mount and umount, but directory permissions get set to dr-x------ root:root so the user can not read the files.. any hints? |
| 20:01.41 | module000 | sig11 is the downfall of my first brave attempt to "int *foo; foo = 0xdeadbeef; *foo = 40;", i was very disapointed. |
| 20:01.55 | sys6x | enouf: no, tis been a while this box is running...~110 days uptime |
| 20:01.59 | rto | sys6x: since plogger is a php app that could be the culprit. You could put up a simple index.php file containing <? phpinfo(); ?> to see if php is the problem. |
| 20:02.13 | sys6x | k |
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| 20:03.07 | Iradieh | Does anyone know how to on a headless server, stop X/GDM from starting? I am just using NX for Gnome, don't want the machine to locally start and show GDM-login view at boot |
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| 20:03.40 | module000 | Iradieh: change the default runlevel to somethign other than X? |
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| 20:03.48 | Zenox | Samba3 with filenames in UTF-8 gives me weird characters in Win Vista (have tried changing unix- and display charset from ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8 in smb.conf without any luck). Anyone knows how to fix it? |
| 20:03.51 | enouf | afloofloo: which FStype is sda1 |
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| 20:04.16 | avtobiff | Iradieh, remove gdm from /etc/rcX.d with update-rc.d |
| 20:04.16 | afloofloo | on this drive, ntfs |
| 20:04.26 | sys6x | rto: http://www.chaapaai.ca/test.php |
| 20:04.37 | enouf | afloofloo: so read about how ntfs-3g and fuse work |
| 20:04.39 | greycat | !tell Iradieh about nodm |
| 20:04.52 | enouf | and note; ntfs has no concept of nix permissions afloofloo |
| 20:04.58 | anddam | now I'm running rsyslog, I see a lot of lines like these http://paste.lisp.org/display/79788 |
| 20:05.04 | afloofloo | thanks |
| 20:05.06 | anddam | I replaced MAC addresses |
| 20:05.08 | sys6x | enouf: is it safe to fsck without unmounting any fs? |
| 20:05.10 | rto | sys6x: Ok, i guess php is off the hook. |
| 20:05.22 | anddam | what are those coming from? can I inhibit them? |
| 20:05.29 | enouf | afloofloo: make sure the user is in the 'fuse'{r} group .. logout/login for results to take affect |
| 20:05.34 | enouf | sys6x: no |
| 20:05.37 | anddam | s/what/where/ |
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| 20:06.14 | sys6x | enouf: I thought we could fsck in ro without problems? |
| 20:06.28 | enouf | sys6x: right .. but what about / FS? |
| 20:06.39 | enouf | that's the one that needs to be fsck'd first |
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| 20:07.07 | greycat | to fsck root, touch /forefsck and then reboot |
| 20:07.14 | greycat | bah, /forcefsck |
| 20:07.25 | sys6x | k, I thought I could check anything in ro without problems, that is was the writing that wasnt |
| 20:07.28 | enouf | and if you're going to take the box down so low, so you can remount / ro, you might as well 'touch forcefsck' and reboot normally |
| 20:07.35 | enouf | once your fstab is apropos |
| 20:07.41 | greycat | sys6x: remounting a live root file system read-only is generally impossible |
| 20:07.47 | sys6x | k |
| 20:07.55 | enouf | oops, touch /forcefsck |
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| 20:08.25 | sys6x | k done, gotta reboot tonite |
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| 20:08.35 | rto | sys6x: Do you have any rewrite stuff in your apache conf, i have succeeded in crashing apache using some strange rewrite rules |
| 20:08.49 | sys6x | rto: lemme check |
| 20:09.04 | Iradieh | greycat: dude |
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| 20:09.16 | Iradieh | I still WANT gui and GDM |
| 20:09.19 | Iradieh | I kjust dont want it to run |
| 20:09.23 | enouf | heh |
| 20:09.31 | Iradieh | I mean I use NX to connect and that require gnome and GDM |
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| 20:09.44 | enouf | you could alter /etc/inittab .. but i'll get yelled at :-P |
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| 20:10.43 | Iradieh | When I boot the computer I don't want any gui stuff running on it locally and showing it on the screen. However when I connect with NX from my Mac I want it to show Gnome on the mac as well, but still headless on the local computer |
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| 20:11.01 | pulse00 | hi all. i'm running debian 4.0 on a virtual server with postfix. For some reason, there are no mail logs in /var/log. anyone knows if i have to create them manually ? |
| 20:11.08 | anddam | Iradieh: what's NX? |
| 20:11.14 | pulse00 | ups.... |
| 20:11.27 | enouf | you could even alter /etc/inittab .. and change it to 3 or 4 or 5 and customize one of those, then use 'telinit 2' when you're ready to come out of your phony 1 |
| 20:11.27 | Iradieh | anddam: google |
| 20:11.37 | anddam | Iradieh: so could you, then |
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| 20:12.13 | sys6x | rto: no rewrite rules |
| 20:12.16 | anddam | Iradieh: anyway you can just run a ssh -Y gnome-session from mac keeping the debian box headless, actually that's exactly what I do |
| 20:12.29 | Iradieh | huh? |
| 20:12.37 | Iradieh | no |
| 20:12.37 | Iradieh | jeez |
| 20:12.46 | Iradieh | Look, I dont want the server to run GDM at boot |
| 20:12.46 | Iradieh | thats all |
| 20:12.50 | enouf | ajavid: ? |
| 20:12.53 | nkuttler | !tell Iradieh about nodm |
| 20:13.13 | Iradieh | nkuttler: I got that from greycat too |
| 20:13.15 | Iradieh | I dont understand it |
| 20:13.23 | rto | sys6x: Hmm, i am running out of guesses here, if you can get apache started inside an gdm session you might be able to get some clues with a backtrace from the segfault point. |
| 20:13.24 | nkuttler | Iradieh: read what the bot tells you |
| 20:13.24 | pulse00 | anyone a hint what could be the reason that i have no mail log files written by postfix ? /etc/syslog seems to be setup fine |
| 20:13.33 | Iradieh | nkuttler: I did |
| 20:13.36 | Iradieh | I STILL want GDM installed |
| 20:13.40 | Iradieh | I just dont want it to run at boot |
| 20:13.44 | nkuttler | Iradieh: then tell us which part of it you don't understand |
| 20:13.45 | module000 | Iradieh: then either (a)..r.emove GDM from the runlevel startup scripts...or (b) change your runlevel to one that doesnt' include it |
| 20:13.45 | greycat | Iradieh: pick one of them and do it. |
| 20:13.52 | module000 | pick (a) or (b) and go whistle. |
| 20:14.00 | greycat | there are like 4 different answers in that factoid |
| 20:14.12 | Iradieh | how do I remove it form the runlevel startup scritps and doesnt NX require that?! |
| 20:14.15 | sys6x | whistles without picking any |
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| 20:14.37 | seer49 | time |
| 20:14.39 | nkuttler | Iradieh: re-read the bot's message |
| 20:14.42 | Iradieh | eh |
| 20:14.55 | Iradieh | nevermind -_- |
| 20:14.57 | rto | sys6x: s/gdm/gdb/ the GNU debugger, that is |
| 20:15.14 | Bird|ghosted | ok. why does update manager keep wanting me to do 'aptitude update'/ |
| 20:15.16 | Bird|ghosted | *? |
| 20:15.26 | enouf | sys6x: might valgrind help? since it is segfaulting :-) |
| 20:15.41 | sys6x | I don't know these tools |
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| 20:16.06 | phogg | Bird|ghosted: is there a problem with that? |
| 20:16.09 | nkuttler | Bird|ghosted: because it's necessary? |
| 20:16.19 | sys6x | just like that...how can I know the required php version of scripts? |
| 20:16.23 | enouf | Bird|ghosted: check for bug reports ; follow up on any there ; file a new one if needed .. or uninstall it |
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| 20:16.28 | sys6x | I should double-check just to be sure.. |
| 20:16.30 | rto | You need to start the apache process the same way as it is done in the /etc/init.d/apache2 script, but with gdb prepended to the command. |
| 20:16.50 | sys6x | ok, do I need to stop the real apache? |
| 20:16.54 | Iradieh | nkuttler: by trying to remove GDM it also wanted to remove GNome |
| 20:17.05 | nkuttler | Iradieh: re-read the bot's message |
| 20:17.10 | rto | Then you are in the debugging prompt and write "r" to run apache, then when it segfault you write "bt" and you should get a more or less nice backtrace. |
| 20:17.11 | Iradieh | Does anyone know how to stop a machine to do "startx" at boot, thats ALL I am asking |
| 20:17.12 | enouf | you might need/want some certain -dbg pkgs |
| 20:17.14 | Iradieh | nkuttler: I DID |
| 20:17.18 | Iradieh | nkuttler: I did try to remove the gdm as stated |
| 20:17.24 | Iradieh | and IT also wanted to remove the rest of gnome with it |
| 20:17.25 | rto | sys6x: Yes, stop the real apache first. |
| 20:17.32 | nkuttler | Iradieh: read the whole of it |
| 20:17.35 | Iradieh | nevermind |
| 20:17.39 | Iradieh | fck.. |
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| 20:17.43 | nkuttler | !be a reading barbie |
| 20:17.43 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, nkuttler |
| 20:17.54 | greycat | !be a shopping barbie |
| 20:17.54 | dpkg | Aww, shopping is HARD! Let's go shopping, greycat |
| 20:18.01 | greycat | Hmph. |
| 20:18.01 | nkuttler | heh |
| 20:18.23 | sys6x | duh...wondered why there was 600mb of updated just for installing this |
| 20:18.29 | sys6x | updates* |
| 20:18.33 | enouf | Iradieh: you might like something like /msg dpkg rcconf to stop runlevel2 apps from starting automatically |
| 20:18.55 | Iradieh | but what if I need to connect from NX |
| 20:18.58 | Iradieh | Then it might not start it |
| 20:19.03 | greycat | we still don't know what the hell NX is |
| 20:19.09 | enouf | nobody cares about NX |
| 20:19.15 | \amethyst | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_technology |
| 20:19.17 | enouf | use nomachine anyways :-P |
| 20:19.23 | \amethyst | it's an X protocol proxy |
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| 20:19.50 | nkuttler | Iradieh: you're not going to run gnome remotely anyway, just gnome apps... |
| 20:19.55 | enouf | xdmcp esta no bueno? |
| 20:19.58 | greycat | does it turn his computer into a dumb X terminal? |
| 20:19.59 | nkuttler | Iradieh: use vnc for a whole session |
| 20:19.59 | Iradieh | nkuttler: no.. entire gnome |
| 20:20.01 | Iradieh | no |
| 20:20.03 | Iradieh | NX is better then VNC |
| 20:20.16 | Iradieh | and alot faster and Yes I use entire gnome sessions and not single apps |
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| 20:20.34 | lolufail1 | hi there! |
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| 20:20.49 | nkuttler | Iradieh: so just ssh into the box and start gdm when you need it |
| 20:21.00 | nkuttler | or whatever... |
| 20:21.02 | Iradieh | vnc is retarded to use unless you want the same X-session that is running |
| 20:21.03 | Iradieh | even windows has support for NX |
| 20:21.06 | Iradieh | nkuttler: eh |
| 20:21.10 | Iradieh | nevermind |
| 20:21.18 | nkuttler | Iradieh: try #nx or whatever their support channel is |
| 20:21.20 | lolufail1 | though this is more a kvm question: my Intel VT will be enabled tomorror (hoster -.-), can I still set up the KVM? I.e. will libvirt use qemu or something, or will it just fail? |
| 20:21.20 | Iradieh | got the solution from the Debian people in words I could actually understand and what it was doing |
| 20:21.21 | \amethyst | you can start gdm with --no-console if you want only XDMCP |
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| 20:21.42 | Iradieh | reboot to try it out |
| 20:22.20 | rto | sys6x: It looks like it is a bit hard to get apache running through gdb by starting with /etc/init.d/apache2, but the apache guys have an easier way: http://httpd.apache.org/dev/debugging.html |
| 20:22.25 | greycat | I still don't understand the concept of having a computer boot only some of its services, some of the time. |
| 20:22.41 | sys6x | rto: thanks, was trying to do that.. ;) |
| 20:22.49 | beardy | Me neither. |
| 20:23.04 | Bird|ghosted | heh |
| 20:23.07 | Bird|ghosted | makes sense over here |
| 20:23.23 | nkuttler | you could add randomness to init scripts... just for fun |
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| 20:23.30 | beardy | Then you haven't gotten one of the basic ideas in Debian. |
| 20:23.42 | greycat | Is the swap space used by an idle gdm so precious that you reboot whole machines to avoid using it? If so, why not just stop it? |
| 20:24.02 | beardy | Install what you need, purge it if you don't want it. |
| 20:24.25 | Bird|ghosted | well, what if your machine has different needs depending on some variable? |
| 20:24.27 | Bird|ghosted | :) |
| 20:24.32 | greycat | phase of the moon? |
| 20:24.46 | nkuttler | Bird|ghosted: that has nothing to do with boot time. if you need something, start it manually |
| 20:25.03 | minerale | how can I configure nfs (/etc/exports) to share a directory to exactly two ip addresses? /export/hproject 10.23.42.{22,83}(rw,sync) without giving access to that entire subnet |
| 20:25.05 | Bird|ghosted | nkuttler, exactly :) |
| 20:25.13 | beardy | If you don't want X all the time, have no ?dm. |
| 20:25.20 | greycat | minerale: separate the two addresses and their flags with a space. |
| 20:25.33 | greycat | minerale: 10.23.42.22(rw,sync) 10.23.42.83(rw,sync) |
| 20:25.50 | Bird|ghosted | yeah. |
| 20:25.53 | beardy | I didn't read the original question here, but that's.. how it is. |
| 20:26.00 | lolufail1 | anybody? |
| 20:26.07 | Bird|ghosted | btw, beardy, I am on Debian now |
| 20:26.09 | Bird|ghosted | ;D |
| 20:26.19 | greycat | beardy: if I'm reading it correctly, he has something that's "kinda like" an X terminal, so he needs an XDMCP providing program. |
| 20:26.36 | nkuttler | lolufail1: what's a vt? |
| 20:26.36 | greycat | beardy: but for... some... undisclosed reason... he doesn't want it to start up automatically at boot time. |
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| 20:26.48 | greycat | beardy: also, he was given the !nodm factoid twice but didn't understand it. |
| 20:27.03 | beardy | greycat: Right. |
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| 20:27.30 | minerale | greycat: thanks for the help. |
| 20:27.35 | beardy | !vt |
| 20:27.35 | dpkg | when someone says VTs to you, they usually mean Virtual Terminals, like console |
| 20:27.36 | \amethyst | minerale: or /export/hproject -rw,sync 10.23.42.22 10.23.42.83 if the flags are the same for both host (the '-' is part of the syntax for the default options; it doesn't mean 'turn off rw') |
| 20:27.39 | sys6x | rto: hmm, it doesnt recognize the httpd part...is it different on debian? |
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| 20:27.58 | rto | sys6x: Yep, it is called /usr/sbin/apache2 i think |
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| 20:28.36 | nkuttler | lolufail1: virtual usually implies that you're not running a real kernel, so only userspace stuff should work |
| 20:28.44 | rto | sys6x: You might also want to apt-get install apache2-dbg to get more backtrace information |
| 20:28.57 | greycat | nkuttler: "VT" "Virtual" means it's not a real terminal; just a software terminal emulator. |
| 20:29.02 | nkuttler | ah |
| 20:29.06 | nkuttler | odd question then |
| 20:29.11 | greycat | a real terminal has an RS-232 serial cable going into it. |
| 20:29.23 | \amethyst | 'intel VT' is talking about a CPU with virtualization support |
| 20:29.25 | lolufail1 | dpkg: nkuttler: VT means Intel Vanderpool -.- |
| 20:29.25 | dpkg | lolufail1: are you using Windows? |
| 20:29.30 | \amethyst | nothing to do with virtual terminals |
| 20:29.40 | greycat | oh gods, we have another overloaded acronym now? |
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| 20:29.47 | lolufail1 | dpkg: yes, I am |
| 20:29.47 | dpkg | lolufail1: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 20:29.56 | beardy | ..that's not even.. starting with the right letter? |
| 20:30.10 | sys6x | and the equivalent of /usr/local/apache is..? |
| 20:30.11 | beardy | No T at all in "Venderpool" how silly. |
| 20:30.12 | \amethyst | greycat: vertical tab? |
| 20:30.24 | greycat | With a capital T that rhymes with P that stands for "pool"? |
| 20:30.34 | beardy | I suppose. |
| 20:30.45 | lolufail1 | dpkg: nkuttler: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=intel+vt |
| 20:30.45 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, lolufail1 |
| 20:30.58 | beardy | The one accepting it would be a Fenderfool. |
| 20:31.03 | \amethyst | in this case, VT = virtualization technology |
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| 20:31.28 | nkuttler | lolufail1: dpkg is a bot, i have given up |
| 20:31.32 | lolufail1 | the question is: can I use libvirt to set up a qemu VM today, and just boot with KVM tomorrow, and it will work out of the box? |
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| 20:31.53 | lolufail1 | nkuttler: sry, Im alittle confused now... |
| 20:31.57 | \amethyst | dpkg, vt is also Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica) |
| 20:31.58 | dpkg | okay, \amethyst |
| 20:32.09 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 20:32.24 | \amethyst | oh |
| 20:32.36 | greycat | watches the entire channel fail to get the "T P pool" reference. |
| 20:32.36 | lolufail1 | dpkg, help |
| 20:32.40 | beardy | So.. an instruction extension? How has that anything to do with KVMs. |
| 20:33.00 | Bird|ghosted | beardy, it's hardware support for virtualization |
| 20:33.02 | \amethyst | beardy: KVM is also an overloaded term |
| 20:33.06 | sys6x | is the equivalent of /usr/local/apache /usr/sbin/apache2ctl? |
| 20:33.12 | sys6x | on debian |
| 20:33.15 | enouf | lolufail1: just wait |
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| 20:33.22 | \amethyst | beardy: in this case, he's talking about kernel-based virtual machine, not a keyboard/video/mouse switch |
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| 20:33.30 | greycat | sys6x: /usr/local/apache probably maps to /etc/apache2 on Debian |
| 20:33.32 | lolufail1 | KVM requires that technology, qemu does not. afiak. |
| 20:33.40 | enouf | lolufail1: don't mess with kvm +qemu without enabling the hardware vt in the BIOS |
| 20:33.41 | nkuttler | sys6x: and maybe /var/www/ |
| 20:33.42 | beardy | \amethyst: Great. |
| 20:33.47 | sys6x | greycat: but its supposed to be executable |
| 20:33.50 | greycat | beardy: that was me, a week ago. |
| 20:33.50 | anddam | bye |
| 20:33.54 | WormFood | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. <-- I run "dpkg --configure -a", and it does not correct the problem....that is what I love about sid....it fuckin' breaks something EVERY GOD DAMN TIME I upgrade it |
| 20:33.58 | beardy | greycat: Heh |
| 20:34.08 | greycat | sys6x: I don't understand why anyone would have something called "/usr/local/apache" which is executable |
| 20:34.19 | lolufail1 | enouf: qemu wants vt, too?? |
| 20:34.27 | enouf | lolufail1: it will run, but much more slowly - i think one can even chose which mode, once the VT BIOS support is enabled |
| 20:34.30 | rto | sys6x: apach2ctl is not the executable you want, you want /usr/sbin/apache2 |
| 20:34.31 | sys6x | greycat: I'm trying to do http://httpd.apache.org/dev/debugging.html on debian |
| 20:34.33 | greycat | WormFood: that's why sid is the fun branch! |
| 20:34.34 | enouf | lolufail1: no |
| 20:34.37 | \amethyst | dpkg, VT is a Virtual Terminal, like the console; or Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica) |
| 20:34.37 | dpkg | ...but vt is already something else... |
| 20:34.44 | \amethyst | dpkg, no, VT is a Virtual Terminal, like the console; or Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica) |
| 20:34.45 | dpkg | \amethyst: okay |
| 20:34.50 | beardy | Today must be Mess Up Old and Working Acronym day. |
| 20:34.51 | \amethyst | finally |
| 20:35.08 | enouf | lolufail1: that's the whole point of needing qemu, when the BIOS / CPU does not support vmx,svm flags |
| 20:35.19 | \amethyst | have you ever gone to the wikipedia page for an acronym? Most have many expansions |
| 20:35.27 | inckie | anyone knows if there is a problem with phpmyadmin lately ? installing it as usual by download from source. http://pastebin.ca/1414639 |
| 20:35.33 | inckie | but its justing sending some random file |
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| 20:35.34 | inckie | http://failover.mine.nu/phpmyadmin |
| 20:35.36 | lolufail1 | enouf: I just want to get startet, they tech support of that hoster is SO slow, and I dont think I can flip that switch from the cmdline. http://www.leaseweb.com/en/products/dedicated-servers/packages/35/ |
| 20:35.49 | enouf | beardy: MUOWA? :-p |
| 20:35.52 | Tapout | I've got a file, and I want to see what package it belongs to. Anyone remember the command? |
| 20:35.56 | Tapout | what provides? or something |
| 20:35.59 | greycat | Tapout: dpkg -S filename |
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| 20:36.10 | beardy | enouf: :) |
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| 20:36.33 | Tapout | thanks grey |
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| 20:36.48 | lolufail1 | \amethyst: awesome @teaching the bot |
| 20:36.54 | enouf | Tapout: if it's not installed ; /msg pkg apt-file |
| 20:37.03 | enouf | er |
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| 20:37.09 | enouf | Tapout: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 20:37.31 | rto | inckie: I think it is just complaining that you config file has 0777 permissions. |
| 20:37.39 | enouf | (i know you started with "I've got a file ..") |
| 20:37.53 | sys6x | well, gdb says there are no debugging symbols found and bad username |
| 20:38.13 | greycat | Debian's packages are stripped of debugging symbols. |
| 20:38.14 | enouf | lolufail1: there's much you could read between now and tomorrow :-) |
| 20:38.28 | sys6x | oh god... |
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| 20:38.31 | enouf | sys6x: you need a -dbg pkg or more |
| 20:38.38 | sys6x | what do I do then? ;) |
| 20:38.40 | \amethyst | you can install apache2-dbg |
| 20:38.43 | sys6x | ok |
| 20:38.46 | greycat | Or the deb src, and edit the rules file so it doesn't strip... |
| 20:38.46 | inckie | rto was just me trying do some shit |
| 20:38.51 | rto | sys6x: I tried that way too, i think you need to use the "Debugging intermittent crashes" part to get apache to dump a core. |
| 20:38.51 | inckie | it was the same before |
| 20:39.09 | rto | inckie: Guess they "upped" the security then. |
| 20:39.11 | lolufail1 | btw. why the f*** would someone disable VT on purpose?? |
| 20:39.12 | enouf | sys6x: how would you like your pkgs 2x as large as they are? .. or am i thinking if they are statically linked, instead of dynamic |
| 20:39.26 | lolufail1 | those are awesome quad xeons |
| 20:39.27 | sys6x | enouf: agreed |
| 20:39.36 | \amethyst | lolufail1: dunno; Dell does it |
| 20:39.40 | inckie | rto not writeable anymore |
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| 20:39.44 | inckie | check still same |
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| 20:39.52 | Bird|ghosted | what's rto? |
| 20:39.54 | greycat | enouf: debugging symbols can more than double the size of a program, easily |
| 20:39.59 | enouf | lolufail1: actually Sony did it to some of their laptops, where the CPU was capable = but because they sold it as a cheaper model, they chose to disable it :-P |
| 20:40.09 | lolufail1 | lol |
| 20:40.17 | rto | inckie: works now from here, clear your browser cache. |
| 20:40.17 | enouf | greycat: aye ..ok |
| 20:40.21 | rto | Bird|ghosted: funny guy! |
| 20:40.22 | \amethyst | dells turn it off by default but you can turn it on in the bios |
| 20:40.29 | lolufail1 | enouf: is there a chance I can force it on without access to the bios? |
| 20:40.57 | Bird|ghosted | LOL :D |
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| 20:41.05 | enouf | lolufail1: no |
| 20:41.26 | inckie | lol rto wtf :D |
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| 20:41.49 | rto | inckie: You wouldn't happen to be using ie? That thing will cache stuff forever. |
| 20:41.57 | beardy | !lol |
| 20:41.57 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 20:42.06 | Bird|ghosted | greycat, indd ;) I've seen Windows DLLs grow *2 or more with debugging symbols |
| 20:42.19 | Bird|ghosted | beardy, teach dpkg to add /me laughs to that list ;D |
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| 20:42.36 | greycat | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 895990 Nov 22 2006 /usr/local/bin/bash-3.1.17 |
| 20:42.38 | greycat | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 6197056 Jun 15 2006 /usr/local/bin/bash-3.1.17-unstripped |
| 20:42.41 | enouf | lolufail1: and \amethyst when i said Sony disabled it, i mean, there's no option in the BIOS to even turn it on ... |
| 20:42.52 | Bird|ghosted | greycat, yeah. my point EXACTLY :D |
| 20:42.52 | lolufail1 | enouf: oh. |
| 20:42.56 | amphi | Bird|ghosted: IIRC, webkit grows from ~9MB to ~120MB with debugginng symbols |
| 20:43.07 | \amethyst | enouf: I am not surprised; it is sony, after all |
| 20:43.11 | enouf | lolufail1: right |
| 20:43.13 | lolufail1 | enouf: I guess there was a way around? |
| 20:43.26 | Bird|ghosted | amphi, :) that's why they make debugging symbols as separate files |
| 20:43.34 | enouf | lolufail1: the person who told me about all this had to rewrite part of the original BIOS code |
| 20:43.35 | lolufail1 | enouf: I think I remember finding this by accident yesterday, a forced bios update fixed it |
| 20:43.51 | lolufail1 | enouf: nice |
| 20:44.06 | enouf | amphi: O_o |
| 20:44.14 | Bird|ghosted | enouf, you mean the ACPI level stuff? ;) |
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| 20:44.25 | enouf | buries the webkit |
| 20:44.32 | amphi | haha |
| 20:44.33 | enouf | Bird|ghosted: how'd you guess |
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| 20:44.47 | Bird|ghosted | enouf, I hacked a DSDT once before...;) |
| 20:44.51 | amphi | enouf: http://www.uzbl.org/ |
| 20:45.08 | enouf | oh dear ... Bird|ghosted .. did your nick once contain a Nipple? |
| 20:45.11 | enouf | :-p |
| 20:45.23 | Bird|ghosted | enouf, no... |
| 20:45.28 | enouf | ok then .. nm |
| 20:45.48 | Bird|ghosted | is that guy you mentioned like banned or something? :p |
| 20:46.12 | enouf | amphi: i'm not sure whether to laugh .. or cry ;-) |
| 20:46.19 | lolufail1 | dpkg, a DSDT is a Differentiated System Description Table, which supplies the information and configuration information about the base system. It is always inserted into the ACPI Namespace by the OS at boot time. |
| 20:46.19 | dpkg | lolufail1: okay |
| 20:46.29 | sys6x | rto: ok, I got a coredump...then what? |
| 20:46.35 | enouf | Bird|ghosted: not that i know of .. just ... they moved, or something |
| 20:46.41 | Bird|ghosted | ah. :) |
| 20:46.50 | Bird|ghosted | sys6x, load the coredump into gdb |
| 20:47.04 | Bird|ghosted | and use the bt full command to get a backtrace |
| 20:47.04 | \amethyst | gdb /path/to/apache2 core |
| 20:47.07 | enouf | lolufail1: now define all the OTHER ones :-p |
| 20:47.07 | rto | sys6x: gdb /usr/sbin/apache2 <coredump.file> |
| 20:47.15 | lolufail1 | :D |
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| 20:47.25 | lolufail1 | I just found out about dpkg :D |
| 20:47.32 | lolufail1 | find it _awesome_ |
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| 20:48.43 | sys6x | ok, then what? lots of incomprehensible stuff for me |
| 20:48.50 | sys6x | I see it loads modules...thats it |
| 20:49.06 | rto | sys6x: pastebin it, and lets get our C glasses on |
| 20:49.28 | enouf | dpkg: DSDT is also see lesswatts.org , acpi.sf.net , www.acpi.info/acpi_faq.htm , and kernel /Documentation and it's kernel-paramters.txt |
| 20:49.29 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
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| 20:49.49 | lolufail1 | dpkg, what is DSDT? |
| 20:49.50 | dpkg | lolufail1: what are you talking about? |
| 20:50.02 | enouf | !smack lolufail1 |
| 20:50.03 | dpkg | smacks lolufail1 upside the head. |
| 20:50.07 | streuner | !dsdt |
| 20:50.07 | lolufail1 | :D |
| 20:50.07 | dpkg | dsdt is, like, a Differentiated System Description Table, which supplies the information and configuration information about the base system. It is always inserted into the ACPI Namespace by the OS at boot time. see lesswatts.org , acpi.sf.net , http://www.acpi.info/acpi_faq.htm , and kernel /Documentation and it's kernel-paramters.txt |
| 20:50.16 | Bird|ghosted | sys6x, yeah, pastebin it :) |
| 20:50.20 | WormFood | this is fuckin' stupid! apt-get won't let me download any new packages, keeps saying I need to do "dpkg --configure -a", which I do, and it gives me an error, saying that it can't configure the kernel, because initramfs-tools are not installed....and I can't god dam install them, because apt-get won't work (I know, I could go to some web site somewhere) |
| 20:50.37 | enouf | WormFood: install initramfs-tools :-P |
| 20:50.48 | enouf | WormFood: wget the .deb and dpkg -i it |
| 20:50.53 | amphi | enouf: 'its kernel-parameters.txt' |
| 20:50.54 | sys6x | maybe its just this line ya need : #0 0xb6f0bc50 in ?? () from /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so |
| 20:51.00 | sys6x | but ok, lemme pb it |
| 20:51.04 | enouf | amphi: you got me :-P |
| 20:51.14 | Bird|ghosted | enouf, download the .deb for initramfs-tools using wget and use dpkg -i to stuff it into the system |
| 20:51.15 | greycat | WormFood: if necessary, download a .deb or three directly from packages.debian.org |
| 20:51.21 | WormFood | what the fuck is this stupid circular dependency shit, and how the fuck do I fix it? This is almost as bad as god damn RPMs. |
| 20:51.24 | enouf | dpkg: DSDT =~ s/paramters/parameters/ |
| 20:51.25 | dpkg | enouf: OK |
| 20:51.29 | greycat | !unstable > WormFood |
| 20:51.34 | greycat | !tell WormFood about unstable |
| 20:51.36 | gravity | WormFood: Circular dependencies shouldn't be a problem for apt |
| 20:51.37 | gravity | Or dpkg |
| 20:51.46 | amphi | enouf: the grocer'a apostrophe is horribly infectious ;) |
| 20:51.46 | Bird|ghosted | WormFood, this is simple to fix using wget and dpkg -i :) |
| 20:51.48 | sys6x | WormFood: plz s/fuck/ |
| 20:51.49 | rto | sys6x: Well at least we now know that php5 is the culprit. |
| 20:52.02 | Bird|ghosted | sys6x, GOOD ONE :D |
| 20:52.06 | beardy | Is that in the bts? |
| 20:52.17 | lolufail1 | holy shit, it can regex.... |
| 20:52.20 | shardz_ | WormFood, i had the same problem with a fresh install yesterday, im trying to remember what i did to fix it |
| 20:52.27 | rto | sys6x: You previously said you had both php4 and php5 loaded, could you dump php4 and see if that helps? |
| 20:52.53 | enouf | amphi: good catch though .. i know i looked at it a few times .. but my eyes must be glazy at best at this point ;-) |
| 20:53.01 | sys6x | rto: http://pastebin.ca/1414666 |
| 20:53.21 | adb | WormFood: rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock , as root |
| 20:53.28 | sys6x | rto: finally, I think I didnt install php4 on this one but on my other server...since it didnt show in the test.php |
| 20:54.02 | lolufail1 | dpkg, who made you? |
| 20:54.02 | dpkg | xk did. |
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| 20:54.17 | lolufail1 | !xk |
| 20:54.17 | dpkg | it has been said that xk is 31337 |
| 20:54.20 | lolufail1 | lol |
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| 20:54.28 | lolufail1 | er. bwahahaha |
| 20:54.36 | greycat | lolufail1: /msg the bot if you want to talk to it |
| 20:54.52 | sys6x | yea, plz stop failing publicly :) |
| 20:55.45 | rto | sys6x: If you install php5-dbg you should be able to get a more detailed trace |
| 20:56.01 | sys6x | from the same coredump? |
| 20:56.02 | lolufail1 | !tell sys6x about plz |
| 20:56.37 | sys6x | haha nice, I didn't know |
| 20:56.44 | lolufail1 | in your face :D |
| 20:56.48 | sys6x | :( |
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| 20:58.04 | sys6x | jesus, enouf is right...php5-dbg does 8.5Mb.. |
| 20:58.24 | sys6x | #0 exif_read_file (ImageInfo=0xbfda57cc, FileName=0xffffffff <Address 0xffffffff out of bounds>, read_thumbnail=1, read_all=0) at /build/buildd-php5_5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2-i386-NhLJAq/php5-5.2.6.dfsg.1/ext/exif/exif.c:3347 |
| 20:58.32 | sys6x | err sorry |
| 20:58.36 | sys6x | pastebin |
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| 20:59.00 | sys6x | http://pastebin.ca/1414672 |
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| 21:00.46 | rto | sys6x: If i remember correctly JPEG uses exif, and that seems to where it is segfault'ing. I think you should be able to see the filename of the file in questions if you get the complete trace. |
| 21:01.08 | rto | sys6x: And i think the libexif guys would be very interesting in looking at that file :) |
| 21:01.22 | sys6x | um...the thing is that its just the homepage |
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| 21:01.52 | enouf | amphi: i don't see you in #uzbl :-p |
| 21:02.19 | amphi | enouf: nor do I ;) |
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| 21:03.24 | mooperd | I would like to persuade exim4 to relay messages when I connect to it remotely via smtp but thunderbird says "The mail server responded: relay not permitted" |
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| 21:04.03 | rto | sys6x: Looking closer it also looks like that FileName is "slightly" out of range. I think we need to see the full backtrace. |
| 21:04.04 | abrotman | persuade? |
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| 21:04.22 | mooperd | abrotman; force with a big stick? |
| 21:04.27 | sys6x | how do I get the full (back)trace? |
| 21:04.55 | sys6x | I get it to crash again, but since I got two more dbg installed, it should be more complete? |
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| 21:05.29 | lolufail1 | mooperd: google for smtp auth |
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| 21:05.46 | lolufail1 | smtp auth exim4 howto |
| 21:05.51 | WaX-Dan | hey |
| 21:05.58 | WaX-Dan | i have alitle problem, i dont think i get what im suposed to install, im new to linux and was going to lern to install debian on a vbox |
| 21:06.14 | mooperd | lolufail1: I think thats working. I can send mail to addresses on the local domain |
| 21:06.16 | WaX-Dan | and when im trying to install the guestaddon (a .run file) it says i should install the build and header files for linux |
| 21:06.24 | WaX-Dan | but i already did the aptitude install linux-headers-2.6 linux-kbuild |
| 21:06.28 | mooperd | but Im sure there will be a lead |
| 21:06.39 | WaX-Dan | anyone that can give me advice? :D |
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| 21:07.03 | lolufail1 | mooperd: yes, that is what smtp does... |
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| 21:07.21 | lolufail1 | mooperd: accepting mails from anywhere for the local domain |
| 21:07.25 | Bird|ghosted | sys6x, yeah, and pastebin a bt full too |
| 21:07.29 | rto | sys6x: You shouldn't have to crash it again, but use "bt full" in gdb to get the full backtrace. |
| 21:07.40 | sys6x | ok, at the end of the command |
| 21:07.43 | lolufail1 | mooperd: but to send mails, you need to auth against the smtp server, thanks to spammers |
| 21:08.39 | mooperd | lolufail1: hmm, I see what your saying |
| 21:08.40 | WormFood | spammers are great! they can make a lot of money with spam |
| 21:08.41 | enouf | WaX-Dan: try aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r` build-essential |
| 21:08.42 | sys6x | gdb /usr/sbin/apache2 /tmp/core bt full gives me the same trace.. |
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| 21:09.39 | rto | sys6x: You first run "gdb /usr/sbin/apache2 /tmp/core" and then when you are inside the gdb prompt you write "bt full" |
| 21:09.40 | mooperd | If I set up smtp auth, mail servers will still be able to deliver mail destined for my server |
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| 21:10.02 | sys6x | ok! |
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| 21:10.34 | sys6x | holy gawd, so much info |
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| 21:11.28 | lolufail1 | mooperd: yes |
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| 21:11.52 | Sazpaimon | i hate launchpad |
| 21:11.55 | Sazpaimon | so much |
| 21:12.00 | rto | sys6x: Yep, gdb is a good guy |
| 21:12.13 | sys6x | heres the full bt : http://pastebin.ca/1414693 |
| 21:12.43 | enouf | !valgrind |
| 21:12.43 | dpkg | well, valgrind is http://devel-home.kde.org/~sewardj/, or a l33t t00l to find memory l34kz, or capable of finding use of uninitialized memory and invalid reads/writes |
| 21:12.54 | rto | sys6x: The problematic file seems to be /var/www/pics/images/katimavik/quesnel/img_3479.jpg |
| 21:13.19 | Bird|ghosted | yeah |
| 21:13.32 | Bird|ghosted | enouf, it's 1337 indd :D |
| 21:13.43 | sys6x | imma check tonite what this pic has of so special |
| 21:14.00 | enouf | sys6x: run file and file -i on it |
| 21:14.17 | Bird|ghosted | sys6x, yeah. it looks like zif_exif_thumbnail is corrupting the pointer to the file name that it's passing to exif_read_file |
| 21:14.20 | enouf | then also view it with a hexeditor |
| 21:14.29 | rto | sys6x: Try opening it in Gimp and see if that crashes as well, it probably uses libexif too |
| 21:15.07 | pulse00 | somehow syslog doesn't log anything on my system. i'm running it on a virtual server, and it's a fresh install. does anyone have a hint what could cause this ? |
| 21:15.15 | sys6x | enouf: says its a jpeg image data exif standard 2.2 |
| 21:15.43 | sys6x | rto: it's a CLI-only system...I only have windows workstations |
| 21:16.02 | rto | Gimp on windows should crash as well |
| 21:16.02 | sys6x | Bird|ghosted: ehmmm...ok, idk what that means :] |
| 21:16.05 | rto | (maybe) |
| 21:16.19 | sys6x | ok, anything that uses exif should crash then |
| 21:16.25 | Bird|ghosted | sys6x, it means that this zif_exif_thumbnail is the function that's most likely fouling up the works |
| 21:16.30 | Bird|ghosted | so try opening it in the GIMP |
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| 21:16.56 | sys6x | do you have gimp installed? |
| 21:17.06 | rto | sys6x: Yep, got an url to try? |
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| 21:17.51 | enouf | sys6x: line(s) 3347 (and/or thereabouts) of the file /build/buildd-php5_5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2-i386-NhLJAq/php5-5.2.6.dfsg.1/ext/exif/exif.c:3347 might tell you something interesting |
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| 21:18.17 | sys6x | rto: yea...I just see how weird it is... http://www.chaapaai.ca/img_3479.jpg |
| 21:18.22 | sys6x | wth |
| 21:18.24 | enouf | sys6x: but i'll concede to others helping you - they are doing well by you |
| 21:18.48 | sys6x | indeed :] |
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| 21:19.15 | enouf | (plus, i don't know shit about this php, exif, etc stuff) .. nor am i a programmer that can easily understand debugging output :-P) |
| 21:19.48 | sys6x | I think the file is corrupted...it shows text data but file -i shows it as jpeg... |
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| 21:20.17 | enouf | well -i is just the mimetype thingy |
| 21:20.30 | rto | sys6x: Bam, Gimp 2.4.2 on windows crashes too. |
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| 21:20.39 | rto | I think you are ready to file a bug on libexif |
| 21:20.43 | sys6x | cute |
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| 21:20.50 | enouf | so while the image header might be proper, the data itself is corrupt? |
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| 21:21.01 | Bird|ghosted | sys6x, my gimp reports "Premature End of File" and "Bogus Huffman Table Definition" |
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| 21:21.17 | rto | Bird|ghosted: What version are you on |
| 21:21.25 | sys6x | how can I be sure it isnt file corruption instead of a bug? |
| 21:21.35 | enouf | sys6x: just move that image out of the way, and/or replace it with another well known working one? |
| 21:21.36 | Bird|ghosted | rto 2.4.7 |
| 21:21.37 | abrotman | blames the canon powershot |
| 21:21.44 | sys6x | shhh. |
| 21:21.55 | rto | sys6x: It is certainly a corrupt file, but libexif shouldn't crash anyway |
| 21:21.58 | abrotman | i mean .. if the tennis player says it's good .. it sure is! |
| 21:22.10 | Bird|ghosted | yeah, it's definitely corrupt |
| 21:22.13 | rto | Bird|ghosted: Guess it is time for me to upgrade then, when will apt-get come to windows? |
| 21:22.18 | Bird|ghosted | and libexif should fail instead of crash :P |
| 21:22.22 | Bird|ghosted | rto, LOL :P |
| 21:22.43 | abrotman | sys6x: there is a CLI exif tool to extract the exif data .. you could see what that says |
| 21:22.47 | sys6x | so...do I file a bug or..? |
| 21:22.52 | sys6x | k |
| 21:22.53 | Bird|ghosted | sys6x, file a bug on libexif |
| 21:23.00 | adama_ | rto: when Windows starts shipping Lenny labelled "Windows 7" |
| 21:23.05 | sys6x | yay, fame and celebrity for me, filing a bug |
| 21:23.20 | nkuttler | abrotman: hm? |
| 21:23.24 | Bird|ghosted | post the results of running the CLI exif tool, as well as the 'bt full' from GDB |
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| 21:23.29 | Bird|ghosted | and the original file ofc |
| 21:23.33 | abrotman | nkuttler: why can't i walk on my hands? |
| 21:23.45 | rto | sys6x: Maybe you should file it on the debian package, since newer versions of libexif doesn't seem to crash |
| 21:23.46 | nkuttler | abrotman: because you didnt' exercise enough? |
| 21:23.57 | abrotman | nkuttler: or the wrong body parts |
| 21:24.05 | nkuttler | that... may be |
| 21:24.13 | abrotman | or poor balance .. might explain the busted shoulder ... |
| 21:24.21 | sys6x | I should ask someone that isn't on debian to check it out... |
| 21:24.32 | abrotman | or check the BTS to see if it's already known |
| 21:25.02 | rto | sys6x: Well Bird|ghosted just tested it on a (presumably) newer libexif, and that seemed to work ok. |
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| 21:27.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman : you there? |
| 21:27.43 | abrotman | no |
| 21:27.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : ) |
| 21:27.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | got a problem |
| 21:27.59 | abrotman | there are 899 other people here! |
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| 21:28.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | how do i make compiz use the metacity themes if its not doing already? |
| 21:28.08 | abrotman | argh .. 900 |
| 21:28.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | LMAO |
| 21:28.16 | abrotman | i don't even know if it can .. |
| 21:28.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | includes me too. but i am not providing support |
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| 21:28.25 | abrotman | i don't use compiz or metacity |
| 21:28.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :s |
| 21:28.42 | adama_ | sh4d3sl4y3r_: set it to use gnome-window-decorator instead of emerald |
| 21:28.52 | abrotman | woohoo sawfish! |
| 21:28.59 | mooperd | where does debian store its passwords? |
| 21:29.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | adama : the thing is when i enable compiz. the top portion disappears |
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| 21:29.03 | Bird|ghosted | btw, why, oh, why would Update Manager keep wanting me to update? (I've tried using aptitude update several times, and the message goes away for a few hours and comes back) |
| 21:29.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | thats my issue |
| 21:29.05 | abrotman | mooperd: for what? |
| 21:29.13 | vn | interesting, it doesnt crash on sid |
| 21:29.14 | abrotman | Bird|ghosted: it's a broken pile of junk |
| 21:29.15 | adama_ | sh4d3sl4y3r_ you mean the title bar? |
| 21:29.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes |
| 21:29.27 | mooperd | I would like to get smtp to auth against user password |
| 21:29.30 | stew | mooperd: the password hashes of the system users are typically in /etc/shadow |
| 21:29.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | so i presume its not using the metacity themes |
| 21:29.36 | Bird|ghosted | abrotman, o.O.o :p |
| 21:29.39 | amphi | sh4d3sl4y3r_: sounds like no decorator is running - what happens if you do 'gtk-window-decorator --replace &' in a term? |
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| 21:29.47 | Bird|ghosted | abrotman, got a suggestion for a replacment? |
| 21:29.48 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lemme paste hang on |
| 21:29.50 | adama_ | that's the one |
| 21:29.53 | abrotman | Bird|ghosted: aptitude |
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| 21:30.12 | abrotman | Bird|ghosted: u-m was running on my box for awhile .. got seriously annoyed that it always thought there were updates |
| 21:30.15 | rto | vn: Someone else might have reported the bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=447907 |
| 21:30.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | brb |
| 21:30.31 | vn | rto: a guy on sid tells me he has gimp 2.6.6 and it doesnt crash...should I suppose they fixed it? |
| 21:30.34 | Bird|ghosted | abrotman, :) I do use aptitude for most day-to-day stuff, I just need an automatic thingy |
| 21:30.40 | abrotman | Bird|ghosted: no you don't |
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| 21:31.34 | rto | vn: I think you should file it, at least to get some security team guy to take a look at it to see if it should be backported to stable. |
| 21:31.37 | amphi | vn: what makes gimp crash there? it doesn't here (testing) |
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| 21:31.58 | Bird|ghosted | abrotman, heh |
| 21:31.59 | mooperd | where is the exim4 config file |
| 21:32.04 | enouf | judd: versions gimp |
| 21:32.05 | judd | enouf: gimp -- etch: 2.2.13-1etch4 etch-security: 2.2.13-1etch4 lenny: 2.4.7-1 sid: 2.6.6-1 squeeze: 2.6.6-1 |
| 21:32.31 | vn | amphi: it doesnt crash when opening http://www.chaapaai.ca/img_3479.jpg ? |
| 21:32.33 | enouf | mooperd: /etc/exim4/* .. dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ? |
| 21:32.35 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | adama : when i run gtk-window-decorator --replace . its all blank |
| 21:32.38 | Bird|ghosted | abrotman, i forget :p |
| 21:32.46 | enouf | mooperd: man update-exim[tab][tab] |
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| 21:33.58 | mooperd | enouf: nah, I need to make alterations beyond dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:34.03 | amphi | vn: no, just says the jpeg plugin couldn't open it |
| 21:34.13 | enouf | vn: links2 -g doesn't even display that POS file ;-) but i can see the text/binary data :-P |
| 21:34.14 | Bird|ghosted | abrotman, never mind that, /me slaps himself with cron :P |
| 21:34.22 | amphi | vn: 'img_3479.jpg: JPEG image data, EXIF standard 2.2' - odd |
| 21:34.22 | abrotman | Bird|ghosted: cron-apt if you really need it |
| 21:34.23 | enouf | there's your Canon powershot shit :-p |
| 21:34.31 | Bird|ghosted | abrotman, yeah. |
| 21:34.45 | amphi | vn: 'feh WARNING: img_3479.jpg - No Imlib2 loader for that file format' |
| 21:34.52 | vn | amphi: testing = sid, right? |
| 21:34.59 | Bird|ghosted | vn yeah |
| 21:35.23 | vn | if its fine on testing...it should be fine in the future I suppose? |
| 21:35.24 | enouf | no |
| 21:35.28 | adama_ | no, testing = squeeze. sid = experimental |
| 21:35.36 | vn | hmm ok |
| 21:35.37 | amphi | vn: display: Premature end of JPEG file `img_3479.jpg'\ndisplay: Bogus Huffman table definition `img_3479.jpg'. |
| 21:35.42 | enouf | adama_: no |
| 21:35.45 | amphi | vn: nobody likes it ;) |
| 21:35.54 | Bird|ghosted | duh! :P |
| 21:35.55 | vn | it being what? |
| 21:35.56 | enouf | testing == squeeze, unstable == sid |
| 21:36.00 | adama_ | dang, I always get this wrong |
| 21:36.03 | amphi | vn: that jpeg |
| 21:36.06 | enouf | heh ;-) |
| 21:36.10 | enouf | !releases |
| 21:36.11 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 21:36.13 | adama_ | oh right, unstable |
| 21:36.50 | vn | so if its fine in testing AND in experimental... |
| 21:37.10 | rto | vn: I think someone needs to read the faulty lines in libexif and see if it isn't a security issue, perhaps it could be exploited by crafting a jpeg file. |
| 21:37.27 | amphi | vn: the file is broken |
| 21:37.32 | rto | vn: and i am pretty sure the security team is the guys to do that. |
| 21:37.37 | vn | k |
| 21:37.41 | enouf | Canon.Canon PowerShot A510.**.......*.......2006:07:16 22:48:47.......... |
| 21:37.52 | Bird|ghosted | yeah the file is broken, and libexif shouldn't crash on broken jpegs |
| 21:37.58 | vn | yea I know that stuff, file headers modification with malicious intentions.. |
| 21:37.59 | amphi | Bird|ghosted: verily |
| 21:38.23 | vn | ok, its definitive, that'll be a bug report to the libexif guys of the deb package |
| 21:38.35 | enouf | IMG:PowerShot A510 JPEG.........Firmware Version 1.00....R....... |
| 21:38.48 | vn | hm I think my cam needs a firmware upgrade.. |
| 21:38.54 | amphi | vn: now I look, testing and sid have the same version of gimp currently |
| 21:39.03 | vn | 2.6.6? |
| 21:39.27 | enouf | judd: versions gimp |
| 21:39.28 | judd | enouf: gimp -- etch: 2.2.13-1etch4 etch-security: 2.2.13-1etch4 lenny: 2.4.7-1 sid: 2.6.6-1 squeeze: 2.6.6-1 |
| 21:39.31 | enouf | vn |
| 21:40.02 | rto | vn: Cheers! and remember to mention that you know that a newer versions fixes it but that it might be exploited. And please attach the file, nothing is better than a bug-report with a reproducible crash. |
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| 21:41.14 | vn | rto: the jpg file, the bt full and details.. |
| 21:41.22 | vn | I copy pasted this in a notepad file so I can remember |
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| 21:42.28 | rto | Yep, more information is almost always better. Then they have a file to reproduce and the exact line where it crashes. |
| 21:42.28 | Bird|ghosted | yeah, that way they can jump right to where the issue is and get a fix out in an hour |
| 21:42.28 | Bird|ghosted | instead of spending days tearing their hair out attempting to reproduce it |
| 21:42.34 | vn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.37 | vn | +if |
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| 21:44.06 | Bird|ghosted | o/ I'm out btw |
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| 21:45.36 | vn | interesting, konqeror crashes too |
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| 21:45.57 | fubada | anhyone have universe/multiverse repositories under debian |
| 21:46.02 | fubada | share the sources line please |
| 21:46.25 | stew | fubada: there are no such repositories in debian |
| 21:46.33 | rto | vn: It is starting to look like an update may be in order even if it isn't a security risk, applications seems to be crashing all over the place. |
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| 21:47.02 | trifler | Grr why is nano takin crontab -e for me. |
| 21:47.53 | stew | fubada: debian has main, contrib, non-free |
| 21:48.19 | rto | trifler: Because you need to update-alternatives --config editor |
| 21:48.32 | fubada | thanks |
| 21:48.37 | fubada | this must b ubuntu stuff |
| 21:48.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | trifler, ls -la /etc/alternative/editor |
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| 21:49.05 | stew | fubada: is there some pacakge you are expecting to find, but aren't finding? |
| 21:49.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | or perhaps better what rto says :) |
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| 21:49.43 | rto | CutMeOwnThroat: As long as you dont cut your own throat we can do it your way :) |
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| 21:52.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | rto, I didn't suggest a way to fix it, just provided an explanation why this is (what his question was) |
| 21:52.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | not my fault he's asking the wrong questions, no? |
| 21:52.53 | e1luca | apropos Ubuntu :D I have access of my Debian partition and this: http://pastebin.centos.org/25070. What else should I have to get a chance of someone helping me get wireless when in Debian? tnx |
| 21:52.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | he asked "why is..." not "how do I change..." :) |
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| 21:53.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | you have a debian partition ad an empty pastebin? |
| 21:53.53 | e1luca | Obs: the lspci is from Debian & I'm complete newbue |
| 21:54.03 | enouf | buy a wifi card? |
| 21:54.06 | fubada | stew im having issues installing msttf fonts packaghe |
| 21:54.08 | fubada | with apt-get |
| 21:54.27 | Edico | hi |
| 21:54.28 | e1luca | http://pastebin.centos.org/26027 |
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| 21:54.31 | stew | judd: versions msttcorefonts |
| 21:54.32 | judd | stew: msttcorefonts -- etch/contrib: 1.8 sid/contrib: 2.6 lenny/contrib: 2.7 sid/contrib: 2.7 |
| 21:54.46 | stew | fubada: its in the 'contrib' repositories. do you have contrib in sources.list? |
| 21:54.53 | vn | imma do that bugfile tonite dudes, thanks a lot! gtg thought |
| 21:54.54 | e1luca | @ enouf: funny |
| 21:55.01 | fubada | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 21:55.01 | fubada | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 21:55.04 | fubada | im etch |
| 21:55.17 | fubada | no contrib |
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| 21:55.40 | enouf | !security |
| 21:55.41 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude dist-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 21:56.06 | enouf | you want !mirrors |
| 21:56.39 | stew | fubada: that's only security.debian.org, you'd need to add a main mirror also, such as "http://ftp.xx.debian.org/debian" where xx is your country code, such as 'us' or 'uk' or 'au' or 'fr', etc... |
| 21:56.46 | Edico | I have some problems with the internet connection, seems I can't connect anymore with DHCP, and I configured my nic manually and I put dns ips in /etc/resolv.conf. Now I can ping the hosts like www.google.com and I can connect to IRC but I can't see the web site with the browser. |
| 21:56.51 | Edico | what can be the problem? |
| 21:56.52 | fubada | i got it thanks |
| 21:56.57 | fubada | lets see if i can apt-get it now |
| 21:57.00 | stew | fubada: you should also consider upgrading to lenny, the current stable sometime (/msg dpkg etch->lenny) |
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| 21:57.17 | fubada | eh prod is not lenny |
| 21:57.38 | enouf | fubada: update; then install pkgname |
| 21:58.14 | fubada | right still conflicts |
| 21:58.14 | fubada | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.15 | fubada | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:58.27 | Hello_World | Hi all, |
| 21:58.31 | fubada | those two depend on eachother, cant install either 1 |
| 21:58.42 | stew | judd: versions cabextract |
| 21:58.43 | judd | stew: cabextract -- etch: 1.2-2 lenny: 1.2-3 sid: 1.2-3 squeeze: 1.2-3 |
| 21:58.45 | fubada | apt-get -f install no good |
| 21:58.54 | Hello_World | Has anyone had any experience with Pam, Winbind, AD and such ? |
| 21:59.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Edico, none as you describe it |
| 21:59.27 | fubada | Hello_World, lots of good howtos on that subject |
| 21:59.30 | stew | fubada: what line did you add to sources.list to get ttf-mscorefonts-installer ? |
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| 21:59.47 | stew | fubada: or show us the output of "apt-cache policy ttf-mscorefonts-installer cabextract" use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:59.49 | fubada | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 21:59.52 | Hello_World | fubada: where are they hidden ? |
| 22:00.01 | fubada | google has e, |
| 22:00.02 | rto | Nice talking to you guys, time for me to turn in. |
| 22:00.02 | fubada | em |
| 22:00.43 | fubada | http://pastebin.ca/1414739 |
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| 22:01.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | e1luca, and google didnt find you http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn ? |
| 22:02.07 | stew | fubada: have you run "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" since editing sources.list? |
| 22:02.13 | fubada | yes |
| 22:02.28 | fubada | it hits all sources |
| 22:02.35 | e1luca | CutMeOwnThroat: tnx. it did but can't wget without net |
| 22:02.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Edico, proxy setting // firewall that blocks tcp // connection broke down when you used browser - if you can ping a hostname, networking is fully functional |
| 22:02.39 | stew | fubada: i don't know why you'd be getting those warnings then |
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| 22:02.53 | dustybin | I am trying to use 2x SSL certificates by using 2 different ports using the same IP, here is my apache config: http://paste.debian.net/35459/ for some unknown reason, i can only get 1 of the SSL ports to work, if i leave both uncommented like the configuration, i get this error: [warn] RSA server certificate CommonName (CN) `www.mybox.co.uk' does NOT match server name!? |
| 22:02.56 | stew | fubada: what happens when you run "aptitude install cabextract" ? |
| 22:02.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | e1luca, there's wired internet as well! |
| 22:02.58 | fubada | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.us.debian.org etch/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 22:03.02 | e1luca | I'm looking for a way to copy from Ubuntu in Debian if possible |
| 22:03.41 | e1luca | CutMeOwnThroat: I heard something about that. It just hasn't been imported yet in my country :D |
| 22:04.06 | e1luca | Don't have access to a wire sorry |
| 22:04.13 | stew | fubada: show us the output of "aptitude update" . it really looks like you haven't sucessfully run it |
| 22:04.20 | stew | dustybin: why do you have two different <VirtualHost *:1234> ? |
| 22:04.33 | fubada | let me switch to DE instead of US mirrors |
| 22:04.54 | dustybin | stew: one is a re-direct |
| 22:05.06 | dustybin | Redirect permanent / https://www.mybox.co.uk |
| 22:05.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | e1luca, so wget it from ubuntu... |
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| 22:05.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | how come you got network in ubuntu, then |
| 22:05.34 | e1luca | CutMeOwnThroat: aha than install in debian. so it's possible. tnx |
| 22:05.39 | dustybin | stew: if i remove the whole section of *:1234 it works perfectly |
| 22:05.45 | stew | dustybin: oh, i misread, one sec |
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| 22:05.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | e1luca, dpkg -i <packagename>.deb - but the page says that |
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| 22:06.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | e1luca, oh, you build that yourself... well, what the page says |
| 22:06.26 | stew | dustybin: well, i'd agree that www.mybox.co.uk doesn't match the servername, wouldn't you? |
| 22:07.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, it could? www.mybox.co.uk has address 194.154.164.90 |
| 22:07.11 | dustybin | stew: it should re-direct into: ServerName www.mybox.co.uk |
| 22:07.22 | oxi | hi |
| 22:07.26 | e1luca | CutMeOwnThroat: tnx again. and.. it works in ubuntu because it wasn't up to me to fix it. probably will stop working if I try to repaire it |
| 22:07.34 | oxi | for debian vps hosting would you pick i386 or amd64 today? |
| 22:07.36 | oxi | ...if the vps doesn't need the 4gb memory addressing |
| 22:07.50 | stew | dustybin: ok. but the servername doesn't match the CN, right? |
| 22:08.01 | dustybin | CN ? |
| 22:08.25 | stew | dustybin: your certificate is for www.mybox.co.uk, right? |
| 22:08.29 | fubada | im havin trouble with syncing to mirrors |
| 22:08.29 | dustybin | yes |
| 22:08.36 | fubada | bunch of connection issues |
| 22:08.46 | dustybin | stew: if i wipe out the 2nd SSL server section, NameVirtualHost *:1234 it works perfectly |
| 22:08.49 | dustybin | no errors |
| 22:08.57 | dustybin | if put in NameVirtualHost *:1234 |
| 22:09.02 | dustybin | i get errors |
| 22:09.24 | dustybin | i dont understand why because im using different ports |
| 22:09.25 | stew | dustybin: what is the common name on the /etc/apache2/ssl/webmail.mybox.cert cert? |
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| 22:09.48 | dustybin | webmail.mybox.co.uk |
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| 22:10.06 | dustybin | stew: if i wipe out the NameVirtualHost *:443 section |
| 22:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | oxi, what you wish... if you don't need anything that only runs on 32bit I don't see why you shouldn't run at 64bit |
| 22:10.20 | dustybin | then, NameVirtualHost *:1234 works perfectly |
| 22:10.41 | oxi | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, thanks for your advice |
| 22:10.47 | stew | dustybin: what is the common name on the /etc/apache2/ssl/mybox.cert cert? |
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| 22:11.00 | dustybin | www.mybox.co.uk |
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| 22:12.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | oxi, those are/were flash plugin, nvidia binary graphics card driver, some non-debian proprietary software that was written for 32bit for me |
| 22:12.33 | stew | dustybin: so realize that users hitting mybox.co.uk will get an error about this mismatch BEFORE the redirect happens |
| 22:13.05 | dustybin | ok |
| 22:13.15 | dustybin | that makes sense |
| 22:13.19 | oxi | CutMeOwnThroat: I see, that's not really relevant for hosting but more client stuff |
| 22:13.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | oxi, you might want to /msg dpkg amd64 and /msg dpkg why amd64 (and the pages mentioned therein) |
| 22:13.50 | dustybin | stew: the odd thing is, i dont get any errors if i only use 1 of the rs |
| 22:13.57 | dustybin | SSL parts |
| 22:13.58 | fubada | Get:3 ftp://ftp.de.debian.org etch Release.gpg [394B] |
| 22:13.59 | fubada | Err ftp://ftp.de.debian.org etch Release.gpg |
| 22:13.59 | fubada | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.03 | fubada | steve, |
| 22:14.05 | fubada | stew |
| 22:14.27 | stew | fubada: is there a reason you are using ftp instead of http? i'd suggest using http://ftp.de... |
| 22:14.39 | dustybin | stew: the re-direct happens before SSL is turned on |
| 22:14.43 | stew | dustybin: i don't know why it doesn't always give you the warning. it seems like you should always get it |
| 22:14.44 | fubada | good point |
| 22:14.53 | fubada | yay |
| 22:15.49 | dustybin | stew: you are correct |
| 22:15.55 | dustybin | it does give me a warning |
| 22:16.08 | dustybin | eeek im doomed |
| 22:16.21 | dustybin | https re-direct is tricky business |
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| 22:19.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | oxi, I think my remaining main reason to run i386 (except that I won't reinstall just to go to amd64) is that I run non-free software that was written for ix86... I'm not gonna port that! |
| 22:19.49 | dustybin | stew: i think logically, the only way to redirect https://mybox.net to https://www.mybox.net is by using another certificate for mybox.net !! |
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| 22:20.17 | Gast_720_ | hi |
| 22:20.18 | Gast_720_ | http://www.unsere-nackte-pyjamaparty.net/?id=8495918 |
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| 22:20.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, but why would you want to redirect? Isn't it just as good to have the same content? |
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| 22:21.02 | dustybin | CutMeOwnThroat: no, its lame |
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| 22:21.20 | dustybin | if you type in http://apple.com look what happens |
| 22:21.28 | enouf | eww |
| 22:21.36 | dustybin | or http://microsoft.com |
| 22:21.43 | oxi | CutMeOwnThroat: alright, :-) |
| 22:21.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, it's not https//apple.com, though :) |
| 22:21.48 | jelly-home | but the important question is ... is it 302 or 301! |
| 22:21.50 | dustybin | oh hell serious? |
| 22:21.58 | enouf | hike! |
| 22:22.19 | stew | dustybin: yes, multiple certs, or one cert with multiple CNs or a wildcard cert |
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| 22:22.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, did you try https://apple.com ? |
| 22:22.43 | dustybin | https://microsoft.com/ |
| 22:22.46 | dustybin | interesting |
| 22:22.49 | stew | dustybin: unfortunately, it opens you up for more raping for companies to do simple math for you very expensively |
| 22:22.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 22:22.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | speak of lame :) |
| 22:23.03 | dustybin | stew: aye ok! |
| 22:23.12 | dustybin | You do not have permission to view this directory or page. |
| 22:23.37 | dustybin | CutMeOwnThroat: nothing comes up for me with apple |
| 22:23.42 | nkuttler | if people type https into the url field they should be smart enough to use the correct domain.. |
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| 22:24.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, no, looks like caught in an endless loop |
| 22:24.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, try https://gmail.com, though |
| 22:24.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's interesting |
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| 22:25.21 | enouf | try https://www.microsoft.com/ |
| 22:25.33 | kroddnoMobil | does someone know how to install ubuntu 9.04 as a chroot in lenny? |
| 22:25.48 | azeem | kroddnoMobil: debootstrap |
| 22:26.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, you can do better than apple and microsoft! |
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| 22:26.10 | azeem | kroddnoMobil: you probably need to patch the lenny debootstrap for that, though |
| 22:26.12 | enouf | same with apple .. or does adding www defeat thye inetntion/purpose? |
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| 22:26.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, it does |
| 22:26.48 | enouf | is typing lefty only, one finger at a time |
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| 22:27.15 | enouf | sliuced open right pinky on broken glass washing in dsiunk' |
| 22:27.40 | kroddnoMobil | azeem: looks complicated ^^ |
| 22:27.47 | kroddnoMobil | I hoped for a script |
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| 22:27.56 | azeem | kroddnoMobil: eh, debootstrap is a script |
| 22:28.02 | kroddnoMobil | ^^ |
| 22:28.03 | azeem | kroddnoMobil: what are you trying to do anyway? |
| 22:28.08 | kroddnoMobil | i mean the right parameter |
| 22:28.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | kroddnoMobil, install regularly in a new partition, mount, chroot into it? |
| 22:28.26 | enouf | kroddnoMobil: might you just not want to generate a loopback FS and install there? |
| 22:28.28 | kroddnoMobil | I want to have a ubuntu 9.04 chroot on my debian lenny to compile an app |
| 22:28.28 | redrain | Hi, I've a debian machine installed by someone else. I couldn't find lspci command. Which package contains it? |
| 22:28.29 | azeem | or that |
| 22:28.40 | azeem | kroddnoMobil: that'd be debootstrap |
| 22:28.48 | kroddnoMobil | azeem: i know |
| 22:28.55 | enouf | you could then even use wubi? dunno |
| 22:28.57 | azeem | kroddnoMobil: if you don't know how to use debootstrap, do the full install |
| 22:28.58 | kroddnoMobil | i already installed some chroots - but only debian ones |
| 22:28.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell redrain -about apt-file |
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| 22:29.05 | kroddnoMobil | wubi? |
| 22:29.17 | azeem | kroddnoMobil: the problem is that 9.04 got released *after* lenny |
| 22:29.19 | enouf | only heard oif it |
| 22:29.20 | dustybin | stew: thanks, i removed the re-direct sections, now they both work perfectly :D |
| 22:29.24 | mxmx | is it possible to upload to a site with a flash uploader using command line debian? |
| 22:29.28 | nkuttler | kroddnoMobil: er, why do you need ubuntu to compile something? |
| 22:29.31 | kroddnoMobil | azeem: do you see a problem with that? |
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| 22:29.35 | azeem | so I don't know whether lenny knows about jaunty |
| 22:29.41 | azeem | kroddnoMobil: yes |
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| 22:29.46 | kroddnoMobil | I installed lenny on a etch system ... |
| 22:29.48 | azeem | it's like "distribution unknown" |
| 22:29.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | mxmx, only if you find a commandline flash client, eh? |
| 22:29.59 | azeem | kroddnoMobil: ok, if you're so clever, why do you ask? |
| 22:30.03 | EagleScreen | kroddnoMobil: pbuilder can make a chroot of ubuntu 'easily' to build or compile packages for it |
| 22:30.04 | azeem | just try it out already |
| 22:30.04 | enouf | redrain: pciutils |
| 22:30.17 | kroddnoMobil | okay, that was "unstable" - not lenny |
| 22:30.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | mxmx, (it might if the flash does a regular GET or POST operation and you figure what that is) |
| 22:30.24 | azeem | ... |
| 22:30.26 | redrain | enouf, Thanks |
| 22:30.27 | mxmx | CutMeOwnThroat ... |
| 22:30.32 | enouf | oh .. someone already apt-file's you |
| 22:30.50 | enouf | redrain: learn apt-file |
| 22:30.51 | mxmx | okay |
| 22:30.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | jepp :) apt-file-fu |
| 22:31.04 | mxmx | file flu |
| 22:31.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | swine flu? |
| 22:31.18 | enouf | redrain: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:31.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | pigs flew? |
| 22:31.59 | enouf | three through? |
| 22:32.02 | redrain | enouf, I'm looking at apt-file, thanks again |
| 22:32.17 | enouf | !win CutMeOwnThroat |
| 22:32.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, CutMeOwnThroat! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 22:32.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hooray! |
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| 22:35.09 | martianlobster | does anyone know whwere I can download the code for slocate? |
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| 22:35.53 | enouf | judd versions slocate |
| 22:35.53 | judd | enouf: slocate -- etch: 3.1-1 |
| 22:36.00 | enouf | judd versions dlocate |
| 22:36.01 | judd | enouf: dlocate -- etch: 0.5-0.3 lenny: 0.96.1 sid: 0.96.1 squeeze: 0.96.1 |
| 22:36.06 | enouf | much better ;-) |
| 22:36.26 | martianlobster | thanks |
| 22:36.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, slocate is gone? |
| 22:36.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | dlocate is something else |
| 22:36.52 | enouf | what does slocAte do? stand for? |
| 22:36.58 | martianlobster | secure locate |
| 22:37.03 | enouf | ugh |
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| 22:37.09 | martianlobster | locate + file privaliges |
| 22:37.10 | enouf | secuyre this! |
| 22:37.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | will show user only files he has access to |
| 22:37.25 | enouf | you have wintendo weenies running X as root .. lmao |
| 22:37.34 | enouf | silly |
| 22:37.45 | enouf | slocate == silly locate |
| 22:38.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | martianlobster, put deb-src <yourmirror> oldstable main non-free contrip in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:38.09 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.18 | enouf | er .conf |
| 22:38.21 | enouf | or whatever |
| 22:38.55 | martianlobster | ok thanks guys |
| 22:38.56 | martianlobster | ttyl |
| 22:39.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | then ... probably apt-get build-depends slocate ; apt-get source -b slocate |
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| 22:39.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it hopefully leaves you with a debian binary package |
| 22:39.13 | enouf | martianlobster: stick around .. i'm hungry for seafood ;-) |
| 22:39.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | from mars? |
| 22:39.44 | \amethyst | or use mlocate |
| 22:39.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 22:39.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | was just going to say |
| 22:39.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | that mlocate is still in debian |
| 22:40.02 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: you sure the nick doesn't mean, "hi, i'm mart i am a lobster" :-P |
| 22:40.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I think mlocate has a slightly different focus |
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| 22:40.25 | enouf | m == mousey |
| 22:40.43 | etchPRSN | enouf that is very observant... not very accurate, but still observant |
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| 22:41.08 | enouf | focuses when hungry :-p |
| 22:41.27 | kroddnoMobil | debootstrap jaunty /chroot/ubuntu904/ http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu <--- seems to work after symlinking /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/gutsy to /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/jaunty |
| 22:41.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, you surely mean I'm Mart I. Lobster :) |
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| 22:42.04 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: indeed - and i meant "three little ones", not 'three through' :-P |
| 22:42.10 | azeem | kroddnoMobil: as debootstrap is Arch: all you could also just extract the jaunty script from their jaunty debootstrap |
| 22:42.17 | enouf | oh wow .. bleeding has subsided |
| 22:42.41 | enouf | this paper towel is crammed into a clot :-P |
| 22:42.45 | \amethyst | or if Mart has a son Ian and daughter Terri, and Ian is throwing Terri, you might say "Mart, Ian lobs Ter." |
| 22:42.49 | etchPRSN | changes enouf's nick to aLobsterBitme |
| 22:42.54 | enouf | s/is/has coagulated |
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| 22:43.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | cringes in pain |
| 22:43.22 | enouf | that's a nice word .. one doesn't get to use often ... coagulation! |
| 22:43.38 | jelly-home | 's nose bleeds |
| 22:44.00 | enouf | tilts jelly-home |
| 22:44.08 | enouf | er .. + head back |
| 22:44.11 | jelly-home | wrong way to deal with it. |
| 22:44.18 | enouf | aye |
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| 22:44.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | kids, don't try this at home! |
| 22:44.30 | kroddnoMobil | azeem: goog idea |
| 22:44.31 | enouf | stuff it |
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| 22:45.05 | jelly-home | I'll just wait for the blood to coagulate by being exposed to air |
| 22:45.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | you sure it's air that does it? :) |
| 22:45.40 | enouf | jelly-home: too much peruvian? O_o <j/k> .. i deal with someone close whom also occassionally suffers from spontaneous nose-bleeds |
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| 22:46.02 | etchPRSN | wonders if enouf injured himself while practicing along with a head-butt instructional video |
| 22:46.18 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: it's not Plate Tectonics, but platelettes :-) |
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| 22:47.15 | DogsofTheDow | Do I need anything other than the first CD to have a functioning gcc/g++ and Apache httpd? |
| 22:47.17 | enouf | etchPRSN: nah, just wasn't paying attention .. yes, i was a bit peeved about something else while i was cramming my large hands into this narrowly tapered tall glass ... |
| 22:47.36 | etchPRSN | ugh |
| 22:47.45 | enouf | DogsofTheDow: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 22:48.00 | enouf | DogsofTheDow: build-essential will have most build tools |
| 22:48.15 | enouf | er, s/will have/will install |
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| 22:48.21 | enouf | it's a metapackage |
| 22:49.49 | mooperd | If I have dovecot auth against unix passwords, how do I get exim to auth against dovecot? |
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| 22:52.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | b |
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| 22:53.44 | lfamorim__ | How can I install mkinitrd in Debian? |
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| 22:54.59 | DogsofTheDow | I can't get to debian.org, is build-essential on the first CD? |
| 22:55.21 | enouf | should be .. hrm |
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| 22:55.40 | enouf | lfamorim__: use initramfs-tools and mkinitramfs |
| 22:55.58 | enouf | or use yaird .. or .. |
| 22:57.19 | enouf | lfamorim__: why mkinitrd, it's old - are you using an old debian release? |
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| 22:59.49 | kroddnoMobil | azeem: that jaunty script from ubuntu is almost the same |
| 22:59.49 | sadsad | hi |
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| 23:00.38 | sadsad | how can i remove openntpd from auto running at boot time? |
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| 23:01.01 | sadsad | i've removed all /etc/init.d/rc*.d/S20openntpd scripts |
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| 23:01.39 | abrotman | sadsad: update-rc.d |
| 23:01.40 | enouf | sadsad: /msg dpkg rcconf |
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| 23:02.05 | enouf | sadsad: and you seem to have wrong dir/ and files |
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| 23:02.24 | enouf | sadsad: /etc/rc*.d/SNNscriptname , |
| 23:02.30 | pyrohotdog | Just installed fresh with LVM and encryption, installation went fine, rebooted, all I get is a grub prompt.... |
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| 23:02.48 | sadsad | enouf: yeah, that was a type |
| 23:02.50 | sadsad | typo |
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| 23:03.23 | enouf | pyrohotdog: did you place a /boot partition on non-LVM? |
| 23:03.30 | enouf | and are you using grub1? |
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| 23:06.05 | pyrohotdog | I just let the installer do everything... |
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| 23:07.02 | enouf | did you install grub at all? |
| 23:07.07 | enouf | !rescue mode |
| 23:07.07 | dpkg | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Etch users: Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
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| 23:07.26 | enouf | and which Installer and Release? |
| 23:07.28 | madAdam2 | Hello |
| 23:07.34 | enouf | and ARCH |
| 23:08.05 | madAdam2 | I'm using wmaker and one of my programs has gone off my screen and now I can't move it back down, any help? |
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| 23:08.35 | enouf | try wmctl? .. er.. |
| 23:08.47 | enouf | judd versions wmctl |
| 23:08.48 | judd | enouf: wmctl -- |
| 23:08.51 | enouf | judd versions wmctrl |
| 23:08.52 | judd | enouf: wmctrl -- etch: 1.07-5 lenny: 1.07-6 sid: 1.07-6 squeeze: 1.07-6 |
| 23:09.12 | madAdam2 | wmctl? |
| 23:09.14 | sadsad | enouf: i'm building a livecd and i wonder how can it be done without running update-rc.d after booting...? |
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| 23:09.30 | enouf | what livecd? and why? and what? |
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| 23:10.21 | enouf | you must be building it wrong or something |
| 23:10.28 | sadsad | enouf: debian livecd with live-helper |
| 23:10.35 | madAdam2 | I'm using wmaker and one of my programs has gone off my screen and now I can't move it back down, any help? |
| 23:10.36 | enouf | see #debian-live |
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| 23:11.09 | sadsad | enouf: yeah.. one person there.. |
| 23:11.11 | enouf | !live |
| 23:11.11 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). |
| 23:11.18 | enouf | sadsad: wrong network |
| 23:11.24 | sadsad | ah |
| 23:11.25 | sadsad | okay |
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| 23:14.37 | pyrohotdog | Debian 5, the lastest |
| 23:14.40 | iWiiFromApple | Does glibc come with documentation for programming (i.e. man pages describing various functions and header files like string.h)? |
| 23:15.17 | enouf | iWiiFromApple: /msg dpkg gcc-doc |
| 23:15.40 | enouf | iWiiFromApple: install manpages-dev as well |
| 23:16.00 | iWiiFromApple | Is manpages-dev on the first CD? |
| 23:16.06 | enouf | ... |
| 23:16.25 | enouf | use the forced net luke |
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| 23:16.50 | FoxBlitzz | iWiiFromApple: Why not just visit cplusplus.com? |
| 23:16.51 | iWiiFromApple | Hrmm: e, [1] msg, [2] Unknown command |
| 23:17.02 | enouf | in your irc client iWiiFromApple |
| 23:17.05 | iWiiFromApple | No Internet access. :( |
| 23:17.20 | iWiiFromApple | enouf: Yes, I did. |
| 23:17.25 | enouf | !+ tell iWiiFromApple -about gcc-doc |
| 23:17.25 | dpkg | told iWiiFromApple about gcc-doc. |
| 23:17.41 | enouf | !+ tell iWiiFromApple -about cd contents |
| 23:17.43 | dpkg | told iWiiFromApple about cd contents. |
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| 23:17.55 | enouf | you're on the net now |
| 23:18.05 | iWiiFromApple | ill the eglibc fork duplicate the manual? |
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| 23:18.21 | iWiiFromApple | Yes, but I won't be when I get home with my Debian install CD. :( |
| 23:18.22 | enouf | no, nobody uses it .. yet :-P |
| 23:18.46 | enouf | then learn torrenting or jigdo or d/l more |
| 23:19.05 | llimeht | dpkg: tell iWiiFromApple about apt-zip |
| 23:19.16 | enouf | do you have wifi that why? |
| 23:19.29 | enouf | !installer firmware |
| 23:19.29 | iWiiFromApple | Time Warner won't let me have Internet access because the jerk that lived there three months ago hasn't canceled his account and never will. :@ |
| 23:19.29 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html , http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html and http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to |
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| 23:19.43 | iWiiFromApple | I have wifi here, but this is far from home. |
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| 23:20.13 | enouf | !+ tell iWiiFromApple -about apt-cdrom |
| 23:20.13 | dpkg | told iWiiFromApple about apt-cdrom. |
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| 23:21.22 | iWiiFromApple | Who knew that someone you rented to has more control over your access to Internet that you, even if you OWN THE HOUSE? |
| 23:21.28 | iWiiFromApple | Sorry. |
| 23:21.58 | enouf | welcome to the tewwowist era Mr Fudd |
| 23:22.08 | pyrohotdog | How can I use the installer rescue mode to make my system boot!? |
| 23:22.19 | enouf | it tells you |
| 23:22.40 | enouf | especially http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 23:22.56 | enouf | (from the factoid earlier) |
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| 23:23.11 | iWiiFromApple | Heh, I didn't know about apt-cdrom. I just edited the config file in /etc/ |
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| 23:23.50 | wrench | Does debian come with sshd? Just installed and can't find it in /etc/init.d |
| 23:24.11 | enouf | judd: versions openssh-server |
| 23:24.12 | judd | enouf: openssh-server -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 lenny: 1:5.1p1-5 sid: 1:5.1p1-5+b1 squeeze: 1:5.1p1-5+b1 |
| 23:24.26 | enouf | judd: versions openssh-common |
| 23:24.28 | judd | enouf: openssh-common -- |
| 23:24.32 | enouf | er |
| 23:25.01 | wrench | Can you tell me how to start the daemon? |
| 23:25.19 | enouf | yes; /etc/init.d/openssh* start |
| 23:25.37 | faffi | why the asterisk |
| 23:25.54 | pyrohotdog | That guide doesn't tell me how to make it boot the system...just how to chroot into it. |
| 23:25.54 | wrench | enouf: thanks |
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| 23:26.08 | Tramp | ? /etc/init.d/ssh start - where is it "openssh"? |
| 23:26.14 | enouf | or .. that |
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| 23:26.31 | enouf | Tramp: not my fault they name the pkgs differentlt |
| 23:26.50 | lfamorim__ | I have this message on boot -> /lib/modules/2.6.29.2/modules.dep does not exits ... bla bla bla |
| 23:26.56 | lfamorim__ | but the file exists ... |
| 23:27.06 | enouf | it;s stupid too - cause; /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd |
| 23:27.21 | lfamorim__ | How can I fix it? |
| 23:27.59 | enouf | i asked ; you never answered == i can't help |
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| 23:29.22 | lfamorim__ | Somebody can help me? |
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| 23:30.24 | enouf | same goes for you pyro |
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| 23:39.30 | paulfm | hey everyone |
| 23:39.40 | paulfm | is anyone familiar with aumix here?... I am seeing a phoneout channel but dont see a cli switch to control the volume... any ideas? |
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| 23:39.43 | boot_loop | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:42.18 | paulfm | PhoneOut isn't even listed in the manual as a viable channel option.. |
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| 23:43.40 | abrotman | boot_loop: you'd probably get more help in #apache .. maybe |
| 23:43.59 | boot_loop | =( I thought so too, that's why I tried there first |
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| 23:44.33 | boot_loop | I've been working on this for a week, and there's got to be a piece of code that's off, but i just can't figure it out |
| 23:45.23 | wrench | is there a debian equivalent to chkconfig util to set a program to start at boot time? |
| 23:45.26 | abrotman | boot_loop: take out the ^ ? |
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| 23:45.30 | [A2K] | hello |
| 23:45.36 | abrotman | erm .. just (.*) |
| 23:45.41 | [A2K] | how can i manualy change deb's version? |
| 23:45.46 | jetx | well there's chkconfig |
| 23:45.54 | jetx | and there's rc-conf and ... |
| 23:45.58 | boot_loop | hmm, ok I' |
| 23:46.02 | boot_loop | ll give that a try |
| 23:46.09 | abrotman | boot_loop: i do something similar with two .. one is (.*) and the other is ^/$ .. course .. the whole thing is wacky :) |
| 23:46.19 | wrench | jetx: oh ok. so i can install chkconfig on debian then. |
| 23:46.26 | abrotman | [A2K]: do what? change a package? or the whole thing? |
| 23:46.44 | jetx | wrench: apt-get install ... i can't swear it's in stable but i think it is.. it's in sid/testing though |
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| 23:46.48 | [A2K] | only package's version |
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| 23:47.00 | llimeht | !wayttd [A2K] |
| 23:47.00 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, [A2K]? |
| 23:47.09 | wrench | jetx: sweet. thanks! |
| 23:47.24 | boot_loop | abrotman: yeah it's wacky for sure |
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| 23:47.42 | abrotman | boot_loop: i rarely make sense ... ask llimeht |
| 23:47.45 | jetx | !runlevel |
| 23:47.45 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc> |
| 23:48.02 | llimeht | !confuse abrotman |
| 23:48.02 | dpkg | No, those is your gouda yesterday, abrotman? lederhosen of the republic of tahiti with extra anchovies |
| 23:48.17 | abrotman | mm .. gouda |
| 23:48.23 | jetx | cheesy |
| 23:48.33 | jetx | ey? |
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| 23:49.23 | boot_loop | damn, none of those configurations worked... |
| 23:50.24 | monkey_d_luffy | I've just installed a new HDD and formated it with gparted. After that I edited fstab and typed "mount -a" but I get an error: mount: mount point /vol_samsung1000GB does not exist BTW, any reason for not having just a single partition in a big hard disk? |
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| 23:51.09 | Wyzard | monkey_d_luffy: Does the /vol_samsung1000GB directory actually exist? |
| 23:51.26 | Wyzard | monkey_d_luffy: mounts go on existing directories; they don't create directories |
| 23:51.55 | monkey_d_luffy | *doh* |
| 23:51.59 | monkey_d_luffy | thanks Wyzard |
| 23:52.06 | Wyzard | :-) |
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| 23:54.21 | Wyzard | Some possible reasons for not using a single big partition: using different mount options or mounting different sets of files in different places, fault isolation (if the filesystem gets corrupted, you only lose the data in that partition), better performance (due to spatial locality) if a certain subset of the files need to be accessed frequently |
| 23:54.48 | epsas | 2/win 6 |
| 23:55.27 | jetx | btw parted has fun with a kernel bug |
| 23:55.38 | faffi | lol |
| 23:55.40 | jetx | man ntfsresize to read about it |
| 23:55.58 | jetx | is a witness |
| 23:56.18 | pobega | monkey_d_luffy: plus, you can use different filesystems on each partition to maximize the speed :D at least, that's how I do it (Google filesystem benchmarks for ideas on how you'd do it) |
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| 23:57.04 | hell_ | hey i remove all files on tmp |
| 23:57.14 | hell_ | and now i take error like |
| 23:57.17 | hell_ | Conf Error: Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, |
| 23:57.22 | hell_ | how can i fix that |
| 23:57.25 | wrench | is there a way to remove the warning message when using sudo? |
| 23:57.37 | Wyzard | hell_: in GNOME, I assume? |
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| 23:57.56 | jetx | yes, just make it NOPASSWD ... then you only see the warning once |
| 23:58.03 | hell_ | yeah gnome |
| 23:58.08 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:58.10 | abrotman | great plan |
| 23:58.14 | jetx | i think it's documented in /etc/sudoers |
| 23:58.17 | Wyzard | hell_: Log out and back in; that should (I think) restart the ORBit daemon so it recreates the socket that you deleted |
| 23:58.24 | wrench | cool |
| 23:58.26 | hell_ | no |
| 23:58.34 | jetx | s/i\ think// |
| 23:58.35 | hell_ | i log out,reboot |
| 23:58.39 | hell_ | nothing fix |
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| 23:59.04 | jetx | iirc it's not the clearest thing in the world though |
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| 23:59.28 | Wyzard | hell_: Files in /tmp don't persist across reboots anyway, so you must have changed something else too |
| 23:59.36 | Wyzard | hell_: Did you change the permissions on /tmp perhaps? |
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| 23:59.44 | hell_ | no |
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| 23:59.48 | jetx | 'some' files are still in /tmp for me, sometimes |
