| 00:00.10 | jetx | but i haven't checked lately |
| 00:00.25 | jetx | i even made my logout rm -r /tmp/* before because of that |
| 00:00.28 | Wyzard | hell_: After you reboot and log in again, are there any directories in /tmp with "orbit" in their names? |
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| 00:00.38 | Wyzard | jetx: You shouldn't do that |
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| 00:00.42 | cire | via samba, some files look like "2AKXVC~F". On linux filesystem they seem to be correct. Also other files, created via touch (also with special chars) are working. The malformed files are created by mencoder. |
| 00:00.45 | hell_ | Wyzard, http://paste.org/7030 |
| 00:00.55 | hell_ | look here |
| 00:01.37 | Wyzard | hell_: Are there files in the /tmp/orbit-hell directory? |
| 00:01.42 | jetx | cire: i dunno but looks like renaming them to 8.3 format should fix |
| 00:02.05 | jetx | cire: you might get a much better response on this in #mplayer |
| 00:02.21 | cire | I have to figure out whether this is a mplayer specific problem. |
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| 00:02.31 | cire | On linux, these files seem to be correct |
| 00:02.42 | jetx | 'looks' like lfn badness |
| 00:02.49 | jmoncayo | dusted: hey buddy |
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| 00:03.12 | jetx | but i know nothing of samba |
| 00:04.19 | jetx | hey jmoncayo he finally showed up? that must have been one hell of a hangover eh |
| 00:04.27 | jmoncayo | dusted: you around |
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| 00:05.56 | swordz | Hi. I've got a very annoying problem with my debian server. When trying to ssh it's initially fine, but when I type user/pass it closes the connection |
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| 00:06.38 | Wyzard | swordz: One possible cause of that would be typing the wrong password... |
| 00:07.00 | swordz | normally it just re-asks |
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| 00:07.07 | path | hi there |
| 00:07.12 | swordz | And I'm certain it's right anyway |
| 00:07.15 | Wyzard | swordz: try ssh -vvv |
| 00:07.26 | path | I'm using 2.6.29-1-amd64 on debian sid |
| 00:07.27 | Wyzard | swordz: That'll give you lots of diagnostic output that may indicate why the connection was closed |
| 00:07.51 | path | but I can't see the battery interface on /proc/ |
| 00:08.03 | path | I've tried modprobe battery && modprobe ac |
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| 00:08.26 | abrotman | moved to /sys/ |
| 00:08.41 | hell_ | Wyzard, http://paste.org/7031 |
| 00:08.53 | path | thanks, I was about to read the changelog abrotman |
| 00:08.57 | Wyzard | path: Look in /sys/class/power_supply |
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| 00:09.12 | path | yes its there |
| 00:09.33 | path | is there a way to know where the module goes? |
| 00:09.34 | Wyzard | hell_: Those are the socket files that applications use to communicate with ORBit |
| 00:09.47 | swordz | user@IP's password: |
| 00:09.47 | swordz | debug3: packet_send2: adding 64 (len 59 padlen 5 extra_pad 64) |
| 00:09.47 | swordz | debug2: we sent a password packet, wait for reply |
| 00:09.47 | swordz | Connection closed by IP |
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| 00:09.49 | Wyzard | hell_: Whatever your problem is, it doesn't seem to be related to having removed the contents of /tmp |
| 00:09.51 | hell_ | hmm |
| 00:09.56 | swordz | sorry... |
| 00:10.11 | hell_ | hmm |
| 00:10.34 | hell_ | i cant find anything usefull on google |
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| 00:11.18 | hell_ | Wyzard, http://paste.org/7032 about that |
| 00:12.01 | hell_ | i plan to remove delete all gconf package and reinstall it |
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| 00:12.13 | VampirePenguin | i installed a box a few months ago before lenny became officially stable, and did a dist-upgrade after it did.... one problem started which would be nice to have a solution on but i dont reboot all that often soooo... when the boot process gets to MTA it hangs for quite a long time maybe a minute or more... any ideas whats going on |
| 00:12.16 | jmoncayo | !seen dusted |
| 00:12.17 | dpkg | dusted is currently on #debian (7h 24m 30s), last said: 'sry,I'm drunk, I should have kicked myself offile long ago :D'. |
| 00:13.21 | dusted | lol, nice last quote |
| 00:14.13 | path | there is something seriously going gron on powertop |
| 00:14.14 | jmoncayo | lol |
| 00:14.15 | jmoncayo | i knoe |
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| 00:14.53 | jmoncayo | dusted: wanted to ask you for some help with teamspeak |
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| 00:15.18 | dusted | sure, go ahead :) |
| 00:15.24 | jetx | like i said, must have been one hell of a hangover |
| 00:15.39 | dusted | jetx, it was a considerable hangover :) |
| 00:15.41 | hell_ | it is not ggod to remove gconf2 |
| 00:15.42 | hell_ | :d |
| 00:16.31 | jetx | always mv stuff until you know you don't need it.. then wait a year |
| 00:16.31 | jmoncayo | dusted: how can did u say i should start teamspeak in x64 machine? amd64 |
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| 00:16.57 | jetx | and 3 years can be too short, for some things |
| 00:17.05 | dusted | jmoncayo, didn't mention that, is there even a 64 bit version? |
| 00:17.37 | jetx | you never need stuff till you get rid of it |
| 00:17.51 | jmoncayo | dusted: you said i needed the ia32libs for emulation |
| 00:18.07 | jmoncayo | thought i mention i had amd64 |
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| 00:19.13 | dusted | jmoncayo, okay, I didn't know that there wasen't a 64 bit version.. I have no experience in running 32 bit apps on 64 bit os.. However, if you can get teamspeak to run by cd'ing into the teamspeak dir and typing ./TeamSpeak |
| 00:19.35 | dusted | then you can use aoss ./TeamSpeak to get it to "work" with alsa (so you can play games/other sound while using TS) |
| 00:19.39 | jetx | what games |
| 00:19.59 | jetx | i mean do you do |
| 00:20.10 | jmoncayo | dusted: i can start ts but i sound is muted |
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| 00:20.40 | el_critter | Hi, anyone using mpath to loadbalance multiple ISPs? |
| 00:20.47 | dusted | jmoncayo, also if you use the aoss script? |
| 00:21.05 | jmoncayo | dusted: ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/$LIB/libaoss.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 00:21.44 | Wyzard | aoss works by preloading a shared library into the program being run, but 32-bit processes can't load 64-bit libraries so it's no surprise if it doesn't work |
| 00:21.51 | dusted | oh, I wonder if it's having problems linking the 64 bit aoss lib to the 32 bit binary |
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| 00:21.59 | jetx | looks like it's trying to access the 64bit /usr/lib to me but i dunno |
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| 00:22.11 | dusted | I think that's the problem |
| 00:22.12 | jmoncayo | how can i fix it |
| 00:22.13 | jetx | what do you get for that env value |
| 00:22.20 | Wyzard | but if it uses OSS, loading the snd-pcm-oss module (which provides /dev/dsp and such) should work |
| 00:22.40 | jmoncayo | it is using the dsp in the ts |
| 00:22.42 | Wyzard | That's kernel-level OSS emulation, so there's no library loading involved |
| 00:22.44 | dusted | Wyzard, yes, but then it blocks, and he can't use an alsa app at the same time? |
| 00:22.48 | Wyzard | ah |
| 00:22.58 | Wyzard | yes, OSS emulation seems to be mutually exclusive with dmix |
| 00:23.04 | jmoncayo | jetx: which env? |
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| 00:23.11 | dusted | Do you think he could use a 32 bit version of the file ? |
| 00:23.14 | Wyzard | It may be possible to change that with asoundrc settings, but I don't know |
| 00:23.16 | jetx | $LIB |
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| 00:23.23 | nozelf | hi I'm using sendmail and now i'll try exim, what's the best MTA? postfix? |
| 00:23.41 | jmoncayo | jetx: there is no env var $lib, should i export it? |
| 00:23.51 | jetx | no i'm reading what you pasted |
| 00:23.56 | hell_ | hey |
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| 00:24.02 | jetx | /usr/$LIB/ |
| 00:24.22 | dusted | $LIB is set within the script |
| 00:24.34 | hell_ | i made updatedb and than i will do locate how can i remove all things that comes from locate something in one time |
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| 00:24.53 | beardy | hell_: locate foo | less |
| 00:24.55 | jetx | ah ok so is it set correctly to the ia32libs or whatever.. (that's the end of my input) |
| 00:25.03 | jmoncayo | yes i tried exporting the LIB but it didnt work either |
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| 00:25.54 | TheDJACR | Irssi proxy lagggggs |
| 00:26.13 | Wyzard | hell_: locate foo | xargs rm |
| 00:26.14 | dusted | jmoncayo, can you do something like ls /usr/lib32/libaoss.so ? |
| 00:26.22 | dusted | I'm not sure if that's where the 32 bit libs should be |
| 00:26.22 | Wyzard | hell_: but you've already learned that carelessly deleting things is a bad idea |
| 00:26.27 | hell_ | what is xargs |
| 00:26.35 | hell_ | yeah |
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| 00:26.49 | jetx | !xargs |
| 00:26.49 | hell_ | i earn some experience |
| 00:26.49 | dpkg | i heard xargs is find's better half. "find . -type d -print | xargs ls -ld" for a trivial example. the -print0 and -0 arguments to find and xargs respectively are very important if your filenames contain spaces: "find . -type d -print0 | xargs -0 ls -ld" |
| 00:26.51 | Wyzard | hell_: it runs a command (in this case "rm") for each file named on its standard input |
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| 00:27.49 | f00li5h | purrs =^_^= |
| 00:27.51 | beardy | A bit careless to even say such a thing in here.. |
| 00:27.53 | Wyzard | hell_: Why do you want to delete all the files found by a "locate" command? |
| 00:27.59 | jmoncayo | dusted: i have it in /usr/lib/ |
| 00:28.07 | hell_ | i reinstalled gconf |
| 00:28.23 | dusted | jmoncayo, yes but that's the 64 bit version |
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| 00:28.27 | hell_ | i think i must delete configuration file in the system |
| 00:28.34 | dusted | you need a 32 bit version for use with the 32 bit program |
| 00:28.41 | jetx | hey how do i tell 'resume' or libgcrypt, not sure which (/scripts/local-premount... resume libgcrypt) that no it can't stat the resume device file /dev/sda4 because there IS no /dev/sda4 anymore |
| 00:28.49 | beardy | hell_: So what exactly is the problem? |
| 00:28.51 | jmoncayo | i dont have it then |
| 00:28.52 | jmoncayo | :( |
| 00:29.05 | dusted | jmoncayo, do sudo updatedb && locate aoss.so |
| 00:29.06 | hell_ | Wyzard, |
| 00:29.16 | hell_ | command is not working for directories |
| 00:29.19 | Wyzard | beardy: he deleted everything in /tmp and now ORBit doesn't work even though the sockets got recreated, and he things that reinstalling gconf and deleting all the gconf configuration files will fix it |
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| 00:29.24 | hell_ | what is the command for directories |
| 00:29.31 | dusted | it will take a while to complete because it will update the search database first |
| 00:29.31 | Wyzard | hell_: rm -r |
| 00:29.37 | Wyzard | hell_: and you're probably breaking things even more |
| 00:29.38 | jmoncayo | dusted: =] i was just doing so |
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| 00:29.50 | dusted | xD |
| 00:29.52 | jmoncayo | dusted: nothing yet |
| 00:29.53 | jmoncayo | =] |
| 00:29.57 | jmoncayo | =[** |
| 00:30.03 | hell_ | Wyzard, i will see |
| 00:30.04 | hell_ | :D |
| 00:30.10 | jetx | move all the gnome directories.. i love to del them. or, mv your homedir and cp a fresh one |
| 00:31.03 | jetx | all you need is .bashrc .bash_profile and one other |
| 00:31.31 | jetx | ah .bashrc and .profile |
| 00:31.43 | hell_ | problem remains same |
| 00:31.50 | jetx | *needs* his .bash_history |
| 00:31.55 | faffi | haha |
| 00:32.17 | Wyzard | hell_: I'm not surprised it didn't help |
| 00:32.23 | faffi | i normally make my .bash_history a symlink to devnull |
| 00:32.24 | hell_ | ehehe |
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| 00:32.30 | hell_ | GConf Error: Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ for information. (Details - 1: Failed to get connection to session: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or |
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| 00:32.30 | hell_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.30 | Wyzard | hell_: I wouldn't be surprised if you broke something else too |
| 00:32.42 | hell_ | i dont know |
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| 00:32.58 | jetx | starting with a clean slate usually fixes everything, for me |
| 00:33.10 | jetx | wtf did you do |
| 00:33.11 | Wyzard | sure, if you understand how to clean the slate |
| 00:33.19 | jetx | oh |
| 00:33.23 | hell_ | what do you mean with clean state |
| 00:33.28 | jetx | slate |
| 00:33.31 | jetx | chalkboard |
| 00:33.32 | hell_ | reboot is clean state ? |
| 00:33.40 | Wyzard | but if you take a wild guess at what the cause of the problem might be, and then go deleting files without knowing what they are or understanding the situation, you're more likely to break things |
| 00:33.41 | hell_ | sorry slate |
| 00:33.46 | jetx | no, i mean a clean homedir |
| 00:33.50 | jetx | ignore me |
| 00:34.18 | hell_ | things can be fixed everytime |
| 00:34.25 | hell_ | not everytime* sometime :D |
| 00:34.29 | jetx | goes to get coffee |
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| 00:34.59 | hell_ | Wyzard, do you have any other advice to me |
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| 00:36.06 | jetx | i have some: do whatever Wyzard says |
| 00:36.08 | jetx | :) |
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| 00:37.07 | Wyzard | hell_: figure out the real reason why orbit isn't working, rather than assuming you need to delete and reinstall your gconf files just because the error message mentioned gconf in a "for more information" URL |
| 00:37.17 | jetx | YES! \o/ |
| 00:37.46 | hell_ | i reinstall my geconf file but problem is here still |
| 00:37.55 | jetx | i have successfully bypassed parted's problems and resized my sata hd!! |
| 00:38.02 | frostschutz | what's a good filesystem to use on a 16GB sdhc card (linux boot + system). journal based ones are probably bad, so should I go for good old ext2? |
| 00:38.28 | Wyzard | hell_: because gconf probably wasn't the problem anyway |
| 00:38.40 | bbelt16ag | hi peeps how do I get my usb hardware to reload, and find my just plugged in usb game controller? |
| 00:38.44 | pipeline | frostschutz: it's not super important - wear leveling prevents premature damage to the card. |
| 00:38.50 | hell_ | yeah i see that |
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| 00:38.55 | hell_ | but what is the problem |
| 00:38.58 | pipeline | frostschutz: worst thing that can happen is bad fragmentation hurts performance. In that case, a dump-restore will fix you up :P |
| 00:39.01 | frostschutz | pipeline: sdhc cards have wear leveling? :-O |
| 00:39.05 | Wyzard | hell_: but now you've deleted some gconf-related files based on a "locate" command -- I don't even know what exactly you deleted, and I'll bet you don't either -- so there's a fair chance you've broken gconf *too* |
| 00:39.07 | hell_ | orbit is not problem gconf is not problem |
| 00:39.10 | pipeline | frostschutz: all modern flash cards have wear leveling |
| 00:39.24 | pipeline | frostschutz: that said wear leveling doesn't prevent the horrible performance in a fragmented flash fs. But that's usually not a concern. |
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| 00:40.06 | jetx | !wear leveling |
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| 00:41.28 | jetx | all right, now i can delete 2 of the 4 backup images i had! |
| 00:41.36 | jetx | they were temp ones |
| 00:42.06 | jetx | now for fglrx :/ |
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| 00:49.34 | Marcelo | I am currently running Elive and trying to switch to Debian 5, is it possible to do the install from elive? |
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| 00:51.57 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips#s-chroot . It is key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <i-g>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 00:52.08 | unixluser | can any of you install gimp on sid x64? there is a webkit dependency that isn't availabe |
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| 00:56.25 | ``mEnEkS | Um |
| 00:56.31 | OMGPLZDNTBAN | i like to touch myself |
| 00:56.40 | ``mEnEkS | I like to fuck bitches with big pussies and small tits |
| 00:56.43 | ``mEnEkS | with big nipples |
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| 00:57.08 | OMGPLZDNTBAN | coffee cup sized nipples/areola? |
| 00:57.37 | ``mEnEkS | I like to fuck bitches with big pussies and small tits |
| 00:57.40 | ``mEnEkS | with big nipples |
| 00:57.53 | ``mEnEkS | and the bitches with obscene birthmarks |
| 00:57.56 | ``mEnEkS | on their ass |
| 00:58.20 | unixluser | orly? |
| 00:58.22 | OMGPLZDNTBAN | i'll stick to niggers and 3 year olds |
| 00:58.23 | OMGPLZDNTBAN | thank you |
| 00:58.27 | unixluser | orly? |
| 00:58.27 | OMGPLZDNTBAN | ORLY? |
| 00:58.29 | ``mEnEkS | yarly |
| 00:58.29 | OMGPLZDNTBAN | YARLY! |
| 00:58.31 | OMGPLZDNTBAN | NO WAI! |
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| 00:58.45 | ``mEnEkS | YEWAI |
| 00:58.46 | liable | !ops ``mEnEkS needs to be silenced |
| 00:58.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: ``mEnEkS needs to be silenced |
| 00:58.47 | OMGPLZDNTBAN | www.ORLY?.YARLY!/NOWAI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111 |
| 00:58.52 | OMGPLZDNTBAN | liable |
| 00:58.54 | unixluser | liable: both of them |
| 00:58.55 | OMGPLZDNTBAN | u fuckin stupid snitch |
| 00:58.57 | OMGPLZDNTBAN | fuckin snitch |
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| 00:59.02 | OMGPLZDNTBAN | snitches |
| 00:59.03 | ``mEnEkS | FUck you |
| 00:59.05 | unixluser | are you high? |
| 00:59.07 | ``mEnEkS | and your silences |
| 00:59.12 | OMGPLZDNTBAN | !ops liable needs to be silenced |
| 00:59.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: omgplzdntban complains about: liable needs to be silenced |
| 00:59.15 | OMGPLZDNTBAN | !ops liable needs to be silenced |
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| 00:59.22 | ``mEnEkS | !ops liable needs to be silenced |
| 00:59.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ``meneks complains about: liable needs to be silenced |
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| 00:59.41 | OMGPLZDNTBAN | !ops liable needs to be silenced |
| 00:59.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: omgplzdntban complains about: liable needs to be silenced |
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| 00:59.48 | callas | what did I do? |
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| 00:59.56 | unixluser | callas: you're next! |
| 00:59.57 | liable | cheers |
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| 01:02.08 | unixluser | gimp from sid requires webkit.. which isn't avalable |
| 01:02.16 | abrotman | yet |
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| 01:02.40 | unixluser | is there something comparable that i can use in the meantime |
| 01:02.55 | streuner_ | no |
| 01:02.59 | unixluser | that doesn't have cryptic navigation |
| 01:03.04 | unixluser | ah okay :( |
| 01:03.13 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:03.54 | unixluser | why'd they bump gimp when one if it's dependencies will be tentatively added |
| 01:04.05 | Marcelo | does anyone know how to install debian 5 from elive |
| 01:04.07 | Marcelo | ? |
| 01:04.17 | gravity | unixluser: It's because webkit needs to be rebuilt |
| 01:04.19 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 01:04.19 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips#s-chroot . It is key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <i-g>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 01:04.24 | gravity | unixluser: See the debian-release list archives |
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| 01:04.54 | unixluser | i always thought ewbkit was a web backend |
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| 01:05.00 | shadow98 | hey guys getting this error on apt-get install php5-imagick -> php5-imagick: Depends: libmagickcore1 but it is not going to be installed |
| 01:05.04 | unixluser | why would an image manipulator need it? |
| 01:05.21 | abrotman | we were guessing for the documentation |
| 01:05.27 | abrotman | could be wrong |
| 01:05.43 | unixluser | yikes |
| 01:05.52 | unixluser | well, at least documentation will be improved |
| 01:05.58 | unixluser | though it's kind ofa silly showstopper, right? |
| 01:05.59 | abrotman | you could ask the packager |
| 01:06.10 | unixluser | nah, it's okay. i found the bug entries |
| 01:06.26 | abrotman | it's unstable .. if you want your stuff to work, don't run unstable |
| 01:06.47 | unixluser | meh. i don't use it often enough to complain |
| 01:06.59 | gravity | Don't ask the packager |
| 01:07.00 | unixluser | just thought it odd that they hurriedly bumped gimp |
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| 01:07.28 | gravity | The problem isn't in gimp. It's webkit. |
| 01:07.35 | gravity | It's not even in webkit really. |
| 01:07.36 | abrotman | blames the internet |
| 01:07.53 | gravity | So asking why the gimp was "bumped" is silly |
| 01:07.54 | dalias | has gimp been fixed? |
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| 01:08.12 | unixluser | its webkit that needs 'fixing' |
| 01:08.28 | Wyzard | epiphany is switching to a webkit backend too, upstream |
| 01:08.36 | Wyzard | I'm not sure what the current state of that is, though |
| 01:08.38 | abrotman | shadow98: what happens if you try to install libmagickcore1 ? |
| 01:08.39 | dalias | well gimp depending on a nonexistant package is a problem.... |
| 01:08.45 | unixluser | but epiph makes more sense |
| 01:08.47 | dalias | and i doubt webkit should even be essential for gimp |
| 01:08.49 | abrotman | Wyzard: already available in lenny .. and kasahezehhsue also |
| 01:08.52 | dalias | optional if useful at all... |
| 01:09.12 | abrotman | can't believe this many people use gimp on a daily basis |
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| 01:09.39 | dalias | i use gimp for serious work |
| 01:09.48 | abrotman | on unstable .. |
| 01:09.54 | Wyzard | abrotman: not the current modular design... the plan was to switch to webkit *exclusively*, and drop gecko support |
| 01:09.55 | shadow98 | libmagickcore1: Depends: libgraphviz4 (>= 2.20.0) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 01:10.12 | dalias | abrotman, sadly, there's enough software that's unusable except in unstable |
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| 01:10.14 | abrotman | Wyzard: i know |
| 01:10.21 | dalias | or at least there was when i first setup my box |
| 01:10.34 | abrotman | shadow98: put `apt-cache policy` in a paste.debian.net |
| 01:10.53 | Wyzard | but in sid, epiphany-browser is still a dummy that pulls in epiphany-gecko, and epiphany-plugins depends on epiphany-gecko so the plugins can't be used with webkit |
| 01:11.08 | abrotman | i know .. i tried to use it |
| 01:11.12 | abrotman | and kashaudchkue |
| 01:11.23 | abrotman | but that was totally unusable with webkit |
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| 01:11.50 | Wyzard | I tried epiphany-webkit once, about half a year ago... it seemed to mostly work, except I couldn't close tabs |
| 01:11.50 | unixluser | that's the thing. why not just disable documentation |
| 01:12.03 | abrotman | epiphany-webkit is fine .. but the plugins don't work |
| 01:12.17 | abrotman | unixluser: i said "maybe" .. go read some docs and find out why it's being required |
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| 01:12.26 | shadow98 | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/35469/ |
| 01:12.32 | unixluser | abrotman: wasn't addressing you.. had my irc buffer to high up |
| 01:12.39 | unixluser | just came back from fetching the mail |
| 01:12.47 | abrotman | shadow98: ask #ubuntu, this channel is for Debian support |
| 01:12.48 | unixluser | :) |
| 01:15.22 | wrench | I'm getting this error about zlib when i try to install rails on lenny: "gem_original_require: no such file to load --zlib" but I've installed every damn zlib related package i could find. Any ideas? |
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| 01:16.02 | unixluser | wrench: make sure zlib.so is in the right path |
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| 01:16.33 | eurythmia | I downloaded the linux-kernel-2.6.30-rc4 source code, extracted it and ran "make-kpkg clean;make-kpkg kernel_source", installed the resulting kernel_source*.deb package, unzipped the source in /usr/src, configured (using make menuconfig), and compiled using "fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image", and installed the resulting package. Unfortunately, when I boot up, the kernel dies and complains ... it turns out |
| 01:16.33 | eurythmia | that no initrd was built or installed in /boot . I got my instructions from here (http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch08s06.html), can anyone help me troubleshoot this? |
| 01:17.01 | wrench | unixluser: how can i tell if the path is right? |
| 01:17.19 | unixluser | wrench: you can do an strace |
| 01:17.29 | unixluser | wrench: locate zlib.so first |
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| 01:17.56 | abrotman | wrench: including the -dev ? |
| 01:18.03 | wrench | abrotman: yes |
| 01:18.14 | abrotman | wrench: is it a binary? ldd might help |
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| 01:18.22 | wrench | unixluser: locate gave me this: /usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/zlib.so |
| 01:18.24 | wrench | /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/i486-linux/zlib.so |
| 01:18.44 | abrotman | cute |
| 01:19.05 | abrotman | wrench: which version of debian ? |
| 01:19.14 | wrench | lenny. latest stable |
| 01:19.35 | unixluser | hehe juxtaposition |
| 01:19.38 | abrotman | wrench: what does ldd say ? anything useful ? |
| 01:19.55 | wrench | abrotman: checking |
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| 01:20.35 | wrench | abrotman: just use ldd zlib.so? |
| 01:20.46 | wrench | never used ldd |
| 01:21.02 | abrotman | on the binary .. if it is |
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| 01:23.03 | wrench | i compiled ruby from source |
| 01:23.14 | wrench | but then i installed it using apt-get trying to fix the bug |
| 01:23.22 | wrench | maybe i should remove one or the other? |
| 01:23.24 | dalias | ... |
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| 01:23.34 | dalias | where did you install it when you compiled from source? |
| 01:23.41 | wrench | /usr/local/src |
| 01:23.54 | dalias | not where did you compile it |
| 01:24.01 | dalias | where did you install it _to_ ? |
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| 01:24.05 | wrench | no idea |
| 01:24.07 | dalias | /usr/local ? |
| 01:24.13 | wrench | i did not specify |
| 01:24.15 | dalias | ok then yeah probably |
| 01:24.23 | dalias | i would remove the one you compiled |
| 01:24.29 | unixluser | most likely ruby is searching in /usr/local path |
| 01:24.39 | dalias | it sounds like you shouldnt be compiling stuff yourself if you don't know where you're installing it to :) |
| 01:24.41 | unixluser | strace would tell you that |
| 01:24.51 | stew | why did nobody silence liable as requested? |
| 01:24.57 | stew | :P |
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| 01:25.37 | unixluser | anyone know who the most active op in oftc chan is? |
| 01:25.42 | ErrantEgo | stew: you think THAT was bad? |
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| 01:25.51 | ErrantEgo | stew: heh, you should have been in the channel it reports to |
| 01:26.17 | unixluser | ErrantEgo: which one was that? |
| 01:26.27 | unixluser | wait, was it a bot (or two)? |
| 01:26.27 | ErrantEgo | it took place in ##linux |
| 01:26.31 | liable | i am being quiet already! |
| 01:26.47 | ErrantEgo | he just abused the ever living shit out of !ops |
| 01:27.15 | unixluser | i wonder if !ops can be done privately |
| 01:27.28 | unixluser | that's what triggered it's reaction here |
| 01:28.03 | ErrantEgo | he did !ops at LEAST 60 seperate times |
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| 01:28.18 | ErrantEgo | between #debian, ##linux, and #freenode |
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| 01:28.42 | liable | crazy kids |
| 01:29.03 | unixluser | bored and driven to desperation |
| 01:29.22 | unixluser | soon to be suicide statistics |
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| 01:31.37 | wrench | dalias: how can i remove the ruby that i compiled? |
| 01:31.56 | dalias | hmm... can someone help wrench ? |
| 01:32.02 | wrench | just deleting the dir in /usr/local/src won't catch it all right? |
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| 01:32.44 | wrench | will make uninstall in the dir do the trick? |
| 01:32.57 | dalias | possibly |
| 01:33.06 | dalias | if ruby has a 'make uninstall' then yes it should work |
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| 01:33.19 | rubyat | wrench: remove /usr/lib/ruby |
| 01:33.27 | dalias | eh? |
| 01:33.32 | dalias | i think he installed it in /usr/local |
| 01:33.35 | dalias | not /usr |
| 01:33.42 | dalias | if he didn't override --prefix |
| 01:33.52 | rubyat | oh |
| 01:34.09 | liable | have a look in the makefile to see where it installed stuff |
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| 01:34.31 | wrench | looks in makefile |
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| 01:37.49 | eurythmia | I found my answer, it was located here (http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-building) rather than in the d-i.alioth.debian.org docs |
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| 01:42.21 | eurythmia | I think dpkg's "kernel compile" factoid should contain links to "http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-kernel-org-package" and/or "http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-building" instead of just "http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage", because the latter is not applicable to most users. |
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| 01:44.59 | abrotman | most users aren't rebuilding their kernel |
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| 01:45.25 | fluffy_man | hi, i am getting "too many open files" but all examples how to rise limit are for older kernels. Does 2.4v examples still true for 2.6? |
| 01:45.33 | fluffy_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.45 | fluffy_man | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
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| 01:46.22 | dalias | raising the max beyond 1024 will cause buffer overflow vulns in apps which use select() :) |
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| 01:46.54 | \amethyst | err |
| 01:46.59 | \amethyst | those are two different limits |
| 01:47.07 | dalias | no you misunderstand |
| 01:47.08 | fluffy_man | i use epoll |
| 01:47.24 | dalias | the FD_SET macro has no guard against writing beyond the end of the fd_set |
| 01:47.35 | \amethyst | fluffy_man: are you talking about the per-process limit or the system-wide total opan files limit? |
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| 01:47.47 | dalias | so if your program ever obtains a file descriptor >1024 and uses that as an argument to the FD_SET macro |
| 01:47.56 | Manoj | abrotman: but most of the users who are building kernels are not building official kernels |
| 01:48.02 | dalias | it will clobber memory (usually on the stack) |
| 01:48.29 | fluffy_man | my bind9 kicks clients if they hit more then ~300 simultaneous queries |
| 01:48.29 | abrotman | Manoj: i realize that .. guess the wiki page shuld have the alioth link |
| 01:48.53 | abrotman | eurythmia: edit the wiki to have that link |
| 01:49.01 | dalias | the only way around it is recompiling libc and all your apps with a larger fd_set size.. |
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| 01:50.10 | eurythmia | abrotman, I see. I'll take a look at it in a bit. |
| 01:50.13 | eurythmia | thanks |
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| 01:54.08 | Ax3 | how can I completely remove mysql-server and start over? seems i had a bad installation of it |
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| 01:54.18 | abrotman | purge it |
| 01:55.08 | Ax3 | I did dpkg --purge mysql-server |
| 01:55.40 | Ax3 | then |
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| 01:55.45 | abrotman | which files do you want to get rid of? |
| 01:55.54 | Ax3 | I did apt-get install mysql-server, and mysql folder wasn't recreated in /etc |
| 01:55.59 | Ax3 | :\ |
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| 01:56.09 | Ax3 | i want a completely fresh install |
| 01:56.12 | jetx | !conf-miss |
| 01:56.17 | jetx | !confmiss |
| 01:56.18 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 01:56.19 | Ax3 | i can't even login to mysql anymore |
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| 01:56.47 | abrotman | i think you want the -common package |
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| 01:57.02 | fluffy_man | ulimit -n 4096 #solved my pproblem, but there is no man page for ulimit ... i don't even know what does it do L:(( |
| 01:57.06 | Ax3 | whatever brings it back to life |
| 01:57.19 | jetx | !ulimit |
| 01:57.48 | \amethyst | fluffy_man: help ulimit and man setrlimit |
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| 01:57.51 | jetx | nobody knows |
| 01:57.58 | jetx | cept... |
| 01:58.20 | Ax3 | im confused by the bot |
| 01:58.30 | Ax3 | which command do I do? |
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| 01:58.50 | jetx | listen to abrotman |
| 01:59.29 | Ax3 | it says mysql-common is already the newest version |
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| 01:59.36 | \amethyst | Ax3: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall mysql-common |
| 01:59.39 | Ax3 | so do I do: dpkg --purge mysql-coomon ? |
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| 01:59.46 | \amethyst | Ax3: you left out the '--reinstall' it sounds like |
| 01:59.53 | Ax3 | ok one moment |
| 02:00.21 | Ax3 | ok the mysql folder is back |
| 02:00.24 | Ax3 | let me try to login |
| 02:00.43 | Wyzard | regarding confmiss, how often does anyone ever delete config files and want them to stay gone? |
| 02:00.58 | jetx | not me |
| 02:01.08 | Ax3 | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 02:01.19 | Wyzard | seems like a strange assumption for dpkg to make |
| 02:01.21 | abrotman | Wyzard: you mean manually delete vs purge ? |
| 02:01.38 | Wyzard | abrotman: I mean when a package is not purged but one of its conffiles is missing |
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| 02:01.51 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's so you can get pristine ones back ? |
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| 02:02.12 | fluffy_man | Thank you! |
| 02:02.16 | jetx | oh probably lots of that going on Wyzard |
| 02:02.21 | Ax3 | any ideas fellas? i thought this was supposed to be a fresh install.... |
| 02:02.24 | jetx | most ppl probably don't --purge |
| 02:02.28 | Wyzard | dpkg assumes that if a conffile is missing, you want it gone... I can't think of any situation where that would be true |
| 02:02.28 | dpkg | Wyzard: okay |
| 02:02.33 | abrotman | Ax3: \amethyst gave you the exact command |
| 02:02.38 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 02:02.39 | jetx | lol |
| 02:02.40 | liable | heh |
| 02:02.48 | Ax3 | I did the command, it won't start |
| 02:02.52 | jetx | !forget assumes that if a conffile |
| 02:02.52 | dpkg | i forgot assumes that if a conffile, jetx |
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| 02:03.07 | Wyzard | hehe, oops |
| 02:03.21 | Wyzard | didn't know that "assumes" was considered a command |
| 02:03.22 | jetx | Ax3: the pw would have been reset, i think |
| 02:03.28 | \amethyst | Wyzard: 'is' is the command :) |
| 02:03.29 | jetx | it's the 'is' |
| 02:03.30 | Ax3 | the service won't start |
| 02:03.31 | Ax3 | at all |
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| 02:03.49 | jetx | --purge mysql* imo but i know nothing |
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| 02:03.54 | jetx | don't listen to me |
| 02:03.58 | Wyzard | anyway, it seems to me that if a conffile is missing, it's pretty much always a problem that I want to fix |
| 02:04.17 | Wyzard | so --force-confmiss ought to be the default behavior IMO |
| 02:04.27 | amitz | Ax3: I'm just following you but maybe you want to force install, which is an install that replaces everything as if it's the first install? |
| 02:04.37 | jetx | wouldn't most proggies bork if they look for their config and can't find it? unless they know the default |
| 02:04.41 | Ax3 | im up for anything |
| 02:04.44 | Ax3 | i really need to get this to work |
| 02:04.45 | \amethyst | Wyzard: e.g. if I want to disable an emacs script from being loaded automatically, I would remove /etc/emacs/site-start.d/scriptname.el |
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| 02:04.56 | jetx | chmod -x it |
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| 02:06.53 | Ax3 | amitz, I tried aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall mysql-common |
| 02:06.59 | Ax3 | i also tried aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall mysql-server |
| 02:07.00 | luke3321 | Hey guys, got a good question for you, I just used the system update, and it removed synaptic and aptitude and apt-get wants to autoremove somewhere around 80 packages.. Any Ideas? |
| 02:07.03 | Ax3 | still can't start the service |
| 02:07.04 | Ax3 | :( |
| 02:07.19 | jetx | don't let it if you don't want them to be uninstalled |
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| 02:07.42 | jetx | purge them all! nuke it from orbit! |
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| 02:07.48 | jetx | reinstall! |
| 02:07.57 | luke3321 | jetx: Yes, I can get around that, but I would like synaptic back.... |
| 02:08.21 | Wyzard | luke3321: that means they were autoinstalled because something used to depend on them, but it no longer does |
| 02:08.31 | jetx | well theoretically you could always reinstall it, but i dunno |
| 02:08.38 | gravity | I think there's a conflict with the new apt and they need to be rebuilt |
| 02:08.44 | gravity | Or something similar |
| 02:08.46 | jetx | sometimes that happens to me but only lately |
| 02:08.49 | jetx | damn kids |
| 02:08.51 | Wyzard | luke3321: If there's a package that aptitude wants to autoremove but you don't want it removed, take off the auto flag so aptitude knows to keep it |
| 02:09.04 | jetx | ah |
| 02:09.08 | amitz | Ax3: oh, I was referring to apt-get -f install mysql-common mysql-server . But it will destroy your configruation files. Don't know about those you mentioned. |
| 02:09.10 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Yes, but some of the packages are file-roller |
| 02:09.17 | luke3321 | And I like those... |
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| 02:09.18 | Ax3 | amitz, i'll try that now |
| 02:09.49 | jetx | i too used to depend on file-roller |
| 02:09.49 | Ax3 | didn't do anything |
| 02:10.03 | Wyzard | luke3321: On my system, file-roller is autoinstalled as a dependency of gnome-desktop-environment |
| 02:10.04 | Ax3 | both "already the newest version" |
| 02:10.11 | Ax3 | "1 not fully installed or removed" |
| 02:10.20 | Wyzard | luke3321: Is gnome-desktop-environment one of the packages that's currently installed but aptitude wants to remove? |
| 02:10.31 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Lemme check the status of that package |
| 02:10.32 | jetx | i think that is testing? |
| 02:11.13 | jetx | i had just installed kde* in lenny, and tried to install something else.. i wasn't paying attention. kde* went byebye |
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| 02:11.26 | jetx | no it was gnome |
| 02:11.37 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Nope, Its allready at its newest version.. |
| 02:12.18 | Wyzard | luke3321: It's installed now, but is it one of the packages that aptitude wants to remove? |
| 02:12.20 | frazras | how do I find what ttyUSB device number my USB device is atached to? |
| 02:12.48 | Wyzard | luke3321: sometimes during a transition, aptitude will try to remove some top-level package to resolve a transition-related conflict, and that removal leads to removal of lots of autoinstalled dependencies as well |
| 02:13.05 | luke3321 | Wyzard: You are right, It wants to remove it |
| 02:13.15 | Wyzard | luke3321: so when you see aptitude wanting to remove lots of packages, look at the dependencies to see what the root of that dependency tree is |
| 02:13.28 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Nice thing to know, thanks |
| 02:13.32 | Wyzard | luke3321: in this case, gnome-desktop-environment may be the root... can you tell why aptitude wants to remove that? |
| 02:13.40 | Ax3 | any ideas gurus? :) |
| 02:14.24 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Its not immediately obvious.... But I have an Idea, let me check it |
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| 02:16.55 | luke3321 | Wyzard: I think it might have to do with the fact that I have the version of my linux-image locked in |
| 02:17.08 | Wyzard | luke3321: kernel versions shouldn't have anything to do with gnome packages |
| 02:17.26 | Wyzard | There's no dependency relationship between them |
| 02:17.49 | luke3321 | Wyzard: The reason I suspect this is that the package manager has been acting funky ever since i locked the version |
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| 02:18.52 | Wyzard | luke3321: Run aptitude in interactive mode, press 'U' to mark upgrades -- this should mark gnome-desktop-environment for removal -- then highlight gnome-desktop-environment in the package list and see what it says about dependencies in the bottom pane |
| 02:19.28 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Sounds like a plan, but the update took care of aptitude |
| 02:19.33 | luke3321 | All I have left is apt-get |
| 02:19.41 | Ax3 | still no luck getting mysql to start, have I done the steps out of order? |
| 02:19.45 | Wyzard | What happens if you apt-get install aptitude? |
| 02:20.01 | jetx | apt-get install dist-upgrade |
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| 02:20.31 | jetx | aptitude is important, it should be pulled in along with other stuff if needed |
| 02:20.59 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Complains about unmet dependencies, http://pastebin.com/m1aa24dd0 |
| 02:21.18 | jetx | sounds like time for my plan |
| 02:21.31 | luke3321 | jetx: A reinstall? |
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| 02:21.38 | Wyzard | luke3321: apt-get install aptitude libept0 |
| 02:21.48 | jetx | no apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:21.54 | jetx | or maybe apt-get -f install |
| 02:22.01 | jetx | but Wyzard is smarter |
| 02:22.03 | Wyzard | luke3321: When it says a package is "not going to be installed", put that package in the install command (to force aptitude to try to install it) and you'll get messages about why it can't |
| 02:22.05 | buddy` | hello, i can't subscribe maillist at http://lists.debian.org/cgi-bin/subscribe.pl ,any alternative options? |
| 02:22.06 | jetx | listen to him first |
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| 02:22.28 | orangey | hey all! |
| 02:22.40 | abrotman | buddy`: why not? |
| 02:22.42 | orangey | I'm trying to install a driver (martian-modem), but I keep getting: error: asm/page.h: No such file or directory |
| 02:22.50 | orangey | despite linux-headers and source being installed |
| 02:22.53 | luke3321 | Wyzard: I just complains about the other package.. Look back at the pastebin, I posted it |
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| 02:23.00 | jetx | !b-e |
| 02:23.01 | dpkg | [build-essential] a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
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| 02:23.22 | buddy` | abrotman:that page cant reach |
| 02:23.29 | herrkin | hj people |
| 02:23.34 | herrkin | I mean hi |
| 02:23.35 | orangey | jetx was that for me? |
| 02:23.47 | jetx | yep |
| 02:23.56 | jetx | not sure if it wil fix your problem |
| 02:23.58 | Wyzard | luke3321: I don't see anything different at http://pastebin.com/m1aa24dd0 |
| 02:23.58 | orangey | jetx: build-essential is long installed |
| 02:24.04 | jetx | nm then |
| 02:24.06 | abrotman | buddy`: i can reach it here |
| 02:24.10 | herrkin | hey I need to unrar some files, i have googled it and all it says is that I have to install rar and unrar |
| 02:24.11 | orangey | jetx: any other thoughts? |
| 02:24.14 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Look at the packages it wants |
| 02:24.16 | jetx | no |
| 02:24.19 | jetx | not my thing |
| 02:24.23 | herrkin | then unrar x file.part1.rar |
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| 02:24.52 | Stanlin | yellow |
| 02:24.59 | Wyzard | luke3321: you mean "libept0 (>= 0.5.22) but it is not going to be installed" ? |
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| 02:25.02 | herrkin | I did it but it doesnt work, unrar gives an error "not a rar file" that sux |
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| 02:25.39 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Okay, maybe you cant see the change, here is a new post http://pastebin.com/m5114d836 |
| 02:26.20 | jetx | herrkin: there used to be some rar version that rar-free couldn't do, you needed the -non-free... that was a while ago though |
| 02:26.34 | Wyzard | luke3321: OK, so it can't find something satisfying the libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 dependency |
| 02:26.42 | jetx | -f ? |
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| 02:27.06 | Iradieh | if I got two partitions one / and other /home and I do a tar / (excluding stuff like /proc and etc) will it restore/backup /home as well? |
| 02:27.10 | buddy` | abrotman:should i check some boxes at http://www.debian.net/MailingLists/subscribe ,i didn't toggle any there and just inputed my email address and click subscribe |
| 02:27.15 | Wyzard | luke3321: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 is a virtual package which is provided by the "apt" package (I found this by looking up libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 in aptitude) |
| 02:27.16 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Apparently so |
| 02:27.34 | Wyzard | luke3321: what's the state of your "apt" package? |
| 02:27.54 | jetx | man tar, it doesn't go across different fs's by default i 'think' but i don't know tar.. read the manpage a few times-ish |
| 02:27.57 | luke3321 | Wyzard: How do you check the state of a package in apt-get.. im so used to aptitude |
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| 02:28.06 | jetx | read |
| 02:28.07 | Wyzard | luke3321: dpkg -s apt |
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| 02:28.19 | abrotman | buddy`: i've never used that page .. i subscribed from the list page .. like lists.debian.org/debian-user |
| 02:28.41 | luke3321 | Status: install OK installed |
| 02:29.18 | Wyzard | luke3321: what version? |
| 02:29.19 | Iradieh | if I got two partitions one / and other /home and I do a tar / (excluding stuff like /proc and etc) will it restore/backup /home as well? Or does someone know how I can read a .tar file to see if my /home is there? No GUI, just bash |
| 02:29.31 | luke3321 | 0.7.20.2+squeeze1 |
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| 02:30.04 | dalias | it WILL include /home unless you specifically pass the option telling tar not to cross filesystem boundaries |
| 02:30.16 | dalias | you can list the files in a tar with this command: |
| 02:30.26 | dalias | tar tf foo.tar |
| 02:30.28 | buddy` | abrotman:do you mean http://lists.debian.org/debian-user ? well, it is unreachable also, so how can i subcribe maillist then? |
| 02:30.34 | dalias | but it will be fairly slow since tar has no index |
| 02:30.40 | Iradieh | dalias: ah |
| 02:30.42 | dalias | listing the files requires reading the WHOLE thing |
| 02:30.50 | Iradieh | but then I'll just take your word for it and /home is included |
| 02:31.06 | dalias | better check for yourself if it's *really* important :) |
| 02:31.12 | Wyzard | luke3321: hmm, packages.debian.org says the version of apt in testing is 0.7.20.2, no mention of "+squeeze1" |
| 02:31.13 | Iradieh | dalias: does that mean that it will even do tar on a /mnt/* mounted harddrives? |
| 02:31.15 | abrotman | buddy`: that URL works fine here |
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| 02:31.21 | Wyzard | luke3321: What does "apt-cache policy apt" say? |
| 02:31.26 | dalias | iradieh, yes |
| 02:31.30 | Iradieh | dalias: AH FUCK |
| 02:31.32 | amitz | Ax3: how about apt-get -f purge mysql ? |
| 02:31.46 | Iradieh | dalias: I mean thanks, but ehm I screwed up. |
| 02:31.47 | jetx | -f purge? |
| 02:31.48 | Ax3 | amitz, i think i got it working |
| 02:32.01 | dalias | :) |
| 02:32.06 | Wyzard | Iradieh: tar doesn't know anything about mounts; directories are directories |
| 02:32.08 | dalias | i would do like this |
| 02:32.09 | luke3321 | Wyzard: http://pastebin.com/m150e70af |
| 02:32.11 | Ax3 | amitz, i did a few more reinstalls, then i ran mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables |
| 02:32.15 | Ax3 | reset the password |
| 02:32.19 | Ax3 | the restarted mysld |
| 02:32.26 | dalias | tar cf foo.tar bin lib home etc var ... |
| 02:32.28 | Iradieh | Wyzard: cool.. I just exclude that then, and /media |
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| 02:32.31 | Ax3 | wasn't as graceful as im discribing it |
| 02:32.33 | Ax3 | but |
| 02:32.35 | Ax3 | it worked |
| 02:32.39 | dalias | i.e. manually name the dirs and files under / that you want to include |
| 02:32.50 | amitz | Ax3: oh, you mean you want to keep existing database? That will be tough. Nice to have it working then :-). |
| 02:32.57 | Iradieh | dalias: or just manualle exclude other dirs.. |
| 02:33.20 | dalias | that works too |
| 02:33.26 | abrotman | buddy`: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subunsub .. subscribe via email |
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| 02:34.04 | Nappz | Is there any nice mailserver like axigen but free? |
| 02:34.07 | Wyzard | luke3321: OK, so a security update... I'm surprised that's not reflected on http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/apt |
| 02:34.08 | Iradieh | How does it work then when I want to restore the backup, I boot a live cd and just restore it? WIll it know that /home and / are two different partitions when restoring, is that stated somewhere? |
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| 02:34.14 | type_generic | so yeah, I need to completley delete all old ssh keys, any ideas? |
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| 02:34.37 | Wyzard | luke3321: anyway, it sounds like the apt package is properly installed |
| 02:35.15 | Wyzard | luke3321: Run "apt-cache show apt" and see if it says "Provides: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6" in the entry for version 0.7.20.2+squeeze1 |
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| 02:36.19 | luke3321 | Wyzard: libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6-4.6 |
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| 02:36.27 | luke3321 | Just my luck.. the package is too new... |
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| 02:37.48 | Wyzard | luke3321: so you have a current version of apt, but your system only knows about older versions of the aptitude and libept0 packages that were built for an older version of apt |
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| 02:38.58 | Wyzard | luke3321: I'm guessing that maybe there's an apt transition going on in testing right now, so the new version of apt is available but the matching newer version of aptitude and libept0 aren't available yet |
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| 02:39.37 | Wyzard | luke3321: so when you upgraded, you let aptitude be removed to allow the apt upgrade to proceed |
| 02:39.58 | type_generic | so there is no way to clear all generated ssh keys? |
| 02:40.21 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Shouldnt I just be able to force version back down out of the security update until aptitude catches up? |
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| 02:41.02 | Wyzard | luke3321: maybe, but there might be other dependencies involved (other packages that need the newer apt) and downgrades are unsupported and can't be done automatically |
| 02:41.16 | Nappz | Are there any all around good mail servers for a business that use IMAP/SMTP and have a nice admin interface but are free? |
| 02:41.26 | Wyzard | luke3321: You could grab the newer aptitude and libept0 from sid, or just wait a few days and they should hopefully show up in testing |
| 02:41.33 | buddy` | abrotman:maybe sth goes wrong, thanks all the same |
| 02:41.46 | abrotman | or don't subscribe by email |
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| 02:41.56 | abrotman | Wyzard: yes, an apt transition |
| 02:42.22 | abrotman | or at least needs to bve recompiled |
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| 02:42.36 | Wyzard | luke3321: In the future, look cafefully before letting apt go ahead with an upgrade -- if it wants to remove important things, stop and investigate before you let it proceed :-) |
| 02:43.08 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Funny thing is, I didnt even see it mention apt in the update until it removed aptitude... |
| 02:43.26 | buddy` | well, any sugesstions for a tool to browse sources? |
| 02:43.36 | abrotman | sources of what? |
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| 02:43.53 | buddy` | sources of linux kernel,etc |
| 02:44.24 | luke3321 | Wyzard: But there is not way to back down out of the new version of apt? |
| 02:44.40 | mick_laptop | if i want to debug php --can i use the apache .deb and compile php from source? or do i need to compile both from source? |
| 02:45.02 | dalias | debug php? |
| 02:45.07 | mick_laptop | i saw php5-dbg -- but i want to see if this bug is in the latest stable |
| 02:45.10 | mick_laptop | dalias: yes |
| 02:45.14 | dalias | you mean you think the php package itself has bugs in it and you want to debug it? |
| 02:45.19 | mick_laptop | yes |
| 02:45.21 | Wyzard | luke3321: You could download the older .deb and install it manually with "dpkg -i" |
| 02:45.22 | dalias | ah |
| 02:45.44 | Wyzard | luke3321: but I wouldn't recommend it, for the reasons I mentioned a few minutes ago |
| 02:45.54 | mick_laptop | php crashes apache on a piece of code that i'm working on |
| 02:45.59 | luke3321 | Wyzard: What were those? |
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| 02:47.33 | Wyzard | luke3321: downgrades aren't supported -- you can tell dpkg to install an older .deb and it will dutifully copy the files into place, but sometimes there are other changes that aren't really reversible -- data files in new formats that the older code doesn't support that sort of thing |
| 02:47.38 | mick_laptop | so should i use the tarballs for both? |
| 02:47.41 | Wyzard | luke3321: probably not a problem in this case, but I don't know |
| 02:47.57 | scorch | I wan't to change my umask every time I log on. Should I put it in .bashrc? |
| 02:48.06 | Wyzard | luke3321: and there may be other packages that depend on the newer version of apt you have installed, which would also need to be manually downgraded |
| 02:48.19 | scorch | because if I do, it won't change, as if the .bashrc never gets read |
| 02:48.27 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Ah, I see, well Ill go with the sid versions of those two packages then |
| 02:48.28 | mick_laptop | maybe i should just get the debugging smbols and seeif it crashes -- later on i can try the most recent version of php |
| 02:48.41 | dalias | scorch, make sure your .bash_profile includes ". ~/.bashrc" as one of its lines |
| 02:48.43 | scorch | rightk, sorry, never mind |
| 02:48.49 | scorch | I don't use bash :) |
| 02:48.53 | dalias | so that everything in bashrc gets run as part of both login and nonlogin shells |
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| 02:50.46 | luke3321 | Wyzard: No can do, still wrong version of apt |
| 02:51.02 | luke3321 | Wyzard: I am debating a complete reinstall right now... |
| 02:51.56 | Wyzard | luke3321: well, sid does have a newer version of the apt package, though it provides the same version of that libapt-pkg virtual |
| 02:52.02 | Wyzard | You could try upgrading that too |
| 02:52.12 | Wyzard | but the safest thing to do is just to wait until the transition is done |
| 02:52.14 | orangey | hmmm. |
| 02:52.20 | Wyzard | They usually only last a few days |
| 02:52.36 | orangey | how can I figure out where a header is being loaded from. i.e., in asm-generic/types.h: No such file or directory |
| 02:52.41 | orangey | how do I debug where it's trying to get the file? |
| 02:52.55 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Wonderful. A few days without aptitude... |
| 02:53.15 | Wyzard | luke3321: no big deal if it's a few days without doing upgrades anyway :-) |
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| 02:54.23 | luke3321 | Wyzard: True. And do you have any opinions on a fresh install of squeeze vs an install of lenny upgraded to squeeze |
| 02:54.57 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Do you think there is a lot of junk left behind, or any performance issues? |
| 02:55.14 | Wyzard | luke3321: I think it's fine if it's well-maintained |
| 02:55.23 | Wyzard | luke3321: I've been using daily-upgraded sid for years |
| 02:56.04 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Do you have many problems with sid? |
| 02:56.10 | Wyzard | no reinstallation, aside from when built a whole new computer and moved all my files over to it |
| 02:56.48 | Wyzard | sid's fine most of the time, but things do occasionally break |
| 02:57.19 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Hmm.. Because I have had my installation from when lenny was testing and just let it roll over into squeeze |
| 02:57.31 | Wyzard | That should be fine |
| 02:58.49 | luke3321 | well. i guess i just have to wait this out |
| 02:59.21 | luke3321 | But to me it seems like my computer might be gradually slowing down |
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| 03:00.05 | luke3321 | Wait.. Strike that. Come to think of it its mostly firefox... |
| 03:00.32 | scorch | hm, after I've logged in, I need to run "source .bash_profile" for my umask line to work |
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| 03:01.39 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Well thanks for the help, I guess Ill just wait it out |
| 03:01.55 | Wyzard | luke3321: That's often a wise thing to do during transitions |
| 03:02.16 | luke3321 | Wyzard: As I have learned so many times in the past... |
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| 03:02.38 | luke3321 | Do you remember the gconf gstreamer problem |
| 03:02.38 | luke3321 | ? |
| 03:02.49 | Wyzard | luke3321: once this one's over and aptitude works again, during future transitions you can look carefully and selectively hold things back (use the ':' key) so that you can avoid transition problems but still upgrade all the non-transition-related stuff |
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| 03:05.08 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Thats for sure... But do you remember those problems between gconf and libgstreamer-ffmpeg? |
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| 03:05.56 | Wyzard | hmm, I don't think I do |
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| 03:06.29 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Well It was a rather large issue, heard alot about it on various irc channels |
| 03:06.51 | Wyzard | I don't seem to have libgstreamer-ffmpeg installed though |
| 03:07.01 | luke3321 | Wyzard: So to fix it, I restored a backup from the day before, and held off on updates until about 2 weeks ago |
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| 03:07.05 | Wyzard | so maybe I wasn't affected |
| 03:07.08 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Some people dont have it |
| 03:07.45 | luke3321 | but those of us who did got screwed over |
| 03:08.36 | Sebboh | Hi. I booted some old linux hard drive on new hardware to copy some files off, but my console is flooded with error events every few seconds. ..I don't really care about the error, but how do I mute the error reporting? |
| 03:09.23 | Wyzard | btw, one thing in particular that I'd recommend doing if you're interested in long-term maintainability while upgrading an existing system: keep a close eye on the "auto" flags in aptitude |
| 03:09.38 | luke3321 | Wyzard: The auto flags? |
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| 03:09.57 | Wyzard | the flag that indicates a package was installed automatically as a dependency |
| 03:10.09 | luke3321 | Ah, and remove unused ones? |
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| 03:10.18 | Wyzard | It should generally be set on everything except the top-level packages that you specifically want |
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| 03:10.31 | Wyzard | aptitude sometimes seems to "forget" the auto flag on things like libraries |
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| 03:10.56 | luke3321 | Wyzard: I see. I will look out for that. Thanks for the heads up. |
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| 03:11.01 | Wyzard | so whenever I'm doing an upgrade, I look through the list of changes to be made, and if any auto flags are missing from packages that ought to have them, add them back (type 'M') |
| 03:11.40 | luke3321 | Wyzard: And it is times like this I really appreciate the switch to linux |
| 03:12.00 | Wyzard | Once in awhile, when you have some free time, highlight the "installed packages" heading and type 'M' to flag *everything* auto -- this will make aptitude mark all packages for removal -- then go through the list and press '+' for each package that you know you want to keep |
| 03:12.12 | Wyzard | then 'g' and examine the list of remaining things it wants to remove |
| 03:12.41 | Wyzard | There'll be a few things that you want to keep but overlooked (more '+' then), but you'll also find some cruft that you forgot about and that doesn't need to be installed |
| 03:13.00 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Nice tip. But, theoretically, on a fresh install, should all files be accounted for in a package? |
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| 03:13.24 | Wyzard | yes, all files are part of some package or another |
| 03:13.33 | Wyzard | but not all installed packages really need to be installed |
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| 03:14.04 | Wyzard | The cleaning trick I just described is the first thing I do after a fresh install, to get a good set of auto flags on the packages that are installed by default, and to remove the things I don't need |
| 03:14.11 | Wyzard | (It's easy to do then since there isn't much installed) |
| 03:14.19 | Sebboh | Wyzard, neat. Years ago I learned that I should either use one apt-frontend all the time, or never use one, because of different formats (or something) in the package cache. Is this true today (on testing)? |
| 03:14.44 | Wyzard | The auto flags used to be specific to aptitude, but I think they've been moved down to the dpkg level so they should be available to all frontends |
| 03:14.50 | Wyzard | I don't know of any other frontend-specific stuff |
| 03:15.51 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Would you know of any way to get a list of all files not accounted for in any package? |
| 03:16.04 | enouf | Sebboh: no, not true anymore |
| 03:16.29 | enouf | Sebboh: and no, not drinking ;-) |
| 03:17.03 | Wyzard | luke3321: That's tricky because some files are created dynamically by packages' postinst scripts and such, so they're not in any package's file list even though they're conceptually "part of" a package |
| 03:17.13 | Wyzard | luke3321: You may find the "cruft" package interesting though |
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| 03:17.27 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Good point, and I will look into cruft |
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| 03:17.34 | jamon | try apt-file too |
| 03:18.01 | luke3321 | Wyzard: The reason I am asking is I somewhat regret installing a game and my video drivers from sh files |
| 03:18.14 | Wyzard | nVidia? |
| 03:18.18 | enouf | Sebboh: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/a-map-of-apt-state-files/ |
| 03:18.18 | luke3321 | They arent in the package system, and I want them gone |
| 03:18.21 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Yep |
| 03:18.31 | jamon | luke3321: it has an uninstall option |
| 03:18.38 | enouf | make uninstall |
| 03:18.40 | Wyzard | Stick with the packages for that |
| 03:18.47 | enouf | or .. cry |
| 03:18.51 | jamon | luke3321: also, for future reference, checkinstall is handy |
| 03:18.56 | luke3321 | jamon: This is news to me, where would that be? |
| 03:18.58 | Wyzard | The game probably went into /usr/local |
| 03:19.07 | enouf | so is paco and stow |
| 03:19.07 | Wyzard | which is where non-packaged things ought to be |
| 03:19.09 | luke3321 | jamon: And i found checkinstall after i installed them |
| 03:19.23 | enouf | !stow |
| 03:19.23 | dpkg | i heard stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game. See the package "stow", http://www.gnu.org/software/stow or ask me about <stow usage>. Also ask me about <checkinstall>. |
| 03:19.43 | jamon | luke3321: check the --help with the script |
| 03:20.02 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Im not so bothered about the game, because it did contain itself in /usr/local but the drivers did not |
| 03:20.15 | luke3321 | jamon: I will, thanks for the tip |
| 03:20.16 | enouf | suffer |
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| 03:21.05 | Wyzard | luke3321: The nVidia driver replaces some OpenGL libraries (installed by mesa packages) with its own versions (nVidia's implementation) |
| 03:21.15 | enouf | lmao @ "the drivers did not" |
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| 03:21.41 | Wyzard | luke3321: but when the mesa packages get upgraded, they overwrithe nVidia's files with the Mesa ones again |
| 03:21.47 | luke3321 | enouf: I wasnt expecting them to.... I am just saying they didnt... |
| 03:22.08 | Wyzard | luke3321: to which I've seen people say "just run nVidia's script again" |
| 03:22.12 | luke3321 | Wyzard: That would explain the OpenGL errors I get |
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| 03:22.48 | luke3321 | Wyzard: What is the name of the package that has debians version of the nvidia drivers? |
| 03:22.59 | Wyzard | luke3321: The nvidia-glx package does it the right way, using dpkg-divert to move the Mesa library files aside in a way that dpkg understands |
| 03:23.29 | Wyzard | luke3321: so that when the mesa packages get upgraded, those new libraries get installed with the diverted names rather than overwriting the nVidia libraries |
| 03:23.48 | Yud_Zroc | whats the difference between ubuntu and deb |
| 03:23.57 | enouf | Wyzard: "<Wyzard> luke3321: The nVidia driver replaces some OpenGL libraries (installed by mesa packages) with its own versions (nVidia's implementation)" <-- and does nVidia tell you this? ,,,,,,,,, NO |
| 03:24.26 | Wyzard | Yud_Zroc: One's named after Ian Murdock and his wife Debra, and the other is named after an ancient African word |
| 03:24.31 | luke3321 | enouf: You are right, it would be nice to know beforehand |
| 03:24.51 | luke3321 | Wyzard: So what packages would I want to have the bedian version of the nvidia drivers? |
| 03:24.55 | enouf | whine to your proprietary gods |
| 03:25.07 | Wyzard | luke3321: nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) |
| 03:25.08 | Yud_Zroc | hm, can i choose what windows manager to install (i want kde) not gnome |
| 03:25.42 | Wyzard | Yud_Zroc: Yes, KDE is available in Debian |
| 03:25.55 | Wyzard | Yud_Zroc: btw, KDE and GNOME are not window managers |
| 03:26.05 | Yud_Zroc | oh ya they are DE |
| 03:26.12 | enouf | Yud_Zroc: "install tasks=kde-desktop,standard" |
| 03:26.16 | luke3321 | Wyzard: And there you go, I go to look for those packages... but no synaptic.... |
| 03:26.37 | luke3321 | Wyzard: This could be an interesting few days ;) |
| 03:27.28 | enouf | Yud_Zroc: "installgui tasks=kde-desktop,standard" if you want the gtk version of the installer |
| 03:27.59 | enouf | f1-f10 will show you options |
| 03:28.00 | Yud_Zroc | ty enouf |
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| 03:31.38 | jetx | oh hey enouf the kernel bug as mentioned in man ntfsresize is true. the method for resizing mentioned in that manpage worked everytime. qtparted, gparted... worked once in a while. fyi. |
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| 03:31.52 | luke3321 | Wyzard: Well thank you so much for all the help. I am off to root through my system to see what i can find |
| 03:32.18 | Wyzard | You're welcome, and good luck |
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| 03:33.12 | enouf | jetx: nobody gives a flying shit about ntfs, especially not moi |
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| 03:33.27 | jetx | it's the bug |
| 03:33.32 | jamon | swimming, or locomoting in general even? |
| 03:33.41 | jetx | and nobody!=true |
| 03:33.48 | funkyHat | Does anyone know of a good tutorial for setting up FastCGI for Apache2/PHP? I can't find anything lenny specific on google |
| 03:33.58 | enouf | bugs jetx with some cockroaches |
| 03:34.09 | jetx | the bug isn't ntfs specific afaict |
| 03:34.14 | jetx | not even related |
| 03:34.15 | funkyHat | http://michiel.vanbaak.info/docsphp5fcgi.htm looks quite good but some things seem to be different |
| 03:34.28 | Wyzard | funkyHat: I'd take a look at the docs in the libapache2-mod-fastcgi package |
| 03:34.31 | enouf | why mention it then? |
| 03:34.41 | jetx | it's libparted-v.x |
| 03:34.51 | enouf | Redmond weenie-ism? |
| 03:34.54 | jetx | because it's mentioned in the manpage |
| 03:34.59 | enouf | parted is fine |
| 03:35.11 | jetx | -_- |
| 03:35.20 | jetx | thus spake... |
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| 03:35.31 | enouf | spanks |
| 03:36.18 | funkyHat | Wyzard: thanks :) should have thought of that |
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| 03:39.28 | kiraa | I know this might not be the place for such a question, but to be honest, guys in here r quite knowledgeable... so, can a 'user' feel the difference between memory modules with CAS 2.5 and CAS 3?? |
| 03:39.55 | jamon | kiraa: can you? |
| 03:40.14 | kiraa | I dont know, I guess thats why Im asking |
| 03:40.14 | jetx | if they o/c |
| 03:40.26 | jetx | for one |
| 03:40.37 | jetx | sometimes |
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| 03:41.24 | jamon | i'm going with a hearty, "don't worry about it" |
| 03:41.41 | Wyzard | kiraa: In general, probably not, but there are probably some workloads where it'd make a noticeable difference |
| 03:42.05 | kiraa | Wyzard: I see. so its application-dependent? |
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| 03:42.24 | Wyzard | essentially, yes |
| 03:42.54 | jamon | tbh, if your system is running ddr1, that's going to be the limiting factor your users notice |
| 03:42.55 | kiraa | guys, I really appreciate ur help |
| 03:42.57 | Wyzard | Programs that do a lot of heavy memory access would be affected because memory speed is their bottleneck |
| 03:43.08 | Wyzard | but it wouldn't make any noticeable difference in, say, your web browser |
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| 03:43.18 | jamon | most ddr2+ doesn't run nearly close to 2.5 cas, unless you pay a premium |
| 03:43.20 | Wyzard | because that spends 99.9% of its time sitting around waiting for you to click on something |
| 03:43.44 | kindyroot | browsers are memory intensive applications xD |
| 03:44.01 | Wyzard | in how *much* memory they use, maybe |
| 03:44.05 | Wyzard | but not how fast they need to access it |
| 03:44.10 | jamon | that sit doing nothing 99% of the time kindyroot :p |
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| 03:45.30 | thneed | hello, I am having trouble playing youtube videos, I think I lack the codecs located in a gstreamer package (possibly gstreamer-plugins), but I am not sure. I am running debian testing, and the prompt that I get in iceweasel for the missing codecs (after unsuccessful attempt to play) cannot access synaptic with the proper password. Can someone help me locate the right package? |
| 03:45.34 | kindyroot | jamon and Wyzard: it doesn't matter how much memory is used by a program but how much/ how long |
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| 03:45.52 | kindyroot | an average user has today about 30 firefox tabs open |
| 03:46.00 | thneed | I found some in aptitude, but I don't know if they downloaded fully/appropriately |
| 03:46.09 | kindyroot | 5 or more of whitch are loading multimedia data in the same time |
| 03:46.25 | Wyzard | kindyroot: an *average* user probably doesn't know what browser tabs are |
| 03:46.29 | jamon | kindyroot: and after loading, they site doing nothing |
| 03:46.33 | jamon | s/site/sit |
| 03:46.34 | kindyroot | *which (lol) |
| 03:47.07 | Wyzard | but loading multimedia content is dependent mostly on network bandwidth, not memory bandwidth |
| 03:47.22 | kindyroot | Wyzard: lol :) , jamon: I agree with that |
| 03:47.35 | jetx | !dmm |
| 03:47.35 | dpkg | dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 03:47.48 | jetx | audio visual |
| 03:48.26 | jetx | !fglrx |
| 03:48.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the r600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 03:50.54 | kindyroot | Wyzard: the problem is that some processes are asking for memory somewhere and others are freeing it, not all memory chunks are of the same size, now a page allocator will have to come with an optimal placement, which sometimes means to wait for an "forecasted" freeing to occur (citation needed lol), and sometime swapping will take place, .. even though the network speed is a bottleneck, it may not be the only one |
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| 03:51.58 | jamon | i'll repeat that most memory with cas 2.5 is ddr1, and thus the cpu and system in general will be the bottleneck |
| 03:52.32 | Wyzard | kindyroot: sure, but that's a scheduling and algorithm issue, which isn't really dependent on the latency of the RAM itself |
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| 03:54.39 | kindyroot | Wyzard: yes it doesn't depend on whether it is cas 2.5 or 3 or whatever, but the argument was to support that a browser could drink some ram, but I agreed an average user would not be hurt too much (probably not at all) |
| 03:54.55 | kindyroot | :) |
| 03:57.18 | jetx | !pdiffs |
| 03:57.21 | jetx | !pdiff |
| 03:57.21 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 03:57.46 | jmoncayo | hey guys, whats the update-alternatives for making default browser ice-wheasel |
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| 03:58.00 | jamon | x-www-browser i think |
| 03:58.34 | jmoncayo | thanks |
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| 03:59.57 | thneed | so, I am not sure, i tried getting the gstreamer-plugins and other gstreamer packages, but still cannot play flash vids |
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| 04:00.11 | thneed | but I could two days ago |
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| 04:17.02 | ananthgs | any idea as to how to become a debian developer???? |
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| 04:17.14 | ananthgs | any debian developers in the group??? |
| 04:18.39 | eurythmia | ananthgs, you might start by visiting: http://alioth.debian.org/ |
| 04:18.50 | eurythmia | there's plenty of information on the main page |
| 04:18.54 | ananthgs | Oh ok thanks |
| 04:19.03 | ananthgs | Lemme check it now |
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| 04:20.38 | squisher | hey, does anyone know if / which video cards have video decoding acceleration under linux? |
| 04:20.43 | eurythmia | ananthgs, additionally, this page has information on using alioth, and some places where you might start helping out: http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth |
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| 04:21.22 | ananthgs | eurythmia, I am checking the same |
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| 04:23.21 | eurythmia | ananthgs, oops, looks like those weren't great places to start, can't go wrong with this one thoug: http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 04:23.25 | eurythmia | *though |
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| 04:26.16 | Nappz | Are there any all around good mail servers for a business that use IMAP/SMTP and have a nice admin interface but are free? |
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| 04:29.17 | ananthgs | Nappz, you can try Atmail |
| 04:29.34 | valdyn | !vdpau |
| 04:29.37 | Percy | Hola? |
| 04:29.41 | Nappz | ananthgs: Thanks, ill look into that |
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| 04:30.18 | valdyn | squisher: if you want more than just mpeg accel, just nvidia drivers i think |
| 04:31.01 | Nappz | ananthgs: Atmail isn't free :-\ |
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| 04:32.05 | Nappz | Bleh.. Anyway I'm heading off to bed, good night.. |
| 04:32.56 | ananthgs | Nappz.... Yep what you said is right |
| 04:33.09 | ananthgs | Nappz ping me when you are back |
| 04:33.15 | ananthgs | I ll let you know more |
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| 04:33.59 | setui | Anyone happen to know when Lenny will support WPA? |
| 04:34.25 | setui | I just installed 5.0.1, and am trying to get wireless going, but the Network Monitor applet only supports WEP |
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| 04:35.42 | Wyzard | setui: NetworkManager is what you want to use |
| 04:35.47 | Wyzard | lenny supports WPA just fine |
| 04:36.07 | setui | Wyzard, What I have, based on the wiki, is /usr/lib/gnome-netstatus/gnome-netstatus-applet |
| 04:36.17 | setui | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 04:36.18 | setui | That page |
| 04:36.20 | Wyzard | !tell setui about networkmanager |
| 04:36.37 | Wyzard | Ignore that gnome applet |
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| 04:37.27 | setui | I run NetworkManager, and nothing happens |
| 04:37.45 | Wyzard | Install network-manager and network-manager-gnome, and add yourself to the netdev group |
| 04:38.19 | Wyzard | Comment out or remove the entry for your wireless card in /etc/network/interfaces -- NetworkManager ignores interfaces that are statically configured there |
| 04:38.40 | setui | ath0 doesn't exist in that file, so I'm good there |
| 04:38.44 | setui | I'm in netdev, still nothing |
| 04:38.46 | Wyzard | Then run nm-applet (it should run automatically at login, if you log out and back in to make the netdev group change take effect) |
| 04:39.11 | funkyHat | I've started setting up FastCGI, but I get this error when I enable it for one of my VirtualHosts: "[Thu May 07 05:35:13 2009] [warn] FastCGI: (dynamic) server "/srv/squeed01/wordpress/funkyhat.org/index.php" (pid 8217) terminated by calling exit with status '255'" --- Does anyone know what's causing this? |
| 04:39.14 | Wyzard | nm-applet gives you a GNOME tray icon |
| 04:39.20 | setui | Same bug nm-applet has had for months... there's no way to ADD networks |
| 04:39.20 | Wyzard | From there it's pretty self-explanatory |
| 04:39.31 | funkyHat | I've played with permissions and stuff, can't get it to do anything different |
| 04:39.33 | setui | Just a single remove button |
| 04:39.47 | Wyzard | so you're familiar with NM already? |
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| 04:39.58 | setui | Yes, nm-applet was in Ubuntu, and "Just Worked" (mostly) |
| 04:40.05 | setui | But this version appears MUCH older |
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| 04:40.12 | Wyzard | I don't know what you mean about no way to add networks, though |
| 04:40.13 | setui | And is the broken version :( |
| 04:40.23 | Wyzard | Left-click the icon and you get a list of wireless networks in range |
| 04:40.26 | Wyzard | click on one to connect to it |
| 04:40.39 | setui | I fire up "Edit Networks", and a grey dialog pops up, with a "Name" and "bssids:" field open for editing, and a single "Remove" button on the bottom. |
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| 04:41.07 | Wyzard | That's for editing the list of already-known networks |
| 04:41.22 | pyrohotdog | Okay I just installed 5.0.1 with LVM and encryption using the guided partioning and the install went fine, but when I boot I just get a grub prompt...? |
| 04:41.32 | Wyzard | NM remembers what wireless networks you've used before and will automatically reconnect to them in the future |
| 04:41.46 | Wyzard | If you no longer want it to automatically connect to a certain network, you use that window |
| 04:41.49 | setui | Wyzard, Right, on Ubuntu that's how it works. On Lenny, it apparently is comatose |
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| 04:42.01 | setui | Doesn't see any of the 30 or so wifi networks near me |
| 04:42.04 | Wyzard | but to initially connect to a network, you just open the list of nearby networks and click on it |
| 04:43.09 | setui | Only shows wired, but ath0 is set up and enabled (ath_pci) |
| 04:43.13 | Wyzard | Run "iwlist scan" as root in a terminal -- does that find any networks? |
| 04:43.37 | setui | Yep, plenty |
| 04:43.44 | setui | I see 8 right now |
| 04:44.24 | setui | I don't see a way to set up the WWAN either, using this ancient version of nm-applet |
| 04:44.27 | Wyzard | and is your wireless card in the supported hardware list (http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerHardware)? |
| 04:44.38 | Wyzard | I guess it must be if it worked in Ubuntu |
| 04:44.53 | setui | It should be, because the Ubuntu version of NetworkManager supported it |
| 04:46.04 | setuid | Any other ideas? |
| 04:46.17 | setuid | Other than hand-rolling my own wpa_suppliant code and startup script? |
| 04:46.17 | Wyzard | Then I don't know why it isn't listing them in the menu... I'd check syslog, since NM prints a lot of useful information there |
| 04:46.39 | setuid | May 7 00:42:44 galaeus NetworkManager: <info> Updating allowed wireless network lists. |
| 04:46.39 | setuid | May 7 00:42:44 galaeus NetworkManager: <WARN> nm_dbus_get_networks_cb(): error received: org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks - There are no wireless networks stored.. |
| 04:46.43 | setuid | That seems relevant |
| 04:46.52 | Wyzard | I'd also try unloading and reloading the wireless card's driver module, or just reboot |
| 04:47.11 | setuid | Yep, unloaded/reloaded... not rebooting just yet, not until I get wireless working |
| 04:47.31 | Wyzard | That sounds like it just means the list of known networks is empty, which isn't a problem since you've never connected to anything yet |
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| 04:48.10 | conky_v2 | ok |
| 04:48.15 | conky_v2 | i think i'm back now |
| 04:48.19 | setuid | Should wpa_supplicant be running? |
| 04:48.20 | conky_v2 | been on winshit again for 6 months |
| 04:48.27 | conky_v2 | and i feel more guilty than the guy who got caught buying hi first whore |
| 04:48.40 | squisher | valdyn, yeah, I'd like it for decoding hd content - so x264 i.e. |
| 04:48.42 | conky_v2 | so give me good news on how awesome debian is still ;) |
| 04:48.54 | Wyzard | yes, NM runs wpa-supplicant |
| 04:49.15 | Wyzard | I'm not sure whether it runs all the time or only when connected to a WPA network, though |
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| 04:49.51 | Wyzard | This may be silly, but right-click on the nm-applet icon and make sure the "enable wireless" box is checked |
| 04:50.39 | Wyzard | Running "nm-tool" from a shell should give you a list of networks that NM knows about -- see if that tells you anything useful |
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| 04:51.43 | codeshepherd | is squeeze the codename for latest release ? |
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| 04:52.04 | R_YoYo_R | its the upcoming release |
| 04:52.08 | R_YoYo_R | the testing release |
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| 04:53.28 | codeshepherd | so if I use lenny on my server... i can later upgrated to squeeze once it is out of testing ? R_YoYo_R |
| 04:53.46 | codeshepherd | and how long with it take for it to move out of testing ? R_YoYo_R |
| 04:54.08 | Wyzard | codeshepherd: yes, and probably more than a year |
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| 04:54.59 | R_YoYo_R | codeshepherd, yeap you can. at least a year away |
| 04:55.03 | codeshepherd | anyway.. i am looking debian AMI .. that I can customize to my needs.. any suggestions ? |
| 04:56.23 | Wyzard | wow, 5.0.1 was released a month ago and I didn't even notice |
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| 04:56.56 | R_YoYo_R | how can i tell if i am at 5.0.1? |
| 04:57.28 | Wyzard | R_YoYo_R: 5.0.1 is just a rollup of 5.0.0 plus updates (mostly security) that were released afterward |
| 04:57.59 | Wyzard | If you're up-to-date with apt then you have have those updates |
| 04:59.01 | R_YoYo_R | Wyzard, i figured. there was a command line argument that would reflect version... i forget it though |
| 04:59.35 | Wyzard | R_YoYo_R: There's the /etc/debian_version file, but that really just tells you the version of the base-files package |
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| 05:00.41 | Wyzard | Minor revisions like 5.0.1 aren't really applicable to existing installations; you just install updates with apt like usual |
| 05:00.51 | ananthgs | R_YoYo_R and Wyzard--- Have the latest apt and then use this command in a konsole..... gnome-system-monitor |
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| 05:01.03 | ananthgs | there you can check for your Lenny version |
| 05:01.27 | Wyzard | It's an update to the install media (CD/DVD) so that when you do a fresh install, you have those updates already and don't need to download them after installation |
| 05:02.35 | Wyzard | ananthgs: That's just reading a line from some file |
| 05:03.00 | Wyzard | It doesn't guarantee that every package on your system is at least the version present on a 5.0.1 install disc |
| 05:03.25 | ananthgs | Wyzard Yep I know that |
| 05:03.44 | Wyzard | You could've upgraded just the one package that affects that message (e.g. base-files) and ignored the other upgrades |
| 05:04.05 | ananthgs | Wyzard for the OS version 5.0.1 - it is the regular 5.0 along with security updates |
| 05:04.41 | ananthgs | Wyzard - There might be a rpm like deb command like rpm -qa |
| 05:04.50 | ananthgs | Wyzard got to check for that |
| 05:05.00 | Wyzard | What does "rpm -qa" do? |
| 05:05.33 | ananthgs | Wyzard "rpm-qa" for a particular rpm file queries you the version and other details about it |
| 05:05.46 | Wyzard | ananthgs: dpkg -s <packagename> |
| 05:05.47 | ananthgs | Wyzard: that are installed for your OS |
| 05:06.14 | Wyzard | e.g. dpkg -s base-files |
| 05:06.15 | ananthgs | Wyzard what is -s for? |
| 05:06.26 | Wyzard | status |
| 05:06.28 | ananthgs | Wyzard is it for search? |
| 05:06.41 | ananthgs | Wyzard "status"....ok |
| 05:06.49 | ananthgs | Wyzard- thanks....did not know about this |
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| 05:08.35 | Wyzard | That's for an installed package, not a .deb file |
| 05:09.12 | Wyzard | For a .deb file, dpkg-deb -I <filename> shows you the same information |
| 05:10.14 | Wyzard | and apt-cache show <packagename> tells you about a package like dpkg -s does, but from apt's database of available packages, so you can use it for packages that aren't installed |
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| 05:15.29 | ananthgs | Wyzard: Yep knew about apt-cache |
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| 05:33.52 | mordy | hey anyone know why booting the experimental .29 kernel (from experimental) under xen gives me a "CPU not supported" error and then panic while the .26 xen kernel works fine? |
| 05:34.11 | mordy | (the reason i'm using the .29 is because .26 is missing a lot of modules for my (very new) hardware |
| 05:35.10 | sparr | is upgrading from ext3 to ext4 the best way to get a good defrag tool? |
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| 05:35.31 | Wyzard | mordy: .29 is in sid; you shouldn't need to get anything from experimental |
| 05:35.39 | Wyzard | sparr: There's no ext4 defrag tool yet afaik |
| 05:35.54 | mordy | Wyzard: hmm.. let me check.. let's see if that works |
| 05:36.34 | mordy | did it just recently move into sid? or did i overlook something two days ago |
| 05:36.36 | Wyzard | mordy: Check that you're not trying to boot a 32-bit kernel on 64-bit hypervisor, or vice-versa |
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| 05:36.57 | Wyzard | mordy: It recently became the default in sid, but it's been available for weeks |
| 05:37.16 | mordy | Wyzard: the hypervisor itself seems to be 32 bit (according to `file`) although it's a *-amd64 hypervisor - don't know what sense ot make of that |
| 05:37.39 | Wyzard | I've only used Xen on 32-bit systems so I don't know either |
| 05:37.44 | sparr | Wyzard: but there will be, while I am not aware of any efforts to write a good one for ext3 |
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| 05:38.12 | Wyzard | sparr: right, but in the near term, switching doesn't get you a defragmenter |
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| 05:39.26 | FFForever | how do i enable updatedb and locate? |
| 05:39.29 | pyrohotdog | I did a fresh 5.0.1 install with LVM and encryption, and the install went fine. But when I boot I just get a grub prompt. |
| 05:39.58 | FFForever | well install... |
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| 05:42.37 | sparr | Wyzard: I am seeing serious fragmentation issues on /home, leaning heavily towards downgrading to ext2 for defraging |
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| 05:43.21 | sparr | Wyzard: I have a nasty habit of filling /home to 99.9% with downloads, then deleting 20%, then doing it again, writing all my normal stuff in between |
| 05:43.32 | Wyzard | sparr: I tend to do that too, though not quite to 99.9% |
| 05:43.47 | sparr | heh, it got so bad i turned off the low disk warning in kde |
| 05:43.53 | Wyzard | ext4's multiblock allocator helps with avoiding fragmentation when creating files |
| 05:43.56 | sparr | i really don't need a warning at 95% when using a 500GB drive |
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| 05:44.08 | sparr | "oh no, ive only got 25GB left??" |
| 05:44.35 | Wyzard | so if you have room for a full backup, it may help to do a full backup, create a fresh new ext4, and then copy everything back |
| 05:44.54 | sparr | if I was going to do that, filesystem wouldn't matter, no? |
| 05:44.55 | Wyzard | but filling the filesystem to 99% makes it pretty much impossible to create non-fragmented files |
| 05:45.08 | sparr | any FS can be defragmented by copying to a new disk file by file |
| 05:45.28 | Wyzard | not quite |
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| 05:46.04 | Wyzard | A badly-fragmented filesystem will generally be less-fragmented after doing that, but probably not completely fragmentation-free |
| 05:46.09 | mordy | gah i can't find it :( |
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| 05:46.19 | Wyzard | If space isn't allocated intelligently while restoring the files from backup, they can fragment |
| 05:46.20 | mordy | or am i expected to download the source and compile it? there's no binary? |
| 05:46.30 | Wyzard | which is where the multiblock allocator helps |
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| 05:47.10 | Wyzard | Actually, you can probably get that benefit even with an ext3 filesystem, by mounting it with the ext4 driver |
| 05:47.33 | sparr | hmm |
| 05:47.44 | mordy | linux-image-2.6-amd64 is a dummy package and linux-image-2.6.29-1-amd64 is 'not available' |
| 05:47.49 | Wyzard | but it's the backup/restore that gives it a chance to reallocate everything |
| 05:47.55 | sparr | what is the scenario where a copy would produce fragmentation? assuming you copy to an empty drive, one file at a time, every file should be allocated contiguously |
| 05:48.00 | sparr | by even the stupidest allocator |
| 05:48.02 | Wyzard | mordy: linux-image-2.6.29-2-amd64 is in the archive |
| 05:48.17 | Wyzard | I guess -1 has been removed but the dummy package hasn't yet been updated to depend on -2 |
| 05:48.43 | mordy | oh found it |
| 05:48.57 | Wyzard | sparr: filesystems don't fill up linearly from beginning to end |
| 05:49.04 | mordy | don't know why it didn't show up in the search results when i just did linux-image-2.6.29 |
| 05:49.39 | Wyzard | sparr: well, except on Windows FAT filesystems, but that really *is* a stupid allocator because if all the files are packed together at the beginning of the drive, appending to *any* file except the last one requires creating a fragment |
| 05:50.03 | Wyzard | sparr: generally the allocator tries to spread files evenly across the disk, with gaps of free space in between |
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| 05:50.39 | sparr | ahh |
| 05:50.40 | mordy | i'm not using sid as my main distribution though; i'm only using that kernel because it's newer - there's probably a way for me to add the sid repository without actually upgrading anything from it unless i manually install it? |
| 05:50.40 | sparr | so I would get fragmentation when it reached the end of the drive |
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| 05:50.41 | sparr | and there were still files left to write, which would get allocated into all the previous gaps |
| 05:50.41 | wariola | hello |
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| 05:50.52 | wariola | where can i find the netinstall for debian etch? |
| 05:51.04 | wariola | looking all over the site in vain |
| 05:51.18 | Wyzard | sparr: It'll fill in the gaps, but if the gaps are big enough, you still won't get fragmentation |
| 05:51.28 | Wyzard | sparr: but if a file turns out to be bigger than any available gap, it has to fragment |
| 05:51.51 | Wyzard | sparr: and the allocator doesn't know in advance how big each file will be, so it can't plan ahead to avoid that |
| 05:52.19 | nkuttler | !tell wariola about install etch |
| 05:52.51 | wariola | need the image for the netinstall cd |
| 05:52.57 | Wyzard | sparr: ext3's allocator only allocates one block at a time -- as it allocates each 4kb chunk, it has no idea how many more 4kb chunks there'll be that ideally should stay contiguous |
| 05:54.15 | Wyzard | sparr: ext4 supports delayed allocation, which means that it can buffer a significant amount (many megabytes) of data has been buffered before looking for space on disk to store it |
| 05:54.55 | \amethyst | here I get a b: 1 2 twice |
| 05:54.57 | \amethyst | doh |
| 05:55.07 | mordy | hmm.. still not working |
| 05:55.32 | Wyzard | sparr: so if you write a 50MB file, say, the allocator knows it should look for at least 50MB of contiguous space |
| 05:55.55 | sparr | sure, but even then it would fail if there were large files at the end |
| 05:56.03 | Wyzard | yes |
| 05:56.08 | sparr | anyway, I need defragmentation soon... ext2 might be the best way to go |
| 05:56.13 | Wyzard | The more full the filesystem is, the more unavoidable fragmentation is |
| 05:56.27 | Wyzard | I've heard 80% is a good rule of thumb that you shouldn't try to go above |
| 05:56.54 | Wyzard | or rather, should try not to go above |
| 05:57.41 | Wyzard | I've been burning stuff to DVD to free up space |
| 05:57.59 | mordy | i still can't figure this out :| |
| 05:58.10 | mordy | how do i block the kernel from rebooting on panic? |
| 05:58.30 | ssm | Wyzard: on RHEL3 80% of /var (or wherever the audit logs were stored) was a hard limit. Auditd would lock PAM, and prevent you from logging in and fixing things :P |
| 05:59.18 | ssm | but from a performance point of view, I guess you'd want to not fill your drives up completely, to avoid fragmentation. |
| 05:59.22 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 05:59.32 | Wyzard | That's not a filesystem problem, though, just bad configuration |
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| 05:59.47 | ssm | Wyzard: bad _default_ configuration as well. :) |
| 05:59.50 | sparr | I burn to DVD occasionally, but mostly just buy bigger drives or delete stuff |
| 06:00.03 | sparr | half of my /home is installed games |
| 06:00.32 | Wyzard | yeah, it depends on what the data is |
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| 06:01.17 | ssm | sparr: as long as you've got room to write large files without having them scattered on blocks all over the disks, you should be good. |
| 06:01.24 | Wyzard | One way or another, though, try to get down to a max of 80% or so |
| 06:01.36 | mordy | any idea what's causing this? right before the panic i'm seeing AMD IOMMU: disabled |
| 06:01.43 | Wyzard | and when you have room for a full backup/restore with ext4, consider doing that |
| 06:01.54 | Wyzard | I'm waiting for 2.6.30 before switching my /home to ext4, though |
| 06:02.08 | Wyzard | since that's when that write-barrier bug is planned to be fixed |
| 06:02.26 | ssm | Wyzard: I'd need online resize first, before using ext4, dunno if it's on 2.6.30 or not |
| 06:03.01 | anoHito | hello guys, i am seeing some douplicated lines in dmesg which are very strange. |
| 06:03.09 | mordy | i guess i could try to compile the kernel myself |
| 06:03.10 | Wyzard | IIRC ext3 supports online resize for growing, though not for shrinking... I'd expect ext4 does too |
| 06:03.29 | anoHito | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.29 | ssm | you can shrink your filesystem if you don't care about the data stored :) |
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| 06:03.32 | mordy | Wyzard: well it needs kernel support for that too |
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| 06:03.45 | anddam | hello |
| 06:03.49 | mordy | and i dn't think any kernel has ext3 online resize support |
| 06:03.50 | anoHito | how come those new messages are now appear in dmesg even without a reboot ? |
| 06:03.57 | Wyzard | I thought it did |
| 06:04.01 | mordy | anoHito: can you pastebin it? |
| 06:04.01 | keith4_ | it does |
| 06:04.06 | Wyzard | Maybe I'm confusing it with reiserfs though (that definitely does) |
| 06:04.07 | anddam | how can I perform a search in packages description for two terms using aptitude search ~d ? |
| 06:04.07 | jetx | you can shrink it if you care, too.. but make a backup |
| 06:04.08 | anoHito | mordy, hold on. |
| 06:04.11 | mordy | hmm.. might be confusing it with ext2 |
| 06:04.11 | sparr | anoHito: dmesg continues to grow the whole time the computer is on |
| 06:04.16 | mordy | lol |
| 06:04.31 | mordy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.37 | keith4_ | online grow, but only offline shrink |
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| 06:04.44 | mordy | dmesg is written to whenever a kernel module wants to express itself |
| 06:04.57 | keith4_ | nice. "express itself" |
| 06:05.00 | mordy | lol |
| 06:05.04 | keith4_ | so poetic |
| 06:05.07 | mordy | yes |
| 06:05.07 | sparr | mordy: well put |
| 06:05.19 | anoHito | mordy, sparr ,here http://pastebin.ca/1415059 |
| 06:05.36 | anoHito | TCP: Treason uncloaked! |
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| 06:05.58 | sparr | anoHito: you are doing something on the internet, and one of the kernel network modules doesnt like what the other end of the connection is doing |
| 06:05.59 | anoHito | I have had the same messages in dmesg with different ip numbers, how come ? |
| 06:06.07 | sparr | my guess, someone is poisoning a bittorrent peering |
| 06:06.31 | anoHito | sparr, pardon ? |
| 06:06.34 | sparr | it COULD be honest miscommunication, I have seen that message during some online games |
| 06:06.37 | keith4_ | http://www.google.com/search?q=TCP%3A+Treason+uncloaked! |
| 06:06.50 | anoHito | you mean someone is doing a bittorent thing from my server to the rest of world ? |
| 06:06.55 | keith4_ | no |
| 06:07.31 | sparr | it could be almost anything |
| 06:07.38 | keith4_ | it's a host in China |
| 06:07.40 | ssm | anoHito: I've seen it on some server previously, and it had nothing to do with bittorrent, it was just a medium traffic web server |
| 06:07.44 | mordy | anoHito: it means that someone is trying to act as a peer and is trying to inject something malicious in the data |
| 06:08.04 | mordy | or could mean that i think |
| 06:08.04 | sparr | if you run a webserver I could screw up the tcp headers on a request and cause those entries to show up in your log |
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| 06:08.10 | sparr | i dont know what i might accomplish by doing that |
| 06:08.13 | Wyzard | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/tcp-treason-uncloaked-127984/ suggests that it may be a DoS attempt |
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| 06:08.21 | sparr | but it would be trivial to DO |
| 06:08.28 | keith4_ | someone in China is doing something naughty. just another day on the net |
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| 06:08.36 | anoHito | ssm, i have googled that ,someone said its because the datacentre limit traffic on your server from their switch ? |
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| 06:08.52 | mordy | could be bursting, traffic shaping, or anything |
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| 06:08.55 | anoHito | ssm, but i have talked to them,they talked me back: No. |
| 06:09.14 | ssm | anoHito: it could be a bandwith control box somewhere between the server and the client messing with the TCP headers |
| 06:09.29 | anoHito | mordy, hacking ? |
| 06:09.51 | mordy | anoHito: maybe, maybe not :P |
| 06:09.57 | anoHito | ssm, yeah, on google that guy said its soved after talked to the datacentre,strange,hmm. |
| 06:10.04 | mordy | it's really impossible to know what exactly is causing it |
| 06:10.30 | anoHito | is it harmful at all ? |
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| 06:10.35 | anoHito | besides, have you checked at that IP? that IP is strange. |
| 06:10.49 | mordy | and it's trying to connect to you on multiple ports too |
| 06:10.56 | Wyzard | mordy: I wouldn't say it's impossible... there's some specific condition that triggers that message |
| 06:11.01 | anoHito | 125.69.117.148 ? |
| 06:11.21 | mordy | Wyzard: well it's impossible to know the intent behind what triggered it |
| 06:11.45 | anoHito | so that IP might be associated with this event right ? |
| 06:11.51 | Wyzard | I'm curious what the actual triggering condition is |
| 06:12.10 | Wyzard | Google doesn't seem to turn up any details, other than that suggestion that it might be the peer setting its window size to 0 |
| 06:12.18 | ssm | from http://www.informedbanking.com/wiki/TCP_Treason_Uncloaked : "What is most interesting to me is that the source IPs are almost always guilty of blog spam bots, spam bots or otherwise" |
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| 06:12.41 | FFForever | any idea when i su chris, it exits, but if i su again it works just fine... http://pastebin.ca/1415061 all i typed was c and it put the exit itself... |
| 06:12.54 | anddam | can anyone point out the difference between '~d(usage~|disk)' and '~d(usage)~d(disk)' ? |
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| 06:13.20 | jetx | or |
| 06:13.20 | anddam | the latter doesn't show wmdiskmon that still has "disk usage" in its description |
| 06:13.52 | anddam | jetx: still an OR should show a package having "disk usage" in description, or does the order matter? |
| 06:14.13 | anoHito | Wyzard, could it be the traffic limitation from the datacentre's switch on the target server ? |
| 06:14.43 | anoHito | if so ,i will have to talk to them again :(. |
| 06:14.44 | Wyzard | anoHito: unlikely |
| 06:14.44 | anoHito | hmm. |
| 06:14.44 | Wyzard | anoHito: bandwidth control is done by delaying and/or dropping packets, not by modifying their contents |
| 06:14.46 | jetx | either but not neither, i think |
| 06:15.08 | Wyzard | This message relates to values in the TCP header fields |
| 06:15.09 | ssm | oh, the wonders of virtual servers. My dmesg sez: "clocksource/0: Time went backwards:" |
| 06:15.10 | jetx | i dunno about both, either :/ |
| 06:15.11 | mordy | a reason a client would shrink the tcp window size is if the client is behind some kind of bandwidth control mechanism. |
| 06:15.17 | mordy | smaller window size means slower transfers |
| 06:15.18 | anoHito | Wyzard, not bandwidth control, but internet traffic control. |
| 06:15.19 | anddam | thx bye |
| 06:15.29 | jetx | that would need a nor wouldn't it |
| 06:15.40 | jetx | no nm |
| 06:15.54 | ssm | anoHito: that's a fair guess, bandwith shapers messing with the window size |
| 06:15.58 | anoHito | Wyzard, maybe this message can be ingored ? |
| 06:16.43 | ssm | anoHito: I would say so, yes, unless you're debugging a client problem |
| 06:16.52 | Wyzard | anoHito: Since the message ends with "repaired", I'd guess that it probably doesn't indicate a serious problem, but it'd still be good to understand it |
| 06:16.55 | anoHito | ssm, Yes,because google tells there was a resolution for this from questioner, he has solved it by asking the datacentre to de-limit traffic control. |
| 06:17.35 | Wyzard | hmm... I just grepped the whole kernel source tree (current git snapshot) for the string "Treason uncloaked" and didn't find anything |
| 06:17.38 | mordy | the 'treason'here probably means that something is limiting your speed |
| 06:17.46 | anoHito | ssm, i was not debugging anything,by the way, what does that IP stand for ? |
| 06:17.48 | jetx | ? |
| 06:17.49 | ssm | anoHito: The URI I mentioned said that the client IP addresses were used for spamming mail or websites, so I guess they'd be bandwidth shaped by some ISPs |
| 06:17.49 | mordy | Wyzard: well it would be inside a module probably :P |
| 06:17.52 | mordy | oh.. |
| 06:17.53 | mordy | i see |
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| 06:17.56 | anoHito | There is that IP in that message. |
| 06:17.59 | anoHito | 125.69.117.148 |
| 06:18.07 | jetx | is lenny->sidding |
| 06:18.22 | mordy | Wyzard: maybe they fixed this in newer kernels? |
| 06:18.23 | ssm | anoHito: the client ip? That's the IP address of the computer trying to access your server |
| 06:18.33 | Wyzard | anoHito: What kernel version are you running? |
| 06:18.38 | mordy | is there a tcp.c? |
| 06:18.43 | mordy | i guess you could check that |
| 06:18.59 | ssm | anoHito: or did I misunderstand your question? |
| 06:19.20 | mordy | the question is why the client is trying to connect to you on multiple ports |
| 06:19.28 | anoHito | Wyzard, the lastest release cuz i have just done kernel upgrade few days ago, it is 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem |
| 06:19.34 | mordy | eeek |
| 06:19.46 | mordy | lol |
| 06:19.51 | anoHito | ssm, no,you did not. |
| 06:20.05 | mordy | anoHito: get the source and grep it for that message :P |
| 06:20.18 | Wyzard | anoHito: That's not actually the "latest" -- the current release of Debian is lenny, which uses kernel 2.6.26 -- but that's OK, I just wanted to know what version I should be grepping :-) |
| 06:20.22 | mordy | i personally find myself commenting out such debugging messages occasionally |
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| 06:20.31 | mordy | not that .26 is the "latest" either |
| 06:20.32 | mordy | :P |
| 06:20.38 | mordy | but it's the latest in debian stable, yes |
| 06:21.10 | mordy | ok.. any idea on how to fix this kernel issue? |
| 06:21.47 | Wyzard | found the message in net/ipv4/tcp_timer.c, with the comment: "Receiver dastardly shrinks window. Our retransmits become zero probes, but we should not timeout this connection. If the socket is an orphan, time it out, we cannot allow such beasts to hang infinitely." |
| 06:21.55 | mordy | anoHito: also note that the ip address is in china |
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| 06:22.14 | keith4_ | it does indeed sound like a DoS from china |
| 06:22.17 | anoHito | mordy, okay. |
| 06:22.18 | mordy | check your auth.log as well and see if someone isn't trying to log into your ssh as "root" either |
| 06:22.25 | Wyzard | so that forum post about the window size shrinking to zero seems to be accurate |
| 06:22.31 | anoHito | keith4, wait, i forgot to mention. |
| 06:22.33 | mordy | i mean unless you actually think it's likely you have chinese visitors |
| 06:22.53 | mordy | it's Chairman Mao himself! |
| 06:22.57 | Wyzard | mordy: speaking of which, PermitRootLogin ought always be set to "no" |
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| 06:23.04 | anoHito | my server had a big load 1 hour ago or so, i was checking if it's the bots,spiders. |
| 06:23.17 | mordy | anoHito: did you check your auth.log yet? |
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| 06:23.25 | anoHito | big load average 15+ all of a sudden. |
| 06:23.31 | mordy | Wyzard: still they try other names like "Richard" and "nancy" |
| 06:23.32 | mordy | lol |
| 06:23.53 | Wyzard | mordy: I also disable PasswordLogin on my own machines, and allow publickey only :-) |
| 06:24.01 | anoHito | at that time apache had high grade at %CPU |
| 06:24.11 | mordy | Wyzard: meh i don't even have a machine exposed to the internet excpet a dd-wrt box |
| 06:24.17 | ssm | mordy: using fail2ban or denyhosts to stop brute force attacs is recommended :) |
| 06:24.37 | Wyzard | mordy: It's useful to be able to ssh home while away |
| 06:24.39 | mordy | yeah heard of it.. right now i still need to get xen up itself |
| 06:25.06 | mordy | if i do, i forward a different port to port 22 on my box |
| 06:25.07 | bhagat | channel# to enable multicasting between two machines whats the method? I tried #route add -host 228.0.0.4 dev eth0 . |
| 06:25.21 | bhagat | on both machines |
| 06:25.28 | mordy | isn't multicast .239? |
| 06:25.29 | Wyzard | I use Xen on my router, actually |
| 06:25.37 | anoHito | mordy, in auth.log,no record for that ip yet. |
| 06:25.46 | mordy | hmm scroll down, grep |
| 06:25.57 | anoHito | yes,with grep |
| 06:26.00 | mordy | but meh it does look like a DoS |
| 06:26.02 | FFForever | i wonder how long it would take to compile apache on my linksys router XD |
| 06:26.04 | anoHito | more auth.log | grep 125.69.117.148 |
| 06:26.07 | mordy | lol |
| 06:26.11 | mordy | less is more |
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| 06:26.22 | mordy | no need for more | grep |
| 06:26.28 | mordy | just grep <pattern> file |
| 06:26.40 | mordy | anoHito: ohh... |
| 06:26.51 | mordy | grep doesn't like "." - id ont' think |
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| 06:26.59 | mordy | i think you need to escape those with \ |
| 06:27.13 | Siegfried | no . isn't a prob |
| 06:27.15 | mordy | . means "Any character" in regex |
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| 06:27.38 | keith4_ | should be fine, with regular grep |
| 06:27.42 | keith4_ | not with egrep though |
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| 06:27.50 | bhagat | mordy, : 239 ? can I try with route add -host 239.0.0.4 dev eth0 ? |
| 06:28.08 | mordy | bhagat: no, i think the address is 255.255.255.239 for multicast |
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| 06:28.17 | mordy | or somehting like that |
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| 06:28.33 | bhagat | okay how can we check multicasting enabled between those two nodes ? |
| 06:28.44 | infinity_ | i'm creating a patch for a package, but dpatch rejects it. it works with patch -l though. how can i tell dpatch to use -l when applying the patch? |
| 06:28.56 | mordy | maybe tyou want ifconfig to check on that one sec. |
| 06:29.07 | keith4_ | no.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast_address |
| 06:29.10 | mordy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.43 | mordy | oh so he was right.. meh |
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| 06:30.47 | mordy | is tired, hungry, without a normal kernel, and doesn't know what he's talking about |
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| 06:32.08 | mordy | any idea on what's wrong with this kernel? why isn't it booting under xen? i'm getting a kernel panic after a "CPU unsupported" message |
| 06:32.44 | mordy | i'm using the amd64 sid hypervisor kernel and .29 kernel for dom0 |
| 06:33.12 | Sebboh | Mordy, and what cpu do you have? Can you boot off some working kernel and run cpuid? |
| 06:33.19 | Wyzard | mordy: Is it a -xen kernel? |
| 06:33.22 | mordy | Sebboh: i7 - it's ne |
| 06:33.42 | mordy | Wyzard: i was looking for a sid -xen kernel but i was under the impression that >.26 kernels already have xen support |
| 06:33.52 | mordy | and this kernel has CONFIG_XEN=y in it |
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| 06:34.04 | mordy | let me search again |
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| 06:34.10 | Wyzard | mordy: regular kernels have paravirt support for Xen, but that only supports domU |
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| 06:34.26 | Sebboh | I'm no CPU expert, but doesn't intel make the i7? Is amd64 right for that hardware? |
| 06:34.29 | Wyzard | For dom0 you need a kernel with the legacy Xen patch applied |
| 06:34.39 | Wyzard | Sebboh: amd64 == intel64 |
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| 06:35.12 | mordy | Wyzard: ahh so i need to download the .29 source and then apply the patch? |
| 06:35.14 | Sebboh | ok. Is intel's other 64bit thing dead? That ..what was it, IA something? |
| 06:35.37 | mordy | ia64 |
| 06:35.47 | mordy | well it's not dead, it's just not x86 |
| 06:35.49 | nuscire | Hi, guys. How can I display UTF-8 characters in the console mode? locale set to en_US.UTF-8. |
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| 06:36.01 | Wyzard | mordy: lenny has it packaged (e.g. linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-686) |
| 06:36.15 | mordy | yes but i don't want the .26 kernel |
| 06:36.24 | Wyzard | Sebboh: IA64, aka Itanium, aka Itanic |
| 06:36.30 | mordy | it seems to be missing quite a few modules for my new hardware |
| 06:36.59 | Wyzard | mordy: There are 2.6.29-1-xen packages in sid |
| 06:37.06 | mordy | oh really? hmm.. |
| 06:37.06 | Wyzard | probably soon to be replaced by 2.6.29-2-xen |
| 06:37.49 | mordy | one sec... let me search |
| 06:38.08 | mordy | is there a doc or something on how i can add a repository but only allow upgrades and installations manually? |
| 06:38.21 | mordy | and also not allow any overrides or replacements from that repository? |
| 06:38.24 | Sebboh | I just ran a cpu id program on this windows machine, it reports that my CPU is a Pentium D and I have "EM64T". Is there a 64 bit linux for this CPU? |
| 06:38.37 | mordy | EMT64 is intel's implementation of amd64 |
| 06:38.51 | Wyzard | which they now call "Intel 64" |
| 06:39.37 | Sebboh | mordy, I think that Debian is getting better about Xen. As of several months ago, the answer was Just Say No. Those who disagree are welcome to answer my pager. :) |
| 06:39.43 | Wyzard | mordy: The -xen kernel uses the OpenSUSE project's unofficial forward-port of the Xen kernel patch for (IIRC) 2.6.18, which was the last kernel version that was officially supported by the Xen developers before they started working on integrating Xen into the mainstream kernel |
| 06:40.31 | Sebboh | "getting better" may or may not be "there already". *shrug* Just sayin'. |
| 06:40.38 | mordy | Sebboh: i've used xen with debian for quite some time - it's worked fine |
| 06:40.47 | mordy | it's only that i've bought new hardware |
| 06:41.17 | Wyzard | mordy: The Xen patch replaces some of the "standard" Linux drivers with Xen-specific variants -- /dev/hd* are the virtual disks, and /dev/tty0 is the Xen console |
| 06:41.27 | Sebboh | Hm. I try to use nothing newer than testing on production. :P |
| 06:42.03 | Supaplex | untested svn head ftw! fireworks a plenty! :P |
| 06:42.09 | Wyzard | mordy: The paravirt-based implementation in the mainstream kernel has separate device major numbers for Xen stuff, and the devices have different names -- disks are /dev/xvd*, and the console is /dev/hvc0 |
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| 06:42.24 | mordy | yeah.. familiar with all that stuff.. well, sorta |
| 06:42.33 | mordy | a bit rusty on xen as i haven't used it for quite some time |
| 06:42.35 | Sebboh | heh, Supaplex.. "Aww, you let the magic smoke out!" |
| 06:42.42 | mordy | kinda got frustrated at my old machine's 4GB RAM |
| 06:42.57 | Supaplex | Sebboh: :) apt-get install --reinstall magic-smoke |
| 06:43.00 | mordy | lol |
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| 06:43.11 | Wyzard | mordy: That took me by surprise when I upgraded my router to lenny... wasn't getting a login prompt on "xm console" and it turned out I had to edit /etc/inittab to run getty on hvc0 instead of tty0 |
| 06:43.56 | mordy | Wyzard: hehe i actually diidn't have a problem with that :P i changed it beforehand |
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| 06:44.19 | Wyzard | ok, just making sure you're aware of the difference |
| 06:44.23 | mordy | what'a annoying is that centos initrds make it xvc |
| 06:44.46 | mordy | actually i think the debian xen initrd does hda/sda or something like that.. i can check one sec. |
| 06:45.16 | mordy | oh.. xvda for lenny as well |
| 06:45.38 | mordy | hmm.. this is squeeze actually |
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| 06:47.09 | Wyzard | hmm... regarding the "treason uncloaked" message, http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-netdev/2009/2/27/5029354 has an interesting comment |
| 06:47.28 | Wyzard | "the peer didn't actually shrink its window as the message suggests, we had just sent something past it without a permission to do so" |
| 06:47.51 | Wyzard | not clear whether that's true in all cases where the message occurs, or if that was just one of several things that could trigger it |
| 06:48.05 | mordy | lol |
| 06:48.31 | Supaplex | !excuse |
| 06:48.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, excuse is http://www.randomexcuse.com/ |
| 06:48.48 | Supaplex | epsilon: forget excuse |
| 06:48.56 | Supaplex | er nm that. |
| 06:49.00 | Supaplex | dpkg: forget excuse |
| 06:49.01 | dpkg | Supaplex: i forgot excuse |
| 06:49.21 | mordy | hmm.. i've got no idea how to search on packages.debian.org |
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| 06:50.18 | Supaplex | dpkg: excuse is http://www.strauss.za.com/sla/support.html |
| 06:50.18 | dpkg | okay, Supaplex |
| 06:50.39 | Supaplex | Wyzard: so, the excuse I just got was, Temporary, unreplicatable library unavailability. that's why. ;) |
| 06:51.42 | mordy | sigh |
| 06:51.56 | Wyzard | haxi: http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0812.2/01510.html |
| 06:52.06 | Wyzard | oops, that was supposed to be "ha:" |
| 06:52.39 | Wyzard | A patch titled "Stop scaring users with 'treason uncloaked!'" changed the message to say "peer unexpectedly shrunk window" |
| 06:53.21 | ssm | Wyzard: beautiful :) |
| 06:53.25 | Wyzard | "Since we have established that the blame is equally possible to be the local as the remote system" |
| 06:53.35 | mordy | ;p; |
| 06:53.38 | mordy | lol |
| 06:54.02 | Wyzard | That's new in 2.6.29 btw |
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| 06:54.29 | mordy | and i can't find 2.6.29-1-xen-amd64 |
| 06:54.39 | mordy | see what i'm missing? |
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| 06:55.29 | Wyzard | oh... I'm sorry, I did "apt-cache search xen" on my sid system and saw linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 and misread the "26" as "29" |
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| 06:55.47 | mordy | oh.. so i do need the patch then? |
| 06:55.48 | Wyzard | Apparently it doesn't exist after all |
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| 06:56.16 | Wyzard | If you really want to try doing it manually, but there might not *be* a Xen patch for 2.6.29 |
| 06:56.34 | Wyzard | The only reason there was one for 2.6.26 was because OpenSUSE did the work of forward-porting the 2.6.18 one |
| 06:56.57 | Wyzard | For awhile it was looking like lenny would have no dom0 support at all, before OpenSUSE did that work and Debian decided to use it |
| 06:57.23 | mordy | so it's either (1) finding out and looking for a xen patch for the .29 kernel or (2) finding ouut which modules are missing for my system on .29 and then buidling those |
| 06:57.44 | Wyzard | The Xen developers don't maintain it anymore; I think they're focusing on the paravirt implementation, presumably working to make it support dom0 |
| 06:58.07 | mordy | you mean a unified kernel of sorts? |
| 06:58.36 | Shadur | Gah, pidgin's suddenly throwing a fit. |
| 06:58.58 | Wyzard | paravirt is the framework that lets the ordinary vanilla kernel use paravirtualization where available, without having to be specially modified for it |
| 06:58.58 | Shadur | Okay, looks like it was one of the plugins. |
| 06:59.10 | Wyzard | You can boot the same kernel on bare metal, VMware VMI, and Xen domU |
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| 06:59.39 | mordy | sounds nice |
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| 07:00.26 | Wyzard | As I understand it, the kernel can be compiled with code for all those cases -- different implementations of the same functions -- and then select during boot time which implementation to use |
| 07:01.17 | Wyzard | by populating a table of function pointers called paravirt_ops, with pointers to the bare-metal functions or the Xen functions or the VMI functions or whatever |
| 07:01.27 | mordy | http://bderzhavets.wordpress.com/2009/03/29/setup-xen-unstable-dom0-with-2629-tip-pvops-enabled-kernel/ |
| 07:01.34 | mordy | but it's tagged as 'unstable' |
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| 07:02.18 | Wyzard | hmm, that suggests that paravirt-based dom0 is working or mostly working in 2.6.29 |
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| 07:02.46 | mordy | i'd like a debian kernel if possible though.. on my main system at least |
| 07:02.51 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 07:03.07 | mordy | i'm using this kernel though for another machine :P |
| 07:03.11 | mordy | Linux babybox 2.6.30-rc4-wlgah-dirty #20 Mon May 4 11:33:56 EDT 2009 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 07:03.12 | Wyzard | Compiling kernels and hypervisors from source and installing them manually isn't great for the cleanliness and long-term maintainability of an installation |
| 07:03.27 | Wyzard | What driver problems did you have with 2.6.26? |
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| 07:03.55 | mordy | Wyzard: i don't know. for one my sensors module was not available - i didn't check to see what else was missing |
| 07:04.10 | Wyzard | That's probably not a big deal |
| 07:04.39 | mordy | maybe i can try an lsmod on both of them and see what's missing? but that won't account for <*> |
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| 07:05.34 | Wyzard | You could diff the config files that they were compiled with |
| 07:05.47 | mordy | and this machine takes over a minute to boot for some reason, but that happens with both kernels |
| 07:05.51 | Wyzard | but it's likely to be a code difference, not a config difference |
| 07:05.57 | mordy | could be something to do with the sata controller |
| 07:06.24 | mordy | config diff would give me a lot of stuff that dont' apply though.. but let me check |
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| 07:08.29 | mordy | brb yet again.. |
| 07:08.39 | Wyzard | I should go to sleep, actually |
| 07:08.41 | Wyzard | 3am here |
| 07:08.51 | mordy | haha here too |
| 07:09.07 | Wyzard | good luck with the Xen stuff |
| 07:09.13 | mordy | thanks for the help |
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| 07:14.20 | mordy | gah... 2.6.26-2 won't even boot |
| 07:14.48 | mordy | in fact, i think it's _ONLY_ either the xen 2.6.26 kernel OR the non-xen 2.6.29 kernel that boots |
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| 07:16.41 | mordy | hmm... strange.. apparently it didn't like something in the bios |
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| 07:17.54 | Wyzard | Speaking of the BIOS, and since you mentioned the SATA controller earlier, one last thing before I actually go to bed: set your SATA controller to AHCI mode in the BIOS setup |
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| 07:18.11 | mordy | hmm.. i coudl try to do that |
| 07:18.18 | Wyzard | The default mode is legacy ICH6-compatible mode, but AHCI is much better |
| 07:18.28 | SauLus | how do I let vim tell me the flags it was compiled with? |
| 07:18.32 | Wyzard | You get hotplug and NCQ |
| 07:18.53 | Wyzard | and the AHCI spec is open so no reverse-engineering was needed to write the driver |
| 07:19.25 | mordy | i think what happened when i tried ahci is that i was getting some kind of strange raid prompt |
| 07:19.43 | Wyzard | hmm, in my BIOS, AHCI and RAID are two separate settings |
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| 07:19.59 | mordy | let me reboot and see what happens |
| 07:19.59 | Wyzard | I've never used the RAID setting so I don't know anything about it |
| 07:20.07 | Wyzard | but definitely use AHCI if you can |
| 07:20.08 | mordy | neither have i :P |
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| 07:20.37 | Wyzard | I think the only reason the legacy ICH6 emulation is the default is because the Windows XP installer supports that :-) |
| 07:20.49 | Wyzard | (and doesn't support AHCI) |
| 07:21.01 | mordy | ok enabled ahci.. let's see what happens |
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| 07:22.22 | mordy | i'm thinking that it's taking so long because it's probing all the 50 sata controllers and 100 usb hubs, or whatever this thign has |
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| 07:22.59 | Wyzard | I don't know what kind of motherboard you have, but all the current Intel chipsets I know of have six SATA ports |
| 07:23.19 | Wyzard | but if you built this machine because 4GB of RAM in the old one wasn't enough, I'm guessing it's not using a desktop PC motherboard |
| 07:23.46 | Wyzard | Anyway, so what if it takes a minute to boot? |
| 07:23.51 | Wyzard | You won't be doing it often |
| 07:23.56 | mordy | this one has ten |
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| 07:24.20 | mordy | it's an x58 motherboard, they call it a 'gaming' system or 'high-end desktop' |
| 07:24.26 | Wyzard | ok |
| 07:24.33 | mordy | for the new i7 platform |
| 07:24.37 | Wyzard | I guess they added more ports in the latest chipset |
| 07:24.57 | mordy | well it's got 6 sata and 4 "GSATA" whatever that means |
| 07:25.12 | Wyzard | ah, probably two different controllers then |
| 07:25.26 | Wyzard | Six from the Intel chipset, plus another controller built in |
| 07:25.42 | mordy | let me see the 200 page manual that came with this board |
| 07:26.03 | Wyzard | Both my systems here have a JMicron controller in addition to the Intel one |
| 07:26.27 | Wyzard | I'd stick with the Intel one unless you have more than six drives |
| 07:26.40 | Wyzard | but I wouldn't worry too much about boot time |
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| 07:26.54 | Wyzard | anyway, I'm going to sleep now :-) |
| 07:26.56 | mordy | nah, only two drives here.. i should perhaps check and see what they're attached to |
| 07:27.00 | mordy | well good night :D |
| 07:27.05 | Wyzard | goodnight |
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| 07:29.56 | WormFood | does anyone have a valid serial number for debian 5.0? |
| 07:30.06 | mordy | serial number? |
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| 07:30.17 | WormFood | yeah |
| 07:30.27 | mordy | i've never heard of such a thing for debian |
| 07:30.31 | WormFood | mordy, you running a crack, that don't need a serial number? |
| 07:30.41 | liable | WeHaX0rzJ00x03719 |
| 07:30.49 | mordy | ROTFL |
| 07:31.01 | mordy | what's the last word? |
| 07:31.28 | liable | just part of the serial No |
| 07:31.28 | WormFood | j00...it means "you" |
| 07:31.36 | mordy | but the one after that |
| 07:31.44 | WormFood | just numbers after that |
| 07:31.45 | mordy | the x03719 |
| 07:32.06 | WormFood | that is the serial number part |
| 07:32.09 | liable | needs 15 digits |
| 07:32.14 | mordy | lol |
| 07:32.34 | mordy | ahh so this was a joke lol |
| 07:32.39 | WormFood | yours needs 15 digits? I must have the new one, it is asking for 32 digits |
| 07:32.52 | mordy | mine wants 1024 digits |
| 07:33.11 | WormFood | yeah, 1024 binary digits |
| 07:33.18 | mordy | in some exotic 13 bit encoding |
| 07:33.32 | mordy | i think ISO1337 |
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| 07:34.31 | WormFood | and the send the serial number to you, via tcp/ip over carrier pigeon |
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| 07:35.46 | mordy | WormFood: i thought they used IPX |
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| 07:36.23 | mordy | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Debian |
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| 07:43.03 | Cope | Hi - I need to set up a remote access VPN to allow some users access to a windows box in the office; I have an external static IP available - any recommendations? Is openvpn the way to go? |
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| 07:44.58 | WormFood | yeah, I think so...openvpn is pretty sweet |
| 07:45.29 | WormFood | I personally use openvpn to get around the great firewall of china (I have openvpn on my computer in usa) |
| 07:45.44 | Cope | Do I only need one NIC in the vpn server? |
| 07:45.51 | Cope | Or is 2 required? |
| 07:46.12 | simonrvn | The IT Great Wall of China, heh. |
| 07:46.34 | osfd | mordy: they're jaleous...! |
| 07:46.56 | mordy | osfd: it's hillarious though :P |
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| 07:47.59 | osfd | mordy: true... |
| 07:48.17 | mordy | they poke fun at everything though - i like that site.. |
| 07:48.34 | mordy | grrr... why is this driver detecting a link being up on a device which has no cable attached to it? |
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| 07:50.51 | WormFood | Cope, you only need 1 nic...of course, it depends on what you're doing |
| 07:51.03 | WormFood | openvpn makes a LOGICAL network, not a physical network |
| 07:51.51 | WormFood | my computer in China, and usa only has 1 network interface....I make a logical connection from China to usa, then the address I route over the vpn goes to my usa computer...in and out on the same physical interface |
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| 07:53.43 | Xor1ng | I have a problem, http://pastebin.ca/1415110 |
| 07:53.49 | Xor1ng | any ideas? |
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| 07:55.56 | buddy` | hello, does vim has built in support on debian? |
| 07:56.25 | buddy` | hello, does vim has built in support to Cscope on debian? |
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| 08:00.25 | simonrvn | buddy`: install cscope, and configure. |
| 08:00.29 | Pulpie | whats the best flash player to install, |
| 08:00.52 | Pulpie | the one i currently have install runs slow. |
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| 08:01.33 | Supaplex | get out and push ;) |
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| 08:02.39 | Pulpie | Supaplex: if you dont have decent suggestions dont make them at all, it wastes bandwidth. |
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| 08:06.22 | mordy | hmm.. where do i get the source for the xen kernel?P |
| 08:06.29 | mordy | or is the patch itself available as a package? |
| 08:07.10 | mordy | i'm trying to compile a module for the xen kernel |
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| 08:18.04 | Supaplex | Pulpie: it's called humor. appolgies if you're too serious to laugh a little. |
| 08:18.24 | wariola | hi |
| 08:18.26 | mordy | lol |
| 08:18.33 | wariola | anyone knows the current etch repo? |
| 08:18.50 | wariola | couldnt find it |
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| 08:19.05 | H2S04 | Supaplex, omg you're wasting bandwidth stop it ;) |
| 08:19.14 | Supaplex | there's a good chance any lenny mirror would also be an etch mirror. |
| 08:19.20 | Supaplex | !mirrors |
| 08:19.20 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>. |
| 08:19.27 | Pulpie | i only laugh when something is funny |
| 08:19.31 | Brack10 | hey there...I'm using dd to copy /dev/cdrom to /dev/sdb5 partition. Can I increase the blocksize? this is SOOO slow |
| 08:19.51 | H2S04 | Pulpie, I only laugh when things are not funny, but I'm a non-conformist. |
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| 08:20.31 | wariola | thanks |
| 08:21.04 | Supaplex | Brack10: well sure. bs=1M should be a lot faster. kind of odd to store it on sdb5, but ok I suppose... |
| 08:21.31 | Brack10 | Supaplex: I'm trying osx86 |
| 08:22.01 | Brack10 | is there anything wrong with increasing block size? |
| 08:22.10 | Supaplex | but why it's a partition you're copying it to, and not a normal file is what makes me wonder. |
| 08:22.31 | Brack10 | I'm trying to transfer the dvd bit by bit to a partition on the usb drive |
| 08:22.34 | Supaplex | nope. larger bs= size meanes you'll copy less 'blocks' of that size. |
| 08:22.47 | Pulpie | how do i figure out what flash player iceweasel is using |
| 08:23.02 | Brack10 | because it's hfs and I can't read the files |
| 08:23.10 | Brack10 | so I'm using DD to transfer bit by bit |
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| 08:24.13 | Brack10 | or block by block |
| 08:24.16 | Pulpie | H2S04: you must be great at funerals |
| 08:24.21 | mordy | hmm.. what's the vairble that sets my include path? |
| 08:24.24 | Supaplex | don't worry about it. I guess you have a plan for that. I was talking about the destination. contents of the body is not really relavant there. |
| 08:24.44 | mordy | trying to compile a module here |
| 08:25.15 | Brack10 | well I don't really know wtf I'm doing |
| 08:25.21 | Brack10 | but apparently this works |
| 08:26.06 | Brack10 | ok now it's copying way faster than is possible |
| 08:26.09 | Brack10 | and it's not spinning the DVD |
| 08:28.11 | Supaplex | Brack10: sounds like the kernel is caching it. |
| 08:28.28 | Brack10 | Linux. Is there anything it can't do? |
| 08:28.58 | Pulpie | Brack10: video games. |
| 08:29.00 | Supaplex | it hasn't found my missing tape backup cartridge yet. |
| 08:29.27 | Supaplex | Brack10: it can't teach the ignorant. |
| 08:29.37 | Brack10 | it can do video games, developers just choose not to do it |
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| 08:29.45 | Brack10 | except awesome ones like ID |
| 08:30.14 | Supaplex | is itching to play tuxracer now |
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| 08:32.27 | X-TaZ | Hi. I'm experiencing great difficulties to gget DHCP-SERVER working. I need to setup on with NIC it should use, but i can't find how to |
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| 08:32.55 | Supaplex | rolls a local backport of gnash |
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| 08:34.00 | Supaplex | X-TaZ: see if there's an init.d source snippet in /etc/default/ |
| 08:34.11 | Pulpie | Brack10: it should be able to run windows programs |
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| 08:34.31 | Supaplex | windows should be able to run irix programs |
| 08:34.31 | Brack10 | Pulpie: go tell Bill Gates that |
| 08:34.50 | Supaplex | besides, winehq.org has some nice things working |
| 08:35.13 | Brack10 | this is true |
| 08:35.20 | Supaplex | wince should be able to run a phone without crashing. |
| 08:35.25 | Supaplex | kisses his G1 phone |
| 08:35.32 | Brack10 | it's amazing they've been able to reverse engineer Windows APIs so well |
| 08:35.33 | X-TaZ | i'll take a look at it Supaplex |
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| 08:36.34 | Supaplex | Brack10: well, it's not very compatible when running viruses. :( kinda sucky ;) hehehe. |
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| 08:36.49 | Supaplex | someone made a funny blog post about it |
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| 08:36.54 | Brack10 | yeah |
| 08:36.55 | X-TaZ | Supaplex, well yes there is a file ( dhcp3-server ) in it with "INTERFACES="eth1" " its what i want. But still fails on starting the daemon |
| 08:37.11 | Brack10 | you can always just uninstall wine |
| 08:37.17 | Brack10 | then boom viruses are gone |
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| 08:37.31 | Supaplex | X-TaZ: fails how? do you have more than one subnet configured on the nic? bad config? |
| 08:37.36 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 08:37.37 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". |
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| 08:39.21 | X-TaZ | its written "fails" when i /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start. When i'm looking on the syslogs ( it tells me to look in it ) , syslog tells my to setup on witch interface it have to listen to. ( not yet configured ) |
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| 08:40.55 | Pulpie | so |
| 08:40.57 | X-TaZ | Supaplex, i have only one subnet configured on the nic |
| 08:41.20 | ananthgs | does any one know where is the link to configure a cisco voip softphone for Lenny?????? |
| 08:41.37 | ananthgs | my office uses h.323 protocol only |
| 08:41.50 | ananthgs | but still want to configure the cisco softphone |
| 08:41.58 | voodoor | I've used debmirror to download source and i386 for lenny. I've already used debpartial to create repo archive DVDs for the binaries but no I want to do the same but I'm not quite sure what switches I use for source only |
| 08:42.15 | ananthgs | could not run the exe file using wine |
| 08:42.23 | ananthgs | can someone help me out????? |
| 08:42.32 | voodoor | now I want to use debpartial to create DVDs for the source debs, but how? |
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| 08:42.55 | DaveWM | ananthgs, you could try virtualbox |
| 08:43.06 | DaveWM | wine is limited |
| 08:43.08 | Supaplex | X-TaZ: humm... I haven't quite migrated my openwrt box to lenny, but maybe you can run dhcpd -d to see what is going on. |
| 08:43.22 | Supaplex | ananthgs: or search for a native linux soft phone. |
| 08:43.27 | Supaplex | !tell ananthgs -about search |
| 08:43.36 | ananthgs | DaveWM - using virtual box for installing XP? |
| 08:43.45 | DaveWM | yeah, i guess |
| 08:43.50 | Supaplex | ananthgs: yes. billygatesOS. |
| 08:44.15 | DaveWM | its an alternative, but Supaplex's suggestion may be more practical |
| 08:44.17 | DaveWM | heh |
| 08:44.18 | ananthgs | DaveWM Supaplex : I dont want to do that |
| 08:44.26 | ananthgs | I dont want to install xp |
| 08:44.36 | DaveWM | yea |
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| 08:45.03 | X-TaZ | Supaplex, dhcpd -d don't work |
| 08:45.07 | Supaplex | humm soft phone in a squishy os under virtuilization. sounds laggy already. |
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| 08:46.21 | Talus_Laptop | greetings |
| 08:46.23 | enouf | X-TaZ: check /etc/initramfs-tool/initramfs.conf ..or is that only NFS related? seems so .. nm |
| 08:46.27 | Supaplex | X-TaZ: dpkg -L dhcp3-server | grep bin/ should offer clues. |
| 08:46.33 | DaveWM | ananthgs http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=LEK&q=debian+softphone+h.323&btnG=Search |
| 08:46.43 | DaveWM | the first result looks like it may be helpful |
| 08:47.04 | Talus_Laptop | is there any tool to configure the ethernet? like system-config-network? in debian 5? |
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| 08:47.39 | X-TaZ | Supaplex, it tells me /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 |
| 08:47.43 | Pythonoras | hi |
| 08:47.48 | voodoor | When I made my binary archives (I wanted separate sets of DVDs for binaries and source you see) with debpartial I used the --nosource option but theres no --nobinaries option. Surely I don't need to now delete all the binaries? |
| 08:47.56 | Pythonoras | i'm using nvidia, and have two monitors |
| 08:48.01 | Supaplex | X-TaZ: run dhcpd3 -d then. |
| 08:48.12 | Pythonoras | is there a way to activate the other monitor without restarting x? |
| 08:48.13 | Supaplex | X-TaZ: I believe the default is all interfaces. |
| 08:48.40 | ananthgs | DaveWM: yep I have ekiga configured |
| 08:48.50 | X-TaZ | /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf line 19: subnet 14.1.170.0 netmask 255.0.0.0: bad subnet number/mask combination. |
| 08:48.50 | X-TaZ | subnet 14.1.170.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 |
| 08:48.54 | X-TaZ | erm :x |
| 08:49.04 | ananthgs | DaveWM I am yet to get the sip address from my office folks |
| 08:49.05 | DaveWM | doesnt work ananthgs? |
| 08:49.06 | enouf | that too |
| 08:49.10 | DaveWM | ah |
| 08:49.18 | DaveWM | i don't know anything about soft phones really |
| 08:49.18 | ananthgs | that is the problem DaveWM |
| 08:49.23 | Supaplex | voodoor: if you have rsync installed, you could use --dry-run to get an idea of what files don't exist there. |
| 08:49.27 | DaveWM | heck, i just used skype for the first time today |
| 08:49.28 | DaveWM | heh |
| 08:49.35 | ananthgs | oh ok |
| 08:49.59 | X-TaZ | My subnet isnt 255.0.0.0 for the 14.1.170.0 subnet ? |
| 08:50.03 | mordy | how do i get a ready source for the xen dom0 kernel? |
| 08:50.21 | voodoor | Supaplex: I've already fully downloaded lenny- what good is rsync in me trying to archive my debs? |
| 08:50.39 | mordy | i did apt-get source linux-image-xen-2.6.26 and i got a regular source tree (it seems) |
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| 08:50.55 | petemc | mordy: that should be a prebuilt kernel |
| 08:51.11 | voodoor | I'm creating apt-friendly Debian archive DVDs |
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| 08:51.22 | Supaplex | voodoor: you want seperate dvds for binary, and source. right? |
| 08:51.25 | mordy | hmmm... perhaps i should ask my question in a different way |
| 08:51.31 | voodoor | Supaplex: Yes |
| 08:52.02 | Supaplex | voodoor: and does this tool you are using populate a staging directory, or list packages used when using --nosource at all? |
| 08:52.17 | mordy | i need to use an updated kernel module - i have new hardware that isn't supported by the module in the .26 kernel |
| 08:52.36 | petemc | mordy: you probably just need the headers |
| 08:52.51 | petemc | linux-headers-2.6.26-1-xen-686 or some such |
| 08:52.53 | mordy | petemc: yeah, but i don't know how to compile the kernel against those headers |
| 08:53.13 | petemc | the module? |
| 08:53.32 | mordy | i did gcc -I /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r` -Wall it87.c -o it87.ko |
| 08:53.37 | mordy | but it gave me a flood of errors |
| 08:53.43 | Supaplex | X-TaZ: it might help if we saw the conf on a paste site. |
| 08:53.59 | mordy | err.. well i gave it a different path |
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| 08:54.38 | WormFood | why is pidgin broken in lenny, and where the hell are the god damn chinese fonts? |
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| 08:55.33 | _osiris | trying to create a custom kernel because of a change I need in accraid.h, but so far I end up debian only finding 1 out of 2 cores |
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| 08:55.44 | _osiris | using the stock kernel I get 2 cores |
| 08:55.49 | tamizh_geek | pidgin often breaks in lenny :-( |
| 08:56.10 | andresinix | Tut mir leid, wo kann ich auf Deutsch sprechen? |
| 08:56.19 | deed02392 | Tja! |
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| 08:56.27 | Supaplex | yay for Psi |
| 08:56.30 | deed02392 | auf #debian-fur-deutsch |
| 08:56.30 | Supaplex | !de |
| 08:56.31 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 08:56.40 | SparFux | Hello all. |
| 08:56.40 | WormFood | ok fine...I can compile pidgin from source....but what about the chinese fonts? |
| 08:56.51 | Supaplex | did you search for any? |
| 08:56.51 | andresinix | danke! |
| 08:56.59 | Supaplex | andresinix: any time :) |
| 08:57.05 | tamizh_geek | i haven't tried. |
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| 08:57.30 | enouf | mordy: use module-assistant |
| 08:57.34 | WormFood | no scim in lenny...fuck this...I'll upgrade this to sid...at least it works |
| 08:57.43 | mordy | enouf: the module does not come in a package |
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| 08:58.02 | mordy | hmm.. but let me see if i can use it with just a bare source file |
| 08:58.05 | DaveWM | any difference in flash video performance in opera browser plugin vs firefox's ? |
| 08:58.09 | enouf | even the source mordy ? |
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| 08:58.33 | mordy | what do you mean? |
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| 08:58.45 | enouf | the module source |
| 08:58.56 | tamizh_geek | i have flash player installed in lenny. but still mozilla says missing flash plugin?? |
| 08:59.02 | mordy | the module source is just a simple file - i need to work with that |
| 08:59.07 | enouf | squashfs-source-something |
| 08:59.19 | mordy | here's the diff between the module i have and the module i want to use |
| 08:59.20 | mordy | http://pastebin.com/f6d1cba31 |
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| 08:59.35 | enouf | that's not what i asked |
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| 08:59.49 | xorg | hi |
| 08:59.49 | xorg | tamizh_geek: restart FF |
| 09:00.15 | tamizh_geek | i have done many times. |
| 09:00.17 | voodoor | I used a command like this to mirror Lenny: |
| 09:00.19 | voodoor | debmirror --passive --host=mirror.switch.ch --root=/debian --method=http --progress --dist=lenny --section=main,contrib,non-free --arch=i386 ~/Lenny --ignore-release-gpg |
| 09:00.29 | tamizh_geek | remember i installed FF from source |
| 09:00.48 | voodoor | Now I need to use debpartial, somehow, to archive off just the source packages |
| 09:00.57 | xorg | tamizh_geek: how did you installed flash plugin ? |
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| 09:01.26 | tamizh_geek | manual install from adobe site. |
| 09:01.28 | mordy | enouf: so what did you ask then? the module is not an external module per se; if i had the source for the kernel i'm using (or if i knew how to make the source tree i got from apt-source into the actual source for the kernel i'm using) then i'd just do make ..../it87.ko |
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| 09:01.41 | voodoor | I think |
| 09:02.55 | SparFux | What is the best way to disable a module? I see several thing, /etc/hotplug, /etc/discover.d/ /etc/modutils, /etc/modprobe.d/ ... |
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| 09:03.11 | xorg | tamizh_geek: no DCC chat with me :X |
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| 09:03.57 | tamizh_geek | sorry |
| 09:04.20 | tamizh_geek | xorg:sorry man |
| 09:04.43 | batman_ramirez | lawlz |
| 09:05.21 | xorg | wait my connection suck |
| 09:05.59 | Supaplex | X-TaZ: one other thing. any special reason you're avoiding RFC 1918 address space? |
| 09:06.06 | xorg | tamizh_geek: install flashplugin-nonfree from backports or http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html |
| 09:07.28 | Supaplex | eg, 10/8, 192.168/16, 172.16/28 (I think?) |
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| 09:07.56 | enouf | mordy: that looks like a kernel patch or something .. a diff file too |
| 09:08.20 | mordy | enouf: i made the diff :P |
| 09:08.25 | enouf | ,,, |
| 09:08.41 | Supaplex | enouf: you and your <ep>. :) |
| 09:08.51 | enouf | anyways, you asked about an /include path, that would be /lib/modules/2.6 |
| 09:09.05 | enouf | anyways, you asked about an /include path, that would be /lib/modules/2.6-xxxx/build/include |
| 09:09.40 | mordy | oh ok.. let's see how that works |
| 09:09.43 | enouf | erm .. wait |
| 09:09.58 | mordy | ouch.. no :( |
| 09:10.02 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.30 | mordy | i just posted the diff if anyone here would maybe give some insight if this module used some really new features which aren't present in .26 |
| 09:10.30 | enouf | so it points to? /usr/src/*/include/ ? |
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| 09:10.47 | mordy | yeah it's a symlink |
| 09:10.56 | tamizh_geek | xorg: i have downloaded tar.gz archive. how to proceed then? |
| 09:10.56 | enouf | readlink -f |
| 09:11.22 | mordy | /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64/include |
| 09:11.31 | enouf | the symlink is generated when you install -headers ... make sure you have correct -headers- installed |
| 09:11.39 | mordy | yeah compiling agianst that gives me a ton of errors |
| 09:11.59 | enouf | patch the kernel :-P |
| 09:12.05 | Supaplex | hummm my brain HZ. time(&bed); |
| 09:12.13 | mordy | yeah, i don't have the souorce for that kernel though |
| 09:12.14 | xorg | tamizh_geek: are you done ? |
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| 09:12.20 | enouf | get it |
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| 09:12.31 | mordy | i mean how do i make the source i got from apt-source into a ready source tree for my kernel? |
| 09:12.41 | xorg | tamizh_geek: extract it |
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| 09:12.52 | mordy | i'm guessing it downloads the xen-specific patches and places them in a different directory |
| 09:14.27 | mordy | but when i compile the module from that source tree and run modinfo on the module i get vermagic: 2.6.26 SMP mod_unload modversions |
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| 09:15.50 | mordy | am i supposed to apply the ./debian/patches against the kernel? |
| 09:16.40 | enouf | there is/was a linux-patch-version package .. but that was for xen (and other things like openvz) when it wasn;t in the kernel back in .18 era |
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| 09:17.18 | mordy | it's still not in the kernel |
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| 09:17.26 | enouf | ... |
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| 09:17.55 | mordy | dom0 is not in the mainline kernel |
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| 09:19.59 | mordy | gah i just want this module compiled for my kernel |
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| 09:24.04 | mordy | or in other words, what do i do after this? apt-src install linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
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| 09:30.16 | mordy | hmm... maybe... |
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| 09:30.33 | mordy | is gencontrol what i should be looking at? |
| 09:30.52 | mordy | reading the README in the ./debian folder |
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| 09:33.47 | tamizh-geek | xorg: i am done. thank you |
| 09:34.09 | mordy | "Typical use is too ugly to be presented here." lol |
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| 09:36.33 | mordy | hmm... i think i get the idea of what i'm supposed to do here |
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| 09:39.17 | superlinux | hi all |
| 09:39.32 | superlinux | i am here to have fun helping people. |
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| 09:39.45 | mordy | hehe that's nice to hear |
| 09:39.46 | liable | ok |
| 09:39.54 | mordy | so help me figure out what to do with this debian source tree |
| 09:39.55 | superlinux | ..of course as much as I can |
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| 09:40.21 | superlinux | mordy which tree is that? |
| 09:40.42 | mordy | superlinux: what i'm guessing is that there's a generic source tree for all debian kernels |
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| 09:41.09 | mordy | and then there is a set of patches and config options in the ./debian folder whihch i am supposed to apply to the kernel using one of the programs in the ./debian/bin directory |
| 09:41.11 | superlinux | i dont know |
| 09:41.20 | superlinux | however any kernel would do |
| 09:41.22 | mordy | the problem is that i'm still not clear on what i'm supposed to do |
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| 09:41.48 | superlinux | i sometimes doenload vanilla kernel. i just works. |
| 09:42.39 | superlinux | i sometimes doenload vanilla kernel. it just works. |
| 09:42.39 | mordy | i'd like to use a debian kernel if i can |
| 09:42.39 | superlinux | do that. no worries |
| 09:42.39 | superlinux | and another thing.. |
| 09:42.40 | liable | mordy: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
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| 09:43.09 | superlinux | if u have many CPU's showing to your system . use them all |
| 09:43.31 | mordy | i've got 8 logical cores here |
| 09:43.44 | superlinux | liable. true, you are. it's a long topic to be done on IRC |
| 09:43.58 | superlinux | mordy COOL! |
| 09:44.02 | superlinux | use them all |
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| 09:44.32 | superlinux | lemme see which environment variable to set |
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| 09:45.41 | superlinux | mordy you'll notice that the files are compiled randomly in SMP mode |
| 09:45.56 | mordy | i use -j 10 - yes i realize that :P |
| 09:46.01 | superlinux | noooo! |
| 09:46.04 | superlinux | dont |
| 09:46.17 | mordy | what's wrong with -j 10? |
| 09:46.38 | mordy | i've got eight logical cores |
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| 09:48.23 | superlinux | mordy dont use it AT the kernel build time |
| 09:48.42 | superlinux | u may use it AT the makemenuconfig time |
| 09:48.48 | mordy | there's a CONCURRENCY_LEVEL vairable for make-kpkg but i haven't used it in a while |
| 09:49.07 | superlinux | yes that's the one i am looking for |
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| 09:49.18 | superlinux | "CONCURRENCY_LEVEL" |
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| 09:50.20 | amphi | using CONCURRENCY_LEVEL has never caused me problems |
| 09:50.30 | amphi | superlinux: what problems have you had with it? |
| 09:50.45 | _osiris | still stuck, anyone of the late arrivals feeling like giving a helping hand? trying to compile a custom kernel (because of a change I need in aacraid.h), but I keep ending up with only 1 CPU core with custom kernel, as compared to 2 when I use the stock kernel shipped with debian lenny |
| 09:51.02 | gps23 | hi |
| 09:51.33 | mordy | is there a way to see what version the kernel tree is? |
| 09:51.37 | superlinux | mordy http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Building_your_own_v2.6.x_Kernel_in_the_Debian_manner. |
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| 09:52.05 | superlinux | mordy i donno |
| 09:52.21 | amphi | mordy: the Makefile? |
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| 09:52.32 | mordy | hmm maybe lol |
| 09:52.34 | superlinux | amphi true. |
| 09:52.39 | superlinux | it's there |
| 09:52.52 | mordy | yes.. i was looking for the -xen |
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| 09:53.29 | gps23 | please tell me how to display CPU temp in conky without using acpi |
| 09:54.06 | amphi | gps23: temps should be available in sysfs |
| 09:54.10 | gps23 | lm-sensors is showing CPU temp, but i am unable to find correspoing variable in conky |
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| 09:55.13 | gps23 | amphi, i have checked /sys but i didn't found anything relevent |
| 09:55.38 | mordy | browse around /sys/class/hwmon/ |
| 09:55.53 | mordy | if it's not there you don't have the proper modules loaded |
| 09:55.55 | superlinux | gps23 there is thru the /proc too |
| 09:56.08 | mordy | the temps in /proc are via acpi but he doesn't want apci |
| 09:56.25 | gps23 | mordy, in the /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon0/devices there are so many files, may be around 100 |
| 09:56.35 | mordy | gps23: yeah you hvae a lot of sensors :P |
| 09:56.45 | mordy | the names arent't that crpytic though |
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| 09:56.56 | mordy | the pwm tihngies are for your fans, the in thingies are for your voltages |
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| 09:57.01 | freaky_t | hi all im trying to set up samba on debian lenny 5 with openvpn (it should listen in the vpn) i have set the correct interfaces but in log.nmbd it says: |
| 09:57.01 | freaky_t | [2009/05/07 11:56:53, 0] lib/interface.c:load_interfaces(543) |
| 09:57.01 | freaky_t | WARNING: no network interfaces found |
| 09:57.05 | freaky_t | can anyone help me? :D |
| 09:57.09 | gps23 | mordy, actually i have a folder acpi in proc but its mostly empty, all the texts i googled refer to files in /proc/acpi which don't exist on my system |
| 09:57.26 | freaky_t | the guys in #samba dont answer me and im trying this since 2 days now |
| 09:57.29 | mordy | gps23: it should be in the hwmon directory anyway |
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| 09:57.44 | mordy | actually i'm tryhing to get the module for my sensor chip compiled now :P |
| 09:58.47 | gps23 | i am confused why there are non existent files in /proc/acpi, even though acpi is running |
| 09:59.19 | mordy | what do you mean non-existent? |
| 09:59.27 | amphi | there they aren't! |
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| 10:00.29 | amphi | gps23: is CONFIG_ACPI_PROCFS set in your kernel config? |
| 10:00.31 | superlinux | gps23... some modules are not ON ? could't be? |
| 10:00.33 | gps23 | amphi, mordy yes, /proc/acpi/thermal_zone folder is empty |
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| 10:00.49 | gps23 | thats y i am searching for a way without using acpi |
| 10:00.55 | amphi | gps23: thermal module is loaded? |
| 10:01.23 | gps23 | amphi, a module names thermal_sys is loaded |
| 10:01.27 | gps23 | named* |
| 10:01.44 | gps23 | and a module named thermal is also loaded |
| 10:02.07 | amphi | I have no idea what thermal_sys is |
| 10:02.24 | amphi | modinfo should tell you |
| 10:02.25 | gps23 | thermal is used by 0 processes, thermal_sys is used by three - thermal, processor, fan |
| 10:02.28 | superlinux | what about the fan? |
| 10:02.44 | gps23 | fan module is not used by any process |
| 10:02.55 | gps23 | but its loaded |
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| 10:03.45 | amphi | gps23: you mean, no other module depends on it, I presume |
| 10:04.15 | gps23 | amphi, yes, i am talking about third field of lsmod's output |
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| 10:04.37 | amortvigil | hello, im an ubuntu user, im going to try debian because 9.04 is not stable. is it like going back into time?? or is lenny just as far as ubuntu 8.10? |
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| 10:04.57 | superlinux | amortvigil go to #ubuntu |
| 10:05.08 | superlinux | sorry! |
| 10:05.12 | superlinux | i miss read |
| 10:05.46 | amortvigil | superlinux: well my first contact with the debian comunity ^^ :P hahah |
| 10:06.35 | superlinux | amortvigil listen! this is what you should do: install from latest stable minimal debian. update to "testing" distro section |
| 10:06.44 | superlinux | whichever the testing is |
| 10:07.03 | amortvigil | superlinux: ahh ok :) |
| 10:07.08 | gps23 | i last time i went to #ubuntu they fooled me with lmgtfy.com |
| 10:07.31 | mordy | gps23: ubuntu claims to make its distribution from the latest debian sid |
| 10:07.36 | superlinux | i miss read the question, I said |
| 10:07.41 | amortvigil | superlinux: am i able to get kde4.2 ? |
| 10:07.45 | mordy | err.. or whoever ased that question |
| 10:07.49 | amortvigil | or is it only in experimental? |
| 10:07.59 | amphi | amortvigil: what versions of which software are you particularly interested in? |
| 10:08.03 | superlinux | then install using 'tasksel' |
| 10:08.05 | gps23 | mordy, at this moment debian testing must be more newer than ubuntu 9.04 |
| 10:08.25 | mordy | meh i stopped using a gui a while ago for anything important |
| 10:08.32 | superlinux | then install using 'tasksel' what ever you like: desktop or what ever. |
| 10:08.38 | mordy | everyhting is so damn broken and inconsntent i just use the shell |
| 10:08.45 | themill | amortvigil: stick with "stable" until you are happy and confident with debian. Testing is going to be a rough ride for a while...# |
| 10:08.47 | superlinux | the reson is that the stable CD's are always bootable |
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| 10:09.06 | superlinux | BTW download a minimal network install |
| 10:09.10 | amphi | amortvigil: experimental, looks like |
| 10:09.12 | superlinux | that's all u need |
| 10:09.17 | superlinux | the rest is from the net |
| 10:09.23 | themill | superlinux: please don't recommend that new users install testing unless you are promising to be here 24/7 to unbreak their systems when it all goes bad. |
| 10:09.37 | superlinux | themill tru |
| 10:09.39 | superlinux | themill true |
| 10:09.50 | amortvigil | i use wine, kqumo, kde4.2, bluefish and anjuta and netbeans |
| 10:10.00 | superlinux | however, it was almost OK to me on small desktops |
| 10:10.02 | amortvigil | and sometimes warsow |
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| 10:10.48 | gps23 | i am unable to find any file containing temperature in /sys/class/hwmon. may be now i should just exec "sensors|grep "CPU Temp" in conky and display its output |
| 10:10.53 | superlinux | i don recommend it to hardware that is meant to serve, even if it's used as a desktop , like i use to do |
| 10:10.58 | amortvigil | superlinux: if i have to install from wireless, can it be done by minimal too? |
| 10:11.21 | superlinux | how wireless? |
| 10:11.21 | [kapal] | What is a good directory for misc backups in Debian (/var/backup ?), like a backups that are done via boxbackup or so? fhs says only that /var/backup is `reserved'? Since Debian is not really fhs-compilant, is there a policy to place such a files? |
| 10:11.34 | osfd | Hi. to get a software in the backport, I just have to ask ? |
| 10:11.36 | amphi | amortvigil: '/msg judd versions some_package' to see what versions of a package are available in the various branches; lenny is current stable |
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| 10:11.44 | is-lu-is | nass |
| 10:11.55 | superlinux | amortvigil i dont recommend it |
| 10:12.04 | superlinux | use ADSL |
| 10:12.04 | amortvigil | ;) |
| 10:12.16 | amortvigil | i have broadband |
| 10:12.18 | superlinux | over the LAN from the ADSL router |
| 10:12.22 | mordy | i've been using lenny for about a few months now. very nice |
| 10:12.42 | osfd | for say, I'd be glad to have a newer gimp in my beloved Lenny |
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| 10:13.04 | amphi | osfd: even at the cost of the evil interface change? ;) |
| 10:13.33 | osfd | amphi: even more...I like the new interface |
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| 10:13.56 | superlinux | checks the new interface |
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| 10:14.12 | GT-90 | hello |
| 10:14.15 | GT-90 | need some help |
| 10:14.31 | superlinux | GT-90 welcome! |
| 10:14.32 | GT-90 | anyone online? |
| 10:14.36 | turutosiya | hi |
| 10:14.38 | GT-90 | hello |
| 10:14.44 | superlinux | ? |
| 10:14.48 | GT-90 | i bought a new net connection |
| 10:14.51 | superlinux | ask bro! |
| 10:14.51 | GT-90 | it is dial up |
| 10:14.53 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:14.56 | superlinux | aha |
| 10:14.57 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:14.59 | GT-90 | it has an external modem |
| 10:15.06 | superlinux | USB? |
| 10:15.14 | GT-90 | i want to know which linux distro will support it, yes |
| 10:15.21 | amphi | osfd: the silly drop-target window? I liked it when it was just the toolbox, which now has a pointless empty space where the menu should be, tiresome on a low res. panel |
| 10:15.35 | amphi | !tell GT-90 -about enter |
| 10:16.00 | superlinux | it was easier for you if you got a serial one |
| 10:16.18 | turutosiya | which model ? |
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| 10:16.26 | turutosiya | i agree with superlinux |
| 10:16.33 | mordy | liable: any more docs on the topic like the one you linked me? |
| 10:16.36 | osfd | amphi: I undersand but I have a quite high res ssssoooo, I don't really care...anyway, what is the procedure to get the new gimp in the backports |
| 10:16.42 | mordy | perhaps somehting a bit more comprehensive? |
| 10:16.45 | superlinux | no need for a definition |
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| 10:17.20 | superlinux | GT-90 what is your model? |
| 10:17.34 | superlinux | GT-90 what is your modem model? |
| 10:17.48 | amphi | osfd: is there a backported package? I don't know, I'm on testing here |
| 10:17.50 | GT-90 | est |
| 10:17.54 | GT-90 | EST USB MODEM |
| 10:17.59 | superlinux | ok |
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| 10:18.22 | amphi | GT-90: the best is probably to google the usb id |
| 10:18.25 | osfd | amphi: not yet and I'd be glad to initiate the thing |
| 10:18.41 | GT-90 | it is huawei |
| 10:18.53 | GT-90 | Huawei USB Modem EST |
| 10:18.53 | mordy | grrr... i'm breaking my head over this |
| 10:19.01 | amphi | osfd: you could try building the src package from testing, perhaps |
| 10:19.12 | mordy | i just want a normal kernel source tree which will look like the one that was used to make my own kernel |
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| 10:19.33 | mordy | so i can copy my own custom modules to the tree and then just make .../module.c |
| 10:19.37 | amphi | GT-90: try searching for the usb id and 'linux' perhaps |
| 10:19.53 | osfd | I know...it comes out of the blue but: http://tiny.cc/mbaf0 |
| 10:19.58 | mordy | but i see that debian stores all configuration in the ./debian folder and the kernle tree itself remains generic |
| 10:20.07 | mordy | bangs head against the wall |
| 10:20.14 | amphi | mordy: can't you build the module out of the tree? |
| 10:20.29 | mordy | amphi: no because i need a xen tree |
| 10:20.30 | osfd | amphi: waaaaayyyy too complicated for my lazy ass |
| 10:20.46 | mordy | amphi: oh you mean build the module individually? i don't know how |
| 10:20.57 | amphi | osfd: not really; get the src package, and try dpkg-buildpackage |
| 10:21.03 | mordy | i've tried to build the module by linking against the headers i have but it fails loudly |
| 10:21.08 | amphi | heh |
| 10:21.21 | mordy | i just want sensors :( |
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| 10:21.33 | osfd | amphi: never done that. I'll search some info about that |
| 10:21.54 | amphi | osfd: IIRC, the debian reference has some info on building src packages |
| 10:22.33 | amphi | !tell osfd -about ssb |
| 10:22.46 | mordy | is that the broadcom thingy? |
| 10:23.06 | amphi | osfd: I suspect it may want a more recent version of gtk et al., but perhaps not |
| 10:23.18 | superlinux | we should have given GT-90 the lsusb command |
| 10:24.03 | mordy | so what's the best way i can get this module compiled? |
| 10:24.07 | osfd | amphi: yes, and backported package is a way to avoid all that issues..! |
| 10:24.59 | ananthgs | any one got conexant modem configured in debian Lenny? |
| 10:25.14 | ananthgs | I have a dell latitude d830 laptop |
| 10:25.29 | ananthgs | Dell has provided the deb files |
| 10:25.30 | amphi | it used to be the case that only the unfree linuxant driver supported those, if I recall correctly |
| 10:25.48 | ananthgs | but it does not get compiled |
| 10:25.54 | ananthgs | any help would be appreciated |
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| 10:27.17 | superlinux | waits for the next question. it's fun to answer. it's like a training |
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| 10:29.03 | martian67 | superlinux, you must be into masochism |
| 10:29.18 | Baum | hi. can i use somehow / in autofs keys e.g. "name/bla -fsoption..... server:/mnt" when i use this i get /nfs/name/name/bla |
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| 10:30.49 | mordy | so any idea as to what i'm supposed to do to get a normal source tree? |
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| 10:32.23 | blindy | Does anybody have the source for microdc2? |
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| 10:39.41 | SparFux | Superlinux: What is the difference between zaphfc and vzaphfc kernel modules? Is it sane to load them both at the same time for one hfc card? |
| 10:39.46 | stuckey | On the boot menu there's eight (yes, 8) options in Grub, but I've only installed 2 version of lenny. There's only one that actually works |
| 10:39.53 | stuckey | The other's start to load and then they say "check disk failed" |
| 10:40.03 | stuckey | I'm having some trouble booting another install of debian I have on my computer. |
| 10:40.19 | stuckey | Is anyone able to help me with this? |
| 10:42.17 | SparFux | stuckey: check for update-grub |
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| 10:42.41 | SparFux | stuckey: See in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 10:42.52 | SparFux | I mean look at. |
| 10:43.00 | stuckey | SparFux: should running update-grub fix i? |
| 10:43.02 | stuckey | *it |
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| 10:43.24 | SparFux | stuckey: update-grub looks at what kernels are installed and alters /boot/grub/menu.lst accordingly. |
| 10:44.02 | petemc | isnt grub2 default now? |
| 10:44.02 | SparFux | First you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to set options in the top of the file,and they will be used for the image definitionns at the bottom of the file. |
| 10:45.16 | stuckey | SparFux: thanks |
| 10:45.26 | SparFux | stuckey: grub 1 or 2? |
| 10:45.36 | stuckey | Do you know how to make a partition bigger? I have root partitions that are only 350mb... and they're full. |
| 10:45.39 | stuckey | SparFux: debian lenny |
| 10:46.27 | SparFux | I advice against it, but gparted is a possibility |
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| 10:47.12 | leOn | hiya fellas |
| 10:47.15 | SillySallySays | Hey guys, I'm trying to install debian (netinstall) but the only internet connection avaliable to the computer is a shared connection through a windows vista box |
| 10:47.24 | SillySallySays | Am I able to connect via this? |
| 10:47.29 | SparFux | stuckey: aptitude show parted |
| 10:47.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | SillySallySays, as long as the doze box forwards still. |
| 10:48.10 | SillySallySays | Well wtf |
| 10:48.11 | SillySallySays | lol |
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| 10:48.18 | SillySallySays | It wasn't working as soon as I join it's A-OK |
| 10:48.19 | SparFux | stuckey: harddisks are cheap, better copy over everything and create new partitions. |
| 10:48.24 | SillySallySays | How odd, thanks guys |
| 10:48.30 | SillySallySays | Have a good day/night/afternoon |
| 10:48.58 | stuckey | SparFux: You mean it's better to just buy several hard disks? |
| 10:49.11 | SparFux | stuckey: yes. That's my opinion. |
| 10:49.34 | SparFux | stuckey: There is 70 Euro for 750GB and it may save you a lot of trouble. |
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| 10:50.27 | SparFux | stuckey: I don't know about any recent development, but when I checked, partition resizing was really tricky. |
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| 10:52.49 | zxd | Hi |
| 10:52.55 | superlinux | zxdhi |
| 10:52.58 | superlinux | zxd hi |
| 10:53.11 | zxd | How do I get detected DPI from X |
| 10:53.36 | superlinux | sorry . i dono |
| 10:53.39 | superlinux | sorry . i donno |
| 10:53.55 | SparFux | petemc: I don't know wether grub2 is default, but version 2 is really great, it includes a module for filesystem encryption support and thus you can encrypt your /boot or even have /boot on an encrypted /root :-) |
| 10:54.15 | petemc | it seems to just work for me, so im happy |
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| 10:55.26 | SparFux | petemc: I would switch, but I have done so many experimental stuff here, I will leave grub alone. version 1 works for me, and whenever I will reinstall, I will switch to 2. And then I will even try coreboot and have it boot the /root from /dev/sda without any partitions at all, fully encrypted :-) |
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| 11:00.00 | AutumnCat | I heard about that debian is going to replace glibc with eglibc. Is that true? |
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| 11:04.47 | liangsuilong | Is Debian switching to eglibc? |
| 11:05.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes. |
| 11:05.19 | msshams | how can i know that windows is on which device? for example (hd0,1). i want use it in menu.lst |
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| 11:05.22 | acemi | http://www.h-online.com/open/Debian-changes-from-GLIBC-to-EGLIBC--/news/113228 |
| 11:05.46 | liangsuilong | Why do Debian do it? |
| 11:06.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | liangsuilong, look at the dev list, or planet debian |
| 11:06.05 | nkuttler | msshams: first partition is hd0,0 and so on |
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| 11:06.36 | liangsuilong | Kamping_Kaiser, Thank you |
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| 11:07.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | liangsuilong, np |
| 11:07.09 | AutumnCat | liangsuilong: is there any official announcement? |
| 11:07.15 | msshams | nkuttler: if i see this output from 'fdisk -l': /dev/sda2 what is that drive? |
| 11:07.31 | liangsuilong | I think it is.. |
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| 11:07.42 | maxagaz | how to reload fstab config after it's been modified ? |
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| 11:08.13 | nkuttler | msshams: should be hd0,1 |
| 11:08.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | AutumnCat, a semi- offical post to debian-dev today, and the maintainers post to planet |
| 11:09.17 | liangsuilong | But i hope Debian do not remove glibc from repo when eglibc get into official repo. |
| 11:09.47 | nkuttler | liangsuilong: i doubt they will maintain two libcs |
| 11:10.32 | liangsuilong | I think so...but the announcement says that eglibc will replace glibc.. |
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| 11:10.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | liangsuilong, eglibc replaces glibc |
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| 11:11.22 | AutumnCat | Kamping_Kaiser: then what about glibc? |
| 11:11.25 | msshams | nkuttler: if i see this: /dev/sda1 so what is that drive? (hd0,0)? |
| 11:11.31 | AutumnCat | Kamping_Kaiser: begin deleted? |
| 11:11.39 | AutumnCat | being .. |
| 11:11.44 | nkuttler | msshams: pastebin your /proc/partitions |
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| 11:11.54 | enouf | maxagaz: no need |
| 11:12.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | AutumnCat, the eglibc code is now in the glibc source package. so glibc is effectively superceded as of the new release |
| 11:12.32 | nkuttler | maxagaz: you may want to remount whatever you changed |
| 11:12.38 | jaggz- | with postgresql's pg_wrapper setup, user_clusters has a field called CLUSTER where you pick the host:port to which it will connect -- how do I specify the local unix (socket) instead of, say, 127.0.0.1:5432 |
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| 11:13.07 | bzed | liangsuilong: it doesn't maek sense to keep glibc in debian. |
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| 11:13.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | ok. theres a factoid |
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| 11:13.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | !eglibc |
| 11:13.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, eglibc is the new libc in Debian, see http://blog.aurel32.net/?p=47 and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/05/msg00175.html |
| 11:13.40 | bzed | Kamping_Kaiser: no, the eglibc code is not in the glibc package yet |
| 11:13.45 | liangsuilong | Then original glibc will be deleted..... |
| 11:13.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | bzed, its in new, it will be soon enough. |
| 11:14.06 | liangsuilong | so violent..... |
| 11:14.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | er, i think i set the factoid wrong(libc) :S |
| 11:14.19 | bzed | liangsuilong: not violent, just the right thing. |
| 11:14.41 | enouf | !bot abuse |
| 11:14.41 | dpkg | huddles in the corner, whimpering 'please, please stop' |
| 11:14.48 | nkuttler | liangsuilong: go read the eglibc site |
| 11:14.59 | maxagaz | enouf: no need, ok, but why ? |
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| 11:15.12 | enouf | maxagaz: why would there be? |
| 11:15.14 | blindy | Does anybody have the source for microdc2? |
| 11:15.26 | nkuttler | blindy: what is that anyway? |
| 11:15.43 | blindy | direct connect client |
| 11:15.54 | maxagaz | enouf, do you mean that there's a daemon reading /etc/fstab every minute or something like that ? |
| 11:16.23 | enouf | maxagaz: no, it seems you seem to think there is though |
| 11:16.28 | nkuttler | blindy: i'd expect a quick google to answer your question |
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| 11:17.12 | blindy | nkuttler, already tried, cant find a mirror |
| 11:17.15 | enouf | maxagaz: what is your issue? |
| 11:17.20 | AutumnCat | liangsuilong: I also feel that it is violent.... |
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| 11:17.30 | liangsuilong | yes... |
| 11:17.36 | enouf | maxagaz: why did you alter fstab? and what do you want to happen because of it? |
| 11:17.42 | AutumnCat | liangsuilong: poor glibc lol |
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| 11:18.43 | msshams | nkuttler: this is sda1 line: |
| 11:18.43 | msshams | 8140957686sda1 |
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| 11:18.52 | liangsuilong | AutumnCat, the best way i think is maintaining two libc and setting eglibc as default.. |
| 11:18.56 | nkuttler | msshams: that's not what i asked for |
| 11:19.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | AutumnCat, its glibc with 'a few patches' and a new name. its not like its a completely new implimentation |
| 11:19.11 | nkuttler | liangsuilong: go ahead and package it |
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| 11:19.16 | msshams | nkuttler: you need all of that file? |
| 11:19.24 | nkuttler | msshams: i don't know yet |
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| 11:20.22 | enouf | judd: versions pastebinit |
| 11:20.26 | judd | enouf: pastebinit -- sid: 0.10-1 lenny: 0.10-2 sid: 0.10-2 experimental: 0.11-1 sid: 0.11-2 squeeze: 0.11-2 |
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| 11:20.49 | azeem | sid lenny sid? |
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| 11:21.24 | nkuttler | msshams: and /boot/grub/device.map while you're a it |
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| 11:24.22 | enouf | aww crap - the nc method is broke ... again .. sigh |
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| 11:25.38 | cptblood | im getting The requested URL / was not found on this server. on my apache webserver, ports have been forwarded and set accordingly in ports.conf |
| 11:25.49 | blindy | "Did not find the ncursesw library", but i have libcurses5-dev installed?? |
| 11:26.00 | gcell | is here a english-only channel ? |
| 11:26.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | cptblood, what does your logs say? |
| 11:26.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | gcell, yes |
| 11:26.11 | cptblood | where's the log allocated? |
| 11:26.16 | gcell | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks |
| 11:26.24 | blindy | ah didnt notice the w |
| 11:26.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | cptblood, /var/log/apache{2}/ |
| 11:26.47 | enouf | blindy: libncurses |
| 11:26.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | cptblood, /var/log/apache2/ if its lenny |
| 11:27.43 | cptblood | [Thu May 07 13:20:32 2009] [error] [client 85.89.75.90] File does not exist: /htdocs |
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| 11:27.49 | nkuttler | blindy: ncursesw != ncurses |
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| 11:28.08 | enouf | and curses != ncurses |
| 11:28.19 | blindy | nkuttler yeah i missed the w |
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| 11:28.30 | enouf | and the n |
| 11:28.39 | sirliu | gcell: .... |
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| 11:29.24 | sirliu | hello .....debian world~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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| 11:29.50 | enouf | azeem: judd has a bit of a hiccuping issue .. sometimes :-p |
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| 11:37.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | \o/ for the bsdgames package |
| 11:37.36 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I enable automount usb keys in debian testing? |
| 11:37.44 | sirliu | ä¸Â国北京 |
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| 11:38.36 | gonzaloaf | !automount |
| 11:38.36 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount>, or <halevt> |
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| 11:38.55 | sirliu | !kill |
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| 11:39.32 | nkuttler | !zh |
| 11:39.32 | dpkg | cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
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| 11:40.40 | gcell | many chinese here ^ |
| 11:40.43 | gcell | …… |
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| 11:41.02 | gcell | i'm chinese too, ^_^ |
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| 11:47.15 | thechef | I have a i386 based vz guest running on a amd64 based host. (The guest was previously a real machine, i386 based). Now that the underlying hardware changed, can I convert the whole operating system software to amd64? |
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| 11:51.27 | blindy | im trying to compile nanodc and i keep getting "error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of âauto_ptrâ with no type", does anyone know what could be causing that? |
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| 11:57.04 | hargathor | hi guys ! |
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| 11:58.15 | PePPe- | Hi! Im installing Lenny to Dell PowerEdge 2850. It will crash immediatily. All i see that syslinux is loaded and after that immediate crash. Is there a way to debug? |
| 11:58.26 | PePPe- | cos it restart also so i dont see whats happening :/ |
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| 11:58.56 | PePPe- | i tested install image on another computer and it work perfectly |
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| 11:59.46 | abrotman | the installer crashes? or after the isntallation? |
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| 12:00.15 | PePPe- | abrotman: installer. I dont see even the first windows where to start the install :) |
| 12:00.37 | PePPe- | last line is "Loading syslinux" After that i guess it try to show me the GUI but it crashes |
| 12:00.55 | PePPe- | i got two identical 2850 and bought suffer same problem |
| 12:00.56 | hargathor | did you try without the GUI install ? |
| 12:01.07 | hargathor | curses |
| 12:01.18 | PePPe- | hargathor: how can i remove the GUI? i mean i always install from curses but that installer dont let me choose the way |
| 12:01.30 | abrotman | PePPe-: which installer did you use? |
| 12:01.37 | PePPe- | it crashes where you can choose "GUI, curses, expert, help" |
| 12:01.51 | PePPe- | abrotman: i use hd-media i386 so i boot from usb |
| 12:01.52 | abrotman | PePPe-: are you saying it doesn't even get to where you choose standard,gui,expert ? |
| 12:01.58 | PePPe- | abrotman: yep |
| 12:02.06 | hargathor | arf... |
| 12:02.20 | PePPe- | never seen anything like that and i have installed debian way over 200 times in past 6 years :D |
| 12:02.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | PePPe-, bad ram? |
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| 12:03.16 | PePPe- | Kamping_Kaiser: nope. i those came from ous DC and was running there succesfully 4 years. And i booted it before install to etch without no problem |
| 12:03.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | :/ |
| 12:03.42 | PePPe- | it has something todo with the syslinux / usb / HW but howto to debug |
| 12:03.56 | PePPe- | this really sucks :D |
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| 12:04.09 | PePPe- | i think i need to smoke cigarette and think little bit |
| 12:04.17 | hargathor | PePPe-: can't you try the installer with a CD ? or PXE install ? |
| 12:04.31 | adb | usb install fine on other pc ? |
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| 12:06.02 | abrotman | PePPe-: have you tried a CD instead of usb? |
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| 12:07.39 | PePPe- | adb: yep. tryed and it worked well |
| 12:08.07 | PePPe- | abrotman: i would try if i have one blank cd but no. AND i have installed etch from usb on those machines about year ago without problem |
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| 12:09.01 | adb | re install etch and/ or migrate to lenny |
| 12:09.24 | PePPe- | adb: i think that would be the ultimate solution. I will first try to change the usb emulation from floppy to hd |
| 12:09.35 | abrotman | PePPe-: but etch isn't lenny ... |
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| 12:10.52 | hrickards | Anyone here using IceWM? What's the speed like compared to OpenBox? |
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| 12:12.00 | adb | 2 sec for OpenBox ;) |
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| 12:12.25 | enouf | 'usb emulation' heh, there's a barrel of laughs eh? |
| 12:12.57 | AutumnCat | hrickards: I used to use icewm. but i use ob now |
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| 12:13.33 | hrickards | AutumnCai: Ok thanks. Which is faster? |
| 12:14.11 | AutumnCat | hrickards: they're both fast. |
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| 12:16.36 | hrickards | AutumnCat: Thanks |
| 12:17.02 | adb | xmonad is faster than ob/ icewm ? |
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| 12:17.57 | whafro | hey folks, I have a box that must set its network config via dhcp, and unfortunately, there are two possible dhcp servers, only one of which would provide the correct configuration to one of the interfaces (one on the local network, and the proper one further down the chain). Is there any way to tell dhclient3 to ignore a dhcp server over one interface, but allow it over the other? |
| 12:18.05 | AutumnCat | tiling wm .. |
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| 12:18.29 | whafro | actually, in truth, I can ignore the local dhcp server entirely on this machine... static config should suffice there |
| 12:18.55 | abrotman | whafro: you have two interfaces? |
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| 12:19.01 | whafro | yup |
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| 12:19.53 | whafro | one that accepts a global address via dhcp over the global link, and one that gets configured to a local address (either statically or via dhcp on the local provider) |
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| 12:20.19 | whafro | but both dhcp servers are visible to both interfaces... the global dhcp server will only respond to the correct interface, but the local one will accept all comers |
| 12:20.37 | whafro | and I'm not in control of anything except this one machine, so I can't change those other factors |
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| 12:21.21 | whafro | in fact, most of the time, the global dhcp server is faster than the local one, so it works correctly 95% of the time, but it's not exactly heartwarming to rely on the timing |
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| 12:24.05 | teratoma | whafro: there might be something in the dhclient.conf man page |
| 12:24.14 | cptblood | how can i fix this: |
| 12:24.15 | cptblood | ERROR: KoschtIT Image Gallery can't find the PHP GD2 Library available. Please make sure you have removed the semilcolon from this line ';extension=php_gd2.dll' in your php.ini and the library is correctly installed. |
| 12:24.33 | abrotman | cptblood: that's from a windows box |
| 12:24.43 | abrotman | or seems to think it is anyways |
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| 12:24.49 | cptblood | it's running on debian |
| 12:24.50 | hargathor | cptblood: lok at the /etc/php/php.ini files |
| 12:24.54 | beardy | whafro: Like you said then, static, or a really ugly thing, try bootp instead of dhcp for that interface, and specify "server x.x.x.x". |
| 12:24.55 | DrZeusMcGoose | Ok, say I've got a debian machine networked through a windoze machine, the debian machine is running apache, how do I make requests to that machine? I can't seem to work out the IP and the hostname doesn't seem to work... |
| 12:25.01 | abrotman | hargathor: that file doesn't exist |
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| 12:25.26 | cptblood | etc/php/php.ini doesnt exist, sure that's the path? |
| 12:25.31 | hargathor | /etc/php*/cli/php.ini |
| 12:25.35 | petemc | DrZeusMcGoose: you need to make the windows machine forward requests to the debian machine |
| 12:25.51 | abrotman | hargathor: and what if that's not the right one? what if he's using libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 12:25.53 | hargathor | pretty sure that's php5 |
| 12:26.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | but its the CLI |
| 12:26.07 | DrZeusMcGoose | petemc, ahhh I see, where should I look for information regarding how to do that? |
| 12:26.10 | zhxk | hello, does linux has any ghost tools? |
| 12:26.26 | ComradeHaz | partimag |
| 12:26.36 | abrotman | hargathor: what do you think the "cli" means in that? |
| 12:26.37 | petemc | DrZeusMcGoose: you could, but most people (myself included) would advise you to switch it around and have the windows machine behind the debian one |
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| 12:26.40 | beardy | !partimage |
| 12:26.55 | abrotman | cptblood: what is koschtIT Image Gallery? a web application? |
| 12:26.58 | enouf | zhxk: g4u is one, ghost4linux you pay for? |
| 12:27.02 | DrZeusMcGoose | petemc, sadly the debian machine doesn't have wireless, so if I did that I wouldn't have internet :( |
| 12:27.05 | ComradeHaz | zhxk: partimage |
| 12:27.07 | cptblood | yeah, made for showing pics |
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| 12:27.14 | petemc | DrZeusMcGoose: fair enough |
| 12:27.14 | abrotman | cptblood: on lenny? |
| 12:27.24 | cptblood | aye |
| 12:27.26 | zhxk | let me see, thanks all |
| 12:27.28 | hargathor | abrotman: ok, my mistake |
| 12:27.30 | italazzz | ciao a tutti |
| 12:27.30 | enouf | partimage != ghost .. but ok |
| 12:27.32 | cptblood | well, apache/pp |
| 12:27.33 | AutumnCat | zhxk: clonezilla |
| 12:27.34 | cptblood | php* |
| 12:27.38 | ComradeHaz | Hi all, are there currently any packaging issues with exim4 on 32bit unstable? |
| 12:27.43 | hargathor | abrotman: maybye /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini |
| 12:27.46 | abrotman | cptblood: i got the PHP part :) |
| 12:27.48 | enouf | italazzz: buon giorno |
| 12:27.49 | abrotman | hargathor: probably not |
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| 12:27.51 | DrZeusMcGoose | petemc, any keywords to google for, even? I seem to be at a dead end :( |
| 12:27.56 | valdyn | !tell ComradeHaz -about ask |
| 12:27.58 | petemc | ComradeHaz: i havent noticed any |
| 12:28.02 | hargathor | abrotman: ? |
| 12:28.14 | petemc | ComradeHaz: other than some intentional ones, but thats another story |
| 12:28.18 | abrotman | hargathor: if he's using libapache2-mod-php5 it would be /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 12:28.32 | petemc | DrZeusMcGoose: windows port forwarding or something i guess, its not something ive done |
| 12:28.37 | cptblood | seems i was missing php5-gd or something |
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| 12:28.52 | DrZeusMcGoose | Ok, thanks man |
| 12:28.53 | abrotman | was? or still am? |
| 12:29.01 | cptblood | was |
| 12:29.04 | cptblood | all good now :) |
| 12:29.05 | abrotman | all fixed up? |
| 12:29.13 | cptblood | yep :) |
| 12:29.18 | stevem | I get that webmin isn't in the repo's -- for whatever reason... but if it was would it be classed as non-free or contrib ? |
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| 12:29.40 | enouf | find /etc -name 'php.ini' ; done |
| 12:29.46 | abrotman | stevem: it used to be, i believe it was in main |
| 12:29.48 | petemc | done? |
| 12:29.52 | enouf | heh |
| 12:29.57 | petemc | :) |
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| 12:30.01 | abrotman | enouf: that doesn't tell him which one to edit to fix the issue |
| 12:30.07 | hargathor | abrotman: yeah you're right |
| 12:30.07 | stevem | abrotman, doesn't look like it's there no more |
| 12:30.09 | enouf | abrotman: true dat |
| 12:30.15 | abrotman | stevem: yay!!!! |
| 12:30.19 | beardy | stevem: If it's non-free it would be in non-free. Contrib is for things depending on things not in the repo at all. Like games needing proprietary data. |
| 12:30.22 | beardy | !webmin |
| 12:30.23 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 12:30.31 | cse | hello, when i plug in my projector to the vga, the screen turns black and i only have output on the projector. how can i have output in both the screen's laptop AND the projector? |
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| 12:30.51 | abrotman | cse: usually you hit the fn+F5 or something to make it use both outputs |
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| 12:31.17 | hargathor | cse: you can also use xrandr i think |
| 12:31.22 | cse | abrotman it doesnt work |
| 12:31.31 | cse | hargathor how? |
| 12:31.37 | enouf | -LVDS and -VGA |
| 12:31.46 | enouf | !dual monitors |
| 12:31.46 | dpkg | For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/10/setting_up_dual_monitors_system-wide_with_xrandr_on_debian_lenny/, http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2. Or ask me about <dual monitors etch> and <xrandr> |
| 12:31.46 | stevem | beardy, ok so it's not in because we hate it - not because theres it's closed source in any way |
| 12:31.49 | cse | enouf where do i specify these? |
| 12:31.57 | enouf | in an xrandr command |
| 12:32.09 | beardy | cse: Look at your keys? No little icon looking like two monitors, F-keys. |
| 12:32.09 | hargathor | cse: xrandr --help |
| 12:32.15 | hargathor | cse: or man xrandr |
| 12:32.20 | abrotman | stevem: and it's a poor way to administrate a system .. and used to be (still is?) full of security holes |
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| 12:32.23 | hargathor | cse: there are many option |
| 12:32.45 | hargathor | cse: it depends on what you want to do |
| 12:33.17 | stevem | abrotman, well I only use it for managing Samba shares... because I was told SWAT was full of holes too |
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| 12:33.29 | hargathor | xrandr --output LVDS --auto --output VGA --auto |
| 12:33.43 | hargathor | cse: it should work |
| 12:33.57 | cse | hargathor thanks, do i need to restart X? |
| 12:34.11 | hargathor | cse: no, that's the beauty of xrandr ;) |
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| 12:34.55 | cse | brb |
| 12:35.31 | abrotman | stevem: what's so hard about managing samba users? |
| 12:36.08 | stevem | abrotman, I just want a WebUI for it... not all users of the system was command line, file editing, friendly |
| 12:36.13 | stevem | *are |
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| 12:36.39 | abrotman | stevem: they should be fired! |
| 12:36.41 | abrotman | hides |
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| 12:36.49 | stevem | So helpful :S |
| 12:36.55 | hargathor | ^^ |
| 12:36.57 | stevem | So I'll stick to using webmin |
| 12:37.04 | zhxk | ComradeHaz:partimage seems not ghost compatable? |
| 12:37.14 | zhxk | ComradeHaz:partimage seems not ghost compatable? |
| 12:37.27 | RAThomas | even those new-fangled command lines are too wussy. Give them a toggle switch panel |
| 12:37.46 | enouf | stevem: take a look at syscp? http://www.syscp.org/ |
| 12:38.02 | stevem | enouf, I already use it, doesn't manage samba shares tho |
| 12:38.13 | petemc | http://www.samba.org/samba/GUI/ |
| 12:38.28 | stevem | Yes I'm that page already... a list of dead and dying projects |
| 12:38.34 | abrotman | stevem: there is another one in debian .. uhm, dtc ? |
| 12:38.47 | abrotman | stevem: no idea if it does samba though |
| 12:38.54 | stevem | abrotman, DTC is like SysCP... they're domain control panals... web, mail, mysql, ftp, etc... |
| 12:38.57 | enouf | abrotman: http://wiki.debian.org/CipUX/CAT ? |
| 12:39.13 | abrotman | stevem: but in reality, if you need a webpanel, and you're okay with webmin .. why are you switching anyways? |
| 12:39.24 | stevem | I do love SysCP however :P |
| 12:39.28 | enouf | i see samba there :-) |
| 12:39.37 | stevem | abrotman, I don't wanna use something with holes - right? |
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| 12:39.48 | abrotman | stevem: you don't trust your users? :) |
| 12:39.58 | stevem | enouf, you do!? my box has been using syscp for 2 years and I've never noticed it... and i've updated it several times |
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| 12:40.07 | abrotman | stevem: the bigger problem with webmin was people using it to administrate remote internet facing systems |
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| 12:40.13 | enouf | stevem: no .. in the URL to the wiki |
| 12:40.19 | abrotman | !cipux |
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| 12:40.23 | abrotman | doesn't exist! |
| 12:40.33 | enouf | shrugs |
| 12:40.46 | stevem | enouf, I'm not following... do you have a link or something for this? |
| 12:40.53 | abrotman | yeah .. i don't think dtc does samba |
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| 12:40.59 | abrotman | <enouf> abrotman: http://wiki.debian.org/CipUX/CAT ? |
| 12:41.03 | abrotman | stevem: ^^ |
| 12:41.14 | stevem | no he was on about syscp |
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| 12:41.40 | abrotman | he's on about a lot of things .. he's got four half functional brains going on upstairs :) |
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| 12:43.35 | stevem | abrotman, CAT just kinda looks like webmin... but less complete |
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| 12:43.49 | abrotman | stevem: i wasn't the one talking about it .. enouf was |
| 12:43.57 | stevem | ah :P |
| 12:44.08 | Cope | I have an external IP on a /29 provided by my ISP. The default gateway they specify is on a larger supernet - a /22 I think; |
| 12:44.14 | enouf | stevem: that CAT thing is what i said ; <enouf> i see samba there :-) |
| 12:44.20 | eagles0513875 | hey guys i have a question im a kubuntu user but i would like to get a maltese version of aspell included into debian if it doesnt have it already |
| 12:44.25 | Cope | To get my machine to be routable, I have to add routes manually |
| 12:44.41 | stevem | enouf, not about syscp? |
| 12:44.42 | Cope | because the netmask of the /29 is 255.255.255.248 |
| 12:44.49 | eagles0513875 | anynoe able to help me |
| 12:44.50 | enouf | oh ffs .. |
| 12:44.54 | Cope | so it can't reach the provided gateway |
| 12:45.05 | Cope | what's the correct way to do this? |
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| 12:45.16 | Cope | I tried adding an up section to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:45.28 | Cope | manually I do this: |
| 12:45.32 | nkuttler | eagles0513875: start by figuring out if that already exists.. |
| 12:45.45 | eagles0513875 | i know in kubuntu it doesnt and im not sure on debian |
| 12:45.48 | Cope | ip r a $isp_gw dev eth0 |
| 12:45.53 | nkuttler | !tell eagles0513875 about pdo |
| 12:46.01 | Cope | ip r a default via $isp_gw |
| 12:46.03 | Cope | this works |
| 12:46.05 | nkuttler | !tell eagles0513875 about wnpp |
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| 12:46.23 | eagles0513875 | ty nkuttler |
| 12:46.43 | nkuttler | eagles0513875: and if you add a wnpp bug make sure to include a source where to get such a package |
| 12:46.50 | eagles0513875 | ok |
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| 12:46.53 | mns | !pae |
| 12:46.53 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines. |
| 12:47.32 | eagles0513875 | why use pae when you can go to fully 64bit distro and get up to 128gb of memory support |
| 12:47.34 | nkuttler | eagles0513875: oh, and #ubuntu too, i guess they have their own request system |
| 12:47.48 | mns | so that would be the -bigmem linux-image packages I take it ? |
| 12:47.53 | eagles0513875 | nkuttler: yep launchpad.net |
| 12:48.00 | nkuttler | eagles0513875: so use that rather |
| 12:48.00 | enouf | Cope: perhaps see "10.6.1.1 Configuring an interface with a static IP address" file:///usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
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| 12:48.16 | cptblood | anyone who could help me setup roundcube? i get this : Warning: require_once(rcube_shared.inc) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /var/www/installer/index.php on line 16 |
| 12:48.17 | enouf | Cope: /msg dpkg interfaces ; /msg dpkg reference |
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| 12:48.53 | eagles0513875 | nkuttler: they said to wishlist it upstream then i was thinking of filing a bug downstream linking back to the wishlist bug upstream |
| 12:49.01 | hargathor | cptbloog: check in your repertoire installer of roundcube if the rcube_shared.inc file is present |
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| 12:49.08 | stevem | So "webmin isn't in because it's got hole" ... what about freepbx? that ever tried to get in the repo's? |
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| 12:49.24 | hargathor | cptblood: find /var/www/roundcube/installer/ -name rcube_shared.inc |
| 12:49.27 | AussieGuy | If I want 2 servers that are identical to the one I have whats the fastest way to clone them, over ssh? |
| 12:49.30 | stevem | I mean syscp isn't either... these are all control panels - don't seem to be many within debian |
| 12:49.33 | nkuttler | eagles0513875: if it doesn't exist upstream... don't bother requesting it... |
| 12:49.41 | eagles0513875 | it doesnt |
| 12:49.43 | AussieGuy | ive got lots of data transfer |
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| 12:49.44 | eagles0513875 | aspell-mt |
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| 12:50.02 | nkuttler | eagles0513875: #ubuntu |
| 12:50.10 | unixluser | AussieGuy: aussie internet sucks, right? |
| 12:50.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes, it does |
| 12:50.21 | AussieGuy | thats why the servers are in canada |
| 12:50.30 | eagles0513875 | nkuttler: kubuntu-devel see what they say there |
| 12:50.49 | AussieGuy | where its easy and cheap to get 1000gb transfer to play with |
| 12:51.15 | enouf | mns: yes, the -bigmem ones are for 32bit with PAE and NX support iirc |
| 12:51.29 | cptblood | hmm, no output hargathor |
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| 12:51.55 | hargathor | where did you get your roundcube installer ? |
| 12:51.58 | stevem | well SWAT is in the repo... so -must- be secure :P |
| 12:52.22 | cptblood | from roundcube.net |
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| 12:52.37 | AussieGuy | no computer is secure |
| 12:52.43 | hargathor | cptblood: this one ? http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=139281&filename=roundcubemail-0.2.1.tar.gz |
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| 12:52.56 | cptblood | yes |
| 12:53.15 | hargathor | try re-downloading it and untar it |
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| 12:53.35 | hargathor | cptboold: delete the content of /var/www/roundcube |
| 12:53.54 | hargathor | cptblood: redo a clean install |
| 12:53.54 | mns | enouf: thanks. Now to find something that can give me step by step on how to use KVM with networking for WinXP VM as well as a bunch of other OSes (*BSD) |
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| 12:54.06 | cptblood | /root/roundcube/roundcubemail-0.2.1/program/include/rcube_shared.inc found it here? |
| 12:54.15 | abrotman | cptblood: there is a roundcube channel |
| 12:54.20 | tsb_ | http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/PuppetDebian <-- in the pinning-section there, can I be sure *only* packages related to puppet and puppetmaster will be installed from testing, and the of the packages will come from my stable version, etch? |
| 12:54.22 | cptblood | oh |
| 12:54.51 | hargathor | cptblood: maybye you didn't cp all your directory in /var/www/roundcube |
| 12:55.07 | hargathor | cptblood: ;) |
| 12:55.24 | cptblood | hehe, that might be it |
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| 12:55.37 | cptblood | use -R switch? |
| 12:55.42 | hargathor | cptblood: ^^ |
| 12:56.01 | hargathor | cptblood: yes |
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| 12:56.24 | hargathor | cp -R /root/roundcube/roundcubemail-0.2.1/ /var/www/roundcube/ |
| 12:56.28 | cptblood | hehe, u know what, having all files in the correct place work wonders :) |
| 12:56.55 | hargathor | cptblood: :D |
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| 12:57.05 | cptblood | doh, im such a newb with mysql tho :/ |
| 12:57.49 | cptblood | hargathor: could u help me setup a mysqldb for roundcube by any chance? |
| 12:58.39 | hargathor | cptblood: mysql -u root -p passwd |
| 12:59.09 | abrotman | cptblood: the roundcube documentation tells you exactly how to do it |
| 12:59.30 | abrotman | and there really is a #roundcube |
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| 12:59.40 | cptblood | #roundcube is full of idlers |
| 12:59.56 | abrotman | so be patient |
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| 13:00.42 | hargathor | cptblood: create database roundcube; |
| 13:00.52 | cptblood | yea, done |
| 13:00.57 | cptblood | and did GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON roundcubemail.* TO username@localhost IDENTIFIED BY 'password'; |
| 13:01.06 | cptblood | changed username and pass to root's |
| 13:01.29 | hargathor | cptblood: Grant all privileges on roundcube.* to roundcubeUser@localhost; |
| 13:01.38 | hargathor | cptblood: Grant all privileges on roundcube.* to roundcubeUser@localhost identifiedt by 'password'; |
| 13:01.55 | hargathor | sorry forget this line cptblood: Grant all privileges on roundcube.* to roundcubeUser@localhost; |
| 13:02.06 | cptblood | does the user need to exist? like with adduser? |
| 13:02.19 | hargathor | cptblood: it will add an user |
| 13:02.26 | hargathor | cptblood: flush privileges; |
| 13:02.28 | cptblood | okay, |
| 13:02.41 | hargathor | cptblood: quit |
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| 13:02.57 | cptblood | done |
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| 13:03.19 | hargathor | cptblood: and go to your virtualhost on your localhost to setup roundcube with the installer |
| 13:03.30 | hargathor | http://localhost/roudncube/installer |
| 13:03.38 | cptblood | MySQL: NOT AVAILABLE(Not installed) |
| 13:03.52 | jetx | \o/ |
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| 13:04.12 | hargathor | cptblood: aptitude install libapache2-mod-auth-mysql |
| 13:04.47 | cptblood | still the same |
| 13:05.11 | hargathor | cptblood: .... |
| 13:05.40 | hargathor | cptblood: did you restart apache ? |
| 13:05.50 | cptblood | doh |
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| 13:06.29 | cptblood | i've done so now, but didnt help |
| 13:06.35 | cptblood | do i need to restart mysql too? |
| 13:06.50 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:07.19 | hargathor | cptblood: Make sure that in the php.ini the mysql extension is enabled. |
| 13:07.29 | hargathor | jetx: typing |
| 13:07.30 | cptblood | how do i check that? |
| 13:07.37 | hargathor | jetx: why ? |
| 13:07.43 | jetx | typo |
| 13:07.49 | jetx | roudncube |
| 13:07.54 | cptblood | no, i get to the install process |
| 13:08.01 | abrotman | cptblood: what's the actual error? |
| 13:08.07 | abrotman | and when do you get it? |
| 13:08.09 | cptblood | MySQL: NOT AVAILABLE(Not installed) |
| 13:08.11 | hargathor | cptblood: before you were asking about php.ini, look into it ;) |
| 13:08.20 | cptblood | from # Check environment |
| 13:08.20 | hargathor | jetx: sorry :s |
| 13:08.20 | abrotman | cptblood: is php5-mysql installed? |
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| 13:08.36 | abrotman | wonders what libapache2-mod-auth-mysql has to do with it ... |
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| 13:08.53 | cptblood | is now, but didnt work either abrotman |
| 13:09.07 | hargathor | abrotman: lol, cut and past to fast :P |
| 13:09.11 | jetx | wonders if mysql is installed |
| 13:09.22 | hargathor | jetx: ^^ |
| 13:09.29 | cptblood | jetx: duh :p i've created the db as told |
| 13:09.39 | jetx | hasn't scrolled up |
| 13:09.46 | jetx | goes back to sleep |
| 13:09.49 | cptblood | mysql> Grant all privileges on roundcube.* to roundcubeUser@localhost; |
| 13:09.50 | cptblood | Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec) |
| 13:09.54 | abrotman | cptblood: grep mysql /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 13:10.03 | cptblood | maybe it should say something else than 0 rows affected? |
| 13:10.10 | abrotman | maybe you should ask #roundcube ... |
| 13:10.20 | cptblood | they are still idling |
| 13:10.25 | abrotman | !piav |
| 13:10.25 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 13:10.36 | hargathor | cptblood: no thats roundcube installer who will create the row |
| 13:10.40 | cptblood | someone is answering me here tho, and i greatly appreciate it |
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| 13:10.53 | cptblood | got plenty'o'text from that grep |
| 13:11.02 | cptblood | or some at least |
| 13:11.29 | abrotman | is there a ; at the front of the extensinon=mysql.so line ? |
| 13:12.16 | cptblood | cant find any line like that, just edit and create one? |
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| 13:12.40 | abrotman | no .. |
| 13:12.52 | abrotman | look in /etc/php/conf.d/ to see if there's a mysql file |
| 13:13.16 | cptblood | mysql.ini |
| 13:13.16 | tsb_ | when I upgrade kernels on debian, I get "The kernel version running is the same as the one being installed" etc.. how do I preseed apt so that I don't get that ncurses menu? |
| 13:13.21 | cptblood | and pdo_mysql.ini |
| 13:13.32 | cptblood | and mysqli.ini |
| 13:14.07 | cptblood | and in mysql.ini, there's a line called extension=mysql.so without ; |
| 13:14.31 | abrotman | cptblood: did you change the roundcube config to have the credentials it would need to run? |
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| 13:15.08 | amitz | if iceweasel security support may be dropped anytime, is there any suggested browser? |
| 13:15.25 | cptblood | hmm, i dont think i did |
| 13:15.33 | abrotman | amitz: there are tons |
| 13:15.47 | cptblood | i made all files 777 inside /roundcube tho |
| 13:15.50 | abrotman | cptblood: this is *exactly* why you should read the installation documentation instead of asking rambling questions on IRC |
| 13:16.00 | cptblood | it is VERY vague on that point |
| 13:16.07 | abrotman | cptblood: that's a VERY VERY VERY bad idea |
| 13:16.19 | abrotman | go read the installation documentation |
| 13:16.25 | cptblood | i am |
| 13:16.41 | cptblood | RoundCube needs to save some temp files and it also writes logs. Therefore make sure that the following directories (and the files within) are writable for the webserver: * temp * logs |
| 13:17.09 | nkuttler | cptblood: i guess i missed your question. what was it? |
| 13:17.23 | cptblood | how to setup roundcube? |
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| 13:17.38 | nkuttler | cptblood: that's a lousy question. ask something more precise.. |
| 13:17.49 | abrotman | or read the freaking installation docs |
| 13:17.52 | hargathor | cptblood: your problem is mysql related, check around that idea |
| 13:17.57 | abrotman | it's one of the easiest web apps ever to setup |
| 13:18.03 | nkuttler | yup |
| 13:18.03 | cptblood | exactly, not roundcube directly |
| 13:18.15 | enouf | tsb_: so you're reinstalling linux-image-`uname -r` ? |
| 13:18.16 | abrotman | cptblood: you don't konw that .. you didn't read anything about how to install it |
| 13:18.23 | cptblood | i did too |
| 13:18.27 | cptblood | geez |
| 13:18.35 | abrotman | did you setup the mysql user in the roundcube config yet? |
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| 13:18.43 | cptblood | it doesnt mention ANYTHING ELSE about mysql than whati've already done |
| 13:18.45 | cptblood | YES |
| 13:18.59 | cptblood | huh, no i mean.. havent gotten to that stage yet |
| 13:19.07 | abrotman | right .. thanks |
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| 13:19.21 | tsb_ | enouf, all I'm doing is aptitude dist-upgrade, I am running linux-image-2.6.18-6-686, and well, apt seems to want to reinstall it |
| 13:19.28 | Dillzar | how can i install the newest flash player 10 on my iceweasel |
| 13:19.39 | cptblood | and if you're newbish, even the easiest app can be hard to setup |
| 13:19.47 | abrotman | Dillzar: in which version of linux? |
| 13:19.58 | cptblood | what you think is easy might not apply to me |
| 13:19.59 | Dillzar | 5 |
| 13:20.06 | abrotman | !tell Dillzar about flash |
| 13:20.09 | abrotman | !tell Dillzar about adobe flash |
| 13:20.13 | abrotman | cptblood: reading? |
| 13:20.14 | cptblood | oh, i wanna get linux 5 too, new distro? :p |
| 13:20.15 | nkuttler | cptblood: then ask better questions. like with add error messages |
| 13:20.19 | enouf | tsb_: that sounds like Etch - and what does dpkg -l linux-image-2.6-686 | tail -1 say? |
| 13:20.28 | cptblood | abrotman: yes, even so |
| 13:20.31 | Dillzar | abrotman, can i install the package from ubuntu ?? |
| 13:20.37 | enouf | no |
| 13:20.41 | nkuttler | Dillzar: ask #ubuntu |
| 13:20.41 | abrotman | Dillzar: go ask #ubuntu .. how the hell would we know? |
| 13:20.46 | cptblood | nkuttler: i dunno what else MySQL: NOT AVAILABLE(Not installed) i can tell you |
| 13:21.07 | nkuttler | cptblood: you could start by telling which command gives you that message |
| 13:21.08 | enouf | i mean, you can (some) - but don't! |
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| 13:21.21 | tsb_ | enouf, yes I am running etch. The output is "ii linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.18+6etch3 Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4" |
| 13:21.23 | cptblood | running the roundcube installer. step 1 |
| 13:21.32 | giupy | hi, why fan of my ati is still in use? i have recompiled my kernel and i use radeon driver |
| 13:21.40 | nkuttler | cptblood: i'd guess php5-mysql is missing |
| 13:21.49 | cptblood | i've installed that |
| 13:21.53 | tsb_ | enouf, I am running etch, but I also have testing enabled and a copy of this preferences file: http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/PuppetDebian |
| 13:22.01 | nkuttler | cptblood: then restart apache, that should be all |
| 13:22.02 | enouf | tsb_: and do you have any other than Etch or oldstable in your sources.list? |
| 13:22.05 | abrotman | i would guess he hasn't configured roundcube .. at all |
| 13:22.07 | enouf | ugh |
| 13:22.09 | cptblood | doh |
| 13:22.20 | cptblood | yea, that was the issue, thank you nkuttler |
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| 13:22.28 | enouf | tsb_: testing is now 2 releases ahead ! |
| 13:22.32 | nkuttler | cptblood: remember that.... |
| 13:22.34 | abrotman | wait .. they told you to do that 10 minutes ago |
| 13:22.39 | nkuttler | hehe |
| 13:22.48 | nkuttler | well, reading _is_ hard |
| 13:22.51 | cptblood | abrotman: wait, it was another thing then |
| 13:23.05 | cptblood | nkuttler: but that is not about reading, it's about knowing apache/mysql |
| 13:23.09 | cptblood | which i said i dont |
| 13:23.12 | nkuttler | cptblood: whatever. move on. |
| 13:23.13 | abrotman | no, it's really about reading |
| 13:23.16 | tsb_ | enouf, I am aware of that, but as far as I know only 2 packages should come from it |
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| 13:23.23 | cptblood | abrotman: no, actually it isnt |
| 13:23.28 | tsb_ | enouf, hold on I'll pastbin my sources.list |
| 13:23.28 | cptblood | but thanks for all the rant tho |
| 13:23.32 | abrotman | cptblood: how do you think you get to learn apache/mysql? |
| 13:23.45 | cptblood | and thanx to nkuttler and hargathor for ACTUALLY helping |
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| 13:23.56 | cptblood | try and error |
| 13:23.56 | abrotman | you never said what the actual problem was |
| 13:23.57 | enouf | tsb_: you originally said your issue was when you were "<tsb_> when I upgrade kernels on debian, I get " .. you're not upgrading kernels |
| 13:24.01 | nkuttler | cptblood: whatever. move on. |
| 13:24.08 | hargathor | cptblood: your welcome |
| 13:24.23 | cptblood | nkuttler: i will, just abrotman keep posting stuff i feel i gotta anser |
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| 13:24.24 | cptblood | answer |
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| 13:24.33 | abrotman | and still haven't ... |
| 13:24.43 | nkuttler | grabs some popcorn |
| 13:25.03 | cptblood | and i wont |
| 13:25.10 | cptblood | abrotman: whatever. move on. |
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| 13:25.15 | tsb_ | enouf, http://rafb.net/p/3OthDn35.html |
| 13:25.27 | abrotman | yeah .. won't tell us what the issue was .. won't read .. won't actually do anything but be spoonfed .. |
| 13:25.36 | tsb_ | enouf, I am doing a aptitude dist-upgrade, and it wants to "upgrade" my kernel |
| 13:25.41 | cptblood | abrotman: whatever. move on. |
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| 13:25.53 | abrotman | the installation manual for roundcube is very easy, and is pretty dead simple to setup for basic webmail .. |
| 13:26.24 | abrotman | nevermind that the package in debian could have easily been backported and used instead of all that hassle |
| 13:27.02 | enouf | tsb_: ofcourse it does .. |
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| 13:28.18 | abrotman | actually .. not even backported .. gotten with wget and directly installed |
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| 13:29.08 | liable | if you have a meta package installed.. (or its a minor minor version upgrade) |
| 13:29.16 | jetx | abrotman: you're becoming mwilson-y in your old age |
| 13:29.20 | CoolCold | found lenny has rsyslog intead sysklogd |
| 13:29.25 | abrotman | jetx: you're still older than me :) |
| 13:29.29 | cptblood | hargathor: how do i set a pass for the created roundecubeUser? |
| 13:29.34 | CoolCold | any ideas why that happened? |
| 13:29.34 | cptblood | in mysql |
| 13:29.34 | jetx | by 30 years probably |
| 13:29.38 | enouf | tsb_: try 'aptitude upgrade' instead perhaps .. but with testing * even with priority so low, a dist-upgrade will want to also replace/remove files/pkgs |
| 13:29.44 | jetx | ok 25 |
| 13:29.49 | abrotman | probably not that much |
| 13:30.10 | hargathor | cptblood: the pass yo set earlier in mysql |
| 13:30.15 | tsb_ | enouf, i don't think that is "ofcourse", since it is the same package, well at least as far as I can tell! |
| 13:30.52 | jetx | it's not the same |
| 13:30.53 | hargathor | cptblood: when you did GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES...... |
| 13:31.01 | tsb_ | enouf, how should I do it? I tried changing testing with lenny, but upgrade then wanted to upgrade a horde of packages. I really only want those 2 packages from lenny and their deps and that's it |
| 13:31.19 | jetx | the minor versions are ... (hidden?) |
| 13:31.29 | jetx | like -2 vs -4 |
| 13:31.35 | cptblood | (15:00:55) (hargathor) sorry forget this line cptblood: Grant all privileges on roundcube.* to roundcubeUser@localhost; |
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| 13:31.41 | cptblood | doesnt seem to include a password tho+ |
| 13:31.42 | cptblood | ? |
| 13:31.46 | catap | CoolCold: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/01/thrd3.html#01002 http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2008/07/msg00117.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/01/msg01002.html |
| 13:31.46 | enouf | tsb_: you could a) comment out the 1st preference of * and use 'aptitude install pkg=version' when installing either of those other 2 |
| 13:32.21 | hargathor | cptblood: read the line just after ;) |
| 13:32.23 | CoolCold | catap: thanks |
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| 13:32.37 | hargathor | cptblood: i add the identified by 'password'; |
| 13:32.37 | enouf | tsb_: you should consider upgrading to lenny .. IMHO, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 13:33.39 | AussieGuy | split |
| 13:33.39 | hargathor | cptblood: Grant all privileges on roundcube.* to roundcubeUser@localhost identified by 'password'; |
| 13:33.39 | cptblood | yep, saw |
| 13:33.39 | enouf | tsb_: testing == squeeze now .. which has many sid pkgs in it at this time/point |
| 13:33.39 | tsb_ | enouf, well, yes.. but I have 30 servers.. :) I did upgrade one, recorded it and tried playing it back but it didn't work.. |
| 13:33.42 | catap | CoolCold: summary of links: because a rsyslog is a multi-threaded and focus on security and reliability |
| 13:33.55 | jetx | wow, irssi hides netsplits |
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| 13:34.07 | catap | CoolCold: by mind of rsyslog author |
| 13:34.09 | abrotman | jetx: did you /ignore joins,parts ? |
| 13:34.14 | jetx | no |
| 13:34.47 | cptblood | hargathor: are the users created in mysql equivalent to the login/pass ? |
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| 13:35.04 | jetx | automagical even \o/ |
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| 13:35.07 | cptblood | or did i miss some config? |
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| 13:35.17 | hargathor | the user created in mysql is used to do the select from the tables |
| 13:35.24 | enouf | tsb_: do you have a /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
| 13:35.33 | FireEgl | jetx: |
| 13:35.40 | jetx | heh.. sorry dude |
| 13:35.52 | enouf | tsb_: if so, what's in it |
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| 13:36.01 | hargathor | cptblood: my webmail users are stored in ldap |
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| 13:36.09 | cptblood | okay, how do i create one? |
| 13:36.55 | hargathor | i don't know how you want to setup your mail server but roundcube is just an front to the mail server (it's the way i saw it) |
| 13:37.08 | cptblood | ah, right |
| 13:37.09 | cptblood | my bad |
| 13:37.16 | petemc | roundcube is an imap clienty |
| 13:37.19 | petemc | s/ty/t/ |
| 13:37.30 | cptblood | thought it was an all-in-one solution |
| 13:37.37 | petemc | negative |
| 13:37.37 | hargathor | cptblood: Grant all privileges on roundcube.* to roundcubeUser@localhost identified by 'password'; |
| 13:37.43 | jetx | never heard of it |
| 13:37.45 | hargathor | cptblood: flush privileges; |
| 13:37.49 | tsb_ | enouf, I have a file or two in apt.conf.d, but no apt.conf. inside the conf.d dir I have a trustcdrom file, and debconf with 2 lines, DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs {"/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true";}; and APT::Cache-Limit "16777216"; the last line to handle testing+etch |
| 13:37.49 | hargathor | cptblood quit; |
| 13:37.56 | cptblood | yea, i've done that hargathor :) |
| 13:38.16 | enouf | that's all ok tsb_ -- but add APT::Default-Release "oldstable"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 13:38.18 | jetx | apt.conf resides in /etc/apt, not /etc/apt/apt.conf.d .... |
| 13:38.20 | hargathor | cptblood: so that's ok you can move on with your setup ;) |
| 13:38.21 | jetx | least here |
| 13:38.33 | patrikf | jetx: apt.conf.d/* is equivalent to apt.conf |
| 13:38.37 | enouf | jetx: not in older releases |
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| 13:38.45 | hargathor | cptblood: sorry i'm back in 5 |
| 13:38.51 | enouf | yes, as patrikf just mentioned |
| 13:38.54 | cptblood | ok, thx a lot for your effort so far |
| 13:38.55 | amortvigi | hello im new on debian :) |
| 13:39.10 | enouf | it's so each app can have it's own conffile without stomping on other apps |
| 13:39.14 | tsb_ | enouf, is "oldstable" static or does it keep changing with releases? It sounds like oldstable is just etch right now, but after lenny lenny will be oldstable |
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| 13:39.19 | jetx | then you must read the kernel source manually |
| 13:39.23 | jetx | all newbies must |
| 13:39.26 | enouf | tsb_: right |
| 13:39.37 | jetx | and every doc and manpage in existence |
| 13:39.38 | liable | jetx: wtf? |
| 13:39.46 | jetx | :) |
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| 13:39.52 | amortvigi | im from ubuntu, is there a a package like restricted-extras with stuff like mp3 and video support? |
| 13:40.00 | jetx | !dmm |
| 13:40.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 13:40.03 | enouf | tsb_: how long do you plan to use completely unsupported software? once Etch gets no more support (likely in less than 1 year) |
| 13:40.14 | liable | amortvigi: yep, the multimedia repo, see above |
| 13:40.33 | tsb_ | enouf, okay, so what I really want is APT::Default-Release "etch"? |
| 13:40.42 | tsb_ | enouf, oh, I won't be using it once it is unsupported! |
| 13:40.54 | Empaligon | 15:39:19 < jetx> then you must read the kernel source manually << heheh |
| 13:40.54 | liable | so why use it now? |
| 13:40.58 | tsb_ | enouf, I just don't see much incentive to upgrade right now |
| 13:41.03 | amortvigi | liable: thanx |
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| 13:41.13 | enouf | tsb_: that should work as well ... i haven;t tried the release names |
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| 13:42.52 | liable | sometimes this channel is hilarious. we try and beg the people that shouldnt use unstable from doing so, and the people that should upgrade to do so.. |
| 13:42.52 | enouf | tsb_: you still haven't issued an upgrade rather than a dist-upgrade |
| 13:42.52 | jetx | amortvigi: dpkg is ubotu's smarter older brother/sister |
| 13:42.54 | tsb_ | enouf, the reason I don't bother upgrading unless I have to is because the servers are some 800km's away. it doesn't always work. I think I upgraded one of these servers with the testing preferences and it resulted in glibc being removed but not installed again! I couldn't do anything then.. |
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| 13:43.10 | abrotman | i thought ubotu had been replaced? |
| 13:43.23 | jetx | no idea |
| 13:43.25 | tsb_ | enouf, right. I did it because "facter" will be upgraded with a dist-upgrade |
| 13:43.28 | liable | tsb_: thats why the release notes are there for upgrades. |
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| 13:44.36 | tsb_ | liable, yes, I did follow them, and have many times, the problem is my setup on a few servers aren't pure etch anymore |
| 13:44.42 | enouf | tsb_: you can take care of individual pkgs manually! .. also there will come a point when those newer pkgs will break! That's likely what happened when you tried to half-heartedly upgrade - the newer Facter or Puppet pkgs required a newer libc6! |
| 13:45.01 | enouf | tsb_: you shuold've learned about backports long ago ;-) |
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| 13:45.06 | tsb_ | enouf, probably :) |
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| 13:45.26 | tsb_ | enouf, "Preparing to replace linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-24 (using .../linux-image-2.6.18-6-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-24etch2_i386.deb)" seems the same to me! |
| 13:45.40 | abrotman | tsb_: etch2 string |
| 13:45.43 | tsb_ | enouf, I think the problem was those 2 packages required a few deps |
| 13:45.46 | enouf | tsb_: as i said, as of now, you're basically trying to install 2 pkgs (+ their depends) from sid! onto an Etch system :-) |
| 13:45.50 | jetx | -24 |
| 13:46.02 | tsb_ | enouf, yep, I know |
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| 13:46.26 | jetx | ah nm |
| 13:46.26 | tsb_ | man, I should probably just install lenny and be done with it. lenny has recent enough puppet packages |
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| 13:46.43 | enouf | tsb_: i'd be happy it doesn't actually remove your running kernel :-P |
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| 13:46.57 | jetx | does that mean you have udev? :/ |
| 13:47.00 | demon__ | what do i need to type before /etc/apt/sources.list so i can edit |
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| 13:47.14 | jetx | nano -w demon__ |
| 13:47.17 | jetx | and others |
| 13:47.39 | enouf | demon__: you'll need root privs to edit |
| 13:47.40 | jetx | as root eh |
| 13:47.49 | demon__ | i know that |
| 13:47.49 | enouf | so use sudo ; or use su |
| 13:47.59 | demon__ | but gedit its not for debian :P |
| 13:48.01 | enouf | and become root, then edit it |
| 13:48.02 | jetx | mcedit if you have mc |
| 13:48.06 | jetx | gedit is in debian |
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| 13:48.27 | tsb_ | enouf, :) the problem is I have a parallel upgrade-command I run on every node, but that of course fails once it expects input. so I wanted to remove that error. but, perhaps I should just upgrade everything to lenny here now instead |
| 13:48.32 | enouf | use a xterm editor, even if it's nano -- try vim |
| 13:48.35 | jetx | you can use it if you want |
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| 13:48.52 | jetx | but any editor will do afaik |
| 13:49.03 | enouf | or ,,if needed run the app with gksu/gksudo |
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| 13:49.35 | abrotman | abchirk: heh .. i was thinking the other day i hadn't seen you around in awhile |
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| 13:49.50 | demon__ | i need to install getit first :) |
| 13:50.03 | jetx | just use nano |
| 13:50.04 | enouf | tsb_: naturally - get everything in order prior (again /msg dpkg etch->lenny) ; prepare ; do one machine ; see how that goes |
| 13:50.08 | slobad23 | do i need to download anything other than cd-iso-1 to get a basic working debian system? |
| 13:50.10 | jetx | if you're in a hurry |
| 13:50.15 | jetx | no slobad23 |
| 13:50.19 | abrotman | slobad23: nope .. not even nmore than the netinst |
| 13:50.21 | jetx | netinst is better though |
| 13:50.33 | slobad23 | netinst it is then :) |
| 13:50.34 | jetx | if it's an option for you |
| 13:50.51 | slobad23 | will netinst give me a working system (all be it very basic) on a comp with no internet cnnection? |
| 13:50.58 | enouf | slobad23: do you have wired net on the target machine? |
| 13:51.00 | jetx | no |
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| 13:51.03 | jetx | well |
| 13:51.04 | jetx | kinda |
| 13:51.10 | jetx | but you don't want it i don't think |
| 13:51.57 | enouf | slobad23: a very basic working one, yes .. no X, or Desktop or anything ... |
| 13:52.18 | jetx | *extremely* |
| 13:52.28 | enouf | slobad23: if you only have wireless; /msg dpkg installer firmware |
| 13:52.30 | slobad23 | that's all i needed :) |
| 13:52.37 | slobad23 | thank you ladies and gents |
| 13:52.43 | ComradeHaz | Hi all, could you have a brief look at http://haz.red-army.org.uk/exim and see if you have any ideas as to what might be wrong. I'm specifically wondering about "sed: -e expression #1, char 2: delimiter character is not a single-byte character" but google's not helping me much |
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| 13:53.29 | RAThomas | goodbye, glibc. Good riddance, Drepper |
| 13:54.12 | enouf | tsb_: i wanted to mention; apt-get autoclean .. however, beware! that might wipe out needed pkgs (.debs) from your cache! .. so maybe Backup and try it |
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| 13:54.49 | enouf | tsb_: also - maybe look at any equivalent aptitude command , since in Etch aptitude + apt-get == possible mess |
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| 13:57.37 | abchirk | abrotman hi, no no ... I just save my computers life when beein at school. =) |
| 13:57.48 | abrotman | got it |
| 13:58.31 | abchirk | :P |
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| 13:58.41 | ComradeHaz | Hi all, could you have a brief look at http://haz.red-army.org.uk/exim and see if you have any ideas as to what might be wrong. I'm specifically wondering about "sed: -e expression #1, char 2: delimiter character is not a single-byte character" but google's not helping me much |
| 13:58.46 | ComradeHaz | pokey poke you lot! |
| 13:58.47 | ComradeHaz | :P |
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| 14:01.00 | tsb_ | enouf, but before starting, should I remove testing and preferences and to an aptitude upgrade/dist-upgrade or should I keep it in, do the upgrades, and then remove it as I s/etch/lenny sources.list? |
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| 14:03.17 | leOn | damn .. is there any fix for the libresolv problem in on the testing installer? |
| 14:03.56 | ComradeHaz | hmm, leOn? Be more specific, link to output or something |
| 14:04.35 | leOn | http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2009/02/msg00217.html |
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| 14:05.06 | Tom_____ | hi |
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| 14:05.14 | Tom_____ | anyone install openvpn on debian b4? |
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| 14:05.25 | leOn | i could always download the lenny installer, but i'd loose a few hours to download and restart the install |
| 14:05.28 | leOn | *sigh* |
| 14:05.52 | jetx | try in #debian-boot on oftc |
| 14:05.58 | jetx | le0n |
| 14:06.03 | ComradeHaz | Tom_____: try vpnc |
| 14:06.17 | ComradeHaz | Tom_____: unless you specifically want openvpn :) |
| 14:06.23 | leOn | jetx: oftc ? |
| 14:06.30 | jetx | !oftc |
| 14:06.30 | dpkg | it has been said that oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing>. |
| 14:06.30 | enouf | tsb_: i would pluck out any/all references (remove the pkgs and all it's dependencies) to those 2 specific pkgs that you're now running the newer versions of (from squeeze/testing?) Then remove (if you comment out, use // not #) the info/lines/contents of /etc/apt/preferences, undo what we just did to apt.conf and proceed ;-) |
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| 14:06.39 | Tom_____ | ComradeHaz: i was advised to use openvpn thats all |
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| 14:07.14 | ComradeHaz | well, I've not tried openvpn, but use vpnc under unstable daily |
| 14:07.28 | enouf | tsb_: concerning those 2 pkgs, only if (installing them) didn't upgrade something critical like libc6 as well |
| 14:07.38 | Tom_____ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.39 | Tom_____ | /etc/openvpn# /etc/init.d/openvpn start |
| 14:07.41 | Tom_____ | Starting virtual private network daemon: openvpn failed! |
| 14:07.44 | enouf | tsb_: /msg judd versions libc6 |
| 14:07.47 | Tom_____ | i get that after doing the config |
| 14:08.11 | Tom_____ | which i followed the guide on http://www.annoying.dk/2007/10/14/quick-simple-tutorialhowto-on-openvpn-with-debian/ |
| 14:08.27 | jetx | kinda old |
| 14:08.47 | ComradeHaz | hmm, not sure Tom_____ and not really in a possition to try it |
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| 14:09.00 | ComradeHaz | got my own probs atm, but nobody's answ3ering me :((( |
| 14:09.06 | Tom_____ | ok thats fine, no worries. cheers anyway |
| 14:09.44 | ComradeHaz | maybe give vpnc a try in the mean time :) |
| 14:09.59 | ComradeHaz | Hi all, could you have a brief look at http://haz.red-army.org.uk/exim and see if you have any ideas as to what might be wrong. I'm specifically wondering about "sed: -e expression #1, char 2: delimiter character is not a single-byte character" but google's not helping me much |
| 14:10.02 | tsb_ | enouf, it didn't (aptitude remove facter puppet only lists ruby stuff). okay, so 1. upgrade everything. 2 remove those 2. 3: remove preferences, update sources.list with lenny and remove testing. continue as described in releasenotes |
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| 14:10.17 | jetx | jetscreamer is so cool |
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| 14:11.51 | jetx | ok well all that's left to do is fglrx |
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| 14:17.42 | adasd34 | any php'ers in here |
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| 14:17.54 | leOn | ack .. quit the wrong channel .. =P |
| 14:18.03 | enouf | tsb_: clear out what we added to apt.conf (if you did add etch there) .. then yep |
| 14:18.09 | yang | Is there a way to use "finger" command on all users on the system, to see the last logins of each user separatelly ? |
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| 14:18.30 | tsb_ | enouf, yep, I didn't touch it |
| 14:18.49 | petemc | yang: lastlog |
| 14:18.59 | enouf | tsb_: not sure .. but also you should've maybe aptitude purge pkg1 pkg2 just to also remove config files |
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| 14:19.16 | yang | petemc: you mean using "last" ? |
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| 14:19.24 | enouf | tsb_: see if dpkg -P will clean them up if you have already just 'remove' |
| 14:19.25 | tsb_ | enouf, too late now, halfway through safe-upgrade already :) |
| 14:19.28 | eOliva | Hi, I'm using linux 2.6 and trying to do a test here, based on Steven's book, about the persist timer. I created a server and then ask it to sleep (to fill the window size and then starting the persist timer in the client), but what I did not understand here is: When I send 1024 bytes of data to this server, the win size advertised by the server is 46, but at the SYN, it was 5792. As I sent only 1024 bytes, it should not be 5792 - 1024 ?? |
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| 14:19.51 | enouf | tsb_: it might be so bad, since you were already atleast using Lenny versions |
| 14:19.53 | petemc | yang: what did i say? |
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| 14:20.13 | yang | ok |
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| 14:21.06 | yang | petemc: I get wrong values with "lastlog -b" only **Never logged in** for all |
| 14:21.18 | davidef1986 | hi, how can I change the maximum number of opened file ? (currently is set to 1024 according to ulimit -n, 205536 according /proc/sys/fs/file-max ). a java application seem to hang opening more than 1024 files |
| 14:22.13 | OpenTokix | davidef1986: you have to run ulimit as root, and start the app |
| 14:22.35 | tsb_ | enouf, "so bad"? not so bad or really bad? :) |
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| 14:22.49 | davidef1986 | OpenTokix: it's not possible to change the default value ? |
| 14:22.53 | petemc | yang: how do you know the records are wrong? how many days did you specify ? |
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| 14:23.13 | enouf | tsb_: s/sobad/bad at all/ ;-) |
| 14:23.17 | yang | lastlog -b 180 ....last goes back to october 2008 |
| 14:23.52 | yang | also lastlog -b 10 gives me same result |
| 14:24.17 | tsb_ | enouf, okay, so now it is it might be bad at all, since ... :p but I assume you mean "might not be".. hehe |
| 14:24.35 | petemc | yang: lastlog -b 180 will only print entries older than 180 days, you understand this? |
| 14:24.40 | enouf | davidef1986: it's in /proc .. ulimit -a | grep 'open files' |
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| 14:25.00 | enouf | tsb_: correct |
| 14:25.15 | enouf | oh .. |
| 14:26.03 | Tom_____ | if i have some files on my vps which is running debian and i want to copy thme to my machine and i cant ftp |
| 14:26.06 | Tom_____ | how can i do it? |
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| 14:26.26 | Dillizar | the command was dpkg for running a deb file |
| 14:26.35 | yang | petemc: lastlog -b 10 doesn't show any entries older than 10 days, either |
| 14:26.36 | enouf | man dpkg |
| 14:26.40 | OpenTokix | davidef1986: You shouldent, just change it for the application you wanna run. |
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| 14:26.50 | petemc | Tom_____: scp, it depends whats available to you |
| 14:26.55 | enouf | Tom_____: scp? |
| 14:26.59 | charzero | Why is 'ls' showing "c" before "Desktop" now? |
| 14:27.06 | Tom_____ | well i can ssh to it and have full root access |
| 14:27.13 | petemc | so scp will work |
| 14:27.17 | davidef1986 | OpenTokix: ok, l'll try to change the tomcat startup script |
| 14:27.35 | liable | Tom_____: any real need to have 4 underscores after your nick? |
| 14:27.38 | petemc | yang: works for me |
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| 14:27.42 | Tom_____ | its automatic |
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| 14:27.51 | jetx | my other computer just spontaneously rebooted |
| 14:27.57 | Tom_____ | it chatroom tries tom and says its being used |
| 14:28.00 | Tom_____ | so then trys tom_ |
| 14:28.03 | jetx | not rebooted, but died and restarted |
| 14:28.08 | enouf | s/rebooted/combusted/ |
| 14:28.09 | Tom_____ | the says that s being used etc |
| 14:28.27 | tom_de_tom | there |
| 14:28.29 | tom_de_tom | better |
| 14:28.32 | enouf | better |
| 14:28.34 | liable | thanks |
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| 14:29.22 | tom_de_tom | got it working now :) |
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| 14:31.05 | lord_rob | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.07 | OpenTokix | davidef1986: yes, just add a ulimit property to the script |
| 14:31.35 | petemc | lord_rob: you can preseed values for the installer |
| 14:32.01 | Dillizar | enouf, i can seem to get dpkg workin |
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| 14:33.12 | Dillizar | what do i need to up upfront to install the deb |
| 14:33.17 | yang | petemc: this is from the "login" package? |
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| 14:33.36 | lord_rob | petemc: isn't is possible to simpy edit the size of the partition ? After all nothing is still written to the disk at this stage ... |
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| 14:33.47 | daedhel | whats that software used for easy pining of packages ? |
| 14:33.49 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.52 | daedhel | it has a w in its name |
| 14:33.54 | jetx | partitioner, choose manual |
| 14:33.57 | petemc | yang: yes |
| 14:34.09 | yang | petemc: it doesn't work on any of my systems |
| 14:34.18 | lord_rob | yes, I'll do that jetx |
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| 14:34.40 | petemc | yang: file a big if you're sure, tho it works find on the half dozen machines ive just tried it on |
| 14:34.44 | jetx | highlight the partition, hit enter |
| 14:34.51 | RichiH | hmm |
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| 14:34.52 | jetx | (after choosing manual) |
| 14:34.55 | RichiH | i have a hardware raid |
| 14:35.25 | Hodapp | raids RichiH's hardware. |
| 14:35.33 | RichiH | i took the disks out, ran smartctl on each and then put them back into the raid |
| 14:35.44 | RichiH | now the raid claims to be degraded |
| 14:35.52 | RichiH | That Should Not Happen, correct? |
| 14:36.21 | bigpresh | RichiH: I wouldn't have thought so; what did you have smartctl do to them? |
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| 14:36.39 | jetx | gets ready to downgrade himself to jetpda |
| 14:36.40 | bigpresh | Obvious but worth checking: the discs are all back in the same positions and correctly seated, yes? |
| 14:37.04 | RichiH | bigpresh: a long test |
| 14:37.07 | Dillizar | how do i run .so file?? |
| 14:37.12 | RichiH | bigpresh: yes |
| 14:37.27 | jetx | you dont |
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| 14:38.27 | bigpresh | RichiH: What does the RAID BIOS say? Does it say one drive is failed? More than one? Attempting to rebuild? |
| 14:38.43 | jelly | Dillizar: most .so files are just libraries, providing code for other executables. |
| 14:38.59 | Dillizar | jelly, i want to install the flash player 10 |
| 14:39.05 | Dillizar | and i cant seem to do it |
| 14:39.17 | davidef1986 | OpenTokix: thanks it seems to work it has just opened 1800 file. |
| 14:39.29 | Dillizar | i am new to debian slackware and ubuntu are my os :) |
| 14:39.40 | jetx | were |
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| 14:39.46 | tsb_ | enouf, okay, it works. Curious, is it important to reboot to boot the new kernel? |
| 14:39.58 | liable | yes |
| 14:40.09 | tsb_ | liable, was that to me? |
| 14:40.15 | liable | yep |
| 14:40.19 | jetx | thought so |
| 14:40.29 | jelly | Dillizar: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 14:40.40 | OpenTokix | davidef1986: good, but then again - a process opening 1000+ files... is usally doing something it shouldnet |
| 14:40.52 | liable | tsb_: kernel upgrades are about the only good reason to reboot. |
| 14:41.06 | Dillizar | jelly, Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): what is the path for debian?? |
| 14:41.17 | yang | petemc: does your lastlog file looks like this - -rw-rw-r-- 1 root utmp 361204 2009-05-07 16:36 /var/log/lastlog |
| 14:41.19 | enouf | tsb_: ofcourse, the new kernel won't get loaded - but 1st insure your menu.lst entries (orr if lilo, run lilo) are all correct / in order |
| 14:41.21 | bigpresh | Dillizar: /usr/lib/iceweasel I suspect |
| 14:41.38 | jetx | apt-get install locate && updatedb && locate iceweasel |
| 14:41.40 | petemc | yang: yes |
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| 14:41.42 | osfd | Hi guys...I'm using homebank for (guess what) my home banking and I'd like it to be in french |
| 14:41.43 | liable | erm, bin i suspect |
| 14:41.47 | jelly | Dillizar: the preferred way of installation is shown on the wiki page |
| 14:41.54 | yang | petemc: weird |
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| 14:42.02 | jetx | |grep bin |
| 14:42.11 | osfd | I'm on the launchpad trying to download the Fr translation...what am I supposed to do with it after ?? |
| 14:42.22 | jetx | -_- |
| 14:42.36 | jetx | doesn't make a 'plan' joke |
| 14:42.38 | ComradeHaz | Hi all, could you have a brief look at http://haz.red-army.org.uk/exim and see if you have any ideas as to what might be wrong. I'm specifically wondering about "sed: -e expression #1, char 2: delimiter character is not a single-byte character" but google's not helping me much |
| 14:42.43 | yang | petemc: ii login 1:4.1.3.1-1 system login tools |
| 14:42.43 | tsb_ | enouf, yes I realize that, I was just wondering if I didn't care much about it.. but anyway, I'm rebooting.. |
| 14:42.57 | davidef1986 | OpenTokix: it apache lucene :( i don't have control about it... anyway think it's indexing the content of about 15000 files... I think it's strange too but i haven't other solutions atm |
| 14:42.58 | tsb_ | enouf, and it worked! thanks for the help! :) |
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| 14:43.41 | OpenTokix | davidef1986: ok |
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| 14:44.08 | enouf | tsb_: no prob ;-) |
| 14:44.59 | NetEcho | is away (I am away - BNC) |
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| 14:45.19 | liable | !tell NetEcho -about away |
| 14:45.36 | NetEcho | liable I can't disable it per channel |
| 14:45.40 | NetEcho | its built into psybnc |
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| 14:46.40 | liable | NetEcho: expect to get that message everytime you do it here then :) (and possibly +q'd) |
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| 14:47.13 | JyZyXEL | Mass storage controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3114 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02) |
| 14:47.15 | NetEcho | liable it happens automaticly when I disconnect from the BNC |
| 14:47.19 | JyZyXEL | the chip itself supports hotplug |
| 14:47.29 | JyZyXEL | i wonder where could i see if the kernel supports it |
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| 14:47.45 | liable | NetEcho: whats the BNC? |
| 14:47.50 | NetEcho | IRC Bouncer |
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| 14:47.56 | NetEcho | it runs on a linux host |
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| 14:48.08 | NetEcho | you connect to it, it keeps you connected to IRC even when your computer is off |
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| 14:48.40 | liable | doesnt it have a config for allowing to not send away messages? |
| 14:48.41 | jelly | judd: info psybnc |
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| 14:49.10 | NetEcho | liable not per channel |
| 14:49.13 | jelly | NetEcho: disable it completely then (or don't idle on #debian) |
| 14:49.29 | Polarina | I did a recent update on Debian Squeeze and it broke aptitude and synaptic. http://rafb.net/p/I3oEUL65.html What can I do to solve that? |
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| 14:50.22 | jelly | interesting, I was sure psybnc was free software, but apparently it's not free enough to be in debian |
| 14:50.32 | NetEcho | its 100% free |
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| 14:50.36 | NetEcho | and open source |
| 14:50.57 | bor0 | he was speaking of idling in #debian |
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| 14:51.04 | nkuttler | Polarina: breakage happens in testing.. |
| 14:51.34 | Polarina | nkuttler: When can I expect it to be resolved? |
| 14:51.38 | nkuttler | Polarina: if you really care, /msg dpkg hold, /msg dpkg snapshot |
| 14:51.47 | nkuttler | Polarina: it remains a mystery.. |
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| 14:52.41 | nkuttler | Polarina: put broken packages on hold, if necessary retrieve older versions from snapshot, upgrade rest of the system until breakage is gone |
| 14:52.53 | nkuttler | then unhold |
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| 14:53.44 | Polarina | nkuttler: Why put broken packages on hold when the current installed version is broken? |
| 14:53.52 | dons_mib | hi all |
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| 14:54.20 | nkuttler | Polarina: only the dependencies are broken, not the package itself it seems |
| 14:54.24 | dons_mib | i have some problem building my own install CD |
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| 14:54.40 | dons_mib | could someone help me please ? |
| 14:54.51 | Polarina | nkuttler: I cannot access aptitude nor syanptic, like they were removed. |
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| 14:55.04 | nkuttler | Polarina: paste the error |
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| 14:55.16 | Polarina | nkuttler: It's a simple "command not found" error from bash. |
| 14:55.44 | nkuttler | Polarina: ah. well, then don't install aptitude or synaptic. next time, install what you need in stable and upgrade to testing later |
| 14:55.52 | nkuttler | Polarina: if you _really_ want to fix it, see snapshot |
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| 14:56.14 | Polarina | nkuttler: So I can simply downgrade to a snapshot few days old? |
| 14:56.27 | dons_mib | can't you just use an install CD and then use the package in the CD ? |
| 14:56.44 | nkuttler | Polarina: maybe, maybe not. you may need to get older dependencies as well |
| 14:56.56 | nkuttler | Polarina: i'd say, just use apt-get |
| 14:57.05 | Polarina | nkuttler: aptitude is recommended over apt-get. |
| 14:57.16 | nkuttler | Polarina: stable is recommended over testing :) |
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| 15:00.10 | dons_mib | nkuttler: Polarina: soryy, but why not using a minimal install CD to get a package and then update ? |
| 15:00.25 | Polarina | nkuttler: I get a 404 when accessing http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2009/05/05/debian |
| 15:00.25 | nkuttler | dons_mib: ? |
| 15:00.35 | Polarina | dons_mib: I am not using lenny. |
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| 15:01.11 | nkuttler | Polarina: snapshot is non-trivial, read their docs |
| 15:01.11 | dons_mib | Polarina: sorry but as far as i understand it you have a probleme whith an invalid package |
| 15:01.15 | tsb_ | When I upgraded to Lenny, it wouldn't mount 1 partition in /etc/fstab. if I do it manually it works (and has worked at startup in etch). what could be wrong? |
| 15:01.37 | Polarina | nkuttler: I modified /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:01.57 | tsb_ | aha, I have to do mount /dev/foo /foo. mount /foo doesn't work, so /etc/fstab doesn't work.. perhaps it's an uuid thing |
| 15:02.09 | Polarina | nkuttler: And it appears that the archive is empty (http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/) |
| 15:02.13 | nkuttler | Polarina: sorry, i really can't help you with snapshot. haven't used it for a long time |
| 15:02.22 | dons_mib | Polarina: so xwhy not retrieving a basci one and forcing it in order to bea able to retrieve a valid one ? |
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| 15:02.52 | enouf | JyZyXEL: linux-ata.org and your kernel's documentation/source |
| 15:03.07 | enouf | needs to vamonos |
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| 15:03.23 | dons_mib | tsb_: maybe you can specify it in the fstab |
| 15:03.51 | dons_mib | # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> |
| 15:03.55 | tsb_ | dons_mib, oh, it is specified there. it worked in etch, but not after the upgrade |
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| 15:04.20 | dons_mib | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.38 | dons_mib | which one should be used ? |
| 15:04.55 | JyZyXEL | enouf kernel has documentation? where? |
| 15:04.55 | dons_mib | sorry |
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| 15:05.05 | enouf | JyZyXEL: source |
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| 15:05.26 | ajavid | someone save me from my self |
| 15:05.36 | ajavid | I wiped debian and installed windows!!! |
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| 15:05.39 | JyZyXEL | enouf are you saying grep -ri "3114" |
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| 15:06.02 | enouf | tsb_: what FSType is it .. and can you pastebin /etcfstab + blkid output + ls -l /dev/disk/by-* |
| 15:06.02 | dons_mib | tsb_: is it a special partition on a second Hard drive ? |
| 15:06.21 | JyZyXEL | guess ill just have to hotplug a HD and see if there is support |
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| 15:06.47 | enouf | JyZyXEL: i'd just search lxr .. or rgrep as you mentioned |
| 15:07.00 | yeretik | How can i get the bluetooth passcode of my laptop to pair it with my cell phone ? |
| 15:07.10 | enouf | JyZyXEL: linux-ata.org has a wiki with that info - IIRC ... |
| 15:07.30 | JyZyXEL | i know that the module that offers SI3114 support is sata_sil |
| 15:07.35 | enouf | JyZyXEL: just not sure if it'll tell you when support was added, if it is |
| 15:07.53 | JyZyXEL | http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Sata_sil |
| 15:08.04 | JyZyXEL | i see don't see a no for hotplug support |
| 15:08.10 | enouf | heh, modinfo sata_sil |
| 15:08.12 | enouf | parm: slow_down:Sledgehammer used to work around random problems, by limiting commands to 15 sectors (0=off, 1=on) (int) |
| 15:08.13 | JyZyXEL | i guess its implemented |
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| 15:09.17 | yeretik | How can i get the bluetooth passcode of my laptop to pair it with my cell phone ? Can anybody help me with this? |
| 15:09.23 | JyZyXEL | we will see soon |
| 15:09.49 | monkey_d_luffy | I have just upgrade the aptitude package and now when I search for a string (eg, "smart") and then press "n" it cycles through package names that don't have that string!!!? bug? new incorrect behavior? |
| 15:10.41 | \amethyst | monkey_d_luffy: what version of aptitude? |
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| 15:11.07 | monkey_d_luffy | \amethyst: 0.5.2.1-1 |
| 15:11.28 | enouf | JyZyXEL: the Summary of http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Sata_sil24 mentions " ... with full SATA control including hotplug and PM." heh |
| 15:11.58 | enouf | most other links there (to other modules) have no text, likely since AHCI now incorporates many of them |
| 15:12.04 | JyZyXEL | i just hotplugged a HD into it |
| 15:12.04 | monkey_d_luffy | I have apt-bugs installed and there was a bug warning on apt-xapian but I upgrade it as well... but no warning on aptitude itself. |
| 15:12.10 | JyZyXEL | nothing in dmesg |
| 15:12.57 | JyZyXEL | so it didn't work |
| 15:13.06 | monkey_d_luffy | I guess it's also searching in the package description :( I tried looking into the options menu, but didn't see anything. |
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| 15:13.56 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if there is some command i have to run |
| 15:14.00 | JyZyXEL | after hot plugging |
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| 15:15.48 | \amethyst | monkey_d_luffy: 0.5 changed to do a full text search instead of a name search |
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| 15:16.05 | \amethyst | monkey_d_luffy: this is described in the HTML docs under "Search patterns" |
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| 15:16.47 | monkey_d_luffy | \amethyst: that's really awfull :[ that makes apt-cache search useless and a PITA for searching for a specific package name. Is there an option to change this behavior? |
| 15:16.55 | monkey_d_luffy | will check the doc |
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| 15:17.40 | nuscire | hi! anyone use fbterm here? |
| 15:18.04 | nuscire | i dont konw how to set the fonts for fbterm. |
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| 15:18.43 | \amethyst | monkey_d_luffy: you can do /~nfoobar to search by name |
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| 15:19.43 | nuscire | or how can i check out which fonts i can use in terminal(framebuffer). any suggestion is appropriated. |
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| 15:20.27 | nkuttler | nuscire: console-tools afaik |
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| 15:20.52 | rahsputin | Hi, i have a Fritz! USB Wlan Stick, and a 2.6.26-2-686 Kernel on a 32bit PC. Is there a way i can it running? |
| 15:21.00 | nuscire | nkuttler: okay, i'll give it a try. thank you! |
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| 15:22.03 | monkey_d_luffy | \amethyst: thanks! that's a life saver! I'm trying to find aptitude html doc, but I'm not finding it on either google or my local system. Do you know where it is? |
| 15:22.39 | nkuttler | monkey_d_luffy: aptitude-doc-en looks promising |
| 15:22.42 | rahsputin | I have tried the driver freom AVM and a howto from http://wiki.debianforum.de/AVMTreiberInstallation but that just wont work here |
| 15:22.56 | nkuttler | !tell rahsputin about errors |
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| 15:23.28 | osfd | how do I check the default language set on my system please (I know it but I'm not exactly sure) |
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| 15:25.47 | ComradeHaz | Hi all, could you have a brief look at http://haz.red-army.org.uk/exim and see if you have any ideas as to what might be wrong. I'm specifically wondering about "sed: -e expression #1, char 2: delimiter character is not a single-byte character" but google's not helping me much |
| 15:25.56 | rahsputin | nkuttler and to those who it may concern: http://rafb.net/p/J0h3os31.html |
| 15:26.15 | cptblood | http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-mail-server-setup-with-postfix-dovecot-sasl-squirrel-mail.html <-- is this a good guide for setting up a mail server? |
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| 15:27.43 | nkuttler | rahsputin: looks like incompatible kernel/driver issue to me. what kind of driver is that anyway? |
| 15:28.01 | rahsputin | AVM linux driver |
| 15:28.09 | nkuttler | rahsputin: the wikipage clearly says 2.6.24 |
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| 15:28.24 | rahsputin | only |
| 15:28.27 | rahsputin | ok |
| 15:28.32 | rahsputin | that sucks |
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| 15:29.10 | nkuttler | rahsputin: is that a binary driver? |
| 15:29.22 | petemc | ComradeHaz: you should probably file a bug |
| 15:29.32 | monkey_d_luffy | nkuttler: I meant where it is located in my system... but I found it now |
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| 15:29.56 | nkuttler | monkey_d_luffy: dpkg -L package |
| 15:30.29 | rahsputin | i am sorry to say that i do not know what a binary driver is nkuttler |
| 15:31.06 | monkey_d_luffy | nkuttler: thanks |
| 15:31.10 | ComradeHaz | petemc: you reckon? OK :S Not done that before :D |
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| 15:31.28 | petemc | ComradeHaz: reportbug makes it easy |
| 15:31.33 | rbo_ | Hi! what does it mean? Servname not supported for ai_socktype |
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| 15:31.51 | petemc | tho reportbug may depend on a working mta |
| 15:32.00 | ComradeHaz | well, it would if I could get mail working on my machine, but for some reason my uni connection seems to mess with it |
| 15:32.16 | nkuttler | rahsputin: next time you should check that there's in-kernel support for the hardware you buy |
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| 15:33.11 | ComradeHaz | rahsputin: I use ndiswrapper. A lot of people don;t like it but I find it absolutely fine for my card |
| 15:33.13 | rahsputin | its apressent by the way, but my friend just told me that i can install the 2.6.24 without any hassle |
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| 15:33.19 | rahsputin | ok |
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| 15:34.10 | rahsputin | i found a ubuntu site that compairs the AVM linux driver and ndisrapper with XPdriver and so on |
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| 15:36.28 | rahsputin | thanx for the support nkuttler and ComradeHaz |
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| 15:38.09 | ComradeHaz | hehe, I didn't do much, but nw :) |
| 15:38.19 | rahsputin | ;) |
| 15:39.15 | rbo_ | what servers do you use for ntpd? |
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| 15:40.26 | petemc | pool.ntp.org |
| 15:41.24 | teratoma | time.apple.com |
| 15:41.47 | devhell_ | ntp-date |
| 15:41.57 | devhell_ | ntpdate-debian |
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| 15:51.02 | RichiH | is there a linux equivalent of mhdd? |
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| 15:51.19 | mphill | what is mhdd? |
| 15:51.27 | RichiH | http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Hard-Disk-Utils/MHDD.shtml |
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| 15:52.03 | leOn | hdparm ? |
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| 15:52.20 | mphill | RichiH: umm, the website has a live cd |
| 15:53.12 | RichiH | mphill: i could not find one |
| 15:53.15 | RichiH | where? |
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| 15:54.06 | fgiraldeau_ | Hello, Is there a uscan report for every packages in debian? It would be convenient to watch some packages against upstream. |
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| 15:55.36 | mphill | http://hddguru.com/download/software/mhdd/mhdd32ver4.6iso.zip |
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| 15:55.49 | mphill | right on the main page as a primary link |
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| 15:55.51 | stew | fgiraldeau_: the pts has uscan results for any package you look for |
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| 15:56.13 | JyZyXEL | [430921.590129] md: super_written gets error=-5, uptodate=0 |
| 15:56.13 | JyZyXEL | [430921.590129] raid5: Disk failure on sda1, disabling device. |
| 15:56.13 | JyZyXEL | [430921.590129] raid5: Operation continuing on 2 devices. |
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| 15:56.19 | JyZyXEL | nice results with the hotplug |
| 15:57.25 | JyZyXEL | crashed the other drives |
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| 15:57.49 | stew | fgiraldeau_: also: http://dehs.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 15:58.01 | JyZyXEL | guess im gonna be learning how to rebuild raid now |
| 15:58.06 | JyZyXEL | after i reboot |
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| 15:58.30 | fgiraldeau_ | stew: thanks, that's exacly what I was looking for! |
| 15:58.36 | SQlvpapir_ | does nice of wget madder if the connection is the limiting factor? all my browsing has become incredibly slow with this particular transfer running (1 connection) |
| 15:59.02 | bigpresh | SQlvpapir_: No, 'nice' runs at a lower priority, CPU-usage wise. |
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| 15:59.22 | bigpresh | SQlvpapir_: wget does support throttling, so you could make it download slower, so other traffic should be OK |
| 15:59.31 | SQlvpapir_ | bigpresh ok thanks |
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| 16:00.19 | SQlvpapir_ | bigpresh so nice does not affect io? |
| 16:01.04 | bigpresh | SQlvpapir_: Nope, IO makes the process run at a lower priority, which means that, if other higher priority processes want CPU time, they get it in preference to the lower-priority process |
| 16:01.25 | bigpresh | Um, "Nope, 'nice' makes the process...", not "IO makes the process". |
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| 16:02.26 | RichiH | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=30160&view=previous&sid=0060a249c53834663140f886f5450ae6 |
| 16:02.34 | RichiH | has anyone ever seen that? |
| 16:02.39 | RichiH | i have the same problem |
| 16:02.42 | RichiH | and it _sucks_ |
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| 16:04.09 | bigpresh | RichiH: My initial guess would be a falty drive |
| 16:04.17 | monkey_d_luffy | this is kind of vague, but... I remember reading (maybe > 20 months) that there was a issue with the kernel at the time that prevented the disks for spining down (which could eventually kill the drive) and there was a way to check this information (get stats on hdd about spinning or idle time, some flags... I don't remember). How can I get this information about my hdds? I remember checking my hdds at the time, but I don't remember how anymore. |
| 16:04.28 | RichiH | bigpresh: 4 our of 6? |
| 16:04.28 | bigpresh | If the drives are attached one at a time, does the same drive always report the incorrect size? |
| 16:04.33 | RichiH | within about 2 hours? |
| 16:04.41 | bigpresh | RichiH: I read it as only one drive reporting the wrong size? |
| 16:05.06 | RichiH | bigpresh: that is another guy |
| 16:05.09 | RichiH | i have 6 disks |
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| 16:05.15 | RichiH | and they are degrading _fast_ |
| 16:05.17 | bigpresh | RichiH: That's the URL you linked to? |
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| 16:05.29 | RichiH | yes, the url is someone else |
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| 16:05.49 | bigpresh | So, his problem is that he has 4 x 1TB drives, but one of them shows as 33MB |
| 16:06.07 | bigpresh | You're finding 4 of your 6 misbehaving? |
| 16:06.33 | abrotman | monkey_d_luffy: google "ubuntu kills hard drive" |
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| 16:06.37 | abrotman | monkey_d_luffy: or something like that |
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| 16:08.52 | monkey_d_luffy | abrotman: yeah, just found it on ubuntuforums now, it's with smartctl -a /dev/sda But did this only affect ubuntu? I'm running debian. Is there anything to worry about? |
| 16:09.20 | abrotman | no, it affected all linux .. but the first complains were from ubuntu people or something |
| 16:09.28 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.40 | JyZyXEL | so i wonder how do i rebuild i |
| 16:09.41 | monkey_d_luffy | abrotman: so this was a kernel bug, right? |
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| 16:15.11 | JyZyXEL | so im guessing its called assembling |
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| 16:16.07 | jenon | hey what do i need to put in terminal to update my iceweasel |
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| 16:16.29 | Uruclef | first of all you have to become root, using su |
| 16:16.31 | Uruclef | then: |
| 16:16.39 | leOn | jenon: apt-get update && apt-get install iceweasel |
| 16:16.40 | Uruclef | aptitude update && aptitude install iceweasel |
| 16:17.29 | jenon | when do i use apt-get and when aptitue |
| 16:17.43 | leOn | use one of them |
| 16:18.05 | leOn | those two lines are identical |
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| 16:19.27 | dupondje | Hellow, I just did a fresh install of debian lenny, but /proc/cpuinfo only reports 1 cpu, but its a dualcore, what could be wrong ? :s |
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| 16:19.40 | cptblood | dualcore is only 1 cpu |
| 16:19.43 | cptblood | but two cores |
| 16:19.53 | dupondje | yea, but cpuinfo should report 2 ? |
| 16:19.56 | GT-90 | i just downloaded modem booster |
| 16:20.01 | GT-90 | does it work? |
| 16:20.04 | GT-90 | i use dial up |
| 16:20.05 | dupondje | cptblood: cpu cores : 1 |
| 16:20.06 | dupondje | so :s |
| 16:20.17 | cptblood | but you said 1 cpu |
| 16:20.20 | JyZyXEL | is there a way to make mdadm not think some drive is faulty? |
| 16:20.25 | cptblood | which is a complete diff. thing |
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| 16:20.46 | GT-90 | dupondje, can i answer that question? |
| 16:20.57 | dupondje | lol ofc |
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| 16:21.01 | GT-90 | A dual core cpu has only one die |
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| 16:21.18 | GT-90 | but it is basically two processors built into one unit |
| 16:21.27 | GT-90 | with only one Cache memmory |
| 16:21.42 | dupondje | yea I know |
| 16:21.49 | dupondje | but /proc/cpuinfo should report 2 cpu's ? |
| 16:21.51 | dupondje | not 1 |
| 16:21.52 | GT-90 | older softwares and some new softwares (Windows Vista, 7) reports Core 2 Duo as 2 processors |
| 16:22.01 | GT-90 | what |
| 16:22.04 | GT-90 | ? |
| 16:22.15 | Uruclef | yes, /proc/cpuinfo should report 2 cpu |
| 16:22.19 | Uruclef | at least in my experience |
| 16:22.20 | GT-90 | yes |
| 16:22.24 | DrForge | Yes, it should report 2 cpus |
| 16:22.25 | rakeleer | In an environment where servers run Debian using Samba/LDAP auth to support windows clients, if you begin adding Linux clients, does anyone have an opinion about the best option for file sharing and authentication? |
| 16:22.26 | dupondje | well it only reports 1 |
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| 16:22.36 | GT-90 | thats strange |
| 16:22.44 | Uruclef | really strange |
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| 16:22.46 | DrForge | dupondje, Do you have a SMP kernel loaded? |
| 16:22.50 | dupondje | yep |
| 16:22.54 | cptblood | where do u see that, i dont see any reference to how many cores in cpuinfo? |
| 16:22.56 | Uruclef | SMP should be enabled by default |
| 16:22.58 | GT-90 | DrForge, can you look at the man command? |
| 16:22.58 | dupondje | 2.6.26 #1 SMP |
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| 16:23.17 | cptblood | ah, i see it |
| 16:23.25 | Uruclef | what CPU does it detect? |
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| 16:23.37 | DrForge | GT-90, Eh? |
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| 16:23.45 | JyZyXEL | holy shit |
| 16:23.45 | dupondje | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6700 @ 2.66GHz |
| 16:23.46 | GT-90 | yes |
| 16:23.50 | FFForever | anyone know where i can get a more up2date deb for suphp the repo has version 0.6.2 latest is 0.7.1 |
| 16:23.50 | JyZyXEL | i think i broke the whole thing |
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| 16:24.12 | Uruclef | I guess the processor number is 0? |
| 16:24.14 | JyZyXEL | http://pastebin.com/m7b6c534d |
| 16:24.16 | JyZyXEL | what is that? |
| 16:24.36 | sep | FFForever, look at backports.org, or do a backport yourself. ask dpkg about ssb |
| 16:24.43 | dupondje | Uruclef: yep |
| 16:24.46 | JyZyXEL | is that just filesystem errors or what? |
| 16:24.52 | dupondje | processor : 0 |
| 16:24.55 | JyZyXEL | i can't even read the disk with cfdisk /dev/sda |
| 16:25.05 | rakeleer | JyZyXEL: looks bad, huh? |
| 16:25.12 | JyZyXEL | what does it all mean? |
| 16:25.13 | Uruclef | :| |
| 16:25.24 | sneezewort | I installed kdm and it turns out I like gdm better. How do I switch back to gdm? |
| 16:25.25 | Uruclef | well, I surrender :P |
| 16:25.41 | sep | sneezewort, purge kdm |
| 16:25.50 | Uruclef | sneezewort, if you didn't install gdm: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 16:26.00 | Uruclef | sneezewort, if you didn't UNinstall gdm: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 16:26.13 | Uruclef | sneezewort, else: aptitude install gdm |
| 16:26.31 | FFForever | sep not found =( |
| 16:27.16 | rakeleer | JyZyXEL: It looks sort of a like a "fail to resume, now drives are read only" thing, but that's pure %100 guessing. |
| 16:27.28 | JyZyXEL | reboot? |
| 16:27.38 | rakeleer | Might as well. |
| 16:27.58 | stevem | Does anyone have any tips on how to backport something from sid to lenny? i.e. get the source, package it up to work with lenny? |
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| 16:28.10 | JyZyXEL | god damn things got nicely fucked up |
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| 16:28.30 | sep | stevem, ask dpkg about ssb |
| 16:28.42 | bluethundr | my lead developer is asking me where the tomcat5.5 webapps folder is located. I'm not the tomcat guy, I do dns. what do I tell him? |
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| 16:29.36 | dupondje | so anybody ? ;) |
| 16:30.27 | rakeleer | dupondje: I don't suppose you have any options in your BIOS that might effect detected cores? |
| 16:30.32 | sep | bluethundr, i would say that is site spesific. so something like "go read the configfiles yourself you lazy fuck!" would probably work. |
| 16:30.50 | dupondje | nop, but the weird thing is, it saw 2 cores before I added raid controller :s |
| 16:30.51 | dupondje | wtf :s |
| 16:30.54 | sep | bluethundr, optinally you read them, and tell him that |
| 16:31.22 | bluethundr | sep: hahahhaha!!!!!! LOVE IT! I want to tell him that. however I have been accused of being the linux troll with the biggest cock on the block before |
| 16:31.55 | bluethundr | I have never touched tomcat before. I'm assuming the config files are in /etc/tomcat5.5 |
| 16:32.23 | sep | dupondje, stupid question, but you do know that do do know that cpuinfo counts cpu's from 0 right ? |
| 16:32.37 | dupondje | héhé sep ofc :) |
| 16:32.45 | dupondje | it only shows 1 cpu (cpu0) |
| 16:32.48 | rakeleer | bluethundr: find / -iname \*tomcat\* >> /tmp/craptosort & and then go to lunch? |
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| 16:33.24 | bluethundr | rakeleer: mmmmmm! buuuurrrrgeerrrrr! :) thanks! |
| 16:33.33 | rakeleer | hehe |
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| 16:34.35 | sep | dupondje, and you do not run a 486 kernel or somethnig ? (uname -a) |
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| 16:34.55 | dupondje | 2.6.26 #1 SMP Thu May 7 14:28:20 CEST 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:35.21 | rakeleer | dupondje: stupid question, when you run 'top' and push '1' while it's running, does it only show one CPU there as well? |
| 16:35.29 | dupondje | yep |
| 16:35.50 | rakeleer | dupondje: Is ACPI turned off in your kernel? |
| 16:35.59 | rakeleer | dupondje: i.e. booted with acpi=off option |
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| 16:36.04 | dupondje | nopz :) |
| 16:36.20 | sep | dupondje, cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 16:36.51 | bluethundr | this is my magic answer based on what I found - /usr/share/tomcat5.5-webapps/ |
| 16:37.00 | bluethundr | anyone care to back me up? |
| 16:37.15 | sep | bluethundr, that is the default example webapps i belive |
| 16:37.19 | dupondje | rebootin atm :p |
| 16:37.45 | sep | from the package tomcat5.5-webapps |
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| 16:37.54 | bluethundr | sep: oh, so I would have to find the one specific to our install -- gotcha |
| 16:38.03 | sep | ofcourse you can have put all yor own stuff there aswell. btu that's not how i would have gone about it |
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| 16:38.19 | stevem | sep: is it likely I'll have to backport the -dev of the package before I can backport the actual package?> |
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| 16:38.26 | bluethundr | sep: right. gotcha. the guy who setup tomcat on this box really knew what he was doing. |
| 16:38.54 | sep | i don't (when it comes to tomcat) so that does not mean much :) |
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| 16:40.18 | bluethundr | the only other one I see appears to be in one of the developers home folder. that can't be it, can it? /home/dev-guy/apache-tomcat-5.5.27/webapps/ |
| 16:40.25 | Samaseon | what can i do about "unmet dependencies" when doing apt-get install? |
| 16:40.31 | Samaseon | (i'm running stable) |
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| 16:41.45 | Samaseon | anybody here that knows anything about debian? |
| 16:42.06 | stew | Samaseon: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:42.24 | sep | bluethundr, check for configfiles in /etc/tomcat5.5/Catalina |
| 16:43.01 | bluethundr | sep: ah! gotcha.. thanks. I saw the Catalina directory but I didn't know it's function |
| 16:43.08 | sep | bluethundr, that is probably just the ersult of him untaring the default webaps tar ball. if he installed tomcat from source |
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| 16:43.29 | bluethundr | sep: i see |
| 16:43.52 | Samaseon | sorry, i don't get the same output now as previously (?) |
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| 16:44.06 | sep | bluethundr, now if you know the filename of one or 2 of the files of your own app. you could just search for them |
| 16:44.33 | sep | something like find / -name our_own_webapp_something.whatever |
| 16:44.34 | bluethundr | sep: on it! thanks for your help! :) |
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| 16:44.44 | Samaseon | stew, well this is from my unstable box |
| 16:44.53 | JyZyXEL | man hotplugging a drive really fucking destroyed one of the disk |
| 16:44.53 | JyZyXEL | http://pastebin.com/m7cd0d25a |
| 16:45.07 | JyZyXEL | im guessing the filesystem is all broken |
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| 16:45.17 | JyZyXEL | guess ill have to re-partition it |
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| 16:45.27 | JyZyXEL | and then mdadm --add it |
| 16:45.40 | sep | <-afk |
| 16:45.44 | Samaseon | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
| 16:45.56 | Samaseon | (command was apt-get -f install) |
| 16:46.05 | JyZyXEL | but ionno |
| 16:46.17 | JyZyXEL | is that hardware error or mdadm error in the dmesg |
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| 16:48.22 | stew | Samaseon: i'd recommend also trying "aptitude -f install" as aptitude tends to have better dependency resolution |
| 16:48.26 | stew | Samaseon: do you have held packages? |
| 16:48.36 | JyZyXEL | jesus im getting errors so much |
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| 16:49.01 | Samaseon | stew, i'll put the output in a file on www, just a minute |
| 16:49.10 | JyZyXEL | what the HELL is going on |
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| 16:51.20 | JyZyXEL | maybe the hotplugging burnt the whole chip |
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| 16:52.04 | stew | Samaseon: you are trying to upgrade from etch to unstable, skipping lenny, and skipping relelases is not supportd |
| 16:52.08 | stew | Samaseon: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 16:52.46 | Samaseon | stew: 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 16:52.49 | stew | Samaseon: you need to first upgrade to lenny: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 16:52.58 | stew | Samaseon: and before you upgrade to lenny, you need to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel |
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| 16:53.09 | JordiGH | I've got some really old software the generates error logs in /tmp. Rather than patching my software, I wonder if there's a way to logrotate those logs instead of deleting them periodically. |
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| 16:53.36 | Samaseon | stew, ok thanks, i'll try |
| 16:54.08 | dupondje | sep: after rebooting few times, and inserting vga card |
| 16:54.12 | stew | Samaseon: you should have upgraded to 2.6 before upgrading to etch. so the release notes might assume you are already running 2.6. but you MUST upgrade to 2.6 before upgrading beyond etch |
| 16:54.14 | dupondje | I suddenly have 2 cores :s |
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| 16:54.30 | stew | JordiGH: sure, you should be able to drop a file into /etc/logrotate.d |
| 16:54.45 | Samaseon | stew: ok i try to upgrade to 2.6 |
| 16:55.21 | JordiGH | steve: Ah, that easy? |
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| 16:56.40 | stew | JordiGH: i'm sure steve would find it as easy as I do |
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| 16:56.55 | stew | :P |
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| 16:57.30 | JordiGH | Langasek? |
| 16:57.37 | stew | whoever you were talking to |
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| 16:57.45 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 16:57.59 | JordiGH | steve: Wtf are you, and why are you ruining my tab-completion? |
| 16:58.05 | stew | JordiGH: look at the other files in that directory as a guide and "man logrotate" |
| 16:58.14 | azeem | JordiGH: please don't harass random users |
| 16:58.18 | JordiGH | stew: I'm on it. |
| 16:58.29 | azeem | JordiGH: and/or get a decent IRC client |
| 16:58.43 | JordiGH | steve: ;-) |
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| 17:09.57 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 17:09.57 | dpkg | <stoned> I dunno why I did what I did yesterday <stoned> I deleted my debian partitios on my desktop, and installed NTFS/xp/visual studio and now I'm going... FUCK. Shouldnt've done that |
| 17:09.57 | JordiGH | Don't I need to kick some daemon in order to make my new logrotate conffile work? |
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| 17:10.13 | abrotman | hey .. i think that happened again today ... |
| 17:10.21 | abrotman | JordiGH: it's a cron.daily thing |
| 17:10.36 | JordiGH | abrotman: I see. |
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| 17:18.16 | leOn | hrm ... there isn't any linux-image-xen on sid? |
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| 17:20.18 | rakeleer | JordiGH: but you CAN force the log rotation with logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.d/yourfile |
| 17:21.23 | edju | might someone take a look at http://rafb.net/p/A4G2ve92.html - my inittab file - and see if it's ok? i can't get a console from X. |
| 17:21.39 | JordiGH | rakeleer: I see. |
| 17:21.39 | abrotman | using which X driver? |
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| 17:22.21 | edju | abrotman, that directed to me? nvidia. |
| 17:23.26 | FFForever | where is the default php.ini? |
| 17:23.34 | abrotman | for which type of PHP? |
| 17:23.43 | abrotman | edju: yes it was directed at you |
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| 17:24.02 | FFForever | php5-cgi |
| 17:24.17 | abrotman | /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini |
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| 17:24.41 | edju | abrotman, nvidia 173.14.09 |
| 17:24.56 | abrotman | what happens when you ctrl-alt-f1 ? |
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| 17:25.37 | edju | just a black screen - no prompt. |
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| 17:37.08 | fluxdude | which is better: fai, system-imager or d-i preseed? |
| 17:37.23 | FFForever | how can i keep ssh from timing out after awhile when i don't type and try to type nothing goes through =\ |
| 17:37.45 | cahoot | isn't there a keep_alive option? |
| 17:38.48 | stew | FFForever: note that it isn't ssh timing out, its some router in between killing your connection. probably a residential router that is doing nat for you. possibly you can change this router to stop killing your connections |
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| 17:39.31 | FFForever | stew, i have a crappy cable router provided 2 me by twc with very little advance configuration options =\ |
| 17:39.41 | rakeleer | In an environment where servers run Debian using Samba/LDAP auth to support windows clients, if you begin adding Linux clients, does anyone have an opinion about the best option for file sharing and authentication? |
| 17:39.50 | FFForever | is there a quick fix for this? |
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| 17:41.56 | rakeleer | FFForever, maybe mess with ServerAliveInterval or TCPKeepAlive in ssh_config or as options? |
| 17:43.04 | rakeleer | FFForever, Something like this: http://madphilosopher.ca/2005/07/an-ssh-keep-alive-tip/ |
| 17:43.04 | FFForever | thanks |
| 17:44.08 | tsb_ | enouf, ah, no wonder! fstab specified ext3, but it was reiserfs! strange it worked in etch.. and sorry for the late reply, I fell asleep! |
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| 17:50.09 | picasho | Hello. Why my download speed is close to theoretical maximum, but upload is only 100 K per second in local networks? (linux). Thanks. |
| 17:51.00 | gusto | faulty cat5 cable for example |
| 17:51.46 | gusto | is there someone who can support my theory? |
| 17:52.03 | rakeleer | easy test, swap cables |
| 17:52.16 | picasho | gusto no, windows on the same hardware is OK |
| 17:52.23 | gusto | however you have two pairs for upload and two pairs for download on cat5 cable, maybe the pairs which are for upload are no properly connected |
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| 17:52.37 | gusto | picasho: aha |
| 17:52.57 | gusto | picasho: and what network card do you have? |
| 17:53.02 | picasho | What it may be? Window TCP size? |
| 17:53.07 | picasho | realtec |
| 17:53.09 | picasho | tek |
| 17:54.17 | gusto | realtek should be OK, the drivers are fine |
| 17:54.39 | gusto | so i honestly dont know why its behaving like that |
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| 17:55.19 | gusto | picasho: does windows work also with 100mbits both ways? |
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| 17:56.02 | dustybin | if you own a online store, how would you label the sensitive information part / HTTPS, https://secure.mybox.net or https://orders.mybox.net do you think a normal user would be more happy to see 'secure'? |
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| 17:56.16 | picasho | gusto yes... |
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| 17:56.57 | gusto | picasho: OK, so I dont know |
| 17:57.24 | picasho | gusto, ok, thanks |
| 17:57.26 | paracetamolo | how do you check the network speed? just transfering a file or with a specific tool? |
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| 17:57.56 | picasho | Who using yamaha cp-33 or P-104? |
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| 18:00.55 | alex2 | can i install via netinstall iso fluxbox ? |
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| 18:02.44 | jayeola | when using mysql does one really have to type everything in caps? |
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| 18:04.14 | greycat | no |
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| 18:05.37 | stew | jayeola: no, that is just a convention used by many people to make SQL keywords stand out, you can use any case you prefer for the sql, the names of tables and such are case sensitive though |
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| 18:05.57 | jayeola | yah. thought so and thanks! |
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| 18:08.43 | JyZyXEL | looks like hotplugging my HD caused the filesystem in it to brake |
| 18:08.51 | dkr | you can configure those to be case insensitive,too. though |
| 18:09.00 | JyZyXEL | and it also broke filesystem on one of my raid disks |
| 18:09.37 | JyZyXEL | luckily im still able to mount the disk that i hotplugged |
| 18:09.46 | JyZyXEL | so i can backup all the data |
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| 18:11.27 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if there is some test i could do to the two disks that supposedly survived? |
| 18:11.44 | cptblood | ultimate bootcd has software for that |
| 18:11.59 | JyZyXEL | cptblood what tool is that? |
| 18:12.45 | JyZyXEL | and why would i boot there when i have a perfectly functioning debian booted |
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| 18:13.30 | JyZyXEL | maybe fsck and somekind of parity data check? |
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| 18:16.47 | kamathln | hi, a stupid qn : If i install i386 Debian , do I get multi-core support ? |
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| 18:16.59 | greycat | yes |
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| 18:17.09 | kamathln | greycat: thhank you! |
| 18:17.27 | yup | hello |
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| 18:20.37 | giusef | Hi all. Removing transmission-daemon, dpkg hungs up because of an error in the postrm script. As a result, I have that package in the half-installed state. Even switching on the --force-all option. Is there a way to discover what's happening more deeply? Thank you. |
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| 18:21.04 | greycat | giusef: the scripts are in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ if you want to debug them. |
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| 18:21.45 | yup | I have PC with CPU Celeron 1.4 Ghz, with 250 of ram, running xfce4, squeeze/sid |
| 18:21.45 | yup | and installation with dpkg takes a lot of time, i heared of dpkg with sqlite support ( to speed up installation), but seems there is no progress with that. Does anybody knows how can I speed up installation process ? |
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| 18:22.15 | greycat | yum: If the problem is that you run out of memory and start thrashing, then adding more RAM would help. |
| 18:22.21 | greycat | yup* |
| 18:22.40 | yup | no, it simple takes a lot of time to install something |
| 18:22.42 | greycat | But in general, there is no --go-faster switch. |
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| 18:23.43 | yup | hm, but why there is no progress with dpkg+sqlite ? |
| 18:24.03 | alex2 | is here anyone who use debian+flux ? |
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| 18:24.35 | cptblood | JyZyXEL: tools developed for and by your hdd manufacturer |
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| 18:26.28 | jpinx-eeepc | tell him to ask the tomcat guy? ;) |
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| 18:28.01 | Pailaps | hello |
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| 18:31.32 | Pailaps | pardon my english, but what would have went wrong if one cannot logon to xrdp server via remote desktop client? |
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| 18:31.53 | Pailaps | window manager gets started properly |
| 18:32.13 | Pailaps | but when user types in username and password nothing happens |
| 18:33.07 | Pailaps | it complains about permissions in the logs, but they should be fine |
| 18:33.40 | Pailaps | xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open virtual console 7 (Permission denied) |
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| 18:34.45 | Pailaps | usually i manage on my own, but this leaves me bedazzled |
| 18:34.57 | Pailaps | any hints? |
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| 18:36.11 | emorris | rsync |
| 18:36.15 | emorris | woops |
| 18:36.24 | emorris | that was meant to go in the terminal |
| 18:36.32 | Pailaps | hehe, aye it happens |
| 18:36.48 | emorris | it's what you get for dual monitors |
| 18:36.52 | Pailaps | looks for clues meanwhile |
| 18:37.02 | Pailaps | yeah |
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| 18:37.11 | Pailaps | i have to squish the bug |
| 18:37.38 | Pailaps | doubt its a bug , i think im doing something wrong |
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| 18:37.51 | Pailaps | altho everything is default |
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| 18:38.03 | Pailaps | and i edited startwm.sh to execute xfce properly |
| 18:38.09 | kickme | anyone from ontario |
| 18:38.16 | jpinx-eeepc | is there a command/application like dig/whois that will show me where an IP is and who it belongs to? |
| 18:40.19 | petemc | jpinx-eeepc: you can whois an ip and there are geoip tools, but the information you'll find is limited |
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| 18:41.05 | jpinx-eeepc | petemc: ok - looking thanks |
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| 18:42.39 | xingu | hands jpinx-eeepc a mapping of all uint32_t-to-patent-owners |
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| 18:43.21 | abchirk | Hi with what I could get a permanent backgroundimage in console.. no X! |
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| 18:44.37 | ToM_de_ToM | hi guys |
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| 18:44.51 | ToM_de_ToM | running apt-get update and apt-get upgrade how often shoul this be ran? |
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| 18:45.01 | ToM_de_ToM | also doing this does it wipe, change settings? |
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| 18:47.51 | BlakeLSU | Hello all... |
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| 18:48.29 | Dassu | Hello there lonely guy |
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| 18:50.18 | BlakeLSU | If anyone is familiar with bash scripting and wouldn't mind looking over a very small one to help me find an error, I would be infinitely appreciative. I normally wouldn't ask such a thing but it's for my work and I'm getting desperate... a link to the script is here http://pastebin.com/m7ea3b29 and to the outputs is here http://pastebin.com/m27c21ce5. |
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| 18:51.16 | greycat | BlakeLSU: it's not clear from a quick glance at the script what you think the error is. |
| 18:51.28 | unomi | BAD output (ZINC# is only 1 decimal place long) |
| 18:51.31 | BlakeLSU | heh... I know, and I would assume that the script itself is very messy. |
| 18:51.39 | greycat | I've seen much worse. |
| 18:51.40 | unomi | ah |
| 18:52.03 | greycat | This part here is probably wrong: aff=$(echo $line | sed 's/ */ /g' |
| 18:52.11 | ik | hey, I'm pbuilding things and I need to backport a thing that build-depends on some other things I backported. So I've got these .debs and I want to tell pbuilder "use these to satisfy your build-depends!". |
| 18:52.11 | greycat | You didn't quote "$line" so you already mangled whitespace. |
| 18:52.28 | BlakeLSU | hrm... so what would you change greycat. |
| 18:52.28 | ik | Is there a way to just hand them to pbuilder, or shall I have to put them in a repository and point pbuilder at that? |
| 18:52.52 | BlakeLSU | I must admit, I'm very new to scripting... my field is biochemistry and I'm having to learn this for cancer drug discovery based research. |
| 18:53.02 | greycat | BlakeLSU: same with the line above it, echo $line | grep WHITESPACESTUFF |
| 18:53.13 | unomi | you might want to use something else than bash scripting for this tbh |
| 18:53.13 | greycat | if you don't quote "$line" then all your whitespace is shot to hell. |
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| 18:53.20 | BlakeLSU | heh... any suggestions as to what I could change it to? |
| 18:53.26 | greycat | "$line" |
| 18:53.30 | BlakeLSU | k |
| 18:53.31 | petemc | BlakeLSU: you can add -x to your shebang line to help debug it |
| 18:53.34 | greycat | I keep saying it... |
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| 18:53.48 | BlakeLSU | shebang line? |
| 18:53.55 | petemc | the first line |
| 18:53.55 | greycat | #! |
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| 18:54.28 | initmax | hello, who know virtual file system /proc ? |
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| 18:54.43 | stew | initmax: many people. just ask your real question |
| 18:54.45 | greycat | Having said all that, the unquoted variables were just the first thing I noticed that MIGHT be a problem. I have no idea what your actual symptoms are. |
| 18:56.10 | tsb_ | enouf, now I remember the problem. I'm upgrading a few other servers now and all I am getting is libc errors :S |
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| 18:56.14 | xingu | !beer greycat |
| 18:56.14 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for greycat |
| 18:57.08 | BlakeLSU | greycat: I changed all the $line to "$line" and still had truncated numbers :( |
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| 18:57.26 | ToM_de_ToM | hi I am trying to connect my mac to my new setup debian vpn and i get the following http://pastebin.com/m21d24b4c |
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| 18:57.28 | BlakeLSU | heh, any other suggestions? |
| 18:57.33 | ToM_de_ToM | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 18:58.59 | abrotman | it tells you which URL to check |
| 19:00.09 | tsb_ | I am unable to upgrade to lenny from etch because I am getting libc errors. While trying to upgrade libc6 I get "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)". Anyone have any idea how to proceed here? |
| 19:00.22 | initmax | stew: I need write programm, where is to be read /proc every directory who is name == numbers, and print file status row VmSize, but not every directory include string VmSize, why ? |
| 19:00.27 | greycat | tsb_: find the *first* error. |
| 19:00.58 | greycat | initmax: why not just use the ps command? |
| 19:01.13 | BlakeLSU | Any other suggestions you guys... I don't mean to be a moocher but it's really really important that I get this script working. Moreover, I can't thank all of you enough for the help already given... |
| 19:01.13 | tsb_ | greycat, http://rafb.net/p/Sxkoda41.html |
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| 19:01.47 | initmax | greycat: heh, This is the challenge |
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| 19:02.26 | pagarill | can somebody help me? i've got a "error loading operating system" :-( |
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| 19:02.30 | greycat | initmax: what is? reading the manual? |
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| 19:03.30 | greycat | tsb_: what kernel are you running it on? |
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| 19:04.02 | BlakeLSU | Anyone able to offer any assistance? |
| 19:04.13 | greycat | BlakeLSU: run it with "set -x" and see what happens when. |
| 19:04.17 | tsb_ | greycat, (hold on :) ) 2.6.1 |
| 19:04.28 | initmax | greycat: yes, I read manual, but I must write programm on C myself... |
| 19:04.31 | BlakeLSU | k... what line do I add that to? |
| 19:04.35 | greycat | tsb_: the warning seems to indicate that you need to upgrade the kernel before you can upgrade libc |
| 19:04.41 | greycat | BlakeLSU: "set -x" at the top of the script |
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| 19:05.21 | tsb_ | greycat, oh, okay.. I have the latest etch installed, but I'm not running it. is the system gone haywire here now or should it boot fine? |
| 19:05.30 | linuxopjemac | has anyone ever tried to compile gdictthai ? |
| 19:05.37 | greycat | tsb_: you need to install and boot a 2.6.8 or later kernel |
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| 19:06.26 | linuxopjemac | I tried it on my Lenny ppc box |
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| 19:07.39 | BlakeLSU | greycat... I ran it with "-set x" directly following the #! line and it gave me a "command not found" error. |
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| 19:07.44 | edju | could someone check out http://rafb.net/p/A4G2ve92.html - my inittab file - and see if it's ok? I can't get into a console from X - at-ctrl-f1 gets me just a black screen, no prompt. nvidia 173.14.09 driver. also. console login from kdm same result. |
| 19:07.51 | greycat | BlakeLSU: on a separate line. |
| 19:07.56 | BlakeLSU | but after? |
| 19:07.59 | greycat | BlakeLSU: "set -x" not "-set x" |
| 19:08.28 | tsb_ | Is there a script to generate a kernel .config from a running kernel? |
| 19:08.28 | BlakeLSU | oppps.. k, changed it. |
| 19:08.38 | greycat | tsb_: "make oldconfig" |
| 19:09.00 | greycat | tsb_: but you will still face 70 or 80 minutes worth of mind-blowingly insane questions. Acronyms will haunt your nightmares. |
| 19:09.06 | tsb_ | greycat, not from an old .config file, but from the *running* kernel-image. |
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| 19:09.13 | greycat | tsb_: most of us stopped trying and just use Debian kernels instead. |
| 19:09.24 | jamon | tsb_: /proc/config.gz, or use the config in /boot for your kernel |
| 19:09.27 | tsb_ | greycat, yes I know, I've done it many times :) |
| 19:09.36 | jamon | /proc/config.gz isn't enabled in debian kernels though |
| 19:09.37 | greycat | That explains it. You lost your sanity. |
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| 19:09.46 | BlakeLSU | still giving me problems greycat... |
| 19:09.59 | greycat | BlakeLSU: the set -x doesn't FIX anything. It just helps you SEE where the problem is occurring. |
| 19:10.09 | tsb_ | greycat, well, it is because I want to tune the scheduling stuff for a gameserver.. |
| 19:10.44 | linuxopjemac | q |
| 19:10.45 | BlakeLSU | ahhh |
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| 19:12.12 | tsb_ | jamon, but debian kernels compile 9k things as modules, I want to automagically grab those from lsmod or whatever and plug them into a .config file. Surely such a project must exist? :) |
| 19:12.18 | BlakeLSU | ugh... i guess this problem is going to get the best of me. I thank all of you for the help. |
| 19:12.31 | greycat | tsb_: and surely that's what "make oldconfig" does. |
| 19:13.20 | tsb_ | greycat, oh? I was sure it based your selection on .config in your dir, and just asked you whatever new questions was in that version |
| 19:13.30 | greycat | eh, I don't know. I gave up on Linux. |
| 19:13.33 | greycat | Too fucking hard. |
| 19:13.43 | tsb_ | o.O |
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| 19:17.23 | greycat | Anyway, I could have sworn that if you don't already have a .config file in the source tree, oldconfig uses the one in /boot/config-$(uname -r). I might be wrong. |
| 19:17.43 | Eulex | I don't think it does, actually |
| 19:17.51 | Eulex | it has some kind of default that it uses |
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| 19:18.24 | greycat | Anyone who's insane enough to build their own kernels shouldn't be asking me for help with it. |
| 19:18.31 | stew | oldconfig takes .config and makes sure it is up to date with any new config options, afaik |
| 19:18.45 | stew | and will ask you about any itesm which were missing |
| 19:19.04 | tsb_ | stew, yes I'm sure it's like that also. |
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| 19:19.53 | tsb_ | greycat, you can't tinker with the tickrate and scheduler without compiling it yourself |
| 19:20.23 | tsb_ | which tickrate is lenny running the kernel at by the way? not 100hz still right? |
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| 19:23.07 | at0m | tsb_, see /boot/config-2.6.* |
| 19:23.23 | tsb_ | at0m, of course, thank you. |
| 19:23.52 | tsb_ | 250, right.. |
| 19:24.19 | at0m | tsb_, and more isn't always better: it's always a compromise.. |
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| 19:24.32 | tsb_ | but like, it should be doable to take the configfile, match it against lsmod and remove modules that aren't used from the file |
| 19:24.54 | tsb_ | at0m, I know, more time is spent doing context-switches and you get less throughput |
| 19:25.17 | jamon | tsb_: ok, cp /boot/config-`uname -r` to your .config for your new kernel |
| 19:25.40 | jamon | tsb_: then make oldconfig, answer the questions when prompted, and then use make-kpkg |
| 19:26.11 | at0m | tsb_, re: match config to lsmod: if the names happen to match maybe.. |
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| 19:26.25 | tsb_ | jamon, yes this works, but my point is that since the debian-kernel has to be so generic, it compiles a throng of stuff as modules. I don't need them, I don't want them.. and those I want, I can compile straight into it.. |
| 19:26.28 | jamon | see tsb_, the problem is not loaded modules, things that are statically compiled in, you have no way of knowing what's there |
| 19:26.39 | stew | tsb_: what context switches are you talking about? |
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| 19:26.54 | stew | tsb_: why do you care if they are modules or not? security? |
| 19:27.01 | jamon | tsb_: i know, but trust me when i say you'd rather disable compiling modules than fuck things up and miss a few because you started from an empty .config |
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| 19:27.53 | jamon | tsb_: my point is do it this way once, and it becomes easy any time you roll a new kernel since you have a known working good config for your hardware |
| 19:27.54 | at0m | tsb_, i remember getting into trouble removing too much. so unless diskspace is a real issue (?) i'd just compile them as modules and keep maybe lsmod'd stuff as built-ins |
| 19:28.04 | jamon | put the time and effort in doing it right the first time |
| 19:28.39 | tsb_ | no, I don't care about the security-side of it. I care because it makes it faster to compile. |
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| 19:29.00 | stew | tsb_: installing a stock kernel is even faster than compiling, modules or no modules |
| 19:29.01 | tsb_ | (I expect I'll be trying this-and-that..) |
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| 19:30.13 | at0m | tsb_, it took me 3-5 attempts to get it right. so go figure compilation times... |
| 19:30.32 | at0m | s/times/durations |
| 19:30.53 | tsb_ | steve, the thing is I need to change the tick, and since I am already doing that, it means I am going to have to compile my own kernel, and therefore I might as well remove all the modules I don't use etc.. but eh, it's not important of course.. |
| 19:31.03 | tsb_ | stew, i mean. |
| 19:31.17 | pagarill | can somedoby help me? I've got an "error loading operating system".. I tried to install Win XP on a separate partition.. |
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| 19:32.23 | abrotman | pagarill: loading which OS? |
| 19:32.42 | tsb_ | pagarill, do you get it before or after grub starts to load? |
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| 19:32.54 | greycat | Perhaps grub isn't loading at all. |
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| 19:33.01 | greycat | There's a real lack of information there. |
| 19:33.07 | tsb_ | pagarill, if you get it before, the partition with grub on it needs to be marked bootable. if it is windows, good luck! |
| 19:33.17 | pagarill | i'm using debian testing, and i dont get to see anything from grub |
| 19:33.37 | greycat | pagarill: did Debian boot fine until you loaded Windows? |
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| 19:33.58 | pagarill | yes |
| 19:34.01 | tsb_ | pagarill, boot from a livecd, fdisk /dev/sda, iterate over each partition, marking them as bootable and rebooting.. |
| 19:34.19 | greycat | pagarill: boot from CD for sure, and then reinstall GRUB into the master boot record |
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| 19:34.42 | greycat | pagarill: the general process will be: boot a linux CD, get a shell, mount your Debian system, chroot into it, and run the grub stuff |
| 19:34.44 | tsb_ | that will work also, yes :) |
| 19:35.04 | pagarill | i'm already in a shell |
| 19:35.12 | at0m | tsb_, need RT kernel? why not just follow an ardour howto or get config from 64studio? |
| 19:35.25 | pagarill | and when i grub-install it says: your /usr is broken |
| 19:35.40 | tsb_ | at0m, ardour? |
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| 19:36.06 | at0m | tsb_, ardour is main sequencer/multitracker on linux |
| 19:36.08 | tsb_ | at0m, yes basically if I can get a 1000hz kernel I am happy. preemption also, if that is not defualt in lenny would be cool |
| 19:36.42 | at0m | tsb_, 64studio is debian (same repo's and one extra) that is tuned for realtime performance |
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| 19:37.23 | at0m | but i'm afraid more of that would be offtopic here :/ |
| 19:37.25 | tsb_ | at0m, sounds neat, I can't just reinstall things though, offsite servers (i need this for gameservers not audio-work) |
| 19:37.40 | v4nelle | akuei KLMT UNION -MESA STO PARKO ......OEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 19:37.57 | jamon | tsb_: at0m is providing you with a way to get a realtime .config file is all |
| 19:37.59 | greycat | is that rot13? |
| 19:38.01 | at0m | tsb_, no need to reinstall: just add repo's line and install other kernel :> |
| 19:38.16 | tsb_ | at0m, ah, cool |
| 19:38.26 | Eulex | !rot13 akuei KLMT UNION -MESA STO PARKO ......OEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 19:38.26 | dpkg | nxhrv XYZG HAVBA -ZRFN FGB CNEXB ......BRBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB |
| 19:38.31 | Eulex | nope |
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| 19:38.38 | greycat | the BRBBB part almost works. |
| 19:38.48 | Eulex | hehe |
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| 19:39.23 | simonrvn | KLMT sounds like some airport or radio station callsign in the u.s. |
| 19:39.41 | Melior | how do i run mkvtoolnix? Just typing mkvtoolnix doesn't start it. I have the gui version on lenny |
| 19:40.13 | pagarill | any idea, what i can do about the broken /usr? |
| 19:40.42 | jamon | pagarill: you haven't told us where you've booted from e.g is this a livecd, a grub prompt, or what? |
| 19:41.01 | greycat | (what broken /usr?) |
| 19:41.10 | pagarill | the debian install cd |
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| 19:41.22 | pagarill | in rescue mode |
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| 19:42.32 | tom_de_tom | hi is there a command to use to see what packages are install in debian? |
| 19:42.41 | pagarill | greycat: i'm having an "error loading os" and i want to reinstall grub, but when i try it says: your /usr is broken |
| 19:43.00 | greycat | Did you forget to mount it before you chrooted into the Debian root? |
| 19:43.12 | jamon | tom_de_tom: dpkg -l |
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| 19:43.40 | tom_de_tom | thanks |
| 19:44.03 | tom_de_tom | and is it dpkg remove [packagename] to remove |
| 19:44.08 | greycat | tom_de_tom: man dpkg |
| 19:44.13 | jamon | tom_de_tom: use aptitude |
| 19:44.15 | pagarill | is chroot a command i have to use? |
| 19:44.20 | jamon | tom_de_tom: (for both) |
| 19:44.20 | greycat | tom_de_tom: but you might have more luck with "apt-get remove" or aptitude |
| 19:44.30 | greycat | pagarill: usually, yes. |
| 19:44.51 | at0m | simonrvn, KLM is royal dutch airline/-force |
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| 19:45.01 | pagarill | because my shell doesnt know that command.. |
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| 19:45.39 | greycat | then your shell isn't going to be very useful for rescue |
| 19:46.05 | tom_de_tom | thanks |
| 19:46.15 | greycat | I don't know of any way to reinstall grub/lilo stuff without chrooting. |
| 19:46.46 | pagarill | ah, i just found it. i opened a shell from the install environment |
| 19:46.55 | pagarill | and there's chroot |
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| 19:48.05 | pibe | hello |
| 19:48.42 | pibe | why i cant read ntfs units with this "moun /dev/sda1 /mnt/disk1" ? |
| 19:48.52 | pibe | why cant i read* |
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| 19:51.02 | Samaseon | stew, got both boxes upgraded to lenny and kernel 2.6.26, everything seems ok, thanks for the help |
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| 19:51.23 | stew | Samaseon: excellent |
| 19:51.40 | Samaseon | it was mainly because aptitude was more helpful than apt-get |
| 19:51.52 | Samaseon | ok cya later |
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| 19:54.00 | Conic | Hey guys, what kernel does Lenny come with? |
| 19:54.13 | greycat | 2.6.26 |
| 19:54.23 | Conic | I need at least 2.6.29.1 for it to boot on my hardware |
| 19:54.36 | greycat | Then you'll need a post-lenny kernel, or a custom kernel. |
| 19:54.37 | Conic | Hm. Guess I'm stuck, then |
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| 19:54.44 | pibe | Linux pibe 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:54.48 | Conic | What if I use the network install CD? |
| 19:54.53 | Conic | Does that download the latest one? |
| 19:54.58 | greycat | no |
| 19:55.08 | pibe | it would download some files from internet |
| 19:55.25 | greycat | And I'm not sure how simple it is to build your own netinstall CD with a post-lenny or custom kernel these days. |
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| 19:55.31 | pibe | while you r installing it |
| 19:55.46 | Conic | Hm. I guess I'll have to go the custom CD route. |
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| 20:03.01 | Conic | Anyone want to help me? |
| 20:03.12 | Conic | I have a problem with the kernel version of Lenny. |
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| 20:03.26 | Conic | I need at least 26.29.1 |
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| 20:06.44 | nkuttler | Conic: build a time machine? |
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| 20:06.56 | Conic | Oh wait |
| 20:07.01 | Conic | I typed that wrong |
| 20:07.01 | nkuttler | !tell Conic about kp |
| 20:07.02 | Conic | heh |
| 20:07.10 | ComradeHaz | loool nkuttler :DDDDD |
| 20:07.13 | Conic | I meant 2.6.29.1 |
| 20:07.17 | nkuttler | !lol |
| 20:07.17 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 20:07.41 | ComradeHaz | :) |
| 20:07.45 | nkuttler | hehe |
| 20:07.48 | greycat | nkuttler: he wants to *install* with a 2.6.29.1 kernel because he claims his machine can't boot from 2.6.26 |
| 20:07.50 | ComradeHaz | so true |
| 20:07.58 | nkuttler | ouch |
| 20:08.17 | ComradeHaz | hmm |
| 20:08.21 | ComradeHaz | well |
| 20:08.22 | nkuttler | Conic: i guess you need to read the install guide then |
| 20:08.31 | ComradeHaz | put the hdd in another machine then |
| 20:08.34 | ComradeHaz | :) |
| 20:08.46 | Conic | All of the guides I found need Debian installed already |
| 20:08.54 | ComradeHaz | or boot from live cd and mount |
| 20:09.11 | ComradeHaz | yeah Conic, have you got another machine? |
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| 20:09.17 | larcen_ | hi all |
| 20:09.19 | ComradeHaz | if so, just get it installed on there and upgrade |
| 20:09.30 | ComradeHaz | then swap it back into the machine you want it in |
| 20:09.33 | Conic | I'm on my "emergency" Ubuntu installation right now. Is that close enough? |
| 20:09.39 | ComradeHaz | linux only cares about architecture |
| 20:09.41 | nkuttler | Conic: debootstrap |
| 20:09.53 | nkuttler | Conic: or build your own install cd... |
| 20:10.05 | nkuttler | Conic: that either in the install guide or you can google it |
| 20:10.06 | ComradeHaz | well, you should be abkle to mount the other install from there and upgrade the kernel somehow |
| 20:10.08 | Conic | That's what I was trying to do. Will it work on Ubuntu, since it's based on Debian? |
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| 20:10.34 | nkuttler | !tell conic about debootstrap |
| 20:10.34 | greycat | nkuttler: is there a "how to build your own lenny install CD" guide? |
| 20:10.47 | nkuttler | greycat: i vaguely remember seeing such a thing |
| 20:10.52 | nkuttler | ... |
| 20:10.52 | greycat | maybe the debootstrap stuff will work. worth trying. |
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| 20:11.00 | patrikf | greycat: I think debian-live can create install cds as well |
| 20:11.05 | etchPRSN | so... debootstrap is mainly for online downloading ? |
| 20:11.08 | patrikf | er, live-helper |
| 20:11.34 | larcen_ | i have just instaled in Sid the Nvidia module using m-a a-i nvidia. The command runs ok, but the X server doesn't start. It give me 3 errors: (EE) Failed to load module "Freetype" (Module does not exist, 0) (EE) Failed to load module "Nvidia" (Module does not exist, 0) (EE) No devices detected. I run lsmod and the nvidia module isn't loaded. Can anyone help me?? |
| 20:11.43 | Conic | All I need is a netinstall disk with the latest kernel. |
| 20:11.58 | adb | but why ? |
| 20:12.05 | patrikf | etchPRSN: debootstrap is a way to install debian from an existing linux system, without the need for bootable media |
| 20:12.06 | Conic | My machine can't boot from older kernels. |
| 20:12.14 | Conic | Any Linux system will do? |
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| 20:12.41 | adb | Conic: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 20:12.49 | ComradeHaz | larcen_: dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf |
| 20:13.01 | ComradeHaz | larcen_: or you may need to manually fiddle with it |
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| 20:13.10 | ComradeHaz | uh |
| 20:13.15 | Conic | http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/simple-cdd.html <-- Am I on the right track? |
| 20:13.16 | nkuttler | !custom netinst |
| 20:13.16 | dpkg | custom netinst is probably http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ http://wiki.debian.org/?DebianCustomCD see <kmuto> |
| 20:13.40 | etchPRSN | patrikf hmmm... which is more what I originally thot... so, can I debootstrap from a set of CDs (such as an old Sarge set ?) |
| 20:13.41 | larcen_ | i have and old xorg.conf from testing and it worked |
| 20:13.55 | ComradeHaz | sorry, larcen_ not .conf |
| 20:14.03 | ComradeHaz | yeah |
| 20:14.06 | patrikf | etchPRSN: yes, I think so |
| 20:14.11 | ComradeHaz | so you need to get the xorg written right |
| 20:14.57 | greycat | The http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel one looks promising. |
| 20:15.00 | greycat | And it even loads. |
| 20:15.00 | Pupuser402-1 | I tryed to install debian for the first time today, the installation went fine until the end.... it installed the grub in my usb... then I cant get in to debian, I used Unetbootin to get the debian installation program. any ideas how to get it installed without a cd drive? |
| 20:15.18 | nkuttler | yeah, that factoid is a little outdated |
| 20:15.28 | larcen_ | ComradeHaz, i dont understand |
| 20:15.31 | ComradeHaz | larcen_: mine's at http://haz.red-army.org.uk/xorg.conf |
| 20:15.44 | larcen_ | sorry if im a little slow but im spanish |
| 20:16.06 | ComradeHaz | it's ok, all I'm saying is the problem probably is with your xorg.conf |
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| 20:16.36 | ComradeHaz | I'm fairly noob, but compare yours to mine as I too use nvidia-glx |
| 20:17.07 | larcen_ | but its the same xorg.conf i have used in etch, lenny and squeeze...and it always works fine |
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| 20:17.26 | Conic | Will the new kernel be in 5.1 or will I have to wait for squeeze? |
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| 20:17.48 | larcen_ | i think the problem its that de module is not load...i cant see it running lsmod command |
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| 20:18.59 | nkuttler | Conic: tryhttp://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
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| 20:19.35 | jamon | Pupuser402-1: can you boot the usb again and use that grub to point at your hard drive? |
| 20:19.36 | pyrohotdog | alsarestore fails every boot, so I have to run alsaconf everytime. How do I fix this? |
| 20:19.51 | Pupuser402-1 | how do i do that? |
| 20:20.18 | jamon | Pupuser402-1: boot the usb stick, since it has grub |
| 20:20.22 | Conic | nkuttler: do I need a working Debian installation to do that? |
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| 20:20.34 | jamon | then either go through the install again, or if the grub menu has an option, boot your hard drive |
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| 20:21.04 | larcen_ | may be the problem is that i haven't installed the packet nvidia-glx... |
| 20:21.05 | nkuttler | Conic: no idea. maybe debian-based is enough |
| 20:21.14 | nkuttler | Conic: anyway, debootstrap should work |
| 20:21.28 | ComradeHaz | ih right larcen_, sorry |
| 20:21.41 | ComradeHaz | so is it deffinately installing without error? |
| 20:21.43 | Conic | So I make a partition, install any Linux on it, and debootstrap Debian into it? |
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| 20:22.05 | larcen_ | im on it... |
| 20:22.07 | nkuttler | Conic: that's the idea |
| 20:22.17 | larcen_ | give me a second please |
| 20:23.03 | Conic | Okay. |
| 20:23.26 | nkuttler | Conic: you'll probably have to chroot and install the kernel you need though |
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| 20:23.39 | nkuttler | Conic: maybe even build it yourself, but that should be possible |
| 20:23.42 | pibe | hello |
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| 20:25.11 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: which version of debian ? |
| 20:25.37 | pyrohotdog | abrotman: 5 |
| 20:25.50 | abrotman | just making sure |
| 20:26.37 | pyrohotdog | Why does alsarestore fail every boot? Alsaconf runs and everything works fine. |
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| 20:26.52 | larcen_ | ComradeHaz now it load the nvidia module...but not the freetype one... what is this module?? Im going to edit my xorg.conf to delete the line that loads this module |
| 20:27.13 | ComradeHaz | I'm not sure what freetype is tbh |
| 20:27.14 | ComradeHaz | well |
| 20:27.17 | ComradeHaz | I know what it is |
| 20:27.25 | greycat | it's got something to do with fonts. |
| 20:27.29 | greycat | that's about all I know... |
| 20:27.32 | ComradeHaz | not ever thought about it in the xorg sense though |
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| 20:30.40 | larcen_ | i delete the line and running /etc/init.d/gdm restart it crashes again |
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| 20:31.04 | ComradeHaz | :S |
| 20:31.10 | larcen_ | this time only show me one error: "(EE) no devices detected" |
| 20:31.12 | ComradeHaz | dunno :( |
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| 20:31.57 | larcen_ | im going to restart the system... |
| 20:33.15 | pyrohotdog | I just installed 5.0.1 with LVM and encryption, installing went fine, rebooted, now I just get a grub prompt?! |
| 20:33.40 | greycat | grub should boot the default kernel after 5 seconds or so |
| 20:33.46 | greycat | unless you pressed a key |
| 20:33.53 | larcen_ | ComradeHaz i have the same error: "(EE) no devices detected" and after "Fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 20:34.29 | larcen_ | know im starting thinking that the problem could be in the xorg.conf |
| 20:34.42 | nkuttler | pyrohotdog: grub can't read the encrypted /boot ? |
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| 20:35.08 | Conic | Does build-simple-cdd automatically give me the latest everything? |
| 20:35.17 | pyrohotdog | nkuttler: should the installer have set that up? |
| 20:35.34 | nkuttler | pyrohotdog: i never did a crypted install |
| 20:35.37 | pyrohotdog | greycat: I didn't press any keys, and it just stays at the grub prompt |
| 20:35.41 | pasky | Hi, in order to have my iptables rules persistent, do I really have to do something hackish like http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/445 ? Is there no more "debian-native" solution? |
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| 20:36.42 | greycat | pasky: actually the recommendation is to edit /etc/network/interfaces and put the "up iptables --restore < ... " command on the eth0 stanza (assuming you have an eth0) |
| 20:36.57 | greycat | or iptables-restore or whatever it is |
| 20:37.10 | stew | (i still say use pre-up instead of up) |
| 20:37.29 | greycat | whatever |
| 20:37.40 | nkuttler | pre-up fw rules? that works? |
| 20:37.44 | stew | yes |
| 20:37.46 | nkuttler | ok |
| 20:37.57 | pasky | ah, ok, thanks |
| 20:38.08 | pasky | (gentoo has /etc/init.d/iptables ;) |
| 20:38.10 | stew | post-up there is a theoretical race |
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| 20:38.27 | Chaker | coucou les juifs |
| 20:38.29 | stew | pasky: yes, debian did a long time ago, but that is a worse solution, security wise |
| 20:38.39 | nkuttler | Chaker: do you have a debian question? |
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| 20:39.37 | pyrohotdog | Okay well does anyone know how to boot my new system? |
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| 20:40.10 | nkuttler | pyrohotdog: isn't it explained in the install guide how to boot lvm + encrypted? |
| 20:40.13 | greycat | Does grub give you a list of kernels? |
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| 20:40.38 | giusef | Hi, where can I put a script to run at boot time? |
| 20:40.44 | greycat | giusef: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 20:40.53 | giusef | ok thx |
| 20:40.56 | pyrohotdog | No, just a brief list of commands and a prompt. |
| 20:41.03 | dondelelcaro | !run at startup |
| 20:41.03 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 20:41.21 | greycat | pyrohotdog: then it sounds like grub can't read the /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:42.25 | pyrohotdog | okay...how do I fix it? |
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| 20:47.07 | tom_de_tom | i do dpkg -l and i can see wordpress as package |
| 20:47.38 | tom_de_tom | so i do aptitude remove wordpress and it says its compelte but its still there |
| 20:47.40 | tom_de_tom | what am i doing wrong? |
| 20:47.42 | tom_de_tom | . |
| 20:47.43 | tom_de_tom | hi can someone help |
| 20:47.45 | tom_de_tom | i cant log in roubcube syaing connection to imap failed |
| 20:47.46 | tom_de_tom | and the mail logs show this |
| 20:47.48 | tom_de_tom | stopping authdaemond children |
| 20:47.56 | greycat | what the fuck? |
| 20:47.58 | tom_de_tom | can some help please? |
| 20:48.36 | stew | tom_de_tom: what do you mean by "still there" |
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| 20:49.35 | Hydroxide | tom_de_tom: use a pastebot service like http://paste.debian.net/ and paste into it the output of dpkg -l wordpress, and give us the link |
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| 20:53.22 | jZA | how do i make a debian package? thx |
| 20:54.20 | stew | jZA: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 20:54.24 | Hydroxide | jZA: go to http://www.debian.org/devel and look at the New Maintainer's Guide |
| 20:54.34 | Hydroxide | stew: jinx! |
| 20:54.57 | stew | now I'm remembering that I have to get a printer working |
| 20:55.01 | stew | as Hydroxide reminds me :) |
| 20:56.10 | Conic | If I somehow get Debian to boot, I could get the latest kernel from the update manager, correct? |
| 20:56.43 | stew | Conic: what version of debian are you trying to boot? what kernel do you need? |
| 20:57.13 | Conic | Lenny. =< 2.6.29.1 |
| 20:57.17 | jZA | ok, so i need a mentor to get the package in the archive right? |
| 20:57.24 | jZA | how do i get a mentor? |
| 20:57.38 | dondelelcaro | jZA: you need a sponsor, actually. |
| 20:57.43 | Conic | I guess I'll try, anyway |
| 20:57.45 | stew | Conic: lenny would come with the latest 2.6.26 kernel |
| 20:57.54 | Conic | 29 |
| 20:58.02 | nkuttler | jZA: i guess you want /msg dpkg nmg |
| 20:58.02 | jZA | ok how do i get a sponsor :) |
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| 20:58.25 | Conic | 26 doesn't like my machine. |
| 20:58.25 | dondelelcaro | jZA: the new maintainers guide explains it slihgtly; but basically, once you've packaged something, post a request for sponsor on debian-mentors@lists.debian.org |
| 20:58.26 | stew | Conic: lenny does not come with a 2.6.29 kernel. and after you get lenny working, 2.6.29 would not be readily available |
| 20:58.42 | stew | Conic: see /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 20:58.47 | Conic | Hm. What do I do, then? |
| 20:58.52 | dondelelcaro | jZA: though I'd strongly sugest assisting with existing packages in Debian that you use that need more maintainers |
| 20:58.52 | Conic | I tried custom CDs already. |
| 20:59.09 | stew | Conic: "/msg dpkg kmuto" would tell you how to get an installer with a 2.6.28 kernel |
| 20:59.10 | dondelelcaro | jZA: that's often the best way to get involved |
| 21:00.27 | sema4r | is there a way to reduce the number of consolekit instances (and can i safely do that) ? |
| 21:00.33 | gravity | jZA: Note that you don't need anyone's help to package something for yourself and put it in your own repository. |
| 21:00.37 | jZA | I'm the author of some software that has windows packages and ubuntu packages, but no debian yet. so i just want to know how to make a simple debian package, that's all. I'm not interested in debian development |
| 21:01.04 | gravity | jZA: The new maintainer's guide tells you how to do that. |
| 21:01.21 | gravity | jZA: You just won't worry about actually getting the package in to Debian |
| 21:02.05 | jZA | so I might as well leave things as they are and ask debian ppl the rtfm and compile the codem themselves? :) |
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| 21:02.24 | Conic | Yay, thanks, stew ! |
| 21:02.57 | Conic | ...Except not really up to date |
| 21:03.02 | gravity | jZA: That totally depends on you really. The ubuntu package can probably be used almost identically to the debian one. |
| 21:03.03 | jZA | then it's no use for me to make debian packages, if ppl cant do apt-get install bla |
| 21:03.06 | gravity | jZA: It's the same format. |
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| 21:03.50 | jZA | yes, I'm on sid myself for some 10 years or so, ubuntu packages may look the same, but they are incompatible |
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| 21:04.25 | dondelelcaro | jZA: depends on the package; most of them can be used with possibly just a recompile. |
| 21:04.27 | jZA | so asking debian users to install ubuntu packages is going to lead to a broken system imho |
| 21:05.09 | xaashi | hi i wanted to know if someone could help me a little issue |
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| 21:05.17 | nsadmin | so I'm considering buying an ebook which is available as an eb20... does debian have anything that can either read or convert these eb20 things into pdfs? |
| 21:05.21 | jZA | if they can use it "only with a recompile" then they can compile the code themselves right away, cant they :) |
| 21:05.23 | sneezewort | When I ssh from my Debian etch 32 bit system to my Debian lenny 64 bit system It hangs for about 13 seconds. |
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| 21:05.47 | sneezewort | Any Ideas as to how to troubleshoot? |
| 21:06.00 | xaashi | how can i identify with device a moduke creates i.e. wlan0 is the result of loading ath5k |
| 21:06.08 | nkuttler | sneezewort: ssh -vvv? |
| 21:06.25 | themill | jZA: recompiling a debian package is trivial and someone else has already worked out the dependencies for you which is quite nice. |
| 21:06.28 | nsadmin | sneezewort: this in an internal net? run a dns server that does both forward and reverse dns |
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| 21:06.42 | themill | jZA: anyway, what is this package? Do tell! |
| 21:06.59 | Conic | Oh yeah |
| 21:07.05 | Conic | Newer SATA devices, that's me |
| 21:07.18 | jZA | mudlet.sf.net |
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| 21:07.55 | themill | Just what we need.... another mud client! :P |
| 21:08.11 | jZA | it's not another, it's the best |
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| 21:08.22 | themill | hehe |
| 21:08.26 | nsadmin | hyperbollocks! |
| 21:08.28 | jZA | no hehe |
| 21:08.54 | nsadmin | well build the packaging then |
| 21:10.03 | nsadmin | if there's already a package and someone to tend it thru the upgrading of its dependencies, that at least makes it available |
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| 21:11.01 | sneezewort | nsadmin: You were right! I added the server to the hosts file and now it connects very fast! Thanks! |
| 21:11.36 | nsadmin | another satisfied customer! tips welcome. |
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| 21:12.05 | FFForever | how can i run blah.sh on boot well at the end of boot |
| 21:12.40 | nsadmin | you could look into /etc/init.d and update-rc.d |
| 21:12.51 | nsadmin | you could look into rc.local |
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| 21:21.23 | sigma957 | problem with install, just start the install and it stops, no error msg at 'io scheduler cfq registered', lenny new installer, cd works, new computer |
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| 21:22.08 | stew | prefrontal: please don't do that |
| 21:22.12 | stew | err |
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| 21:22.22 | stew | pimpinjg_: please don't do that |
| 21:22.23 | charitwo | pimpinjg_ |
| 21:22.26 | stew | prefrontal: (ignore me) |
| 21:22.28 | pimpinjg_ | was mass |
| 21:22.29 | pimpinjg_ | sorry |
| 21:22.32 | pimpinjg_ | clicked wrong button |
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| 21:23.18 | sigma957 | rescue doesn't even get that far. i tried xp (shudder) and it worked. everything is recognized in bootup |
| 21:24.16 | sigma957 | anyone have any ideas why this is happening? |
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| 21:25.24 | l_r | hello |
| 21:25.27 | l_r | what usually happens when two hosts claim the same hostname to the dhcp server. what will their public dns hostname be in this case? |
| 21:25.52 | nsadmin | the dhcp will see it's taken |
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| 21:26.11 | mshadle | can someone here dcc me their sources.list for squeeze/sid ? |
| 21:26.14 | l_r | nsadmin, will it give an alternative name to second host? |
| 21:26.25 | mshadle | i had to do an install without network access and it didnt set any stubs up for me :( |
| 21:26.35 | nsadmin | not sure it will give a name, it'll give an ip |
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| 21:27.05 | nsadmin | and that would also depend on how the dhcp is configured |
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| 21:27.36 | sigma957 | anyone able to help with an install problem? |
| 21:27.49 | nsadmin | no one will know without details |
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| 21:27.56 | sigma957 | problem with install, just start the install and it stops, no error msg at 'io scheduler cfq registered', lenny new installer, cd works, new computer |
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| 21:28.06 | DoubleRx2 | how can I find out which processes cause waits on the CPU? |
| 21:28.12 | wwwAndy | top? |
| 21:28.20 | DoubleRx2 | and then |
| 21:28.27 | nsadmin | read it? |
| 21:28.50 | nsadmin | start with man ps |
| 21:29.16 | nsadmin | you're looking for how waits are displayed |
| 21:29.21 | DoubleRx2 | S ;) |
| 21:29.35 | sigma957 | doesn't matter regular or graphical install, it just stops. I have to power down to reboot |
| 21:29.59 | nsadmin | DoubleRx2: be happy... don't go there... I'll just POL |
| 21:30.02 | adb | sigma957: try http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 21:30.23 | nsadmin | err PAL |
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| 21:31.08 | visof | hello |
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| 21:31.34 | sigma957 | adb: you think it's the standard installer that |
| 21:31.46 | adb | yes |
| 21:31.49 | sigma957 | adb: installer that's at fault? |
| 21:32.02 | nsadmin | (be happy I didn't say "...and then look at the screen, you know, the rectangular thing") |
| 21:32.09 | sigma957 | adb: ok I'll give it a try. thanks |
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| 21:34.29 | DoubleRx2 | What's POL? Poop on Lawn? |
| 21:34.34 | DoubleRx2 | Anyway, thanx |
| 21:34.54 | nsadmin | sure, no problem :) |
| 21:34.59 | sigma957 | okay one other question, can i use the i386 image or since I have an amd64, do i have to use an amd64 image, even though I don't plan on running 64 bit? |
| 21:35.26 | nsadmin | POL was a mistake, meant PAL |
| 21:35.45 | adb | sure , i386 |
| 21:36.01 | sigma957 | adb: thanks |
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| 21:36.09 | DoubleRx2 | :)) |
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| 21:36.44 | PingFloyd | What's PAL? Painful Anal Loving? |
| 21:36.46 | nsadmin | sigma957: in fact choose wisely here... it's NOT easy to go from one to the other, unless you find complete reinstalls easy |
| 21:37.05 | DoubleRx2 | ah! PAL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pal_the_Wonder_Dog |
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| 21:37.18 | nsadmin | Sheesh. Point And Laugh. okie? :) |
| 21:37.29 | Ace2017_- | ever since the last update xorg is constantly maxing out one core, and i have no idea what is behind it |
| 21:38.09 | DoubleRx2 | Had too much to drink. I'm not in the state to solve problems at all, but I'm trying. |
| 21:38.16 | PingFloyd | that's seems to be xorg for you, ever now and then a version goes ape shit |
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| 21:39.17 | PingFloyd | Ace2017_-: have you tried loading a different video driver to see if that has any effect? |
| 21:39.25 | nsadmin | DoubleRx2: well don't worry about it too much... just be aware you might have to take up some of the slack |
| 21:39.41 | PingFloyd | Ace2017_-: one time, with one version, my cpu with xorg maxxed out because the video driver in that version was real buggy |
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| 21:39.44 | Ace2017_- | well it was fine until i updated to the new kernel in sid, i think i'll restart back to the older one |
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| 21:40.04 | PingFloyd | Ace2017_-: just the kernel was updated? |
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| 21:40.09 | Ace2017_- | yes |
| 21:40.15 | Ace2017_- | the video driver version was kept the same |
| 21:40.18 | DoubleRx2 | hm, the guys on #centos couldn't help me; I'm struggling with connecting to an iscsi target; iscsiadm discovery just quits and when I run strace on iscsiadm i get a broken pipe error -- does anyone have an idea of what could cause that? |
| 21:40.23 | Ace2017_- | oh wait i did a full-upgrade too |
| 21:40.31 | PingFloyd | Ace2017_-: if you're running sid, it could be all sorts of things |
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| 21:40.44 | nsadmin | DoubleRx2: O |
| 21:40.46 | nsadmin | err |
| 21:40.47 | mshadle | can someone here dcc me their sources.list for squeeze/sid ? |
| 21:40.53 | PingFloyd | Ace2017_-: if you update at the wrong moment with sid, the dependencies can be all screwed up |
| 21:40.58 | nsadmin | I'm not personally familiar with iscsi |
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| 21:41.20 | adb | !tell mshadle about sources.list |
| 21:41.24 | Ace2017_- | PingFloyd: aptitude manages the deps, how can they break? |
| 21:41.26 | nsadmin | DoubleRx2 I'm not personally familiar with iscsi |
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| 21:41.34 | mshadle | ah, thanks. |
| 21:41.38 | PingFloyd | Ace2017_-: then you can bet some dependencies were reworked |
| 21:41.39 | adb | npp |
| 21:41.47 | nsadmin | but many others here are very likely to be |
| 21:41.47 | PingFloyd | Ace2017_-: because they haven't updated some of them yet |
| 21:42.08 | Ace2017_- | oh yea |
| 21:42.12 | nsadmin | so I'm considering buying an ebook which is available as an eb20... does debian have anything that can either read or convert these eb20 things into pdfs? |
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| 21:42.21 | PingFloyd | Ace2017_-: that's how sid is, sometimes there will be some packages that are dependencies of other ones, that were updated in the repo, that aren't there yet |
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| 21:43.28 | Hodapp | WTF is eb20? |
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| 21:43.29 | hepta | if i write more than mtu on a udp socket, may i assume fragmentation and reassembly is done by the ip stack so that i can read and get the whole size at the other end? |
| 21:43.29 | foetus | evening (MEZ), what is the right ending of an shell script - 'exit' or 'exit 0' ? |
| 21:43.29 | PingFloyd | Ace2017_-: for instance say pkg C depend on A and B. They update C, but haven't updated B yet etc... |
| 21:43.39 | Ace2017_- | PingFloyd: yes i realised how it could happen |
| 21:43.45 | wwwAndy | !tell wwwAndy about sources.list |
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| 21:43.56 | PingFloyd | Ace2017_-: sometimes, with sid, it is just a matter of doing an update again later |
| 21:44.05 | PingFloyd | Ace2017_-: after things settle down a bit on the repo |
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| 21:45.20 | samael | hello |
| 21:45.27 | Ace2017_- | hi |
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| 21:45.45 | samael | I have a 2.2.3-4 apache installation on debian sid, running for a long time. an ssl cert (from cacert.org) is expired. just renewed it and the apache2 reload silently dies. any idea? |
| 21:46.27 | kmindi | Hi, is there a way to reassaign a tty to a process that was started with & and I closed the shell it was started in? |
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| 21:47.16 | kmindi | or an other way to get it on any shell |
| 21:47.20 | kmindi | jobs is not working |
| 21:47.29 | \amethyst | kmindi: there is not |
| 21:47.48 | \amethyst | kmindi: in the future you can run things under screen and detach the screen instead of closing the shell |
| 21:48.12 | samael | kmindi: just use screen(1) the next time |
| 21:48.19 | kmindi | I used screeen |
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| 21:48.27 | PingFloyd | then just reattach |
| 21:48.29 | PingFloyd | screen -r |
| 21:48.36 | foetus | ok, problem solved :) |
| 21:49.07 | \amethyst | that doesn't help if you close the screen instead of detaching it |
| 21:49.28 | PingFloyd | in those cases try screen -d -r |
| 21:49.34 | kmindi | I am in screen and closed a virtual shell there |
| 21:50.29 | PingFloyd | kmindi: there's a bunch of things you can try to detach/reattach it |
| 21:50.37 | PingFloyd | kmindi: reference man screen |
| 21:50.49 | kmindi | in the screen session i had a shell open, in that i started mencoder with the & at the end , and then I closed that shell with CTRL+a k |
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| 21:51.16 | kmindi | i am in that screen session, already detached and reatached it |
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| 21:53.35 | Zambezi | Can I follow this tutorial in Debian? 5th row seems like impossible. It's there I'm stuck. http://wiki.flashtux.org/wiki/WeeChat/irc-otr |
| 21:54.05 | zinx | install it :/ |
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| 21:54.54 | kmindi | no idea anyone |
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| 21:58.33 | Zambezi | zinx: Me? I'm not sure works without git. |
| 21:58.37 | SirTophat | sorry for easy question but where was the dir of drives to be mounted |
| 21:58.39 | SirTophat | fdisk or something |
| 21:59.15 | twolane | kmindi: ctrl+a+k kills the session. use ctrl+a+d |
| 21:59.30 | SirTophat | I can't remember anything about debian barely for some reason |
| 21:59.49 | kmindi | twolane: yes I know, but the process is there |
| 22:00.01 | sigma957 | adb: thanks, the install is working! |
| 22:00.11 | kmindi | I cant use ctrl a d now , becaus it is not anylonger in screen |
| 22:00.12 | SirTophat | !dpkg mount |
| 22:00.12 | dpkg | i heard mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem |
| 22:00.33 | adb | np |
| 22:00.39 | SirTophat | oh yeah fstab |
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| 22:01.25 | PingFloyd | kmindi: check and make sure the process is still running first, and may sure you reattached the correct screen session you think you did |
| 22:01.36 | SirTophat | where is fstab supposed to be, /etc? |
| 22:01.43 | kmindi | hmm ok now the enconding has finished, process is not anymore there |
| 22:01.55 | kmindi | PingFloyd: already checked |
| 22:02.01 | kmindi | process was running |
| 22:02.11 | kmindi | there was only one screen session |
| 22:02.11 | PingFloyd | was or is? |
| 22:02.18 | SirTophat | I know I had some special thing installed for ntfs read/write. what could it have been |
| 22:02.29 | kmindi | and in that screen session a killed a window in that i started the mencoder with & at the end |
| 22:02.36 | kmindi | so mencoder continued to run |
| 22:02.45 | PingFloyd | did you check will ps? |
| 22:02.46 | kmindi | was, now it has finished |
| 22:02.50 | PingFloyd | *with |
| 22:02.55 | kmindi | yes i did it with top ps and htop |
| 22:03.08 | PingFloyd | if it is finished then it is done |
| 22:03.19 | kmindi | I know |
| 22:03.21 | PingFloyd | nothing to being to foreground at that point |
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| 22:03.29 | PingFloyd | *bring |
| 22:04.13 | PingFloyd | I've noticed with some versions of screen it is good luck bringing back the session if you didn't detach properly |
| 22:04.15 | kmindi | lets start all over agin, |
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| 22:04.28 | kmindi | it had noting to do with detaching |
| 22:04.31 | PingFloyd | most version I usually had luck with though |
| 22:05.01 | r121 | which package contains the gksudo/gksu command? |
| 22:05.11 | PingFloyd | you ran mencoder in the screen session and then killed/closed the hosting term itself right |
| 22:05.32 | kmindi | well, first I started a new screen session, with one new virtual shell, in that shell i started rtorrent, then I opened anoter shell (of course in screen) there I started mencoder with the & at the end |
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| 22:05.49 | kmindi | then I killed that second virtual shell |
| 22:05.52 | r121 | nevermind, found it |
| 22:06.05 | PingFloyd | kmindi: the one hosting the screen session of mencoder & right |
| 22:06.14 | kmindi | and mencoder continued to run as thought becaus I said it should with the & |
| 22:06.44 | kmindi | and my question was then, how can I see the output of mencoder again |
| 22:07.12 | PingFloyd | kmindi: that mencoder process has to still be running and then would reattach, then bring it to the foreground |
| 22:07.45 | kmindi | yes it was running when I tried to bring it to the front |
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| 22:09.21 | PingFloyd | was mencoder & ran from a different or same screen session as the first one? |
| 22:09.26 | kmindi | ok I will tjy to reproduce it now |
| 22:09.38 | kmindi | same screen session |
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| 22:09.42 | kmindi | there was only one all time |
| 22:09.55 | PingFloyd | i.e. did you do a ctrl+a c or did you start screen |
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| 22:10.03 | kmindi | in that screen session i had opened 2 shells (ctrl a +c |
| 22:10.11 | PingFloyd | ok |
| 22:10.17 | SirTophat | hey, in fdisk, how can I delete a partition |
| 22:10.21 | SirTophat | nevermind forgot about man |
| 22:10.43 | PingFloyd | then after you reattach, you should be able to ctrl+a (n|p) to go through the different windows in the screen session |
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| 22:11.00 | kmindi | PingFloyd: I will start a new mencoder now with the & at the end |
| 22:11.23 | PingFloyd | kmindi: did you try going through the different windows in that screen session? |
| 22:11.42 | kmindi | PingFloyd: then I will kill that window (in the screen session, so it will not destroy the screen session because there is anoter "window" opened in that session) |
| 22:11.53 | kmindi | so |
| 22:11.55 | kmindi | now |
| 22:11.59 | kmindi | I should do what? |
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| 22:12.24 | PingFloyd | kmindi: if you kill the screen windows itself, you're not going to be able to bring that one back |
| 22:12.25 | kmindi | there is now only one window in screen |
| 22:12.43 | kmindi | the second one was killed seconds ago after the command was started with the & at the end |
| 22:12.49 | Elite | Hey guys |
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| 22:12.51 | PingFloyd | kmindi: if you're killing the term, then you can probably bring it back since that window is still alive in the screen session |
| 22:12.57 | SirTophat | http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?s=2fd6c696b3b1d492f1096f35f55d65b5&threadid=93059&highlight=fdisk I'm trieng to follow this. doing a more command gives me unreadable stuff |
| 22:13.06 | kmindi | PingFloyd: |
| 22:13.07 | kmindi | ok |
| 22:13.11 | kmindi | and how can i do that |
| 22:13.29 | cshore | screen -r |
| 22:13.39 | kmindi | while in screen? |
| 22:13.45 | Elite | When I tried to install Debian 4.0 I got an error saying that the installer could not detect any LAN card what could the issue be? |
| 22:13.52 | kmindi | I am in the screen session |
| 22:14.01 | cshore | and you want to bring back a session? |
| 22:14.07 | kmindi | I just closed the window in that I started the command |
| 22:14.15 | kmindi | I want to bring back a process |
| 22:14.21 | cshore | then screen -r will show you the current detached screens |
| 22:14.24 | kmindi | so that I can see the output |
| 22:14.29 | PingFloyd | for instance, if you do screen; ^a c; run your command & ; close the term. You'll be able to bring back in theory, but if you do screen; ^a c; command &; exit you won't |
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| 22:15.07 | PingFloyd | because that second screen windows is gone since it was closed |
| 22:15.07 | kmindi | whats the difference? |
| 22:15.15 | kmindi | I close that window with Ctrl a+K |
| 22:15.22 | kmindi | yes I know |
| 22:15.25 | cshore | Oh, that will would kill the window |
| 22:15.27 | PingFloyd | kmindi: screen just keeps the session running independent of your consoles/terms |
| 22:15.30 | kmindi | only the process is there |
| 22:15.39 | cshore | To detach ^A d |
| 22:15.40 | kmindi | PingFloyd: yes I know |
| 22:15.46 | Ace2017_- | is screen multiplayer? |
| 22:15.51 | PingFloyd | kmindi: but what you close with screen is gone, whereas what you close as far as terms/consoles themselves, is not |
| 22:15.52 | Elite | Anyone have an idea? |
| 22:15.58 | kmindi | PingFloyd: /me never said I could handle it with screen |
| 22:16.03 | Ace2017_- | can two people send input to it at the same time? so if i type hi, the other user can see it |
| 22:16.15 | kmindi | but the process is there |
| 22:16.18 | kmindi | running |
| 22:16.31 | PingFloyd | kmindi: a few questions |
| 22:16.33 | Ace2017_- | can screen do that? allow multiple people to use it? |
| 22:16.38 | kmindi | it just has no console to put the output on |
| 22:16.47 | kmindi | yes question me ;) |
| 22:16.50 | PingFloyd | kmindi: did you keep the screen-windows alive that you invoked mencode & from? |
| 22:16.58 | twolane | Ace2017_-: yes, screen -x = multi-user mode |
| 22:17.00 | Elite | Ace2017_-: yes it is |
| 22:17.25 | kmindi | no!, i closed the one I started mencoder in, with the command ctrl+a + shift+k |
| 22:17.50 | kmindi | (then I get to the last window, which is rtorrent at the moment) |
| 22:17.53 | PingFloyd | kmindi: I think you're SOL in that case then |
| 22:18.00 | kmindi | SOL? |
| 22:18.08 | PingFloyd | kmindi: because the hosting screen windows itself was closed |
| 22:18.08 | cshore | kmindi: Thinks of it this way, if you close the xterm, screen is still alive, if you exit screen (exit the last shell screen has open, or kill the window with ^A k), then screen is gone |
| 22:18.19 | Elite | Shit outta luck lol |
| 22:18.52 | kmindi | so there is no way to get that background process back to the "front" |
| 22:18.55 | kmindi | it is just there |
| 22:18.55 | SirTophat | I'm trieng to use more on /dev/sda, and it gives unreasable characters. http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?s=2fd6c696b3b1d492f1096f35f55d65b5&threadid=93059&highlight=fdisk sais to do it to see if my ipod is in there |
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| 22:19.07 | SirTophat | can anyone help me with this, I can't get it .-. |
| 22:19.15 | PingFloyd | kmindi: kill the console/term itself. You're find, kill screen(or it's windows in the screen session), it is gone. |
| 22:19.23 | PingFloyd | s/find/fine |
| 22:19.33 | cshore | If you detached by closing the xterm or using ^A d you can bring back a session with screen -r |
| 22:19.39 | SirTophat | ??? |
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| 22:19.54 | jetpda | ask |
| 22:19.55 | kmindi | cshore: yes of course, but the process is not anymore in that session |
| 22:20.07 | SirTophat | brb |
| 22:20.27 | kmindi | becaus I closed the shell/xterm/window of screen and with that the process is gone to background (becaus of the &) |
| 22:20.44 | kmindi | ok lets try this without screen |
| 22:20.51 | cshore | kmindi: But the shell is still active and you can bring it to foreground with fg |
| 22:20.52 | jetpda | fg |
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| 22:21.15 | kmindi | no i cant |
| 22:21.15 | PingFloyd | the bottom line is that if the shell session is still alive, you can bring it back |
| 22:21.18 | kmindi | already tried |
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| 22:21.25 | PingFloyd | screen is what keeps the shell session alive after you close the term |
| 22:22.03 | SirTophat | k |
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| 22:22.15 | SirTophat | nobody can help me with this problem with more? |
| 22:22.17 | PingFloyd | if screen (or the screen window itself) is close, the shell session is closed |
| 22:22.26 | cshore | ps aux|grep command name - is the command still running |
| 22:22.38 | kmindi | YES it is |
| 22:22.40 | adb | kmindi: try #screen |
| 22:22.41 | kmindi | shure it is |
| 22:23.05 | Ace2017_- | twolane: so can the two users type at the same time? |
| 22:23.11 | cshore | But you didn't ^A k right? |
| 22:23.15 | Ace2017_- | or does it have a strict user and observer mode? |
| 22:23.20 | kmindi | cshore: yes i did |
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| 22:23.27 | kmindi | but already said that |
| 22:23.35 | cshore | Oh, well then you're out of luck |
| 22:23.40 | kmindi | I will try the same thing now without screen |
| 22:23.41 | PingFloyd | you're SOL then |
| 22:23.43 | cshore | You have to detach not kill screen |
| 22:23.48 | kmindi | it has nothing to do with screen |
| 22:23.48 | wrench | I read the man page but I'm still not 100% sure i understand what fakeroot does. Can someone help explain? |
| 22:23.57 | Ace2017_- | so if you hacked someone you could install screen on their system and chat to them? ctrl+c their commands? |
| 22:24.00 | Ace2017_- | that sounds fun |
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| 22:25.05 | cshore | kimindi: If the shell session you started the command from is still alive you can bring the command to front with fg, if not (i.e. you backgrounded it and killed the shell by killing screen), then you can't |
| 22:25.25 | SirTophat | does anybody know about the more command at all |
| 22:25.29 | PingFloyd | wrench: it creates a faked root environment that isn't run under root privs -- to make a long story short |
| 22:25.37 | SirTophat | it gives me unreadable characters when I do it on /dev/sda |
| 22:25.42 | SirTophat | like a tutorial said to |
| 22:25.44 | SirTophat | http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?s=2fd6c696b3b1d492f1096f35f55d65b5&threadid=93059&highlight=fdisk |
| 22:25.46 | PingFloyd | wrench: you generally use that when making packages for instance |
| 22:25.55 | kmindi | cshore: thanks |
| 22:25.57 | SirTophat | I need to know what I'm doing wrong here |
| 22:26.02 | wrench | PingFloyd: ok cool. Thanks man. |
| 22:26.04 | kmindi | that what i wnated to know |
| 22:26.15 | PingFloyd | wrench: so proper ownerships are set etc. |
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| 22:26.27 | PingFloyd | wrench: you're welcome |
| 22:26.32 | SirTophat | please |
| 22:26.35 | cshore | sirtophat: more /dev/sda will generally give you bizarre characters |
| 22:26.57 | SirTophat | then what did the tutorial mean |
| 22:27.15 | Acido | hi is there a way i can connect to a machine via ssh and message the current logged on user on the windows manager in debian |
| 22:28.04 | cshore | did you fdisk, so far? |
| 22:28.22 | cshore | and mkfs.vfat? |
| 22:28.36 | SirTophat | I need to check if my ipod is connected as "a fake scsi device /dev/sda." |
| 22:29.03 | SirTophat | this is... confusing |
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| 22:29.19 | SirTophat | why does it say to go into /dev/sda, that's the entire HDD |
| 22:29.23 | cshore | Oh, well the bizarre characters tell you it's there; if it wasn't you would get no device |
| 22:29.33 | SirTophat | oh. |
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| 22:29.43 | SirTophat | so /dev/sda is definitley my ipod then |
| 22:29.50 | cshore | an easier way is dmesg|grep sda |
| 22:30.24 | SirTophat | what I'm trying to do here, is partition the disk on an ipod. |
| 22:30.26 | cshore | and that let's you verify that sda is your ipod and not something else (like a usb drive) |
| 22:30.48 | cshore | ls /dev/disk/by-id/usb-* |
| 22:30.58 | SirTophat | ok |
| 22:31.02 | kmindi | ok same thing, without screen now, logged in with ssh, started the mencoder with & at the end, then logged in in a seperate session and terminated the first ssh session |
| 22:31.18 | kmindi | and now mencoder is of cours still running |
| 22:31.49 | kmindi | and there is NO way to get it to any shell, the output of mencoder (or any other programm of course) |
| 22:32.21 | cshore | kmindi: I'm not aware of anyway to bring it back to a shell |
| 22:32.26 | jonsmith1982 | kmindi, is that not what you expected? |
| 22:32.38 | cshore | kmindi: that' why you use screen |
| 22:32.39 | SirTophat | SCSI device sda: 488397168 512-byte hdwr sectors (250059 MB) - 250 GB, definitley not my 4GB ipod |
| 22:32.54 | cshore | try sdb then |
| 22:32.55 | kmindi | jonsmith1982: sure i expected it |
| 22:33.14 | kmindi | but i want it back and i think there must be a way |
| 22:33.29 | PingFloyd | kmindi: you're missing the point here |
| 22:33.30 | SirTophat | sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdb <-- that must be it |
| 22:33.51 | PingFloyd | kmindi: the bottomline is when the host shell session is terminated, you can't bring back the backgrounded process |
| 22:34.00 | SirTophat | gah. now fdisk is unable to open /dev/sdb |
| 22:34.01 | cshore | sirtophat ls /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 22:34.07 | SirTophat | k |
| 22:34.23 | kmindi | PingFloyd: ok I got that, but shouldn't it be possible? |
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| 22:34.25 | PingFloyd | kmindi: screen acts as a layer between the term/console and the shell session keeping the shell session alive when you close the term/console |
| 22:34.29 | jonsmith1982 | fdisk -l |
| 22:34.39 | kmindi | I know what screen does but its not the point here |
| 22:34.47 | SirTophat | http://pastebin.com/d2c9c8897 |
| 22:34.56 | kmindi | that is to prevent that what I am doing |
| 22:35.21 | PingFloyd | kmindi: like I said, the bottom line is when the shell session is gone, you can't bring it back |
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| 22:35.31 | kmindi | to bad ^^ |
| 22:35.48 | cshore | sortophat: I don't see the ipod |
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| 22:35.51 | SirTophat | cord was loose I just saw |
| 22:35.53 | SirTophat | ... |
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| 22:36.31 | PingFloyd | kmindi: yeah |
| 22:36.47 | SirTophat | with it plugged in it is still same. |
| 22:36.58 | SirTophat | "Your iPod Mini should have attached as a fake scsi device /dev/sda." |
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| 22:37.20 | PingFloyd | kmindi: you can use disown instead, but I don't think you'll be able to bring back output etc |
| 22:37.21 | SirTophat | could it be the SATA |
| 22:37.21 | cshore | dmesg...any /dev/sd? lines? |
| 22:37.41 | sgtmuffles | Hey, so it looks like my ~/.profile isn't being run when I login. Isn't it supposed to? |
| 22:37.47 | PingFloyd | kmindi: disown would allow the process to finish after the shell is closed, but afaik, there is no way to do similar as reattach |
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| 22:38.16 | kmindi | PingFloyd: it is allowed to finish I think |
| 22:38.23 | PingFloyd | kmindi: yeah |
| 22:38.34 | PingFloyd | kmindi: and I think that is all it is allowed to really do with disown |
| 22:38.36 | kmindi | PingFloyd: because it continues the encoding and stops if it is finished |
| 22:38.47 | PingFloyd | kmindi: that could be |
| 22:38.54 | PingFloyd | kmindi: since it was backgrounded |
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| 22:39.01 | SirTophat | http://pastebin.com/d74a46739 |
| 22:39.07 | kmindi | yes exactly |
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| 22:39.41 | SirTophat | Adding 4883752k swap on /dev/sda4. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:4883752k is the only one with a /dev/sd in it |
| 22:39.42 | PingFloyd | kmindi: but there again, no way to get the functionality similar to reattaching |
| 22:39.57 | kmindi | PingFloyd: yes , thats true |
| 22:40.20 | cshore | st: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 22:40.39 | PingFloyd | kmindi: anyway, moral of the story -- start what you want to be to reattach, in a screen session :) |
| 22:40.42 | cshore | I don't think it's the iPod, but it is the one just mounted |
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| 22:41.00 | PingFloyd | kmindi: that's why the short answer is always: screen |
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| 22:41.09 | kmindi | PingFloyd: exactly ^^ |
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| 22:42.00 | PingFloyd | kmindi: wonder how people got by before screen |
| 22:42.23 | SirTophat | /dev/sda1 1 192 1536000 27 Unknown |
| 22:42.23 | SirTophat | Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. |
| 22:42.23 | SirTophat | /dev/sda2 * 192 28215 225097656+ 7 HPFS/NTFS <-- that proves it's not an ipod, and it's my local HDD, right |
| 22:42.47 | kmindi | PingFloyd: hehe yes, screen definatly is some thing I wouldn't want to miss |
| 22:42.49 | PingFloyd | kmindi: I'll usually run anything that is going to take awhile or is fairly critical to complete in screen in case X takes a shit |
| 22:42.57 | SirTophat | maybe I have to restart |
| 22:42.58 | SirTophat | brb |
| 22:43.44 | cshore | I just run screen in my .bashrc (with appropriate if then so it doesn't infinitely start) |
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| 22:45.11 | cshore | everything is in a screen session |
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| 22:46.57 | cshore | I can post the .bashrc bits if you want |
| 22:47.39 | SirTophat | what could /dev/zero be? |
| 22:47.42 | SirTophat | my ipod? |
| 22:47.47 | SirTophat | it opens in fdisk |
| 22:47.52 | SirTophat | but it has no paritions |
| 22:48.08 | cshore | no /dev/zero is always zero. It's for when you need to copy 0 (null) |
| 22:48.16 | cshore | as many times as you need |
| 22:48.25 | SirTophat | ehehhh |
| 22:48.39 | SirTophat | none of the usbdev's ope nin fdisk. |
| 22:48.39 | cshore | does lusb show you anything? |
| 22:48.54 | SirTophat | command not found. |
| 22:48.55 | cshore | sory lsusb |
| 22:49.17 | SirTophat | yeah about 6 things |
| 22:49.26 | SirTophat | 7 |
| 22:49.35 | cshore | are any of them an iPod possibility? |
| 22:49.39 | SirTophat | Bus 006 Device 002: ID 0bda:0158 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. |
| 22:49.44 | SirTophat | that is theo nly one not 0's |
| 22:50.12 | cshore | st: realtek is probably a network device or so |
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| 22:50.23 | SirTophat | agh |
| 22:50.26 | cshore | st: any of them with text |
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| 22:50.51 | SirTophat | Bus 006 Device 001: ID 0000:0000,Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000, and etc |
| 22:50.55 | cshore | st: it looks like you computer isn't seeing your ipod |
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| 22:51.14 | cshore | st: do you have usb hub? |
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| 22:51.28 | SirTophat | usb hub? |
| 22:51.34 | Joelito | hello, question..is there a package that will manage my cursor theme? |
| 22:51.34 | SirTophat | I'm using the usb ports that are on my laptop |
| 22:51.42 | cshore | st: ok, then no |
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| 22:51.51 | SirTophat | my ipod can't go into disk mode if that matters |
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| 22:52.14 | adb | SirTophat: hfsplus - (Tools to access HFS+ formatted volumes ) is installed ? |
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| 22:52.19 | cshore | st: oh, well it should still be visible with lsusb |
| 22:52.49 | SirTophat | hfsplus command not found |
| 22:52.51 | adb | dpkg -l hfsplus |
| 22:52.51 | dpkg | No packages found matching hfsplus |
| 22:53.05 | MrMadMoneyMan | Hello all, How to I change the umask for SFTP(SSH) in debian 5? |
| 22:53.12 | SirTophat | I know it recognizes it on some low level because when I plugged it into the usb it turned itself on |
| 22:53.20 | cshore | adb: the drive device isn't showing up |
| 22:53.33 | cshore | st: it's getting power from the usb port |
| 22:53.44 | SirTophat | while Iwas booting I did see something about a usb mass storage device mut meh |
| 22:53.52 | cshore | st: but I'm not sure it's registering with the usb controller |
| 22:53.56 | MrMadMoneyMan | Whenever I upload a file to my SFTP server it has permission of 700, and I want it to be 750 |
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| 22:54.03 | SirTophat | how would that problem be fixed |
| 22:54.04 | cshore | st: dmesg again? |
| 22:54.23 | cshore | st: do you have problems with other usb devices? |
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| 22:55.10 | cshore | mmmm: use pam_umask |
| 22:55.21 | MrMadMoneyMan | cshore, how would I go about doing that? |
| 22:55.23 | SirTophat | http://pastebin.com/d2c565880 |
| 22:55.31 | MrMadMoneyMan | cshore, kind of a noobie |
| 22:55.40 | SirTophat | not on windows |
| 22:55.51 | SirTophat | the ipod doesn't show up in windows either, though |
| 22:55.59 | SirTophat | but my other mp3 player does. |
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| 22:57.03 | cshore | st: I'd say your ipod needs repairs...it doesn't show up to the kernel, even just as a usb device with no disk attached |
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| 22:57.35 | SirTophat | it worked a few days ago on a small level, it could go into disk mode and be recognized, then I tried some 'slapping' fix but that might have broken it more |
| 22:57.49 | SirTophat | I wonder how much repairs would cost |
| 22:57.54 | SirTophat | probably like $100 knowing apple |
| 22:58.22 | cshore | mmmm: you need to edit /etc/pamd.d/ssh I believe |
| 22:58.34 | SirTophat | I'll try opening it up and resetting the harddrive. |
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| 22:59.07 | cshore | and add the line 'session optional pam_umask.so' |
| 22:59.41 | cshore | st: yeah apple's not cheap |
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| 23:00.07 | wrench | I'm following along this guide on how to install java6 sdk on lenny. The tutorial says to install "java-package" with apt-get...but my apt-get can't find it. Can anyone tell me why this might be so? |
| 23:00.20 | SirTophat | cheap in quality yes |
| 23:00.21 | SirTophat | price no |
| 23:00.29 | MrMadMoneyMan | chshore, after I add "session optional pam_umask.so" to the /etc/pam.d/sshd is there any other configs? |
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| 23:00.47 | cshore | mmmm: then for the users you want that umask for, use chfn |
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| 23:01.03 | MrMadMoneyMan | chfn? |
| 23:01.04 | Sh4wn | Hi is it possible in /etc/apt/preferences to Pin: package* (with wildcard)? |
| 23:01.25 | cshore | and set the 'other' field to umask=0750 |
| 23:01.36 | cshore | chfn = change finger |
| 23:01.57 | adb | !tell Sh4wn about pinning |
| 23:02.01 | MrMadMoneyMan | k |
| 23:02.05 | cshore | Just run chfn username as root |
| 23:02.26 | Sh4wn | nothing here adb :+ |
| 23:03.35 | adb | use backports |
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| 23:04.51 | MaxHalz | hey all, any books u recommend on reading for learning deabian from scratch |
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| 23:05.24 | MrMadMoneyMan | cshore, does pam need to be restarted? |
| 23:05.28 | cshore | mmmm: you can /msg me if you have trouble |
| 23:05.29 | cshore | nope |
| 23:05.50 | cshore | you might want to restart sshd, but even that shouln't be necessary |
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| 23:06.23 | cshore | Once you have the umask= line and pam_umask it should 'just work' |
| 23:06.41 | adb | !tell MaxHalz about debian from scratch |
| 23:07.20 | MaxHalz | am new to all this commands and reasoning |
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| 23:07.48 | SirTophat | agh. my ipod doesn't open past the top and bottom flaps |
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| 23:08.00 | adb | read bot message |
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| 23:08.45 | cshore | adb: how do I get a list of topics the bot knows about? |
| 23:08.48 | adb | MaxHalz: do > /join #debian-anarchy |
| 23:09.05 | adb | cshore: i dunno ;) |
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| 23:10.16 | virko | hi. i'm using debian lenny 5.0.1 i386 with KDE 3.5.10. and I have a question about HDD. is there any way for me to change the file system on the main HDD without losing bootloader. linux is installed on the second HDD, not on the one I want to change. |
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| 23:11.48 | Sh4wn | cherokee doesn't have a backport |
| 23:12.46 | adb | judd: versions cherokee |
| 23:12.47 | judd | adb: cherokee -- etch: 0.5.5.dfsg-2 lenny: 0.7.2-4 squeeze: 0.99.11-1 sid: 0.99.13-1 |
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| 23:13.16 | cr3 | is there a way to track processes which have been spawned, ie keeping of logs of those processes that were started and finished during a period of time? |
| 23:13.58 | bluethundr | for some reason some things in my /var/www directory are being served up just fine. others are downloaded by the browser as type application-x. I have no idea why this is happening... |
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| 23:14.25 | Sh4wn | adb I want to use 0.99.11 |
| 23:14.27 | bluethundr | I can't see any difference by the things that are being served and the things apache is insisting the browser download |
| 23:14.29 | cr3 | bluethundr: permissions are the same for both types of files, ie those served fine and those served as application-x? |
| 23:14.35 | Sh4wn | not the way to old package in stable |
| 23:14.53 | cr3 | bluethundr: for example, is the execute bit on for any of those files? |
| 23:15.13 | adb | apt-get install -t sid cherokee |
| 23:15.28 | bluethundr | cr3 the execute bit is set for the directories, yet |
| 23:15.31 | bluethundr | yes* |
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| 23:15.42 | bluethundr | after I started experiencing the problem I did this: sudo chown www-data:www-data * |
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| 23:16.16 | bluethundr | verified that everything was owned by www-data and everything worked as before |
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| 23:22.13 | bluethundr | is checking to see if he forgot his deodorant *sniff* |
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| 23:25.33 | MrMadMoneyMan | Does anyone here know how to change the UMASK for SFTP uploads? |
| 23:25.51 | MrMadMoneyMan | I tried working with cshore but his advice did not seem to do the trick |
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| 23:26.24 | spldart | Quick question. I have a dual boot pc with (sata sda and sdb drives) and a (pata hda) drive. sda1 is windows and sda2 is debian lenny. sdb is just storage. Problem is this. I think there is an old grub on my hda drive. When I hook this drive up the computer seems to show preference to this old grub which leads to an unbootable machine. Is there an easy way to ditch the grub on hda without hurting the files stored on it's one primary partiti |
| 23:26.24 | spldart | on? |
| 23:27.22 | themill | MrMadMoneyMan: it's a property that the client sets -- check the documentation for the client. |
| 23:27.39 | MrMadMoneyMan | I cant set it server side? |
| 23:27.57 | themill | MrMadMoneyMan: (at least, I'm pretty sure that's the case....) |
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| 23:33.35 | warthog | spldart: yes |
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| 23:36.13 | spldart | What would be an easy way to wipe grub from hda without effecting the contents of it's primary partion? |
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| 23:36.50 | spldart | silly question was to long and got cut off. |
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| 23:37.46 | Conic | This was frustrating |
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| 23:38.04 | Conic | I spend forever downloading a custom debian CD, then find out I needed an AMD processor to use it. |
| 23:38.09 | Conic | amd64, that is |
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| 23:38.17 | Conic | Help? |
| 23:38.30 | amphi | Conic: amd64 is also for intel x86_64 |
| 23:38.39 | Conic | I have a 32 bit processor. |
| 23:38.51 | jetscreamer | !netinst |
| 23:38.51 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD image (or set of floppy images) which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
| 23:38.51 | kiraa | I have a visiontek radeon x300se video card... can I use ATI radeon x300 driver for that same card??? |
| 23:39.20 | jetscreamer | kiraa: x300 doesn't get 3d support from the radeon driver you need fglrx .. me too |
| 23:39.34 | jetscreamer | but 2d is fine |
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| 23:39.55 | kiraa | will that be the case under windows x64 as well? |
| 23:40.02 | Conic | Well, I kinda need the latest kernel |
| 23:40.24 | jetscreamer | uh.. no? you need the legacy ati packages though |
| 23:40.44 | jetscreamer | !kmuto |
| 23:40.44 | dpkg | For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:41.13 | abrotman | wishes the X driver man pages would say which have hardware 3d |
| 23:41.20 | jetscreamer | they do |
| 23:41.29 | jetscreamer | it's how i know |
| 23:41.33 | abrotman | well .. then his x300 has 3d ? |
| 23:41.44 | abrotman | it doesn't say otherwise |
| 23:41.44 | jetscreamer | yes but it's not suported by radeon |
| 23:41.54 | abrotman | i'm reading hte radeon man page |
| 23:42.04 | jetscreamer | it's in there somewhere |
| 23:42.11 | jetscreamer | the list |
| 23:42.15 | jetscreamer | of chips |
| 23:42.23 | abrotman | and says nothing about 3d support |
| 23:42.25 | abrotman | not on lenny |
| 23:42.59 | kiraa | I think I got myself a stupid card thats good for nothing |
| 23:43.34 | abrotman | what did you want it to be good for? |
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| 23:44.07 | kiraa | abrotman: some 3d at least, under debina, it'l prolly work, but Im worried about windows xp x64 |
| 23:44.24 | kiraa | visiontel doesnt offer 64bit drivers |
| 23:44.24 | abrotman | uhm .. it'll work fine under XP i'm sure |
| 23:44.33 | abrotman | get them from amd.com ? |
| 23:44.37 | abrotman | ask #ati? |
| 23:44.38 | jetscreamer | RV370 Radeon X300, M22 (2d only) |
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| 23:44.49 | jetscreamer | ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/radeon.4.html |
| 23:44.49 | warthog | spldart: use a live cd to reinstall grub |
| 23:44.52 | kiraa | abrotman: thankjs |
| 23:44.52 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i'm looking the lenny man page .. says nothing about that |
| 23:44.55 | kiraa | thanks* |
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| 23:45.05 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.21 | abrotman | jetscreamer: yours isn't the right version ? |
| 23:45.32 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 23:45.38 | abrotman | it's like .. three years old ? |
| 23:46.00 | jetscreamer | of what |
| 23:46.31 | jetscreamer | the card? it's not like i 'bought' it |
| 23:46.52 | abrotman | the man page? |
| 23:47.04 | abrotman | kiraa: try the radeon driver .. you'll see if you get 3d or not |
| 23:47.10 | jetscreamer | those are the latest docs |
| 23:47.25 | jetscreamer | yes test, see who knows |
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| 23:47.43 | abrotman | hates trying to find anything at x.org |
| 23:47.52 | abrotman | gives up |
| 23:48.25 | jetscreamer | i thought you were in love with ati |
| 23:49.12 | jetscreamer | btw, there is no 3d support.. it will be happy to lock up your xwindows though |
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| 23:49.44 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i prefer intel when i can .. ati when i can't |
| 23:50.01 | jetscreamer | is waiting to purchase some more evil NVIDIA |
| 23:50.07 | abrotman | thinks jetscreamer has been bending his elbow again |
| 23:50.14 | Polarina | Conic: You do not need an AMD processor to run the amd64 version of Debian. |
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| 23:50.26 | jetscreamer | you do need a 32bit proc though eh |
| 23:50.31 | jetscreamer | err 64bit |
| 23:50.36 | jetscreamer | (doh) |
| 23:52.07 | wrench | I'm having trouble understanding the update-alternatives doc. I understand how to switch alternatives -- I am confused about the syntax on how to add a new alternative. Can someone help me sort this out |
| 23:52.29 | Conic | Polarina: I don't even have a 64 bit processor. Just a regular old Intel Pentium 32 bit. |
| 23:52.38 | wrench | I installed the sun java sdk and I'm trying to point the alternatives to it |
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| 23:53.10 | Wyzard | wrench: The sun-java packages create the necessary alternatives automatically... you shouldn't need to add anything manually |
| 23:53.11 | jetscreamer | wrench: it should already have an alternative.. been my exp that it's added during install |
| 23:53.17 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 23:53.22 | abrotman | Wyzard: i think he means the .run |
| 23:53.37 | Wyzard | could be |
| 23:53.38 | abrotman | wrench: why didn't you use the sun-java6 package already in debian ? |
| 23:53.43 | Wyzard | If so, remove that and install the package instead :-) |
| 23:53.45 | jetscreamer | ahh |
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| 23:53.52 | wrench | jetscreamer: its not showing up as an alternative |
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| 23:53.57 | jetscreamer | it's still in non-free wrench |
| 23:54.07 | jetscreamer | do you not have non-free contrib ? |
| 23:54.17 | jetscreamer | wrench: like they said, how did you install the java |
| 23:54.27 | abrotman | !info sun-java6-jdk lenny |
| 23:54.41 | jetscreamer | info seems kinda borked lately |
| 23:54.53 | dpkg | sun-java6-jdk: (Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 6), section non-free/devel, is optional. Version: 6-12-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 17106 kB, Installed size: 54736 kB |
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| 23:55.08 | wrench | jetscreamer: i added the non-free to sources.list but was still unable to fine the sun-java6-jdk w/ aptitude |
| 23:55.26 | jetscreamer | wrench: well there it is, but did you do aptitude update? |
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| 23:55.42 | wrench | jetscreamer: trying that now |
| 23:55.45 | JordiGH | What does it mean when top tells me that a process is using more than 100% CPU? |
| 23:55.46 | jetscreamer | wrench: and like they said, you should probably uninstall the .run from sun and do the debian sources |
| 23:55.54 | jetscreamer | but it's not my thing |
| 23:55.54 | JordiGH | It's using all of one core and part of the other? |
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| 23:56.23 | wrench | jetscreamer: gotcha man. Thanks! |
| 23:56.24 | amphi | JordiGH: I would think |
| 23:56.40 | JordiGH | Can cores even do that? |
| 23:56.44 | jetscreamer | magic distributed computing |
| 23:56.47 | JordiGH | Simultaneously use both for one process? |
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| 23:56.54 | jetscreamer | i know you can assign cores in bad assed machines |
| 23:56.55 | JordiGH | Or is top just no crack? |
| 23:57.00 | jetscreamer | 64 procs et al |
| 23:57.01 | JordiGH | on |
| 23:57.45 | jetscreamer | why shouldn't it be able to |
| 23:57.49 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you can do it on any thing with two CPUs |
| 23:57.58 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
| 23:57.59 | abrotman | or cores .. or HTed .. i guess |
| 23:58.04 | abrotman | !cpu affinity |
| 23:58.09 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: Because code has to be written in a parallelised way for it to be parallelised. :-( |
| 23:58.11 | jetscreamer | no idea, i just got my first ht :/ |
| 23:58.16 | JordiGH | has written parallelised code, wasn't easy. |
| 23:58.36 | jetscreamer | ah good point (i think) (i remember reading that now) |
| 23:59.09 | jetscreamer | that would be a function of the scheduler wouldn't it? |
| 23:59.21 | jetscreamer | gah nm i know nothing |
| 23:59.24 | JordiGH | In fact, I could only parallelise part of it. Unless Linux is super smart and knows ahead of time what it will have to compute and can analyse code on the fly, so computes different things at different times. |
| 23:59.51 | JordiGH | Er, different things on different cores, and later joins the results of the computations. |
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| 23:59.57 | jetscreamer | ok now for 3d on my x300 via fglrx |