| 00:00.21 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i did 'just try it' |
| 00:00.22 | jetscreamer | btw |
| 00:00.31 | jetscreamer | didn't work |
| 00:00.37 | jetscreamer | thought it would |
| 00:00.39 | abrotman | yeah .. but you're impaired |
| 00:00.42 | jetscreamer | then i had to find out why |
| 00:00.52 | jetscreamer | yeah, but my stupidity didn't affect this |
| 00:01.28 | jetscreamer | btw i do mean to change those sources :) |
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| 00:01.48 | jetscreamer | but i'm not done with the computers.. almost, just this crap ati to do now |
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| 00:02.17 | jetscreamer | you'll be happy to know i even did nvidia the debian way for the first time |
| 00:02.20 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 00:02.25 | jetscreamer | worked fine |
| 00:02.28 | abrotman | shocker .. |
| 00:02.33 | jetscreamer | (it didn't used to) |
| 00:02.48 | jetscreamer | which is why i started using the .run from them |
| 00:03.07 | jetscreamer | what, sarge-ish? |
| 00:03.09 | jetscreamer | or so |
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| 00:03.41 | jetx | this box has the nvidia |
| 00:04.07 | jetscreamer | now, it does |
| 00:04.23 | jetx | jetscreamer is sooo cool |
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| 00:05.12 | helo | what package is the x capture program 'import' in? |
| 00:05.33 | jetx | apt-file search helo |
| 00:05.38 | jetx | !apt-file |
| 00:05.38 | dpkg | [apt-file] a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
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| 00:06.10 | micket | Or my personal favourite |
| 00:06.13 | micket | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=import&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 00:06.53 | abrotman | prefers apt-file |
| 00:07.04 | jetx | iceweasel went to the last page i was on when i closed it?? |
| 00:07.10 | jetx | wtf when did that start |
| 00:07.19 | abrotman | jetx: you can set it to save state |
| 00:07.23 | jetx | ahh |
| 00:07.30 | jetx | must be set by default now |
| 00:07.34 | jetx | fresh install |
| 00:07.41 | simNIX | how can I tell Lenny to use a dded repository despite it not having a public key ? |
| 00:07.46 | simNIX | *added |
| 00:07.48 | Wyzard | jetx: I think it asks the first time you quit |
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| 00:08.09 | jetx | you can use it just say 'y' when it asks 'do you really want to?' |
| 00:08.32 | jetx | how to give it a key... i dunno |
| 00:08.46 | jetx | unless there is a key, then you... |
| 00:08.48 | jetx | !apt-key |
| 00:08.53 | jetx | gah |
| 00:09.04 | jetx | there's a factoid about how to add them |
| 00:09.13 | simNIX | I would suffuce with telling it yes I know theres no key; accept it :) |
| 00:09.23 | simNIX | I know how to add key |
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| 00:09.32 | simNIX | only there not one for this repository |
| 00:09.50 | jetx | just hit y then, afaik it will ask you 'do you want to install these packages from this source' |
| 00:09.53 | SirTophat | what's the minimal requirements of something being recognized to be in the usb port? |
| 00:09.59 | SirTophat | by lsusb |
| 00:10.09 | jetx | that it be usb? :) j/k no idea |
| 00:10.26 | simNIX | apt-get update gives gpg eroor so when I try to install package aint there ... |
| 00:10.42 | nixfreak | how can I find out if Xserver is installed on a server correctly , because I want to be able to install virtual box on it to host multiple guest OS's and you vnc for say windos |
| 00:10.50 | jetx | no, it gives the error but still uses it afaik |
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| 00:11.16 | jetx | apt-get install xorg ? |
| 00:11.47 | jetx | goes away |
| 00:12.10 | simNIX | install opsi-atftpd |
| 00:12.18 | simNIX | tnx for trying |
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| 00:14.40 | kingsley | Can iceweasel be configured to stop automatically checking for updated add-ons, extensions and plugins? If so, how? |
| 00:15.07 | nixfreak | ok so I have xorg installed and Xserver on a server , then I use a shell and type ssh -X ipaddress , still can't even see any X11 apps |
| 00:16.11 | nixfreak | kingsley right 100% but try about:conif on the address bar |
| 00:16.47 | nixfreak | about:config there you should be able to search for updates |
| 00:18.03 | bjk | nixfreak, any errors? |
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| 00:18.09 | micket | kingsley: you can at least hide it with update-notifier add-on. |
| 00:18.40 | nixfreak | bjk Error:Can't open Display |
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| 00:20.01 | bjk | nixfreak, read xauth(1) |
| 00:20.25 | bjk | nixfreak, i think (not sure totally) that you have to allow access from a remote host. |
| 00:20.31 | nixfreak | This is what I am doing , ssh into a gateway then ssh into a server on that lan |
| 00:20.31 | nixfreak | trying to x11 forwarding from another shell on the system I am on now |
| 00:20.35 | nixfreak | I heard you can x11 forward and see virtual box |
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| 00:21.24 | Hodapp | ceil420: shhhhhhhh.... |
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| 00:23.08 | jetx | man that's lame.. no legacy packages afaict |
| 00:23.11 | bjk | nixfreak, hrm. ssh -X may do the xauth itself. dunno |
| 00:23.12 | jetx | for fglrx |
| 00:23.24 | jetx | i have to use the ati installer... ewwww |
| 00:23.52 | bjk | nixfreak, firewall? |
| 00:24.31 | nixfreak | hmmm going to install x11vnc server on the server and try that |
| 00:24.34 | nixfreak | thanks for the help |
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| 00:26.59 | PingFloyd | simNIX: sounds like you're missing the archive keyring |
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| 00:27.58 | w0ndal | Hey guys... If I have a package that absolutely will not uninstall or purge, is there any way for me to make the apt database 'forget about it' so that I can carry on installing and going about business as usual? |
| 00:28.17 | w0ndal | I've tried all force options, etc... No dice |
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| 00:28.37 | abrotman | maybe you should show us the actual error |
| 00:29.22 | w0ndal | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m44a6adb8 |
| 00:29.29 | limpio | hi everybody, what's the name of the repo for stable/lenny in order to install newer packages like OOo, iceweasel, etc |
| 00:29.41 | limpio | backports? |
| 00:29.46 | w0ndal | abrotman: I have an old PPC machine which was (previously) running an old kernel... |
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| 00:29.58 | w0ndal | abrotman: I recently upgraded and want to flush the package, but I get this error every time. |
| 00:30.10 | abrotman | w0ndal: put a "set -x" after the shebang in /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel-image-2.6.8-powerpc.postrm .. then try again and paste the results |
| 00:30.12 | w0ndal | abrotman: The machine is running normally... But now I can't add or remove any more packages |
| 00:30.36 | Piet | hi, i'm trying to get the vncserver included in xen working on debian lenny with paravirtualized guests, but am not having any luck so far. is it known not to work in general or should i go on? |
| 00:30.42 | w0ndal | abrotman: What do you mean put it after the shebang? In my purge command line? |
| 00:30.54 | w0ndal | or in the postrm file? |
| 00:30.59 | abrotman | the shebang is the #! line .. on the next line, put "set -x" |
| 00:33.03 | pl4yer0ne | shebang doesnt make as much sense in the antipodes here, because we dont call a ! a bang |
| 00:33.10 | infinity_ | i want to have a pacakge diff based on a package maintainer's diff. whats the best way to do that? |
| 00:34.12 | abrotman | w0ndal: in here, i won't answer in msg |
| 00:34.30 | w0ndal | abrotman: OK |
| 00:34.39 | w0ndal | so you mean put set -x in this file: |
| 00:34.39 | w0ndal | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.53 | w0ndal | the "shebang" ? :-) |
| 00:35.00 | abrotman | the #! on the first line |
| 00:35.17 | w0ndal | abrotman: Right. Of /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel-image-2.6.8-powerpc.postrm ... |
| 00:35.25 | abrotman | yes .. i said that |
| 00:35.36 | w0ndal | OK so that unfortunately doesn't change anything when I go to try and purge |
| 00:35.50 | w0ndal | syntax error at /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel-image-2.6.8-powerpc.postrm line 2, near "set -x" |
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| 00:36.00 | w0ndal | Or at least it didn't purge the package. |
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| 00:36.27 | abrotman | put the first five lines in a pastebin |
| 00:36.49 | w0ndal | First five lines of the error message, or of the file? |
| 00:37.41 | w0ndal | here's the error message with set -x in the file: http://pastebin.com/m50a1f8e3 |
| 00:37.55 | nixfreak | how can I use vncviewer if I have to ssh into a gateway then use a lan address to another server, is there a way to tunnel to the gateway and to the server on the lan ? |
| 00:38.18 | Wyzard | nixfreak: use "ssh -X" for both hops |
| 00:38.20 | nixfreak | so I want to vnc into a box through another box |
| 00:38.26 | Wyzard | oh, oops, VNC, not X |
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| 00:38.34 | Wyzard | anyway, just tunnel the VNC port on both hops |
| 00:38.52 | infinity_ | i'm looking for a VNC alternative. |
| 00:38.59 | nixfreak | Wyzard you got an example |
| 00:39.05 | nixfreak | infinity use FreeNX |
| 00:39.27 | w0ndal | abrotman: Any thoughts? I actually don't really care if it clean uninstalls; I just want the database to think that it has so it will carry on with the rest of the stuff that I want to do. |
| 00:39.40 | infinity_ | nixfreak: yea. i've looked at that. so far i have evaluated nomachine, exceed ondemand, ssgd |
| 00:39.58 | nixfreak | nxserver is the best |
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| 00:40.04 | Wyzard | nixfreak: mycomputer$ ssh gateway -L 5900:localhost:5900 |
| 00:40.06 | nixfreak | easy has hell to setup too |
| 00:40.12 | abrotman | w0ndal: of the postrm file |
| 00:40.13 | infinity_ | nixfreak: have you compared freenx with nomachine nx? |
| 00:40.16 | Wyzard | nixfreak: gateway$ ssh realdestination -L 5900:localhost:5900 |
| 00:40.29 | w0ndal | abrotman: first 5 lines of postrm file are comments |
| 00:40.36 | nixfreak | thx Wyzard |
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| 00:40.40 | abrotman | 20 lines then |
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| 00:41.20 | w0ndal | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m694f812b |
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| 00:42.34 | abrotman | w0ndal: oh sorry .. i'm used to them being bash |
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| 00:42.38 | abrotman | or sh at least |
| 00:43.08 | w0ndal | abrotman: It's a really old one -- so do you have any idea how I can force dpkg's hand? |
| 00:43.12 | w0ndal | --force-all doesn't work |
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| 00:43.17 | abrotman | w0ndal: i realize that ... |
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| 00:45.36 | abrotman | w0ndal: see if changing 'set -x' to 'exit 0' lets it finish |
| 00:46.25 | w0ndal | aha! |
| 00:46.27 | w0ndal | I think it did |
| 00:46.35 | w0ndal | Wow great, thank you so much |
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| 00:47.22 | w0ndal | Cheers! |
| 00:48.09 | infinity_ | any idea why when i diff i don't get output but it says: Only in /tmp/z-bb/debian/patches: events.php.dpatch |
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| 00:52.30 | jetx | mf crapassed shit |
| 00:52.33 | elik | Is aptitude a default package on debian? |
| 00:52.34 | jetx | buys nvidia |
| 00:52.38 | jetx | yes |
| 00:52.46 | elik | hum.. |
| 00:52.59 | elik | Is there any way to find out since when? |
| 00:53.06 | jetx | fuck i can't kill anybody |
| 00:53.08 | jetx | :/ |
| 00:53.25 | elik | Cause my laptop, that has been on Debian for a while (since the beginning of etch) didn't have it |
| 00:53.33 | elik | and now, I have issues with bash-completion... |
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| 00:55.30 | jetx | fuckin craptacular |
| 00:56.14 | dondelelcaro | elik: it's not required, but it's been installed by default since etch. |
| 00:56.14 | \amethyst | infinity_: you need -N to put the contents of added/removed files in the diff |
| 00:56.16 | elik | would reinstalling bash-completion solve the problem? should it be automatic? |
| 00:56.26 | jetx | cpmpletion doesn't have anything to do with aptitude |
| 00:56.31 | jetx | what is the problem |
| 00:56.43 | dondelelcaro | elik: are you sourcing it in your /etc/bash.bashrc? |
| 00:56.48 | elik | jetx, aptitude i<tab> won't complete |
| 00:57.02 | elik | dondelelcaro, it works for other programs, like apt-get.. |
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| 00:57.29 | jetx | ah |
| 00:57.32 | jetx | no idea |
| 00:57.38 | elik | dondelelcaro, and yeah, /etc/bash_completion is sourced |
| 00:57.58 | elik | I'm still wondering why aptitude was not installed... but hum, that's just secondary |
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| 00:58.22 | jetx | dist-upgrade might help |
| 00:58.29 | dondelelcaro | elik: see /etc/bash_completion, make sure the aptitude stuff is there. |
| 00:58.29 | _dean_ | how is ubuntu+1 related to debian unstable |
| 00:58.38 | dondelelcaro | elik: and I asusme you have aptitude installed? |
| 00:58.40 | _dean_ | like which one has more broken stuff |
| 00:58.46 | jetx | it's unstables bastard child |
| 00:58.47 | elik | dondelelcaro, I just installed it, yeah |
| 00:58.53 | jetx | unstable's |
| 00:59.03 | dondelelcaro | elik: and you've sourced bash_completion since then? |
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| 00:59.22 | elik | dondelelcaro, ah.. no, I hadn't |
| 00:59.29 | jetx | well shit a nice black screen |
| 00:59.32 | jetx | goes away |
| 00:59.33 | elik | dondelelcaro, :) |
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| 01:00.14 | elik | dondelelcaro, so bash-completion package adds stuff to bash_completion, if it's there? |
| 01:01.03 | elik | synaptic ain't there either... o.O |
| 01:01.04 | \amethyst | anyone used radeon or radeonhd with a RV516 and gotten 3d acceleration and xinerama working? I need to move away from fglrx but am a little wary since backing up will be a little difficult |
| 01:02.13 | Sebboh- | Hi. Despite many arguments to the contrary, I believe that I can transfer 160 gigs from PC1 to PC2 faster via a cleartext protocol than I could over ssh. I'd like to do so. Can rsyncd do this? That is, transmit in the clear? |
| 01:02.16 | _dean_ | well i guess apt-get it is then |
| 01:02.22 | dondelelcaro | elik: it checks to see if aptitude is there before it loads the completion for it; same thing with any other program |
| 01:02.48 | elik | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 01:02.54 | edju | could someone check out http://rafb.net/p/A4G2ve92.html - my inittab file - and see if it's ok? I can't get into a console from X - at-ctrl-f1 gets me just a black screen, no prompt. nvidia 173.14.09 driver. also. console login from kdm same result. |
| 01:03.00 | abrotman | Sebboh-: netcat and tar |
| 01:03.04 | dondelelcaro | elik: you can see the logic in /etc/bash_completion |
| 01:03.09 | _dean_ | no, netcat and cpio |
| 01:03.14 | elik | dondelelcaro, the file is massive |
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| 01:03.38 | _dean_ | netcat -l 31337 on pc1 |
| 01:03.46 | dondelelcaro | elik: uh... you don't have to read the whole thing. search for aptitude. |
| 01:04.53 | elik | dondelelcaro, woohoo, funky |
| 01:04.55 | Sebboh- | abrotman, _dean_, true enough, but I'd like the ability to resume. Does rsyncd use cleartext transmission? I see an option to disable compression, good. |
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| 01:05.23 | abrotman | Sebboh-: what were you going to use to transfer via ssh ? |
| 01:05.31 | elik | dondelelcaro, so all of bash_completion is held in this file and those under bash_completion.d? |
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| 01:05.35 | Sebboh- | rsync without rsyncd. |
| 01:05.42 | abrotman | and if PC1 and PC2 are fast .. you'd want to use compression most likely |
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| 01:06.09 | elik | dondelelcaro, I have a basic installation of bash completion at work and was interested in bringing the one from home (can't install stuff at work -_-) |
| 01:06.10 | _dean_ | yes |
| 01:06.25 | elik | dondelelcaro, considering it's bash all the way, it should be fairly portable, no? |
| 01:06.32 | _dean_ | you can do rsync plain |
| 01:06.50 | Sebboh- | They aren't fast. Well, PC1 isn't. ... it's not slow. But damned if I can get more than 400kbps out of it. |
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| 01:07.19 | Sebboh- | pc1 is a virtual machine hosted on windows. :P |
| 01:07.53 | _dean_ | rsync -auve rsh |
| 01:08.04 | damasceno | How can i change codification pt_BR... for LATIN1? |
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| 01:08.30 | Sebboh- | *sigh* |
| 01:09.16 | abrotman | Sebboh-: i'm still going with netcat and tar |
| 01:09.22 | Sebboh- | You guys are great, you are, but nobody ever likes the plan that users come in here with. |
| 01:09.32 | micket | elik: you can just copy bash_completion (and the files in bash_completion.d and link to them in your .bashrc |
| 01:09.56 | _dean_ | ftp ? |
| 01:10.09 | elik | micket, cool, thx |
| 01:10.13 | abrotman | Sebboh-: then try what you wanted .. |
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| 01:10.47 | Sebboh- | But I still don't know if rsyncd transmits in the clear. :P |
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| 01:11.37 | Sebboh- | I really assume it does. I was just seeking confirmation. The other options are legit of course. Thank you. |
| 01:11.39 | abrotman | it can |
| 01:11.54 | Sebboh- | ok |
| 01:12.39 | damasceno | How can i change codification pt_BR... for LATIN1?? |
| 01:12.52 | _dean_ | ssh is the default though |
| 01:13.27 | abrotman | damasceno: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:13.40 | _dean_ | if you use rsh as the remote shell it would do it in cleartext |
| 01:15.39 | Sebboh- | _dean_, right. I tried to install rsh on PC2 and failed. ... Entirely separate issue, let's say. :) |
| 01:15.57 | abrotman | Sebboh-: so netcat and tar! :) |
| 01:16.01 | dalias | don't use latin1 |
| 01:16.02 | damasceno | abrotman, and what i choice? |
| 01:16.03 | dalias | it's deprecated |
| 01:16.15 | abrotman | hey .. he asked! |
| 01:16.21 | damasceno | abrotman, have much options... |
| 01:16.34 | damasceno | i need use in my server LATIN1 codification... |
| 01:16.38 | damasceno | what i choice? |
| 01:16.38 | _dean_ | netcat and cpio is better |
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| 01:17.00 | _dean_ | cpio works with hardlinks |
| 01:17.20 | _dean_ | and long file names work on BSD |
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| 01:17.34 | _dean_ | whereas long filenames in tar are a GNU extension |
| 01:17.51 | dalias | no |
| 01:18.01 | dalias | it's part of pax |
| 01:18.09 | dalias | which is the modern standard for .tar |
| 01:18.28 | abrotman | this of course assumes he can install nc anyways ... |
| 01:18.29 | dalias | see susv3 for details |
| 01:18.53 | dalias | (by "it" i mean long filenames in tar) |
| 01:22.01 | jetx | nvidia>ati anyday |
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| 01:22.49 | jetx | damog: i don't suppose you're the fglrx guy... muhahahaha.... |
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| 01:25.05 | Sebboh- | I can install netcat. I just want to use rsync. I like it. Also, I just got it working fine. |
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| 01:30.18 | Sebboh- | Ok, I'm getting approx 16mbps. Over wireless. Good enough. |
| 01:30.52 | NetEcho | Wireless N? |
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| 01:31.05 | Sebboh- | No. :P G. |
| 01:32.38 | Sebboh- | NetEcho, I'm transfering files off an old hard drive, ext2, via a linux virtual machine on a windows host, via USB passthrough... ... looooong story. :) |
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| 01:33.37 | NetEcho | so you're telling me Wireless G is acheiving 16mbps for you? |
| 01:33.46 | NetEcho | damn I wish that were the case for me |
| 01:33.59 | NetEcho | then I'd be able to max out my connection over wireless |
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| 01:35.08 | Sebboh- | No. The wireless.. wtf are you talking about? The wireless isn't the limiting factor exactly. I mean, my 30 or so mbps link doesn't help.. but the CPU power of a software-only virtual machine is the real issue. |
| 01:35.26 | Sebboh- | that's 16megabits/second, not megabytes. |
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| 01:43.48 | lwljrw | are the channels linked? this one and the one on oftc? |
| 01:45.16 | dondelelcaro | lwljrw: no |
| 01:45.21 | dondelelcaro | (but most people who are here are there) |
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| 01:45.24 | lwljrw | is this line in alsa-base causing me problems with my sound. #alsa told me to come here. |
| 01:45.26 | lwljrw | install snd-emu10k1 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-emu10k1 $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-emu10k1 ; /sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-emu10k1-synth ; } |
| 01:45.29 | dondelelcaro | well, s/most/lots of/ |
| 01:46.07 | jetx | emu10k1 'just works' |
| 01:46.28 | jetx | !wayttd |
| 01:46.28 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 01:46.32 | lwljrw | not for me it doesn't. i have to run alsaconf after every reboot to get sound configured correctly again. |
| 01:47.26 | jetx | after a fresh boot, what does lsmod |grep emu10k1 return |
| 01:47.55 | lwljrw | cant reboot right now to check |
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| 01:48.16 | jetx | well i'm curious if the snd_emu stuff is |
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| 01:48.24 | matt7676 | if I have WNIC ath0(192.168.1.2) and NIC eth0(192.168.1.3) on the same machine and both are associated with the same router and if I ping www.google.com, then which interface will Linux use? |
| 01:48.29 | jetx | i had one, worked flawlessly every time |
| 01:48.36 | jetx | it's on a shelf atm |
| 01:48.58 | lwljrw | whichever you have setup as your default route |
| 01:49.03 | jetx | do you have the dell model by any chance? |
| 01:49.47 | matt7676 | lwljrw: how can I set up that? |
| 01:50.20 | lwljrw | matt7676: paste the output from 'route' |
| 01:50.55 | jetx | or >1 sound card? aka did you disable the onboard sound |
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| 01:52.01 | jetx | shit i missed the free food and free stuff at my fav computer parts dealer |
| 01:52.41 | noud | ask for a rollback |
| 01:53.11 | matt7676 | lwljrw: is it this line: "Destination:0.0.0.0 Gateway:192.168.1.1 Genamsk:0.0.0.0 Flags:UG Metric:0 Ref:0 Use:0 Iface:ath0" ? |
| 01:53.15 | jetx | 'while supplies last' |
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| 01:53.28 | matt7676 | lwljrw: so I guess that my default interface is ath0? |
| 01:53.32 | dalias | yep |
| 01:53.46 | lwljrw | it should say 'default' on the left there |
| 01:54.01 | dalias | 0.0.0.0 = default |
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| 01:55.25 | SirFoxey | can anyone where help with a deb 5 install and nvidia drivers and duel monitors not working |
| 01:55.35 | jetx | dual |
| 01:55.41 | SirFoxey | yeah them too |
| 01:55.43 | SirFoxey | :) |
| 01:55.51 | jetx | is that the nvidia.run or the nvidia.deb |
| 01:55.59 | jetx | and paste your xorg.conf |
| 01:56.01 | jetx | !paste |
| 01:56.01 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 01:56.35 | SirFoxey | I just installed the most recent package from nvidia.org, so it is the .run but I did try with the .deb first |
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| 01:57.05 | jetx | SirFoxey: glxinfo |grep -i vendor .. they should all say nvidia |
| 01:57.32 | SirFoxey | nah gdm dies with no nvidia module |
| 01:57.37 | SirFoxey | I will paste conf one sec |
| 01:57.41 | jetx | ah |
| 01:58.18 | SirFoxey | http://paste.debian.net/35580/ |
| 01:58.19 | jetx | well here's .. hmmm wonder what abrotman will say... a functional xorg.conf with nvidia enabled... http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf |
| 01:58.35 | abrotman | i hope it blows up your card |
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| 01:58.50 | jetx | i wish ati support didn't SUCK |
| 01:58.53 | jetx | :p |
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| 01:59.08 | jetx | oh |
| 01:59.25 | jetx | SirFoxey: you can just run nvidia-xconfig and it will write you a new xorg.conf |
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| 02:00.11 | jetx | hey how do i tell if my pci-e is 2.0 or what |
| 02:00.15 | SirFoxey | yeah i tried that |
| 02:00.25 | SirFoxey | thats the xorg.conf I pasted |
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| 02:00.49 | matt7676 | as far as I know Windows XP makes wired connection a default connection if it is present. Why chooses Linux ath0? |
| 02:00.51 | SirFoxey | I get the error Failed to load module nvidia module does not exist |
| 02:01.13 | SirFoxey | if i modprobe nvidia it seems to load |
| 02:01.19 | jetx | ah. what kernel are you running... btw i finally did the nvidia.deb stuff... worked nicely |
| 02:01.35 | SirFoxey | the .deb ones worked but I could not work out who to get dual monitors |
| 02:01.47 | jetx | SirFoxey: it's all in the xorg.conf |
| 02:01.56 | jetx | see my link |
| 02:02.09 | SirFoxey | So if i revert back i can get it |
| 02:02.12 | SirFoxey | ok will try that |
| 02:02.13 | jetx | yep |
| 02:02.18 | SirFoxey | prefer deb packages anyhow |
| 02:02.25 | SirFoxey | ok back to purging the crap and getting it installed |
| 02:02.41 | jetx | sh nvidia-whatever.run --uninstall |
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| 02:03.53 | Wyzard | matt7676: What did you use to configure your wireless interface and connect it to your wireless network? |
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| 02:04.40 | Stanlin | Hi Communist camerades |
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| 02:04.50 | PingFloyd | is intel the best way to go for video on linux? |
| 02:05.01 | abrotman | define "best" |
| 02:05.10 | nvz | hell no |
| 02:05.13 | PingFloyd | best support for 3d |
| 02:05.13 | WormFood | it depends on what you are doing |
| 02:05.17 | nvz | nvidia |
| 02:05.20 | WormFood | hell no! |
| 02:05.31 | jetx | SirFoxey: metamodes and twinview are the only ones you 'need' (iirc) |
| 02:05.44 | WormFood | what would possibly make you think intel could possibly be the best for 3d video? |
| 02:05.51 | nvz | intel suck balls period for graphics no matter what os |
| 02:05.58 | abrotman | nvz: not true |
| 02:06.00 | Wyzard | PingFloyd: Intel GPUs have a good free driver, but they don't have the performance of an nVidia or ATi GPU |
| 02:06.12 | nvz | nvidia works with everything |
| 02:06.21 | jetx | !nvz++ |
| 02:06.27 | abrotman | nvz: so i can use open source drivers with my nvidia card and have full 3d ? |
| 02:06.29 | PingFloyd | I'm wondering how much it has helped since they went open source |
| 02:06.48 | nvz | abrotman... well many things today only support one intel chipset |
| 02:06.50 | WormFood | I like nvidia over ati, because a while ago ati said they are not going to support Linux, and have no plans to support or help other support Linux....after that, I never bought ati again. |
| 02:06.55 | abrotman | nvz: many things? |
| 02:07.04 | nvz | they support almost all nvidia however |
| 02:07.17 | WormFood | obviously things have changed since then, but, I haven't changed my mind....I don't buy ati |
| 02:07.22 | Wyzard | WormFood: ATi has been releasing specs for their current GPUs to enable open-source developers to write a good free accelerated driver |
| 02:07.37 | jetx | heh |
| 02:07.38 | WormFood | that is nice Wyzard |
| 02:07.41 | jetx | is that what you call that |
| 02:08.03 | jetx | i call it 'they want to quit supporting older cards' |
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| 02:08.45 | PingFloyd | they could simply just pull the plug like anyone else does |
| 02:08.48 | abrotman | nvz: what is this "one chipset"? |
| 02:10.08 | jetx | hey so what do i cat to see what version pci-e slot i have |
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| 02:15.49 | WormFood | jetx, lspci may tel you |
| 02:16.35 | jetx | ah good point |
| 02:16.42 | WormFood | or dmesg may tell you |
| 02:16.52 | WormFood | I looked over both of mine, and I didn't see anything |
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| 02:17.31 | jetx | gah... ok libGL.so.1 is provided by.... |
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| 02:22.23 | jetx | well it's either libgl1-mesa-dri or libgl1-mesa-glx ... i'm leaning toward not the dri one |
| 02:22.27 | SirFoxey | woot nvidia working, now just to get m xorg.conf working as the link you sent doesn't seem to like my setup, thanks all |
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| 02:22.53 | jetx | SirFoxey: you need the metamodes and the twinview |
| 02:23.05 | jetx | you need to amend the stuff to suit your hardware though |
| 02:23.19 | jetx | SirFoxey: #nvidia can help you a lot more |
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| 02:26.01 | TiCPU | I want to install Debian to an embedded station which has 128mb flash, I'm currently trying to install emdebian using the Lenny Debian installer CD, select auto installation and add url=www.emdebian.org but I still get an installation far too big (~500mb) for the card... installation manual says 24mb!! |
| 02:26.17 | AussieGuy | im getting Starting web server (apache2)...[Thu May 07 22:20:45 2009] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts when I start apache. NameVirtualHost *:0 is nowhere in my configuration, ive searched in grep |
| 02:26.26 | nvz | abrotman the 945 |
| 02:26.31 | AussieGuy | all instances of NameVirtualHost point to my IP not *:0 |
| 02:26.40 | abrotman | nvz: that doesn't even make sense .. i don't have a 945 .. my 3d works fine |
| 02:26.57 | nvz | im on a cell driving btw |
| 02:27.21 | jetx | you're driving and typing on a midget keyboard? |
| 02:27.33 | jetx | !iq nvz |
| 02:27.40 | jetx | !moron nvz |
| 02:27.40 | dpkg | nvz: You are moron #33 |
| 02:27.44 | nvz | im just sayin look at secondlife.com for example under supported hw |
| 02:27.54 | abrotman | wow .. great sample .. |
| 02:28.09 | nvz | my iq is actually over 140 |
| 02:28.18 | jetx | dpkg says it's 33... :) |
| 02:28.18 | dpkg | jetx: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:28.31 | jetx | heh it's so low she can't tell :) |
| 02:28.45 | nvz | dpkg person? |
| 02:28.46 | dpkg | i heard person is like a bot, but squishier |
| 02:29.19 | abrotman | so the person with an IQ of 140 finds it okay to be on IRC while driving |
| 02:29.24 | jetx | gdit i can't kill ppl |
| 02:29.49 | jetx | note the iq tests got easier |
| 02:29.50 | nvz | hah im a certified professional... no worries |
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| 02:30.03 | abrotman | professional what? |
| 02:30.09 | jetx | broader average, based on more idiots born everyday.. lower standards... |
| 02:30.10 | jetx | :) |
| 02:30.29 | jetx | just kidding dude |
| 02:30.33 | jetx | you know i like you |
| 02:30.37 | matt7676 | Wyzard: sorry, I was away for a while. I used iwconfig to configure and connect to my wireless network |
| 02:31.54 | nvz | it guru... therefore i can handle a cell phone.. heh |
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| 02:32.25 | jetx | oh you're driving those tijuana taxi's at the amusement park |
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| 02:35.29 | jetx | omg streuner__ i'm sorry if i was ever mean to you, i didn't know ! |
| 02:35.32 | Wyzard | matt7676: the reason your wireless interface is the default is because you enabled it manually, more recently than any other interface |
| 02:35.35 | jetx | you're on dialup :/ |
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| 02:36.09 | Wyzard | matt7676: iwconfig is a low-level interface that doesn't save any configuration across restarts |
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| 02:37.16 | jetx | wow, konqueror as a web browser highlights my xorg.conf |
| 02:37.18 | Wyzard | matt7676: You'll probably want to use something like NetworkManager, which gives you a GUI frontend to your network interfaces, and configures the underlying interfaces (ifconfig, iwconfig, etc.) with the sort of policy you're expecting (wired networks are preferred when available) |
| 02:37.46 | jetx | speaking of, how do i have eth0 become 'managed' by network-manager |
| 02:37.54 | jetx | i forgot, did it once |
| 02:38.19 | Wyzard | jetx: If you have a stanza for it in /etc/network/interfaces, remove it |
| 02:38.32 | nvz | network manager used to be evil... but it seems ok now |
| 02:38.55 | jetx | that or comment out the auto, eh? i think last time i just commented it.. but ok, thanks! |
| 02:39.10 | jetx | nvz: seems to function |
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| 02:41.03 | nvz | yeah the issues seem to have been sorted out. i still do everything even mounting manually on my system. the automagic shit seems to be mature enough to work now though |
| 02:41.29 | shardz_ | how can i get network manager to look for wireless signal instead of asking for a SSID? |
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| 02:41.44 | jetx | all my other hd/partitions are noauto |
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| 02:41.50 | matt7676 | Wyzard: ok. Interesting situation will happen if I configure both interfaces manually- both will be added to the routing table and the network will not work. |
| 02:41.55 | nvz | i just dont feel like learning the new stuff enough to handle problems with it.... i know how to do it all manual |
| 02:42.04 | shardz_ | ive been having to keep reseting my DNS entries |
| 02:42.50 | jetx | whacks abrotman in the head with his cane |
| 02:43.11 | matt7676 | Wyzard: do you have any idea, why doesn't network work if both interfaces are associated with default gateway? |
| 02:43.11 | nvz | wifi radar works well for scanning dont know about nm though |
| 02:43.14 | SirFoxey | thanks jetx all sorted. I have my display just right |
| 02:43.15 | jetx | damn uppity young whippersnapper |
| 02:43.18 | hacker_kid | i need to monitor system resources directly (not through top or htop) what files can i read? i know /proc/meminfo but i also need cpu consumption and nic activity |
| 02:43.24 | SirFoxey | now to get the rest of my install nicely setu[ |
| 02:43.29 | SirFoxey | setup even |
| 02:43.36 | jetx | SirFoxey: \o/ |
| 02:43.43 | Wyzard | matt7676: Having two default routes shouldn't be a problem |
| 02:43.51 | jetx | metric |
| 02:44.04 | Wyzard | matt7676: Only one of them will actually be used -- I don't remember if it's the first one or the last one -- but there's no harm in having the other |
| 02:44.09 | jetx | what happens if they'r eweighted the same |
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| 02:44.31 | jetx | first one it sees? |
| 02:44.46 | Wyzard | jetx: or the last; I'm not sure |
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| 02:44.47 | jetx | oh nm |
| 02:44.59 | jetx | you already answered the question before i asked |
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| 02:47.09 | nvz | wow ok ircing while driving is a bad thing. |
| 02:47.24 | matt7676 | Wyzard: that is wierd. I have "0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0" and "0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ath0" and network doesn't work. i have to delete one of those entries to be able to ping remote hosts. |
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| 02:48.27 | jetx | !paste |
| 02:48.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 02:48.36 | jetx | chatzilla? |
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| 02:50.10 | pecar | hi . How can i stop apache? |
| 02:50.22 | jetx | //etc/init.d/apache stop i think |
| 02:50.55 | jetx | but that might be the dangerous way |
| 02:50.56 | twolane | pecar: probably /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 02:50.56 | pecar | ok thanks |
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| 02:51.06 | jetx | i was wondering if it's named 2 |
| 02:51.14 | jetx | 'provides apache' |
| 02:52.33 | jetx | just think: if my vid card was 3d SUPPORTED i wouldn't be here being chatty.. i'd be killing ppl and loving it |
| 02:53.00 | abrotman | don't your kids have a PS3 or something ? |
| 02:53.13 | jetx | actually laughs out loud |
| 02:53.25 | jetx | i'm a frickin granddad now abrotman |
| 02:53.29 | abrotman | nintendo 8-bit ? |
| 02:53.30 | jetx | they moved out |
| 02:53.38 | abrotman | oh .. i thought you still had one at home |
| 02:53.54 | jetx | well actually, she moved back in.. and her baby, and her husband... :/ |
| 02:54.00 | abrotman | fun! |
| 02:54.04 | jetx | yeah babye |
| 02:54.09 | shardz_ | what repositoru do i need for adobe flash? |
| 02:54.16 | abrotman | !tell shardz_ about dmm |
| 02:54.16 | Wyzard | shardz_: non-free |
| 02:54.17 | jetx | !dmm |
| 02:54.17 | dpkg | dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 02:54.27 | abrotman | Wyzard: not in lenny |
| 02:54.29 | Wyzard | oh, but dmm for stable |
| 02:54.31 | Wyzard | forgot about that |
| 02:54.32 | jetx | contrib, non-free and dmm |
| 02:54.59 | jetx | apt-cache search mozilla|grep plug after you fix it up in sources |
| 02:55.12 | jetx | for browser |
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| 02:55.43 | jetx | there used to be some stand alone flash thingy |
| 02:55.53 | shardz_ | thank you abrotman |
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| 02:56.42 | kolpur | the latest update of debian 5.0.1 size is only 1.4GB .. will i be able to install it on new system ? i meant a fresh install .. |
| 02:57.21 | jetx | you need to be more clear. |
| 02:57.21 | kolpur | i'm talking about the DEBIAN DVD 5.0.1 |
| 02:57.35 | jetx | why would you think you couldn't install it |
| 02:57.36 | abrotman | there's an update image |
| 02:57.38 | kolpur | i want to install debian on my system .. |
| 02:58.10 | jetx | you're wondering if your new computer hardware is supported? |
| 02:58.19 | kolpur | i thought it was an update on a 5.0 that can be done on debian 5.0 system .. |
| 02:59.05 | kolpur | presently i'm using ubuntu 9.04 ... but didn't like it much .. so i wanted to switch back to debian |
| 02:59.05 | jetx | oh. you just need to aptitude upgrade, or use the dvd as a source |
| 02:59.10 | jetx | ahh |
| 02:59.48 | jetx | the dvd.iso you d/l is a full install image, yes, not just an upgrade |
| 02:59.51 | streuner__ | kolpur: why? |
| 03:00.03 | jetx | note there are 5 dvd's total |
| 03:00.39 | jetx | is that what you were wondering? or am i wrounge |
| 03:00.39 | streuner | kolpur: Whats wrong with ubuntu? |
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| 03:00.55 | jetx | it's irritating |
| 03:00.58 | estres | hay algun español despierto aca? |
| 03:01.02 | jetx | !es |
| 03:01.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:01.03 | streuner | !es |
| 03:01.18 | jetx | habla con derek |
| 03:01.22 | kolpur | there's not much significant update in that version |
| 03:01.23 | jetx | o todo |
| 03:01.35 | jetx | s |
| 03:01.37 | kolpur | its slowly becoming a propreitary alternative |
| 03:01.50 | kolpur | more n more support for propreitary hardware .. |
| 03:02.07 | jetx | drm enabled? |
| 03:02.25 | jetx | ooo |
| 03:02.46 | kolpur | not drm enabled but still i feel its slowly moving out of the FREE SOFTWARE principles |
| 03:02.47 | jetx | they could maybe get some market share if they did drm and got backing from vendors et al |
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| 03:03.22 | jetx | bsd based |
| 03:03.33 | jetx | hmmm |
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| 03:09.02 | jetx | wonders if jmoncayo got his team speak working |
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| 03:15.13 | jmoncayo | didnt get it to work |
| 03:15.15 | jmoncayo | :( |
| 03:15.21 | jmoncayo | i uninstalled that shit |
| 03:17.20 | jmoncayo | i remember once google-ing for the ts i came across a deb package made by some user who said it would fix the problem, but i lost the url |
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| 03:26.54 | SirFoxey | /b 14 |
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| 03:30.49 | luke3321 | Wyzard: That apt transition in testing is over |
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| 03:32.19 | Wyzard | Good, that was quick |
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| 03:32.42 | luke3321 | And I looked at why apt wanted to remove all those packages |
| 03:33.17 | luke3321 | Turns out gnome-desktop-environment and rhythmbox had the auto flag on |
| 03:33.25 | luke3321 | Go figure |
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| 03:43.13 | Taram | hi.... I have problems with iceweasel+flsh player....for example I can not see the "Play" for the prolog on this webpage: http://www.wdr5.de/tore-der-welt.html ...I only read: Unsere Videos können Sie mit dem Macromedia Flash-Player ab der Version 8.0 ansehen. bla bla... please goto |
| 03:43.13 | Taram | http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer_de |
| 03:43.30 | Taram | has someone here an idea? |
| 03:43.46 | luke3321 | Taram: Do you have the flash plugin installed? |
| 03:43.52 | jetx | what exactly did you install, flash related |
| 03:44.19 | Taram | apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:44.26 | Taram | that should work |
| 03:44.29 | Elmoe | Are there any known issues with Gecko based browsers in unstable at the moment? After a dist-upgrade both firefox and epipahny-browser hang attempting the syscall futex |
| 03:44.33 | jmoncayo | Taram: try the flashplugin 10 |
| 03:44.40 | jmoncayo | Taram: version 9 sucks really bad |
| 03:44.41 | Elmoe | not sure what Gecko is trying to obtain a lock on |
| 03:44.42 | Trey__ | gotta have the repositorys |
| 03:44.54 | Trey__ | debian-multimedia i think |
| 03:44.56 | jetx | Elmoe: works fine here |
| 03:45.05 | Taram | yes debian-multimedia |
| 03:45.07 | Elmoe | jetx: your unstable is current? |
| 03:45.14 | jetx | always |
| 03:45.17 | Elmoe | huh |
| 03:45.55 | Elmoe | strace on both firefox and epiphany-browser hangs at: futex(0x7fff8b3212f0, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 4294967293, NULL |
| 03:45.55 | jetx | Elmoe: two different boxes, too |
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| 03:46.11 | Taram | by the way on the adobe page only an ubuntu deb file is given...does that work?? |
| 03:46.19 | jetx | no |
| 03:46.25 | jmoncayo | Taram: google debian, flashplayer |
| 03:46.25 | jetx | well i don't know but i wouldn't try |
| 03:46.27 | jmoncayo | first link |
| 03:46.40 | Elmoe | if only apt had a rollback feature |
| 03:46.51 | luke3321 | Taram: It would work, but dont try it, it can lead to problems down the road |
| 03:46.58 | jetx | it does... tar -options.... |
| 03:47.11 | jetx | that was a joke |
| 03:47.24 | jetx | you may laugh now |
| 03:47.26 | jmoncayo | thats why aptitude is better |
| 03:47.27 | jmoncayo | =] |
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| 03:48.32 | Elmoe | I need to figure out what futex Gecko is blocking on indefinately |
| 03:48.44 | jetx | Elmoe: one is a clean install, the other has crap from woody laying around, kinda |
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| 03:49.03 | mentor | Yay! I finally managed to disable DSA auth for ssh |
| 03:49.12 | jetx | \o/ |
| 03:49.21 | jetx | hopes that's a good thing |
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| 03:50.01 | jetx | /// |
| 03:50.24 | jetx | but // doesn't show |
| 03:50.26 | mentor | You remember the huge issue with OpenSSL in Debian? |
| 03:50.31 | mentor | / |
| 03:50.33 | mentor | // |
| 03:50.38 | mentor | /// |
| 03:50.40 | jetx | irssi |
| 03:50.45 | mentor | Xchat |
| 03:50.50 | mentor | That was 2 to 5 |
| 03:50.56 | mentor | odd |
| 03:50.59 | jetx | yeah xchat two //'s it ignores the first |
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| 03:51.13 | jetx | i never tried more |
| 03:51.25 | mentor | Well, anyway, no random numbers in Debian |
| 03:51.51 | jetx | oh... no i missed that openssl thingy |
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| 03:52.16 | mentor | Which showed up the (designed) property of DSA that if you ever reuse a nonce, then calculating the private key is Trivial |
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| 03:57.52 | magyar | when will 2.6.28 be in testing? |
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| 03:58.30 | simonrvn | !wir |
| 03:58.30 | dpkg | methinks wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh> |
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| 03:59.29 | jetx | never |
| 03:59.41 | jetx | seriously |
| 03:59.56 | magyar | awsome |
| 04:00.12 | jetx | it's gone. .29 is the thing now |
| 04:01.05 | magyar | i remember times when fairly new kernels used to be available in testing |
| 04:01.23 | jetx | yeah, .28 jus tdidn't last long enough, .29 was ready quick |
| 04:01.25 | jetx | afaict |
| 04:01.35 | jetx | i've seen it with one other kernel that i can remember |
| 04:01.43 | jetx | usually though they do make it to testing |
| 04:02.06 | magyar | anywho, i am pootched with a radeon 4780. Anyone has one of these beasts? |
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| 04:12.31 | Dominicus | I'm wanting to access a mirror server that isn't the debian primary repository servers. I've tried apt-spy, but that looks broken. I've also tried, netselect-apt, but my command of "sudo netselect-apt -f -n -s testing" just gives me some sort of *.at domain name that seems kind of slow to access from Florida (in the US). Can anyone suggest a faster more reliable way of optimizing for a... |
| 04:12.33 | Dominicus | ...faster mirror? |
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| 04:15.32 | Ricky_RocK | can i know what site are hosted by this ip 194.146.224.100 ? |
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| 04:16.01 | stew | rastafreund: not definitively, without talking with the admins of that site |
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| 04:19.37 | pobega | Dominicus: apt-spy broken? How are you using it? `apt-spy -d distribution -a 'North-America'` |
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| 04:20.54 | Dominicus | pobega: I wasn't trying to invoke it like that. But, when i went to go purge it, it wouldn't let me purge it using aptitude. it was weird, i had to rm the /etc/apt/sources.list.d folder before i could purge it from my system. I'll try again, thanks. |
| 04:21.48 | jmoncayo | !update |
| 04:21.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, update is apt-get update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade or before looking for stuff with apt-cache search. |
| 04:22.13 | jmoncayo | !upgrade |
| 04:22.13 | dpkg | it has been said that upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security', or if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first Ask me about <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> |
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| 04:23.23 | jetx | apt-spy was broken before, months ago in sid |
| 04:23.33 | jetx | but i imagine they fixed it by no |
| 04:23.35 | jetx | w |
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| 04:24.05 | jmoncayo | whats squeeze? |
| 04:24.41 | jetx | testing |
| 04:24.45 | jetx | atm |
| 04:25.02 | jetx | one day it will grow up to be stable |
| 04:25.15 | jmoncayo | ohh oki |
| 04:25.22 | jmoncayo | i better stick to lenny then |
| 04:25.49 | jetx | used to be, a testing box was good for a desktop.. atm i dunno about that |
| 04:26.06 | jetx | just not sure |
| 04:28.25 | jmoncayo | whats the latest stable kernel for lenny? 2.6.29? |
| 04:28.55 | jetx | 2.6.26-something i think.. -2 |
| 04:29.04 | debam | hi to all, i am getting error for wireless connection as ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 04:30.55 | ananthgs | jmoncayo: 2.6.26-1-686 , 2.6.26-2-686, 2.6.26-6-686 |
| 04:32.15 | jmoncayo | ohhh 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 04:32.46 | ananthgs | jmoncayo: yes if it is a x_64 architecture |
| 04:33.33 | jmoncayo | =] |
| 04:34.26 | ananthgs | debam: check this link http://siso.sourceforge.net/wireless-linux.html |
| 04:35.30 | debam | ananthgs, wpa_supplicant negotiated the key means what??/ |
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| 04:37.18 | ananthgs | debam: you got to import a certificate for your Wifi to work |
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| 04:37.53 | debam | ananthgs, how to import ? |
| 04:37.58 | mentor | have to |
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| 04:39.33 | ananthgs | debam: Ask your wi-fi provider. How would I know.? :-) |
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| 04:39.58 | ananthgs | debam: every wi-fi provider will have a security certificate |
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| 04:41.56 | enouf | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-686 --release lenny |
| 04:41.58 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-686 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 |
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| 04:42.27 | enouf | judd: versions linux-image-2.6 --release lenny --arch amd64 |
| 04:42.27 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6 -- |
| 04:42.39 | enouf | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-amd64 --release lenny --arch amd64 |
| 04:42.40 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-amd64 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 |
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| 04:51.23 | shivraj | how can you tell genisoiamge to include all dirs fro [A-G] ? |
| 04:51.30 | shivraj | that start with that dir name |
| 04:51.44 | Manoj | set -x does not work with kernel image package maintainer scripts, since theya re not shell scripts |
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| 04:52.50 | ReKlipz | Hey all. I've got a question about using mdadm. I've currently got an install of debian on my NAS box. It has a small drive containing a boot partition, and a 4 disk RAID (using mdadm) that contains /. I would like to keep /var/abcd/ , but perform a clean install of debian lenny on the raid. Is this possible without first backing up /var/abcd/? |
| 04:54.55 | ReKlipz | maybe performing a complete reinstall is not necessary, but it seems the box is completely fubar. nvidia drivers not playing nicely anymore, adobe flash 64bit no good, sound is messed. are there any easier alternatives |
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| 04:55.31 | enouf | shivraj: $(find /path -name '[A-G]' -type d) ? |
| 04:56.28 | shivraj | enouf: looks about right, ... |
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| 04:56.40 | shivraj | but Im using A* B* C* ... easier :) |
| 04:56.48 | enouf | shivraj: er .., use '[A-G]*' |
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| 04:56.52 | rodge666 | be really impressed |
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| 04:58.13 | faffi | I have an intel graphics card and i'm trying to setup dual displays using my dvi monitor and vga tv with xrandr |
| 04:58.31 | enouf | !dual monitors |
| 04:58.31 | dpkg | For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/10/setting_up_dual_monitors_system-wide_with_xrandr_on_debian_lenny/, http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2. Or ask me about <dual monitors etch> and <xrandr> |
| 04:58.37 | faffi | for whatever reason, the VGA connection is being used as the default and when i use xrandr to extend my desktop over, it moves my taskbar to that side |
| 04:58.43 | faffi | ive read it already |
| 04:58.46 | faffi | or else i wouldnt be asking here |
| 04:59.43 | faffi | I have the dual display setup, my taskbar is being moved over to the VGA connection |
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| 05:01.24 | negge | I have a really old laptop that has a non-bootable CD-ROM, no floppy drive and no Ethernet. I want to install Linux on it, so I thought it should be possible to remove the harddrive, put it in another computer, install it then put it back in. Would this owkr? |
| 05:01.50 | faffi | negge: USB boot? |
| 05:01.58 | faffi | probably too old for that too |
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| 05:06.00 | negge | faffi: it doesn't have USB either.It's an old IBM Thinkpad 365XD, it has some weird IBM proprietary external floppy port on the back but I don't think I can find a suitable drive for it |
| 05:06.45 | faffi | negge: you can get a pcmcia card to ethernet >_> |
| 05:07.08 | ajavid | hey guys |
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| 05:07.26 | negge | faffi: I have that but it can't boot from it |
| 05:07.28 | ajavid | sup |
| 05:08.00 | negge | faffi: I have Windows 95 on it at the moment and I'm looking at "loadlin" which supposedly would work ... |
| 05:09.26 | Hodapp | windows 95? holy shit, get this guy some whiskey |
| 05:09.38 | negge | :D |
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| 05:12.37 | debam | ananthgs, but in windows without giving any certificate it is working.. |
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| 05:13.35 | debam | ananthgs, in debian i am able to ping what ip i assigned to ra0 ..but unable to ping DNS ip |
| 05:15.04 | TiMiDo | aaron@darkplanet:~$ consolechars -f lat0-16.psf |
| 05:15.04 | TiMiDo | set_kernel_font: Operation not permitted |
| 05:15.08 | TiMiDo | how may i change this? |
| 05:15.34 | Firestarter | is there a way to get dosemu to run in konsole withought it opening a dos in a box window? |
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| 05:22.10 | amitz | Firestarter: do you want to run a DOS application? |
| 05:22.53 | Firestarter | no just want to load dosemu command line and do some dos stuff |
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| 05:23.43 | amitz | Firestarter: I forgot about dosemu but you can run some dos instruction/application using dosbox directly. |
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| 05:24.14 | amitz | without opening a box window |
| 05:24.55 | amitz | well, it will open the box window but the program will be run immediately... I think. |
| 05:25.23 | Firestarter | Any way to prevent the dos box windows running completely? |
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| 05:26.19 | nkuttler | Firestarter: man dosemu |
| 05:26.34 | amitz | Firestarter: almost certainly yeah since there exist a dosbox interface that can run dosbox without opening a box console. |
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| 05:27.13 | Firestarter | will check out man dosemu I was just looking at the -h command. |
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| 05:40.01 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 05:44.38 | ryanCH1 | what is that tool that securely deletes files? |
| 05:44.58 | ryanCH1 | CLI tool that is |
| 05:45.07 | mentor | !tell ryanCH1 about search |
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| 05:52.29 | djcip | what's that website that lets you google something.. then does a cute animation of it |
| 05:52.46 | djcip | you send the person a link to your google... shows them how much of a dumbass you are |
| 05:52.51 | djcip | err they are |
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| 05:54.20 | mosno | djcip: do you realise the irony of your question... |
| 05:54.35 | djcip | i do... none of the phrases i type in google are helping |
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| 05:54.51 | mosno | djcip: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=let+me+google+that+for+you |
| 05:55.03 | djcip | ur a dick you know that |
| 05:55.09 | djcip | and very clever :D |
| 05:55.11 | djcip | thank you |
| 05:55.15 | mosno | djcip: :-) |
| 05:55.25 | mosno | djcip: yw |
| 05:55.45 | djcip | :D |
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| 05:58.42 | debam | hi to all, what RT61: RfIcType= 3 means?? |
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| 06:03.10 | amitz | debian default installation has www-data user with uid/gid 33/33. If I create a /home/www-data and set the owner/groupowner to www-data/www-data, will I make the result... undebian? Or is there a debian way to do that? Or at least a linux way? |
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| 06:03.23 | debam | enouf, hi ..i am not able to use wireless card in debain .. |
| 06:03.25 | Vasistha | my cpu is pegged running famd, very strange. |
| 06:03.39 | debam | enouf, in dmesg shows RT61: RfIcType= 3 |
| 06:04.12 | enouf | Vasistha: to be expected actually :-p |
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| 06:04.57 | enouf | radio freq location type = 3 ? .. who knows, i sure don't |
| 06:04.59 | neosmatrix | hi, I use Debian 64bit with 8 GB ram. The Ram usage I see doesn't go above 3,5GB with my default applications I use, but I always see about 1GB swap usage. Why do applications use swap space? |
| 06:05.38 | enouf | because they're all bloat |
| 06:05.46 | goksin | neosmatrix: try bigmem kernel, it is in repos |
| 06:06.13 | enouf | if free shows all 8G, that isn';t the problem |
| 06:06.41 | Vasistha | enouf: it took konversation 2 minutes to start, and this is a 1.8 GHz machine |
| 06:06.44 | enouf | and amd64 doesn't use -bigmem kernels |
| 06:06.56 | enouf | Vasistha: yikes .. |
| 06:07.13 | enouf | Vasistha: you sound like me now :-P |
| 06:07.19 | Vasistha | enouf: yeah, it's really pegged. |
| 06:07.57 | Vasistha | I am wondering if it's due to wine, or ... I dunno. |
| 06:08.56 | neosmatrix | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m7f9d3076 looks ok for me, but I can't understand the swap usage |
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| 06:11.56 | Vasistha | enouf: hmm, someone on the internet recommends removing fam :) I just may do that |
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| 06:12.54 | nkuttler | doesn't install anything that depends on fam |
| 06:14.05 | Vasistha | what really puzzles me is that Dad had several support requests, but this was *not* one of them |
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| 06:16.21 | tuxinator | hi |
| 06:16.44 | tuxinator | really huge troubles again after some months with oom-killer on etch and a half |
| 06:16.56 | tuxinator | see http://pastebin.com/d533d129c for details |
| 06:17.14 | tansell | Where is a good place to ask questions about debian packaging version numbers? |
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| 06:18.01 | Vasistha | tansell: you can try in here |
| 06:18.20 | Vasistha | tansell: I once saw a web page describing it |
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| 06:20.40 | StuckMojo | morning |
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| 06:22.39 | StuckMojo | anyone know how to stop the current sid kernel from loading a module? /etc/hotplug/blacklist (hotplug isn't even installed anymore) and /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf are not stopping it from loading agpgart and amd64_agp... |
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| 06:23.11 | StuckMojo | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.32 | StuckMojo | i want to get the nvidia binary driver to use NvAGP, but it can't when agpgart is loaded |
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| 06:26.50 | tuxinator | seems to be related to iscsi |
| 06:27.08 | StuckMojo | aha, found out how: http://miclass.wordpress.com/2009/04/19/debian-kernel-module-blacklisting/ |
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| 06:27.26 | StuckMojo | well, real source is: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
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| 06:28.50 | enouf | neosmatrix: try adding this to /etc/sysctl.conf 'vm.swappiness = 10' |
| 06:29.14 | enouf | neosmatrix: actually , right now, cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
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| 06:38.05 | tisc | hello ! |
| 06:38.20 | tisc | is it possible to update libc6 on etch ? |
| 06:39.37 | Supaplex | have you ever use aptitude update? |
| 06:40.29 | enouf | tisc: if you upgrade etch's libc6 to something else, it's no longer etch |
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| 06:41.33 | visof | hello |
| 06:41.41 | Supaplex | greetings |
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| 06:42.09 | visof | i installed another fonts for new language , how can i switch between the English and the other ? |
| 06:42.21 | visof | is there a specific command ? |
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| 06:43.21 | kevin8x | dpkg-reconfigure locales?? |
| 06:43.58 | at0m | for some reason flash support in my machine's firefox broke down again /o\ |
| 06:44.38 | at0m | even worse, ff crashes when a site has some flash |
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| 06:46.10 | at0m | i remember from last time it took ages to set up, but now i forgot cos it'd been working great for quite a while |
| 06:46.44 | visof | kevin8x i did , but which keys should i press now to switch between the two ? |
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| 06:47.44 | at0m | visof, for keyboard input? |
| 06:47.55 | visof | yeah |
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| 06:48.46 | at0m | visof, check your window manager's settings (gnome/kde config) |
| 06:49.01 | visof | at0m i'm using fluxbox |
| 06:49.12 | visof | what if i want to use xmonad |
| 06:49.18 | visof | or any wm |
| 06:49.19 | enouf | visof: you set up xorg.conf Xkboptiond and Xoptions |
| 06:49.31 | enouf | or let some DE applet handle it |
| 06:49.42 | visof | what is DE ? |
| 06:49.53 | enouf | nm |
| 06:50.09 | enouf | set up xorg.conf Xkboptions and Xoptions |
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| 06:51.50 | enouf | for ex; Option "XkbLayout" "us,de" |
| 06:52.03 | enouf | Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle" |
| 06:52.23 | visof | enouf where that file exactly ? |
| 06:52.24 | enouf | # pressing alt+shift toggles the languages |
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| 06:52.52 | enouf | at /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 06:57.24 | tisc | enouf: yes, thanks for confirmation... :) I'm in a shit :] |
| 06:57.47 | tisc | Supaplex: no aptitude in a term |
| 06:57.49 | enouf | no backport available tisc ? |
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| 06:59.04 | tisc | backport ? ... surfing/reading/learning... |
| 06:59.13 | tisc | huummm |
| 06:59.13 | tisc | http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php |
| 06:59.20 | tisc | reading/learning... |
| 06:59.26 | enouf | !ssb |
| 06:59.26 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 07:00.30 | enouf | well .. from etch -> sid now no longer applies, really meant only for Stable (Lenny) |
| 07:01.07 | enouf | oldstable <-> sid == fat chance :-p |
| 07:01.13 | tisc | not sure to good understand what is backport... |
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| 07:01.35 | enouf | what's this mystery pkg you need? |
| 07:02.00 | tisc | ... clamav... |
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| 07:03.09 | enouf | tisc: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=etch-backports§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=clamav |
| 07:03.24 | tisc | enouf: clamav need libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) ... and etch use >= 2.3.6-2 |
| 07:03.25 | tisc | enouf: clamav need libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) ... and etch use 2.3.6-2 |
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| 07:04.08 | tisc | enouf: ok... so if I good understand... this link explained to me the latest version of clamav I can install on my etch is 0.94 :) |
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| 07:04.24 | enouf | dep: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) [i386] |
| 07:04.33 | tisc | enouf: I think I understand what is backport now... you really help me ! thks |
| 07:04.47 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/clamav |
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| 07:05.15 | enouf | looks like version; Package: clamav (0.94.dfsg.2-1~bpo40+1) [backports] |
| 07:05.50 | hmtt | hi all, how can i separeta users like in chroot jails but dont use chroot? is there any other methon? |
| 07:05.57 | hmtt | er, method |
| 07:06.28 | enouf | use VMs ? |
| 07:06.37 | tisc | enouf: cool ! libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1) for clamav (0.94.dfsg.2-1~bpo40+1) [backports] |
| 07:06.55 | tisc | enouf: thks again |
| 07:06.55 | Supaplex | chants "vserver" |
| 07:06.55 | hmtt | enouf, i search something lite |
| 07:07.08 | enouf | tisc: no prob - glad to help |
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| 07:07.20 | xingu | hmtt: schroot ? |
| 07:07.33 | tisc | <enouf> what's this mystery pkg you need? :)) |
| 07:07.57 | hmtt | schroot? i never hear about thad, i use ssh + chroot is this the same? |
| 07:08.04 | enouf | tisc: listen ; * dep: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1) [not alpha, i386, ia64] means NOT those arches |
| 07:08.23 | enouf | i386 requires <enouf> dep: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) [i386] |
| 07:09.03 | tisc | enouf: oulla... |
| 07:09.17 | enouf | forgot about schroot outdoing dchroot |
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| 07:10.15 | tisc | enouf: but apt-get update && apt-get upgrade don't purpose me to update my libc6 from 2.3.6-2 to 2.3.6-6 ... ! checking again... |
| 07:10.26 | enouf | tisc: installing from / using backports.org would pull in a newer libc6 on i386 |
| 07:10.45 | enouf | tisc: /msg dpkg backports.org |
| 07:10.56 | enouf | follow instructions |
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| 07:12.35 | enouf | Now .. just to confuse the matter further; |
| 07:12.36 | tisc | enouf: I have amd64 on this serveur... |
| 07:12.37 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/etch-volatile/clamav |
| 07:12.59 | enouf | etch-volatile has an even NEWER version of clamav :-P |
| 07:14.09 | Trey__ | is there a good program for getting rid of package bloat? |
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| 07:14.22 | tisc | yes, I known, it's my prob... i uninstall my previous becauses problems of sockets... and reinstall said NO :) |
| 07:14.22 | enouf | uninstall them :-p |
| 07:14.36 | Trey__ | besides synaptic... something to show me what packages i have installed and ... i dunno |
| 07:14.56 | enouf | dpkg -l --get-selections ? |
| 07:14.56 | dpkg | No packages found matching --get-selections |
| 07:14.56 | Trey__ | i dont want to break my system again |
| 07:15.08 | enouf | er ... |
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| 07:15.36 | enouf | dpkg --get-selections > pkgs-installed-list.txt ? |
| 07:15.37 | dpkg | enouf: I give up, what is it? |
| 07:15.43 | enouf | heh |
| 07:16.29 | enouf | or; grep-status -FStatus -sPackage,Version -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort -n | less |
| 07:17.36 | enouf | !aptitude clone |
| 07:17.36 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>. <debian clone> |
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| 07:18.57 | peterrooney | aptitude clone doesn' |
| 07:19.14 | peterrooney | t preserve any configuration changes |
| 07:19.46 | dondelelcaro | peterrooney: it's a new machine, so it can't. |
| 07:19.55 | dondelelcaro | peterrooney: if you want to preserve them, tar and untar /etc |
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| 07:23.46 | Supaplex | I wish I had thought of that 30 minutes ago. That's a great way to compare configs between boxes. :) |
| 07:23.57 | Supaplex | update, upgrade, clone, compare. |
| 07:24.23 | maxagaz | when i add a group, a user of the same name is automatically added if it doesn't exist ? |
| 07:25.43 | Supaplex | what's the embedded debian called? |
| 07:26.19 | enouf | emdebian ? |
| 07:27.14 | Supaplex | thanks. :) |
| 07:27.20 | Supaplex | I was spelling it wrong :P |
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| 07:34.16 | enouf | 99:1 says the error was not 'emdebain', but 'embedian' :-P |
| 07:34.36 | enouf | !8ball am i right? |
| 07:34.37 | dpkg | Negative. |
| 07:34.49 | enouf | ~spank 8ball |
| 07:34.49 | apt | ACTION bends 8ball over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on 8ball's pasty white buttocks. |
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| 07:48.55 | rbo_ | hello! there's no clock file on Debian? |
| 07:49.37 | sep | rbo_, what would the clock file do ? |
| 07:51.12 | simonrvn | witf is a clock file? |
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| 07:55.39 | xingu | clock tockin' chuck shockin flavor flav ain't never shavin |
| 07:55.45 | RattusRattus | morning all. has anyone seen somthing akin to the following error? EXT3-fs error (device sdb1): ext3_new_block: Allocating block in system zone - blocks from 622827, length 1 |
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| 08:02.25 | rbo_ | sep: conf |
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| 08:02.50 | enouf | the clocks will have a conference? |
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| 08:03.57 | sep | rbo_, if you explain what the clock file should do. we can tell you what serve that purpose in debian. if you insist on beeing vauge then the answer is "correct there is no clock file" |
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| 08:08.34 | josei_ | xDDD |
| 08:08.49 | liable | no thanks, but we dont mind if you do ;) |
| 08:08.56 | rbo_ | sep: i'm trying to resolve 'select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out' error. |
| 08:09.13 | josei_ | sorry |
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| 08:09.32 | liable | no need to apoligise |
| 08:10.38 | rbo_ | sep: in Gentoo htere is /etc/conf.d/clock to set CLOCK, TIMEZONE |
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| 08:13.40 | sep | rbo_, you get that error when you run hwclock ? |
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| 08:17.56 | rbo_ | sep: exactly |
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| 08:18.08 | rbo_ | hwclock --systohc |
| 08:18.10 | sep | rbo_, what does hwclock --directisa do ? |
| 08:18.16 | sep | rbo_, what does hwclock --systohc --directisa |
| 08:18.26 | mxmx | hi |
| 08:18.43 | mxmx | does anyone know how to recover mysqladmin pasword in root? |
| 08:19.08 | rbo_ | sep: 1. return time, 2. return null |
| 08:19.17 | sep | rbo_, so it worked then ? |
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| 08:19.46 | kiraa | hey guys... when I try to access my cable modem's settings page using Iceweasel or epiphany, the page doesnt behave normally... I used to use IE to get it to work properly, what browser under debian can I use to load that page properly? |
| 08:19.54 | sep | you can add " --directisa" on the HWCLOCKPARS line on /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh and /etc/init.d/hwclockfirst.sh |
| 08:20.04 | rbo_ | sep: nope, hwclock --systohc return select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 08:20.25 | liable | kiraa: i would imagine it uses java, do you have that installed? |
| 08:20.34 | kiraa | I do |
| 08:20.36 | sep | rbo_, nd hwclock --systohc --directisa did what ? |
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| 08:20.52 | rbo_ | sep: nd? |
| 08:20.54 | liable | kiraa: what doesnt it do properly? |
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| 08:21.02 | sep | it set your hardware clock from the system clock ! |
| 08:21.09 | enouf | rbo_: does /dev/rtc* exist? |
| 08:21.09 | kiraa | liable: navigate pages |
| 08:21.28 | rbo_ | sep: nothing happened |
| 08:21.47 | rbo_ | enouf: yes |
| 08:21.49 | sep | rbo_, no errors = success |
| 08:21.54 | rbo_ | enouf: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 10, 135 2009-02-20 11:52 /dev/rtc |
| 08:22.09 | kiraa | liable: lemme see what version of java is installed |
| 08:22.32 | rbo_ | sep: but why can't i hwclock --systohc? |
| 08:22.46 | liable | kiraa: java is enabled in your browser? i'm a bit of a tard in this field, not sure why else it wouldn't work. |
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| 08:23.24 | kiraa | liable: under windows, even when I used firefox, the pages didnt behave well... ONLY under IE they worked properly |
| 08:23.45 | sep | bug in the rtc driver? issues with the motherboard, eddies in the time space continuum , murphy sabotaging you ? |
| 08:23.58 | liable | kiraa: ugh, its not a microsoft modem is it ;) |
| 08:24.05 | sep | rbo_, point is if you use the alternative way to talk to the hardware clock it works. |
| 08:24.36 | rbo_ | k |
| 08:24.38 | rbo_ | tnx |
| 08:24.40 | liable | kiraa: if it doesn't work in firefox even on windows, i would imagine google might have some idea. |
| 08:24.49 | kiraa | liable: DLink DCM-202 |
| 08:24.55 | sep | rbo_, so put --directisa in the HWCLOCKPARS line on the 2 boot scripts hwclock.sh and hwclockfirst.sh |
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| 08:26.33 | sep | rbo_, you could optinally put HWCLOCKPARS=--directisa into /etc/default/rcS ; |
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| 08:31.15 | rbo_ | sep: thanx |
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| 08:32.05 | rbo_ | ntp was installe, but time is different on two machines: "Fri May 8 10:35:33 CEST 2009", "Fri May 8 10:30:36 CEST 2009". why? |
| 08:33.00 | unop | rbo_, was ntp used to sync time with an NTP server? |
| 08:34.02 | tarzeau | rbo_: it takes time to fix the time, it doesn't just fix it so you don't have a time jump |
| 08:34.32 | rbo_ | unop: how to make sure? |
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| 08:35.32 | unop | rbo_, ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 08:35.42 | rbo_ | unop: i don't use ntpdate |
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| 08:38.33 | rgdfgte | is it possible to feed somebody with fake ntp data? |
| 08:39.15 | jimcooncat | Package namespace questions: Is there a reserved prefix for packages that are used only locally, like "custom-"? Is there a maximum recommended length for naming packages? Is there a way to register a package name with the community? |
| 08:39.25 | tarzeau | rgdfgte: sure, but why? |
| 08:39.49 | jimcooncat | I've been looking for docs on this and haven't had luck yet |
| 08:39.52 | rgdfgte | people do something without reasons |
| 08:40.06 | ltune | hi, do you know why the flashplugin (v10) crashes the browsers? (tested it on galeon and iceweasel, testing, kernel 2.6.26-2 minimal number of packages to run xorg) |
| 08:40.37 | rgdfgte | for example, why did a sucker try to crash your pc with nonsense packets? no answer |
| 08:40.50 | tarzeau | ltune: because it's buggy, adobe software? |
| 08:41.32 | ltune | tarzeau, yep, it worked fine with unstable on my other machine.. i tried to run it on my "new" machine to listen in on youtube.. |
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| 08:42.28 | ltune | i dont know, it s just a plugin why it makes a big crash than? |
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| 08:43.02 | ltune | it tries to to write or read from forbidden sectors of the ram... |
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| 08:45.06 | ltune | what do you use to watch youtube? |
| 08:45.45 | Guerin | ltune: clive |
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| 08:48.10 | nkuttler | ltune: flash kind of works for me in ff when i don't install too many extensions |
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| 08:50.14 | at0m | ltune, same problem here. worked fine untill like 2 weeks ago though /o\ |
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| 08:50.59 | at0m | i remember it took a couple attempts previous time, but don't remember exactly how it went :/ |
| 08:51.29 | ltune | ok flashplugin is my only plugin/extension/addon in those browsers, and what is clive? |
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| 08:53.09 | Guerin | ltune: you type clive some-youtube-url and it downloads the clip for you to watch when you like |
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| 08:53.41 | Guerin | obviating the need for idiocy like flash or trying to turn a browser into a media platform |
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| 08:55.03 | ltune | Guerin, i done few things on my machine: programm php, run apache, check emails and listen to youtube.. can u help me with the latter? |
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| 08:55.12 | Guerin | ltune: i just did |
| 08:55.16 | Guerin | install clive |
| 08:55.51 | ltune | can you hint me on a repository.. it not seems to be on lenny/testing standard servers... |
| 08:56.06 | Guerin | !info clive lenny |
| 08:56.15 | Guerin | err |
| 08:56.19 | Guerin | judd, version clive |
| 08:56.19 | judd | Guerin: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 08:56.25 | Guerin | judd, versions clive |
| 08:56.25 | judd | Guerin: clive -- etch-backports: 0.4.14-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.4.18-1 sid: 1.0.2-1 squeeze: 2.1.10-1 sid: 2.1.11-2 |
| 08:56.27 | dpkg | clive: (Video extraction utility for YouTube, Google Video and other video sites), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.4.18-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
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| 08:56.45 | Guerin | it's there alright |
| 08:57.30 | ltune | ok, thx, i try this one out:) |
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| 08:59.48 | poppiez | hi, I am running an apt-get -u upgrade. it wants to upgrade the kernel but it says that the kernel version running is the same as the one being installed (2.6.18-6-686). also, it says that the modules list is quite likely to have changed. why is this happening? I haven't said OK to the notice yet. I was hoping for some clarity before I continue :) |
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| 09:01.51 | neosmatrix_ | enouf: thx, for the swappiness tip. It seems now swap space is used very rare :) |
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| 09:09.42 | nkuttler | poppiez: did you build additional kernel modules? |
| 09:10.11 | poppiez | nkuttler: nope |
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| 09:10.35 | nkuttler | poppiez: then you can probably just ignore it and reboot |
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| 09:11.30 | poppiez | nkuttler: alright thx :) |
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| 09:15.03 | l403 | hello, after to Lenny upgrade, NFS common utils fail to start, do they have a log of their own so I can find out more? |
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| 09:24.33 | ComradeHaz | Hi all, any idea why linux-headers for 2.6.29-1-686 are apparently unavailable? See http://haz.red-army.org.uk/maprep (and feel free to tell me what you thinks up with exim while you're there :D ) |
| 09:29.05 | OpenTokix | ComradeHaz: Probably you have done some type while running exim-config |
| 09:30.15 | OpenTokix | ComradeHaz: you need to update your sid-system to latest kernel, 2.6.29-2 I think- 2.6.29-1 isnt there anymore |
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| 09:35.35 | tisc | enouf: clamv restarted... cooool... big fight, with a lot of funny shits... to finally install the 0.94 of backport... ;) |
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| 09:36.11 | ComradeHaz | hmm, OpenTokix, but I can't upgrade until exim4's working can I |
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| 09:36.23 | OpenTokix | ComradeHaz: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 09:36.23 | OpenTokix | ? |
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| 09:37.32 | jimcooncat | Package namespace questions: Is there a reserved prefix for packages that are used only locally, like "custom-"? Is there a maximum recommended length for naming packages? Is there a way to register a package name with the community? |
| 09:37.42 | jimcooncat | I've been looking for docs on this and haven't had luck yet |
| 09:38.07 | ComradeHaz | obviously I tried that OpenTokix Indeed I tried for 5 hours yesterday to get exim to settle down |
| 09:38.10 | ComradeHaz | it wouldn't |
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| 09:41.21 | OpenTokix | ComradeHaz: but I think you have made some mistake |
| 09:42.04 | ComradeHaz | oh, really? |
| 09:42.13 | ComradeHaz | well, do tell me what you think I'm doing wring |
| 09:42.16 | ComradeHaz | *wrong |
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| 09:43.02 | mischief6 | does anyone know anything about using gprof with a pthreas application? |
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| 09:46.03 | mischief6 | pthreads* |
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| 09:51.06 | bhoof | ciao |
| 09:51.42 | bhoof | NETDEV Watchdog: eth0 trasmit timed out... che significa? |
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| 09:53.16 | ComradeHaz | OK |
| 09:53.25 | rbo_ | do i need to reboot the machine after timezone was set? |
| 09:54.21 | jimcooncat | rbo_: I've never had to, don't know that's true in all cases |
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| 09:55.26 | ComradeHaz | so got the new kernel and m-a prepare now does its thing, but exim's still screwed, PLEASE can someone give me some advice! http://haz.red-army.org.uk/exim It doesn't matter if I try to do them individually none will work |
| 09:57.19 | rbo_ | jimcooncat: do i need to set timezone like 'TZ='Europe/Berlin'; export TZ' in .pofile or put 'Europe/Berlin' to /etc/timezone? |
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| 09:58.09 | petemc | ComradeHaz: presumably your problem is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.postinst |
| 09:58.27 | rbo_ | do i need to set timezone like 'TZ='Europe/Berlin'; export TZ' in .pofile or put 'Europe/Berlin' to /etc/timezone? |
| 09:58.31 | jimcooncat | sorry rbo_, I set it via gui at home, and don't have my stuff for work handy |
| 09:59.07 | fatalerrors | hi everybody |
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| 09:59.32 | fatalerrors | i'm looking for polkit-qt package |
| 09:59.39 | fatalerrors | can't find it |
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| 10:00.18 | fatalerrors | do you known where i can find it or it's name if it have been renamed? |
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| 10:00.22 | adb | !tell fatalerrors about search |
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| 10:01.23 | hacker_kid | does debian support GFS or do i have to use red-hat for that? |
| 10:02.16 | at0m | hacker_kid, apt-cache search gfs |
| 10:03.11 | ComradeHaz | petemc: what do you mean? Can you be more specific? What do you think's wrong there? |
| 10:03.29 | adb | hacker_kid: cat /boot/config-'uname -r' | grep GFS |
| 10:03.30 | hacker_kid | at0m, wow i feel stupid. that didnt come up when i searched, darn typos |
| 10:03.40 | petemc | ComradeHaz: it would appear to be a problem with one of the sed lines, not sure which - did you file the bug like i suggested? |
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| 10:04.46 | ComradeHaz | no, petemc, I don;t really know how to |
| 10:05.04 | ComradeHaz | and it works on all my other machines |
| 10:05.15 | ComradeHaz | so not sure if it's just that something's happened to that machine] |
| 10:05.28 | fatalerrors | it should be great anyway if polkit-qt were available in debian repository |
| 10:06.15 | fatalerrors | if someone can forward this request i will be gratefull |
| 10:06.49 | petemc | !rfp |
| 10:06.49 | dpkg | Request For Package is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ". ask me about <wnpp> |
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| 10:17.06 | pasky | Hi, what is the official way to adjust keyboard repeat rate in debian unstable? |
| 10:17.49 | pasky | (What's strange is even that I actually _need_ to change this, usually the defaults are fine by me, but with switch to debian, the rate is awfully slow.) |
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| 10:19.42 | seto | hi, I use debian in arch amd64, and I want to play a binary (game) that need some lib in 32 bits, what is the best way to install them ? for now I download the i386 package from package.debian.org, dpkg -x in /tmp, copy the lib in /usr/lib32/ and run ldconfig.. but it take times, if you know an easier way and something more debian friendly (with upgrade for example) |
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| 10:23.11 | ComradeHaz | so, petemc could I just remove that file and start again? |
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| 10:23.57 | beardy | !ia32 |
| 10:23.57 | dpkg | from memory, ia32 is a synonym for i386 (x86). In other words, if you don't know, this is what you have. |
| 10:24.03 | beardy | Ok.. |
| 10:24.06 | beardy | well |
| 10:24.37 | Blast | Hello i installed ircd-irc2 from terminal |
| 10:24.54 | Blast | but i do not know where the ircd.conf is at. |
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| 10:25.33 | beardy | seto: ia32-libs would install what you need perhaps. |
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| 10:26.29 | Blast | this is all i get http://pastebin.com/m7a47bf7e |
| 10:26.50 | petemc | ComradeHaz: not generally, sometimes you can edit the script to add exit 1 after the first line, but thats not always a good idea |
| 10:27.06 | ComradeHaz | hmm, it's really frustrating me |
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| 10:27.13 | ComradeHaz | I can't figure what's doing it at all |
| 10:27.39 | petemc | Blast: dpkg -L ircd-irc2 |
| 10:28.04 | beardy | Probablu ubuntu. |
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| 10:29.20 | petemc | ComradeHaz: try editing /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.postinst , add "exit 1" to the second line |
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| 10:31.05 | ComradeHaz | so before set -e ? |
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| 10:31.21 | petemc | sure |
| 10:32.09 | ComradeHaz | and then what? |
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| 10:32.59 | petemc | try and install packages i guess |
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| 10:33.06 | ComradeHaz | same result |
| 10:33.10 | ComradeHaz | gah |
| 10:33.16 | ComradeHaz | I need to go find some lunch anyway |
| 10:33.20 | ComradeHaz | will try again later |
| 10:33.29 | ComradeHaz | thanks for your help though |
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| 10:35.09 | seto | beardy: hmm, thx, but need more libs, I will look at ia32libs tools.. |
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| 10:37.18 | {g} | Hey People! I have this in my .bashrc to have ESC on the CAPS-LOCK-KEY: xmodmap <(echo -e "keycode 110 = Caps_Lock\nkeycode 66 = Escape\nclear Lock\nadd Lock = Caps_Lock"). Is that a good way to do it? It sometimes activates CAPS LOCK and then there is no way to get rid of it again. |
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| 10:38.52 | RichiH | {g}: i would use a persistant config file instead of a command i execute for each and every bash instance ;) |
| 10:39.03 | {g} | RichiH: how? |
| 10:39.28 | RichiH | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&esrch=BetaShortcuts&q=map+X+keys+howto&btnG=Search |
| 10:39.38 | RichiH | Results 1 - 10 of about 105,000,000 for map X keys howto. (0.27 seconds) |
| 10:39.46 | RichiH | i assume you will find what you need ;) |
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| 10:42.12 | mcbane | hi |
| 10:42.44 | mcbane | how do I prevent a cronjob (runs every 10 minutes) from spamming my syslog? |
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| 10:46.04 | aspect | mcbane, make sure it produces no output |
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| 10:48.33 | mcbane | aspect: I am positive it does not produce any output |
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| 10:53.59 | cire | also the newest intel BIOS update does not resolve issue http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11976 .I have to alter my DSDT on my own to get FAN working correctly. I'd like to complain. Is there an intel os channel? |
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| 10:54.16 | bolt-wor1 | mcbane: so what's it putting in your syslog? |
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| 10:55.44 | hmtt | anyone use SELinux? |
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| 10:56.27 | mcbane | bolt-wor1: Mar 12 06:28:01 HOSTNAME /USR/SBIN/CRON[9366]: (USRERNAME) CMD (/home/winther/cronjobs/somecommand.pyc) |
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| 10:59.26 | asulao | hello. what's the correct address to send bug report by email? submit@bugs.debian.org seems to be rejecting. A DNS problem or so |
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| 11:00.05 | bolt-work | mcbane: ah. that's just cron saying it's running the task. you could try "man cron", but i doubt you can stop that for one specific line |
| 11:01.13 | mcbane | bolt-work: Ok, Thank you for the info :) |
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| 11:05.28 | Blast | how do i use cp or mv? |
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| 11:07.50 | Eulex | Blast, man cp, man mv |
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| 11:12.30 | Gratz474 | Makefile:140: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel |
| 11:12.40 | Gratz474 | what package are they referring too? |
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| 11:14.27 | liable | Gratz474: linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 11:14.27 | adb | linux-headers-'uname -r' |
| 11:15.03 | Gratz474 | i thought i had them how do i install them liable ? |
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| 11:15.26 | liable | with apt-get/aptitude |
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| 11:16.30 | Gratz474 | what is the package name for this? |
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| 11:17.10 | liable | apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 11:17.47 | Gratz474 | i am an idiot i isntalled the wrong headers |
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| 11:28.18 | pepi | yo all |
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| 11:37.44 | raz | hi |
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| 11:38.55 | raz | is there a way to protect individual files (config files) from being overwritten during package updates? i know dpkg is asking but i'd like to make it even harder to overwrite critical files by accident |
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| 11:41.56 | joltcan | raz: Well, you can select that you always want to diff the changes |
| 11:42.13 | joltcan | raz: and when a file gets updated a copy of the original will be left as well |
| 11:42.23 | raz | joltcan, hm. i'd like to preserve the normal behaviour, just protect individual files. |
| 11:42.35 | raz | it's just that some other admin doesn't accidentially overwrite something |
| 11:42.51 | raz | ideally i could even provide a message "/etc/foo.conf is protected because..." |
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| 11:43.04 | joltcan | raz: I know there is a way, but I can't remeber what its called. The only thing I can remember is pinning, but thats for packages |
| 11:43.14 | joltcan | raz: you could always chatt +i file |
| 11:43.19 | raz | yes, i know both |
| 11:43.26 | raz | but chattr is a bit annoying to deal with when you still edit the file |
| 11:43.47 | raz | and pinning is not exactly what i need (although it should theoretically prevent the pkg from getting updated) |
| 11:44.09 | joltcan | I know, but there is something like pinning, except that I can't recall the term |
| 11:44.21 | raz | hehe, okay, i'll google some more |
| 11:44.27 | raz | or maybe someone else can jump in here |
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| 11:44.46 | joltcan | Or at least I'll think there is. Not sure I've even used it myself |
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| 11:47.20 | joltcan | raz: confold maybe |
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| 11:48.54 | raz | what is that? |
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| 11:50.03 | joltcan | raz: google for confold and dpkg |
| 11:50.32 | raz | hm doesn't show anything useful |
| 11:50.34 | Arrowmaster | raz: you could use something like etckeeper |
| 11:51.06 | raz | oh that looks interesting, gonna check |
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| 11:51.37 | joltcan | sounds good for a multi-admin environment |
| 11:51.48 | joltcan | OpenTokix: that might be good for you: etckeeper |
| 11:51.51 | Arrowmaster | good for any system |
| 11:52.06 | Arrowmaster | keep an audit trail of whats happened to /etc |
| 11:52.36 | OpenTokix | joltcan: ok? |
| 11:53.01 | OpenTokix | joltcan: could be, unless one like me hates version-controlled shit =) |
| 11:53.03 | joltcan | Arrowmaster: I use rsnapshot and my backup server fetches it from the server |
| 11:53.11 | joltcan | OpenTokix: He, yeah, forgot :) |
| 11:53.22 | OpenTokix | joltcan: Give it six months =) |
| 11:53.38 | joltcan | OpenTokix: :)) |
| 11:53.42 | OpenTokix | hehe |
| 11:55.10 | OpenTokix | joltcan: we are already using subversion |
| 11:55.12 | OpenTokix | btw. |
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| 11:56.47 | unixluser | hello. are any of you iptables guru? i'd like to know which kernel option besides QOS should be enabled to allow prioritzation of tcp packets (specifically ACK) |
| 11:56.53 | joltcan | OpenTokix: ah, ok |
| 11:57.04 | OpenTokix | joltcan: I don't use that either |
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| 12:00.44 | asulao | unixluser: I believe mark TOS |
| 12:01.34 | joltcan | unixluser: You are opening a can of worms. I suggest you read the "linux advanced routing howto" or whatever it is called |
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| 12:02.22 | asulao | yep, default linux TOS priorities I remember are explained there |
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| 12:02.52 | unixluser | joltcan: what do you mean by that? |
| 12:02.59 | unixluser | dangerousness? |
| 12:03.20 | stew | unixluser: you'd not be using iptables for that, you'd be using tc. have a look at the wondershaper script |
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| 12:03.38 | stew | unixluser: that would use htb, so the relavent kernel option would be CONFIG_NET_SCH_HTB |
| 12:03.40 | unixluser | asulao: is that a kernel option? |
| 12:03.51 | unixluser | stew: yep found that in google |
| 12:03.53 | joltcan | unixluser: No, just that it is really, really complex. But reading the LART is a good overview off your options |
| 12:04.01 | unixluser | joltcan: okay :) |
| 12:04.11 | asulao | unixluser: TOS I believe is a set of bits in ip headers |
| 12:04.48 | asulao | if you don't want to get into the complexities of tc, for simple stuff I think using just that can do the job, no stew? |
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| 12:05.33 | unixluser | asulao: can't find it still :( |
| 12:05.38 | stew | asulao: installing the wondershaper package and running the wondershaper script is simple and works very well |
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| 12:05.58 | kaushal | hi |
| 12:06.01 | unixluser | i did priq scheduling in openbsd, (cbq was only for bandwdith managment), but iptables is a different beast |
| 12:06.14 | stew | unixluser: by LART he means lartc.org |
| 12:06.19 | unixluser | but i'll check out the howto nonetheless |
| 12:06.20 | unixluser | yep |
| 12:06.23 | kaushal | I am looking out for a server edition of Debian (Lenny) |
| 12:06.31 | maligor | a what? |
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| 12:06.51 | stew | unixluser: cbq is not as good as htb. wondershaper comes with both cbq and htb versions, you want the default htb version |
| 12:07.05 | maligor | debian doesn't do editions, on installation you can choose to install certain server profiles tho |
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| 12:07.22 | stew | kaushal: there isn't a separate server edition |
| 12:07.28 | joltcan | wondershaper is really good. I would start with that one |
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| 12:07.42 | joltcan | stew: thanks for saving me :) |
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| 12:07.51 | asulao | stew: never used wondershaper, just tc alone. |
| 12:08.08 | kaushal | Thanks stew |
| 12:08.13 | kaushal | Thanks maligor |
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| 12:08.56 | etchPRSN | asks if anyone here is knowledgeable concerning multi-theading ? |
| 12:08.56 | unixluser | asulao: i found a guide on tc: http://phix.me/dm/ dunno about it's completeness though |
| 12:08.58 | kaushal | so what i understand is download from http://www.debian.org/distrib/ and while installation it will ask to install it as server ? |
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| 12:09.30 | asulao | unixluser: there's an official page for tc, it's advanced linux routing and traffic control: lartc.org I think |
| 12:09.50 | unixluser | yeah, i've found that |
| 12:10.19 | unixluser | i was looking for a short synopsis, and google pointed me in the direction of that link |
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| 12:10.33 | asulao | well, that's the one, just dive in |
| 12:10.59 | asulao | unixluser: there's no short synopsis. the alternative would be as stew says, use a script like wondershaper |
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| 12:11.22 | kaushal | ? |
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| 12:12.00 | unixluser | stew: thanks |
| 12:12.08 | unixluser | *all: |
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| 12:17.33 | kaushal | is there a way to know the terminated process name from pid ? |
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| 12:19.37 | mac123 | hi i need some help in installing Japanese and Chinese (traditional/simplified) fonts. on debian etch 4.0 is there any extra package for it |
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| 12:22.09 | WormFood | mac123, I can't even find them in debian 5.0 (I didn't look for japanese fonts, but I sure as hell couldn't find any chinese fonts) |
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| 12:23.27 | unixluser | stew: hi again. google search for wondershaper htb shows mailing list posts. no actual script |
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| 12:23.36 | unixluser | is it a simply a case of s/cbq/htb? |
| 12:23.36 | WormFood | mac123, I'm not sure how successful installing sid files in lenny is, as I never payed attention to people talking about it, because I run sid |
| 12:24.12 | unixluser | grep shows cbq in debian-provided package, adn no htb |
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| 12:24.39 | stew | unixluser: apt-cache show wondershaper |
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| 12:25.06 | stew | unixluser: oh, yes, the debien package provides a htb script |
| 12:25.36 | stew | debian* |
| 12:25.41 | unixluser | hm |
| 12:25.53 | stew | bah, doesn't it? |
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| 12:25.56 | sc | anyone has youtube vid to mp3 script that works? |
| 12:25.57 | stew | maybe not |
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| 12:27.20 | kaushal | what does sid stands for in Debian sid ? |
| 12:27.32 | kaushal | is it still in development ? |
| 12:28.01 | stew | kaushal: the debian releases are named after toy story characters, in toy story, sid was the kid next door that breaks toys |
| 12:28.02 | unixluser | it's a toystory character |
| 12:28.06 | unixluser | the anti-social kid |
| 12:28.25 | stew | kaushal: 'still in development' is a backronym |
| 12:28.37 | unixluser | kaushal: er, stew's explaination would be a bit more relevant :) |
| 12:31.01 | unixluser | oh, silly. obsd ack-priq was possible as that was the home router. I'm trying to get this to work ona computer on the home lan (ie behind router) so this may not even be possible after all :/ |
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| 12:32.55 | petemc | unixluser: devices that support openwrt/tomato/etc have a nice interface to traffic shaping |
| 12:33.10 | unixluser | petemc: i only just missed out :( |
| 12:33.28 | unixluser | i'm using the unsuitable incarnation of linksys router |
| 12:33.37 | petemc | you can shoehorn it on in some cases |
| 12:33.49 | unixluser | v 7 or whatever, according to the wiki |
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| 12:35.55 | unixluser | soon to be replace by some Open adsl2 router |
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| 12:38.16 | sc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:39.53 | Grype | sc: try vixy.net |
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| 12:43.44 | yareckon | hey kids, anyone know how I can troubleshoot the fact that vlc opens when I plug in my (rockbox) ipod? |
| 12:44.02 | yareckon | running sid powerpc |
| 12:44.11 | unixluser | yareckon: probably default handler for ipod device |
| 12:44.16 | yareckon | I've looked at the removable devices panel |
| 12:44.21 | yareckon | set to nothing |
| 12:44.35 | yareckon | have also set and unset it several times to see if it was a stuck value |
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| 12:45.15 | yareckon | about 50% of the time vlc opens it's interface, and about 50% of the time it just starts in the background |
| 12:45.32 | yareckon | in the process viewer I'll see vlc in futex_wait state |
| 12:45.44 | yareckon | with /media/MYIPOD |
| 12:45.48 | yareckon | as the open file |
| 12:46.05 | yareckon | symptom is that gnome wont allow me to unmount the ipod |
| 12:46.21 | yareckon | complains about open files on the device |
| 12:46.40 | yareckon | is there a log that I can look at to see what is triggering vlc? |
| 12:47.09 | yareckon | I've bumped udev -> info log level, but don't see anything about programs triggering |
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| 12:47.35 | yareckon | is there a gnome services layer that might be responsible for that that I can investigate somewhere? |
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| 12:48.18 | edwin | hi, is it possible to download a package that has been just uploaded, and didn't reach my mirror yet? |
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| 12:48.42 | edwin | I'd like to try eglibc-2.9-12 to see if it fixes a bug I encountered: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=527541 |
| 12:49.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | edwin, yes you can download it - try the main mirror |
| 12:49.13 | edwin | which is that? |
| 12:49.21 | edwin | ftp.debian.org? |
| 12:49.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | yeah. |
| 12:49.41 | edwin | 2.9-11 is latest there :( |
| 12:49.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | is -12 the one in NEW? |
| 12:50.10 | edwin | -11 was in NEW and got accepted already |
| 12:50.14 | edwin | -12 is a bugfix for -11 |
| 12:50.22 | themill | ftp.debian.org is *not* the main anything. |
| 12:50.32 | edwin | I hope it doesn't have to go through NEW again... |
| 12:51.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill, i thought ftp-master and ftp. were the same host. (my mistake) |
| 12:51.15 | stew | edwin: it wouldn't. and its not like it spent much time in NEW |
| 12:51.18 | stew | at all |
| 12:51.41 | themill | Kamping_Kaiser: may have once been... it's just a mirror of the internal archive machines these days. /msg dpkg ftp.debian.org |
| 12:51.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill, thanks, wilco. |
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| 12:52.56 | d | hi |
| 12:53.04 | edwin | hmm I think it still needs to wait for the buildd |
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| 12:53.12 | edwin | I found the source package in incoming.debian.org |
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| 12:56.01 | dyyyy | hi again |
| 12:56.13 | dyyyy | How can I avoid multiple user login via pptp? |
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| 12:56.49 | yareckon | can anyone suggest a log or set of config files I can look at to determine why vlc is auto starting when I plug in my ipod (other than the Gnome 2.26 removable devices control panel) |
| 12:57.26 | yareckon | is there a file backend to that, or is there a log that I can look at? |
| 12:57.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | havent i just seen that question? |
| 12:58.01 | yareckon | yes, but I scattered it over 50 lines..... |
| 12:58.53 | yareckon | sorry for the repetition, I guess I have to start learning the whole hotplug stack from the kernel up :) |
| 12:59.08 | yareckon | Was hoping for a shortcut |
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| 13:00.46 | bluesceada | ah lenny 5.0.1 now? |
| 13:00.57 | bluesceada | did i miss something about 5.0."1" |
| 13:01.02 | bluesceada | or was that from the beginning |
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| 13:01.21 | bluesceada | hm ok nothing with dist-upgrade... |
| 13:01.23 | bluesceada | nevermind |
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| 13:04.28 | themill | bluesceada: "/msg dpkg point releases" Instead of 5.0r1, point releases are being called 5.0.1 starting from Lenny. |
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| 13:07.33 | kaushal | hi |
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| 13:07.41 | bluesceada | themill: thanks |
| 13:07.45 | bluesceada | kaushal: hi |
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| 13:08.02 | kaushal | where can i learn bash shell scripting ? |
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| 13:08.36 | bluesceada | umm.. i always start with a problem |
| 13:08.50 | action09 | kaushal google --> ABS: Advanced Bash Shell Scripting or o ther tutorials |
| 13:09.04 | bluesceada | so once i wanted to do for example "convert all images in this directory etc. bla" and i just did by reading documents about bash scripting |
| 13:09.10 | bluesceada | looked at actual existing scripts |
| 13:09.32 | bluesceada | and then made it work.. |
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| 13:10.26 | action09 | themill i see for the point releases that from a stable i need to do and update and **dist-upgrade** ???? i nver did a didst upgrade on a stable |
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| 13:11.45 | smace | I need to get/install a FIXED version of quagga. I know it was already fixed in Debian. But I am not sure how to get the fixed version. I have found: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526270 ... but I am not very sure about how I get the right version with the fix already. If I aptitude install quagga. Am I going to get the right version? |
| 13:13.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | smace, what version does the fix arrive in, and what version will you install? compare them, and profit |
| 13:13.34 | themill | action09: not necessarily. dist-upgrade isn't about upgrading from one release to another, it's about installing or removing packages as part of the upgrade. dist-upgrade has been renamed in aptitude to avoid this confusion. Note that even within stable, a "full-upgrade" is not normally required when using aptitude |
| 13:13.49 | themill | action09: (summary, use aptitude and find out what "full-upgrade" really means :) |
| 13:15.57 | tdn | How do I convert flac files to mp3 from the command line? |
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| 13:20.32 | \amethyst | tdn: sox foo.mp3 foo.flac should do it |
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| 13:20.50 | tdn | \amethyst, thanks! |
| 13:21.53 | gps23 | hifi, how can i build just one specific package in kdetoys? |
| 13:22.10 | hifi | gps23: you can start by configuring your IRC client |
| 13:22.12 | Polarina | tdn: Try lame. |
| 13:22.14 | \amethyst | tdn: you'll need at least sox, libsox-fmt-mp3, and on lenny libsox-fmt-flac |
| 13:22.24 | gps23 | hifi, sorry, wanted to write hi :( |
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| 13:22.29 | Polarina | I also recommend against MP3. |
| 13:22.33 | \amethyst | Polarina: can lame encode flacs? |
| 13:22.38 | \amethyst | oh |
| 13:22.43 | \amethyst | he wanted the other way around |
| 13:22.44 | hifi | gps23: I know |
| 13:22.44 | \amethyst | my bad |
| 13:22.50 | Polarina | \amethyst: If not, just convert temporarily to a WAV. But I think it does. |
| 13:23.03 | \amethyst | tdn: my bad, you will need lame |
| 13:23.31 | Polarina | tdn: man lame to see the command line options to get the highest quality (still inferior to Vorbis). |
| 13:23.47 | gps23 | hifi, irc client configures, thanks for pointing this out |
| 13:23.52 | gps23 | configured* |
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| 13:25.10 | mns | Is it necessary to run both xfstt and xfs, or can I run just one of them xfs ? |
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| 13:27.51 | jelly | mns: actually, you need neither |
| 13:28.21 | smace | which debian image should I use for DualCore Xeon processor? |
| 13:28.33 | jelly | smace: amd64 (or i386) |
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| 13:29.22 | mns | jelly: neither ? then how will the fonts get served ? |
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| 13:30.26 | jelly | mns: X server has an embedded font server. xfs is needed for remote X clients (xdmcp) and similar |
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| 13:31.11 | jelly | mns: xfs is used for legacy bitmap X fonts anyway, all the antialiased stuff doesn't use that functionality at all |
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| 13:32.40 | smace | jelly: are you sure amd is acceptable? i have already amd64 cd here. :) The right description of processor is: Intel® Xeon® Dual Core E3110, 6MB, 3.0GHZ, 1333MHZ FSB |
| 13:32.55 | mns | oh wait, I get it. If I'm on my laptop I don't need either of them running. Only if I'm running a fonts server on some other system and don't want the fonts loaded onto my laptop or desktop ... got it. |
| 13:33.00 | jelly | smace: positive |
| 13:33.27 | jelly | smace: amd64's what you want |
| 13:33.41 | smace | jelly thanks :) |
| 13:34.08 | pimpinjg | ftp.evilzone.ws |
| 13:34.10 | simNIX | amd for intel ? |
| 13:34.11 | pimpinjg | woopz |
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| 13:35.04 | mns | jelly: thanks. damned network lag was delaying what you were saying. |
| 13:35.39 | mns | simNIX: yes, if you want 64-bit, you use amd64 regardless of whether you've got Intel or AMD. |
| 13:36.17 | jelly | "if you want 32-bit, use i386 regardless of whether you've got Intel or AMD" |
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| 13:37.14 | Decepticon | do i have to make user accounts of the same name in order to login with any random username on pptpd vpn or are those two not connected |
| 13:37.37 | Gratz474 | installs windows on another partition and hopes reactos hurry's up |
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| 13:38.03 | action09 | themill yes i rode the thing about dist-upgrade and full-upgrade in the man aptitude |
| 13:38.07 | jocelyn | Hi |
| 13:38.08 | simNIX | mns I wasnt aware thought intel64 had its own arch |
| 13:38.18 | jpinx-eeepc | hurry's up to what Gratz474 ? |
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| 13:38.28 | action09 | themill but i don't clearly understand now, mind confused |
| 13:38.31 | jelly | simNIX: amd32 doesn't have its own arch either. |
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| 13:38.36 | denysonique | Hi |
| 13:38.39 | simNIX | tru |
| 13:38.48 | Gratz474 | jpinx-eeepc, a working state? hehe |
| 13:38.58 | denysonique | When I run Virtualbox the sound on the host stops working |
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| 13:39.04 | denysonique | Can someone help me please? |
| 13:39.08 | denysonique | ? |
| 13:39.17 | jpinx-eeepc | Gratz474: k - haven't looked recently |
| 13:39.23 | mns | simNIX: I just learnt recently. I've got not idea why its like that either. |
| 13:39.39 | jocelyn | Is there a way do choose what binary package to build or not (debuild) from a source package that offers several binary packages ? |
| 13:39.53 | Gratz474 | i dream to be able to run photoshop someday in linux properly |
| 13:40.21 | action09 | themill habitually i used to only do and upgrade only |
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| 13:41.40 | jpinx-eeepc | Gratz474: what's wrong with gimp? |
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| 13:41.49 | iwkse | hi do you know where can be found repos with debian lenny kernel with highmen enabled? |
| 13:41.55 | simNIX | or gimpshop |
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| 13:42.14 | iwkse | highmen/highmem |
| 13:42.16 | \amethyst | iwkse: lenny kernels have highmem (> 1GB) enabled. Do you mean bigmem (> 4GB) ? |
| 13:42.21 | Gratz474 | heheheh 2 things |
| 13:42.23 | iwkse | \amethyst: yes |
| 13:42.30 | iwkse | \amethyst: i got 2 gb and just 1 is seen |
| 13:42.40 | \amethyst | what kernel? |
| 13:42.42 | nkuttler | jocelyn: checked debian/rules ? |
| 13:42.45 | Gratz474 | gimpshop has not been developed for a verrrry long time it uses 2.2 2.8 will be coming out this year and the changes are major |
| 13:42.46 | stew | iwkse: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 13:42.47 | simNIX | does bios see 2Gb ? |
| 13:42.55 | stew | iwkse: you probably have a 486 kernel and need a 686 kernel |
| 13:42.57 | themill | action09: Under etch, that would mean that you would miss certain upgrades such as kernel upgrades when there is an ABI change (e.g. 2.6.26-1-686 to 2.6.26-2-686) and also some updates like the one for DSA1576 which introduced new packages. With Lenny, as long as you are using aptitude, it should be OK. |
| 13:43.06 | Gratz474 | 2ndly gimp is nowhere near photoshop quality in as respect |
| 13:43.11 | iwkse | stew: yeah i think i have the 486 |
| 13:43.12 | Tagor | I installed Debian from a CD on a new server with two hdd's (mirror). But when I try to boot after the installation I only get the text 'GRUP' on my screen. What did I wrong? |
| 13:43.20 | iwkse | \amethyst: i'm not on this machine now |
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| 13:43.25 | iwkse | \amethyst: but i'll try with the 686 |
| 13:43.28 | iwkse | thanks |
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| 13:43.34 | jocelyn | nkuttler, that's a package that i'm building so... yes :). But I don't know how to ask to debuild to use only a target |
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| 13:44.08 | action09 | themill ok thanks for your answer, on a "production" box normally i only have to do an aptitude safe-upgrade or full-upgrade (i'd say safe..) |
| 13:44.09 | uwjweq | Is there a tool to compare binary files? |
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| 13:44.11 | denysonique | Gratz474: use gimp |
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| 13:45.11 | scibotic | Hi, anyone know a good way to output silence into alsa? |
| 13:45.11 | Tagor | Anyone an idea why it won't boot? |
| 13:45.11 | action09 | uwjweq fingerprinting with sha1sum e.g ? or to look in the binary file... ? |
| 13:45.18 | uwjweq | action09: That might do the job, I´ll give it a try |
| 13:45.24 | uwjweq | Thank you |
| 13:45.29 | action09 | np |
| 13:45.31 | Gratz474 | denysonique, i would love too but i just can't do that sadly |
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| 13:46.15 | denysonique | Gratz474: what is exactly the problem? |
| 13:46.19 | themill | action09: full-upgrade is just the aptitude name for dist-upgrade. There's nothing safer about it. You should always review the installations that the package manager is suggesting anyway -- you might like to look at installing apt-listchanges. |
| 13:46.22 | fishsponge_ | hey people - has anyone installed dovecot IMAP with "dbox" format mailboxes with exim as the SMTP server? if so, i have some questions... first of all, is dovecot with dbox actually the highest performing IMAP solution out there, pretty much? |
| 13:46.30 | Gratz474 | scaling issues in gimp if the biggest thing denysonique |
| 13:46.48 | Gratz474 | Photoshop is a much more higher quality program for raster image editing |
| 13:46.50 | themill | uwjweq: you can just use "diff" for that too. |
| 13:46.51 | action09 | themill ok thanks taking time to answer :) |
| 13:46.56 | themill | np |
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| 13:47.19 | denysonique | Gratz474: instead of purchasing photoshop give that money to some gimp developer so he will improve gimp according to your needs |
| 13:47.43 | Gratz474 | denysonique, I don't think they are really even all that active |
| 13:48.15 | Gratz474 | denysonique, a company who has 50+ employees working on it for them getting paid 65k+ a year will provide a more solid product |
| 13:48.22 | bluesceada | does still finally come with full 16bit per channel and color profiling support in ver 2.8 ? |
| 13:48.26 | iwkse | Gratz474: this is fairy tales |
| 13:48.35 | bluesceada | still for a full profiled workflow you need to use windows or mac osx.. |
| 13:48.35 | Gratz474 | What is? |
| 13:48.46 | Gratz474 | 16 bit is gone in 2.8 |
| 13:48.48 | beardy | What? |
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| 13:49.33 | iwkse | Gratz474: you should read more about open source development before to write bad assumptions |
| 13:49.43 | nikos_gr | hello i want to dowbnlaod the latest testing debian release but iam havign trouble donwloasint as torrent fromd ebian.org |
| 13:49.52 | jpinx-eeepc | how to re-route? I've got 3 points losing over 60% each :( |
| 13:49.53 | Gratz474 | iwkse, then i don't know what the problem is |
| 13:49.57 | nikos_gr | can you give me an alternative link for latest testing build? |
| 13:50.07 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Not up to you. |
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| 13:50.41 | jelly | Gratz474: you could use Elements if the featureset is acceptable for you, that's cheaper |
| 13:50.58 | Eftarjin | hi. is it possible to backport just one module from a later linux version without recompiling the whole kernel ? |
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| 13:51.01 | Gratz474 | my boss buys photoshop |
| 13:51.05 | bluesceada | Gratz474: gone means, still no 16bit per channel in 2.8 ? |
| 13:51.06 | Gratz474 | i am just mad i have to use windows |
| 13:51.16 | nikos_gr | ? |
| 13:51.20 | Gratz474 | bluesceada, no 16 bit period in gimp 2.8 |
| 13:51.27 | jelly | Gratz474: I _think_ Crossover Office supports photoshop |
| 13:51.33 | bluesceada | can you do full color profiling with xorg ? |
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| 13:51.58 | Gratz474 | not the recent versions and the best support for photoshop came because of google with cs2 but now cs3 and cs4 don't work at all |
| 13:52.04 | thnee | when i do "smbmount //xxx/public public/ -o username=xxx" i get "mount error(13): Permission denied" i read that i should do username=domain/username where domain is either domain, or local hostname, but neither helps. am i missing something, or is it broken? |
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| 13:54.11 | jelly | Gratz474: sucks to be you then, use windows :-( |
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| 13:54.43 | Gratz474 | jelly, there is 3 apps that make windows just so good man, they never get ported either |
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| 13:55.05 | Gratz474 | but in linux i get a good desktop manager and all that good stuff |
| 13:55.10 | jelly | I've had mixed results with crossover, leaving Outlook running for 2+ days makes it crash |
| 13:55.13 | spacepup | ? |
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| 13:55.32 | iwkse | Gratz474: which apps? |
| 13:56.17 | Gratz474 | jelly, any of that crossover office wine etc has a good 6 years before it will be anything good if it ever is |
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| 13:56.18 | jelly | Gratz474: if 'shop wasn't such a hog, I'd recommend a virtual windows environment |
| 13:56.18 | bluesceada | Gratz474: use virtual machines |
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| 13:56.25 | Gratz474 | i dont think they work all that well |
| 13:56.25 | Gratz474 | more so when using something like photoshop ;) |
| 13:56.25 | asulao | Gratz474: seen this? http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=14318 |
| 13:56.25 | linduxed | i want to download lenny (amd64) but there seem to be hundreds of different isos |
| 13:56.27 | nik_gr | hello i want to dowbnlaod the latest testing debian release but iam havign trouble donwloasint as torrent fromd ebian.org |
| 13:56.29 | Gratz474 | I mean i guess its about getting work done right? hmmm |
| 13:56.29 | linduxed | which one do i choose? |
| 13:56.31 | nik_gr | can you give me an alternative link for latest testing build? |
| 13:56.36 | jelly | Gratz474: you can turn that idea upside down and do most of your work inside virtualized linux, fallnig back to host windows for your apps |
| 13:56.37 | spacepup | ² |
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| 13:57.02 | jelly | asulao: appdb almost always lies |
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| 13:57.17 | Gratz474 | jelly, i mean i could use all my linux apps in windows if i really wanted too but heh |
| 13:57.23 | Gratz474 | i do like linux alot |
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| 13:57.29 | denysonique | I am on Debian now, and many things don't work on Debian sid |
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| 13:57.34 | denysonique | Gentoo is much more better |
| 13:57.36 | asulao | jelly: well I guess those are experience from real users. |
| 13:57.41 | Gratz474 | just can't stnad being without photoshop |
| 13:57.44 | denysonique | I have too many problems with debian |
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| 13:57.50 | iwkse | denysonique: debian sid=debian unstable |
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| 13:57.55 | nik_gr | hello |
| 13:58.01 | stew | denysonique: if you want help, you need to be more specific about what problems you are having |
| 13:58.02 | iwkse | denysonique: it you want things that works, get debian stable |
| 13:58.03 | Gratz474 | do you guys know what winscp is? great thing as well |
| 13:58.05 | nik_gr | where can i find the laetst build for debian testing? |
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| 13:58.09 | stew | denysonique: and yes, sid is expected to be broken |
| 13:58.13 | masterkiller | hey when im at prompt as root, how do i get my environment to show colors for dirs/executables etc? |
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| 13:58.21 | jelly | asulao: yes. If you read wine weekly news, you can see how many apps break and unbreak on point releases |
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| 13:59.04 | denysonique | sid provides cutting edge that doesn't work, gentoo does bleeding edge that realy works |
| 13:59.05 | asulao | jelly: I don't, but hey if I would need PS I'd give that info a try |
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| 13:59.21 | stew | denysonique: this is the wrong channel for the type of discussion you are trying to have |
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| 13:59.30 | jelly | asulao: we're not talking about "a try", but "stable enough to do production work" |
| 13:59.43 | jelly | asulao: appdb is pretty much anectodal evidence |
| 14:00.03 | iwkse | denysonique: it's much up to you, i have debian sid here and it's not broken |
| 14:00.25 | denysonique | ok guys Please help me on how to get my sound working, when I run vbox the sound on my host stops working and all audio devices are blocked on the host, the guest sound is ok |
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| 14:00.38 | jelly | denysonique: disable sound in your guests? |
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| 14:00.45 | denysonique | jelly: I need it |
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| 14:01.04 | jelly | denysonique: try #vbox |
| 14:01.10 | asulao | jelly: my opinion is that if things work, they work. for example quite recently I found myself with a really bad bug with lenny for very specific software. does that make lenny entirely unstable? I think not. |
| 14:01.13 | denysonique | s/Please/please |
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| 14:01.24 | asulao | but that's my opinion |
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| 14:02.55 | stew | denysonique: show us the output of "fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/*" on the host ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:03.00 | Gratz474 | jelly, maybe i can run windows as a desktop and use virtualbox for a vm so i can run server stuff in that i haaate installing my server stuff in windows i hate it |
| 14:03.16 | denysonique | stew: with vbox running or not? |
| 14:03.27 | jelly | Gratz474: right |
| 14:03.28 | bluesceada | Gratz474: so you probably do webdev/design |
| 14:03.37 | stew | denysonique: when you are actually having the problem |
| 14:03.52 | bluesceada | then you could also run linux as the main os, as color profiling is probably not important |
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| 14:04.04 | jelly | Gratz474: I sometimes reboot to windows and run the linux machine in a vm |
| 14:04.05 | Gratz474 | bluesceada, i do alot of programming (g/vim) and alot of photoshop and i do alot of web design yes also illustrator as well |
| 14:04.19 | Gratz474 | well i am looking at my current situation |
| 14:04.26 | Gratz474 | i use xchat firefox and gvim |
| 14:04.51 | Gratz474 | that can all be ran in windows and i can do my server stuff apache etc in a vm |
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| 14:04.59 | Gratz474 | ooo and i completely miss winscp |
| 14:05.07 | Gratz474 | a greaat simplistic program |
| 14:05.12 | jelly | Gratz474: if you're sick enough, you can make the vm boot and use the very same hard disk linux installation. :-> |
| 14:05.14 | zcserei | How can I upgrade my etch server to lenny through ssh? |
| 14:05.27 | SURFkees | I've got a debian package that says: "Depends: sendmail-bin but it is not going to be installed". Even though it's in the control file as a dependency. Any ideas why it won't install? |
| 14:05.44 | Gratz474 | jelly, heh i kinda like the idea of having a very small linux vm for that kind of stuff |
| 14:05.45 | bluesceada | there is konqueror with sftp:/ which is probably easier to use... or scp on the shell for simplistic |
| 14:05.46 | jelly | SURFkees: what are you really trying to do? |
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| 14:06.13 | SURFkees | jelly, installing a self-made package which depends on sendmail |
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| 14:06.27 | Gratz474 | bluesceada, i have tried everything in the boook |
| 14:06.35 | Gratz474 | it does not do the file editing parts right |
| 14:06.44 | jelly | SURFkees: real sendmail, or just any smtp server that provides /usr/sbin/sendmail binary? |
| 14:06.45 | bluesceada | SURFkees: check apt-cache policy of sendmail and see if the version you want is allowed to be installed for your version (stable,testing,..) |
| 14:06.51 | Gratz474 | filezilla almost has it but there devs thing its a flawed way so they don't do ti its all messed up |
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| 14:07.00 | bluesceada | Gratz474: eh what book |
| 14:07.10 | Gratz474 | huh? |
| 14:07.11 | linduxed | im on the following page: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/amd64/iso-cd/ , which image do i choose?? |
| 14:07.22 | bluesceada | [16:06:27] <Gratz474> bluesceada, i have tried everything in the boook |
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| 14:07.26 | bluesceada | boook ?? |
| 14:07.38 | Gratz474 | hehehe |
| 14:07.42 | Gratz474 | my book |
| 14:07.49 | bluesceada | ? |
| 14:07.50 | zcserei | How can I upgrade my etch server to lenny through SSH? How will it work after the reboot command, will I still be able to access it? |
| 14:08.02 | zcserei | I have no physical access to it. |
| 14:08.08 | SURFkees | jelly, well, sendmail I guess. My perl scripts depend on sendmail for mailing purposes |
| 14:08.10 | bluesceada | Gratz474: more input needed |
| 14:08.13 | stew | zcserei: read chapter 4 of the lenny release notes: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 14:08.15 | iwkse | Gratz474: not sure but gftp could support ssh2 |
| 14:08.17 | stew | zcserei: and yes, you can do this remotely |
| 14:08.27 | Gratz474 | iwkse, i like gftp a bit |
| 14:08.28 | Gratz474 | but |
| 14:08.31 | Gratz474 | again file editing |
| 14:08.32 | denysonique | stew: /dev/snd/controlC0: 3529 |
| 14:08.32 | linduxed | bump |
| 14:08.41 | SURFkees | bluesceada, how do you figure out if it is allowed from the output of apt-cache policy? |
| 14:08.48 | stew | denysonique: and what makes you say that sound is blocked? |
| 14:08.51 | iwkse | Gratz474: i used it time to time but now i prefer using directly vim |
| 14:08.51 | linduxed | im curious which iso i should wo |
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| 14:09.00 | Gratz474 | when i edit a file i like to be taken to the file and i save it from there and it auto uploads i dont want ot have to say ok upload after each save |
| 14:09.04 | linduxed | download on the following page: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 14:09.09 | iwkse | Gratz474: it allowed to edit remote, there's a plugin for that |
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| 14:09.17 | bluesceada | Gratz474: then use konqueror and kde apps |
| 14:09.17 | jelly | SURFkees: Ah. In that case, use something like Depends: mail-transfer-agent | sendmail |
| 14:09.24 | bluesceada | Gratz474: and sftp:/ paths |
| 14:09.27 | stew | SURFkees: any MTA provides /usr/sbin/sendmail, so you shouldn't be depending on the actual sendmail package but the mail-transfer-agent virtual package |
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| 14:09.39 | SURFkees | ah, right |
| 14:09.42 | bluesceada | hm ok |
| 14:09.53 | SURFkees | jelly, stew, thanks :) |
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| 14:10.02 | Gratz474 | bluesceada, we still have the photoshop problem ;) |
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| 14:10.15 | Gratz474 | why judt didn't adobe put it on linux jeesh |
| 14:10.33 | bluesceada | yeh i still dont get what one of it has to do with the other atm |
| 14:10.34 | jelly | Gratz474: you can be evil, use sshfs and edit the files on the server "directly" |
| 14:10.35 | denysonique | stew: skype: ALSA lib pcm_dsnoop.c:593:(snd_pcm_dsnoop_open) unable to open slave |
| 14:10.43 | iwkse | Gratz474: just curious, i didn't follow, what gimp can't do that you're searching in photoshop? |
| 14:10.50 | bluesceada | you just listed apps you liked... |
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| 14:10.59 | Gratz474 | jelly, i do it all the time sadly most clients just stiiiiil have ftp |
| 14:11.00 | stew | denysonique: which sound card? |
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| 14:11.17 | jelly | Gratz474: there's curlftpfs for that, too |
| 14:11.17 | nik_gr | someone PLEASE give me a debian tesign latest build!!! |
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| 14:11.30 | Gratz474 | iwkse, gimp can't scale for nothing it cannot be used in production for something like that |
| 14:11.33 | stew | nik_gr: why do you want testing? |
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| 14:11.51 | Gratz474 | jelly, yes yes trust me tried that too only if fuse file systems were reliable |
| 14:12.00 | jelly | Gratz474: I can't recommend curlftpfs though, sshfs is stable enough but the ftp one seems to be problematic |
| 14:12.06 | jelly | right. |
| 14:12.06 | iwkse | Gratz474: mm? scaling? |
| 14:12.10 | nik_gr | i want it to have the latest kernel 2/6/30git so it can autoidentify my wifi card |
| 14:12.12 | linduxed | im on the following page: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/amd64/iso-cd/ , which image do i choose?? |
| 14:12.12 | denysonique | BBB |
| 14:12.18 | nik_gr | an 802.11n tplink |
| 14:12.21 | stew | nik_gr: then you don't want testing |
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| 14:12.34 | Gratz474 | jelly, most shared hosting people still just give ftp sadly enough |
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| 14:12.48 | Gratz474 | iwkse, oh yea scaling sucks in gimp |
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| 14:12.51 | bluesceada | Gratz474: you tried the sinc lanczos scaling in newer gimp versions |
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| 14:12.58 | stew | nik_gr: the latest testing builds would have a 2.6.26 kernel, same as stable. "/msg dpkg kmuto" will point you to some stable installers with 2.6.28 |
| 14:13.01 | Gratz474 | might not notice for a picture but a logo a graphic something like that oh yea |
| 14:13.04 | iwkse | Gratz474: didn't notice it |
| 14:13.05 | jelly | Gratz474: yup, $employer is toying with the idea of giving chrooted sftp just now |
| 14:13.18 | nik_gr | bu i want 2.6.30git |
| 14:13.19 | stew | nik_gr: if you really need 2.6.30, you'll have to build your own installer: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
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| 14:13.23 | Gratz474 | jelly, would be a good idea |
| 14:13.31 | denysonique | stew: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller |
| 14:13.38 | nik_gr | i dotn know what taht means or how to build |
| 14:13.39 | simNIX | chrooted in home is easy with sshd2 and works perfect for me |
| 14:13.42 | Gratz474 | i love linux i would not have a server any other way but man my work flow is hurting right now |
| 14:13.47 | bluesceada | nik_gr: then you dont need and want it |
| 14:13.48 | iwkse | Gratz474: anyway if you have problems with gimp try on #gimp |
| 14:13.53 | ajavid | good morning |
| 14:13.54 | Gratz474 | i switch to windows for photoshop every 15 mins ;) |
| 14:14.01 | stew | denysonique: odd, that one should support hardware mixing. you might ask #alsa and/or #vbox |
| 14:14.03 | nik_gr | yes i di otherwise my card wont work |
| 14:14.03 | iwkse | Gratz474: probably you're doing something wrong |
| 14:14.09 | Gratz474 | iwkse, they don't even want to ehar it its a well known problem |
| 14:14.10 | ajavid | I have a 'dream system' but I don't know if this configuraition is possible easily |
| 14:14.14 | bluesceada | Gratz474: did you try the different scaling methods in gimp, and checked sinc lanczos ? |
| 14:14.20 | Gratz474 | yes |
| 14:14.20 | jelly | nik_gr: you can install via wired ethernet, then get a newer kernel later |
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| 14:14.29 | stew | nik_gr: what card won't work? |
| 14:14.34 | iwkse | Gratz474: what are you scaling? |
| 14:14.40 | nik_gr | TP-WN821N |
| 14:14.42 | Gratz474 | experiment, take an image a logo resize in gimp and in photoshop and see what happens |
| 14:14.49 | Gratz474 | i have done it so many times |
| 14:14.51 | ajavid | I would like the stability of lenny, with xorg7.4 for radeon, kernel 2.6.29, and good old kde3.5.10. Is this possible |
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| 14:15.03 | iwkse | Gratz474: mm.. |
| 14:15.06 | Gratz474 | and i had a client say that looks blurry and that is when i knew it was time to stop using gimp |
| 14:15.08 | bluesceada | ajavid: should be |
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| 14:15.10 | jelly | Gratz474: no bicubic/whatever scaling? Crap happens? :-) |
| 14:15.15 | nik_gr | jelly, i preder it has already 2.6.30 buit in since i dont know hwo to compile kernels |
| 14:15.22 | Gratz474 | iwkse, should be fixed for 2.8 they *say* |
| 14:15.28 | stew | nik_gr: then you have to wait a few months |
| 14:15.29 | jelly | nik_gr: there is no 2.6.30 yes |
| 14:15.30 | Gratz474 | they said that last time thoug hfor 2.6 |
| 14:15.32 | jelly | yet* |
| 14:15.39 | bluesceada | sinc lanczos is over-crisp sometimes |
| 14:15.49 | ajavid | or.. if there is a way for me to get kde3.5.10 in sid without building it from source |
| 14:15.57 | ajavid | that would really hit the spot |
| 14:16.00 | bluesceada | i sometimes do a cubic+sinc-lanczos scale... means i first scale the one, copy it, and then blend it over the other... |
| 14:16.15 | Gratz474 | bluesceada, i wish it worked how it was suppose to |
| 14:16.23 | bluesceada | yeh it's still not the best |
| 14:16.28 | beardy | Easier to whine and think gimp is shit innit. |
| 14:16.33 | jelly | ajavid: you could use kde3 from snapshot.debian.net |
| 14:16.43 | Gratz474 | not whining i have used it for years |
| 14:16.47 | Gratz474 | i like it alot |
| 14:16.53 | ajavid | I use gimp exclusively for frostedweb.com |
| 14:16.56 | Gratz474 | but its soo essential its not even funny |
| 14:17.06 | ajavid | 10+ clients so far, all done in gimp |
| 14:17.10 | ajavid | gimp is the shit man |
| 14:17.16 | ajavid | (for free I man) |
| 14:17.21 | Gratz474 | just don't resize down |
| 14:17.25 | jelly | beardy: easier to assume the user hasn't already tried everything before coming to an informed conclusion that Photoshop really is better, isn't it |
| 14:17.31 | Gratz474 | if soo .... :( |
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| 14:17.38 | ajavid | well, photoshop IS better. |
| 14:17.45 | ajavid | you can't argue that, and if you do, you're an idiot. |
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| 14:17.56 | jelly | ajavid: we have a lot of idiots here |
| 14:18.01 | ajavid | yeh |
| 14:18.02 | Gratz474 | photoshop has over 50 devs that work on it everyday |
| 14:18.05 | ajavid | thats everywhere |
| 14:18.11 | Gratz474 | gimp has like 5 active devs that are all busy ;) |
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| 14:18.25 | ajavid | this is not the place to discuss gimp vs photoshop |
| 14:18.29 | negge | If I used this (http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html) method of installing Linux, could I still reformat the whole harddrive or do I have to keep the partition with the previous OS on? |
| 14:18.29 | ajavid | get back to debian support please |
| 14:18.31 | Gratz474 | there is a cool factor in using gimp |
| 14:18.53 | bluesceada | yeh lets move to #gimp |
| 14:19.02 | iwkse | eheh |
| 14:19.05 | ajavid | negge, lemme see |
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| 14:19.41 | negge | ajavid: I'm thinking it should work as it loads the kernel and the inital filesystem to memory |
| 14:19.50 | ajavid | negge, yeh, thats the same instructions as the stuff in lenny install guide chapter 4,5 |
| 14:19.56 | stew | i can DEFINATELY make good arguments that gimp is better than photoshop |
| 14:19.57 | ajavid | negge, boot from existing linux system |
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| 14:20.07 | negge | ajavid: the thing is, the existing system is Windows 95 |
| 14:20.08 | negge | :D |
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| 14:20.14 | ajavid | negge, no problem |
| 14:20.29 | beardy | I can DEFINATELY feed pearls to swine. |
| 14:20.40 | ajavid | negge, follow the smame procedure but use grub4dos to boot the debian initrd/kernel |
| 14:20.48 | ajavid | google grub4dos |
| 14:21.01 | ajavid | I thought you threw pearls in front of swine |
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| 14:21.02 | negge | yeah I read about it |
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| 14:21.18 | negge | ajavid: I'm just afraid that the computers limited memory resources (40MB) won't be enough |
| 14:21.22 | negge | it's an old IBM thinkpad |
| 14:21.24 | ajavid | ouch |
| 14:21.31 | ajavid | do a lowmem install maybe? |
| 14:21.33 | ajavid | !mmhr |
| 14:21.33 | dpkg | i heard mmhr is Meeting Minimum Hardware Requirments per Debian 4.0 i386 install guide <ig> at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
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| 14:21.43 | ajavid | 40mb should be ok |
| 14:21.47 | negge | great |
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| 14:22.00 | ajavid | yeh, lowmem install |
| 14:22.08 | ajavid | look at min hard. req. though |
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| 14:22.50 | asulao | stew: good arguments for a design pro? No offense please, but most will just laugh at your face, sadly. |
| 14:22.51 | ajavid | ahhh no, |
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| 14:23.00 | ajavid | negge, 48mb is the minimal for i386, not 40 |
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| 14:23.13 | stew | asulao: well actually, I've not tried photoshop, do i just "aptitude install photoshop" to install it? |
| 14:23.23 | ajavid | stew, lol |
| 14:23.32 | NiLon | isn't photoshop windows only software? |
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| 14:23.36 | negge | ajavid: actually I'm thinking about install DSL |
| 14:23.38 | stew | asulao: no? score 1 for gimp, i guess. Can I get a deb somewhere else? no? score another for gimp. |
| 14:23.39 | asulao | stew: how do I get the sources? |
| 14:23.50 | negge | the sucky part is that the computer has no floppy, no network and I can't boot from the CD-ROM |
| 14:23.55 | stew | asulao: oh, i have to buy it? and i have to buy an operating system to run it in? score 3 and 4 for gimp |
| 14:23.59 | ajavid | asulao, he is kidding |
| 14:24.04 | asulao | I know |
| 14:24.05 | NiLon | negge usb-stick? |
| 14:24.06 | stew | i'm not |
| 14:24.20 | ajavid | stew, besides the freedom bit, feature wise, you can't really argue |
| 14:24.21 | bolt-work | NiLon: some old versions work on crossover |
| 14:24.27 | asulao | yes you are |
| 14:24.29 | asulao | hehe |
| 14:24.31 | ajavid | stew, I however agree with you 100% about those points |
| 14:24.36 | ajavid | stew, freedom is very important |
| 14:24.37 | martian67 | ajavid, not everyone needs photoshops fetures |
| 14:24.39 | stew | the freedome is much more important to me |
| 14:24.46 | ajavid | same here |
| 14:24.57 | stew | ajavid: but i'm an idiot for saying so, right? |
| 14:25.08 | ajavid | I do think photoshop is better, but for 99% of my things, gimp is better |
| 14:25.12 | beardy | Of course. |
| 14:25.16 | iwkse | yaa |
| 14:25.18 | negge | NiLon: it doesn't have USB either |
| 14:25.21 | beardy | Everyone is an idiot. |
| 14:25.22 | ajavid | stew, no, you are not, because you are not arguing its functionality or features |
| 14:25.23 | beardy | You too. |
| 14:25.31 | ajavid | stew, you are arguing against it being non-free |
| 14:25.32 | NiLon | negge that sucks then :p |
| 14:25.41 | ajavid | that is not the same thing as I was talking about earlier |
| 14:25.42 | stew | ajavid: which makes me an idiot according to you above |
| 14:25.54 | ajavid | stew, if you would like to be an idiot then there is nothing I Can do can I |
| 14:26.20 | stew | i see |
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| 14:26.35 | beardy | !flush |
| 14:26.36 | iwkse | if only all people that blame photoshop is better than gimp would found the gimp project they would stop to blame it very soon |
| 14:26.42 | ajavid | once again, besides the freedom bit, its not much better |
| 14:26.44 | iwkse | found/fund |
| 14:26.56 | ajavid | stew, and no, I'm not calling you an idiot |
| 14:27.07 | negge | NiLon: indeed it does |
| 14:27.12 | stew | ajavid: just people that would argue that gimp is better, like me |
| 14:27.14 | iwkse | you often forget gimp is given for free |
| 14:27.23 | SURFkees | jelly, bluesceada, seems mail-transfer-agent "is not installable" when I try to add it as a dependency |
| 14:27.35 | ajavid | stew, sure I stand by what I said |
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| 14:27.51 | bolt-work | iwkse: i suspect most of those people got photoshop "for free" too though |
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| 14:28.00 | ajavid | stew, obviously I have an opinion that you won't let me have. Thanks. |
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| 14:28.08 | iwkse | bolt-work: yes, too easy |
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| 14:28.13 | beardy | Have it and shut up. |
| 14:28.23 | ajavid | He is the one who keeps going on. I'm done. |
| 14:28.26 | jelly | SURFkees: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list, and outputs of "dpkg -l libc6 |tail 1", "apt-cache policy" |
| 14:28.47 | jelly | SURFkees: if sounds like your apt configuration is incomplete or broken |
| 14:29.10 | denysonique | stew: thanks anyway |
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| 14:29.48 | negge | ajavid: I'm gonna try the Grub4dos method now |
| 14:29.55 | ajavid | negge, go for it |
| 14:29.56 | bluesceada | SURFkees: maybe /etc/apt/preferences too |
| 14:29.59 | negge | ajavid: you ever used it? |
| 14:30.03 | ajavid | yes |
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| 14:30.09 | negge | and it worked for you? |
| 14:30.33 | jelly | !rube goldberg install |
| 14:30.33 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 14:30.52 | negge | :D |
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| 14:31.09 | ajavid | hm |
| 14:31.13 | ajavid | !debiandualboot |
| 14:31.13 | dpkg | debiandualboot is probably at http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html#debian-testing-sarge |
| 14:31.17 | ajavid | negge, this link may help |
| 14:31.26 | ajavid | dunno why its titled dualboot |
| 14:31.36 | ajavid | its on old resource, but the method holds true |
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| 14:33.50 | SURFkees | jelly, bluesceada, I don't have an /etc/apt/preferences. Here's the useful info I could think of: http://pastebin.com/d78dd317f |
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| 14:34.09 | bluesceada | ok you dont need to have that |
| 14:34.29 | ajavid | you need it when fucking with 3 deian flavors ;) |
| 14:34.37 | jelly | SURFkees: are there any errors when you run "aptitude update" or "apt-get update"? |
| 14:34.41 | SURFkees | nope |
| 14:34.42 | ajavid | but for a normal stable release/use, you don't need pref. |
| 14:34.55 | ajavid | who is rube goldberg? |
| 14:35.16 | jelly | SURFkees: also, where's that apt-cache policy and dpkg -l libc6|tail 1 |
| 14:35.31 | SURFkees | alright, will add that now |
| 14:35.57 | jelly | SURFkees: I guess it's possible your http://ftp.surfnet.nl/os/Linux/distr/debian/ mirror is incomplete |
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| 14:36.52 | jelly | SURFkees: control file... "mta-mail-transfer-agent" is wrong, should be "mail-transfer-agent" |
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| 14:37.08 | SURFkees | yea, I tried that too |
| 14:37.20 | SURFkees | jelly, same error |
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| 14:39.24 | SURFkees | jelly, http://pastebin.com/d6679ac66 |
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| 14:39.40 | anddam | hello |
| 14:40.02 | gentle-opera | hiya guys |
| 14:40.47 | gentle-opera | where is this chat room? any one |
| 14:40.52 | ajavid | you're in it. |
| 14:41.09 | gentle-opera | ajavit where r u man? |
| 14:41.15 | ajavid | in the virtual world |
| 14:41.17 | ajavid | cyberspace |
| 14:41.24 | ajavid | you mean physical freenode server locations? |
| 14:41.28 | ajavid | why do you cwant to know? |
| 14:41.28 | bolt-work | ... |
| 14:41.42 | bolt-work | gentle-opera: what do you mean? |
| 14:41.44 | ajavid | where am I? |
| 14:41.46 | ajavid | I'm at home |
| 14:41.49 | ajavid | where are you? |
| 14:41.58 | bolt-work | is it aol hour or something? |
| 14:42.08 | gentle-opera | i wnna know who and where im talkin to |
| 14:42.18 | stew | gentle-opera: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 14:42.39 | gentle-opera | i don kow whats that |
| 14:42.46 | bolt-work | gentle-opera: you're not going to get a list of the locations of everyone in the channel. there are a ton of people here from all over the world. who we are is unimportant |
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| 14:43.11 | stew | gentle-opera: if you don't have a debian related question, please stay quiet here. if you are looking for a social chat, try #defocus |
| 14:43.17 | ajavid | gentle-opera, people from all over the planet are here, and getting to know them individually will be very time consuming, you should simply just stick to asking questions about debian, for offtopic chatter, consider #debian-chat or #debian-offtopic |
| 14:43.36 | gentle-opera | OK, man |
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| 14:43.51 | greycat | There are over 800 people here. |
| 14:44.08 | ajavid | close to 900 |
| 14:44.24 | bolt-work | 892, to be exact |
| 14:44.34 | greycat | 880 by /list |
| 14:44.35 | ajavid | irssi shows 880 nicks |
| 14:44.41 | greycat | the 892 on overflow is a limit, not a count |
| 14:44.41 | gentle-opera | to be honest to u im looki for a girl |
| 14:44.50 | greycat | gentle-opera: look elsewhere |
| 14:44.59 | bolt-work | gentle-opera: wrong place. definately. we all have johnsons |
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| 14:45.09 | ajavid | gentle-opera, there are no girls on debian irc. try eharmony or something |
| 14:45.09 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@92.50.8.185] by stew |
| 14:45.09 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 14:45.26 | stew | there are girls on debian irc, but that's not the point... |
| 14:45.38 | bolt-work | just making fun, stew :) |
| 14:45.55 | anddam | hello |
| 14:45.56 | greycat | In a channel of this kind, it's best to assume everyone here is neuter. |
| 14:46.13 | gravity | A eunuch? |
| 14:46.14 | themill | s/neuter/a nutter/ |
| 14:46.28 | bolt-work | i'm a bolt, not a nut |
| 14:46.37 | petemc | nullo |
| 14:46.56 | themill | bolt-work: :) |
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| 14:47.37 | ajavid | see st peter at the golden gates, tell him you hates to make it wait, but you gotta have another cigarete |
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| 14:49.41 | ajavid | hm |
| 14:50.18 | ajavid | jelly, you think I could pin kde* from testing while on sid and install kde3 on sid that way, instead of snapshops, use testing? |
| 14:50.51 | ajavid | I wonder if that would cause any problems with anything |
| 14:51.04 | jelly | ajavid: I've no idea, but kde3 is going to eventually disappear from squeeze, too |
| 14:51.10 | ajavid | awwww |
| 14:51.22 | ajavid | they should have never made kde4 |
| 14:51.35 | ajavid | so lenny will release without it? |
| 14:51.38 | ajavid | I mean squeeze |
| 14:51.39 | jelly | pinning almost always causes problems, but sometimes it fixes more than it causes |
| 14:51.56 | greycat | ajavid: s/4$// |
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| 14:52.08 | jelly | s/kde/gnome/ |
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| 14:52.18 | ajavid | personal perf. > * |
| 14:52.28 | jelly | !start a de war |
| 14:52.29 | ajavid | thats all there is to it mates. |
| 14:52.44 | jelly | dpkg: I'm disappointed in you. |
| 14:52.44 | bolt-work | perf? |
| 14:52.45 | dpkg | jelly: I give up, what is it? |
| 14:52.50 | ajavid | preference |
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| 14:53.00 | ajavid | seriously, put two and two together and overlook the typos |
| 14:53.17 | themill | !typosmite ajavid |
| 14:53.18 | dpkg | makes ajavid raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr. |
| 14:53.19 | jelly | bolt-work: obviously ajavid's personal performance is better than anyone's |
| 14:53.34 | bolt-work | of course |
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| 14:53.36 | ajavid | of course it is |
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| 14:53.46 | ajavid | what would it be otherwise? |
| 14:53.53 | ajavid | you want me to use YOUR personal pref.? |
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| 14:54.42 | ajavid | oh,, he said performance |
| 14:54.43 | ajavid | doh |
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| 14:56.06 | bbelt16ag | hi peeps if I use data dvd in basero and put my video_ts in it will it make me a dvd to play? thinking not |
| 14:56.18 | ajavid | sure |
| 14:56.26 | bbelt16ag | I don't see a dvd video button |
| 14:56.28 | ajavid | if you already have your movies converted to dvd VOB format |
| 14:56.36 | bbelt16ag | ok.. |
| 14:56.43 | ajavid | all you have to do is construct the audio_ts and video_ts folders and burn |
| 14:56.48 | bbelt16ag | cool |
| 14:56.53 | ajavid | I've done it, and it works fine, this is how i used to burn in k3b |
| 14:57.00 | bbelt16ag | there is no audio ts folder |
| 14:57.09 | ajavid | use mencoder to transcode to VOB and then burn using k3b |
| 14:57.17 | ajavid | no need, just have the folder there |
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| 14:57.26 | ajavid | google it up a bit too |
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| 14:58.11 | ajavid | there are other dvd authoring tools you can use, I dont konw of them, but others might |
| 14:58.24 | ajavid | apt-cache search dvd |
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| 15:02.02 | jelly | !dvd rippin |
| 15:02.03 | jelly | !dvd ripping |
| 15:02.03 | dpkg | dvdripping is probably at http://www.bunkus.org/dvdripping4linux/single/, or ask about <dvd::rip>, <ogmrip>, <handbrake>. Or just use vobcopy. |
| 15:02.10 | jelly | !factinfo dvd ripping |
| 15:02.11 | dpkg | dvd ripping -- created by gsimmons <~gsimmons@li5-248.members.linode.com> at Fri Jan 2 05:22:16 2009 (126 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by jelly, 7s ago. |
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| 15:02.43 | robodriver | Hallo Test |
| 15:02.46 | ajavid | jelly, he wants the opposite of ripping |
| 15:02.48 | robodriver | Bin ich drin? |
| 15:02.49 | ajavid | jelly, he wants burning |
| 15:03.04 | jelly | !de |
| 15:03.04 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 15:03.19 | bbelt16ag | well both of them crash k3b and basero wth |
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| 15:04.21 | simNIX | on Lenny what package should I add for the Jave Runtime enviroment in Firefox ? |
| 15:04.32 | simNIX | it now ponts me to manual install |
| 15:04.45 | simNIX | id rather use something form the repository .. |
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| 15:05.22 | greycat | sun-java6-plugin looks promising. |
| 15:05.42 | greycat | "apt-cache search sun java" to see a big huge list. |
| 15:05.47 | robodriver | geht essen |
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| 15:07.03 | simNIX | tnx ill try |
| 15:07.18 | leOn | anyone sees any major downside of building and using an ubuntu kernel on a sid machine ...? |
| 15:07.18 | simNIX | the huge list is what got me asking which one |
| 15:07.57 | simNIX | leOn, upside would be stablility if you dont mix ub and deb ... |
| 15:07.59 | xoz | k |
| 15:08.13 | maligor | leOn, why would you want to? |
| 15:08.28 | maligor | I doubt using a ubuntu kernel would have any big issues |
| 15:08.39 | maligor | I've just had plenty of no-boot issues with ubuntu's kernels that I've tried |
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| 15:09.20 | maligor | if you need some specific feature, just grab the patch for the feature and build your own from vanilla |
| 15:09.32 | leOn | problem is that i need a xen kernel >= 2.6.28 |
| 15:09.39 | leOn | which doesn't exist on debian |
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| 15:10.41 | xoz | leOn: what is there in that xen kernel? |
| 15:10.55 | enouf | simNIX: also note; update-java-alternatives |
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| 15:11.09 | xoz | leOn: that you need |
| 15:11.57 | enouf | bbelt16ag: i tried using brasero, iinm .. oh, no wait, it was DeVeDe from dmm |
| 15:12.29 | leOn | it's for a rather experimental machine ... i want to use a xen kernel on a laptop, which has better hw support on kernels >= 2.6.28 |
| 15:12.31 | faffi | Hey guys, im trying to compile a driver module and im getting this error "*** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop." |
| 15:12.36 | bbelt16ag | well I am gonna use the cli tools grwoisofs |
| 15:12.53 | bbelt16ag | etc to make one I am not sure but those dvds might be broken |
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| 15:13.09 | greycat | faffi: sounds like you are not following the correct set of instructions |
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| 15:13.24 | enouf | bbelt16ag: but on an ISO i ripped from a movie ...seems like it would work .. my iso was over 7.xGB and i have no dual layer dvds to test on .. but if you wanted a multi-mode DVD? with various tracks, like those odd CDs do .. not sure what to tell ya |
| 15:13.39 | faffi | greycat: I'm pretty sure I am and I have the kernel headers installed |
| 15:14.01 | greycat | faffi: well, you're typing "make modules" in a directory where there isn't such a target in the local Makefile |
| 15:14.10 | enouf | bbelt16ag: smart - use either the -dvd-compatible, or -dvd-video option .. man genisoimage as well |
| 15:14.19 | faffi | greycat: i'm typing just make |
| 15:14.36 | faffi | in the Module directory of the rt2500 driver |
| 15:14.57 | bbelt16ag | well I got me a script to make a a vi into a dvd which is the last file I wanted to make into a dvd. |
| 15:15.04 | enouf | faffi: did you read any/all README or INSTALL files? |
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| 15:15.05 | bbelt16ag | so we'll see if it's the software or videos |
| 15:15.16 | enouf | faffi: and where did you get that source from? |
| 15:15.23 | faffi | enouf: yeah, the website said, make; make install. the source is from sourceforge |
| 15:15.42 | enouf | bbelt16ag: dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd is another nice command |
| 15:16.04 | greycat | faffi: what URL? |
| 15:16.25 | greycat | http://sourceforge.net/projects/rt2400 says "This project is no longer under active development" etc. |
| 15:16.33 | faffi | greycat: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=107832 |
| 15:16.55 | faffi | Betas-> 2500 driver |
| 15:17.02 | greycat | ''The Legacy Ralink drivers have permanently been deprecated in favor of the in-kernel rt2x00 drivers.'' |
| 15:17.24 | enouf | !listvals rt25 |
| 15:17.25 | faffi | greycat: Yeah, that wouldnt explain why they dont compile though |
| 15:17.26 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rt25' by value (15 of 16): awlh3026t ;; dwl-g122 ;; ew-7108pcg ;; f5d7050 ;; ralink ;; rt2500 ;; rt2500pci ;; rt2500usb ;; rt2570 ;; rt2571 ;; rt2x00 ;; rt61 ;; rt73 ;; wl167g ;; wusb54g. |
| 15:17.39 | greycat | faffi: it's from freakin' 2004 and it's been abandoned. And you're not in 2004. |
| 15:17.47 | ajavid | uses rt2561, rt61pci driver |
| 15:17.48 | enouf | ugh .. PCI and/or USB? wtf? |
| 15:17.54 | faffi | the beta ones were last updated in 2006 |
| 15:17.58 | faffi | USB |
| 15:17.58 | greycat | The linux kernel APIs CHANGE dramatically every frickin' year. Or month. |
| 15:18.05 | enouf | !rt2500usb |
| 15:18.06 | dpkg | The Ralink RT2500USB chipset (RT2571) is supported by the enhanced legacy driver (rt2570) and next-generation driver (rt2500usb), both available from the <rt2x00> project. See http://wiki.debian.org/rt2500usb for driver installation instructions. See also <rt2x00>. |
| 15:18.15 | greycat | rt2500 rt2500-1.0.0 December 4, 2004 |
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| 15:18.31 | ajavid | zf1.8 changed a bunch, I had to rewrite a lot of my older app to work in the new versio |
| 15:18.35 | ajavid | bullshit I swear to god |
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| 15:19.20 | ajavid | now i need linux-firmware package to make my radeon work |
| 15:19.28 | enouf | uh.. |
| 15:19.30 | ajavid | thats crazy |
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| 15:19.40 | enouf | ajavid: wtf? |
| 15:19.41 | ajavid | yes my thoughts are not related |
| 15:19.44 | [1]Michael | !list |
| 15:19.45 | dpkg | [1]michael: VATTENE VIA |
| 15:19.59 | ajavid | !info linux-firmware |
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| 15:20.31 | maligor | the microcode I guess? |
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| 15:20.52 | faffi | !rt2501USB |
| 15:20.52 | dpkg | The Ralink RT73 USB chipset (RT2501USB/RT2571W) is supported by the enhanced legacy driver (rt73) and next-generation driver (rt73usb), both available from the <rt2x00> project. Firmware is required to be loaded before driver operation. See http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 for driver and firmware installation instructions. See also <ralink firmware>, <rt2x00>. |
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| 15:21.32 | enouf | wonders if IML (Initial Microcode *Load*) is related to taking a dump on your software |
| 15:21.58 | maligor | I think it makes entirely sense to separate binary blobs from kernel, the sources are friggen big as it is |
| 15:22.00 | enouf | faffi: you can also /msg dpkg <factoid> |
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| 15:23.16 | greycat | maligor: I'd be happy if I could avoid having to repartition my disk every 3 years when my root file system which USED to be big enough to hold 3 or 4 kernels now can't even hold 2. |
| 15:23.18 | faffi | enouf: thanks :P |
| 15:24.04 | greycat | Hopefully the ones that are 1 GB will last for a few years.... |
| 15:24.06 | maligor | greycat, move more stuff to modules |
| 15:24.15 | greycat | maligor: the modules are *in the root file system* |
| 15:24.26 | greycat | I'm talking about Debian kernel images. |
| 15:24.26 | enouf | asks greycat if he'd like to make any suggestions/comments about http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html :-p |
| 15:24.58 | maligor | oh, I don't use debian's premade images :P |
| 15:25.02 | ajavid | oh |
| 15:25.08 | ajavid | !firmware-linux |
| 15:25.12 | ajavid | !info firmware-linux |
| 15:25.13 | maligor | I have most drivers built in tho, seems to be around 2.2MB, big stuff |
| 15:25.14 | dpkg | firmware-linux: (Binary firmware for Linux shipped firmwares), section non-free/kernel, is optional. Version: 0.16 (sid), Packaged size: 69 kB, Installed size: 308 kB |
| 15:25.37 | ajavid | see.. but they listed it on the page |
| 15:25.57 | enouf | karsten: hope you are still being open to such :-) (just trying to help - i'm slowly getting through the page - seems ok for the most part, maybe a bit rewording of certain things is all i see so far) |
| 15:26.06 | ajavid | so at least that, new ati radeon firmware was put into it too, took me 3 hours to try and figure it out, and then finally I read that its in this package now |
| 15:26.52 | maligor | ajavid, and no dependencies on any driver I guess? |
| 15:27.07 | ajavid | yes you do |
| 15:27.11 | enouf | !listvals linux-firmware |
| 15:27.13 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'linux-firmware' by value (1): acenic firmware. |
| 15:27.23 | ajavid | xorg7.4, mesa, firmware-linux, radeon driver |
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| 15:27.33 | greycat | enouf: "A minimal installation can fit in 30 MiB or less." -- out of date. |
| 15:27.55 | ajavid | thats all the components you need to get the highest supported card 580chipset to use hardware rasterization so to speak |
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| 15:28.17 | ajavid | you can still have dri, but you need the gl render string to return from this firmware |
| 15:28.23 | greycat | A single Debian kernel image is way more than 30 MB. (And I refuse to acknowledge MiB as a valid abbreviation for megabytes.) |
| 15:28.35 | ajavid | you shouldn't have to greycat |
| 15:28.42 | ajavid | MiB is MibiByte |
| 15:28.49 | ajavid | not MegaByte, MegaByte is still MB |
| 15:28.53 | greycat | I refuse to acknowledge MibiByte as a valid word. |
| 15:28.54 | themill | subtracts 10% from the size of all of greycat's disks |
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| 15:29.00 | ajavid | greycat, how come? |
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| 15:29.10 | enouf | greycat: indeed - although way up i see updated info (the page was updated not too long ago) - thanks - Could you please either ping, or /msg karsten about anything you find out of place (or even comments)? |
| 15:29.15 | greycat | We have a perfectly good word, "megabyte", which means 1048576 bytes. |
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| 15:29.26 | greycat | It doesn't sound like a drunken fucktard. |
| 15:29.26 | enouf | haha @ MiB |
| 15:29.43 | ajavid | you can chose to do what you want, but this is how languges vocabularies grow, if everyfrom in the 14th century was like you, we'd still probably be having 10k words in the english langauge ;) |
| 15:29.46 | enouf | MebiByte .. |
| 15:29.59 | jelly | MebiNot. |
| 15:30.01 | enouf | it's one of the few the uses e as 2nd letter |
| 15:30.12 | enouf | if not the only one |
| 15:30.35 | themill | greycat: except that (a) "mega" also has a precise meaning in the unit system and (b) other people (namely HDD manufacturers) have long used mega to mean 10^6 by that other definition. |
| 15:30.42 | enouf | ah http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html |
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| 15:30.57 | ajavid | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte |
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| 15:31.03 | enouf | Pebi, Tebi, etc |
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| 15:31.26 | ajavid | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte |
| 15:31.26 | nkuttler | themill: mega was precise in computing before hd manufacturers started their marketing bs |
| 15:31.30 | ajavid | fuck |
| 15:31.36 | ranix | !fuck |
| 15:31.36 | dpkg | [fuck] cool |
| 15:31.38 | greycat | themill: yeah, yeah, I know, but seriously -- DID THEY HAVE TO PICK "mibi"?! |
| 15:31.38 | ajavid | The unit prefix mebi was defined by the International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) in December 1998. |
| 15:31.44 | themill | nkuttler: it was precisely an approximation... |
| 15:31.45 | ajavid | greycat, my bad, Mebi |
| 15:31.46 | lord_rob | Hi ! My wireless ipw2200 doesn't work anymore since I've upgraded to kernel linux-image-2.6.29-2-686 any idea why (still works when I boot on .28 of course) ? |
| 15:32.08 | ajavid | lord_rob, try installing firmware-linux pacakge! |
| 15:32.15 | nkuttler | lord_rob: hasn't ipw2200 been removed from debian kernels because there's no firmware anyway? |
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| 15:32.28 | greycat | themill: it's repulsive. |
| 15:32.31 | ajavid | lord_rob, just a shot in the dark |
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| 15:32.40 | greycat | Might as well have just called them "kakabytes" |
| 15:32.49 | ranix | quick do better |
| 15:32.53 | kiraa | hey guys, if I mix DDR2 modules (2x667 and 2x533), and if I adjust the timings to the manufacturer specs, and then overclock (change timings) of the slower ones to match the faster ones, will that work? |
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| 15:32.57 | ajavid | kakapoopoo megabytings |
| 15:33.12 | ajavid | I have fourty two megabytings |
| 15:33.20 | ranix | kiraa: depends on the slower ramz |
| 15:33.28 | ajavid | kiraa, yes |
| 15:33.51 | ajavid | kiraa, given you CAN change the timings, at 667 ddr2 module I'm guessing its about CAS 5, unless you have a good high quality dimm |
| 15:33.51 | themill | often wishes we had metric time... |
| 15:33.54 | ranix | kiraa: you may have to overvolt, which may reduce the lifespans of both modules not just the one |
| 15:34.01 | ajavid | kiraa, and the 2nd one is what? be more specific, provide numbers |
| 15:34.09 | enouf | ajavid: do i understand correctly? In order for the Sid/Squeeze(?) radeon (for your r5xx x1900xt PCIe card) Xorg driver to work properly; you now need to install and use the firmware-linux pkg to get the same performance as before |
| 15:34.20 | enouf | or .. even work... or whatever? |
| 15:34.41 | ajavid | enouf, that is correct, the radeon firmware 250 something .bin file is now in that package |
| 15:34.54 | ajavid | atom firmware used by radeon |
| 15:34.55 | enouf | thanks |
| 15:35.12 | kiraa | the faster ones: DDR2-667 1GB CL4-4-4-12.. the only thing I know about the slower one sis the speed 533MHz |
| 15:35.18 | ajavid | it will work, its just that you will have direct rendering via software rasterization |
| 15:35.21 | ajavid | meaning not true 3d |
| 15:35.25 | ajavid | or hw based |
| 15:35.39 | enouf | !myram |
| 15:35.39 | dpkg | i heard myram is install and run 'dmidecode -t memory' as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools pkg, if available to you (lenny/squeeze/sid), modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed info. For Etch users, try the lm-sensors pkg, and see /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/decode-dimms.pl and other docs. Try 'lshal | grep smbios' to obtain mainboard and BIOS info. |
| 15:35.48 | ajavid | kiraa, find out the timings of the other dimm |
| 15:35.56 | ajavid | at 533, it should be able to do CAS4 |
| 15:36.09 | greycat | dmidecode needs root apparently... |
| 15:36.11 | kiraa | well I dont have access to that computer at the moment |
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| 15:36.43 | lord_rob | I already have this firmware-linux package installed, in order to enable my radeon 3D support ajavid but this doesn't seem to change anything to the ipw2200 support :( so I'll be forced to go back to .28 |
| 15:36.52 | ajavid | if you have a high quality module with a heat spreader, you should be able to up the memory clock to 667, and run in dual channel interleaved perhaps run them both at 667 and CAS5 |
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| 15:37.13 | ajavid | if you can't do CAS4 with the 533 stick drop both sticks to CAS5 and then try uping the clock on the 533 stick |
| 15:37.23 | ajavid | usually looser timings provide higher clocks |
| 15:37.32 | kiraa | ajavid: maybe 667 cas4??? |
| 15:37.43 | ajavid | you want to keep both timings the same |
| 15:37.50 | kiraa | Oh I see |
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| 15:38.29 | kiraa | so for a stable system, the timings HAVE to be the same? |
| 15:38.38 | ajavid | and how are you increasing your memory clock speed? via the fsb or through the multiplier? |
| 15:38.43 | ajavid | memory multiplier? |
| 15:39.03 | kiraa | just timings and voltage... that Ii have on my baseboard |
| 15:39.09 | kiraa | thats all* |
| 15:39.31 | ajavid | I have 1066mhz ddr2, already overclocked, but at 1.9vdimm, I only upped to 2.08vdimm and now at 1333 |
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| 15:39.44 | ajavid | if that helps, you shouldn't need to up the voltate on either |
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| 15:40.02 | ajavid | when I ran my 667mhz ram at 1000mhz i uppsed from 1.8 to 2.0 |
| 15:40.04 | kiraa | but timings HAVE to be the same, is that the rule? |
| 15:40.06 | adb | #hardware |
| 15:40.08 | ajavid | but thats huge overclock |
| 15:40.10 | darkweasel | hello, i use the german keyboard layout and recently switched from ubuntu to debian. on ubuntu i could type esperanto characters like a "c" with a circumflex using the circumflex key, and use the compose key for u-breve - on debian this doesn't work any longer. anyone know how i can make this work again? |
| 15:40.15 | ajavid | anyway, I gotta go do stuff, leaving house now |
| 15:40.17 | enouf | adb: it's about time! ;-) |
| 15:40.37 | adb | enouf: ;-) |
| 15:40.38 | kiraa | [smile' thanks guys, u r the best |
| 15:41.21 | nkuttler | darkweasel: that probably depends on which apps you're using |
| 15:41.48 | darkweasel | well, for example in irssi + firefox/iceweasel it worked in ubuntu, but not on debian :( |
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| 15:42.33 | kriebel | wtf is with the Debian installer DHCPing without asking? |
| 15:42.37 | kriebel | this is very wrong |
| 15:43.04 | enouf | kriebel: no, it's not, read the Installation guide- that's easily disabled |
| 15:43.19 | kriebel | fine |
| 15:43.24 | kriebel | I still think it's a terrible default |
| 15:43.24 | lord_rob | darkweasel: apt-cache search esperanto <<<< Might be useful |
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| 15:43.39 | nkuttler | darkweasel: maybe it's the nodeadkeys setting |
| 15:44.00 | darkweasel | nkuttler, that's what somebody on lernu.net also said ;) |
| 15:44.06 | darkweasel | i already disabled this + restarted x11 |
| 15:44.09 | darkweasel | still doesn't work |
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| 15:44.20 | darkweasel | also i can type û and things like that, but not on consonants |
| 15:44.31 | enouf | darkweasel: /msg dpkg locales (cross all T's, dot all i's) |
| 15:44.40 | enouf | er .. |
| 15:44.49 | greycat | I'd love to find out how to find out what glyphs are available through the Compose key in various locales in various OSes, other than trial and error. |
| 15:44.59 | enouf | heh |
| 15:45.06 | enouf | !utf9 |
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| 15:45.15 | enouf | !utf8 |
| 15:45.16 | dpkg | somebody said utf8 was how the Perl and PHP people spell UTF-8. See also <UTF-8>. |
| 15:45.45 | nkuttler | darkweasel: last resort, xmodmap |
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| 15:46.11 | darkweasel | can you give me a good guide to using this? |
| 15:46.44 | nkuttler | no. i'm happy using vim + digraphs |
| 15:46.44 | greycat | ".utf8" is also how locales spell it. |
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| 15:47.27 | enouf | knows he has some Compose key set in xorg.conf, but has no idea how to use it :-P |
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| 15:48.00 | enouf | plus .. i love how the 'localepurge' pkg does it's magic and rids me of extraneous system bloatware |
| 15:48.04 | nkuttler | darkweasel: are you using gnome or kde? i'd guess they have some tool to configure that.. |
| 15:48.08 | darkweasel | gnome |
| 15:48.23 | jcranmer | I just updated from 2.6.26-1-686 to 2.6.26-2-686 and all of a sudden, my wireless broke |
| 15:48.28 | Ergo^ | where should i go to get some help on X being very slow? |
| 15:48.30 | enouf | gconf-tool{2} ? |
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| 15:48.46 | jcranmer | I've been using madwifi |
| 15:48.48 | jcranmer | 0e:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) |
| 15:48.49 | enouf | jcranmer: did you have to compile a module to get it to work? |
| 15:48.50 | enouf | yes |
| 15:48.53 | jcranmer | enouf: yes |
| 15:48.54 | enouf | you did then |
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| 15:49.13 | enouf | welcome to the world of Binary Blobules |
| 15:49.30 | jcranmer | I also noticed that aptitude says that the madwifi-source package does not exist anymore |
| 15:49.37 | enouf | just reboot into your older kernel :-P |
| 15:49.49 | enouf | unless there was some security fix or something .. |
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| 15:49.59 | greycat | enouf: you press Compose, e, ' and it gives you é |
| 15:50.16 | greycat | enouf: but there's no documentation I'm aware of which tells you what the possible combinations are. |
| 15:50.25 | jcranmer | greycat: if you read the actual file |
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| 15:50.30 | enouf | greycat: heh - i see two boxes where you said "... gives you [] []" :-) |
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| 15:50.47 | greycat | enouf: I'm on an ISO-8859-1 display |
| 15:50.59 | enouf | aye |
| 15:51.05 | greycat | using irssi, and who knows what it's doing. |
| 15:51.07 | darkweasel | where are those combinations saved? maybe i can copy a german keyboard layout from ubuntu to my debian system or something like this (or is that something i shouldn't do?) |
| 15:51.24 | greycat | jcranmer: what file would that be? |
| 15:51.28 | enouf | i think somewhere in /usr/share/locale ? |
| 15:51.29 | amphi | greycat: for console, the digraphs are in the key map if I recall correctly |
| 15:51.37 | jcranmer | /usr/share/X11/locale/<locale>/Compose |
| 15:51.39 | greycat | I don't care about console.... |
| 15:51.49 | nkuttler | darkweasel: xsession is a good place.. or whatever gnome uses |
| 15:51.57 | jcranmer | or you can also dump stuff in a .XCompose file as well |
| 15:52.11 | nkuttler | darkweasel: afaik xmodmap can dump the current layout, so you should be able to copy the ubuntu one |
| 15:52.27 | greycat | jcranmer: cool... now to see if I can find something analogous on HP-UX! |
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| 15:52.31 | enouf | install ubuntu again to see! |
| 15:52.41 | amphi | oh, well - 'Compose' made me think you meant console; in X it's called Multi_key as far as I know |
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| 15:52.52 | darkweasel | would my ubuntu 8.04 live cd also work for this? |
| 15:52.59 | darkweasel | or do i really have to reinstall it completely? |
| 15:53.06 | enouf | amphi: Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps,compose:ralt" ? |
| 15:53.44 | enouf | amphi: also note; in /etc/console*/* somewhere is some sort of sick reference to X concerning layout |
| 15:54.12 | greycat | Damn... no directories named "locale" under /usr (other than inside /usr/local) and no files named "compose" or "Compose" under /usr at all. |
| 15:54.13 | enouf | amphi: like john kerry - it's a flip-flopper :-p |
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| 15:54.28 | greycat | Nor under /etc. |
| 15:54.57 | darkweasel | well.. /usr/share/X11/locale, on my system, includes a few directories, but no "de" ones, and i don't really need things like japanese ;) |
| 15:56.00 | themill | !compose sequences |
| 15:56.01 | dpkg | The complete list of combinations of compose sequences is in /usr/share/X11/locale/*/Compose, where * depends on your locale (utf8 is default). See also http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html or ask me about <compose> |
| 15:56.01 | amphi | enouf: oh, well; xmodmap calls it Multi_key, as does xev |
| 15:56.10 | greycat | More directories should have files named README in them saying "This is what's here, and here's the manual page you should be reading, and here's the RFC number..." |
| 15:56.13 | nkuttler | darkweasel: look into xkeycaps maybe |
| 15:56.34 | darkweasel | where is that? |
| 15:56.43 | nkuttler | darkweasel: install it |
| 15:56.47 | darkweasel | ah, ok |
| 15:56.57 | greycat | No manual entry for compose.dir |
| 15:56.59 | faffi | enouf: I knew there was i reason i wanted a different source i was trying to compile, the debian one doesnt have fragmentation support :P |
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| 15:57.37 | greycat | No compose.dir on HP-UX either. :( |
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| 15:58.11 | enouf | faffi: and exactly what does "fragmentation support" achieve? it can discern broken/fragmented packets? |
| 15:58.43 | faffi | enouf: no, its an aircrack feature |
| 15:59.02 | enouf | faffi: i only usually associate fragment/defragment with HDD and scattering about of files which causes enormous amounts of unneeded head seeks |
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| 15:59.25 | enouf | faffi: and what does it allow for? deciphering? |
| 15:59.40 | maligor | mmm... a market niche, a wifi defragmenter ... a white tower with blinking leds |
| 15:59.56 | beardy | enouf: Fragmented packets are not broken, they are just fragmented into more packets if the MTU is too low for it, somewhere along the line. |
| 15:59.58 | enouf | obolesque! |
| 16:00.06 | enouf | thinks he misspelled that |
| 16:00.14 | greycat | Obelisk |
| 16:00.19 | enouf | awaits for amphi to correct hime |
| 16:00.20 | faffi | enouf: its used to generate a .xor file which you use with packetforge to create an arp request |
| 16:00.21 | enouf | thanks greycat ;-) |
| 16:00.34 | enouf | looks incorrect though ... oh well |
| 16:01.07 | amphi | 'obolesque' is a nice neologism ;) |
| 16:01.14 | darkweasel | so.. how exactly do i change that in xkeycaps? i couldn't find out that myself somehow |
| 16:01.29 | greycat | Monoliths are more popular. |
| 16:01.33 | enouf | faffi: wonderful - is it useful for anything other than arp-cache poisoning attempts? |
| 16:01.55 | kriebel | netcfg/disable_dhcp=true ? Is that a joke? |
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| 16:02.02 | faffi | enouf: yeah, its needed to penetrate a wep network without it having clients i believe |
| 16:02.19 | enouf | "white tower with blinkinlights" made me think of the washington monument :-P |
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| 16:02.43 | enouf | faffi: ok .. gotcha |
| 16:02.53 | enouf | kriebel: nope |
| 16:03.23 | jocelyn | bye guys |
| 16:03.28 | zcserei | I just updated from etch to lenny. On the etch system I had postgresql-7.4 installed, after the update I installed postgresql-8.3. I did an apt-get remove postgresql-7.4, however, it seems not to be uninstalled. |
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| 16:03.43 | zcserei | How can I remove postgresql-7.4 finally? |
| 16:03.45 | nkuttler | darkweasel: man xkeycaps seems to have all you need to know |
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| 16:04.02 | greycat | zcserei: apt-get --purge remove if you want to get rid of the "rc " (config files) |
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| 16:04.48 | zcserei | greycat, it says postgresql-7.4 not installed, so not removed. |
| 16:05.04 | greycat | What makes you think it's still installed? |
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| 16:06.52 | darkweasel | somehow ^ already generates dead_circumflex, but only allows me to use it with vowels.. |
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| 16:07.56 | beardy | What is a circumflex now again? |
| 16:08.08 | darkweasel | for example the thing above û |
| 16:08.13 | nkuttler | does any language use ^ on consonants anyway? |
| 16:08.19 | darkweasel | yes - esperanto |
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| 16:08.29 | darkweasel | which is, as i said, what i want to type ;) |
| 16:08.33 | beardy | That was my thought.. if it is possible/existing at all. |
| 16:09.04 | beardy | darkweasel: Can you type that in your current charset? |
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| 16:09.29 | darkweasel | i think yes, as ubuntu and debian use the same or not? and i can read them too.. |
| 16:09.56 | beardy | Ok, well if you can read them then you can, when you.. fix it. |
| 16:10.18 | zcserei | greycat, nothing makes me think its still installed, but how can I remove then just the "rc" files, if it's no longer installed? |
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| 16:10.30 | darkweasel | yeah, and that fixing is exactly what i'm trying ;) |
| 16:10.40 | greycat | zcserei: dpkg --purge pkgname, or apt-get --purge remove pkgname |
| 16:10.53 | themill | or aptitude purge pkgname |
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| 16:11.02 | stew | apt-get won't purge an already removed package |
| 16:11.04 | beardy | darkweasel: Yep, I realize that. Just making sure it's possible to achieve. |
| 16:11.14 | greycat | stew: oh, that sucks. |
| 16:11.16 | zcserei | stew, so what is to be done? |
| 16:11.17 | stew | indeed |
| 16:11.21 | beardy | Not sure aptitude does either. |
| 16:11.24 | greycat | zcserei: dpkg --purge pkgname |
| 16:11.27 | stew | zcserei: use either the dpkg or aptitude commands |
| 16:11.28 | beardy | Manually or dpkg I think it is. |
| 16:12.16 | enouf | the -P option |
| 16:12.29 | greycat | I've always spelled out --purge |
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| 16:13.13 | enouf | i do too, but with apt-get ... ;-) |
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| 16:13.39 | themill | darkweasel: "setxkbmap -option compose:caps" lets me generate Å and Ä (^s and ^c). NFC what other characters you're looking for. |
| 16:13.49 | enouf | by the time the frustration sets in, i'm ready for the shortest possible amount of typing :-p |
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| 16:14.03 | JyZyXEL | http://pastebin.com/m5bc5711c |
| 16:14.27 | darkweasel | themill, doesn't work - or do i have to restart x11 for this? |
| 16:14.33 | amortvigil | hello who can tell me how i connect with an wpa network? i have an artheros and i installed madwifi and kwlan |
| 16:14.41 | enouf | now, i see; " ... generate [] and [] (^s and ^c) ..." |
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| 16:14.50 | themill | darkweasel: no restart required. Should work straight away. BTW how are you testing this? |
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| 16:15.01 | amortvigil | it is bugging me about a dynamic ip wich cant be set or something |
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| 16:15.21 | enouf | which is ok by me - i need no fixing fellas .. thanks anyway |
| 16:15.38 | darkweasel | i'm testing it simply by typing ^c ;) as it worked on ubuntu - or do i have to type them another way? |
| 16:15.46 | darkweasel | the german layout has an own ^ key |
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| 16:15.56 | darkweasel | which i use as a dead key |
| 16:16.13 | amortvigil | am i back? |
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| 16:17.44 | themill | darkweasel: ahh... that's a different thing again. All the instructions people have been giving you have been to use the compose key/multi key -- so with that command, it's CAPS ^ c (three keys one after the other, where ^ is shift+6 on my UK keyboard). Same for é which is CAPS ' e. |
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| 16:20.03 | darkweasel | so.. with "CAPS" you mean compose? or capslock? |
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| 16:20.36 | g00se | My lcd monitor's just developed a short 1px green line: any way i can give it an electronic slap? |
| 16:20.40 | darkweasel | (yes, i'm pretty much a noob :p) |
| 16:20.40 | jelly | Compose ^ c works for me: Ä |
| 16:21.11 | enouf | doesn't '^' usually designate use the CTRL key? |
| 16:21.18 | themill | darkweasel: the command I gave you turned capslock into the multi key. |
| 16:21.29 | darkweasel | ah..! |
| 16:21.43 | darkweasel | actually i had the right windows key as a multi key before ;) |
| 16:21.46 | themill | enouf: only when used in the context of ^H, ^C etc. It's also a key on the keyboard though... |
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| 16:22.04 | greycat | I use Alt_R as my Multi_key on HP-UX (since my first keyboard didn't have the windows/logo keys) |
| 16:22.12 | jelly | is ÅÄared |
| 16:22.17 | enouf | themill: ok .. so, when you say shift+6 you do not mean the CTRL key? ok |
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| 16:22.34 | themill | darkweasel: yeah, my laptop only only has one logo key hence using capslock. |
| 16:22.39 | greycat | I use Super_R on Linux (which is the logo key) |
| 16:23.07 | ComradeHaz | Hi all, just installed using the rc2 net inst cd and created an LVM as I've done plenty of times before but it insisted on installing LILO which now appears unable to boot from the LVM for some reason |
| 16:23.12 | darkweasel | hm somehow it still doesnt work for me, neither with the german nor with the uk lazout |
| 16:23.13 | darkweasel | uh |
| 16:23.16 | ComradeHaz | so I end up at a busy box |
| 16:23.19 | darkweasel | mazbe i should switch back to german |
| 16:23.30 | ComradeHaz | PLEASE can someone advise, this is doing my head in |
| 16:23.40 | justin | ComradeHaz: seems to be a common problem these days |
| 16:23.41 | darkweasel | and neither with german (eliminate dead keys) |
| 16:24.03 | ComradeHaz | oh, justin? and what's the solution? |
| 16:24.20 | justin | ComradeHaz: i forget... |
| 16:24.21 | bstronga | one of my 3 debian machines syslogs with the wrong time zone. date returns correct time. whats goin on? |
| 16:24.24 | enouf | ComradeHaz: the only reason the installer would insist on using LiLo is that you didn't have /boot on a non-LVM partition |
| 16:24.35 | ComradeHaz | not the case enouf |
| 16:24.36 | justin | ComradeHaz: is the lvm not coming up properly in the initrd? |
| 16:24.37 | ComradeHaz | I did |
| 16:25.00 | ComradeHaz | uh, wdym justin? |
| 16:25.09 | justin | ComradeHaz: you should have able to run 'lvm pvs' 'lvm lvs' etc |
| 16:25.30 | ComradeHaz | yup, that shows it |
| 16:25.42 | ComradeHaz | on sda2 |
| 16:25.45 | ComradeHaz | boot is sda1 |
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| 16:26.09 | ComradeHaz | enouf: have you any other ideas |
| 16:26.22 | ComradeHaz | I've done this a few times before just fine |
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| 16:27.01 | enouf | ComradeHaz: not offhand ... is there something odd about the hardware? existing {fake}RAIDs or something? encryption used as well this time? |
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| 16:27.53 | ComradeHaz | nope nothing, and indeed this machine's been set up like this before |
| 16:28.26 | ComradeHaz | (I just accidentally deleted teh wrong partiton last night (don't ask) so having to reinstall :D |
| 16:28.30 | enouf | recalls something about a vg{create,display} -ay command possibly having some affect |
| 16:28.44 | ComradeHaz | run from busybox? |
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| 16:28.56 | enouf | *shrugs* |
| 16:29.09 | enouf | does more reading than doing - it's easier :-p |
| 16:29.23 | ComradeHaz | lol |
| 16:29.32 | ComradeHaz | who'd know |
| 16:29.40 | ComradeHaz | PLEASE! :D |
| 16:29.49 | Zambezi | Any hope to see ushare in the Debianrepos? I'm not a fan of compile. |
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| 16:29.50 | ComradeHaz | this is killing me :D |
| 16:30.10 | ComradeHaz | !request |
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| 16:31.35 | justin | ComradeHaz: i asked you a question... |
| 16:31.47 | yonkeltron | i was looking at the kde-team site on alioth but haven't much been able to find info about kde4 in squeeze, only in unstable. there's not timetable or anything? |
| 16:32.06 | ComradeHaz | you did, justin? |
| 16:32.19 | jelly | yonkeltron: perhasp you could ask them in #debian-kde, on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:32.26 | yonkeltron | jelly: ah. perhaps. |
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| 16:32.26 | ComradeHaz | did I not respond with: [17:18:30] <ComradeHaz> yup, that shows it |
| 16:32.43 | greycat | Lenny just got released. Squeeze is not going to have any fixed release goals yet. |
| 16:32.43 | ranix | yonkeltron: siyh! |
| 16:32.53 | enouf | yonkeltron: stuff automatically migrates into squeeze from sid after a certain small period of time, or unless some bugs are found (or other reasons for it to be held back) |
| 16:33.18 | greycat | !testing |
| 16:33.19 | dpkg | [testing] a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <squeeze> and as <lenny> has only just been released, squeeze users are in for a bumpy ride. Either be clueful or be told that you shouldn't be using testing. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html. Ask me about <testing faq><lenny->squeeze><testing security><moving target><dda><apt-listchanges><bts>. |
| 16:33.26 | enouf | there's a #debian-kde here as well |
| 16:34.25 | enouf | !brittany |
| 16:34.30 | enouf | ... |
| 16:34.32 | jelly | enouf: its topic says: This channel on Freenode is obsolete and is being shut down. Please join us in #debian-kde on OFTC: irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-kde |
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| 16:34.53 | ComradeHaz | yer |
| 16:34.55 | ComradeHaz | it's not here |
| 16:35.00 | ComradeHaz | it's over on oftc |
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| 16:35.02 | enouf | jelly: ah .. ok, news to me - thanks (i had been there a while back) |
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| 16:35.31 | enouf | atleast they left the channel up with a pointer |
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| 16:35.34 | jelly | one tabset to the right -> |
| 16:35.54 | enouf | it's just a jump to the left! |
| 16:36.01 | ComradeHaz | right |
| 16:36.13 | ComradeHaz | so nobaody knows how to or is prepared to help |
| 16:36.18 | ComradeHaz | that makes me sad :D |
| 16:36.28 | ComradeHaz | so sad I'm going to go and buy pizza |
| 16:36.31 | ComradeHaz | bbl :) |
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| 16:36.45 | enouf | ComradeHaz: maybe email #debian-user or #debian-boot <at> lists.debian.org |
| 16:37.19 | enouf | yes, there are also channels, but you seem way too annoying to warrant that :-p |
| 16:37.42 | ComradeHaz | hehe, I'm not annoying - just annoyed :) |
| 16:38.02 | enouf | right - annoyed people usually like to spread the dis+ease :-p |
| 16:38.20 | ComradeHaz | hehe |
| 16:38.25 | ComradeHaz | I'll take a hint |
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| 16:38.43 | enouf | ComradeHaz: we want to help .. i personally just don't know how to help you .. |
| 16:38.46 | ComradeHaz | although, it really is frustrating when you just cannot figure something out |
| 16:38.49 | ComradeHaz | I know :) |
| 16:38.56 | ComradeHaz | Sorry :) |
| 16:39.04 | ComradeHaz | I'll ask in -boot later |
| 16:39.31 | enouf | ComradeHaz: taking a step away for a few and focusing on answering some others' questions might be a goal |
| 16:39.43 | enouf | yeah - that too |
| 16:40.00 | ComradeHaz | I do when I can |
| 16:40.05 | ComradeHaz | but I'm pretty noob |
| 16:40.09 | ComradeHaz | so mostly can;t atm |
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| 16:40.20 | enouf | ComradeHaz: see if an slightly older installer has the same issue? see BTS? report a bug? |
| 16:40.31 | ComradeHaz | yer |
| 16:40.35 | enouf | !bts |
| 16:40.35 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges>. |
| 16:40.39 | ComradeHaz | migfht try RC1 or beta later |
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| 16:41.07 | enouf | ComradeHaz: tried a 'daily'? .. oh., just Lenny you're using? ok, nm |
| 16:41.48 | ComradeHaz | uh, yer, tis is a daily I think actually |
| 16:42.01 | ComradeHaz | what's the deal with dailies ad the release candidates |
| 16:42.04 | enouf | only testing makes dailies, IIRC |
| 16:42.09 | enouf | er .. |
| 16:42.11 | ComradeHaz | yer |
| 16:42.20 | ComradeHaz | well, I will end up running unstable |
| 16:42.24 | ComradeHaz | so that's not a prob |
| 16:42.32 | ComradeHaz | anyway |
| 16:42.43 | enouf | so try the Lenny installer, and report any changes ... help out! ;-) |
| 16:42.45 | ComradeHaz | gotta go to sainsburys before it closes :) |
| 16:42.51 | ComradeHaz | aye |
| 16:42.56 | enouf | food + drink? |
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| 16:43.00 | ComradeHaz | I'll have a play when my belly's happy :) |
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| 16:43.04 | ComradeHaz | yup |
| 16:43.05 | enouf | aye |
| 16:43.08 | ComradeHaz | pizza a beer :) |
| 16:43.11 | Mikey^ | Hi |
| 16:43.13 | enouf | and dancing girls? :-) |
| 16:43.15 | Mikey^ | I installed debian lenny |
| 16:43.19 | ComradeHaz | hell yer |
| 16:43.28 | ComradeHaz | the missus is outta town so not a bad call ;) |
| 16:43.39 | enouf | heh |
| 16:43.43 | Mikey^ | I feel my desktop is not snappy and I think the graphics driver needs to be changed |
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| 16:43.58 | Mikey^ | I use an onboard intel card on my laptop |
| 16:44.07 | ComradeHaz | bbiab :) |
| 16:44.35 | beardy | She might be one of the 800 silent ones. |
| 16:44.46 | enouf | Mikey^: this was an old fix, but is libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-glx installed? |
| 16:44.56 | Mikey^ | let me chekc |
| 16:45.10 | enouf | Mikey^: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep intel |
| 16:45.29 | enouf | Mikey^: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log | egrep 'intel|vesa|i810' |
| 16:45.29 | Mikey^ | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//intel_drv.so |
| 16:45.33 | enouf | ok |
| 16:46.16 | Mikey^ | when I switch windows, I can see a kinda of blur and slow transitions |
| 16:47.13 | Mikey^ | enouf: so what do you think ? |
| 16:48.21 | Mikey^ | something is wrong.. |
| 16:48.29 | Mikey^ | dont know what, etch was snappier |
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| 16:49.05 | enouf | Mikey^: dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx | tail -n 2 |
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| 16:49.20 | enouf | or | grep ^.ii |
| 16:49.29 | Mikey^ | seems to be installed |
| 16:49.32 | greycat | no dot there. |
| 16:49.38 | Mikey^ | 7.0.3-7 |
| 16:50.00 | enouf | dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx | grep ^.i (greycat) ? |
| 16:50.01 | dpkg | No packages found matching libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx | grep ^.i (greycat) |
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| 16:50.21 | enouf | dpkg: please .. chill hon |
| 16:50.22 | dpkg | enouf: are you using Windows? |
| 16:50.32 | Mikey^ | Hehe.. |
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| 16:51.10 | greycat | ^.ii would not match lines beginning with "ii " |
| 16:51.12 | greycat | ^ii would |
| 16:51.17 | enouf | Mikey^: i giess you installed Lenny from scratch and are using Lenny exclusively? |
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| 16:51.24 | Mikey^ | yes |
| 16:51.32 | paxcoder | how to install opentype font? gnome-font-viewer seems to be lacking the feature. |
| 16:51.35 | Mikey^ | I installed it from the dvd |
| 16:51.38 | enouf | greycat: and so does ^.i , no? |
| 16:52.00 | greycat | ^.i would match it, but that isn't what you wrote. |
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| 16:52.19 | enouf | (i actually hit the i key twice accidentally the 1st ime) |
| 16:52.21 | enouf | time* |
| 16:52.50 | paxcoder | don't fight with greycat over regexp |
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| 16:53.07 | Mikey^ | Do you think I need to install 915resolution? |
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| 16:53.25 | enouf | don't butt in to affairs that don't concern you :-) |
| 16:53.25 | paxcoder | OpenType - howto? |
| 16:53.30 | greycat | only if your screen isn't coming up at the native LCD resolution |
| 16:53.44 | Mikey^ | oh ok |
| 16:53.51 | Mikey^ | the resolution is fine |
| 16:53.56 | enouf | Mikey^: 915resolution functionality has been rolled into intel_drv |
| 16:54.10 | Mikey^ | only when I switch windows or drag them around, its seems shabby :( |
| 16:54.12 | enouf | since i810 also has |
| 16:54.17 | Mikey^ | ok |
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| 16:54.32 | enouf | or whateve i8x0 .. whatever the F it was called |
| 16:54.49 | patrikf | yes, it was i810 |
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| 16:55.22 | patrikf | is quite amazed by the progress intel drivers have made :) |
| 16:55.31 | paxcoder | greycat: my screen (radeon dri) sometimes doesn't show up and I need to switch between screen modes (tty/GUI) to make it appear, is there any help? |
| 16:55.46 | uau | after upgrading to latest sid at least iceweasel and liferea seem broken (so it's probably not a problem in either of them) |
| 16:56.03 | enouf | Mikey^: perhaps you need some tweaking via adding some options into xorg.conf using 'man intel' for choices - it's supposed to autodetect properly .. but since drxx is basically useless now .. |
| 16:56.12 | uau | iceweasel freezes occasionally, while trying to start liferea fails consistently (it brings up an empty frozen window) |
| 16:56.16 | greycat | paxcoder: nope. |
| 16:56.23 | paxcoder | k |
| 16:56.23 | greycat | (Not from me anyway.) |
| 16:56.27 | enouf | Mikey^: see any EE in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 16:56.27 | uau | anyone else see such a problem? |
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| 16:56.49 | enouf | Mikey^: see any lines beginning with (EE) (to be more precise) in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 16:57.06 | Mikey^ | nope |
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| 16:57.29 | Mikey^ | how do I check if its using the intel drivers and not vesa ? |
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| 16:57.49 | enouf | paxcoder: does cycling through ctrl-alt-[+/-] help at all? |
| 16:58.09 | enouf | paxcoder: are any modelines set with DefaultDepths in xorg.conf? |
| 16:58.21 | greycat | Mikey^: a whole bunch of intel(0): ... lines |
| 16:58.22 | apostle | problems removing a module....what is command to do so? |
| 16:58.25 | jimcooncat | Package naming: is there a maximum recommended length for a debian package name? Any registry where one can be reserved? Any reserved prefixes for local use, like "custom-"? Docs about these topics? |
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| 16:59.34 | paxcoder | enouf: what's ctrl alt +? |
| 16:59.37 | paxcoder | will check xorg |
| 16:59.39 | enouf | paxcoder: how about man radeon? Option: UseFBdev "false/true" or something? |
| 17:00.14 | enouf | paxcoder: "ctrl + alt + -" (or +) should cycle through available resolutions |
| 17:00.19 | paxcoder | enouf: grep shows no DefaultDepth in xorg.conf |
| 17:00.28 | paxcoder | enouf: cycling fails ;-) |
| 17:00.36 | paxcoder | doesn't do anything. |
| 17:00.48 | paxcoder | trying to figure out use fbdev |
| 17:00.53 | enouf | is out of his element ... and retreats |
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| 17:01.32 | jelly | judd: test |
| 17:01.32 | judd | jelly: Error: "test" is not a valid command. |
| 17:02.17 | enouf | Mikey^: last thought -> <Mikey^> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//intel_drv.so <--shows you're using inte; |
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| 17:02.34 | Mikey^ | ok.. |
| 17:02.37 | coolix | hi |
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| 17:03.36 | coolix | can i export to a debian package a package that is currently installed ? |
| 17:03.44 | Mikey^ | what do you think I should do ? |
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| 17:04.17 | faffi | What directories does modprobe find modules from? |
| 17:04.32 | enouf | man modprobe |
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| 17:04.48 | enouf | it's /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ |
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| 17:05.12 | faffi | figured, is there some kind of update command, i put my module in that directory but it cant find it |
| 17:05.31 | Elive_user50_en | hey i have elive can i turn it in to DEBIAN |
| 17:05.38 | enouf | however - any /etc/{modprobe,modules}.conf file supercede /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 17:05.53 | Mikey^ | enouf: your last thought ? |
| 17:05.56 | enouf | depmod -a |
| 17:06.22 | faffi | enouf: thanks :) |
| 17:06.24 | enouf | Mikey^: try elsewhere? :-P or wait for others? try again later? |
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| 17:10.11 | prophet | how do i make /dev/sdb read+write by all. currently only root can access it |
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| 17:11.28 | adama_ | I assume you mean sdb1? is it ntfs? |
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| 17:11.41 | prophet | it's ext3 |
| 17:12.09 | adama_ | well mount it and use chmod |
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| 17:12.18 | prophet | hm |
| 17:12.19 | prophet | ok |
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| 17:13.59 | _Hanfdealer__ | wolltet ihr nicht schon immer an einer hanf flanze richen ;) |
| 17:14.01 | _Hanfdealer__ | www.hanfdeal.de/hinterhof2.php?id=3436 |
| 17:14.04 | _Hanfdealer__ | www.hanfdeal.de/hinterhof2.php?id=3436 |
| 17:14.07 | _Hanfdealer__ | www.hanfdeal.de/hinterhof2.php?id=3436www.hanfdeal.de/hinterhof2.php?id=3436 |
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| 17:14.17 | ranix | wtf |
| 17:14.52 | apostle | error is device busy....I am trying to force remove a module |
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| 17:25.14 | faffi | Anyone seen an error like this, "Can't get USB bus index from rausb0", i'm trying to start kismet and/or tshark give me the same output |
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| 17:28.03 | jelly | Translation: German » English -- wanted her not always in a hemp flanze covered ;) |
| 17:29.46 | action09 | back |
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| 17:36.22 | shyam_k | !docs |
| 17:36.22 | dpkg | Before asking, please read the documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to RTFM by impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me about <finding docs>. |
| 17:36.39 | greycat | In my experience, very few people accept documentation patches. |
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| 17:37.28 | shyam_k | wanna get an info version of docs about basics of debian packaging system.. |
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| 17:38.44 | faffi | can you rename the names of network interfaces? |
| 17:38.58 | adb | !tell shyam_k about mentor |
| 17:38.58 | greycat | udev did it to me once when I didn't want it to. |
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| 17:39.08 | greycat | So I'm guessing the answer is "yes". |
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| 17:39.13 | faffi | lol |
| 17:39.30 | ComradeHaz | faffi: yes, but it's a pain in the arse :) |
| 17:39.34 | enouf | faffi: /msg dpkg 70 |
| 17:39.37 | ComradeHaz | (and I can;t remember how) |
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| 17:40.02 | faffi | ComradeHaz: apparently theres a bug in the versions of libpcap i have that doesnt process USB nics, more specifically when the interface name has "usb" in it... |
| 17:40.04 | enouf | some people also use ifrename, but i guess that's kind of the incorrect way |
| 17:40.59 | enouf | faffi: ls /sys/class/net for a quick view of system noticed ifaces |
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| 17:41.11 | ComradeHaz | Hi all, and probably especially dpkg, can you tell me how the testing / daily build installs 'work' and advise the most likely disc to get an install on an LVM |
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| 17:41.14 | faffi | enouf: google winrar http://plosquare.blogspot.com/2009/01/renaming-rausb0-to-wlan0.html |
| 17:41.48 | enouf | no thanks |
| 17:42.05 | faffi | im just saying |
| 17:42.08 | faffi | its a udev rule apparently |
| 17:42.14 | enouf | !70 |
| 17:42.15 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 17:43.34 | faffi | HAH it worked |
| 17:43.47 | greycat | Woah, when did Linux FINALLY get information about interfaces in /proc or /sys?! |
| 17:44.02 | Firestarter | can anyone here suggest a pci wireless card that works good in debian linux |
| 17:44.20 | jelly | greycat: /sys is pretty decent these days |
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| 17:45.48 | jelly | greycat: there's a reg'lar /devices in there :-) |
| 17:45.49 | greycat | cats every single file in /sys/class/net/eth0/ and discovers that none of them contains IPv4 addresses |
| 17:45.49 | greycat | Fuck. |
| 17:45.53 | jelly | enumerates greycat's "devices" |
| 17:46.31 | enouf | cat /proc/net/dev/* ? or something, some conversion would need to be done |
| 17:46.55 | greycat | There are no IPv4 addresses in /proc/net/dev |
| 17:46.58 | greycat | and it's not a directory |
| 17:46.58 | enouf | (i think that's where ifconfig gets it's info from) |
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| 17:47.13 | greycat | enouf: nope. I've been looking for a /proc or /sys equivalent of ifconfig for YEARS. |
| 17:47.16 | greycat | Still can't find one. |
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| 17:47.34 | enouf | $ cat /proc/net/* | grep eth0 |
| 17:48.04 | enouf | $ cat /proc/net/* | grep eth0 | grep 192 |
| 17:48.11 | greycat | enouf: the only place I can find 192.168 is in /proc/net/arp and that's obviously not what I'm looking for |
| 17:48.25 | jelly | straces "ip a show dev eth0" |
| 17:48.35 | enouf | aye |
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| 17:50.09 | jelly | fun facts: to find out your ip address, you need some random numbers: open("/dev/urandom", O_RDONLY) = 3 read(3, "M`j&\273x3^"..., 8) = 8 |
| 17:50.19 | greycat | jelly: I just noticed that one myself. |
| 17:50.44 | jelly | there's not lstat64("/dev/chickenbones") |
| 17:50.53 | ix | I've found a binary file which I suspect could be a trojan -- What is the simplest way to set up some sort of sandbox in which I can safely execute the file for forensic purposes? |
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| 17:51.20 | greycat | ix: another machine. |
| 17:51.52 | greycat | (one with no network, ideally) |
| 17:52.17 | enouf | ~$ cat /proc/net/* | grep 0200A8C0 |
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| 17:52.36 | enouf | which converts into 192.168.0.2 for my eth0 |
| 17:52.36 | ix | greycat: What if I have none available? :-) |
| 17:52.49 | ix | Oh, there's probably some risk associated with that anyway? |
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| 17:53.27 | greycat | enouf: could you just tell me which file instead of teasing? |
| 17:53.51 | jelly | greycat: I'm guessing it uses the "netlink interface", which is different from files or ioctls (and probably vastly superior!) |
| 17:53.55 | enouf | greycat: i can't tell yet .. |
| 17:54.19 | jelly | it ~ /bin/ip |
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| 17:55.09 | enouf | greycat: /proc/net/rt_cache |
| 17:55.16 | greycat | enouf: if it's /proc/net/tcp then I think that's where "netstat -a" comes from, which only helps you if you have active connections |
| 17:55.28 | enouf | amnd /proc/net/tcp: |
| 17:55.35 | greycat | rt_cache looks like a routing table |
| 17:55.40 | enouf | right |
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| 17:55.59 | greycat | Neither of them says "This is the list of IPv4 addresses for each interface" |
| 17:56.22 | greycat | You're still parsing godawful gunk from either ip or ifconfig. |
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| 17:57.25 | enouf | udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0 yields decent overall info - not your IPv4 address though |
| 17:57.26 | greycat | (with ip being *slightly* easier to parse, since there's whitespace between the inet keyword and the address/mask field) |
| 17:57.45 | enouf | i think udevinfo and udevmonitor was now replaced via udevadm |
| 17:58.17 | greycat | griffon:~$ ip a show dev eth0 | awk '$1 == "inet" {print $2}' |
| 17:58.17 | greycat | 192.168.2.5/24 |
| 17:58.17 | greycat | 192.168.3.5/24 |
| 17:58.22 | greycat | That's still the best I can find. |
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| 17:59.06 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:59.23 | greycat | I despise parsing /sbin/ifconfig |
| 17:59.33 | shyam_k | couldn't find new maintainer's doc in info format, that i can read it in info mode in emacs.. |
| 17:59.35 | enouf | yes .. i knew that too :-P |
| 17:59.37 | greycat | Also, that doesn't show all my addresses. |
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| 18:00.23 | shyam_k | so far, info mode in emacs has been the best way i could see to read manuals.. |
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| 18:01.25 | gravity | shyam_k: You'll have to make it yourself |
| 18:01.49 | gravity | shyam_k: You can also just use emacs' web browser to read it on your hard drive |
| 18:01.55 | greycat | You're probably one of approximately 4 people on the planet who actually *like* info pages. |
| 18:02.32 | enouf | 4.365! |
| 18:02.46 | gravity | greycat: I actually like them when I'm reading them in emacs. |
| 18:02.47 | Polarina | greycat: I like info pages. |
| 18:02.49 | stew | shyam_k: you can just open /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.txt.gz in emacs |
| 18:02.49 | gravity | Otherwise I loathe them |
| 18:02.55 | shyam_k | THE reason that i like info mode in emacs, not just info pages, is that it lets you focus to a section while you can very easily move around.. |
| 18:02.59 | gravity | Even pinfo only makes them moderately tolerable |
| 18:03.05 | stew | shyam_k: or open the html with w3m-find-file |
| 18:03.33 | shyam_k | yup yup.. its not about just being inside emacs.. but to get it in info mode;-) |
| 18:04.06 | gravity | shyam_k: I think the original is in docbook. I think it should be fairly easy to convert docbook to info if you really care that much |
| 18:04.21 | gravity | Although why you'd bother for something like newmaint-guide, which you won't refer to for very long, I don't know |
| 18:05.10 | shyam_k | yup.. just asked so that i can get if its around and am just not seeing it.. already started reading the html version;-) |
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| 18:07.22 | maddash | has anyone else encountered a package upgrade in squeeze that caused a conflict between apt, apt-utils, and aptitude? |
| 18:07.50 | greycat | Yeah, someone mentioned that the other day. |
| 18:08.04 | maddash | :(? |
| 18:08.08 | gravity | I encountered it and just held apt as it was |
| 18:08.15 | gravity | I like aptitude too much to not just wait it out |
| 18:08.19 | greycat | Shit happens. |
| 18:08.25 | maddash | ditto, but did I do something wrong? |
| 18:08.31 | greycat | probably not |
| 18:08.51 | maddash | so, just keep 'aptitude update'-ing and wait for a fix? |
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| 18:09.26 | ComradeHaz | Oh |
| 18:09.30 | ComradeHaz | My GOD :D |
| 18:09.39 | ComradeHaz | I've just realised it's all my fault :D |
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| 18:10.44 | Polarina | maddash: I encountered it, but it has been fixed now. |
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| 18:11.08 | Polarina | maddash: But if you are using a mirror, it might take time for the update to reach you. |
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| 18:15.48 | shyam_k | gravity: btw, where can i get the docbook versions? not just about newmaint-guide, can't adjust for all those serious docs regarding debian system.. |
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| 18:16.37 | gravity | shyam_k: Download the source for the package. |
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| 18:17.02 | monkey_d_luffy | how do I force aptitude to remove packages first and then install the new ones. aptitude is borking out with a file overwrite conflict because it isn't removing the old package first |
| 18:17.08 | maddash | Polarina: thanks, worked for me too |
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| 18:17.22 | monkey_d_luffy | *the new ones? (question mark :p) |
| 18:17.30 | greycat | monkey_d_luffy: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/whatever |
| 18:17.42 | greycat | (If I'm remembering the --force-* flag properly.) |
| 18:17.52 | fish_zone | I have a problem with aspell broken dependencies; does anyone know how to fix it? |
| 18:18.33 | greycat | monkey_d_luffy: dpkg --force-help to see a list of them |
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| 18:20.46 | monkey_d_luffy | greycat: I have a conflict and need to remove a package first. Does aptitude remains coherent with dpkg? I mean, can I perform operations with dpkg and when I start aptitude again it will be in sync? |
| 18:21.00 | greycat | You do not need to remove the package first. You just need to tell dpkg it's allowed to overwrite the files. |
| 18:21.16 | Fishy | for someone that knows nothing about linux... debian a bad first choice? |
| 18:21.25 | Polarina | Fishy: No. |
| 18:21.25 | greycat | dpkg is the back-end program that aptitude uses to do the actual installing |
| 18:21.26 | dpkg | greycat: You are moron #1 |
| 18:21.29 | greycat | Why thank you. |
| 18:22.08 | Fishy | Polarina was going to start with openSUSE or pcLinuxOS |
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| 18:22.12 | Fishy | seemed less advanced |
| 18:22.12 | monkey_d_luffy | greycat: yes. but it conflicts with another package http://pastebin.com/d7a4f5482 |
| 18:22.32 | Polarina | Fishy: Those are bad choices. |
| 18:22.45 | mats | short question: how do i know if i have to download a version of eclipse for 32 or for 64 bits? |
| 18:22.47 | Fishy | Polarina. they seem easy |
| 18:23.00 | mats | how do i know which system i have? |
| 18:23.01 | Polarina | Fishy: If you want easy and supported, try Ubuntu. |
| 18:23.06 | greycat | monkey_d_luffy: ok, different error... I'd probably try "dpkg --purge --force-depends libsox0" for that one. |
| 18:23.14 | Fishy | i have Ubuntu now.. nothing but problems |
| 18:23.21 | stew | mats: you don't? just "aptitude install eclipse" |
| 18:23.29 | Polarina | Fishy: Debian is easy, fun and supported. :) |
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| 18:23.41 | Fishy | Polarina, sound didnt work since 8.04 and now with 9.04 network connection doesnt |
| 18:23.50 | Polarina | Fishy: Laptop? |
| 18:23.55 | mats | stew: i did it already and got a bug |
| 18:24.06 | mats | when i tried to started it |
| 18:24.09 | Fishy | Polarina yes |
| 18:24.14 | stew | mats: show us the error ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:24.19 | g00se | My lcd monitor's just developed a short 1px green line: any way i can give it an electronic slap? |
| 18:24.22 | Polarina | Fishy: Same here with sound, but I haven't tried 9.04. |
| 18:24.33 | Polarina | Fishy: I am just living my life without sound. :) |
| 18:24.41 | Fishy | Polarina Asus G1S .... ubuntu even had forum post on how to make it all work on my laptop... but didnt fix everything |
| 18:24.48 | mats | first error: This Eclipse build doesn't have support for the integrated browser. |
| 18:25.02 | mats | than he loads his workbenches |
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| 18:25.41 | mats | than the second error: JVM terminated. Exit code=127 |
| 18:25.41 | mats | /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/java |
| 18:25.41 | mats | -Djava.library.path=/usr/lib/jni |
| 18:26.00 | Polarina | Fishy: Hardware is often a common problem over others, but there's no one to blame except the ones that design and manufacture the hardware. |
| 18:26.08 | greycat | java-gcj? that sounds... dodgy. |
| 18:26.27 | monkey_d_luffy | greycat: thanks a lot for your help! :] everything is working now |
| 18:26.34 | mats | so i found in the internet on a german page, that there is a solution if i install eclipse "manually" |
| 18:26.36 | mats | ... |
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| 18:27.00 | Fishy | Polarina: why say openSUSE is bad? |
| 18:27.05 | greycat | mats: well, uname -m will tell you which architecture you're on. |
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| 18:27.30 | mats | greycat: thanks, greetings from berlin |
| 18:27.35 | greycat | if it says i386 or i486 or i686 or similar, you're on a 32-bit arch |
| 18:27.38 | Polarina | Fishy: Not bad, just not the ideal place to start with, in my opinion with no specific reason.. |
| 18:27.56 | Fishy | Polarina, what about pcLinuxOS |
| 18:28.11 | mats | i got i686 -> so 32 bit |
| 18:28.18 | Polarina | Fishy: Never heard of it. |
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| 18:29.45 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:29.58 | DexterF | got a lot of files with brackets in them and wanted to remove those with "rename" |
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| 18:30.41 | DexterF | now I tried rename s/(// and '(' and "(" and \( and nothing works as the match pattern. help? |
| 18:30.50 | Firestarter | can anyone here suggest a pci wireless card that works good in debian linux |
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| 18:31.05 | DexterF | Firestarter: netgear wg311t |
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| 18:31.25 | Firestarter | DexterF: Great thanks |
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| 18:31.51 | ajavid | back |
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| 18:34.54 | monkey_d_luffy | is anyone else experiencing SIGSEGV aptitude? not once or twice... maybe 10 times now in the last hour or so |
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| 18:36.48 | ajavid | monkey_d_luffy, what? |
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| 18:38.09 | monkey_d_luffy | ajavid: i'm working my way with aptitude and it SIGSEGV out of nothing... I now got a message: http://pastebin.com/m753bca33 |
| 18:40.01 | greycat | if nothing else is randomly dying, it looks like an aptitude bug |
| 18:40.14 | greycat | if lots of other things are also dying, hardware. |
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| 18:40.44 | hark | monkey_d_luffy: looks like a bug... which version of debian? |
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| 18:41.31 | monkey_d_luffy | I can now reproduce the problem. I have on my sources.list testing, unstable and experimental brances. When I enter in teh libqt4-dev package and select package version 4.5.1-2, it crashes. |
| 18:41.45 | monkey_d_luffy | with that error message |
| 18:41.49 | ajavid | sorry my irc fucked up |
| 18:41.54 | ajavid | im back, what did you say before this line |
| 18:41.54 | greycat | monkey_d_luffy: file a bug report |
| 18:41.59 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.00 | monkey_d_luffy | but it has seg faulted with no error messages before |
| 18:42.09 | ajavid | nm, someone else helped you |
| 18:42.12 | monkey_d_luffy | ok |
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| 18:48.40 | ComradeHaz | ok, has anyone else come accross the exim bug an example of which can be seen here: http://haz.red-army.org.uk/exim It's happeing on my girlfriends 32bit machine and my clean install on amd64 (both unstable) |
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| 18:49.34 | ComradeHaz | I really need some help with this. I've tried what to my mind is everything :D |
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| 18:51.37 | ComradeHaz | looks exactly like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=429664 to me, but that was 2 years ago! :O |
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| 18:53.06 | sky_1 | hi i have problem with installing debian testing netinstall amd64 in network configuration step... i set all what is needed (IP,gateway...) but it say that installation failed at network configuring |
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| 18:55.12 | sky_1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:56.00 | ComradeHaz | lol sky_1 Patience is a virtue. When someone who thinks they can help sees your question, I'm sure they will answer |
| 18:56.12 | ComradeHaz | no need to paste it twice on the same page |
| 18:56.19 | ComradeHaz | give it 5 min at least |
| 18:56.41 | sky_1 | yay i know but there was a lot of leaving person etc |
| 18:56.51 | orion_X11 | Hi I am a Philosophy student and I like debian very much. I have searched for tools to study Philosophy in debian and in linux as a whole, but I have not seem anything in the repos. Does anyone know if there is any education program to study Philosophy through Linux? |
| 18:56.58 | ComradeHaz | 7 lines. |
| 18:57.07 | justin | orion_X11: what does philosphy have to do with linux? |
| 18:57.18 | greycat | orion_X11: web browsers |
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| 18:57.41 | ComradeHaz | orion_X11: what sort of software!? |
| 18:57.53 | sky_1 | Philosophy as social science ? |
| 18:58.00 | sky_1 | or Philosophy as another one ? |
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| 18:58.39 | orion_X11 | justin: very much. Philosophy deals with freedom and so Linux |
| 18:58.49 | sky_1 | here ya |
| 18:58.50 | sky_1 | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html |
| 18:58.59 | orion_X11 | justin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pekka_Himanen |
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| 18:59.22 | justin | orion_X11: ohh, i think i get your question now |
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| 18:59.46 | justin | you aren't asking about software for philosophy, you are asking about the philosophy of the software |
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| 19:00.39 | orion_X11 | sky_1: Philosophy as a whole. The whole stuff. History, ontology, schools etc... |
| 19:00.59 | greycat | !history |
| 19:00.59 | dpkg | from memory, history is old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
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| 19:01.29 | greycat | orion_X11: it's still not clear whether you're asking about "the history of Debian" or "Debian software to study history". |
| 19:01.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is a typical use for asterisk? |
| 19:01.57 | greycat | orion_X11: If it's the latter, then the only applicable software is a web browser. Or a PDF viewer. Or OO.o. |
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| 19:02.02 | justin | !+asterisk |
| 19:02.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, asterisk is a VoIP phone system for linux. Very powerful very cool, or #asterisk-stable, or http://www.asterisk.org/, or #asterisk @ irc.freenode.net |
| 19:02.03 | rysiek|pl | hi guys |
| 19:02.04 | ComradeHaz | ok, has anyone else come accross the exim bug an example of which can be seen here: http://haz.red-army.org.uk/exim It's happeing on my girlfriends 32bit machine and my clean install on amd64 (both unstable) |
| 19:02.07 | ajavid | has anyone ever tried bootstrapping from say, windows using cygwin? |
| 19:02.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | justin, I read that |
| 19:02.20 | ajavid | is that even possible? |
| 19:02.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | and apt-cache show asterisk |
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| 19:02.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and #asterisk @ irc.freenode.net |
| 19:02.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 19:02.53 | ajavid | justin, the + doesn't do anything here |
| 19:02.54 | orion_X11 | greycat: Debian Soft to study Philosophy and not Debian Philosophy |
| 19:02.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | the http url, I mean |
| 19:03.01 | justin | ajavid: habit |
| 19:03.04 | ajavid | :) |
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| 19:03.13 | greycat | orion_X11: use a web browser to read whatever web pages discuss that topic |
| 19:03.14 | aragorn29 | hey does anybody knows how to send an email with a file as attachment through bash?? |
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| 19:03.32 | sky_1 | hi i have problem with installing debian testing netinstall amd64 in network configuration step... i set all what is needed (IP,gateway...) but it say that installation failed at network configuring |
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| 19:03.36 | greycat | aragorn29: mutt -a file-to-attach -s "subject here" addr1 addr2 ... < body-file |
| 19:03.36 | justin | ajavid: mutt can do that easily |
| 19:03.50 | greycat | aragorn29: nail can also do it. |
| 19:03.51 | ajavid | nick misfire! |
| 19:03.51 | aragorn29 | ty guys =) |
| 19:04.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | but all I can clearly read it does "something with voip" (everything with voip?) |
| 19:05.00 | ajavid | what is the ETA on Zend_Tool providing modular structure code generation? |
| 19:05.05 | ajavid | fuck. |
| 19:05.10 | sky_1 | !polite |
| 19:05.10 | dpkg | methinks polite is You want polite or you want help? Ask master_of_master if you want politness, master_of_master is very sweet. |
| 19:05.20 | sky_1 | lol |
| 19:05.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | master_of_master? |
| 19:06.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems not a bot, weird to mention a person in that |
| 19:06.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | !factinfo polite |
| 19:06.28 | dpkg | polite -- created by rich_ <~rich@c-67-166-91-96.client.comcast.net> at Wed Oct 27 02:45:51 2004 (1654 days); it has been requested 14 times, last by sky_1, 1m 17s ago. |
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| 19:07.36 | ajavid | are you serious? |
| 19:07.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | never |
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| 19:08.23 | orion_X11 | greycat: that is not what I am after. You know in debian repos there are softs to study chemistry, languages, maths, etc. I thought that probably there were any to help studying Philosophy. Or at least that someone were developing one :-) |
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| 19:14.06 | nkuttler | orion_X11: seriously, get decent books. or get them from your favorite warez site. |
| 19:14.07 | monkey_d_luffy | how can I download and force the installation of a specific package version? |
| 19:14.21 | nkuttler | monkey_d_luffy: what do you mean? |
| 19:14.29 | monkey_d_luffy | (I need to do this to work around the aptitude crash) |
| 19:14.51 | monkey_d_luffy | I want to install this package: libqt4-dev version 4.5.1-2 |
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| 19:15.21 | nkuttler | monkey_d_luffy: isn't that what's currently in sid? |
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| 19:15.45 | nkuttler | monkey_d_luffy: and define aptitude crash |
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| 19:16.14 | orion_X11 | Anyway, many thx for the help |
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| 19:17.26 | monkey_d_luffy | nkuttler: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=527739 |
| 19:18.02 | monkey_d_luffy | nkuttler: I'm running a mix of testing, unstable and experimental |
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| 19:19.33 | nkuttler | monkey_d_luffy: and you tried to dpkg -i ? |
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| 19:20.20 | dihymo | midnight commander no longer uploads remote saves |
| 19:20.36 | dihymo | how do I fix this |
| 19:20.56 | dihymo | it saves to the temporary file instead of the remote file |
| 19:21.12 | dihymo | the older version on my server still works |
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| 19:24.21 | monkey_d_luffy | nkuttler: no. How can I download the dependencies as well. apt-get install libqt4-dev=4.5.1-2 isn't fetching the dependencies |
| 19:24.56 | greycat | monkey_d_luffy: you chose to run experimental, and to mix it with other things, so... you get to fix it. |
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| 19:32.44 | darkbulb | I am having a problem troubleshooting the grub boot process - grub will boot and show themenu that allows you to pick single user or regular boot but then it tries to find a vmlinuz and quits with an error 15 |
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| 19:33.13 | darkbulb | the boot partition is first followed by root |
| 19:33.42 | darkbulb | how do I point it to the kernal |
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| 19:34.17 | nkuttler | darkbulb: if you enter command line mode you get tab completion for free |
| 19:34.26 | zyv | Hi everyone! |
| 19:34.37 | darkbulb | yes but first I need to know the commands to use |
| 19:34.51 | nkuttler | darkbulb: can you boot at all? |
| 19:35.04 | zyv | Someone can help me with debian packaging using cdbs? I don't know how exactly override a rule |
| 19:35.15 | darkbulb | I can boot as far as i posted above or i can boot via live cd |
| 19:35.33 | nkuttler | darkbulb: the grub manual explains what you need, root= kernel= boot iirc |
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| 19:36.02 | nkuttler | darkbulb: maybe you'll need an initrd= with debian kernels |
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| 19:36.41 | darkbulb | everything is whatever the netinstall for amd64 has as default for desktop and basic system |
| 19:37.20 | nkuttler | darkbulb: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#GNU_002fLinux |
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| 19:38.53 | octoserver | i am in 64 bit deb, i can still installa i386 package right ? |
| 19:38.56 | darkbulb | thanks nkuttler |
| 19:39.02 | octoserver | pdkg doesnt want to let me |
| 19:39.26 | darkbulb | octo I dont see why not |
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| 19:39.40 | octoserver | package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) |
| 19:39.50 | octoserver | dpkg -i amazonmp3.deb |
| 19:39.51 | dpkg | removes a liver from octoserver and replaces it with amazonmp3.deb |
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| 19:40.01 | Supaplex | hahaha |
| 19:40.03 | octoserver | its the amazon downloader |
| 19:40.12 | monkey_d_luffy | fixed my problem with this: apt-get -t unstable install libqt4-dev |
| 19:40.20 | greycat | I think your error message is clear. |
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| 19:40.38 | Supaplex | amazon doesn't have amd64, sadly. and no FOSS for it afaik. |
| 19:40.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, tried if aptitude can do it? else you'll probably have to give package+version for at least some of the dependencies |
| 19:40.54 | octoserver | i can run 32 bit apps in the 64 bit os cant I? |
| 19:40.55 | nkuttler | octoserver: --force-help, and don't blame me for breakage |
| 19:41.02 | Supaplex | they barely upgraded from 80286 code last week. ;) |
| 19:41.17 | octoserver | o wont blame you :) |
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| 19:41.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, heh, was typing when you said that |
| 19:41.23 | yac | ehlo |
| 19:41.40 | yac | what package goes backup user with? |
| 19:41.51 | Young_ | Hi! I'm installing a proxy/firewalll server and I need to allow audio/video conferences with Windows Live Messenger for the workstations. Could someone help me, please? |
| 19:41.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hello a40-prg1-4-110.static.adsl.vol.cz |
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| 19:42.04 | greycat | Young_: #iptables |
| 19:42.43 | yac | CutMeOwnThroat: O_o |
| 19:42.49 | Young_ | greycat: Ok, I'll try. |
| 19:43.39 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks anyway. My problem was that aptitude was SIGSEGV'ing on package selection, so I couldn't use it =/ But all is well now :] |
| 19:43.42 | greycat | Young_: when you have a set of iptables commands, then debian part will be "call your iptables-script from a pre-up command in the /etc/network/interfaces file" |
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| 19:47.18 | Supaplex | yac: your question doesn't make very much ... uh sense. |
| 19:47.20 | Supaplex | .... |
| 19:47.28 | Supaplex | !next |
| 19:47.29 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 19:47.51 | greycat | $ grep backup /etc/passwd |
| 19:47.51 | greycat | backup:x:34:34:backup:/var/backups:/bin/sh |
| 19:48.04 | greycat | I guess he was asking which packages contain files or processes that use that UID. |
| 19:48.17 | Supaplex | humm yeah. |
| 19:48.41 | Supaplex | everyday a brain teaser here. :) |
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| 19:48.42 | greycat | Which would be a real bitch to figure out if you don't just happen to know of one off hand. |
| 19:48.44 | nkuttler | the output of dpkg -S /var/backups/ is suspicious though.. looks like base anyway |
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| 19:49.23 | greycat | /var/backups is clearly used by dpkg |
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| 19:49.36 | nkuttler | and aptitude |
| 19:49.37 | cjones | how can i create an iso image from a a cd |
| 19:49.44 | greycat | But the files there in are all owned by root, for me anyway. |
| 19:49.46 | nkuttler | and other stuff |
| 19:49.55 | plundra | cjones: Just dd it, should be sufficent I guess? :-) |
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| 19:50.01 | jjmontes | hello... I am struggling with debuild... could someone give me a hand with a question? |
| 19:50.07 | greycat | cjones: dd if=DEVICE of=file.iso |
| 19:50.31 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: see /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz |
| 19:51.56 | greycat | dpkg, no, users is /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz |
| 19:51.56 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 19:52.09 | greycat | (Previous factoid content was "Mithrandi". That was it.) |
| 19:52.09 | nkuttler | dondelelcaro: ironically it says HELP: Is that right? in there |
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| 19:52.22 | greycat | nkuttler: it means the author didn't know either. |
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| 19:53.29 | Young_ | greycat: The guys in #iptables don't have idea about how I could do it. That's the reason for me to ask here. Maybe someone knows... :P |
| 19:53.47 | nkuttler | Young_: isn't it just researching which ports you need to open? |
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| 19:54.42 | Young_ | nkuttler: Windows Live Messenger uses randomly ports in a large range of UDP. |
| 19:54.55 | Tramp | proprietary protocols have a tendency to negotiate ports dynamically ... there you go |
| 19:56.02 | Young_ | nkuttler: I read somthing about uPnP for Linux, and also tried to install it here, but it didn't worked. |
| 19:56.03 | nkuttler | oops |
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| 19:56.49 | Young_ | Tramp: Yes, that's the real problem... |
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| 20:03.53 | schmrz | Hi folks. Client with nickname "Edit" is a bot. |
| 20:03.53 | Hideme | how much cpu power should I need for video (downloaded .mp4 and 1080p) under Linux... single core, duo, quad? |
| 20:04.07 | Supaplex | humph. he left. iptables uses connection tracking. |
| 20:04.39 | greycat | Hideme: what, playback? recording? |
| 20:04.39 | Supaplex | Hideme: depends on the video card. modern ones can offload a lot of that. |
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| 20:05.40 | Hideme | greycat playback with onboard video. |
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| 20:06.35 | greycat | You can probably play back 1080p MP4 with a pentium III assuming a decent video card. |
| 20:06.41 | greycat | But I'm no expert in this stuff. |
| 20:06.55 | obcecado | afaik no agp cards got hw decoding |
| 20:07.43 | Hideme | obcecado: So more cpu when using onboard video? |
| 20:09.01 | KavanS | 1080p is pretty heavy stuff though |
| 20:09.26 | obcecado | theres no onboard video (at least on the pIII class) capable of decoding 1080p |
| 20:10.08 | obcecado | and theres no way to add a decent video card, so i dont believe its possible to decode it |
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| 20:11.08 | Hideme | sounds like your hardware info is a little dated. heh |
| 20:11.24 | nkuttler | obcecado: you could still reencode it.. not ideal, but works |
| 20:11.37 | Hideme | A few ASUS boards have onboard video that does HD video over HDMI. |
| 20:11.41 | nkuttler | obcecado: or mplayer -hardframedrop etc |
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| 20:11.49 | justin | HD video could mean 480P |
| 20:12.00 | liars | HOLY SHIT http://shop.ebay.ca/items/?_nkw=donald+trump+audio&_sacat=0&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&_odkw=donald+trump&_osacat=0 |
| 20:12.01 | Hideme | Onboard Intel GMA 4500 |
| 20:12.05 | liars | HOLY SHIT http://shop.ebay.ca/items/?_nkw=donald+trump+audio&_sacat=0&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&_odkw=donald+trump&_osacat=0 |
| 20:12.09 | Hideme | 1080p |
| 20:12.14 | Entmoot | dont ifconfig work in debian? what do I use instead to lookup ip/lan |
| 20:12.44 | nkuttler | Entmoot: yes, it works. see also man 5 interfaces |
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| 20:12.59 | Entmoot | doesnt work here |
| 20:13.05 | nkuttler | !tell Entmoot about doesn't work |
| 20:13.22 | Supaplex | EUSER |
| 20:13.26 | Supaplex | :) |
| 20:13.34 | Entmoot | hahaha |
| 20:13.36 | Entmoot | I see |
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| 20:15.00 | Entmoot | ahh has to be root |
| 20:15.07 | Entmoot | alrighty then |
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| 20:16.04 | Supaplex | you can run ifconfig as a normal user, but you can't change anything, and you have to call it by the full path (or have /sbin also in $PATH) |
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| 20:23.18 | ajavid | do you think i should make swap if i have 8gb ram |
| 20:23.35 | ajavid | does anything NEED to swap out if you plenty of ram available? |
| 20:23.47 | greycat | stabs the (upstream?) coreutils maintainers |
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| 20:24.39 | Supaplex | ajavid: it can work just fine w/o swap with that much ram. |
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| 20:25.05 | MrResearch | Hello |
| 20:25.29 | MrResearch | is it possible to install Debian Lenny from an USB stick from Windows? |
| 20:25.42 | Supaplex | !debian.exe |
| 20:25.42 | dpkg | debian.exe is a debian-installer loader for win32. It installs Debian as default; it installs grub for NT on C drive, then downloads the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and creates entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/. Also ask me about <ig> <setup.exe> or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader |
| 20:25.44 | ajavid | you don't even need usb stick |
| 20:25.45 | jelly-home | !usb install |
| 20:25.46 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 20:25.48 | greycat | If you're installing, you'll be booting from the USB device, so Windows is not relevant. |
| 20:26.03 | MrResearch | yes |
| 20:26.04 | ajavid | greycat, he wants to know how to prepare the stick from within woin |
| 20:26.05 | ajavid | win |
| 20:26.09 | MrResearch | but I have to prepare the USB device from windows |
| 20:26.20 | MrResearch | and all tutorials just show how to prepare the device from Linux which is quite retarded IMO |
| 20:26.30 | jelly-home | agrees with MrResearch |
| 20:26.39 | Supaplex | physdiskwrite can act like dd. find a usb stick image, and rewrite it with this. |
| 20:26.46 | ajavid | MrResearch, virtual box + dsl + usb stick prepare |
| 20:26.48 | jelly-home | sounds like a decent catch22 |
| 20:26.48 | ajavid | :) |
| 20:26.54 | MrResearch | can I just write the netinst image to the usb device and that's it? |
| 20:26.55 | ajavid | like I said |
| 20:27.01 | jelly-home | MrResearch: nope |
| 20:27.03 | ajavid | if you're on windows, you don't really need to use usb stick |
| 20:27.03 | MrResearch | I remember that I did it once and had to do some additional stuff |
| 20:27.20 | ajavid | use debian.exe, download the debian cd iso, use hd-media kernel/initrd from debian |
| 20:27.27 | ajavid | NOT the one that debian.exe will download for you |
| 20:27.37 | ajavid | and installation will go much faster than from usb anyway |
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| 20:27.42 | ajavid | and you don't NEED to prepare the usb |
| 20:27.45 | Supaplex | debian.exe uses the netinst images. |
| 20:27.55 | ajavid | netboot |
| 20:27.58 | ajavid | not netinst |
| 20:27.58 | Supaplex | s/inst/boot/ |
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| 20:28.15 | Supaplex | brain typo. :) |
| 20:28.15 | MrResearch | Supaplex can I select also Testing and Unstable from the debian.exe? |
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| 20:28.33 | ajavid | MrResearch, you can |
| 20:28.35 | MrResearch | ok thx |
| 20:28.41 | MrResearch | I'll do it this way then |
| 20:28.47 | nick4 | there is a spammer on the channel |
| 20:28.47 | Supaplex | MrResearch: well, there's an expert option to control that. |
| 20:28.49 | MrResearch | and can finally remove this crap called WIndows |
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| 20:29.08 | MrResearch | used Linux for years but then some crappy program forced me to go back to Billy Boy |
| 20:29.12 | MrResearch | :p |
| 20:29.13 | ajavid | MrResearch, after running debian.exe do not reboot |
| 20:29.17 | MrResearch | ok |
| 20:29.28 | maligor | you can have both running on one machine with dualboot or virtualization |
| 20:29.36 | ajavid | MrResearch, simply edit c:\debian\menu.lst and append debconf_priority=low |
| 20:29.39 | ajavid | to your kernel |
| 20:29.45 | ajavid | MrResearch, or medium will work too |
| 20:30.01 | MrResearch | kk thx |
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| 20:30.56 | ajavid | if you have wifi, requiring firmware you should beware of that |
| 20:31.04 | ajavid | be aware* |
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| 20:31.19 | ajavid | network will not function without that if you need it |
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| 20:32.35 | ajavid | Supaplex, when you boot directly from netboot kernel/initrd you do not get to select the expert option, you have to pass it as your kernel boot param via grub's menu.lst |
| 20:32.52 | ajavid | Supaplex, on netinst/cd images only you get to select from the boot menu presented |
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| 20:33.26 | Supaplex | well, I thought debian.exe has an option to enable it. it's been a few months since I was involved in messing with it. |
| 20:33.38 | Supaplex | I'll just remain silent. thanks. |
| 20:33.55 | ajavid | all i ever use debian.exe for is a convenient one shot install of grubNT |
| 20:33.58 | ajavid | thats about all |
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| 20:35.22 | ajavid | Supaplex, you're right, I think debian.exe does have that feature |
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| 20:37.02 | swolchok | please kick Edit |
| 20:37.08 | swolchok | he's spamming "free porno videos" link on join |
| 20:37.14 | ajavid | Supaplex, someone told me to tell you "Good afternoon sir..." ;) |
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| 20:37.43 | ajavid | !ops Edit is spamming on join |
| 20:37.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ajavid complains about: Edit is spamming on join |
| 20:38.07 | Supaplex | yeah, well my giveadamn was broken long time ago. can't be helped anymore. |
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| 20:38.32 | ajavid | !ops aLone_Gi@88.241.18.194 -- onjoin spam |
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| 20:38.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ajavid complains about: aLone_Gi@88.241.18.194 -- onjoin spam |
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| 20:38.45 | ajavid | hey, thanks for letting us know |
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| 20:39.13 | ajavid | Supaplex, :) |
| 20:39.26 | liars | "if you die i promise you'll wake up in a wonderful world" what does that mean? |
| 20:39.40 | ajavid | liars, #defocus |
| 20:39.55 | swolchok | no problem |
| 20:40.19 | ajavid | swolchok, next time just do /whois on the guy, and report nickname, hostmast using !ops in here |
| 20:40.33 | swolchok | oh, ok, thanks |
| 20:40.50 | ajavid | np |
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| 20:44.07 | liars | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcpvuSEyABg |
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| 20:45.29 | stew | liars: is this somehow debian related? |
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| 20:46.46 | nkuttler | stew: /lastlog him, he's been kind of spamming |
| 20:46.48 | dejones | Hello, I am trying to build the nvidia driver module with make-kpkg module_image, but when I execute that command, I see the make-kpkg setup of the script, but nothing builds... |
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| 20:47.19 | dejones | at the beginning of the output, it says "for module in ; do" -- I'd expect something after the "in" -- shouldn't I? |
| 20:47.20 | justin | dejones: shouldn't you be using module-assistant for that? |
| 20:47.47 | dejones | justin: I have a new video card and module-assistant doesn't seem to work with the latest nvidia driver, which is what I need....? |
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| 20:48.03 | din_os | hello, I'm on Ubuntu but thinking of switching to Lenny for more stability. Is it easy to install over ubuntu? Or would it mess up my partitions? |
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| 20:48.45 | amphi | din_os: it could leave your /home untouched (if it's a separate partition), if that's what you mean |
| 20:49.41 | stew | liars: please see my PM |
| 20:50.03 | dejones | I just don't understand why make-kpkg modules_image isn't building the nvidia module in the /usr/src/modules directory. The make-kpkg script just does nothing but the setup... |
| 20:50.10 | dejones | then nothing builds. :( |
| 20:50.13 | din_os | amphi: it's not a separate partition, I'll keep a backup of my files, my partitions are 1.Windows 2.EXT3 3.SWAP |
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| 20:51.06 | din_os | amphi: Do you think I can install it over the EXT3 also use the SWAP and overwrite the boot manager too without issues? |
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| 20:51.46 | din_os | basically ubuntu is gone, only windows and lenny remain on the previous ubuntu partition |
| 20:52.51 | amphi | din_os: you can tell the installer to leave the legacy os partition alone |
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| 20:53.37 | din_os | aha, ok I'll keep that in mind thanks |
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| 20:54.31 | SliMM | hello |
| 20:55.10 | SliMM | can you recommend me a small (and fast) debian-based distro that I can install on a memory stick |
| 20:55.11 | SliMM | ? |
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| 20:55.21 | wsxws | hi all |
| 20:55.35 | wsxws | how to add an own manpage to debian-lenny ? |
| 20:55.38 | amphi | din_os: just tell it to use your current swap partition for swap, and mkfs your / (unless you want to delete that partition, and make a separate /home partition) |
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| 20:58.10 | wsxws | even if you want to create a new partiton /home you dnt need to loose data, youcan convert your filesystem to ext2, resize the fileformat, delete the old partiton and create a smaller one, your data still will be there, just du another resize and convert back to ext3 |
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| 20:58.42 | din_os | amphi: I home deleting the / and repartitioning won't create any problems |
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| 21:00.14 | Tramp | SliMM: no. This channel is about Debian, not about "Debian based". I suggest you ask in ##linux. |
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| 21:00.24 | Lede | debian is an african word for "i can't install ubuntu" |
| 21:00.32 | dejones | lol |
| 21:00.51 | dejones | Lede: shouldn't that be the other way around? |
| 21:00.53 | SliMM | Lede: nah, the other way around |
| 21:00.58 | dejones | haha |
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| 21:02.33 | wsxws | if this is a debian channel, could someone please tell me how to add an own manpage ? |
| 21:02.40 | wsxws | on debian (lenny) |
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| 21:03.02 | bekks | hi |
| 21:03.16 | bekks | a friend of mine is experiencing a very strange problem: he's running backups using dump from a ro mounted fs on another box. as long as coreutils are installed on that linux box, even an incremental backup will be full-sized. anyone heard of problems like that? |
| 21:03.54 | bekks | the box running the backups is fully unchanged and working for about two years now |
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| 21:04.41 | lamdk | mmm what do i do if im trying to install/boot from the first CD and i just get a blinking cursor o_O |
| 21:04.45 | gravity | wsxws: Drop it in to /usr/share/man in the correct directory |
| 21:05.15 | gravity | wsxws: Or /usr/local/share/man |
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| 21:05.37 | wsxws | where to knwo which of the dirs is the right one ? |
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| 21:05.49 | wsxws | (its /usr/share/man) |
| 21:06.03 | wsxws | but there are plenty of subdirs |
| 21:06.15 | amphi | din_os: no, it shouldn't - you can delete that partition, and create two in the space, if you want; one for / and one for /home - or just keep your current partitioning scheme |
| 21:06.53 | gravity | wsxws: It doesn't really matter, but you should go read up on the different manpage sections. Then put it in to the appropriate directory matching the section that your manpage belongs to |
| 21:07.09 | gravity | wsxws: The man manpage lists the sections |
| 21:07.13 | liars | crackhead rules and if you die you'll wake up in a wonderful world |
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| 21:07.41 | wsxws | okies, going to read again |
| 21:07.48 | wsxws | thanks and nice evening ;) |
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| 21:07.52 | greycat | Also intro(1) intro(2) etc. describe each section in detail. |
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| 21:08.54 | liars | crackhead rules and if you suicide you'll wake up in a wonderful world |
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| 21:11.50 | boombo | hi. how i can secuce apache mod proxy ? my source adresse is dynamic. only the destination is static |
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| 21:12.36 | din_os | amphi: thanks! |
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| 21:15.02 | amphi | din_os: good luck |
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| 21:21.16 | Gnurdux | damn |
| 21:21.29 | Gnurdux | so my sound seems to have stopped working again |
| 21:21.36 | Gnurdux | it stopped working last time i upgraded |
| 21:21.43 | Gnurdux | then just doing alsaconf fixed it |
| 21:21.46 | Gnurdux | now it doesnt work again |
| 21:21.57 | Gnurdux | (as in no sound comes out of speakers or headphones) |
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| 21:25.03 | Gnurdux | i have intel integrated sound btw |
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| 21:26.20 | amphi | !tell Gnurdux -about alsa checklist |
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| 21:28.35 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 21:28.42 | Gnurdux | checked all of that that i hadnt already |
| 21:28.55 | Gnurdux | speakers ARE on (and headphones didnt work either) |
| 21:28.59 | Gnurdux | channels ARE unmuteed |
| 21:29.07 | Gnurdux | i AM in audio group |
| 21:29.15 | Gnurdux | the module IS loaded |
| 21:29.22 | Gnurdux | and no sound comes out from the aplay, even as root |
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| 21:30.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | root doesn't need to be in the audio group |
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| 21:31.15 | Gnurdux | i know :P |
| 21:31.22 | Gnurdux | my user is in the audio group |
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| 21:31.27 | Gnurdux | but neither it nor root can make sound |
| 21:31.34 | Gnurdux | and htis worked before today |
| 21:31.40 | Gnurdux | today power went out |
| 21:31.46 | Gnurdux | and when i turned it on sound didnt work |
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| 21:31.57 | Gnurdux | i suppose its conceivable there was hardware damage |
| 21:32.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | speakers didn't take the voltage spike :) |
| 21:32.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
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| 21:32.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | or the audio circuit |
| 21:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | which explains why changing software options doesn't do much |
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| 21:33.15 | enouf | check your BIOS didn't freak - lose CMOS settings, etc |
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| 21:33.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does the bios store about sound? |
| 21:33.45 | enouf | On/Off |
| 21:34.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, not the speakers actually, if headphones also don't work |
| 21:34.58 | enouf | <Gnurdux> i have intel integrated sound btw |
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| 21:35.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 21:35.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | i have something like that on my laptop |
| 21:35.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the microphone won't work, whatever I do |
| 21:35.40 | Gnurdux | i dont think its default for sound to be disabled |
| 21:35.47 | Gnurdux | plus cmos doesnt reset every power outage |
| 21:35.51 | enouf | hrm .. though he does mention the module is loaded .. why? |
| 21:35.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | finally tied with windows and it didn't work either |
| 21:36.13 | enouf | Gnurdux: ofcourse it doesn't, but a power spike could easily flake it out |
| 21:36.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and the in-built microphone doesn't work, nor any external ones I plug in) |
| 21:36.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | so in my case definitely the microphone circuits got fried |
| 21:36.50 | enouf | Gnurdux: CutMeOwnThroat ssh'd in and disabled your audio .. on purpose |
| 21:37.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | the only way I CAN have a microphone now is by connecting an usb microphone (or headset) |
| 21:37.22 | Gnurdux | lol |
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| 21:38.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat was right, it would be a pain to figure |
| 21:38.22 | Lns | Any ACL experts lurking? |
| 21:38.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, I have the impression the damn user isn't used at all |
| 21:38.48 | enouf | Lns: getfacl, setfacl, that's all i know |
| 21:40.19 | Lns | :) I need to know what I can do about users (elementary school students specifically) changing file permissions/ACLs to remove 'teachers' and 'admin' groups from their home dirs. They own (by default) their home dirs and all files created obviously..is there any way to prevent them from being able to remove permissions such as these? |
| 21:40.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | find / -user backup -o -group backup doesn't find anything, there's nothing in /etc/cron*/* and nothing in /etc/init.d/* that shows that user backup is used |
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| 21:40.52 | enouf | Lns: chmod +i perhaps .. but that's not ACLs, but xattributes |
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| 21:41.44 | Lns | enouf: thanks..i hadn't looked into xattribs yet |
| 21:41.49 | enouf | man chattr ; man lsattr .. though still not sure it's for you |
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| 21:43.21 | enouf | there's also other options; SELinux and such (not sure, i should've mentioned that though) |
| 21:43.22 | Lns | enouf: thanks.. maybe this'll force me into looking seriously at selinux |
| 21:43.26 | Lns | heh |
| 21:43.28 | enouf | heh |
| 21:44.24 | caotic | I iherited a machine with debian, need to use mysql, but there is already a mysql instalation with a root password, is there any way to uninstarl and reinstall the server so that the dbs get deleted as well as user configurations |
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| 21:44.52 | enouf | Lns: as far as debian is concerned; http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/packages/Packages |
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| 21:46.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lns, /msg dpkg acl has a couple of links, the last one might be useful |
| 21:46.53 | Lns | enouf: nice, thanks |
| 21:46.59 | Lns | CutMeOwnThroat: =) thx! |
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| 21:47.22 | gravity | invasion of the mysql and php people lately |
| 21:47.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lns, look at Access Check Algorithm, I guess that answers your question |
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| 21:48.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | albeit with "no" |
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| 21:49.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | caotic, /msg dpkg forgot mysql root password |
| 21:49.53 | enouf | Lns: "However if the sticky bit is also set on the directory, only the owner of a file (and the super-user) will be able to delete that file. Public directories such as /tmp use this feature. " http://wpollock.com/AUnix1/FilePermissions.htm just above the ACL area ;-) |
| 21:50.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | caotic, I never tried, but I would think nothing will touch the databases (as they're not created by the package, but by the software in the package - similar as removing openoffice will not remove your documents) |
| 21:50.34 | enouf | Lns: chmod 1777 -R /dir is what you want perhaps |
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| 21:50.51 | Lns | enouf: that wouldn't really accomplish what i need |
| 21:50.55 | enouf | ok |
| 21:51.01 | Lns | thx thou =) |
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| 21:51.07 | Lns | i think selinux will probably be my best bet |
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| 21:51.14 | Lns | it'd be nice to know how it works anyway |
| 21:51.15 | caotic | CutMeOwnThroat: ... so, how can I use a new mysql server on this machine ? |
| 21:51.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lns, guess you could have a script become each user and reset the acls every night :) |
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| 21:51.33 | caotic | is it even possible to crack the password ? |
| 21:51.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | caotic, I told you how to recover the password!\ |
| 21:51.50 | caotic | oh sorry |
| 21:51.56 | Lns | CutMeOwnThroat: that was my first attempt at a solution, but it's an ugly hack and wouldn't help the day the user changes perms |
| 21:52.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | or told you how to ask dpkg for it |
| 21:52.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lns, not so ugly - and not uncommon with non-acl permissions either |
| 21:52.41 | enouf | Lns: another option is to setup a xen instance for each user (to jail them), but again, not what you asked really |
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| 21:53.08 | Lns | CutMeOwnThroat: not uncommon doesn't mean it's not ugly ;) |
| 21:53.32 | caotic | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean /msg dpkg ? |
| 21:53.33 | enouf | i mean, teacher and admin groups are also writing files into the user's /home somewhere? |
| 21:53.34 | Lns | i try to avoid cronjobs to "fix" stuff periodically |
| 21:53.45 | Lns | enouf: yes |
| 21:53.55 | enouf | it's ifmrp |
| 21:53.56 | ajavid | hi |
| 21:54.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lns, I disagree! the more you get used to something the less ugly it appears :) |
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| 21:54.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | caotic, yes |
| 21:54.29 | Lns | hahaha...that is true perhaps =) |
| 21:54.43 | Lns | but a timed permissions change can be all the difference |
| 21:54.58 | enouf | oh, the one CutMeOwnThroat mentioned , even without the prepended 'i' works as well |
| 21:55.01 | Lns | and I don't want to be running a job that recursively changes permissions on hundreds of users' homedirs and all files more than that |
| 21:55.21 | enouf | ajavid: yo yo ma |
| 21:55.23 | Lns | last time I did that it took ~5 minutes to complete |
| 21:55.37 | ajavid | enouf, I'm trying to decide what to do |
| 21:55.42 | Lns | on a 2x cpu, 2x core box w/8gb ram |
| 21:55.46 | Lns | and sas |
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| 21:55.57 | Lns | ext3 admittedly, but still. |
| 21:56.11 | ajavid | enouf, I transferred everything to a 1.0tb drive yesterday, ext4 fs |
| 21:56.12 | enouf | ajavid: i think you should order in some chicken and rice |
| 21:56.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lns, 5 mins is not bad for daily |
| 21:56.39 | enouf | ajavid: for playtime? or serious everyday use? |
| 21:56.49 | ajavid | enouf, I want kde3.5.10 and sid |
| 21:56.54 | Lns | CutMeOwnThroat: correct, but again, if the user changes perms one day and the teacher/admin needs access the same day, you're in a rut |
| 21:56.55 | enouf | ugh |
| 21:56.55 | jpinx-eeepc | Lns: akaict your students need jailed;) |
| 21:56.58 | ajavid | 2.6.29+ |
| 21:57.16 | enouf | ajavid: start getting involved with other shit .. forget kde man .. c'mon |
| 21:57.25 | ajavid | ahh c'mon man |
| 21:57.29 | ajavid | thats my favorite desktop |
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| 21:57.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lns, http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ seems not very up-to-date, but quite complete, and I don't see any alternative (it's funny though, that the backup section doesn't see any problem in files that only the user may read) |
| 21:57.40 | ajavid | what else is out there, I've sampled it all and it all sucks balls |
| 21:57.49 | jpinx-eeepc | Lns: virtualbox might be better for you |
| 21:57.51 | enouf | ajavid: dude, just tell yourself to use a p2 - then you'll want to stop using it |
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| 21:58.08 | ajavid | enouf, I have 3500MHz and 8GB RAM |
| 21:58.20 | enouf | ajavid: DEs suck balls |
| 21:58.21 | ajavid | wtf do I care how bloated kde is (even though kde3 isn't really bloated) |
| 21:58.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lns, well, it's not the teacher who gets the bad grade for reaching in the work late, so I actually don't see a problem there... it's part of the learning curve :) |
| 21:58.38 | Manoj | http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/desktop-duo.png is my favourite desktop |
| 21:58.44 | enouf | ajavid: install Blista (or XPoop Pro) and be happy |
| 21:58.47 | Lns | CutMeOwnThroat: you are of little help to me ;) |
| 21:59.13 | ajavid | I want lenny, with 2.6.28+, xorg 7.4/mesa/radeon, and kde3.5.10 |
| 21:59.28 | enouf | ajavid: i'm SURE your Uni is offering STEEP discounts for that crap software |
| 21:59.28 | ajavid | thats what I really want |
| 21:59.35 | ajavid | for my everyday new desktop |
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| 21:59.50 | ajavid | but so much work is involved its like argh i don't wanna |
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| 22:01.12 | ajavid | lenny+kernel+kde is no issue. I'm wondering what I'd have to do to get xort7.4 on there |
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| 22:01.31 | ajavid | I'd have to build from source? or can I use testing packages? or should I do the whole backport? |
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| 22:01.59 | enouf | ajavid: ask debian-x |
| 22:02.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | we also need debian triple x :) |
| 22:02.33 | ajavid | enouf, what else can I run? xfce |
| 22:02.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can run whatever you like |
| 22:03.00 | enouf | ajavid: i'm the wrong person to ask - you know that - try xmonad or something like lxde |
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| 22:03.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's probably around 50 windows managers in debian |
| 22:03.11 | ajavid | more |
| 22:03.16 | ajavid | !xwinman |
| 22:03.16 | dpkg | well, xwinman is probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 22:03.28 | ajavid | i made the factoil |
| 22:03.30 | ajavid | i think |
| 22:03.33 | enouf | apt-cache show x-window-manager |
| 22:03.35 | ajavid | !factinfo xwinman |
| 22:03.35 | dpkg | xwinman -- last modified at Mon Jan 21 04:22:16 2008 by kop!~kop@meme-net.meme.com; it has been requested 29 times, last by ajavid, 19s ago. |
| 22:03.40 | enouf | apt-cache show/search x-window-manager |
| 22:03.40 | jpinx-eeepc | Lns: if you solve that I'd be interested to hear how ;) |
| 22:03.50 | ajavid | I'm going with kde, I don't like anything else |
| 22:03.57 | Lns | jpinx-eeepc: will do =) i'm sure i'll find something |
| 22:04.11 | enouf | spanks ajavid with Enlightenment 17! |
| 22:04.27 | Zharf | stop spanking people with nonexisting objects |
| 22:04.28 | enouf | is just hurling out names he recalls hearing about :-P |
| 22:04.33 | lamdk | anyone here have direct tv |
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| 22:04.42 | lamdk | if i want to add it to like another tv, do i have to buy another dish |
| 22:04.45 | jpinx-eeepc | Lns: your environment (students/teacher) is not what the ACL was designed for and I really don't think it'll do what you want |
| 22:05.41 | enouf | Lns: FWIW, and maybe a bit off-topic for you, but screen in multiuser mode might be beneficial for teacher/student pairing and learning and tutoring? |
| 22:06.39 | Lns | jpinx-eeepc: well ACLs have done wonders for this env. so far, past the ugo limitations |
| 22:06.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lns, actually, can't you just mount it without acls for their access? |
| 22:07.10 | Lns | CutMeOwnThroat: huh? |
| 22:07.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | on a different machine |
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| 22:08.22 | Lns | CutMeOwnThroat: not following |
| 22:08.33 | jpinx-eeepc | afaict acl's will always allow the file owner to do whatever he wants with the file permissions |
| 22:09.10 | Conic | Hey guys. So. I have some kernel source that's compiling right now. |
| 22:09.31 | Lns | jpinx-eeepc: yeah, that's what i get too |
| 22:09.41 | Conic | When it's done, I can install Lenny and overwrite its kernel with this one, right? |
| 22:10.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Lns: in virtualbox you can always loginto a guest as root and the guest can not do anything about that |
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| 22:11.43 | Lns | jpinx-eeepc: not sure what virtualization has to do with anything.....? |
| 22:11.52 | jpinx-eeepc | students get user accounts in a guest OS and teachers log into the "classroom" guest OS as root |
| 22:11.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Conic, sounds like a BadIdea(TM) |
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| 22:12.28 | Conic | How is it a bad idea if Lenny won't boot unless I install the kernel |
| 22:12.28 | Conic | ? |
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| 22:12.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | overwriting an existing kernel with a different one? |
| 22:13.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | so that it'll try to load kerne modules of a different version into that kernel? |
| 22:13.09 | jpinx-eeepc | Lns: your class of (say) 30 students woud be working on a guest OS and the teachers would have accounts on the host and loginto the classroom guest OS as root |
| 22:13.41 | jpinx-eeepc | would need to draw a schematic for Lns |
| 22:14.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lns, make a suid-root script that is only group-executable with which the teachers, who are in one group can make stuff readable to them |
| 22:14.09 | Conic | Then how do I upgrade a kernel? |
| 22:14.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can add it to /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:14.28 | Conic | I'm building it with make-kpkg in VirtualBox right now |
| 22:14.30 | Conic | Oh, that |
| 22:14.33 | Conic | That's what I meant |
| 22:14.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you make it wit make-kpkg you can just install it with dpkg -i |
| 22:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | which should be ok |
| 22:14.56 | Conic | Okay |
| 22:14.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | why do you need a custom kernel? |
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| 22:15.07 | Conic | Some weird SATA hard drive. |
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| 22:15.18 | Conic | I need at least 2.6.29.1 |
| 22:15.30 | Conic | ...Wow these things take forever to compile. o_O |
| 22:15.34 | enouf | figures ... Google search of Yahoo messenger launchcast linux yields results from 2004 ... haha |
| 22:15.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think dpkg also has a -root=dir option if you have to put it on the disk before booting the system |
| 22:16.04 | enouf | but wikipedia is current :-P |
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| 22:16.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | (well, I *know* it got that option and I *think* it does what you need) |
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| 22:17.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Conic, 2.6.29-4 is in unstable |
| 22:17.34 | enouf | awe CRAP ... stinkin flashplayer for fucken Audio only?@!@@ |
| 22:17.40 | Conic | I'm using -1 |
| 22:17.42 | Conic | Not -4 |
| 22:17.45 | Lns | jpinx-eeepc: that wouldn't work...i'm trying to get a solution for 7 schools that all have ubuntu LTSP servers. virtualization would lag things down and cause a whole lot of extra work for this one need |
| 22:17.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions linux-image-2.6.29-2-686 |
| 22:17.53 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: linux-image-2.6.29-2-686 -- sid: 2.6.29-4 |
| 22:18.09 | jpinx-eeepc | Lns: :( |
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| 22:18.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | he said the U-word! |
| 22:18.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ubuntusmite Lns |
| 22:18.51 | dpkg | takes away all the CO2 in the air around Lns and replaces it with CO. "It's related to carbon dioxide! It's based on carbon dioxide!" |
| 22:19.03 | ajavid | lol |
| 22:19.13 | ajavid | thats kinda stupid |
| 22:19.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | he said the l-word! |
| 22:19.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lol |
| 22:19.19 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 22:19.20 | ajavid | cuz we dont'really need co2 for ourselves |
| 22:19.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, this is about toxicity |
| 22:19.48 | ajavid | of our city, of our ciiiiity |
| 22:19.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | not about what you *need* |
| 22:19.50 | Conic | CO lol |
| 22:19.53 | enouf | Lns: not so, if you used KVM ;-) you could use that as a reason that they require upgraded hardware! :-) |
| 22:19.55 | Conic | Or heh |
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| 22:19.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | :))) |
| 22:19.59 | ajavid | toxicity of our city |
| 22:20.06 | ajavid | system of a downsyndrome! |
| 22:20.08 | Conic | Breathing carbon monoxide is fun |
| 22:20.15 | ajavid | anyway |
| 22:20.18 | Conic | It's good for your heart. |
| 22:20.26 | enouf | man these radio stations SUCK! |
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| 22:20.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, relieves it of all that tiering beating |
| 22:20.44 | enouf | p[laying all this old worn out crap!! |
| 22:20.49 | ajavid | alright |
| 22:20.58 | ajavid | lets start debianradio.org/com/net whatever |
| 22:21.18 | ajavid | you can just talk about debian all day and some people might listen in |
| 22:21.20 | ajavid | find it useful |
| 22:21.25 | enouf | maybe even tries to get _stupid_ lastfm working ... |
| 22:21.57 | ajavid | enouf, can you get anti aliased fonts in java application? |
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| 22:22.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Conic, just use the one from unstable? I personally think mixing in a kernel from another repro is quite safe (of course, I might be wrong) |
| 22:22.15 | Lns | enouf: heh... they're HP Proliants, 1.6GHz dual-CPU, dualcore w/8GB ram..i dont' think they need anything better ;) |
| 22:22.16 | enouf | ajavid: how should i know! you're the "webdev"! |
| 22:22.18 | ajavid | any java app, lime/frost wire, azureus, netbeans, whatever |
| 22:22.23 | Conic | What? You can do that? |
| 22:22.27 | Conic | Cool |
| 22:22.31 | Conic | Can you explain how? |
| 22:22.40 | ajavid | who are you talking to? |
| 22:22.45 | enouf | Lns: but do they have the vmx or svm flag? |
| 22:22.56 | Conic | I was talking to CutMeOwnThroat |
| 22:22.57 | ajavid | Conic, smoking crack are you? |
| 22:22.59 | ajavid | ;) |
| 22:23.03 | Lns | enouf: i'm not gonna get a VM going just for restricting access :) |
| 22:23.10 | Lns | i'm sure theres a better solution than that |
| 22:23.11 | enouf | considers installing Xpoop pro just to be able to use Limewire ... fuck! |
| 22:23.20 | ajavid | dude |
| 22:23.23 | ajavid | frostwire! |
| 22:23.32 | ajavid | and wtf do you need limewire for ? |
| 22:23.44 | ajavid | and why on windos, its java, cross fucking platform. |
| 22:23.45 | enouf | Lns: it's not like a regular VM .. but ok ... just something else to consider |
| 22:23.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Conic, well, in your case you probably want to fetch the .deb and install it - usual, you just put a stanza for unstable in /etc/apt/sources.list then do apt-get update update and apt-get install xxx |
| 22:24.12 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, apt-get -t unstable install, after pinning releasae stable as 1000+ |
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| 22:24.18 | Lns | enouf: thanks :) no, i'm sure there's a filesystem level solution for me |
| 22:24.20 | ajavid | otherwise do not mix shit |
| 22:24.23 | micket | Conic: add sid/unstable to your /etc/apt/sources.list and pick your kernel with aptitude install linux-image-2.6.29-1-686/unstable |
| 22:24.25 | ajavid | stable/testing |
| 22:24.25 | micket | I'm late. |
| 22:24.27 | micket | :( |
| 22:24.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Conic, mind, for most packages that can create a hell lot of problems... |
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| 22:24.31 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache show frostwire |
| 22:24.32 | enouf | W: Unable to locate package frostwire |
| 22:24.39 | ajavid | enouf, its not in deb |
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| 22:24.46 | Conic | I'll have to write that down |
| 22:24.46 | ajavid | go to frostwire.org/com whatever, and dl the .deb |
| 22:24.49 | enouf | i can see that ... |
| 22:25.02 | ajavid | enouf, dpkg -i it, and as long as you have a JRE you can run it |
| 22:25.11 | ajavid | 6mb tops |
| 22:25.19 | ajavid | much better than limewire too |
| 22:25.29 | enouf | ajavid: OMG - fucken JAVAshit? N O - Friggin way! |
| 22:25.31 | ajavid | there is also gtk-gnutella |
| 22:25.40 | ajavid | so run pygtk |
| 22:25.47 | ajavid | !+info gtk-gnutella |
| 22:25.49 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:25.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Conic, but the kernel doesn't have a lot of dependencies, so mostly you're good |
| 22:25.57 | enouf | thank goodness you told me .. but i would've found out , before installing |
| 22:26.03 | jelly-home | ajavid: use judd instead |
| 22:26.14 | ajavid | jelly-home, judd can do descriptions? |
| 22:26.18 | enouf | yep |
| 22:26.18 | ajavid | jelly-home, or only versions? |
| 22:26.22 | dpkg | gtk-gnutella: (shares files in a peer to peer network), section net, is optional. Version: 0.96.6+dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 14812 kB, Installed size: 27064 kB |
| 22:26.22 | enouf | more |
| 22:26.28 | jelly-home | judd: info gtk-gnutella |
| 22:26.28 | ajavid | word |
| 22:26.29 | judd | jelly-home: gtk-gnutella (net): is optional; Version: 0.96.5-1; Size: 13274.8k; Installed: 24608k -- shares files in a peer to peer network |
| 22:26.37 | ajavid | dude thats awesome! |
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| 22:26.44 | enouf | judd: pccid 10de:7845 |
| 22:26.45 | judd | enouf: Error: "pccid" is not a valid command. |
| 22:26.50 | enouf | judd: pciid 10de:7845 |
| 22:26.51 | judd | enouf: [10de:7845] is 'Unknown device' from 'nVidia Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:7845 |
| 22:27.01 | ajavid | thats hot! |
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| 22:27.04 | enouf | well .. i made that one up - but it worls |
| 22:28.03 | jelly-home | judd, pciid 8086:4224 |
| 22:28.05 | judd | jelly-home: [8086:4224] is 'PRO/Wireless 2915ABG [Calexico2] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ipw2200' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4224 |
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| 22:29.52 | jpinx-eeepc | Lns: what about some means of copying every file saved by a user to another dir not owned by the user? Then teachers delete as the correct/etc. |
| 22:30.33 | Lns | jpinx-eeepc: nononono....baaad =p |
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| 22:30.41 | Lns | hack-o-rama ;) |
| 22:30.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Lns: just ideas :p |
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| 22:31.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, jump through a loop |
| 22:31.12 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: Error: "jump" is not a valid command. |
| 22:31.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | :( |
| 22:31.22 | balaa | hi all, where is the plugin directory for iceweasel? im running squeeze |
| 22:31.32 | Lns | jpinx-eeepc: I'm thinking more along the lines of possibly having the homedirs themselves NOT owned by the user, but by root/someone else and simply applying default ACLs so each user still has appropriate perms |
| 22:31.34 | jpinx-eeepc | !loop CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 22:32.02 | jpinx-eeepc | Lns: I assumed you had been trying that already - it's the obvous solution |
| 22:32.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | loops around in the air until he is dizzy, then falls onto jpinx-eeepc |
| 22:32.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I gave him a solution! |
| 22:32.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's ubuntu, so it won't work properly anyways :-P |
| 22:32.39 | jpinx-eeepc | ubuntu \o/ |
| 22:32.48 | jpinx-eeepc | shock horror ! |
| 22:33.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry, the u-word |
| 22:33.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | the u-distri? |
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| 22:33.47 | Lns | oh jeez, come on =p |
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| 22:34.05 | jpinx-eeepc | each student user is given a homedir owned by a tutor and is a member of that tutors group |
| 22:34.12 | jpinx-eeepc | Lns: ^^ |
| 22:34.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | my, I gave him a good solution... cut it out |
| 22:35.03 | jpinx-eeepc | the studentuser can not remove the tutors ownership |
| 22:35.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | but he'll own the file |
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| 22:35.47 | jpinx-eeepc | the student/user will *always* own the file - that's a given |
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| 22:36.26 | tcp- | :o |
| 22:36.30 | jpinx-eeepc | unless you trigger a chown script for every save |
| 22:36.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, where's your buddy ip |
| 22:37.11 | tcp- | *sniffed* |
| 22:37.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | bets it must be *minutes* or more since that guy heard that |
| 22:37.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | before |
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| 22:37.46 | tcp- | i hear that almost daily - tcp is my login at uni :p |
| 22:38.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, of course you both totally ignored my solution :) |
| 22:38.12 | jpinx-eeepc | would change that ;) |
| 22:38.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinks it's not his problem if people don't read, though |
| 22:38.40 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: your solution was a periodic chown |
| 22:38.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 22:38.46 | jpinx-eeepc | or what? |
| 22:38.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | after that |
| 22:38.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | see! |
| 22:39.00 | jpinx-eeepc | is too lazy to read the scrollback |
| 22:39.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | you were just ranting on about virtual hosts |
| 22:39.35 | jpinx-eeepc | !rant CutMeOwnThroat |
| 22:39.49 | ajavid | hey |
| 22:39.52 | jpinx-eeepc | where is that f'ing bot when you need it |
| 22:40.07 | tcp- | ChipCheck-A Program Predicting Total Hybridization Equilibria for DNA Binding to Small Oligonucleotide Microarrays |
| 22:40.10 | ajavid | unetbootin from sourceforge for windows, + usb flash disk, == prepare usb stick for debian install |
| 22:40.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, "<CutMeOwnThroat> Lns, make a suid-root script that is only group-executable with which the teachers, who are in one group can make stuff readable to them" |
| 22:40.30 | ajavid | it will download the netinst iso, and extract/prepare your usb disk automatically |
| 22:40.35 | ajavid | from within windows |
| 22:40.42 | ajavid | I just discovered UNetBootin, check it ou |
| 22:40.50 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: fairy snuff;) |
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| 22:41.27 | tcp- | CutMeOwnThroat: chemie? |
| 22:41.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, it shouldn't happen so often, if the default does give them permission |
| 22:41.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | tcp-, yes |
| 22:41.39 | lamdk | wait does CD1 contain a bootable installer? or is there a separate installer disk |
| 22:41.55 | jpinx-eeepc | heads for the beach |
| 22:42.02 | lamdk | i have Debian 4.0 x64 |
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| 22:42.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | it does |
| 22:42.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also the netinst image which is smaller... |
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| 22:45.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ig |
| 22:45.03 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <installer firmware>. |
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| 22:45.48 | tcp- | im bored :( |
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| 22:46.18 | micket | tcp-: find a project. improve it. Better debian for everyone! yay! |
| 22:47.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm never bored when I have internet access |
| 22:47.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | and of course, I could also always do some work... |
| 22:47.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | shudders slightly |
| 22:47.46 | Polarina | When I am bored, I start researching and implementing useless stuff. |
| 22:49.09 | tcp- | lol |
| 22:49.20 | micket | tcp-: get to work! |
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| 22:49.31 | krphop | so in debian 4.x, where are runlevel start scripts stored? |
| 22:49.33 | tcp- | I already have a good project to work on, but I'm just not in the mood today. |
| 22:49.44 | Polarina | tcp-: What project is that? |
| 22:50.14 | jelly-home | krphop: /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 22:50.16 | tcp- | uni OS project.. basically I'm cripping a debian system through my nokia1100 :) |
| 22:50.35 | krphop | only thing i have is rc.local in /etc |
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| 22:51.15 | mavhc | tcp-: apparently some of those phones are worth $25,000 |
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| 22:51.26 | tcp- | I also have to document a SPARC v8 I implemented on verilog and finish a two-phase 'assembler' |
| 22:51.37 | tcp- | mavhc: Well, find me a buyer - I have 3. |
| 22:51.43 | jelly-home | krphop: is sysvinit package installed? |
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| 22:52.27 | krphop | jelly-home yes |
| 22:52.28 | mavhc | according to some they can be used to intercept sms messages for other phones |
| 22:53.08 | micket | Reading other peoples sms wouldn't be very entertaining. |
| 22:53.15 | tcp- | yeah, I read something about it.. |
| 22:53.26 | mavhc | depends if they're being used for authentication |
| 22:53.30 | tcp- | micket: It could be, if you were collecting them :) |
| 22:53.48 | tcp- | mavhc: apparently its used for auth |
| 22:54.17 | jelly-home | krphop: and there are no directories matching /etc/rc?.d ? |
| 22:54.23 | krphop | nope |
| 22:54.49 | jelly-home | krphop: paste the output of dpkg -l libc6 sysvinit |tail -2 |
| 22:55.28 | krphop | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:55.28 | krphop | ii sysvinit 2.86.ds1-38+etchnhalf.1 System-V-like init utilities |
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| 22:56.54 | krphop | any input? |
| 22:57.21 | tcp- | lol my phone is german |
| 22:57.36 | jelly-home | krphop: your system seems to be broken or configured to work around sysvinit package |
| 22:58.00 | enouf | krphop: debian has symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ that point to /etc/init.d/ |
| 22:58.01 | jelly-home | krphop: pastebin the output of ls -la /etc/init.d ? |
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| 22:58.26 | enouf | krphop: you're obviously using some sickopsycho variant |
| 22:58.26 | krphop | there's items in init.d |
| 22:58.36 | jelly-home | krphop: add ls -ld /etc/rc* while you're at it |
| 22:58.41 | krphop | but no folders in /etc for rcX |
| 22:58.51 | krphop | just /etc/rc.local |
| 22:58.57 | enouf | you should also have a /etc/rcS.d/ unless .. maybe you're using filerc? |
| 22:59.07 | enouf | judd: info file-rc |
| 22:59.07 | judd | enouf: file-rc (admin): is extra; Version: 0.8.11; Size: 35.8k; Installed: 188k -- Alternative boot mechanism using a single configuration file |
| 22:59.13 | krphop | no rcS.d |
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| 23:00.20 | jelly-home | hm, file-rc doesn't Conflicts: sysvinit |
| 23:00.41 | tcp- | has anyone ever been around LKMs |
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| 23:09.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | krphop, do you see them in dpkg -L sysv-rc? |
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| 23:09.59 | krphop | not installed |
| 23:10.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | installit! |
| 23:10.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can you not have that |
| 23:10.12 | krphop | hah no |
| 23:10.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | or was it called differently in etch |
| 23:10.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions sysv-rc |
| 23:10.34 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: sysv-rc -- etch: 2.86.ds1-38+etchnhalf.1 etch-backports: 2.86.ds1-47~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.86.ds1-61 sid: 2.86.ds1-61 squeeze: 2.86.ds1-61 |
| 23:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hah, yes! |
| 23:10.49 | enouf | judd: info sysv-rc-conf |
| 23:10.49 | judd | enouf: sysv-rc-conf (admin): is optional; Version: 0.99-6; Size: 23.5k; Installed: 68k -- SysV init runlevel configuration tool for the terminal |
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| 23:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, rdepends sysv-rc |
| 23:11.21 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: Error: "rdepends" is not a valid command. |
| 23:11.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn :) |
| 23:11.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | sysvinit Reverse Depends: ppp modutils dpkg selinux-policy-mls selinux-policy-default e2fsprogs upstart-compat-sysv upstart upstart dpkg sysvinit-utils sysv-rc selinux-policy-mls selinux-policy-default initscripts initscripts file-rc e2fsprogs dpkg |
| 23:11.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg depends on it! |
| 23:11.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, wrong one |
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| 23:12.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | sysv-rc Reverse Depends: upstart-compat-sysv tftpd-hpa rcconf bum tftpd-hpa |sysvinit sysv-rc-conf runit-run rcconf portmap kde-guidance insserv initscripts file-rc |festival bum |
| 23:13.22 | enouf | thinks the kid is playing with his sister's VPS .. heh |
| 23:13.34 | krphop | lol |
| 23:13.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, but sysvinit depends on it, which you said is installed |
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| 23:15.14 | karsten | enouf: Just saw your comments WRT my partitioning FAQ, assuming that was within recent memory (per scrollback). |
| 23:15.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | although that can also be satisfied by file-rc |
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| 23:15.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | whatever that is |
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| 23:16.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 23:16.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | <dpkg> Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 23:16.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | <dpkg> Package 'on it!' does not exist. |
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| 23:16.34 | enouf | karsten: yes - i felt i had some time to start plunging through it all again, also; it was an apropos link for atleast one; then another mentioned something noteworthy - so i forwarded your requests for comments/etc .. hope you don't mind (and atleast those 2 are not newbs) |
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| 23:17.03 | karsten | enouf: Not at all. |
| 23:17.12 | enouf | ;-) |
| 23:17.15 | karsten | enouf: Just got a really nice email from a guy in Canada a week or so back. |
| 23:17.23 | enouf | sweet ... |
| 23:17.34 | karsten | enouf: I didn't post it to teh IntarTubes for it to die silently :) |
| 23:17.45 | enouf | haha .. indeed! |
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| 23:18.04 | karsten | is puzzling over Sun's ILOM CLI crap. |
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| 23:19.11 | karsten | Documentation is filled with such useful nuggets as "Every object in your namespace is a target." |
| 23:19.26 | karsten | feels the manual should be accompanied by a shotgun and sniper rifle. |
| 23:19.31 | enouf | karsten: is that some sort of SUN proprietary style DMI/SMBIOS thing for managing servers remotely? |
| 23:19.41 | enouf | heh |
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| 23:19.48 | karsten | enouf: it's Sun's crappy IPMI substitution. |
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| 23:20.19 | karsten | The Java client runs only on Safari (OS X) and MSIE (Windows). Firefox/Iceweasel can suck asteroid dust, apparently. |
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| 23:20.29 | enouf | ahh .. well IIRC, IPMI is the newer style (HP?) DMI/SMBios crap ;-) |
| 23:20.33 | enouf | or Intel? |
| 23:20.50 | enouf | omg |
| 23:20.51 | karsten | enouf: IPMI lets you do insanely useful stuff remotely on a computer like. ... |
| 23:20.58 | karsten | ... REBOOT THE MOTHERF*CKER |
| 23:21.06 | enouf | !bingo |
| 23:21.07 | dpkg | i heard bingo is his name-o |
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| 23:21.12 | enouf | hehe |
| 23:21.37 | karsten | I'm currently trying to figure out how to do that via ILOM's CLI w/o having to three-finger through the f*cking Java console emulator. |
| 23:21.52 | karsten | Which, I have to say, is Very Pretty so far as completely useless GUI crap goes. |
| 23:21.55 | enouf | ... i am a tad angry .. and the m*f*kers on the radio decide to play ... wait for it .... |
| 23:22.01 | enouf | eleanor rigby .. haha |
| 23:22.14 | karsten | enouf: Don't like that song? |
| 23:22.18 | enouf | talk about people who need to be sniped! |
| 23:22.22 | karsten | likes the string version of it. |
| 23:22.33 | enouf | not when ny mood is like this, .. emphatically - NO! |
| 23:22.38 | karsten | Heh. |
| 23:23.21 | kanon-mat | u need to hear the vanilla fudge version of eleanor rigby |
| 23:23.37 | enouf | you need to hear the sweet version of set me free |
| 23:23.50 | karsten | is currently whistling Eleanor Rigby under his breath. |
| 23:24.06 | karsten | enouf: Feeling a little lonely ATM? |
| 23:24.13 | enouf | starts breaking cellos |
| 23:24.19 | jpinx-eeepc | Lns: any luck yet? |
| 23:24.25 | kanon-mat | sweet glamrock, meh |
| 23:24.33 | karsten | enouf: What's the difference between a cello and a violin? |
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| 23:24.36 | enouf | karsten: to say the least ... and other things |
| 23:24.49 | karsten | enouf: Chellos burn longer. |
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| 23:24.53 | Lns | jpinx-eeepc: no, i've been lightly trying osme things here and there |
| 23:24.56 | enouf | karsten: the noise it makes when you kabong someone with it |
| 23:25.16 | enouf | karsten: the noise they make when you kabong someone with it ;-) |
| 23:25.41 | karsten | wonders if the antecedant of "they" is the chello, or the person being kabonged. |
| 23:25.47 | enouf | person .. sorry |
| 23:25.49 | karsten | s/chello/cello/ |
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| 23:26.11 | enouf | karsten: the noise _the_target makes when you kabong them with it ;-) |
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| 23:27.11 | karsten | enouf: Die |
| 23:27.29 | enouf | backs away from the semi-violent-sounding speech .. i can't even take robert plant's solo shit at this point .. ugh |
| 23:28.17 | karsten | puts Katrina and the Waves "I'm Walking on Sunshine" on infinite loop on enouf's amarok playlist. |
| 23:28.22 | Kazuha | wonders what I just walked in in the middle of. |
| 23:28.39 | karsten | Kazuha: Target practice. |
| 23:28.48 | karsten | Kazuha: .... and 1980s music flashbacks. |
| 23:28.49 | enouf | pleads to karsten for waterboarding ... |
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| 23:29.21 | karsten | enouf: I've got the entire Fox news and commentary team to work through first, you're just going to have to wait your turn. |
| 23:29.22 | enouf | karsten: it started with 1966! |
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| 23:29.39 | karsten | can thankfully say that *that* was before his time. |
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| 23:29.49 | enouf | heh |
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| 23:30.04 | Kazuha | puts "Kanashii ne" and "Teenage Walk" on enouf's playlist for the random 1980s Japanese songs. |
| 23:30.26 | karsten | Yay J-Pop! |
| 23:30.33 | Kazuha | (Partly because those are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.) |
| 23:31.17 | Zharf | redeems enouf and puts I KILL YOU by X JAPAN on that list |
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| 23:31.53 | karsten | Zharf: *HAPPY* music now. |
| 23:32.05 | karsten | Zharf: enouf is troubled, it seems. |
| 23:32.11 | Zharf | :( |
| 23:32.15 | Zharf | x japan is happy to me |
| 23:32.29 | enouf | fires up some Loudness to satisfy all these seemingly japanese Dependencie |
| 23:32.31 | enouf | s |
| 23:32.44 | tcp- | :o |
| 23:33.16 | tcp- | japs are weird |
| 23:33.23 | tcp- | jap-rap owns tho |
| 23:33.44 | Zharf | ew |
| 23:34.01 | Zharf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWKiBTrBPj4 still one of my favourites of all time |
| 23:34.02 | Kazuha | J-rap? Not exactly my favorite genre. |
| 23:34.06 | tcp- | I really cant understand why they stay seated in concerts/sports |
| 23:34.17 | tcp- | then they clap or say "OOOOOHHHH" |
| 23:34.26 | tcp- | it's funny :D |
| 23:34.46 | Kazuha | O_o; |
| 23:35.00 | Kazuha | I just had a flashback to the 1980s. |
| 23:35.20 | Kazuha | Then I thought about the computers of the time. |
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| 23:35.42 | tcp- | Kazuha: I wonder what it was like with the PDPs |
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| 23:35.53 | Kazuha | PDP? |
| 23:36.29 | Kazuha | What's a PDP? |
| 23:36.31 | tcp- | They're from the 70s, but I'm actually interested in seeing one running :( |
| 23:36.59 | Kazuha | is even more confused. |
| 23:37.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | waggles his eybrows at #debian-offtopic |
| 23:37.15 | tcp- | oh sorry :D |
| 23:37.36 | enouf | Aries' Lament ... |
| 23:37.49 | bluethundr | debian installer is saying I should use amd64 bit installer for a P4.. should I follow this advice? |
| 23:37.54 | enouf | er Ares' Lament ... |
| 23:38.17 | bluethundr | I was attempting to use i386 |
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| 23:38.27 | enouf | stupid fucken mplayer skips/pauses after i'm done seeking .. what a f*ken POS |
| 23:38.59 | enouf | nothing like having 150w per channel pop in and out every few seconds at random |
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| 23:39.46 | bluethundr | Kazuha: PDP was a series of DEC mainframe from the 70s that comp sci types still jizz about |
| 23:39.59 | jelly-home | enouf: #mplayer is ready for your patches |
| 23:40.01 | comradekingu | bluethundr: Depends on the model, pentium 4 could mean 32bit or 64bit. More likely to be a 64 bit capable one though |
| 23:40.12 | bluethundr | Kazuha: Bill Gates (curse his rotten soul) said a PDP-7 inspired him to go into the computer biz |
| 23:40.28 | enouf | OMFG ! |
| 23:40.37 | Kazuha | makes note about for things to destroy when time-traveling. |
| 23:40.58 | bluethundr | comradekingu: thanks. I'll give amd64 a try |
| 23:41.03 | enouf | jelly-home: i'm going to hook up the standalone STB cd player |
| 23:41.04 | Kazuha | adds all PDP-7s to that list. |
| 23:41.08 | tcp- | NO |
| 23:41.10 | tcp- | :( |
| 23:41.10 | bluethundr | things got a 40gb hard drive. enough for a mail server? |
| 23:41.38 | enouf | even after a cdda://3 designation - the f*ker still does it! ..... |
| 23:41.47 | Kazuha | tcp-: I was kidding. After all, without MSOS, where would the empire of stupidity be to topple? |
| 23:41.58 | bluethundr | conversely I have another with a 500 gb drive. considering that one for either backup/load balancing (combined) or yet another web server |
| 23:42.04 | jelly-home | bluethundr: traffic you expect? Small thousands of messages / day should work |
| 23:42.34 | bluethundr | site is due to alpha 5/12 so impossible to guess |
| 23:42.36 | comradekingu | bluethundr: Anything after 2004 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Pentium_4_microprocessors |
| 23:43.02 | bluethundr | I'm told "1,000 users a month" whatever the f* that's supposed to mean |
| 23:43.15 | bluethundr | all I know is I gotta build 3 servers - postfix, web, lb/backup |
| 23:43.16 | comradekingu | bluethundr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4 |
| 23:43.18 | jelly-home | bluethundr: that's 30 times less |
| 23:43.32 | tcp- | Kazuha: lol |
| 23:43.33 | jelly-home | possibly |
| 23:43.34 | tcp- | :) |
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| 23:44.04 | bluethundr | bows to comradekingu |
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| 23:46.07 | bluethundr | this is the machine I'm thinking of making into a mail server (with a 40gb hd) http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/dell-optiplex-gx620-desktop/4507-3118_7-31420314.html |
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| 23:47.20 | enouf | bah .. /me had been toying with ~/.mplayer/config files and options- the -cache 1024 fixes the buggy shit |
| 23:47.54 | enouf | GRAH@ |
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| 23:53.13 | jetscreamer | doesn't say nobody cares :p |
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| 23:56.05 | bilobil | a good mounting program for lenny?? |
| 23:56.23 | CoolCold | mount ? |
| 23:57.04 | bilobil | sorry |
| 23:57.05 | bilobil | iso |
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| 23:57.14 | jenzmon | still mount ? |
| 23:57.29 | jenzmon | man mount |
| 23:57.44 | bilobil | wha |
| 23:58.16 | kanon-mat | you mean automount? |
| 23:58.29 | bilobil | how can i mount iso cd |
| 23:58.31 | Conic | mount works for ISOs as well as physical disks. |
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| 23:58.40 | bilobil | i know Gmountiso |
| 23:58.48 | bilobil | but i cant find it for debian lenny |
| 23:58.57 | Conic | Right, don't listen to people who know what they're talking about. Sure. |
| 23:59.11 | Kazuha | mount -oloop <imagename> <mountpoint> |
| 23:59.24 | kanon-mat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:59.41 | bilobil | k |
| 23:59.53 | kanon-mat | or what lenny calls your cd |
