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| 00:00.28 | Kazuha | I think bilobil was talking about disk images. Not actual drives. |
| 00:00.38 | bilobil | yes |
| 00:00.40 | bilobil | yes |
| 00:00.41 | kanon-mat | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.41 | bilobil | :D |
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| 00:01.01 | bilobil | just the name or the path as well ?? |
| 00:01.20 | kanon-mat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:01.40 | liable | and yes, path for the iso too, unless its in your current dir |
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| 00:01.51 | bilobil | wait :) |
| 00:02.24 | kanon-mat | pauses channel for bilobil |
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| 00:05.03 | kanon-mat | presses play |
| 00:05.34 | bilobil | can't find C in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 00:06.35 | kanon-mat | is there an error message after your mount command? |
| 00:07.25 | bilobil | bash: CGeZeHo.iso: command not found |
| 00:07.32 | kanon-mat | isnt there anything in the folder where you tried to mount? |
| 00:07.43 | bilobil | wait |
| 00:08.26 | kanon-mat | mkdir tempmount; mount -o loop CGeZeHo.iso tempmount |
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| 00:09.55 | kanon-mat | then: cd tempmount ; ls -l |
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| 00:13.43 | Takatski | hey, I'm trying to get ps3 media server working, Apparently I need mencoder |
| 00:13.59 | Takatski | but its saying theres no installation candidate via apt-get |
| 00:14.33 | kanon-mat | no mencoder in debian multimedia? |
| 00:14.42 | Takatski | i have mplayer |
| 00:14.44 | Zharf | there is mencoder in debian multimedia |
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| 00:15.14 | Zharf | !tell Takatski -about dmm |
| 00:15.21 | izua | umm |
| 00:15.47 | izua | I need some help here. I have a bunch of programming assignments, all in pdf. some i'm supposed to debug, so i'm supposed to run. |
| 00:16.07 | izua | now, i've ran all of them through okular and kpdf, but I can't copy any text. |
| 00:16.20 | Takatski | thx |
| 00:16.35 | izua | overall they're like 60 or so pages of sourcecode. only 5 are due tommorow, but i'm not going to type 'em, wtf >< |
| 00:16.35 | Zharf | izua, maybe whoever made them made it in an image so it's not really text :) |
| 00:16.46 | izua | it is text. printed from ms word |
| 00:16.49 | Zharf | izua, try adobe |
| 00:16.51 | izua | apparently he enabled drm |
| 00:17.19 | Zharf | are they publicly available |
| 00:17.45 | izua | would i bug you if they were? |
| 00:17.45 | ajavid | ahhhh alright |
| 00:17.52 | ajavid | finally I am on debian again! whoo |
| 00:18.02 | Zharf | izua, can't see how that would matter :) |
| 00:18.12 | Zharf | izua, try that adobe |
| 00:18.19 | izua | i usually try to solve problems by myself.. |
| 00:18.27 | izua | that's why i said that :) |
| 00:18.29 | Zharf | kpdf and evince afaik use the same pdf engine, so that probably wouldn't help |
| 00:18.34 | micket | izua: the PDF printer rasterizes it. I believe the text is not unselectable. |
| 00:18.47 | micket | erh. *selectable |
| 00:18.58 | Zharf | micket, crappy printer :) |
| 00:19.04 | Zharf | oh well |
| 00:19.07 | Zharf | it's a printer |
| 00:19.15 | micket | Zharf: the default PDF printer thing in windows. |
| 00:19.24 | Zharf | ther'es a pdf printer in windows? |
| 00:19.24 | kanon-mat | maybe things like pdftk or xpdf-utils work |
| 00:19.27 | Zharf | by dfefault? |
| 00:20.06 | izua | I'm not running windows |
| 00:20.14 | izua | is windows free since march |
| 00:20.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm? |
| 00:20.35 | Zharf | izua, doesn't matter :) |
| 00:20.38 | micket | Zharf: hum.. well i'm not entirely sure, but it's the only one i've ever seen. |
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| 00:21.02 | Zharf | micket, there's pdfcreator which I've used in windows but it's certainly not there by default :) |
| 00:21.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | izua, pdftotext? |
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| 00:21.28 | izua | succesfully sput out garbage |
| 00:21.48 | Zharf | so then it's likely that it's not text but rasterized instead |
| 00:21.52 | micket | izua: sounds like you got yourself a bitmap. Zoom in and check the letters. |
| 00:22.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | pdf2ps and ps2ascii // ps2txt might also help |
| 00:22.14 | izua | it's not a bitmap, trust me. |
| 00:22.25 | Zharf | how can you be sure? |
| 00:22.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | izua, but if it's not text, but e.g. scanned images, nothing will |
| 00:22.27 | izua | letters are nice and curvy, can zoom very deep |
| 00:22.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | izua, well, see what pdfimage gives you |
| 00:22.44 | izua | 'cos i know how scanned pdfs look like |
| 00:23.12 | Zharf | maybe the "drm" is screwing it up then |
| 00:23.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also some bogus pdfs made by latex, where the character mappings are all garbled |
| 00:23.22 | Zharf | try that adobe reader already |
| 00:23.38 | izua | what package is pdf2ascii and adobe reader in? |
| 00:23.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which would produce the crap you get with pdf2text) |
| 00:23.52 | micket | Ok, another scenario, the letters have been converted to shapes. |
| 00:23.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and afaik there's nothing one can do about it |
| 00:24.02 | micket | izua: acroread |
| 00:24.05 | micket | non-free |
| 00:24.14 | Zharf | dmm(?) |
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| 00:25.53 | izua | what the hell did i do to this guy to deserve this? :( |
| 00:26.09 | izua | i thought i'm supposed to understand programming, not blindly type the stuff he typed. |
| 00:26.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | izua, you can unpack/uncompress the pdf with pdftk and see what's inside, too |
| 00:26.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | what code is it? |
| 00:26.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | google for it :) |
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| 00:27.30 | Zarathust | i changed my wifi card |
| 00:27.36 | Zarathust | however my old driver still loads |
| 00:27.40 | Zarathust | how can i remove it |
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| 00:28.21 | Zharf | first program I ever "wrote" was a direct copy from a paper copy of a program |
| 00:28.23 | Zharf | :) |
| 00:28.34 | Zharf | I never got it working :/ |
| 00:28.52 | izua | CutMeOwnThroat: neah, he wrote the whole thing |
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| 00:29.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | if none of what I suggested shows you some of the code, I think you can give up on it |
| 00:29.36 | micket | Zarathust: you mean to stop loading the module? check /etc/modules |
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| 00:30.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !blacklist |
| 00:30.17 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. |
| 00:30.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zarathust, ^^^ |
| 00:31.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | micket, you normally don't touch /etc/modules yourself in Debian |
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| 00:31.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | (the file itself tells you not to, actually) |
| 00:31.31 | izua | hmm |
| 00:31.35 | izua | now pdf2text works. somehow. |
| 00:31.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 00:31.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was /etc/modules.conf I meant :) |
| 00:31.48 | izua | i get all the text in one line, garbled with a lot of ^n characters |
| 00:31.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | you do touch /etc/modules :) |
| 00:32.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | (but to add stuff, not to blacklist it) |
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| 00:32.43 | Zarathust | isnt this weird behavior? |
| 00:32.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | izua, well, I suggested at least 3 other things... |
| 00:33.01 | Zarathust | like, you install a driver, but to uninstall it just mention in a file that it shouldnt load? |
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| 00:33.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 00:34.23 | Lagbolt | can anyone give me a reco on an nvidia vid card for some gaming in linux ..$150 range? |
| 00:34.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | how should the system know... |
| 00:34.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially in initramfs |
| 00:35.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | #hardware? |
| 00:35.12 | ajavid | exim4 in sid is broken |
| 00:35.26 | Zarathust | so if i download the .ko is the hell gonna break lose? |
| 00:35.38 | Zarathust | in this case my driver was rt2860sta.ko |
| 00:35.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zarathust, you don't donload kernel modules |
| 00:35.41 | ajavid | it doesn't process the config file |
| 00:35.48 | ajavid | so the installation fails |
| 00:35.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/don/down/ |
| 00:36.19 | ajavid | Setting up exim4-config (4.69-10) ... |
| 00:36.19 | ajavid | sed: -e expression #1, char 2: delimiter character is not a single-byte character |
| 00:36.30 | ajavid | Errors were encountered while processing: exim4-config |
| 00:36.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it's sid? |
| 00:36.40 | ajavid | fantastic :) |
| 00:36.59 | ajavid | I am on cli, need to install the browser and check out bugs on this |
| 00:37.07 | ajavid | see if its been reported yet or I need to make a report |
| 00:37.28 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, unless you wanna see if its reported, check bts for exim4-config ? |
| 00:37.34 | ajavid | would ya ? be a dear |
| 00:37.36 | ajavid | ;) |
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| 00:37.48 | Takatski | Uhm, I'm having trouble updating to JRE v6, any hints? I don't see any packages :/ |
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| 00:37.56 | ajavid | Takatski, nonfree |
| 00:38.01 | ajavid | !tell Takatski -about non-free |
| 00:38.10 | Takatski | I have my non-free repos open though |
| 00:38.13 | micket | ajavid: it's reported. |
| 00:38.17 | ajavid | micket, thank you |
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| 00:38.34 | ajavid | Takatski, sun-java6-jre/bin/plugin etc. |
| 00:38.45 | ajavid | Takatski, what command you are using nto install it, and what is the output? |
| 00:39.00 | micket | ajavid: there is a fix, you want it? |
| 00:39.05 | ajavid | micket, nah |
| 00:39.08 | ajavid | I use nullmailer anyway |
| 00:39.29 | ajavid | I just installed sid so I encountered this so I was wondering if its reported or not |
| 00:39.36 | Takatski | i just did apt-get install sun-java6-jre |
| 00:39.45 | ajavid | Takatski, and? |
| 00:39.48 | Takatski | thats all I've done, figured that was sufficient |
| 00:39.49 | Takatski | it installed |
| 00:40.02 | Takatski | but my java version is still gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.3.2 |
| 00:40.08 | ajavid | Takatski, 1) use aptitude over apt-get, its much better for dependcy resolution |
| 00:40.10 | ajavid | Takatski, simple |
| 00:40.25 | ajavid | Takatski, as root/sudo, update-alternatives --config java |
| 00:40.28 | ajavid | chose sun's jre |
| 00:40.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, reportbug will walk you through existing bug reports |
| 00:40.54 | Takatski | kk thanks |
| 00:40.55 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, ahh nice, I haven't messed around in it to much besides reporting some bugs |
| 00:41.08 | Takatski | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, and btw. you probably want apt-listbugs for sid packages |
| 00:41.16 | ajavid | Takatski, I said as root or as sudo |
| 00:41.26 | Takatski | good point, my bad |
| 00:41.26 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, and apt-listchanges too :) |
| 00:41.32 | Zharf | pft |
| 00:41.45 | Zharf | apt-listbugs only annoyed me when I used it |
| 00:41.54 | Zharf | been using sid for a couple of years since :) |
| 00:42.04 | ajavid | Zharf, it has saved me from getting a broken system a few times |
| 00:42.15 | Takatski | hmm didn't help, still can't display this program |
| 00:42.19 | ajavid | if the bug is really bad, I just get the testing package instead |
| 00:42.27 | Zharf | ajavid, I love broken sytems |
| 00:42.28 | ajavid | Takatski, which program? |
| 00:42.29 | Zharf | +s |
| 00:42.37 | ajavid | !wayttd Takatski |
| 00:42.38 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Takatski? |
| 00:42.39 | Takatski | ps3 media server |
| 00:42.47 | Zharf | ajavid, I tend to get bored really easily, fixing things like that aren't so boriing |
| 00:42.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zharf, I can see why apt-listbugs would annoy you, then |
| 00:42.55 | Takatski | I'm trying to install a media server that will transcode |
| 00:43.04 | Takatski | so I can watch anime on my ps3 ^^ |
| 00:43.05 | ajavid | Takatski, its a Java application? |
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| 00:43.10 | Takatski | Yah |
| 00:43.20 | ajavid | and what is the error message if any? |
| 00:43.24 | Zharf | Takatski, why would you want to do that, transcode means lower quality |
| 00:43.36 | ajavid | you have a jre, you type java -version and you get your java sun's, fine, now you run your app, and what? |
| 00:43.38 | Zharf | Takatski, or is your box incapable of playing 720p? |
| 00:43.38 | Takatski | :| suddenly it works |
| 00:43.47 | ajavid | ok fantasticular |
| 00:43.53 | Takatski | Zharf, its mkv |
| 00:43.58 | Takatski | needs to be transcoded for ps3 |
| 00:43.58 | Zharf | Takatski, so? |
| 00:44.07 | Zharf | Takatski, but why play it on the ps3? |
| 00:44.12 | Takatski | To play on the TV |
| 00:44.13 | ajavid | Zharf, cuz he wants to. |
| 00:44.22 | ajavid | let him fuck with his toys dude |
| 00:44.23 | Zharf | ajavid, with lower quality :) |
| 00:44.25 | ajavid | don't spoil his fun. |
| 00:44.29 | Takatski | Don't have hdmi |
| 00:44.33 | Takatski | on this laptop |
| 00:44.38 | micket | Zharf: he payed good money for that PS3!!! |
| 00:44.43 | Zharf | micket, I did too! |
| 00:44.49 | Takatski | thus VGA = loss quality too |
| 00:44.52 | Zharf | but I don't ruin my videos wiht transcode :) |
| 00:45.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | micket, how do you know? it might have been bad money, drug money or washed money |
| 00:45.09 | micket | Zharf: Really? Lets play! psn: micketeer |
| 00:45.12 | Takatski | so, I choose to stream instead |
| 00:45.27 | Takatski | well, thanks ajavid |
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| 00:45.39 | micket | CutMeOwnThroat: Well he's using linux, so he should be on the good side. |
| 00:45.41 | Zharf | micket, do you even have any games that I would have :) |
| 00:45.48 | Zharf | mainly, rock band 2 |
| 00:45.51 | Zharf | :) |
| 00:46.03 | Zharf | micket, I'm not at home right now though |
| 00:46.12 | ajavid | wtf is r ock band 2 |
| 00:46.18 | Zharf | a game |
| 00:46.20 | ajavid | is like guitar hero? |
| 00:46.36 | Zharf | same developer as for gh1&2, kind of like GH but not quite |
| 00:46.46 | ajavid | sigh |
| 00:46.56 | ajavid | mind numbing time wasting crapola |
| 00:47.02 | ajavid | yet heavily entertaining |
| 00:47.02 | micket | Zharf: Ack! One i dont have. Well i never really play alot, but I have a whole bunch of games though (around 30 or so). |
| 00:47.06 | ajavid | double edged sword |
| 00:47.16 | ajavid | its fun, but it melts your brain |
| 00:47.18 | ajavid | what to do! |
| 00:47.20 | Zharf | ajavid, the drums part is a lot of fun |
| 00:47.22 | ajavid | have fun, or have melted brain |
| 00:47.35 | ajavid | I go with fun, without melted brain |
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| 00:47.36 | micket | *or* ? |
| 00:47.46 | ajavid | that includes not videogaming |
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| 00:48.09 | ajavid | I read technical docs for fun |
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| 00:48.12 | ajavid | :D |
| 00:48.12 | Zharf | sorry, my brain doesn't melt from playing RB |
| 00:48.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I sometimes do slow-blinking exercises! |
| 00:48.40 | micket | ajavid: of course, technology is exciting. |
| 00:48.45 | Zharf | I also play the guitar for fun (actually halfseriously) |
| 00:48.55 | Zharf | (a real guitar, not GH :p) |
| 00:49.25 | Zharf | I also play Go!, which is not a cause of brain melting! |
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| 00:49.56 | ajavid | join #music |
| 00:50.00 | Zharf | why :/ |
| 00:50.03 | ajavid | cuz |
| 00:50.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pal ajavid |
| 00:50.06 | dpkg | points at ajavid and laughs hysterically |
| 00:50.08 | ajavid | why not? |
| 00:50.11 | Zharf | I think I've reached the max number of channels on freenode |
| 00:50.16 | jakuub | ;] |
| 00:50.24 | jakuub | how many |
| 00:50.27 | ajavid | http://www.youtube.com/bungnugget |
| 00:50.27 | Zharf | 20 |
| 00:50.29 | ajavid | thats my channel |
| 00:50.39 | ajavid | I've been playing guitar 4 more years than your total age ;) |
| 00:50.43 | ajavid | enjoy |
| 00:50.49 | ajavid | we hang out in #music, if you care to join us |
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| 00:50.52 | Zharf | ajavid, 29 years? cool! |
| 00:50.55 | ajavid | lots of musicians, chatters, etc. etc. |
| 00:50.57 | ajavid | I'm 28 |
| 00:51.00 | Zharf | :p |
| 00:51.03 | Zharf | I'm 25.. |
| 00:51.04 | ajavid | been playing 24 years, you said you were 20 |
| 00:51.06 | ajavid | oh nm |
| 00:51.11 | ajavid | oh 20 max chans |
| 00:51.13 | ajavid | I see |
| 00:51.15 | Zharf | :p |
| 00:51.37 | Zharf | I played keyboards from around age 6ish |
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| 00:51.51 | Zharf | till I found programming.. |
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| 00:52.58 | Zharf | I should sleep... it's 4am again... |
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| 01:08.00 | phobos_anomaly | Anyone have any experience with sudo problems? |
| 01:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:12.17 | phobos_anomaly | CutMeOwnThroat: Ok, how about this: Does anyone have any experience fixing this issue sudo:?can't?open?/etc/sudoers:?Permission?denied |
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| 01:13.08 | halflife08 | phobos_anomaly: are you trying to open the file as non-root user ? |
| 01:13.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does ls -la /usr/bin/sudo show? |
| 01:13.38 | phobos_anomaly | halflife08: no, that error occurs whenever I'm trying to do something with sudo such as sudo aptitude update |
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| 01:14.18 | phobos_anomaly | CutMeOwnThroat: |
| 01:14.20 | phobos_anomaly | ls -la /usr/bin/sudo |
| 01:14.21 | phobos_anomaly | -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 123636 2009-03-28 15:17 /usr/bin/sudo |
| 01:14.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that's ok |
| 01:14.44 | halflife08 | phobos_anomaly: ls -l /etc/sudoers ? |
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| 01:15.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | just the 1 line of response |
| 01:15.04 | pipegeek | where would I look (besides the debian changelog) to find out why a package hasn't made it out of experimental yet? |
| 01:15.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | pipegeek, bts |
| 01:15.20 | phobos_anomaly | halflife08: Permission denied. |
| 01:15.29 | pipegeek | In particular, I'm curious as to why kvm in sid is so old |
| 01:15.34 | phobos_anomaly | anything to do with the sudo file, I get denied on. |
| 01:15.36 | pipegeek | CutMeOwnThroat: righto, off I go |
| 01:15.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | phobos_anomaly, ls -ld /etc then |
| 01:16.12 | phobos_anomaly | CutMeOwnThroat: drwxr-xr-x 114 root root 12288 2009-05-08 11:35 /etc |
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| 01:16.39 | halflife08 | phobos_anomaly: can you become root user on the box ? |
| 01:16.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | pipegeek, and apt-cache show package (look for the one in experimental), search for the dependencies |
| 01:17.01 | asg | phobos_anomaly: can you run 'sudo -l'? can you run the same as root? |
| 01:17.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | phobos_anomaly, huh... corrupted file system? |
| 01:17.30 | phobos_anomaly | halflife08: I can, and already have. I've tried editing the sudo file again, also edited the group file |
| 01:17.31 | ajavid | phobos_anomaly, I played with you yesterday. |
| 01:17.38 | ajavid | phobos_anomaly, you were very challenging. |
| 01:17.41 | phobos_anomaly | CutMeOwnThroat: could be, but thought I'd check |
| 01:17.48 | phobos_anomaly | and see if anyone had this happen to them before |
| 01:18.01 | halflife08 | phobos_anomaly: as root ls -l /etc/sudoers what does that show |
| 01:18.06 | asg | phobos_anomaly: what is the output of 'lsattr /etc/sudoers' |
| 01:18.35 | phobos_anomaly | halflife08: -r--r----- 1 root root 502 2009-05-08 19:17 /etc/sudoers |
| 01:19.14 | phobos_anomaly | asg: -----------------e- /etc/sudoers |
| 01:19.39 | asg | hmmm, that is odd and "I'm cuttin me own throat" |
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| 01:19.54 | pipegeek | CutMeOwnThroat: >_< d'oh. I feel foolish |
| 01:19.56 | pipegeek | thanks |
| 01:19.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh! don't you dare sell sausages inna bun |
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| 01:20.16 | asg | CutMeOwnThroat: wouldn't dare |
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| 01:21.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | pipegeek, yeah, pretty often it's a required lib with serious bugs stopping everything |
| 01:22.00 | pipegeek | CutMeOwnThroat: Wait... actually, the only missing dependency as far as I can tell is libgnutls26 >= 2.5.9-0, which is already in sid |
| 01:22.02 | asg | phobos_anomaly: what filesystem is /etc on? |
| 01:22.15 | phobos_anomaly | asg: ext4 |
| 01:22.29 | phobos_anomaly | I've already ran it through an fsck |
| 01:22.33 | asg | hmmm |
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| 01:22.46 | phobos_anomaly | prolly gonna have to format and reinstall at some point |
| 01:22.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | phobos_anomaly, well, can root read /etc/sudoers? |
| 01:23.16 | phobos_anomaly | CutMeOwnThroat: root can read the file, its just that no other user can |
| 01:23.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | phobos_anomaly, hm, got /usr on a separate partition? |
| 01:23.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does mount |grep /usr give you? |
| 01:23.36 | phobos_anomaly | CutMeOwnThroat: Nope, /usr is on the same particion |
| 01:23.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh |
| 01:23.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | but su works? |
| 01:23.52 | phobos_anomaly | yeah |
| 01:24.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean there's one remaining thing I didn't bring up and that's that the partition could be mounted nosuid |
| 01:24.04 | phobos_anomaly | I've already been in the sudo file to make sure I was listed |
| 01:24.12 | phobos_anomaly | hmmm |
| 01:24.16 | asg | phobos_anomaly: and you don't have any crazy acl config on that filesystem? |
| 01:24.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if they're both on /, that can't be it |
| 01:24.45 | phobos_anomaly | asg: nope, the only thing I have for it is barrier=0 |
| 01:25.03 | phobos_anomaly | Its supposed to help in the event of a power outage |
| 01:25.11 | phobos_anomaly | according to some page on wiki |
| 01:25.16 | phobos_anomaly | but I removed that this morning |
| 01:25.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you got hacked and someone installed a rootkit with a faulty sudo :) |
| 01:25.45 | phobos_anomaly | lol could be... guess they really wanted access to my 80's music collection |
| 01:25.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | sudo runs as root, so if root can read the file, so should sudo |
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| 01:26.30 | phobos_anomaly | Thats what I can't figure out. I'm set in sudoers, I'm set correctly as far as I know in the group permissions |
| 01:26.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you get "Permission denied" that's all not the point |
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| 01:27.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | sudo is setuid root, so you shouldn't get that |
| 01:27.31 | cockroach | is there a way to disable/enable individual sysrq keys? it seems i can do pretty much anything except 'b'. |
| 01:28.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, no idea |
| 01:28.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | lets see what dpkg says |
| 01:28.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sysrq |
| 01:28.18 | dpkg | somebody said sysrq was Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt See also <sysrqd>. |
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| 01:28.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | !factinfo sysrq |
| 01:28.38 | dpkg | sysrq -- last modified at Sat Apr 25 03:33:37 2009 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@gsimmons.org; it has been requested 50 times, last by CutMeOwnThroat, 20s ago. |
| 01:28.52 | ajavid | dude |
| 01:28.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's actually recent |
| 01:28.58 | ajavid | gene simmons was here! |
| 01:29.02 | ajavid | no shit!! |
| 01:29.03 | ajavid | ;) |
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| 01:32.28 | phobos_anomaly | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh well, I'll live with it for now. Thanks for your help. |
| 01:32.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | np |
| 01:33.11 | halflife08 | phobos_anomaly: do you have an strace output ? just curious |
| 01:33.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's setuid |
| 01:33.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | only root can strace it, and that's a bit pointless |
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| 01:34.41 | halflife08 | doh! smacks self |
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| 01:35.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I also wanted to suggest it :) |
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| 01:40.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | although, if he CAN strace it, that shows that the suid bit is ignored |
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| 01:41.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | phobos_anomaly, I guess root can use sudo? |
| 01:41.20 | phobos_anomaly | I dunno, i'll try it real quick |
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| 01:41.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, use su |
| 01:41.47 | phobos_anomaly | Nope, permission denied for root |
| 01:41.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, then you can strace it :) |
| 01:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 01:42.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is still maybe not so useful |
| 01:42.46 | phobos_anomaly | sure wouldn't hurt to try |
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| 01:43.06 | unixluser | cuz ur mom's a ho |
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| 01:43.24 | unixluser | um, wrong buffer |
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| 01:44.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | if I were you, I'd be SO embarrassed now |
| 01:44.10 | phobos_anomaly | lol |
| 01:45.44 | unixluser_ | his mother operates in the redlight district of Amsterdam |
| 01:45.44 | unixluser_ | i'm dead serious |
| 01:45.44 | unixluser_ | but again, wrong chan |
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| 01:45.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing wrong with it, though, is there? |
| 01:45.45 | djz | hey how do i get /usr/bin/php in debian? |
| 01:45.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | djz, /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 01:46.09 | phobos_anomaly | CutMeOwnThroat: Didn't generate much useful, but heres the output for anyone that wants to take a peek http://pastebin.com/m6a741c09 |
| 01:46.27 | djz | CutMeOwnThroat i have php5 but not the executable :p |
| 01:46.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | djz, and apt file will tell you where it is |
| 01:47.00 | jmarsden | djz: apt-get install php5-cli |
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| 01:47.22 | djz | thanks |
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| 01:47.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !fire |
| 01:47.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, fire is "Give a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day; Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life" |
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| 01:58.48 | unixluser_ | any of you familiar with .markdown? I have an image as , but i want it to be clickable to be sent to a different url. is this possible? |
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| 02:03.19 | enouf | what a dump |
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| 02:04.53 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: apt-file, not apt file |
| 02:05.31 | enouf | oh - sorry - missed your earlier factoid which was correct |
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| 02:31.10 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 02:31.10 | dpkg | <jethro> SerajewelKS: but I'd bame idiocy rather than unstable |
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| 02:38.36 | psilikon | does debian have a file where I can add the name of a module I do not want loaded at boot? |
| 02:38.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !blacklist |
| 02:38.50 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. |
| 02:39.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | try that 1st, but according to your question you want /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
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| 02:44.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | so strange, I still keep losing the ssh connection over wireless, although sshd_config has TCPKeepAlive yes and the connection doesn't break down |
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| 02:46.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | and ClientAliveInterval 200 |
| 02:46.20 | halflife08 | CutMeOwnThroat: router problem or firewall rule of dropping connections that are idle for a while ? |
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| 02:47.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | but a ssh with keepalive shouldn't be idle |
| 02:47.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the point of the option |
| 02:47.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps the interval is too big |
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| 02:49.44 | elik | did Aptitude commit suicide on Squeeze lately? |
| 02:50.25 | halflife08 | elik: just works fine what is the problem ? |
| 02:50.26 | unop | aptitude built my squeeze |
| 02:50.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually rather often ssh doesn't really die - it just takes beween half a minute and some minutes until it reacts |
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| 02:50.46 | d-b | check your dns. |
| 02:50.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which is not much better than dying) |
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| 02:50.53 | d-b | its probably dns. |
| 02:51.03 | elik | halflife08, it got deinstalled on both my squeeze computers |
| 02:51.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? that's an existing connection, how should dns do anything?s |
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| 02:51.21 | elik | and I didn't do it |
| 02:51.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... do aptitude why-not aptitude.... errr :) |
| 02:51.55 | d-b | CutMeOwnThroat: ah i thought you were talking about problems connecting. it might be worth checking. if its 'dropping' it will try to reconnect. |
| 02:52.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dropping?s |
| 02:52.40 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat, Unable to find a reason to remove aptitude. |
| 02:52.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh! how can you run that?s |
| 02:53.10 | bpun | ok i have this slu2... i installed debian arm on it quite a while ago.. lenny was setup on it.. (the usb drive was 2g and want to replace it with a 320g drive)-- i rather have the 320g drive replacing it so i used find /mnt/2g | cpio -Bpdumv . (on /mnt/320g) .. would redboot work? |
| 02:54.11 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat, dunno, it sounded cool to try |
| 02:54.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | you still need a new boot-sector |
| 02:54.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | elik, how can you run aptitude if it's missing? |
| 02:54.39 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat, I did reinstall it |
| 02:54.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | then it's not missing anymore! |
| 02:54.59 | elik | no |
| 02:55.05 | elik | but it still got removed for some reason |
| 02:55.12 | elik | And I'm trying to find it why/when |
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| 02:56.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it was just tired of the messed-up dependencies on your machine |
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| 02:58.30 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat, that's what I was thinking... |
| 02:58.39 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat, but I don't fuck with dependencies so much anymore |
| 02:58.42 | elik | or pinning |
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| 02:59.02 | elik | hum.. whatever |
| 02:59.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | pinning works a treat on butterflies :) |
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| 02:59.52 | elik | so, what does the package manager use anyway? (apt-get or aptitude?) |
| 03:00.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 03:00.30 | bpun | elik, dpkg |
| 03:00.35 | bpun | elik, the dpkg database.. |
| 03:00.36 | elik | bpun, ah, ok |
| 03:00.41 | bpun | elik, that all use the dpkg libraries |
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| 03:00.51 | elik | bpun, so it does its own conflict resolution? |
| 03:01.01 | elik | the "smart upgrade" |
| 03:01.01 | bpun | elik, resolving is done by apt |
| 03:01.10 | elik | ah, k |
| 03:01.16 | bpun | elik, and aptitude (apt and aptitude are separate apps-- choose one) |
| 03:01.40 | bpun | elik, the "dpkg" command does not do package dependency check.. |
| 03:01.48 | elik | bpun, right |
| 03:02.04 | bpun | elik, but they all query the same dpkg (/var/lib) database to see what .debs are installed |
| 03:02.05 | darcknight | good morning people... i am installing lenny xfce in a virtual box. i have a pppoe connection so i issued a module=ppp-udeb. but durin the install the installer says it cannot find any ethernet concentrators... |
| 03:02.29 | elik | bpun, but I was wondering what the update manager used for resolving dpendencies? apt, aptitude or it does it itself? |
| 03:03.16 | bpun | elik, if it's synaptic, then it uses apt.. |
| 03:03.29 | bpun | elik, i dont use graphical ends.. i always use console |
| 03:03.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | bpun, not true... dpkg does check dependencies, it just doesn't resolve them |
| 03:04.01 | elik | bpun, I do too, most of the time, except it still pops up when updates are due |
| 03:04.15 | bpun | CutMeOwnThroat, well u got my lingo :)... |
| 03:04.39 | bpun | elik, there's daemon that can be turned off.. |
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| 03:05.03 | bpun | just check anything with "up" in the list of daemons.. |
| 03:05.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | dances the limbo |
| 03:05.47 | enouf | here elik http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/images/apt-files-diagram.png enjoy |
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| 03:06.25 | elik | enouf, woohoo, quite a mess :) |
| 03:06.40 | elik | but very pertinent, thx |
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| 03:07.57 | enouf | that's not me/mine - so visit the author's site and thank them |
| 03:08.01 | darcknight | anyone???? |
| 03:08.41 | enouf | module=anything == wrong , AFAIK |
| 03:09.28 | darcknight | but it runs fine under hardy... |
| 03:09.30 | enouf | use expert mode, or pass ppp-udeb.params=N or somethjing |
| 03:09.49 | darcknight | or is it becuse hardy is connected to the net??? |
| 03:09.52 | enouf | !be a enouf barbie |
| 03:09.53 | dpkg | Aww, enouf is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 03:10.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | o_0 |
| 03:10.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | urgh |
| 03:10.28 | enouf | see the Boot Parameters section of the installation guide |
| 03:10.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | get a vacuum cleaner |
| 03:10.44 | darcknight | ok enouf will do that |
| 03:11.35 | enouf | [22:50:33] <ootput> ignore enouf - he's almost always psychotic ;) |
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| 03:18.55 | pipegeek | haha |
| 03:19.50 | balaa | whats the best instant messaging client for linux? |
| 03:19.59 | sepult | perl |
| 03:20.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | define 'best' and 'instant messaging' ;) |
| 03:20.17 | pipegeek | hahaha |
| 03:20.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o ( instant massaging ) |
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| 03:21.01 | balaa | something i can use my AIM account with |
| 03:21.13 | pipegeek | balaa: in terms of a graphical client, your option is pretty much pidgin at the moment (or kopete if you're using kde). Pidgin hasn't really improved since I was a junior |
| 03:21.16 | balaa | ive used kopete in the past |
| 03:21.20 | pipegeek | but empathy looks promising |
| 03:21.32 | pipegeek | there are some cool command line clients |
| 03:21.34 | pipegeek | like pork |
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| 03:21.58 | jpinx | balaa: pidgin |
| 03:22.15 | jpinx | balaa: depends on what you need it to do |
| 03:22.49 | balaa | any of them support video chat |
| 03:23.14 | jpinx | aim has video balaa ? |
| 03:23.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't ekiga2 have messaging integrated?s |
| 03:23.48 | jpinx | if you want a gnome thing |
| 03:24.06 | jpinx | skype has messaging and video |
| 03:24.18 | jpinx | so does yahoo and msn messengers |
| 03:24.21 | jpinx | *do |
| 03:24.29 | balaa | have you guys checked out the screen profiles package that came out with the new ubuntu? |
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| 03:24.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | is happy with his .screenrc |
| 03:25.12 | jpinx | kicks balaa for mentioning the U word |
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| 03:26.22 | jpinx | balaa: you never told me if AIM does video? |
| 03:26.48 | TiMiDo | hey how do i list the wireless connections available? |
| 03:27.13 | jpinx | try wicd TiMiDo ? |
| 03:27.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | iwscan list ? |
| 03:27.44 | balaa | jpinx: you're right no video on AIM |
| 03:28.28 | jpinx | balaa: there are packages available for msn with cam, yahoo with cam, VoIP with video |
| 03:28.39 | jpinx | take your pick |
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| 03:31.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | TiMiDo, there's also swscanner |
| 03:31.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, wicd?s |
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| 03:36.09 | bpun_ | anyone familiar with redboot? |
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| 03:37.09 | TiMiDo | hmmm |
| 03:37.14 | TiMiDo | well my wlan0 is not responding |
| 03:37.16 | TiMiDo | that's odd |
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| 03:39.29 | hark | how is it not responding? |
| 03:40.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hello wlan... hello? heeelo?! |
| 03:40.55 | hark | oh scanning |
| 03:43.05 | TiMiDo | wlan0 Unknown ndiswrapper (MONITOR MODE NOT SUPPORTED) |
| 03:43.08 | TiMiDo | is that good? |
| 03:43.09 | TiMiDo | or bad? |
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| 03:45.21 | hark | where did you get that output from? do an iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 03:45.28 | Hendel | good night |
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| 03:46.45 | hark | TiMiDo: also, what does lspci -nn say about your wireless card? |
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| 03:49.03 | lamdk | can you use alt as the screen modifier key |
| 03:49.18 | lamdk | i know u can rebind C-a to another key |
| 03:51.16 | PingFloyd | lamdk: you can change the bindings |
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| 03:53.30 | WormFood | jesus fuckin' christ! every god damn time I turn around iceweasel is crashing on me! :( that fuckin' shit must have crashed at least 15 times on me today. (and I'm less than 3 hours into my day) |
| 03:53.39 | lamdk | like i have escape ^Zz in my .screenrc |
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| 03:53.48 | lamdk | is there a symbol for alt? |
| 03:53.49 | benschwarz | Hey folks |
| 03:53.50 | Guerin | WormFood: uninstall flash and java |
| 03:54.02 | benschwarz | is there a way to shell script a bootstrap / simple install for debian? |
| 03:54.16 | Guerin | !wayttd benschwarz |
| 03:54.17 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, benschwarz? |
| 03:54.17 | WormFood | Guerin, nice try, but I run noscript, so that fuckin' garbage isn't running (flash has made the web almost unusable) |
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| 03:54.37 | Guerin | WormFood: if it's installed, it's running. noscript just stops it from displaying. |
| 03:54.40 | ajavid | Guerin, yo |
| 03:54.54 | WormFood | no Guerin, it stops it from running |
| 03:55.00 | Guerin | ajavid: ayup |
| 03:55.15 | WormFood | it is not like java/flash i running in the background, and not displaying....it is simply not running |
| 03:55.38 | ajavid | Guerin, I'm trying to not use KDE. What are you upto? |
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| 03:55.47 | Guerin | ajavid: i'm trying not to work. |
| 03:55.58 | bpun_ | anyone expert in slu2? i did cpio to a larger hard disk.. not sure what else to do (mkswap is on 1st partition, using same default partition map).. anyone ?/ |
| 03:55.58 | ajavid | I just setup a new system with xfce4 |
| 03:56.13 | ajavid | I dunno |
| 03:56.20 | TiMiDo | darkplanet kernel: [81389.644051] unregister_netdevice: waiting for wlan0 to become free. Usage count = 3 |
| 03:56.23 | TiMiDo | is this an error? |
| 03:57.42 | Guerin | WormFood: regardless of whether they're in use or not, crash and java cause IW to do Fucked Up Things. Nuke 'em and be happy. |
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| 03:58.18 | WormFood | Guerin, that is not an acceptable answer |
| 03:58.33 | WormFood | this shit is crashing, and I'm not even on pages with flash and java |
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| 03:59.00 | Guerin | WormFood: the purpose of hashdweebian isn't to give what you consider to be acceptable answers |
| 03:59.13 | Guerin | WormFood: i recommend you complain to #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
| 03:59.31 | benschwarz | Guerin: I want to quickly install debian to vmware hosts |
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| 03:59.56 | Guerin | benschwarz: best off using an image for that purpose. |
| 04:00.09 | WormFood | Guerin, I seriously doubt the mozilla developers are gonna support debian's modified, and rebranded version of mozilla |
| 04:00.54 | Guerin | WormFood: indeed. As we don't support adobe and sun's broken plugins. |
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| 04:01.06 | Guerin | so you could complain to adobe and sun |
| 04:01.21 | Guerin | but i figure mozilla would be marginally less futile |
| 04:01.32 | WormFood | I have yet to see anything that would suggest it is flash or java that is the root of my problems |
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| 04:02.10 | Guerin | WormFood: except for me telling you that it is, from my experience. |
| 04:02.13 | WormFood | I did notice after I installed noscript, not only was my browsing much faster, but it uses less cpu power, and crashes less |
| 04:02.28 | Guerin | now, you can choose to ignore that if you like - but that's my experience |
| 04:02.32 | ajavid | WormFood, ya think |
| 04:02.55 | ajavid | all those crazy javascript heavy sites with tons of scripts, ad scripts, etc. running bogging your browser down' |
| 04:03.00 | ajavid | noscript kicks ass |
| 04:06.21 | ajavid | !ping |
| 04:06.31 | ajavid | uhm |
| 04:06.36 | ajavid | !hi |
| 04:06.37 | dpkg | hello, ajavid |
| 04:07.47 | PingFloyd | WormFood: newsflash: flash, java, and javascript are shit |
| 04:08.02 | PingFloyd | WormFood: you must've missed that memo back in 1997 |
| 04:08.09 | nsadmin | they make certain things easy tho |
| 04:08.21 | WormFood | jesus fuckin' christ PingFloyd, I KNOW THAT, AND I HAVE BEEN SAYING THEY ARE SHIT FOR YEARS!!! |
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| 04:08.36 | nsadmin | javascript that is |
| 04:09.01 | PingFloyd | WormFood: then why do you think it is the browser, though I somewhat agree that firefox needs some serious fixing too |
| 04:09.32 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.38 | nsadmin | as far as flash... I like my youtube :P |
| 04:10.09 | PingFloyd | nsadmin: would be nicer if it didn't require flash though |
| 04:10.37 | WormFood | I enable flash on a site-by-site basis, and rarely just enable....I usually just enable it until I restart mozilla |
| 04:10.43 | PingFloyd | nsadmin: they couldn't just merely just put the videos there to download |
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| 04:10.56 | ajavid | WormFood, *sigh* |
| 04:11.00 | Guerin | nsadmin: clive > flash for youtube |
| 04:11.01 | ajavid | WormFood, use flashblock. |
| 04:11.08 | PingFloyd | WormFood: yeah, I run noscript too when I endure firefox/iceweasel |
| 04:11.10 | nsadmin | not sure about the internals and all... but I like when they drop the video in my temp dir so I can pick it up |
| 04:11.10 | ajavid | when you need to view flash, click a button, enable it. |
| 04:11.23 | ajavid | flashblock, noscript, adblock plus, removeITpermanently |
| 04:11.29 | nsadmin | you're right, that would have been nice |
| 04:11.31 | ajavid | plus a good hosts file |
| 04:11.33 | nsadmin | r |
| 04:11.40 | ajavid | my hosts file is 600kb |
| 04:11.42 | TiMiDo | how can i disable this Ndiswrapper doesn't support monitor mode. |
| 04:12.20 | ajavid | -rw-r--r-- 1 ajavid ajavid 550K 2009-05-08 23:12 hosts |
| 04:12.55 | PingFloyd | nsadmin: you know, like the old fashioned internet |
| 04:13.02 | PingFloyd | nsadmin: the one that didn't bog down |
| 04:13.25 | PingFloyd | nsadmin: and crash browsers etc. |
| 04:13.48 | nsadmin | TiMiDo, I didn't understand what you said... seems like lots of ideas in there; try this: one sentence, one idea |
| 04:14.02 | TiMiDo | nsadmin, im actually trying to connect via wireless |
| 04:14.05 | TiMiDo | and is not working |
| 04:15.23 | nsadmin | it will be the exploration of -why- "and is not working" that has the best chance of moving things along |
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| 04:19.18 | ajavid | nsadmin, Guerin, WormFood, PingFloyd: http://paste.debian.net/35660/ |
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| 04:19.58 | ajavid | enjoy; |
| 04:20.09 | ajavid | take out the top part, thats my config lol |
| 04:20.09 | WormFood | how in the fuck does opening that god damn page CRASH mozilla (again)? |
| 04:20.21 | ajavid | WormFood, sid? |
| 04:20.27 | WormFood | this fuckin' piece of shit browser crashed AGAIN |
| 04:20.51 | WormFood | of course sid, stable has no fuckin' packages in it (it does not even have god damn chinese fonts in stable) |
| 04:21.07 | ajavid | does it have the god blessed ones? |
| 04:22.04 | WormFood | which god? |
| 04:22.11 | ajavid | does it matter? |
| 04:22.20 | emja | can anyone point me to a reasonble howto for creating deb packages? I'm mainly looking for info about 'best practices' like backing up of config files, and what's the process for *uninstalling* the deb |
| 04:22.30 | ajavid | !package basics |
| 04:22.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 04:22.37 | ajavid | emja, ^^ |
| 04:22.45 | emja | ajavid: awesome. many (!) thanks |
| 04:22.56 | ajavid | np |
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| 04:27.56 | PiousMinion | What is the recommend way of preventing gdm from starting on boot? |
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| 04:28.30 | nsadmin | emja: there are scripts to install and uninstall packages,,, if you're packaging, you're writing those scripts |
| 04:28.35 | liable | !nodm |
| 04:28.36 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
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| 04:29.49 | PiousMinion | So "update-rc.d -f gdm remove" ?? |
| 04:29.56 | liable | aye |
| 04:30.10 | nsadmin | or "dpkg --purge gdm" |
| 04:30.36 | PiousMinion | Nah, I want it installed, just not started automatically. |
| 04:31.19 | nsadmin | hmm, then you will want to read the man page to make sure what "remove" does |
| 04:31.42 | nsadmin | for example, you don't want it removing the /etc/init.d/gdm file |
| 04:32.26 | nsadmin | unless... when you start it manually, you do all the things that script would have done :) |
| 04:32.34 | PiousMinion | it doesn't remove the file. uit removes the symlinks to it |
| 04:32.44 | nsadmin | perfect :) |
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| 04:33.09 | nsadmin | that being the case, you'd be able to start it or stop it with one command line |
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| 04:34.58 | ajavid | !gdm |
| 04:34.59 | dpkg | methinks gdm is the <GNOME> Display Manager, a <display manager> based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind. Uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession. Not to be confused with the General Purpose Mouse (GPM) interface, ask about <gpm>. |
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| 04:38.23 | PiousMinion | that wasn't helpful, but I guess somewhat informative. |
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| 04:42.35 | TheCoffeMaker | Hi all, hope not be the unique with the network-manager issue ... I'm trying to force the previous version of n-m and his dependencies but synaptic has the force-version (Ctrl-E) disabled ... someone know how to enable it? |
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| 04:47.57 | hark | TheCoffeMaker: if it's installed, /msg dpkg hold |
| 04:50.08 | TheCoffeMaker | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.42 | TheCoffeMaker | hark, actually I don't want to hold ... I want to roll back to previous version |
| 04:52.56 | TheCoffeMaker | hark, network-manager update from 0.6.6-3 to 0.7.1-1 crashed the network-manager at that point that it is not detecting the network configuration |
| 04:55.28 | hark | does it crash or is it not detecting your wireless card? can you select the Enable Wireless option? |
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| 04:56.57 | TheCoffeMaker | hark, it crashed the first time ... anyway I havent a Wireless card ... it's a NIC ... right now it's working but n-m is not detecting the connection |
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| 04:58.24 | PiousMinion | Is there a way to disable shell access but allow gdm logins? |
| 04:58.50 | hark | TheCoffeMaker: do a /etc/init.d/network-manager stop |
| 04:59.15 | TheCoffeMaker | PioysMinion, with shell access you mean local access througt console? |
| 04:59.40 | hark | TheCoffeMaker: then from a terminal as root run NetWorkManager --no-daemon |
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| 05:00.00 | hark | TheCoffeMaker: then just start up nm-applet ot knetworkmanager and see the output |
| 05:00.08 | PiousMinion | TheCoffeMaker: I mean prevent the user from executing any shell. xterm, rxvt, bash, whatever. |
| 05:00.33 | PiousMinion | kiosk like security, but with a bit more functionaily |
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| 05:01.48 | TheCoffeMaker | PiousMinion, you can do it setting up PAM and disabling it from inittab |
| 05:02.24 | TheCoffeMaker | hark ... it didn't find the atk-bridge ... will check if the package is right |
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| 05:06.27 | GillaGal | When I try to wget a php page from the server hosting it, wget often sits there for a while with "HTTP request sent, awaiting response..." Any idea what could cause the pause? |
| 05:06.37 | TheCoffeMaker | hark, find the mn-applet output http://pastebin.com/d35a1a1cd |
| 05:07.49 | TheCoffeMaker | PiousMinion, were you able to setup it? |
| 05:08.29 | PiousMinion | TheCoffeMaker: researching what I need to do with PAM. :P |
| 05:09.14 | TheCoffeMaker | don't worry ... if you only to disable ttyXs just edit inittab |
| 05:09.59 | TheCoffeMaker | PiousMinion, PAM will help you to add authentication to apps |
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| 05:10.32 | PiousMinion | TheCoffeMaker: ttys are of no concenr. I will be allowing vnc connections which spawn gdm and allow logins. Once the user has logged in with their valid account I don't want them to be able to get at a command prompt. |
| 05:11.46 | TheCoffeMaker | so it's no local access ... you will need to setup PAM to restrict users to run consoles from X |
| 05:12.22 | PiousMinion | aye, researching that now as I'm a newb to PAM. :P |
| 05:12.47 | TheCoffeMaker | PiousMinion, Securing Debian manual will help you :) |
| 05:13.35 | peterrooney | PiousMinion: or, in a simple but unholy kludge, edit /etc/bash.bashrc (and/or ksh, tcsh, any other shells you might have) to die if the DISPLAY environment set. |
| 05:14.17 | PiousMinion | unholy kludge, but somewhat functional. I'll hope I won't have to resort to that. hehe |
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| 05:17.17 | krfkeith | does debian support the PS3? |
| 05:17.24 | Guerin | krfkeith: no. |
| 05:17.44 | freaky_t | hey can anyone help me with a samba problem? im getting this in debug lvl 10: |
| 05:17.46 | freaky_t | not adding non-broadcast interface tun0 |
| 05:17.48 | Guerin | krfkeith: (allegedly it works on the PS3, but it's not supported) |
| 05:17.56 | freaky_t | but i want it to be added :\ |
| 05:19.02 | TheCoffeMaker | hark, any clue on that? |
| 05:19.25 | krfkeith | Guerin: so by "works" I assume there are kinks to work out? I would use YDL, but you have to download a 3.2GB file!! |
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| 05:26.49 | TheCoffeMaker | hark, I found the atk-bridge in at-spi package ... will install it ... hope it work |
| 05:27.41 | TheCoffeMaker | need to restart session ... will back in a while |
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| 05:31.08 | TheCoffeMaker | hark, nop, it didn't work ... it's still saying that I have no connections :S |
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| 05:31.10 | hark | TheCoffeMaker: it's probably not due to the ark-bridge |
| 05:31.49 | hark | see the applet_dbus_manager_start_service() error |
| 05:32.20 | TheCoffeMaker | nop, but well I resolved the lib dependency ... I read in a bug list (Google group for Debian bugs) that someone had the same issue but with wireless |
| 05:33.26 | TheCoffeMaker | the good thing is that I have connection ... but I want it working fine ... is there any way to enable the synaptic force version to go back? |
| 05:33.42 | hark | to downgrade, aptitude install network-manager=0.6.6.3 (if the dependencies resolve) |
| 05:33.56 | TheCoffeMaker | :) |
| 05:34.18 | TheCoffeMaker | will try |
| 05:35.14 | hark | TheCoffeMaker: is this a desktop? |
| 05:35.53 | TheCoffeMaker | hark, yes |
| 05:37.07 | TheCoffeMaker | aptitude said that version is not found :S |
| 05:37.15 | hark | why use network-manager then? it seems like overkill |
| 05:37.36 | hark | TheCoffeMaker: that's why synaptic did not offer you the option |
| 05:37.46 | hark | judd: versions network-manager |
| 05:37.46 | judd | hark: network-manager -- etch: 0.6.4-6 lenny: 0.6.6-3 squeeze: 0.6.6-3 sid: 0.7.1-1 |
| 05:38.16 | hark | you can try adding the testing repositories |
| 05:38.42 | TheCoffeMaker | judd, I'm running squeeze and I received the latest version 0.7.1-1 a ferw minutes ago |
| 05:38.43 | judd | TheCoffeMaker: Error: "I'm" is not a valid command. |
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| 05:38.52 | TheCoffeMaker | :P |
| 05:39.14 | TheCoffeMaker | hark, I'm running squeeze and I received the latest version 0.7.1-1 a ferw minutes ago |
| 05:39.45 | hark | yeah, judd's db is probably not updated yet |
| 05:39.53 | TheCoffeMaker | hark, should I add the lenny repo? |
| 05:40.02 | TheCoffeMaker | hark, it will mess it up :P |
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| 05:43.04 | TheCoffeMaker | hark, I think that it will be fixed ... while I have connection is not a problem ... but ... you know |
| 05:43.42 | hark | are you running gnome? |
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| 05:44.45 | enouf | 0.0.0.0 www.impregnable.net #[TrojanDownloader.Win32.VB.dw][Trojan.Win32.StartPage.kk] O_u |
| 05:45.00 | enouf | ajavid: nice |
| 05:46.23 | TheCoffeMaker | hark, yes |
| 05:47.48 | hark | TheCoffeMaker: i'd recommend to just remove NM and use network-admin in gnome or just /etc/network/interfaces to set up DHCP |
| 05:48.24 | PiousMinion | this a wireless thing? |
| 05:48.31 | hark | no |
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| 05:51.17 | TheCoffeMaker | hark, yea off course |
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| 05:52.03 | TheCoffeMaker | hark, but welll I just wanted to get it working :P |
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| 05:54.51 | hark | yeah, well maybe google for the dbus error or look for a squeeze mirror which hasn't been updated yet ;) |
| 05:55.21 | TheCoffeMaker | hark, good one :P |
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| 05:59.31 | ajavid | enouf, huh? |
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| 06:01.03 | enouf | ajavid: from your 16 THOUSAND KILOBYTE hosts file ... what a wintendo weenie you've become :-) |
| 06:01.16 | enouf | er Line, not KB |
| 06:01.47 | matt7676 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.21 | Guerin | matt7676: looks like you attached it to your ubuntu machine by accident |
| 06:03.23 | enouf | matt7676: mount only shows mounted partitions .. sda is a disk, not a partition |
| 06:03.30 | Guerin | so I recommend you attach it to your debian machine |
| 06:03.32 | enouf | sda1 is a partition |
| 06:03.51 | enouf | ugh |
| 06:04.04 | enouf | gnubooboo |
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| 06:04.44 | ajavid | ajavid, I got it from google:hosts adblock file |
| 06:04.48 | ajavid | enouf, ^^ |
| 06:04.51 | enouf | actually .. s/gnubooboo/newbooboo/ since there's almost no gnu left in it :-P |
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| 06:05.14 | enouf | ajavid: i used to use a hosts file for that in win9x |
| 06:05.51 | enouf | ajavid: just use links2 - adblock / flashblock is built in :-) |
| 06:06.07 | ajavid | You can use a HOSTS file to block ads, banners, 3rd party Cookies, 3rd party page counters, web bugs |
| 06:06.09 | enouf | it doesn't even have the BLOAT to process that CRAP |
| 06:06.13 | matt7676 | it is a Ubuntu computer, but since Ubuntu is based on Debian, they should be rather close in technical terms. However, fdisk -l should view every partition/device? |
| 06:06.17 | TheCoffeMaker | matt7676, normally ubuntu automounts attached devices ... check the partitios available with ls /dev/sda* and later mount it |
| 06:06.37 | ajavid | enouf, yes we know, you take pride in the fact that you run a calculator... |
| 06:06.38 | ajavid | ;) |
| 06:06.51 | enouf | matt7676: fdisk -l yes .. however , not any it doesn't understand |
| 06:06.54 | ajavid | http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.txt |
| 06:07.11 | enouf | it's the Rolex of browsers! |
| 06:07.16 | enouf | :-) |
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| 06:08.55 | ajavid | dpkg adblock.hosts is You can use a HOSTS file to block ads, banners, 3rd party Cookies, 3rd party page counters, web bugs, and more. http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.txt -- http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm |
| 06:08.55 | dpkg | ajavid: okay |
| 06:08.58 | ajavid | word |
| 06:09.20 | behnam | Hello |
| 06:09.23 | behnam | I'm looking for a way to synchronize two hards disk, I mean : I have a partition on which I often add files, and I want to add the last added files to the second hard disk |
| 06:09.25 | behnam | How can I do ? |
| 06:09.35 | matt7676 | "ls /dev/sda*" gives just "sda" file. So I guess that Ubuntu does not recognize the partitions on that disk? |
| 06:10.37 | enouf | dpkg adblock.hosts is also You could also just choose a non-bloated Browser such as links2, w3m or many others |
| 06:10.38 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
| 06:10.54 | ajavid | stop running a calculator! |
| 06:11.14 | enouf | it's a watch! it keeps the time! |
| 06:11.17 | TheCoffeMaker | behnam, mmm ... maybe a cron script can help you |
| 06:11.54 | enouf | ajavid: you didn't even mention where to place that list! |
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| 06:12.25 | behnam | TheCoffeMaker: maybe not that automatic |
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| 06:12.42 | behnam | But I thought about something like " svn update " or " git pull " you know that kind of things ( ? ) |
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| 06:13.11 | ham5 | sids beena bad boy last few days huh |
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| 06:13.35 | Arrowmaster | behnam: rsync |
| 06:13.51 | TheCoffeMaker | behnam, svn will help only if you want to keep file version track |
| 06:13.52 | ajavid | enouf, this is not for noobs |
| 06:14.03 | ajavid | its just a public bookmark factoid thingy |
| 06:14.09 | behnam | Ok, so rsync for synchronizing disks( ? ) |
| 06:14.11 | ajavid | still useful to those who want it |
| 06:14.44 | enouf | ajavid: using a hosts file to block ads is not for n00bs? bwahahahaha |
| 06:15.20 | Guerin | behnam: yes. look up `incremental backup' |
| 06:15.21 | Arrowmaster | behnam: well it would be better than a vcs for synchronizing large (especially binary) files across two file systems |
| 06:15.25 | Guerin | behnam: (on google) |
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| 06:16.08 | behnam | Guerin: Arrowmaster TheCoffeMaker : Thank you ! I will look in this way :) |
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| 06:17.05 | Arrowmaster | or just look up rsync on wikipedia, it has good articles on just about every protocal and standard |
| 06:17.22 | ajavid | enouf, no, its just good blocking |
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| 06:17.39 | ajavid | enouf, I have 4 windows laptops, 3 windows desktops in the rest of the hosue |
| 06:17.53 | ajavid | enouf, they belong to mostly computer illeterate family members |
| 06:18.22 | sx66|eee | ajavid: winxp? or? |
| 06:18.24 | ajavid | enouf, when shit hits the fan I get to do the shit work, so I rather not, i'd just do whatever I can possibly do to block them from doing all sorts of bullcrap |
| 06:18.55 | ajavid | I been trying to block porn cuz my younger brother is watching entirely too much of it |
| 06:18.58 | ajavid | I think |
| 06:19.08 | sx66|eee | ajavid: how old are you? |
| 06:19.11 | ajavid | 28 |
| 06:19.31 | sx66|eee | You live with your brother? as in still at home? |
| 06:19.39 | ham5 | normal |
| 06:19.40 | ajavid | still? no |
| 06:19.51 | ajavid | I havent' been home in 8 years |
| 06:20.03 | ajavid | I came down for the summer, decided to get enrolled in school for masters |
| 06:20.04 | sx66|eee | No Christmas parties? ;( |
| 06:20.11 | ajavid | I miss my family :) |
| 06:20.18 | ajavid | and friends and home |
| 06:20.33 | sx66|eee | coo |
| 06:20.34 | ajavid | I just spend years in texas, oklahoma, new york city |
| 06:20.41 | sx66|eee | How nice |
| 06:20.49 | ajavid | before that I was home, but I moved out when I was 16 |
| 06:20.56 | ajavid | got emancipated, dropped outta high school |
| 06:21.00 | ajavid | moved out and smoked a lotta pot |
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| 06:21.03 | sx66|eee | I am at home going to school full time, work full time, and etc |
| 06:21.17 | enouf | oh .. the wopr movie is on .. haha |
| 06:21.43 | ajavid | I just stay home now, work on diff software web dev contracts |
| 06:21.52 | ajavid | go to shcool, study, come home, make money |
| 06:21.57 | ajavid | no bills nothing |
| 06:22.11 | sx66|eee | How does that work? No car, no credit card etc? |
| 06:22.13 | ajavid | its great man, I save all my money up so after my 2 years of masters, I can get married and start my life at 30 |
| 06:22.16 | ajavid | isn't that normal? |
| 06:22.25 | ajavid | or you rather I be one of those idiots who gets married at 20 |
| 06:22.53 | ham5 | 20 4 kids |
| 06:22.58 | ajavid | sx66|eee, just car insurance, its paid off. |
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| 06:23.18 | sx66|eee | ah, same. and the cell phone bill of 60 a month |
| 06:23.28 | ajavid | I don't p ay for cell phone |
| 06:23.34 | sx66|eee | skype credit? |
| 06:23.37 | ajavid | nope |
| 06:23.41 | sx66|eee | then...? |
| 06:23.49 | ajavid | gf's plan, its free for me unlimited |
| 06:24.01 | ajavid | that way she gets to keep tabs on me... *sigh* |
| 06:24.06 | ajavid | but hey, gotta get laid right |
| 06:24.14 | sx66|eee | ah...that is fun. |
| 06:24.44 | debam | hi to all,is there any new requirement which has to develop from scratch ..i like to contrbute to it.. |
| 06:24.47 | ajavid | yeh, pakistani girls are like that |
| 06:25.06 | ajavid | debam, you can start from taking care of a few packages that are orphaned |
| 06:25.08 | sx66|eee | eh? |
| 06:25.09 | ajavid | !wnpp |
| 06:25.09 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 06:25.18 | ajavid | sx66|eee, ah yes, I'm brown. |
| 06:25.35 | sx66|eee | ajavid: What distros? etc, do you use, and computers, etc.. |
| 06:25.57 | ajavid | debian. exclusively, xp pro x64 for gaming oblivion mostly |
| 06:26.04 | sx66|eee | lol |
| 06:26.08 | ajavid | rarely do i ever get the urge to play oblivion |
| 06:26.09 | sx66|eee | specs? |
| 06:26.32 | ajavid | 3500mhz core 2 e6300, 8GB ram, x1900xt radeon |
| 06:26.36 | debam | ajavid, which are those packages available ..or any from repository? |
| 06:26.39 | sx66|eee | :O |
| 06:26.43 | ajavid | ga ep45ud3 mobo |
| 06:26.50 | sx66|eee | Monitor? |
| 06:27.11 | ajavid | 2x 24" hannsg HG216 hdmi |
| 06:27.22 | ajavid | and I have an older 22" and a 19" laying around |
| 06:27.26 | ajavid | but not enough video cards |
| 06:27.39 | sx66|eee | dang, I just bought an 22"w, Acer $140 from costco |
| 06:27.52 | ajavid | I just use my parents credit card and go crazy with it |
| 06:27.52 | ajavid | :) |
| 06:28.02 | sx66|eee | how does that work? |
| 06:28.22 | ajavid | uhm.. well don't have many kids, and rich physicians |
| 06:28.36 | sx66|eee | many? as in any or just? |
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| 06:28.39 | ajavid | wtf else are they gonna do with their millions? |
| 06:28.47 | ajavid | 4 kids total |
| 06:28.55 | sx66|eee | and no marriage? |
| 06:28.59 | ajavid | huh? |
| 06:29.06 | ajavid | whats the matter with ou |
| 06:29.08 | sx66|eee | With current gf? |
| 06:29.10 | ajavid | why are you worrie about myf amily |
| 06:29.15 | ajavid | im just high just talking about it |
| 06:29.19 | ajavid | wtf you got me talking about |
| 06:29.20 | ajavid | man |
| 06:29.22 | ajavid | shit. |
| 06:29.30 | sx66|eee | Nah, just sounds interesting to hear from |
| 06:29.38 | ajavid | join #debian-chat then |
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| 06:29.41 | ajavid | its offtpic here |
| 06:29.54 | ajavid | and I have to get to bed anyway |
| 06:30.01 | sx66|eee | Yes, it is off topic. What is the time there? |
| 06:30.21 | Guerin | bedtime |
| 06:30.24 | sx66|eee | lol |
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| 06:30.35 | sx66|eee | ah, just finished an iso burn |
| 06:30.49 | debam | NIce chat room.... |
| 06:30.55 | Guerin | !room |
| 06:30.55 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 06:30.59 | sx66|eee | lol |
| 06:32.04 | ajavid | !channel |
| 06:32.05 | dpkg | is this teh room for debain help plz ??? lol |
| 06:32.12 | ajavid | lol |
| 06:32.57 | GillaGal | Can anyone give me an example of a mod rewrite rule that will change http://www.domain.com/pageX.php to http://www.domain.com/pageX/ |
| 06:34.09 | ajavid | #apace will |
| 06:34.14 | ajavid | #apache |
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| 06:34.52 | GillaGal | tried |
| 06:34.55 | GillaGal | no reply. |
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| 06:38.58 | NiLon | rewriterule http://www.domain.com/pageX.php http://www.domain.com/pageX/ |
| 06:38.59 | NiLon | :p |
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| 07:16.24 | stew | !flw |
| 07:16.25 | dpkg | (about reiser) < dan2> abrotman: it's always worked fine for me |
| 07:16.58 | faffi | could someone point me to where i could figure out how to get a mic working |
| 07:17.01 | faffi | !microphone |
| 07:17.05 | faffi | fail |
| 07:17.29 | GillaGal | When I try to wget a page from the console of the server hosting it, wget often sits there for a while with "HTTP request sent, awaiting response..." Any idea what could cause the pause? |
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| 07:17.57 | faffi | GillaGal: are you using the ip or dns |
| 07:18.14 | faffi | hostname i guess would be more proper |
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| 07:20.19 | GillaGal | faffi by hostname (www.domain.com/page.php) |
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| 07:22.08 | Takatski | I have two versions of flash installed I believe, how do I go about switching them again? |
| 07:22.16 | Takatski | there's an apt- command for it isnt there? |
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| 07:25.51 | kingsley | Takatski: If you have not done so already, you might want to run this command "apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree" to find out what apt-cache thinks is installed, and what is available. |
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| 07:26.37 | Takatski | apparently I have nothing installed.. |
| 07:26.49 | Takatski | I thought I had grabbed the mozilla flash |
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| 07:27.15 | kingsley | Takatski: There's a debian package that installs it. |
| 07:27.23 | Takatski | flashplayer-mozilla? |
| 07:27.29 | kingsley | Takatski: You can install flash with this command... |
| 07:27.35 | kingsley | aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:28.02 | Takatski | ah, thanks ^^ |
| 07:28.21 | kingsley | Takatski: You can read about the package by typing ... |
| 07:28.28 | kingsley | apt-cache show flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 07:28.34 | DavidProck19811 | is there a way to add something to the Grub menu to load the biggest part of debian in the ram, the files that never / hardly ever change, while the files often change be left on the hard drive, that way it can free up the hard drive useage after the system gets loaded ? |
| 07:28.37 | Takatski | thank you ^^ |
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| 07:28.58 | Guerin | DavidProck19811: what a stupid idea. |
| 07:29.08 | Guerin | hard drive is cheap |
| 07:29.10 | Guerin | ram is expensive |
| 07:29.18 | enouf | DavidProck19811: use a ramdisk - and the kernel needs ram :-) |
| 07:29.20 | kingsley | Takatski: You're welcome. |
| 07:29.37 | DavidProck19811 | not when you have NO hard drive and all u got is a slow ass usb memory stick |
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| 07:29.51 | Takatski | wow that just removed a lot of stuff rofl |
| 07:30.06 | Takatski | only thing I'm sad about is transmission really |
| 07:30.20 | Guerin | DavidProck19811: ... so you're not looking to free up anything from that storage, just read it as infrequently as possible. the kernel does that already. |
| 07:30.23 | enouf | old bloated crap |
| 07:30.28 | DavidProck19811 | my hdd been dead for a while now, my system lags it but off some times |
| 07:30.39 | Takatski | oh well, I'll deal with it tomorrow |
| 07:30.40 | Takatski | thanks again |
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| 07:30.54 | enouf | DavidProck19811: just run linux in a VM ;-) |
| 07:31.00 | DavidProck19811 | since i run it all from ram |
| 07:31.11 | DavidProck19811 | t i only got 8 gig to work with |
| 07:31.16 | enouf | ... |
| 07:31.28 | Guerin | wtf |
| 07:31.42 | DavidProck19811 | tnot ram. usb |
| 07:31.53 | Guerin | oh. |
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| 07:34.42 | DavidProck19811 | oh and another problem i got, one time it locked up, i had to force power off, and when it come back tons of settings changed |
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| 07:35.12 | DavidProck19811 | and randomy my pc wont talk to the router, and its not the router |
| 07:35.18 | enouf | someone teach DavidProck19811 how to fsck O_O |
| 07:35.29 | DavidProck19811 | ill have to do a full restart\ |
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| 07:35.56 | enouf | (couldn't help it ... timing was too good) |
| 07:36.09 | DavidProck19811 | fsck? |
| 07:37.10 | enouf | find /sbin -name '*fsck*' |
| 07:37.20 | DavidProck19811 | how can i unmount my fs to use fsck |
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| 07:38.10 | enouf | !forcefsck |
| 07:38.11 | dpkg | To instruct your system to perform a <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). |
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| 07:39.06 | enouf | insure your /etc/fstab contains a 1 in last field (man fstab) for / FS entry ; all others should be 2 or 0 |
| 07:41.35 | DavidProck19811 | fstab does, all others is 0 |
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| 07:41.53 | DavidProck19811 | what is touch /forcefsck exactly |
| 07:42.01 | enouf | !touch |
| 07:42.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, touch is a cool command used to create an empty file or used to change file timestamps on existing files. For additional info, man touch. |
| 07:42.22 | enouf | it places an entry in / that chechroot.sh looks for |
| 07:42.38 | DavidProck19811 | so i should restart now? |
| 07:43.59 | enouf | if you did that command and there's a file there now, yes |
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| 07:45.07 | DavidProck19811 | what is the file called again |
| 07:45.41 | simonrvn | look up about 20 lines... |
| 07:45.44 | enouf | do /msg dpkg forcefsck |
| 07:45.56 | DavidProck19811 | do /msg dpkg forcefsck |
| 07:45.59 | DavidProck19811 | lol |
| 07:46.04 | enouf | ... |
| 07:46.30 | enouf | !+tell DavidProck19811 -about msgthebot |
| 07:46.31 | dpkg | told DavidProck19811 about msgthebot. |
| 07:48.11 | arvind_khadri | hi, according to /usr/share/doc/glutg3/README.Debian /usr/share/doc/glut-doc/examples should be there, but i cant find it here ? |
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| 07:50.39 | arvind_khadri | any ideas? |
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| 07:51.13 | RaymondX | hi |
| 07:51.31 | enouf | !find glut-doc/examples |
| 07:52.20 | enouf | might glut-doc indicate docbook(ness)? |
| 07:52.23 | RaymondX | can anyone give me a sample startup script that allows a program to stay resident until logging in? |
| 07:52.38 | enouf | TSR? |
| 07:52.48 | RaymondX | yep |
| 07:52.53 | enouf | ... |
| 07:52.55 | arvind_khadri | enouf, docbook ? |
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| 07:52.59 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'glut-doc/examples' returned no results. |
| 07:53.04 | enouf | ouch |
| 07:53.32 | RaymondX | just planning to use it on a simple remote desktop server app |
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| 07:54.13 | arvind_khadri | enouf, so then it should be marked as bug |
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| 07:56.31 | enouf | i see no files anywhere named glut or glutg3 |
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| 07:56.45 | enouf | er .. i see no files anywhere named glut-doc or glutg3 |
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| 07:57.02 | arvind_khadri | enouf, you need to have it installed :D |
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| 07:57.26 | reber | hi all. Seems that xine engine (amarok, xine, etc.) doesn't stream out audio anymore. All audio levels seems fine, and mplayer audio out is ok. Any ideas ? |
| 07:57.36 | enouf | arvind_khadri: i know - but then Debian.org searches are broken ... badly |
| 07:57.57 | RaymondX | install vlc reber :)) |
| 07:57.58 | arvind_khadri | enouf, since when ? |
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| 07:58.31 | enouf | arvind_khadri: since it cannot find any keyword glut-doc, or glut3g in ANY release in ANY arch |
| 07:58.53 | arvind_khadri | enouf, gosh |
| 07:58.54 | reber | RaymondX, not a good answer, change answer :) |
| 07:59.12 | arvind_khadri | enouf, shall i pm you the content of README.Debian ? |
| 07:59.16 | enouf | no |
| 07:59.28 | reber | is xine engine somewhat broken in testing ? |
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| 07:59.53 | RaymondX | yes it is reber...debian always has aproblem with proprietary plugins |
| 07:59.57 | enouf | that doesn't mean you're not using some variant of Debian - but you should search packages.debian.org |
| 08:00.01 | enouf | i'm done with it |
| 08:00.15 | RaymondX | better install one that has built in codecs |
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| 08:02.30 | RaymondX | <<<< in need of expert scriptwriters |
| 08:02.32 | liable | i tend to have xine/mplayer/vlc always installed due to any one generally being broken at any time ;) |
| 08:03.04 | arvind_khadri | enouf, am using lenny |
| 08:03.18 | enouf | arvind_khadri: i see various glut* pkgs though ... does indeed look like a bug in the documentation |
| 08:03.45 | arvind_khadri | enouf, ya, so where do i file it ? |
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| 08:04.38 | enouf | !bts |
| 08:04.39 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges>. |
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| 08:04.59 | enouf | arvind_khadri: ^^^ |
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| 08:05.19 | arvind_khadri | enouf, ya got it, doesnt debian LP much ? |
| 08:05.29 | enouf | spin Albums? |
| 08:05.40 | RaymondX | ] |
| 08:05.54 | reber | RaymondX, "proprietary plugins" ? ... Seems hat xine and xine engine is OSS isn't it |
| 08:06.26 | enouf | install alsa-oss ? |
| 08:06.39 | arvind_khadri | use LP much i meant |
| 08:06.52 | reber | k tryin |
| 08:06.57 | enouf | Locust Protection? |
| 08:07.07 | reber | alsa-oss already there |
| 08:07.25 | RaymondX | go to "open sound" if you have trouble with your device |
| 08:07.57 | enouf | reber: in xine config ; have you gone into the area that allows you to alter Advanced settings? i think the term was "Master of the Universe" |
| 08:08.01 | arvind_khadri | LP=launchpad |
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| 08:08.21 | enouf | doesn't know what launchpad is |
| 08:08.41 | RaymondX | LP is a spammer |
| 08:08.43 | arvind_khadri | launchpad.net |
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| 08:14.54 | enouf | reber: some things you could try to see what's hijacking your audio would be "fuser -m /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp/*" and as root; "lsof | egrep 'flash|artsd|esd|pulseaudio' etc ... add/remove keywords as you like" |
| 08:14.58 | reber | enouf, i forced alsa, fixed now thanks |
| 08:15.10 | enouf | reber: forced? |
| 08:15.13 | reber | in xine config master of universe |
| 08:15.20 | enouf | ahh .. there ya go |
| 08:15.24 | reber | yah :) |
| 08:15.56 | enouf | bravo ;-) |
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| 08:17.47 | enouf | dpkg hijackaudio is Some things you could try to see what's hijacking your audio would be "fuser -m /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp/*" and as root; "lsof | egrep 'flash|artsd|esd|pulseaudio'" etc ... add/remove keywords as you like. |
| 08:17.48 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
| 08:22.17 | jetscreamer | no, i am master of the known universe |
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| 08:23.01 | enouf | but are there spoons in yours? |
| 08:23.02 | jetscreamer | cept for lameassed ati |
| 08:23.05 | enouf | !spoon |
| 08:23.06 | dpkg | There is no spoon. |
| 08:23.14 | jetscreamer | sometimes there's a spoon |
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| 08:26.03 | jelly-home | !list alsa users |
| 08:26.03 | dpkg | To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer |
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| 08:26.21 | jelly-home | whut |
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| 08:28.41 | jetscreamer | is in this lame assed os due to ati lameness |
| 08:29.07 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: Debian? |
| 08:29.19 | jetscreamer | no, i said lameassed |
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| 08:30.41 | enouf | dpkg hijackaudio =~ s,fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp/*,fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp/ /dev/mixer, |
| 08:30.42 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp/*', enouf |
| 08:30.51 | enouf | dpkg hijackaudio =~ s,fuser -m /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp/*,fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp/ /dev/mixer, |
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| 08:30.52 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'fuser -m /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp/*', enouf |
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| 08:31.26 | Tiffon | nas |
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| 08:31.33 | enouf | dpkg hijackaudio =~ s,"fuser -m /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp/*","fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp/ /dev/mixer", |
| 08:31.34 | dpkg | enouf: that doesn't contain '"fuser -m /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp/*"' |
| 08:31.43 | jetscreamer | lo-el |
| 08:31.47 | enouf | wonderful |
| 08:31.55 | jetscreamer | just forget it and start over |
| 08:31.59 | enouf | !hijackaudio |
| 08:31.59 | dpkg | hijackaudio is, like, Some things you could try to see what's hijacking your audio would be "fuser -m /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*" and as root; "lsof | egrep 'flash|artsd|esd|pulseaudio'" etc ... add/remove keywords as you like. |
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| 08:32.41 | enouf | dpkg hijackaudio =~ s,/dev/snd/*,/dev/dsp/, |
| 08:32.41 | dpkg | enouf: OK |
| 08:32.47 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 08:33.05 | enouf | dpkg hijackaudio =~ s,/dev/snd/,/dev/dsp /dev/mixer, |
| 08:33.06 | dpkg | enouf: that doesn't contain '/dev/snd/' |
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| 08:33.35 | enouf | crap |
| 08:33.41 | bullgard4 | What does 'PCIO' stand for in ACPI? |
| 08:33.46 | enouf | !forget hijackaudio |
| 08:33.46 | dpkg | i forgot hijackaudio, enouf |
| 08:34.05 | enouf | dpkg hijackaudio is Some things you could try to see what's hijacking your audio would be "fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer" and as root; "lsof | egrep 'flash|artsd|esd|pulseaudio'" etc ... add/remove keywords as you like. |
| 08:34.06 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 08:35.44 | jetscreamer | bullgard4: i think google is saying it's s5 |
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| 08:36.20 | enouf | bullgard4: are you sure it's not PCI0, not PCIO |
| 08:36.22 | jetscreamer | no |
| 08:36.29 | enouf | ? |
| 08:36.33 | jetscreamer | it's pcio |
| 08:36.43 | jetscreamer | but i meant no to my s5 |
| 08:36.47 | enouf | Each root PCI bus must contain _HID, _ADR, _CRS and _PRT objects. _STA, and _DIS are unnecessary and are not allowed. _PRS and _SRS must be included if the bridge's resources are programmable (NotFixed). \_SB_ .. PCI0 _HID _ADR _CRS _PRT . |
| 08:36.59 | enouf | see PCI0 there? |
| 08:37.03 | jetscreamer | ok his is |
| 08:37.06 | jetscreamer | or yours |
| 08:38.03 | bullgard4 | enouf: According to "Advanced Configuration and Power Interface Specification" it is PCIO. |
| 08:38.08 | enouf | jetscreamer: and i was just adding a question mark to my question ;-) (i didn't presume you were saying no to me ;-)) |
| 08:38.32 | jetscreamer | acpi: wakeup devices PCIO(S5) SP2P(S5) LAN_(S3) LID_(S3) |
| 08:38.34 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 08:40.30 | jetscreamer | but then you have ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCIO (0000:00) .. so i said no |
| 08:40.52 | enouf | bullgard4: i see; i found this in kernel source anyways; #define PCIO_BASE VERSATILE_PCI_VIRT_MEM_BASE0 |
| 08:40.53 | jetscreamer | personal computer input output? (yeah right) |
| 08:41.25 | enouf | jetscreamer: it's def PCI + O ;-) |
| 08:41.50 | enouf | IOW, Peripheral Component Interconnect + whatever O is |
| 08:42.01 | enouf | Object? |
| 08:43.06 | bullgard4 | enouf: I consider your hit as an application of a more fundamental term 'PCIO' in the ACPI Name Space. (And I still do not know its meaning.) |
| 08:43.13 | jetscreamer | http://www.acpi.info/ |
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| 08:45.53 | jetscreamer | gah 637 page pdf |
| 08:48.20 | enouf | bullgard4: that makes two of us ;-) |
| 08:48.27 | enouf | bullgard4: keep digging |
| 08:49.12 | enouf | jetscreamer: only way to view that sucker is fire up win98 and acrobat reader 4.0 :-P |
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| 08:49.56 | enouf | everything in linux would bring any system to it's knees .. and worse |
| 08:49.56 | bullgard4 | enouf: My (secret) guess is 'PCI operation region'. But what could that be? |
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| 08:50.31 | jetscreamer | the spec expects you to know what it is |
| 08:50.41 | jetscreamer | it's only used in code comments :/ |
| 08:50.57 | bullgard4 | jetscreamer: Exactly. |
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| 08:51.28 | enouf | bullgard4: i understand SB to == South Bridge .. that's all i can ascertain - no idea, and i don't really care for now .. |
| 08:51.29 | maddash | hi, i read about debian planning to transition away from sha-1. now aptitude tells me that my archive keyrings are all wrong when I issue an update. any ideas on how to update my repo gpg keys? |
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| 08:51.49 | ribasushi | hi |
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| 08:52.13 | ribasushi | initrd question - are there any sensitive files included in it ever? e.g. /etc/shadow ? |
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| 08:52.24 | ribasushi | or anything else that could be considered sensitive |
| 08:52.26 | jetscreamer | io has to be input/output i would guess |
| 08:52.34 | bullgard4 | enouf: No. It's 'System Bus'. |
| 08:52.34 | jetscreamer | no |
| 08:52.36 | enouf | bullgard4: i'm thinking it means PCI + I/O |
| 08:52.47 | jetscreamer | no sensitive files |
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| 08:53.00 | bullgard4 | enouf: Yes, something like that. |
| 08:53.05 | jetscreamer | maddash: you can just install the debian keys |
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| 08:53.05 | enouf | just from reviewing this file; http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/arch/arm/mach-versatile/include/mach/hardware.h |
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| 08:54.13 | enouf | bullgard4: oh well - SouthBridge works as well as everything PCI bus connected is controlled via the SouthBridge Chip |
| 08:54.56 | jetscreamer | c i would guess as container |
| 08:55.01 | bullgard4 | enouf: But I have the "Advanced Configuration and Power Interface Specification" on my side. |
| 08:55.17 | enouf | you win then ;-) |
| 08:55.25 | enouf | !prize bullgard4 |
| 08:55.25 | dpkg | gives bullgard4 a My Little Pony. |
| 08:55.47 | ribasushi | enouf: you agree with jetscreamer about initrd? |
| 08:55.52 | jetscreamer | !give enouf a 'My Buddy' |
| 08:55.53 | dpkg | gives enouf a 'My Buddy' |
| 08:56.00 | ribasushi | looks for second opinion :) |
| 08:56.05 | enouf | heh |
| 08:56.13 | enouf | ribasushi: er .. look in it |
| 08:56.26 | ribasushi | it doesn't now, but this is no guarantee |
| 08:56.43 | jetscreamer | ok, but why would it |
| 08:56.49 | ribasushi | basically debating if fsvs-ing it is a security risk or not |
| 08:56.51 | enouf | ribasushi: cp it somewhere ; cd /where/you/copied/it/to ; zcat ./initrd-img-VERSION | cpio -i |
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| 08:57.11 | ribasushi | enouf: I told you - it doesn't have stuff now, but it might be just my system |
| 08:57.45 | enouf | ribasushi: initrd's are generated upon installation of the .deb, and the scripts that scan for hardware and such |
| 08:57.56 | jetscreamer | why don't we do away with passwords |
| 08:58.05 | Guerin | jetscreamer: you first |
| 08:58.07 | enouf | there IS ethX and MAC Address info in some |
| 08:58.37 | jetscreamer | waves@Guerin |
| 08:58.52 | enouf | Guerin: how's the little tike doing? |
| 08:59.00 | Guerin | :) |
| 08:59.05 | Guerin | enouf: awesomeness++ |
| 08:59.05 | jetscreamer | tyke |
| 08:59.13 | enouf | sweet |
| 08:59.21 | Guerin | desperately wants to wrestle the cats, but can't yet outrun them |
| 08:59.28 | enouf | haha |
| 08:59.36 | enouf | can you? |
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| 09:00.05 | Guerin | in fact, she can't move about under her own steam at all - just by using a jedi mind trick of sorts, where she wriggles her arms and legs frantically and makes determined noises until deb or I pick her up and take her where she wants to go |
| 09:00.47 | enouf | hehe ... /me sends a steamengine to NZ |
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| 09:03.59 | jetscreamer | cringes |
| 09:04.01 | jetscreamer | i know nobody want to hear this but should i choose vista ultimate or xp home |
| 09:04.16 | enouf | xp pro |
| 09:04.48 | enouf | (can't believe i even said _anything_) |
| 09:04.56 | enouf | runs away screaming |
| 09:04.59 | jetscreamer | well i've got that too but it needs to go on this other box |
| 09:05.07 | jetscreamer | anyway |
| 09:05.08 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 09:06.27 | ribasushi | how about /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg and /etc/apt/trusted.gpg - those are just public keys and thus not sensitive (but a good thing to back up) |
| 09:06.28 | ribasushi | right? |
| 09:07.46 | jetscreamer | why bother is what i say, but that's just me, reinstall at the drop of a hat, and i'll drop the hat |
| 09:08.12 | jetscreamer | but i don't use any sources cept debian |
| 09:08.23 | jetscreamer | no matter what my online sources.list says :) |
| 09:08.45 | ribasushi | jetscreamer: I am just setting a take/ignore policy for fsvs, and the resulting commits will be visible by non-root users |
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| 09:09.04 | jetscreamer | wel ignore me, i don't even know what fsvs is |
| 09:09.05 | ribasushi | and I am anal :) |
| 09:09.18 | ribasushi | it's awesome - svn for /etc |
| 09:09.30 | ribasushi | been in trial for 2 months on my smallest servers |
| 09:09.42 | ribasushi | works like a charm, nothing like "what did I change on this file 6 month ago" |
| 09:09.51 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 09:10.31 | ribasushi | but unlike svn it does perms/ownership/symlinks/special files etc |
| 09:10.34 | jetscreamer | that would keep all the *.bckup's down |
| 09:10.40 | ribasushi | everything you'd expect from an rsync basically but with history |
| 09:10.59 | jetscreamer | (# of) |
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| 09:11.47 | jetscreamer | and save seconds. which add up. |
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| 09:15.13 | jetscreamer | not counting the time you save when you want to look at an old one, or restore one |
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| 09:17.58 | jetscreamer | guess i'l see how lame gaming is on this 'gaming os' |
| 09:18.11 | jetscreamer | s/gaming/lame\ gaming/ |
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| 09:20.54 | jetscreamer | the extra gig in the proc seems to help |
| 09:21.01 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 09:29.08 | wsxws | hi all |
| 09:29.30 | Cope57 | hey |
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| 09:29.44 | wsxws | i want to add an own manpage, the existing manpages are 1.gz files. how to create such a file ? |
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| 09:33.05 | wsxws | if you all answer at the same time, it starts to confuse me :P |
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| 09:33.40 | Cope57 | I never created one from scratch before, so I am searching.... |
| 09:34.40 | Cope57 | I found a link that may be what you are looking for though. |
| 09:34.44 | Cope57 | http://computerprogramming.suite101.com/article.cfm/creating_linux_man_pages |
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| 09:36.14 | wsxws | cool, thanks |
| 09:36.28 | Cope57 | Is it what you needed? |
| 09:36.30 | wsxws | i was looking on google myself, but didnt find somthing usefull yet |
| 09:37.09 | tinkertim | vsxws, Asciidoc makes it very easy to create man pages (and many other things) using simple wiki-like markup |
| 09:37.21 | wsxws | dont know exactly yet, il read it carefully and tell you later ;) |
| 09:38.27 | wsxws | tinkertim is it usable without x ? |
| 09:39.48 | wsxws | jesus christ, to install that proggie apt want to install more than 100 packages |
| 09:40.03 | wsxws | ill go back to the google-page |
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| 09:40.03 | lord_rob | Hi ! What's the default display manager in debian ? Isn't it gdm ? Because it's marked as purged and kdm is installed but kdm still doesn't comes as default when I boot X on my Eee (it's some Debian-customized Window Manager, but I prefer kdm) |
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| 09:44.19 | infinity_ | hello |
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| 09:45.23 | wsxws | Cope57 your link was exactly what i needed, thanks again |
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| 09:46.20 | wsxws | (btw i never heard about the nroff command before, intresting tool it is) |
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| 09:47.56 | hark | lord_rob: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
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| 09:48.34 | gigo | is there any IRC software that will authenticate users against an LDAP |
| 09:50.38 | oc80z | gigo yeah |
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| 09:50.53 | gigo | oc80z, which one? |
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| 09:52.12 | oc80z | Its possible. |
| 09:52.30 | gigo | oc80z, Is there any IRC daemon software that can do it? |
| 09:52.49 | oc80z | oh.. |
| 09:53.03 | lord_rob | hark: I've already tried that, but that doesn't display any menu :/ |
| 09:53.16 | oc80z | yeah there is. |
| 09:53.27 | gigo | oc80z, could you please tell the name? |
| 09:53.44 | oc80z | gigo yeah u could either apache+ldap with mibbit |
| 09:53.51 | oc80z | or you could download inspircd |
| 09:54.29 | oc80z | you couldent google that? |
| 09:54.51 | gigo | LDAP + irc was not giving any good results. |
| 09:54.57 | gigo | apt-cache search ldap irc returned null |
| 09:55.46 | oc80z | you should have typed ldap ircd |
| 09:55.54 | hark | lord_rob: check /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 10:03.59 | enouf | lord_rob: also as root; update-alternatives --config x-[tab][tab] which should show atleast some of these; |
| 10:04.01 | enouf | x-cursor-theme x-session-manager x-terminal-emulator x-window-manager x-www-browser |
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| 10:05.55 | enouf | if tab-completion isn't enabled, enable it via removing the # from the 3 (appropriate and easily noticeable) lines in your ~/.bashrc lord_rob |
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| 10:14.05 | lord_rob | ah yes thanks enouf sorry for the late response, I'm hacking on my eee and I'm ircing on my thinkpad ;) |
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| 10:14.26 | lord_rob | thanks also hark |
| 10:15.08 | lord_rob | I was looking for the update-alternative way but couldn't remember its name ... |
| 10:15.32 | enouf | cool |
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| 10:16.18 | lord_rob | indeed :) |
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| 10:25.01 | Mjau | mø |
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| 10:33.02 | jetscreamer | kde4.2: the screensaver comes on by itself, but, when i go to the x-screensaver preferences, it tells me the daemon isn't running. i've --purged all the kscreensave stuff... where's the hook? |
| 10:33.38 | enouf | systemsettings crap? |
| 10:34.02 | mad_muppet | Im trying to set a static ip address .. I have changed the /etc/network/interfaces file to show the new ip but when I bring up the network it retains the old ip |
| 10:34.08 | jetscreamer | it's not in there either |
| 10:34.33 | enouf | despises screensavers, so knows not much about them |
| 10:35.02 | jetscreamer | another gripe: i put icons on my desktop and when i go to change the icon, or add to the command line, i don't have permissions. it's linked directly to /var/lib/menu or so |
| 10:35.16 | enouf | mad_muppet: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 10:35.21 | jetscreamer | least it's not 'my' computer |
| 10:35.24 | jetscreamer | anymore |
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| 10:35.55 | enouf | ugh .. desktop + icons == two other things i loathe |
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| 10:36.43 | jetscreamer | hey, i run icewm |
| 10:36.47 | jetscreamer | there is no desktop |
| 10:36.56 | jetscreamer | just a pretty picture if i want |
| 10:37.04 | mad_muppet | enouf: thanks |
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| 10:37.46 | jetscreamer | /var/lib/menu-xdg/applications/menu-xdg/X-Debian-Applications-Terminal-Emulators-xterm.desktop |
| 10:37.52 | jetscreamer | wtf kind of path is that |
| 10:38.00 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 10:39.15 | jetscreamer | root owns shit on the desktop.. how nice |
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| 10:39.22 | jetscreamer | not root's desktop, either |
| 10:39.44 | jetscreamer | i know, i could chown -R me:me / ... |
| 10:40.12 | jetscreamer | that would fix it! |
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| 10:40.19 | jetscreamer | and be almost as intelligent |
| 10:40.22 | jetscreamer | as ati |
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| 10:40.40 | enouf | well the Desktop is called the root window! |
| 10:40.45 | enouf | hides |
| 10:40.48 | jetscreamer | ahhhhhh |
| 10:40.52 | jetscreamer | or owwww |
| 10:41.00 | enouf | heh |
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| 10:42.15 | darkbulb | I have a new debian install has /boot and / on different filesystems I followed the insuctions in tghe grub manual and got it to boot into a busybox |
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| 10:43.21 | darkbulb | and I cant follow the logic as I specifically told it where root and kernel were |
| 10:43.44 | darkbulb | which was exactly what the find command enumerated |
| 10:43.54 | jetscreamer | what? |
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| 10:44.31 | jetscreamer | ow |
| 10:45.01 | jetscreamer | i never thought about how to manually boot grub with /boot being somewhere else |
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| 10:46.01 | darkbulb | should i trash it and redo the partitions |
| 10:46.08 | jetscreamer | you did the initrd command also? |
| 10:46.12 | darkbulb | yes |
| 10:46.53 | enouf | what? |
| 10:47.09 | jetscreamer | i dunno, it sounds a lot less complicated (for grubbing) to have /boot on the same partition.. or you can just cp /boot probably, and not mount that other /boot |
| 10:47.12 | enouf | having /boot on it's own partition is ordinary |
| 10:47.16 | jetscreamer | but i dunno |
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| 10:47.23 | jetscreamer | yes but how do you do grub |
| 10:47.30 | jetscreamer | from a grubshell |
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| 10:48.03 | darkbulb | Ive got a busybox and a bin/sh prompt |
| 10:48.15 | darkbulb | so it booted |
| 10:48.16 | enouf | root (hd0,0) |
| 10:48.26 | enouf | or .. is that grub2? |
| 10:48.31 | jetscreamer | both |
| 10:48.41 | jetscreamer | but what about /boot |
| 10:48.42 | v4nelle | guys i have squeeze amd64 and when i run gnome-open htp://something.com i get [Error showing url: Operation not supported]....any help? |
| 10:48.48 | bolt | how can I issue a shutdown command the brutal way pressing the button does? if something (like vmware) is hanging, the shutdown process wont complete. it'll just stay there, even if I kill vmware and try shutting it down again. however, if I press the button, the "stopping all remaining processes" shows up almost immediately and the machine powers down. for emergencies, how can I do this remotely? |
| 10:48.48 | jetscreamer | which isn't on hd0,0 |
| 10:49.02 | enouf | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 10:49.04 | jetscreamer | shutdown -r now or whatever ? |
| 10:49.31 | bolt | jetscreamer: that's the command I issued which made the thing hang up in the first place |
| 10:49.31 | jetscreamer | oh brutal. unplug it |
| 10:49.45 | jetscreamer | remote server you say i'm sure... say next i mean |
| 10:49.49 | bolt | jetscreamer: the power button does something very different from the shutdown command somehow |
| 10:49.56 | enouf | or grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda or someshit if you like |
| 10:50.11 | bolt | jetscreamer: it completely ignores vmware hanging and just shuts down what can be shut down before cutting the power |
| 10:50.12 | enouf | maybe toss in a --recheck option |
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| 10:50.36 | enouf | what isn't on hd0,0 ? |
| 10:50.47 | enouf | that's grub's root - not / FS |
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| 10:51.09 | darkbulb | the boot is on hdb1 the root is on hd0,0 |
| 10:51.18 | jetscreamer | well yeah, but when you do root (hd0,0) then kernel /boot/vmlinuz-whatever... there is no boot |
| 10:51.18 | enouf | that's what # groot= is for as well |
| 10:51.35 | jetscreamer | i'm tallking after you hit the c at the grub menu |
| 10:51.39 | jetscreamer | grubshell |
| 10:51.41 | darkbulb | there is a limited boot into a busy box |
| 10:51.43 | enouf | you remove the /boot/ part |
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| 10:52.04 | enouf | it becomes just /vmlinuz-whatever |
| 10:52.09 | jetscreamer | ah ok |
| 10:52.18 | enouf | wait |
| 10:52.20 | jetscreamer | it's not booting / |
| 10:52.26 | jaggz- | I ran make-ssl-cert to make a local cert for apache, but it only made a .crt file and apparently I need a .pem and .key? |
| 10:52.40 | jetscreamer | it's booting the kernel, and you pass root= to the kernel |
| 10:52.41 | enouf | wtf? vmlinuz is STILL on the /boot partition - wtf? |
| 10:53.16 | enouf | there is no hdb1 and hd0,0 |
| 10:53.26 | enouf | that's two entirely separate things |
| 10:53.37 | jetscreamer | but what are you trying to do, darkbulb |
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| 10:53.43 | jetscreamer | install grub ? |
| 10:53.50 | enouf | who the f am i talking to anyway? |
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| 10:54.12 | jetscreamer | fred |
| 10:54.19 | darkbulb | I am trying to get the system to boot into a full default debian with a command line |
| 10:54.27 | enouf | hiya fred - nice to meetcha ;-) |
| 10:54.31 | darkbulb | chris |
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| 10:54.44 | darkbulb | not a limited busybox |
| 10:54.45 | enouf | joe here |
| 10:54.49 | darkbulb | hey joe |
| 10:55.00 | enouf | don't ask me about the gun |
| 10:55.23 | jetscreamer | ok as long as you don't ask me about the big red button i'm holding down |
| 10:55.29 | darkbulb | the boot is on hdb1 - I dont know how grub numbers the drive |
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| 10:55.40 | darkbulb | the root is hd0,0 |
| 10:55.44 | jetscreamer | 0 is 'usually' hda or sda |
| 10:55.47 | enouf | hd0 is 1st HDD as the BIOS orders it |
| 10:55.49 | jetscreamer | but that can change |
| 10:55.57 | jetscreamer | no |
| 10:56.03 | enouf | hd1 is 2nd HDD as the BIOS orders it |
| 10:56.04 | jetscreamer | it's bios independant |
| 10:56.19 | enouf | Optical drives == nothing |
| 10:56.33 | jetscreamer | actually i saw one reported as (hd111) |
| 10:56.45 | jetscreamer | was weird.. kanotix liveced |
| 10:56.48 | jetscreamer | cd |
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| 10:57.18 | enouf | grub2 uses hd0,1 for 1st HDD, 1st partition whereas grub1 used hd0,0 |
| 10:57.30 | P4rro0t | grub2 uses hd0,1 for 1st HDD, 1st partition whereas grub1 used hd0,0 |
| 10:57.36 | jetscreamer | o? |
| 10:57.39 | P4rro0t | o? |
| 10:57.47 | darkbulb | oh that makes life simple - drive 2,0 is my boot and 0,0 is root |
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| 10:57.54 | P4rro0t | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.55 | jetscreamer | !ops P4rro0t just look |
| 10:57.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jetscreamer complains about: P4rro0t just look |
| 10:58.02 | P4rro0t | !ops P4rro0t just look |
| 10:58.06 | P4rro0t | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.11 | enouf | !kill P4rro0t |
| 10:58.12 | dpkg | chops P4rro0t's head off with a large lead pipe |
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| 10:58.21 | P4rro0t | !kill P4rro0t |
| 10:58.21 | dpkg | chops P4rro0t's head off with a free AOL CD |
| 10:58.38 | P4rro0t | chops P4rro0t's head off with a large lead pipe |
| 10:58.45 | P4rro0t | chops P4rro0t's head off with a free AOL CD |
| 10:58.59 | jetscreamer | is it looping yet? |
| 10:59.05 | P4rro0t | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.06 | enouf | Houston? we got a bot :-P ... yep |
| 10:59.07 | wimt | P4rro0t, enough please |
| 10:59.11 | P4rro0t | Houston? we got a bot :-P ... yep |
| 10:59.15 | P4rro0t | P4rro0t, enough please |
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| 10:59.29 | enouf | thanks wimt |
| 10:59.30 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 10:59.34 | wimt | np |
| 10:59.35 | darkbulb | hmm that shut him up |
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| 10:59.49 | darkbulb | I guess +b means ban |
| 11:00.29 | maiek | ponders why someone would still have aol cds |
| 11:00.42 | jetscreamer | i know a guy with a collection |
| 11:00.47 | jetscreamer | my boss |
| 11:00.54 | jetscreamer | he's a packrat |
| 11:00.55 | maiek | that's like serial killer scary |
| 11:01.00 | enouf | makes great head cleavers? |
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| 11:01.02 | darkbulb | !ops the turkey is pming me |
| 11:01.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: darkbulb complains about: the turkey is pming me |
| 11:01.15 | jetscreamer | not an intended collection, but he won't toss them |
| 11:01.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonder what you expect ops to do |
| 11:01.19 | enouf | darkbulb: use /ignore |
| 11:01.39 | darkbulb | thanks enouf |
| 11:01.41 | enouf | darkbulb: do /whois turkey |
| 11:01.46 | enouf | or /who |
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| 11:02.10 | jetscreamer | he won't lose the aol either.. i think finally he did but not on purpose.. they quit partnering with the cable company and he lost his account |
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| 11:02.23 | jetscreamer | or something like that |
| 11:02.36 | enouf | jetscreamer: IIRC, i think nvz said something about using them for wallpaper in his workshop or something |
| 11:02.36 | darkbulb | :) |
| 11:02.51 | jetscreamer | they don't make very good frisbees |
| 11:03.00 | jetscreamer | suck for skeet, too |
| 11:03.03 | tuantub | hi, im using debian lenny, when i looked in rc2.d, i wondered that udev would not be started |
| 11:03.06 | darkbulb | they make great targets |
| 11:03.18 | enouf | use a dremel and form them into chinese stars ;-) |
| 11:03.18 | darkbulb | stationary targets |
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| 11:03.30 | jetscreamer | tuantub: what? |
| 11:03.41 | jetscreamer | you mean it's not, but should be? |
| 11:03.42 | enouf | tuantub: it loads much earlier |
| 11:03.49 | tuantub | now i want to start udev on boot, whicht sequence number would i use ? |
| 11:04.02 | jetscreamer | udev just starts |
| 11:04.05 | enouf | tuantub: find /etc -name '*udev*' |
| 11:04.22 | enouf | tuantub: find /etc -name '*udev*' -type f (even) |
| 11:04.23 | jetscreamer | getting rid of udev is getting harder and harder though |
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| 11:05.01 | tuantub | /etc/init.d/udev |
| 11:05.02 | tuantub | /etc/init.d/udev-mtab |
| 11:05.02 | tuantub | /etc/udev/udev.conf |
| 11:05.03 | tuantub | /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules |
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| 11:05.37 | enouf | oh .. it loads from the initrd .. silly me |
| 11:06.23 | enouf | there used to be some /rc?.d/S02udevscript or something IIRC |
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| 11:06.30 | tuantub | so, you can see that there is no symlink of udev in /etc/rcX.d |
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| 11:06.39 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 11:06.55 | jetscreamer | udev just starts |
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| 11:07.13 | jetscreamer | way before init2 or whatever |
| 11:07.20 | enouf | # Required-Start: mountkernfs |
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| 11:08.09 | tuantub | jetscreamer: :-/ |
| 11:08.18 | enouf | which mentions # Default-Start: S |
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| 11:08.46 | tuantub | jetscreamer: no symlink of /etc/init.d/udev in /etc/rc2.d but udev would be started ? |
| 11:08.49 | tuantub | :-/ |
| 11:08.50 | jetscreamer | tuantub: he's saying it loads from the initrd, and is listing things fromt hat afaict |
| 11:08.51 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 11:09.09 | enouf | tuantub: [07:03:03] <enouf> oh .. it loads from the initrd .. silly me |
| 11:09.10 | jetscreamer | well there is usually such a symlink i think.. cant rem |
| 11:10.03 | jetscreamer | well rather, there is such in /etc/init.d |
| 11:10.14 | jetscreamer | afa rc.2 i dunno |
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| 11:10.32 | tuantub | could anyone look into /etc/rc2.d for udev ? |
| 11:10.53 | jetscreamer | it's not there |
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| 11:10.58 | jetscreamer | why would it be |
| 11:11.00 | enouf | it's never been there tuantub |
| 11:11.06 | enouf | it |
| 11:11.10 | jetscreamer | there is one in /etc/init.d though |
| 11:11.12 | enouf | if anywhere it |
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| 11:11.18 | enouf | fck |
| 11:11.27 | jetscreamer | probably for shutdown |
| 11:11.27 | enouf | if anywhere it's been in rcS.d/ |
| 11:11.59 | enouf | !reference |
| 11:11.59 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version is at http://qref.sf.net/ , also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is "debian-reference": 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 11:12.01 | tuantub | okey, we re going to my next problem :D |
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| 11:12.22 | enouf | wait .. got an old Etch i can chroot into .. one sec |
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| 11:12.52 | tuantub | enouf: thanks, i have a link to udev in rcS.d :D |
| 11:13.40 | enouf | oh shit ... nothing there :-P |
| 11:13.44 | unixluser | how do i find out which package provides wpa_passphrase? |
| 11:13.52 | enouf | !apt-file |
| 11:13.52 | dpkg | well, apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
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| 11:14.32 | unixluser | thanks |
| 11:14.48 | enouf | er .. i have a S03udev ... wtf with my find? |
| 11:15.10 | tuantub | enouf: i think i can now figure my all problems, thanks you all :) |
| 11:15.33 | enouf | fuck .. it was the -type f |
| 11:15.51 | enouf | a symlink isn't considered a normal file |
| 11:15.52 | tuantub | enouf: i dont know, with you find command was 30udev not be shown |
| 11:15.59 | enouf | S03 |
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| 11:16.13 | tuantub | enouf: a, okey, its a symlink :D |
| 11:16.14 | enouf | tuantub: remove the -type f part |
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| 11:17.02 | tuantub | enouf: yes, problem solved! |
| 11:17.24 | tuantub | many thanks to the community ;) |
| 11:17.28 | Stanlin | back |
| 11:17.39 | shyam_k | how many in this world would be having their living solely from free software works as freelancing software developers or as sys admins or as activists or policy consultants..? |
| 11:17.39 | Stanlin | hello My communist friends |
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| 11:18.08 | shyam_k | Stanlin: you have an n extra in the middle or you are different from stalin? |
| 11:18.23 | olderdebian | Is 3.1 (sarge) still maintained? |
| 11:19.06 | enouf | shyam_k: i think he wanted to become strangeling and misspelled it :-P |
| 11:19.25 | enouf | olderdebian: no |
| 11:19.39 | olderdebian | 4.0 then? |
| 11:19.40 | enouf | olderdebian: 4.x is though (Etch) |
| 11:19.50 | enouf | !oldstable |
| 11:19.51 | dpkg | hmm... oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Etch (4.0) is now oldstable. Ask me about <oldstable security> and consider upgrading your boxes from oldstable to stable (ask me about <oldstable->stable>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
| 11:20.29 | shyam_k | btw are any of the debian developers or anyone associated with debian paid directly or indirectly? |
| 11:20.57 | Stanlin | shyam_k: no, im Stanlin, new in the town |
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| 11:22.31 | olderdebian | I recall a discussion a long time ago that Etch (or some other version) changes the license of libc in it from LGPL to GPL. Where can I find definitive info about this? |
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| 11:23.47 | shyam_k | olderdebian: why would one still need support for sarge? like there are machines who can't be upgraded once in such long years too? |
| 11:23.55 | shyam_k | s/who/which/ |
| 11:24.55 | enouf | olderdebian: do to debian.org and look for Policy and/or DFSG |
| 11:25.08 | enouf | s/do/go/ |
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| 11:28.20 | olderdebian | enouf: http://www.debian.org/social_contract I don't see how it answers my question though |
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| 11:32.11 | olderdebian | shyam_k: the users of my software need old libc support, so I have to have an old Linux to build/test it. I'm thinking Etch or CentOS 4. |
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| 11:32.20 | lolufail | hi there! |
| 11:33.00 | shyam_k | olderdebian: ok. just asked .. |
| 11:33.07 | lolufail | libvirt wont install my lenny (inside lenny host), could that be because of inactive intel VT? I thought libvirt supported qemu as well? http://pastebin.com/m3e807216 |
| 11:33.31 | dustybin | what ownership should go to web content /var/www on debian? |
| 11:33.38 | dustybin | www-data:root ? |
| 11:33.51 | dustybin | or root:root ? |
| 11:34.12 | lolufail | dustybin: www-data:www-data |
| 11:34.28 | dustybin | lolufail: serious? |
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| 11:34.39 | dustybin | lolufail: so when im messing around with web files |
| 11:34.46 | lolufail | dustybin: thats what I do |
| 11:34.47 | dustybin | i should: su www-data ? |
| 11:35.10 | dustybin | otherwise i will need to keep on manually changing |
| 11:35.11 | lolufail | sure why not |
| 11:35.15 | dustybin | ok frank |
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| 11:36.58 | ribasushi | jetscreamer: if you are interested, this is my current ruleset http://pastebin.com/m4e31fe94 |
| 11:37.01 | lolufail | anybody on my virt-install problem? |
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| 11:38.38 | jetscreamer | hm |
| 11:39.27 | dustybin | would you say this is good ownership |
| 11:39.29 | dustybin | -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 38 Apr 2 21:09 index.html |
| 11:39.45 | dustybin | something tells me, it should really be |
| 11:39.48 | dustybin | root:www-data |
| 11:40.50 | asg | dustybin: as long as the webserver never needs to write to that file (and it shouldn't in most cases), then root:www-data is the better choice. |
| 11:41.04 | dustybin | ace :) |
| 11:41.13 | dustybin | i had a feeling |
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| 11:42.44 | Eulex | !ftpmustdie |
| 11:42.45 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 11:43.30 | dustybin | asg: if my web server got cracked, the attacker could change anything under the www-data ownership, do you think its a good idea to keep .htaccess root only? |
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| 11:44.20 | dustybin | coming to think of things, maybe if its all best left as root |
| 11:44.47 | dustybin | apache gets cracked, the attacker would be the www-data user |
| 11:45.20 | asg | nods |
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| 11:46.03 | darkbulb | I am having a problem with grub passing control to debian. passing grub the values of boot and root with a recheck option causes a kernal panic 9.2576 attempted to kill init |
| 11:46.43 | darkbulb | passing grubs root gives me a limited shell called busybox |
| 11:47.51 | darkbulb | does anyone know why grub tries to kill init |
| 11:48.04 | dustybin | asg: the only files what should have some www-data ownership, are the files you allow apache to write to, otherwise, everything else should be root:root |
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| 11:48.33 | asg | dustybin: root:root and world readable or root:www-data and wither permissions 640. |
| 11:48.41 | asg | dustybin: the latter is preferrable |
| 11:48.44 | dustybin | ok |
| 11:48.49 | dustybin | good point |
| 11:49.04 | ribasushi | Eulex: what's the alternative to ftp? :) |
| 11:49.24 | Eulex | ribasushi, sftp, for example. rsync in some situations. |
| 11:49.32 | dustybin | asg: you dont really want your web content to be world readable |
| 11:49.43 | dustybin | root:www-data 640 sounds good |
| 11:49.59 | ribasushi | Eulex: but sftp addresses the security issue only |
| 11:50.01 | unixluser | hello any of you using rt61pci-module wireless pci card for desktop? I'm using latest stable kernel, and have obtained firmware-ralink package, yet ifconfig still shows wlan0 instead of ral0 (mostly seen in wikis) |
| 11:50.10 | ribasushi | Eulex: which for anon-ftp is a non-issue |
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| 11:50.35 | unixluser | I have consulted the ubuntu guide on rt61pci, but process interupted when i get to #iwpriv ral0 ... |
| 11:50.48 | unixluser | subsituting wlan0 for ral0 gave me ioctl error |
| 11:50.53 | cahoot | and if you use wlan0? |
| 11:50.58 | cahoot | doh |
| 11:51.43 | unixluser | dmesg/ pci-scans shows appropriate revision for guide use |
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| 11:51.49 | cahoot | unixluser: does the udev rule correspond to the corret MAC? |
| 11:52.08 | unixluser | and what bugs me is that i got this working a long time ago.. since lost track of wich files i needed to modify |
| 11:52.13 | dustybin | asg: 0750 are better permissions |
| 11:52.20 | Eulex | ribasushi, sftp adresses point 1, 2 and 4 too. but yes, I would believe the roundtrip issues are still there. scp may be better in that regard. |
| 11:52.26 | unixluser | cahoot: hi. one sec.. i'll try to find the rule |
| 11:52.45 | asg | dustybin: not for a text file, no |
| 11:52.49 | flower | I'm trying ssh, but get: ssh: Could not resolve hostname Dell-desktop: Name or service not known |
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| 11:53.52 | unixluser | cahoot: yep. rt61pci for right macaddress with KERNEL=="wlan*", NAME="wlan0" |
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| 11:54.14 | dustybin | asg: why not? |
| 11:54.19 | dustybin | asg: what difference does it make? |
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| 11:55.37 | cahoot | unixluser: no complaint about firmware or such ig you modprobe -r and modprobe the module? |
| 11:56.56 | enouf | unixluser: are you using a *buntu or debian? |
| 11:57.02 | unixluser | enouf: found http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5249 |
| 11:57.05 | unixluser | enouf: debian |
| 11:57.17 | unixluser | cahoot: nope. i've already fetch the firmware- package |
| 11:57.18 | enouf | unixluser: ls /sys/class/net |
| 11:57.21 | enouf | !70 |
| 11:57.22 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 11:57.34 | cahoot | unixluser: also checked dmesg? |
| 11:57.47 | unixluser | i don't mind the aesthetic part of it |
| 11:58.02 | unixluser | as long as it works alright |
| 11:58.04 | unixluser | cahoot: no errors |
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| 11:58.14 | unixluser | for all i know, every is working well |
| 11:58.28 | unixluser | enouf: nothing amiss |
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| 11:58.51 | unixluser | +thing |
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| 12:00.30 | unixluser | iwlist wlan0 scanning shows (correct) nearby router |
| 12:00.47 | unixluser | at Quality=68/70 Signal level=-42 dBm |
| 12:00.59 | cahoot | so it really does work, just fire up wpa_supplican then |
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| 12:02.09 | enouf | has no idea anymore what the issue is |
| 12:02.11 | unixluser | cahoot: why does iwpriv fail? |
| 12:02.19 | unixluser | s/does/would/ |
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| 12:02.40 | cahoot | no idea - never got iwpriv to work as advertised in debian |
| 12:02.45 | unixluser | but i'll try to define parms in the conf file anyway |
| 12:02.48 | enouf | !wpasupplicant |
| 12:02.49 | dpkg | wpa is, like, Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
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| 12:04.31 | Polarina | I wonder if I could jam a WiFi network with my laptop... |
| 12:05.08 | enouf | try molasses |
| 12:05.29 | enouf | er .. marmalade :-P |
| 12:06.17 | Polarina | enouf: With a software, not food. |
| 12:06.40 | enouf | food works though |
| 12:07.10 | Polarina | enouf: I want to cause interference one the radio frequency the network runs on. |
| 12:07.34 | enouf | try a microwave oven or something then |
| 12:07.48 | enouf | runs |
| 12:08.49 | Polarina | enouf: I would prefer a laptop, not to raise suspicion. |
| 12:10.04 | Polarina | Oh, well. I might as well spam UDP packets to the broadcast. |
| 12:10.05 | enouf | try a Ham |
| 12:10.12 | enouf | Radio .. that is :-P |
| 12:11.00 | enouf | Polarina: i obviously have no idea ... so i'll stop teasing you now |
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| 12:11.06 | Chunky | http://www.startpanic.com/ :| |
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| 12:12.28 | Polarina | Chunky: JavaScript ftw! |
| 12:12.56 | Chunky | <3 noscript |
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| 12:19.42 | zhxk | hello, is there a way let putty has color output to command ls to debian on ssh session? |
| 12:20.03 | hifi | export TERM=xterm-color |
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| 12:20.29 | hifi | and/or alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
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| 12:30.41 | zhxk | hifi:how to set ls --color=auto as default a setting to ls? |
| 12:30.50 | hifi | .bashrc |
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| 12:31.12 | zhxk | how to manage .bashrc? |
| 12:31.18 | machtfuernacht | Con someone help me to configure unique overlay in slapd.conf? |
| 12:31.32 | lillis | make an alias alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 12:31.44 | jetscreamer | it's in there iirc |
| 12:31.48 | jetscreamer | just uncomment it |
| 12:31.56 | jetscreamer | or is that profile |
| 12:32.03 | lillis | its in my .bashrc at least |
| 12:32.44 | jetscreamer | then source .bashrc |
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| 12:33.51 | machtfuernacht | No Openldap gurus available? |
| 12:34.01 | zhxk | have done it, thanks all |
| 12:34.26 | jetscreamer | oh yeah, editor |
| 12:34.29 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 12:35.13 | zhxk | well, how about vim? it seems not colorful to c source file. |
| 12:35.45 | machtfuernacht | take a look at /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 12:35.46 | enouf | is it the -highlight option? |
| 12:36.02 | machtfuernacht | uncomment the "syntax on" line |
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| 12:36.57 | sky_1 | !squeeze |
| 12:36.57 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the Xfce archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze |
| 12:37.20 | Stanlin | squeeze cant even support proper hibernation... |
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| 12:38.00 | sky_1 | im looking for netinstall |
| 12:38.02 | enouf | in soviet russia hibernation squeezes you! |
| 12:38.33 | enouf | !d-i |
| 12:38.34 | dpkg | 5.0 lenny is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 14, 2009). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Etch is still available from http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ . Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot @ irc.oftc.net. Also ask me about <errata>. |
| 12:38.50 | enouf | see last url there sky_1 |
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| 12:39.19 | sky_1 | this : http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
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| 12:42.13 | enouf | sky_1: yes |
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| 12:43.09 | enouf | hover/click over * netinst (generally 135-175 MB) and businesscard (generally 20-50 MB) CD images [alpha][amd64][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc] |
| 12:43.54 | sky_1 | enouf: i was confued with this -> Debian Installer lenny release candidate 2 |
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| 12:44.21 | enouf | sky_1: i know , it's ok - me too, and others |
| 12:45.02 | sky_1 | thank you for your explaint and your time :) |
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| 12:56.51 | zhxk | machtfuernacht:i've looked through /etc/vim/vimrc, there is no commented "syntax on" line in it, i've set syntax on in vim, it seems has no effect |
| 12:57.13 | jordy | hello can somebody me some info i wanna download debian i just want a basic system i already try the netinstall not it does not detect my LAN |
| 12:57.42 | jordy | do i really need al 5 debian DVD's ??? |
| 12:58.12 | NiLon | no you don't need all :p |
| 12:58.21 | jordy | only dvd 1 ? |
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| 12:58.58 | machtfuernacht | zhxk which packages did you install? |
| 12:59.13 | zhxk | machtfuernacht:vim |
| 12:59.35 | machtfuernacht | install vim-full and try again |
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| 13:00.00 | NiLon | jordy The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system. To avoid needless downloads, please do not download other CD or DVD image files unless you know that you need packages on them. |
| 13:00.22 | sky_1 | i love netinstall isos |
| 13:00.24 | jordy | oke thanks |
| 13:01.08 | sky_1 | anyone here use Debian unstable version ? |
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| 13:02.27 | NiLon | sky_1 yes, someone will for sure |
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| 13:03.27 | NiLon | i've heard rumor that even backports are used |
| 13:03.32 | enouf | machtfuernacht: and zhxk vim-common: /etc/vim/vimrc |
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| 13:03.56 | enouf | dlocate ftw |
| 13:04.30 | enouf | judd: info dlocate |
| 13:04.31 | judd | enouf: dlocate (utils): is optional; Version: 0.96.1; Size: 17.5k; Installed: 152k -- fast alternative to dpkg -L and dpkg -S |
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| 13:07.32 | zhxk | machtfuernacht:dunno what's take place, i copied its example file to replace vimrc, and a basic color highlight is shown |
| 13:08.46 | bolt | zhxk: :syntax on ? |
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| 13:10.01 | bolt | sky_1: pretty sure someone in here also uses potato |
| 13:10.06 | bolt | sky_1: somewhere... |
| 13:10.17 | bolt | actually, we still have one of those at work. nobody dares touch it |
| 13:10.23 | d-b | bolt: i hope not. |
| 13:10.45 | sky_1 | lol |
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| 13:11.31 | zhxk | bolt:yes |
| 13:12.09 | machtfuernacht | I have still my problem with uniqueness and ldap attributes. Any openldap guru available? |
| 13:12.16 | sky_1 | i thought as primary os :) |
| 13:12.34 | zhxk | bolt:but very simple, defined functions and variables should be highlighted also, it it's not on vim |
| 13:12.37 | sky_1 | because always there are latest things |
| 13:13.24 | bolt | sky_1: sure, someone probably does. someone with a lot of time on their hands to manage broken packages |
| 13:13.52 | bolt | sky_1: or one of those "i'll get sid working and then never update again. EVER!" people. weird bunch... |
| 13:14.12 | sky_1 | you use stable as primary or testing ? |
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| 13:14.24 | bolt | sky_1: both |
| 13:14.38 | bolt | sky_1: i use testing on some machines, stable on others. always stable on my servers |
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| 13:16.46 | darkbulb | I repartitioned and reformatted the drives as part of the debian install routine. /dev/hda is the boot and root drve with a1 as boot and a2 as root. I told debian to install grub to /dev/hda which it did without complaint now I am getting error 17 |
| 13:16.59 | darkbulb | Debian did the format |
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| 13:17.32 | darkbulb | as ext3 - why is grub not taking the geometery it was given as part of the install routine |
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| 13:19.10 | g00se_ | My lcd monitor's just developed a short 1px green line: any way i can give it an electronic slap? |
| 13:19.11 | lord_rob | sky_1: I once asked the same question as you, it was some time ago (when woody was stable) "Does someone use Sid here ?" and I was answered "no we all use Woody" and I hardly could feel the irony :-D |
| 13:19.17 | machtfuernacht | darkbulb take a look in /boot/grub/device.map is the mapping correct? |
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| 13:19.31 | sky_1 | :D |
| 13:19.59 | darkbulb | cant tell off hand need to walk over and live cd boot |
| 13:20.03 | sky_1 | i will use testing always |
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| 13:20.46 | lord_rob | I discovered Debian by using Sid, and I've never quit Sid but that's a matter of choice |
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| 13:21.11 | trupheenix | dpkg pkg-config |
| 13:21.11 | dpkg | somebody said pkg-config was annoying! |
| 13:21.13 | machtfuernacht | darkbulb then check it and if not edit the file and install grub again |
| 13:21.16 | sky_1 | i am a lazy guy ^_o |
| 13:21.27 | trupheenix | my pkg-config utility is not working help |
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| 13:21.37 | trupheenix | dpkg apt |
| 13:21.37 | dpkg | APT is the Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache>, or http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ |
| 13:21.44 | lord_rob | so am I ;-) hence the #debian :p sky_1 |
| 13:21.49 | nkuttler | !tell trupheenix about errors |
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| 13:23.06 | trupheenix | nkuttler: when i do echo `pkg-config gtk+-2.0` i get nothing |
| 13:24.13 | sky_1 | lord_rob: i used as my primary Ubuntu/ Fedora now i want try Debian with KDE 4.2.3 |
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| 13:24.40 | darkbulb | file is okay partition table is okay |
| 13:25.17 | gumbox | how do i set up for all the traffic to go thourgh a proxy? i know how to set the browser to use a proxy.. but i wanted my whole traffic to... |
| 13:25.29 | gumbox | can't seem to do it =\ |
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| 13:26.26 | vilemaxim | GOSA question. Trying to setup gosa and cannot seem to get past it's need for pear kadm5. I've installed kerberos and php-auth which claims to have the pear kerberos stuff, but the web interface to configure gosa still says it is still needed. Any one have a clue? |
| 13:26.55 | trupheenix | nkuttler: ? :) |
| 13:26.55 | darkbulb | machtfuernacht: file is okay partition table is okay |
| 13:27.30 | lord_rob | I see, I've never tried Ubuntu a lot but I think it's a great idea if it can bring more people to Linux ;-) |
| 13:27.49 | lord_rob | My first linux experience was Red Hat 5.1 |
| 13:28.03 | lord_rob | then SUSE 6.1 |
| 13:28.21 | lord_rob | (but it's oftopic) |
| 13:28.48 | vilemaxim | gumbox: 2 ways... you can set proxy setting in the dns server |
| 13:28.52 | sky_1 | can we continue on query ? :D |
| 13:29.06 | lord_rob | if you are logged |
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| 13:29.51 | vilemaxim | gumbox: the other way is what is called "ip hijacking" (if I remember correctly) which will force traffic through the proxy. I've never set this up before and I think it has problems |
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| 13:30.24 | vilemaxim | gumbox: does that help? |
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| 13:32.29 | machtfuernacht | darkbulb install it again anyway |
| 13:32.43 | darkbulb | okay |
| 13:32.46 | gumbox | how would i go about the first option? |
| 13:32.55 | vilemaxim | does anyone having pear auth working with kerberos.... is there something more I need to do other than install php-auth? |
| 13:33.43 | vilemaxim | gumbox: please use my name in the beginning. I get lost in the clutter sometimes. |
| 13:34.13 | gumbox | alright.. sorry |
| 13:34.13 | vilemaxim | gumbox: Depends on you dns server |
| 13:34.30 | vilemaxim | gumbox: I use dnsmasq mostly |
| 13:34.44 | vilemaxim | gumbox: give me a sec and I'll pull my settings |
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| 13:37.09 | vilemaxim | gumbox: dhcp-option=252,http://hostname/proxy.pac < I forgot about this script. |
| 13:37.30 | gumbox | my router sets everything for me |
| 13:37.34 | gumbox | i guess... |
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| 13:38.10 | vilemaxim | gumbox: some routers allow you to set dhcp options |
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| 13:38.21 | vilemaxim | gumbox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_auto-config |
| 13:38.49 | trupheenix | can any one help me? my pkg-config doesn't work. when i do echo `pkg-config gtk+-2.0`, i get nothing. :( |
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| 13:40.13 | Wyzard | trupheenix: You have to use an option like --cflags or --libs |
| 13:40.52 | gumbox | vilemaxim: i'm gonna go and read some docs on those dnsmasq and the like... then i come back.. thanks very much ;] |
| 13:40.58 | trupheenix | Wyzard: ok but isn't pkg-config supposed to do that for me? |
| 13:41.10 | trupheenix | Wyzard: the .pc file is in place. everything is there. but i get no o/p |
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| 13:41.41 | vilemaxim | gumbox: no problem.. sorry I'm not more help |
| 13:41.48 | Wyzard | trupheenix: That's because you haven't told pkg-config what output you want |
| 13:42.00 | trupheenix | Wyzard: oh!!! |
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| 13:42.08 | trupheenix | bangs head against wall |
| 13:42.12 | Wyzard | trupheenix: hence --cflags or --libs |
| 13:42.14 | trupheenix | needs to sleep |
| 13:42.34 | trupheenix | Wyzard: thanks for pointing out my mistake |
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| 13:44.03 | xing_ | i am new to Debian,may i ask two questions about hardware? |
| 13:44.57 | myeggo | hello to all |
| 13:45.11 | obcecado | dont ask to ask, just ask, somebody will answer |
| 13:45.42 | vilemaxim | !ask |
| 13:45.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org, or <htasq> |
| 13:46.33 | obcecado | yeah, that |
| 13:46.49 | xing_ | thanks, how to use the i810 driver instead of intel for i845 video card? |
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| 13:47.11 | Wyzard | Don't they both use the same driver? |
| 13:47.15 | Wyzard | the "intel" driver |
| 13:47.37 | Wyzard | or maybe that's only for newer GPUs; I'm not sure |
| 13:47.44 | xing_ | by default intel |
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| 13:47.51 | Wyzard | oh, sorry, I misread youre question |
| 13:48.13 | Wyzard | You can specify Driver "i810" in xorg.conf |
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| 13:48.40 | xing_ | how to do |
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| 13:49.12 | vilemaxim | Wyzard: xing: can you still use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org If you can that is easier |
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| 13:49.14 | Wyzard | or you can just uninstall xserver-xorg-video-intel, so that when it autodetects what driver to use, it won't use that one |
| 13:49.20 | ajavid | no |
| 13:49.35 | ajavid | you cannot |
| 13:49.45 | ajavid | you have to look at a sample xorg.conf |
| 13:49.58 | ajavid | then simply create a device section, and use 'drive' 'i810' or whatever |
| 13:50.02 | ajavid | 'driver' |
| 13:50.08 | trupheenix | how can i get the latest version of libsoup as a debian package? |
| 13:50.15 | Wyzard | xing_: What's in your xorg.conf now? |
| 13:50.20 | xing_ | video-intel can't be removed |
| 13:50.28 | Schuenemann | my card is x3100, if yours is the same I can paste my xorg.conf |
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| 13:50.40 | ajavid | it doesn't matter what card |
| 13:50.52 | Schuenemann | I mean if his card uses the same driver |
| 13:50.53 | vilemaxim | trupheenix: not sure, but I would hit apt-get.org... or just google for it |
| 13:50.54 | ajavid | all he needs is a device driver directive in xorg.conf to override the autodetection done by xorg |
| 13:50.56 | xing_ | mine intel 845 |
| 13:51.11 | Wyzard | xing_: it can be removed, but you have to remove xserver-xorg-video-all as well |
| 13:51.18 | ajavid | obviously xorg isn't loading the correct driver automagically, so you have to override via xorg.conf |
| 13:51.21 | ajavid | is trivial really |
| 13:51.34 | Wyzard | xing_: I'd do the xorg.conf thing rather than uninstalling the intel driver |
| 13:51.42 | ajavid | I second that |
| 13:52.04 | Wyzard | xing_: Why do you need to use the legacy i810 driver rather than the newer intel driver anyway, btw? |
| 13:52.09 | vilemaxim | trupheenix: or backports.org. if it is really important you can grab it from unstable if it is there. |
| 13:52.36 | xing_ | for higher resolution rate |
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| 13:53.10 | vilemaxim | trupheenix: grabbing it from unstable is sort of the worst option because it's probably compiled for a different set of libraries and whatnot |
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| 13:53.20 | ajavid | !ssd |
| 13:53.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, ssd is (Solid State Disk) The D in SSD is really a misnomer. SSD storage is basically a huge block of RAM chips that functions like a hard drive. SSD drives (obviously) are extremely expensive, but offer very high data speeds that are necessary in some applications. They can also be used as large caches on huge RAID subsystems. |
| 13:53.23 | ajavid | doh |
| 13:53.24 | ajavid | !ssb |
| 13:53.25 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 13:53.27 | xing_ | in Ubuntu 8.04.i810 can be used,but lenny not |
| 13:54.01 | matt7676 | When I start a program on a terminal(for example gaim, firefox, gedit), I`ll get Core Dump(Bus error) message. When I try to open programs via GUI(Gnome), they just will not open. Fortunately, I had Pidgin open with some IRC channels. What might be the problem? |
| 13:54.09 | Wyzard | xing_: Ubuntu 8.04 is over a year old, and the intel driver was still in development back then so it wasn't the default |
| 13:54.26 | Wyzard | xing_: but the intel driver is newer and should be able to do anything that the i810 driver can |
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| 13:56.24 | xing_ | but the intel driver can not give the 1280x1024 rate |
| 13:56.38 | vilemaxim | matt7676: not sure, but assuming you rebooted... or at least logout and killed everything running under your user then logged back in... it could by corrupt dot files in your home dir |
| 13:57.04 | Wyzard | xing_: actually, I just checked and xserver-xorg-video-i810 is a transitional package that just pulls in xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 13:57.15 | Wyzard | xing_: so you cannot use the i810 driver in lenny because it no longer exists |
| 13:57.32 | Wyzard | xing_: and yes, the intel driver can do 1280x1024 |
| 13:57.33 | enouf | and neither does 915resolution |
| 13:57.38 | jordy | does anyone know a way to use the netinstall disk with RTL8101E ? |
| 13:57.58 | machtfuernacht | Any OpenLdap guru out there? |
| 13:58.26 | vilemaxim | matt7676: could he bad ram or harddrive. I would try creating a new user and trying that account. |
| 13:58.50 | xing_ | how to configure the intel driver to get the 1280x1024 rate? |
| 13:58.57 | vilemaxim | matt7676: if that still fails I would try the ram and harddrive. I use http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ |
| 13:59.16 | Wyzard | xing_: in fact, the intel driver uses a different way of configuring the card that should be able to use resolutions that the i810 driver couldn't |
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| 13:59.41 | vilemaxim | machtfuernacht: I'm more of a want-a-be thought I might be able to help... |
| 13:59.44 | vilemaxim | thought/though |
| 13:59.45 | xing_ | how to do/ |
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| 13:59.59 | machtfuernacht | vilemaxim I have a problem with overlay unique |
| 14:00.03 | Wyzard | xing_: What type of monitor are you using? Is it a laptop's built-in LCD? |
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| 14:00.24 | xing_ | a LCD |
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| 14:00.40 | machtfuernacht | vilemaxim http://pastebin.com/m192094e6 problem description |
| 14:00.53 | enouf | jordy: /msg dpkg installer firmware is no help? |
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| 14:01.36 | Wyzard | xing_: The driver should be automatically detecting the LCD's native resolution and using that, so if it isn't, it's a matter of troubleshooting why it isn't, not just configuring it |
| 14:01.50 | Wyzard | xing_: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:02.00 | vilemaxim | machtfuernacht: hmmm... yeah... sorry... nevermind... you do need a guru :) |
| 14:02.14 | machtfuernacht | Damn :P |
| 14:02.38 | machtfuernacht | and in #linux an extreme ideling contest takes place |
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| 14:03.14 | vilemaxim | machtfuernacht: I have a few ldap boxes up and running... if a conf file would help you |
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| 14:04.19 | machtfuernacht | No except for the unique thing everything does what it should |
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| 14:04.41 | vilemaxim | machtfuernacht: good luck ? |
| 14:04.52 | machtfuernacht | thx |
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| 14:05.34 | matt7676 | vilemaxim: it`s a LiveCD I am using. However, I switched to runlevel 3 and could execute "apt-get update". The output was interesting. I got SQUSHFS errors(all were some kind of "unable to read block x"). However, it is a LiveCD and I have no HDD attached. |
| 14:05.41 | vilemaxim | machtfuernacht: I'm working on moving everything over to GOsa myself. Hoping that helps with some of the ldap problem I have |
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| 14:06.33 | ajavid | matt7676, if its not a debian live, we can't help you |
| 14:06.47 | vilemaxim | matt7676: not sure. Most live cds have memtest86+ durring the boot. also most have a "check cd for errors". I would start therer. |
| 14:06.51 | Wyzard | matt7676: squashfs unreadable-block errors on a liveCD means your CD has physical read errors due to a bad burn |
| 14:07.37 | ajavid | Wyzard, I get 88x89 or some such dpi by X |
| 14:07.45 | matt7676 | ajavid: it is a ubuntu, but those two should be closely related |
| 14:07.47 | ajavid | Wyzard, I have to specify manually 100dpi or else |
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| 14:07.55 | ajavid | matt7676, yeh... no |
| 14:07.58 | ajavid | !based on debian |
| 14:07.58 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 14:08.04 | ajavid | !ubuntu |
| 14:08.05 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 14:08.14 | matt7676 | Wyzard: is SQUASH some kind of File System used on CD`s? |
| 14:08.31 | Wyzard | ajavid: xorg calculates DPI based on the number of pixels and the physical dimensions reported by the monitor... 88x89 is probably actually correct |
| 14:08.43 | ajavid | Wyzard, its not really |
| 14:08.45 | Wyzard | matt7676: yess, squashfs is a compressed read-only filesystem often used on liveCDs |
| 14:08.46 | ajavid | at all |
| 14:08.50 | ajavid | Wyzard, I calculated it |
| 14:08.58 | ajavid | Wyzard, I asked #radeon and xorg and its wrong |
| 14:09.15 | ajavid | next radeon driver will supposedly automatically get everything right |
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| 14:09.40 | ajavid | and 7.5 is rumored to be 100% correct in detection, supposedly, at least for my hw |
| 14:09.44 | Wyzard | ajavid: ah, so a bug in the driver... that's a different story |
| 14:09.56 | ajavid | yeh |
| 14:09.59 | ajavid | but it IS a story! ;) |
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| 14:10.18 | Wyzard | ajavid: I don't use any radeons, but I've never had any DPI calculation problems with the nvidia or intel drivers |
| 14:10.30 | ajavid | Wyzard, I don't get this with fglrx |
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| 14:10.37 | ajavid | so it has to be radeon, and then I confirmed it |
| 14:10.49 | xing_ | wyzard: i am now using Ubuntu 8.04.2 |
| 14:11.30 | ajavid | I am about 60 fet from the router and I ave 90% signal |
| 14:11.32 | ajavid | :D |
| 14:11.39 | ajavid | nice |
| 14:11.52 | matt7676 | Wyzard: ok, so probably LiveCD works in that way, it copies programs totally into RAM when started- this explains why I can use Pidgin, which I had opened earlier, but can not open any other new program. |
| 14:12.18 | ajavid | with live cds you can even install software, and save your stuff |
| 14:12.21 | ajavid | knoppix lets you do that |
| 14:12.27 | ajavid | if you know how, you can get debian live to do the same |
| 14:12.39 | ajavid | save your changes, keep a live image on usb carry it around |
| 14:12.45 | ajavid | install pckages and even keep those |
| 14:13.03 | ajavid | ubuntu does not let you do that |
| 14:13.47 | ajavid | matt7676, but yes, everything is loaded into ram, and into ram is created the root file system |
| 14:14.14 | Wyzard | xing_: If you want to troubleshoot your resolution problem you need to pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log from the intel driver |
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| 14:15.25 | joeLow | hey guys, i want to use the netinstall .iso to install a new debian box, but i want to do this from a usb, im on windows at the moment, anyone suggest a good tool to prepare this? |
| 14:15.53 | asg | joeLow: the install guide covers how to prepare usb sticks for installation. |
| 14:16.11 | Wyzard | but the preparation for a USB stick involves using the "dd" command, IIRC |
| 14:16.18 | joeLow | Ah, ok, thanks guys |
| 14:16.18 | Wyzard | and Windows has no equivalent for that |
| 14:16.34 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.37 | ajavid | yes it does |
| 14:16.45 | xing_ | Wyzard:the first time i tried lenny,intel driver could be removed and i810 could be installed without intel. |
| 14:16.49 | ajavid | unetbootin.sourceforge.something |
| 14:16.58 | Wyzard | xing_: when was that? |
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| 14:17.07 | ajavid | joeLow, use Unetbootin, use it to prepare your usb stick for usb-debian install |
| 14:17.25 | xing_ | Wyzard: and the resolution set to 1280x1024 |
| 14:17.27 | ajavid | joeLow, it will download the gtk installer kernel/initrd and the netinst iso on your usb and prepare it for booting |
| 14:17.47 | joeLow | ajavid: ok, can i do that from windows? |
| 14:17.54 | ajavid | are you seriious? |
| 14:17.57 | ajavid | I just told you |
| 14:18.04 | ajavid | like fucking 10 sec ago |
| 14:18.06 | ajavid | literally. |
| 14:18.15 | joeLow | alright dude, take it easy i was still reading |
| 14:18.35 | ajavid | sorry, just woke up, low tolerance level/patiene |
| 14:18.36 | ajavid | my bad man. |
| 14:18.46 | joeLow | :) |
| 14:19.43 | joeLow | yes, unetootin looks like what im after, thanks |
| 14:19.52 | ajavid | asg, Wyzard, there is no directions to prepare usb from within windows in the installer guide |
| 14:20.03 | ajavid | asg, only from linux is mentioned in ig |
| 14:20.33 | Wyzard | xing_: You may have tried the intel driver while it was still in development |
| 14:20.35 | ajavid | for windows, unetbootin works |
| 14:20.41 | mordy_ | hey |
| 14:20.51 | ajavid | hey israelite! |
| 14:20.55 | mordy_ | lol |
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| 14:20.59 | ajavid | hey buddy whats up |
| 14:21.00 | mordy_ | ROTFL |
| 14:21.08 | ajavid | that was tHAT funny? |
| 14:21.12 | ajavid | I'm a funny fucker eh ;) |
| 14:21.13 | mordy_ | yes it was |
| 14:21.15 | xing_ | another problem for is the hplip |
| 14:21.17 | ajavid | hehehe |
| 14:21.28 | Wyzard | xing_: Now it is finished and has replaced the i810 driver |
| 14:21.38 | mordy_ | meh i want to know if i can make different rules for different repositories |
| 14:21.44 | ajavid | mordy_, pinning |
| 14:21.54 | mordy_ | but pinning is per-package, no? |
| 14:21.57 | ajavid | ajavid, prioritize based on whatever |
| 14:22.00 | ajavid | mordy_, who says? |
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| 14:22.12 | mordy_ | hmm.. |
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| 14:22.16 | ajavid | you can pin source/origin ip/url/domain, per pacakge, per mirror, per release |
| 14:22.19 | ajavid | go read the docs |
| 14:22.20 | ajavid | :) |
| 14:22.27 | mordy_ | aptitude docs? :-S |
| 14:22.30 | ajavid | no |
| 14:22.34 | mordy_ | apt? |
| 14:22.35 | ajavid | man apt.preferences |
| 14:22.36 | ajavid | I think |
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| 14:22.43 | ajavid | !pinning |
| 14:22.43 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 14:22.55 | ajavid | sorry apt_preferences |
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| 14:23.08 | xing_ | Wyzard:but i feel the intel driver is still not stable |
| 14:23.10 | asulao | hello all. I need to restore iptables from a script periodically, say every 5 or 10 minutes. May this usage disrupt connections, or otherwise break any network usage? |
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| 14:24.32 | Wyzard | xing_: I've had no problems with it, though I have a slightly new GPU (i915) than you do |
| 14:24.38 | Wyzard | *newer |
| 14:24.51 | Schuenemann | hey. I downloaded the .zip version of alien arena and it complains about a library that I already have: http://pastebin.ca/1417375 What should I do in this case? |
| 14:25.00 | ajavid | just use alien-arena pacakge |
| 14:25.17 | ajavid | if you need an update, simply grab the sids version of the non-data package, the engine |
| 14:25.25 | ajavid | or whatever |
| 14:25.32 | ajavid | Schuenemann, whats wrong with the pckaged version of this game? |
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| 14:25.49 | ajavid | judd info alien-arena |
| 14:25.49 | judd | ajavid: alien-arena (contrib/games): is extra; Version: 7.0-1; Size: 566.4k; Installed: 1204k -- Standalone 3D first person online deathmatch shooter |
| 14:25.49 | Schuenemann | it wasn't the latest version IIRC |
| 14:25.56 | ajavid | what is the latest version |
| 14:25.57 | xing_ | Wyzard:can you use 1280x1024 or event higher? |
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| 14:26.18 | ajavid | judd versions alien-arena |
| 14:26.19 | judd | ajavid: alien-arena -- lenny/contrib: 7.0-1 sid/contrib: 7.0-1 squeeze/contrib: 7.0-1 |
| 14:26.21 | Wyzard | xing_: My laptop's LCD is 1280x800, and that's what the driver uses automatically |
| 14:26.26 | ajavid | they are all the same, |
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| 14:26.56 | Schuenemann | ajavid, 7.21 |
| 14:27.12 | ajavid | Schuenemann, let me see |
| 14:27.23 | Schuenemann | ajavid, http://icculus.org/alienarena/rpa/aquire.html |
| 14:27.34 | ajavid | Schuenemann, so its looking for the libname.so.1 |
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| 14:27.41 | xing_ | Wyzard:the best rate for my LCD is 1280x1024. |
| 14:27.43 | ajavid | symlink the .so to .so.1 so it finds it |
| 14:27.46 | ajavid | Schuenemann, simpel fix |
| 14:27.54 | Anne | Is there a debian version of a program like grabit? |
| 14:27.58 | Wyzard | xing_: and that's what the driver should be detecting and using |
| 14:28.04 | ajavid | Anne, download manager? |
| 14:28.13 | jayeola | wget? |
| 14:28.13 | ajavid | Anne, website ripper? |
| 14:28.28 | Anne | ajavid: You can leach from newsgroups with those programs? |
| 14:28.36 | ajavid | ahh isee, a news leecher |
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| 14:28.42 | Schuenemann | ajavid, sorry, symlink which one to where? |
| 14:28.43 | ajavid | I have no idea. |
| 14:28.59 | ajavid | Schuenemann, ok, so its looking for ./crx: error while loading shared libraries: libXxf86dga.so.1: |
| 14:29.02 | ajavid | right |
| 14:29.26 | Schuenemann | which is in /usr/lib/ |
| 14:29.27 | ajavid | Schuenemann, so you have /usr/lib/libXxf86dga.so bu not /usr/lib/libXxf86dga.so.1 |
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| 14:29.30 | ajavid | is this correct? |
| 14:29.33 | ajavid | ? |
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| 14:29.39 | Schuenemann | I guess not |
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| 14:29.47 | Schuenemann | libXxf86dga.so: /usr/lib/libXxf86dga.so.1 |
| 14:29.51 | ajavid | so you would symlink so that .1 points to .so |
| 14:29.55 | ajavid | that way your game will find the lib |
| 14:29.57 | ajavid | simple |
| 14:30.07 | ajavid | instead of renaming the lib to .1 |
| 14:30.08 | xing_ | Wyzard:obviously the intel driver has not done the right thing |
| 14:30.12 | ajavid | just cp it or ln -s it |
| 14:30.24 | Schuenemann | libXxf86dga.so: /usr/lib/libXxf86dga.so.1 /usr/lib/libXxf86dga.so /usr/lib64/libXxf86dga.so.1 /usr/lib64/libXxf86dga.so --> this means I only have file libXxf86dga.so ? |
| 14:30.33 | ajavid | I think that should do it, otherwise hang out until someone who is not a noob helpyou |
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| 14:30.38 | Wyzard | xing_: and that's why I asked half an hour ago to see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, to try to figure out why |
| 14:30.42 | jayeola | where in /proc/cpuinfo can one see if a cpu is 64-bit? what flags doe sone look for? |
| 14:30.54 | ajavid | em64t |
| 14:30.59 | jayeola | ty |
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| 14:31.42 | ajavid | but it won't be listed :) |
| 14:32.27 | ajavid | jayeola, just look at your cpu, google it |
| 14:32.31 | Schuenemann | ajavid, I don't get it. In /usr/lib/ there are both .so and .so.1 |
| 14:32.34 | jayeola | funny, grep em64 /proc/cpuinfo not listed but lshw shows that the cpu is 64bits wide |
| 14:32.38 | ajavid | Schuenemann, I see |
| 14:32.46 | xing_ | Wyzard: may i post it later?and how can i give it to you? |
| 14:32.58 | ajavid | Schuenemann, I see |
| 14:33.00 | Wyzard | !tell xing_ about pastebin |
| 14:33.04 | mordy_ | grrr.. numbers |
| 14:33.21 | mordy_ | oh btw i compiled the modules for my sensors, needed to write a Makefile for it |
| 14:33.28 | Wyzard | xing_: I need to leave soon, though |
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| 14:33.39 | ajavid | Schuenemann, no idea |
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| 14:33.54 | Schuenemann | :-/ |
| 14:34.31 | jayeola | soo looks as if lshw is the best bet. thanks ajavid |
| 14:35.13 | ajavid | i wasn't much help |
| 14:35.15 | ajavid | jayeola, yw |
| 14:35.24 | xing_ | Wyzard:_ so i need to reinstall lenny |
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| 14:35.41 | Wyzard | xing_: Why do you think that? |
| 14:35.50 | ajavid | I usually start installing from live cds |
| 14:36.00 | ajavid | I don't reboot until I've my system configured exactly as I want, fully |
| 14:36.15 | ajavid | debootstrap ftw |
| 14:36.30 | Schuenemann | ajavid, this could me related to my /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf ? |
| 14:36.40 | ajavid | Schuenemann, I'm a noob |
| 14:36.44 | Schuenemann | alright |
| 14:36.45 | jayeola | dumb question #486, i've installed lenny i386 onto a 64-bit laptop. works fine. is ia64 for 64-bit boxes? |
| 14:36.48 | ajavid | Schuenemann, I don't know much about 32/64 stuff |
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| 14:37.00 | ajavid | Schuenemann, sorry |
| 14:37.15 | ajavid | ia64 is for inteleron! |
| 14:37.17 | ajavid | heh, itanium |
| 14:37.20 | Wyzard | jayeola: IA64 is for Itanium, which is probably not what you have |
| 14:37.31 | ajavid | amd64 is for em64t/amd cpus |
| 14:37.36 | mordy_ | looks for itanium netbooks |
| 14:37.40 | ajavid | I like to call it inteleron |
| 14:37.41 | Wyzard | jayeola: For AMD64 and Intel 64 processors (e.g. Core 2 Duo, i7, etc.) use "amd64" |
| 14:37.43 | ajavid | its a new chip |
| 14:37.45 | ajavid | I made it up |
| 14:37.51 | ajavid | its like a celeron, only its not |
| 14:37.58 | ajavid | its an inteleron |
| 14:38.02 | xing_ | Wyzard:_more serious for me is the hplip problem |
| 14:38.09 | Wyzard | ajavid: The usual nickname for Itanium is "Itanic", after the ship that sank :-) |
| 14:38.16 | jayeola | yah, pretty much what i thought. just that i'm surprosed that the same debian installer cd works for my 32-bit boxes __and__ 64 bit laptop |
| 14:38.16 | ajavid | I am aware :) |
| 14:38.24 | ajavid | Wyzard, I like to make fun of intel ;) |
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| 14:38.47 | Wyzard | jayeola: The amd64/x64 architecture is backward-compatible |
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| 14:39.03 | ajavid | Wyzard, can you help Schuenemann |
| 14:39.14 | Wyzard | jayeola: It has nothing to do with the Debian installer; it's just that your 64-bit processor can also function as a 32-bit x86 processor |
| 14:39.22 | jayeola | so i could use the amd64-bit cd to install lenny on this lappy? |
| 14:39.26 | ajavid | Wyzard, one more time |
| 14:39.33 | ajavid | Wyzard, does 32bit emulated on amd64 |
| 14:39.40 | ajavid | Wyzard, or is 32 still natively run |
| 14:39.46 | Wyzard | It's run natively, not emulated |
| 14:39.53 | ajavid | thats what I thought |
| 14:39.56 | Wyzard | Itanium needed emulation for 32-bit software and that's why it failed |
| 14:40.00 | ajavid | yup |
| 14:40.03 | ajavid | thas it |
| 14:40.05 | Wyzard | AMD didn't make that mistake when they made their 64-bit architecture |
| 14:40.07 | ajavid | thanks |
| 14:40.14 | ajavid | yeh |
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| 14:40.24 | ajavid | itanium has a 32bit cpu inside the 64bit core |
| 14:40.27 | ajavid | its retarded |
| 14:40.51 | jayeola | so what's best? continue with this (working) install from the 32-bit iso image or do a clean install from the amd 64-bit cd rom? |
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| 14:40.55 | Wyzard | hmm, maybe they changed that later |
| 14:41.04 | ajavid | jayeola, how much ram |
| 14:41.08 | jayeola | 4gb |
| 14:41.12 | Wyzard | I'd do the 64-bit install because running a 32-bit OS feels like wasting half the processor's capabilities |
| 14:41.15 | ajavid | jayeola, less than 4GB, ... yeah stay with 32bits |
| 14:41.26 | ajavid | jayeola, 64bit doesn't mean fast or naything |
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| 14:41.35 | ajavid | its just insignificant everyday desktop usage |
| 14:41.39 | Schuenemann | I have 1 GB and I use 64 bit |
| 14:41.43 | ajavid | it doesnt' matter, unless you're doing number crunching |
| 14:41.50 | Wyzard | Schuenemann: generally libfoo.so is only used for compiling programs that link against the library, and libfoo.so.1 is what's used by already-compiled programs |
| 14:41.51 | ajavid | Schuenemann, you are caching a lot more |
| 14:41.58 | Eulex | integer number crunching |
| 14:42.03 | jayeola | uh, lots of compiling, that's all. |
| 14:42.12 | ajavid | or video encoding |
| 14:42.18 | joeLow | hey guys, ive used unetbootin, and booted the debian install, but its looking for all th modules on the cd-rom, to set the network card up for example. anyone done this before? |
| 14:42.19 | ajavid | transcoding etc. |
| 14:42.31 | Schuenemann | Wyzard, why does it complain if I have both in /usr/lib |
| 14:42.31 | ajavid | joeLow, I just did it last night |
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| 14:42.58 | joeLow | ajavid: cool, do i need to put extra modules onto the usb? |
| 14:43.00 | jayeola | nah, just compiling. also will be running loads of virtual machines with this lappy. think i will stay with the 32-bit after all. |
| 14:43.07 | Wyzard | Schuenemann: It shouldn't; that's a normal situation |
| 14:43.11 | ajavid | joeLow, joeLow it mounts the iso as a cdrom |
| 14:43.28 | ajavid | joeLow, you need not put anything extra on usb |
| 14:43.29 | Schuenemann | Wyzard, someone said it maybe it wasn't checking my library path |
| 14:43.29 | Wyzard | Schuenemann: If you install -dev packages you get .so files alongside your .so.1, .so.2, etc. |
| 14:43.36 | ajavid | Wyzard, I did not know that |
| 14:43.45 | ajavid | Wyzard, in fact, I never even knew until today |
| 14:43.49 | joeLow | ajavid: it stops on the cd-rom detect step, |
| 14:43.51 | ajavid | Wyzard, wtf .so.1/.2 etc. is |
| 14:43.55 | mordy_ | is feeling .so.so |
| 14:44.00 | joeLow | "your installation cd-rom could not be mounted" |
| 14:44.05 | ajavid | joeLow, correct |
| 14:44.13 | jayeola | is this an install from a usb-stick? |
| 14:44.14 | ajavid | joeLow, it may fail if its not put into the / of your usb |
| 14:44.17 | Wyzard | The .1, .2, etc. is the library's ABI version number |
| 14:44.20 | Schuenemann | Wyzard, hmm... not sure you got it. I'm trying to run alien arena and it's complaining about a missing library that I do have |
| 14:44.29 | joeLow | ah ok |
| 14:44.31 | joeLow | il check |
| 14:44.34 | ajavid | joeLow, you can alt+f2, and mount the iso yourself |
| 14:44.39 | xing_ | Wyzard:my hp printer can be configured ,but from the hplip-gui,it said device communication error |
| 14:44.42 | jayeola | mount /dev/sdX /mnt/blah; cp debian.iso /mnt/blah |
| 14:44.47 | Wyzard | It's incremented when the library's ABI changes such that programs linked against the old version won't necessarily work with the new version |
| 14:44.54 | ajavid | Wyzard, I see |
| 14:45.10 | ajavid | learn something new everyday |
| 14:45.13 | Wyzard | The library has an embedded string called a "soname" that says "libfoo.so.1" or whatever, and that's what the linker puts into the dependencies of an executable |
| 14:45.18 | ajavid | here is something you didn't know that my prison buddy taught me |
| 14:45.33 | jayeola | hide the soap? |
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| 14:45.35 | ajavid | you take like 20 cig filters, melt them together, dry em out, and form a long blade |
| 14:45.37 | joeLow | all the files are in the / on the usb |
| 14:45.38 | ajavid | you can stab someone with it |
| 14:45.40 | Wyzard | so when you compile a program and say -lfoo, the linker reads libfoo.so and links against it, finds the embedded soname string "libfoo.so.1", and puts that into the ldd dependencies |
| 14:45.40 | ajavid | its lethal. |
| 14:45.45 | Wyzard | so at runtime it loads libfoo.so.1 |
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| 14:46.04 | ajavid | Wyzard, damn, thats over my head! |
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| 14:46.12 | Wyzard | That way the program can continue working even if you later install libfoo.so.2 and libfoo.so is changed to point to that |
| 14:46.18 | cahoot | ajavid: would that be used filters? |
| 14:46.24 | ajavid | doesn't matter |
| 14:46.28 | Wyzard | Schuenemann: I missed the beginning of your question... what library is it looking for? |
| 14:46.33 | ajavid | its somekinda fiberglass in a cottonish form |
| 14:46.35 | jayeola | hide the soap and stay out of the showers |
| 14:46.37 | ajavid | you melt it, its plastic |
| 14:46.39 | mordy_ | lol |
| 14:46.46 | mordy_ | fiberglass |
| 14:46.48 | ajavid | you get enough cig butts together, melt em and form a hard blade like object |
| 14:46.49 | cahoot | ajavid: I suppose used ones are even more lethal |
| 14:46.56 | Schuenemann | Wyzard, here: http://pastebin.ca/1417375 |
| 14:46.59 | ajavid | cahoot, bacteria, sure |
| 14:47.19 | ajavid | in fact, he showd it to me, it was fun |
| 14:47.19 | jayeola | hmm, makes sense. ban them in prisons!! |
| 14:47.24 | ajavid | heh |
| 14:47.31 | mordy_ | well more expensive cigarettes use cotton filters |
| 14:47.32 | ajavid | anyway, ot |
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| 14:47.44 | mordy_ | yeah.. i'm trying to figure out this numbering system |
| 14:48.16 | mordy_ | the only ones i really understand are >1000 which means "Force this version" and <0 which means "never install this" |
| 14:48.28 | ajavid | seriously |
| 14:48.29 | mordy_ | and i guess the other numbers do something in the middle |
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| 14:48.46 | Wyzard | Schuenemann: Your /usr/lib/libXxf86dga.so.1 is probably a symlink to something like libXxf86dga.so.1.0.0 -- check that the target of the link exists |
| 14:49.01 | g00se | mordy: you'd have to knit those together but it would be more like a python's tampon than a blade ... |
| 14:49.06 | mordy_ | lol |
| 14:49.15 | micket | Wyzard: interesting. I didn't know about the multiple libraries either. So the *.so always symlink towards the newest? Are older ABI versions ever dropped? |
| 14:49.18 | joeLow | ajavid: all the files are in the / on the usb, and the installer seem to boot ok, its just it doesnt detect the cd-rom so cant get the network card sorted |
| 14:49.37 | mordy_ | ROTFL |
| 14:49.53 | Schuenemann | Wyzard, points to libXxf86dga.so.1.0.0. Yes, exists |
| 14:49.53 | Wyzard | micket: The .so typically links to the latest ABI version, though it's really up to whatever -dev package it came from |
| 14:50.08 | ajavid | joeLow, it may have automatically downloaded a net inst kernel/initrd |
| 14:50.17 | Wyzard | micket: and generally each ABI version of the actual library is in a separate package |
| 14:50.20 | ajavid | joeLow, try updaint the kernel/initrd to the hd-media installer image? |
| 14:50.30 | joeLow | yes i choose to download the netinstall media |
| 14:50.32 | ajavid | joeLow, I just installed using unetbootin/usb last night |
| 14:50.35 | Wyzard | micket: so you can have programs built against different ABI versions installed at the same time |
| 14:50.51 | joeLow | should i not have choose the netinsall? |
| 14:50.57 | ajavid | joeLow, no, go to debian.org, get the hd-media installer initrd/kernel, and put tha on yoru usb |
| 14:50.58 | Wyzard | micket: (That's the whole reason for this scheme, parallel installation so that installing a new ABI version doesn't break all your old programs) |
| 14:51.02 | ajavid | NOT via unetbootin anymore |
| 14:51.09 | joeLow | ah ok |
| 14:51.10 | joeLow | thanks |
| 14:51.14 | ajavid | (I think) |
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| 14:51.19 | Wyzard | micket: Eventually nothing depends on the old version anymore and that package can be uninstalled |
| 14:51.20 | mordy_ | debian has unetbootin now? :( |
| 14:51.21 | ajavid | It didn't fail on me, so I have no idea |
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| 14:51.24 | ajavid | mordy_, nope |
| 14:51.28 | mordy_ | whew |
| 14:51.31 | ajavid | in fact |
| 14:51.33 | ajavid | hang on |
| 14:51.40 | ajavid | joeLow, if you're on windows... why even use usb |
| 14:51.45 | ajavid | joeLow, check this out |
| 14:51.47 | ajavid | !debian.exe |
| 14:51.48 | dpkg | debian.exe is a debian-installer loader for win32. It installs Debian as default; it installs grub for NT on C drive, then downloads the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and creates entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/. Also ask me about <ig> <setup.exe> or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader |
| 14:52.26 | ajavid | debian.exe will help you get debian installed directly from windows, you reboot, and follow the install guide |
| 14:52.30 | ajavid | keep dual boot, or wipe the paritions of ntfs |
| 14:52.34 | joeLow | im only using windows on this laptop, to download the iso and use irc, my box to install debian is blank, and i cant be assed to go the shop to get a balnk cd :( |
| 14:52.42 | joeLow | which is what il probably end up doing :) |
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| 14:52.43 | ajavid | whatever you want, don't fuck with usbs |
| 14:52.46 | ajavid | no need for a cd |
| 14:52.51 | ajavid | look at debian.exe |
| 14:52.58 | Wyzard | Schuenemann: I need to leave soon so I can't get into an extended troubleshooting session, but try running "LD_DEBUG=libs ./crx" to get diagnostic information about the dynamic linker's search for libraries |
| 14:52.59 | mordy_ | usb is evil |
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| 14:53.09 | joeLow | ajavidthe box im installing onto doesnt have windows or anything on it |
| 14:53.18 | ajavid | joeLow, ahh |
| 14:53.22 | mordy_ | have you looked at PXE? |
| 14:53.28 | mordy_ | try that |
| 14:53.34 | ajavid | joeLow, you can take out the hdd, plug it in your debian system |
| 14:53.41 | joeLow | ah this is better |
| 14:53.45 | ajavid | joeLow, mount it, debootstrap it |
| 14:53.46 | ajavid | jehe |
| 14:53.48 | mordy_ | it's a biit more complicated to set up but a more rewarding experience |
| 14:53.50 | Martin2 | hello there |
| 14:53.57 | Schuenemann | Wyzard, trying file=/usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu/libXxf86dga.so.1 |
| 14:53.57 | joeLow | ajavid: i let unetbootin download the image, instead of pointing it to an iso |
| 14:53.58 | ajavid | pxe is trivial actually |
| 14:53.59 | Schuenemann | is this correct? |
| 14:54.02 | joeLow | which seems to have done the job |
| 14:54.11 | ajavid | joeLow, so you're good now? |
| 14:54.18 | joeLow | yes :) thank you |
| 14:54.22 | ajavid | :) |
| 14:54.27 | mordy_ | it's trivial once you know the concepts behind it |
| 14:54.28 | Schuenemann | that /usr/lib/i486 does not exist |
| 14:54.51 | Wyzard | Schuenemann: It's normal for it to search in several subdirectories of /usr/lib before looking in /usr/lib itself |
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| 14:56.14 | Wyzard | Schuenemann: There's a fairly complicated scheme involving directories named after CPU extensions that lets you have libraries built with optimizations for newer CPUs, and generic builds of the same library that work on any processor, all installed together and it'll automatically find and use the best one for the CPU you're currently running on |
| 14:56.41 | Wyzard | Schuenemann: Since /usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu doesn't exist, it goes on and continues searching elsewhere, right? |
| 14:56.56 | Schuenemann | Wyzard, actually that was the last attempt to find it |
| 14:57.00 | Schuenemann | the error came next |
| 14:57.03 | Wyzard | ah |
| 14:57.11 | Wyzard | could you pastebin the full LD_DEBUG output? |
| 14:57.20 | Schuenemann | hold on |
| 14:59.07 | Wyzard | Schuenemann: are you running an amd64 system by any chance? |
| 14:59.13 | Schuenemann | yes |
| 14:59.15 | Schuenemann | http://pastebin.ca/1417394 |
| 14:59.36 | Wyzard | OK, then I see what's happening |
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| 14:59.51 | mordy_ | hmm.. i need a more comprehensive pinning scheme |
| 14:59.57 | Wyzard | /usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu/ is a directory that would exist on a 32-bit Debian system; instead you have /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu |
| 15:00.13 | Schuenemann | hmm |
| 15:00.18 | Schuenemann | so I should create a link there |
| 15:00.25 | Wyzard | and your LD_DEBUG output shows that it's looking in places like /usr/lib32 and /emul/ia32-linux/lib |
| 15:00.41 | Wyzard | You're trying to run a 32-bit program but you have no 32-bit libXxf86dga.so.1, only a 64-bit one |
| 15:00.42 | Schuenemann | I can't change where it's looking for, right? |
| 15:00.48 | Wyzard | 32-bit processes cannot load 64-bit libraries (and vice-versa) |
| 15:01.00 | Schuenemann | argh |
| 15:01.01 | Wyzard | Is there a 64-bit build of the game that you can download? |
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| 15:01.33 | Schuenemann | not the latest release I think |
| 15:01.36 | Wyzard | It's not finding it because it's looking in directories where 32-bit libraries would be found, but even if you copied the file from /usr/lib in there, it would find it but fail to load it |
| 15:02.00 | mordy_ | i need somethihng like this: (1) If the package is available as a stable and unstable version, install the stable version unless i specify i want unstable, (2) if the unstable version pulls in dependencies that replace the stable ones, ask me about it, (3) if the package is only available in non-stable then do step 2 |
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| 15:02.06 | Wyzard | If they don't provide a 64-bit download you'll need to either compile it yourself, or make a 32-bit chroot, or just use the packaged version |
| 15:02.26 | Schuenemann | the could've make it clear it was for 32 bits |
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| 15:03.29 | Wyzard | actually, there might be a package with a 32-bit version of that library built for your 64-bit system |
| 15:04.05 | Wyzard | amd64 Debian has packages with 32-bit builds of some common "core" libraries, for compatibility with 32-bit programs |
| 15:04.18 | mordy_ | i can't seem to figure out how to do the above with the ./apt/preferences file |
| 15:04.19 | Wyzard | I don't know whether libXxf86dga.so.1 is among them |
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| 15:04.41 | Wyzard | but I *think* there's a package somewhere that has a bunch of 32-bit X11 libraries in it |
| 15:04.54 | mordy_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2009-04-05 16:05 /usr/lib32 -> /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib |
| 15:05.09 | Schuenemann | Wyzard, getdeb.net has a build for ubuntu intrepid. Is that safe for me? |
| 15:05.12 | Wyzard | It's not installed automatically as a dependency since you're not installing a packaged version of the game, of course, but you could install it by hand |
| 15:05.27 | Wyzard | No, I'm talking about a real Debian package, not some unofficial kluge |
| 15:05.28 | Schuenemann | ubuntu 64 bits |
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| 15:05.37 | Wyzard | I just don't remember the name of the package |
| 15:06.45 | davidisko | guys, could anyone explain this to me ? libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 15:06.50 | davidisko | http://pastebin.com/m858ba91 |
| 15:06.56 | davidisko | this ^ :) |
| 15:07.12 | Wyzard | There's ia32-libs but that doesn't seem to have X11 libraries |
| 15:08.07 | Wyzard | Anyway, I need to leave now |
| 15:08.08 | davidisko | mysqld: Can't create/write to file '/tmp/ibk6zXCa' (Errcode: 13) wtf??? |
| 15:08.23 | Wyzard | Others should be able to help you with setting up a 32-bit chroot if necessary |
| 15:08.53 | mordy_ | is /tmp permissions set to 777? |
| 15:09.10 | davidisko | mordy_: 1777 |
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| 15:11.20 | Manu311 | hi, I got a problem with scite, but I found no supportforum or irc for it. |
| 15:11.20 | Manu311 | I want to add the c.api and the opengl.api to my cpp files and added this file: |
| 15:11.20 | Manu311 | api.$(file.patterns.cpp)=/usr/share/scite/api/opengl.api; /usr/share/scite/api/c.api |
| 15:11.20 | Manu311 | to cpp.properties and .SciTEUser.properties but without any effect. |
| 15:11.20 | Manu311 | What am I doing wrong? |
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| 15:11.57 | jbjohns | hi |
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| 15:12.00 | stew | damog: you need to upload your key somewhere |
| 15:12.12 | jbjohns | Is Debian going to rejoin with libc or is this fork pretty permanent? |
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| 15:12.42 | stew | jbjohns: its most likely permanant, unless drepper gets a serious attitude change |
| 15:13.02 | jbjohns | isn't that going to end up hurting debian more than drepper? |
| 15:13.03 | stew | jbjohns: but its less of a fork and more like a bunch of patches that sit on top of glibc |
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| 15:13.12 | jbjohns | ah ok |
| 15:13.12 | stew | jbjohns: why would it hurt debian at all? |
| 15:13.31 | Manu311 | hi, I got a problem with scite, but I found no supportforum or irc for it. I want to add the c.api and the opengl.api to my cpp files and added this line: api.$(file.patterns.cpp)=/usr/share/scite/api/opengl.api; /usr/share/scite/api/c.api to cpp.properties and .SciTEUser.properties but without any effect. What am I doing wrong? |
| 15:13.34 | jbjohns | if it's a fork then it might start falling out of sync |
| 15:13.55 | toe | hi... did kde 4 enter testing? |
| 15:13.57 | stew | its completely source code and binary compatible |
| 15:14.43 | jbjohns | I mean, I don't know. I'm just building a new debian server and I saw that news so it made me a bit nervious. Of course I don't know what else I would use. Ubuntu is debian based and boots more than my windows box. I hate rpm, so that's a no go for all the rpm based ones |
| 15:15.09 | arvind_khadri | Manu311, ##opengl :) |
| 15:15.20 | Manu311 | ? |
| 15:15.49 | arvind_khadri | Manoj, ##opengl may help you |
| 15:15.49 | Manu311 | it doesn't work neither if I only try to include c.api |
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| 15:29.20 | Takatski | Hey uh, I'm trying to install irssi atm, having to do it from source, and it's my first time installing anything from source |
| 15:29.28 | Takatski | I've got the program untarred |
| 15:29.37 | Takatski | the only problem is it needs glib |
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| 15:30.01 | Takatski | so i downloaded a .tar.bz2 for glib and put it in the directory, but I'm having a hard time untarring the glib file. |
| 15:31.17 | cahoot | what's wrong with debians irssi? |
| 15:31.42 | Takatski | I don't think it was initially installed, its a server |
| 15:31.47 | Takatski | where I'm trying to install this |
| 15:31.54 | asg | Takatski: aptitude install irssi |
| 15:32.01 | Takatski | not a su |
| 15:32.37 | Takatski | sudo isn't installed anyway |
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| 15:33.04 | damog | stew: already did; i forgot yesterday, but I already did now. |
| 15:33.29 | damog | stew: you're also about to get your key signed |
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| 15:33.55 | Takatski | So I'm not sure what to do |
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| 15:35.07 | Takatski | I was following a guide |
| 15:35.23 | Takatski | but it tried to install an old form of glib.. |
| 15:35.32 | Takatski | which doesn't exist anymore |
| 15:36.10 | Takatski | Hm, maybe I need to update the irssi version |
| 15:36.20 | Takatski | that should prolly do it actually nvm thanks |
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| 15:44.09 | damog | stew: same case for jimmy I believe |
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| 15:49.04 | stew | damog: and now i've lost your fingerprint in one of these piles :) |
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| 15:55.45 | MarcoPau | hello, I have an external usb hard drive and wanted to know the brand in order to use the proper diagnostic software, as it's not working any more. lsusb says Cypress Semiconductor Corp. CY7C68300A EZ-USB AT2 USB 2.0 to ATA/ATAPI and I can't find anything more under lsusb -v. any hint? |
| 15:56.46 | \amethyst | MarcoPau: have you tried smartctl for diagnostics? |
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| 15:57.06 | MarcoPau | \amethyst: never heard of that actually |
| 15:57.55 | \amethyst | MarcoPau: it's in package smartmontools; though I've seen some USB drive enclosures that don't support SMART, so it may be necessary to plug in the disk inside the machine |
| 15:58.32 | MarcoPau | \amethyst: I suppose the head is screwd up as it fell the other day, but at least I wanted to see if I can recover something before bringing it to the assistance |
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| 15:59.13 | \amethyst | MarcoPau: trying to recover something if there is a problem with the head could make things worse |
| 15:59.28 | MarcoPau | \amethyst: unluckily it's a 2,5 inches, thus I would need a laptop - which I don't have - to directly plug it in |
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| 15:59.42 | \amethyst | MarcoPau: if you're willing to spend at least $1000 there are people who will take the platters out, put them in a new drive, etc |
| 15:59.44 | MarcoPau | \amethyst: well that's only a supposition |
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| 15:59.59 | MarcoPau | \amethyst: heh I know that, but aint' my case ;-) |
| 16:00.20 | \amethyst | MarcoPau: IDE or SATA? |
| 16:00.22 | phogg | unrecoverable data is rare. data not worth the price of recovery is much more common |
| 16:00.39 | MarcoPau | \amethyst: ata, as far as I can read from lsusb |
| 16:00.48 | MarcoPau | phogg: I concurr |
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| 16:01.07 | mordy_ | i'm sure that pr0n is worth a lot of time! |
| 16:01.16 | huwenfeng | hi, i have a machine |
| 16:01.44 | mordy_ | lsusb won't give you the name of the device though; the best thing would be to try hdparm -I, if it works |
| 16:01.55 | MarcoPau | \amethyst: just wanted to give it a try before going to the store. maybe (hopefully) they'll take it and give me a new one instead of repairing it. in any case I'll lose the data |
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| 16:03.04 | huwenfeng | i have a machine, with seagate scsi 146G disk, and i am trying to install debian lenny on it , using a CD ,burned with debian-netinst.iso, and it said that i have to specify the disk driver! but i do not know which to use! why does debian recogonize it automatically? |
| 16:03.34 | MarcoPau | mordy_: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Input/output error |
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| 16:03.46 | huwenfeng | what if i use the 650MB CD to install? does that disk will have the driver and prode that disk automatically? |
| 16:03.49 | MarcoPau | mordy_: doing hdparm -I /dev/sdc |
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| 16:04.44 | MarcoPau | mordy_: thought lsusb said the brand of the disc, so that I could maybe download a diagnostic software from the producer's website |
| 16:05.07 | subopt | I'm working on a server w/no man pages. What's the `less` option to set a few lines of leading context before a match? |
| 16:05.16 | mordy_ | MarcoPau: how abouut /dev/disk/by-id? |
| 16:05.25 | mordy_ | and then look up the model number of the actual disk you find |
| 16:05.41 | MarcoPau | mordy_: I don't get you |
| 16:05.44 | mordy_ | ata-ST3500410AS_6VM02SEQ <-- for example |
| 16:06.01 | mordy_ | the middle part is the actual model number of the disk |
| 16:06.09 | MarcoPau | mordy_: oh it's a directory, didn't know of that |
| 16:06.29 | MarcoPau | usb-Lacie_Group._SA_Lacie_Mobile_Drive_DEF10D95E29B-0:0 |
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| 16:06.49 | MarcoPau | mordy_: this should be the drive? DEF10D95E29B |
| 16:07.00 | mordy_ | MarcoPau: possibly |
| 16:07.08 | MarcoPau | google doesn't find anything |
| 16:07.30 | mordy_ | hmm... |
| 16:07.36 | MarcoPau | mordy_: don't think there are so many hd producers... |
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| 16:07.50 | MarcoPau | htiachi, fujitsu, maxtor, wd and maybe a few others |
| 16:07.54 | mordy_ | they model numbers can be confusing though |
| 16:07.54 | MarcoPau | hitachi* |
| 16:08.00 | adb | ls -al /dev/disk/by-path/ |
| 16:08.02 | mordy_ | let me try myself actually |
| 16:08.14 | MarcoPau | that's what it looks like |
| 16:08.30 | mordy_ | mayybe it's hitatchi? |
| 16:08.38 | MarcoPau | adb: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2009-05-09 17:40 pci-0000:00:1d.7-usb-0:4:1.0-scsi-0:0:0:0 -> ../../sdc |
| 16:09.06 | adb | sdc ? no partitions ins |
| 16:09.06 | MarcoPau | mordy_: no clue, that code doesn't show anything to me about the brand |
| 16:09.16 | MarcoPau | adb: nope, it's not mounted |
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| 16:09.29 | MarcoPau | adb: the system sees it but it can't mount it |
| 16:10.16 | adb | why ? |
| 16:10.51 | mordy_ | usb-TOSHIBA_MK1032GAX_000000000033-0:0 |
| 16:10.55 | MarcoPau | adb: it's not working. I'm searching for the hard drive brand in order to maybe use a diagnostic tool from the producer |
| 16:11.15 | MarcoPau | mordy_: don't think toshiba produces hard drives |
| 16:11.20 | mordy_ | they do |
| 16:11.39 | mordy_ | this is just a dongle but the concept is the same |
| 16:11.46 | MarcoPau | right |
| 16:11.50 | mordy_ | the dongle is Bus 008 Device 004: ID 05e3:0718 Genesys Logic, Inc. |
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| 16:11.56 | MarcoPau | but lacie is no way a hard drive produces |
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| 16:12.00 | MarcoPau | producer |
| 16:12.08 | adb | apt-cache search dd_rescue |
| 16:12.18 | mordy_ | you don't want dd_rescue |
| 16:12.28 | mordy_ | ddrescue is better, they are different packages |
| 16:12.59 | mordy_ | and the package for that is gddrescue |
| 16:14.42 | adb | !tell MarcoPau about rescue mode |
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| 16:15.04 | MarcoPau | adb: this is a usb external device |
| 16:15.16 | adb | and ? |
| 16:15.49 | mordy_ | adb: what he should really try to do is remove the disk from the usb device and place it inside a normal connector |
| 16:15.58 | mordy_ | USB is horrible as it is, and is even worse if the device is abd |
| 16:16.04 | mordy_ | bad |
| 16:16.05 | mordy_ | lol |
| 16:17.13 | mordy_ | the device will reset whenever an IO error occurs (and that should happen often with a bad device) and will possibly take down the entire hub, which could be a nightmare if you use a usb keyboard |
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| 16:17.29 | MarcoPau | LOL |
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| 16:18.07 | MarcoPau | mordy_: I know but this is a two and a half inch device, I don't have any laptop with me |
| 16:18.19 | mordy_ | you can get a 44-40 pin adapter |
| 16:18.25 | MarcoPau | so, am I suppose to give a try with ddrescue? |
| 16:18.29 | mordy_ | yes |
| 16:18.34 | mordy_ | bbetter than nothing |
| 16:18.39 | KaiSVK | hi all, after an annoying apt update in squeeze, there is another one??? Network manager is saying to me that eth0 is not managed, and that I am disconnected :? strange |
| 16:18.42 | MarcoPau | lemme take a look at it |
| 16:19.08 | MarcoPau | mordy_: installed ddrescue but dd_rescue is the command, right? |
| 16:19.27 | mordy_ | yes.. buut you _should_ install gddrescue and use the `ddrescue` command |
| 16:19.47 | mordy_ | it's basically an enhanced version of dd_rescue |
| 16:20.05 | mordy_ | they're both wrapper scripts for dd which know how to work around bad blocks |
| 16:21.04 | mordy_ | dd is far too primitive although it also has options for working with device errors though; but gddrescue lets you specify how long you want to wait to recover a single bad block, it also copies the good data first and then at the end tries to recover the bad blocks if you so choose |
| 16:21.24 | MarcoPau | mordy_: ddrescue /dev/sdc(1?) /foo/? |
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| 16:22.25 | mordy_ | MarcoPau: pretty much. read the manpage for more options as i haven't used it for a while. also specify a file (./foo) and not a directory (./foo/) |
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| 16:23.57 | mordy_ | any apt gurus around? |
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| 16:24.26 | mordy_ | or maybe not necessarily a guru, i'm trying to work with pinning and want to figure out whether the following is possible |
| 16:24.35 | adb | MarcoPau: fdisk -l /dev/sdc |
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| 16:25.06 | MarcoPau | adb: that won't work, there's no partition mounted |
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| 16:25.16 | mordy_ | MarcoPau: doesn't care about mounting |
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| 16:25.30 | mordy_ | fdisk checks /proc/partitions' |
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| 16:26.18 | MarcoPau | whops |
| 16:26.20 | MarcoPau | adb: there's no partition mounted |
| 16:26.32 | MarcoPau | ddrescue says cannot open input file: No such file or directory |
| 16:26.43 | MarcoPau | wither with /dev/sdc or with /dev/sdc1 |
| 16:26.49 | mordy_ | strange |
| 16:26.51 | MarcoPau | either* |
| 16:26.58 | mordy_ | are you sure it's /dev/sdc then? |
| 16:27.01 | mordy_ | are you root? |
| 16:27.06 | MarcoPau | actually fdisk -l /dev/sdc freezes |
| 16:27.10 | MarcoPau | mordy_: yes |
| 16:27.11 | mordy_ | ouch |
| 16:27.14 | mordy_ | yeah |
| 16:27.19 | mordy_ | it's the USB |
| 16:27.29 | mordy_ | get a 44-40 pin adapter |
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| 16:27.52 | MarcoPau | mordy_: you know what? I wouldn't open it as it's still under warranty |
| 16:28.07 | mordy_ | ok but if you want your data back that'' the only way too do it |
| 16:28.30 | mordy_ | so decide whether a refund for your product or your datatakes priority |
| 16:28.32 | decoder | rescueing a disk using an usb controller isnt guaranteed to work |
| 16:28.35 | decoder | just as a side note |
| 16:28.38 | decoder | i have many usb controllers |
| 16:28.39 | MarcoPau | heh you're right, but don't even wanna risk that the assistance tells me: you opened it, fuck off |
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| 16:28.46 | decoder | and I have 2 2.5" controllers |
| 16:28.49 | decoder | one works fien |
| 16:28.50 | decoder | *fine |
| 16:28.54 | mordy_ | you can try a few more times with USB (perhaps even give some more power to your hub) and you may have some luck |
| 16:28.58 | decoder | the other swallows read errors and such and produces garbage |
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| 16:29.12 | decoder | (with broken disks, and I rescued a lot of them already) |
| 16:29.16 | mordy_ | or yeah, you could try a different dongle |
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| 16:29.38 | MarcoPau | decoder: this one has been clicking and doing strange noise since it fell. I wanted to try to recover the data before bringing it to the assistance |
| 16:29.50 | decoder | right, I understand that |
| 16:30.03 | decoder | the problem is that the USB dongle has its own IDE controller |
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| 16:30.11 | mordy_ | MarcoPau: is there a sticker somewhere that breaks if you open the case? |
| 16:30.12 | decoder | you are not as "near" to the drive using usb |
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| 16:30.23 | decoder | you rely on the usb controller doing the proper stuff |
| 16:30.36 | decoder | depending on the usb dongle this can do fine.. or go totally wrong |
| 16:30.48 | MarcoPau | mordy_: not outside. maybe inside, once you open it... ;) |
| 16:30.55 | mordy_ | MarcoPau: well try :D |
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| 16:31.05 | MarcoPau | mordy_: prrrr |
| 16:31.09 | mordy_ | hmmm... i never saw such a thing though |
| 16:31.18 | mordy_ | usually if there isn't a sticker outside there isn't one inside |
| 16:31.28 | hexoroid | how can i check if i have geoiplib installed |
| 16:31.40 | MarcoPau | mordy_: I guess |
| 16:31.46 | mordy_ | your choice though |
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| 16:32.06 | MarcoPau | well let me go ask the dealer. maybe he tells me "go ahead try opening and rescueing" |
| 16:32.30 | MarcoPau | otherwise who cares, it's my girlfriend's little brother who has movies and pictures in it |
| 16:32.30 | adb | hexoroid: dpkg -l geoiplib |
| 16:32.34 | MarcoPau | LOL |
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| 16:33.20 | hexoroid | adp how can i know in what package on apt-get does geoiplib comes ? |
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| 16:33.48 | mordy_ | you can try apt-file and apt-get, but appparrently the package is 'geoiplib' |
| 16:34.03 | mordy_ | errr.. actually it's not |
| 16:34.04 | adb | !tell hexoroid about search |
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| 16:34.15 | mordy_ | No packages found matching geoiplib. |
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| 16:34.52 | mordy_ | and actually apt-cache doesn't find anything for 'geoiplib' either |
| 16:35.06 | mordy_ | neither does apt-file |
| 16:35.11 | adb | apt-file search geoip |
| 16:35.32 | mordy_ | he probably wants.. geoip-bin - IP lookup command line tools that use the GeoIP library |
| 16:36.02 | mordy_ | and... libgeoip1 - A non-DNS IP-to-country resolver library |
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| 16:36.36 | MarcoPau | well thanks guys for your help, I suppose it's a white flag |
| 16:37.05 | MarcoPau | hopefully the dealer will change it being under warranty |
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| 16:42.15 | wald0 | i can install Debian Lenny on a 300 Mhz + 64 Mb RAM machine or i should looks for something else ? |
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| 16:42.42 | adb | add some RAM and its ok |
| 16:42.54 | Marijn | I'm trying to setup authentication to LDAP. I got NSS working like a charm (id ldap_user works). But ldap_pam.conf is giving me hell... it connects and everything, but it tracing the slapd debuging it doesn't seem to bind as "uid=myuser".. it keeps binding anoyimously.. |
| 16:43.10 | simonrvn | you can, but yeh, i'd add some ram, though the install will work with 64 MB |
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| 16:43.11 | Marijn | anonimously |
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| 16:43.25 | wald0 | adb: that's the problem, it is not possible, the motherboard of this laptop has the connector of this ram broken |
| 16:43.37 | pipeline | adb: no version of linux is going to be pleasatn with 64M of RAM. |
| 16:43.44 | simonrvn | "anonymously" |
| 16:43.58 | pipeline | adb: the versions of linux that were around back when laptops had 64M of RAM weren't even pleasant with 64M of RAM :D |
| 16:44.19 | bluethundr | i am building a mail server and want to install postfix and completely remove exim. I typed aptitude purge exim4 and yet /etc/init.d/exim4 restart shows it still chugging along. can someone please help me NUKE IT so I can get my job done? |
| 16:45.04 | simonrvn | "exim4" is only some meta-package... use aptitude and remove *all* of it... |
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| 16:45.39 | simonrvn | or do dpkg -l 'exim4*' and remove the ii ones... |
| 16:45.52 | simonrvn | man dpkg |
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| 16:46.00 | bluethundr | gotcha. thanks! |
| 16:46.04 | mordy_ | aptitude purge 'exim ~i' |
| 16:46.16 | magyar | hi, which pluggin do i need to be able to play mp3 in amarok? |
| 16:46.55 | adb | wald0: d-installer will use low memory mode , but ons installed it will works , maybe install etch |
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| 16:47.48 | kaeles | howdy, I've got some confusion on the /etc/default files and how they work, I'm trying to write a "correct" init.d script for the ippvr program I use with my fta box and mythtv, so that the fta recordings are done automatically and the server starts on startup, the main confusion lies in setting the default arguements in the /etc/default/nfpvr file that I created, I'm not sure how to pass the vars I create in there correctly in the init.d script. |
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| 16:51.19 | kaeles | so for example, I need to pass the output directory to the daemon on startup, and I want to put this into the /etc/default/nfpvr, I did put a line that says recordingDir = /mnt/myRecordings, but I'm not sure how to make it read the file the way it needs to, cause recording dir needs to be passed like "daemon -o /mnt/outputDirectory" and its just throwing an error |
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| 16:52.11 | Marijn | The pam ldap how should it authenticate a user? Trying to bind with that users ID? doing a LDAP-compare between hashes or getting the hashed value and letting pam compare them? Anybody know? |
| 16:52.19 | ma3x | can anyone let me know do i need drivers for this webcam or how do i bring it to run? http://paste.debian.net/35708/ |
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| 16:54.16 | cahoot | look for its usbID here: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html |
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| 16:56.39 | simonrvn | Marijn: no, no. yes. as either anon bind, or as a user allowed to read certain things. man pam_ldap.conf |
| 16:56.51 | simonrvn | Marijn: see #ldap, #openldap |
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| 16:57.47 | Marijn | simonrvn, hmm... okay... |
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| 16:58.41 | Marijn | simonrvn, then i will need a proxy user, since the anon users are not allowed to read password hashes.. |
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| 16:59.35 | Marijn | simonrvn, strange, since i have done this kind of setup before, and i do not remember having this problem (loggin failing constantly) |
| 16:59.38 | simonrvn | ;). for instance. |
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| 17:00.55 | kaeles | really wierd now, any time I run my init.d script, it starts another shell |
| 17:01.14 | kaeles | nvm |
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| 17:06.40 | mattinator | Hey so I'm running ubuntu |
| 17:06.45 | elik_ | shut up |
| 17:06.55 | elik_ | go to #ubuntu |
| 17:06.55 | mattinator | But how could I use apt to search for a package? |
| 17:07.08 | elik_ | sorry, it's harsh, but there is a lot of trolling |
| 17:07.11 | nihilstar | mattinator, apt-cache search |
| 17:07.19 | mattinator | Yes! |
| 17:07.25 | mattinator | thanks nihilstar |
| 17:07.33 | mattinator | You proved someone in #httpd wrong |
| 17:07.41 | mattinator | elik_: you proved them right |
| 17:07.55 | elik_ | My nfs is taking 30kbps of b/w up and down cause the host is unreachable |
| 17:08.05 | elik_ | mattinator, them being who? |
| 17:08.14 | mattinator | thumbs and adptr |
| 17:08.26 | mattinator | adaptr* |
| 17:08.42 | elik_ | I don't get you |
| 17:08.51 | kaeles | anyone know how the init.d files get the vars from the default files or how to access them in the init.d files? |
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| 17:09.04 | mattinator | "mattinator: So if I had a question about Ubuntu and I asked it in #Debian, by your logic I should be flamed and belittled" |
| 17:09.31 | bolt | mattinator: you would be asked to go to #ubuntu |
| 17:09.31 | elik_ | mattinator, glad I could help |
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| 17:09.49 | elik_ | mattinator, you don't ask about linux on a MS hotline |
| 17:09.52 | ktn | Hi, I'm trying to blacklist tulip module for my Davicom NIC. I've addet it to modprobe blacklist (/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist) but it's still loaded at boot. |
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| 17:10.04 | mattinator | But if I ask a related question |
| 17:10.15 | mattinator | I don't see what the difference should be |
| 17:10.18 | bolt | mattinator: ubuntu is not related to debian in that sense |
| 17:10.28 | elik_ | then create a #debian/ubntu-common |
| 17:10.38 | mattinator | I see |
| 17:10.44 | mattinator | Well I guess I should go eat shit and die |
| 17:10.54 | elik_ | I mean, we don't know what is different on their side |
| 17:10.55 | bolt | if you wish |
| 17:11.03 | elik_ | no, just go on ubuntu |
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| 17:11.34 | kaeles | mattinator: ubuntu is different enough to where any advice a debian person gives you on the basis that you are using debian, could theoretically break your stuff. |
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| 17:11.59 | kaeles | so, make sure your asking the questions to people who know the answers and what is going on with what you are using. |
| 17:12.06 | mac123 | hi need some help with east asain fonts on debain i use wine to runs some apps as they have asain fonts they are displayed only in boxes can some help me on this |
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| 17:14.02 | g00se | mac123: i would imagine you need to ensure the fonts are installed on Windows |
| 17:14.16 | g00se | My lcd monitor's just developed a short 1px green line: any way i can give it an electronic slap? |
| 17:14.18 | amitz | mac123: how about surfing on website filled with your intended east asian fonts? Does it work? |
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| 17:14.57 | g00se | mac123: ( surfing through Wine i think ) |
| 17:14.59 | mac123 | i just installed fonts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Multilingual_support_(East_Asian) but not working |
| 17:15.03 | alexidoia | what is the command to know what port is used by a device ? say mysql ? |
| 17:15.32 | g00se | mac123: did you install them *in Windows*? |
| 17:15.53 | alexidoia | anyone ? |
| 17:16.28 | mac123 | no i did it from putty |
| 17:16.31 | white_eagle | hello everyone, i'm having a problem - sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg doesn't output anything |
| 17:16.38 | white_eagle | it did in the past, but not now |
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| 17:16.47 | white_eagle | i can't choose what driver to use |
| 17:17.01 | peterrooney | alexidoia: netstat --program ? |
| 17:17.05 | dondelelcaro | white_eagle: X configures itself automatically now, so there isn't one to choose. |
| 17:17.06 | g00se | netstat -t --numeric-ports |
| 17:17.31 | magyar | hi, which pluggin do i need to be able to play mp3 in amarok? |
| 17:17.42 | g00se | mac123: i would guess you need to install them in Windows |
| 17:17.57 | mac123 | its working for surfing asain sites |
| 17:18.01 | alexidoia | peterrooney: how do I get the port with it ? |
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| 17:18.25 | g00se | mac123: working surfing in Windows? |
| 17:18.37 | peterrooney | alexidoia: with the -n ( --numeric-ports) switch |
| 17:18.49 | amitz | mac123: so the one in wikipedia test doesn't work? Which language in particular? Debian lenny? |
| 17:18.57 | mac123 | i use vnc to access my server so its iceweasel there |
| 17:19.06 | white_eagle | dondelelcaro: but the problem is, when i check for 3d acceleration - i can see that it's available - but when i start a 3d app it hogs the system horrendeously |
| 17:19.20 | white_eagle | glxgears exits with an error |
| 17:19.24 | alexidoia | peterrooney: if I do that for ex ? netstat -n | grep mysql |
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| 17:19.32 | dondelelcaro | white_eagle: are you trying to use one of the proprietary drivers? |
| 17:19.32 | mac123 | amitz the fonts are working since i am able to surf asain sites |
| 17:19.34 | white_eagle | they run, but when i quit them an error shows up |
| 17:19.42 | mac123 | only apps have problme |
| 17:19.52 | white_eagle | dondelelcaro: no, i removed the fglrx ones, i want to use the OSS ones |
| 17:19.59 | white_eagle | that's when this problem started |
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| 17:20.17 | peterrooney | alexidoia: netstat -n --programs | grep mysql |
| 17:20.22 | g00se | mac123: The problem's with a Windows app right? |
| 17:20.23 | alexidoia | ok |
| 17:20.31 | mac123 | yes g00se |
| 17:20.51 | amitz | mac123: Put the right font in /windows/fonts |
| 17:21.08 | g00se | mac123: Can you see Asian fonts when surfing in Wine with Internet Explorer? |
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| 17:21.45 | mac123 | i can see asain fonts while using iceweasel idont have IE installed |
| 17:22.25 | g00se | mac123: That doesn't count ;-) You're interested in Windows. See amitz's last comment |
| 17:22.32 | magyar | can anyone help with mp3 playback on lenny? |
| 17:22.41 | alexidoia | peterrooney: thanks ! |
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| 17:23.46 | mac123 | i know but i want to get it working in wine and not windows :) |
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| 17:24.14 | untypnk | hey.. i need some help mounting my external hard drive. |
| 17:24.44 | untypnk | it used to be mounted fine, but now dev/sda1/ is missing. |
| 17:25.01 | amitz | mac123: if you have a default lenny wine, there is .wine/drive_c/windows/fonts |
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| 17:25.11 | mac123 | do i need to copy these fonts in /.wine/drive_c/windows/Fonts |
| 17:25.13 | mac123 | yes |
| 17:25.34 | amitz | yeah, just plain copy to that folder. |
| 17:25.34 | g00se | magyar: what's the problem? |
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| 17:26.28 | magyar | g00se: amarok won't play mp3s |
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| 17:26.43 | magyar | No suitable demux plugin. This often means that the file format is not supported. |
| 17:26.57 | magyar | kaffeine plays fine |
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| 17:27.17 | mac123 | thx amitz trying now |
| 17:27.51 | magyar | it works now, had to restart amarok |
| 17:27.58 | elik_ | yay, I have an infinite loop between two computers |
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| 17:30.07 | ddd58585 | what would you say to someone who does not know yet if to switch to ubuntu of or to debian |
| 17:30.33 | DanDare | Hello im using Debian. My sound isnt working no more (i think it started after some apt-get upgrade), how to perform sound configuration ? |
| 17:30.33 | peterrooney | untypnk: what does 'ls /dev/sd* ' say? |
| 17:30.43 | krisfremen | from what distro ddd58585? |
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| 17:31.08 | ddd58585 | krisfremen: windows xp |
| 17:31.16 | DanDare | i mean, there´s any script avaliable for installing sound like it does at install time ? |
| 17:31.23 | krisfremen | ddd58585: you can dualboot? |
| 17:31.31 | peterrooney | ddd58585: this is a biased place to ask that question... |
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| 17:33.15 | untypnk | says no file or dir peterrooney |
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| 17:34.52 | ddd58585 | then let me put it that way, are there any reasons why i should use debian instead of ubuntu? |
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| 17:36.07 | dondelelcaro | ddd58585: there are lots of reasons why we use Debian instead of Ubuntu; it's difficult to say whether they apply to your case. |
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| 17:36.33 | untypnk | ubuntu seems fatter. |
| 17:36.36 | untypnk | and prettier. |
| 17:36.39 | untypnk | also. |
| 17:36.49 | untypnk | seems to not love me as much as debian.. |
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| 17:37.33 | gravity | Some people run both depending on their particular needs as well |
| 17:37.34 | amitz | untypnk: we don't want to know your fetish :-p |
| 17:37.40 | untypnk | LOL |
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| 17:38.13 | untypnk | this harddrive is makeing me angry |
| 17:38.28 | mac123 | hi is there any specific location were fonts are stored on debian |
| 17:38.45 | simonrvn | "making" |
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| 17:39.25 | amitz | mac123: it didn't work? It should work since I just remembered my wine application basically only need fonts in ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts |
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| 17:39.59 | person | hello |
| 17:40.14 | mac123 | i know but copying a 250mb folder is too much for me |
| 17:40.22 | mac123 | i just need the 3 tff files |
| 17:40.28 | person | Xfce has slowed down rather badly |
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| 17:41.39 | person | I thought I installed something like xfce-desktop-environment but there is no package with that name installed, it would seem. |
| 17:42.01 | person | What's the real name of the thing I'm looking for? |
| 17:42.47 | amitz | mac123: I don't know if linux font is compatible with windows. And if you know the package name of the font you want to move from debian to windows, I think you can use apt-file or something like that to find out the location and files installed for a particular package. |
| 17:42.57 | g00se | person: xfce4-mcs-manager? |
| 17:43.04 | person | No |
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| 17:43.18 | person | it was like gnome-desktop-environment by an XFCE version. |
| 17:44.01 | mac123 | thx for the info :) |
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| 17:44.29 | g00se | person: In that case i probably don't have it though i use xfce4 |
| 17:44.29 | amitz | np :-) |
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| 17:45.34 | caraconan | Hi. Some cli to convert .mp3 (or .ogg) to .cda? I kwnow serpentine, but I would it command line. Thanks |
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| 17:46.45 | g00se | Of course there's xfce4 itself... |
| 17:46.45 | patrikf | caraconan: .cda are pseudo-files generated by M$ windows for audio tracks on a CD. |
| 17:46.51 | patrikf | caraconan: I guess what you want to do is burn an audio CD? |
| 17:47.01 | caraconan | Yes |
| 17:47.25 | caraconan | But the cd unit is on the server, and I don't want to install x-window-system on it |
| 17:47.41 | cahoot | could use ecasound f ex |
| 17:47.57 | caraconan | ok, thanks a lot. I will try it |
| 17:47.59 | gravity | .oO(Didn't we kill x-window-system yet?) |
| 17:48.17 | gravity | Oh yeah, long dead |
| 17:48.39 | gravity | That was transitional for etch. |
| 17:48.43 | patrikf | caraconan: you'll have to convert the mp3s to .wav and then use e.g. wodim. or find a tool that does converting+burning all-in-one |
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| 17:49.32 | caraconan | If I understand it, it's not possible, for ex: convert_command my_file.mp3 my_file.cda |
| 17:49.35 | simonrvn | gravity: i'm pretty sure you have ;). |
| 17:49.52 | caraconan | And then make a iso with all .cda and finally burn the .iso with wodim |
| 17:50.06 | cahoot | caraconan: ecasound -i file.mp3 -o file.wav |
| 17:50.13 | simonrvn | mac123: windows fots can be used as-is if they're in certain formats |
| 17:50.19 | simonrvn | mac123: fonts* |
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| 17:50.41 | caraconan | cahoot I'm not sure, but .wav = .cda? |
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| 17:51.05 | patrikf | caraconan: .cda files don't exist |
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| 17:51.59 | caraconan | Ok. I will do a test. Thanks a lot |
| 17:52.03 | gravity | simonrvn: Yeah, I couldn't remember if I left it around or not |
| 17:52.10 | gravity | That was many years ago :-) |
| 17:52.26 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 17:54.13 | lillis | hmm, how do I set what colours show as what files when I ls? |
| 17:54.22 | lillis | currently the blue used for folders is kinda bad |
| 17:54.28 | person | Does anyone know of a metapackage to basically install XFCE and some other stuff to go with it a bit like gnome-desktop-environment does for GNOME? |
| 17:54.35 | ktn | Is there any way to remove a module? |
| 17:54.54 | simonrvn | lillis: dircolors |
| 17:55.13 | lillis | person: there's info on that in here http://insidesocal.com/click/2009/05/xfce-in-ubuntuxubuntu-and-debi.html |
| 17:55.16 | lillis | simonrvn: thanks :) |
| 17:55.18 | gravity | ktn: From a running kernel? rmmod? |
| 17:55.43 | person | Thanks lillis |
| 17:55.49 | ktn | gravity, But it's loaded at boot again. |
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| 17:56.10 | adb | !backlist |
| 17:56.16 | gravity | ktn: You'll want to blacklist it |
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| 17:56.33 | caraconan | It's seems a trouble with .mp3 extension... |
| 17:56.36 | ktn | gravity, Yes. But adding the module to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist doesn't work for me |
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| 17:56.44 | ddd58585 | is /part |
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| 17:57.15 | gravity | ktn: What's the module? |
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| 17:57.21 | ktn | gravity, tulip |
| 17:57.28 | gravity | Ok, so not an X module |
| 17:57.49 | ktn | gravity, No, it's a net module |
| 17:57.52 | cahoot | rebuilt initramfs too? |
| 17:57.53 | caraconan | http://pastebin.com/m215e17c5 |
| 17:57.53 | gravity | ktn: Presumably by "adding" it you mean adding a line saying "blacklist tulip" |
| 17:58.01 | ktn | gravity, Yes |
| 17:58.02 | dustybin | if you GRANT ALL privileges to a mysql user, does that mean the user is as powerful as root? |
| 17:58.16 | gravity | ktn: Ok, I don't know then, I'm sorry. You'll have to find out what's loading it. :-\ |
| 17:58.22 | gravity | ktn: Sorry I couldn't be more help |
| 17:58.26 | cahoot | rebuilt initramfs too? ktn |
| 17:58.57 | ktn | cahoot, I haven't tried that, let me try it |
| 17:59.12 | ktn | gravity, Thanks anyway |
| 17:59.25 | cahoot | ktn: /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
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| 18:00.20 | lord_rob | What's a good program to make snapshots with a webcam ? I'd like to test it :) (I suppose it won't work but well) |
| 18:00.37 | person | lillis: Couldn't find the package name. Is it in there? |
| 18:00.56 | caraconan | lord_rob camorama |
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| 18:01.09 | lord_rob | thanks caraconan |
| 18:01.13 | cahoot | lord_rob: cheese |
| 18:01.28 | lord_rob | thanks cahoot |
| 18:01.32 | ktn | cahoot, I've removed tulip, than updated initramfs with: update-initramfs -tu Is that what you mean? |
| 18:01.33 | freaky_t | can anyone help me? i want samba to listen on tun0 (for openvpn) but nmbd says: |
| 18:01.33 | freaky_t | not adding non-broadcast interface tun0 |
| 18:01.33 | freaky_t | WARNING: no network interfaces found |
| 18:01.41 | person | lillis: I think it's xfce-desktop |
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| 18:01.49 | freaky_t | anyone knows how i can get samba to listen on that tun0 interface? |
| 18:02.08 | cahoot | ktn: /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs - one reconfigures the linux-image |
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| 18:02.42 | kaeles | freaky_t: problem is that smb uses netbios and whatnot broadcast to communicate the discovery services |
| 18:03.24 | freaky_t | kaeles someone told me if i run samba as WINS server and set the server as WINS server on the windows machines normal filesharing would work ... |
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| 18:03.38 | kaeles | but your doing this over a vpn? |
| 18:03.57 | freaky_t | yes i want it to listen on my tun0 interface |
| 18:04.07 | freaky_t | he said i dont need a bridging setup - routing works with this WINS server |
| 18:04.19 | freaky_t | bridging setup is only required for layer2 traffic |
| 18:04.22 | kaeles | right |
| 18:04.33 | freaky_t | (OSI) |
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| 18:04.56 | freaky_t | so now im trying to get this working since 5 days and really nobody can help me :( |
| 18:05.22 | kaeles | yea, meaning just ethernet traffic I'm aware, you can pass normal traffic both ways? |
| 18:06.10 | kaeles | meaning, the route to the machines on the network you are vpn'ed into is setup correctly, as well as the other way around and all that jazz? |
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| 18:10.59 | freaky_t | kaeles yes i can ping the server and i can ping me from the server |
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| 18:11.07 | freaky_t | with the vpn IP addresses |
| 18:11.13 | freaky_t | ifconfig also shows the interface |
| 18:11.15 | freaky_t | tun0 |
| 18:11.44 | szonek | hi |
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| 18:13.02 | szonek | do you know any dhcp server which save it's data in database? |
| 18:13.14 | kaeles | not sure man, I was using just ipsec tunnels and it worked fine, but that was a long time ago, don't remember what I did to get it to work. |
| 18:13.22 | kaeles | ls |
| 18:13.27 | kaeles | ... |
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| 18:13.46 | foetus | what is a better replacement for '-fomit-frame-pointer'? i like to optimize a build of p7zip, but tests with the option upon are resulting in a 'weaky' binary, so what is a better solution? |
| 18:14.48 | pipeline | foetus: don't omit the frame pointer.... |
| 18:15.03 | pipeline | foetus: s/\s*-fomit-frame-pointer// |
| 18:15.40 | foetus | pipeline: whats the difference? |
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| 18:16.42 | \amethyst | it saves a register (for most functions) and a few instructions per function call |
| 18:16.53 | \amethyst | at the expense of making debugging more difficult |
| 18:18.02 | \amethyst | there's also -momit-leaf-frame-pointer |
| 18:18.24 | \amethyst | which omits frame pointers only for functions that do not call other functions |
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| 18:19.30 | lolufail | hi |
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| 18:19.37 | pipeline | foetus: fine-tuning your compiler flags is a waste of time. gcc -O -pipe. That's all you need. -O has all of the sensible things turned on. Period. |
| 18:19.54 | pipeline | foetus: gcc's authors know what you're doing better than you do, most of the time :D |
| 18:19.54 | lolufail | how can I change where qemu boots from, when starting it via virsh?? |
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| 18:20.45 | \amethyst | pipeline: why -O rather than -O2 ? |
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| 18:21.20 | \amethyst | (or -Os or -O3) |
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| 18:21.47 | pipeline | \amethyst: because the argument is a tempest in a teacup. Nothing to gain, a little to lose. -O has all of the sensible items enabled. That's the end of the story, really. |
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| 18:22.03 | \amethyst | pipeline: not really... -O doesn't turn anything on that increases compilation time |
| 18:22.07 | lolufail | anybody? |
| 18:22.12 | \amethyst | s/increases/greatly increases/ |
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| 18:24.56 | foetus | pipeline: oops |
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| 18:25.46 | ukl | hello. Do you know anything comparable to Archlinux's AUR for Debian GNU/Linux? I used Arch for a while now and I'd like to get back to Debian, but I'd miss its wonderful way to handle svn/git-based packages (There're like meta-distfiles that describe what to do and the package manager keeps track of what the "make; make install" process yields and build a package from that (in an automatic way)) |
| 18:27.00 | petemc | ukl: stow, perhaps |
| 18:27.15 | \amethyst | ukl: there are various *-buildpackage utilities, where * is a version control system |
| 18:27.24 | ukl | I never really got into the building of deb packages, so I might have just missed that part. |
| 18:27.41 | ukl | \amethyst: see, I didn't know about that |
| 18:27.50 | ukl | petemc: thanks for the hint.. |
| 18:28.28 | foetus | forget it at all, linux standard should be '-O2', look into the kernelsource. The problem is, their '-fomit-frame-pointer' does not work well on standard applications. So i need an replacement or a better solution - thats all. |
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| 18:29.20 | foetus | gcc itself is compiled with '-O2'. |
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| 18:29.37 | pipeline | ukl: there is a tool that automates the creation of pretty useless packages that lack dependency information, so that you can cleanly installing/uninstall things you fiddled with using make... can't remember what the tool is called. |
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| 18:29.49 | petemc | checkinstall? |
| 18:29.58 | pipeline | ukl: ahah, "checkinstall" ! |
| 18:30.16 | pipeline | petemc: yes :P |
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| 18:31.36 | ukl | pipeline: thanks. I even remember this one... |
| 18:31.36 | foetus | i have written a better tool called debianize. but checkinstall is useful sometimes, for sure. |
| 18:32.01 | foetus | but whats with the frame pointer? any suggestions? |
| 18:32.02 | micket | foetus: how do they differ? |
| 18:32.45 | ukl | Did I get this right, using e.g. git-buildpackage with just any git-repository of a package that is not already in Debian's repositories, I basically need to create a package, with "debian/*" etc? |
| 18:33.52 | foetus | micket: the deb packages created by checkinstall are a piece of crap, imho. debianize is debian-specific. |
| 18:33.53 | lolufail | how can I pass on arguments for starting a domain? such as "virsh start lenny1 -boot d" ? |
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| 18:34.22 | theswellseason | I just got a printer that I'm planning to network with both my machine and my boyfriend's. His is running Vista, but I'm running Debian/Vista (mainly debian). I cannot for the life of me figure out how I'd get it working. Any suggestions? |
| 18:35.04 | foetus | micket: but the rpms created by checkinstall are useful. |
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| 18:36.43 | beardy | !cups |
| 18:36.44 | dpkg | methinks cups is the Common UNIX Printing System. Supports the Internet Printing Protocol. Ask me about <cups setup>. http://www.cups.org/ |
| 18:36.58 | beardy | theswellseason: /msg dpkg cups setup |
| 18:37.45 | debidebi | hi everyone, im a windows user and want to swtich to Linux, i read and decided to install debian. is this link okay to download and burn ? |
| 18:37.47 | debidebi | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-501-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 18:38.47 | debidebi | there are also CD-2 CD-3 CD-4 CD-5 bla bla bla |
| 18:38.48 | \amethyst | debidebi: yes, but you might want to get debian-501-i386-netinst.iso instead, if you plan on having internet access when you install |
| 18:38.52 | foetus | micket: converting with alien was the first choice, but i don't need it anymore. debianize makes install into a destdir, reading out the package name and the version of the Makefile, creates a destdir with the given name and version, is packing the result into a tar.gz, is extracting back and than debhelper makes the rest. |
| 18:39.03 | beardy | debidebi: Yes it is. However, you can download a much smaller image, containing the installer itself only, and then download only the packages you choose to install. But yes, the link you have there works, it is the first cd in the .. many cd set. |
| 18:39.06 | \amethyst | debidebi: the packages that aren't on the CDs will be downloaded when you install |
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| 18:39.12 | beardy | !netinstall |
| 18:39.12 | dpkg | well, netinst is a small CD image (or set of floppy images) which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
| 18:39.16 | beardy | debidebi: ^^¨ |
| 18:39.31 | foetus | maybe its interesting. |
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| 18:41.15 | debidebi | hmm i got it, you say if i download cd-1 then i will have to make some updates |
| 18:41.25 | debidebi | right? |
| 18:42.17 | foetus | ok, lets work. |
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| 18:44.07 | debidebi | so please can you give me a link for netinst |
| 18:44.38 | beardy | debidebi: There might be secutiry updates for some of the things on cd 1 yes. Use the smallest netinstall image, and you will install the latest packages immediately. In your case I'd imagine the download time would be the same, since you probably will install a desktop environment, or the Desktop task even, which brings in a lot of packages. (That are, afaik, on cd 1.) |
| 18:44.55 | beardy | debidebi: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ (dpkg did, above) |
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| 18:45.40 | hexoroid | is there a way to extrac tar.gz so it doesnt create a folder |
| 18:45.46 | hexoroid | to extract it to the current dir |
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| 18:48.00 | debidebi | beardy: is this same with your link? http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 18:50.05 | rascal999 | why does debian have iso's as cd 1 2 3 etc? |
| 18:50.37 | thrashold | Can someone suggest some easy guide for creating Debian packages? Preferably, not the guide itself should be that easy, but the procedure. Like some automatic tool or something. :) |
| 18:51.33 | petemc | rascal999: its hard to fit 30 gig or more on 1 cd |
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| 18:54.03 | rascal999 | petemc: in installing debian from cd1, do you get option to configure as LAMP? |
| 18:54.26 | petemc | you should, yes |
| 18:54.46 | debidebi | im downloading netinst and it is 150 mb, right? |
| 18:54.47 | petemc | im not sure what packages are on cd1, but if you have a net connection you can grab all you need from a mirrore |
| 18:55.54 | thrashold | Is creating Debian packages with checkinstall a good idea? Cause everything else seems damn hard |
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| 18:56.44 | gravity | It's not actually very hard, but the learning curve is not particularly gentle |
| 18:57.10 | debidebi | in the website it says netinst is 180 mb but now im downloading it and it is 150 mb, this is not a problem, is it? |
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| 18:57.23 | gravity | But it's essentially a Makefile building the software and installing it to the correct places. That's it. |
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| 18:57.40 | thrashold | By hard I mean having to write the whole control file and stuff by hand everytime for every single package. I still don't know how to do so, but I'm still not fond of the idea doing it. |
| 18:58.00 | gravity | thrashold: dh-make will help you |
| 18:58.21 | gravity | Or dh_make, I don't recall if it's hyphen or underscore |
| 18:58.28 | thrashold | Thank you :) |
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| 18:58.35 | gravity | No problem |
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| 18:59.17 | deadman | ive added the username ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/firestarter to sudoers file, but still it prompts me to enter root pass, can someone please help me |
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| 19:04.22 | person | Hope this is relevant enough: can I put lenny debs in a Mepis APT Cache? |
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| 19:05.49 | jlindsay | Host is a bot, sending porn links |
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| 19:08.33 | \amethyst | deadman: do you have a later rule in your sudoers file that also matches |
| 19:08.35 | \amethyst | deadman: ? |
| 19:09.14 | debidebi | in the website it says netinst is 180 mb but now im downloading it and it is 150 mb, this is not a problem, is it? |
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| 19:09.25 | micket | ouch. X just crashes while i was installing in aptitude. It was a small upgrade so i dont remember which packages (so i can't check the programs) and aptitude doesn't seem to show any problems. Does that mean that they finished installing before the crash? |
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| 19:09.53 | \amethyst | deadman: if this user is allowed to run any command with a password, and a particular command without a password, the more specific rule must be later in the sudoers file |
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| 19:14.01 | KDE4000 | !ops Host sending porn links |
| 19:14.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: kde4000 complains about: Host sending porn links |
| 19:14.03 | KDE4000 | lag -.- |
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| 19:14.36 | tomaw | KDE4000: ta |
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| 19:15.09 | ajavid | awww |
| 19:15.19 | ajavid | free porn links! |
| 19:15.22 | ajavid | heh heh. |
| 19:15.32 | ajavid | KDE4000, how is kde4? |
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| 19:15.50 | ajavid | its still highly unstable, crashed a lot, so I am on xfce4 |
| 19:16.05 | ajavid | its kinda like kde4, only its not. ITs actually stable. its also version 4 |
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| 19:17.02 | deadman | \amethyst, i didnt understand |
| 19:17.04 | Lord | I'm looking for a ftp server which uses its own users lists (not the local one) with its own file permissions system. Does someone know this ? |
| 19:17.16 | \amethyst | deadman: what is the content of your sudoers? |
| 19:17.21 | deadman | there are two entries in the sudoers file for the same user |
| 19:17.38 | \amethyst | deadman: then the more specific entry has to come later in the sudoers file |
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| 19:17.53 | deadman | deadman ALL=NOPASSWD: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 19:17.54 | deadman | deadman ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/firestarter |
| 19:18.01 | \amethyst | deadman: oh, then it shouldn't matter |
| 19:18.16 | ajavid | is there a stable java thas free for amd64 |
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| 19:18.36 | ajavid | a JRE in debian should render fonts to be anti aliased, right? |
| 19:18.48 | deadman | \amethyst, so why cant i run ifconfig and firestarter without the pass |
| 19:18.52 | deadman | any idea? |
| 19:19.05 | ajavid | sun's JRE is non-free, unsupported, so if it doesn't render AA fonts, I try the open java, and I still don't get anti aliased fonts |
| 19:19.26 | ajavid | I've been at it for a few days now, and I can't for the life of me get AA fonts in JRE/random java apps |
| 19:19.33 | \amethyst | deadman: how are you running them exactly? |
| 19:19.40 | ajavid | there has got to be a global settings somewhere, can't edit code for all the apps |
| 19:19.45 | ajavid | anyone? please advise |
| 19:19.56 | \amethyst | deadman: because it should work |
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| 19:20.09 | \amethyst | deadman: are there any later entries in your sudoers file? |
| 19:20.14 | deadman | \amethyst, i just type firestarter in the console |
| 19:20.26 | \amethyst | deadman: sudo firestarter |
| 19:20.39 | deadman | there is this line %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL |
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| 19:20.44 | jelly-home | deadman: you didn't tell sudo to allow any arguments |
| 19:20.49 | \amethyst | deadman: are you in the admin group ? |
| 19:20.54 | ajavid | thats specific to ubuntu |
| 19:21.00 | \amethyst | deadman: id will tell you |
| 19:21.01 | ajavid | I'm fairly positive |
| 19:21.05 | deadman | \amethyst, yeah i figured the mistake i think |
| 19:21.09 | deadman | i dont add sudo |
| 19:21.11 | deadman | to the command |
| 19:21.12 | ajavid | debian does not add a %admin group entry in sudo |
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| 19:21.20 | deadman | sudo firestarter loads without pass :) |
| 19:21.22 | ajavid | not in stable, not in sid |
| 19:21.31 | \amethyst | but his sudoers may be copied over from an ubuntu machine |
| 19:21.37 | ajavid | possibly |
| 19:21.43 | ajavid | please verify. |
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| 19:22.03 | jelly-home | in fact, getent group admin returns nothing on my debian |
| 19:22.12 | jelly-home | there is no group like that at all |
| 19:22.12 | ajavid | jelly-home, of course it doesn't |
| 19:22.20 | ajavid | puts jelly-home in a group |
| 19:22.25 | ajavid | ! dun dun dun |
| 19:22.25 | deadman | brb |
| 19:22.38 | deadman | thanks a lot \amethyst :) your a real gem :) hehe |
| 19:22.46 | \amethyst | groans |
| 19:22.54 | ajavid | alright mr. gem |
| 19:22.59 | ajavid | wanna hel me out with java problem |
| 19:23.04 | ajavid | :) |
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| 19:23.09 | jelly-home | hels ajavid |
| 19:23.14 | ajavid | I mean help |
| 19:23.14 | \amethyst | Maybe Mr Coffee can help you with that |
| 19:23.19 | ajavid | haha |
| 19:23.31 | ajavid | I always have coffee when I Watch mr. radar |
| 19:23.37 | ajavid | you know that |
| 19:23.43 | ajavid | yes sir, we all know that. |
| 19:23.47 | ajavid | (cover dicks) |
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| 19:24.24 | jelly-home | gives ajavid the raspberry |
| 19:24.36 | ajavid | ahhhh, jammed! |
| 19:24.37 | ajavid | ugh |
| 19:24.48 | ajavid | but seriously though, I need AA fonts in random java apps |
| 19:24.52 | ajavid | any ideas at all? |
| 19:24.55 | ajavid | anyone? |
| 19:25.17 | micket | ajavid: yes, you need to export a java option, let me check |
| 19:25.25 | \amethyst | ajavid: does running something with java -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on -Dswing.aatext=true help? |
| 19:25.34 | ajavid | \amethyst, no |
| 19:25.56 | ajavid | neither does th other option that enables h_rgb sub pixel rendering |
| 19:25.59 | jelly-home | do your random apps use Swing at all? |
| 19:26.11 | ajavid | well its netbeans 6.7 beta or 6.5.1 for php |
| 19:26.14 | ajavid | or frostwire |
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| 19:26.17 | micket | ajavid: then i dont know either :/ |
| 19:26.17 | ajavid | those are the only two I use |
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| 19:26.37 | ajavid | there 3 optinos total, 2 mentioned by \amethyst |
| 19:26.42 | \amethyst | ajavid: http://www.netbeans.org/kb/articles/netbeans-hacks-2.html#antialiasing |
| 19:26.42 | Polizei | i personally use nano :-) |
| 19:26.46 | ajavid | one more I found regarding subpixel rendering |
| 19:27.00 | ajavid | \amethyst, ok, what about frostwire |
| 19:27.07 | ajavid | or java irc client on freenode |
| 19:27.08 | ajavid | :) |
| 19:27.16 | ajavid | checking link now |
| 19:27.58 | Ender2070 | ajavid - irssi is ftw |
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| 19:28.19 | ajavid | really |
| 19:28.26 | ajavid | what is irssi? |
| 19:28.34 | \amethyst | ajavid: you need to add the -D stuff to the java command-line, not the program's command line |
| 19:28.38 | seanw | http://irssi.org/ :) |
| 19:28.47 | \amethyst | ajavid: or put it in JAVA_OPTS if the script uses that |
| 19:28.50 | Ender2070 | ajavid - terminal based irc client |
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| 19:29.02 | ajavid | \amethyst, well I went to /etc/netbeans.conf and I added that into the thing for that |
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| 19:29.14 | ajavid | I thought if the netbeans launch script calls java with those switches it will work |
| 19:29.16 | ONE_PATE1 | hello |
| 19:29.18 | ajavid | let me try what you saying |
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| 19:29.36 | \amethyst | ajavid: that's what I meant, have the launch script add -Dblah -Dblah to the java command line |
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| 19:29.48 | ajavid | 03:29 [freenode] [ctcp(ajavid)] VERSION |
| 19:29.48 | ajavid | 03:29 [freenode] ajavid [n=ajavid@unaffiliated/ajavid] requested CTCP VERSION from ajavid: |
| 19:29.51 | ajavid | 03:29 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from ajavid: = irssi v0.8.12 |
| 19:29.52 | jelly-home | didn't even know netbeans was in debian |
| 19:29.53 | ajavid | \amethyst, well then yes, I did that |
| 19:29.58 | ONE_PATE1 | i have a old THinkpad laptop with Pentium 1 133Mhz, 16mb Ram, want to install debain, it is posibly ? |
| 19:30.00 | ajavid | jelly-home, very old version |
| 19:30.01 | ONE_PATE1 | without x |
| 19:30.12 | enouf | ajavid: wtf? |
| 19:30.17 | ajavid | enouf, ? |
| 19:30.20 | ajavid | irssi ftw dude |
| 19:30.24 | jelly-home | ONE_PATE1: not really |
| 19:30.31 | ajavid | didn't you see the other guy tell me to use irssi |
| 19:30.38 | ajavid | I switched to irssi, I was on java irc ;) |
| 19:30.46 | enouf | ajavid: nobobdy gives a crap about your ctcp version |
| 19:30.47 | ajavid | how? bit magic. |
| 19:30.57 | PiousMinion | How do I find out if hyper-threading is available and actively being used? |
| 19:30.58 | enouf | oh .. what a friggin dump! |
| 19:31.00 | ajavid | wow you totally missed it |
| 19:31.02 | ajavid | what an old man. |
| 19:31.03 | ONE_PATE1 | jelly-home: hm i thought without x it is posibly.. |
| 19:31.07 | amphi | enouf: teehee |
| 19:31.10 | ajavid | grampa |
| 19:31.12 | ajavid | amphi, ! |
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| 19:31.16 | jelly-home | ONE_PATE1: dpkg swaps even with 64MB |
| 19:31.16 | ajavid | pin mofo |
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| 19:31.27 | enouf | cains ajavid with abel |
| 19:31.35 | ajavid | seriously.. old man walkin' |
| 19:31.41 | ajavid | siddown |
| 19:31.42 | amphi | speels enouf with a 'g' |
| 19:31.50 | micket | \amethyst: ajavid: how about export _JAVA_OPTIONS="-Dawt.blablabla.etc" ? |
| 19:31.57 | ajavid | \amethyst, see |
| 19:32.03 | enouf | mr riffmaster to youyoung greenback |
| 19:32.04 | ajavid | i have not ok ill try this |
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| 19:32.12 | \amethyst | leading underscore? |
| 19:32.16 | micket | Yes. |
| 19:32.18 | ajavid | micket, what _ is needed? |
| 19:32.19 | ajavid | ok |
| 19:32.25 | micket | export _JAVA_OPTIONS="-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on -Xmx256m" |
| 19:32.25 | ajavid | let me try |
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| 19:32.38 | ajavid | 2nd option does what? |
| 19:32.44 | enouf | amphi: did you really miss the biblical reference? :-P |
| 19:32.49 | micket | more heap, just remove it. |
| 19:32.54 | amphi | pøn |
| 19:32.59 | micket | I had to have it for another program. |
| 19:33.12 | ajavid | ok |
| 19:33.15 | ajavid | lets try frostwire |
| 19:33.16 | enouf | utf8! |
| 19:33.19 | amphi | enouf: I tried to, but it bludgeoned me from behind |
| 19:33.25 | enouf | heh |
| 19:33.30 | ajavid | micket, thank you very much buddy |
| 19:33.37 | ajavid | micket, does it matter which JRE? |
| 19:33.50 | ONE_PATE1 | jelly-home: hmm what i can try it wich distro |
| 19:33.59 | enouf | update-javapoop-alternatives |
| 19:33.59 | micket | sun java and openjdk worked for me at least. |
| 19:34.11 | ajavid | ok |
| 19:34.23 | ajavid | enouf, bugger off, calculator runner! |
| 19:34.32 | enouf | bloatwire |
| 19:34.33 | ajavid | enouf, upgrade from the ABACUS already |
| 19:34.35 | ajavid | ffs. |
| 19:35.03 | ajavid | javapoop |
| 19:35.03 | teraflops | ONE_PATE1: I have debian running in a virtual machine and I dropped the memory to 16 MB... |
| 19:35.06 | ajavid | hehe |
| 19:35.14 | ajavid | you and your crazy terminology |
| 19:35.17 | enouf | conforms ajavid into luddite worm meal |
| 19:35.24 | teraflops | When I run top, it shows 652k memory free. :) |
| 19:35.37 | ajavid | teraflops, fun |
| 19:35.45 | micket | 642k! thats enough for everyone! |
| 19:35.51 | teraflops | lol |
| 19:35.53 | ONE_PATE1 | teraflops: it runs ? |
| 19:36.05 | ajavid | what the FUCK is an avahi demon |
| 19:36.11 | enouf | ajavid: kill it |
| 19:36.13 | teraflops | Bear in mind that I had the memory cranked higher when I installed the thing. |
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| 19:36.28 | enouf | man avahi-daemon - it's zeroconf / mDNS crap |
| 19:36.40 | ajavid | ahh |
| 19:36.41 | ONE_PATE1 | hmm |
| 19:36.42 | teraflops | but it's doing nothing right now... |
| 19:37.06 | ajavid | grave bugs of sun-java6-bin (-> 6-13-1) <unfixed> #523330 - [sun-java6-bin] sun-java6-bin doesn't work |
| 19:37.09 | ajavid | oh my god |
| 19:37.11 | ajavid | thats priceless |
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| 19:37.22 | ajavid | lol |
| 19:37.26 | enouf | locate libnss-mdns |
| 19:37.31 | ajavid | ahhh boy |
| 19:37.38 | ajavid | getting testing |
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| 19:38.04 | JordiGH | How do you monitor disk activity? How does gnome-system-monitor do it? |
| 19:38.57 | teraflops | ONE_PATE1: If you try it, make sure you give yourself a decent amount of swap space. |
| 19:39.06 | ajavid | whats the package name of the free java alternative? |
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| 19:39.14 | ajavid | !java |
| 19:39.15 | dpkg | somebody said java was a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:39.22 | ajavid | nm |
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| 19:39.39 | ONE_PATE1 | teraflops: 1 gigs ? |
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| 19:41.09 | teraflops | The usual rule is 2X your memory, but if you have disk to spare I could see 1 GB. |
| 19:41.17 | ajavid | teraflops, so |
| 19:41.24 | ajavid | teraflops, you want me to make a 16GB swap? |
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| 19:41.31 | thrashold | ajavid: I did |
| 19:41.44 | ajavid | you did what? |
| 19:41.47 | teraflops | 16 GB is pretty huge. |
| 19:41.56 | teraflops | Why would you do that? |
| 19:41.59 | ajavid | well by your rule, I have 8gb, I need 16 gb |
| 19:42.00 | ajavid | right? |
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| 19:42.08 | jelly-hme | ajavid: meh, don't go above 4GiB |
| 19:42.10 | ajavid | !swap |
| 19:42.10 | dpkg | swap is, like, RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM, you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a swap file and use that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space#Swapping_in_Linux |
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| 19:42.12 | teraflops | It's an old rule. |
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| 19:42.16 | teraflops | :P |
| 19:42.16 | ajavid | jelly-hme, I'm aware :) |
| 19:42.22 | ajavid | just giving teraflops a hard time |
| 19:42.48 | jelly-hme | teraflops: your thumbs need to be remeasured for the 2000s |
| 19:42.54 | ajavid | lol |
| 19:43.05 | ajavid | jelly-hme, you missed an o |
| 19:43.19 | jelly-hme | ? |
| 19:43.26 | teraflops | I know. I know. just trying to help someone with a really old machine |
| 19:43.34 | ajavid | jelly-hme vs. jelly-home |
| 19:44.01 | PiousMinion | Hi, /proc/cpuinfo shows "ht" so I should have hyperthreading. IS there a way I can see if it's actually being used? |
| 19:44.16 | ajavid | PiousMinion, htop should reprot 4 cpu cores |
| 19:44.31 | ajavid | with p4 ht I had 2 cpus show, while it was just one |
| 19:44.38 | PiousMinion | ajavid: It's a P4 with HT. ...should it report 2? |
| 19:44.43 | ajavid | with dual core HT you should see 4 cores |
| 19:44.49 | PiousMinion | kk |
| 19:44.50 | ajavid | PiousMinion, yes, then you should have 2 |
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| 19:46.19 | PiousMinion | htop doesn't say anything about multiple cpus, but I know my cpu has HT. Do I need to do something to enable it? |
| 19:46.20 | ajavid | grave bugs of gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio (-> 0.10.14-2) <unfixed> #509633 - pidgin crashes randomly |
| 19:46.33 | ajavid | just in bios |
| 19:46.37 | ajavid | thats about all I can think of |
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| 19:46.56 | ajavid | usually called hyperthreading or multithreading |
| 19:47.04 | PiousMinion | didn't recall anything in there about it, but I will check. |
| 19:47.05 | PiousMinion | thanks |
| 19:47.07 | ajavid | also, in bios, cpu screen should report if it is |
| 19:47.12 | ajavid | ht capable or not |
| 19:47.15 | PiousMinion | kk |
| 19:47.15 | ajavid | or if its turned on or not |
| 19:47.55 | PiousMinion | reboots |
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| 19:48.27 | KDE4000 | [12:15:30] <ajavid> KDE4000, how is kde4? |
| 19:48.28 | blackest_knight | hi I've a slightly complicated network setup my laptop is on 192.168.2.x and I want to mount a nfs share thats on 192.168.3.1 (192.168.3.1 is also the gateway for my router (its got an address on the wan port of 192.168.2.254 and on the lan side its 192.168.3.1 |
| 19:48.30 | KDE4000 | ajavid: its sweet |
| 19:49.05 | ajavid | blackest_knight, ##networking |
| 19:49.11 | ajavid | blackest_knight, this is not debian specific. |
| 19:49.16 | ajavid | blackest_knight, good luck |
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| 19:49.53 | ajavid | or ##linux |
| 19:50.08 | ajavid | as it seems like a generic linux question, not specific to debian's pacakges of nfs |
| 19:50.10 | dddd45455 | how can i see what kernel modules are loaded |
| 19:50.11 | ajavid | :) |
| 19:50.16 | ajavid | lsmod |
| 19:50.19 | dddd45455 | thx |
| 19:50.29 | ajavid | huge list, lsmod|less, lsmod|grep whatever module name here |
| 19:50.38 | blackest_knight | darn got that wrong 192.168.2.1 is the server and gateway 192.168.2.254 is the address assigned to the wan port 192.168.3.1 is the address of the router on the lan and 192.168.3.x is my laptop trying to connect to the nfs share on 192.168.2.1 |
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| 19:52.20 | dondelelcaro | blackest_knight: and you can ping the nfs share? |
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| 19:54.12 | guiss | hello guys, do anyone knows where I can find documentation in order to enable the use of NBD instead of NFS on a Debian LTS? |
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| 19:55.06 | dddd45455 | i successfully loaded my dvb-t usb card in the kernel, but kaffeine doesnt recognize it |
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| 19:55.32 | simonrvn | guiss: is nbd even capable of netboot? |
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| 19:56.37 | guiss | simonrvn: I am using Debian with NFS but from time to time the clients just hang and can't seem to find out why, so I thought to give NBD a try |
| 19:57.14 | ajavid | you don't try nbd without a solid connection that has 99.99999% guaranteed uptime |
| 19:57.28 | mordy_ | nbd=network block device? |
| 19:57.30 | ajavid | otherwise you have data loss, io errors, wait times, etc. etc. |
| 19:57.34 | ajavid | mordy_, yes |
| 19:57.39 | simonrvn | yes mordy_ |
| 19:57.43 | ajavid | ata over eth, similar thing |
| 19:57.44 | mordy_ | is that's what's also referred to as iscsi? or something else |
| 19:57.53 | ajavid | no idea what iscsi |
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| 19:58.07 | simonrvn | guiss: next time it happens, look for rpciod hogging for cpu, in top |
| 19:58.13 | mordy_ | ata over eth requires special hardware, i thihnk |
| 19:58.15 | simonrvn | no, iscsi is something else |
| 19:58.35 | ajavid | mordy_, you're windows weenie aren't ya |
| 19:58.40 | simonrvn | nbd is even more abstract than that |
| 19:58.42 | ajavid | mordy_, they have a nbd server for windows |
| 19:58.46 | mordy_ | me? windows? |
| 19:58.52 | simonrvn | ajavid: why do you say that? |
| 19:58.58 | ajavid | back in the day I exported my disks out of xp and mounted on deb |
| 19:58.59 | ajavid | heh |
| 19:59.06 | ajavid | simonrvn, teasing |
| 19:59.15 | mordy_ | ajavid teases me often |
| 19:59.19 | mordy_ | it's ok |
| 19:59.23 | simonrvn | *nods* |
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| 19:59.49 | mordy_ | oh, i was wondering how pinning works in respect to dependencies |
| 19:59.53 | Kanisterschleife | hi |
| 20:00.00 | ajavid | mordy_, did you read the preferences manual? |
| 20:00.01 | mordy_ | and can i have different rules for dependencies |
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| 20:00.06 | mordy_ | ajavid: like five times :| |
| 20:00.07 | ajavid | mordy_, 100, 500, 990, 1000 |
| 20:00.09 | dddd45455 | how do i install a newer version of the network manager, like the one in ubuntu? |
| 20:00.11 | mordy_ | probably need to read it another fice |
| 20:00.13 | enouf | mordy_: don't bother |
| 20:00.15 | ajavid | and how is it not self explanatory? |
| 20:00.15 | mordy_ | five |
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| 20:00.22 | enouf | use backports - or backport your own |
| 20:00.23 | simonrvn | was just wondering ;). thought there was a reason for the question instead of just being silly |
| 20:00.28 | ajavid | enouf, for what he wants, he needs to pin |
| 20:00.32 | Kanisterschleife | I'm using debian lenny. Why does installing gnus require the exact version 21 of emacs to be installed? I'm using emacs 22 |
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| 20:01.03 | simonrvn | Kanisterschleife: i don't know. i think it should be updated, TBF. |
| 20:01.03 | ajavid | simonrvn, hello btw, long time no chat |
| 20:01.10 | simonrvn | hi |
| 20:01.14 | ajavid | simonrvn, I hope everything is fantastic on your side |
| 20:01.15 | mordy_ | eats roasted gnu |
| 20:01.25 | simonrvn | generally |
| 20:01.28 | ajavid | word |
| 20:01.37 | dmoerner | Kanisterschleife, gnus is distributed with emacs22, you don't need the extra package installed |
| 20:01.41 | Elenixa | hi, can someone help on a apt-get install client for a VNC ? |
| 20:01.44 | theswellseason | I have CUPS installed on my system, and I installed Gutenprint, because I know that it has the driver for my system, but how do I get CUPS to recognize the Gutenprint drivers? |
| 20:01.49 | simonrvn | that explains it |
| 20:01.54 | simonrvn | thanks dmoerner |
| 20:01.59 | ajavid | Elenixa, tightvnc |
| 20:02.04 | PiousMinion | ajavid: bios has very limited information about cpu. Speed and multiplier are the only things listed. ...but if linux can see that it has "ht", shouldn't that be enough? |
| 20:02.08 | ajavid | Elenixa, apt-cache search vnc, apt-get install pkgname |
| 20:02.11 | Kanisterschleife | dmoerner: oh, that's a good reason. didn't know that, thank you |
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| 20:02.18 | ajavid | PiousMinion, should be |
| 20:02.21 | ajavid | I'm no expert though |
| 20:02.27 | mordy_ | PiousMinion: linux determines the features of the CPU based on the CPU ID |
| 20:02.38 | ajavid | Elenixa, I use xtightvncviewer and tightvncserver |
| 20:02.43 | mordy_ | "ht" is hyperthreading btw; don't know what the context of this thread is though |
| 20:02.45 | ajavid | imo its the best |
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| 20:03.02 | ajavid | mordy_, he can see ht flag in cpuinfo |
| 20:03.05 | PiousMinion | mordy_: Yes, I'm trying to get hyperthreading working. Ideas? |
| 20:03.07 | ajavid | mordy_, though top repots only one cpu |
| 20:03.11 | PiousMinion | aye |
| 20:03.16 | mordy_ | oh.. hmm... |
| 20:03.16 | enouf | PiousMinion: enable it in the bios |
| 20:03.18 | Elenixa | I'll try then xtightvncviewer |
| 20:03.20 | ajavid | mordy_, whereas afaik it should report two |
| 20:03.26 | mordy_ | yeah enable it in the bios |
| 20:03.29 | mordy_ | it should report two |
| 20:03.32 | enouf | PiousMinion: unDisable ACPI |
| 20:03.40 | mordy_ | it could also be mentioned as "SMT" |
| 20:03.41 | grn | How can I change file association? I've installed xpdf and now Firefox wants to open PDFs with it instead of Evince. |
| 20:03.41 | PiousMinion | enouf: very limited options in bios for cpu. ht not being one of them. |
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| 20:03.48 | ajavid | I had no idea acpi might have anythign to do with it |
| 20:03.51 | PiousMinion | undisable acpi? hmm |
| 20:03.56 | enouf | PiousMinion: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 20:04.10 | ajavid | grn, perhaps update-alternatives for a pdf? |
| 20:04.12 | mordy_ | PiousMinion: btw what CPU is this? |
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| 20:04.15 | ajavid | grn, no clue |
| 20:04.25 | PiousMinion | I'll pastebin cpuinfo |
| 20:04.34 | mordy_ | however, i think my old processor also had a "HT" flag but it didn't really have HT |
| 20:04.44 | enouf | PiousMinion: you're using which Debian kernel? |
| 20:04.44 | mordy_ | so the flags are not always that accurate apparently |
| 20:04.47 | PiousMinion | This is a P4 with HT for sure. |
| 20:04.56 | mordy_ | hmm... which model? |
| 20:04.59 | mordy_ | not all of them had it |
| 20:05.18 | enouf | still, grep HT /boot/config-$KERNELVERSION |
| 20:05.26 | ajavid | actually grn if you're on xfce/gnome/kde you can easily change file ascociation throug thier respective file managers |
| 20:05.39 | ajavid | grn, right click the file in the DE's fm, open with, etc. etc. |
| 20:05.39 | mordy_ | as a side note; you don't want to enable HT on a P4 because it will just make it worse :P |
| 20:05.46 | PiousMinion | mordy_: I'd have to pull it to see. I've lookedit up in the past though. I know it has HT. |
| 20:05.51 | enouf | CONFIG_X86_HT=y |
| 20:05.52 | grn | ajavid, no I'm an OpenBoxer |
| 20:05.53 | Elenixa | ty ajavid |
| 20:06.00 | ajavid | np |
| 20:06.04 | enouf | CONFIG_HT_IRQ=y |
| 20:06.11 | mordy_ | i'm using openbox myself here |
| 20:06.28 | ajavid | then consult the /etc/alternatives perhaps |
| 20:06.37 | ajavid | there is one for pdf,I don' thave one, I have a brand spanking install |
| 20:06.43 | PiousMinion | enouf: those options are enabled in /boot/configxxx |
| 20:06.43 | enouf | awaits atleast 2 separate answers |
| 20:06.46 | grn | ajavid, thanks for tips |
| 20:07.02 | ajavid | yw |
| 20:07.02 | enouf | awaits atleast 1 separate answers |
| 20:07.08 | PiousMinion | enouf: also, acpi is not diabled as per /proc/cmdline |
| 20:07.13 | enouf | prove it |
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| 20:07.33 | PiousMinion | How would I go about doing that? |
| 20:07.40 | enouf | awaits other answer about Debian Kernel |
| 20:07.49 | enouf | show us |
| 20:07.59 | mordy_ | pgrep acpid |
| 20:08.02 | PiousMinion | I'll pastebin all that you have asked. :) |
| 20:08.07 | enouf | grep ACPI /var/log/dmesg | wc -l |
| 20:08.14 | mordy_ | lol |
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| 20:08.38 | enouf | well. .. if you do that - pastebin all output from the /var/log/dmesg |
| 20:09.05 | mordy_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:09.30 | enouf | mordy_: it's a static one leftover from boot time |
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| 20:09.48 | enouf | mordy_: your dmesg command is a consistent scrolling kernel ring buffer |
| 20:09.53 | mordy_ | and /var/log/messages is? |
| 20:10.01 | enouf | mordy_: something else |
| 20:10.11 | BilokShem | Hi I am looking for someone who is interested in having anonymous gay sex with me |
| 20:10.16 | BilokShem | anyone interested? |
| 20:10.20 | mordy_ | i thought _that_ was the static file that showed everything from bootup |
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| 20:10.31 | mordy_ | lol |
| 20:10.38 | enouf | mordy_: ever seen a dmesg output show nothing but thousands of errors? well that's when /var/log/dmesg comes in handy |
| 20:10.43 | abchirk | LOL |
| 20:10.57 | ajavid | abchirk, ! |
| 20:11.02 | abchirk | ajavid ! |
| 20:11.05 | enouf | mordy_: no, /messages is not, since one can tail -f that and see it change |
| 20:11.05 | ajavid | whats up man |
| 20:11.13 | ajavid | music |
| 20:11.14 | BilokShem | any takers? |
| 20:11.34 | ajavid | BilokShem, go away. |
| 20:11.37 | enouf | mordy_: usually the buffer is set to 64K as default IIRC, it's a kernel config option though |
| 20:11.56 | PiousMinion | enouf: --> http://pastebin.com/m409ee89f |
| 20:11.57 | mordy_ | enouf: i think it calculates it based on available RAM actually |
| 20:11.58 | BilokShem | then will you come with me, ajavid? |
| 20:12.02 | abchirk | ajavid not much... :) are you abrotman? |
| 20:12.08 | ajavid | abchirk, stoned you nitwit |
| 20:12.09 | ajavid | :) |
| 20:12.11 | mordy_ | i know the buffer is larger on my system with 12GB than the one with 256MB |
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| 20:12.17 | abchirk | yeah yeah... the creepy stoned |
| 20:12.25 | ajavid | eh! |
| 20:12.27 | ajavid | !stoned |
| 20:12.28 | dpkg | sits in a corner rocking singing "jingle bells, jingle bells" quietly to himself with an evil grin on his face... as he touches himself ever so slightly... http://stoned.is.dreaming.org |
| 20:12.35 | ajavid | oh I need to get that domian again |
| 20:12.46 | enouf | no, mordy_ it's a kernel config option, using Debian kernels are already set |
| 20:12.56 | BilokShem | who wants to get pounded? |
| 20:13.02 | ajavid | anyway, enough support from me, I'm kinda pooped |
| 20:13.09 | mordy_ | oh.. my other system isn't using a debian kernnel |
| 20:13.11 | quentusrex | Anyone know of a good way to debug a usb 'sparkfun' board? |
| 20:13.17 | ajavid | !ops BilokShem is being heavily obnoxious and rude |
| 20:13.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ajavid complains about: BilokShem is being heavily obnoxious and rude |
| 20:13.19 | quentusrex | I'm trying to see if the thing will even boot up |
| 20:13.25 | BilokShem | ajavid, I'll pound your poop |
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| 20:13.34 | mordy_ | lol |
| 20:13.37 | ajavid | sparkfun board |
| 20:13.41 | ajavid | never heard of one |
| 20:13.50 | quentusrex | sparkfun.com |
| 20:13.57 | Gary | BilokShem: any chance of getting on topic? |
| 20:14.00 | PiousMinion | mordy_, ajavid: I guess you two could take a look if you have a moment. :) --> http://pastebin.com/m409ee89f |
| 20:14.00 | quentusrex | I have one of the 'usb weather' boards. |
| 20:14.14 | BilokShem | Yes |
| 20:14.16 | enouf | yeah, screw you enouf |
| 20:14.17 | BilokShem | sorry |
| 20:14.34 | mordy_ | lol |
| 20:14.36 | ajavid | hey |
| 20:14.38 | ajavid | sparkfun looks interesting |
| 20:14.58 | mordy_ | # |
| 20:14.59 | mordy_ | [ 0.084366] CPU: Hyper-Threading is disabled |
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| 20:15.13 | quentusrex | it's actually rather good, for beginner electronics. |
| 20:15.25 | ajavid | I used to mess with kits like that in jr. high |
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| 20:15.29 | enouf | pihhan: [ 0.084366] CPU: Hyper-Threading is disabled |
| 20:15.34 | ajavid | 7th/8th/9th/10th grades |
| 20:15.37 | enouf | er .. !win mordy_ |
| 20:15.38 | PiousMinion | Any idea how to change that? |
| 20:15.39 | mordy_ | lol |
| 20:15.44 | mordy_ | !win me |
| 20:15.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, mordy_! You have won the US presidency! |
| 20:15.47 | ajavid | 4 years in a row I took construction technology and sciene and technology |
| 20:15.48 | mordy_ | lol |
| 20:15.49 | enouf | PiousMinion: BIOS! |
| 20:15.51 | quentusrex | ok, I know the bus and device id of the usb device. |
| 20:16.03 | quentusrex | it is a serial to usb connection |
| 20:16.04 | ajavid | upstairs in science class we learn theory, downstaris in the lab we built things |
| 20:16.05 | PiousMinion | enouf: only option? |
| 20:16.13 | enouf | PiousMinion: afaik, yes |
| 20:16.20 | ajavid | mechanical robotnik arms, remote controlled destruction derby vehicles |
| 20:16.29 | PiousMinion | okies. :(. Will check for a bios update. |
| 20:16.31 | PiousMinion | thanks guys. :) |
| 20:16.37 | enouf | PiousMinion: maybe that CPU microcode shit? |
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| 20:16.46 | PiousMinion | greek to me |
| 20:16.49 | ajavid | fixing freon leaks on ac/fridge, building speaker boxes, doing plants hydroponically in class, measuring php balances with stuff |
| 20:16.53 | mordy_ | maybe it's intentionally disabled for some reason :/ |
| 20:16.55 | ajavid | oh man, I wish I could go back to jr. high |
| 20:16.55 | azeem | ajavid: please keep it on topic |
| 20:16.57 | enouf | PiousMinion: be sure the BIOS doesn't label it something other than HT |
| 20:17.05 | ajavid | oh yah, my bad i got carried away |
| 20:17.10 | ajavid | sorry guys |
| 20:17.15 | PiousMinion | I did. It didn't label it at all. |
| 20:17.15 | mordy_ | PiousMinion: it could be "MultiThreading", "SMT", etc. |
| 20:17.22 | enouf | PiousMinion: apt-cache search intel microcode |
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| 20:18.56 | enouf | then apt-cache show <pkgname>, however, i have no idea - but if not BIOS, that's the only other thing i can think of, other than specific kernel options being enabled, disabled ... there are many that might affect that |
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| 20:19.44 | mordy_ | PiousMinion: but in all honesty HT on pentium 4 sucks |
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| 20:19.48 | enouf | if [ 0.000000] Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-15) said -486, i'd say, grab the -686 |
| 20:19.52 | mordy_ | so it's best if you just leave it disabled :P |
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| 20:20.26 | mordy_ | and don't use 'quiet' on your kernel line; it's lame |
| 20:20.31 | enouf | PiousMinion: IIRC, there are issues with SMP and ACPI and IOAPIC stuffs on p4 with HT enabled - so |
| 20:20.38 | PiousMinion | mordy_: it should provide 'some' performance boost, if minimal |
| 20:20.39 | mordy_ | unless it's some really slow framebuffer |
| 20:20.43 | enouf | PiousMinion: in atleast some cases - check the BTS |
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| 20:20.58 | mordy_ | PiousMinion: it could hamper performance and it WILL make your processor run mcuh hotter |
| 20:20.59 | grn | I've changed the default viewer by swaping two entries in /etc/mailcap |
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| 20:21.38 | steffan | -- I've setup a lighttpd server, originally with WordPress in /www and that worked sweet. Now I've removed WordPress, /www remains with some public files. But when on my site I can't see the files, and it's 404 Not Found. I want anything in /www to be listed by lighttpd? |
| 20:22.17 | PiousMinion | I don't suppose there's a cmdline way of determining mobo model number. :P |
| 20:22.27 | enouf | PiousMinion: so, a) BTS, b) BIOS , c) microcode, d) Kernel Kconfig (or command line options) .. oh wait - i wonder if a certain Module's options in say /etc/modprobe.d/ is causing it to be disabled |
| 20:22.28 | mordy_ | there's a 'cpuid' program |
| 20:22.40 | mordy_ | enouf: it's not modprobe.d |
| 20:22.41 | enouf | PiousMinion: lshal | grep smbios |
| 20:22.48 | enouf | !what's my hardware |
| 20:22.49 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run as root or sudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>. |
| 20:22.58 | mordy_ | it's before the kernel even knows about any hardware; |
| 20:22.58 | enouf | mordy_: what? |
| 20:23.12 | mordy_ | enouf: that boot message comes directly from the CPU |
| 20:23.24 | enouf | mordy_: i think you're correct in this case ;-) |
| 20:23.40 | mordy_ | modprobe.d is only effective after the filesystem is mounted, which is eons later (in terms of cpu) |
| 20:23.46 | enouf | (just thinking out loud) .. but mordy_ the initrd loads modules as well |
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| 20:23.54 | enouf | no it isn't |
| 20:23.57 | mordy_ | enouf: but that's a diffeent modprobe.d |
| 20:24.03 | enouf | yes |
| 20:24.21 | PiousMinion | says my mobo supports Intel HT --> http://www.asus.com/Product.aspx?P_ID=njKjuPjn7vS5LEmI |
| 20:24.32 | PiousMinion | plain as day |
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| 20:24.40 | octoserver | does anyone have refresh problems in openoffice? I have experienced this problem through 4 updates of office. The menus do no refresh, they just disapear when i move the mouse over them. They reapear for a short time after resizing the window and disapear again witht he mouse hovering over them. |
| 20:24.55 | mordy_ | PiousMinion: apt-cache search cpuid and then get the number |
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| 20:25.14 | mordy_ | and then look at intel's site and see whether HT is enabled or disabled for some mysterious reason |
| 20:25.15 | enouf | [ 0.000000] SMP: Allowing 1 CPUs, 0 hotplug CPUs |
| 20:25.25 | enouf | is even earlier |
| 20:25.33 | PiousMinion | mordy_: which number am I looking for? |
| 20:25.58 | enouf | PiousMinion: it is possible, that certain OEMs have disabled the "feature" through vendor BIOS |
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| 20:26.31 | enouf | PiousMinion: since it's cheaper for them to use the same CPU and sell it as a "cheaper" model |
| 20:26.52 | enouf | PiousMinion: i've seen it with Sony and amd64 VT/SVM/Pacifica |
| 20:27.13 | PiousMinion | "if" that is the case, then flashing a new bios should correct, yes? |
| 20:27.27 | mordy_ | no because it will be the same crippleware |
| 20:27.28 | enouf | PiousMinion: check the Mobo / OEM site Changelogs |
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| 20:27.40 | enouf | as far as what a newer BIOS might change |
| 20:27.53 | enouf | mordy_: not true |
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| 20:28.01 | mordy_ | hmm.. i don't have the "SMP: Allowing..." line in my logs |
| 20:28.10 | PiousMinion | mordy_: but it's the ASUS site that says it supports HT amd that is where I'd be getting the flash. |
| 20:28.25 | enouf | mordy_: remember when s939 amd64s DualCores needed to be installed as single cores until a BIOS upgrade? |
| 20:28.26 | mordy_ | well if it's a retail asus board then it's not oem |
| 20:28.39 | Elenixa | ajavid, i am connecting to a Windows machine, but it is very slow. I tried xtightvncviewer -quality 3 |
| 20:28.42 | mordy_ | enouf: i'vve never used AMD :P |
| 20:28.43 | enouf | that's not true either |
| 20:28.46 | Elenixa | how can i try a faster approach ? |
| 20:28.53 | mordy_ | bleh |
| 20:28.58 | enouf | OEMs never use ASUS boards? |
| 20:29.00 | mordy_ | even _that's_ not true? |
| 20:29.22 | mordy_ | enouf: well they could use asus boards, but if he knows the board model etc. then he probably got it retail |
| 20:29.26 | mordy_ | let's ask him |
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| 20:29.36 | mordy_ | PiousMinion: _is_ this an OEM board? :P |
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| 20:29.43 | PiousMinion | The board was bought retail. |
| 20:29.45 | enouf | mordy_: there's already 5000 other questions he has to answer first! :-p |
| 20:29.47 | octoserver | Am I the only one that has broken office apps that dont refresh? |
| 20:29.58 | PiousMinion | just 5000. :P |
| 20:30.05 | mordy_ | lol |
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| 20:30.26 | enouf | blames the ACPI and it's various DSDT/RSDT tables |
| 20:30.48 | mordy_ | i didn't know ACPI was that buggy |
| 20:30.49 | Elenixa | how can i try a faster approach ? |
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| 20:31.05 | mordy_ | Elenixa: there's rdesktop if this is for windows |
| 20:31.10 | PiousMinion | gonna flash the bios and go from there. can't hurt. |
| 20:31.11 | mordy_ | much faster than vnc |
| 20:31.17 | enouf | PiousMinion: do you have LAPIC, IOAPIC options in BIOS? |
| 20:31.34 | enouf | Asus retail board should have a gazillion BIOS options |
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| 20:31.52 | PiousMinion | I think it's just apic or pic. could be wrong. |
| 20:31.57 | mordy_ | i doon't even thihnk my board lets me set IRQs etc. |
| 20:32.03 | mordy_ | and this is a super "high-end" board |
| 20:32.06 | Elenixa | mordy_ I'm connecting to a windows with VNC server |
| 20:32.23 | enouf | PiousMinion: it doesn't make sense to Flash, unless .. you the changelogs enable or fix something or add a missing feature |
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| 20:32.33 | mordy_ | Elenixa: you can probably use other options to reduce color depth, cache pixmaps etc. |
| 20:32.45 | enouf | PiousMinion: well, if choices are PIC/APIC, select APIC |
| 20:32.50 | Elenixa | mordy_, |
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| 20:33.12 | Elenixa | mordy_, I'm trying it :) xtightvncviewer -quality 0 -compresslevel 0 behaves the same |
| 20:33.18 | enouf | mordy_: setting IRQs are not needed at all - and haven't been for sometime, just ISA devices |
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| 20:34.09 | krisfremen | i'm using "update-alternatives --install /usr/local/bin/vim editor /usr/local/bin/vi 99" |
| 20:34.11 | krisfremen | is that correct? |
| 20:34.16 | ADREAL | hi there |
| 20:34.25 | ADREAL | how to install mozilla on debian? |
| 20:34.29 | mordy_ | Elenixa: are you sure "0" is right? in many context, "0" means "don't touch me" |
| 20:34.38 | ADREAL | and order?? pls |
| 20:34.49 | mordy_ | !pls |
| 20:34.50 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 20:34.50 | ADREAL | help me!!!!! |
| 20:34.51 | PiousMinion | reboots to flash bios |
| 20:35.02 | enouf | mordy_: notice; [ 0.000000] Using ACPI (MADT) for SMP configuration information |
| 20:35.16 | enouf | which occurs again, earlier than the 1st message we both posted |
| 20:35.32 | Elenixa | mordy_, -quality <JPEG-QUALITY-VALUE> (0..9: 0-low, 9-high) |
| 20:35.36 | mordy_ | what does "MADT" mean? if i had to guess, it would be "Memory Addressing Dynamic Table"? |
| 20:35.41 | mordy_ | hmm.. |
| 20:35.44 | Elenixa | mordy_, -compresslevel <COMPRESS-VALUE> (0..9: 0-fast, 9-best) |
| 20:35.53 | mordy_ | Elenixa: do you see the quality degrade though?? |
| 20:36.02 | mordy_ | also compression could be slow depending on your host |
| 20:36.14 | enouf | well, the T == Table, i bet :-P |
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| 20:36.17 | mordy_ | i mean vnc is choppy because with vnc you are essentially streaming video |
| 20:36.34 | enouf | Microcough ACPI Disability Table |
| 20:36.42 | krisfremen | Mean Accumulated Down Time? |
| 20:36.43 | mordy_ | Microcough? ROTFL |
| 20:37.34 | teraflops | Does microcough mean it's just a small hack? |
| 20:37.34 | mordy_ | Elenixa: and that's why it's best to use rdp for windows because it only maps mouse movements and has most of the windows widgets available locally |
| 20:38.25 | mordy_ | even though (ewww windows) |
| 20:38.44 | beardy | theswellseason: The gutenprint driver you installed, you need to compile that? |
| 20:38.46 | mordy_ | if you're doign simple administration stuff for windows you can use their "Services for Unix" and then ssh into it |
| 20:38.51 | mordy_ | or cygwin whatever |
| 20:39.03 | theswellseason | beardy, no, I have gutenprint installed |
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| 20:39.09 | mordy_ | i thihnk you can even telnet into a DOS shell, but who wants that |
| 20:39.10 | theswellseason | and/or compiled |
| 20:39.24 | beardy | theswellseason: So what wanted cups-config, and why? |
| 20:39.41 | beardy | theswellseason: It's in libcups2-dev anyway. |
| 20:39.47 | theswellseason | well, I was trying to configure the actual driver that I need |
| 20:40.03 | Elenixa | mordy_, ha, ok. So the Windows starts remote desktop, and I can use wich client, here ? |
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| 20:40.20 | jelly-home | Elenixa: rdesktop or any of the wrappers for it |
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| 20:40.44 | Elenixa | oh, rdesktop is a linux aplication ? oh, ok |
| 20:40.45 | PiousMinion | Already has latest bios. :'( |
| 20:40.55 | mordy_ | yes :D |
| 20:41.16 | PiousMinion | What were we saying about ACPI possibly messing this up? |
| 20:41.23 | mordy_ | Elenixa: and you can even use xrdp for linux so you can login to your linux desktop from windows without needing to use vnc |
| 20:41.25 | theswellseason | beardy, libcups2-dev worked |
| 20:41.49 | mordy_ | Elenixa: make sure that you don't select the "secure" option in windows' RDP because i don't think rdesktop has ntlm |
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| 20:42.05 | Elenixa | mordy_, nice !! thanks |
| 20:42.15 | mordy_ | of course this means that it won't be secure :P so don't do it over the intertubez |
| 20:42.48 | enouf | mordy_: teraflops et al; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_APIC_Description_Table |
| 20:43.00 | Elenixa | mordy, local lans only |
| 20:43.10 | mordy_ | hmm.. makes me wonder why it's so slow |
| 20:43.26 | mordy_ | i mean at 10MB/s VNC should be fairly decent |
| 20:43.54 | mordy_ | you'll still get a lag because it's not purely native |
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| 20:44.00 | PiousMinion | I've found all but "realvnc"(which uses a higher protocol version) to be pretty slow. |
| 20:44.03 | Hexxeh | Hey |
| 20:44.18 | mordy_ | and don't try to play video or anything like that over VNC (or remote desktop for that matter) |
| 20:44.58 | Hexxeh | I'm trying to install Debian on my PS3, and I'm trying to load the kernel from a USB drive, but it's not working. Says that mounting sdc1 failed, yet I've checked and this is the device name I need. |
| 20:45.02 | Elenixa | mordy_, :) no video :) |
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| 20:46.48 | jpinx | Elenixa: I am using rdesktop to a XP box, and ssh -X to another debian box - both on the lan with no problems |
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| 20:47.36 | enouf | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=MADT+Hyperthreading+ht+CPU%3A+Hyper-Threading+is+disabled&btnG=Google+Search |
| 20:48.39 | Elenixa | jpinx, are you using 32bits of color ? |
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| 20:49.34 | Elenixa | wooow, I set the background to white and it now flies |
| 20:49.35 | paldo | afternoon everyone |
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| 20:50.30 | PiousMinion | This is driving me nuts. The mobo supports it, has the latest bios, the cpu supports it, has the latest microcode, but I still see one cpu. :( |
| 20:51.03 | mordy_ | does the bios say anything about HT? |
| 20:51.21 | mordy_ | or can you try with another kernel/live cd to see if it works then? |
| 20:51.55 | jpinx | Elenixa: rdesktop will automatically choose the colours it can cope with according to your connection |
| 20:52.25 | PiousMinion | mordy_: the bios doesn't mention anything about it. What live distro do you suggest that supports HT? |
| 20:52.30 | Elenixa | jpinx, nice, will use it next time |
| 20:52.52 | mordy_ | PiousMinion: i'm guessing any normal kernel should support HT; hence i dont' think it will help, but you can try |
| 20:52.59 | mordy_ | it's not a distro issue, but a kernel one |
| 20:53.06 | jpinx | Elenixa: I also use rdesktop for long-distance assist - half-way round the world |
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| 20:53.16 | jpinx | Elenixa: it's slower, but works |
| 20:53.23 | mordy_ | i mean distros use different kernels, but i do not think that any of them would change something in that regard |
| 20:53.55 | paldo | Is the install package really on 5 dvds? |
| 20:54.14 | mordy_ | no, the entire debian repository is on 5 dvds |
| 20:54.14 | PiousMinion | mordy_: So you're thinking a custom kernel compile might help things? |
| 20:54.23 | mordy_ | PiousMinion: probably not |
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| 20:54.34 | paldo | ahh, ty for the clarification, mordy_ |
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| 20:54.45 | PiousMinion | mordy_: Do you have any idea what will? |
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| 20:54.52 | mordy_ | you can also try to boot without ACPI or did you do that already |
| 20:55.28 | teraflops | PiousMinion, By any chance is your machine a Dell? A friend of mine has a dell where the latest version of the BIOS disabled hyperthreading (to sell more Dells) but an earlier BIOS provided a menu option to switch on HT. |
| 20:55.41 | mordy_ | ewww |
| 20:55.48 | paldo | Do I only need to download the first dvd then, to install debian? and is there a live media version so I can check it? I really like knoppix, but it is only live, and has no installer |
| 20:55.57 | PiousMinion | teraflops: It's a retail asus board. |
| 20:56.03 | enouf | PiousMinion: it's a bios issue, as my best guess |
| 20:56.26 | PiousMinion | enouf: would you suggest a bios downgrade? |
| 20:56.36 | enouf | PiousMinion: you might get away with a Customized DSDT |
| 20:56.44 | PiousMinion | DSDT? |
| 20:56.49 | enouf | or the microcode crap might do something .. who knows |
| 20:57.01 | PiousMinion | microcode installed, no effect. |
| 20:57.04 | enouf | Differential ... bleh |
| 20:57.17 | mordy_ | can microcode bork something? or not really |
| 20:57.21 | enouf | Differential ___ Description Table |
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| 20:57.47 | beardy | theswellseason: So.. it's working? |
| 20:58.16 | mordy_ | PiousMinion: sure you searched the bios well? |
| 20:58.27 | PiousMinion | What direction would I take to get a "Custom DSDT" ? |
| 20:58.32 | mordy_ | it may be somewhere; i know my bios hides some options unless i press the "End" key |
| 20:58.32 | nemstep | have a pity with my silly question -- if I have an account on a server [running Debian] and have a '@reboot /foo/bar/bip' added with crontab(1), the command [bip IRC proxy] will be run and 'waiting for me' after any random reboot, meaning it'll be there when I log into my account? |
| 20:58.36 | PiousMinion | mordy_: positive |
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| 20:59.02 | mordy_ | look in the manual perhaps and see where it's supposed to be |
| 20:59.08 | PiousMinion | yeah, have to scroll down to see some things. |
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| 20:59.27 | mordy_ | my bios has about 200 CPU-related settings |
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| 20:59.53 | PiousMinion | wow |
| 20:59.59 | enouf | CONFIG_ACPI_CUSTOM_DSDT |
| 21:00.06 | mordy_ | by me hyperthreading is 'multi threading' |
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| 21:00.25 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/Documentation/acpi/dsdt-override.txt |
| 21:00.51 | simonrvn | mordy_: different |
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| 21:01.12 | PingFloyd | enouf: did you ever take lxde for a spin? |
| 21:01.18 | mordy_ | what do you mean different? it _is_ hyperthreading |
| 21:01.19 | enouf | but .. hold off on that .. since mismatching a DSDT can be bad .. i think real bad in worse-case scenrios |
| 21:01.31 | enouf | PingFloyd: not yet ... you? |
| 21:01.36 | PingFloyd | enouf: yeah |
| 21:01.44 | enouf | PingFloyd: likin it? |
| 21:01.48 | PingFloyd | enouf: that's what I've been running the last couple months in place of icewm |
| 21:01.53 | mordy_ | i'm using lxde on on of my screens too |
| 21:01.55 | PingFloyd | enouf: yeah, I think it is pretty good for a DE |
| 21:01.55 | enouf | ahh |
| 21:01.57 | theswellseason | beardy, no |
| 21:02.04 | mordy_ | i'km using lxde AND icewm simultaneously |
| 21:02.13 | PingFloyd | enouf: you know me, I'm not usually big on DEs |
| 21:02.15 | mordy_ | icewm would be perfect but its widgets are rather outdated |
| 21:02.21 | PingFloyd | mordy_: agreed |
| 21:02.27 | theswellseason | it's telling me "The version of Gutenprint installed (5.2.3) does not match the PPD file (5.0.2) |
| 21:02.39 | PingFloyd | mordy_: yeah, icewm is a great wm imo too |
| 21:02.41 | mordy_ | i'm getting a fourth monitor and need to decide what DE to place on that |
| 21:02.48 | PingFloyd | mordy_: and you're right about it looking dated though |
| 21:03.08 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: what kind of toolkit does it use though? |
| 21:03.09 | PingFloyd | mordy_: I'm liking openbox too |
| 21:03.16 | PingFloyd | mordy_: I don't usually like the box wms |
| 21:03.33 | PingFloyd | mordy_: I think it uses gtk+ but I could be wrong |
| 21:03.44 | PingFloyd | mordy_: maybe 1.2 |
| 21:03.46 | mordy_ | icewm? no |
| 21:03.52 | mordy_ | neither does openbox |
| 21:03.52 | beardy | theswellseason: Where did you get this PPD file? |
| 21:03.59 | mordy_ | let me see in aptitude |
| 21:04.05 | theswellseason | beardy, gutenprint |
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| 21:05.19 | mordy_ | Depends: icewm-common (= 1.2.35-1), imlib11, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libesd0 (>= 0.2.35) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.35), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-21), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libsm6, libx11-6, libxext6, libxft2 (> 2.1.1), libxinerama1, libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.2.0) |
| 21:05.24 | enouf | PiousMinion: the debian-kernel channel on oftc.net might have a quick and dirty and correct answer for you - and you might need to wait a long time for a response, but your dmesg + cpuinfo pastebin should be enough |
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| 21:05.46 | mordy_ | why libxinerama? |
| 21:05.51 | PiousMinion | enouf: thanks. I will certainly try that. |
| 21:05.57 | mordy_ | and why libxrandr? |
| 21:06.13 | enouf | PingFloyd: i might mess around with http://www.uzbl.org/ for a bit too ;-) |
| 21:06.59 | mordy_ | lol here's my desktop :P |
| 21:07.02 | mordy_ | http://imagebin.ca/view/Un87v0.html |
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| 21:07.19 | mordy_ | the one with the fullscreen terminal is using openbox (without lxde) |
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| 21:10.32 | mordy_ | hmm i'm actually wondering how to work out this depends thing though |
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| 21:11.26 | beardy | theswellseason: The Debian package? Quite weird if they are for a version other than the one.. they are in. |
| 21:11.48 | enouf | PiousMinion: please tell me you're not booted in a Xen or any other VM or something |
| 21:12.10 | mordy_ | is booted into xen |
| 21:12.38 | enouf | PiousMinion: please tell me that it's not a Laptop |
| 21:12.39 | theswellseason | beardy, no I compiled from source |
| 21:12.59 | mordy_ | had a laptop with HT |
| 21:13.08 | PiousMinion | enouf: this is not virtualized and is not a laptop. |
| 21:13.18 | enouf | smacks down all of mordy_ 's responses |
| 21:13.22 | mordy_ | lol |
| 21:13.23 | beardy | theswellseason: What exactly did you compile? The PPD or the whole gutenprint? |
| 21:13.25 | enouf | PiousMinion: ok - great |
| 21:13.34 | theswellseason | all of gutenprint |
| 21:13.40 | beardy | theswellseason: Why? |
| 21:13.50 | theswellseason | erm, because that's what I was supposed to do? |
| 21:13.59 | beardy | theswellseason: And which source? |
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| 21:14.47 | mordy_ | enouf: now i need to revive that HT laptop and run xen on it just to piss you off |
| 21:15.00 | beardy | theswellseason: Who/what said you had to compile it? |
| 21:15.04 | mordy_ | well, i'm running a desktop with HT on xen, is that enough? |
| 21:15.08 | enouf | mordy_: that's fine, just don't ask for support :-P |
| 21:15.13 | enouf | atleast not from me |
| 21:15.18 | mordy_ | oooh |
| 21:15.22 | theswellseason | Gutenprint's documentation said to compile it the way you would any other program |
| 21:15.30 | xNinja | hello...i heard there is a debian version for pda ? |
| 21:15.34 | PingFloyd | I was reading through some backup tutorials the other day looking for some ideas. I noticed none of them recommend remounting the source filesystem(s) as read-only first. I thought that was weird. |
| 21:15.51 | enouf | PingFloyd: why? |
| 21:15.54 | theswellseason | beardy, I compiled the source for 5.3.2 |
| 21:16.00 | PingFloyd | seems to me, that it is a great possibility to end up with an inconsistent backup |
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| 21:16.18 | PingFloyd | enouf: say something is writing to filesystem while it is being backed up |
| 21:16.21 | enouf | PingFloyd: i think it's a great idea - and the only one that one might have issue with would be / FS ... |
| 21:16.33 | enouf | PingFloyd: then it's going to cause problems |
| 21:16.37 | PingFloyd | enouf: that file backup could be inconsistent |
| 21:16.55 | mordy_ | although only /home and /var are regularly written to |
| 21:17.06 | PingFloyd | mordy_: generally |
| 21:17.07 | mordy_ | and even /home is just a matter of use not a matter of necessity |
| 21:17.07 | enouf | it will be - or worse , blow the whole backup, crash or hang the system, or corrupt the FS |
| 21:17.33 | beardy | theswellseason: Debian is a binary distribution and you generally don't compile any program.. you installed the package, and then compiled another with the latest source? |
| 21:17.46 | PingFloyd | mordy_: but there are tons of possibilities |
| 21:17.55 | ajavid | !dbugs #523330 |
| 21:17.58 | dpkg | #523330:G[sun-java6-bin] [sun-java6-bin] sun-java6-bin doesn't work (); Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:09:02 UTC [] |
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| 21:18.11 | theswellseason | beardy, there wasn't a package for it |
| 21:18.15 | ajavid | alright, I just downloaded this package from sid, and it works |
| 21:18.18 | ajavid | ... |
| 21:18.23 | ajavid | so whats up with the bug |
| 21:18.38 | enouf | then you start getting into NFS / Samba / NAS / iSCSI storage systems and huge DBs and shit etc |
| 21:18.49 | beardy | theswellseason: I gave you the package name.. you said you had installed it. Exactly what was not packaged then? |
| 21:19.00 | PingFloyd | enouf: yeah, especially when running a database it becomes important |
| 21:19.19 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: apparently it's enough of an issue that lvm has a feature to circumvent it |
| 21:19.25 | PingFloyd | enouf: though, if I were running a database and didn't want to take the system offline, I'd probably be running lvm at that point so I could do snapshots |
| 21:19.35 | theswellseason | beardy, I tried to find a package for gutenprint, I couldn't. This was before I asked for help. Then I installed the package you gave me |
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| 21:19.54 | PingFloyd | enouf: even then though, you'd need to take the database offline for a few seconds while the snapshot is done to be safe |
| 21:20.12 | enouf | PingFloyd: right .. or some sort of backing up util that would temp put locks on it or something - whatever |
| 21:20.14 | PingFloyd | mordy_: even with lvm, you have to take certain precautions |
| 21:20.22 | SQlvpapir | inckie :'( |
| 21:20.23 | mordy_ | enouf: are you sure? i thought it was transparent |
| 21:20.29 | beardy | theswellseason: There's gutenprint packages, I'm sure all you would need. Packaged, in version 5.0.2 apparently. But I'm sure those would work. Use them instead. |
| 21:20.37 | enouf | mordy_: no |
| 21:20.37 | PingFloyd | mordy_: he's right about that |
| 21:20.55 | PingFloyd | mordy_: lvm won't save from having an inconsistant database |
| 21:21.01 | theswellseason | beardy, so how do I uninstall the current version that I installed from source? |
| 21:21.17 | beardy | theswellseason: 'apt-cache search gutenprint' Or run aptitude, hit /, search. /msg dpkg search |
| 21:21.40 | beardy | theswellseason: The documentation hopefully says. |
| 21:21.58 | beardy | theswellseason: I hoep you atleast installed in /usr/local? |
| 21:22.30 | PingFloyd | it is funny how so few docs/tutorials talk about these things with something as precious and important to get right as backups |
| 21:22.47 | theswellseason | beardy, No, I don't believe I did |
| 21:23.36 | PingFloyd | I think of backups as the very last thing you want to screw up on |
| 21:23.58 | beardy | theswellseason: Ok.. well, firstly, don't compile things. Almost everything you ever need is packaged. |
| 21:24.14 | mordy_ | i'm still trying to figure out what kind of pinning scheme i should use |
| 21:24.44 | enouf | pins mordy_ to using backports |
| 21:24.50 | beardy | theswellseason: And if you are compiling, do it in /usr/local.. no 'make uninstall' or simillar? If not, then I guess you have to remove each file it installed manually.. |
| 21:25.01 | mordy_ | enouf: there aren't backports for a lot of stuff |
| 21:25.14 | enouf | pins mordy_ to using his own backports |
| 21:25.24 | theswellseason | beardy, okay |
| 21:25.58 | enouf | !wayttd mordy_ |
| 21:25.59 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, mordy_? |
| 21:26.02 | mordy_ | lol |
| 21:26.22 | mordy_ | i want to add sid and testing to my repository |
| 21:26.29 | enouf | for what? |
| 21:26.32 | beardy | No you don't. |
| 21:26.33 | enouf | which? |
| 21:27.11 | mordy_ | meh in this case it's for xen-tools-unstable, but i've found myself using quite a few package sfrom sid lately |
| 21:27.12 | enouf | got away with the preemptive 'which exact software' question |
| 21:27.39 | mordy_ | like nouveau, the .29 kernel etc. |
| 21:27.52 | mordy_ | with those i just downloaded them manually from packages.debian.org |
| 21:27.53 | enouf | if it's a desktop , just upgrade to testing and deal with the breakage |
| 21:28.30 | PingFloyd | mordy_: are you just trying to mix releases? |
| 21:28.36 | mordy_ | enouf: nah i want lenny, but i just want a more convenient way to install packages from sid |
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| 21:28.49 | enouf | mordy_: you want a broken lenny |
| 21:28.53 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: i'm trying to mix releases but i also want to control at what level of the system things are mixed |
| 21:29.05 | PingFloyd | mordy_: yeah, pinning is one way, but another way is you can usually be fine just setting default release |
| 21:29.25 | enouf | mordy_: you could help others via generating reusable backports if possible |
| 21:29.28 | beardy | !pinning |
| 21:29.28 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 21:29.41 | beardy | might be useful then. But you are on your own, know what you do. |
| 21:29.42 | PingFloyd | mordy_: if you set default release it will automatically set the proper priorities for most uses |
| 21:30.03 | mordy_ | enouf: doesn't a backport mean it's essentially stable, but didn't make it in time for the stable release? |
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| 21:30.12 | enouf | no |
| 21:30.16 | PingFloyd | mordy_: but you really want to be careful about mixing stable, it has even more room for breakage especially as stable has been out for a longer time |
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| 21:30.22 | enouf | no to b) |
| 21:30.36 | PingFloyd | mordy_: since stable gets more out of sync with testing and unstable as time goes on |
| 21:30.38 | beardy | mordy_: No, a backport is a package compiled against the things in stable, but from a newer source. |
| 21:30.41 | shiloh16 | can anyone tell me the command to kill xorg? |
| 21:31.00 | mordy_ | ahh i see |
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| 21:31.02 | shiloh16 | to restart in terminal only |
| 21:31.02 | beardy | !shut down x |
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| 21:31.12 | enouf | i mean .. i guess you could look at it that way too .. but ... then one could say all software didn't come before it's time |
| 21:31.21 | beardy | shiloh16: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 21:31.23 | PingFloyd | mordy_: think of backport as a newer packaged compiled in a stable environment (libs etc). |
| 21:31.39 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: yeah, but so far the packages i needed to use were standalone anyway |
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| 21:31.52 | mordy_ | so i didn't find myself needing to compile something... or maybe... hmm... i forgot |
| 21:31.58 | PingFloyd | mordy_: as in from upstream source? |
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| 21:32.09 | enouf | mordy_: sometimes; backports of things will require you to backport thje pkg Depends prior even |
| 21:32.33 | PingFloyd | mordy_: I have a link for you |
| 21:32.47 | enouf | sometimes it will require a newer libc6 no matter what you do - in which case, you're upgrading releases |
| 21:32.49 | beardy | Looks like he succeded. |
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| 21:33.07 | maddash | who's idiotic idea was it to phase out xmms? |
| 21:33.13 | PingFloyd | mordy_: going to be a minute though |
| 21:33.13 | mordy_ | enouf: yeah, i'm aware abouut that; i've never had that situation |
| 21:33.57 | mordy_ | but for example xen-tools is a bunch of python scripts and doesn't have the issue of dependencies (as i'm aware of) |
| 21:34.08 | midkniht | all your debian is mine |
| 21:34.11 | mordy_ | lol |
| 21:34.15 | mordy_ | is belong to you? |
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| 21:35.31 | Lord | when i want to remove mysql aptitude tells me that it will remove apache, openoffice ... |
| 21:35.43 | Lord | is there a way to just remove mysql |
| 21:35.44 | Lord | ? |
| 21:36.03 | mordy_ | Lord: is apache manually or automatically installed? |
| 21:36.09 | mordy_ | is there an A next to apache? |
| 21:36.48 | midkniht | is belongs to me |
| 21:36.51 | midkniht | thanks Mordbrann_p |
| 21:36.52 | Lord | it's apache2/apache2-mpm-prefork/apache2-utils ... |
| 21:36.54 | midkniht | err |
| 21:36.59 | mordy_ | maybe aptitude unmarkauto 'apache?' |
| 21:36.59 | midkniht | mordy_, |
| 21:37.11 | Lord | i don't remember if i compiled it or not ... |
| 21:37.30 | midkniht | Lord, apt-get remove --purge mysql |
| 21:37.42 | PingFloyd | mordy_: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=15612 |
| 21:38.09 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: hmm.. let me read that |
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| 21:38.38 | Lord | midkniht > it tells that : http://pastebin.com/m137a9867 |
| 21:38.41 | PingFloyd | mordy_: gives some pointers, it is only one of many ways to do it though |
| 21:38.56 | PingFloyd | mordy_: but it's about lowest hassle way |
| 21:39.15 | midkniht | Lord, apt-get remove --purge mysql --ignore-deps |
| 21:39.28 | mordy_ | yeah, i don't care about hassle here necessarily for initial set up, since i'll only be doing this once |
| 21:39.49 | Lord | ignore-deps is not understood |
| 21:39.58 | PingFloyd | Lord: mark the packages you don't want removed as manually installed |
| 21:40.19 | Lord | i don't know how to do this PingFloyd |
| 21:40.19 | PingFloyd | Lord: they were probably brought in as automatic dependencies when you install mysql or some other pkg |
| 21:40.27 | mordy_ | yeah what i thought :P |
| 21:40.32 | mordy_ | aptitude unmarkauto |
| 21:40.41 | PingFloyd | or you can do it through the ui |
| 21:40.53 | midkniht | Lord, apt-get remove --purge --ignore-depends=mysql |
| 21:40.56 | mordy_ | if it's a bunch opf packages you can do it thorugh the us |
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| 21:40.58 | mordy_ | ui |
| 21:41.07 | PingFloyd | highlight them in the get download window and press m and/or M to toggle their auto flag |
| 21:41.13 | mordy_ | midkniht: it's not a depends issue, it's a 'no longer needed' issue |
| 21:41.38 | midkniht | well just force it then |
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| 21:41.46 | midkniht | Lord, apt-get remove --purge mysql --force |
| 21:41.54 | beardy | Nonono.. |
| 21:41.56 | PingFloyd | no |
| 21:42.01 | mordy_ | Lord: aptitude will remove packages if those packages were automatically installed as dependencies for a package which oyu manually installed |
| 21:42.03 | beardy | Don't tell people to randomly force. |
| 21:42.05 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 21:42.06 | dpkg | [aptitude] now the recommended tool for managing packages on your Debian system. You can use it as a CLI replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in Lenny, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>. |
| 21:42.15 | midkniht | i didnt tell him to randomly force |
| 21:42.23 | midkniht | he said it wasnt needed |
| 21:42.23 | beardy | Recommended, hardly recommended, sicne Etch, learn to use it dammit. |
| 21:42.23 | PingFloyd | all he needs to do is mark what he wants as manual and then let aptitude do the resolution |
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| 21:42.26 | PingFloyd | it's that easy |
| 21:42.54 | nick_h[l1tage] | my root partition filled up. after clearing some space, i've noticed that nothing's being logged to /var/log/syslog , even after restarting syslog-ng. why might that be? |
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| 21:43.20 | beardy | s/hardly/strongly/ |
| 21:43.29 | enouf | "after clearing some space" ? |
| 21:43.29 | mordy_ | hmm... |
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| 21:43.44 | PingFloyd | if, with aptitude you just merely mark manual what you explicitly want installed, aptitude will do the rest |
| 21:43.49 | nick_h[l1tage] | enouf: 500MB |
| 21:44.01 | mordy_ | nick_h[l1tage]: i don't know if syslog runs as root, does it? |
| 21:44.07 | enouf | you rm'd your entire /var ? |
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| 21:44.23 | Lord | so what do i do ? |
| 21:44.26 | nick_h[l1tage] | mordy_: syslog-ng runs as root |
| 21:44.33 | mordy_ | hmm... :( |
| 21:44.38 | midkniht | aptitude clean unmarkauto purge mysql |
| 21:44.42 | mordy_ | how much is free anyway? |
| 21:44.44 | PingFloyd | Lord: mark whatever you explicitly want to have installed as manual |
| 21:44.50 | mordy_ | midkniht: no... |
| 21:44.53 | nick_h[l1tage] | enouf: um, no. i deleted some unneeded files |
| 21:45.14 | nick_h[l1tage] | enouf, mordy_: i have 507MB free |
| 21:45.38 | PingFloyd | Lord: then remove mysql and it will also get rid of the dependencies that are being kept around by mysql and nothing else you want to keep |
| 21:46.16 | mordy_ | hmm.. if it's running as root it shouldn't be an issue |
| 21:47.06 | mordy_ | but non-root users can only fill up like 95% or so of the filesystem |
| 21:47.06 | enouf | doesn't Lenny default to rsyslog? |
| 21:47.07 | enouf | !rsyslog |
| 21:47.07 | dpkg | rsyslog is, like, an enhanced <syslog> daemon. With stock logging rules, it can be used as a drop-in sysklogd replacement. rsyslog is the default kernel/system log daemon in Lenny, but is not installed when upgrading from Etch (ref. section 2.2 of the <lenny release notes>). http://www.rsyslog.com/ |
| 21:47.07 | mordy_ | yeah i havve rsyslog |
| 21:47.07 | maddash | !syslog-ng |
| 21:47.18 | enouf | judd: info syslog-ng |
| 21:47.18 | judd | enouf: syslog-ng (admin): is extra; Version: 2.0.9-4.1; Size: 126.8k; Installed: 424k -- Next generation logging daemon |
| 21:47.50 | maddash | it's also uses more memory, slower |
| 21:48.06 | Ace2017_- | how can i extract files matching oxy* from an archive? i tried tar -xvjf file.tar.bz2 oxy* but it didn't work |
| 21:48.07 | mordy_ | syslog-ng is slower? or rsyslog? |
| 21:48.15 | enouf | both! |
| 21:48.19 | enouf | !42 |
| 21:48.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
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| 21:50.04 | nick_h[l1tage] | regardless of whether i use rsyslog or syslog-ng, now that i have 500MB of free space on / , why might nothing be written to /var/log/syslog |
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| 21:52.34 | smacnay | Is there a sound theme available for the Gnome desktop - I see nothing in the sid repos. |
| 21:53.03 | nick_h[l1tage] | alright, "sudo lsof /var/log/syslog" outputs nothing. shouldn't it say that syslog-ng has it open? |
| 21:53.05 | mordy_ | Ace2017_-: tar xf --wildcards *pattern* < tarfile |
| 21:53.19 | quentusrex | anyone know how to fix this: cc1plus: warnings being treated as errors |
| 21:53.19 | quentusrex | Avr.C:127: error: deprecated conversion from string constant to âchar*â The line of code is: const char* |
| 21:54.06 | \amethyst | quentusrex: is that supposed to be C code or C++? |
| 21:54.28 | xyan | quentusrex: static const |
| 21:54.36 | quentusrex | I think C code. |
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| 21:54.58 | \amethyst | quentusrex: then either rename it to .c or compile with -x c |
| 21:55.13 | \amethyst | quentusrex: .C is interpreted as C++ by gcc |
| 21:55.54 | Ace2017_- | mordy_: i get tar: --wildcards: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 21:56.08 | mordy_ | hmm... |
| 21:56.22 | quentusrex | how can I mv all files with *.C to *.c ? |
| 21:56.27 | mordy_ | Ace2017_-: maybe try -xf |
| 21:56.40 | Ace2017_- | mordy_: i tried both |
| 21:56.46 | mordy_ | works for me :| |
| 21:56.47 | \amethyst | for x in *.C; do echo mv "$x" "${x%.C}.c"; done |
| 21:57.04 | \amethyst | quentusrex: ^^ if you are satisfied with what it prints, remove the "echo" and run again |
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| 21:57.16 | stuckey | Does anyone here know how to keep the damn screen from blanking out when watching a movie in mplayer??? |
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| 21:57.31 | Ace2017_- | mordy_: this worked: tar -xvjf oxygencolors\(V\ 1.2\).tar.bz2 --wildcards *oxyacquamarine* |
| 21:57.43 | mordy_ | Ace2017_-: but the < didn't? |
| 21:57.52 | mordy_ | i thoguth you wanted oxycontin :| |
| 21:57.52 | enouf | stuckey: there's some -screensaver option thingy - man mplayer |
| 21:58.07 | Ace2017_- | oxycotin? |
| 21:58.10 | \amethyst | stuckey: gmplayer or another frontend should do it; otherwise gnome-screensaver-command --inhibit |
| 21:58.18 | mordy_ | or whatever they call it :P |
| 21:58.39 | mordy_ | in common parlance oxy* expands to that :P |
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| 21:58.53 | Ace2017_- | mordy_: i wanted to extract all files with oxyacquamarine in its name from a tar.bz2 file |
| 21:59.00 | stuckey | \amethyst: ** Message: Failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. |
| 21:59.05 | bjk | or install unclutter |
| 21:59.17 | stuckey | \amethyst: can I just remove the screensave package? |
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| 21:59.18 | PingFloyd | Ace2017_-: then some of those didn't start with oxy* |
| 21:59.22 | \amethyst | stuckey: oh, are you using xscreensaver instead of gnome-screensaver? |
| 21:59.31 | stuckey | \amethyst: default lenny |
| 21:59.37 | PingFloyd | Ace2017_-: you wanted *oxy*, there's a big difference |
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| 21:59.57 | \amethyst | stuckey: I'm not sure what to make of that error then |
| 22:00.06 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: if it's a directory it will extract everything in the directory |
| 22:00.11 | Ace2017_- | PingFloyd: thought that, but it also didn't work |
| 22:00.18 | mordy_ | so *oxy* will extract everything that has *oxy* in its path |
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| 22:00.56 | stuckey | \amethyst: so what do I do? |
| 22:00.59 | enouf | judd: info policykit |
| 22:01.00 | judd | enouf: policykit (admin): is optional; Version: 0.9-2; Size: 127.2k; Installed: 420k -- framework for managing administrative policies and privileges |
| 22:01.03 | Ace2017_- | couldn't i use *\\oxy* for everything starting with oxy? so that foxy wouldn't be coppied? |
| 22:01.07 | wolfsohn | hi guys |
| 22:01.22 | mordy_ | Ace2017_-: or just oxy* ?:P |
| 22:01.36 | Ace2017_- | nope, that wouldn't work |
| 22:01.46 | Lord | i still have my problem with mysql ... |
| 22:01.46 | PingFloyd | Ace2017_-: what does the full path in archive look of one of the ones you want? |
| 22:01.53 | PingFloyd | Ace2017_-: when you do a tar -tf |
| 22:01.56 | mordy_ | i don't see what \\oxy does; it appears to be "\oxy" |
| 22:02.01 | Ace2017_- | oxygencolors(V 1.2)/16x16/places/oxyacquamarine-folder-linux.png |
| 22:02.02 | \amethyst | perhaps */oxy* ? |
| 22:02.05 | Lord | if i remove apache2 and all his friends ... will it loose the configuration ? |
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| 22:02.29 | Lord | i can remove it with mysql then reinstall it alone without loosing my configs ? |
| 22:02.38 | mordy_ | or maybe \/oxy* |
| 22:02.50 | PingFloyd | I think having the other characters is throwing it off |
| 22:02.51 | Ace2017_- | oh thats what i meant |
| 22:02.59 | PingFloyd | like having the brackets |
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| 22:03.05 | PingFloyd | maybe they're expanding |
| 22:03.10 | Ace2017_- | ah |
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| 22:03.13 | mordy_ | :| lol |
| 22:03.15 | \amethyst | mordy_: that would only match if /oxyfoobar were in the archive (with an absolute path and everything) |
| 22:03.21 | \amethyst | yeah, you need to quote it |
| 22:03.31 | PingFloyd | maybe try "oxy*" |
| 22:03.40 | Ace2017_- | ok its done now |
| 22:03.50 | PingFloyd | maybe the quotes will help |
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| 22:06.02 | mordy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.02 | mordy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.07 | mordy_ | could that help? |
| 22:06.58 | mordy_ | has wild oxen play cards and drive through tar |
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| 22:09.27 | mordy_ | hmm.. i'm reading the thread you linked to earlier; it just shows more people having the same problem i'm having :P |
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| 22:12.19 | shiloh16 | !nvidia |
| 22:12.19 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 22:14.46 | shiloh16 | can anyone point me to a help file to install the livna nvidia drivers? |
| 22:14.56 | mordy_ | livna? |
| 22:15.12 | shiloh16 | the factory nvidia drivers |
| 22:15.24 | shiloh16 | i need open gl, max fps etc |
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| 22:15.56 | mordy_ | shiloh16: you can try to install nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` |
| 22:16.07 | mordy_ | if you do the latter you need to use module-assistant to install it |
| 22:16.07 | maligor | isn't livna a fedora thing? |
| 22:16.27 | shiloh16 | might be im new to debian |
| 22:16.39 | mordy_ | well yolu don't _need_ to use it, but it's recommended and i don't know if they would support you here if youo didn't |
| 22:16.52 | mordy_ | shiloh16: so aptitude install nvidia-glx is probably what you want |
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| 22:17.05 | shiloh16 | cool |
| 22:17.08 | shiloh16 | ill try it |
| 22:17.35 | mordy_ | shiloh16: i thihnky you also might need to install nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` |
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| 22:18.00 | mordy_ | unless you're running a xen kernel, which is a different story |
| 22:18.22 | mordy_ | or you could install module-assistant and then nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 22:20.57 | shiloh16 | whew |
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| 22:21.20 | shiloh16 | i might have to go to something less learning curve demanding |
| 22:21.21 | glicks | scuse me, does anyone know of a secure disk wiper? I am looking for something that can wipe only the freespace of my disk on my ext3 fs |
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| 22:21.50 | henhir | How to set the vncserver password? |
| 22:22.00 | streuner | hands glicks a sledgehammer |
| 22:22.31 | micket | henhir: it'll ask you the first time, otherwise remove the password file in ~./vnc |
| 22:22.31 | mordy_ | shiloh16: you shoudl be fine with nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` |
| 22:22.36 | mordy_ | :) |
| 22:22.43 | henhir | Thank you |
| 22:23.33 | mordy_ | shiloh16: you can try the driver from nvidia.com but it's not supported here so people won't help you, but there's #nvidia and #linux if you have problems with that |
| 22:23.36 | streuner | glicks: just copy data over the existing, should be enough. |
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| 22:25.03 | shiloh16 | ty mordy_ |
| 22:25.11 | mordy_ | shilo or you can type this string of commands: aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-xsettings nvidia-xconfig nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` && yes | nvidia-xconfig |
| 22:25.17 | mordy_ | oh he left |
| 22:25.31 | glicks | streuner, actuall you have to write over them several times with todays multilayered high density disks |
| 22:25.46 | streuner | bullshit |
| 22:26.23 | streuner | and who cares about YOUR data, if you are not that important... |
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| 22:26.46 | mordy_ | glicks: there's 'shred' |
| 22:26.58 | mordy_ | but that''s only for files which arenn't deleted yes |
| 22:27.00 | mordy_ | yet |
| 22:28.14 | PingFloyd | there's also wipe, but same thing with that |
| 22:29.17 | teraflops | If I were feeling extremely paranoid about deleted files, I would determine exactly how much free space I have in kilobytes and use a command like dd if=/dev/random of="random.txt" bs=1024 count=<number of free kb> |
| 22:29.31 | teraflops | and then delete random.txt and do it all over again |
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| 22:30.00 | mordy_ | and of course you can do something like function erase() { if -e bigfile; then rm bigfile; fi; dd if=/dev/urandom of=bigfile }; while true; do erase; done |
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| 22:30.08 | mordy_ | oh teraflops already said something similar |
| 22:30.12 | teraflops | right |
| 22:30.13 | mordy_ | if you were really paranoid, do it as root |
| 22:30.15 | PingFloyd | probably something would be missed though |
| 22:30.40 | PingFloyd | if you're real paranoid, then backup the system, use dban on the whole thing, then restore system |
| 22:30.42 | mordy_ | and if you were REALLY paranoid use /dev/random and then wait a few weeks |
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| 22:31.07 | mordy_ | and if you were really really paranoid you'd have redundant RNGs |
| 22:31.13 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:31.33 | streuner | paranoid is somebody who dont know his enemies |
| 22:31.44 | streuner | or dont know whats going on... |
| 22:31.46 | mordy_ | i know who THEY are. they are listening! |
| 22:31.51 | streuner | haha |
| 22:31.52 | PingFloyd | maybe zerofree is the answer |
| 22:32.01 | foetus | just zero the space..right |
| 22:32.03 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: that fills up the disk i assume? |
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| 22:32.44 | PingFloyd | mordy_: looks like it fills up unallocated space with zeros |
| 22:33.14 | mordy_ | also actually i'd modify my script to use hdparm every so often (perhaps every sector) and use a different mode :P |
| 22:33.26 | PingFloyd | it's probably not that secure though |
| 22:33.31 | mordy_ | hdparm is pretty cool |
| 22:33.45 | mordy_ | it's probably what dban does. just make the disk write a lot of random data in many different modes |
| 22:34.26 | foetus | hmm..no. better not hdparm at all. |
| 22:34.39 | mordy_ | but the same concept, no? |
| 22:35.06 | mordy_ | i know there's a kernel option which needs to be enabled for 'basic disk forensics', don't know what that is though |
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| 22:36.09 | octo_ | is it possible forthe IDE to get stuck compiling? mine has been compiling for some time now |
| 22:36.11 | foetus | take care with hdparm. i would not prefer this - if you like your harddisk :) |
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| 22:36.24 | octo_ | just sitting there saying Compiling... |
| 22:36.28 | maligor | hdparm man page also has amusing comments: VERY DANGEROUS, DONâT EVEN THINK ABOUT USING IT |
| 22:36.33 | mordy_ | foetus: well assuming one knows how to use it :P |
| 22:36.38 | mordy_ | lol |
| 22:36.47 | glicks | looks like i may have to write my own, universal disk wiping utility |
| 22:36.50 | mordy_ | many manpages have extremely amusing comments |
| 22:36.53 | streuner | maligor: hehe |
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| 22:37.06 | mordy_ | i think there's one that says "We would show an example, but it is too ugly" |
| 22:37.32 | streuner | glicks: well, what makes you think that somebody is interesting to spend lots of bucks to make the data alive? :-) |
| 22:37.42 | mordy_ | it's ALIVE! |
| 22:37.48 | streuner | pr0n? :-) |
| 22:37.51 | mordy_ | lol |
| 22:38.04 | glicks | because i dont trust the government? |
| 22:38.11 | foetus | :) |
| 22:38.12 | streuner | nobody trust them |
| 22:38.17 | mordy_ | someone should make a 'conspiracy theorist linux' |
| 22:38.18 | octo_ | no errors or anything, just still says compiling |
| 22:38.33 | streuner | but almost nobody are care about the data at his box |
| 22:38.43 | streuner | s/at/of/ |
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| 22:39.06 | teraflops | mordy, someone has. |
| 22:39.07 | teraflops | http://tinfoilhat.shmoo.com/ |
| 22:39.15 | mordy_ | the distro will boot by assembling the latest version of gcc and then compiling the kernel |
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| 22:39.57 | octo_ | Im in IDE 0015 in win XP, and it just says compiling. Any ideas what the prob might be ? |
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| 22:41.17 | mordy_ | awww the logo is so cute |
| 22:41.40 | PingFloyd | octo_: yeah, win XP |
| 22:43.12 | octo_ | yea i know, i dont have a choice though because they dont have 0015 for linux yet :( |
| 22:43.23 | octo_ | well, 64 bit |
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| 22:44.04 | pyrohotdog | I just installed 5.0.1 and upon restart all I get is a grub prompt. |
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| 22:50.14 | pyrohotdog | Lively channel today. |
| 22:50.32 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is there a way to save the gconf configurations ? |
| 22:50.44 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i mean to a file or something, which can be restored incase i format my box |
| 22:51.13 | Doctor_Nick | ls |
| 22:51.21 | Doctor_Nick | dir |
| 22:51.29 | lillis | Doctor_Nick: wrong prompt.. |
| 22:51.31 | lillis | :) |
| 22:51.34 | streuner | heh |
| 22:51.43 | Doctor_Nick | rm -rf lillis |
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| 22:52.00 | lillis | Doctor_Nick: I'm locked down with a flag, sorr |
| 22:52.01 | octo_ | how can you comment out a whole bunch of code ? |
| 22:52.01 | lillis | y |
| 22:52.22 | Doctor_Nick | octo_: in what editor |
| 22:52.26 | octo_ | "ln nl" or somethi8ng like that ? |
| 22:52.45 | octo_ | in the arduino ide op, wrong window :) |
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| 22:57.17 | Firestarter | what could causea hd to not be cleanly unmounted at shutdown. It sayes that every time during startup but no errors are ever found |
| 22:58.10 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: how are you shutting down? |
| 22:58.24 | Firestarter | with kde |
| 22:58.34 | Firestarter | should I try shutdown -h now ? |
| 22:58.42 | PingFloyd | yeah, give it a try to see |
| 22:58.49 | Firestarter | ok thanks |
| 22:58.58 | PingFloyd | then you'll know if something is odd with how kde is shutting down |
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| 23:03.53 | pyrohotdog | I just installed 5.0.1 and upon restart all I get is a grub prompt. |
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| 23:04.21 | mordy_ | use a live cd and check if /boot/grub/menu.lst exists |
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| 23:04.28 | mordy_ | mount what _used_ to be your boot partition |
| 23:04.38 | mordy_ | or just start the kernel from grub and reinstall it |
| 23:04.46 | mordy_ | your menu.lst is missing |
| 23:05.29 | Firestarter | dang system still won't cleanly unmount the hd |
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| 23:06.39 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: I'd check you /etc/rc0.d/ and /etc/rc6.d/ |
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| 23:06.53 | Ace2017_- | Anyone know how to remove the username, wastebasket, desktop, file system that shows up in the side pane of gtk dialogues? and in thunar? |
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| 23:07.05 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: see if it is missing link to a needed script for shutdown |
| 23:07.32 | Firestarter | Pink_Floyd: ok what kind of line should I look for? |
| 23:07.35 | PingFloyd | such as S40umountfs and S60umountroot |
| 23:07.48 | Firestarter | ok |
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| 23:09.19 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: the big problem here is dependencies. i guess i could have some more control if i could sort via categories |
| 23:09.33 | mordy_ | e.g. you have categories in the repository too, like /essential etc. |
| 23:09.39 | mordy_ | maybe that would actually work.. hmm... |
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| 23:10.23 | PingFloyd | mordy_: problem with what? |
| 23:10.25 | enouf | Firestarter: http://rafb.net/p/MLvspt24.html |
| 23:10.34 | enouf | Firestarter: just as a possible guide |
| 23:11.22 | Firestarter | PinkFloyd: Both of those files exist in both dir you suggested I check |
| 23:11.28 | enouf | Firestarter: use that find, but replace clean with mount |
| 23:11.32 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: well the problem essentially is that apt is not smart enough to know what _type_ of dependencies you want pulled in and what you want to keep at the current version |
| 23:11.32 | Firestarter | enouf: ok thanks |
| 23:12.34 | enouf | Firestarter: how are you shutting down usually? |
| 23:12.36 | PingFloyd | mordy_: if you want to keep certain packages at a certain version instead of having it track upgrades, you'll need to mark as held |
| 23:12.53 | enouf | Firestarter: you could try a "/msg dpkg forcefsck" |
| 23:12.55 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: there's another way i assume.. but let me verify this.. |
| 23:12.57 | PingFloyd | enouf: he's using klingon destructive environment |
| 23:13.20 | PingFloyd | mordy_: make sure you install apt-show-versions |
| 23:13.24 | Firestarter | enuof: I was using shutdown in kde but also tried shutdown -h now |
| 23:13.25 | enouf | PingFloyd: pointy ear power of greyskull bozo?! |
| 23:13.36 | enouf | Firestarter: odd .. |
| 23:13.40 | PingFloyd | mordy_: that will help you see what version are with what release and also see what will be upgraded as what release etc. |
| 23:13.58 | Firestarter | enouf: It runs fsck at startup but never finds any errors. |
| 23:14.24 | glicks | whats the default ext3 mode for debian/buntu systems? |
| 23:14.27 | PingFloyd | I wonder if it is retaining the file that flags fsck on startup |
| 23:14.37 | PingFloyd | I forget where |
| 23:15.16 | Firestarter | it also sayes something just before it halts about failed to unmount root fs |
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| 23:15.44 | PingFloyd | does it try remount root fs as ro though? |
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| 23:16.03 | Firestarter | PinkFloyd: Not that I can tell |
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| 23:16.33 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: well you know the archive has various categories and tags |
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| 23:16.38 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: and those symlinks I had you check aren't dangling are they? |
| 23:16.58 | PingFloyd | mordy_: yeah, but I always ignore those |
| 23:17.00 | mordy_ | i wonder if there's a way to have priorities by tags/categories |
| 23:17.04 | PingFloyd | mordy_: l key is your friend |
| 23:17.08 | Firestarter | PinkFloyd: dangling? |
| 23:17.21 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: yes but you'd know that the real essential ones are "Essential" etc. |
| 23:17.24 | enouf | Firestarter: are they pointing to something? |
| 23:17.34 | enouf | that exists |
| 23:17.36 | PingFloyd | mordy_: those will stay on even if you mark them auto |
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| 23:17.52 | enouf | Firestarter: add -ls to the find command |
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| 23:18.11 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: the point is that i want to move away from a manual selection to category based selection |
| 23:18.23 | mordy_ | something like Pin-Section: Essential |
| 23:18.28 | enouf | mordy_: you want pkg "priority" |
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| 23:18.41 | mordy_ | so that would make sure that everything in the "Essential" section is kept at the current version |
| 23:18.45 | PingFloyd | I'm sure there's a way to pin on that criteria |
| 23:18.57 | Firestarter | PinkFloyd: looks ok lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Dec 20 2004 S40umountfs -> ../init.d/umountfs |
| 23:18.57 | Firestarter | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Dec 4 2005 S60umountroot -> ../init.d/umountroot |
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| 23:19.10 | krisfremen | hmm, how do i enable cron logging? |
| 23:19.20 | enouf | ~priority in aptitude and tasksel; or .. |
| 23:19.24 | enouf | ~$ dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | egrep -i 'standard|important|required' | sort -n | less |
| 23:19.49 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: is S90halt ok too in rc0.d |
| 23:20.03 | enouf | Firestarter: check /var/log/fsck/* |
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| 23:21.56 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: that depends on whether the "Pin-*" is hardcoded or whether it simply parses it as "Pin-$some_other_field" |
| 23:22.23 | mordy_ | where some_other_field is one of the usual apt criteria |
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| 23:23.10 | Firestarter | enouf: PinkFloyd: S90halt looks fine and /var/log/fsck contains two files checkfs checkroot that don't contain any errors except the root fs not cleanly unmonted |
| 23:24.15 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: on startup was fsck able to competely run on rootfs? |
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| 23:24.37 | mordy_ | in fact, assuming tags and sections are properly maintained and sorted, it would be possible for users to select various levels of 'rolling' distributions |
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| 23:25.18 | Firestarter | PinkFloyd: found something is checkroot "fsck died with exit status 1 |
| 23:25.18 | Firestarter | " |
| 23:25.44 | mordy_ | poor fsck |
| 23:25.49 | enouf | Firestarter: is your / FS on any RAID or LVM or somethng? |
| 23:25.58 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: that usually means if found an error and corrected |
| 23:26.09 | enouf | Firestarter: pastebion output of /etc/fstab and /etc/default/rcS if it exists |
| 23:26.11 | Firestarter | Just single hd |
| 23:26.24 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: did you try shutdown -rF now yet? |
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| 23:26.32 | mordy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.33 | PingFloyd | just to see if it clears up condition |
| 23:26.54 | enouf | Firestarter: as a side note; might want to install and use smartmontools / smartctl and even run badblocks on that HDD eventually |
| 23:27.14 | enouf | PingFloyd: i thought we did a touch /forcefsck ? |
| 23:27.22 | enouf | Firestarter: did we? .. er you? |
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| 23:27.31 | PingFloyd | enouf: that brings up another thing too |
| 23:27.46 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: is there a /forcefsck file still on there? |
| 23:28.02 | Firestarter | enouf: no I did not do /forcefsck |
| 23:28.25 | enouf | Firestarter: have you added some startup/shutdown init.d scripts? like maybe .. oh something to make firestarter (the firewall) work? |
| 23:28.40 | enouf | !+tell Firestarter -about forcefsck |
| 23:28.40 | dpkg | told Firestarter about forcefsck. |
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| 23:29.14 | Firestarter | I did add a scrit for some bbs software should I try shutting it down removing the script and restarting |
| 23:29.22 | mib_i0x3fr | hi |
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| 23:30.10 | mib_i0x3fr | there is a multi-player, side-scrolling action shooter where you control bunnies who kill each other. keyboard moves, mouse aims. what is the name of that game? |
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| 23:30.34 | mordy_ | dmesg | grep -i error is a quick way to see whether you're having disk problems |
| 23:31.09 | mordy_ | or -i i\/o |
| 23:31.16 | Firestarter | enuof: I can remove that script past them files in pasebin and I will give a reboot another try |
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| 23:33.00 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: where is script located and how is it being invoked? |
| 23:33.10 | mordy_ | meh i'd actually look at the source of apt and see how easy it would be to implement that kind of 'rolling release' but meh, i think it would do more harm than good.. or hmm... |
| 23:33.42 | mordy_ | or can we treat groups of dependencies as isolated objects in terms of stability etc.? |
| 23:33.52 | PingFloyd | mordy_: when all is said and done, if you want rolling release, it would be much simpler to just use testing+ |
| 23:34.10 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: and even with testing you still don't get what's in sid |
| 23:34.20 | mordy_ | you'd still have the same issue |
| 23:34.30 | PingFloyd | mordy_: yeah, but you can pull in pkg from sid explicitly if need be |
| 23:34.37 | mordy_ | bleh |
| 23:34.39 | PingFloyd | mordy_: or go the backport approach |
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| 23:34.49 | mordy_ | it's what i'm trying to avoid |
| 23:35.05 | Firestarter | PinkFloyd: /etc/rc2.d/S98synchronet is the file |
| 23:35.17 | PingFloyd | or install from upstream source ... |
| 23:35.31 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: is there a kill symlink for it in /etc/rc0.d/ ? |
| 23:35.39 | mordy_ | (1) not everything is backported, (2) not everything can be backported, (3) to backport yourself would take quite a nice amount of time; (4) users may not necessarily care about whether a certain group of depends is stable or not, but care about other groups |
| 23:35.49 | Firestarter | PinkFloyd: No |
| 23:36.05 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: that may be the problem then |
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| 23:36.12 | Firestarter | ok |
| 23:36.20 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: try creating a symlink that will exec before umount symlinks |
| 23:36.26 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: actually |
| 23:36.39 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: for starters try killing it manually and then shutdown |
| 23:36.44 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: just to test first |
| 23:36.51 | Firestarter | PingFloyd: ok |
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| 23:37.59 | Firestarter | PingFloyd: Here are those files I will kill that and do a reboot now |
| 23:38.09 | Firestarter | PingFloyd: http://pastebin.ca/1417826 |
| 23:38.28 | enouf | Firestarter: doesn't seem like anything launched in rc2.d would inhibit a bad shutdown, but .. ahh ... you guys got it |
| 23:38.43 | PingFloyd | mordy_: if there's something in unstable and I need it, I usually do an aptitude install -t unstable pkg |
| 23:39.02 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: and what about the dependencies? |
| 23:39.13 | PingFloyd | mordy_: it depends on the pkg |
| 23:39.20 | mordy_ | and what about if a user wants to always have the latest version of package X? |
| 23:39.24 | PingFloyd | mordy_: the pkg may or may not work with older dependencies |
| 23:39.34 | mordy_ | err... x ... X is sort of a real package |
| 23:39.42 | enouf | Firestarter: yes, you don't add init.d symlinks without also finding a way (many times through rc{0,6}.d/KNNscriptname) to stop the service you started |
| 23:39.55 | PingFloyd | mordy_: if that creates issues, then that's when I go the backport route |
| 23:40.21 | Firestarter | enouf: ok thanks |
| 23:40.24 | PingFloyd | mordy_: if there isn't a backport, I either create one, or just say screw it altogether and go upstream source altogether |
| 23:40.33 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: but a backport is again based on the same model of selecting a single package and then fixing it/porting it to work with older dependencies |
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| 23:41.05 | PingFloyd | mordy_: backport is going to be less problem prone in most cases |
| 23:41.15 | PingFloyd | mordy_: since it is built with older dependencies |
| 23:41.17 | ComradeHaz | Hi guys, how do I specify which display to run something on if I run it over ssh (I want :0 ) |
| 23:41.27 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: the point is that it's more tedious |
| 23:41.32 | Firestarter | will reboot now |
| 23:41.50 | enouf | ComradeHaz: not in both networks at once! |
| 23:42.25 | ComradeHaz | lol enouf |
| 23:42.27 | ComradeHaz | why not? |
| 23:42.28 | ComradeHaz | :d |
| 23:42.38 | ComradeHaz | mostly it's different people :D |
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| 23:42.54 | mordy_ | DISPLAY=:0.0 <program> doesn't work? |
| 23:43.03 | enouf | and you don't mind pitting one against another? |
| 23:43.21 | ComradeHaz | didn;t know that syntax mordy_ thanks |
| 23:43.29 | ComradeHaz | lol enouf, nope. :D |
| 23:43.42 | enouf | i guess i'll never try to help you anymore - you don't respect that we too value our time |
| 23:44.16 | mordy_ | polemical todya? |
| 23:44.47 | PingFloyd | mordy_: anyway, if you're going to mix, you want to keep it to as bare minimum as possible |
| 23:44.55 | ComradeHaz | huh?! I certainly do enouf. But why, then, would you mind me asking other peiople? It would save you answering. |
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| 23:45.32 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: and that's where category-based pinning takes effect |
| 23:45.59 | mordy_ | let's say i don't care about X, i don't care about GUIs; so i'd like to have the latest version and just check it out to see if anything is appealing |
| 23:46.17 | mordy_ | but other than that i'd like to have my system be =stable |
| 23:47.29 | mordy_ | so as long as the testing/unstable track doesn't touch your stable track then you're fine |
| 23:48.07 | enouf | mordy_: use a debootstrap installation and install sid there |
| 23:48.23 | mordy_ | lol |
| 23:48.37 | enouf | !debootstrap |
| 23:48.37 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips#s-chroot . It is key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <i-g>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 23:49.01 | enouf | someone reformat that! .. yuk |
| 23:49.29 | mordy_ | what's wrong with it? |
| 23:49.52 | enouf | too many \t or \n and wrongly placed |
| 23:50.37 | PingFloyd | mordy_: I don't think there is any way around that |
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| 23:51.27 | PingFloyd | mordy_: if one pkg release depends on same dependency as other release, then it will just leave the older one unless it requires a higher version |
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| 23:52.51 | PingFloyd | mordy_: aptitude will only bring in newer release dependencies if needed such as pkg version greater than other release or not installed yet |
| 23:53.25 | PingFloyd | if a stable dependency fullfills the needed depend, then it will leave it alone |
| 23:54.01 | PingFloyd | and that is working on the assumption the pkg maintainer understood any compatibility issues between versions of the depends |
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| 23:54.23 | enouf | mordy_: heck, i have etch installed on another HDD's partition and i chroot into it when i want, but i normally run a very funky mix |
| 23:54.53 | enouf | mordy_: all debootstrap requires is a dir/ not even a partition |
| 23:55.09 | enouf | PingFloyd: i think we scared him ;-P |
| 23:55.13 | mordy_ | enouf: i've done debootstrap a million times :P i'm just looking for other approaches |
| 23:55.20 | PingFloyd | you can override the dependencies that are pulled in, but that could be more harm than good |
| 23:55.28 | flami | Hi, I have a "HDA Intel, ALC888 Analog" as aplay -L says, but I cant seem to find another capture device then "mic". does anyone know if theres a way to select the mixer as capture device ? |
| 23:55.34 | mordy_ | heck the system i'm using now is so mutilated as well; but i had to do this all manually |
| 23:55.40 | enouf | In soviet russia approach debootstraps you! |
| 23:55.45 | PingFloyd | it comes down to who knew their shit better, the user or the maintainer |
| 23:55.48 | mordy_ | ROTFL |
| 23:56.03 | faffi | are exprimental and unstable the same branch? |
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| 23:56.23 | enouf | no |
| 23:56.24 | flami | nope experiemental is waayyyy more experiemntal the unstable ^^ |
| 23:56.35 | PingFloyd | experimental is unstable's unstable |
| 23:56.36 | faffi | haha |
| 23:56.38 | faffi | ok |
| 23:56.41 | enouf | exp is not even full |
| 23:56.43 | faffi | well thats where kde 4.2 is :/ |
| 23:56.46 | enouf | !experimental |
| 23:56.47 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 23:56.57 | flami | nope unstable has 4.2 if i remeber right |
| 23:57.08 | enouf | judd: versions kde |
| 23:57.09 | judd | enouf: kde -- etch: 5:47 lenny: 5:48 sid: 5:48 squeeze: 5:48 |
| 23:57.20 | enouf | wtf? |
| 23:57.23 | faffi | ROFL |
| 23:57.24 | enouf | !kde4 |
| 23:57.25 | dpkg | kde4 is a the lastest version of the KDE desktop. It was not released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4.1 are available from http://kde4.debian.net/ KDE 4.2 should start to appear in unstable soon, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2009/03/msg00072.html <Experimental> packages are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 23:57.34 | flami | wow we have kde 5 ? |
| 23:57.44 | enouf | !epocj |
| 23:57.47 | enouf | !epoch |
| 23:57.47 | dpkg | it has been said that epoch is the end of an era. For example y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. The unix epoch on 32 bit hardware isn't until Jan 18 2038, by which time we will probably have all migrated to 64 bit architectures. It's also a version number orderer used by the Debian packaging software. For example: 2:0.0.0 is a higher version than 9.9.9 by itself. |
| 23:57.51 | faffi | is there a definite guide on going from 3.5 to 4.2 anywhere |
| 23:58.01 | enouf | !eon |
| 23:58.04 | enouf | !era |
| 23:58.06 | mordy_ | !factoid |
| 23:58.07 | dpkg | i heard factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
| 23:58.12 | enouf | get's the stains out |
| 23:58.12 | mordy_ | !spam |
| 23:58.13 | dpkg | i heard spam is a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, to destroy it, try <spamassassin> (spamd+spamc), razor, crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week), <dspam>, http://www.craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt, <list spam>. |
| 23:58.15 | PingFloyd | my definite guide is aptitude purge kde |
| 23:58.17 | amphi | faffi: 'cautiously', I believe |
| 23:58.24 | enouf | PingFloyd: and more ... |
| 23:58.25 | flami | faffi, try this http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 23:58.27 | faffi | :/ |
| 23:58.59 | faffi | flami: thanks |
| 23:59.12 | mordy_ | !! |
| 23:59.13 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 23:59.14 | mordy_ | lol |
| 23:59.19 | mordy_ | ROTFL |
| 23:59.34 | PingFloyd | enouf: brown koke stains? |
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| 23:59.50 | faffi | if i have apt pinning setup to upgrade from lenny first then unstable, if it doesnt find a new version in lenny is it going to try to grab it from unstable? |
| 23:59.59 | enouf | dpkg: kde4 =~ s/debian-kde/debian-kde (on irc.debian.org)/ |
