| 00:00.00 | dpkg | enouf: OK |
| 00:00.12 | mordy_ | basically the guts of the entire kernel and userspace in this system are very bleeding edge |
| 00:00.21 | mordy_ | hmm.. perhaps i should upgrade wireless supplicant as well |
| 00:00.30 | mordy_ | wpa_supplicant |
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| 00:00.48 | PingFloyd | mordy_: as the saying goes, "If you break it, you get to keep both pieces" |
| 00:00.49 | enouf | oh fuck |
| 00:00.52 | mordy_ | i mean the wireless subssytem is bleeding edge. the rest is normal |
| 00:00.54 | enouf | !kde4 |
| 00:00.55 | dpkg | kde4 is a the lastest version of the KDE desktop. It was not released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4.1 are available from http://kde4.debian.net/ KDE 4.2 should start to appear in unstable soon, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde (on irc.debian.org)/2009/03/msg00072.html <Experimental> packages are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 00:01.15 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: yeah i know what i'm doing with this system :P everything is isolated |
| 00:01.26 | enouf | dpkg: kde4 =~ s,http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde (on irc.debian.org)/http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde, |
| 00:01.27 | dpkg | enouf: You are moron #1 |
| 00:01.38 | enouf | yes, i am |
| 00:01.44 | enouf | dpkg: kde4 =~ s,http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde (on irc.debian.org),http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde, |
| 00:01.45 | dpkg | enouf: OK |
| 00:01.52 | PingFloyd | mordy_: it's not a big deal anyway, at worst case scenario, just reinstall the distro |
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| 00:01.58 | faffi | well here goes nothing |
| 00:01.58 | faffi | lol |
| 00:01.58 | amphi | #1, eh? |
| 00:01.59 | mordy_ | lol |
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| 00:02.17 | flami | dpkg is in a bad mood it seems |
| 00:02.17 | dpkg | flami: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 00:02.47 | mordy_ | !be happy |
| 00:03.00 | mordy_ | !cheerup |
| 00:03.04 | mordy_ | !gah |
| 00:03.04 | dpkg | [gah] one of the top favourite words |
| 00:03.08 | MichelFX | hello, What I need to put in Xorg to use savage driver? |
| 00:03.23 | MichelFX | I installed xserver-xorg-video-savage |
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| 00:03.32 | MichelFX | but I dont know what I do now |
| 00:03.36 | mordy_ | so probably Driver "savage" |
| 00:03.41 | wolfsohn | http://www.debian-desktop.org/doku.php |
| 00:03.45 | mordy_ | in the Device section |
| 00:03.56 | PingFloyd | MichelFX: easy way is to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:03.59 | wolfsohn | KDE 4.2.2 (lenny, i386, amd64) |
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| 00:04.19 | mordy_ | PingFloyd: usually only good when you have a single videoc ard though |
| 00:04.21 | Firestarter | enouf: PingFloyd: No luck how was it that I check for bad sectors. I also see an error on shutdown something about not being able to kill a proccess pid 3382. Also if I do a suspend to disk it don't check the hd. |
| 00:04.26 | MichelFX | thank you |
| 00:04.44 | PingFloyd | MichelFX: and then go behind and manually edit/tweak your xorg.conf if needed |
| 00:04.46 | mordy_ | a single card wiht a single ouptut |
| 00:04.51 | PingFloyd | MichelFX: you're welcome |
| 00:05.09 | Roddux | Ciaoo guys |
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| 00:05.25 | faffi | i wonder how many things are gonna break |
| 00:05.26 | faffi | this is gonna be fun |
| 00:05.40 | mordy_ | here's my xorg.conf for reference :P |
| 00:05.41 | PingFloyd | MichelFX: if nothing else, running that dpkg line will give you a good base to tweak a little further |
| 00:05.42 | mordy_ | http://pastebin.com/f4b672baf |
| 00:05.43 | Hellow | Hello, does anyone have any information on setting up a DSL internet connection over USB |
| 00:05.47 | Hellow | Its the USB part that I cannot overcome |
| 00:06.34 | enouf | Firestarter: you never pastebinned what i asked for, i don;t think |
| 00:07.13 | Hellow | has done tons of googling on this, nothing that helps came up |
| 00:07.25 | faffi | restart time hopefully into new kde |
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| 00:07.48 | enouf | Firestarter: ahh .. got em, you did http://pastebin.ca/1417826 |
| 00:08.05 | mordy_ | Hellow: i've never done this before, but you basically need to establish a pppoe connection |
| 00:08.14 | enouf | Firestarter: you prefixed the url with PingFloyd though , so i wasn't highlighted |
| 00:08.33 | mordy_ | Hellow: usually the modem has a router function inside of it that lets you configure it via a web interface; in that case the modem should have its own IP |
| 00:08.35 | Hellow | mordy_: Its not that, my modem has a USB interface, but I cannot get Debian to detect and use that |
| 00:08.44 | mordy_ | Hellow: does it show up in lsusb? |
| 00:08.52 | Hellow | mordy_: yes |
| 00:09.05 | Firestarter | enouf: sorry about that |
| 00:09.10 | Hellow | mordy_: If it helps any, the modem in question is a Speedstream 4200 DSL modem |
| 00:09.15 | enouf | Firestarter: looks ok - but - do you leave this disk always plugged in? dev/sda /usb vfat user,auto 0 0 |
| 00:09.28 | Firestarter | enouf: no |
| 00:09.35 | mordy_ | Hellow: what does dmesg tell you when you plug it in? |
| 00:09.41 | mordy_ | lsmod | grep rndis |
| 00:09.49 | Hellow | mordy_: hold on |
| 00:10.09 | mordy_ | or maybe something else actually |
| 00:10.19 | mordy_ | jsut grep usb for that matter let's see what it's using |
| 00:10.33 | mordy_ | or actually lshw should show you what it's using |
| 00:10.40 | Firestarter | enouf: I could probably remove the fd0 sda and the cdrom? |
| 00:11.44 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: is there an external drive involved? |
| 00:11.54 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: usb hd? |
| 00:12.28 | Hellow | mordy_: Heh, I was running off what I knew was, i'm still installing the system that I am going to be using the USB interface on |
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| 00:12.37 | Firestarter | PingFloyd: I used to keep a usb drive plugged in. Guess I never botherd to remove that |
| 00:12.37 | Hellow | ..and the kernel installation just failed |
| 00:12.38 | Hellow | yay |
| 00:12.44 | mordy_ | lol |
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| 00:13.14 | Hellow | facepalms |
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| 00:14.11 | mordy_ | brb |
| 00:15.35 | Firestarter | PingFloyd: could that cause errors? |
| 00:15.59 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: possibly |
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| 00:16.18 | PingFloyd | Firestarter: at this point it's about narrowing down through experiment |
| 00:16.32 | Firestarter | will give it a shot then guess I will have to check for bad blocks |
| 00:17.37 | wolfsohn | is acpi, hal or so broken on sid? |
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| 00:27.10 | mordy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.02 | wolfsohn | last night dist-upgrade on my latitude d610 and the hibernate shortcut is not working, closing the lid and reopening, the screen is non-responding |
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| 00:28.09 | wolfsohn | only black |
| 00:29.28 | wolfsohn | the logfiles are clean |
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| 00:42.45 | mordy_ | hmmm.. in the aptitude UI, how do i check which archive a package is from? |
| 00:43.24 | wolfsohn | no idea i use apt-get/apt-cache |
| 00:43.38 | wolfsohn | apt-cache policy package-name |
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| 00:46.50 | mordy_ | apt-cache policy isn't giving me much info |
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| 00:52.18 | bjk | mordy_, by archive do you mean stable, testing, unstable..? |
| 00:52.59 | mordy_ | bjk: yes |
| 00:53.00 | condate | apt-cache policy tells you which archive, if you mean in bjk's sense of the word |
| 00:53.22 | enouf | Firestarter: if it;s no longer plugged in between boot/{suspend/hibernate}/shutdown/reboot sequence remove any stale symlinks for it found in ls -l /dev/disk/*, and mv /etc/blkid.tab out of the way -- still trying to ascertain what's going on -- also /msg dpkg bootlogd and check the resultant /boot log file |
| 00:53.51 | mordy_ | for me it just gives three lines, the first two are (none) and the third line (version table) doesn't say anything |
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| 00:54.13 | mordy_ | i use aptitude to install things though; not invoke apt-get directly |
| 00:54.13 | bjk | yeah, if you have /etc/apt/sources.list setup properly |
| 00:54.35 | mordy_ | so it's supposed to not say anything/ |
| 00:54.37 | enouf | wolfsohn: this is older, but it is a 610 ;-) http://www.castalie.org/Linux/C610-ACPI.html |
| 00:54.54 | enouf | oh, yours is a d610 ... oh well |
| 00:55.19 | bjk | where did you install the package from? an official .deb? |
| 00:55.34 | mordy_ | yes |
| 00:55.42 | mordy_ | this happens with all package actually |
| 00:56.10 | bjk | nothing? |
| 00:56.21 | mordy_ | e.g... let me try this... |
| 00:56.51 | mordy_ | http://pastebin.com/f7800d1a0 |
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| 00:57.01 | mordy_ | hmm.. weird |
| 00:57.07 | mordy_ | on this system it shows up fine |
| 00:57.16 | enouf | wolfsohn: check also maybe tuxmobil.org or linux-laptops.net for more current info |
| 00:57.26 | mordy_ | but on my other system i don't see anything even though i'm quite positive i have the package. |
| 00:57.43 | bjk | mordy_, /etc/apt/sources.list look good? |
| 00:57.48 | mordy_ | yes... |
| 00:57.49 | mordy_ | oh wait... |
| 00:58.02 | mordy_ | am i supposed to see the policy if i give it a name of a metapackage or virtual package? |
| 00:58.08 | bjk | not sure |
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| 00:58.16 | mordy_ | maybe that's the problem |
| 00:58.29 | mordy_ | all the packages i was trying to test it with were apparenly virtual packages |
| 00:58.54 | bjk | hrm. works for the gnome meta-package |
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| 00:59.02 | mordy_ | nvm.. i hope i just didn't bork anything is all... i placed sid and testing in my sources.list and gave them both a priority of <100 |
| 00:59.25 | mordy_ | that means it will only be installed unless i explicitly tell it to install from that archive and by default use stable, right? |
| 00:59.30 | Firestarter | enouf: with ls -l /dev/disk/* I get a listing for a hdc hdd I only have one hd could those be my cdrom drives? |
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| 01:00.13 | enouf | Firestarter: sure can ; cat /proc/sys/dev/ide/cdrom |
| 01:00.25 | enouf | Firestarter: sure can ; cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info i mean |
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| 01:01.17 | enouf | Firestarter: dmesg | grep ATAPI ; dmesg | grep hd |
| 01:01.35 | bjk | mordy_, should. I have testing at Pin-Priority: 900 an unstable at 400 and it works. |
| 01:01.45 | keith4_ | I built my own lirc deb, with support for another IR receiver. how do I keep apt from "upgrading" it? |
| 01:01.54 | bjk | mordy_, but testing is my default archive |
| 01:02.25 | enouf | Firestarter: er .. your /etc/fstab says hda1 and hda2 are your / and your swap on your HDD |
| 01:02.32 | wolfsohn | enouf: thx but is was verry well working |
| 01:02.34 | mordy_ | hmm... i see |
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| 01:02.50 | enouf | http://pastebin.ca/1417826 |
| 01:02.50 | mordy_ | i don't know why i used <100 then... hmm... |
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| 01:03.22 | bjk | mordy_, read manual. there are certain priorities that mean certain things. |
| 01:03.29 | mordy_ | i guess i probably want testing to be 101 and then unstable to be 100 |
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| 01:03.45 | mordy_ | bjk: i've been reading it the whole day, but for some reason i'm having a hard time getting it :P |
| 01:03.56 | mordy_ | well not the _whole_ day, but i've read it quite a few times |
| 01:04.01 | wolfsohn | after the dist-upgrade yesterday it bugs |
| 01:04.14 | mordy_ | unless it's explained more in the aptitude manual? :-S |
| 01:04.29 | mordy_ | shudders |
| 01:04.36 | enouf | wolfsohn: it's Sid; deal with it |
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| 01:04.55 | wolfsohn | it is crapy |
| 01:05.01 | kenboo | Is X compiled with IPv6 support? |
| 01:05.10 | enouf | or .. learn how to debug - help file bug reports at the least ; submit patches at the best |
| 01:06.07 | enouf | !aptitude-doc |
| 01:06.12 | mordy_ | i hate filing reports personally. i usually just find the devs on irc and then present them with the problem |
| 01:06.16 | enouf | !aptitude-doc-cc |
| 01:06.20 | enouf | wtf? |
| 01:06.21 | mordy_ | aptitude's manual is scary |
| 01:06.39 | Zesturian | Can I request apf help here? I basically need to have the deny rules applied to all network interfaces (well obviously not lo), anyone know how /if this is possible? |
| 01:06.50 | enouf | !aptitude docs |
| 01:06.51 | dpkg | Documentation for aptitude can be found in the aptitude-doc package (to see the languages in which it is available, apt-cache showpkg aptitude-doc) or at http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/index.html . Also ask me about <aptitude search><aptitude-build-dep><aptitude clone><aptitude-fu>, or <aptitude debug> |
| 01:07.39 | wolfsohn | a dev for wath, no idea wherever the error/bug is |
| 01:07.54 | wolfsohn | logfiles are clean |
| 01:08.17 | mordy_ | well it's probably somethihing to do with the vbe state |
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| 01:09.25 | mordy_ | also are you using a framebuffer? |
| 01:09.34 | mordy_ | and does it work when you don't use it |
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| 01:10.53 | wolfsohn | pure runlevel 3 without X, and runlevel 5 with X and Driver "intel" |
| 01:11.25 | mordy_ | i thiink that one is pretty problematic |
| 01:11.36 | mordy_ | on i thought you meant the intelfb |
| 01:11.43 | mordy_ | so no fb then |
| 01:11.45 | mordy_ | hmm... |
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| 01:20.23 | Dassu | Anybody else having problems with Wine from lamaresh and debian lenny alsa ? |
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| 01:21.18 | enouf | er why is none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 in your fstab? |
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| 01:28.00 | hatter_au | how do i stop iceweasel from asking to start a new session when its shutdown unclean ? |
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| 01:38.58 | dondelelcaro | hatter_au: it's a configuration option for it to track the last session; you can disable it if you wish |
| 01:39.11 | dondelelcaro | (though honestly, it's fairly useful) |
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| 01:42.56 | hatter_au | dondelelcaro, i couldnt find it , i know its good normally, this is for a kiosk, that can get shutdown inadvertently and only shows one website |
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| 01:45.17 | Firestarter | enouf: PingFloyd: here is my boot log file http://pastebin.ca/1417915 |
| 01:45.38 | hatter_au | oh i just found it , in about:config |
| 01:46.00 | enouf | Firestarter: er why is none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 in your fstab? |
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| 01:46.05 | dondelelcaro | halflife08: yeah, I think it's browser.sessionstore.enabled, iirc. |
| 01:46.23 | srart | anyone familiar with FAI? |
| 01:46.23 | dondelelcaro | ah, no; resume_from_crash, though you'd probably want to disable both |
| 01:46.37 | dondelelcaro | srart: probably best to ask your question |
| 01:46.49 | Firestarter | enouf: PingFloyd: I don't know it's nothing I added unless it got added by something |
| 01:47.32 | dondelelcaro | (no one may be able to answer, but lots of questions can be answered even if people don't know a lot about FAI) |
| 01:47.50 | enouf | Firestarter: dist-upgrade the system to Lenny |
| 01:48.08 | Firestarter | enouf: I have |
| 01:48.09 | enouf | Firestarter: and comment out that /sys line |
| 01:48.59 | enouf | do it again, do it right and remove that Firestarter crap |
| 01:49.39 | enouf | then do all those other things concerning a proper / fsck and smartctl and badblocks |
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| 01:52.23 | srart | I'm seting up a smallish Debian lab at my school, but we don't have control of the DHCP and DNS, and I'm trying to figure out how to get the image pulled via the command line. Currently I'm using the FAI-CD setup, I would like to make it so the server can be updated and the others would pull images. I'm OK with the current setup, but would like to start working on getting it more automated and able to handle a bit more than it currently |
| 01:52.23 | srart | good example is a Xeon computer that runs the CD, but won't finish the install. |
| 01:52.27 | zhxk | hello, are there any gui tools for samba tunning? |
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| 01:53.49 | Firestarter | enouf: Is my sources.list correct? http://pastebin.ca/1417923 |
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| 02:00.56 | enouf | yep |
| 02:01.07 | enouf | Firestarter: yep |
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| 02:05.10 | enouf | srart: that installation guide gives you many options |
| 02:10.04 | srart | does FAI support setting up SATA Raid disk when the raid is done in hardware? That is my guess as to what is messing with my Xeon box? |
| 02:10.27 | srart | Xeon does run x86 code right? |
| 02:10.40 | enouf | !xeon |
| 02:10.40 | dpkg | The Xeon brand refers to many families of Intel's x86 multiprocessing CPUs â for dual-processor (DP) and multi-processor (MP) configuration on a single motherboard targeted at non-consumer markets of server and workstation computers. For more details see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon, or use amd64 as arch |
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| 02:11.21 | srart | old Xeon, so not amd64, but looks like the answer is yes. |
| 02:11.54 | enouf | grep flags /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 02:14.48 | Firestarter | enouf: did you see my sources.list? |
| 02:15.03 | enouf | [21:58:23] <enouf> Firestarter: yep |
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| 02:15.41 | Firestarter | enouf: I did an apt-get dist-upgrade and just got a few packages |
| 02:17.02 | Firestarter | brb |
| 02:17.26 | enouf | no update? |
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| 02:34.36 | enouf | Firestarter: no update? |
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| 02:35.05 | enouf | Firestarter: i mean no apt-get update prior to dist-upgrade? |
| 02:35.11 | sanmarcos | are there any time calculators for debian? If I wanted to do 15:02:43 + 45 minutes for example |
| 02:35.16 | Firestarter | enouf: yes I updated but nothing. I guess next is checking for bad blocks |
| 02:35.22 | Firestarter | enouf: yes |
| 02:35.25 | enouf | Firestarter: no |
| 02:35.59 | Firestarter | enouf: I always update before using dist-upgrade |
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| 02:36.29 | enouf | Firestarter: no |
| 02:36.33 | enouf | 29. Sat May 9 21:21:20 2009: Will now mount local filesystems:mount: none already mounted or /sys busy |
| 02:36.51 | enouf | there is no /sys fs entry needed since like 2.4 kernels |
| 02:37.08 | enouf | now do a proper fsck on your / |
| 02:37.11 | enouf | as before |
| 02:37.28 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.44 | PingFloyd | the only vfs I see in my fstab is for /proc |
| 02:38.19 | enouf | PingFloyd: ofcourse - same here |
| 02:38.27 | PingFloyd | seems like the others are probably handled by the init scripts |
| 02:38.44 | enouf | i bet he started with a debian "variant" |
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| 02:39.12 | enouf | i haven't seen sys in fstab since sarge 2.4.27 |
| 02:39.19 | PingFloyd | the variants usually take a good distro like debian and screw it all up |
| 02:39.45 | enouf | IIRC .. or .. perhaps it was the udev changes in 2.6.12 ish at latest |
| 02:39.53 | Firestarter | will removing the other two lines in fstab be safe |
| 02:40.01 | enouf | 2? |
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| 02:40.35 | Firestarter | /dev/hda1 / ext2 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 02:40.35 | Firestarter | /dev/hda2 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 02:40.43 | Firestarter | are those needed in fstab? |
| 02:41.21 | PingFloyd | yeah |
| 02:41.43 | Firestarter | ok and I will just leave the /proc |
| 02:41.56 | sanmarcos | are there any time calculators for debian? If I wanted to do 15:02:43 + 45 minutes for example |
| 02:42.54 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: date will do that |
| 02:43.04 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: how? |
| 02:43.33 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: date -d 'now + 45 min' for example |
| 02:44.49 | sanmarcos | what if I want to specify a date dondelelcaro? |
| 02:45.16 | sanmarcos | xx:xx:xx doenst work, the result is something totally different than it should be |
| 02:45.22 | sanmarcos | i.e date -d '15:12:34 + 1 sec' |
| 02:45.25 | enouf | Firestarter: add defaults as an option prior to errors=remount-ro |
| 02:45.44 | enouf | dildo |
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| 02:47.43 | liable | purple |
| 02:48.32 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: it does if you actually give it a date |
| 02:48.45 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: time addition with out a date and timezone is impossible, though. |
| 02:48.46 | sanmarcos | i dont need dates |
| 02:48.57 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 02:49.12 | dondelelcaro | if you're doing time addition without keeping track of the date and the timezone, you're doing it wrong. |
| 02:49.48 | sanmarcos | no, for what i need it, i dont need dates or tz dondelelcaro |
| 02:50.24 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 02:50.46 | sanmarcos | i told you, given a date like 5:36 am, find out what the time will be if I add 76 mintues for example |
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| 02:51.13 | sanmarcos | tried to find atool to make my life easier something like this http://www.scottseverance.us/html/time_calculator.htm |
| 02:51.16 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: if you are given a time like 05:36, you have to know what date and timezone to know what the time will be if you add 76 minutes. |
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| 02:52.08 | sanmarcos | no, I don't my timezones won't change, I live in an area that doens't use DST, I don't need dates, I can handle them in my head |
| 02:52.20 | dondelelcaro | then use date |
| 02:52.36 | dondelelcaro | date -d 'Sat May 9 05:36:00 UTC 2009 + 4 minutes'; for example. |
| 02:52.39 | sanmarcos | didnt work, ill just use that website |
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| 02:53.19 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: date -d '5:36 76 minutes' +'%H:%M:%S' => 06:52:00 |
| 02:53.22 | dondelelcaro | date works just fine... but use whatever you want |
| 02:53.26 | sanmarcos | ok |
| 02:53.28 | sanmarcos | thanks |
| 02:53.35 | teraflops | I think the +4 minutes part needs to be in double quotes |
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| 02:54.01 | dondelelcaro | teraflops: nah |
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| 02:54.27 | enouf | AZ |
| 02:54.37 | enouf | doesn't follow DST |
| 02:54.41 | olderdebian | Where are the Etch ISOs? No longer online? |
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| 02:55.28 | enouf | olderdebian: they are, but why do you think they should be |
| 02:55.35 | enouf | ? |
| 02:55.43 | olderdebian | I can't find them |
| 02:55.54 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: I use Debian Operating System |
| 02:56.02 | enouf | olderdebian: that's why? |
| 02:56.35 | Firestarter | enouf: PingFloyd: Everything boots fine after removing those lines. I really appreciate your help. |
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| 02:56.45 | \amethyst | olderdebian: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 02:56.50 | enouf | Firestarter: which lines? |
| 02:56.52 | olderdebian | enouf: there is no 4.0 directory on http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ ; I answered "why" yesterday |
| 02:57.10 | Firestarter | enouf: the two in fstab |
| 02:57.12 | enouf | there was only one line to remove Firestarter - or do you mean the sda usb one? |
| 02:57.16 | enouf | as well? |
| 02:57.29 | olderdebian | \amethyst: thanks |
| 02:57.29 | Firestarter | yes |
| 02:58.06 | enouf | olderdebian: i was off work yesterday - i took such a large dump that it disabled me all day |
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| 02:58.21 | enouf | Firestarter: good deal |
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| 02:58.37 | Firestarter | enouf: only line I left was /proc |
| 02:58.56 | enouf | Firestarter: well - other than all the others |
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| 02:59.28 | olderdebian | dpkg: etchnhalf |
| 02:59.29 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 03:00.38 | enouf | [22:42:42] <enouf> Firestarter: add defaults as an option prior to errors=remount-ro |
| 03:00.38 | \amethyst | olderdebian: there's an etchnhalf netinst in 4.0_r6 |
| 03:00.50 | \amethyst | olderdebian: err, 4.0_r8 rather |
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| 03:01.05 | olderdebian | \amethyst: I was just wondering wtf it was |
| 03:01.16 | enouf | Firestarter: you can tweak that though now .. i mentioned it prior |
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| 03:01.47 | olderdebian | ... looking forward to running Debian inside Ubuntu... |
| 03:01.50 | enouf | but you signed off again in between my writing it, and tab-completing your nick |
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| 03:02.37 | roy_hobbs | Should /etc/network/if-up.d still be used? I can't find anything about it in the manpage for ifup or ifconfig, or anything like that |
| 03:02.54 | Firestarter | enouf: what do you mean by defaults? |
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| 03:04.56 | enouf | Firestarter: man mount please |
| 03:05.26 | enouf | Firestarter: then hit /, then type defaults, then press Enter |
| 03:05.41 | enouf | Firestarter: then hit n to find next |
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| 03:07.06 | bjk | roy_hobbs, man 5 interfaces |
| 03:07.36 | enouf | roy_hobbs: yes, or use preup in interfaces |
| 03:08.05 | enouf | roy_hobbs: file:///usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html ; /msg dpkg reference |
| 03:08.11 | Firestarter | enouf: So I can change "errors=remount-ro" to "defaults" |
| 03:08.32 | roy_hobbs | Yeah I see it now thanks. |
| 03:08.32 | enouf | Firestarter: i said prefix, or add before |
| 03:08.50 | enouf | <enouf> [22:42:42] <enouf> Firestarter: add defaults as an option prior to errors=remount-ro |
| 03:09.29 | enouf | Firestarter: defaults,errors=remount-ro |
| 03:10.14 | Firestarter | enouf: of didn't know I could have both on the same line |
| 03:10.20 | enouf | Firestarter: show me output of 'tune2fs -l /dev/hda1' pastebin |
| 03:10.49 | enouf | Firestarter: you can - i suggest you get intimate with man mount ;-) |
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| 03:11.27 | E3b | there is any way to forward msg on pidgin to SMS (using ICQ sms sender)? it's working in SIM-ICQ |
| 03:11.33 | not_root_ | any mplayer users? i'm wondering if it's possible to start playing a streaming file at an offset a few minutes into the media? |
| 03:12.08 | Guerin | not_root_: depends if the stream is seekable. Might be easiest to dump the streamfile out to disk in a useful format and then seek to it |
| 03:12.18 | Guerin | (since most streams aren't seekable) |
| 03:12.22 | bjk | not_root_, -ss? |
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| 03:14.21 | Firestarter | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1417963 it sayes filesystem not clean. Maybe the scan did not work at reboot. I walked away. |
| 03:14.22 | not_root_ | how does ss work? |
| 03:14.44 | Guerin | not_root_: -ss xx:yy |
| 03:14.51 | Guerin | being a timestamp[ |
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| 03:16.41 | Firestarter | enouf: did touch /focefsck shutdown -rF now but I messed up with the hda1 and hda2 lines commented out in fstab. |
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| 03:18.00 | Firestarter | brb |
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| 03:22.00 | enouf | not smart you troll |
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| 03:28.07 | mick_home | anyone know if those digital keychain things work w/ linux? |
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| 03:29.15 | mick_home | it says on the box "PC only" which i know is utter crap to begin with -- just wanted to know if it just mounts as a regular vfat image where i just cp the files or if something spiffy is needed (like a proprietary app) |
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| 03:29.49 | mick_home | i don't want to open it -- since it is a gift, but at the same time i'd like to know if it will work tomorrow |
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| 03:30.43 | mick_home | i looked up the model: digital decor keychain |
| 03:31.15 | mick_home | nothing online regarding if it works on linux though |
| 03:33.04 | mustu | i had the beta version on DVD but while installation it retrieved all the files from Internet and took many hours. Now i want to confirm is it Stable that I've installed. |
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| 03:35.02 | mick_home | mustu: look in /etc/debian_version |
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| 03:36.21 | Firestarter | enouf: I don't know if this is anything but at shutdown I was able to notice something like this unmount / busy failed |
| 03:37.14 | mick_home | Firestarter: check what is accessing the device w/ fuser |
| 03:37.27 | mick_home | then stop or just kill that process |
| 03:37.40 | enouf | Firestarter: nobody even mentioned commenting out or removing your / FS and swap entries from /etc/fstab - so why did you |
| 03:38.14 | Firestarter | It was a misteak I thought someone did |
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| 03:38.15 | enouf | Firestarter: nobody even mentioned to try and do BOTH touch /forcefsck AND shutdown -rF now |
| 03:38.24 | enouf | Firestarter: so why did you |
| 03:38.38 | edju | i'm not getting any debian lists mail. i do get personal mail delivered, though. i resubscribed, but did not get any confirmation mails. it's not a kmail problem - the isp web interface is also empty of debian mail. any help appreciated. |
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| 03:39.16 | enouf | likes his miss-steaks done medium-rare :-) |
| 03:39.39 | mordy_ | and headless? |
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| 03:39.55 | mordy_ | and shrinkwrapped? |
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| 03:41.11 | mustu | mick_home: it's 5.0.1 |
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| 03:43.13 | PingFloyd | anybody have any luck getting xcdroast 0.98+0alpha16-1 working? |
| 03:44.20 | kronic | anyone ran into a bug with gvfs-backend? Eg. abiword, evince opening over samba |
| 03:44.35 | PingFloyd | at first is was stopping complaining about no /usr/bin/cdrecord. Ok, so I install the cdrecord dummy package now it saying Failed to access cdrecord. Please check the permissions and ownership of /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 03:44.45 | kronic | found one reported in 2008, no fix yet? |
| 03:44.48 | PingFloyd | which is a symlink that the cdrecord dummy package makes |
| 03:46.01 | enouf | snapper |
| 03:46.18 | enouf | oh .. sorry PingFloyd .. not you |
| 03:46.52 | enouf | PingFloyd: it's all wodim now in debian - cdrecord is long gone |
| 03:46.59 | PingFloyd | enouf: I know |
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| 03:47.33 | PingFloyd | enouf: originally xcdroast depended on cdrecord, but it now depends on wodim |
| 03:47.49 | PingFloyd | enouf: there's a dummy pkg called cdrecord that is supposed to help with the transition |
| 03:48.14 | PingFloyd | enouf: it puts the symlink for /usr/bin/cdrecord -> wodim |
| 03:48.50 | enouf | PingFloyd: hrm .. one sev |
| 03:48.53 | PingFloyd | the dummy pkg fixed the issue about it not finding /usr/bin/cdrecord, but now it is complaining about its perms |
| 03:48.54 | enouf | sec* |
| 03:49.50 | enouf | PingFloyd: http://rafb.net/p/12db0r95.html |
| 03:50.29 | enouf | \~$ ll `which wodim` |
| 03:50.29 | enouf | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 350816 2007-05-06 11:36 /usr/bin/wodim |
| 03:50.50 | PingFloyd | enouf: I have wodim installed |
| 03:50.54 | enouf | ~$ groups |
| 03:50.55 | enouf | stompthebozo adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev saned powerdev |
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| 03:51.22 | PingFloyd | enouf: it is a bug, but was wondering if anyone found a workaround until they fix it |
| 03:51.32 | enouf | what bug??/ |
| 03:51.37 | PingFloyd | enouf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=xcdroast |
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| 03:51.52 | enouf | PingFloyd: "but now it is complaining about its perms" doesn't mean much |
| 03:52.16 | enouf | PingFloyd: fuck xcdroastedKFCshit |
| 03:52.28 | enouf | use growisofs and wodim |
| 03:52.35 | PingFloyd | enouf: it's not for me |
| 03:52.46 | PingFloyd | enouf: I'd just assume use them from the command line |
| 03:52.50 | enouf | so, find a working variant |
| 03:53.06 | enouf | like mybashburn |
| 03:53.12 | enouf | or someshit |
| 03:53.26 | PingFloyd | enouf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=517411 |
| 03:53.26 | enouf | for the losers that are redmond clowns |
| 03:53.37 | enouf | i don't care |
| 03:53.49 | enouf | about stupid bugs with GUIs - sorry |
| 03:54.35 | enouf | GUIs have are a WHOLE other world of many cans of wormsa |
| 03:54.44 | enouf | fuck that bullshit |
| 03:55.08 | enouf | Optical media on the whole sucks ass anywat |
| 03:55.17 | enouf | use an iPod and HDDs |
| 03:55.36 | mustu | I've a LVM that debian couldn't mount. |
| 03:56.25 | Rusty1 | mustu: and lvm2 is installed? |
| 03:57.02 | mustu | actually that LVM holds Fedora 10. Why Debian installation didn't detected and list that in GRUB? |
| 03:57.21 | enouf | PingFloyd: recently - a recent known good version of "mplayer" could not even PLAY A CD without skipping and -cache settings and shit - and i'm pumping the shit through 150w per channel - and to have it intermittently pause and skjip? GRAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 03:57.26 | mustu | Rusty1: no lvm2 isn't installed |
| 03:57.48 | enouf | PingFloyd: do you really think i'm going to trust a POS like that? |
| 03:58.03 | enouf | that can't even play CDDA |
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| 03:59.41 | mustu | i've installed LVM . Do i need a reboot to automatically mount that LVM? How I can boot into Fedora10 in that LVM? |
| 04:00.52 | enouf | mustu: fedora has a headstart on devicemapper over debian' |
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| 04:02.39 | mustu | enouf: what does it mean? |
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| 04:03.12 | enouf | mustu: it means; we do things differently |
| 04:04.25 | enouf | mustu: including everything you might know about required /boot on non-LVM and/or initrd |
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| 04:04.52 | enouf | grub2 supposedly can resolve those issues mustu |
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| 04:09.05 | mustu | enouf: I've replaced grub with grub2. |
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| 04:10.48 | mustu | why don't we have firefox in our repo. |
| 04:11.14 | Rusty1 | !iceweasel |
| 04:11.15 | dpkg | i heard iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian from Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox-fork which is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). Ask me about <why iceweasel> <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. |
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| 04:13.08 | \amethyst | mustu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel |
| 04:13.59 | maiek | I love the name ;) |
| 04:14.15 | mordy_ | mustu: the short version is that mozilla didn't like that debian patched their broswer without their approval so they asked that debian not use their logo |
| 04:14.41 | teraflops | What did they patch? |
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| 04:14.54 | mordy_ | small bug fixes etc. |
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| 04:15.15 | kizzo | How can you tell which version of Debian you are running? (stable, testing, unstable) |
| 04:15.26 | kizzo | /etc/debian doesn't tell you that. |
| 04:15.27 | mordy_ | but mozilla wanted it to be submitted to the mozilla folks first, and apparently that took a lot of time for mozilla to do |
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| 04:15.49 | mordy_ | i read that entire thread once :P |
| 04:15.51 | kizzo | Err, /etc/debian_version . |
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| 04:16.10 | condate | kizzo: what does /etc/debian_version tell you? |
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| 04:16.24 | kizzo | codate: 5.0.1 |
| 04:16.31 | kizzo | Woops on your name. |
| 04:16.32 | condate | sounds like lenny |
| 04:16.40 | maiek | yep |
| 04:16.52 | mordy_ | 5.0 |
| 04:16.57 | mordy_ | ohh.. is that old? |
| 04:17.01 | condate | no thats stable |
| 04:17.04 | kizzo | Wow the versioning is weird - I need to read up on that. |
| 04:17.10 | maiek | yeah it's current stable |
| 04:17.10 | mordy_ | but it's not .1 |
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| 04:17.40 | mordy_ | 5 is the fifth release of debian; i think potato, woody, sarge, etch, and lenny |
| 04:17.41 | condate | kizzo: http://debian.org/News/2009/20090411 |
| 04:18.14 | mordy_ | and the .1 is probably some minor bug fixes and security patches |
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| 04:19.13 | condate | yep, think of it as a 'service pack' *runs* |
| 04:19.17 | mordy_ | lol |
| 04:20.39 | mordy_ | debian has a nice sane versioning system |
| 04:20.54 | maiek | yeah, they need to skip a few numbers to catch up to slackware ;) |
| 04:20.58 | mordy_ | lol |
| 04:20.59 | condate | :) |
| 04:21.09 | mordy_ | squeeze will be 13.5 |
| 04:21.17 | condate | i think only slackware's ever done something that crazy |
| 04:21.27 | mordy_ | from 3-7? but why? |
| 04:21.33 | maiek | redhat |
| 04:21.39 | maiek | can't let them get ahead |
| 04:21.42 | mordy_ | lol |
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| 04:21.47 | condate | yeah.. disturbingly that was the reason i believe |
| 04:21.51 | mordy_ | was redhat competition to slackware? |
| 04:21.53 | maiek | not to mention windows 95, that was a jump ;) |
| 04:21.57 | mordy_ | or vice versa? |
| 04:22.05 | krisfremen | from 3.1 to 95 |
| 04:22.09 | mordy_ | lol |
| 04:22.13 | maiek | yeah, bunch of cheaters |
| 04:22.16 | krisfremen | like they got a fever |
| 04:22.31 | mordy_ | i always thought slackware had a niche 'market' |
| 04:22.32 | krisfremen | and their brain overheated and they got retarted xD |
| 04:22.34 | condate | http://www.slackware.com/faq/do_faq.php?faq=general#0 |
| 04:22.39 | mordy_ | i mean no package manager |
| 04:22.54 | condate | 'when will you upgrade to Linux 6.0' haha |
| 04:23.31 | condate | distro peer pressure |
| 04:23.37 | mordy_ | Sorry if I haven't been enough of a purist about this. I promise I won't inflate the version number again (unless everyone else does again ;) |
| 04:23.54 | condate | yeah seems to miss the point! |
| 04:24.28 | maiek | might just be me, but 2.x gives me the impression of stability more than 11.x |
| 04:24.41 | condate | 9.04? |
| 04:24.43 | condate | :) |
| 04:25.01 | maiek | maxes out around 4, then they should switch numbering systems |
| 04:25.14 | maiek | maybe go with a video card numbering system |
| 04:25.18 | mordy_ | jerking jackoff? |
| 04:25.24 | maiek | debian x2-4700 II |
| 04:25.30 | mordy_ | ROTFL |
| 04:25.32 | maiek | yeah, that'd do /ducks |
| 04:25.55 | mordy_ | maiek: debian has the edge with the slash though |
| 04:26.03 | mordy_ | GNU/Linux makes it sound more sophisticated |
| 04:26.10 | mordy_ | it's not just Linux! It's GNU/Linux |
| 04:26.23 | teraflops | I like all the projects that asymptotically approach version 1.0. |
| 04:26.33 | mordy_ | lol |
| 04:26.48 | mordy_ | yeah i never got that |
| 04:26.54 | mordy_ | i guess because it's always 'beta'? |
| 04:27.25 | \amethyst | TeX's version approaches pi, adding one digit with each new version |
| 04:27.32 | mordy_ | lol |
| 04:27.34 | teraflops | lol |
| 04:28.01 | \amethyst | when Donald Knuth dies, the version will become exactly pi and any remaining bugs will be declared features |
| 04:28.07 | mordy_ | why doesnn't debian have a penguin in its framebuffer as adefault? :( |
| 04:28.13 | mordy_ | lol |
| 04:28.43 | mordy_ | i wish debian would use the penguin more. it's one of the main problems i have wiht it |
| 04:28.52 | mordy_ | great distro, but no penguin! |
| 04:29.28 | teraflops | I was disappointed when FreeBSD stopped using beastie. |
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| 04:29.44 | mordy_ | why did they stop? |
| 04:30.01 | teraflops | I think they wanted to make it look more professional. |
| 04:30.02 | mordy_ | meh i guess it's more appealing to 'enterprise' not to use cute fuzzy penguins or chubby daemons |
| 04:30.09 | teraflops | Right. |
| 04:30.10 | \amethyst | teraflops: he's right there at the top of freebsd.org ? |
| 04:30.22 | mordy_ | :( |
| 04:30.24 | teraflops | It's a stylized one now I think. |
| 04:30.46 | mordy_ | oh the one that looks like a balloon? |
| 04:30.48 | mordy_ | meh |
| 04:30.51 | \amethyst | there's the stylized one in the page header, and the cartoon in the top middle of the page |
| 04:30.58 | \amethyst | next to "Get FreeBSD Now" |
| 04:31.33 | \amethyst | he's still the mascot, just not the logo |
| 04:32.05 | teraflops | At least they kept him as the mascot. |
| 04:32.08 | teraflops | That's good. |
| 04:32.25 | mordy_ | i wonder if there's a way i can get the penguin framebuffer without recompiling |
| 04:32.41 | mordy_ | i guess just get the standard vga16fb source and then the image? |
| 04:33.54 | \amethyst | teraflops: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-announce/2005-February/000981.html explains the reasoning (not unique to freebsd, no standard logotype based on beastie, and he doesn't work well scaled or with low color depth) |
| 04:34.18 | mordy_ | bleh |
| 04:34.24 | mordy_ | BS |
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| 04:36.44 | condate | http://www.slightlywarped.com/crapfactory/curiosities/cakefailure.htm |
| 04:37.39 | \amethyst | condate: seem to be all ripped from the 'cake wrecks' blog |
| 04:38.05 | condate | ah, haven't seen it :) |
| 04:38.10 | teraflops | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.15 | teraflops | I like the flash drive one. |
| 04:38.35 | mordy_ | me to |
| 04:38.36 | mordy_ | o |
| 04:38.37 | mordy_ | lol |
| 04:38.40 | Firestarter | enouf: loggeg all users out except root then ran fuser -k / then reboot and system rebooted fine logged in as a user in kde reboot from kde and it worked fine there too. Maybe a file stuck somewhere? |
| 04:39.19 | Firestarter | fuser fixed it posibly |
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| 04:45.55 | AngryBananas | moo. |
| 04:46.05 | Firestarter | mooo. |
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| 04:52.09 | mustu | I've downloaded a .deb file. How do i install it? |
| 04:52.17 | mordy_ | dpkg -i |
| 04:52.18 | dpkg | mordy_: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 04:52.24 | mordy_ | grrr |
| 04:52.27 | mustu | Gnome opens it in Archive manager |
| 04:52.39 | mordy_ | !pkill -9 dpkg |
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| 04:57.25 | Taram | hi I am new to Debian....I have a problem with iceweasel+flash player ....on the follwoing site I can't start the player to here the "prolog" ...there I only ready to install the "macromedia flash player" I did that....and it is not working.... http://www.wdr5.de/tore-der-welt.html |
| 04:57.38 | arvind_khadri | mustu, you would need gdebi then |
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| 04:58.23 | enouf | Firestarter: no idea wtf are you talking about? |
| 04:58.26 | Taram | flashplugin-nonfree and flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound are installed |
| 04:58.52 | Taram | also adobe-flashplugin - Adobe Flash Player plugin version 10 is installed |
| 04:59.35 | arvind_khadri | Taram, how did you install it ? |
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| 04:59.38 | Firestarter | enouf: someone here suggested using fuser to kill processes not getting killed at shutdown |
| 04:59.39 | Taram | can someone test the link above and check if he/she can play/hear the "prolog" |
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| 04:59.44 | Taram | apt-get |
| 05:00.02 | enouf | Firestarter: that's nice |
| 05:01.10 | arvind_khadri | Taram, works fine here :) well dont use the apt-get one :P , copy paste the .so |
| 05:01.22 | Taram | i didi it this way http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 05:02.00 | Firestarter | enouf: interesting but at least my problem is gone |
| 05:02.13 | arvind_khadri | Taram, read the troubleshooting at the bottom |
| 05:02.30 | enouf | Firestarter: because why? |
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| 05:03.28 | Firestarter | enouf: still confused as to what caused the problem maybe a stale lock file or something? |
| 05:03.46 | Taram | I did that arvind_khadri |
| 05:04.20 | arvind_khadri | Taram, its working here well.... you might have missed something... |
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| 05:06.39 | Taram | I am working on it more than 2h it is becaming frustrating |
| 05:06.43 | arvind_khadri | Taram, did you configure to use backports ??? |
| 05:06.52 | Taram | ? |
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| 05:06.58 | Taram | what you mean arvind_khadri |
| 05:07.10 | Taram | backports? |
| 05:07.22 | arvind_khadri | !tell Taram about backports |
| 05:07.41 | arvind_khadri | Taram, http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 05:08.43 | Taram | hm...my be your are right...I am using squeeze...so backports might help |
| 05:09.40 | arvind_khadri | Taram, oh, then you should see the squeeze section in the page :) |
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| 05:12.36 | flaccid | how can i get postfix to only log to its own /var/log/mail* logs and not syslog? |
| 05:12.47 | flaccid | i see /etc/rsyslog.conf but not sure what to do |
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| 05:20.12 | henhir | So I have the game Savage-XR which does not run now that I have a new System with 64 bit arch. I have i32 comp packages. Still does not start with error "Signal" |
| 05:23.01 | faffi | god kde 4.2 sucks |
| 05:23.08 | faffi | i feel like im in vista |
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| 05:25.35 | WormFood | faffi, but vista is all the rage now...everyone loves it, it is super fast, very stable , and light weight and not bloated at all....you should be happy if kde felt like vista |
| 05:26.23 | Taram | hm....I solved it arvind_khadri .... I did a lot of things copy *.so to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins etc..... finally I removed iceweasel ...also I removed iceweasel-gnomesupport ( I am using xfce)....then install iceweasel again...without gnome suppoer...abraladabra...it was working...hallelulia |
| 05:27.10 | arvind_khadri | Taram, cool , you made it :) |
| 05:27.48 | Taram | yes that was exhausting..but debian is great...by the way..are you from india |
| 05:27.56 | arvind_khadri | Taram, yes :) |
| 05:28.02 | Taram | oh great |
| 05:28.17 | arvind_khadri | faffi, kde4 was mainly meant to look like vista :P |
| 05:28.43 | Taram | I have a nice college from inda :) |
| 05:29.25 | faffi | arvind_khadri: is there a way i can drop back to 3.5 :/ |
| 05:29.32 | faffi | i miss my old desktop already |
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| 05:29.48 | nick_h[litage] | what might cause nullmailer to fail to send emails with this message?: Sending process crashed or was killed. |
| 05:30.15 | Taram | she is also using linux...I brought her to ubuntu .... :) that is good for newbies...but I am a newbie in debian...but I like it |
| 05:30.34 | arvind_khadri | faffi, i guess yes, meta-package kde is still version 3 i guess not , check it out |
| 05:30.44 | arvind_khadri | Taram, cool :) |
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| 05:32.16 | Taram | so I go to bed arvind_khadri...here in canada it is 23h ....n8 |
| 05:32.31 | Taram | thanks for your help arvind_khadri....have a nice day |
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| 05:33.53 | arvind_khadri | Taram, :P wrong channel |
| 05:34.03 | arvind_khadri | Taram, night :) |
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| 05:39.36 | shingouz | where does dpkg put the pre-config and config files when it is installing a new package? i need to hack one to make the damn package install |
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| 05:40.06 | dmoerner | shingouz: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 05:40.16 | mustu | How can i install a virtual machine in Debian 5. I don't have the hardware virtualization support |
| 05:40.54 | shingouz | dmoerner: thanks, man :) |
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| 05:44.18 | adb | mustu: apt-cache search virtualbox |
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| 05:52.25 | brianski | sorry if this is a bit off topic, but is there an easy way to change a couple of files on an iso? the iso is bootable, and i don't want to mess with that, i just want to replace a few of the files in the doc/ directory ... any ideas? |
| 05:52.55 | mustu | debian used 1.5 gig of my RAM.. is it usual? |
| 05:53.14 | adb | brianski: http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=iso+remaster |
| 05:53.34 | brianski | ah ha! remaster was the magic word i was missing. thanks adb |
| 05:53.38 | mustu | How can i perform memory optimization to free un-used RAM |
| 05:53.45 | adb | mustu: its only "reserved" |
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| 05:54.41 | mustu | adb: means? |
| 05:54.41 | FrankQC | Does anyone know about the Hurd kernel that Debian is going to implement? |
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| 05:55.38 | adb | FrankQC: ask in hurd lm (mailing list) ? |
| 05:55.53 | FrankQC | abd: It's supposed to place the unix/linux kernel |
| 05:55.56 | brianski | are people actually still working on hurd? |
| 05:56.00 | FrankQC | Yea |
| 05:56.09 | FrankQC | I just checked the Debian website |
| 05:56.17 | FrankQC | And I'm wondering |
| 05:56.23 | FrankQC | If Debian is now known as Debian GNU/Hurd |
| 05:56.27 | FrankQC | Does that mean it won't be 'linux' |
| 05:56.31 | brianski | FrankQC: no |
| 05:56.55 | FrankQC | brianski: then what does it all mean? |
| 05:56.58 | brianski | it uses the linux kernel (in 99.9% of cases) and you don't need to worry about more than that |
| 05:57.09 | brianski | naming is a contentious issue |
| 05:57.20 | Doctor_Nick | how do i make irssi automatically split a line when it reaches irc's line char limit |
| 05:57.44 | adb | mustu: it is "reserved " for later use to increase the accessibility |
| 05:57.58 | FrankQC | brianski: Is it going to be better? |
| 05:58.02 | brianski | basically richard stallman wrote all the stuff but the kernel, and he (the head of the GNU project) wants everyone to call "linux" as "GNU/linux". he's technically correct, but he's kind of an ass to make such a big deal of it. but like i said, it's contentious so i won't offer any more opinion than that |
| 05:58.16 | brianski | has a feeling he's being trolled |
| 05:58.16 | hoxu | Doctor_Nick, splitlong.pl from scripts.irssi.org |
| 05:58.28 | Doctor_Nick | awesmoe |
| 05:58.37 | Doctor_Nick | tanks |
| 05:58.51 | mustu | adb: will OS give it to programs when needed? |
| 05:59.18 | adb | i guess so |
| 05:59.33 | FrankQC | Gah |
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| 06:00.43 | FrankQC | So what's the actual point of Hurd? |
| 06:01.35 | brianski | FrankQC: its a microkernel. microkernels seem like a good idea, but haven't caught on (yet) |
| 06:02.20 | FrankQC | microkernel? sry I'm sorta new to this lingo haha |
| 06:02.28 | brianski | FrankQC: wikipedia it |
| 06:02.31 | FrankQC | fine |
| 06:02.34 | brianski | it's a neat idea, but its a long way off |
| 06:03.56 | FrankQC | oh |
| 06:03.58 | FrankQC | So if I get it right |
| 06:04.06 | FrankQC | Hurd is going to work with a microkernel |
| 06:04.10 | FrankQC | But Linux will be the main kernel still |
| 06:04.26 | brianski | FrankQC: debian gnu/hurd has been underway for years |
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| 06:04.41 | FrankQC | mm |
| 06:04.44 | Dassu | Hmmm |
| 06:04.47 | brianski | if it gets better than linux, it will replace it, but there is more than a little doubt as to whether that will ever happen. |
| 06:05.01 | brianski | FrankQC: see also the debian kfreebsd ports, which use a freebsd kernel |
| 06:05.28 | FrankQC | Do you think if the Hurd is better than Linux, many distributions will switch to Hurd |
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| 06:05.49 | CrytoMole | hi all |
| 06:06.23 | brianski | frankqc - i don't think hurd will ever catch up to linux, but if you want to talk about it more, you should probably ask in #hurd |
| 06:06.31 | CrytoMole | how do I watch a dvd |
| 06:06.39 | CrytoMole | deb etch |
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| 06:06.57 | brianski | CrytoMole: just sit back and focus your gave on the monitor ;-) |
| 06:07.08 | CrytoMole | nope |
| 06:07.20 | CrytoMole | the dvd wont come up |
| 06:07.31 | CrytoMole | 2 days now |
| 06:07.56 | CrytoMole | so im here asking |
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| 06:08.37 | CrytoMole | i read somewhere that dvd movies are disabled by default |
| 06:08.51 | liable | !libdvdcss |
| 06:08.52 | dpkg | well, libdvdcss2 is a free software library for unscrambling CSS-encrypted DVDs which is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To get it, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian or ask me about <debian-multimedia.org> or <debian-unofficial>. |
| 06:09.07 | CrytoMole | i have that |
| 06:09.17 | CrytoMole | next |
| 06:09.27 | CrytoMole | im asking |
| 06:09.30 | CrytoMole | next |
| 06:09.47 | mustu | I asked the installer to auto partition my 15GB free space and it took 5GB for / and other for home and swap. Now I've only 500MB free on / . was my partitioning scheme wrong? |
| 06:10.19 | liable | mustu: run aptitude clean |
| 06:10.33 | liable | CrytoMole: what player are you using, and what does it do? |
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| 06:16.47 | mustu | i need some help in selecting module for my kernel. Virtual box asking to install virtualbox-ose-modules for my kernel. |
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| 06:17.11 | hatter_au | do i need to rebuild the kernel for a boot splash to work in lenny ? |
| 06:17.11 | liable | mustu: i think thats a seerate package |
| 06:17.14 | mustu | apt-cache search virtualbox-ose-modules gives many kernel modules. wondering which one I should install |
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| 06:17.28 | liable | mustu: the one for your running kernel |
| 06:17.41 | adb | mustu: uname -r |
| 06:18.01 | mustu | m running 2.6.24-1-686 . |
| 06:18.16 | geeree | Hello ... I'm having trouble using IceDove on Lenny. I lose messages while transfering from remote to local folders. Could somebody help? |
| 06:18.18 | mustu | the list have only 2.6.26 or simple 2.6 |
| 06:18.39 | liable | mustu: then you need to upgrade your kernel, or get them from snapshot.debian.net |
| 06:19.11 | mustu | liable: I updated my system. shouldn't it install if its available? |
| 06:19.38 | liable | mustu: depends if you have the kernel meta-package installed (linux-image-2.6-686) |
| 06:19.38 | mustu | liable: I just installed it last night and it downloaded all the packages from the Internet. |
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| 06:20.00 | liable | mustu: uh, are you running lenny? |
| 06:20.31 | liable | if you installed last night, you shouldnt have a 2.6.24 kernel |
| 06:20.41 | adb | mustu: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:20.47 | mustu | yes! i have the DVD came with Linux Magazine with Beta edition. But it took 4 hours to download all the pckgs then installed them. I though I have the stable version now |
| 06:20.58 | liable | ah right |
| 06:21.09 | streuner | judd, versions libc6 |
| 06:21.09 | judd | streuner: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-4 sid: 2.9-12 |
| 06:21.33 | mustu | adb: it's 5.0.1 |
| 06:21.47 | liable | mustu: install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 06:22.51 | mustu | liable: I think it just got installed with Virtual Box... I saw it in packages while downlaoding... |
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| 06:23.17 | liable | mustu: you will need to reboot into the 2.5.26 kernel |
| 06:23.31 | liable | er, 2.6.26 |
| 06:23.44 | mustu | hmm.. yes i didn't rebooted my system after installing Virtual box |
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| 06:23.56 | mustu | ok let me do |
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| 06:36.55 | mustu | How to install through apt? |
| 06:37.44 | adb | apt-get install packname |
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| 06:39.38 | hatter_au | how do i change how often a fsck happens on a disk ? |
| 06:40.09 | adb | mustu: but first do a "apt-get update" , if not done yet |
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| 06:42.31 | cahoot | hatter_au: man tune2fs |
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| 06:55.08 | mustu | I am trying to install a .deb using Gdeb but it vanishes n no output |
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| 06:56.34 | valdyn | mustu: check dmesg, you would see that if it crashed probably |
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| 06:59.38 | mustu | valdyn: no msg in dmesg. i tried to re run . but nothing in dmesg |
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| 07:13.33 | mustu | I've mounted my ntfs partition in /media/University. But normal users can't use that dir. Giving chmod 777 only allows to open the parent dir. files n folders in that dir r still locked |
| 07:14.20 | mustu | dir has 700 permissions by defualt |
| 07:14.43 | mustu | How to make the whole dir n it's contents available to all users? |
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| 07:17.02 | aspect | mount -o mode=0755 ... |
| 07:18.39 | mustu | aspect: how i can make it happen in fstab ? |
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| 07:19.53 | susbwoy | Hi. I recently downloaded Debian 5.0 live (kde) cd, boots up fine, everything's awesome. However just curious to know if it is possible to install the distro from this CD? Was expecting an option on the desktop. |
| 07:19.59 | aspect | the fourth column in fstab is mount options, you can put mode=0755 in there. Use a comma to seperate multiple options |
| 07:20.11 | aspect | (see "man mount" and "man fstab" for more) |
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| 07:32.49 | sky_1 | Hi anyone can help mw with installing nvidia graphic cards (8600 GT) on Debian Squeeze ? |
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| 07:33.19 | yang | !nvidia |
| 07:33.20 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 07:34.23 | sky_1 | hmmm |
| 07:37.27 | sky_1 | can you explain me this command ? -> m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source |
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| 07:38.15 | valdyn | sky_1: man module-assistant |
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| 07:41.34 | nsadmin | sky_1: the answer is yes, he can explain it... but the manual page exists so he doesn't have to. |
| 07:42.01 | sky_1 | i m trying ... |
| 07:42.30 | nsadmin | just page down till you see the auto-install subcommand and see what it says |
| 07:43.42 | nsadmin | while it would be a good thing to read the whole man page (and you should, probably soonish), you don't have to now unless you don't understand m-a at all |
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| 07:46.13 | sky_1 | i hope i will install it correctly :) |
| 07:46.19 | nsadmin | bottom line: I'm glad you're curious |
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| 08:02.33 | sminter | if i had 3 files, each with list and i wanted those lists merged line for line, what would be a good command to run? For example if file1 had a list of letters a-z, file2 a list of number 1-26, and file3 a list of 26 fruits and I wanted them all in one file that looked file1+file2+file and listed something like a+1+apple, or "a1apple" |
| 08:04.01 | sminter | i rember a command that could do this.. |
| 08:04.04 | sminter | paste? |
| 08:05.46 | NiLon | cat foo bar baz > newfile |
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| 08:11.27 | spud_ | hello, if i type "locale -a", i got: "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory" and i have listed as locales, just C and POSIX |
| 08:11.49 | brianski | spud_: locale-gen |
| 08:12.19 | spud_ | already did, it says generation complete. |
| 08:12.32 | spud_ | i believe something went wrong passign from etch to lenny |
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| 08:12.36 | brianski | dpkg -l | grep locale |
| 08:12.36 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep locale |
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| 08:12.49 | brianski | then dpkg-reconfigure that sucker |
| 08:13.15 | brianski | i believe there was a switch from belocs-locales to locales or vice versa |
| 08:13.50 | spud_ | i have "liblocale-gettext-perl" and "locales" packages |
| 08:14.07 | brianski | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 08:15.15 | spud_ | it asks, which locales... selecting all of them is performance killing? |
| 08:15.27 | spud_ | or better to just use english utf8? |
| 08:15.33 | brianski | not reallyl, it'll just take a while to generate the first time |
| 08:15.41 | brianski | you probably just want en_US.UTF-8 |
| 08:15.43 | spud_ | ok.. so i choose all of them |
| 08:16.21 | brianski | having the fonts doesn't affect render of characters, in my experience, so i just usually select en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 08:21.53 | valdyn | spud_: instead of chosing all you can install the locales-all package |
| 08:22.10 | valdyn | spud_: mind, theres no point in chosing all, since you would most probably just use one |
| 08:23.12 | spud_ | oh... i already began the process of generating themm |
| 08:23.26 | spud_ | should i install anyway the locales-all package? |
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| 08:23.52 | mustu | interesting. If I mount the ntfs partition with -t ntfs then it's not read/write able by users. But it is if I use ntfs-3g !!! y it's this |
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| 08:24.10 | valdyn | mustu: because ntfs does not support writing |
| 08:24.28 | sky_1 | anyone can help me with installing KDE 4.2.2 or KDE 4.2.3 for squeeze ? |
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| 08:24.56 | sky_1 | yes i googled first but found only KDe4.1.X for lenny on backports |
| 08:25.00 | mustu | ah ha.... |
| 08:27.39 | spud_ | valdyn: i already began the process of generationg all the packages.. should i just install locales-all? or should i do something else? thanks you |
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| 08:32.03 | sky_1 | i heard that i can use sources from SID but dont know if its good way |
| 08:32.25 | mustu | Doesn't debian have the desktop animations? |
| 08:34.08 | fredfx | Hi, when i just logged in debian system, i've got "index.html index.html1 mounthost ..." in the list, but how can i get into my root drive ? There are not folders in my root directory, thx |
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| 08:35.43 | brianski | mustu: apt-get install compiz |
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| 08:36.16 | fredfx | is this the answer for me ? the above line? |
| 08:36.33 | brianski | fredfx: no |
| 08:36.54 | brianski | fredfx: it sounds like you are confused between / and /root . both are sometimes referred to as "the root directory" |
| 08:37.06 | brianski | /root is root's home directory. / is the top of the filesystem |
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| 08:38.50 | fredfx | yes, i'm new to debian, so how can i mount the hard drive which i wanna go ? |
| 08:39.16 | fredfx | i'm running debian by virtual box under XP actually |
| 08:39.19 | fredfx | i' |
| 08:39.41 | fredfx | i've set my D drive as a root directory, i think... |
| 08:39.56 | fredfx | i'm just trying to get into my D drive under debian |
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| 08:40.18 | brianski | fredfx: are you sure about that? last i checked virtualbox could only use drive images (virtual drives in files) |
| 08:40.36 | brianski | if you have two operating systems trying to access the same physical hardware, bad things WILL happen, which is why you can't. |
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| 08:41.09 | brianski | if you really want to share files from windows to linux, look into smbclient and such, but i can't help much there |
| 08:41.58 | sky_1 | none here use KDE4 ? x( |
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| 08:44.28 | Vallos | so why EGLIBC? |
| 08:44.39 | fredfx | no, i didn't install debian on my physical hardware, i've got a linux image and running it by virtualbox |
| 08:45.12 | fredfx | but when i just logged in, i've got nowhere |
| 08:45.50 | fredfx | i've no idea where i am, except a prompt like "fx@debian:~$" |
| 08:46.17 | Guerin | Vallos: RTFML |
| 08:46.19 | H2S04 | brianski, smbmount > smbclient |
| 08:46.28 | patrikf | fredfx: well, you're in /home/fx *inside the image*. where the image is stored depends on your virtualisation software |
| 08:46.33 | H2S04 | brianski, smbclient is useful for temporarily using things. |
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| 08:46.54 | patrikf | fredfx: it's nothing debian-specific, so this is the wrong channel for asking questions about your virtualisation software |
| 08:46.56 | Vallos | Guerin: its open for discussion. Not a sly attempt at comedy |
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| 08:47.52 | Vallos | I've been looking around and I just want to know what debian users think about the choice |
| 08:47.53 | Guerin | Vallos: we generally frown on invitations to flamebait in hashdweebian, but whatever :) |
| 08:48.23 | Guerin | Vallos: what do US voters think about the electoral college system? Answer: they don't. |
| 08:48.51 | brianski | Guerin: where are you from? |
| 08:49.00 | Guerin | brianski: Nyu Zillun |
| 08:49.02 | brianski | gonna play the part of offended american |
| 08:49.07 | Vallos | Guerin: I have and will always be a debian user, Its my only choice for a server, but yeah, electorial college, haha, for the fail |
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| 08:49.44 | Guerin | brianski: no reflection on American voters - it's just the nature of complex underlying technicalities that people don't give half a bad fuck about them, even when they're really really important |
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| 08:50.12 | Vallos | Politics, haha! |
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| 08:50.16 | Guerin | brianski: (and I'm a political scientist - it's an example which is ready to hand) |
| 08:50.21 | brianski | heh, i was involved in a brief pr campaign to abolish the electoral college |
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| 08:50.28 | maiek | politics is a science now? |
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| 08:50.33 | maiek | ducks |
| 08:50.37 | brianski | unfortunately after the 2004 election all the bitter partisan democrats left and took our momentum with us |
| 08:50.56 | Guerin | maiek: as the former minister of research science and technology here once told me, there's no politics in science and there's no science in politics |
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| 08:52.06 | Panarchy | hi |
| 08:52.14 | maiek | hello |
| 08:52.20 | Vallos | knowledge is power! |
| 08:52.21 | Panarchy | Any idea what locales are? |
| 08:52.22 | Panarchy | QUOTE; |
| 08:52.23 | Panarchy | This package includes documentation, examples, and locale files for the Debian X-Chat packages that are common for all architectures. |
| 08:52.33 | patrikf | Panarchy: you have been helped on OFTC. |
| 08:52.40 | Panarchy | thanks |
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| 08:52.54 | brianski | huh? |
| 08:53.20 | Guerin | stupid people are stupid |
| 08:53.22 | patrikf | brianski: he asked the same thing on the oftc irc network just before |
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| 08:55.43 | Vallos | hey, whos drinking tonight? I am! A little mix called The Orange Tattoo (Tattoo and Orange Soda) |
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| 08:56.58 | WormFood | Vallos, not me...I don't drink as long as I have hash |
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| 08:57.50 | Vallos | WormFood, ha, i see your play! You've won this round! |
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| 08:58.47 | WormFood | Vallos, I quit smoking weed, because I can't find it here....all I can find is hash ;D |
| 08:59.28 | brianski | that's how i started giving anal sex for pcp |
| 08:59.34 | Vallos | WormFood, I've never bought weed, but I've enjoyed the ganja from time to time |
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| 08:59.47 | Vallos | brainski: wait, what, haha |
| 09:00.32 | WormFood | Vallos, ever smoked hash before? |
| 09:00.51 | Vallos | WormFood: I have not, is there a difference? |
| 09:00.58 | mavhc | goddamn hippies |
| 09:01.09 | WormFood | I was wondering of you know how do you keep the corned beef lit? |
| 09:01.29 | WormFood | yeah, of course there is a difference |
| 09:01.55 | WormFood | hash is all the resin glands scraped off the buds |
| 09:02.00 | Vallos | WormFood: Shit, I only drink, Im wondering if Im missing something in life |
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| 09:02.23 | WormFood | I rarely drink if I can get weed (hash) |
| 09:02.34 | WormFood | I can function on weed...I can't do anything if I'm drunk |
| 09:02.38 | Vallos | brb....need more drank |
| 09:03.02 | WormFood | also, weed is less harmful that alcohol (not saying either one is good for you) |
| 09:03.11 | maiek | scolds everyone for cheating on the one true wonder drug, caffeine |
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| 09:03.25 | Chunky | gimmie dat java! |
| 09:03.38 | WormFood | I was addicted to caffeine |
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| 09:03.44 | maiek | was? |
| 09:03.46 | WormFood | I don't know, maybe I still am |
| 09:03.50 | maiek | that's better |
| 09:03.57 | Chunky | sips his coffee |
| 09:04.04 | WormFood | it took me about a week to kick the Mountain Dew habit |
| 09:04.23 | maiek | caffeine is not a 'habit', it's a way of life |
| 09:04.23 | WormFood | I mean...I didn't feel right for a week after quitting MD |
| 09:04.28 | maiek | guilt |
| 09:04.30 | susbwoy | caffeine? mountain dew? LOL |
| 09:04.31 | brianski | caffeine is overrated |
| 09:04.34 | WormFood | reality is for people who can't handle drugs |
| 09:04.38 | Chunky | mountain dew doesn't even have caffeine anymore |
| 09:04.49 | brianski | Chunky: say whawt |
| 09:04.50 | maiek | Chunky, depends on the country |
| 09:04.53 | WormFood | Chunky, maybe not in canuckistan |
| 09:04.55 | maiek | Canada it doesn't |
| 09:04.55 | Vallos | Caffeine pills have caffeine in them |
| 09:04.56 | Chunky | ah yeh |
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| 09:05.13 | WormFood | in canada, caffeine pills have no caffeine in them |
| 09:05.13 | maiek | they did have mountain dew energy here for a while that did though |
| 09:05.29 | maiek | WormFood, true, it's sad, my country has lost its way |
| 09:05.41 | WormFood | I don't know if the chinese mountain dew I get has caffeine in it or not |
| 09:05.59 | Vallos | Here in the states, they used to sell these caffeine pills called yellow jackets, those were hardcore, but I think some kids died on them |
| 09:06.00 | WormFood | do you guys get that chinese mountain dew? |
| 09:06.21 | susbwoy | the water system here has lots of caffeine and fluoride |
| 09:06.43 | Vallos | Wait, theres different kinds of mountain dew? |
| 09:06.48 | brianski | susbwoy: huh? where does the water system have caffeine |
| 09:06.54 | WormFood | I can buy american Mountain Dew, but it is over $1 (USD) for a 12 OZ can |
| 09:07.22 | Vallos | WormFood: for a can? wow, is that in canada? |
| 09:07.28 | WormFood | they just introduced MD to the local market this year |
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| 09:07.42 | WormFood | no Vallos, this is in China |
| 09:08.03 | Vallos | WormFood: Ah, thats different |
| 09:08.09 | WormFood | it is funny, you'd think the can would come from the west coast of the usa, but it comes from NYC |
| 09:08.17 | WormFood | and I'm on the east side of China |
| 09:08.34 | WormFood | but the Chinese MD tastes a little different from the american MD |
| 09:09.04 | Vallos | Thats what they say about kfc in the bahamas, i gotta check that out |
| 09:09.11 | WormFood | in fact, kinda funny....Right now I'm smoking my hash off an american MD can |
| 09:09.25 | WormFood | KFC tastes a little different (better) in China |
| 09:09.43 | WormFood | I think it is because the chicken is fresher...not frozen (maybe I'm wrong, just my thoughts) |
| 09:09.56 | Vallos | now i want chicken |
| 09:10.23 | WormFood | most of the small meat you eat here was killed less than 24 hours before you eat it (of course, depending on where you get it) |
| 09:10.45 | maiek | I think buying fried chicken at 3am gets you a darwin award nomination |
| 09:11.00 | WormFood | many times, when your order fish at the restaurant, they bring the live fish to your table for inspection before weighing it, and cooking it for you |
| 09:11.01 | Vallos | its 5am here |
| 09:11.11 | WormFood | it is 5 pm here |
| 09:11.15 | Vallos | ha |
| 09:11.32 | WormFood | Vallos, you must be on east coast of usa |
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| 09:11.37 | maiek | hmm, time zones, right |
| 09:11.39 | Vallos | Yup, i am |
| 09:11.43 | WormFood | technically, you are wrong Vallos, it is really 4am there, and your clock is an hour fast |
| 09:11.45 | brianski | or brasil |
| 09:11.55 | Vallos | daylight savings |
| 09:12.16 | WormFood | or gaylight "savings" time, as I like to call it |
| 09:12.23 | WormFood | china runs off one time zone |
| 09:12.27 | maiek | I've never lived anywhere that uses that |
| 09:12.30 | Vallos | golfers! totally lame |
| 09:12.39 | beardy | !gay |
| 09:12.40 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 09:12.44 | WormFood | and they don't do gaylight "savings" time either |
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| 09:12.58 | WormFood | drop it beardy, it is a pun |
| 09:13.19 | exn | Hello everybody ! Here is someone who knows kernel level of ppp ? |
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| 09:13.26 | beardy | Drop it? |
| 09:13.26 | wsxws | hi all |
| 09:13.50 | maiek | hello wsxws |
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| 09:16.15 | Vallos | remember, only you can prevent forest fires! Later everyone! |
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| 09:29.43 | Ricky_RocK | what is the command to gzip a directory and all dir and files in |
| 09:29.56 | Eulex | you cannot gzip a directory |
| 09:30.04 | Eulex | you can tar it and then gzip the tar tho |
| 09:30.12 | Ricky_RocK | ok then how |
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| 09:31.02 | Eulex | you can do both in a command by using the -z switch in tar(1) |
| 09:31.29 | Ricky_RocK | only tar i want |
| 09:31.36 | jelly-home | Ricky_RocK: tar cvzf archive-name.tar.gz directoryname [directoryname ...] |
| 09:31.37 | Eulex | see the EXAMPLES in man tar |
| 09:32.08 | Ricky_RocK | tar cvzf archive-name.tar.gz directoryname [/var/www/sites/] like this ? |
| 09:32.26 | micket | no [] |
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| 09:32.34 | micket | and no directoryname |
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| 09:32.47 | jelly-home | Ricky_RocK: replace "archive-name" and "directoryname" with actual values |
| 09:33.18 | micket | When the manual uses [something ...] it means 0 or more "something" can follow. |
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| 09:59.10 | foetus | morning, is it generally required, to set an 'exit 0' to the end of a normal ending bashscript, or could i omit this entry? |
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| 09:59.45 | tarzeau | if you don't whatever the last command returns is returned |
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| 10:00.05 | foetus | tarzeau: means? |
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| 10:01.48 | tarzeau | foetus: it's mostly fine |
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| 10:02.20 | foetus | tarzeau: so if the last command given ends, then the exit is given automatically, imho.. |
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| 10:02.40 | tarzeau | foetus: if the last command returns code 5, the script will end with that exit code |
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| 10:03.03 | zophy | happy mother's day, do something nice for your mother today and every other day too |
| 10:03.10 | foetus | tarzeau: but whats the real difference between exit and exit 0? |
| 10:03.17 | tarzeau | zophy: wrong channel |
| 10:03.24 | tarzeau | zophy: try #milf |
| 10:03.36 | zophy | already been there |
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| 10:04.06 | tarzeau | foetus: try man bash, then look for exit |
| 10:04.44 | foetus | tarzeau: ok, lets do it..thanks :) |
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| 10:18.04 | AussieGuy | is there a howto on how to set up a simple sendmail server, enough for my php scripts to send email, without leaving my server open to spammers? |
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| 10:18.46 | AussieGuy | I dont need anything for receiving, just sending |
| 10:19.19 | nkuttler | AussieGuy: why don't you use the default exim4? sendmail and simple.. |
| 10:19.50 | AussieGuy | so just install exim, and my machine wont be open to spammers? |
| 10:20.05 | liable | or ssmtp if you have an isp mail you can use as a relay |
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| 10:23.03 | killerboy | hello |
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| 10:23.28 | killerboy | is there any distro which doesn't use hal, dbus shit? |
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| 10:24.00 | killerboy | debian? |
| 10:24.03 | cahoot | rh-5? |
| 10:24.08 | killerboy | hmm |
| 10:24.13 | killerboy | it's sad :-( |
| 10:24.23 | Zharf | what's wrong with hal |
| 10:24.29 | nkuttler | AussieGuy: that depends on how you configure. listening only to local interfaces is a good start, as is a firewall, etc |
| 10:25.01 | killerboy | Zharf: for example on opensuse it sets acl's for X only |
| 10:25.13 | killerboy | configs are xml %-S |
| 10:25.30 | Zharf | and what's wrong with xml |
| 10:25.49 | killerboy | and what's wrong with newlines? |
| 10:26.02 | xingu | Zharf: you can't cut-through switch it. |
| 10:26.15 | killerboy | Zharf: parsing with bash for example |
| 10:26.30 | Zharf | why would you do such a silly thing |
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| 10:27.11 | killerboy | nevertheless, maybe you could help me and tell me how to configure hal to set correct acl not only when i'm in X, but also when i'm in terminal |
| 10:27.20 | killerboy | Zharf: because i want, lol |
| 10:27.33 | killerboy | Zharf: why you consider it silly? |
| 10:27.54 | killerboy | Zharf: ok, don't wanna talk about xml vs. newline... |
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| 10:28.08 | killerboy | how to configure hal? |
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| 10:29.03 | dmarkey | Invalidating snapshot: Unable to allocate exception, any way to recover from this? |
| 10:29.21 | retard | How can I install all .deb packages in a directory? dpkg -i ./* ? |
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| 10:29.51 | xingu | xml is awful for its intended purpose (passing messages) because you can't start forwarding until you've _processed_ the trailer AND as if that weren't a sin big enough you can't predict how far away the trailer is (how about a nice cup of infinite buffer depth?) |
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| 10:30.02 | nkuttler | killerboy: /usr/share/doc/hal/* is a good start |
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| 10:30.08 | xingu | whoever designed it should be taken out, beat up, and shot. |
| 10:30.26 | xingu | then forced to go enjoy the fruits of x.25 for a decade |
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| 10:30.48 | killerboy | nkuttler: thanks |
| 10:31.04 | nkuttler | xingu: it's not like anybody is _forcing_ you to use it |
| 10:31.31 | retard | nvm, dpkg -i ./* works.. |
| 10:33.40 | AussieGuy | what exim4 config file has the part where you specify what interfaces to listen to? |
| 10:34.27 | petemc | you can configure that with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 10:35.09 | wsxws | what is exim4 ? |
| 10:35.41 | Spida | AussieGuy: local_interfaces = <; ::0.25 ; ::0.465 ; 0.0.0.0.25 ; 0.0.0.0.465 |
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| 10:36.38 | wsxws | i mean is there any reason to use exim4 instead of postfix ? |
| 10:36.49 | Spida | wsxws: flexibility. |
| 10:36.50 | petemc | they both work well |
| 10:37.43 | Spida | wsxws: postfix can't (or at least couldn't) use sieve-filters from a database when I tried to set that up some 3 years ago... |
| 10:39.02 | thrashold | If I want to utilize more CPUs while compiling a Debian package, what do I do? MAKEOPTS=-j5 debuild .... ? |
| 10:39.39 | killerboy | lol xml should be called "death while typing" |
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| 10:40.02 | killerboy | now looking on 20-acl-management.fdi |
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| 10:41.18 | wsxws | Spida dont you have a pop/imap-service ? |
| 10:41.30 | wsxws | i use the sieve of dovecot |
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| 10:41.49 | killerboy | hmm, even if i see config file still don't know what it means |
| 10:42.37 | killerboy | no device file names, donno how hal know what is what etc. that's why i think hal is shit |
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| 10:43.34 | killerboy | only documentation is some webpage |
| 10:45.19 | killerboy | is there any distro which is more unixlike this days? |
| 10:45.20 | aspect | killerboy, you're complaining in the wrong place. http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/hal should probably be your starting point |
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| 10:45.38 | killerboy | aspect: yes, sorry for that, i'm just angry and tired of it |
| 10:45.50 | aspect | maybe try netbsd |
| 10:45.56 | killerboy | aspect: thanks |
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| 10:46.23 | aspect | I sympathise with your frustration, but unfortunately venting here doesn't help :) |
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| 10:46.47 | killerboy | aspect: ok, thanks |
| 10:47.02 | killerboy | aspect: who created it? |
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| 10:47.13 | killerboy | hal, dbus and stuff? |
| 10:47.30 | Ahtenus | How do I mount my ntsf partition? When clicking it in nautilus it returns invalid mountflag. |
| 10:47.30 | killerboy | was it some company like rh? |
| 10:47.57 | diclev | Ahtenus, install ntfs-3g |
| 10:47.57 | killerboy | because it doesn't look like it was created by hacker |
| 10:48.35 | diclev | Ahtenus, mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/yourdev /mountpoint |
| 10:49.02 | liable | for an r500, is radeonhd or ati the correct driver these days? |
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| 10:49.16 | Ahtenus | diclev: Ok, I'll try |
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| 10:51.16 | ilaiho | are there any good screen calibration applications for linux that can be used without measurement devices? |
| 10:51.30 | ilaiho | like that one in apple's mac os x |
| 10:52.01 | aspect | killerboy, I'm tempted to comment but that would really just be uninformed venting on my part. My pet nemesis recently was bluez, which falls into the same category of things that _usually_ just work but when they don't they're a total pain to diagnose -- not like "the old days" at all .. but admittedly nice when they do Just Work |
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| 10:53.43 | aspect | killerboy, if you're after a command-line oriented debian derivative I've heard good things about http://grml.org |
| 10:53.54 | diclev | People. I have an application on my local machine. This app mustn't connect to some IP adresses, that is I wanna deny access to some IP's. Is it possible? For example, by iptables. |
| 10:53.56 | aspect | that's probably more constructive than suggesting you go to netbsd :) |
| 10:54.43 | killerboy | aspect: ;-) |
| 10:55.40 | killerboy | i miss old days, when all configs were in /etc, and when you wrote some simple file like X=Y, it worked. |
| 10:55.45 | retard | dpkg -i ./* doesn't install the dependency packages which are also in the same folder. :( |
| 10:55.46 | dpkg | removes a liver from retard and replaces it with ./* doesn't install the dependency packages which are also in the same folder. :( |
| 10:55.47 | aspect | diclev: see http://netfilter.org/ for documentation -- you'll want something like "iptables -A output -D host -j DROP" |
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| 10:56.51 | diclev | aspect, thnx, probably it'll help me |
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| 10:57.04 | aspect | killerboy: part of me agrees, another part is very pleased to have modern hardware often work out of the box, without having to recompile half my system |
| 10:57.17 | killerboy | Havoc Pennington - there is written that he's also debian developer, he wrote dbus and this influential article about hw detection |
| 10:57.31 | killerboy | aspect: yes, but it doesn;t have to be as complicated as it is now |
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| 10:57.38 | killerboy | and so much pain while debugging |
| 10:58.30 | retard | can someone help me with installing many debian packages using some command line utility like dpkg or dselect? |
| 10:58.31 | killerboy | like now, i have following problem with opensuse, hal sets correct acl for sound device when in X, but it removes it when in console, so alsamixer works in xterm, but doesn;t work in terminal. |
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| 10:58.50 | aspect | it works in a rather different conceptual framework from what we're used to. Given the amount of stuff it does, I hesitate to claim it's that bad until I've made a lot of effort to understand it (which I haven't) |
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| 10:59.11 | killerboy | maybe there is some method of configuring it, but it's so complicated :-( |
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| 11:00.12 | aspect | retard: maybe dpkg -R -i directory-containing-debs ? |
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| 11:00.22 | phrearch | hi |
| 11:00.27 | killerboy | at least knows whose to blame for that |
| 11:00.32 | retard | ok thanks, trying.. |
| 11:00.34 | phrearch | anyone knows where the bzip2 header files might be? |
| 11:00.53 | killerboy | phrearch: did you installed package with it? |
| 11:01.43 | aspect | phrearch: libbz2-dev would be my guess |
| 11:01.53 | phrearch | im trying to compile php 5.3, but it cant find bzip2 |
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| 11:02.12 | phrearch | aspect: thanks |
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| 11:05.06 | killerboy | aspect: and thing i ask often is why dbus isn't in kernel while SysVIPC is |
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| 11:06.23 | killerboy | or why hal isn't in kernel for example, if it's hardware abstraction layer, and according to definition kernel is exactly that |
| 11:06.42 | killerboy | it's sad all of this |
| 11:06.46 | killerboy | :-( |
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| 11:08.10 | retard | i think linus decides what goes into the kernel.. |
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| 11:08.11 | enouf | WormFood: if MD tastes different, likely using real sugar over HFCS, .. but KFC? .. must be the local cat :-P |
| 11:08.49 | enouf | killerboy: nah, hal is the crap that MPoop conjures up |
| 11:09.00 | WormFood | people don't eat a lot of cat here, but I like to eat a lot of pussy |
| 11:09.16 | rastafreund | -.- |
| 11:09.17 | enouf | killerboy: and dbus needs to get a grip and stop the bloat |
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| 11:10.08 | enouf | WormFood: then you're my kind of gal :-) |
| 11:10.31 | WormFood | gal? |
| 11:11.04 | killerboy | hmm, i wonder who decides about all of that. it seems that users actually like hal and dbus if they allow them to stay |
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| 11:11.51 | enouf | killerboy: no, dbus and hal are needed for people who enjoy big bloated behemoth desktop environments |
| 11:11.57 | killerboy | i wait when they disable VT's and there would be only X, like in windows or solaris |
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| 11:12.22 | Guerin | killerboy: `they'? |
| 11:12.29 | PyroPeter | i tryed to complile libasound-plugins from source with a52 enabled, but ./complile --enable-a52 outputs me "A52, lavc plugins: no" |
| 11:12.35 | killerboy | Guerin: people who create distros |
| 11:12.43 | Guerin | thinks someone misses the decentralised point of the free software community |
| 11:12.43 | enouf | killerboy: it's the only way to achieve the layering ... withtout rolling all that CRAP into a kernel, then exploding the kernel into 1500 DLLs |
| 11:12.53 | enouf | like Windows does |
| 11:13.36 | killerboy | enouf: hal is hardware abstraction layer, and kernel is also hardware abstraction layer, so it's one hardware abstraction layer over another |
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| 11:15.16 | killerboy | next thing is if we want microkernel or monolithic. if micro everything should be dynamic loaded library, if not message transport should be in kernel |
| 11:15.32 | killerboy | funny thing is that microkernel ARE message transporters only |
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| 11:15.54 | killerboy | so in linux it's reversed ;-) |
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| 11:16.12 | enouf | killerboy: fine - use Mac OSX and enjoy |
| 11:16.16 | killerboy | linux kernel should be over dbus ;- |
| 11:16.18 | killerboy | ;-) |
| 11:16.20 | rastafreund_ | ^^ |
| 11:16.22 | mrynit | if i dpkg -i some.deb with out install all the decencies the proram will not work. but if i install them will it work? |
| 11:16.43 | killerboy | enouf: not free software, cannot enjoy |
| 11:16.45 | retard | mrynit, yes.. |
| 11:16.59 | enouf | mrynit: s/decencies/dependencies/ and no |
| 11:17.01 | retard | mostly. |
| 11:17.04 | killerboy | they should do kernel over dbus ;-) |
| 11:17.09 | killerboy | haha |
| 11:17.09 | mrynit | kthx auto spell |
| 11:17.25 | enouf | mrynit: you need to perform a follow up; apt-get -f install or aptitude |
| 11:18.21 | killerboy | Guerin: of course you could fork, but you'll be alone for creating whole new distro |
| 11:18.44 | enouf | oh .. then yes, after installing the correct depends, it will work mrynit |
| 11:18.55 | mrynit | :/ |
| 11:19.09 | enouf | mrynit: i misread your initial gibberish |
| 11:19.15 | mrynit | ? |
| 11:19.35 | enouf | sticks a fork into something |
| 11:19.38 | mrynit | im on 20 hrs no sleep |
| 11:19.41 | mrynit | kthx |
| 11:19.51 | mrynit | i think i broke a finger. |
| 11:20.06 | enouf | that's ok - be thankful you didn't chop it off |
| 11:20.55 | enouf | and 'kthx' is like typing 'sth' ..quit that crap |
| 11:20.57 | mrynit | dude i cloud replace it with a prostetic and put a flash drive in it and install linux! |
| 11:21.06 | mrynit | k |
| 11:21.09 | mrynit | >.> |
| 11:21.32 | enouf | you could also wear a wrist watch instead of that 20 lb clock around your neck |
| 11:21.45 | mrynit | ? |
| 11:22.16 | enouf | s/prostetic/prosthesis or prosthetic IINM |
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| 11:22.34 | mrynit | i lol'd |
| 11:22.49 | enouf | pokes mrynit in the eye |
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| 11:22.59 | mrynit | slaps enouf around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:23.04 | killerboy | ok, thanks for your help |
| 11:23.11 | killerboy | and nice talk, bye |
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| 11:25.43 | mustu | i've installed Vbox from debian repo. Now want to install the latest .deb from Vbox site. Should i remove the old Vbox first? |
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| 11:26.36 | retard | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.39 | retard | oops |
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| 11:28.38 | mrynit | ugh |
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| 11:30.26 | PyroPeter | how do i install an a52 encoder? libasound-plugins pretends to include one, but the lib (libasound_module_pcm_a52.so) is not installed |
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| 11:31.06 | enouf | judd: find a52 |
| 11:31.06 | judd | enouf: Error: "find" is not a valid command. |
| 11:31.15 | enouf | !find a52 |
| 11:31.44 | PyroPeter | :-P |
| 11:31.59 | enouf | !search |
| 11:32.37 | PyroPeter | im shure it is libasound-plugins |
| 11:33.00 | PyroPeter | -h |
| 11:33.08 | retard | PyroPeter: if you debian package search content you might find it. |
| 11:33.11 | enouf | dpkg -L and see |
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| 11:34.05 | retard | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libasound_module_pcm_a52.so&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 11:34.23 | retard | libasound2-plugins? |
| 11:34.39 | PyroPeter | libasound2-plugins! |
| 11:38.13 | PyroPeter | but how to get apt to install this lib? |
| 11:38.58 | retard | apt-get install libasound2-plugins ? |
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| 11:40.14 | PyroPeter | but the lib "libasound_module_pcm_a52.so" misses |
| 11:41.14 | jaggy- | what monitors the usb devices? I think I might have killed a daemon or something -- now my printer is found (log/messages) but just as a usb device -- its print/scan/fax capabilities don't seem to otherwise exist: May 10 04:37:30 miral kernel: [3009450.868015] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 19 |
| 11:41.25 | jaggy- | I believe normally I get some more detailed lines of what else is recognized |
| 11:41.44 | PyroPeter | it is in the package, but is not extracted |
| 11:42.05 | jaggy- | I hope it's just a daemon I killed while operating the system, and not something I removed when trying to get virtualbox working with my scanner/printer (which it now does).. |
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| 11:44.43 | jaggy- | noone around eh.. okay.. guess I have to restart/re init |
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| 11:45.40 | mustu | Gdeb isn't working.. it vanishes when i click on install program... |
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| 11:45.54 | mustu | nothing in dmesg |
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| 11:46.37 | olspookishmagus | OK, who's gonna tell me what that's related to USB got broken? |
| 11:47.11 | enouf | PyroPeter: you appear to have a PATH or some config file issue |
| 11:47.48 | WormFood | olspookishmagus, can you repeat your question in english? |
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| 11:48.46 | olspookishmagus | WormFood: did something that's related to usb got recently broken - all of a sudden my debian-box won't co-operate at all with ANY USB device... |
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| 11:49.17 | henhir | Hi there, My user can not write to the hdd it appears to be all set up right (entry in the fstab seems ok user has read write permission to the device) It is ext3 formated |
| 11:49.18 | enouf | olspookishmagus: backtrack the steps you took to break it, and undo them |
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| 11:49.44 | enouf | henhir: your mount options are?? |
| 11:49.45 | olspookishmagus | say... there are *NO* /dev/sd* devices... |
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| 11:50.14 | retard | scsi mosd? |
| 11:50.18 | retard | mosd* |
| 11:50.21 | enouf | scsi_mod |
| 11:50.26 | henhir | enouf: /dev/sda4 /media/pool/ ext3 defaults,user,exec,rw 0 0 |
| 11:50.29 | WormFood | aren't /dev/* device nodes created dynamically? |
| 11:50.49 | enouf | henhir: defaults includes some of those, IIRC, man mount |
| 11:50.53 | WormFood | henhir, did you check the permissions on /media/pool/? |
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| 11:51.02 | enouf | henhir: is user in the plugdev group? |
| 11:51.26 | henhir | WormFood: Yes, they appear to be alright |
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| 11:51.40 | WormFood | olspookishmagus, I don't know, my usb has been working fine...what branch of debian? |
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| 11:52.30 | dumb_dumb | guys i`m new @ debian i wanna ask what version should i download for my server |
| 11:52.43 | enouf | dumb_dumb: /topic |
| 11:53.00 | Polarina | dumb_dumb: Debian Lenny. |
| 11:53.06 | retard | stable |
| 11:53.22 | dumb_dumb | is it the same with v.5.0 |
| 11:53.37 | Polarina | dumb_dumb: Yes. |
| 11:53.43 | dumb_dumb | ok thanks |
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| 11:56.34 | henhir | usermod mrx -a plugdev did not solve the problem. There appears to be no such group. |
| 11:56.37 | olspookishmagus | WormFood: testing |
| 11:56.38 | retard | PyroPeter, try dpkg -x libasound2-plugins and install the .so you want manually. |
| 11:56.40 | olspookishmagus | (mostly) |
| 11:57.11 | PyroPeter | retard: i did so, but alsa doesnt find it anyway |
| 11:57.42 | PyroPeter | http://pastebin.com/m75b621b4 |
| 11:58.39 | WormFood | testing is between unstable, and stable? |
| 11:59.07 | olspookishmagus | retard: scsi_mod loaded but still no /dev/sd* devices |
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| 11:59.45 | retard | PyroPeter, did you update the ldconfig system? http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html |
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| 12:00.07 | stuckey | Anyone know of any "how-to's" for MUTT? |
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| 12:01.38 | eshat | Hi all,... what is the sed command, to remove the first 5 letters, if string begins with 0-9 ? |
| 12:01.43 | PyroPeter | retard: no |
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| 12:02.22 | retard | olspookishmagus, usb storage mods? |
| 12:03.00 | retard | http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=sed+command%2C+to+remove+the+first+5+letters%2C |
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| 12:03.58 | PyroPeter | retard: i just executed ldconfig (no output) but the error is the same |
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| 12:06.17 | retard | http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:ZlUqeqF3uYAJ:ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-714712.html+debian+install+libasound_module_pcm_a52.so&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk |
| 12:06.37 | retard | google can fix lots of problems.. :D |
| 12:07.15 | PyroPeter | lol, that is the not-really-working how to i have used |
| 12:07.27 | retard | i see.. |
| 12:07.59 | PyroPeter | "make sure the output of configure indicates that a52 will be compiled." this line is a bin of a problem ... |
| 12:08.08 | PyroPeter | *bit |
| 12:08.10 | enouf | PyroPeter: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 says? |
| 12:08.30 | enouf | PyroPeter: cat /proc/version ; echo $PATH |
| 12:08.33 | PyroPeter | ii libc6 2.9-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 12:08.46 | enouf | judd: versions libc6 |
| 12:08.46 | judd | enouf: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-4 sid: 2.9-12 |
| 12:09.00 | enouf | way to go |
| 12:09.11 | PyroPeter | Linux version 2.6.26-1-amd64 (Debian 2.6.26-13lenny2) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 17:46:45 UTC 2009 |
| 12:09.11 | PyroPeter | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 12:09.56 | enouf | no /lib is in your PATH |
| 12:10.07 | enouf | usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/local/bin is mine |
| 12:10.19 | enouf | + more, but it's extraneous |
| 12:10.32 | PyroPeter | but alsa finds the other libs in the same directory |
| 12:10.42 | enouf | no it doesn't |
| 12:10.46 | enouf | which app? |
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| 12:11.15 | PyroPeter | alsa |
| 12:11.23 | enouf | and while you might be using a debian kernel, you're not using Debian with that libc6 |
| 12:11.46 | enouf | and your PATH is broken |
| 12:11.57 | enouf | alsa isn't an app |
| 12:12.00 | PyroPeter | ok, what should i do? |
| 12:12.08 | enouf | Install debian ;-) |
| 12:12.25 | PyroPeter | oh, very funny |
| 12:13.21 | _coredump_ | hi there, are there floppy images to setup lenny? |
| 12:13.36 | unixluser | is it hard to make a live-cd from a working debian installation? |
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| 12:16.49 | stuckey | Anyone here know how to use mutt? |
| 12:17.10 | enouf | PyroPeter: i'm actually mistaken about the PATH issue - my apologies for that - but ... |
| 12:17.12 | Qtronix | How can I install a specific version of a package? I need to install and use sox version 12.17.<something> but apt doesn't find any combination I try |
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| 12:18.00 | killerboy | hooray!!! |
| 12:18.10 | PyroPeter | enouf: its ok ;-) |
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| 12:18.48 | killerboy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeviceKit I didn't know about it. :-D I feel better now. |
| 12:19.00 | enouf | PyroPeter: and yes; in general, an application would look in /usr/local/ (for self-compiled and installed apps/bins/libs) prior to system PATH for any of those, which it should, i rearranged my PATH so /usr/local/ was last in PATH |
| 12:19.35 | enouf | (for reasons that matter not for your purposes) |
| 12:19.59 | enouf | PyroPeter: does "file /bin/ls" show 64bit ELF? |
| 12:20.19 | PyroPeter | yes |
| 12:20.38 | enouf | PyroPeter: and check your /etc/ld.so.conf{.d/}/* for correct /lib PATH |
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| 12:21.10 | enouf | PyroPeter: can you pastebin full output and error you get? |
| 12:21.22 | enouf | +command you ran |
| 12:21.36 | enouf | for the libasound thing |
| 12:21.41 | unixluser | hello i'm interested in http://packages.debian.org/unstable/ncmpcpp Can someone explain why i can't see it with apt update? |
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| 12:21.49 | unixluser | i'm using sid |
| 12:22.15 | Thms | is there a way to configure which program will open .avi, .mp3, and so on without having to right click on each type of file and select the program ? |
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| 12:22.34 | enouf | unixluser: apt-get update ; apt-cache show <pkgname> |
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| 12:23.00 | enouf | Thms: DEs are well known to be able to control that |
| 12:23.08 | Thms | what are DEs ? |
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| 12:23.27 | retard | *de |
| 12:23.29 | enouf | Thms: for many other things; update-alternatives --config ... sets default |
| 12:23.31 | unixluser | enouf: apt-cache search? neither shows ncmpcpp |
| 12:23.48 | enouf | !Desktop Env |
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| 12:24.00 | unixluser | any of you using sid? can you please confirm that ncmpcpp hit your repo? |
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| 12:24.15 | enouf | judd: info ncmpcpp |
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| 12:24.31 | enouf | unixluser: it's likely in contrib or non-free ? |
| 12:24.43 | dimbit | Hi all. Where can I moan about xmms being replaced with xmms2? Really annoying... |
| 12:24.48 | PyroPeter | /usr/local/lib /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu this are paths standing in /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 12:25.07 | Thms | okay thanks |
| 12:25.09 | dimbit | why can't xmms still be on the mirrors? |
| 12:25.11 | unixluser | enouf: dunno. both are included in my sources.list |
| 12:26.10 | enouf | unixluser: one moment |
| 12:26.23 | killerboy | bye |
| 12:26.25 | unixluser | enouf: well, the maintaners qa page has an excuse |
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| 12:26.39 | xing_ | how to replace the server-xorg-video-intel with xserver-xorg-video-i810? |
| 12:26.46 | unixluser | http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=ncmpcpp |
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| 12:27.35 | unixluser | oh wait, that excuse is only for testing |
| 12:28.26 | bluethundr | postfix starts without a problem.. but when I issue netstat -tnp I notice that it is not listening on any port let alone 25 |
| 12:29.24 | enouf | unixluser: after an update - apt-cache show nc... shows it |
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| 12:29.46 | retard | xing_, try modifying your xorg.conf and change device "intel" to "i810". |
| 12:29.46 | enouf | unixluser: i'm using sid |
| 12:29.48 | unixluser | hm, must be my local repo |
| 12:29.55 | unixluser | enouf: thanks for checking btw |
| 12:29.56 | enouf | unixluser: yes, try other mirrors |
| 12:30.54 | liable | wtf is google-gadgets, and why the hell did it just get installed.. |
| 12:30.58 | bluethundr | when I try to telnet this happens |
| 12:30.59 | bluethundr | mail:/etc/shorewall# telnet localhost 25 |
| 12:31.00 | bluethundr | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 12:31.00 | bluethundr | Trying ::1... |
| 12:31.00 | bluethundr | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
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| 12:31.10 | enouf | PyroPeter: where's the pastebin? and i see no /usr/lib/ in your ld.so.* |
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| 12:31.24 | bluethundr | sorry |
| 12:31.36 | bluethundr | didn't mean to paste that much.. accident |
| 12:32.05 | enouf | PyroPeter: check out the PATH for amd64 http://packages.debian.org/lenny/amd64/libasound2-plugins/filelist |
| 12:32.22 | mosno | bluethundr: your postfix config seems shagged |
| 12:32.34 | bluethundr | hmmm main.cf? |
| 12:32.40 | bluethundr | or master.cf ? |
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| 12:32.54 | mosno | bluethundr: i dont remember, check the docs. probably the bit where you specify which address/interface to bind on |
| 12:33.01 | mosno | bluethundr: also check /var/log |
| 12:33.07 | PyroPeter | enouf: the libs are where they are in the package |
| 12:33.07 | enouf | bluethundr: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 12:33.19 | bluethundr | enough: thank u |
| 12:33.23 | bluethundr | monso: thank u |
| 12:33.34 | unixluser | enouf: that was the prob. thanks |
| 12:33.36 | enouf | PyroPeter: i know that - why are you telling me? i'm telling you your system doesn't use that dir/ |
| 12:33.41 | enouf | unixluser: welcome |
| 12:34.01 | unixluser | bluethundr: tab-complete of nick is faster :) |
| 12:34.04 | mosno | monso... that's a new one |
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| 12:34.10 | PyroPeter | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m5636c65e |
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| 12:34.24 | bluethundr | :) |
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| 12:35.04 | enouf | PyroPeter: 1st off - get the F out of /tmp |
| 12:35.24 | enouf | PyroPeter: 2nd off - try; LANG=C aplay -Da52encode |
| 12:35.25 | bluethundr | ah! this seems to be the problem... May 10 08:17:30 mail postfix/master[22337]: fatal: /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 23: missing "command" field |
| 12:35.46 | bluethundr | how do I jump to a particular line in vi? |
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| 12:35.55 | PyroPeter | enouf: the english error is the relevant one |
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| 12:36.22 | enouf | PyroPeter: really? how do you know that? |
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| 12:36.49 | PyroPeter | enouf: now /usr/lib/ is added to ld.so.* and i ran ldconfig |
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| 12:37.13 | PyroPeter | enouf: the second occours too when i try an not existing device |
| 12:37.16 | enouf | PyroPeter: also - what makes you think that other libs located in /usr/lib/alsa-lib/ are being used as you said earlier |
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| 12:38.10 | unixluser | bluethundr: #linenumber shift-g |
| 12:38.28 | bluethundr | unixluser: thanks |
| 12:38.50 | xing_ | retard_,can i modify the xorg.conf file in Debian 5.01? |
| 12:38.56 | enouf | yes |
| 12:39.00 | PyroPeter | enouf: dont know :-P but they all sound very important |
| 12:39.36 | unixluser | enouf: curiously, how do i check when a particular package was submitted and official allowed into sid? |
| 12:39.44 | retard | xing_, yes. |
| 12:40.21 | retard | if you are root. |
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| 12:40.52 | unixluser | wow, this cse mirror would be over a month lagging if i consider package (initial release) in 21 Mar 09 |
| 12:40.57 | xing_ | retard_.thanks |
| 12:41.04 | retard | yw\ |
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| 12:42.06 | xing_ | another problem for me is printer cofiguration in lenny |
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| 12:43.14 | tenehawk | Hi, can anyone help me make an empty 5GB .img file act as a "block device" for use in iSCSI? |
| 12:43.26 | tenehawk | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.36 | enouf | unixluser: usually from where you were - or the dev paged |
| 12:43.40 | enouf | pages* |
| 12:44.01 | unixluser | enouf: ok |
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| 12:44.25 | tenehawk | i've done the following: |
| 12:44.25 | tenehawk | dd if=/dev/zero of=/storage/lun1.img bs=1024k count=20000 |
| 12:44.29 | codingrobot | any recommendations for a good PCI network card? i think i'll buy some intel 1000 gt, for 24 euro i think that will be the best choice. |
| 12:44.38 | tenehawk | to make a 20GB img.. |
| 12:45.07 | enouf | unixluser: http://ftp-master.debian.org/ and http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/ |
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| 12:45.18 | PyroPeter | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/d66b2014a62bb219 |
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| 12:45.29 | stuckey | Anyone here know how to use fetchmail? |
| 12:45.31 | tenehawk | now I just want the img to act like a "drive" that I can format using ext3 |
| 12:45.35 | xing_ | my printer seemed to have been configured by hplip. but i got the massage "Device Communication Error" |
| 12:45.47 | Eulex | tenehawk, man losetup |
| 12:45.55 | tenehawk | losetup? aight |
| 12:46.00 | enouf | unixluser: IINM, you can install dotty or .. madison or somesuch - i forget offhand now |
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| 12:46.15 | enouf | tenehawk: yep |
| 12:46.18 | Eulex | tenehawk, that will get it onto a loopback device |
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| 12:47.01 | tenehawk | Ah, aight.. then i can use iSCSI to point to the loopback device as a "drive"? |
| 12:47.18 | tenehawk | because iSCSI can only access a device and not an img file (/dev/somedrive |
| 12:47.20 | enouf | tenehawk: not sure about any iscsi crap - but in general, that;s the way to generate a file, then you force a mkfs on it, then mount it using losetup/loop |
| 12:47.25 | unixluser | enouf: whats it do? |
| 12:47.34 | unixluser | whatever it's called |
| 12:47.36 | tenehawk | how do you force an mkfs? |
| 12:47.40 | enouf | unixluser: apt-cache show <pkgname> |
| 12:47.48 | unixluser | oh |
| 12:48.13 | enouf | http://linuxgazette.net/114/kapil.html |
| 12:49.00 | enouf | http://linuxgazette.net/109/chirico.html |
| 12:49.54 | tenehawk | enouf: thanks :) gonna do some reading |
| 12:50.17 | tenehawk | gotta demonstrate this all for a class tommorrow.. final exam project lol |
| 12:50.32 | enouf | \o/ |
| 12:50.45 | enouf | give that {wo}man an A+ |
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| 12:51.28 | tenehawk | enouf: haha...man... yea, I was assigned to demonstrate iSCSI and AoE using 2 VM's using XEN and a standalone SAN server with 1TB of storage |
| 12:51.40 | tenehawk | and it's gotta be workign flawlessly by 4PM tommorrow EST |
| 12:51.41 | tenehawk | lol |
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| 12:55.21 | tenehawk | which filesystem is better for holding large IMG files? (5GB+) XFS or JFS? |
| 12:55.35 | enouf | tenehawk: might want to practice on a 20M file rather than a 20G one at first |
| 12:55.56 | retard | tenehawk, xfs. |
| 12:55.58 | enouf | both ... but use ext3 |
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| 12:56.11 | Gratz474 | anyone here know the best alternative to say cpanel? |
| 12:56.34 | enouf | Gratz474: SysCP perhaps? not sure what cpanel does |
| 12:57.05 | Polarina | tenehawk: ext3 will be the best. |
| 12:57.12 | enouf | if that's cygwin related garbage, then i have no idea |
| 12:57.36 | Gratz474 | anything other then syscp out there? |
| 12:57.50 | enouf | tenehawk: learning the ins and outs of xfs is not something you want to try and do over one day .. use ext3 |
| 12:58.39 | retard | oh...time limit...sucks.. |
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| 12:59.08 | enouf | plus .. it's virtualized over virtualization :-P |
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| 12:59.46 | joss | hi, wheres debian env living? PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH system default? |
| 12:59.51 | enouf | they'll have enough to learn to make the networked block devices function properly |
| 13:00.08 | enouf | joss: type env |
| 13:00.28 | enouf | or even printenv |
| 13:00.43 | enouf | ehco $PATH |
| 13:01.07 | enouf | er .. echo $PATH ; and /etc/ld.so.conf{.d}/* |
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| 13:01.13 | liable | my goodness, kde4 is .. different... |
| 13:01.38 | liable | this is going to be a challenge |
| 13:01.39 | enouf | pokes liable in the eye for even considering the behemoth |
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| 13:01.55 | joss | enouf, yeah but how to change that , so it would add PATH always, i know /etc/ld.so.conf points to LD stuff, wheres binary PATH? |
| 13:01.59 | xing__ | "Device Communication Erroe" after my hp printer is configured |
| 13:02.17 | enouf | !wayttd joss |
| 13:02.19 | liable | enouf: i cant be arsed spending five years getting my openbox config correct, and gnome sucks even worse |
| 13:02.25 | enouf | haha |
| 13:02.35 | enouf | joss: what are you trying to do? |
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| 13:02.57 | enouf | i guess dpkg is taking a break for Mother's Day ;-) |
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| 13:03.49 | joss | enouf, change PATH so that it include my /opt/saramona/bin always as default |
| 13:03.49 | joss | no matter when i rerstart , no matter when i shut down, where it loads PATH? |
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| 13:04.21 | RaymondX | hi...is there a text-based window-manager in debian? |
| 13:04.31 | enouf | joss: add this to your .bashrc; export PATH="$PATH:/opt/s.../bin" |
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| 13:04.56 | dokin | Hi I'm using Stable and I just installed Vuze which gave me some update thing. I chose to update and it tells me to restart the client, when I do that it tells me the same thing again. Over and over. Isn't it supposed to work? |
| 13:05.03 | leotr12345 | hi! if i want a custom ip routing configuration should i create a script or there is a special place where it's possible to enter routing configuration? |
| 13:05.08 | enouf | joss: then logout as the user entirely and log back in - echo $PATH will then show it |
| 13:05.34 | liable | grr, x has broken my TP scrolling again |
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| 13:06.12 | enouf | joss: other possibilities which shouldn't be messed with until you understand how it all works are /etc/login.defs and /etc/profile |
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| 13:07.17 | xing__ | can anyone help me to solve the HP printer problem "Device Communication Error"? |
| 13:07.20 | enouf | joss: obviously i meant; export PATH="$PATH:/opt/saramona/bin" <-- just didn't feel like spelling saramona out, nor correctly :-p |
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| 13:07.46 | stuckey | I'm trying to set up fetchmail and I ran it but then it deleted all the mail on the server and now I don't know how to get my emails back... Does anyone know where fetchmail (by default in lenny) retries these emails to? |
| 13:08.20 | enouf | xing__: no idea - but does it work as root user? if so, it's a 'group' issue |
| 13:08.39 | enouf | (most likely) |
| 13:10.05 | enouf | dokin: how did you restart the client? |
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| 13:10.26 | enouf | dokin: also try dpkg-reconfigure vuze (as root or using sudo) |
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| 13:10.46 | enouf | dokin: at worst, restart your DE session |
| 13:11.16 | xing__ | enouf__,the printer seemed to have been configured well.but the test page is blank,i get the error massage from the hp toolbox |
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| 13:11.16 | dokin | enouf, I clicked "restart now" in the message that came up. But since you usually do stuff through apt I thought maybe it's not supposed to work and the problem is someone forgot to disable the automatic updater in vuze? |
| 13:11.25 | hatter_au | how do i disable right mouse click for X ? |
| 13:11.34 | enouf | xing__: i'm bad with trying toi diagnose those issues; try ##linux and linux-printing.org? |
| 13:11.59 | enouf | hatter_au: perhaps you need some mapping entry in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 13:12.08 | enouf | !xmodmap |
| 13:12.12 | enouf | oh dear |
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| 13:12.50 | enouf | hatter_au: man Xorg ; man xmodmap ; google for info about a custom ~/.xmodmap file |
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| 13:13.17 | hatter_au | enouf, cool, thx |
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| 13:15.59 | mischief6 | is it a good idea to use encrypted LVM on a SSD? |
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| 13:16.43 | natalie | Hi,I just upgraded my mx server to lenny and seem to have broken amavis, I am using postfix , mail.log shows (delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection with 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] while sending RCPT TO) |
| 13:17.22 | enouf | mischief6: i would imagine it's more important which FS and which mount options are used |
| 13:17.57 | mischief6 | enouf, well..i am fairly noob at that stuff :@ just wondering if it will put heavy wear on my ssd |
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| 13:18.22 | enouf | mischief6: well .. the encryption aspect likely will |
| 13:18.50 | mischief6 | well, it says in the install manual "When using encrypted LVM, the installer will also automatically erase the disk by writing random data to it. This further improves security (as it makes it impossible to tell which parts of the disk are in use and also makes sure that any traces of previous installations are erased), but may take some time depending on the size of your disk." |
| 13:19.11 | enouf | mischief6: however .. as i noted, even without it, and using bad mount options would do the same |
| 13:19.52 | xing_ | enouf_,is it a channel for linux-printing? |
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| 13:20.24 | enouf | xing_: no idea; do in your irc client; /msg ALIS list #*print* |
| 13:20.28 | cahoot | like #cups? |
| 13:20.35 | enouf | heh |
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| 13:25.54 | mischief6 | if i set up 'separate partitions' in the debian installer, if i need to i can resize them later, right? |
| 13:26.04 | liable | right, one problem down, 500 left to fix |
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| 13:26.19 | liable | mischief6: not really (easily) you can if you use lvm |
| 13:26.22 | enouf | mischief6: LVM should make it easier, atleast once you understand it |
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| 13:26.38 | mischief6 | uh..i didn't LVM it :X |
| 13:26.46 | RaymondX1 | hi ....is there a text-based window manager in debian? tnx |
| 13:26.47 | mischief6 | is it wise to use LVM over plain partitions? |
| 13:26.49 | enouf | mischief6: well, depends then |
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| 13:26.56 | mischief6 | RaymondX1, maybe screen? :> |
| 13:27.12 | enouf | bash |
| 13:27.14 | enouf | :-p |
| 13:27.18 | mischief6 | lol |
| 13:27.22 | mischief6 | enouf, what does it depend on? |
| 13:27.35 | enouf | mischief6: how many, free space, which types |
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| 13:27.55 | mischief6 | i have a 32gb disk :x |
| 13:28.47 | mischief6 | well...is LVM more desireable than regular partitions? |
| 13:29.06 | enouf | mischief6: read this; http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html (don't focus on it .. but peruse it, and come back to it .. use it as a guide for learning) .. but also - setting up a disk with MSDOS type partition tables, i prefer only up to 4 Primary partitions (maximum allowed using msdos type) |
| 13:29.22 | enouf | for ease |
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| 13:29.59 | enouf | mischief6: pastebin output of "fdisk -l" |
| 13:30.09 | mischief6 | uh :\ |
| 13:30.15 | mischief6 | that page crashed firefox enouf -.- |
| 13:30.23 | enouf | mischief6: Firepoop? |
| 13:30.29 | mischief6 | ya :D |
| 13:30.38 | enouf | mischief6: that is really odd - it's a perfectly good page |
| 13:30.40 | mischief6 | also enouf how can i paste from the system which i am installing on? :D |
| 13:31.28 | enouf | mischief6: you aren't talking to me from that system |
| 13:31.36 | mischief6 | no i am not |
| 13:31.41 | enouf | learn to type |
| 13:31.57 | mischief6 | i know how to type :( |
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| 13:32.24 | enouf | mischief6: well, you can show me each line here, or let's go over to #flood |
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| 13:32.56 | enouf | needs to go real soon - after all I Love My Mommy ;-) |
| 13:32.58 | mischief6 | enouf, i am in #flood ? |
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| 13:33.32 | kamathln | A friend of mine just installed Debian on his laptop. KDE automatically got installed during the process, Now he wants to access other (read windows) partitions. which is the best way to go about without touching the terminal ? |
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| 13:34.11 | RaymondX1 | text-based window manager that has mouse-support....know of one? |
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| 13:35.26 | tommi69 | hi all, can i ask questions here about eeeos? |
| 13:35.50 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.52 | qwert666 | hi,i have some problems with compiling the kernel ... i`m using the make-kpkg and at the end i got some bad permission error ... ;/ i`ve changed the chmod of /usr/src and what now ? compiling it from the begining is waste of time ;/ |
| 13:36.38 | cahoot | fakeroot |
| 13:37.00 | qwert666 | i`m at fakeroot |
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| 13:39.57 | kamathln | streuner_: twin |
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| 13:44.47 | Rioting_Pacifist | dpkg: whatis /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/gconv |
| 13:44.48 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Rioting_Pacifist |
| 13:44.49 | qwert666 | hmm so the question is how to finish the package building now ... |
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| 13:50.55 | person | Hmm, I'm guessing it's a bad idea to remove Xorg when in an X session? |
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| 13:51.32 | person | Let's see if I really have >< |
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| 13:55.54 | betz | Hey! Suddenly my httpd server stopped and wont restart. I get following error: |
| 13:55.56 | betz | Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...apache2: Syntax error on line 185 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/jk.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_jk.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_jk.so: undefined symbol: ap_get_server_description failed! |
| 13:56.15 | betz | if i google it, i come accross many bug reports |
| 13:56.21 | betz | is there anything i can do? |
| 13:56.43 | azeem | betz: which version of Debian? |
| 13:57.18 | betz | azeem: just did aptitude upgrade, so i think latest |
| 13:57.36 | betz | azeem: what command i can do to know the version? |
| 13:59.23 | mischief6 | you can try "cat /etc/debian_version" |
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| 14:00.16 | betz | then i get "squeeze/sid" |
| 14:00.35 | mischief6 | me too :) |
| 14:01.35 | themill | betz: it's a bit late to tell you this now, but Debian's "testing" branch isn't that great for use on a server. |
| 14:02.07 | betz | so i'm on testing branch :) |
| 14:02.14 | betz | how did i get there |
| 14:02.15 | betz | :) |
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| 14:04.31 | azeem | betz: by putting squeeze or testing into /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:05.15 | betz | ok, i see where. i followed a tutorial to install transmission. |
| 14:05.26 | betz | Is there nothing i can do but wait? |
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| 14:06.15 | azeem | betz: you can see whether one of the bug reports has a fix and/or work-around, maybe |
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| 14:07.15 | themill | betz: you probably want to work out how much of your machine is running testing and try either (a) downgrading but that probably won't be easy or (b) reinstalling lenny. |
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| 14:09.56 | joss | themill, so another question can i say to apt-get install the older version of package one of two that are available in apt? |
| 14:10.13 | joss | major is the same for them both |
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| 14:11.21 | joss | enouf, your comments? |
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| 14:11.46 | azeem | joss: please don't ask specific people, ask the channel |
| 14:12.03 | azeem | joss: I guess you don't want my input, so I'll keep quiet |
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| 14:12.34 | joss | azeem, no keep going but answer to my question as well.. |
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| 14:12.52 | joss | azeem, ah about the problem, sure i do.. |
| 14:13.25 | jaggz- | I executed "vi" from sudo -c "bash --rcfile path_to_script_which_ran_vim" then I suspended vim which unfortunately but not surprisingly did not take me to a shell, but I've wound up in nothingness. ps shows my vim is still there but I don't know how to return to it. I'd like to know how to run bash with an rc file but be able to shell out |
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| 14:13.45 | azeem | joss: you can tell apt-get to install a specific by appending something like =1.2.3-4 after the package name, like apt-get install foo=1.2.3-4; of course, version 1.2.3-4 of package foo needs to be known to apt |
| 14:14.04 | joss | azeem, thought so, thanks |
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| 14:18.30 | betz | azeem and themill: i just moved my jk.load file away from /etc/apache2/mods-enabled and now it works. |
| 14:18.34 | liable | meh, sound is broken too |
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| 14:19.15 | joss | azeem, i was also windering if it's possible to keep two package caches at the same time, with different env's? |
| 14:20.17 | jackweb | Hello! My Debian boots slower since (probably) last 'aptitude safe-upgrade'. The booting stops on "Disabled privacy extensions lo" (kernel msg) for 10 seconds. What's wrong? |
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| 14:23.02 | ComradeHaz | guys, is there a debian-gnome channel enywhere? |
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| 14:31.34 | hark | ComradeHaz: #gnome-debian iirc on gimpnet |
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| 14:34.10 | azeem | joss: why do you ask me? |
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| 14:43.47 | zhxk | hello |
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| 14:44.44 | retard | ehlo |
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| 14:49.40 | amitz | how to create the least authorized user in debian lenny for ssh tunneling purposes? What's the right keyword to google? |
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| 14:57.52 | CuBe0wL | hi all! has anybody else experienced crash in kicker 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 ? |
| 14:58.32 | bluethundr | my lead developer is trying to say that /var/www is NOT for tomcat files.. popycock!! rigtht? |
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| 15:00.28 | adnc | hello, i need this kernel linux-image-2.6.24-1-486 |
| 15:00.36 | adnc | where can i get it? |
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| 15:01.27 | jetscreamer | !archives |
| 15:01.27 | dpkg | i guess archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 15:01.38 | jelly-home | adnc: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 15:01.52 | vmlinz | adnc: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 15:02.31 | jelly-home | adnc: which debian release are you using? |
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| 15:02.59 | adnc | jelly-home: i did look into the search, but i couldn't find it. i use sid |
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| 15:06.23 | RaymondX | testing |
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| 15:07.19 | adnc | testing? |
| 15:08.03 | RaymondX | hi adne |
| 15:08.18 | RaymondX | do you know of a window manager that doesnt run on x |
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| 15:09.26 | adnc | jelly-home: isn't it possible to find the kernel? |
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| 15:13.53 | jetscreamer | compile one |
| 15:14.01 | mischief6 | debian takes 2000 years to install on an eee pc -.- |
| 15:14.47 | RaymondX | eee? |
| 15:15.21 | mischief6 | eee! |
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| 15:17.13 | WormFood | 2000 years, eh? |
| 15:17.25 | WormFood | what type of years? mouse years? |
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| 15:17.40 | WormFood | every 12 minutes equals a year or something |
| 15:19.00 | jonathansizz | I installed another distro on a separate partition, and it overwrote the GRUB from my debian install (without asking first!). How do I rewrite my Debian GRUB back over it? |
| 15:19.31 | WormFood | jonathansizz, read the grub docs...it is pretty straight forward, but forget the details |
| 15:21.21 | cptblood | mischief6: i guess you're not done yet then |
| 15:21.42 | cptblood | also, how do u figure it takes 2000 yrs, hard to see the end of that installation :p |
| 15:21.45 | mischief6 | cptblood, why no. no i am not. |
| 15:21.56 | mischief6 | right now i am at 64% |
| 15:22.02 | mischief6 | 'preparing tsclient' |
| 15:22.09 | cptblood | guess you started a little over 1000 yrs then ;) |
| 15:22.20 | mischief6 | yeah i've been at it a while ;D |
| 15:22.44 | cptblood | i wonder what the vikings etc would've thought of an eee pc :) |
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| 15:24.09 | Macjust | Hello, I have a problem : [I have no name!@inchala:/]$, but in my passwd and passwd- I am here... and I have a name... |
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| 15:25.18 | adnc | df |
| 15:25.54 | Macjust | er ? |
| 15:26.06 | wooj | Can anyone tell me if there is a way to configure xrandr so that my eeepc display is one desktop, and my external montior is a 2nd desktop? All I can get it to do is be the same desktop showing on both displays. |
| 15:27.34 | aspect | wooj: xrandr --output VGA --above LVDS &c; you may have to create an xorg.conf and set the virtual screen size to make it work |
| 15:28.04 | wooj | aspect: ahh that could be the problem, I havent edited xorg.conf. Let me go google that :) |
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| 15:28.52 | wooj | xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1680x1680 (desired size 2480x1050) |
| 15:28.57 | wooj | yeah I think you're right. |
| 15:29.10 | aspect | wooj: do you have a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 15:29.26 | wooj | aspect: I do indeed |
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| 15:30.37 | aspect | excellent: then find the section "Screen" subsection "Display" and add a line with "Virtual 1680 1680" in it |
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| 15:31.50 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.05 | nemstep | hello, please what is the way to query the reason why a package was installed, i.e. what triggered it's installation as a dependency for instance -- is it possible with apt? |
| 15:32.30 | wooj | aspect: hmm I don't have that, I have "Device" which is "Configured Video Device", "Monitor" and "Screen" |
| 15:32.46 | wooj | no mention of Display |
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| 15:33.40 | aspect | hmm, you might need google then :) |
| 15:34.10 | wooj | okay. I have no display subsection at all :S |
| 15:34.10 | mischief6 | in aptitude how do i find installed packages that i installed myself? |
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| 15:34.29 | mischief6 | i've been trying to use aptitude search regular expressions but they do not work as i expect |
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| 15:34.44 | cahoot | aspect: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
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| 15:35.00 | RaymondX | change the search category to "status" |
| 15:35.13 | mischief6 | RaymondX, i meant on CLI not in ncurses interface |
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| 15:35.28 | aspect | wooj: or cahoot's link, perhaps :) |
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| 15:37.53 | mischief6 | i tried using `aptitude search '~i' '!~M'` but it does not show packages i installed that are not autoinstalled |
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| 15:39.46 | RaymondX | no one here knows of any text-based window manager T_T |
| 15:40.25 | mischief6 | RaymondX, screen? |
| 15:41.11 | RaymondX | does it have mouse support? |
| 15:41.15 | mischief6 | no... |
| 15:41.18 | Eulex | dvtm? |
| 15:43.04 | mischief6 | so...nobody knows how to find installed packages that are not automatic with aptitude? |
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| 15:44.12 | linkd | dpkg -l | grep a_package_name # is how you can search for packages that you've installed |
| 15:44.13 | dpkg | ii | grep a_package_name # is how you can search for packages that you've installed 2.3-15.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 15:44.31 | linkd | o_0 |
| 15:45.05 | mischief6 | linkd, uh what? |
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| 15:45.17 | mischief6 | i don't want to see a particular package, i want a list of all the ones i have installed |
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| 15:45.24 | linkd | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.39 | mischief6 | linkd, i only want to see the ones i have installed myself |
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| 15:45.44 | mischief6 | not ones marked with A, automatic |
| 15:45.54 | mischief6 | i want 'i' and not 'A' |
| 15:46.07 | mischief6 | i tried aptitude search '~i' '!~M' but it didn't work |
| 15:46.30 | nemstep | if anyone cares, answer to my question above can often be supplied by 'aptitude why' |
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| 15:47.52 | hark | mischief6: try aptitude search '~i!~M' instead |
| 15:48.45 | RaymondX | screen and dvtm doesnt work in ssh |
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| 15:48.52 | mischief6 | screen does too |
| 15:49.28 | mischief6 | aha, thanks hark ! |
| 15:49.29 | \amethyst | RaymondX: doesn't work how? |
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| 15:49.59 | RaymondX | its same as clear |
| 15:50.08 | mischief6 | as what |
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| 15:50.27 | mischief6 | RaymondX, perhaps you are in a screen session without realizing it. |
| 15:51.51 | tenehawk | ok... can anyone here help me set up iSCSI? I have the target and initatior set up, they can see eachother, and the initiator can even log into the target |
| 15:52.08 | tenehawk | But I can't seem to get the drive to show up on the initator (fdisk -l returns just hda) |
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| 15:52.20 | tenehawk | nothing in /var/log/messages either |
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| 15:53.15 | tenehawk | please someone help? |
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| 15:55.18 | CuBe0wL | hi all! after dist-upgrade, kicker in package 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 (testing) crashes on startup. where should I report this? |
| 15:55.47 | CuBe0wL | and what tools do I need to provide a proper backtrace? |
| 15:56.08 | RaymondX | it work the same as clear screen |
| 15:56.20 | nick_h[litage] | will restarting mon reset the "alertevery" and "numalert" counts? |
| 15:56.26 | \amethyst | RaymondX: have you tried pressing <ctrl-a> <question mark> ? |
| 15:56.27 | RaymondX | i know that im in the session because i can type exit without logging out |
| 15:56.47 | tenehawk | i'm not sure why it wont see the device after it logs in... |
| 15:56.59 | mischief6 | hey hark how can i use the commands like ?not() and ?and() ? |
| 15:57.02 | tenehawk | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-setup-debian-ubuntu-linux-iscsi-initiator/ |
| 15:57.03 | davidisko | guys, what is trying to load processor.ko, fan.ko and thermal.ko during the boot? |
| 15:57.12 | RaymondX | yes it only refreshes the terminal |
| 15:57.32 | mischief6 | hark, nevermind, i wasn't using quotes around the paramter |
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| 16:00.31 | tenehawk | can anyone help me? |
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| 16:03.30 | pappanz | hello. will apt-listbugs work also if I use aptitude? |
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| 16:03.38 | avu | pappanz, yes |
| 16:03.44 | pappanz | avu, ty! |
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| 16:06.28 | WastePotato | Fail. |
| 16:06.28 | mischief6 | uh can someone help me with my debian installation..? i think i messed up grub :( |
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| 16:07.00 | myeggo | is there a good client multiprotocol for gtalk msn and skype and so on? |
| 16:07.10 | mischief6 | myeggo, pidgin/gaim? |
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| 16:07.23 | myeggo | i have tried pidgin, but it wont support webcam |
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| 16:15.17 | OpenTokix | myeggo: amsn then |
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| 16:15.42 | myeggo | but amsn only support msn |
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| 16:19.18 | luke3321 | Hey all, how can I found out what processes are using a kernel module? |
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| 16:25.32 | mischief6 | is this method of compiling a new kernel the best or is there a newer/better way? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en |
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| 16:31.24 | arvind_khadri | mischief6, go for it |
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| 16:40.48 | rgr | in which startup/rc file in debian can I put 'export TZ="Europe/Berlin"' so that the TZ env is availabe in desktop programs in gui mode (X/gnome) and also from programs in terminal mode in an X-less environment? I had thought /etc/bash.bashrc but it did not work. |
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| 16:41.14 | Kvant | try /etc/environment |
| 16:41.20 | FFForever | why does my system say this for date?, Mon May 11 00:39:50 GMT-8 2009, its only 9:41am..... |
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| 16:42.48 | cahoot | FFForever: try /msg dpkg set the time |
| 16:43.38 | FFForever | can i have ntp set it without rebooting... |
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| 16:45.07 | cahoot | FFForever: I suspect there will be some complaints since the system 'clock' is set in the future atm |
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| 16:49.08 | mischief6 | hey anyone know if rt2860 modules work for wifi card identified as realtek 2790? |
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| 16:50.17 | mischief6 | ralink* |
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| 16:51.25 | FFForever | cahoot, how do i use the --set option?, the man page only says set=string... |
| 16:52.12 | cahoot | FFForever: try date -s 9:52 |
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| 16:52.31 | cahoot | FFForever: then hwclock --systohc |
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| 16:56.26 | FFForever | kk |
| 16:56.50 | FFForever | cahoot, how do i set the actual date, its off by a day also... |
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| 16:58.14 | cahoot | like date -s '09/05/10 9:57' |
| 16:58.55 | cahoot | (or whatever string is appropriate for your locale) |
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| 16:59.00 | omri | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.01 | omri | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:59.03 | omri | why's that? |
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| 16:59.49 | FFForever | cahoot, ntpdate is setting my clock to tmw =\ |
| 16:59.56 | Macjust | I have a problem : [I have no name!@inchala:/]$, but in my passwd and passwd- I am here... and I have a name... (With a new user) |
| 17:00.15 | azeem | Macjust: that message is from your system |
| 17:00.22 | azeem | your system does not have a name |
| 17:00.26 | azeem | !hostname |
| 17:00.27 | dpkg | Use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
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| 17:00.47 | Macjust | I have a hostname |
| 17:01.00 | cahoot | FFForever: set correct timezone and enable UTC |
| 17:01.12 | FFForever | how do i do that? |
| 17:01.19 | cahoot | FFForever: try /msg dpkg set the time |
| 17:01.46 | FFForever | i set my system with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 17:01.52 | FFForever | i set etc gmt -8 |
| 17:02.05 | azeem | Macjust: what does the command "hostname" write? |
| 17:03.26 | Macjust | [root@inch:~]# useradd -d /home/tl -m tester |
| 17:03.26 | Macjust | [root@inch:~]# su tester |
| 17:03.26 | Macjust | [I have no name!@inch:/root]$ hostname |
| 17:03.26 | Macjust | inch.fr |
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| 17:03.38 | rastafreund | ^^ |
| 17:03.54 | Macjust | you have 4 line ? |
| 17:04.06 | azeem | oh sorry then |
| 17:04.08 | azeem | my bad |
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| 17:04.35 | azeem | Macjust: in general, "adduser" is the recommended way to add users |
| 17:04.41 | Macjust | same result |
| 17:05.07 | Macjust | (i have try but a c/C of a adduser isn't a good idea here) |
| 17:05.27 | azeem | c/C? |
| 17:05.42 | Macjust | copy and paste |
| 17:05.47 | Macjust | i'm french.... |
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| 17:06.40 | Macjust | an idea ? :'( |
| 17:06.51 | azeem | Macjust: the kick message said, "use the paster bot or #flood" |
| 17:07.03 | azeem | put it up on paste.debian.net |
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| 17:09.35 | Macjust | http://paste.debian.net/35779/ |
| 17:09.38 | Macjust | so now |
| 17:09.46 | Macjust | have you an idea ? |
| 17:10.02 | Macjust | else i go to Paris to kill the computer... |
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| 17:11.14 | Macjust | Must i prepare my bag ? |
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| 17:12.52 | azeem | Macjust: did you try "su - mouarf"? |
| 17:12.57 | Aaz | maybe `su - mouarf`? |
| 17:13.22 | Macjust | same result |
| 17:14.41 | Aaz | you use mc? |
| 17:15.43 | azeem | Macjust: what does "getent passwd | grep mouarf" say? |
| 17:15.53 | Macjust | i don't known mc |
| 17:16.22 | Macjust | 59:mouarf:x:1003:1003:,,,:/home/mouarf:/bin/bash |
| 17:16.50 | azeem | 59? |
| 17:16.58 | Macjust | YES |
| 17:17.01 | Macjust | yes* |
| 17:17.13 | azeem | uhm, that looks wrong |
| 17:17.29 | azeem | Macjust: is that the same in /etc/passwd? |
| 17:17.49 | Macjust | no |
| 17:18.08 | Macjust | mouarf:x:1003:1003:,,,:/home/mouarf:/bin/bash |
| 17:18.20 | Macjust | without 59: |
| 17:18.28 | azeem | Macjust: then check your PAM setup |
| 17:18.38 | azeem | in /etc/pam.d/ |
| 17:18.59 | azeem | Macjust: ans what does "grep passwd /etc/nsswitch.conf" say? |
| 17:19.00 | \amethyst | err, you don't have something that would make grep act like grep -n do you? |
| 17:19.01 | azeem | and* |
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| 17:19.29 | azeem | ah, that could be it as well, of course |
| 17:19.37 | \amethyst | Macjust: does echo "$GREP_OPTIONS"; alias grep say anything? |
| 17:19.45 | \amethyst | Macjust: other than 'alias: grep: not found' ? |
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| 17:20.11 | Macjust | to azeem : 7:passwd: compat |
| 17:20.20 | azeem | right |
| 17:20.24 | azeem | so it's not that |
| 17:20.39 | Macjust | \amethyst : grep option is null |
| 17:21.01 | Macjust | in my bashrc : alias grep='grep -n --color' |
| 17:21.33 | \amethyst | okay, that's where the 59: came from |
| 17:21.45 | \amethyst | -n tells grep to add line numbers |
| 17:22.16 | Macjust | at the start i have an error of portmap it doesn't know the root:root |
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| 17:36.48 | mirak | hi |
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| 17:37.30 | mirak | how can I install grub on /boot that is on a different partition ? i mean I have an initial partition with just grub. it's not mounted on /boot |
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| 17:44.34 | mirak | hi |
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| 17:59.33 | Schuenemann | hey |
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| 17:59.50 | Schuenemann | what is the package that contains the X11 libraries for 32 bits? |
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| 18:07.16 | OpenTokix | creature_: lspci |
| 18:07.42 | creature_ | no i mean eth's |
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| 18:09.43 | dvs | creature_: ifconfig -a |
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| 18:17.43 | Aaz | after loading ifconfig not show eth0 interface. ifconfig eth0 is work... |
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| 18:19.09 | FFForever | how can i give a user a quota... |
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| 18:21.14 | Kobaz | i'm getting some errors when launching apps that use gnome: Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ for information. (Details - 1: Failed to get connection to session: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Option `--close-stderr' is unknown. |
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| 18:24.31 | Old_Spike0 | Why are some packages so broken or incomplete in Sid? gnome and kde usually work when obtained directly upstream... |
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| 18:24.49 | etchPRSN | isnt Sid the testing distro ? |
| 18:25.02 | Old_Spike0 | Unstable |
| 18:25.11 | etchPRSN | so... that is why |
| 18:25.14 | etchPRSN | :--) |
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| 18:25.24 | Old_Spike0 | But if a package works upstream... |
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| 18:25.53 | etchPRSN | makes no sense probably |
| 18:26.26 | azeem | Old_Spike0: a package has to work along with all the other packages |
| 18:26.46 | azeem | Old_Spike0: so "works upstream" doesn't make much sense when talking about GNOME, because they don't provide binaries |
| 18:27.02 | prophet | testing distro? |
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| 18:27.06 | Old_Spike0 | azeem: So, integration is the key... |
| 18:27.07 | prophet | sid is the unstable testing distro? |
| 18:27.20 | azeem | Old_Spike0: so what is your question? |
| 18:27.20 | prophet | if sid uses all the latest packages and is considered testing |
| 18:27.23 | dvs | prophet: sid is the "unstable" distro |
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| 18:27.34 | prophet | woudl that nmot make gentoo inherently unstabel? |
| 18:27.43 | dvs | prophet: ;-) |
| 18:27.53 | Old_Spike0 | azeem: just trying Sid for the first time, that is all. :-) |
| 18:28.10 | Old_Spike0 | azeem: trying to understand and learn |
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| 18:28.16 | azeem | Old_Spike0: well, then you should know what you are doing |
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| 18:28.54 | CuBe0wL | hi all |
| 18:29.01 | Old_Spike0 | azeem: yes, stability is not a problem with that machine. |
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| 18:29.14 | CuBe0wL | where have all the l10n localisation packages gone? oO |
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| 18:30.26 | prophet | dvs: well ;) is that the case |
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| 18:31.47 | DoubleRx2 | Can't figure out how to specify the engine in the hook_schema - anyone know? I want to create a memory-table |
| 18:31.58 | zxd | is freetype module no long required in newer xorg? |
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| 18:32.12 | DoubleRx2 | wrong channel sorry |
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| 18:33.14 | Schuenemann | what is the package name that contains the X11 libraries for 32 bits? |
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| 18:33.50 | azeem | Schuenemann: why do you need it? |
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| 18:34.08 | azeem | Schuenemann: just install the package you want, and the packaging system will install the needed libraries alongside |
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| 18:34.31 | Schuenemann | azeem, the program wasn't downloaded with the packaging system |
| 18:34.43 | Schuenemann | alien arena i i |
| 18:34.45 | Schuenemann | it is* |
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| 18:34.56 | azeem | there is no single x11 library, there around 20 or so |
| 18:35.04 | azeem | you'll have to figure out which it needs |
| 18:35.08 | Schuenemann | let me see the name |
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| 18:35.19 | azeem | Schuenemann: maybe try ldd on the binary and see which libraries are missing |
| 18:35.23 | Schuenemann | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:35.27 | Schuenemann | this is it |
| 18:35.36 | Schuenemann | I was told there is package with all or many of them |
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| 18:36.43 | \amethyst | Schuenemann: apt-file search libXxf86dga.so.1 # => libxxf86dga1: /usr/lib/libXxf86dga.so.1 |
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| 18:36.58 | \amethyst | Schuenemann: there is an alien-arena package in lenny, squeeze, and sid, btw |
| 18:37.02 | Schuenemann | \amethyst, I need the 32bit version |
| 18:37.10 | \amethyst | Schuenemann: ah |
| 18:37.11 | Schuenemann | \amethyst, yes, but outdated |
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| 18:37.33 | poisonbit | Hello |
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| 18:37.55 | poisonbit | I've done a "little" change at debian wiki |
| 18:37.59 | poisonbit | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall?action=diff&rev1=25&rev2=26 |
| 18:38.09 | aburch | Schuenemann: ia32-libs |
| 18:38.09 | poisonbit | but my english sucks, and my writting skills to |
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| 18:38.23 | robokop | while booting lvm couldn't find my volume group anymore, what should i do? |
| 18:38.27 | \amethyst | Schuenemann: looking at its dependencies might be helpful, though: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/alien-arena |
| 18:38.35 | poisonbit | I would like that someone with good english or networking skills, review the article, please |
| 18:38.48 | poisonbit | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall |
| 18:39.18 | Schuenemann | aburch, it says I already have it |
| 18:39.31 | Thms | mine ? |
| 18:39.31 | Thms | how can I make thunar as my default file manager ? |
| 18:39.52 | Schuenemann | damn I'm almost compiling it |
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| 18:40.30 | Schuenemann | \amethyst, I see it. The problem is that the binaries available are 32 bit |
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| 18:44.01 | krisfremen | what's like the lightest internet browser? |
| 18:44.08 | krisfremen | dependecy-wise |
| 18:44.19 | robokop | lynx or something like that |
| 18:44.39 | azeem | krisfremen: a static build of firefox |
| 18:44.45 | azeem | no dependencies |
| 18:44.54 | \amethyst | lynx or links2 |
| 18:45.22 | \amethyst | azeem: yeah, but that would be bigger than links2 + all its dependencies |
| 18:45.50 | azeem | well, krisfremen asked about dependencies, not size |
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| 18:46.12 | robokop | hehe |
| 18:46.20 | \amethyst | elinks-lite is probably the smallest in debian |
| 18:46.24 | \amethyst | dependency-wise |
| 18:46.43 | poisonbit | krisfremen, when you say "Internet browser" you say... html? html + javascript? html+js+tables+css? +flash? |
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| 18:47.00 | Kazuha | lynx. |
| 18:47.01 | \amethyst | libc, gnutls, and libtre |
| 18:47.11 | jelly-home | wget and a pager! |
| 18:47.13 | Kazuha | Lynx only requires a CLI. |
| 18:47.24 | krisfremen | no flash, but i do require a gui for images |
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| 18:47.43 | poisonbit | links2 |
| 18:47.45 | krisfremen | javascript is not neccesary, but would be good to have |
| 18:48.00 | \amethyst | Kazuha: lynx is huge compared to elinks-lite (5MB vs 758 K) |
| 18:48.00 | poisonbit | links2 may show images in framebuffer mode (text console) |
| 18:48.25 | poisonbit | also in x11 to |
| 18:48.26 | \amethyst | krisfremen: maybe w3m + w3m-img |
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| 18:48.43 | Schuenemann | krisfremen, galeon or epiphany |
| 18:48.43 | jelly-home | elinks does tables better than lynx |
| 18:48.45 | \amethyst | links2 -g |
| 18:48.51 | poisonbit | w3m-img i didn't know that |
| 18:48.52 | thrashold | \amethyst: elinks had Unicode problems for me, which are almost notexistant on Lynx. I don't know about elinks-lite and recent builds of elinks, though |
| 18:48.56 | Kazuha | \amethyst, lynx is the smallest browser *I've* used. |
| 18:49.03 | \amethyst | Kazuha: :) |
| 18:49.31 | Schuenemann | how to I get the files from svn://svn.icculus.org/alienarena/trunk? |
| 18:49.35 | jelly-home | thrashold: that's funny, I swiched to elinks _because_ it did funky characters better (than links) |
| 18:49.37 | Schuenemann | without a svn client |
| 18:49.39 | \amethyst | Kazuha: I alternate between elinks and lynx, in part depending on what machine I'm on |
| 18:49.47 | \amethyst | Schuenemann: get an svn client |
| 18:49.49 | azeem | Schuenemann: why don't you want to use a svn client? |
| 18:50.01 | Schuenemann | I only find qt clients |
| 18:50.06 | \amethyst | Schuenemann: aptitude install subversion |
| 18:50.12 | Schuenemann | I already have |
| 18:50.15 | \amethyst | Schuenemann: svn co svn://svn.icculus.org/alienarena/trunk |
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| 18:50.34 | Schuenemann | ahh |
| 18:50.35 | poisonbit | Schuenemann, try http |
| 18:50.39 | \amethyst | Schuenemann: that will create a directory called 'trunk' |
| 18:50.46 | Schuenemann | I thought I had to create something before checking out |
| 18:51.01 | poisonbit | if you don't want to use svn client for take one or two files |
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| 18:51.07 | poisonbit | http://svn.icculus.org/alienarena/trunk/ |
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| 18:51.31 | Schuenemann | how did you know it was available by http? |
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| 18:51.47 | jelly-home | he tried and hoped? |
| 18:51.53 | poisonbit | is debian-administration.org down ? |
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| 18:52.42 | krisfremen | hmm |
| 18:52.47 | joss | anyone tried nomachine or freenx locally ? |
| 18:52.57 | joss | i mean for immersive environment |
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| 18:54.05 | jelly-home | immersive environment? |
| 18:54.15 | poisonbit | joss i've try it only remotely... what do you mean ? |
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| 18:54.18 | poisonbit | like xnest ? |
| 18:54.50 | joss | yep.. |
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| 18:55.15 | joss | poisonbit, wondering if you can get direct rendering inside of it, just in local environment? |
| 18:55.33 | poisonbit | that could be cool |
| 18:55.48 | poisonbit | but i've not try freenx like that |
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| 18:55.59 | poisonbit | does it any problem, error ? |
| 18:56.20 | joss | poisonbit, yeah could you check, nomachine has an option to ...ah i haven't tried yet..very low band here |
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| 18:56.35 | poisonbit | and... another X session in tty8 ? |
| 18:57.07 | poisonbit | not a valid solution for you ? |
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| 18:57.44 | joss | poisonbit, http://www.nomachine.com/ar/view.php?ar_id=AR09C00278 |
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| 18:59.00 | poisonbit | if you get direct rendering into it... what is the purpose? what is the next step? |
| 18:59.00 | robokop | if i for some reason lost some partition table information is there a way to get it back? |
| 18:59.32 | poisonbit | joss, i don't understand... why don't direct rendering directly ? |
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| 18:59.40 | joss | poisonbit, ah, i would like to split it then..for collaborative access. |
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| 19:00.25 | poisonbit | robokop, try this: testdisk - Partition scanner and disk recovery tool |
| 19:00.32 | robokop | thanks |
| 19:00.57 | poisonbit | good luck |
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| 19:01.30 | joss | poisonbit, actually i am using Xservers on different tty's but i don't understand how i could share a single application between them, so it would always appear in the same state in both of the sessions, i am trying to use nomachine because of that |
| 19:01.58 | joss | poisonbit, so i could connect multiple clients from whichever tty to it..and leave them as applications there |
| 19:02.36 | poisonbit | mmm diferent tty's are diferent X sessions... of the same user ? |
| 19:02.55 | poisonbit | may be you can play whit $DISPLAY |
| 19:03.00 | poisonbit | i don't know |
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| 19:05.39 | joss | poisonbit, you know just that i get different environments on each Xserver or virtual desktop |
| 19:06.07 | negge | has anyone used "preload"? It's supposed to make programs start faster after it's gotten used to your routines, but I haven't seen any speed increase so far. Do I have to configure it somehow or should running it the background as a daemon do the trick? |
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| 19:07.20 | negge | also another question. If I remove the harddrive from a laptop, connect it to one of those IDE -> USB adapters, install Debian on it from another computer then put the drive back in the laptop, will it work? Or does it break completely like when moving a Windows harddrive between two computers? |
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| 19:07.39 | poisonbit | mmm joss ¿do you know sinergy? it workls between different sessions... but i don't know if it would work betwen tty's |
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| 19:08.26 | joss | poisonbit, what about opengl and sinergy? |
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| 19:09.50 | poisonbit | joss at least it works with compiz :) |
| 19:10.11 | robokop | poisonbit: thanks for the tip, have my partitions back now |
| 19:10.37 | poisonbit | negge, if the hardisk is seen as "sda" by the laptop, would work |
| 19:10.50 | poisonbit | robokop, congratulations :) |
| 19:10.54 | joss | poisonbit, that seems to be a keyboard and mouse sharing utility.. |
| 19:11.00 | negge | poisonbit: it will be seen as /dev/hda... |
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| 19:11.14 | joss | poisonbit, i was thinking like redirecting a window to another computer or tty.. |
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| 19:11.21 | negge | poisonbit: but I should still be able to get to GRUB, from there I should be able to change which drive it's looking for the kernel |
| 19:11.33 | joss | poisonbit, http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:11.55 | poisonbit | robokop, i use to make a backlup of my mbr's (dd if=/dev/sda of=/root/mbr_sda.img bs=512 count=1) |
| 19:12.28 | poisonbit | negge, yes, manual editing may work |
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| 19:12.44 | joss | poisonbit, more thinking of gvid or such |
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| 19:13.02 | poisonbit | negge, can't you install over usb, floppy, network, hard disk partition, etc ? CD is not the uniq install media |
| 19:13.05 | JordiGH | What's the import program that gnome runs when you insert a card? |
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| 19:13.59 | negge | poisonbit: the problem is the computer in question is a really old laptop, it has no floppy, no network, a non-bootable CD-ROM and no USB drives. Booting from PCMCIA should work but I don't have the appropriate card. Installing the OS from another computer seems to be the only option |
| 19:14.01 | poisonbit | joss, see if i understand... you want something like "start foo in display bar", but that is show in every "sessions" ? |
| 19:14.31 | joss | poisonbit, yeah,,and opengl enabled..Xvfb isn't |
| 19:14.39 | poisonbit | negge, there is a "partition install" booting from other OS the laptop |
| 19:14.58 | JordiGH | gthumb |
| 19:15.00 | JordiGH | Thanks. |
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| 19:15.06 | joss | poisonbit, something like remoteglut but for glx.. |
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| 19:16.48 | poisonbit | i'm sorry joss, i've never try something like, i only give lose ideas :) |
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| 19:17.05 | poisonbit | negge, what OS has the laptop now ? |
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| 19:17.51 | joss | poisonbit, hehee, yeah i am running out of ideas myself also, chromium may do it, all others are loosing performance right away, som |
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| 19:19.07 | poisonbit | negge, for unix/linux, see: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 19:19.10 | poisonbit | for winlose: http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_windows_installer |
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| 19:19.38 | poisonbit | if not, try to install using the usb converter and then manually editing gub, fstab, etc |
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| 19:20.42 | poisonbit | joss: see that http://stackoverflow.com/questions/106201/how-can-i-run-an-opengl-application-installed-on-a-linux-machine-from-my-windows |
| 19:20.55 | poisonbit | it can has ideas |
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| 19:24.21 | poisonbit | joss, !!! |
| 19:24.28 | negge | poisonbit: I know I tried that. It had Windows 95 installed previously and I used "loadlin" to boot into DSL, but after reformatting the drives it said I had to restart the computer so the partition table could be re-read, and of course after rebooting I had no way of getting back into the OS again |
| 19:24.33 | poisonbit | glxgears is working under xnest in my machine |
| 19:25.34 | joss | poisonbit, no dri there, it's working slow..it needs an access to hardware |
| 19:25.51 | poisonbit | negge, try the usb converter, I've done similar instalaltions (but from ide to ide, so drive names keeps equal) |
| 19:26.06 | poisonbit | joss, 1104 fps (nvidia blob) |
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| 19:26.48 | joss | poisonbit, and main server gets? |
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| 19:26.50 | poisonbit | outch, full screen is slow, yes |
| 19:26.54 | joss | 13000 |
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| 19:27.09 | poisonbit | 80 fps in full screen |
| 19:27.20 | Belial2003 | hi. does someone here know, how to start x server on a headless machine? |
| 19:27.20 | poisonbit | sucks |
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| 19:28.20 | minamata | hi |
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| 19:28.48 | negge | poisonbit: I might have the possibility to get an IDE to IDE connector too, perhaps that would be better |
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| 19:29.20 | poisonbit | negge, i think that will be more easy, don't ? |
| 19:29.27 | poisonbit | if it is seen as hda... |
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| 19:30.01 | negge | it is seen as /dev/hda, I checked that when I managed to boot Linux that one time |
| 19:31.14 | poisonbit | so if you can run the installer as hda in other machine, all will be more easy, yes |
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| 19:34.13 | faffi | how do i make firefox and pidgin take kde 4.2 system colors |
| 19:34.33 | mustu | how to adjust mic volume? i couldn't find the mixer |
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| 19:34.51 | faffi | mustu: alsamixer or download kmix |
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| 19:35.00 | poisonbit | faffi, gtk2-engines-gtk-qt ? |
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| 19:35.17 | mustu | faffi: will kmix work on Gnome? |
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| 19:35.29 | faffi | mustu: good question, try to find an alternative |
| 19:35.42 | faffi | poisonbit: is that a package? |
| 19:36.18 | poisonbit | mustu, if you has alsa-utils installed, try "alsaconf" and then "alsactl store" in command line. |
| 19:36.43 | poisonbit | faffi, i think that yes, it was about gtk + kde integration |
| 19:36.53 | faffi | rgr |
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| 19:37.05 | poisonbit | faffi, but i can't help much more, i don't use kde years ago |
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| 19:37.40 | faffi | yeah i dont blame you |
| 19:37.47 | faffi | 4.2 is garbage |
| 19:38.11 | poisonbit | faffi, where i said alsaconf, i would want to say "alsamixer" |
| 19:38.11 | faffi | i wonder if i can downgrade |
| 19:38.20 | faffi | poisonbit: thought so :P |
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| 19:38.40 | poisonbit | mustu, where i said alsaconf, i would want to say "alsamixer" |
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| 19:39.41 | mustu | poisonbit: no it wasn't installed. now m installing |
| 19:40.45 | poisonbit | mustu, gnome and kde has graphicall mixers, and i remember that you can add and remove mixer controls somewhere |
| 19:41.00 | poisonbit | may be your mic iosn't show by default, but it's here |
| 19:41.41 | poisonbit | for command line, alsamixer is fine |
| 19:41.56 | poisonbit | it will show all available controls |
| 19:42.04 | mustu | poisonbit: yes i installed n now mic volume is fine. it was too low before |
| 19:42.13 | poisonbit | :) |
| 19:43.08 | poisonbit | I would like that someone with good english or networking skills, review this article and give some feedback, please |
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| 19:43.11 | poisonbit | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall |
| 19:44.38 | Kobaz | jgoo: that's a pretty easy thing to write |
| 19:44.39 | Kobaz | er |
| 19:45.04 | Mariusika | how can i install xmame-common on lenny? what do i change in source.list? |
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| 19:45.50 | poisonbit | Mariusika, you have to add non-free |
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| 19:46.23 | ersoy | hifi, i have got a problem, i dont use my camera (1394 port) |
| 19:46.27 | ersoy | hi i have got a problem, i dont use my camera (1394 port) |
| 19:46.33 | poisonbit | see an "aptitude show xmame-common" and look for the "Section:" line |
| 19:47.37 | poisonbit | Mariusika, you need something like: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
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| 19:48.21 | Mariusika | poisonbit: E: Unable to locate package xmame-common |
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| 19:48.42 | poisonbit | Mariusika, after add the non-free section, you need to run "aptitude update" |
| 19:48.43 | Mariusika | poisonbit: will try |
| 19:48.58 | poisonbit | you need to update first the package database |
| 19:49.06 | poisonbit | and then you can install non-free packages |
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| 19:53.53 | pyrohotdog | How can I run a script or program when the screensaver launches? |
| 19:54.55 | poisonbit | monitoring processes ? |
| 19:55.09 | poisonbit | pyrohotdog, what's the final clue ? |
| 19:55.34 | pyrohotdog | poisonbit: huh? I want to run motion when the screensaver comes on. |
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| 19:56.19 | poisonbit | I think in two solutions |
| 19:56.26 | poisonbit | one= monitoring process list |
| 19:56.33 | poisonbit | two=a wrapper |
| 19:56.51 | poisonbit | change /usr/bin/foo by a script |
| 19:57.06 | poisonbit | xscreen-saver or gnome-saver or wathever you use |
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| 19:57.26 | poisonbit | a script that launch "motion" and then foosaver "@" |
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| 19:57.29 | pyrohotdog | so replace gnome-screensaver with a script to launch gnome-screensaver and motion? |
| 19:57.38 | pyrohotdog | I see. |
| 19:57.38 | poisonbit | "@" will take all parameters of invocation |
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| 19:58.01 | war9407 | How do I restart udev (/etc/init.d/udev restart) does not fix permissions in /dev, e.g., I have multiple machines and a reboot fixed the permissions/etc after a reboot but I have other machines I do not wish to reboot to fix the problem, options? |
| 19:58.08 | poisonbit | pyrohotdog, motion & (to run in background and pass control to fooscreensaver) |
| 19:58.21 | poisonbit | with an "&" at the end |
| 19:58.38 | pyrohotdog | Okay. What's the lock option for gnome-screensaver? Just running the command launches the daemon. |
| 19:58.47 | pyrohotdog | the man page doesn't say. |
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| 19:59.15 | poisonbit | try gnome-screensaver-command --help |
| 19:59.15 | \amethyst | pyrohotdog: man gnome-screensaver-command |
| 19:59.17 | poisonbit | it says |
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| 19:59.36 | pyrohotdog | Oh! Thank you! |
| 20:00.22 | pyrohotdog | Okay that leads me to my next question. Just installed 5.0.1. Upon reboot, all I get is a grub prompt... |
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| 20:01.04 | pyrohotdog | Shouldn't the installer leave me with a working system after a successful install... |
| 20:02.01 | poisonbit | yes, it should |
| 20:02.36 | poisonbit | what do you call "grub prompt" ? a menu? a error line? |
| 20:03.10 | pyrohotdog | Says: grub> |
| 20:03.32 | huntal | debian vs. centos ??? the criteria is low sysem resources and old pc architecture,what u guys say? |
| 20:03.56 | poisonbit | pyrohotdog, may be you want to review logs before reboot the installer, (ctrl + alt + f2) |
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| 20:04.37 | poisonbit | pyrohotdog, if you launch the installer in "expert" mode, you may also choose grub, grub2, lilo, at bootloader stage |
| 20:04.39 | simNIX | no dfference; depend on what you install on it - with choosing between those 2 I think its more a choiche for deb's (aptitude) or rpm's (donno) |
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| 20:05.04 | pyrohotdog | poisonbit: will I have to reinstall? Or just reinstall grub? |
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| 20:05.38 | poisonbit | pyrohotdog, you can try to reinstall grub from these prompt, what i said was for a reinstallation, to debug the problem |
| 20:06.11 | huntal | ty simNIX |
| 20:06.41 | poisonbit | huntal, you can take an example pc and do some test, simulations, etc and compare |
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| 20:06.51 | simNIX | np |
| 20:07.26 | poisonbit | huntal, after install lenny I use to tune it to use about 12-16 mb of ram at the prompt |
| 20:07.52 | poisonbit | but this haven't clue about which of both will server more apache pages for example |
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| 20:08.31 | poisonbit | the more "scientific" method should be a "scientific" comparative in the same scenario |
| 20:08.48 | poisonbit | with similar configurations |
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| 20:09.47 | poisonbit | I haven't try CentOS, can't say much more, but Debian works fine in "old pc architecture" as you call it. |
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| 20:10.26 | aayala | hi i have a little trouble i have linux-image bigmem but doesnt detect 4gb of RAM on a 32 bits system |
| 20:10.26 | poisonbit | I've some PII, PIII running Debian at y work |
| 20:11.06 | poisonbit | aayala, does the BIOS see the 4G ? |
| 20:11.13 | aayala | yes |
| 20:11.20 | aayala | poisonbit yes |
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| 20:11.33 | simNIX | I have a linksys nslu2 running Debian - its a 266Mhz / 16Mb ram if im not mistaken |
| 20:11.34 | aayala | i only see 3.2 gb |
| 20:11.48 | aayala | cat /proc/meminfo | grep Total |
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| 20:12.03 | poisonbit | and uname -r say "bigmem" ? |
| 20:12.15 | aayala | yes |
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| 20:12.35 | poisonbit | is the cpu PAE capable ? |
| 20:12.36 | aayala | 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem |
| 20:12.46 | aayala | how i can check this ? |
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| 20:13.01 | poisonbit | there is a flaag in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:13.11 | poisonbit | but i don't remember wath is the flag |
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| 20:13.23 | jelly-home | aayala: grep flags /proc/cpuinfo|head -1 |
| 20:13.45 | jelly-home | poisonbit: unexpectedly, it's "pae" |
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| 20:13.59 | poisonbit | hehe |
| 20:14.34 | aayala | no nothing sat unexpectedly |
| 20:14.38 | aayala | *say |
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| 20:15.12 | poisonbit | grep pae /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:15.16 | aayala | incluse is pae on the words |
| 20:15.20 | poisonbit | ok |
| 20:15.36 | aayala | (sorry if my english is some buggy :P) |
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| 20:16.24 | sdcardgrub | my core duo 2 laptop does not support booting from an sd card. is there a way to configure grub to boot from the sd card (perhaps with extra software) like you do on an old laptop whose bios does not support booting from CD by configuring grub with a little help from smartbootmanager?? |
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| 20:16.37 | pyrohotdog | I really don't want to have to reinstall AGAIN...how can I just set grub up and boot the system I just installed? |
| 20:17.26 | poisonbit | aayala, dmesg | grep Memory ? |
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| 20:18.22 | poisonbit | pyrohotdog, using: root and setup at the grub prompt |
| 20:18.33 | poisonbit | it has builtin help |
| 20:18.36 | aayala | Memoy 3361028k/3399232k |
| 20:18.48 | jelly-home | sdcardgrub: grub itself would have to support reading your device |
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| 20:19.02 | aayala | sorry im on fluxbox copy and paste dont; work |
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| 20:19.11 | wamty | debian lenny doesn't support latest virtualbox guest extensions |
| 20:19.29 | poisonbit | aayala, it's strange... 32bit limit is 3,5G not 3,2... |
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| 20:20.01 | \amethyst | poisonbit: that depends on your BIOS |
| 20:20.03 | wamty | why? |
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| 20:20.20 | aayala | wamty check www.backports.org |
| 20:20.31 | jelly-home | wamty: ask vbox people? |
| 20:20.55 | pyrohotdog | I'm afraid "help root" and "help setup" weren't very helpful... |
| 20:20.56 | poisonbit | aayala, have you checked for BIOS firmware updates at the provider ? |
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| 20:21.17 | aayala | mm |
| 20:21.22 | aayala | how i can do that ? |
| 20:21.32 | jelly-home | pyrohotdog: there's that grub-install script which sometimes works |
| 20:21.41 | \amethyst | 3.2 GB just means you have ~ 0.8GB of memory-mapped stuff that isn't system RAM |
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| 20:21.54 | \amethyst | 3.5 GB means you have 0.5GB of such things |
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| 20:22.00 | simNIX | onboard vid card maybe ? |
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| 20:22.25 | aayala | amethyst but is posible to detect 4 gb ? |
| 20:22.26 | jelly-home | \amethyst: a bigmem kernel should make all 4GiB appear though |
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| 20:22.38 | \amethyst | yes, a bigmem kernel as jelly-home says |
| 20:22.46 | aayala | this computer is a toshiba satellite u205 |
| 20:22.56 | \amethyst | do all -686 kernels have bigmem these days? |
| 20:23.00 | jelly-home | \amethyst: and the user _has_ a bigmem kernel |
| 20:23.00 | jelly-home | <aayala> 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem |
| 20:23.03 | \amethyst | oh |
| 20:23.07 | \amethyst | sorry, missed that |
| 20:23.13 | pyrohotdog | So boot a livecd or and run grub-install? |
| 20:23.19 | poisonbit | vga shared memory ? |
| 20:23.32 | poisonbit | pyrohotdog, you can install it from the prompt |
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| 20:23.46 | aayala | poisonbit how i can check vga shared memory ? |
| 20:23.51 | pyrohotdog | the grub prompt? |
| 20:23.54 | jelly-home | pyrohotdog: boot a livecd, mount your debian somewhere, chroot, mount /proc, and grub-install |
| 20:24.35 | poisonbit | pyrohotdog, find grub.conf, then root (hd0,2) (or wathever partition "find" said), then setup (hd0) (for install in the disk mbr) |
| 20:24.44 | aayala | is strange the normal kernel ddetect the same as bigmen image |
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| 20:25.10 | poisonbit | pyrohotdog, also the jelly-home solution is valid to avoid install again |
| 20:25.24 | jelly-home | aayala: if your cpu is 64bit capable, you could try an -amd64 kernel |
| 20:25.36 | aayala | noup is a centrino duo |
| 20:25.52 | aayala | 32 bits system |
| 20:26.05 | simNIX | aayala, you can find in bios how much ram is given to onbard vga |
| 20:26.20 | aayala | i will try |
| 20:26.21 | simNIX | and see it shotly at post most likely |
| 20:26.36 | aayala | ok let see i will back |
| 20:26.39 | simNIX | *shortly |
| 20:26.44 | aayala | thanks for the help |
| 20:26.49 | aayala | i return |
| 20:26.50 | simNIX | np |
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| 20:28.40 | pyrohotdog | Okay I found a live cd, it's fedora, but it'll do. |
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| 20:28.58 | amphi | pyrohotdog: desperate times, eh? ;) |
| 20:29.06 | wamty | debian lenny doesn't support latest virtualbox guest extensions |
| 20:29.08 | wamty | ? |
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| 20:29.21 | pyrohotdog | Indeed. Had Fedora 10 installed, and well...it sucked...Debian rocks. |
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| 20:29.41 | faffi | hey guys, i just downgraded from kde4.2 to 3.5 and none of my windows have a bar to maximize/minimize etc |
| 20:29.46 | faffi | what package am i missing |
| 20:29.50 | ikonia | pyrohotdog: what part of fedora 10 did not impress you ? |
| 20:29.52 | wamty | debian lenny doesn't support latest virtualbox guest extensions ? |
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| 20:31.13 | pyrohotdog | ikonia: It's laid out well, nice features. But doesn't seem stable or fast. |
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| 20:31.36 | ikonia | pyrohotdog: interesting perception |
| 20:31.49 | pyrohotdog | OpenGL performance was terrible compared to Debian. |
| 20:32.18 | ryanCH1 | where can i get a stand alone qtcurve package for debian? |
| 20:32.20 | pyrohotdog | Entire system would come to a crawling halt while listening to music, surfing and chatting...unacceptable. |
| 20:32.46 | jelly-home | pyrohotdog: you were using it for wrong reasons, then |
| 20:33.06 | pyrohotdog | jelly-home: how do you figure? |
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| 20:33.26 | jelly-home | Fedora is pretty much about testing out latest technologies |
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| 20:34.40 | jelly-home | a misbehaving 'gl driver is not specific to any distro in general, but to particular versions of kernel, driver, and X used |
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| 20:35.30 | jelly-home | that is, you can get that issue or see it fixed, no matter the distro |
| 20:35.55 | pyrohotdog | Well regardless...I'm partial to Debian..:-P |
| 20:36.12 | melkart | if i installed debian with an encrypted /home partition and then, later want to install debian again and mount this encrypted partition as /home for my new installation.... how can i do it? i cant figure out how this works in debian installer |
| 20:36.16 | jelly-home | yeah, but for wrong reasons. You might get burned with Debian too |
| 20:37.02 | jelly-home | pyrohotdog: slow opengl isn't really distro's fault, and can be fixed without changing the whole OS. |
| 20:37.04 | pyrohotdog | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.18 | faffi | kwin isnt loading when I start kde :/ any ideas? |
| 20:38.19 | poisonbit | melkart, look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/PartmanCrypto |
| 20:38.52 | SmallR2003 | i have a new box which i'm about to complete and i was interested if anyone wished to advise me if i should use the on board raid (nvidia) or software |
| 20:39.21 | wamty | debian lenny doesn't support latest virtualbox guest extensions ? ? |
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| 20:40.21 | jelly-home | wamty: try reformulating your question, perhaps providing more data. Also try asking in #vbox if you're using their own build. |
| 20:40.27 | melkart | poisonbit: thank you a lot. does that mean, that it will come in squeeze, but lenny doesnt have it yet? |
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| 20:41.28 | poisonbit | melkart, it is general info about that part of the installer, lenny has it, also look at http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#partman-crypto and http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch07s02.html |
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| 20:41.34 | SmallR2003 | jelly-home! |
| 20:41.39 | jelly-home | pyrohotdog: just saying, the same thing might have happened on Debian with some other combination of hardware, Linux drivers are unstable that way. You were just unlucky. |
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| 20:41.44 | SmallR2003 | i got you into using bottlecap didn't i? |
| 20:42.09 | jelly-home | SmallR2003: I didn't uninstall it yet, if that's what you mean |
| 20:42.25 | poisonbit | SmallR2003, for lenny it is recomended to use software raid before fake-raids |
| 20:42.31 | SmallR2003 | well, attempting to use it :p |
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| 20:42.36 | navaati | hello |
| 20:42.38 | jelly-home | SmallR2003: but am I using the features? Not really. ;-) |
| 20:42.41 | SmallR2003 | you should try the latest svn commit some time |
| 20:43.16 | SmallR2003 | neither am i, i use clone detection and geo-location |
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| 20:43.22 | jelly-home | k, will check it out when I'm at that machine |
| 20:43.38 | navaati | did someone ever have a kernel panic when rebooting after a suspend-to-disk ? |
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| 20:47.06 | pyrohotdog | Okay so I'm booted on a live cd. I need to mount /proc and my debian install's root? |
| 20:47.15 | pyrohotdog | Mind you I setup LVM and encryption... |
| 20:47.26 | simNIX | and chroot to it ... |
| 20:47.27 | SmallR2003 | poisonbit, how does the 'fake-raid' thing work? |
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| 20:49.27 | poisonbit | SmallR2003, it is experimental for lenny (or that says the wiki) |
| 20:49.39 | poisonbit | SmallR2003, normally it needs drivers or firmware to work |
| 20:50.01 | poisonbit | software raid is well probed, stable and just works |
| 20:50.17 | poisonbit | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
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| 20:51.24 | poisonbit | In my last experiences, I desabled bios "sata" raid and configure software raid trought the d-installer |
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| 20:52.06 | poisonbit | If the raid controller is supported as "raid controller" by the debian kernel, then use the bios raid :) |
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| 20:54.41 | luke3321 | Hey all, I have a computer with 4gb of ram and a 64 bit enabled processor. Is it worth it to switch to 64 bit? |
| 20:55.07 | poisonbit | you can install a amd64 kernel on x86 debian |
| 20:55.09 | Polarina | luke3321: Yes. |
| 20:55.22 | poisonbit | or reinstall completely the system as amd64 userland |
| 20:55.23 | pyrohotdog | Okay I unlocked the boot partition, and mounted the root partition, how/where do I mount /proc? |
| 20:55.49 | Polarina | luke3321: Not only can you access more than 3 GiB of RAM, but applications will have 8 extra general purpose registers to use. |
| 20:56.01 | luke3321 | poisonbit: There is no way to convert a existing install to 64 bit? |
| 20:56.10 | Polarina | luke3321: No. |
| 20:56.24 | poisonbit | formating it :) |
| 20:56.31 | luke3321 | Haha yes |
| 20:56.40 | luke3321 | but I have my setup the way I like it.... |
| 20:56.53 | Polarina | luke3321: Then set it up again. I do that all the time. |
| 20:56.56 | poisonbit | and you don't have backups, true ? |
| 20:57.07 | simNIX | save /etc and /home and most is save |
| 20:57.09 | luke3321 | poisonbit: I do have some whole disk backups |
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| 20:57.39 | pyrohotdog | Okay nevermind I mounted proc. Now what... |
| 20:57.50 | simNIX | chroot |
| 20:57.59 | pyrohotdog | Okay. Done. |
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| 20:58.06 | simNIX | grub |
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| 20:58.14 | poisonbit | luke3321, system configurations should be in /etc (if you don't use hand compiled software in /usr/local) and your configurations are in your $HOME |
| 20:58.28 | jelly-home | luke3321: also, /msg dpkg aptitude close |
| 20:58.31 | jelly-home | argh |
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| 20:58.36 | luke3321 | What about package compatibility? |
| 20:58.40 | jelly-home | luke3321: sorry, /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 20:58.46 | luke3321 | poisonbit: There isnt that much to set up |
| 20:58.52 | luke3321 | poisonbit: Im just lazy |
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| 20:59.04 | pyrohotdog | Uhm I typed grub and got the same thing I get on boot. |
| 20:59.10 | earthian | Hello, I have freshly installed debian lenny on my server and then tried installing 2.6.29 kernel from sid with success. However I have now this problem: I am running a software raid and in 2.6.26 the system boots up OK, but in 2.6.29 /dev/hdb is missing so the md array fails. Any idea what is going on?? |
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| 20:59.45 | poisonbit | luke3321, If you're lazy, you should automate your installs using presed, and a late_command whit a mega-script to put all your things :-D |
| 21:00.13 | luke3321 | poisonbit: Not that lazy ;) |
| 21:00.42 | simNIX | pxe+preseed = realy a great asset - ) |
| 21:00.44 | luke3321 | But what about package compatability? How many packages are availble in 64 bit? |
| 21:00.56 | poisonbit | preseed also saves time when shit happens |
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| 21:01.10 | simNIX | luke; if needed you can run 32 bit on 64 if in mot mistaken |
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| 21:01.47 | luke3321 | simNIX: I have heard that too |
| 21:01.58 | dmoerner | luke3321, about 98.8% percent of packages, https://buildd.debian.org/stats/graph-week-big.png |
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| 21:02.29 | poisonbit | luke3321, 30142 packages in x86, 29746 in amd64 debian lenny |
| 21:03.03 | luke3321 | Thats close enough for me. And those that are not included can be ran as 32 bit? |
| 21:03.08 | poisonbit | (using tab tab whit aptitude show, non-free and contrib enabled) |
| 21:03.13 | pyrohotdog | How do I install grub now.. |
| 21:03.26 | miiperd | how do I make a new ssl cert for apache? |
| 21:03.44 | earthian | so.. can anybody help me with the problem? where am I making a mistake after installing linux-image-2.6.29-2-686 from sid repo? |
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| 21:04.09 | dmoerner | earthian, why do you think you are making a mistake? are you not running sid? |
| 21:04.18 | luke3321 | What about sid vs squeeze? and advice there? |
| 21:04.21 | earthian | dmoerner, i am runing lenny |
| 21:04.50 | earthian | and *only* kernel from sid, as i need 2.6.29 for all of my hardware to be working |
| 21:05.26 | dmoerner | earthian, i dont know how well 2.6.29 interacts with the lenny xserver since they started to integrate kms into the kernel |
| 21:05.29 | dmoerner | other than that you're probably fine |
| 21:05.33 | earthian | the thing is that somehow /dev/hda is being detected at boot time, also /dev/hdc which is the cdrom... but not /dev/hdb |
| 21:05.40 | simNIX | IMHO sid = unstable only if you like brakiges and help develop I think a choice - squeeze = testing = more stable choice to try out whats conmming |
| 21:05.48 | earthian | xserver? |
| 21:05.59 | pyrohotdog | I'm confused. The first partition is marked bootable, and contains what appears to be a complete grub install, kernel, menu.lst.....but I can't boot!! |
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| 21:06.34 | careta | hello |
| 21:06.49 | WastePotato | Hi. |
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| 21:07.09 | luke3321 | simNIX: I am on testing now, and I think thats what Im gonna go with |
| 21:07.16 | djcip | why do we put www. in our web address? like why was it ever designed like that? |
| 21:07.22 | luke3321 | Thanks for the help, off to a 64 bit reinstall! |
| 21:07.32 | careta | im going to make a new fs on the root partition. i rsynched the root fs to my usbdrive, ignoring /proc, /dev and /sys. after the mkfs and restoring the fs with rsync, should i create these directories, or are they created at boot time? |
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| 21:08.29 | navaati | you must create the empty directories, but they are filled at boot time |
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| 21:10.06 | careta | thanks navaati |
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| 21:25.42 | miiperd | what is the .pem file with ssl? |
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| 21:27.29 | amphi | miiperd: 'Privacy Enhanced Mail (PSRG, RFC 1421/1422/1423/1424)' quoth dict |
| 21:27.31 | smarf | hello, I change the dns in network manager (and even resolv.conf) though this application changes it back to the previous configuration. Any clues? |
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| 21:34.41 | Ricky_RocK | what is the command to remove all dir ? i try rm -rf *.* and it delete only files |
| 21:35.20 | jpinx | Ricky_RocK: rmdir removes empty dirs |
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| 21:35.54 | jpinx | or rm -R for everything ;) |
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| 21:36.12 | jpinx | be careful Ricky_RocK ;) |
| 21:36.23 | Ricky_RocK | thank |
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| 21:37.13 | schmrz | Hello Everyone. I just connect my old CRT monitor to my laptop and everything is fine, except that the resolution is same on both displays. How can I change only the CRT's resolution? |
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| 21:37.29 | schmrz | I'm using an ATI graphics card |
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| 21:37.59 | earthian | I have this problem: stock lenny kernel 2.6.26 is detecting both my HDDs: hda and hdb while stock sid kernel 2.6.29 is detecting ONLY hda and not hdb. Any idea why?? |
| 21:38.03 | earthian | Is this a bug? |
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| 21:40.09 | earthian | Any idea how to find out why? I get booted in (initramfs) system with 2.6.29 |
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| 21:41.29 | poisonbit | earthian, it can be a lot of things, not only the kernel, it may be initramfs, changes, etc... you are supposed to know how to debugg if you're in sid |
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| 21:41.58 | earthian | poisonbit, i am in lenny, i was just trying to use sid's kernel,i.e.2.6.29 |
| 21:42.22 | poisonbit | sid packages are for sid |
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| 21:42.45 | poisonbit | if you want a recent kernel in lenny, use backports.org, kmuto d-i images or compile your own |
| 21:43.03 | poisonbit | but compile it using kernel-package from lenny |
| 21:43.59 | earthian | ok |
| 21:44.01 | earthian | thanks! |
| 21:44.12 | poisonbit | 2.6.26 to 2.6.29... and lenny to sid... all this may mean a _lot_ of (not compatible) changes |
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| 21:44.30 | earthian | i was not upgrading lenny to sid |
| 21:44.42 | smarf | hello, I change the dns in network manager (and even resolv.conf) though this application changes it back to the previous configuration. Any clues? |
| 21:44.47 | earthian | i just installed the linux-image-2.6.29 package |
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| 21:45.55 | poisonbit | earthian, you have 2.6.29 packages in backports.org for lenny |
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| 21:46.15 | earthian | poisonbit, i am going to use that right away :) |
| 21:46.31 | poisonbit | smarf, DHCP ? |
| 21:46.51 | poisonbit | dhcp client may overwrite your manual changes to resolv.conf |
| 21:47.05 | smarf | yes |
| 21:47.12 | smarf | how can I change that? |
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| 21:48.14 | poisonbit | smarf, you may use a hock under /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-*-hooks.d |
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| 21:48.48 | smarf | aha let me check that |
| 21:48.48 | aayala | :'( |
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| 21:49.37 | aayala | i can't detect 4gb of ram on debian lenny using bigmem linux-image on 32 bit system |
| 21:49.39 | poisonbit | smarf, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/dhclient-etcresolvconf-hooks/ |
| 21:49.48 | keith4_ | smarf, i use, for example, "supersede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;" on my router |
| 21:50.00 | smarf | ok |
| 21:50.30 | keith4_ | because my ISPs name servers do lame-ass web-search advertising for nonexistant domains |
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| 21:50.42 | poisonbit | aayala, that should be a hardware-related issue. Debian leeny bigmem _detects_ 4G of ram if available and hardware is capable. |
| 21:51.03 | aayala | but i have the flag pae |
| 21:51.13 | keith4_ | the BIOS can still screw you |
| 21:51.23 | aayala | in BIOS says 4096 |
| 21:52.16 | keith4_ | i have a box with 4G... free -m says: total 3550, even with PAE kernel |
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| 21:52.18 | mallxs | what command do i have jto use to create encrypted password so i can use it in useradd -p ? |
| 21:52.23 | poisonbit | aayala, can you try a debian-live amd64 ? |
| 21:52.31 | bla | Anybody had problems with public_html and selinux? Don't know even what to ask for |
| 21:52.43 | aayala | but is 32 system but ok why no |
| 21:53.08 | aayala | i will going to donwload netinstall |
| 21:53.17 | earthian | poisonbit, do you fast recall what is the host for lenny-backports? if not nevermind..i will use backports.org |
| 21:53.34 | keith4_ | deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 21:53.45 | earthian | thanks |
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| 21:54.03 | aayala | how i can check if my laptop is a 32 o 64 system ? |
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| 21:54.10 | aayala | toshiba satellite u205 |
| 21:54.24 | poisonbit | mallxs, see the man page, it says that |
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| 21:55.02 | emes | how can I find the version of debian running if I don't have read access to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 21:55.15 | dmoerner | emes, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:55.21 | unop | !tell emes about version |
| 21:55.34 | dmoerner | but that won't tell you sid or squeeze, apt-cache policy can do that for you though |
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| 21:56.04 | poisonbit | aayala, grep lm /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:56.31 | unop | hmm, $ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:56.31 | unop | squeeze/sid |
| 21:56.44 | aayala | poisonbit a lot of flags |
| 21:56.50 | emes | $ cat debian_version |
| 21:56.50 | emes | 99 |
| 21:56.56 | unop | heh |
| 21:57.13 | kc8pxy | I'm having trouble installing vbox guest extentions to a 32-lenny guest, all my other guest linux's have not had any issues, but I'm getting permission denied, even as root. what's goofed up? |
| 21:57.15 | poisonbit | emes, also lsb_release -a (if lsb-release is installed) |
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| 21:57.40 | mallxs | poisonbit: I only see crypt(3) or encrypt(3) pointing to a C function but i expect someone already has put this in small util ? |
| 21:57.42 | amphi | aayala: do the flags include 'lm' (if it's an intel cpu) ? |
| 21:57.47 | emes | poisonbit: it's not |
| 21:57.50 | aayala | yes |
| 21:57.57 | aayala | centrino duo |
| 21:57.58 | amphi | aayala: then it's 64bit |
| 21:58.00 | poisonbit | aayala, so it is amd64 capable |
| 21:58.18 | aayala | realy ? |
| 21:58.27 | amphi | aayala: if that was 'yes' to my 'lm |
| 21:58.29 | aayala | why this machine has vista 32 system ? |
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| 21:58.30 | amphi | question |
| 21:58.40 | aayala | crap |
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| 21:58.52 | kc8pxy | aayala: OEM choice? |
| 21:58.54 | aayala | then i have 64 processor ? |
| 21:59.04 | aayala | yes is OEM on serial |
| 21:59.12 | aayala | but i dont want install vista |
| 21:59.16 | aayala | i try debian 64 |
| 21:59.29 | aayala | 54% downloading netinstall |
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| 21:59.42 | poisonbit | aayala, you can try an amd64 debian-live first |
| 21:59.45 | emes | it has libc6 version 2.3.6.ds1-11 |
| 21:59.48 | earthian | poisonbit, kernel from the backports failed the same way as from sid!! |
| 21:59.48 | kc8pxy | aayala: the reason it has 32-vista insted of 64-vista is probably just the choice of the OEM vendor. |
| 22:00.10 | aayala | debian-live ? |
| 22:00.20 | aayala | like ubuntu or knoppix ? |
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| 22:00.46 | poisonbit | earthian, then... check the pacage documentation, in special README.Debian if exist |
| 22:00.49 | kc8pxy | aayala: a cd that runs debian without installing to the drive.. it will crap out if you don't have a 64-bit-capable processor |
| 22:01.11 | aayala | ok i will going to download then |
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| 22:01.30 | aayala | i choise amd64 folder |
| 22:01.32 | aayala | ? |
| 22:01.40 | aayala | but is intel |
| 22:01.41 | poisonbit | aayala, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 22:02.10 | poisonbit | standard iso is 95M |
| 22:02.18 | aayala | ok realy thanks :D |
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| 22:02.45 | aayala | to burn |
| 22:03.01 | aayala | on debian is using dd if=iso of=dev/cdrom |
| 22:03.11 | aayala | sorry i have a lot of time using windows |
| 22:03.25 | aayala | its correct this to burn ? |
| 22:03.40 | aayala | no |
| 22:03.45 | aayala | this to generate iso file |
| 22:03.54 | Anne | I just tried to install a program from source, but ./configure reported I had not installed glib2-devel. So I tried 'sudo apt-get install glib2-devel' but apt-get cannot find it, What should I try now? |
| 22:04.19 | aayala | cdrecord |
| 22:04.23 | kc8pxy | aayala: backwards. if a cd is in the drive, if is source.. |
| 22:04.34 | poisonbit | Anne, libglib2.0-dev |
| 22:05.18 | Anne | poisonbit: thanks |
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| 22:05.59 | poisonbit | aayala, don't be afraid by the "amd" in the name, Intel also is supported is the procesor is 64bit capabe, as you can see in http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 22:06.11 | aayala | ok thanks guys |
| 22:06.15 | emes | why is python 2.6 not in unstable? |
| 22:06.30 | aayala | 6 min to get debian lenny live |
| 22:06.32 | aayala | :D |
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| 22:06.59 | poisonbit | emes, because it isn't in experimental nor in NEW ? |
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| 22:07.20 | poisonbit | it is not packaged jet ? |
| 22:07.28 | emes | poisonbit: it seems like it's in experimental |
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| 22:07.48 | poisonbit | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python&searchon=names&suite=experimental§ion=all |
| 22:08.04 | Anne | poisonbit: how about libxml2-devel? |
| 22:08.37 | Anne | nvm... that just worked |
| 22:08.45 | emes | poisonbit: python2.6 was released in october, it's not that new |
| 22:08.45 | poisonbit | Anne, use aptitude search libxml2 and look for -dev |
| 22:09.16 | Anne | i tried that on glib.... but it is cmdline and i cannot work wit aptitude cmdline |
| 22:09.17 | poisonbit | emes, if you really need it, may be you can help to the mantainer, and the mantainers of the related packages... |
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| 22:09.48 | poisonbit | Anne, aptitude seach is similar to apt-cache search. You will find the package |
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| 22:10.12 | Anne | poisonbit: ok... i'll try that, thanks |
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| 22:10.35 | poisonbit | you're welcome |
| 22:10.46 | goldenlight | when i plug in a usb device, where does the device show up so i can know the name of the device to mount ? |
| 22:10.56 | poisonbit | goldenlight, dmesg |
| 22:11.24 | infomomo | hey guys, i am hagving trouble adding option 120 for SIP servers to my DHCP server? anyone has the dhcpd.conf configuration line? |
| 22:11.39 | poisonbit | goldenlight, if you are in a desktop environment, there are packages to mount it auto-magicaly |
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| 22:12.15 | themill | !automount |
| 22:12.15 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount>, or <halevt> |
| 22:12.30 | lunk | good evening, i'm experiencing some difficulty getting samba to authenticate correctly after upgrading from etch to lenny |
| 22:13.11 | poisonbit | lunk, then you should review /usr/share/doc for changes, readmes, example files, etc |
| 22:14.05 | poisonbit | lunk, that should be any specific configuration, because if not, debconf should have stoped during the upgrade to ask you about smb.conf changes |
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| 22:15.08 | lunk | yea, i didn't let it change my config file and now only 'homes' shares work and none of the others will authenticate |
| 22:15.52 | poisonbit | lunk, and when you didn't let it change your config, did you use the view the difss functionality ? |
| 22:16.03 | poisonbit | diffs |
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| 22:16.43 | unitypunk_ | gah |
| 22:16.54 | unitypunk_ | my external usb drive keeps disappearing |
| 22:17.14 | poisonbit | unitypunk_, power management in usb ports ? |
| 22:17.25 | aayala | ok finish download and finish burn iso i reboot using lenny live amd64 |
| 22:17.29 | unitypunk_ | what do ya mean? |
| 22:17.31 | unitypunk_ | its a desktop |
| 22:17.37 | unitypunk_ | shouldnt need any power managment. |
| 22:17.40 | aayala | thansk i return |
| 22:17.47 | aayala | thanksso much everyone |
| 22:17.48 | poisonbit | unitypunk_, some BIOS deactivate usb ports when iddle |
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| 22:18.09 | unitypunk_ | well |
| 22:18.12 | unitypunk_ | i have the terminal open |
| 22:18.24 | poisonbit | unitypunk_, anyway, you should review log files when the issue happens |
| 22:18.24 | unitypunk_ | is there a way i can check from there? |
| 22:18.37 | unitypunk_ | i always knotice like an hour later. |
| 22:18.44 | unitypunk_ | where would the log be? |
| 22:18.48 | poisonbit | usb ports power management is done at BIOS level, not in your shell |
| 22:19.01 | unitypunk_ | ohh |
| 22:19.03 | unitypunk_ | i see |
| 22:19.06 | unitypunk_ | brb |
| 22:19.09 | poisonbit | the logs are under /var/log, you may want to check kernel.log, dmesh, etc |
| 22:19.25 | poisonbit | dmesg |
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| 22:22.11 | Anne | poisonbit: How about GTK2? |
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| 22:22.33 | Anne | i cannot find the install pakage for gtk2-dev |
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| 22:23.03 | poisonbit | libgtk2.0-dev |
| 22:23.05 | poisonbit | :) |
| 22:23.13 | Anne | DOH |
| 22:23.24 | poisonbit | what search sentence where you using ? |
| 22:23.36 | Anne | gtk2 |
| 22:24.01 | poisonbit | mmm it should match, but with a lot of packages also |
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| 22:24.24 | Anne | that's why i could not find the right one... and aptitude a do not understand |
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| 22:24.54 | mrbond | anyone remember the command for aptitude clone - so i can clone the system? |
| 22:25.04 | themill | dpkg: tell mrbond about aptitude clone |
| 22:25.37 | poisonbit | mrbond, you can also use dpkg (--get-selections, --set-selection, etc) |
| 22:25.38 | unitypunk_ | nothing about usb power off on idle |
| 22:25.41 | sanmarcos | GOOOOL |
| 22:25.46 | mrbond | themill thanks bro |
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| 22:25.50 | unitypunk_ | but i rebooted and the device isnt there still |
| 22:26.25 | mrbond | poisonbit, true, but the commands on here are the way that i remember how to do it, but thank you too |
| 22:26.28 | themill | poisonbit: the advantage of using aptitude is that the status of "automatically installed" packages is then maintained |
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| 22:27.15 | unitypunk_ | so where has my usb device gone.. |
| 22:27.18 | mrbond | but thank you guys for the help |
| 22:27.33 | poisonbit | unitypunk_, use tail -f tail -f /var/log/kern.log, and then plug the usb, or wait for messages in the tail console when the device dissapears |
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| 22:28.56 | aayala | i don't belive |
| 22:29.10 | aayala | i have x86_64 laptop |
| 22:29.10 | poisonbit | aayala, amd64 or not ? |
| 22:29.13 | poisonbit | :) |
| 22:29.13 | aayala | yes |
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| 22:29.15 | aayala | :D |
| 22:29.16 | unitypunk_ | what am i looking for |
| 22:29.21 | unitypunk_ | appears to have connected fine. |
| 22:29.27 | poisonbit | aayala, and the livecd sees the 4G ? |
| 22:29.31 | aayala | so i need to reinstall debian using netinstall amd64 |
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| 22:29.36 | nkuttler | themill: like apt-get autoremove? |
| 22:29.39 | aayala | ups i dont check that :S |
| 22:29.40 | aayala | jajaja |
| 22:29.42 | aayala | haha |
| 22:29.54 | poisonbit | aayala, check first if it see the the ram better than the bigmem kernel |
| 22:30.02 | poisonbit | right ? |
| 22:30.05 | aayala | ok |
| 22:30.07 | aayala | thanks |
| 22:30.12 | aayala | i will back |
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| 22:30.22 | poisonbit | may be that the kernel or userland is not the problem, and is a hardware issue |
| 22:30.22 | themill | nkuttler: yes. That information is not preserved if you use dpkg --set-selections etc |
| 22:30.54 | poisonbit | dpkg: tell poisonbit about aptitude clone |
| 22:30.57 | nkuttler | themill: but aptitude handles in that case anyway? |
| 22:31.05 | nkuttler | handles it* |
| 22:31.30 | poisonbit | cool |
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| 22:31.57 | unitypunk_ | poisonbit, when i unpluged it and repluged it in |
| 22:32.01 | unitypunk_ | it came back |
| 22:32.08 | unitypunk_ | but didnt mount itself. |
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| 22:32.31 | themill | nkuttler: it can only handle that information if it knows what was automatically installed and what wasn't. dpkg --get-selections gives a list of installed packages (not just manually installed packages). dpkg --set-selections marks the packages as being installed. The information about installed manually or automatically has been lost. |
| 22:33.49 | nkuttler | themill: hm, then i fail to see how aptitude's autoremove feature is an advantage vs. apt-get |
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| 22:34.11 | betz | Can someone explain me, do i have to be root to aptitude install something? |
| 22:34.12 | themill | nkuttler: perhaps you missed the context of the question... |
| 22:34.17 | nkuttler | themill: that may be |
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| 22:34.54 | nkuttler | themill: ah, i see |
| 22:35.10 | poisonbit | nkuttler, themill, ok we have the packages and dependencies... now debconf selections (the "blue" questions): |
| 22:35.12 | poisonbit | # debconf-get-selections --installer > file |
| 22:35.13 | poisonbit | # debconf-get-selections >> file |
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| 22:36.13 | poisonbit | then debconf-set-selections, a good backup, and we have all :) |
| 22:37.24 | poisonbit | -get-selections is in the debconf-utils package |
| 22:40.23 | poisonbit | mmm the --installer line will be only util for an automated install i think. |
| 22:40.52 | poisonbit | without --installer will give the _packages_ debconf responses |
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| 23:01.48 | PDani | hi |
| 23:02.34 | PDani | i try to batch-rename some files with rename command-line tool. is there a way to increase a counter, and append it to the filenames? |
| 23:04.01 | Anne | is there a way to get just one report from ./configure with all libs/progs it misses? |
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| 23:05.06 | themill | PDani: krename can certainly do that. I presume it's possible to convince rename to do so too... |
| 23:05.44 | Anne | how do I install libcurl_headers? |
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| 23:06.29 | themill | Anne: they'll be in a libcurl -dev package. "apt-cache search libcurl dev" |
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| 23:07.46 | cirzgamanti | hi, any recommendations for a package that will let me display eg. hindi unicode in firefox? |
| 23:08.20 | Anne | themill: will libcurl3-dbg work? |
| 23:09.34 | themill | Anne: etch? lenny? |
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| 23:10.01 | Anne | latest |
| 23:10.59 | themill | !latest |
| 23:10.59 | dpkg | i heard latest is not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by version number - that's what it's for. Refer to debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'woody' (3.0), 'sarge' (3.1), 'etch' (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (testing!), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 23:11.29 | Anne | themill: Etch i gues |
| 23:11.47 | Anne | nope... it's lenny |
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| 23:12.05 | themill | Anne: I don't know which specific version of libcurl you're looking for, but I'd have guessed "libcurl4-openssl-dev" |
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| 23:12.50 | Anne | i gues that'll work... trying ./configure aggain to find out what the next pacage is I have to install :( |
| 23:13.05 | themill | What are you trying to build? |
| 23:13.13 | Anne | nntpgrab |
| 23:13.25 | Anne | on a arm pc |
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| 23:14.32 | Anne | now my intltool is to old... :S |
| 23:15.33 | UncleBob | Um, if I have a Core 2 Duo and want a 64-bit Debian system, which installer do I get? I don't see x86-64? |
| 23:15.49 | nsadmin | UncleBob: amd64 |
| 23:15.50 | Polarina | UncleBob: amd64 |
| 23:15.57 | themill | UncleBob: either i386 or amd64 depending on whether you want 32 or 64 bits |
| 23:16.19 | Polarina | themill: Stop that, he clearly stated he wanted 64-bit... |
| 23:16.21 | UncleBob | I have to reinstall from scratch if I got the i386 version? =( |
| 23:16.30 | Polarina | UncleBob: Yes. |
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| 23:16.42 | UncleBob | Okay... thanks everyone. =) |
| 23:16.50 | nsadmin | I thought it was a good response! he gave the choices! :) |
| 23:16.58 | themill | Polarina: ? |
| 23:17.00 | Anne | amd64, that works on a Core2duo? |
| 23:17.13 | nsadmin | sure does |
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| 23:17.28 | UncleBob | I was thinking it would be ia64 if anything. =/ |
| 23:17.32 | Polarina | Anne: Yes. |
| 23:17.37 | Anne | isnt core 2 dua Pentium? |
| 23:17.39 | nsadmin | no, that's an itanium |
| 23:17.43 | Polarina | UncleBob: ia64 is a whole another architecture. |
| 23:17.46 | themill | !why amd64 |
| 23:17.47 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. At the time, Intel wanted nothing to do with it and developed IA64 instead. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64. |
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| 23:18.32 | nsadmin | themill, interesting... so intel caved... |
| 23:18.36 | Anne | has ./confiure a option to just list all missing/old libs/progs? |
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| 23:18.49 | themill | nsadmin: pretty much |
| 23:18.59 | nsadmin | when did that happen? |
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| 23:19.33 | bzed | Anne: not really |
| 23:19.35 | nsadmin | Anne: well you have to run it pretty much normally with the options you want, that's the way to at least list the first one |
| 23:19.40 | bzed | Anne: run it and see what it whines about |
| 23:19.58 | UncleBob | There's really no instruction set difference between the Intel and AMD 64-bit chips? Hmm. |
| 23:20.02 | themill | !auto-apt |
| 23:20.03 | dpkg | hmm... auto-apt is very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=auto-apt&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 23:20.04 | nsadmin | and there WILL be cheese with the whine... |
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| 23:20.42 | Anne | after every error ./configure quits, so I install the missing package and ente r./configure aggain for the next error... ran it over 12 times now |
| 23:21.21 | bzed | Anne: welcome to the ugly world of autotools |
| 23:21.28 | bzed | Anne: what are you trying to build? |
| 23:21.28 | nsadmin | Anne: what you can do is look at the README or INSTALL (or possibly other) doc in the source dir; it should tell you the requirements |
| 23:21.30 | Anne | hehe |
| 23:21.41 | hatter_au | i haver just installed a minimal X with fluxbox and iceweasel for a kiosk application, the screen keeps powering down after 10 minutes, then when i hit a key it comes back on, what is doing this ? |
| 23:21.43 | Anne | trying to build nntpgrab on an arm |
| 23:21.49 | Anne | proc |
| 23:22.01 | Turl1 | Hi, I'm looking to get a package updated |
| 23:22.07 | Turl1 | is this the correct channel for that? |
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| 23:22.57 | bzed | Anne: http://svn.openftd.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/Usenetsearch/README.txt?view=markup mentions some build-deps... |
| 23:23.02 | nsadmin | Turl1: what's your /etc/debian_version and what package and version is it? |
| 23:23.05 | bzed | Turl1: updated in? |
| 23:23.26 | Anne | php-config - Your configuration's swiss-army knife.... lol :| ? |
| 23:23.34 | bzed | Anne: eww. php. |
| 23:23.45 | Anne | ./config sais it needs it |
| 23:23.45 | Turl1 | nsadmin: I'm not on debian currently |
| 23:23.52 | Turl1 | bzed: updated in the debian repos |
| 23:24.13 | bzed | Turl1: why do you need a debian package updated if you don't use dbeian? |
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| 23:24.25 | nsadmin | Turl1: so you're the upstream author? |
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| 23:24.41 | Turl1 | bzed: I use a debian derivative, so I think updating it in debian would benefit more people :) |
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| 23:25.21 | Turl1 | nsadmin: I'm not the upstream author |
| 23:25.30 | nsadmin | Turl1: one resource is packages.debian.org |
| 23:25.38 | bzed | Turl1: so what do you want to have updated? |
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| 23:25.48 | nsadmin | you can see what version of the package is in what version of debian |
| 23:26.02 | Turl1 | bzed: the "proxychains" package |
| 23:26.08 | Turl1 | its maintainer never updated it |
| 23:26.26 | bzed | Turl1: and depending on what you use (I guess ubuntu!?) it may not go in there automatically from debian, as they're sometimes smartasses and take their time to break the package first before including it |
| 23:26.45 | themill | !dbugs 388448 |
| 23:26.49 | dpkg | #388448:N[proxychains] proxychains: Newer version available (); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:33:01 UTC [] |
| 23:27.01 | bzed | Turl1: ok, I'll point the mia team on that... |
| 23:27.29 | Turl1 | bzed: I can provide you with a diff.gz so they can update it |
| 23:27.35 | bzed | Turl1: so it is at least orphaned and somebody else can take care of it. the maintainer is MIA obviously.. |
| 23:27.51 | Turl1 | what's MIA, might I ask? |
| 23:27.58 | nsadmin | Turl1: missing in action |
| 23:28.02 | bzed | Turl1: send the diff to bug #388448 |
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| 23:29.00 | nsadmin | if there's already a newer version it's better for trust and stability if the diff or just the new version is picked up from the upstream |
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| 23:29.50 | bzed | nsadmin: I think Turl1 means the content of the debian folder needed to update the package |
| 23:30.02 | nsadmin | ohh |
| 23:30.24 | bzed | Turl1: have a look at http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=chihchun@kalug.linux.org.tw#proxychains in a few days, if it is orphaned then, you could step up and become the maintainer of it :) |
| 23:30.28 | nsadmin | hmm, perhaps the upstream can be talked into maintaining that :) |
| 23:31.00 | bzed | Net Creature, Proxy Labs |
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| 23:31.06 | bzed | never heard that name |
| 23:31.25 | themill | nsadmin: upstream including a debian/ directory in their tarballs makes life much more difficult for packaging. |
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| 23:32.25 | bzed | Turl1: I guess it is orphaned in a few minutes :) |
| 23:32.32 | nsadmin | unless upstream becomes the maint |
| 23:32.52 | themill | nsadmin: it still shouldn't be in the tarball |
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| 23:33.54 | CuBe0wL | umm... guys, in case anybody knows... where the hell has almost 50% of KDE3 packages gone from testing? |
| 23:34.09 | CuBe0wL | I can't install a simple program like kwrite |
| 23:34.20 | nsadmin | CuBe0wL: maybe it was removed? |
| 23:34.35 | CuBe0wL | forcing me to change to kde4 ? |
| 23:34.39 | CuBe0wL | why? |
| 23:35.19 | nsadmin | wait, this is about you? meaning debian wanted you to change? |
| 23:35.27 | nsadmin | let's drop that part :) |
| 23:35.48 | themill | If you want stable, then use "stable"; if you want bleeding edge, then use "testing" and get it. |
| 23:35.58 | nsadmin | and say that debian didn't force you to do anything :) |
| 23:35.58 | nkuttler | CuBe0wL: um, because the maintainers don't want to maintain two kdes? |
| 23:36.12 | enouf | CuBe0wL: it should've died before it was ever conceived |
| 23:36.46 | CuBe0wL | cool, so throw away something that actually works now, till KDE4 applications are still in beta stage? |
| 23:37.02 | enouf | actually works? bwahahahaha |
| 23:37.03 | CuBe0wL | I know the api is stable enough |
| 23:37.10 | themill | CuBe0wL: in any case, kwrite is in the "kate" package in squeeze, just as it always has been... |
| 23:37.34 | themill | (look first, complain second) |
| 23:37.35 | nkuttler | CuBe0wL: you are running debian beta.... what did you expect? |
| 23:37.44 | UncleBob | "This APT has Super Cor Powers."...? |
| 23:38.00 | CuBe0wL | odd... my fault at this part |
| 23:38.05 | CuBe0wL | I'm sorry |
| 23:38.18 | UncleBob | *Cow |
| 23:38.24 | themill | CuBe0wL: apt-file is your friend. /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 23:38.33 | nsadmin | themill: the tarball... hmm, so you're saying it's not supposed to be in (say) the -orig tarball especially, yeah ok good point... but I didn't say where/how it should be distributed, what I meant was it would be nice if upstream would help |
| 23:39.16 | nsadmin | some upstreams are helpful, others say "packaging is evil" and I suppose there's no help there |
| 23:39.22 | bzed | !dbugs 528131 |
| 23:39.23 | CuBe0wL | themill, thx for the tip |
| 23:39.25 | dpkg | #528131:N[wnpp] O: proxychains -- proxy chains - redirect connections through proxy servers (); Sun, 10 May 2009 23:33:01 UTC [] |
| 23:39.27 | bzed | Turl1: ^ |
| 23:39.37 | themill | !bzed++ |
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| 23:39.48 | bzed | :) |
| 23:40.03 | nsadmin | !carmel bzed |
| 23:40.10 | themill | nsadmin: absolutely. Actually, there are moves to try to make it less problematic to have debian/ in .orig.tar.gz.... AIUI, the new quilt source package format for instance should make that less problematic. |
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| 23:40.50 | bzed | Turl1: so either you look for a mentor/sponsor and start to maintain the pacakge, or wait until the QA group takes care of it... or somebody else adopts it |
| 23:40.53 | bzed | !camel nsadmin |
| 23:40.53 | dpkg | grabs a latex carrot and winks at nsadmin with its massive eyelashes |
| 23:41.10 | themill | o-0 |
| 23:41.19 | enouf | ... |
| 23:41.33 | bzed | dpkg is kinky today |
| 23:41.33 | dpkg | no idea, bzed |
| 23:42.04 | Turl1 | bzed: might I adopt it? |
| 23:42.20 | nsadmin | I mean, say if they put their packaing stuff in a separate tarball, or maybe from their source control thing |
| 23:42.56 | nsadmin | that's (again) assuming they'd want to help... |
| 23:42.58 | bzed | Turl1: sure. |
| 23:43.08 | themill | nsadmin: yeah, quite a few upstreams have an unreleased "packaging" directory in their VCS for exactly that. |
| 23:43.15 | bzed | Turl1: reading http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ helps probably, if you need to know more, #debian-mentors is probably the best place to ask |
| 23:43.35 | themill | dpkg: tell Turl1 about mentors |
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| 23:44.28 | bzed | good night :) |
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| 23:44.42 | Turl1 | cya bzed |
| 23:46.39 | mallxs | dpkg mkpasswd |
| 23:46.40 | dpkg | mkpasswd is probably in the "whois" package. Nobody knows why. |
| 23:49.44 | Turl1 | dpkg proxychains |
| 23:49.44 | dpkg | Turl1: i haven't a clue |
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| 23:58.51 | king_crimson | does lenny require a 586? the kernel panics when trying to boot the install CD on a 486. |
| 23:59.21 | king_crimson | EIP text_poke_early |
| 23:59.32 | king_crimson | then kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill the idle task |
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