| 00:00.31 | king_crimson | i edited the ISO and replaced /install.386/vmlinuz with a version of 2.6.26 compiled for a 486... i'll see if it works |
| 00:02.34 | hatter_au | does X have monitor power saving on by default ? or is it the d-e ? i.e. fluxbox ? |
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| 00:04.56 | king_crimson | wtf.... it still kernel panics... what could the problem be?? |
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| 00:06.39 | nkuttler | king_crimson: 486 should be ok, see the install guide |
| 00:06.54 | king_crimson | i'll check it, etch worked great on it |
| 00:07.07 | nkuttler | king_crimson: hm, worst case install etch and dist-upgrade |
| 00:07.28 | king_crimson | is the lxde package available in the etch repositories? |
| 00:07.48 | nkuttler | !tell king_crimson about pdo |
| 00:07.48 | king_crimson | it's become my new favorite wm |
| 00:08.42 | king_crimson | guess not |
| 00:08.51 | nsadmin | hatter_au: I turned that off from kde menu -> settings |
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| 00:09.17 | xPhilosx | king_crimson, lxde is awesome |
| 00:09.36 | king_crimson | yep, i installed lenny on another machine with the LXDE disc and i fell in love with it |
| 00:09.40 | nkuttler | is that something like xfce? |
| 00:09.58 | xPhilosx | xfce has gotten a bit bloated lately |
| 00:10.14 | king_crimson | lxde is much nicer |
| 00:10.19 | xPhilosx | lxde is a fair bit lighter and very nice as well |
| 00:10.21 | nkuttler | thinks launch menus are bloated |
| 00:10.27 | king_crimson | it's pretty much a full featured wm without the bloat |
| 00:10.48 | king_crimson | nkuttler: launch menus are just great to have... with today's modern machines, i don't think they're a problem lol |
| 00:10.50 | nsadmin | sailbloat? |
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| 00:11.02 | xPhilosx | king_crimson, what do you use lenny for? (desktop, workstation?) |
| 00:11.18 | nkuttler | oh, i stil enjoy my dockapps though. but usually, a terminal + browser is all i need |
| 00:11.26 | king_crimson | i have an athlon xp i use as an http/ftp/samba server, and there's another lenny box i have as a workstation |
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| 00:11.56 | xPhilosx | king_crimson, i just ask because ive been doing some "soul searching" for a good distro for laptops |
| 00:12.34 | nsadmin | you probably can't download debian from a soul :) |
| 00:12.38 | king_crimson | my HP nc6400 laptop runs windows 7 (yes yes i know i'm sorry) but i've also run etch on it in the past, it was great |
| 00:12.41 | xPhilosx | i had lenny on it, but decided that I prefered more cutting edge then stability |
| 00:13.04 | hatter_au | nsadmin, i have removed gnome and just have fluxbox |
| 00:13.32 | nkuttler | fluxbox++ |
| 00:13.33 | king_crimson | before i switched to LXDE i used KDE, but it was a huge resource hog |
| 00:13.41 | xPhilosx | ive kinda compromised and run ubuntu minimal install on it to try and keep out the garbage. I suppose arch might be a choice as well? |
| 00:13.51 | nsadmin | xPhilosx: for a server, maybe you'd want more stability especially if the server supported anyone besides myself |
| 00:13.54 | king_crimson | i've never used arch myself |
| 00:14.10 | xPhilosx | king_crimson, yeah, i used gnome before but decided it didnt amount to much |
| 00:14.11 | king_crimson | i tried fedora core on the laptop in the past too but i didn't like it at all |
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| 00:14.17 | xPhilosx | nsadmin, yeah, i have 2 debian boxes that I love |
| 00:14.59 | hatter_au | could this be turning the monitor off ? 'hald-addon-acpi: listening on acpi kernel interface /proc/acpi/event' |
| 00:15.00 | xPhilosx | king_crimson, yeah, im not a RH guy, im not much into it |
| 00:15.28 | king_crimson | i started learning linux about 4 years ago with debian and i haven't found an acceptable substitute yet.. it's the best overall |
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| 00:16.05 | king_crimson | linuxmint is awful imo, don't know if you've tried that |
| 00:16.30 | xPhilosx | king_crimson, I tend to agree about debian |
| 00:16.39 | xPhilosx | king_crimson, hah, no |
| 00:16.53 | king_crimson | just warning, don't bother... it's bloated and buggy |
| 00:17.17 | xPhilosx | anyone know anything about the more commercialized versions? LIke PCLinuxOS and all that jazz? |
| 00:17.23 | king_crimson | it also didn't like 3 of 4 sound cards i tried on it |
| 00:17.27 | xPhilosx | whoa |
| 00:17.34 | king_crimson | no i've never tried that one |
| 00:17.38 | king_crimson | i don't toy with too many distros |
| 00:18.25 | xPhilosx | i thought about trying gentoo or opensuse, but i cant bring myself to leave the comfort of debians package management |
| 00:18.29 | king_crimson | one great one i found if you want to set up a firewall/router system is ClarkConnect though... so awesome |
| 00:18.36 | king_crimson | yep i can't live without apt |
| 00:19.33 | xPhilosx | king_crimson, i actually have heard of ClarckConnect, i thought about setting up a router on an old box once until I realized the power consumption would be insane for a router |
| 00:20.04 | nsadmin | debian has this thing for if you have one real IP and you want to set up a gateway router/firewall with masqed IPs inside... it's called ipmasq |
| 00:20.21 | king_crimson | i switched from my linksys wrt54g to a pentium 3 running clarkconnect and even though the power use is wayyyy higher it's worth it. i don't know if my linksys was broken or what, but my download speeds went from 700 KB/s to 1.3 MB/s |
| 00:20.49 | xPhilosx | king_crimson, the wrt54g's overheat (thats what I have) and they freak out when you use high bandwidth |
| 00:20.50 | king_crimson | nsadmin: yes but clarkconnect has a great setup designed for advanced routing that makes it nice and easy to use... |
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| 00:22.39 | xPhilosx | I saw a video on youtube of a guy with an android phone that put LXDE on it (I think he was running it virtually, but STILL) |
| 00:23.02 | king_crimson | that's pretty neat |
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| 00:23.37 | xPhilosx | yeah, it was very slick |
| 00:23.40 | nkuttler | wonders how running a vm on a phone is less impressive than running a desktop environment |
| 00:23.59 | king_crimson | lol |
| 00:24.30 | king_crimson | my phone.... makes phone calls. that's about it. |
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| 00:25.46 | xPhilosx | nkuttler, oh, not less impressive, its just that you cant install say debian on a phone yet--you need something like android |
| 00:25.59 | xPhilosx | but I think its only a matter of time |
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| 00:26.47 | king_crimson | phones are already so much more powerful than a PC from just like 10 years ago, it's crazy |
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| 00:27.10 | xPhilosx | i think it would be awesome if they came out with a blank phone that you could slap something like debian on, and then apt-get some carrier specific apps and off you go |
| 00:27.29 | king_crimson | xPhilosx: it'll happen |
| 00:27.51 | king_crimson | oh man i can't wait until i can get a phone that will run compiz-fusion |
| 00:27.57 | xPhilosx | haha |
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| 00:29.00 | minerale | one of my servers just shutdown; I'm trying to figure out why? (did someone press the power button) I got this in my prompt: Broadcast message from root (Sun May 10 19:59:00 2009): The system is going down for system halt NOW! |
| 00:29.24 | xPhilosx | minerale, shutdown now? |
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| 00:29.35 | nkuttler | minerale: well, at least it's a clean shutdown.. |
| 00:29.54 | xPhilosx | way to look at the bright side |
| 00:30.15 | nkuttler | minerale: so.. either you've been rooted.. or it's a vps? |
| 00:30.22 | king_crimson | either the power button or somebody who shouldn't have got root access |
| 00:30.25 | nkuttler | minerale: or some watchdog.. |
| 00:30.27 | xPhilosx | your high availibility server just went down, but hey, at least it was clean ;) |
| 00:30.46 | king_crimson | minerale: i'd change your root password ASAP to be safe |
| 00:30.53 | xPhilosx | is there any programs that will shutdown if things overheat or anything? |
| 00:30.54 | king_crimson | check who can sudo also |
| 00:31.07 | king_crimson | (without password, if any) |
| 00:31.46 | minerale | nkuttler: I think it's the sun 'Ilom" temperature watchdog, the front panel is at 45 degrees celsius and that's the threshold, but I'm not an iLom expert and I don't see a shutdown setting |
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| 00:32.14 | nkuttler | 45C doesn't sound excessive i guess |
| 00:32.32 | king_crimson | what kind of CPU is in the server? |
| 00:32.36 | xPhilosx | 45C for the ambient, or for the processor or? |
| 00:32.52 | jelly-home | front panel sounds ambientish |
| 00:33.03 | nkuttler | ambient would be a little high |
| 00:33.06 | jelly-home | and yes that's excessive |
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| 00:34.14 | nkuttler | has to wait two or three monts for 45C |
| 00:34.32 | xPhilosx | nkuttler, ambiently? |
| 00:34.38 | nkuttler | sure |
| 00:34.54 | nkuttler | and even then... |
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| 00:35.09 | Elive_user28_en | what was the command for running .deb files dpkg? |
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| 00:35.23 | xPhilosx | Elive_user28_en, yes |
| 00:35.26 | nkuttler | Elive_user28_en: probably. define 'run' |
| 00:35.47 | minerale | nkuttler: do you know if there is a way to ignore the 'power off' message coming from a watchdog / front panel in linux? |
| 00:36.17 | king_crimson | elik_: dpkg --install filename.deb |
| 00:36.17 | Elive_user28_en | thanks |
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| 00:36.29 | nkuttler | minerale: no idea. probably some daemon running, or something in the kernel itself |
| 00:36.32 | king_crimson | er i meant elive oops |
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| 00:37.56 | xPhilosx | someone said they had windows 7? |
| 00:38.33 | king_crimson | i do |
| 00:38.37 | elik_ | king_crimson, >_> |
| 00:38.38 | king_crimson | i'm using it right now actually |
| 00:38.44 | xPhilosx | how do you like it? |
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| 00:38.51 | king_crimson | actually, for windows... it's nice |
| 00:38.54 | xPhilosx | and how would you compare it to vista? |
| 00:38.55 | goldenlight | hi |
| 00:38.59 | king_crimson | much quicker than vista |
| 00:39.13 | xPhilosx | file "moving" speeds? |
| 00:39.18 | xPhilosx | vista sucks for large files |
| 00:39.19 | king_crimson | my only real complaint is that you can't disable the new start menu... no going back to classic |
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| 00:39.28 | king_crimson | i've had no complaints for file moving |
| 00:39.30 | king_crimson | its nice and quick |
| 00:39.45 | xPhilosx | did you beta it? |
| 00:39.56 | king_crimson | well i'm still using beta build 7000 yes, i haven't upgraded to the RC1 |
| 00:40.04 | king_crimson | 7000 is fine though, i'll upgrade eventually |
| 00:40.11 | pdfedit | Does anyone know if Acrobat Pro runs on Linux (directly or in wine) ? |
| 00:41.41 | king_crimson | to give win7 a real torture test i installed it on a 250 MHz Cyrix MII.... it was mostly tolerable |
| 00:41.48 | xPhilosx | hey, i want to throw this out there and see if anyone has any suggestions |
| 00:41.50 | xPhilosx | hah |
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| 00:42.30 | xPhilosx | My apache2 server needs to be restarted every few days, so much so that I thought of just making a cron job, is there some known issue? |
| 00:42.55 | comradekingu | pdfedit: http://wiki.winehq.org/AdobeAcrobatPro |
| 00:45.03 | xPhilosx | i realize thats pretty vague |
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| 00:59.37 | pdfedit | I want to annotate a PDF with stickies and highlighting. Can any Linux software do that? |
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| 01:02.31 | peppe | pdfedit: try #poppler |
| 01:02.37 | hatter_au | what is causing my screens to go blank (power save mode) when I have X and fluxbox ? |
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| 01:16.12 | Elems | how do I find out the pci slots that I have in my server from a command? |
| 01:16.56 | amitz_ | lspci? |
| 01:17.15 | Elems | amitz_ command not found though, tried it... what package is it a part of? |
| 01:17.32 | keith4_ | pciutils |
| 01:17.46 | Elems | Thanks |
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| 01:18.50 | Elems | from that wall of text it just spat at me how would I know if there is an empty slot? |
| 01:20.23 | keith4_ | Elems, you probably wouldn't |
| 01:20.37 | Elems | :( |
| 01:22.08 | Elems | how would I know then? |
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| 01:26.13 | earthian | elm |
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| 01:28.57 | lindylex | is there a daemon tool to keep my wireless connection to my LAN? this is for headless server connected wirelessly. |
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| 01:31.49 | sparr | Where do you install games/apps/etc under ~? Is there some sort of standard for that? I took an idea from an installer I ran across a long time ago and use a hierarchy of subfolders under ~/.local including bin/ and lib/ and opt/games/ |
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| 01:33.24 | Coweater | Elems: only way i know is to run "dmidecode -t slot" as root and count them |
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| 01:35.24 | Coweater | Elems: that may be unreliable though, it depends on whatever the manufacturer put in their DMI tables |
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| 01:42.35 | voudras | hrm - anyone here happen to experience a thing with exim having an exim4_incoming path in /var/spool, /etc and /var/log |
| 01:42.54 | voudras | looks like the proper exim4 is being sidestepped in favor of exim4_incoming |
| 01:43.00 | pdfedit | Is there a log of this channel? I think someone answered my question about annotating PDFs on Linux, but I can't see the answer |
| 01:43.02 | voudras | which is causing issues with other programs and my mail |
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| 01:43.27 | voudras | so im thinkin maybe a debian update tried to make a swap or something? cant think of another good reason this would be the case |
| 01:44.06 | pdfedit | How can I annotate PDF files under Linux? |
| 01:46.56 | comfrey | pdfedit: pdftk |
| 01:47.59 | Theoden | http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/madill48/Curmudgeon.png?t=1240966157 |
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| 01:56.11 | Yud_Zroc | hello |
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| 02:00.20 | Yud_Zroc | can anyone give me the rough compairisan about ubuntu vs debian |
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| 02:05.04 | pdfedit | comfrey: pdftk's web site does not mention annotations among features. by annotations I mean sticky notes and highlighting |
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| 02:05.42 | lindylex | Use Debian you end up understanding what the O.S. is doing better with less automation. |
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| 02:06.01 | Yud_Zroc | i hate automation |
| 02:06.10 | lindylex | ME too |
| 02:06.23 | MichelFX | hello, somebody have a font that contain the logo of Debian? |
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| 02:06.53 | ajavid | go |
| 02:06.59 | ajavid | !logo |
| 02:06.59 | dpkg | logo is probably a wierd graphical language, but don't tell Seymour that, or http://debian.org/logos, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLogo, or ask me about <debian logo font> |
| 02:07.09 | ajavid | debian logo font |
| 02:07.11 | ajavid | !debian logo font |
| 02:07.11 | dpkg | The debian logo's font is Poppl Laudation Condensed. http://www.identifont.com/show?U5 by Friedrich Poppl. |
| 02:07.15 | ajavid | my keyboard sucks |
| 02:07.28 | ajavid | MichelFX, I guess not. |
| 02:07.32 | Yud_Zroc | is debain good on laptops |
| 02:07.41 | ajavid | it is excellent on anything |
| 02:07.44 | lindylex | Yud_zroc: yes |
| 02:07.46 | MichelFX | Thank you |
| 02:07.57 | pdfedit | How can I annotate PDF files with sticky notes and highlighting under Linux? |
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| 02:08.34 | ajavid | pdfedit, ##linux -- I saw you ask before and you were told to use something, if that doesn't work, look for a software that does and the see if packages.debian.org has it or not |
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| 02:09.59 | pdfedit | ajavid: the suggestion (okular) doesn't even have this feature; and Acrobat Pro doesn't work on Linux. |
| 02:09.59 | theswellseason | I just had to reformat windows and now I can't get back into my debian partition |
| 02:10.15 | ajavid | !fixmbr |
| 02:10.15 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode> and <dual boot guide>. |
| 02:11.10 | ajavid | theswellseason, start live cd, mount your debian partition somewhere, mount --bind /dev there, chroot into it, mount /proc, and install grub |
| 02:11.10 | comfrey | oh, pdfedit ... yeah, i thought you were talking about editing metadata |
| 02:11.30 | theswellseason | ajavid: would windows have overwriten debian? it's not seen the partition. Like, I know there's one there, because the windows partition is smaller than my whole hd, but when I look at the partitions, it says that there's no space on them |
| 02:11.37 | ajavid | theswellseason, yes it would have |
| 02:11.46 | theswellseason | so, debian may be gone? |
| 02:11.48 | ajavid | theswellseason, MBR now contains a pointer to ntldr |
| 02:12.00 | ajavid | no, its not gone, its there if you didn't wipe that partition |
| 02:12.05 | ajavid | only the bootloader is gone |
| 02:12.12 | Wyzard | theswellseason: Windows doesn't understand non-Windows partitions; it may assign them drive letters, but if you try to open the drive, it'll tell you the partition is unformatted |
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| 02:12.23 | theswellseason | okay, then that's what I'm seeing |
| 02:12.26 | theswellseason | I figured that was the case |
| 02:12.30 | theswellseason | thank you |
| 02:12.32 | ajavid | just don't format it |
| 02:12.40 | theswellseason | I won't |
| 02:12.46 | ajavid | you better not! |
| 02:13.25 | Wyzard | theswellseason: You can use Disk Management to remove the drive letters from your Linux partitions so you don't accidentally format them from Windows |
| 02:13.34 | theswellseason | okay |
| 02:14.01 | theswellseason | now, can I resize my windows partition from debian, or do I have to do that from windows? |
| 02:14.12 | ajavid | you can use ntfs-resize |
| 02:14.14 | theswellseason | like, if I want to shrink windows and give the debian partition all that extra space |
| 02:14.15 | theswellseason | okay |
| 02:14.21 | ajavid | or you can use a windows software to do it |
| 02:14.33 | ajavid | doesn't matter, ntfs-resize is stable enough but there is no guarantee of data loss |
| 02:14.48 | bluethundr | how can I set the correct DNS in php5? |
| 02:14.50 | ajavid | degrag your disk in windows, consolidate free space |
| 02:14.59 | ajavid | so that all the data is on the beginning or end of disk and then resize |
| 02:15.11 | bluethundr | s/DSN/DNS/ |
| 02:15.19 | freaky_t | is there a possibility to allready use ext4 with lenny? because ext4 is stable with kernel version 2.6.28 but my lenny kernel is 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 02:15.24 | freaky_t | ? |
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| 02:15.40 | ajavid | 2.6.26-2 contains patches for ext4dev |
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| 02:15.57 | freaky_t | oh so i can use it without any problems? just convert the filesystem? |
| 02:15.58 | theswellseason | ajavid: can I use the netinstall disc to boot into debian, or do I have to create a livecd? |
| 02:16.10 | ajavid | freaky_t, confirm this before you convert |
| 02:16.16 | ajavid | I'm not positive 100% |
| 02:16.20 | teraflops | theswellseason, I like gparted for resizing partitions in linux. It works like PartitionMagic if you've ever used that before. |
| 02:16.26 | freaky_t | hm ok thanks |
| 02:16.31 | freaky_t | :D |
| 02:16.35 | ajavid | theswellseason, maybe, I dunno |
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| 02:18.15 | theswellseason | okay, thanks guys. |
| 02:18.18 | theswellseason | wish me luck |
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| 02:19.16 | ajavid | make sure to write the instructions down |
| 02:19.25 | ajavid | doh he left |
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| 02:23.23 | pdfedit | ajavid: I can't use Windows software for it. Acrobat Pro doesn't run under Wine. |
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| 02:23.41 | ajavid | life's a bitch |
| 02:24.01 | pdfedit | s/life/Linux ? |
| 02:24.08 | ajavid | sure |
| 02:24.37 | UncleBob | How do I get UTF-8 support/fonts in/for the terminal? |
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| 02:25.35 | w00tdg | is anyone in here good with software raid? |
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| 02:26.47 | maiek | w00tdg, probably someone, what's the question? |
| 02:26.59 | w00tdg | I've got a raid5 array with 2 drives marked as failed. However, one of them isn't actually failed. I need to re-mark the drive as if it were good and try to get my data back. |
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| 02:27.31 | maxagaz | is it possible using ssh to connect to a remote machine and cd to a given directory ? |
| 02:27.49 | teraflops | maxagaz: yes |
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| 02:28.13 | maxagaz | teraflops, what is the syntax ? |
| 02:28.29 | teraflops | You can do something like this: |
| 02:28.51 | teraflops | ssh username@machinename "cd /dir; ls" |
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| 02:29.51 | maxagaz | teraflops, ok, but it doesn't open a session |
| 02:29.55 | teraflops | SSH will ask for your login if you aren't using key-based authentication and then you'll see the directory listing from the remote machine. |
| 02:31.12 | teraflops | Do you want to login and issue commands or just send a command or two and then log out? |
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| 02:32.30 | theswellseason | sooooo, that didn't work. There were no filesystems to mount listed in fstab |
| 02:33.06 | w00tdg | i guess theres no one here right now thats good with software raid.. oh well. |
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| 02:34.42 | mordy_ | hey is there any reason why aptitude build-dep[end]s <package> would fail while apt-get build-deps <package> won't? |
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| 02:36.35 | mordy_ | i can't figure out why it would do that :| |
| 02:36.49 | theswellseason | ajavid: is there a reason that my current partition wouldn't show up when I tried to mount it? Or does that mean it's not there? |
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| 02:40.03 | n0mad | hi, openvt -c 3 su xxx -c "cmd" returns : illegal vt number im litle bit stuck vt 3 is free..none running |
| 02:41.20 | jmarsden | n0mad: If you drop the -c 3 from the command does it then work as expected? |
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| 02:49.41 | jpinx-eeepc | theswellseason: vista realy does not like co-habiting with anything |
| 02:50.16 | theswellseason | I'm aware |
| 02:50.27 | theswellseason | but it's going to have to or it's going to be gone completley |
| 02:50.45 | jpinx-eeepc | for what you want to do it'd be easier to install a virtualbox in vista and run debian in that |
| 02:50.57 | theswellseason | hrm? |
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| 02:51.01 | theswellseason | not totally true |
| 02:51.07 | mordy_ | i think something in my package management is broken. is there some kind of tool i can use to verify that the packages that are listed as 'installed' are actually installed? |
| 02:51.52 | theswellseason | but, the point is, when I went into the console and tried to run the commands to fix grub, it told me that I couldn't mount my partition |
| 02:51.57 | mordy_ | because i find myself having to do aptitude reinstall a lot of times in order to get things working; but i don't have anything listed as broken or anything, and i don't recall ever having a major crash |
| 02:52.02 | theswellseason | I'm not sure if that's just because it was the livecd? |
| 02:52.16 | jpinx-eeepc | theswellseason: what's the output of fdisk -l |
| 02:52.20 | theswellseason | *was not |
| 02:52.25 | theswellseason | erm, I'm on windows right now |
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| 02:52.33 | theswellseason | brb |
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| 03:00.09 | pdfedit | So now RedHat and friends will have one version of GLIBC, while Debian and its friends will have another? Won't this cause a major fragmentation? I think Debian overreated that guy wasn't so bad. Read his orignal comments in the bugzilla. |
| 03:00.33 | pdfedit | s/overreated/overreacted |
| 03:00.54 | UncleBob | Where do I put fonts I want to use? |
| 03:04.47 | pdfedit | DEBIAN |
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| 03:05.40 | stew | prefrontal: why would it cause fragmentation at all? |
| 03:05.49 | stew | err |
| 03:05.56 | stew | pdfedit: ^^ |
| 03:06.33 | pdfedit | stew: what are you talking about ?! |
| 03:06.54 | stew | pdfedit: why would debian switching to eglibc cause fragmentation? its binary compatible |
| 03:07.01 | n0mad | jmarsden, why do i need that - i need to run things on specofied VT - that means on 3th, someone says maybe i have bad permisions, where can i check those ? |
| 03:07.04 | stew | (and source code compatible) |
| 03:07.21 | stew | it adds patches to make it work with MORE software, not less |
| 03:07.51 | pdfedit | stew: it's only going to start out being compatible, but Redhat has no reason to stay compatible. They are the MS of the Linux world. |
| 03:08.08 | stew | why would it ever become incompatible? |
| 03:08.38 | pdfedit | stew: software evolves; eglibc is a different branch |
| 03:09.03 | stew | pdfedit: this is really just a bunch of patches on top of glibc, it is kept in sync with glibc, and the patches are good patches |
| 03:09.08 | jmarsden | n0mad: It is a *test*. If it works without specifying which VT, then you can check what is going on with the specific VT. if it does not work, you have something more general (to all VTs) going on... Check perms by doing ls -l /dev/whatever-device-you-care-about |
| 03:09.11 | stew | they do stuff like make glibc more posix compatible |
| 03:09.53 | stew | like allow shells OTHER than just bash, which is the only one drepper is willing to support |
| 03:10.19 | stew | if it becomes incompatible, we can always very easily switch back |
| 03:10.26 | stew | as this was a very easy switch |
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| 03:10.48 | pdfedit | forking is easy; developing your own branch is not |
| 03:11.28 | pdfedit | I need a different nick. I tried pdfedit, and it's crap. I didn't realize there was a package called that. |
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| 03:15.56 | HeavensRevenge | hello |
| 03:16.33 | HeavensRevenge | im wondering, since ive screwed up my system... im wondering how i could get dpkg to list all my installed packages, just names |
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| 03:17.03 | HeavensRevenge | pipe to a txt file, and just be able to use that file to reinstall thw whole list again |
| 03:17.11 | not_root_ | anyone know what would cause my debian system to constantly freeze with kernel panics when under load? |
| 03:17.16 | not_root_ | anyone know what would cause my debian system to constantly freeze with kernel panics when under load? |
| 03:17.28 | not_root_ | sry |
| 03:18.10 | HeavensRevenge | ill see if i can truncate to names only, n pipe out to a file to pipe in later |
| 03:18.15 | teraflops | not_root: Have you tried testing your memory? |
| 03:18.20 | not_root_ | no |
| 03:18.31 | not_root_ | it takes so long, i've been avoiding it |
| 03:18.50 | UncleBob | ... memtest should be quick. |
| 03:19.07 | teraflops | Yeah. Took the words off my keyboard, UncleBob. |
| 03:19.32 | UncleBob | Debian comes with a memtest+ kernel? |
| 03:19.47 | Wyzard | not_root_: overheating perhaps |
| 03:19.49 | not_root_ | i've seen it take a really long time before for just 1gig |
| 03:19.52 | teraflops | Not sure. I've always just used a livecd. |
| 03:20.04 | not_root_ | UncleBob:yes it does |
| 03:20.18 | magyar | hi, i upgraded to sid and have no sound deom my soundblaster audigy card |
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| 03:21.16 | Wyzard | magyar: Did it play sound before you upgraded? |
| 03:21.32 | magyar | Wyzard: sure did |
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| 03:21.59 | Wyzard | magyar: What driver does it use? (I think the Audigy uses snd-emu10k1 but I'm not sure) |
| 03:22.19 | not_root_ | Wyzard: how could i remedy overheating? |
| 03:22.21 | magyar | Wyzard: thats the one |
| 03:22.41 | Wyzard | not_root_: fans and/or a better heatsink, if that turns out to be the problem |
| 03:22.59 | Wyzard | magyar: Is the module loaded now? |
| 03:23.00 | magyar | snd_emu10k1 115844 |
| 03:23.09 | magyar | yeap |
| 03:23.16 | magyar | Wyzard: ^ |
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| 03:23.33 | Wyzard | magyar: run alsamixer and see whether you have volume controls for the card, and if so, make sure they aren't muted |
| 03:23.50 | not_root_ | run alsaconf and reselect the right one again |
| 03:23.53 | Wyzard | magyar: also, unload and reload the module and check dmesg for any messages it may have printed |
| 03:23.55 | UncleBob | How do I use aptitude to list all installed packages? |
| 03:24.02 | Wyzard | not_root_: alsaconf is deprecated, and I don't think it even exists anymore in sid |
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| 03:24.35 | jpinx-eeepc | UncleBob: dpkg -l will do it for you |
| 03:24.50 | UncleBob | Thanks |
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| 03:26.29 | magyar | Wyzard: when i launch alsamixed the dumb "ATI R6xx HDMI" comes up insted of the Soundblaster |
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| 03:27.29 | Wyzard | magyar: Try "alsamixer -c 1" |
| 03:27.31 | susbwoy | magyar: do asoundconf list |
| 03:27.58 | jmarsden | HeavensRevenge: check the --get-selections and --set-selections options to dpkg ( man dpkg for the details ) |
| 03:29.10 | hark | UncleBob: aptitude search '~i' |
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| 03:29.41 | susbwoy | magyar: asoundconf set-default-card *soundblaster name here* |
| 03:29.46 | cads | hey, I have a problem of an install where my computer sometimes turns off abruptly |
| 03:29.57 | hark | HeavensRevenge: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 03:29.57 | cads | I'm running my other installation to see if it does it here too |
| 03:30.18 | cads | but how do I figure out what's going on in the other system while I'm here in this one |
| 03:30.39 | cads | Im going to see if there are logs leading up to the powerloss |
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| 03:31.46 | magyar | susbwoy: don't have "asoundconf" |
| 03:31.59 | magyar | trying to "apt-file" it |
| 03:32.20 | hark | no, it's no longer there, same as alsaconf |
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| 03:32.43 | magyar | that sucks |
| 03:32.50 | hark | use an asoundrc or pass the index option to the module |
| 03:33.07 | magyar | Wyzard: i see all the settings with alsamixer -c 1 |
| 03:33.19 | hark | magyar: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?title=FAQ026 |
| 03:33.22 | n0mad | jamesstanley, its not working, so ls -l /dev/tty3 is root's, erm but whats wrong i do run openvt as root and su to user, as i wrote - so whats wrong ? |
| 03:33.49 | Wyzard | magyar: looks like the problem is that you have two sound cards, and the Audigy is now the secondary card rather than the primary |
| 03:34.05 | Wyzard | magyar: probably due to the modules loading in a different order due to a difference in udev or something |
| 03:34.27 | Wyzard | magyar: It should be possible to configure it to always be the primary card, but I don't know anything about using alsa with multiple cards so I can't help |
| 03:35.43 | magyar | Wyzard: no problems, hope someone has hit the same issue and willing to help |
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| 03:37.11 | Rusty1 | blacklist the modules for the one he might not need? |
| 03:37.58 | InitHello | gentlemen and/or ladies. I have a box running a 2.4 kernel. Will I break anything if just apt-get install a 2.6.12 kernel and reboot, or should I follow a certain procedure to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:38.06 | InitHello | s/.12// |
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| 03:38.49 | HeavensRevenge | hi |
| 03:38.53 | Rusty1 | http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards#Recommended_solution magyar maybe |
| 03:39.14 | HeavensRevenge | well, thing is, i just migrated to kde4 |
| 03:39.22 | HeavensRevenge | and i instaled sum more packages |
| 03:39.30 | HeavensRevenge | i can get to kdm |
| 03:40.02 | HeavensRevenge | and yet, when i attempt to login, X is resarted, and i cant get to a desktop |
| 03:40.08 | magyar | Rusty1: maybe, or do a surgery on modules |
| 03:40.11 | magyar | -_- |
| 03:40.35 | HeavensRevenge | im not sure, whether to try to mess in xorg, or whether it may be a profile thing |
| 03:40.54 | HeavensRevenge | should i try an adduser to see if the problem is system wide, and not user specific? |
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| 03:47.09 | HeavensRevenge | hmm ok yea its system wide... |
| 03:47.44 | HeavensRevenge | what log would be best to cat/tail, to see the problem after starting kdm, but not getting into a desktop?? |
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| 03:51.14 | hatter_au | 'dpkg -l' shows me the packages installed on my pc doesn't it ? |
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| 03:51.50 | Pulpie | ok for some reason debian decided to fill up my / partition. How can I clear the apt cache? |
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| 03:52.03 | not_root_ | how are you launching kdm |
| 03:52.09 | not_root_ | HevensRevenge |
| 03:52.10 | hatter_au | Pulpie, apt-get clean |
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| 03:53.14 | Pulpie | ok next step, how can I figure what is taking up all the room on / partition |
| 03:54.05 | hatter_au | Pulpie, du - lsh / |
| 03:54.22 | xPhilosx | Is there a way to get apt-get to ignore package depencies that it only *thinks* it no longer needs and subsequently begs for removal by autoclean each time I apt-get remove? |
| 03:54.45 | Pulpie | hatter_au: umm, thats very unsanitary. |
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| 03:55.30 | InitHello | maybe I should ask if there's any danger in removing the kernel image and modules for the currently running kernel, prior to installing the new kernel? |
| 03:55.56 | hatter_au | InitHello, yes there is |
| 03:56.09 | hatter_au | what if the install of the new kernel borks ? |
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| 03:56.16 | InitHello | ok, what procedure should I follow to upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 03:56.43 | HeavensRevenge | well ive launched kdm a few ways, one was automatic, then starting in ini3 then calling init 5 manually |
| 03:56.46 | hatter_au | InitHello, what debian version ? |
| 03:56.54 | Pulpie | ok next step, how can I figure what is taking up all the room on / partition? |
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| 03:57.00 | InitHello | hatter_au: etch, I do believe |
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| 03:57.37 | hatter_au | pulpie, du -lsh * |
| 03:57.40 | hatter_au | from / |
| 03:57.46 | Pulpie | hatter_au: thats really not sanity |
| 03:57.52 | InitHello | this all started when libc6 whined about not playing nice with the 2.4 kernel :/ |
| 03:57.55 | hatter_au | what is sanity ? |
| 03:58.32 | Pulpie | hatter_au: meaning no one whos sane is going to look through a flooded terminal looking for the biggest/bigger number |
| 03:58.47 | hatter_au | InitHello, you could upgrade to lenny first |
| 03:58.54 | hatter_au | which will do the kernel |
| 03:59.11 | hatter_au | Pulpie, du -lsh gives summary |
| 03:59.18 | Pulpie | hatter_au: no it doesn't |
| 03:59.25 | sparr | I am having a problem in X. Some games set my resolution to an invalid one for my monitor, my only solution is to ctrl+alt+f1 and terminate the game from a console. but for some of those games, the display doesn't go back after the game is killed. then I try "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s N" (for any N>0) and X crashes. help? |
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| 04:00.21 | hatter_au | Pulpie, you are not using the same df -lsh then me then. |
| 04:00.30 | hatter_au | oops |
| 04:00.35 | hatter_au | i mean du -lsh |
| 04:00.47 | Pulpie | hatter_au: im using the same du that comes with debian lenny |
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| 04:01.08 | Pulpie | hatter_au: which floods like crazy the way you did so |
| 04:01.26 | hatter_au | Pulpie, du -lsh * from the / directory. |
| 04:01.51 | hatter_au | will show you human readable summary of the directories in root. |
| 04:02.23 | freaky_t | I installed ncdu on my server ;D it's useful somehow ;D |
| 04:03.35 | Pulpie | hatter_au: i did, next time just suggest something like filelight, kdirstat, baobab or jdiskreport. Or even chkdirspc |
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| 04:05.42 | hatter_au | pulpie, whatever. do it anyway you want. if I answer you in here it will be the way i do it. |
| 04:06.04 | jpinx-eeepc | theswellseason: whats the output of fdisk -l |
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| 04:06.43 | freaky_t | is there any like filelight/ncdu as web app? i mean something reporting where the space is used on a website |
| 04:06.50 | UncleBob | What are /usr/share/linda/ and /usr/share/lintian/? |
| 04:06.53 | jpinx-eeepc | theswellseason: paste it |
| 04:07.13 | theswellseason | erm, pastebin you mean? |
| 04:07.25 | jpinx-eeepc | the output of fdisk -l |
| 04:07.37 | theswellseason | http://pastebin.com/m28bec4e4 |
| 04:07.44 | theswellseason | there you go good sir |
| 04:08.23 | xPhilosx | is there any way to clear the list of packages that autoremove thinks it should remove? |
| 04:08.43 | jpinx-eeepc | and what is the problem theswellseason ? |
| 04:08.52 | theswellseason | jpinx-eeepc, see how there's two large linux partitions, one swap, one NTFS and one extended? |
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| 04:09.31 | theswellseason | I'd like to break up the larger of the two linux partitions, give part of it to the smaller debian partition, and then combine the rest of it with the unallocated to have a testing partition |
| 04:09.56 | theswellseason | if that is even possible |
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| 04:10.03 | jpinx-eeepc | theswellseason: you need to backup everythign and start again |
| 04:10.13 | theswellseason | That's what I figured. |
| 04:10.24 | jpinx-eeepc | anything is possible, but you risk losing data |
| 04:10.33 | theswellseason | Can I leave the NSTF in place? I really don't relish having to go through and get all the drivers again |
| 04:10.38 | theswellseason | yeah, I figured as much |
| 04:10.54 | jpinx-eeepc | it depends on how many gbs of data you have |
| 04:11.02 | theswellseason | explain? |
| 04:11.04 | amitz_ | how to check for the occurence of a request at a certain port so that I can automatically run a command? |
| 04:11.13 | jpinx-eeepc | and where you can park it while you're repartitioning |
| 04:11.32 | theswellseason | well I can go buy a bunch of cds and burn all my music to that |
| 04:11.39 | theswellseason | music is the only thing I care about losing |
| 04:12.03 | module000 | amitz_: netcat is one way among many |
| 04:12.39 | jpinx-eeepc | theswellseason: you seem to have about 300GBs apart from the vista partition |
| 04:12.43 | theswellseason | there's nothing on that NTFS partition right now, but I removed the restore partition to create the new linux partition, so I won't be able to reinstall Vista w/o having to reinstall all the drivers and such |
| 04:12.47 | theswellseason | yes, that would be true |
| 04:12.49 | module000 | amitz_: another is gooling "sockets.h documentation" |
| 04:13.25 | jpinx-eeepc | theswellseason: are you going to install some falvour of windows on the ntfs? |
| 04:13.44 | theswellseason | well yes. it's currently vista, and I'd like to leave it that way |
| 04:13.55 | theswellseason | I would prefer to not have to go find all my drivers and such again |
| 04:14.17 | jpinx-eeepc | theswellseason: ok - then run df -h and see what you're dealing with |
| 04:14.35 | jpinx-eeepc | theswellseason: it's only housekeeping from here on |
| 04:16.08 | theswellseason | http://pastebin.com/m3198f6f0 |
| 04:16.15 | jpinx-eeepc | theswellseason: see what you can put where while you move or re-partition something else - etc |
| 04:16.58 | enouf | amitz_: you might try something like tcpdump and/or iptables |
| 04:17.30 | jpinx-eeepc | theswellseason: where's the huge store of music then? |
| 04:17.43 | theswellseason | /dev/sda4 |
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| 04:17.57 | jpinx-eeepc | theswellseason: I see 18 GBs used , not very much |
| 04:18.03 | theswellseason | excuse me |
| 04:18.12 | theswellseason | that was /dev/sda2 |
| 04:18.20 | theswellseason | and it's not so much that it's a "ton" of music |
| 04:18.26 | jpinx-eeepc | theswellseason: where's sda4? |
| 04:18.32 | enouf | theswellseason: why not forget about restore partitions, and use something like ghost or acronis for taking a snapshot of your next Blista installation |
| 04:18.35 | jpinx-eeepc | why does it not show here |
| 04:18.36 | theswellseason | there's just a lot of personal recordings I could never get back |
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| 04:19.03 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: if it |
| 04:19.08 | theswellseason | enouf, I didn't know that was possible? |
| 04:19.18 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: if it's not mounted, df won't show it |
| 04:19.33 | enouf | fdisk will and so would cat /proc/partitions |
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| 04:19.55 | enouf | theswellseason: i'd ask ##windows about all that - and use google |
| 04:20.00 | jpinx-eeepc | theswellseason: I asked you for *all* disks in df -h |
| 04:20.09 | theswellseason | enouf, yeah sure thing about that |
| 04:20.19 | theswellseason | jpinx-eeepc, that's the output of dh -l |
| 04:20.22 | theswellseason | er |
| 04:20.23 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: if it's not mounted, it doesn't matter |
| 04:20.24 | theswellseason | -h that is |
| 04:20.58 | enouf | you want df -hT sometimes too ;-) |
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| 04:21.15 | jpinx-eeepc | there is only one physical drive, and you want to shuffle partitions, so it's not possible to see what to do without the whole picture |
| 04:21.27 | enouf | fdisk -l |
| 04:21.35 | enouf | cat /proc/partitions |
| 04:21.40 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf that doesn't show usage |
| 04:22.13 | theswellseason | http://pastebin.com/m510144e7 |
| 04:22.19 | enouf | usage? right - so du then or, tell him to mount the partition in question |
| 04:22.30 | jpinx-eeepc | argh! not du |
| 04:22.30 | theswellseason | that's cat /proc/partions |
| 04:22.32 | theswellseason | also lol |
| 04:22.47 | jpinx-eeepc | she'll be all night waiting for the output |
| 04:23.02 | jpinx-eeepc | there's 300 GBs |
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| 04:23.24 | jpinx-eeepc | theswellseason: please mount all the partitions and then do df -h |
| 04:23.38 | enouf | starts drinking ... heavily |
| 04:24.11 | enouf | theswellseason: fwiw, swap does not get mounted |
| 04:24.18 | enouf | so don't try |
| 04:24.28 | jpinx-eeepc | mount -a should do it |
| 04:24.48 | enouf | not if there's no entry for the partition in fstab |
| 04:25.06 | enouf | s/entry/correct entry/ |
| 04:25.15 | jpinx-eeepc | depends on how it's configured |
| 04:25.16 | theswellseason | enouf, lol I wasn't about to try |
| 04:25.18 | jpinx-eeepc | yep |
| 04:25.30 | theswellseason | http://pastebin.com/m55163bb9 |
| 04:25.32 | theswellseason | there |
| 04:25.39 | theswellseason | that has both linux partitions mounted |
| 04:25.56 | enouf | if fdisk shows it as ntfs, just mount -t ntfs /dev/sda4 /mnt |
| 04:26.11 | theswellseason | enouf, ntfs is already mounted |
| 04:26.14 | theswellseason | that mounts on boot |
| 04:26.18 | enouf | then run your df -hT |
| 04:26.41 | jpinx-eeepc | theswellseason: you're sandbagging - there's heaps of space |
| 04:26.44 | enouf | what FSType is sda4? ; file -s /dev/sda4 |
| 04:26.52 | theswellseason | jpinx-eeepc, exactly, and I want to fix all that |
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| 04:27.14 | jpinx-eeepc | go with enouf - my connection is too slow :( |
| 04:27.32 | theswellseason | lol enouf it's just me and you now ;D |
| 04:27.33 | enouf | no .. don't be passing off lamers onto me ... |
| 04:27.35 | enouf | :-P |
| 04:27.36 | theswellseason | erm |
| 04:27.39 | theswellseason | I object |
| 04:27.55 | enouf | and i 2nd that objection |
| 04:28.11 | theswellseason | you object calling me a lamer? |
| 04:28.11 | theswellseason | hrm |
| 04:28.32 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: is that last pastebin even worth viewing? |
| 04:28.39 | theswellseason | lol |
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| 04:29.11 | theswellseason | enouf, probably not. I'll just back up all my data and format everything |
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| 04:29.46 | enouf | theswellseason: one moment |
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| 04:30.49 | enouf | theswellseason: grah =>> 8 5 4208998 sda5 and 8 2 98189280 sda2 are Ext'd + 1 Logical .. ugh - where |
| 04:31.00 | theswellseason | hrm? |
| 04:31.02 | enouf | 's fdisk -l output? |
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| 04:31.42 | theswellseason | enouf, refresh pastie |
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| 04:32.26 | enouf | which one? |
| 04:32.46 | theswellseason | erm, I've only been using one |
| 04:32.46 | enouf | it ain't the last one |
| 04:32.47 | cads | question, is it possible to make debian package management concurrent so that multiple transactions in the package database can go on at the same time? |
| 04:32.54 | enouf | no you haven't |
| 04:32.56 | theswellseason | http://pastebin.com/m55a8b1a0 |
| 04:33.13 | enouf | you don't notice how those are 4 different URLs? |
| 04:33.38 | theswellseason | erm, no actually I wasn't paying attention at all. I was just updating the same one |
| 04:33.41 | enouf | cads: what kind of transactions |
| 04:33.43 | enouf | ? |
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| 04:34.59 | enouf | theswellseason: your disk and partition ordering is screwed .. it's fixable, but not sure i want to hold hands through it |
| 04:35.54 | theswellseason | enouf, I'm well aware that it's screwed. there's a reason it's like that but okay. is there a resource you can point me to that will show me how to do it? |
| 04:35.57 | enouf | it goes 1 4 2 3 5 |
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| 04:36.12 | enouf | as far as LBA goes |
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| 04:37.51 | enouf | well .. you need to make some decisions ; a) what is absolutely necessary to keep? Back that up, period , then b) how would you like the disk layout to be? i suggest you go with ONLY a max of 4 Primary partitions == no Ext'd crap |
| 04:38.18 | cads | enough, installs, removes, updates |
| 04:38.18 | cads | they're usually disjoint operations |
| 04:38.19 | cads | but are stopped by the single locking |
| 04:38.21 | enouf | i would blow away sda3 and sda5 to lose them |
| 04:38.21 | cads | perhaps something as simple as a queue would work well |
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| 04:38.28 | UncleBob | Um... wait. The extended partiton contains partitons outside of it? |
| 04:39.07 | theswellseason | enouf, my goal is to keep the NTFS partition as it is, then have two linux partitions, one running debian and one that I use for testing. |
| 04:39.10 | enouf | then 4 becomes 2 and 2 becomes 3 |
| 04:39.15 | enouf | and your set |
| 04:39.26 | enouf | to make a nice new big 4 again |
| 04:39.44 | magyar | that sucked, I blacklisted tha ATI HDMI sound driver, now my audigy comes in as Card=0 but still no sound |
| 04:39.44 | enouf | 1 doesn't need to be touched |
| 04:39.57 | enouf | UncleBob: no |
| 04:40.46 | theswellseason | enouf, so no way of saving 2? |
| 04:40.48 | enouf | UncleBob: notice Start and End of sda3 (Ext'd) and sda5 (Logical) |
| 04:41.06 | enouf | theswellseason: yes - re-read what i wrote |
| 04:41.22 | UncleBob | enouf: Surely sda5 should start at least one block after sda3? |
| 04:41.35 | theswellseason | you said one didn't need to be touched, but what about two? |
| 04:41.52 | UncleBob | theswellseason: It seems like all you need to do is swap a few entries around in the MBR? |
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| 04:42.18 | enouf | theswellseason: you'll need to edit /etc/fstab eventually and perhaps even manually remove symlinks in /dev/disk/* (though udev should do it) and maybe update menu.lst and at worst reinstall grub |
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| 04:42.45 | enouf | UncleBob: no |
| 04:42.53 | theswellseason | erm, okay. |
| 04:43.10 | hatter_au | what could be powering down my monitor ? i have xorg and fluxbox only and cant find what is powering down the monitor |
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| 04:43.27 | enouf | h2oman: DPMS |
| 04:43.32 | enouf | er hatter_au |
| 04:43.45 | enouf | use xset and disable it |
| 04:44.01 | UncleBob | enouf: ... what is exactly the problem that is being caused by the partitions? |
| 04:44.27 | enouf | ~$ grep DPMS /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 04:44.27 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.31 | hatter_au | enouf, how do i make it permanent ? |
| 04:44.37 | enouf | is mine for Enabling it |
| 04:44.41 | enouf | in xorg.conf |
| 04:45.15 | enouf | hatter_au: does it blank out in X only - or is it in Console only? or both? |
| 04:45.28 | hatter_au | enouf: X only |
| 04:45.48 | enouf | hatter_au: if there are any gnome pieces floating about see if there's some applet for it that's controlling it too |
| 04:45.52 | hatter_au | enouf, well, I havent been in a terminal on this box long enough to know if is the term also |
| 04:45.58 | enouf | that's fine |
| 04:46.06 | enouf | UncleBob: ask theswellseason |
| 04:46.15 | theswellseason | YAY, being passed on again! |
| 04:46.43 | enouf | theswellseason: no - i took the time to give you (detailed) advice |
| 04:46.44 | theswellseason | at this point I'm just going to back everything up and format |
| 04:46.55 | theswellseason | enouf, indeed, and I appreciate it |
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| 04:47.50 | enouf | theswellseason: it's that i'm not here to explain in detail your issues/problems to someone who doesn't even seem to know about the partitioning mechanisms work - you do it ;-) |
| 04:48.01 | enouf | no offense UncleBob |
| 04:48.14 | enouf | about how* |
| 04:48.32 | hatter_au | enouf, thx |
| 04:48.40 | enouf | welcome |
| 04:48.53 | hatter_au | where does xset go ? in ServerFlags ? |
| 04:49.10 | enouf | hatter_au: xset is a utility/command |
| 04:49.23 | enouf | !dpms |
| 04:49.24 | dpkg | dpms is, like, know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 04:49.26 | hatter_au | enouf, dont i put it in xorg.conf to make it perm ? |
| 04:49.36 | theswellseason | enouf, fair, but in terms of the advice you gave, editing /etc/fstab, and such, I'm not sure what I need to edit it to say |
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| 04:50.03 | enouf | hatter_au: i'm not sure what the exact option is - or if no option for it means Disable - man Xorg |
| 04:50.13 | enouf | man xset |
| 04:50.19 | hatter_au | enouf, nice, thank you :) |
| 04:50.26 | hatter_au | its been driving me batty |
| 04:50.40 | theswellseason | I'm rather new at all this, and I've probably gotten myself into a situation that I don't have the knowledge to get myself out of though, so I'll just back up and reformat. Thanks for your help, though, enouf |
| 04:50.45 | enouf | hatter_au: my DPMS entry is under Section "Monitor" |
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| 04:51.20 | enouf | theswellseason: either way - there's NO reason whatsoever to touch sda1 |
| 04:51.38 | enouf | theswellseason: you could go nuts and wipe out all others and start fresh from there |
| 04:52.01 | theswellseason | enouf, that's probably what I'll do |
| 04:52.11 | {^KinG^} | -bash: aptitude: command not found |
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| 04:52.17 | {^KinG^} | why i dont have patitude ? |
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| 04:52.24 | theswellseason | back everything up, boot into sda1 and delete all those other partitions |
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| 04:52.55 | enouf | theswellseason: i like parted - but it's CLI - you should go grab a gparted ~100MB LiveCD |
| 04:53.22 | enouf | {^KinG^}: what command? |
| 04:53.29 | enouf | did you run |
| 04:53.43 | enouf | to install or update you need root |
| 04:53.51 | {^KinG^} | kingvds:~# aptitude install ssh |
| 04:53.52 | {^KinG^} | -bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 04:53.52 | {^KinG^} | kingvds:~# |
| 04:54.05 | prophet | apt-get install ssh |
| 04:54.12 | enouf | {^KinG^}: echo $PATH |
| 04:54.27 | {^KinG^} | kingvds:~# echo $PATH |
| 04:54.27 | {^KinG^} | kingvds:~# |
| 04:54.28 | enouf | {^KinG^}: "whereis aptitude" |
| 04:54.36 | enouf | yikes! |
| 04:54.38 | {^KinG^} | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 04:54.45 | enouf | oh |
| 04:54.49 | enouf | hrhr |
| 04:54.50 | {^KinG^} | kingvds:~# whereis aptitude |
| 04:54.50 | {^KinG^} | aptitude: |
| 04:54.50 | {^KinG^} | kingvds:~# |
| 04:55.03 | enouf | apt-get install aptitude |
| 04:55.04 | Trey__ | o.O |
| 04:55.29 | enouf | and use Debian before asking for help in here |
| 04:55.43 | enouf | not one of it's weirdo psycho offsprings |
| 04:56.07 | {^KinG^} | enouf http://rafb.net/p/8SOygF40.html |
| 04:56.34 | enouf | {^KinG^}: the pkgname is openssh-server anyway - use update and cache searches |
| 04:56.49 | enouf | (or openssh-common) |
| 04:57.42 | {^KinG^} | anything i type for apt-get install i see |
| 04:57.43 | {^KinG^} | After unpacking 4039kB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 04:57.43 | {^KinG^} | You are about to do something potentially harmful. |
| 04:57.43 | {^KinG^} | To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' |
| 04:57.44 | {^KinG^} | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:57.48 | enouf | {^KinG^}: stop that! |
| 04:57.49 | {^KinG^} | sorry |
| 04:58.22 | enouf | you;ve mixed releases? |
| 04:58.54 | {^KinG^} | nop |
| 04:59.19 | Manoj | so I see fewer complaints about the new make-kpkg. Either people have goten used to the new behaviour, or they have stopped compiling kernels |
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| 04:59.48 | {^KinG^} | i wanna install ssh and upgrade to lenny |
| 05:00.03 | enouf | {^KinG^}: what i'd try ... is .. and it's your decision, so don't come crying if it breaks worse - is make suer you have both correct versions of the .debs AND their dependencies for each of those 2 pkgs (util-linux and tzdata) and just dpkg -i them once dones |
| 05:00.33 | enouf | judd: versions openssh-server |
| 05:00.33 | judd | enouf: openssh-server -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 lenny: 1:5.1p1-5 sid: 1:5.1p1-5+b1 squeeze: 1:5.1p1-5+b1 |
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| 05:00.59 | enouf | oh -- from Etch? then /msg dpkg etch->lenny {^KinG^} |
| 05:01.12 | enouf | there's a procedure to follow carefully |
| 05:01.19 | {^KinG^} | yeah but i dont have aptitude |
| 05:01.33 | enouf | well go get it and it's depends and dpkg -i them |
| 05:01.35 | {^KinG^} | i remplace aptitude for apt-get ? |
| 05:01.46 | enouf | no - you can still have apt-get |
| 05:03.37 | {^KinG^} | kingvds:~# whereis aptitude |
| 05:03.37 | {^KinG^} | -bash: /usr/bin/whereis: No such file or directory |
| 05:03.37 | {^KinG^} | kingvds:~# |
| 05:03.38 | {^KinG^} | lol |
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| 05:06.59 | JyZyXEL | is there command that displays info about kernel modules? |
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| 05:07.33 | Wyzard | JyZyXEL: lsmod, modinfo |
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| 05:09.06 | pallu | hello all of you im runing ubuntu on my computer i was able to install it from a live cd and i was wondering in order to install debian do i need to have all 5 DVD COPYS??? |
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| 05:10.38 | Wyzard | pallu: no, those DVDs contain all the software available in Debian, but you will probably never install most of that |
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| 05:10.59 | andash | pallu: just use the netinstall cd |
| 05:11.01 | Wyzard | pallu: If you have a reasonably fast Internet connection, you can do a network-based installation, which will download only the packages that you actually need |
| 05:11.15 | Wyzard | !netinst |
| 05:11.16 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small CD image (or set of floppy images) which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
| 05:11.36 | pallu | but i all ready downloaded the 1 DVD |
| 05:11.45 | pallu | it took me 20 days to download it |
| 05:11.51 | andash | wow |
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| 05:11.56 | pallu | im just kidding |
| 05:12.00 | pallu | i just made that up |
| 05:12.08 | andash | you sure got me |
| 05:12.12 | andash | that was great |
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| 05:14.55 | pallu | can i install debian on the same partition as UBUNTU with out erasing anything? |
| 05:15.32 | liable | not on the same partition. if you resize it and make room for another, yes |
| 05:15.49 | pallu | Y ? |
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| 05:17.27 | simonrvn | pallu: um, think about it. |
| 05:18.27 | pallu | its impossible? |
| 05:18.40 | sauvin | It's not possible. |
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| 05:18.51 | pallu | thats tragic |
| 05:18.55 | simonrvn | duh, of course it's not possible. |
| 05:19.05 | sauvin | Why is it tragic? |
| 05:19.19 | simonrvn | smells troll |
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| 05:19.50 | sauvin | smells somebody who wouldn't know the difference between a bash script and a baseball bat |
| 05:20.00 | liable | why do you think it *should* be possible? |
| 05:20.22 | simonrvn | sauvin: probably more accurate |
| 05:20.39 | pallu | because they have the same kernel that would be my thought |
| 05:20.47 | sauvin | To be perfectly fair, I COULD install Ubuntu and Debian on the same partition, but my way is a barefaced lie. |
| 05:21.00 | simonrvn | they do not have the same kernel. |
| 05:21.18 | simonrvn | sauvin: with a chroot... |
| 05:21.28 | sauvin | I wouldn't dream of it. Virtualbox. |
| 05:21.30 | simonrvn | but not directly |
| 05:22.30 | \amethyst | I wouldn't call a partition on a virtual disk on a real partition the "same partition" exactly |
| 05:22.56 | simonrvn | wouldn't either |
| 05:22.58 | sauvin | I *did* say "barefaced lie". |
| 05:23.12 | simonrvn | i saw that ;) |
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| 05:23.44 | conky_v2 | god i love this concert lol |
| 05:24.00 | streuner | Woodstock? |
| 05:24.01 | conky_v2 | ok so i've been playing around with colinux, are there better ways of emulating seamlessly in xp? |
| 05:24.15 | conky_v2 | tonights shorline dead concert streaming |
| 05:24.16 | conky_v2 | lol |
| 05:24.36 | simonrvn | conky_v2: ask #colinux ... |
| 05:24.40 | andash | conky_v2: i know virtualbox provide that functionality with linux host and xp guest, dunno the other way around but you could try |
| 05:24.42 | conky_v2 | i've been playing around with qemu |
| 05:25.12 | conky_v2 | andash: yeah i've done seamless that way, my dvd drive is screwed and i really dont wanna repartition atm and vmware sux |
| 05:25.53 | conky_v2 | i'll check the virtualbox, any others i should check? |
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| 05:29.55 | sauvin | I can't be sure because I've not tried it, but I do believe 'seamless' would be available to all hosts. |
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| 05:33.04 | conky_v2 | sauvin: well we'll both know shortly |
| 05:33.16 | conky_v2 | crap i wonder if i can convert a vm |
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| 05:33.39 | sauvin | From what to what? |
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| 05:33.44 | conky_v2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.59 | conky_v2 | hopefully the directions will still work lol |
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| 05:37.51 | jelly-home | conky_v2: there's also vmware's vdiskmanager to convert a vmdk to a raw image |
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| 05:42.21 | conky_v2 | jelly-home: yeah - so far i only see linux tools that do it lol |
| 05:42.32 | conky_v2 | which means this custom hacked colinux is gonna come in handy hehe |
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| 05:46.02 | ryanCH1 | when playing on any media player such files as mpeg's avi's etc.. i get a little bit of choppy video play back and sometimes the video doesn't even follow the media player if i move it, what is wrong?/ |
| 05:46.14 | enouf | jelly-home: are the tools you mentioned $ ? |
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| 05:46.37 | jelly-home | enouf: part of vmware-server, so no |
| 05:46.49 | enouf | jelly-home: ok, thanks |
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| 05:47.47 | enouf | ryanCH1: what CPU and what media player app - and turn off the shit that shows the contents of the window while you move it |
| 05:48.04 | jelly-home | and I'm wrong above, it's not a raw image as a result, but a nonsparse, single file vmdk; vbox can work with that afair |
| 05:48.19 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 05:48.27 | simonrvn | i do that with the wincrap part. |
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| 05:49.17 | enouf | jelly-home: non-sparse == only the needed space (where data resides) is stored/saved - so if 40M out of a 120M partition are used, the resultant vmdk will be only 40M? |
| 05:49.19 | moparisthebest | is there a way to drop packets based on tcp window size in debian? |
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| 05:49.40 | enouf | no matter of the original fragmentation (which dd would also cp) |
| 05:49.57 | ryanCH1 | enouf: kaffeine .. i mean the video itself doesn't *always* appear in the window when it's playing like i get a partial video in the window while it's playing |
| 05:49.59 | jelly-home | enouf: no, it means an 8GB disk will actually take 8GB |
| 05:50.27 | jelly-home | enouf: opposite of "sparse" |
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| 05:50.28 | enouf | jelly-home: how is that non-sparse? i guess my definition/terminology is mistaken? |
| 05:50.46 | enouf | non-sparse == no 0s in short to me |
| 05:50.46 | jelly-home | you're thinking of sparse |
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| 05:51.03 | enouf | yeah .. ok, i suck then - thanks for the correction |
| 05:51.19 | pibe | hello, to upgrade-distro i need to add lines to my sources.list sid's lines, must i delete lenny lines? |
| 05:51.34 | enouf | well, when i say no 0s i don;t mean literally, just not huge empty spaces/blocks |
| 05:51.40 | simonrvn | if you have to ask, don't do it. seriously. |
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| 05:52.21 | enouf | ryanCH1: well - that could be codec / video app / or even video driver / or X related - try mplayer from dmm |
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| 05:52.42 | enouf | ryanCH1: and i suggest you --purge remove any/all kde bloat |
| 05:52.42 | ryanCH1 | enouf: dmm? |
| 05:52.46 | enouf | !dmm |
| 05:52.46 | dpkg | dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
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| 05:53.30 | ryanCH1 | squeeze is already being tested? wow. |
| 05:53.37 | enouf | !testing |
| 05:53.38 | dpkg | [testing] a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <squeeze> and as <lenny> has only just been released, squeeze users are in for a bumpy ride. Either be clueful or be told that you shouldn't be using testing. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html. Ask me about <testing faq><lenny->squeeze><testing security><moving target><dda><apt-listchanges><bts>. |
| 05:54.27 | enouf | ryanCH1: what CPU? |
| 05:54.42 | enouf | ryanCH1: don't make me make dpkg spank you |
| 05:54.48 | ryanCH1 | enouf: amd 64 x2 3600+ |
| 05:54.54 | enouf | yikes |
| 05:55.01 | enouf | ryanCH1: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 05:55.12 | ryanCH1 | yikes? |
| 05:55.21 | enouf | ryanCH1: grep ACPI /var/log/dmesg | wc -l |
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| 05:55.46 | enouf | ryanCH1: file /bin/ls ; uname -r |
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| 05:56.34 | henhir | Is there such thing as an 3d accelerated virtual machine? So that one might enjoy some incompatible games on reactos? |
| 05:57.03 | simonrvn | wtf are you asking here? |
| 05:57.22 | enouf | ryanCH1: at the least, i suggest you go into K control center and disable all eye-candy aspects for now ... you'll find them .. eventuyally - amongst the other useless options/settings |
| 05:57.41 | enouf | henhir: reactos can react on my ass |
| 05:57.52 | henhir | simonrvn: If there is a software like virtual box but with 3d acceleration. |
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| 05:58.40 | enouf | henhir: so, you want/expect 3D acceleration without the extra hardware needed? like .. you can have 1 Card with 3D and make 20 of them? BWAHAHAHAHA |
| 05:58.51 | enouf | henhir: ever hear of DMA? |
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| 05:59.24 | henhir | enouf: No, I don't know what DMA is |
| 05:59.29 | enouf | how about AGP .. perhaps even PCIe? |
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| 05:59.34 | enouf | !dma |
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| 05:59.34 | dpkg | [dma] (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_memory_access |
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| 06:00.40 | enouf | !8ball is enouf a loyal debian user? |
| 06:00.40 | dpkg | Negative. |
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| 06:00.55 | enouf | !8ball you suck ass and lie |
| 06:00.56 | dpkg | Negative. |
| 06:01.16 | enouf | !enouf |
| 06:01.16 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
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| 06:01.37 | Trey__ | !8ball say negative one more time and you die |
| 06:01.37 | dpkg | Are you smoking crack? |
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| 06:01.42 | Trey__ | owned |
| 06:01.42 | enouf | haha |
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| 06:01.57 | Trey__ | scared dpkg |
| 06:01.57 | enouf | pwn3d (in Blista circles) |
| 06:02.10 | Lanken_ | I have my amarok package "manually installed." How can I upgrade to a different version? |
| 06:02.28 | enouf | Lanken_: what does manually mean? |
| 06:02.38 | enouf | Lanken_: according to aptitude? |
| 06:02.49 | Lanken_ | # apt-get install amarok |
| 06:02.49 | Lanken_ | Reading package lists... Done |
| 06:02.49 | Lanken_ | Building dependency tree |
| 06:02.49 | Lanken_ | Reading state information... Done |
| 06:02.49 | Lanken_ | amarok is already the newest version. |
| 06:02.50 | Lanken_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 06:02.53 | enouf | omg |
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| 06:03.02 | enouf | !spank Lanken_ |
| 06:03.02 | dpkg | bends Lanken_ over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 06:03.03 | Lanken_ | shoot, sorry |
| 06:03.05 | Lanken_ | that didn't even help |
| 06:03.12 | Lanken_ | I needed -V |
| 06:03.25 | Lanken_ | so, with -V I also get a line that says amarok set to manually installed. |
| 06:03.37 | Lanken_ | rigth below "amarok is already the newest version" |
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| 06:03.47 | enouf | !pastebin |
| 06:03.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 06:04.16 | enouf | Lanken_: apt-cache policy amarok and cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:04.21 | Lanken_ | I didn't do it myself. I'm running sidux and I gave a wrong answer during smxi's kde3-kde4 upgrade |
| 06:04.24 | Trey__ | i have a question, why would anyone want to install ubuntu when debian is still around? |
| 06:04.31 | enouf | Lanken_: then don't ask here |
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| 06:04.36 | enouf | !sidux |
| 06:04.36 | dpkg | i heard sidux is <Debian based> (sid) live distro with special focus on clean and easy hard disk install. [from http://sidux.com/Article2.html] It's <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux (on <oftc>). |
| 06:04.48 | Lanken_ | you remember me I guess? |
| 06:04.59 | enouf | Trey__: for all the Redmond-ish-ness |
| 06:06.13 | Trey__ | kinda defeats the purpose to me |
| 06:06.21 | Lanken_ | enouf: their channel is unresponsive at the moment, and what I need is information on apt. It's a borderline case at worst :) |
| 06:06.27 | Trey__ | when i think linux i thing customization |
| 06:06.49 | Trey__ | cant typo on this laptop yet.. |
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| 06:07.05 | enouf | Lanken_: i know you, i think ... but don't ask in here - pm me perhaps |
| 06:07.05 | Lanken_ | Trey__: ubuntu can be easier to install. they do a good job with out-of-the-box functionality on a lot of machines. |
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| 06:08.00 | conky_v2 | meh |
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| 06:08.04 | conky_v2 | i'd be faster to just install |
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| 06:08.16 | enouf | Trey__: i'm like a 2 year old when it comes to trying to operate a craptop without an external "real" keyboard (and especially a mouse, compared to touchpad crapola) |
| 06:08.25 | martian67 | Lanken_, untill something breaks and leaves you stranded |
| 06:08.56 | enouf | Trey__: ubuntu doesn't follow the DFSG, so can offer more "restricted" shit more easily |
| 06:09.00 | Trey__ | yeah, i had to get a mouse, but im just trying to get used to the keyboard so i dont have problems when im on-the-go |
| 06:09.06 | enouf | proprietary only garbage |
| 06:09.14 | enouf | that only Blista lovers embrace |
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| 06:09.51 | Trey__ | !blista |
| 06:09.55 | Trey__ | blista? |
| 06:10.22 | Trey__ | !google blista |
| 06:10.28 | Trey__ | boo |
| 06:10.33 | enouf | Mpoop Vista == Blista .. i'm an original |
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| 06:11.08 | enouf | it gives me blisters, hives and boils just thinking about the sheeple that accept it |
| 06:11.45 | mordy_ | lol |
| 06:11.54 | enouf | Lanken_: no pm? |
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| 06:12.17 | enouf | Lanken_: BTW, did you see Mom today? |
| 06:12.24 | mordy_ | only people wiht a new york accent can understand 'blista |
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| 06:12.28 | enouf | your mom, that is |
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| 06:12.39 | Lanken_ | enouf: so you did get it |
| 06:12.44 | Lanken_ | I have to go teach a class |
| 06:12.49 | Lanken_ | maybe back in a few hours |
| 06:12.54 | enouf | stuffs mordy_ into a Bensonhurst loft |
| 06:12.59 | simonrvn | lzma sucks a lot of cpu on a slow box, but man it's worth it |
| 06:13.03 | enouf | Lanken_: no |
| 06:13.15 | enouf | simNIX: indeed |
| 06:13.18 | enouf | er simonrvn |
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| 06:13.36 | enouf | 3 letter + [TAB] should be enough! |
| 06:13.41 | enouf | letters* |
| 06:13.49 | mordy_ | anyone here familiar with the internals of the debian xen packages? |
| 06:13.53 | enouf | no |
| 06:13.56 | mordy_ | gah |
| 06:13.59 | enouf | mordy_: XENOPTS= |
| 06:14.02 | Trey__ | ooooo "blister" |
| 06:14.03 | Trey__ | lol |
| 06:14.07 | enouf | er SUBARCh=Xen |
| 06:14.09 | simonrvn | from almost 10 MB tar to 1.1 MB tar.lzma :) |
| 06:14.37 | simonrvn | n comes before o in english ;) |
| 06:14.37 | enouf | simonrvn: try http://www.cs.fit.edu/~mmahoney/compression/barf.html |
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| 06:14.56 | enouf | report back .. i'm too lazy |
| 06:15.10 | mordy_ | actually i'm trying to make a debian package for the version of xen i have - but i can't seem to figure out how to set the default search path for xen in respect to the tools |
| 06:15.10 | enouf | i suck |
| 06:15.13 | enouf | mordy_: the version you have sucks ass |
| 06:15.39 | enouf | mordy_: or .. if you want to remain totally on Stable, help with bug reports and such |
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| 06:16.00 | enouf | at the least |
| 06:16.50 | mordy_ | enouf: the version i'm using doesn't suck ass. the debian unstable version does suck though; so i've downloaded xen directly from the xen repository and now want to figure out how to make it work a bit more like debian's packages |
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| 06:17.03 | mordy_ | but someone in #debian-xen on oftc seems to have responded |
| 06:17.19 | mordy_ | or is that you? :P |
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| 06:21.17 | simonrvn | enouf: witf? |
| 06:21.31 | amitz | sorry somehow I fail to recall it. What's the term for the kind of booting edubuntu does in debian? |
| 06:22.35 | enouf | mordy_: so - you're a dev? |
| 06:22.55 | enouf | mordy_: yes, it's not me |
| 06:23.06 | mordy_ | enouf: i'm not a dev - unless you call trying to crack your head on makefiles dev :P |
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| 06:23.39 | enouf | mordy_: if you run unstable, you should know better - especially you |
| 06:23.56 | mordy_ | enouf: i'm not running unstable. it's just the xen hypervisor that's unstable |
| 06:24.10 | mordy_ | and the xen tools |
| 06:24.12 | amitz | ah, ltsp! |
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| 06:25.19 | enouf | mordy_: then you;ve made some really bad choices |
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| 06:25.52 | mordy_ | enouf: no. 3.3 from the xen repository works. 3.3 from sid doesn't. |
| 06:26.15 | mordy_ | so now i'm simply wanting to integrate the one that works as a deb:P |
| 06:26.30 | enouf | mordy_: "... the debian unstable version does suck though; ,.." means you're using stuff from the Unstable mirrors |
| 06:26.47 | mordy_ | enouf: granted... i'm not blaming anyone |
| 06:26.58 | enouf | mordy_: so .. then help |
| 06:27.37 | enouf | mordy_: /msg dpkg mentors ? |
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| 06:27.43 | enouf | mordy_: /msg dpkg nmg ? |
| 06:28.01 | mordy_ | one sec... |
| 06:28.31 | enouf | mordy_: do you know about the devscripts pkg, and others like dh_* ones? |
| 06:29.09 | mordy_ | enouf: i'm rather clueless about dpkg and the like - i guess i could learn though.. i need to read up on this stuff |
| 06:29.18 | enouf | mordy_: yes., you do |
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| 06:29.46 | enouf | !+tell mordy_ -about package basics |
| 06:29.46 | dpkg | told mordy_ about package basics. |
| 06:29.53 | enouf | !+tell mordy_ -about compile |
| 06:29.54 | dpkg | told mordy_ about compile. |
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| 06:30.44 | mordy_ | i know that much :P |
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| 06:31.02 | mordy_ | i'm just saying i don't know enough about actually _making_ them :P |
| 06:31.09 | enouf | !+tell mordy_ -about dpkg-buildpackage |
| 06:31.10 | dpkg | told mordy_ about dpkg-buildpackage. |
| 06:31.11 | mordy_ | so i'll see the maintainers guide |
| 06:31.14 | enouf | yes |
| 06:31.28 | bolt-work | incoming factoid! duck and cover! |
| 06:31.38 | enouf | also look into dpkg-source mordy_ |
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| 06:32.42 | simonrvn | jzumo seriously has to stop that... |
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| 06:33.20 | enouf | simonrvn: i zee NUZTHING! |
| 06:33.39 | enouf | </Sgt. Schultz> |
| 06:33.42 | mordy_ | i don't see anything eithr |
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| 06:34.11 | simonrvn | keeps doing that over and over |
| 06:34.20 | enouf | simonrvn: /hide join part messages |
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| 06:34.45 | enouf | simonrvn: irssi? syntax is diff |
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| 06:36.00 | marcelo | I AM CURRENTLY USING SHITBUNTU FOR THE LAST TIME!!! I TRADE CURRENCY AND I NEED A STABLE MACHINE AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT DEBIAN... HAS ALL BUGS BEEN FIXED ON THE LATEST VERSION? |
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| 06:37.11 | Dominicus | giggles at people who think software could ever be bug free. |
| 06:37.13 | Pulpie | marcelo: yes, the bug where it causes you to type like a jackass is fixed on debian |
| 06:37.30 | maiek | marcelo, no it's still got issues with lowercase support |
| 06:37.45 | simonrvn | enouf: yes, i know. i only do that if i need to. |
| 06:37.47 | Trey__ | caps lock is cruise control for COOL |
| 06:37.56 | maiek | marcelo, they hope to add it in the next patch so we can use debian for irc again |
| 06:38.04 | Pulpie | lol |
| 06:38.06 | simonrvn | marcelo: ouch, my ears, goddammit! |
| 06:38.29 | Pulpie | i currently use freebsd for irc to bypass the lower case support issue |
| 06:38.45 | maiek | I use windows 95 for that and for the security |
| 06:38.52 | Pulpie | but then again I use SSH to connect to it so there is another bug. |
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| 06:40.41 | enouf | simonrvn: i need to |
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| 06:42.15 | enouf | Pulpie: can you give me a quick analogous relationship to how different freebsd is ti openbsd? |
| 06:42.23 | enouf | s/ti/to/ |
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| 06:43.47 | enouf | Pulpie: is it like; debian is to ubuntu as freebsd is to openbsd ; or ; is it debian is to fedora/gentoo as freebsd is to openbsd ; or is it more of a diff? |
| 06:44.14 | enouf | Pulpie: do you even know what an analogy is? |
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| 06:49.23 | maiek | enouf, I don't think the analogy would be very useful |
| 06:49.54 | maiek | openbsd's security mindset isn't really comparable to any major linux distro |
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| 06:51.27 | maiek | http://www.freebsd.org/about.html and http://openbsd.org/goals.html probably provide the best summary |
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| 06:53.20 | simNIX | simply put FreeBSd is focused on easy of use, NetBSD to run on as many arch as posible and OpenBSD focuses on security and flawless code |
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| 06:54.52 | amitz | which one is more recommended: invoke-rc.d or /etc/init.d/ ? |
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| 07:03.48 | enouf | maiek: thanks, but i think you miss what i'm after; as far as an answer |
| 07:04.16 | prophet | simNIX: that's exactly right. |
| 07:05.25 | enouf | simNIX: that tells me nothing about admin'ing each system and they're FHS, kernels + modules, and any FHS .. but thanks as well |
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| 07:09.55 | enouf | simNIX: i mean; does "ease of use" == it's Bloated, based on freedesktop.org HAL + DBUS + Desktop CRAP!? |
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| 07:10.33 | enouf | simNIX: what is their X equivalent? and .. is it based on sockets to function? |
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| 07:11.17 | enouf | why would a Webdev company use Debian + FreeBSD ? |
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| 07:13.08 | simNIX | no not bloated - all are very lean |
| 07:13.16 | simNIX | normal x runs on it |
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| 07:13.23 | simNIX | ad most other linux programs |
| 07:13.40 | simonrvn | x is not specific to linux |
| 07:13.48 | enouf | X sucks ass |
| 07:13.48 | simNIX | with freebsd you have most packages in ports (repository) |
| 07:14.07 | enouf | thanks |
| 07:14.40 | enouf | X needs xlib to do anything a FB cannot |
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| 07:15.00 | simNIX | Im not sure - I dont x on the FreeBSd boxes I run |
| 07:15.01 | enouf | not to mention the bloat of sockets for multiuser |
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| 07:15.33 | enouf | and you cannot even disable it - it's the way it was born .. as a mutant |
| 07:16.04 | enouf | because the world sucked Proprietary Balls ... |
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| 07:16.41 | simNIX | they do like to suck em if they look nice ... |
| 07:16.55 | enouf | simNIX: <simNIX> :simply put FreeBSd is focused on easy of use, ........" == Ubuntu |
| 07:17.35 | simNIX | not ease of use like Ubuntu ... |
| 07:17.35 | enouf | simNIX: they love them especially if they're hairy and smelly it seems |
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| 07:18.26 | enouf | starts bashing the deserving with his sack |
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| 07:19.01 | liable | sack of what? |
| 07:19.40 | enouf | simNIX: remember .. i was asking for an analogy that i can equate with Debian (and maybe GNUJ) |
| 07:20.48 | UncleBob | Does anyone know how to 'unreserve' reserved sectors on an ext2 partition? |
| 07:21.09 | enouf | simNIX: btw - tell Theo deRaadt that his posture towards RMS needs me to pound his head many times |
| 07:21.38 | simNIX | I dont know of a correct analogy ... |
| 07:21.53 | enouf | simNIX: fair ..... thank you |
| 07:22.20 | enouf | UncleBob: man tune2fs |
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| 07:22.53 | UncleBob | enouf: Thanks...! |
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| 07:25.02 | simNIX | enouf, maybe this helps -> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/share/misc/bsd-family-tree?rev=1.129;content-type=text%2Fx-cvsweb-markup |
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| 07:28.53 | o2T7 | Hi, which is the proper moment to make the $package.1 file at? i.e. to run `docbook-to-man $package.sgml` ? |
| 07:29.25 | o2T7 | In upstream MakeFile? After that? |
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| 07:31.56 | enouf | simNIX: thanks |
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| 07:45.42 | hatter_au | if i tell xorg.conf i only have one button on the mouse, i.e Option "Buttons" "1" , why does the right click still work ? |
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| 07:51.04 | osfd_ | I know, I'll be off-topic but I try to read some videos on youtube and I can't because I guess I live in France. Is there an easy wrokaround for that ?? please |
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| 07:52.32 | simonrvn | um, there's a fr.youtube.com... must be your gateway or isp or something... |
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| 07:55.45 | osfd_ | simonrvn: yes but that does not fix my issue. I can't read the video because I'm in france I know that...but I wanna read it and I'd like to make up my IP or something like that |
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| 07:58.17 | hatter_au | why would the fluxbox 'keys' mapping file not work in programs ? ie iceweasel ? |
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| 08:01.19 | hifi | osfd_: you need to use a proxy for that |
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| 08:01.25 | hifi | or just make someone download it for you |
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| 08:02.09 | osfd_ | hifi: that was my initial guess, but I feel like it's a bit complicated to use a proxy (it's worth it, though) |
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| 08:03.53 | o2T7 | hatter_au: the keys file is still valid but, if these programs trap the same keys, it looks like it was fluxbox failing. |
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| 08:05.37 | simonrvn | osfd_: use some open proxy, there's several legit ones around |
| 08:05.45 | hatter_au | o2T7, that is what it looks like, I was then thinking i could remap the right click with xorg , should this work ? |
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| 08:07.02 | o2T7 | hatter_au: I don't know, what I do in these cases is to define new key combinations or even map unused keys (i.e. windoze key) |
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| 08:09.22 | hatter_au | o2T7, i have been trying to remap the right click but failing, i have made a .xmodmap file, then put xmodmap ~/.xmodmap into .xinitrc but its not wokrking yet |
| 08:10.05 | Lanken_ | enouf: still around? |
| 08:11.07 | enouf | Lanken: yes .. but only b/c of lucky timing |
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| 08:11.19 | o2T7 | hatter_au: fluxbox configuration runs after X one, perhaps it would work if you put the xmodmap command into ~/.fluxbox/startup |
| 08:11.39 | hatter_au | o2T7, ok i will try this |
| 08:11.40 | hatter_au | thx |
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| 08:12.25 | hatter_au | o2T7, ah i have tried this already |
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| 08:13.53 | o2T7 | Anyway, firefox keys trapping takes places after any customization |
| 08:14.16 | hans-guenther | guten morgen |
| 08:14.20 | o2T7 | Perhaps they should disable shortcuts for every already mapped key |
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| 08:14.33 | o2T7 | hatter_au: Buenos dÃas |
| 08:14.37 | o2T7 | oops |
| 08:14.43 | o2T7 | hans-guenther: Buenos dÃas |
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| 08:14.54 | superdump | how does one set up dkms to build kernel modules upon new kernel installations? |
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| 08:15.01 | hans-guenther | oh. wrong channel ;) |
| 08:15.04 | hans-guenther | hello :) |
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| 08:15.23 | liable | aloha |
| 08:15.43 | superdump | i searched for debian dkms but didn't find anything particularly useful |
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| 08:20.15 | simonrvn | weliegsitpu'g |
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| 08:21.29 | doudou | Hi, is there a simple tool to view images and sort them in directories, i have fluxbox |
| 08:21.33 | simonrvn | ("good morning" in my lang.) |
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| 08:21.49 | doudou | you know something like in windows xp |
| 08:22.04 | petemc | xp is a simple tool? |
| 08:22.06 | liable | simonrvn: you're welsh? :D |
| 08:22.15 | liable | oh dear |
| 08:22.27 | hifi | doudou: rox |
| 08:22.40 | hifi | or was it |
| 08:22.58 | simNIX | f-spot or gview or gtumb maybe ? |
| 08:23.09 | amphi | doudou: gthumb or gqview perhaps |
| 08:23.32 | liable | gqview i found to be good |
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| 08:23.40 | simonrvn | that is not welsh |
| 08:24.25 | liable | it reads like welsh :) I know you arent :P |
| 08:25.01 | doudou | hifi, thanks for rox, seems kind of tool i was looking for, but i need a small image viewer so it can show me thumnails |
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| 08:25.34 | hifi | can't rox show thumbnails? |
| 08:25.46 | hifi | http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/Klaus_Umbach-1280x1024/screenshot.png there are thumbnails in that shot |
| 08:25.50 | simonrvn | pro'ly the wel* thing... pretty common in mi'kmaq, esp. in greetings |
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| 08:26.01 | simonrvn | hifi: sure it can |
| 08:26.09 | mithro | does debian single user mode require a person to enter a password? |
| 08:26.16 | doudou | hifi, i found rox is all what i needed thanks |
| 08:26.21 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:26.28 | hifi | ok, np |
| 08:27.29 | simonrvn | you can configure it so it doesn't do non-unix user lookups, like with ldap or something. (i think it does by default, but check) |
| 08:28.06 | simonrvn | (you shouldn't have the root superuser in ldap anyway, that's just crazy) |
| 08:28.29 | o2T7 | When building a non-native package ... How should I generate the $package.diff.gz file? With a simple `diff -r`? |
| 08:28.46 | simonrvn | no, with the proper tools |
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| 08:29.22 | o2T7 | simonrvn: Could you please point to them? |
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| 08:29.37 | doudou | i would like to complain about aptitude update or upgrade because it always crash my grub file, i have uuid line in my grub ficonfig file and aptitude update or upgrade crash it, so i am unable to reboot except changing things by hand that mean knowing what sd will be my partitition and as sdmy my mb change sd it is not funny and long like this message |
| 08:29.38 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 08:29.39 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. See also http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>. |
| 08:29.44 | simonrvn | read |
| 08:30.01 | superjoe | hey what's the deal with the new network manager? "Wireless networks: device not managed" |
| 08:30.10 | superjoe | squeeze |
| 08:30.22 | o2T7 | simonrvn: I have all of those links, but I just was looking for that precise task and save the effort of looking for it |
| 08:30.25 | o2T7 | :) |
| 08:31.20 | simonrvn | man dpkg-buildpackage |
| 08:31.36 | doudou | should only use uuid to mount root, said. |
| 08:31.41 | doudou | quit |
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| 08:31.59 | o2T7 | simonrvn: ok, thanks |
| 08:33.24 | o2T7 | I'm using debuild, which calls to dpkg-buildpackage, but I'm calling it from within the upstream source directory, which in turn contains a debian directory |
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| 08:34.19 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 08:35.11 | o2T7 | but this way I get no orig file, neither diff file |
| 08:35.56 | prophet | swhy the hell is this debian notfdafdsfdasfdasafds |
| 08:36.01 | prophet | meh |
| 08:36.11 | prophet | how do i connect to an access point? |
| 08:36.21 | prophet | wait... |
| 08:36.22 | prophet | found it |
| 08:36.45 | prophet | no, i was wrong |
| 08:36.48 | Lanken | what package is kcontrol in? |
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| 08:37.15 | o2T7 | Lanken: kcontrol |
| 08:37.37 | Lanken | o2T7: odd, I got nothing with apt-cache search kcontrol |
| 08:37.41 | Lanken | thanks |
| 08:38.56 | enouf | you fucken dumbasses |
| 08:39.01 | o2T7 | Lanken: in squeeze there is a kcontrol package |
| 08:39.41 | enouf | systemsettings for kde4 BEHEMOTHness |
| 08:40.02 | Lanken | enouf: you presume. I'm trying to fix a qt3 dpi problem. |
| 08:40.54 | enouf | dpkg kde sucks ass is KDE is an acronym for K is a fucken bloated Piece of Shit@! |
| 08:40.54 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
| 08:41.23 | bolt-work | someone's in a good mood today |
| 08:41.33 | superjoe | and not opinionated at all |
| 08:42.01 | enouf | dpkg kde sucks ass =~ and will bring a Dual Core CPU to it's knees |
| 08:42.01 | dpkg | enouf: I give up, what is it? |
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| 08:42.07 | bolt-work | well, kde is bloody bloated |
| 08:42.08 | enouf | dpkg kde sucks ass is KDE is an acronym for K is a fucken bloated Piece of Shit@! |
| 08:42.08 | dpkg | i already had it that way, enouf |
| 08:42.09 | bolt-work | but still |
| 08:42.17 | simonrvn | o2T7: hint, debian/changelog - your version should include a -X (X being a numeral). you would know this if you read TFM. |
| 08:42.26 | enouf | dpkg kde sucks ass is also and will bring a Dual Core CPU to it's knees |
| 08:42.26 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
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| 08:42.56 | bolt-work | enouf: any chance you could do that in msg? |
| 08:42.58 | prophet | oh i see there is somethin called wpa_supplicant |
| 08:43.04 | enouf | bolt-work: no |
| 08:43.07 | superjoe | hey what manual do I FR to learn how to work my new network manager? |
| 08:43.14 | Lanken | I admit it doesn't run as smoothly as windows 7, but I like it ok |
| 08:43.21 | enouf | haha |
| 08:43.26 | RaceCondition | http://dpaste.com/42887/ can someone check out why I'm always getting exim related errors after running aptitude install something? |
| 08:43.33 | bolt-work | right. just wondering |
| 08:43.44 | enouf | dpkg kde sucks ass is also "<Lanken> I admit it doesn't run as smoothly as windows 7, but ..." |
| 08:43.44 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
| 08:43.48 | o2T7 | simonrvn: Yes, it has, it is (1.0-1) at this moment |
| 08:44.07 | simonrvn | then it should be making a diff |
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| 08:44.23 | enouf | you do NOT want to piss me off ... at this time ... trust me |
| 08:44.35 | simonrvn | less is borked again, it's doing this : shit |
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| 08:45.03 | simonrvn | i can't type end to scroll to the bottom... |
| 08:45.08 | superjoe | does someone have a laptop configured with dhcp wireless on an iface and want to pastebin their /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 08:46.11 | dob1 | hi, i have this rule on iptables iptables -A FORWARD -i ppp0 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT, why with iptables -L FORWARD i see this rule as ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere |
| 08:46.26 | dob1 | why anywhere? |
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| 08:47.53 | superjoe | dob1: you didn't specify a source or dest ip address range. |
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| 08:48.46 | dob1 | superjoe: it is correct then? or it is like a iptables -A FORWARD -J ACCEPT ? |
| 08:49.09 | superjoe | I don't know, you should probably read the manual |
| 08:49.13 | superjoe | do it right |
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| 08:50.38 | o2T7 | simonrvn: Everythin is fine now :), thanks again |
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| 08:51.41 | simonrvn | i should re-read that thing... i haven't in a long time. |
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| 08:53.28 | simonrvn | i love the xmms2 version names, some of them are really freaky, xmms2_0.6DrMattDestruction |
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| 08:55.18 | superjoe | how do I tell the new network manager in squeeze that I want it to manage my networks? |
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| 08:57.20 | mib_0u50bn | Hey does anyone know why a disk (sdb) would be disappearing from the system when I try to create a RAID array with mdadm? After attempting, it fails saying I have not provided enough drives, and looking in fdisk shows that sdb has disappeared. Ive replaced the drive itself and the problem persists |
| 08:57.26 | superjoe | I can't even tell what version it is |
| 08:57.30 | superjoe | there's no --version option |
| 08:57.33 | enouf | superjoe: stop with GUI crao |
| 08:57.39 | enouf | superjoe: GUI crap |
| 08:58.17 | enouf | is my suggestion only |
| 08:58.19 | Guerin | bay |
| 08:58.29 | Guerin | ETERM |
| 08:58.31 | superjoe | go to bed enouf |
| 08:58.36 | enouf | ENOENT |
| 08:58.38 | superjoe | you need sleep it sounds like |
| 08:58.56 | enouf | superjoe: SCKMYLRGPCKG |
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| 08:59.05 | bolt-work | superjoe: really, though, stuff like whereami is a lot nicer |
| 08:59.18 | superjoe | ok I will look it up |
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| 08:59.29 | bolt-work | superjoe: console/config files based |
| 08:59.32 | RaceCondition | http://dpaste.com/42887/ can someone check out why I'm always getting exim related errors after running aptitude install something? |
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| 08:59.52 | superjoe | I at least want to try the new code though |
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| 09:00.49 | bolt-work | superjoe: it does nice things like run tons of additional commands if you wish. when it detects my local coffee shop, it changes my mac address to that of the owners machine, and i don't have to pay for wireless |
| 09:00.55 | bolt-work | superjoe: pretty neat |
| 09:01.08 | aspin | how do I change the hostname on a remote etch server plz |
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| 09:01.17 | superjoe | bolt-work: that would be nice if I could download the package from the internet |
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| 09:01.31 | enouf | bolt-work: what a small world you seem to live in |
| 09:01.33 | superjoe | I'm sure it's just one config file quirk I'm overlooking before I'm connected and can try out whereami |
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| 09:02.03 | bolt-work | enouf: it's called norway, why? |
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| 09:02.15 | o2T7 | RaceCondition: Did you try with `dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config`? |
| 09:02.25 | RaceCondition | o2T7: not yet |
| 09:02.29 | enouf | yes, not only tiny , but puny |
| 09:02.51 | RaceCondition | o2T7: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: exim4-config is broken or not fully installed |
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| 09:03.31 | superjoe | what the hell why can't it just tell me what version it is |
| 09:03.36 | bolt-work | enouf: we'd still kick your ass. and throw moose and vikings at you. |
| 09:03.56 | superjoe | it's probably 0.7.1 |
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| 09:04.50 | o2T7 | RaceCondition: Perhaps with purging and reinstalling it `apt-get --purge remove exim4-config && apt-get install exim4` (it removes *everything*) |
| 09:05.06 | RaceCondition | o2T7: actually aptitude install exim4-config did it, thanks :) |
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| 09:05.19 | o2T7 | RaceCondition: cool |
| 09:05.26 | RaceCondition | it just needed an upgrade, apparently |
| 09:06.38 | superjoe | bolt-work: how do you connect to a wireless connection without network manager? |
| 09:06.43 | superjoe | I don't have whereami yet |
| 09:07.03 | superjoe | don't make me steal the cat5 cable from my server |
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| 09:08.32 | superjoe | dpkg: README.Debian? |
| 09:08.33 | dpkg | superjoe: i haven't a clue |
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| 09:09.03 | streuner_ | superjoe: was that a question? |
| 09:09.11 | superjoe | never mind I found it |
| 09:09.11 | streuner_ | how do you connect to a wireless connection without network manager? |
| 09:09.18 | superjoe | yes |
| 09:09.20 | streuner_ | wiki.debian.org |
| 09:09.28 | streuner_ | there are 3 options to do that |
| 09:09.33 | streuner_ | !wireless |
| 09:09.33 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <rt2x00>, <rt28xx>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 09:09.34 | bolt-work | superjoe: http://www.howtoforge.com/whereami_ifplugd_wifi_debian_etch <-- check what whereami is set to do there |
| 09:09.54 | streuner_ | superjoe: NM, interfaces and wiid |
| 09:10.01 | themill | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 09:10.02 | streuner_ | or whatever that stuff is called |
| 09:10.05 | streuner_ | yeah |
| 09:10.12 | superjoe | thanks |
| 09:10.15 | streuner_ | superjoe: read the link themill gave you |
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| 09:11.05 | infinum | hai |
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| 09:11.24 | infinum | wo russkii? |
| 09:11.31 | streuner_ | !ru |
| 09:11.31 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:11.45 | streuner_ | (just a wild guess) |
| 09:11.48 | bolt-work | russians greet people like lolcats? |
| 09:12.07 | infinum | ÑпаÑибо |
| 09:12.09 | bolt-work | hai thar! |
| 09:12.31 | superjoe | :D |
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| 09:13.45 | anoHito | infinum, nihon no kata ? |
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| 09:15.01 | superjoe | in case you guys were curious, the solution to my problem was killing nm-system-settings to activate my configuration rather than restarting network-manager daemon |
| 09:15.09 | superjoe | >.> |
| 09:15.13 | superjoe | :q |
| 09:15.15 | superjoe | oops |
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| 09:16.26 | superjoe | but I will check out whereami |
| 09:16.29 | superjoe | thanks bolt-work |
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| 09:17.22 | infinum | Ркак войÑи в комнаÑÑ Ð½Ð° ÑÑÑÑком ÑзÑке, (Ñ Ð½Ðµ наÑел ее в ÑпиÑке комнаÑ) |
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| 09:18.40 | streuner_ | infinum: talk english please |
| 09:18.40 | bolt-work | infinum: i am in ur queztion markz, pondring ur meaning |
| 09:20.47 | infinum | wo get in russish room? I no find |
| 09:20.57 | bolt-work | !ru |
| 09:20.57 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 09:24.35 | RichiH | is there a way to get the current and total transmission data out of nc? |
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| 09:24.52 | RichiH | similar to kill -SIGUSR1 $(pidof dd) |
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| 09:27.36 | liable | what happened to cupsd? i cant talk to it anymore on :631.. |
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| 09:30.14 | streuner_ | what should happen? |
| 09:30.40 | streuner_ | liable: sid? |
| 09:30.43 | streuner_ | works here |
| 09:30.46 | jelly-home | RichiH: traditional netcat doesn't have that afaik |
| 09:30.58 | nsadmin | it should be capable of running forever and never stopping or causing any problem whatsoever!! |
| 09:31.02 | nsadmin | (NOT) |
| 09:31.25 | nsadmin | liable: check your server logs :) |
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| 09:34.39 | Atul_ | #clear |
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| 09:37.09 | liable | meh, fucking printers. gawd, its been blissfull not having to fuck with cups. now the pain of trying to debug it begins :( |
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| 09:39.11 | CosmicB | hmm, I got an embeded linux thingy with no mii-tool or ethtool. But I do have the 'ip' program . Does anyone know any magic 'ip' paramter that could give me info about the eth0 link, if it's up or not and so on |
| 09:39.12 | themill | liable: it only listens on localhost by default. (Or are you looking in netstat) |
| 09:39.37 | liable | themill: i am trying localhost, i cant even connect to the web interface |
| 09:39.45 | liable | it shows in netstat |
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| 09:40.51 | BW^- | on my debian etch intsallation, "java" was associated with GNU java. now i installed sun java 1.5, |
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| 09:41.11 | BW^- | and re-linked /etc/alternatives/java to /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/bin/java . |
| 09:41.14 | themill | liable: I presume you've tried restarting cups |
| 09:41.20 | BW^- | funnily, when i start tomcat now, it crashes like this: /usr/share/tomcat5.5/bin/catalina.sh: line 253: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.14//bin/java: No such file or directory |
| 09:41.22 | liable | aye |
| 09:41.37 | themill | BW^-: use update-java-alternatives to do all that. |
| 09:42.44 | BW^- | themill: how do i do that? |
| 09:42.57 | BW^- | update-java-alternatives -a .. hmm.. |
| 09:43.06 | BW^- | noo, the auto option took it back to gnu java |
| 09:43.08 | themill | liable: :( "LogLevel debug" it is then.... |
| 09:43.13 | BW^- | aha |
| 09:43.21 | BW^- | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.25 | themill | BW^-: yep |
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| 09:44.21 | BW^- | hmm |
| 09:44.21 | BW^- | : /usr/share/tomcat5.5/bin/catalina.sh: line 253: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.14//bin/java: No such file or directory |
| 09:44.21 | BW^- | d |
| 09:44.21 | BW^- | still get this into the log |
| 09:44.21 | BW^- | hm. |
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| 09:44.38 | themill | dpkg: tell BW^- about paste |
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| 09:47.34 | BW^- | themill: it said: Using JRE_HOME: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.14/ |
| 09:47.49 | BW^- | i did: |
| 09:47.49 | BW^- | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.49 | BW^- | and now it worked |
| 09:48.17 | themill | BW^-: is JRE_HOME exported in your own environment already? |
| 09:48.39 | BW^- | nope |
| 09:49.20 | themill | is failing at finding an etch box to be able to mess with this... |
| 09:50.16 | BW^- | i think it's NP here |
| 09:50.41 | BW^- | this is a test machine, and whether tomcat starts on boot automatically or not doesn't matter |
| 09:50.41 | BW^- | (no idea if it will) |
| 09:50.45 | BW^- | thx for help with update-java.. :) |
| 09:51.27 | themill | BW^-: you could set JAVA_HOME in the tomcat init script to work around this. It shouldn't be needed though... |
| 09:52.22 | BW^- | shouldn't be needed - right |
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| 10:01.24 | milian | I installed kde 4.2.2 packages using the "-t unstable" flag but how do I update these to 4.2.3 now? "aptitude -t unstable update && aptitude -t unstable dist-upgrade" does not give me anything |
| 10:02.10 | bolt-work | eyes enouf and ducks |
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| 10:02.37 | Exule | milian, right, that's not correct. and sorry, if you run stuff from unstable you should know why. |
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| 10:03.07 | themill | milian: you need some decent pinning for unstable to be able to do that. See man 5 apt_preferences and look at the values for pinning. /msg dpkg pinning |
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| 10:03.25 | milian | Exule: and if I _want_ to use some stuff from unstable and _dont_ yet know how it works - where could I find the information on how to get it running? |
| 10:03.36 | milian | themill: thx |
| 10:04.05 | Exule | milian, documentation |
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| 10:04.55 | themill | milian: If you're using unstable, you're expected to be clueful enough to use the man pages, apropos and google to help yourself. Think of them as entry barriers... if you can't work out how to get yourself into trouble, you're not going to be able to work out how to get yourself back out of trouble either. |
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| 10:05.17 | Exule | and common sense (-t unstable won't have any effect on aptitude update...) |
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| 10:06.19 | wsxws | hi all |
| 10:06.39 | wsxws | is there a way to find all smylinks on a certain partition ? |
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| 10:07.12 | petemc | wsxws: find -lname |
| 10:07.21 | Exule | milian, also, aptitude -t unstable dist-upgrade would upgrade to unstable, as the -t flag tells aptitude from which release to fetch packages. you do likely not want to do that. |
| 10:07.29 | nsadmin | wsxws: man find, look at -type |
| 10:08.03 | milian | Exule: true, thanks |
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| 10:15.19 | prophet | you guys got any tips for getting wireless to work |
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| 10:16.11 | nkuttler | prophet: you win the vagueness price |
| 10:16.20 | prophet | nkuttler ;/ |
| 10:16.33 | prophet | let me take a leak and ill come back |
| 10:16.34 | ronr | hi, I got a directory with lots of file starting with WJ, I want to rename all to start with AB instead, what command could I use? |
| 10:16.43 | themill | ronr: rename |
| 10:17.08 | ronr | themill: ok, I should add, without having to do each and every one manually |
| 10:17.20 | nkuttler | ronr: man rename |
| 10:17.53 | ronr | ah... thx (though rename was just an alias for mv) |
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| 10:18.55 | BW^- | themill,*: i have another prob, and that is that I get 404 error on any HTTP request i make to the newly installed tomcat |
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| 10:19.07 | BW^- | any spontaneous idea how to fix? |
| 10:19.32 | BW^- | i created a /var/lib/tomcat5.5/webapps/ROOT/index.html , and tomcat won't deliver it |
| 10:19.48 | BW^- | also i motified /var/lib/tomcat5.5/conf/Common/catalina/localhost/ROOT.xml to use my webapps dir right |
| 10:19.58 | BW^- | i did install tomcat5.5 , -webapps, -admin. |
| 10:21.39 | BW^- | oh wait maybe i see why |
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| 10:23.49 | prophet | okay, im back |
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| 10:24.57 | prophet | my issue is with debian wifi access point location and key exchange. it is not entirely obvious by which means user must configure cryptographic handshake to the ad hoc or infrastructure access point |
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| 10:25.36 | themill | ronr: rename accepts perl regular expressions for the renaming -- you need to know some perl regexps to make sense of it. If you don't, then tools like krename will be easier to use |
| 10:25.57 | prophet | themill: k for kde tools dumb you down dont they |
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| 10:27.36 | themill | prophet: krename is actually much more powerful than rename -- e.g. it can query multimedia file metadata or image sizes/comments etc and embed that into the filename if you want. |
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| 10:28.23 | prophet | there are a lot of apps with no frontendws |
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| 10:28.40 | prophet | i wonder just how difficult it is designing fe's |
| 10:28.59 | prophet | a front end for say, wpa_supplicant |
| 10:29.09 | themill | like wpagui? |
| 10:29.19 | themill | or network-manager? or wicd? |
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| 10:30.10 | prophet | theres a wpagui>? |
| 10:30.18 | jelly | tried knetworkmanager and ... switched to using it |
| 10:30.27 | prophet | i hate all the k's |
| 10:30.30 | wooj | uses wicd |
| 10:30.31 | prophet | kthis kthat |
| 10:30.41 | jelly | kitworks |
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| 10:31.07 | themill | prophet: To me it's pretty simple -- use the tools that are available and stop complaining that such tools don't exist. |
| 10:31.16 | prophet | but i have to thank kde for their accurate naming policy which always tells me what apps are forbidde3n from running locally |
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| 10:31.42 | prophet | themill: none of those tools are around here |
| 10:31.48 | jelly | !installit |
| 10:31.48 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 10:31.52 | prophet | and, honestly, i had no idea they existed |
| 10:32.14 | hatter_au | how could i attach vnc to a running display ie localhost:10.0 ? |
| 10:32.24 | prophet | hatter_au: good question |
| 10:32.27 | jelly | hatter_au: x11vnc does that |
| 10:32.35 | hatter_au | thx jelly |
| 10:33.10 | prophet | wicd looks nice. thank you for suggesting it themill |
| 10:34.08 | prophet | !search wicd |
| 10:34.19 | prophet | oh man |
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| 10:35.33 | jelly | prophet: you probably want "apt-cache search wicd". Or /msg dpkg search |
| 10:35.46 | jelly | or |
| 10:35.49 | jelly | judd: info wicd |
| 10:36.16 | themill | judd info wicd --release sid |
| 10:36.17 | judd | themill: wicd (net): is optional; Version: 1.5.2-1; Size: 222.1k; Installed: 1748k -- wired and wireless network manager |
| 10:36.24 | themill | judd versions wicd |
| 10:36.24 | judd | themill: wicd -- sid: 1.5.2-1 sid: 1.5.9-1 lenny-backports: 1.5.9-5~bpo50+1 sid: 1.5.9-5 squeeze: 1.5.9-5 |
| 10:36.33 | jelly | wth |
| 10:36.50 | themill | (judd currently defaults to "stable" and then fails to find anything so goes off for a sulk_ |
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| 10:37.12 | jelly | themill: sid: 1.5.2-1 sid: 1.5.9-1 [...] sid: 1.5.9-5 ?? |
| 10:37.49 | themill | jelly: nfc... looks like some UDD importing gone mental. |
| 10:37.53 | jelly | u broke it |
| 10:38.06 | themill | not me! I've not touched the Judd code! (yet) |
| 10:38.20 | jelly | judd: info kernel-image-2.6.29-1-686 |
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| 10:38.31 | jelly | judd: versions kernel-image-2.6.29-1-686 |
| 10:38.31 | judd | jelly: kernel-image-2.6.29-1-686 -- |
| 10:38.56 | jelly | erm. |
| 10:38.57 | themill | it needs a "--try-harder" option... |
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| 10:39.03 | jelly | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.29-1-686 |
| 10:39.04 | judd | jelly: linux-image-2.6.29-1-686 -- |
| 10:39.08 | jelly | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.29-2-686 |
| 10:39.08 | judd | jelly: linux-image-2.6.29-2-686 -- sid: 2.6.29-4 |
| 10:39.09 | prophet | judd versions ssh |
| 10:39.10 | judd | prophet: ssh -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 sid: 1:5.1p1-3 lenny: 1:5.1p1-5 sid: 1:5.1p1-5 squeeze: 1:5.1p1-5 |
| 10:39.11 | jelly | \o/ |
| 10:39.33 | themill | judd kernels |
| 10:39.34 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.29-trunk-686 (2.6.29-1~experimental.2~snapshot.13314); sid: 2.6.29-1-686 (2.6.29-3); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 10:39.36 | Roksteady | If anyone could help me it would be great; I have php5, php5-cgi etc at version 5.2.8-0.dotdeb.1 and want to upgrade. When I try to apt-get install php5 it upgrades all my php5-packages but it also adds a bunch of apache packages (I use lighttpd!) |
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| 10:39.42 | themill | jelly: ^^ easier :) |
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| 10:40.10 | Roksteady | But apt-get install php5-cgi will upgrade 8 php5-packages but not add anything new... How can I make it "work" with the meta-package (php5) |
| 10:40.42 | themill | dotdeb.org :( |
| 10:41.32 | jelly | Roksteady: aptitude can sometimes be smarter than apt-get when installing alternatives |
| 10:42.38 | jelly | Roksteady: php5 depends on one of libapache2-mod-php5 | libapache2-mod-php5filter | php5-cgi ... both apt and aptitude have issues tying to figure out the smartest thing to do |
| 10:43.01 | jelly | but one's usually better |
| 10:43.08 | Roksteady | jelly: any easy way to hint it without using preferences file or selections? |
| 10:43.30 | themill | "aptitude install php5-cgi php5" might work ouit |
| 10:43.33 | jelly | Roksteady: use aptitude and see what happens |
| 10:44.13 | jelly | Roksteady: I'd do something like aptitude install php5, then add +Mphp5-cgi when it asks to okay the solution |
| 10:44.16 | Roksteady | jelly: http://pastebin.com/d33e25e0b |
| 10:44.25 | themill | Roksteady: at aptitude's [Y/n/?] prompt, you can give it hints and have it have another go at resolving the dependencies |
| 10:44.40 | Roksteady | themill: I want to end up at a solution I can put into cfengine |
| 10:44.45 | Roksteady | (preferably) |
| 10:45.03 | themill | purge all the dotdeb crap and install the debian packages is the easiest way then |
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| 10:45.24 | jelly | none of those are debian packages, I've no idea if their control files look the same |
| 10:45.47 | jelly | Roksteady: for starters, you can tell aptitude not to consider recommends: -R |
| 10:46.45 | vmlinz | maybe you could make a meta package yourself to depend on php but confilict with apache or download the source file and alter the control file to exclude apache |
| 10:47.01 | Roksteady | hmm true |
| 10:47.19 | jelly | judd: versions php5-cgi |
| 10:47.20 | judd | jelly: php5-cgi -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch15 lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 squeeze: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3 sid: 5.2.9.dfsg.1-2 |
| 10:48.01 | Roksteady | it didn't help with recommends-exclusion |
| 10:48.15 | Roksteady | maybe I should work on selections or apt_preferences |
| 10:48.26 | Roksteady | if I get it right, it should work, shouldn't it? |
| 10:48.37 | Roksteady | just don't want to make it an administrative nightmare in the end :) |
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| 10:49.25 | jelly | at this point we can't even be sure dotdeb's packages are sane enough |
| 10:49.26 | themill | Roksteady: you should be able to do this without pinning. You'll be able to come up with an aptitude command line that does all the installs/removes in one hit, but you will probably need to experiment with the interactive resolver to work out what to do. |
| 10:49.35 | jelly | also, lunch |
| 10:49.37 | jelly | & |
| 10:50.54 | Roksteady | themill: yeah but then I would need to craft a specific shellcommands:: line for cfengine where I would really just like to end up with an entry in packages:: |
| 10:51.11 | Roksteady | my own meta-package is a good solution though. |
| 10:51.17 | Roksteady | thanks for all hints |
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| 10:52.02 | ChoHag | Hmm, not so noisy today. |
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| 10:53.48 | ChoHag | I can't switch keyboard mode in X (no gnome/kde/etc.) but it works in the console. |
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| 10:54.24 | ChoHag | I tried setting a key with xmodmap to Mode_Switch and ISO_Next_Group (?) but that had no effect. |
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| 10:55.47 | ChoHag | Is it even possible to switch layouts in plain X without resorting to something like setxkbmap? |
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| 11:05.13 | fanti | hello! is testing the same as unstable? |
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| 11:06.18 | liable | of course not |
| 11:06.35 | liable | why would it be called testing if it was? |
| 11:07.17 | liable | its the same in that you can expect a certain amount of bugs, though less than unstable, and hopefully not as bad bugs as in unstable. |
| 11:07.35 | fanti | thanks |
| 11:09.31 | fanti | is there anything to consider when i like to install debian on a machine with 4 GB of RAM? to make all memory available? |
| 11:10.17 | petemc | !bigmem |
| 11:10.18 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit. |
| 11:10.23 | liable | use a ... |
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| 11:20.51 | o2T7 | After building my package, it installs well on pbuilder. But I'm trying to install it via `dpkg -i $package.deb` under a new sid installation and I get dependencies errors ($package depends on $depend1; however $depend1 is not installed). Shouldn't dpkg install automatically $packages's dependencies without being necessary a `apt-get -f install` ? |
| 11:21.07 | petemc | no |
| 11:21.40 | o2T7 | petemc: Oh, ok, I was afraid that It was a packaging problem |
| 11:21.51 | xororand | is there a way to reduce segmentation of LVM logical volumes? |
| 11:22.13 | mustu | i want firefox and flash Player. But both are not available in repo. best alternative? |
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| 11:22.31 | xororand | mustu: in debian-land, firefox is called iceweasel due to trademark issues |
| 11:22.31 | bolt-work | !firefox |
| 11:22.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, firefox is replaced by iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. |
| 11:22.35 | o2T7 | petemc: Would apt install them? |
| 11:22.46 | petemc | o2T7: yes, or gdebi |
| 11:22.52 | xororand | mustu: flashplugin-nonfree is available in the nonfree repositories |
| 11:23.05 | o2T7 | petemc: Ok, thanks a lot :) |
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| 11:23.15 | mustu | xororand: how to enable non-free repo? |
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| 11:23.36 | frantik | hello, i'm searching a smp kernel but i can't found any package, can you help (lenny up to date install, sources.list contains main contrib and non free listings) |
| 11:23.44 | xororand | mustu: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
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| 11:24.10 | mustu | feels iceweasel isn't that much comfortable as firefox. very simple, no add-on |
| 11:24.13 | frantik | (kernel-image doesn't return anything) |
| 11:24.16 | liable | frantik: all 686 kernels are smp enabled now |
| 11:24.24 | liable | !smp |
| 11:24.24 | dpkg | methinks smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMP-HOWTO.html, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or ... |
| 11:24.30 | frantik | Ok but what if i have an amd64 kernel ? |
| 11:24.32 | liable | meh |
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| 11:24.44 | xororand | mustu: iceweasel can run any addon that works with firefox. |
| 11:24.47 | petemc | mustu: its the same thing with a different name and icon |
| 11:24.48 | liable | frantik: same i beleieve |
| 11:24.55 | mustu | !iceweasel |
| 11:24.56 | dpkg | iceweasel is probably a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian from Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox-fork which is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). Ask me about <why iceweasel> <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about ... |
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| 11:24.59 | o2T7 | franktik, try linux-image |
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| 11:25.44 | frantik | o2T7, did but was searching for a specific smp |
| 11:25.51 | frantik | installing amd64 specific kernel brb |
| 11:26.01 | o2T7 | frantik: oh, sorry ;) |
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| 11:26.18 | mustu | means, firefox code is complied without FF trademark? |
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| 11:28.11 | mustu | why iceweasel don't support Ctrl+Enter to compelete URL in address bar. |
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| 11:49.21 | Sir-Integra | Hey, i don't know if this is the best place to ask, but i can't seem to find a channel that can do it. |
| 11:49.50 | Sir-Integra | I've apt-get install pure-ftpd-mysql - set it up etc, when i've issued the command /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd-mysql start - it doesn't start, nor do i get any error messages in the log file. |
| 11:50.21 | Sir-Integra | I am using debian. I'm just wondering has anyone had the same issue has this before? it's starting to annoy me, as i've done the process around 7 times. |
| 11:50.34 | petemc | Sir-Integra: add -x to the #!/bin/sh line |
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| 11:51.14 | mustu | Can one install nVidia drivers for debian like in fedora from rpmfusion? |
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| 11:51.39 | OpenTokix | mustu: yes, using module assistant and non-free repos |
| 11:52.07 | Martin2 | Hello |
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| 11:52.58 | Martin2 | Someone there, who knows about partitioning? |
| 11:53.08 | WormFood | where do I get the chinese fonts for the stable branch? |
| 11:53.29 | Sir-Integra | Starting ftp server: + start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/pure-ftpd/pure-ftpd.pid --exec /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper -- mysql |
| 11:53.29 | Sir-Integra | Running: /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-mysql -l mysql:/etc/pure-ftpd/db/mysql.conf -l pam -O clf:/var/log/pure-ftpd/transfer.log -A -u 1000 -E -j -B |
| 11:53.33 | Sir-Integra | oops, sorry. |
| 11:53.33 | WormFood | Martin2, just ask your question...we have over 800 people here....*someone* knows partitioning |
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| 11:53.51 | Sir-Integra | Well, that was the message i got, but pure-ftpd just didn't start. |
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| 11:54.44 | petemc | Sir-Integra: you can try running the commands that are run in the init script yourself, see what happens |
| 11:55.06 | Sir-Integra | yeah, i'll give that a go. |
| 11:55.13 | WormFood | Sir-Integra, also, check for options to give you more info to the screen, and check your log files |
| 11:55.19 | Sir-Integra | Nothing logs. |
| 11:55.23 | FilipeMaia | Is it possible to log bittorrent connections using iptables? |
| 11:55.31 | WormFood | so, enable logging |
| 11:55.32 | Sir-Integra | that's the thing, for some reason pure-ftpd is not logging, i don't see why, either. |
| 11:55.49 | Sir-Integra | I never had the option to enable or disable logging, so how could it be enabled OR disabled for that matter? |
| 11:55.56 | WormFood | well, then you'll have to start it manually, with the options to give you the info you need |
| 11:56.40 | WormFood | well, it logs, so it must be disabled, or something else is stopping it from logging...like perhaps it can't open the log files, or it stops running before it gets to the log stage |
| 11:56.53 | Martin2 | The thing is; I got a new laptop yesterday which I can use when traveling. The problem is that I have to keep the Windows XP installation as it is, but I want to install debian. So I tried partitioning and it worked bt without encryption. |
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| 11:57.24 | Martin2 | So now I tried LVM with encryption but it wants to format the whole harddisk and thats what I cannot do |
| 11:58.18 | WormFood | you want to boot linux from an encrypted partition? |
| 11:58.19 | Martin2 | Also Windows uses 2 primary partitions and I can only use 4? |
| 11:58.55 | Martin2 | No, boot from normal ext3 and set up all the other things encrypted |
| 11:59.16 | Martin2 | As it works when formating the whole harddisk |
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| 11:59.24 | WormFood | well, you have 4 primary partitions for Intel style PCs |
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| 11:59.43 | Martin2 | I have uncrypted /boot and the rest is encrypted |
| 11:59.47 | WormFood | of course you can have more than 4 partitions, but you can not have more than 4 primary partitions |
| 11:59.53 | Martin2 | Yes, right |
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| 12:00.08 | Martin2 | But I am not able to change primary -> logical |
| 12:00.14 | WormFood | so, you use one of your primary partitions to make an extended partition |
| 12:00.17 | Martin2 | And thats why i wanted to use LVM |
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| 12:00.54 | WormFood | I haven't touched LVM in a long time, so I honestly can't say much about it...stick around long enough, and someone will help (you may have to ask again) |
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| 12:01.22 | Martin2 | Okay |
| 12:01.40 | Martin2 | How would you set up an extended partition? |
| 12:01.50 | WormFood | while you wait, I suggest you check the LVM docs |
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| 12:02.02 | WormFood | you must really be a noob to ask that question :P |
| 12:02.05 | jon- | after having updated to 2.6.26-2, the console automatically switches to framebuffer during bootup. how to avoid this ? |
| 12:02.16 | Martin2 | Yea I am :) |
| 12:02.18 | WormFood | when you make a new primary partition, you just select the type of extended partition |
| 12:02.58 | Martin2 | Yes |
| 12:03.00 | Martin2 | I cannot |
| 12:03.11 | jelly | !+tell jon- -about nofb |
| 12:03.13 | dpkg | told jon- about nofb. |
| 12:03.17 | WormFood | you allocate space to the extended partition, then allocate space out of the extended partitions to the logical partitions |
| 12:03.37 | Martin2 | Wait I restart with normal install |
| 12:03.42 | WormFood | why can't you make an extended partition? |
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| 12:04.05 | Martin2 | Thats also my question :) |
| 12:04.13 | jon- | jelly: thanks |
| 12:04.33 | WormFood | what does it say when you try to make an extended partition? |
| 12:05.15 | Martin2 | It doesnt give me the option to do it |
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| 12:06.13 | Phlogi | when I've delted a default config file, how can I reinstall the package so I get the default config back, --reinstall does not work |
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| 12:07.13 | jon- | Phlogi: maybe purge and reinstall |
| 12:07.23 | jelly | !+tell Phlogi -about confmiss |
| 12:07.23 | dpkg | told Phlogi about confmiss. |
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| 12:07.41 | Phlogi | thanks :) |
| 12:07.54 | Phlogi | the package I'm having troubles with is transmission btw |
| 12:08.27 | jelly | make sure you reinstall the correct package, if the app is split in multiple binary packages |
| 12:08.44 | jelly | eg. it can sometimes be foo-common instead of foo |
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| 12:09.06 | Phlogi | jelly: jup, I already just recreated the config file |
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| 12:10.57 | WormFood | Martin2, when you tell fdisk to make a new partition, it will asks if you want a primary or extended partition. |
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| 12:11.12 | Vollstrecker_ | hifi, my apt just refuses to download Packages.gz. It just wants a Packages.bz2. Is this new? |
| 12:11.46 | jon- | jelly: unfortunately it still switches to fb. should i remove the vga=normal ? |
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| 12:12.08 | WarptwistDK | is it possible to create a user without a home directory? |
| 12:12.14 | Phlogi | runs again :) |
| 12:12.23 | jelly | jon-: you could try but I don't think it'll matter |
| 12:12.30 | liable | WarptwistDK: yep, man adduser |
| 12:12.36 | WarptwistDK | thx |
| 12:12.56 | dub | whats a terminal web browser with ipv6 support |
| 12:13.29 | Sir-Integra | gahh |
| 12:13.38 | Sir-Integra | pure-ftpd-mysql is giving me a headache. |
| 12:13.41 | jon- | damn, i really need to disable it as the framebuffer seems to crash one of my machines |
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| 12:17.17 | jon- | ok, i was wrong, the machine doesnt crash, the log just scrolls to the top and stays locked (cant reach my login/prompt) |
| 12:17.44 | jelly | jon-: mmm, you could always blacklist the relevant *fb kernel modules in initramfs |
| 12:17.44 | jelly | dpkg: test |
| 12:17.44 | jelly | apt: blacklist initramfs |
| 12:17.45 | jelly | apt: test |
| 12:17.46 | apt | Failed! |
| 12:17.46 | jelly | srsly |
| 12:17.47 | jelly | jon-: http://dpkg.vireo.org/factoid.php?key=blacklist-initramfs |
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| 12:17.47 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 12:18.47 | jelly | jon-: did you get that blacklist-initramfs factiod in any way? |
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| 12:18.58 | jelly | was apparently lagged |
| 12:19.01 | jon- | jelly: thanks very much |
| 12:19.09 | frantik | back |
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| 12:22.04 | frantik | dpkg, test 1 != 0 |
| 12:22.05 | dpkg | Testing 1 != 0... Segmentation fault (core dumped)$#$ |
| 12:22.09 | frantik | haha :D |
| 12:23.04 | UncleBob | ... that's nethack? =) |
| 12:23.21 | jelly | dpkg -l frantiksstuff |
| 12:23.22 | dpkg | ii frantiksstuff 2.1-3.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 12:23.34 | unomi | turns off the light |
| 12:24.17 | frantik | o_0 |
| 12:24.19 | frantik | weird bot |
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| 12:25.43 | Phlogi | anyone using transmission torrent client on a different directory for downloading? Here it does not work... torrents just stop after i add them |
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| 12:26.26 | unomi | transmission does not support DHT? |
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| 12:26.49 | unomi | nothing to do with your problem though, are you sure you have perms to the dir? |
| 12:27.20 | frantik | dpkg, help test |
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| 12:28.10 | Martin2 | I think I found the error |
| 12:28.35 | Martin2 | One of the Windows partitions already used the extended |
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| 12:28.52 | Martin2 | I can only set up one extended edition, am I right? |
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| 12:30.12 | frantik | yes |
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| 12:30.44 | frantik | because of the limited number of primary partitions you can use an extended one to have a subset of partitions |
| 12:30.57 | frantik | that is the purpose of an extended partition |
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| 12:31.43 | Martin2 | right. So I have a primary Windows partition and an extended partition with a second Windows partition |
| 12:32.28 | Martin2 | If I want to install Debian now, may I just use the extended partition for Debian or does it need a primary to boot? |
| 12:32.28 | Roksteady | I can't seem to pin (apt_preferences) or --set-selections to prevent a package, ANY version of it, from being installed... Can anyone help? |
| 12:33.14 | frantik | got a problem |
| 12:33.18 | frantik | for installing php5 |
| 12:33.20 | frantik | Les paquets suivants ont des dépendances non satisfaites : |
| 12:33.20 | frantik | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.20 | frantik | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.25 | frantik | o_0 |
| 12:33.44 | frantik | my aptitude request : aptitude install apache2 awstats phpmyadmin php5-comm mysql-server-5.0 |
| 12:34.03 | frantik | nevermind |
| 12:34.22 | frantik | php5-common is the proper package.. |
| 12:34.27 | frantik | (or sounds like) |
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| 12:36.05 | ledestin | Can't create file (permission denied) on an NTFS partition using kernel ntfs driver, autofs. Mount point has permissions of 770, mounted rw. |
| 12:36.26 | frantik | ledestin, try driver ntfs-3g |
| 12:36.51 | frantik | mount -t /dev/node /mnt -o force |
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| 12:36.58 | frantik | mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/node /mnt -o force |
| 12:37.00 | frantik | sorry |
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| 12:38.51 | ledestin | frantik: thanks. Is 3g better than kernel driver in some way? |
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| 12:39.05 | frantik | ledestin, it does allow ntfs writting |
| 12:39.16 | frantik | wich i think kernel basic ntfs driver dont |
| 12:39.21 | frantik | iirc of course |
| 12:39.24 | frantik | i can be wrong |
| 12:39.26 | ledestin | frantik: it did in Etch |
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| 12:42.51 | enouf | bolt-work: your meek offerings of attack are nothing but laughable jokes to NASCAR fans |
| 12:43.27 | enouf | bolt-work: we'll make a Monster Truck rally out of your entire country |
| 12:44.17 | wooj | its got what plants crave! |
| 12:44.39 | Wyzard | ledestin: The kernel driver's support for NTFS writing was very bad |
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| 12:45.30 | Wyzard | ledestin: After unmounting you'd have to run a special program to fix up most of the things it broke, and flag the filesystem as dirty so that the next time Windows booted, it would run chkdsk to fix the rest |
| 12:45.38 | enouf | you fucken dumbasses |
| 12:46.45 | enouf | Wyzard: you mean like a chkdsk /f ? |
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| 12:46.51 | enouf | Wyzard: you mean like a chkdsk /f C: ? |
| 12:46.58 | ledestin | Wyzard: hm, ok. I didn't use it much, whatever I did worked though. |
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| 12:47.15 | enouf | ledestin: you did nothing of consequence |
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| 12:48.06 | Wyzard | enouf: I mean the automatic chkdsk that Windows does at boot time if the machine was shut down uncleanly, like the automatic fsck on a Linux system |
| 12:48.46 | enouf | ledestin: google POSIX and learn how the difference is between WinPoop writes are vs Linux writes are |
| 12:49.03 | mustu | How we can know about dependencies before installing. |
| 12:49.23 | enouf | Wyzard: chkdsk /f == fix ; chkdsk /r == repair, but f implies r |
| 12:49.50 | enouf | or something like that |
| 12:50.16 | enouf | Wyzard: i've done it from Recovery Console to save some bitch |
| 12:50.22 | zamba | tool to automatically update a system? |
| 12:50.32 | enouf | zippy: j0'm0mma |
| 12:50.34 | zamba | unless it breaks something |
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| 12:52.13 | RichiH | jelly-home: anything that behaves like netcat and can do this? |
| 12:52.18 | RichiH | (yes, i am laggy) |
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| 12:53.54 | frantik | enouf, ?????????????????? |
| 12:54.01 | frantik | you gone crazy ? |
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| 12:56.47 | frantik | hardened php got integrated into php5 ???? |
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| 12:59.15 | themill | fsvo hardened that's not oxymoronic with "php". |
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| 12:59.41 | avu | heh |
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| 13:01.40 | frantik | themill, huh.. sorry wasn't launching a troll, it's just that i'm surprised seeing that in my default php5 install o_0 |
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| 13:02.33 | frantik | imho i would get rid of it in fact since i don't want it |
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| 13:11.55 | frantik | heh my debian runs perfectly under vmware :P |
| 13:12.07 | frantik | oh fyi, yes amd64 kernel contains SMP |
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| 13:12.10 | frantik | :) |
| 13:14.20 | frantik | zamba, still searching for an automation tool ? |
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| 13:15.03 | enouf | frantik: fuck you |
| 13:15.17 | enouf | frantik: do NOT question me |
| 13:15.30 | frantik | enouf, i'd like that but with a condom please. |
| 13:16.02 | frantik | haha, another omnipotent moron |
| 13:16.06 | enouf | no - nothing you request is worth consideration |
| 13:16.42 | frantik | i do think that you are not worth consideration, hence welcome to my ignore list idiot. |
| 13:16.56 | enouf | do not flood the channel with useless ? marks |
| 13:17.04 | enouf | you fucken dumbass |
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| 13:17.16 | frantik | just go get a life |
| 13:17.18 | frantik | asshole |
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| 13:17.22 | enouf | welcome to my bozo box shitface |
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| 13:18.04 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
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| 13:18.17 | frantik | rysiek|pl, hi |
| 13:18.26 | rysiek|pl | any ipsec gurus here? I have got a strange issue, an IPSec tunnel works AOK one-way, but fails the other |
| 13:18.40 | frantik | rysiek|pl, checked the filtering ? |
| 13:18.51 | rysiek|pl | i.e. when I ping host2 from host1 it works and I get responses |
| 13:19.02 | rysiek|pl | but pinging host1 from host2 - nothing |
| 13:19.03 | frantik | rysiek|pl, (could there be a router between the two N) |
| 13:19.04 | frantik | ? |
| 13:19.26 | rysiek|pl | frantik: both are behind NATs, both work in -m tunnel mode |
| 13:19.45 | frantik | rysiek|pl, they aren't on the same network, right ? |
| 13:19.48 | rysiek|pl | nope |
| 13:20.09 | frantik | between the two, if you don't have a specific iptable ruleset, you've got a filter |
| 13:20.15 | rysiek|pl | a sec |
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| 13:20.38 | rysiek|pl | frantik: when tcpdumping, I can see that when I initiate the connection from host2, I get ESP packets in tcpdump output on host2 AND host1 |
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| 13:20.49 | mustu | m out of space on / .. possible solution? |
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| 13:21.03 | frantik | mustu df -h, check other devices |
| 13:21.11 | rysiek|pl | frantik: when I do the same on host1, I only see pure/clear packates (i.e. ICMP) in tcpdump on host1 |
| 13:21.18 | frantik | mustu, temprarly solution : aptitude clean |
| 13:21.46 | rysiek|pl | frantik: seems like the packages aren't even gettin routed through the tunnel, when connection is being initiated from host1 |
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| 13:22.00 | frantik | (remove all downloaded packages in /var/cache/apt/archives) |
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| 13:22.13 | frantik | rysiek|pl, sec i'm checking something.. |
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| 13:22.50 | rysiek|pl | frantik: host1 is an oold kernel (2.6.15 old...), maybe that's the problem |
| 13:23.37 | frantik | rysiek|pl, as far i can see trough docs, it seems that the nat is the problem, the IPSec datagram gets modified |
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| 13:24.20 | frantik | sec.. |
| 13:24.31 | rysiek|pl | frantik: why does it work one way then? |
| 13:24.38 | frantik | http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/iseries/v5r3/index.jsp?topic=/rzaja/rzajaudpencap.htm |
| 13:24.44 | rysiek|pl | frantik: and fail the other? that's strange |
| 13:24.51 | rysiek|pl | frantik: digging into it, thanks |
| 13:25.08 | frantik | i'm searching if there is a nat transversal solution |
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| 13:25.23 | mace | i have started getting odd ssh issues of late - i connect using -X to another machine, and can start up X applications with no issues, but even whilst doing absolutely nothing with no X apps running, i get these errors on the console randomly: "X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication." |
| 13:25.30 | mace | anyone have any ideas? |
| 13:25.58 | gsarjeant | exit |
| 13:26.28 | frantik | mace, get the network off, see if it still happens |
| 13:26.38 | frantik | (that's the first check to do) |
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| 13:28.13 | frantik | rysiek|pl, http://packages.debian.org/en/lenny/openswan |
| 13:28.33 | frantik | rysiek|pl, if my info is correct it includes nat transversal |
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| 13:29.20 | frantik | rysiek|pl, my google keywords (so you can further continue alone) : "debian ipsec nat transversal" |
| 13:29.22 | rysiek|pl | frantik: ok, does the other side need precisely that too? |
| 13:29.26 | frantik | (without "") |
| 13:29.32 | frantik | rysiek|pl, i think so |
| 13:29.33 | rysiek|pl | frantik: sure, thanks |
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| 13:30.21 | frantik | mace, for what it means, it means that it got an identy request from somewhere else (check logs) and that it failed |
| 13:30.31 | frantik | mace, be sure to NEVER use root in remote X |
| 13:30.43 | frantik | (or else, you are probably already rooted) |
| 13:30.57 | frantik | (see rootkit in wikipedia for further info) |
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| 13:35.40 | TRoXa | is there a command that can tell you what version of debian the hosted server i have is running ? |
| 13:36.06 | liable | TRoXa: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:36.28 | liable | TRoXa: libc6 version is a better bet though (if you have a mongrel system) |
| 13:36.38 | TRoXa | it says 4.0 is that sarge or lenny or ? |
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| 13:36.59 | liable | sarge |
| 13:37.02 | frantik | etch |
| 13:37.06 | mace | frantik: the errors appear on the console with which i connected using -X, nothing in syslog on either machine |
| 13:37.08 | frantik | sarge is 3.0 liable |
| 13:37.11 | liable | you missed etch completely :P |
| 13:37.12 | jelly | !win frantik |
| 13:37.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, frantik! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 13:37.19 | liable | frantik: woody was 3.0 |
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| 13:37.28 | TRoXa | ty :) |
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| 13:37.35 | frantik | if lenny is 5.0 then etch is 4.0 and sarge 3.0 |
| 13:37.38 | frantik | simple as that. |
| 13:37.42 | mace | frantik: obviously i can't unplug the network between the two machines, or i won't be able to connect; do you mean unplug the internet connection? |
| 13:37.42 | jelly | frantik: sarge is 3.1 |
| 13:37.55 | riot | hmm, i need a tool to select utf-characters for specific fonts. Is there anything available? |
| 13:37.57 | TRoXa | lol i think i started a war :S |
| 13:38.04 | frantik | and etch is ? :D |
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| 13:38.14 | jelly | frantik: the rest is correct |
| 13:38.14 | mace | frantik: running the ssh client in verbose mode gives no obvious clues as to what is attempting the connection. and no, i'm not connecting as root |
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| 13:38.28 | slobad23 | some of the discussions on here are about such complex topics... like what is the name of version 4.0 :D |
| 13:38.34 | frantik | mace, check in /var/log |
| 13:39.04 | mace | frantik: client? server? |
| 13:39.05 | joeLow | hey guys, im trying to figure out my gateway IP address, im on a /24, but int route the gateway is called gateway59, when i ping this, i dont get anything, and when i traceroute, the first hop is a totally different subnet to me |
| 13:39.07 | frantik | liable, my bad 3.1 is sarge, but still 4.0 means etch |
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| 13:39.23 | frantik | mace, if the errors happened locally, local |
| 13:39.24 | jelly | !release history |
| 13:39.25 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 13:39.34 | frantik | http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 13:39.43 | riot | ah, i found something :) |
| 13:39.46 | frantik | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ("Etch") actuelle version oldstable |
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| 13:40.05 | frantik | while i was wrong for sarge i'm not about etch :P |
| 13:40.11 | TRoXa | lol :D |
| 13:40.17 | liable | i was confused too. i thought it was 3.0 woddy, 4.0 sarge, 4.1 etch. had my major numbers mixed up.. |
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| 13:40.31 | TRoXa | i wonder why a company that hosts servers deliver them with a 2 year old system :S |
| 13:40.37 | frantik | joeLow, ifconfig -a <interface> |
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| 13:41.06 | sep | TRoXa, becouse stabillity > bling any day |
| 13:41.17 | frantik | joeLow, route can also help you |
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| 13:41.58 | ranix | everyone forgets about Debian 3.11 |
| 13:42.02 | ranix | Woody for Workgroups |
| 13:42.06 | frantik | liable, well, at the next convention if i'm in you'll get a free beer and vice versa |
| 13:42.07 | frantik | :P |
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| 13:42.24 | frantik | ranix, hahahahahahha |
| 13:42.29 | sep | ranix, ugh ! |
| 13:42.31 | joeLow | frantik: ifconfig doesnt show my gateway, and route only shows it as gateway59, i cant get the IP from that, when i ping gateway59, i get nothing |
| 13:42.31 | frantik | rofl on this one |
| 13:42.31 | sep | uff |
| 13:42.48 | frantik | joeLow, try : nslookup gateway59 |
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| 13:43.16 | mace | frantik: i've set up an ssh client and server running in debug mode, not seeing anything obvious that indicates the source, but i do see this error on the client: debug2: X11 connection uses different authentication protocol |
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| 13:43.22 | frantik | ping gateway59 should output the ip also |
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| 13:44.17 | frantik | mace, i can't access my logs right now but i think auth.log is the one you're looking for |
| 13:44.26 | frantik | either local or remote |
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| 13:44.38 | mace | i'm doubtful it will contain anything.. |
| 13:44.49 | joeLow | frantik: when i ping, it cant determine what gateway59 is, and nslookup doesnt work either...but my traffic routes fine |
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| 13:45.34 | frantik | joeLow, hold on.. |
| 13:45.42 | thechef | Can i schedule something for next reboot (and only next reboot) with cron? |
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| 13:45.56 | liable | frantik: jug for jug! |
| 13:46.14 | frantik | thechef, no |
| 13:46.41 | frantik | joeLow, can you put on a pastebing the results of ifconfig -a ? |
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| 13:46.47 | frantik | pastebin* |
| 13:46.58 | slobad23 | thechef, for a one off job at a certain time, us 'at' |
| 13:47.14 | frantik | joeLow, are you on dhcp ? |
| 13:47.23 | thechef | Is there a different way to schedule something for next reboot and only next reboot that doesn't imply writing with scripts to the runlevel configuration on filesystem level (and instead calls existing tools to manage this for me)? |
| 13:47.24 | mace | frantik: confirmed nothing being logged by ssh client or server |
| 13:47.43 | frantik | thechef, at as slobad suggested |
| 13:47.56 | frantik | mace, search the other common logs, syslog, kern etc |
| 13:47.59 | frantik | messages |
| 13:48.09 | mace | frantik: i did :P |
| 13:48.10 | justin | at doesn't support @reboot though |
| 13:48.18 | thechef | ah |
| 13:48.19 | thechef | thanks |
| 13:48.40 | Exule | thechef, @reboot will make it run at startup |
| 13:48.46 | slobad23 | justin, using it for the time he is going to reboot was the closest thing i could think of |
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| 13:49.00 | slobad23 | go me! |
| 13:49.07 | jelly | thechef: man 5 crontab |
| 13:49.11 | justin | i'd just drop a script in /etc/cron.d/ and delete itself after it runs |
| 13:49.14 | slobad23 | thanks 'rute'... you've moved me a step up from n00b |
| 13:49.40 | jelly | right, what justin said |
| 13:49.41 | frantik | mace, well, the info must be somewhere, cat /var/log/*|grep "X11 connection" |
| 13:49.42 | thechef | @reboot is to run once every startup |
| 13:49.44 | TRoXa | I know this might not the right channel to ask but i hope it is accepted anyway. I have a problem with my apache2 on my debian server. It accepts www.somename.com and runs the php scripts as it should. but do i type somename.com in the browser. then it dont run the php script but wants to download it instead with full source .. does anyone here know what the problem could be? i have no idea what the problem can be as i'm |
| 13:49.52 | frantik | if it doesn't return anything, configure syslog |
| 13:50.20 | frantik | TRoXa, ugrade your distro |
| 13:51.00 | frantik | TRoXa, then install php5-common & apache2 |
| 13:51.00 | jamon | TRoXa: check ServerAlias, restart your browser(s) and apache |
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| 13:51.02 | TRoXa | where do i find serveralias? in apache2.conf ? |
| 13:51.03 | stew | frantik: if php works with www.somename.com, i'd assume he already has apache2 and php5 installed |
| 13:51.03 | jamon | and then check in #apache ;) |
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| 13:51.29 | stew | TRoXa: is either www.somename.com or somename.com in a VirtualHost section? |
| 13:51.33 | frantik | stew, depends if the install broken up a few packages |
| 13:51.41 | frantik | or not |
| 13:51.42 | rysiek|pl | frantik: openswan won't do |
| 13:51.44 | stew | frantik: what does that mean? |
| 13:51.59 | frantik | sounds like he does have apache installed (maybe not 2) and php5 not |
| 13:52.00 | jamon | TRoXa: yes, and if www works, and you aren't familiar with serveralias, then i'm suspecting you need to setup a ServerAlias somename.com directive in the same vhost as www.somename.com |
| 13:52.00 | TRoXa | stew: I have no idea where to check that |
| 13:52.04 | thechef | I wish apt to schedule removal of the current kernel after a new kernel is installed. |
| 13:52.07 | frantik | or misconfigureated |
| 13:52.09 | rysiek|pl | frantik: see REquirements here: http://wiki.openswan.org/index.php/Openswan/Configure |
| 13:52.14 | jamon | TRoXa: in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 13:52.17 | TRoXa | probably misconfigured hehe |
| 13:52.20 | frantik | thechef, no need, you can already remove the running kernel |
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| 13:52.29 | rysiek|pl | frantik: needs openSwan on both ends, that is not possible here |
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| 13:52.34 | frantik | thechef, just reboot right after you do |
| 13:52.36 | stew | thechef: no, never remove the running kernel |
| 13:52.39 | frantik | it should do the trick |
| 13:52.42 | rysiek|pl | frantik: but thanks for your help anyway, digging further |
| 13:53.04 | frantik | rysiek|pl, huh well setting up a vpn/ipsec requires full control man |
| 13:53.18 | stew | thechef: you don't want to remove the running kernel. there should never be a reason to, and if your new kernel doesn't work, you could end up with an unbootable system |
| 13:53.27 | thechef | I remove the running kernel quite often, but only when I have another kernel installed that previously worked, but when I install a brand new kernel I'm not always save. |
| 13:53.40 | frantik | stew, there is alway single user mode in that case |
| 13:53.50 | stew | frantik: single user mode needs a running kernel |
| 13:53.54 | frantik | if it is not a default debian kernel, yes there may be a problem |
| 13:54.05 | frantik | but else, it should be ok |
| 13:54.12 | stew | "should" but not "always" |
| 13:54.13 | frantik | but i agree the method is dirty |
| 13:54.15 | ktwilight | hm, is it normal that dpkg -S pkgname doesn't list out files in /usr/bin? |
| 13:54.28 | thechef | But I think I can also just remove the running kernel, because in case it breaks i can still put in a live cd, chroot into the broken system and fix it. |
| 13:54.37 | stew | thechef: when you do things like upgrade initrd or udev what was once a previoulsy running kernel can become a non-working kernel |
| 13:54.44 | frantik | thechef, or just reboot and remove it manually |
| 13:54.55 | stew | thechef: why not wait until you are booted into another kernel to remove the currently running kernel? |
| 13:54.56 | rysiek|pl | frantik: no it doesn't. that's why we ue IPSec, and not some custom-or-proprietary-tunnel ;) |
| 13:55.00 | TRoXa | stew: There's a 000-default file in that directory and the first lines are [Line1] NameVirtualHost * [Line2] <VirtualHost *> [Line3] ServerName www.somename.com [Line4] ServerAlias somename.com and then bla bla bla.. |
| 13:55.06 | frantik | stew, initrd is upgraded when installing the new kernel |
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| 13:55.14 | rysiek|pl | *use |
| 13:55.18 | thechef | stew, because that requires more user interaction |
| 13:55.26 | frantik | stew, it should throw an error at the install of the kernel if initrd encounter a problem |
| 13:55.27 | stew | frantik: yes, which might have made a previously running kernel broken |
| 13:55.49 | fishsponge_ | hey people - does anyone know when dovecot 1.1 is going to be put into debian "stable"? currently, it's still on 1.0... |
| 13:55.57 | frantik | (like the actual mkinitrd of centos that is broken) |
| 13:55.57 | stew | frantik: ok, but it still might have generated an initrd that doesn't work, this happens all the time |
| 13:56.19 | frantik | stew, i agree but in my case it never happened |
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| 13:56.26 | frantik | unless i had an hardware failure |
| 13:56.37 | frantik | (fried memory) |
| 13:56.39 | stew | frantik: lucky for you. it doesn't mean you should recommend that other people remove a running kernel |
| 13:57.02 | jelly | fishsponge_: versions in stabel only change when the next stable Debian is released |
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| 13:57.22 | frantik | stew, well, it's my method, i recommand it, but you know the old saying, don't do what i say, does it your way :P |
| 13:57.35 | fishsponge_ | ah, ok... so dovecot 1.1 certainly won't ever be in Debian 5.x, but it *might* be in Debian 6.0 ? |
| 13:57.40 | jelly | judd: versions dovecot-common |
| 13:57.41 | judd | jelly: dovecot-common -- etch: 1.0.rc15-2etch4 etch-security: 1.0.rc15-2etch4 etch-backports: 1:1.0.15-2.3~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:1.0.15-2.3 lenny-backports: 1:1.1.13-2~bpo50+1 sid: 1:1.1.13-2 squeeze: 1:1.1.13-2 |
| 13:57.42 | frantik | i don't do it in case i do create a custom kernel and i always have a backup |
| 13:58.12 | frantik | stew, on a side not it should be noted that normally he have an "old" kernel also |
| 13:58.20 | frantik | side note* |
| 13:58.27 | jelly | fishsponge_: however it seems there's a backport of 1.1.13 in backports, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 13:58.30 | bolt-work | enouf: that is, if american cars could actually be persuaded to go around corners |
| 13:58.32 | stew | frantik: yes, an old kernel which might have been broken by a new initrd or a new udev or some such |
| 13:58.46 | natsukashi | I'm about to install Debian. I just need to know one thing. Does it have a graphical installer? |
| 13:58.51 | frantik | stew, the old kernel is generally the previously installed |
| 13:58.56 | frantik | or the stock install kernel |
| 13:59.04 | frantik | if he did boot on this one |
| 13:59.07 | frantik | he can boot on it again |
| 13:59.11 | fishsponge_ | jelly, how does the backports version differ from the sid (unstable?) version though? |
| 13:59.28 | frantik | (because before upgrade he had to boot on something anyway) |
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| 13:59.40 | jelly | fishsponge_: it's built for Debian stable, by a debian developer |
| 13:59.40 | stew | frantik: yes, the old kernel, the previously install kernel might no longer be working becuase of a new initrd |
| 13:59.57 | fishsponge_ | jelly, so possibly bugfixed, or just built? |
| 14:00.03 | jelly | fishsponge_: this means it doesn't require other packages from unstable |
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| 14:00.12 | frantik | stew, the initrd.img is also backed up when installing a new kernel |
| 14:00.20 | frantik | shouldn't be an issue there |
| 14:00.26 | fishsponge_ | ah, ok - is it classed as "stable" even though it's not in the official release then? |
| 14:00.26 | stew | frantik: where is it backed up to? |
| 14:00.33 | stew | frantik: i've never seen imitrd.img backed up |
| 14:00.45 | frantik | stew, /initrd.img.old |
| 14:00.53 | frantik | it is |
| 14:00.55 | frantik | always |
| 14:01.09 | frantik | on debian i should say |
| 14:01.14 | frantik | not on other distros |
| 14:01.15 | stew | frantik: no, that's not a backup, that's the inird.img for the vmlinux.old |
| 14:01.33 | frantik | the better would be to back it up on boot since grub can use /boot as / |
| 14:01.33 | fishsponge_ | jelly, is the version in backports classed as "stable" even though it's not in the official release then? |
| 14:01.46 | stew | i'm talking about the fact that the initramfs-tools postinst runs "update-initramfs -u" which replaces all the inirds |
| 14:01.50 | stew | initrds* |
| 14:01.57 | jelly | fishsponge_: it's made to work with Debian stable, if that's what you're asking |
| 14:02.02 | frantik | stew, and what else we're speaking avbout ? |
| 14:02.08 | fishsponge_ | jelly, ok - that makes sense |
| 14:02.13 | frantik | stew, if you boot on your old kernel, it use the old initrd |
| 14:02.31 | stew | frantik: no, it boots a new initrd, since the old initrd is replaced when you upgrade initramfs-tools |
| 14:02.44 | fishsponge_ | jelly, so it will install, but is not necessarily classed as a "stable" application, right? |
| 14:02.47 | jelly | fishsponge_: "stable" and "unstable" refers to the general state of the distribution, not the separate packages |
| 14:02.59 | frantik | grub and lilo configs specify the use of the old initrd, why else then ? :) |
| 14:03.18 | stew | frantik: the old initrd no longer exists! |
| 14:03.28 | fishsponge_ | true... but there must be a reason 1.1. wasn't included in lenny, right? i guess that's either time or reliability, right? |
| 14:03.29 | jelly | fishsponge_: if it works, it works; that's the promise you get with Debian stable, too |
| 14:03.36 | fishsponge_ | ok, cool |
| 14:03.37 | frantik | and we're speaking about replacing a kernel |
| 14:04.09 | jelly | fishsponge_: time; package versions freeze a number of months before the release and no newer ones go in |
| 14:04.10 | frantik | and i'm sorry but the initrd.img.old is still linked to the old /boot initrd of the previous kernel |
| 14:04.17 | stew | frantik: yes, and i'm talking about the fact that since the last time you booted a kernel, you may have upgraded initramfs-tools and therefore replaced the initrd which goes with the old kernel |
| 14:04.30 | stew | frantik: do you know what "update-initramfs -u" does? |
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| 14:04.40 | frantik | stew, wich isn't the case actually |
| 14:04.47 | frantik | we're speaking of upgrading the kernel |
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| 14:04.53 | stew | frantik: yes |
| 14:04.57 | stew | frantik: do you know what "update-initramfs -u" does? |
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| 14:05.10 | frantik | and i seriously doubt that even a dist upgrade replace kernel AND initramfs at the same time |
| 14:05.28 | stew | frantik: you are saying that a dist-upgrade can't upgrade initramfs-tools? |
| 14:05.32 | stew | frantik: why not? |
| 14:05.33 | frantik | no |
| 14:05.39 | frantik | reread what i said |
| 14:05.46 | stew | frantik: i have |
| 14:05.49 | stew | frantik: do you know what "update-initramfs -u" does? |
| 14:06.29 | frantik | -u, update an existing initram fs |
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| 14:06.50 | fishsponge_ | jelly, ok, thanks for that... what's the URL for the backports repo i'd need to add into /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 14:06.55 | stew | frantik: yes, and do you understand that running that command can make a kernel which was previously working no longer work? |
| 14:07.03 | frantik | but still, what does it have to do with the old initrd image wich is keeped in the old state |
| 14:07.03 | jelly | fishsponge_: read /msg dpkg bpo |
| 14:07.11 | frantik | in the case of a kernel upgrade |
| 14:07.19 | frantik | and i'm not speaking about a system upgrade |
| 14:07.27 | stew | frantik: the old initrd image would be replaced when "update-initramfs -u" is run |
| 14:07.54 | frantik | ok know what ? |
| 14:07.59 | frantik | i'm going to do a test install |
| 14:08.07 | frantik | md5sum the base initrd.img right after |
| 14:08.11 | frantik | do a full system upgrade |
| 14:08.16 | frantik | see if the md5sum changes |
| 14:08.30 | frantik | if it don't you owe me a beer, else i do, sounds convenient ? :P |
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| 14:08.53 | frantik | (got a vmware install, i can afford to do that :D) |
| 14:08.54 | jelly | frantik: an upgrade rebuilds it |
| 14:09.06 | fishsponge_ | thank, jelly |
| 14:09.08 | stew | frantik: sure, as long as initramfs-tools is one of the things upgraded |
| 14:09.09 | fishsponge_ | *thanks |
| 14:09.10 | frantik | yet it is still compatible with the old kernel |
| 14:09.21 | jelly | (ie. update-initramfs is called during the upgrade procedure) |
| 14:09.24 | frantik | and it was always like that |
| 14:09.39 | frantik | so in case of a failed update |
| 14:09.45 | frantik | you can still use the old kernel |
| 14:10.00 | frantik | or do you have a documented case of the contrary ? |
| 14:10.12 | stew | frantik: you can MAYBE use the old kernel, depending on whether or not changing the initrd broke the kernel |
| 14:10.37 | stew | frantik: it has happened in here many times |
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| 14:10.47 | frantik | i was ALWAYS able to boot it and i failed updates of kernel many times |
| 14:10.51 | jelly | lucky guy |
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| 14:11.22 | frantik | not lucky, the only cases when i couldn't was an hardware failure, some memory fried and i had to change it |
| 14:11.43 | frantik | do you have yet any documented case ? because that would be interesting for my own knowledge |
| 14:11.47 | stew | frantik: thats lucky for you. but in any case, you should not recommend that someone in here removes their running kernel, its not safe to do, and there is no reason to do it |
| 14:12.11 | frantik | stew, as long you have an healthy system, it is not a problem |
| 14:12.30 | stew | frantik: see "http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=initramfs-tools" for many documented cases |
| 14:12.36 | stew | frantik: that is false, see the above link |
| 14:12.58 | wooj | hmm does anyone know why mencoder seems to be absent from apt? |
| 14:13.10 | tarzeau | wooj: debian can't package it |
| 14:13.11 | wooj | is there perhaps some repo I need to enable for it that i havent? |
| 14:13.13 | wooj | ahh |
| 14:13.14 | tarzeau | wooj: you have to do yourself |
| 14:13.16 | stew | wooj: becuase it contains code which debian cannot legally redistribute in some pleaces |
| 14:13.45 | wooj | Is there a generally accepted repository for such things, perhaps, or do I need to build my own deb? |
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| 14:17.01 | frantik | stew, i'm reading the page but as far as i can see, amongst every bug reported, only two of them so far are directly related to a kernel upgrade |
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| 14:17.26 | stew | frantik: forget it, you just don't get it |
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| 14:17.54 | frantik | stew, what i do get is that while you are correct on the theorical point, you are wrong on the practical |
| 14:18.02 | stew | frantik: NO, i'm not |
| 14:18.06 | stew | frantik: as evidenced by that page |
| 14:18.08 | frantik | while i do agree that the method isn't proper, it isn't the badest |
| 14:18.12 | stew | frantik: check to see what "update-initramfs -u" does and read /var/lib/dpkg/info/initramfs-tools.postinst does |
| 14:18.28 | maelcum|uni | hi. i'm using fakeroot to trick iceccd (distributed compiler) into working from a non-root account. but fakeroot doesn't seem to simulate chroot. |
| 14:18.46 | maelcum|uni | is there some additional trick to make that work? or how hard is it to extend chroot? |
| 14:18.47 | natsukashi | So, does Lenny come with a graphical installer or not? :( |
| 14:18.49 | bolt-work | DOS isn't the "badest" either. You could be stuck with OS/2. Still, that's no reason to go with DOS |
| 14:18.56 | frantik | well, point me a documented case, most of what i can see there is either cases misdocumented, wrong configuration or reports that are up to 4 years old |
| 14:19.12 | maelcum|uni | erm... *extend fakeroot |
| 14:19.15 | WormFood | where do I get the chinese fonts for the stable branch of debian? |
| 14:19.23 | frantik | while the debate is interesting, you're right in your opnion, i don't think so and that's it, move on |
| 14:19.28 | WormFood | are they in some other repository? |
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| 14:19.45 | bolt-work | waits for frantik to mess up his system |
| 14:20.10 | roe | I'm going a find/replace in emacs and want to replace one word with two lines, how do I pass a CRLF into the replacement string |
| 14:20.23 | WormFood | roe, \n? |
| 14:20.29 | roe | will try |
| 14:20.35 | frantik | bolt-work, you can wait a longggg time :) the only time i had to reinstall a system was in 2006 and because of a major failure of proftpd that allowed a rootkit to be installed :P |
| 14:20.47 | bolt-work | kudos |
| 14:21.38 | frantik | (and i mention "a system" because i manage like 30 on a non-regular daily basis all on stable never testing or sid) |
| 14:21.41 | WormFood | I've never had to reinstall linux, ever....the only time I did it because to fix it was too much of a pain in the ass, is when I fucked up my glibc upgrade (from source code). |
| 14:22.01 | bolt-work | frantik: ever had a power failure happen while you're doing that trick of yours? |
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| 14:22.12 | WormFood | frantik, if you want your stuff to be stable, you will run the stable branch |
| 14:22.13 | frantik | bolt-work, nope |
| 14:22.16 | roe | WormFood, nope |
| 14:22.28 | bolt-work | frantik: then that's what i'll wait for |
| 14:22.36 | WormFood | roe, how about \r |
| 14:22.42 | frantik | bolt-work, maybe because i don't run servers if i'm not sure that i had a supplier reliable for powersource :) |
| 14:22.53 | WormFood | roe, I have no clue, I'm just suggesting normal Linux stuff |
| 14:23.09 | WormFood | roe, I don't use emacs, I use vim |
| 14:23.13 | frantik | bolt-work, anyway you can wait, there is a thing called ondulators that help :P |
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| 14:23.56 | frantik | WormFood, how the hell did you had the idea to install glibc from source ? :P |
| 14:24.05 | frantik | (wasn't debian, right ? :P) |
| 14:24.07 | WormFood | clearly vim is better than emacs, perhaps you should upgrade roe? ;P |
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| 14:24.16 | WormFood | runs and hides from roe |
| 14:24.23 | roe | dodges WormFood 's flamebait |
| 14:24.25 | WormFood | frantik, it was a LFS system |
| 14:24.35 | frantik | WormFood, haha |
| 14:24.45 | frantik | i guessed it was gentoo, but well.. |
| 14:24.48 | frantik | hides too :P |
| 14:24.51 | WormFood | no, not gentoo |
| 14:25.15 | frantik | WormFood, was it after the system was finished or in progress ? |
| 14:25.49 | WormFood | it wasn't 100% LFS, but damn close by the time I got finished...I started with redhat 6 I think, and installed a new C computer, and compiled most of the system apps from source code...including X11 and gnome |
| 14:26.35 | WormFood | I started with a bare bones RH system, then replaced most of the stuff in it...RPM never worked...I installed almost everything from source |
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| 14:27.05 | justin | WormFood: heh, that is what I was running in 1999 |
| 14:27.09 | WormFood | while gentoo is from source, it is a little different from finding all the different packages, downloading the tarballs, configuring them, compiling them, installing them...I learned a LOT doing that |
| 14:27.11 | frantik | WormFood, well, rh6 had alot of problems with glibc ... (recall a mysql server unable to build because of that under one) |
| 14:27.28 | justin | then I wiped it and insalled potato |
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| 14:27.39 | frantik | started with slackware there.. |
| 14:27.43 | WormFood | I learned that gentoo is junk, after spending hours and hours to compile X11, then find it didn't work |
| 14:27.48 | simNIX | i've found lfs in past also great learning |
| 14:27.48 | mustu | i can't figure how to best install Sun-JRE on my debian 5 .. |
| 14:28.02 | justin | mustu: install sun-java5-jre |
| 14:28.08 | justin | or 6 |
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| 14:28.17 | themill | mustu: /msg dpkg install java |
| 14:28.18 | WormFood | justin, I built system in '99, and it ran for about 4 or 5 years before I fucked it to a point I decided to reinstall |
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| 14:29.13 | mib_5ro8w5 | Hi - I am running Lenny - How do I get rid of the escape characters that show up in Debian Bash history? |
| 14:29.16 | WormFood | and seriously, I could have fixed my glibc problem, I decided not too, because it was too much hassle, and that is when I started running debian |
| 14:29.27 | WormFood | mib_5ro8w5, sed? |
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| 14:29.35 | mustu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:29.47 | frantik | simNIX, LFS is nice to understand how the system work |
| 14:30.11 | mib_5ro8w5 | No I don't want to see them at all - why is Bash writing this info in? I never saw this in Mandriva. |
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| 14:30.20 | frantik | mib_5ro8w5, echo $LANG |
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| 14:30.28 | frantik | and paste the result |
| 14:30.37 | mib_5ro8w5 | en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 14:30.46 | frantik | mib_5ro8w5, you're connecting remotely ? |
| 14:30.58 | frantik | (using putty ?) |
| 14:31.10 | mib_5ro8w5 | No local on the box. I also see this on etch/lenny systems at work. |
| 14:31.22 | justin | mib_5ro8w5: what escape characters? |
| 14:31.22 | frantik | i think you've got a locale issue |
| 14:31.25 | themill | mustu: "apt-get install blah" *never* returns nothing. Pastebin the entire output. |
| 14:31.27 | frantik | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:31.35 | simNIX | frantik, very tru - it made more apreciatian here for the work that goes into a stable distribution |
| 14:31.44 | mib_5ro8w5 | Example: cd "`printf "%b" '\0057etc\0057cups'`" |
| 14:31.55 | simNIX | and you learn the bits that can make it up |
| 14:31.55 | mustu | themill: i means it says no package named sun-java-6-jre |
| 14:32.03 | frantik | mib_5ro8w5, o_0 that's new.. |
| 14:32.14 | frantik | console-data is maybe fucked up |
| 14:32.18 | rysiek|pl | frantik: solved the bugger, just in case you get to meet another dumbass like me: I was using the default (i.e. wrong in this setup) network interface |
| 14:32.19 | WormFood | does anyone have a fuckin' clue where to get the god damn chinese fonts for lenny? It is in some other repository? |
| 14:32.41 | frantik | rysiek|pl, haha, haven't thinked about that |
| 14:32.42 | rysiek|pl | frantik: so the packages were not routed through IPsec subsystem, but through default gateway. |
| 14:32.54 | frantik | rysiek|pl, well, that was one of my first guess if you remember |
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| 14:33.03 | frantik | (that something was filtering inbetween) |
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| 14:33.19 | rysiek|pl | frantik: yeah, but I thought "filtering == firewall" |
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| 14:33.31 | jelly | WormFood: have you tried searching using something "apt-cache search ttf chinese"? |
| 14:33.42 | frantik | rysiek|pl, well, eating means you can eat different types of food :P |
| 14:33.47 | mustu | i found fakeroot but java-package isn't in the repo. how to install java-package? |
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| 14:33.51 | WormFood | yes jelly |
| 14:33.57 | jelly | WormFood: and? |
| 14:34.00 | WormFood | nothing |
| 14:34.07 | frantik | rysiek|pl, as filtering mean .. filtering data trough many means :P |
| 14:34.11 | WormFood | of course I found nothing, why else would I be asking? |
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| 14:34.19 | rysiek|pl | frantik: "WormFood" and "jelly", in the context of what you have said about food... disturbing |
| 14:34.28 | frantik | WormFood, got contrib & non-fre ? |
| 14:34.39 | frantik | cat /etc/apt/sources.list|grep contrib |
| 14:34.41 | WormFood | not sure frantik, probably stock |
| 14:34.42 | stew | WormFood: you should have found many, can you paste the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:34.48 | jelly | judd: info ttf-arphic-uming |
| 14:34.49 | judd | jelly: ttf-arphic-uming (x11): is optional; Version: 0.2.20080216.1-1; Size: 9451.2k; Installed: 21056k -- "AR PL UMing" Chinese Unicode TrueType font collection Mingti style |
| 14:35.03 | rysiek|pl | frantik: anyway, nat is irrelevant here, as ESP and 4500/udp, 500/udp is forwarded to the proper hosts behind it; get's the job done |
| 14:35.09 | jelly | WormFood: I see a number of ttf-arphic-* packages. |
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| 14:35.11 | rysiek|pl | ends the spamming, gets back to work |
| 14:35.12 | WormFood | hold on, the machine is turned off right now...I'll turn it on and BRB |
| 14:35.14 | stew | i doubt any of the chinese fonts are in contrib |
| 14:35.20 | frantik | WormFood, stock doesn't contain contrib and non-free in the sources.list because of legal issues |
| 14:35.30 | WormFood | ok, I take your word for it...I'll check again |
| 14:35.30 | stew | frantik: that doens't matter |
| 14:35.39 | mustu | how do i install java-package ? couldn't found in repo |
| 14:35.41 | frantik | WormFood, try : aptitude search ttf|grep chinese |
| 14:35.46 | WormFood | chinese fonts would be part of the base package |
| 14:35.49 | frantik | if you don't find anything .. |
| 14:35.57 | jelly | WormFood: please pastebin the output of "apt-cache search ttf chinese" and "apt-cache policy" |
| 14:36.01 | WormFood | hold on, I gotta turn on the machine (and hook it up) |
| 14:36.16 | mace | frantik: figured out the symptoms; restarting cron on the server stopped the warnings (even though the scripts cron was running did not cause any X activity) |
| 14:36.21 | frantik | rysiek|pl, well, in that case you should have routed the packets properly |
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| 14:36.31 | mace | frantik: i'm guessing it was some kind of hangover from a previous upgrade where cron was restarted |
| 14:36.38 | mib_5ro8w5 | frantik: I looked at reconfig the locales - only set to en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 14:36.45 | jelly | WormFood: but you already remember youran that exact command and there was no output! </sarcasm> |
| 14:36.50 | frantik | rysiek|pl, (transit between interfaces sometimes needs to have their route configured) |
| 14:37.05 | frantik | mib rebuild it |
| 14:37.35 | frantik | then check /etc/environment to see if you use the proper locale |
| 14:37.41 | frantik | then run bash to test |
| 14:37.47 | frantik | (or logout/login) |
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| 14:39.00 | frantik | debian:/usr/bin# aptitude search ttf|grep chinese |
| 14:39.00 | frantik | p ttf2pt1-chinese - Plans d'encodage de polices chinoises pour |
| 14:39.00 | frantik | debian:/usr/bin# |
| 14:39.35 | frantik | only result there with all lists |
| 14:39.56 | mib_5ro8w5 | frantik: my /etc/environment is empty - I'll research that - thanks. |
| 14:39.59 | frantik | searching chinese return a bigger list |
| 14:40.19 | frantik | WormFood, you're searching for x fonts ? |
| 14:40.32 | frantik | xfonts-intl-chinese and xfonts-intl-chinese-big |
| 14:40.56 | stew | mib_5ro8w5: forget /etc/environment, it should be empty |
| 14:41.04 | WormFood | something is seriously fucked here |
| 14:41.17 | frantik | WormFood, show me your sources.list in private.. |
| 14:41.20 | stew | mib_5ro8w5: but note that you have to logout and log back in for a locale change, just running bash isnt' enough |
| 14:41.24 | jelly | frantik: bitmap fonts are only useful for some apps |
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| 14:41.37 | WormFood | I do an apt-cache search ssh, and it returns 7 packages |
| 14:41.39 | stew | WormFood: i'd recommend getting the ttl fonts not the bitmap fonts, yes |
| 14:41.41 | frantik | stew, running bash reload the current shell and variables |
| 14:41.43 | RichiH | which serial console client sucks least, these days? |
| 14:41.53 | mib_5ro8w5 | stew: I did not change the locale, just verified it. |
| 14:41.54 | WormFood | I was gonna install sshd real fast, so I can login from my desktop, but i can't find it |
| 14:41.56 | frantik | (as a new shell session) |
| 14:41.58 | stew | frantik: it wouldn't effect a locale change |
| 14:41.59 | petemc | RichiH: screen |
| 14:42.11 | jelly | screen does serial? |
| 14:42.12 | WormFood | I installed from CD |
| 14:42.15 | petemc | sure does |
| 14:42.16 | stew | frantik: or an /etc/environment change |
| 14:42.20 | RichiH | petemc: screen can connect to a seral console?! |
| 14:42.21 | petemc | screen /dev/ttyS0 |
| 14:42.28 | RichiH | how? |
| 14:42.29 | RichiH | k |
| 14:42.30 | jelly | only ever used minicom |
| 14:42.33 | petemc | just like that.. |
| 14:42.39 | frantik | stew, test it, then come back, this one i'm fucking sure about that |
| 14:42.46 | stew | frantik: i have, it doesn't |
| 14:42.52 | RichiH | i hate minicom |
| 14:43.06 | WormFood | but i've apt-get updated the system, and it is up to date |
| 14:43.07 | RichiH | petemc: do you know by heart how i can set speed, etc? |
| 14:43.14 | frantik | had to fight a colleague one year because he was setting up utf8 everywhere for a french company |
| 14:43.15 | petemc | you can pass them as params# |
| 14:43.20 | stew | frantik: and /etc/environment is the wrong place anyway |
| 14:43.22 | frantik | and changed fonts trough env |
| 14:43.30 | frantik | (you need to reconfigure locales ALSO) |
| 14:43.32 | mustu | can any one tell me why i can't install java-package ? it's not in the repo |
| 14:43.37 | frantik | (to build the additionnal locales) |
| 14:43.44 | frantik | WormFood, change repository |
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| 14:44.00 | frantik | WormFood, the mirror you are using is maybe out of date/unsynced |
| 14:44.01 | jelly | WormFood: pastebin the output of the commands asked above, and also your sources.list |
| 14:44.12 | stew | frantik: by default, the locale is set by pam "auth required pam_env.so readenv=1 envfile=/etc/default/locale" so you need to log back in |
| 14:44.19 | WormFood | the mirror I use has always been great |
| 14:44.26 | WormFood | also I've been waiting weeks |
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| 14:44.43 | stew | frantik: perhaps you've hacked up your startup scripts to make it behave differently. i'd not assume that he has also |
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| 14:45.05 | frantik | stew, hmm, right on this one |
| 14:45.19 | frantik | my method is older |
| 14:45.20 | RichiH | hmm, screen seems to be too stupid(?) to do 115200 baud |
| 14:45.31 | alexbligh | I have corrupted my /etc/init.d/postfix by copying over a pre-lenny version. How do I get it back? aptitude reinstall postfix does not replace it. mv'ing it elsewhere first causes aptitude to fail. |
| 14:45.37 | frantik | WormFood, as i said, i found the chinese packages on my system and you don't |
| 14:45.39 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 14:45.39 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 14:45.41 | frantik | WormFood, hence.. |
| 14:45.45 | petemc | RichiH: nope, screen /dev/ttyS0 115200 should work |
| 14:45.57 | RichiH | yah, it does |
| 14:46.00 | RichiH | just tried |
| 14:46.05 | RichiH | petemc: this is awesome! |
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| 14:46.06 | frantik | WormFood, i use ftp2.fr.debian.org |
| 14:46.08 | RichiH | i lub you! |
| 14:46.11 | petemc | :) |
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| 14:46.27 | WormFood | frantik, I know...you have it, I don't...it is in lenny, something is wrong with my system |
| 14:46.29 | stew | frantik: and http://paste.debian.net/35833/ |
| 14:46.53 | alexbligh | Will confmiss overwrite my other configuration files? I don't want to do that. Ideally I just want to restore the file. |
| 14:46.57 | frantik | alexbligh, you can extract the file from default package.. using alien to convert the deb into a tgz |
| 14:47.19 | alexbligh | That sounds like the best bet, thanks |
| 14:47.25 | stew | alexbligh: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 14:47.32 | stew | alexbligh: you can tell dpkg to reinstall missing conffiles |
| 14:47.36 | frantik | stew, the variable is $LANG not asdf o_0 |
| 14:47.45 | frantik | for the locale |
| 14:48.02 | stew | frantik: i'm just demonstrating that running "bash" is not enough to effect a change to /etc/environment |
| 14:48.15 | stew | frantik: which is where you were mistakenly saying a locale change would be |
| 14:48.37 | frantik | stew, as i said, you're right on this one, my method sounds to be older regarding a personnal search |
| 14:48.46 | frantik | (for /etc/env) |
| 14:49.00 | frantik | one way it could work altough would be to setup it trough bashrc |
| 14:49.10 | frantik | that way reloading bash will have an effect |
| 14:49.52 | frantik | WormFood, http://paste.debian.net/35834/ |
| 14:50.24 | WormFood | frantik, can you copy/paste your sources.list to me in a /msg, pls? |
| 14:50.35 | frantik | WormFood, check the url |
| 14:50.36 | stew | WormFood: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:50.38 | WormFood | you sent me that url about a second before I hit enter |
| 14:50.47 | WormFood | I see my problem already |
| 14:50.52 | Anne | HELP!! My debian machine appears to be offline suddenly. I accesed it this morning, but now I cannot (re)connect to it. I restarted the machine, but still nothing. What sould I try next. |
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| 14:51.05 | WormFood | I only have "main", and not "contrib" and/or "non-free" |
| 14:51.15 | stew | WormFood: you don't need contrib nor non-free for these fonts |
| 14:51.19 | frantik | Anne, does it kernel panic ? |
| 14:51.20 | WormFood | why the hell weren't the other ones installed in the sources.list? |
| 14:51.27 | stew | WormFood: becuase they aren't debian |
| 14:51.35 | WormFood | stew, then where the fuck are they? |
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| 14:51.46 | WormFood | what do I need to do to make this work? |
| 14:51.47 | stew | WormFood: right next to main |
| 14:51.51 | stew | WormFood: you just need main |
| 14:51.55 | Anne | frantik: I do not know, It's a NSLU2 machine, so I only can acces it by SSH |
| 14:52.03 | WormFood | they are not on my system with main |
| 14:52.07 | frantik | Anne, ovh hosted ? |
| 14:52.15 | Anne | frantik: ?? |
| 14:52.26 | stew | WormFood: well if you want me to help, I've told you what i need |
| 14:52.31 | frantik | Anne, nevermind tought you were french.. |
| 14:52.38 | frantik | Anne, can you access a serial con ? |
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| 14:52.45 | frantik | (rserial) |
| 14:52.48 | WormFood | stew, it is a pain in the ass to type in everything...I can't copy/paste it |
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| 14:52.58 | frantik | (remote) |
| 14:53.01 | stew | WormFood: ok |
| 14:53.03 | WormFood | I'd like to install sshd on it, so I can ssh into it, but I can't do that |
| 14:53.09 | frantik | WormFood, shift+ins :P |
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| 14:53.34 | stew | WormFood: why can't you? |
| 14:53.36 | frantik | oops |
| 14:53.43 | frantik | sorry didn't see you couldn't |
| 14:53.47 | Exule | WormFood, are two words so painful to type in? |
| 14:53.53 | WormFood | I can't login to the other system |
| 14:54.02 | frantik | stew, my bet is that is an hosted one |
| 14:54.03 | WormFood | I can't even find the command stew told me to run |
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| 14:54.38 | Exule | WormFood, apt-cache? |
| 14:54.38 | Anne | hassn't got serial, just eth |
| 14:54.53 | stew | WormFood: apt-cache policy |
| 14:55.10 | frantik | Anne, huho, well contact your support, you can't do anything if you can't even access a serial console |
| 14:55.14 | stew | WormFood: why can't you install openssh-server? |
| 14:55.29 | Anne | frantik: So I have to reinstall it |
| 14:55.51 | WormFood | stew, because when I apt-cache search for it, it is not there |
| 14:55.51 | frantik | Anne, maybe not, ask your support to inspect the boot process and to repair if needed |
| 14:56.01 | WormFood | and of course, when I try to install it, it is not there |
| 14:56.07 | frantik | Anne, they do not need the root pass, maybe the lvm crypt if you used one |
| 14:56.07 | Anne | frantik: This is my support... ;) |
| 14:56.11 | stew | WormFood: openssh-server is the package name |
| 14:56.11 | keith4 | my iceweasel seems to not have spellcheck ability. i'm guessing i'm missing [ai]spell-something? |
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| 14:56.17 | frantik | Anne, ???????? |
| 14:56.17 | WormFood | when I do an "apt-cache search ssh", I get 7 packages returned |
| 14:56.26 | WormFood | I know stew...I tried that...it does not work |
| 14:56.36 | WormFood | apt-get install openssh-server does not work |
| 14:56.40 | stew | WormFood: do you perhaps only have a security mirror and not a regular mirror? |
| 14:56.45 | frantik | WormFood, change your god damn repository |
| 14:56.51 | Anne | It's a NSLU2 by Linksys, but I installed debian on it... so no support other then I get by IRC |
| 14:56.57 | frantik | WormFood, it sounds the repository is fucked up |
| 14:57.10 | frantik | Anne, AHH |
| 14:57.23 | WormFood | I have more than the security repository |
| 14:57.33 | WormFood | but, that may be a problem...let me try to change it |
| 14:57.39 | frantik | Anne, restore base firmware ? |
| 14:57.43 | keith4 | all you ever need is "apt-get install ssh" |
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| 14:57.56 | keith4 | if that doesn't work, you have the wrong repos, or the repos you're using are borked |
| 14:58.05 | frantik | Anne, sorry but it will be hard to tell you if you haven't got an access to what's happening |
| 14:58.07 | WormFood | this is stock from when I installed it, except for me changing to a mirror (and I changed back for these tests right now) |
| 14:58.30 | frantik | WormFood, stock use dvd/cdroms you know ? :P |
| 14:58.35 | Anne | frantik: To (re)install I have to install a 'installer'firmware witch loads the debian installer, Is there a way to restore my installation in stead of completely reinstalling the whole system? |
| 14:59.02 | frantik | Anne, i'm affraid that the answer is probably no |
| 14:59.11 | Anne | damn |
| 14:59.11 | WormFood | oh yeah...I took out the DVD line |
| 14:59.13 | frantik | Anne, if you cannot debug what is happening to correct it |
| 14:59.21 | frantik | Anne, you're in trouble |
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| 14:59.35 | Anne | hehe... just another 4 hours of installing... :( |
| 14:59.40 | frantik | (this is also WHY you should never use proprietary hardware) |
| 15:00.04 | WormFood | what is the command to find mirrors? |
| 15:00.16 | WormFood | or at least, find the fastest mirror for you |
| 15:00.21 | frantik | -wich is oxymoronic since every hardware is proprietary but you get the idea- |
| 15:00.26 | stew | WormFood: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 15:00.38 | WormFood | thx stew |
| 15:00.52 | unixluser | any of you using aptitude? is it possible to get emacs-bindings (instead of vim-bindings) for menu navigation? |
| 15:01.10 | frantik | Anne, if you can access any kin of vga/serial to see what's going on on boot, we can help, but else nope. |
| 15:01.11 | unixluser | stew: do you happen to post reviews of firefox extensions? |
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| 15:02.01 | stew | unixluser: no, why? |
| 15:02.04 | frantik | unixluser, apt-get remove --purge vim-bindings ? :P |
| 15:02.10 | frantik | (j/k don't know) |
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| 15:03.22 | unixluser | stew: just curious. (S)he doesn't have any contact details listed |
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| 15:03.39 | frantik | she ? |
| 15:03.42 | frantik | he ? |
| 15:03.48 | frantik | aptitude is a it lol |
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| 15:04.12 | frantik | well cya guys, off for some coding |
| 15:04.18 | unixluser | frantik: i had two independent queries |
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| 15:05.36 | WormFood | nice! I found a mirror server literally miles away from me (last time I looked at mirrors, it wasn't there, or was super slow) |
| 15:05.40 | unixluser | very offtopic, but would any of you happen to know how to generate a single char of the double-char'd û ? |
| 15:05.40 | themill | mustu: /msg dpkg install java ; get the right package name for the jre and enable non-free repos if you have not already. |
| 15:05.43 | unixluser | ie, one single arrow |
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| 15:06.45 | WormFood | ok guys, I got it working now, thanks again for your help stew, jelly (and frantik, who already left) |
| 15:07.52 | ajavid | good morning |
| 15:08.59 | WormFood | good evening ajavid (it is 11pm here) :P |
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| 15:09.31 | khaije1 | j0 how is kde 4.2 running in unstable? |
| 15:09.54 | ajavid | khaije1, not good |
| 15:10.10 | ajavid | khaije1, build from source, will be more stable, though a lot of upstream bugs exist |
| 15:10.35 | hjb | hi. is there some file that gets executed before and after suspend? |
| 15:11.04 | ajavid | its just not ready for use as a stable desktop, plasma constantly keeps screweing up, losing colors, fonts, it crashes, desktop effects make some apps crash eetc. etc. |
| 15:11.04 | khaije1 | ajavid: :( this is one of the only things ubuntu has on debian atm |
| 15:11.11 | ajavid | no it doesn't |
| 15:11.29 | ajavid | I've used 9.04 for a while and that kde4.2 is at least twice as much more unstable than debian/unstable |
| 15:11.35 | slobad23 | /etc/hobernate/hibernate.conf |
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| 15:12.09 | slobad23 | hjb, http://www.digipedia.pl/man/hibernate.conf.5.html |
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| 15:12.29 | khaije1 | ajavid: what do you mean? is it more stable in sid than jaunty? |
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| 15:12.42 | ajavid | damn straight. |
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| 15:13.15 | khaije1 | ajavid: so not just from source, but from sid (just making sure i understand you right) |
| 15:13.17 | ajavid | khaije1, visit the debian BTS and look for bugs on kde packages, core/base etc, some libs |
| 15:13.33 | ajavid | then check out launchpad and see how many more bugs are introduced becasue of ubuntu patches to unstable packages |
| 15:13.49 | neosmatrix_ | hi, does someone know when alsa 1.1.20 will be available in debian unstable? |
| 15:14.11 | ajavid | judd versions alsa-base |
| 15:14.12 | judd | ajavid: alsa-base -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1 etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1 lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 sid: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 experimental: 1.0.18.dfsg+1.0.18a-1 sid: 1.0.19.dfsg-3 squeeze: 1.0.19.dfsg-3 |
| 15:14.15 | khaije1 | if thats the case i'm surprised to hear you say that kde4.2 in unstable isn't good heheh |
| 15:14.24 | neosmatrix_ | sorry 1.0.20 |
| 15:14.27 | ajavid | hm, thought experimental might have it |
| 15:14.35 | ajavid | but its not far, only two revisions behind |
| 15:14.42 | khaije1 | maybe you have high standards |
| 15:14.49 | stew | neosmatrix_: is ther ea wishlist bug filed against alsa-source? |
| 15:14.59 | ajavid | khaije1, its not unstable, its kde.4.2 thats the problem |
| 15:14.59 | stew | "is there a.." |
| 15:15.10 | khaije1 | ajavid: what do u use on yr desktop btw? ya i gotcha |
| 15:15.27 | ajavid | xfce4, untul recently though I was running kde4.2.2 (way too unstable for me) |
| 15:15.42 | ajavid | I haven't used xfce4 in a few years, they have come far in the past 6 versions I missed |
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| 15:16.08 | jelly | ajavid: they're still at 4.x! |
| 15:16.16 | ajavid | yup |
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| 15:16.21 | Exule | 4.6.x, I think he means |
| 15:16.25 | ajavid | 4.6 to be exact, and I haven't used since 4.0 was in beta |
| 15:16.32 | neosmatrix_ | no I didn't filled a wishlist bug |
| 15:16.33 | khaije1 | same here, i was pretty impressed but i would occasional have one of my desktop panels get blanked out |
| 15:16.39 | khaije1 | did u ever see that? |
| 15:16.56 | ajavid | khaije1, just make a shortcut on your desktop ' kquitapp plasma && plasma' |
| 15:17.05 | ajavid | khaije1, but thats not just it, there are other problems |
| 15:17.15 | hjb | slobad23: hard stuff, but thanks |
| 15:17.17 | ajavid | but hey, I'm not here to convince you to not use it, just inform you |
| 15:17.17 | khaije1 | the applets and customization would be wiped (i'm talking about xfce4.6 |
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| 15:17.27 | lbt | In a debian blah.lintian file in debian/ can I comment out entries using # like in a blah.install file? |
| 15:17.33 | Exule | umh, plasma is kde stuff |
| 15:17.39 | jelly | khaije1: yup, when a applet crashes, config is not saved and reused |
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| 15:17.42 | hjb | slobad23: strage thing is that it doesn't mention what could be done on a per-user base |
| 15:17.49 | ajavid | Exule, yes it is |
| 15:17.51 | khaije1 | nono, ajavid i appreciate it |
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| 15:18.07 | Exule | ah, nvm |
| 15:18.11 | khaije1 | jelly: how do i fix this? |
| 15:18.20 | ajavid | khaije1, when it gets blanked out, do what I said, restart p lasma |
| 15:18.42 | khaije1 | ajavid: this is in xfce4 that my panels would blank out |
| 15:18.43 | slobad23 | hjb, fedora listed this as a solution to suspend returning a darker than normal screen and set it up to auto switch to tty1 and back to tty7 to work around this |
| 15:18.49 | jelly | khaije1: you can't, but the old configuration is present under ~/.config/xfce4/panel/ |
| 15:18.56 | slobad23 | hjb, i dont know if they used that file or another method - worth googling though |
| 15:18.57 | ajavid | khaije1, save session yourself often, use the new dcop and browse for ksmserver ksmserver saveCurrentSession etc. |
| 15:19.08 | hjb | slobad23: yeah, ok |
| 15:19.19 | ajavid | khaije1, oh, well that happened to me on kde |
| 15:19.24 | ajavid | khaije1, in xfce my panels are fine |
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| 15:19.48 | jelly | ajavid: xfce people basically assume software is perfect and never crashed |
| 15:19.49 | ajavid | but this is what I like about kde that xfce4 doesn't offer |
| 15:20.04 | ajavid | customizable desktop click menus |
| 15:20.24 | khaije1 | ajavid: ya especially in 4.1 it was rampant with plasma crashes |
| 15:20.38 | ajavid | I had to go into the xfdesktop4 soruce and into the src/main/xfdesktop4/main.c and around line 175 you'll see the menu popup conditions |
| 15:20.57 | ajavid | I had to go switch them to allow me to have mny right/middle/left click menus as I wanted |
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| 15:21.08 | ajavid | I back then considered doing a patch to allow selection of that in a config box |
| 15:21.13 | ajavid | I had it half done and then I switched to kde |
| 15:21.18 | khaije1 | jelly: just so i understand, a crashed applet corrupted the whole panel, and thats why it wont load? |
| 15:21.18 | ajavid | I think I might look into that now |
| 15:21.21 | jelly | khaije1: what you can do, is add the applet back, not configure it again but move the old rc file to the new name, and forcibly kill X (say, ctrl-alt-backspace) to restart |
| 15:21.34 | jelly | khaije1: oh, you're missing the whole panel? |
| 15:21.49 | jelly | khaije1: I'm talking about a single applet missing |
| 15:21.57 | ajavid | jelly, you can't restart Xorg that way anymore can you? |
| 15:22.02 | ajavid | alt+ctrl+backspace |
| 15:22.04 | jelly | ajavid: sure I can. |
| 15:22.10 | ajavid | well I can't since 7.4 |
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| 15:22.22 | ajavid | either something changed or my keys stopped working in that combination in X |
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| 15:22.36 | khaije1 | jelly: well it's there but it's totally blanked out, and i thnk that at least some of the prior applets are obscure because ill get occasional popups on desktop events |
| 15:22.36 | \amethyst | It was disabled by default |
| 15:22.43 | ajavid | I thought as much |
| 15:22.51 | jelly | ajavid: keywords being _by default_ |
| 15:23.09 | ajavid | yes, and if you never change it, default is what default is... |
| 15:23.11 | ajavid | I don't get yoru point |
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| 15:23.27 | jelly | you asked "<ajavid> jelly, you can't restart Xorg that way anymore can you?" |
| 15:23.40 | ajavid | well you can always configure stuff, I meant by default |
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| 15:23.46 | ajavid | sorry, I should have implied or mentioned that |
| 15:24.01 | jelly | that's why we have config files. |
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| 15:24.58 | jelly | khaije1:what happens if you kill the xfce4-panel process and start it again? |
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| 15:25.38 | khaije1 | jelly, i haven't tried that in a session, but re-login's and restarts dont affect it |
| 15:25.58 | khaije1 | i noticed the same prob on my lenny desktop and my sid lappy |
| 15:25.59 | jelly | ok, that's almost the same thing |
| 15:26.57 | jelly | khaije1: do you use any unusual (non xfce) applets? |
| 15:27.19 | khaije1 | im guessing one of the configs, probably for a panel, but maybe an applet got corrupted and is pushing off the visible space of the screen |
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| 15:28.17 | oliva | hi there ... is it possible to see which app is currently joining a multicast? |
| 15:28.29 | jelly | khaije1: you might get more info on #xfce, maybe |
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| 15:28.37 | khaije1 | jelly, maybe.... |
| 15:28.45 | khaije1 | ok, thx |
| 15:28.46 | jelly | wonders why Eulex is all messed up |
| 15:29.12 | unixluser | is there a way i can generate a list of all installed (explicit) packages, or packages that weren't automatically-installed as dependencies? |
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| 15:29.46 | stew | unixluser: aptitude search '!~M' |
| 15:29.51 | unixluser | without versions? Also, there'd need to be some sort of ordering where i can just apt-get install $(cat list) without worrying about missing packages |
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| 15:29.56 | khaije1 | is there a way to netinst debian from inside ubuntu? ive had enough of this experiment on my lappy |
| 15:30.07 | stew | unixluser: aptitude search -F%p '!~M' |
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| 15:30.11 | jelly | stew: doesn't it also need a ~i ? |
| 15:30.14 | stew | yes |
| 15:30.15 | jamon | khaije1: debootrap |
| 15:30.25 | stew | unixluser: aptitude search -F%p '~i!~M' |
| 15:30.26 | jamon | debootstrap |
| 15:30.30 | khaije1 | lol |
| 15:30.42 | khaije1 | i couldnt tell it you were pun-ing |
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| 15:32.01 | ajavid | xfce_desktop_button_press_event(GtkWidget *w, <-- thats the function, now in xfce-desktop.c instead of main.c |
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| 15:32.24 | ajavid | xfce_desktop_popup_menu(GtkWidget *w) and that controls the popup menu |
| 15:32.38 | ajavid | man,, I think I'll finish writing that patch, off to xfce4 i go yippeee |
| 15:33.12 | ajavid | if anyone else is intersted in hacking that feature in there, join me in #xfce4 |
| 15:33.39 | Exule | ajavid, #xfce |
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| 15:34.10 | DrDam_ | Bonjour à tous |
| 15:34.11 | ajavid | deb-src is xfdesktop4, src/xfce-desktop.c line # 848 |
| 15:34.17 | ajavid | oh thanks, I just found out i joined a empty channel! |
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| 15:34.37 | jetpda | waves@nyle |
| 15:34.57 | ajavid | then the dialog that contains the config, have to put a new couple of functions there that control these functions |
| 15:35.05 | ajavid | and draw a little interface in gazpacho |
| 15:35.11 | ajavid | for that dialog |
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| 15:35.19 | ajavid | hey jet! |
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| 15:35.25 | Exule | ajavid, feature patches do preferably go through upstream, btw |
| 15:35.36 | jetpda | pda. no type. |
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| 15:36.08 | ajavid | yeh, I'll have to hound them about it, but I'm going to at least have a patch ready and tested so that I can offer them something, it might go through quickly that way |
| 15:36.34 | unixluser | stew: thanks |
| 15:36.58 | ajavid | Exule, are you Eulex? |
| 15:37.16 | ajavid | !seen Eulex |
| 15:37.17 | dpkg | eulex <i=alex@c-83-233-151-186.cust.bredband2.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 23h 55m 58s ago, saying: 'dvtm?'. |
| 15:37.21 | Exule | ajavid, correct. |
| 15:37.22 | ajavid | oh yeh, its you |
| 15:37.23 | WaX-Dan | Eulex (*!*i=alex@c-83-233-151-186.cust.bredband2.com) changed his nick for Exule , 22hrs 35mins 28secs ago. |
| 15:37.33 | ajavid | hi |
| 15:37.46 | simonrvn | hellos Exule |
| 15:37.51 | simonrvn | ajavid: ^^ |
| 15:37.57 | Exule | ajavid, no idea where you recognize me from, but hello :) |
| 15:37.59 | ajavid | *wave* |
| 15:38.05 | ajavid | Exule, stoned/Nyle |
| 15:38.08 | ajavid | :) |
| 15:38.09 | Exule | aha |
| 15:38.42 | jetpda | !group hug |
| 15:38.43 | dpkg | hug: use the group, Luke |
| 15:38.45 | Exule | in any case, the config interface would likely be another tab in the xfdesktop settings... and also, you're patching 4.6, right? |
| 15:38.53 | ajavid | yes |
| 15:38.59 | ajavid | help me locate the dialog code? |
| 15:39.00 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 15:39.07 | ajavid | im feeling lazy |
| 15:39.18 | Exule | I'm supposed to be cooking food |
| 15:39.29 | Exule | but perhaps later |
| 15:39.30 | ajavid | im supposed to be fixin's dad's computer |
| 15:39.43 | jetpda | is werking... |
| 15:39.49 | ajavid | yeh, I'll come back to it when i can devote time to it, I just woke and not into feeling the coding thing yet |
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| 15:41.16 | ajavid | jetpda, sucks 2 b u! |
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| 15:42.09 | jetpda | walks thhrough mall 4 brkfst |
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| 15:42.47 | ajavid | ew, mall food |
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| 15:44.37 | ajavid | jetpda, #debian-chat |
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| 15:45.38 | ajavid | guys |
| 15:45.56 | ajavid | you think dsub over hdmi makes a difference in subpixel font rendering? |
| 15:46.08 | ajavid | I mean hdmi over dsub |
| 15:46.45 | dicket | I cannot seem to determine if this CPU should is 64 or 32bit. It's running windows right now and i can see it's a Intel Core2 Quad Q9400. As far as i can tell from wikipedia, all core2 models have 64bit extension (but i can't seem to verify in in the device manager). This is my first time on 64bit, and i plan on doing alot of large scale number crunching on this machine, should i use AMD64 or Intel x86? |
| 15:46.58 | ajavid | dicket, its 64bit |
| 15:47.05 | ajavid | dicket, you can run the debian AMD64 port |
| 15:47.08 | ajavid | !tell dicket -about amd64 |
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| 15:47.39 | Gast_750_ | http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 |
| 15:47.41 | Gast_750_ | http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 |
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| 15:48.42 | ajavid | ahhhhh boy |
| 15:48.48 | ajavid | stop it |
| 15:48.54 | greycat | dicket: you can run either i386 or amd64 |
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| 15:49.23 | dicket | he pasted that url 4 times! now i will definitely click it! |
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| 15:49.40 | ajavid | its probably german porn |
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| 15:49.52 | SparFux | How to unset an exim configuration macro? |
| 15:50.25 | ajavid | amd64 has come quite far since the days of etch/testing and before |
| 15:50.39 | ajavid | java/flash (the two biggest grips) are not longer grips |
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| 15:51.02 | ajavid | unlike windows, you will find 64bit drivers for most hardware in linux |
| 15:51.07 | dicket | Well.. those two are not so critical for me. I guess i'll go with AMD64. |
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| 15:51.14 | ajavid | if you have more than 4gb ram, you need amd64 regardless |
| 15:51.20 | ajavid | for less than 4gb, its your choice |
| 15:51.54 | ajavid | gripes* |
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| 15:52.02 | dicket | 4 GiB ram, Intel GMA (so i guess drivers will be easy). no wireless network (it's stationary after all). Well. sounds like AMD64 is for me. |
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| 15:52.17 | ajavid | dicket, perfect setup, amd64 will be just fine |
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| 15:52.31 | ajavid | Linux ajavid-desktop 2.6.29-2-amd64 #1 SMP Sun May 3 11:38:27 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:52.47 | ajavid | Mem: 8006 |
| 15:53.08 | ajavid | model name: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz -- cpu MHz: 3010.209 |
| 15:53.11 | ajavid | ;) |
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| 15:53.34 | ajavid | I wanted 16gb, but 4gb sticks were still a bit pricey in the 1066 range |
| 15:53.56 | ajavid | btw, thats a 430fsb x 7x cpu multi. |
| 15:54.21 | dicket | Hmm. I'm a bit curious regarding a bit of commersial software though. I'll probably want matlab and Mathematica. Well, worst case i'll just run them through ssh. |
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| 15:54.26 | ajavid | with a q9400 man, damn, I could do sooooo much |
| 15:54.31 | dicket | ;) |
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| 15:55.14 | ajavid | I dunno matlab and mathematial |
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| 15:55.39 | ajavid | are you a teacher? |
| 15:55.45 | ajavid | math teacher? |
| 15:55.48 | stew | dicket: a number of 32 bit librarires are available in the ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk package which may make it possible to run many 32 bit programs in a 64 bit install, if those don't work, you can always install a 32 bit chroot for the 32 bit software |
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| 15:56.08 | ajavid | in fact |
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| 15:56.15 | dicket | stew, sounds perfect. |
| 15:56.20 | ajavid | there is an amd64 howto that describes how to do that |
| 15:56.30 | greycat | Ah, I didn't realize you could use an i386 chroot under an amd64 kernel. |
| 15:56.32 | ajavid | its in the amd64 factoid I had the bot tell youe arlier |
| 15:56.37 | ajavid | greycat, indeed |
| 15:56.49 | dicket | ajavid, i'm a PhD student in mechanical engineering, but yeah, mathematica i use quite a bit when i'm teaching. |
| 15:57.06 | ajavid | yeh, I just got into post grad at my hometown uni. |
| 15:57.11 | ajavid | I wanna go career student too |
| 15:57.14 | ajavid | all the way to phd |
| 15:57.30 | ajavid | and beyond! |
| 15:58.12 | dicket | ajavid, hmm, no.. dpkg didn't tell me anything about such things. Rather, it told me to consider i386 unless i had a good reason not too :) |
| 15:58.18 | ajavid | really |
| 15:58.18 | stew | greycat: are you thinking of the other way around? there have been amd64 kernels for 32 bit userland for a long time |
| 15:58.20 | ajavid | !amd64 |
| 15:58.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. See also <why amd64>. |
| 15:58.31 | ajavid | oh modified factoir |
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| 15:58.40 | ajavid | hang on |
| 15:59.01 | dicket | I would have liked the version you mentioned though, that one (as well as why AMD64) are not very informative. |
| 15:59.17 | ajavid | http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 15:59.27 | ajavid | I looked on dpkg.vireo for *amd64* |
| 15:59.28 | Martin2 | WormFood: I fixed it :) |
| 15:59.31 | ajavid | nothing there for this |
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| 15:59.40 | ajavid | dpkg amd64.howto is http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 15:59.40 | dpkg | okay, ajavid |
| 16:00.04 | ajavid | dicket, look here please |
| 16:00.12 | dicket | ajavid, i already am :) Thanks again |
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| 16:00.40 | WormFood | great Martin2 |
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| 16:00.48 | ajavid | hi Worm |
| 16:00.52 | ajavid | wiggly worm |
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| 16:00.59 | ajavid | hehe |
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| 16:01.34 | dicket | uhm, one more thing. the netinstall CD will allow me to shrink an existing NTFS-partition right? Been a while (~3 years) since i had to install debian. |
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| 16:02.03 | ajavid | dicket, yes, ntfs-resize does exist on the installer |
| 16:02.30 | doudou | is there a phone that can connect easily to a home debian adsl? |
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| 16:02.37 | dicket | Is it noob-safe or does it come with a high fuck-up-risk? |
| 16:02.46 | ajavid | there is a risk always |
| 16:02.53 | ajavid | you can reduce the chances by defragging |
| 16:03.05 | ajavid | 2) consolidating free space so you have free space at either the begining or end of parition ntfs |
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| 16:03.14 | ajavid | 3) run ntfs file system checkers too |
| 16:03.20 | ajavid | just to be sfae, from within windows |
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| 16:06.18 | ajavid | heloo? |
| 16:06.20 | ajavid | !ping |
| 16:06.50 | dicket | ah yes? I was fetching a CD. |
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| 16:08.45 | GimpMachine | OK, so I upgrade from Etch to Leny and my sound isn't working |
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| 16:08.59 | stew | GimpMachine: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:09.23 | GimpMachine | the only output my volume mixers detect is my pc speaker |
| 16:09.27 | GimpMachine | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 16:09.27 | GimpMachine | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:09.44 | stew | GimpMachine: have you tried running alsaconf? |
| 16:09.50 | GimpMachine | yeah i did |
| 16:09.56 | GimpMachine | it detects the sound card and everything |
| 16:10.03 | stew | GimpMachine: which driver are you using? |
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| 16:10.06 | GimpMachine | yet i still get no sound out of my card |
| 16:10.10 | GimpMachine | emu10k1 |
| 16:10.16 | jmoncayo | hey guys i have ndiswrapper working for my bcm4328, when my wireless router was disabled the security it used to connect at boot time, now that it has wpa2 enabled it wont connect automaticly even though the configuration was saved |
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| 16:10.57 | WormFood | http://i31.tinypic.com/vq037s.jpg off topic, but rather funny |
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| 16:11.29 | JyZyXEL | could broken HD cause kernel panics? |
| 16:11.36 | stew | JyZyXEL: sure |
| 16:11.38 | stew | WormFood: please don't |
| 16:11.41 | JyZyXEL | and system freezes |
| 16:11.43 | xconspirisist | Hello people, this is possibly a silly question - but shoulden't amd64 work on an em64t proc? :/.... |
| 16:11.44 | SparFux | How can I unset the macro MAIN_TLS_ENABLE in exim4 config? setting it to no or untrue does not help as the macro is still set and .ifdef will be true! |
| 16:11.51 | stew | GimpMachine: you can try "/msg dpkg alsa checklist" and "/msg dpkg new alsa" |
| 16:11.53 | GimpMachine | JyZyXEL, yes, a broken hard drive very well can cause a kernel panic |
| 16:11.56 | JyZyXEL | i managed to find the last crash log and it was swapd |
| 16:12.01 | doudou | is there a package tutorial exercices to learn keyboard with all finger |
| 16:12.22 | JyZyXEL | kswapd |
| 16:12.55 | JyZyXEL | the HD that i have in my gateway is probably 15 years old :D |
| 16:12.58 | stew | doudou: tipptrainer is one of many |
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| 16:13.45 | doudou | stew, thanks |
| 16:13.48 | JyZyXEL | i just solved my hard disk I/O problems |
| 16:13.57 | JyZyXEL | its was cause my PSU was way underpowered |
| 16:13.59 | WormFood | JyZyXEL, 15 years old? what is it, a 40 meg drive? |
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| 16:14.06 | giacomo_away | hello |
| 16:14.17 | JyZyXEL | WormFood its like 8 GB |
| 16:14.28 | WormFood | 8 gig?!?! WOW! that is HUGE!!! |
| 16:14.45 | JyZyXEL | ;) |
| 16:14.57 | WormFood | http://wormfood.net/hard_drive.jpg <-- JyZyXEL are you sure this isn't your hard drive? |
| 16:15.21 | JyZyXEL | yea something like that |
| 16:15.34 | WormFood | I'm pretty sure that picture is out of a 1983 magazine...maybe as early as '81 or '82 |
| 16:15.36 | giacomo_away | I'm configuring the timezone on an italian server, the problem is that I've configured the timezone as Europe/Rome, but the date command says that now is 19:14:33 CEST 2009 but it's 18:15 right now |
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| 16:16.07 | WormFood | giacomo_away, did you try to set the clock with ntpdate? |
| 16:16.47 | JyZyXEL | i think im gonna upgrade my servers main HD so i can put the old one to my gateway |
| 16:17.20 | WormFood | gateway? |
| 16:17.32 | giacomo_away | WormFood no, I've just launched tzconfig |
| 16:17.42 | WormFood | that is the one where the box looks like a cow? |
| 16:17.43 | JyZyXEL | i just checked the SMART info and the counter says 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 040 040 000 Old_age Always - 52680 |
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| 16:17.59 | WormFood | giacomo_away, are you running ntpd? |
| 16:18.06 | WormFood | or, ntp (client) |
| 16:18.08 | JyZyXEL | 52680 is alot of hours :D |
| 16:18.19 | giacomo_away | WormFood, no, I haven't installed it |
| 16:18.27 | JyZyXEL | its actually 6 years lol |
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| 16:18.59 | GimpMachine | no dice |
| 16:19.25 | jelly | JyZyXEL: smartctl -a /dev/hda |grep Model ? |
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| 16:19.46 | WormFood | ok giacomo_away, go to the command line, and type ntpdate timex.peachned.edu (or whatever ntp server you want to use, that is just one I know off the top of my head) |
| 16:19.47 | JyZyXEL | Model Family: Seagate Barracuda ATA IV family Device Model: ST360021A |
| 16:19.56 | JyZyXEL | this is my servers main disk |
| 16:19.58 | giacomo_away | WormFood, I've installed ntpdate |
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| 16:20.31 | WormFood | ntpdate just sets your clock, using a time server as the reference |
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| 16:21.33 | WormFood | giacomo_away, sorry, I had a typo on that hostname |
| 16:21.57 | WormFood | giacomo_away, try "ntpdate timex.peachnet.edu" (or, like I said, use a different ntp server) |
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| 16:22.09 | epsas | how do I play commercial DVDs in debian lenny? |
| 16:22.16 | JyZyXEL | man im happy that the I/O errors are gone |
| 16:22.21 | jelly | JyZyXEL: its manual says 2001 |
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| 16:22.32 | JyZyXEL | who would have thought underpowered PSU could cause that |
| 16:22.34 | WormFood | you can also use "0.debian.pool.ntp.org" as the host name |
| 16:22.46 | WormFood | JyZyXEL, I'd think that |
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| 16:23.03 | JyZyXEL | hehe |
| 16:23.05 | WormFood | JyZyXEL, i've seen fucked up power supplies cause a lot of problems |
| 16:23.19 | WormFood | I had a hard drive burn up, because the 12V line was somehow at 10V |
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| 16:23.28 | epsas | is there a repository for mplayer with dvd decryption? |
| 16:23.34 | JyZyXEL | how can it burn in that situation o.O |
| 16:23.51 | WormFood | lower voltage causes more current draw |
| 16:23.57 | JyZyXEL | oh true |
| 16:23.57 | WormFood | more current causes more heat |
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| 16:24.11 | JyZyXEL | man im lucky i didn't burn my HD's |
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| 16:31.08 | valdyn | !dmm |
| 16:31.08 | dpkg | methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 16:31.10 | valdyn | epsas: ^^ |
| 16:31.27 | valdyn | epsas: package is libdvdcss2 |
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| 16:34.46 | epsas | coolness - thanks |
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| 16:41.01 | PWizard | has anyone noticed that php5 is broken? |
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| 16:41.20 | stew | PWizard: if so, i'd expect to find something in the bts about it |
| 16:41.32 | bmoll8 | I am coming from the fbsd world to debian, and was looking for a way to backup the changes made via rcconf. Where are the changes stored? |
| 16:41.52 | bmoll8 | in fbsd, we have a text file: /etc/rc.conf--just learning the ropes with debian though |
| 16:41.56 | greycat | bmoll8: /etc/rc*.d contains the symlinks to the scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 16:42.14 | PWizard | stew: I'm looking now... I apt-get upgraded today and the latest php5-* changes were in the upgrade set; now to get apache2 to run I have to a2dismod php5 |
| 16:42.33 | PWizard | stew: But there's no changelog available for the package right now |
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| 16:42.50 | bmoll8 | greycat: oh, how convenient |
| 16:43.01 | bmoll8 | greycat: enough to back that up then |
| 16:43.04 | greycat | /etc/init.d/README gives an overview |
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| 16:43.11 | stew | PWizard: what version of libapache2-mod-php5 is installed? |
| 16:43.44 | bmoll8 | greycat: i am rather excited about debian; freebsd is great if you are running a server, but for a desktop environment you have to compile everything...the precompiled packages are rather outdated and cause problems |
| 16:44.32 | PWizard | stew: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 |
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| 16:44.50 | stew | bmoll8: if you want start up scripts to be configured in a file, you COULD try switching from sysv-rc to file-rc |
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| 16:45.05 | greycat | The whole "/etc/rc.2d/S20foo -> ../init.d/foo" thing is traditional System V unix. Debian uses something called "start-stop-daemon" on top of that, which is another level of complexity. |
| 16:45.43 | stew | PWizard: if php5 were broken in stable, there would definately be a bug report about it. though I doubt its really broken for everyone, what exactly goes wrong on your machine? |
| 16:45.46 | \amethyst | I'd say start-stop-daemon is more under than on top of the sysv init system in debian |
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| 16:46.29 | PWizard | stew: when libapache2-mod-php5 is enabled, apache2 won't start properly - it won't create /var/run/apache2.pid, and won't write to the logs |
| 16:47.03 | \amethyst | it manages the different ways one can launch, track, and signal daemons, so that most of the daemon init scripts look similar (rather than, say, having their own code to manage pidfiles) |
| 16:47.28 | RichiH | is there a way to display a ssl pirvate key's details (especially the corresponding pubkey) so i can match against openssl x509 -noout -fingerprint -text from the cert? |
| 16:48.00 | greycat | PID files are a mess. |
| 16:48.15 | irch | Hello guys. I have a small issue. I`m trying to set up a dual display for my notebook (native + external LCD). The thing is that even though I have image on the external LCD, my system does not detect it. For example xrandr does not detect it. I have an ati hd2400 video card and catalyst 9.4. Any suggestion? |
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| 16:51.13 | stew | PWizard: do you get an error? |
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| 16:52.37 | oxi | hi |
| 16:52.48 | oxi | apt-get install sudo |
| 16:52.50 | oxi | Failed to fetch http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sudo/sudo_1.6.9p17-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found |
| 16:53.00 | greycat | oxi: do an "apt-get update" |
| 16:53.02 | oxi | <- can anyone help please |
| 16:53.08 | stew | judd: versions sudo |
| 16:53.09 | oxi | greycat: I did that |
| 16:53.10 | judd | stew: sudo -- etch: 1.6.8p12-4 lenny: 1.6.9p17-2 sid: 1.7.0-1 squeeze: 1.7.0-1 |
| 16:53.11 | khaije1 | hey are there any gui toolkits that can be used either with ncurse-style TUI and/or a regular desktop GUI ? |
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| 16:53.42 | stew | oxi: it should be looking for 1.6.9p17-2 not 1.6.9p17-1 ; seems like you need to apt-get update |
| 16:53.43 | PWizard | stew: no, that's the weird thing. apache2 shows up in the process list, and it listens on all configured ports, but it never accepts connections, serves pages, writes to logs, or anything |
| 16:53.46 | \amethyst | khaije1: I don't imagine dialog + xdialog counts :) |
| 16:53.51 | khaije1 | does such a thing exist, or even possible? |
| 16:54.02 | oxi | stew: exactly what I thought and what I did |
| 16:54.08 | oxi | but it didn't se to fix it |
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| 16:54.19 | themill | oxi: check for errors in the output of "apt-get update" in that case. |
| 16:54.19 | oxi | any idea what could be going wrong? |
| 16:54.27 | oxi | themill: ok |
| 16:54.40 | greycat | Or possibly your mirror needs a few more minutes/hours to finish a sync. |
| 16:54.41 | khaije1 | \amethyst: thats a popup util no? |
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| 16:55.00 | greycat | khaije1: dialog is terminal-based, xdialog/zenity are X clients. |
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| 16:55.21 | \amethyst | khaije1: yes |
| 16:55.25 | themill | greycat: sudo in lenny hasn't changed in months though... so that's not it |
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| 16:55.36 | oxi | themill: I see no error there |
| 16:55.50 | greycat | Where did he say he's using lenny? |
| 16:56.10 | oxi | greycat: I'm on lenny 5.0 64 |
| 16:56.26 | greycat | oxi: I'd suggest trying a differet mirror site |
| 16:56.33 | themill | greycat: that version of sudo is only in lenny. If he's using anything *other* than lenny then is apt list is even further out of date. |
| 16:56.50 | oxi | greycat: good idea, any quick tips how I do that? |
| 16:57.01 | themill | oxi: perhaps pastebin the output "apt-get update ; apt-cache policy sudo" |
| 16:57.14 | stew | its not the mirror, i just checked the Packages.bz2 on that mirror, and it points to the correct version |
| 16:57.14 | oxi | themill: ok, thanks |
| 16:57.16 | \amethyst | khaije1: some comments on the idea: http://www.milliways.fr/2008/06/24/daniel-burrows-on-cwidget-gtk/ |
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| 16:58.34 | khaije1 | is there anything that can be used to construct applications as opposed to isolated widgets, also zenity is nice but it doesnt have ncurse-style abilities afaik |
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| 16:58.50 | oxi | argh, my paste was denied by pastebin.com's spamfilter |
| 16:59.06 | themill | !paste |
| 16:59.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 16:59.09 | stew | oxi: paste.debian.net |
| 16:59.14 | oxi | stew: thanks |
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| 17:00.10 | oxi | apt-get update: http://paste.debian.net/35841/ |
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| 17:01.17 | oxi | apt-cache policy sudo: http://paste.debian.net/35842/ |
| 17:01.50 | oxi | so the "candidate" seems wrong |
| 17:02.29 | stew | oxi: how about the output of just "apt-cache policy" ? |
| 17:02.32 | oxi | am I right that this was caused by an outdated version table of the mirror? |
| 17:02.41 | oxi | stew: ok |
| 17:02.44 | khaije1 | \amethyst: hmm, good reference |
| 17:03.01 | stew | oxi: no, i've checked the packages file on the mirror, its pointint to the correct version |
| 17:03.59 | khaije1 | \amethyst: do you know if there are any other similar libraries i could compare this against? |
| 17:04.39 | oxi | apt-cache policy: http://paste.debian.net/35844/ |
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| 17:05.37 | oxi | stew: ok, thanks! |
| 17:05.44 | oxi | any further ideas? :-) |
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| 17:06.29 | oxi | it's a pretty fresh debian lenny 5.0 amd64 OpenVZ mini template |
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| 17:06.38 | oxi | nothing special |
| 17:07.20 | oxi | and the only thing I did was creating a user and change the root password and remove the root from ssh login and change the ssh port |
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| 17:08.20 | oxi | could the problem be that I'm on 5.0 (I'm not sure if I'm on 5.0 or 5.0.1) ? |
| 17:09.00 | stew | oxi: no, 5.0.1 is just some updates to 5.0.0 which you should have since you hnave lenny/updates in your sources.list |
| 17:09.02 | nsadmin | oxi: what;s in the file /etc/debian_veraion |
| 17:09.12 | nsadmin | oxi: what;s in the file /etc/debian_version |
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| 17:09.23 | oxi | stew: ok, thanks for the info |
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| 17:11.19 | Jemt | Hi. Is it possible to copy (ie using 'dd') the MBR from one USB stick to another? |
| 17:11.20 | PWizard | stew: I'm at a loss; I just downgraded to libapache2-mod-php5=5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 and still have the same problem when I restart apache with php5 enable |
| 17:11.23 | PWizard | +d |
| 17:11.25 | oxi | nsadmin: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:11.27 | oxi | 5.0 |
| 17:11.56 | stew | PWizard: can you show us what is in /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.{conf,load} ? |
| 17:12.25 | PWizard | stew: I could, but it's the default content |
| 17:12.38 | Jemt | Oh, Google came to my rescue :) http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ |
| 17:12.45 | nsadmin | hmm, I wonder if it would say "5.0.1" if you were updated to that |
| 17:13.12 | themill | nsadmin: yes, it would |
| 17:13.43 | nsadmin | oxi: ok, themill confirms you're not at 5.0.1 yet |
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| 17:14.17 | oxi | cat /etc/apt/sources.list : http://paste.debian.net/35847/ |
| 17:14.20 | PWizard | stew: Yeah, just verified, php.{conf,load} matches the package contents |
| 17:14.24 | nsadmin | so you have those in your sources but you havent' actually pulled the trigger yet |
| 17:14.58 | PWizard | stew: Might be something in php.ini, but I can't imagine what would have changed that would cause my (previously-working) setup to break so strangely |
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| 17:15.37 | oxi | hmmm, then I'll try to update to 5.0.1 first |
| 17:15.55 | nsadmin | is (w/in sources.list) lenny/updates significant other than on security.d.o? |
| 17:16.33 | stew | nsadmin: ftp.de and ftp2.de have unofficial mirrors of security.d.o |
| 17:16.52 | oxi | stew: that sounds bad |
| 17:17.10 | oxi | stew: I guess you'd recommend me to change the sources.list, right? |
| 17:17.22 | oxi | which is the main server? |
| 17:17.31 | oxi | where does everything come from? :-) |
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| 17:18.12 | stew | oxi: yes, i'd recommend switching to security.debian.org for lenny/updates, but this doesn't affect your current problem |
| 17:18.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | oxi, well, do you have somnabulism? |
| 17:18.31 | oxi | somnabulism? :-) |
| 17:18.36 | PWizard | stew: yeah, /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini is still my original working copy |
| 17:18.39 | nsadmin | stated another way... if he had lenny/updates on a non-security source url, would that refer to updates that aren't security-based, or would it give 404 not found? |
| 17:18.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | sleep-walking :) |
| 17:18.45 | oxi | lol |
| 17:18.47 | oxi | maybe |
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| 17:19.00 | oxi | I have yet to wake up, then I'll see |
| 17:19.14 | stew | nsadmin: it would be 404, but since that's not what he's doing its not 404 |
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| 17:19.38 | stew | nsadmin: as he's gbiong to lenny/updates on a security.d.o mirror |
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| 17:19.46 | PWizard | stew: fwiw, arch=amd64 |
| 17:20.11 | stew | PWizard: can you show us your apache config files? |
| 17:20.12 | nsadmin | ahh... ok, so he's all set then... all he has to do is pull the trigger |
| 17:20.23 | stew | nsadmin: no, he has other problems |
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| 17:20.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | gbiong? |
| 17:21.00 | Circuitsoft | Hello. I'm having, what I believe to be, an installation issue with texinfo. |
| 17:21.04 | stew | in general its not recommended to use mirrors of security.debian.org, since doing so allows for replay attacks |
| 17:21.12 | stew | but it has nothing to do with his current problem |
| 17:21.14 | Circuitsoft | "man bash" says the full manual is in the info document. |
| 17:21.29 | Circuitsoft | "info bash" opens (*manpages*)bash |
| 17:21.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's probably... |
| 17:21.50 | stew | Circuitsoft: yes, this is becuase gnu is goofy, not an indication that something else is wrong |
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| 17:21.57 | nsadmin | stew: but say he didn't have those problems... his sources.list is ready to go? |
| 17:22.31 | stew | nsadmin: yes, although its not recommended to use mirrors of security.debian.org unless you fully trust the mirror owner |
| 17:22.39 | nsadmin | gotcha |
| 17:22.39 | Circuitsoft | stew: How would I go about reading the info page? |
| 17:22.48 | stew | Circuitsoft: "info bash" |
| 17:22.57 | PWizard | stew: Significant sanitizing would have to happen before I could paste the config files anywhere. Suffice it to say that the config files have worked well for ~4 years now and the site-specific configuration is well understood. |
| 17:23.02 | Circuitsoft | stew: That doesn't work. |
| 17:23.06 | nsadmin | Circuitsoft: why? |
| 17:23.10 | Circuitsoft | It shows me the manpage again. |
| 17:23.12 | maelcum|uni | Circuitsoft: you don't have the real info page installed then |
| 17:23.22 | Circuitsoft | What package is it in? |
| 17:23.29 | nsadmin | oh, the info pages are not installed... they're probably non-free |
| 17:23.37 | Circuitsoft | I have bash-doc installed. |
| 17:24.00 | stew | Circuitsoft: there isn't a separate info doc for bash |
| 17:24.07 | hark | not in debian last i checked |
| 17:24.14 | stew | Circuitsoft: so "info bash" should show you the manpage |
| 17:24.20 | Circuitsoft | I do have the non-free repos enabled in my sources.list, though I don't know why anything gnu would apply. |
| 17:24.46 | stew | Circuitsoft: lots of gnu documentation is non-free, though bash doesn't seem to have a separate non-free doc like other gnu software |
| 17:25.05 | greycat | There is a "bashref" in .texi format, but not a bash manual. |
| 17:25.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, I always felt the bash manpage is pretty complete |
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| 17:25.26 | hark | !dbugs 427804 |
| 17:25.30 | dpkg | #427804:I[bash] bash: missing info documentation (); Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:06:02 UTC [] |
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| 17:25.57 | stew | oh maybe there was an info doc that was removed for being non-free |
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| 17:26.02 | Circuitsoft | Hmm. okay. |
| 17:26.03 | nsadmin | you could brute-force it by getting the bash source from gnu.org, the info pages (or the texinfo doc, which would be used to generate the .info files) should be there |
| 17:26.09 | Circuitsoft | greycat: Maybe that's what I'm thinking of. |
| 17:26.25 | Circuitsoft | I came from Gentoo where the info docs are all installed. |
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| 17:26.32 | Circuitsoft | (At least when selected) |
| 17:26.41 | stew | Circuitsoft: ahh, probably gnu made the doc non-free |
| 17:26.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | err... read the bug? |
| 17:26.54 | stew | by "the doc' i mean "the info page" |
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| 17:27.16 | greycat | The bashref.texi file is under the GNU FDL |
| 17:27.17 | nsadmin | yeah, we're guessing |
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| 17:27.39 | greycat | At least in the bash-4.0 source tree which is what I'm looking at. |
| 17:27.55 | oxi | stew&nsadmin: yeah, I'm just modifying my sources.list and struggling with vi again :-) |
| 17:28.10 | stew | greycat: with cover texts or other invariant sections? |
| 17:28.23 | nsadmin | nano is a less struggly editor |
| 17:28.41 | greycat | stew: Um... it says "Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, with the Front-Cover texts being ...." |
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| 17:28.58 | stew | right, which is why it can't be in debian |
| 17:29.02 | PWizard | stew: just found something interesting in an strace I ran of apache2: "symbol lookup error" "undefined symbol: php_pdo_declare" |
| 17:29.17 | themill | puts a copy of the GNU manifesto on the back of his pocket sized bash refcard... |
| 17:29.19 | nsadmin | because it has front and/or back cover texts |
| 17:29.24 | oxi | nsadmin: true, and I like mcedit, but I felt a little embarassed not to be vi capable, so I'm quickly catching up again |
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| 17:30.18 | nsadmin | don't be... editor wars have gone on long before you and will continue long after you :) |
| 17:30.29 | ajavid | good afternoon |
| 17:30.48 | greycat | I must admit I don't quite understand the GNU FDL stuff yet. |
| 17:30.53 | oxi | nsadmin: :-) |
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| 17:31.13 | nsadmin | oxi: in other words... use anything you want |
| 17:31.26 | ajavid | oxi, yup, gotta know all the major ones, emacs, vi, you can prefer what you want, but you should know them both |
| 17:31.41 | stew | greycat: the short version is that the front/back cover texts, if they exist, are not modifiable. the FSF believes that documentation is not software, and that documentation should not necessarily be free |
| 17:31.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin ... as long as it's exactly what we tell you to? :) |
| 17:31.46 | oxi | ajavid: yeah, that's what I thought |
| 17:31.51 | greycat | It's very helpful to know the essential commands of both vi and emacs, yes. |
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| 17:32.24 | oxi | eclipse is my home, but that's another thing :-) |
| 17:32.38 | ajavid | ugh.. I gave up on zend studio/eclipse/pdt |
| 17:32.46 | ajavid | netbeans 6.7/php is all i need now ;) |
| 17:32.54 | nsadmin | especially in case those editors are the only ones installed on some unix or unix-alike you happen to run across |
| 17:33.21 | ajavid | nsadmin, and thats why, also pico/nano are common too |
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| 17:33.25 | maelcum|uni | the most essential commands are save and quit, in case some tool helfpully starts the editor for you :) |
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| 17:33.30 | ajavid | its just good to know stuff in case that is all you ahve |
| 17:33.48 | ajavid | oxi, btw, what do you use eclipse for? |
| 17:33.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | like making fire with a stick and a piece of thread |
| 17:34.16 | nsadmin | emacs has that shell mode which is really handy for things like sqlplus, psql, etc |
| 17:34.16 | Circuitsoft | As odd as it sounds, I mainly use Vim, but find other Vi variants to be quite confusing. |
| 17:34.19 | ajavid | basics are usually the same |
| 17:34.21 | oxi | ajavid: troll around in java code :-) |
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| 17:34.30 | ajavid | oxi, oye! |
| 17:34.32 | LiCeT | hi all |
| 17:34.37 | greycat | I use vim, but I use it like "vi with about 3 new features" and ignore 98% of it. |
| 17:35.24 | themill | greycat: "vi with cursor keys that work and multi-level undo"? |
| 17:35.35 | nsadmin | let's see... 98% of 3 is... ummm.... |
| 17:35.41 | Circuitsoft | greycat: Once you start trying to do more than really basic editing, you'll be reaching for that extended-commands manual in no time. |
| 17:35.45 | greycat | No, not the arrow keys. I do love the multi-undo though. |
| 17:35.59 | gravity | has been meaning to try and emacs shell with psql |
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| 17:36.28 | Circuitsoft | Multi-undo, change lists, tags, spellcheck, paragraph reformatting, keyword completion... |
| 17:36.33 | fanti | how do i find out form which debian package a file was installed? |
| 17:36.39 | st3ven33 | I have a problem with GRUB. However, the question is, can BIOS see if the ATA HDD is in master mode using MASTER jumper or is in master mode using CABLE SELECT? |
| 17:36.41 | greycat | fanti: dpkg -S filename |
| 17:36.43 | ajavid | I used emacs a while on php-mode primarily, it was good. for my needs though, netbeans is fantastid |
| 17:36.49 | Circuitsoft | fanti: dpkg-query -S /path/to/file |
| 17:36.54 | fanti | thx |
| 17:36.57 | nsadmin | gravity, it's awesome when you're experimenting and want to save the results... developing a data model, can't be beat with a stick |
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| 17:37.12 | ajavid | st3ven33, on cable select whichever comes first takes priority, on master slave you set the jumpers exclusively |
| 17:37.36 | gravity | nsadmin: Yeah, that does sound good. I've been leaning hard on pgadmin because I'm still a postgres newb, but I'm definitely moving towards using emacs for it all soon |
| 17:37.42 | nsadmin | gravity, but watch out, if you exit emacs, it won't consider the shell buffer dirty and ask to save it |
| 17:37.43 | Circuitsoft | ajavid, st3ven33: On cable select, the drive at the end of the cable is master. |
| 17:37.45 | ajavid | st3ven33, thats what bios sees, after you modify the jumper |
| 17:37.52 | ajavid | Circuitsoft, thats what I said |
| 17:37.52 | gravity | nsadmin: Good to know, thank you |
| 17:37.58 | ajavid | but im looking it from the other end of th eline |
| 17:37.59 | ajavid | hehe |
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| 17:38.05 | ajavid | first, last, whatever |
| 17:38.22 | oxi | hmm, I vi'd /etc/apt/sources.list and hit apt-get update && update-upgrade .... but apt-get install sudo still doesn't behave |
| 17:38.38 | ajavid | oxi, be more specific |
| 17:39.14 | greycat | oxi: do you have sources.list lines that are not from lenny? |
| 17:39.21 | nsadmin | gravity: I do openacs work occasionally, which has both a data model and tcl apis... so sometimes I have an additional shell buffer for the appropriate tclsh |
| 17:39.28 | greycat | oxi: or, did you ever, at any time in the past, have unstable and/or testing lines? |
| 17:39.35 | oxi | here's my sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/35854/ |
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| 17:39.56 | oxi | greycat: no |
| 17:40.45 | oxi | greycat: well, I can't tell for sure, but the vserver admin told me it's a default debian lenny 5.0 amd64 openvz mini template |
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| 17:41.03 | oxi | should I start bugging the root ds server admin? |
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| 17:41.27 | greycat | oxi: is it still trying to download 1.6.9p17-1 instead of -2? |
| 17:41.41 | oxi | here's the original sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/35847 |
| 17:41.50 | oxi | greycat: yes |
| 17:42.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | oxi, just wait a bit then or take a different mirror - perhaps the Packages.gz is just not recent, the packages are |
| 17:42.38 | greycat | or perhaps your network is behind a misbehaving HTTP cache |
| 17:42.40 | nsadmin | oh, you mean the packages.gz on the mirror |
| 17:42.58 | oxi | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, I'll try a different mirror .... yeah, vi time again .... *struggling" |
| 17:43.11 | oxi | hmm, maybe |
| 17:43.19 | themill | misbehaving transparent proxy sounds most like it.... |
| 17:43.22 | greycat | I'd start by changing ftp2.de to ftp.de |
| 17:43.22 | nsadmin | patpats his sources.list.m4... |
| 17:43.25 | oxi | but that's odd that this can happen |
| 17:43.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | oxi, oh, just saw stew said he checked the contents... hard to catch up in time :) |
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| 17:44.10 | themill | oxi: check the locally downloaded Packages file: grep "Package: sudo$" -A10 /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages |
| 17:44.33 | nsadmin | say "just saw stew said" 10 times really fast :) |
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| 17:45.02 | dogmeat | is there a way to stop iptables from command line? e.g. /etc/init.d/iptables stop? |
| 17:45.13 | dogmeat | i dont have a debian install |
| 17:45.13 | greycat | iptables isn't a daemon |
| 17:45.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is /etc/init.d/iptables, though |
| 17:45.44 | greycat | iptables is a command that sets "rules" inside the kernel |
| 17:45.45 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: not in debian |
| 17:45.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, I have it! |
| 17:45.57 | stew | dogmeat: if you aren't runnind debian, you are asking in the wrong channel |
| 17:46.01 | oxi | grep "Package: sudo$" -A10 /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages -> http://paste.debian.net/35855/ |
| 17:46.04 | xconspirisist | Hey, what does the S mean in these directory permissions: "drwxr-sr-x", never seen that before :/ |
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| 17:46.14 | nsadmin | dogmeat: that would confuse me... how is that relevent here? |
| 17:46.20 | stew | xconspirisist: 'sticky' ; /msg dpkg permissions |
| 17:46.20 | dogmeat | it's for a debian install, someone else is asking |
| 17:46.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, perhaps I made one in a distant past, though |
| 17:46.26 | dogmeat | im relaying the quest |
| 17:46.35 | nsadmin | oh, in that case... |
| 17:46.39 | xconspirisist | stew: But, in the group part? |
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| 17:46.42 | themill | oxi: right, so your mirror seems to be OK, but your local Packages file is not. |
| 17:46.49 | greycat | dogmeat: you can *remove* the iptables rules from the running kernel, but you can't "stop iptables". Check the /topic of #iptables for howtos and so on. |
| 17:46.54 | oxi | themill: you're right |
| 17:47.14 | oxi | now I have to figure out how to fix it |
| 17:47.26 | greycat | I still think switching to a different mirror will be the best bet. |
| 17:47.30 | stew | dogmeat: you can set the default policies on all the chains with iptables -P chainname ACCEPT ; you can flush all the rules on a chain with "iptables -F chianname" |
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| 17:47.42 | oxi | greycat: sure I'm on the vi struggle :-) |
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| 17:48.04 | stew | xconspirisist: see http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 17:48.15 | xconspirisist | Okay poke, thanks. |
| 17:48.31 | greycat | stew: heh, that looks familiar... |
| 17:48.41 | themill | oxi: changing mirrors might solve this problem in the short term, but there's a good chance it will come back if you've got a proxy in the road that's misbehaving |
| 17:48.50 | stew | greycat: :) |
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| 17:49.01 | greycat | stew: the copy on http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions has a few changes. |
| 17:49.25 | nsadmin | maybe he could use ftp instead of http |
| 17:49.36 | greycat | worth a shot if switching mirrors doesn't work |
| 17:49.54 | stew | nsadmin: yeah, it could be a broken http proxy i guess? |
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| 17:50.19 | nsadmin | how could he find out for sure? |
| 17:50.20 | Jemt | What happens if I do this ? dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1 ? sda1 = 1GB, sdb1 = 1.3GB. Will the content copied to sdb1 be 100% readable afterwards? And will all 1.3 GB be available? Will the partition table be messed up ? |
| 17:51.14 | oxi | heh, thanks a lot guys! |
| 17:51.14 | oxi | changing the main mirror worked |
| 17:51.14 | greycat | sda1 and sdb1 do not contain the partition table |
| 17:51.15 | nsadmin | Jemt: that would copy the partition |
| 17:51.28 | oxi | themill: you think there's a chance that I'll run into trouble again? |
| 17:51.34 | greycat | assuming sda1 contains a linux file system, sdb1 will also contain that same file system, but it will only be 1.0 GB not 1.3 GB. You'll have 0.3 GB of wasted disk space. |
| 17:52.04 | Jemt | Okay. As long as the content is readable :) |
| 17:52.11 | nsadmin | what are you looking to do? |
| 17:52.25 | nsadmin | so you do want to copy the partition? |
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| 17:53.07 | Jemt | Backup a USB stick with 2 partitions - but I only need the first partition. Also, the stick I want to place the backup on, is not big enough to contain both partitions |
| 17:53.10 | izua | i need xbindkeys to run when X starts, i assume the bash profile is the wrong way to go? |
| 17:53.10 | themill | oxi: well, _if_ it's a misbehaving proxy, then it might misbehave again and won't be serving you updated Packages lists. |
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| 17:53.59 | oxi | themill: ah, I see, but that shouldn't happen, as long as I stick to the main mirror ftp.debian.org, right? |
| 17:54.00 | Jemt | Oh, and the stick is bootable - so I need to copy the MBR too; http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ |
| 17:54.12 | themill | dpkg: tell oxi about ftp.debian.org |
| 17:54.32 | oxi | themill: thanks |
| 17:54.43 | themill | oxi: ftp.debian.org isn't the main mirror, and it's not the mirror that's the problem anyway -- it's something else that's on your network between your machine and the mirror. |
| 17:54.52 | nsadmin | any way he could find out for sure? |
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| 17:55.37 | oxi | themill: ah, I see! |
| 17:55.41 | oxi | the vserver hoster is probably running some kind of transparent caching proxy |
| 17:55.52 | oxi | now I understand what you're trying to tell me :-) |
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| 17:55.59 | themill | oxi: you could ask your provider if there is an http proxy that you can *explicitly* tell apt to use, that might make life safer. Transparent proxies are evil and break stuff. |
| 17:56.03 | oxi | I guess that's done to lower the traffic |
| 17:56.24 | oxi | themill: Alles klar! :-) |
| 17:56.38 | oxi | thanks a lot for your explanations and for solving my trouble! |
| 17:56.49 | themill | no worries... good luck with it |
| 17:56.55 | gravity | izua: Put it in your ~/.xsession and use that to start your window manager/desktop environment also |
| 17:57.27 | izua | there's only "exec startkde" there |
| 17:57.34 | gravity | izua: Then start the default session type in your *dm (this will work by default if you use startx or xdm) |
| 17:57.42 | gravity | izua: Put the xbindkeys call before that |
| 17:57.48 | izua | that's what i did :) |
| 17:57.58 | gravity | Ok, that should work then |
| 17:58.04 | izua | mkay. thanks! |
| 17:58.22 | gravity | No problem |
| 17:58.28 | epsilon | shuttle Atlantis launch -4 min: http://xrl.us/beksr9 |
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| 18:00.28 | izua | ok.. one more thing |
| 18:00.45 | izua | when i try to enter standby (regular or hibernate) it goes ok |
| 18:00.55 | izua | but then i can't get out of standby anymore and I have to reset the box |
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| 18:11.24 | greycat | How do I tell sudo that when *I* run a command via sudo, I want it to preseve all the environment variables? |
| 18:11.31 | greycat | I can't make sense of sudoers(5). |
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| 18:11.48 | greycat | "wooledg ALL = SETENV: ALL" does not get the job done. |
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| 18:12.50 | Jason^^ | how do i update to stable? |
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| 18:13.31 | greycat | Jason^^: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 18:14.04 | Jason^^ | sweet |
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| 18:16.28 | epsas | i have a question for a unix god |
| 18:16.36 | earthian | Hello, what is the command to get information of all hardware devices in my system? |
| 18:16.52 | earthian | epsas, join #unixchurch for your question |
| 18:17.04 | donald | earthian: try hwinfo |
| 18:17.17 | epsas | i am setting up nis using a different src directory for passwd,group,shadow -- /etc/yp instead of /etc -- anybody know of a quick hack for doing that with the standard adduser/passwd tools? |
| 18:17.18 | greycat | earthian: dmidecode as well |
| 18:17.19 | earthian | thanks donald :) |
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| 18:17.28 | earthian | thanks:) |
| 18:17.30 | epsas | or should i just download the source and compile new versions? |
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| 18:18.24 | greycat | epsas: well... one thought that comes to mind would be creating a chroot in /etc/yp and having /etc/yp/etc -> .. (so that /etc/passwd inside the chroot points to /etc/yp/passwd) |
| 18:18.30 | greycat | epsas: that's a bit messy though |
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| 18:18.59 | Kuna | how to uninstall squeeze and return to Lenny? |
| 18:19.09 | Kuna | thanks... |
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| 18:19.34 | epsas | yeah, that sounds a bit messy |
| 18:19.38 | greycat | Hmm, looks like the SETENV flag combined with running "sudo -E" will preserve my http_proxy variable. |
| 18:19.43 | greycat | What a pain. |
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| 18:20.17 | Axz | Guys whats best way to reduce apache CPU usage on debian |
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| 18:20.31 | greycat | Get fewer hits. |
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| 18:21.02 | greycat | Convert CGI applications to something more efficient. |
| 18:21.07 | Axz | well having about 20k/25k visitor son daily basses it still overloading |
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| 18:22.20 | epsas | Axz - that is a rather broad question =) |
| 18:23.09 | greycat | !tell Kuna about downgrade |
| 18:23.23 | sepski | Axz, use some accelerator/precompiler/cacher for your language ? |
| 18:23.48 | greycat | Seriously? Start by identifying where the problem is. |
| 18:23.53 | Axz | sepski, using PHP / wordpress and yes cacher is on... |
| 18:24.29 | Axz | what kind of acceleratorare we talking about? |
| 18:24.42 | greycat | sounds like a question for #php or #httpd |
| 18:24.54 | greycat | I guess that's ##php now. |
| 18:24.59 | greycat | stabs lilo's ghost |
| 18:25.25 | sepski | well if the application allready does that then things like ioncube or eaccelerate is redundant i guess |
| 18:25.46 | Kuna | greycat thanks |
| 18:26.50 | sepski | Axz, you might want to look into what exactly consumes cpu. it could be a database backend and not the php /apache at all. |
| 18:27.20 | greycat | Also verify that CPU is really the bottleneck, and not for example disk I/O. |
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| 18:27.32 | sepski | lots-of-ram never hurt anyone and is dirt cheap nowdays |
| 18:27.51 | thechef | I told my computer that I do not need any accessibility features but when I was pressing shift for a long time it activated something. I do not wish my computer to behave so unpredictably and time based pressing of keys is unpredictable to me. |
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| 18:28.01 | thechef | I use KDE 3.5.10 |
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| 18:28.55 | sepski | the kde- control center - reginal and accessability- accessabillity |
| 18:28.56 | beardy | thechef: Well, I'm sure you have settings concerning that in the Control Panel or what they call it now again. |
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| 18:29.39 | sepski | and turn of the activation gestures, sticky keys and whats not |
| 18:29.57 | thechef | beardy: yeah I switched that off, but I didn't ask for accessibility in the beginning. Why doesn't it precisely ask what I want when I start KDE for the first time? |
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| 18:30.33 | izua | hmm |
| 18:30.36 | thechef | There was a checkbox for accessibility, but that doesn't seem to cover activation gestures |
| 18:30.39 | izua | ifconfig eth0 down seems to do nothing |
| 18:30.46 | izua | if I run ifconfig eth0 is still up :/ |
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| 18:30.56 | greycat | izua: try "ifdown eth0" |
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| 18:31.01 | beardy | thechef: It probably (and can only) ask you to install/activate _more_ accessability functions, but doesn't remove the basic ones, or turn them off based on that question, but yes, it could mention how and where to disable it then. |
| 18:31.25 | beardy | thechef: Maybe make a wishlist bug, or provide a better solution then. |
| 18:31.45 | thechef | okay beardy, thank you |
| 18:32.01 | greycat | It's unlikely Debian would change the behavior of a widely-used meta-GUI like KDE... you'd have more luck getting changes done if you go upstream. |
| 18:32.12 | greycat | (Then again, Debian changes the behavior of bash, so what do I know....) |
| 18:32.27 | beardy | Yeah.. I meant mostly a text change, in that question. |
| 18:32.37 | beardy | Yep, who knows, worth a try. |
| 18:32.43 | greycat | I guess the rule is: if the change you want would help you, Debian won't do it. If the change makes no sense and just hinders you, Debian probably did it. |
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| 18:33.04 | thechef | lol |
| 18:33.05 | beardy | Someone needs some sugar! |
| 18:33.12 | greycat | !safecat |
| 18:33.12 | dpkg | safecat is, like, a program for delivering messages to maildir format mailboxes. But the Debian maintainer is an idiot. greycat's fixed version of safecat is at <http://wooledge.org/~greg/safecat/> and <http://bugs.debian.org/220849>. |
| 18:33.14 | seniorake | s it possible to use iptables to filter the host-header of a tcp-package? for example, i want to drop it if host: foo.com |
| 18:33.44 | greycat | seniorake: that kind of information is only available at the application layer, and only for HTTP. |
| 18:33.51 | greycat | seniorake: iptables doesn't work at that layer. |
| 18:34.02 | seniorake | i assumed that much, damn :/ |
| 18:34.23 | greycat | seniorake: the normal approach to that kind of problem is to use an HTTP proxy. |
| 18:34.30 | seniorake | i see |
| 18:35.00 | thechef | Just dropping packets doesn't work at application layer anymore :) |
| 18:35.20 | beardy | !squid |
| 18:35.21 | dpkg | i heard squid is the Squid Internet Object Cache, a caching web proxy server supporting HTTP, HTTPS, FTP and other protocols. http://squid-cache.org/, http://wiki.squid-cache.org/, /usr/share/doc/squid/* Ask me about <transparent proxy> and <squid deb caching>. #squid @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 18:37.25 | st3ven33 | Can PC BIOS see if the ATA HDD is in master mode using MASTER jumper or is in master mode using CABLE SELECT? As far as I know it is done below the BIOS level electronically using the special CS cable. Am I right? |
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| 18:37.46 | greycat | I'd imagine that depends on the BIOS, but I'm not an expert on that. |
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| 18:40.58 | shyam_k | if i give bash commands in crontab, where would be the messages it will be generating? |
| 18:41.06 | greycat | email to you |
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| 18:41.54 | shyam_k | through anacron? |
| 18:42.01 | shyam_k | /var/spool/mail ? |
| 18:42.11 | greycat | I don't know about anacron specifically. |
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| 18:42.36 | shyam_k | okay.. anyway i got the clue.. |
| 18:42.38 | greycat | Regular unix cron emails the standard output and standard error of your jobs (if there is any of either) to you. |
| 18:43.20 | shyam_k | gets why he is recieving mails from anacron;-) |
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| 18:47.35 | lexr | i have a problem, I just installed Lenny, and although I have two video devices (tv card and a webcam) I can only see my tv card, no webcam. How do I fix this? |
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| 18:58.26 | PWizard | stew: I figured out what was causing apache to freak out, it turns out there was an out-of-date copy of mysql_pdo.so from a previous version of one of the php5 packages. When I upgraded, pdo.so was upgraded but pdo_mysql.so was not, since I didn't have the php5-mysql package installed |
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| 18:59.04 | PWizard | stew: but the mismatched versions caused the linker to freak out and crash all but the listening thread in apache |
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| 19:11.08 | st3ven33 | is it important for GRUB if the IDE HDD is connected to IDE channel0 as MASTER or connected to IDE channel1 as MASTER? |
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| 19:11.37 | jelly-home | st3ven33: if it's the only disk present, probably not |
| 19:12.03 | nsadmin | st3ven33: if not, you'd need a way to boot from it from the first disk |
| 19:12.07 | jelly-home | st3ven33: it becomes important if you add a second IDE drive |
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| 19:13.38 | syslq78 | eth1 vs wlan0? What is this naming thing? I have changed propertary driver with open source one and I got wlan0 instead of eth1 |
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| 19:14.27 | stew | syslq78: yes, the driver determines the naming. you can rename it if you want, see /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 19:14.54 | ^^senxillo^^ | debhelper te echo una mano |
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| 19:15.33 | ^^senxillo^^ | debhelper estas sordo |
| 19:15.33 | syslq78 | stew: thanks, open source one lets me adjust txpower and propertary insists on frying my balls on 1496mw regardless of AP signal strength |
| 19:15.36 | stew | !es |
| 19:15.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:15.57 | stew | syslq78: i'd recommend open source |
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| 19:16.15 | ^^senxillo^^ | este canal que es de marikas |
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| 19:16.28 | syslq78 | stew: yeah, specially with b4312 it seem to work way better |
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| 19:16.47 | st3ven33 | jelly-home and nsadmin: so as I understand everything is fine until I have only one HDD because if I have set the HDD as a first boot device in BIOS, the BIOS will certainly use this one HDD to boot OS. Now if I add another drive, then BIOS will boot the the one, which has a higher priority? And the priority is 1) channel0 master, 2) channel0 slave, 3)channel1 master 4) channel1 slave. Am I correct? |
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| 19:19.06 | Firestarter | I get this error" error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" is it possible to link a newer version of the file to the older one and have it work? |
| 19:19.20 | greycat | Firestarter: no, you need the older shared library |
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| 19:19.57 | Firestarter | greycat: is that available with a package or do I have to manually install |
| 19:20.07 | greycat | If there's no package for that shared library in your version of Debian, then you may have to copy it manually into /usr/local/lib and verify that /etc/ld.so.conf contains /usr/local/lib and run ldconfig -v. |
| 19:20.09 | Peanut | Hi, while trying to build a debian-kernal on a dual Xeon, how can I get make to fork of a few more processes? |
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| 19:22.14 | jelly-home | st3ven33: that's pretty much it, but some (most?) BIOSes also have options to set the device order |
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| 19:24.36 | kingsley | How would you list all installed packages that depend on a certain package? |
| 19:24.49 | st3ven33 | jelly-home: ok, my BIOS has no such option. However, if I have set up GRUB to load kernel from hd(1,0), then I have to connect my HDD to IDE channel1? And if I have set GRUB to load kernel from hd(0,1), then I have to connect my HDD to IDE channel0? |
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| 19:25.13 | izzle | I see 5 DVDs to download.. how many do I need just for a basic GUI - either Gnome or KDE install? |
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| 19:25.26 | greycat | izzle: one. |
| 19:25.28 | izzle | Ajda^^ is also spamming |
| 19:25.45 | izzle | greycat, cool.. thanks |
| 19:25.55 | izzle | greycat, I didnt see that in the faq ....... |
| 19:26.08 | izzle | oh wait |
| 19:26.10 | izzle | nvm :-\ |
| 19:26.13 | izzle | :-X |
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| 19:27.59 | kingsley | It seems to me that "apt-rdepends -p -r <certain-package-name> | egrep -v NotInstalled | grep Installed" lists all installed packages that depend on the certain package, but I suspect there's a more concise command. |
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| 19:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, there's apt-rdepends |
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| 19:30.15 | greycat | No manual entry for apt-rdepends |
| 19:30.16 | greycat | :( |
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| 19:30.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | not installed |
| 19:30.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think apt-cache rdepends is good enough for us simple people, though |
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| 19:30.58 | greycat | Why are all these things in separate packages? |
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| 19:31.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-rdepends: /usr/share/man/man8/apt-rdepends.8.gz |
| 19:31.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think this one is because it's obscure |
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| 19:32.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | you only need it if apt-cache rdepends isn't providing enough information for you |
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| 19:34.07 | greycat | apt-cache --installed rdepends FOO |
| 19:34.13 | greycat | that looks to be the simplest way |
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| 19:35.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually apt-rdepends never gives me any lines containing " Installed"... |
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| 19:35.44 | justin | isn't that kind of what apt-get -s remove FOO would tell you? |
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| 19:36.00 | greycat | apt-get -s remove requires root |
| 19:36.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, seems apt-rdepends goes through stuff recursively, though |
| 19:36.10 | justin | sooo? :) |
| 19:36.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | (with -r) |
| 19:36.27 | greycat | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm.... |
| 19:36.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | or something |
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| 19:37.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the guy who asked this is sleeping anyway |
| 19:38.26 | not_r00t | i'm trying to figure out what is causing my system to crash repeatedly. usually upon reboot i get a kernel panic MANY times. sometimes it wont boot until it sits for several hours unused and then it will make it through the boot process. |
| 19:38.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-rdepends -p -r openoffice.org | egrep -v NotInstalled seems to do what he wants on lenny |
| 19:39.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | so he must be either on etch or testing/unstable or ubuntu or something |
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| 19:39.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | not_r00t, sounds like hardware |
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| 19:40.26 | Shadowcat | using testing/unstable this soon after a major release is like asking for trouble |
| 19:40.30 | not_r00t | yeah. i tested ram, changed ide cables, tested hdd, changed video cards... not sure what else to do at this pint |
| 19:40.33 | Shadowcat | actually, it is asking for trouble |
| 19:40.41 | epifanio | hi All |
| 19:40.49 | greycat | It's boldly seeking out trouble, in order to kill it. |
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| 19:41.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | not_r00t, was going to suggest memtest |
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| 19:41.13 | Shadowcat | greycat: as long you're not stupid enough to do it on a production machine |
| 19:41.20 | greycat | (Or because you're a loony nutter, which is the far more common reason.) |
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| 19:41.24 | not_r00t | debian always crashes under load, however puppy linux never gives me any problems. dunno what that could mean. i've been running debian for over a year |
| 19:41.42 | Shadowcat | reinstall the os |
| 19:41.54 | Shadowcat | I had a linux install that acted up after I upgraded an HD in the box |
| 19:42.04 | not_r00t | nope. reinstalled several times |
| 19:42.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a microsoft solution |
| 19:42.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | reboot! |
| 19:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | reinstall! |
| 19:42.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | buy a new machine! |
| 19:42.21 | greycat | pay more money! |
| 19:42.23 | not_r00t | ^^ $$$ |
| 19:42.24 | Shadowcat | CutMeOwnThroat: well, excuse me for not wanthing to sha1 every lib in the system |
| 19:42.27 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 19:42.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | correction - buy our new OS - ain't it shiny? |
| 19:42.38 | Shadowcat | installs WinVista on greycat |
| 19:42.38 | zmitya | hi all |
| 19:42.42 | Shadowcat | shush! |
| 19:43.22 | Suppermann | I think greycat just crashed |
| 19:43.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Shadowcat, actually, there's a tool for testing the integrity of the installed packages against what they should contain, I think... given enough time, I'll remember its name |
| 19:43.31 | Shadowcat | that was the point :P |
| 19:43.32 | greycat | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, all the new bugs have shiny error dialogs that say "something bad happened" but take 3 paragraphs to say that. |
| 19:43.36 | jpinx-eeepc | reboots greycat |
| 19:43.46 | epifanio | i'm tring to get the bluethout working, but hcitoll dev give me : http://rafb.net/p/ccJ6OO25.html no device found, please can you help me ? |
| 19:43.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, don't forget that they all end with "contact your system administrator to fix this" |
| 19:43.55 | zmitya | would somebody please tell me how can I move my bitlbee buddy list (including renames) to a new PC ? |
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| 19:44.16 | zmitya | where does bitlbee store the renamed buddy list ? |
| 19:44.19 | greycat | CutMeOwnThroat: no, they end with "click here for a hex dump of the registers" but nothing that's equivalent to a simple perror() |
| 19:44.24 | Shadowcat | "The system administrator is a complete moron. To solve your problems, buy a mac." |
| 19:44.34 | Shadowcat | should be the proper dialog |
| 19:44.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, whatever.... as long as it's not useful |
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| 19:45.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, ~/.bitlbee? ... how about checking through strace -f -F -e open bitlbee 2>&1 |grep /home/ |
| 19:45.44 | Shadowcat | actually I think people just get lost easier in the new Windows systems |
| 19:46.06 | Shadowcat | I mean microsoft intentionally hides stuff behind dozens of dialog boxes |
| 19:46.10 | Shadowcat | each one becomging smaller than the last |
| 19:46.22 | Shadowcat | trying to add long paths in Windows is a PITA for example |
| 19:46.37 | cahoot | and slightly OT? |
| 19:47.13 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: there is no ~/.bitlbee, but strace seems to be a good idea :) |
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| 19:48.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Shadowcat, of course, you yourself have to administer it... so you can only contact yourself... err... |
| 19:48.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | not_r00t, the most obvious difference would be the kernel (-version) |
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| 19:49.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | not_r00t, possibly it's one of debians kernel-patches, causing the trouble, so you could use the puppy-kernel on a debian system .... |
| 19:49.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | not_r00t, or of course some corruption of the file system - but if you reinstalled, that sounds kind of unlikely |
| 19:50.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | bluethout? |
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| 19:50.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, zmitya's already gone |
| 19:50.35 | greycat | Are both kernels seeing all of your RAM? Perhaps the working kernel is only seeing the first 1 GB of RAM, and you have a bad RAM chipset past that point. |
| 19:50.58 | not_r00t | i think i just need to try a different os |
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| 19:51.08 | not_r00t | my days with debian might be over |
| 19:51.13 | epifanio | i'm on a macbook pro 15'' 2,2 with 2.6.29-3.slh.1-sidux-amd64 |
| 19:51.31 | epifanio | any clue on how to get-up the bluethout device ? |
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| 19:52.23 | greycat | that doesn't sound like Debian to me... |
| 19:52.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | epifanio, don't use the init script for testing, remove the kernel modules yourself, check what messages dmesg ends with (or run dmesg -c as root to delete the dmesg buffer), load them and check what dmesg tells you |
| 19:52.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | oops, sidux |
| 19:52.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | next |
| 19:53.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 19:53.32 | gravity | epifanio: We don't support debian-based distros here. Ask in #sidux |
| 19:53.34 | gravity | Or whatever |
| 19:53.34 | epifanio | CutMeOwnThroat: can you tell me whats the first step i need to do ? |
| 19:53.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I got a question |
| 19:53.54 | greycat | ``Official sidux support channel on irc.oftc.net #sidux'' |
| 19:54.08 | epifanio | ok |
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| 19:54.32 | dustybin | does debian apache run in a chroot? |
| 19:54.40 | greycat | no |
| 19:54.45 | dustybin | why not?! |
| 19:54.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends on your question |
| 19:55.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's ambiguous :) |
| 19:55.08 | dustybin | im reading this |
| 19:55.09 | dustybin | http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1706 |
| 19:55.18 | greycat | "because it's not OpenBSD"? |
| 19:55.21 | gravity | iirc, that's trivial to set up |
| 19:55.25 | dustybin | 'The first step of securing the server is to prepare a chrooted environment for the Apache server with PHP module.' |
| 19:55.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | you CAN run it in a chroot, but by default it doesn't |
| 19:55.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | '... with all the problems that creates' |
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| 19:56.01 | greycat | I got nothing from "man httpd" and "man apache" so I stopped caring. |
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| 19:56.57 | HardDisk | fo shizzle |
| 19:57.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | lm-sensors stopped working on my laptop for the 2.6.26 pwmconfig reports "no sensors found" ... could it be support for intel ich6 has been dropped (I used to have lm-sensors working, iirc) |
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| 19:58.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't see any bug reports |
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| 20:01.02 | dustybin | do you guys recommend using apache mod security ? |
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| 20:02.02 | Nyha | Hi I have a question... I installed a system and now when I mount my external drive I can't read international chars... The folders don't show up in the terminal, in thunar or in firefox with "file:///" -browsing... |
| 20:02.07 | Nyha | what can I do? |
| 20:02.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, seems asking helped - finally found some useful-looking mail with googling |
| 20:03.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | moderately useful, the chap at least finds something |
| 20:03.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyha, LANG=<something>? |
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| 20:04.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didn't even say what filesystem the external drive has |
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| 20:05.25 | Suppermann | Hello. My sound suddenly stopped working an hour ago or so, and i really don't know why |
| 20:05.27 | Nyha | CutMeOwnThroat, $LANG give me bash: en_ZA.UTF-8: command not found |
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| 20:06.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 20:06.17 | wsxws | hi all |
| 20:06.26 | Suppermann | Hello |
| 20:06.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | echo $LANG gives you en_ZA.UTF-8 |
| 20:06.29 | wsxws | what is the usual chmod of /dev/null ? |
| 20:06.42 | wsxws | (ls -l /dev/null) |
| 20:07.07 | epsilon | crw-rw-rw- |
| 20:07.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | you use utf-8, but the external drive doesn't? |
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| 20:07.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !alsa checklist |
| 20:07.44 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 20:07.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Suppermann ^^^ |
| 20:07.56 | wsxws | i thought so too, the chmod of /dev/null on my system becomes changed to 600 from time to time. how to check whats causing this ? |
| 20:07.58 | lunartear | is there a way for me to specify a default interface for outbound connections software uses? |
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| 20:08.28 | greycat | lunartear: you mean on a per-process basis? |
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| 20:08.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | wsxws, difficult |
| 20:09.09 | lunartear | greycat, a global default for any applications to use eth0 instead of randomly choosing eth0:X or whatever |
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| 20:09.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | wsxws, all I can think of is 'fam' and I doubt that that will really help you |
| 20:09.51 | wsxws | like u can image, the change f the chmod of /dev/null causes prolems to the system. lots of porcesses, normaly using /dev/null, make errors or stop working |
| 20:10.04 | greycat | lunartear: it's not random. The routing table determines the path of outgoing packets. |
| 20:10.05 | wsxws | fam ? |
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| 20:10.19 | greycat | lunartear: see "route -n", "man route", etc. |
| 20:10.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-cache show fam"? |
| 20:10.30 | greycat | ("netstat -rn" being more traditional) |
| 20:10.54 | Suppermann | CutMeOwnThroat: great, so nr. 7 works (aplay Noise.wav). |
| 20:11.17 | lunartear | greycat, im having outbound issues where an MTA and a nagios plugin are using eth0:2, but I want them to use eth0 |
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| 20:11.42 | greycat | lunartear: so you want to override the routing table on a per-process basis? That will require advanced iptables hackery. |
| 20:11.58 | greycat | (advanced by the standards of #debian anyway) |
| 20:12.01 | lunartear | hmm |
| 20:12.23 | justin | lunartear: sounds like you want to add a static route for your mail server |
| 20:12.23 | enouf | lunartear: you may want to check/set that in /etc/iproute*/rt* or similar |
| 20:12.36 | wsxws | CutMeOwnThroat how to use fam ? |
| 20:12.52 | enouf | ~$ ll /etc/iproute2/ |
| 20:12.53 | enouf | ematch_map rt_dsfield rt_protos rt_realms rt_scopes rt_tables |
| 20:13.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | wsxws, it's not for users, it's for programs... as I said... I don't think it'll help you much |
| 20:13.12 | justin | wsxws: inotify can help with that |
| 20:13.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah! |
| 20:13.27 | keri | hi, i'm looking for some application proxy with ssl support for debian, maybe like delegate, anything? |
| 20:13.29 | enouf | wsxws: kill fam/famd and uninstall it, it's useless, and buggy |
| 20:13.34 | enouf | and hogs the CPU |
| 20:13.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | justin, I even heard of that, but I forgot :) |
| 20:13.41 | lunartear | enouf, no iproute2 here |
| 20:13.56 | enouf | judd: versions iproute2 |
| 20:13.57 | judd | enouf: iproute2 -- |
| 20:14.00 | enouf | judd: versions iproute |
| 20:14.00 | judd | enouf: iproute -- etch: 20061002-3 lenny: 20080725-2 sid: 20090324-1 squeeze: 20090324-1 |
| 20:14.13 | Suppermann | Can I get some help on fixing the sound that I can use? |
| 20:14.28 | Martin2 | Can someone help me with cryptsetup? I boot and want to auto-mount an encrypted partition with the rest of the filesystem. It boots the kernel and then asks me for password. I type it in and it says "key slot 0 unlocked" and then "cryptsetup: unknown fstype, bad pw or options?" |
| 20:15.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | justin, but it won't tell you which process did the change |
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| 20:15.18 | enouf | Martin2: dpkg-reconfigure cryptsetup ? |
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| 20:16.07 | zinx | hmm, anyone know if ia32-apt-get takes in to account the lib32 and such packages? |
| 20:16.14 | zinx | for dependencies |
| 20:16.22 | wsxws | enouf inotify can help me then ? or what would you suggest ? |
| 20:16.25 | enouf | Martin2: auto-assembling of mdadm and/or lvm devices are usually configured in their respective /etc/defaults/ files |
| 20:16.29 | zinx | or do you have to switch over completely to ia32-apt-get managed packages :/ |
| 20:16.32 | Martin2 | enouf: Where should I try to do this? |
| 20:16.35 | p4tr0p1 | anybody knows if there is a (trusty) way to see how much PCI slots are on a remote machine? |
| 20:16.42 | enouf | wsxws: inotify should be ok |
| 20:16.52 | enouf | wsxws: stay the F away from beagle |
| 20:17.33 | justin | wsxws: yeah.. inotify can tell you exactly when it changed, i dunno if it can tell you what changed it though |
| 20:17.36 | p4tr0p1 | I use lshw, but it's not sure always |
| 20:17.41 | enouf | Martin2: whose kernel? and which debian release? |
| 20:17.59 | enouf | p4tr0p1: dmidecode usually |
| 20:18.22 | enouf | p4tr0p1: even lshal perhaps .. but dmesg even |
| 20:18.43 | Suppermann | I get this error in Sound options: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument |
| 20:18.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | zinx, ia32 == x86 |
| 20:18.51 | zinx | CutMeOwnThroat: uhm, i'm aware of that |
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| 20:19.07 | Martin2 | enouf: Debian Lenny 5.0.1, kernel 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 20:19.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | zinx, I don't understand your question at all |
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| 20:19.32 | zinx | CutMeOwnThroat: then don't try to answer it |
| 20:19.34 | enouf | Martin2: you might have to tweak/update your initrd, man update-initramfs |
| 20:19.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | zinx, right... I was trying to help you clarify... but have fun |
| 20:20.18 | p4tr0p1 | enouf: I'm making some tests on a local machine, with 3 PCI Slots, and all that says that it has 5 PCI Slots =/ I can't trust on it for a remote machine, ever |
| 20:20.18 | enouf | Martin2: look in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/* for other documentation about each, besides their relevant man pages |
| 20:20.31 | Martin2 | Ok I do not understand completely, but thanks for the hint. |
| 20:20.55 | enouf | p4tr0p1: all i can tell you is /msg dpkg what's my hardware |
| 20:21.03 | zinx | CutMeOwnThroat: "ia32-apt-get" is a package in amd64 debian. it creates ia32 packages from the i386 debian that are installable on amd64 debian and use the 32-bit emulation in amd64 debian, like the lib32* packages in amd64 debian |
| 20:21.24 | Martin2 | enouf: I just got the problem that I cannot enter Debian itself, cause its encrypted except /boot |
| 20:21.27 | enouf | p4tr0p1: i trust nothing either ;-) but many times, some of those might be shared-with-ISA PnP slots |
| 20:21.29 | Nyha | CutMeOwnThroat, My external use what ever windows put there... :( |
| 20:21.43 | cahoot | <Suppermann> does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return anything? |
| 20:21.45 | enouf | p4tr0p1: maybe there's a PCMCIA slot as well - which is PCI |
| 20:21.48 | Suppermann | Strange. Now my sound works after tinkering... it worked before with the settings i had |
| 20:21.51 | Nyha | Can I somehow show it anyway? |
| 20:22.17 | enouf | zinx: installed ia32-libs yet? |
| 20:22.24 | Suppermann | cahoot, yes |
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| 20:22.43 | cahoot | nm |
| 20:22.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | zinx, heh, fun - I have that package - in the i386 repository |
| 20:23.09 | zinx | CutMeOwnThroat: haha |
| 20:23.36 | Suppermann | cahoot, In sound preferences i put all options to alsa mixer instead of autodetect and now it works... But why did it not work on autodetect? |
| 20:23.42 | enouf | Martin2: /msg dpkg rescue mode (follow the URLs provided) |
| 20:23.53 | zinx | enouf: yeah. and i want to know if i have to uninstall all the 32-bit stuff in the amd64 port so i can use the ia32 stuff via ia32-apt-get or not |
| 20:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | albeit only in unstable |
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| 20:24.12 | zinx | enouf: i have something that needs 32-bit libglew, which isn't in amd64 debian |
| 20:24.12 | flaps | http://www.saveie6.com/ :D |
| 20:24.24 | enouf | zinx: that wouldn't make much sense to me, but wtf do i know |
| 20:24.33 | stew | flaps: wrong channel |
| 20:24.48 | flaps | :( |
| 20:26.01 | zinx | blargh |
| 20:26.17 | zinx | it looks like ia32-apt-get doesn't handle the dependencies from amd64'd 32-bit stuff :( |
| 20:26.42 | enouf | zinx: ever hear of a chroot? |
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| 20:26.55 | zinx | enouf: ever hear of i don't want to f'n do that? |
| 20:27.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyha, what is it anyway, ntfs or fat? using vfat, ntfs or ntfs-3g? |
| 20:27.06 | enouf | zinx: you shouldn't need an ia32-apt-get |
| 20:27.15 | zinx | enouf: i would prefer an ia32-apt-get |
| 20:27.24 | enouf | zinx: as CutMeOwnThroat would say; have fun |
| 20:27.31 | enouf | siyonara |
| 20:27.32 | zinx | enouf: and i can make it work. |
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| 20:27.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would NEVER say such a thing! |
| 20:27.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 20:27.49 | enouf | zinx: it sucks ass though - smelly and hairy ass |
| 20:27.49 | Nyha | its NTFS and probobly with ntfs-3g |
| 20:27.51 | GimpMachine | hey, does anyone know anything about kdetv? |
| 20:27.56 | zinx | enouf: in your opinion, maybe |
| 20:28.16 | enouf | zinx: yes, and like an asshole - everybody has one |
| 20:28.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | try to do without it, though... |
| 20:28.49 | GimpMachine | ...my asshole smells like roses and sunflowers |
| 20:28.53 | GimpMachine | but thats not why I'm here |
| 20:28.59 | GimpMachine | I need help with kdetv |
| 20:29.21 | GimpMachine | was working fine with etch |
| 20:29.23 | enouf | kde* sucks smelly hairy sunflowered ass |
| 20:29.30 | p4tr0p1 | enouf: tks |
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| 20:29.39 | GimpMachine | upgraded to lenny and now i get no sound |
| 20:29.53 | GimpMachine | ehouf - take that crap to #gnome or somewhere |
| 20:29.59 | enouf | do /msg dpkg alsa checklist GimpMachine |
| 20:30.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyha, probably ain't good enough... make sure, read man mount.ntfs-3g (search for locale) |
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| 20:30.13 | GimpMachine | I did that earlier |
| 20:30.18 | enouf | GimpMachine: take your Love of DEs to Redmond |
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| 20:30.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyha, find out what locale is used on the drive, mount it with the correct locale and you're done |
| 20:30.37 | GimpMachine | redmond aint got nothing for me |
| 20:30.42 | Nyha | CutMeOwnThroat, I did a manual mount with ntfs-3g and now it works. |
| 20:30.50 | enouf | but you have something for them |
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| 20:31.03 | GimpMachine | a middle finger perhaps |
| 20:31.16 | enouf | no - a Bloated behemoth DE |
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| 20:31.23 | lunartear | enouf, do you have an example on the iproute2 thing? |
| 20:31.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyha, well, try to make sure it stays that way... |
| 20:31.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyha, manpage also directs you there http://ntfs-3g.org/support.html#locale |
| 20:31.47 | Nyha | Yes :) |
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| 20:32.42 | enouf | lunartear: not offhand no - and it might be a PITA, also - note; sysctl |
| 20:33.41 | enouf | lunartear: see man sysctl, /etc/sysctl.conf -- i use "alias sysctl='sysctl 2>/dev/null'" and run sysctl -a | grep <keyword> often |
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| 20:34.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I feel so much love in this roome |
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| 20:34.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/e$// |
| 20:35.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | zinx, I'd have played around a bit, but I had to remove my virtual machine with a amd64 system on it due to lack of space recently |
| 20:36.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | zinx, so I take everything back... perhaps your question was reasonably clear, I just didn't get it, staying with i386 for good reasons |
| 20:36.28 | zinx | CutMeOwnThroat: i need my system to be amd64 for development reasons :/ |
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| 20:36.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | (although perhaps not SO good reasons anymore, things start to work out on amd64... including support for running i386 stuff without a complete chroot) |
| 20:36.57 | zinx | CutMeOwnThroat: and i really don't want to deal with keeping two systems up-to-date and synced (nVidia), as with a chroot |
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| 20:38.16 | ranamalo | anyone know of a good howto for exim4? I just want to be able to send mail. nothing fancy. |
| 20:38.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm runnint non-freeish non-packaged i386 stuff... and I ain't gonna port it to amd64 myself, that much is sure (it might compile with a little help, as it runs at least on irix as well, but it's not worth the time to try) |
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| 20:38.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... |
| 20:39.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | !exim4 |
| 20:39.03 | dpkg | i heard exim4 is the default MTA in Debian since sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 20:39.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | "use debconf" |
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| 20:40.09 | ranamalo | CutMeOwnThroat: what just set debconf to high? |
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| 20:40.47 | o2T7 | If I include a doocbook-to-man comman within build-stam: into my rules file, at the pbuilder environment I get a command not found error. How should I proceed then? |
| 20:41.01 | ajavid | high = less options to configure, low = more options to configure |
| 20:41.07 | ajavid | ranamalo, ^ |
| 20:41.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ranamalo, I just mean that's what I get from that factoid... (admittedly, I didn't use debconf to set up the last mailserver I had to) |
| 20:41.29 | seniorake | i need to do some regular pattern matching, or simple string-match (a-z0-9.-) on some text in a file. any ideas how to accomplish this? the example is this: 'this here is some foo:bar text 123 xxx' ... now i need the word after 'foo:', in this case 'bar' - but only when there is a math for 123 |
| 20:41.34 | ajavid | thats how the proirity works, and critical is only critical things need be asked, everything assume default |
| 20:41.53 | seniorake | erm, a math - > a match |
| 20:42.16 | o2T7 | seniorake: perl -pi -e 's,foo:,foo:bar,g' file |
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| 20:42.30 | seniorake | oh, thank you. give me a second to try |
| 20:42.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ranamalo, did you have a look at the template//example configuration? I think it's mostly self-explanatory due to the huge amount of comments in there |
| 20:42.59 | seniorake | btw., how could i seperate this? e.g. when the string occurs 100 times in the file i need the part right to foo: everytime |
| 20:43.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | eww |
| 20:43.15 | o2T7 | oh, seniorake, i misunderstood your question |
| 20:43.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | perl instead of sed? |
| 20:43.19 | seniorake | meaning that "bar" or whatever would be returned 100 times |
| 20:43.31 | o2T7 | I thought that you wanted to replace |
| 20:43.32 | ranamalo | CutMeOwnThroat: where is the example? |
| 20:43.41 | seniorake | no, just the text right to foo: |
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| 20:44.29 | o2T7 | cat file | grep foo | sed 's/foo:\([a-zA-Z\).*/1/' |
| 20:44.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I have a /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template? (and probably debconf uses that for a real configuration file?) did you try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config yet? |
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| 20:44.58 | o2T7 | replace [a-zA-Z] with you pattern |
| 20:45.00 | seniorake | the problem is that "foo: bar" occurs within one line |
| 20:45.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't match 123, though |
| 20:45.06 | seniorake | but 123 can be elsewhere below it |
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| 20:45.16 | seniorake | otherwise i'd know how to solve this on my own |
| 20:45.19 | o2T7 | cat file | grep foo | sed 's/^.*foo:\([a-zA-Z\).*$/1/' |
| 20:45.20 | seniorake | so an example is again: |
| 20:45.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you forgot a "\" there |
| 20:45.40 | seniorake | foo: bar whatever 123 \n\n\n foo: bar1 whatever 123 \n\n\n foo: bar2 whatever 123 \n\n\n |
| 20:45.47 | o2T7 | and a ] too |
| 20:45.48 | seniorake | i'd need bar, bar1 and bar2 as reslut |
| 20:46.10 | seniorake | i'm sorry the example was wrong, once again :/ |
| 20:46.12 | cXYZ | Would this be an appropriate place to ask about kernel compilation on a debian system? |
| 20:46.19 | o2T7 | cat file | grep foo | sed 's/^.*foo:\(bar[0-9]\).*$/1/' |
| 20:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | what now? |
| 20:46.26 | seniorake | foo: bar whatever \n\n what_ever \n\ 123 \n\n\n foo: bar1 whatever \n\n what_ever \n\ 123 \n\n\n foo: bar2 whatever \n\n what_ever \n\ 123 \n\n\n |
| 20:46.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | foo:bar or foo: bar? |
| 20:46.29 | seniorake | like this, sorry |
| 20:46.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | your examples change from line to line |
| 20:46.49 | seniorake | "foo: bar\r\n" |
| 20:46.54 | seniorake | is the exact pattern |
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| 20:47.14 | seniorake | yes i gave wrong examples, i'm sorry, my fault |
| 20:47.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | awk /^foo:.*123/'{print $2}' would do if that is the EXACT pattern |
| 20:47.21 | o2T7 | cat file | grep foo | sed 's/^.*foo: \(bar\r\n\).*$/1/g' |
| 20:47.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 20:47.47 | Tramp | cat | grep .... brrr. and sed knows addresses |
| 20:48.00 | Tramp | (1) uuoc (2) uuog |
| 20:48.06 | o2T7 | If I include a doocbook-to-man comman within build-stam: into my rules file, at the pbuilder environment I get a command not found error. |
| 20:48.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | make that '/^foo:.*123/{print $2}' to be on the safe side |
| 20:48.11 | o2T7 | Tramp: sure, sorry |
| 20:48.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, hehe, it WAS grating on my eyes, but I managed to keem shut |
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| 20:48.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/keem/keep/ |
| 20:48.46 | Tramp | yeah. I usually don't look at the screen when irc'ing. |
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| 20:49.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's safer :) |
| 20:49.09 | Tramp | keeps you sane. |
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| 20:49.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | "HAHAHA, INSANE, THEY SAID I WAS INSANE, HAHAHAHAH" |
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| 20:50.39 | seniorake | hm, how do i use a pipe for this? e.g. cat file > awk '/^foo:.*123/{print $2}' doesn't appear to work (or i've got something wrong) |
| 20:50.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | awk '/^foo:.*123/{print $2}' yourfile |
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| 20:51.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you just made a file called awk |
| 20:51.50 | seniorake | and what if it is the output of an application? e.g. myprogram? is the syntax then myprogram > awk .. ? |
| 20:51.52 | greycat | I hope he wasn't testing as root in /usr/bin |
| 20:52.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 20:52.03 | enouf | heh |
| 20:52.04 | greycat | seniorake: you are looking for | |
| 20:52.12 | greycat | seniorake: myprogram | awk |
| 20:52.13 | seniorake | ah, sure yes thanks |
| 20:52.18 | enouf | pipes someone |
| 20:52.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | but all he wanted to do with that was cat | |
| 20:52.40 | enouf | !uuoc |
| 20:52.40 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 20:52.50 | ajavid | enouf, go away |
| 20:52.59 | enouf | ajavid: nevAr! |
| 20:53.01 | ajavid | relax |
| 20:53.12 | ajavid | take a load off |
| 20:53.17 | enouf | i'm very relaxed, you got a fucken problem with that?! |
| 20:53.25 | greycat | ajavid is a fuckin' problem. |
| 20:53.31 | ajavid | nah |
| 20:53.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, cat * | something is useful |
| 20:53.39 | enouf | concurs .. |
| 20:53.45 | tec_ | gute nacht ;) |
| 20:53.52 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: 95% not |
| 20:53.57 | ajavid | :( |
| 20:54.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | cat * | grep bla |
| 20:54.26 | greycat | most of the time, though, you want grep bla * |
| 20:54.31 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: that falls intoi 95 percentile |
| 20:54.36 | greycat | so you can tell which file contains the bla |
| 20:54.37 | sshc | hi. I recently did an apt-get update and now I can't run any GUI apps. They always fail with "No protocol specified" |
| 20:54.48 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: cat * > new-combined-file .. maybe |
| 20:54.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | it depends on what you want |
| 20:54.51 | o2T7 | If I include a doocbook-to-man command in build-stamp into my rules file (as commented in the example rules file), at the pbuilder environment I get a 'command not found' error. At which stage of the packaging process should I generate the $package.1 file? |
| 20:54.58 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: man split ;-) |
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| 20:54.59 | ajavid | enouf, nothin to worry about then> |
| 20:55.00 | ajavid | ? |
| 20:55.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is different from grep bla *, so it's useful |
| 20:55.14 | enouf | ajavid: much - i'm distracting myself |
| 20:55.17 | enouf | ajavid: go away |
| 20:55.22 | ajavid | ahhh, thats what that is |
| 20:55.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | (there's surely also a grep option to do it, but why bother) |
| 20:58.03 | ajavid | enouf, just don't kill anyone! |
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| 20:58.26 | yeretik | Iḿ trying to make work a ntp servers to keep my network synchronized with the world... I was installed the ntp, the start log is http://pastebin.ca/1419674 (apparently starts and synchronize itself okay) but when i try to make an "rdate -s my.ntp.server" from other PC, it response me "rdate: Could not connect socket: Connection refused"... Note, i have all my firewalls down... Some suggestion ? |
| 20:58.26 | rastafreund | whos killing? |
| 20:58.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | sshc googled that? |
| 20:58.44 | greycat | yeretik: ntpdate and rdate use totally different protocols |
| 20:59.06 | greycat | yeretik: if your own ntpd has gotten in sync (stratum < 10) then you can use "ntpdate yourfirstPC" from the second one. |
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| 21:00.11 | yeretik | Is got stratum 1 |
| 21:00.43 | enouf | !ntpdate |
| 21:00.44 | dpkg | it has been said that ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp. |
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| 21:02.21 | GimpMachine | !kdetv |
| 21:02.44 | GimpMachine | !kdetv -enable enound |
| 21:02.57 | yeretik | Then, the conclussion is that ntp is just for synchro my PC and ntpdate works as a server to other PCs? Am i ok? |
| 21:03.13 | enouf | GimpMachine: if you've discovered a working solution; perhpas a factoid can be made |
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| 21:03.25 | GimpMachine | no, i wish |
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| 21:03.39 | enouf | !listvals kdetv |
| 21:03.40 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'kdetv' by value returned no results. |
| 21:03.53 | enouf | GimpMachine: dpkg knows nothing about kdetv |
| 21:04.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | sshc, seems a weird error message for a simple permission problem |
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| 21:04.11 | GimpMachine | sound works with outer TV applications, other programs just fine... |
| 21:04.14 | enouf | (thank goodness) |
| 21:04.20 | GimpMachine | just not with kdetv |
| 21:04.22 | enouf | outer? |
| 21:04.30 | enouf | has an inny |
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| 21:04.35 | GimpMachine | **other |
| 21:05.05 | GimpMachine | and it worked with kdetv in etch |
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| 21:05.09 | enouf | find #debian-kde channels and mailing lists perhaps |
| 21:05.16 | GimpMachine | upgrade to lenny and no sound |
| 21:05.22 | GimpMachine | #debian-kde |
| 21:05.34 | GimpMachine | k, thanks |
| 21:05.37 | yeretik | So how do i proceed to make the rest of my network PCs synchronize on my ntp installed? |
| 21:05.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | GimpMachine, tried running aoss kdetv? |
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| 21:05.48 | enouf | which versions? kde 3.x.BLOATED-CRAPWARE ... of kde4-tewworwist |
| 21:05.50 | wonderwal | mysql wont start, where does it log to on debian/ |
| 21:06.10 | Peanut | yeretik: ntp is both server and client at the same time. You control whether it is client, server, or both at the same time, through its configuration file. |
| 21:06.17 | enouf | wonderwal: where are most log files? |
| 21:06.26 | wonderwal | enouf: /log/var |
| 21:06.27 | GimpMachine | 3.5 |
| 21:06.33 | enouf | wonderwal: inverse |
| 21:06.37 | wonderwal | enouf: joke |
| 21:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not a valid answer! |
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| 21:07.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, at least not to my question |
| 21:07.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions kdetv |
| 21:07.24 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: kdetv -- etch: 0.8.9-1 lenny: 0.8.9-1 sid: 0.8.9-1 squeeze: 0.8.9-1 |
| 21:07.44 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: that tells us nothing about 3 vs 4 crap |
| 21:07.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | not much development going on there |
| 21:07.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | it DOES tell us it's not a new bug in kdetv, though |
| 21:08.05 | enouf | GimpMachine: ajavid is your man |
| 21:08.06 | yeretik | Peanut, So i don't need to install ntpdate? My ntp.conf is in http://pastebin.ca/1419693 |
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| 21:08.47 | Peanut | What's different in that configuration from the default, yeretik ? |
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| 21:09.19 | yeretik | Sorry |
| 21:09.32 | yeretik | I was sent you dthe default |
| 21:09.34 | yeretik | Wait |
| 21:09.52 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: unless ... kde hasn't kept up with alsa dev |
| 21:09.58 | enouf | or similar |
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| 21:10.19 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: as you know 2.6.18 -> 2.6.26 == major changes |
| 21:10.36 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: works in Etch means nothing .. |
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| 21:11.29 | yeretik | Peanut, http://pastebin.ca/1419700 <---- Is this |
| 21:12.37 | wonderwal | sucks that the debian my.cnf config file doesnt ship with some innodb settings |
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| 21:13.47 | simonrvn | not hard to set up, and it does have some basic things |
| 21:14.05 | Peanut | Seems fine at first glance, what's wrong with it? |
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| 21:14.54 | ajavid | hi |
| 21:15.04 | ajavid | how do you dump a directory structure of a directory |
| 21:15.14 | enouf | wut? |
| 21:15.22 | simonrvn | ajavid: man ls |
| 21:15.24 | ajavid | ls with recurse |
| 21:15.30 | enouf | ls -R |
| 21:15.32 | yeretik | Peanut, the problem is when i try to synchronize another pc with him... Using rdate -s my.ntp.server |
| 21:15.36 | ajavid | seriously? |
| 21:15.58 | simonrvn | srsly |
| 21:16.00 | ajavid | oh -R, not -r |
| 21:16.05 | ajavid | that what was tripping me up |
| 21:16.06 | Peanut | yeretik: Don't use rdate, try 'ntpdate -q <server>' |
| 21:16.10 | ajavid | thanks man |
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| 21:16.19 | ajavid | weird |
| 21:16.48 | enouf | there's some tree* util that'll create the dir/subdir structure without contents |
| 21:16.51 | simonrvn | what do you think those ls-lR files are made from? ;) |
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| 21:17.10 | enouf | simonrvn: it ain't buckwheat! |
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| 21:17.19 | simonrvn | sure isn't |
| 21:17.20 | Doctor_Nick | hey, I'm having a problem with mdadm |
| 21:17.34 | enouf | why? |
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| 21:18.17 | Doctor_Nick | I added another disk to my raid 5 array, and I added the drive with mdadm then ran grow, but the reshaping is running very, very slowly |
| 21:18.24 | yeretik | Peanut, "ntpdate[13684]: no server suitable for synchronization found" |
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| 21:18.30 | henhir | I keep getting ./libSDL-1.2.so.0 => not found although it is installed. |
| 21:18.36 | Doctor_Nick | reshape = 0.2% (2380928/966992448) finish=10871.6min speed=1477K/sec |
| 21:19.06 | simonrvn | you using the drives? |
| 21:19.29 | Doctor_Nick | the drives are online, but I'm not running or streaming anything |
| 21:19.34 | enouf | Doctor_Nick: /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* |
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| 21:20.25 | enouf | Doctor_Nick: what BUS are they connected through? 1.5M/sec soundslike my p2 optical drive speed |
| 21:20.32 | Doctor_Nick | sata |
| 21:20.41 | enouf | ahci? |
| 21:20.48 | enouf | Doctor_Nick: /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* |
| 21:20.53 | seniorake | CutMeOwnThroat: I still can't get it running the way i want :/ |
| 21:21.50 | Doctor_Nick | i dont know what that means |
| 21:21.53 | o2T7 | yeretik: You can use one of your syslog entries (if they exist) to obtain a valid ntp server (i.e. grep 'now valid' /var/log/syslog) |
| 21:21.55 | seniorake | i've got an example here: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1419717 |
| 21:22.13 | o2T7 | then you can use `ntpdate server.ip.address` |
| 21:22.31 | seniorake | this is the file, containing several parts of the text in question. now everytime there is a "123\r\n" i need the text "bar" which is 6 lines above |
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| 21:23.06 | o2T7 | Oh, he's gone |
| 21:23.06 | seniorake | i tried several variations with the given example using awk, but none worked out |
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| 21:24.25 | seniorake | any ideas? i think i could not match the text between "some other text" and "<end> Some other text" |
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| 21:25.28 | davidfetter | hello |
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| 21:25.47 | davidfetter | i'm looking for bonnie++ 1.95 for lenny. where should i be looking? |
| 21:26.09 | sharp15 | anyone here familiar with the lenny ejabberd package? i tried to start the server with the init script but it fails out after printing a large number of '.' |
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| 21:26.41 | Doctor_Nick | enouf: none of those files help |
| 21:27.25 | minerale | this may sound like a stupid question... but how do I download an updated kernel for debian? (my instalation is running under xen and the kernel is just a vmlinux file sitting outside the image) |
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| 21:29.52 | Doctor_Nick | enouf: none of the literature for my motherboard mentions ahci |
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| 21:30.04 | Doctor_Nick | it says it supports SATA II but thats it |
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| 21:30.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | seniorake, because that's not like the example you showed |
| 21:30.41 | o2T7 | minerale: apt-get ? |
| 21:30.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... you have literal \r\n in the file? |
| 21:30.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | and yes, that's hard to match |
| 21:31.14 | davidfetter | anybody? |
| 21:31.17 | o2T7 | \\r |
| 21:31.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions bonnie++ |
| 21:31.32 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: bonnie++ -- etch: 1.03a+b1 lenny: 1.03d sid: 1.03e squeeze: 1.03e |
| 21:31.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions bonnie |
| 21:31.41 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: bonnie -- |
| 21:31.59 | seniorake | hm i think it is somehow, sorry if i caused that much trouble :/ it's hard for me as well to give a good example here |
| 21:32.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about a part of the real file... |
| 21:32.25 | minerale | o2t7: I don't see any kernels listed when I do: apt-cache search kernel-image- --names-only |
| 21:32.30 | minerale | I don't see anything at all |
| 21:32.36 | davidfetter | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks |
| 21:32.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | seniorake, you probably want perl for that |
| 21:32.43 | seniorake | yes, juust take \\r\\n or simly '123' |
| 21:33.44 | worr | minerale: try linux-image |
| 21:33.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | seniorake, but I don't see the point - if all entries have 123 at that place, just search for "^ *foo" and extract the bar |
| 21:34.12 | minerale | worr: ah great, which one is the latest? 2.6.26 ? |
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| 21:34.38 | seniorake | well whatevery i tried returned no result |
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| 21:34.42 | seniorake | with your awk-example |
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| 21:34.45 | worr | for lenny, I think it is |
| 21:35.15 | seniorake | damn, i've got lots of typos tonight :> |
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| 21:35.59 | worr | minerale: also for squeeze |
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| 21:40.21 | enouf | Doctor_Nick: zless /path/to/file.gz |
| 21:40.25 | nick_h[litage] | how do you check if an installed package's dependencies are satisfied? |
| 21:40.50 | enouf | Doctor_Nick: i doubt sataII doesn't use ahci .. unless they loathe Intel |
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| 21:41.03 | Doctor_Nick | no, this is using the intel chipset |
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| 21:41.37 | enouf | nick_h[litage]: dpkg -l $(apt-cache depend pkgname) |
| 21:41.46 | enouf | depends |
| 21:42.03 | enouf | Doctor_Nick: then something is really incorrect in your BIOS |
| 21:42.19 | enouf | Doctor_Nick: enable RAID mode if AHCI is not there |
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| 21:42.57 | Doctor_Nick | enouf: well, rebuilding the array only took around 3 hours the few times i've had to do it |
| 21:43.33 | enouf | Doctor_Nick: to speed up a scan/reassemble, those docs sure do mention the file to tweak for speedup |
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| 21:43.34 | Doctor_Nick | and its in the middle of reshaping right now, and apparently it didnt create a backup file like I told it to, so I'd rather not stop it now |
| 21:43.43 | enouf | er rebuild* Doctor_Nick |
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| 21:44.25 | Doctor_Nick | it said that it created the backup file and it passed the critical section, but the backup file doesnt exist |
| 21:44.29 | enouf | it's some /sys/class/scsi_host/host*/.../ |
| 21:45.00 | nick_h[litage] | i have the Etch backport of libruby1.8 installed, which depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6). i have libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 installed. is libruby1.8's dependency satisfied? |
| 21:45.53 | Doctor_Nick | I was worried that it might be a bad drive, but I checked my messages and there doesnt seem to be any IO errors |
| 21:46.32 | enouf | Doctor_Nick: other relevant files are /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf , /etc/default/mdadm, ... |
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| 21:46.41 | enouf | cat /proc/mdstat |
| 21:46.41 | Doctor_Nick | ok |
| 21:46.59 | Doctor_Nick | reshape = 0.4% (4652672/966992448) finish=11867.4min speed=1349K/sec |
| 21:47.06 | enouf | oh .. and /etc/cron*/mdadm |
| 21:47.11 | Doctor_Nick | ok |
| 21:47.12 | \amethyst | nick_h[litage]: dpkg --compare-versions 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 '>=' 2.3.6-6 && echo satisfied |
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| 21:47.50 | nick_h[litage] | \amethyst: awesome. thanks |
| 21:48.10 | enouf | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 580 2007-10-01 11:26 /etc/cron.d/mdadm |
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| 21:48.43 | enouf | but that's generally a monthly scan/rebuild setting, IINM |
| 21:48.50 | Doctor_Nick | yeah |
| 21:49.19 | enouf | never heard of "reshape" |
| 21:49.35 | Doctor_Nick | I'm growing the array from 3 disks to 4 |
| 21:49.46 | enouf | raid5? |
| 21:49.50 | Doctor_Nick | yes |
| 21:50.02 | Doctor_Nick | it was 2 tb before, it'll be 3tb after this |
| 21:50.18 | enouf | seen http://scotgate.org/2006/07/03/growing-a-raid5-array-mdadm/ |
| 21:50.46 | enouf | Doctor_Nick: are those seagate or hitachi? |
| 21:51.22 | Doctor_Nick | i saw that, yes |
| 21:51.22 | Doctor_Nick | no, they're samsung |
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| 21:51.22 | enouf | ok |
| 21:51.22 | enouf | that's a lot of data space ... |
| 21:51.23 | Doctor_Nick | http://pastebin.ca/1419761 |
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| 21:51.31 | enouf | is it encrypted? or LVm on top? |
| 21:51.36 | Doctor_Nick | LVM on top |
| 21:51.48 | enouf | that's likely why then, IME |
| 21:51.57 | enouf | er Estimation |
| 21:52.39 | enouf | metadata intertwined with other metadata :-P |
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| 21:54.21 | Doctor_Nick | enouf: then why weren't my rebuilds this slow? |
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| 21:55.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | seniorake, perl -e 'while(<>){if(/^ *foo: *([^ ]*)/){$temp=$1} if (/^ *123/){print $temp}}' <yourfile |
| 21:55.55 | earthian | what is the "right" way to upgrade from etch to lenny? |
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| 21:56.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | seniorake, of course not, my example was for 123 on the same line, like in the lines you showed previously |
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| 21:57.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, etch->lenny |
| 21:57.04 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 21:57.34 | earthian | thanks! |
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| 21:59.27 | sneezewort | Is there an incompatibility between Debain and redhat when it comes to keypairs? |
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| 21:59.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | nick_h[litage], actually just aptitude -f install should tell you (and try to fix it) ... |
| 22:00.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | keypairs? |
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| 22:00.44 | sneezewort | ssh keys. |
| 22:01.25 | sneezewort | When I setup keypairs to a debian machine it works, but when I follow the same steps on a redhat machine it fails the key login and skips to password auth. |
| 22:01.26 | nick_h[litage] | i'm trying to install an Etch backport. however, aptitude's saying that a lot of packages will be held back. is that okay/safe?: http://codepad.org/eanzIEWn |
| 22:01.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean if an ssh client on Debian/Redhat can connect to an ssh server on Redhat/Debian? |
| 22:02.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, never had any problems with solaris, irix, whatever |
| 22:02.20 | sneezewort | I can connect using password auth, but key based auth fails. |
| 22:02.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see |
| 22:02.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | filenames might be different |
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| 22:03.21 | simonrvn | ssh -vvv foo@bar.tld |
| 22:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | nick_h[litage], 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 110 not upgraded. |
| 22:03.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not gonna do anything! |
| 22:03.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... I'd call total inactivity "safe" |
| 22:03.54 | nick_h[litage] | CutMeOwnThroat: right. that's because i used -s to simulate the install |
| 22:04.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions grub |
| 22:04.26 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: grub -- etch: 0.97-27etch1 lenny: 0.97-47lenny2 sid: 0.97-53 squeeze: 0.97-53 |
| 22:04.39 | nick_h[litage] | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm wondering if it's "safe" to remove the -s , and thus actually install the package |
| 22:04.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | nick_h[litage], this ain't surprising, you're not doing an upgrade |
| 22:04.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | but looks to me those 110 packages are pre-etch |
| 22:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | or possibly custom compiled and of the same version |
| 22:05.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh, etch4? |
| 22:05.45 | nick_h[litage] | CutMeOwnThroat: does it just mean that all of those packages won't be upgraded to Etch backport versions? |
| 22:05.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libsnmp-base |
| 22:05.46 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libsnmp-base -- etch: 5.2.3-7etch4 etch-security: 5.2.3-7etch4 sid: 5.4.1~dfsg-11 lenny: 5.4.1~dfsg-12 sid: 5.4.1~dfsg-12 squeeze: 5.4.1~dfsg-12 |
| 22:06.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | nick_h[litage], I read it as "those packages won't be upgraded to etch, as you requested a single install |
| 22:06.24 | nick_h[litage] | ah right |
| 22:06.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | the two I looked up are pre-(current-etch) |
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| 22:07.03 | nick_h[litage] | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, makes sense. thanks for your help, mate |
| 22:07.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions php5-common |
| 22:07.04 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: php5-common -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch15 lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 squeeze: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3 sid: 5.2.9.dfsg.1-2 |
| 22:07.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | and they all upgrade to what you find in etch right now |
| 22:07.41 | nick_h[litage] | yup. i just looked up a couple of them |
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| 22:09.05 | jair | I am using debian lenny and as you all know the xorg.conf file now is configured very limited I am trying to create my own configuration using the man pages of "man xorg.conf" but still far from getting the results any suggestions :( |
| 22:09.39 | jair | not even dpkg can reconfigure x now :( |
| 22:10.08 | jair | I think is more manual customization to get the results you want... |
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| 22:10.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | jair, xorg doesn't need a configuration file anymore, that's why |
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| 22:10.49 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: interesting, but I can not get my machine to show the 1024x768 which I know is supported. |
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| 22:10.58 | jair | I get 800x600 :( |
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| 22:11.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
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| 22:15.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | jair, apt-cache show xresprobe |
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| 22:16.18 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you let me try that |
| 22:16.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | jair, also, there's /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/examples/xorg.conf , but not on my current system |
| 22:17.09 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: I may have some examples on my lenny server |
| 22:17.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm running lenny |
| 22:17.33 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: ok |
| 22:18.54 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: it looks like I can install that http://paste.debian.net/35886/ |
| 22:19.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also dexconf |
| 22:19.44 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: but I know that the 1024x768 is supported on my system because etch was running on it before |
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| 22:20.03 | jair | so I will not install those packages I will check the example configurations |
| 22:20.05 | jaggz | what's a good way I can instant message with my wife on our LAN? |
| 22:20.14 | jaggz | is there a good jabber client? |
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| 22:20.40 | jaggz | preferably something which can pop up a little floating non-invasive box .. like near the icon tray or something. I'm in linux, she's in XP |
| 22:20.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | jair, apt-cache show shows you the description of a package |
| 22:20.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesn't DO anything |
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| 22:21.06 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: I know I read about the package |
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| 22:21.22 | hawken | Hello |
| 22:21.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you pastebin-ed that output |
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| 22:21.38 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: and will let me see the resolution my system will support so not really needed for me at this point |
| 22:21.51 | jair | hahahah |
| 22:21.54 | jair | yes sorry |
| 22:22.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, perhaps you want videogen |
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| 22:24.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | also see if xrandr offers you some higher resolution |
| 22:24.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you're just running in vga/vesa mode or something |
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| 22:26.18 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: but where can I find the information about the video driver my linux system is using? |
| 22:26.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | in xorg.conf |
| 22:26.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
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| 22:26.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.55 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: here is my video card => 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL (rev 27) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 22:27.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I got (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so |
| 22:28.03 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: this is my xorg.conf http://paste.debian.net/35885 |
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| 22:28.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't have modelines and no driver |
| 22:28.35 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: if I had an nvidia card I will be using the native driversI guess |
| 22:28.41 | jair | right |
| 22:28.48 | jair | let me check the man page for it |
| 22:28.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | sudo? |
| 22:29.05 | jair | nope I am su - and becoming root |
| 22:29.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, in that file # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
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| 22:29.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh, I have that too |
| 22:29.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | how weird |
| 22:30.10 | jair | hahaha |
| 22:30.25 | Lewis__ | Why aptitude and apt-get can not work together? |
| 22:30.28 | jair | well I guess I will need to build the file with the man pages until it works |
| 22:30.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | (sudo is not installed by default in Debian, so it's lame advice to have that in any conf-file |
| 22:30.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | ) |
| 22:31.00 | jair | I completely agreed with you and I do not want to have sudo by default either |
| 22:31.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | jair, http://pastebin.com/fc68e776 that's mine (pre-lenny, still works) |
| 22:31.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course you need ati instead of nvidia |
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| 22:32.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, perhaps it's not pre-lenny |
| 22:32.44 | jair | it looks like etch |
| 22:32.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, should be - Sept 2008 |
| 22:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and nvidia-xconfig made it |
| 22:33.25 | jair | right I do not think that ATI is doing native drivers for linux |
| 22:33.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you mainly want the HorizSync and VertRefresh (check in log what is detected and compare with the specs of your monitor) |
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| 22:34.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, there's good drivers for ati |
| 22:34.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends on what card exactly what you need |
| 22:34.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ati |
| 22:34.19 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. |
| 22:34.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:36.34 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: ok let me check: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL (rev 27) |
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| 22:37.02 | Knirch | where do I look up why a specific package was removed from sid? (madwifi) |
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| 22:37.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | jair, look in Xorg.0.log what Xorg thinks you have... |
| 22:37.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 22:37.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps |
| 22:37.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why is madwifi not in testing |
| 22:37.59 | dpkg | madwifi is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=madwifi |
| 22:38.04 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: you are recommending me to install the ati driver to the debian lenny and then should I reconfigure the xorg.conf with the lines specifying the ati driver? |
| 22:38.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it should be installed |
| 22:38.18 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: ok |
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| 22:39.07 | \amethyst | that just says it's not in testing because it doesn't exist :) |
| 22:39.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -l xserver-xorg\* |egrep -i 'ati|rade|fglr' |
| 22:39.09 | dpkg | ii xserver-xorg\* |egrep -i 'ati|rade|fglr' 1.3-5.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 22:39.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, now shaddup! |
| 22:39.22 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: wish i knew |
| 22:39.25 | Knirch | headdessk, politics. |
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| 22:39.32 | \amethyst | Knirch: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/madwifi.html follow the 'Removed 1:0.9.4+blah from unstable' link under news |
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| 22:40.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, I think he already found it :) |
| 22:40.24 | Knirch | \amethyst: mmm, just found the bug which asked for it to be removed. now for the joys of trying to shoehorn it back in, or be stuck at 11M |
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| 22:40.46 | famicom | eh |
| 22:40.59 | famicom | whats the max amount of UIDS that you can add to debian |
| 22:41.05 | famicom | kernel supports 4 billion |
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| 22:41.52 | famicom | but adduser chokes around 2 billion |
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| 22:42.20 | azeem | famicom: whatÃ's the error message? |
| 22:43.19 | famicom | lemme find it |
| 22:43.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Knirch, it's madwifi-source anyway, no? So should be ok to use etch/lenny packages |
| 22:44.25 | famicom | adduser --uid 2999999999 --disabled-password uidtest |
| 22:44.25 | famicom | Adding user `uidtest' ... |
| 22:44.25 | famicom | Adding new group `uidtest' (-1294967297) ... |
| 22:44.25 | famicom | groupadd: invalid numeric argument '2999999999' |
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| 22:44.30 | Knirch | CutMeOwnThroat: haven't looked up why yet, but won't compile against debian kernel 2.6.29 |
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| 22:44.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Knirch, and if upstream is dead that means it's not getting out-of-date |
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| 22:44.39 | famicom | damn |
| 22:44.41 | famicom | wrong message |
| 22:45.18 | famicom | http://paste.debian.net/35888/ |
| 22:45.20 | famicom | there we go |
| 22:45.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Knirch, well... that's probably one of the reasons why they dropped it... if upstream doesn't keep it running against recent kernels, it's all for the maintainer to do |
| 22:45.33 | Knirch | CutMeOwnThroat: upstream concentrates on ath5k driver, which is good, however, ath5k doesn't work properly with speeds above 18M |
| 22:45.40 | azeem | famicom: so check the adduser source code |
| 22:46.03 | famicom | yeah |
| 22:46.04 | Tramp | Knirch: if you find a way to get "somethink like madwifi 0.9.4" compiled against 2.6.29 - tell me. |
| 22:46.17 | famicom | but which fucktard picked a too small datatype |
| 22:46.21 | Knirch | so as a end user (who's silly enough to be on sid) the end result is halved bandwidth :) |
| 22:46.23 | famicom | thats such a classic mistake |
| 22:46.40 | azeem | famicom: send a patch |
| 22:46.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Knirch, you don't NEED to run 2.6.29 on sid |
| 22:47.46 | \amethyst | famicom: looks like a bug in the passwd package: it parses numbers with a function that returns a long |
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| 22:48.45 | famicom | am i really the first person to ever consider feeding it bigger (yet valid) uid numbers |
| 22:49.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | famicom, perhaps, with 6.7 billion earth population, nobody ever supposed a seizable fraction of those would all use the same computer |
| 22:49.30 | \amethyst | you might be the first Debian user to try more than 2 billion UIDs :) |
| 22:49.32 | azeem | famicom: probably |
| 22:49.41 | azeem | famicom: smart people use LDAP for more than a million users |
| 22:50.05 | famicom | shudders |
| 22:50.06 | Knirch | CutMeOwnThroat: very true, I'm not complaining, I only reacted on the arguments :) I am on sid by choice, I'm actually more amazed that things don't break for me more often :) |
| 22:50.11 | famicom | LDAP blows |
| 22:50.17 | dokin | I'm using OpenOffice Calc and I have one column with all book titles from a collection and one column with all urls to them. Anyone know how I put the list of all books I have in the third column so they match up with the first column and the rows with books I don't have is empty? |
| 22:50.18 | \amethyst | or NIS or something |
| 22:50.24 | famicom | NIS is outdated |
| 22:50.27 | \amethyst | you don't put a million users in /etc/passwd :) |
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| 22:50.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, we're talking billions here, not millions |
| 22:51.00 | famicom | yeah |
| 22:51.15 | famicom | but kernel says 4 billion, so userland tools should support 4 billion |
| 22:51.22 | azeem | so file a bug, d'oh |
| 22:51.24 | \amethyst | so file a bug on passwd |
| 22:51.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I agree, though - probably it gets rather unusable with a couple of millions |
| 22:51.32 | \amethyst | or fix it, even :) |
| 22:51.42 | famicom | yeah |
| 22:51.46 | famicom | patching it right now |
| 22:51.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | amazing why nobody fixed this important issue yet :-P |
| 22:52.05 | azeem | famicom: I'm sure the chinese government will want your patch once they migrated all of their citizens to their single Linux installation |
| 22:52.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 22:52.22 | Knirch | famicom: I'm curious, how on earth did you come across this issue? |
| 22:52.27 | dokin | If no one knows the answer to that then how can I move one row, and every row below it, one step down? (Without selecting every row, that's a lot of work) |
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| 22:52.46 | famicom | Knirch MPM-ITK |
| 22:52.49 | \amethyst | famicom: or you might be the first person to try it on a 32-bit system |
| 22:53.10 | famicom | then using first number of UID for reference key |
| 22:53.23 | famicom | mind you, this is a distributed system with tons of users |
| 22:53.38 | Knirch | famicom: ah |
| 22:53.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | azeem, but they're only 1.3 billion! |
| 22:54.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | azeem, hence, less than 2 billion |
| 22:54.19 | famicom | Knirch so even though i will never ever possibly reach the full amount |
| 22:54.19 | azeem | famicom's problem is with 3 billion |
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| 22:54.28 | epsas | famicom - shadow-utils maybe? |
| 22:54.39 | famicom | it does save me the problem of having to keep track of assigned UID per server |
| 22:54.54 | famicom | cause there's only 1 used on ever server |
| 22:55.03 | famicom | it allows you to move stuff around without the risk of clashes |
| 22:55.04 | epsas | /w/win 6 |
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| 22:57.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | dokin, your 1st question is not clear and ... uh.. office-type programs... to the 2nd one... insert row? |
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| 22:59.28 | dokin | CutMeOwnThroat, I'll try to be more clear. Say I have one column with A B C and one with 1 2 3, and a third with A C. How can I get the first and second columns to match? A on the same row as A, B empty on the third column and C on the same as C? |
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| 23:01.27 | dokin | Like this http://pastebin.com/d7a437ac7 the first example is what I have, the second is what I want. And I'm using Calc because that's the only way I know how to do this. |
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| 23:01.41 | dokin | Well, I don't know how to do it, but you get my point :) |
| 23:02.02 | \amethyst | dokin: will they both be in order? |
| 23:02.43 | dokin | \amethyst, yeah they're in alphabetical order but since third column only has some of the entries they don't match |
| 23:02.59 | \amethyst | dokin: is column 3 also in alphabetical order (ignoring gaps)? |
| 23:03.07 | dokin | \amethyst, yep |
| 23:03.22 | \amethyst | dokin: there are only the three columns? |
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| 23:04.19 | dokin | \amethyst, yes. [all book titles] [all urls] [some book titles] |
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| 23:05.19 | \amethyst | dokin: tab-delimited it looks like, or multiple spaces? |
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| 23:05.59 | dokin | \amethyst, they're in calc so if I copy to a text file they're tab-delimited |
| 23:07.04 | enouf | calc? |
| 23:07.22 | enouf | sounds like some Mpoop .exe |
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| 23:07.59 | dokin | enouf, Openoffice Calc. the spreadsheet thing |
| 23:08.02 | enouf | oh .. it's OO.o crap? |
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| 23:08.14 | enouf | what a fucken dump |
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| 23:08.31 | azeem | enouf: please keep it on topic |
| 23:08.32 | dokin | yeah, like I said, I only put it there because it seemed like the best solution. I don't have to use it if there's another one though |
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| 23:08.36 | enouf | trying to cojule up to proprietary shit |
| 23:08.46 | azeem | what |
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| 23:08.57 | azeem | enouf: if you want to vent about OOo, please do it in #debian-offtopic |
| 23:09.17 | Doctor_Nick | enouf: can I unmount the array while it's rebuilding without it freaking out on me? |
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| 23:09.50 | \amethyst | dokin: in bash: join -t $'\t' -o 1.1,1.2,2.1 -e '' -a 1 <(cut -f 1,2 < input) <(cut -f 3 < input | grep .) |
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| 23:10.19 | \amethyst | dokin: if there are duplicates in column 3, you'll get columns 1 and 2 duplicated as well |
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| 23:10.59 | enouf | azeem: no - please stfu for now - i'm not being overwhelming |
| 23:11.08 | Doctor_Nick | oh wow |
| 23:11.11 | Doctor_Nick | i'm dumb |
| 23:11.19 | dokin | \amethyst, thank you very much, I'll try that out. |
| 23:11.25 | Doctor_Nick | all I had to do was bump up speed_limit_min to a higher level |
| 23:11.28 | Doctor_Nick | blehhhhhhhhhh |
| 23:11.37 | enouf | Doctor_Nick: i told you |
| 23:11.45 | Doctor_Nick | i know =( |
| 23:11.48 | enouf | it's in the /doc/mdadm/* |
| 23:12.02 | azeem | enouf: oops, I almost read that as you'd want me to shut you up |
| 23:12.18 | stew | that's how I read it, still |
| 23:12.56 | enouf | azeem: you can't you weenie - you might be able to here - but you will stfu now - or you will /join the bozo box |
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| 23:13.17 | faffi | im using lspci | grep -i graphic to display my pci video devices, my onboard card comes up as 00:02.0 and 00:02.1, how do I express that in BusID form for xorg? |
| 23:13.40 | abrotman | faffi: you don't |
| 23:13.40 | azeem | enouf: yeah right I can't - I'm not identified to services it seems |
| 23:13.42 | enouf | faffi: alter the : to :: |
| 23:13.46 | faffi | i tried PCI:00:02.0 and xorg is reading it as PCI:0:2:0 |
| 23:13.47 | enouf | wait faffi |
| 23:14.10 | faffi | (trying to set up dual head with xinerama) |
| 23:14.12 | abrotman | faffi: in almost all cases, you should let X guess that |
| 23:14.16 | abrotman | !xrandr |
| 23:14.17 | dpkg | from memory, xrandr is a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 23:14.25 | faffi | abrotman: it says theres no card at that busid lol |
| 23:14.37 | faffi | and im using xrandr now, it breaks my screen so when i maximize it goes to both screens |
| 23:15.00 | wonderwal | anyone here have experience with mysql+debian+replication? |
| 23:15.07 | faffi | wonderwal: replication of what? |
| 23:15.14 | wonderwal | faffi: data |
| 23:15.15 | faffi | the database? you can just dump it and reinsert |
| 23:15.22 | wonderwal | live replication |
| 23:15.26 | faffi | oh |
| 23:15.28 | faffi | gotcha |
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| 23:17.31 | enouf | faffi: /msg dpkg dual monitors |
| 23:17.48 | enouf | faffi: i can't find the bookmark conversion shit atm |
| 23:17.49 | faffi | k |
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| 23:18.57 | enouf | faffi: you'll notice you laptop is PCI:00:02.0 and the VGA external connector is PCI:00:02.1 from lspci -nn |
| 23:19.26 | faffi | enouf: yeah, i put that in xorg and it didnt like it |
| 23:19.37 | faffi | it actually changed the format |
| 23:19.40 | faffi | let me find the error line |
| 23:20.14 | enouf | faffi: wiki.x.org will have info if not man Xorg |
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| 23:20.34 | faffi | enouf: (WW) intel: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found |
| 23:20.40 | faffi | it formatted it as that |
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| 23:24.42 | enouf | google sucks ass |
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| 23:24.54 | enouf | can't even find a cached page |
| 23:25.04 | enouf | http://serios.net/content/misc/pcibusidhextodec.php |
| 23:25.11 | enouf | which is dead |
| 23:25.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dokin, I guess that should be a B in 2C |
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| 23:25.55 | enouf | faffi: you shouldn't have to fusk with that at all -- but as i said - MANY ppl make it work |
| 23:26.08 | enouf | find their examples |
| 23:26.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, and I don't know |
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| 23:27.11 | dokin | CutMeOwnThroat, hm, you mean in my example? there should be an empty space there since I don't have B. I want to compare my incomplete list with a complete one. but I ran into some trouble so I haven't tried the bash thing I got from amethyst yet. |
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| 23:27.44 | enouf | faffi: WW == warning anyway |
| 23:27.52 | enouf | EE matters |
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| 23:28.23 | enouf | learn to fucken read the comments in the log file atleast |
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| 23:33.09 | lunk | are there any definitive docs that explain what distro to use for 64-bit intel systems? |
| 23:33.27 | lunk | rather, arch of lenny instead of distro |
| 23:33.59 | abrotman | lunk: pretty easy .. if it's amd64/em64t you can use i386 or amd64 .. if it's itanium (probably not), you use ia64 |
| 23:34.01 | themill | lunk: if you paid less than $$$$$ for it, amd64. |
| 23:34.47 | lunk | ok, so non ia64 intel 64-bit goes to...amd64? |
| 23:34.48 | enouf | !ports |
| 23:34.48 | dpkg | [ports] http://www.debian.org/ports/ or http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers or the FreeBSD ports system etc etc |
| 23:34.55 | lunk | sorry for redundancy, just want to be clear |
| 23:35.09 | enouf | !ia64 |
| 23:35.10 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
| 23:35.19 | enouf | clear enough? |
| 23:35.29 | themill | lunk: yeah. /msg dpkg why amd64 |
| 23:35.35 | lunk | yay, thanks |
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| 23:37.47 | tommi | hi all |
| 23:38.09 | tommi | where can i find really small tty fonts? i'm on a really small laptop and even terminus14 is too big |
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| 23:39.16 | enouf | use vga= tommi |
| 23:40.09 | tommi | enouf: unfortunately the laptop i'm using has a weird resolution (eeepc 701) so i can't choose a proper vga= parameter |
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| 23:41.02 | enouf | tommi: so toss the craptop into the dumpster |
| 23:41.21 | Lewis__ | aptitude should have reverse dependence with apt-get |
| 23:41.26 | enouf | Bill will show up and grab it |
| 23:41.33 | themill | tommi: perhaps less vitriol and more help... |
| 23:41.35 | stew | tommi: try /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
| 23:41.40 | themill | errr |
| 23:41.45 | themill | enouf: perhaps less vitriol and more help... |
| 23:41.45 | Lewis__ | and apt-get should have reverse dependence with apt-get |
| 23:41.53 | Lewis__ | sorry... |
| 23:41.59 | enouf | themill: i'm hungry |
| 23:42.01 | Lewis__ | and apt-get should have reverse dependence with aptitude |
| 23:42.32 | tommi | enouf: 'craptop'? bah |
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| 23:42.57 | enouf | tommi: you gave many adjectives to warrant that response |
| 23:43.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, eat something! don't pick at people, that's cannibalism! |
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| 23:44.04 | tommi | enouf: i don't think so, but thanks for the help anyway |
| 23:44.18 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: stfu - with a nick like that |
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| 23:44.34 | azeem | enouf: you've got 10 minutes to go eat something now |
| 23:44.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | kindles you appetite, eh? |
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| 23:45.14 | azeem | thihi |
| 23:45.19 | st3ven33 | I get GRUB Error 2 message. I think it's related with wrong IDE channel. Is it possible to change IDE channel before this "Error 2" appears? |
| 23:45.26 | azeem | stupid auto-bleh |
| 23:45.41 | enouf | if you attack my truthfullness and kindness i will fuck you up your ass |
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| 23:45.56 | azeem | enouf: please keep it on topic |
| 23:45.57 | Gun_Smoke | lol |
| 23:46.13 | Lewis__ | I hate aptitude! |
| 23:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !comfort Lewis__ |
| 23:46.23 | dpkg | There, there, Lewis__. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:46.31 | Gun_Smoke | why? |
| 23:46.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can always use dpkg directly :-P |
| 23:46.44 | Lewis__ | because it breaks the nice apt-get |
| 23:46.52 | Gun_Smoke | pft |
| 23:46.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 23:46.58 | Doctor_Nick | !fart |
| 23:46.58 | dpkg | farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" |
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| 23:47.08 | themill | Lewis__: it shouldn't do... precisely what are you doing and how is it not working for you? |
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| 23:47.40 | Lewis__ | Today I was trying to help someone that love aptitude |
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| 23:48.13 | Lewis__ | ...and when I ran apt-get libc6 did desappear |
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| 23:48.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah |
| 23:48.48 | Lewis__ | now libcc1 and libc6 are broken |
| 23:49.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not how it normally works |
| 23:49.10 | Lewis__ | and I cant install both |
| 23:49.10 | Gun_Smoke | stable? |
| 23:49.15 | Lewis__ | yep |
| 23:49.16 | stew | Lewis__: what do you mean by "libc6 did desappear" ; how do you know they are broken? |
| 23:49.28 | themill | places bets that this has nothing to do with aptitude and lots to do with mixing releases |
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| 23:49.39 | thesinner | hello |
| 23:49.44 | stew | Lewis__: are you getting an error? |
| 23:49.45 | tommi | 5 bucks on themill |
| 23:49.46 | Lewis__ | dpkg -l show it, but aptitude and apt-get shows it like not installed |
| 23:49.47 | dpkg | No packages found matching show it, but aptitude and apt-get shows it like not installed |
| 23:49.57 | thesinner | if a reboot is sent from console, is there any way for me to know which pty/tty it was sent from? |
| 23:50.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lewis__, does dpkg -l show it as ii? |
| 23:50.08 | multi_io | what if I partition a HDD such that the sequence of logical partitions in the partition table is not the same as the sequence of the partitions on the drive itself? |
| 23:50.12 | stew | Lewis__: show us what aptitude command you are running that makes it look like its not installed |
| 23:50.15 | thesinner | The system is going down for reboot NOW!console) (Tue May 12 09:37:33 2009): Connection to supertower closed by remote host. |
| 23:50.18 | thesinner | like that |
| 23:50.18 | multi_io | can Linux handle that? |
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| 23:50.30 | Lewis__ | CutMeOwnThroat yes |
| 23:50.48 | Lewis__ | aptitude upgrade |
| 23:51.00 | Lewis__ | stew, aptitude upgrade |
| 23:51.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | pastebinit the whole thing |
| 23:51.18 | stew | Lewis__: so aptitude upgrade is not trying to upgrade libc6? |
| 23:51.19 | thesinner | hello? |
| 23:51.27 | stew | Lewis__: or it is trying to upgrade libc6? |
| 23:51.38 | abrotman | thesinner: told you .. the console |
| 23:51.42 | Lewis__ | stew, it is traying, but say that cant run postinstall |
| 23:51.53 | stew | Lewis__: then it IS acting like it is installed, and upgradable |
| 23:51.54 | abrotman | thesinner: oh .. misread .. maybe after the machine comes up |
| 23:51.54 | thesinner | abrotman: which console |
| 23:52.00 | thesinner | i want to know was it pty1 or tty2 |
| 23:52.05 | stew | Lewis__: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 23:52.10 | Lewis__ | CutMeOwnThroat, I will try to connect there again, but I dont hink it is possible |
| 23:52.11 | thesinner | the machine is up abrotman |
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| 23:52.34 | Lewis__ | stew, I will try to connect there again, but I dont hink it is possible, right now |
| 23:52.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lewis__, you could check with lastlog which terminal root was on |
| 23:52.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 23:52.55 | Lewis__ | Only a question, can aptitude and apt-get work together? |
| 23:52.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | thesinner ^^^, not Lewis__ |
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| 23:53.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | thesinner, and/or /var/log/auth.log |
| 23:54.07 | stew | Lewis__: yes |
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| 23:54.19 | thesinner | that doesnt help CutMeOwnThroat |
| 23:54.21 | thesinner | sorry |
| 23:54.30 | Lewis__ | stew and CutMeOwnThroat, thank you |
| 23:54.31 | thesinner | i want to know where the signal was sent from |
| 23:54.44 | thesinner | too many people logged in and su'd to root all over this machine |
| 23:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | thesinner, but the shutdown could have even not come from a terminal... so if /var/log/messages doesn't tell you who shut it down from where, then "no" |
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| 23:54.57 | Lewis__ | I will try to get the infos and post here, later |
| 23:55.10 | thesinner | err i can see it said the shutdown came from "console" |
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| 23:55.30 | Lewis__ | Thanks again |
| 23:55.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | thesinner, well, so you know it was the person sitting on the physical machine |
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| 23:55.51 | jdross | any thoughts on amarok not installing themes on Debian lenny? It says they installed but they never seem to make it to the homedir. |
| 23:55.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | thesinner, or do you have some serial console setup... |
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| 23:56.16 | thesinner | no, no serial console |
| 23:56.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, so you know |
| 23:57.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | it wasn't a pseudo-terminal, but the console... |
| 23:57.16 | thesinner | so console definitely means the physical tty1-6? |
| 23:57.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd say so |
| 23:57.28 | thesinner | lol |
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| 23:58.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I never shut down |
| 23:58.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | my machine runs until it crashes |
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| 23:58.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | how should I know for sure |
| 23:58.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's what console means |
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