IRC log for #debian on 20090512

00:00.15thesinnerthe previous uptime of this machine was in excess of 2 years
00:01.31CutMeOwnThroatactually, I guess you would get the same if someone presses ctrl-alt-delete on a console
00:01.56CutMeOwnThroatgone he is
00:01.57CutMeOwnThroatof course
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00:08.14multi_iohm, is it possible to shorten a primary partition and use the freed sectors to create a logical partition belonging to an existing extended partition?
00:08.15CutMeOwnThroatplants a small flag in this uninhabited channel, staking out his claim
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00:09.44CutMeOwnThroatextended?
00:10.24CutMeOwnThroatoh, that's that dummy partition before the logical ones
00:10.38CutMeOwnThroatshould be
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00:11.38CutMeOwnThroatmake backup, try if gparted lets you?
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00:12.10CutMeOwnThroat"More specifically, gparted enables you to create, destroy, resize, move, check, label, and copy partitions, and the file systems contained within."
00:12.10kavehhi
00:12.21CutMeOwnThroatthat seems to cover it :)
00:12.38kaveh<PROTECTED>
00:12.57CutMeOwnThroat!lm-sensors
00:12.58dpkgi heard lm_sensors is a hardware health monitoring package that performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc.  Packaged for Debian as 'lm-sensors'.  #linux-sensors @ irc.freenode.net
00:13.09CutMeOwnThroathm, I thought that factoid was more helpful
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00:13.22multi_iothe extended partition comprises all the logical partitions I think
00:13.31CutMeOwnThroatyeah
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00:13.44kavehCutMeOwnThroat: i want gui application
00:13.50CutMeOwnThroatkaveh, there are lots
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00:14.40CutMeOwnThroatkaveh, apt-cache search  battery status |grep -v module
00:15.09CutMeOwnThroathmm
00:15.13multi_ioI want a dual-boot configuration (Vista + Linux). I guess Vista must boot from a primary partition, so I'd install it on sda1, and then install linux on a LVM on sda{5..x}.
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00:15.44CutMeOwnThroatkaveh,  actually, I think it's not lm-sensors, but apm... sorry mixed that up
00:16.16\amethystmulti_io: just to be safe, I'd put /boot on a non-LVM partition (2 or 5)
00:16.19multi_ionow, if I find out later that Vista's partition is too big, I'd shorten it (using some tool), and then I'd like to create an additional logical partition in the freed space and add that to the Linux LVM
00:16.20CutMeOwnThroatmulti_io, if you make a full backup, you can always make the partitions from scratch and play stuff back, I guess
00:16.40willianhi, my debian squeeze don't have sound
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00:16.45williansomeone can help me?
00:16.58multi_ioproblem is, I'm not sure if that's possible :-P
00:17.12multi_io\amethyst: yes, right
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00:17.23CutMeOwnThroatwillian, /msg dpkg alsa checklist
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00:17.44kavehthanks CutMeOwnThroat
00:17.48multi_ioso anyway, Linux would be installed on logical partitions.
00:17.49willianexcuse me...
00:18.08CutMeOwnThroatexcuses willian to everyone
00:18.42multi_iobut for the above scenario, I'd have to add a logical partition that's located *before* where the extended partition that contains it starts.
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00:19.04CutMeOwnThroatyeah, that's a bit weird
00:19.20\amethystmulti_io:  or turn the free space into a primary partition 2
00:19.32\amethystor 3
00:19.33multi_ioI just read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_boot_record, and it seems all pointers to the beginning of logical partitions must be forward-pointing :-P
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00:21.07kavehCutMeOwnThroat: xbattbar: Can't read proc info: No such file or directory
00:22.12multi_io\amethyst: hm, ok. but then I would have to leave the primary partition slots 2 and/or 3 empty initially.
00:22.29multi_iocan that lead to problems in itself?
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00:22.48\amethystmulti_io:  I don't believe partitions have to be in ascending order
00:23.31CutMeOwnThroatkaveh, modprobe battery?
00:23.50LuminolBlueHello, everyone. I am trying to get Debian to "pick up" a dhcp address. The OS is running on a VPS, and the connection type is currently set to "Bridged."
00:24.25LuminolBlueIt was working fine till this morning, but after I was forced to restart my modem/router, I can't get Debian to get back on the net.
00:24.46kavehCutMeOwnThroat: did not help
00:25.14kavehCutMeOwnThroat: thanks i gtg
00:25.26LuminolBlueAny help is greatly appreciated.
00:26.00freaky_thm, is aptitude better than apt-get? oO
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00:26.20simNIXyup
00:26.55simNIXthere's trigger that lets bot give info what excactly
00:27.02simNIXbut I forgot which one ...
00:27.04LuminolBlueHow can I get back into the Debian setup program?
00:27.15LuminolBlue(Something similar to sysconfig or sysinstall.)
00:27.29simNIXaptitude ?
00:27.41simNIXis not excactly sysibstall
00:27.49simNIXbut closed there is I think
00:27.59simNIXwhat are you intending to do in this tool ?
00:28.27LuminolBlueI'd like to see if the "sysinstall" utility will try to get a dhcp lease from the router, because nothing else seems to work.
00:28.44simNIXbetter use command line ?
00:28.56LuminolBlueYes, I'm using the command line right now.
00:29.11simNIXor else boot istallcd and see if that gets lease and quit before stating install
00:29.23WyzardLuminolBlue: Assuming your eth0 (or whatever) is configured for DHCP, plain "ifup eth0" will do the same thing that the installer did (namely, run dhclient)
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00:29.41WyzardLuminolBlue: The installer doesn't have some special ability to get a DHCP lease that an installed system lacks
00:29.43LuminolBlueWyzard: I see. Let me try that.
00:30.16LuminolBlueWyzard: As I said above, the net was working fine up until this morning, but after I restarted my router/modem, it hasn't worked since, at least not on the Virtual Machine.
00:30.47simNIXother boxes in same lan do get lease / can conect out ?
00:30.52WyzardLuminolBlue: What type of router?
00:30.59WyzardLuminolBlue: and did you restart the VM host machine as well?
00:30.59LuminolBluesimNIX: Yes, all other boxes work fine.
00:31.04simNIXodd
00:31.07LuminolBlueWyzard: It is a WRT54G.
00:31.13simNIXgreat hardware
00:31.17LuminolBlueWyzard: No, not the host machine, just the VM.
00:31.26simNIXat least the older ones that take Linux
00:31.28WyzardLuminolBlue: Default firmware?  or OpenWRT/DD-WRT/etc.?
00:31.37LuminolBlueWyzard: No, nothing of the sort.
00:31.58WyzardYou're wasting it if you don't run a real firmware on it  :-P
00:32.08simNIXagreed - )
00:32.11WyzardAnyway, you're saying that you didn't restart the VM host, but you did restart the guest that's having problems
00:32.26LuminolBlue"ifup eth0" returns: "eth0 already configured."
00:32.28simNIXlinksys firmware is older and bugier and much more limeted
00:32.34WyzardLuminolBlue: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0
00:32.41simNIXI like tomato and openwrt
00:32.53LuminolBlueWyzard: No, I restarted my modem and router only, but had to restart the guest OS as well.
00:32.54Wyzardit sounds like you don't actually know whether the problem was caused by restarting the WRT or restarting the VM
00:33.04WyzardThat statement doesn't make any sense
00:33.17simNIXwhich one ?
00:33.20WyzardYou rebooted only the router, but you also restarted the VM?
00:33.26simNIXok
00:33.30LuminolBlueOk, I restarted m modem/router, and also restarted the VM, yes.
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00:33.42Wyzardthen you didn't restart "only" the router
00:33.52Wyzardso you don't know which restart caused the problem
00:34.14simNIXLuminolBlue, I would try set static ip and ping gw ..
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00:34.29simNIX... or other box in lan
00:34.30WyzardAnyway, what did "ifup eth0" say after you did ifdown first?
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00:35.09LuminolBlueWyzard: It's coming up with: "DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.
00:35.11LuminolBlueOops.
00:35.21Wyzardbtw, a WRT54G is not a modem -- I assume you mean you restarted the modem and the WRT54G
00:35.34LuminolBlueWyzard: It's coming up with: "DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval N
00:35.39Wyzardand it says that repeatedly?
00:35.54LuminolBlueThen finally: No DHCPOFFERS received.
00:35.55LuminolBlueYes.
00:35.59simNIXcable is ruled out as fault ?
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00:36.04simNIXutp
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00:36.16LuminolBluesimNIX: It's a VM, so there is no cable. I am using a "Bridged" connection.
00:36.32simNIXok my bad
00:36.44WyzardI'd recommend checking the VM's network configuration -- you may have it set to disabled or something
00:36.55WyzardWhat virtualization software are you using?
00:37.05LuminolBlueWyzard: I'm quite sure nothing is disabled. - WMware.
00:37.06CutMeOwnThroatfreaky_t, /msg dpkg why aptitude
00:37.14freaky_tthanks
00:37.37CutMeOwnThroatalso try "why not aptitude" :)
00:37.42WyzardOpen the VM's properties and make sure both "connected" and "connect at power on" are checked
00:37.54WyzardAnd see whether it works if you change the connection to NAT
00:37.54LuminolBlueWyzard: Yes, they are both checked.
00:38.01LuminolBlueWyzard: Ok.
00:38.29WyzardI assume the host's network connection is working through the same interface that you have VMware configured to bridge to?
00:38.50LuminolBlueWyzard: Yes.
00:39.09simNIXif im not mixing virtualbox and vmware up I had to bridge my nic to get bridging to work in vmware
00:39.33WyzardVMware uses its own bridging implementation that doesn't create any visible bridge interfaces like br0
00:39.49simNIXok then m mixing up virtualbox
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00:41.05faffienouf: i fixed the issue but i have NO idea what was causing it
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00:41.51LuminolBlueOK, NAT seems to work.
00:41.56monkey_d_luffyI have recently added a new hdd, which got deviced as /dev/sdc, which was the old device name for my usb flash stick.  Now I'm pluggin in my usb flash pen and kde doesn't show the autorun menu.   cat /proc/partition shows the new device as /dev/sdd    What can I do for kde automount to work?
00:41.57LuminolBlueHowever... There is one little issue.
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00:42.38LuminolBlueMy router does not allow me to change any but the last three digits of a LAN address, so how can I open ports on the VM?
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00:43.04WyzardLuminolBlue: I wasn't suggesting you use NAT permanently
00:43.14WyzardYou wouldn't be able to forward ports through VMware's NAT anyway, afaik
00:43.46LuminolBlueOK, so if NAT seems to work, then why won't 'Bridged' do the trick?
00:43.50WyzardI'd switch back to bridging at this point and run tcpdump on the host, on the bridged interface, to see whether the DHCPDISCOVER packets show up
00:44.02LuminolBlueOK.
00:44.32Wyzardand if they show up there, then run tcpdump on another machine on the same network to see whether the DHCPDISCOVER packets actually got transmitted on the physical network
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00:44.47Wyzardand if you were running a real firmware like OpenWRT on your router, you could ssh into it and run tcpdump *there*  :-P
00:44.59LuminolBlueI see.
00:45.18jmoncayowhats the best virtual emulation you guys could suggest, such as vmware, etc?
00:45.27WyzardAnyway, what's important is to find out whether the DHCPDISCOVER packets are actually making it to the router
00:45.38Wyzardjmoncayo: depends on what it's going to be used for
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00:46.20jmoncayoWyzard: i just want to play with different OS
00:46.30Wyzardon a desktop PC?
00:46.32LuminolBlueOK, this is really odd.
00:46.50LuminolBlueWyzard: "Connect at power on" is checked, but "Connect" is grayed out and not checked.
00:46.58LuminolBlueIn VMware.
00:46.59WyzardI'd use VMware Workstation, but that costs money for a license...  VirtualBox is a good free choice too, but I have less experience with that
00:47.03jmoncayoWyzard: ilaptop
00:47.17Wyzardjmoncayo: same difference...  point is, not a server
00:47.39WyzardLuminolBlue: The only time I can think of when the "connect" box is grayed out is when the VM is not running
00:48.13jmoncayoWyzard: is there a vmware server? or something like that
00:48.17LuminolBlueI see.
00:48.33WyzardLuminolBlue: or maybe if the interface it's configured to bridge to does not exist, but that shouldn't have changed just by rebooting a VM
00:48.43Wyzardjmoncayo: yes, and that's free-of-charge (though still not free-as-in-beer)
00:48.45LuminolBlueYes, true.
00:49.06Wyzardjmoncayo: but it's not quite as well-suited to desktop virtualization (though it could be used)
00:49.08jmoncayoWyzard: sorry to bother with this, but whats the point of a vmware server?
00:49.35Wyzardjmoncayo: Running multiple server VMs one one big server machine, typically
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00:50.16jmoncayoWyzard: ohhhh... i remember people selling VMs servers
00:50.34WyzardLuminolBlue: Have there been any alert messages logged in association with this VM?
00:50.47LuminolBlueWyzard: No, none at all.
00:50.54WyzardLuminolBlue: it might have run into some problem with connecting the interface at VM boot time
00:51.04WyzardI'd shut it down and then start it again, and watch it carefully
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00:51.23LuminolBlueWyzard: I've shut it down and started it up again quite a few times already. :P
00:51.47WyzardHave you done the tcpdump-on-the-host thing yet?
00:52.11LuminolBlueNo, I don't know how. :)
00:53.04Wyzardshould've said so earlier
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00:53.08WyzardI'd recommend installing the dhcpdump package
00:53.22Wyzardthen do:  tcpdump -i eth0 -lenx -s1500 | dhcpdump
00:53.32Wyzardassuming eth0 is the interface you've bridged your VM to
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00:53.37LuminolBlue'apt-get install dhcpdump'?
00:53.39Wyzardyeah
00:53.44LuminolBlueYes, it is eth0.
00:53.55Wyzardoops...  tcpdump -i eth0 -lenx -s1500 port bootpc or bootps | dhcpdump
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00:54.23WyzardThat makes tcpdump capture all DHCP packets on eth0 and output them in raw form, and dhcpdump reads them and prints them in human-readable form
00:54.40LuminolBlueWow. Haha.
00:54.45LuminolBlueUm.
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00:56.09LuminolBlueI think I have an idea...
00:56.14LuminolBlueThat might solve this issue.
00:56.56Wyzardhmm, actually, it looks like it might be possible to just run "dhcpdump -i eth0"...  that must be a new feature since I last read the dhcpdump docs
00:57.48judgepgHi folks, does anyone have any experience with fxp over vsftpd?  I need some assistance getting this to fly.  Thanks in advance
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01:06.49starcodeDoes anyone know where I can still get packages for sarge?
01:07.16starcodeI have an old server and need a package (libc6-dev)...
01:07.37starcodeI cannot update right now, because the server is still in production
01:08.28stewstarcode: archive.debian.org
01:08.47stewstarcode: note that sarge has many known security problems that nobody is fixing, you should upgrade asap
01:09.08dokinI got this bash script http://pastebin.com/m5c6f2e67 from someone to create a torrent file for every file in a folder but when I use it I get "Failed opening torrent file `example.txt'" does anyone see a problem with the bash script?
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01:10.08starcodestew: yes, I know... i want to upgrade soon, but for migration to a newer server i need some packages ;-)
01:12.02SQlvpapirdokin: try #bash
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01:12.29LuminolBlueWyzard: The issue has been resolved.
01:12.35WyzardLuminolBlue: What was it?
01:12.46LuminolBlueAll I had to do was reboot the Host (my machine.)
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01:13.49dokinSQlvpapir, will do, thank you
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01:14.03LuminolBlueWyzard: Thanks all the same for all your help. :)
01:14.15JordiGHIs there a quick way to check all users' crontabs at once?
01:14.34WyzardLuminolBlue: Rebooting the host shouldn't have been necessary...  I'm glad it's working now, but you've gained no insight into what was actually wrong
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01:15.31LuminolBlueWyzard: You're absolutely right; however, if it's working... I won't complain. :P
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01:17.06dokinSQlvpapir, I tried #bash instead of #!/bin/bash but it still doesn't work.
01:17.30SQlvpapirdokin: no #bash the channel :p
01:17.36SQlvpapiron this network
01:18.01dokinSQlvpapir, lol, now I get it. thanks
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01:18.32jmoncayolol
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01:28.15dokinThere wasn't anything wrong with it from a bash perspective, the solution was to change it to      do transmissioncli -c "$f" -a http://your_announce_url -r -n "$f".torrent     if anyone else is interested in creating multiple torrent files.
01:28.46jmoncayodokin: thanks
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01:30.09jmoncayocan you conect 2 adhoc networks?
01:30.33jmoncayowireless
01:31.34WyzardYou could bridge two wireless interfaces
01:31.48Wyzardbut it'd be a strange thing to do
01:31.58jmoncayoso i will need 2 laptops with 2 wireless adapters right
01:32.16Wyzardor 1 laptop with 2 wireless adapters
01:32.34WyzardPossibly just one wireless adapter, if it's one of the ones that's able to associate to multiple networks
01:32.50WyzardI've heard that some Atheros devices can do that, I think
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01:33.24xtractdoes debian have an openbsd pf port?
01:34.20WyzardNote that some wireless adapters don't support bridging, btw
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01:34.48gravityxtract: Does that even run on linux? The kFreeBSD port might have it...
01:35.11xtractI'm not sure
01:35.16xtractI was wondering if anyone ported it
01:35.27magyarhi all, i'm having sound issues in kde 4.2, I get no sound from my soundblaster card. I used to in 3.5
01:35.31dubis there a default mysql password in debian?
01:35.50konrtest
01:36.04stewdub: no.  old versions of debian didn't have a root password.  new ones prompt upon install
01:36.47dubstew, not so useful when another package triggers dbconfig-common first.
01:36.48UncleBobYou can skip the root password config in the installer by pressing escape and skipping it in the list.
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01:37.18qiyongwhere is the RSA key fingerprint stored? or is it calculated?
01:37.44stewdub: i'd expect that to use the debian-sys-maint account, not the root account
01:38.04dubstew, it prompts for the root account pass
01:38.05UncleBobHonestWorker: floor(floatnumber + 0.5)?
01:38.08Wyzardqiyong: "the" RSA key fingerprint?
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01:38.34abrotmanUncleBob: wrong channel
01:38.41Wyzardqiyong: It'd help to specify what key you're talking about, but the answer is probably "calculated"
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01:39.39UncleBobabrotman: Yes, well done. =P
01:40.00stewdub: if you don't know the root password, /msg dpkg i forgot mysql's root password
01:40.14dubstew, I know how to reset it.
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01:41.09dubstew, maybe something that could be fixed though
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01:43.06stewdub: /msg dpkg reportbug
01:43.41dubI'll leave it to people with nothing better to do
01:44.20stewdub: why not file a bug?
01:44.24abrotmanprobably what the last guy said ...
01:44.25dubwant to replicate? install cacti on top of lenny
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01:44.39Aramil__good day/night to all
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01:45.17qiyongWyzard: the one when ssh firstly
01:45.34stewdub: do you have any proposal about how this could possibly be fixed?
01:45.54dgandhihow do I get exim4 to accept a wildcard entry in /etc/aliases?
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01:46.30Wyzardqiyong: A key fingerprint is typically just a hash of the key itself, and that's easy to calculate, so there's no need to store it separately
01:46.33Aramil__i have a doubt, if someone can give me lights on it, im setting public keys for a several servers, so i can login from my terminal to each one of them without have to write pass each time, i know the procedure, but im not sure if i can copy the same pub key of my main server into all the other or i must create a new key for each one?
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01:46.52sonniehi there, i failed to compile fglrx 1:9-4-2 against kernel 2.6.26-1-686, the error is described like BUG 525442. but i don't know how to disable 02-2.6.29.dpatch
01:46.55\amethystAramil__:  you can use the same public key on all the servers
01:47.12WyzardAramil__: You should have one keypair for each machine you want to log in *from*, and for each pair, copy the public key to each machine you want to log in *to*
01:47.38qiyongWyzard: where is that key stored? and how to get the hash? /etc/sshd/ ?
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01:48.02Wyzardqiyong: The keys are in /etc/ssh
01:48.51Wyzardqiyong: but just hashing that file (e.g. with md5sum) won't get you the correct fingerprint since there's additional information in the file
01:48.54Aramil__thanks friends, let me see if i understand, i will generate my pairs of key on my main box, and then i can copy the public key of my main machine into each remote server, so i can log from my main box into all the other no?
01:48.57dubstew, have apt configure mysql first when its installed as a dep? No idea how.
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01:49.35qiyongWyzard: is it md5sum hash?
01:49.36stewdub: mysql isn't a dep
01:49.45stewdub: becuase dbconfig works with other databases
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01:50.09qiyongWyzard: is it /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub ?
01:50.15Wyzardqiyong: dunno
01:50.22stewdub: does dbconfig even require a database to be installed on the same machine?  i would assume it could configure databases on remote machines
01:50.44Wyzardqiyong: looks like "ssh-keygen -l" will do what you want
01:51.31stewdub: yeah, it can be configured for remote machines, and works with postgres, so it DEFINATELY can't Pre-Depend: on mysql-server-5.0
01:52.06dubdbconfig is called by cacti
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01:52.13duband I expect otherthings
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01:53.27stewdub: what do you expect?
01:54.12dubto be able to install cacti using apt?
01:54.25dub(without working around brokeness)
01:54.30stewdub: you can
01:54.57stewdub: do you have a proposal about how debian could handle this better?
01:55.38stewdub: i'd suggest you install mysql-server-5.0 first
01:55.55dubstew, thanks for the circular conversation but im busy. I can fix it, others may have a little more trouble.
01:56.06dublol. OK I'll just do that, thanks
01:56.21stewdub: ok, so you reject my trying to help you.  you don't want to request a fix.  you don't want to propose a fix, you just want to complain?
01:56.24stewsave it
01:56.50dubyou're not comprehending the situation, but it doesnt matter
01:56.55stewi do, trust me
01:56.55dubthanks for trying
01:57.15stewyou wish that mysql-server was already configured, so you have to install it first
01:57.25stewbecuase dbconfig-common can't pre-depend on mysql-server
01:57.36stewit can't becuase it can't depend on mysql-server at all
01:58.12dubyes, If I had known about this gotcha I would have, but I didnt so im in an 'impossible to resolve wihtout doing un-apt'like things'. So im doign stuff !the debian way
01:58.55stewdub: but you don't want to either discuss possible solutions, or request them.  so I don't see what your point is
01:59.11stewdub: is there something else we can help you with? since you don't want help with this?
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02:05.11dubstew, I offered a possible solution, probably not in the correct language and likely ignorant of what would be required to implement it. No I do not have any more questions, is it ok if I go back to idling here as I have for some 6 years?
02:05.27stewdub: see #301497, this is by design
02:05.39stewdub: if you have a possible solution, please file a bug
02:06.00stewdub: what is your possible solution?
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02:06.39dub<dub> stew, have apt configure mysql first when its installed as a dep? No idea how.
02:06.57stewdub: mysql isn't installed as a dep
02:07.03stewits not a dependency at all
02:07.31stewmysql-client (which also isn't a dependency, by design) doesn't require configuration
02:07.32dubback to the language thing then I guess. It got installed when I installed a package that requires it
02:08.08dubwe're talking mysqld here (obviously mysql-client doesnt require a root password)
02:08.08stewdub: which package?
02:08.19dubcacti
02:08.40stewjudd: depends cacti
02:08.41juddstew: cacti -- Depends: apache2 | apache | apache-ssl | apache-perl | httpd, libapache2-mod-php4 | php4 | libapache2-mod-php5 | php5, php4-mysql (>= 4.3.10-9) | php5-mysql, php4-cli | php5-cli, php4-snmp | php5-snmp, virtual-mysql-client, rrdtool, snmp, logrotate, libphp-adodb (>= 4.50-1), ucf, dbconfig-common (>= 1.8.8), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0
02:08.49stewcacti doesn't depend on mysql-server
02:09.04stew(there is no reason a mysql-server needs to be installed on the same machine as cacti)
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02:09.38dubwell it installed it
02:09.44abrotmanit does recommend it
02:09.56\amethystthere's no way to pre-recommends
02:10.01\amethystthat would be the solution I think
02:11.31stewdub: so file a wishlist bug against dpkg asking for a pre-recommends
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02:11.47stewand, i guess a Pre-suggests
02:11.55\amethysthm
02:12.14\amethystI don't know if pre-suggests would be useful, since suggests aren't automatically followed
02:12.32stew\amethyst: no but there is --with-suggests
02:12.36\amethystah
02:12.56multi_ioLOL. fdisk is at odds with ITSELF when it comes to the meaning of "GB". What a truly remarkable (but typical) Unix usability fuckup :-|
02:13.42multi_ioin the disk capacity display, 1 GB = 1e9 bytes; when specifying the size of a partition, 1GB = 2**30 bytes.
02:14.53multi_io..which means that after spending half an hour carefully laying out and partitioning your new disk, you notice that the last partition is a lot smaller than what you had calculated it would be!
02:15.20frostschutzmulti_io: fdisk even doesn't recommend using itself in its man page :)
02:16.19multi_iooh. and what am I to use instead? :-P
02:16.38pl4yer0neparted
02:16.45frostschutzcfdisk, parted, sfdisk, ...
02:17.07pl4yer0ne(fdisk suggests parted I should say rather)
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02:17.32multi_ioso there are like half a dozen programs for doing teh same thing? That's another usability fuckup if you ask me :-D
02:17.34frostschutznot really, it just mentions parted
02:17.50frostschutzmulti_io: that
02:18.27frostschutzmulti_io: that's normal though, just like you can choose between bash and other shells, kde and other window managers, firefox and other browsers, ...
02:18.53gravityWelcome to UNIX
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02:23.32multi_iofascinating it took me 11 years of (on-and-off) fdisk usage to find that out!
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02:28.00nick_h[litage]would someone with an Etch box mind telling me what the output from this is, please?:  getent passwd news
02:28.29dubnews:x:9:9:news:/var/spool/news:/bin/sh
02:28.35nick_h[litage]thanks, dub!
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02:29.40nick_h[litage]dub: does /var/spool/news exist?
02:30.10dubnegative
02:30.11dondelelcaronick_h[litage]: see /usr/share/base-passwd/passwd.master if you ever need to ask that question
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02:30.20nick_h[litage]dondelelcaro: thanks, reading
02:30.33dondelelcaro(as well as the other bits of base-passwd)
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02:31.00dondelelcaronick_h[litage]: /var/spool/news would be created by a news server, which is pretty much the only thing that the news user is for.
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02:32.35UncleBobHow can I find out the gcc optimization options that were used to create each package I get with apt-get?
02:32.53dondelelcaroUncleBob: look at debian/rules for the packages
02:32.59dondelelcaroUncleBob: in general though, you shouldn't care
02:34.56UncleBobdondelelcaro: Thanks... it's just that I noticed performance for openssl is different on my Debian install than for my install of... another distribution.
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02:37.00eeg3Does anyone know a good tool to cause packet loss (for software testing) for Linux?
02:37.32nick_h[litage]dondelelcaro: in /usr/share/base-passwd/passwd.master , the password field for the "news" user is set to "*". how would i accomplish that after creating the "news" user?
02:38.15nick_h[litage]when creating the "news" user with adduser, i specified --disabled-login, which set the password field to "x". i assume that "x" isn't the same as "*"
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02:41.51Wyzardeeg3: I don't know about causing packet loss on real Linux network interfaces, but FWIW, VMware Workstation's "team" feature lets you simulate packet loss on virtual network segments within a team
02:42.19eeg3Wyzard: thanks, I know I read about a tool to do it, but can't seem to find it at the moment :(
02:42.57UncleBobdondelelcaro: Um, where exactly do I go?
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02:44.00abrotmanUncleBob: he said debian/rules
02:44.03abrotman!debian/rules
02:44.04dpkgThe makefile that's used by dpkg-buildpackage when building a .deb from source.  Edit debian/rules before you run "fakeroot debian/rules binary" (or "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot") to create a custom .deb package.  For more info, ask me about <source>. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number or ask me about <hold>.
02:44.24abrotmanthinks that wasn't nearly as useful as he thought it would be
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02:45.42shyam_ki thought specifying range at crontab will automatically kill the process as the range of time ends.. how can i do that?
02:46.11shyam_kthe script continuously downloads things... but i want it to run only on that free net time..
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02:46.49shyam_kanother entry to get the proces pid and kill it?
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02:50.04shyam_k,...
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02:54.21CutMeOwnThroatmake a 2nd cron entry that kills it?
02:54.27CutMeOwnThroatheh
02:54.37CutMeOwnThroatREAD... TO... THE... END... before replying
02:55.04shyam_kokay... CutMeOwnThroat ;-)
02:55.34CutMeOwnThroatyou can make the 1st script write the pid you want to kill in /tmp/somefile if you're sure nobody will block that filename
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02:57.06CutMeOwnThroatof course, $HOME .something is probably safe, there's also the program tempfile to make a proper tempfile
02:57.29CutMeOwnThroatalso... watch over it the 1st time you use it
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02:58.06CutMeOwnThroatI did the same to record a radio drama which is one hour
02:58.29CutMeOwnThroateasy to kill, as only one process of the name should be there... I think the 1st time failed quite miserably :)
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02:59.16shyam_kic.. i should get some command to track the pid of the download script.. or atleast i can do some "ps ax | sed" stuff..
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02:59.32CutMeOwnThroatkillall
02:59.34CutMeOwnThroatpkill
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03:01.15shyam_khmm.. thanks CutMeOwnThroat
03:03.05CutMeOwnThroatfor a one-entry solution, wget -b http://live.stream.mp3/ -O somefile.mp3 | grep pid |sed 's/.*pid //;s/\.$//' | /usr/bin/xargs -i bash -c 'sleep 3600; kill {}' would probably also work
03:03.12CutMeOwnThroaturgh, that's ugly :)
03:03.16CutMeOwnThroat(and i haven't tried it)
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03:04.54shyam_kokay one other question.. can i list the process that access internet ?
03:05.10shyam_ks/process/processes/
03:05.28CutMeOwnThroatlsof?
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03:06.25CutMeOwnThroatlsof | grep TCP
03:06.42tnksI'm new to Debian packaging.  Is plain debhelper the most common packaging aid?
03:06.45CutMeOwnThroatthat doesn't seem to catch listening processes, though
03:07.09shyam_kCutMeOwnThroat: cool..
03:07.17gravitytnks: Probably. Either that or cdbs.
03:07.26gravityI don't know if anyone's run the numbers recently
03:08.14stewi get 12586 for debhelper and 3238 for cdbs
03:08.34gravityWow, huge win for debhelper then
03:08.38CutMeOwnThroatshyam_k, oh, it actually catches listen, a regular user just doesn't have access
03:08.40gravityscore 1 for the good guys
03:08.43tnksgravity: okay, I saw cdbs and yada.  I was worried that the other helper packages were more hassle than help.
03:08.54stewtnks: OMG NO YADA
03:08.57gravitytnks: Stay away from yada if you want to not have other people hate you
03:08.59stewno no never no
03:09.03shyam_kCutMeOwnThroat: no problem.. am root..
03:09.09stew21 for yada
03:09.10gravityyada... I can't believe it's not dead yet
03:09.10tnksgravity: what's the biggest complaint with yada?
03:09.13shyam_kand the crontab too is for root..
03:09.15gravity21!?!?!
03:09.30CutMeOwnThroatshyam_k, but I wasn't
03:09.37gravitytnks: I've never worked with it myself, but everyone I know who's come in to contact with it hates the thing. Except the author.
03:09.38tnkswhoa. . . that's really unpopular.
03:09.51gravityI honestly can't believe that there's even 21 packages using it
03:09.53tnksstew: what did you use to crunch the numbers?
03:10.14CutMeOwnThroatshyam_k, no, regular user can use crontab (and you don't normally want root to download stuff)
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03:10.37stewtnks: apt-rbdepends () { grep-dctrl -F Build-Depends "$1" -s Package /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources ; }
03:11.07shyam_kCutMeOwnThroat: yup.. its a repo generating stuff.. mirroring the online repo.. requires to be root.
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03:11.36CutMeOwnThroatnot if you give the files to that user
03:11.56simonrvni get 24 in sid
03:11.57CutMeOwnThroatbut guess mirroring your own machines is safe, so it doesn't matter
03:12.04gravityIT'S GROWING!
03:12.40CutMeOwnThroattaking over
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03:12.45simonrvnthat's a neat little function
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03:13.27gravitysaves it to his .zshrc
03:13.48CutMeOwnThroatheh, I get 70
03:13.50simonrvnsame ;)
03:14.05gravityI don't think I use any of the yada-using packages
03:14.21CutMeOwnThroathm, so where's the 21 from
03:14.28simonrvni have in the past
03:14.33simonrvnlenny?
03:15.11CutMeOwnThroatoh, they're counted multiple ties for me...
03:15.26stewtnks: for why not.  look at the debian/rules files for somthing using yada.  i remember iceape-i10n being a good one, or fakechroot.  then compare that to a debian/rules file for a few depending on debhelper v7
03:15.33simonrvnhm, no, i get 49 in lenny
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03:15.58CutMeOwnThroatno, that+s stable+testing+unstable+experimental
03:15.59tnksstew: okay, I trust you for now.
03:16.03tnksno yada for me.
03:16.04magyarhow do i set gramebuffer in grub2?
03:16.04CutMeOwnThroat+dmm
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03:16.20simonrvnoh yeh, i do have unstable pinned really low... my bad
03:16.45CutMeOwnThroatI just got that zoo to be able to answer stuff here (well or to myself)
03:17.03UncleBobUm, where in a source package's debian/rules are the gcc compile options located?
03:17.18CutMeOwnThroatmrs. judd is nice, but I prefer apt*
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03:18.25qiyongWhat is /lib/init/rw?
03:18.56Caelummy smbd doesn't start
03:19.02Caelumand I have no log messages anywhere
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03:20.15stewtnks: (and others). i couldn't resist.  here is the debian/rules for a yada package: http://rafb.net/p/NZMPi837.html
03:20.22stewdoesn't it look simple?
03:21.54tnksstew: man. . . actually, the only reason I knew about Yada is because it's in Martin Krafft's Debian book.
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03:22.24tnkshe's not very judgemental in that book about much.
03:22.35CaelumI have no /etc/samba
03:22.36tnksso he presents yada and cdbs in similar light.
03:22.37Caelumwtf
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03:25.11simonrvnstew: WTF?! eeew
03:25.31simonrvnmy eyes burn
03:25.42epsasthe goggles do nothing
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03:26.21stewsimonrvn: actually i think some of the lines got wrapped wrong, but whatever, you get the idea
03:26.26CutMeOwnThroatit's nice!
03:26.35simonrvnshudders thinking about it
03:26.50CutMeOwnThroatreminds me of some splendid perl scripts I wrote
03:26.57WyzardLEFT_PARENTHESIS:=(
03:27.05Wyzardyada builds need a variable for a left parenthesis?
03:27.14gravitystew: Oh... my... god.
03:27.32CutMeOwnThroatWyzard, no, that's a smilie
03:27.33gravitystew: I have never seen anything so horrifying in Debian... and I've worked on mesa!
03:28.29Wyzardthough if it's generated, that may not be so bad as long as the input it's generated from is readable
03:28.43stewyeah, my rafb script converted stripped the \\ns so it should have been 3 times as many lines or so
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03:28.55gravityYeah, but one still has to read the build log at times
03:29.23stewWyzard: when you are trying to fix bugs in someone elses package, this makes it far less fun
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03:29.35gravityAnd still... debhelper is pretty transparent if you're willing to read manpages and a little perl
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03:29.38Wyzardyeah, I can imagine
03:29.47Caelumlearns that purging packages can be dangerous
03:30.02simonrvndh is beautiful compared to that
03:30.27stewi fear that dh is the new cdbs
03:30.56stewbut we'll see, i guess
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03:34.32gravitystew: I'm planning on avoiding the new 7ish features myself
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03:34.43dovie642000hi
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03:35.51maximi89hi
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03:36.01dovie642000:)
03:36.16maximi89i have a problem with partitions...
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03:36.51maximi89when i booting Linux this cant load the system partiton because it dont know where is it
03:37.34maximi89this leave me on busybox, i check if the disk are detected, yes they are... but only the partitions of one are detected...
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03:37.44maximi89the system partition nothing...
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03:39.12CutMeOwnThroatseems there are 1360 Matts
03:39.20simonrvni haven't checked out the v7 features
03:40.15streuner_hm, more idlers
03:40.20CutMeOwnThroatthat's eerie
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03:40.34CutMeOwnThroatwindows 7 and dh 7 at the same time
03:40.43CutMeOwnThroatand xorg
03:40.44maximi89any body have an idea????
03:40.55maximi89with my problem.... please
03:40.59CutMeOwnThroatmaximi89, not from your description
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03:41.14gravityCutMeOwnThroat: windows 7, dh7, and xorg?
03:41.23CutMeOwnThroat8?
03:41.34gravityI don't get it
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03:41.58CutMeOwnThroatand xorg 7
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03:42.15streuner_maximi89: /msg dpkg es
03:42.16CutMeOwnThroatversion numbers start orienting themselves to windows release cycles
03:42.21CutMeOwnThroat*shudder*
03:42.51gravityAh, I get it
03:43.09gravityI'm guessing that xorg will be there longer than the others
03:43.25gravityThere's no great impetus to go to 8 at this point
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03:43.41CutMeOwnThroatmaximi89, start from CD, check if knoppix or something sees the partitions?
03:44.15maximi89streuner what about that? the problem its when i'm booting, because this dont detect any partition, what looking on dmesg this detect the partition but they are not on /dev,  im on debian-livecd
03:44.29CutMeOwnThroatstreuner_, that was spanish?! looked like english to me!
03:44.48CutMeOwnThroatthat guy musta fooled me!
03:45.06CutMeOwnThroatwell, english-ish
03:45.14streuner_maximi89: and what does "cfdisk /dev/foo" say? Nothing at all too?
03:45.29streuner_CutMeOwnThroat: .cl
03:45.37maximi89i need to check it, i dont know what do that..
03:45.41streuner_They usually speaks spanish
03:45.56CutMeOwnThroatconcedes the point
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03:46.06maximi89what supposed to say cfdisk /dev/foo?
03:46.16CutMeOwnThroatstreuner_, but that'll be empty... only question is if ppl can communicate well enough here
03:46.19CutMeOwnThroat*shrug*
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03:46.54CutMeOwnThroatbier!
03:47.13streuner_maximi89: are they (partitions) in /etc/fstab?
03:47.13SparFuxHi all! Can I use reportbug with all it's additional information in the email, but in reply to an existing bug report?
03:48.01CutMeOwnThroatSparFux, -o file, then send it where you want/need
03:48.12SparFuxah, thx.
03:48.57maximi89streuner_: i can't load my system, so only i have the busybox for works
03:49.29maximi89i' m using grub2
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03:50.28CutMeOwnThroatyou can't boot into the life cd?
03:50.41maximi89i'm on it
03:51.31CutMeOwnThroatyou didn't answer what cfdisk gives you on the disk
03:52.11maximi89cfdisk -l_
03:52.16CutMeOwnThroatcfdisk /dev/sda or cfdisk /dev/sda  or whatever disks you're talking about
03:52.17maximi89cfdisk -l?
03:52.28streuner_or just run "fdisk -l"
03:52.39maximi89yes
03:52.46maximi89here or pastebin?
03:52.53streuner_paste.debian.net
03:53.31maximi89http://pastebin.ca/1420070
03:54.01CutMeOwnThroatlooks kinda ok?
03:54.11CutMeOwnThroatI see *lots* of partitions
03:55.11maximi89i was checking the dmesg when im booting my system and give me /dev/sda /dev/sdb5 /dev/sdb6/ /dev/sdb7 and /dev/sdc but the parttions are losted...
03:55.46maximi89what modules load linux for sata devices??
03:56.04CutMeOwnThroatdepends
03:56.29streuner_we hadnt many issues about sata HDs in the past...
03:57.06CutMeOwnThroat/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/ata/*sata*
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03:57.21CutMeOwnThroatsata_[yourchipset]
03:57.25maximi89my system works correctly before the change of size of the hdd
03:57.45maximi89after that i get not working my system
03:57.45streuner_well, what tool did you use?
03:57.50maximi89fdisk
03:57.54CutMeOwnThroatmmm
03:58.07streuner_DOH
03:58.12maximi89ah?
03:58.26maximi89difficult XD
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03:58.48maximi89if i had it  working again i will win
03:58.49maximi89XD
03:59.04streuner_restore from backup ;-)
03:59.12CutMeOwnThroatfdisk doesn't resize, it only repartitions
03:59.27maximi89yes
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03:59.33streuner_(g)parted resize, not fdisk
03:59.41maximi89but if you see the pastebin
03:59.46maximi89sda5 and sda6
03:59.48CutMeOwnThroatyes, so?
03:59.51maximi89sda5 are /boot
03:59.56maximi89and sda6 are swap
04:00.09maximi89so iget a backup of /boot
04:00.10CutMeOwnThroatdoesn't mean there's still anything readable in any of those
04:00.26Wickedis there a default wordlist/dictionary file?
04:00.38Wickedi cant seem to find one..and iirc there is one by default
04:00.42maximi89delete sda5 and 6 and resize sda5 and grubs working again
04:00.58maximi89that i made
04:01.11rhodescusmaximi89: Heh, you are just using fdisk to do that?
04:01.12CutMeOwnThroatwhich one should hold /
04:01.34CutMeOwnThroatrhodescus, only once, I suspect, only once
04:01.41maximi89yes
04:01.48maximi89i' m using fdisk only
04:02.03rhodescusmaximi89: you are not resizing the partition, you are basically deleting the definition, and writing a new one.
04:02.13rhodescusmaximi89: that's why it works when you change it back.
04:02.17streuner_well, you must use (g)parted FIRST, and then cfdisk or fdisk
04:02.38CutMeOwnThroatgparted doesn't do the whole job?
04:02.42maximi89yes and later i mkext2
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04:03.01maximi89mkfs.ext2 for sda5
04:03.26streuner_well, that data is lost
04:03.35rhodescusmaximi89: and did you copy your files back in when you did the mkfs.ext2?
04:03.38maximi89yes
04:03.42maximi89i copy the data back
04:03.44maximi89grub works
04:03.49maximi89my system dont
04:03.55CutMeOwnThroatso sda5 is supposed to be your root system?
04:04.00CutMeOwnThroat"/"?
04:04.00maximi89no
04:04.02maximi89only boot
04:04.04CutMeOwnThroatwhich one is
04:04.06maximi89/boot
04:04.08CutMeOwnThroatno
04:04.16CutMeOwnThroatthe root of your filesystem
04:04.20\amethystwhich partition is / ?
04:04.21CutMeOwnThroat<PROTECTED>
04:04.23maximi89sda5 /boot
04:04.23maximi89sda6 swap
04:04.23maximi89sda7 /
04:04.23maximi89sda8 /home
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04:04.26CutMeOwnThroat!next
04:04.27dpkgAnother happy customer leaves the building
04:04.28rhodescusmaximi89: if you change the /boot partition, you have to run update-grub
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04:05.12maximi89lol
04:05.20CutMeOwnThroatpastebin!
04:05.25rhodescusmaximi89: if you change the /boot partition, you have to run update-grub
04:05.27CutMeOwnThroat(but we only asked for sda7)
04:05.33maximi89sda5 /boot sda6 swap sda7 / sda8 /home
04:05.59CutMeOwnThroatmaximi89, mkdir -p /mnt/sda7; mount /dev/sda7 /mnt/sda7;
04:06.05maximi89yes, grubs works fine for now, i made grub-install
04:06.35maximi89yeah but how you going to do that if the system don't detect partitions on your devices
04:07.25CutMeOwnThroatit does!
04:07.25maximi89i get the hdd sda like /dev/sda but no partitions... that the reason i don' t undertand... where the lost...
04:07.35CutMeOwnThroatyou showed us fdisk -l output
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04:07.56maximi89yes, but that is of debian-live cd
04:08.26rhodescusmaximi89: so you can't boot without the live cd, you just get to the grub screen and it stops there?
04:08.41\amethystdid you install the default kernel, or build your own?
04:08.51maximi89yes that
04:09.01CutMeOwnThroathehe
04:09.14\amethystcould be a problem with the initramfs not having all the modules you need
04:09.17maximi89i can' t boot... the installed linux system
04:09.25maximi89yes maybe that
04:09.41rhodescusmaximi89: yes, probably because you changed the boot partition and didn't refresh the grub install
04:09.46maximi89how i can change from reiserfs to ext4 without lost data_
04:09.46maximi89?>
04:10.11maximi89sda5 ext2 sda7 reiserfs
04:10.24\amethystif you want to access your system, you can boot from a CD, mount sda7 and chroot into it, them mount /proc and /sys (and /boot and /home)
04:10.27maximi89in busybox i see only charged ext4
04:10.53maximi89ok, i going try that right now
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04:11.12\amethystonce you chroot into it you can build a new initramfs
04:11.25CutMeOwnThroatbooting from cd with root=/dev/sda7 should also work?
04:11.31\amethystyeah
04:11.42CutMeOwnThroat(and is perhaps a bit easier?)
04:11.44maximi89cutme that doesn't works
04:11.45\amethystyou can try that first
04:11.46maximi89i test that
04:11.49\amethystah
04:11.52\amethysthmm
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04:12.07maximi89i try all i get in my hands, i think are modules...
04:12.14rhodescusmaximi89: maybe you've played with fdisk one too many times...
04:12.47CutMeOwnThroatrhodescus, hehe... reminds me of !fire
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04:14.24CutMeOwnThroatbut that should load initramfs from cd
04:14.34CutMeOwnThroatand doesn't need /boot either
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04:19.53elikphun times
04:19.53king_crimsonnice netsplit
04:19.53elikyeah
04:19.53elikfirst time I see Debian with less than 100 users
04:19.53CutMeOwnThroatsmall one
04:19.53CutMeOwnThroatoh, you were in it :)
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04:19.53king_crimsondoes anybody have experience with lenny on an imac g3?
04:19.54CutMeOwnThroatI stayed with the odd 700
04:19.54king_crimsonit works, but X just shows a blank screen!
04:19.54king_crimsonmy imac has an ati rage128 card
04:19.54king_crimsoni tried changing the driver to "ati" but nothing still
04:19.54king_crimsoni guess it automatically did ati before i specified too
04:19.54gravityIt's the same driver
04:19.54CutMeOwnThroatthere's #debianppc
04:19.54gravityYou can try to use vesa
04:19.54king_crimsonthought so, i was just testing that
04:19.54king_crimsoni tried vesa, X can't load with it
04:19.54king_crimson:(
04:19.54elikCutMeOwnThroat, even with newer macs?
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04:20.04CutMeOwnThroatelik, no idea, never had a mac :)  (which is why I mention this)
04:20.11gravityking_crimson: You can try filing a bug. We have a guy who's pretty attentive to PPC and radeon.
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04:20.30elikCutMeOwnThroat, newer mac are on intel, for the records :P
04:20.35maximi89i going try to get another kernel on my system, Thanks Tux!
04:20.36maximi89XD
04:20.42king_crimsoni'm asking in #debianppc maybe they have an idea
04:20.48king_crimsonif not, i'll file a bug
04:20.51king_crimsonit worked great with etch
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04:21.05CutMeOwnThroatelik, yeah... I know that - I just don't know which mac-name means it's an intel one and which one is not *shrug*
04:21.11\amethystmaximi89:  try installing the debian kernel for your subarchitecture while chrooted in to your system
04:21.21CutMeOwnThroatelik, perhaps I'll better shut up in future :)
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04:21.32elikCutMeOwnThroat, hum, right, but newer macs are on amd64 right?
04:21.44elikCutMeOwnThroat, considering giving it a try with my mac :)
04:22.03king_crimsonjust wondering what changed between etch and lenny to make the screen blank
04:22.20gravityThat could be anything... the entire X stack was worked on
04:22.25gravityAs was the kernel
04:22.29king_crimsonack
04:22.36king_crimsoni'd guess the kernel isn't causing it, but who knows
04:22.42CutMeOwnThroatelik, too much extra-bucks just for a non-fresh apple imprinted somewhere
04:22.49elikking_crimson, everything..
04:22.57gravityking_crimson: DRM, the fb driver... it could be the kernel
04:23.22maximi89i' m installing 2.6.26
04:23.31maximi89i have installed 2.6.29
04:23.37king_crimsoni'm seriously wondering why vesa isn't working on that rage128 in there
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04:23.57king_crimsonafaik, the ones in the macs support vesa like the PC cards
04:24.33gravityProbably because it's PPC and needs a kernel fb driver
04:24.48CutMeOwnThroatelik, btw. SGI also uses PC hardware now...
04:24.53gravityThe fb drivers don't play nicely with the X drivers
04:24.56gravityHence KMS
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04:25.14elikCutMeOwnThroat, isn't SGI dead?
04:25.30CutMeOwnThroatelik, well, I *said* they switched to pc hardware...
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04:25.51elikstill doesn't mean they are alive :P
04:26.01CutMeOwnThroatelik, no, I mean can't be much deader than that
04:26.14eliklol
04:26.14elikok
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04:26.19eliktrue
04:26.20CutMeOwnThroatelik, http://www.sgi.com/homepage.html
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04:26.39elikit looks pretty...
04:26.58CutMeOwnThroatit's just air leaving the dead body that makes that sound, though
04:27.08CutMeOwnThroatdon't be fooled
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04:29.00CutMeOwnThroatsun also uses pc hardware...
04:29.14CutMeOwnThroathm... perhaps I didn't know apple switched to pc hardware as well
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04:29.56CutMeOwnThroateasy to confuse with the 1000 others who do
04:30.10elikCutMeOwnThroat, hehe, hard to follow the game :)
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04:31.48CutMeOwnThroatelik, but I'm going against the trend! I bought an arm-"laptop" (well really more like pda, but it runs linux - a debian-derivative so far; debian/gentoo possible)
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04:32.32elikCutMeOwnThroat, that or a ps3
04:32.51CutMeOwnThroatactually it's quite sad - even now people totally bliss out at the concept of hardware other than x86
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04:33.06djcipso - how do i get debian to install lighttpd 1.5 or newer?
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04:33.23CutMeOwnThroatlike an SGI or a sun or...
04:33.33elikaptitude install lighthttpd-1.5-or-newer
04:33.33CutMeOwnThroatjudd, versions lighthttpd
04:33.33juddCutMeOwnThroat: lighthttpd --
04:33.58oh_noes1Is there a Virtual machine edition of Debian which is small and cut down, but still supports  apt?   I was hoping for a 100Mb roughly install footprint with barebones services and ssh
04:33.59CutMeOwnThroatjudd, versions lighttpd
04:34.00juddCutMeOwnThroat: lighttpd -- etch: 1.4.13-4etch11 etch-security: 1.4.13-4etch11 etch-backports: 1.4.19-5~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.4.19-5 sid: 1.4.19-5 squeeze: 1.4.19-5
04:34.19CutMeOwnThroatseems you don't right now
04:34.22elikjudd, versions lighthttpd unstable
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04:34.23juddelik: lighthttpd --
04:34.30CutMeOwnThroat!pal elik
04:34.30dpkgpoints at elik and laughs
04:34.31elikerr, how do you check unstable?
04:34.34djcipok - how do i get unstable versions
04:34.38CutMeOwnThroatpoints upwards
04:34.45CutMeOwnThroatit's called "sid"
04:35.10elikdpkg, you're just a bot, made of bolts!
04:35.10dpkgno idea, elik
04:35.16elikdpkg, so screw you
04:35.17dpkgelik: I give up, what is it?
04:35.21elikdpkg, see, you're pointless
04:35.22dpkgbugger all, i dunno, elik
04:35.56CutMeOwnThroatdjcip, you can take a source package (apt-get source lighttpd), then go inside and plug the new code in
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04:37.06CutMeOwnThroatdamn, I made a factoid for that... is it gorn?
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04:37.27djcipwhy do i feel like that is not easy to do
04:37.33msshamscan i change file system without need to reinstall my linux? i want change ext4 to reiserfs.
04:38.51jmoncayois the defual ext FS with lenny ext4?
04:38.57simNIXif you have sufficient space free on another drive or partiton ...
04:39.03CutMeOwnThroatdjcip, apt-get source lighttpd, go in, exchange source against your version, edit changelog and add new version ; see which of the patches still apply nicely, fix/remove the rest; compile with dpkg-buildpackage
04:39.14CutMeOwnThroatroughly
04:39.16simNIXext3 = default lenny
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04:40.18jmoncayosimNIX: so i have same problem as msshams if i want to change to ext4?
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04:40.58simNIXyes
04:41.18msshamsjmoncayo: i think, don't this work! ext4 is very hangAble!
04:41.21king_crimson#debianppc is just totally dead.... maybe you guys can still help me. here's what i'm getting when i just type startx:
04:41.23king_crimson(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sun Oct 11 23:40:42 2009
04:41.23king_crimson(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
04:41.23king_crimson(WW) ****INVALID IO ALLOCATION**** b: 0xf0000400 e: 0xf00004ff correcting
04:41.23king_crimson(EE) end of block range 0xefffffff < begin 0xf0000000
04:41.23king_crimson(EE) R128(0): Cannot read V_BIOS (5)
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04:41.31jmoncayodamn it, i didnt realise ext4 when i was installing
04:41.32jmoncayo:(
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04:41.37king_crimsonhmm can't paste it
04:41.47simNIXbut if you manage your pcs correct it shouldnt be a problem .. becouse in that case theres at least one backup of everithing at another place ;0)
04:42.27king_crimsonthis seems to be the issue on the imac
04:42.29king_crimson(WW) ****INVALID IO ALLOCATION**** b: 0xf0000400 e: 0xf00004ff correcting
04:42.30jmoncayoi have backups but i just dont want to go over the internet installation again
04:42.33king_crimson(EE) end of block range 0xefffffff < begin 0xf0000000
04:42.37king_crimson(EE) R128(0): Cannot read V_BIOS (5)
04:42.39jmoncayoi have only 512kbps
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04:42.48king_crimsonAUDIT: Sun Oct 11 23:40:44 2009: 2765 X: client 6 rejected from local host (uid 65534)
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04:43.04CutMeOwnThroatdjcip, ah, also /msg dpkg rebuild from debian source or /msg dpkg package recompile  and possibly  /msg dpkg dpkg-buildpackage
04:43.19djcipo ok
04:43.31rvallesking_crimson: now how is the last line relevant...
04:43.38simNIXjmoncayo, I would use rsynce to partition by partiton sync the files to another save place - then unmount / reformat /mount / srync back ...
04:43.39king_crimsoni don't know if it is or isn't
04:43.41king_crimsonsorry
04:43.43simNIX*rsync
04:43.44rvallessigh
04:43.56rvalleswe've seen errors earlier, so it's obvious X doesn't get to start
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04:44.10king_crimsonok sorry but you're wasting more lines bitchin about it :)\
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04:44.59rvalleshow rude...
04:45.05CutMeOwnThroatdjcip, your "changes" are just a little bigger, as you replace the whole source tree with a new version (which is why you'll have to probably fix the debian patches)
04:45.28simNIXjmoncayo, maybe also have a look at lvm - ive not used it myself but with it you can expand partitons later while files in place
04:45.41rvallesit looks to me that support for r128 outside x86 is crap, like mach64's
04:45.51king_crimsoni apologize... back to the errors though, it can't read the BIOS i wonder if it's looking in the wrong place
04:45.54jmoncayosimNIX: i dont like lvm too much.
04:46.02CutMeOwnThroatelik, hell... is there anything not x86 based (except embedded stuff)?
04:46.05rvallesdid try hard to make one of those work on sparc, without meeting success
04:46.05simNIXk - bad experiences w it ?
04:46.06jmoncayosimNIX: i only have one 2 partitions, swap and root
04:46.07king_crimsonrvalles: that might be it... did work in etch but oh well... maybe i'll file a bug
04:46.49king_crimsonnot familiar enough with imac ppc architecture to know if that memory pointer it gave is where the video BIOS actually is
04:46.50rvallesking_crimson: probably upstream's fault, but filing a bug's a good idea (they'll handle interaction with upstream if needed)
04:46.59king_crimsonwhat is upstream?
04:47.01simNIXjmoncayo, then a Linux boot cd would be handy to rsync (if needed over ssh to another box) the /
04:47.15simNIXthen reformat and reverse
04:47.23rvallesking_crimson: Xorg
04:47.47rvallesking_crimson: upstream are the projects that debian then packages with tweaks.
04:47.59king_crimsonah gotcha
04:48.15king_crimsoni've been using debian for 4 years, i should know stuff like this
04:48.38rvallesking_crimson: Basically bugs can be on the packaging (debian)... or in the software that is packaged itself (upstream).
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04:49.58rvallesupstream doesn't normally like to receive bugs that at the end are the fault of the distro and not theirs, so stuff is usually filed in distros' bugzilla, and those do contact upstream if needed (or tell the reporter to)
04:49.58jmoncayosimNIX: i will think about it, i will get some reading in ext4 to decide if it will be worth the change
04:50.38rvallesso in the event of doubt, file @ distro.
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04:50.50king_crimsoni think i'm going to try a livecd or two on that imac... maybe one will have a working X. i can try copying it's xorg.conf if i can find one.
04:50.55rvalles(tho this one is highly likely upstream)
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04:51.16rvallesking_crimson: imho if you need strange options at all it's a bug already
04:51.31king_crimsoni will def. file a bug as well though yes i agree, there is a problem
04:51.36rvallestelling X the driver to use is "r128" is already helping it too much... it should be able to figure it out on its own.
04:51.40jmoncayosimNIX: does lenny support ext4 by default?
04:51.43king_crimsonthis was a fresh lenny install
04:52.02king_crimsoni haven't isntalled anything extra or toyed with it before i found it not working
04:52.06king_crimsonso yes i'll file
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04:52.44rvalles(with current X.org, one can mostly run without an xorg.conf at all... the only pain is setting up keyboard layout, which can be done by gnome/kde anyways, but there's some way to do it at hald level)
04:53.07king_crimsoni just let dpkg deal with the keyboard layout
04:53.10rvallesand I guess I should get back at my work...
04:53.16rvallesis procrastinating too much...
04:53.16oh_noes1is there a deb based distro, targetted for Virtual Machines (lean, cutdown, etc).  That ISNT Ubuntu JeOS?
04:53.18king_crimsonthanks for the help
04:53.24rvallesyou're welcome
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04:54.39king_crimsonGOT IT!! it's working, i found somebody else's xorg.conf on a forum who had the same issue.
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04:54.45king_crimsonhe had to deal with it quite a bit to fix it.
04:54.49king_crimsoner edit it i mean
04:54.55king_crimsoni'll submit the bug with a working xorg.conf to help them
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04:55.51palluhello all of you
04:56.01palluhow do i download a precompiled kernel?
04:56.02jmoncayohello
04:56.37jmoncayoaptitude search linux-image
04:56.37kingsleyIs there a general consensus that mysql is better than postgresql, or vica versa?
04:56.42mick_laptoppallu: apt-cache search kernel -- then just apt-get/aptitude install ...
04:57.01CutMeOwnThroatsqlite!
04:57.10king_crimsoni've always been a fan of mysql
04:57.14pallui need to install an nvidia
04:57.18palludrivers
04:57.19mick_laptopkingsley: that is a religious question
04:57.19CutMeOwnThroat!start a database war
04:57.20dpkgmysql is overrated
04:57.24CutMeOwnThroatha!
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04:57.45mick_laptoppallu: then you most likely only need the kernel headers
04:57.47kingsleyking_crimson: Can you elaborate?
04:58.05jmoncayo!tell pallu nvidia
04:58.11CutMeOwnThroatabout!
04:58.19king_crimsonkingsley: not really, just personal preference... it works nicely so i keep it.
04:58.21jmoncayohahaha
04:58.28jmoncayo!tell pallu about nvidia
04:58.29jmoncayo?
04:58.30CutMeOwnThroat!tell me everything
04:58.35maiekPostgresql should be considered the victor given the disadvantage of its name
04:58.40CutMeOwnThroathehe
04:58.40jmoncayocool
04:58.41jmoncayo=]
04:58.42jmoncayohehe
04:58.47CutMeOwnThroat<dpkg> No, cutmeownthroat, I won't. (target invalid?)
04:58.56king_crimsonmaiek: i agree haha
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04:58.59pallunvidia 9800GS 512MB
04:59.29mick_laptopi've used mysql for many years - their new overlords freak me out though
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04:59.45maiek"they called it what? and people still use it? It must be good..."
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05:00.12king_crimsonoh man, that 9 year old imac SCREAMS with a base install of lenny, then and apt-get install xserver-xorg lxde...... as compared to when i was using KDE with etch, it was awful. gotta love lxde man.
05:00.17king_crimsonsooo slick and fast
05:00.41CutMeOwnThroatit's a desktop-environment
05:00.45CutMeOwnThroatdoesn't believe
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05:00.59CutMeOwnThroatONLY relative to kde/gnome
05:01.05king_crimsonCutMeOwnThroat: a desktop environment that is 2435982387234x less cluttered and resource-hogging as KDE
05:01.15CutMeOwnThroatq.e.d.
05:01.32king_crimsoni was a KDE fanboy before i tried it
05:01.40jmoncayoi love fluxbox
05:01.41jmoncayo=]
05:01.42jmoncayo:D
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05:02.01mischief6is sid == squeeze?
05:02.06CutMeOwnThroatfvwm2... perhap openbox or aewm some time
05:02.10shivrajcould always use a better de
05:02.16CutMeOwnThroatmischief6, no, sid is sid...
05:02.25shivraja 9 years old imac, yikes, ..
05:02.27rvallesking_crimson: lxde looks nice... too bad they went with gtk2
05:02.27DrkShadowI'm trying to mount a mad drive to get _some_ data off it.. it won't mount ext3, even read only, because it tries to recover the damn journal. I can't mount ext2, even read-only, because it has the needs_recovery flag set. What can I do?
05:02.28CutMeOwnThroatsid == unstable ; squeeze == testing
05:02.42jmoncayorvalles: whats the problem with gtk2?
05:02.43mick_laptopking_crimson: i was a kde fanboy before 4.x -- :)
05:02.55rvallesthere are nicer tks out there
05:02.57CutMeOwnThroatDrkShadow, magicrescue?
05:03.03mischief6CutMeOwnThroat, well, on my eeepc i have squeeze, and i want to add the eeepc repos
05:03.03rvallesspecially for lightweight stuff
05:03.12mischief6but there is stable and sid, which should i use?
05:03.27CutMeOwnThroatmischief6, did you see <CutMeOwnThroat> sid == unstable ; squeeze == testing
05:03.38mischief6yes i did
05:03.42DrkShadowcutmeownthroat: considering the data isn't bad, and likely neither is the file system, that's a pretty sorry solution.. no offense. Just pissed at Linux.. again.
05:03.43jmoncayotesttin
05:03.44mischief6and i am asking which should i choose?
05:04.01DrkShadowcan't even use debugfs on the FS
05:04.23CutMeOwnThroatDrkShadow, the drive is dying, but everything is ok? suuuure
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05:04.42CutMeOwnThroatDrkShadow, and magicrescue doesn't mount it
05:04.47mick_laptopDrkShadow: tune2fs can take it out
05:04.50DrkShadowcutmeown: not everything, surely. But I'm willing to bet enough of it is. They're read/write errors, not data corruption so far.
05:04.58DrkShadowmick: how? it's not in the man page.
05:05.07CutMeOwnThroatDrkShadow, mount ro, then?
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05:05.20DrkShadowcutmeown: it tries journal recovery. Even ro.
05:05.28mick_laptopDrkShadow: tune2fs -O^has_journal /dev/hdX
05:05.40DrkShadowmick: .. I have to kill the journal entirely? egh :-P
05:05.46DrkShadowwill do
05:05.56mick_laptopyou can bring it back w/ -j
05:06.09CutMeOwnThroatmick_laptop, I kinda got the feeling he won't need it :)
05:06.18DrkShadowagrees with cutmeown..
05:06.30mick_laptop:)
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05:06.47mick_laptopjust didnt want to hear the banter :)
05:06.54DrkShadows'pose I was hoping I could dd the drive to another.. but I guess if I can tar up relevant data..
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05:07.22mick_laptopozzy :)
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05:07.46mick_laptopthe only reason i know that was because of the movie Hackers
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05:08.16DrkShadowozzy?
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05:08.30king_crimsonshivraj: yes it's an old imac... it's not exactly cutting edge, but it makes for a nice small computer to throw in the basement for some web browsing and IM type stuff
05:08.36mrbnetI have a fresh install of Lenny. PHP5 command line interface just hangs and won't run any code. Any suggestions?
05:08.44king_crimsondoes the job. i upgraded it to 512 MB anyway, it's alright.
05:08.58DrkShadowtune2fs -f: The needs_recovery flag is set.  Please run e2fsck before clearing the has_journal flag.
05:09.00DrkShadowNext...
05:09.07DrkShadowfucking hates linux most of the time
05:09.07shivrajm
05:09.08mick_laptopDrkShadow: google ozzy
05:09.24shivrajking_crimson: lxde isnt that bad .. but I have a feeling I will be switching back to gnome
05:09.30king_crimsonDrkShadow: real men like their computing to be a pain in the ass
05:09.47king_crimsonshivraj: i never liked gnomes UI... couldn't really ever get into that wm
05:09.50mick_laptopDrkShadow: just run e2fsck then
05:09.56DrkShadowking: I suppose I'm about ready to look up the superbloc structure and set it myself...
05:10.00mick_laptopnoone is forcing you to use linux
05:10.05DrkShadowmick: it errors. IO errors, the drive becomes unaccessible.
05:10.10palluim lost i don't remember how i did it last time
05:10.12mick_laptopah
05:10.14DrkShadowit just doesn't work.
05:10.26mischief6on my eeepc i have squeeze, and i want to add the eeepc repos. should i add the stable or the sid repo?
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05:10.32DrkShadoweven debugfs restores journal on the read only drive. Why don't these utilities understand read-only?
05:10.39ManojDrkShadow: unmount the partition, run fsck on it.
05:10.53DrkShadowmanoj: your unobservance is astounding.
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05:11.20wsxwshi all :)
05:12.36jmoncayomischief6: add the testing
05:12.51mick_laptopDrkShadow:  debugfs -w -R "feature ^has_journal ^needs_recovery" /dev/hdX e2fsck -f /dev/hdX
05:13.05mick_laptopDrkShadow: let me know if that helps
05:13.07mischief6jmoncayo, it's okay to mix the eeepc testing with regular squeeze?
05:13.25DrkShadowmick: with -w or even read-only, it tries to restore the journal, which makes the disk inaccessible.
05:13.47jmoncayoi think CutMeOwnThroat said squeeze == testing
05:13.53mick_laptop:-/
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05:14.19DrkShadowmick: what pisses me off is that when I explicitly state _read_only_ absolutely _everything_ is trying to write to the drive..
05:14.32DrkShadowthat seems like a pretty serious bug.
05:14.35mick_laptopyou need rw mode to remove the journal
05:14.41mick_laptopis it mouunted?
05:14.53DrkShadowI can't mount it. It tries to restore the journaly.
05:14.54mcrandellohey guys is there a way to configure a system which was, say, halted at the install phase around grub installation without having to reinstall
05:15.13DrkShadowmcrandello: boot to live CD, chroot into the system, re setup greb.
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05:15.21DrkShadowcan't spell any more.
05:15.32mcrandelloDrkShadow, done, I had to install grub2 for it to work
05:15.44mcrandelloat this point I'm booted into a pretty much uncofigured system
05:16.05mick_laptopDrkShadow: i actually meant that you shouldn't mount it
05:16.11mcrandelloset root password, got rid of the fake_start_stop daemon thing and unborked apt
05:16.17DrkShadowmcrandello: ah... I get it. You'll need to get the grub config.. but I don't have an example for you.
05:16.25mcrandellogrubs fine now
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05:16.37DrkShadowmick: so far, I've only ever tried to mount it read only.. but it hasn't succeeded.
05:16.45DrkShadowmcrandello: also a mkinitrd
05:17.11mick_laptopDrkShadow: ok, crazy idea.... dd the drive to another place -- then see if you can work with those files
05:17.12DrkShadowoh... so you can boot into it.
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05:17.22DrkShadowmcrandello: well, after that.. I dunno ;-)
05:17.31mcrandellohaha wonderful :^)
05:17.34DrkShadowmick: ... egh.. I don't have 40 gigs free :-( :-P
05:17.46mick_laptopit was just an idea
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05:17.58DrkShadowmick: yeah.. considering. I'm wondering about e2image..
05:18.00mcrandelloat least I have a system, it's just going to take forever to figure out what sysinstall didn't get done
05:18.22DrkShadowmcrandello: exactly. I'd install over top of it, at the least. Format if you can.
05:18.36mick_laptopeven better
05:19.09mick_laptopthen just use dumpe2fs
05:19.46mcrandelloDrkShadow, here's the thing, the install always bombs out with a grub fatal error and I can't get past that
05:20.11mick_laptopmcrandello: bad install media?
05:20.14mcrandelloso even if I reinstall over what I have it's going to be unconfigured and possibly bork up the working grub2
05:20.30mcrandellothis is some debian based multimedia system 64studio
05:20.42mick_laptopi had something similar once and it turned out that my media was off
05:20.47mcrandellothey did something bad with their install image I think, hda came up as hdi
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05:21.13mcrandelloand grub was complaining it couldn't find a corresponding bios device
05:21.18mick_laptopalso custom stuff isnt really supported
05:21.26mcrandellogrub2 loved that stuff though
05:21.28mick_laptopie. "debian based...
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05:21.46mcrandellomick_laptop, sorry for even bringing it up here
05:22.00mcrandellowas hoping there was some standard fix from debian that would apply there
05:22.12mcrandellotheir irc channel is dead dead dead
05:22.19mcrandelloand no forums, only a mailing list
05:22.37mick_laptopeh no problem -- just dont think that there will be much help since we cant really reproduce the issue
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05:23.08mick_laptopand the custom stuff usually has specific issues to their stuff
05:23.13mcrandellooh yeah
05:23.58DrkShadowmcrandello: you could have a card reader. Windows sometimes recognizes the hard drive as like H if it detects a USB card reader first. Similarly, grub will fail if you try to installl it to a USB device..
05:24.10mcrandellohrm
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05:24.53DrkShadowif you do.. and you can't remove it.. we disabled USB in the bios ;-)
05:25.10mcrandelloheh
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05:25.16mcrandelloonly three ide drives on here
05:25.22glickshey does anyone here use ekiga?
05:25.34glickswas wondering if someone could help me test my install/config
05:25.56glicksit seems to detect my webcam
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05:26.04glicksbut beyond that i dont know if it works to place calls
05:27.27ananthgsany clue as to how to get the mic working in debian lenny
05:27.28ananthgs?
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05:27.52jmoncayoglicks: you can test it locally i guess, just click the webcam, and it will start, and then call the test center
05:27.52ananthgsmy mic seems to be not working or the voice is very feeble
05:27.55jmoncayo=]
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05:28.06ananthgsi dont see any hardware problem
05:28.06glickswhen i call the echo test it doesnt do anything
05:28.10glicksit just says call completed
05:28.19jmoncayoananthgs: i think it is muted by defaulr
05:28.19glicksbut i cant seem to actually call anyone
05:28.25ananthgsany idea folks?
05:28.39ananthgsdefaulr??
05:28.41ananthgswhat is it?
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05:29.37jmoncayoit is muted by defualt sorry
05:29.41ananthgsi dont have any thing like that...are u referring to the recorder default source?
05:29.42jmoncayodefault*
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05:30.43ananthgsi dont seem to hear any voice...if i try to record using audacity or when using sound recorder
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05:31.13jmoncayoananthgs: are u using gnome?
05:31.18ananthgsyep
05:31.31ananthgsu want me to try kde?
05:31.37ananthgshow does that matter?
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05:32.36jmoncayoin the right top corner double click the sound icon
05:32.50jmoncayoand check if your mic is muted
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05:33.34ananthgsi used kmix
05:33.46ananthgsit is showing capture in red color
05:33.58ananthgshow do i make it green? or unmute it?
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05:35.36ryanCHwhen i have desktop effects enabled movies that i watch play very choppy and slow
05:35.51ryanCHwhy!?!? :'(
05:36.27ryanCHit's gotta be my video card, i believe
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05:50.27Zintasi just did a fresh install of squeeze, and i'm having trouble getting xorg to run (gdm, gnome), for when i issue the command: /etc/init.d/gdm start it starts up gdm, but both the keyboard and mouse don't work, though i can use ctrl+alt+f<keys> to get to a different tty - can anyone help me?
05:52.43Zintasi also tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but it only allows me to select keyboard settings, no mouse or video driver (different from what i remember), having done that i still cannot get my keyboard nor mouse to work...
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05:57.48cXYZCan somebody help me with getting iptables working on 2.6.29 ? I compiled my own kernel with every single iptables option i could find and while iptables is working it is returning errors when I pass certain lines that worked on a previous kernel.
05:58.51jmoncayoZintas: try X -configure
05:59.16Zintasjmoncayo, that is the command?
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05:59.54glicksanyone with ekiga and a webcam that can call me so i can verify that it works?
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06:01.14Zintasjmoncayo, wow nice, never knew that command before, however, it didn't work - still no mouse nor keyboard working, though i can still use the ctrl+alt+f<keys> to get to a different tty
06:03.09qiyongis it wisdom to use the entire disk as / for several Ts and with lvm?
06:03.42mick_laptopglicks: depends on a lot of factors
06:03.43jmoncayoZintas: it is really useful
06:04.04mick_laptopqiyong: desktop? server? if server, wht kind
06:04.21jmoncayoglicks: are u a chick? around 19-23 years old?
06:04.22glickson what mikearthur
06:04.24jmoncayo=]
06:04.25qiyongmick_laptop: server, file share, ftp, web etc
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06:04.30glicksuhhh sure jmoncayo
06:04.34glicksuh... i mean yes
06:04.36glicksYES
06:04.38jmoncayolol
06:04.42glicksand naked
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06:04.52Zintasjmoncayo, yeah i can see that, it seems to have detected my mouse, and video driver, but nothing about keyboard... what do you think is going on?
06:05.58glicksim not a gay kiddie predetor looking to pick up 13 year olds on #debian, just trying to see if my ekiga conncection works
06:06.00jmoncayomaybe you could go play with the xorg.conf file
06:06.06mick_laptopqiyong: keep them separate
06:06.07glickssay "hi", a wave
06:06.09glicksand hang up
06:06.19mick_laptopso things like log files dont run rampant
06:06.21jmoncayoi was joking
06:06.41jmoncayoin the device section of your keyboard
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06:07.30vinc456Hello, does anybody have any ideas on how I can convert raw videos to avi's?
06:07.43qiyongmick_laptop: reasons?
06:08.04Zintasjmoncayo, i guess...
06:08.05mick_laptopqiyong: the conventional thought of splitting /var etc
06:08.15vinc456I used dvgrab to transfer a movie from my camcorder to the computer and needed to capture the data as raw. Unfortunately the files are very large now.
06:08.41glickswhats better songbird or rhythmbox?
06:08.53mick_laptopone example: if something happens and logs start filling up like crazy - then only a partition gets hosed (/var) instead of the whole drive
06:08.57glickswhich one will suport my ipod
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06:09.20vinc456Nm, think I found a solution.
06:09.20vinc456ls
06:09.31mick_laptopglicks: try both - both support my ipod
06:09.39mick_laptopi like songbird more
06:09.47glickshmm songbird eh?
06:09.51mick_laptopbut that is just a personal pref
06:10.07mick_laptopmy friend likes rhythmbox more
06:11.02mick_laptopvinc456: look up "transcode raw avi ffmpeg"
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06:17.01wsxwsdoes anybody know how to stop mc from writing a history-file ?
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06:25.23SPFhomewsxws: what about changing the storage file from ~/.mc_history to /dev/null ?
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06:29.52wsxwsvery bad idea, if my changes the right of historyfile to 600, /dev/null becomes changed too, and this is 'bad'
06:30.06wsxwsi found another, riskfree, way
06:30.57wsxwsi simply put 'echo "" > ~/.mc/history' in ~/.bash_logout
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06:31.50hacker_kidcan i setup a software raid from the lenny netinstall disc or do i have to do that after installation?
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06:32.32wsxwswhat kind of raid ?
06:32.33claintyou can do it from netinstall. or after, as you wish.
06:32.45wsxwsraid 1 can be installed at everytime ie
06:32.53claintyeha raid1 that is
06:32.57hacker_kidclaint, im not seeing how, do you have a document handy
06:33.03hacker_kidyes im setting up simple raid1
06:33.18claintchoose manual partitioning
06:33.25wsxwslike we sad, you can setup or remove raid one at every time
06:33.25hacker_kidthats where i am
06:33.28claintyou have to create the raid drives first
06:33.36claintup on the menu somewhere
06:33.41hacker_kidalright
06:33.44wsxwsah
06:34.03claintbasically it goes like this
06:34.12wsxwsjust create the same partition on the mirror-hdd
06:34.14claintfirst create the partitions, and make them of type raid
06:34.26wsxwsand using cfdisk u can set this partiton to autodetect
06:34.56glickshey does anyone know what ports i need to open to support file transfer aim on pidgin?
06:35.04hacker_kidwsxws, as in create an identical partition mounted to the same point?
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06:35.28claintby the way, I am getting an error with my sata drive, that I couldn't find the cause of. Perhaps someone will help here, Anyone know what action 0x6 is? http://paste.linuxassist.net/214862
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06:40.59maxagazit seems that the module of my video controller is not installed, how can i be sure of that ? although i can't find help on the net for this pci controller: 05:04.0 Multimedia video controller: JumpTec h, GMBH Unknown device 6804 (rev 10)
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06:42.01palluhello all of you
06:42.07palluhow can i install firefox?
06:42.33stewpallu: aptitude install iceweasel
06:43.33harpalhow can I get cpu load on command line? not using top
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06:44.42claintcat /proc/loadavg
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06:47.29harpalclaint: Thanks a lot
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06:56.23oh_noesis it possible to delete delete/flush/purge the cache inside /var/cache?   I've installed sun-java-jdk but want to reclaim the 135MB the deb file is taking up
06:56.46claintyeah
06:56.52boltapt-get clean
06:56.53claintapt-get autoclean
06:56.57claintor clean
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06:57.15Kamping_Kaiseroh_noes, both of the above, just remember they work slightly differently
06:57.23claintlook up the man page for the difference
06:57.23Kamping_Kaiser(see manual for differences)
06:57.29Kamping_Kaiserhah. snap
06:57.46claint;p
06:57.51Kamping_Kaiser:)
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07:05.45claintquit i better get to work, i'll find about this sata error some other time.
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07:17.45rmrfchikhi. I have keyboard with additional keys and "sleep" among them. I used to use "sleep" to lock my screen (with help of hotkeys application). New acpid catch the "sleep" button and suspend my box to ram.
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07:18.10rmrfchikIs there way to disable acpi reactions?
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07:21.36Supaplexrmrfchik: /etc/acpi/* I suppose.
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07:22.37mustuI've deleted files from my NTFS partition but it's still not showing the space it made available... ia lso tried df-h /..
07:23.25Supaplexmustu: are there any processes holding filehandles on the deleted files?
07:23.32rmrfchikSupaplex: editing the scripts?
07:23.56glickshey what p2p filesharing app/network do you guys recommend?
07:23.58Supaplexrmrfchik: I haven't ventured to reconfigure it.
07:23.59glicksnon bittorrent
07:24.04glicksim looking for arabic music
07:24.10glicksnothing RIAA would give a shit about
07:24.14Supaplex!tell glicks -about search
07:24.15mustuSupaplex: Nope they were just Debian DVD ISO Images occupying 12 GB .. still showing just 1.9 GB free..
07:24.24rmrfchikSupaplex: ah, you're maintainer? ;)
07:24.35glicksi know the ones that exist Supaplex
07:24.41glicksim asking which one is generally recommended
07:24.45glicksdpkg cant tell me that
07:24.45dpkgglicks: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
07:24.52Supaplexglicks: okay.
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07:25.26stewglicks: none are recommended for stealing music, regardless of the RIAA
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07:25.36Supaplexmustu: odd. sometimes I've seen this happen on ext3, even if nothing's holding filehandles on them. once I even unmounted and rebooted, to none effect.
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07:25.43glicksstew im looking for arabic tunes that i cant get here
07:25.52Supaplexglicks: there's always popcon
07:26.05glickspopcon?
07:26.09Supaplex!popcon
07:26.09dpkgrumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank).  Install the popularity-contest package to participate.  See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/
07:26.17mustuSupaplex: so what to do.. I've lost my 12 Gigs
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07:28.51bluefoxxSo I'm thinking I'm liking debian combined with the openbox desktop here, having just tossed it onto an otherwise useless g4 mac of mine to screw with, I'm convinced I want to install it on my laptop now. Question however is, where might I find an ISO of debian that uses openbox as the default WM?
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07:29.24Supaplexbluefoxx: why not aptitude install openbox    and call it good?
07:29.25harpalhow to get CPU usage on command line?
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07:29.33Supaplexharpal: uptime
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07:30.08bluefoxxSupaplex: Well that's what I did with the g4 I'm screwing with now, but it gets messy and tries to use the metacity stuff here and there...
07:30.25harpalSupaplex: it shows me load average, I want CPU Usage, means 100% CPU is used or 5%
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07:30.31Supaplexload average is utilization x cpus. 2.00 == two cpus fully in use, or two processes running on one cpu with enough demand to really want two.
07:30.39Supaplexhumm...
07:31.06bluefoxxTop shows CPU usage IIRC
07:31.22Supaplextop -n 1 | grep -i ^cpu
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07:32.28harpalSupaplex: ya Thanks a lot
07:32.44Supaplexnp
07:32.49bluefoxxI'm wanting a copy of Debian using openbox out of the box because just installing it from synaptic doesn't seem to bring with it anything in way of a file manager for it, or a dock/panel and such...
07:34.10Supaplexso this is more of you wanting other stuff bundled with it, and not so much lack of network access to fetch packages?
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07:35.21bluefoxxMe wanting to know if there is such a disk, or at the least a metapackage for openbox...
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07:35.47mustuSupaplex: could ntfsfix help?
07:35.54bluefoxxMetapackages are nice, install one package and it checks off all the others you want (like codecs and such).
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07:38.09bluefoxxNothing of the sort huh?
07:39.34Supaplexbluefoxx: apt-cache search openbox   has a few possibilities. none appear to be metapackages.
07:40.06bluefoxxI didn't see any when I initially did it, but thought there might be an off-chance I missed it somehow...
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07:41.36Supaplexthere's a docker, and a preferences thingie in etch.  I so should push this box to lenny. :p
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07:46.13KilominhaHi I'm using third party modules for my raid on which debian boots upon, because of this I dont want debian to update my kernel when I run apt-get dist-upgrade, is there a way for me to supress the specific package?
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07:47.43stewKilominha: aptitude hold '~i~nlinux-image'
07:48.01stewKilominha: oh wait, that won't help if you are an apt-get user.  "/msg dpkg hold"
07:48.14stewKilominha: you want to put packages named "linux-image-*" on hold
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07:48.42stewKilominha: (and maybe linux-modules-* packages as well)
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07:51.43mininathi debcom ! i've joined few mailinglists of debian and didn't receive any comfirmation request or post for days, this 2 times (i've tried again after a few days, and still nothing...). Anybody have an idea of what may be the issue ?
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07:55.47mininatis it the wrong channel to ask my question ?
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07:56.38Supaplexouu! a customer!
07:56.50Supaplexwhat do we do again? oh yeah. the day shift is asleep. :(
07:57.07macsim`workhi, I'm unable to find back /usr/share/trac/cgi-bin/trac.cgi on my debian, I reinstall trac but the file is not there, where can I find it ? thanks
07:57.11Supaplexmininat: no, it's not the wrong question, perhaps a different time of day will provide more answers. try again later?
07:57.29Supaplexmacsim`work: apt-file search trac.cgi  ?
07:58.06macsim`workSupaplex, nothing :/
07:58.13mininatsupaplex: thx. I'd rather try an other continent :)
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08:00.05Supaplexmacsim`work: I assume you have main contrib and non-free in sources.list?
08:00.21Supaplexand did a apt-file update... I assume so, but *shrug*
08:00.21Kilominhathanks stew, I'll look into it!
08:00.22macsim`workSupaplex, yes
08:00.30macsim`workSupaplex, yes yes ;)
08:00.31Supaplexhumm. I'm stumped.
08:00.32slobad23is the LPI worth having? or are there better certs to go for like RHCE?
08:00.35macsim`work:/
08:00.48macsim`workSupaplex, I gonna ask on #trac thanks for your help
08:01.20Supaplexnote to self. apt-cache search trac ... gives lots and lots of results. EOLOAD. :P
08:02.07glickshey has anyone used amazons mp3 downloader?
08:02.11glicksis it safe for my system
08:02.14glicks?
08:02.17Kamping_Kaisermacsim`work, should the file exist?
08:02.34Zharfglicks, why would you pay to download mp3s
08:02.48mininat:)
08:03.06glicksZharf, cause im too lazy to look for each individual song of this album
08:03.09glicksits not common shit
08:03.15mustuv
08:03.17mustuntfs is still not showing the accurate free space. did a ntfsfix also!
08:03.24Supaplexyea, it's the cornless shit.
08:03.31mininattry .zip search with album title, no ?
08:03.34macsim`workKamping_Kaiser, yes the file exist before, I don't know why it not here anymore
08:03.35Supaplex~lart ntfs
08:03.35aptfarts in ntfs's general direction
08:03.46Zharfglicks, my point is that you'll pay for overpriced, intentionally lowered quality crap :)
08:04.01Zharfglicks, buy a CD rather
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08:04.13Kamping_Kaisermacsim`work, perhaps its been renamed/superceded
08:04.35glicksits 256kbit encoded mp3 Zharf
08:04.42glicksthats what id rip it as
08:04.57macsim`workKamping_Kaiser, maybe, I did a find / -name 'trac.cgi' but I can't find it
08:05.45Zharfglicks, it's still lossy encoding
08:06.06Supaplexmacsim`work: apt-file search trac.cgi on etch shows 'trac'. what's dpkg -L trac | pager   show?
08:06.40glicksso Zharf the quality is good enough
08:06.48Supaplexglicks: don't worry. Zharf only buys .flac encoded tracks. ;)
08:06.51Zharfonly perfect is good enough
08:07.02ZharfSupaplex, I don't buy tracks, I only buy CDs
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08:07.16Supaplexoh wow! ;) means "for real". not.
08:07.23glicksSupaplex, you think the amazon mp3 downloader is cool?
08:07.24Zharfthen I rip them as flac :)
08:07.43Supaplexglicks: I think it's a pain in the /dev/anus because they only have i386 support.
08:07.46Zharfbut at least I have a real copy of it
08:08.09glicksyou dont have an i386 machine Supaplex ?
08:08.15SupaplexZharf: I almost lost mine on p2p networks. then I stole it back. ;)
08:08.23Zharfahah
08:08.23Supaplexnope. amd64 here.
08:08.37SupaplexZharf: bash.org quote :)
08:08.40ZharfI know
08:08.42glicksok, i guess if you guys say i can trust the software
08:08.44glicksill give it a shot
08:08.52jelly-homeif only amd64 kernel had an i386 compatibility layer!
08:09.29SupaplexI'm a pureist. why allow x86 code to even live? :)
08:09.43jelly-homebecause it's smaller and often faster
08:09.45Zharfwhy allow amd* to live
08:10.03Supaplexperhaps
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08:14.14glickswow,. its not bad
08:14.49Zharfbecause silly people pay for mp3s, the world will never change for the better
08:14.58ZharfI know some people who think mp3 is lossless
08:15.01Zharfit's really sad
08:15.39Zharfat least some artists have realised this and sell flacs
08:16.05jelly-homepays for 320kbps mp3s and sees nothing wrong about it
08:16.06flaccidflac or og ftw
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08:17.42Zharfif there was no other way to get the albums I wanted, I'd be willing to pay maybe 2€ per album of mp3s
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08:18.51flaccidmp3 is fine for commerical if vendors abide by licensing
08:19.03jelly-homejust say you prefer stealing and leave it at that
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08:19.25Zharfjelly-home, no, I prefer actually buying the CD
08:19.53jelly-homethat works too, but those are clumsy
08:19.54sepyou are going to break into a recordstore and run off with a bunch of cd's
08:19.55sep?
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08:20.13Zharfjelly-home, I rip them as flac and store them in a safe place :)
08:20.22Zharfsep, :D
08:20.39flaccidjelly-home no im referring to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Licensing_and_patent_issues
08:20.59flaccidlicense of the code, not the mechanical rights
08:21.03jelly-homeZharf: I'm too deaf to appreciate lossless, consider yourself lucky
08:21.06flaccidcodec i mean
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08:21.32jelly-homeflaccid: sorry, I wasn't replying to you
08:21.37flaccidk
08:21.42Zharf:)
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08:49.07vimpulseSuzu:  hi
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08:52.51doudouCan i connect to debian ssh server with a phone, and what phone should i buy?
08:53.58joltcandoudou: To do what? SSH? File transfers? Send receive SMS?
08:54.11Guerindoudou: any phone with a ssh client. Ask your friendly local google.
08:54.17Suzuany modern phone that can handle java applets
08:54.37Suzuyour maine concern would be having a decent keyboard and a big screen
08:54.41Suzu-e
08:54.49doudouwant to have wterm to use vi
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08:55.02Guerindoudou: you have my condolences
08:55.13doudoumy firend google is always telling me bulshits
08:55.42doudoui want only xterm, is it possible on all symbian phones?
08:56.19doudouSuzu, thanks
08:57.02doudousupposing i dont like java, is there another way? xtem vi mainly
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08:57.28Suzui don't know much about native ssh clients on mobile phones, but if it can run j2ee applets, you have plenty of nice java clients to run
08:57.57Suzuthe other way is finding a native client for your phone, it should exist too
08:57.59liabletheres a putty client for phones
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09:02.31doudouliable, thanks, i found answers with putty
09:02.46doudoucan i run xwindows on a phone?
09:03.17azeem_doudou: depends on the phone
09:03.24azeem_doudou: does it run Debian?
09:04.49doudoui did not bought it yet, i found a phone running on debian, but it is not sold here
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09:05.10vimpulsedoudou:  If you want to use vi on a phone, one option might be to find a phone that can run vi.  :)  Maybe the iPhone can run jsvi or vian.
09:05.21doudoui read we can connect to debian machines with cgywin
09:05.24vimpulseOr try to compile and run a native vi on some phone.
09:06.05doudouvimpulse, i have a confusion, if i can have a ssh session from my phone, i can launch vi command then??
09:06.19azeemdoudou: if vi is installed on the phone
09:06.45petemcno, the phone only needs a ssh client, the host needs vi
09:06.46vimpulsedoudou:  I think you can run vi on the machine you ssh into.  But I am actually suggesting you can install vi on the phone itself.
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09:06.56vimpulsedoudou:  why do you want vi anyway?  :)
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09:07.06doudouwhen i connect with putty from windows to my debian computer i can run vi
09:07.20ananthgsdoudou, can u please give the link of that phone..that runs debian?
09:07.34petemcthe g1 runs debian
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09:07.56doudouwhy i want vi???? that is excelent question. answer is when you spent so many time learning how to use vi, you are very far from stopping using it
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09:08.14Supaplex!start an editor war
09:08.14dpkgjoe sucks
09:08.22SupaplexI said war, duh. :P
09:08.32jellyit really sucks, I use it.
09:08.44Supaplexit's no war if we agree. hahaha.
09:08.46vimpulsedoudou:  but what files do you want to edit?  code?  text?
09:08.57vimpulsedoudou:  also, do you want to edit files on the phone or on your home PC?
09:08.59doudougoogle said : "Le 15 août 2008, Debian peut s'installer sur le téléphone Neo FreeRunner. ..." link is fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian
09:09.24doudoui want to edit files on my debian computer, not the phone
09:09.30azeemdoudou: do you want to run Debian on your phone, or connect to your Debian system via your phone?
09:09.31davidiskohi guys, why there is no xen-ioemu package in debian lenny?
09:09.33azeemthe latter is easier
09:10.02vimpulsedoudou:  which files on your debian computer do you want to edit?
09:10.38doudouazeem, connect to debian computer, seems possible and simple with putty on symbian, problem is screen size, i was hoping to run xserver on phone !?
09:10.47azeemdoudou: why?
09:10.59azeemdoes that make your screen bigger?
09:11.03doudouvimpulse, any text files, maybe run weechat too?
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09:11.23Supaplexslap a mobile card in a netbook, and call it done. :P
09:11.25vimpulsedoudou:  but what is in the text files, if I may ask?  recipes?  letters?  to-do lists?
09:11.45azeemvimpulse: why do you care?
09:11.54doudouno simple c file, programs
09:11.55vimpulseazeem:  just curious.
09:12.07doudouor maybe logs
09:12.11azeemyeah well, please respect other people's privacy
09:12.18doudouprobably run python?
09:12.36azeemdoudou: people told you already: get an ssh client for your phone
09:12.36vimpulseazeem:  that is why I said "if I may ask"
09:12.40azeemdoudou: this is off-topic here
09:12.51vimpulsedoudou:  also, like Supaplex suggested, why don't you buy a netbook?  It has a bigger screen, and a much better keyboard.
09:13.06Suzuahah why would someone edit a recipe over ssh using vi ^^
09:13.22doudouabout curious people and privacy, is there statistics about most used programms, and answer to simple question: what do people with their computers?
09:13.35vimpulsedoudou:  let us move this discussion to ##foobar&grill
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09:14.18dicketI was just about to try a netinstall, but it didn't manage to detect my network card (just ordinary ethernet, no wireless here). I aborted to check it out in windows first, and it's a Intel 82567LM. Seems like i have to compile a kernel module for this.. but shit.. everything gets so increadibly complicated since i dont have internet access before i load the module..
09:14.21doudouvimpulse, because a netbook is heavy, and as phone have 800x600 screen, i thout it may be possible
09:14.45azeemdoudou: ask your phone manufacturer
09:14.48vimpulseazeem:  sometimes knowing what file type people are editing can help us to give better advice.
09:14.51petemcdicket: do any recent kernels include support for that nic?
09:14.56doudouwhy foobar, popcon constest is finished?
09:14.59vimpulsedoudou:  some netbooks weigh 1 kg or less.
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09:15.12dicketpetemc, i'm very unsure how to check
09:15.17ananthgsdavidisko: nope its in etch (old stable) http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=xen-ioemu+
09:15.23petemcdicket: id start with google...
09:15.27doudouis it difficult to compare 110g to 1100g ?
09:15.44petemcdrop on on your head, then the other
09:15.48petemcs/on/one/
09:16.11vimpulsedoudou:  :)  but those extra 900g or so give you much more features.  And it is easy to carry 1100g all day every day.
09:16.24doudoudo you have a link with statistics of how planet use its time with computers?
09:16.37azeemplanet?
09:16.43azeemdoudou: how is that related to Debian?
09:16.53azeemdoudou: please try to ask Debian related questions in here
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09:17.00doudouvimpulse, i did not say, i wont buy a netbook, i said i will buy a phone first
09:17.16doudouthe link with debian is popcon contest
09:17.36azeemdoudou: if you have specific questions about the popcon contest, ask them
09:18.05davidiskoananthgs: i know, but why it's not in lenny?
09:18.43ananthgsdavidisko: no answer....
09:18.52doudousay me what do people with thir computer in general? 80% websurf? more less? does this contest bring answers? because i feel so stupid to download so big system to use so few features
09:18.53ananthgsdid u try in backports?
09:19.14azeemdoudou: this has nothing to do with Debian
09:19.27ananthgsi dont think backports have it.....
09:19.27azeemplease check up on the scientific literature if you are intersted in this
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09:19.35ananthgslemme check
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09:20.27doudouazeem, debian popcon was made for what reason? seems that debian kept the fat attitude, i understand that some time ago we do not know what people wanted to do with their computers but today?
09:20.46ananthgsdavidisko: it isnt there.....probably they dont want to proceed with it
09:20.53azeemdoudou: popcon was made to gather statistics about which packages are being installed and used
09:20.55davidiskoananthgs: great.. so how should i enable vt support in precompiled xen-kernel package now?
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09:21.05azeemwhat you make out of the numbers is your own problem
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09:21.44ananthgsvt???
09:21.46ananthgswhat is it?
09:22.01azeemvanderbilt
09:22.21OpenTokixananthgs: Intel Virtualization techonology VT-x
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09:22.44doudouazeem, did somebody made something sensible with the numbers? do you have a link? i search google to find such statistics but popcon seems the best try i ever saw
09:22.53azeemdoudou: no, I don't
09:22.58azeemagain, this is off-topic here
09:23.04ananthgsdavidisko: no idea friend.....
09:23.07azeemthis channel is about debian end-user support
09:23.14azeemnot sociological research based on popconf
09:23.15azeem-f
09:23.34Supaplex!tell doudou -about ot
09:23.39doudouazeem, thanks for your answers, maybe you have a link for me to search?
09:23.44azeemdoudou: no
09:23.45ananthgsdavidisko: i havent played much with xen as i have with vbox.
09:23.53azeemdoudou: if you keep on going about it, we will have to remove you from this channel
09:23.56themill!popcon
09:23.56dpkgit has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank).  Install the popularity-contest package to participate.  See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/
09:24.12azeemthemill: doudou wants a link about research *on* popcon
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09:24.34themillazeem: ahh....
09:24.58Supaplexsomeday I'll install debian on my cyclades alterpath ACS-48
09:25.50doudoui was hoping that popcon was not just to play with numbers and had a aim, to improve debian
09:26.12doudouanyway, azeem, can i run xwindows on a phone?
09:26.20majhoolwtf
09:26.25OpenTokix"the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs"
09:26.35azeemdoudou: you asked that question already and I answered already
09:26.35OpenTokixdoudou: ^^^
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09:27.27doudouis it "this is offtopic" ?
09:27.32azeemwhat
09:27.33Supaplex!cluebat doudou
09:27.33dpkgbeats doudou with the ClueBat of #debian. Roll 1d6... 6! Check video card compatibility at http://www.x.org/
09:27.41creature_package qc-usb-source is broken on lenny
09:27.51creature_make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
09:27.59azeem11:02 < azeem_> doudou: depends on the phone
09:27.59azeem11:02 < azeem_> doudou: does it run Debian?
09:28.04azeemthat was my answer
09:28.09majhoolyeah asking about xwindows on an iphone is off topic, in that your iphone doesn't run debian
09:28.14themillcreature_: did you run "m-a prepare"? (that package works for me)
09:28.22azeemmajhool: phone, not iphone
09:28.30majhooljinx
09:28.36creature_ic
09:28.59doudoui answered that it probably wont run debian, probably symbian or windows
09:29.12azeemdoudou: and what do you think we should do?
09:29.22azeemtell you how to install XWindows on Symbian?
09:29.27doudoui saw i can run cgywin on windows, but is that possible on a phone or too slow?
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09:29.35majhooldoudou: maybe ask #symbian, then? or #windows?
09:29.38azeemdoudou: look, this is Debian supprt
09:29.53azeemwe don't support cygwin on symbian
09:29.54creature_themill: still fails to compile
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09:31.09doudouwhere is the mistake to ask debian if phones can be connected to debian computer?
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09:31.41azeemdoudou: we told you, via SSH
09:31.48OpenTokixdoudou: Some phones can, some phones can't
09:31.50azeemhow the hell you get SSH on your phone is not our problem
09:32.00majhoolthat is a different question than asking if you can run xwindows on your phone
09:32.04azeemif you don't want SSH but other means, ask about it
09:32.19themilldoudou: you've got your answer to that question and you've been pointed in the right direction for more details. Now please use your brains to do some research and ask somewhere that is more appropriate.
09:32.30matt7676has anyone accomplished to have one VAP in station mode and second VAP in monitor mode using Atheros chipset based card and MadWIFI drivers under Linux?
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09:33.02doudoui prefer to come here to ask which phone, instead of buying one and comming here to ask how
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09:33.24vimpulsedoudou:  please do not ask that in #debian.  Try ##foobar&grill or ##hardware.
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09:33.47themillcreature_: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 ; apt-cache policy ; uname -r"
09:34.03azeemdoudou: you've been silenced for 10 minutes.  Please try to be more on topic and less noise in the future, thanks
09:34.11azeemthis channel is not about mobile SSH client support
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09:39.59Hyperihmm, as weird as it sounds. It seems like my crontab isn't working as intended. :/
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09:40.36HyperiThe command works nicely when typed in shell copypasted, just for some reasons * * * * * /command doesn't execute. Any tips?
09:40.37creature_man what the hell i plug in my cam but it doesn't get assigned to any /dev/video
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09:40.43creature_guess its just fucked or something?
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09:41.17themillcreature_: have you successfully compiled and installed the module now?
09:41.32wsxwsund /etc/crontab i find the generall crontab. by crontab -e i get into the users contab, where does the users contrab becomes saved ?
09:41.42wsxwsund = under
09:42.16petemc<PROTECTED>
09:43.01wsxwsi just found it myself too, but thanks :)
09:43.03creature_themill: the m-a thing did it
09:43.27wsxwswasnt that hard to find after simply creating one :P
09:43.38creature_i modprobed quickcam module
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09:46.41creature_looks like my logitech cam is some gspca thingy
09:47.11wsxwshow to chroot a user ?
09:47.26cireHow is determined which display is "screen 1", and which is "screen 2"? (Dual Head)
09:47.53creature_so how do you install flash for iceweasel nowdays?
09:48.22PingFloydcreature_: easiest way is just install the deb that installs it
09:48.26cireapt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
09:48.30PingFloydthat one
09:48.37themilldpkg: tell creature_ about adobe flash
09:48.37creature_but on stable?
09:48.45themillcreature_: almost.
09:48.50creature_E: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate
09:49.12themillcire: there's more to it than that
09:49.18PingFloyddunno try aptitude search flash
09:49.33PingFloydor apt-cache search flash
09:49.38PingFloydwithever you prefer
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09:50.32creature_i can't find the address for debian-multimedia repo
09:50.55Exule!debian-multimedia
09:50.55dpkgwell, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat.  For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
09:51.05creature_see it doesn't have the address
09:51.16creature_to the actual repository taht you can use with apt
09:51.25themilldpkg: tell creature_ about dmm lenny
09:52.04Exulecreature_, ... perhaps read the page it links to?
09:52.05themillquite.
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09:52.52wsxwsif i wanted to give a shell-acc to a user, that he can install a psy, how to chroot him ?
09:53.03azeema psy?
09:53.09wsxws(doesnt have to be an automatism, to chroot all new users, just one)
09:53.10azeemwsxws: you chroot services, not users
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09:53.34wsxwshow to jail a user in ~/
09:53.41wsxwsis that better ?
09:54.01nkuttlerwsxws: why do you want users to install software?
09:54.16wsxwsi just want, that a user, i added, is not able to leave his homedir
09:54.38bolt-workwhy?
09:55.10wsxwsbecause i dont want him to
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09:55.33azeemwsxws: 11:52 < azeem> wsxws: you chroot services, not users
09:55.34dkrwsxws: chroot jail or bash restricted shell maybe
09:56.11dkrazeem: a "service" is a program.  a user shell is a program.  any program can be chrooted
09:56.27bolt-worksure, but why chroot a user?
09:56.45wsxwsdkr so how can i chroot or jail or however it is called, a certein shell-user ?
09:56.58creature_damn it iceweasel is using swfdec instead of adobe
09:57.00wsxws(ist a webserver an the user can connect vie ssh only)
09:57.04creature_is there a way to change it?
09:57.12dkr!chroot
09:57.13dpkgit has been said that chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot
09:57.40bolt-workwsxws: if what you want is to only allow scp, sftp and similar and not allow the user to do anything else, there are easier ways...
09:57.44themilldkr: you still can't actually chroot the *user*. You can try chrooting each and every way of logging in, however.
09:58.02dkrthemill: yeah, you just make the chroot command their shell in /etc/passwd
09:58.16dkrhrm, that isn't the right manual for it, though
09:58.25dkroh, yeah it is, a bit further down
09:58.52wsxwsdkr i want the user to be allowd to install and configure things like ircd and psybnc, but i dont want to allow him to leave his directory
09:58.54themilldkr: that only chroots logins that use $SHELL. An ftp login (for example) would not be chrooted in that way.
09:58.58creature_how do you choose what flash plugin to use in iceweasel?
09:59.12dkrthemill: nod
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09:59.35nkuttlerwsxws: and how du you supposes he install system software if he is chrooted?
09:59.55dkryou can run ircd on unprivileged ports
10:00.27bolt-workwsxws: this "leaving his directory" stuff doesn't make sense to me. if you don't want the user to be able to use anything outside of his home directory, set his shell to rssh or similar. he can then connect, upload and download files through scp, and edit them on his own machine with his preferred editor
10:00.38wsxwshe cant use ports as long as i dont open them, its just that i dont have to do the ircd and botstuff myself
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10:01.20trashhi, was grub-0.97-lenny compiled without netboot support? It doesn't recognize the bootp command here.
10:01.49nkuttlercreature_: there something in the settings somewhere...
10:02.36PingFloydwsxws: that's where groups come into play -- allowing a user access to certain directories
10:02.47PingFloyduser(s)*
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10:02.59bolt-workwsxws: also, if you set up your system correctly, there shouldn't be any security issues with allowing him access to the rest of the system
10:02.59creature_nkuttler: where?
10:03.32creature_iceweasel settings are a joke
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10:04.36dkrcreature_: update-alternatives
10:04.38themillcreature_: there's a flash option in the alternatives system too
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10:04.51wsxwsi guess ill simply google
10:04.54wsxwsthanks a lot
10:05.23creature_theres no ui
10:05.36dkr!chroot ssh
10:05.36dpkg[ssh chroot] Stop.  Read http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/325425/30/0/ and think it through a little more.  This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time.
10:05.41creature_how am i supposed to use this
10:06.04themill(or just uninstall swfdec)
10:06.10creature_k
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10:06.29creature_the way this is gonna go down is probably that i have no flash support at all
10:07.06nkuttlercreature_: oh, your real question is how to get flash to work at all?
10:07.07creature_dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of swfdec-mozilla:
10:07.07dpkgcreature_: no idea
10:07.17creature_that rules that out
10:07.34nkuttler!tell creature_ about errors
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10:08.01themillbah... gnome depends on swfdec-mozilla. Use something other than gnome then...
10:08.48creature_sudo update-alternatives --config xulrunner-addons-flashplugin
10:09.39creature_dunno whats the line for adobe tho
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10:09.44doudouso cant say if any phone can run xserver and ssh to connect to my debian computer via internet? what is channel for xserver?
10:10.17doudouyou are very strong with muzzle 10, i must admit
10:10.18dkrdoudou: you don't need x to ssh
10:10.24creature_update-alternatives --config mozilla-flashplugin
10:10.31creature_No alternatives for mozilla-flashplugin.
10:10.35doudoui need ssh as an option to x
10:10.39dkrare you just trying commands randomly?
10:10.45creature_pretty much
10:10.54creature_just copypasting from google
10:11.13dkrmine is called flash-mozilla.so
10:11.15creature_sudo ln -sf /usr/lib/swfdec/libswfdecmozilla.so
10:11.15creature_/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so
10:11.19doudoucant send to channel
10:11.20creature_now that looks like a nasty hack
10:11.46creature_looks like one fucked up system
10:11.46doudoui have been silenced for 10 minutes
10:11.50dkrusing flashplayer-mozilla package
10:12.11creature_none of these update-alternatives commands are working
10:12.24creature_im trying the hack
10:12.29dkrls /etc/alternatives/*flash*
10:12.37dkrto see actual name rather than guessing, :)
10:12.59doudoui like this channel because it is the best channel to get answers
10:13.07doudoubest is not enought
10:13.24claintupdate-alternatives --config whatever gives you the options installed on your system for whatever
10:13.28creature_whats /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so
10:14.20creature_oh dude its the link to the flash plugin
10:14.46claintthat's what update-alternatives does... it just creates links
10:14.50creature_need to make it point to /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
10:15.26creature_ln -s /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
10:15.37creature_maybe something like that
10:15.40themillstop
10:15.44doudouanother question, iceweasel or firefox, they are the same now?
10:15.59creature_hmpf it just goes file exists
10:16.12themillcreature_: two of your random "ln -s" commands would have damaged the alternatives.
10:16.15nkuttlerdoudou: no
10:16.18creature_oh their the wrong way
10:16.22claintfirefox is called iceweasel on debian because the name firefox was not free.
10:16.29creature_ln -s /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so
10:16.41themillcreature_: use update-alternatives for this ffs
10:17.02doudounkuttler, thanks, where is the link explaining the state of the art of iceaweasel-firefox ?
10:17.14creature_themill: it doesn't work
10:17.19creature_just says "No alternatives"
10:17.24creature_sudo update-alternatives --config /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
10:17.46themillcreature_: that's not the correct command.... the alternative is for flash-mozilla.so
10:17.47claintthen you haven't installed any alternatives, have you?
10:18.19themillclaint: that's a different message
10:18.21creature_doesn't work either
10:18.27creature_sudo update-alternatives --config /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so
10:18.29themilldpkg: tell creature_ about doesn't work
10:18.31creature_no alternatives
10:18.37themillcreature_: that's not the correct command.... the alternative is for flash-mozilla.so
10:18.47creature_what you mean no path?
10:18.54themillquite
10:18.54creature_ohh
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10:20.05doudoubecause the friend gaves so many answers about iceaweasel, that we cant trust the friend as it does not give nofficial sites first
10:21.24dkr!tell doudou about why iceweasel
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10:24.46claintdidn't know which one was the bot, i did that to find that out anyway
10:25.10doudoui read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian a year ago, and i cant say today, if this page is a forgotten 2006 page or a 2009 page with nothing more to say (except the date!?)
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10:25.54themilldoudou: find out yourself: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-mozilla/iceweasel.git
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10:27.33doudouthemill, very nice page, i cant feel concerned as i cant uderstand it, some effort should be done i suppose to try to seak to people in a way and with words they can understand
10:27.53themilldoudou: feel free to work it out and write it up yourself.
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10:27.59claintdoudou: i don't understand you, please explain.
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10:28.26doudouthemill change seak to speak
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10:31.19doudoui must be to weak to be able to understand how all this works, need to work hard, but how do i now io am working and notr loosing my time in obsolete direction?
10:31.43petemcwtf are you talking about?
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10:32.39doudoutalking about leaving
10:32.57bolt-workwhat the heck?
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10:36.37jelly!customer
10:36.38dpkgAnother happy customer leaves the building
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10:40.30jimpyCan anyone vouch for the stability of the beidge-utils package in a production enviroment?
10:40.41creature_holy shit ntp gets my time wrong by 7 hours
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10:41.04jimpythat is *bridge-utils
10:41.57jellyjimpy: bridge-utils don't do anything much per se, just instruct the kernel to do its thing
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10:44.15jimpyjelly indeed, ill rephrase my question then, are there any issuse
10:44.40jimpyare there any issues regarding stability/security using network bridging and iptables
10:45.08petemcdepends if its done right or not
10:45.15dubwhat is a lab?
10:45.15jellyjimpy: if you're asking how well bridging works in linux, I can only say "works for me"
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10:45.35petemcdub: a dog? a place where scientists work?
10:45.55doudou2so nice http://www.mibbit.com/chat/
10:46.20dub<jimpy> If you need me, I'll be in my lab.
10:46.36jellydub: ##English
10:46.36petemclaboratory
10:46.43doudou2back from iceweasel ... no more java, windows, xserver all with ajax
10:47.02doudou2what is channel for xserver?
10:47.07jelly#xorg
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10:47.15jellythat's for upstream
10:47.45jimpyI have bridging working and from what i see it works well and i know that i need to be filtering multicast packets using ebtables and shape the traffic using iptables. And it works well as a transparent firewall are there any pitfalls/gotchas that you guys have experiance with?
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10:55.42easyfithey, does anyone know a way to launch iceweasel/firefox in fullscreen from a shell? I see that there are -width and -height options, which would work for my purposes, but it seem that they're not respected for some reason
10:55.49dicketThe debian installer doesn't find my network card, when i select the appropriate driver from the list given (e1000e) it just flashes and brings my back to the list again. I'm thinking about installing it without driver, then put in the linux kernel from unstable from a USB drive. Does that sound reasonable?
10:56.12dicketFrom googling i *think* that kernel should have support for the card.
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10:58.01dickethmm, yeah, i'll try that to start with.
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11:03.17SFFHi, I've never used debian before. I want to use it on my cobalt-RaQ2 (mips), I don't want any gui/gui pkgs installed on my pc. Which installer should I download, netinstall or cds?
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11:04.23GuerinSFF: netinstall, if you'll have a network. base debian doens't contain x and such unless you want it
11:04.35Guerin!ig
11:04.36dpkgThe Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual .  See also <installer firmware>.
11:04.42themilleasyfit: fullscreen is a property of the window manager not the application (i.e. not drawing window decorations) so many window managers can do this for you, e.g. "kstart --fullscreen iceweasel"
11:04.50enoufCutMeOwnThroat: how ya doin' ? ;-)
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11:04.54SFFthanks Guerin
11:04.55GuerinSFF: start with the installation guide ^
11:05.09petemcSFF: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/cobalt/install.html
11:05.21Guerinor there
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11:05.38petemcboth work, that one is just more raq specific
11:05.48SFFpetermc I've read those, I think I'll have to do some firmware updates or customer bootloaders
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11:06.14easyfitthemill, beautiful! works like charm, thank you very much :)
11:06.26themilleasyfit: no worries!
11:06.28beardy!charm themill
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11:07.25SFFjust one more question, if I download those cds will I be able to use them as a deb repo?
11:07.31petemcyes
11:07.47beardyYes. That's the point of doing that, if one does.
11:07.52petemcthe packages will become outdated at some point tho
11:08.21beardyIf you can download cd's, it's usually always better to do a netinstall instead.
11:08.31SFFthanks for all the quick answers, it looks like I'm going to enjoy debian a lot
11:08.51matt7676has killall superseded kill? Or has kill some advantages, that killall has not?
11:09.47beardymatt7676: Control. Kill only one process, and sending any signal. killall might be able to send all signlas, but iirc it can't.
11:10.03petemci think it can
11:10.16beardymatt7676: Shotgun or rifle.
11:10.34petemckillall can do silly things on other operating systems
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11:10.50petemc</not relevant>
11:11.17Guerinlikes being able to pipe the output of ps |awk into kill rather than figure out what process name is running
11:11.40matt7676beardy: ok :D However, killall can be used to kill a single process as well. Why do i need both of them?
11:11.54beardyI sometimes like killall when I don't want to look up the pid.
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11:12.15RRockonG'day
11:12.20beardymatt7676: Well, if it can, then, good, have two. They are not big things.
11:12.31Guerinbeardy: when you don't weant to look down the telescopic sight, you mean
11:12.33enoufhaha @ ~$ kstart --fullscreen iceweasel
11:12.33enouf~$
11:12.34apti guess $ is a dollar sign
11:12.35beardymatt7676: Two implementations.
11:12.41beardyGuerin: That's right.
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11:13.08Gueringun analogies: now even more confusing than car analogies!
11:13.44enoufdoes nothing
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11:14.44RRockonWould someone be so kind as to see if my FTP works? It's on my LAN and the last problem I had with it was passive mode not working right, which it doesn't use over LAN. :) - ftp://rr.mooo.com (Login: ftpuser, pass: ftpass)
11:14.51enoufoh wait - it is there - i'm used to HDD thrashing for hours
11:14.54matt7676beardy: ok. However, is there something killall can not do, which kill can?
11:16.45petemcits 3 less letters
11:16.58beardyAnd they are not in the same package.
11:17.05themillmatt7676: kill can be a shell builtin so it can do its thing without spawning a new process which may or may not be possible.
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11:17.52beardythemill: The built-in kill can not be the same as /bin/kill then, but.. yeah.
11:18.03themillquite.
11:18.09eniohhello
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11:18.33themillBut no-one mentioned /bin/kill, just kill. And you'll get the built-in unless you prepend the path.
11:18.40RRockonAnyone care to help me by checking out my FTP?
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11:19.24themillmatt7676: killall also can't kill by PID, kill only kills by PID. They do totally different things.
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11:19.54beardyThey said it could kill bu PID when I said the same.
11:20.04zxdwhen is debian next release?
11:20.13beardyNot yet and when it's ready.
11:20.14zxd2016?
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11:20.26themill!wwsr
11:20.26dpkgThere is no estimate for the release of <squeeze> currently. Subscribe to <d-d-a> to get news on the subject.
11:20.33beardy2020 is a nice number.
11:20.45zxdsure
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11:26.13redguy_hi, can anybody tell me which kernel build am I running? dpkg -l and uname are on: http://rafb.net/p/fDUiNo18.html
11:26.58CoolColdredguy_: linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 ?
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11:29.20redguy_CoolCold: and it should have changes listed up to http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26-15/changelog#versionversion2.6.26-13lenny2
11:29.24redguy_right?
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11:31.15themillCoolCold: you're running an out-dated kernel, however. You need to reboot into the 2.6.26-2-686 kernel that you have installed
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11:32.10redguy_themill: I suppose that this was for me?
11:32.22themillerr... yes
11:32.23redguy_themill: rebooting is not an option at the moment
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11:32.58enoufthen pull the plug
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11:33.32enoufget a shovel and dig a deep hole in the yard
11:33.46themillredguy_: then know that you're running a vulnerable kernel... there are some CVEs fixed between those two
11:34.36redguy_I am trying to find out if the 2.6.26-1 kernel package contains the patch http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.kvm.devel/19582
11:34.54redguy_according to the changelog it does, but I seem to encounter the bug in that thread
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11:35.43riotis there a good copy/paste buffer-manager that doesn't rely on gnome/kde and unifies all buffers? (one to rule them all?) Maybe even has a "gallery" of last copies?
11:36.05rioti am sick of having two different buffers (mouse and keyboard)
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11:36.38themillriot: one to rule them all? klipper.... but you asked for something that wasn't kde.
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11:38.49beardythemill: How well integrated is it with gpm?
11:39.01beardyWell I guess it isn't very ruling then is it.
11:39.22riotthemill: and how much is it dependant of kde? i have sooome kde-stuff installed, but i'm not using it as environment
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11:39.29themillbeardy: Haven't used gpm since 1996 so I wouldn't know.
11:39.44riotbeardy: you still use virtual consoles? what for?
11:40.03riotafaik, gpm is one of the most mouse-incompatible programs out there ;)
11:40.05beardyriot: Anything.
11:40.07enoufxclip might be the answer?
11:40.12themillriot: you should be able to just run "klipper" within any DE. "glipper" (I think it's called) is another option.
11:40.30enoufjudd: depends klipper
11:40.31juddenouf: klipper -- Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.9), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.8b), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libx11-6, libxfixes3 (>= 1:4.0.1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
11:40.36beardyNot really, at all.
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11:41.03riotenouf: oh, i'll have a look. just installed xcb, too
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11:41.16riotxclip wasn't even on my apt-cache search horizon :/
11:42.35riotoh nice, not upgrading kdelibs last time i upgraded left my box in a pretty much unconfigured limbo state for a week now. still everything ran as normal :D
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11:43.22enoufklipper is one of the very few worthwhile k apps, but it too has issues with not saving buffers easily from just highlighting text .. and i think one of the apps it does NOT do it in is KonqOut ... hahaha
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11:45.30enoufstuff loaded into RAM already will run fine .... it's when it swaps out, or something else, like a new llibc6 gets installed, but left unconfigured, from deciding to not restart the session that might cause issues as well - though my system managed to stay afloat for a few weeks
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11:46.02riotmain problem i right now have is that copying via keyboard in firefox is another buffer than when using the mouse (i suppose some gtk-buffer..)
11:46.57riotenouf: hm, well, it weren't that many packages unconfigured and i'm not using many kde-apps, i guess thats why everything still was smooth.
11:47.20valdynriot: why would you have to use the mouse buffer anyway?
11:47.26valdynriot: legacy apps?
11:47.33riotvaldyn: firefox?
11:47.43riotnah, thats not legacy ;)
11:47.47valdynriot: it does have cut & paste via rightclick
11:48.11riotthrough a menu.. ugh.
11:48.12dkrcopy via highlight and paste via middleclick is just so much superior
11:48.16enoufright click -> copy is such a waste
11:48.17riotyep
11:48.26valdynriot: no, ctrl-c works too
11:48.32enoufdub: indeed
11:48.37enoufdkr: indeed
11:48.39riotvaldyn: yes, it does, but those are two different buffers!
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11:48.58enoufctrl-c closes my links2 -g windows ;-)
11:48.59dkrmaybe you could hack xorg to merge them
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11:49.21riotthats what i'm telling. I want to unify those two buffers. ctrl-c/v and leftclick-mark/middle click should be using the same buffer
11:49.21enoufso no - ctrl-c also sucks ass
11:49.38riotenouf: but you don't have to use the mouse to copy anything! thats an advantage, imho
11:49.48enoufriot: whut?!
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11:50.12enoufriot: you want to play with the keyboard to select text? are you mad?
11:50.46riotno, i do that all the time. While im typing stuff, if i want to copy two lines, thats just shift + (up+up)
11:50.49dkrshift-home :)
11:50.50enoufto me - the only purpose for a mouse is to highlight text
11:51.01valdynyou dont have to use the keyboard
11:51.05valdyndrag and drop works too
11:51.10enoufotherwose it's useless
11:51.23dkrand switch focus
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11:51.34riotbut i'm typing most of the time, so i need keyboard selection and copying
11:51.45enoufriot: you type in web-browser pages you're using?
11:51.47RaceConditionhow do I make a network card listen to more than 1 IP? using the ifconfig command somehow?
11:51.51enoufer viewing?
11:52.02riotenouf: i'm editing wikis. heavily.
11:52.02enoufif not, you're dealing with editors, not browsers
11:52.24valdynRaceCondition: same as you make it listen to the first ip
11:52.46riotoh, wow, klipper uses the right tray-mechanism
11:52.49RaceConditionvaldyn: shouldn't I add it to /etc/network/... somehow so it'd survive reboots?
11:52.53riotmost kde-apps get it wrong
11:53.01valdynRaceCondition: sure
11:53.05RaceConditionvaldyn: how?
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11:53.24enoufthat's some browser editing function and likely html/css/AJAX/java/php/ whatever code specific ... unless you open the page for editing in an editor
11:53.46enoufwhich also heavily sucks
11:53.47valdynRaceCondition: same way as the first ip, but name the interface like eth0:0 eth0:1 etc
11:53.48riotWEEEE
11:53.50riotklipper, FTW!!!
11:54.00enoufcause most web-devs are morons
11:54.01riotdoes it :D
11:54.10dkrRaceCondition: add an interface alias,e.g. if eth0 add eth0:1
11:54.17riotshit, now i have to run around with all those nasty kdelibs loaded all the time... *bg*
11:54.18RaceConditionvaldyn: cool, thanks
11:54.21enoufriot: it's searchable too ;-)
11:54.28RaceConditiondkr: I'll have to figure out how to do it :P
11:54.30dkrdoh, valdyn said that. :)
11:54.30riotindeed, cool software.
11:54.38enoufthat's the one feature i really like
11:54.41dkrRaceCondition: exactly the same except for thename of the interface
11:54.41riotthanks to all for the hints :)
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11:54.53enouf5000 clips, search as you type ;-)
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11:55.03riotenouf: yeah, i can imagine, having a searchable _history_ of selections is quite nice
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11:55.41RaceConditioniface eth0:0 inet dhcp ?
11:56.03valdynRaceCondition: youre not going to get two different ip addresses from dhcp
11:56.21dkrok, not exactly the same.  heh
11:56.26RaceConditionvaldyn: well OK, I'll assign the IP myself, but iface eth0:0 inet then?
11:56.34valdynRaceCondition: yes
11:56.35dkrnod
11:56.50RaceConditioniface eth0:0 inet 192.168.0.3 for example?
11:57.06valdynRaceCondition: no, examples are in the manpage
11:57.13enouf!tias
11:57.13dpkgrumour has it, tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first.
11:57.19dkrmaking up syntax is more fun, though
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11:59.42enoufeating a 16oz ribeye steak is more fun ;-)
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12:00.19RaceConditionnow this is how my interfaces file looks like: http://dpaste.com/43327/, but after /etc/init.d/networking restart, ifconfig does not show eth0:0
12:00.22enoufand homemade italian chocolate chip ice for dessert ;-)
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12:00.40enoufRaceCondition: ls /sys/class/net
12:00.41abrotmanRaceCondition: you didn't set it to 'auto' up
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12:01.28natureshadowhi !
12:01.36RaceConditionlooks like I got it to work
12:02.18natureshadowI am currently packaging software that ships a shared library that will not be used by any other program, so I install it in /usr/lib/<package>
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12:02.42natureshadowI then add this directory to /etc/ld.so.conf.d/<package>.conf and run ldconfig in postinst and postrm
12:03.01natureshadowlintian complains that I shouldn't unr ldconfig as I do not install a library in a path controlled by it
12:03.05enoufsounds like you might want to man dh_make
12:03.06natureshadowHow do I cope with it?
12:03.47enoufbut #debian-mentors would know better, i'd guess
12:03.56natureshadowenouf: ah, ok :O
12:03.56enouf!nmg
12:03.56dpkgThe New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. See also http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>.
12:04.34natureshadowenouf: Never mind that, I'm pretty sure that this information is not in the docs as I read it ...
12:04.41creature_does apt-get have more fonts?
12:04.43dkrisn't /usr/lib always in ldconfig list?
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12:04.56dkrman ldconfig says it is a "trusted dir"
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12:05.26natureshadowdkr: /usr/lib is
12:05.32natureshadowdkr: But not /usr/lib/*
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12:05.57enouflet's look and see, shall we?
12:05.58enouf~$ pi "cat /etc/ld.so.conf*/*"
12:05.59enoufYour paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1420356
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12:06.36natureshadowenouf: And now?
12:06.48creature_!font
12:06.48dpkg'fixed' is the one true font!
12:06.51enoufand now what?
12:07.03natureshadowenouf: What did you want to tell me with your paste ;)
12:07.11enouf!tell creature_ -about search
12:07.17abrotmancreature_: apt-cache search fonts
12:07.37bolt-workterminus rox your sox
12:07.42creature_yea wc -l that and 455
12:08.07creature_and i was like "oh fuck this"
12:08.13enoufcreature_: if you want mssttcorefonts or someshit; /msg dpkg {contrib,non-free,msttcorefonts}
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12:08.26natureshadowenouf: Are you sure #debian-mentors is an official channel and exists on freenode?
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12:08.33enoufnatureshadow: no
12:08.43enoufit's on irc.debian.org
12:08.48enouf!mentors
12:08.48dpkgit has been said that mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/
12:08.49natureshadowah, ok :)
12:10.38osfdHi...I sometimes dl some rar files with one rar and a bunch of .ro1, r02...what should I use to merge (decompress) all that \??
12:10.58bolt-workunrar works pretty well
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12:11.24bolt-workjust stuff all of them in the same directory and unrar the .rar
12:11.47osfdbolt-work: something like unrar mainFile.rar and that'll do the trick ?
12:11.58bolt-workunrar x mainFile.rar
12:12.00bolt-workbut yes
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12:12.24bolt-worknow tell me something legal that comes packaged in split rar files like that :P
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12:13.31osfdbolt-work: first, thank you. Second, I pass on this one
12:13.39bolt-work:)
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12:17.11zickethow can i automatically remove packages that are only recommended? I installed some software before i remembered to turn off install-recommended.
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12:17.47zicketI have keep-recommended set to false as well (well "0")
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12:19.32creature_so the ttf- packages are fonts
12:19.56bolt-workTerminus: i was referring to the font :)
12:20.04creature_maybe i should just go nuts and install them al
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12:20.44abrotmanzicket: i'm not sure there is a way .. you might be able to get a list of packages with `aptitude why` though
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12:21.04RaceKondition_for some reason, after configuring my eth0 interface for an additional IP, I can't access the network from that machine anymore. this is what my interfaces file looks like: http://dpaste.com/43330/
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12:25.00RaceKondition_got it already, had to switch eth0 back to dhcp
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12:25.37abrotmanbecause you didn't give eth0 or eth0:0 a route
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12:26.58SethXre all
12:27.01Skarmethhey guys, good morning
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12:27.15SethXi'm currently rebuilding php5 from source, and am seeing something funny
12:27.28SethXi' following this tut: http://blog.madtech.cx/2006/12/08/debian-etch-libapache2-mod-php5-with-bundled-libgd-gdlib/
12:27.52dkrzicket: does aptitude search '?garbage'    show them?  /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README says that search patternis to "Select packages that are not required by any manually installed package."
12:28.11valdynRaceKondition_: whats the point of an additional ip that is not routable?
12:28.12SethXyet, when running     apt-get build-dep libapache2-mod-php5  it WONT load anything new in there
12:28.17enoufzicket: $ dpkg-query -W -f='${Package} \t${Status} \t${Recommends} \n' | less
12:28.26SethXjust apache-common and apache-dev [which is retarded, as i've got apache2 in place]
12:28.28RaceKondition_valdyn: I need to be listening on that IP
12:28.29natureshadowBtw, does somebody have any idea where I might find source, changelog and/or even CVS logs for some really old kernel vrsion (2.0.35)?
12:28.33SethXie, its not putting the other deps in there
12:28.37SethXany ideas why?
12:28.39valdynRaceKondition_: nothing to listen for
12:28.40abrotmanSethX: are you actually using etch?
12:28.44RaceKondition_valdyn: I have both lighty and apache installed
12:28.45valdynRaceKondition_: its not routable obviously
12:28.51RaceKondition_valdyn: well it's working anyway
12:28.54SethXabrotman: yes
12:29.07RaceKondition_valdyn: I set eth0 to dhcp and kept eth0:1 as static and it works right now
12:29.11SethXits an older installation
12:29.19SethXand i dont want to upgrade it
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12:29.34SkarmethI am having a trouble with Lenny and Realtek RTL8101E/8102E NIC. When I start transmitting data across the network, the r8169 kernel module bugs and I lost network connectivity. This happens since Etch 2.6.18 kernel.
12:29.35SethXi mean, php builds fine
12:29.50SethXit's just that it took 2 minutes, compared to the usual 15
12:29.56SethXso i have the feeling something is missing
12:30.04SethX:)
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12:31.42zicketdkr: it's emtpy.  enouf, will this also be packages that are both recommended by some, and dependency for some other?
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12:33.15zicketAptitude::Keep-Recommends "0";   <-- and should i have this, or APT::Keep-Recommends "0"; or Aptitude::Keep-Recommends "false"; ? The sources i find all say different, and it seems that aptitude doesn't get it.
12:33.28enoufzicket: ofcourse - mine isn't empty - want to see an example?
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12:33.54abrotman!apt recommends
12:33.54dpkgSince lenny, APT installs recommended packages by default; if you don't want this, add "APT::Install-Recommends no;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf; or as a one-off, you can: apt-get --no-install-recommends install package_name, or set the APT::Install-Recommends option to false.  Understand that by not installing "recommended" packages, you will be missing functionality from the packages.
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12:34.31SkarmethOnce bugged, I stop the network, remove the r8169 kernel module, load it again, start network and the connectivity still not working. I must restart the system to get it back.
12:34.45enoufeverything after config-file , or installed are Recommends
12:34.49enoufhttp://rafb.net/p/hRIsVa74.html
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12:35.46SkarmethSome times, it make the system unresponsive, and I need to force the power off (system hangs).
12:36.03enoufdpkg apt recommends =~ s/functionality/functionality {read as: bloat}/
12:36.03dpkgenouf: OK
12:36.59zicketI've tried with keep-recommends no; as well. aptitude doesn't feel inclined to mark these packages for removal.
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12:42.15fantihello! i'm looking for a 64 bit version of debian? do i only have to replace the kernel with an amd64 enabled one?
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12:43.27zicketAh i found the reason
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12:43.56david-ewhich channel would be appropriate for questions about debhelper?
12:43.59zicketAPT::AutoRemove::RecommendsImportant "true"; <-- i need to change this default option. If it isnt' changed keep-recommends is meaningless to modify.
12:44.00aptzicket: that's too long
12:44.06enouffanti: 64bit is split into kernelspace and userspace
12:44.36enouf!factinfo debhelper
12:44.36dpkgdebhelper -- last modified at Thu Sep  1 02:54:47 2005 by cheal!i=chealer@pdpc/supporter/student/chealer; it has been requested 59 times, last by sh4d3sl4y3r_ at Mon Apr 27 15:01:20 2009.
12:44.45fantihm
12:44.58enoufdavid-e: maybe seek him out on irc.debian.org
12:45.02enoufin #debian
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12:45.28enouffanti: the 64bit x86 port is called amd64
12:45.32Firestarteranyone know what package in debian contains cryptlib.h
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12:45.45enoufFirestarter: apt-file
12:45.48enoufuse it
12:45.56enoufask dpkg the bot about it
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12:46.35david-eenouf: I mean "debhelper: collection of programs that can be used in a debian/rules"
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12:46.43enoufoh
12:46.46enoufheh
12:46.51enoufdh then
12:46.54jellydavid-e: you can ask here, or you can look in #debian-mentors (irc.debian.org)
12:46.54enouf!dh
12:47.39jelly!mentors
12:47.39dpkgmentors is probably the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/
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12:48.08david-eok: I'm triying to upgrade ttf-freefont as to use debhelper 5.0.42 but I get an error and I don't know how to fix it...
12:48.14enoufman o man, even the fat on that rib eye steak was delicious ;-)
12:48.31david-ejelly: oh, will try #debian-mentors thanx
12:49.09enoufdavid-e: pastebinning command + output will help others help you
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12:49.26enoufdavid-e: as well as the storyline ;-)
12:49.34MayaNow
12:49.54enouf(i mean the story/history/goal.. in channe;l)
12:50.54david-eenouf: http://rafb.net/p/8PdXru34.html
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12:51.32david-eone of the scripts should mkdir TTF and it works with previous debhelper
12:51.46enoufdh_install: ttf-freefont missing files (TTF/*.ttf), aborting
12:52.35david-eenouf: if I just lower debhelper version to 4-something it works
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12:53.00enoufso what
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12:53.31enoufread the changelogs for the newer version
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12:53.55SethXanybody knows which package provides "iodbc.h
12:54.01SethXi cant find it anywhere
12:54.22enouf!tell SethX -about search
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12:54.44david-eenouf: I assume something has changed in debhelper 5-something and don't know how to fix that (is there a list of things to know when bumping from one compatibility level to another?)
12:54.53enoufand make sure the pkg it came from is still in your Release version / being maintained / erc
12:54.59enoufetc*
12:55.13SethXenouf: i searched for that file name on the debian website, under "package contents" but it told me nuffink
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12:55.19enouf!apt-listchanges
12:55.19dpkgi guess apt-listchanges is a package that shows you the NEWS.Debian and/or the Debian changelogs for packages before upgrading them.  It's well worth it for stable users, to see what is happening to their machines as they apply security fixes.  It should be made _mandatory_ for users of testing and unstable.  Also ask me about <d-d-a>.
12:55.31abrotman!tell SethX about apt-file
12:55.38enoufSethX: when was it ever there?
12:55.55enoufand in which pkg?
12:56.06SethXit never was there
12:56.12SethXits needed by php5 though
12:56.23enoufi thought you said "anymore" .. my bad
12:56.38SethXif you add --with-iodbc=/somewhere/with/that/file
12:56.45SethXand i need that damn feauture
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12:56.51ajavidahhhhh good morning
12:56.56enoufthen start compiling
12:57.13SethXit wont compile php due to that missing thingie
12:57.28SethXbut ill try manually installing this one
12:57.31SethXlets see what happens
12:57.32enoufajavid: it's ok so far ... don't ruin it please ;-)
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12:58.10ajavidthey changed zend_loader_autoloader into a singleton class in 1.8
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12:58.30ajavidits already ruined... until i fix it!
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12:59.48ajavidregisterNamespace() should not be called statically ... doh
13:00.04ajavidoh btwI figured out the java issue with changing fonts and AA stuff
13:00.32ajavidit seems that as soon as I made netbeans forced to start with the default gtk look and feel, all of a sudden my AA fonts came back into netbeans
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13:00.43ajavidand also frostwire when i changed its look and feel to gtk
13:01.04ajavidit seems anti alias fonts only work in java apps on gtk look and feel for me, dunno about other people
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13:01.44ajavidalso
13:02.08ajaviddo you guys think that perhaps dsub over hdmi could cause shitetier sub pixle rendering?
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13:02.21ajavids/shittier/worser/bad
13:02.22ajavidwhatever
13:03.52bolt-workhow can "sub pixel rendering" be shitty?
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13:09.33jellyobjectively: it can be incorrect; subjectively: user might dislike the blurry colors
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13:10.06jellyand using analog output can definitely make things worse
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13:11.41jellyajavid: the default X server background pattern is useful when configuring VGA + LCD monitors
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13:22.26creature_lol wine has nice debug output
13:22.27creature_fixme:mixer:MIX_GetControlDetails Imagine this code being horribly broken and incomplete, introducing: reality
13:22.39creature_damn reality!
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13:26.14thrasholdiNs is spamming onjoin
13:26.36thrasholdHow to make Debian to stop changing the fscking console font on boot?
13:27.51thrasholdShoild I delete S48console-screens.h and S49console-setup from rcS.d?
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13:28.31nkuttlerthrashold: no, use update-rc.d or rcconf to do that
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13:29.48thrasholdThanks
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13:35.40Mayasomeone share a fun posix command with us
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13:36.52carlhi guys, what is the best driver for my ati mobility radeon hd 2600 xt? i am using the fglrx right now, but should i use the radeonhd or?
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13:37.46seniorakehow can i (e.g. by using /proc) read the tcp-packages which are being transfered over a nic? for example in a way that sniffers like wiresharks use
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13:38.21seniorakeI mean, like wireshark does - where does the tool get its packages to analyze from?
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13:38.34justinseniorake: packets
13:38.45justinseniorake: what are you trying to do?
13:38.48fantithe partition for hibernating should be of the same amount of memory as the RAM is? does the size depend also at the swap-space?
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13:39.01Wyzardseniorake: You can't read packets from /proc; wireshark uses a library called libpcap, and libpcap on Linux uses something called a raw socket for capturing packets
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13:39.19Wyzardseniorake: There's also tcpdump, which is a command-line tool that captures packets using libpcap
13:39.43justinor tshark. or dsniff. or any of the dozens of programs that use lpcap....
13:40.09seniorakei see. well i need to analyze the host-header of incoming tcp-packets and do specific actions depending on their value
13:40.11fotuentihi
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13:40.57eniohdoes apt automatically detect that i am in amd64 or i386 to fetch and install packages ?
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13:41.27Wyzardseniorake: The "host header" is part of an HTTP 1.1 message, not a TCP packet
13:41.48DustyDingoenioh: just install from the right image (there are amd64 and i686 etc.)
13:41.57seniorakeyes, but how could i extract that information using some other method? i can't use a http proxy here for that
13:42.08Wyzardenioh: whichever one you installed, that's what it downloads packages for
13:42.52eniohYes but my source.list was not configured during installation because of no driver card supported on installation (due to bnx driver)
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13:43.15fotuentii am experiencing some bizarre behavior with terminals under X, basically my command line always prepends a ":" to the front of PS1. this extra character messes up line editing and up/down arrow history browsing. it does not happen outside X, and i'm running lenny. any thoughts?
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13:43.56Wyzardseniorake: It's not quite clear what you're trying to do, but if you're trying to read and handle HTTP requests then raw packet capture is probably not the best way to do it
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13:43.59seniorakefor example, I would like to block the source IP - an example is a firewall - using iptables for example, when the package requested (using the host-header) some domain which i added to a blacklist - the only issue i've got right now is how to identify the package/source to its corresponding header
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13:46.10seniorakee.g.: Host: blacklisted.com ... having Source: 1.2.3.4 -> issue command: iptables .. -s 1.2.3.4 -j DROP
13:46.40seniorakeI can't implement a http-proxy or something here, this is why i need to solve it directly on the host, serving the http-request
13:47.13justinseniorake: why are you doing this exactly?
13:47.58seniorakeimagine a DDoS, from 5000 bots, all attacking one single domain on the server ... the system can take it when those IPs would be blocked, by means of traffic/bandwidth, but the http-server can't
13:48.35seniorakein my case it forks always a new process, leading to 404, because i removed the host in that case yet, but still, for example 1000 new forks/s crash the server, the httpd is unable to server any further requests
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13:48.57justinblocking an IP using iptables will not help you if you are being DDoS'd by 5000 bots
13:49.05seniorakewell it does.
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13:49.17justinthen you aren't being DDoS'd by 5000 bots
13:49.21seniorakethe system itself can take it, i had something similar recently
13:49.34carlok, lets try it this way, the radeonhd project, what are those drivers named in debian? ati? radeonhd? radeon?
13:49.38seniorake5000 is some horror-scenario perhaps, i'm taling about 800, in the recent example
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13:50.12justincarl: dpkg -L xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
13:50.17seniorakethose were not bots which cause much traffic, they just issue e.g. GET blacklisted.com .. every 5 seconds or so. but with 800 bots this makes quite a large amount of requests.
13:50.17carljustin: thnx
13:51.08justinseniorake: why even use iptables? you can just 'Deny from 1.2.3.4'
13:52.17seniorakeyes, but as i said, this requires a fork - the fork decides either if the host is blocked (Deny from..) or if it does not exist (return 404, or whatever), but the fork was created
13:52.22seniorakerecently this made about 500 forks at once, i also decreased the timeout, but this does not really help - and keep in mind: the http needs to server other "real" requests as well
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13:52.47justinseniorake: it sounds like you have other serious configuration issues on your host
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13:53.43seniorakei do not believe that. the problem is simply: how to defent from hundreds of bots, issuning GET-request on one single host every few seconds - how to filter this, before it comes to the httpd which has to handle the request then
13:54.10seniorakedamn why in the world is my text full of typos ..
13:54.22justinseniorake: use iptables then?
13:54.33seniorakethat's what i'm talking about?
13:54.41justinso.. do it?
13:54.48seniorakethe issue is here that i need to identify the IPs of the bots
13:55.00justinseniorake: tail -F /var/log/apache/access.log ?
13:55.17seniorakemy idea was to do this by analyzing the "Host:"-header of a tcp-package - if the source matches the blacklisted domain -> block the host using iptables
13:55.58seniorakethat isn't really going to work. once running, the httpd can't hardly log anything, it is to busy with forking new processes, the log is not really being written because of the high amount of requests/forks
13:55.58fantihmm what's the difference between amd64 and ia64 ? isn't ia64 recommended for intel core 2 duo (64 bit cpu?)?
13:56.19justinseniorake: like I said, it sounds like you have serious configuration issues
13:56.31\amethystfanti:  no, ia64 is Itanium
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13:56.43stewfanti: amd64 is for x86_64 (which is quite common), ia64 is for itanium (which is quite rare)
13:56.43fanti\amethyst: ah, thx
13:56.51lunkfanti: you want amd64 for core2duo/core2quad processors, i was wondering the same yesterday
13:56.55seniorakeI can't confirm that. The configuration as it is it the best for the scenario, i have to use forks instead of e.g. a threaded env, so this is also not an option
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13:57.29justinseniorake: yes, but it sounds like you have not properly set the limits on the maximum number of processes
13:57.41justinseniorake: if your box can't fork 500 procs at once, tell it not to
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13:59.18seniorakethere are reasons why it can not fork more than 500 - i mean it could, but please don't ask me to explain why, this would require typing long explainations - the limits are just fine under these circumstances, so my only option for now is to filter the requests before they arrive at the httpd
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14:15.16vi390hi, is there an installer i can use when generated a debootstrap environment and having chrooted into it, to make it ready to boot
14:15.28orak3lon gentoo im using "equery depends metacity" to list all installed packages which have dependencies on metacity. whats the debian equivalent for this?
14:15.47stewvi390: nope
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14:16.19steworak3l: aptitude search '~i~Dmetacity'
14:16.22\amethystorak3l:   apt-cache rdepends metacity
14:16.39steworak3l: aptitude search '~i~Rmetacity'
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14:16.41vi390stew: is there at least any other installer which helps towards this way :)
14:16.49stewvi390: nope
14:16.59steworak3l: the first i gave you was "installed and depended on by metacity"
14:17.18jellyseniorake: you could use netstat or iptables' conntrack (somewhere in /proc)
14:17.20stewno, i had it right the first time
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14:17.24stewhaha, i need coffee
14:17.27vi390stew: hmm okey, so you mean its not worth installing anything this way, instead using normal install disks ?
14:17.37stewvi390: that's not what I meant at all
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14:18.16orak3lstew, thx it worked. but weird syntax ;)
14:18.36jairI am wondering if I can use settings from my etch "xorg.conf" to my lenny "xorg.conf"? The xorg.conf on lenny is very limited, I guess I will need to add parameters manually?
14:18.44orak3l\amethyst, i stick with aptitude
14:18.45steworak3l: yeas.  its wierd but powerful.  the ~i means installed the ~D means "has a dependency".  (the ~R was reverse dependency)
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14:19.10vi390stew: okey :)  so well, maybe asking the other way round. Is there a fast way to generate a bootable basic debian system with debootstrap or any other method, rather than using install CDs
14:19.13gravityjair: Yes, you can
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14:19.39gravityjair: The X server doesn't need settings for most configs, so it doesn't ship many settings by default any more, but they should still mostly work.
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14:20.17gravityjair: If you have a randr1.2-capable driver you may need to adjust some settings as described here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
14:20.22vi390just need a hint where I can get more information about this. Iam pretty much standing on the line at the moment, since do not want to hack in everything manually in the debootstrap environment
14:20.26patrikf!tell vi390 about debian-live
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14:20.55orak3lstew, thx. do you got a web resource at hand, where this kind of stuff is explained?
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14:20.57stewpatrikf: that doesn't help him
14:21.08jairgravity: i will have to read about RandR12 to know what it is but I have an ATI rage xl card
14:21.12vi390.. right. it doesnt help me
14:21.26patrikfstew, vi390: right, sorry, misread
14:21.26gravityjair: Yeah, that wiki page will be of use to you then
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14:21.28jairand I think is integrated to the mobo
14:21.29steworak3l: in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en after installing aptitude-doc-en
14:21.56jairgravity: the ATI card I have is integrated is not a AGP card or anything like it
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14:22.14gravityjair: It doesn't matter, it's the same driver
14:22.14jairgravity: I will check the wiki link you gave me
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14:22.21jairgravity: alright
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14:23.28orak3lstew, i appreciate your help. really gentle
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14:26.51kerihi, i'm looking for some free application server with ssl support, anyone could help me there?
14:26.57jairgravity: when I run xrandr I get "Can't open display"
14:27.09justinkeri: what do you mean by "application server"?
14:27.13azeemjair: do you run it as root? on the console?
14:27.18keriapplication proxy
14:27.23kerisorry
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14:28.58jairazeem: as both root and user and in both I got the same result
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14:29.55justinvi390: afaik, all you really have to do is install the kereal and boot loader, /etc/fstab, /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname
14:30.02justiner, kernel :)
14:30.08azeemjair: in X or on the console?
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14:30.14justinkeri: what do you mean by "application proxy"?
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14:31.49kerii mean application proxy like zorp, just freeware...
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14:36.37qknighti have the problem that my x inputs (keyboard events like pressing key k) are duplicated and sometimes driplicated or malformed in arbitrary ways as for instances used with an modifier key altough no modifier key was pressed
14:37.57abrotmanthinks he types pretty well for a person with a duplication issue
14:38.28kerithat's what you get by eating in front of the computer
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14:41.23gravityjair: You are running X when you try to run xrandr, right?
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14:43.17SethXhey, uhm, php is drivin nuts once again
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14:43.25SethXanybody got an idea about this:
14:43.26SethXsrv:/usr/src/php5-5.2.9.dfsg.1# debian/rules binary
14:43.26SethXdebian/rules:128: /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make: No such file or directory
14:43.26SethXmake: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/quilt/quilt.make'.  Stop.
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14:43.55SethXsorry, bot
14:44.16liabledo you have quilt installed?
14:44.56\amethystSethX:   apt-get build-dep php5
14:45.38SethXsilly me.
14:45.40SethXthanks
14:47.04jairazeem: I was running it from a console not x
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14:47.29jairgravity: I was running the comnand from a CLI
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14:47.58jairgravity: anyway now I got it to work, I put some of the settings from the other computer I have running with etch and it works
14:48.18jairazeem: it looks like people have to run that conmmand from the X server
14:48.38creature_can usb devices be turned off?
14:48.51creature_or do i have to yank the cord?
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14:50.02justincreature_: you can depending on the hardware
14:50.11creature_what command?
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14:52.49SethXso, upgrading...
14:52.54azeemjair: indeed
14:52.54SethXprays
14:53.00justincreature_: i forget.. something in /sys I think
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14:53.26ribasushianyone running mailman on debian here? latest versions seem to have completely disabled the unsubscribe confirmation email
14:53.35ribasushihow can I bring it back? can't find the option :(
14:53.45stewjair: it can be run from a console, but the DISPLAY env variable must be set (which it wouldn't normally be in a console)
14:53.53SethXanybody ever did a dist-upgrade from etch to lenny?
14:54.07stewSethX: thousands of people
14:54.20SethXwill it kill my system?
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14:54.44stewSethX: not likely if you follow the procedure in the release notes (/msg dpkg etch->lenny)
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14:55.09SethXill read that, thanks stew
14:56.27jairazeem: I see
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14:56.41jairstew: I see
14:56.46jairThank you all
14:57.26justincreature_: http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:nBy5X2EDLUwJ:dannf.org/bloggf&hl=en&client=firefox-a&gl=us&strip=1
14:57.45sinelawhow do i tell dpkg-buildpackge to build with debuggin symbols? is that possible? or what do you do if you want a debugging symbol package?
14:57.47jairto solve my problem I got a couple of parameters from the xorg.conf on my etch machine and use it on the lenny xorg.conf file.
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14:58.53\amethystsinelaw:  to avoid stripping,  export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip"
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14:59.32\amethystsinelaw:  to build a debug package, change the dh_strip call to  dh_strip --dbg-package=foo-dbg
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15:07.27SparFuxI have exim-daemon-light installed and want to file a bug report. Should I file against exim4 or exim-daemon-liigtht? I am sure it also appppplies to exim-daemon-heavy.
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15:11.05joe|w3designhellp can i tell aptitude to look in unstable for certain packages
15:12.03petemcSparFux: whats the bug, out of interest?
15:12.32ruadhHi. Can anyone recommend a good book on Debian?  It must be easy to read and understand as I am new to this distro.  I hope to use one of my PCs a a server.
15:12.38SethXso, upgrading
15:12.40SethXpray for me.
15:12.49SparFuxThe bug is, that I can send Email thru my ISP with the CNAME, but not with specifying the alias dns name which my isp gave me. If I try alias name, I get error about unexpected tls packet length.
15:13.41petemcSparFux: i think that bug is already filed, a few times
15:13.50abrotmanruadh: http://debian.org/doc/books
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15:14.27ruadhabrotman, Many thanks :)
15:14.27SparFuxpetemc: But I cannot find anything about the fix I got. I put in the canonical name of the mailserver and the problem is fixed.
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15:14.43abrotmanruadh: also see just debian.org/doc .. tons of reference material there
15:15.03abrotmanruadh: just be aware that some of those books are out of datye
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15:15.20SparFuxpetemc: host smtp.alice-dsl.net. If I put in smtp.alice-dsl.net which my isp suggests, I get the error, with out.alice-dsl.net I don't get it and mail gets thru.
15:15.27petemcSparFux: you've read the bug reports? tried the various fixes suggested?
15:15.35SparFuxYes, I have.
15:15.41pred2k3hi, I want to install mysql database manager only, hows the package called?
15:16.02SparFuxpetemc: this might be a new issue.
15:16.09ruadhabrotman, Good point. Would 2007 + be ok?
15:16.24stewpred2k3: mysql-server
15:16.28abrotmanruadh: depends what oyu're using it for .. but for general admin stuff it should be okay
15:16.36abrotmanstew: he means the GUI tool i think
15:16.43ruadhthanks
15:17.07SparFuxpetemc: only the error message is the same. And it is misleading, because the tls is not the problem, but I think the problem is that exim looks for out.* as it has resolved it but in the clients.passwd there is the smtp.* host specified.
15:17.24pred2k3stew, but that installs the standard server too
15:17.45\amethystwhat does "mysql database manager" mean then?
15:17.46stewpred2k3: that installs the server, yes, I thought that was what you were talking about
15:17.59pred2k3the manager for cluster building
15:18.15stewmysql-admin?
15:18.27SparFuxpetemc: I am afraid there is no definitive fix for the bug yet.
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15:18.44sinelaw\amethyst, ok thanks
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15:19.42fantiare the amd64 apt-sources the same as for i386 ?
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15:25.31chavodelochohi guys, When I try to get the id of some users on my server, I don't have any answer, I have tested using getent and the status was "2".
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15:25.54\amethystchavodelocho:  that means the user was not found
15:25.59\amethystchavodelocho:  is the user in /etc/passwd?
15:26.07sinelaw\amethyst, and how can i turn off optimization? (no -O2 in gcc)
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15:26.38osfd_is there a french dude around ??
15:26.51iouplentyoui
15:26.52chavodelochook, but when I try a "wbinfo -u user" the server list this user
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15:27.11\amethystsinelaw:  I think adding  noopt  in addition to  nostrip   should do it; alternatively, you can set CFLAGS or CFLAGS_APPEND and add -O0
15:27.15stewsinelaw: packackage *should* let you use DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip noopt debug"
15:27.24osfd_iouplenty: tu as suivi les debats pour hadopi ?
15:27.31stew!fr
15:27.31dpkgPour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net.  French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
15:27.40chavodelochoand I have other equal servers, and all of them works
15:27.49petemcSparFux: sounded to me like you have an acceptable workaround
15:27.57SparFuxI have.
15:28.10SparFuxMy problem is solved, but I don't think this behaviour is desired.
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15:28.16\amethystchavodelocho:  is /etc/nsswitch.conf  the same as on the other systems?
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15:28.28SparFuxMy guess is that exim4 looks up the canonical name and tries to check it against the configuration file /etc/exim4/passwd.client to findlogin and password. When using the alias dns name in this file, exim4 doesn't find any login and password.
15:28.29sinelawnope it still -O2's with noopt
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15:28.53chavodelochoyes it is
15:28.56sinelawah ok, got it
15:28.56\amethystsinelaw:  then try  export CFLAGS_APPEND=-O0
15:28.56Ace2017_-Hi
15:28.58SparFuxSo, exim4 should lookup the canonical name as well as alias names, in case isp's publish alias names of their DNS servers.
15:29.04iouplentyosfd_: hadopi ?
15:29.16iouplentyosfd_: non
15:29.18Ace2017_-How can Wastebasket, Desktop and FIlesystem be removed from the places sidebar?
15:29.24Ace2017_-in gnome/gtk apps
15:29.27osfd_iouplenty: creation et internet ??
15:29.27Ace2017_-like thunar
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15:29.44petemcSparFux: when you have something like tls involved, its not easy to decide where the blame lays
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15:30.24petemcSparFux: exim just uses system calls to do dns lookups
15:30.49SparFuxpetemc: Ok, and I am no expert. I am not even sure about what I say. But I think I should publish at least this workaround somewhere so that people can find it and try it. It was good luck I tried this. A crazy idea. I didn't think of it working at all.
15:30.50chavodelocho\amethyst yes it is
15:30.54\amethystchavodelocho:  hm
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15:31.14petemcSparFux: the place to publish it would probably be appending it to the existing bug reports
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15:31.16suboptIs there some way to customize the tcsh prompt so that it replaces certain long path chunks with some other string of my choosing?
15:31.18SparFuxpetemc: Then in the bug report I will write that exim documentation should suggest trying other dns alias names and cname!
15:31.28petemcthats the spirit
15:31.37SparFuxpetemc: Right, but I have no idea which report would be the right one.
15:31.43\amethystchavodelocho:  same version of winbind on all the servers?
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15:32.03SparFuxpetemc: It seems to me the cause of this error is complex.
15:32.04vi390is there any usb netinstall image ? the CD install image does not work from a USB stick
15:33.15chavodelocho\amethyst hum, let me check
15:33.32\amethystchavodelocho:   also, do you get anything in the logs when you try looking up a user?
15:33.36petemcSparFux: 467137 or 482404 , i would think
15:34.09SparFuxBut without the certificates this bug has vanished. Mine persists.
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15:34.23\amethystchavodelocho:  I don't have much experence with libnss_winbind, unfortunately; I've only used files and ldap
15:34.32\amethyst(and dns, but not for users)
15:34.42chavodelocho\amethyst yes, "could not lookup domain user"
15:34.43SparFuxpetemc: plus, I am using exim4-daemon-light !
15:35.01\amethystchavodelocho:  that's all?  is there some way to turn the verbosity up?
15:35.22chavodelocho\amethyst I promote recently a Windows 2003 domain
15:35.38petemcSparFux: another idea would be to sit tight, you have a workaround anyway, and wait to see if the bug is resolved
15:35.57SparFuxpetemc: you mean as to cause not so much noise?
15:36.15SparFuxpetemc: perhaps I have a fix for many people's problems with debian exim.
15:36.26chavodelocho\amethyst the complete message in log is "[2009/05/12 12:17:03, 0] tdb/tdbutil.c:tdb_log(783)
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15:36.56SparFuxpetemc: don't get me wrong, the bug report is not for me. I have made a notice in my config file which reminds me to check nslookup output for mail servers and that's it for me. No problem here :-)
15:37.15\amethystchavodelocho:  hm... I'm not really sure where to go from here... maybe someone else has more libnss_winbind experience
15:37.36\amethystchavodelocho:  you might try #samba maybe if you don't have luck in here
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15:38.51chavodelocho\amethyst all right, the problem is a little strange, anyway thanks!
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15:39.52SparFuxpetemc: so, what should I do?
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15:40.13petemcSparFux: whatever you think best
15:40.26SparFuxpetemc: in 467137 nobody seems to have an idea how to solve the problem. Perhaps you are right and this is a good place.
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15:41.03SparFuxpetemc: on the other hand, you are right, the tls suggests you better don't use alias names at all.
15:41.57SethXuhm, seems my "updatedb" command dissaperead, in lenny
15:41.58jetpda!uuid
15:41.58dpkghmm... uuid is a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions (among other things).  See currently-known partition UUIDs with "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid".  In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst as use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name.  This helps cope with device name changes such as changing from hda to sda (libata transition) or changes in the order in which USB disks are discovered.
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15:42.11petemcSparFux: mentionng your workaround couldnt do any harm
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15:42.29SparFuxpetemc: and opening a new bug report could?
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15:43.20fantiis the sources-list file for an i386 the same as for an amd64 ? or must something be changed when using 64 bit debian?
15:43.37stewfanti: the same
15:43.40Polarinafanti: The same.
15:43.45fantithanks
15:44.16stewSethX: install mlocate
15:45.08jetpdayou have to use experimentl or your 64biy proc will melt
15:45.08SethXstew: is it better than locate?
15:45.15jetpdabit
15:45.40stewSethX: you won't notice a difference
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15:48.20ryanCHwhat's the difference between scripts saved as *sh and *bash etc..?
15:48.49stewryanCH: what do you mean by 'saved as' you mean with a different name?
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15:49.42stewryanCH: or are you talking about the shebang?
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15:49.55SparFuxpetemc: I add my 2 cents to 467137. thx for the help.
15:50.46ryanCHstew: like ive seen files like "install.sh" and another like "complete.bash"
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15:50.56stewryanCH: the difference is the filename
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15:51.17ryanCHstew: that's it?, nothing really special?
15:51.34stewryanCH: you could use that to interpret that one requires bash and the other is posix compliant, meaning it would run in bash or dash or posh or zsh etc
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15:52.01stewryanCH: but, in general, linux doesn't really treat files differently based on name
15:52.13ryanCHi see
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15:54.04petemcgnome works
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15:55.34SliMMpetemc: it's two slow, just a window manager
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15:55.53petemclxde? icewm?
15:56.13petemcits not slow if you have reasonably modern hardware, in my experience
15:56.26NiLonSliMM gnome is too slow? how slow computer you have
15:56.47petemcSliMM: there are lots of window managers, try them all - they're free
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15:58.58wonderwalim having problems installing mysql-server on stable, can someone please help? http://pastebin.com/d107d2d0f
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16:00.47wonderwalthen
16:00.48wonderwalhttp://pastebin.com/d7141aed5
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16:01.22module000wonderwal..apt-get update first, and also, pastebin your sources.lst
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16:01.35SliMMi think i'll try openbox
16:01.42SliMMfirst
16:02.32wonderwalah i was missing something in sources.list, my bad, sorry
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16:05.59dokinI have a .pdf file and I want to extract every page as a jpg. I think it already consists of jpgs. When I open it in Evince and right click a page and "save as" I don't see any difference between saving it as .jpg and .png. Now, how can I save *every* page automatically instead of right clicking and saving manually? And what's the best way of doing it so I don't lose any quality?
16:06.34themilldokin: imagemagick's convert can explode a pdf into a series of jpgs for you.
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16:06.55dokinthemill, thank you
16:06.56PolarinaI'd recommend exporting as PNGs instead.
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16:07.23PolarinaThe usage of JPEG takes away quality.
16:07.38themilldepends on the contents... there's a reasonable chance the colour images are already jpeg encoded
16:08.12\amethystyou'll lose text quality regardless, since you're converting from vector to raster
16:08.24dokinPolarina, if the image in the pdf is already jpg and I save it as jpg will that lessen the quality? because I'm comparing png to jpg by alt tabbing between them and see absolutely no difference. png is 1.3mb and .jpg is 246kb
16:08.29Polarinathemill: the 'convert' tool will still re-encode the entire page.
16:08.52Polarinathemill: Encoding as JPEG reduces quality.
16:09.24Polarinathemill: Even re-encoding an already encoded JPEG file will degrade quality further.
16:09.31themillof course. Converting jpeg to png will also increase the file size greatly.
16:09.39Polarinathemill: No!
16:09.40\amethystdokin:  there is 'pdfimages' from xpdf-utils
16:09.40stew(maybe)
16:09.48Polarinathemill: JPEG conversion to PNG is wrong.
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16:10.04\amethystPolarina:  he said the .pdf consists of  embedded JPG images
16:10.04Polarinathemill: You don't gain quality by that. You must save it originally in PNG to retain the quality.
16:10.04themillPolarina: he has already said that he thinks the contents are jpeg encoded.
16:10.19\amethystPolarina:  so what you were suggesting *is* converting from JPEGs to PNGs
16:10.25dokin\amethyst, I *think* it contains jpg, not 100% sure.
16:10.46dokin\amethyst, but file size isn't very big so I'm guessing jpg.
16:10.54themilldokin: if you think that it's images plonked into a pdf, the \amethyst's "pdfimages" suggestion is even better
16:10.55Polarinathemill: Sorry, I was addressing dokin, not you. :)
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16:11.09\amethystdokin:   try  pdfimages -j  from the xpdf-utils package
16:11.35\amethystdokin:  it will extract embedded DCT (JPEG) images as JPEG, and embedded bitmaps as PBM or PPM
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16:12.07dokinthe-dude, \amethyst thank you, I will try pdfimages.
16:12.32\amethystdokin:  it gives on only the images, not any additional text or whitespace, so it's not the same as rendering each page (and may produce better quality)
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16:13.09dokin\amethyst, there's no text in the pdf so that's perfect.
16:14.09\amethystdokin:  if the images are JBIG2 or JPX you might be out of luck, but usually it's DCT or CCITT
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16:17.54dokinThanks to everyone for helping me. I used pdfimages -j and the result is every page as .jpg which is almost the same size as the .pdf, I guess the smaller size is just because of the removel of the pdf format.
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16:20.39enoufdokin: maybe the resolution increased ;-)
16:20.41\amethystdokin:  yeah, the info that describes the pages is gone
16:21.10omid8bimohey fellows
16:21.20omid8bimoi have 2 question
16:21.49joe|w3designhey all, is there any way to tell aptitude to download certain packages form unstable?>
16:21.49enoufonly 2? you'll have to wait then :-p
16:22.02omid8bimowhen i want to switch to single user mode in my debian lenny, it get this error: 'single' exited outside the expected code flow
16:22.08dokinjoe|w3design, check out apt pinning
16:22.17enoufjoe|w3design: /msg dpkg pinning, but you should use backports
16:22.17joe|w3designdokin: cheers :D
16:22.28omid8bimoenouf: :)
16:22.31enouf(for ease)
16:22.55enoufjoe|w3design: if you're using lenny /msg dpkg backports.org
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16:23.44enoufer .. joe|w3design: if you're using lenny /msg dpkg backports.org ; /msg dpkg ssb (if the pkg isn't already backported)
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16:24.53joe|w3designdo i need to use backports
16:24.58enoufomid8bimo: how do you enter single?
16:25.02joe|w3designwhat if they dont contian the package?
16:25.17enoufjoe|w3design: hence; the other factoid
16:25.22stewjoe|w3design: /msg dpkg ssb
16:25.33omid8bimoenouf: at the grub boot menu or even by going to root and entering init 1
16:26.07enoufomid8bimo: hmm .. is that your own compiled kernel?
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16:26.51enoufomid8bimo: "by going to root" means what exactly?
16:26.51omid8bimoenouf: it's lenny's default kernel
16:27.10omid8bimoenouf: but i've installed and activated SELinux recently
16:27.15enoufbecoming root once fully booted?
16:27.49enoufomid8bimo: once you boot; 'runlevel' says? (should say S 2) - have you toyed with your /etc/inittab at all?
16:27.55omid8bimoenouf: by going to root means like going to one of ttys (ctrl+alt+f1) and entering root
16:27.59enoufahh
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16:28.17omid8bimoenouf: yeah normal runlevel is 2
16:28.27omid8bimoenouf: but won't go to runlevel 1
16:28.34enoufSELinux .. hrm .. was going into single ever an issue prior?
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16:28.48enoufomid8bimo: try 'teleinit 1' - see what happensa
16:28.54enoufer teinit
16:28.57omid8bimoenouf: i don't think so
16:28.57enoufgah!
16:29.03enoufomid8bimo: try 'telinit 1' - see what happensa
16:29.08NiLonis there somekind way to get pid of program that just started, like: ./foo > foo.pid
16:29.20NiLonthere can be more than 1 with same name so I don't know it after that
16:29.22omid8bimoenouf: okay, will try it
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16:29.32SethXso, now i upgraded to lenny, and finally i am still getting errors while building php5 from source
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16:29.40SethXits failing on php_imap.c
16:29.45greycatNiLon: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ProcessManagement
16:29.58enoufomid8bimo: also - can you show me your grub kernel line(s) ? pastebin it
16:29.59SethXi didnt change anything relevant to imap stuff in the configure options
16:30.05SethXanybody got some pointers?
16:30.14NiLongreycat ok checking that out :)
16:30.20omid8bimoenouf: sure
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16:30.59valdynSethX: i doubt anyone here has php_imap.c memorised and knows all its possible interactions
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16:31.24SethXdetailed error: http://pastebin.com/m3d64bb6c
16:31.27enoufomid8bimo: you could also disable selinux, then try - see if that has something to do with it
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16:31.36SethXill try fixing the syntax
16:31.40SethXjust thought somebody should know
16:31.42valdynSethX: thats not the first error
16:31.47omid8bimoenouf: probably .. yeah
16:31.58enoufomid8bimo: IINM, 'selinux 0' on the kernel line - or =0
16:31.59SethXvaldyn: let me check again
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16:32.37valdynSethX: dont try fixing the syntax
16:32.47SethXwhat to do then?
16:32.48enoufomid8bimo: dmesg | grep -i selinux to see if it's enabled once system comes up - /msg dpkg bootlogd (enable that - just as a side note)
16:32.56valdynSethX: fix the real error
16:33.15valdynSethX: failed macro expansion can produce such errors, but they are not the error
16:33.24SethXhttp://pastebin.com/m64f7e58
16:33.30SethXcan you see something i'm not seeing?
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16:36.08valdynSethX: still not the first error or a dependency is to old to provide the required macro
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16:37.18SethXwhat steps would you reccomend? i just upgraded from etch to lenny, no serious errors, and all packages are up to date
16:37.26valdynerror: 'RFC822BUFFER' undeclared (first use in this function) means that you miss a header file or need a different versions of some header file
16:37.38valdynSethX: that you learn C programming if you want to compile things
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16:38.14fantonio_brhi
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16:38.30SethXvaldyn: unfortunatley that's not a short term solution
16:38.47valdynSethX: paying someone who knows C is short term
16:38.57valdynSethX: using the php debian packages is short term also
16:39.16nkuttlerSethX: yeah, what's wrong with the debian packages?
16:39.17SethXphp debian packages dont have odbc support built in the way i need it to be
16:39.36valdynSethX: i doubt that you are competetent to evaluate that
16:39.38azeemphp5-odbc - ODBC module for php5
16:39.53SethXalso, i need the bundled libgd
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16:40.18SethXsince drupal depends on it, and i have some sites which scale loads of images. the other version is low quality in comparison
16:40.20valdynSethX: all that is in debian
16:40.22nkuttlerSethX: like php5-gd ?
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16:40.56SethXso what, i'm a jerk and am doing unneccessary stuff?
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16:41.10valdynSethX: youre not the first one certainly
16:41.17valdynSethX: but yea
16:41.29SethXgreat loads of pleasure .
16:41.37stewcan we please try to keep this constructive?
16:41.49valdynstew: it is
16:42.09nkuttleri'm still failing to see the real problem.. are the different gd versions for php5?
16:42.14SethXstew: i'm the one who offended myself. i'm not taking it in a bad way
16:42.21valdynSethX: i dont think anything is missing if you just install the debian packages
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16:43.11SethXok, ill try doing it another way then
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16:44.01themilldebian's php5-gd package is a little problematic because it doesn't actually have a few functions that some php things use :(
16:44.01valdynSethX: and thats also a general debian thing that everything is usually split up into many packages where it makes just some sense
16:44.25nkuttlerthen there's still the source package the one can tweak easily
16:44.34themillnkuttler: *nod*
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16:46.20voidCurious, is KDE difficult to use in Debian? I keep having various mishaps with it upon installing.
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16:47.09SethXnkuttler: this was the source package
16:47.13SethXwhich was failing
16:47.32SethXso, the way i see it, its not my fault
16:47.43valdynSethX: built it the wrong way
16:47.53valdynSethX: probably, i didnt see what you did...
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16:48.33valdynjudd: versions drupal6
16:48.33SethXi fetched the source packages, fetched the deps, adjusted some --with-whatever in the ./debian/rules, and finally ran ./debian/rules binary
16:48.33juddvaldyn: drupal6 -- sid: 6.6-1 etch-backports: 6.6-3~bpo40+1 lenny: 6.6-3 sid: 6.6-3 lenny-security: 6.6-3lenny1 squeeze: 6.10-1 sid: 6.11-1
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16:49.25SethXalso, i'm following this tut:
16:49.26SethXhttp://blog.madtech.cx/2006/12/08/debian-etch-libapache2-mod-php5-with-bundled-libgd-gdlib/
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16:49.39SethXwhich i already followed a few times, and it always worked
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16:50.53valdynSethX: lenny != etch
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16:51.17nkuttlerSethX: does debian/rules binary without any modifications produce errors?
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16:51.31SethXtrying now, let me see
16:51.32themillSethX: did you install the build-deps (apt-get build-dep php5)
16:51.39SethXthemill: yes
16:51.57lepiafHi all ! I got a problem of password with time admin, could someone help me ?
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16:52.11SethXcompiling...
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16:52.25nkuttlerlepiaf: can you ask the real question?
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16:52.48metalfanis it possibly that access to lvm is lost after upgrade to lenny because of the wrong module order? scsi controller/lvm?
16:53.42mikaelHow can i tell which video driver i'm currently running? secondly, i'm running unstable, and i've learnt that xorg.conf has gotten less necessary.. so how should one select video driver? I figured i'd remove everyone but xserver-xorg-video-intel (since i got some fairly new Intel GMA card)
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16:54.15lepiafnkuttler yep : I wanted to change time and when i gave my password, it doesn't work, probably because I got accents in my password, so I had to change root passwd to somethiong like "toto" to be able to change time...
16:54.15greycatmikael: look for lines like (II) intel(0):... in your Xorg.0.log
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16:54.15troythetechguyI've come to a point where I need to install windows server.  My server currently runs Debian 4.0 (excellent I might add), and I was thinking about installing Windows in a virtual environment.  What virtual environment is recommend for Debian?
16:54.18enoufmikael: in X ; grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
16:54.21kickarHi how can i add service to a default runlevel ?
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16:54.28kickarlike iptables for example ?
16:54.35enoufkickar: depends - a few ways
16:54.35kickaror mysql
16:54.41greycatkickar: read /etc/init.d/README
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16:54.44kickarenouf,  the easiest
16:54.51enoufoh, well /msg dpkg rcconf for mysql after you install it
16:54.54nkuttler!tell lepiaf about errors
16:54.58sosnixhello
16:55.09sosnixhow can i remove process installation
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16:55.16kickarok and how can i set iptables to default runlevel
16:55.24sosnixbeacuse i cant install any programs beacuse dpkg is busy
16:55.34mikaelgreycat: enouf: thanks, i can't believe how i could forget about the log.
16:55.55greycatkickar: for iptables stuff, the suggested way is to invoke your iptables script from a pre-up command in the primary network interface's stanza in /etc/network/interfaces
16:55.58wonderwalwhy does mysql seem not to log on debian?
16:56.01enoufkickar: for iptables, you could use some gui frontend, ; if using gnome, you could perhaps bring it up in system>preferences>sessions. Or, perhaps in /etc/networking would be better since you likely want those rules in affect much earlier
16:56.02greycatkickar: rather than using the init.d boot stuff
16:56.05sosnixhow
16:56.15sosnixcan i remove process from dpkg
16:56.19nphi all, i'm trying to install lenny on an ibm x3850 but kernel 2.6.26-2 hang just after tsc sync and install cd from amd64 panic on boot .... anyone can help me ?
16:56.26greycatsosnix: dpkg --remove pkgname, or apt-get remove pkgnamg
16:56.41nkuttlersosnix: there's probably an apt or dpkg process still running
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16:57.23sosnixhow can i see list of active process installtion in dpkg
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16:57.38nkuttlersosnix: man ps
16:57.57greycatps auxw | egrep 'dpkg|apt'
16:58.08alexei_romanofftroythetechguy: i use Vmware Server 1.0.X, it is good for me(about 30 windows machines live in them for testing purposes)
16:58.13greycatThat'll at least tell you which terminal you're running it on, but good luck finding out where the terminal is.
16:58.18TaramI have to creat a poster for a conference....has anyone here a recommendation for a suitable tool? openoffice impress or scribus??
16:58.32sosnixok i see from root proces
16:58.37sosnixhow can i now this kill
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16:59.16greycatsosnix: man kill
16:59.17enoufgreycat: do you happen to know what causes (good side effect) the grep process itself from not showing in ps aux | grep [s]omething output <--when using a bracketed 1st letter?  Doesn't work though all the time - odd
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16:59.31greycatenouf: that's a nasty old hack.
16:59.39enoufrighto ...
16:59.56greycatyou really want pgrep something
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16:59.57nkuttlerhmmmmm
17:00.04CutMeOwnThroatstew, actually there's a very noticeable difference between mlocate and locate... users won't see files anymore which they don't have access to (which means you have to become root to search for files to be sure they're not there)
17:00.06greycat(assuming all you want is the PID)
17:00.10enoufahh, yep - pgrep is nice
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17:00.36enoufhugs dlocate
17:00.52CutMeOwnThroatthat's totally different
17:01.29SethXnkuttler: it still fails.
17:01.40SethXfreshly downloaded everything, and no changes
17:01.46enoufCutMeOwnThroat: locate also has certain PATHS it doesn't search - see /etc/updatedb.conf, IIRC
17:02.02st3ven33hello
17:02.12CutMeOwnThroatenouf, I'm giving mlocate a try from ... now ... on
17:02.15nkuttlerSethX: that... should not happen. i'd guess either your env or apt sources are messy
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17:02.36CutMeOwnThroat(lets see how annoying that becomes - you're right, dlocate will still see "all" in packages)
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17:02.50enoufheh
17:03.07sosnixhttp://elohost.pl/aaa.GIF
17:03.08CutMeOwnThroatenouf, and the paths locate doesn't search are the ones you don't wanna know about
17:03.09sosnixi see this
17:03.26greycata gif?  is he kidding?
17:03.40enoufCutMeOwnThroat: really? even if i have TMPTIME=365 in /etc/default/rcS ?
17:03.41jellyCutMeOwnThroat: note that a) /etc/updatedb.conf becomes a regular config file, and has less features than locate b) I've seen mlocate just _overwrite_ it, no questions asked, so back it up if you have customized it
17:03.41nkuttlerit's the modern way of pasting. do you live under a rock?
17:03.43sosnixwhat wrong in GIF?
17:03.44CutMeOwnThroatsosnix, "enouf hugs dlocate"? :)
17:03.52greycatsosnix: there is no dpkg or apt running.  That's why you only saw the grep -E.
17:03.59greycatsphenxes: wjat
17:04.02greycatfuck.
17:04.14greycatsosnix: what's wrong is you made an image out of TEXT that you could have simply retained as text.
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17:04.34themillTaram: there was a thread on the debian-science mailing list a a few months ago that discussed that. The archives will give you a few perspectives.
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17:04.52CutMeOwnThroatgreycat, it's a captcha :)
17:04.53sosnixhttp://elohost.pl/zal.JPG
17:04.58enouf...
17:05.02greycatI give up.
17:05.11greycatsosnix: What are you trying to do?
17:05.19sosnixi want install mc
17:05.24sosnixbut i cant beacuse i have error
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17:05.31jellyit's much simpler to make a screenshot in windows than to do a pastebin
17:05.33greycatWhat is the error you get when you type "apt-get install mc"?
17:05.33m1rhello
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17:05.45sosnixi give you screen
17:05.46CutMeOwnThroat!tell sosnix -about pastebinit
17:05.50SethXnkuttler: do you have lenny?
17:06.22jellysosnix: make a pastebin instead, not all people helping have graphical environments
17:06.31m1ri have got spare machine where i would like to try install debian. will 1st cd only be enough for me to install it or i need download more then one ?
17:06.40CutMeOwnThroat. o O ( argh, argh, I'm blind, a Windows-Desktop... the pain, the pain, the paaaaiiiinnnn )
17:06.41sosnixhttp://pastebin.com/m183a8954
17:06.56greycatm1r: first CD is enough to install most of what you will want, probably.
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17:07.03greycatm1r: it depends on what you want.
17:07.17jellysosnix: first thing to do would probably be to run "dpkg --configure -a", like the command tells you to
17:07.32sosnixyes
17:07.34themillCutMeOwnThroat: many considered the ability for locate to tell $USER1 about the files $USER2 had to be a security problem, hence the "slocate" tool was created.
17:07.35m1rgreycat: mysql, php, radius
17:07.36sosnixi was runing
17:07.44Taramthemill: thx I will check that
17:07.50sosnixbut i was stock when he was confirued linux-sound-base
17:08.01sosnixconfigured*
17:08.12greycatm1r: if the Debian machine will be able to reach the Internet, then the first CD is more than enough; you can always download packages from the Internet once the base system is installed
17:08.17jellysosnix: do you actually need that package on the remote machine?
17:08.18themillTaram: http://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2008/05/msg00158.html and following
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17:08.29sosnixfor VNC
17:08.34sosnixXFCE
17:08.36sosnixi need
17:08.44m1rgreycat: yes machine will be online during configuration so i guess i am good with only 1st cd. many tnx m8
17:08.47sosnixso how can i cancel actual installation
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17:09.43sadsadwill dd backup of my 100GB partition (but only 10GB data there) have also 100GB? or just 10GB?
17:09.49m1rgreycat: one more thing, i have athlon burton 2500+ , i need download intel x86 instaler ?
17:10.09lunksadsad: should backup everything, including the zeros in the last 90gb
17:10.20sadsadokay, thanks lunk
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17:10.29pipegeekany idea why 'screen' seems to restrict the number of colors the terminal can display, regardless of $TERM?
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17:10.40SethXcould you be so kind and paste your sources.list to a pastebin, so i can see if i didnt screw up something in the process?
17:10.43sosnixso how can i do it?
17:10.44SethXnkuttler: was for you
17:10.48sosnixcancel
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17:11.33SethXi've got my own mirrors, but am just concerned with syntax and parameters in general
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17:14.19abrotmanSethX: show us yours, and we'll check them
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17:16.49sosnixhelp
17:16.58sosnixi was dpkg -configure -a
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17:17.13SethXabrotman: http://pastebin.com/d4467ba11
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17:17.21sosnixand stock in "setting up linux-sound-base"
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17:18.11themillSethX: you probably don't want to mix "lenny" with "etch/volatile"
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17:20.49sosnixWHO will help me
17:20.59sosnixHow can i abourt setting up
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17:21.02SethXthemill: removed that, and updated. its still fetching the same files.
17:21.05sosnixabort*
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17:23.00SethXnkuttler: so, is this a bug?
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17:23.52SethXpwd
17:23.54abrotmanSethX: and you probably want to point your debian-multimedia at lenny, not staable
17:24.08SethXok, will do
17:24.52sosnixso who will help me
17:24.53sosnixplease
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17:25.05mooperdHi,
17:25.13mooperdHow do I install j2ee
17:25.15mooperd?
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17:26.19abrotman!install java
17:26.19dpkgFor the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>).  For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations.  The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java-6-jre.  Also ask me about <install java etch>.
17:26.38CutMeOwnThroatthemill, yes, I understand that... but being the only user on my system for the most part...
17:27.16CutMeOwnThroatoh, dlocate depends on locate... interesting
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17:27.59themillCutMeOwnThroat: yeah, dlocate bastardises locate by feeding it interested databases
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17:28.14CutMeOwnThroathm, I don't understand that
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17:28.28themillinteresting*
17:28.34CutMeOwnThroatdlocate Depends: ), locate | findutils (<< 4.2.31-2),
17:28.35SirTopHat_hey, how can I figure out my model of graphics card from debian? does it have something similar to window's DXDiag? I tried google but no avail
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17:29.00steveireHey, Is there a channel for debian packagers?
17:29.08CutMeOwnThroatI got findutils installed, yet, if I remove locate, it removes dlocate
17:29.12gravitySirTopHat_: If you've got X running, read the logfile in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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17:29.18themillCutMeOwnThroat: etch?
17:29.19OpenTokix#debian.tar.gz lololol
17:29.22gravitysteveire: There's #debian-mentors on oftc
17:29.22CutMeOwnThroatlenny
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17:29.30steveireotfc?
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17:29.40gravityirc.debian.org is an alias to it
17:30.37steveirethe freenode channel seems to be private.
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17:31.04gravityLike I said. Use oftc.
17:33.21sosnixSetting up linux-sound-base (1.0.13-5etch1) ... AND stock ..... 20min and nothing
17:33.29sosnixhow can i this abort?!!?!?!?!?!?!
17:33.59CutMeOwnThroat^C
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17:35.00beardysosnix: Why are you running Etch?
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17:35.10sosnixbeacuse i like it
17:35.20sosnixok
17:35.25sosnixeverythink is now working
17:35.37Vyrus001is there a reason the debian version of rpm does not have -ba ?
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17:36.53themillVyrus001: according to the man page, that option has been deprecated for a long time and is now in the "rpmbuild" command
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17:37.42Vyrus001themill: well see... thats what i get for not rtfming :D
17:37.43Vyrus001thnx
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17:37.59themillnp
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17:39.17CutMeOwnThroathaha
17:39.26CutMeOwnThroat<themill> np
17:39.26CutMeOwnThroat<-- np has quit ()
17:39.47greycatthemill: quick, say CutMeOwnThroat
17:39.51themillCutMeOwnThroat
17:40.05themillI am the kiss of death!
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17:40.36CutMeOwnThroatdamn you!
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17:41.38CutMeOwnThroatthe eerie powers of themill
17:41.38themillwonders who he should kill off next
17:41.52abrotmanhas a few ideas ...
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17:42.12themillteehee
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17:43.02CutMeOwnThroatthat's a dangerous gift you got there
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17:43.34CutMeOwnThroatthemill, say themill
17:43.51themillCutMeOwnThroat
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17:44.32CutMeOwnThroatsticks his fingers in his ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, themill"
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17:53.33mikaelSo, is it save to just remove the logs /var/log/{message,kern.log,syslog} ? Seems like i had a bug in the previous kernel, which spammed output constantly, so they are all 940MiB each.
17:53.40stuckeyAnyone know how I can install flightgear 1.9.0 in lenny?
17:54.10justinstuckey: apt-get install flightgear?
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17:54.39sosnixagain....
17:54.53sosnixSetting up linux-sound-base (1.0.13-5etch1) ... and nothing i was  ^[[C  and nothing to aboirt
17:55.21greycatsosnix: ^C means hold down Ctrl and press C
17:55.22beardyAgain, why are you running Etch?
17:55.55sosnixyea thanks!
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17:56.53beardyThe version of linux-sound-base in Lenny is "1.0.17.dfsg-4"
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17:57.09greycatMaybe he didn't feel like dist-upgrading yet.
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17:57.20beardyThen his question was wrong.
17:57.54kiraahey guys, under debian command line... how can I change the frame buffer to 1024x786x256??
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17:58.13beardykiraa: The vesafb?
17:58.22kiraayes
17:58.48beardykiraa: You look up the number corresponding to that resolution.
17:59.15cyWhat package contains the info page for emacs?
17:59.17kiraalook where exaclty, Im sorry Im not an advanced user
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17:59.33greycatIf you're not an advanced user, I'd suggest running X instead.
17:59.33beardy!vesa modes
17:59.34dpkgi guess fbcon resolution is run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes.  The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305.  Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot.
18:00.44beardykiraa: Also, http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~gerald/laptop/vesafb.txt
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18:01.09kiraathanks
18:02.08beardykiraa: You want vga=305 for 256 colours, but why not 16M, vga=318 ?
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18:02.40kiraabeardy: I just dont know if 16M colors would make a difference in the command prompt
18:02.52beardykiraa: No, probably not.
18:03.04jelly-homethat's 0x305 (or 773), but not just "305", beardy
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18:03.08beardykiraa: But if you use the fb, you can watch movies there and so on, so perhaps.
18:03.29zahnaare the files in /etc/default supposed to be modified, or are they considered "read-only"?
18:03.30jelly-homebeardy: and to answer the question, "because 24bit is bloody slow"
18:03.40beardyjelly-home: IIRC it works fine when having vga=ask to just give 318, so I think it does, but yes, not correct.
18:03.59greycatzahna: they are modifiable
18:04.02jelly-homevga=305 will make the kernel parse it as base 10
18:04.06kiraahmm, I did not know I could watch movies in the command line!!!
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18:04.12zahnagreycat: that's not considered bad form?
18:04.18profanephobiahey all im looking for some great animated desktops videos, but im not having too much luck finding any. does anyone here know where some may be?
18:04.20greycatzahna: no, you're expected to edit them
18:04.24zahnagreycat: ok, thanks
18:04.31beardyjelly-home: No difference, it's slow in fb in the first place, higher resolution second, and then what you said yes.
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18:04.40greycatzahna: they're sort of "the configuration files for the /etc/init.d/* scripts"
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18:04.49jelly-homebeardy: 24bpp is noticeably slower
18:04.49st3ven33I would like to set up a new machine with WinXP, Win7 and Debian. What would be the smartest partitioning cheme? I thought that 40GB for WinXP, 40GB for Win7 and 40GB for Debian and swap. All the remaining space (130GB) will be a NTFS partition for movies, music etc and every OS has access for it. Is it a good option?
18:05.13beardyzahna: What jelly-home said then, vga=0x??? it was quite a while ago I used it..
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18:05.16jelly-homehas played with fb on various hardware
18:05.47zsquareplusci have a problem with a usb-serial converter in lenny. it used to use ti_usb_3410_5052.ko in older releases and the same file is still there in 2.6.26 on kernel.org. but the debian kernel seems to miss that module :/ is that intention? docs?
18:06.45beardyjelly-home: I still think it parsed it correctly, but oh well.
18:06.52jelly-homeit's possible
18:07.07jelly-homeI didn't use it interactively
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18:07.40jelly-homebut in the olden days, kernel didn't know about hex so one had to do vga=773
18:07.58justinzsquareplusc: grep USB_SERIAL /boot/config*
18:08.19jelly-homeand after that near 2.6.20 or so, it gained the magical ability to... parse hexadecimal numbers
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18:08.39beardyWell, this was on 2.4.x so..
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18:09.04themilljudd kconfig USB_SERIAL_TI
18:09.04dustybinif you run a online store what uses php, should one use mod_security ?
18:09.05juddthemill: Searching for 'USB_SERIAL_TI' in lenny kernel config gives USB_SERIAL_TI=n.
18:09.07kiraalemme ask you again guys, can u watch movies in command live if one uses fb?
18:09.12themillzsquareplusc: ^^
18:09.23kiraacommand line*
18:09.28justinkiraa: that has little benefit over just running X these days
18:09.31beardykiraa: Yes you can, if the player supports it. Like mplayer.
18:09.33jelly-homekiraa: it depends.
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18:09.35beardyIt is nice.
18:09.39beardyStop forcing X.
18:09.42themilljudd kconfig USB_SERIAL_TI --release etch
18:09.43juddthemill: Searching for 'USB_SERIAL_TI' in etch kernel config gives USB_SERIAL_TI=m.
18:09.53themillzsquareplusc: ^^ so this has changed between etch and lenny
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18:10.07mneHi, hwo can I compile a 32-bit kernel on a 64bit machine ? gcc can do this "out of the box" with the "-m32" parameter.
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18:10.31greycatmne: it won't be as simple as changing one gcc flag.
18:10.37jelly-homekiraa: if mplayer supports your card's video overlay natively (its various "vidix" drivers), it might be usable
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18:11.02kiraajelly-home: ok
18:11.04mnegreycat, of yourse I also need the proper libs for it (which are available in libc6-dev-i386)
18:11.06justinwould just 'startx /usr/bin/mplayer ...'
18:11.17jelly-homekiraa: if your machine is really fast, it might be usable as well.  If you're lucky it might work in fullscreen too.
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18:11.32greycatwants to stab startx and xinit for requiring that the client begin with / or .
18:11.43jelly-homekiraa: in general, you'll get much better performance in X.
18:12.04CutMeOwnThroatjustin, and that's supposed to do what?
18:12.08stuckeyIf I compile a program from source and install it will that screw up my stable install?
18:12.16CutMeOwnThroatoh
18:12.19CutMeOwnThroatsees the ... now
18:12.29stuckeyIt's simgear 1.9.0 that I want... I need it to compile flightgear 1.9.0---or is there a way to do this without compiling the other program?
18:12.33kiraajelly-home: since that machine is somewhat old, I use twm as windows manager
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18:12.34jelly-homestuckey: depends on where it gets installed
18:12.40kiraawindows manager*
18:12.44jelly-homekiraa: wm is irrelevant for mplayer
18:12.46kiraawindows** :P
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18:12.47beardystuckey: Not if you do it in a good way. Why do you have to, check if there are backports first.
18:13.01kiraajelly-home: ok
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18:13.35stuckeybeardy: i've never found anything on backports... are there really packages there?
18:13.52beardystuckey: Only build things under /usr/local, if possible, build a .deb and install that to avoid clutter.
18:13.54jelly-homekiraa: basically you want mplayer to work with any video overlay output it supports.  It might be -vo xv, or xvidix, or some specialized one for your card
18:13.55beardy!backports
18:13.55dpkgit has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package#s-port, http://backports.org/.  Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>.  See also <simple sid backport>.
18:13.56zsquarepluscjustin, themill: ok thanks. so the module isn't built anymore :(  hmm. now how do i get that.. its an NSLU2, compiling is no fun there ;-)
18:13.57beardyYes.
18:14.14stewstuckey: there are lots of packages on backports
18:14.29stuckeystew: no simgear or flightgear
18:14.31beardystuckey: The question is why you need to, because of a newer version, or because it's not packaged at all, for fun, or what?
18:14.54jelly-homekiraa: for xv to work, you need to have and use a proper xorg driver for your card, and it has to support xvideo.
18:14.58beardyOh right.. but you didn't answer if you ran Etch even..
18:15.10stewstuckey: correct
18:15.10stuckeybeardy: Yeah I'm trying to waste time because I've nothing better to do... I thought I might try the new version of flightgear (1.9.0), but I need simgear 1.9.0 to compile flightgear 1.9.0. Unfotunately lenny has simgear 1.0.0.
18:15.15themillSethX: "apt-get source php5=5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3; sudo DIST=lenny cowbuilder --build php5_5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3.dsc" successfully builds the php5 package in lenny. So it would seem likely that your failure to build php5 is either due to missing build-deps or your changes to the build options.
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18:15.59greycatpackages are built by cows?
18:15.59beardystuckey: But you seemed to be running Etch. That's fine, but not if you don't even know it.. can you paste the result of 'cat /etc/debian_version' please?
18:16.05themill!moo
18:16.05dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
18:16.08stuckeybeardy: no lenny
18:16.10jelly-homekiraa: a P3/500 notebook with a mach64 based card used to play most if not all dvd-sized video
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18:16.28stuckeybeardy: 5.0.1
18:16.32greycatThat might explain why php smells funny.
18:16.35dustybinif you want to use apache mod security on debian, do you need to compile apache yourself?
18:17.16themillgreycat: that, amongst many other reasons
18:17.24stuckey!wasting time
18:17.29jelly-homedustybin: no
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18:17.55dustybinjelly-home: i thought you need a: --enable-module=security  ?
18:17.57jelly-homedustybin: just install apache -dev packages, and build mod_security with apxs (apxs2, whatever)
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18:18.08dustybinoh
18:18.11beardystuckey: Only official repositories, and updated, and really saying "lenny" in your sources.list? That sound package was the Etch version so that's why I ask.
18:18.18jelly-homedustybin: mod_security is separate source, isn't it
18:18.24dustybinright i see
18:18.28jelly-homenot part of apache
18:18.36dustybinok
18:18.43stuckeybeardy: what sound package???
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18:19.53stuckeybeardy: but what were you saying about the right way to install this software so that I can compile the other?
18:19.55beardystuckey: You were not using the nick sosnix?
18:20.01stuckeybeardy: no this is my nick
18:20.11dustybinbecause debians apache runs under the 'www-data' user, does that mean it is pointless running apache in a chroot?
18:20.26klotzstuckey: check out http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/   spend less time fighting your distro and more time flying
18:20.28jelly-homebeardy: maybe he moved from .pl to .de real fast
18:20.30justinstuckey: i doubt you will be able to install the new flightgear without installing the new simgear
18:20.40jelly-homebeardy: (or there was a blitzkrieg :->)
18:20.53beardyjelly-home: I didn't check that deep. Two people asking about flightgear within a few minutes seemes enough.
18:21.02beardystuckey: Nevermind then.
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18:21.14stuckeyjelly-home: uncalled for
18:21.16jelly-homeprobably a /. post or something similar
18:21.25stuckeyjelly-home: my ststem?
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18:21.40PierreNhi
18:22.17jelly-homestuckey: sorry, I know you .de people mustn't joke about the war
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18:23.47PierreNi just upgraded my system (unstable) but arrow key doesn't work under X (work under consol). is it a known issue ?
18:24.14module000PierreN: check which keymap you are using
18:24.20stuckeybeardy: you mean install things only in /usr/local?
18:24.30stuckeybeardy: and how do I build a .deb from source?
18:25.00beardystuckey: Only build and install there, yes.
18:25.01themillPierreN: check the bts
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18:25.18stuckeybeardy: why there?
18:25.32beardystuckey: man hier
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18:26.27beardystuckey: Because it is where you install locally built things to not mess up your system and it's directories.
18:26.33ChrisWhey all - is there any way I can get it such that only non-duplicate commands are added to my bash history?
18:26.34beardyits
18:26.39stuckeybeardy: i see...
18:26.53beardystuckey: Is the version you want in unstable?
18:27.03stuckeybeardy: nope, already checked that.
18:27.22beardystuckey: If not, then building a deb is a lot harder.
18:27.34module000ChrisW: http://www.catonmat.net/blog/the-definitive-guide-to-bash-command-line-history/
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18:28.11module000ChrisW: it revolves around the env variable HISTIGNORE, that link explains it
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18:28.50PierreNmodule000: how to check it please ?
18:28.58mnegreycat, building a 32 bit kernel on a 64 bit system is even simpler than what I suggested: "make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --cross-compile - --arch i386 kernel_image". That's all yu need
18:29.03ChrisWmodule000: thanks :-)
18:29.09CutMeOwnThroatChrisW, didn't work as expected for me, though
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18:30.13module000PierreN: look for: Option "XkbModel" <keyboard map>     - in your xorg.conf
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18:30.17CutMeOwnThroatChrisW, I still get duplicates if they commands aren't directly in sequence
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18:30.43ephaki need some help configuring xorg to change refresh rate
18:30.54ephaki cant get above 60hz and 1024 768 resolution
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18:31.09ephaki've added my monitors horizsync and vertical refresh into xorg and i get errors
18:31.41greycatephak: which version of Debian, and are you using the VESA driver or something other?
18:31.55ephaklenny, i just installed it
18:32.13stuckeybeardy: i'll read about it later then
18:32.31ephakso no shouldnt be any drivers
18:32.47ephaki have an ati x800 pro and a hyundai b90d monitor
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18:33.09module000ephak: and your "monitor" section is properly defined in xorg.conf? and your screen section set to use that monitor definition?
18:33.19CutMeOwnThroatChrisW, although I have HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth:erasedups
18:33.39CutMeOwnThroat(erasedups doesn't seem to do what's promised by man bash)
18:33.42ephakyeah it just says for the ID "Monitor" and screen says the same
18:33.47module000ephak: by "properly", it should look like so: http://pastebin.com/m6daa170e
18:33.53ephakwhen i restarted gdm it gave me xorg error
18:34.01ephakon the horiz line
18:34.05ephaklet me check that
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18:34.27ephaki dont have the subsection display set, but i have the numbers i want
18:34.32ephakand my device isn't shown
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18:35.02ChrisWCutMeOwnThroat: thanks, I'll try that
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18:35.23greycatThe important question will be whether your ati x800 pro card is supported by the radeon driver in lenny.
18:35.35jelly-homeephak: are you connecting the monitor via an analog output (VGA) or digital (DVI-D or HDMI)?
18:35.39ephaki havent installed any driver, should i?
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18:35.44ephakanallog
18:35.48jelly-homeah.
18:36.01greycatThe free X drivers are installed along with the X server, typically.
18:36.02jelly-homeephak: please pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
18:36.09ephakok
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18:36.28jelly-homeephak: oh, and your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, just for completeness
18:36.41mxmxis there a way to recover the mysql password with root access?
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18:36.58stewmxmx: /msg dpkg i forgot mysql's root password
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18:38.08mxmxmy whole server is lagged out becsaue fo a mysql problem
18:38.14stuckeybeardy: what else could I do to waste time with Linux?
18:38.22PolarinaWhy doesn't this work? It behaves as if there were no arguments passed to it...  bash -c "echo gcc -c ${1} -o crap.o" -- hello.c
18:38.27mxmxon top of that i cant reboot it caue of soems witch error at the datacenter
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18:38.46greycatPolarina: the ${1} inside *double* quotes is expanded when you type it, before bash is run.
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18:39.01Polarinagreycat: Oh, how do I fix that?
18:39.04ettercap_dzien-dooo-bry
18:39.07greycatPolarina: it's expanded to the $1 of your shell where you ran it, which if it's an interactive shell is probably the empty string
18:39.07ettercap_and hello
18:39.16UncleBobEscapethe dollar and brackets
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18:39.26greycatPolarina: use single quotes instead of double quotes
18:40.09PolarinaWhat's the difference between single and double quotes?
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18:40.30ephakhttp://pastebin.com/m4177c42c
18:40.33linkda bit of printer ink
18:40.33ephakther'es the error log
18:40.33greycathttp://bash-hackers.org/wiki/doku.php/syntax/words  http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Quote.html
18:40.46ephaki had to run xorg recongiure so xorg.conf is now reset
18:40.58greycatI don't think I have a good quoting page on the wooledge.org wiki yet.
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18:41.09ephakhttp://pastebin.com/m40492b7
18:41.13ephakis the xorg.conf
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18:41.54illscihow can you use dpkg to tell if a package has been modified...
18:42.07illscii forget
18:42.37module000illsci: you mean with checksums? like debsums?
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18:43.09illsciwell what i really want to do is see if i added a method to the paramiko python source frmo the debian package
18:43.15illscii can't remember if i added it or not
18:43.34illsciif i could tell if it changed i would knwo i guess... if i could see the difference that would be great
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18:43.57mineralewhat's the difference between linux-image-2.6-686  and 486 ? (I have an AMD Opteron)
18:44.44Polarinaminerale: 686 is faster.
18:44.47greycatminerale: optimizations and instruction set opcodes
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18:44.52stewminerale: 486 would only support a single core and ~1gb or so of ram.  686 would support  multiple cores and up to ~4gb of ram
18:45.02ephakit looks like x800 pro is supported
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18:50.10ephakany clue?
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18:52.51mick_laptopwhat can i do if i have a hosed video driver?
18:52.53SerajewelKSdoes anyone know offhand where a unix system gets group membership information after authentication?
18:53.06SerajewelKSi thought it was basically the same place that "getent group" gets its information
18:53.08greycatSerajewelKS: /etc/group typically
18:53.21zinx/etc/passwd and /etc/group
18:53.22greycatyes, it can be a different source (NIS, etc.)
18:53.22SerajewelKSgreycat: on a system with pam funness though
18:53.28SerajewelKSand nsswitch
18:53.36magyar_hi, how do i find out when a newer version of the kernel will be in testing?
18:53.36zinxyeah
18:53.44SerajewelKSi'm running into a situation where getent group and id consistently return different information
18:53.48greycatOn nsswitch systems, it'll read nsswitch first and then consult what that says to consult.
18:53.50SerajewelKS*consistent* different information too
18:53.58zinxSerajewelKS: what information do you need?
18:54.04greycatAnd what system is it on?
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18:54.20SerajewelKS"id" shows groups that the user is not in, and doesn't show groups that getent says he's in
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18:54.27zinxSerajewelKS: id probably uses getgid and getgroups
18:54.32SerajewelKSzinx: i need to know where the group information is coming from
18:54.39mick_laptopif i boot up - i can quickly access ctrl+alt F2 -- and get in as root, i tried to /etc/init.d/gdm stop -- but then it went to F7 and my screen is hosed -- i cant even go to ctrl+alt F2 anymore.
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18:54.42zinxSerajewelKS: which is, authoritatively, the groups that the user is in
18:54.44SerajewelKSzinx: right, but what does setgroups, and where is that info coming from?
18:54.50zinxSerajewelKS: login does it
18:54.57zinxSerajewelKS: it's coming from pam on a Debian system
18:54.58SerajewelKSzinx: where does login get the info?
18:55.06SerajewelKShmm
18:55.08greycatmick_laptop: boot into single user mode and /msg dpkg nodm
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18:55.19enoufmagyar_: follow the debian-kernel mailing list?
18:55.20mick_laptopgreycat: thanks
18:55.26SerajewelKSzinx: might the pam winbind module return different group info than the winbind nss module?
18:55.40zinxSerajewelKS: i suppose it's possible, i don't know really
18:55.53greycatI guess the answer to my question was "some wacko Linux box".
18:56.16SerajewelKSgreycat: winbind seems capable of turning any linux box into a wacko linux box
18:56.35greycatI was thrown off by the word "unix" in the original question.
18:56.53SerajewelKSah well i meant *nix in general, debian specifically
18:57.12zinxi only answer Debian questions in here anyway :P
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18:57.31greycat"Unix in general" would be what I was answering for -- if the flavor in question has nsswitch, it uses that; otherwise it probably uses /etc/group and will consult NIS if there's a + line in the group file.
18:57.42mxmx-bash: /etc/init.d/mysql: No such file or directory
18:57.47greycat"Unix in general" has no PAM or winbind or any of that.
18:57.52SerajewelKSright
18:58.05mxmxwhere else can mysql be?
18:58.16SerajewelKSgreycat: but do pam modules provide group information for actual sessions, and can it differ from what an nss module provides?
18:58.23greycatmxmx: did you remove the boot script?
18:58.29greycatSerajewelKS: no idea
18:58.32zleaplocate mysql perhaps
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18:59.22mxmx./etc/init.d/mysqld?
18:59.28mxmxwould that be the same?
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18:59.34greycatmxmx: ls /etc/init.d   might help you.
18:59.53mxmxyeah i did that
18:59.55greycatthen you can read the individual scripts there and make sure they're the ones you want
18:59.57mxmxi only see mysqld
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19:01.07mxmxso is topped mysqld
19:01.12mxmxand ir un the command mysqld --skip-grant-tables
19:01.18mxmxand it doesnt recognize the command
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19:02.37greycatmxmx: are you sure you're root?  and that you didn't fuck up your $PATH variable?  (it should contain /usr/sbin among others...).  mysqld is in /usr/sbin/ on lenny.
19:02.50mxmxi use etch and i am root
19:03.03mxmxits jsut a custome crappy debian etch
19:03.15enoufwut?
19:03.25greycatIt's in the same place on etch -- /usr/sbin/mysqld
19:03.28enoufyou're just a crappy admin ;-)
19:03.33mxmxthanks
19:03.35mxmxso
19:04.00enouffind /etc/init.d -name '*mysql*'
19:04.18mxmx./etc/init.d/mysqld
19:04.39enoufso start it
19:04.40jelly-homemxmx: you have a "." extra at the beginning
19:04.54mxmxjelly so that the message comes through here
19:04.57enoufthat's just the way find outputs
19:05.16greycatenouf: no, he's using a crappy IRC client and he's manually typing a . instead of a space
19:05.17jelly-homemxmx: yes.  But don't run it with a dot, use just /etc/init.d/mysqld
19:05.18mxmxjelly i stopped it to recover the mysql password
19:05.25mxmxok jelly
19:05.30enoufgreycat: yikes .. ouch .. and ok ;-)
19:05.32mxmxi am not running it with a dot
19:05.33jelly-homemxmx: yes yes, I can read the backlog.
19:05.54enoufcrosses hit dots with tees
19:06.04mxmxok and the next isnturccion says mysqld --skip-grant-tables
19:06.17mxmxbutmysqld isnt a recognized command
19:06.17enoufinstruction?
19:06.29mxmxtry /msg dpkg i forgot mysql's root password
19:06.35jelly-homemxmx: does your $PATH contain /usr/sbin ?
19:06.38greycatmxmx: how did you manage to break root's $PATH?
19:06.43enouf!ifmsrp
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19:06.51jelly-homegreycat: it's rather easy in debian.
19:06.51enouf!ifmrp
19:06.52dpkgIf you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html, or <mysql initial password>
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19:07.05jelly-homegreycat: sudo can do it
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19:07.08mxmxi ddint break it
19:07.14enoufecho $PATH
19:07.14greycatmxmx: how did you become root?
19:07.28enoufalready ffs
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19:07.50mxmxits: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
19:07.57greycatmxmx: ls -ld /usr/sbin/mysqld
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19:08.01enoufexport PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin as my username ;-)
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19:08.21mxmxls: /usr/sbin/mysqld: No such file or directory
19:08.29enoufdo you have other mysql crap installed in the local/ dirs?
19:08.30greycatmxmx: so we're back to, did you remove mysql?
19:08.35enoufouch
19:08.35mxmxmaybe
19:08.42jfm3hello #debian.  I'm on an amd64 machine.  How can I install 32 bit boost librarires?
19:08.43mxmxi have directadmin installed in my sistem
19:08.47enoufmuh2000: well, it'll supercede the system ones
19:08.48greycatI'd suggest you replace it, before attempting to change its password.
19:08.49jaggz-1I can't seem to get exim to send out mail
19:08.56enoufbecause of your PATH ordering
19:09.07mineraleis there an apt-get configure or reconfigure ?
19:09.12greycatenouf: his PATH is fine
19:09.12mxmxi dint remove mysql
19:09.17jelly-homemxmx: you seem not to have Debian's mysqld, anyway
19:09.18greycatmxmx: someone did.
19:09.29SerajewelKSgreycat: seems it's a combination of two things: getent group doesn't flatten the group heirarchy, and it shows mailing list groups in active directory.  the pam module flattens the heirarchy (so you are a member of groups that your groups are in, ad infinitum) and doesn't put you in mailing list groups.
19:09.30enoufgreycat: not if the binary in /local/ is broken
19:09.32greycatOr, as jelly said, you're not using Debian's packages.
19:09.36SerajewelKSgreycat: confusing as shit though
19:09.37jelly-homegreycat: it could be something like plesk that brings own stuff
19:09.50mxmxdirectadim = cheap plesk
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19:10.08mineraleI installed a package but cancelled the "blue screen" configuration... how do I rerun the config?
19:10.19greycatminerale: dpkg-reconfigure pkgname
19:10.19enoufbut the fact that /usr/sbin/mysqld doesn't even exist means .. not good
19:10.24jelly-homemxmx: you'll have to figure out where mysqld actually is installed, and change the procedure accordingly
19:10.33enoufminerale: install configure-debian
19:10.38mxmxone sec
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19:10.55jelly-homemxmx: dpkg's instructions assume you're running debian's packages, not some random stuff
19:11.03enoufminerale: wait - what are you trying to do exactly?
19:11.14enoufjelly-home: ++
19:11.15greycatmxmx: since you're not using Debian, #mysql might be a better place to ask for help
19:11.21greycat(Debian's mysql, that is)
19:11.25jelly-homemxmx: if there is an init script for mysqld, its contents might provide clues
19:11.36mxmxok
19:11.49enoufmxmx: also consider runlevel symlinks, that might or might not come into play here
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19:12.26jelly-homethat would also explain why the init script was called "mysqld" and not "mysql"
19:12.46enoufmxmx: running the init.d/ script directly bypasses all the runlevel nonsense, however - if you're in runlevel 1, you might have issues ... er .. maybe not
19:12.54enoufahh
19:13.16CutMeOwnThroatuh, should debsums -cs come up with a really long list?
19:13.52jelly-homeCutMeOwnThroat: probably not
19:13.53jaggz-1I setup this system to run x11vnc automatically (I guess when X runs at boot, or once the user logs in).. anyone know where exactly I might have put that command?
19:14.28greycatYou could start with grep -r x11vnc /etc
19:14.34jelly-homejaggz-1: how does X run at boot?
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19:14.46CutMeOwnThroatjelly-home, seems to report missing md5 sums for half of the packages, at least one of file's dependencies has changed since prelinking for the other
19:14.55jaggz-1jelly, not sure.. debian does this
19:14.58mxmxi found /usr/local/directadmin/conf/mysql.conf
19:14.59illscihey i was looking at dpkg-query... but that's not going to work
19:15.09illscihow do you verify the integrity of installed files on debian
19:15.10jelly-homejaggz-1: I found that gdm actually started a different X session when user logged in, so I had to run x11vnc _twice_
19:15.13CutMeOwnThroatjelly-home, can't really see anything else, because it's so crowded :)
19:15.15mxmxand there is a mysqlpassword there
19:15.19illscidpkg doesn't seem to provide that...
19:15.19dpkgbugger all, i dunno, illsci
19:15.25illscihehe
19:15.33jelly-homejaggz-1: once to get into gdm, and afterwards to get to the freshly logged in session
19:15.35jaggz-1I started with a grep in ~/   now in /etc with -r ..
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19:16.16jaggz-1Hm.. it *is* running though..  ps shows:   x11vnc -bg -usepw -many    ... I just forgot where I put that.  damn :)
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19:16.21jelly-homeCutMeOwnThroat: which debian release? Mine doesn't complain of missing sums... half the packages don't have them
19:16.35jaggz-1jelly, hmm.. my .xsession is set to use startkde
19:16.40CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, how about looking at /proc/PID/cwd for a clue?
19:16.41enoufmxmx: fwiw - IINM, there's a tasksel option to install most mysql crap - do tasksel --task-packages ... GRAH ... nm
19:16.57CutMeOwnThroatjelly-home, lenny from etch
19:17.04enoufbut why the FUCK doesn't tasksel do tab-completion!
19:17.13enoufstupid shit
19:17.30jaggz-1trippy..
19:17.30enoufeven tasksel --list-tasks takes longer than growing a beard
19:17.32jaggz-1that's a dir :)
19:17.40jaggz-1it's my homedir
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19:18.05jaggz-1okay, well I have another option.. grep -r in home was too slow.. so I'll use find with a size to limit the files tested
19:18.06jelly-homeCutMeOwnThroat: http://paste.debian.net:80/35957/ got this so far, from a testing/unstable installatin
19:18.20CutMeOwnThroatjelly same options?
19:18.28CutMeOwnThroatI see
19:18.44tom_smithdoes debian automatically generate a .seed file during an attended installation?
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19:19.04enoufman my underarms stink ...
19:19.05CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, cd; grep x11vnc .*
19:19.17tom_smithso that installation can then be automated for future installs
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19:20.09jaggz-1cd && find . -maxdepth 3 -type f -size -1000 | xargs -d '\n' grep x11vnc | less
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19:20.28jelly-homejaggz-1: well.  You can do it in .xsession for the second part, when you get logged in.
19:20.46CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, you can start with dotfiles, everything else seems unlikely
19:20.50jelly-homejaggz-1: or in kde's autostart/autoexec feature
19:21.01jaggz-1cut, yeah, tried those first.. not there..
19:21.06jaggz-1ahh.. that might be it, jelly..
19:21.11CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, find .* -type f -exec grep -il x11vnc '{}' +
19:21.13jaggz-1hence, it might be in some deep dir too
19:21.18enoufconsiders rebooting (just to ensure the copy of / FS that has all these errors actually works - and all those xargs errors disappear) - and then onto upgrading this old sid, that needs 1300+ pkgs and will mostly have some breakage to deal with ;-)
19:21.28jelly-homejaggz-1: I don't know where to put it to get kdm's screen (if that's the way X is started)
19:21.30jaggz-1there it is:  ./.kde/Autostart/x11vnc:x11vnc -bg -usepw -many
19:21.31greycatCutMeOwnThroat: find .*  isn't very wise, since that'll include ..
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19:21.41CutMeOwnThroatgreycat, right, I forgot
19:21.46enoufbut i have too many awesome pr0n windows open!
19:22.13CutMeOwnThroat"find .[a-zA-z]* -type f -exec grep -il x11vnc '{}' +"?
19:22.21jaggz-1CutMeOwnThroat: wouldn't that execute grep for each file?
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19:22.44greycatThe + is a built-in xargs.
19:22.45CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, '+'!
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19:23.14jelly-homexargs -n1, even?
19:23.14enoufgreycat: better way to do; "cp -a .* * /somewhere" or "cp *[.*]^ somewhere" would be? (that latter example might be incorrect from what i recall)
19:23.20greycatjelly-home: no
19:23.24enoufit is
19:23.28CutMeOwnThroatwouldn't work on old finds, though, but we're on #debian, so should be ok
19:23.31jaggz-1jelly, so you'd like to have x11vnc available for the login too?  me too.. that would be nice
19:23.45CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, there's no need
19:23.49greycatenouf: if you want to copy all the files in some directory, in bash, you can use shopt -s dotglob, and then use *
19:23.52jelly-homejaggz-1: no, I thought _you_ wanted it
19:24.07jaggz-1it would be good
19:24.13CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, you log in with  ssh -t -L 5900:localhost:5900 host 'x11vnc -localhost  -display :0' &sleep2;vncviewer localhost
19:24.20enoufgreycat: aha .. yes, that's what i'm after, all files and dirs including dotfiles/dirs - thank you
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19:24.30jelly-homejaggz-1: I just ssh in and run it manually when I have to
19:24.34CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, no need to set a password, no need to pre-start x11vnc
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19:24.50enoufgreycat: would you suggest resetting the shopt -s dotglob option once done/
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19:24.52enouf?
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19:25.02jelly-homejaggz-1: usually when the machine dies, to remotely log in to local X :-)
19:25.07greycatenouf: that's up to you.
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19:25.30enoufgreycat: well, i'm not sure what unexpected fallout that might have when i use other commands
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19:25.41greycatenouf: in that case, I guess you have your answer
19:25.52jaggz-1I use it too frequently.. handier just to keep it running .. I think.. plus I access it from a windows box sometimes and I don't care to keep ssh running..   x11vnc does take up 1.6mb of ram, (30mb total..)
19:25.53enouf~$ echo $SHELLOPTS
19:25.53enoufbraceexpand:emacs:hashall:histexpand:interactive-comments:monitor
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19:26.00enoufis what it is now
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19:26.09CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, running x11vnc permanently with ports open to the outside is just an additional security risk (and vnc traffic isn't encrypted afaik, so you shouldn't type password without ssh tunneling)
19:26.17jaggz-1but yeah.. if it dies I can ssh in and re-start it.. so forget the pre-x11 login issue..
19:26.46jaggz-1cut, yeah.. but I'm on our lan.. figure I'm safe enough?  'cept my laptop is wireless
19:27.03CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, depends on your lan, eh? :)
19:27.03enoufgreycat: ~$ shellopt -s dotglob
19:27.03enoufbash: shellopt: command not found
19:27.04Texouhi
19:27.07enouf:-/
19:27.15brizis listening to: ???? - www.MP3-BG.com - Seksi (DJ tik-tak)
19:27.23jaggz-1but if someone gets my vnc password by sniffing wireless packets who cares .. :)
19:27.30greycatIs a 3c59x network card (3Com PCI 3c905 Boomerang 100baseTx) just a total piece of shit, or is the Linux driver just really bad, or does my network simply *hate* me?
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19:27.37jaggz-1and it's slow enough with my wireless connection let alone through ssh.. unless vnc still isn't doing any compression
19:27.43CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, not talking about your vnc password - what if you become root within the vnc session?
19:27.55jaggz-1what about it?
19:28.00jaggz-1oh.. kb
19:28.00jaggz-1hm
19:28.03TexouI dont know if bug is known but the last update of lenny is dramatically bugged (libmozjs1d libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-common libwmf0.2-7 xulrunner-1.9). Openoffice doesn't save files in word anymore and an error appears on samba server
19:28.05CutMeOwnThroatso you don't mind to share your root pw?
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19:28.19enoufsorry about these 2 line pastes - last one;
19:28.21enouf~$ export SHELLOPTS=$SHELLOPTS:dotglob
19:28.22enoufbash: SHELLOPTS: readonly variable
19:28.23jaggz-1yeah, keys are sent over loud and clear.. yuck.
19:28.48CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, if you're not using wpa for the wireless, consider it open
19:29.01CutMeOwnThroat... to anyone interested
19:29.03enoufis it a set VAR thing?
19:29.13greycatenouf: shopt -s dotglob
19:29.17jaggz-1it's wep.. darn thinkpad didn't have wpa at the time
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19:29.46CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, that can be cracked within 5 minutes
19:29.52enoufgreycat: stupid me - sorry
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19:30.49zeta3oy us.debian is kinda slow
19:30.49jaggz-1I thought it required sniffing the initial connection to get the key
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19:30.53zeta3i'mgetting like 15kb/S
19:30.56zeta3anyone else?
19:31.01jaggz-1not sure how it actually works
19:31.37enoufgreycat: now .. in all my confusion, i was trying to see what it was set to prior ; and now, i forgot to look - or, is it (shopt) not a variable, such like echo $VAR ?
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19:31.41jaggz-1I thought the initial key transfers were insecure somehow, so someone basically could decrypt the rest of the communications
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19:32.02greycatenouf: shell options are not variables
19:32.11enoufok - thanks
19:32.14jaggz-1searches for "why is wep insecure?"
19:32.16CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, yes... essentially you sniff for packages until you find one that contains an arp request or something... then you play it back to the router and all the machines answer, giving lots of answers... when you have a million or so packets with a weak key it takes a minute or so to get the key
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19:32.56CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, no, you just collect packets with weak keys
19:33.14CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, the trick is to get enough of them
19:33.15enoufgreycat: ahh "~$ shopt -p" == nice ;-)
19:33.20enoufhelp shopt
19:33.41enoufthe -u == unset, the -s == set, i gather
19:34.02jaggz-1uhm.. is wpa a software or hardware thing?  can I get my thinkpad t40 to do wpa?
19:34.16enoufi just have no idea if it had been set, prior .. oh well
19:34.20CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, (which is why you feed the net arp requests which creates loads of traffic)
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19:35.11enoufgreycat: to make that shopt -s dotglob happen upon each login/reboot, i'd just add that line to my ~/.bashrc, or ~.bash_profile ?
19:35.20enoufer ~/.bash_profile
19:35.36greycatenouf: .bashrc
19:35.37CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, I never set that up :) Anyway, getting your net cracked is no problem... but refraining from sending plaintext-root passwords over the net is kind of a good idea :)
19:35.40enoufgreycat: thank you for your guidance
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19:38.03CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, actually I like the people who leave their wlan open for everyones use :)
19:38.04jaggz-1wpa is secure though right??
19:38.15CutMeOwnThroat(even if they throttle that)
19:38.31greycatzeta3: so maybe it's not my 3c59x that's a piece of crap, then? :-/
19:38.51jaggz-1I mean, the ordinary folk can't crack wpa right?
19:38.55CutMeOwnThroatjaggz-1, giyf
19:39.39CutMeOwnThroathttps://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbw.cgi?Gw=wpa+cracked
19:39.40jaggz-1nod.. reading :)
19:39.45jaggz-1oh, thanks
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19:40.50greycatzeta3: also worth pointing out that ftp.us.d.o is a round robin of 4 IPv4s
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19:43.02Bryansteinanyone in here using a bluetooth headset and Debian ?
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19:44.58CutMeOwnThroat!anyone use a bluetooth headset
19:44.58dpkgNo, no one uses a bluetooth headset, not even the people who use it.
19:45.24greycatIf you have a question about it, just ask.
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19:47.29enoufBryanstein: install every single bluez* pkg you can find ;-)
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19:48.39Bryansteinenouf, I did and its still been a bit rough...I got an older device to attempt to connect but that was months ago...I'll try again then ask a question later...just need to get this going with ekiga
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19:49.02CutMeOwnThroatI actually used to use the pre-bluez  stuff
19:49.08CutMeOwnThroatwossname
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19:50.04CutMeOwnThroatnever got the bluez stuff to work, but haven't tried for a long time now
19:50.12aragorn92does anybody knows how to create a pdf from bash?
19:50.12CutMeOwnThroathave a look at http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/AudioDevices
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19:50.49stewaragorn92: create a pdf from what?
19:51.12stewaragorn92: imagemagick can, but it really depends on what you are going to use to start from
19:51.30CutMeOwnThroata2ps some.txt -o - | ps2pdf - bla.pdf
19:51.49aragorn92for example put the output of netstat to a "nice looking" pdf =)
19:51.50themillpdflatex!
19:52.09CutMeOwnThroatI'm quite sure bash itself can't do it, though :)
19:52.13CutMeOwnThroatwell
19:52.17CutMeOwnThroatecho > xx.pdf
19:52.18themillaragorn92: what CutMeOwnThroat said about a2ps...
19:52.18greycatNot sanely.
19:52.19CutMeOwnThroat:-P
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19:52.59aragorn92a2ps seems to be the answer =)
19:53.06CutMeOwnThroata2ps sucks, though
19:53.08BryansteinCutMeOwnThroat, I actually have that link open already LOL...but thanks for the link
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19:55.38CutMeOwnThroatBryanstein, guess there's not much else/better
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20:02.43dustybinanybody tested out kde 4.2 ? http://kde.org/announcements/4.2/screenshots/desktop.png
20:03.00dustybindoes it work as good as it looks?
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20:03.07enoufno
20:03.16zortonwhat is the advantage to using parted over fdisk?
20:03.22dustybinenouf: heh i thought so
20:03.24enoufit's a bloated behemoth that needs to be flushed
20:03.35dustybinenouf: eeeek seriously?
20:03.47enoufdustybin: i haven't tried it though - i'm going off past experience ;-)
20:03.51themilldustybin: ignore enouf on such things...
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20:04.13enoufheh... yep - ignore truth - turn into a sheeple ;-)
20:04.17dustybinwell, Sir Linus Torvalds, said he stopped using it as well..
20:04.38enoufdustybin: lkml.org even sucks ass - and as well, Linus says so
20:04.49greycatA lot of free software projects seem to have a "don't know when to quit" problem.
20:04.51enoufdustybin: they can't even make a proper website
20:04.56themilldustybin: that was when fedora forced him to use 4.0
20:04.58dustybinenouf: if Sir Linus said that, then it must
20:05.12enoufdustybin: no Sir shit - he's wrong about things too
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20:05.21dustybinthemill: yes thats correct
20:05.23enouflike the TiVO and GPL nonsense
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20:05.42ranixI agree with enouf
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20:05.51ranixKDE is as wrong as wine
20:05.59ranixand for the same reasons
20:06.03enoufi will never question his Kernel in/out decisions mostly, because i don't know enough to question it
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20:06.11lunkthat reason being failed user attempt?
20:06.18dustybinis gnome going through some major changes?
20:06.35greycatDid it ever stop going through major changes?
20:06.36enoufbut enforcement of GPL/Licensing shit due to TiVO crap is another story
20:06.48themillranix: it's wrong because it uses a good, free widget library? Or is it wrong because it offers choice and configurability?
20:07.01enoufdustybin: have you ever seen any newer version of software get LESS BLOATED?
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20:07.26greycatenouf: only when the new version is a complete rewrite
20:07.27g00seBastards at my ISP are blocking http due to their (mistaken) belief i haven't paid my bill on time. Can i use a proxy/tunnel?
20:07.39enoufgreycat: point - however ...
20:07.45Mayais gnome bloated?
20:07.46themilland kde4 is pretty much a complete rewrite...
20:07.55Mayato a scale of 1000, how bloated is gnome?
20:07.56stewnewer versions of ion3 were getting less bloated as tuomov gets crazier and kicks more good features out
20:08.01ranixthemill: it's wrong because the fundamental design goals are wrong
20:08.02enoufif it's the same "Let's start with this Framework..." then all bets are off
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20:08.13module000g00se: yes
20:08.13enoufranix: very true
20:08.22themillranix: I know... features and usability are wrong. We should get rid of them.
20:08.30enoufranix: http://www.uzbl.org/ you'd like
20:08.45enoufthemill: stop with the AOL bullshit please
20:08.52g00semodule000: What do you recommend?
20:08.54enouf"features" .. bwahahaha
20:09.05Mayawhat is wrong with gnome guys
20:09.11Mayaname two things i musgt know
20:09.12abrotmannothing
20:09.15module000g00se: PuTTy is easy to tunnel, lots of tutorials available
20:09.17Mayayeah okay.
20:09.23module000g00se: this assumes you have a destination to tunnel to of course
20:09.24ranixthemill: you are putting words in my mouth
20:09.24enoufMaya: 2 things, a) Registry, b) XML
20:09.32themillg00se: tell your browser to use a SOCKS proxy on localhost:1080 and ssh -D1080 server
20:09.35Mayaenouf: it has registry??
20:09.38abrotmanMaya: you'll have to excuse enouf .. he hates everything and everyone
20:09.38enoufyes
20:09.42ranixthemill: my vehemency is actually well thought-out on the KDE issue
20:09.45Mayaman, i thought i left that crap..you know where
20:09.50abrotmanMaya: it has gconf .. some what like a registry
20:09.54enoufabrotman: but not you  .. honey
20:10.04AnthroDoes anyone know of a console-based (i.e. non-gui) spreadsheet? Ideally, it would view Excel files.
20:10.05abrotmantells enouf's other three gfs ...
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20:10.24MayaAnthro: wow good idea
20:10.31jetpdawhy is it kde4 when it's kdelib5?
20:11.01Mayajetpda:  cause it is retarded ;D
20:11.16g00sethemill: interesting. Is there a. a lightweight proxy i can use and b. something to connect it to? ;-)
20:11.24abrotmanAnthro: I don't see anything like that in debian .. checked freshmeat ?
20:11.26CutMeOwnThroatAnthro, apt-cache search spreadsheet |grep -i text ?
20:11.30ranixthemill: my main beef with "comprehensive user environments" for lack of a better term (because KDE is more than just a desktop) is the click-and-pray configuration that always comes bundled with them
20:11.32CutMeOwnThroatabrotman, I do!
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20:11.54CutMeOwnThroatjudd, versions sc
20:11.55juddCutMeOwnThroat: sc -- etch: 7.16-2 lenny: 7.16-2 sid: 7.16-2 squeeze: 7.16-2
20:11.55abrotmanoh .. sc
20:11.57Mayakonqueror sucked years ago and it still sucks today
20:11.57AnthroCutMeOwnThroat: Tried "spreadsheet console" and didn't find anything, which is why I asked.
20:12.17module000g00se: if youa re using linux...what he said. just ssh from a console with -D...but you need to have a server to connect to
20:12.18abrotmanCutMeOwnThroat: searching "console spreadsheet" didn't return it
20:12.23greycatEvery unix web browser sucks.  Always has.  Some suck harder than others.
20:12.25Mayai just avoid any and all packages starting with a k
20:12.45jetpdakde4 is a vista clone afaict
20:12.48greycatMaya: good thing they changed it from kernel-image-... to linux-image-...
20:12.50Mayait's a good marker, you have to admit ;)
20:12.56Mayagreycat: hahaha
20:13.19Anthroabrotman: I'll try freshmeat.
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20:13.31g00semodule000: Yes i think i'd better find a server first. Now how to do that without my browser to google ..?
20:13.41abrotmanAnthro: see the 'sc' package
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20:13.48Mayag00se:  you wont find an ssh server anywhere for free
20:13.56module000g00se: well you aren't probably going to find free servers that will let you SSH tunnel
20:14.03abrotmanAnthro: but doesn't say anything about being able to read excel files
20:14.19greycatg00se: I doubt you'd be able to sign up with a for-pay one without a web browser either.
20:14.20Anthroabrotman: Well, it can't hurt to install it and try it out.
20:14.47CutMeOwnThroatAnthro, there's some perl module that can read excel files, iirc
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20:15.06g00seActually i probably can ssh into something onto which i could install a proxy
20:15.18AnthroCutMeOwnThroat: It isn't important enough to me to mess with Perl.
20:15.22CutMeOwnThroatheh, with the simple name libspreadsheet-parseexcel-simple-perl
20:15.28Mayag00se: then do it
20:15.28module000g00se: ssh is it's own proxy, you don't need to install one on your destination if you are able to ssh into it
20:15.35themillg00se: you don't need to install a proxy anywhere. If you can ssh somewhere then that's enough.
20:15.59Mayawhoever added socks tunneling to ssh was a genius
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20:16.29CutMeOwnThroatAnthro, probably trivial to write an excel->csv translator with those modules (or find a pre-made one on the net)
20:16.44themillranix: click and pray? It's click and it just works and that's how it should be. If it doesn't just work that's a bug just like any other "my configuration wasn't read in correctly" bug.
20:17.27Mayai need to get rid of gnome, thanks to that guy who alerted me of registry"!
20:17.49gravityAnthro: You might want to just use R
20:17.50g00seOK guys, but i just don't get how configging my blocked browser ties in with being able to ssh into something..
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20:18.09greycatg00se: ssh's built-in socks proxy
20:18.26greycat(And don't ask me for details because I've never used it.)
20:18.29g00segreycat: Ah
20:18.32Anthrogravity: R has a console UI?
20:18.40themillg00se: ssh has a builtin proxy. Tell ssh to use it's builtin proxy (-D1080) and tell your browser to use "localhost:1080" as the SOCKS proxy
20:18.45epsasAnthro - yes
20:19.10Anthrogravity: What's the package name for R? Kind of hard to search for it...
20:20.10themilljudd info r-base
20:20.10juddthemill: r-base (math): is optional; Version: 2.7.1-1+lenny1; Size: 29.0k; Installed: 72k -- GNU R statistical computing language and environment
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20:20.23themillThat R ^^? (/me hasn't been paying attention)
20:20.49epsasAnthro - you are doing statistics?
20:20.57greycatthat's too small.  where's the 600 megs of bloat?
20:20.59chemistrydioxidehello, can someone help me with deleting a file? I already googled, but i didn't find anything that answers my problem. i created the file using touch and now it shows up in ls with no permissions ("-?????????"), no owner ("?"), no group ("?") and no creation date ("?").
20:21.07Anthroepsas: Nope, trying to view an Excel spreadsheet on the console.
20:21.13epsasoh
20:21.23epsasR is a pretty heavy environment for doing that
20:21.26greycatchemistrydioxide: sounds like file system corruption
20:21.36chemistrydioxidebut what did i do?
20:21.40greycatchemistrydioxide: is this on the root file system, or some other file system?
20:21.47epsasAnthro - can you program python?
20:21.55epsaspython-excelerator
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20:21.55themillgreycat: it's split in a lot of packages.... R is a *huge* system, and then there's the cran (think cpan) packages too
20:21.57chemistrydioxideno, just some fat fs where all my data is
20:22.06gravityAnthro: Oh, then R can't just read excel spreadsheets
20:22.20greycatchemistrydioxide: oh, if it's FAT then you'd better use Microsoft tools to chkdsk it
20:22.36gravityAnthro: If that's all you want to do, I'd go with CutMeOwnThroat's suggestion of piecing together an excel->csv translator and using emacs's csv or tsv mode to read it
20:22.43Anthroepsas: I haven't messed with Python. I stick to Ruby and ordinary shell scripting.
20:22.49chemistrydioxidegreycat: well, i haven't used windows for ages
20:22.49gravityAnthro: Honestly though, I'd just use gnumeric and get it over with. Gnumeric is a great program.
20:23.17Anthrogravity: If it had a text UI, I'd be all over it. But I'm ssh'd from a Windows box with no X server.
20:23.26CutMeOwnThroatAnthro, perl != python
20:23.40gravityAnthro: Use sshfs
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20:23.50themilljudd info oleo
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20:23.52gravityOh... from a windows box
20:23.57enouf<Maya> konqueror sucked years ago and it still sucks today == KonqOut ;-)
20:23.57Anthrogravity: Yah
20:24.19AnthroCutMeOwnThroat: Yes, I know that. I haven't gotten around to learning Python and I don't like Perl.
20:24.32gravityAnthro: I'm afraid I don't know then. You've got a really complex use case.
20:24.42gravityAnd I don't know windows at all really
20:24.50AnthroOkay, my work day is at an end. I'll be able to deal with it at home.
20:24.58chemistrydioxidegreycat: I wonder why I'm still using FAT
20:25.15greycatchemistrydioxide: I hope you've got recent backups.
20:25.29jelly-homejudd: test
20:25.29juddjelly-home: Error: "test" is not a valid command.
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20:25.46CutMeOwnThroatAnthro................... https://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbw.cgi?Gw=perl+excel2cvs
20:25.49CutMeOwnThroatof course he's gone
20:25.57themilljelly-home: it was etch only
20:26.01enoufgreycat: do you realize how many newbs, when they run top / top, ask about killing all the KDE related things like "kthreadd"? etc O_O
20:26.24gravityI'd just sync over the spreadsheets and use excel and sync them back when I was done. He's asking for something a little absurd.
20:26.25chemistrydioxidegreycat: until now, i was very sure that my fs was intact and the file was broken immediately after creation
20:26.25enoufkjournald, etv
20:26.39jelly-homethemill: mm. there're probably multiples of .xls -> .csv tools
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20:26.54gravityHell, I wrote an xls->csv script in perl if he wants it
20:27.02gravityIt splits the sheets in to individual csv files
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20:27.53MayaFAT is a crime against humanity
20:28.30CutMeOwnThroatgravity, remind me to never answer that guy again... his next question will surely include a rube-goldberg install
20:28.31jelly-homefat is simple and easy
20:28.36themillI did manipulation of excel spreadsheets via OLE from perl once. We were all young and stupid once....
20:28.37gravityheh
20:28.51lunkFAT, america's largest killer
20:29.04_Tavo_Hello, can someone tell me how to get all unicode characters displayable in lenny? for example, many characters here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unicode_characters) appear as a square with the unicode number in it
20:29.22CutMeOwnThroatlunk, the file allocation table ain't so bad
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20:29.40ranixFAT americans
20:29.41lunkCutMeOwnThroat: clogs tubes, including arteries!
20:29.54chemistrydioxidei copied the whole directory and moved the old one to trash. for some strange reason, this has fixed the file. i'm confused
20:30.07Sebbohhi.  I've set up a debian guest vserver, and it was built by debootstrap.  It's an oldstable (etch) machine.  ..Apt wasn't installed by default, so I downloaded a bunch of .debs and got it installed.
20:30.10SebbohBut, apt won't install anything or do an upgrade, it complains and suggests -f to fix this, no way am I doing that.  Here's the complaint: http://pastebin.ca/1420873 ..Advice?
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20:30.56g00se_Sorry guys. My ISP is useless
20:31.15jelly-homeSebboh: is a debian mirror added to sources.list?  what does "apt-get -f install" say?
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20:31.20Mayag00se_: what is your problem, again?
20:31.26Mayayou cannot use the browsa?
20:31.33jelly-homeSebboh: oh, and did you do an apt-get update after adding a mirror?
20:31.56g00se_Maya: ISP kicked me off http and they're flaky in terms of connection anyway
20:32.04jelly-homeSebboh: also, why don't you want to do "apt-get -f install"?
20:32.10Mayag00se_: there are free proxies you can use
20:32.17Mayasomething that does not rely on your isp for connectivity
20:32.22Mayait's called Odin
20:32.29Mayano, i mean Tor
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20:32.33g00se_Was just discussing with themill greycat module000 and co about proxies
20:32.38mustuhow do i install NTP support?
20:32.41Sebbohjelly-home, yes, I've got a debian mirror set up (only etch main) and I did an apt-get update (success).  I haven't tried apt-get -f install because I have completely fsked my system with that once before.. uhm, in 2000. :P
20:32.55Sebbohbut I'll try it now. ;)
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20:33.18jelly-homeSebboh: do a --dry-run before and see what would happen
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20:33.53jelly-homeSebboh: also, make a backup of the whole tree if you're afraid
20:34.05g00se_Maya: I can ssh into another box that i could use as a socks proxy with -D apparently
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20:34.50Sebbohjelly-home, dryrun shows it wants to install coreutils and company--that's fine, I'll do that now. (I tried apt-get install coreutils before, btw, but not with the -f, since I was skeered.)
20:35.34Sebbohjelly-home, all fixed.  Thanks for your help.
20:35.34jelly-homeSebboh: "apt-get -f install" is _the_ idiomatic command to try when fixing apt issues
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20:35.50jelly-homeSebboh: (not "apt-get -f install something" though)
20:35.55Sebbohok.
20:36.39jelly-homeand a "dpkg --configure -a" before that, to process any dpkg breakage if possible
20:37.06Sebbohbtw my perl doesn't like my locale...  and warns that it will fall back to the standard locale.  How do I fix that? :P
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20:37.42Sebbohjelly-home, dpkg breakage..  is that like where I'd try to install something, it'd fail, then everything else would fail until I explicityly uninstall whatever it was?
20:38.05jelly-homeSebboh: depends on the failure mode
20:38.14g00se_Thing is - if i can ssh into that other box, would i need to start *another* sshd on it to act as the proxy or what?
20:38.45jelly-homeSebboh: a typical situation would be a breakage during an apt-get upgrade or apt-get install foo
20:39.04Sebbohok.
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20:39.16jelly-homeg00se_: no
20:40.16jelly-homeg00se_: oh, if you're sshing from outside to the machine where you want to work around the firewall, then possibly yes
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20:42.19[diecast]just installed debian squeeze, is there a repository that has php4?
20:42.25jelly-homeg00se_: your current ssh will serve as a proxy, apps using a SOCKS proxy on localhost:1080 will make the other end of proxied connections open at the other side (which is presumably not firewalled)
20:42.41jelly-home[diecast]: it's not in Debian itself any more
20:44.05g00se_jelly-home: My *current ssh* though is a *client*, that's what i find weird
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20:44.56jelly-homeg00se_: that's right, the client ssh app acts as a socks proxy service
20:45.10jelly-home... a tunnel, really
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20:46.14g00se_jelly-home: Right. Thanks
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20:48.46jpinx-eeepcAnyone know of a gui tabbed text editor that does html/php highlighting and doesn't drag half of gnome or KDE in with it?
20:48.53g00se_So just to check guys: instead of ssh -l charles host it's now ssh -l charles -D 1080 host ?
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20:49.41greycatI never use -l loginname.  I just use greg@wooledge.org
20:49.44module000jpinx-eeepc: geany
20:50.34Sebbohjpinx-eeepc, maybe scite, dunno.  I used it once and was very happy with it, but I don't know what flavors of highlighting it comes with by default.
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20:51.23jpinx-eeepcSebboh:  and module000 thanks for the pointers -- looking at thos enow
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20:53.39jpinx-eeepcscite is 2167KBs and geany was 6169KBs - no prizes for guessing which one I'm trialling;)
20:53.51gravityemacs
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20:55.52SebbohHeh. I just installed geany to give it a go, never heard of it before today. (Thanks, module000.) Only 2.1 megs here, (already had the deps).
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20:58.28stewjudd: info imagemagick
20:58.28juddstew: imagemagick (graphics): is optional; Version: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny1; Size: 1397.6k; Installed: 4464k -- image manipulation programs
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20:58.43jpinx-eeepcSebboh: scite seems to do it all and is small enough for my little ssd HD on the eeepc - thanks for the tip. I'll keep geany as a reserve thanks module000
20:58.46stewnice version number.  if you can decode all the parts of that version string, you probably should have applied for NM already
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20:59.41SebbohNM?
21:00.06stewSebboh: the process by which someone becomes an official debian developer
21:00.13Mayai hate to ask this, but are there any programs that were especially written to count sourcecode lines throughout a directory structure?
21:00.20stewoh 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg1-3~lenny1~bpo40+1 is even better
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21:01.29SebbohMaya, sloccount
21:01.43SebbohAren't you glad I didn't say wc? ;)
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21:02.02Mayaim glad you said something! thank you
21:02.42SebbohMaya, and check wikipedia's SLOC entry for some dialog re: physical lines of code vs logical lines of code.
21:03.18SebbohThe whole concept is bunk, but maybe with a little care you can avoid punishing good devs. :P
21:04.26Mayahmmmhmh
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21:05.06voxadamCan anyone point me towards some decent Linux networking documentation? I'm working on setting up a Debian based gateway box for my home to replace an aging WRT. I need to  configure at minimum static routing (cable modem to two wifi and one wired segments) and NAT. Most of the docs (e.g. netfilter.org, tldp.org) I've found seem to be a little old.
21:06.13greycatNow you can all tell me where I fucked up on http://wiki.debian.org/LennyBind9
21:06.20justinvoxadam: try something like shorewall?
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21:06.46voxadamIsn
21:06.58Mayafirefox bin. 27% ram
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21:07.10Mayawhy the hell am i stilll using this pos
21:07.17justinMaya: try the 3.1 betas
21:07.19greycatBecause all the alternatives suck more.
21:08.27Mayathe question is, why does firefox draw this much ram
21:08.32justinMaya: try the 3.1 betas?
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21:08.44Mayajustin: i would
21:08.47voxadamgreycat: Thanks... I don't know how I forgot about Shorewall.
21:08.55Mayai shall try it,. thanks justin
21:08.57greycatthat wasn't me.
21:09.13voxadamoops.
21:09.24voxadamjustin: Thanks... I don't know how I forgot about Shorewall.
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21:10.09SeriaLoooo :D
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21:10.27qiLbertooooooooo :)
21:10.28qiLbertohello
21:10.29qiLberto:D
21:10.29SeriaL:D
21:10.33qiLbertotürk yok dimi lan :D
21:10.35SeriaL:D
21:10.37SeriaLyok :D
21:10.37qiLbertoküfür etcez amk :D
21:10.38greycat!tr
21:10.39dpkgfrom memory, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg
21:10.43qiLbertosiktirme
21:10.45qiLbertotr ni
21:10.46SeriaL:D
21:10.46qiLbertoþimdi dur
21:10.47qiLberto:D
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21:10.56SeriaLgreycat nassýn cnm
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21:11.01qiLbertoqeldi alii
21:11.01SeriaLhaw ar yu :D
21:11.02qiLberto:D::D
21:11.08qiLbertotomo_  qel oglumm
21:11.10SeriaL:D
21:11.13qiLbertoqel  kuçu  kuçu
21:11.13qiLberto:D
21:11.15SeriaLtomo_ ewLat :D
21:11.20qiLbertotu  kýs kýs kýs
21:11.20qiLberto:D
21:11.21greycatPlease take it to #debian.tr or private messages.
21:11.26SeriaL:D:D
21:11.27qiLbertotut onu tomo_ :D
21:11.30SeriaL:D
21:11.56SeriaLgravity
21:11.58SeriaLay lav yu
21:11.59SeriaL:D
21:12.02qiLbertogreycat  : nobody  is percevt I`m  nobody !
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21:12.13qiLbertobak  SeriaL  abin inqilizcesini konuþturuyo :D
21:12.16SeriaL:D:D:D
21:12.39qiLbertoWhat is yourname greycat : ?
21:12.46qiLbertoGöte birkere koyim takla at
21:12.46qiLberto:d
21:12.49SeriaLgreycat wer ar yu from :D
21:12.53SeriaL:D
21:12.56qiLberto:D:D:D
21:13.12qiLbertoburda sohbet etmiyolar
21:13.15SeriaLgreycat 3aLi nerde :D
21:13.20qiLbertoSeriaL  bak þimdi reklama
21:13.21qiLberto:D
21:13.32qiLberto<PROTECTED>
21:13.37qiLbertofull kurulum arkadaþlar
21:13.39SeriaL:D
21:13.42SeriaLanLýoLar yha :D
21:13.45qiLberto:D:D
21:13.53qiLbertofull time  show sex
21:13.53qiLbertoD:
21:13.57qiLbertoþimdi anlarlar :D
21:13.59adb!ops qiLberto spam
21:13.59dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: qiLberto spam
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21:14.04qiLbertobak anladý :D
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21:14.28SeriaLgreycat open ßan pLs :(
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21:15.02SeriaL:D:D
21:15.07ddddben türk  hackerlerinden
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21:15.09adb!ops dddd   spam
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21:15.09stewSeriaL: do you have a debian related question?
21:15.09SeriaL:d
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21:15.22SeriaLstew heLLo
21:15.29greycatSeriaL: don't push it.
21:15.41stewSeriaL: if you have a debian related question, go ahead and ask, otherwise, please be quiet
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21:16.26SeriaLstew how are you from ?
21:16.28Zee!debian
21:16.28dpkgdebian is, like, http://www.debian.org.  See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
21:16.36stewSeriaL: this isn't a social channel.  try #defocus
21:16.45tomo_I'm having trouble with clock drift, and was wondering if anybody could help.  Without ntp, I'm losing a second every couple minutes.
21:16.53greycatSo install ntp....
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21:17.33tomo_with ntp, it gets up off by 2 seconds, before it corrects
21:17.42greycatThat's not normal.
21:17.56tomo_I know.  That's why I came here to inquire :)
21:18.13greycatSounds like your hardware is so screwed up that NTP's gentle correction algorithms aren't enough.
21:18.17epsasi have never seend that before
21:18.19SeriaLHemþo :D
21:18.26tomo_I tried changing the clocksource from pit to jiffies, but it didn't seem to make a difference
21:18.30epsasand i have seen a lot of broken computers
21:19.02tomo_this is a soekris net4501, embedded system, with an AMDSC520 processor
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21:20.06greycatAs far as I know, the clock is separate from the CPU, somewhere on the motherboard.  It may have its own battery.  You might consider replacing the battery if there is one.
21:20.47tomo_there _is_ a battery, but it's soldered on, and the system is only a few weeks old...
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21:21.09greycatmaybe they shipped you a broken one
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21:21.32SeriaLananýzý sýkým
21:21.33SeriaLhemý
21:21.36tomo_incidentally, I've got 3, with the first unit coming from a different batch, and they're all exhibiting the same problem
21:21.36SeriaLorospu ewLatLarý
21:21.38SeriaLamq cocukLarý
21:21.40SeriaLsýkým sýzý
21:21.40SeriaL:D
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21:22.09tomo_I only noticed the problem after I had one disconnected from the internet for a while
21:22.39tomo_(and thus, no ntp)
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21:28.10nikinjust moved from ubuntu to debian... what i wanted to ask that in lenny xdm is working and as far as i see. but in ubuntu it had severalproblems, becouse id did not start some scripts for PolicyKit. Is there a plan that Debain will use PolKit and if yes then when, and packages llike xdm will be modifyed to work with it?
21:28.45gravityWell... I don't think any of the xdm maintainers have discussed changes for policykit
21:28.46Mayanikin:  good choice.
21:29.28valdynnikin: since when or why would xdm use polkit? are you sure it does on ubuntu?
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21:30.28nikinvaldyn: xdm does not use polkit. but GDM starts some scripts as i belive, that are needed to polkit to work. So using xdm polkit does not work
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21:31.04valdynnikin: polkit is used to get access to resources via dbus, xdm doesnt even use dbus
21:31.19valdynnikin: so im a little confused as to where you are seeing this
21:32.03valdynnikin: debians gdm is still 2.20.x in sid, im sure theyll package something newer at some point
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21:32.29nikinvaldyn: i dont have deep knowlidge in theese things.. but it doesnot mather aslong as xdmwill be usable in future debian releases
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21:33.19gravitypolkit is only for dbus access? Really?
21:33.25gravityI really need to look at that program soonish
21:33.36valdyngravity: no, i dont know if "only"
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21:33.57valdyngravity: but obviously the tools controlling the resources need to actively support this
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21:34.44gwhey how would i go about getting build in /lib/modules/<kernel>/
21:34.46gravityYes
21:35.11valdynnikin: squeeze and newer debian dbus  already is configured to use polkit
21:35.34valdynnikin: so any application useing dbus in those releases is affected
21:35.38gravityWell, I'm using xdm at home these days, so I don't think I'll be uploading it if I break it
21:35.44gravitySo... that's something I guess.
21:36.04valdynnikin: works neatly for me too
21:36.37gwanyone?
21:36.47nikinvaldyn: you are runing testing?
21:36.59valdynnikin: unstable
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21:38.20Golden|Wolfhey how would i get build in /lib/modules/ ?
21:38.43valdynGolden|Wolf: you mean "build" in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/
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21:38.53Golden|Wolfyuh
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21:39.06valdynGolden|Wolf: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
21:39.18Golden|Wolfthanks
21:39.23valdynGolden|Wolf: you dont need "build" specifically
21:39.46valdynGolden|Wolf: hmm, or maybe you do
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21:40.42Golden|Wolfi think i do for wireless firmware :s
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21:41.28valdynGolden|Wolf: no, not for firmware
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21:41.52valdynGolden|Wolf: thats for kernel modules, which could be drivers, that are you in stock kernels
21:42.03valdynGolden|Wolf: thats for kernel modules, which could be drivers, that are *not* in stock kernels
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21:44.28nikinvaldyn: i see... i am running an eeepc so resource usage is key for me. thats why i use xdm and not gdm. i also try to use gtk basedapps without gnome deps. i am still searching a good app for printer, user and groups administration. any idea?
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21:45.35ephakheh if anyone s still here i fixed my xorg problem i had put the horizsync and vertrefresh values in " quotes and wasn't supposed to
21:45.36valdynnikin: stick to gnome
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21:45.59valdynnikin: gtk without gnome is severely limiting
21:46.02ephakright now i'm in kde, i installed it from terminal i have gnome also. how do i enable plasma?
21:46.21valdynnikin: and if you use different toolkits to get the tools you need, then that is the real waste of resources
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21:46.50nikinvaldyn: i know..some gnome deps are ok to. but instealling 200+ megs for user andgroup administration is hmm.. abit much
21:46.54aragorn29does anyone knows how to create a pdf from terminal?
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21:47.25cahootps2pdf?
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21:47.49Golden|Wolfthanks is it recommended to upgrade to 2.6.29?
21:47.57aragorn29i cant get it to work
21:48.03valdynGolden|Wolf: no, its recommended to use lenny
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21:48.52valdynnikin: what pulls all that? gnome-system-tools?
21:49.18aragorn29a2ps -o - result.txt | ps2pdf - result.pdf
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21:49.42aragorn29it doesnt work
21:50.11themillaragorn29: you'll get the same answers each time you ask... try different questions. Try telling us what doesn't work... what did you expect?
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21:50.50aragorn29i want something like this ...
21:51.06aragorn29the result of "netstat -ta"
21:51.12aragorn29in a pdf
21:51.19nikinvaldyn: yes... in total 238 megs
21:51.33aragorn29exactly the output
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21:51.55aragorn29no changes in format
21:52.44themillaragorn29: earlier when you asked, you wanted it to be pretty...
21:52.45themill(not that I can imagine why you'd want it as a pdf)
21:52.56valdynnikin: which applications do you actually run when obviously nothing else seems to need those depends?
21:53.18aragorn29well, if can be pretty it would be better =)
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21:54.27valdynheck, even on my server gnome-system-tools pulls exactly 143MB/143MB
21:54.32nikinvaldyn: fluxbox medit gimp inkscape gnumeric abiword icewheesel mplayer vlc pidgin irssi transmission xfce4-terminal thunar mc
21:54.39aragorn29its a report, not exactly netstat but an output like that, i need to make a pdf and send it by mail =)
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21:54.51themillaragorn29: so what about "netstat -ta | a2ps -o - | ps2pdf - result.pdf" doesn't work for you?
21:54.58josinalvohi there ! I am looking for a way to get a list of the packages I've installed by hand (as opposed to by dependencies). I know there is probably a google search that would to the trick, but I've not been able to find it ...
21:55.12aragorn29and i want to put it in a cron script =)
21:55.23aragorn29let me see =)
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21:55.53dmoernerjosinalvo, try aptitude search '!~M~i'
21:56.05Yanchohi guys. i have a 800mhz / 128mb / 15gb hdd old laptop that i want to use as a printer server for 2 usb printers (1 MFC / 1 Laser) and 1 USB Storage. Do you think Debian with Xfce (possibly some other lightweight GUI) is good for the job? it already has such set up and is being used for office work
21:56.29themillaragorn29: I still don't know why you'd want this output in pdf form. Why not just as a text file? "netstat -ta > result.txt"
21:56.29aragorn29it works, it does create the pdf, but...
21:56.30PolarinaYancho: Drop the GUI.
21:56.32dmoernerit might show up some false positives though
21:56.58aragorn29the format is not the same
21:57.00YanchoPolarina how am i going to set up cups ? not much better than a newbie here
21:57.17josinalvodmoerner: thanks !
21:57.18valdyn!cups setup
21:57.18dpkgi heard cups setup is "aptitude install cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsomatic-ppd foomatic-db".  Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer.  Enjoy!, or you can try printconf
21:57.20nikinYancho: xfce is a bit to much i think ..trysomething more lightweight. using fluxbox aftr booti have about 100 megs of used ram..
21:57.21PolarinaYancho: Then install the GUI, configure and uninstall it.
21:57.23aragorn29doesnt have any tabs in the pdf =(
21:57.56themillaragorn29: it's in columns here...
21:57.58valdynaragorn29: theres no tabs in the output of netstat
21:58.03Yanchotaught Xfce was more leightweight than that
21:58.08valdynaragorn29: sure the pdf has no tabs either
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21:58.30YanchoPolarina cups sets up everything in config files?
21:58.43PolarinaYancho: Of course.
21:58.56valdynaragorn29: whats the point of this silliness?
21:59.11aragorn29ill be back in a sec
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21:59.35Yanchook great and with an uninstall it wont remove such config files does it ?
21:59.56PolarinaYancho: Not unless you purge it.
22:00.01valdynnikin: so you really should proably use the tools coming with xfce
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22:00.13valdynnikin: to bad i dont know what xfce has for user or printer administration
22:00.30valdynnikin: theres always plain shell commands and http://localhost:631/
22:00.54Yanchook great ill try that way
22:01.21Yanchocups will still run via webinterface right?
22:01.26valdynYancho: what kind of printer is that?
22:01.37Yanchowhich one valdyn?
22:01.40nikinvaldyn: ok.  thank you
22:01.45valdynYancho: the one you want to use
22:02.08valdynYancho: gb sized print jobs hardly make sense off a tiny print server...
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22:02.23YanchoMFC - HP PSC 1215 / Laser : - HP Laserjet P1006
22:02.31valdynYancho: color?
22:02.43YanchoMFC yes / Laser black
22:02.43josinalvodmoerner: it seems the list contain both the packages i installed and their dependencies ...
22:03.07Yanchoi never printed gb sized print jobs .. the random paper here and there
22:03.10valdynYancho: im not sure thats going to be very useful then
22:03.26valdynYancho: printer has more ram than that box?
22:03.45Yanchomost probably not - have to check
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22:12.01Niklas-Hey. I did a typo so i ran 'mount /dev', which caused /dev to be remounted - but now all empty. I have tried to unmount it again, but it says it's busy - what can i do? :P
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22:12.27CutMeOwnThroathaha
22:12.33CutMeOwnThroat!pal Niklas-
22:12.33dpkgpoints at Niklas- and laughs
22:12.36Niklas-:p
22:12.40CutMeOwnThroatboot?
22:12.42CutMeOwnThroater
22:12.48CutMeOwnThroator cd out of it, then umount?
22:13.17Niklas-Got at raid sync that has been running for 5 hours that has one left, so i would rather have to save a reboot just now :P
22:13.32Niklas-i'm not "in" the directory, so can't cd out
22:13.38kenduoanybody successfully bridged his wireless with is wired NIC on his Debian gateway?
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22:13.44kenduoor hers :)
22:13.48CutMeOwnThroatcheck what fuser -m /dev/ tells you
22:14.00CutMeOwnThroatbut I get the impression it'll be "no good news"
22:14.14Niklas-hmm /dev: 1
22:14.21CutMeOwnThroathaha
22:14.32CutMeOwnThroatsee... simple... kill process 1 :-P
22:14.42CutMeOwnThroat(don't do it)
22:14.45Niklas-:P
22:14.49valdynNiklas-: maybe you want to enable bitmaps for that raid
22:15.06Niklas-whats that?
22:15.28valdynNiklas-: small map of synced "blocks"
22:15.33CutMeOwnThroatguess you can run /sbin/MAKEDEV   ... but... doesn't that just do nothing with udev?
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22:16.14valdynNiklas-: which means that you dont necessarily have to do a full sync on an unclean shutdown or somesuch
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22:16.19jamonNiklas-: if you've waited 5 hours, what's 1 more before a reboot
22:17.04CutMeOwnThroatyeah... go to dinner
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22:17.30valdynbitmap: 1/233 pages [4KB], 1024KB chunk <- only 1/233 chunks to sync in case
22:17.30CutMeOwnThroatand it's not remounted
22:17.46CutMeOwnThroatyou've mounted an empty disk/fs on top of /dev
22:18.11Niklas-well i just wanted to mount a cd so i coud proceed with an installation while it was running the sync
22:18.11CutMeOwnThroatactually
22:18.41CutMeOwnThroatwell, run MAKEDEV anyway, to see if it does something?
22:19.03Niklas-that will only create s specific device
22:19.14CutMeOwnThroatit used to create all
22:19.28CutMeOwnThroatnow, since udev... dunno
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22:19.53CutMeOwnThroatyou could unpack nw.ath.cx/~k/dev.tgz in /
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22:20.34CutMeOwnThroatwith all the problems that still leaves/makes
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22:21.06CutMeOwnThroatI guess you don't have a backup of your own dev, now do you :)
22:21.46Niklas-nice, i do miss a few things but thanks
22:22.16CutMeOwnThroatand I really guess stuff like /dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000:00:0b.1-usb-0:7:1.0-scsi-0:0:0:3 is a mismatch
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22:24.22mininathi! i've been trying several time to register in few mailings lists through web interface, and i've not received any confirmation mail (is there one ?) or post, that for several days... not spam filter, not wrong email (did it twice)... any idea ? thx
22:24.23CutMeOwnThroatNiklas-, just erase the devices after reboot
22:24.46mininatsorry, i Debian mailinglists
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22:25.30CutMeOwnThroatdunno
22:25.39CutMeOwnThroat!mailing list
22:25.39dpkgMailing lists allow large numbers of people in various time zones - who may or may not use <IRC> - to more effectively share knowledge and experiences with each other.  These communications are also persistent.  See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ .  For questions about lists.debian.org, join #debian-lists (OFTC) or e-mail listmaster@lists.debian.org.  Also ask me about <list spam> and <subscribed>.
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22:28.16dashsAny recommendations fro which java vm to install?
22:28.22foetusanybody knows, how i can get an working uzip plugin for mc? the source based one is still not usable..
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22:29.16mineralessh-vulnkey tells me my /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key:1: is compromised, is that my own systems' key?
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22:30.23tvynrminerale: Yeah, probably.
22:30.38tvynrminerale: I'm no expert on that config file, but I can't imagine what else would be in that file.
22:30.48mineralelooks like it's the version 1 RSA key
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22:31.04mineraletrying to figure out how to regenerate it
22:31.43tvynrminerale: ssh-keygen
22:31.52CutMeOwnThroatminerale, the :1 is a bit strange
22:32.20themillthat's just saying line 1 of the file
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22:32.30CutMeOwnThroatoh
22:32.32tvynrCutMeOwnThroat: Come to think of it, so is the filename.
22:32.35mineraleit's a binary file so I can't open it
22:32.40aragorn29sup, its me again =)
22:32.59tvynrCutMeOwnThroat: My files are called /etc/ssh/ssh_host_{d,r}sa_key
22:33.14CutMeOwnThroattvynr, mine is called exactly this
22:33.18tvynrminerale: That file should be a text file owned only by root.
22:33.33tvynrI'm trying to use the b43 drivers to run my Broadcom wireless card.  I installed b43-fwcutter and confirmed that the firmware is in /lib/firmware, but when I modprobe b43 I get no wlan0.  I get no error message in dmesg or in /var/log/syslog.  Any suggestions?
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22:34.13CutMeOwnThroattvynr, mine is also bimary-ish :)
22:34.42scienteswhen i compile a package with a patch how can i change the version so that it is preferred above the debian one?
22:34.48CutMeOwnThroats/bim/bin/
22:35.02CutMeOwnThroatscientes, debian/changelog
22:35.29CutMeOwnThroatjust increase by a minor number
22:35.47tvynrCutMeOwnThroat: Hunh.  I'm running Squeeze and my privkey is text.
22:36.09CutMeOwnThroattvynr, it's also in a differently called file
22:38.14CutMeOwnThroattvynr, then it works!
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22:41.15tvynrCutMeOwnThroat: Sadly, it doesn't.  I'm not getting a wlan0.
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22:45.39tvynrOh, no wonder.
22:45.54tvynrThe BCM4312 isn't supported with b43.
22:45.59tvynrBack to ndiswrapper, I guess.
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22:47.12adb!b43
22:47.12dpkg[b43] the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24.  Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver.  USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>).  802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver.  BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <ndiswrapper> or <wl>.  http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx  #bcm-users @ irc.freenode.net.
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22:48.17_EisRegeN_I want a encryption over my system, but without encryption of root for performace reasons. Which directories needs to be encrypted for minimum?
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22:48.50aragorn29hey the pdf thing is working now =)
22:48.55aragorn29ty guys
22:49.25aragorn29it works like this ...
22:50.08aragorn29a2ps --columns=1 -R -o - output.txt | ps2pdf - rdy.pdf
22:50.29mrbnet_php5-cli does not seem to run on a newly installed lenny system any suggestions?
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22:50.44themillstill doesn't know why you'd want that data in PDF form
22:50.49dubasked this recently but didnt get an answer, is there a ipv6 capable console web browser?
22:50.51\amethystmrbnet_:  do you get an error?
22:51.31CutMeOwnThroattvynr, errr !BCM4312 tells differently (for the most part)
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22:51.58mrbnet_\amethyst: nothing, it just sits there. does not popup in top. hitting enter just returns a line.
22:52.09aragorn29themill: i have to send the report to another guy, and it needs to be a rdy to print document =)
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22:52.24tvynr!BCM4312
22:52.24dpkgBroadcom BCM4312-based wireless LAN devices are supported by the <b43> driver, except for the low-power version (14e4:4315).  If you have this specific version, ask me about <ndiswrapper> or <wl>.
22:52.38CutMeOwnThroatmrbnet_, isn't that what it's supposed to do (like e.g. perl)
22:53.03themillmrbnet_: that's all cli php does
22:53.09tvynrCutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, I have the low-power version.  This is a laptop.  ;)  I'm trying the wl blob now.
22:53.50mrbnet_I am trying to run a php script
22:54.05themillmrbnet_: php -r 'echo "hello mrbnet_\n";'
22:55.32\amethystdub:  elinks, lynx, and w3m all appear to support IPv6.  links2 not so much
22:55.53\amethystdub:  tested with  $COMMAND http://[::1]/
22:55.53mrbnet_that works. So I guess it is working. I am trying to run "php myscript.php" Works on my older etch system but not the new one.
22:56.58themillmrbnet_: works here for helloworld.php .... how complex is your script?
22:57.32mrbnet_themill: connect to database insert a text file
22:58.03themillmrbnet_: let's try a trivial example again: echo "<?php echo 'hello world';?>" > myscript.php ; php myscript.php
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23:00.05mrbnet_themill: That works. I will have to look through my script.
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23:00.56themillmrbnet_: pull it apart piece by piece to work out how far its getting. In particular, see what's happening to the db connection (wild stab in the dark....).
23:01.10mrbnet_themill: I created another with just phpinfo() which worked as well. Something must have changed in script during the move.
23:01.19mrbnet_themill: thanks
23:01.40themillmrbnet_: or i the configuration of your php or the db or which php modules are available or ....
23:03.31dub\amethyst, not working for me, they seem to try and resolve the v6 IPs
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23:03.44redwyrmDoes the package manager check signatures of packages it downloads? If so, is there a way another program can verify these signatures (without going through the package manager)?
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23:05.21themillredwyrm: it's just an md5sum in the Packages file, so md5sum filename.deb and compare it to the Packages file would be sufficient.
23:05.39redwyrmohh
23:05.48redwyrmis there a signature for the Packages file?
23:05.55themillredwyrm: "apt-cache show package" will give you the md5sum (and sha1 and sha256).
23:06.07redwyrmbecause if there was, then this would be just as good as a signature for each package :)
23:06.59themill!secure apt
23:06.59dpkgit has been said that secure apt is http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt
23:07.24redwyrmthemill, thanks, I'll look into that
23:07.41themillredwyrm: There's a Release file (and Release.gpg) which contains the hashes of the Packages files which in turn contain the hashes of the .debs.
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23:08.12themillredwyrm: look for them in /var/lib/apt/lists if you're interested.
23:08.14redwyrmohh... so secure apt has been the default since 2005...
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23:09.15dub\amethyst, nm im on crack
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23:11.02themillredwyrm: I'm not sure what sparks your interest, but you may also want to look at the debsums utility. /msg dpkg debsums
23:12.18redwyrmthemill, I want to write an intrusion detection system that runs off a livecd and checks the integrity of all files, looking for changes to important files (library files, programs)
23:12.33redwyrmand reports these changes to the user according to importance
23:13.11themillredwyrm: then debsums may be a good thing to look at
23:13.30redwyrmis that a package?
23:13.39themilldpkg: tell redwyrm about debsums
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23:14.03themillredwyrm: yes, debsums package
23:14.14redwyrmokay, thanks
23:14.23redwyrmI'll read up on this later... I have to go
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23:14.28themillhave fun
23:14.46redwyrmwill do
23:14.46redwyrmbye
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23:18.59mischief6would it help performance on my eee pc if i used lxde/xfce instead of gnome?
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23:19.24scientesmischief6, yes
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23:19.37scientesmischief6, i recommend lxde
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23:19.51man_in_shackwaves
23:20.02adbicewm
23:20.02man_in_shacki'm having some issues with cups on unstable
23:20.20mischief6i like lxde, i used it before on knoppix
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23:20.35scientesits super light weight
23:20.36man_in_shackthe printer on my networked cups server has suddenly changed hostnames and is now inaccessible
23:20.46mischief6so you think things would be a little speedier?
23:20.51scientesabsolutely
23:20.55scientesgnome uses alot or RAM
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23:21.07mischief6i am only sitting at like 300mb ram
23:21.09mischief6out of 1gb
23:21.39scienteshmm
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23:25.20scientesIs it already fast?
23:25.31scientesi think it uses less processor too, and would allow more caching
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23:25.47mischief6well, things seem latent
23:25.52mischief6mostly launching programs
23:26.00scienteswell this would help
23:26.03Sazpaimon__I've deleted a 2 gig file off of /var/ but df -h still shows /var/ at 100% usage
23:26.07scientescause you would have more ram for caching
23:26.13scientesbut its also probably the processor
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23:26.15man_in_shackanyone know where cups gets its hostname information from?
23:26.19Sazpaimon__what gives?
23:26.27mischief6it's an atom 1.6ghz
23:26.32scientesSazpaimon__, you have to delete it from trash
23:26.42scientesmischief6, use htop
23:26.50Sazpaimon__scientes, I'm pretty sure rm -f does that
23:26.56mischief6scientes, i do
23:26.59mischief6scientes, ;)
23:27.14scienteswell then look at cpu when you launch a program :)
23:27.17Sazpaimonany other ideas?
23:27.39scientesif it pegs out without red(io wait) there is nothing you can do but use a differnt program
23:27.47themillSazpaimon: if files are open by a process, then the space is not freed
23:27.55scientes^^^^
23:27.57scientesthat too
23:28.18Sazpaimonthemill, thank's stopping apache freed the space
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23:28.48Sazpaimon(the file was error_log)
23:28.54mischief6scientes, it's fairly high but it is what i expect. i just recompiled my kernel though
23:29.16themillSazpaimon: you might want to fiddle with your logrotate config
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23:29.36scientesmischief6, why? just install the 686 kernel and your there
23:29.41Sazpaimonthemill, it was just a freak thing, something was using port 80 and error_log was filling up due to errors
23:29.52mischief6scientes, because there is a lot of stuff i don't need of course
23:29.55scientesif you have the 686 it wont speed anything up
23:30.09mischief6what do you mean, why is that?
23:30.13scientesahh modules if you dont have enought hd space
23:30.25mischief6i'm find on hd space :p
23:30.27scientes686 mean at least a pentium 3, which is basically what a atom is
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23:30.45Kvant686 includes p3 and ppro
23:30.50Kvants/p3/p2/
23:31.07scientes686 include SSE?
23:31.35mischief6well...i recompiled it, and i took a lot of stuff i don't need out. and the kernel got fatter because i put a lot of things in instead of having them as modules
23:33.35Niklas-Hey. I'm having an issue with getting debian to boot properly. I'm running lvm on top of a raid5 software array, and it seems the generated initrd file doesn't load up the raid, but tries to mount the lvm volume first
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23:35.49scientesadb, not when they are running, but yes
23:36.11adbthanks scientes ;)
23:36.35scientesyou will get a little quicker boot if you dont include all the modules in initrd, but that doesnt require recompiling
23:36.35sshchow do I use pulseaudio instead of alsa?
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23:47.27mick_laptopsshc: what app?
23:47.34mick_laptopi know some apps you can choose
23:47.44mick_laptoplike xmms or xine
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23:48.57sshcmick_laptop: I want to use pulseaudio for everything
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23:50.16mick_laptopwhat happens if you just remove alsa then?
23:50.33thismamacooks200My, bluetooth adapter works on my laptop but not on my desktop
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23:51.25mick_laptopoh nm that comment
23:51.39mick_laptopi forgot how pulseaudio works (not like OSS)
23:53.00mick_laptopsshc: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#Configuration_of_the_ALSA_PulseAudio_plugin
23:53.27mick_laptopso when things are configured to use alsa then tey will use pulseaudio
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23:56.42etchPRSNany linux live CD users know one with Inkscape .46 ?
23:56.56PolarinaetchPRSN: Yes, lenny comes with 0.46.
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23:57.22etchPRSNPolarina I may have to install that... actually, thats why Im after a live CD
23:57.37tuvwxwhat is a low-memory podcast client?
23:57.41PolarinaetchPRSN: Just install it, you won't regret it.
23:58.10etchPRSNPolarina  lenny is so buggy tho  :--)
23:58.40PolarinaetchPRSN: No, it's not. Install it from scratch instead of updating.
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