| 00:00.16 | etchPRSN | Polarina... ahh... so thats why everybody has probs... OK, thanks ! |
| 00:00.57 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 00:00.58 | Polarina | etchPRSN: Not a problem. :) |
| 00:01.08 | abrotman | i've upgraded tons of machines from etch to lenny .. reinstalling is silly |
| 00:01.18 | Polarina | abrotman: No, it's not. |
| 00:01.22 | abrotman | yes it is |
| 00:01.28 | Polarina | abrotman: As you wish. |
| 00:01.32 | abrotman | etchPRSN: what part of lenny is buggy? |
| 00:01.34 | etchPRSN | abrotman... yes... but didnt you practically write debian ?? :--) |
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| 00:05.02 | abrotman | "It's buggy, but I won't tell you how it's buggy" |
| 00:05.23 | etchPRSN | well... is it possible to upgrade just one application... the new Gimp or Inkscape, for instance ? |
| 00:05.32 | abrotman | just upgrade the whole machine to lenny |
| 00:05.53 | etchPRSN | its easier I suppose |
| 00:06.21 | abrotman | if you try to build inkscape/gimp on an etch box, you'll end up having to get tons of lenny libraries anyways |
| 00:06.30 | abrotman | to build it i mean |
| 00:06.53 | etchPRSN | right |
| 00:07.15 | etchPRSN | or possibly there is a backport... those are popular apps |
| 00:07.24 | abrotman | not at backports.org for inkscape |
| 00:07.36 | abrotman | nor gimp |
| 00:07.36 | etchPRSN | crud :) |
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| 00:08.05 | etchPRSN | why doesnt anybody do everything for you anymore :--) |
| 00:08.28 | themill | etch->lenny is pretty trivial, especially for a desktop machine where you have trivial console access if something does go wrong. |
| 00:08.31 | abrotman | !tell etchPRSN about lenny |
| 00:08.37 | abrotman | erm |
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| 00:08.39 | abrotman | !tell etchPRSN about etch->lenny |
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| 00:10.44 | gpm | hi. i want to move my / partition to a new harddrive with a possibly indeterminately larger partition. if i just make a tarball backup of /, create an fs on the new hd (same fs as before, ext3), and extract the tarball, should i be ok? i realize i'll have to run grub-install to re-set up the MBR, but other than that i'm good? thanks in advance. |
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| 00:11.16 | etchPRSN | is without internet connection at home... so... none of that cool apt upgrade stuff works here |
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| 00:12.07 | etchPRSN | gpm ummm... would it be easier to do a new install on the larger drive ? |
| 00:13.15 | gpm | no, i don't think so |
| 00:13.51 | gpm | all i am changing is the physical device it'll be on, and possibly the size of the partition. i want to keep all my customized settings and stuff |
| 00:14.12 | gpm | i don't like trying to remember which files i need to backup and forgetting one |
| 00:14.18 | etchPRSN | I do know there is an app just for moving entire systems... gparted ? |
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| 00:14.28 | jelly-home | gpm: your general idea is sound. |
| 00:14.30 | gpm | no, that's not what gparted is for. |
| 00:14.33 | gpm | jelly-home: thanks |
| 00:14.35 | etchPRSN | oh |
| 00:14.38 | gpm | i guess we'll fine out. |
| 00:14.41 | gpm | find |
| 00:15.39 | jelly-home | gpm: make sure tar works with numeric ids if you'll be doing untaring from a different os (like a livecd) |
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| 00:16.33 | aarkerio | hi! do anybody know an equalizer to XMMS2? |
| 00:16.37 | gpm | oh no, i want to boot off a drive that is blank |
| 00:16.54 | gpm | but i will first get an ext3 on there and untar my backup tarball from the old harddrive |
| 00:17.13 | gpm | i guess i'll have to use a rescue CD to run update-grub |
| 00:17.15 | jelly-home | gpm: and which OS will you do that from? |
| 00:17.15 | gpm | huh? |
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| 00:17.19 | gpm | yeah |
| 00:17.28 | gpm | i guess my handy ubuntu livecd, that'll be ok right? |
| 00:17.33 | jelly-home | gpm: yes. |
| 00:17.36 | gpm | ok |
| 00:17.50 | gpm | i just ordered it to get more stickers, but now it's actually useful! |
| 00:17.55 | devel0 | hello all, Im developing a custom distro based on debian for a specific purpose, the problem is that debian is quite large as it is for my needs |
| 00:18.10 | devel0 | I have a flux , X and browser based setup with java and flash running at 165 megs |
| 00:18.11 | jelly-home | gpm: of course, if you can have both disks present at the same time in the machine, you can do it from the already booted Debian |
| 00:18.25 | devel0 | I need to really cut it down |
| 00:18.25 | devel0 | anyone have some advice on this ? |
| 00:18.29 | devel0 | Im looking to meet the double digit megabyte marker |
| 00:18.45 | jelly-home | devel0: with java applets and flash? |
| 00:18.51 | devel0 | yes |
| 00:18.57 | jelly-home | good luck |
| 00:19.09 | devel0 | i was looking into jamvm , but jnlp files dont play ball |
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| 00:19.57 | devel0 | jelly-home, im gonna need it , thanks |
| 00:20.29 | devel0 | maybe ill get rid of java and stick jamvm/netx in it , dunno |
| 00:20.35 | devel0 | java is just huge |
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| 00:23.16 | devel0 | anyone else have ideas , or ? |
| 00:23.52 | gpm | jelly-home: right. i don't, sadly. |
| 00:24.02 | etchPRSN | java is huge... that means openoffice is behemoth :-) |
| 00:24.35 | gpm | jelly-home: question: the drive holding the backup tarball will be fat32, which means a 4GB filesize limitation, is there a way to split the tarball up into multiple, smaller files, like what RARs sometimes look like? |
| 00:25.09 | jelly-home | gpm: /usr/bin/split |
| 00:26.14 | gpm | jelly-home: how do you put it back together again (sorry)? |
| 00:27.01 | jelly-home | gpm: you don't need to, cat part1 part2 part3 | tar xf - |
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| 00:27.46 | jelly-home | but "cat xaa xab xac ... > origfile" would do |
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| 00:35.20 | gpm | jelly-home: beautiful. thanks! |
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| 00:45.01 | devel0 | can someone clarify which 2 packages i actually need to get javaws and the browser plugin dependencies satisfied |
| 00:45.06 | devel0 | is it sun-java5-jre or sun-java5-bin ? |
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| 00:46.14 | abrotman | apt-cache search java plugin |
| 00:47.00 | Joelito | devel0, why not try the open source ones: openjdk-re |
| 00:47.14 | devel0 | are they smaller? |
| 00:49.18 | enioh | cua |
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| 00:49.41 | gpm | is there a way to compare two directories recusively and find out which files one has that the other doesn't? |
| 00:49.56 | gpm | for a fairly large hierarchy |
| 00:50.27 | devel0 | you could build two separate files with find and then compare them ? |
| 00:50.59 | gpm | devel0: how would i compare them though? diff? |
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| 00:51.18 | devel0 | diff compares whats inside filews |
| 00:51.38 | gpm | right, so if i used it to compare the two files, might that work? |
| 00:51.46 | meyou | dirdiff |
| 00:51.59 | luckylucy | i have one computer working as a router, has 3 nics, WAN, LAN, DMZ. I have been using it without the DMZ part, now i added a computer to the DMZ and can't get a dhcp lease, any ideas? |
| 00:52.15 | devel0 | luckylucy, dhcp log ? |
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| 00:52.41 | luke3321 | Anyone here a DD? |
| 00:52.50 | meyou | dedicated driver? |
| 00:52.57 | luke3321 | Debian Developer |
| 00:53.01 | devel0 | Distributed Drunk? |
| 00:53.04 | devel0 | oh |
| 00:53.25 | stew | luke3321: there are a bunch of us, why? |
| 00:54.23 | luke3321 | stew: Just thinking about becoming one, and wanted to know if there was much difference/preference over an i386 or amd64 install on the developer's computer |
| 00:54.35 | stew | luke3321: not at all |
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| 00:55.14 | luke3321 | stew: Okay, and about how did your "certification" (for lack of a better word) process go? |
| 00:55.19 | spldart | Is there a switch I can pass to apt in order to control download rate? |
| 00:55.31 | devel0 | use tc |
| 00:55.36 | gpm | meyou: thanks! i thought you were kidding at first. |
| 00:55.42 | luckylucy | devel0: nothing from the new computer... |
| 00:55.49 | spldart | apt-get install 'like 1 gig of stuff' but only utilize like 100kbps |
| 00:55.59 | stew | luke3321: what exactly do you mean by how? |
| 00:56.34 | luke3321 | stew: What did you do before hand, and what sorta stuff did they ask of you for the skills test? |
| 00:56.36 | devel0 | luckylucy, did you add an interface to this computer by any chance ? If you did , did the interfaces shift in any way ? If this is so you might be getting a dhcp lease on another interface , you should check them |
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| 00:57.33 | luckylucy | devel0: the new computer only has one interface, it is eth0 (asid from lo) |
| 00:57.52 | devel0 | hold on |
| 00:57.54 | stew | luke3321: beforehand I had done lots of bugfixing and was maintaining several packages. for T&S i did things like sending patches to apt, making QA uploads, doing NMUs, writing manpages, filing RM bugs, etc |
| 00:58.01 | devel0 | when i said look at the log , i meant the dhcp server |
| 00:58.34 | luckylucy | devel0: yes, that is the log i am tailing right now, no requests from anything new. |
| 00:58.43 | luke3321 | stew: Thought you had to be a Debian Developer to maintain a package.. Or at least thats what I got from the site. |
| 00:59.24 | devel0 | if your not getting a request from the client , then it isnt broadcasting for dhcp |
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| 00:59.27 | stew | luke3321: no, not at all, you just can't upload unless you are a debian developer or a debian maintainer. if you aren't, you can maintain a package and have your uploads sponsored by a DD |
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| 00:59.31 | devel0 | thus begin with the client |
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| 01:00.36 | luckylucy | i am seeing a DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port67 interval 8, with error No DHCPOFFERS recieved. |
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| 01:00.38 | luke3321 | stew: Ah, that makes more sense.. And are there any limitation on what types of packages you can maintain? I have an idea, but it would fall in contrib if not non-free |
| 01:01.28 | stew | luke3321: no there isn't |
| 01:01.30 | luckylucy | which is the incorrect addy specified in resolv.conf nameserver parameter |
| 01:01.32 | devel0 | go to the dhcp server |
| 01:01.44 | devel0 | and do a tcpdump -i ethX dhcp |
| 01:02.00 | devel0 | then make thre client ask for a lease again |
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| 01:02.11 | devel0 | and see if your actually getting the lease req |
| 01:02.19 | luke3321 | stew: Well I guess I will get together my package and see if I can find a DD to sponsor it |
| 01:02.43 | stew | luke3321: what are you thinking of packaging? |
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| 01:04.15 | spldart | Meh... tc looks like it's gonna be a significant effort for only one little need. IE: used very VERY rarely. |
| 01:04.23 | spldart | Thanks anyway. |
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| 01:04.30 | luke3321 | stew: Well I'm sure you know that debian has a packaged java install. But with this package, the fullscreen and some more andvanced features of sites dont work quite right without some tweaking. And I have built my own package for my own use. But I was thinking about brining it in to the repositories for anyone else to use for java gaming and such (Runescape etc..) |
| 01:05.45 | luckylucy | devel0: a little beyond me now, shows listening on eth2 link type.... |
| 01:05.48 | stew | luke3321: another sun java package? |
| 01:06.12 | luke3321 | stew: Something along those lines. |
| 01:06.31 | luke3321 | stew: But tooled to make more demanding java games work flawlessley |
| 01:06.36 | devel0 | luckylucy, when the computer asks for a dhcp lease do you see anything on tcpdump? |
| 01:06.57 | luckylucy | devel0: oh yeah, i do...:) |
| 01:07.07 | devel0 | like what? |
| 01:07.08 | stew | luke3321: i doubt such a package would be accepted. you should consider trying to help the existing java maintainers with the current sun packages if you think they could be improved |
| 01:07.22 | luckylucy | 08:07:29.224542 IP 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: BOOTP/DHCP, Request from 00:06:5b:48:d7:a7 (oui Unknown), length 300 |
| 01:08.04 | luke3321 | stew: Or I could go along that line. Who makes the call as to what packages are accepted? |
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| 01:11.19 | luckylucy | devel0: does that look familiar? |
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| 01:13.26 | luke3321 | stew: So do you have any suggestions as to where to start if I want to become a DD? |
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| 01:19.19 | luckylucy | devel0: i found the problem, or one at least, the conf file for dnsmasq, just have to go back and read the manual now. thx for the help. |
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| 01:27.09 | luckylucy | testing |
| 01:28.13 | midkniht | testes |
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| 01:28.36 | skath | I answered my own question, it looks like the console=tty... value in /proc/cmdline tells me what I need to know |
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| 01:34.04 | luke3321 | stew: Sorry I had to drop out on you earlier |
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| 01:35.45 | stew | luke3321: your sponsor would hopefully tell you that uploading another version of java would not be a good idea. the final decision would go to the ftp team (of which i'm a member). we'd not want to accept another java package. we don't like having multiple copies of the same source in debain, it causes a larger buden on the security team |
| 01:35.52 | stew | (among other problems) |
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| 01:36.19 | luke3321 | stew: Ah, coming from that direction, I can see what you mean |
| 01:36.38 | luke3321 | stew: Do you have any suggestion on where to start if I want to become a DD? |
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| 01:37.21 | pyrohotdog | I just installed Lenny, how can I get this stupid "You are not allowed to access the system configuration" messages to go away? |
| 01:37.36 | luckylucy | ok, not getting anywhere, i cannot get a dhcp lease |
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| 01:38.06 | sylecn | pyrohotdog: I haven't seem that when installing lenny. |
| 01:38.39 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: using which application? |
| 01:39.19 | pyrohotdog | the modem control applet.. |
| 01:39.25 | abrotman | which one? |
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| 01:39.34 | pyrohotdog | From the panel? |
| 01:39.44 | abrotman | gives up |
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| 01:40.53 | pyrohotdog | Well sorry... Add to panel --> Modem monitor. When I right click it and select properties, I get the message. |
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| 01:41.36 | pyrohotdog | I just need to connect my gsm modem, in Ubuntu it shows up under the connection applet, with wifi networks, in Debian I seem to have to use it as a modem. |
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| 01:44.52 | stew | luke3321: start fixing RC bugs. go through the list of orphaned packages (http://debian.org/devel/wnpp) and see if perhaps you could help by adopting one |
| 01:45.16 | stew | luke3321: bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php is a good place to find RC bugs that need to be fixed |
| 01:45.41 | stew | luke3321: if you know ways the java packagers could be doing a better job, or how the java-package package could be improved, file wishlist bugs with patches |
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| 01:46.24 | luke3321 | stew: I will look into it, about how many RC bugs/Patches should I have before applying? |
| 01:46.55 | stew | luke3321: i have no idea. you should maintaining packages before applying |
| 01:47.34 | luke3321 | stew: I see, thanks for your help. I will look through the orphaned packages and find some |
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| 01:50.13 | Pendrag01 | Hey, I was having a big problem with a corrupt svn, so I found a way to get a list of all the files I need in a text file |
| 01:50.17 | kess | good night |
| 01:50.23 | Pendrag01 | now if I could cat out each line from this text file, and pipe it to svn up |
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| 01:50.39 | Pendrag01 | then I would be fine, I can't remember how to pipe it correctly and use xargs or whatnot |
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| 01:51.11 | abrotman | Pendrag01: might be easier to use a script with a shell for loop |
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| 01:51.43 | Pendrag01 | I need to do something like 'svn up | xargs images.txt' |
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| 01:52.39 | abrotman | you mean 'cat images.txt | xargs svn up' ? |
| 01:53.16 | Holborn | sounds better |
| 01:53.32 | Pendrag01 | probably |
| 01:53.44 | Pendrag01 | I couldn't remember, I haven't touched a deb box like this in years |
| 01:53.45 | Pendrag01 | thanks |
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| 01:54.08 | kess | one question... |
| 01:54.20 | kess | i've got the wireless card to work (Ralink RT2500) |
| 01:54.46 | kess | but i had to blacklist some modules (rt2x00) because they were segfaulting |
| 01:55.02 | Pendrag01 | ah there we go |
| 01:55.07 | kess | and instead use "rt2500". Somehow udev manages to preload the other ones |
| 01:55.07 | Pendrag01 | thanks a bunch guys |
| 01:55.19 | ranix | why does my delete key perform a backspace rather than a delete? |
| 01:55.25 | kess | what would be the correct way to fix it? |
| 01:55.30 | ranix | do I have a key held down? |
| 01:55.40 | kess | stick to blacklisting and fill a bug report somewhere? |
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| 01:57.08 | qiyong | should I create pv on a whole disk device or on a partiton ? |
| 01:57.13 | module000 | ranix: are you ssh'd? |
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| 01:59.46 | ranix | module000: nope |
| 02:00.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ranix, perhaps it liked the change |
| 02:00.18 | ranix | it appears to have |
| 02:00.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's the freedom of choice |
| 02:00.33 | ranix | I am using synergy, but never come across this kind of bizarretae before |
| 02:00.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | synergy |
| 02:00.54 | ranix | was thinking a modifier key was held down but it's not ctrl, alt, or esc |
| 02:00.58 | abrotman | ranix: try ctrl-h |
| 02:00.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
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| 02:01.19 | ranix | oh, I am using screen |
| 02:01.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | delete normally is ^? backspace is ^H |
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| 02:01.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | on gnu/linux systems |
| 02:01.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is interpreted as what is ... open for interpretation |
| 02:01.52 | ranix | ctrl shift h performs a backspace |
| 02:01.53 | abrotman | so why not try ctrl-h ? |
| 02:02.30 | ranix | bizarre, also happens with the native keyboard in another Xterm |
| 02:02.48 | Gun_Smoke | debian's mutt package doesn't support nntp eh? |
| 02:02.50 | abrotman | using screen/synergy ? |
| 02:02.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | that got nothing to do with the keyboard |
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| 02:03.00 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: does anything ? :) |
| 02:03.16 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman, don't know how to answer that..? |
| 02:03.21 | ranix | abrotman: it does happen with the native keyboard in another xterm not using synergy |
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| 02:03.50 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: do you need a console news reader ? |
| 02:03.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | try stty -a |
| 02:04.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, better delete acts as backspace than backspace acts as delete |
| 02:04.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | or not at all |
| 02:04.43 | ranix | true |
| 02:04.46 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman, not exactly.. I only follow one or two, I would like to incorporate it in with mutt because it's already open and watching for mail.. |
| 02:04.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | delete is useless anyway |
| 02:05.04 | ranix | I like delete |
| 02:05.04 | Gun_Smoke | I'm thinking about emacs with gnus, but I'm really starting to like mutt |
| 02:05.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | only backspace is needed :) |
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| 02:08.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | that sounds kinda dirty |
| 02:08.42 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman, what do you use slrn? |
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| 02:08.52 | magyar | does grub2 has a shell like grub does? |
| 02:09.15 | ranix | stty -a says erase = ^? |
| 02:09.22 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: i stopped reading nntp awhile ago .. signal/noise was getting silly .. and that was 10+ years ago |
| 02:09.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | ranix, seems ok |
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| 02:10.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | ranix, actually xterm/bash fix up a lot of this confusion, too |
| 02:10.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | bash, I think |
| 02:10.10 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: but i used to use .. tin IIRC .. |
| 02:10.14 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman, few are not too bad. but I agree it is getting a bit ridiculous |
| 02:10.21 | abrotman | getting ? |
| 02:10.30 | Gun_Smoke | lol |
| 02:11.15 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman, well as Ubuntu seems to be growing idiots at a exponential rate, the *linux* groups are getting blasted. |
| 02:11.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's probably more or less the same idiots anywhere |
| 02:12.06 | dkr | the total sum of intelligence on the internet is a finite number |
| 02:12.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://xkcd.com/481/ |
| 02:12.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, only the computing power grows exponential? :) |
| 02:13.34 | Gun_Smoke | lol.. xkcd is great.. |
| 02:13.40 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: pick better groups ?> |
| 02:15.05 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman, I have.. Like I said I really only keep up with 2 or 3 which is why I would rather have them amened to my current mutt setup. |
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| 02:15.57 | Aramil | good day/night everyone |
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| 02:18.40 | Aramil | i have a doubt, if someone can give me a hand with it. Im testing the remote communication with my database, i use GRANT ALL ON user.... TO user@'ip adreess' etc. but now i dont know how to remove that priviledge |
| 02:19.02 | Aramil | i mean to block that remote connection only |
| 02:19.36 | Gun_Smoke | hosts.deny ? |
| 02:19.53 | Aramil | from mysql commnand line? |
| 02:20.23 | abrotman | Aramil: ask #mysql |
| 02:20.56 | Aramil | ok thanks i believe there is no one there but thanks |
| 02:20.58 | Aramil | ;) |
| 02:21.58 | abrotman | you could check the mysql.com and read the docs |
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| 02:22.46 | brett|deb | hey hey |
| 02:23.21 | Gun_Smoke | "Ubuntu" - an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". lol what a sig |
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| 02:23.45 | brett|deb | can anyone lend a hand with a simple problem |
| 02:23.53 | flaccid | haha |
| 02:23.54 | abrotman | just ask |
| 02:24.35 | flaccid | "Linux" - an OS people use because BSD somehow wasn't cool enough |
| 02:24.37 | brett|deb | i'm using lighttpd and i'm trying to figure out how to setup htpasswd on the web root dir |
| 02:24.38 | pyrohotdog | What does "unexpected end of file in version number" mean and how do I fix it... |
| 02:24.39 | brett|deb | /var/www |
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| 02:26.01 | Pnux | hey, im having a weird problem with Epiphany. Every time i start it, the "work offline" option is "checked" so i have to uncheck it every time. In the case this isnt a debian question, could you please point me in the right direction? |
| 02:26.06 | mischief6 | hey, can anyone tell me, if i upgrade my kernel to say, 2.6.29, will i have to recompile any modules that i have or want? |
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| 02:27.31 | Pnux | mischief6: not really sure, but for what has happened to me yes. |
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| 02:28.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pnux, you never exit cleanly? |
| 02:28.39 | Pnux | CutMeOwnThroat: i only did that once, but the problem keeps happening even if i close it correctly. |
| 02:29.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pnux, "find .gnome2/epiphany -type f -exec grep -il offli '{}' +"? |
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| 02:29.42 | mischief6 | okay. so i cannot use my existing modules with a newer kernel? |
| 02:29.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | although that searchs all the Cache, too |
| 02:29.57 | mischief6 | how would i go about figuring out what modules i need to recompile myself? |
| 02:30.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, can you use your old gear with a new car? |
| 02:30.25 | mischief6 | i dunno, i'm not into cars :p |
| 02:30.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 02:30.58 | abrotman | mischief6: why did you compile your own kernel? |
| 02:31.04 | Pnux | CutMeOwnThroat: im not sure if im meant to copy-paste that whole command without the quotes and the ? or with them |
| 02:31.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | you were |
| 02:31.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | (without) |
| 02:31.31 | Pnux | oh well, thats what i thought |
| 02:31.39 | abrotman | brett|deb: there is a #lighttpd |
| 02:31.53 | mischief6 | abrotman, because i thought it would make my system faster :x |
| 02:31.54 | Pnux | it returned only a line for a file in the cache dir |
| 02:31.57 | brett|deb | abrotman appreciated |
| 02:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pnux, then you'll have to guess better |
| 02:32.36 | mischief6 | abrotman, i only recompiled 2.6.26...i wanna try to do 2.6.29 this time, since it will support my rtl8187 card |
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| 02:32.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pnux, perhaps find .gnome2/epiphany -type f -exec grep -i net '{}' + |
| 02:33.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, why don't you use the packages |
| 02:33.09 | mischief6 | what packages |
| 02:33.18 | Pnux | tried with 'off' an a file not in cache/ came up, so ill check that one |
| 02:33.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | the debian kernel packages? |
| 02:33.30 | mischief6 | CutMeOwnThroat, all there is is 2.6.26 |
| 02:33.34 | mischief6 | unless i am mistaken |
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| 02:33.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | linux-headers-2.6.29-2-686? |
| 02:34.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions linux-headers-2.6.29-2-686 |
| 02:34.10 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: linux-headers-2.6.29-2-686 -- sid: 2.6.29-4 |
| 02:34.23 | mischief6 | i am in squeeze :x |
| 02:34.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, copied the headers :) |
| 02:34.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, so? |
| 02:34.54 | abrotman | !custom kernel |
| 02:34.55 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD". |
| 02:34.57 | brett|deb | looks like the lighttpd channel is dead lol |
| 02:35.08 | brett|deb | basic setup questions on htpasswd |
| 02:35.11 | abrotman | brett|deb: did you check the wiki mentioned in the topic? |
| 02:35.17 | mischief6 | CutMeOwnThroat, and there is no linux-*-2.6.29 in my aptitude sir |
| 02:35.23 | brett|deb | let me check |
| 02:36.01 | flaccid | im a bit new to debian. where can i read about apt upgrade for 5.0 to 5.01 ? |
| 02:36.27 | qiyong | do you know how to add in a new pv to a vg? |
| 02:36.37 | Pnux | CutMeOwnThroat: is it normal for Epiphany to generate de session_crashed.xml every time i start it? |
| 02:36.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, well, add unstable to your sorces.list for it? Then check with apt-cache depends linux-image-2.6.29-2-686 what it could need that's unstable-specific (nothing) |
| 02:36.44 | Pnux | s/de/the |
| 02:37.03 | abrotman | !5.0.1 |
| 02:37.04 | dpkg | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 was released on April 11th, 2009. This is the first update of <lenny> and the first point release to use a micro version number (ie. 5.0.1 instead of 5.0r1). This update corrects security problems within the <stable> release, along with adjustments for serious problems. http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090411 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
| 02:37.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pnux, what do YOU think? :) |
| 02:37.36 | mischief6 | uh, CutMeOwnThroat why can't i just download the source from kernel.org and use make-kpkg like i did with this kernel i compiled? |
| 02:37.36 | Pnux | CutMeOwnThroat: that doesnt sound right, but i ask just in case |
| 02:38.04 | flaccid | abrotman hmm that bot gives a loop direction |
| 02:38.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pnux, how should I know... I probably used Ephiphany for a whole 5 minutes or so... ( I don't have such a file, though) |
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| 02:38.42 | Pnux | i use it 5 mins everyday, so i have no idea either |
| 02:38.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 02:38.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | "probably not" |
| 02:38.59 | flaccid | abrotman no actual upgrade instructions there |
| 02:39.04 | abrotman | flaccid: there are .. |
| 02:39.09 | Pnux | well, i guess i can reinstall it |
| 02:39.11 | abrotman | flaccid: are your sources pointing at lenny? |
| 02:39.13 | Pnux | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks for the help |
| 02:39.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pnux, I hope .gnome2/epiphany/mozilla/epiphany/ is still correct for recent versions |
| 02:39.24 | abrotman | flaccid: or paste your sources.list in a paste.debian.net |
| 02:39.38 | Pnux | CutMeOwnThroat: yup, it is |
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| 02:39.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pnux, perhaps do find $HOME/.[a-zA-Z]* |grep -i epiphany # to see if some other config dirs turn up |
| 02:40.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | (that's how i found my stale ones) |
| 02:40.04 | mischief6 | abrotman, did you link me to that OpenBSD faq to say that i should not compile my own kernel? |
| 02:40.08 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:40.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | canny, eh? |
| 02:40.29 | mischief6 | but a newer kernel will support my wireless card, i have good reason :x |
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| 02:40.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, you don't |
| 02:40.47 | flaccid | abrotman i believe so. i'll pastie |
| 02:40.54 | kamp2tux_ | linux-image-486 is for 32-bit and linux-image-686 is it mean for 64-bit ? |
| 02:40.58 | abrotman | mischief6: you can get the kernel from sid and install it usually |
| 02:41.00 | Arrowmaster | how new is your wireless card that it wont work on the older one? |
| 02:41.08 | Arrowmaster | kamp2tux_: no |
| 02:41.09 | mischief6 | CutMeOwnThroat, explicate please |
| 02:41.16 | flaccid | abrotman: sources atm http://pastie.org/476406 |
| 02:41.27 | kamp2tux_ | Arrowmaster: please advise me TQ |
| 02:41.47 | abrotman | flaccid: you shouldn't be using that webmin .. and comment out line 7 |
| 02:41.47 | flaccid | actually lsb_release shows 5.0.1 already |
| 02:41.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, as abrotman said... take the one from unstable |
| 02:41.50 | flaccid | must be up to date |
| 02:41.56 | Arrowmaster | kamp2tux_: 686 is about pentium2 and later |
| 02:42.03 | mischief6 | CutMeOwnThroat, and how can i do that? |
| 02:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | like *I* said above? |
| 02:42.13 | abrotman | flaccid: if you do an `aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade` .. are any held back? |
| 02:42.14 | mischief6 | simply dl the .deb from the online repos..? |
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| 02:42.33 | flaccid | 1momento |
| 02:42.35 | kamp2tux_ | Arrowmaster: what is 486 and 686 means ? when i install debian it prompt me to choose 486 or 686, and my system is Pentium 4 |
| 02:42.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, add a line for unstable to your sources.list, apt-get update;apt-get install <yourkernelimage> |
| 02:42.44 | Arrowmaster | 686 |
| 02:42.44 | mischief6 | CutMeOwnThroat, wouldn't it be a problem having sid and squeeze repos? |
| 02:42.52 | kamp2tux_ | Arrowmaster: many thans |
| 02:42.53 | abrotman | kamp2tux_: do you iknow what a 486 CPU is? |
| 02:42.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, I explained above |
| 02:42.59 | flaccid | abrotman installed some updates but thats it |
| 02:43.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, will you read it when I repeat? |
| 02:43.07 | flaccid | abrotman which webmin then? |
| 02:43.10 | mischief6 | CutMeOwnThroat, i know you did. i asked a different question. |
| 02:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 02:43.14 | abrotman | flaccid: don't use it at all? |
| 02:43.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
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| 02:43.31 | kamp2tux_ | abrotman: Intel 486 is for older before Pentium |
| 02:43.33 | flaccid | abrotman ah my admin partner wants it mainly for log viewing |
| 02:43.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, <CutMeOwnThroat> mischief6, well, add unstable to your sorces.list for it? Then check with apt-cache depends linux-image-2.6.29-2-686 what it could need that's unstable-specific (nothing) |
| 02:43.37 | abrotman | flaccid: i'm just pointing out that you're using a webmin intended for a debian system that is two versions before what you're using now |
| 02:43.38 | flaccid | but yeah i don't like it either |
| 02:43.52 | flaccid | abrotman yeah this is what webmin's site says to use |
| 02:43.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, that exactly answers your question |
| 02:43.58 | abrotman | kamp2tux_: for log viewing? seriously? |
| 02:44.06 | abrotman | erm .. flaccid ^^ |
| 02:44.20 | flaccid | yeah |
| 02:44.33 | flaccid | i admin everything via shell |
| 02:44.52 | flaccid | this server is in amazon ec2 and is going very well with lots of services |
| 02:45.07 | abrotman | kamp2tux_: aptitude show linux-image-686 ; aptitude show linux-image-486 |
| 02:45.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, it's only (or can be) a problem when it pulls stuff from unstable... like the first kernel(s) using udev instead of hotplug |
| 02:45.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | even then, there was a grace period, where both was supported |
| 02:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, anyway, abrotman told you so!!! and he's a bobbit-factoid fan!!!!! |
| 02:46.34 | mischief6 | told me so what? :x |
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| 02:47.34 | mischief6 | omg, aptitude update is transferring from the sid repo at 10kBps :\ |
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| 02:48.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, you only read half of what we say :( |
| 02:48.33 | flaccid | so using a full up to date lenny. that should be sweet as right? :) |
| 02:48.37 | mischief6 | i try :x |
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| 02:49.30 | tretretre | hey I have a question about sshd, is it possible to see what my users are transferring over the internet? |
| 02:49.36 | mischief6 | CutMeOwnThroat, abrotman. if stripping and recompiling the kernel will not speed up my system, what will? at this point, windows XP runs much smoother on the same machine :\ |
| 02:49.56 | sigfried1982 | Hi every body, do you know how i can configure my wireless card with ndiswrapper in debian 5.0, because I try to configure that but don't work (sorry for my english) |
| 02:49.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, don't use kde? |
| 02:50.05 | mischief6 | i don't use kde.. |
| 02:50.13 | abrotman | don't use flash+firefox ? |
| 02:50.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't use gnome? :) |
| 02:50.31 | mischief6 | i don't use flash+firefox.. |
| 02:50.33 | Arrowmaster | dont use X |
| 02:50.37 | mischief6 | i use gnome though :x |
| 02:50.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 02:50.39 | flaccid | opera *cough* |
| 02:50.42 | mischief6 | Arrowmaster, shush you |
| 02:50.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | bulls eye |
| 02:50.59 | mischief6 | well...is installing a different DE difficult? |
| 02:51.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | !nonfreesmite flaccid |
| 02:51.20 | dpkg | makes flaccid administer an HP-UX box running qmail using a laptop running Windows, with an Intel wireless card and an nVidia video chipset. And Microsoft Telnet, too -- no putty for you, slave! |
| 02:51.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | serves you right |
| 02:51.55 | flaccid | haha thats a bit extreme |
| 02:52.05 | tretretre | hey I have a question about sshd, is it possible to see what my users are transferring over sftp? |
| 02:52.14 | flaccid | opera is one of the few non-free software i use |
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| 02:52.33 | flaccid | i can't help it if it rocks |
| 02:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | tretretre, fascistlogging? |
| 02:52.54 | tretretre | ummm |
| 02:53.02 | tretretre | is there a way I could see it in real time |
| 02:53.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | man sshd_config /loglevel |
| 02:53.45 | mischief6 | CutMeOwnThroat, so why did i need to look at the apt-cache depends..? |
| 02:53.52 | mischief6 | won't anything i don't have be installed anyways? |
| 02:54.00 | mischief6 | (that it is dependent on) |
| 02:54.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'Logging with a DEBUG level violates the privacy of users and is not recommended.' |
| 02:54.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, I just wanted to show you what it depends on |
| 02:54.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, few things with version numbers... nothing from unstable |
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| 02:55.03 | mischief6 | ok...so i can just install linux-image-2.6.29-2-686, remove sid from my sources.list and i am good to go? |
| 02:55.21 | abrotman | just use wget |
| 02:55.31 | mischief6 | eh? |
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| 02:56.10 | tretretre | CutMeOwnThroat, not exactly the solution I was working for, but as far as I can tell its the only thing I can do, thanks bud! |
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| 02:57.12 | mischief6 | abrotman, you mean just dl the kernel package off the sid online repo? |
| 02:57.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, top;iotop;free ... and so on... find out what your system is busy with |
| 02:57.55 | adb | wget ftp://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.29-2-686_2.6.29-4_i386.deb |
| 02:57.56 | mischief6 | CutMeOwnThroat, i am only sitting at 196MB right now |
| 02:58.03 | mischief6 | with just gnome running, and aptitude |
| 02:58.26 | adb | mischief6: ^^^ |
| 02:58.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, old machine? |
| 02:58.49 | mischief6 | no |
| 02:58.52 | mischief6 | an eee pc :) |
| 02:58.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 02:59.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably sata... then forget that |
| 02:59.13 | mischief6 | forget what :x |
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| 02:59.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | If I don't tell you, you won't even have to forget |
| 02:59.33 | mischief6 | i think the disks use an ide interface |
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| 03:00.19 | Matson | how do I remove config files for a package already removed? |
| 03:00.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, then check hdparm -i /dev/[hs]da and hdparm -I /dev/[hs]da if the disks use DMA |
| 03:00.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matson, dpkg --purge |
| 03:00.42 | Matson | "sudo apt-get purge smokeping" says it is already removed |
| 03:00.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matson, dpkg --purge pkgname |
| 03:00.46 | Matson | ok |
| 03:00.48 | mischief6 | i don't have that :o |
| 03:00.49 | Matson | man'ing |
| 03:01.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !installit |
| 03:01.00 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 03:01.47 | UncleBob | What package has ssh? |
| 03:02.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell UncleBob about apt-file |
| 03:05.09 | mmind | is there a proper way to set the value of /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ipw2200/*/rf_kill automatically at boot? i want the radio to be disabled by default |
| 03:05.35 | luckylucy | anyone know how to forward port 80 in shorewall, i am just getting a closed port on the scan, do i need to allow 80 from net to fw and then dnat? |
| 03:05.37 | mischief6 | alright, so once i install this kernel image, i will need to compile any modules i need/want by hand right? |
| 03:05.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, no |
| 03:05.55 | mischief6 | oh? |
| 03:06.31 | mischief6 | then what will i need to do, CutMeOwnThroat ...? |
| 03:06.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | reboot |
| 03:07.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | try dpkg -L linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 03:07.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | assuming you got that kernel installed |
| 03:08.50 | mischief6 | working on it :x |
| 03:08.54 | Matson | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you |
| 03:09.01 | mischief6 | i am installing xfce4 |
| 03:09.11 | Matson | wierd byt the dpkg --purge works and the apt-get purge does not |
| 03:09.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, there's lxde if your heart hangs on DEs |
| 03:09.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matson, it's apt-get --purge remove XX |
| 03:09.44 | mischief6 | i got a funny error while installing xfce4 though, it said 'dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package linux-image-2.6.29-2-686 missing' |
| 03:09.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matson, man apt-get knows all those secrets, too :) |
| 03:10.27 | Matson | I tried "apt-get --purge remove" and "apt-get purge" - both did not remove the config files |
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| 03:11.05 | maxagaz | how to limit the ram usage a command uses ? |
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| 03:12.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matson, guess it doesn't process it because it's already gone |
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| 03:13.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh, you're right, apt-get purge should also work |
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| 03:13.30 | luckylucy | any shorewall experts? |
| 03:13.51 | Xenguy | !ask |
| 03:13.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:14.10 | sepult | hell! it seems those cronjobs won't use the second core, or run in the background |
| 03:14.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matson, well, file a bug report? It doesn't contradict documentation, but kinda feels wrong |
| 03:14.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matson, bit silly that you should have to install it to remove config files |
| 03:14.57 | v3breaker | I have a problem with debian; I'm running Debian version 2.4. When I try to do stuff I get the following output: "Fatal Error". I expected it to do stuff, but it didn't. What do I do? |
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| 03:15.34 | luckylucy | i am showing port 80 and 22 open on a port scan, can't telnet to 80 but i can to 22, i have dnat for 80 from router (debian) to webserver (debian w/apache). apache2 is running, can't get there from net |
| 03:15.50 | v3breaker | not so lucky eh? |
| 03:16.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, if in doubt, add unstable to sources.list and reinstall... (you might also want headers) |
| 03:16.32 | mischief6 | CutMeOwnThroat, unstable == squeeze? |
| 03:16.34 | brett|deb | http://pastebin.ca/1421230 what am i doing wrong there it should be password protecting the web root dir |
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| 03:16.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, unstable is sid |
| 03:17.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !debian releases |
| 03:17.04 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 03:17.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | v3breaker, ^^^ there IS no debian 2.4 |
| 03:17.23 | v3breaker | brett|deb; bad realm I assume |
| 03:17.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, NEVER do stuff! |
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| 03:17.49 | brett|deb | does the realm have to = the directory or can it just bea phrase? |
| 03:18.09 | v3breaker | i have no idea, but it just seems logical the realm is wrong since that's the variable that should be protecting it |
| 03:19.12 | brett|deb | hmm |
| 03:20.33 | mischief6 | okay, CutMeOwnThroat how do i select xfce as my DE when i install it? |
| 03:21.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | luckylucy, ok... now... how can I break this to you gently... asking normally involves a question |
| 03:21.46 | v3breaker | arr it be drivin me nutz |
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| 03:22.01 | brett|deb | anyone else have a clue about the htpasswd |
| 03:22.03 | brett|deb | http://pastebin.ca/1421230 what am i doing wrong there it should be password protecting the web root dir |
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| 03:22.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | luckylucy, try netstat -an |grep :80 - if this shows 0.0.0.0:80 and not 127.0.0.1:80, then the service is available from outside and your router/nat is the problem |
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| 03:26.34 | JeremyK | problem is, I have more ipv6 ips than ipv4 ips, so the 'iface eth1:4 inet6 static' etc doesn't work after I go beyond the number of ipv4 ips |
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| 03:31.19 | Stanlin1 | hello communist camerades |
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| 03:32.49 | ptr_ | I'm trying to get the fglrx driver working with a radeon hd 3200. Unfortunately, I can't get it out of 'clone' mode. I've set DesktopSetup to 0x00000201 (which is supposed to mean BigDesktop), but the setting is ignored. Anyone have any experience wrestling with this driver? |
| 03:33.51 | adb | !radeonhd |
| 03:33.51 | dpkg | somebody said radeonhd was the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets (http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' from Lenny. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. #radeonhd @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 03:34.55 | luckylucy | CutMeOwnThroat: on the webserver, it doesn't show either, shows tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN |
| 03:35.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | tcp6? |
| 03:35.36 | luckylucy | yeah? |
| 03:35.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ew |
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| 03:35.46 | luckylucy | gross? |
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| 03:36.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems the time when I'll be confronted with that nears |
| 03:36.11 | Csow | hello |
| 03:36.13 | flaccid | thats normal |
| 03:36.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | spreading |
| 03:37.05 | luckylucy | i think that debian did that on it's own, with the network setup, but not the problem right? |
| 03:37.10 | ptr_ | adb: tried it, only it causes a kernel panic when X starts |
| 03:37.23 | ptr_ | which is why I'm trying to use fglrx |
| 03:37.35 | adb | !fglrx |
| 03:37.35 | dpkg | it has been said that fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the r600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:37.42 | Tramp | luckylucy: what do you mean "can't telnet to 80" what happens if you try it? |
| 03:37.48 | ptr_ | is adb a bot? |
| 03:37.55 | luckylucy | connectio failed. |
| 03:38.00 | Csow | i cant seem to find libpam-pgsql.so after installing libpam-pgsql |
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| 03:39.08 | luckylucy | telnet 22 works, but shows protocol mismatch, which is good! |
| 03:39.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | protocol mismatch is good? |
| 03:40.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Csow -about apt-file |
| 03:40.24 | Tramp | well, ssh doesn't speak telnet |
| 03:40.33 | luckylucy | exactly |
| 03:40.46 | Tramp | luckylucy: hmm. and you're sure that your provider allows incoming port 80 at all? |
| 03:40.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesn't have an ssh version either, though |
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| 03:41.21 | k-man | how do i get the web interface to mailman to work in debian? |
| 03:41.22 | luckylucy | i don't know for sure, but port scans show an open port. |
| 03:41.22 | Stanlin1 | HALP!! |
| 03:41.23 | k-man | any idea? |
| 03:41.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Csow, uh, dpkg -L libpam-pgsql probably is enough |
| 03:41.34 | Stanlin1 | how to get the list of OpenVPN conections and the ips?? |
| 03:41.59 | Csow | just install apt-file |
| 03:42.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | k-man, stick and carrot? |
| 03:42.53 | Tramp | luckylucy: huh? scan shows port open and telnet gives "connectin refused" |
| 03:42.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Csow, there's only 5 files in libpam-pgsql and it's the correct package... do dpkg -L is enough in this case :) |
| 03:43.15 | Csow | it is under /lib/security/pam_pgsql.so |
| 03:43.19 | luckylucy | Tramp: yes, i know wtf? |
| 03:43.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !win Csow |
| 03:43.21 | dpkg | Congratulations, Csow! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 03:43.26 | Stanlin1 | Help !! how to get the list of OpenVPN conections and the ips?? |
| 03:43.28 | Csow | thanks though |
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| 03:43.53 | Tramp | luckylucy: what are you testing with (which OS, which scanner) |
| 03:44.37 | luckylucy | using GRP | ShieldsUp tester from my laptop, windows xp, with firefox |
| 03:45.01 | Tramp | luckylucy: uh. no idea how to interpret theses results. i don't do Win*. |
| 03:45.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !win Tramp |
| 03:45.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, Tramp! You have won the US presidency! |
| 03:45.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 03:45.28 | Tramp | I'm not american though. |
| 03:45.47 | luckylucy | I can do it from linux, shows same answer, it is not a windows thing. |
| 03:45.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... !americanize Tramp? |
| 03:45.56 | Tramp | NO please not |
| 03:46.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 03:46.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | adds 50 pounds to Tramps weight |
| 03:46.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | luckylucy, is that portscan from somewhere else than the telnet that gets connection refused? |
| 03:47.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | it can't be open AND closed |
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| 03:48.41 | luckylucy | CutMeOwn: i am going to try to answer a ?? i don't fully understand here. I am running a remote portscan, https://www.grc.com. I am telnetting from within the network to the external ip of my modem. |
| 03:49.22 | luckylucy | the extern portscan shows ports 22 and 80 open, telnet connects to 22, as does putty, but to 80 i get nothing |
| 03:49.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... well, that could fail |
| 03:49.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 03:49.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | try a traceroute on your external ip, that should be fun |
| 03:51.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, although that worked for me when I was behind a NAT |
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| 03:51.26 | maximi89 | hi guys |
| 03:51.35 | Stanlin1 | CutMeOwnThroat: help, how to get the VPN conections list ? |
| 03:51.35 | maximi89 | struen are you there? |
| 03:51.54 | creature_ | how do you put users in groups? |
| 03:51.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm... although they did canny stuff with DNS, sending you to the internal IP when you were inside and to the outside one from outside |
| 03:51.55 | maximi89 | hey cutmeown, i'm on my system right now! |
| 03:52.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stanlin1, how should I know? |
| 03:52.34 | maximi89 | was a problem with udev i think, or the images of grub... |
| 03:52.37 | luckylucy | CutMeOwnThroat: good to external IP before modem, then all *** |
| 03:52.38 | luckylucy | *** |
| 03:52.47 | Stanlin1 | CutMeOwnThroat: you are guru |
| 03:52.50 | luckylucy | for 30 hops max |
| 03:52.55 | Tramp | creature_: man usermod |
| 03:52.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stanlin1, I am? Nobody told me! |
| 03:53.10 | Stanlin1 | CutMeOwnThroat: tell me plz... |
| 03:54.00 | Tramp | luckylucy: telnetting to the external IP from inside usually does not work. This is called "hairpin NAT" and usually not supported by any devices |
| 03:54.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | maximi89, so you mounted it from the cd? |
| 03:54.02 | Stanlin1 | how to get the conections list on the server? |
| 03:54.06 | creature_ | i tried useradd -G but it doesn't work |
| 03:54.15 | creature_ | when i do groups i don't see myself in the group |
| 03:54.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stanlin1, netstat -an ... but vpns... dunno |
| 03:54.26 | luckylucy | Tramp: is there a way to telnet through a proxy? |
| 03:54.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | creature_, have to re-login |
| 03:54.39 | creature_ | how? |
| 03:54.42 | creature_ | reboot? |
| 03:54.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | log out... log in again? |
| 03:54.52 | creature_ | log out of what? |
| 03:54.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | creature_, groups <yourname> should show it, though |
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| 03:55.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | out of your account? |
| 03:55.09 | maximi89 | CutMeOwnThroat: no, the busybox help me |
| 03:55.16 | maximi89 | i disconnect two hardisk |
| 03:55.17 | Tramp | luckylucy: what should "telnet through a proxy" do? |
| 03:55.38 | maximi89 | and the system hdd appear there and boot... with some problems but boot |
| 03:55.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, wouldn't the packet go to the 1st router outside who'd send it back to the nat router? |
| 03:55.46 | creature_ | CutMeOwnThroat: yea but groups doesn't show it |
| 03:55.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | creature_, groups != groups user |
| 03:56.08 | maximi89 | now im updating and making the initramfs and grub-mkconfig |
| 03:56.24 | creature_ | yea well wtf? |
| 03:56.32 | luckylucy | Tramp: make it look like the telnet is coming from somewhere else? I don't know.. I am at this point baffled. |
| 03:56.32 | creature_ | applications go by groups |
| 03:56.36 | creature_ | how do i update groups |
| 03:56.52 | luckylucy | it works on 22. so it should work right? |
| 03:57.12 | maximi89 | Who know why Debian have 3 names for unstable? XD Sid, Squeeze and Unstable? |
| 03:57.17 | maximi89 | why Sid?... |
| 03:57.27 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: well, you would have to send a proxy-request to the proxy. Unless we're talking about a generic tcp proxy. However, a proxy would open another connection, not send packets on. |
| 03:57.31 | creature_ | how do you update in which groups you are? |
| 03:58.10 | Tramp | luckylucy: yes. But then you have to send proxy-requests to the proxy, see above |
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| 03:59.16 | Tramp | luckylucy: are you really sure you connect to the correct sshd? not the one on the shorewall (or even on the moden, though I doubt it has one) |
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| 03:59.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | creature_, probably like ctrl-alt-backspace? |
| 03:59.46 | creature_ | fuck that |
| 03:59.53 | creature_ | im not restarting my X for this shit |
| 04:00.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | creature_, well, then reboot if you like that better |
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| 04:00.25 | creature_ | how do you update groups without restarting |
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| 04:00.55 | flaccid | can anyone give me a hand changing rsylog so my mail.* only goes to /var/log/mail.* and not /var/log/syslog ? |
| 04:00.59 | Tramp | creature_: man newgrp |
| 04:01.02 | luckylucy | i can ssh to the shorewall computer to make sure i have an open port. it sounds like you are asking me to make sure i am not doing that? i am telnet the same, 22 is open, 80 is not, portscan shows both open. |
| 04:01.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, no, I mean in the regular case connection from inside a NAT to outside IP... where does it get stuck? |
| 04:01.15 | maximi89 | CutMeOwnThroat: Squeeze it's the new stable version true? |
| 04:01.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | maximi89, lenny is |
| 04:01.42 | maximi89 | CutMeOwnThroat:so Squeeze are unstable? |
| 04:01.46 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: it usually gets picked up by the NATing device (thus you'd land on the httpd/sshd/whateverd of this device) |
| 04:01.47 | \amethyst | maximi89: squeeze is testing; will be the next stable version, when it is released |
| 04:01.48 | luckylucy | tracerout from a website service fails after 9 or so hops, from inside, it fails on exit. |
| 04:01.57 | luckylucy | from local networks |
| 04:01.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | maximi89, testing... unstable == sid forever |
| 04:02.13 | creature_ | it asks for a password |
| 04:02.16 | maximi89 | CutMeOwnThroat: nice thanks! |
| 04:02.20 | creature_ | groups don't have passwords |
| 04:02.39 | maximi89 | why two names for unstable versions? |
| 04:02.43 | luckylucy | me thinks it is a shorewall setting problem |
| 04:02.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, you mean it never leaves the nat router... but the nat router also doesn't nat it because it's not from the outside... |
| 04:02.48 | maximi89 | CutMeOwnThroat: why 2 names for unstable? |
| 04:03.01 | Tramp | luckylucy: what I say is, that with "telnet <external IP> 22" you may not be reaching the port 22 you think you do |
| 04:03.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | maximi89, unstable == sid - and it will always be sid |
| 04:03.10 | creature_ | what is the password for group fuse? |
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| 04:03.16 | creature_ | default password |
| 04:03.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | maximi89, /msg dpkg sid |
| 04:03.33 | maximi89 | thanks |
| 04:03.49 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: exactly. It doesn't DNAT stuff arriving on the internal IF, but picks it up because it has an IP that he owns (on the external IF though) |
| 04:04.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 04:04.14 | creature_ | whats the default password for groups fuse? |
| 04:04.15 | luckylucy | shows this: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5, what are the chances it is a different persons lenny box? |
| 04:04.19 | micols | http://pastebin.com/m10753c28 i lost my iptables script so im writing a new one, can anyone see why i cannot ping the outside world here (my nameserver is ok, it allows the client, the client finds out the ip whn trying to ping,it just doesnt get any response back) ? |
| 04:04.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, and I thought it might be the first case where technimagic works :) |
| 04:04.31 | \amethyst | maximi89: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives |
| 04:04.34 | micols | its a 4 line masquerading script... it should be simple i just cant find the error |
| 04:04.46 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: additionally, if he would DNAT, he would also have to SNAT these packets (actually that is, what you have to implement yourself when you implement hairpin-NAT with iptables) |
| 04:05.08 | micols | i just want one client to ping the outside from behind NAT, i thought this should work |
| 04:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, technimagic == does what people want//think makes sense, not what was practical to program |
| 04:05.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | DNAT? SNAT? |
| 04:05.39 | micols | CutMeOwnThroat: Snat i think, since the client is behind nat |
| 04:05.41 | luckylucy | Tramp: that is along the lines that i think is the problem, i just can't seem to figure out the settings. |
| 04:05.42 | maximi89 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:05.53 | micols | CutMeOwnThroat: i have the server acting as 'gateway' |
| 04:05.56 | creature_ | seriosly what the fuck is the password? |
| 04:06.05 | creature_ | newgrp - fuse |
| 04:06.08 | creature_ | it asks for a password |
| 04:06.11 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: because if he would not SNAT, the system would not send the response-packet back to the router but directly to the client, where they would not be recognized (because they have the wrong, source IP, i.e. the real IP of the system) |
| 04:06.51 | Jester465 | creature_, the root passwd maybe? |
| 04:07.04 | micols | Tramp: so whats is wrong? |
| 04:07.06 | creature_ | no its not |
| 04:07.15 | creature_ | i tried my user password and root password |
| 04:07.17 | creature_ | its neither |
| 04:07.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | now he made you reveal your root password |
| 04:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | tsk tsk tsk |
| 04:07.32 | micols | i only see "ping google.com (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) i.e. my nameserver is correctly set up to let the client look up ips" |
| 04:07.42 | creature_ | what password is it? |
| 04:07.50 | micols | just cannot think, im too tired :) |
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| 04:09.02 | Jester465 | micols, your trying to ping though a NAt but cant yet you can resolve names? maybe its because ICMP is being blocked/not routed |
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| 04:10.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | creature_, it's passwordless for people in the group |
| 04:11.10 | micols | Jester465: thats what im pretty sure about as well :) |
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| 04:11.52 | Jester465 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.59 | wooj | Does anyone know how I can make my display on my eeepc be an extended display instead of a clone of my LCD? |
| 04:12.00 | micols | not at all, its a diskless client |
| 04:12.20 | betz | where are the root cron's stored? i can see them with crontab -e , but where is that file stored so i can edit it |
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| 04:12.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | betz, crontab -e *does* edit it |
| 04:13.01 | betz | i dunno how to save :s |
| 04:13.05 | micols | iptables âÂÂt nat âÂÂA POSTROUTING âÂÂs 192.168.1.0/24 âÂÂj SNAT âÂÂ-to 81.161.188.225 just tried this one without luck, wonder what goes wrong, that should work as a oneliner. |
| 04:13.12 | creature_ | CutMeOwnThroat: i am in the group |
| 04:13.17 | v3breaker | neeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwbbbbbbbbb |
| 04:13.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | betz, ":wq"? |
| 04:13.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ctrl-x? |
| 04:13.41 | v3breaker | yep |
| 04:13.41 | Jester465 | v3breaker, be nice |
| 04:13.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | now that MIGHT depend on the editor, no? |
| 04:13.57 | betz | CutMeOwnThroat: ctrl-x does nothing |
| 04:14.01 | v3breaker | ctrl-x for pico i think |
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| 04:14.19 | Jester465 | betz, do you know what editor your using? |
| 04:14.28 | v3breaker | hope its not vi haha |
| 04:14.47 | teraflops | Default editor is probably vi unless he's changed $EDITOR |
| 04:14.50 | betz | no, just did crontab -e and i go to a editor i dont know |
| 04:15.03 | betz | how to save with vi? |
| 04:15.09 | teraflops | :wq |
| 04:15.19 | teraflops | which saves and quits |
| 04:15.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said that! |
| 04:15.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps more ESC :wq |
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| 04:16.00 | teraflops | true |
| 04:16.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | to be on the safe side :) |
| 04:16.06 | betz | ? dont get it, do i have to press :wq at the same time? |
| 04:16.07 | Jester465 | good job teraflops at least someone here can use vi |
| 04:16.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | betz, serial! |
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| 04:16.38 | teraflops | I can use it, but I don't like it. :P |
| 04:16.38 | Jester465 | betz, no you |
| 04:16.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflops, vim is nice... better syntax highlighting than (x)emacs |
| 04:17.07 | Jester465 | press esc then type :wq and press enter |
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| 04:17.22 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <jake_> [Tue May 12 2009] [23:23:46] |Part| You have left channel ##linux (requested by stew: "you should know better"). |
| 04:17.24 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <jake_> [23:54] --> You have joined the channel ##linux (n=jake@cpe-24-167-53-174.hot.res.rr.com). |
| 04:17.31 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <jake_> [23:54] *** The channel topic is "Welcome to ##Linux. | Channel website,rules http://www.linuxassist.net | Our pastebin http://paste.linuxassist.net | Need help? Check http://tinyurl.com/2otwa8 | Spammers or trolls? use !ops <troll's nick> <reason> | Please be nice! Catalyse, be reasonable, accomodate. You can solve your own problems. :) | tor users: Kindly ask an op for a voice in order to |
| 04:17.38 | jake_ | chat in channel.". |
| 04:17.38 | Jester465 | lol vi VS emacs war |
| 04:17.44 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <jake_> [23:54] *** The topic was set by lacroix on 01/19/2009 03:34:50 PM. |
| 04:17.47 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <jake_> [23:54] *** Channel modes: topic protection, no messages from outside, no colors allowed, P, f |
| 04:17.50 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <jake_> [23:54] *** This channel was created on 02/09/2001 06:16:24 PM. |
| 04:17.53 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <leeguy92> they are pretty good in the shiny department |
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| 04:17.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 04:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | no need for ops |
| 04:18.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | stupidity sees you through :) |
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| 04:18.18 | Jester465 | ,,,, |
| 04:18.27 | Jester465 | wb jake_ |
| 04:19.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !start an editor war |
| 04:19.10 | dpkg | nano bites |
| 04:19.18 | creature_ | you probably need to restart after installing virtualbox-ose ? |
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| 04:19.41 | Jester465 | pico>nano |
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| 04:19.45 | teraflops | I originally learned on vim. I just never ever liked the idea of being in the wrong mode to enter text. Typing should always put text on the screen. |
| 04:19.48 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <jake_> [23:54] *** The channel topic is "Welcome to ##Linux. | Channel website,rules http://www.linuxassist.net | Our pastebin http://paste.linuxassist.net | Need help? Check http://tinyurl.com/2otwa8 | Spammers or trolls? use !ops <troll's nick> <reason> | Please be nice! Catalyse, be reasonable, accomodate. You can solve your own problems. :) | tor users: Kindly ask an op for a voice in order to |
| 04:19.48 | Jester465 | jake_, stop |
| 04:19.53 | jake_ | chat in channel.". |
| 04:19.55 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <jake_> [23:54] *** The topic was set by lacroix on 01/19/2009 03:34:50 PM. |
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| 04:20.01 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <jake_> [23:54] *** This channel was created on 02/09/2001 06:16:24 PM. |
| 04:20.04 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <leeguy92> they are pretty good in the shiny department |
| 04:20.06 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
| 04:20.09 | Jester465 | !ops |
| 04:20.09 | dpkg | hmm... ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 04:20.10 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
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| 04:20.15 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
| 04:20.17 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
| 04:20.19 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
| 04:20.20 | flaccid | hooray |
| 04:20.22 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
| 04:20.42 | Jester465 | !ops jake_ has repeated flooded the channel with chat log |
| 04:20.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jester465 complains about: jake_ has repeated flooded the channel with chat log |
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| 04:20.53 | dkr | surprised auto-kick didn't work |
| 04:20.59 | Piet | gah |
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| 04:21.41 | Jester465 | repeatedly |
| 04:21.43 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <jake_> [23:54] *** The channel topic is "Welcome to ##Linux. | Channel website,rules http://www.linuxassist.net | Our pastebin http://paste.linuxassist.net | Need help? Check http://tinyurl.com/2otwa8 | Spammers or trolls? use !ops <troll's nick> <reason> | Please be nice! Catalyse, be reasonable, accomodate. You can solve your own problems. :) | tor users: Kindly ask an op for a voice in order to |
| 04:21.47 | jake_ | chat in channel.". |
| 04:21.52 | Jester465 | omg |
| 04:21.53 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <jake_> [23:54] *** The topic was set by lacroix on 01/19/2009 03:34:50 PM. |
| 04:21.58 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <jake_> [23:54] *** Channel modes: topic protection, no messages from outside, no colors allowed, P, f |
| 04:22.03 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <jake_> [23:54] *** This channel was created on 02/09/2001 06:16:24 PM. |
| 04:22.06 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <leeguy92> they are pretty good in the shiny department |
| 04:22.08 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
| 04:22.10 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
| 04:22.12 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
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| 04:22.17 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
| 04:22.19 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
| 04:22.21 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
| 04:22.30 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
| 04:22.32 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
| 04:22.35 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
| 04:22.41 | creature_ | hey we should all flood! |
| 04:22.52 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
| 04:22.53 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [Tue May 12 2009] [23:23:45] <jake_> [22:57] <jake_> [22:56] *** The channel topic is "Welcome to ##Linux. | Channel website,rules http://www.linuxassist.net | Our pastebin http://paste.linuxassist.net | Need help? Check http://tinyurl.com/2otwa8 | Spammers or trolls? use !ops <troll's nick> <reason> | Please be nice! Catalyse, be reasonable, accomodate. You can solve your own problems. :) | |
| 04:22.55 | Jester465 | yea since you dont get kicked for it |
| 04:22.56 | jake_ | tor users: Kindly |
| 04:23.02 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> ask an op for a |
| 04:23.06 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> voice in order |
| 04:23.08 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> to chat in channel.". |
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| 04:23.10 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [Tue May 12 2009] [23:23:45] <jake_> [22:57] <jake_> [22:56] *** The topic was set by lacroix on 01/19/2009 03:34:50 PM. |
| 04:23.13 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [Tue May 12 2009] [23:23:45] <jake_> [22:57] <jake_> [22:56] [Notice] -ChanServ- [##linux] You've reached ##linux, Freenode's general Linux discussion channel. Check our website at www.linuxassist.net, enjoy your stay! |
| 04:23.13 | creature_ | yea dude lets go fucking nuts |
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| 04:24.12 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <jake_> [23:54] *** The channel topic is "Welcome to ##Linux. | Channel website,rules http://www.linuxassist.net | Our pastebin http://paste.linuxassist.net | Need help? Check http://tinyurl.com/2otwa8 | Spammers or trolls? use !ops <troll's nick> <reason> | Please be nice! Catalyse, be reasonable, accomodate. You can solve your own problems. :) | tor users: Kindly ask an op for a voice in order to cha |
| 04:24.19 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <jake_> [23:54] *** The topic was set by lacroix on 01/19/2009 03:34:50 PM. |
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| 04:24.27 | ponky | Oh the retard |
| 04:24.33 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] <leeguy92> they are pretty good in the shiny department |
| 04:24.35 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:54] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
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| 04:24.45 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
| 04:24.45 | charitwo | !ops jake_ |
| 04:24.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: charitwo complains about: jake_ |
| 04:24.47 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] [404] ##linux Cannot send to channel |
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| 04:25.02 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [23:55] <jake_> [Tue May 12 2009] [23:23:45] <jake_> [22:57] <jake_> [22:56] *** The channel topic is "Welcome to ##Linux. | Channel website,rules http://www.linuxassist.net | Our pastebin http://paste.linuxassist.net | Need help? Check http://tinyurl.com/2otwa8 | Spammers or trolls? use !ops <troll's nick> <reason> | Please be nice! Catalyse, be reasonable, accomodate. You can solve your own problems. :) | to |
| 04:25.07 | jake_ | [23:56] <jake_> ask an op for a |
| 04:25.10 | streuner__ | just use ignore |
| 04:25.25 | streuner__ | in the meantime |
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| 04:25.35 | Jester465 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:26.27 | martman | does apt always save the packages it downloads(like updates and new software)? |
| 04:26.30 | martman | or can i make it? |
| 04:26.40 | streuner__ | sure |
| 04:27.00 | rmayorga | martman: look up /var/cache/apt/archive/ |
| 04:27.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | we need more ops :) |
| 04:27.26 | martman | thanks |
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| 04:27.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | martman, that was the server |
| 04:27.39 | luckylucy | is it ok that shorewall show zones shows the correct interfaces, but 0's for ip? trying to troubleshoot here |
| 04:27.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, context mixup |
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| 04:28.06 | Piet | we need less insane users |
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| 04:28.47 | maxagaz | how to cat /varlog/syslog with append option ? |
| 04:28.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !you're insane |
| 04:28.53 | dpkg | HAHAHAAHAHHAA, INSANE... THEY SAID I AM INSANE HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 BUT I WILL SHOW THEM!!!!!11 |
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| 04:30.44 | playya | maxagaz, you want to cat 2 files and want to con_cat_ernate them to one file? |
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| 04:31.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps maxagaz means tail -f /varlog/syslog |
| 04:31.53 | playya | or cat file1 file2 > new_file |
| 04:32.35 | maxagaz | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks |
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| 04:33.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | playya, can I make wild guesses or what? |
| 04:33.33 | playya | yes you can :P |
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| 04:35.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | playya, sometimes I impress myself :-P |
| 04:35.43 | playya | ever tried to win the lottery? |
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| 04:36.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | playya, no... I figured, if I have that kind of luck I don't need to *buy* a lottery ticket, I can find it on the street |
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| 04:37.41 | insta1 | hey guys, are there any install ISOs that by default will use /dev/ttyS0 as a console? i'd like to install to a headless machine |
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| 04:38.35 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: wonder, how many people who won actually /did/ find their ticket on the street ... |
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| 04:40.41 | kmag | I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:40.57 | kmag | and it seems to have switched my networking to inet6-only |
| 04:41.11 | kmag | ... and my poor router is inet4 |
| 04:41.23 | kmag | ... so no networking for my debian box |
| 04:41.38 | kmag | anyone else have similar experiences? |
| 04:42.21 | teraflops | insta1, I don't know of any, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. You may be able to make one by pulling apart an ISO and editing /etc/inittab to allow console logins. |
| 04:42.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, http://www.snopes.com/luck/lottery.asp http://www.snopes.com/luck/pocketed.asp |
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| 04:42.57 | teraflops | insta1, I would think about installing a graphics card long enough to do the install, configuring for headless, and then removing the card. |
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| 04:43.15 | spencer | hi \debian |
| 04:43.27 | insta1 | teraflops: that's a neat idea, only problem is the machine doesn't have a port to install a graphics card to |
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| 04:43.30 | insta1 | it's ... a long story |
| 04:43.41 | spencer | i can't get these blasted ATi drivers to work, i've googled 3 routes and none have worked |
| 04:43.45 | spencer | can anyone assist? |
| 04:44.34 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, nice. I just despise Cage |
| 04:45.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | !noipv6 |
| 04:45.37 | dpkg | hmm... noipv6 is echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 04:45.39 | teraflops | insta1, I had to deal with a Sun RaQ server once that had no video card and no room for one once... |
| 04:45.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | kmag, ^^^ |
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| 04:46.30 | insta1 | teraflops: and it's kinda annoying, is'nt it? :( |
| 04:46.32 | teraflops | In that case I went to the other extreme which was to pull the hard drive and do a generic base install there and then put the drive back in the server. |
| 04:46.39 | kmag | dpkg: will that allow ipv4? |
| 04:46.40 | dpkg | kmag: i don't know |
| 04:46.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !rube goldberg install |
| 04:46.48 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 04:47.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | kmag, nice chat with the bot :) |
| 04:47.01 | insta1 | go on, dpkg :( |
| 04:47.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I don't know either) |
| 04:47.32 | insta1 | despite the snarky bot, i DO have a bootable USB key, and a working serial null modem |
| 04:47.53 | kmag | Thanks Cut |
| 04:47.59 | insta1 | i could get a video card, but that involves soldering ... |
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| 04:48.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | insta1, easypeasypie, then :-P |
| 04:48.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | insta1, got an external hd? |
| 04:49.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | insta1, install on that or a different computer, then move the HD |
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| 04:49.52 | teraflops | right |
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| 04:50.13 | insta1 | bah |
| 04:50.20 | teraflops | Even if you don't have an external HDD... |
| 04:50.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflops, oops :) |
| 04:50.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | slow, slow, slow |
| 04:50.33 | insta1 | obviously the far easier way that lets me continue to be lazy is for someone to have /dev/ttyS0 installed |
| 04:50.36 | insta1 | er, working* |
| 04:50.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wouldn't even know how to do that on a running system, to be true |
| 04:51.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | serial console is so... last century |
| 04:51.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... not that it ain't kinda nice |
| 04:51.29 | teraflops | You could yank the internal disk, do a base install on another machine, config inittab, and move the drive back. |
| 04:51.33 | betz | Could someone say me why this cron doesn't run from /etc/crontab ? * * * * * root '/usr/bin/php -q /etc/squid3/test.php' |
| 04:52.31 | kmag | hmm... odd things afoot. |
| 04:52.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | no command root? |
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| 04:52.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | no command "root"? |
| 04:52.43 | pallu | hello all of you |
| 04:52.54 | pallu | what is the best DVD PLAyer program? |
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| 04:53.18 | teraflops | pallu, I like videolan a.k.a VLC. |
| 04:53.22 | betz | CutMeOwnThroat: in /etc/crontab i have to set the user also, no? |
| 04:53.32 | streuner__ | Do we have NOT a factoid about "start a DVD player war" yet? |
| 04:53.34 | streuner__ | ;-) |
| 04:53.39 | teraflops | lol |
| 04:53.45 | streuner__ | likes xine |
| 04:53.51 | kmag | So after the dist-upgrade, I lost network connectivity right away. I restarted and the networking applet or whatever you call it in the upper-left corner of the screen (Gnome) still indicates no connectivity. |
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| 04:53.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | betz, no, you run it as the user... man crontab? |
| 04:54.06 | kmag | However, I do seem to have ipv4 connectivity |
| 04:54.11 | epsilon | betz: you dont need '' |
| 04:54.27 | kmag | I guess my apps are just preferring ipv6? |
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| 04:55.23 | epsilon | streuner___: I prefer filesystem flamewar |
| 04:55.23 | kmag | so the system doesn't provide its own internal ipv6 -> ipv4 bridge? |
| 04:55.24 | leeguy92 | have you people been having a problem with a guy called jake? |
| 04:55.35 | streuner__ | no, why? |
| 04:55.47 | leeguy92 | streuner__: it appears to be a bot |
| 04:55.54 | leeguy92 | which spams like crazy |
| 04:56.05 | streuner__ | really? You should report that to #freenode then :-) |
| 04:56.06 | leeguy92 | it has been having it's way with ##linux and #hackday |
| 04:56.10 | leeguy92 | streuner__: yup, did |
| 04:56.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | leeguy92, jake_ |
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| 04:56.36 | leeguy92 | jake_ is the same guy i thinky |
| 04:56.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | prolly |
| 04:57.15 | kmag | I would have hoped that a DNS lookup on the ipv6 interface would have returned an ipv6 address in the ipv4 legacy range |
| 04:57.22 | kmag | but I guess not. |
| 04:57.59 | kmag | Is this a bug? |
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| 05:02.03 | ajavid | hi |
| 05:02.17 | ajavid | after an update apache tells me that it can't find a thingy |
| 05:02.33 | ajavid | Restarting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 192.168.1.150 for ServerName |
| 05:02.59 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.08 | ajavid | I have this in my virtualhost |
| 05:03.15 | ajavid | whats going on? |
| 05:03.25 | teraflops | ajavid, Check /etc/hosts |
| 05:03.42 | teraflops | You may need to add a line for your server name. |
| 05:03.49 | ajavid | 127.0.0.1 localhost ajavid-desktop localhost.localdomain zf1.podzone.org ws1.podzone.org |
| 05:04.02 | ajavid | same syntax |
| 05:04.06 | ajavid | ServerName blah.com |
| 05:04.07 | ajavid | ? |
| 05:04.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflops, no you dont... at least I don't have one for my apache1 virtualhosts |
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| 05:05.33 | teraflops | Hmm. I'm not sure, but I feel like I've had that problem before and it was an issue with the system not knowing its fully-qualified hostname. |
| 05:05.54 | teraflops | What do you get if you just run the command hostname ? |
| 05:06.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, start apache manually, there's also an option for syntax check... make sure it's reading the correct conffile, check /var/log/apache( |
| 05:06.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/(/*/ |
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| 05:06.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | the obvious things :) |
| 05:06.21 | ajavid | ajavid-desktop |
| 05:06.22 | ajavid | yeh |
| 05:08.59 | ajavid | god this is retardedly stupid |
| 05:09.11 | ajavid | edit /etc/apache2/apach2.conf and add ServerName localhost |
| 05:09.18 | ajavid | warning goes away on apache restart |
| 05:09.22 | ajavid | vhosts work as expected |
| 05:09.43 | ajavid | Apache/2.2.11 (Debian) PHP/5.2.9-2 with Suhosin-Patch Server at ws1.podzone.org Port 8181 |
| 05:10.49 | ajavid | and I blanked out the sites-available/default so that no one can get to anywhere except for whree I set vhost |
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| 05:10.52 | ajavid | apache2 is a lot diff |
| 05:11.00 | ajavid | I am used to running apache 1.3 heh |
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| 05:11.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still use apache 1 |
| 05:11.31 | streuner__ | potato? |
| 05:11.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't need none of that fancy new stuff not |
| 05:11.36 | ajavid | sarge |
| 05:11.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner__, thanks |
| 05:11.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | puts some salt on his potato and eats it |
| 05:12.01 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, uhm. |
| 05:12.10 | ajavid | he meant debian releae |
| 05:12.17 | ajavid | 2.0 i spotato? |
| 05:12.21 | ajavid | i forgot man |
| 05:12.25 | ajavid | !release history |
| 05:12.25 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 05:12.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, no, really?! |
| 05:12.33 | epsilon | is apache1 still maintained in debian? |
| 05:12.33 | ajavid | 2.2 |
| 05:12.40 | ajavid | epsilon, no |
| 05:12.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions apache |
| 05:12.54 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: apache -- etch: 1.3.34-4.1+etch1 |
| 05:12.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh! |
| 05:13.08 | teraflops | What happens when they run out of Toy Story characters? |
| 05:13.21 | ajavid | they will find something else |
| 05:13.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflops, a new century? |
| 05:13.26 | ajavid | there are 3 toy story movies |
| 05:13.35 | ajavid | and loads of chars |
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| 05:13.52 | ajavid | and at the speed debian moves, we'll be using those 3 movies for another 100+ years AT LEAST |
| 05:14.01 | teraflops | haha |
| 05:14.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, I should have phrased that differently |
| 05:14.15 | streuner__ | teraflops: that will be the end of Debian :-P |
| 05:14.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | what happens -> everyone will cheer and say "happy new year 2100" |
| 05:14.22 | ajavid | ey! |
| 05:14.28 | ajavid | don't speak such blasphemy |
| 05:14.41 | epsilon | I wish a long-time-support version of debian -_- |
| 05:14.51 | ajavid | we're not ubuntu |
| 05:15.01 | teraflops | Either that or we'll need more Toy Story sequels. |
| 05:15.08 | ajavid | debian stable is always stable and supported |
| 05:15.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | epsilon, like... 100 years? |
| 05:15.19 | epsilon | I want debian, but also a system for server I can run 5+years without caring about big upgrades |
| 05:15.20 | ajavid | dude, just look athow many distros are based on debian |
| 05:15.23 | streuner__ | teratoma: there are enough movies ;-) |
| 05:15.24 | qiyong | vsftpd, timestamp added to the filename, why? |
| 05:15.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | epsilon, so what in that doesn't debian allow you? |
| 05:15.45 | ajavid | you suck |
| 05:15.50 | streuner__ | teratoma: the base idea is the same.... |
| 05:16.01 | streuner__ | terfaflops: ^^^ |
| 05:16.04 | ajavid | teraflops, you seem like you're doing only mhz right now |
| 05:16.09 | ajavid | change your nickname |
| 05:16.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | epsilon, if you install lenny now, you have ~2-3 years stable, ~2-3 years oldstable and ~2-3 years you don't care about the machine anymore |
| 05:16.33 | epsilon | CutMeOwnThroat: for example I have etch servers running. I know the support will end next year, but still no plan to pgrade&test&debug all boxes |
| 05:16.40 | ajavid | what? |
| 05:16.44 | ajavid | 18 months oldstable tops |
| 05:16.48 | ajavid | (official support) |
| 05:16.57 | epsilon | isnt it 1 year? |
| 05:17.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | until there is a new stable... |
| 05:17.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | oldstable moves when squeeze becomes stable |
| 05:17.25 | ajavid | it has nothin to do with squeeze |
| 05:17.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | !etch |
| 05:17.25 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support will continue until about February 2010; now is the time to start planning your upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Also ask me about <oldstable>, <oldstable security>, <install etch>, <etch release notes>. Currently <4.0r8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch |
| 05:17.28 | ajavid | or etch |
| 05:17.36 | ajavid | names don't matter |
| 05:17.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well :) |
| 05:17.41 | ajavid | its stable, testing and unstable |
| 05:17.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems you're right with 1 year |
| 05:18.10 | ajavid | !oldstable |
| 05:18.10 | dpkg | hmm... oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Etch (4.0) is now oldstable. Ask me about <oldstable security> and consider upgrading your boxes from oldstable to stable (ask me about <oldstable->stable>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
| 05:18.23 | epsilon | and 04.2007->02.2010 = less than 3 years |
| 05:18.38 | epsilon | that's damn short if you have many servers running |
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| 05:18.49 | ajavid | then don't use debian |
| 05:18.53 | ajavid | install ubuntu lts |
| 05:19.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's based on debian unstable |
| 05:19.07 | ajavid | no |
| 05:19.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 05:19.12 | ajavid | but he wants the 5 years LTS |
| 05:19.26 | ajavid | no = not to based on |
| 05:19.28 | ajavid | but what he wants |
| 05:19.36 | ajavid | its based on unstable, and its crap but that dosn't matter |
| 05:19.43 | ajavid | it comes with a 5 year LTS sticker |
| 05:19.46 | ajavid | its good enough. |
| 05:19.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 05:20.01 | rebel_kid | when sshing from localhost to localhost the connection is successful, from another machine the connection hangs then returns "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" |
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| 05:20.17 | ajavid | rebel_kid, google the error message |
| 05:20.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | rebel_kid, cloned the machine? |
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| 05:20.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | although that never happened to me |
| 05:20.41 | rebel_kid | CutMeOwnThroat, no, clean minimal install and ssh |
| 05:21.01 | maximi89 | CutMeOwnThroat: hey!, i'm using unstable, i think i found an error |
| 05:21.08 | rebel_kid | i've never had a problem with the stock config file |
| 05:21.10 | epsilon | you are making jokes, but use linux in business environment and your superiors want long time support - you won't laugh anymore while choosing between unstable ubuntu and debian |
| 05:21.25 | maximi89 | some body have the computer with more than 1 hard disk? |
| 05:21.35 | maximi89 | and use unstable |
| 05:21.57 | streuner__ | why |
| 05:22.10 | \amethyst | maximi89: probably all kinds of people |
| 05:22.11 | streuner__ | !ask |
| 05:22.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 05:22.12 | maximi89 | CutMeOwnThroat: i have 3 hdd, and only one detect partitions with udev 0.141 |
| 05:22.33 | maximi89 | i disconnect 2 hard disk and system works |
| 05:23.11 | maximi89 | i going try with udev 0.125 and connect the 3 hdd |
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| 05:23.21 | maximi89 | and try if the problem repeat... |
| 05:23.38 | epsilon | congratulations, you just found a bug |
| 05:24.14 | maximi89 | lol |
| 05:24.29 | maximi89 | i think its udev |
| 05:24.46 | maximi89 | because when im on busybox the udev detect all disk, but non-partitions |
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| 05:24.56 | \amethyst | maximi89: do the partitions show up in dmesg ? |
| 05:25.13 | maximi89 | yes |
| 05:25.16 | epsilon | and fdisk -l? |
| 05:25.41 | maximi89 | i just have only busybox when the problem appear |
| 05:25.49 | maximi89 | on the installed system of course |
| 05:26.09 | \amethyst | is this a debian kernel? |
| 05:26.13 | maximi89 | yes |
| 05:26.25 | maximi89 | Linux Maximiliano 2.6.29-2-486 #1 Sun May 3 11:38:02 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:26.31 | maximi89 | now i'm running the system |
| 05:26.44 | maximi89 | but i have disconnect 2 hdd to do this |
| 05:27.32 | epsilon | and it's not caused by screwed up drive labeling (hda, hdb, hdc etc)? |
| 05:27.40 | maximi89 | no |
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| 05:27.58 | maximi89 | the disk appear on /dev/sda but no partitions |
| 05:28.15 | maximi89 | when 3 are connected only 1 have parttions |
| 05:28.27 | maximi89 | the data hard disk |
| 05:28.32 | epsilon | sounds really like a bug :-o |
| 05:28.47 | maximi89 | yes, i going to reboot and test. |
| 05:29.02 | streuner__ | why not just re-create the FS brandnew? |
| 05:29.12 | streuner__ | (after that mess you did) |
| 05:29.28 | maximi89 | FS? |
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| 05:29.34 | streuner__ | filesystem |
| 05:29.37 | maximi89 | lol |
| 05:29.44 | maximi89 | i'm thinking to do it |
| 05:29.46 | epsilon | if older udev works, it's probably not FS problem |
| 05:29.48 | maximi89 | but for get ext4 |
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| 05:30.08 | epsilon | ext4 is still kinda beta |
| 05:30.08 | maximi89 | the filesystem of / are reiserfs |
| 05:30.09 | streuner__ | well, fdisk is not going to resize your FS |
| 05:30.19 | creature_ | how do you backup your main disk? |
| 05:30.22 | epsilon | if you have issues anyway, stay at ext3 or equivalent stable FS |
| 05:30.25 | streuner__ | oh, reiserFS, great :-) |
| 05:30.32 | maximi89 | ahahaha yeah |
| 05:30.39 | flaccid | reiser is a crim |
| 05:30.50 | maximi89 | creature_: i have space on another disk |
| 05:30.53 | streuner__ | !start a FS war |
| 05:30.53 | dpkg | reiserfs uses too much overhead! |
| 05:30.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 05:31.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | well done |
| 05:31.05 | creature_ | maximi89: what tool do you use to make the backup |
| 05:31.08 | flaccid | well he is a murderer go figure |
| 05:31.10 | maximi89 | creature_: data disk have a lot of space, i going to do that but with more time, today only test the bug |
| 05:31.12 | streuner__ | !literal start a FS war |
| 05:31.12 | dpkg | "start a fs war" is "<reply>((ufs|ffs|xfs|jfs|reiserfs|ext3|FAT|UDF|NTFS) (uses too much overhead!|is too slow!|will eat all your data!!)|Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency!)" |
| 05:31.14 | epsilon | tar, cp |
| 05:31.17 | maximi89 | creature_: yes c |
| 05:31.18 | streuner__ | random |
| 05:31.19 | maximi89 | creature_: cp |
| 05:31.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner__, that's why it was well done |
| 05:31.30 | streuner__ | ok |
| 05:31.31 | flaccid | well lets just get carried away then |
| 05:31.38 | creature_ | maximi89: you can just cp the running system? |
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| 05:31.44 | maximi89 | no |
| 05:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | you drew reiser out of the bin :) |
| 05:31.52 | maximi89 | creature_: i going to do with live cd |
| 05:31.59 | creature_ | wtf |
| 05:32.02 | piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.11 | maximi89 | life CD? |
| 05:32.19 | valdyn | piper69: sure |
| 05:32.23 | flaccid | piper69 sure |
| 05:32.28 | epsilon | .oO boot up your life |
| 05:32.35 | creature_ | can't you just: rsync -avz / /media/backup/ |
| 05:32.47 | maximi89 | lol |
| 05:32.57 | maximi89 | i have diff partitions |
| 05:32.58 | valdyn | creature_: NO |
| 05:33.04 | creature_ | valdyn: why not? |
| 05:33.06 | piper69 | valdyn: this is like news to me, away from wife bitching....i will do anything |
| 05:33.10 | epsilon | be caaaaaareful with rsync |
| 05:33.19 | piper69 | valdyn: how can i do it please ? |
| 05:33.24 | valdyn | creature_: because you do not backup device nodes or /proc or /sys contents |
| 05:33.31 | creature_ | oh |
| 05:33.42 | maximi89 | creature_: i have home boot and / on differetentsplaces and the running system can't be copy running i think |
| 05:34.12 | maximi89 | ok, here we go |
| 05:34.20 | maximi89 | exit |
| 05:34.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can copy a running system... it's not windows |
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| 05:34.39 | piper69 | flaccid: how can i do it please |
| 05:34.40 | valdyn | creature_: "rsync -avHz --exclude=/dev/ --exclude=/sys/ --exclude=/sys/" probably |
| 05:35.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't think of anything that'd go wrong... of course /var/log would lose some stuff |
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| 05:35.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you shouldn't apt-get things while doing it |
| 05:35.40 | flaccid | pipegeek learn tcp/ip |
| 05:35.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | pipegeek??? |
| 05:36.12 | valdyn | piper69: depends, it can be plug and play if avahi stuff is installed on both computers |
| 05:36.20 | epsilon | you still need to shutdown as many daemon as possible while running (rsync)backup |
| 05:36.23 | valdyn | piper69: and if those link-local addresses are routed properly |
| 05:36.47 | valdyn | piper69: traditionally you have to set up /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:36.57 | epsilon | and you still need to dump databases besides raw copy of FS |
| 05:37.32 | valdyn | piper69: and install ipmasq on the computer with wlan *after* the 2 are networked properly |
| 05:37.37 | piper69 | valdyn: i never did something like this before in linux , so any tips that i can atleast use for google |
| 05:37.52 | valdyn | piper69: man interfaces |
| 05:37.57 | epsilon | piper69: do you have experience with iptables/NAT? |
| 05:38.13 | valdyn | lets not get into doing nat manually when theres ipmasq |
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| 05:38.35 | epsilon | if you want to connect 2+ boxes on same internet connection, you'll need these |
| 05:38.35 | piper69 | epsilon: NAT yes, iptables no |
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| 05:39.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | piper69, mind, switches start around $20 also |
| 05:39.22 | epsilon | alternativly, buy an external WLAN-router doing all jobs for you |
| 05:39.36 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: but switches dont make this any easier |
| 05:39.44 | epsilon | then you dont need extra wire to garage |
| 05:40.00 | piper69 | epsilon: i live in apartments, and the garage is in the same building but far |
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| 05:40.57 | valdyn | piper69: connect both computer via cross over cable, then read dmesg, it will give you a message that they are connected physically |
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| 05:41.06 | epsilon | piper69: isnt then wlan easier than cable across the building? |
| 05:41.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, maybe... I just used switches so much more often than just a cable... |
| 05:41.21 | valdyn | piper69: then you set up the ip addresses in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:41.42 | blah010111 | lulz |
| 05:41.46 | valdyn | piper69: and then you test the link with ping or somesuch, just between those 2 computers |
| 05:41.59 | valdyn | oh hes goner |
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| 05:42.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, actually used a cross-over cable once, I think |
| 05:42.09 | epsilon | huch another bugged client? |
| 05:42.13 | Sturm | Wow. |
| 05:42.21 | nsadmin | !ops blah010111 dccd people off this channel |
| 05:42.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nsadmin complains about: blah010111 dccd people off this channel |
| 05:42.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ops blah010111 |
| 05:42.22 | epsilon | which client software? |
| 05:42.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cutmeownthroat complains about: blah010111 |
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| 05:42.39 | valdyn | more like trying to exploit a bugged client |
| 05:42.48 | valdyn | maybe like piper69's bugged client |
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| 05:42.55 | valdyn | unless he did /part |
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| 05:43.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | that looks similar to that linksys exploit |
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| 05:43.30 | piper69 | valdyn: sorry i was dc |
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| 05:43.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | piper69, we saw... someone used your faulty client/router for that |
| 05:44.16 | piper69 | valdyn: when you say setup the ip address, what you mean is to bridge the connection |
| 05:44.25 | piper69 | but i don't know how to do it in debian |
| 05:44.26 | valdyn | piper69: no, not bridge |
| 05:44.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | piper69, try connecting to port... what was it 8001 on freenode, with the router flaw that helped |
| 05:44.39 | valdyn | piper69: the most simple thing... |
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| 05:44.52 | epsilon | what crazy exploit was that... cant be client, cause xchat/irssi all are affected |
| 05:44.54 | piper69 | CutMeOwnThroat: what are you talking about |
| 05:44.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmoerner, you got that also |
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| 05:45.27 | piper69 | [22:43]<CutMeOwnThroat>piper69, we saw... someone used your faulty client/router for that <----what you mean |
| 05:45.37 | valdyn | piper69: you were disconnected by someone spamming this channel with a certain string |
| 05:45.59 | piper69 | i don't understand |
| 05:46.06 | dmoerner | CutMeOwnThroat, what do you mean? |
| 05:46.21 | valdyn | piper69: whats there to understand? |
| 05:46.25 | dmoerner | ah i see |
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| 05:46.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | piper69, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit |
| 05:46.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmoerner, ^^ |
| 05:47.00 | piper69 | valdyn: not important, can you please continue what you were saying |
| 05:47.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmoerner, looked kinda like it, but not the one we used to see |
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| 05:47.36 | pallu | what program do i need to be able to view dvds? |
| 05:47.43 | valdyn | piper69: read man interfaces, give both ethernet interfaces a proper ip address |
| 05:48.00 | valdyn | piper69: one on the wlan notebook, one on the other, thats all, no bridging |
| 05:48.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmoerner, try if switching to port 8001 helps... |
| 05:48.04 | peterrooney | i'm wanting to suppress messages from a pcmcia card that make the TTYs unusable. the module doesn't have a 'quiet' or 'verbose' param - is syslog one way to do this? |
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| 05:49.22 | dmoerner | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks for the recommendation, i forgot to change the default settings on xchat here when i reinstalled a month ago |
| 05:49.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess you can trigger it yourself :) |
| 05:50.17 | ananthgs | pallu: u can use mplayer or vlc player |
| 05:50.35 | pallu | they are not working |
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| 05:50.57 | peterS | in that case, what you want is apt-cache search dvd video player |
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| 05:51.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | piper69 / dmoerner http://paste.debian.net/35988/ |
| 05:51.33 | peterS | also, google for libdvdcss2, which is not in Debian |
| 05:51.48 | peterS | (there are .deb packages of it out there, you just have to find them) |
| 05:51.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | (but I guess you get to see the string before you're kicked) |
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| 05:52.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterS, dmm! |
| 05:52.41 | piper69 | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you for making me aware of that , i will change my port |
| 05:52.54 | peterS | yes, that would be one place |
| 05:53.26 | ananthgs | pallu: let me know when u r back |
| 05:53.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | np |
| 05:54.39 | DimmuR | is away: I'm very busy atm |
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| 05:55.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | DimmuR, /msg dpkg away |
| 05:55.59 | Dillizar | this may sound stupid but i dont have calculator :/ i dont know why does any body knows a simple calculator so i can apt-get it :D |
| 05:56.21 | teraflops | You probably have xcalc. |
| 05:56.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | and bc |
| 05:56.51 | peterS | not to mention expr |
| 05:56.52 | Dillizar | E: Package xcalc has no installation candidate |
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| 05:57.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dillizar, you already have that |
| 05:57.28 | peterS | xcalc is in 'x11-apps' these days. it used to be in 'xutils', I believe |
| 05:57.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dillizar, it's in x11-apps |
| 05:57.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Dillizar -about search |
| 05:57.50 | Dillizar | i have some Galculator |
| 05:57.51 | Dillizar | :) |
| 05:57.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... apt-cache search calculator |
| 05:58.03 | Dillizar | its kewl i found it :) |
| 05:58.08 | nsadmin | !pdo |
| 05:58.08 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 05:58.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache search calculator |wc -l ---> 90 |
| 05:58.56 | nsadmin | Dillizar: take a look at that for next time |
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| 05:59.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, also $((4*3+2)) |
| 05:59.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 05:59.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | echo $((4*3+2)) |
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| 05:59.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | pity it doesn't do floats |
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| 05:59.57 | peterS | CutMeOwnThroat: ahh, install ksh |
| 06:00.04 | peterS | I am told it will do floats |
| 06:00.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah |
| 06:01.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | just needed the last 5 years or so to get used to bash |
| 06:01.18 | nsadmin | the first shells were written when floats were either available on separate chips or not at all (other than software) |
| 06:01.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | or on lakes |
| 06:01.54 | nsadmin | or with rootbeer |
| 06:02.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can also have chips on a float |
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| 06:03.02 | nsadmin | lays?> |
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| 06:04.02 | peterS | I use perl, myself. need to know 60 days of interest at 5% APR on a principle of 355.22? perl -le 'print 355.22 * ((1.05 ** (1/365) - 1) * 60)' |
| 06:04.24 | DavidProck1981 | can someone tell me how to mount jfs manualy |
| 06:04.40 | peterS | DavidProck1981: start by installing the 'jfsutils' package |
| 06:04.41 | streuner__ | manualy? |
| 06:04.42 | DavidProck1981 | -t jfs dont work |
| 06:04.47 | peterS | DavidProck1981: then -t jfs will work |
| 06:04.54 | nsadmin | why? |
| 06:05.20 | DavidProck1981 | something about reading beyond the end of something, or something like that |
| 06:05.39 | nsadmin | ok... |
| 06:05.47 | nsadmin | what's the history of this situation? |
| 06:06.16 | DavidProck1981 | well i have no hard drive so im sueing usb sticks |
| 06:06.32 | Dillizar | how old is debian :) |
| 06:06.37 | DavidProck1981 | this os that im useing now is the jfs one and its 8 gb |
| 06:06.52 | DavidProck1981 | it is just fine if i boot off it |
| 06:06.53 | nsadmin | Dillizar: 98743987439578439578 centons |
| 06:07.00 | Dillizar | lol |
| 06:07.12 | Dillizar | in years |
| 06:07.23 | DavidProck1981 | now i got a new install on the 16 gb , and i tri to mount this one so i can get some files off of it |
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| 06:07.28 | nsadmin | umm |
| 06:07.50 | nsadmin | just divide by the constant centons/year |
| 06:07.51 | nsadmin | :) |
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| 06:08.04 | Dillizar | lol |
| 06:08.46 | DavidProck1981 | and also on the new system, i can login as root from the beginning, and i can su NormalUser, but when normal user i CANT su root, why? |
| 06:08.46 | Dillizar | must go see ya all |
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| 06:09.50 | DavidProck1981 | is it have something to do with shadow passwords option durring hte set up |
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| 06:10.10 | nsadmin | try su - |
| 06:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | DavidProck1981, mind, that journaling filesystems defeat the wear leveling of usb sticks |
| 06:10.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're only made for FAT :) |
| 06:11.09 | DavidProck1981 | :peterS, just now notice your message, thanks ill tri it, |
| 06:11.12 | leeguy92 | FAT sux |
| 06:11.18 | leeguy92 | die, FAT! |
| 06:11.19 | DavidProck1981 | CutMeOwnThroat what do u mean |
| 06:11.24 | nsadmin | what is it about fats that make it good for sticks? |
| 06:11.35 | leeguy92 | shoots FAT |
| 06:11.50 | leeguy92 | nsadmin: nothing |
| 06:11.58 | nsadmin | sticks fat with a bamboo shoot |
| 06:11.59 | leeguy92 | they are bad for everything |
| 06:12.33 | nsadmin | so that includes compact flash cards and readers, doesn't it |
| 06:12.43 | leeguy92 | generally |
| 06:12.54 | DavidProck1981 | oh cna someone tell me how to get an unstable install iso so i cna burn it |
| 06:12.55 | leeguy92 | but you can always reformat them |
| 06:13.01 | leeguy92 | to xfs or wuit |
| 06:13.06 | leeguy92 | *wutever |
| 06:13.53 | DavidProck1981 | can i get an iso for unstable? |
| 06:14.08 | DavidProck1981 | net boot installl |
| 06:14.30 | nsadmin | are you -really- sure you want to run unstable? |
| 06:14.36 | DavidProck1981 | yes |
| 06:14.47 | ypbind | DavidProck1981: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
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| 06:16.14 | DavidProck1981 | nsadmin if something supper bad happens, ill just pop in the usb stick im on now and get my files of the new one if i neet to |
| 06:16.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | DavidProck1981, http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/14/266 |
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| 06:16.33 | peterrooney | i'm wanting to suppress messages from a pcmcia card that make the TTYs unusable. the module doesn't have a 'quiet' or 'verbose' param |
| 06:16.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, ^^ to answer that question |
| 06:17.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course... I've not had so many sticks, but until now they either still work, or I've lost them before wearing them down |
| 06:17.59 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.07 | DavidProck1981 | CutMeOwnThroat? |
| 06:18.21 | ypbind | peterrooney: looky in the source code, and comment out the printks? |
| 06:18.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | DavidProck1981, there are no unstable isos, install testing and upgrade to unstable |
| 06:18.33 | ypbind | <3 FOSS |
| 06:19.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | DavidProck1981, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wear+leveling |
| 06:19.26 | peterrooney | leeguy92: (fka ypbind) so is there a way to suppress or redirect kernel messages? |
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| 06:19.43 | leeguy92 | peterrooney: dunno :-/ |
| 06:19.46 | leeguy92 | sry m8 |
| 06:19.48 | leeguy92 | :( |
| 06:20.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wear+leveling&l=1 even |
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| 06:21.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sid iso |
| 06:21.25 | dpkg | hmm... sid iso is a BAD idea. Taking an unsupported snapshot of an unstable system and expecting it to work? Well, hell. You pays your $0 and you takes your chances. You get to keep the pieces and we get to laugh at you. |
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| 06:22.15 | nsadmin | it could work when the moon is in the seventh house and jupiter aligns with mars... |
| 06:22.34 | nsadmin | it could also fail miserably in that case |
| 06:22.41 | leeguy92 | so? |
| 06:22.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterrooney, /etc/syslog.conf? |
| 06:22.49 | leeguy92 | vista is commercially successful |
| 06:22.59 | leeguy92 | so wut if it's unstable |
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| 06:23.19 | leeguy92 | so wut if it never should have been released in that state |
| 06:23.27 | nsadmin | if it's unstable, maybe he has to get his own answers, that's all |
| 06:23.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | from microsoft, preferrably |
| 06:23.56 | leeguy92 | im jus venting about microsoft's absurdity |
| 06:24.01 | leeguy92 | im done now |
| 06:24.10 | leeguy92 | oop wait.... |
| 06:24.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | shoots leeguy92 |
| 06:24.20 | leeguy92 | I MEAN WTF WERE THEY THINKING??! |
| 06:24.22 | JeremyK | any ipv6 + interfaces(5) ninjas around? |
| 06:24.29 | nsadmin | ab surd it eee.... totally DWEEEEEEEEEEE! |
| 06:24.46 | leeguy92 | eeePC? |
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| 06:25.40 | leeguy92 | and now.....they are gonna release Windows 7 SE for netbooks, and it takes up 10GB of SSD/HDD. MY NETBOOK DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THAT MUCH SSD! |
| 06:25.54 | leeguy92 | it's a _net_-book |
| 06:25.59 | leeguy92 | for netting |
| 06:26.12 | tonybaba_ | I have been looking for how to Skype record calls in Debian Lenny. Skype-Calls-recorder works well for me, but it doesn't give the possibility to split conversation into caller and callie. This should be possible with soxmix. I can't find it in the repos. As I understand soxmix is functionally the same as the command line program sox. skype-rec is looking for soxmix and doesn't find it. Is there a way to symlink sox to soxmix? |
| 06:26.56 | leeguy92 | ln -s /usr/bin/sox /usr/bin/soxmix? |
| 06:27.07 | tonybaba_ | :) |
| 06:27.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-file |
| 06:27.56 | dpkg | i guess apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
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| 06:28.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, doesn't find anything, though |
| 06:28.52 | sshock | Can anyone here help me with a software RAID (mdadm )issue? |
| 06:28.58 | leeguy92 | cannot wait for the ARM netbooks |
| 06:29.05 | leeguy92 | WANT NAO! |
| 06:29.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't wait |
| 06:29.19 | creature_ | sshock: what issue is that? |
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| 06:29.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've given up telling people that they can only get answers if they ask :) |
| 06:29.39 | sshock | Upon boot, e2fsck fails because /dev/md0 is incorrectly trying to use /dev/sdd |
| 06:29.49 | leeguy92 | CutMeOwnThroat: .....U haz one? |
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| 06:30.29 | sshock | I can mdadm --stop and re-assemble using the correct devices (sda3,sdb3,sdc3,sdd3) but every time after reboot it just wants to use sdd for some reason |
| 06:30.37 | leeguy92 | now theres an interestin one: http://www.netbookchoice.com/2009/05/12/first-pictures-of-skytone%E2%80%99s-alpha-680-android-netbook/ |
| 06:31.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | leeguy92, the processor is slow, 128MB ram, but 8+2+0.25 GB diskspace... bluetooth kbd would work, but don't see how to attach a monitor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N810 |
| 06:31.29 | sshock | when it's in the broken state, the sd partitions aren't recognized, so actually before I can do the assemble I have to do fdisk /dev/sdd and "w" to write the partition table; then the partitions are recognized again |
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| 06:32.00 | leeguy92 | CutMeOwnThroat: that's kinda for carrying around in ur pocket. |
| 06:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | leeguy92, runs the proprietary debian-clone maemo, seems to be able to run debian/ubuntu/gentoo |
| 06:32.16 | leeguy92 | but, yea. it still does more than enough for many users |
| 06:32.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | leeguy92, but look at what it can do - it's a laptop! |
| 06:32.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | leeguy92, you can run openoffice on that if you are patient enough! |
| 06:32.48 | leeguy92 | yet, these people are buying systems with an OS which costs more than that entire unit |
| 06:32.57 | leeguy92 | CutMeOwnThroat: OOo runs on 128MB? |
| 06:33.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | leeguy92, sloooooooooowly |
| 06:33.10 | leeguy92 | lulz |
| 06:33.14 | leeguy92 | thrashy |
| 06:33.43 | sshock | creature_ or anyone, any ideas? |
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| 06:34.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | leeguy92, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-desktop-x-windows/378-how-run-openoffice-rh8-kde-32-mb-ram.html |
| 06:34.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 06:35.06 | sshock | I tried Ubuntu, but it had a different problem (got stuck during bootup and dropped me to a busybox shell for initramfs) |
| 06:35.15 | leeguy92 | zomglulwut |
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| 06:36.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | sshock, http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/Raid read the grub bits |
| 06:36.29 | nsadmin | sshock: that's more about the kernel than anything else |
| 06:36.53 | sshock | CutMeOwnThroat, ok, I'll check it out |
| 06:37.19 | nsadmin | you can get any dist to work if you understand how booting works and what's required |
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| 06:37.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | sshock, your boot-sector has to go on sda/sdb whatever, you need initrd support for the raid, 'cause it must be assembled before / is mounted |
| 06:38.15 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:38.30 | nsadmin | not yet, but it will be in like 22 mins |
| 06:38.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | sshock, and then root=/dev/md[number] |
| 06:39.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands nsadmin some commas for his like |
| 06:39.44 | sshock | Well I know I have the root= part right (/dev/md2, which is a RAID5 that is working fine). |
| 06:39.58 | sshock | The one that isn't working is /dev/md0, which I'm using for /boot |
| 06:40.24 | nsadmin | there's no partitions not part of any raid? |
| 06:40.35 | simonrvn | i bet trbilgirl` is a spam bot |
| 06:40.35 | nsadmin | and/or no space for same? |
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| 06:40.51 | simonrvn | yup |
| 06:41.00 | sshock | I have no idea if my initrd supports md; how would I find out? |
| 06:41.00 | nsadmin | there's trouble with trbils |
| 06:41.17 | simonrvn | dumb thing spammed me. |
| 06:41.43 | simonrvn | waits for the auto-kill |
| 06:42.03 | nsadmin | it's on #redhat too making it fair game for net issue |
| 06:42.25 | simonrvn | there's a bot here that will take care of it as soon as it notices it |
| 06:42.41 | nsadmin | ayyyy tooo! |
| 06:43.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | leeguy92, well, no joy http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_30.html |
| 06:44.03 | sshock | perhaps I should not RAID my boot partition, but it sounded like such a good idea |
| 06:44.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | leeguy92, mind, http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_20.html scratches it |
| 06:44.25 | simonrvn | no, you shouldn't raid /boot ... |
| 06:44.33 | simonrvn | that's actually a dumb idea |
| 06:44.36 | sshock | Supposedly it will work fine with RAID1 |
| 06:44.48 | peterrooney | simonrvn: even if it's hardware RAID? |
| 06:45.00 | sshock | simonrvn: why's it a dumb idea? |
| 06:45.03 | nsadmin | sshock: you can do it, but it takes some effort, and you'd need rescue media that covers your raid setup |
| 06:45.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | leeguy92, and lenny still has 2.x, so ... yes.. it runs :) |
| 06:45.18 | simonrvn | real hw raid, or fake crap hw raid? |
| 06:45.30 | sshock | nsadmin: well, I was thinking the whole point of RAIDing it was so in the event of a failure I still can boot |
| 06:45.38 | peterrooney | sshock: as a first guess, because you have to have the kernel load RAID modules from disk before you know how to read the disk. |
| 06:46.09 | nsadmin | your boot loader would need to be aware of your raid |
| 06:46.19 | sshock | how can I tell if my initrd is loading the modules it needs? |
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| 06:46.30 | peterrooney | nsadmin: right, even simpler that i first thought. |
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| 06:46.42 | sshock | I thought debian installer would handle that for me :( |
| 06:46.45 | simonrvn | when you get a login prompt ;). |
| 06:47.07 | Agiofws | hello |
| 06:47.12 | simonrvn | <- sometimes a smartass |
| 06:47.19 | Agiofws | does anyone know how to edit a pdf ? in linux ? |
| 06:47.30 | sshock | cat /proc/modules ? |
| 06:47.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, actually I don't have a separate /boot partition and / is raided... thx for calling me dumb, I guess :-P |
| 06:47.53 | sshock | if it's not loading what I need, how can I fix it; I was heading down that path earlier but I got stuck :( |
| 06:47.55 | nsadmin | sshock: are you getting what the problem is |
| 06:47.56 | nsadmin | ? |
| 06:48.10 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: custom kernel? |
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| 06:48.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, nope |
| 06:48.28 | Agiofws | anyone ? |
| 06:48.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, own initrd, iirc |
| 06:48.33 | sshock | nsadmin: my best guess is the initrd does not have RAID modules loaded, and then sdd gets locked somehow and the partitions are not available |
| 06:49.08 | sshock | anyway, it's so sad because I can actually boot just fine, I just have to hit Ctrl-D when e2fsck fails, and then manually re-assemble /dev/md0 |
| 06:49.30 | nsadmin | well if your initrd is in the raid, how can the raid modules be loaded (unless they were actually built into the kernel, which would require you to build a kernel |
| 06:49.34 | nsadmin | _ |
| 06:49.37 | nsadmin | ) |
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| 06:49.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | sshock, the faq says I needed the new initrd because of sata (not sure) - but it also tells you how to make your own initrd |
| 06:50.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/faq/howto/ |
| 06:50.06 | sshock | nsadmin: I thought with RAID1 grub somehow could get things going; at least that's what the web pages say |
| 06:50.41 | nsadmin | perhaps that's because grub is aware of raid1 |
| 06:51.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it? |
| 06:51.08 | sshock | CutMeOwnThread: so maybe if I just run mkinitrd it will fix everything, hmm... |
| 06:51.11 | nsadmin | no idea actually |
| 06:51.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 06:51.25 | sshock | I think it must be or else how am I able to boot? |
| 06:51.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | cuts at his own threads until his clothes fall off... brr, clod |
| 06:51.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | sshock, tab-completion works wonders on my nick, btw |
| 06:51.50 | nsadmin | make it hto! |
| 06:51.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/clod/cold/ |
| 06:52.00 | sshock | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, coolie |
| 06:52.11 | sshock | sorry I called you "Thread", hehe; I didn't even notice |
| 06:52.12 | nsadmin | s/hto/hot/ |
| 06:52.16 | leeguy92 | CutMeOwnThroat: from arstechnica: "Companies in Microsoft's positionâÂÂshrinking revenues from cash cow properties, layoffs, and under threat of losing market share to a more nimble competitor in a hot and growing sectorâÂÂoften make boneheaded, counterproductive moves." |
| 06:52.26 | leeguy92 | couldnt have put it better myself |
| 06:52.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | sshock, hmm, I think... look in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
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| 06:53.04 | nsadmin | we're still talking about microsoft? |
| 06:53.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | sshock, put in what your heart desires (I got md reiserfs raid1 libata sata_nv sd_mod md_mod ) |
| 06:53.16 | leeguy92 | nsadmin: i am |
| 06:53.16 | sshock | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, I remember editing that file earlier and adding sd_mod and raid1 to it |
| 06:53.19 | nsadmin | I thought I forgot all about that! |
| 06:53.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, no |
| 06:53.27 | leeguy92 | nsadmin: apparently u did |
| 06:53.33 | sshock | then I ran update-initramfs (this was when I was trying ubuntu); anyway, it still didn't help |
| 06:53.50 | nibbler | TRBILgirL` <--- this bot is onjoin spamming for pr0n |
| 06:54.04 | nsadmin | yeah we know |
| 06:54.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | nibbler, you must prepend !ops to that :) |
| 06:54.21 | sshock | when I was trying ubuntu, I never got as far as I did with Debian; I always got stuck at a busybox prompt for initramfs because it couldn't find the root device /dev/md2 |
| 06:54.22 | nibbler | yepl...... |
| 06:54.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | nibbler, or tell #freenode |
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| 06:54.43 | simonrvn | !ops TRBILgirL` |
| 06:54.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: TRBILgirL` |
| 06:54.45 | nibbler | no idea how ops work on freenode... :) |
| 06:54.45 | nsadmin | AND te;; #freenode! |
| 06:54.50 | maxagaz | How to check and change the order in which services are run at the boot of the computer ? |
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| 06:55.11 | simonrvn | on-join spam |
| 06:55.25 | nsadmin | fergit this "or" crap :) |
| 06:55.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | maxagaz, rcconf |
| 06:55.33 | nibbler | maxagaz: check /etc/rc*.d, S=Start, K=Kill, ##=priority |
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| 06:56.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !rcconf |
| 06:56.14 | dpkg | [rcconf] a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 06:56.26 | leeguy92 | (07:54:56) leeguy92: how do i set up IIS on vista basic to make a website? |
| 06:56.26 | leeguy92 | (07:55:32) leeguy92: also, i want it to forward my router, so people can access it would a password |
| 06:56.28 | leeguy92 | lulz |
| 06:56.34 | leeguy92 | i loves pretendin to troll |
| 06:56.51 | leeguy92 | (in ##windowsfails) |
| 06:57.01 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 06:57.10 | nibbler | leeguy92: seek mental help |
| 06:57.11 | leeguy92 | sighs harder |
| 06:57.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !beer simonrvn |
| 06:57.14 | dpkg | pours a litre of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for simonrvn |
| 06:57.17 | leeguy92 | nibbler: y? |
| 06:57.27 | leeguy92 | nothin wrong wit me bleep |
| 06:57.30 | nibbler | trolling in windows chans... |
| 06:57.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | an you're offtopic |
| 06:57.45 | leeguy92 | nibbler: ##windowsfails isn't windows chan |
| 06:57.50 | leeguy92 | btw |
| 06:57.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | FAR off |
| 06:58.02 | leeguy92 | topic |
| 06:58.04 | simonrvn | plonks |
| 06:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | over the horizon, proving the world is round |
| 06:58.17 | nsadmin | if you have a plate on your head, get rid of the n and seek metal help! |
| 06:58.25 | piper69 | what is better ipmasq or iptables? |
| 06:58.35 | leeguy92 | nsadmin: i tried that |
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| 06:58.40 | nsadmin | ipmasq uses iptables |
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| 06:58.41 | simonrvn | ipmasq uses iptables... |
| 06:58.42 | leeguy92 | the potato king wont let me |
| 06:58.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | did someone mention that ipmasq uses iptables? |
| 06:59.06 | nibbler | ipmasq uses iptables |
| 06:59.07 | leeguy92 | for i have taken a radish to my cloud |
| 06:59.11 | piper69 | errrr... i am reading the ipmasq man and its a little hard |
| 06:59.13 | simonrvn | maybe someone should, just in case |
| 06:59.21 | nsadmin | I am really surprised and excited that ipmasq uses iptables! |
| 06:59.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, ipmasq uses iptables |
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| 06:59.32 | simonrvn | maybe it needs some stimulation? |
| 06:59.33 | piper69 | hahhahahahah |
| 06:59.35 | nibbler | ipmasq uses iptables uses netfilter |
| 06:59.36 | DavidProck1981 | for the person that gave me this link http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/14/266 , what would you say the best FS is for a usb stick, i read it and got some of it |
| 06:59.43 | simonrvn | you missed the bot, aay tooo |
| 07:00.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | DavidProck1981, dunno... I also don't know how fast that makes the journal die |
| 07:00.17 | piper69 | so read iptables |
| 07:00.23 | nsadmin | ayyy tooo deee tooo? |
| 07:00.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | DavidProck1981, it's not as if I LOVE fat |
| 07:00.48 | DavidProck1981 | what about xfs |
| 07:00.51 | nsadmin | ipmasq can also use ipchains or even ipfwadm |
| 07:01.00 | simonrvn | xfs is also journaled... |
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| 07:01.24 | simonrvn | nsadmin: who in their right mind uses a 2.2 or 2.4 kernel anymore? |
| 07:01.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | DavidProck1981, this seems to apply for all journaling fs |
| 07:01.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, err... *raises hand* |
| 07:01.49 | DavidProck1981 | so from what it said, soes it mean ANY journal fs is bad for a sub stick |
| 07:01.50 | piper69 | nsadmin: what is the easiest and quick way to use and internet connection from one int to another int |
| 07:01.53 | nsadmin | people in their left mind! |
| 07:02.01 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: why? |
| 07:02.13 | nibbler | piper69: ipmasq |
| 07:02.26 | nsadmin | one int? another int? what's a int? |
| 07:02.33 | simonrvn | integer |
| 07:02.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, well, for one, I'm not responsible for the machine anymore, for two, I'd BE responsible if it doesn't boot and for three, it runs fine with 2.4 |
| 07:02.48 | DavidProck1981 | so what are the non journal FS'es |
| 07:02.48 | piper69 | interface |
| 07:03.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | DavidProck1981, you read the link... fat |
| 07:03.12 | simonrvn | it runs like molasses on some machines here. all of them. |
| 07:03.22 | DavidProck1981 | but you can install debian on a fat can u? |
| 07:03.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, it's just non-busy mail/web server |
| 07:03.40 | nibbler | DavidProck1981: how would that work for the permissions? |
| 07:03.57 | DavidProck1981 | i left off the T |
| 07:04.03 | DavidProck1981 | i ment cant! |
| 07:04.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | DavidProck1981, not really... you just got to suck it up - still, better to be aware of the problem, no? |
| 07:04.20 | DavidProck1981 | yes |
| 07:04.20 | nsadmin | well ipmasq does something fairly specialized, and the thing it does is the usual thing you want... which is to have lots of internal machines on one interface of an ipmasq box use "the rest of the internet" on the other interface |
| 07:04.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, there's ext2 |
| 07:04.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you like hours of fsck |
| 07:04.39 | DavidProck1981 | hell no |
| 07:04.53 | leeguy92 | anyone wanna do a typin race?http://play.typeracer.com/?rt=jg41gjnk2tyw |
| 07:04.56 | nsadmin | oooOO! hours of fsck!! |
| 07:04.56 | leeguy92 | is bored |
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| 07:05.21 | DavidProck1981 | oh u just brought some memory back from a long time agao LOL LMAO AHH dont want that again |
| 07:05.42 | simonrvn | hours and hours ;) |
| 07:06.07 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: that's not so bad then |
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| 07:06.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, everyone needs a hobby! |
| 07:06.48 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:07.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | watch fsck... blink... watch some more fsck |
| 07:07.17 | DavidProck1981 | hours and hours = 4 , 'S = more than 1, at least 2, so 2 and 2 = 4 |
| 07:07.22 | DavidProck1981 | lmao lol haha |
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| 07:07.55 | nsadmin | minimally :P |
| 07:08.30 | DavidProck1981 | so hours and hours upon hours >=6 |
| 07:08.57 | nsadmin | and hours and hours upon ours? |
| 07:09.06 | nibbler | DavidProck1981: what you want your usb stick for, and why is journaling bad, cause of the permanent writes to all different places? |
| 07:09.35 | nsadmin | our hour rymes with flower power |
| 07:09.59 | DavidProck1981 | nibbler my hdd went dead, and sinse ive been using a usb stick |
| 07:10.31 | DavidProck1981 | and since i use usb stick, i notice lag many times, that with the same setup |
| 07:11.11 | nibbler | DavidProck1981: ah... strange, reading should be fine. but maybe you should consider using flash ro, and use a harddisk for /home and other rw stuff |
| 07:11.16 | DavidProck1981 | like just a moment agao i alt+tab to goto another app, and i was stuck on a white screen for 10 seconds |
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| 07:11.19 | nsadmin | the thing about sticks is they have a limited number of writes before they die |
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| 07:11.56 | nibbler | and writing can be kind of slow |
| 07:11.59 | nsadmin | at least it wasn't a blue screen for ever... |
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| 07:13.26 | DavidProck1981 | nibbler can u gelp me set up something like that with the ram, read the hole stick to the ram, like a live cd, then on proper shutdown, only hte changed files will be ritten back to the stick. THAT WOULD BE AWSOME!!!! |
| 07:13.33 | DavidProck1981 | help* |
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| 07:14.28 | nibbler | DavidProck1981: uff sounds nice ;-) there is something called unionfs, this could maybe be helpful |
| 07:14.30 | huhmz | Hello, is there a good way to find out which processess are generating IO? I found iotop while googling but it requires too new kernel and python to work for me |
| 07:15.24 | DavidProck1981 | what is uff |
| 07:15.50 | nibbler | DavidProck1981: soundslike a lot of work |
| 07:16.40 | DavidProck1981 | i think it would be well worth it |
| 07:17.04 | DavidProck1981 | would make my system faster |
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| 07:17.14 | DavidProck1981 | and save my stick |
| 07:17.23 | simonrvn | !uff |
| 07:17.40 | simonrvn | i thought there was one.. |
| 07:17.52 | nibbler | DavidProck1981: flash dies, too. i set up my router on a flash media, and mounted / ro, and all dirs that need writing use this ramdisk |
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| 07:18.44 | DavidProck1981 | ? |
| 07:19.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | huhmz, iotop is it... |
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| 07:20.12 | nsadmin | in order for other peopel to figger out what you want you have to put a queston befor the question mark |
| 07:20.25 | DavidProck1981 | would there be a way to add a menu to grub, to put every thing in hte ram, them ill copy the changed files manulay |
| 07:20.45 | jmarsden | huhmz: There is some discussion of io monitoring at http://blog.lifepattern.org/2009/04/11/io-performance-monitoring/ but no easy answer. |
| 07:20.49 | nsadmin | grub can have menus |
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| 07:21.49 | DavidProck1981 | like for a system update, that is too muck to know what what changed, so ill reboot, then select the boot option that dont put every thing in the ram aka normal as im doing now |
| 07:21.57 | jmarsden | DavidProck1981: There are some small Linux distributions that work more or less the way you are suggesting. I think Puppy can do that sort of thing, for example; mght be worth a look if you are sure this is essential for you. |
| 07:21.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, ok, I just wanted to know how babby was formd? |
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| 07:22.08 | Andy1978 | Hey at all, does someone have a good idea how to detect network problems like physically "bad connections" in an 100Mbit ethernet? A tool which sniffs all packets and shows packet drops, crc errors and so on? Tried also Wireshark but it seams like bad crc IP-Packets are already dropped by the NIC |
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| 07:22.31 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.42 | DavidProck1981 | google sucks |
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| 07:24.04 | nsadmin | Andy1978: have you looked into SNMP and managed devices like hubs and switches? |
| 07:24.06 | huhmz | Andy1978: netstat -i |
| 07:24.09 | jmarsden | DavidProck1981: Use http://www.google.com/linux when searching for Linux-specific terms... |
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| 07:24.53 | nsadmin | it -could- be that some switches can detect hard connection problems and report them using SNMP |
| 07:25.03 | huhmz | Andy1978: or netstat -s |
| 07:25.05 | DavidProck1981 | cool |
| 07:25.22 | Andy1978 | nsadmin: The switch which we use isn't managed, so it doesn't report the Problems vie SNTP |
| 07:25.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=uff :) |
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| 07:25.51 | jmarsden | Andy1978: I think you may just want to try a "dumber" NIC? Or find some driver option that disables the on-NIC CRC processing?? |
| 07:25.57 | nsadmin | probably you have to periodically check the cables manually then |
| 07:26.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | DavidProck1981, ^^^ |
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| 07:27.11 | Andy1978 | nsadmin: So it could be a good idea to buy a managed switch wihich reports "bad connections" ? |
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| 07:28.14 | sshock | I think running update-initramfs -u may solve the problem, but I have to wait another hour before testing it. |
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| 07:28.47 | sshock | I want to wait for /dev/md2 to finish recovering; so far I've been impatient and haven't wanted to wait for it (takes 2 hours). |
| 07:29.27 | sshock | I think this may solve the problem because the old initrd definitely had some wrong stuff in it, like /dev/md0 being listed twice in the mdadm.conf, once with the wrong UUID. |
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| 07:30.11 | sshock | BTW, I found out that an initrd image is just a cpio-gzip archive (which I know I used to know), so it was easy to extract and analyze. |
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| 07:31.26 | sobersabre | hi. |
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| 07:32.15 | sobersabre | I looked at installation manual and didn't find the answer for: is it possible to boot debian from any installation cds so that before the disk is partitioned the system already has configured the network, and sshd is running ? |
| 07:32.52 | sobersabre | I want to partition the disk remotely. so I probably need to be able to login somehow too. |
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| 07:33.54 | DavidProck1981 | what is a loopfile? |
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| 07:34.26 | jmarsden | DavidProck1981: A file that is an image of a filesystem, and so used with the -o loop option to mount |
| 07:34.36 | DavidProck1981 | when searching uff, this is one of the smartest related links i saw http://rema2007.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/all-in-one-pendrivelinux-2008-qemu-and-native-boot-usb-pen-drive-linux/ |
| 07:35.15 | sshock | sobersabre: I did a remote install via ssh just the other day |
| 07:35.39 | sshock | I think maybe it was under "expert install" or something, but I can't remember. |
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| 07:35.49 | DavidProck1981 | could that link help me do what i want ot do using debian |
| 07:35.58 | sobersabre | sshock: thanks, I'll look for that. |
| 07:35.59 | R1ck | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.01 | R1ck | sweet |
| 07:36.05 | R1ck | debian rules ;) |
| 07:36.06 | sshock | good luck |
| 07:37.05 | DavidProck1981 | R1ck how the **** you keep your system up that long, havent u ever dont any thing that required a restart by then? |
| 07:37.46 | sshock | try this: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=1357 |
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| 07:39.07 | R1ck | DavidProck1981: actually, we just recently started with a solid update schedule for all our servers, this one hasn't been updated since install :o |
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| 07:41.13 | DavidProck1981 | heh |
| 07:41.43 | DavidProck1981 | are u going to update it, or see how long it will last |
| 07:42.03 | DavidProck1981 | hope you dont lost power ! |
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| 07:43.12 | simonrvn | yeh, like a kernel update.... |
| 07:43.46 | R1ck | DavidProck1981: hm, actually, it was supposed to have been updated last week |
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| 07:45.01 | DavidProck1981 | you should use a camera to take a pic as a reminder |
| 07:45.33 | DavidProck1981 | video, so u can prove it was just not typed |
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| 07:46.21 | simonrvn | uptimes like that are not unusual |
| 07:46.33 | DavidProck1981 | oh! |
| 07:46.41 | simonrvn | DavidProck1981: aptitude install uptimed |
| 07:46.49 | DavidProck1981 | for a personal computer it would be |
| 07:47.12 | simonrvn | you assume much, grasshopper |
| 07:47.13 | mosno_ | [oftc crosspost] hrm, lenny crashes and reboots when i open my laptop lid and press space after having it shut for a while. where do i begin diagnosing this? |
| 07:47.34 | simonrvn | logs? |
| 07:48.06 | DavidProck1981 | mosno_ do u use kpowersave |
| 07:48.56 | DavidProck1981 | is it when it somes out of a sleep state |
| 07:49.28 | mosno_ | DavidProck1981: gnome |
| 07:50.11 | DavidProck1981 | find out what controols the lid close options and powerbutton press options, i would start from there |
| 07:50.26 | mosno_ | http://pastebin.com/m73eb9ce |
| 07:50.37 | DavidProck1981 | see if that app is missing something it wants / needs |
| 07:51.19 | mosno_ | DavidProck1981: gnome-power-manager i guess, but the weird thing is the lid was closed for ages before we see the "going to sleep" event in syslog. said event happens when i OPEN the lid |
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| 07:51.53 | mosno_ | ie. it seems like the laptop was in normal power state after i closed the lid, then time passed, then i came back and opened the lid and THEN gnome put the laptop to sleep |
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| 07:52.12 | simonrvn | ugh |
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| 07:52.40 | mosno_ | i suppose i could try a) without XenLinux b) without Gnome |
| 07:52.49 | mosno_ | but that c) screws my workflow :) |
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| 07:53.11 | DavidProck1981 | the ac adapter removed? is that true |
| 07:53.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, they are, though, if the bloody university decides to cut power for fun |
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| 07:53.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I see, they didn't for 118 days and google earth didn't pull down the whole system via the nvidia driver either |
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| 07:54.07 | mosno_ | DavidProck1981: AC adaper was always plugged in |
| 07:54.07 | DavidProck1981 | is there a power manager now related to any WM? |
| 07:54.23 | DavidProck1981 | but it say its not |
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| 07:54.51 | DavidProck1981 | was it pluged in during power on and boot time |
| 07:55.01 | mosno_ | DavidProck1981: are you talking to me? |
| 07:55.12 | DavidProck1981 | ya |
| 07:55.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | xen! |
| 07:55.19 | mosno_ | DavidProck1981: yes, it was plugged-in the whole time |
| 07:55.26 | mosno_ | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, Xen |
| 07:55.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | laptop! |
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| 07:55.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders if it shows that he's tired like hell |
| 07:55.58 | mosno_ | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm not running any non-debian software (except from some codecs from debian mm) |
| 07:56.21 | mosno_ | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm not even running the nvidia binaries |
| 07:56.33 | mosno_ | CutMeOwnThroat: you read it correctly: laptop+xen |
| 07:56.41 | DavidProck1981 | tri finding an alternitive pawer manager, that is what im wanting to do, cause i dont want something bloated, im going to start useing hte ion3 window manager |
| 07:56.42 | mosno_ | it's a Core 2 Duo with 2GB RAM, it can handle it |
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| 07:56.56 | mosno_ | DavidProck1981: yea i might get rid of gnome *sobs* |
| 07:57.00 | DavidProck1981 | and i dont want that use a lot of libs from another WM |
| 07:57.20 | mosno_ | strip this puppy down to basics.. i shouldn't have to but yea. |
| 07:57.26 | DavidProck1981 | i wont one that is indepentit from all WM's |
| 07:57.46 | mosno_ | DavidProck1981: maybe there's a freedesktop interface? |
| 07:57.55 | DavidProck1981 | ??? |
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| 07:58.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | mosno_, it's a new laptop? (no pre-lenny stuff on it) |
| 07:58.22 | mosno_ | CutMeOwnThroat: Asus F3SV from Q3 2007 |
| 07:58.31 | mosno_ | CutMeOwnThroat: fresh install of Lenny |
| 07:58.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean ... did you run etch which didn.t have the pr.... |
| 07:58.41 | mosno_ | no |
| 07:59.17 | DavidProck1981 | yo try ion3, its great once u get used to it |
| 07:59.21 | mosno_ | i will close the lid again in 10min (leaving for yoga), we'll see if it crashes again |
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| 07:59.41 | mosno_ | DavidProck1981: isn't ion no longer in debian due to insane upstream licensing? |
| 07:59.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | try older kernel? |
| 07:59.43 | DavidProck1981 | u dont need bloated gnome, or super bloated kde |
| 07:59.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | try non-xen kernel, if that's possible? |
| 07:59.51 | mosno_ | CutMeOwnThroat: i'll go back to non-xen |
| 08:00.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the machine is really dead? |
| 08:00.02 | mosno_ | CutMeOwnThroat: but i *need* xen, so it'll only be temporary |
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| 08:00.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | ping/ssh? |
| 08:00.15 | DavidProck1981 | u can get ion3, the latest version odd the main site for it |
| 08:00.17 | mosno_ | i'll leave it as xen for now to see if the problem recurrs or if it was a once-off |
| 08:00.20 | DavidProck1981 | off* |
| 08:00.26 | mosno_ | DavidProck1981: we don't need no steenkin' non-debian |
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| 08:00.46 | DavidProck1981 | huh |
| 08:00.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | or is only X/kbd gone |
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| 08:01.02 | DavidProck1981 | ion3 is in debian, but its an old version |
| 08:01.10 | mosno_ | DavidProck1981: i like my panels and notification areas, thanks |
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| 08:01.14 | DavidProck1981 | package not been updated |
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| 08:01.18 | mosno_ | less faffing around |
| 08:01.22 | faffi | what? |
| 08:01.27 | faffi | damn it, that hilighted me |
| 08:01.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 08:01.29 | streuner__ | DavidProck1981: so? |
| 08:01.34 | mosno_ | hahaha |
| 08:01.38 | Yancho_ | hi. what would a very lightweight gui be good for debian. at the moment i have xfce. my ram is 128mb. i need to be able to set up this old lappie as a printer server then i might as well remove the gui and administer it via web / ssh / vnc |
| 08:01.38 | streuner__ | How about to use something else? |
| 08:01.41 | DavidProck1981 | ion3 haas gotten better at floating stuff |
| 08:02.03 | mosno_ | meh |
| 08:02.11 | mosno_ | the window manager is not the problem here |
| 08:02.29 | mosno_ | (perhaps gnome, but *not* the window manager. more likely the kernel) |
| 08:02.29 | dondelelcaro | Yancho_: there's really no point to having a GUI on it, then. |
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| 08:02.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yancho_, lots... and lots... apt-cache search window manager |grep indo |
| 08:03.12 | peterrooney | Yancho_: wmii |
| 08:03.16 | mosno_ | ok, yoga time. thanks all, back on later |
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| 08:04.24 | DavidProck1981 | load average: 0.85, 1.09, 1.10 , what do the 3 different sets of numbers meen |
| 08:04.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | or alone... apt-cache search window manager |grep -i window |grep -i light|grep -v ^lib |
| 08:05.07 | mosno_ | ...or use debtags... |
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| 08:05.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | that leaves us with 11 windows managers who all claim to be leightweight and the best thing since sliced bread |
| 08:05.38 | Yancho_ | dondelelcaro: to set things up i need it |
| 08:05.42 | mosno_ | CutMeOwnThroat: openbox |
| 08:05.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | mosno_, is in that list |
| 08:06.37 | dondelelcaro | Yancho_: you don't need one even to set things up |
| 08:06.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I didn't count Enlightenment |
| 08:07.01 | peterrooney | CutMeOwnThroat: how does E count as lightweight? |
| 08:07.02 | dondelelcaro | Yancho_: you can just ssh into the machine and use X11Forwarding if you're more comfortable with one, though |
| 08:07.14 | DavidProck1981 | bbl |
| 08:07.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterrooney, it's got light in the name :) |
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| 08:07.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterrooney, which counts perfectly for grep |
| 08:07.49 | peterrooney | but debian calls it e16 now... |
| 08:08.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | and e17 |
| 08:08.19 | Yancho_ | x11forwarding is like piping all the data and will be generated on the remote machine? |
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| 08:10.46 | peterrooney | Yancho_: yep. ssh -X -C user@host.with.many.programs means the program runs remotely but is displayed using your local X server |
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| 08:11.58 | peterrooney | Yancho_: you have to have the X server already running locally. |
| 08:12.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's sloow |
| 08:12.23 | Yancho_ | sorry i might be sounding dumb .. but if i execute an ftp server for example .. and i execute that command from a windows machine - the ftpd will be run on the debian server not windows one ey? |
| 08:12.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | on connections > 50 ms pingtime |
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| 08:12.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends where you execute that server :) |
| 08:13.28 | Yancho_ | the ssh -x -c i need to run it from windows or from debian? |
| 08:13.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | from one linux machine to another |
| 08:13.51 | OpenTokix | Yancho_: its -X and -C |
| 08:13.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's -X, not -x |
| 08:13.57 | OpenTokix | Yancho_: not -x -c |
| 08:14.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | -C? |
| 08:14.20 | Yancho_ | a ok so i cannot do it since i dont have other linux machines in the lan |
| 08:14.30 | OpenTokix | -C is optional - if you have very fast network, but slow computers -C might slow down |
| 08:14.33 | OpenTokix | CutMeOwnThroat: compression |
| 08:14.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 08:14.49 | OpenTokix | -X -C -c blowfish |
| 08:14.50 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 08:15.06 | OpenTokix | is my perfered switchcompilation for x-forwarding |
| 08:15.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | blows into his fish ... boom... what a mess |
| 08:15.50 | peterrooney | blows his fish. everyone is disgusted. |
| 08:16.09 | Yancho_ | will it be another option if i continue using xfce to set up cups and samba [samba needs to be set up via ssh] .. and then unload xfce and just keeps xserver running for that rare time i need to VNC in? |
| 08:16.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterrooney, read up on fish anatomy... |
| 08:16.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | dolphins perhaps |
| 08:16.44 | OpenTokix | Yancho_: I would just learn how to use the cli |
| 08:17.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yancho_, yeah... consider what gui apps you would ever need... |
| 08:17.22 | Yancho_ | ok OpenTokix .. time for me to unload all gui then :) or better reinstall? |
| 08:17.32 | OpenTokix | Yancho_: just use ssh, regardless of gui-stuff |
| 08:17.41 | OpenTokix | Yancho_: edit appropriet files etc. |
| 08:18.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | cups will be a bit problematic |
| 08:18.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | might |
| 08:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | default only binds to localhost:631 |
| 08:18.48 | OpenTokix | CutMeOwnThroat: http://www.cups.org/doc-1.1/sam.html#4_3 |
| 08:18.51 | Yancho_ | argh im remembering another problem - one of my printers is an MFC .. and my sister wants to use it as a scanner too ... so that definately doesn't allow me to unload gui - i need a scanning software :\ |
| 08:18.58 | OpenTokix | CutMeOwnThroat: well, he can ssh to the localhost, can't he? |
| 08:19.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
| 08:19.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, you have to make it bind to * or do port-forwarding |
| 08:19.27 | OpenTokix | Yancho_: fair enough |
| 08:19.42 | OpenTokix | CutMeOwnThroat: port fwd isnt exactly rocket surgery |
| 08:19.54 | OpenTokix | bbl |
| 08:19.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | OpenTokix, where do you end up when you ssh to localhost, btw? |
| 08:20.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | where do THINK you end up |
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| 08:20.30 | gypsymauro | hello |
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| 08:20.47 | gypsymauro | someone uses virtualbox with xen patched kernel? |
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| 08:22.23 | Yancho_ | so since I would be using Xsane I guess I have to stay with Xfce right? |
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| 08:23.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh... looks good as .png, convert to jpg and looks like crap |
| 08:23.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
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| 08:26.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yancho_, no |
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| 08:26.51 | Yancho_ | other ideas please? |
| 08:27.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | other ideas than "no"? |
| 08:27.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | only "yes" on a yes-no answer, but that would be wrong |
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| 08:29.38 | Yancho_ | how can i run a GUI for scanning which requires the least of resources? |
| 08:31.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | starts running two weeks of benchmarks |
| 08:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yancho_, just make up your mind |
| 08:32.04 | Yancho_ | haha :) no as a general idea ;) running phpsane is crazy since i would need apache and php running i guess ey? |
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| 08:32.27 | scrieler | heya, I got a problem to start a cronjob from server (PHP Warning: require_once(lib/ezutils/classes/ezdebug.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in ....) / if I start the cronjob script with command line I get success |
| 08:32.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | php doesn't 'run', it's an apache module |
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| 08:33.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and apache has Installed-Size: 696 |
| 08:33.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | (kb, I think) |
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| 08:34.10 | Yancho_ | memory wise or disk wise? |
| 08:34.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | disk, of course |
| 08:34.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's from dpkg -s |
| 08:34.37 | Yancho_ | disk is not much of a problem got 10gb waiting to be filled |
| 08:35.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's the figure dpkg can give |
| 08:36.07 | Yancho_ | is having a gui running worse on ram than having apache with php ? |
| 08:36.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 08:36.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | try it |
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| 08:36.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | "worse" |
| 08:36.59 | Yancho_ | oki :) taughts its some public knowledge :) |
| 08:37.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, you might not even run an x server |
| 08:37.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | x server should be quite a lot bigger than apache |
| 08:37.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if it's just some virtual vnc thingie... dunno |
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| 08:38.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, try to do something that WORKS |
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| 08:38.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | from the amount of effort spent on that, you can decide if you want something faster that is more difficult to do |
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| 08:39.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can use ssh -X even from windows, but you have to have some X server running on the windows machine |
| 08:39.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | vnc is probably better |
| 08:39.48 | Yancho_ | nope - easyness is also a must - my sister has a no-idea on linux |
| 08:39.50 | qiyong | what's the meaning of first two chars in the shadow file ? |
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| 08:40.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
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| 08:40.37 | OpenTokix | CutMeOwnThroat: I meant he can ssh to the machine, and be at the localhost for that machine... - sorry if that confused you |
| 08:40.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're the 1st two chars of the username :) |
| 08:40.48 | gypsymauro | hi, there is a good LVM guide? not just about installation but covering adding phisical volumes, or repairing it if something goes wrong |
| 08:40.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | OpenTokix, that doesn't let you connect there with firefox |
| 08:41.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lvm |
| 08:41.16 | dpkg | methinks lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:41.25 | OpenTokix | CutMeOwnThroat: Why do you need firefox, cups has a perfectly fine cli-interface |
| 08:41.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps |
| 08:41.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I like the webinterface |
| 08:41.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | and actually |
| 08:43.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, dunno, some bad memories of lpadmin somehow... |
| 08:43.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... from sun-solaris times? huh, dunno |
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| 08:45.00 | Yancho_ | hmmm can't i set cups up as server - then i http into it? |
| 08:45.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
| 08:46.31 | Yancho_ | goodnight :) thanks alot for your help! |
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| 08:49.18 | DavidProck1981 | if i install testing, when it becomes stable, will my system be the new stable, Or the new codename for testing |
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| 08:52.24 | feitingen | DavidProck1981: if you install testing, your system will eventually become the new testing |
| 08:52.58 | DavidProck1981 | so it will never leave testing? |
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| 08:53.45 | DavidProck1981 | what version of ion3 is in testing |
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| 09:08.07 | AnnonyMouse1 | hey guys. has anyone else's KVM broken from the apt's "critical update"? I'm running hardy-64 |
| 09:08.54 | petemc | AnnonyMouse1: this is #debian |
| 09:09.13 | ananthgs | AnnonyMouse1: this is #debian |
| 09:09.31 | ananthgs | check out #ubuntu |
| 09:09.39 | AnnonyMouse1 | hi guys. i am |
| 09:09.43 | DavidProck1981 | where is hte testing iso |
| 09:09.50 | bolt-work | you don't think, therefore you're not |
| 09:09.54 | bolt-work | go to #ubuntu |
| 09:10.03 | AnnonyMouse1 | they suggest KVM/libvirt, & they in turn suggest deb |
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| 09:10.27 | AnnonyMouse1 | ubuntu is close enough to deb for issues to be related... |
| 09:10.49 | bolt-work | !ubuntu |
| 09:10.49 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 09:11.42 | ananthgs | yes we all agree... but a debian apt update and an ubuntu apt update are completely different.... |
| 09:11.52 | DavidProck1981 | what should the nano /etc/apt/sources.list look like for testing |
| 09:12.10 | ananthgs | i meant the critical update |
| 09:12.11 | DavidProck1981 | oopa take out hte nano lol |
| 09:12.18 | AnnonyMouse1 | interresting. i didn't know there was such a big diff |
| 09:12.22 | bolt-work | afaik, there's not even anything called a "critical update" in debian |
| 09:12.33 | bolt-work | there's just security updates |
| 09:12.42 | bolt-work | and other updates for testing/sid |
| 09:12.45 | ananthgs | yep what bolt-work said is correct...we have only security updates |
| 09:12.56 | AnnonyMouse1 | I'be been using deb in my sources.list as-is & used the same command syntax for a while now without much discomfort |
| 09:13.17 | AnnonyMouse1 | smaller diff than say to RH or BSD |
| 09:13.19 | bolt-work | AnnonyMouse1: that still doesn't make your question on-topic here |
| 09:13.28 | AnnonyMouse1 | tru |
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| 09:13.48 | ananthgs | yes it works since aptitude of ubuntu originated from debian |
| 09:13.53 | AnnonyMouse1 | so I take it no-one here are getting issues whith a KVM patch? |
| 09:14.08 | bolt-work | we probably don't even have that specific patch |
| 09:14.42 | AnnonyMouse1 | thanx fellas |
| 09:14.49 | sebastien__ | !wireless |
| 09:14.49 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <rt2x00>, <rt28xx>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 09:15.07 | bolt-work | huh? |
| 09:15.19 | ananthgs | u r wc. |
| 09:15.44 | sebastien__ | should ask in private |
| 09:15.51 | bolt-work | yep |
| 09:16.00 | ananthgs | yeah |
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| 09:23.54 | mustu | i've installed GRUB2 . now it ask to use upgrade-from-grub-legacy to fully configure it. where to type it |
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| 09:25.35 | DavidProck1981 | does the debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso let you use wlan device |
| 09:29.10 | AnnonyMouse1 | does this info relate to debian, ubuntu, or both?: http://pastebin.com/m53670cc4 |
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| 09:29.57 | hrw | morning |
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| 09:30.11 | AnnonyMouse1 | ey |
| 09:30.42 | jelly | AnnonyMouse1: it looks like an ubuntu package |
| 09:31.01 | hrw | someone knows how to generate site-packages/ for python 2.6 in debian? I installed python2.6 from experimental and want to use it as default version |
| 09:31.07 | AnnonyMouse1 | so not a kvm or deb problem. thanks 4 the info guys |
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| 09:32.32 | hrw | or should I rebuild all of them? |
| 09:32.34 | jelly | AnnonyMouse1: the issue may or may not exist in some Debian release, but it's on you to reproduce it in Debian to be, er, eligible for support in here |
| 09:33.05 | AnnonyMouse1 | jelly : irony is that my deb's are INside my vm's |
| 09:34.47 | AnnonyMouse1 | thnx guys. c u l8r |
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| 09:36.49 | ||arifaX | Hi, I got an openvpn server on debian etch. I need to reinstall it on a different hardware. I want to keep all my certs and stuff. What do I have to copy/migrate to do it right? |
| 09:38.13 | jelly | ||arifaX: does "different hardware" mean a different architecture? |
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| 09:38.54 | jelly | ||arifaX: if it's not, you can just copy the whole system |
| 09:39.14 | jelly | (no need for reinstallation) |
| 09:39.30 | ||arifaX | copy would be my first try |
| 09:39.31 | ||arifaX | jelly: both are 64 bit. I will install from scratch but I want to now what to keep and where the certs are so none of my users needs any update wiht their openvpn client |
| 09:39.46 | ||arifaX | jelly: I also think maybe going to lenny would be fine now? |
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| 09:40.06 | jelly | ||arifaX: is there some other reason for reinstallation? |
| 09:40.40 | jelly | ||arifaX: (btw, I won't be able to answer on openvpn specific issues) |
| 09:40.54 | ||arifaX | jelly: maybe going to lenny. and maybe some incompatibilities with hp agents already present on old system |
| 09:41.07 | ||arifaX | jelly: so I would go from scratch |
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| 09:41.39 | jelly | ||arifaX: of of the better things about Debian is that you almost never need to reinstall |
| 09:41.43 | jelly | one of* |
| 09:41.49 | ||arifaX | just need my certs. I am mostly a win admin so question is, where are the certs, the ca and so and is copying over to new system ok for working as before |
| 09:43.20 | jelly | yah, that's what I can't help you with. General tips: dpkg -L packagename will tell you about the package contents. configuration is usually, but not always, in /etc/packagename, and volatile data can be in /var/*/packagename |
| 09:44.02 | creature_ | !skype |
| 09:44.02 | dpkg | from memory, skype is a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <pidgin> or <linphone> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 09:44.05 | ||arifaX | I see |
| 09:44.19 | creature_ | i wonder what happends if i install the Debian Etch skype package from skype.com |
| 09:44.22 | creature_ | to debian lenny |
| 09:45.01 | jelly | creature_: it'll eat your cat. |
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| 09:45.25 | creature_ | ill try |
| 09:45.35 | creature_ | and im gonna rage so bad if it fucks everything up |
| 09:46.10 | a_ | i wonder what happen if i run a elf exe from opensolaris under debian lenny. this to work?? |
| 09:46.14 | jelly | creature_: it's ok as long as you don't do it here |
| 09:46.23 | creature_ | yea im gonna do it rite herre |
| 09:46.37 | creature_ | so you better hope it works ok |
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| 09:47.08 | jelly | creature_: should that happen, you'd likely get kicked about offtopic raging |
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| 09:47.23 | jelly | only supported distro crap raging is allowed |
| 09:47.29 | creature_ | Setting up skype (2.0.0.72-1) ... |
| 09:47.33 | creature_ | i think it worked tho |
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| 09:50.37 | eeebittin | Somone know how to install Debian on an eeepc in an easy way? |
| 09:50.59 | jelly | !eeepc |
| 09:50.59 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>. #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 10:05.01 | jascott | can someone help me login to a new mysql db via 'mysql' (on lenny) |
| 10:05.02 | jascott | ? |
| 10:06.29 | scrieler | with or without phpmyadmin? |
| 10:06.48 | jelly | jascott: did you forget mysql's root password? |
| 10:07.06 | jelly | jascott: or do you just not know the syntax |
| 10:07.07 | jascott | using mysql from the cmdline |
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| 10:07.46 | jascott | well i installed it and it got borked.. i finally got a clean install (i think).. it starts and stops without error |
| 10:07.56 | jascott | but no password was set on the last install |
| 10:07.57 | scrieler | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=634943 |
| 10:08.20 | Danielss89 | Hi, when i upload files with ftp to my server, it gives them the chmod 700, so that i cant access them from the internet. How can i make the user upload with 755 as standard chmod? |
| 10:08.47 | jelly | jascott: so it seems to be the former? /msg dpkg ifmrp |
| 10:08.50 | OpenTokix | jascott: when you install on lenny, it askes you to set a password for the root user |
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| 10:09.55 | jascott | when i try 'mysqld --skip-grant-tables' it complains about me being root |
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| 10:10.45 | jelly | jascott: I haven't done it in a while, but that's possibly expected |
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| 10:11.02 | jascott | jelly: whats /msg dpkg ifmrp |
| 10:11.14 | jelly | jascott: an irc command |
| 10:11.25 | jascott | though so |
| 10:12.39 | jelly | jascott: "dpkg" the bot should have replied with steps needed to change the password |
| 10:12.53 | jascott | so by default on lenny 'mysql -u root -p' should work? |
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| 10:13.29 | jelly | sure |
| 10:13.54 | jelly | ... if you give it the correct password |
| 10:14.50 | jascott | the first time i installed it, I set a password.. but could never get in.. so i reinstalled.. big mistake |
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| 10:15.45 | jascott | HFS!!!! its working |
| 10:15.55 | jascott | thanks |
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| 10:16.21 | jelly | heavenly fresh scones ftw. |
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| 10:17.19 | jascott | DCCs baked goods to jelly.. |
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| 10:29.34 | jascott | any reason why after I install apache2 php5-mysql.. now I cant login |
| 10:30.03 | petemc | you might want to peruse some documentation |
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| 10:32.25 | jascott | hmm might be because i restarted the server and now /etc/init.d/status says nothing as does 'start' |
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| 10:32.43 | jascott | /etc/init,d/mysql status that is |
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| 10:33.25 | jelly | jascott: pastebin the output of dpkg -l mysql\* |
| 10:35.18 | jascott | http://pastebin.com/m1282f90a |
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| 10:37.54 | jascott | hmm |
| 10:37.58 | jascott | 5.0 |
| 10:38.41 | jascott | should I be installing 'mysql-community-server'? |
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| 10:41.01 | eeebittin | yay now my eeepc boots Debian 5.0 =) |
| 10:41.03 | jascott | jelly: ? |
| 10:41.23 | ettercap_ | is someone there using hsoconnect? ;) |
| 10:41.58 | jelly | jascott: your mysql-server-5.0 package seems not to be installed at all |
| 10:42.22 | ettercap_ | oh, gotta go |
| 10:42.23 | ettercap_ | see you |
| 10:42.27 | jelly | lunches |
| 10:42.48 | jascott | ah |
| 10:43.00 | jascott | course of action? |
| 10:45.03 | jascott | hrmm |
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| 10:45.50 | eeebittin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.23 | jascott | yay! |
| 10:46.39 | jascott | how does it run? |
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| 10:47.35 | jascott | jelly: i think i love you |
| 10:47.39 | jascott | ; p |
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| 10:51.20 | qiyong | NT MD4 password check failed |
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| 11:02.04 | olspookishmagus | hello... what is the difference of replying off-list to replying on-list on a debian mailing list? |
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| 11:06.40 | ShredZ | how come some file can be used as body for a mail with ssmtp and some files just yield an empty mail ? |
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| 11:16.40 | Crissi | hello, i have an problem with gettext and python on debian etch (http://paste.debian.net/36000/). on testing it works with all python versions, on etch not. i tried to upgrade the gettext to 0.17 (as testing has) but i got no success. and hints? |
| 11:16.41 | rush | What's the simplest program to lock X session? there is no xlock in Lenny ;( |
| 11:16.57 | RRockon | Hey I've got a bit of a hitch here. I had a previous installation of proftpd but I removed it because I wanted to start over configuring it (I'm still learning) but when I install it now I get no config options at all. I tried removing it with just apt-get remove and apt-get purge |
| 11:17.25 | petemc | RRockon: had you previously deleted the configs yourself? |
| 11:17.35 | RRockon | no I haven't |
| 11:18.22 | petemc | when you say no config options, do you mean no configuration file, or no configuration prompting from debconf? |
| 11:18.49 | RRockon | the latter, though I can't find proftpd.conf either. |
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| 11:19.05 | petemc | dpkg-reconfigure proftpd |
| 11:19.16 | RRockon | that doesn't work, oddly enough |
| 11:19.44 | petemc | it only asks you whether you want to run standalone or not anyway |
| 11:19.54 | petemc | do you not have any files in /etc/proftpd/ |
| 11:19.54 | RRockon | hmm |
| 11:19.55 | petemc | ? |
| 11:20.06 | RRockon | oh hey! That's where the where! |
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| 11:20.37 | RRockon | I guess the grass IS greener here after all :x |
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| 11:21.29 | devel0 | does anyone know how to disable escape keys in usplash during boot ? |
| 11:21.36 | devel0 | Alt+F1 brings the VTY back |
| 11:21.40 | devel0 | during usplash boot |
| 11:21.47 | devel0 | and I dont like that |
| 11:22.44 | \amethyst | Crissi: are you sure it works right in lenny? |
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| 11:22.57 | \amethyst | Crissi: it doesn't work for me in sid, and I don't see why it would |
| 11:23.19 | \amethyst | Crissi: you're supposed to translate the format string, not the filled-in version |
| 11:23.26 | olspookishmagus | which is the IRC channel/network where the debian mailing list administrators hang-out? |
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| 11:23.58 | Crissi | \amethyst: it must be work |
| 11:24.16 | \amethyst | Crissi: If you change it to print _('first: %s, second: %s, third: %s') % ('1', '2', '3') it does what you want |
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| 11:24.59 | RRockon | Hey can someone log into my ftp real quick to see if it works? ftp://rr.mooo.com - Login ftpuser, Pass ftpass |
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| 11:25.24 | Crissi | \amethyst: why it works here on lenny? |
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| 11:25.45 | Crissi | it must working because thats the normal way to use gettext |
| 11:25.59 | devel0 | RRockon, it works , cant set a port/pasv connection though |
| 11:26.14 | RRockon | really? |
| 11:26.16 | RRockon | ... |
| 11:26.19 | RRockon | what does that mean? :) |
| 11:27.22 | RRockon | oh wait this is about passive mode not working isn't it? |
| 11:27.42 | RRockon | NAT, my mortal enemy |
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| 11:29.02 | devel0 | heh |
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| 11:29.34 | RRockon | I only got it to work once before, but that was on a Win2K machine with Filezilla |
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| 11:29.41 | eeebittin | !eee |
| 11:29.42 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>. #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:29.44 | RRockon | I'm still not sure what I did to get it to work then |
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| 11:30.44 | RRockon | Anyway, it's that time of the week again. I'm off to take a shower |
| 11:30.47 | RRockon | later folks! |
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| 11:31.03 | \amethyst | Crissi: I have no idea what is happening on your system. It doesn't work on my sid or lenny machine (I get first: 1, second: 2, third: 3 three times) |
| 11:31.23 | Crissi | interesting |
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| 11:31.56 | Crissi | and with the method print _('first: %s, second: %s, third: %s') % ('1', '2', '3') it does? |
| 11:32.02 | \amethyst | Crissi: the only thing I can think of is if you had a translation for "first: 1, second: 2, third: 3" somewhere |
| 11:32.05 | \amethyst | Crissi: yes |
| 11:32.16 | Crissi | strange why it works here |
| 11:32.34 | Crissi | so i have to rewrite all _() calls |
| 11:32.45 | \amethyst | ones involving %, yes |
| 11:33.00 | \amethyst | _ looks up the exact string passed to it as an argument |
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| 11:36.09 | \amethyst | the string with %s does have a translation; the one with 1, 2, 3 does not (at least not in the .po file in the pastebin) |
| 11:37.10 | \amethyst | Crissi: oh, I have an idea what happened |
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| 11:37.36 | \amethyst | Crissi: in the pastebin: crissi@develop:~/python-gettext$ msgfmto -o locale/.../.mo locale/.../.po |
| 11:37.38 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
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| 11:38.04 | aprendiz001 | I have problems with cyrus in debian etch |
| 11:38.08 | aprendiz001 | with the command ipurge |
| 11:38.17 | \amethyst | Crissi: if you tried to run 'msgfmto' instead of 'msgfmt', the mo file wouldn't have been updated, so you might be dealing with an old version of the .mo file on the testing machine |
| 11:38.22 | aprendiz001 | I have used: ipurge -f -d 30 f/user/frank/SPAM |
| 11:38.28 | aprendiz001 | and : ipurge -f -d 30 /user/frank/SPAM |
| 11:38.33 | aprendiz001 | and give an error of syntax |
| 11:38.37 | aprendiz001 | any help please? |
| 11:39.04 | abrotman | aprendiz001: for starters .. stating all of your problem on one line would be nice |
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| 11:39.46 | aprendiz001 | abrotman, ok, sorry |
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| 11:40.09 | \amethyst | aprendiz001: google suggests user.frank.SPAM |
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| 11:41.33 | aprendiz001 | \amethyst the same error |
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| 11:43.09 | Crissi | msgfmt -o <outfile> |
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| 12:08.49 | maxagaz | how to open a file on a remote machine, and accessible from sudo, using emacs ? |
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| 12:16.55 | devyll | are there any custom debian iso's for products like Dell r300 server ? |
| 12:18.40 | nkuttler | maxagaz: heh? |
| 12:19.08 | abrotman | devyll: why do you need one? |
| 12:20.42 | devyll | well , first I need Etch. The whole infrastructure cannot be upgradet to lenny yet, but we are working on it. and second, Etch doesn't have BNX2 eth drivers necesarry for the eth on the R300. I can modify the kernel manually but I need an iso with that. |
| 12:21.19 | abrotman | did you try the etchnhalf ISOs? |
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| 12:21.25 | abrotman | s/ISOs/netinst/ |
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| 12:22.24 | devyll | abrotman: no, never heard about them. |
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| 12:23.36 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r8/i386/iso-cd/ ... the etchnhalf netinst has a .24 .. if that would have your bnx2 driver ? |
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| 12:25.03 | devyll | abrotman: probably is what I was looking for. hope it's not comming with other unnecesarry things in it . I will research it, thanks a lot |
| 12:25.16 | abrotman | !etchnhalf |
| 12:25.16 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 12:26.58 | devyll | abrotman: great, thanks a lot |
| 12:27.18 | abrotman | don't thank me unless it works :) |
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| 12:32.36 | mfdavid | hi all. I want to install debian on a simple machine with no cdrom, floppy and no HD. I will install debian on a usb pen drive. My question is: if a plug the usb on my regular desktop and install a minimal debian distro on it, and then plug in on my thin computer and boot from usb and then install the rest of the OS there from the web, will this work ok? |
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| 12:33.03 | petemc | mfdavid: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 12:33.04 | ethanol | mfdavid: get a netinstall image, use that |
| 12:33.11 | ethanol | oh x: |
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| 12:34.15 | ethanol | mfdavid: I don't think you can 'install' debain on the usb stick and just use it on any machine. you could put an installer image on it? |
| 12:34.30 | ethanol | oh wait |
| 12:34.31 | ethanol | no HD |
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| 12:34.47 | ethanol | I get it now :> |
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| 12:35.34 | mfdavid | :) |
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| 12:37.43 | mfdavid | I know I can put the install image on the usb and install from there. But then I will need 2 pen drives right? On one I put the install image and the second I use to install the system itself. Or can I use the same pen drive to install the OS?! |
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| 12:37.59 | ethanol | mfdavid: if you partition it, sure? |
| 12:38.16 | mfdavid | right. I see. |
| 12:38.26 | petemc | if only there were instructions somewhere, or some sort of 'installation guide'.. |
| 12:38.30 | ethanol | as in, put the installer image on one partition, keep seperate space for other partitions of the os |
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| 12:38.56 | ethanol | at least, I would figure that |
| 12:38.59 | ethanol | :x |
| 12:39.17 | mfdavid | petemc: I read it. But my questions are not there. |
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| 12:39.28 | petemc | mfdavid: what did you read? |
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| 12:40.24 | mfdavid | petemc: the installation guide from debian.org on how to install on a usb. The 2 methods (the simple one with 256mb limitation and the "flexible" one). |
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| 12:52.47 | SliMM | hello |
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| 12:54.13 | SliMM | i have just installed lenny and I have a problem with my Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 wireless card |
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| 12:57.29 | lillis | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.46 | lillis | You'll have a higher chance of getting help if you explain what's wrong instead of waiting for someone to ask you about it :) |
| 12:58.31 | SliMM | lillis: yes, you're right, i thought it was obvious |
| 12:58.40 | SliMM | lillis: well, it isn't working |
| 12:58.47 | nkuttler | !errors |
| 12:58.47 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors, or - ask me about <localized errors> too |
| 12:59.08 | lillis | SliMM: so you installed debian lenny and tried using wireless but it doesn't work? |
| 12:59.11 | SliMM | lillis: i don't see any interface for int in ifconfig |
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| 12:59.35 | SliMM | lillis: yes |
| 12:59.49 | lillis | Whenever I have problem with wifi under Debian I go here and usually manage to find a solution: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 12:59.56 | lillis | Did you install it with or without X? |
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| 13:00.03 | SliMM | lillis: without |
| 13:00.22 | lillis | Ah. Well you will probably need to download some firmware and wireless tools. Check the wiki link, it's good help |
| 13:00.27 | nkuttler | SliMM: pastebin the relevant parts of /var/log/messages and dmesg |
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| 13:01.37 | SliMM | nkuttler: i don't really know how logs work, so i don't really know what you mean by relevant parts |
| 13:01.55 | nkuttler | !tell SliMM about b43 |
| 13:02.23 | vdelau | hi all, can somebody help me with some Linux / LAMP stack tuning? |
| 13:02.26 | petemc | SliMM: you cant read text? |
| 13:02.27 | vdelau | I'm having some problems after we got some media attention |
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| 13:02.47 | nkuttler | vdelau: can you be more precise? |
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| 13:03.43 | vdelau | nkuttler: The server is under extreme load, but I can't really assess the root cause |
| 13:03.56 | nkuttler | vdelau: top is a good start |
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| 13:04.32 | vdelau | well, Apache is very busy and has a lot of forked processes |
| 13:04.50 | nkuttler | vdelau: ... and what kind of software is apache running? |
| 13:05.05 | vdelau | when looking at /server-status, a lot of processes claim to be writing (W) |
| 13:05.24 | vdelau | Apache 2.2, MySQL 5.1, PHP 5.2 |
| 13:05.50 | nkuttler | vdelau: hand written php? |
| 13:06.02 | nkuttler | this is like pulling teeth.. |
| 13:06.30 | vdelau | Zend Framework, which might account for the processor power beijng used |
| 13:07.10 | nkuttler | vdelau: never worked with zend. besides the obvious stuff like installing a php and mysql cach, try #zend or whereever their support is |
| 13:07.11 | vdelau | Is there a way to see how busy the HD and network connection is? |
| 13:07.26 | petemc | iotop |
| 13:07.26 | vdelau | nkuttler: APC is installed |
| 13:07.52 | petemc | and jnettop for traffic, tho perhaps theres something better |
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| 13:08.34 | vdelau | petemc: i'll give them a try |
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| 13:10.29 | maximi89 | hiu people |
| 13:10.34 | vdelau | nkuttler: The use of ZF is not really relevant. If I can conclude that the PHP application as a whole is causing the excessive load, I know what to tweek |
| 13:10.38 | maximi89 | struner? cutmeown? |
| 13:11.14 | maximi89 | struner_: hi |
| 13:11.15 | SliMM | how do I set the layout variant for a certain language with setxkbmap? |
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| 13:12.03 | maximi89 | creatuer_: hey! |
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| 13:13.12 | vdelau | petemc: iotop requires Linux kernel 2.6.20 and I'm running 2.6.18... |
| 13:14.14 | bartmon | Hi. I want to connect two boxes directly with an UTP cable but I'm not getting autoconf IPs on them automatically |
| 13:14.24 | bartmon | How can i make this happen? |
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| 13:15.16 | maximi89 | lol no body at home XD, well yesterday with my problem of grub, i donĂ´t know why the images initrd donĂ´t create so well, and when i disconnect all disk but only leaving one the system works nicely, but with all disk donĂ´t works well |
| 13:15.40 | maximi89 | today i going test what happen with more time, yesterday making the images all time gone |
| 13:16.01 | maximi89 | bye guys today i going to ask for more help! |
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| 13:18.20 | stew | bartmon: you want whatever replaced zeroconf |
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| 13:18.25 | stew | but I don't know what that is |
| 13:18.46 | stew | bartmon: avahi-autoipd I guess |
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| 13:21.39 | bartmon | stew: For now I've decided to assign a static ip to my server iface via /etc/network/interfaces but I'll probably use avahi for the workstation. Thanks! |
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| 13:24.00 | kc | hey does anyone know how to load up my NICs starting at eth0 and not at eth2. So instead of having my ifconfig show me eth2 and eth3, it should just show me eth0 and eth1 |
| 13:24.11 | kc | I tried pci=reverse in the boot params but that did not help |
| 13:24.22 | stew | kc: /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 13:26.50 | DimmuR | is back (gone 07:32:10) |
| 13:27.01 | stew | DimmuR: please turn that off in here |
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| 13:27.27 | DimmuR | stew, ok sry |
| 13:27.37 | SliMM1 | it works! |
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| 13:30.21 | Akuw | hi i am having problems to see hwdmediashare and youtube |
| 13:30.36 | Akuw | i can see video but in bad way |
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| 13:33.54 | Ponikola | Ăðèâüè âùüÏ. üùòß çäüùß çĂà òÎêè patch-o-matic ? |
| 13:34.10 | joosu | hi, it?s me, so question, is there an apt-command that could delete all but latest version of duplicate packages in /var/apt/cache/archives? |
| 13:34.41 | themill | joosu: depending on your sources.list, autoclean will do that. |
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| 13:35.35 | joosu | hmm, guess that should be karmic, but i would need something from jaunty times also |
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| 13:36.02 | themill | joosu: (a) that's likely to end badly (b) ask your ubuntu questions in #ubuntu |
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| 13:36.37 | joosu | themill: ah sorry..it?ss #debian |
| 13:36.44 | abrotman | jaunty is not debian |
| 13:37.15 | joosu | i am always thinking that i use debian not ubuntu.. |
| 13:37.26 | joosu | abrotma: yeah |
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| 13:41.03 | joosu | themill: but i think, that function really deletes all but the packages in cache, instead of leaving one copy of all packages -- that is a most recent version, right? |
| 13:41.21 | themill | joosu: man apt-get. |
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| 13:44.27 | junix | hi, i seem to having some problems getting debian to find a NIC card in Hyper-V |
| 13:44.55 | joosu | themill: yeah but there?s no autoclean |
| 13:45.17 | themill | joosu: there is on debian. Now please go to #ubuntu. |
| 13:45.39 | joosu | themill: ok i thought so,thanx |
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| 13:47.52 | berzerka | hi guys. i'm having a problem with a mixed testing/unstable system. i want to downgrade (i know that is not "supported" but i just need help using apt) all packages i have installed to their testing version again. thus i put Package: * Pin: release testing Pin-Priority: 1001 into /etc/apt/preferencess. but an apt-get upgrade doesn't install the version from testing. what could be wrong? |
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| 13:49.14 | themill | berzerka: it would be "a=testing" in the preferences file. You may also wish to /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 13:50.08 | berzerka | themill: thanks! i thought this syntax was also possible, read man apt_preferences l. 201 |
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| 13:51.46 | themill | berzerka: interesting... looks like a typo in the man page as it's not that way anywhere else. Check the output of "apt-cache policy" to see if/how the different syntax is interpreted. If that's wrong, then please check the bts and file a bug against the apt package with reportbug |
| 13:51.49 | funyun | is there any terminal command that will add 2 pictures together side by side as one? |
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| 13:52.16 | themill | funyun: montage from imagemagick |
| 13:54.10 | funyun | themill: with that i can just run a command from terminal to join them? |
| 13:54.11 | atlas95 | hi |
| 13:54.11 | berzerka | themill: simply changing the preferences doesn't impact the policy output. i guess both are equivalent. or may i have to do an apt-get update in between? |
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| 13:54.31 | atlas95 | could you help me for a rewrite rule, based uri and referer, i want to redirect http://www.foo.com/bar on http://www.foo.com if http://www.foo.com/bar have not http://www.foo.com in referer |
| 13:54.32 | themill | funyun: you'll probably need to give it some delightful options... see the imagemagick home page for details (and man montage) |
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| 13:55.16 | funyun | themill: okay, thanks |
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| 13:56.06 | themill | berzerka: looks like both syntax work fine. (no update required) |
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| 13:57.03 | berzerka | themill: interesting is, however, that apt-cache policy shows all testing sources with prio 990 (it's my default release) and not 1001 as specified in preferences. this explains why apt doesn't downgrade. |
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| 13:57.31 | themill | hates pinning problems |
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| 13:58.14 | virhilo | hello |
| 13:58.48 | virhilo | how do disable executng (not system)binaries by users |
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| 13:59.33 | beardy | Uninstall binaries or don't have users. |
| 13:59.42 | OpenTokix | virhilo: mount home as noexec |
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| 13:59.47 | berzerka | themill: aah, funny. the default-release setting in apt.conf.d takes priority over the manual pinning. if i remove the default release i get 1001 in policy output. i would expect it to be the other way around. now let's see how far the downgrade goes ;) |
| 14:00.00 | OpenTokix | virhilo: http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount |
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| 14:01.12 | valdyn | virhilo: thats a fucked up idea, what are you really trying to do? |
| 14:01.48 | themill | noexec can be quite sensible depending on the situation |
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| 14:02.26 | stew | it won't help if you want SOME users (like root) to be able to execute though |
| 14:02.35 | beardy | So can <insert note about inserting here>. |
| 14:03.25 | themill | Of course. noexec on /home, /tmp and /srv/www or similar can be a useful second line of defence though. |
| 14:03.33 | themill | s/second/last/ |
| 14:04.00 | beardy | That's true. |
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| 14:05.21 | themill | (only against script kiddies, but it saved me against an unpatched hole in RHL's bind packages once upon a time) |
| 14:05.23 | Hideme | Is mod_auth_mysql available for Debian 5? |
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| 14:07.22 | abrotman | Hideme: ISTR it is not |
| 14:07.28 | abrotman | oh .. wrong |
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| 14:07.39 | abrotman | judd: verisons libapache2-mod-auth-mysql |
| 14:07.39 | judd | abrotman: Error: "verisons" is not a valid command. |
| 14:07.45 | abrotman | judd: versions libapache2-mod-auth-mysql |
| 14:07.46 | judd | abrotman: libapache2-mod-auth-mysql -- lenny: 4.3.9-11 sid: 4.3.9-11 squeeze: 4.3.9-11 |
| 14:08.11 | Hideme | Ummm |
| 14:08.14 | Hideme | So is that a yes? |
| 14:08.15 | Hideme | lol |
| 14:08.34 | abrotman | yes, for apache2 |
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| 14:09.02 | virhilo | valdyn: i don't want to user may execute his own binaries:) |
| 14:09.29 | Hideme | judd: versions perl critic |
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| 14:09.31 | judd | Hideme: perl -- etch: 5.8.8-7etch6 etch-security: 5.8.8-7etch6 lenny: 5.10.0-19 squeeze: 5.10.0-19 sid: 5.10.0-22 |
| 14:09.41 | berzerka | themill: everything fine. downgraded (gcc and others) without issues and now manually pinned those packages i specifically need from unstable. thanks for your help! |
| 14:09.44 | abrotman | Hideme: you can use packages.debian.org to find this stuff |
| 14:09.48 | Hideme | judd: versions perl-critic |
| 14:09.49 | judd | Hideme: perl-critic -- |
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| 14:10.54 | themill | judd versions libperl-critic-perl |
| 14:10.54 | judd | themill: libperl-critic-perl -- lenny: 1.088-1 sid: 1.092-1 sid: 1.096-1 sid: 1.098-1 squeeze: 1.098-1 |
| 14:11.12 | themill | Hideme: "apt-cache search perl critic" will be more effective than trying to guess package names |
| 14:11.26 | abrotman | or using "http://packages.debian.org/perl-critic" |
| 14:11.30 | abrotman | which does show it also |
| 14:11.55 | themill | stew: ^^ see judd's last output. What's with "sid: sid: sid: sid:"? |
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| 14:12.10 | valdyn | virhilo: how are you going to do that? |
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| 14:12.31 | valdyn | virhilo: its not going to work, but keep trying |
| 14:12.38 | abrotman | themill: and why does squeeze have a newer version than sid ? |
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| 14:13.11 | themill | abrotman: it doesn't. Or at least, it doen't cf the last of the sid: versions. |
| 14:13.12 | valdyn | virhilo: every user able to "create binaries" should be able to run them on a unix system |
| 14:13.25 | abrotman | oh .. weird |
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| 14:13.44 | valdyn | virhilo: not because he "should",but because you cannot prevent that |
| 14:14.14 | valdyn | virhilo: noexec etc have a special use |
| 14:14.26 | valdyn | virhilo: ..which is not preventing code to be run |
| 14:14.27 | virhilo | valdyn: grsec have that mechnism - maybe selinux which is out of box in debian have it too? |
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| 14:14.55 | valdyn | virhilo: i doubt grsec can do that |
| 14:15.01 | valdyn | virhilo: you just think it does |
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| 14:16.08 | themill | virhilo: with access to perl or python, no form of noexec is really going to help. |
| 14:16.37 | valdyn | virhilo: or a shell |
| 14:16.50 | valdyn | virhilo: you can hardly take away access to a shell from users |
| 14:16.52 | virhilo | 16:15 < dgrift> for example: |
| 14:16.52 | virhilo | 16:15 < dgrift> useradd -Z user_u joe |
| 14:16.53 | virhilo | 16:16 < dgrift> setsebool -P allow_user_exec_content off |
| 14:16.54 | virhilo | :P |
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| 14:17.04 | themill | that went well... |
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| 14:17.10 | themill | dpkg: tell virhilo about paste |
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| 14:17.45 | OpenTokix | I wanna know what his users are supposed to do |
| 14:18.47 | thechef | unlike the newest release of amarok, amarok 1.4.10 is not capable of scrobbling radio streams to last.fm (It only seems to report playback of local files). Is there a way to install all dependencies required for the newest release of amarok without removing kde3.5? |
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| 14:24.56 | jelly | thechef: using only debian (source or binary) packaging, no |
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| 14:25.21 | Posterdati | hi |
| 14:25.27 | jelly | thechef: when did last.fm reallow scrobbling streams, btw? |
| 14:26.20 | thechef | jelly: i don't think that last.fm can now whether a song is listened over a stream or locally |
| 14:26.25 | thechef | *know |
| 14:26.34 | Posterdati | please I've got a problem installing debian 5.0 on a sun fire x4440: amd opteron with 4 sas hd. I did raid 10 on the four hd, but when the installer installs grub it fails, please help |
| 14:26.59 | jelly | thechef: perhaps not, but their API either asked or recommended not to scrobble streams |
| 14:27.18 | lbt | I want to ask about packaging... is this the best place? Specifically, how do I get around "ignoring -sd option for native Debian package" |
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| 14:27.27 | abrotman | !tell lbt about mentors |
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| 14:27.41 | jelly | thechef: (they had too much junk metadata that way and disabled it at some point) |
| 14:27.46 | lbt | ta abrotman |
| 14:27.49 | thechef | jelly: However I only listen to single streamed songs (over sockso), so it's not actually a radio stream I am listening to. |
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| 14:29.32 | jelly | Posterdati: software or hardware raid10? |
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| 14:29.49 | Posterdati | jelly: software using md |
| 14:30.02 | Posterdati | jelly: I'm using netinst for amd64 |
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| 14:30.22 | jelly | Posterdati: you'll have to a) either make a separate /boot using raid1, or b) try grub2 |
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| 14:30.47 | jelly | Posterdati: it's slightly interesting that they provide SAS disks, but no hw raid |
| 14:30.48 | Posterdati | jelly: how can I install grub2??? |
| 14:31.00 | jelly | Posterdati: the package is named "grub-pc" |
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| 14:31.25 | Posterdati | jelly: there is also hw raid, but I prefer the linux one |
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| 14:31.48 | jelly | Posterdati: oh, in that case you should already know grub doesn't do md raid |
| 14:32.06 | jelly | (grub legacy doesn't, that is) |
| 14:32.12 | Posterdati | jelly: ok, what about lilo? |
| 14:32.18 | jelly | no idea |
| 14:32.34 | Posterdati | jelly: so? |
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| 14:33.05 | jelly | Posterdati: "so"? |
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| 14:34.24 | rdz | is there a way to create an image of an ext3 partition, that has the size,that is actually used by the filesystem? when i do it with 'dd', the image has the same size as the whole partition. |
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| 14:35.05 | Posterdati | jelly: I've to create a /boot partition outside raid configuration? |
| 14:35.35 | jelly | Posterdati: yes, that's the simplest thing to do it you want grub 1 |
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| 14:35.38 | jelly | if* |
| 14:35.50 | jelly | you can make it md raid1 |
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| 14:36.46 | jelly | Posterdati: then you can either install grub manually on the other disk MBRs, or use lilo's support |
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| 14:37.30 | Posterdati | jelly: the hd should be a physical one? shouldn't it? |
| 14:38.06 | jelly | Posterdati: huh? |
| 14:38.27 | jelly | Posterdati: asking about grub's device.map? Yes |
| 14:38.34 | bolt-work | rdz: just compress the whole thing, with permissions, with tar |
| 14:39.02 | bolt-work | rdz: that'll be all the files on the drive. the only thing you'd lose is any fragmentation |
| 14:39.14 | rdz | bolt-work, thanks a lot |
| 14:39.46 | bolt-work | hm.. on second thought, not sure if tar can handle hard links |
| 14:39.53 | bolt-work | if you have any of them, you might get one file for each |
| 14:39.55 | rdz | bolt-work, do you happen to know the options, that need to be used to preserve everything? |
| 14:40.18 | rdz | bolt-work, you mean, that it probably would increase the resulting tar file? |
| 14:40.32 | rdz | i mean, if there'd be any hard links' |
| 14:40.33 | rdz | ? |
| 14:40.43 | bolt-work | rdz: you would probably get separate files for any hard linked files, yes. unless tar has an option to handle them. check the manual |
| 14:41.12 | bolt-work | rdz: there wont be any unless you've made them, afaik |
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| 14:43.04 | bolt-work | rdz: also, if you search apt for "backup", there are several tools available, some of which are probably better. i stick to tar anyway though. has saved me from crashing drives a few times :) |
| 14:43.19 | rdz | bolt-work, thanks for the hint |
| 14:43.40 | rdz | it be could to find a package format, that could be mounted |
| 14:43.54 | oliva | hi there ... I have set the MANPATH variable to a directory that contains some manpages but man command is unable to find them ... should I do anything more to display them? |
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| 14:56.12 | g00se | Is it normal in lenny to get warnings that Perl libs are untrusted? |
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| 14:56.29 | iamleneko | hi everybody |
| 14:57.10 | abrotman | g00se: can you put the warnning in a pastebin ? |
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| 14:59.20 | Sertse | hi, a question, is there a method to upgrade from sarge to lenny? |
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| 14:59.47 | Polarina | Sertse: That's a very old system. Upgrade to etch first. |
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| 15:06.11 | Administrator__ | i am unable to start X |
| 15:06.24 | Administrator__ | anybody alive |
| 15:06.44 | Dassu | :| everybody has burned their eyes because of gui |
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| 15:06.57 | Administrator__ | it shows me fatal error |
| 15:07.03 | ronr | !ask |
| 15:07.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:07.13 | ronr | !error |
| 15:07.13 | dpkg | The error is on line 89373 |
| 15:07.44 | saTTYdevil | yeah ! |
| 15:07.50 | ronr | dpkg: tell saTTYdevil about errors |
| 15:07.53 | abrotman | saTTYdevil: did you look at the logs yet? |
| 15:08.11 | creature_ | ronr: could i ask if anyone uses X |
| 15:08.13 | saTTYdevil | i am on windos now to ask |
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| 15:08.55 | abrotman | non-GUI irc clients exist in linux |
| 15:08.57 | saTTYdevil | it installed sucessfully ! it started at first time then its gone |
| 15:09.09 | abrotman | if you don't have any errors or anything like a log, we won't be able to help much |
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| 15:09.20 | abrotman | what installed successfully? |
| 15:09.34 | saTTYdevil | Debian leany |
| 15:09.42 | saTTYdevil | with GNOME |
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| 15:10.06 | stew | debian with poor posture |
| 15:10.28 | saTTYdevil | how fix Xorg.conf |
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| 15:10.51 | ronr | saTTYdevil: if you run X from cli, does X crash? if it does, it'll tell the location of a log file with all info |
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| 15:11.26 | abrotman | saTTYdevil: you need the error files .. "doesn't work" doesn't mean much to us |
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| 15:11.42 | saTTYdevil | yeah ! |
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| 15:12.10 | saTTYdevil | where exactly the error file is ? |
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| 15:14.45 | peterrooney | abrotman: yes it does, it means it sits on the couch all day. |
| 15:15.01 | g00se_ | abrotman: unfortunately have http probs so can't pastebin. Anything else poss? |
| 15:15.04 | ajavid | good morning |
| 15:15.18 | abrotman | g00se_: uh what? |
| 15:15.33 | ajavid | what http probs? |
| 15:15.47 | g00se_ | abrotman: The Perl module thing ;-) |
| 15:16.03 | abrotman | g00se_: oh .. i thought you meant the other guy .. |
| 15:16.11 | abrotman | g00se_: are you IRCing from the same machien? |
| 15:16.19 | dob1 | there is some way (other that compiling from source) to have in lenny iptables >= 1.4.3.2 ? |
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| 15:16.39 | zxd__ | can someone recommend on a nice calculator for X |
| 15:16.44 | g00se_ | abrotman: Yes |
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| 15:17.12 | dob1 | i looked at backports.org but no way there |
| 15:17.25 | abrotman | g00se_: you can use #flood if that's possible for you |
| 15:17.33 | gravity | zxd__: gnome-calculator is not bad. I like genius as well. |
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| 15:17.45 | gravity | Although I tend to just fire up a repl of some sort |
| 15:17.50 | justin | zxd__: xterm -e bc |
| 15:18.17 | ajavid | do you think that sub pixel font rendering is affected by if you are using dbus or dvi/hdmi? |
| 15:18.26 | ajavid | is the sub pixel font rendering better when using digital signal? |
| 15:18.27 | zxd__ | gravity, genius is command line? |
| 15:18.32 | ajavid | or does that not make a diff? |
| 15:18.37 | gravity | zxd__: No |
| 15:18.41 | ajavid | dsub* |
| 15:19.08 | zxd__ | gravity, hmm |
| 15:19.14 | zxd__ | genius> |
| 15:19.15 | gravity | zxd__: Or rather, it can be. I use the gnome-genius frontend always. |
| 15:19.19 | zxd__ | hmm |
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| 15:19.35 | g00se_ | abrotman: in flood now... |
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| 15:20.02 | gravity | Like I said, I tend to prefer a repl or one of emacs' calculation modes |
| 15:20.26 | ajavid | is the sub pixel font rendering better when using digital signal or is this my imaginations? |
| 15:20.34 | dob1 | or at least a way to install xtables-addons on lenny |
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| 15:20.45 | Flightbase | hi all |
| 15:20.56 | Flightbase | update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/lft corrupt: invalid update mode |
| 15:20.58 | themill | zxd__: kcalc isn't bad and I've heard good things about qalculate but not used it myself. |
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| 15:21.01 | zxd__ | Oh now I was looking for something like kde calc , or some dumb buttons thing |
| 15:21.20 | g00se_ | galculator good |
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| 15:21.30 | Flightbase | i tried to upgrade from gutsy to hardy on amd64 |
| 15:21.37 | ajavid | Flightbase, go to #ubuntu |
| 15:21.43 | ajavid | Flightbase, this is #debian |
| 15:21.51 | zxd__ | thanks |
| 15:21.53 | Flightbase | well ok ;) |
| 15:22.38 | ajavid | zxd__, kalc? |
| 15:22.44 | ajavid | kcalc? |
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| 15:23.02 | ajavid | I dunno anymore, I forgot, I stopped using kde along time ago |
| 15:23.05 | ajavid | like 2 days ago |
| 15:23.11 | ajavid | now I use xfce4 |
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| 15:24.18 | zxd__ | galgulator |
| 15:24.20 | zxd__ | looks good |
| 15:24.24 | zxd__ | galculator |
| 15:25.04 | jelly | !ops SeYTan onjoin spam |
| 15:25.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly complains about: SeYTan onjoin spam |
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| 15:25.17 | stew | jelly: thanks |
| 15:25.20 | ajavid | is the sub pixel font rendering better when using digital signal or what? |
| 15:25.20 | jelly | cheers |
| 15:26.08 | ajavid | I'm just wondering if it makes a difference. Is VGA lower quality than HDMI when using sub pixel stuff on lcd monitor? |
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| 15:26.49 | jelly | ajavid: you already asked that |
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| 15:26.58 | ajavid | yup and I'm not getting any answers |
| 15:27.02 | person2 | Hello |
| 15:27.20 | ajavid | ANYWHERE |
| 15:27.26 | petemc | ajavid: you should check your service level agreement |
| 15:27.30 | person2 | Aptitude seems to want to install a load of kde stuff nd remove some xorg stuff, perhaps due to something I told it to do a while back |
| 15:27.34 | ajavid | no one is able to tell me for sure if that can affect |
| 15:27.43 | ajavid | not in xorg,not in radeon, not in linux not here |
| 15:27.50 | person2 | How do I tell it to forget old orders I told it ages ago? |
| 15:27.50 | ajavid | I dunno, doesn't anyone know wtf is up with that? |
| 15:27.58 | person2 | I mean I don't want kde4 |
| 15:28.19 | cahoot | it's liak all the important questions in life - one has to figure them out oneself |
| 15:28.20 | jelly | Svi 12 15:10:05 <jelly> and using analog output can definitely make things worse |
| 15:28.21 | jelly | Svi 12 15:11:40 <jelly> ajavid: the default X server background pattern is useful when configuring VGA + LCD monitors |
| 15:28.22 | stew | person2: there is a "forget pending actions" in the actions menu |
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| 15:28.46 | ajavid | jelly, must have missed it |
| 15:28.57 | stew | person2: which i think is equivalent to "forget-new" on the cli |
| 15:28.57 | gravity | If you mean the stipple pattern, you'll probably need to run Xorg with -retro, iirc |
| 15:29.06 | gravity | The default pattern these days is flat black |
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| 15:29.18 | jelly | ajavid: you'll forever be stoned to me |
| 15:29.23 | ajavid | thats fine |
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| 15:29.48 | ajavid | I'm not always on here like I used to be, I go back and forth, must have missed it, but if you want to try and make me feel small than thas fine too |
| 15:29.52 | ajavid | have at it |
| 15:30.01 | person2 | Yay thanks stew |
| 15:30.12 | ajavid | so I'll try hdmi and see if that improves my sub pixel rendering |
| 15:30.14 | jelly | gravity: they changed it? :-| |
| 15:30.17 | smoofra | so i have a few packages that i've downloaded with "apt-get source" and then modified the source and installed them. Is there any way to tell apt not to upgrade them, but to tell me about any upgrades that exist? |
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| 15:30.29 | jelly | gravity: does xsetroot default to black, too? |
| 15:30.29 | ajavid | becuase right now, in my fonts I can see red/blue/greenish tiny pixels here n there |
| 15:30.30 | gravity | jelly: Yes. Very few people really liked it. |
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| 15:30.40 | gravity | jelly: That I don't know |
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| 15:30.42 | lord_rob | Hi ! I keep getting the error "OSS audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)" (This is the message displayed with VLC but I get simillar messages with other apps as well). Anyway my sound card works as I can hear logout sound in KDE for example so the problem seems to come from the OSS emulation layer of Alsa. Any idea ? |
| 15:31.00 | jelly | ajavid: definitely, use digital if you can |
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| 15:31.17 | ajavid | I was |
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| 15:31.25 | cahoot | lord_rob: whhy not use plain alsa output? |
| 15:31.29 | ajavid | I lost my hdmi cable during the move |
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| 15:31.48 | jelly | ajavid: Oh. I understood you were using VGA. |
| 15:31.50 | ajavid | but I never noticed anything about the fonts so thats why I'm asking if it would make a diff there |
| 15:32.02 | ajavid | I am using vga atm |
| 15:32.16 | ajavid | but I'm gonna go get a dvi/hdmi cable |
| 15:32.20 | jelly | ajavid: if you tuned the output optimally it's supposed to make minimal difference |
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| 15:32.43 | lord_rob | cahoot: vlc is not configured like that |
| 15:32.45 | jelly | ajavid: this means native resolution and correct phase/clock settings |
| 15:32.46 | ajavid | yeh I did, it shows colored pixels every now and again on some letters, where they are rounded off, where the hinting is |
| 15:32.55 | ajavid | jelly, yup, all good |
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| 15:32.58 | person2 | I'm trying to remove xfce4 but aptitude won't completely do it... and it's trying to remove xorg. |
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| 15:33.06 | cahoot | lord_rob: isn't that a choice one can make? |
| 15:33.09 | jelly | !remove xfce |
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| 15:33.13 | jelly | huh. |
| 15:33.30 | Gitschen | Who haw ? |
| 15:33.32 | Gitschen | :) |
| 15:33.42 | ajavid | oh gay |
| 15:33.48 | ajavid | *sigh* |
| 15:33.55 | ajavid | *afk* |
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| 15:33.56 | jelly | apparently people remove both gnome and kde often, but not xfce |
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| 15:34.31 | lord_rob | cahoot: I'm trying to do, but on my eee, the screen is so small that it's very difficult to change such options |
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| 15:35.02 | stew | ajavid: please don't use the term "gay" as a derrogatory adjective in here. its offensive to some |
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| 15:35.40 | Gitschen | jelly: xfce is made to be lean and mean while the other 2 requires many languages other then C to compile. Both of those are getting slower and slower so Later on xfce or another desktop will win alotta ground |
| 15:35.59 | stew | person2: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 15:36.31 | yareckon | Gitschen, until they all bloat up to catch up on features :) |
| 15:37.02 | Gitschen | stew: gay means merry as well, maybe its use could be good ? Just my cent on the dollar |
| 15:37.32 | azeem | Gitschen: please drop it |
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| 15:37.38 | Gitschen | yareckon: No, strict coding rules could be required. I like the GNOME panel though |
| 15:37.44 | dusted | stew, here is a excellent example of why one should not try to avoid offending people in general: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html |
| 15:37.50 | Gitschen | azeem: sorry for that |
| 15:37.56 | ariel_ | quick question, I am new but need to create a script or a way for a restricted user to reboot the system. I was trying to set something up like "su -c /sbin/reboot" but I need a way for it to now ask for a password. |
| 15:38.02 | ajavid | stew, my most sincere apologies. That was inconsiderate of me. Sorry. |
| 15:38.03 | jelly | Gitschen: xfce is getting all bloated up, on schedule. |
| 15:38.15 | jelly | hence lxde ;-) |
| 15:38.19 | person2 | stew: http://paste.debian.net/36025/ - thanks |
| 15:38.30 | Gitschen | jelly: haha, ok. Then maybe i should code my own. |
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| 15:38.32 | person2 | jelly yeah lxde does seem nice to me |
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| 15:38.35 | dusted | It can cost life to have people getting offended over nothing |
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| 15:38.51 | LiCeT | hi all |
| 15:38.58 | yareckon | Hi! |
| 15:39.05 | Gitschen | jelly: It would take a few months but im not slow on those things ;) |
| 15:39.08 | person2 | I'm just wondering why xfce keeps being slow and trying to start kde stuff without me telling it to in sessions and startup configuration these days |
| 15:39.13 | stew | person2: try "aptitude unmarkauto xorg" |
| 15:39.18 | ajavid | dusted, you may have your point. One of my family members is gay, and has taken a lot of shit during his lifetime, and I for one can actually understand what stew said. |
| 15:39.24 | person2 | I want to purge the thing from my system, homedir, etc and start afresh |
| 15:39.28 | person2 | Thanks stew |
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| 15:39.40 | caraconan | Hi. The output of lspci tells me 'ernel driver in use: Intel ICH', but I'm not sure exactly wich kernel module makes sound works. Any idea? |
| 15:39.57 | caraconan | My laptot, after a safe-upgrade, has lost sound |
| 15:40.14 | dusted | ajavid, I understand. |
| 15:40.21 | digicon | i am trying to make a .deb pkg and run into the problem using dh_make with this error: "make[1]: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop." |
| 15:40.29 | digicon | any ideas as to what might be happening? |
| 15:40.39 | ajavid | digicon, what are you debinaizing? |
| 15:40.43 | Gitschen | jelly: Ive done alot of neo-work (work full time+support community). My skills are.. fast, weird word for stills eh ;) |
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| 15:40.50 | dusted | digicon, you should have a clean rule in the makefile |
| 15:40.52 | ajavid | what do your rules look like? |
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| 15:40.58 | person2 | Thanks stew - now it's not removing loads of stuff, but it's not removing xfce4 properly. |
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| 15:41.04 | digicon | ajavid: a postgresql tool for PITR |
| 15:41.06 | dokin | I want to create an image of the first page from a pdf, anyone know what to use? I tried with pdfimages but realized that not every first page is an actual image. |
| 15:41.16 | digicon | something simple, but i need help in making it |
| 15:41.51 | person2 | stew: Perhaps some of xfce's deps are depended upon by other stuff? |
| 15:42.00 | dusted | digicon, it calls a rule in the makefile, clean, and make fails because the rule is not there |
| 15:42.24 | stew | person2: oh, i'm sorry, i was looking at the "it wants to remove xorg" problem, not the "it doesn't remove xfce4" problem |
| 15:42.35 | person2 | That's alright :) |
| 15:42.51 | caraconan | [Solved] |
| 15:43.08 | stew | person2: yes, it could be that some of the dependencies of xfce4 are still needed for other software, it also could be that some are marked as manual |
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| 15:43.36 | stew | person2: show us the output of " aptitude search '~i~Rxfce4' " |
| 15:43.46 | person2 | stew: This is possible because there may have been another metapackage I used to instal xfce stuff |
| 15:43.59 | digicon | dusted: http://paste.debian.net/36026/ |
| 15:44.01 | person2 | stew: Soemthing like xfce-desktop-environment but I can't find it >< |
| 15:44.01 | stew | person2: (this is "what stuff do I have installed which is a dependency of xfce4") |
| 15:44.03 | person2 | Thanks stew |
| 15:44.09 | Gitschen | jelly: IBM reviewed some of my works and i got alot of cool stuff to do this summer. One dude emailed me about additions to some applications with thoughts on adding LDAP support to them. The mail got lost unfortunately, i wish i could contact him again to get the correct params etc. Any ideea how this could be done ? |
| 15:44.10 | digicon | dusted: that is my clean rule |
| 15:44.18 | digicon | dusted: am i missing something? |
| 15:44.39 | azeem | Gitschen: please keep it on topic |
| 15:44.51 | Gitschen | azeem: Linux you mean ? |
| 15:44.54 | jelly | Gitschen: if you want, join #debian-offtopic for nonsupport chat |
| 15:45.04 | Gitschen | jelly: ok |
| 15:45.12 | dusted | digicon, hmm, it looks okay to me |
| 15:45.15 | person2 | stew: http://paste.debian.net/36027/ |
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| 15:46.39 | digicon | dusted: http://paste.debian.net/36028/ |
| 15:46.46 | digicon | that's the entire list |
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| 15:46.56 | LiCeT | hi |
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| 15:48.15 | dusted | digicon, hmm, it's looking for a distclean rule.. I don't know what that's supposed to to (never build a deb) but it can't find it |
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| 15:49.21 | person2 | stew: I'm thinking if we find out this package I had that was soemthing liem xfce-desktop-environment we could perhaps remove that and remove xfce4 to remove the deps? |
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| 15:50.35 | digicon | does anyone here have experience with creating deb packages using dh_make? |
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| 15:51.07 | stew | person2: hmm, most of those ARE marked as auto, so i'm not sure what is keeping them installed. can you show us what " aptitude search '~i~Dxfdesktop4' " returns? |
| 15:51.25 | stew | person2: (that's "what do I have installed that depends on Dxfdesktop4") |
| 15:51.31 | gravity | digicon: I've used it a bit over the years, although I usually just do it all by hand these days |
| 15:51.48 | person2 | i xfce4 - Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment |
| 15:51.48 | person2 | i A xfdesktop4 - Provides desktop background and root menu |
| 15:51.57 | stew | person2: oh, i thought we had removed xfce4 |
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| 15:52.09 | person2 | I didn't actually remove it; I said N |
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| 15:52.29 | digicon | gravity: can you see anything wrong with my clean rule (http://paste.debian.net/36026/) that lead to this error? http://paste.debian.net/36028/ |
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| 15:52.59 | person2 | After removing metapackage xfce4, it's just xfdesktop4 that is listed |
| 15:53.11 | devel0 | can someone explain why /usr/share/fonts/truetype/fireflysung.ttf is so needed in an X on debian ? its a large file and I want to get rid of it |
| 15:53.17 | plb_ | hm I've installed jfreechart from repositories on lenny but when I go to import it I get package org.jfree.chart does not exist |
| 15:53.19 | devel0 | its a chinese ttf |
| 15:53.32 | devel0 | i dont even speak/write chinese !!! |
| 15:53.50 | devel0 | if i try to remove the package , just about anything related to X gets wiped out |
| 15:53.51 | gravity | digicon: Your Makefile needs a clean target |
| 15:54.03 | gravity | digicon: That's wholly separate from your debian/rules file |
| 15:54.17 | themill | devel0: I can't find that file in any debian package. |
| 15:55.04 | g00se | abrotman: Http back in order pro tem. Please see http://pastebin.com/m60e6f6b2 for Perl warning |
| 15:55.09 | devel0 | how can i check which package has the file ? |
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| 15:55.11 | gravity | fonts shouldn't just be installed to truetype either, they should have a directory before that |
| 15:55.11 | stew | person2: try "aptitude why xfdesktop4" to see if it gives a reason why its keeping it |
| 15:55.13 | devel0 | dpkg --something ? |
| 15:55.14 | dpkg | i don't know, devel0 |
| 15:55.21 | person2 | stew: I was thinking it might be useful to see what depends upon any of the dependencies of xfce4 that aren't dependencies of any dependencies of xfce4. |
| 15:55.21 | themill | pllb: what does "when I import it" mean? |
| 15:55.47 | themill | devel0: dlocate, apt-file or dpkg -S depending on your purpose |
| 15:56.00 | devel0 | ttf-arphic-newsung is the package referred to |
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| 15:56.20 | digicon | gravity: where do i set that clean target? |
| 15:56.23 | person2 | stew: http://paste.debian.net/36030/ |
| 15:56.28 | gravity | digicon: You write in your Makefil |
| 15:56.37 | devel0 | when i try and remove , it moans that it will remove xutils n stuff |
| 15:56.38 | gravity | digicon: Your debian/rules is just running your Makefile targets |
| 15:56.39 | eOliva | there is some tool to scan the wireless network near me? |
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| 15:57.08 | gravity | digicon: You actually are calling for a distclean |
| 15:57.13 | devel0 | eOliva, aircrack-ng ? wireshark? |
| 15:57.21 | person2 | stew: forget that |
| 15:57.24 | digicon | gavity: this particular one doesn't have a Makefile...it's some python scripts |
| 15:57.26 | gravity | digicon: So you'll need that, or just change your debian/rules to call the clean target and write that |
| 15:57.28 | nick_h | i used èdpkg --set-selectionsè to mark a bunch of packages for installation. how do i actually install those marked packages now? |
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| 15:57.34 | person2 | That's with xfce4 removed. i tried removing it again, partially removing it. |
| 15:57.41 | devel0 | nick_h, apt-get install |
| 15:57.49 | gravity | digicon: Then write your debian/rules file to not call make. In that case, debian/rules can do all the work |
| 15:57.50 | digicon | gravity: do i just get rid of the clean rule? |
| 15:57.52 | azeem | digicon: then pastebin your debian/rules |
| 15:57.54 | azeem | !paste |
| 15:57.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 15:57.56 | person2 | Shall we do it wit the metapackage xfce4 installed or removed, stew? |
| 15:58.03 | devel0 | do i actually need xutils? |
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| 15:58.07 | gravity | digicon: Just go read about make. You need to learn how it works. |
| 15:58.25 | stew | person2: removed |
| 15:58.26 | gravity | digicon: If you don't understand the basics of make, you're going to absolutely fail |
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| 15:58.31 | nick_h | devel0: i ran èsudo apt-get installè, but it said thereôs nothing to do |
| 15:58.39 | eOliva | devel0, I mean something like those tools provided by the card vendor, to scan the available network I can join ( I think I expressed myself badly) |
| 15:58.44 | digicon | doesn't enjoy failing |
| 15:58.47 | person2 | oh okay. in which case the paste I gave you was what you wanted, I think |
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| 15:58.51 | devel0 | iwconfig scan |
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| 15:59.08 | gravity | digicon: make is pretty simple in theory. After 5 to 10 minutes of reading I bet you'll understand what your debian/rules is trying to do |
| 15:59.24 | gravity | At which point it'll be easy to fix it |
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| 15:59.44 | devel0 | screw it , im removing the damn chinese font , i dont even speak chinese |
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| 16:00.09 | pllb | themill: jfreechart is a java library, after i install I go to import but get errors |
| 16:00.46 | devel0 | I wish java didnt take up so much damn space |
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| 16:01.19 | eOliva | devel0, "iwconfig wlan0 scan" tells me that "scan" is an unknown comman |
| 16:01.23 | eOliva | *command |
| 16:01.39 | riot | anyone using umtsmon with vodafone? |
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| 16:02.09 | iamleneko | where is the .bashrc in debian ? |
| 16:02.36 | themill | pllb: I know what it is... so you're using "import org.jfree.chart" or similar it in your java sources? Are you telling your java compiler to look in /usr/share/java/? Is that .jar in your classpath? |
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| 16:03.06 | pllb | themill: is that the default path? Cause i see jfreechart jar in there |
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| 16:03.48 | jmarsden | iamleneko: The default .bashrc is is /etc/skel ; that is copied to the $HOME of each user when they are created. |
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| 16:03.58 | iamleneko | okey |
| 16:04.02 | iamleneko | thanks |
| 16:04.19 | jmarsden | np |
| 16:04.36 | devel0 | does anyone know of a small functional browser for an embedded system ? |
| 16:04.49 | devel0 | something that isnt a footprint hog like ffox and opera |
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| 16:05.10 | devel0 | that can do java and flash of course |
| 16:05.17 | person2 | Do packages ever get removed from the apt cache without me giving the command? |
| 16:05.26 | themill | pllb: You need to explicitly tell your compiler about any libraries you are planning to use. No idea what compiler/environment you are using though... |
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| 16:06.43 | iamleneko | devel0, maybe epiphany but i doubt it will be much less memory hungry than firefox |
| 16:07.04 | devel0 | couldnt care about the memory at this point , its the actual storage im considering |
| 16:07.06 | pllb | themill: how do I do that? I'm using standard sun java 6 in lenny repos |
| 16:07.10 | g00se_ | devel0: dillo is good for basic sites |
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| 16:07.14 | devel0 | dilo is so NOT an option , it doesnt do css properly |
| 16:07.23 | devel0 | but i did consider it originally |
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| 16:07.33 | devel0 | firefox is starting to look like IE |
| 16:07.34 | devel0 | :( |
| 16:07.42 | devel0 | at least its starting to feel like it |
| 16:07.52 | g00se_ | devel0: dillo is like a Rolls Royce compared to other 'lite' browsers |
| 16:08.12 | devel0 | ill keep an open mind and try it out |
| 16:08.15 | iamleneko | i never found firefox lighter than IE but damn more usefull |
| 16:08.26 | devel0 | iamleneko, ffox is good for myh dev'ing |
| 16:08.29 | themill | pllb: ages since I've done it by hand.... javac -classpath /usr/share/java/jfreechart.jar helloworld.java |
| 16:08.36 | iamleneko | devel0, hell yeah |
| 16:08.38 | themill | pllb: (or something close to that!) |
| 16:08.47 | pllb | oh ok thanks |
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| 16:08.51 | abrotman | g00se_: aptitude update && aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 16:08.51 | iamleneko | that is my favorite as well but not for his fastness |
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| 16:09.06 | kiraa | hey guys... I run debian lenny (5.0.1) and I ve noticed sth thats making me concerned a bit... after hours of running the machine I start getting the feeling that its slowing down... the machine has a prescott 3.2GHz and 2GB RAM.. any ideas? |
| 16:09.46 | g00se_ | abrotman: Thanks. But why just the Perl libs a prob? |
| 16:09.47 | bla | kiraa, install atop |
| 16:09.51 | devel0 | kiraa, have you monitored your processes at all ? |
| 16:10.00 | devel0 | +1 @ bla |
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| 16:10.04 | kiraa | I do mpnitor them, yes |
| 16:10.08 | kiraa | monitor* |
| 16:10.11 | devel0 | with what ? |
| 16:10.22 | jo4 | is there a way of allowing a user to delete specefic files without having write perms on the directory which the file resides in? acl is installed, but the user seems to need write perms on the directory |
| 16:10.22 | kiraa | top and ps |
| 16:10.32 | bla | kiraa, try atop - it really rocks. Shows bottlenecks. |
| 16:10.41 | kiraa | BLA |
| 16:10.45 | kiraa | bla: ok |
| 16:10.47 | bla | kiraa, like swap, disc, etc. |
| 16:10.52 | Dada_ | Hi there. I was wondering, how can I sync my Debian server's clock in the command line? |
| 16:11.15 | bla | Dada_, rdate -s <ntp server> |
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| 16:11.37 | kiraa | bla: but what could be the reason behind that? I mean that shouldnt happen in th first place, right? |
| 16:11.39 | bla | Dada_, or ntpdate client; not sure about package naming here; ntp* |
| 16:11.49 | Dada_ | yeah, there should be a package that does this routinely, right? |
| 16:11.51 | m1r | hello, can someone point me to DL link for debian etch ? |
| 16:12.02 | Dada_ | ah yeah, ntpdate it is |
| 16:12.04 | bla | kiraa, subjective feeling of slowing down is first - subjective. Second - won't help solving issue - if it exists. ;) |
| 16:12.18 | bla | kiraa, i can just answer for now: SOA#1 (works for me) |
| 16:12.21 | Dada_ | ntpdate and rdate both weren't installed, that might help explain why the clock was so far off! |
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| 16:12.34 | LiCeT | hi all |
| 16:12.36 | kiraa | bla: SOA? |
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| 16:12.45 | abrotman | g00se_: not sure .. you can use `apt-cache policy <pkg>` to see if they are coming from somewhere else |
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| 16:13.15 | jmarsden | m1r: Read http://debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ |
| 16:13.34 | m1r | jmarsden: many tnx mate |
| 16:13.49 | jmarsden | np |
| 16:14.12 | bla | kiraa, hmhm. SOA == "Standard Administrator Reply". I'm not sure how english counterpart is named. Never mind. ;) |
| 16:14.23 | kiraa | bla: I see |
| 16:14.45 | g00se_ | abrotman: Actually i've already got that keyring installed, so back to the drawing board |
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| 16:14.56 | abrotman | debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring ? |
| 16:15.06 | abrotman | g00se_: see which mirror the package is comfing from |
| 16:15.17 | g00se_ | abrotman: Ah - hang one |
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| 16:19.12 | FireSlash | Heh. when i upgraded to lenny, modutils was removed (obsolete) but it didn't install module-init-tools (for the lsmod it yanked, which is required for firehol)... I've been running without a firewall for months. |
| 16:19.22 | FireSlash | That'll teach me to ignore init errors :| |
| 16:19.26 | g00se_ | abrotman: coming from http://ftp.uk.debian.org |
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| 16:20.00 | g00se_ | abrotman: Both keyrings installed. Didn't fix the warning |
| 16:20.28 | abrotman | g00se_: and you've done the aptitude update ? |
| 16:21.11 | g00se_ | abrotman: Yes. I'll go through again just to make sure |
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| 16:22.34 | bor0 | what's a good console-only torrent? and is there one? |
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| 16:22.40 | bor0 | torrent client |
| 16:22.49 | beardy | People talk about rtorrent. |
| 16:23.30 | bor0 | can I use it without having the desktop installed? |
| 16:23.36 | stew | yes |
| 16:23.49 | bor0 | I'll try that, thank you |
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| 16:23.58 | darkweasel | does anyone know of a good tool to convert my whole ogg music library (many subdirectories) to mp3 or another format an ipod can understand, preserving all amarok metadata including ratings? |
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| 16:24.07 | stew | FireSlash: did you follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes? |
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| 16:24.37 | g00se_ | abrotman: Maybe this is all being caused by my http 'problems'? |
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| 16:27.46 | FireSlash | stew, instructions? Real men need no instructions! |
| 16:27.54 | FireSlash | ;) |
| 16:28.02 | FireSlash | (I skimmed them. And obviously misssed a part) |
| 16:28.45 | foetus | is there a way to use diff on binaries, like archives (bz2)? the created diffs are showing binaries only as comments..would be useful |
| 16:28.49 | stew | actually, i'd expect module-init-tools to have been installed in etch beofre the upgrade to lenny |
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| 16:29.33 | foetus | both sources are containing binaries and source, thats the problem. |
| 16:29.48 | g00se_ | I've just s/http:/ftp:/ on sources.list. Is that normally ok? |
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| 16:30.14 | LiCeT | can somebody tell me how to set oracle enviroment variables for debian? |
| 16:30.16 | hargut | can anyone of you help me to find the config file for setting the default tty 1-6 font? |
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| 16:32.09 | creator-cdsc | i recently installed Debian lenny. while setting up the partitions, i had created a partition (of type fat32) but i hadn't mounted it anywhere, how do i mount it now? |
| 16:32.35 | foetus | whats with my question, its urgent ..:) |
| 16:32.44 | oliva | hargut: /etc/console-tools/config |
| 16:33.20 | cahoot | creator-cdsc: try /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 16:34.56 | Polarina | I installed nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64 but glxinfo gives me an error saying "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"." |
| 16:35.23 | eraserhead | Polarina: be sure you activate it in xorg.conf |
| 16:35.41 | hargut | oliva: thx. |
| 16:35.46 | Polarina | eraserhead: xorg.conf is half empty with almost nothing in it. |
| 16:35.54 | eraserhead | Polarina: you have to fill it |
| 16:36.02 | Polarina | eraserhead: How? |
| 16:36.21 | foetus | so i must help myself.bye |
| 16:36.27 | eraserhead | run X --configure and you'll get a xorg.conf |
| 16:36.45 | Polarina | eraserhead: Unrecognized option: --configure |
| 16:37.02 | eraserhead | --config Polarina |
| 16:37.13 | Polarina | eraserhead: Same error. |
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| 16:37.38 | eraserhead | Polarina: X -configure |
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| 16:38.00 | Polarina | eraserhead: Server is already active for display 0 |
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| 16:38.36 | maligor | doesn't nvidia come with nvidia-config or some such |
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| 16:38.40 | eraserhead | Polarina: it created a file |
| 16:38.45 | eraserhead | check it |
| 16:38.46 | Polarina | eraserhead: It did not. |
| 16:38.49 | nick_h | i used èdpkg --set-selectionsè to mark a bunch of packages for installation. how do i actually install those marked packages now? i see no mention of the word èmarkè in apt-getôs manpage |
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| 16:39.52 | cahoot | nick_h: try /msg dpkg debian clone |
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| 16:39.59 | Dassu | Ok...so here's the deal. |
| 16:40.03 | eraserhead | Polarina: then stop X and run it |
| 16:40.26 | loco | hi, how can i check that i have wireless extensions support ? |
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| 16:40.46 | loco | i have 2.6.28 linux kernel version |
| 16:40.49 | nick_h | cahoot: thanks, mate |
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| 16:41.15 | Polarina | eraserhead: I just want a new xorg.conf file... |
| 16:41.28 | eraserhead | Polarina: that's what i'm trying to do |
| 16:41.49 | Polarina | eraserhead: I don't see why I need to stop the current server to generate a new file. |
| 16:41.52 | eraserhead | run the command and it will create one in the currect directory, Polarina |
| 16:42.19 | eraserhead | Polarina: you need to. 17:38 < Polarina> eraserhead: Server is already active for display 0" |
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| 16:43.35 | simion314 | hi, i have 2 coputers,one is running debian lenny the other is running arch or ubuntu, the arch computer has 2 ethernet card and shares the internet using firestarter with the debian box. The problem is with this debian box, after a random period of time it becomes locked out from the network and can't ping the other machine, restarting the networking does not help, and i have to reboot debian |
| 16:43.53 | simion314 | any ideea? dmesg shows no error or problemm |
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| 16:44.13 | jo4 | i need a way of allowing a specific user to delete a specific file without having write permission on the directory which contains it.. afaik, it can't be done with standard unix perms, but then what should i look into? |
| 16:44.22 | loco | hmm,i'v answered that miself, grep WIRELESS /boot/config-2.6.28 and it shows there with y, thing is i am trying to build madwifi-old-openhal and the build fails, and i think i have all the requirements |
| 16:44.35 | loco | build-essentials etc .. |
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| 16:44.39 | zophy | debian keeps getting even more betterer than it was betterer before |
| 16:44.41 | themill | jo4: always the same file to be deleted? |
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| 16:45.19 | Gitschen | <Gitschen> csmrFX: I love this one!!! http://pwn.nn.fi/kuvat/1185006177216.jpg |
| 16:45.19 | Gitschen | * skipjack (n=tobias@trir-4d0ba242.pool.mediaWays.net) gick in i ##linux |
| 16:45.19 | Gitschen | <Gitschen> Its awesomely perfect! |
| 16:45.19 | Gitschen | * oa_Bob5 (n=opera@84.205.193-77.rev.gaoland.net) har lämnat ##linux |
| 16:45.19 | Gitschen | <ForgeAus> thats because Fedore is based on Redhat |
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| 16:45.44 | loco | can i get some help please? anybody built madwifi-old-openhal with success? |
| 16:45.48 | loco | i need it badly |
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| 16:47.37 | jo4 | themill, no, well there's actually more than one file. but i just need some sort of approach to letting this user have "deletion permission" on the files |
| 16:48.18 | loco | i really can't find another versions to try, and i need it to fix an atheros eeprom, and the only tool to do that want;s madwifi-old-openhal |
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| 16:50.30 | jo4 | i tried setting it with setfacl, but the user still needs write permission on the directory.. and that's really not what i want |
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| 16:51.59 | jo4 | any pointer in somewhat of a direction would be helpful ;P |
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| 17:03.24 | alexidoia | hi there does anyone know what is the keyword to use in the xorg keycodes for the trigonometric value of PI ? |
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| 17:06.36 | zeta3 | what was the program that lets see my ip? |
| 17:07.00 | JPT | 142.20.142.246 |
| 17:07.01 | Manoj | ifconfig? |
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| 17:09.02 | cahoot | zeta3: unless you have a router |
| 17:09.19 | zeta3 | ah, thanks |
| 17:10.01 | mentor | s/the/a/ |
| 17:10.08 | abrotman | g00se__: it's possible |
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| 17:10.24 | mentor | cahoot: Well, that would depend on one's definition of 'my IP' |
| 17:10.33 | cahoot | agreed |
| 17:11.39 | mentor | abrotman is talking to himself again |
| 17:11.46 | abrotman | i am ? |
| 17:12.02 | mentor | Well, you appear to be. |
| 17:12.08 | beardy | beardy: Is he? |
| 17:12.18 | mentor | beardy wins |
| 17:12.20 | Firestarter | anyone know of a good how to for setting up a dialup server? |
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| 17:12.32 | abrotman | nah .. g00se__ said something after i went to lunch |
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| 17:12.53 | mentor | sure... |
| 17:13.12 | beardy | Firestarter: What is the purpose of this server? To allow you to connect using ppp to it, and get an internet connection, or to dial in and get a terminal? |
| 17:13.17 | abrotman | http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Modem-HOWTO-3.html |
| 17:13.46 | lvh | Hi. Does anyone know if it's possible to get a 32 bit mplayer running on 64 bit debian from debian packages? |
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| 17:13.51 | Firestarter | beardy: use internet connection |
| 17:13.59 | lvh | I know about --force-architecture, but it sounds like a bad idea. |
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| 17:14.19 | lvh | (I need a 32 bit binary to be able to use wma9dmo.dll, so I can re-encode to a decent format) |
| 17:14.47 | mentor | lvh: Possible, surely, as you can run a 32-bit chroot on a 64-bit kernel... Easy, good, etc. dunno |
| 17:14.47 | beardy | Firestarter: The server will connect using a modem to the Internet, or will you dial in TO your server? |
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| 17:15.51 | Firestarter | beardy: server has cable internet connection and I want to be able to connect to it with a dial up modem |
| 17:16.07 | beardy | Firestarter: Ok. |
| 17:16.09 | simion314 | i need to unpack rar archives if i do apt-cache search i find a unrar but if i try to install it i get that this package has no installation candidate , please help |
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| 17:17.37 | simion314 | found it is unrar-free |
| 17:18.17 | simion314 | nut is not working properly |
| 17:18.36 | mentor | unrar is in section non-free |
| 17:18.37 | mentor | oh |
| 17:18.56 | Firestarter | beardy: do you think this one will work for debian http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_dialin_server |
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| 17:21.27 | natalie | Hi, is there a way to get the contents of a zone file of a domain? |
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| 17:22.23 | Firestarter | beardy: only diference I can see is that my mgetty dir is /etc/mgetty and theirs is /etc/mgetty+sendfax/ |
| 17:22.26 | beardy | Firestarter: It is probably a good reference. I can't say if you can follow it to the letter, but use it as a guide. |
| 17:22.45 | beardy | Firestarter: Yes, things like that, you may have to look for things in different places, but yes. |
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| 17:24.12 | beardy | Firestarter: Look at the config files it mentions, it's very likely Debian's is better commented and has things in place, but commented out, then you use those and adapt. |
| 17:25.11 | Firestarter | beardy: ok |
| 17:25.15 | beardy | Firestarter: For example, /etc/inittab has an mgetty line already, at the bottom, as an example. |
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| 17:26.25 | beardy | Firestarter: It seems that that howto assumes it's a USB modem or something. |
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| 17:28.19 | Firestarter | beardy: hmmm. I do see that line in /etc/inittab it is much different than the one in the howto. Maybe I should read into mgetty and make one better for my setup |
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| 17:29.37 | beardy | Firestarter: The comments mention that it's for Redhat/Fedora. Here's a ranty one assuming Ubuntu http://derrick-caluag.blogspot.com/2006/10/how-to-setup-dial-in-server-on-linux.html |
| 17:30.08 | beardy | Firestarter: Yes, like I said, only use it as a loose guide/hints.. |
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| 17:30.50 | Firestarter | beardy: Thank you for the tips and the link |
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| 17:31.18 | beardy | Firestarter: You're better off investigating each step properly in Debian, like reading up on mgetty, when it mentions that, and then pppd, and do it in a better/proper/more "Debian Way". No problem, good luck, and ask if you get stuck. |
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| 17:31.58 | beardy | Firestarter: Also if you feel like it, write a better howto while you do it :) |
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| 17:33.30 | Firestarter | beardy: great idea once I get it figured out I think I will. I did a howto on using my nokia phone with wvdial and and my sierra wireless card |
| 17:33.53 | beardy | Firestarter: Great :) |
| 17:33.54 | beardy | !wiki |
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| 17:34.35 | e2dot718 | on debian squeeze, i am unable to set the package selection state to install for courier-imap. (e.g. echo "courier-imap install"|dpkg --set-selections) i am root. dpkg --get-selections|grep courier doesn't return anything. and there are no errors reported by set-selections. any ideas what i'm doing wrong? |
| 17:35.45 | beardy | Firestarter: If you do, you could also add it to http://wiki.debian.org/Internet_Connection_Sharing or some appropriate page. |
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| 17:36.08 | Firestarter | beardy: sure |
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| 17:38.24 | g00se__ | If i'm temporarily using a proxy, how do i tell the system about it? |
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| 17:38.47 | betz | Hi i did an aptitude upgrade, but some things are broken now, is there any log that i can see what has been upgraded? |
| 17:38.58 | module000 | g00se__: you tell the software individually about a proxy...ie...web browser or email client |
| 17:39.41 | g00se__ | module000: aptitude i'm thinking about |
| 17:39.48 | beardy | !http_proxy |
| 17:39.48 | dpkg | [http_proxy] export 'http_proxy=http://PROXY:port/' -- It can be used with apt-get or lynx or wget - the trailing slash is important!, or export 'http_proxy=http://username:password@proxy:port/' if you need to authenticate |
| 17:40.23 | grgdorn | Hi there. I'm trying to install debian here and the installer couldn't connect to any of the mirrors. I can ping various mirrors and I've tried to enter them manually in sources.list but apt-get just hangs. |
| 17:40.24 | g00se__ | beardy: Thanks - i'll try it |
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| 17:42.14 | g00se__ | I think i could have made a wrong assumption. I've got http probs at the moment and thought that's why i was getting "Err http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/non-free Packages 302 Found [IP: 195.20.242.89 80] |
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| 17:42.38 | g00se__ | ... but perhaps not? |
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| 17:47.47 | AlecTBM | hello |
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| 17:48.28 | AlecTBM | i managed to fuck up apt on my debain etch server |
| 17:48.46 | g00se__ | So why the 302 error above? |
| 17:48.57 | ranix | !fuck |
| 17:48.58 | dpkg | somebody said fuck was cool |
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| 17:49.18 | AlecTBM | ? |
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| 17:50.08 | Linux2008 | Announcement from The Linux Foundation: Linux.com just went live. Use the site and win a laptop signed by Linus himself. http://www.linux.com |
| 17:50.09 | AlecTBM | can anybody help me? |
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| 17:50.23 | jelly | Linux2008: yay spam! |
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| 17:50.33 | ranix | dpkg, tell AlecTBM -about ask |
| 17:50.40 | ranix | dpkg, tell AlecTBM -about doesn't work |
| 17:50.46 | AlecTBM | okey |
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| 17:51.23 | AlecTBM | yeyeye, know |
| 17:51.39 | ranix | Linux2008: How Do You Become a Linux Guru? |
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| 17:51.48 | Darkclaw66 | how can I grab the process of wget right when it's run? |
| 17:51.48 | ranix | Linux2008: Click My Blog Dashboard to begin the process of creating your own blog |
| 17:52.06 | ranix | Linux2008: respectfully, please GTFO and take your advertising with you |
| 17:52.22 | Darkclaw66 | anyone? |
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| 17:52.31 | AlecTBM | tried to update apt on my etch server from lenny source |
| 17:52.42 | AlecTBM | get http://pastebin.com/m2fdbde6e |
| 17:53.10 | AlecTBM | anytime I use apt to anything (not update) |
| 17:53.26 | ranix | sorry AlecTBM, haven't seen that sort of thing before. Was this from a dist-upgrade ? |
| 17:53.36 | AlecTBM | nopp |
| 17:54.20 | ranix | AlecTBM: what did you do to sources.list? |
| 17:54.20 | AlecTBM | just updateing som software |
| 17:54.20 | ranix | are you installing lenny packages to etch? |
| 17:54.20 | AlecTBM | added a lenny source |
| 17:54.20 | AlecTBM | japp |
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| 17:54.20 | ranix | AlecTBM: you have to upgrade your system to Lenny with an apt-get dist-upgrade with ALL sources Lenny before you can begin using Lenny packages |
| 17:54.27 | ranix | else, ask dpkg -about backports |
| 17:54.40 | jelly | AlecTBM: that's not a good idea unless you're planning a distro upgrade |
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| 17:54.47 | SparFux | Hello all. How the hell do I stop auto loading of certain modules? I find many mechanisms, but nothing works actually. Modprobe.d, motutils, modules, discover, hotplug, etc. |
| 17:55.05 | jelly | SparFux: which ones, exactly? |
| 17:55.09 | ranix | dpkg, tell SparFux -about blacklist |
| 17:55.23 | SparFux | jelly mISDN_{core,dsp} and hfcpci. |
| 17:55.33 | SparFux | I am using zaptel. |
| 17:55.53 | SparFux | ranix: dpkg ignores me again. hm... |
| 17:56.02 | ranix | hm |
| 17:56.04 | ranix | !blacklist |
| 17:56.04 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. |
| 17:56.11 | jelly | SparFux: do they get loaded by the kernel during the boot process, or when your app (presumably asterisk) is started? |
| 17:56.14 | SparFux | I have to find that out, too. |
| 17:56.21 | Darkclaw66 | how can I grab the pid of a program as soon as its run? |
| 17:56.39 | module000 | Darkclaw66: look for it with ps? |
| 17:56.43 | Darkclaw66 | as soon as its run |
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| 17:56.51 | module000 | Darkclaw66: monitor changes to /proc |
| 17:57.13 | Darkclaw66 | because I can have two processes with the same name |
| 17:57.17 | SparFux | jelly: by the kernel, I am almost positive. Early in the bootup process: May 11 01:22:55 res kernel: [ 20.363577] mISDN_hfcpci: found adapter Sitecom Connectivity DC-105 ISDN TA at 0000:01:02.0 |
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| 17:57.18 | jelly | SparFux: if it's the kernel, blacklisting the usual way (a file in /etc/modprobe.d/) should work; you might have to blacklist them in the initrd image too |
| 17:57.34 | SparFux | jelly: oh!!!!! good idea.... |
| 17:57.41 | SparFux | jelly: rebuild initrd!. hm.... |
| 17:57.42 | jelly | !blacklist initramfs |
| 17:58.02 | jelly | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 17:58.02 | dpkg | hmm... blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
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| 17:58.12 | module000 | Darkclaw66: then continiously monitor /proc for new PIDS |
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| 17:58.45 | SparFux | jelly: what is the better way? modutils/ or modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf? |
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| 17:59.22 | jelly | SparFux: the former only worked in 2.4 kernels and was replaced by the latter |
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| 17:59.33 | Darkclaw66 | module000 but I need the pid as soon as its run |
| 17:59.41 | SparFux | jelly: So I could remove the modutils dir, I guesss. |
| 17:59.53 | module000 | Darkclaw66: and that's how you get it. unless you want to go kernel hacking |
| 18:00.06 | Manoj | isn't it simpler to just figure out a configuration for your hardware, and build in the drivers needed, than go through this whole blacklisting rigmarole? |
| 18:00.12 | Darkclaw66 | module000 if I am running wget, why can't I get the pid as soon as its run? |
| 18:00.16 | jelly | SparFux: check that some leftover package doesn't still claim it |
| 18:00.26 | AlecTBM | well, i beleave I cant run a dist-upgrade now, since apt is puking error |
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| 18:00.43 | jelly | Manoj: "just figure out a configuration for your hardware" is simple? |
| 18:00.46 | Darkclaw66 | like a daemon |
| 18:00.59 | jelly | Manoj: then yes. |
| 18:01.01 | SparFux | dpkg --search modutils Yeah, cruft, setserial actually do require this. But I can perhaps deinstall setserial :-) |
| 18:01.02 | dpkg | You are moron #1, SparFux |
| 18:01.20 | jelly | SparFux: that's not what I told you to do |
| 18:02.00 | SparFux | jelly: ok. Thanks for the help. |
| 18:02.01 | jelly | SparFux: to search which installed package owns a file (or a directory): dpkg -S /etc/modutils |
| 18:02.13 | Darkclaw66 | module000 can't I wrap the entire statement to some program that will grab the pid so I can store it in a variable? |
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| 18:05.04 | SparFux | all: Ah, I have the PrivacyPlease module for pidgin installed and it doesn't allow privmsgs. But I added dpkg to my contacts list and so it can send me messages now. :-) |
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| 18:05.31 | SparFux | jelly: Well, it is only setserial which uses it. |
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| 18:07.13 | jelly | judd: dbugs 518313 |
| 18:07.13 | judd | jelly: Error: "dbugs" is not a valid command. |
| 18:07.36 | jelly | judd: bug 518313 |
| 18:07.53 | jelly | you're slow, judd |
| 18:08.00 | jelly | !dbugs 518313 |
| 18:08.03 | dpkg | #518313:N[setserial] installs obsolete /etc/modutils/setserial (); Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:51:04 UTC [] |
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| 18:08.51 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, this is irking me. running 2.6.29-2-amd64 from unstable, having a problem with my sound (snd_hda_intel). Kernels 2.6.26 (debian provided) and 2.6.28 (custom built) work properly. However, with 2.6.29, -1 and -2 (both deb provided), ALL audio is forced out of my headphone jack, even when no headphones are connected (as compared to the built in laptop speakers) |
| 18:09.16 | ScytheBlade1 | anyone know how I can get the sound to play from the internal speakers when there are no headphones connected, instead of _all the time_ ? |
| 18:09.25 | ScytheBlade1 | (or known bug? or should I file one?) |
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| 18:24.20 | devel0 | has anyone ever used a replacement X that is tiny for embedded devices? |
| 18:24.47 | maligor | what? kdrive? |
| 18:25.01 | el_critter | Hi, anyone knows how to enable "jack-sense" on an HDA Intel sound card? |
| 18:25.08 | devel0 | i need vast hardware support with the X server though |
| 18:25.26 | devel0 | I found a few projects that forked off from tinyX by Kieth Packard , however Im not too sure on how updated they are |
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| 18:25.50 | devel0 | wikipedia announces them as *was a small X replacement |
| 18:25.54 | devel0 | was is not a nice word |
| 18:25.55 | devel0 | :D |
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| 18:27.14 | devel0 | im just trying to find alternatives to the already bloated system im building , i need to cut it down seriously |
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| 18:27.35 | jetpda | z |
| 18:28.03 | devel0 | z? |
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| 18:28.06 | lillis | z. |
| 18:28.22 | devel0 | :) |
| 18:28.22 | maligor | isn't kdrive a part of the xorg source tree |
| 18:28.33 | maligor | I think you just configure it to build it |
| 18:28.39 | jetpda | yeh I'm hoping irc will wake me |
| 18:28.55 | devel0 | Z is a hard letter to google , even with adding keywords that make sense |
| 18:28.59 | gravity | Yes it is |
| 18:29.00 | devel0 | anyone got a direction for it ?> |
| 18:29.20 | gravity | The xserver's configure script |
| 18:29.24 | devel0 | has anyone played around with this wayland project ? |
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| 18:29.43 | gravity | Although you will just as likely win by stripping down the xfree86 ddx |
| 18:29.51 | jetpda | lart x300 support :)... j/k |
| 18:30.03 | epsas | there has to be a tiny x server |
| 18:30.18 | devel0 | im git'ing wayland as we speak |
| 18:30.21 | devel0 | worth checking out |
| 18:30.28 | gravity | devel0: You basically want the normal X server with a custom build |
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| 18:30.51 | gravity | epsas: That was "traditionally" kdrive, although the xfree86 server can be pretty close by what I've heard these days |
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| 18:31.00 | gravity | Just don't build the bits you don't care about |
| 18:31.51 | devel0 | in addition to making thigns smaller , does anyone have anything to say about uclibc ? |
| 18:32.02 | devel0 | im thikning of rebuilding every single package using uclibc |
| 18:32.12 | gravity | devel0: Check out emdebian instead |
| 18:32.14 | devel0 | i just dont want to take up the endeavor if its going to lead me nowhere |
| 18:32.29 | gravity | devel0: Also, why are you actually trying to do this? |
| 18:32.51 | devel0 | im on a mission to get a diskless distribution up |
| 18:32.53 | devel0 | no nfs or anything |
| 18:32.55 | devel0 | all in ram |
| 18:33.05 | devel0 | only has an x server , a browser , java and flash |
| 18:33.12 | devel0 | and massive hardware support |
| 18:33.21 | devel0 | and i currently have a squashfs file thats around 130 megs |
| 18:33.23 | gravity | "massive hardware support" |
| 18:33.25 | devel0 | need to shave it down |
| 18:33.53 | gravity | kdrive is not what you want if you want massive hardware support |
| 18:33.57 | jpinx-eeepc | I have a few things running which I want to leave alone, but I'd like to shut down X. How can I do that and how do I get X back again? |
| 18:33.58 | jetpda | modular massive hw support |
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| 18:34.31 | devel0 | jetpda, yep , i included /lib/modules/`uname -r` in the squashfile |
| 18:34.35 | gravity | jpinx-eeepc: I don't understand the question. Are these apps that rely on X? |
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| 18:34.45 | devel0 | can i actually replace some packages with emdebian packages? |
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| 18:34.53 | jpinx-eeepc | gravity - no - it's things like apache |
| 18:34.54 | gravity | devel0: I don't know |
| 18:35.00 | jetpda | !nohup |
| 18:35.03 | gravity | jpinx-eeepc: So you just want to restart X without restarting the system? |
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| 18:35.32 | jpinx-eeepc | gravity: I want to leave the box running without X for a few hours and then start X again |
| 18:35.36 | el_critter | Hi, anyone knows how to enable "jack-sense" on an HDA Intel sound card? |
| 18:35.38 | kW | Hello! How can I install debian remotely on an empty filesystem? |
| 18:35.46 | gravity | jpinx-eeepc: How did you start X? |
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| 18:36.02 | jpinx-eeepc | gravity: it started with the login |
| 18:36.04 | beardy | !stop x |
| 18:36.04 | dpkg | '/etc/init.d/?dm stop' where ?dm is xdm, kdm, gdm, or ?dm. Also ask me about "restart x" |
| 18:36.11 | gravity | As the factoid says |
| 18:36.13 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: ^^^ |
| 18:36.36 | jpinx-eeepc | Ah - thanks beardy gravity |
| 18:36.40 | jetpda | cp & chroot? |
| 18:37.26 | jelly | mmm... slim doesn't match ?dm |
| 18:37.35 | jetpda | cp -aP |
| 18:37.39 | beardy | Feel free to fix factoid. |
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| 18:38.14 | jelly | dpkg: stop x =~ s/gdm/gdm, slim/ |
| 18:38.14 | dpkg | OK, jelly |
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| 18:40.24 | yeretik | I have an vsftpd server and it's not writing logs... Any suggestion? |
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| 18:41.27 | module000 | yeretik: your /etc/vsftpd.conf is properly written? |
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| 18:43.37 | Morten_ | Hi, i get a python error when I use CompizConfig Settings, and was suggested to ask you, if you know what is wrong (I obvious use debian ;): http://pastie.org/477141 |
| 18:44.48 | adama__ | Morten_: I get this as well, it happens when you click a plugin button, and the button does not work? |
| 18:44.53 | yeretik | module000, http://pastebin.ca/1421825 <---- This is my vsftpd.conf file |
| 18:45.19 | Morten_ | adama__, yeah, exactly |
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| 18:47.10 | adama__ | Morten_: I never got any help here or in #compiz.... if you downgrade the compizconfig-settings-manager to 0.7.? (the lenny version) it will work again |
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| 18:47.24 | module000 | yeretik: your vsftpd.conf is wildly incomplete - but more importantly make /var/log writeable by the user running vsftpd |
| 18:47.43 | adama__ | this happens when you upgrade squeeze right, then CCSM is 0.8.2 and doesn't work |
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| 18:48.41 | Morten_ | adama__, do you know of any solutions? (the compiz-fusion just crashed on me...) |
| 18:49.35 | yeretik | module000, What other lines i need to uncomment/modify? |
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| 18:50.26 | module000 | yeretik: you need to look at the examples provided with vsftpd.conf, or read the manpage. also, give permissions to the UID running vsftpd for writing to /var/log |
| 18:51.06 | adama__ | Morten_: yes, set your sources to lenny, aptitude update, aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager=0.7.6-3, then change back to squeeze, and aptitude hold compizconfig-settings-manager |
| 18:52.27 | yeretik | module000, The user who runs vsftpd by default is root... Is it? |
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| 18:53.12 | Morten_ | adama__, cool. Thanks! |
| 18:53.58 | module000 | yeretik: depends how you are setup. use the example vsftpd.conf's to have an idea of how to set your up |
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| 18:54.16 | module000 | yeretik: they are in /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/EXAMPLE/ |
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| 18:54.58 | nkuttler | Morten_: and update after the hold... or man aptitude and -t |
| 18:55.57 | Darkclaw66 | what does the S flag mean in ps ? |
| 18:56.01 | greycat | sleeping |
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| 18:57.06 | Morten_ | nkuttler; yeah, I use the aptitude -t stable with the stable repo |
| 18:57.56 | nkuttler | Morten_: do you know about pdo? |
| 18:58.17 | Morten_ | nkuttler, no, haven't heard of pdo |
| 18:58.25 | nkuttler | !tell Morten_ about pdo |
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| 18:58.58 | Morten_ | ah |
| 18:59.01 | Morten_ | thanks for that! |
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| 19:02.27 | PiousMinion | Anyone know if there is a compressed filesystem (like squashfs) that isn't read-only or fuse? |
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| 19:03.50 | yeretik | module000, I don't see anything in this samples |
| 19:04.01 | yeretik | module000, I'm a novice |
| 19:04.19 | avtobiff | PiousMinion, jffs2, but that is a flash file system |
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| 19:04.49 | PiousMinion | avtobiff: Is there some limitation that would prevent me from using it on other media? |
| 19:04.59 | Morten_ | adama__, sorry to bother you - but when I hold the compizconfig-settings-manager, the Update-notification in the tray is showing it. Do you know how to hinder that? |
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| 19:07.01 | avtobiff | PiousMinion, since it is intended for use with NAND flash, i suppose that it has a lot of code assuming NAND flash |
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| 19:08.49 | jrk___ | hello |
| 19:09.15 | jrk___ | i have problem with installing debian 5.0.1 from netisnt image |
| 19:10.07 | jrk___ | it probably discovers my network card (when i type dhclient i see my mac-adress) |
| 19:10.21 | jrk___ | dhcp dosnt works |
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| 19:10.49 | jrk___ | so i type all masks/gateways/dns manualy |
| 19:11.09 | greycat | Are you sure your network segment has a DHCP server? |
| 19:11.31 | jrk___ | it has dhcp (tested in windows and damn small linux) |
| 19:11.56 | jrk___ | (an in puppy linux, knoppix, freebsd) |
| 19:12.10 | jrk___ | everything else works but not debian |
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| 19:12.24 | jrk___ | im angry |
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| 19:12.33 | jrk___ | becouse i nedd to have debian |
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| 19:12.41 | jrk___ | *need |
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| 19:12.42 | gewt | WARNING: Unknown SDR repository version 0x90 |
| 19:12.43 | gewt | ... |
| 19:12.51 | jrk___ | i have ubunto but ut sucks |
| 19:12.52 | greycat | Get it installed with the manual network configuration, then try to convert it to DHCP after installation. |
| 19:12.54 | stew | jrk___: what network card are you using? |
| 19:13.24 | jrk___ | "NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller" |
| 19:14.17 | jrk___ | i tried to setup it manually but it doesnt works |
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| 19:14.49 | greycat | Oh. That's very different, then. I thought you said it worked when you gave the manual IP/gateway/etc. |
| 19:15.18 | greycat | If it doesn't work manually, then DHCP isn't the issue at all. It just doesn't support your network interface. |
| 19:15.32 | jrk___ | my sister in the same network (lan) had problems with getting ip from dhcp in windows |
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| 19:16.10 | jrk___ | so i copied data from her roommate (changing only last number in ip) and it was working |
| 19:16.14 | betz | I'm looking for a nice CP like cpanel or directadmin. What do you recommend me? |
| 19:16.39 | jrk___ | "It just doesn't support your network interface." -- debian doesnt? |
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| 19:16.51 | greycat | The kernel. |
| 19:17.03 | jrk___ | 2.6.x ? |
| 19:17.06 | greycat | But you keep changing your statement, so I no longer know what to believe any more. |
| 19:17.08 | nkuttler | betz: none. use your favorite editor. |
| 19:17.17 | jrk___ | other distros also has 2.6.x and it works |
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| 19:17.34 | nkuttler | jrk___: does ifconfig show your nic? |
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| 19:17.43 | greycat | You said DHCP didn't work, that you had to manually select an IP; then you said it did not work manually; then you said it did. |
| 19:18.18 | greycat | Also, "2.6.x" is not a single kernel with a single set of drivers and features. It's a huge evolving tree of code that changes interfaces and drivers all the time. |
| 19:18.18 | betz | nkuttler: can't just switch to editor only. Cold turkey |
| 19:18.28 | jrk___ | it works in windows. not in debian netinst image |
| 19:19.01 | nkuttler | betz: that's how things work though |
| 19:19.41 | stew | jrk___: is the card recognized it just doens't get a dhsp response? or is the card not recognized? |
| 19:19.51 | gewt | is WARNING: Unknown SDR repository version 0x90 |
| 19:19.51 | gewt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.53 | jrk___ | and its strange because a had lenny (when is was testing not stable) before on the same mainboard/netcard and it was warking |
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| 19:20.03 | stew | jrk___: i'd expect that card to be supported by the forcedeth driver |
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| 19:20.26 | jrk___ | card recognized? i dont see it in "lspci" |
| 19:20.54 | jrk___ | but: when i typed "dhclient" i see its mac-adres |
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| 19:21.16 | jrk___ | so i thing its recognized |
| 19:21.24 | stuckey | Is there anyway I can make a speedtest.net speedtest work? |
| 19:21.29 | stuckey | It doesn't work for me in debian lenny |
| 19:21.48 | greycat | jrk___: does it show up in "ifconfig -a"? |
| 19:22.04 | jrk___ | i didnt run this command |
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| 19:22.21 | Vladimir | HI |
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| 19:23.21 | nkuttler | jrk___: the correct answer is yer or no or pastebin the output of that command |
| 19:23.23 | greycat | jrk___: in any event, if your DHCP server only works part of the time even for *windows* clients, you should probably look into fixing it. |
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| 19:23.45 | Vladimir | got a question what to do when you want the minimal installation of debian running with ssh server. 1.what to download 2. what to upgrade 3. which iso i must download |
| 19:23.49 | jrk___ | ok |
| 19:24.06 | greycat | Vladimir: netinstall CD image, boot it, install it, apt-get install ssh |
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| 19:24.45 | jrk___ | so now i have to reboot to knoppix (where network works) or to debian installer (where it doesnt) to give you proper info? |
| 19:24.48 | pixelmonkey | Is there an easy way to edit a control file for an existing deb? I have a deb that calls for linux-image-XYZ but on my machine, it's actually kernel-image-XYZ. The package works fine, but creates a broken install due to that dependnecy. |
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| 19:25.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is gnash stable enough as a full fledged adobe flash replacement for iceweasel? |
| 19:25.29 | valdyn | equivs |
| 19:25.32 | valdyn | !equivs |
| 19:25.32 | dpkg | it has been said that equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
| 19:25.36 | valdyn | pixelmonkey: ^^ |
| 19:25.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Thats the only non free package i use. so might replace |
| 19:25.50 | pixelmonkey | valdyn, oh, life saver! |
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| 19:26.02 | nkuttler | sh4d3sl4y3r_: depends on the sites you visit. youtube should work. |
| 19:26.04 | gewt | i can't get ipmitool to get sensor data >< |
| 19:26.16 | pixelmonkey | valdyn, I'm glad I ask questions in #debian before attemping this stuff myself. There's a utility for everything! |
| 19:26.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | youtube i need and 123greetings |
| 19:26.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | will try myself and see |
| 19:27.23 | ranix | pixelmonkey: it's possible to manually do it the way you asked, also |
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| 19:27.47 | ranix | pixelmonkey: you could unpack the .deb file, edit the control member, and then repack it with ar(1) |
| 19:28.19 | ranix | I assume the original package maintainer did choose the dependencies for a reason though - before doing that you'd want to at least make a cursory attempt to find the reason |
| 19:28.50 | pixelmonkey | ranix, it's because my kernel version was supported in an old and new debian version, however at some point kernel-image-* got renamed linux-image-* |
| 19:29.11 | pixelmonkey | the version of the kernel in the dependency is identical, just the naming is incorrect |
| 19:29.14 | ranix | pixelmonkey: aah, yeah you should be fine either way then |
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| 19:29.30 | ranix | personally I would fix the control member of the deb |
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| 19:34.17 | pixelmonkey | ranix, how do I re-create the deb with ar? |
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| 19:34.43 | ranix | man ar |
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| 19:34.46 | ranix | ar is a command |
| 19:34.57 | ranix | like zip or gzip |
| 19:35.22 | nkuttler | pixelmonkey: ar extracts debs, has nothing to do with re-create |
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| 19:36.00 | ranix | nkuttler: ar can create ar archive |
| 19:36.01 | ranix | s |
| 19:36.12 | ranix | a .deb is a renamed ar archive with specific contentsz |
| 19:36.30 | pixelmonkey | ranix, I think I did it with "ar q" |
| 19:37.14 | nkuttler | ranix: just using ar on something won't give you a valid .deb... |
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| 19:37.45 | nkuttler | pixelmonkey: sounds like you want make-kpkg |
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| 19:38.14 | pixelmonkey | nkuttler, can that make a deb from the control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz files? |
| 19:38.23 | kenjy | if I have a line like this "a b c d e" in a file, how can I print each letter in the shell? |
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| 19:38.32 | nkuttler | pixelmonkey: what are you trying to do? |
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| 19:39.12 | pixelmonkey | nkuttler, had a deb with a control file whose dependencies don't match my system preicsely due to a deb file rename. In this case, module that depends on linux-image-2.6.8-2-386 but on my system, the kernel is called kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 19:39.13 | jimcooncat | kenjy: if you don't get an answer to that, try in #bash |
| 19:39.13 | nkuttler | kenjy: replace every ' ' with "\n" ? |
| 19:39.17 | KINGSIDE | hello ! |
| 19:39.25 | KINGSIDE | is it possible to configure linux to auto fill the login name at boot ? |
| 19:39.28 | pixelmonkey | nkuttler, so I'm trying to edit the control file just to add that as a valid dependency so it doesn't result in broken packages |
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| 19:40.51 | pixelmonkey | nkuttler, actually, I got it to work with 'ar' by re-using the existing deb |
| 19:40.57 | adb | pixelmonkey: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 ? why so old ? |
| 19:41.01 | kenjy | jimcooncat, nkuttler : I was thinking in awk, I have a lot of records with fields, separated by " ", I need to work with each field of each record in a loop, for that I need each field separated |
| 19:41.02 | pixelmonkey | nkuttler, I simply used 'ar r <existing_deb> control.tar.gz' |
| 19:41.13 | pixelmonkey | adb, yes, I know, I know. It's old debian... |
| 19:41.17 | greycat | kenjy: #awk |
| 19:41.19 | pixelmonkey | adb, I'm upgrading it soon, I swear... |
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| 19:41.34 | pixelmonkey | adb, just need to wait until I can have physical access to my server so I can ensure kernel upgrade goes smoothly |
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| 19:41.41 | greycat | Warning: kenjy has just demonstrated extreme noobishness in #bash. Be warned. |
| 19:41.49 | kenjy | jimcooncat, nkuttler : but something like: for line in `cat file`; echo line;done shows me the line, I need each field not each record |
| 19:42.05 | gewt | ... |
| 19:42.10 | pixelmonkey | ranix, thanks for help re: ar, it's not as easy as tar to 're-create' the ar archive. |
| 19:42.13 | gewt | i have no ipmisensors module >< |
| 19:42.15 | pixelmonkey | ranix, but using 'ar r' works |
| 19:42.41 | kenjy | jimcooncat, nkuttler : can you help me please? |
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| 19:43.18 | nkuttler | jimcooncat: define 'need' |
| 19:43.23 | pixelmonkey | adb, I'd actually like the upgrade to Lenny! I just can't shut down this machine as it has running systems on it. |
| 19:43.29 | nkuttler | kenjy: ^^ |
| 19:44.00 | greycat | Warning: kenjy just demonstrated himself to be a troll in #bash. Suggest /ignore. |
| 19:44.23 | jimcooncat | nkuttler: need? I need lots of stuff. What are you talking about? |
| 19:45.32 | ajavid | greycat, stop with the slander. |
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| 19:46.15 | fsckedagain | anyone around for a quick network question? |
| 19:46.23 | ajavid | fsckedagain, just ask |
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| 19:46.34 | ajavid | if it doesn't relate to debian per se, ask ##networking |
| 19:47.14 | fsckedagain | it is a debian box running mainly openvpn. It is a vmware virtual machine. I upgraded the vmware tools, and although everything looks fine (ip, gw, etc) it will only ping one device. |
| 19:47.30 | fsckedagain | and that one device is not the gateway |
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| 19:47.50 | fsckedagain | however the one defice it can ping *can* ping the gateway and they are on the same virtual switch |
| 19:48.06 | fsckedagain | err that should be "device" :D |
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| 19:48.16 | fsckedagain | and I kinda am out of ideas. |
| 19:48.37 | ajavid | so your vm is using NAT? and gets an ip from the local network dhcp/gateway etc. and not a vmware bridged connection? |
| 19:48.47 | fsckedagain | I have tried removing the gw from /etc/network/interfaces and adding a manual route, nothing seems to work |
| 19:49.11 | fsckedagain | it is running on vmware esx, so it acts as though it is an actual switch, not the vmware server/workstation type networking |
| 19:49.23 | fsckedagain | no nat/bridged, etc. |
| 19:49.24 | ajavid | I have no experience with server editions |
| 19:49.28 | fsckedagain | just a regular interface |
| 19:49.45 | fsckedagain | yeah I think it is more of an issue with this debian box. |
| 19:50.00 | fsckedagain | I did the exact same upgrade on its fellow openvpn server and it worked just fine. |
| 19:50.21 | fsckedagain | something got borked but I see no errors on the interfaces, or anything, it just says no route to host even though it *does* have a route for it. |
| 19:50.54 | fsckedagain | lets just pretend it isn't running on vmware :) |
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| 19:51.32 | justin | fsckedagain: can you ping your gateway? |
| 19:51.44 | fsckedagain | justin: nope |
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| 19:51.57 | justin | fsckedagain: does that timeout or say no route to host? |
| 19:52.05 | fsckedagain | justin: no route to host |
| 19:52.28 | justin | what does route -n output? |
| 19:52.51 | exx | hello all, i have mounted my second hard disk to folder /disk2 how can i add new user to /disk2/username ? |
| 19:53.07 | fsckedagain | justin: it has 0.0.0.0 with it's proper gateway |
| 19:53.28 | justin | fsckedagain: it should have more than 0.0.0.0 |
| 19:53.33 | stew | fsckedagain: the problem is that you cannot ping your gateway? |
| 19:53.33 | fsckedagain | but I may be on to something. I have an error I found buried in the syslog |
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| 19:53.54 | fsckedagain | justin: well it does, a bunch of other info for the interfaces. |
| 19:54.01 | kenjy | greycat: gossip |
| 19:54.04 | fsckedagain | stew: sorta, this interface seems to be partially borked. |
| 19:54.08 | justin | great, can you share this 'bunch of other info' with the rest of the class? |
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| 19:54.17 | kenjy | greycat: solution: awk '{for(i=1;i<=NF;i++) print $i }' filename |
| 19:54.22 | fsckedagain | Let me look at this error and get back to ya'll :D |
| 19:54.22 | stew | fsckedagain: if you can't ping your gateway, check the physical connections, like the cables and the switch |
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| 19:54.45 | justin | exx: what is the FIRST option that adduser -h tells you about? |
| 19:54.46 | fsckedagain | stew: it is a vm on a server with 100 other vms that are all working fine and it was working before I installed vmware tools :) |
| 19:54.54 | stew | fsckedagain: but we are pretending it isn't |
| 19:54.55 | greycat | exx: vipw, just change the home directory location. Don't forget to actually create the home directory. |
| 19:55.13 | justin | greycat: he said 'add new user'... |
| 19:55.19 | fsckedagain | stew: excellent point. Let's presume the switch and cable are fine. I think I found an issue with the vmware tools themselves. |
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| 19:55.27 | greycat | well, then he can add a user first. and then follow my advice. |
| 19:55.32 | stew | fsckedagain: i'd try replacing your network card then |
| 19:55.35 | fsckedagain | stew: I will get back to you in a few, let me search this error out :) |
| 19:55.42 | fsckedagain | stew: excellent suggestion as well. |
| 19:55.51 | stew | fsckedagain: if you want to be real, i'd try http://vmware.com/support |
| 19:55.56 | exx | greycat: how to change? |
| 19:55.57 | fsckedagain | stew: I think I am gonna uninstall the tools first and see what happens |
| 19:56.13 | greycat | exx: vipw opens your chosen text editor (or nano or something, if you didn't choose one) |
| 19:56.18 | fsckedagain | stew: yep that would be the next step if remving the tools and re adding a different nic doesn't fix it. |
| 19:56.46 | greycat | exx: but if the user does not already exist, then note what justin said |
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| 19:57.16 | stew | kenjy: what are you trying to do? just split things by the IRS? there is certainly a better way to do whatever you are doing |
| 19:57.25 | stew | kenjy: a better way that doesn't require awk |
| 19:58.16 | kenjy | stew: tnks, well right now its solved but I was trying to show each field of each record in a file =) |
| 19:58.39 | exx | i have users in /home and need to add users to new disk too /disk2 |
| 19:58.41 | stew | kenjy: cat filename |
| 19:58.47 | kenjy | stew: hahaha no |
| 19:58.51 | stew | then what? |
| 19:58.59 | greycat | exx: man adduser |
| 19:59.00 | kenjy | stew: I need each field in a variable |
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| 19:59.35 | stew | kenjy: for a in $(cat file); do something with $a ; done |
| 19:59.43 | exx | greycat: adduser adding user to /home |
| 20:00.08 | greycat | exx: you didn't read the manual or the -h help page that justin said to read. |
| 20:00.12 | jimcooncat | thinks kenjy should learn the djb way |
| 20:00.23 | ranix | it's hard to learn to read documentation |
| 20:00.41 | ranix | don't be intimidated by it, try to work through it exx |
| 20:00.49 | kenjy | stew: yes but you are right but the a its going to be "a b c d e" and I need a="a", a="b", a="c" |
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| 20:01.01 | stew | kenjy: no it isn't |
| 20:01.04 | getxsick | hi |
| 20:01.31 | module000 | documentation is your friend |
| 20:01.41 | kenjy | stew: the file have for example 10 records, each record have values separated by a space |
| 20:01.56 | getxsick | i set hibernation, and i need to update initramfs, and seems like it's updated but still i can't resume a system. it works only if i type resume=/dev/xxx parameter into kernel during the boot |
| 20:02.17 | getxsick | i remember that i had similar problem months ago, but damn, i forgot to write the solution somewhere ; |
| 20:02.19 | kenjy | stew: one record: "a b c d e", if I use for a in $(cat file);do echo $a;done, that its going to show each record, not each field |
| 20:02.58 | stew | kenjy: ok, you must be using a different shell than I |
| 20:03.18 | module000 | kenjy: sorry to ask you to repeat yoruself...but do you ahve files with "foo bar blah blah"...4 values sep'd by spaces? |
| 20:03.37 | ranix | kenjy: I would also use awk |
| 20:03.39 | module000 | or 10 values...etc...but values seperated by spaces? |
| 20:03.45 | kW | Hello. I've been freshly installing Debian lenny. However, the file /etc/hosts does not exist. Which package do I have to install to make this file exist automatically? |
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| 20:04.10 | greycat | kW: you could just create one with "127.0.0.1 localhost" in it |
| 20:04.29 | kenjy | stew: nop, but I need two loops |
| 20:04.29 | greycat | (plus any other lines you need) |
| 20:04.29 | gewt | ipmitool is COMPLETELY unable to get ANY sensor data |
| 20:04.30 | module000 | kenjy: ranix is right...use awk or perl |
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| 20:04.40 | chiak | hi, i've upgraded today the "libqt4" package and i have problems like this: http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/8130/vlc.png (the VLC icon) |
| 20:04.40 | kenjy | stew: one controles each record the other each field |
| 20:04.45 | gewt | b4@Copper:~$ sudo ipmitool sdr |
| 20:04.45 | gewt | WARNING: Unknown SDR repository version 0x90 |
| 20:04.47 | kenjy | module000: Im ussing awk |
| 20:04.52 | gewt | does ANYONE here know of a way to resolve it? |
| 20:04.55 | stew | kenjy: no, for would loop over the fields |
| 20:04.56 | gewt | google is totally uyseless here |
| 20:04.59 | stew | kenjy: at least in bash/zsh |
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| 20:05.11 | kW | greycat: I could, but I suspect that there is some deeper (installation) bug which is the reason for this file to be missing. I'll have to setup a lot of debian machines, and thus I want to do it right right from the start. |
| 20:05.11 | kenjy | module000: I used awk '{for(i=1;i<=NF;i++) print $i }' file |
| 20:05.22 | module000 | kenjy: i'm bad at awk help, i'm good at perl help ;] |
| 20:05.36 | greycat | kenjy was also told to ask #awk, at least once. |
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| 20:06.01 | kenjy | greycat: please read up, issue fixed, they was asking how not giving solutions |
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| 20:06.59 | stew | kenjy: your original seems to work for me: http://paste.debian.net/36050/ |
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| 20:07.16 | stew | kenjy: did you mess with IFS? |
| 20:07.58 | ranix | stew, kenjy: just for reference, I tested ( for i in file.foo; do echo $i; done ) and it did indeed echo each individual space-separated word on its own line, NOT each line |
| 20:08.17 | ranix | so stew is indeed correct, but your problem is still best solved in awk imo |
| 20:08.20 | greycat | ranix: surely you mean for i in $(cat file.foo) or something |
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| 20:08.31 | ranix | oh yeah I used `cat file.foo` |
| 20:08.33 | ranix | grave accent |
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| 20:08.40 | gravity | votes for perl but it doesn't really matter |
| 20:08.50 | greycat | I usually tell people to use $() because half of the people who see `` think it's '' |
| 20:09.09 | ranix | I think $() is more consistent in its behavior regarding nesting also |
| 20:09.16 | ranix | so it's a good coding practice, but I have old habits |
| 20:09.32 | module000 | gravity: i never learned to awk...so perl is my first solution also |
| 20:09.37 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/082 |
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| 20:09.56 | ranix | awk -f script.awk is very useful for learning awk |
| 20:10.07 | ranix | I recently learned it myself when working with financial data |
| 20:10.12 | stew | and $() is embeddable in another $() |
| 20:10.46 | kenjy | stew, ranix : you are true but thats not what I want :S |
| 20:10.55 | ranix | kenjy: too bad so sad! |
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| 20:11.13 | kenjy | ranix, stew : something like this should do the trik but it don't do it: $ for line in `cat t`;do for a in $line;do echo "line"$a; done; done |
| 20:11.31 | stew | kenjy: see my paste |
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| 20:11.58 | ranix | for line in `cat t`; do echo #line; done will print each word, not each line |
| 20:12.03 | ranix | hence your confusion |
| 20:12.13 | greycat | unless he changed IFS |
| 20:12.21 | ranix | which would be truly bizarre |
| 20:12.26 | greycat | I've ... had it happen before. |
| 20:12.30 | ranix | and ++ the votes for a scripting language |
| 20:12.35 | greycat | Granted, I type some really bizarre things in some of my windows. |
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| 20:12.47 | ranix | my delete key is currently backspacing at home |
| 20:12.57 | ranix | rather than fix it I have elected to ignore it until next reboot |
| 20:13.02 | ranix | which may be several months from now |
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| 20:13.40 | kenjy | stew: okay, how can I get each record? |
| 20:14.13 | kenjy | stew: I need "a b c d e f","g h i j k" |
| 20:14.35 | module000 | kenjy: records seperated by spaces...and multiple lines of records? |
| 20:14.41 | kenjy | module000: yes |
| 20:15.09 | stew | kenjy: while read a ; do whatever ; done < filename |
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| 20:15.38 | ranix | <? |
| 20:15.41 | lepine1 | can someone give me the factoid for what one should backup on a system? |
| 20:15.46 | lepine1 | !backup |
| 20:15.46 | dpkg | somebody said backup was something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression), or ... |
| 20:15.56 | ranix | weird I didn't know you could do that |
| 20:16.06 | ranix | I always do cat foo | while read filename |
| 20:16.13 | stew | uuoc |
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| 20:16.29 | ranix | for file management |
| 20:16.30 | greycat | ranix: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/001 |
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| 20:16.37 | ranix | thanks greycat |
| 20:16.56 | module000 | kenjy: and how do you want to display the data you read? |
| 20:17.16 | ranix | greycat: do you know if this is more efficient than cat foo | while read line ... or is it just more correct |
| 20:17.22 | kenjy | module000: real example: http://rafb.net/p/Ovb27C46.html |
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| 20:17.43 | greycat | ranix: the pipe version is less efficient, but more important, it makes the while loop run in a subshell, so any changes you make inside the loop are lost when the loop ends. |
| 20:17.55 | greycat | (unless you're in ksh88/ksh93) |
| 20:17.57 | kenjy | module000: this don't work: http://rafb.net/p/pCNvR553.html |
| 20:17.57 | ranix | aaah |
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| 20:18.32 | kenjy | module000: it should display record\na\nb\nc\nd\ne\nrecord\na\nb ... |
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| 20:19.23 | kenjy | module000: this works =) http://rafb.net/p/Ugi0QS69.html |
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| 20:19.51 | stuckey | Anyone know how I can use the flashplugin to make a speedtest.net without contaiminating my computer with adobe? |
| 20:19.56 | stuckey | I've heard people say "sandbox"... |
| 20:20.10 | abrotman | gnash ? |
| 20:20.30 | stuckey | abrotman: doesn't work with speedtest.net |
| 20:20.31 | jimcooncat | stuckey: how much contamination do you envision? |
| 20:20.49 | greycat | By "to make a speedtest.net" do you really mean "to allow my web browser to use the flash content on some web site" instead of actually making a web site to compete with it? |
| 20:20.54 | stuckey | jimcooncat: I don't know... and that's what worries me. |
| 20:21.05 | abrotman | use soemething else besides speedtest.net |
| 20:21.13 | lepine1 | ^ wget |
| 20:21.14 | stuckey | greycat: I mean going to http://www.speedtest.net and clicking "test my speed" or whatever. |
| 20:21.25 | stuckey | abrotman: I know it sucks but I need it for a personal reason. |
| 20:21.29 | greycat | that's somewhat different from making your own version of that web site |
| 20:21.33 | stuckey | I need the little thing it gives you witht he url. |
| 20:21.41 | abrotman | stuckey: that sounds silly .. there are other bandwidth test sites |
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| 20:21.48 | stuckey | greycat: sorry, I forget the correct usage of our verb "to make" sometimes. |
| 20:21.59 | stuckey | abrotman: I know it's silly... please humour me. |
| 20:22.14 | abrotman | uh .. nope :) |
| 20:23.49 | justin | stuckey: wget -O/dev/null ftp://debian.mirrors.tds.net/debian/pool/main/f/fgfs-base/fgfs-base_1.0.0.orig.tar.gz |
| 20:24.12 | justin | i get 11MB/s from there, so they should be able to max out whatever you can do |
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| 20:26.55 | chiak | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.59 | vi390 | can someone tell me, why I do not have a menu.lst unter /boot/grub ? But the system starts with a bootmenu, but where does it come from then. The system is lenny |
| 20:28.06 | chiak | vi390: try "locate menu.lst" |
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| 20:28.47 | vi390 | chiak: hmm nothing found, tried that before also |
| 20:29.01 | vi390 | just confuses me. I wanted to edit it, and its not there |
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| 20:30.14 | vi390 | there are .lst files under /boot/grub/ , like partmap.lst ... but no menu.lst |
| 20:30.53 | vi390 | is there a way to install it , extract it from grub or somewhat |
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| 20:31.21 | adb | vi390: which distribution ? |
| 20:31.32 | vi390 | adb: leenny 5.01 |
| 20:31.43 | greycat | vi390: try running update-grub |
| 20:32.07 | greycat | vi390: was this system installed as lenny, with GRUB? Or did you convert from LILO to GRUB at some stage? |
| 20:32.08 | fsckedagain | stew: ok none of the things I have tried have worked. If you knew you had a known good cable and card, what would you look at? |
| 20:32.19 | vi390 | greycat: ah, ok thanks this created it, thx |
| 20:32.47 | vi390 | greycat: it was installed with the netinstall iso |
| 20:32.47 | stew | fsckedagain: i would call vmware support |
| 20:33.07 | fsckedagain | stew: unsupported os lol |
| 20:33.22 | stew | fsckedagain: what os? |
| 20:33.29 | vi390 | greycat: weird, i thought menu.lst is copied there automaticaly |
| 20:33.30 | greycat | vi390: you might also make sure there are some lines like "postinst_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub" in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 20:33.52 | fsckedagain | debian |
| 20:33.59 | fsckedagain | isn't supported |
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| 20:34.06 | stew | i guess vmware sucks worse than I thought |
| 20:34.35 | fsckedagain | yeah they support ubuntu though, go figure... |
| 20:34.39 | person2 | stew: I removed xfce-desktop :) |
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| 20:35.02 | vi390 | greycat: ok checked, is there |
| 20:35.08 | person2 | stew: It required me to remove a whole task though, which, alas, got rid of gnome >< |
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| 20:35.29 | person2 | What's the point in tasks, anyway? what's wrong with metapackages? |
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| 20:48.39 | jpinx-eeepc | On plugging in a UDS memory stick I get dmesg saying sdd: unknown partition table. Attached SCSI removable disk. But fdisk -l is not showing it. What should I be looking for to get it partitioned/formatted ? |
| 20:48.57 | jpinx-eeepc | *USB memory stick |
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| 20:49.25 | ranix | jpinx-eeepc: try doing fdisk /dev/sd[a-z] |
| 20:49.37 | ranix | sdd looks like |
| 20:49.37 | maligor | /dev/sdd in that case |
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| 20:50.39 | jpinx-eeepc | fdisk is unable to open /dev/sdd :( |
| 20:50.50 | ranix | rly? |
| 20:50.54 | ranix | what do you have |
| 20:50.57 | ranix | a cruzer micro or sommat? |
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| 20:51.38 | g00se_ | find /dev/disk |
| 20:51.39 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: some generic one |
| 20:51.59 | ranix | jpinx-eeepc: sudo fdisk /dev/sdd? |
| 20:52.17 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: yes sudo .... |
| 20:52.22 | maligor | debian doesn't use sudo by default :P |
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| 20:53.08 | person2 | How can I totally nuke XFCE out of my home directory? |
| 20:53.27 | module000 | person2: probably ~/.xfce or something very close |
| 20:53.32 | jpinx-eeepc | person2: aptitude purge xfce4 |
| 20:53.42 | person2 | Tried both |
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| 20:53.45 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: that won't remove from $HOME |
| 20:53.53 | person2 | I deleted some stuff in .config too |
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| 20:54.23 | person2 | It keeps on starting kio_ui, kio_server or something |
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| 20:54.43 | person2 | I think I'll see if it is the user config by starting it with a fresh new user |
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| 20:54.50 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: the sudo fdisk /dev/sdd is what I was using - tried cfdisk too - no luck |
| 20:54.57 | ranix | I wonder what the deal is |
| 20:55.05 | ranix | jpinx-eeepc: check dmesg for bizarretae? |
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| 20:56.50 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: getting an I/O error on a series of block numbers |
| 20:56.54 | person2 | Yeah it starts quickly with the new user. |
| 20:57.19 | person2 | It still keeps on launching this kio thingy and starting pidgin up |
| 20:57.36 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: like - Buffer I/O error on device sdd, logical block 361 |
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| 20:59.27 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: is there a cure? |
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| 21:00.02 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: does it work on another machine? |
| 21:00.36 | jpinx-eeepc | nope |
| 21:00.51 | jelly-home | in windows? |
| 21:01.18 | jpinx-eeepc | yep |
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| 21:01.45 | ranix | sorry jpinx-eeepc, bird stole my french fry |
| 21:01.47 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: tried a windows XP box |
| 21:01.51 | jelly-home | Linux sucks. |
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| 21:01.56 | ranix | har to chase him down to get it back |
| 21:01.57 | jelly-home | hides |
| 21:02.12 | ranix | now he's pissed off at me |
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| 21:02.25 | ranix | jpinx-eeepc: your device is fried |
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| 21:02.35 | ranix | jpinx-eeepc: try windows and see if there's some driver magic that can recover it |
| 21:03.14 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: ok - that's what I was afraid of :( thanks |
| 21:03.35 | ranix | sorry d00d |
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| 21:03.45 | ranix | alternative is that maybe there are bad blocks on purpose to screw with you |
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| 21:03.53 | ranix | see: cruzer micro and co. |
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| 21:09.44 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: fwiw - it was sold to me as a 32GB stick, but never achieve that and always corrupted everything over about4 GBs |
| 21:10.59 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: It's been working as a 4Gb stick for a while, but now won't even be recognised whe I plug it in. Iw as going to dd /dev/zero it and start again |
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| 21:11.29 | jelly-home | .tanstaafl |
| 21:11.40 | jelly-home | !tanstaafl |
| 21:11.40 | dpkg | well, tanstaafl is "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch", from Robert A. Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" Heinlein, "The cat who walks through walls" |
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| 21:12.56 | jpinx-eeepc | !free lunch |
| 21:12.56 | dpkg | i guess free lunch is "There's no such thing as a free lunch." -- Milton Freedman |
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| 21:20.11 | teratoma | except in recursion |
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| 21:23.07 | faffi | If im running squeeze with KDE 3.5 and I want konsole from the unstable version (4.2) it says alot of the kde4 libraries are the kde4 runtime are required, will that break my kde 3.5 but upgrading? |
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| 21:38.46 | FoxBlitzz | Say, is it normal for my Debian box to have me logged in three times? |
| 21:38.56 | FoxBlitzz | Does it have anything to do with daemons I'm running? |
| 21:39.34 | eOliva | I can connect in a wireless network with iwconfig and stuff, but when the network uses WPA/PSK it doesn't work!! I googled a bit and nothing I tried worked, anyone can help me plz? |
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| 21:42.15 | dondelelcaro | eOliva: you have to use wpa_supplicant |
| 21:42.23 | FloridaGuy | whats the latest version of gnome for debian |
| 21:43.09 | dondelelcaro | 2.24.3 or thereabouts is in unstable |
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| 21:43.42 | FloridaGuy | why they stay so far behind |
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| 21:44.53 | el_critter | Hi, I have a Intel HDA soundcard. Can you help me to enable "jack-sense"? (this is, when headphones are pluged in, main speakers output stop) |
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| 21:45.14 | dondelelcaro | FloridaGuy: because people like you who use gnome don't step up and help package newer versions of it |
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| 21:45.24 | FloridaGuy | dondelelcaro, is there a reason debian stays so far behind |
| 21:45.51 | dondelelcaro | FloridaGuy: see http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.26-status.html if you actually want to know what the status is, and want to help |
| 21:46.03 | FloridaGuy | if i knew how to build |
| 21:46.07 | KavanS | learn. |
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| 21:47.01 | epsas | win 35 |
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| 21:47.55 | FloridaGuy | if i had time i would spend most of the time at doctors and hospitals with my girlfriend... |
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| 21:48.40 | dondelelcaro | FloridaGuy: then it's not terribly productive to complain about the effort that other volunteers are expending. Packaging things like gnome takes effort and time; the number of people working on it is not infinite |
| 21:49.02 | dondelelcaro | large parts of 2.26 *are* packaged, but the whole thing isn't |
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| 21:51.04 | FloridaGuy | im not complaining....i just asked.....i would love to beable to build the perfect desktop |
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| 21:51.33 | enouf | Desktops suck ass - butr feel free to help yourself |
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| 21:53.35 | RichiH | i have an intel dg9560t main board, a areca 1680 controller, a 3 TiB RAID, a GPT partition table and debian lenny. it installs just fine, but i can't boot |
| 21:53.39 | RichiH | suggestions? |
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| 21:54.50 | jham_lynucs | just managed to crash finch and as it segfaulted it gave me out a nice memory map. is there a way to see the memory map without segfaulting finch? :) |
| 21:54.50 | RichiH | jelly-home: you wouldn't happen to have one of your magic solutions at hand? ;) |
| 21:54.52 | stew | RichiH: send it to me |
| 21:55.08 | jham_lynucs | stew: :D |
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| 21:55.31 | RichiH | stew: i can certainly position it within your reach, but i doubt you would appreciate it ;) |
| 21:55.52 | RichiH | but seriously, it's 2355 local, i am in the data center and have been going at this for 5 hours, now |
| 21:55.54 | RichiH | so.. |
| 21:56.15 | stew | RichiH: its booting off the raid? do you get a grub prompt? |
| 21:56.20 | RichiH | no |
| 21:56.27 | RichiH | the bios tells me there is no bootable device |
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| 21:56.55 | RichiH | bootstrapping over an intel bios update cd works, strangely enough |
| 21:57.29 | stew | RichiH: i assume that sticking a drive only a controller on the MB just to stick grub on isn't an option? |
| 21:57.55 | stew | RichiH: or a usb key |
| 21:58.14 | RichiH | not really |
| 21:58.23 | RichiH | especially as i only have 6 hdd slots |
| 21:58.27 | RichiH | and all of those are taken |
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| 21:59.40 | fsckedagain | stew: I fixed my problem :) |
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| 22:00.14 | drakeman | hello guys! |
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| 22:01.26 | maxamillion | I want to install debian on my NSLU2 and I was wondering how large of a USB thumb drive I need for the installation to succeed and to install a few things like httpd, vsftpd, and dhcpd? |
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| 22:04.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I am using lxde. Is there a decent browser to see the samba shares? like we do using nautilus for gnome |
| 22:04.35 | ajavid | can you make aptitude hold a regex of packages? |
| 22:04.45 | ajavid | or does one have to specify one package at a time? |
| 22:04.59 | dmoerner | maxamillion, my nslu2 which has none of those daemon installed is sitting on 667 mb |
| 22:05.15 | dmoerner | i would say a 2gb thumb drive is about right for the install of those things, you might want more for extra space though |
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| 22:05.24 | ajavid | 2 is more than enough |
| 22:05.30 | ajavid | 1 is plenty really |
| 22:05.51 | maxamillion | dmoerner: awesome! i have a spare 2gb sitting around the house so i won't have to run out and buy anything ... thanks :) |
| 22:06.08 | dmoerner | maxamillion, i would seriously consider just using an external usb enclosure if you are running an ftp server |
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| 22:06.56 | maxamillion | dmoerner: the ftp server was just an after thought if i run into the spare cash for an external drive |
| 22:07.11 | maxamillion | but i wanted to plan space for installing it if/when i need it |
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| 22:07.38 | maxamillion | thanks again! i'm off to hack up my nslu2 |
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| 22:07.43 | dmoerner | makes sense, i run off a 320g external hdd and just use it as a music server (edna) and a backup server (rsync) |
| 22:07.44 | dmoerner | good luck |
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| 22:08.18 | ajavid | on unstable I have pinned and installed kde from testing, 3.5.10. I wish to continue to use upgrade on my unstable box. Do I need to tell aptitude to hold each kde package or what? how can I tell aptitude to hold everything that was installed from the testing repo and not upgrade it |
| 22:08.24 | ajavid | please advise |
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| 22:09.52 | ajavid | I would really rather try to avoid doing like aptitude hold kde-core kdelibs kde kde-this kde-that etc. |
| 22:10.23 | dmoerner | ajavid, use apt-pinning, it support globbing |
| 22:10.45 | dmoerner | !+tell ajavid -about pinning |
| 22:10.46 | dpkg | told ajavid about pinning. |
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| 22:11.03 | ajavid | dmoerner, currently I am pinning kde* from release=testing with a priority of 1000 |
| 22:11.37 | ajavid | dmoerner, I'll look up globbing I dunno what that means |
| 22:12.01 | dmoerner | ajavid, globbing is just the use of expansion of * here, nothing special |
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| 22:12.38 | ajavid | I see |
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| 22:13.20 | ajavid | ahh I see |
| 22:13.33 | ajavid | well kinda |
| 22:13.53 | careta | anyone knows where I can find a decent debian sticker for my laptop (for showoff, of course)? |
| 22:15.05 | Maya | where are hibernate files saved to> ? |
| 22:15.12 | Maya | i need to find those files and shred them all |
| 22:15.30 | NiLon | http://www.hackerstickers.com/products/sticker-debian-linux.shtml |
| 22:16.11 | dmoerner | Maya, your swap partition, if that is what you are using. otherwise a dedicated swap file, but you should know if this was the case |
| 22:16.37 | Maya | dmoerner: i suspect it is the case |
| 22:17.15 | nsadmin | it's not hard to find out |
| 22:17.31 | Maya | fdisk shows swap partition |
| 22:17.40 | nsadmin | show the line |
| 22:17.41 | Maya | is this how you find out? |
| 22:17.51 | nsadmin | also look at /etc/fstab |
| 22:17.51 | Maya | /dev/sda7 1017 1346 2650693+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 22:17.56 | Maya | hm ok |
| 22:18.25 | nsadmin | it should show /dev/sda7 (so, you are using scsi?) |
| 22:18.50 | ajavid | dmoerner, thanks |
| 22:18.54 | nsadmin | also look at the output of free |
| 22:19.11 | Maya | hmm there are things in swap |
| 22:19.15 | dmoerner | /dev/sda7 could be scsi, sata, or pata with libata |
| 22:19.37 | nsadmin | so everything can use the scsi subsystem now |
| 22:19.43 | dmoerner | if you want to wipe it swapoff /dev/sda7; mkswap /dev/sda7; swapon /dev/sda7 |
| 22:20.08 | nsadmin | what do you mean "there are things in swap"? |
| 22:20.09 | enouf | i'd overwrite it with zeros in between |
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| 22:20.40 | Maya | i mean freee shows 250mb something used in swap |
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| 22:21.39 | nsadmin | ok |
| 22:21.54 | enouf | ajavid: fwiw, IIRC, /preferences (as well as perhaps /apt.conf{.d/*}) uses c-style commenting; "// Comment 1 ...." or /* comment here .... |
| 22:22.19 | nsadmin | so the intermediate results are: 1, you have swap space active and 2, it's a partition not a file |
| 22:22.33 | enouf | why? i don't know, but they don't support # bash/sh style commenting |
| 22:22.33 | Maya | right |
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| 22:25.50 | eeebittin | i need wlan drivers for Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 8199 (rev 22) |
| 22:25.54 | eeebittin | what to get? |
| 22:26.04 | eeebittin | !eeepc |
| 22:26.05 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>. #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 22:26.47 | enouf | [17:22:54] <chealer> !tell eeebittin about rtl8187se |
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| 22:28.16 | devel0 | omg i just got lzma support in squashfs , i got a smooth 25% more compression! |
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| 22:28.45 | devel0 | joy dance |
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| 22:37.22 | jhutchins_wk2 | what other music managers are there besides amarok? |
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| 22:37.36 | BettyFord_failed | i got a serious problem |
| 22:37.55 | etchPRSN | BettyFord_failed problem ? |
| 22:38.19 | Polarina | jhutchins_wk2: Rhythmbox. |
| 22:39.40 | BettyFord_failed | yeah, i cannot install anything |
| 22:39.58 | BettyFord_failed | im drunk i think |
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| 22:40.51 | maximi89 | hi ppl |
| 22:40.58 | etchPRSN | whoa... well... Id suggest the Betty Ford clinic... but... I doubt theyd believe you :-) |
| 22:41.29 | maximi89 | streun_? |
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| 22:42.31 | maximi89 | wasn't the udev i think... or i have bad image of grub... |
| 22:43.16 | ajavid | I was just using my system with a vga cable, and I was getting 1680x1050 native res at 60 refresh rate. I have now switched to a HDMI cable, and now I do xrandr and can't see more than 1152x something |
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| 22:43.22 | ajavid | whats going on? |
| 22:43.44 | etchPRSN | sounds like a cable problem :--) |
| 22:44.53 | PiousMinion | Anyone know if there is a compressed filesystem (like squashfs) that isn't read-only, fuse, or made solely for flash media? |
| 22:44.58 | ajavid | defautl xorg.conf with nothing in it, all xorg auto detection |
| 22:45.01 | ajavid | debian with x1900xt radeon open source driver |
| 22:45.08 | devel0 | PiousMinion, you can write to squashfs using union |
| 22:45.09 | ajavid | its a lcd hannsg hdmi hg216d |
| 22:45.22 | devel0 | infact , im battling with squash as we speak |
| 22:45.24 | devel0 | :) |
| 22:45.40 | ajavid | dvi only shows one more at all |
| 22:46.03 | PiousMinion | squash+union is very useful, but not for my particular case. |
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| 22:46.35 | devel0 | care to share the particular case? |
| 22:46.45 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/36074/ |
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| 22:47.37 | Noble | Cheers folks! Anyone care to tell me if there is a Debian server only cd-image? I can only seem to find the desktop version on the web page. Or am I missunderstanding something essential? |
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| 22:47.53 | Polarina | PiousMinion: I don't see why anyone would want one. |
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| 22:47.54 | enouf | PiousMinion: MTD or block device? if mtd; http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/Documentation/filesystems/ubifs.txt |
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| 22:48.27 | PiousMinion | devel0: lenny install as an image, mounted, and shared via NFS for a xen guest. Yes, I am crazy. :P |
| 22:48.39 | jdahm | 0;2~ |
| 22:48.44 | PiousMinion | enouf: disc image. virtual block device I guess? |
| 22:48.51 | devel0 | your not crazy , im doing something that leans towards psychopath compared to that right now :) |
| 22:49.05 | PiousMinion | lol |
| 22:49.07 | devel0 | ubifs would do |
| 22:49.23 | Knirch | is there a faq, doc, or something regarding debians move to evdev/hal for x input devices? running into problems, but don't want to pester needlessly (it would seem debian-setup-keyboard never manages to setup properly so I get us layout even though /etc/defaults/console-setup says se) |
| 22:50.00 | devel0 | does anyone have some hands on with lzma and squash ? It just doesnt do what its supposed to |
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| 22:50.39 | Noble | Anyone? is there a server only cd image? Do I choose something during install? |
| 22:51.14 | voxadam | Isn't there a way to start the text based installer from a dos prompt? I have an old system that refuses to boot from the install CD and doesn't have a floppy drive. |
| 22:51.45 | devel0 | voxadam, do a pxe boot |
| 22:51.48 | Polarina | voxadam: Did you check the BIOS settings? |
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| 22:51.57 | voxadam | Polarina: Yeah. |
| 22:52.26 | voxadam | Wouldn't PXE require me to have a PXE server? |
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| 22:52.48 | adb | !debian.exe |
| 22:52.48 | dpkg | debian.exe is a debian-installer loader for win32. It installs Debian as default; it installs grub for NT on C drive, then downloads the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and creates entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/. Also ask me about <ig> <setup.exe> or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader |
| 22:52.49 | devel0 | pxe server is a fancy word for 3 debian packages only |
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| 22:53.04 | devel0 | tftpd (which supports the tsize option) , a dhcp server and the syslinux package |
| 22:53.08 | adb | voxadam: ^^ |
| 22:53.12 | voxadam | devel0: The problem is the only boxes I have where I'm at are Macs. |
| 22:53.19 | devel0 | macs can do that |
| 22:53.30 | devel0 | infact , Ive done it before mirads of times on a mac |
| 22:53.46 | devel0 | whats that thing called , fink , or darwin ports ? |
| 22:54.01 | devel0 | the one that is an exact copy of apt |
| 22:54.02 | devel0 | :D |
| 22:54.09 | enouf | Knirch: seen setxkbmap? |
| 22:54.11 | voxadam | devel0: thanks. I'll look into it. |
| 22:54.44 | enouf | Knirch: also, concerning conoles; console-{setup,data} pkgs, and /etc/console*/* |
| 22:54.47 | Knirch | enouf: yes, I can work around problems just fine, trying to figure out why debian-setup-keyboard fails |
| 22:54.58 | Knirch | enouf: and yes console-setup has set it to se |
| 22:55.04 | Manoj | Zo. A new version of kernel-package hits incoming, since the old one migrated to Squeeze. |
| 22:55.16 | enouf | Knirch: never heard of d-s-k |
| 22:55.32 | Knirch | enouf: then thanks |
| 22:55.56 | enouf | Knirch: have you read the <locales> factoid? |
| 22:56.05 | Knirch | enouf: no |
| 22:56.15 | enouf | Knirch: /msg dpkg locales |
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| 22:56.37 | jdahm | sorry about that, my screen was messed up |
| 22:57.19 | Knirch | enouf: ok, and yes, all that is taken care of since a couple of years back, my interest is in hal->debian-setup-keyboard->evdev and why d-s-k fails |
| 22:57.30 | jdahm | if anyone else cannot backspace in xfce-terminal screen session, just tell it to send cntrl-h :P |
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| 22:57.42 | devel0 | the real life version of lzma must be those scenes where the bad guy is captured and put with his car in a comression thingy machine in old car junk yards |
| 22:58.24 | Manoj | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=528373 shows that at least some people are upset about the need to configure the target machine |
| 22:58.45 | Manoj | the thing is, I don't see how to communicate changed behaviour to the users any better |
| 22:58.46 | enouf | jdahm: see if /msg dpkg insert is useful |
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| 23:01.06 | dondelelcaro | Manoj: it'd probably be resaonable to throw a warning if the kernel was supposed to generate an initrd and there weren't any configuration files in place to do that |
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| 23:02.39 | zinx | Knirch: did you check the flux capacitor? |
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| 23:13.35 | Manoj | dondelelcaro: how would the psotinst know that? |
| 23:14.34 | Manoj | dondelelcaro: though adding another debconf question would not be hard, in the psotinst, if one could be sure there is no initrd handler script around |
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| 23:29.36 | faffi | how do I go about trying to figure out why my mic wont record? |
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| 23:33.47 | ndf | is there a way to limit the size of a ramfs mount? |
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| 23:36.55 | Stanlin | Hello Communist fellows... |
| 23:37.14 | adb | hate communists |
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| 23:37.56 | devel0 | ndf, |
| 23:38.01 | toad_ | does a tool to create/unpack/replace files in os/x .pkg files on *nix exist? |
| 23:38.08 | toad_ | well, on debian? |
| 23:38.17 | devel0 | ndf, in your kernel params grub or pxe or whatever , you can specifiy the ram size |
| 23:38.20 | devel0 | ramfs i mean |
| 23:38.37 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.07 | Maya | linux is communism! |
| 23:39.15 | Maya | ubuntu on the other hand |
| 23:39.32 | Maya | would never use it. they pay staff to come on irc chans |
| 23:39.34 | devel0 | OSX is capitalism in its all end user glory |
| 23:39.37 | Maya | i guess debain doesnt do that |
| 23:40.02 | dondelelcaro | whatever it is or isn't is not on topic here |
| 23:40.09 | Maya | if anybody inside the debian project is being paid to write code im moving to something else!! |
| 23:40.26 | dondelelcaro | Maya: lots of people are paid to write code |
| 23:40.52 | devel0 | i make money out of linux |
| 23:40.57 | Maya | i hope they are not paid to write code for debian |
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| 23:41.01 | Maya | devel0: how so |
| 23:41.11 | devel0 | services? |
| 23:41.33 | Maya | customer services ? |
| 23:41.42 | devel0 | linux isnt start button oriented , services are required , specialized admins |
| 23:41.52 | dondelelcaro | toad_: pax supposedly does it |
| 23:42.00 | Maya | that's a different subject |
| 23:42.04 | dondelelcaro | Maya: quite a few people are paid to write code for Debian. |
| 23:42.12 | devel0 | who pays them btw? |
| 23:42.17 | Maya | yes... |
| 23:42.31 | dondelelcaro | devel0: various companies and people |
| 23:42.47 | devel0 | hmmm |
| 23:43.05 | Maya | i realize a company that need specialized code will pay someone to do it |
| 23:43.24 | Maya | but you wont be seeing the main debain admins making money off it like the buntus codeers are |
| 23:43.27 | dondelelcaro | Maya: there are companies who pay people to just develop for Debian. Quite a few DDs have such jobs |
| 23:43.42 | etchPRSN | well there are the commercial versions of linux... they pay their workers :--) |
| 23:44.14 | devel0 | im gonna get me a job where I can be on IRC all day procrastinating |
| 23:44.24 | elik | Which log file is supposed to have the mark? |
| 23:44.27 | Maya | devel0: Canonical! |
| 23:44.29 | toad_ | dondelelcaro: not according to the man page :| |
| 23:44.36 | Maya | they pay you for just that haha |
| 23:44.36 | ndf | devel0: no i'm not limiting ram size, i want to make a ramfs mount, basically like a ramdisk that doesnt swap or anything, but it's dynamic in size |
| 23:44.53 | devel0 | ndf, I do know what a ramdisk is |
| 23:45.06 | devel0 | how are you booting |
| 23:45.06 | enouf | ndf: no it's not |
| 23:45.08 | devel0 | grub ? |
| 23:45.19 | Manoj | I have never been paid to do Debian work :-( |
| 23:45.27 | devel0 | and it isnt dynamic in size |
| 23:45.53 | Manoj | dondelelcaro: for instance, I have /etc/kernel/postinst.d/moe on my laptop (as in, moe the yaird, since it uses yaird) |
| 23:46.08 | ndf | enouf: the ramfs page on the debian site says "One downside of ramfs is you can keep writing data into it until you fill up all memory" |
| 23:46.18 | devel0 | the declared memory |
| 23:46.35 | enouf | ndf: you can't have it both ways, dynamic and non-swappable .. but you could look into tmpfs (swappable) and/or coarse memory management (x86-64) and numa=fake option |
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| 23:46.38 | devel0 | in your kernel params you can use ramdisk_size=XXXX (in bytes) |
| 23:46.39 | etchPRSN | hmmm... |
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| 23:46.52 | ndf | enouf: no i don't want it to be dynamic |
| 23:46.58 | ndf | or swappable |
| 23:47.10 | Maya | okay guys, i have done swapoff and now i wish to shred the swap drive. from what i have been told: when you hibernate, in some cases, your ram files will be written to the swap fiel, in this case a partition, (sda7). having unmounted that partition i can now safely dd zero it, correct? |
| 23:47.26 | ndf | devel0: won't that limit the ramfs for everything though? |
| 23:47.32 | enouf | the others have twice said how to that already ndf |
| 23:47.34 | ndf | i just want to limit a mount i make |
| 23:47.53 | devel0 | ndf, when you mount the ramdisk , you DO specify it's size |
| 23:47.55 | enouf | you want vserver or xen instances or something |
| 23:48.13 | enouf | (it would seem) |
| 23:48.16 | ndf | oh |
| 23:48.23 | shanepardue | I'm loving Debian, been getting tired of Ubuntu, but the only thing I miss is the smooth fonts. I've heard I have to patch a few sources to get the smoother fonts? |
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| 23:48.55 | etchPRSN | define "smooth fonts" |
| 23:49.00 | Maya | shanepardue: huh ? |
| 23:49.05 | Maya | in debian? |
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| 23:49.10 | Maya | since when does ubuntu have smooth fonts!?!? |
| 23:49.16 | devel0 | subpixel smoothin you mean ? |
| 23:49.17 | enouf | Maya: swap doesn't get mounted, so you didn't umount it |
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| 23:49.23 | Manoj | ubuntu has fonts not in debian? |
| 23:49.26 | shanepardue | on my lcd, fonts look much better in ubuntu. HP 1907 |
| 23:49.28 | Maya | they only recently solved the fudged up fonts in condole |
| 23:49.30 | devel0 | Manoj, yes |
| 23:49.37 | shanepardue | in X |
| 23:49.45 | etchPRSN | oh.. smooth... ok |
| 23:49.48 | acu01 | hey guys - does anyone knows a lenny postfix dovecot tutorial howto which works ? - tried few - waste of time |
| 23:49.51 | Maya | enouf: well damnit,. i did the equivalent for, swapĂpoff |
| 23:50.05 | enouf | Maya: umount of a FS that was using swap will auto run sync, IINM, so running that should suffice |
| 23:50.33 | Maya | sigh |
| 23:51.03 | enouf | just dd /dev/zero the swap partition already ; then mkswap ; swapon |
| 23:51.06 | adb | acu01: http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix |
| 23:51.14 | Maya | enouf: haha,. ok ;) |
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| 23:53.54 | shanepardue | I even tried to android fonts to see if different fonts didn't look so jagged on my lcd, but they were bad too..it's something with the way debian is rendering fonts |
| 23:55.49 | adb | acu01: see http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-mail-server-setup-with-postfix-dovecot-sasl-squirrel-mail.html |
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| 23:56.14 | Maya | shanepardue: tried changing the font rendering ? |
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| 23:56.51 | enouf | shanepardue: play with your LCDs phase setting |
| 23:56.58 | enouf | 's* |
| 23:57.02 | shanepardue | Maya: Yes, subpixel smoothing and full hinting still doesn't look very good. Ubuntu patches their's I believe |
| 23:57.20 | Maya | shanepardue: google their forums |
| 23:57.57 | acu01 | abd: thanks I just went over the last one - is weird - the guy is saying to test with outlook express - how do you do that in Lenny ? - anyhow is not working for me as far as I can test - I will start with postfix one see if I am lucky |
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| 23:59.31 | shanepardue | enouf: I haven't heard of that setting |
| 23:59.41 | enouf | shanepardue: if anything the video drv is likely using some read-edid stuff, which tells it (xorg) which settings are available ... see if get-edid | parse-edid output looks the same between debian and ubuntu, compare xorg logs and drv versions. compare xrandr and xdpyinfo as well |
| 23:59.41 | adb | acu01: anyways hard to do that working ... |
