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| 00:02.28 | TheCoffeMaker | loco, shut it |
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| 00:04.35 | loco | I have several subdomains. The dns settings worked fine before. one.mysite.com two.mysite.com and so on. In the domain settings its set as "one A IP" where IP is my server IP. Two of the subdomains work, but the other ones don't resolve for some reason |
| 00:04.41 | loco | can I find out how somehow? |
| 00:05.48 | TheCoffeMaker | did you added the domain names in your hosts file? |
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| 00:06.47 | loco | in /etc/hosts ? |
| 00:06.55 | loco | or where? |
| 00:07.12 | TheCoffeMaker | yeap in /etc/hosts |
| 00:07.28 | loco | I see 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 00:07.37 | loco | what is the format for adding say site.com |
| 00:07.43 | loco | I know which my IP is |
| 00:07.48 | loco | what goes in the third field? |
| 00:08.02 | jpinx-eeepc | loco: what dns server are you running? |
| 00:08.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.23 | loco | You guys just reminded me of something.... |
| 00:08.28 | loco | wait a sec...... :) |
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| 00:09.54 | loco | ok. Say I have for my server. x.x.x.x loftblabla.serverloft.com loftblabla |
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| 00:10.02 | loco | how do I add mysite.com ? |
| 00:10.18 | TheCoffeMaker | x.x.x.x loftblabla.serverloft.com loftblabla mysite.com |
| 00:10.30 | TheCoffeMaker | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost mysite.com |
| 00:10.38 | TheCoffeMaker | ;) |
| 00:10.40 | jpinx-eeepc | that won't make it resolve on the internet |
| 00:10.57 | loco | jpinx-eeepc: DNS is managed via a CP. it works for other sites on the same server |
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| 00:11.07 | TheCoffeMaker | nop he should add the domain name to his dns server |
| 00:11.27 | jpinx-eeepc | wtf is CP? |
| 00:11.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, he's using computer-like logic... the answer is a) absolutely correct and b) totally useless |
| 00:11.32 | loco | sorry, control panel |
| 00:11.55 | jpinx-eeepc | loco - ask your administrator then |
| 00:12.00 | jpinx-eeepc | it's not a debian issue |
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| 00:12.33 | jpinx-eeepc | what's he using ffs? Webmin? :-/ |
| 00:12.36 | loco | just asking here because it worked fine on my fedora vps, and now its being annoying.. |
| 00:12.43 | loco | nope, all in ssh |
| 00:12.47 | TheCoffeMaker | loco ... nop ... it isn't a debian issue ... but you can check if your apache works well locally adding the domain name to hosts |
| 00:13.14 | loco | ok, ive locally added the domain name now to see if it helps in anyway |
| 00:13.16 | loco | thanks :) |
| 00:13.22 | jpinx-eeepc | TheCoffeMaker: that just fools you into thinking you're domain is available to the world ;) |
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| 00:13.59 | TheCoffeMaker | jpinx-eeepc, yes ... but if you want just to do a local test ... it will help |
| 00:14.13 | TheCoffeMaker | jpinx-eeepc, later you can go foward with your dns setup |
| 00:15.38 | TheCoffeMaker | jpinx-eeepc, this is the way that I use to develop websites, after putting them available in the wire |
| 00:16.12 | jpinx-eeepc | never puts public domains in /etc/hosts - it just confuses the issue |
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| 00:17.05 | TheCoffeMaker | jpinx-eeepc, ok |
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| 00:18.31 | kevin01123 | How would go about getting 64 bit java in iceweasel on Debian Lenny? |
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| 00:23.10 | abrotman | kevin01123: icedtea perhaps |
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| 00:27.13 | kevin01123 | abrotman: Would that work? It kind of shot craps on me last time I tried it. |
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| 00:27.40 | abrotman | it's supposed to worked with the icedtea gcj plugin or whatever it is |
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| 00:29.31 | kevin01123 | abrotman: Alright, thanks man. |
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| 00:34.33 | digii | hi, i just changed some interfaces on a debian server i made som bridges and stuff |
| 00:34.43 | digii | but now i cant login to the server anymore |
| 00:34.51 | digii | but my friend can still access it |
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| 00:35.19 | digii | can it my ip/auth got blacklisted somehow wfter the changes? |
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| 00:38.40 | luckylucy | anyone in here know how i can make a vhost resolv on my local network, all requests are forwarded through a router, but i don't know how the apache server knows which site to serve, it always uses the default. i asked in httpd, they said come here. |
| 00:39.42 | jpinx-eeepc | what has it got to do with debian? |
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| 00:41.01 | luckylucy | well, the router is debian, running shorewall, maybe nothing, but i figured if someone knew they would help. |
| 00:42.23 | enouf | luckylucy: look for VirtualHost stanzas you might need to add/update/modify in /etc/apache2/* |
| 00:42.28 | jpinx-eeepc | it sounds like an apache issue |
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| 00:42.48 | enouf | luckylucy: also check with man a2enmod, and docroot, etc ... |
| 00:42.53 | jpinx-eeepc | check your apache.conf file |
| 00:42.59 | enouf | er /sites_enabled |
| 00:43.50 | betz | how to reboot server with ssh? |
| 00:43.52 | enouf | luckylucy: they (#httpd) is more upstream and un-debianized which is likely why you were sent here |
| 00:44.55 | luckylucy | enouf: are you saying i am downstream for using nothing but debian? |
| 00:45.10 | abrotman | betz: 'reboot' |
| 00:45.11 | adb | betabot: shutdown -r now , as root ? |
| 00:45.17 | betz | thanx :) |
| 00:45.31 | enouf | luckylucy: i've installed (a while back) the linuxgazette pkgs, which include many searchable articles (though older now), but you can also find it on the web, then; you have all the stuff you can rgrep through in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 00:47.13 | enouf | luckylucy: your Shorewall settings then also become another issue you have to look into - check logs for both, etc |
| 00:48.02 | jpinx-eeepc | luckylucy: if you're getting the default apache page, your problem is apache - not the router |
| 00:50.44 | enouf | yeah, but shorewall, (and we have no idea if it's a debian pkg or self-compiled) on debian might affect apache operability, just as something like iptables, fail2ban, denyhosts might |
| 00:50.55 | enouf | judd: versions shorewall |
| 00:50.55 | judd | enouf: shorewall -- etch: 3.2.6-2 sid: 4.0.14-4 lenny: 4.0.15-1 sid: 4.0.15-1 |
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| 00:51.08 | enouf | well, atleast it's pkgd |
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| 00:57.45 | vipersniper | how do i undelete a file in debian |
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| 00:57.57 | vipersniper | with cmd line |
| 00:58.09 | Supaplex | !tell vipersniper -about repeat |
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| 00:58.30 | plediii | can anyone help me figure out why my user's crontab isn't running? |
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| 00:59.09 | plediii | i'm not getting any mail or logs |
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| 00:59.31 | plediii | crontab -l lists a job that is supposed to happen every minute, but nothing happens |
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| 00:59.51 | abrotman | can you show us the job ? |
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| 01:06.06 | csk00 | hi all! |
| 01:06.55 | csk00 | i have a little question, what is the correct way to install dokuwiki (or related CMS's) when i install it with apt-get install ? |
| 01:07.19 | csk00 | i mean, should i copy the files from /usr/shar/dokuwiki to /var/www or run it directly from /var/www |
| 01:07.19 | abrotman | judd: versions dokuwiki |
| 01:07.20 | judd | abrotman: dokuwiki -- etch: 0.0.20061106-6 etch-backports: 0.0.20070626b-1~bpo.1 lenny: 0.0.20080505-4 sid: 0.0.20080505-4 sid: 0.0.20080505-5 sid: 0.0.20090214-1 squeeze: 0.0.20090214-1 |
| 01:07.31 | csk00 | maybe a symbolic link? |
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| 01:16.23 | enouf | plediii: make sure there's a blank line (a \n) at the end of the crontab file |
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| 01:17.04 | enouf | plediii: (and maybe none at the beginning, i can't recall) but, i think it's a known bug |
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| 01:17.57 | enouf | plediii: other things, are you calling a script? if so, is it chmod +x? and what's the env you have setup if any? and answer abrotman 's question |
| 01:18.42 | enouf | plediii: are you using full /path/to/binary <username> <correct entries> in the crontab? |
| 01:18.48 | enouf | er.. whatever |
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| 01:33.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | csk00, /usr/share/doc/dokuwiki/README* doesn't tell you? Also, I'd think that there's an alias set to http;//yourhost/dokuwiki (as the most obvious choice)by the package and you would need do nothing? |
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| 01:35.45 | csk00 | CutMeOwnThroat, i doesn't know about that file |
| 01:35.51 | csk00 | i will read it now, thx |
| 01:36.12 | csk00 | and ... yes, i have to do something, because i'm not working with apache |
| 01:36.57 | enouf | lighttpd? |
| 01:37.05 | csk00 | yep ;) |
| 01:37.32 | csk00 | what i have curently done is a symbolic link from /var/www to /ush/share/dokuwiki |
| 01:37.48 | csk00 | and it is working and seems to be a "clean" installation |
| 01:37.56 | abrotman | csk00: did you install the debian package of dokuwiki ? |
| 01:38.06 | csk00 | yes |
| 01:38.30 | Supaplex | bleh. qemu-system-ppc -boot d -cdrom binary.iso -hda /dev/zero |
| 01:38.30 | Supaplex | qemu: warning: could not load VGA bios '/usr/share/qemu/video.x' |
| 01:38.30 | abrotman | so you should probably read the README |
| 01:38.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said that! |
| 01:38.44 | Supaplex | not in apt-file either. humm... |
| 01:39.29 | enouf | Supaplex: checkout what the .postinst scripts do |
| 01:39.34 | k-man | when you finger a local user, among other things, it says the date and time that mail was read. how is that worked out? (because it seems drasticly wrong on my system) |
| 01:40.09 | enouf | utmp? |
| 01:40.12 | csk00 | the README gives me a link to a wiki where is should be explained |
| 01:40.34 | csk00 | and .... it explains something, but not the debian way to do it |
| 01:40.51 | k-man | csk00: are you addressing that to me? |
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| 01:41.05 | k-man | enouf: i guess utmp does not get updated by imapd? |
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| 01:41.09 | csk00 | k-man, nop |
| 01:41.11 | dkr | k-man: stat /var/spool/mail/user access time |
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| 01:42.18 | fuzzy | he command that is used to install a basic root structure to a new filesystem? |
| 01:42.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=432161 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu/+bug/60478 your google must be broken |
| 01:42.39 | fuzzy | whats the command that is used to install a basic root structure to a new file system? |
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| 01:43.01 | k-man | dkr: so if you use maildir for email and courier imap for reading it, then the mail read time info in finger will be wrong |
| 01:43.09 | adb | fuzzy: debootstrap ? |
| 01:43.10 | abrotman | fuzzy: debootstrap ? |
| 01:43.27 | dkr | k-man: makes sense. finger is quite an old tech |
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| 01:43.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | k-man, the most obvious way would be to look in /var/spool/mail/$USER |
| 01:44.12 | fuzzy | adb, thank you! I've been mental blocked on that for a day now |
| 01:44.18 | fuzzy | abrotman, thank you too |
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| 01:44.44 | adb | k-man: mail |
| 01:45.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | k-man, of course that wouldn't work, because finger doesn't have the right to read that... hm, try strace -f -F finger someuser |
| 01:45.11 | enouf | k-man: don't know |
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| 01:46.18 | betz | Hey, i have a strange problem. I am adding a site with subdomains to my server. The site works, but with the subdomains are very obscure things happing. I have 4 subdomains, sometimes 2 work other dont, sometimes other way around. Its just random change without any reason. Does anyone recognize this behaviour? |
| 01:46.30 | betz | i want all 4 subdomains working! :) |
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| 01:47.15 | adb | not me ... |
| 01:47.56 | betz | and im not behind any proxy |
| 01:47.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | less /var/log/apache*/..... |
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| 01:48.05 | ae_ | kohana |
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| 01:48.50 | ae_ | hello - does anyone know if ftp sessions are logged in debian? |
| 01:49.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably in /var/log/auth.log |
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| 01:49.36 | ae_ | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks - i'll have a look |
| 01:49.48 | proveyourselftho | hi, someone can help me? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=39116 |
| 01:50.08 | flaccid | anyone recommend a guide on setting up chroot/jail for ssh users? |
| 01:50.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !alsa checklist |
| 01:50.09 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 01:50.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | flaccid, what would that accomplish |
| 01:51.13 | flaccid | CutMeOwnThroat my clients are chrooted. |
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| 01:51.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | clients? |
| 01:51.40 | [ka]killer | whats the short cut to open another tty session? |
| 01:51.52 | flaccid | yes |
| 01:51.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | chvt |
| 01:51.59 | flaccid | seems there is probably enough on google |
| 01:52.25 | abrotman | [ka]killer: open where? |
| 01:52.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | flaccid, so you have a working chroot? |
| 01:52.28 | flaccid | yawns |
| 01:52.36 | flaccid | not yet, thats what im susing out |
| 01:52.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | flaccid, if yes, man sshd_config /ChrootDirectory |
| 01:53.04 | [ka]killer | abrotman: what do you mean by where? i want to open a 2nd terminal on command line |
| 01:53.26 | abrotman | [ka]killer: at the console? |
| 01:53.28 | [ka]killer | yes |
| 01:53.28 | flaccid | pattern not found CutMeOwnThroat |
| 01:53.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | [ka]killer, ^^ |
| 01:53.41 | [ka]killer | why do i only decide to work on this thing when im half asleep... |
| 01:53.43 | abrotman | [ka]killer: you can use ctrl-alt-f2 to switch to the 2nd terminal .. or use screen |
| 01:54.04 | [ka]killer | thanks ^^ i really need to start working on this when im akwake |
| 01:54.06 | [ka]killer | awake* |
| 01:54.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | now watches how abrotman keeps rambling on |
| 01:54.17 | abrotman | yay? |
| 01:54.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | jepp :) |
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| 01:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | [ka]killer, <CutMeOwnThroat> chvt |
| 01:54.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, there are already several around |
| 01:55.38 | flaccid | http://olivier.sessink.nl/jailkit/howtos_chroot_shell.html jailkit seems to be the easiest |
| 01:56.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you on etch? |
| 01:56.52 | flaccid | is on lenny |
| 01:57.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | and dpkg -l openssh-server says? |
| 01:57.34 | flaccid | ii openssh-server 1:5.1p1-5 secure shell server, an rshd replacement |
| 01:57.39 | [ka]killer | stupid question that i should know by now... where to i check which packages i already have installed? |
| 01:57.49 | flaccid | [ka]killer dpkg -l |
| 01:58.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | same version as I have - you must have ChrootDirectory in man sshd_config |
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| 01:58.52 | flaccid | CutMeOwnThroat yeah scrolling down finds it but / did not |
| 01:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | [ka]killer, dpkg -l |
| 01:59.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | you must have included spaces or something |
| 01:59.22 | flaccid | i did not. |
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| 01:59.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | did, too |
| 01:59.34 | flaccid | did not :p |
| 01:59.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | did, too\ |
| 01:59.40 | flaccid | hehe |
| 02:00.02 | flaccid | anyway that will chroot all logins, whereis i want mine to be dependent on the users shell configured in /etc/passwd |
| 02:00.05 | caimlas | where would I go about finding installation media for older (ie discontinued) releases of debian - for instance, woody, sarge, etc.? I'm doing a comparative study of distros from the last 8 years or so (primarily debian) and need to get installation media for them. |
| 02:00.38 | amitz | is my memory failing me but lenny didn't have ruby 1.9 in the past? |
| 02:00.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess you can have a shell-script as a shell that does the chroot... have to include it in the list of valid shells, though |
| 02:00.46 | bjk | flaccid, pam? |
| 02:00.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's hackish :) |
| 02:01.01 | flaccid | bjk yeah |
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| 02:01.20 | flaccid | seems jailkit does all this well |
| 02:01.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | caimlas, http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive ? |
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| 02:02.06 | bsmntbombdood | how can i install all the packages in what the installer calls "the base system"? |
| 02:02.31 | [ka]killer | um.. |
| 02:02.40 | adb | caimlas: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 02:02.43 | caimlas | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks, that's what I was after. |
| 02:02.51 | [ka]killer | is it even possible to install with out the base system? |
| 02:03.03 | caimlas | adb, any idea if there are netinst sources anywhere? |
| 02:03.37 | bsmntbombdood | i didn't use the installer to get them because i wanted a usable system while stuff was downloading |
| 02:03.50 | abrotman | caimlas: sources for packages? or sources to build your own netinst ? |
| 02:04.03 | abrotman | !tell caimlas about cd archive |
| 02:04.15 | [ka]killer | o, i've never had to bother installing them after |
| 02:04.19 | [ka]killer | i always just let the base install |
| 02:04.27 | adb | caimlas: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/cd-sources/ ? |
| 02:04.37 | caimlas | abrotman, sorry, I meant netboot |
| 02:04.43 | caimlas | for pxe based install |
| 02:04.55 | abrotman | caimlas: the cd archive isn't good enough ? |
| 02:05.15 | caimlas | abrotman, then I've got to 'waste' CDRs :P |
| 02:05.21 | abrotman | CDRWs ? |
| 02:05.22 | heroxbd | hey guys. When I try to bind a port, it says "address already in use". But "netstat -anp" gives no clue. How can I find what occupied the port and kill it? |
| 02:05.34 | amitz | how to check when did a package added to a repository? |
| 02:05.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | fuser port/tcp (as root) |
| 02:05.46 | abrotman | amitz: which package? |
| 02:06.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | netstat should show it in use, though |
| 02:06.04 | amitz | ruby1.9 |
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| 02:06.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, lsof .... |
| 02:06.42 | abrotman | amitz: look at the changelog or something like http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/ruby1.9.html |
| 02:06.57 | amitz | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:07.30 | abrotman | amitz: changelog implies 2005 |
| 02:09.04 | adb | caimlas: an example http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-3.1/main/installer-i386/20050317sarge2/images/netboot/ |
| 02:09.24 | caimlas | adb, ah, thanks mate. |
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| 02:10.08 | amitz | abrotman: hmmm... i see. |
| 02:10.09 | bsmntbombdood | oh, they called it "standard" |
| 02:10.09 | abrotman | do you?! |
| 02:10.36 | bsmntbombdood | so how do i get those packages/ |
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| 02:12.08 | heroxbd | CutMeOwnThroat: 2009/05/15 10:02:55 socat[28049] E bind(3, {AF=10 [0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000]:22}, 28): Address already in use --- and fuser -6 22/tcp gives nothing. |
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| 02:12.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | why -6? |
| 02:13.03 | bsmntbombdood | ah, "tasksel" |
| 02:13.26 | heroxbd | CutMeOwnThroat: oh its ok now. Thank you. |
| 02:13.30 | abrotman | aptitude install "~pstandard" |
| 02:13.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | he he |
| 02:13.56 | heroxbd | CutMeOwnThroat: I just wanted to use socat to listen to an ipv6 address for a ipv4 only program. |
| 02:14.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, ipv4/6 goes on a per-program basis? |
| 02:15.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought it'd just matter how you configured you interfaces... |
| 02:15.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | mainly |
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| 02:17.25 | heroxbd | CutMeOwnThroat: I am on a dual stack network. So the ethernet interface have ipv6 and ipv4 addresses. |
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| 02:19.53 | [ka]killer | how do i get to a samba share from console? |
| 02:20.07 | abrotman | smbclient |
| 02:20.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | thought so... but even then I thought programs would just listen to *:80 or something and bob's your uncle |
| 02:22.05 | streuner__ | and my mommy is queen of england? |
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| 02:23.02 | sylr | hello |
| 02:23.13 | sylr | could anyone tell me what's the difference between `addgroup <name>` and `addgroup --system <name>` ? thanks |
| 02:24.06 | naiv | what do you say, university matters ? subjects ? |
| 02:24.16 | ae_ | is there a default firewall shipped with debian etch? i just tried to use iptables and it wasn't there :) thought i'd check to see if something else is installed before i whack iptables on |
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| 02:24.46 | \amethyst | sylr: 1. a different UID range is used; 2. the user has primary gid 'nogroup' by default; 3. the shell is /bin/false; 4. /etc/skel is not copied |
| 02:24.59 | \amethyst | sylr: this is all under 'Add a system user' in man adduser |
| 02:25.17 | \amethyst | sylr: oh, system group, not system user |
| 02:25.31 | \amethyst | sylr: different GID range is all, then |
| 02:25.39 | dkr | ae_: regular users don't have /sbin in their path by default, I think. (whichis where iptables is) |
| 02:26.07 | sylr | thanks \amethyst :) |
| 02:26.10 | ae_ | dkr: ah :) thanks for the tip |
| 02:26.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, she is? |
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| 02:26.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry |
| 02:26.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, she is, your majesty? |
| 02:27.53 | dkr | a prince would be addressed as "your highness" ;) |
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| 02:28.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | sylr, you find man addgroup confusing? |
| 02:28.56 | sylr | heu, I've only read addgroup --help |
| 02:29.05 | sylr | ... |
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| 02:29.27 | sylr | I've should have started with that you're right |
| 02:29.33 | [ka]killer | humm for some reason im not name resolving to the network |
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| 02:31.08 | customer | how do you update i am running debian 5 with lxde |
| 02:31.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, well, I never suspected that streuner, his highness... I came unprepared :( |
| 02:31.24 | abrotman | customer: aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 02:31.35 | customer | thanks |
| 02:31.47 | [ka]killer | any ideas about name resolution not working? |
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| 02:32.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | network down? dns server not reachable? |
| 02:32.43 | [ka]killer | its lan... |
| 02:32.58 | [ka]killer | every other computer on the network name resolves fine |
| 02:33.05 | [ka]killer | so smb://jimmy works fine |
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| 02:33.56 | pickcoder | netbios != DNS |
| 02:34.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's quite irrelevant |
| 02:34.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ping 134.34.3.2 |
| 02:34.14 | flaccid | nmbd *cough* |
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| 02:34.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands flaccid a lozenge |
| 02:34.52 | [ka]killer | 9% packet loss |
| 02:35.00 | customer | i just updated and it says there was none is that normal |
| 02:35.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | so net is still ok |
| 02:35.21 | pickcoder | 9% packet loss is ok? |
| 02:35.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... |
| 02:35.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | "ok" |
| 02:35.37 | [ka]killer | yeah, network is fine |
| 02:35.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, ok? |
| 02:35.39 | flaccid | if its not wireless of some kind, there certainly is a problem |
| 02:35.44 | pickcoder | "ok" |
| 02:35.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok! |
| 02:35.54 | [ka]killer | i was just sshed over |
| 02:35.59 | [ka]killer | so i know the box is connected |
| 02:36.03 | [ka]killer | and i see it on the router |
| 02:36.08 | [ka]killer | but just as an ip |
| 02:36.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | so look at the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf ... e.g. remove the 1st one so the 2nd one is used |
| 02:36.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn thing seems to always start with the 1st time, so you have to wait for a timeout on every lookup |
| 02:36.55 | [ka]killer | humm |
| 02:37.00 | [ka]killer | it only has one |
| 02:37.05 | [ka]killer | nameserver 172.47.10.1 |
| 02:37.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's an internal ip... |
| 02:37.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | your router |
| 02:37.28 | [ka]killer | thats where it should be going |
| 02:37.39 | Tramp | 172.47 is not RFC1918 |
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| 02:38.11 | customer | i just run aptitude update and aptitude safe-upgrade and it said no packages found to update is that right |
| 02:38.13 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys 1918 |
| 02:38.14 | dpkg | Factoid search of '1918' by key (4): _default rfc 1918 ;; rfc 1918 ;; rfc1918 ;; _default rfc1918. |
| 02:38.26 | streuner | !rfc 1918 |
| 02:38.27 | dpkg | RFC 1918 reserves three groups of address for private use, 10.0.0.0/8; 172.16.0.0/12; 192.168.0.0/16 . |
| 02:38.29 | pickcoder | customer: it could be |
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| 02:38.41 | abrotman | customer: that might be correct |
| 02:38.50 | [ka]killer | that could cause it |
| 02:38.57 | [ka]killer | goes off to reset hsi dhcp server |
| 02:39.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, !next |
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| 02:40.08 | [ka]killer | so 172.16.10.x would be fine |
| 02:40.12 | [ka]killer | or does it need to be .0 |
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| 02:40.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 02:40.38 | [ka]killer | i always forget that standard >_< my major is networking i should know this |
| 02:40.46 | abrotman | major? |
| 02:40.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | and 172.20.10.x would also be fine :) |
| 02:40.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | major pain in the neck |
| 02:41.05 | [ka]killer | cs major networking emphasis |
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| 02:45.53 | [ka]killer_ | humm |
| 02:46.12 | [ka]killer_ | only half of the systems got new ip addresses.... |
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| 02:48.40 | [ka]killer_ | grrr |
| 02:50.06 | flaccid | if you have packet loss then some dhcp leases probably were missed |
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| 02:50.51 | [ka]killer_ | yeah it seems that way |
| 02:51.31 | loco | hi, how can i set parameters for a module at boot ? like i want to specify outdoors=1 to ath_pci when it loads |
| 02:51.59 | loco | so i don't have to reload the module by hand with the parm |
| 02:52.06 | abrotman | /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 02:52.55 | loco | abrotman, i just create a file there with the module name followed by the parm ? |
| 02:53.01 | loco | or what do i do |
| 02:53.12 | abrotman | there are samples in the dir IIRC |
| 02:53.15 | loco | aa |
| 02:53.16 | loco | ok |
| 02:53.34 | loco | i have no such dir in there |
| 02:54.39 | [ka]killer_ | what should be in resolv.conf? just one line? |
| 02:54.57 | abrotman | loco: are you on lenny ? |
| 02:55.04 | loco | abrotman, yes |
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| 02:55.29 | abrotman | AFAIK .. that's the right place |
| 02:55.33 | [ka]killer_ | humm... where do i check what name the system is telling the nameserver to identify it as? |
| 02:55.58 | [ka]killer_ | I've never had to mess with this before... name resolution has always just worked |
| 02:56.09 | loco | abrotman, i'll try making a file there and put in it "ath_pci outdoors=1" |
| 02:56.21 | loco | uhmm options ath_pci .. |
| 02:56.21 | abrotman | man modprobe might give more hints |
| 02:56.22 | loco | bla |
| 02:58.44 | adb | [ka]killer: has that line in /etc/resolv.conf ? > nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
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| 02:59.49 | [ka]killer_ | nameserver 172.16.10.1 |
| 03:00.05 | abrotman | that won't help netbios resolution unless he changes the nsswitch.conf |
| 03:00.08 | adb | so add mine too |
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| 03:01.55 | [ka]killer_ | does nto seem to have helped |
| 03:02.20 | betz | How can i change where the home folder of a user is located? |
| 03:02.26 | streuner_ | read the manual of your router |
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| 03:03.04 | streuner_ | isnt it /home/<user>? Why do you want to change it? |
| 03:03.29 | betz | because its a migration, from system with plesk |
| 03:03.43 | betz | then i can leave all things like they are |
| 03:03.55 | stew | betz: use usermod |
| 03:04.01 | betz | aha |
| 03:04.02 | [ka]killer_ | my other box has nameserver 172.16.10.1 same as the new box and it resolves just fine |
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| 03:04.29 | [ka]killer_ | where would i check what name it is telling the router? |
| 03:05.27 | streuner_ | do you use DHCP? |
| 03:05.32 | [ka]killer_ | yes |
| 03:05.50 | streuner_ | hm, just edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
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| 03:09.01 | [ka]killer_ | its /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
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| 03:09.38 | sparta | I need to set wireless on debian lenny |
| 03:09.49 | [ka]killer_ | i quit for the night |
| 03:09.52 | [ka]killer_ | later |
| 03:10.11 | streuner_ | sparta: what kind of chipset? |
| 03:10.22 | streuner_ | Did you read ig about yet? |
| 03:10.22 | sparta | how to find that? |
| 03:10.30 | streuner_ | lspci -v |
| 03:12.14 | sparta | ath5k_pci |
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| 03:12.26 | streuner_ | thats the module name |
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| 03:12.44 | streuner_ | but anyway, if that supports your chipset its just fine... |
| 03:13.17 | streuner_ | read more at wiki.debian.org |
| 03:13.28 | sparta | okay |
| 03:14.26 | streuner_ | http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
| 03:14.47 | sparta | okay i will go through that |
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| 03:17.52 | chuck | Hey, how do I install BerkeleyDB on debian? |
| 03:18.51 | stew | chuck: aptitude install libdb4.3 or aptitude install libdb4.4 or some such |
| 03:19.11 | stew | i guess 4.6 or 4.7 is actually current |
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| 03:19.58 | streuner_ | libdb4.6 - Berkeley v4.6 Datenbankbibliotheken [Laufzeit] |
| 03:19.58 | streuner_ | libdb4.7 - Bibliotheken für die Berkeley-Datenbank v4.7 [Laufzeit] |
| 03:20.14 | streuner_ | last entries via apt-cache search berkeley |
| 03:21.55 | caimlas | where might I go about acquiring Debian Woody installation media? |
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| 03:22.31 | streuner_ | why do you want woody? |
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| 03:24.14 | streuner_ | caimlas: /msg dpkg woody |
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| 03:58.02 | wire | can someone tell me what package i need to install to get kdm to work in sid when it says the there is no greeter plugin? |
| 03:58.21 | wire | i can't get into X atm so i can't search around for the answer |
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| 03:59.49 | wire | the exact message is "No greeter widget plugin loaded. check the configuration" |
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| 04:06.54 | Tramp | wire: you can use a cli browser to search around for the answer |
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| 04:18.40 | tonybaba | I would like to backup my system. I have read a couple of webpages on the subject. I am tempted to use an rsync script method, but all webpages about rsync are a little dated. Is using rsync still a better option? How do you backup? |
| 04:20.19 | flaccid | tonybaba yeah tar gz then rsync to transfer it remote is a viable option |
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| 04:22.35 | erlehmann | hmmm, my upgrade thingy no longer works |
| 04:22.35 | erlehmann | it always growls about unmet dependencies, but i am sure there are none |
| 04:22.35 | erlehmann | i use testing, anyone in here can help? |
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| 04:24.26 | sparta | which kernel image should I install to set wireless for ath9k? |
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| 04:25.10 | sparta | aptitude install linux-image-2.6.29-1-686 wireless-tools ---says could not find package |
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| 04:26.49 | tonybaba | thanks flaccid |
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| 04:27.06 | flaccid | np |
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| 04:29.58 | Tramp | tonybaba: many people have no need to backup a system. You may want to backup data and configuration and reinstall the system in case of failure. But what exactly you need depends upon what exactly you want |
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| 04:31.30 | Tramp | !things to backup |
| 04:31.31 | dpkg | A list of some of the things you should back up on your box is: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor this list to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf ... |
| 04:32.00 | mohan_ | hi.. |
| 04:32.06 | tonybaba | Tramp: nice, thank you |
| 04:32.19 | mohan_ | i can't move mouse nor type anything in login screen.. |
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| 04:33.39 | Supaplex | mohan_: what kind of login screen? we need details. |
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| 04:40.27 | mohan_ | actually when i reboot and when gui appears, i can't move mouse nor i can type anything on login screen.. |
| 04:40.38 | mohan_ | i can go into terminal and do things.. |
| 04:40.43 | mohan_ | but not in gui mode.. |
| 04:40.50 | Csow | I am looking for a file called linux-gate.so.1 but dont know where it is located is there a way to tell |
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| 04:41.12 | Supaplex | Csow: it's virtual afiak. part of the kernel api etc. |
| 04:41.37 | mohan_ | any suggestions Supaplex? |
| 04:41.41 | mohan_ | for me pls.. |
| 04:42.00 | Supaplex | mohan_: what's changed? did it work before? |
| 04:42.09 | Csow | ok |
| 04:42.19 | mohan_ | yes... I installed some updates regarding alsa and pulse audio.. |
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| 04:42.31 | mohan_ | after that this happened.. |
| 04:42.58 | Supaplex | mohan_: testing? unstable? lenny? |
| 04:43.10 | mohan_ | hmmm.. ubuntu studio |
| 04:43.19 | Supaplex | well you're in the wrong channel |
| 04:43.24 | Supaplex | !tell mohan_ -about ubuntu |
| 04:43.36 | mohan_ | oh.. |
| 04:44.06 | mohan_ | ok.. sorry.. |
| 04:44.08 | Supaplex | good luck |
| 04:44.13 | mohan_ | thanks.. |
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| 04:47.09 | tonybaba | flaccid: (about backup) If I tar gz before I rsync. Will I be able to make a differential backup? |
| 04:47.52 | Supaplex | mmm rsync. |
| 04:49.05 | tonybaba | Supaplex, how do you backup your config files? |
| 04:49.21 | Supaplex | hap hazardly I must admit |
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| 04:50.30 | flaccid | tonybaba whats differential mean? i forget? |
| 04:50.37 | flaccid | thats the same as incremental right |
| 04:50.54 | tonybaba | I think |
| 04:50.59 | wire | Tramp: that isn't a very good solution |
| 04:51.12 | wire | plus everyone that installs kde4 has to do this |
| 04:51.16 | flaccid | thats what rsync does.. |
| 04:51.17 | flaccid | its delta |
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| 04:51.34 | Tramp | differential is "difference to some base" incremental is "difference to the previous" |
| 04:51.35 | Supaplex | you can use link-dest ftw. |
| 04:51.56 | Tramp | so incremental is a special case of differential |
| 04:52.14 | tonybaba | Incremental is what I meant |
| 04:52.42 | tonybaba | ok, I will deepen myself a little further into it. Thank you |
| 04:53.56 | Supaplex | I always get them mixed up. all I can remember on the spot is, incremental and differencials are not full backups. :) |
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| 04:54.31 | blouf | hi there |
| 04:55.21 | blouf | anyone to help ? |
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| 04:56.13 | warthog | blouf: what is your q? |
| 04:57.21 | wire | ok, if someone complains that they are getting a no greeter widget pluging error, they need to apt-get install kde-workspace-bin |
| 04:58.27 | blouf | warthog: well, just installed gnome on a fresh squeeze deb, when playing around ... about sound : master is 00, when increasing volume i hear a "iiiiiiiiih" it's the mic |
| 04:59.19 | blouf | anyway |
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| 05:00.36 | muh2000 | hi |
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| 05:00.51 | muh2000 | does debian store somewhere information about disksize? |
| 05:01.22 | CrazyTux[m] | hey guys, I'm configuring my xorg.conf file how do I grab my vga bus ID? |
| 05:01.27 | CrazyTux[m] | lspci not seeing it... |
| 05:02.16 | muh2000 | i did rsync, format of sda1 and put the data back on the new partition. df says the disk is still as big as it was before format |
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| 05:03.39 | liable | muh2000: i think you need to reboot. the kernel keeps the old data, i think there is one way to make it reread the partition table, but i cant remember it |
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| 05:04.00 | muh2000 | liable: already did a reboot and also fsck |
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| 05:04.18 | liable | oh, well then it should show the correct size |
| 05:04.22 | skyl | http://dvswitch.alioth.debian.org/wiki/ it's okay all of the invalid certificate messages? |
| 05:04.31 | \amethyst | muh2000: how did you rsync? |
| 05:04.58 | muh2000 | \amethyst: sync -Saq --numeric-ids --exclude=/proc --exclude=/sys -e 'ssh -c blowfish' SourceServer:/ path_to_SourceServer_img/ |
| 05:05.04 | liable | rsynced the old partition table you think? |
| 05:05.17 | muh2000 | nah not the partition table |
| 05:05.33 | skyl | I am with PyATL, I'm here to help ;) |
| 05:06.27 | liable | whats the img though? how did you make that? |
| 05:06.36 | muh2000 | it is just a folder |
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| 05:08.48 | liable | muh2000: and you changed the size obviously when you repartitioned? |
| 05:08.55 | muh2000 | liable: yes |
| 05:09.03 | muh2000 | cfdisk is showing the right size |
| 05:09.07 | liable | how are you measering it now? |
| 05:09.11 | muh2000 | df -h |
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| 05:19.14 | muh2000 | brb |
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| 05:21.20 | enouf | muh2000: 1st off, you should've used --one-filesystem instead of exclude |
| 05:21.43 | enouf | you forgot to --exclude=/dev and others |
| 05:21.53 | enouf | you forgot to remount ro ... etc |
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| 05:22.40 | enouf | liable: can't make kernel reread / adjust partition table if / FS is on same disk |
| 05:23.11 | liable | oh, i'll forget that for next time ;) |
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| 05:34.53 | erlehmann_ | hello, my testing-system won't let me install new packages via apt-get. anyone here who can help me ? |
| 05:35.40 | bolt | !errors |
| 05:35.41 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. |
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| 05:36.47 | enouf | !testing |
| 05:36.48 | dpkg | [testing] a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <squeeze> and as <lenny> has only just been released, squeeze users are in for a bumpy ride. Either be clueful or be told that you shouldn't be using testing. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html. Ask me about <testing faq><lenny->squeeze><testing security><moving target><dda><apt-listchanges><bts>. |
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| 05:37.33 | enouf | heh , a <factoid> shmorgasboard :-P |
| 05:37.42 | enouf | er |
| 05:38.35 | bolt | so far it's mostly the big stuff like kde and gnome that's been broken in testing, isn't it? |
| 05:38.49 | bolt | haven't kept up to speed, as my testing system just tends to work automagically |
| 05:39.06 | bolt | and i don't run kde/gnome :) |
| 05:39.28 | erlehmann_ | bolt: http://debian.pastebin.com/dfad2888 |
| 05:39.45 | bolt | erlehmann_: please address the channel, not me specifically :) |
| 05:39.49 | erlehmann_ | oh |
| 05:40.03 | erlehmann_ | well then, an illustration of my problem can be found here http://debian.pastebin.com/dfad2888 |
| 05:40.32 | bolt | erlehmann_: try installing it with aptitude. perhaps that can solve your dependency issues for you |
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| 05:41.32 | bolt | looks like you have more than testing in your sources, though |
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| 05:43.19 | enouf | Smörgåsbord |
| 05:43.22 | enouf | there |
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| 05:44.22 | erlehmann_ | bolt, no. i had debian multimedia in there, but it made trouble so i kicked it out. |
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| 05:47.22 | benschwarz | Hey folks |
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| 05:47.53 | benschwarz | I'm echo'ing a file and piping it into `tee`. I'm finding that \ is being placed on every line ending. How can I stop that? |
| 05:49.05 | \amethyst | benschwarz: how do you echo a file? |
| 05:50.01 | benschwarz | \amethyst: well, actually I'm outputting the text via ruby and shelling |
| 05:50.22 | \amethyst | so one of those things is probably appending the \ |
| 05:50.54 | benschwarz | \amethyst: You're saying that echo wouldn't be doing it? |
| 05:51.20 | \amethyst | appending a backslash? no |
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| 05:53.12 | bolt | suspects \amethyst of being run through ruby |
| 05:54.05 | erlehmann_ | bolt, oh i didn't know aptitude could do THAT |
| 05:54.26 | bolt | !+tell erlehmann_ about why aptitude |
| 05:54.28 | dpkg | told erlehmann_ about why aptitude (aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.) |
| 05:54.43 | bolt | gah. how do you get it to not stuff the message into #debian |
| 05:54.46 | bolt | anyway |
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| 05:54.53 | bolt | erlehmann_: good :) |
| 05:54.59 | erlehmann_ | thx bolt |
| 05:55.02 | Supaplex | well, don't use !+ for one |
| 05:55.17 | liable | bolt: -about (or dont use +tell |
| 05:55.28 | bolt | ah. -about. right. |
| 05:57.15 | bergwolf | hello, anybody knows how to change the bit-per-pixel of a bmp image? |
| 05:57.23 | k-man | bergwolf: oh, like from say an 8 bit to 16 bit or something? |
| 05:57.33 | bergwolf | yeah |
| 05:57.48 | bergwolf | with imagemagick or something like |
| 05:58.36 | k-man | bergwolf: yes, im sure imagemagick could do it |
| 05:58.50 | bergwolf | k-man, but how? |
| 05:58.51 | jmarsden | command line: use imagemagick or netpbm. GUI: Load it into GIMP, mess with it, save it again... |
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| 05:59.27 | dimir | Good morning! |
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| 06:00.12 | bergwolf | man convert, grep bits. I didn't find something related |
| 06:00.21 | k-man | bergwolf: sorry, i don't know, but i think reading the man page might help |
| 06:01.00 | bergwolf | k-man, thank you all the same :) |
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| 06:01.47 | bergwolf | jmarsden, do you know convert parameters to change bpp? |
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| 06:02.12 | jmarsden | I'd read the man page; I don't know them from memory, no. |
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| 06:02.55 | k-man | bergwolf: have a look at this page: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php |
| 06:03.11 | k-man | bergwolf: search for bit-depth i think |
| 06:03.47 | k-man | bergwolf: -depth 8 will set it to 8 bits per colour |
| 06:04.00 | k-man | i think - from reading that page anyway |
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| 06:06.26 | bergwolf | no, -depth didn't change bpp. I still have a 32bit bmp. I need to make it 24bit |
| 06:06.45 | bergwolf | from the manual, it should work. strange |
| 06:07.07 | bergwolf | I'll see if it's my program's fault |
| 06:07.21 | bergwolf | thank you k-man |
| 06:07.22 | creature_ | how do you install a bluetooth headset to debian? |
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| 06:12.36 | creature_ | i can't find any information with google |
| 06:12.42 | creature_ | its all outdated |
| 06:13.08 | Trey_ | guys, why does my DNS keep getting lost |
| 06:13.18 | Trey_ | keep having to put it in |
| 06:13.47 | \amethyst | Trey_: is it getting replaced with something? |
| 06:14.00 | Trey_ | yeah |
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| 06:14.29 | \amethyst | Trey_: do you have the package 'resolvconf' or 'dhcp3-client' ? |
| 06:14.59 | Trey_ | i know that i atfirst tried editing resolv.conf |
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| 06:15.16 | \amethyst | Trey_: 'resolvconf' is a packages that auto-manages resolv.conf |
| 06:15.18 | \amethyst | a packages |
| 06:15.21 | \amethyst | gah |
| 06:15.26 | \amethyst | s/s// |
| 06:15.36 | Trey_ | ah |
| 06:15.40 | Trey_ | ok, ill try that out |
| 06:15.44 | \amethyst | Trey_: no, no |
| 06:16.07 | \amethyst | Trey_: I was asking if it's installed. If it's not installed, then it's most likely your DHCP client doing it |
| 06:16.31 | \amethyst | Trey_: if it is installed, then it's probably resolvconf overwriting your changes |
| 06:17.47 | Trey_ | so i should remove one? |
| 06:17.55 | \amethyst | Trey_: do you have resolvconf? |
| 06:18.17 | \amethyst | Trey_: if so, you should look in its documentation (I don't know it very well, as I don't have it installed) |
| 06:18.44 | Trey_ | im in windows atm, but like i say i know i do have a resolv.conf file |
| 06:18.51 | \amethyst | Trey_: if not, to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf add a line prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
| 06:19.07 | \amethyst | Trey_: I'm not asking about the file /etc/resolv.conf, but about the package resolvconf |
| 06:19.33 | \amethyst | Trey_: to find out dpkg -l resolvconf if the second letter is an i then it's installed |
| 06:20.03 | Trey_ | yeah i gotta boot into debian in ab out an hour, needed ms office for a report |
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| 06:46.11 | intx | how do I move a bunch of directories with files inside? debian etch/bash |
| 06:46.52 | \amethyst | mv dir1 /somewhere/else moving a directory will move the files inside |
| 06:47.20 | intx | I get a message from mv, saying it can't move the directory because "Directory not empty" |
| 06:47.30 | \amethyst | intx: what's the exact command? |
| 06:49.35 | Supaplex | intx: YOU! |
| 06:49.43 | Supaplex | intx: wassup!?!?! :) |
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| 06:50.13 | Supaplex | intx: awww. your /whois spoils :( |
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| 06:50.31 | intx | \amethyst: mv a* abc |
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| 06:50.55 | Supaplex | intx: does santas, or solarx, mattx remind you of any good times? |
| 06:51.28 | \amethyst | intx: I would expect you to get "cannot move abc to a subdirectory of itself" instead |
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| 06:51.59 | \amethyst | or awk I guess :) |
| 06:52.01 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 06:53.15 | intx | \amethyst: i get that message, as expected, but after the other directories (e.g. abcd) doesn't move, I get a message mv: cannot move `abcdU' to `abc': Directory not empty |
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| 06:53.58 | Supaplex | intx: find abcdU |
| 06:54.08 | Supaplex | just itself? strace perhaps? |
| 06:54.30 | intx | there are files in the directory.. i want them to overwrite the files in abc though |
| 06:54.38 | CrazyTux[m] | Hey guys having a hell of a time getting xorg.conf right with a ATI Radeon (Dual Head DVI) |
| 06:54.44 | CrazyTux[m] | ATI Radeon 4850* that is. |
| 06:54.58 | CrazyTux[m] | Any help / suggestions? |
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| 06:55.53 | liable | CrazyTux[m]: #radeonhd might be a good place to ask |
| 06:56.22 | \amethyst | intx: are any of these symbolic links instead of directories? |
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| 06:57.40 | intx | nope |
| 06:58.00 | Supaplex | immutable files? |
| 06:58.04 | intx | hm, just tested something.. if I do a mv abcd abc, I still get a "Directory not empty." |
| 06:58.14 | intx | just regular files |
| 06:58.29 | intx | permission 755 |
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| 06:58.52 | Supaplex | how many inodes are available on .. no, that would throw insufficent disk space. |
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| 06:59.25 | intx | for the record there are files within the directory i'm trying to move to with the same names.. i want it to overwrite those files |
| 06:59.32 | intx | i think that has a lot to do with it |
| 06:59.37 | intx | mv -f doesn't seem to do it though |
| 06:59.52 | intx | i'm guessing mv -f doesn't like recursive directories |
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| 07:00.57 | intx | hm found something |
| 07:00.57 | intx | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=389432 |
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| 07:01.03 | intx | apparently i'm not the only one who's noticed it :P |
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| 07:06.06 | intx | hm |
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| 07:06.15 | intx | apparently reported 2006 and not fixed yet? :( |
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| 07:29.28 | Rapp | hi everyone! |
| 07:29.56 | Rapp | the debian FAQ says that there should be a termcap-compat package, however current testing does not have that file. how do i get that package? |
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| 07:31.42 | eusto | hi, what package do i need to install in lenny for c man pages? |
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| 07:32.30 | liable | ah, its in non-free, forget the name |
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| 07:33.14 | liable | oh no, glibc-doc |
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| 07:33.59 | liable | glibc-doc-reference is the reference manual in non-free |
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| 07:45.58 | swolchok | how can I fsck a 400-500 GB FAT partition without fsck eating up all my RAM? |
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| 07:46.53 | creature_ | fsck you! |
| 07:47.05 | elenril | how can i give locally built packages same priority as those from official debian repos? |
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| 07:48.57 | subsume | I can't for the life of me figure out why my cron.daily scripts aren't running. One simply keeps a list of big server files, and the other is a db backup script. Worked fine in 4.0 |
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| 07:49.48 | dondelelcaro | subsume: and you've checked your /etc/crontab and it looks ok? you've not installed anacron and failed to run it hourly? |
| 07:49.48 | jaggz- | I can't get exim to send out mail sent from /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 07:49.57 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: examine the logs |
| 07:50.17 | swolchok | agh it's 4 AM here |
| 07:50.40 | dondelelcaro | swolchok: uh... fsck should have no problem checking that drive. if it does, something is wrong |
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| 07:51.30 | swolchok | dondelelcaro: google seems to suggest otherwise |
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| 07:51.56 | caraconan | Hi. Someone can recommend me a ftp server? My main option is pure-ftpd |
| 07:51.57 | dondelelcaro | swolchok: which filesystem? |
| 07:52.12 | swolchok | dondelelcaro: FAT32 |
| 07:52.26 | epsilon | caraconan: depends what you want to do with the server |
| 07:52.41 | swolchok | I googled fsck.vfat RAM and found another report of it sucking ram on big drives |
| 07:52.43 | dondelelcaro | uh... I've no clue if fsck.fat32 even does anything useful |
| 07:52.52 | caraconan | No much traffic, 3 or 4 users, for home files transfer |
| 07:52.57 | swolchok | probably fscks up the drive |
| 07:53.01 | dondelelcaro | but any behavoir from it wouldn't surprise me |
| 07:53.06 | jaggz- | dondel, took a while to find them .. |
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| 07:53.38 | epsilon | caraconan: system users or virtual users? |
| 07:53.45 | epsilon | (ftp-only users) |
| 07:53.47 | caraconan | I prefer virtual users |
| 07:53.54 | subsume | dondelelcaro: looks ok to me? http://dpaste.com/44307/ |
| 07:54.05 | caraconan | For this reason I tried in the past with pure-ftpd |
| 07:54.12 | subsume | no anacron AFAIK |
| 07:54.19 | epsilon | caraconan: or proftpd |
| 07:54.26 | dondelelcaro | subsume: and ls -l /usr/sbin/anacron? |
| 07:54.40 | caraconan | epsilon thanks a lot.I take a look |
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| 07:55.00 | subsume | dondelelcaro: no, but my crontab does mention anacron.... |
| 07:55.18 | dondelelcaro | subsume: that's fine; so long as /usr/sbin/anacron doesn't exist, it'll run the cron.daily as normal. |
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| 07:55.50 | subsume | yeah, it doesn't exist.... and yet the daily scripts don't run. |
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| 07:55.53 | dondelelcaro | subsume: the daily cronjobs probably are actually running then (check /var/log/auth.log if you want to double check); most likely the problem is with your cron scripts. |
| 07:56.13 | subsume | i swear these are copies of scripts from a 4.0 server that works fine |
| 07:56.24 | subsume | also, if i run them manually, they work fine |
| 07:56.33 | dondelelcaro | subsume: assuming run-parts --list-only /etc/cron.daily lists your scripts, then they're being run. Whether they're doing what you expect is an entirely different story. |
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| 07:58.22 | dondelelcaro | s/-only// |
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| 07:58.27 | subsume | dondelelcaro: i see no mention of them in auth.log |
| 07:58.38 | subsume | May 10 08:20:01 (none) CRON[3195]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user smmsp |
| 07:58.40 | subsume | a bunch of that |
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| 07:59.56 | dondelelcaro | subsume: all you're looking for is an entry that runs at 06:25 |
| 08:00.20 | dondelelcaro | subsume: but if you see any cron runs for user root, and they show up in the --list output, then they're being run. |
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| 08:00.43 | dondelelcaro | subsume: add set -x to the top of them if you want to see what is going on (or whatever is appropriate for them) |
| 08:00.56 | subsume | you've lost me. --list? -x? |
| 08:00.57 | dondelelcaro | (I'm assuming they're executable, and all of that stuff too) |
| 08:01.22 | dondelelcaro | subsume: run-parts --list /etc/cron.daily; 'set -x' is an option to bash to have it output what the script is running |
| 08:01.33 | dondelelcaro | (if the script isn't in bash, you'll do something else.) |
| 08:01.34 | subsume | ok |
| 08:01.41 | subsume | interesting |
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| 08:02.31 | subsume | i add set -x above the # declaration? |
| 08:02.37 | subsume | or within it? |
| 08:02.57 | \amethyst | subsume: just after the #! /bin/foo line |
| 08:03.09 | subsume | with # as well? |
| 08:03.50 | subsume | well I added #set -x and ran runparts again but nothing additional outputted |
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| 08:05.20 | subsume | the script is in bash |
| 08:05.26 | subsume | if !/bin/bash is any indication |
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| 08:05.28 | dondelelcaro | subsume: uh... no. Was the script listed when you ran run-parts --list /etc/cron.daily? |
| 08:05.32 | subsume | yes, it was |
| 08:05.52 | dondelelcaro | subsume: then it's being run. add the set -x to it, then wait for 06:25 to come around again, and see what it outputs |
| 08:06.16 | dondelelcaro | subsume: I assume you have mail properly configured on this machine, right? |
| 08:06.42 | subsume | yes, at least I believe so. I get mail from other things that I do |
| 08:07.06 | dondelelcaro | then at 06:25 tomorrow, you'll get a mail from that cronjob telling you what was output |
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| 08:07.26 | dondelelcaro | (and hopefully telling you why it ran but didn't do what you expected it to) |
| 08:07.34 | simion314 | hi, can you tell me the name of a program with graphical interface for mounting an iso as a CD drive? i know how to use mount command but i set up a debian for someone and a GUI would be nice, it runs debian lenny with kde but gtk apps are good too |
| 08:07.56 | liable | hmm, i thought a recent libc6 update fixed the ipv6 resolving issue? |
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| 08:08.04 | cousin_luigi | morn |
| 08:08.12 | subsume | dondelelcaro: but wouldn't running it manually replicate this as well? |
| 08:08.19 | dondelelcaro | subsume: not necessarily |
| 08:08.25 | subsume | (is there anything i can do besides wait till tomorrow?) |
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| 08:08.47 | dondelelcaro | subsume: you can trigger it by adding a cronjob to root's crontab to trigger it more quickly if you want |
| 08:09.08 | subsume | I really want to get this out of the way. i've been putting it off forever... so, yeah. let me try that. |
| 08:09.13 | cousin_luigi | I need to set a few sysctl parameters regarding a device: what's the best place for doing that? |
| 08:09.25 | jaggz- | I'm tired of sleeping |
| 08:09.28 | liable | cousin_luigi: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 08:09.39 | subsume | dondelelcaro: weird. "/etc/cron.daily/automysqlbackup":85: bad minute |
| 08:09.47 | subsume | "errors in crontab file, can't install." |
| 08:10.06 | subsume | but i swear this works manually! |
| 08:10.11 | dondelelcaro | subsume: because you didn't write the crontab entry properly |
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| 08:10.16 | subsume | ok |
| 08:10.20 | dondelelcaro | subsume: man 5 crontab; for details |
| 08:10.22 | subsume | oh, duh |
| 08:10.26 | subsume | yeah, sorry. |
| 08:11.13 | cousin_luigi | liable: would it work if the module gets loaded after it? |
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| 08:11.24 | cousin_luigi | I'm not sure at what point of the bootup sequence that happens, actually |
| 08:11.39 | dondelelcaro | cousin_luigi: anything that has sysctl configuration can be configured after the fact |
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| 08:12.31 | cousin_luigi | dondelelcaro: oh |
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| 08:13.10 | cousin_luigi | dondelelcaro: even if the module gets loaded after /etc/init.d/procps ? |
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| 08:16.03 | svensko | why should someone use debian over ubuntu? |
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| 08:16.21 | liable | because they want to try it |
| 08:16.44 | liable | !tell svensko -about why debian |
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| 08:17.08 | stuckey | svensko: Debian adheres more, so I've heard, to the open-source doctrine. |
| 08:17.16 | svensko | ah |
| 08:18.31 | liable | if you like ubuntu, use it. if you're interested in debian, just give a try. |
| 08:20.07 | liable | it wont hold your hand quite so much, which is fun for some, bad for others. |
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| 08:20.31 | zxd | hi where can I find info about writing depends in control file |
| 08:20.35 | zxd | tkvnc (= 0.6-9.1) , is this valid? |
| 08:20.43 | liable | !nmg |
| 08:20.43 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. See also http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>. |
| 08:20.49 | svensko | i've used archlinux and such in the past, at this point in my life i'm just looking for ease of use :) |
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| 08:20.53 | karsten | IME debian actually does a better job than Ubuntu. |
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| 08:21.01 | karsten | is writing this from his Kubuntu thinkpad. |
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| 08:21.43 | liable | ease of use debian loses slightly, stability and learning is the major win |
| 08:22.00 | liable | well, depending.. |
| 08:22.09 | zxd | liable: can I add the debian sub ver in the depends |
| 08:22.17 | karsten | liable: Honestly, with tasksel installation of a GNOME, KDE, or XFCE desktop, I don't even think the first holds. |
| 08:22.20 | zxd | tkvnc (= 0.6-9.1) , like here -9.1 |
| 08:22.30 | liable | zxd: have a read of the NMG. its pretty good |
| 08:23.31 | liable | karsten: its the multimedia, unfree drivers et al where it gains mass aproval of easability (silly scripts that will compile shit or repos etc) |
| 08:23.56 | karsten | liable: Debian or ubuntu? |
| 08:23.58 | enouf | cousin_luigi: which sysctl variable and which module? just pass the module the needed options itself then |
| 08:24.16 | liable | karsten: ubuntu. duh |
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| 08:24.17 | zxd | liable: it dosen't say if I can use the revision or not |
| 08:24.31 | karsten | liable: I actually find that that's easier w/ Debian. Once you have debian-multimedia repos. |
| 08:24.34 | liable | zxd: it does talk about revisions of depends |
| 08:24.46 | karsten | liable: My Kubunto box has trouble with video and Flash, specifically. |
| 08:25.08 | liable | karsten: so does my box. always has. probably always will.. sigh |
| 08:25.41 | zxd | liable where |
| 08:26.23 | liable | zxd: jeez, dont make me go searching in it for you. it certainly mentions the control field and the various lines and what they mean. |
| 08:26.54 | liable | s/field/file |
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| 08:27.47 | zxd | not if I can use the revision too |
| 08:27.55 | zxd | I assume so |
| 08:27.59 | zxd | that I can use it |
| 08:28.15 | Eulex | zxd, you can use it |
| 08:28.27 | cousin_luigi | enouf: dev.wifi0.diversity, dev.wifi0.txantenna, dev.wifi0.regdomain and so on |
| 08:28.37 | Eulex | zxd, as it declares dependencies on package versions |
| 08:28.39 | cousin_luigi | not sure how to pass those parameters as module option |
| 08:28.52 | liable | cousin_luigi: madwifi? |
| 08:29.06 | cousin_luigi | enouf: I created an /etc/sysctl.d/wifi0.conf for now |
| 08:29.08 | cousin_luigi | liable: yes |
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| 08:29.27 | enouf | cousin_luigi: which module? |
| 08:30.10 | Eulex | zxd, do you want a link to the policy which says so? |
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| 08:30.25 | enouf | is madwifi the exact name of the module? modinfo madwifi will show avail parms then |
| 08:30.34 | liable | cousin_luigi: what are you doing? running an ap? just interested, as those things arent very usually played with by average users. |
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| 08:30.46 | liable | no, its ath_pci if its madwifi |
| 08:31.01 | cousin_luigi | enouf: ath_pci |
| 08:31.04 | cousin_luigi | liable: yes |
| 08:31.07 | zxd | Eulex: yes |
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| 08:31.20 | Eulex | zxd, file:///usr/share/doc/debian-policy/policy.html/ch-relationships.html |
| 08:31.20 | cousin_luigi | liable: I wanted a fully configurable router/ap :) |
| 08:31.39 | enouf | then you add options: ath_pci option1=value option2=value ... in a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 08:31.46 | liable | cousin_luigi: its odd you have the iface named wlan0 then. but that may be a udev artefact |
| 08:31.49 | cousin_luigi | enouf: oh, interesting |
| 08:32.03 | cousin_luigi | liable: it is, I use ath0 as interface |
| 08:32.19 | cousin_luigi | enouf: thanks |
| 08:32.47 | liable | cousin_luigi: then you shouldnt use wifi0, thats the master iface, which you shouldn't try to configure |
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| 08:33.44 | cousin_luigi | liable: I thought it was the correct place for antenna and other low-level parameters |
| 08:34.00 | zxd | Eulex: do you know if I leave out the revision number and use exactly equal = then it will match all revisions of that ver ? |
| 08:34.05 | cousin_luigi | I could set the same in the ifup script for ath0 |
| 08:34.14 | cousin_luigi | but it didn't look as clean to me |
| 08:34.33 | liable | cousin_luigi: i am getting rusty on madwifi, but if i remember, you should still set it on the vap. check the madwifi docs, (the wiki on their website) |
| 08:34.37 | Eulex | zxd, I don't think it will |
| 08:34.42 | cousin_luigi | liable: "vap"? |
| 08:35.14 | liable | cousin_luigi: yep. go have a read of the userdocs at madwifi-project.org |
| 08:35.29 | enouf | cousin_luigi: just for my curiousity ; and since i don;t have that module available, could you pastebin 'modinfo ath_pci' for me please |
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| 08:36.12 | cousin_luigi | liable: you mean the separate ath0, ath1 interfaces one can create? |
| 08:36.39 | liable | yes |
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| 08:37.05 | cousin_luigi | liable: ok, I'm using two atm |
| 08:37.15 | enouf | vap as in Virtual AP ? |
| 08:37.37 | liable | cousin_luigi: having two certainly does impose limits on what you can do |
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| 08:38.14 | cousin_luigi | enouf: here it is http://www.pastebin.ca/1423487 but I'm not running vanilla debian |
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| 08:38.37 | liable | enouf: virtual iface. madwifi was the first to have the master and then the user ifaces. you can create multiple ifaces on one chip, but it has limitations as to type, which the mac80211 drivers dont yet do |
| 08:38.39 | cousin_luigi | liable: I only wanted two different encryption keys without having to resort to freeradius and stuff |
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| 08:39.23 | liable | cousin_luigi: really, you need to read all the userdocs at their site, and questions will be much better understood in #madwifi |
| 08:39.47 | liable | cousin_luigi: #madwifi is getting a bit quiet these days, so be patient, or mail the list |
| 08:39.55 | cousin_luigi | liable: everything works already |
| 08:40.07 | cousin_luigi | I'm only doing a bit of fine tuning |
| 08:40.23 | cousin_luigi | like after I noticed I had diversity set with a single antenna installed:) |
| 08:40.23 | jaggz- | hey, how can I get a copy of a form and its contents before I send it? |
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| 08:41.19 | liable | cousin_luigi: it should automatically start with both, which is unusual if it doesnt for you. |
| 08:41.36 | cousin_luigi | liable: it does |
| 08:41.46 | cousin_luigi | but I don't want to since I have a single antenna installed |
| 08:42.00 | liable | cousin_luigi: try #madwifi |
| 08:42.05 | cousin_luigi | kk |
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| 08:43.00 | cousin_luigi | saw the module option anyway |
| 08:43.10 | subsume | My /var/log/auth.log is alarmingly huge from bots... how best to simply set up a whitelist of OK ips? |
| 08:43.31 | dondelelcaro | subsume: just use fail2ban or similar |
| 08:43.39 | subsume | I tried that but it seemed to eat memory. |
| 08:44.06 | jaggz- | Oh, in Iceweasel, how can I get a copy of a form and its contents before I send it? |
| 08:44.46 | enouf | cousin_luigi: maxvaps:Maximum VAPs. Default is 4. (int) <--that option? liable - thanks, i'm lost, but i can loosely follow what you mean |
| 08:44.50 | virhilo | subsume: so use sshguard - i writed a startscript to it-you want it?;] |
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| 08:44.52 | jaggz- | An image would suffice.. what's the x screen capture util.. hm |
| 08:45.11 | subsume | virhilo: i would definitely like a peek at the least, yes. |
| 08:45.45 | cousin_luigi | enouf: I guess that's the maximum # the module will allow to create with wlanconfig |
| 08:45.46 | enouf | subsume: debian-administration.org has some other options. Using iptables, and such |
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| 08:46.10 | subsume | I am sure its an easy google. thanks. |
| 08:46.30 | enouf | <cousin_luigi> saw the module option anyway <== i guess i misunderstood you |
| 08:46.30 | subsume | One question I have is that... while I'm travelling, how to get on the whitelist? =) I'm in Prague now, yesterday in Poland... |
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| 08:46.50 | cousin_luigi | enouf: http://www.pastebin.ca/1423494 I use this as pre-up script for the interface |
| 08:47.23 | cousin_luigi | enouf: no, I didn't think of doing it at module load, just via sysctl soon thereafter |
| 08:47.31 | cousin_luigi | modinfo shows the option to be used |
| 08:47.39 | virhilo | subsume: http://pastebin.com/f584990e5 |
| 08:48.07 | liable | cousin_luigi: your right, the master iface is what you need to do it on.. http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs/AntennaDiversity |
| 08:48.11 | virhilo | subsume: just define the ip whitelist in : /etc/sshguard.whitelist |
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| 08:48.22 | liable | which doesnt really cover using sysctrl.conf |
| 08:48.37 | jaggz- | how do I see where ksnapshot is installed in the menus?? |
| 08:48.42 | nsadmin | !ops |BaHaR|`yoq porn spam |
| 08:48.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nsadmin complains about: |BaHaR|`yoq porn spam |
| 08:48.49 | liable | but it should work in sysctrl.conf |
| 08:48.50 | cousin_luigi | liable: interesting...0 is autosense |
| 08:48.56 | enouf | jaggz-: i forget the basic x one, in kde there's ksnapshot, in gnome, i guess another name |
| 08:49.09 | cousin_luigi | liable: my only doubt is whether it will work if the module gets loaded later |
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| 08:49.31 | cousin_luigi | but I have a sort of fumous idea about the boot sequence |
| 08:49.36 | enouf | jaggz-: that's another peeve i have, just fire it up in an xterm .. it's easiest |
| 08:50.00 | liable | cousin_luigi: the module should be loaded before the sysctrl script gets run. i admit i dont know which init script runs and reads that file though |
| 08:50.01 | nsadmin | why would a domain be locked from transfer to another domain provider? |
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| 08:50.18 | cousin_luigi | liable: ok |
| 08:50.27 | cousin_luigi | nsadmin: security reasons? |
| 08:50.39 | RichiH | nsadmin: thanks |
| 08:50.44 | nsadmin | welcome |
| 08:51.09 | liable | RichiH: hi, can you give me an unafilliated cloak please? |
| 08:51.10 | jelly | nsadmin: to keep customers |
| 08:51.16 | nsadmin | and thank you too, that's annoying... |
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| 08:51.57 | RichiH | liable: you need to set an email address |
| 08:52.19 | enouf | gives up |
| 08:52.35 | liable | RichiH: okie, let me annoy nickserv for how to do that |
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| 08:53.22 | nsadmin | jelly: is there any benefit for a customer (domain buyer) to set such a lock? |
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| 08:54.31 | syslq | I'm trying to locate dante-server deb package, I can find it in sources or in http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages. Is it mantained? |
| 08:54.33 | nsadmin | liable: hang out on #freenode momentarily... they will give you a URL with the instructions, you fulfill all those, then ask there |
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| 08:55.02 | nsadmin | well richih is here anyway tho... but you can still ask for that url |
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| 08:55.49 | liable | just waiting for the mail. no doubt it will get greylisted first |
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| 09:00.56 | hanibana | hi all |
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| 09:02.54 | jelly | nsadmin: none that I can think of, but I didn't think about it very hard |
| 09:03.11 | hanibana | I have Debian Lenny on my VAIO laptop... I can't record sound with the front monaural microphone on the top of LCD next to webcam. How can I get it to work? |
| 09:03.35 | hanibana | I'm working with Gnome-sound-recorder.... |
| 09:03.47 | nsadmin | hanibana: figure out what driver it needs |
| 09:03.49 | jelly | nsadmin: I've only seen it as annoyance when one wanted to change registrars |
| 09:04.43 | nsadmin | but the administrative contact just undoes it when he wants that, no? |
| 09:04.47 | hanibana | nsadmin: can't I even list it with some utilitis like "lspci", lsusb... or sth like this ??? |
| 09:04.51 | subsume | dondelelcaro: all set. thanks. |
| 09:05.09 | nsadmin | hanibana: in order to find the device |
| 09:05.29 | nsadmin | but you just can't record... can you do anything else with your sound? |
| 09:06.13 | hanibana | nsadmin: yes, I can record sound with its mic port. |
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| 09:06.34 | nsadmin | hanibana: so your sound is actually partly working |
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| 09:07.13 | hanibana | nsadmin: I haven't problem with the sound... only this mic that I want to get working :) |
| 09:07.28 | nsadmin | a specific mic? |
| 09:07.40 | nsadmin | that you plug into the mic port? |
| 09:07.45 | nsadmin | have you tried the mixer? |
| 09:07.46 | jmarsden | nsadmin: One built into the laptop... |
| 09:08.08 | nsadmin | wait, you want to use the builtin mic? |
| 09:08.15 | nsadmin | still, have you tried the mixer? |
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| 09:08.44 | yang | I am wondering about flashplugin-nonfree from testing, which plugin do I have to enable in iceweasel , I got Shackwave flash 0.4.12 and Shockwave flash 10.0 |
| 09:09.19 | nsadmin | and have you researched the driver? some drivers cover devices with a range of different possible subdevices |
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| 09:10.19 | hanibana | nsadmin: see http://i40.tinypic.com/2s9qeqp.jpg --> 3 |
| 09:10.28 | hanibana | you got that? |
| 09:10.52 | nsadmin | yep |
| 09:11.06 | nsadmin | so, you want to record from (3)? |
| 09:11.17 | hanibana | nsadmin: Yes exactly. |
| 09:11.28 | nsadmin | ok, you have to find out how it's connected |
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| 09:11.44 | nsadmin | and then how to address that port |
| 09:12.04 | hanibana | ok, a starting point? |
| 09:16.13 | nsadmin | first what chipset do you have? |
| 09:17.07 | jaggz- | enouf, totally.. I just do it in konsole too... and konsole refreshes too slow .. when it scrolls I can see the redraw.. text console's better :) (but I never use it nowadays of course) |
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| 09:18.15 | busbus | hi there |
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| 09:18.23 | busbus | i have a strange thing here |
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| 09:18.42 | nsadmin | bigger than a breadbox? |
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| 09:18.54 | cousin_luigi | merkwürdiges Ding? |
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| 09:19.17 | busbus | the last day conky showed me some network traffic although there was no program running using the network. |
| 09:19.26 | maxagaz | do you know a system to broadcast two different videos on two screens from one server ? |
| 09:19.28 | enouf | jaggz-: i too suffer from that horrid redraw crap .. it's really painful, but somehow, i've learned to ignore it most times - or do something else in the interim :-P |
| 09:19.31 | yang | My iceweasel crashes when I enable flash plugin. |
| 09:19.34 | hanibana | nsadmin: intel |
| 09:19.35 | busbus | is there a way to find out what is using my network? |
| 09:19.50 | jaggz- | yeah, I guess I don't notice it normally 'cause I'm in vim |
| 09:19.58 | nsadmin | hanibana: so the driver is what, snd-intel-hda? |
| 09:20.03 | enouf | jaggz-: i've tried to the proprietary 3D nvidia drivers to get around / fix the issue .. no go |
| 09:20.15 | jaggz- | actually, all refreshing is slow.. when switching desktops etc.. |
| 09:20.26 | enouf | jaggz-: it's so horribly and helplessly coded, it'll never work |
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| 09:20.57 | nsadmin | that driver takes a model name |
| 09:20.58 | enouf | jaggz-: i don't have any such issues with other apps, such as links2 -g for example |
| 09:21.01 | jaggz- | yeah, I'm using those on the desktop in the other room.. so I could get some 3d stuff working.. I had to upgrade from my server-grade nothingness video card .. (we had considered that computer a server but I quickly began using it as a desktop) .. heh |
| 09:21.07 | enouf | jaggz-: only all K related crap |
| 09:21.26 | nsadmin | kcrap! |
| 09:21.59 | jaggz- | KDE was at the forefront of a lot of important things, like i18n stuff |
| 09:22.02 | enouf | i really truly dislike putting down other things like this ... my apologies - i'll just shutup and crawl back under my rock |
| 09:22.09 | jaggz- | maybe they have some additional bloat being careful about these things.. |
| 09:22.40 | jaggz- | cat stevens on recorded tv.. watching it.. |
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| 09:23.00 | ultrav1olet | how can I dump a process memory into a file? |
| 09:25.09 | enouf | ultrav1olet: maybe alt-sysrq M{m} i forget, try h for options .. though not sure that's redirectable to a file |
| 09:25.25 | cousin_luigi | liable: you might be interested to know that setting the parameters in /etc/sysctl.d/wifi0.conf worked |
| 09:25.45 | liable | cousin_luigi: cool |
| 09:25.50 | enouf | otherwise, i suppose you might need gdb, or atleast the -dbg pkg(s) for the app |
| 09:25.53 | ultrav1olet | enouf: remote PC |
| 09:25.58 | ultrav1olet | no sysrq tricks |
| 09:26.09 | hanibana | nsadmin: Yes, from lspci output: "Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel" |
| 09:26.12 | ultrav1olet | besides I don't need a linux kernel dump, I need a process dump |
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| 09:26.17 | freinhard | hi! |
| 09:26.29 | enouf | !find etc/sysctl.d |
| 09:26.32 | ultrav1olet | I have found http://securitech.homeunix.org/lmt/ memory_dumper but it doesn't work |
| 09:26.34 | freinhard | shouldn't "pbuilder debuild" produce a .deb file? |
| 09:26.37 | ultrav1olet | it dumps empty file |
| 09:26.56 | enouf | i know the newer .d dirs/ are the new way to do things .. just curious about that one |
| 09:27.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/sysctl.d' (1): (/etc/sysctl.d/30-tracker.conf) in utils/tracker. |
| 09:28.08 | enouf | ultrav1olet: the linux kernel is what is in memory, you'd need to know what part of the stack the kernel malloc() and all that other wonderful C stuff |
| 09:28.08 | cousin_luigi | what sort of tracker? |
| 09:28.20 | enouf | ask in ##c |
| 09:28.50 | enouf | ask in ##linux-coders and ##linux even if you want - |
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| 09:29.43 | enouf | cousin_luigi: i bet many of the pkg .postinst scripts would also generate that .d/ dir + files |
| 09:29.53 | enouf | !info trcker |
| 09:29.59 | enouf | judd info tracker |
| 09:30.02 | judd | enouf: tracker (utils): is optional; Version: 0.6.6-2; Size: 451.6k; Installed: 1996k -- metadata database, indexer and search tool |
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| 09:30.43 | enouf | ultrav1olet: specifically /proc/mem or /kcore ;-) |
| 09:31.13 | ultrav1olet | enouf: that is MORE than enouf |
| 09:31.16 | ultrav1olet | :D |
| 09:31.43 | enouf | hrm, /dev/mem used to be a symlink to kcore? |
| 09:32.20 | ultrav1olet | probably |
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| 09:32.59 | ultrav1olet | but I don't need all the virtual memory to be dumped |
| 09:33.07 | ultrav1olet | just a single process |
| 09:34.04 | enouf | i understand - perhaps readelf + objdump + other utils (ldd, ldconfig) can help stack trace ... hrm .. strace/ltrace? .. gah ... IANAP |
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| 09:35.00 | enouf | ultrav1olet: what are you trying to achieve? and in what form are you looking for? and why? |
| 09:35.25 | nsadmin | hanibana: ok, you need to find out what device you have more specifically... what you might have to do is feed the module "model=somename" and you need to find the somename to put there |
| 09:35.38 | jelly | ultrav1olet: you want to get a core file without killing the process? |
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| 09:35.57 | ultrav1olet | jelly: EXACTLY :) |
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| 09:36.37 | hanibana | nsadmin: probably "somename" is there in my system but not loaded? |
| 09:37.08 | nsadmin | this sound chipset is on what? your motherboard? |
| 09:37.30 | ultrav1olet | enouf: there's a trojan running on one of my servers. I need a core dump for futher inverstigation |
| 09:37.36 | nsadmin | oh wait nm, it's a laptop |
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| 09:38.00 | nsadmin | ok, so you have to look up your specific laptop model for what model |
| 09:38.26 | jelly | judd: info pstack |
| 09:38.26 | judd | jelly: pstack (devel): is optional; Version: 1.2-1; Size: 9.6k; Installed: 28k -- Display stack trace of a running process |
| 09:38.45 | jelly | hm. |
| 09:38.58 | hanibana | nsadmin, my searches have failed... but, the model is : Sony VAIO VGN-CS190 |
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| 09:40.07 | hanibana | nsadmin, it seems that this special mic is for easy video chating along with the webcam. |
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| 09:43.32 | ultrav1olet | problem solved: Fedora's gdb has gcore utility which does exactly what I need |
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| 09:45.40 | enouf | ultrav1olet: i understand you mught want to poke about a bit, but i'd also think these tools might also come in handy; a) http://dcfldd.sourceforge.net/ b) http://koltsoff.com/pub/meminfo/ c) and gddrescue (debian pkg'd) |
| 09:46.04 | enouf | hrm .. someone mentioned gdb here not long ago |
| 09:47.34 | robin_sz | so, is there soe random magic I have to do to get a debian box to join a windows domain ? so the lusers can just type http://officebox/ on their windows desktops and it finds it, ive set it up on the windows server dns/name thing like some toher boxes, and they work, I suspect its a smb thing??? |
| 09:47.56 | liable | yes its a samba thing |
| 09:48.03 | robin_sz | ah ha |
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| 09:48.55 | liable | extremely annoying last time i used it :P |
| 09:49.08 | liable | admittedly a few years ago now though |
| 09:49.11 | robin_sz | well its wondows .. what do you expect |
| 09:49.23 | robin_sz | samba has always worked for me though to be fair |
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| 09:59.28 | hanibana | thanks nsadmin, and bye. |
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| 10:02.59 | ultrav1olet | .зÑке |
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| 10:07.19 | RichiH | liable: you need to click the link in the email nickserv sent you.. |
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| 10:08.08 | liable | RichiH: oh, sorry, i forgot about it.. (short attention span :) |
| 10:08.15 | liable | checks mail |
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| 10:09.18 | liable | RichiH: done |
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| 10:09.51 | RichiH | done |
| 10:10.00 | RichiH | de nada |
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| 10:11.00 | liable | dances around in his new coat |
| 10:11.09 | liable | oops, cloak |
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| 10:15.06 | pythonic | hi, i have a cache of debian packages. how do i verify the checksums? |
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| 10:16.47 | enouf | pythonic: debsums |
| 10:17.09 | pythonic | that verifies the checksums of installed files |
| 10:17.22 | enouf | oh .. packages.gz ort someshit |
| 10:17.58 | pythonic | yeah, is there a program to do that? |
| 10:18.10 | enouf | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/images/apt-files-diagram.png |
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| 10:19.06 | enouf | sounds like you want to operate a mirror |
| 10:19.35 | enouf | obviously the pkgs wouldn't be distributed without proper sum'ing |
| 10:19.54 | enouf | md5, SHA1, SHA256, etc |
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| 10:20.46 | enouf | ooooooo |
| 10:20.49 | enouf | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/images/apt-files-diagram-2.png |
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| 10:21.01 | liable | !seen greycat |
| 10:21.01 | dpkg | greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 13h 30m 33s ago, saying: 'I renamed my xorg.conf, and X wanted to read my old XF86Config-4 file, so then I had to rename that one too.'. |
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| 10:21.01 | enouf | better - updated ;-) |
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| 10:21.14 | enouf | liable: visit #bash :-p |
| 10:21.59 | liable | enouf: no, i saw him for the first time in years here the other day, was just wondering if it was a once off bored join here |
| 10:22.17 | inckie | omg |
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| 10:25.08 | mustu | I've installed smb-client, samba-common but still can't access windows peers |
| 10:25.23 | liable | its kindof sad admittedly that i even remember it, but some users leave an impression.. |
| 10:25.48 | pythonic | is moving packages into /var/cache/apt/archives/ considered harmful? |
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| 10:26.04 | liable | pythonic: it doesnt do anything at all |
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| 10:26.21 | petemc | mustu: do you have smbfs installeD?> |
| 10:26.31 | glicks | hey does anyone use full disk encryption ? |
| 10:26.32 | pythonic | liable: apt-get wouldn't use them? |
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| 10:26.38 | pythonic | glicks: yes |
| 10:26.39 | glicks | does it degrade performance a lot? |
| 10:26.41 | mustu | petemc: let me check |
| 10:26.44 | pythonic | glicks: yeah |
| 10:26.49 | liable | pythonic: no, it wont know about them |
| 10:27.03 | jelly | pythonic: only if they're the exact same files it would otherwise download from a mirror |
| 10:27.10 | mustu | petemc: nope. m installing now |
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| 10:27.15 | glicks | pythonic, would it degrade performance a lot if i just encrypt my home folder? |
| 10:27.36 | pythonic | depends how much you use your home folder :-p |
| 10:28.17 | mustu | how i can check the status of samba service and stop/start it? |
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| 10:29.02 | petemc | mustu: /etc/init.d/samba (stop|status) |
| 10:29.09 | mustu | now i've installed smbfs also but when try to open shared Folder it says u need to install samba or nfs |
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| 10:29.38 | pythonic | jelly: exact same file names or contents? how does it check? |
| 10:29.48 | mustu | petemc: no service named samba in init.d |
| 10:29.49 | petemc | mount -t cifs -o username=administrator,password= //1.2.3.4/Share /mnt/foo |
| 10:30.05 | petemc | mustu: if you only want to mount remote shares you dont need the smb service |
| 10:30.38 | mustu | petemc: I want to share/access data to and from m$ |
| 10:31.21 | mustu | petemc: now i've smb-client, samba-common, smbfs installed but no resut. no samba file in /etc/init.d |
| 10:31.35 | petemc | as i said, if you only want to mount shares... |
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| 10:32.08 | mustu | petemc: any extra pckg required? |
| 10:32.26 | petemc | smbfs is all you should need |
| 10:32.42 | petemc | asking questions on irc is no subsitute for reading documentation, i should point out |
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| 10:33.39 | mustu | can u help me why it's not working now |
| 10:33.54 | petemc | evidently not |
| 10:34.55 | mustu | strange.. k as u wish |
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| 10:42.03 | Bischoop | Hi all |
| 10:42.07 | Bischoop | Hi Ian_Daniher |
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| 10:45.40 | enouf | shame |
| 10:45.52 | enouf | all these mpoopers .. crapping all over the place .. sigh |
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| 10:48.41 | linuxstudio | i am having trouble compiling a kernel. Can anyone help? thx |
| 10:49.09 | Eulex | linuxstudio, can you be more specific? |
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| 10:50.48 | enouf | mpoopers can be quite demanding - after all - they know they've been shafted via redmond already - so they expect nothing but love and hugs for even thinking about FLOSS |
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| 10:52.40 | linuxstudio | I have problems installing the kernel i386. I am getting this message when i run make-kpkg clean cannot find debian/control , changelog and other files in the debian directory. |
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| 10:53.35 | linuxstudio | i am not sure where this folder is. i am using kernel source form here -> deb http://apt.harleystudio.co.za/ hardy main |
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| 10:54.08 | linuxstudio | I think their is something wrong or missing in my development tools or config as i got the same message when I was trying to install the unstable nvidia driver via apt. |
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| 10:54.43 | enouf | linuxstudio: hardy is not debian - it's a *buntu variant |
| 10:55.30 | enouf | linuxstudio: but if you choose to stay with *buntu, see the apropos #*buntu channel - or /msg dpkg mirrors and use debian |
| 10:56.20 | linuxstudio | i am also using debain unstable repo for some updates |
| 10:56.36 | enouf | linuxstudio: we can't support mix and match distros |
| 10:56.48 | linuxstudio | but isnt my error an easy one to fix? |
| 10:57.07 | enouf | many times, not even unstable .. as you should know what you're doing prior |
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| 10:57.27 | enouf | linuxstudio: not when one considers all the variable implications, no |
| 10:57.45 | linuxstudio | ok. Seems to work well enough tho! hehe |
| 10:58.10 | enouf | linuxstudio: why not use cygwin |
| 10:58.30 | enouf | that would be as similar to debian proper as what you're doing |
| 10:59.16 | linuxstudio | ok |
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| 10:59.53 | linuxstudio | can you tell me where debian/control is stored tho? is it in kernel source or somewhere else? |
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| 11:00.14 | enouf | in the debian/control file |
| 11:00.27 | enouf | and/or dir/ |
| 11:00.40 | linuxstudio | i think this is missing |
| 11:01.02 | linuxstudio | is it related to a specific package? |
| 11:01.05 | sebjames | Hi folks. I wanted to use a dev version of cups, so uninstalled existing cups using dkpg -r --force-depends. I'd like now to tell Debian that those cups packages are there, so that normal package management can proceed. |
| 11:01.18 | enouf | linuxstudio: tell me exactly what you have done - do not follow <factoid> without understanding |
| 11:01.18 | Bischoop | I can't use mine CD/DVD writer after UPGRADE, how can I find out what the couse is? |
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| 11:03.03 | enouf | Bischoop: pastebin output of sysctl -a 2>/dev/null | grep 'dev.cdrom.info' |
| 11:03.35 | sebjames | I think I need to make Equivs |
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| 11:04.24 | linuxstudio | http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ - I get the error when running -> make-kpkg clean |
| 11:04.34 | enouf | linuxstudio: that's fine - i build kernels when needed - and RT ones are fine for audio - however - i cannot follow/look at someone else's instructions - figure what is wrong that they wrote, then relay that to you |
| 11:04.55 | enouf | linuxstudio: don't run make-kpkg clean |
| 11:05.20 | linuxstudio | ok. What is the clean part for? i never really understood |
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| 11:05.29 | enouf | and ... the source should have a debian/ dir .. if not, it's not debian's patched sources |
| 11:05.41 | enouf | make-kpkg --help |
| 11:05.45 | enouf | man make=kpkg |
| 11:05.50 | enouf | man make-kpkg |
| 11:06.07 | linuxstudio | thanks for this mate :) |
| 11:06.07 | enouf | see /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/* |
| 11:06.28 | enouf | linuxstudio: it's very important when asking for help you show version and release info |
| 11:06.58 | enouf | as many changes occur, both weith kernel-package and kernel sources, both Debian's and Vanilla |
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| 11:07.58 | enouf | linuxstudio: the vanilla kernel sources README can be quite enlightening as well |
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| 11:09.15 | enouf | linuxstudio: vanilla (to me, and most circles) == from kernel.org |
| 11:09.26 | linuxstudio | i always need to do some rtfm! thanks for explaining the debain folder in source. that really helps |
| 11:09.40 | enouf | !debian/control |
| 11:09.45 | enouf | !debian control |
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| 11:09.50 | enouf | oh man |
| 11:09.54 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 11:10.01 | enouf | she's relaxing ... |
| 11:10.07 | E-bola | How can you track what is causing unix load on a debian etch? |
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| 11:10.15 | enouf | what? |
| 11:10.16 | E-bola | ps and top is no help from what i can tell |
| 11:10.34 | linuxstudio | gnome-system-monitor - show all |
| 11:10.39 | enouf | you don't know how to read it - or you have I/O issues |
| 11:11.14 | linuxstudio | top is great |
| 11:11.15 | enouf | try iotop and vmstat even |
| 11:11.22 | enouf | likes htop |
| 11:11.27 | linuxstudio | i use htop as well! |
| 11:11.56 | E-bola | k ile pastebin it |
| 11:11.59 | E-bola | i use htop as well |
| 11:12.01 | linuxstudio | do you think the system monitor will ever be as well integrated/klight as the one in OSX? |
| 11:12.37 | E-bola | http://pastebin.com/d1102006 |
| 11:12.44 | E-bola | should i deduct anything from those figures? |
| 11:12.52 | linuxstudio | i have tried osx and i think it is the best system form performance perspective. hybrid kernel seems a pretty good setup |
| 11:13.09 | enouf | cat /proc/loadavg |
| 11:13.33 | E-bola | enouf: 595.33 598.40 599.20 1/822 30408 |
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| 11:13.49 | enouf | thinks (almost every) GUIs are bloated |
| 11:13.58 | enouf | E-bola: nice |
| 11:14.01 | E-bola | I've had this issue before on this box |
| 11:14.05 | E-bola | it works fine no effect at all |
| 11:14.07 | linuxstudio | Holborn, are you based in Holborn? hehe |
| 11:14.10 | E-bola | but load figures are redicoulous |
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| 11:14.14 | enouf | so what's the issue? |
| 11:14.22 | E-bola | that its showing up as an alert in monitoring |
| 11:14.26 | enouf | someone rooted your /proc |
| 11:14.32 | enouf | don't worry about it ;-) |
| 11:14.40 | linuxstudio | gnome-system-monitor is the worst for resource usuage |
| 11:14.45 | E-bola | its not been rebooted for 350 days |
| 11:14.50 | E-bola | so a reboot would fix |
| 11:14.55 | E-bola | but thats a bit gay way to fix it |
| 11:14.57 | enouf | so do it! |
| 11:15.00 | E-bola | way too windows'y |
| 11:15.07 | enouf | not for a new kernel and security updates |
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| 11:15.26 | enouf | and newer patches on old software - and upgraded libc6 .. etc |
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| 11:15.52 | E-bola | is it a good idea to upgrade: yes. Does it have anything to do with the load: no? |
| 11:15.56 | enouf | E-bola: this isn't *BSD :-p |
| 11:16.05 | enouf | ofcourse it can |
| 11:16.08 | E-bola | hehe are you saying linux cant run this long without a boot? |
| 11:16.16 | E-bola | i got another box with much longer uptime |
| 11:16.40 | jelly | E-bola: vmstat is used over a time period: run "vmstat 1", show some 20-50 lines |
| 11:16.47 | enouf | no no no .. i'm saying ... the actions taken during the 350 days might've affected which software is actually in /proc/kcore at this point |
| 11:17.12 | E-bola | i can give some additional hints |
| 11:17.17 | E-bola | it all started with a broken smbfs mount |
| 11:17.26 | enouf | E-bola: i can crash a machine in 2 seconds with a 5 second uptime |
| 11:17.31 | enouf | what does that matter? |
| 11:17.40 | E-bola | the remote server which was mounted, was restarted wich ofcourse broke the mount |
| 11:17.57 | E-bola | and i tried to umount it, unsuccesfully |
| 11:18.06 | enouf | so you used -l ? |
| 11:18.08 | E-bola | restarting smb daemons and other clever things |
| 11:18.12 | E-bola | nope i didnt |
| 11:18.13 | enouf | ugh |
| 11:18.18 | enouf | still .. nasty |
| 11:18.23 | enouf | clever .. heh |
| 11:18.24 | E-bola | so finally i hung, i think it was on a kill to the smbmount process |
| 11:18.28 | jelly | E-bola: each task hung because of trying to access a dead share would increase load avg by 1 |
| 11:18.31 | E-bola | and then the load started climbing |
| 11:18.41 | enouf | E-bola: listen to jetblack |
| 11:18.45 | E-bola | jelly: ahh, seems like we're getting closer then |
| 11:18.45 | enouf | E-bola: listen to jelly |
| 11:18.49 | enouf | tab-crap |
| 11:18.54 | jelly | E-bola: simplest way to fix is really a reboot |
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| 11:19.10 | E-bola | jelly: how can i find the "task" ? |
| 11:19.13 | E-bola | lsof and fuser dont work |
| 11:19.43 | jelly | E-bola: top? |
| 11:19.53 | E-bola | and look for? |
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| 11:19.54 | jelly | E-bola: are there any processes in D state? |
| 11:20.03 | Bischoop | jak wylaczyc powolne klawisze w kde? |
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| 11:20.26 | Holborn | linuxstudio: no |
| 11:20.34 | E-bola | nope, nothing in D state |
| 11:20.46 | E-bola | i umounted with -l just 10mins ago |
| 11:20.56 | E-bola | but load is still not falling |
| 11:21.05 | E-bola | and now i cant re-mount it heh |
| 11:21.16 | E-bola | but it borthers me i cant find out what the issue is |
| 11:21.29 | E-bola | is this some sort of bug/limitation of the smbfs module? |
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| 11:29.46 | fishsponge_ | hey people - opinions if possible, please - busy mail server, latest Debian stable - XFS or ReiserFS? We'll be using maildir format with indexes (dovecot), so lots of files... |
| 11:29.58 | fishsponge_ | i know each has advantages and disadvantages, but i don't know what they are for each... |
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| 11:33.40 | enouf | E-bola: why on earth are you using smbfs? |
| 11:34.02 | enouf | E-bola: win98 mpoopers don't deserve any networking |
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| 11:34.18 | petemc | you should really drop the whole mpoop thing |
| 11:34.27 | enouf | shush hon |
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| 11:34.49 | petemc | ... |
| 11:34.53 | enouf | stuckey: cd /src ; ./configure --help |
| 11:35.01 | abrotman | petemc: it's his way of thinking he's funny? |
| 11:35.03 | ringo999 | hi. i'm using s2ram to put my system to sleep. I have problems with waking up on an irregular basis: sysytem hangs, touchpad get's messed up, wireless fails. I'm using debian lenny stable on a macbook. wondering if how to fix the problem (compile own kernel) or if there are other alternatives. What is your experience? |
| 11:35.07 | petemc | abrotman: hard to say |
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| 11:35.27 | enouf | stuckey: more specifics might help us help you |
| 11:35.52 | Ronny_R_ | more information would help us to help you ;)^^ |
| 11:36.45 | stuckey | enouf: bash: ./configure: No such file or directory |
| 11:36.52 | stuckey | I guess there isn't a ./configure in this source. |
| 11:36.58 | stuckey | enouf: What do you need to know? |
| 11:37.15 | enouf | stuckey: perhaps ... what source? from where? why? |
| 11:37.18 | ringo999 | also, I'm wondering where to set up what wireless module is loaded on bootup. I tried to switch from ath5k to madwifi but then reverted as it failed. Now, after bootup I have to manually "modprobe ath5k" to get wifi running :-( |
| 11:37.42 | enouf | stuckey: there's usually a README or INSTALL file in the src/ dir |
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| 11:38.23 | enouf | stuckey: in the most generic terms; ./configure ; make ; make install |
| 11:38.47 | enouf | stuckey: are we dealing with Debian source? |
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| 11:39.04 | enouf | are you trying to create an installable .deb ? |
| 11:39.11 | stuckey | enouf: it's taspring (http://springrts.com/wiki/Download), there isn't a read me included. |
| 11:39.27 | stuckey | enouf: it isn't included in debian |
| 11:39.38 | stuckey | enouf: what's debian source? You mean, source from a debian repository? |
| 11:39.55 | enouf | stuckey: which debian release are you running? and yes |
| 11:40.03 | enouf | !source |
| 11:40.03 | stuckey | enouf: lenny |
| 11:40.16 | enouf | ~source |
| 11:40.17 | apt | To build Debian packages from source code: first, add a deb-src line to your sources.list file. Then "apt-get build-dep _pkg_" and "apt-get -b source _pkg_" to retrieve the build-dependencies, and the source. The resulting .deb files will be in `pwd`. |
| 11:40.17 | Ronny_R_ | sry I've to go |
| 11:40.21 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg seems to be unresponsive |
| 11:40.54 | enouf | stuckey: ok - just showing how one might do it IF it was in Debian |
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| 11:41.02 | stuckey | enouf: I know how to do that, I've done it before---thanks. |
| 11:41.12 | enouf | thanks for letting me know |
| 11:41.34 | h2ro | hi guys. i have an old harddrive with data I want to access. root was set up encrypted with the debian installer (so I guess there is some luks dm-crypt and lvm). what is the easiest way to mount my old /home so that I can copy some data to my current setup? |
| 11:41.35 | enouf | see ... these fall into the "specifics" category i mentioned |
| 11:42.09 | Akuw | somebody here knows iTheora? |
| 11:42.30 | abrotman | Akuw: there is a #theora channel |
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| 11:42.58 | enouf | stuckey: so you know how to take Debian patched source, make a proper .deb, install that properly - and yet, compiling from other source is an unknown? |
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| 11:43.25 | Akuw | thanks |
| 11:43.37 | stuckey | enouf: if there isn't a ./configure I have no clue. |
| 11:44.04 | enouf | h2ro: from within the Installer? |
| 11:44.12 | h2ro | no |
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| 11:44.19 | h2ro | i have a working setup here |
| 11:44.27 | h2ro | and the harddrive is connected |
| 11:44.31 | enouf | stuckey: look for a makefile or run make |
| 11:44.39 | enouf | oh .. |
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| 11:44.44 | stuckey | Running make says...make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 11:45.21 | shyko | stuckey: http://springrts.com/wiki/Build_from_source |
| 11:45.27 | enouf | just mount it (ro for safety), and either cp, or rsync or tar + gz it over |
| 11:46.02 | enouf | stuckey: see, i cannot be bothered following weird URLs that do not follow conventions |
| 11:46.02 | h2ro | enouf: well, it's some encrypted lvm stuff |
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| 11:46.09 | enouf | h2ro: where? |
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| 11:46.47 | stuckey | enouf: what? |
| 11:46.59 | stuckey | shyko: you've installed this in debian? |
| 11:47.08 | stuckey | What's cmake? |
| 11:47.12 | enouf | ... |
| 11:47.20 | foetus | :) |
| 11:47.20 | xor | Does anyone know when bastille is going to support Debian 5.0? |
| 11:47.25 | enouf | !cmake |
| 11:47.32 | enouf | ~cmake |
| 11:47.34 | monkey_d_luffy_w | how do I kill X? everytime I #kill -KILL pid it automatically starts again. Now I've even (re)moved my xorg.conf, I press ctrl+alt+backspc and it starts again. how can I really kill it? |
| 11:47.36 | enouf | crap |
| 11:47.36 | stuckey | shyko: directions on given link do not work... cmake works, but then make says "no target" |
| 11:47.49 | enouf | it's a windowized version of make |
| 11:47.56 | petemc | monkey_d_luffy_w: stop your display manager, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 11:47.57 | stuckey | Well it fails |
| 11:47.58 | enouf | vygwin crap |
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| 11:48.07 | enouf | er cygwin crap |
| 11:48.13 | enouf | for mpoopers |
| 11:48.22 | monkey_d_luffy_w | petemc: thanks :) |
| 11:48.36 | petemc | np |
| 11:49.08 | foetus | colourized make :) |
| 11:49.17 | xor | Does "harden" include some sort of front end for iptables? |
| 11:49.19 | enouf | no |
| 11:50.07 | h2ro | enouf: where? at my /dev/hda5 |
| 11:50.08 | monkey_d_luffy_w | does anyone here has experience with having 2 gpu cards? if you could pastebin your xorg, that would be great :) (I have 2 gpus because the idea is to have one of them for computing only, and the other for X) |
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| 11:50.22 | enouf | has used cmake once, when wodim/cdrkit hit the streets soon after the cdrecord fall out |
| 11:50.54 | xor | Can anyone suggest a firewall for Debian that is easy to manage? |
| 11:51.07 | foetus | haha.. |
| 11:51.11 | enouf | h2ro: no, i mean - in your house? or across the street? .... you said something entirely conflicting |
| 11:51.25 | h2ro | enouf: sorry, in my house |
| 11:51.30 | E-bola | enouf: mmm cause of tradition? hehe |
| 11:51.30 | h2ro | don't know what you mean though |
| 11:51.35 | petemc | monkey_d_luffy_w: http://yerma.org/~pete/temp/xorg.conf |
| 11:51.41 | stuckey | enouf: make says make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 11:51.42 | E-bola | we just needed something to mount another linux servers folder |
| 11:51.50 | E-bola | and the developer chose smb for soem reason |
| 11:51.57 | petemc | smb works fine |
| 11:51.57 | stuckey | I'm following directions here http://springrts.com/wiki/Build_from_source |
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| 11:52.16 | E-bola | petemc: it handles disconnection really poorly if you ask me |
| 11:52.25 | E-bola | everytime the remote part is rebooted you gotta manualy fix it |
| 11:52.34 | enouf | h2ro: no - i mean your NEW installation might be encrypt+LVM+luks ... who cares - just': <enouf> just mount it (ro for safety), and either cp, or rsync or tar + gz it over |
| 11:52.40 | petemc | E-bola: same goes for any network fs |
| 11:52.50 | petemc | nfs will lock up too |
| 11:52.57 | E-bola | petemc: i recently started using iscsi, it actualy handles it pretty well |
| 11:52.59 | enouf | h2ro: you don't kknow how to mount your old /home? |
| 11:53.09 | E-bola | It might be more prone to corruption though |
| 11:53.16 | petemc | less portable too |
| 11:53.20 | h2ro | enouf: ah, I see what you mean |
| 11:53.27 | enouf | stuckey: sorry - i've lost interest |
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| 11:53.30 | h2ro | enouf: both harddrives are encrypted just the same |
| 11:53.36 | h2ro | even with the same pw |
| 11:53.37 | foetus | if there is a makefile (or something else), try make -f makefile, or you need cmake then..read the doc, if there is such thing.. |
| 11:53.53 | h2ro | and i.e. same hostname |
| 11:53.58 | enouf | h2ro: that ... i don;t know specifics of .. |
| 11:54.18 | enouf | h2ro: i can't help - plus, .. i need to go |
| 11:54.25 | h2ro | ok, thanks anyway;) |
| 11:54.28 | enouf | np |
| 11:54.38 | abrotman | why is this a debian problem again? |
| 11:54.39 | monkey_d_luffy_w | petemc thanks again, that helps |
| 11:54.46 | petemc | np |
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| 11:55.53 | foetus | lets work. |
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| 12:02.55 | Bischoop | Guys Ive got a problem with CD/DVD recorder, mine linux doesnt recognise it after upgrade |
| 12:03.08 | debam | hi to all HP DL 380G5.--about 16 TBmemory,is it possible to configure NAS on DL 380 server using debian? |
| 12:03.22 | Bischoop | How can I check it and solve the problem..? I'm new with Debian distribution |
| 12:03.59 | Bischoop | anyway that;s Kubuntu, but guys on UBUNTU/KUBUNTU are not able to help with that |
| 12:04.06 | abrotman | debam: 16TB of RAM ? or of disk space ? |
| 12:04.16 | jelly | debam: everything is possible, but it might be nontrivial |
| 12:04.21 | abrotman | Bischoop: if you're using kubuntu ask #kubuntu, we do not support that here |
| 12:04.45 | Bischoop | you crazy...? Kubuntu is DEBIAN man |
| 12:04.48 | abrotman | why can't people just call it a file server |
| 12:04.48 | debam | abrotman, jelly harddisk |
| 12:04.57 | abrotman | Bischoop: no, it is not, go to #kubuntu |
| 12:05.50 | debam | abrotman, jelly, also on same system i am not able to get gui login 01:03.0 VGA Compitable Controller : ATI Techna Inc ES1000 (rev 02) |
| 12:05.57 | Bischoop | abrotman: buhaha, no I wont go there, and I said u: I've asked them already. Are you shortsighet: I wrote: that thei're not able to help |
| 12:06.07 | debam | i am gettinng only # prompt |
| 12:06.12 | abrotman | not our problem, either install debian or go to #kubuntu |
| 12:06.22 | Bischoop | I supposed that they dont know how to do it, their know only KDE :-) |
| 12:06.30 | Bischoop | I supposed that they dont know how to do it, their know only KDE :- |
| 12:06.50 | Bischoop | abrotman: you better dont help me anymore |
| 12:06.58 | enouf | !testes |
| 12:07.03 | oxi | how can I tar up everything down from the root dir /, omitting everything that I don't have the access rights? |
| 12:07.09 | Bischoop | abrotman: perhaps not anybody |
| 12:07.28 | abrotman | Bischoop: please go to #kubuntu or ##linux .. we do not support Kubuntu here |
| 12:07.32 | Bischoop | abrotman: I suggest u to read what LINUX ist :-) |
| 12:07.45 | enouf | Bischoop: please stop |
| 12:08.29 | Bischoop | ask him to STOP talking me still where I've to go when I said that I've done it already |
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| 12:08.55 | abrotman | done what? |
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| 12:09.09 | jelly | Bischoop: this channel can only deal with issues on actual Debian, we don't know about any changes other distros based on it might have done |
| 12:09.11 | enouf | Bischoop: doesn't matter - just stop - only Debian is supported here - not it's offspring |
| 12:09.39 | enouf | Wiciu: he |
| 12:09.39 | jelly | Wiciu: so kubuntu cannot be supported here |
| 12:09.58 | Wiciu | jelly : are u parrot :-) |
| 12:10.04 | Wiciu | or layer :-) |
| 12:10.25 | enouf | Wiciu: he's offered possible other places for you .. he does not need to try and even point you where/what yuo should try |
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| 12:11.02 | enouf | !they don't know |
| 12:11.05 | Wiciu | Guys can u stop talking about supporting this KUBUNTU :-) |
| 12:11.07 | enouf | grah |
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| 12:11.35 | debam | i am not able to get gui login for 01:03.0 VGA Compitable Controller : ATI Techna Inc ES1000 (rev 02). |
| 12:11.45 | abrotman | Wiciu: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic. If you want support for Kubuntu, go to #kubuntu or ##linux |
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| 12:11.51 | debam | it is stopping at Restore TV standard |
| 12:11.52 | debam | Leaving Restore TV |
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| 12:12.18 | enouf | and / or try other networks that might have generic Linux help or channels |
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| 12:12.34 | enouf | try mailing lists - try google .. |
| 12:13.23 | mib_p2641e | Hi, I'm having a problem with my router. I was using 2 NICs: LAN and WAN. Now I've added a third NIC to act as DMZ but the problem is that the WAN and DMZ are both getting the name eth1, any ideas anyone? I should say that WAN and DMZ are PCI-cards (while LAN is the onboard NIC) of the same brand and model (identical). |
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| 12:13.46 | enouf | !70 |
| 12:13.48 | abrotman | mib_p2641e: lenny? |
| 12:13.49 | enouf | ~70 |
| 12:13.50 | apt | 70 are easy |
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| 12:13.54 | enouf | heh |
| 12:13.59 | jelly | !z25 |
| 12:14.03 | abrotman | dpkg is not here |
| 12:14.07 | Eulex | debam, I never heard about ATI Techna, did you try the vesa driver and see if it works? |
| 12:14.09 | enouf | what's aptitude's trigger ? |
| 12:14.12 | jelly | :'( |
| 12:14.17 | abrotman | aptitude isn't here either |
| 12:14.20 | mib_p2641e | abrotman: I'm running untangle, but they refered me to here |
| 12:14.26 | enouf | does aptitude still exist? |
| 12:14.27 | abrotman | running what? |
| 12:14.34 | abrotman | enouf: only when stew has the bot join |
| 12:14.34 | jelly | abrotman: that's it, I'm taking a day off! |
| 12:14.42 | debam | Eulex, it is taking bydefault radeon driver |
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| 12:14.50 | enouf | abrotman: ok - the trigger is? i can never recall |
| 12:15.06 | jelly | debam: do you need X running on your server? |
| 12:15.08 | abrotman | mib_p2641e: you want to ask ##linux .. we do not support debian derivatives here |
| 12:15.18 | enouf | joins jelly ... and brings some molasses |
| 12:15.32 | Eulex | debam, I assumed so. |
| 12:15.59 | enouf | abrotman: or .. does aptitude assume the ! once dpkg is offline? |
| 12:16.04 | debam | Eulex, jelly xserver is running |
| 12:16.09 | mib_p2641e | abrotman: Oh, okay. The untangle users told me to seek help here :) But if Untangle is running Lenny I should still ask in #linux? I'm rebooting the router so can't see which it is |
| 12:16.27 | abrotman | mib_p2641e: if it were running lenny, it would be called lenny, not untangle |
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| 12:16.33 | jelly | debam: I mean, you could disable it if it's not really needed |
| 12:16.38 | abrotman | enouf: i think so .. |
| 12:16.45 | abrotman | enouf: but aptitude still isn't here |
| 12:17.02 | debam | Eulex, jelly ,while doing reconfiguration of xserver-xorg .in lenny it is not asking which driver to choose |
| 12:17.05 | enouf | ok - yes - i can tell |
| 12:17.16 | debam | defaultly it is using radeon |
| 12:17.29 | Eulex | debam, you edit the xorg.conf to set it to use another driver. |
| 12:17.47 | debam | as well reconfiguration steps it is not asking resolution. |
| 12:18.02 | Eulex | debam, another option might be to try out fglrx. |
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| 12:18.16 | jelly | Eulex: [ES1000] it's the stuff the started putting on server boards after they ran out of mach64 chips |
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| 12:18.30 | Eulex | jelly, ok |
| 12:18.45 | debam | jelly, Eulex yes this is hp server. |
| 12:18.57 | jelly | I solve the issue by not running X on rackmount servers. |
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| 12:22.17 | enouf | jelly: 'rackmount' matters? |
| 12:22.22 | jmd | Doesn't X work if you mount the server in a rack? |
| 12:22.31 | enouf | it certainly doesn't in musicians' gear |
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| 12:23.04 | jelly | enouf: just saying it's not your typical X running desktop |
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| 12:23.15 | enouf | sure .. i gotcha ... |
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| 12:23.43 | enouf | s/rackmount/dedicated/ |
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| 12:26.22 | DavidProck1981 | any one know something else like "flashybrid" or how to setup flashybrid. ive found there 2 links, but dont quite know how to get it setup http://svn.nebman.net/ufs910/checkout/mt_build/cvs/cdk/ipk-control/flashybrid/etc/init.d/flashybrid?rev=1 AND http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/8/f/ |
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| 12:28.30 | jelly | DavidProck1981: I've no idea, but have you read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/flashybrid? |
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| 12:30.45 | RichiH | jelly: to add to your usefulness as central hub of #debian knowledge: when a disk has more than 2 TiB in size, you need to set the one fake _mbr_ partition to bootable so an intel bios will consider the drive as boot candidate and then boot from the _gpt_ partitions |
| 12:30.52 | DavidProck1981 | will now, didnt know what to read |
| 12:31.49 | jelly | RichiH: Ah. We always have separate devices to boot from. |
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| 12:32.16 | DavidProck1981 | or file dont exist |
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| 12:32.23 | DavidProck1981 | i used nano |
| 12:32.34 | jelly | DavidProck1981: which file doesn't exist? |
| 12:32.40 | DavidProck1981 | /usr/share/doc/flashybrid |
| 12:32.59 | jelly | DavidProck1981: that's a diectory you get when you install the "flashybrid" package |
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| 12:35.02 | abrotman | RichiH: is that an x86 limitation? or something with the bootloader? |
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| 12:36.14 | RichiH | abrotman: it's an intel engineer not knowing a flowchart of the software he writes from a donkey's arse |
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| 12:36.39 | abrotman | RichiH: that's not nice |
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| 12:37.00 | debam | enouf, jelly this is my xorg.log file http://pastebin.com/m4f87fae8 |
| 12:37.02 | jelly | abrotman: make them use EFI on server machines! |
| 12:37.25 | RichiH | abrotman: i left the data center at 0200 and arrived at home at 0445 |
| 12:37.35 | RichiH | i earned the right to not be nice in this matter |
| 12:38.03 | abrotman | RichiH: well, at least you'll be rested up for tonight ? |
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| 12:38.33 | jelly | didn't get the feeling this event happened today |
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| 12:40.02 | RichiH | jelly: it did not |
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| 12:41.17 | aidan | I want the Docbook RNG schema, is there a package for this? the "docbook" package is SGML only. |
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| 12:43.05 | enouf | RichiH: IINM, and FWIW, msdos style partition types have a 2TB limit |
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| 12:43.36 | enouf | RichiH: intel BIOS sounds vendor/OEM specific |
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| 12:43.44 | bookmark | hello, and good morning |
| 12:44.02 | bookmark | does anyone know if i can find the config file that my kernel was compiled with? |
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| 12:44.47 | bolt | bookmark: in /boot, methinks |
| 12:45.18 | bookmark | bolt, NICE 1 yes it is there |
| 12:45.39 | enouf | hrm .. 64bytes per partition entry == ? |
| 12:45.58 | enouf | kcalc can't even handle it - bwahahahaha |
| 12:46.08 | enouf | and they call this a DE? lmao |
| 12:46.49 | enouf | ~$ echo "2 ^ 64" | bc |
| 12:46.50 | enouf | 18446744073709551616 |
| 12:46.55 | enouf | ahh there we go |
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| 12:47.19 | enouf | now .. someone insert the , s |
| 12:48.20 | enouf | oh well - that's much more than 2TiB :-p |
| 12:48.27 | asg | 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 |
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| 12:48.39 | enouf | hugs asg |
| 12:49.08 | enouf | 18 exibytes? |
| 12:49.17 | enouf | 446 peti? |
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| 12:49.41 | enouf | whips out the table of standards |
| 12:50.13 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.18 | enouf | er |
| 12:50.46 | asg | just about enough storage for abrotman's cakebutt pic collection |
| 12:51.16 | enouf | http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html |
| 12:51.22 | enouf | heh |
| 12:51.28 | RichiH | enouf: the bios bug is limited to intel from what i know, yes |
| 12:51.46 | enouf | RichiH: Intel is not an OEM |
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| 12:52.56 | enouf | RichiH: OEMs buy intel mobos/components, and use BIOS vendors to adjust (read Constrain and limit) their sheeple buyers |
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| 12:55.29 | enouf | RichiH: a CPU or Chipset limitation though ...can be ascribed to Intel .. however, i doubt that's the case .. since even a p2 had PAE availablity and even a p-pro could address 64GB RAM |
| 12:56.24 | enouf | pae flag, i meant .. the design though, was since the p-pro == 686 |
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| 12:57.12 | enouf | RichiH: you do realize all your 64bit CPUs are really 36-40bit CPUs , right? |
| 12:57.25 | enouf | well .. the x86 ones |
| 12:57.26 | OpenTokix | oh, intresting =) |
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| 12:57.46 | enouf | i dont know enough about the others |
| 12:57.55 | aidan | I want the Docbook RNG schema, is there a package for this? the "docbook" package is SGML only. |
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| 13:02.02 | DavidProck1981 | ok i discoverd it |
| 13:02.24 | DavidProck1981 | later |
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| 13:02.33 | mib_p2641e | Hi, if I wanna run a script early in the bootup sequence (before configureing network interfaces), where should I place it? |
| 13:02.57 | petemc | mib_p2641e: pre up in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:02.59 | patrikf | mib_p2641e: what do you want to achieve / what's your script about? |
| 13:03.20 | patrikf | petemc: that doesn't sound like a good idea if it's not network-related |
| 13:03.24 | mib_p2641e | I need to run nameif so that it changes the names of the ethernet interfaces |
| 13:03.28 | petemc | patrikf: why? |
| 13:03.49 | patrikf | petemc: because the stuff in interfaces is supposed to be related to that interface |
| 13:04.03 | petemc | patrikf: supposed to be? would the debian system be offendeD? |
| 13:04.06 | enouf | mib_p2641e: see debian-reference |
| 13:04.12 | patrikf | mib_p2641e: have you had a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules? |
| 13:04.19 | aidan | Is anything happening with this? http://www.archivum.info/debian-wnpp@lists.debian.org/2008-07/msg00584.html ... I can't find anything up to date |
| 13:04.41 | patrikf | petemc: no, but you're going to choke on it if you have a new network interface, or disable the one you have. |
| 13:04.57 | mib_p2641e | patrikf: Yea, it names 2 of my interfaces to eth1. Even after that I've changed one to eth2 it still is referred to as eth1 |
| 13:05.10 | jimcooncat | zinx: Just wanted you to know I blogged about youthree; I would have left a comment on your site but couldn't figure how |
| 13:05.11 | enouf | mib_p2641e: you need to read /etc/init.d/skeleton and consider a /etc/rcS.d/SNNscriptname |
| 13:05.15 | petemc | patrikf: pre up seems like the perfect place to run a script you want to run before the interface comes up |
| 13:05.20 | mib_p2641e | patrikf: running nameif seems to make it work atleast |
| 13:05.20 | petemc | regardless of what you say |
| 13:05.31 | patrikf | mib_p2641e: if they're listed in that file, just edit accordingly |
| 13:05.37 | patrikf | petemc: yes, but he didn't say that |
| 13:05.43 | petemc | he sure did |
| 13:05.43 | enouf | mib_p2641e: if it's to be daemonized, then you ALSO need to concern /etc/default/* |
| 13:05.53 | petemc | stops talking to patrikf |
| 13:05.54 | PingFloyd | petemc: why don't you put systemwide config file over in /var/my/config while you're at it |
| 13:06.03 | enouf | haha |
| 13:06.04 | petemc | PingFloyd: will d |
| 13:06.06 | petemc | o |
| 13:06.16 | enouf | PingFloyd: hola ;-) |
| 13:06.33 | mib_p2641e | Your conversation is way too expertized for me... Let me try to simplify my problem and maybe you can help me... |
| 13:06.37 | PingFloyd | enouf: hello |
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| 13:06.41 | enouf | replaces SYSV with file-rc |
| 13:07.37 | mib_p2641e | I'm running a router, it currently has 2 NIC's (one onboard NIC and one PCI nic). I bought another PCI card (same as the other, so I have 2 identical cards). Now when I insert that card I get two interfaces that are named eth1 and one named eth0. Since they are both named eth1 it renders the router unusable. |
| 13:07.49 | PingFloyd | mib_p2641e: just put a symlink in the appropriate /etc/rc*.d/ dirs to your script |
| 13:08.04 | PingFloyd | mib_p2641e: just follow the naming convention in there though |
| 13:08.05 | ranix | wow that's bizarre, mib_p2641e |
| 13:08.34 | enouf | mib_p2641e: 2 Identical? not via HWaddr / MAC ;-) |
| 13:08.49 | enouf | mib_p2641e: see 70 as mentioned |
| 13:08.55 | maligor | you could modify the udev rules |
| 13:08.58 | PingFloyd | mib_p2641e: that sounds like an issue with udev rules |
| 13:08.59 | mib_p2641e | I've tried editing that 70-persistent-net.rules file sine it had all 3 network cards in there with the last two naming them both "eth1". After changing the last entry to "eth2" instead of "eth1" so that there wouldn't be any collisions it is still named eth1 in ifconfig |
| 13:09.11 | mib_p2641e | enouf: No, the hwaddr is different |
| 13:09.19 | enouf | ofcourse it is |
| 13:09.21 | jelly | mib_p2641e: you'd need a reboot |
| 13:09.27 | mib_p2641e | jelly: Tried that |
| 13:09.29 | enouf | ls /sys/class/net |
| 13:09.31 | PingFloyd | you'll need to tweak them to identify by some other criteria |
| 13:10.00 | mib_p2641e | PingFloyd: The only difference between those cards is the hwaddr since they are otherwise identical |
| 13:10.12 | mib_p2641e | I've even made sure that BIOS issues different IRQ's to both cards |
| 13:10.24 | maligor | maybe the driver is buggy |
| 13:10.29 | PingFloyd | I don't think IRQs are the issue |
| 13:10.29 | enouf | mib_p2641e: you forgot a setting - likely the Kernel+=="" line as well as the Symlink+=="" |
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| 13:10.56 | PingFloyd | any fairly modern system can share IRQs fine as long as they're not ISA cards |
| 13:10.59 | enouf | mib_p2641e: you cannot assign IRQs for non ISA cards |
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| 13:11.48 | enouf | mib_p2641e: you should Disable any resource IRQ, etc assignments in the BIOS |
| 13:12.01 | mib_p2641e | enouf: Let me try to get my system up again (locked me out by closing down the interfaces :P) to check what that 70-persistent-net.rules file says |
| 13:12.04 | enouf | enable PnP BIOS and IRQ sharing |
| 13:12.06 | mib_p2641e | enouf: I should set it back to auto? |
| 13:12.13 | enouf | yes |
| 13:12.24 | abrotman | PingFloyd: some BIOSes have limitations on sharing |
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| 13:12.28 | mib_p2641e | enouf: Allright, brb 10 minutes thanks :) |
| 13:12.48 | PingFloyd | in your bios, you generally just assign the hardware resource IRQ, DMA, address, etc for what you want to reserve for an ISA that will use them |
| 13:12.58 | enouf | indeed |
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| 13:13.10 | enouf | which ARCH are we dealing with BTW? |
| 13:13.15 | maligor | thank god for MSI :P |
| 13:13.19 | enouf | haha |
| 13:13.20 | PingFloyd | it's to keep the system from assigning those resource to a PCI card, for instance, creating a conflict |
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| 13:14.14 | maligor | any native pci-e part wouldn't even have irq lines :P |
| 13:14.22 | PingFloyd | if you're not running any ISA cards, you generally shouldn't have to assign any of that in your bios |
| 13:14.46 | enouf | it's all tied into PnP nonsense |
| 13:15.03 | PingFloyd | maligor: IRQs are only an issue if you have ISA cards in the mix unless there is some strange bug/caveat |
| 13:15.06 | enouf | Intel strikes again! |
| 13:15.20 | abrotman | yeah .. cause dicking with jumpers was so much more fun |
| 13:15.26 | enouf | haha |
| 13:15.30 | maligor | PingFloyd, or broken pci implementations, or broken bios |
| 13:15.37 | maligor | both of which are annoyingly common |
| 13:16.12 | enouf | no - it's just that .. once jumpers and resource assignments aren't needed - leave them the F alone |
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| 13:17.09 | enouf | IOW, don't play with BIOS until you know what you're doing with that proprietary CRAP |
| 13:17.29 | petemc | what are you comparing it to? |
| 13:17.37 | enouf | EFI! |
| 13:17.38 | maligor | u-boot? |
| 13:17.40 | enouf | :-p |
| 13:17.45 | maligor | err.. isn't EFI proprietary crap too |
| 13:17.53 | enouf | !linux-bios |
| 13:17.58 | enouf | bah |
| 13:18.03 | maligor | u-boot, redboot are Free Software! |
| 13:18.05 | enouf | yes |
| 13:18.12 | enouf | !openbios |
| 13:18.27 | mib_p2641e | Alright |
| 13:18.29 | maligor | it's coreboot now btw |
| 13:18.37 | mib_p2641e | BIOS settings restored |
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| 13:18.49 | enouf | mib_p2641e: ls /sys/class/net |
| 13:18.55 | mib_p2641e | It is booting up :) |
| 13:19.32 | maligor | it's a shame the pc motherboard don't have jtag |
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| 13:20.16 | enouf | flashes maligor some BTX designs |
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| 13:20.31 | abrotman | good joke! |
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| 13:26.15 | mib_p2641e | I really need to check what's going on... It's not starting up... |
| 13:26.33 | mib_p2641e | I'll get back to you :) |
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| 13:28.05 | enouf | mib_p2641e: ls /sys/class/net <==3rd time |
| 13:28.24 | pythonic | is encrypted multi session cd possible? |
| 13:28.26 | enouf | mib_p2641e: and "it's" == ? |
| 13:28.48 | enouf | pythonic: not sure, but non-multi is |
| 13:29.10 | enouf | pythonic: just use HDDs and save yourself the headaches |
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| 13:29.40 | anoHito | The server is strange . |
| 13:29.50 | enouf | pythonic: i mean .. do you really want to start using B-RAY eventually? ,,, lmao |
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| 13:30.09 | pythonic | enouf: sure |
| 13:30.12 | anoHito | I mean, how come even in this part Reading package lists... the system load average can boom up from 0.x to 3.x ? |
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| 13:30.31 | enouf | vmstat |
| 13:30.33 | anoHito | The server recently has started to have a high load issue, very strange. |
| 13:30.38 | pythonic | multi session blueray would be nice thanks |
| 13:30.53 | enouf | pythonic: you're entirely missing the point |
| 13:30.58 | anoHito | enouf, hi,you know what, even when i do apt-get update , in the end of the operation there is a part Reading package lists... right ? |
| 13:31.05 | pythonic | what was the point? |
| 13:31.06 | enouf | BR == Proprietary CRAP |
| 13:31.20 | anoHito | enouf, so the load average can raise up to 3.x from 0.x ,gees. |
| 13:31.21 | petemc | get off your soapbox |
| 13:31.41 | pythonic | enouf: most hardware is |
| 13:31.46 | petemc | anoHito: could your hard disk be on the way out? |
| 13:31.55 | enouf | go ask your fellow sheeple and mpoopers .. i don;t do satan's bidding ;-) |
| 13:32.17 | anoHito | it says Reading package lists... 30% ... then 60% or so...then 99% till it's done, during this time the load avg. was raising up to 3.x from 0.x ,i can not believe it. |
| 13:32.19 | pythonic | you don't use any proprietary hardware? |
| 13:32.32 | pythonic | no gpu? no bios? |
| 13:32.33 | petemc | heh |
| 13:32.36 | anoHito | petemc, what do you mean by '''on the way out'' ? |
| 13:32.50 | petemc | anoHito: degraded and possible broken |
| 13:32.57 | petemc | anoHito: check dmesg/messages |
| 13:33.04 | enouf | pythonic: what has that to do with Optical Crap? |
| 13:33.38 | enouf | pythonic: optical media sucks ass - period ... add Proprietary constraints and you get --> ? |
| 13:33.39 | anoHito | petemc, i have disabled some system logging tasks, it gets better ,but as you see that example, even do a apt-get update ,when it tries to read package lists that little time, the load can be bigger than 3.X from 0.x. |
| 13:33.40 | enouf | SONY |
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| 13:34.14 | petemc | enouf: do you think the 800 or so other people in this channel care about your opinions? |
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| 13:34.35 | anoHito | petemc, what part in dmesg is reated to hdd ? |
| 13:34.40 | enouf | petemc: you are going into the bozo box if you don't stop |
| 13:34.48 | anoHito | by the way, i found alot of TCP: Treason uncloaked! info in demsg,they came back again. |
| 13:35.12 | petemc | anoHito: dont worry about those, if you have hdd errors it should be obvious |
| 13:35.26 | petemc | enouf: i dont know what the bozo box is but by all means go ahead |
| 13:35.31 | armence | Hello all, I have the following problem: my sole connection is wireless however, the driver for my wireless card needs to be compiled. However, I don't have GCC or make since I just installed. How can I solve that? |
| 13:35.33 | anoHito | petemc, http://pastebin.ca/1423666 |
| 13:35.54 | petemc | yes, ignore those |
| 13:35.55 | izua | umm |
| 13:36.05 | izua | is there any fortune file from bash.org ? |
| 13:36.13 | izua | i couldn't find any |
| 13:36.25 | themill | izua: just use your log files from #debian from any sunday... |
| 13:36.30 | jelly | DISREGARD THAT |
| 13:36.42 | anoHito | petemc, hmm ,this high load issue right started to appear right after a long distance movement to transport the server from one datacentre to another. |
| 13:36.48 | izua | lol |
| 13:37.08 | anoHito | petemc, but i am not sure if really the hdd problem by itself,please ? |
| 13:37.34 | petemc | anoHito: it was just a suggestion |
| 13:37.39 | anoHito | hmm |
| 13:37.49 | petemc | anoHito: disabling logging perhaps wasnt a great idea |
| 13:37.54 | jelly | anoHito: "TCP: Treason uncloaked" are completely useless and can be ignored |
| 13:37.54 | anoHito | degraded |
| 13:38.16 | anoHito | i do not understand this word 'degrade' ? means the performance goes down ? |
| 13:38.33 | pythonic | can't burn a cd through a /dev/mapper device right? |
| 13:38.34 | petemc | yes |
| 13:40.15 | anoHito | so when the HDD is in a state of being degraded, it means it is still functional ,but just with lower performance,thus, the issue that i am meeting ? |
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| 13:40.39 | armence | Is there no one who can point me to a place to get binaries for GCC under debian? |
| 13:40.50 | azeem | armence: apt-get install gcc |
| 13:40.51 | jelly | armence: ... binaries? |
| 13:41.01 | petemc | anoHito: as i said, it was a suggestion, you wouldnt want to keep an eye on logs and perhaps use smartmontools if the drive supports it |
| 13:41.15 | petemc | s/wouldnt/would/ |
| 13:41.15 | azeem | armence: you need more than gcc to compile stuff |
| 13:41.23 | armence | azeem: I don't have an internet connection because I need to compile my drivers |
| 13:41.35 | azeem | armence: packages.debian.org/gcc-4.3 |
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| 13:42.40 | module000 | armence: build-essentials is a package with what you need for most compiling |
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| 13:43.09 | module000 | armence: sorry, "build-essential", no s |
| 13:43.44 | armence | thanks |
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| 13:44.07 | anoHito | petemc, I see. |
| 13:44.30 | creature_ | does anyone know how to get bluetooth headset work? |
| 13:44.41 | anoHito | petemc, but i meant, logically, if it was degraded, of course it explains the current state of mine ,right ? |
| 13:45.03 | petemc | anythings possible |
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| 13:46.13 | armence | module000: I just downloaded it and am copying it to my debian system, how do I install? |
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| 13:47.44 | George2 | hi |
| 13:48.22 | George2 | if i install php with aptitude, and i want to later add additional libraries, how does it work? do i have to remove, and manually compile these in, or can i use apititude to manage these? |
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| 13:50.06 | mib_p2641e | enouf: Hello again. The problem is now that it won't assign IP adresses to the interfaces. Where can I set those up? |
| 13:50.21 | petemc | George2: if they're packaged for debian its just a matter of installing them, eg, aptitude install php5-gd |
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| 13:51.19 | George2 | petemc: oh ok. hopefully they should be, as the libs wouldn't be too far out there |
| 13:51.24 | Blues-Man | hi guys |
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| 13:51.25 | George2 | thanaks |
| 13:51.40 | Blues-Man | i haven't understood which bluez version debian is using in unstable version |
| 13:52.00 | Blues-Man | the package is the 3.36-1 but how to discover the Bluez version?3 or 4? |
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| 13:52.42 | trakinas | hello all! Im trying to configure pure-ftp. used this guide http://is.gd/A97d, but I still get an "Error:Could not connect to server" after password check. Im typing it correctly. Am I missing something? |
| 13:52.45 | mib_p2641e | How come that after a reboot I had to do ifconfig eth0 up, eth1 up and the IP-adresses for each interface is now gone. An idea anyone? |
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| 13:53.18 | petemc | mib_p2641e: you configure that in /etc/network/interfaces , if you want it brought up automatically add an auto ethN line |
| 13:54.30 | mib_p2641e | petemc: after enterying that information to that file, is there an command I could run to enable the settings instead of rebooting? |
| 13:54.49 | petemc | mib_p2641e: ifup ethN , or /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 13:55.05 | mib_p2641e | petemc: Cool. thanks :) |
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| 13:55.08 | petemc | np |
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| 13:56.42 | aidan | Is this saxon9 .. http://packages.debian.org/sid/libsaxonb-java |
| 13:56.53 | Firestarter | anyone know of a good terminal program like minicom that supports ansi and will run in kde? |
| 13:56.56 | module000 | armence: you apt-get install'd it? |
| 13:58.01 | armence | module000: How can I do that? I don't have internet access on my debian machine |
| 13:58.01 | module000 | then copy all the packages it downloaded to your debian machine, and dpkg -i package.deb |
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| 14:02.17 | rahsputin | ciao! i just installed Lenny and have noticed that # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't support GC-Driver choice, is there another solution other than altering xorg.conf by hand? |
| 14:02.30 | petemc | no |
| 14:03.49 | rahsputin | no way, thats sucks |
| 14:03.53 | petemc | rahsputin: you can adjust some things with xrandr, but to specify a driver you'll need to edit the config |
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| 14:04.24 | rahsputin | what happend to the old dpkg-reconfigure option? |
| 14:04.38 | petemc | xorg changed, it does auto configuring now |
| 14:04.50 | petemc | which is great when it works, but otherwise.. |
| 14:04.56 | pbn | HI there, when trying to install Debian squeeze amd64, network configuration fails: libresolv-2.9.so has a segmentation fault. Is this a known problem ? |
| 14:05.00 | rahsputin | eachtime xserver starts? |
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| 14:06.39 | abrotman | unless you specify otherwise in youyr xorg.conf |
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| 14:16.12 | mib_p2641e | petemc: I just wanted to thank you because I now got it working :) The other problem I have is not a debian specific problem so I'll have to look elsewhere :) Cheers! |
| 14:16.40 | petemc | no bother |
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| 14:17.45 | eee_555 | hi |
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| 14:18.06 | creature_ | man what the fuck was the vbox team thinking with this USB support |
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| 14:18.23 | petemc | usb support is flaky with most virtualization software |
| 14:18.35 | creature_ | there is no fucking way a regular user can capture the whole USB device and bypass all the kernel drivers assigned to it |
| 14:19.19 | patrikf | watch your language please |
| 14:19.28 | creature_ | the whole feature sounds like it would definetely need root and some ugly hackery |
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| 14:26.31 | jelly | creature_: it works. |
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| 14:26.52 | anoHito | how can i get smartctl ? |
| 14:26.58 | anoHito | apt does not find it. |
| 14:27.01 | jelly | anoHito: smartmontools package |
| 14:27.02 | petemc | install smartmontools |
| 14:27.28 | anoHito | thanks petemc , jelly . |
| 14:27.37 | petemc | anoHito: you can use apt-file to find specific binaries |
| 14:27.52 | anoHito | * Not starting S.M.A.R.T. daemon smartd, disabled via /etc/default/smartmontools |
| 14:28.03 | anoHito | that it says after install. |
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| 14:28.13 | petemc | and you find it confusing? |
| 14:28.20 | Dassu | Cause they dont give a fuck about us :( |
| 14:28.21 | jelly | won't help with this step. |
| 14:28.30 | MichelFX | Hello, there are KDE4.2 for Squeeze? |
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| 14:30.37 | BarryAllen | hi all, somebody have an instalation of lenny working with HP sata raid? |
| 14:30.52 | BarryAllen | the installer found two disks intead the raid volume.... |
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| 14:31.22 | BarryAllen | centos 5.3, freebsd 7.2 ... all they found the sata raid volume. |
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| 14:32.58 | MichelFX | there are KDE 4.2 for squeeze? |
| 14:33.14 | jelly | !dmraid |
| 14:33.21 | jelly | dpkg: test |
| 14:33.29 | jelly | still dead, huh |
| 14:33.40 | petemc | apt: yo |
| 14:33.41 | apt | Yo wazzaaaap my brotha?! |
| 14:33.42 | themill | MichelFX: in a couple of weeks' time. |
| 14:33.49 | jelly | apt: dmraid |
| 14:34.00 | jelly | apt: you suck |
| 14:34.00 | apt | and very well I might add |
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| 14:34.28 | MichelFX | thank you themill |
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| 14:36.26 | rahsputin | hi. What is my BUS ID in xorg.conf hwinfo --gfxcard --> http://rafb.net/p/Jvpigh34.html |
| 14:37.47 | rahsputin | like so --> BusID "PCI:0:2:0" but i am guessing it to be different |
| 14:38.12 | armence | OK, I downloaded the different parts of build-essential and used the dpkg -i *.deb command to install them, but I am getting some errors with gcc and g++. Specifically gcc depends on gcc-4.3 however Package gcc-4.3 is not installed. What should I do? |
| 14:39.25 | enouf | apt: we be chillin |
| 14:40.03 | enouf | rahsputin: see wiki.x.org |
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| 14:40.34 | enouf | armence: <armence> OK, I downloaded the different parts of build-essential == epic fail |
| 14:40.58 | armence | enouf: care to expand? |
| 14:41.14 | enouf | no, you might want to though |
| 14:41.15 | nick_h | is it possible to determine who was the last person to modify a file? |
| 14:41.20 | \amethyst | you might look into apt-zip |
| 14:41.39 | enouf | netman2: /var/log/auth* ... perhaps |
| 14:41.40 | \amethyst | enouf: he doesn't have internet access until he builds a wireless driver |
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| 14:42.02 | enouf | \amethyst: i presume you mean armence ? |
| 14:42.04 | rahsputin | anything on my issue please other than the referal to wiki.x.org |
| 14:42.07 | \amethyst | enouf: yes |
| 14:42.11 | enouf | ok |
| 14:42.13 | armence | enouf: Yes, he means me |
| 14:42.41 | MichelFX | where I can to dsownload Squeeze? |
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| 14:42.50 | MichelFX | I dont found in debian.org |
| 14:42.52 | enouf | rahsputin: the way X reads the BusID used to be slightly diff than the lspci ouput - not sure if it still matters, review your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:42.54 | \amethyst | though I thought build-essential depended on gcc-4.3 |
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| 14:43.36 | enouf | judd: depends build-essential --release lenny |
| 14:43.37 | judd | enouf: build-essential -- Depends: libc6-dev | libc-dev, g++ (>= 4:4.3.1), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5) |
| 14:44.40 | enouf | rahsputin: just toy around with it - it's the difference between a colon here or there only |
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| 14:46.13 | enouf | rahsputin: lspci -n would give you only all PCI busids, do "/msg dpkg what's my hardware" in your irc client - note; lspci -nnk is what i like ;-) |
| 14:46.15 | armence | \amethyst: I downloaded gcc-4.3.2-2 |
| 14:46.35 | enouf | epic fail 2 |
| 14:46.37 | rahsputin | enouf could it be : drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci:0000:01:00.0 |
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| 14:47.02 | enouf | the 0000 is not needed for an xorg.conf file |
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| 14:47.20 | enouf | AFAIR |
| 14:47.40 | rahsputin | AFAIR? |
| 14:47.43 | rahsputin | :) |
| 14:47.45 | enouf | !afair |
| 14:47.57 | \amethyst | armence: you'll also need e.g. cpp-4.3, gcc-4.3-base, libgmp3c2, libmpfr1ldbl, libgcc1, lib6-dev, libgomp1, g++-4.3, libstdc++6-4.3-dev, binutils, libtimedate-perl, lzma, patch, cpio, linux-libc-dev, and a linux-headers-2.6.xx-y-zzz package corresponding to your kernel |
| 14:47.58 | enouf | dpkg is out with the botchix |
| 14:48.26 | enouf | rahsputin: as far as i recall == afair |
| 14:48.32 | armence | \amethyst: thanks |
| 14:48.56 | rahsputin | BusID "PCI:1:0:0" ? |
| 14:48.58 | \amethyst | armence: you might want to get apt-rdepends to compute the dependencies first |
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| 14:49.29 | armence | \amethyst: thanks, I'll give a shot to apt-zip first though... |
| 14:49.30 | enouf | rahsputin: looks good - unecessary, but ok |
| 14:49.54 | \amethyst | armence: that'll work too |
| 14:49.59 | enouf | suspects some intel drm issues |
| 14:50.15 | rahsputin | kool thanx a million hdds and ddr's 4/8gb |
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| 14:51.28 | enouf | no, i will not purchase new hardware just to figure out what changes/hoops the Chip manu's have made the kern devs jump through |
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| 14:53.16 | petemc | but you will complain about it. a lot. |
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| 14:54.41 | anoHito | petemc, and jelly ,please. |
| 14:55.13 | anoHito | I just did a very simple test on the server ,while i have disabled apache and mysql and all other workloads. |
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| 14:56.01 | anoHito | petemc, and jelly ,please, i just did dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/testfile bs=1K count=200K to try to figure out if really the problem goes to the HDD . i get this result in iostat please check http://pastebin.ca/1423732 |
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| 14:56.50 | anoHito | petemc, and jelly , i did not finish the command before i copied and paste that result,cuz the LOAD was raising up from 0.x to 8 then to 40 in just 2 SECONDS ! gees. |
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| 14:57.09 | anoHito | petemc, jelly , 195870720 bytes (196 MB) copied, 66.4466 seconds, 2.9 MB/s . |
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| 14:57.53 | anoHito | i was asking in #hardware there is very nice friend told me this is an obviously HDD problem, i can not believe it that without a proper shutdown could cause this big problem. |
| 14:58.46 | petemc | hard disks do break |
| 14:58.48 | anoHito | so am i really having a HDD hardware problem ? |
| 14:58.56 | petemc | did you run smartctl? |
| 14:58.59 | anoHito | you would think so ? |
| 14:59.14 | anoHito | no ,i cannot run smartctl, says smart is disabled, maybe in bios. |
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| 15:00.03 | petemc | anoHito: i would have a terminal open with tail -f /var/log/dmesg /var/log/system /var/log/messages | ccze , and another with top or htop, then write to the disk |
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| 15:00.39 | stuckey | If there's a Ubuntu source repository would it be possible to build a .deb out of it and install this .deb on Lenny? |
| 15:00.48 | anoHito | i do remember this, before the transportation the HDD was all fine, while without any unproper shuttingdown opereation, except the last time right before i sent , i did run halt now, forgot to add -h , then the datacentre powered off the server manually. i was thinking this is not gonna be a problem though :( |
| 15:01.24 | anoHito | this high load aka the low disk performance issue right started to happen right after the transportation from one state to another. |
| 15:02.21 | anoHito | bash: ccze: command not found |
| 15:02.54 | petemc | its an app to make text coloured, its not essential, just makes it easier to read |
| 15:04.03 | anoHito | I have gotten it installed . |
| 15:04.09 | jelly | anoHito: you can enable smart with smartctl, too, and then look up any possible issues |
| 15:04.29 | anoHito | how do i do that ? |
| 15:04.46 | jelly | anoHito: I don't know off the top of my head, you'll have to rtfm |
| 15:05.03 | anoHito | hmm |
| 15:05.06 | flaccid_ | smart is on google, pretty basic commands to do tests |
| 15:05.07 | jelly | anoHito: http://pastebin.ca/1423732 is not valid |
| 15:05.34 | anoHito | as petemc just said ard disks do break ,along with the conclustion from #hardware, i think i gotta buy a new disk. |
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| 15:05.49 | anoHito | But still, i am not sure if with a fresh reinstall will solve this problem ? |
| 15:06.40 | anoHito | jelly, the time was expired, check this one please http://pastebin.ca/1423754 |
| 15:07.22 | jelly | anoHito: your device seems to be rather slow |
| 15:07.31 | anoHito | That paste was from running dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/testfile bs=1K count=200K , and it was not finished, only 196MB was written to disk or so. i had to terminate it cuz the load was too high |
| 15:07.42 | esaym | hello. I am running testing and aptitude upgrade now requires that phonon be installed. How do I find out what package is requiring this? |
| 15:07.59 | anoHito | jelly, hmm, very slow :(. |
| 15:08.06 | jelly | anoHito: do you also have pastebins of your dmesg, and perhaps hdparm -i /dev/yourdisk ? |
| 15:08.19 | anoHito | sure please wait. |
| 15:09.07 | anoHito | jelly, hdparm http://pastebin.ca/1423757 |
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| 15:09.32 | esaym | n/m aptitude why showed it |
| 15:09.36 | petemc | esaym: aptitude why phonon |
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| 15:10.05 | thrashold | Anyone using wicd on Debian? I just installed it on a "remote" system which successfully locked me out of it. Can someone using it advice me how to force it not to touch interfaces configured in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 15:10.46 | thrashold | (Should I file a bug report? `apt-get install wicd' and the SSH session dies and I can no longer access the machine) |
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| 15:11.15 | esaym | anyway to get aptitude to show all held packages? |
| 15:11.28 | jelly | anoHito: weird, hdparm couldn't figure out the active mode. Perhaps the kernel is using generic ide driver |
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| 15:11.44 | qubodup | hello |
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| 15:12.13 | qubodup | I'm looking for a list where is stated whether debian approves of ccbysa3 or not - no long texts, just a list with "yes" and "no" |
| 15:12.17 | anoHito | jelly, dmesg http://pastebin.ca/1423761 |
| 15:12.21 | qubodup | I know there was something remotely close to it |
| 15:12.23 | \amethyst | thrashold: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=520902 |
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| 15:12.26 | qubodup | but it's kind hard to find |
| 15:12.30 | qubodup | you know where this might be? |
| 15:12.31 | \amethyst | thrashold: looks like someone has already filed one |
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| 15:13.00 | thrashold | \amethyst: I see. I'll read that report. Thank you :) |
| 15:13.48 | anoHito | jelly, hmm |
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| 15:14.07 | anoHito | jelly, in menu.1st i have a custom line. |
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| 15:14.32 | anoHito | jelly, kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem root=/dev/sda3 rootflags=usrquota,grpquota ro |
| 15:15.00 | qubodup | ok found it https://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses#CreativeCommonsShare-Alike.28CC-SA.29v3.0 |
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| 15:15.02 | anoHito | that rootflags part tells the kernel to support disk quota in a XFS file system. or it won't work. |
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| 15:17.01 | flaccid_ | man debian sux when it comes to using sudo and apt |
| 15:17.23 | flaccid_ | i guess i just need to change my user's path to include the system bins? |
| 15:17.57 | petemc | aptitude isnt in sbin |
| 15:17.58 | \amethyst | flaccid_: apt-get, aptitude, and dpkg are all in /usr/bin |
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| 15:18.43 | anoHito | petemc, may i ask, with an improper shutting down, it can also cause the hardware on a HDD in debian ? |
| 15:18.48 | flaccid_ | \amethyst yes but what it calls is not. |
| 15:19.03 | \amethyst | oh? |
| 15:19.09 | flaccid_ | it will return: dpkg: 4 expected program(s) not found on PATH. |
| 15:19.10 | petemc | anoHito: yes, and on any operating system |
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| 15:19.20 | flaccid_ | NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. and error code 2 etc... |
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| 15:19.22 | \amethyst | flaccid_: you're running sudo apt-get foo ? |
| 15:19.38 | flaccid_ | yeah |
| 15:19.58 | anoHito | petemc, i ran halt now,forgot to add -h, plus that, in the new datacentre,to test out their firewall ,they ( i now hate them very much) shut down my serve without telling me in advance . they did that only once. |
| 15:21.03 | anoHito | petemc, oh , i can not believe it, i has been thinking that improper shutting down would only bring out the 'software' realted problem in a disk. |
| 15:21.06 | \amethyst | flaccid_: hm, did you use -E or do something to affect the environment settings ? |
| 15:21.33 | \amethyst | flaccid_: with sudo I mean |
| 15:21.46 | petemc | anoHito: you still dont seem to know the exact problem so no point getting too worked up yet - also jelly suggested your controller might be running in pio mode? |
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| 15:22.43 | anoHito | if it is in pio mode, anyway, it had no problem at all in the old datacentre before the long distance transportation though. hmm. |
| 15:22.58 | anoHito | i did not change them. |
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| 15:23.42 | anoHito | but yes, i have given the root to them to let them configure the 2 IP thing. |
| 15:24.17 | anoHito | i do not know what they have done in my server, i have talked to them that if they have installed some shitty chinese filtering tools to the server,they said negative. |
| 15:24.35 | flaccid_ | \amethyst nope |
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| 15:25.11 | \amethyst | flaccid_: do you have any 'Defaults' directives in your /etc/sudoers? |
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| 15:26.03 | galen | what is the proper process with building a kernel and handling kernel modules? i have been building the kernel but i am having a modules problem. i think it is a user problem! |
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| 15:26.32 | galen | i grabbed the whole wireless-testing tree and was building it using make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
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| 15:26.48 | aixenv | hey guys we're noticing some problems installing lenny 64bit on a disk setup bigger than 2tb, both with grub and lilo, any suggestions? |
| 15:26.49 | galen | i have been debating whether i should be adding modules_image too or not |
| 15:27.02 | galen | aixenv: are you sure it isn't your hardware? |
| 15:27.09 | galen | e.g. bios, etc. |
| 15:27.46 | flaccid_ | \amethyst Defaults env_reset which is there from install |
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| 15:27.54 | aixenv | galen: well we've done it before just always had to use lilo, whereas we normally use grub, ill have the DC engineer make sure bios/raid drivers up to spec, but it's new hardware and im not sure that's the issue |
| 15:28.02 | galen | I am going crazy trying to get this thing to build here. I'm unsure if I am missing modules or building modules i shouldn't be building... |
| 15:28.41 | aixenv | i was thinking about trying reiser of ext4, thus far he was trying ext3 |
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| 15:28.48 | aixenv | s/of/or/ |
| 15:29.00 | galen | aixenv: have you run other OSes on there? |
| 15:29.16 | aixenv | this box had winbloze, and we're nuking it to put lenny on for a client |
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| 15:29.40 | aixenv | server 03 if i recall 64bit |
| 15:29.46 | galen | is this a single disk larger than 2 TB, or a RAID? |
| 15:29.50 | aixenv | raid |
| 15:29.59 | aixenv | i believe its raid5 |
| 15:30.10 | galen | are you certain we don't have a RAID limitation or RAID driver issue? |
| 15:30.14 | aixenv | we just started building it yesterday, so im not 100% on that |
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| 15:30.47 | galen | personally, i'd test out a smaller RAID configuration temporarily if you can |
| 15:30.53 | galen | i'd also try something like opensolaris |
| 15:30.59 | aixenv | im gonna have him make sure bios/perc etc drivers are up to date when he gets in, i believe this box has a perc 6i lemme check rq |
| 15:31.12 | galen | see if it chokes too... i personally have an 8 TB RAID with opensolaris and grub, no problems |
| 15:31.26 | anoHito | jelly, anything are found in dmesg ? |
| 15:31.57 | galen | and honestly, and this is my most humble opinion, i vastly prefer opensolaris + zpool/zfs for my storage needs over pretty much everything else |
| 15:32.00 | aixenv | ERC6i SAS RAID Controller with raid5 yea |
| 15:32.05 | galen | (even though i use linux plenty of other places) |
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| 15:32.20 | aixenv | eh we use debian :) |
| 15:32.24 | Manoj | galen: I use this to build kernels http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/compile-command |
| 15:32.37 | galen | i typically just use opensolaris as a storage and virtualization layer |
| 15:32.49 | aixenv | that's our standard , we have proprietary development stuff for deb |
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| 15:33.03 | aixenv | its gonna be a webserver, site is just ginormous |
| 15:33.07 | galen | yeah, we just virtualize linux atop that... it has nice xen, zones, virtualbox, etc. |
| 15:33.14 | aixenv | they exhausted their space with a box with like 400gb |
| 15:33.33 | aixenv | that doesn't get the performance a dedicated server would get |
| 15:33.41 | aixenv | hence the dedicated server, we virtualize stuff too though i hear ya |
| 15:33.53 | flaccid_ | i just moved to amazon ec2 and its faster than my dedicated server |
| 15:34.05 | galen | i just love how zfs cannot be corrupted. there's simply no state you can shut it down in where you lose data |
| 15:34.12 | aixenv | yea we're still working on developing an inhouse cloud environment |
| 15:34.13 | flaccid_ | well the now old dedicated |
| 15:34.14 | galen | there's no fsck... it's simply not corrupted |
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| 15:34.45 | galen | the lzjb compression is also very nice, it nets an overall performance improvement for most disk-related tasks |
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| 15:35.26 | galen | i have my boot SSD lzjb compressed on solaris, and it has a nice gnome environment, etc... you'd swear it was linux or something at first glance |
| 15:35.36 | galen | </talking aixenv into solaris> |
| 15:35.39 | aixenv | lol |
| 15:35.53 | aixenv | i havent had to deal with solaris since the sparc days |
| 15:36.01 | aixenv | been a while |
| 15:36.02 | galen | it's not painful anymore |
| 15:36.07 | flaccid_ | opensolaris is too slow on x86 |
| 15:36.14 | galen | flaccid_: compared to? |
| 15:36.22 | flaccid_ | what is on sparc |
| 15:36.29 | flaccid_ | and also what other nixes run |
| 15:36.34 | galen | flaccid_: on x86 hardware, it seems fairly comprable |
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| 15:36.53 | flaccid_ | hmm not in my experience, and others too |
| 15:37.01 | galen | it totally has huge weaknesses, but it has a few huge strengths, and it is incredibly stable... i think the only time i crashed it, i was hacking at the binary-only nvidia drivers |
| 15:37.36 | flaccid_ | yeah |
| 15:37.42 | flaccid_ | thats why i use freebsd :p |
| 15:37.46 | flaccid_ | the stability |
| 15:38.05 | galen | my primary benefit is storage stability |
| 15:38.07 | flaccid_ | not to mention many other things |
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| 15:38.19 | galen | I primarily use linux for the driver support |
| 15:38.29 | flaccid_ | well i think all these operating systems are stable for that. its not windows |
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| 15:39.07 | flaccid_ | yeah i use linux because its supported more in terms of vendor support and in general. but i so prefer freebsd for both server and desktop, but on desktop im short compared to linux because of vendors |
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| 15:39.45 | galen | well, zfs/zpool is the only filesystem to my knowledge which provides end to end data verification and copy-on-write for everything, including the filesystem index data, so there's no way to have data end up corrupted |
| 15:39.55 | galen | i may have missed something, and if so, i'd like to be informed |
| 15:40.17 | ajavid | !zfs |
| 15:40.22 | neosmatrix_ | hi, someone remember the "forcebindip" tool which is similar to the Windows forcedbindip.exe ? |
| 15:40.28 | galen | zfs+zpool i should clarify |
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| 15:40.40 | ajavid | dpkg, hi |
| 15:40.42 | greycat | neosmatrix_: what does that do? |
| 15:40.49 | ajavid | ah, bot lag |
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| 15:41.18 | galen | Manoj: tell me more about what you're doing there... |
| 15:41.24 | ajavid | Bind any Windows application to a specific interface |
| 15:41.26 | neosmatrix_ | it forces an application to use a specific network interface (eg. hamachi) |
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| 15:41.42 | greycat | neosmatrix_: that has to be done inside the application, under unix |
| 15:41.58 | galen | Manoj: are you putting the kernels source in /usr/local/src ? |
| 15:42.09 | greycat | neosmatrix_: fortunately, most non-amateur network listening programs under unix have config options to specify which IP to bind to |
| 15:42.11 | neosmatrix_ | someone here has found tool to force that |
| 15:42.14 | Manoj | yes |
| 15:42.37 | Manoj | and MODPATH is set to /usr/local/src/kernel/modules |
| 15:42.59 | Manoj | so no issues with permission bits in /usr/src |
| 15:43.15 | neosmatrix_ | greycat: its a dedicated server |
| 15:43.29 | greycat | How would you force such a thing under Unix? LD_PRELOAD trickery that intercepts bind calls? |
| 15:43.57 | greycat | neosmatrix_: does "dedicated server" mean "horrible piece of shit"? It seems to be some sort of jargon I'm not familiar with. |
| 15:44.00 | flaccid_ | zfs can be done on quite a few OS |
| 15:44.28 | neosmatrix_ | greycat: iits a dedicated server for Trackmania |
| 15:44.29 | galen | flaccid_: to my knowledge none are complete and stable yet... but i am dying for the day.... |
| 15:44.41 | greycat | I'm going to assume that was a "yes". |
| 15:44.54 | flaccid_ | rightio |
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| 15:45.09 | galen | flaccid_: when that day arrives, my love for opensolaris will rapidly fade :P |
| 15:45.34 | flaccid_ | i guess you are kind of right there galen http://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFS |
| 15:46.15 | galen | flaccid_: "in progress" and "not done" are not exactly high confidence words |
| 15:46.21 | Manoj | galen: I use out-of-tree modules for nvidia, which live under /usr/local/src/kernel/modules. If I did not, the modules_image line would not be needed. All in tree modules are built automatically |
| 15:46.25 | flaccid_ | yep i agree |
| 15:46.39 | galen | Manoj: I like the concept of make-kpkg, but i am still getting the hang of it. I have a fresh 5.01 install, just a few packages here and there added. I am grabbing the 2.6.30 tree from git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless-testing.git and attempting to build it. I have been grabbing either the 2.6.26 (5.01 default) or the latest 2.6.29-4 configuration, running a make oldconfig, then building. |
| 15:47.37 | galen | Manoj: No nvidia is required here, at least not really. So I think the whole modules thing can be excluded then? a simple make-kpkg would do? |
| 15:47.44 | Manoj | yup |
| 15:47.50 | galen | Manoj: why are you doing an append-to? |
| 15:48.09 | Manoj | You should consider reading the README.gz file in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ |
| 15:48.32 | Manoj | galen: I build kernels for a few machines on this fast machine |
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| 15:49.01 | Manoj | so I want to tell which machine the kernel is for, and the machine name is an easily appended |
| 15:49.20 | galen | ah, ok... it is not at all functional, just for your organizational purposes |
| 15:49.20 | Manoj | the default is to use the current machine's name |
| 15:49.33 | galen | Manoj: I will read it in a second here. I have read a lot, but I keep being faced with a non-bootable kernel post-boot, due to a module issue. |
| 15:49.44 | galen | Manoj: is there any reason the kernel source i am building must be in a certain location? |
| 15:49.55 | Manoj | well, it is _functional_, as in that it adds stuff that is usefule :-) |
| 15:49.58 | aixenv | i suppose il lhave to try making more partitions |
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| 15:50.24 | Manoj | galen: if you used --initrd, then reading the README may resolve your issue |
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| 15:51.01 | Manoj | galen: in other words, you might need to add files into /etc/kernel on the target machine if you are using an initrd |
| 15:51.08 | galen | Manoj: is that online anywhere handy? the debian box is in another OS finishing a task |
| 15:51.22 | Manoj | me, I just build in all the filesystems I use for /boot and / into the kernel |
| 15:51.34 | Manoj | wait a sec |
| 15:52.22 | stew | galen: your debian box runs stable aka lenny aka 5.0? |
| 15:52.25 | Manoj | http://git.debian.org/?p=users/srivasta/debian/kernel-package.git;a=blob;f=README;h=a1b50a309076047640a4c85db60b36e84c6661c5;hb=daaeb114feee6c299545121368dce399278c3878 |
| 15:52.50 | galen | stew: yes |
| 15:52.53 | greycat | galen: you can't mount the Debian file systems under your other OS? |
| 15:53.15 | galen | greycat: not with what i am doing at the second.... i am manipulating the partitions |
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| 15:55.35 | oznt | hi can anyone help me solve a wierd problem with samba ? I can't see any computer on my workgroup |
| 15:55.44 | SamB | wonders why there are both tkdiff and tkcvs packages ... |
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| 15:56.01 | galen | Manoj: if you don't do an initrd image, how do you do it? |
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| 15:56.38 | Manoj | err, why do I need an initrd, when all the file systems needed to mount /boot an / are builtin? |
| 15:57.05 | Manoj | initrds are stupid thingsa that just slow down the boot process |
| 15:57.14 | SamB | Manoj: well, could be useful for running fsck on them ... |
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| 15:57.42 | Manoj | they are needed for vendor kernels, since the vendor kernels build in everything and the kitchen sync |
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| 15:57.55 | bookmark | hiya |
| 15:58.00 | Manoj | SamB: how does an initrd do any better than a kernel with the modules built in? |
| 15:58.01 | galen | Manoj: hmm, so i could just exclude the --initrd and be fine likely? |
| 15:58.18 | SamB | Manoj: well, you don't need to fsck the initrd! |
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| 15:58.24 | Manoj | galen: depending on your kernel config |
| 15:58.39 | galen | Manoj: Ah, now we get into the fun part! |
| 15:58.41 | Manoj | SamB: I do not have an initrd, so why do I need to fsck it? |
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| 15:59.00 | bookmark | if i want to inject bzImage I do what? |
| 15:59.01 | SamB | so if you have fsck on an initrd, you can use that to fsck / *before* it gets mounted |
| 15:59.05 | Manoj | galen: your kernel config should build in all the file systems you use into the kernel, not as modules |
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| 15:59.24 | Manoj | SamB: that is what rescue disks are for |
| 15:59.35 | galen | Manoj: is there any reason why i shouldn't just stuff anything i think i might need into the kernel? |
| 15:59.46 | berzerka | hey guys. any tips what to back up in addition to /etc and /home to get a working system ASAP after a disk crash? kernel config maybe? (although i'm using the stock kernel atm). anything else? |
| 15:59.51 | Manoj | I use a rescue disk less than once a year. My laptop boots several ties a day. not having an initrd helps |
| 15:59.53 | SamB | galen: could waste RAM |
| 16:00.02 | Manoj | galen: none. I do not use modules either |
| 16:00.05 | galen | SamB: Woo... 8 GB of RAM... gonna waste a lot |
| 16:00.06 | greycat | berzerka: your list of packages |
| 16:00.08 | SamB | some of it might even cause problems ... |
| 16:00.18 | Manoj | before doing that, do an lsmod |
| 16:00.27 | Manoj | look at all the modules you are using. |
| 16:00.45 | berzerka | greycat: of course! simply dpkg -l and the some for each apt-get install bash line? or does apt automate this somehow? |
| 16:00.46 | galen | Manoj: I am almost done in the other OS, then i'll be back to Debian and do an lsmod and revise my configuration |
| 16:00.50 | Manoj | then in the configuration screen, (xconfig), search for and build in those modules |
| 16:00.53 | greycat | berzerka: dpkg --get-selections |
| 16:01.13 | Manoj | viola, eveything you machine needs will be in the kernel, and you do not need /lib/modules either |
| 16:01.16 | galen | should i grab the 2.6.29-4 configuration from the debian site, to a make oldconfig, then jump to xconfig? |
| 16:01.23 | greycat | berzerka: and the reverse is: dpkg --set-selections < yourfile; dselect install |
| 16:01.26 | SamB | one situation where you don't want to use modules is when you want to debug a kernel in qemu ;-) |
| 16:01.46 | Manoj | I tend to leave in a dummy module or so, just so other utilities do not freak at a missing /lib/modules/$(uname -r), but I never load that module |
| 16:01.53 | bookmark | how can i test a kernel? |
| 16:02.04 | Manoj | the deban config is the kitchen sink. |
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| 16:02.08 | berzerka | greycat: nice! dselect? i thought it was that gui app to select groups of packages. i'll take a look. anything else to care about? |
| 16:02.11 | SamB | Manoj: huh. you'd think there'd be a module just FOR that |
| 16:02.14 | Manoj | you might want to try defconfig or something instead |
| 16:02.19 | galen | Manoj: yes, but i'd like something that actually works! |
| 16:02.22 | galen | Manoj: defconfig? |
| 16:02.31 | Manoj | make defconfig, I think |
| 16:02.35 | greycat | berzerka: You should probably have a full backup of everything just in case. |
| 16:02.36 | Manoj | been a while since I did that |
| 16:02.39 | galen | does it autogenerate a configuraiton? |
| 16:02.42 | SamB | bookmark: test it for what ? |
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| 16:02.44 | Manoj | yes. |
| 16:02.47 | SamB | working on your system? |
| 16:02.48 | bookmark | to run it |
| 16:02.56 | bookmark | i mean i used to type lilo and it would inject it |
| 16:03.00 | bookmark | do i type grub? |
| 16:03.19 | SamB | oh, just make sure it's in your grub config file and then reboot |
| 16:03.19 | greycat | bookmark: Is this a debian kernel that you have installed? |
| 16:03.26 | Manoj | galen: try typing make help |
| 16:03.27 | SamB | grub reads the filesytem |
| 16:03.29 | galen | Manoj: I will try that out. I was wondering if such a thing existed. I don't compile the linux kernel normally, but they have done extensive work on several parts of 2.6.30 so I am forced to do so.... |
| 16:03.33 | berzerka | greycat: well that's probably overkill, all those binaries can be restored easily from the net. but you're right it would be most secure and fast to restore. |
| 16:03.36 | Manoj | I gotta go, phone call from work |
| 16:03.39 | SamB | bookmark: got that? |
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| 16:04.03 | bookmark | its a kernel.org kernel that i compiled |
| 16:04.07 | bookmark | bzImage |
| 16:04.10 | greycat | bookmark: if you use GRUB to boot, you don't type grub each time a new kernel is installed; that was for LILO |
| 16:04.16 | galen | Manoj: thanks for your help. i will be continuing to work on this! |
| 16:04.23 | bookmark | so do i simply put it in /boot? |
| 16:04.33 | greycat | bookmark: you might want to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst by hand, but in a pinch, grub can boot any file it can see in /boot |
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| 16:06.02 | berzerka | while i'm at it. if i schedule a cron job to run each day at midnight for example. if the system is off at that point in time, will the job be done the next time the cron daemon awakes? what if the system was shut down for several days then? |
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| 16:06.18 | berzerka | s/done/executed/ |
| 16:06.43 | greycat | berzerka: no, cron doesn't run jobs that it "missed". That's what anacron is for though. |
| 16:06.55 | greycat | (If I understand anacron properly.) |
| 16:06.58 | mintux | i have some thing : my partition table lost . but i partition and data exists . i have these: 1-the (lost )partitions list http://tinypic.info/files/uz78xo5jmn5lg103uxen.png 2-lost partitions tables with details in fdisk http://pastebin.com/m59f80016 3-now the partition list changed to http://pastebin.com/m32c0cb32 and gparted is http://tinypic.info/files/9ngsva2va5bnfpysrpjs.png 5- in gpart i have this http://pastebin.com/m14c81f2b ||| now i would like to r |
| 16:07.05 | berzerka | greycat: i see. thank you very much! |
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| 16:07.43 | decoder | does anyone know how gdb is to be compiled under debian? (this is an etch system, I need a newer gdb there) |
| 16:08.03 | greycat | You could just compile the upstream gdb tarball, probably. |
| 16:08.15 | decoder | i tried |
| 16:08.25 | decoder | it complains about termcap missing, but afaik debian doesnt have termcap |
| 16:08.45 | greycat | Did its ./configure have any options about curses or terminfo? |
| 16:08.54 | decoder | i havent seen any |
| 16:09.14 | decoder | nope, checked again |
| 16:09.18 | fluxdude | does anyone here use preseeding? |
| 16:09.20 | greycat | You could check the Debian gdb patches to see what build options Debian uses for it (in debian/rules) |
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| 16:11.22 | mintux | no idea? |
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| 16:13.10 | jelly | decoder: you could also try backporting, /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 16:13.14 | decoder | greycat: found it :) --with-termlib=ncurses |
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| 16:13.28 | jelly | judd: versions gdb |
| 16:13.28 | judd | jelly: gdb -- etch: 6.4.90.dfsg-1 lenny: 6.8-3 sid: 6.8-3 squeeze: 6.8-3 experimental: 6.8.50.20090116.python-1 |
| 16:13.58 | greycat | cuddles the HP gdb 3.0.01 on his HP-UX workstation network |
| 16:14.08 | decoder | hm |
| 16:14.12 | decoder | well the gdb 6.4 is slightly broken |
| 16:14.16 | decoder | 6.8 does what i want |
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| 16:14.39 | greycat | decoder: if the upstream tarball doesn't work out, you can also /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 16:15.11 | greycat | Errr... whenever dpkg starts working again. |
| 16:15.14 | decoder | thanks |
| 16:15.31 | asg | greycat: apt is around |
| 16:15.37 | greycat | apt: ssb |
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| 16:15.48 | fabio_ | hi there |
| 16:15.48 | greycat | apt: simple sid backport |
| 16:15.48 | apt | it has been said that simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 16:16.03 | fabio_ | need hel with xorg.conf |
| 16:16.17 | jelly | apt: you need a database update |
| 16:16.45 | fabio_ | "MigrationEuristic" "greedy" for EXa, what is it for ? |
| 16:17.03 | jelly | http://dpkg.vireo.org/factoid.php?key=simple%20sid%20backport |
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| 16:20.30 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 16:21.14 | mcgreg | can anybody help me a litrle with that sun java stuff? I havce instaleld the packages but when I start java_vm -> You need to set both JAVA_HOME and PLUGIN_HOME now, what is PLUGIN_HOME? I've set the other |
| 16:21.45 | mcgreg | I use amd64 btw |
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| 16:23.16 | themill | mcgreg: nothing in debian should need JAVA_HOME or PLUGIN_HOME set. You could try update-java-alternatives to manually select the sun jre though. |
| 16:23.36 | greycat | themill has a different definition of "manually" than I do... |
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| 16:24.02 | themill | greycat: man update-java-alternatives and see the "auto" setting :) |
| 16:24.18 | greycat | ln -sf /foo/bar/whatever /etc/alternatives/whatever |
| 16:24.24 | greycat | that's what I consider "manual" ;-) |
| 16:24.31 | galen | greycat / SamB : here we go, i used make defconfig to generate a config, enabled a VERY minimal few additional options, left NO modules, and now I am doing a make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 16:24.38 | themill | greycat: keep doing that for the other 100 java alternatives though. |
| 16:24.49 | galen | the only twist was i set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=8 so I could fully use all the cores |
| 16:25.36 | magdalene | bursts out of an idle_herbivores chest and quickly skitters into the darkness of the #debian_fern's moist foliage |
| 16:25.41 | galen | the build won't take long, and hopefully, at long last, this will work right |
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| 16:27.31 | galen | wow, that was fast, defconfig made a MUCH smaller kernel |
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| 16:28.21 | galen | AUGH. It is freaking out over modules. I swear I had them all off... |
| 16:28.32 | galen | maybe there are some left, somehow |
| 16:28.53 | greycat | Maybe you should let it build just one, like Manoj suggested. |
| 16:29.08 | mcgreg | themill: I did that.. I chose the sun java .. hmm seems to work |
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| 16:29.29 | bookmark | what does it mean when this is red lettering?:vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 16:29.31 | mcgreg | themill: well, thx you .. thx you all |
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| 16:29.48 | bookmark | is that a hard link? |
| 16:29.57 | galen | greycat: i think some residual modules from prior builds may have been left behind |
| 16:30.00 | greycat | dangling symlink, probably |
| 16:30.14 | galen | there are no =m in the whole .config, i assume there are no other ways i'd get modules in there? |
| 16:30.17 | magdalene | what i want to know is why, after getting someone who 'claims' to be someone who knows more than I do with debian to redo my laptop, is no matter which Xwindowing system I use, certain aptitude installed lenny stable programs keep crashing X |
| 16:30.27 | bookmark | ah... |
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| 16:31.05 | bookmark | what is the command for symlink? mklink? |
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| 16:31.09 | greycat | ln -s |
| 16:31.12 | bookmark | right.. |
| 16:31.24 | creature_ | after installing the fglrx module from debian repo shouldn't you be able to load it right away? |
| 16:31.29 | cahoot | magdalene: more important than who is what was done |
| 16:31.37 | magdalene | heh |
| 16:31.46 | magdalene | I know |
| 16:31.59 | magdalene | just poking fingers into soft tummys of the idle. |
| 16:32.00 | greycat | If an application is crashing the X server, that sounds like a bug in X, or in an X driver module. |
| 16:32.03 | galen | greycat: are you telling me to look for a symlink? |
| 16:32.12 | greycat | galen: no, I was answering bookmark |
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| 16:32.46 | galen | greycat: I get a bunch of stuff in /lib/modules/2.6.30-rc5-wl/modules* after I run the dpkg -i |
| 16:32.58 | galen | shouldn't there be none? |
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| 16:33.13 | bookmark | where is the grub config? |
| 16:33.21 | greycat | galen: I don't have experience with that stuff, sorry. |
| 16:33.25 | greycat | bookmark: /boot/grub/ |
| 16:33.36 | greycat | (you probably want to start with menu.lst) |
| 16:33.51 | magdalene | as far as I know it was supposed to be a reinstall of lenny stable, with wdm and a few small Xwindowing clients e16 ice etc |
| 16:34.22 | magdalene | with networking on t he pcmcia and sound |
| 16:34.34 | magdalene | i finally managed the networkign and sound myself |
| 16:36.01 | magdalene | about half of the programs run off the menus reboot x. I am just learning the config stuff for linux so its frustrating having a box I can't fix when it goes south |
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| 16:36.22 | galen | greycat / SamB any reason i should move the source into /usr/src/ ? |
| 16:36.25 | greycat | magdalene: what video card, and are you using standard xorg drivers, or proprietary nvidia/radeon ones? |
| 16:36.37 | magdalene | sec |
| 16:36.47 | SamB | galen: I believe I've read to the contrary |
| 16:36.54 | SamB | possibly in the kernel's README ... |
| 16:37.18 | greycat | last time I did upstream kernel stuff, I just extracted in /usr/src |
| 16:37.30 | galen | ok, here we go again, i am commentting out config_defconfig_list |
| 16:38.05 | SamB | well, okay, in particular it was /usr/src/linux that I was warned not to use for the kernel source tree ... |
| 16:38.47 | xub | excuse me, if a device has 3907648 blocks, that means it's like, 3.9GB right? |
| 16:39.01 | asg | depends on the size of the blocks |
| 16:39.03 | greycat | depends on how big the blocks are |
| 16:39.13 | xub | *gulps* |
| 16:39.17 | beardy | So did I. But I'd suggest /usr/local/src sicne I now know better. |
| 16:39.29 | greycat | if this is from fdisk -l, look at the other lines for the block size |
| 16:39.54 | xub | /dev/sdb1 * 19 17741 3907648 b W95 FAT32 |
| 16:39.55 | galen | SamB / beardy : I am strictly talking about the building process here |
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| 16:40.11 | beardy | galen: So am I. |
| 16:40.18 | xub | (i'm wildly guessing that that's my USB stick) |
| 16:40.19 | SamB | I assume any other name in /usr/src is fair game ... |
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| 16:41.21 | galen | beardy: I will copy it all there and give it a more proper name. I doubt this will make a big difference but I dont' see why not... |
| 16:41.33 | mmu_man | hmm lenny is iso-8859-1 by default ??? or is it just OVH which forces this antique charset instead of UTF-8 ? |
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| 16:41.46 | greycat | xub: that looks like fdisk -l. your partition starts on cylinder 19 and ends on cylinder 17741, so it's (17741-19+1) = 17723 cylinders. You can multiple that by the cylinder size reported earlier in the fdisk -l output. |
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| 16:42.25 | greycat | I don't know for sure that "Blocks" means 1K blocks in fdisk -l. It never says. |
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| 16:43.27 | creature_ | never guess what happened when i tried to start X with fglrx driver |
| 16:43.27 | thrashold | Woah, apt-get update is fast for me: `Fetched 283kB in 27min 59s (168B/s)' :D |
| 16:43.30 | creature_ | Kernel Panic |
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| 16:44.05 | xub | greycat, i just want to find out what my usb stick is called, i know it's something like /media/disk, but it has to be something like /dev/sda? |
| 16:44.12 | greycat | thrashold: Aren't you glad you waxed the string between those cans now? :) |
| 16:44.33 | greycat | xub: err, then why are you asking about fdisk -l output? |
| 16:44.52 | greycat | xub: connect it to the computer, wait a second, and then run "dmesg" and look at the end of the output. Pray. |
| 16:45.21 | greycat | /media/disk sounds like a directory (mount point) to me, not a device |
| 16:45.24 | xub | lool i dunno linux has so many commands :D |
| 16:45.27 | galen | here we go again, with a few minor module-related changes to the config. i think this fully disables modules... |
| 16:46.15 | greycat | When a device is connected and its driver module (if any) is loaded, it doesn't automatically mount. You have to mount it yourself, by knowing the device name and the mount point where you want it to be, unless you're running some program that does such things automatically. |
| 16:46.48 | galen | ok, i have certainly turned off module support, yet there are still modules be stuffed into the k ernel |
| 16:46.52 | beardy | With USB sticks that's not that.. good, not with anything really, since it can't know when it is done writing. |
| 16:47.27 | rhodescus | pmount automounts usb media in /media |
| 16:47.29 | galen | make-kpkg kernel_image makes a nice deb file which installs piles of crap in /lib/modules/2.6.30-rc5-wl/kernel/drivers/* |
| 16:47.39 | galen | this causes he machine to experience a fatal error at boot |
| 16:49.07 | xub | Unable to unmount "4G Removable Volume": |
| 16:49.07 | xub | Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken |
| 16:49.29 | xub | ok, i really gotta run, but my tech instinct says that i can solve this one (i hope lol) |
| 16:49.55 | rhodescus | xub: something has an open file on the device |
| 16:49.55 | cahoot | galen: hardly fi you don't enable the options in the kernel config |
| 16:50.19 | xub | rhodescus, thanks, i'll see you people in a couple of hours, brb |
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| 16:50.22 | galen | cahoot: i thought i had every module disabled! i searched for "module" and "=m" and i believe all is off... |
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| 16:51.16 | anoHito | I need help to replace HDD please, does LSI 3041E SAS card be recognized by Debian etch no problem at all ? |
| 16:51.52 | anoHito | first of all,i gotta use a riser in the pci-e socket, then connect that SAS card to it ,cuz it is a 1U ,very small . |
| 16:52.15 | anoHito | i assume that PCI-E can be recognized by etch installer no problem by default ? |
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| 16:55.12 | galen | this is truly mysterious. at boot it reports trying to insert modules from /lib/modules/2.6.30* |
| 16:55.17 | galen | but when i boot up.. there's nothing in there |
| 16:55.36 | galen | there's not even a /lib/modules/2.6.3* directory |
| 16:55.47 | epsas | weird |
| 16:56.47 | cahoot | galen: /etc/module is empty? |
| 16:56.52 | cahoot | galen: /etc/modules is empty? |
| 16:57.04 | galen | cahoot: i will check there as soon as i am booted again |
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| 16:59.27 | galen | cahoot: loop and sbp2 are the only non-commented out items |
| 16:59.32 | galen | can i safely comment those out? |
| 17:00.26 | cahoot | galen: actually I'm rather unclear about what you want to achieve and why your system seems so messed up |
| 17:01.04 | galen | cahoot: my system is fine in the 2.6.26 kernel. i am trying to build any basic 2.6.30-rc5 kernel so I can work with some of the new wireless / network changes |
| 17:01.29 | galen | cahoot: this is basically a clean install, a few items added from the debian repository, and that's it |
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| 17:01.54 | galen | cahoot: nothing important here... i am just trying to get any bootable kernel build to happen, and i can likely take it from there |
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| 17:02.28 | cahoot | galen: if the system works fine with 2.6.26 (or any real kernel) I wouldn't mess with the basic setup- rather investigate what you do wrong when configuring the new |
| 17:02.32 | bookmark | hi |
| 17:02.42 | bookmark | what is /boot/initrd.img-2.yadayada |
| 17:03.03 | galen | cahoot: I am not trying to change the basic setup, i just want any bootable 2.6.30-rc5 kernel to build! |
| 17:03.06 | bookmark | what is /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 17:03.22 | galen | once i get there, it is simple to make changes, identify what causes it to hork, etc. |
| 17:03.30 | cahoot | galen: so tahe your time and do a correct config |
| 17:03.38 | galen | cahoot: please define that |
| 17:03.51 | bookmark | to hork lol |
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| 17:04.03 | cahoot | galen: step by step, option by option |
| 17:04.19 | galen | there are 100s and 100s of options. i have no clue what the implications of each is. |
| 17:04.50 | bookmark | just rebuild it how debian built it |
| 17:04.54 | bookmark | make oldconfig |
| 17:04.55 | cahoot | galen: you have to get that grasp if you want to succeed |
| 17:04.58 | omid8bimo | checking out the NEW Linux.com ... good job fellows |
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| 17:05.11 | bookmark | i built my kernel and now i can't get it installed hehe |
| 17:05.39 | bookmark | now i need initrd or something |
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| 17:08.34 | galen | cahoot: I simply want wireless drivers that work. They have made major changes in 2.6.30 so I need that to test properly. The problem is that with 100s and 100s of options and know idea on how to diagnose failures, it is roughly like asking me to learn how to speak chinese by reading a book. |
| 17:08.50 | galen | It may be possible, but it is not at all probable that I will get anywhere near close |
| 17:09.57 | galen | bookmark & cahoot: I have tried using debian's options and something is wrong there too. I believe it was resulting in either an ahci address collision or a vfs problem |
| 17:10.14 | galen | i will try again, but any guidance on where to begin troubleshooting would be amazingly helpful |
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| 17:11.08 | adb | galen: ask linus ;) |
| 17:11.54 | cahoot | galen: troubleshooting would be relevant after you've built and booted a working kernel - sorry but there's no easy way out |
| 17:11.56 | galen | he's not that far away from here |
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| 17:12.27 | galen | cahoot: therein lies the problem. every kernel does not boot. i do not know how to identify what each boot error means and how to correct it. |
| 17:12.42 | galen | perhaps i will start stalking linus |
| 17:12.44 | Pnux | hey, im having a "weird" issue with 2 applications (epiphany and lifearea). Basically every time i start them, they are set to 'Work Offline', even if i close them properly. Does anybody know what could be wrong? |
| 17:12.45 | galen | i wonder if he'd mind? |
| 17:13.06 | cahoot | I'm sure he'll be delighted |
| 17:13.10 | RoenieSrvr | lol |
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| 17:13.26 | Pnux | yeah, he is he nicest man on earth |
| 17:13.33 | Pnux | *the |
| 17:13.55 | galen | he lives in portland, oregon... i am across the river in vancouver... perhaps 10-15 miles away, haha |
| 17:14.03 | RoenieSrvr | what's his email address? i could use a new car |
| 17:14.06 | galen | kernel.org is very fast for me :) |
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| 17:18.11 | cahoot | RoenieSrvr: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> |
| 17:18.15 | hark | Pnux: maybe, do you use network manager? |
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| 17:18.46 | RoenieSrvr | ty :P |
| 17:18.48 | Pnux | hark: not sure what that is |
| 17:19.26 | hark | Pnux: with epiphany, it has a feature where it manages offline status with NM |
| 17:19.55 | hark | Pnux: in /apps/epiphany/general/managed_network |
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| 17:20.41 | Pnux | hark: file or directory now found |
| 17:20.53 | hark | it's a gconf setting |
| 17:21.18 | Pnux | hark: ill search for that later, i have to go now.. thanks |
| 17:21.21 | mmu_man | hmm <notroll>no webmin in apt ?</notroll> |
| 17:21.21 | hark | you can use gconf-editor |
| 17:21.39 | flaccid_ | hahaha |
| 17:21.42 | greycat | Speaking of settings, what on earth is the deal with ~/.config? What possessed people to start using that instead of per-application configuration directories/files? |
| 17:21.56 | flaccid_ | wtf is ~/.config |
| 17:22.13 | greycat | flaccid_: I'm not sure, but xmms2 and gtk-2.0 and "menus" are inside it |
| 17:22.21 | flaccid_ | òh |
| 17:22.31 | flaccid_ | i guess you can blame gnome or something for that |
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| 17:22.57 | Pnux | ~/.config is a folder |
| 17:22.58 | apt | okay, Pnux |
| 17:23.09 | hark | freedesktop stuff iirc |
| 17:23.09 | JoshH | xfce keeps stuff in .config also |
| 17:23.10 | greycat | apt: forget /.config |
| 17:23.10 | apt | i forgot /.config, greycat |
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| 17:23.34 | Pnux | but it is a folder |
| 17:23.40 | greycat | it's a directory |
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| 17:24.23 | Pnux | autostart gtk-2.0 metacity qBittorrent Thunar transmission Trolltech.conf user-dirs.locale xfce4 enchant menus Nokia swfdec-mozilla.conf totem Trolltech user-dirs.dirs vlc xfce4-session |
| 17:24.34 | Pnux | thats my ls .config |
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| 17:25.25 | greycat | I guess it's Yet Another Linux Developer Decided To Change Shit For No Reason. Again. |
| 17:27.07 | _johan | Hello, is there any official program for locking the screen when afk? Before I used xlock, but can´t find it. |
| 17:27.16 | greycat | _johan: apt-get install xlockmore |
| 17:27.29 | \amethyst | _johan: gnome-screensaver-command --lock |
| 17:27.53 | \amethyst | _johan: or xscreensaver-command --lock if you don't use gnome-screensaver (or xlockmore as greycat pointed out) |
| 17:28.27 | \amethyst | greycat: it doesn't provide rationale, but http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html is the spec for ~/.config etc |
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| 17:30.20 | eee_555 | oh screensaver... i am searching one, too... there have to be one which allows user switching... it was mentioned in this "booting linux in 5 seconds" artikel from some intel-developers |
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| 17:31.08 | \amethyst | eee_555: gnome-screensaver's unlock dialog has a "Switch User" button |
| 17:31.13 | _johan | Thanks will check \amethyst |
| 17:31.25 | eee_555 | the question is: which screensaver is that and how can i start it after the boot without starting gdm, kdm first |
| 17:31.30 | flaccid_ | both gnome and kde can do that stuff |
| 17:31.41 | mmu_man | hmm no package which would have a preinstalled subversion server ? having to screw up /etc/init.d or apache conf is ugly |
| 17:32.01 | flaccid_ | eee_555 if you don't use a login manager, you can start in the xsession like any binary |
| 17:32.13 | eee_555 | \amethyst: , flaccid_ thx |
| 17:32.22 | \amethyst | eee_555: generally the user switching stuff is done with your display manager |
| 17:32.33 | flaccid_ | mmu_man pkg subversion iirc |
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| 17:33.13 | flaccid_ | the user switching stuff is generally done by the DE or add ons to the DE |
| 17:33.16 | \amethyst | eee_555: though I'm not sure that you have to be running gdm already |
| 17:33.23 | eee_555 | so i need gdm for user-switching with screensaver, too? |
| 17:33.30 | \amethyst | probably |
| 17:33.34 | _johan | \amethyst non of the xscreensavers worked, and xlockmore dont exist.. |
| 17:33.35 | eee_555 | argh |
| 17:33.44 | greycat | _johan: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:33.55 | _johan | 5.0.1 |
| 17:34.09 | greycat | _johan: the package name is xlockmore, and the program named is xlock |
| 17:34.14 | flaccid_ | i wouldn't expect a screensaver to do switching |
| 17:34.24 | \amethyst | oh, it's only in sid |
| 17:34.41 | eee_555 | but ok. it can do a automated login and activates screensaver-lock right after the login... so the desktop will be there much faster, when i "login"... thats my thought |
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| 17:34.47 | greycat | what, it's missing from lenny?! |
| 17:35.02 | greycat | Jesus... where did they move it to NOW? |
| 17:35.02 | flaccid_ | yeah you can do autologin that works |
| 17:35.34 | greycat | waits for p.d.o/xlockmore to load |
| 17:35.50 | flaccid_ | i just got a viagra email, better check it |
| 17:36.22 | lunk | your name makes you an obvious target |
| 17:36.26 | lunk | limpy. |
| 17:36.31 | _johan | :P |
| 17:37.23 | eee_555 | btw. i have checked "Andrew File System" now with the implemetion of OpenAFS... Its much, much too complicated for my usage |
| 17:37.23 | flaccid_ | didn't know bots knew semantics :p |
| 17:37.27 | mmu_man | flaccid_ yes I know, but it does not setup the server in anyway |
| 17:37.28 | greycat | judd: versions xlockmore |
| 17:37.29 | judd | greycat: xlockmore -- sid: 1:5.27-1 |
| 17:37.37 | mmu_man | it installs teh binaries, that's it |
| 17:37.48 | greycat | I am officially confused. |
| 17:38.07 | \amethyst | greycat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473400 probably kept it out |
| 17:38.07 | flaccid_ | mmu_man what you need set up sorry ? |
| 17:38.16 | \amethyst | greycat: and 472076 |
| 17:38.24 | flaccid_ | i guess im confused too |
| 17:38.25 | mmu_man | flaccid_ svnserve |
| 17:38.43 | flaccid_ | mmu_man oh right. yeah thats normal anywhere |
| 17:38.47 | flaccid_ | how you choose to server svn is up to you |
| 17:38.58 | eee_555 | isnt there a network-filsystem or a local filesystem, which just checks a local root if the needed file exist... and if not.. get it from remote... i mean a kind of NFS-root with local cache? |
| 17:39.02 | mmu_man | installing "subversion" doesn't get svnserve running as daemon or from apache... |
| 17:39.37 | flaccid_ | mmu_man don't expect it to. its not meant to |
| 17:39.37 | mmu_man | well it would be nice to have it done and choose how with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:39.51 | flaccid_ | i agree, but thats not how it is |
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| 17:41.04 | eee_555 | maybe with file-checks (how large, acces-time, CRC) and check it with the remote... like rsync does it |
| 17:41.10 | greycat | eee_555: sounds like "NFS that's half broken" |
| 17:41.26 | eee_555 | greycat: -v |
| 17:41.26 | flaccid_ | never heard of anything like that myself |
| 17:41.41 | flaccid_ | generally there are 1 way and 2 way synchros |
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| 17:41.56 | flaccid_ | control is not usually done by the binary but by script and cron |
| 17:42.07 | \amethyst | maybe coda instead of NFS? |
| 17:42.17 | \amethyst | or intermezzo |
| 17:42.28 | eee_555 | read about coda, too.. its complicated, too ^^ |
| 17:42.48 | \amethyst | oh, wait, these days it's lustre |
| 17:43.02 | eee_555 | maybe i think it should be too easy |
| 17:43.06 | greycat | Do I need to learn any of these things, or can I just wait 3 months? |
| 17:43.17 | greycat | (For them to be replaced or to die.) |
| 17:43.25 | o2T7 | quit |
| 17:43.40 | eee_555 | just a NFS-root with local cache... so that not all of the NFS-root gets downloaded every time |
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| 17:43.49 | greycat | "downloaded"? |
| 17:44.00 | mmu_man | flaccid_ I suppose I'll have to send a patch :P |
| 17:44.24 | greycat | Put another NIC in your NFS server if you need to increase bandwidth coming out of it. |
| 17:44.42 | flaccid_ | mmu_man it will probably be rejected because svnserve is only one method to server |
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| 17:45.11 | eee_555 | greycat: as a thin-client which gets his root from NFS... a NFS-root is my "downloading" here. |
| 17:45.52 | eee_555 | greycat: anothe nic doesnt help. i plan to nfs-root-boot through the internets |
| 17:46.11 | greycat | I truly hope this is a troll.... |
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| 17:46.18 | eee_555 | me? |
| 17:46.19 | flaccid_ | hehe |
| 17:46.21 | greycat | Yeah. |
| 17:47.19 | \amethyst | eee_555: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CacheFS |
| 17:47.28 | galen | what's the simplest way to grab a 2.6.28/2.6.29 kernel for debian 5.01? |
| 17:47.28 | greycat | How about: you put a machine with a DISK (*gasp!*) in it at each physical site and let it rsync from the NFS-root-master-server-god-machine at the HQ site. |
| 17:47.41 | eee_555 | ok. i mentioned it yesterday. the plan is to open a OpenVPN-connection with the local initrd... connect to openvpn-server... and get NFS-root from there |
| 17:47.42 | greycat | Then each diskless client at each physical site can NFS-root-boot from the slave machine that has a disk. |
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| 17:50.32 | eee_555 | greycat: there are is no local NFS-root at each site. it is for road-warriors with just a local initrd and kernel... maybe with cd-boot |
| 17:51.17 | pappanz | hello. I am using debian sid and trying to install midori. I get an error message because libwebkit1.0-1 is a 'virtual package'. what does it mean? |
| 17:51.18 | greycat | People do strange shit. |
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| 17:51.25 | yaaar | howdy |
| 17:51.47 | greycat | Why would this hypothetical "road warrior" not have a hard disk in her laptop? |
| 17:52.03 | yaaar | guys, i just did 'apt-get remove mailman' and then 'apt-get purge mailman' but I still have a /usr/lib/mailman directory with stuff in it |
| 17:52.11 | yaaar | what's the deal? how do i get it completely removed? |
| 17:52.13 | eee_555 | yea, it is strange. :) the concept is: boot your personal computer from everywhere |
| 17:52.31 | greycat | You could do that by putting nonvolatile storage in the personal computer. |
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| 17:52.41 | eee_555 | with centalized images... else all could be local |
| 17:52.45 | dondelelcaro | pappanz: presubaly because you haven't installed libwebkit-1.0-1 or similar. |
| 17:52.53 | dondelelcaro | (or something has a broken libwebkit dependency) |
| 17:53.31 | dondelelcaro | (or hasn't been rebuilt against libwebkit-1.0-2) |
| 17:53.34 | greycat | dondelelcaro: given the "using debian sid" in the question, probably the latter |
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| 17:54.22 | greycat | eee_555: What do you plan to do when your slaves revolt because their computers cannot boot when they're disconnected from the master? |
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| 17:54.48 | greycat | Which, with public Internet as your transport medium, is not likely, but certain? |
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| 17:55.05 | deadbeef | excuseme guys, i am trying to use debootstrap to create a chroot jail on debian, but i get this: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /usr/local/share/chroot/lenny mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 17:55.19 | eee_555 | greycat: when the local cache is synced with the NFS-root ist should boot from it as fallback |
| 17:56.31 | greycat | eee_555> greycat: as a thin-client which gets his root from NFS... |
| 17:56.40 | greycat | Did the meaning of "thin client" change while I wasn't looking? |
| 17:57.01 | eee_555 | hmm no... i mean not really "thin client" |
| 17:57.11 | eee_555 | just for the first boot until it is synced |
| 17:58.16 | eee_555 | the sync should go on in the background when bandwith is not needed |
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| 18:00.33 | mib_r4h51y0g | are the repos down? |
| 18:00.38 | dondelelcaro | mib_r4h51y0g: no |
| 18:00.41 | greycat | confirms that wikipedia at least is still using the same meaning of "thin client" that I am |
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| 18:00.55 | cahoot | you wrote the entry? |
| 18:00.58 | greycat | That's good. I'm not out of date on that particular technobabble yet. |
| 18:01.04 | eee_555 | the thing with the local initrd, openvpn and NFS-root... and though WLAN is possible... i am just on this local cache an d to get a solution for syncing it |
| 18:01.30 | maligor | Thin Client: Something running the latest microsoft operating system over the network? :P |
| 18:01.51 | greycat | eee_555: why can't you install a minimal Debian system on it in the first place, and avoid this "root file system comes from a remote file system over a slow link with oddball encryption and authentication" step altogether? |
| 18:02.17 | greycat | maligor: no, "a network computer without a user writable long term storage device" |
| 18:02.27 | eee_555 | greycat: the system should be "on" instantly after boot |
| 18:02.42 | greycat | eee_555: if it has to boot across the Internet, that won't be instant |
| 18:02.42 | mib_r4h51y0g | getting error: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 18:02.56 | greycat | mib_r4h51y0g: be root. |
| 18:02.57 | eee_555 | i dont want users to install something.. i want the images on the server |
| 18:03.06 | patrikf | mib_r4h51y0g: means you have dpkg, apt-get or aptitude running somewhere |
| 18:03.11 | greycat | eee_555: install it yourself before you give them the machine. |
| 18:03.52 | greycat | Hell, you already have to install this crazy openvpn-root-shit so why not just do the first rsync while you've already got the machine with you? |
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| 18:04.47 | mib_r4h51y0g | just started synaptic 1st time on clean system install |
| 18:05.16 | anoHito | is sarge still supported by debian official ? |
| 18:05.21 | greycat | anoHito: no |
| 18:05.22 | mib_r4h51y0g | and getting that error |
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| 18:05.31 | anoHito | oh |
| 18:05.34 | eee_555 | greycat: and i dont want to do a full rsync... with NFS-root it is transported only stuff wich is accessed and needed to boot... the first time.. the next time it should come from local cache and uses NFS-root only when needed |
| 18:05.42 | greycat | anoHito: only etch ("oldstable") and lenny at this time |
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| 18:06.10 | anoHito | greycat, may i know how long is last before stopping support etch ? |
| 18:06.31 | anoHito | before stop supporting etch, i mean,sorry english. |
| 18:06.34 | eee_555 | the rest of the system should be rsynced in the background.. this "should" be much faster than doing a full rsync at first boot |
| 18:06.37 | greycat | anoHito: I don't know if a date has been set yet. Usually it's "about a year after the release of the next version" at the discertion of the security team. |
| 18:06.48 | greycat | discretion* |
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| 18:07.25 | anoHito | I see. Thanks greycat , by the way, the problem of the high load has been found ,the HDD, i plan to replace it in few days. |
| 18:07.39 | stuckey | !compiz |
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| 18:08.00 | stuckey | Anyone know how to enable compiz in stable? |
| 18:08.45 | greycat | eee_555: I simply don't see why you think the root file system has to be booted remotely. If there's a hard drive and you've already installed stuff on it, just boot from that, let the user interface come up, and let it start upgrading itself in the background. |
| 18:09.35 | greycat | google says... compiz is a window manager. Right? |
| 18:09.44 | greycat | stuckey: did you try 'apt-cache search compiz' yet? |
| 18:09.47 | stuckey | No I mean the special effects... |
| 18:09.56 | stuckey | I just want to be able to invert the colours on my screen. |
| 18:10.00 | eee_555 | ^^ the concept uses boot-cd/usb, too... so there is no local installation.. only a place where the cache resists |
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| 18:10.08 | greycat | If you've got it installed, then read /usr/share/doc/compiz/* and whatever man pages it comes with. |
| 18:10.09 | stuckey | My eyes get tired of reading black text on white back grounds |
| 18:10.47 | greycat | stuckey: you mean like "xterm -rv"? |
| 18:10.52 | anoHito | by the way, would anyone suggest me a right file system for a web server ? apache with mysql , clients run php forums which are basied on mysql. |
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| 18:11.13 | dondelelcaro | anoHito: ext3 or similar. Doesn't really make much of a difference. |
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| 18:11.31 | anoHito | oh. |
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| 18:11.55 | valdyn | what makes people think they need to chose a fs |
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| 18:12.28 | greycat | Not enough scars yet. |
| 18:12.29 | anoHito | valdyn, For those who wants to have the best performance due to budgets and stuff. |
| 18:12.38 | pbn | Hi, it appears that libresolv-2.9.so segfaults in testing... Any of you experienced that ? |
| 18:12.45 | anoHito | valdyn, :) |
| 18:13.33 | dogmeat | which package provides libsocket ? |
| 18:13.43 | eee_555 | and i want control over the systems, too. so they should booted or checked if their local cache is in sync with the server. as the connection goes through vpn... there should be no local boot at all... just for fallback if the openvpn-connection is not existing... but then (as i hope to get done) without net-access.. all should go through the vpn |
| 18:13.51 | greycat | dogmeat: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 18:14.39 | dogmeat | not usefule |
| 18:14.41 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm not getting much compression from tar.bz2 - 1.4Gbs went down to 1.2Gbs - is that normal? |
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| 18:15.00 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: totally depends on the data you're compressing |
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| 18:16.42 | greycat | dogmeat: seems useful to me. |
| 18:17.12 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: mostly textfiles and jpg images |
| 18:17.27 | \amethyst | jpinx-eeepc: the text files will compress, but the jpgs will not |
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| 18:17.38 | \amethyst | jpinx-eeepc: since they're already compressed |
| 18:17.46 | zophy | where can i buy site licenses for debian ? |
| 18:17.48 | eee_555 | maybe i let this fallback-boot go, too... the os should just be booted, when a vpn-connection is established... i may have to use local encryption for the cache, too because of that and get a key from the vpn-connection... but this is in far future... fist it should boot through openvpn->nfs-root and with local cache |
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| 18:17.58 | jpinx-eeepc | \amethyst: what about .mp3/4 or .flv files? |
| 18:18.00 | anoHito | time to rush to bed ,good night/day guys. bye. |
| 18:18.00 | valdyn | zophy: nowhere |
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| 18:18.14 | \amethyst | zophy: you get unlimited licenses when you download it |
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| 18:18.49 | \amethyst | zophy: everything outside of non-free can be installed, modified, and redistributed as much as you want |
| 18:19.37 | \amethyst | zophy: http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 18:19.40 | dogmeat | the error i get while trying to configure from source is, 'checking for socket... no', 'checking for socket in -lsocket... no', 'configure: error: Couldn't find required function socket' |
| 18:19.52 | monkey_d_luffy_ | I have updated xorg and my graphic drivers with nvidia drivers. My problem is that my fonts are really small now, so I would assume it's something with xorg font paths. Any suggestions on what I can do? |
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| 18:20.01 | greycat | Subject to the distribution restrictions of the individual packages, e.g. some of them are GPLed and therefore you must distribute source code, etc. if you make modifications. |
| 18:20.27 | valdyn | .... if you distribute modifications |
| 18:20.31 | greycat | dogmeat: Debian does not have a separate libsocket, so your ./configure should fall back to just not using -lsocket. |
| 18:20.32 | zophy | \amethyst, great thanks |
| 18:20.54 | greycat | dogmeat: make sure you've installed build-essential |
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| 18:21.42 | \amethyst | dogmeat: socket() is in libc, so you should need just libc6-dev |
| 18:22.19 | greycat | build-essential will pull in libc6-dev of course |
| 18:22.24 | \amethyst | indeed |
| 18:22.54 | mmu_man | flaccid_ I believe a subversion-server (pseudo?) package with the choice of adding it to apache as https or with svn+ssh or plain svn, ... would still be useful |
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| 18:24.09 | eee_555 | ok... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CacheFS seems to be a good idea of it... thanks for the link |
| 18:24.25 | eee_555 | its just the question if this works with nfs-root, too |
| 18:25.26 | eee_555 | an da local loop-device instead a partition. loop-container should be placeable in a ntfs-partition, too and get mounted from there |
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| 18:27.48 | dogmeat | greycat, \amethyst ty |
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| 18:35.37 | davidfetter | hello |
| 18:35.52 | davidfetter | if somebody created a custom .deb, where would they likely put it? |
| 18:36.02 | greycat | "on the web" |
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| 18:41.42 | Xenguy | davidfetter: 'backports' is worth a look too |
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| 18:43.02 | JordiGH | !ops DreamWorLd |
| 18:43.06 | JordiGH | spammer |
| 18:43.25 | JordiGH | Hey, how can I monitor disk usage in a server? |
| 18:44.13 | JordiGH | My servers are experiencing periodical slowness, and top shows nothing, and they're probably not thrashing either, since free doesn't show a full swap. I'm thinking perhaps a disk I/O process is taking too long. |
| 18:44.29 | dkr | do you mean disk capacity over time, or disk i/o activity on the fly? |
| 18:44.38 | dkr | iostat |
| 18:44.40 | JordiGH | dkr: On the fly. Like top, but for disk, not CPU. |
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| 18:45.35 | greycat | JordiGH: iostat, sar |
| 18:45.35 | hark | there's iotop |
| 18:45.50 | JordiGH | Hm, not installed... |
| 18:45.53 | JordiGH | Sarge servers. :-/ |
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| 18:46.00 | dkr | acct can also give per proc info on i/o, but oyu likely have to install it |
| 18:46.04 | hark | or echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump ; tail -f /var/log/debug |
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| 18:47.13 | Assid | heya |
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| 18:47.41 | Assid | DreamWorLd: stop spamming |
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| 18:47.44 | davidfetter | Xenguy, thanks :) |
| 18:47.46 | Assid | can someone kick that guy |
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| 18:47.52 | Assid | sup davidfetter |
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| 18:48.00 | davidfetter | about to leave ;) |
| 18:48.09 | Assid | man.. |
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| 18:48.17 | Assid | people gte me |
| 18:48.19 | Assid | hate |
| 18:48.22 | Assid | err |
| 18:48.26 | Assid | any op around |
| 18:48.30 | Assid | DreamWorLd: is spamming |
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| 18:48.39 | stew | Assid: we know. working on it |
| 18:48.46 | stew | (but thanks) |
| 18:48.48 | JordiGH | dpkg, are you there? |
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| 18:48.51 | Assid | okie |
| 18:48.53 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 18:48.57 | JordiGH | K-lined, yay. |
| 18:48.59 | Assid | so anwyasy.. i got this dell 440SC |
| 18:49.04 | Assid | its got a hardware raid card |
| 18:49.13 | CelticSoul | can someone please help me with apt pin to install subversion-1.6 from experimental? I have tried Pin: release o=Debian, with priority 1001 but still it does not automatically resolve dependency |
| 18:49.16 | Assid | i just got permission to load up deb on that.. |
| 18:49.46 | greycat | Seems like it would be easier to compile svn tarballs than to mess with experimental apt pinning. |
| 18:50.07 | greycat | Maybe I'm weird. |
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| 18:50.40 | CelticSoul | compiling svn tarball still needs the dependency I think |
| 18:51.06 | greycat | It would need whatever the build-deps are, probably nothing more serious than libssl. |
| 18:51.35 | hallowname | where can i find information on 3d acceleration for my ati xpress 200m card? the default radeon doesnt want to accelerate... |
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| 19:00.03 | bookmark | does anyone know how to disable an interal speaker? |
| 19:00.06 | bookmark | er.. hi |
| 19:00.15 | bookmark | chmod /dev/ something |
| 19:00.34 | greycat | are you trying to stop the beeping? in X, man xset; in Linux console, man setterm |
| 19:00.58 | cahoot | or possibly in alsamixer |
| 19:01.28 | abrotman | still no bot eh? |
| 19:02.01 | abrotman | blacklist snd_pcsp |
| 19:02.05 | asg | apt: botsnack |
| 19:02.05 | apt | asg: aw, gee |
| 19:02.12 | bookmark | great thanks |
| 19:02.14 | faffi | ROFL |
| 19:02.31 | faffi | bookmark: xet b off |
| 19:02.32 | faffi | try that |
| 19:02.33 | asg | abrotman: old gimpy is still around |
| 19:02.36 | faffi | err |
| 19:02.40 | faffi | xset b off |
| 19:02.53 | abrotman | asg: yay .. for what he's worth |
| 19:02.56 | faffi | that should turn off console beeps, which are damned annoying |
| 19:03.20 | asg | abrotman: penixsmites and not much else |
| 19:04.11 | abrotman | ~kikismite asg |
| 19:04.14 | abrotman | :( |
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| 19:09.07 | tom44 | I'm trying to set up iptables, but the changes are lost after I restart. How can I make them permanent? |
| 19:09.27 | asg | tom44: man iptables-save ; man iptables-restore |
| 19:09.34 | tom44 | thank you |
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| 19:10.14 | linduxed | if i want the unallocated space to become a part of sda6... is there any easy way to do this? (and no its not my comp, its a rediculous partition table, i know) http://yfrog.com/0kscreenshotdevsdagpartedp |
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| 19:13.54 | module000 | linduxed: expand your extended part to include the free space, then sda6[inside the ext part] to encompass that space |
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| 19:16.30 | linduxed | module000: well... gparted refuses to let me resize the extended part |
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| 19:18.37 | Selveste1 | hey :) dos anybody know if the realtek ALC889A sound card is fully supported under lenny ? |
| 19:19.14 | abrotman | do you have a PCI ID ? |
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| 19:19.51 | zepho | hi, i'm trying to bring backtrack to a sd card, and the installation guide tells me to do 'swapon /dev/sdb2'; won't that tell my *current* system to use the swap space? and, would that be a problem when i remove the sd card? |
| 19:21.02 | Selveste1 | Now - caus its a matter aboute witch motherbord Im going to buy |
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| 19:22.31 | abrotman | Selveste1: google the mobo model and look for the pciid .. or tell us which model it is |
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| 19:23.54 | cahoot | Selveste1: ongoing work (patch delivered today for one aspect) http://www.spinics.net/lists/alsa-devel/msg23735.html |
| 19:23.57 | Selveste1 | it is this motherboard im thinking about - http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=3005&ProductName=GA-MA790FXT-UD5P |
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| 19:28.50 | monkey_d_luffy_ | I have updated xorg and now my fonts are really small, so I would assume it's something with xorg font paths. Any suggestions on what I can do? |
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| 19:42.32 | cemunal | if i don't install my screen driver; the screen is slided right; how can i fix it? |
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| 19:47.15 | greycat | dpkg: do you work now? |
| 19:47.16 | dpkg | reluctantly agrees to do you work now |
| 19:47.54 | abrotman | eh .. kind of |
| 19:48.12 | bolt | dpkg: ping |
| 19:48.12 | dpkg | bolt: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 19:48.33 | bolt | dpkg, ping is <reply> pong |
| 19:48.33 | dpkg | tolls a 5-meter-bell over is <reply> pong's head |
| 19:48.41 | abrotman | lovely |
| 19:48.42 | bolt | ... |
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| 19:49.47 | BePhantom | hi guys,i need some piece of advise |
| 19:50.05 | bolt | just ask :) |
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| 19:50.43 | BePhantom | i want to download debian lenny cd image because but there are 32 (!) cds |
| 19:50.55 | abrotman | BePhantom: do you have broadband? |
| 19:50.59 | hallowname | BePhantom: you cant netinstall? |
| 19:51.07 | bolt | BePhantom: you don't want every single available package. you'll have 10 of everything |
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| 19:51.12 | bolt | BePhantom: get the netinstall :) |
| 19:51.35 | BePhantom | i just want to install gnome desktop for my laptop |
| 19:51.38 | hallowname | http://www.debianhelp.org/node/15011 <- anyone here have a 200m card working w 3dness? pleezz |
| 19:51.42 | abrotman | BePhantom: do oyu ahve broadband or not ? |
| 19:51.48 | BePhantom | yes i do |
| 19:51.51 | abrotman | punches his keyboard |
| 19:51.55 | BePhantom | but im on wifi |
| 19:52.03 | BePhantom | does netinstall work with wifi? |
| 19:52.06 | abrotman | BePhantom: get the netinst .. it will pull the packages you need from your http sources |
| 19:52.08 | abrotman | BePhantom: which wifi? |
| 19:52.28 | bolt | finds it best to just plug in a cable during install. saves time and swearwords |
| 19:52.36 | BePhantom | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.40 | abrotman | what are you saving the swear words for? |
| 19:52.50 | abrotman | BePhantom: no, that wifi will not work with the installer as it is distributed |
| 19:53.04 | bolt | abrotman: people, mostly. they feel kind of wasted on inanimate objects |
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| 19:53.13 | BePhantom | so abrotman i have to wire it? |
| 19:53.24 | abrotman | BePhantom: you could get CD1 .. i believe that has parts of gnome on it |
| 19:53.27 | abrotman | !installer firmware |
| 19:53.28 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html , http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html and http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to |
| 19:53.55 | bolt | ..as opposed to animate objects, of course |
| 19:54.09 | BePhantom | will it work out of the box when i finish installing the system from a wired connection abrotman? |
| 19:54.34 | abrotman | BePhantom: usually .. still depends on your NIC |
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| 19:55.45 | BePhantom | abrotman, ok, will try, does lenny come with openoffice? |
| 19:55.50 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:55.56 | abrotman | judd: versions openoffice.org |
| 19:55.56 | judd | abrotman: openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1 squeeze: 1:3.0.1-9 lenny-backports: 1:3.0.1-11~bpo50+2 sid: 1:3.1.0-1 |
| 19:56.02 | abrotman | if you can read that :) |
| 19:56.09 | BePhantom | and are there restricted codecs? |
| 19:56.11 | greycat | it says "lenny has 2.4.1" |
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| 19:56.31 | abrotman | BePhantom: you can get them, but they're not in debian |
| 19:56.43 | BePhantom | abrotman, gstreamer ones? |
| 19:57.00 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:57.13 | BePhantom | one last question and i leave you in peace |
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| 19:57.31 | abrotman | in peace? |
| 19:57.32 | BePhantom | does gnome desktop install compiz? |
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| 19:57.43 | abrotman | uhm .. i think it uses metacity by default, but compiz is available |
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| 19:58.54 | BePhantom | abrotman, thank you very much for your patience |
| 19:59.09 | abrotman | BePhantom: FYI .. a lot of this info is on debian.org and packages.debian.org |
| 19:59.10 | abrotman | !ig |
| 19:59.10 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <installer firmware>. |
| 19:59.21 | hallowname | im trying to patch mesa with a .diff.gz so i can turn on 3d for my radeon driver. how do i apply a .diff.gz? one of you bored people must know ;p |
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| 19:59.47 | greycat | hallowname: gzip -dc | patch -pwhatever |
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| 20:00.02 | hallowname | greycat: flippn sweet. thanks a ton. |
| 20:00.14 | greycat | This presumes you know how to install an uncompressed .diff patch. |
| 20:00.29 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions virtualbox |
| 20:00.29 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: virtualbox -- |
| 20:00.31 | hallowname | greycat: yea i got that part down |
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| 20:00.47 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions vbox |
| 20:00.48 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: vbox -- |
| 20:00.57 | jpinx-eeepc | bleh |
| 20:01.04 | adb | virtualbox-ose |
| 20:01.14 | BePhantom | abrotman, if i select gnome desktop in netinst, does it install mozilla firefox? |
| 20:01.15 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: use apt-cache search ... locally to find the exact package names |
| 20:01.20 | X-TaZz | Hi here. I'm looking for an encrypted dns server system. Does it exists ? |
| 20:01.34 | greycat | X-TaZz: #dns might know |
| 20:01.37 | abrotman | BePhantom: it installs iceweasel |
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| 20:01.47 | X-TaZz | ty greeq |
| 20:01.49 | X-TaZz | greycat, |
| 20:01.50 | X-TaZz | :) |
| 20:01.50 | BePhantom | abrotman, oh ok |
| 20:01.55 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: ok |
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| 20:11.56 | hallowname | im getting "Can't exec "debian/rules": Permission denied" even as root. what am i doing wrong? |
| 20:12.09 | Supaplex | maybe it's not executable |
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| 20:12.34 | hallowname | Supaplex: its a deb src of the mesa package =/ ill check tho |
| 20:12.34 | greycat | or maybe it's on a file system with noexec or user mount options |
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| 20:12.43 | paxcoder | can anyone speculate why Earth3D shows nothing (only some dark blue-greenish background)? I can see the globe graphic just before i log out. |
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| 20:13.20 | Supaplex | paxcoder: the earth is flat, errr empty. yeah that's it. ;) |
| 20:13.26 | hallowname | Supaplex: it wasnt executable =? thx |
| 20:13.30 | hallowname | craziness... |
| 20:13.46 | paxcoder | Supaplex: o.O |
| 20:13.55 | greycat | Supaplex: they started the intergalactic bypass construction already? |
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| 20:14.15 | Supaplex | it's a regression from before Queen Iabella |
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| 20:15.27 | paxcoder | o.O |
| 20:15.32 | paxcoder | anyone? |
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| 20:15.41 | abrotman | bob! |
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| 20:16.25 | paxcoder | bob the builder? |
| 20:16.31 | Supaplex | kevin7kal: peers got ya down? |
| 20:16.33 | paxcoder | yeah. he can fix it. of course hi can. |
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| 20:17.54 | Supaplex | well. that's the last of the smoking hot ranch pringles. man those are hard to resist. |
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| 20:18.05 | LooieENG | hi, will this get the latest stuff using apt-get? -> deb http://fr.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib |
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| 20:20.40 | bolt | LooieENG: it will provide updated packages for lenny |
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| 20:21.01 | paxcoder | LooieENG: lenny is stable. Some time passes before packages become marked stable and get to lenny repository. Use testing for desktop. |
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| 20:21.19 | bolt | er. |
| 20:21.19 | LooieENG | so what do I put in sources.list? |
| 20:21.20 | greycat | I wouldn't use testing for _anything_. |
| 20:21.34 | LooieENG | to get unstable stuff so it's the latest version |
| 20:21.42 | paxcoder | greycat: then you'd be working on an old system. |
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| 20:21.52 | greycat | I'd either use stable or unstable. |
| 20:22.05 | bolt | paxcoder: i don't think it's a good idea to advice people to use testing right now. it's changing quite a lot |
| 20:22.09 | greycat | Testing is horrendous. If a problem exists in testing, it won't get fixed for weeks or months. |
| 20:22.10 | paxcoder | LooieENG: experimental is before unstable, if I'm not mistaken check web |
| 20:22.26 | Supaplex | let's fan the fire! |
| 20:22.37 | paxcoder | I have only one prob with testing right now. |
| 20:22.41 | LooieENG | I don't know what to put in sources.list though :/ source-o-matic doesn't work anymore |
| 20:22.53 | bolt | LooieENG: then you do not want unstable |
| 20:22.54 | paxcoder | NetworkManager applet doesn't show real status (says offline) |
| 20:22.55 | bolt | sigh |
| 20:23.16 | paxcoder | sigh somewhere else, please |
| 20:23.20 | paxcoder | just annoys ppl |
| 20:23.33 | bolt | and you don't? |
| 20:23.38 | LooieENG | bolt, I just want the most up-to-date stuff. I don't care if it isn't stable |
| 20:24.00 | bolt | LooieENG: fine. go ahead. don't expect to get work done... and do keep backups, please |
| 20:24.20 | paxcoder | bolt: I'm, for one, am trying to explain my thoughts. |
| 20:24.46 | bolt | paxcoder: not gonna take that discussion now |
| 20:24.49 | Supaplex | LooieENG: you want it for the protien? those new bugs taste funny. btw, we generally don't help people unbreak their setup when they're using testing/untable. |
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| 20:25.24 | paxcoder | bolt: o.O |
| 20:25.49 | paxcoder | Supaplex: "we"? |
| 20:25.59 | Supaplex | #debian |
| 20:26.02 | bolt | sigh |
| 20:26.03 | paxcoder | last time i checked, this was the right place to *test* Debian. |
| 20:26.33 | Supaplex | paxcoder: if they're soo noob they don't get <grounding> that'd be a no. "generally" lets us decide. |
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| 20:27.27 | paxcoder | grounding as a factoid? i don't see the connection. |
| 20:27.31 | Trewas | sheesh, it sometimes sounds like people are criminals for using testing/unstable... unless people use unstable and report bugs there, buggy packages go to testing, and if no-one uses testing and reports bugs the bugs will be in the next stable release |
| 20:27.39 | LooieENG | deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib <- should I change that to this to make it faster? -> deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib |
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| 20:27.55 | paxcoder | Trewas: Thank you. |
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| 20:28.15 | hallowname | which driver do i need for 3d support on an xpress 200m with debian sid? |
| 20:28.27 | Supaplex | paxcoder: if you're willing to help them, they're all yours. |
| 20:29.19 | paxcoder | Supaplex: sarcasm says you're right. (sarcasm) |
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| 20:29.38 | paxcoder | wah. |
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| 20:31.19 | _Lucretia_ | hi, i've got debian testing (updated to lenny and i'm not sure if it's still classed as testing or not :D) on this laptop (T42 with Radeon Mobility 7500 card). I've installed flash 10 plugin in my home but watching videos, the audio is really bad, not choppy but worse. can anyone advise? |
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| 20:32.07 | bolt | _Lucretia_: check your mixer, perhaps? try lowering PCM. often helps |
| 20:33.09 | _Lucretia_ | well, the volume control applet has a cross next to it, yet i'm in the group for using the audio device |
| 20:33.33 | bolt | alsa? |
| 20:33.55 | bolt | just try running alsamixer in the console. screw applets :) |
| 20:34.02 | _Lucretia_ | clicking on the "open volume control" it says "no volume control gstreamer/plugins found" |
| 20:34.53 | bolt | alsamixer |
| 20:35.21 | _Lucretia_ | getting nothing now |
| 20:35.32 | bolt | ? |
| 20:35.36 | _Lucretia_ | ah |
| 20:35.51 | _Lucretia_ | turned it off |
| 20:35.51 | _Lucretia_ | but it just alters the volume |
| 20:35.53 | _Lucretia_ | doesnt stop it stuttering |
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| 20:36.36 | bolt | oh. thought you meant it was bad quality sound |
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| 20:36.56 | magyar_ | hi, is there a repo for lenny that i can use to install icecube? |
| 20:37.03 | bolt | _Lucretia_: if it's stuttering, check stuff like cpu usage |
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| 20:37.40 | bolt | magyar_: apt-get.org will search through lots of repos for you. perhaps try there |
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| 20:39.13 | magyar_ | thanks bolt |
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| 20:41.17 | magyar_ | hmm, nothing there bolt |
| 20:41.52 | _Lucretia_ | bolt: nope, around 22% |
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| 20:43.47 | magyar_ | bahh, roundcube |
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| 20:46.45 | hallowname | can someone help me with my radeon xpress 200m card? drm gets disabled for no obvious reason... |
| 20:47.33 | _Lucretia_ | check the xorg.conf and see if there is a "666" in there anywhere |
| 20:47.44 | _Lucretia_ | think the section should be named "drm" |
| 20:47.49 | _Lucretia_ | or dri |
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| 20:48.09 | _Lucretia_ | is no expert |
| 20:49.21 | durt | Hey folks, can any one quickly tell me what to add to xorg.conf to get scroll tilt left and right working on a logitech mouse? |
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| 20:49.54 | Zinda | hello there |
| 20:50.20 | greycat | _Lucretia_: hallowname: in Debian I think you want to add the desktop user to the "video" group instead of changing device permissions. |
| 20:51.07 | greycat | _Lucretia_: hallowname: e.g. /dev/dri/card0 on one of my boxes is owned by root:video with 660 perms. |
| 20:51.24 | hallowname | solved. i needed the firmware-linux package which is in non-free... hidden away like. |
| 20:51.39 | hallowname | greycat: _Lucretia_: thank you tho |
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| 20:54.43 | _Lucretia_ | k |
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| 21:00.26 | Piet | when using a vpn connection to connect to a remote network (vpn client), can i make dns requests both against my local and against the remote dns servers and somehow merge the results? |
| 21:00.35 | Piet | and preferrably all that without customizing my local dns server or installing another? |
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| 21:00.43 | nik_ | hello |
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| 21:01.21 | nik_ | when i try to access me ntfs volums with debian/squeeze i egt this: Cannot get volume.fstype.alternative |
| 21:01.29 | nik_ | can you help me plz? |
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| 21:02.33 | nik_ | ? |
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| 21:03.37 | Piet | nik_: how did you try to mount it? |
| 21:03.52 | Piet | which user and which command line? |
| 21:04.00 | indigenous | Flash on lenny for me isnt working, and it says the version i have installed is 1:10.0.22.87-0.1 |
| 21:04.04 | nik_ | now i try to access it through gnome from locations |
| 21:04.11 | indigenous | that isn't right is it? |
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| 21:06.06 | nik_ | Piet: please help me out! |
| 21:06.26 | indigenous | wait that is the latest version.. But i still don't know why its not working.. Maybe another reboot.. |
| 21:07.08 | Piet | nik_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntfs-3g/+bug/300443/comments/10 |
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| 21:07.48 | Piet | nik_: if this is too complicated, then just mount the device using xtern + sudo mount /foo /bar |
| 21:07.54 | galen | how does debian handle networking? i have had ongoing issues with it.... |
| 21:08.04 | galen | i have a nic. it gets a link. but i dont know how to make everyhting behave... |
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| 21:08.34 | ballessay | hi |
| 21:08.37 | nik_ | Piet: mount /dev/sda1 /dev/Vista wont work? |
| 21:08.56 | ballessay | nik_: ntfs? |
| 21:09.00 | nik_ | yes |
| 21:09.07 | nik_ | all otehrs volusm are ntfs |
| 21:09.08 | Piet | galen: networks are configured in /etc/network/interfces, routes are set using the "route" or "ip" command if you need to set any |
| 21:09.23 | nik_ | with ubuntu i accessed them without even giove mount |
| 21:09.37 | nik_ | now since gnome show them in locations why wont let me access them? |
| 21:09.47 | Piet | nik_: no, since you must not mount into the /dev file system. mount to /mnt/vista instead, and create the directory if it does not exist |
| 21:09.48 | nik_ | i mean it see them anyways |
| 21:10.01 | ballessay | nik_: mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/YOUR_EXISTING_DIRECTORY |
| 21:11.00 | Piet | it's a bug in hal, you would run into the same issue with ubuntu. the bug tracker reference i provided is actually that of an ubuntu bug report |
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| 21:11.16 | nik_ | dell:/home/nik# mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/vista/ |
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| 21:11.37 | nik_ | i agve this and not when i i try through file manager it shows to me folder vista with an X |
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| 21:12.13 | ballessay | nik_: becaus its only "browsable" for root? |
| 21:12.22 | Piet | galen, and the nameservers are defined in /etc/resolv.conf (unless you have the resolvconf package installed) |
| 21:12.32 | galen | Piet: i have a nice entry for eth0 (allow-hotplug eth0; iface eth0 inet dhcp) but it isn't grabbing a DHCP IP |
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| 21:12.48 | nik_ | ballessay: i see but i cant connect graphially as root so to see the drive visually |
| 21:13.18 | Piet | galen: do you have a dhcp client installed? |
| 21:13.25 | ballessay | nik_: than enter the directory per console? |
| 21:13.29 | galen | Piet: somehow DHCP was working, so i assume yes |
| 21:13.44 | galen | there's no other way i'd get a DHCP-assigned IP I assume |
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| 21:14.02 | nik_ | ballessay: i need to select/copy lots of files from one partition to another i need to see them visually |
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| 21:14.13 | Piet | galen: so what exactly does not work? |
| 21:14.18 | nik_ | with cp it will take lot of time |
| 21:14.22 | galen | well, i rebooted and... no more DHCP IP |
| 21:14.23 | bookmark | hi, is there some way to tell what gcc version compiled my kernel? |
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| 21:14.30 | nik_ | best is to see mounted drives in desktop |
| 21:14.51 | galen | if i fiddle with things, i'll get a DHCP IP, but somehow, no connectivity for GUI applications (e.g. your firefox clone, etc.) |
| 21:14.55 | galen | but ping, etc. works |
| 21:15.00 | galen | it's very weird and maddening |
| 21:15.28 | Piet | galen: so you say dhcp is not working now. see what happens if you do /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 21:15.46 | Piet | galen: it should dhcp broadcast again and you should see that an ip address is assigned to your NIC |
| 21:16.10 | nik_ | nik@dell:~$ sudo ls /media/vista/ |
| 21:16.12 | galen | Piet: now i have no more eth0 |
| 21:16.21 | Piet | also, if you say you can already ping then you probably did get an ip address assigned via dhcp |
| 21:16.22 | nik_ | nik is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 21:16.55 | Piet | galen: run ifconfig -a to see what you have |
| 21:17.16 | ballessay | nik_: this is not ubuntu :-) |
| 21:17.19 | galen | hmm, ok, it's still there, but not getting an IP or anything |
| 21:17.45 | adoom422 | hey guys, is there a way to list the packages which need security-related updates along with the DSA #? |
| 21:17.46 | nik_ | i know :) but i would like to do this under my user account and not open 2 conosles one from root and one for nik |
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| 21:17.59 | Piet | nik_: mount -t ntfs3g -o user /dev/sda1 /media/vista/ |
| 21:18.01 | adoom422 | in red hat you can do 'yum list-security' |
| 21:18.06 | nik_ | i gather i should add my self to sudoers file? |
| 21:18.11 | Piet | nik_: sudo mount -t ntfs3g -o user /dev/sda1 /media/vista/ |
| 21:18.41 | Piet | nik_: either that, or run it as root |
| 21:19.03 | nik_ | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs3g' |
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| 21:19.15 | nik_ | Piet: how can i add my self to sudoers file? |
| 21:19.53 | Piet | adoom422: yum is not a debian package management tool. |
| 21:20.03 | Piet | nik_: su - |
| 21:20.27 | xub | hi everyone, let's start off with a simple question :P |
| 21:20.27 | nik_ | what does that do? |
| 21:20.29 | Piet | nik_: then: visudo |
| 21:20.30 | Piet | adoom422: install debsecan |
| 21:20.32 | xub | how do I see what my path to my USB stick is (like... /dev/hda or /dev/sda?) |
| 21:20.37 | galen | Piet: an ideas on what might make things begin to behave? i generally assume wired ethernet connectivity is a no-brainer, esp. for a fresh out of box install that was netinstalled for gosh sake |
| 21:20.40 | adoom422 | Piet: I know that. I mentioned how it's possible with redhat |
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| 21:21.33 | Piet | adoom422: also, DSA references are normally listed in packages' Debian.NEWS files, so if you install apt-listchanges you shoudl get to see the DSA references when (and beofre) running an upgrade |
| 21:21.42 | xub | jeesh, not a simple question after all hehe ;p |
| 21:22.39 | nik_ | 'su -' stands for 'su root' ? |
| 21:22.49 | Piet | xub: cat /proc/partitions lists all partitions known to linux |
| 21:22.52 | adoom422 | Piet: thanks. I'm writing a cron job to query our servers and see which security updates they need. listing the package and DSA with one command would be nice. redhat and even gentoo let you do it easily |
| 21:22.58 | Piet | nik_: yes |
| 21:23.34 | nik_ | and how may i add user 'nik' as a sudoer please? |
| 21:23.48 | nik_ | i have visudo in front of me |
| 21:24.33 | Piet | galen: i haven't seen any error messages or exact description of what does not work, so it's difficult to help. |
| 21:24.40 | ballessay | nik_: look in /etc/sudoers |
| 21:25.01 | ballessay | nik_: or better do a "man sudoers" on console |
| 21:25.07 | galen | Piet: Neither have I. I just get... nothing. I have eth0. NetworkManager says no connection. |
| 21:25.22 | xub | piet: thanx, but still i don't really see where my USB stick is, is there let's say, a more user-friendly way to achieve that? |
| 21:25.26 | Piet | adoom422: i think apticron + apt-changes will do this |
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| 21:25.42 | galen | Piet: since restarting network, the link lights on the NIC are not even activating |
| 21:25.55 | Piet | galen: if you want it more verbose, use debsecan as explained above |
| 21:26.05 | g00se | xub: try find /dev/disk See what light it throws on the subject |
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| 21:26.19 | Piet | galen: soory, this was going to adoom422 |
| 21:26.38 | Piet | adoom422: if you want it more verbose, use debsecan as explained above |
| 21:26.41 | nik_ | ballessay: pleasse tell me because its late just installed debian adn ic ant read all the help file at the moment |
| 21:26.47 | galen | Piet: i think i am just going to throw another NIC in there, as I am about to upgrade the kernel anyhow |
| 21:27.02 | Piet | galen: you said you could ping |
| 21:27.20 | galen | yes, i could, before the last reboot after i toyed with the GUI a while |
| 21:27.25 | ballessay | nik_: just look in /etc/sudoers there should be an example entry for root |
| 21:27.26 | Piet | galen: i would not rely on network manager too much at this point |
| 21:27.46 | nik_ | yes there is pertainign to User privilege specification |
| 21:27.55 | nik_ | add another same line as nik ? |
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| 21:28.51 | galen | Piet: agreed. i will re-visit this issue if this new PCI card doesn't work properly. totally different chipset. |
| 21:29.20 | xub | g00se: did that, but when i tried the 'ls' command, it gave me folders inside that didn't match my 4GB stick, meanwhile i mounted my stick and set the file manager location selector to 'toolbar style'. ie: now i can see that the path to my stick is: /media/disk |
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| 21:29.22 | nik_ | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 21:29.22 | nik_ | nik ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 21:29.38 | nik_ | i have it like this but still i cant ls /media/vista/ as 'nik' |
| 21:29.48 | xub | g00se: but, i've heard that it's the mounting directory and not the real name of the stick :S |
| 21:30.22 | ballessay | nik_: because you have to do this like "sudo ls XYZ" |
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| 21:30.45 | Piet | galen: pastebin the output of this (run as root): ifconfig -a; ls -lah /etc/resolv.conf; ping -c3 194.109.137.218; ping -c3 debian.org; cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:30.49 | g00se | xub: The 'name' of the stick is at best its uid. That's why i gave you that command. You can mount by uid |
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| 21:31.07 | g00se | xub: man mount |
| 21:32.08 | xub | ah k, trying.. |
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| 21:33.09 | nik_ | ballessay: a yes :) |
| 21:33.24 | nik_ | nopw it works! now i can work system wide changes as root right? |
| 21:33.26 | xub | g00se: it gives me some sort of a manual for MOUNT(8) |
| 21:33.43 | xub | and my guess is i should read it ;p |
| 21:33.44 | enouf | heh |
| 21:33.54 | ballessay | nik_: yes, but you could have done this with "su" too |
| 21:33.55 | nik_ | nopw it works! now i can work system wide changes with from nik using sudo just like as root right? |
| 21:34.33 | g00se | xub: Your guesses seem rather good |
| 21:34.41 | ballessay | nik_: the only differnce is sudo wants your user-password and su the root-password |
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| 21:34.51 | Decepticon | how can i get wget to download something with multiple threads? |
| 21:34.58 | g00se | xub: e.g. this is the command i use to mount my mp3 player: |
| 21:35.03 | g00se | sudo mount -t vfat -o uid=goose,gid=adm -U 1234-5678 /mnt/mp3 |
| 21:35.13 | xub | wow |
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| 21:35.29 | xub | do you like, copy&paste it or do you have it memorized? :P |
| 21:35.32 | g00se | xub: That way, it doesn't matter what dark crevice i insert it into |
| 21:35.42 | nik_ | ballessay: i see |
| 21:35.54 | Martin2 | hello there |
| 21:35.55 | galen | Piet: a new NIC solved the problem, at least for now. I will finish the rest of my system fighting before I try and make the regular NIC work. |
| 21:36.05 | nik_ | one more thing: is there a difference between 'su' and 'su -' when i type them as user nik / |
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| 21:36.10 | frog_ | hi, i have an iso, that i can mount but there are no files in it. it is 630 mb . is there any way to repair it or something? |
| 21:36.13 | ballessay | nik_: nice, have fun... |
| 21:36.32 | nik_ | please just that |
| 21:36.44 | nik_ | this is confusign me |
| 21:36.52 | nik_ | thats whay i ask it. |
| 21:37.02 | Martin2 | Give me a hint please, I got wine and want to start a programm. I fixed an NTLM error, but still get a "LookupAccountNameW" error, which I cannot solve. |
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| 21:37.22 | Piet | galen: good luck |
| 21:37.29 | xub | g00se: so basically what i should do is mount -t type device dir |
| 21:37.47 | galen | Piet: do you know how to get the newer kernels to show up in the repository? |
| 21:37.55 | xub | now i kinda understand what device and dir is, but, what's a type? |
| 21:38.07 | Piet | nik_: man 8 su |
| 21:38.28 | g00se | xub: The type of file system |
| 21:38.37 | mfdavid | hi all. Im trying to install debian on a computer with no cdrom, flooply or HD (a thin client). I followed the install procress for installation from USB pendrive, but whn I boot the system, it freezes at "GRUB" and stops there. Any tips? |
| 21:38.44 | Piet | galen: how new would you like them to be? |
| 21:38.52 | nik_ | ok i will and also then please tell me now that iam a sudoer how can i see mounted drives in gnome on desktop |
| 21:39.10 | Piet | galen: and which debian release are you running? |
| 21:39.13 | nik_ | i mean iam a sudoer but when i access the volumes graphically i still get an error |
| 21:39.53 | xub | g00se: thanks for the reading material, i'm gonna see what i can come up with :) |
| 21:40.04 | Piet | mfdavid: so what is debian supposed to boot from? usb or network? |
| 21:40.13 | mfdavid | mfdavid: usb |
| 21:40.20 | galen | Piet: unstable, downloaded netinstall today. I want to get up to 2.6.28 or 2.6.29... actually, i want 2.6.30, but that's another story |
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| 21:41.10 | g00se | http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html |
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| 21:41.25 | g00se | mfdavid: Try syslinux bootloader for usb^ |
| 21:41.31 | \amethyst | nik_: if you right click on it, do you get an "Open as administrator" menu item? |
| 21:41.58 | mfdavid | g00se: i ll check it ou.t thanks |
| 21:42.35 | nik_ | \amethyst: iam afraid not |
| 21:42.50 | \amethyst | nik_: install nautilus-gksu and try it |
| 21:43.05 | nik_ | why it cant mount it although iam a sudoer now? |
| 21:43.17 | \amethyst | nik_: because it doesn't know to use sudo to mount it |
| 21:43.34 | Piet | mfdavid: so soemthing is wrong with your grub.conf i'd think. boot from a recovery media (a second usb key stick in your case, i'd assume) and run update-grub, then grub-install --recheck /dev/yourusbkeystick; then verify /boot/grub/deivce.map is correct and run grub-install again |
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| 21:44.10 | mfdavid | Piet: right |
| 21:44.33 | nik_ | \amethyst: i see ys your are right in comsole i give it manually that why it does it |
| 21:44.55 | nik_ | in graphically env it must give me an option if i want to run it as root |
| 21:45.00 | Piet | galen: if you installed unstable then you should already have 2.6.29 |
| 21:45.23 | Piet | galen: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image |
| 21:45.25 | galen | Piet: I grabbed the netinstall for unstable and I got 2.6.26. I was quite surprised... |
| 21:46.06 | nik_ | \amethyst: iam in gnome now right? nautilus is the file manager of gnome? what file manager it has now? |
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| 21:46.31 | Piet | galen: ok, it's possible the installer installs something old. so do this: aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-YOURARCHITECTURE |
| 21:46.59 | \amethyst | nik_: nautilus is gnome's file manager. nautilus-gksu is an extension that adds 'Open as administrator' using gksu (a frontend to su and sudo) |
| 21:47.22 | galen | Nothing. |
| 21:47.38 | galen | Piet: it runs and nothing is updated. |
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| 21:47.50 | nik_ | i see! okey i have apt-get it |
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| 21:48.12 | Piet | galen: dpkg -l linux-image-2.6-\*|grep linux-image |
| 21:48.41 | nik_ | but when i rigth clicks nothign still hapens |
| 21:48.50 | nik_ | logout first perhaps? |
| 21:48.58 | \amethyst | nik_: yeah, probably |
| 21:49.16 | nik_ | okey |
| 21:49.20 | nik_ | ctrl-alt-backspace ? |
| 21:49.27 | nik_ | ot menu->logout ? |
| 21:49.57 | galen | Piet: http://pastebin.com/m614bc223 |
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| 21:51.48 | Piet | galen: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:51.57 | Piet | galen: you seem to be on debian stable |
| 21:52.06 | galen | squeeze/sid |
| 21:52.23 | Martin2 | Give me a hint please, I got wine and want to start a programm. I fixed an NTLM error, but still get a "LookupAccountNameW" error, which I cannot solve. |
| 21:52.25 | galen | Piet: I don't know how. I downloaded and burned debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso just roday |
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| 21:52.54 | nik_ | it didtn work amethyst |
| 21:53.04 | nik_ | i logged out and in and noe xtra option |
| 21:53.29 | Piet | galen: ok, so you're on unstable, sorry my bad |
| 21:53.58 | galen | Piet: Any idea what the heck is going on? |
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| 21:54.01 | nik_ | guys please tell em how can i access my ntfs volumes graphically |
| 21:54.03 | kornholi | testing != unstable |
| 21:54.08 | Piet | galen: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please |
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| 21:55.12 | Piet | galen: as kornholi just mentioned, you're not on unstable but on testing. |
| 21:55.12 | galen | Piet: http://pastebin.com/d7ec29cfe |
| 21:55.29 | galen | Piet: Either I need to upgrade to unstable or I need to go re-install. Votes? |
| 21:55.32 | nik_ | come on only this an iam gone please |
| 21:55.37 | nik_ | i cant access my drives! |
| 21:55.43 | nik_ | just switched from ubuntu to debian |
| 21:55.51 | Piet | galen: right, squeeze is testing, not unstable |
| 21:56.10 | galen | Piet: can I upgrade? or shall i re-install? |
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| 21:57.03 | nik_ | pleaaaase |
| 21:57.16 | adb | galen: what you need from unstable ? |
| 21:57.36 | galen | adb: bleeding edge kernel testing for wireless / networking stuff |
| 21:58.38 | adb | so install it |
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| 21:59.37 | Piet | galen: do you want to run specific tests, or just get your wireless to work? |
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| 21:59.48 | galen | Piet: specific tests. |
| 22:00.12 | galen | FYI, I have been reading and it appears that the ethernet chipset i have on my mobo has issues with this particular kernel... so i'm not going crazy |
| 22:00.18 | galen | but that's neither here nor there |
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| 22:01.32 | eptalon | heyas |
| 22:01.57 | Piet | galen: want me to double-check which kernel you need? |
| 22:02.22 | Piet | galen: if so, run this: lspci |grep Ethernet |
| 22:02.43 | eptalon | I do have a small problem with printing; printer does prostscript: hp laserjet 5m, and is set to do "A4", but when I print from firefox, it asks me to load letter? |
| 22:02.50 | eptalon | where do I change that? |
| 22:02.56 | galen | Piet: it doesn't matter for the onboard ethernet. I am primarily using this as a testing box. For the wireless, that's my goal, and I need at least 2.6.28, preferably newer, per one of the kernel maintainers... |
| 22:03.20 | eptalon | galen: 2.6.28 confirmed working in sid. |
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| 22:03.31 | galen | Piet: can i change my repositories and upgrade to unstable? or do i need to re-install? |
| 22:03.40 | galen | sorry, i have spent too much time in centos/rpm land... |
| 22:03.58 | Piet | galen: ok, so if you're just testing and this isn't going to be a production box, then upgrade to unstable |
| 22:04.07 | eptalon | galen: you can change repositories, and upgrade, but there is no way back (means reinstall) |
| 22:04.17 | Piet | galen: to do so, change the repositories |
| 22:04.49 | galen | eptalon: yeah, this is testing... that's all.. |
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| 22:05.18 | tvasht | hey for some reason i cant use tm_gmtoff and tm_zone |
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| 22:06.05 | phantomcircuit | im having trouble burning a dvd |
| 22:06.17 | phantomcircuit | it's not recognizing the blank disk |
| 22:06.24 | phantomcircuit | i keep getting spin up then down |
| 22:06.30 | phantomcircuit | cycling between them |
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| 22:07.15 | eptalon | phantomcircuit: 1) what do oyu use to burn the disk 2) is the drive confirmed working (can it read cds)? |
| 22:07.25 | tvasht | http://www.daemon-systems.org/man/ctime.3.html <---- says tm_gmtoff and tm_zone will only work if arrangements were made. what are those arrangements? can someone help? |
| 22:07.25 | galen | Piet: away we go! 500-something MB downloading |
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| 22:07.34 | phantomcircuit | i burned another DVD with the drive earlier today and it confirmed |
| 22:07.36 | InvaderNOP | Bug #503089 needs some attention. slabtop deficiency. |
| 22:07.38 | phantomcircuit | wtf |
| 22:07.38 | Polarina | phantomcircuit: Does your drive support DVD±R writing? |
| 22:07.40 | phantomcircuit | OH |
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| 22:07.52 | phantomcircuit | i know stupid vmware had some sort of lock on the drive |
| 22:08.02 | phantomcircuit | i killed the vmware kernel modules and it works now |
| 22:08.13 | adb | galen: i use 2.6.28 on lenny , so install it in testing ,, no any needs for upgrade |
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| 22:08.46 | eptalon | is a 2.6.29-working out yet? |
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| 22:08.55 | adb | sure |
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| 22:09.24 | eptalon | adb: the one in debian dies on wanting to install some modules for the network card. |
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| 22:09.39 | eptalon | at least did so a few days ago. |
| 22:09.48 | Piet | galen: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html |
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| 22:10.11 | Piet | galen: this explains the complete upgrade process |
| 22:11.01 | galen | Piet: Hmm... I didn't quite do all those steps, but it seems to be happily upgrading right now. I guess we'll see. |
| 22:11.03 | Piet | galen: if you prefer to go this way, you can still cancel your running upgrade while the packages are downloading |
| 22:11.13 | nik_ | Piet: i chown -R nik:nik /media/vista/ |
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| 22:11.45 | galen | Piet: the downloads had already finished. |
| 22:11.47 | nik_ | and now i can access them graphically |
| 22:12.01 | nik_ | but when i try to write soemthign i get an error why? |
| 22:12.01 | galen | If this fails, i'll simply get the unstable netinstall |
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| 22:12.39 | Piet | nik_: have you moiunted with -o user, as i suggested? |
| 22:12.40 | eptalon | nik_: there is owner and file/dir privs |
| 22:13.26 | nik_ | Piet: no i frogtot hat option i mountes actually without specifiying any options |
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| 22:13.34 | nik_ | not even the filesystem but ti autodetected it |
| 22:13.34 | jaggz- | What's a " Domain validated SSL certificates capable of 256-bit encryption and issued within minutes *" ?? My usual ssl cert (from thawte.com) is IP and domain based I believe... ? |
| 22:13.37 | jpinx-eeepc | how do I background a process without stopping it? |
| 22:13.54 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: ^Z, then bg it |
| 22:13.59 | adb | galen: GAH , unstable netinstall does'n't exist |
| 22:14.09 | nik_ | eptalon: what do you mean |
| 22:14.11 | galen | adb: ok, then i'll get an ISO |
| 22:14.17 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: if you haven't started it, ( fooproc >/dev/null 2>&1 & ) |
| 22:14.19 | jaggz- | jpinx, that's a good question.. I often wondered about that -- is there some reason a process cannot be bg'ed without the delay? |
| 22:14.26 | nik_ | if i be owner of a device why shouldt just as easily write to it? |
| 22:14.32 | adb | galen: does'n't exist too |
| 22:15.03 | jpinx-eeepc | bugger - that pauses the process before backgrounding it |
| 22:15.33 | jpinx-eeepc | and basically breaks it:( - stuff like rsync or whatever |
| 22:15.57 | Piet | nik_: you're not owner of the device, you're just owning the files and directories on it |
| 22:16.20 | jpinx-eeepc | dondelelcaro: is there not a better way? |
| 22:16.22 | \amethyst | because mounting hides the directory that is mounted over |
| 22:16.44 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: the way I gave you is the way you fork something off if you never want to see it again |
| 22:16.53 | dondelelcaro | has a command called faf that does it for himself |
| 22:17.00 | \amethyst | and the mount() system call requires root privileges (mount is suid root to support the 'user' mount option) |
| 22:17.15 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/bin/faf |
| 22:17.42 | nik_ | Piet: then if i own the fiels and dirs in it why deluge can write the torrent data into it? |
| 22:17.45 | nik_ | after all i did |
| 22:17.46 | jpinx-eeepc | dondelelcaro: yea - ok - but if I fg a process and then want to bg it again without pausing it? |
| 22:17.56 | nik_ | sudo chown -R nik:nik /media/movies/ |
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| 22:18.11 | nik_ | i should be able to read/write anythign now no? |
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| 22:18.40 | Piet | jpinx-eeepc: i never tried but you should be able to background an already running process by passind it's process ID to bg |
| 22:18.54 | jpinx-eeepc | dondelelcaro: nice sript - thanks - but can I fg the process after doing that? |
| 22:19.07 | nik_ | ok iam confuses see what i did |
| 22:19.08 | nik_ | nik@dell:~$ sudo mount -o user /dev/sdb2 /media/movies/ |
| 22:19.09 | nik_ | nik@dell:~$ sudo chown -R nik:nik /media/movies/ |
| 22:19.14 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: no. If you want to use job control, things will stop if they try to read or write to the terminal |
| 22:19.16 | jpinx-eeepc | Piet: Ah - ok let'see ;) |
| 22:19.28 | nik_ | those 2 commands an i stillc ant write to /media/movies/ |
| 22:20.19 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: if the processes can't handle SIGTTIN/SIGTTOUT, etc, then they'll have issues. |
| 22:20.33 | jpinx-eeepc | Piet: not really because when you fg a process you only see the name - not the ID |
| 22:20.44 | nik_ | nik@dell:~$ sudo cp test /media/movies/ |
| 22:20.46 | nik_ | cp: cannot create regular file |
| 22:20.51 | nik_ | why?1?! |
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| 22:21.03 | Piet | jpinx-eeepc: run ps |
| 22:21.32 | jpinx-eeepc | piet - kind of defeats the "simple" fix having to open another terminal |
| 22:21.43 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: This is another reason to befriend screen too, depending on what you want exactly. (haven't read it all) |
| 22:22.12 | dondelelcaro | yeah... job control is not a replacement for screen |
| 22:22.25 | dondelelcaro | (it's very, very limited) |
| 22:22.30 | Piet | jpinx-eeepc: i didn't see you saying that you wanted a 'simple fix' |
| 22:22.32 | jpinx-eeepc | dondelelcaro: if a process can be bg's at startup with & and can be fg'd - surely it can be bg's again? |
| 22:22.41 | nik_ | someone please tell me |
| 22:22.53 | jpinx-eeepc | piet ;) doesn't everyone ? |
| 22:23.00 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: by ^Z or ^Y, sure. |
| 22:23.16 | Piet | jpinx-eeepc: not at all. |
| 22:23.28 | galen | Piet: woooo, i believe i am unstable (in more senses than one, hahaha) |
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| 22:24.05 | Piet | galen: better get a walking stick |
| 22:24.19 | galen | i was more thinking of a nice, white jacket |
| 22:24.24 | galen | in a nice, padded room |
| 22:24.58 | Piet | galen: sorry, that's not covered by your health insurance |
| 22:25.03 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: dondelelcaro ok - I give in - I'll read up screen - thanks ;) |
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| 22:25.45 | Piet | galen: so you're on 2.6.29 now? |
| 22:25.50 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: with regards to processes though, if a process can't handle being suspended with ^Z, it's going to fail randomly when it gets backgrounded, too. |
| 22:25.56 | nik_ | will someone please tell me what si happening? |
| 22:26.10 | nik_ | i just wwant to see mounted drives on my desktop as user nik thats all! |
| 22:26.12 | nik_ | an iam gone |
| 22:26.16 | dondelelcaro | nik_: you aren't mounting that device with the right permissions. changing the mountpoint isn't how you do it. |
| 22:26.20 | galen | Piet: yes |
| 22:26.29 | dondelelcaro | nik_: edit /etc/fstab, add the entry, include the users option, then mount the device as your user. |
| 22:27.07 | Piet | galen: okay, then i can take a shower ;-) |
| 22:27.28 | galen | Piet: next i will stab at kernel compiling. perhaps i will call the hospital now... |
| 22:27.36 | nik_ | its ok to add this in fstab? /dev/hdbs /mnt/movies ntfs auto,ro,umask=0222 0 0 |
| 22:27.41 | nik_ | is it correct? |
| 22:28.25 | nik_ | s/hdbs/hdb2/ |
| 22:28.26 | dondelelcaro | hdbs isn't right, and you'll certainly want user in there. |
| 22:28.47 | dondelelcaro | nik_: man 5 fstab; and man mount; for details. |
| 22:28.49 | nik_ | ro = read only? |
| 22:28.59 | nik_ | i want read write actually not just read |
| 22:29.10 | Piet | galen: if you want even newer kernel packages, there's development packages, but those can be faulty. |
| 22:29.20 | galen | Piet: where are the development packages? |
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| 22:30.19 | nik_ | dondelelcaro: please just give me the line to add so ill make it work |
| 22:30.24 | Piet | galen: deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel sid main |
| 22:30.25 | Piet | more info at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
| 22:30.36 | nik_ | /dev/hdb2 /mnt/movies ntfs auto,user |
| 22:30.42 | nik_ | will this work? |
| 22:30.45 | Piet | baaaad service dondelelcaro |
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| 22:31.12 | ballessay | hey guys, anyone here who played around with preempt_rt enabled kernel or know a better channel to ask? |
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| 22:32.03 | enouf | http://ntfs-3g.org/manual.html nik_ |
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| 22:32.19 | enouf | nik_: if you require rw access |
| 22:32.31 | nik_ | enouf: i aheb apt-get nautilus-gsku |
| 22:32.48 | enouf | nik_: i never use gui for these kind of things |
| 22:33.03 | enouf | nik_: you might want to just try plain gksu, gksudo |
| 22:33.08 | nik_ | i liek to understand ti manually as well |
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| 22:33.38 | enouf | !gnome-volume-manager |
| 22:33.39 | dpkg | i guess gnome-volume-manager is a package for gnome users that will automount removable volumes. aptitude install gnome-volume-manager pmount ; adduser username plugdev ; you will have to log out and back in before it works |
| 22:33.42 | nik_ | when i give mount /foo /bar istn it automatically as me rw support? |
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| 22:34.08 | tag | Is there a way to find the previously submitted package on packages.debian.org ? |
| 22:34.09 | enouf | nik_: ntfs is a weird bird, doesn't understand nix perms |
| 22:34.24 | enouf | nik_: i only deal with vfat - and very rarely |
| 22:34.32 | tag | I really want git 1.6.3 but I can't get a complete build of it (only 1.6.3-1 is available on git-core, and only 1.6.3.1 is available for git-svn... |
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| 22:34.40 | galen | Piet: is deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel trunk main what i'd like for 2.6.30? |
| 22:34.45 | nik_ | i have to use mount -o user |
| 22:34.53 | nik_ | -o user gives me rw access to ntfs? |
| 22:34.58 | enouf | nik_: (FWIW, vfat also doesn't understand nix perms) |
| 22:34.59 | galen | oh, duh, hahaha |
| 22:35.14 | enouf | nik_: no, fuser+ntfs-3g can |
| 22:35.21 | enouf | erm fuse |
| 22:35.26 | enouf | !fuse |
| 22:35.27 | dpkg | from memory, fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, Samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in Debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace |
| 22:35.33 | nik_ | ok now |
| 22:35.35 | eptalon | did I miss something? |
| 22:35.35 | jaggz- | I enjoy KDE. |
| 22:35.41 | tag | this is just agitating as hell |
| 22:35.47 | Piet | galen: i think it only contains newer 2.6.29 builds at this time, no 2.6.30rc's |
| 22:36.10 | nik_ | i will apt get this: apt-get install gnome-volume-manager pmount |
| 22:36.12 | jaggz- | the window management, setting on-top, above others, and even overriding/forcing window settings by window class.. |
| 22:36.14 | nik_ | that 1st step? |
| 22:36.23 | enouf | nik_: sounds ok |
| 22:36.33 | eptalon | jaggz-: yes, some uis rock. |
| 22:36.33 | galen | http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/orig/ |
| 22:36.46 | enouf | nik_: then as root/sudom run that adduser command shown |
| 22:36.47 | galen | More specifically: http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/orig/linux-2.6_2.6.30~rc5.orig.tar.gz |
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| 22:36.53 | nik_ | can you please expalin to me what it does? |
| 22:37.01 | enouf | s/sudom/sudo |
| 22:37.13 | galen | i think trunk main will get me there if i add that to my sources |
| 22:37.22 | enouf | nik_: as a standard user, run 'groups' |
| 22:37.30 | enouf | or even 'id -a' |
| 22:37.46 | enouf | you will see which groups your user belongs to |
| 22:38.21 | galen | Piet: where's the option to turn off gpg checking? |
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| 22:38.23 | nik_ | hold! |
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| 22:38.26 | cemunal | hi all |
| 22:38.30 | nik_ | i just aptget gnome.... |
| 22:38.37 | nik_ | whats step no2? |
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| 22:38.38 | cemunal | if i use nv driver in xorg.conf, my screen's left side is black ( about one inch ) |
| 22:38.43 | enouf | you might want to also 'adduser username fuse' - the 'plugdev' group is usually required for automounting of external drives when plugged in |
| 22:38.46 | jaggz- | the keystroke mapping for "macros".. it's just very nice. Of course, these features should be in almost any manager years ago, but priorities vary .. :) |
| 22:38.51 | cemunal | i use vesa now |
| 22:38.58 | cemunal | how can i fix that? |
| 22:39.06 | jaggz- | I've tried going back to gnome, but it just can't compete |
| 22:39.21 | enouf | then logout and login again |
| 22:39.26 | Gnurdux | so ever since an upgrade of testing a few weeks back gnome hasnt been willing to start, due to iirc a dbus issue |
| 22:39.26 | nik_ | so now i give to cmd adduser username fuse right? |
| 22:39.29 | enouf | check with 'groups' output |
| 22:39.32 | Gnurdux | two dbus processes |
| 22:39.35 | Gnurdux | is there a fix yet? |
| 22:39.36 | enouf | sure nik_ |
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| 22:40.06 | jaggz- | cemunal, this is probably futile advice, but I'd first see if my monitor's auto-adjustment button worked |
| 22:40.30 | nik_ | nik dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
| 22:40.32 | Gnurdux | aha, found old bug report |
| 22:40.34 | Gnurdux | and it has a fix |
| 22:40.37 | nik_ | plugdev is already there? |
| 22:40.41 | nik_ | should i add fuse? |
| 22:40.43 | enouf | yes nik_ |
| 22:40.48 | enouf | yep |
| 22:41.00 | nik_ | nik@dell:~$ sudo adduser nik fuse |
| 22:41.01 | nik_ | adduser: The group `fuse' does not exist. |
| 22:41.20 | enouf | nik_: well, you might need to install something that creates the group |
| 22:41.35 | nik_ | hold please expali to me |
| 22:41.41 | nik_ | what we accomplisehs by that |
| 22:41.45 | Piet | galen: what you referred to is a kernel source archive, not a kernel package. but there are 2.6.30rc* packages indeed, and I'm not sure why they don'T show up here. |
| 22:41.47 | nik_ | apt-get install gnome-volume-manager pmount |
| 22:41.47 | enouf | though you can do it as well - but installing ntfs-3g pkgs should've pulled all those pkgs in |
| 22:41.51 | nik_ | i want to understand |
| 22:42.02 | nik_ | we apt egt 2 pachages right? |
| 22:42.08 | galen | Piet: I think i got them showing up in my apt reposiories |
| 22:42.10 | Piet | galen: i don't know how to deactivate signature checks, i never needed to. |
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| 22:42.13 | cemunal | jaggz, if i do it; the other distro's screen slides when i boot it this time :) |
| 22:42.21 | enouf | nik_: i see no ntfs-3g nor fuse pkgs there |
| 22:42.28 | darkbulb | How do I upgrade iceweasel using apt |
| 22:42.38 | darkbulb | Hey Joe |
| 22:42.40 | jaggz- | maybe you could compare the modelines .. do we deal with modelines anymore? |
| 22:42.51 | nik_ | ntfs-3g is somehting else than ntfs ? |
| 22:42.56 | enouf | yes |
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| 22:43.03 | enouf | !ntfs-3g |
| 22:43.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 22:43.35 | cemunal | jaggz, can u help me about that ( modelines ) |
| 22:43.36 | Piet | darkbulb: as root, run: aptitude update && aptitude install iceweasel |
| 22:43.40 | nik_ | ehile ntfs is only for read only i gather? |
| 22:43.45 | enouf | nik_: yes |
| 22:43.54 | nik_ | i see |
| 22:44.01 | nik_ | and pmount package? |
| 22:44.24 | enouf | nik_: that's something i don't bother with, but will help users and automounting, IINM |
| 22:44.42 | enouf | nik_: apt-get update ; apt-cache show pmount |
| 22:44.43 | nik_ | i see |
| 22:45.15 | galen | mwhahahahaha i am so happy |
| 22:45.32 | nik_ | Description: mount removable devices as normal user |
| 22:45.38 | galen | Piet: turns out the kernel from that source has the same problems my kernel has! it must be a kernel bug!!! |
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| 22:46.18 | nik_ | enouf: can we talk a little private please? |
| 22:47.13 | enouf | nik_: i can't be of any more help, i never use ntfs |
| 22:47.35 | enouf | nik_: and it's better to talk in channel - others can learn/see/help as well |
| 22:47.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | why, wanna slap him and spit him in the face privately? :) |
| 22:48.00 | enouf | ahh the ultimate mpooper ;-) |
| 22:48.03 | enouf | help out ! |
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| 22:48.25 | Piet | galen: what's that bug anyway? and which module is it? |
| 22:48.36 | nik_ | ok but although ia hev aptgeted gnome.... i still cant see open as administrator |
| 22:49.17 | enouf | nik_: i don't use gnome either ;-) |
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| 22:49.33 | nik_ | ok a console liek queston then |
| 22:49.46 | galen | Piet: No idea. And I don't care right now... i am sure it is being fixed.... |
| 22:49.59 | galen | it's with the acpi module, colliding in terms of address space or something |
| 22:50.00 | nik_ | sudo chown -R nik:nik /media/movies/ |
| 22:50.07 | nik_ | whts is this supposed to do? |
| 22:50.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | give the files to nik |
| 22:50.23 | nik_ | give me access rw to whole /media/movies/? |
| 22:50.24 | Piet | alright, shower. make sure your bios is up to date before reporting acpi errors |
| 22:50.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | "man chown"? |
| 22:50.38 | ulf_ | i have a radeon 7000 and try to set up X to work with a tv. i seem to miss some vital stuff do so. Any ideas? |
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| 22:51.06 | enouf | nik_: you might find if you're using GDM (again, i don't use that either) that if you issue "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" when the Menu comes up, you might be able to select some form of 'login as root' or gksu/gksudo or whatever - not sure it's what you want, but |
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| 22:51.27 | dondelelcaro | nik_: no, that just chowns the mountpoint. It doesn't do what you want it to do. |
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| 22:51.33 | enouf | nik_: you can't chown on ntfs mount |
| 22:51.41 | enouf | afiar |
| 22:51.49 | nik_ | but before chown its how i initiated the mount command right>? |
| 22:51.56 | enouf | not recursively - you can chown on the mount point |
| 22:52.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, not if it's already mounted (and is extN/xfs/reiser) |
| 22:52.08 | nik_ | enouf: why? |
| 22:52.24 | enouf | nik_: ntfs has no concept of it |
| 22:52.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ntfs has owners! |
| 22:52.49 | nik_ | chown doesnt apply to ntfs? |
| 22:52.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | question is if the group-owner would translate into sometuing useful also |
| 22:52.55 | enouf | no |
| 22:53.09 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: clearly. |
| 22:53.14 | nik_ | so it all boils down to how i moun the ntfs volume? |
| 22:53.19 | dondelelcaro | nik_: yes. |
| 22:53.22 | enouf | you can mount with uid= and gid= though |
| 22:53.53 | nik_ | ok then please tell me how should i mount /dev/sdb2 |
| 22:53.57 | enouf | and there are many other options - all outlined in those factoids + their URLs |
| 22:54.00 | adb | !user accessible ntfs |
| 22:54.01 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field. |
| 22:54.04 | nik_ | so i can have rw support to the ntfs volume |
| 22:54.09 | enouf | not to mention man pages and $docbase/pkgname |
| 22:54.32 | nik_ | man pages confuse me more :( |
| 22:54.39 | enouf | get used to it |
| 22:54.44 | enouf | or go back to windows |
| 22:54.45 | nik_ | too many options man |
| 22:54.49 | cemunal | how can i change screen position to left with xorg.conf? |
| 22:54.51 | dondelelcaro | nik_: first step is confusion; then comes understanding. |
| 22:54.52 | nik_ | i like one thign at a time |
| 22:55.00 | nik_ | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 22:55.02 | enouf | ther are specific sections referring to certain FSTypes |
| 22:55.14 | nik_ | ill try this |
| 22:55.36 | dondelelcaro | nik_: regardless, you're looking for something like mount -t ntfs-3g -o rw,gid=nik,uid=nik,umask=02222 /dev/hdb2 /media/movies; or similar. |
| 22:55.40 | nik_ | sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb2 /media/movies/ |
| 22:55.48 | dondelelcaro | nik_: man mount; man 5 fstab; man ntfs-3g; for details. |
| 22:56.04 | dondelelcaro | s/2222/222/ |
| 22:56.05 | enouf | nik_: you've been told these things a few times now |
| 22:56.20 | nik_ | i still dont know what -o in mount does |
| 22:56.25 | dondelelcaro | nik_: man mount. |
| 22:56.26 | enouf | options! |
| 22:56.47 | enouf | nik_: note; "..... You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field" |
| 22:57.00 | dondelelcaro | nik_: start reading the OPTIONS section, and continue until it you get it |
| 22:57.13 | fbh | nik_: and when youre done stop using ntfs |
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| 22:57.27 | dondelelcaro | nik_: you'll probably also want to read the DESCRIPTION section so you know what mount actually does. |
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| 22:57.33 | enouf | nik_: i suggest you also re-read much scrollback and try to absorb - walk through all the info slowly |
| 22:57.38 | joe-mac | anybody know what the line to put in a d-i preseed file is to enable logging? |
| 22:57.49 | dondelelcaro | nik_: but feel free to ask specific questions about the manpage here if you get stuck too |
| 22:57.53 | joe-mac | i recall setting something at one point that produced some pretty verbose logs |
| 22:58.08 | nik_ | i just read -o of man's mount |
| 22:58.18 | nik_ | didnt understand what it does |
| 22:58.39 | dondelelcaro | nik_: it's a flag which allows you to specific additional options to mount. |
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| 22:58.53 | dondelelcaro | nik_: all commands take options that do different things, and -t and -o are just different ones. |
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| 22:59.38 | nik_ | -t specify the type of filesystem we want for the aprtition to be mounted |
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| 22:59.40 | dondelelcaro | nik_: mount [-fnrsvw] [-t vfstype] [-o options] device dir <-- notice the [-o options]? that means that -o is followed by a set of options, and the whole [-o options] thing is optional. |
| 22:59.41 | nik_ | the -o ? |
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| 23:00.08 | dondelelcaro | nik_: Options are specified with a -o flag followed by a comma separated string of options. Some of these options are only useful.... |
| 23:00.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh, enouf is right |
| 23:00.51 | SerajewelKS | i'm having trouble setting up a masquerading box using a comcast modem as the uplink. everything works fine when making connections on the router box itself, but not when using a box coming out of the downlink interface. |
| 23:00.52 | nik_ | you are telling me before any option i might want to use i ahve to add -o first? |
| 23:01.01 | enouf | ### some vfat mount options-> vfat rw,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0 |
| 23:01.08 | nik_ | then how come sometimes i only give -t and it works |
| 23:01.12 | nik_ | or ls -al |
| 23:01.15 | SerajewelKS | i can ping, etc, and establish TCP connections, but after a second or two the connection hangs and the eth0 (uplink) interface on the router box starts reporting RX errors |
| 23:01.22 | nik_ | i dont us ls -o a,l |
| 23:01.23 | enouf | 'id' eill show you your uidand gid |
| 23:01.27 | SerajewelKS | and i have no clue why. connections made from the router box (like this IRC session) work just fine. |
| 23:01.28 | dondelelcaro | nik_: uh... only filesystem specific options use -o |
| 23:01.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ntfs-3g doesn't translate unix users into ntfs users and vice versa, automatically seems to set user=$USER |
| 23:01.30 | enouf | s/eill/will/ |
| 23:01.41 | SerajewelKS | tcpdump has verified that the iptables masquerading rule is working properly |
| 23:02.04 | SerajewelKS | so i'm at a loss why i get rx errors on the interface to the modem only when connections originate from behind the box |
| 23:02.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | nik_, every program has it's own options ... ls is a different program than mount |
| 23:02.15 | fbh | nik_: You can't just generalize like that, not all commands require same flags so forget about ls and anything else, concentrate on mount! |
| 23:02.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | nik_, and they're documented in the manpage to that program |
| 23:02.57 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ifconfig shows errors for iface in the rx/tx fields? |
| 23:02.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | or, e.g. here http://www.ntfs-3g.org/manual.html |
| 23:02.58 | fbh | nik_: and furthermore google is pretty damn clever on the subject |
| 23:03.05 | SerajewelKS | enouf: yes |
| 23:03.12 | SerajewelKS | enouf: RX packets:92762 errors:1220 dropped:0 overruns:1 frame:1245 |
| 23:03.24 | enouf | SerajewelKS: there was an issue with e1000e IIRC ... |
| 23:03.32 | SerajewelKS | enouf: this is an old box |
| 23:03.39 | nik_ | in ubuntu i was just giving sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /media/movies/ and it workesd |
| 23:03.44 | enouf | use ethtool and disable checksumming |
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| 23:03.47 | nik_ | why cant here be liek that? |
| 23:04.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | liek? |
| 23:04.09 | enouf | nik_: supply the patches needed to the maintainers |
| 23:04.25 | nik_ | what happens in debian if i just giev that? sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /media/movies/ |
| 23:04.28 | nik_ | please tell me |
| 23:04.37 | enouf | nik_: do you want anyone to be able to walk up to your box and wipe your movies? |
| 23:04.49 | nik_ | of course not |
| 23:04.53 | SerajewelKS | enouf: -K? |
| 23:05.07 | dondelelcaro | nik_: it just mounts /dev/sdb2 on /media/movies with whatever the default filesystem is that it detects with whatever the default mount options are |
| 23:05.07 | enouf | SerajewelKS: let me check .. IIRC, yes |
| 23:05.10 | SerajewelKS | enouf: Cannot set device rx csum settings: Operation not supported |
| 23:05.11 | dondelelcaro | nik_: it's not that complicated |
| 23:05.43 | fbh | nik_: and using ntfs that might pretty easey f up the filesystem if you d not specify what you exactly want |
| 23:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wdyti |
| 23:05.48 | dpkg | Why don't you try it? |
| 23:05.52 | fbh | easy* |
| 23:05.53 | enouf | SerajewelKS: there's a command to see if it's enbaled too |
| 23:06.10 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i think also, i meant offload_checksum or something |
| 23:06.13 | SerajewelKS | enouf: says rx is off and tx is on |
| 23:06.19 | enouf | hrm .. |
| 23:06.28 | enouf | SerajewelKS: which NIC? |
| 23:06.47 | enouf | gigE? lspci -nnk says what about it? |
| 23:06.52 | SerajewelKS | enouf: it's one of these two: 01:08.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone] (rev 24) 01:0c.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 78) |
| 23:07.00 | SerajewelKS | enouf: not sure which is eth0 and eth1 |
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| 23:07.04 | enouf | heh |
| 23:07.07 | enouf | !70 |
| 23:07.08 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 23:07.21 | nik_ | mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows is this adequate for rw? |
| 23:07.24 | SerajewelKS | mmk and how is the mac address going to help me parse lspci? |
| 23:07.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | nik_, try |
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| 23:07.40 | enouf | segosu: ifconfig |
| 23:07.43 | enouf | SerajewelKS: |
| 23:07.51 | enouf | segosu: ignore me |
| 23:07.58 | nik_ | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs-3g' |
| 23:08.02 | davi | I think the new radeon driver at sid should be back-ported to lenny, because lenny is unable to work with my new Radeon 46XX hardware. It switch to VESA mode! |
| 23:08.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | nik_, install it? |
| 23:08.13 | nik_ | so, apt-get install ntfs-3g ? |
| 23:08.22 | SerajewelKS | enouf: that will let me tie a mac address to an ethN |
| 23:08.23 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ifconfig HWaddr should match MAC in !70 |
| 23:08.28 | Rusty1 | nik_: yah |
| 23:08.32 | SerajewelKS | enouf: where is the connection between ethN/MAC and lspci? |
| 23:08.32 | nik_ | :) |
| 23:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | nik_, why don't you just try, ask if it doesn't work? |
| 23:08.49 | enouf | SerajewelKS: figure it out - i gave you all the info you need |
| 23:08.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | seriously, it's not more efficient to type it here |
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| 23:09.06 | SerajewelKS | enouf: there is no info in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules that tells me pci id or anything useful like that |
| 23:09.35 | SerajewelKS | enouf: just MAC address and interface name (which i already knew) |
| 23:09.39 | enouf | SerajewelKS: there's the info needed to know which iface has which MAC |
| 23:09.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | except for the pleasant effect of some serious hand-holding |
| 23:09.41 | peterS | SerajewelKS: ls /sys/bus/pci/devices/*/net/ |
| 23:09.46 | enouf | no you didn't |
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| 23:09.54 | enouf | ls /sys/class/net |
| 23:10.06 | peterS | yeah or that (: |
| 23:10.13 | SerajewelKS | enouf: correct, but not which iface name or MAC belongs to which PCI device... |
| 23:10.34 | enouf | SerajewelKS: who cares - but it's there .. in /sys or /proc |
| 23:10.39 | peterS | SerajewelKS: as he said, the symlinks in /sys/class/net will map iface name to PCI device |
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| 23:10.52 | peterS | going from there to mac address is a matter for 'ifconfig' or whatever |
| 23:10.54 | enouf | SerajewelKS: $ basename `readlink -f /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver/module/` |
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| 23:11.01 | enouf | see eth0 ? |
| 23:11.02 | marsje | question: when had a security upgrade to the kernel in debian 4, it always recommended me to reboot my machine. In debian 5 I don't get this warning anymore. does this mean I don't have to reboot? |
| 23:11.05 | enouf | lspci -k |
| 23:11.07 | nik_ | this worked: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb2 /media/movies/ |
| 23:11.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsje, you never *had* to reboot |
| 23:11.26 | SerajewelKS | enouf: then this is eth0: 01:0c.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 78) |
| 23:11.27 | nik_ | why didnt you say so ? |
| 23:11.31 | nik_ | no -o needed |
| 23:11.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsje, only if you want the new kernel |
| 23:11.53 | SerajewelKS | enouf: -k only shows me that they are both using the same driver :) |
| 23:12.01 | marsje | CutMeOwnThroat: right, so if I don't reboot, I have none of the security fixes? |
| 23:12.02 | enouf | wonderful |
| 23:12.19 | SerajewelKS | enouf: but it is 01:0c.0 |
| 23:12.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsje, not running... how should you... can't change kernel on a running system |
| 23:12.40 | enouf | SerajewelKS: the -nnk option should give [xxxx:xxxx] which you can then search for correct module to use |
| 23:12.42 | Think-Free | Hi guys ! I'm looking for a librairy to build a virtual keyboard for Xorg ( for the freerunner ) any ideas ? |
| 23:12.47 | marsje | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe using new voodoo methods? |
| 23:13.12 | SerajewelKS | enouf: afaik it is using the right driver already |
| 23:13.14 | marsje | CutMeOwnThroat: just wondering why this warning message to reboot disappeared |
| 23:13.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | nik_, if -o is needed depends on what you want and what the defaults are, we're not gods, it only seems so :-P |
| 23:13.30 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ok - then you think there's a conflict? which module? |
| 23:13.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsje, probably someone decided that less is more |
| 23:13.39 | SerajewelKS | enouf: why would there be a conflict? |
| 23:13.45 | enouf | SerajewelKS: errors? |
| 23:13.53 | nik_ | CutMeOwnThroat: :) |
| 23:13.57 | enouf | you're the one asking for help ... |
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| 23:14.12 | nik_ | so the default were 'rw' in my system as it looks? |
| 23:14.18 | nik_ | that why it didnt need -o ? |
| 23:14.18 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i understand but i'm losing sight of what two NICs using the same driver has to do with rx errors... |
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| 23:14.33 | SerajewelKS | enouf: they are both 3com models that are very close... should they not be using the same driver? |
| 23:14.40 | enouf | SerajewelKS: that .. i don't know - but i would investigate |
| 23:14.50 | SerajewelKS | enouf: to clarify, eth0 goes to the modem, and eth1 goes to the switch |
| 23:14.50 | marsje | CutMeOwnThroat: what I was thinking, as non-guru, is that maybe the kernel image also contains fixes to modules which can be reloaded |
| 23:14.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | nik_, mount |grep /dev/sdb2 |
| 23:15.13 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ok - that's about all i can help with this at this point |
| 23:15.21 | SerajewelKS | mmk |
| 23:15.40 | SerajewelKS | the part that makes no sense to me is that i get RX errors on eth0 only when the connection comes from eth1 and is masqueraded out eth0 |
| 23:15.48 | SerajewelKS | connections originating on the box work fine |
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| 23:16.03 | enouf | <SerajewelKS> i can ping, etc, and establish TCP connections, but after a second or two the connection hangs and the eth0 (uplink) interface on the router box starts reporting RX errors |
| 23:16.08 | SerajewelKS | and they are RX errors, not TX errors, which indicates to me somehow that the modem is confused. but i don't know why. |
| 23:16.09 | enouf | just to update everyone |
| 23:16.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsje, they might, if there's no visible version-change inside kernel/modules (which I'm not sure about) - but then, nothing will unload && reload all modules, because modules that are in use can't be unloaded |
| 23:16.36 | SerajewelKS | enouf: correct, only for connections being masqueraded to the modem |
| 23:16.49 | nik_ | /dev/sdb2 on /media/movies type fuseblk (rw,allow_other,blksize=4096) |
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| 23:17.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's _your_ defaults, obviously |
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| 23:17.06 | marsje | CutMeOwnThroat: so basically the recommended way to do things is just reboot after a kernel update |
| 23:17.23 | nik_ | what is "fusebll" my filesystems defaults? |
| 23:18.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsje, sure, if you feel whatever the kernel security update was for is a threat to you (which it normally isn't, if you can trust your local users), or for whatever reason |
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| 23:18.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsje, you can also keep running the machine until you'll reboot anyway |
| 23:18.46 | nik_ | is ti ok to have this automatic happen in /etc/fstab /dev/sdb2 /media/movies/ ntfs-3g |
| 23:18.58 | marsje | CutMeOwnThroat: the only local user if me, but I don't trust myself to be a good sysadmin, so maybe there is another local user I don't know about... ;-) |
| 23:18.59 | nik_ | will it work so i see the drive mounted? |
| 23:19.07 | nik_ | on debian boot |
| 23:19.12 | SerajewelKS | enouf: and, if this weren't weird enough already, tcpdump indicates that when doing an HTTP request to google for example, the request headers make it through, and the response headers do as well, but then i start getting the RX errors. |
| 23:19.19 | SerajewelKS | so it's starting to crap out mid-stream |
| 23:19.26 | SerajewelKS | scratches head |
| 23:19.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | nik_, there's an example in the webpage of the ntfs3g factoid... |
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| 23:20.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | nik_, and you can try with umount /dev/sdb2 ; edit fstab ; mount /media/movies |
| 23:20.46 | Tramp | SerajewelKS: and you are sure that this is coupled to the masquerading and not to the fact, that the internal client suddenly generates "much" traffic? i.e. when you do some bulk-traffic from the masquerading host everything is fine? |
| 23:20.49 | nik_ | nice!without booting! |
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| 23:21.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh, scratches his head and leaves |
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| 23:21.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, too late |
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| 23:21.43 | Growly | hello ladies and gentlemen |
| 23:21.50 | Tramp | SerajewelKS: and you are sure that this is coupled to the masquerading and not to the fact, that the internal client suddenly generates "much" traffic? i.e. when you do some bulk-traffic from the masquerading host everything is fine? |
| 23:21.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | nik_, what's this 'booting' you're talking about, anyway |
| 23:21.59 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: see - had it in the buffer at least :) |
| 23:22.13 | SerajewelKS | Tramp: i have no clue at all |
| 23:22.19 | nik_ | starting of debian |
| 23:22.22 | SerajewelKS | Tramp: when i elinks to google from the router box everything looks fine |
| 23:22.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, !tell Tramp -about repeat :-P |
| 23:22.31 | SerajewelKS | Tramp: when i elinks from another box, i get the headers back and then silence |
| 23:22.34 | marsje | is off to bed |
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| 23:22.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | nik_, I was kidding |
| 23:22.57 | SerajewelKS | Tramp: the only thing indicitave of a problem is RX errors. and everything was working just fine when i was using another uplink a month ago. |
| 23:23.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !reboot |
| 23:23.08 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 23:23.33 | Tramp | SerajewelKS: hmm. This is weird indeed. - what do you mean by "another uplink" - different Modem/ISP? |
| 23:23.42 | SerajewelKS | Tramp: yes |
| 23:23.54 | SerajewelKS | Tramp: i have only seen this problem with this particular modem/ISP |
| 23:24.22 | SerajewelKS | and i'm clueless why only masquerading triggers it |
| 23:24.25 | Tramp | SerajewelKS: is this now cable or ADSL? |
| 23:24.34 | SerajewelKS | it seems to me that masquerading should make it look like the connection was coming from the router |
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| 23:24.46 | SerajewelKS | Tramp: cable, i have used this setup successfully with my uni connection and dsl |
| 23:24.50 | Growly | is it normal for Xorg to use 50% of my cpu running ktorrent, firefox, and two konqueror windows? running a celeron 2.4ghz, 1gb ram, intel i865g integrated gfx - i've tried and failed to get 3d drivers running, and am unsure which drivers i might need to replace or what else i need to do to get this thing to be usable |
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| 23:25.33 | Ender2070 | if you're using the latest xorg there were regressions |
| 23:25.42 | Ender2070 | in intel graphics |
| 23:25.53 | SerajewelKS | Tramp: the fact that masquerading triggers it tells me something on my end must be responsible too, since masquerading should make an internal connection and a connection from the router look the same |
| 23:25.56 | Rusty1 | Growly: 50% of a smelleron sounds abt right |
| 23:26.05 | Tramp | SerajewelKS: yeah. well. I'm poking into the dark. Countermeasures against masquerading would not manifest as RX errors, afaik |
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| 23:27.05 | Growly | input appreciated |
| 23:27.11 | Tramp | SerajewelKS: well, there are means to detect masquerading (in case "connection sharing" is not allowed by the provider). But they would not result in RX errors which, afaik, point to layer1/2 problems |
| 23:27.20 | aaron_ | I have a 64 bit intel motherboard dg33bu.....what version of debian do I install? |
| 23:27.21 | Growly | oh, debian lenny 5 btw |
| 23:27.21 | Growly | Ender2070: oh? |
| 23:27.26 | Growly | Rusty1: oh ok - the machine was running centos before i got my hands on it and was doing well |
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| 23:27.37 | SerajewelKS | Tramp: right. and it's comcast, pretty sure they have no problems with routers. |
| 23:27.54 | Growly | and i know it ran netbsd (modified to be extremely lean by a crack team of admins) very fast too |
| 23:27.55 | Growly | must be all the bloat |
| 23:27.57 | Ender2070 | Growly - theres some switch that you can add to your xorg.conf file but you'll have to google it |
| 23:28.12 | Growly | Ender2070: thanks i'll look into that |
| 23:28.44 | SerajewelKS | Tramp: if we can figure out *why* masquerading seems to cause it then we should be set |
| 23:28.49 | Tramp | SerajewelKS: well, so the only thing I could suggest to ask in ##networking, maybe somebody there has an idea |
| 23:28.50 | SerajewelKS | Tramp: this is the first time i have seen anything like this |
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| 23:29.36 | Cryp\ict_Donkey | .msg nickserv register Por2490 topgun228@gmail.com |
| 23:29.45 | Tramp | SerajewelKS: well, I'm still not convinced that the masquerading is really causing it. But currently I don't even have an idea how to verify or harden this claim |
| 23:29.51 | nik_ | its workign |
| 23:30.06 | nik_ | /etc/fstab doeasnt need soemthign extar as an option |
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| 23:30.33 | nik_ | /dev/sda1/media/vista/ntfs-3g |
| 23:30.33 | nik_ | /dev/sda2/media/downloads/ntfs-3g |
| 23:30.34 | nik_ | /dev/sdb2/media/movies/ntfs-3g |
| 23:30.37 | nik_ | just these |
| 23:30.45 | SerajewelKS | Tramp: it's the most reproducible factor i have |
| 23:30.45 | nik_ | no -o |
| 23:30.49 | nik_ | no -uid=1000 |
| 23:30.51 | SerajewelKS | Tramp: it happens with debian and xp machines behind the router |
| 23:30.55 | nik_ | no zeroes |
| 23:30.57 | SerajewelKS | Tramp: but i have not observed it on the router itself |
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| 23:31.06 | nik_ | no nothigns just the type of filesystem |
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| 23:33.15 | Tramp | SerajewelKS: yeah, well. I'm not saying it's not the masq. It just seems so unlikely that I would like to generate more "scientific evidence". - but let's see how it goes in ##networking |
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| 23:33.24 | nik_ | should i remove these now |
| 23:33.29 | nik_ | apt-get install gnome-volume-manager pmount |
| 23:33.40 | nik_ | do we really need it? |
| 23:36.03 | Tramp | SerajewelKS: btw, did you check your (kern) logs for some hints about the nature of those RX errors |
| 23:36.03 | nik_ | ? |
| 23:36.19 | SerajewelKS | Tramp: dmesg is pretty quiet |
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| 23:37.26 | aaron_ | will amd64 install on a intel 64 bit board...what version should I be installing? |
| 23:37.41 | maligor | assuming it's em64t and not ia64 |
| 23:38.04 | Arrowmaster | if you dont know what an ia64 is you probably dont have one |
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| 23:41.55 | Rusty1 | Growly: would the xorg.conf from the Centos install be around? |
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| 23:43.00 | zeeble | hi. does it make sene to install 64 bit ver on a core2 duo laptop, or should i go with 32bit? |
| 23:43.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | aaron_, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2 says x86-64 so you can install i386 or amd64 |
| 23:44.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | zeeble, /msg dpkg why amd64 |
| 23:44.06 | aniscreen | would it be enough to download and install the first dvd file? or is it necessary to download them all? |
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| 23:44.20 | abrotman | aniscreen: most can do the install with the netinst |
| 23:44.24 | dcorbin | How can I find out which uninstalled package should provide a file? |
| 23:44.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | aniscreen, even just the netinstall is "enough", you can always install more from the net |
| 23:45.32 | zeeble | ok. so i am downloading the 64 bit netinstall image |
| 23:45.49 | aniscreen | but i don't have a OS already installed on my computer |
| 23:46.02 | aniscreen | so i guess netinst isn't an option here.. |
| 23:46.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | zeeble, the "why not amd64" is missing though :( (and there are less and less reasons, I think there's amd64 flash plugins now, there's an nvidia amd64 driver and... dunno what other problems were most common) |
| 23:46.42 | abrotman | aniscreen: what does that have to do with it? |
| 23:46.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | zeeble, on the other hand, you're not gaining *so* much, so if your firstmost goal is to minimize your effort, install i386 |
| 23:46.44 | zeeble | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah. i know. i had probs with 64 bit ubuntu when installign on a friend's comp |
| 23:47.07 | abrotman | aniscreen: the netinst has the same installer as the DVD1 .. just doesn't have the same number of packages on the disc .. it will fetch the packages you want from the net instead of the DVD |
| 23:47.11 | zeeble | CutMeOwnThroat: heh. i already have the netinstall image for that. was just wondering if 64 ibit would be better |
| 23:47.13 | aniscreen | abrotman, maybe because i don't have an internet connection? |
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| 23:47.19 | Polarina | CutMeOwnThroat: A bad idea. |
| 23:47.28 | abrotman | aniscreen: how are you going to download the DVD ? |
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| 23:48.16 | aniscreen | i was thinking of downloading it from another computer, then burn the dvd and then install it |
| 23:48.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | zeeble, eh, I just see that 'why amd64' isn't really comparing, actually the amd64 factoid does more... |
| 23:48.37 | abrotman | !tell dcorbin about apt-file |
| 23:48.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Polarina, what? |
| 23:48.45 | zeeble | what exactly are you planning to do with debian, aniscreen? |
| 23:48.50 | abrotman | aniscreen: i suppose that hsould be fine .. might be overkill, but it's up to you |
| 23:49.06 | Polarina | CutMeOwnThroat: To install i386 on a x86-64 capable computer. |
| 23:49.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Polarina, I'm running that for 2 years now... so why was it a bad idea? |
| 23:49.35 | Polarina | CutMeOwnThroat: You gain more with x86-64. |
| 23:49.40 | zeeble | Polarina: gain what? |
| 23:49.51 | Polarina | zeeble: Additional general purpose registers. |
| 23:49.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | will I win the lottery? meet the sweetest girl I can imagine? |
| 23:49.55 | zeeble | you dont gain a lot when half the software you are going to isntall on it isnt 64 bit ready |
| 23:49.59 | abrotman | Polarina: not enough to justify the issues that used to be common with running a pure64 distro |
| 23:50.13 | Polarina | abrotman: I see no issues that could arrise... |
| 23:50.16 | zeeble | lol |
| 23:50.19 | abrotman | Polarina: do you use non-free software? |
| 23:50.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | so much for that :) |
| 23:50.30 | Polarina | abrotman: No, mostly not. |
| 23:50.51 | abrotman | Polarina: and that's why you don't have a problem .. but that is/was a large issue with the amd64 version of debian |
| 23:51.12 | Polarina | Lots of non-free programs support x86-64. |
| 23:51.18 | abrotman | Polarina: and lots don't |
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| 23:52.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't really matter if 1000 non-free programs support it, if the one you need doesn't |
| 23:52.07 | abrotman | if it's just a desktop, you'll likely not see any real useful gain from amd64 vs i386 |
| 23:52.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | and if the non-desktop software you use is only 32-bit then you won't either :) |
| 23:53.21 | abrotman | there is the ia32-libs package .. but i'm not sure how far that gets you |
| 23:54.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I feel that all this is starting to become quite useful now |
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| 23:55.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean at least there are packages for two different lib trees now and you don't have to run a chroot iistc |
| 23:56.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I could actually try it the other way around, there's also a lot of lib64\* around |
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| 23:58.24 | enouf | !multiarch |
| 23:58.24 | dpkg | i heard multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html, or http://wiki.debian.org/MultiarchFosdem |
| 23:58.51 | zeeble | k. time to install |
| 23:58.53 | aniscreen | abrotman, you didn't quite answer me. Would it be enough to download and install only the first debian DVD? I don't really need the others, do I? |
| 23:59.08 | abrotman | aniscreen: it depends what you want to do with debian .. what you want to install, etc |
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| 23:59.38 | aniscreen | well, let's say just the basic with gnome/x window |
| 23:59.46 | aaron_ | I can't get debian installed on a dg33bu intel motherboard..... |
| 23:59.54 | abrotman | aniscreen: yep, should be fine |
