| 00:00.12 | aniscreen | sweet |
| 00:00.14 | aniscreen | wish me luck :P |
| 00:00.22 | abrotman | aniscreen: eventually you may want the rest of the DVDs or net access to get more apckages .. but ultimately up to you |
| 00:00.22 | aaron_ | which is the correct architecture for this board dg33bu dual core intel processor |
| 00:00.45 | abrotman | aaron_: either i386 or amd64 |
| 00:00.58 | aaron_ | both fail when I reboot |
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| 00:01.02 | aniscreen | abrotman, yes I'm aware of that. |
| 00:01.06 | abrotman | aaron_: fail how? |
| 00:01.09 | aaron_ | I install grub on the mbr too |
| 00:01.19 | aaron_ | on reboot the drive is not detected |
| 00:01.23 | abrotman | are you doing any fancy partitioning ? |
| 00:01.34 | aaron_ | just / as the first drive |
| 00:01.36 | abrotman | what kind of sata controller is it ? |
| 00:01.38 | aaron_ | and the swap |
| 00:01.47 | abrotman | did you try putting the sata in another mode? (if possible) |
| 00:01.57 | aaron_ | abrotman, no |
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| 00:02.08 | aaron_ | I was multibooting centos and debian |
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| 00:03.44 | Serajewe1KS | Tramp / enouf: got it working |
| 00:04.00 | Tramp | what did you change? |
| 00:04.08 | Serajewe1KS | i'm not sure what the problem was, but i swapped the cables and s/eth[01]/eth[10]/ all over my system and it magically works |
| 00:04.32 | enouf | Serajewe1KS: heh |
| 00:04.45 | Tramp | Serajewe1KS: well. so the "masquerding theory" was probably wrong |
| 00:05.14 | Serajewe1KS | not sure if eth0 was screwing up somewhere or what. i pulled a new IP since it saw a new mac address. |
| 00:05.14 | Serajewe1KS | so it may have been eth0 doesn't like my modem, or the upstream-assigned IP settings were faulty, or the stars weren't aligned right... |
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| 00:06.00 | Tramp | that's why waving a chicken three times over your head often helps :) |
| 00:06.00 | SerajewelKS | ok let's try this again |
| 00:06.07 | SerajewelKS | how much did you see? |
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| 00:06.18 | bookmark | this is strange |
| 00:06.26 | bookmark | it seems my nvidia.ko module loaded |
| 00:06.38 | Tramp | SerajewelKS: weren't aligned right .... |
| 00:06.44 | SerajewelKS | in case you missed everything, switching the cables from eth1<->eth0 and updating configs appropriately helped |
| 00:06.49 | bookmark | but i have no opengl, do i need to specify the driver in xorg.conf for startx to use it? |
| 00:07.06 | SerajewelKS | but i don't know if this is because eth0 and my modem don't like each other, or if it's because the new IP settings it pulled due to the new MAC address were better or what |
| 00:07.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | bookmark, that's strange? |
| 00:07.57 | bookmark | well would lsmod tell me modules that are running or that exist? |
| 00:08.37 | SerajewelKS | ok i take that back |
| 00:08.44 | SerajewelKS | some more connection weirdness but no rx errors anymore |
| 00:10.14 | SerajewelKS | nope, nothing's better |
| 00:10.16 | SerajewelKS | just no RX errors now |
| 00:10.37 | bookmark | what device is nvidia? |
| 00:10.48 | bookmark | i mean what would the section heading be in xorg.conf |
| 00:10.56 | bookmark | like adapter? |
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| 00:11.11 | bookmark | oh nevermind i see it |
| 00:11.19 | bookmark | section "device" |
| 00:11.45 | SerajewelKS | oh HO i take that back |
| 00:11.54 | SerajewelKS | there are still errors on eth0 -- which is now going into my switch |
| 00:12.07 | SerajewelKS | well i have ruled out one aspect of the problem |
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| 00:12.15 | SerajewelKS | i still don't know how local traffic, like ssh, works fine |
| 00:12.21 | SerajewelKS | but eth0 is definitely grumpy |
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| 00:14.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, gone again |
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| 00:23.55 | Schuenemann | does anyone know if there's a bpython package for debian somewhere? |
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| 00:25.18 | ballessay | Schuenemann: bpython? |
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| 00:26.49 | Schuenemann | ballessay, yeah, a python interpreter. |
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| 00:29.10 | ballessay | Schuenemann: i know about a packe python2.4 or python2.5 (cause i use sometimes some pyton scripting) but not bpython |
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| 00:29.28 | liable | idiot |
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| 00:30.34 | liable | !ops queudf dcc kiddy |
| 00:30.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: queudf dcc kiddy |
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| 00:30.43 | dondelelcaro | liable: yeah, he's already left, unfortunatly. |
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| 00:30.57 | liable | dondelelcaro: he left then came back |
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| 00:31.16 | liable | ta |
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| 00:37.44 | amanda-b | is there a web-based mysql admin tool? for the life of me i swear there is one but i can't remember its name ... |
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| 00:38.58 | liable | mysql-admin innit? |
| 00:39.06 | liable | and it comes with mysql iirc |
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| 00:41.48 | nkuttler | phpmyadmin afaik |
| 00:42.02 | liable | ah, thats the one i was thinking of |
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| 00:42.25 | liable | erm. actually |
| 00:43.06 | Gigantic | why do I get "Module not found" whenever I exec apps in wine? =\ |
| 00:43.09 | liable | i'll just shut up seeing as I cant remember |
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| 00:44.18 | smacnay | subtitleeditor needs the gstreamer-fluendo lib but telepathy/empathy with farsight needs the gstreamer-plugins-bad (which conflicts with gst-fluendo. So it is either a working empathy or a functional subtitleeditor... "have you ever had to make up your mind..." :) |
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| 00:50.18 | intx | is using dd a bad idea for recovering data off a dying hard drive? |
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| 00:50.42 | nkuttler | intx: depends how valuable the data is.. |
| 00:51.01 | Gigantic | !TRALALA |
| 00:51.01 | dpkg | tralala is, like, kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk |
| 00:51.21 | nkuttler | Gigantic: please don't abuse the bot |
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| 00:51.40 | Gigantic | never |
| 00:51.56 | Gigantic | so, any ideas on why I can't exec wine apps? |
| 00:52.03 | Gigantic | "Module not found" |
| 00:52.30 | allisonvoll_ | what app? |
| 00:52.46 | intx | nkuttler: i mean, vs using cp -r |
| 00:53.19 | allisonvoll_ | !tralala |
| 00:53.20 | dpkg | hmm... tralala is kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk |
| 00:53.24 | nkuttler | intx: i'd say cp is less intrusive, so if you have a physical defect the risk of damaging the drive is smaller |
| 00:53.28 | nkuttler | !forget tralala |
| 00:53.28 | dpkg | i forgot tralala, nkuttler |
| 00:53.44 | allisonvoll_ | lol |
| 00:53.48 | Gigantic | now that is abuse =\ |
| 00:54.00 | allisonvoll_ | =\ |
| 00:54.01 | nkuttler | Gigantic: you can discuss that with the ops if you want to |
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| 00:54.24 | Gigantic | allisonvoll_: any app, looks like it can not exec |
| 00:54.33 | allisonvoll_ | nkuttler without tralala? |
| 00:54.33 | allisonvoll_ | xD |
| 00:54.34 | Gigantic | as if the partition were no exec but is not |
| 00:55.05 | Gigantic | I wonder if the fact that the partition is encrypted affects in anything... |
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| 00:55.31 | Gigantic | nkuttler: I man it is an abuse to ask the factoid again |
| 00:55.36 | allisonvoll_ | maybe... |
| 00:55.44 | Gigantic | and I actually didnt know the factoid existed anyways |
| 00:55.55 | Gigantic | w/e |
| 00:57.17 | dondelelcaro | Gigantic: just /msg the bot |
| 00:57.22 | Gigantic | I had the stable, tried the testing and even recompiled myself |
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| 00:58.39 | Gigantic | Guys really.. I know you, please no offense but sometimes you are a bit way too much strict... isn't it more flood to have 10 guys reprimand you than just ignoring a 1 line ?oke |
| 00:59.00 | Gigantic | I meant a constructive critic, for real |
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| 01:00.19 | jebbajeb | i have lenny and i want to use KDE in spanish, but the only language available is english. How do i add more? |
| 01:00.39 | nkuttler | jebbajeb: apt-cache search kde spanish |
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| 01:00.59 | jebbajeb | nkuttler: done that, and searched for i18n etc. |
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| 01:01.10 | \amethyst | jebbajeb: kde-l10n-es |
| 01:01.23 | \amethyst | oh, that's only in sid |
| 01:01.50 | jebbajeb | \amethyst: ya, not in lenny |
| 01:02.18 | nkuttler | jebbajeb: my lenny box returns kde-i18n-es and more |
| 01:02.25 | jebbajeb | in fact, i cant even see how to change the "regular" (non-X) language either |
| 01:02.39 | nkuttler | jebbajeb: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 01:03.06 | \amethyst | oh, right, it's kde-i18n-es in lenny and -l10n- in sid |
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| 01:03.24 | nkuttler | makes sense |
| 01:03.44 | Gigantic | yeah btw... why it is l10? |
| 01:03.49 | \amethyst | 'localization' |
| 01:03.59 | Gigantic | and 18? |
| 01:04.03 | jebbajeb | ah, actually i guess i have squeeze/sid! (started with lenny). |
| 01:04.10 | \amethyst | 'internationalization' |
| 01:04.14 | Gigantic | ah! |
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| 01:04.34 | Gigantic | =) I didn't know that one |
| 01:04.52 | \amethyst | i18n is the process of making it possible to localize (using gettext etc); l10n is the localization itself (translations etc) |
| 01:05.12 | jebbajeb | http://ftp.ccc.uba.ar/pub/linux/debian/debian/ testing main <--- thats what i have in my sources.list, but no kde-i18n or l10n- either for kde. |
| 01:05.34 | \amethyst | jebbajeb: it looks like squeeze is in between at the moment |
| 01:06.11 | jebbajeb | ah |
| 01:06.19 | jebbajeb | ok, so its not me at least hehe |
| 01:06.24 | jebbajeb | \amethyst: thx |
| 01:06.52 | \amethyst | jebbajeb: what does dpkg -l | grep kdelibs say? |
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| 01:07.08 | \amethyst | jebbajeb: in particular, do you have kdelibs4c2a or kdelibs5, and what version? |
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| 01:08.12 | jebbajeb | \amethyst: both kdelibs4c2a and kdelibs5 are installed |
| 01:08.36 | \amethyst | the kde-l18n-es from lenny will work for the KDE 3 stuff |
| 01:08.42 | jebbajeb | 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 and 4:4.1.0-3+b1 (kdelibs5) |
| 01:08.45 | \amethyst | err, i18n |
| 01:09.13 | jebbajeb | well, assuming it will appear in the next few days (correct assumption?) i can just wait |
| 01:09.14 | \amethyst | unfortunately the kde-l10n-es from sid depends on kdelibs5 >= 4:4.2.0 which is not in squeeze yet |
| 01:10.51 | \amethyst | it looks like probably more than a few days |
| 01:10.56 | Piet | when using a vpn connection to connect to a remote network (vpn client), can i make dns requests both against my local and against the remote dns servers and somehow merge the results? and preferrably all that without customizing my local dns server or installing another? |
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| 01:12.39 | Arkaniad | Sup guys! |
| 01:12.56 | Arkaniad | Waiting for debian x64 iso to download |
| 01:12.57 | Arkaniad | Also |
| 01:13.26 | Arkaniad | Is there a way to get OpenSim installed on debian? i tried, but nant wouldnt compile, meaning i couldnt compile mono, meaning i couldnnt build it. :\ |
| 01:14.06 | enouf | what is nant and why wouldn't it compile? |
| 01:14.19 | \amethyst | Arkaniad: can't you install the debian packages for nant and mono? |
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| 01:14.26 | \amethyst | does opensim need its own versions? |
| 01:14.31 | Arkaniad | Facepalm... |
| 01:14.49 | ballessay | Arkaniad: why just use the one that apt provides? |
| 01:14.51 | Arkaniad | Right, i guess i was a little tired. |
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| 01:15.11 | \amethyst | nant and mono-devel should pull in most of what you'd need, I think |
| 01:15.20 | Arkaniad | Awesome. |
| 01:16.46 | jebbajeb | \amethyst: thx again...ciao............ |
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| 01:28.22 | anoHito | what is the last version of etch ? debian etch r ? |
| 01:28.34 | anoHito | debian 4.0 r 8 ? |
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| 01:30.40 | adb | 8 |
| 01:31.15 | anoHito | okay ,but where i can find the cd image #1 to download ? i can not find it. |
| 01:31.30 | adb | i386 ? |
| 01:33.30 | liable | anoHito: there are links on debian.org to the installer images |
| 01:34.18 | anoHito | yes i386 |
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| 01:34.41 | adb | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r8/i386/ |
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| 01:35.32 | anoHito | http://ftp.bg.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian4.0r8/main/ i can not find the cd image. |
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| 01:38.12 | liable | you dont want 4.0 |
| 01:39.31 | liable | anoHito: the latest stable is 5.0 (lenny) |
| 01:39.41 | anoHito | i need 4.0 |
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| 01:41.40 | liable | anoHito: then get it from the link that adb gave you |
| 01:41.48 | anoHito | okay. |
| 01:41.59 | liable | it wont be on mirrors, because its archived |
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| 01:43.57 | anoHito | i can not find the mirrors for it. |
| 01:44.09 | anoHito | oh,i understand. |
| 01:44.36 | anoHito | Thanks liable and adb . |
| 01:45.12 | Gigantic | I am getting "Module not found" whenever I want to exec a binary with wine, any ideas? |
| 01:45.35 | Gigantic | I've try stable, devel and custom build no luck |
| 01:46.31 | adb | which "Module not found" ? |
| 01:47.09 | Gigantic | adb: that is the answer whenever I try to get any binary to work, ej example.exe |
| 01:48.20 | adb | wine example.exe , work ? |
| 01:48.25 | Gigantic | wine example.exe ---> wine: could not load /path/to/example.exe : Module not found |
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| 01:49.58 | adb | Gigantic: try #winehq |
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| 01:50.46 | Depressed | can I somehow install debian on my machine like you do with ubuntu's wubi? |
| 01:50.51 | Depressed | by not repartitioning my disk |
| 01:50.53 | Gigantic | dead as always cause too many Ubuntuers are trying tofind out how to get their games on under Linux after using Linux for 2 days |
| 01:50.59 | Depressed | and whenever I wish to remove it just remove it from add/remove programs |
| 01:51.06 | Depressed | I'm a windows user |
| 01:52.01 | Gigantic | Depressed: no, now jump! |
| 01:52.20 | Depressed | is it really not possible |
| 01:52.21 | abrotman | !colinux |
| 01:52.22 | dpkg | i heard colinux is http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC ... |
| 01:53.04 | Depressed | I don't want to run debian inside my windows |
| 01:53.18 | abrotman | isn't that what you just asked for ? |
| 01:53.19 | Depressed | I want to install it on my current Windows hard drives without repartitioning them |
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| 01:53.21 | Gigantic | that is what you are doing with Ubuntu |
| 01:53.36 | Depressed | you are not, during the boot you're choosing Vista or Ubuntu |
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| 01:53.42 | Gigantic | you want to use your ntfs and that's not a good idea |
| 01:53.46 | Depressed | if you choose Ubuntu you boot into Linux only but it reads from the windows drives |
| 01:54.05 | Depressed | the disk space that ubuntu uses is a single archive file found on the Windows hard drive |
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| 01:55.17 | adb | dpkg: hm "commercial PC : ? should be "commercial OS" |
| 01:55.17 | dpkg | adb: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 01:58.30 | Depressed | so it's not possible to install Debian inside Windows without partitioning the disk drives? |
| 01:59.08 | abrotman | goodbye-windows.com ? |
| 01:59.08 | Depressed | I tried that, rebooted, and when I booted into the installation I was asked on how to partition the disk |
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| 02:00.08 | Gigantic | Depressed: that is not the way Debian works, it is possible as with any other distro but it is just not want you are looking for |
| 02:00.26 | Depressed | why? |
| 02:00.33 | Gigantic | because |
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| 02:01.05 | Gigantic | Debian has another philoosopy that's all, |
| 02:01.31 | Depressed | I'm already using debian as a server but I also want to install it on my laptop without messing any of my hard drives |
| 02:02.52 | Gigantic | Depressed: I want to make Monica Belucci to marry me but that won't happen either |
| 02:03.19 | Depressed | okay :) |
| 02:03.41 | abrotman | Depressed: i'd guess you could use the wubi isntaller .. and then use debootstrap from there .. but i'm not 100% certain |
| 02:04.09 | Rusty1 | http://www.visoracle.com/download/debian/ dunno, Depressed |
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| 02:05.32 | Gigantic | it is just an image I guess, with grub or something |
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| 02:11.54 | esaym | how to get time as seconds since 1970 |
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| 02:13.46 | abrotman | man date ? |
| 02:13.56 | karsten | abrotman: I prefer women myself |
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| 02:14.06 | liable | heh |
| 02:14.07 | karsten | abrotman: But whatever floats your boat. |
| 02:14.18 | liable | i know i shouldn't encourage him |
| 02:14.22 | abrotman | karsten: you're the one in SF :) |
| 02:14.53 | karsten | once risked severely insulting a female co-worker by sending her an email about a Unix command, subject line: man less |
| 02:15.03 | karsten | abrotman: Yes, home of gay men and ... |
| 02:15.04 | esaym | abrotman: yea can't figure it out :-/ |
| 02:15.11 | karsten | abrotman: ... a great deal of frustrated single women. |
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| 02:15.39 | karsten | She sat right next to me, I heard this sort of held breath for a second as she received it. |
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| 02:16.04 | abrotman | karsten: including danish princesses |
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| 02:16.23 | karsten | abrotman: I may have to physically harm you. |
| 02:16.25 | esaym | abrotman: figurer it out it is " date +%s" |
| 02:16.31 | abrotman | karsten: okay |
| 02:16.45 | esaym | I did not know about the "+" |
| 02:16.49 | karsten | esaym: yes: date +%s is seconds from epoch. |
| 02:16.59 | esaym | %s would just error.. |
| 02:17.17 | dkr | ⪠I'm a danish, I'm a danish... eat me, I'm a danish ⪠|
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| 02:18.02 | UncleBob | dkr: ...? |
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| 02:19.25 | dkr | I hate when people use ellipses incorrectly, but that was a Weird Al Yankovic parody of the song "Amadeus" |
| 02:19.36 | karsten | dkr: .... |
| 02:20.08 | Goozko | need some assistance |
| 02:20.14 | UncleBob | dkr: Incorrectly? =P |
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| 02:20.41 | karsten | Goozko: Ask |
| 02:21.06 | dkr | UncleBob: yeah, like to indicate a pause in a song, rather than the omission of words. :) |
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| 02:21.28 | karsten | dkr: Well, given that so many keyboards are lacking in musical rests. |
| 02:21.35 | karsten | (Let alone armrests) |
| 02:21.45 | Goozko | how do you remove the unecessary packages warning from apt-get, i see there are some packages like metacity and others which i think are not orphan or sth, and apt-get stills ask me to use autoremove option with them |
| 02:22.24 | UncleBob | dkr: That song has ellipses written in the lyrics? =P |
| 02:22.55 | karsten | Goozko: it usually indicates a package you installed from a (no longer listed) repo, or from third-party sources. What specific packages? |
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| 02:23.21 | Goozko | gnome-settings-daemon |
| 02:23.28 | Goozko | for example, i wont remove that one |
| 02:23.55 | Goozko | how do you avoid thaty msg, i really don't remember what package i removed.... |
| 02:24.08 | Goozko | *which package |
| 02:24.27 | abrotman | Goozko: unmarkauto |
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| 02:24.41 | abrotman | Goozko: or mark them 'installed' instead of 'auto' |
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| 02:25.07 | Goozko | sorry but how do i do that |
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| 02:25.19 | Goozko | mark each pkg as installed |
| 02:26.37 | abrotman | man aptitude |
| 02:26.46 | Goozko | a simple install? |
| 02:26.52 | Goozko | let me try |
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| 02:29.39 | Goozko | seems to work, thank you all |
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| 02:30.41 | kazagistar | I am trying to install kde4.2 on a squeeze system. I followed the instructions here (http://linuxsaga.com/guide/kde-42-in-debian-testing-lenny) and added the Sid and Experimental repos, and then set them to low pin priority... however, most of the packages are missing; the top level packages are there, but none of the dependancies |
| 02:36.48 | unomi | how can I connect to a MS SQL server from debian? |
| 02:37.37 | dkr | that question makes my brain hurt. :) |
| 02:37.53 | unomi | im not too happy about it either |
| 02:37.54 | dkr | hrm, maybe using odbc with perl's DBI? |
| 02:38.05 | karsten | unomi: You can. The same client that supports Sybase. |
| 02:38.13 | unomi | just need to get in and do a data dump to move it to mysql |
| 02:38.42 | unomi | or at least find out what is going on in it |
| 02:38.47 | unomi | ok |
| 02:39.21 | abrotman | unomi: with which language? |
| 02:39.32 | abrotman | unomi: or you mean like enterprise manager? |
| 02:39.40 | unomi | gui would be nice |
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| 02:39.54 | abrotman | maybe tora ? not sure if that will do a mssql dump |
| 02:39.56 | dkr | perl,python, php all have mssql connection stuff |
| 02:39.58 | karsten | unomi: For GUI: rdesktop and Windows. |
| 02:40.08 | unomi | mhhm |
| 02:40.11 | karsten | *Maybe* tora, but I doubt it. |
| 02:40.27 | unomi | tora only lists postgresql as service provider here |
| 02:40.27 | karsten | unomi: freetds: http://le-gall.net/pierrick/en/blog/index.php?post/2007/10/22/104-debian-linux-as-a-microsoft-sql-server-client |
| 02:40.38 | oobe | does debian testing have 2.6.29 kernels |
| 02:40.48 | abrotman | not yet |
| 02:40.59 | abrotman | unomi: it will do mssql via odbc |
| 02:41.05 | karsten | unomi: specifically sqlrelay-freetds |
| 02:41.06 | oobe | ok ty |
| 02:41.26 | unomi | thanks karsten |
| 02:41.34 | unomi | and abrotman and everyone :) |
| 02:41.38 | karsten | unomi: I've used it but it was about 5 years ago |
| 02:41.59 | karsten | unomi: sqsh also IIRC, see that page for details. |
| 02:42.36 | karsten | unomi: Might also take a look at: http://linas.org/linux/db.html |
| 02:43.36 | karsten | unomi: MS SQL Server is based on Sybase Server, and most of the old Sybase utilities work w/ mssqsrv as well. |
| 02:43.43 | karsten | mssqlsrv |
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| 02:52.41 | matt76761 | when I use for example "aptitude search ntfsprogs" I get a response: "p ntfsprogs - tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux". What does this "p" stand for? |
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| 02:54.07 | abrotman | matt76761: probably means 'purged' .. not installed, never installed |
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| 02:55.17 | abrotman | i guess that description isn't very accurate .. it means it's currently not installed, and has no conf files on the system |
| 02:55.51 | matt76761 | abrotman: ok, but is there a similar option for apt-get? I mean option for showing the state of searched package in my system? |
| 02:56.23 | abrotman | you should probably be using aptitude anyways |
| 02:56.37 | abrotman | but if you use `dpkg -l ntfsprogs` or `apt-cache policy ntfsprogs` |
| 02:56.40 | matt76761 | abrotman: why? isn't it just a frontend for apt-get? |
| 02:56.41 | karsten | matt76761: what abrotman said. |
| 02:56.51 | karsten | matt76761: ...and still what abrotman said. |
| 02:56.53 | karsten | !aptitude |
| 02:56.53 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>. |
| 02:56.59 | karsten | !why aptitude |
| 02:56.59 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 02:57.26 | karsten | matt76761: aptitude replaces apt-get. It is the preferred and recommended tool to use. Use it. It's better. It saves kittens. |
| 02:58.04 | karsten | matt76761: apt-get is slated to be replaced, silently, with an alias to 'rm -rf /' in the very near future. |
| 02:58.14 | karsten | matt76761: Tuesday, I hear. |
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| 02:58.28 | karsten | Which one they won't tell us, but treat it as if that were the case. |
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| 02:59.42 | beardy | !beer karsten |
| 02:59.42 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Guinness for karsten |
| 02:59.53 | iv4o_ | Good evening pinguins : ) |
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| 03:01.37 | Mood | whoops\ |
| 03:01.45 | unomi | ah nice, thanks again |
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| 03:08.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | noooooooooooo |
| 03:09.06 | Supaplex | farts in your general direction |
| 03:09.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and apt-get saves kittens, too! |
| 03:09.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude makes baby-jesus cry! |
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| 03:10.00 | Supaplex | real men install with ar and tar. |
| 03:10.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, that's slackware, though, I think |
| 03:10.33 | abrotman | the .deb files are ar and tar |
| 03:10.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, yes, if you want to become technical about it |
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| 03:11.10 | abrotman | i think he was |
| 03:11.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... smelled biological to me |
| 03:12.21 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: that was his fart |
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| 03:13.22 | matt76761 | I have a desktop system and I am logged in as USER. I need to make other file system on USER's /home partition. Do I have to reboot the machine and choose single user mode from GRUB menu? |
| 03:17.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.46 | matt76761 | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, I have a separate partition for /home and at the moment it is ext3, but I would like it to be NTFS. |
| 03:19.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's empty? |
| 03:20.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and having /home as ntfs is not such a great idea |
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| 03:21.49 | matt76761 | CutMeOwnThroat: I have Windows 7 on another partition and it is not able to read ext3(ext3 FS driver for Windows will not work properly even in compatibility mode). On this /home partition there are files for this user named USER. |
| 03:22.19 | beardy | hands CutMeOwnThroat a plonkbat. |
| 03:22.21 | schutzhund | you lost me at "Windows 7" |
| 03:22.46 | matt76761 | CutMeOwnThroat: /home contains "Desktop", "Documents", "KiCad-tiiu", "Music", "Pictures", "Public", "screen-configurations.xml", "Templates", "Videos" |
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| 03:23.18 | matt76761 | schutzhund: whats wrong with Windows7? :) |
| 03:23.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | but home also contains .bashrc .Xauthority .forward |
| 03:23.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | .ssh |
| 03:23.29 | schutzhund | two words: Microsoft Beta |
| 03:23.40 | karsten | Supaplex: Been there, done that, got the t-shirt (ar & tar) |
| 03:23.41 | jpinx-eeepc | matt76761: there are several solutions to reading ext3 from windows |
| 03:24.10 | matt76761 | schutzhund: I find Windows 7 to be a great OS. |
| 03:24.15 | galen | is there a handy link to download debian unstable ISOs? |
| 03:24.30 | karsten | Supaplex: Using the potato base2_2.tgz iether sneakernetted or uuencoded and trnasferred over SLIP onto ramdisks in Toms' Root Boot via minicom. |
| 03:24.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | matt76761, you can have a shared partition for both systems, but it's not wise to have $HOME be ntfs |
| 03:24.36 | karsten | is *not* making that up. |
| 03:24.38 | matt76761 | jpinx-eeepc: yeah, but they will not work under Windows 7 |
| 03:24.55 | schutzhund | really? Well... I like to wait until there is usually.... oh say, two service packs :P |
| 03:25.00 | jpinx-eeepc | matt76761: the windows native extfs reader might not work but there are other freeware solutions out ther |
| 03:25.23 | karsten | There's and ext2fs driver, and explore2fs |
| 03:25.32 | karsten | But that's not a Debian problem. |
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| 03:26.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | matt76761, also, putting a new filesystem on a partition erases all data |
| 03:27.04 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: technically, it doesn't. |
| 03:27.22 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: It will generate inodes, but doesn't scramble bytes elsewhere. |
| 03:27.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | matt76761, use gparted to shrink the partition that is /home, then make a new additional ntfs partitions and move the shared files there |
| 03:27.30 | jpinx-eeepc | you can still get the data back |
| 03:27.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, practically, it does |
| 03:27.42 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: It generally makes recovering data somewhat more of a PITA. |
| 03:27.49 | karsten | decides it's gymtime. |
| 03:27.51 | jpinx-eeepc | ddrescue will find it easily |
| 03:27.57 | jpinx-eeepc | or is it dd_rescue |
| 03:28.03 | jpinx-eeepc | I can never remember which |
| 03:28.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, it erases it the same way (actually more) that files were erased under dos on a fat filesystem... |
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| 03:28.11 | karsten | jpinx-eeepc: One or the other. |
| 03:28.21 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh, you mean not at all! |
| 03:28.23 | matt76761 | jpinx-eeepc: I tried with http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs and http://www.fs-driver.org/ but both didn't work under Win7 |
| 03:28.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, I mean totally and irrevocably for the clueless :) |
| 03:28.46 | jpinx-eeepc | matt76761: giyf |
| 03:28.50 | ionuu | hello all. I always seem to see a .gstreamer-0.10 dir generated in my home |
| 03:28.53 | ionuu | i don't use gstreamer |
| 03:28.58 | ionuu | (purely alsa) |
| 03:28.58 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: dd if=/dev/zero of=<device> is generally sufficient. Even the guys who talk about serious disk forensics are pretty much suggesting that now. |
| 03:29.11 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Do I *look* blonde? |
| 03:29.16 | ionuu | the dir contains registry.x86_64.bin |
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| 03:29.32 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: better to use /dev/random |
| 03:29.37 | jpinx-eeepc | or is it /dev/ran |
| 03:29.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, well, would you mkfs.ntfs on a partition with important data? |
| 03:29.50 | rebel_kid | how can i get the ip address of a specific interface? ie eth0 |
| 03:29.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, you sound a bit like you would... and yes, that's pretty blonde |
| 03:30.00 | ionuu | rebel_kid: ifconfig eth0 |
| 03:30.00 | unomi | rebel_kid: ifconfig |
| 03:30.05 | jpinx-eeepc | checks karsten 's armpits -- yep - blonde :) |
| 03:30.16 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I missed the start of that. |
| 03:30.20 | matt76761 | jpinx-eeepc: what is giyf? |
| 03:30.28 | karsten | jpinx-eeepc: Do you have the toxic environment equipment for that? |
| 03:30.36 | jpinx-eeepc | google is your friend |
| 03:30.36 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: http://picpaste.com/SeaDingo.jpg |
| 03:31.01 | rebel_kid | ionuu, unomi perfect, finally got something to work |
| 03:31.02 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: if you're *relying* on a format to wipe data: no, it doesn't. |
| 03:31.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, the start was "I have a desktop system and I am logged in as USER. I need to make other file system on USER's /home partition. Do I have to reboot the machine and choose single user mode from GRUB menu?" and I'm not yet sure what the REAL question is |
| 03:31.16 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: if you're relying on reading the data currently residing on the partition: no, don't reformat it. |
| 03:31.27 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Point. |
| 03:31.28 | jpinx-eeepc | matt76761: it really is not a debian problem - more of a windows problem |
| 03:32.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, he wants to change the partition to ntfs, which would be |
| 03:32.20 | rebel_kid | how can i change the host of a machine? i have clones of the same machine but i would like them to have different names on the network |
| 03:32.29 | jpinx-eeepc | he could make a filesystem in a file and loop it :) |
| 03:32.33 | matt76761 | CutMeOwnThroat: why is NTFS as $HOME a bad solution? Is it unstable? As far as I have heard ntfs-3g is rock solid.. |
| 03:32.36 | schutzhund | rebel_kid: hostname |
| 03:32.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, right... clever... now THAT'd make it easy to access from win7 |
| 03:33.10 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: as I said - it's a windows problem :) |
| 03:33.15 | rebel_kid | schutzhund, thats what i thought but it didnt look like it changed, the command line still says <user>@<old hostname>:# |
| 03:33.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | matt76761, it's not a unix-type filesystem, it doesn't have sockets or soft-links and it doesn't use the same owner/right system |
| 03:33.32 | schutzhund | you have to restart something |
| 03:33.44 | rebel_kid | schutzhund, the system has been restarted since |
| 03:34.09 | jpinx-eeepc | matt76761: ext3 is not your problem - your problem is that windows can't read it |
| 03:34.10 | unomi | what happens when you type 'hostname' in the shell? |
| 03:34.28 | schutzhund | well, you could modify /etc/hosts |
| 03:34.37 | jpinx-eeepc | unomi: try it and see |
| 03:34.47 | unomi | jpinx-eeepc: funny |
| 03:34.57 | jpinx-eeepc | is serious |
| 03:35.14 | unomi | guess that lil screen of yours makes it hard to see i was talking to rebel_kid? ;) |
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| 03:35.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, having a shared ntfs partition is a valid solution, only putting $HOME in it is not |
| 03:35.40 | jpinx-eeepc | unomi: then addres your comments correctly |
| 03:35.52 | unomi | jpinx-eeepc: ok |
| 03:35.52 | rebel_kid | unomi, what? |
| 03:36.10 | unomi | rebel_kid: what happens when you type 'hostname' in the shell? |
| 03:36.12 | freinhard | i tried to backport python-poppler from unstable to lenny. everything builds fine but i finally can't install it cause it depends on python-suppoert >=0.90 |
| 03:36.32 | rebel_kid | unomi, i get the old hostname |
| 03:36.37 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: sure sharing is cool - but debian wants ext3 for it's home dir |
| 03:36.54 | unomi | in not sure what the issue with using ext2/3? |
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| 03:37.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | rebel_kid, the hostname is only the what the machine itself thinks it's called (and is rather irrelevant - look in /etc/hostname and possibly /etc/hosts for that) it gets the fqdn from a DNS-server e.g. via dhcp |
| 03:37.22 | unomi | if you want to access it from win7, run linux in a vm, mount it, netshare it and net mount it on win |
| 03:37.47 | jpinx-eeepc | matt76761: you'd have to write .etc/fstab with ntfs-3g to be done at boottime |
| 03:37.53 | unomi | rebel_kid: man hostname will show you how to set it temporarily |
| 03:38.02 | jpinx-eeepc | matt76761: on the home dir |
| 03:38.02 | rebel_kid | CutMeOwnThroat, there isnt a dhcp server on the network, the network is just a small cluster |
| 03:38.11 | rebel_kid | CutMeOwnThroat, when i restart it goes back to its old hostname |
| 03:38.30 | jpinx-eeepc | matt76761: and I am not sure about the filenaming regimes being totally compatible |
| 03:38.47 | unomi | rebel_kid: then you haven't set it in /etc/hostname |
| 03:38.58 | rebel_kid | unomi, thanks i will set it there manually |
| 03:39.26 | unomi | remember though that it only affects what the machine itself thinks it is |
| 03:39.29 | grendal_prime | Im trying to setup a ha apache cluster...(two apache2 servers whos /var/www/ is mounted onto a redundant file server "san".) This is being built in a vm enviro. I have everything working on the apache2's and they are able to both see the web dir, but i cannot seem to get them to fail over. Im very lost with the heartbeat here. It seems way complicated for what its doing. Cany anyone help me out with this for a bit? |
| 03:39.44 | unomi | if you try to access it from another machine they too will have to know which ip it should be at |
| 03:39.54 | pab | Is it normal to have to adjust the route table to vpn into a windows lan? |
| 03:40.14 | unomi | either by you setting it in /etc/hosts or setting up a dns server |
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| 03:42.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell rebel_kid -about hostname |
| 03:42.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | and dpkg is NEVER wrong! |
| 03:43.06 | rebel_kid | CutMeOwnThroat, lol thank you |
| 03:43.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | rebel_kid, you can have different static ips as well... |
| 03:43.27 | unomi | !tell me about hostname |
| 03:43.36 | rebel_kid | i figured it out, i edited the files manually and it seems to stick |
| 03:43.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell unomi -about selftell |
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| 03:44.15 | rebel_kid | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah i have static ips configured on all the machines, the hostname is more preference than anything |
| 03:45.34 | unomi | grendal_prime: what is supposed to happen? |
| 03:45.55 | unomi | one disappears and the other one maps to the hostname? |
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| 03:49.27 | JordiGH | How is EXA acceleration coming along for the intel driver? |
| 03:51.15 | beardy | !what does CutMeOwnThroat pay you for |
| 03:51.16 | dpkg | normally CutMeOwnThroat pays me for anal stimulation, beardy, but I've really had enough... |
| 03:51.28 | beardy | Never wrong. |
| 03:51.29 | hark | JordiGH: all UXA now |
| 03:51.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | ewwww |
| 03:51.50 | JordiGH | hark: What? They dropped EXA? |
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| 03:55.15 | shardz_ | what is ice weasle> |
| 03:55.33 | frankS2 | firefox |
| 03:55.43 | shardz_ | a hexed firefox or what? |
| 03:55.58 | frankS2 | shardz_: because debian didnt like the firefox nam |
| 03:55.58 | frankS2 | e |
| 03:56.25 | hark | !why iceweasel |
| 03:56.26 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 03:56.26 | dokin | frankS2, not exactly how it went down |
| 03:56.38 | rebel_kid | im getting an SIOCSIFADDR: No such device error when restarting networking, what could cause that |
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| 03:57.41 | shardz_ | ah ok, so it really is up to date firefox then (?) |
| 03:57.46 | schutzhund | yeah |
| 03:57.54 | shardz_ | cool |
| 03:58.18 | rebel_kid | that error prevents eth0 from being setup, the same /etc/network/interfaces works in another virtual machine with identical settings |
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| 04:01.41 | schutzhund | oh geez, Sean Connery is dead |
| 04:01.48 | Mood | WTF!?! |
| 04:01.52 | Mood | whaaaatt? no way |
| 04:02.53 | hark | rebel_kid: check your interfaces file and see /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 04:03.35 | grendal_prime | unomi: well i want both of the apache2 servers running. They both point to the same content (both /var/www/ dir's are mounting another machine) But if the primary "node1" we will call it..fails..."like someone shuts it off by accident" "node2" will automatically (via heartbeat) realize that node one is offline. and reconfigure eth1(wich is not up at all at this point) to the "virtual" ip address. |
| 04:03.37 | oobe | schutzhund, where did you hear that |
| 04:03.46 | rebel_kid | hark, ok thats weird i have eth1 and eth2 |
| 04:03.59 | rebel_kid | hark, now the question is which is which :P |
| 04:04.15 | oobe | http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2007/04/sean_connery_is_not_dead.html |
| 04:04.37 | grendal_prime | the problem i seem to be having is that..apache i believe is running all on its own..with nothing to do with the hearbeat app. |
| 04:04.43 | schutzhund | ah, nm hoax |
| 04:05.00 | grendal_prime | but the heartbeat app is not starting up the secondary nic. |
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| 04:05.41 | hark | rebel_kid: try readlink /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver/module |
| 04:06.03 | hark | rebel_kid: change eth0 to eth1 and eth2 |
| 04:06.14 | rebel_kid | hark, its not much of a problem, a couple quick tests show that eth1 is eth0 and eth2 is eth1 so i will just change the interfaces file |
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| 04:07.24 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:07.46 | grendal_prime | ya i have two nics in each apache box. |
| 04:08.24 | adb | and a serial maybe |
| 04:08.41 | adb | crossover |
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| 04:09.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | grendal_prime, what if the machine where the disk is mounted from fails... |
| 04:09.11 | grendal_prime | each with...well say node1 eth0 = 192.168.1.1 and node2 eth0 = 192.168.1.2 this is what i thought hb would communicate over. |
| 04:09.36 | grendal_prime | CutMeOwnThroat: that is a good point...accept that it is running on vmware on a netapps san. |
| 04:09.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | what good do 2 vmwares do? |
| 04:10.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're both on the same physical machine |
| 04:10.33 | grendal_prime | no, they are both on two different vmware esx hosts |
| 04:10.48 | grendal_prime | and they are set with infinity so they never get vmotioned onto the same host. |
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| 04:11.22 | grendal_prime | fat bastards....really not cheeps i might add.. |
| 04:11.27 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 04:11.42 | grendal_prime | its a nice setup...but anyway...back to the other sichiation. |
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| 04:14.01 | grendal_prime | each node also has a second nic...and my understanding from the howto's ive read, heartbeat will set that nic up with the ipaddress of my choosing. Like say 192.168.1.3. It will assign that to node1 and in the event that node two looses comm with node1 hb assigns that to its second nic. |
| 04:14.11 | grendal_prime | am i incorrect in how this is supposed to work? |
| 04:15.00 | grendal_prime | the working nic only gets ifup'ed by node2 when node one is no longer reachabele via the 192.168.1.1-2 nics. |
| 04:16.07 | grendal_prime | by the way we are trying this for other reasons besides just ha. Mainly for on the fly adjustments to production stuff...we can fall over from one to the other, make config adjustments then fail it back when we have what we need done. |
| 04:16.13 | adb | no, hb bring up a second machine if first is down, |
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| 04:16.39 | adb | not a second IP |
| 04:16.54 | adb | etc |
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| 04:17.07 | grendal_prime | the fact that this is running on a 4 host esx cluster is pretty redundent already. But unfortunatly hot ghostes of running vms will not be available for few more months and we need this now. |
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| 04:18.00 | grendal_prime | adb? are you sure about that? because we had this working with two running vms..using drbd. |
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| 04:19.09 | grendal_prime | they were both running...hb reconfiged the nics, and failed over to the drbd mount. We decided drdb on top of the san was just not nessary and it made for two many constriction factors when it came to alocated hd space. |
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| 04:19.24 | adb | hb is a hardware redundant not IP or software failure |
| 04:20.48 | grendal_prime | yaaa...i'm pretty sure it can be used like this... |
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| 04:21.14 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.17 | grendal_prime | In order to be useful to users, the Heartbeat daemon needs to be combined with a cluster resource manager (CRM) which has the task of starting and stopping the services (IP addresses, web servers, etc) that cluster will make highly available. |
| 04:22.50 | grendal_prime | ya adb but in a virtual enviro..you are dealing with pc's |
| 04:22.57 | grendal_prime | they are just fake pc's |
| 04:23.30 | grendal_prime | still behave the same way though...when one goes offline..its thought of as having a hardware failure. |
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| 04:24.49 | adb | yes when one has hardware failure , than what hapends ? |
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| 05:12.05 | FunnyMan3595 | I just finished installing Debian on my OLPC, and I'm having a bit of a hardware problem. Namely, the firmware for the wireless is in /lib/firmware, but when I modprobe the driver, the firmware isn't found. |
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| 05:14.37 | FunnyMan3595 | Offhand, the only possible explanation I can think of is that the kernel and modules were stolen from the RedHat USB I debootstrap'd off of. |
| 05:15.15 | FunnyMan3595 | But I'm at a loss for why that would only fail noticably in this spot. |
| 05:15.44 | FunnyMan3595 | Any suggestions? |
| 05:16.26 | hark | what does lspci -nn tell about the wireless card? |
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| 05:17.15 | hark | also, make sure the firmware is not in a separate directory under /lib/firmware/ |
| 05:18.18 | FunnyMan3595 | hark: It's a USB card, and I've run through the instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/libertas |
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| 05:18.37 | hark | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.48 | FunnyMan3595 | hark: Installed. |
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| 05:20.09 | hark | try with a debian kernel |
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| 05:20.24 | FunnyMan3595 | Yeah, that's what I was afraid you'd say. |
| 05:25.21 | FunnyMan3595 | hark: It'll be nice whenever I finally get the wireless working, so I can stop switching between Debian and the USB. |
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| 05:28.57 | FunnyMan3595 | hark: I'm starting to feel like a distribution chameleon. My usual systems run Gentoo, the OLPC is normally based off of Fedora, the USB is RedHat, and I'm trying to get to Debian. |
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| 05:30.27 | mosno | FunnyMan3595: welcome to my world |
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| 05:33.32 | Ansugo | FunnyMan3595, thank god you've so many choices :) |
| 05:34.06 | FunnyMan3595 | Ansugo: I don't know, if this hydra had fewer heads, maybe it would be easier to tame! ;) |
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| 05:35.00 | Ansugo | :) agreed. so may be you can choose more "universal" one which can be called "debian" |
| 05:35.57 | matt76761 | I would like to use a blank password. However, for some reason "passwd -d username" doesn't work. Why? |
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| 05:37.59 | matt76761 | I mean "passwd -d username" will say, that "password changed", but when I insetr "su username", it still asks for a password. When I just press Enter, it will say " Authentication failure". Why doesn't "passwd -d username" work? |
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| 05:52.26 | FunnyMan3595 | matt76761: You may have a security policy that forbids blank passwords. |
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| 05:53.36 | matt76761 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.18 | FunnyMan3595 | matt76761: Never tried. My guess would be that PAM is the culprit, but I'm shooting in the dark here. |
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| 06:02.36 | mandric | hi i'm running etch and was planning on upgrading my php + mysql + apache ... how risky is it? |
| 06:02.49 | mandric | i'm mainly just running one drupal site and a bunch of django sites. |
| 06:02.56 | mandric | big drupal site |
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| 06:03.29 | liable | mandric: you should upgrade the whole box to lenny really |
| 06:03.38 | mandric | liable: ugh |
| 06:03.58 | aspin | how do I switch from php4.4.4-8 to php5.2 on etch plz |
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| 06:04.24 | aspin | both are installed but I have a script that needs v5+ |
| 06:04.34 | mandric | aspin: you should be able to uninstall 4 and install 5 |
| 06:04.46 | mandric | you probably don't need 4? |
| 06:05.01 | aspin | both are there, phpinfo tells me 4.4.4-8 at the mo |
| 06:05.19 | aspin | do I just uninstall it and the other will take its place? |
| 06:05.26 | mandric | can you uninstall php 4? |
| 06:05.54 | aspin | I expect so with a command, just making sure, dont want to break my server |
| 06:06.14 | mandric | liable: so you mean do a dist-upgrade? |
| 06:06.24 | stew | aspin: what are you using php with? apache? apache2? cgi? cli? |
| 06:06.31 | aspin | apache2 |
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| 06:06.41 | stew | aspin: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 06:06.47 | liable | mandric: yes, follow the release notes |
| 06:06.59 | liable | mandric: /msg dpkg release notes |
| 06:07.05 | FunnyMan3595 | matt76761: Check /etc/pam.d/system-auth . If yours is set up like mine (which it may not be, since mine's from Gentoo), there should be a line that says "auth required pam_unix.so <options>" The option "nullok" would make PAM allow empty passwords. BE CAREFUL. Getting that file wrong can make it impossible to login/su/sudo. |
| 06:07.24 | aspin | stew: will that set up my server to use php5? |
| 06:07.31 | stew | aspin: yes |
| 06:07.38 | aspin | ty, back in a bit |
| 06:07.49 | mandric | liable: well i can't do a release upgrade right now |
| 06:09.20 | aspin | stew: Your PHP installation appears to be missing the MySQL extension which is required by WordPress. |
| 06:09.32 | stew | aspin: aptitude install php5-mysql |
| 06:10.09 | aspin | nothing installed |
| 06:11.13 | FunnyMan3595 | aspin, stew: apt-get wasn't finding that one to install for me, but happily pulled it in when I installed mediawiki. |
| 06:11.18 | aspin | 5.2 is installed now but my sites have gone down? |
| 06:11.48 | FunnyMan3595 | Not sure if that helps you any. |
| 06:13.46 | aspin | just trying a reboot |
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| 06:18.20 | aspin | stew: all ok again, thanks |
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| 06:19.11 | aspin | plugin working too :) |
| 06:19.39 | aspin | should I get rid of php4 now or just leave it |
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| 06:26.03 | omid8bimo | hey guys, how can i activate linux kernel ip advanced router? |
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| 06:27.34 | enouf | omid8bimo: explain what that is |
| 06:28.14 | enouf | an option to a netfilter module? an module option for an AP? |
| 06:28.38 | enouf | or, do you mean lartc? |
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| 06:28.57 | omid8bimo | enouf: i'm reading this iproute document and it says for advance routing i should enbale IP:advance routing and policy routing |
| 06:29.03 | enouf | !lartc |
| 06:29.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
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| 06:29.25 | omid8bimo | enouf: yup in lartc |
| 06:29.31 | enouf | Kernel config option then |
| 06:30.04 | omid8bimo | how can i find out if it's already enabled in my lenny? |
| 06:30.51 | sepski | omid8bimo, /boot/config-version |
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| 06:31.12 | sepski | replace version with your actual version number ofcourse |
| 06:31.20 | sepski | uname -r |
| 06:31.38 | omid8bimo | sepski: so then? it's 2.6.26 |
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| 06:32.12 | virtu | I want to install on a virtual partition but have grub on a primary partition. Will that work? |
| 06:32.24 | omid8bimo | CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER=y |
| 06:32.30 | omid8bimo | does this mean it's enabled? |
| 06:33.18 | sepski | virtu, i usualy make a 200 mb or so /boot partition that is primary then the rest can be whatever you like |
| 06:33.42 | sepski | viru i'd recomend lvm tho. it have a learning curve but you'll never regret climbing that one. |
| 06:33.45 | enouf | omid8bimo: yep |
| 06:34.11 | enouf | omid8bimo: though, not sure that's the only option you need, nor if any other possible modules need options |
| 06:35.02 | virtu | sepski, so, can I have /just/ grub on a primary partition, or do I also need the initrd and other stuff that's in /boot? |
| 06:36.10 | enouf | omid8bimo: grep CONFIG_IP_ /boot/config-`uname -r` to see other (not all) ones - m==module, y==yes, n==no |
| 06:36.46 | enouf | s/(not all)/(not all possibly needed)/ |
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| 06:38.47 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:40.20 | liable | moin |
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| 06:41.04 | omid8bimo | enouf: thanks dude |
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| 06:43.59 | sepski | viru well grub stage1 is allways on a mbr (of the disk or a partition) and the rest should be in /boot/grub. having just grub is uncharted territory. so i do not know if that works. use /boot if you want something that works. |
| 06:44.50 | nordc | need a little help to understand something. my application is connected to a server on the internet; does the flow of date goes thru the eth and lo or just the eth? |
| 06:46.32 | nordc | anyone? |
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| 06:47.02 | enouf | s/date/data? |
| 06:47.13 | nordc | data |
| 06:47.14 | nordc | sorry |
| 06:47.41 | enouf | nordc: watch tail /proc/net/dev and do stuff ;-) |
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| 06:48.04 | nordc | does it go like this app ---> lo -- eth -- server on the net |
| 06:48.24 | nordc | enouf, i will but in the meantime |
| 06:48.25 | enouf | ifconfig -a |
| 06:49.21 | nordc | enouf, this will not help |
| 06:49.32 | virtu | sepski, will do, thanks |
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| 06:49.57 | nordc | ifconfig just shows the interfaces |
| 06:50.13 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.13 | nordc | i need logic |
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| 06:50.40 | enouf | you need more than that my friend |
| 06:50.48 | nordc | i guess so |
| 06:50.55 | nordc | would you mind telling me |
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| 06:51.04 | enouf | telling you what? |
| 06:51.10 | nordc | how it goes |
| 06:51.40 | nordc | app -- lo -- eth -- server or just app -- eth -- server |
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| 06:52.27 | saTTY | i have problem with X in lenny |
| 06:52.29 | enouf | depends on app, bindings, server configs, etc... |
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| 06:52.40 | nordc | enouf, i don't think so |
| 06:52.45 | nordc | that i know |
| 06:52.52 | enouf | prove me wrong then |
| 06:53.08 | enouf | saTTY: what's the issue? |
| 06:53.14 | nordc | let's take a web browser |
| 06:53.36 | simNIX | lets not ;0) |
| 06:53.42 | saTTY | my x starts sometimes but not every time |
| 06:53.56 | enouf | it's seems logical to me on my setup, that lo has what i posted above, so how could that represent packets flowing through it? when eth0 shows mucho mas RX bytes:337140212 (321.5 MiB) TX bytes:80878147 (77.1 MiB) |
| 06:54.23 | enouf | saTTY: why not? |
| 06:54.36 | saTTY | its shows error |
| 06:54.43 | enouf | error says? |
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| 06:54.55 | enouf | !survey says |
| 06:55.00 | enouf | heh |
| 06:55.36 | saTTY | where i enouf space: 4 wanted 32 |
| 06:55.36 | saTTY | (II) intel(0): [drm] removed 1 reserved context for kernel |
| 06:55.36 | saTTY | (II) intel(0): [drm] unmapping 8192 bytes of SAREA 0xd822c000 at 0xb7aee000 |
| 06:55.36 | saTTY | (II) intel(0): [drm] Closed DRM master. |
| 06:55.36 | saTTY | Fatal server error: |
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| 06:56.29 | enouf | no idea how to help resolve that one |
| 06:56.30 | saTTY | pasted error and been kicked :x |
| 06:56.37 | enouf | !paste |
| 06:56.38 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 06:59.08 | enouf | saTTY: i guess i'd say take outputs of /var/log/dmesg ; /var/log/Xorg.0.log when X works an when it doesn't, run diff on them |
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| 06:59.58 | saTTY | enouf, http://paste.debian.net/36311/ |
| 07:00.23 | enouf | you might already have a failing log at Xorg.*.log.* |
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| 07:01.26 | enouf | ls -l /var/log/Xorg* |
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| 07:03.31 | saTTY | enouf ; any pointer to solve it |
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| 07:04.16 | saTTY | help me guys |
| 07:05.27 | nordc | exit |
| 07:07.40 | minsa | I am using amd-64 sid but the media player on them are not working out for me... xine, mplayer.. none of them |
| 07:08.06 | minsa | it is taking a long time to load a dvd... |
| 07:09.01 | enouf | saTTY: is that occuring during a suspend/resume - sleep/wake? |
| 07:09.14 | saTTY | no ! |
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| 07:09.16 | enouf | saTTY: lines 486-496 seem to show all is well |
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| 07:09.49 | hyper_ch | hi there, I have a strange thing with one of my user accounts on my server. When I try to login with that one, I get immediately disconnected. However logging into other accounts is just fine |
| 07:09.57 | enouf | $ diff /var/log/Xorg.0.log /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |
| 07:10.00 | saTTY | may is PM of xorg.conf |
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| 07:10.15 | enouf | cinco de mayo? |
| 07:10.15 | hyper_ch | (using ssh) |
| 07:10.39 | saTTY | when i logout it don't comeup with GDM it crases |
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| 07:12.36 | saTTY | leme try this time |
| 07:12.38 | saTTY | exit |
| 07:12.54 | liable | hyper_ch: what does auth.log say? anything interesting? |
| 07:13.13 | hyper_ch | liable: unfortunately not... wait a sec |
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| 07:15.30 | hyper_ch | liable: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/173471/ |
| 07:16.43 | liable | hyper_ch: using ubuntu paste sites doesnt exactly instil confidence you are using debian.. you havent made that account scp only or something have you? |
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| 07:17.17 | hyper_ch | liable: I am using debian on the server |
| 07:17.42 | hyper_ch | liable: and the ubuntu paste site has always worked for me contrary to stuff like pastebin.org, pastebin.ca, phpfi.com, .... |
| 07:17.56 | liable | hyper_ch: show us your sshd.conf on the server |
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| 07:18.43 | hyper_ch | liable: I think I found the problem |
| 07:19.21 | liable | which is? |
| 07:19.34 | hyper_ch | liable: your scp only comment made me check the /etc/passwd file for that user |
| 07:19.46 | hyper_ch | liable: and for some reason it was set to /bin/false instead of /bin/bash |
| 07:19.55 | liable | ah, good |
| 07:20.16 | hyper_ch | liable: not good as I don't know why it was set to /bin/false... hmmm |
| 07:20.36 | liable | depends how you created the user, adduser has a switch for that |
| 07:22.17 | hyper_ch | liable: created through confixx |
| 07:22.33 | liable | dont know what that is. best to read its docs i guess |
| 07:22.45 | hyper_ch | well, it worked for 32 other users just fine |
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| 07:23.26 | hyper_ch | oh well, I'll have to check |
| 07:23.29 | hyper_ch | liable: thx for the input |
| 07:23.33 | liable | np |
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| 07:26.44 | Supaplex | ahoy there. |
| 07:27.34 | xingu | ahoy hoy |
| 07:27.41 | Supaplex | karsten: awesome ar+tar+etc. :) nice work. I remember the good old days. all your base.tgz are belong to us. :D |
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| 07:28.34 | liable | ARRR |
| 07:28.48 | liable | !be a pirate |
| 07:28.48 | dpkg | Yeaaaar! Thar she blows! |
| 07:29.12 | Supaplex | !be a bot |
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| 07:30.33 | seriouslycgi | hi, im trying to install e17 on a second lenny box (i installed it onto the first just a few dyas ago). but when i install it from the packages.enlightenment.org site the file e17-data says Size mismatch. its the same version number as the one i got the other day, if i didnt apt-get clean can i copy the .deb file over to the newer install? |
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| 07:30.57 | Supaplex | humm. that's down right spooky. this server has 2gb of ram, which is a little more than the 1.4gb of physical drive there is in it. :) |
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| 07:32.08 | seriouslycgi | what causes size mismatches in apt-get is it data corruption or the server or something else? |
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| 07:40.55 | enouf | drive doesn't mean much these days |
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| 07:41.08 | liable | vroom vroom |
| 07:41.20 | enouf | madmax! |
| 07:41.43 | liable | tries to think of a oneliner |
| 07:42.03 | liable | fails miserably.. opens another beer |
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| 07:42.24 | enouf | swigs the scotch |
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| 07:43.43 | liable | thanks $DIETY he doesnt like spirits. the liver is punished enough with beer |
| 07:43.52 | xingu | raises an eyebrow at the early morning insobriety |
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| 07:44.02 | xingu | sun's not even above the yard arm |
| 07:44.06 | enouf | it's late night! |
| 07:44.21 | liable | points xingu to the timezones of the world. except enouf, he's a drunk! ;) |
| 07:44.28 | enouf | haha |
| 07:44.52 | xingu | bah |
| 07:44.58 | xingu | crazy talk |
| 07:45.14 | xingu | next you'll be trying to convince me that the earth revolves around the sun |
| 07:45.21 | seriouslycgi | seems you can copy the packages to another machine, now i just need to find out what is causing the size mismatch |
| 07:45.29 | enouf | thinks yeast is meant for bread - so beer is for woman :-P |
| 07:45.51 | enouf | er women* ... but nm .. |
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| 07:46.32 | a_l_e | i'm looking for a free IM with webcam support... if possible should be able to connect to windows and os x clients |
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| 07:47.04 | a_l_e | ... no dependency with desktop environments, please (no Gnome or KDE... qt or gtk are ok) |
| 07:47.25 | a_l_e | ... the goal is to use it on a eee pc (so the eee pc own webcam should be supported :-) |
| 07:47.32 | liable | enouf: yes, like this loverly lass.. http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/05/24/german460x276.jpg |
| 07:47.39 | a_l_e | .. can anybody share some experiences? |
| 07:47.52 | enouf | ogles |
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| 07:48.29 | a_l_e | i'm having a look at linphone and amsn just now... |
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| 07:48.48 | enouf | liable: ever seen say .. a bicardi mojita commercial? :-P |
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| 07:49.13 | liable | enouf: no, we only have VB adds here in strayla |
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| 07:50.38 | zmotok | hello everyone; does anyone know the reason why powerdevil (kde 4.2's power management app) is not in sid? |
| 07:51.09 | enouf | !judd versions powerdevil |
| 07:51.17 | enouf | heh |
| 07:51.19 | liable | zmotok: lots of stuff appears to be missing from kde4. give it a bit |
| 07:51.20 | enouf | judd versions powerdevil |
| 07:51.21 | judd | enouf: powerdevil -- |
| 07:51.54 | zmotok | liable: ok, thanks |
| 07:51.56 | liable | i'm still trying to work out how to get rid of the horrific red mouse pointer |
| 07:52.17 | liable | and how to change desktops with my old key combo |
| 07:52.20 | enouf | liable: !! update-alternatives --config x-cursor-themes ? |
| 07:53.07 | liable | enouf: hmm, i doubt that would do it, but i'll give it a crack if i cant work out how to do it within kde |
| 07:53.48 | liable | and how to disable the stupid sounds! |
| 07:53.51 | liable | argh |
| 07:54.01 | enouf | !bell |
| 07:54.02 | dpkg | "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell, or for .26 and newer modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module |
| 07:54.09 | enouf | see that last bit there |
| 07:54.24 | liable | nevermind the fact the knotify hogs /dev/dsp the whole time and breaks everything |
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| 07:54.33 | liable | !beat enouf |
| 07:54.33 | dpkg | beats enouf with a large stick. |
| 07:55.22 | liable | there used to be the kconfig thing, its gone AWOL in kde4 |
| 07:55.39 | enouf | liable: it's x-cursor-theme (not plural) |
| 07:55.41 | enouf | http://rafb.net/p/KHLRx344.html |
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| 07:55.49 | liable | now i have to pkill knotify to use sound. very silly |
| 07:56.22 | enouf | doesn't kde4 crap now use something called 'systemsettings' ove k control center? |
| 07:56.43 | enouf | well - i told you how to accomplish both - guess you don't care |
| 07:56.52 | liable | !slap enouf |
| 07:56.52 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across enouf's face |
| 07:57.11 | enouf | dpkg: i'm sorry |
| 07:57.12 | dpkg | enouf: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 07:57.19 | enouf | bitch |
| 07:57.20 | enouf | :-p |
| 07:57.23 | liable | ITS NOT THE BELL I WANT TO STOP |
| 07:57.28 | enouf | liable: it is too |
| 07:57.53 | enouf | or .. hrm ... wait |
| 07:58.00 | liable | me grinds teeth and does the german kid thing with his keyboard |
| 07:58.01 | valdyn | how does knotify emit sound anyway? |
| 07:58.12 | enouf | emoticons? :-P |
| 07:58.14 | valdyn | not seriously by "hogging /dev/dsp" |
| 07:58.16 | liable | what do you mean? |
| 07:58.55 | liable | valdyn: it appears to constantly hog /dev/dsp. if i login, i cant use sound till i kill it |
| 07:59.18 | valdyn | liable: like lsof /dev/dsp lists knotify? |
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| 07:59.25 | liable | valdyn: yes |
| 07:59.30 | valdyn | liable: ehehe |
| 07:59.35 | liable | how do you think i found it? |
| 07:59.38 | valdyn | liable: i didnt think kde could be as fucked up as this |
| 07:59.40 | enouf | scours the bowels of the kmenu .. looking for where the F the choice is for k control center is, since last upgrade, all on my previously used menu were wiped .. yes, i know - fire up kcontrol from an xterm .. |
| 08:00.06 | liable | valdyn: appears so. at least in 3.5 i could turn system sounds off, now i have to bluntly kill it |
| 08:00.08 | valdyn | liable: i thought kde4 uses phonon |
| 08:00.25 | valdyn | liable: and kde3 arts |
| 08:00.34 | liable | valdyn: admittedly, i need to do some homework on htf it all works now. |
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| 08:00.58 | liable | valdyn: i still see artsd. i killed that too, then mplayer wouldnt even work o_0 |
| 08:01.14 | liable | its gotten horribly intermingled |
| 08:01.23 | valdyn | liable: you need to work with artsd, not against it |
| 08:01.35 | valdyn | liable: any sound app should be routable through artsd |
| 08:01.40 | enouf | i turned that shit off years ago .. can't even find where it is anymore .. in kde 3.5.x control center |
| 08:01.48 | liable | well, killing artsd never stopped other stuff working before. it does now |
| 08:02.22 | valdyn | liable: all kde stuff uses artsd anyway |
| 08:02.31 | valdyn | liable: except for this knotify obviously |
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| 08:02.38 | valdyn | liable: or phonon... |
| 08:02.43 | liable | valdyn: yes, i want to stop the kde stuff hogging the sound device |
| 08:02.45 | enouf | artsd is entirely disabled here (well SoundServer is unticked) and has been for a while - no issues with audio here with any apps |
| 08:03.11 | valdyn | enouf: kde apps can amit sound without artsd? |
| 08:03.23 | liable | i dont need tingly music everytime i log in or open an app |
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| 08:03.37 | enouf | valdyn: i never said i wanted any kde apps to emit audio/sound |
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| 08:03.55 | liable | enouf: wait! you actually have kde? |
| 08:04.02 | enouf | mplayer / xine / etc works fine though |
| 08:04.08 | liable | i'm so gonna slap you if you do |
| 08:04.12 | xingu | I'd be a lot more impressed with all these ten billion "sound daemons" if any of them could solve the trivial problem of making multiple systems play the same stream, phaselocked with each other |
| 08:04.26 | enouf | liable: ofcourse i do ;-) |
| 08:04.27 | valdyn | xingu: whats phaselocked ? |
| 08:05.10 | xingu | valdyn: so the application is I have system A in my living room and system B in my bedroom; they both have useful-enough speakers, I want to play a song in say gstreamer and have it come out both systems without sounding like a chicken farting down a pvc tube in the process. |
| 08:05.17 | enouf | xingu: i'd be impressed if something like what pulseaudio tries to do actually worked |
| 08:05.31 | enouf | haha |
| 08:05.39 | liable | urgh, puleaudio |
| 08:05.45 | enouf | bingo |
| 08:05.52 | xingu | has experienced the joy of pulseaudio |
| 08:06.06 | xingu | it even *ought* to do the right thing because it has mcast transports |
| 08:06.10 | enouf | feels the pain |
| 08:06.11 | liable | i feel like my grandpa having to deal with all this newfangled broken shit |
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| 08:06.40 | liable | nevermind the fact that I am becoming stupendously lazy |
| 08:06.55 | valdyn | this is particularily painful in debian as you have to configure *every* app individually by yourself |
| 08:07.16 | liable | how do you configue it though? |
| 08:07.35 | valdyn | liable: thats the point, its app-dependent |
| 08:07.58 | xingu | liable: you can't fight biology; your brain starts to freeze up as you get older, you get better at taking shortcuts (key lookup -> hit -> answer) and worse at reasoning (key lookup -> miss -> rationalisation -> answer) |
| 08:08.04 | liable | valdyn: so every app now has a sound configuring widget? |
| 08:08.37 | xingu | liable: manifests in grumpy old man syndrome but it's biology that's at the root of it - you literally get less receptive to new thought because thinking gets more costly as you age. |
| 08:08.44 | valdyn | liable: every app seems to default to either oss or alsa, if I want to consolidate on something else ill have to reconfigure them all |
| 08:09.07 | valdyn | liable: and even though theres central places for some frameworks like gstreamer, theres alot of those frameworks |
| 08:09.15 | valdyn | liable: all needing their own config |
| 08:09.31 | liable | ok, time for more beer |
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| 08:09.55 | enouf | liable: this might get your "let me fucken figure this shit out" juices flowing; http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/guide-to-sound-apis.html |
| 08:10.06 | xingu | liable: unfortunately modern life rewards what we call productivity (the former, a fast result from a cache hit) which accelerates the process; if you stop using your reasoning faculties, they get harder to use. |
| 08:10.38 | enouf | xingu: (compulsive) lying costs 2x as much brain activity |
| 08:10.55 | xingu | enouf: probably explains why I feel so worn out all the time ;) |
| 08:11.14 | xingu | enouf: or is that the compulsive drinking, I forget. |
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| 08:11.48 | liable | xingu: i have recently moved my reasoning faculties to the stupid GFC, which has limited my tinkering time for debian. its not that I dont like to think, ive just been sidetracked with the prospect of losing employment and the thought of a global recession. |
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| 08:12.10 | xingu | liable: heh, you're so 2007. |
| 08:12.14 | enouf | xingu: and afternoon naps :-P |
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| 08:12.56 | liable | xingu: we are a bit slow in oz |
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| 08:13.36 | enouf | wonders (but knows) how informercials can still actually exist in such massive quantities |
| 08:14.10 | liable | nothing wrong with afternoon naps |
| 08:14.19 | liable | oh god. did i just say that? |
| 08:14.52 | xingu | liable: I tried to tell my folks back home what was going to hit them in dec '07; one of them called me hanrahan, the other called me jonah :) |
| 08:15.01 | enouf | Headline News from Networks; "Girl gets ridiculed of her weight" .,, un fucken believable |
| 08:15.21 | xingu | http://www.middlemiss.org/lit/authors/obrienj/poetry/hanrahan.html <-- if you're not au fait with the allusion |
| 08:15.37 | xingu | liable: oddly enough they're not nearly so cheeky about it now. |
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| 08:16.05 | ktwilight | :) |
| 08:16.17 | enouf | http://c-span.org/Watch/Media/2009/05/15/WJE/A/18640/Michael+Greenberger+University+of+Maryland+Law+School+Professor.aspx |
| 08:16.55 | enouf | the demise and collapse of the sheeple that actually believe in capitalism ... fairly well explained |
| 08:17.03 | ktwilight | i've got a problem with boot log. i've compiled a kernel, and it doesn't boot. there's no log in boot.log, messages, kern.log or dmesg. on the next boot (auto-failover) the boot log writes to those files. so how can i find out what went wrong in the (bad kernel) boot process? |
| 08:17.20 | ktwilight | is there something in grub that i have to set? |
| 08:17.30 | liable | xingu: i know. i have been doing the same. i didnt quite believe it myself till 18 months ago. |
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| 08:18.36 | liable | xingu: xingu now it really hits home with the very distinct possibility of losing my job. and in my feild, chances of reemployment are bleak going forward |
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| 08:19.29 | liable | ktwilight: whats the last kernel message? kernel panic, unable to mount root? |
| 08:19.49 | enouf | ktwilight: attach a serial console |
| 08:19.52 | ktwilight | liable, that's the problem, i've no clue. it's a remote server btw, and i have to rely on what debian/kernel writes to the log |
| 08:19.56 | ktwilight | enouf, can't. |
| 08:20.22 | enouf | ktwilight: ssh in from elsewhere then .. perhaps |
| 08:20.31 | ktwilight | the current kernel works fine, and i copied its config over, compiled (with the same command), installed, and modified menu.lst accordingly. |
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| 08:20.41 | ktwilight | so i'm really clueless on what else i'm doing wrong :/ |
| 08:20.58 | enouf | you compiled wrong obviously |
| 08:20.58 | liable | ktwilight: ugh, kernel compiles on a remote server when you arent totally sure you know what your doing is a recipi for disaster. can you still boot into any kernel? |
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| 08:21.19 | ktwilight | liable, well of course :) grub failover to a working kernel |
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| 08:21.32 | liable | ktwilight: you realise what an initrd does and what you have to do when you dont build one? |
| 08:21.34 | ktwilight | enouf, close to impossible. i follow the exact same steps and command as the working kernel |
| 08:21.43 | ktwilight | liable, initrd i built. |
| 08:21.47 | ktwilight | is |
| 08:21.51 | enouf | ktwilight: i'm 100% sure |
| 08:22.03 | ktwilight | maybe i should rebuild the kernel...hmmm... |
| 08:22.09 | liable | ktwilight: and the initrd shows in /boot ? |
| 08:22.15 | ktwilight | liable, yup |
| 08:22.19 | ktwilight | liable, also in menu.lst |
| 08:22.19 | enouf | and tell people versions and steps |
| 08:22.27 | enouf | compile it correctly this time |
| 08:22.28 | ktwilight | .27.1 |
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| 08:23.08 | liable | ktwilight: in that case, if you just copied over an old debian config to a newer kernel, maybe some confs have changed? |
| 08:23.10 | ktwilight | .27.21 works, .27.23 doesn't boot. make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=a1 linux-image --initrd && dpkg -i |
| 08:23.19 | enouf | the only other possibility really is your bootloader config .. as long as ALL it's entries are correct |
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| 08:23.31 | liable | hmm, shouldnt change for a minor version |
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| 08:23.37 | ktwilight | hmmm...i've looked at the changelog in .21 to .23...and nothing major |
| 08:23.40 | ktwilight | 'xactly |
| 08:23.44 | enouf | quite - however - which source? |
| 08:23.53 | enouf | and whose? |
| 08:23.53 | ktwilight | vanilla of course |
| 08:24.06 | ktwilight | though, with vserver patch :) kinda doubt that's the culprit though |
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| 08:24.15 | ktwilight | lemme post my menu.lst, just in case :) |
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| 08:24.24 | enouf | ktwilight: i'm 100% sure it is |
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| 08:24.39 | ktwilight | http://rafb.net/p/fcsh7089.html <- menu.lst |
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| 08:26.13 | enouf | i'm not, but i like to be vehement sometimes |
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| 08:27.16 | enouf | ktwilight: try passing it the older initrd - just to rule it out |
| 08:27.32 | enouf | s/older/working/ |
| 08:27.56 | enouf | since YOU did not build it ... unless you did .. in which case, that's likely the issue |
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| 08:28.11 | enouf | and - you didn't run make oldconfig |
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| 08:29.49 | enouf | well - that ain['t no Debian menu.lst |
| 08:30.13 | enouf | i know it doesn't matter - but still - who knows if you cut most shit out |
| 08:30.29 | enouf | if you did, it might matter |
| 08:30.40 | enouf | plus your RAID support is likely gone |
| 08:30.59 | enouf | and you don't use Debian anyway |
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| 08:31.19 | enouf | is done with this |
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| 08:33.12 | liable | why isnt a debian menu.list? just has custom kernels is all. |
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| 08:34.51 | ktwilight | why would it matter if it's bootable on a working kernel? |
| 08:35.03 | ktwilight | uses debian lenny for crying out loud :'( |
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| 08:36.20 | enouf | what kind of fucked up menu.lst has a ## ## End Default Options ## .. but NO BEGINNING! |
| 08:36.22 | enouf | hahahaha |
| 08:36.49 | nsadmin | a hand edited one? |
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| 08:37.06 | liable | one that wasnt fully pasted? |
| 08:37.07 | cemunal | hi all |
| 08:37.28 | ktwilight | and it matters 'cuz...debian don't like to boot without ### BEGINNING? |
| 08:37.33 | cemunal | ftp.debian.org « which country? |
| 08:37.51 | liable | cemunal: what do you mean? |
| 08:38.20 | nsadmin | ktwilight: there are automatic tools to write the menu.lst |
| 08:38.41 | ktwilight | nsadmin, ah k, am not aware of 'em. worth a shot? |
| 08:38.48 | ktwilight | i really doubt the menu.lst is the problem though |
| 08:39.00 | nsadmin | but if your machine is not booting, the problem is not the lack of a comment |
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| 08:39.10 | liable | ktwilight: why on earth are you using 2.6.27 anyway? there was never a debian kernel for 2.6.27. where did you copy the config from? |
| 08:39.25 | cemunal | liable, what must i do to select being apt source the "ftp.debian.org" while installing debian? |
| 08:39.36 | ktwilight | liable, am just testing .27 'cuz of a latest patch from vserver |
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| 08:39.58 | ktwilight | liable, config is copied from the working kernel, in this case .27.21 |
| 08:40.03 | nsadmin | cemunal: use a text editor on /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:40.05 | ktwilight | both of which are vserver patched. |
| 08:40.14 | liable | cemunal: during install, the installer will give you a choice to chose from the country of your timezone |
| 08:40.34 | cisticola | Hi, I have a usb turntable but recording volume on maximum is seriously inadequate using audacity. is there any way to increase it? |
| 08:40.45 | cemunal | liable, which country "ftp.debian.org" in? |
| 08:40.54 | liable | usb turntable? |
| 08:40.57 | liable | cemunal: USA |
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| 08:41.17 | liable | cemunal: dont use ftp.debian.org though, use ftp.us.debian.org |
| 08:41.30 | riri55559 | i have installed debian 5.1, how do i update the kernel? |
| 08:41.30 | cemunal | liable, i can't see the repo in USA. |
| 08:41.44 | liable | riri55559: are you actually installing now? |
| 08:41.54 | cisticola | liable: its a lp record turntable with a usb output |
| 08:42.00 | riri55559 | liable: ive already installed ist |
| 08:42.12 | nsadmin | riri55559 so everything is running? |
| 08:42.19 | liable | cisticola: funky. is it a good turntable? |
| 08:42.23 | riri55559 | nsadmin: yes |
| 08:42.29 | liable | riri55559: what country are you in? |
| 08:42.43 | nsadmin | riri55559 so why change? |
| 08:42.50 | riri55559 | liable: i'm in germany |
| 08:43.00 | cisticola | liable: no, its from aldi :( |
| 08:43.17 | liable | !mirror list |
| 08:43.17 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>. |
| 08:43.30 | riri55559 | nsadmin: i need the new kernel to activate opengl support in virtualbox, lenny is installed in a virtual box |
| 08:43.31 | liable | riri55559: ^^ go there and pick a .de one |
| 08:44.04 | liable | cisticola: /me rubs his 1210 techincs :P |
| 08:44.31 | cisticola | liable: but even my wife can handle one usb plug |
| 08:45.00 | nsadmin | when you plug a usb device into her, does it come up right away? |
| 08:45.09 | liable | hah |
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| 08:45.25 | riri55559 | how do i install the update manager and synaptics? |
| 08:45.46 | enouf | ktwilight: i was trying to ascertain if you did or did NOT paste the entire contents of menu.lst or not! - other things in a standard debian menu.lst CAN and have an affect - you are now going into my bozo box. So for all your giggerish - even AFTER i mentioned, "[04:26:05] <enouf> i know it doesn't matter - but still - who knows if you cut most shit out" you still have not responded to the REAL information given to you |
| 08:45.54 | nsadmin | aptitude install synaptic |
| 08:46.08 | riri55559 | nsadmin: and the update manager? |
| 08:46.10 | cisticola | nsadmin: I'll have to try that |
| 08:46.22 | nsadmin | whatever package it's in |
| 08:46.29 | ktwilight | enouf, what information? all the relevant stuff is in there. nothing more nothing less. |
| 08:46.36 | enouf | so .. you deserve all the misery you pull onto yourseld |
| 08:46.39 | nsadmin | what's an update manager? |
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| 08:47.16 | liable | there is one, i forget its name |
| 08:47.21 | mib_38o16k | how do i get apt to stop trying to start lighty after every install? I needed it for utility I installed, but I don't actually want it to be used. :( |
| 08:47.29 | nsadmin | if apt-get, aptitude &etc is not one, what is it? :) |
| 08:47.52 | mib_38o16k | and does imagemagick really need to pull in... all of X? :( |
| 08:47.52 | liable | up<something> was an ubuntu spwan |
| 08:48.00 | liable | spawn* |
| 08:48.09 | valdyn | riri55559: aptitude install update-manager |
| 08:48.11 | riri55559 | in ubuntu there is an automatic update manager-a graphical one-, is there another way to install security updates? |
| 08:48.14 | mib_38o16k | It says lighty is only partially installed... but I don't want it fully installed? |
| 08:48.19 | cemunal | is not main server ftp.debian.org? |
| 08:48.30 | valdyn | cemunal: no, thats just one mirror |
| 08:48.40 | liable | cemunal: yes it is, but you should use a mirror close to you |
| 08:48.50 | cemunal | what is the main server? |
| 08:48.58 | ktwilight | there are primary and secondary repo servers too |
| 08:49.08 | valdyn | cemunal: you dont get access the a main server |
| 08:49.09 | ktwilight | usually the country primary server is ftp.<country prefix>.debian.org |
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| 08:49.29 | nsadmin | cemunal: the main server is not public |
| 08:49.44 | cemunal | ktwilight, ftp.tr.debian.org don't wok. |
| 08:49.47 | cemunal | *work |
| 08:49.48 | nsadmin | it feeds the other servers, and holds the archive |
| 08:50.08 | ktwilight | cemunal, not all countries then :) |
| 08:50.14 | riri55559 | is there a difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 08:50.27 | valdyn | riri55559: yes |
| 08:50.40 | nsadmin | apt-get was the original, it was originally a test of the apt libs |
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| 08:51.30 | nsadmin | everyone clamored to try it, and it became very popular (and very well tested by now) |
| 08:51.34 | cemunal | is there a service like "mirrorsellect" in gentoo? |
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| 08:51.57 | mib_38o16k | anyone? |
| 08:52.02 | nsadmin | cemunal: that's just a mirror list and a text editor |
| 08:52.21 | valdyn | mib_38o16k: it doesnt pull all of X |
| 08:52.27 | mib_38o16k | A lot of it. |
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| 08:52.51 | cemunal | valdyn, liable nsadmin ktwilight thanks |
| 08:52.58 | mib_38o16k | Anyway... lighty? |
| 08:53.31 | valdyn | mib_38o16k: lighty is not in debian |
| 08:53.36 | mib_38o16k | lighttpd |
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| 08:53.48 | valdyn | mib_38o16k: we dont know if you want lighttpd fully installed |
| 08:54.41 | mib_38o16k | I needed one of the utilities. It got installed, I mean... the only thing it's hanging on, I think, is the automatic start post-install. There's another webserver running that I can't shutdown. |
| 08:55.00 | valdyn | mib_38o16k: so remove lighttpd again |
| 08:55.01 | cemunal | which repos update directly from Debian? |
| 08:55.10 | mib_38o16k | valdyn: But I need the utilities that the install provides. |
| 08:55.22 | valdyn | cemunal: the ones with country codes like "ftp.<cc>.debian.org" |
| 08:55.29 | liable | cemunal: they all do. the mirrors update from the repo usually once or twice a day |
| 08:55.50 | liable | well, the official mirrors |
| 08:55.54 | nsadmin | that would be a lot of work for the main server |
| 08:56.01 | cemunal | valdyn, thanks |
| 08:56.06 | enouf | 4-8hrs, IIRC |
| 08:56.20 | mib_38o16k | valdyn: Is there a way I can... remove it without actually removing it? |
| 08:56.28 | enouf | ... |
| 08:56.30 | valdyn | mib_38o16k: like which tool? |
| 08:56.31 | nsadmin | twice a day? |
| 08:56.46 | liable | enouf: i thought there was one main mirror pulse a day. dunno though. its debian blackmagic i dont need to know |
| 08:56.47 | mib_38o16k | spawn-fcgi |
| 08:57.30 | valdyn | mib_38o16k: copy the tool to ~/bin or /usr/local/bin and remove lighttpd |
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| 08:58.06 | valdyn | mib_38o16k: or change the /etc/init.d/lighttpd script to not actually start lighttpd |
| 08:58.10 | enouf | Packages leave this directory when an archive run happens (commonly referred to as dinstall). Dinstall currently runs daily at 1:52, 7:52, 13:52 and 19:52 UTC |
| 08:58.14 | enouf | http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 08:58.28 | liable | enouf: yes, but that doesnt mean mirrors update then |
| 08:58.52 | Supaplex | odd. pivot_root says it's busy? pivot_root("/mnt/", "/media/old-root/") = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy) |
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| 08:59.21 | mib_38o16k | Thanks. :) |
| 08:59.31 | liable | if dondelelcaro was awake he could tell us |
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| 09:00.03 | liable | i am pretty sure its a once a day pulse though from memory |
| 09:00.39 | enouf | every 8 hours |
| 09:01.04 | enouf | pivot_root is dead |
| 09:01.30 | liable | oh well |
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| 09:02.37 | karsten | enouf: Was it a good funeral? |
| 09:02.50 | liable | goes to water the vegies |
| 09:03.07 | Supaplex | sweet. google pivot_root ebusy led me to the man page. fixed. :) |
| 09:03.30 | liable | lollerskates |
| 09:03.39 | karsten | was wondering "dead" in what sense. |
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| 09:05.08 | Supaplex | enouf: how is it dead? |
| 09:05.10 | karsten | wonders if that makes this an equal-time prophet. |
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| 09:05.53 | Arafangion | How do I switch users in Debian, such that both are running X11? |
| 09:06.03 | Arafangion | I think Gnome has this facility, but I'm using fluxbox. |
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| 09:06.44 | karsten | Arafangion: Most XDMs allow you to launch a new session. Or log into a console and 'startx -- :1' as new user. |
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| 09:09.14 | valdyn | Arafangion: you only need gdm installed, and you can run "gdmflexiserver" to get a new login for a 2nd user |
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| 09:09.48 | valdyn | Arafangion: gnome just has some neat applets going this, its not a gnome feature though |
| 09:10.09 | Arafangion | valdyn: That's exactly what I was after, thanks. :) |
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| 09:10.30 | valdyn | beside that the whole thing is a fucking mess |
| 09:10.49 | Arafangion | It's a mess that's survived 1970' |
| 09:10.59 | Arafangion | 's design decisions, or is it 1980's? |
| 09:11.30 | valdyn | Arafangion: one console, one user, theres no concept of multi-user consoles |
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| 09:11.59 | Arafangion | valdyn: I'm not sure if I'm 'getting' the concept you're suggesting. |
| 09:12.15 | valdyn | Arafangion: whenever that was when computer users logged into mainframes from dumb serial terminals |
| 09:12.27 | valdyn | Arafangion: ^^^ is that legacy |
| 09:12.34 | dreamer | I'm having trouble setting up my server with NameVirtualHost, I want to use wordpress with multiple users, but none of the 2 virt-host configs in the suggested apache.conf work for me |
| 09:12.48 | valdyn | Arafangion: probably the 60ies |
| 09:13.32 | Arafangion | valdyn: Why should a particular console be 'multiuser', if only one person is present at the keyboard at a time? |
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| 09:13.51 | Arafangion | valdyn: If another user wants to use it, then you swich to a different console. As I said, I'm not sure if I've "got" your concept. |
| 09:14.09 | valdyn | Arafangion: sure, what you are saying is how its done in linux and X11 |
| 09:14.16 | valdyn | Arafangion: but it does not work properly |
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| 09:15.09 | valdyn | Arafangion: because theres no unified concept, its hacks on hacks on hacks |
| 09:15.25 | Arafangion | valdyn: It is indeed a long series of hacks. :( |
| 09:15.32 | valdyn | Arafangion: user 2 cant have accelerated 3D on most drivers |
| 09:15.41 | valdyn | Arafangion: user 2 cant have sound if user 1 doesnt permit it |
| 09:16.09 | Arafangion | valdyn: Let's not go into remote x11 sessions, arguably one of the undisputed advantages of X11. |
| 09:16.25 | valdyn | Arafangion: yea, im not talking about remote |
| 09:16.54 | valdyn | Arafangion: user2 also cant connect to a different access point if user1 doesnt permit it |
| 09:16.57 | Arafangion | As it is, I'm using an onboard intel driver, so I don't have accelerated 3D. |
| 09:17.03 | Arafangion | valdyn: That sucks. |
| 09:17.09 | Arafangion | I've noticed that wifi is a major hack. |
| 09:17.18 | nsadmin | "arguably" and "undisputed"? |
| 09:17.29 | Arafangion | nsadmin: Shut up. :) |
| 09:17.32 | nsadmin | why would it need arguing if it's not disputed :) |
| 09:17.46 | Arafangion | nsadmin: The fact that it's undisputed is argued. |
| 09:17.54 | Arafangion | nsadmin: Happy now? :) |
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| 09:18.16 | valdyn | Arafangion: onboard intel does have accelerated 3D, but only for one user |
| 09:18.34 | Arafangion | valdyn: That's wierd, I don't seem to have accelerated 3D. |
| 09:18.40 | nsadmin | I'll go ahead and say that it's good in a lan |
| 09:18.40 | valdyn | Arafangion: for all i know the only way to have accelerated 3D for more than one would be nvidia drivers |
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| 09:19.05 | valdyn | nsadmin: sure, its good in some places, not good in others |
| 09:19.09 | Arafangion | has always liked hte nvidia ones, though the ati ones are really good with multiple desktops - when the fricking binary blob works. |
| 09:19.13 | valdyn | nsadmin: and its not properly configurable |
| 09:19.31 | valdyn | nsadmin: or, it was not properly configurable, consolekit and policykit can fix it |
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| 09:21.51 | nsadmin | the thing I'm wanting is real session management with detach |
| 09:22.05 | Arafangion | I've noticed that my webcam is blurry on my laptop that has intel graphics... What might the reasons be? |
| 09:22.24 | valdyn | Arafangion: unrelated to intel graphics |
| 09:22.33 | Guerin | Arafangion: probably not focused. |
| 09:22.49 | Arafangion | Guerin: No, I mean, it's blurry in the sense that the frame capture rate is exceptionally slow. |
| 09:22.57 | Guerin | oh. |
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| 09:23.08 | nsadmin | that's not "blurry" |
| 09:23.08 | valdyn | Arafangion: your app not using xv to display |
| 09:23.11 | Arafangion | But it doesn't jerk - it blurs instead. |
| 09:23.23 | valdyn | Arafangion: you already said you dont have 3D accel, you might not have direct rendering at all |
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| 09:23.51 | Arafangion | valdyn: Well, I can play DVD's without any issues. |
| 09:23.56 | valdyn | Arafangion: oh.. in that case its just capturing slow |
| 09:24.00 | jaggz- | how do you open a URL in the current browser from shell? |
| 09:24.09 | Arafangion | jaggz-: Depends on the browser. |
| 09:24.12 | valdyn | Arafangion: your display software might use blur |
| 09:24.30 | valdyn | jaggz-: which x terminal? |
| 09:24.38 | jaggz- | I configured the system browser to be iceweasel.. but I can run iceweasel directly if that's required |
| 09:24.41 | valdyn | jaggz-: thats a feature of your terminal application |
| 09:24.54 | valdyn | jaggz-: like xterm wont do it |
| 09:24.56 | Arafangion | valdyn: I happen to prefer blurring rather than the jerking, the only issue is that I want it to be faster. |
| 09:25.14 | jaggz- | valdyn, actually, I have a URL in the clipboard, copied from a terminal (konsole), and I want to open it in FF/IW |
| 09:25.25 | valdyn | Arafangion: i dont have a webcam, i dont know how to configure it to capture more frames |
| 09:25.46 | valdyn | jaggz-: in konsole you can just rightlick and open on a url |
| 09:25.49 | Arafangion | valdyn: Well, as best as I can tell, there are no configuration options whatsoever, 'cept for selecting the camera. |
| 09:25.56 | jaggz- | konsole doesn't seem to support it directly, so I was going to use KDE's keyboard mapping to make a keystroke do it for me |
| 09:25.56 | dreamer | gah, the debian-config for wordpress is a maze -_- |
| 09:26.19 | jaggz- | I tried but there was no option for that in konsole |
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| 09:26.28 | valdyn | jaggz-: i just tried, i can in kde4 konsole |
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| 09:26.51 | valdyn | jaggz-: but the url has to look proper like http://www.google.com |
| 09:26.51 | jaggz- | ah, this isn't kde4 |
| 09:27.05 | jaggz- | yeah, it's proper.. I'll settle for a keystroke though |
| 09:27.09 | valdyn | jaggz-: this isnt something new, it ought to be there in kde3, maybe someone else can confirm |
| 09:27.50 | Arafangion | Maybe my standards are too high for webcam stuff. |
| 09:28.03 | valdyn | Arafangion: maybe that webcam is poor |
| 09:28.16 | jaggz- | damn, I'm feeling sleepiness draw over me |
| 09:28.41 | Arafangion | valdyn: It's the best the Myers store had. (Doesn't neccessarily mean that it's the best per se, but it is certainly above average) |
| 09:28.47 | valdyn | why the hell do kde apps need to spam my console without me switching on debugging |
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| 09:29.37 | Arafangion | valdyn: I should probably tell you that I bought it for use with sign. ;) |
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| 09:29.38 | valdyn | like "kdeinit4: preparing to launch", wtf would i care |
| 09:30.00 | Arafangion | valdyn: I don't any webcam will work satisfactorily. :( |
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| 09:30.49 | xor | Hi there. |
| 09:30.58 | xor | Does anyone know how to implement WFQ traffic shaping in Linux? |
| 09:31.07 | xor | I read something about some patches for tc, but it was a 9 year old post. |
| 09:31.18 | valdyn | xor: what is wfq? |
| 09:31.31 | xor | Weighted Fair Queuing. |
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| 09:32.20 | valdyn | xor: yea, i see that on google, but it doesnt tell me what you really need |
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| 09:33.11 | xor | Client A buys a service from you that allocates X resources for him... |
| 09:33.26 | xor | Client B buys a service from you that allocates 2X resources for him... |
| 09:33.26 | valdyn | xor: so a guaranteed bandwidth? |
| 09:33.46 | xor | When those two clients are trying to upload something at the same time... |
| 09:33.59 | bolt | it explodes! |
| 09:34.07 | xor | The traffic shapper makes sure, Client B always has twice as much bandwidth to use as client A. |
| 09:34.18 | bolt | boring |
| 09:34.24 | xor | It's a little more complex then guaranteed memory. |
| 09:34.44 | valdyn | xor: you are saying the dont get a cap? |
| 09:34.45 | xor | It guarantees proportional resources. |
| 09:35.17 | valdyn | xor: i think what you want is default pretty much |
| 09:35.26 | xor | I'm sure there are wfq implementations that do include a cap, but that's not the point of the algorithm. The point is fairness, or in another word, proportionality. |
| 09:35.34 | valdyn | xor: ok |
| 09:35.39 | valdyn | xor: thats default for all i know |
| 09:35.55 | xor | What do you mean? |
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| 09:36.27 | xor | Default in the kernel? |
| 09:36.32 | Arafangion | xor: I personally think that's a poor system - better would be to ensure that voip traffic always gets through without excessive delay, even if that means delaying web traffic for seconds. |
| 09:36.35 | valdyn | xor: 2 qeues, one for each client, same priority for both queues, twice the guaranteed minimum for one also gives him twice the bandwidth |
| 09:36.53 | xor | Arafangion: This isn't for VoIP. It's for a VPS node. |
| 09:37.12 | enouf | Supaplex: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt#L82 |
| 09:37.18 | Arafangion | xor: Ahh, so you're only looking at a very particular protocol, that's fine then. :) |
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| 09:37.47 | valdyn | xor: thats what the token bucket thing should do by default |
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| 09:38.23 | valdyn | xor: i do set it up via shorewall however so i cant give you tc commands |
| 09:38.49 | xor | Let me check out the man, I remember reading it, and it didn't look like wfq... |
| 09:39.32 | Supaplex | enouf: it's not an initrd. I mounted a tmpfs (box has 2gb ram, 700mb or so / in use), rsynced / to it, and pivot_root to run w/o the harddisk. |
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| 09:40.22 | Deepika | http://techfancy.blogspot.com/ |
| 09:40.33 | Arafangion | Supaplex: Neat. :) |
| 09:40.41 | Supaplex | my intention was to trampoliene out of the harddisk so dd an freebsd system snapshot I was going to test. eventually I'll just fix my pxe env so I don't have to play games like this :P |
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| 09:41.17 | Arafangion | Supaplex: I typically just use a ubuntu live cd for crap like that. ;) |
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| 09:42.02 | Supaplex | Arafangion: treason! there's debian live for that. :) |
| 09:44.17 | at0m|c | Arafangion: debian netinstall cd is enough. why use GUI for dd !? |
| 09:45.07 | Arafangion | Supaplex: Nice. |
| 09:45.24 | Arafangion | Supaplex: Ubuntu's hardware support is nicer, though... Less reliable, but hey, it's a live CD. |
| 09:45.37 | Arafangion | at0m|c: It has dd? |
| 09:45.52 | Arafangion | at0m|c: What about chroot? |
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| 09:46.50 | Supaplex | yeah, but try rolling your own custom cd. |
| 09:48.09 | Arafangion | Supaplex: I might've back when I had time. |
| 09:48.13 | at0m|c | Arafangion: it has even a boot option to chroot a partition |
| 09:48.20 | Arafangion | at0m|c: Nice. |
| 09:48.22 | at0m|c | see rescue mode |
| 09:49.26 | Supaplex | !live |
| 09:49.26 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). |
| 09:49.43 | ionuu | hello |
| 09:49.51 | bolt | HELO bolt |
| 09:50.07 | ionuu | is .Xdefaults deprecated? I tried switching it to .Xresources, but it's not automatically read with startx |
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| 09:50.23 | ionuu | do i still need to xrdb -merge it in .xinitrc? |
| 09:51.12 | bolt | it should be read automatically |
| 09:51.30 | ionuu | doesn't appear so |
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| 09:53.13 | PierreN | hi Z |
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| 09:55.43 | ktwilight | hm, so i found out that grub-set-default may not be kicking in properly |
| 09:56.21 | ionuu | is gimp installable yet? |
| 09:56.31 | ionuu | does it still hav that silly webkit issue? |
| 09:56.51 | at0m|c | ionuu: maybe check the changelog |
| 09:57.11 | ionuu | _the_ ? |
| 09:57.19 | ionuu | via apt-tools, or online? |
| 09:57.53 | at0m|c | ionuu: where lies your problem? in the installer or in the source? i dont know |
| 09:57.56 | at0m|c | it installed fantastic here, i feel sorry for you being unable to install it |
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| 09:58.15 | ionuu | gimp in sid |
| 09:58.18 | PierreN | i want to set the AllowEmptyInput of xorg on false (in my log file it says that this option is on). How to do so please ? in some forums they say to add Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" into ServerFlags section. however, such a section doesnnt exist in my xorg.conf. if i add it, thqt chqnges nothing... any help please ? |
| 09:58.20 | linduxed | ok so im in gnu/linux now, but i think i screwed up my partition table so that all partitions except the windows one (ntfs) work. the partition still shows as a ntfs partition, but its not mountable and grub doesnt recognize it as something bootable. |
| 09:58.20 | linduxed | Now i have no real problem with reinstalling windows, i use it for nothing but a few games anyway, but i need to recover a gig or two of data. how do i do this? |
| 09:58.29 | ionuu | at0m|c: can't even install it via aaptitude |
| 09:59.35 | at0m|c | ionuu: how about sid's mailing list? didnt see much sid talk here lately |
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| 09:59.35 | ionuu | ah found it. it was built with webkit (for help engine) and that version of webkit isn't even available |
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| 09:59.56 | ionuu | what other project provides similar functionality as git? |
| 10:00.00 | ionuu | er, *gimp |
| 10:00.15 | ionuu | without awkward mouse actions as in xv |
| 10:00.26 | ionuu | or xev, whatever it's called |
| 10:00.36 | PierreN | erf need to add another option in xorg.conf |
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| 10:02.47 | ktwilight | aha, so there's a bug in grub on "default saved" :) |
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| 10:03.41 | ktwilight | can anyone confirm http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393079 ? please? :) |
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| 10:05.20 | ionuu | ktwilight: that's not an ubuntu package, is it? |
| 10:06.02 | ktwilight | ionuu, of course not. |
| 10:06.26 | ktwilight | wow, seems like it's dropped in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=479646 |
| 10:07.54 | IamSOG | is the current debian 5.00 more stable or the 5.0.1 ? |
| 10:08.36 | linduxed | IamSOG: AFAIK 5.0.1 |
| 10:08.45 | ionuu | IamSOG: the point release is |
| 10:08.51 | IamSOG | Oh.. I see |
| 10:08.54 | IamSOG | thanks |
| 10:09.00 | ionuu | no newer features.. mostly bug fixes |
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| 10:09.28 | IamSOG | just need to get it for my friend, I am using 5.0.0 ... I think |
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| 10:11.39 | johan___1 | Is there anyway to failsafe start debian? When my friend is booting up, the screen turns off and says out of range, any suggestions? |
| 10:11.47 | nkuttler | Kwitschibo: sounds like you're editing inside the automagic list. don't do that |
| 10:12.12 | nkuttler | johan___1: boot in single mode |
| 10:12.21 | johan___1 | ok |
| 10:12.47 | nkuttler | ktwilight: ^^ that was for you. are you running stable? |
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| 10:13.27 | nkuttler | ktwilight: see if you have a /etc/grub.d, i'm not sure if that's already in stable.. |
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| 10:19.07 | nikos_gr | hello, where cna i find debian kernel 2.6.30 for squeeze? |
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| 10:20.06 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: /msg dpkg backports, /msg dpkg kp |
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| 10:20.09 | maligor | you know it hasn't been released yet, right? |
| 10:20.15 | nkuttler | it hasn't? :) |
| 10:20.32 | nkuttler | oh right, that were the rcs |
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| 10:22.35 | johan___1 | nkuttler: Any suggestion what to set in xorg.conf for a generic driver that "allways" works? |
| 10:22.40 | johan___1 | Like vesa maby? |
| 10:22.54 | nkuttler | johan___1: yeah |
| 10:23.05 | nikos_gr | whats linxuheders files do i have to wget to get the new 2.6.30 kernel |
| 10:23.13 | nikos_gr | iam lookign all mornign i need 2.6.30 |
| 10:23.14 | nkuttler | i don't think it will always work though |
| 10:23.26 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: there is no 2.6.30 |
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| 10:23.32 | nikos_gr | i found those heaser from ubuntu .kernel.org but it diodnt play on debian |
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| 10:23.41 | nikos_gr | nkuttler, there is for ubuntu |
| 10:23.45 | nikos_gr | arent ll kernels the same? |
| 10:23.48 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: go to kernel.org |
| 10:23.56 | nikos_gr | it says 2.6.29 |
| 10:23.56 | nkuttler | !tell nikos_gr about kp |
| 10:24.00 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: and build your own |
| 10:24.10 | nikos_gr | but there is 2.6.30 also out |
| 10:24.18 | nkuttler | gets some food |
| 10:24.40 | nikos_gr | apt-get install kernel-package ? |
| 10:24.52 | nikos_gr | whats si the name of the packge? |
| 10:26.31 | nikos_gr | please helop em out |
| 10:26.39 | nikos_gr | my tplinkc ard needs 2.6.30 to play |
| 10:26.47 | nikos_gr | it is supported only from 2.6.30 |
| 10:26.59 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: please read what the bot told you |
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| 10:27.13 | nikos_gr | i dotn understand it |
| 10:27.19 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: which part of it? |
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| 10:27.27 | nikos_gr | "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev |
| 10:27.36 | nikos_gr | "apt-get install 2.5.30 build-essential libncurses5-dev |
| 10:27.41 | nikos_gr | this of course will nto work |
| 10:27.51 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: you're not supposed to change any of that |
| 10:28.03 | nikos_gr | reallt? levae kernel-package as it is? |
| 10:28.22 | at0m|c | johan___1: can you see the boot messages? if your screen goes "out of range" when X starts, you can Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get TTY1 and edit from there |
| 10:28.36 | at0m|c | johan___1: then you don't need to reboot :) |
| 10:29.11 | nickgrey147 | hey iam new to debian , i need to install a plugin for pigin but its only offerd in i386 , there is a souce package aswell will that work if i compile it ? |
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| 10:29.32 | nikos_gr | nickgrey147, wher di you fidn pidgin ic ant find it |
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| 10:30.04 | nickgrey147 | nickos_gr: ? |
| 10:30.08 | nikos_gr | nkuttler, okey iahve aptget what you said |
| 10:30.25 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: please, slow down. try to type something that's more readable |
| 10:30.30 | nikos_gr | ok |
| 10:30.35 | nikos_gr | whats next step? |
| 10:30.40 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: please read what the bot told you |
| 10:30.48 | nikos_gr | but please epalin to me what this commnd did |
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| 10:30.56 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: don't you know apt-get? |
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| 10:31.05 | nikos_gr | yes |
| 10:31.14 | nikos_gr | what is kernel-package? |
| 10:31.23 | nikos_gr | we dditn even specify a kernel name |
| 10:31.23 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: apt-cache show kernel-package. and the bot told you that |
| 10:32.12 | nikos_gr | i just typed that |
| 10:32.19 | nikos_gr | i dotn understand its output |
| 10:32.37 | nickgrey147 | nikos_gr: why do u need to know ? |
| 10:32.45 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: i give up. maybe you should check that your kernel supports your software next time you buy something |
| 10:32.54 | nkuttler | your hardware even |
| 10:33.12 | nikos_gr | i had vista at the time |
| 10:33.23 | nikos_gr | look man iam ne to debian |
| 10:33.32 | nikos_gr | and iw ant to know what iam typing in cmd |
| 10:33.56 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: which part of it don't you understand? |
| 10:34.10 | nikos_gr | "apt-get install kernel-package |
| 10:34.15 | valdyn | nickgrey147: if its only offered in i386, then there probably is a reason for that |
| 10:34.18 | nikos_gr | what kernel-package is? |
| 10:34.26 | nikos_gr | which version of what kenrel? |
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| 10:34.29 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: i just told you |
| 10:34.45 | nikos_gr | i dotn see the version |
| 10:35.01 | nikos_gr | told me what? |
| 10:35.10 | nkuttler | < nkuttler> nikos_gr: apt-cache show kernel-package. and the bot told you that |
| 10:35.20 | nikos_gr | yes i saw that |
| 10:35.23 | novascorpio | nikos_gr: Are you confused? You need to enter 'apt-get install kernel-package' into a terminal. |
| 10:35.26 | nikos_gr | i typed and get lots of output |
| 10:35.26 | nickgrey147 | valdyn: ahhh ok i see , i thought it was just because it was developed by a 3rd world programer lol |
| 10:35.38 | nikos_gr | novascorpio, i did |
| 10:35.43 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: isn't that wonderful? lots of info you can read |
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| 10:36.14 | valdyn | nickgrey147: debian packages not porting to all platforms constitutes a severe bug by default |
| 10:36.19 | nikos_gr | look man is this command brouyght top em compiled 2.6.30 or not? |
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| 10:36.27 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: no |
| 10:36.34 | nikos_gr | then why did you give it to me? |
| 10:36.42 | valdyn | nickgrey147: feel free to get the source code and try however |
| 10:36.59 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: 2.6.30 has not been released. there are *no* packages for it. if you want 2.6.30 you'll need to build your own kernel |
| 10:37.31 | nikos_gr | but i doenloaded it before 4 days in ubuntu |
| 10:37.37 | nikos_gr | how come is NOT released? |
| 10:37.46 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: they are lying to you |
| 10:37.51 | nikos_gr | i downloaded the debs myself! |
| 10:37.57 | nikos_gr | i can even give you link |
| 10:38.03 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: do you know kernel.org? |
| 10:38.06 | nikos_gr | yes |
| 10:38.11 | nikos_gr | there is sasy 2.6.29 |
| 10:38.15 | nickgrey147 | valdyn: i would but i dont rember how to at all its been such along time since ive needed to |
| 10:38.20 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: so if the official site says 2.6.29 is current... what does that tell you? |
| 10:38.24 | nikos_gr | 2.6.30 si testig but i need it |
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| 10:38.34 | valdyn | nickgrey147: apt-get source <package> |
| 10:38.37 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: and i'm desperately trying to tell you how to get it |
| 10:38.38 | nikos_gr | where can i find the testign kernels? |
| 10:38.46 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: you can't |
| 10:38.46 | novascorpio | nikos_gr, you can find the kernel sources at http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ |
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| 10:39.03 | nikos_gr | you mean linux headers right/ |
| 10:39.07 | nkuttler | no |
| 10:39.12 | valdyn | someone buy nikos_gr less twitchy fingers or a keyboard ;) |
| 10:39.30 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: what do you want headers for anyway? |
| 10:39.36 | nickgrey147 | valdyn: wow ok thanks ill try dont rember it being that easy |
| 10:39.37 | novascorpio | nikos_gr: Since I don't see any linux-2.6.3[0-9].tar.bz2 on there it's highly unlikely that 2.6.30 is released. |
| 10:39.46 | nkuttler | novascorpio: there are RCs |
| 10:40.00 | nikos_gr | ok ill give ou a link fo what i had downlaoded with ubuntu |
| 10:40.12 | valdyn | so called "rcs" , they arent rcs |
| 10:40.24 | nikos_gr | wget http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.30-rc5/linux-headers-2.6.30-020630rc5-generic_2.6.30-020630rc5_i386.deb http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.30-rc5/linux-headers-2.6.30-020630rc5_2.6.30-020630rc5_all.deb http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.30-rc5/linux-image-2.6.30-020630rc5-generic_2.6.30-020630rc5_i386.deb |
| 10:40.25 | nkuttler | whatever the customer wants.. |
| 10:40.33 | nikos_gr | you see? 2.6.30 !!! |
| 10:40.40 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: can you read? rc. |
| 10:40.46 | valdyn | nikos_gr: you see? rc5 !!! |
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| 10:41.02 | nkuttler | is starting to believe he's being trolled |
| 10:41.02 | nikos_gr | release candidate yes |
| 10:41.07 | nikos_gr | still testing |
| 10:41.13 | novascorpio | nkuttler: what do you mean RC's? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware of these packages; they're random patches on top of 2.6.29 I assume? |
| 10:41.16 | nikos_gr | is what i need to make tplink work |
| 10:41.25 | valdyn | nikos_gr: the point is that its *not* release candidates |
| 10:41.36 | valdyn | nikos_gr: even though they are labeled *rc* |
| 10:41.37 | nikos_gr | they are not? |
| 10:41.46 | valdyn | nikos_gr: not. |
| 10:42.07 | nikos_gr | well i ahd them dpkg -i in debian |
| 10:42.10 | nickgrey147 | valdyn: wait doesnt that comand download a package in source ?? , i need to compile it |
| 10:42.14 | nikos_gr | and then they messed my menu.lst |
| 10:42.26 | valdyn | nikos_gr: apt-get -b source <packagename> |
| 10:42.34 | valdyn | nikos_gr: read manpage |
| 10:43.02 | valdyn | ops, wrong target |
| 10:43.02 | valdyn | nickgrey147: ^^ |
| 10:43.02 | nikos_gr | wait now icant boot vista |
| 10:43.07 | nikos_gr | i need menu.lst back |
| 10:43.10 | nickgrey147 | valdyn: lol :P |
| 10:43.12 | at0m|c | nikos_gr: you download and dpkg -i *ubuntu* kernels in debian? :> |
| 10:43.16 | nikos_gr | aptget -f remove messed my menu.lst |
| 10:43.23 | nikos_gr | at0m|c, exactly |
| 10:43.30 | valdyn | its sunday already |
| 10:43.32 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: you can just add your vistu to your menu.lst, see the fine grub manual |
| 10:43.41 | nkuttler | permasunday |
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| 10:43.57 | nikos_gr | but guys arent all kernels the same for all distros? |
| 10:44.10 | valdyn | nikos_gr: why the hell are you messing with kernels? |
| 10:44.10 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: no |
| 10:44.24 | nikos_gr | i mean they arent any distro specific kernels |
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| 10:44.34 | valdyn | nikos_gr: they are distro specific kernels |
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| 10:44.38 | at0m|c | nikos_gr: from kernel.org source, indeed. |
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| 10:45.21 | nikos_gr | what |
| 10:45.29 | nikos_gr | <valdyn> nikos_gr: they are distro specific kernels |
| 10:45.30 | at0m|c | nikos_gr: but that's also where the comparison ends |
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| 10:46.03 | PioDer | good afternoon |
| 10:46.06 | nikos_gr | 2.6.28 for debian is different than 2.6.28 for ubuntu? |
| 10:46.09 | novascorpio | nikos_gr: There are distro-specific kernels... Hand-selected patches submitted to the kernel.org trunk etc. |
| 10:46.12 | valdyn | nikos_gr: yes |
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| 10:47.00 | valdyn | nikos_gr: youre obviously clueless, you shouldnt mess with kernels at all |
| 10:47.02 | nikos_gr | so i guess ill jhave to wait |
| 10:47.07 | nikos_gr | vader--, yes |
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| 10:47.12 | nikos_gr | i just wanted my tplinkt o0 play |
| 10:47.22 | nikos_gr | now i completely removed the linxu headers |
| 10:47.33 | nikos_gr | but menu.lst is messed up |
| 10:47.49 | nikos_gr | and it deosnt have the code to boot vista any more just debian |
| 10:47.51 | nickgrey147 | valdyn: does it not have to be in a repo for apt-get to work ? or can u point it to a folder , forgive me iam more of a pacman man |
| 10:47.54 | nikos_gr | how can io correct that>? |
| 10:47.59 | PioDer | I have problem with configuring wifi device |
| 10:48.02 | nkuttler | does stable come with grub2 already? |
| 10:49.02 | nikos_gr | please just tell me how to get my previosu menu.lst back |
| 10:49.12 | nikos_gr | where it asked me between debian and vista as well |
| 10:49.48 | PioDer | My kernel is 2.6.26-2-686, wireless card - TL-WN353GD |
| 10:49.52 | valdyn | nickgrey147: getting the source package needs a deb-src line in /etc/apt/sources.list. That line looks just like the "deb" line, just "deb" -> "deb-src". You can also get source code at http://packages.debian.org/. Read the dpkg-source manpage and the dpkg-buildpackage manpage if apt-get -b source <name> does not work |
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| 10:50.00 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/DOS_002fWindows.html#DOS_002fWindows |
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| 10:50.24 | PioDer | card is supported, but I couldn't change wifi mode |
| 10:50.29 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: actually, http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Chain_002dloading.html#Chain_002dloading |
| 10:50.42 | PioDer | to master |
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| 10:51.40 | PioDer | Can we help me? |
| 10:51.56 | nickgrey147 | valdyn: thanks i shall do that |
| 10:51.57 | nkuttler | PioDer: check /var/log/messages and dmesg output |
| 10:52.03 | nkuttler | PioDer: not all cards support all modes |
| 10:54.12 | PioDer | nkuttler: thanks for info |
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| 10:55.38 | nikos_gr | nkuttler, i did what the link told me but menu.lst didtn change |
| 10:55.51 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: you have to edit it |
| 10:56.05 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: i assume you have on hd in your box? |
| 10:56.18 | nikos_gr | hd? |
| 10:56.23 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: hard disk |
| 10:56.26 | nikos_gr | yes 2 |
| 10:56.34 | nikos_gr | 0,1 = vista |
| 10:56.38 | nikos_gr | 1,1 = debian |
| 10:56.46 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: so pastebin your sources.list |
| 10:56.58 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: errr, menu.lst |
| 10:57.02 | nikos_gr | :) |
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| 10:57.03 | nikos_gr | ok |
| 10:57.09 | linduxed | i think i messed up my partition table and now i can neither mount nor boot windows. All i need is to extract some files. when i try to mount the partition i get the following: http://pastebin.com/m237ab701 |
| 10:57.18 | nikos_gr | its a completely normal menu.lst |
| 10:57.30 | nikos_gr | apart form the fact that has no lines for vista loading |
| 10:57.30 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: i didn't ask that |
| 10:57.59 | nikos_gr | wan tt me to paste here? |
| 10:58.06 | nkuttler | !tell nikos_gr about pastebin |
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| 10:59.06 | nikos_gr | http://paste.debian.net/36327/ |
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| 10:59.57 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: are you sure 0,1 is correct for your vista partition? |
| 11:00.13 | nikos_gr | 1st drive, 1st partition 100% |
| 11:00.18 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: the first partition would be 0,0 |
| 11:00.23 | SQlvpapir | grub starts from 0,0, |
| 11:00.35 | SQlvpapir | -,- |
| 11:00.37 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: http://paste.debian.net/36330/ |
| 11:00.39 | nikos_gr | a 0,0 then |
| 11:00.44 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: add that at the very end of that file |
| 11:01.12 | nikos_gr | i said 0,1 because hd numbering is zero for first disk and 1 for first aprtuition |
| 11:01.30 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: not for grub |
| 11:02.07 | nikos_gr | i must confuse it with sda1 |
| 11:02.30 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: with than in your menu.lst you should be able to boot vista |
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| 11:03.51 | PioDer | good bye :) |
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| 11:04.42 | nikos_gr | nkuttler, yes thanks you very much, i looked it also and it has it as an example insode menu.lst as well! |
| 11:04.52 | nikos_gr | there wasnt even a need for googling |
| 11:04.57 | nikos_gr | i only changed the title |
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| 11:05.32 | nikos_gr | one more thign did i fu.thign up with the wget of the ubuntu kernels? |
| 11:05.50 | nikos_gr | because after all i did 'dpkg -i ./*' with them |
| 11:06.08 | nikos_gr | and the 3rd linux-header failed due to wireless-cdra misssing |
| 11:06.53 | at0m|c | nikos_gr: dpkg -i ubuntu kernel on debian would screw up your system for sure |
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| 11:07.23 | nkuttler | nikos_gr: so just remove them |
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| 11:07.50 | nikos_gr | i did completely with the use of synaptic |
| 11:07.58 | nikos_gr | at0m|c, how coem i wasnt screwed? |
| 11:09.05 | at0m|c | nikos_gr: how come you been troubleshooting here all morning? just menu.lst? |
| 11:09.14 | at0m|c | if you ever plan on installing other kernels, keep at least one known working installed, as backup. Also a debian netinstall CD comes handy for Resue Mode in my experience |
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| 11:09.49 | nikos_gr | whats this single user mode that grub has? |
| 11:09.56 | nikos_gr | it has 2 kernels |
| 11:10.15 | nikos_gr | should i remove the 2nd debian |
| 11:10.17 | at0m|c | nikos_gr: it's the same kernel, just different init level |
| 11:10.20 | at0m|c | man init |
| 11:10.35 | at0m|c | smoke break! |
| 11:10.49 | azeem | nikos_gr: why do you think you should remove stuff? Obviously somebody thought about adding that entry |
| 11:10.53 | nikos_gr | is ti neccessry to have it? |
| 11:11.13 | nikos_gr | it must be used if first kernel cant work i guess |
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| 11:11.22 | at0m|c | no, untill your system breaks |
| 11:11.36 | Arafangion | nikos_gr: "If it ain't broke, don't go fixin' it!" |
| 11:11.37 | azeem | nikos_gr: if you don't about something, don't change it |
| 11:11.39 | nikos_gr | azeem, grub lloks better with 2 list entries, debian and vista :) |
| 11:11.39 | azeem | simple as that |
| 11:11.53 | Arafangion | nikos_gr: I'd remove the vista one... |
| 11:11.58 | nikos_gr | LOL |
| 11:12.01 | nikos_gr | :) |
| 11:12.09 | at0m|c | nikos_gr: right. if something goes kaput after the basic boot, you can still get that "basic boot", single user |
| 11:12.22 | Arafangion | nikos_gr: I don't even /have/ windows at home. |
| 11:12.34 | nikos_gr | single user will land me on console to fix things> |
| 11:12.34 | Arafangion | nikos_gr: 'cept for the glass kind. |
| 11:12.34 | at0m|c | let alone vista ;p |
| 11:13.10 | nikos_gr | win7 is better, more quick |
| 11:13.32 | nikos_gr | why debian is quicker than ubuntu |
| 11:13.35 | nikos_gr | they both use gnome |
| 11:13.50 | nikos_gr | but i feel somehow debian is much quicker loading things |
| 11:14.27 | abrotman | that said .. if you know how you can edit the normal debian one to boot single user |
| 11:15.59 | nikos_gr | thanks guys |
| 11:16.06 | nikos_gr | i ahve to go eat |
| 11:16.12 | nikos_gr | take care |
| 11:16.39 | abrotman | wants some food too! |
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| 11:37.38 | Arafangion | wants some food too, but he's already full. |
| 11:39.14 | dam999 | I tried to install sun jdk6 today using 'aptitude install sun-java6-jdk' and whilst i should have been more careful in checking what was going to be removed (which I wasn't) it completely removed gnome desktop and everything that goes with it. What happened?!?! |
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| 11:43.17 | babilen | does getmail support SSL3 ? and could you suggest a nice alternative if not? |
| 11:43.38 | babilen | i know about fetchmail, just looking for alternatives to consider |
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| 11:45.25 | dam999 | If I've configured something wrongly I'd really like to know what i need to fix. |
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| 11:50.36 | abrotman | dam999: you would have had to have seen what it was removing .. |
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| 11:52.00 | dam999 | abrotman: I know it was a stupid mistake not to check, but is there a good reason it wanted to remove gnome? |
| 11:52.17 | abrotman | dam999: i don't see anything that conflicts with it .. so i'm thinking it was just a coincidence |
| 11:52.30 | abrotman | dam999: aptitude install gnome .. does it want to remove anything ? |
| 11:52.54 | dam999 | I've already reinstalled and no it didn't remove anything. |
| 11:53.38 | abrotman | because if the way aptitude works, if it removes the 'gnome' package for whatever reason, it will remove auto-installed packages if nothing else depends on them |
| 11:54.00 | abrotman | you could 'unmarkauto' the less gnome metapackages |
| 11:54.04 | abrotman | lesser |
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| 11:54.30 | dam999 | Is this common? |
| 11:55.01 | abrotman | to use unmarkauto or the uninstallation of big packages? |
| 11:55.17 | dam999 | the uninstallation part |
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| 11:55.48 | abrotman | if you're not paying attention, sure .. probably more likely with testing/unstable |
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| 11:56.38 | dam999 | I guess I'll have to be more observant / less stupid (take your pick:) in future |
| 11:56.49 | dam999 | Thanks for the input abrotman! |
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| 11:57.20 | abrotman | dam999: as i said .. with gnome you have multiple metapackages .. if you mark them all as installed instead of auto .. it may 'minimize' the damage |
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| 12:01.19 | pj0ta | hello there, people |
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| 12:02.18 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to everybody , good morning |
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| 12:05.15 | pihhan | i am looking for guide to package existing project from source tarball, i think there was tool to ease that |
| 12:05.33 | pihhan | someone remember the name or have link to guide? |
| 12:06.04 | pj0ta | a weird thing is that if I try to connect from the issued machine to localhost,everything is fine |
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| 12:06.42 | pj0ta | but if I try typing the machine IP I get that error, like when I try from the outside |
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| 12:14.11 | CQ | hello, is there a debian dist that fits on a 100MB or less partition? I'm looking for a small emergency installation... |
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| 12:14.32 | eptalon | heyas all |
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| 12:15.23 | eptalon | In a postscript printer, will increasing printer memory increase print speed? |
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| 12:16.31 | russo | is there a way to install only the dependencies with apt-get or aptitude? |
| 12:16.39 | eptalon | I am currently getting a staggering 5 pages per hour... |
| 12:17.26 | abrotman | russo: man aptitude |
| 12:17.35 | CQ | eptalon: if you're fast on text pages and slow on graphics, it could... otherwise, check if there are drivers that could make a difference |
| 12:17.39 | abrotman | !emdebian |
| 12:17.39 | dpkg | it has been said that emdebian is a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distribution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:17.41 | abrotman | maybe ? |
| 12:18.15 | azeem | grip would fit, probably |
| 12:18.18 | azeem | !grip |
| 12:18.18 | dpkg | grip is, like, a GTK-based front-end for CD-rippers such as cdparanoia and cdda2wav. It allows you to rip entire tracks, or pinpoint a section of a track to rip. It plays CDs too.. Removed from Debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515887 |
| 12:18.22 | azeem | hrm |
| 12:18.26 | eptalon | CQ: the printer is specified at 8ppm (hp laserjet 5m), I have seen it spit pages at 4ppm in duplex. |
| 12:18.40 | azeem | dpkg: no, grip is http://www.emdebian.org/grip/ |
| 12:18.40 | dpkg | okay, azeem |
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| 12:18.52 | russo | thanks abrotman, if i ask here i clearly haven't man'ed it yet... all i saw was build-dep but thats not what i want |
| 12:19.00 | eptalon | CQ: I use cups with a psotscript backend |
| 12:19.22 | abrotman | russo: you didn't read very well ... |
| 12:19.26 | eptalon | CQ: tried other backends, but they seemed to be slower. |
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| 12:20.23 | eptalon | CQ: printer has around 20mb memoroy, but is especially slow at printing pdfs, or using PCL... |
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| 12:20.52 | CQ | 20mb should be enough, I have a brother here with less, and it's fairly quick |
| 12:20.58 | russo | abrotman: can you just tell me maybe i just looked at it again |
| 12:21.13 | abrotman | russo: man aptitude then /recommends |
| 12:21.15 | eptalon | CQ: your brother is probably more recent. |
| 12:21.24 | CQ | eptalon: 2003 |
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| 12:21.37 | russo | okay i was looking at apt-get |
| 12:21.52 | CQ | eptalon: maybe the processor in the printer is just old and slow... |
| 12:22.12 | abrotman | still be the same idea |
| 12:22.31 | eptalon | CQ: Laserjet 5M is 1995.. |
| 12:22.39 | russo | but i want to install JUST the dependencies |
| 12:22.45 | CQ | eptalon: well, that's probably your answer :) |
| 12:22.53 | russo | i want to install eclipse, but use the eclipse from the eclipse website |
| 12:23.01 | russo | and get the rest to be installed by aptitude |
| 12:23.10 | CQ | azeem: grip looks good, but U don't see space requirements anywhere... |
| 12:23.18 | eptalon | CQ: big question is: would adding another 20m speed it up? |
| 12:23.20 | CQ | s/U/I/ |
| 12:23.47 | CQ | eptalon: if you were going from 4 -> 8MB I'd say yes, but at 20MB I'd guess not |
| 12:23.57 | azeem | CQ: yeah, it's incredible how non-informative that website is |
| 12:24.10 | azeem | CQ: check the release announcement of it, I think it had the space reqs in it |
| 12:24.16 | eptalon | CQ: gah. that probably means new printer then... |
| 12:24.29 | abrotman | !tell russo about equivs |
| 12:24.34 | CQ | eptalon: a new printer every 15 years can't hurt ... :) |
| 12:25.05 | eptalon | CQ: but those laserjets are built like tanks. |
| 12:25.26 | russo | okay so the short answer was, there is NO way to do it by default |
| 12:25.30 | CQ | eptalon: yes, good printers, but then use it as a text printer, or set up an overnight queue... |
| 12:25.37 | russo | but thank you abrotman, and i mean that sincerely |
| 12:25.48 | abrotman | russo: there is a way |
| 12:25.52 | abrotman | !tell russo about apt recommends |
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| 12:26.03 | abrotman | russo: unless i'm misunderstanding your question |
| 12:26.39 | russo | i just want to install all the dependencies of eclipse |
| 12:26.44 | russo | and download the binary from eclipse.org |
| 12:26.47 | russo | because its newer there |
| 12:28.04 | abrotman | russo: so install the dependencies on their own |
| 12:28.25 | russo | lol... i know :P i thought that there might be a command for it :P |
| 12:28.39 | russo | honestly its easier for me to install eclipse and then also install the binary |
| 12:28.47 | russo | i have to do this on 3 machines |
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| 12:29.15 | CQ | azeem: found it http://www.emdebian.org/release/grip/x289.html says 32MB... guess I can do something minimal and useful in 100MB then |
| 12:29.17 | adb | CQ: apt-cache show debirf ; http://cmrg.mayfirst.org/debirf/debirf-rescue_lenny_2.6.26-1-686.iso |
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| 12:30.23 | CQ | adb: looks interesting, thanks |
| 12:30.55 | adb | The kernel and initrd can be placed in your system boot partition, |
| 12:31.27 | adb | or usb stick |
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| 12:31.52 | CQ | I'm just wondering if this is worth it, as I can always jsut have an emergency USB stick lying around... |
| 12:32.37 | azeem | dpkg: grip is also a compatible but stripped-down version of Debian requiring only 32MB of disk space for a minimal install |
| 12:32.37 | dpkg | azeem: okay |
| 12:32.40 | azeem | !grip |
| 12:32.40 | dpkg | a GTK-based front-end for CD-rippers such as cdparanoia and cdda2wav. Removed from Debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515887 also: http://www.emdebian.org/grip/, or a compatible but stripped-down version of Debian requiring only 32MB of disk space for a minimal install |
| 12:33.05 | azeem | dpkg: no, grip is a compatible but stripped-down version of Debian requiring only 32MB of disk space for a minimal install, see http://www.emdebian.org/grip/ |
| 12:33.05 | dpkg | okay, azeem |
| 12:33.08 | azeem | !grip |
| 12:33.08 | dpkg | well, grip is a compatible but stripped-down version of Debian requiring only 32MB of disk space for a minimal install, see http://www.emdebian.org/grip/ |
| 12:33.34 | abrotman | azeem: sorry, i added that URL back in because people still ask about it |
| 12:33.45 | azeem | oh, ok |
| 12:33.55 | azeem | can we put it at the end then? |
| 12:33.59 | abrotman | i'll append it |
| 12:34.11 | azeem | I thought it was my bot-fail |
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| 12:34.40 | abrotman | better ? |
| 12:34.47 | abrotman | !grip |
| 12:34.47 | dpkg | grip is probably a compatible but stripped-down version of Debian requiring only 32MB of disk space for a minimal install, see http://www.emdebian.org/grip/, or an old GTK-based front-end for CD-ripping: Removed from Debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515887 |
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| 12:38.20 | CQ | how much is ubuntu using from debina, and how many packages are they rolling themselves, any idea? |
| 12:38.59 | abrotman | you would want to ask #ubuntu that question |
| 12:39.00 | eptalon | very basic question: Is it possible to install "filters" in cups that drop more complex jobs in a different queue? |
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| 12:39.47 | DexterF | hi |
| 12:40.14 | DexterF | how can I disable a sound card only once for testing, like with a kernel boot parameter or such? |
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| 12:42.01 | izzyb-eeepc | !wifi |
| 12:42.01 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <rt2x00>, <rt28xx>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 12:43.30 | nickgrey147 | Can someone help i compiled wine in 64bit lenny , and i want to play war3 , all works , i set the res with wine regedit , but the res wont set properly , its makeing it look like 600x900 instead of 1440x900 , has this happend to any1 before |
| 12:44.18 | adb | nickgrey147: try > /j #winehq |
| 12:44.29 | atomiku | So what I want to do is change my mac address, then have eth0 (internet) grab a new IP from my ISPs DHCP server.s How can I do this? |
| 12:44.39 | nickgrey147 | adb: ahhh good idea sorry |
| 12:44.44 | atomiku | If I change my mac address, eth0 down then eth0 up, it wont get a new IP. I have to reboot the bot |
| 12:44.45 | atomiku | *box |
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| 12:50.04 | The_Dark_Angel | Oi gente |
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| 12:50.06 | The_Dark_Angel | beleza? |
| 12:50.11 | The_Dark_Angel | algum brsileiro ? |
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| 12:51.53 | The_Dark_Angel | como q se conversa aki? |
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| 12:52.53 | azeem | !es |
| 12:52.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:52.55 | azeem | !pt |
| 12:52.56 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 12:52.56 | azeem | sorry |
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| 12:55.46 | hexmode | shell |
| 12:56.19 | The_Dark_Angel | nem da pra conversa q paia |
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| 12:56.52 | azeem | The_Dark_Angel: this is an english language channel |
| 12:56.56 | azeem | !pt |
| 12:56.56 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 12:58.03 | The_Dark_Angel | ok |
| 12:58.10 | The_Dark_Angel | i am from Brazil |
| 12:58.20 | azeem | The_Dark_Angel: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 12:58.27 | The_Dark_Angel | do not speak english |
| 12:58.37 | nkuttler | !pt |
| 12:58.37 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 12:58.39 | azeem | then go to #debian-br |
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| 12:59.20 | The_Dark_Angel | ok |
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| 13:01.08 | The_Dark_Angel | tem algum brasilieiro na sala? |
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| 13:01.15 | abrotman | !br |
| 13:01.15 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 13:01.54 | allisonvoll | The_Dark_Angel entra no canal #debian-br |
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| 13:02.20 | chaplja| | Zoran |
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| 13:03.59 | The_Dark_Angel | como eu entro tenho q mudar de sala? |
| 13:04.36 | abrotman | The_Dark_Angel: /join #debian-br |
| 13:05.07 | The_Dark_Angel | you is hungry kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk |
| 13:05.20 | abrotman | this isn't going to last long |
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| 13:10.39 | Kuifje111 | hello there |
| 13:10.57 | Kuifje111 | i am wondering, is NetGear GA311 supported by debian? |
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| 13:11.11 | Kuifje111 | i tried to search it on the site, but could not find it |
| 13:12.28 | matt76761 | I installed Adobe Flash Player version 10.0.22.87 for Linux. Under "dpkg -l" it shows: "ii adobe-flashplugin 10.0.22.87-1 Adobe Flash Player plugin version 10", however, the plugin is not under about : plugins in Firefox. Do I have to make some sort of softlink? |
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| 13:13.59 | abrotman | !ga311 |
| 13:14.21 | abrotman | matt76761: yes .. update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so |
| 13:14.31 | abrotman | matt76761: you migth have to add it as an option |
| 13:14.36 | abrotman | Kuifje111: do you know the chipset ? |
| 13:14.56 | Kuifje111 | no, i have not bought it yet, i am planning to buy a new card |
| 13:16.06 | abrotman | did oyu google the chipset? |
| 13:16.07 | Kuifje111 | the chipset is RealTek 8169 probably. |
| 13:16.13 | Kuifje111 | i just did |
| 13:17.31 | abrotman | !rt8169 |
| 13:17.35 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 13:17.35 | dpkg | moin moin, abrotman |
| 13:17.44 | abrotman | !rtl8169 |
| 13:17.47 | abrotman | gives up |
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| 13:18.28 | Kuifje111 | ok, so what would you advice? |
| 13:18.30 | zoddan | anyone runs FreeNAS here? |
| 13:18.32 | Kuifje111 | buy it or not? |
| 13:18.42 | abrotman | oh .. says it's in the kernel already |
| 13:18.43 | zoddan | having problem with choosing the parition number, evertyhgin is wrong |
| 13:19.06 | abrotman | zoddan: is that a debian package? |
| 13:19.15 | Kuifje111 | abrotman, the driver is included into the kernel? |
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| 13:19.30 | abrotman | it would seem so |
| 13:19.34 | zoddan | abrotman: no |
| 13:19.37 | abrotman | not sure about that specific device |
| 13:19.38 | zoddan | abrotman: LiveCD |
| 13:19.52 | abrotman | zoddan: this is #debian .. we do not support debian derivatives here |
| 13:20.10 | zoddan | abrotman: so where do i have to go? |
| 13:20.20 | Kuifje111 | zoddan, maybe you should join #linux |
| 13:20.24 | zoddan | abrotman: i have |
| 13:20.27 | zoddan | they dont awnser |
| 13:20.29 | abrotman | zoddan: #freenas or ##linux |
| 13:20.36 | zoddan | #freenas i idle |
| 13:20.37 | Kuifje111 | zodan, be patient |
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| 13:20.41 | zoddan | no one alive in there |
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| 13:21.01 | abrotman | zoddan: we sitll don't support it here |
| 13:21.04 | phet | Hello, what package should I install to use sun's java? I cant find it |
| 13:21.13 | abrotman | !tell phet about install java |
| 13:21.16 | zoddan | Kuifje111: well i ned to get it up now, not 4 days from now |
| 13:21.26 | phet | abrotman, thanks |
| 13:21.30 | abrotman | zoddan: you're offtopic here, if you persist you can be banned |
| 13:21.36 | zoddan | so there is no one in here at all that knows that dist? |
| 13:21.40 | zoddan | ok |
| 13:21.46 | zoddan | talk about booring ppl :P |
| 13:22.01 | abrotman | and then he insults us |
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| 13:22.12 | nkuttler | classic, isn't it? |
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| 13:22.36 | phet | abrotman, should I add something to source.lst ? apt-cache search sun-java return me nothing |
| 13:22.48 | abrotman | phet: do you ahve non-free sources enabled ? |
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| 13:24.16 | phet | oops apt-spy by default disables non free |
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| 13:25.46 | matt76761 | abrotman: thanks! update-alternatives did the job. |
| 13:26.00 | abrotman | ok! |
| 13:26.16 | IamSOG | just found out doctor who's personal computer runs on Debian :D |
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| 13:27.36 | Stealthii | hi there. I'm using the instructions provided at http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#DomU.28guest.29 |
| 13:27.45 | Stealthii | to install a lenny guest under xen |
| 13:28.00 | Stealthii | however I want to use /vm/lenny.img as the disk image file |
| 13:28.26 | Stealthii | in the xm-debian.cfg it looks like it wants access to a physical disk device |
| 13:28.53 | Stealthii | how can I change this? |
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| 13:36.49 | phet | how can I remove gij from my system? I want to use sun-java |
| 13:38.47 | \amethyst | phet: update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun (or java-1.5.0-sun) |
| 13:39.01 | \amethyst | phet: that won't remove gij, but it will make java, javac, etc. use the Sun version |
| 13:39.22 | phet | thanks awesome |
| 13:40.47 | \amethyst | phet: if you really need to remove gij, aptitude remove '^gij' (every package starting with 'gij'---that will catch gij-4.2 gij-4.3 etc) |
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| 13:41.07 | phet | thanks! that was more than awesome |
| 13:42.03 | DexterF | how can I disable a kernel module at boot time only once? |
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| 13:43.10 | abrotman | DexterF: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=kernel+option+blacklist+module&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= |
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| 13:45.37 | DexterF | abrotman: read my entire sentence |
| 13:47.13 | abrotman | i did |
| 13:47.44 | abrotman | i thought the first result was what you were looking for .. i was wrong |
| 13:49.59 | abrotman | DexterF: did you ask ##kernel ? |
| 13:50.14 | abrotman | DexterF: is this during the installer or on a running system ? |
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| 13:52.02 | mischief6 | anyone know by chance if the debian boost dev packages have precompiled libraries? |
| 13:52.19 | DexterF | abrotman: running system. but - i need to open the box anyway, ill just pluck the soundcard out for testing |
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| 13:53.02 | Think-Free | Hi ! I'm looking for a librairy to build a virtual keyboard for Xorg .. any ideas ? |
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| 13:54.05 | grawity | Hi there. How do I use mod_suphp in Debian Lenny? |
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| 13:54.35 | maher | i have a local machine A and a remote machine B - I want to run a process on A but have the process think it is on B network wise - what's a good way of doing this? |
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| 13:56.24 | nkuttler | maher: hm? |
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| 13:57.39 | maher | nkuttler: ok - here's one way i could do it - run the process in a xen instance and route all packets from the xen host via B - is there a way of doing this with less overhead? |
| 13:58.30 | nkuttler | maher: no idea |
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| 13:58.48 | \amethyst | maher: ssh port forwarding maybe? |
| 13:59.18 | \amethyst | hm, guess that won't work |
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| 13:59.23 | maher | \amethyst: i'm running a bad process that may try and find out its ip address in some sneaky way |
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| 14:00.53 | mavhc | vpn? |
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| 14:01.26 | maher | mavhc: but can i stop the process accessing the network except over the vpn? |
| 14:02.02 | maher | can i run a per process namespace with the vpn? |
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| 14:03.40 | nibbler_ | maher: netfilter (iptables) can filter by pid |
| 14:04.36 | maher | i think i want network namespaces |
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| 14:05.19 | maher | nibbler_: i'm signed up for rhapsody but they only let you access from the US and I'm in japan, i suspect their local client checks the ip address so i'm trying to fool it |
| 14:05.39 | rastafreund | fools dem a |
| 14:05.52 | nibbler_ | maher: i guess the server checks the ip.... |
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| 14:06.39 | maher | nibbler_: i don't know if it only sends stuff over port 80 (which would be easy to proxy) and I don't want to find out the hard way |
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| 14:07.40 | nibbler_ | maher: you use a us proxy, and cant get the content? |
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| 14:10.00 | maher | nibbler_: i haven't tried a html proxy as i suspect they use some non port 80 communication |
| 14:10.33 | nibbler_ | maher: so you use vpn? |
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| 14:11.20 | maher | nibbler_: i don't know much about vpn - can the local machine find out its on a vpn? |
| 14:11.45 | abrotman | maher: have you done anyhting special to your computer/network ? or it's just you and an ISP modem ? |
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| 14:12.20 | nibbler_ | maher: i would not suspect the software to do such things, i guess it just connects to the server and this decides by ip, maybe open proxy ports etc if it will allow connection or not |
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| 14:13.21 | maher | abrotman: just me an isp ( i may be NATed) and my remote machine |
| 14:13.39 | maher | nibbler_: you are very unsuspectful |
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| 14:14.17 | nibbler_ | maher: client side enforced security just does not work properly, thats why this is usually done server side |
| 14:14.25 | nibbler_ | *should usualy be done... |
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| 14:15.13 | maher | nibbler_: obviously the server can check which ip address the packets are coming from - i don't trust the local process not to gid around too... |
| 14:15.23 | maher | s/gid/dig/ |
| 14:15.51 | nibbler_ | maher, just monitor its network communication... easy to find out to what peers it talks |
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| 14:17.08 | abrotman | maher: i'm confused why you expect this to work .. you're in japan .. they only allow .us connections |
| 14:17.34 | maher | abrotman: i'm going to somehow tunnel all the packets through a machine i have in the us |
| 14:18.12 | abrotman | maher: okay .. but you haven't done this yet? |
| 14:18.31 | maher | abrotman: no - i'm pondering the best way to do this |
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| 14:18.54 | nibbler_ | maher, setup openvpn, route target ips or process id to this tunnel, done |
| 14:19.09 | abrotman | maher: a VPN or ssh tunnel |
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| 14:19.41 | nibbler_ | abrotman: if this client has fixed dst ip, how could one forge the connection into a ssh tunnel? |
| 14:19.54 | abrotman | routing ? |
| 14:20.12 | maher | ok - i'll try openvpn and see what happens |
| 14:20.49 | nibbler_ | abrotman: wont be enough, how would you set the route, to your localhost, as this is where the tunnel starts? the packet is already at localhost so... |
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| 14:22.03 | nibbler_ | abrotman: maybe packets with this dst could be mangled by netfilter to enter the tunnel, so get dst=localhost.... |
| 14:22.17 | abrotman | iptables i think you mean ? |
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| 14:22.42 | nibbler_ | abrotman: iptables is the cli interface to netfilter, so i mean... both :D |
| 14:22.56 | nkuttler | maher: isn't rhapsody just a download service? |
| 14:23.10 | nkuttler | if so, ssh -Y |
| 14:23.11 | maher | nkuttler: they stream as well |
| 14:23.17 | nkuttler | ah, i see |
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| 14:23.29 | pzn | Hi, I have a debian lenny machine with amd-k6 processor and linux-image-2.6.26-2-486. which is the best kernel for this processor? will -686 run? I have no keyboard/display in this machine, so if I just try to upgrade to -686 and it fails, will be a pain to fix it... will -686 run on amd-k6? |
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| 14:23.39 | maher | nkuttler: i want to play the stream on the local machine... |
| 14:23.50 | cthuluh | pzn: yeah |
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| 14:24.59 | pzn | cthuluh: so -686 is the better kernel option for amd-k6? |
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| 14:25.48 | cthuluh | psn: yes sure it is. |
| 14:26.33 | Zumbii | Hi. I upgraded ALSA -- and am suddenly getting serious modprobe errors. What's the fix? |
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| 14:31.26 | nkuttler | any ideas why my kernel doesn't recognize partitions created on a mac? i have set CONFIG_MAC_PARTITION=y.. |
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| 14:31.47 | nkuttler | Zumbii: what do you mean by upgraded? |
| 14:32.35 | cthuluh | nkuttler: Do you have the support for hfs+ filesystem ? |
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| 14:32.59 | Zumbii | nkuttler: apt-get update |
| 14:33.04 | maher | can i use openvpn if i am behind a NAT? |
| 14:33.12 | nkuttler | cthuluh: sure.. |
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| 14:33.20 | nkuttler | Zumbii: that doesn't change anything |
| 14:33.38 | abrotman | pzn: the -686 will not work |
| 14:33.47 | abrotman | cthuluh: that -686 won't work on k6 |
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| 14:34.13 | Zumbii | nkuttler: well it did. And it appears that others have this issue. It'd be nice to come here and get a clue. |
| 14:34.32 | nkuttler | Zumbii: apt-get update doesn't change anything on your system |
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| 14:34.39 | Zumbii | ... |
| 14:34.40 | nkuttler | Zumbii: maybe you did *upgrade*? |
| 14:34.41 | abrotman | or they'll both ignore me ... |
| 14:35.07 | cthuluh | psn: sorry i just checked i did upgrade to a K7 |
| 14:35.11 | Zumbii | nkuttler: ya, that's what I meant. YOU SO SMART. |
| 14:35.13 | Zumbii | ... |
| 14:35.15 | nkuttler | Zumbii: if that is the case you might have gotten a new kernel and should have been told to reboot |
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| 14:35.40 | Zumbii | I simply upgraded ALSA. |
| 14:35.44 | abrotman | cthuluh: and now he's gone .. |
| 14:35.51 | nkuttler | Zumbii: define alsa |
| 14:35.52 | abrotman | oh .. no he's not |
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| 14:36.04 | abrotman | cthuluh: pzn the -686 uses some bits that the k6 doesn't implement IIRC |
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| 14:36.21 | Zumbii | forget it nkuttler. Maybe someone else here is interested. |
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| 14:36.28 | Zumbii | likely not. |
| 14:36.39 | nkuttler | Zumbii: i am, but you're not providing any useful information |
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| 14:36.50 | Zumbii | I think this is a well-known problem. |
| 14:37.01 | nkuttler | Zumbii: then check the bts |
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| 14:37.22 | Zumbii | I'n trying to be smart about this. COming to #debian never seems smart. |
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| 14:37.37 | nkuttler | too bad.. |
| 14:37.40 | nkuttler | !smart questions |
| 14:37.40 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 14:37.49 | abrotman | did he ever tell you what the error was ? |
| 14:37.54 | nkuttler | no |
| 14:38.00 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 14:38.08 | nkuttler | oh, he said "modprobe errors" |
| 14:38.15 | abrotman | yes .. the actual errors i meant |
| 14:38.19 | abrotman | pzn_: did it work ? |
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| 14:39.12 | pzn_ | cthuluh, abrotman: no, -686 did not work on amd-k6, I had to go back to -486 |
| 14:39.28 | abrotman | pzn_: so you didn't see any thing i said ? |
| 14:39.33 | abrotman | cthuluh: ^^^ |
| 14:40.15 | pzn_ | abrotman: no, it is my gateway... when I rebooted it, my notebook conection was gone... |
| 14:40.32 | pzn_ | abrotman: can you post me again? may be in private |
| 14:40.44 | abrotman | pzn_: the -686 uses bits the k6 didn't implement IIRC .. you're stuck with the -486 or compile your own |
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| 14:42.05 | pzn_ | abrotman: ok, thanks! I'll compile the same /boot/config-2.6.26-486, just changing the processor type. |
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| 14:42.31 | abrotman | pzn_: just remember that you'll be responsible for security issues (/msg dpkg dsa) |
| 14:42.43 | abrotman | thinks it probably isn't worth it though |
| 14:42.52 | pzn_ | abrotman: sure! |
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| 14:46.27 | phet | Hello, how can I install netbeans without open-jdk ? |
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| 14:50.14 | nottobi | d |
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| 14:53.42 | fen__ | hi |
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| 14:55.33 | fen__ | little problem: started screen... inside screen started mc... mc needs the "F9"-Key for menu... but screen uses F9 for menu, too... so when i press F9 in mc, the screen-menu comes up... how can i change the screen F9 to CTRL-F9? |
| 14:56.19 | fen__ | got through quite a view configuration-files... but i dont get it... goggle doesnt help atm , too |
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| 14:57.52 | hark | screen menu? |
| 14:58.47 | fen__ | yes... not really debian... ubuntu904... but there noone seems to use the console just those cklicky-programms |
| 14:58.52 | creature_ | whats a good filemanager? |
| 14:59.11 | creature_ | Nautilus and Thunar are horrible |
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| 14:59.21 | creature_ | Konqueror might be little too heavy |
| 14:59.44 | fen__ | hark and there you can use F9 in a screen-session for a menu to display load, mem, etc. at the bottom |
| 15:00.15 | fen__ | usefull.. i just want to change this F9 to CTRL-F9 |
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| 15:01.27 | hark | creature_: pcmanfm maybe |
| 15:02.29 | creature_ | k |
| 15:03.33 | fen__ | oh... and the alternative Alt-9 in mc does not work in xterm, too... there is just a little 1 at the bottom then |
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| 15:03.58 | fen__ | alt-f9 inside screen in mc on tty1 does work |
| 15:04.35 | fen__ | anyone knows why it dowsnt do in xterm?... this would be a workaround |
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| 15:05.28 | hark | you can try metaSendsEscape for alt issues in xterm |
| 15:06.01 | sladi | creature_: Worker |
| 15:06.10 | creature_ | i fucking hate when in Detailed List they have those different background colors |
| 15:06.12 | hark | as far as a toggled screen status/caption, i have no idea. check your .screenrc |
| 15:06.13 | creature_ | for each item |
| 15:06.13 | fen__ | hark how? |
| 15:06.38 | fen__ | i checked .screenrc sllready |
| 15:06.48 | hark | also, it's better if you ask in your own distro's channel |
| 15:06.48 | fen__ | i see nothing about F9 there |
| 15:07.35 | fen__ | hark: i know. ^^ but debian-ppl are normaly more competent with console-tools ;) |
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| 15:10.11 | hark | fen__: ~/.screenrc/keybindings |
| 15:10.23 | fen__ | ok, changed screen-profile to "plain" from "ubuntu-xyz"... now it works with the "F9-Key"... but i would like to have these status-things at the bottom from the ubuntu-profile |
| 15:10.48 | creature_ | pcmanfm fucking sucks |
| 15:11.02 | creature_ | it doesn't let you change coloring or distances |
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| 15:12.09 | creature_ | why does every filemanager have to have this alternating background color shit for each item http://i44.tinypic.com/f2kkut.png |
| 15:12.14 | creature_ | its just annoying |
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| 15:12.41 | fen__ | hark yes i thought it has to do with the file "keybindings" but here is just a ~/.screen-profiles/keybindings |
| 15:12.52 | hark | pcmanfm is mainly supposed to be fast and lightweight |
| 15:12.57 | nibbler_ | likes altenrating background colors |
| 15:13.09 | creature_ | yea well i want to have highly customizible |
| 15:13.19 | fen__ | and in this "source /usr/share/screen-profiles/keybindings/common |
| 15:13.31 | hark | creature_: that depends on your theme |
| 15:13.54 | creature_ | the thing has themes? |
| 15:14.00 | creature_ | yea i want something that supports themes |
| 15:14.01 | hark | fen__: ask #ubuntu |
| 15:14.08 | creature_ | so i can make my own theme |
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| 15:14.26 | fen__ | and there is it... fuck... i thought i had gone through that file |
| 15:14.33 | smacnay | I see that gst-fluendo and gst-plugins-bad conflict. Is there any way to get them to coexist? I have one app that requires gst-bad and another that requires gst-fluendo. |
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| 15:15.24 | creature_ | and i want 17px height per item |
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| 15:15.52 | creature_ | pcmanfm has 23 |
| 15:15.56 | creature_ | not acceptable |
| 15:16.37 | Rusty1 | xffm is still out there somewhere |
| 15:17.00 | creature_ | its customizable? |
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| 15:18.49 | g00se_ | Are there volatile mirrors? |
| 15:18.50 | Sebboh- | Hi. My system uses a jffs2 filesystem on a 1GiB flash memory (it's an OLPC XO-1). So I want to use tmpfs for a lot of stuff like /var/cache/apt/archives. But everytime I reboot, I have to manually recreate the "partial" subdir. Is there a general purpose solution to this? (existing util to setup structure in various tmpfs on boot?) |
| 15:19.45 | Rusty1 | http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xffm << creature_ |
| 15:19.58 | g00se_ | Sebboh: Why not just get rid of the archives after install? |
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| 15:20.21 | hark | creature_: no, i meant the gtk theme |
| 15:20.38 | Sebboh- | g00se_, because writing to my filesystem in the first place is computationally expensive. ...jffs2 filesystem... |
| 15:20.49 | ddafsddds | yawns ? |
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| 15:21.14 | Sebboh- | tmpfs works fine for me, aside from losing sub-dir structures, g00se_. |
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| 15:21.16 | hark | creature_: you can set it to #FFFFF if you don't like the odd/even colors |
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| 15:21.34 | ddafsddds | yawns ? |
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| 15:22.18 | creature_ | hark: how bout the height of item containers? |
| 15:22.38 | creature_ | even when you set iconsize to 12x12 the actual container height remains 23px |
| 15:22.50 | creature_ | thats wasting space |
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| 15:27.31 | creature_ | hark: the background image support is broken |
| 15:27.48 | creature_ | yet another piece of shit filemanager |
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| 15:29.09 | eptalon | heyas |
| 15:29.16 | creature_ | Rusty1: debian repos don't have xffm |
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| 15:33.43 | asperon | anybody know i i can disable taping on my touchpad without installing gsynaptic (since i am running fxce i dont want to install all the gnome libs)? |
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| 15:34.58 | abrotman | asperon: synclient ? man 5 synaptic ? |
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| 15:35.18 | abrotman | (i don't have a touchpad thank goodness) |
| 15:35.25 | amphi_ | asperon: there's an xorg.conf option IIRC, something like setting the tap-to-click timeout to zero |
| 15:35.37 | amphi_ | google will know |
| 15:36.13 | amphi | bloody tail |
| 15:36.46 | Sebboh- | "bloody tail" is what you get when you rm /bin/cat :P |
| 15:36.49 | asperon | amphi: thnx |
| 15:36.54 | abrotman | looks at the tail on the floor |
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| 15:38.05 | \amethyst | asperon: to be fair, gsynaptics only depends on a few libraries that aren't also depended on by xfce |
| 15:38.16 | Sebboh- | Also, cat(1) is everything from head(1) to tail(1). heh heh heh. |
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| 15:38.23 | asperon | Ametrine: apt wanted to install something like 20 packages |
| 15:38.45 | abrotman | when you remove gsynaptic .. those should get rmoeved |
| 15:38.50 | abrotman | wow .. removed |
| 15:40.31 | asperon | abrotman: ok, ill try that |
| 15:40.33 | asperon | thnx |
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| 15:40.35 | Rusty1 | creature_: it was in backports IIRC, tho i dont find it now |
| 15:40.36 | g00se_ | Can someone tell me the correct line for sources.list for lenny security updates at ftp://ftp.ticklers.org/debian-security/dists/lenny/ |
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| 15:41.20 | abrotman | g00se_: deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 15:41.44 | g00se_ | abrotman: Thanks but it must be ftp |
| 15:41.52 | abrotman | uh .. why? |
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| 15:42.04 | g00se_ | abrotman: http problems |
| 15:42.10 | shardz | I'm having trouble installing a font by hand... I've put the font dir in /usr/share/fonts, the permissions are good, I've run mkfontdir, and added the apropriate line to xorg.conf, but nothing seems to see the font. I've used the same font (profont) on countless other distros. :/ |
| 15:42.23 | vkab | try scp |
| 15:42.47 | abrotman | g00se_: wouldn't it make more sense to fix those? |
| 15:43.35 | Rusty1 | http://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/debian-archive/pool/main/x/xffm4/ << creature_ |
| 15:43.53 | abrotman | that's in the archive .. and may not work on lenny |
| 15:44.17 | g00se_ | abrotman: Well it's a long story - i've got a dispute with my ISP. I'm proxying thru ssh. apt doesn't like that one bit |
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| 15:44.48 | abrotman | g00se_: so change it to ftp isntead of http |
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| 15:47.20 | g00se_ | abrotman: As in ftp://security.debian.org ? |
| 15:47.38 | abrotman | i believe that works |
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| 15:49.06 | g00se_ | abrotman: Nope: |
| 15:49.09 | g00se_ | Err ftp://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages Unable to fetch file, server said âFailed to open file. â [IP: 130.89.149.225 21] |
| 15:49.32 | abrotman | g00se_: that's not what i typed |
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| 15:51.41 | mib_a8xf4d | NEED A help i tried to install Debian but in said GRUB INSTALLATION FAILED /target .I finished installation without bootloader.Now screen says grub > (How to boot Debian) |
| 15:51.47 | enouf | Supaplex: hrm, why not just use chroot? |
| 15:51.48 | g00se_ | abrotman: I'm not with you. You typed an http url. I need an ftp one |
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| 15:52.20 | enouf | mib_a8xf4d: try what /msg dpkg rescue mode tells you |
| 15:53.08 | g00se_ | abrotman: Can you please give me the exact line. I've main contrib and non-free in my original |
| 15:53.59 | abrotman | g00se_: deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 15:54.05 | enouf | heh |
| 15:54.06 | abrotman | see how i typed it .. differently? |
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| 15:54.32 | mib_a8xf4d | enouf: rescue mode also says grub install failed... when i tried shell command line grub-install dev/sda ( it says command not found) |
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| 15:55.10 | enouf | mib_a8xf4d: you do more like this from the grub shell; http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 15:55.17 | g00se_ | abrotman: That's http - i need ftp |
| 15:55.35 | Caelum | what's the default mysql password on debian? |
| 15:55.41 | abrotman | if you can't figure out what you need from that, you've got problems |
| 15:55.44 | abrotman | Caelum: for which user? |
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| 15:56.16 | Caelum | abrotman: root |
| 15:56.19 | enouf | mib_a8xf4d: try 'find /boot/grub/stage1' ; then 'root (hd[TAB]' ; setup ... |
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| 15:56.29 | abrotman | Caelum: i didn't think it set one ? |
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| 15:56.58 | aburch | Caelum: None (in older versions at least, newer should prompt for one). |
| 15:57.27 | Caelum | ah, I must have set it and forgot what I set it to :( |
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| 15:58.23 | aburch | Caelum: IIRC Debian creates an additional system user. You should be able to finde the user name and password in /etc/mysql/debian.cf or something similar. |
| 15:58.59 | g00se_ | abrotman: If you mean if i can't figure out how to change an http protocol to an ftp one in a url, i assure you i can. Doing so does *not* work |
| 15:59.17 | abrotman | yes, it does .. you typed it in wrong .. compare what you typed vs what i typed |
| 15:59.18 | Caelum | aburch: yay it worked, thank you! |
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| 15:59.27 | enouf | shardz: i'm not sure it should go into /usr/share/fonts - tried ~/.fonts ? how about running 'dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config' and see the related man page? |
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| 15:59.48 | enouf | and / or /usr/share/doc/font{-}config* ? |
| 15:59.51 | shardz | Yeah, I just played around with .fonts.conf and .fonts. |
| 15:59.53 | shardz | And it works. |
| 16:00.59 | g00se_ | abrotman: I'll paste yours in instead... |
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| 16:01.51 | abrotman | g00se_: hold on |
| 16:02.15 | adb | g00se_: deg ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main |
| 16:02.30 | adb | ah , deb* |
| 16:03.00 | abrotman | g00se_: my apologies .. i forgot it was different for ftp .. my fault .. you can hit me now |
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| 16:05.54 | suinestudio | hy everyone, im gettin an error trying to install libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 |
| 16:06.02 | suinestudio | says that theres no release candidate |
| 16:06.07 | abrotman | though i'd still fix the http instead of using ftp |
| 16:06.11 | suinestudio | where do i check wich repository gots this file? |
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| 16:06.22 | abrotman | apt-cache policy |
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| 16:08.07 | derchris | hiho. got a question. not really debian specific, but that the distro i use atm. I'm looking for a backup solution for my system, which can do ftp, and is also able to do mysql backups. does anybody know of a got one ? |
| 16:08.13 | derchris | good |
| 16:09.42 | g00se_ | abrotman: No problems. I've only just finished hitting myself so i've no more energy left to hit you |
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| 16:10.00 | log69 | ftp is too old and passwords and datas go unencrypted over the network, you should look for something with ssh or sftp in my opinion |
| 16:10.15 | Fanisk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.17 | derchris | but I only have ftp on the other end |
| 16:10.22 | abrotman | Fanisk: change your password |
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| 16:10.31 | verboy | Hello to all |
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| 16:10.36 | abrotman | g00se_: you really should fix the http .. |
| 16:10.39 | \amethyst | someone's a doom fan |
| 16:10.47 | derchris | and the ftp is only avail. from the internal network |
| 16:10.55 | verboy | I have a prob during install of DEBIAN in a sparc machine |
| 16:11.05 | g00se_ | abrotman: That will happen when i switch ISP |
| 16:11.11 | verboy | SUN fire V480R with ULTra sparc iii cu |
| 16:11.20 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 16:11.20 | dpkg | sparc is probably the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC |
| 16:12.32 | log69 | derchris: duplicity maybe? |
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| 16:13.19 | log69 | derchris: it would send data encrypted |
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| 16:14.10 | derchris | looks good. it us using a rsyn lib |
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| 16:14.42 | derchris | i will give it a try |
| 16:14.58 | derchris | thanks log69 |
| 16:15.31 | log69 | derchris: u're welcome |
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| 16:26.06 | uvvtu | вÑем пÑÐ¸Ð²ÐµÑ |
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| 16:26.21 | uvvtu | еÑÑÑ ÑдеÑÑ ÑÑÑÑкие |
| 16:26.21 | azeem | !ru |
| 16:26.21 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:27.33 | ix | !no |
| 16:27.33 | dpkg | No Offense |
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| 16:28.23 | NativeAngels | hello i have a openvz container with linux on it but when i go to use winscp with it im getting Cannot initialize SFTP protocol. Is the host running a SFTP server? ssh is installed any ideas how to fix this |
| 16:28.25 | g00se_ | adb: thanks |
| 16:28.41 | abrotman | !.no |
| 16:28.41 | dpkg | [.no] Norway |
| 16:28.43 | abrotman | ix: ^^ |
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| 16:29.28 | \amethyst | NativeAngels: you can ssh to it though? |
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| 16:30.06 | NativeAngels | yes |
| 16:31.15 | uvvtu | где ÑÑÑÑкие |
| 16:31.31 | azeem | uvvtu: this is an english-language channel |
| 16:32.18 | NativeAngels | yes i can <\ammethyst> |
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| 16:32.44 | chaplja| | i don't have computer |
| 16:32.56 | uvvtu | лÑди помогиÑе |
| 16:33.01 | adb | uvvtu: pishete tak > /join #debian-russian |
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| 16:33.22 | uvvtu | да Ñам ÑÑиÑÑ Ð¸Ñ
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| 16:34.08 | chaplja| | cool script |
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| 16:35.50 | \amethyst | NativeAngels: does it have /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server ? |
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| 16:41.16 | Bert_2 | Hi, I saw that teamspeak-server is available in lenny but not in etch, does anyone know a good repo or deb package so I can install it on my test server without having to use the evil official installer ? |
| 16:41.23 | Bert_2 | (and yes I googled for it) |
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| 16:42.55 | hoohah | hi guys. is there an alternative to gimp that uses gtk? |
| 16:42.58 | hoohah | i can't get gimp installed because of the webkit fiasco |
| 16:43.24 | Bert_2 | hoohah: inkscape ? |
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| 16:43.45 | hoohah | Bert_2: i thought that was simply for vector art |
| 16:43.49 | hoohah | or svg, whatever the hell that is |
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| 16:44.07 | azeem | hoohah: gimp uses gtk |
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| 16:44.15 | Bert_2 | hoohah: inkscape has many functions, it's hard to tell exactly what it does |
| 16:44.18 | abrotman | i think he means something else |
| 16:44.23 | Caelum | I have a fucked mysql install on my laptop, how do I completely purge everything mysql related so I can reinstall? I tried --purge and rm -rf /var/lib/mysql |
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| 16:44.25 | abrotman | hoohah: what exactly do you need to do with the images ? |
| 16:44.49 | hoohah | azeem: gimp depends on webkit (libwebkit, i think,) which isn't available to be installed. So it's automatically blocked from installation |
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| 16:45.04 | azeem | hoohah: so don't use unstable if you want to use your computer productively |
| 16:45.14 | hoohah | abrotman: basic paint stuff. but I don't mind gimps interface |
| 16:45.20 | hoohah | azeem: that wasn't really the question |
| 16:45.22 | hoohah | but thanks |
| 16:45.43 | Bert_2 | hoohah: you can force install it without having all dependancies solved |
| 16:45.56 | Bert_2 | hoohah: look in the many pages of apt-get |
| 16:45.57 | Caelum | hoohah: if something doesn't install from sid you can always try installing from testing |
| 16:45.59 | azeem | Bert_2: don't advise to force anything in here |
| 16:46.02 | hoohah | Bert_2: oh! that'd be nice as i don't really need the help engine that relises on webkit |
| 16:46.11 | Caelum | hoohah: aptitude install gimp/testing |
| 16:46.12 | hoohah | *relies |
| 16:46.34 | Bert_2 | azeem: he wants to use unstable for productivity, so forcing is hiw own problem |
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| 16:46.44 | Bert_2 | s/hiw/his |
| 16:46.45 | hoohah | Caelum: would that still require pinning, or would the more recent stuff from unstable take precedence? |
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| 16:47.20 | netkevin | Is a "kernel module" that's built into the kernel still referred to as a kernel module? |
| 16:47.34 | netkevin | And more importantly, can it be disabled? |
| 16:47.47 | Bert_2 | netkevin: every module can be disabled and blacklisted |
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| 16:48.07 | azeem | it's built-in |
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| 16:48.30 | netkevin | Bert_2: That's good to know. I'm having trouble googling this info because it's all about loadable modules. |
| 16:48.37 | Caelum | hoohah: no pinning required |
| 16:48.43 | hoohah | cheers |
| 16:48.43 | Caelum | hoohah: you just say package/from-where |
| 16:50.00 | hoohah | Caelum: that'd require that both releases be nabled in soucres.list? |
| 16:50.04 | hoohah | typos aside |
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| 16:50.22 | rapha | Hi all! |
| 16:50.50 | Caelum | hoohah: yup |
| 16:50.57 | rapha | What is the real sense of "dpkg --clear-selections"? Would it be a sensible command to issue if I want to get rid of old packages that are not needed anymore? |
| 16:51.40 | azeem | rapha: don't use dpkg for package management |
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| 16:52.36 | hoohah | Caelum: ygpm |
| 16:52.41 | rapha | azeem: Well, I'm willing to learn "the right way". But I'm having a hard time finding info on this. debfoster helped a little bit, but I need to make much more room. |
| 16:53.41 | netkevin | Hm, I still can't find anything specifically about built-in modules. Bert_2: Can you elaborate? Is it just done in /etc/modprobe.d like for loadable modules? |
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| 16:53.46 | rapha | (For example, it'd be great to get a list of packages that have been installed as dependencies of other packages that have since been removed) |
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| 16:55.45 | Bert_2 | netkevin: I'd check whether the module you want to disable is in lsmod, then try modprobe -r NAME_OF_MODULE and chekc whether it's still there |
| 16:55.48 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm looking through man and google for a solution to --remove-source-files that will also remove the source dirs, but I'm not finding anything. Anyone able to point me? |
| 16:56.00 | Bert_2 | netkevin: you could also try rmmod -f NAME_OF_MODULE |
| 16:56.08 | jpinx-eeepc | this is for rsync |
| 16:56.21 | Bert_2 | netkevin: I'm not sure whether you'll need to reboot for it to take effect |
| 16:56.24 | Manoj | Bert_2: if it is built in, it does not show up on lsmod |
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| 16:56.59 | Bert_2 | Manoj: I didn't know that, I'm sorry |
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| 16:57.24 | netkevin | Bert_2: It's not in the lsmod list, and it was built with 'y' instead of 'm' in the configuration, which I took to mean "builtin" instead of "built as a loadable module" |
| 16:57.27 | Bert_2 | Manoj: could you help netkevinthen cause I'm not all that sure I'm skilled enough to help him |
| 16:57.39 | rapha | Is my wish to learn about making the system as thin as possible on a taboo list or anything? |
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| 16:58.03 | Bert_2 | netkevin: then I'm not sure how I can help you, I'm sorry |
| 16:58.05 | azeem | rapha: fire up a package manager and remove the packages you don't want, voila |
| 16:58.13 | hoohah | Caelum: thanks again |
| 16:58.14 | Manoj | netkevin: I don't know of a means of disabling built in modules; but I know some of them take kernel command line options |
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| 16:59.07 | netkevin | Manoj: Yeah, I thought about that. I was hoping there was a kernel-supported way rather than a module-specific way. |
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| 16:59.34 | azeem | netkevin: they are not modules anymore at that point |
| 16:59.40 | rapha | azeem: the problem is that it's a bit hard to identify exactly which ones I can safely throw out |
| 16:59.57 | azeem | rapha: so you expect your system knows better than you? |
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| 16:59.58 | netkevin | I need to email the kernel supplier and ask him to build it as a loadable module. :/ |
| 17:00.10 | azeem | synaptic and aptitude can list the obsolete packages AFAIK |
| 17:00.48 | netkevin | azeem: Yeah, I'm not sure of the terminology, which makes it difficult to search for info. |
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| 17:01.03 | Manoj | netkevin: at that point, you need to look at the hardware, and try and see what you have builtin that does not look like it is needed (lspci and lsusb help) |
| 17:01.23 | rapha | azeem: I wouldnt be surprised if the system kept a log or something of whether a package was installed directly or as a dependency. |
| 17:01.40 | azeem | yes, but dpkg doesn't |
| 17:01.47 | rapha | azeem: also, I've questions like, "what does the prefix 'rc'" mean in "dpkg -l" |
| 17:02.02 | azeem | rapha: there's a legend at the top of the dpkg -l output |
| 17:02.10 | netkevin | rapha: removed, config files still present. |
| 17:02.19 | rapha | thanks netkevin! |
| 17:02.23 | netkevin | Eg, unpurged. |
| 17:02.32 | \amethyst | and not selected to be reinstalled |
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| 17:02.46 | rapha | (azeem: a legend says "r - Removed", and so forth, what you refer to is a bad joke of a legend) |
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| 17:03.02 | netkevin | I have trouble with that legend also. |
| 17:03.05 | azeem | rapha: eh? |
| 17:03.08 | rapha | nevermind |
| 17:03.09 | \amethyst | the first letter is the desired state, set with dselect or aptitude; the second is the current status |
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| 17:03.22 | rapha | okay, get it now :) |
| 17:03.34 | \amethyst | man dpkg explains the package states and selection states in more detail |
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| 17:03.57 | rapha | and is there some way in debian to get a list of packages that were installed as dependecies and where the packages that pulled them in are not installed anymore? |
| 17:04.11 | azeem | rapha: 18:58 < azeem> synaptic and aptitude can list the obsolete packages AFAIK |
| 17:04.14 | Firestarter | Anyone know how to make minicom so it starts in ANSI mode instead of VT102 I tried man mincom but can't find it |
| 17:04.21 | azeem | rapha: also, man apt-get see for autoremove |
| 17:04.24 | rapha | azeem: sorry, didn't see that post of yours |
| 17:04.38 | rapha | looks |
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| 17:05.33 | netkevin | rapha: In general that can be a bit difficult. Sometimes packages are marked as automatically installed (to meet dependencies), but I think this depends on the tools you used to install. |
| 17:05.35 | g00se_ | rapha: check out deborphan too |
| 17:05.52 | rapha | g00se_: will do, thanks! |
| 17:06.05 | netkevin | rapha: You can try deborphan and the orphaner program it includes. |
| 17:06.06 | jpinx-eeepc | rapha: there's also deborphan or similar name application |
| 17:06.25 | rapha | i had already found debfoster but that seems to be very shy |
| 17:06.29 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
| 17:06.36 | rapha | goes to try deborphan |
| 17:06.43 | g00se_ | rapha: and debfoster |
| 17:07.07 | netkevin | rapha: And you can use aptitude to find obsolete packages, meaning packages that are installed, but are no longer available in the repositories. |
| 17:08.16 | rapha | that might be a good idea, too, yeah |
| 17:08.20 | netkevin | rapha: In my experience, cleaning up unused packages is a rather involved process, but orphaner certainly helps. |
| 17:08.20 | g00se_ | I think debfoster could reproduce a lot of the functionality of deborphan (haven't studied that) and is pretty powerful in its own right |
| 17:08.30 | rapha | hates having to be stuck with this 10GB virtual server |
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| 17:12.21 | g00se_ | rapha: You've got to be careful of definitions though since 'orphan' can mean something other than your earlier definition |
| 17:12.47 | _Lucretia_ | could this be the cause of stuttering sound on flash 10? (/proc/interrupts): 11: 5326905 XT-PIC-XT uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2, uhci_hcd:usb3, ehci_hcd:usb4, yenta, yenta, eth1, radeon@pci:0000:01:00.0, Intel 82801DB-ICH4, Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem, eth0 |
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| 17:17.27 | pav5088 | Authentication is working fine... from syslog : |
| 17:17.31 | pav5088 | May 17 03:00:43 amd64 cyrus/imap[8169]: accepted connection |
| 17:17.31 | pav5088 | May 17 03:00:47 amd64 cyrus/imap[8169]: login: amd64.local [192.168.1.34] newuser plaintext User logged in |
| 17:17.58 | pav5088 | Just no mailbox and folders are created. |
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| 17:18.53 | pav5088 | Any ideas what could be causing me problems? |
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| 17:19.52 | Sashi | hey which has a better memory usage php or java? |
| 17:20.08 | azeem | Sashi: this is off-topic here |
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| 17:21.52 | mib_a8xf4d | I just Installed DEBIAN ...when gui is loading the scren crashes(white lines running)...cant get any linux gui working (tried fedora 9 and 10) I am using ati reoden 3650 graphics card |
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| 17:24.53 | Jemt | mib_a8xf4d: Try making Xorg run with the VESA driver instead of the ATI driver. Have you by any chance tried out a live CD with Linux on it ? |
| 17:26.16 | rapha | g00se_: if you carefully check through what it wants to remove my hope is that it'll be alright then |
| 17:26.29 | mischief6 | anyone know how i can get /usr/share/doc viewable/browseable through apache? |
| 17:27.26 | Jemt | Ah, line 03 caused the problem. I'm supposed to use the createElement function on a DOMDocument |
| 17:27.59 | Caelum | how do I purge all debconf entries for a package? |
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| 17:30.02 | mib_a8xf4d | Jemt: i havent tried live cd.to install VESA driver i cannot go into debian.... |
| 17:30.23 | Jemt | mib_a8xf4d: All you need is a console :) Hit ALT+F1 |
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| 17:30.34 | Jemt | mib_a8xf4d: Now login with your root account |
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| 17:31.00 | Jemt | mib_a8xf4d: Type this: nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf <ENTER> |
| 17:31.15 | locaa | need somehelp here please? |
| 17:31.26 | Jemt | locaa: Then ask a question |
| 17:31.31 | locaa | any one on 9.04? |
| 17:31.37 | azeem | locaa: #ubuntu |
| 17:31.39 | Jemt | Just ask the ACTUAL question |
| 17:31.54 | mib_a8xf4d | Jemt:ok ..i will try |
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| 17:32.18 | mib_a8xf4d | Jemt: ok ..i will try |
| 17:32.20 | Jemt | mib_a8xf4d: Wait.. |
| 17:32.25 | Jemt | Don't do the nano-stuff |
| 17:32.26 | locaa | I installed the 9.04 a side by side installation, then want to add some extra packages, used the regular add remove option, however, my Ubuntu crashed, will never start again, and keeps sending me a no free space msg |
| 17:32.43 | azeem | locaa: please ask Ubuntu questions in #ubuntu |
| 17:32.51 | mib_a8xf4d | Jemt: Then what shall i do i am now in cmd promt |
| 17:32.55 | locaa | would like to either repair or uninstall reinstall , fix in anyway, how to |
| 17:33.00 | Jemt | Instead, do this: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:33.12 | Jemt | mib_a8xf4d: That was for you |
| 17:33.20 | locaa | ok, thanks |
| 17:33.27 | mib_a8xf4d | Jemt: OK |
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| 17:33.50 | Jemt | mib_a8xf4d: Go through the wizard. If it dosn't ask you for a driver (where you can select ie ati, i810 AND(!!) VESA), then tell me |
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| 17:34.53 | mib_a8xf4d | Jemt: I did it |
| 17:35.00 | gmap | I ran "dd if=binary.img of=/dev/sda" and it extracted the live cd to my hd by mistake. now when i reboot my system it takes me into debian live mode. how can i bypass the system from booting in debian live mode? |
| 17:35.02 | Jemt | mib_a8xf4d: You were able to select VESA ? |
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| 17:35.24 | azeem | gmap: bypass to what? |
| 17:35.31 | azeem | I guess your old system is gone |
| 17:35.54 | gmap | azeem, my old system is there |
| 17:36.20 | gmap | but it boots into debian live first |
| 17:36.20 | Jemt | gmap: /dev/sda? Sounds like a USB disc |
| 17:36.20 | mib_a8xf4d | Jemt: it asking user kernal framebuffer device interface yse or no --- i said yes |
| 17:36.24 | azeem | Jemt: or a SATA drive |
| 17:36.28 | Jemt | mib_a8xf4d: You should select NO |
| 17:36.30 | gmap | its on my laptop |
| 17:36.44 | azeem | mib_a8xf4d: you should just hit enter everywhere else |
| 17:36.45 | Jemt | azeem: Oh, okay - thanks. I'm still on IDE on all my computers ;) |
| 17:37.08 | gmap | azeem, everything was non noticeable until i rebooted. my data is still there, it just wont boot into my old system |
| 17:37.19 | azeem | gmap: how big was the live cd? |
| 17:37.24 | azeem | image |
| 17:37.26 | gmap | azeem 250mb |
| 17:37.37 | azeem | so the first 250 mb of your system are gone |
| 17:37.57 | azeem | if indeed your system was on /dev/sda |
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| 17:39.11 | mib_a8xf4d | Jemt: finally it asking configuring xserver-xorg and keyboard option |
| 17:39.12 | gmap | azeem, but how did i run the command while logged onto my system? wouldnt it say permission deined? |
| 17:39.25 | azeem | gmap: maybe you ran it as root? |
| 17:39.32 | gmap | yea |
| 17:39.37 | gmap | but i was still on my system |
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| 17:39.39 | azeem | so why should it be deined? |
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| 17:39.41 | azeem | denied? |
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| 17:39.55 | mib_a8xf4d | Jemt: where to select VESA? |
| 17:39.55 | gmap | cause the files are in use |
| 17:39.58 | gmap | how can they just delete? |
| 17:40.00 | Jemt | mib_a8xf4d: Just finish the wizard and re-run it like this: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow |
| 17:40.05 | azeem | gmap: Linux keeps them in memory |
| 17:40.12 | azeem | so you can still use them until you reboot |
| 17:40.16 | Jemt | mib_a8xf4d: Then you should get the option to select a video driver |
| 17:40.17 | azeem | then they are gone forever |
| 17:41.16 | gmap | how can i see the contents in my hd now? |
| 17:41.28 | azeem | use a live cd e.g. |
| 17:41.48 | azeem | gmap: however, you probably overwrote your partition table as well |
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| 17:42.01 | azeem | so all you will see is that live cd image your wrote |
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| 17:44.05 | \amethyst | tee >(...) >(...) |
| 17:44.07 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 17:46.21 | mib_a8xf4d | Jemt: it asking user kernal framebuffer device interface yse or no --- no ..after it its going to autodetect keyboard layout...No choice to select VESA |
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| 17:48.41 | gmap | how do you change screen resolution? |
| 17:48.46 | mib_a8xf4d | Jemt: where to chose VESA no choice...? |
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| 17:50.35 | Way | hola debian |
| 17:50.39 | decomp | hey all i keep getting timeouts on debian repos. I have a blazing fast connection as well. Never had any problems with ubuntu or gentoo. The specific errors are 'no route to host'. |
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| 17:50.50 | Way | me importa una mierda |
| 17:51.01 | sharinggan | putos come pollas |
| 17:51.04 | Way | jaja |
| 17:51.10 | Way | g |
| 17:51.14 | sharinggan | ijos de la chingada madre |
| 17:51.14 | sharinggan | xd |
| 17:51.18 | Way | jajajajajjaj |
| 17:51.29 | Way | k wena sharingan |
| 17:51.29 | sharinggan | esto va a ser ... |
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| 17:51.35 | sharinggan | ..la VERGANZA |
| 17:51.38 | Way | jaja |
| 17:51.46 | Way | apelgate |
| 17:51.54 | sharinggan | chanservv hijo de putaaa |
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| 17:52.07 | sharinggan | debhelper mas de lo mismo |
| 17:52.10 | Way | dont say that... |
| 17:52.11 | sharinggan | cabron |
| 17:52.19 | sharinggan | hijo puta español |
| 17:52.20 | sharinggan | xd |
| 17:52.33 | Way | chanserv is a good man |
| 17:52.37 | sharinggan | chanserv |
| 17:52.39 | sharinggan | chan! |
| 17:52.43 | sharinggan | chan! |
| 17:52.48 | Way | though he sucks |
| 17:52.53 | sharinggan | you are a motherfucker |
| 17:53.08 | sharinggan | apestas mucho |
| 17:53.11 | jintxo | !ops please |
| 17:53.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jintxo complains about: please |
| 17:53.18 | Way | fuckin fucking |
| 17:53.23 | sharinggan | que hace mougli |
| 17:53.25 | Way | everybody happyyy |
| 17:53.25 | sharinggan | ? |
| 17:53.33 | Way | calm calm happyy |
| 17:53.45 | Way | fucking fucking |
| 17:53.49 | sharinggan | a have you fokin fokin |
| 17:53.49 | Way | (8) |
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| 17:53.54 | sharinggan | (8) |
| 17:54.36 | Way | eh marikas |
| 17:54.40 | Way | ablad k me aburro |
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| 18:02.04 | NativeAngels | how do i create a chrooted shell |
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| 18:03.07 | mib_a8xf4d | Cannot get Gui it crashes blank white screen... i am using ATI REODEN card? how to make gui working plz help |
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| 18:03.52 | {g} | Hey People! When I wake up my machine from suspend, the mouse pointer does not move anymore. Any way to reactivate it? |
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| 18:09.06 | amanda-b | is there a command-line utility that will unzip a file into a directory with the same name as the zip? i.e. unzip A.zip A/ ... without having to write a big script to do it? |
| 18:09.25 | gmap | anyone know how to change xorg screen resolution? |
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| 18:10.10 | adb | !xrandr |
| 18:10.11 | dpkg | xrandr is probably a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 18:10.17 | suinestudio | hi everyone. im trying to get gdeb to work, so i can install .deb packages through gnome. iv downloaded opera.deb for ex., and installed gdebi from synaptic. but it closes instantly |
| 18:10.52 | suinestudio | so iv read thers gedebi to install too, but i cant bcause it complains that i dont have a candidate to libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 |
| 18:11.23 | \amethyst | suinestudio: have you tried gksu gdebi ? |
| 18:11.28 | suinestudio | i went to the debian sources and added some lines to my sources.lst, but still cant find this dep, can someone tell me the right repos? |
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| 18:12.08 | Eulex | suinestudio, what distro was this .deb intended for? |
| 18:12.27 | \amethyst | suinestudio: that's the etch version of apt |
| 18:12.42 | suinestudio | deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 18:12.43 | suinestudio | deb http://download.unesp.br/linux/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 18:12.43 | suinestudio | deb http://linux.iq.usp.br/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 18:12.45 | suinestudio | i got this ones |
| 18:12.53 | suinestudio | im using 64studio, its debian etch |
| 18:12.57 | suinestudio | i64 |
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| 18:13.49 | suinestudio | \amethyst, i tryed , check it out |
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| 18:15.25 | suinestudio | http://pastebin.com/m7ad21671 |
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| 18:18.06 | \amethyst | suinestudio: don't know why gdebi is having problems, unless there's a weird mix of versions of gdebi, python-apt, and apt |
| 18:18.42 | \amethyst | just use the command line: sudo dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 18:18.45 | suinestudio | as i saw testing here, i miss a library |
| 18:19.06 | {g} | Is there a way to show all installed kernel modules? You know, these things that you load with modprobe. |
| 18:19.06 | suinestudio | suinestudio> so iv read thers gedebi to install too, but i cant bcause it complains that i dont have a candidate to libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 |
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| 18:19.19 | suinestudio | ill try that command \amethyst |
| 18:19.26 | jintxo | {g}, modprobe -l |
| 18:19.29 | \amethyst | suinestudio: the etch version of apt is a candidate for libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 |
| 18:19.42 | {g} | jintxo: hmm.. ok. |
| 18:19.44 | \amethyst | suinestudio: you must have a newer or older version of apt than the one in etch |
| 18:19.53 | Supaplex | enouf: I didn't want to use chroot, as the physical harddisk would still be mounted. |
| 18:20.02 | suinestudio | everytime i do apt-get update, or upgrade i got a message about this library |
| 18:20.38 | \amethyst | suinestudio: what does dpkg -l apt say? |
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| 18:21.27 | suinestudio | http://pastebin.com/m1c366ae1 |
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| 18:22.47 | IamSOG | I just boot up the debian CD, why there are two option one claled Graphic install, one is just install? I loaded both, they seems the same :o |
| 18:23.07 | \amethyst | suinestudio: that looks like the 64studio version of apt |
| 18:23.23 | \amethyst | suinestudio: it came from etch backports, but that repository isn't around anymore |
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| 18:24.00 | suinestudio | hm.. im lost now |
| 18:24.08 | amanda-b | is there a command-line utility that will unzip a file into a directory with the same name as the zip? i.e. unzip A.zip A/ ... without having to write a big script to do it? |
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| 18:24.14 | \amethyst | suinestudio: you might try either downgrading to the etch version of apt (but downgrading can be dangerous), or upgrading to the lenny version then upgrading your system to lenny |
| 18:24.20 | simonrvn | !ops ^^MuRaT^^ on-join spam |
| 18:24.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: ^^MuRaT^^ on-join spam |
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| 18:24.53 | \amethyst | suinestudio: but as it is you're going to have problems installing Debian versions of apt-related packages |
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| 18:24.55 | simonrvn | thanks |
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| 18:25.20 | suinestudio | \amethyst, well, the 64studio suite is very closed on versions, id rather not upgrade it since i think it will mess around with the real time kernels and sound stuff |
| 18:25.32 | suinestudio | but thats a catch-22, to not be able to install .deb file |
| 18:26.06 | \amethyst | suinestudio: use the command line |
| 18:26.10 | \amethyst | suinestudio: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 18:26.20 | ^alien | hi, where can i get etch bussinesscard iso? torrents are dead, in old archives newest version is sid, but in new oldest is 5.0 |
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| 18:27.08 | \amethyst | ^alien: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r8/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 18:27.18 | suinestudio | http://pastebin.com/d6367cdd6 |
| 18:27.33 | suinestudio | ill download opera again, just to be shure |
| 18:27.57 | LamerC | Hello. I'm using the latest stable of Debian and I have samba installed for file sharing. I keep having the nmbd process end which makes it where other computers can not resolve the address by name. Is there a workaround or fix for this? |
| 18:28.07 | \amethyst | suinestudio: you don't have libqt3-mt installed |
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| 18:28.20 | \amethyst | suinestudio: you should be able to apt-get install that |
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| 18:28.41 | \amethyst | suinestudio: otherwise, opera might provide a statically linked package with fewer dependencies |
| 18:28.42 | suinestudio | well, whem i do apt-cache search i have not the library |
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| 18:28.54 | suinestudio | and if i go apt-get install lib... |
| 18:28.57 | suinestudio | no candidate |
| 18:29.11 | suinestudio | cant i add other line to the sources.lst? |
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| 18:29.20 | \amethyst | have you run apt-get update since you last updated sources.list ? |
| 18:29.41 | suinestudio | yea |
| 18:30.41 | \amethyst | suinestudio: then maybe your mirror doesn't carry etch anymore |
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| 18:31.09 | suinestudio | http://pastebin.com/dbb0fcc4 |
| 18:31.10 | \amethyst | suinestudio: because libqt3-mt 3:3.3.7-4etch2 is in etch |
| 18:31.29 | suinestudio | i see. im looking for a new etch mirror |
| 18:31.57 | \amethyst | suinestudio: try #64studio or their forums |
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| 18:32.25 | \amethyst | suinestudio: you're running into problems because of their packages; I don't know if we are going to be much help here |
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| 18:33.03 | suinestudio | yeah, theres no one on the channel, and few info in the forums. |
| 18:33.31 | \amethyst | suinestudio: in this case, their 64studio-themes package conflicts with the etch version of qsynth |
| 18:33.57 | suinestudio | well, i dont use qsynth very much |
| 18:34.08 | suinestudio | i use almost ardour and other audio tools |
| 18:34.19 | suinestudio | most analogic inputs... |
| 18:34.34 | suinestudio | but, i really like to get opera working.. all my bookmarks, email account |
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| 18:34.56 | suinestudio | or install .deb packages in the futur |
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| 18:36.04 | enouf | Supaplex: well, then all i can say is look into how debian-live, knoppix, slax, grml, all those livecds use that toram= fromram= options, which will run the OS all from ram, even though you (not you, per se) booted a cd, it's a way to use the one optical drive, once booted |
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| 18:38.13 | tom44 | How do I determine what encryption is supported by my older 802.11b card? |
| 18:39.09 | enouf | Supaplex: afaict,. the newer way is to use switch_root - or have you tried rdev? |
| 18:39.21 | suinestudio | \amethyst, thanks anyway |
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| 18:39.47 | enouf | Supaplex: last possible related option i can think of offhand is memdisk (syslinux.zytor.com) |
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| 18:40.15 | enouf | tom44: perhaps ethtool |
| 18:40.57 | enouf | or .. lspci -k , and find out module in use, then 'modinfo <modulename>' ... read the info about the module it uses |
| 18:40.57 | tom44 | thanks enouf |
| 18:41.24 | enouf | tom44: lspci -nn should give you something very google-able |
| 18:41.40 | tom44 | much obliged |
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| 18:42.21 | omg_onoez | hi |
| 18:42.30 | omg_onoez | i have a lil problem here with xorg on my netbook |
| 18:42.31 | omg_onoez | http://pastebin.com/d6f0fb17f |
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| 18:43.17 | omg_onoez | i chose "unstable" during debian installation and copied my old xorg.conf (from lenny) |
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| 18:44.05 | omg_onoez | sry for my english btw |
| 18:44.06 | dustybin | omg_onoez: dpkg-reconfigure xorg |
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| 18:45.08 | omg_onoez | dustybin, not xserver-xorg, just xorg? |
| 18:45.10 | omg_onoez | 0o |
| 18:45.29 | dustybin | erm try that |
| 18:45.58 | omg_onoez | so it made a backup of mine |
| 18:46.01 | suinestudio | \amethyst, i managed to take out some lines on the sources, and get new ons from etch |
| 18:46.10 | omg_onoez | and created new one (i guess) |
| 18:46.15 | suinestudio | iv apt-get updated, and apt-get install opera |
| 18:46.16 | suinestudio | did fine |
| 18:46.34 | suinestudio | i cant get from the sites, i think, but apt-get is working by hand |
| 18:46.36 | suinestudio | thanks |
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| 18:48.18 | omg_onoez | dustybin, so u c that lines with intel EEs |
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| 18:50.49 | ^alien | \amethyst: tnx |
| 18:51.22 | omg_onoez | dustybin, http://pastebin.com/d6f0fb17f |
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| 18:51.49 | omg_onoez | now i'm grepping EE and c only 8,9,10 lines |
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| 18:52.32 | dustybin | omg_onoez: you might have one of those debian viruses doing the rounds at the moment |
| 18:53.02 | hyper_ch | is it somehow possible to attach an already running gui application with x11 forward to another computer? |
| 18:53.09 | omg_onoez | what viruses? )) |
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| 18:54.08 | omg_onoez | dustybin, what are you talking about? :D |
| 18:54.19 | mmu_man | wtf where is makeinfo ?? |
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| 18:56.25 | mmu_man | apt-cache search tells texi2html but it doesn't really help |
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| 18:57.43 | mmu_man | (lenny) |
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| 18:57.49 | Supaplex | enouf: hummm. facinating options. I'll look into them later. |
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| 19:03.12 | poppiez | hi, when I do apt-get -u upgrade openssh-client/server is being hold back. why won't they upgrade? some conflicting packages? |
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| 19:07.37 | IamSOG | I just boot up the debian CD, why there are two option one claled Graphic install, one is just install? I loaded both, they seems the same :o or it's one with GUI one without ? |
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| 19:08.28 | hark | poppiez: /msg dpkg held back |
| 19:08.44 | mmu_man | ahhh, must have been in texinfo |
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| 19:09.52 | poppiez | hark: thx |
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| 19:13.02 | bolt | IamSOG: one loads a GUI if it can |
| 19:14.17 | IamSOG | bolt but I tried both, they seems to look the same |
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| 19:14.27 | bolt | IamSOG: then something fails :) |
| 19:14.39 | IamSOG | Oh... |
| 19:14.47 | bolt | IamSOG: don' |
| 19:14.59 | bolt | IamSOG: don't worry about it. just use the text installer |
| 19:15.05 | bolt | IamSOG: they both do the same anyway |
| 19:15.27 | IamSOG | I haven't seen the text installer, they both start with blue screen |
| 19:15.34 | Decepticon | what is a command to see the size of a file in bytes |
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| 19:15.53 | bolt | blue screen?! |
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| 19:16.03 | bolt | must check out the installer more often |
| 19:16.16 | dmoerner | i'm trying to setup ivman in debian, and i have copied the example hal .fdi file to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi, but when i run ivman -d and plug something in, nothing happens. the device can be manually mounted with pmount. any ideas? |
| 19:16.18 | bolt | Decepticon: ls -l <filename> ? |
| 19:16.20 | IamSOG | but anyway, I am trying to reinstall it, I installed it not too long ago, it won't start |
| 19:16.38 | Decepticon | ah ok didnt know ls could do it |
| 19:16.59 | bolt | !+tell IamSOG -about errors |
| 19:16.59 | dpkg | told IamSOG about errors. |
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| 19:17.46 | IamSOG | bolt not like error, but I can't startx it just start with text |
| 19:17.49 | BubbaT | I am trying to run a binary and it complains that a libblahblah cannot be found, but it is in /usr/lib as a link to another file in the same directory. |
| 19:18.16 | bolt | IamSOG: you're saying X fails to start without a single error message? |
| 19:18.46 | FunnyMan3595 | How does firmware get loaded in lenny? I've installed the firmware package I need, but the module still isn't finding it. |
| 19:19.40 | IamSOG | bolt yeah, I waited for a long time, it freeze at a black and white screen, oh well, this is one old laptop anyway, something like a P3 300 or something like that |
| 19:20.03 | FunnyMan3595 | http://lwn.net/Articles/242046/ seems to suggest that hotplug does it, but hotplug only exists for lenny, so something else must be doing it now. |
| 19:20.31 | bolt | IamSOG: you could try looking at .xsession-errors, or starting it with "startx &>mylogfile.log" |
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| 19:20.44 | bolt | IamSOG: see if it manages to print anything coherent before it dies |
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| 19:21.06 | IamSOG | thanks bolt I will look later, still reinstalling :D |
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| 19:21.19 | bolt | IamSOG: also, googling for your laptop often reveals some useful info. you're most likely not the first one to run into any problem you get with that machine, it being that old |
| 19:21.57 | IamSOG | bolt I was able to install the last version... um... actualy I frogot which version I isntalled, but it was like last year, and it worked fine :D |
| 19:22.08 | pasteeater | I have an Intel Core 2 Duo, but the installed 64-bit Lenny kernel is 2.6.26-1-amd64. Is this the correct kernel for my CPU? |
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| 19:22.20 | bolt | IamSOG: also, see if you can find it on linux-on-laptops.com |
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| 19:22.32 | bolt | pasteeater: yep |
| 19:22.34 | IamSOG | thanks bolt :D |
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| 19:23.03 | bolt | pasteeater: the x64 kernel is called amd64 |
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| 19:23.13 | pasteeater | bolt: thanks. i thought so, but the "AMD" is confusing. |
| 19:23.35 | bolt | pasteeater: so is the i686 (intel 80686) for amd users :) |
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| 19:32.12 | Samjung | I am *NOT* the troll that talks about poor people urinating on people's cars at Macy's. |
| 19:32.34 | Samjung | I need help with an analog-to-digital problem. |
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| 19:33.07 | zinx | doesn't sound too much like a Debian problem |
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| 19:34.11 | Samjung | No, it's more general to GNU/Linux. |
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| 19:37.26 | Samjung | I need the cheapest way, supported by Debian, to interface 30 RJ11 analog phone lines with userspace software. |
| 19:37.34 | iou_ | Samjung: because you're the poor person doing the peeing? |
| 19:37.38 | iou_ | self-conscious? |
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| 19:38.19 | Samjung | How can I best do this? 30 soundcards? Soundcards that support multiple channels under Linux? |
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| 19:43.30 | peterrooney | Samjung: are you interfacing with the telephone system? |
| 19:44.16 | peterrooney | Samjung: or with audio signals? |
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| 19:46.43 | zamba | how can i inspect a .pem file? |
| 19:46.50 | zamba | i need to extract the textual information in it |
| 19:46.56 | zamba | i'm sure i can do something with openssl? |
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| 19:47.57 | Samjung | peterrooney: Just interfacing with telephones that aren't hooked to any network. |
| 19:48.44 | Samjung | Kind of like an ATA. |
| 19:48.58 | pipeline | zamba: req -in $foo -noout -text |
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| 19:49.32 | pipeline | zamba: there is a way to do -noout -text for every format openssl supports... e.g. I think pkcs12 -noout -text works too |
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| 19:51.12 | zamba | pipeline: it's a certificate |
| 19:51.31 | pipeline | zamba: then the command is probably x509, not req. Figure it out. |
| 19:51.38 | zamba | pipeline: 'req' would imply a certificate request, right? |
| 19:51.48 | zamba | cool! thanks |
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| 19:52.56 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, i'm trying to do something a bit more geeky than a scrapbook for when my son is born. Anyone have any ideas? Anyone here have a baby and do something cool when they were born? |
| 19:53.34 | mick_laptop | since this is pretty OT, /msg me if you have any ideas |
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| 19:54.29 | Gremlin | Do what my father did... get drunk and then get arrested. |
| 19:55.19 | mick_laptop | i almost fell out od my chair laughing :) |
| 19:55.23 | mick_laptop | of* |
| 19:56.13 | mick_laptop | i guess Samjung left - i was going to answer his question |
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| 19:56.28 | Gremlin | You could give your son a strange middle name. |
| 19:56.35 | Gremlin | I am Samjung. |
| 19:56.36 | mick_laptop | i already have :) |
| 19:56.40 | azeem | Gremlin: please keep it on topic |
| 19:57.01 | mick_laptop | Gremlin: re: your phone question |
| 19:57.14 | Gremlin | Yeah. |
| 19:57.26 | mick_laptop | what exactly is the question (i came in a bit late) |
| 19:57.35 | mick_laptop | i'm guessing that you have Asterisk on Dbeian? |
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| 19:57.47 | Gremlin | I want to spend as little as possible to support 30 RJ11 phone lines to phones. |
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| 19:58.05 | Gremlin | I was thinking of using 30 cheap $1.00 USB cards on Ebay. |
| 19:58.13 | IamSOG | um.. what's the last version's code name? I forgot |
| 19:58.16 | Gremlin | Then solder on RJ11 ports. |
| 19:58.24 | Gremlin | IamSOG: Sarge and Lenny |
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| 19:58.44 | Gremlin | Or maybe it is something else. |
| 19:59.02 | mick_laptop | Gremlin: i'm still not sure what you are looking to do |
| 19:59.09 | IamSOG | It's Sarge, I think.. um... it was last year's version, was wondering what I was using earlier |
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| 19:59.50 | MMlosh | Hi! Is there any way how can I get "alsaconf" for my *buntu 9.4? (I need to configure SoundBlaster 16) I'm asking here, because you've removed it later than ubuntu.. |
| 19:59.56 | erv | first time using IRC with Pidgin.. Test message.. please ignore.. |
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| 20:00.59 | mick_laptop | Lenny is latest stable, before that was Etch, then Sarge |
| 20:01.01 | FunnyMan3595 | mick_laptop: Sounds like he's trying to make a debian-backed PBX, and is trying to figure out the hardware end right now. |
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| 20:01.30 | mick_laptop | Gremlin: why do you need RJ11? |
| 20:02.03 | mick_laptop | if you need RJ11 then use an ATA (they are getting cheaper) |
| 20:02.13 | mick_laptop | otherwise VOIP isn't that hard |
| 20:03.06 | mick_laptop | if you want to "just get something up" -- the easiest is one of those boxes from Digium |
| 20:03.36 | ttl- | I need some help please me getting audio to work on a VIA EPIA M10000 mainboard please |
| 20:03.39 | ttl- | oops |
| 20:03.48 | ttl- | i mean |
| 20:04.02 | ttl- | I need some help please getting audio to work on a VIA EPIA M10000 mainboard |
| 20:04.24 | Gremlin | Yeah, maybe 30 ATAs. |
| 20:04.27 | ttl- | I'm runnig debian lenny netinstall on it |
| 20:04.48 | mick_laptop | dpkg: tell ttl- about alsa checklist |
| 20:05.22 | ttl- | booting from a knoppix live cd makes de audio work |
| 20:05.47 | ttl- | checked the modules knoppix loaded and the same are loaded on lenny |
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| 20:06.07 | aberator87 | is there a web-based PIM available for debian? |
| 20:06.14 | mick_laptop | dpkg: tell ttl- about install alsa |
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| 20:07.58 | ttl- | mick_laptop: id did |
| 20:08.02 | ttl- | mick_laptop: i did |
| 20:08.13 | ttl- | mick_laptop: that's not the problem |
| 20:08.48 | IamSOG | it's strange, the last version of Debain I install on this laptop have sound, but this 5.0.1 doesn't... um.... odd |
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| 20:09.10 | mick_laptop | ttl-: what do the logs say? |
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| 20:10.38 | ttl- | mick_laptop: nothing unusual |
| 20:10.44 | mick_laptop | odd |
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| 20:11.26 | mick_laptop | same kernel version w/ knoppix+debian? |
| 20:11.49 | ttl- | mick_laptop: i'm not sure |
| 20:11.54 | cantoma | hey guys .. anyone tryed to install octoshape plugin for linux? I could download it but there is no instructions how to integrate it in mozilla! |
| 20:11.55 | mick_laptop | since you said the modules were the same |
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| 20:12.43 | ttl- | yes but it seems debian loads some additional modules i can't remove without removing the needed |
| 20:13.37 | mick_laptop | cantoma: it is beta and it is closed source so you should have better support by contacting support@octoshape.com or using their phone number: +45 8833 4680 |
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| 20:14.13 | cantoma | mick_laptop: they just give a command line in order to execute it |
| 20:14.14 | jaggz- | anyone here speak finnish? |
| 20:14.14 | ttl- | strange thing is the mpg123 and mplayer play audio files like everything is ok but there is no audio output |
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| 20:14.22 | mathias | hi - who can I mount partitions within a LVM logical volume? |
| 20:14.29 | mathias | who = how |
| 20:14.31 | jaggz- | trying to see if the content of this page is acceptable or not |
| 20:14.42 | ttl- | in the mixer i've put all channel to maximum |
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| 20:14.53 | mick_laptop | jaggz-: /join #finnish ? |
| 20:15.08 | ttl- | alsamixer runs but aumix generates a strange error |
| 20:15.30 | cantoma | mick_laptop: for instance the eurovision is been transmitted using it. But i don't know what should I replace in Broadcaster.channel in order to see it. |
| 20:15.31 | ttl- | aumix: error opening mixer: Success |
| 20:15.35 | mick_laptop | ttl-: sounds like it is muted |
| 20:15.56 | mick_laptop | cantoma: again, i think that they will be better support than this channel |
| 20:16.46 | aburch | mathias: Partitions *in* a logical volume? Not the logical volumes themselves? |
| 20:16.54 | ttl- | mick_laptop: yes i know but all levels are a maximum in alsamixer |
| 20:17.11 | ttl- | at maximum* |
| 20:17.12 | mathias | aburch: yes I am experimenting with xen right now :) |
| 20:17.22 | jaggz- | mick, okay |
| 20:17.24 | cantoma | mick_laptop: i will send them an email but since is sunday and the eurovision will finish in a few hours maybe i will not get an answer looool |
| 20:17.25 | mick_laptop | ttl-: is it plugged in? |
| 20:17.36 | ttl- | mick_laptop: lol, yeah :)) |
| 20:17.38 | mick_laptop | i hate to ask, i know someone who had asked me the same question :) |
| 20:17.40 | cantoma | mick_laptop: sorry saturday actually |
| 20:17.57 | mathias | aburch: I found losetup with the -o option |
| 20:17.58 | aburch | mathias: Ah, ok. Maybe "partx" will help? (I did never use it myself, but read it can be used for partitions in loop devices at least.) |
| 20:17.59 | mick_laptop | good luck to you guys |
| 20:18.11 | ttl- | mick_laptop: and the amp is turned on and stuff |
| 20:18.25 | mathias | aburch: but I didnt find out how to calculate the offset |
| 20:18.31 | mathias | okay I'll check out partx |
| 20:18.39 | mick_laptop | ttl-: try first w/ headphones |
| 20:18.47 | MMlosh | OK.. forget my question about alsaconf.. I'll try to compile it on my own tomorrow (but I won't mind any hints.. of course :)) |
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| 20:19.17 | ttl- | mick_laptop: the amp is ok, i did not change anything and sound worked with knoppix |
| 20:19.35 | mick_laptop | i need to head out, if someone has some cool baby ideas (i want to do more than a scrapbook) - /msg me. so far noone has... and "get drunk and arrested" doesn't seem to be a wise idea |
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| 20:20.08 | mick_laptop | ttl-: ok, i'm out of ideas right now |
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| 20:20.22 | ttl- | mick_laptop: mee too that's why i came here ;) |
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| 20:20.38 | mick_laptop | besides the usual "audio" group etc questions |
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| 20:20.43 | ttl- | mick_laptop: gonna check the kernelversion on knoppix |
| 20:20.44 | mathias | aburch: I seems like partx can only show the partitions just like fdisk |
| 20:21.02 | mick_laptop | ttl-: have you done everything that dpkg suggested before? |
| 20:21.03 | mathias | aburch: I think I have to go the losetup -o way, but how to I get the offset? |
| 20:21.10 | mick_laptop | like i said, i g/g |
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| 20:22.26 | nick_h | asdf |
| 20:22.37 | ttl- | mick_laptop: yes before i came here |
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| 20:25.59 | yeretik | Hi... A have a file (a .log for example) and i need to delete from it all lines that content an specific string... How can i do that? |
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| 20:26.44 | DarkX | hello |
| 20:26.51 | mathias | yeretik: try something lie cat file | grep <expr> > newfile |
| 20:26.56 | petemc | yeretik: grep -v foo file > newfile |
| 20:27.15 | aburch | mathias: IIRC 512 bytes (= size of part. table) + size of all partitions before the one you want. |
| 20:27.16 | mathias | is't there anybody who can help me mount a partition _in_ a LVM logical volume?? |
| 20:27.41 | DarkX | i have a problem my max screen resolution is 800x600 and the monitor accept 1280x1024 and the graphiccard too. Here my xorg.conf: http://purecodes.org/paste/source.php?file=1242503883_none can u help me? |
| 20:27.47 | mathias | aburch: okay I'll try that ^^ |
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| 20:28.58 | DarkX | can u help me with my problem |
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| 20:31.00 | mathias | aburch: fdisk says "Start 1, End 32, Blocks 257008+" so what do I have to add to 512 to get to the second partition? |
| 20:31.00 | hyper_ch | is it somehow possible to attach an already running gui application with x11 forward to another computer? |
| 20:31.33 | mathias | hyper_ch: how do you think this works? its a local process |
| 20:31.37 | yeretik | Thanks |
| 20:31.37 | adb | DarkX: specifier > Modes 1280x1024 < in SubSection "Display" , just a guess |
| 20:31.43 | mathias | hyper_ch: I have never heard of "process migration" or something ^^ |
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| 20:33.39 | ttl- | mick_laptop: kernel under Debian=2.6.26-2-486 kernel under Knoppix=2.6.24.4 |
| 20:33.57 | jaggz- | what if you paste something into a konsole.. I accidentally pasted a whole document.. and then I just get to watch it go into my shell trying to run the text, line after line, just hoping none of them have any actual commands, or deadly ones.. |
| 20:33.58 | adb | !tell DarkX about xrandr |
| 20:34.34 | hyper_ch | mathias: well, with x11 forwarding you can just forward the display onto another computer while running the program on the remote one |
| 20:35.04 | hyper_ch | mathias: question is: how to forward the gui from the remote computer onto my local one if the program is already running on the remote one |
| 20:35.32 | jaggz- | now I just watch as screen does its visual alarm flicker.. sigh. |
| 20:37.32 | adb | anyways, he left |
| 20:41.35 | ttl- | mick_laptop: Modules under Debian: http://rafb.net/p/lAdiSx27.html and modules under knoppix: http://rafb.net/p/cmzsdy13.html |
| 20:41.49 | ttl- | i don't know anymore |
| 20:41.54 | \amethyst | hyper_ch: you'll need something like x11vnc (run on the remote computer inside X) then use VNC to access it. there might be something similar for the X protocol, but if so I'm not familiar with it |
| 20:42.59 | hyper_ch | \amethyst: you've heard of X11 forwarding? Not vnc |
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| 20:43.30 | \amethyst | hyper_ch: yes, but you can't do that to an existing program |
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| 20:44.01 | \amethyst | hyper_ch: unless you run the program under some kind of X proxy, then tell the X proxy to switch X servers |
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| 20:44.18 | hyper_ch | \amethyst: too bad.... vnc always fills the full screen and I just need it on a single program base |
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| 20:47.22 | cemunal | is there a progress on repos now? i can't access the repos ( testing ) |
| 20:47.46 | cemunal | *process |
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| 20:49.54 | [ka]killer | if i selected the 'file server' option at install, what is the package name? |
| 20:50.50 | GAZRA | Can someone please tell me how to save all instlled packages of an ubuntu system and then installed them in another computer authomatically? |
| 20:51.19 | adb | ask # ubuntu |
| 20:53.33 | hyper_ch | GAZRA: the same as in debian - with the sole differnece of using sudo |
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| 20:54.51 | teratoma | my 'machine' is a xen guest somewhere. running 2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 . im trying to upgrade everything to lenny. how do i upgrade my kernel ? |
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| 20:57.53 | zamba | what could be the problem when every operation issued on a machine clogs it entirely up? |
| 20:58.08 | zamba | i'm running "updatedb" now and i get a load at 4 nearly instantly |
| 20:58.13 | zamba | and increasing |
| 20:58.17 | cemunal | is there a process on repos now? i can't access the repos ( testing ) |
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| 21:00.03 | adb | cemunal: explains please |
| 21:00.15 | cemunal | adb, sorry |
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| 21:02.36 | cemunal | adb, when i give command "apt-get update" ; i can't access the repo but i can ping it like "ping -c 3 ftp.se.debian.org" |
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| 21:03.30 | adb | cemunal: paste sources.list |
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| 21:04.08 | adb | and your command/error |
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| 21:07.22 | cemunal | adb, http://paste.linux-sevenler.org/index.php?id=32151 |
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| 21:08.27 | cemunal | adb, i am on ubuntu cd; i was installing squeeze from lenny |
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| 21:09.25 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.20 | cemunal | how can i see; i am on ubuntu cd; chroot? |
| 21:10.24 | cemunal | adb, ^ |
| 21:10.43 | adb | sure |
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| 21:11.05 | adb | or boot debian |
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| 21:12.29 | cemunal | adb, http://paste.linux-sevenler.org/index.php?id=32152 |
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| 21:13.47 | cemunal | adb, AÄ eriÅilebilir durumda deÄil = Network is not accessible |
| 21:13.50 | adb | Cannot initiate the connection to ftp.se.debian.org:80 < connection issue |
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| 21:14.33 | adb | try , ifup eth0 or so |
| 21:15.25 | cemunal | adb, but i can ping the repo |
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| 21:16.04 | adb | are behind a firewall ? |
| 21:16.10 | cemunal | no |
| 21:16.27 | cemunal | adb, i upgrade my system with this conf. |
| 21:16.31 | adb | fix it , maybe :80 is blocked |
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| 21:18.23 | adb | ftp.se.debian.org works here , change mirror to .de or so |
| 21:18.47 | Tagor | I'm trying to install debian amd64 on a server with raid mirror. But after installing debian it won't boot. It says there is no system disk inserted. The installation finishes well but after rebooting it doesn't work. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 21:20.38 | GaeliX | is away: fsck -yfv -C fd /dev/brain |
| 21:20.41 | cemunal | adb, i try to copy sources.list to ubuntu's and i can access the repo. |
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| 21:20.56 | Tagor | Anybody? |
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| 21:22.12 | froguy | hi |
| 21:22.23 | froguy | how can i un install a program that was installed via dpkg -i ? |
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| 21:22.50 | froguy | and what if i forgot the package name too. how can i recall the list of deb packages installed ? |
| 21:22.56 | adb | Tagor: /boot is an separate partition ? outside raid , grub need this |
| 21:23.28 | cemunal | adb, thanks |
| 21:23.34 | adb | cemunal: boot in debian will be ok |
| 21:23.56 | adb | cemunal: worked ? |
| 21:24.05 | cemunal | yes, why? |
| 21:24.20 | adb | nm |
| 21:24.30 | Tagor | adb: I have a /boot partition on /dev/sda. Do I need to partition the second drive too? I have a hardware raid. I thought it will automatically partition the second drive? |
| 21:24.51 | cemunal | adb, thanks again && bye |
| 21:24.57 | adb | yw |
| 21:25.37 | adb | No > Do I need to partition the second drive too? |
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| 21:26.38 | Tagor | adb: ok, I didn't partition /dev/hdb. Any idea why it won't boot now? |
| 21:27.14 | adb | as said /boot need to be a separate partition outside raid |
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| 21:28.01 | adb | Tagor: i guess you use grub |
| 21:28.23 | Tagor | adb: yes, I'm using grub |
| 21:28.42 | Tagor | adb: how can I make /boot outside the raid? |
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| 21:29.26 | dokin | Anyone here know SoX? I'm want to make a wav file into mono but I'm having a hard time understanding the manual. I found this which was supposed to work but it didn't for me (I have both sox and speexenc installed): sox test.wav -r 16000 -c 1 -V -t .wav - resample | speexenc -u --quality 10 --vbr --vad --dtx --com 10 -V test.spx |
| 21:29.41 | adb | an* other hdd |
| 21:30.05 | Tagor | adb: never heard of people using a third hdd or usb stick for the boot partition. Is this problem only with debian? Or also with centos etc.? |
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| 21:31.04 | simNIX | shouldnt hardware raid be invisable to Linux ? |
| 21:31.16 | adb | Tagor: ok. boot a live cd and fix grub than |
| 21:31.52 | Tagor | adb: well the question is how I have to fix grub? |
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| 21:32.09 | adb | re run grub ... |
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| 21:32.53 | Tagor | simNIX: it's an onboard raid, so I guess that is why debian views both hdd's |
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| 21:33.20 | amanda-b | so i'm using nautilus as an image previewer for a large number of directories (about 100). is there a way to get it to traverse the directories and generate thumbs without having to individually click each directory and wait? |
| 21:33.21 | ktebit | if i am running off cd and i apt-get install, is the hard drive used at all? |
| 21:33.50 | amanda-b | ktebit, you can't install softare on a live cd. it's read-only, which is kinda the point. |
| 21:35.38 | GaeliX | is back (gone 00:15:06) |
| 21:36.26 | adb | GaeliX: stop this |
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| 21:39.27 | dokin | amanda-b, you could select all folders, right click and choose "open new window". that's the only solution I can come up with anyway :) |
| 21:40.57 | amanda-b | dokin: it's over nfs and the client is kinda a sucky box. i'd rather have this done ... you know ... today ... rather than 8 months from now. :-) |
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| 21:42.54 | GaeliX | adb ??? |
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| 21:43.07 | adb | turn off gone ... |
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| 21:44.01 | simNIX | amanda-b, theres a Debian live projet which lets you build custom live cd |
| 21:44.07 | simNIX | ill seen if i can fid link |
| 21:44.07 | GaeliX | I don't understand your point srry |
| 21:44.19 | nkuttler | GaeliX: /msg dpkg away |
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| 21:44.31 | adb | GaeliX: it seems stupid ? |
| 21:44.49 | GaeliX | what ? |
| 21:45.09 | nkuttler | !tell GaeliX about away |
| 21:45.33 | tedge | hi. i need information about RELATED option from module state of iptables. can you confirme que the statefull inpsection remenber older connection and isn't based only on packet header flag ? |
| 21:45.36 | simNIX | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/ |
| 21:46.07 | simNIX | http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD |
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| 21:47.08 | jaggz- | audio is not picked up in the voice recognition section of KDE. Control Center -> Regional and Accessibility -> Input Actions ... General -> Voice Trigger |
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| 21:49.39 | GaeliX | think I understand adb & nkuttler, sry, hope it'll be ok now |
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| 21:54.45 | Decepticon | how can i return how old a file is (in days) with no other extra info |
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| 22:00.43 | luke3321 | Anyone using the NVIDIA drivers from the sid repos? |
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| 22:00.43 | adb | !no |
| 22:00.43 | dpkg | No Offense |
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| 22:02.18 | adb | !tell luke3321 about anyone |
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| 22:03.03 | luke3321 | okay okay, let me rephrase |
| 22:03.27 | luke3321 | Does anyone know why the sid version of nvidia-glx depends on a package that doesnt exist? |
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| 22:03.43 | tedge | hi. i need information about RELATED option from module state of iptables. can you confirme que the statefull inpsection remenber older connection and isn't based only on packet header flag ? |
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| 22:05.18 | adb | tedge: try #networking |
| 22:06.31 | tedge | thank |
| 22:06.46 | adb | np |
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| 22:22.44 | iouplenty | hello. |
| 22:24.03 | iouplenty | i would like to use the --rootcmd fakeroot option with make-kpkg to build kernel as user. My linux source is at /usr/local/src/kernel/linux. Unfortunately i don't have the right permissions to write to that dir. The user is in src group. What should be the directory permissions in /usr/local/src? |
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| 22:24.37 | iouplenty | i get kernel tarball from kernel.org and extract it there |
| 22:24.44 | iouplenty | /usr/local/src/kernel, that is |
| 22:25.19 | nkuttler | iouplenty: you need to be able to rw |
| 22:25.52 | iouplenty | nkuttler: chown root:src -R, and chmod go+rw ? |
| 22:26.19 | iouplenty | how do i have it so that everytime a tarball is extracted under /usr/local/src/kernel, to have the same permissions? |
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| 22:27.03 | nkuttler | iouplenty: if you can extract you can rw.. |
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| 22:27.30 | iouplenty | well, extracted as root |
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| 22:27.35 | nkuttler | then don't do that |
| 22:28.06 | nkuttler | iouplenty: really, this is a very basic unix permissions question. are you sure you can compile a kernel? |
| 22:28.12 | iouplenty | but won't extracting as user, provided permissions for user in ..kernel/, have all files with user:user? |
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| 22:28.42 | iouplenty | not so basic as it is basically about automation, which i believe debian allows one to fine tune |
| 22:28.55 | iouplenty | nkuttler: yes, and please don't condescend |
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| 22:36.33 | fbc-mx | I run an ETCH server. Is there a recommendation to move to lenny yet? |
| 22:37.03 | nkuttler | fbc-mx: oldstable still gets security updates |
| 22:38.15 | fbc-mx | nkuttler, How do I upgrade to lenny? apt-get dist-upgrade does nothing for me. |
| 22:38.57 | nkuttler | !tell iouplenty about permissions |
| 22:39.08 | nkuttler | fbc-mx: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 22:39.41 | fbc-mx | nkuttler, never would have figured that one out... |
| 22:39.50 | peterrooney | fbc: you may have to edit sources.list |
| 22:39.57 | peterrooney | fbc-mx: you may have to edit sources.list |
| 22:40.28 | fbc-mx | peterrooney, no problem I can do that.. |
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| 22:41.30 | iouplenty | nkuttler: forget it |
| 22:42.26 | iouplenty | fbc-mx: he's in the habit of being unuseful. check logs. |
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| 22:43.14 | nkuttler | ah, it's sunday |
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| 22:48.28 | lewis2 | how do I grep for []? "[]"? |
| 22:48.33 | lewis2 | do I need to escape it somehow? |
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| 22:48.39 | iouplenty | \[\] |
| 22:49.12 | fbc-mx | peterrooney, I follow the instructions but after changind external references of etch to lenny and running apititude update it just hangs at 99% [Connecting to ftp3.nrc.ca (132.246.2.23)] hangs at |
| 22:49.24 | iouplenty | lewis2: in paren of course |
| 22:49.36 | lewis2 | grep ([])? |
| 22:49.39 | iouplenty | er, quotes |
| 22:49.44 | lewis2 | hehe |
| 22:49.51 | iouplenty | '\[\]' |
| 22:50.07 | lewis2 | genius |
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| 22:50.25 | lewis2 | oh - and thanks |
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| 23:05.39 | agaran | hello |
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| 23:06.11 | bolt | HELO bolt |
| 23:06.11 | agaran | is there any better way to update debian/changelog for make-kpkg than $EDITOR ? |
| 23:07.32 | xingu | agaran: dch from devscripts? |
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| 23:08.11 | amites1 | mod_wsgi deployment question? How do I get it to load my settings file?? http://pastebin.com/d20cedab3 <--- error log + project.wsgi file |
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| 23:09.08 | flat | Hi |
| 23:09.19 | agaran | xingu: i dont know, probably i wouldnt join here if i know :-), trying right now. |
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| 23:11.45 | flat | does anyone know a lightweight X11 Server for Debian 5.0 ? i want run it on a Pentium Classic 120Mhz, 48Mb Ram i upgraded from potato now its slow as hell ... |
| 23:11.52 | iouplenty | agaran: it's dch |
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| 23:12.08 | iouplenty | handy for building other packages from deb-srcs too |
| 23:12.53 | flat | or a other gui system |
| 23:13.04 | flat | :> just want run multiple terminals at once |
| 23:13.14 | flat | sorry for my bad english. |
| 23:13.33 | iouplenty | flat: which WM are you using? |
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| 23:14.54 | agaran | iouplenty: i am rather new to debian, its somewhat difficult to find equivalents of rpm commands for dpkg besides obvious install/remove cycle |
| 23:15.32 | flat | fluxbox |
| 23:16.07 | flat | i now run a stripped down kernel which improved system speed a lot |
| 23:16.20 | flat | :/ but X11 is still too bloated |
| 23:16.41 | flat | is it possible to compile X11 3.3.6 on Debian Lenny ? :/ |
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| 23:16.53 | nkuttler | flat: i wouldn't use x at all on such a system |
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| 23:17.34 | flat | i run netbsd on 40mhz sparc ... and X11 is useable but on Linux its impossible ? |
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| 23:17.57 | agaran | netbsd and linux differ somewhat.. |
| 23:18.01 | jp`busy | Hi, I just installed debian and I want to get it going onto my TV via VGA, but whenver I connect the PC to the TV it doesn't get a signal. When I put it back on a monitor it's fine |
| 23:18.06 | jp`busy | Anyone know a way to overcome this? |
| 23:18.44 | nkuttler | flat: you may want to try an embedded distro |
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| 23:20.19 | flat | hopefully memory prices will rise soon again hrhr |
| 23:20.24 | flat | :( |
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| 23:21.51 | flat | i gave already Deli Linux a try but compiler isn`t working so its useless |
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| 23:22.39 | flat | so i stay with DirectFB stuff :( sucks pretty much# |
| 23:22.52 | agaran | you can crosscompile binutils and gcc on any linux with target to that embeded one, then recompile it on target platform.. |
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| 23:24.29 | flat | or give netbsd a try ... but VT support isnt that good |
| 23:25.05 | agaran | i just had some experience with netbsd on mips @25Mhz.. so not very fast machine.. |
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| 23:27.27 | flat | can i split one VT into four ? |
| 23:27.56 | flat | that would a solution, i just need this old notebook to view cluster stats and some network stuff |
| 23:28.07 | nkuttler | flat: gnu screen can afaik |
| 23:28.17 | flat | thx 4 help i will give it a try :) |
| 23:28.19 | draemon | yes, gnu screen can do that |
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| 23:28.38 | mosno | nkuttler: it only does a 2-window hoz split, afaik, unless newer versions are improved? |
| 23:28.58 | mosno | flat: i assume you want to view all four windows simultaneously? |
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| 23:29.08 | draemon | it can do >2 |
| 23:29.11 | agaran | morficus_: i use now 30 screens.. |
| 23:29.11 | mosno | ooh |
| 23:29.15 | draemon | not sure about vert split tho |
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| 23:29.20 | agaran | s/morficus/mosno/ |
| 23:29.27 | agaran | it can do vert split too |
| 23:29.27 | nkuttler | yeah, dunno about vertical |
| 23:29.31 | flat | mosno: yes |
| 23:29.32 | mosno | cool |
| 23:29.43 | mosno | i'm too used to crusty old SLES10 |
| 23:30.00 | mosno | (unless i didn't RTFM properly) |
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| 23:31.48 | adb | agaran: know mips @ 800 Mhz aka lemote ? |
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| 23:32.11 | agaran | adb: no, but i have access to 200mhz sgi mips based machines.. |
| 23:32.18 | agaran | that old was decstation.. |
| 23:32.33 | agaran | mips little endian, as opposite to sgi ones which are BE afaik |
| 23:32.34 | flat | agaran: running ultrix ? |
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| 23:33.25 | adb | agaran: http://www.lemote.com/english/index.html |
| 23:33.35 | agaran | flat: old decstation has netbsd then linux, sgi stuff runs irix |
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| 23:34.02 | agaran | adb: and i saw hack to replace 200Mhz r5k for those sgi with 600Mhz r7k |
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| 23:35.17 | adb | lemote Loongson 2F cpu has frequency 800MHz-1GHz ... |
| 23:36.09 | agaran | adb: nice, those r7k is manufactured by pmc sierra |
| 23:37.30 | adb | great , don't know about pmc |
| 23:38.14 | agaran | they manufacture various stuff, and mips technologies sells mips cores licenses to implement them via VHDL in some fpgas as well |
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| 23:39.43 | flat | mips is these days mostly used for embedded stuff ?!? |
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| 23:40.34 | fbc-mx | Thanks to everyone here for the help upgrading my etch to lenny. However it get an error when doing an apt-get update. http://pastebin.ca/1425010 |
| 23:40.34 | apt | sure thing, fbc-mx |
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| 23:41.09 | jp`busy | Wee, new issue. I installed the nvidia drivers. They work, because I can get to the login manager with the right resolution and things. But after i hit enter my monitor tells me the the screen refresh rate is out of bounds. |
| 23:41.11 | agaran | flat: yes, ie well known linksys routers have broadcom inside |
| 23:41.48 | fbc-mx | agaran, linksys is a cisco product right? |
| 23:42.04 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.26 | nkuttler | fbc-mx: hm, can you paste your sources.list? |
| 23:42.31 | agaran | fbc-mx: basically, linksys was separate company then cisco bought them |
| 23:42.43 | agaran | fbc-mx: and now they are division of cisco systems.. |
| 23:43.07 | adb | ah , was bought... |
| 23:43.16 | fbc-mx | nkuttler, sure thing .. stand by |
| 23:43.17 | agaran | adb: about 2 years ago or bit more |
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| 23:43.41 | adb | grr than |
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| 23:44.52 | agaran | i have even one or two linksyses, and they was using linux as embeded software |
| 23:44.57 | fbc-mx | nkuttler, I think I fixed it... thanks anyways... |
| 23:45.18 | agaran | but nowadays linksys stuff mostly have vxworks |
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| 23:45.36 | agaran | as it fit in smaller flash/mem and devices are more useless besides their primar functionn |
| 23:45.51 | agaran | while old wrt had numerous mods adding sd cards, mp3 devices to them |
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| 23:46.03 | agaran | i was playing some with that stuff |
| 23:46.33 | adb | http://www.lemote.com/english/cpu.html |
| 23:46.47 | agaran | adb: already peek there.. |
| 23:47.01 | adb | heh |
| 23:47.21 | agaran | adb: and oldest cpu looks best, with tiny switches to configure |
| 23:47.36 | agaran | hmm, i think i overclocked sparc cpu once by rewiring resistors on pcb.. |
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| 23:47.54 | adb | nice |
| 23:48.26 | agaran | it was almost by mistake, just had two cpus differing only in few resistors and different clock.. guess what was next step;) |
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| 23:48.55 | adb | ;) |
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| 23:49.17 | agaran | i hope am not too far offtopic here? |
| 23:49.29 | adb | yes we are ;) |
| 23:49.54 | agaran | adb, apple desktop bus, am right? |
| 23:50.07 | adb | yes , #debian-offtopic |
| 23:50.14 | agaran | sure |
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| 23:53.11 | votan | how do you get youtube to work |
| 23:53.53 | nkuttler | votan: flashplugin-nonfree is one way |
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| 23:54.26 | votan | heh okay |
| 23:54.30 | votan | ill go with tthe nonfree |
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| 23:56.41 | janm | hi! would anyone know the status of xserver-input-kbd/mouse/synaptics in unstable? If I update xserver-xorg, does packages will be removed. Is it safe to remove them? |
| 23:57.38 | nkuttler | janm: they should be replaced with xserver-xorg-foo |
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