| 00:00.10 | adb | maximi891: and wow much free ? |
| 00:00.14 | adb | how* |
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| 00:00.41 | maximi891 | 297 |
| 00:00.55 | jpinx-eeepc | I've got 2 GBs but no swap - so there's almost nothing free |
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| 00:01.11 | jpinx-eeepc | and free does not really tell you waht's available |
| 00:01.17 | maximi891 | yes |
| 00:01.19 | Tramp | positron: that cannot work (I'd say) because the state of the filesystems change continously. |
| 00:01.19 | maximi891 | i know |
| 00:01.28 | maximi891 | because the programs more used are on memory |
| 00:01.34 | maximi891 | and the minus go to swap |
| 00:01.40 | jpinx-eeepc | RAM can be occupied but available, the kernel keeps stuff there "just in case" |
| 00:01.42 | maximi891 | but only if the memory are used |
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| 00:02.20 | maximi891 | problems... |
| 00:02.20 | positron | Tramp: Should I assume there is no program designed for that purpose? |
| 00:02.21 | adb | maximi891: you suspend as user ? |
| 00:02.25 | maximi891 | yes |
| 00:02.38 | adb | maximi89: [01:46:01] <adb> cat /etc/group | grep pow |
| 00:02.55 | Tramp | positron: since it's not possible, it makes no sense to write a program for it |
| 00:02.58 | maximi891 | powerdev:x:109:maximi89 |
| 00:03.01 | maximi891 | adb: |
| 00:03.10 | positron | Okay, thanks. |
| 00:03.11 | adb | i see |
| 00:03.51 | adb | what's the command used ? ah gui |
| 00:04.02 | maximi891 | yes |
| 00:04.07 | maximi891 | gui and terminal |
| 00:04.33 | chomwitt | adb: i was wondering why there are 2 kernels. Shouldnt 2.6.26-1-amd64 update to 2,6,26-2-amd64 ? |
| 00:04.47 | jpinx-eeepc | adb: if you look at the paste - root does not have exec permission of /proc/acpi/sleep |
| 00:05.03 | jpinx-eeepc | hence my comment to chmod it |
| 00:05.19 | positron | Tramp: maybe using hibernate with a cronjob but without shutting down. However, I couldn't make hibernate to work. |
| 00:05.20 | agaran | positron: look for thing called cryopid, no idea if it works, but you may give a try if project isnt dead |
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| 00:05.56 | maximi891 | i have installed pm-utils |
| 00:06.38 | maximi891 | i uninstalld uswsusp, tuxonice, hibernate, and only still pm-utils that can suspend to mem and hdd |
| 00:06.54 | maximi891 | cat /sys/power/state |
| 00:06.54 | maximi891 | standby mem disk |
| 00:07.01 | Tramp | positron: I just tried to explain that a certain RAM state corresponds with a certain filesystem state. So you'd have to save both which obviously does not make sense. You cannot put a RAM state saved at some time in the past together with the current filesystem state |
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| 00:07.58 | positron | All right, all right. |
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| 00:12.06 | lostson | positron: watch Dazed & Confused lately ? |
| 00:12.31 | positron | Why? |
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| 00:12.56 | lostson | looked to me like you were quoting matthew's character from the movie |
| 00:13.18 | positron | Nope. |
| 00:13.25 | maximi891 | adb: /etc/pm/config.d it's a directory? |
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| 00:17.48 | maximi891 | adb: http://pastebin.ca/1425958 |
| 00:18.10 | maximi891 | there is the suspend log |
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| 00:19.25 | hoohah | hello. how do i remove debs of applications i haven't installed from cache? |
| 00:19.47 | abrotman | aptitude remove <pkg> |
| 00:20.14 | hoohah | i've 'removed' them in the past, but i have the feeling they stayed in apt cache? |
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| 00:21.14 | hoohah | nvm. found http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 00:21.14 | jpinx-eeepc | hoohah: aptitude clean ? |
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| 00:22.27 | chomwitt | is it normal after a kernel-image security update a wireless module (ath_pci) not to work and have to recompile it to make it work. Should i bug report ? |
| 00:22.28 | adb | maximi891: this is mine :) |
| 00:22.31 | adb | http://pastebin.ca/1425960 |
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| 00:23.36 | careta | no chomwitt that is normal for some modules |
| 00:24.36 | hoohah | hmm, clean and autoclean don't do what I want. Basically, i want to make sure that my cache of debs only remain for that which i've installed |
| 00:24.38 | dabreegster | did kde4 make it into squeeze today or something? aptitude's dist-upgrade appears broken today |
| 00:24.43 | maximi891 | adb: too much diff |
| 00:24.51 | maximi891 | never i see this lines Switching from vt7 to vt1 switching back to vt7 |
| 00:24.54 | adb | yeah |
| 00:24.59 | careta | although it would be nice if aptitude gave a hint |
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| 00:28.10 | abrotman | chomwitt: depends on the version change .. |
| 00:28.32 | maximi891 | i going to try with pm-is-supported --suspend-hybrid |
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| 00:28.53 | maximi891 | nothing happens |
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| 00:30.28 | el_critter | Hi, anyone knows if kernel 2.6.26 implements dead gateway detection? |
| 00:31.48 | amanda-b | what's the scoop on the kde upgrade that's just gone to squeeze? it's completely killed one of my installs, and i'd like it to not kill my other one. is there a doc somewhere? |
| 00:33.22 | dabreegster | amanda-b: I'm having the same issue, do let me know if you find out anything please |
| 00:33.35 | dabreegster | There's nothing on the wiki, nor does #debian-kde on oftc respond right now |
| 00:33.48 | pianist | Hello, How are you? |
| 00:33.59 | abrotman | amanda-b: that's part of running something other than stable .. you should be subscribed to the lists that would have warned you .. |
| 00:34.35 | amanda-b | abrotman, finger-wagging does not assist me in solving my issue. thank you for your non-help. |
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| 00:35.03 | abrotman | amanda-b: you didn't give us any information that we can use to help you .. what do you want? guessing? |
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| 00:36.38 | dabreegster | amanda-b: http://www.nabble.com/KDE4-hits-testing-in-a-few-hours-td23586170.html This makes mention of it, offers no advice. I'm checking bug reports right now. My guess is wait a few hours/day, apt-get update, try again. Not sure yet if its a library that didnt make it in yet |
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| 00:38.31 | abrotman | amanda-b never said what was actually wrong .. what would amanda-b need advice on? |
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| 00:39.33 | dabreegster | abrotman: as soon as aptitude finishes updating some stuff, I'll elaborate. the update today introduced kde4 packages such as kde-full, but installing them left unresolved dependencies. best option by aptitude was to remove kde3 stuff like kdecore and to hold the kde4 stuff |
| 00:39.47 | amanda-b | we can start with, kde doesn't start. at all. X starts - i get the grey background with the X cursor. |
| 00:40.00 | abrotman | dabreegster: i'm aware of what happened |
| 00:40.23 | abrotman | amanda-b: and you don't have any packages held back? and the metapackage 'kde' is installed? |
| 00:40.45 | dabreegster | amanda-b: on the install that broke, did you let it remove kde3 and still hold the new packages back? |
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| 00:41.25 | abrotman | amanda-b: do other WMs work ? |
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| 00:42.34 | Qlag | I get the following error when installing debian: Device /dev/hdc has multiple (0) logical sectors per physical sector. |
| 00:42.41 | amanda-b | metapackage kde has no installation candidate. i do not have other WMs installed. dabreegster, it was an automated dist-upgrade with apt-get. |
| 00:42.45 | Qlag | I know this is a parted error, but no one is alive in the parted channel |
| 00:43.03 | abrotman | you should probably be using aptitude |
| 00:43.20 | amanda-b | i "should" but i have never grown comfortable with it and always hated it. |
| 00:43.21 | abrotman | can you install kde-core or kdebase ? |
| 00:43.25 | H2S04 | abrotman, no probably. :P |
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| 00:43.33 | abrotman | yes .. but aptitude is better at leaving your system in a non-broken state |
| 00:43.34 | H2S04 | amanda-b, aptitude handles dependencies and such much more sanely. |
| 00:43.58 | H2S04 | follow abrotman's advice, he's made of sourdough, you have to do what he says. |
| 00:44.30 | abrotman | wonders if laptop keyboards are hot-pluggable ... |
| 00:44.32 | dabreegster | In this particular case, sadly aptitude isnt handling it much better than to allow you a chance to hold back everything instead of let apt nuke kde 3 and hold kde 4 |
| 00:44.35 | jpinx-eeepc | !why aptitude |
| 00:44.35 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 00:44.59 | abrotman | dabreegster: amanda-b did either of you try asking #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net ? |
| 00:45.11 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: fwiw - I hotswapped my old toshiba laptop kayboard |
| 00:45.12 | abrotman | dabreegster: but your kde is working? |
| 00:45.15 | dabreegster | abrotman: I'm on there now, no reply in about 20 minutes |
| 00:45.27 | H2S04 | jpinx-eeepc, into your eeepc? :X |
| 00:45.31 | jpinx-eeepc | *keyboard - even |
| 00:45.31 | dabreegster | abrotman: Yes, because when I saw the unresolved dependencies, I held back all upgrades and kept my kde 3 stuff |
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| 00:55.24 | mcm | how can i see the boot option of an already running system? |
| 00:56.02 | hoohah | hello, i'm contemplating installing gnome on my sqeeze system. If i were to get rid of it later on, would it be a fairly simple task? I'd like all pacakges gnome-related to be rmeoved |
| 00:56.16 | hoohah | *squeeze; *packages; *removed |
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| 00:57.24 | mcm | hoohah: really never tried it but it should work one of these 2 ways: |
| 00:57.46 | abrotman | !remove gnome |
| 00:57.46 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly). |
| 00:58.23 | mcm | hoohah: 1) 'dpkg --get-selections > current.packages.list' and after that point you can compare installed and old list of packages... |
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| 00:58.41 | karsten | abrotman: PS2 keyboards are, it's likely emulated PS2. |
| 00:58.47 | karsten | abrotman: PS2 mice aren't. |
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| 00:59.43 | mcm | hoohah: and after e.g. install gnome-desktop you can remove that specific package and run 'apt-get autoremove' so it removed all automatically installed packages related to an non-longer-installed package. |
| 00:59.50 | f1shb0t | abrotman: PS2 keyboards are, it's likely emulated PS2. |
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| 01:00.20 | f1shb0t | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:00.52 | f1shb0t | dli, now i get "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/usb2/2-1/2-1:1.0/input/input4/event4" from devadm |
| 01:01.07 | Qlag | I get the following error when installing debian: Device /dev/hdc has multiple (0) logical sectors per physical sector. Any advice, info? I have no idea what this means. |
| 01:01.20 | f1shb0t | > [(x,y,z) | x<-[1..999], y<-[x..999], et z=1000-x-y, x^2+y^2==z^2] |
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| 01:01.50 | f1shb0t | abrotman: PS2 mice aren't. |
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| 01:02.20 | f1shb0t | jigp: I think this will do it 'chmod 700 /home/(user)' |
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| 01:02.37 | abrotman | karsten: it's a laptop keyboard .. hooked by a ribbon |
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| 01:03.16 | abrotman | f1shb0t: are you broken? |
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| 01:05.21 | maximi891 | adb: are you there? |
| 01:05.32 | adb | y |
| 01:05.47 | maximi891 | your suspend works? |
| 01:05.59 | adb | yes |
| 01:06.11 | maximi891 | what kernel version? |
| 01:06.25 | maximi891 | i ḿ using 2.6.29 debian unstable |
| 01:06.32 | blouf | is gnome 2.24 available with sid ? |
| 01:06.34 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.42 | maximi891 | uhmmm right... |
| 01:06.47 | maximi891 | hehehe |
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| 01:07.26 | maximi891 | and you have installed only pm-utils or tuxonice, uswsusp? |
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| 01:08.00 | maximi891 | in my case it's only pm-utils on unstable with the .29 |
| 01:08.07 | adb | uswsusp, |
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| 01:08.21 | maximi891 | my suspend on the old .26 works if i'm not bad |
| 01:08.21 | abrotman | blouf: .26 is starting to flow in |
| 01:08.48 | abrotman | blouf: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.26-status.html |
| 01:08.51 | maximi891 | adb: thanks |
| 01:08.56 | adb | yw |
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| 01:15.53 | blouf | abrotman: if i add sid repo in my source.list, and search for these package will i get the new one or the old one ? |
| 01:16.04 | abrotman | uh .. add it to what ? |
| 01:16.45 | blouf | abrotman: i wanna reinstall gnome in 2.26, not in 2.22 or 2.24 |
| 01:16.58 | abrotman | blouf: yes .. which version of debian are you running ? |
| 01:17.05 | blouf | abrotman : squeeze |
| 01:17.17 | abrotman | blouf: if you were smart, you'd just wait for it to get there |
| 01:17.34 | blouf | abrotman: m not smart, actually m running a 2.22 |
| 01:18.00 | abrotman | you'd still be smart to wait |
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| 01:18.14 | blouf | i see |
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| 01:19.04 | blouf | ok need to reboot |
| 01:19.05 | blouf | cya |
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| 01:34.26 | blouf | never never never install gnome using the "gnome" package |
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| 01:38.23 | abrotman | it works fine if you don't mix versions of debian .. like i told you not to ... |
| 01:38.47 | lostson | yeppers and one must always listen to abrotman !! |
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| 01:39.30 | tansell | anyone know a tool which explains how apt-get is figuring out which packages to install? |
| 01:40.06 | abrotman | you mean the dependencies ? |
| 01:40.12 | dabreegster | aptitude will show you this |
| 01:40.44 | serfurj | i'm using software raid1 + luks + lvm, and when i upgraded my kernel, my initrd was regenerated. now, when i try to boot, i get the error "cryptsetup: lvm fs found but no lvm configured". how can i configure initramfs-tools to start the lvm mapper? |
| 01:40.50 | tansell | abrotman, no, i mean when there is a package in repository A and the same package in repository B - how it chooses which one it uses |
| 01:41.01 | abrotman | it's the same package |
| 01:41.10 | abrotman | apt-cache policy <pkg> |
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| 01:41.31 | serfurj | i tried copying the lvm2 script to /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/ and regenerating the initrd, to no avail |
| 01:42.40 | tansell | thanks policy was what I'm after |
| 01:44.11 | Sebboh- | Question about shells and jobs. I'm pretty sure that I used to do something like /bin/foobard & and that process would keep running when I logged out. ..Now I'm not so sure. Can someone clarify? And is it different if the connection drops, rather than explicitly logging out? |
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| 01:45.05 | Sebboh- | And does this vary from unix to unix? |
| 01:45.11 | serfurj | Sebboh-: you can use disown for that |
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| 01:45.49 | Sebboh- | Right, that's what I've heard. But I survived for many years without disown.. and I'm curious as to how I did. |
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| 01:56.51 | RazaMetaL | hi |
| 01:57.08 | RazaMetaL | guys, what is the recomended proxy for apt ? |
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| 01:57.29 | abrotman | you mean like apt-cacher ? or apt-proxy ? |
| 01:57.31 | RazaMetaL | I've 4 pcs at home, but a very small internet connectio |
| 01:57.33 | RazaMetaL | yes.. |
| 01:57.57 | RazaMetaL | so.. install openoffice.org on each machine implies downloading > 100Mb for each machine |
| 01:58.12 | RazaMetaL | what will be better.. apt-catcher-nv, approx, apt-proxy |
| 01:58.17 | RazaMetaL | ? |
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| 01:58.35 | RazaMetaL | upss.. apt-cacher-ng |
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| 01:59.24 | RazaMetaL | apt-proxy an approx can work in parallel mode ? |
| 01:59.51 | RazaMetaL | it means if 2 pcs can downloading the same file al same time? |
| 02:00.19 | abrotman | but they're pointed at your apt proxy |
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| 02:02.10 | RazaMetaL | i'll be trying apt-cacher-ng |
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| 02:13.34 | anoHito | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.47 | anoHito | gotta install bigmem okay ? |
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| 02:14.09 | ultraj6 | whats your processor? |
| 02:14.28 | anoHito | hi ultraj6 ,how are you |
| 02:14.34 | ultraj6 | i am good |
| 02:14.35 | anoHito | it is intel xeon |
| 02:14.40 | anoHito | i found linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem-etchnhalf |
| 02:14.54 | anoHito | and i was using this no problem before the reinstallation |
| 02:15.04 | anoHito | apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem-etchnhalf ? |
| 02:15.09 | t_corr | hi all, i'm setting up dm-crypt home directories through pam and it seems to be working well - was very easy to setup, but i have found that if i 'su' to the user, and then 'exit' back into the original user, the dm-crypt image is not unmounted. it *is* unmounted if i login as the user originally, and exit, and then login as, for example, root. |
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| 02:15.21 | t_corr | am i missing something i should have configured? |
| 02:15.25 | anoHito | i wonder if i do that , how about the current kernel,it will be removed ? |
| 02:15.54 | debian_j | btw: is it possible to still use a 2.4 kernel with a fresh lenny? |
| 02:16.19 | abrotman | no |
| 02:16.27 | abrotman | anoHito: you can use the -bigmem |
| 02:16.30 | debian_j | or does it give a lot of problems |
| 02:16.31 | anoHito | apt-get intall linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem-etchnhalf okay ? |
| 02:16.39 | anoHito | hi abrotman ,morning |
| 02:16.46 | abrotman | soemthing like that |
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| 02:17.59 | anoHito | hmm by then, the current kernel will be removed ? |
| 02:18.12 | abrotman | shouldn't be |
| 02:18.23 | anoHito | I see, and i have another question please. |
| 02:18.24 | debian_j | backup |
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| 02:19.02 | t_corr | damn, it looks like pam-mount doesn't support ssh public key anyway, which i need. |
| 02:19.16 | anoHito | How do i check if the HDD works in PIO mode or no ? if it is, how do i enable the DMA feature as it is a default standard for modern disks ? |
| 02:19.16 | maximi891 | guys, how i create an iso from a hdd, i mean i need make a backup of a HDD, cp /dev/hdd ./image.iso |
| 02:19.18 | maximi891 | ? |
| 02:19.25 | abrotman | maximi891: dd |
| 02:19.28 | debian_j | hdparm |
| 02:19.30 | maximi891 | dd thanks |
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| 02:20.01 | debian_j | maximi891: clonezilla-cd |
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| 02:20.16 | maximi891 | thanks, but i have the dd command ;) |
| 02:20.29 | debian_j | clonezilla has dd, too ^^ |
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| 02:20.35 | maximi891 | ahahaha |
| 02:20.37 | maximi891 | right |
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| 02:22.28 | debian_j | can i use screen-profiles_1.44-0ubuntu1_all.deb with lenny? |
| 02:22.44 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 02:22.51 | maximi891 | abrotman: sudo dd if=/dev/hdb1 of=./simon.iso |
| 02:22.53 | debian_j | or is there something similar? |
| 02:22.56 | maximi891 | something wrong? |
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| 02:24.09 | debian_j | maximi891: my tip is still clonezilla. it makes backup of partition-table, too |
| 02:24.16 | abrotman | something error ? |
| 02:24.38 | abrotman | debian_j: he wants to back up a partition apparently |
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| 02:24.55 | maximi891 | o thanks!, i go to take your tip, but today it's only for get the data, not table |
| 02:25.01 | maximi891 | abrotman: yes you right |
| 02:25.02 | maximi891 | :P |
| 02:25.09 | debian_j | yes. but a loneley dd may give problems |
| 02:25.23 | abrotman | he could just tar it up |
| 02:25.40 | debian_j | not just becouse of compression |
| 02:26.23 | maximi891 | wow, use all cpu XD |
| 02:27.55 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.08 | debian_j | again: may i get problems in using the ubuntu-deb screen-profiles with lenny or is there something similar for lenny? |
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| 02:29.16 | abrotman | i said don't use it .. apparently you're going ot ignore us anyways |
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| 02:29.36 | debian_j | me? and why not using it? |
| 02:29.47 | abrotman | it's made for ubuntu? not lenny? |
| 02:29.59 | debian_j | yes *roling-eyes* |
| 02:30.09 | abrotman | then why are you even asking us? |
| 02:30.31 | anoHito | hdparm /dev/sda ,it reports it is in 16bit mode, i do not see DMA report ,any clue ? |
| 02:30.32 | debian_j | maybe someone has tried it before me |
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| 02:31.38 | debian_j | i have examined the package... and besides it uses screen.real instead of screen i see no problem... but maybe i see not all |
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| 02:31.48 | abrotman | right .. so you're going to ignore us .. why did you even ask? |
| 02:31.56 | abrotman | just try it .. if it blows up, you get to keep the pieces |
| 02:31.57 | debian_j | lol. ok |
| 02:32.05 | anoHito | hmmm |
| 02:32.13 | anoHito | anyone can help me please |
| 02:32.25 | anoHito | i need to enable DMA and 32bit with hdparm. |
| 02:32.36 | debian_j | man hdparm |
| 02:32.53 | debian_j | there is an option to enable DMA |
| 02:33.56 | martianixor | hi, guys if I have a webserver that I'd like to transfer files from/to without enabling ssh, is that possible? |
| 02:34.29 | debian_j | martianixor: -v |
| 02:34.33 | martianixor | may be throw the files somewhere in the DocumentRoot that I know |
| 02:34.42 | martianixor | but is there any other way? |
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| 02:35.19 | debian_j | somethig with php and upload/download-script |
| 02:35.20 | abrotman | martianixor: webdav ? |
| 02:35.34 | martianixor | debian_j: how do you usually get post files with your webserver? |
| 02:35.46 | debian_j | hä |
| 02:35.51 | martianixor | abrotman: not sure, will take a look? |
| 02:36.05 | abrotman | !webdav |
| 02:36.05 | dpkg | webdav is probably "Web-based Distributed Authoring and Versioning". It is a set of extensions to the HTTP protocol which allows users to collaboratively edit and manage files on remote web servers. |
| 02:36.43 | martianixor | abrotman: nah, I meant db backups and stuff like that |
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| 02:38.27 | abrotman | martianixor: what else would you like to use instead of ssh ? |
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| 02:39.46 | martianixor | abrotman: I was thinking getting the file using the browser from the DocumentRoot then delete'em, and when I want to put files on the server I'd use vsftp or something |
| 02:40.04 | anoHito | hmm :( |
| 02:40.05 | abrotman | so you don't want to use ssh, but ftp is okay? |
| 02:40.15 | martianixor | abrotman: nope |
| 02:40.21 | abrotman | that's what vsftp is |
| 02:40.27 | martianixor | abrotman: yes I know |
| 02:40.37 | martianixor | abrotman: just temporarily |
| 02:40.48 | martianixor | abrotman: hence I'm asking |
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| 02:41.10 | abrotman | so why not use ssh temporarily? |
| 02:41.31 | martianixor | abrotman: I'm searching for other ways |
| 02:41.42 | martianixor | other possible ways of doing the samething |
| 02:41.50 | debian_juenger | no ftp? |
| 02:41.52 | abrotman | you could use netcat |
| 02:41.57 | debian_juenger | or sftp |
| 02:42.05 | abrotman | martianixor: why not use ssh ? |
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| 02:42.41 | martianixor | abrotman: just thought of avoiding using it with the webserver |
| 02:42.43 | debian_juenger | some hosters use sftp even when you dont have shell-acess with ssh |
| 02:42.57 | anoHito | abrotman, :( can you help me with hdparm |
| 02:43.05 | abrotman | probably not |
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| 02:43.33 | martianixor | anoHito: you can man man just in case you need more info on how to use man |
| 02:43.36 | jeff__ | Hey, has anyone run into this problem before? http://pastebin.ca/1426027 I have recently done a kernel recompile, and now, occasionally when I run 'fdisk' my external USB drive goes crazy and these messages show up in my syslog. |
| 02:44.05 | anoHito | abrotman, you are sleepy ;) |
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| 02:44.19 | anoHito | martianixor, oh. |
| 02:44.48 | abrotman | anoHito: nothing to do with that .. i don't mess with hdparm |
| 02:44.59 | anoHito | okay. |
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| 02:45.35 | debian_juenger | "dont mess with hdparm" sounds nice ^^ |
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| 02:59.02 | anoHito | i cannot find the current DMA status with hdparm. |
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| 02:59.16 | anoHito | hdparm -d /dev/sda does not work. |
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| 03:00.23 | duckinator | wtf is '/usr/sbin/denyhosts'? cuz 'python /usr/sbin/denyhosts --daemon --purge --config=/etc/denyhosts.conf --config=/etc/denyhosts.conf"? cuz it's using the most RAM out of everything on my VPS, and it's rather limited in terms of RAM (128MB) |
| 03:00.25 | CodeBlock | looks around, then quacks at duckinator |
| 03:00.35 | duckinator | eats CodeBlock |
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| 03:01.13 | Trivedi | Linux Proves - The Best Things In Life Are Free http://techbuddha.blog.co.in/2009/04/14/linux-proves-the-best-things-in-life-are-free/ |
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| 03:01.37 | duckinator | wow, CodeBlock this is why you shouldn't distract me like you did elsewhere! :< |
| 03:01.47 | CodeBlock | duckinator: :( |
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| 03:02.01 | jmarsden | duckinator: man denyhosts # will tell you what it is |
| 03:02.10 | duckinator | jmarsden: alright |
| 03:02.34 | t_corr | is there a way to have a mounted volume be automatically unmounted after a set time of inactivity? |
| 03:02.56 | duckinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.57 | anoHito | i run hdparm -c3 -m16 -u1 -d1 -X70 /dev/sda , i get a lot of errors. |
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| 03:04.42 | anoHito | i am going nuts. |
| 03:04.52 | anoHito | or i shall edit hdparm.conf ? |
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| 03:05.51 | maximi891 | hey, uswsusp have a lot of bugs :O |
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| 03:06.04 | debian_juenger | anoHito "doesnt work" is not the best failure-description |
| 03:06.18 | heroxbd` | I have two iface with two ips, both of which are external. IP-a is used for "default" route. But then IP-b cannot be reached from outside. I suppose when a remote host connect to IP-b, my host reply with IP-a as src so the remote host is confused. how can I set conf so that whoever connect to IP-b is answered by IP-b? |
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| 03:06.52 | anoHito | debian_juenger, http://pastebin.ca/1426048 |
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| 03:08.39 | debian_juenger | anoHito: better. but i have no clue |
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| 03:08.45 | anoHito | okay |
| 03:08.49 | debian_juenger | sda exists? ^^ |
| 03:09.00 | anoHito | yes |
| 03:09.04 | debian_juenger | cat /proc/partitions |
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| 03:09.42 | anoHito | all sda there |
| 03:09.49 | debian_juenger | try first with less arguments |
| 03:09.52 | anoHito | sda0 sda1...sda3 |
| 03:10.01 | debian_juenger | sda0? |
| 03:10.15 | debian_juenger | shouldnt |
| 03:10.28 | anoHito | http://pastebin.ca/1426052 |
| 03:10.31 | anoHito | no sda0 oops |
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| 03:10.40 | debian_juenger | a simple hdparm /dev/sda says what? |
| 03:11.11 | debian_juenger | 488Gigs... would like it, too atm |
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| 03:12.42 | anoHito | debian_juenger, http://pastebin.ca/1426053 |
| 03:13.32 | anoHito | debian_juenger, here the hdparm -i /dev/sda http://pastebin.ca/1426056 |
| 03:13.40 | anoHito | says it supports udma5 |
| 03:13.49 | debian_juenger | http://pastebin.ca/1426048 says i i think. problem not with hdparm. search for Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 03:14.10 | anoHito | you mean i maybe need the driver ? |
| 03:14.17 | debian_juenger | maybe |
| 03:14.25 | debian_juenger | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioctl |
| 03:15.11 | debian_juenger | but here i get out of it. its to high for me ^^ |
| 03:15.27 | anoHito | debian_juenger, i googled, says if its SATA device, hdparm reports that Inappropriate ioctl for device is very normal |
| 03:15.58 | debian_juenger | i dont think thats "normal" |
| 03:16.30 | anoHito | hmm |
| 03:16.31 | adb | sdparm - Output and modify SCSI device parameters |
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| 03:16.51 | Myth` | Possible to perform a wireless netinst? |
| 03:16.53 | debian_juenger | adb lol. that may be an idea ^^ |
| 03:17.33 | anoHito | adb, no kidding ? |
| 03:17.35 | debian_juenger | ok, i am an "old one"... i knew just hdparm ^^ |
| 03:17.52 | adb | apt-cache search sdparm |
| 03:17.52 | anoHito | i use SATA HDD connects to the SATA controller on intel s3000ah mobo. |
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| 03:19.05 | anoHito | i ve gotten it instaleld |
| 03:19.14 | anoHito | but googled, few intro about using sdparm |
| 03:19.31 | enouf | wtf? |
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| 03:20.25 | anoHito | but some peoeple say for sata hdds, still use hdparm |
| 03:20.28 | debian_juenger | anoHito: say if it works with sdparm after all |
| 03:20.34 | anoHito | but hdparm does not work for mine,weird. |
| 03:20.40 | enouf | sdparm is a great tool, but not what's apropos here. Your kernel is shit, your drive is shit, or your BIOS and mobo are shit |
| 03:21.21 | anoHito | enouf, i am confused. |
| 03:21.29 | anoHito | i have the lastest kernel |
| 03:21.30 | enouf | you should be |
| 03:21.37 | enouf | whose? |
| 03:21.38 | anoHito | with great product mobo from intel. |
| 03:21.54 | anoHito | debian 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem |
| 03:22.11 | enouf | anoHito: that's not latest |
| 03:22.15 | debian_juenger | yeas seems sdparm is just moe than hdparm... but not an replacement for sata |
| 03:22.16 | anoHito | i cant figure out why hdparm wont work, it used to work fine on ide disk. |
| 03:22.26 | enouf | anoHito: that's not even etch's latest |
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| 03:22.41 | enouf | what version of hdparm? |
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| 03:22.57 | enouf | it always worked fine on ide disks |
| 03:23.01 | anoHito | enouf, i have the lastest kernel. |
| 03:23.08 | enouf | ... |
| 03:23.08 | anoHito | apt-upgrade found nothing. |
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| 03:23.39 | anoHito | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/1426048 |
| 03:23.43 | tsoporan | Hey guys I'm new to debian, any reason why aptitude install synaptic tells me there is nothing to install? (And no it doesn't exist on the system) |
| 03:24.09 | debian_juenger | anoHito: failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 03:24.18 | enouf | debian_juenger: try this; sdparm -a /dev/cdrom ;-) |
| 03:24.34 | tsoporan | Oh I didn't read that it was in testing, my bad. |
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| 03:25.47 | debian_juenger | anoHito: still search for that and hdparm and your drive and kernel |
| 03:26.13 | anoHito | i cannot even enable 32bit |
| 03:26.25 | debian_juenger | you dont get it, right? |
| 03:26.56 | adb | checked BIOS ? |
| 03:26.59 | debian_juenger | it will not get better if you try again and again |
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| 03:27.27 | Rusty1 | tsoporan: apt-cache policy synaptic agrees ? |
| 03:27.44 | anoHito | ? |
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| 03:29.31 | Sebboh- | Hi. I haven't paid attention to anything related to audio in Linux in years. Uhm, lspci -vv shows I have a sound card, and kernel module snd-cs5535audio is associated with it. Now what? I want to play an MP3. |
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| 03:30.18 | debian_juenger | "I want to play an MP3" is not the best failure-description |
| 03:30.58 | tsoporan | Rusty1: not sure what that does, but I get: W: Unable to locate package agrees |
| 03:31.39 | Sebboh- | debian_juenger, I don't have failure, I haven't ran any commands. :P |
| 03:31.55 | H2S04 | Sebboh-, *run |
| 03:32.05 | debian_juenger | Sebboh-: then try it ^^ |
| 03:32.06 | Rusty1 | tsoporan: apt-cache policy synaptic from the command line will tell if it's installed or not |
| 03:32.16 | H2S04 | Sebboh-, mplayer or MOCP "Music on Console player" |
| 03:32.36 | H2S04 | Sebboh-, mplayer filename.mp3 |
| 03:32.38 | Sebboh- | ... I don't have a configured sound card. |
| 03:32.58 | Sebboh- | Or, how do I check if I have a sound card configured? |
| 03:33.18 | H2S04 | well have you installed alsa or oss? |
| 03:33.19 | debian_juenger | ear -> soundcarnd ... ROTFL |
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| 03:33.47 | H2S04 | mouth -> beer ... DELICIOUS |
| 03:34.04 | duckinator | why would apache crash after using 5MB RAM (system at 60/128MB with it running) then say "[Mon May 18 03:33:20 2009] [alert] (12)Cannot allocate memory: apr_thread_create: unable to create listener thread" ? |
| 03:34.11 | duckinator | er, it doesn't say that, that's in the logs |
| 03:34.12 | Sebboh- | H2S04, uhm, dpkg says I have alsa-utils.let's see.. |
| 03:34.16 | bitmonk | howdy.. is it possible to preconfigure a usb installer to get itself far enough to wait for ssh login to complete? |
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| 03:35.14 | debian_juenger | bitmonk: yes |
| 03:35.14 | liable | bitmonk: yes, there is ssh ability in the installer. check the appendix of the install guide. it shows preseed files for how to do so. |
| 03:36.29 | debian_juenger | liable: btw how big is the minimalisic package fos such an usb-installer. netinstal-cd is abit big |
| 03:36.54 | adb | Sebboh-: speaker-test -t wav -c 2 |
| 03:37.02 | anoHito | debian_juenger, you mean i should forget about hdparm in sata devices ? |
| 03:37.07 | debian_juenger | in the old days one could install debian from just one floppy... LOL |
| 03:37.08 | anoHito | it wont work ? |
| 03:37.31 | debian_juenger | anoHito: no. just google for this failure |
| 03:37.41 | liable | debian_juenger: the basic usb installer is a kernel + initrd, but you need an iso iirc. i dont think it has the required packages to do the install by itself. I could be wrong though |
| 03:37.42 | anoHito | ok |
| 03:37.45 | anoHito | gotta run |
| 03:38.09 | Sebboh- | adb, I saw speaker-test and tried it without arguments, the output is here: http://pastebin.ca/1426076 |
| 03:38.14 | debian_juenger | weird guy |
| 03:38.32 | Sebboh- | now trying it it with the args you specified. |
| 03:39.02 | Sebboh- | same output, adb. |
| 03:39.09 | adb | try alsaconf |
| 03:39.54 | liable | fyi, alsaconf was removed recently in sid |
| 03:40.26 | adb | Sebboh-: on sid ? |
| 03:40.54 | Sebboh- | nope, testing. |
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| 03:40.59 | adb | same |
| 03:41.08 | adb | !alsaconf |
| 03:41.08 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
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| 03:41.19 | imimimi | hi, what kernel version does debian lenny supply? ie what is xx in 2.6.xx? i am not near my computer but i just installed it and i need to know the exact kernel version |
| 03:41.35 | liable | 2.6.26 |
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| 03:42.04 | imimimi | thank you very much liable |
| 03:42.12 | liable | yw |
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| 03:42.52 | debian_juenger | lol. in ubuntu there is a screen-profile which shows one the "Amazon EC2-Costs" in realtime... |
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| 03:44.21 | imimimi | cya, thanks again |
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| 03:45.11 | adb | i have initrd issue on .26-2-486 |
| 03:45.15 | debian_juenger | hmmm $0.10/GB transfer isnt that much |
| 03:45.57 | adb | on stock kernel |
| 03:46.22 | Sebboh- | What's a terminal emulator that will run on any xwindows (like xterm) but has some features, like a scrollbar? |
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| 03:48.09 | adb | x-terminal-emulator |
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| 03:49.36 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.55 | Sebboh- | I've got extremely limited resources on this machine. I'll have to check that out later on a desktop. |
| 03:51.18 | Sebboh- | adb, alsaconf failed and I couldn't capture the error. I'm going to abort the mission. I'm sure something good will come on the radio soon. :) |
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| 03:52.47 | adb | alsaconf was removed from testing |
| 03:52.48 | Sebboh- | thank you for your help though, adb and all. |
| 03:52.56 | adb | yw |
| 03:53.04 | Sebboh- | Well I still have a copy I guess. |
| 03:53.06 | Sebboh- | :) |
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| 03:53.45 | adb | judd: versions alsa-utils |
| 03:53.46 | judd | adb: alsa-utils -- etch: 1.0.13-2 lenny: 1.0.16-2 sid: 1.0.19-2 squeeze: 1.0.19-2 |
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| 03:58.22 | Myth` | Possible to do a debian netinst wirelessly? should I have a look a installing it from knoppix or something? |
| 03:58.23 | Joelito | hi all question, I'm using lenny here...i'm using rox-filer, but in right-click options, and I don't see the "translations" feature, anyone know how to change rox language? |
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| 03:58.56 | bitmonk | Myth` look into debootstrap |
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| 03:59.45 | adb | Myth`: /msg dpkg about firmware |
| 04:01.15 | fenhir | howto get ubuntu-reps in /etc/apt/sources.list of lenny... but packages from there should only be updated when they have a "ubuntu" in name and not overwrite lenny-packages. can i have priorities or such for apt-get? |
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| 04:03.12 | adb | fenhir: why you need this ? |
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| 04:03.58 | fenhir | becouse there is a package... which has no equvalent in lenny |
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| 04:04.21 | fenhir | but i would like to have it updated automatically |
| 04:05.26 | stew | fenhir: you should not install ubuntu packages onto lenny |
| 04:05.36 | fenhir | yea.. yea |
| 04:05.40 | stew | fenhir: what packages do you need that aren't in lenny? |
| 04:05.54 | maxagaz | when aliases and options have been changed in /etc/modprobe.d, how to reload the new settings ? |
| 04:05.56 | fenhir | i should not install ubuntu at all... |
| 04:06.07 | fenhir | at the moment screen-profiles |
| 04:06.11 | fenhir | stew |
| 04:07.17 | stew | fenhir: see if a wnpp bug has been filed to see if someone is working on a debian package or if one has been requested yet |
| 04:07.20 | fenhir | but its not only about ubuntu-packages |
| 04:07.45 | stew | fenhir: in the meantime, make a "backport". see "/msg dpkg ssb" but use a ubuntu source instead of a sid source |
| 04:07.46 | fenhir | stefanko: and until then? |
| 04:07.56 | fenhir | would be an idea |
| 04:08.06 | stew | fenhir: this will tell you how to compile the ubuntu package against your libraries |
| 04:08.26 | fenhir | its nothing to be compiled |
| 04:08.35 | fenhir | just scripts |
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| 04:08.43 | stew | fenhir: then it should be very easy |
| 04:09.49 | fenhir | ok. that would be the perfect way... but is there something like priorities or... "update from this rep just this and that package"? |
| 04:10.33 | fenhir | and yea... its my problem when i get inconsitency ^^ |
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| 04:15.31 | fenhir | stew: thanks for the tip with "/msg dpkg ssb"... sounds easy |
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| 04:17.01 | fenhir | how much place need build-essential and the rest to get such a package built on the hdd? not exacly.. |
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| 04:17.18 | fenhir | or should i use a build-host for that |
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| 04:21.41 | copper_ | are transcripts from this room hosted anywhere? |
| 04:21.56 | fenhir | sid: and how is the easy way to use just a few pakages from sid... but not upgrade to sid? |
| 04:22.40 | fenhir | not sid... stew |
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| 04:27.45 | copper_ | anyone? |
| 04:28.38 | enouf | maxagaz: i think moprobe -r module ; modprobe module shoulddo |
| 04:28.53 | jj43 | logs at http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian/ |
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| 04:33.06 | copper_ | thanks |
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| 04:53.57 | KyleK | is there any docs on how to make an apt get method? |
| 04:54.09 | aaaaaaaaaab | man apt-get |
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| 04:54.53 | wooj | KyleK, I think you'd be best off googling that |
| 04:55.02 | wooj | manpages are... .not always helpful ;) |
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| 04:55.21 | aaaaaaaaaab | uhm.. the apt-get manpage is really goot.. IMHO |
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| 04:55.59 | aaaaaaaaaab | else: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 04:56.11 | wooj | aaaaaaaaaab, is it? then its a diamond in the rough ;) |
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| 04:56.48 | KyleK | well im looking for information behind the scenes |
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| 04:56.55 | KyleK | like with how /usr/lib/apt/methods/http is used |
| 04:57.21 | lewis2 | what are good ways to run long-execution PHP scripts in a web browser? |
| 04:57.23 | aaaaaaaaaab | urgh... man apt-get-developer-channel |
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| 04:58.38 | wooj | I think I've seen entire books on apt. |
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| 04:59.19 | aaaaaaaaaab | yea. its really big "behind the scenes" ^^ |
| 04:59.59 | wooj | hey cool I can install project gutenberg ebooks with apt |
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| 05:00.02 | wooj | rofl, awesome. |
| 05:00.11 | int80_h | could someone recommend a website that talks about migrating from xinetd to inetd? |
| 05:00.33 | aaaaaaaaaab | # apt-get install IQ=150 |
| 05:00.36 | aaaaaaaaaab | ^^ |
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| 05:01.24 | aaaaaaaaaab | are there any eastereggs in apt? |
| 05:01.43 | KyleK | other than the cows, probably not |
| 05:02.51 | aaaaaaaaaab | btw. why is "hold" on aptitude different from apt-get-"hold"... is it possible to synchronize that? |
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| 05:03.53 | aaaaaaaaaab | its not soooo god when i put packages on hold in aptitude and apt-get upgrade updates them then |
| 05:04.57 | wooj | aaaaaaaaaab, isnt it better to use safe-upgrade in aptitude anyhow? |
| 05:05.30 | aaaaaaaaaab | thats not the problem i think |
| 05:05.55 | aaaaaaaaaab | for example... i set the kernel on hold in aptitude |
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| 05:06.19 | aaaaaaaaaab | some day i am laze and do a apt-get upgrade... and the kernel get updated |
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| 05:06.36 | aaaaaaaaaab | in aptitude it wouldnt get updated |
| 05:07.39 | aaaaaaaaaab | so they both have their own package-databases obviously |
| 05:08.15 | aaaaaaaaaab | but for setting packages on hold i like aptitude |
| 05:08.24 | aaaaaaaaaab | for installing i like apt-get |
| 05:08.34 | wooj | yeah I can see how that'd be awkward |
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| 05:17.30 | donkdonk | anyone user debian 4? |
| 05:17.49 | donkdonk | i am hoping someone can tell me the md5sum of /bin/bash |
| 05:18.29 | aaaaaaaaaab | the md5 should be listed in tha package |
| 05:18.50 | aaaaaaaaaab | so download the package and look inside it |
| 05:19.22 | aaaaaaaaaab | or du a fresh md5sum of the downloaded ^^ |
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| 05:19.40 | nordze | hm |
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| 05:28.29 | aaaaaaaaaab | hmmm... dpkg --get-selections gives a nice list of installed packages... is there an option to list the package-version, too? |
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| 05:30.48 | xlotlu | aaaaaaaaaab: dpkg-query |
| 05:30.54 | aaaaaaaaaab | wtf i dont have "deselect" on my system. is it too old? |
| 05:31.48 | PingFloyd | there's people that still use dselect? |
| 05:31.53 | konr | is Debian Testing upgraded weekly, ie, will I have 1w-old packages by using it? |
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| 05:32.01 | xlotlu | aaaaaaaaaab: probably dpkg-query -W -f '${Package} ${Version}\n' |
| 05:32.03 | PingFloyd | konr: no |
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| 05:32.22 | PingFloyd | konr: it's updated as packages trickle in and have been sitting in unstable long enough and pass criteria |
| 05:32.54 | aaaaaaaaaab | xlotlu: wow thanks |
| 05:33.27 | PingFloyd | there's always apt-show-versions |
| 05:33.45 | aaaaaaaaaab | ah its on the bottom of man dpkg-query ^^ |
| 05:34.06 | Tramp | aptitude search -F '%p %v' '~i' may be the same ... not sure |
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| 05:36.35 | kyle_l5l | greetings. I'm trying to track down a bug I'm seeing in fedora (and it doesn't happen in debian). I'd like to run debian on a fedora kernel, but when I try to build the initrd with update-initramfs, on bootup it complains that it can't find /sbin/init. Am I missing something? |
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| 05:37.23 | PingFloyd | kyle_l5l: you're probably missing loading a driver in the kernel or initrd |
| 05:37.47 | PingFloyd | kyle_l5l: what is necessary at the point in order be able to mount / |
| 05:38.18 | CrAZzY | I've got a big problem with mplayer, it doesn't even run with 'mplayer --help', just complains that 'nvidia opengl driver requires CPUs with SSE ro run'. (Debian Lenny, i386) |
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| 05:39.12 | kyle_l5l | PingFloyd, I guess a couple ATA/SATA drivers, and raid1 |
| 05:39.12 | maximi89 | hey guys! |
| 05:39.17 | maximi89 | i fix the suspend problem with my pc |
| 05:39.18 | maximi89 | :O |
| 05:39.43 | maximi89 | was only a configuration on a file of pm-utils or uswsusp |
| 05:40.08 | maximi89 | now, i press suspend gui button |
| 05:40.08 | PingFloyd | kyle_l5l: anything and everything needed to get that point |
| 05:40.20 | PingFloyd | kyle_l5l: chipset driver, ata driver, and so on |
| 05:40.26 | maximi89 | and the computer off, y press button and back to work nicely |
| 05:40.27 | maximi89 | :P |
| 05:40.43 | PingFloyd | kyle_l5l: LVM drivers if you use it |
| 05:40.43 | kyle_l5l | PingFloyd, will update-initramfs not grab all that? |
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| 05:41.29 | aaaaaaaaaab | maximi89: nice. so you can help me later with suspend on an old PC ;) |
| 05:41.50 | maximi89 | yeah |
| 05:41.56 | maximi89 | what hour you have? |
| 05:42.04 | kyle_l5l | I suppose it isn't, since the initrd I created is about 3mb, while the one made by the debian package is 7 |
| 05:42.04 | aaaaaaaaaab | maximi89: would be good if you write a little howt instead of posting it here in the channel |
| 05:42.44 | maximi89 | i would do that, but in my blog in spanish, and i can recommen some websites in english, a good sites |
| 05:43.35 | aaaaaaaaaab | i can a little spanish ;) hasta luego and such ^^ |
| 05:43.48 | maximi89 | ahahaha |
| 05:43.59 | maximi89 | good |
| 05:44.09 | maximi89 | maximi89.blogspot.com |
| 05:44.17 | aaaaaaaaaab | k thx |
| 05:44.25 | PingFloyd | kyle_l5l: I'd check your /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
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| 05:45.21 | CrAZzY | Anyone have an idea of my mplayer problem? |
| 05:46.35 | maximi89 | cat /usr/lib/pm-utils/defaults |
| 05:47.22 | kefalo | @crazzy chose some other driver for playing movies.. for example "xv" |
| 05:47.46 | CrAZzY | kefalo, I'm not playing any movie, I just typed 'mplayer --help' |
| 05:48.56 | kefalo | @crazzy, but you could still try changing that option... im not so familiar with mplayer but sounds like problem related to config file |
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| 05:49.22 | CrAZzY | I've tried to add -vo /dev/null but that doesn't work |
| 05:49.44 | aaaaaaaaaab | btw... suspend... does it work with encrypted root and swap? |
| 05:50.01 | maximi89 | aaaaaaaaaab: cat /usr/lib/pm-utils/defaults edit that with the things more appropiated, save the old one. http://pastebin.ca/1426132 you have and nvidia? |
| 05:50.12 | maximi89 | yes i think |
| 05:50.19 | maximi89 | works with ram and swap |
| 05:50.30 | maximi89 | depend on wath suspend you mean |
| 05:50.53 | maximi89 | a nvidia lol |
| 05:52.01 | aaaaaaaaaab | maximi89: no an old ATI rage128 or on the other machine radeon 9700 |
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| 05:53.38 | kefalo | @crazzy check whats here... /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf and ~/.mplayer/mplayer.conf |
| 05:53.49 | aaaaaaaaaab | maximi89: and this is the configurateion for suspend2disk? |
| 05:53.58 | aaaaaaaaaab | not 2ram |
| 05:53.58 | CrAZzY | kefalo, Both are empty files |
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| 05:55.31 | kefalo | crazzy, how did u install mplayer... manualy or with apt? |
| 05:55.50 | CrAZzY | with apt, i'm adding what you gave me now |
| 05:56.42 | CrAZzY | Still doesn't work |
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| 05:57.43 | kefalo | crazzy, can u give me command output |
| 05:57.52 | kefalo | crazzy, copy it |
| 05:58.02 | CrAZzY | You have it in a /msg |
| 05:58.39 | maximi89 | aaaaaaaaaab: i don't know notihng about tuxonice, because that need to modify the kernel... |
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| 05:58.56 | maximi89 | only with simplist files, pm-utils and uswsusp |
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| 05:59.26 | maximi89 | bye! |
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| 05:59.46 | aaaaaaaaaab | what is the difference between ... ok... forget it |
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| 06:01.30 | mischief6 | can anyone tell me what directory controls what is in the menu? |
| 06:01.42 | kefalo | crazzy, it seems to be related to nvidia drivers... |
| 06:02.30 | CrAZzY | kefalo, But I don't have the nvidia driver installed? |
| 06:02.30 | kefalo | crazzy, what debian version u use? |
| 06:02.36 | CrAZzY | lenny i386 |
| 06:03.07 | aaaaaaaaaab | aaaah i love apt+dpkg... its sooooo good! until there are problems.... but hey... i love it ^^ |
| 06:04.09 | aaaaaaaaaab | --get-selections on one pc... --set-selections on the other... and both are at the same state... just wow |
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| 06:05.12 | damog | ^_^ |
| 06:05.22 | twinkie_addict | i want to run denian but i want iether reiser4 or ext4 do i have to run sid for this ? |
| 06:05.40 | twinkie_addict | im curently in 5.0.1 |
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| 06:06.15 | kefalo | crazzy, sry dont know how to help u |
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| 06:06.50 | CrAZzY | kefalo, ok |
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| 06:11.08 | kyle_l5l | PingFloyd, ok, I added some things to the modules file, but now when I try to build the initramfs again, it's not including any of the kernel modules, even though it says "adding all modules in blah/bleh" |
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| 06:14.17 | Xunga | Aloha brotha |
| 06:14.18 | danborne | What is the name of the package that contains the fount "helvetica neue"? |
| 06:14.24 | Xunga | Heya stew brotha |
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| 06:45.08 | jaggz- | my iceweasel's youtube videos are messing up badly.. the audio is getting stuck and repeating .1 second of audio.. and it's jumping and the video is suddenly playing super fast.. what's going on? |
| 06:47.52 | liable | jaggz-: i get that too. killing and reopening weasel usually fixes it. been happening for ages for me |
| 06:48.24 | jaggz- | sucks.. I think it started happening after I put adobe's own flash update .deb in. |
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| 06:48.39 | blouf | btw, when downloading a file with iceweasel, in the download window, if i wanna open the directory containing the file, which apps should i use ? |
| 06:48.41 | jaggz- | I don't even know how to describe it to find an appropriate page for help on the web |
| 06:48.56 | blouf | i mean from the shortcut :p |
| 06:48.59 | blouf | anyone understand me ? :p |
| 06:49.01 | liable | jaggz-: doesnt matter, theres fuck all you can do about it :/ |
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| 06:49.29 | liable | blouf: from which shortcut? |
| 06:49.41 | liable | the firefox popup thing for downloads? |
| 06:49.51 | blouf | liable : right click on the file in the download windows, "open directory" |
| 06:50.01 | blouf | yeah that one .. |
| 06:50.25 | liable | dunno actually, depends on your DE i guess |
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| 06:50.37 | blouf | de = ? |
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| 06:51.05 | simonrvn | !de |
| 06:51.05 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 06:51.13 | simonrvn | bah |
| 06:51.19 | simonrvn | desktop environment |
| 06:51.29 | blouf | oh ok |
| 06:51.31 | blouf | thanks |
| 06:52.35 | blouf | and with apt |
| 06:52.41 | blouf | what is the super cow power ? |
| 06:53.00 | blouf | i hav it but dont know what is this :p |
| 06:53.46 | midkniht | nice |
| 06:53.50 | midkniht | means your pimpin |
| 06:53.59 | midkniht | apt-get moo |
| 06:54.30 | blouf | that's all ? just this ? |
| 06:54.51 | simonrvn | don't paste the cow here, you'll get kicked |
| 06:55.10 | blouf | yea don't care |
| 06:55.12 | midkniht | moo :( |
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| 06:57.35 | simonrvn | c0w |
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| 07:02.03 | jaggz- | yeah, fixed now |
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| 07:11.37 | kakalto | does anyone have mpdscribble working correctly? in my syslog I get "unknown response: FAILED Plugin bug: Not all request variables are set - Invalid Timestamp" |
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| 07:13.56 | jaggz- | what about my kde audio recording not working.. audacity uses alsa directly, and it records, but kde's sound system is set to 'autodetect' and doesn't work |
| 07:14.26 | CrAZzY | kefalo: I've "solved" my mplayer problem, I installed audacious and that works. |
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| 07:19.58 | xor | Hi there. |
| 07:21.44 | xor | I'm changing a few tc settings, and every once in a while they screw up my connection real good, enough that it locks me outside. Since I'm doing this remotely it's a problem. So I added a couple of sleeps and a reboot at the end of the script and run it inside a screen shell, so if something were to go wrong, the machine would eventually reboot. Well it isn't, does anyone have any idea why that might be? |
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| 07:24.26 | mischief6 | can anyone tell me how to build php with zend thread safety? |
| 07:25.16 | liable | xor: i guess your script didnt reach the reboot bit. |
| 07:25.56 | xor | That's funny because I placed the small piece of code to do the rebooting on a separate file, and by itself runs fine, I tested it. |
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| 07:26.13 | xor | And the stuff before it always runs up to the sleeps. |
| 07:26.17 | liable | its not funny because it didnt work ;) |
| 07:26.26 | xor | I know this because I added some echos to signal the sleeps. |
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| 07:26.49 | xor | It's weird. |
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| 07:27.41 | blouf_ | anyone here now, how to do to modify the login prompt .. i meant ... at startup before showing the login i want the screen to be cleared |
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| 07:27.58 | blouf_ | anyone here now, how to do to modify the login prompt .. i meant ... at startup before showing the login i want the screen to be cleared |
| 07:28.20 | blouf_ | don't wanna see the startup msg anymore |
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| 07:28.37 | dondelelcaro | blouf_: which startup message? the message of the day? or the issue? |
| 07:28.47 | blouf_ | dondelelcaro: the issue |
| 07:28.57 | dondelelcaro | blouf_: then edit /etc/issue |
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| 07:29.44 | blouf_ | dondelelcaro: is it possible to add a "clear" in this file ? |
| 07:30.03 | blouf_ | dondelelcaro: or it's taken as plain text ? |
| 07:30.04 | dondelelcaro | blouf_: that's done before it's output by agetty or similar |
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| 07:30.51 | blouf_ | dondelelcaro: well not here ... ive set a clear when loggin out, but when booting, still see message, then the prompt, no clear |
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| 07:32.01 | dondelelcaro | blouf_: it's not done by default, but can be done by use of the -I option or similar. |
| 07:32.05 | dondelelcaro | blouf_: why does it matter, though? |
| 07:32.20 | blouf_ | dondelelcaro: -I option, with what ? |
| 07:32.26 | dondelelcaro | blouf_: man agetty |
| 07:32.48 | dondelelcaro | the option you specify depends on the shell you're using; often -I"$(clear)" or similar would do it |
| 07:33.24 | blouf_ | dondelelcaro: so in the issue file, i add -I"$(clear)" ? |
| 07:33.38 | dondelelcaro | blouf_: clearly not. man agetty, and read about the -I option |
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| 07:35.15 | blouf_ | dondelelcaro: thanks, will read it |
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| 07:35.47 | blouf_ | another problem, i was doing an svn but i lost connection, now i can't get it back because it's locked, even when using svn cleanup, any idea ? |
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| 07:38.02 | blouf_ | ok done it |
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| 07:41.42 | dondelelcaro | blouf_: svn update; will update it. If it says it's locked, cleanup should clean up the locks. If there's still a problem, move away the locked directory, and update. |
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| 07:44.36 | blouf_ | dondelelcaro: that's ok thanks |
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| 07:46.09 | debug767 | ola:) |
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| 07:54.29 | enouf | !dpkg wb |
| 07:54.29 | dpkg | thanks, enouf. It's good to be back. |
| 07:54.33 | enouf | omfg ... |
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| 07:55.20 | enouf | someone would like to help me? I seem to have completely broken my system - i mean, i cannot even login - the keyboard will not output any lettters |
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| 07:56.54 | SerajewelKS | enouf: sounds fun. can you ssh at all? or is this a hardware issue? (e.g. can you enter the BIOS?) |
| 07:57.11 | enouf | SerajewelKS: not hardware = definitely not - thanks |
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| 07:57.26 | enouf | SerajewelKS: it's the bootup - i boot all the way into the login prompt |
| 07:57.54 | mefiX | where can i find the debian-xen-kernel-images (.deb-packages)? i want to install them under ubuntu jaunty server |
| 07:58.07 | SerajewelKS | enouf: if the box is on a network can you ssh to it from another box? |
| 07:58.10 | enouf | then i get the prompt and BAM, nothing i press on the keyboard does anything at all - the NumPad actually spits out numbers |
| 07:58.48 | enouf | and the F1-F13 keys kick out ctrl codes |
| 07:59.03 | SerajewelKS | enouf: try sshing to it then and dpkg-reconfigure console-codes |
| 07:59.06 | enouf | SerajewelKS: hrm .. well, i could eventually hook one up |
| 07:59.12 | SerajewelKS | best guess says the keymap is borked? |
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| 07:59.16 | enouf | yeah - that seems like it |
| 07:59.17 | SerajewelKS | erm |
| 07:59.27 | SerajewelKS | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 07:59.31 | SerajewelKS | (i think) |
| 07:59.38 | enouf | SerajewelKS: yeah, i'm familiar with all of them |
| 07:59.42 | enouf | console-setup etc |
| 07:59.48 | SerajewelKS | ah k :) |
| 07:59.49 | shardz | Why is vim syntax highlighting really ugly on debian, and how can I improve it? |
| 08:00.08 | SerajewelKS | it's ugly? |
| 08:00.15 | shardz | Not much is highlighted. |
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| 08:00.19 | enouf | SerajewelKS: it all started with FUCKEN STUPID console-kit-daemon running 5000 processes in a ps aux output |
| 08:00.27 | SerajewelKS | shardz: tried :syntax on yet? |
| 08:00.32 | enouf | i had to keep pkilling it - got sick and tired |
| 08:00.47 | shardz | SerajewelKS: I said it was ugly, not missing. |
| 08:00.54 | shardz | So, yes. :) |
| 08:00.58 | enouf | apt-get --purged removed it, and it took ALL OF Xorg, HAL, and other things |
| 08:00.59 | SerajewelKS | enouf: weird. never used it myself. |
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| 08:01.07 | SerajewelKS | enouf: haha oops |
| 08:01.07 | mischief6 | enouf, yeah, console-kit-daemon is highly bothersome |
| 08:01.17 | enouf | mischief6: no it's worse than that |
| 08:01.25 | SerajewelKS | shardz: until you define "ugly" and "not ugly" then i can't really help |
| 08:01.38 | shardz | Well, it highlights maybe two types of words. |
| 08:01.44 | enouf | i am going to drag it out back - beat the fucken shit out of it - then stab it - then shoot it - then eat it |
| 08:01.48 | SerajewelKS | shardz: my experience is that the color scheme used by debian's vim is the same as other distros |
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| 08:02.14 | SerajewelKS | shardz: or it at least largely the same as upstream |
| 08:02.23 | shardz | Not the case here; normally it's fine on arch and openbsd, but on debian it's all wonky; I tried switching colourschemes, but it just chanes the colours, not what's being highlighted. |
| 08:02.28 | SerajewelKS | shardz: so again, until you define what you want to be different or what you don't like, you are not going to get much help |
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| 08:02.33 | enouf | SerajewelKS: thing is - i'm on a knoppix livecd atm, have / mounted , and can easily edit all my files ... |
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| 08:02.47 | SerajewelKS | shardz: a screenshot would help |
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| 08:02.52 | shardz | Sure. |
| 08:03.06 | Eulex | shardz, colourschemes are about colors, not about the highlighting rules. |
| 08:03.06 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i cannot FIND THE FUCKEN /etc/init.d/ nor even correct /etc/rcS.d/ symlinks |
| 08:03.08 | SerajewelKS | shardz: a shot of what you see and what you want would be helpfun |
| 08:03.19 | SerajewelKS | enouf: oh that doesn't sound good |
| 08:03.25 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i disabled console-setup through rcconf |
| 08:03.25 | SerajewelKS | enouf: is base-files gone or something? |
| 08:03.37 | Eulex | shardz, also, highlighting rules are language-specific. |
| 08:03.42 | enouf | and i have hno idea how to reenable it |
| 08:03.54 | enouf | i can't find the file responsible! |
| 08:04.16 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i guess i'd have to chroot to find out |
| 08:04.39 | simonrvn | enouf: /etc/rcS.d/S49console-setup -> ../init.d/console-setup |
| 08:04.42 | SerajewelKS | enouf: if you chroot can you check if sysv-rc is installed? |
| 08:04.57 | enouf | yeah - i used to have that |
| 08:05.00 | simonrvn | console-setup package |
| 08:05.13 | shardz | Eulex: Yeah. |
| 08:05.13 | enouf | but i'd have to chrrot to install it |
| 08:05.13 | SerajewelKS | enouf: if you don't now then that explains it... |
| 08:05.22 | shardz | It seems lacking both in perl and c. |
| 08:05.30 | shardz | Lemme dig around for an old screenshot while imagemagick installs. |
| 08:05.42 | enouf | SerajewelKS: there's just WAY too many things to explain and you guys type way too faast |
| 08:05.48 | SerajewelKS | enouf: haha |
| 08:05.53 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:05.55 | enouf | and i'm so pissed i might just wipe this fucker |
| 08:05.57 | SerajewelKS | enouf: sounds like it took most of your system with it though :) |
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| 08:06.10 | enouf | thanks guys |
| 08:06.18 | enouf | it did SerajewelKS |
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| 08:06.45 | SerajewelKS | enouf: honestly if there's no data you need i would go with a wipe |
| 08:06.50 | debug767 | :) |
| 08:06.52 | SerajewelKS | enouf: it sounds pretty well fubar'd |
| 08:06.54 | simonrvn | so you did --purge consolekit-daemonwhatever and it wiped your box? holy crap |
| 08:06.57 | enouf | SerajewelKS: but there is |
| 08:07.03 | enouf | and i'm still considering it |
| 08:07.05 | SerajewelKS | enouf: can you tar it up first? :) |
| 08:07.25 | enouf | i will use windows xp ... seriously - you cannot allow THIS KIND of breakage to occur |
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| 08:07.31 | simonrvn | gets the pail of tarball and feathers ready |
| 08:07.54 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i also have amy old / FS with all dirs/ on another old HDD |
| 08:08.01 | SerajewelKS | well sysv-rc is "required" so if apt removed it i would consider that a pretty serious bug |
| 08:08.08 | enouf | no it's not |
| 08:08.15 | enouf | rcconf does much better |
| 08:08.27 | enouf | i'm thinking of sysv-rc-conf perhaps |
| 08:08.28 | simonrvn | i'm sure he had to type something to do that. |
| 08:08.43 | simonrvn | sysv-rc not sysv-rc-conf |
| 08:08.44 | SerajewelKS | enouf: sysv-rc is the sysv initscript core package |
| 08:08.46 | enouf | ok .. give me some minutes guys |
| 08:08.50 | enouf | thank you |
| 08:08.51 | SerajewelKS | enouf: if you remove sysv-rc you get no boot |
| 08:08.59 | enouf | it boots fine |
| 08:09.02 | SerajewelKS | or no useful boot i guess |
| 08:09.06 | enouf | all the way to login |
| 08:09.11 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 08:09.15 | SerajewelKS | and yet you have no /etc/init.d? |
| 08:09.17 | simonrvn | sysvinit is init |
| 08:09.23 | enouf | i just cannot type anything - in none of the TTYs |
| 08:09.36 | shardz | Eh, the perl looks fine, but c seems lacking to me. I'll just leave it as is, I guess. |
| 08:09.41 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i have all my /etc/init.d/ |
| 08:09.45 | enouf | files |
| 08:09.53 | SerajewelKS | enouf: oh a bit ago i thought you said you could not find it |
| 08:09.56 | enouf | and the /etc/rc?d/ symmlinks |
| 08:10.08 | enouf | i cannot FIND the correct one to alter from KNN to SNN |
| 08:10.12 | claint | does your logs say anything? |
| 08:10.17 | enouf | that only rcconf altered |
| 08:10.22 | SerajewelKS | enouf: ahh |
| 08:10.26 | enouf | mount-bootclean.sh or someshit |
| 08:10.42 | simonrvn | enouf: rcconf might have somethig in /var/lib to look at |
| 08:10.49 | simonrvn | *thing |
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| 08:11.07 | SerajewelKS | you could always try running rcconf from in a chroot... |
| 08:11.10 | enouf | because everything points to /etc/*/S{K}NNbootclean.sh which seeems to not exist anymore in the entire diostro |
| 08:11.21 | SerajewelKS | assuming you can symlink all the X sockets crap in |
| 08:11.22 | enouf | SerajewelKS: bingo |
| 08:11.25 | enouf | let me try |
| 08:11.25 | simonrvn | /etc/init.d/mountall-bootclean.sh (sid) |
| 08:11.34 | enouf | simonrvn: yes - all sid here |
| 08:11.47 | enouf | simonrvn: but that one IS SNN |
| 08:11.47 | simonrvn | bootclean.sh was removed ... |
| 08:11.58 | enouf | in rcS.d/ and wherever it is |
| 08:12.00 | SerajewelKS | enouf: haha you're going to switch to xp because sid fucked up? haha. that's a good joke. :) |
| 08:12.10 | simonrvn | /etc/rcS.d/S36mountall-bootclean.sh -> ../init.d/mountall-bootclean.sh |
| 08:12.14 | claint | yeah i was just thinking about that as well |
| 08:12.16 | enouf | SerajewelKS: no - it fucked up geyond disrepair :-) |
| 08:12.32 | enouf | SerajewelKS: you cannot allow a system to so horribly break |
| 08:12.34 | simonrvn | /etc/rcS.d/S55bootmisc.sh -> ../init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 08:12.37 | SerajewelKS | enouf: yeah well sid burns toys too :) |
| 08:12.42 | enouf | SerajewelKS: the riginal issue was upgrading broke X |
| 08:12.50 | enouf | from there it all went downhill |
| 08:12.51 | claint | it is sid. it is named after the kid who _breaks_ toys. |
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| 08:13.21 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.32 | SerajewelKS | tapes enouf to a rocket |
| 08:13.42 | simonrvn | knows how enouf feels |
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| 08:13.45 | enouf | however - it removed Konq and i had all these mail Profiles stored i wanted to use |
| 08:13.52 | enouf | and i wanted them back@ |
| 08:14.04 | SerajewelKS | enouf: well, i hope i was somewhat helpful. it's bedtime though, hopefully simonrvn can assist. |
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| 08:14.27 | enouf | SerajewelKS: thanks - let me try something - simonrvn thanks too - i'll be around |
| 08:14.35 | liable | !comfort enouf |
| 08:14.35 | dpkg | There, there, enouf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 08:14.49 | owen1 | i try to change my xterm fonts by editing .Xdefaults, but it's not working. what am i missing? |
| 08:14.51 | SerajewelKS | enouf: if you do manage to fix it feel free to PM me the solution, now i'm curious :) |
| 08:14.57 | simonrvn | i'll keep an eye out here... liable's around too |
| 08:15.00 | enouf | liable: did you get my earlier message? about systemsettings? |
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| 08:15.12 | liable | are you having the no input thing for xorg? |
| 08:15.24 | enouf | liable: no - no input at login TTY |
| 08:15.28 | liable | enouf: nope |
| 08:15.31 | simonrvn | however, i got a kernel update, need to reboot |
| 08:15.34 | enouf | liable: no Alpha keys work |
| 08:15.39 | enouf | the NumLock DOES |
| 08:15.45 | SerajewelKS | ah speaking of kernel |
| 08:15.46 | liable | what are alpha keys? |
| 08:15.47 | enouf | and F keys |
| 08:15.52 | enouf | LETTERS |
| 08:15.56 | liable | oh |
| 08:16.00 | enouf | abcdefghijk...... |
| 08:16.00 | simonrvn | bbiab |
| 08:16.04 | SerajewelKS | on 2.6.29, if my laptop is unplugged then i have to hold a key on the keyboard to get it to boot |
| 08:16.11 | liable | enouf: so without x? |
| 08:16.15 | SerajewelKS | if i plug it in then it boots fine |
| 08:16.25 | SerajewelKS | had this problem since .28-.29 |
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| 08:16.37 | SerajewelKS | i don't suppose anyone has any revelations on this matter |
| 08:16.38 | claint | SerajewelKS: did you bug report it? |
| 08:16.54 | SerajewelKS | claint: i sent a mail to lkml sometime ago and it went largely ignored |
| 08:17.02 | liable | my caps lock key has been opposite lately too. fun and games |
| 08:17.03 | SerajewelKS | got one response that didn't solve it |
| 08:17.06 | enouf | i've not even started with how horrible this keyboard - sometimes even the NumPad does NOT wrok at all .. In X not in X etc .. it's so fucken weird |
| 08:17.20 | enouf | BTW - i even plugged in another USB keyboard - same behaviour |
| 08:17.27 | FunctorSalad | am I understanding correctly that kde 4 now has higher priority than kde 3 in testing? |
| 08:17.37 | enouf | FunctorSalad: stay away |
| 08:17.40 | enouf | trsut me |
| 08:17.41 | SerajewelKS | enouf: have you tried booting single-user mode yet and fixing it there? |
| 08:17.45 | enouf | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 08:17.49 | enouf | same |
| 08:17.52 | SerajewelKS | huh |
| 08:17.55 | liable | bah, live life on the edge |
| 08:17.56 | enouf | SerajewelKS: indeed |
| 08:17.57 | owen1 | i try this: xterm -fa DejaVuSansMono -fs 12 but it doesn't change my fonts. any ideas? |
| 08:17.57 | claint | enouf: did you plug it in a different USB port as well? |
| 08:18.11 | SerajewelKS | enouf: you sir have one royally fucked box |
| 08:18.12 | enouf | claint: my main one is ps/2 |
| 08:18.17 | enouf | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 08:18.54 | enouf | guys this IRSSI default is not highlighting my nick - let me do some things - i'll be back -0 thanks |
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| 08:19.09 | Eulex | owen1, that works here, tho I'd try "DejaVu Sans Mono" |
| 08:19.16 | enouf | ok chroot success - let's see |
| 08:19.21 | owen1 | Eulex: ok. let me try |
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| 08:21.07 | owen1 | Eulex: didn't work either. |
| 08:21.21 | Eulex | owen1, is the font installed? |
| 08:21.29 | enouf | ok - i ran rcconf successfully - let's see what happens ... ugh - i'm going to lose all these knoppix things in case i need to come back - maybe i';ll do the persistent home and myconfig=/dev/hdc1 blah |
| 08:21.33 | claint | owen1: try the font string from xfontsel program |
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| 08:22.11 | owen1 | Eulex: i see it in xfontsel. |
| 08:22.12 | owen1 | claint: ok |
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| 08:23.40 | Selveste1_ | Hey to all :) - is the bttracker deb taken out of lenny ? |
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| 08:24.20 | enouf | ok - i'll be back guys -- THANK YOU again for even being here - i was about to literally start smashing shit |
| 08:24.30 | enouf | exit |
| 08:24.36 | enouf | duh |
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| 08:24.53 | fantomas | hiall |
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| 08:25.25 | fantomas | Which software can be used to edit/sync address book of a mobile phone (like Motorola L7e) |
| 08:25.29 | fantomas | ? |
| 08:25.53 | owen1 | claint: i tried this: xterm -fn '-*-dejavu sans mono-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*' but still no change.. |
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| 08:28.40 | claint | i just tried xterm -fn "-*-dejavu sans mono-medium-r-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" and it did work |
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| 08:29.06 | iateadonut | how do you make an alert box for X from the command line |
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| 08:29.16 | owen1 | claint: let me try your line. |
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| 08:29.39 | konr | I found out the sysadmins of my server set it as debian sid... can I safely reverse to stable by changing the /etc/apt/sources file and syncing? |
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| 08:30.23 | enouf | hahaha |
| 08:30.31 | enouf | HERE I AM! |
| 08:30.32 | simonrvn | got it? |
| 08:30.34 | owen1 | claint: didn't work. i'll try to delete .Xdefaults. |
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| 08:32.55 | claint | iateadonut: you mean like xmessage? |
| 08:33.49 | iateadonut | yes |
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| 08:34.23 | iateadonut | thanks. |
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| 08:34.41 | claint | konr: reinstalling stable might be faster. |
| 08:35.05 | claint | iateadonut: apropos message | grep window |
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| 08:35.13 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
| 08:36.10 | iateadonut | thanks. |
| 08:36.25 | iateadonut | i really appreciate your showing me the apropos command - it's one i haven't really used yet. |
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| 08:36.55 | iateadonut | i noticed my eyesight is going, though, so i need to put an xmessage every hour that says, 'rest your eyes' |
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| 08:37.05 | claint | try workrave |
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| 08:37.30 | enouf_ | Hola |
| 08:37.34 | enouf_ | ffs |
| 08:37.40 | enouf_ | 30 second login time |
| 08:38.23 | enouf_ | SerajewelKS: simonrvn liable et al - FIXED! re-enabling console-setup through rcconf from within the chroot atleast got me back to the working TTYs |
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| 08:40.20 | enouf | now - do you really understand the Hal depends on that CRAP FUCKEN GARBAGE called console-kit-daemon (consolekit pkg) which has like 5000000000000000000000 processes running in ps / pstree ? |
| 08:40.26 | claint | iateadonut: although it might be distractive a bit, you can set your times with workrave. it does what you want. |
| 08:40.38 | enouf | and X requires Hal ... and all this policykit CRAPO |
| 08:40.51 | iateadonut | yeah. i'm checking it out now. |
| 08:40.56 | iateadonut | i'll see how it goes. |
| 08:41.11 | iateadonut | there's got to be a 10 second work around though, right? to start your computer back up. |
| 08:41.21 | fantomas | How to know USB port to which a mobile phone is connected to? |
| 08:41.30 | joltcan | fantomas: dmesg |
| 08:41.45 | fantomas | joltcan: nothing there - only mounting |
| 08:41.48 | iateadonut | anyway, installing now. i'll take a look. |
| 08:42.00 | iateadonut | i thought kalarm used too much resources. i was going to xmessage in crontab |
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| 08:42.38 | joltcan | fantomas: On some nokias you have to specify which mode to put the phone in before it even identifies as serial. Maybe thats something you have to do with your phone as well? |
| 08:43.11 | joltcan | fantomas: or have a look at /dev/ttyUSBX |
| 08:43.54 | konr | Is there a way to mount a remote HD and require a password or something to do that? |
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| 08:44.32 | fantomas | joltcan: this is what I see in logs: http://pastebin.ca/1426215 |
| 08:44.46 | Azrael_- | if i use less and want to send a command i get the text "ESCOM" every time i hit enter. how can this be? |
| 08:45.17 | joltcan | fantomas: Looks more like your phone becomes USB storage? |
| 08:45.50 | joltcan | fantomas: are you going to copy files to/from it? |
| 08:46.03 | claint | konr: you mean mount a remote HD or remote filesystem? |
| 08:46.03 | fantomas | joltcan: yes, and now I want to get more :) I'm configuring wammu and it wants all this data like port number |
| 08:46.09 | aprendiz001 | I have upgraded from etch to lenny. In the server I had, among things, bind for local purpose |
| 08:46.24 | fantomas | joltcan: no, I want to edit/sync contacts and maybe something more |
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| 08:46.30 | aprendiz001 | and now it doesn't work for output domains |
| 08:46.35 | fantomas | joltcan: file copying works fine |
| 08:46.46 | aprendiz001 | in the dig appear ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 17157 |
| 08:46.51 | aprendiz001 | anyone can help me? |
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| 08:46.59 | fluxdude | anyone here used debian preseeding? I am trying to pass auto url=http://servername/preseed.cfg but it's not working, the installer has just asked me for the language... |
| 08:47.00 | joltcan | fantomas: is there a /dev/tty/ttyUSBX? where X is a number |
| 08:47.25 | simonrvn | enouf: nice to hear it worky :) |
| 08:47.29 | joltcan | aprendiz001: Well, the REFUSED makes it sounds like the server rejects your query |
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| 08:48.01 | simonrvn | aprendiz001: allow your local systems to query it... *HINT* BIND9ARM |
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| 08:48.34 | fantomas | joltcan: no, I don't see such files. To say truth I don't see /dev/tty dir. If this matters - I'm on Ubuntu 9.04 :) (I hate #ubuntu) |
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| 08:48.51 | simonrvn | we don't care if you do or not |
| 08:49.05 | aprendiz001 | simonrvn, what do you mean? |
| 08:49.06 | simonrvn | #ubuntu is where you should be... |
| 08:49.20 | simonrvn | aprendiz001: go do some reading |
| 08:49.22 | fantomas | simonrvn: should? |
| 08:49.47 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 08:49.50 | aprendiz001 | simonrvn, but before the upgrade was working fine |
| 08:49.51 | joltcan | fantomas: Well, is there /dev/ttyUSBX then? |
| 08:50.21 | joltcan | aprendiz001: Well, the config file was probably upgraded as well then |
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| 08:51.10 | fantomas | joltcan: no. There are only /dev/ttyXX. Looks like usb serial doesn't work? |
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| 08:51.19 | fantomas | or not loaded |
| 08:51.40 | joltcan | fantomas: Might be. You probably need to google more :) Sorry, can't help you |
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| 08:52.14 | simonrvn | wonders wtf would be sucking up all his system's entropy... |
| 08:52.38 | fantomas | joltcan: thank you anyway. Now I see something is wrong ) |
| 08:52.39 | claint | you got something thats sucks entropy? i want..... |
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| 08:53.25 | simonrvn | sysctl kernel.random.entropy_avail |
| 08:53.26 | simonrvn | kernel.random.entropy_avail = 145 |
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| 08:54.25 | fantomas | simonrvn: and you... you.. why you tell me where should I go? I've been visiting this channel for about 8 years since I'm mostly debian user. And I'm really dislike #ubuntu since never got any help there. That is why I'm gonna stay here and won't take 'advices' to move ) |
| 08:54.35 | simonrvn | aprendiz001: specifically, the acls section, look for allow-query too (aptitude install bind9-doc) |
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| 08:55.06 | konr | can I require a password for a nfs client to connect to my server? I don't want my neighbors mounting my directories, for example |
| 08:55.13 | aprendiz001 | simonrvn, thanks, I will read that |
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| 08:56.08 | joltcan | konr: edit your exports file and just have the valid IPs in there? |
| 08:56.43 | fantomas | simonrvn: (btw, in past you helped me many times so... I can't live without you and others ;-) |
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| 08:57.00 | joltcan | konr: you could also use nfsv4 and kerberos, but that takes it to a whole other complexity level |
| 08:57.17 | joltcan | simonrvn: I think fantomas is proposing to you! |
| 08:57.22 | joltcan | ;) |
| 08:57.45 | kkaefer|afk | I'm trying to install sudo in lenny, but I get "E: Package sudo has no installation candidate" |
| 08:57.58 | kkaefer|afk | I'm performing the apt-get as root |
| 08:58.02 | kkaefer|afk | what am I doing wrong? |
| 08:58.17 | simonrvn | i have him/her on /ignore |
| 08:58.58 | kkaefer|afk | ah sorry, had the first two lines commented out in the sources.list |
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| 09:01.02 | fantomas | Why he said him/her but not her/him? this is offensive! :) |
| 09:01.04 | aprendiz001 | simonrvn, I was checking about acl, in named.conf.local => acl "allow-query" { any;}; |
| 09:01.12 | aprendiz001 | that looks like fine |
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| 09:02.03 | konr | joltcan: hmmm, can I limit the clients by the MAC address? The IP of the client is going to be dynamic :( |
| 09:02.12 | joltcan | konr: nope |
| 09:02.24 | joltcan | konr: Use openvpn |
| 09:02.26 | simonrvn | aprendiz001: i wouldn't do that unless it's running local only. |
| 09:02.42 | aprendiz001 | yes, it is for locally |
| 09:02.49 | aprendiz001 | and that works fine |
| 09:03.00 | aprendiz001 | only for internet address is going bad |
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| 09:04.28 | joltcan | konr: So, either use a vpn instead (safer and you don't have to think about the IP security), or look into the "sec=" option of nfs to use kerberos. Last option is really complex if you don't have an experience of Kerberos |
| 09:05.38 | claint | or you can go with another filesystem, like AFS or something. |
| 09:05.53 | claint | *networked filesystem solution |
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| 09:06.13 | joltcan | IMHO, go the VPN route, then you can use any filesystem you like |
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| 09:06.50 | joltcan | konr: btw, I have had a really good experience with sshfs (via FUSE). Will of course depend on your application if its good enough or not |
| 09:07.38 | konr | joltcan: hmmm, how do sshfs and a vpn compare? |
| 09:08.02 | joltcan | konr: sshfs just requires a ssh account on the server and sshfs to be installed on the client |
| 09:08.29 | claint | yeah if you just want to get your files over, sshfs is good. but it will be slow for heavy load work. |
| 09:08.53 | joltcan | konr: while a vpn requires some more fiddling with the server and client. It really depends on what you wanna use it for |
| 09:09.04 | claint | even nfs is slow.... |
| 09:09.27 | yareckon | hi kids, I was wondering if anyone could point me to the right place for integrating a shell script into nautilus' unmount command for a particular drive (i.e. I would like to trigger a script when I tell nautilus to unmount my ipod) |
| 09:09.28 | joltcan | I use sshfs to stream avi files to my xbmc box, and that works fine |
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| 09:11.25 | claint | joltcan: yeah. I mount vserver images that reside somewhere else on the local network, and make that vserver run on any machine I want. nfs is slow for that, so use NBD, since the network is under my control. |
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| 09:13.03 | claint | and gigabit network of course. |
| 09:14.23 | joltcan | claint: Well, it doesn't look like konr had full control over the transport network |
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| 09:16.23 | claint | joltcan: you stream to your xmbc box? how big a quality? |
| 09:19.30 | joltcan | claint: both 300 and 1,2GB series, divx and h264 |
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| 09:19.56 | claint | one of my friends has a media box like that. he has real big wall in his living room, the box is connected to a HD projector, it constantly downloads only high definition movies from usenet. It is a like a movie theater with highdef movie. |
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| 09:22.17 | claint | I think he connected wii controllers to remote control it as well. nice hack. |
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| 09:29.02 | petemc | joltcan: presumably you're not running xbmc on a xbox |
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| 09:29.43 | joltcan | petemc: Well, I did, but then I mounted sshfs on my linuxgw and ran smb to that one |
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| 09:38.52 | enouf | welp - i guess it's not entirely a broken X in sid, because Openbox is working (though it's odd not having a taskbar to minimize windows to), and resizing can be tough even ... wow - my kbd repeat rate suddenly sucks .. oh ffs |
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| 09:39.14 | aprendiz001 | simonrvn, the queris from the servers in the same network that bind server is, they are workin fine |
| 09:39.25 | blouf | is it possible to use apt/aptitude to dl package which name is inna a txt file ? |
| 09:39.25 | aprendiz001 | how can I get access for the others nets? |
| 09:39.48 | aprendiz001 | in the previous versions(in etch) the problem didn't exist |
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| 09:39.58 | enouf | needs a serious rest now ... |
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| 09:41.23 | blouf | is it possible to use apt/aptitude to dl package which name is inna a txt file ? |
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| 09:41.58 | jelly | blouf: you have a package name like foo-1.2-1_all.deb, or just foo ? |
| 09:42.29 | blouf | jelly : 'foo' the name aptitude use |
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| 09:42.45 | blouf | jelly : i wanna have something apt-get install < myliste.txt |
| 09:43.08 | blouf | well |
| 09:43.12 | jelly | blouf: aptitude install $(cat myliste.txt) |
| 09:43.17 | blouf | maybe it can work lol |
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| 09:43.36 | blouf | jelly: thanks, the command i used not good ? with < myliste.txt |
| 09:43.36 | jelly | blouf: but that will try to install, not just download |
| 09:43.46 | Selveste1 | going to install Debian on my last windows client now :) |
| 09:43.47 | blouf | yeah that's ok |
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| 09:45.38 | PepperBob | hi guys |
| 09:45.46 | PepperBob | anyone working on HP Proliant? |
| 09:45.56 | blouf | jelly: syntax error unexpected ( token |
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| 09:48.54 | kronic | I have an issue with 2.6.26 and iwl3945, modprobe doesn't load the module, only insmod <path> works, even if I add it to /etc/modules |
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| 09:49.15 | sunta | hi guys |
| 09:50.34 | blouf | is it possible to use apt/aptitude to dl package which name is inna a txt file ? |
| 09:50.35 | sunta | my /var/lib/dpkg crashed. now I get "dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available'" |
| 09:50.43 | sunta | can anyone tell me how I rebuild that |
| 09:51.57 | liable | sunta: man dpkg, see --update-avail |
| 09:52.13 | aprendiz001 | anyone can help me with a bind9 problem? I have upgraded from etch to lenny and now I have problems with some networks to query outside domains .. |
| 09:52.22 | sunta | thx liable |
| 09:52.50 | sunta | aprendiz001, check options allow-query allow-recursion |
| 09:53.03 | sunta | aprendiz001, bind9 seems not to parse all ACL correct |
| 09:53.43 | aprendiz001 | is it a bug? |
| 09:54.10 | blouf | jelly: thats ok thanx ... |
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| 10:00.36 | jelly | PepperBob: ask your real question. |
| 10:00.40 | claint | blouf: there is a download only flag in aptitude. |
| 10:01.03 | blouf | that's ok ... i use a wrong syntax, now it work |
| 10:01.07 | PepperBob | well, we did some hardware maintenance and after rebooting hpasmd is not running anymore |
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| 10:01.40 | PepperBob | on the server itself we had not kernel changes - so it's basically the same as before reboot |
| 10:01.43 | jelly | PepperBob: upgraded the kernel perhaps? |
| 10:02.06 | jelly | ... I'm not sure hpasm uses kernel modules, though |
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| 10:04.06 | PepperBob | mh.. for some reason hp-openipmi cannot be compiled |
| 10:06.03 | PepperBob | probably the issue appeared between some security updates |
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| 10:07.14 | jelly | PepperBob: the relevant kernel headers are, I assume, installed? |
| 10:07.34 | PepperBob | yes linux-headers are in place - we are on 2.6.22-4-k7 |
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| 10:08.33 | liable | 2.6.22 is a kernel thats in between releases, why are you using it? |
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| 10:09.05 | Peanut | I've got a machine with two Yukon-EC network cards, sky2 driver. Every few weeks it panics in the sky2 driver and hangs, which is really annoying. I've recently upgraded the machine to Lenny because that kernel version should have a better sky2 driver, but it hung again this weekend - any suggestions? |
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| 10:09.53 | petemc | Peanut: network cards are very cheap |
| 10:09.57 | liable | Peanut: filing a bug is about the only suggestion we can make for that sort of thing |
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| 10:10.17 | Peanut | petemc: true, but the machine is 1U and doesn't have much room. |
| 10:11.07 | liable | and if you file a bug at kernel.org, you can gaurentee the answer is to use the latest kernel.. |
| 10:11.07 | PepperBob | liable: running debian etch with latest patches - actually it ran before. what's the matter with it? |
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| 10:11.47 | liable | PepperBob: erm, even etch backports was 2.6.24 iirc |
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| 10:14.20 | mefiX | how can i re-create a debian package that was previously extracted? |
| 10:14.32 | mefiX | (extracted with dpkg-deb -x) |
| 10:14.41 | petemc | debuild ? |
| 10:14.46 | sunta | dpkg-repack? |
| 10:15.42 | mefiX | thx |
| 10:15.45 | PepperBob | liable: oh - you're right |
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| 10:16.55 | PepperBob | it's 2.6.26 |
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| 10:17.11 | mefiX | sunta: does it only work when the desired package is installed? |
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| 10:17.26 | mefiX | sunta: i extracted some certain package on a non-debian machine |
| 10:17.53 | sunta | puh. i never work on non debian. sorry |
| 10:18.26 | fluxdude | does anyone here use local apt-proxies? |
| 10:19.02 | sunta | fluxdude, I user apt-cacher-ng. only that worked for me |
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| 10:19.55 | Peanut | fluxdude: I do |
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| 10:20.13 | fluxdude | Peanut: which one do you use, how should I know which software to pick?> |
| 10:20.37 | fluxdude | sunta: thx will look at it |
| 10:20.48 | fluxdude | apt-proxy, Apt-cacher, apt-cacher-ng, apt-mirror are my choices so far... |
| 10:20.54 | Peanut | I'm using apt-cacher (1.6.4) as shipped with Debian and it works great for me. |
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| 10:21.58 | Peanut | fluxdude: I looked at a few, googled them a bit, and settled on that one, hasn't given me trouble so haven't looked at the others. |
| 10:22.09 | sunta | apt-cacher-ng |
| 10:22.32 | sunta | rest wont work satisfying |
| 10:22.51 | streuner_ | judd, versions bash |
| 10:22.52 | judd | streuner_: bash -- etch: 3.1dfsg-8 lenny: 3.2-4 sid: 3.2-5 squeeze: 3.2-5 experimental: 4.0-2 |
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| 10:26.33 | oxi | can anyone think of an easy command to backup everything in / to a file? |
| 10:26.57 | blouf | a file like an iso ? |
| 10:26.59 | oxi | I tried tar, but the process stops on some files I lack permissions |
| 10:27.17 | oxi | blouf: I don't care what type, as long as it works :-) |
| 10:27.36 | oxi | I also tried the switch: tar -cfz --ignore-failed-read |
| 10:28.02 | oxi | tar somehow interrupts at some files I don't where I don't have permissions |
| 10:28.10 | blouf | if it's for reuse u'd better make an iso ... |
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| 10:29.00 | oxi | blouf: ok. I'd be fine with an iso, if I figure out a command to backup everything that I have read permissions |
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| 10:29.27 | oxi | the tar command stops for example: tar: /etc/iptables.sh-stateless: Warning: Cannot open: Permission denied |
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| 10:29.51 | blouf | makin' it when root ? |
| 10:30.01 | oxi | blouf: no, I can't |
| 10:30.08 | oxi | it's a shell account |
| 10:30.19 | oxi | that's the trouble |
| 10:30.49 | blouf | LOL |
| 10:30.59 | oxi | blouf: yeah? |
| 10:31.22 | blouf | he wanna save the root of his shell account :~) |
| 10:32.24 | oxi | exaclty, just everything accessible |
| 10:32.28 | oxi | why not |
| 10:32.30 | oxi | I'm migrating the stuff to a vps |
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| 10:34.12 | oxi | and the admin installed many custom packages for me. So I'd like to backup everything from within the root which is accessible for archiving, so that I can still find out about the configuration if I need to some time in the future |
| 10:34.16 | oxi | space is not an issue |
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| 10:36.21 | claint | oxi: i just joined, so I am asking.... do you need a list of packages on your system or something? |
| 10:36.40 | oxi | claint: not really, thanks |
| 10:36.44 | themill | oxi: if you want to read all files, you're going to need root access. |
| 10:36.57 | oxi | I'd like to find a simple way to backup everything acessible to a file |
| 10:37.12 | oxi | themill: yeah, I'm aware of that. |
| 10:37.55 | oxi | themill: however, backing up everything I had access to with my shell account is perfectly enough |
| 10:38.23 | oxi | and has to be enough, as it's all I could get :-) |
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| 10:39.01 | themill | oxi: I'm not sure what use the config files etc would be from the shell account on your VPS anyway |
| 10:39.16 | oxi | true |
| 10:39.20 | claint | oxi: just tar root? |
| 10:39.36 | oxi | but I just want this stuff for archiving purposes and for the worst case |
| 10:40.17 | oxi | claint: yeah, but tar seems buggy to me. it randomly stops at files which are not acessible, even if you do: tar -cfz --ignore-failed-read |
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| 10:42.54 | themill | oxi: doesn't here (even without the --ignore-failed-read option) |
| 10:43.38 | oxi | themill: ok, then there might be trouble with my tar version |
| 10:43.51 | oxi | maybe I could install a local version of tar |
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| 10:44.02 | oxi | themill: thanks a lot for trying this |
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| 10:56.00 | Dillizar | how can i change the root pass if i dont know the pass and my grub is on 0 sec :) |
| 10:57.00 | petemc | boot cd |
| 10:57.10 | Dillizar | kewl |
| 10:57.19 | Dillizar | i some said that too but i dont know how |
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| 10:57.25 | Dillizar | i have a lot of linux live cds |
| 10:58.05 | Dillizar | i have puppy cuz its boot really fast |
| 10:58.16 | Dillizar | petemc, can you help me if i boot from live cd |
| 10:59.04 | petemc | google for a guide, there are many |
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| 10:59.18 | petemc | if you get stuck im sure someone can help |
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| 11:01.49 | Zharf | wait, who broke dpkg and apt bots :o |
| 11:01.57 | Dillizar | thanks petemc |
| 11:02.23 | petemc | dpkg: word |
| 11:02.23 | dpkg | word to your mutha! |
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| 11:16.08 | PePPe-- | hi! How can i determinate what LVM volume some /dev/dm-X is? |
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| 11:25.38 | OpenTokix | peppe: lvscan? |
| 11:25.54 | OpenTokix | peppe: or maybe pvscan ? |
| 11:27.33 | total | where can be /usr/bin/php if i instaled php5, but i cant se it in /usr/bin |
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| 11:27.46 | eptalon | heyas. |
| 11:28.01 | eptalon | Is there an easy way to merge several text files together? |
| 11:28.43 | bolt-wor1 | cat file1 file2 file4 > mergedfile |
| 11:28.50 | Azrael_- | grml, too slow |
| 11:28.52 | Azrael_- | :) |
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| 11:29.15 | eptalon | these contain data in column format; so i want first two columns from first file, second column from third file as column3, second column from fourth file as col 4,...? |
| 11:29.31 | bolt-wor1 | you want sql |
| 11:29.34 | aleks_ | eptalon, try meld |
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| 11:30.24 | eptalon | aleks_: each of the files has 840 rows? |
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| 11:31.38 | themill | total: install the php5-cli package |
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| 11:32.41 | themill | eptalon: have a look at paste or join depending on what file format you have |
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| 11:37.11 | eptalon | themill: join doesnt do what I want |
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| 11:37.21 | eptalon | paste might |
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| 11:43.21 | eptalon | themill: paste f1 f2|awk '{ print $1,$2,$4 }' |
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| 11:50.39 | Dillizar | hi i am running on a live cd and i need help to change my root pass |
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| 11:52.03 | bolt | what livecd? |
| 11:52.19 | Dillizar | i puppy |
| 11:52.28 | Dillizar | puppy* |
| 11:52.40 | bolt | not debian |
| 11:52.50 | RichiH | !based on |
| 11:52.50 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 11:53.13 | RichiH | bolt: it's "passwd", but you really should seek out the puppy linux channel |
| 11:53.39 | Dillizar | bolt, no i have debian but i forgot my pass |
| 11:53.49 | Dillizar | so i am on a live puppy cd just to change the root pass |
| 11:54.24 | bolt | RichiH: i wasn't asking :) |
| 11:54.34 | RichiH | bolt: argh, yes |
| 11:55.03 | RichiH | Dillizar: mount /dev/foo /mnt/point, chroot /mnt/point /bin/bash, passwd |
| 11:55.04 | RichiH | umount |
| 11:56.47 | Dillizar | ok |
| 11:56.59 | Dillizar | i will reboot now and see what will happen :) |
| 11:57.13 | Dillizar | brb |
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| 11:57.32 | bolt-work | he questions elive? |
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| 12:00.35 | maher | i can build the alsa-driver 1.0.20 modules - how do i package them up into a .deb? |
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| 12:04.36 | Dillizar | hey i still cant change the pass |
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| 12:04.54 | Dillizar | cuz i dont know what is /mnt/point |
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| 12:05.47 | nkuttler | maher: make-kpkg |
| 12:07.11 | Dillizar | who was the guy helping me to change the root pass |
| 12:07.29 | bolt-work | Dillizar: any mount point |
| 12:07.36 | bolt-work | Dillizar: just mount it anywhere you want |
| 12:07.47 | Dillizar | hmm |
| 12:07.48 | bolt-work | Dillizar: you're just gonna chroot into it anyway |
| 12:07.56 | Dillizar | lemme try |
| 12:08.05 | bolt-work | you have my permission to do so |
| 12:08.10 | warthog | rotfl! |
| 12:08.50 | Dillizar | mount: special device /dev/foo does not exist |
| 12:09.08 | bolt-work | Dillizar: you need to mount your harddrive |
| 12:09.14 | Dillizar | it is |
| 12:09.17 | Dillizar | i can access it |
| 12:09.22 | bolt-work | Dillizar: your harddrive is not /dev/foo |
| 12:09.40 | bolt-work | Dillizar: if you can access your drive, you have already mounted it. chroot to your mountpoint |
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| 12:10.27 | Dillizar | i am there |
| 12:10.32 | Dillizar | kewl |
| 12:10.32 | bolt-work | Dillizar: just run "mount", see where your drive is mounted, chroot there, run bash, change password, log out, shut down, reboot, make a cup of coffee and smile |
| 12:10.41 | Dillizar | now passwd |
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| 12:10.51 | bolt-work | then coffee |
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| 12:11.13 | Dillizar | passwd: password updated successfully |
| 12:11.17 | Dillizar | now what |
| 12:11.23 | Dillizar | do i need to unmount it |
| 12:11.26 | Dillizar | or just restart |
| 12:11.36 | bolt-work | unmounting is nice |
| 12:11.53 | bolt-work | but if your livecd mounted it, it will likely also unmount it if you rust run a proper shutdown -r |
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| 12:12.09 | bolt-work | s/rust/just/ |
| 12:12.15 | bolt-work | damn irc. gimmeh sed |
| 12:12.44 | Dillizar | what?? |
| 12:12.50 | bolt-work | nevermind :) |
| 12:13.08 | Dillizar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:13.12 | bolt-work | umount |
| 12:13.19 | Dillizar | what is the command to un mount |
| 12:13.19 | Dillizar | :D |
| 12:13.23 | bolt-work | umount |
| 12:13.40 | Dillizar | kewl |
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| 12:13.47 | Dillizar | remme restart thanks bolt |
| 12:13.48 | bolt-work | yeh, like, leet, dude |
| 12:13.53 | bolt-work | no problem |
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| 12:14.14 | Dillizar | btw i hope your nick is not because of the cartoon :) |
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| 12:14.35 | bolt-work | it's registered over 2 years ago |
| 12:14.38 | Dillizar | damn some one remove my bolt from my desk |
| 12:14.38 | bolt-work | don't worry :) |
| 12:14.44 | Dillizar | i like the movie |
| 12:14.48 | maher | nkuttler: doesn't that only work on already debianized modules? |
| 12:14.55 | Dillizar | but i bought the puppet from france |
| 12:14.57 | Dillizar | so its VOLT |
| 12:15.00 | Dillizar | damn them |
| 12:15.04 | Dillizar | :) |
| 12:15.22 | Dillizar | brb |
| 12:15.35 | bolt-work | that stupid movie has ruined my nick |
| 12:15.39 | bolt-work | can't register anywhere now |
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| 12:15.47 | bolt-work | there's always some 12 year old fucktard using the nick |
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| 12:18.10 | Danielss89 | hi... i have a ftp program installed on my server. and a debian user but when i upload with the user, it seems like the standard chmod is 400 or something, and it should be 755 |
| 12:18.21 | Danielss89 | how can i change the users standard chmod? |
| 12:18.22 | DIllizar | bolt-work, thanks dude it works |
| 12:18.28 | bolt-work | np |
| 12:18.59 | DIllizar | bolt-work, you dont know how it is to be without root access for 2 weeks :) |
| 12:19.28 | nkuttler | maher: hmm.. i think you're right, but it should be relatively easy to add the necessary stuff in debian/ |
| 12:20.06 | total | why cronjobs doesn`t works? php5-cli instaled |
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| 12:20.32 | themill | Danielss89: that's normally a property that the ftp client sets (see the umask option in whatever client you're using) |
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| 12:24.14 | prona | question: is it possible to get cdrkit or cdrtools to just close an open session and nothing else? |
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| 12:24.42 | maher | nkuttler: they build fine - but m-a gives errors when i try and build them with that... |
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| 12:27.07 | maher | why is this so hard? I have build the damn modules - i just don't want to hose the packaging system by manually coping them in there |
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| 12:30.52 | tingle | hi i would like to see a dutch (NL) sources.list file (Debian 5.0) because i have non right now. is there some generator for it? |
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| 12:31.21 | petemc | http://ftp.nl.debian.org |
| 12:31.26 | petemc | i would guess... |
| 12:32.40 | tingle | petemc: i can understand but i cant remember the lines ive used xubuntu for a while.. |
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| 12:33.00 | Danielss89 | hmm themill i've set umask to 755 and restarted vsftpd but when i upload now it gets chmod 404 |
| 12:33.24 | petemc | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 12:33.56 | total | why cronjobs doesn`t works? here is error logs for cron? php5-cli instaled |
| 12:34.27 | themill | Danielss89: You probably want to set umask to a number like 0022 or 0002, not 755. |
| 12:35.22 | themill | total: what cron job? Why is php involved? Error messages are typically mailed to you by cron. |
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| 12:35.35 | petemc | or in syslog.. |
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| 12:36.04 | Danielss89 | themill that gives it the chmod 644. What number is equilent to chmod 755? |
| 12:36.18 | themill | Danielss89: why do you want 755 for your files? |
| 12:36.21 | Sir-Integra | Can someone tell me what's wrong with these iptables commands? |
| 12:36.22 | Sir-Integra | http://nopaste.com/p/a3YLBIWYt |
| 12:36.47 | abrotman | did you ask #iptables |
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| 12:37.02 | Sir-Integra | oh, i was assuming i'd ask here, since i'm running on debian. |
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| 12:37.51 | Danielss89 | themill so that the browser can execute them... |
| 12:38.04 | themill | Danielss89: why does the browser need to execute them? What are they? |
| 12:38.16 | Danielss89 | html and php files.. |
| 12:38.25 | Danielss89 | for a homepage |
| 12:38.26 | themill | Danielss89: neither need +x set on them. |
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| 12:38.45 | Danielss89 | but it wont open them? |
| 12:39.07 | Sir-Integra | .. |
| 12:39.15 | themill | What's "it"? How is it not opening them? What's the actual error message. Stop making this hard for us... |
| 12:39.20 | Sir-Integra | You don't need to set +x permissions on php or html files. |
| 12:39.32 | Sir-Integra | Paste the Error message you're getting from the webserver |
| 12:40.41 | tingle | petemc: that the only line i need? i though i have two |
| 12:40.50 | Danielss89 | themill: The browser wouldnt open, but now it seems like it can open them.. weird |
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| 12:42.50 | deus___ | Maybe a dumb question, but: During the Debian install, you can check/uncheck the "Laptop" Packages, which packages are included in there? I forgot to check them -.- |
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| 12:44.05 | jelly | !tasksel |
| 12:44.05 | dpkg | it has been said that tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (eg. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 12:44.28 | jelly | erm. |
| 12:44.31 | liable | deus___: acpi stuff is about it, i think |
| 12:44.32 | jelly | !laptop task |
| 12:44.32 | dpkg | Laptop task packages in Lenny: acpi, acpid, acpi-support, anacron, apmd, avahi-autoipd, bluetooth, cpufrequtils, hibernate, nvclock, pcmciautils, powertop, radeontool, toshset, vbetool, wireless-tools, wpasupplicant. See <tasksel>. |
| 12:44.45 | _kettle_ | quick question from Xen noob: If I install the xen-linux-system-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 package, all I do is get a Xen enabled kernel, right? It doesn't change anything else in dom0? |
| 12:44.46 | jelly | deus___: see above |
| 12:44.52 | deus___ | Thanks jelly :) |
| 12:48.15 | maher | _kettle_: i don't think so - install xen-tools to actually try and set up some hosts |
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| 12:54.26 | _kettle_ | maher: thanks, that's all I needed to know. As long as it doesn't replace my existing system with some "hypervisor-only" system and trash my existing services, I'm happy ;) |
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| 13:12.35 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:12.35 | dpkg | <jetscreamer> should be doable though, even if it's not |
| 13:12.38 | sente | hello, i just grabbed grep's source, i want to compile a version which is compatible with perl's regex syntax. can someone tell me what i need to do now? |
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| 13:12.49 | mib_95054d | hi |
| 13:13.07 | mib_95054d | can you recommend me a graphic client for the database postgre??? |
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| 13:14.21 | abrotman | tora |
| 13:15.31 | fluxdude | anyone here know much about debian preseeding? I am having trouble getting the thing to not prompt me for the hostname/domain... |
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| 13:15.47 | fluxdude | despite having specified it in the preseed (not on boot param though) |
| 13:15.50 | themill | sente: /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 13:16.27 | liable | fluxdude: i think that might be a bug. check bdo for netcfg (i recall seeing similar complaints on the d-i list) |
| 13:16.59 | fluxdude | liable: bdo? |
| 13:17.10 | liable | fluxdude: bugs.debian.org |
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| 13:17.17 | Decepticon | in this cpu usage graph, what can be the reasons for the high cpu usage % for "iowait" http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/647/localhostlocaldomaincpu.png |
| 13:18.43 | fluxdude | liable: ah |
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| 13:25.31 | warthog | Decepticon: what kind of apps are running? what kernel? what kind of underlying storage ? were there any errors in syslog ? |
| 13:25.43 | Decepticon | rtorrent and massive torrenting |
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| 13:26.36 | sente | themill: thank you, however i run into a problem when i try and "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us grep-2.5.3" |
| 13:26.46 | sente | it says the options to dpkg-buildpackage are wrong |
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| 13:27.52 | warthog | Decepticon: the answer to the other ? |
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| 13:28.29 | liable | arr |
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| 13:29.04 | themill | sente: "cd grep-2.5.3 ; "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us" should do it. (dpkg-bp doesn't take a "packagename" option... I'll fix that factoid) |
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| 13:29.26 | Decepticon | warthog the storage it looks like its sata 250gb and i dont see relevent errors in syslog |
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| 13:29.47 | warthog | what rpm ? |
| 13:29.54 | warthog | how many torrents at a time ? |
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| 13:30.00 | sente | themill: ahh, thanks |
| 13:30.04 | Decepticon | how can i check more detail info on my disk warthog? |
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| 13:30.45 | abrotman | Decepticon: i think htop can do that? |
| 13:30.58 | Decepticon | lets see |
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| 13:31.02 | warthog | Decepticon: /sys/block |
| 13:31.04 | Decepticon | Swp:509M used:29124k |
| 13:32.11 | Decepticon | is it possible the disk is dying |
| 13:32.34 | warthog | Decepticon: dude you just got the answer in ##linux |
| 13:32.46 | Decepticon | yes |
| 13:33.06 | Decepticon | it doesnt seem like the disk is dying? |
| 13:33.08 | Decepticon | how do i verify? |
| 13:33.20 | petemc | smartmontoolsd |
| 13:33.22 | petemc | s/sd/s/ |
| 13:33.46 | abrotman | if your stuff supports that |
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| 13:36.08 | mib_lhtdsa | hey can anyone tell me how to use aptitude with a socks5 proxy? (ssh -D) |
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| 13:40.41 | themill | sente: please keep it in the channel so that when I wander off you will still get help from someone else. The date in your change log entry is in a different format, that's probably enough to do it. If you install the "devscripts" package, then you can use the dch command to do all that for you. |
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| 13:41.18 | sente | themill: thanks |
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| 13:47.53 | Vivatma | how to shutdown firewall in debian ? |
| 13:48.08 | petemc | how did you start firewall? |
| 13:48.19 | Vivatma | it started by deault |
| 13:48.22 | petemc | no it didnt |
| 13:48.33 | Vivatma | yes, when I installed it |
| 13:48.41 | abrotman | no it didn't |
| 13:48.42 | petemc | what did you install? |
| 13:48.45 | Vivatma | but would you plz tell me how to shutdown it ? |
| 13:48.53 | Vivatma | iptables ? or what ? |
| 13:49.05 | Vivatma | : P |
| 13:49.05 | abrotman | there is no firewall installed on debian by default .. you did it |
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| 13:49.08 | petemc | Vivatma: you installed iptables? did you then go on to configure iptables rules? |
| 13:49.18 | Vivatma | I think not |
| 13:49.19 | Vivatma | :P |
| 13:49.24 | petemc | then you have no firewall |
| 13:49.25 | Vivatma | I did not do anything. |
| 13:49.31 | Vivatma | but am trying to shutdown it. |
| 13:49.32 | Vivatma | : ) |
| 13:49.46 | abrotman | Vivatma: show us `cat /proc/version` |
| 13:49.57 | Vivatma | okay, wait |
| 13:50.24 | abrotman | There is no firewall configured at installation time by debian .. what problem are you trying to overcome? |
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| 13:50.51 | Vivatma | urmm, I just wanna know the command to shutdown it . : ) |
| 13:50.57 | Vivatma | if thr is no |
| 13:50.59 | Vivatma | :P |
| 13:51.08 | abrotman | Vivatma: show us `cat /proc/version` |
| 13:51.16 | Vivatma | okay |
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| 13:51.27 | themill | Vivatma: "shutdown -h now" will shut down any firewall along with your machine... Is that what you want? |
| 13:51.33 | Vivatma | : P |
| 13:51.33 | abrotman | and tell us why you think there is a firewall running |
| 13:52.05 | Vivatma | ok, if I did not add something to iptables, so ,thr should not be firewall acting? |
| 13:52.07 | Vivatma | right ? |
| 13:52.11 | petemc | iptables -L |
| 13:52.23 | abrotman | Vivatma: why do you think there is a firewall running? |
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| 13:53.02 | Vivatma | Linux version 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21) |
| 13:53.08 | Vivatma | proc/version |
| 13:53.14 | abrotman | and why do you think there is a firewall running ? |
| 13:53.36 | ethanol | lol |
| 13:53.36 | Vivatma | urmm,I just wonder it. :P |
| 13:53.43 | themill | judd: kernels |
| 13:53.44 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.29-trunk-686 (2.6.29-1~experimental.2~snapshot.13314); sid: 2.6.29-2-686 (2.6.29-5); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 13:53.56 | themill | that's a rather old and out of date kernel too |
| 13:53.58 | abrotman | Vivatma: so you don't actually have any problems, you just want to know how to turn off your non-existant firewall ? |
| 13:54.07 | Vivatma | maybe |
| 13:54.17 | abrotman | goes to play in traffic |
| 13:54.30 | Vivatma | so, if I add some thing to iptable, the firewall does work then ? |
| 13:54.48 | petemc | depends what you add |
| 13:54.49 | abrotman | depends what you add |
| 13:54.53 | petemc | *bam* |
| 13:54.55 | abrotman | jinx: you owe me a beer! |
| 13:55.00 | Vivatma | okay |
| 13:55.00 | petemc | i owe you?! |
| 13:55.01 | themill | dpkg: tell Vivatma about iptables |
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| 13:55.14 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hello, good morning to everybody ever and ever light shine at all ... |
| 13:55.16 | abrotman | it's not who says it first .. it's who calls jinx first :) |
| 13:55.20 | petemc | oh |
| 13:55.28 | Vivatma | thx themill |
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| 13:56.00 | abrotman | themill: i think SOUL_OF_R00T is talking to you ? |
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| 13:56.25 | themill | I hope not... |
| 13:57.00 | SOUL_OF_R00T | excuse for something... |
| 13:57.18 | abrotman | takes a whiff |
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| 14:03.55 | mib_lhtdsa | does anyone know if it is at all possible to use apt-get/aptitude with a socks5 proxy? |
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| 14:10.06 | giles_ | heya all |
| 14:10.33 | giles_ | I just updated a etch server to use the 2.6.26-bpo.2-amd64 kernel |
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| 14:11.02 | bolt | giles_: your server is happy now |
| 14:11.18 | giles_ | and now our cocoon based website doesn't render utf-8 emdashes correctly |
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| 14:11.40 | CoolCold | may be you updated smth else |
| 14:11.40 | giles_ | i'm just testing a downgrade to be completely sure |
| 14:11.53 | CoolCold | or this is just reboot/init.d script result |
| 14:11.54 | giles_ | nope i manually apt-getted it |
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| 14:12.05 | bolt | apt-got? |
| 14:12.09 | JordanS | .. |
| 14:12.15 | giles_ | specifically to try and fix dell openmanage |
| 14:12.19 | giles_ | which is did.. |
| 14:12.24 | giles_ | it rather |
| 14:12.29 | CoolCold | like some env variables were inherited from root ones |
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| 14:13.08 | giles_ | i thought it was a sensible choice given that it's the kernel version used in lenny |
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| 14:13.29 | CoolCold | runs 2.6.28.8 on etch without problems |
| 14:13.35 | abrotman | giles_: did you try the etchnhalf kernel ? |
| 14:13.42 | CoolCold | except there is not /dev/rtc |
| 14:13.42 | giles_ | i was using that before |
| 14:14.12 | giles_ | hrm anyways I've just tried a downgrade on our test server and it's still happening with the etch and a half kernel |
| 14:14.17 | giles_ | so it's not kernel related.. |
| 14:14.23 | CoolCold | ya ya ;) |
| 14:14.24 | giles_ | hrm |
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| 14:19.13 | fedfdf | can anyone give me a link to a good source list for apt-get ? |
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| 14:19.33 | adb | !sources |
| 14:19.33 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 14:19.52 | ignotus` | hello, is it possible to do variable assignment in GNU make's command section? |
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| 14:26.57 | matt7676 | when I would like to connect with my WAP using "iwconfig ath0 essid wifi key 1234567890123", then it seems like everything went fine(no errors). However, when I check "iwconfig ath0" I can see, that iwconfig wants me to insert 128bit key(26 characters) instead of 64bit key. How to force iwconfig accept 64bit WEP passwords? |
| 14:28.38 | jamon | matt7676: don't use wep, wpa if possible, but if you're stuck with wep, use key s:passphrase |
| 14:29.05 | fedfdf | matt where you get the madwifi driver from ? |
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| 14:29.28 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 14:29.28 | dpkg | madwifi-install is probably ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe -r ath5k ; modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT wlan0. This driver is not available for Debian post-Lenny, ask me about <ath5k> or <ath9k>. |
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| 14:30.39 | cusco | howdy |
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| 14:33.24 | Pascal_1 | i've got a problem on lenny with tftpd-hpa package, this one doesnt create pidfile, even if i modify the script init, anybody could help me |
| 14:33.39 | matt7676 | jamon: my WIFI WAP doesn't support WPA. It only supports 64bit WEP. When I read iwconfig manual page, there is said that iwconfig doesn't support passphrase jet. Only ASCII string or key in hex form. |
| 14:34.11 | cusco | yep |
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| 14:35.18 | RichiH | it appears kernel 2.6.29 does not support ide=nodma any more.. what should i use instead? |
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| 14:41.07 | cnu_ | i'm not getting sound in rhythmbox .... what may be the problem ? |
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| 14:50.10 | jj43 | Hi all. I track testing and saw that KDE4 was available today. Ran dist-upgrade and managed to break lots of stuff, including KDM. (I'm using enlightenment now instead!) Anyone have KDE4 working under testing? Or is it too early? |
| 14:50.52 | abrotman | jj43: supposedly quite a few issues .. not sure if #debian-kde on OFTC is helping people with this or not |
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| 14:54.58 | jj43 | Thanks abrotman. That'd be irc.oftc.net? |
| 14:55.02 | abrotman | yes |
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| 14:55.30 | jj43 | Right. Will drop on over and see what's what. :-) |
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| 14:57.34 | luca_p | hi all, i have troubles with nested raid installing debian lenny...can anyone help me please? |
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| 15:05.48 | fluxdude | yet another bloody bug in d-i, anyone run in to the no root partition problem when using expert_recipe? |
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| 15:11.10 | paul__ | I have a machine that occasionaly fires out a thermal trip point reached acpi call. This however is false. The system is well within tolerance. Is there a way i can change the thermal trip point? I try 'echo 200 > /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/trip_points'. I know this is potentially dangerous but not to worry. I get the error 'echo: write error: input/output error'. Why cant i write to this part of /proc? Is there a way i can modify this thermal limit? |
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| 15:12.09 | olavimmanuel | Hello. I have a package that I want to install, only i get (http://pastebin.com/d509f8894) an error saying one of the utilities (timeout) conflicts with another packages utility (timeout). How can I install the rest, or overwrite the existing one? |
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| 15:12.52 | nkuttler | olavimmanuel: dpkg --force-help |
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| 15:13.15 | olavimmanuel | nkuttler: Thanks allot!!! |
| 15:13.24 | abrotman | olavimmanuel: that seems like a bad idea given it's coreutils |
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| 15:14.12 | olavimmanuel | its the same timeout, i hope... |
| 15:14.36 | olavimmanuel | i can alway reinstall coreutils... |
| 15:15.08 | olavimmanuel | but any way to exclude timeout from the installation? |
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| 15:19.51 | nkuttler | olavimmanuel: btw, is that a debian package? |
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| 15:20.47 | valdyn | olavimmanuel: what kind of fucked up package would provide a coreutils file? |
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| 15:21.08 | olavimmanuel | nope, its for iphone, ported form source i think... However no one wanted to help with dpkg so i came here :) |
| 15:21.20 | nkuttler | doesn't have timeout in coreutils |
| 15:21.22 | valdyn | "ported from source" .....?! |
| 15:21.52 | nkuttler | neitern in sarge, etch or sid |
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| 15:22.08 | valdyn | its in the timeout package |
| 15:22.28 | nkuttler | valdyn: his error says trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/timeout', which is also in package coreutils |
| 15:22.33 | olavimmanuel | hehe, dont really know, its sauriks job... The reason it conflicts is the package netatalk is for iphone 2.2.1 and i have 3.0 beta 5 |
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| 15:22.48 | valdyn | nkuttler: that doesnt make sense then |
| 15:22.55 | valdyn | judd: versions timeout |
| 15:22.56 | judd | valdyn: timeout -- etch: 1.11-6.3 lenny: 1.11-6.5 sid: 1.18-2 squeeze: 1.18-2 |
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| 15:23.15 | olavimmanuel | Thanks. It seems to be working nicely :) |
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| 15:23.59 | valdyn | hmm, arm |
| 15:24.19 | olavimmanuel | yes, iphone is arm based. |
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| 15:24.46 | stew | judd: versions timeout --arch arm |
| 15:24.46 | judd | stew: timeout -- etch: 1.11-6.3 lenny: 1.11-6.5 sid: 1.18-2 |
| 15:25.49 | valdyn | stew: judd can find files too? |
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| 15:26.51 | stew | valdyn: nope |
| 15:27.45 | anoHito | hi stew , :D |
| 15:27.46 | stew | valdyn: i've been working on getting contents.gz and packages.gz files to be generated by the dak database directly |
| 15:28.03 | stew | valdyn: once that is working i'll probabliy move judd from udd to dak, and then we'll have it |
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| 15:28.16 | stew | valdyn: the problem is that the database of contents is HUGE |
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| 15:28.30 | anoHito | I am having a strange problem, ihave a fresh installed etch, however, i cannot enable DMA nor the 32bit mode, btw, i do not know if DMA is enabled or no . |
| 15:28.35 | valdyn | stew: nice |
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| 15:28.52 | anoHito | i have sata hdd, i googled, there are tons of users have the same problem. |
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| 15:28.54 | valdyn | anoHito: sata? |
| 15:28.59 | valdyn | anoHito: thats not a problem |
| 15:28.59 | anoHito | yes |
| 15:29.09 | valdyn | anoHito: thats people thinking they have a problem which they have not |
| 15:29.11 | anoHito | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:29.16 | valdyn | anoHito: and that includes you |
| 15:29.25 | anoHito | setting using_dma to 1 (on) |
| 15:29.26 | anoHito | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.36 | stew | valdyn: right now the single sql query i use to generate contents.gz takes 8 minutes to complete on a 8 core machine with 16GB of ram |
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| 15:29.39 | valdyn | anoHito: you cannot enable or disable dma on sata |
| 15:29.45 | valdyn | stew: oops |
| 15:29.57 | stew | valdyn: (that's the highly optimized version) |
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| 15:30.14 | creator-cdsc | if i have more than one ways of connecting to the internet, how do i use a particular way? currently, eth0 (wired), eth1 (wireless) and ppp0 (some other modem) are enabled. but now i want to use ppp0 to connect to the internet, how do i do that? |
| 15:30.14 | stew | and that's for all arches on unstable. it used to be 6 minutes per arch on unstable |
| 15:30.22 | anoHito | valdyn, you mean the sata harddrive or the 'sata' interface ? |
| 15:30.51 | valdyn | anoHito: as your computer only talks to the controller and not to the harddisk, i mean the controller |
| 15:31.11 | valdyn | anoHito: or s/computer/cpu/ |
| 15:31.20 | anoHito | valdyn, but would you tell me how do i check that whether the dma is on or off at the moment ? |
| 15:31.34 | valdyn | anoHito: its on |
| 15:31.42 | anoHito | oh |
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| 15:32.05 | anoHito | valdyn, then how about the 32bit mode ? i cannot enable it. |
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| 15:32.36 | valdyn | anoHito: stop worrying about it, you cannot configure it |
| 15:32.42 | valdyn | anoHito: its workingl. |
| 15:33.08 | anoHito | Hmm hdparm worked like a charm on my old pata disks. |
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| 15:33.15 | creator-cdsc | i have eth0(wired broadband), eth1(wireless) and ppp0. how do i connect to the net using ppp0? |
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| 15:33.18 | anoHito | did not know it's different for sata. |
| 15:33.18 | deadbeef | so guys |
| 15:33.25 | deadbeef | how comes kde4 doesn't suck? |
| 15:33.27 | deadbeef | EXPLAIN |
| 15:33.28 | valdyn | anoHito: its the same on pata now |
| 15:33.36 | anoHito | valdyn, what happened ? |
| 15:33.44 | valdyn | anoHito: nothing? |
| 15:33.51 | valdyn | anoHito: dma is on by default |
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| 15:33.57 | anoHito | oh |
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| 15:34.06 | valdyn | anoHito: dma not being on means that it cannot be enabled |
| 15:34.19 | anoHito | valdyn, so i run hdparm -tT /dev/sda ,which value is important ? |
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| 15:34.24 | valdyn | anoHito: except on some old exotic hardware |
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| 15:34.39 | valdyn | anoHito: important for what? to see your ram speed? |
| 15:34.55 | anoHito | to check the disk performance, it will show only 2 lines |
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| 15:36.08 | valdyn | anoHito: t benchmarks your raw disk read , T benchmarks your ram, or vice versa |
| 15:36.37 | anoHito | then the t is important i think ,i have a new hdd installed. |
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| 15:36.58 | valdyn | anoHito: raw read is usually useless |
| 15:37.00 | JordiGH | stew: You're hosting fishshell.org? |
| 15:37.02 | JordiGH | Nice. |
| 15:37.23 | valdyn | anoHito: usually means that it depends on your workload |
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| 15:37.59 | stew | JordiGH: yeah, axel was hosting it on no-ip and his home internet was going down, so I offered him up some hosting |
| 15:38.17 | anoHito | I see. |
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| 15:38.27 | JordiGH | stew: Sweet. bash is horrid little thing. Can't wait for fish to become standard. |
| 15:38.31 | valdyn | anoHito: for a mail server you want to benchmark seeks, not raw io |
| 15:38.49 | stew | JordiGH: not likely to become standard for anything |
| 15:38.54 | stew | JordiGH: its a neat little shell though |
| 15:38.59 | anoHito | okay. |
| 15:39.13 | JordiGH | Yeah, I guess you can't topple 30 years of Unix inertia with good ideas. |
| 15:39.58 | olavimmanuel | Bye, and thanks again :) |
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| 15:40.05 | JordiGH | Yay, it uses Emacs-like keys. |
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| 15:40.19 | stew | JordiGH: you're welcome (i added them :)) |
| 15:40.40 | JordiGH | stew: You are awesome. :-) |
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| 15:41.00 | stew | \*/ |
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| 15:41.27 | S4schii | hi |
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| 15:41.38 | S4schii | german |
| 15:41.40 | S4schii | ?german |
| 15:41.42 | azeem | !de |
| 15:41.42 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 15:41.42 | S4schii | !german |
| 15:41.43 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 15:41.46 | S4schii | thx azeem |
| 15:42.14 | JordiGH | stew: Is it just readline? |
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| 15:42.32 | S4schii | do somebody know if there are addons for gdlibary? |
| 15:43.04 | stew | JordiGH: nope |
| 15:43.15 | JordiGH | stew: Oh, wow, actual work! :D |
| 15:43.17 | stew | JordiGH: and there is a reason for that, though I don't remember what |
| 15:43.27 | JordiGH | stew: LGPL or something like that? |
| 15:43.29 | S4schii | or how i activate the "imagefilter" and "imagerotate" |
| 15:43.30 | JordiGH | Er, GPL? |
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| 15:44.20 | JordiGH | Uh-oh... how do you search back in the history? |
| 15:44.25 | JordiGH | C-r doesn't do it... |
| 15:44.50 | petemc | it should, in bash |
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| 15:45.09 | JordiGH | petemc: The bash is dead. Long live the fish! |
| 15:45.23 | petemc | i have no idea what the fish in, in that context |
| 15:45.32 | petemc | s/in/is/ |
| 15:45.39 | JordiGH | petemc: fishshell.org (thanks again, stew) |
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| 15:48.36 | twinkie_addict | hmm fish looks interesting |
| 15:48.45 | stew | JordiGH: start typing and hit meta-up or ctrl-p to search through history |
| 15:48.52 | stew | JordiGH: err complete via history |
| 15:49.30 | JordiGH | stew: Hm... but what if what I want isn't in the front of the history? |
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| 15:49.50 | stew | JordiGH: then you pick up where I left off with sending patches |
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| 15:50.11 | stew | JordiGH: actually it seems to work these days |
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| 15:50.33 | stew | JordiGH: yeah, just type part of the command line and hit ctrl-p |
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| 15:51.19 | JordiGH | stew: Not the packaged version? |
| 15:51.51 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:52.03 | pandator | hello |
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| 15:57.24 | philk__ | is it possible to find out when a specific file was deleted on ext3? |
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| 15:59.11 | JordiGH | philk__: You mean for undelete purposes? Not generally possible on a journalled fs. |
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| 16:00.16 | philk__ | JordiGH: no, I just would like to know if the file has been there at all or was never actually copied onto the filesystem. I do not want to restore it |
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| 16:02.09 | ed0n0n | I am trying to mount a new volume/partition using ext3 filesys and Gparted for creation. It has been created correctly but dont know how to set the Mount point because I get to an error if I try something like /media/hda1; mount point cannot contain the following characters: newline, G_DIR_SEPARATOR (usually /). How can I solve this and mount the new partition correctly on boot? |
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| 16:04.36 | wicket | ed0n0n: you could just type it into the textfile /etc/fstab. Strange error though, of course the mount point can contain /... |
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| 16:05.43 | ed0n0n | wicket: thank you, forgot about the old fstab file ;) |
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| 16:06.22 | DiplomamillsSuck | When I embed an Excel worksheet in Word, are changes made to the worksheet from within Word (via OLE) saved back to the original Excel file, or saved into the Word document itself? |
| 16:06.38 | stew | DiplomamillsSuck: wrong channel? |
| 16:06.53 | S4schii | DO somebody can install gdlib??? |
| 16:07.16 | DiplomamillsSuck | Really? |
| 16:07.22 | DiplomamillsSuck | I guess |
| 16:07.28 | DiplomamillsSuck | Whoops :S |
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| 16:10.25 | Javiv | How do I search for installed packages under a certain patern? Like is there a 'search gcc*' command? |
| 16:10.51 | abrotman | Javiv: dpkg -l "*gcc*" |
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| 16:12.26 | Javiv | thank you, abchirk |
| 16:12.28 | Javiv | abrotman: |
| 16:12.51 | abchirk | no problem man! ;) |
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| 16:14.00 | jmut | what was c flag in front of package name when using aptitude. I kinda cannot find in man aptitude |
| 16:14.11 | jmut | I know v is virtual i is installed p is for package but c ? |
| 16:14.31 | legrand | i'm looking to buy a new computer that works hassle-free with stock debian lenny. Does anybody has had success with an Intel D045CB - board (GMA X4500)? |
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| 16:14.51 | anoHito | i love my laptop :) |
| 16:14.56 | legrand | jmut: c=configured (configuration available) |
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| 16:16.00 | wicket | jmut: if you want to get rid of the configuration files, then purge the package. |
| 16:16.19 | jmut | legrand: wicket nice. thanks |
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| 16:16.45 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 16:16.45 | dpkg | pours a quart of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for abchirk |
| 16:16.50 | abchirk | :) |
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| 16:17.48 | Anon6024 | m, |
| 16:18.45 | AttentionShopper | err |
| 16:18.50 | AttentionShopper | Sorry |
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| 16:19.10 | Baneo | 98.1%sy - what does the sy mean? |
| 16:19.15 | abrotman | system |
| 16:19.33 | Baneo | Cpu(s): 0.7%us, 98.1%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.3%hi, 0.9%si, 0.0%st |
| 16:19.39 | Baneo | So that would indicate it is in use? |
| 16:19.43 | Baneo | or free? |
| 16:19.59 | Baneo | seems messed up stats |
| 16:20.34 | tuxy | hi all |
| 16:20.44 | tuxy | do you know an application, which displays running text (marquee) on screen? like on TV new |
| 16:20.51 | tuxy | s |
| 16:21.30 | kaeptnb_ | "wine marquee.scr" could work :) |
| 16:22.14 | stwalkerster | hah |
| 16:22.18 | anoHito | i am now watching the blinking codes in the screen, and i am very touched. |
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| 16:22.58 | anoHito | there are so many codes, too many,,,and a bunch of them come to a single small program ,i am very wondering this type of magic . |
| 16:23.01 | tuxy | marquee.scr not right, it clears the screen |
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| 16:24.13 | kaeptnb_ | tuxy: try http://freshmeat.net/search?q=ticker |
| 16:24.19 | Azrael_- | how can i automatically feed in the root-pw for the mysql-server installation? |
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| 16:24.51 | tuxy | kaeptnb_, im going to |
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| 16:25.41 | kaeptnb_ | tuxy: and/or http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/ticker/ |
| 16:27.26 | kaeptnb_ | last one is funky - its textbased :) |
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| 16:35.59 | mfdavid | Hi all. I can use my ssh connection without problems, but if I leave it open and stop sending any commands for a while, the connection freezes and I have to close it and open again. Any times why? |
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| 16:36.36 | abrotman | check your router to see if it has a timeout setting |
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| 16:40.36 | mocramis | hello , I'm working with RS232. does anybody know what should be the port value (in the open function from termios. h) |
| 16:40.39 | mocramis | ? |
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| 16:43.29 | bookmark | hallo! peewee |
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| 16:44.00 | bookmark | does anyone know how to put a laptop display to off? |
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| 16:45.19 | bookmark | also does anyone know if maya will run with acceleration? |
| 16:45.25 | bookmark | without rather |
| 16:45.25 | anoHito | where is my-huge.cnf in debian ? |
| 16:45.35 | bookmark | hmmm |
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| 16:45.59 | justin | anoHito: maybe /usr/share/doc/mysql*/ ? |
| 16:46.16 | asdjh | xset dpms force off |
| 16:46.18 | legrand | Does anybody has had success with an Intel D045CB - board (GMA X4500)? |
| 16:46.28 | anoHito | justin, not there |
| 16:46.31 | abchirk | is it possible to change the debian version in any file...? So when downloading mozilla or else.. that he is adding this version to mozilla and all other programs, which show a version |
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| 16:46.51 | bookmark | i guess ill just move to a desktop when i reach the need |
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| 16:47.12 | asdjh | <bookmark> does anyone know how to put a laptop display to off? |
| 16:47.15 | asdjh | bookmark: xset dpms force off |
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| 16:48.01 | anoHito | found it , justin , /usr/local/mysql-5.0.67-linux-i686/support-files/my-huge.cnf |
| 16:48.17 | creature_ | checking for glutGetModifiers in -lglut... no |
| 16:48.17 | creature_ | configure: error: libglut not found |
| 16:48.39 | abchirk | abrotman, tell me :D |
| 16:48.40 | creature_ | debian repos don't have libglut? |
| 16:48.41 | bookmark | wow glut really? why not xna? |
| 16:48.51 | bookmark | i guess no c# in linux |
| 16:48.54 | bookmark | my bad |
| 16:49.03 | justin | creature_: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:49.16 | pabs3 | anoHito: it should be in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/examples/my-huge.cnf.gz FYI, in future you can use apt-file to search for specific files |
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| 16:50.31 | pabs3 | bookmark: google Mono.XNA for XNA on Linux |
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| 16:50.50 | creature_ | its opengl related |
| 16:50.56 | creature_ | guess ill search for opengl dev shit |
| 16:51.22 | pabs3 | creature_: I think you want freeglut3-dev |
| 16:51.29 | creature_ | no its not that |
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| 16:52.40 | creature_ | i did sudo apt-get install freeglut3 freeglut3-dev glutg3 glutg3-dev libalut-dev libglui-dev libglut3-dev libglut3 |
| 16:52.47 | creature_ | and it wasn't enough |
| 16:53.11 | creature_ | i don't know what the fuck im supposed to do with this |
| 16:53.37 | justin | !wayttd creature_ |
| 16:53.37 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, creature_? |
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| 16:54.06 | creature_ | ./configure |
| 16:54.24 | dotCOMmie | anyone seen: kdebase-bin-kde3: Conflicts: kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 This is debian testing |
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| 16:55.37 | dotCOMmie | http://pastebin.com/m7a009bbd |
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| 16:56.01 | blackbeard2000 | with the command "lspci -vv" under "Host bridge"... The Capability "Rate=x1,x2" means which AGP-rates my motherboard does, right? |
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| 16:56.29 | blackbeard2000 | err. can do.. not does |
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| 16:57.42 | pabs3 | creature_: please pastebin your config.log |
| 16:58.58 | pabs3 | dotCOMmie: probably to do with KDE4 moving to testing |
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| 16:59.26 | dotCOMmie | pabs3: I guess I should give it a few days. |
| 16:59.50 | steffan | I'm guessing that: ii gcc-3.4 3.4.6-9 The GNU C compiler | ii gcc-3.4-base 3.4.6-9 The GNU Compiler Collection (base package) means that gcc-3.4 is fully installed? |
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| 17:00.00 | pabs3 | would guess so |
| 17:00.05 | dotCOMmie | can someone else try upgrade on testing? I don't want to file bug if I'm the only one affected |
| 17:00.16 | creature_ | pabs3: or maybe its just this part thats interesting: http://pastebin.com/m57f5ef43 |
| 17:00.32 | creature_ | kinda shows that the actual error is -lXi |
| 17:00.38 | steffan | ? |
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| 17:01.07 | valdyn | steffan: what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:01.34 | steffan | valdyn: Install gcc-3.4 for a user on my server. I'm guessing that 'ii' means installed, but he is still getting an error saying there is a missing lib |
| 17:01.39 | creature_ | so maybe apt-get install libxi-dev |
| 17:01.47 | creature_ | FUCK |
| 17:01.51 | creature_ | it didn't help |
| 17:01.51 | valdyn | steffan: gcc is a compiler, not a lib |
| 17:01.56 | rahsputin | Hi. I am trying to get a Epson Stylus D92 Printer to run, the only Drivers we can find are the D88. |
| 17:02.07 | valdyn | steffan: but you already knew that.. |
| 17:02.07 | steffan | valdyn: I'm thinking it's related to something else then. |
| 17:02.09 | rahsputin | We are using Debian Lenny Stable Repo. |
| 17:02.13 | creature_ | ohoh it just needs more |
| 17:02.17 | creature_ | -lXmu |
| 17:02.17 | dotCOMmie | pabs3: my other box hit same problem |
| 17:02.19 | valdyn | steffan: maybe if you told you which lib it is |
| 17:02.30 | steffan | valdyn: I'm waiting :) |
| 17:02.42 | dotCOMmie | anyone know if anyone from the debian KDE team is on freenode? |
| 17:03.19 | steffan | dotCOMmie: /msg ALIS list #debian*kde* |
| 17:03.48 | dotCOMmie | steffan: thanks |
| 17:04.04 | anoHito | in vi, how do i quickly clean all the contents ? |
| 17:04.12 | anoHito | there are many many lines by default . |
| 17:04.19 | anoHito | i need to clean them all. |
| 17:04.25 | dotCOMmie | anoHito: you can do 9999999dd |
| 17:04.38 | anoHito | lol |
| 17:05.09 | dotCOMmie | it works d: |
| 17:05.15 | rahsputin | any ideas on out issue above |
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| 17:05.19 | rahsputin | our |
| 17:05.23 | g00se | What's a good way of appending arbitrary binary values to a file at the bash prompt? Let's say i wanted to append binary 11111111 |
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| 17:05.31 | abrotman | abchirk: ? |
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| 17:06.41 | abchirk | is it possible to change the debian version in any file...? So when downloading mozilla or else.. that he is adding this version to mozilla and all other programs, which show a version abrotman |
| 17:06.58 | abrotman | to change or to see ? |
| 17:07.17 | steffan | Is there a simple command to completely remove MySQL on debian? |
| 17:07.24 | steffan | I just noticed it's installed x_x |
| 17:07.25 | abchirk | abrotman, which is to see for others. |
| 17:07.37 | dotCOMmie | pabs3: the dist-upgrade is scary looking d: |
| 17:07.57 | abrotman | abchirk: there is /etc/debian_version ? |
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| 17:08.31 | dotCOMmie | http://pastebin.com/m3e138067 |
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| 17:09.15 | jwein`it | hello |
| 17:09.28 | g00se | steffan: you did use aptitude didn't you? |
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| 17:09.34 | abchirk | ehm abrotman if this is used for installing firefox with this version... its good. I want to have another version to the internet itself, like in apache logs. Do you know what I mean abrotman? |
| 17:09.57 | abrotman | nope |
| 17:10.02 | dotCOMmie | kde4 depends on mysql? |
| 17:10.08 | abrotman | you want the browser to report which version of debian you're using ? |
| 17:10.13 | abrotman | dotCOMmie: i think kmail ? |
| 17:11.05 | steffan | g00se: apt-get |
| 17:11.11 | abchirk | abrotman, yes, but not the real one |
| 17:11.20 | abchirk | so a "fake version" :P |
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| 17:11.43 | abrotman | so you want to change the iceweasel user agent string ? |
| 17:11.46 | abchirk | but also, when I am using ftp or other clients which show the OS-version to the remote server |
| 17:11.56 | dotCOMmie | abrotman: ah, kind of silly |
| 17:11.58 | abchirk | abrotman, but not only the string |
| 17:12.11 | abrotman | dotCOMmie: aptitude why foo |
| 17:12.19 | abrotman | abchirk: then i'm confused |
| 17:12.22 | abchirk | all what is there... :) if its gecko.... or IE. |
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| 17:13.08 | dotCOMmie | abrotman: foo has to be installed |
| 17:13.15 | dotCOMmie | abrotman: ? |
| 17:13.19 | abrotman | dotCOMmie: yes |
| 17:14.12 | abchirk | abrotman, to change the complete version... not only the user agent. |
| 17:14.13 | steffan | I'm guessing I can just remove everything listed in dpkg -l "*mysql*" |
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| 17:14.33 | valdyn | steffan: probably not |
| 17:14.49 | steffan | valdyn: :o |
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| 17:19.16 | steffan | Are processes like 1403 ? 00:00:00 php-cgi, caused by my web server? |
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| 17:20.03 | NiLon | usually ye |
| 17:20.15 | steffan | My web server is stopped yet they still appear. |
| 17:20.16 | steffan | :x |
| 17:20.50 | avtobiff | steffan, check with pstree |
| 17:21.31 | jmoncayo | hey gus, i am trying to connect to my blacberry with bluetooth, but when i click connect it says, couldnt display obex://[mac], check if the service is available |
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| 17:23.02 | abrotman | abchirk: then it wouldn't be iceweasel anymore |
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| 17:25.16 | themill | abchirk: /msg dpkg iceweasel user-agent |
| 17:25.33 | abchirk | abrotman, yes I know, but for me it would.. :) |
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| 17:26.06 | Throat | is he trying to have a cake and eat it too? |
| 17:26.07 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 17:26.28 | abrotman | abchirk: so you're trying to change the browser, but not change the browser ? |
| 17:26.30 | Posterdati | please, my squeeze distro screewed kde installation :( how can I fix it? |
| 17:26.34 | Throat | ops, my nick... I must be here twice |
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| 17:27.18 | steffan | valdyn: This is the error he is getting (sorry about delay) http://pastie.org/private/urrizihq6p2iahhkuyqbg |
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| 17:27.33 | devel0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:27.44 | markusy | helllo |
| 17:27.44 | abchirk | abrotman, hm yes... to be more anonymus on the internet. :) |
| 17:27.46 | markusy | We have 700 Debian boxes lying around our building, all of them are on GigE (LAN) so speed is not an issue. |
| 17:27.47 | markusy | We are using Debian 5.0 wich a bunch of applications developed against particular versions of Debian libraries and such, we want to set up a repo with the particular libraries versions and such so when something breaks we can apt-get update/upgrade using our LAN repo, whats the best way to go with this? I heard Pinning (apt-pinning) |
| 17:27.47 | abchirk | hi |
| 17:27.51 | valdyn | steffan: that error doesnt mean that gcc is broken |
| 17:28.15 | bookmark | eyes_close on |
| 17:28.19 | bookmark | try this one |
| 17:28.28 | jmoncayo | anyone could help me connect send a file to my ccellphone through bluetooth |
| 17:28.36 | markusy | could someone help me? |
| 17:28.46 | abrotman | !own repo |
| 17:28.46 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./";, or see <reprepro> |
| 17:28.46 | steffan | valdyn: Any idea of a solution? |
| 17:28.48 | steffan | Or anyone. |
| 17:28.54 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 17:29.05 | valdyn | steffan: its easy if you know C, but im not going to get deep into that |
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| 17:29.14 | abrotman | markusy: you would setup your own repository .. and make sure your version is higher than the debian one |
| 17:29.16 | steffan | valdyn: :/ |
| 17:29.28 | valdyn | steffan: unknown symbol is a programming error or a missing library, where missing doesnt mean not installed necessarily |
| 17:29.34 | markusy | abrotman: what about that apt-pinning thing? |
| 17:30.06 | greycat | pinning is for having "lenny, but with a few packages from etch" or similar |
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| 17:30.28 | markusy | greycat: so I would set up my own repo, put the packages in there and never update it, right? |
| 17:30.37 | markusy | we dont want updates in there but static stuff. |
| 17:30.42 | markusy | such as particular libraries versions, etc. |
| 17:30.47 | valdyn | steffan: lets assume that its not a programming or build system error, then you miss a -dev package |
| 17:30.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | abchirk, "tor" |
| 17:31.03 | abrotman | markusy: you don't have to pin if you create packages with the correct version number |
| 17:31.14 | steffan | valdyn: Do you know which one, I'm not sure you can tell? |
| 17:31.15 | abchirk | hm over wlan outsider? :P |
| 17:31.19 | abchirk | -r |
| 17:31.22 | markusy | we are going to use debian packages, official ones |
| 17:31.24 | greycat | steffan: what was your error? |
| 17:31.31 | valdyn | steffan: no, i dont know where those symbols are defined |
| 17:31.38 | steffan | greycat: http://pastie.org/private/urrizihq6p2iahhkuyqbg |
| 17:31.49 | bookmark | that's my mom's name |
| 17:32.13 | greycat | steffan: is build-essential installed? |
| 17:32.34 | greycat | steffan: those looks like DNS (resolver) calls, which AFAIK should be in libc6-dev |
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| 17:33.23 | ryanCH | how can i print upside-down fonts in linux? |
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| 17:34.17 | steffan | greycat: 'build-essential is already the newest version.' |
| 17:34.27 | greycat | steffan: then there's something subtle going on |
| 17:34.39 | bookmark | can you get rid of the icons on your desktop? |
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| 17:35.29 | steffan | greycat: :| |
| 17:35.50 | greycat | steffan: on my sid box, the dn_expand symbol appears to be defined in libresolv, so you might have to link with -lresolv |
| 17:36.03 | serfurj | is there a workaround for the "swapper tainted" kernel bug in lenny? |
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| 17:37.51 | serfurj | it has rendered my fresh install of lenny unusable |
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| 17:38.15 | greycat | I'm not familiar with this kernel bug. Is there a security advisory about it? |
| 17:38.50 | steffan | greycat: I have no idea on how to do this |
| 17:39.20 | greycat | steffan: are you writing your own Makefile, or are you trying to compile some code you got from somewhere, or what? |
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| 17:41.07 | steffan | greycat: It's an IRCd. |
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| 17:42.05 | greycat | steffan: does it use ./configure, or is it an "edit the Makefile and type make" one? |
| 17:42.13 | abrotman | oh he left ... |
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| 17:43.03 | serfurj | greycat: this is the closest i could find http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/8539267730de0592 |
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| 17:44.12 | steffan | greycat: It uses ./Config |
| 17:44.16 | User2 | http://www.Marie-gets-Deflowered.com/?id=576098f2 |
| 17:44.24 | steffan | greycat: but it also uses the -lresolv |
| 17:44.53 | greycat | steffan: it might help if you showed the command that generated that error |
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| 17:45.52 | bolt | running ksimus in xfce, I can't drag and drop to wire components, it seems. I get a dotted line while dragging from a connector, but I can't connect it to anything else :( |
| 17:46.23 | bolt | everything else seems to work... |
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| 17:46.56 | steffan | greycat: 'make' |
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| 17:47.18 | greycat | steffan: but make writes out each command as it executes it. I mean, the command written out by make, like "cc -o ircd foo.o bar.o baz.o -lresolv" |
| 17:47.42 | Zambezi | Anyone with ATI Radeon HD4650? I saw a new card for ATI which I would like, but review from other 4650 is far from hot regarding Linuxdrivers. Your experience? |
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| 17:49.38 | steffan | greycat: http://pastie.org/private/kzvuhtqcuyp9osxnnigoa |
| 17:49.41 | steffan | greycat: then the error. |
| 17:50.39 | greycat | steffan: which version of Debian is this, that has /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 on it? |
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| 17:51.25 | steffan | greycat: It's Debian 5.0, I've installed gcc-3.4 manually, the IRCD requires 3.4 but I also have higher versions installed too |
| 17:52.45 | greycat | The makefile is rather poorly written, since it's putting -O (optimize, a compiler flag) on a linker command, and since it's putting the -o ircd at the end of the command instead of where it usually appears.... |
| 17:53.10 | steffan | Is there a solution? |
| 17:53.17 | greycat | That said, it's not clear to me why you're getting that error. |
| 17:54.29 | greycat | Even the man page explicitly says "Link with -lresolv". |
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| 17:54.53 | steffan | :/ ok thank you! |
| 17:55.14 | greycat | steffan: First thing I would try is not using gcc-3.4 -- just use the higher gcc version that Debian 5.0 ships with. |
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| 17:55.34 | steffan | The IRCD refuses, greycat |
| 17:55.49 | greycat | Have you considered trying a different one? |
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| 17:56.09 | steffan | It's not me, it's a user of my server, greycat |
| 17:56.27 | greycat | Is the original source tarball available? |
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| 17:58.39 | mischievious | hey, right now whenever i install a new item to grub (like a kernel) grub is updated, but i need it to be pointing at hd(0,1) instead of hd(1,1). how can i make it use hd(0,1) by default? |
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| 18:00.18 | jelly-home | mischievious: edit the line that starts with # groot |
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| 18:00.44 | greycat | you might have to tell him which file... |
| 18:00.55 | mischievious | greycat, i know what file, thank you very much |
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| 18:00.59 | jelly-home | mischievious: do _not_ uncomment, just change the value and run update-grub |
| 18:01.00 | mischievious | jelly, must i uncomment it? |
| 18:01.03 | mischievious | ah, alright |
| 18:01.08 | mischievious | thanks much :) |
| 18:01.49 | mischievious | bah, update-grub removed my splashy parameters |
| 18:02.06 | azeem | mischievious: edit the "# kopt" line next time |
| 18:02.09 | azeem | not the "kopt" line |
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| 18:02.19 | greycat | And keep "# kopt" single-commented. |
| 18:02.22 | jelly-home | put them in # kopt= line, mischievious |
| 18:02.37 | jelly-home | still thinks whoever thought of comment-like syntax interspersed with standard grub ought to be shot |
| 18:02.51 | greycat | jelly-home: It is definitely confusing to newbies. |
| 18:03.44 | greycat | And a good chunk of the oldbies too. |
| 18:03.45 | jelly-home | it's confusing to anyone |
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| 18:03.59 | mischievious | hmm, it's intuitive to me |
| 18:04.01 | jelly-home | hacks like these are why Debian gets a bad name with certain upstreams (and downstreams) |
| 18:04.06 | steffan | greycat: Getting a link to it now |
| 18:04.10 | mischievious | it plainly says in the menu.lst what to use for kopt |
| 18:04.27 | jelly-home | mischievious: yeah, it's so intuitive you didn't even have to ask here for help! |
| 18:04.31 | mischievious | like i used # kopt_2_6_29_2_686=root=/dev/sdb2 ro quiet video=intelfb vga=0x315 splash |
| 18:04.53 | mischievious | jelly-home, well, after you said 'what' to look at, i read what was next to it |
| 18:05.14 | jelly-home | mischievious: you're just proving my point ;-) |
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| 18:06.13 | mischievious | jelly-home, sod off :P haha |
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| 18:06.29 | jelly-home | mischievious: you're welcome |
| 18:06.30 | mischievious | jelly-home, thanks though :) now to test splashy! |
| 18:06.44 | steffan | Anyone use lighttpd here? |
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| 18:06.59 | steffan | greycat: http://voyager.starchat.net/apache2-default/StarIRCD-6.0.7.tar.gz |
| 18:07.51 | mischievious | later! |
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| 18:11.15 | steffan | greycat: Did you get that? |
| 18:11.33 | greycat | steffan: yeah, I got the source code. Damn, that ./Config is fucking obnoxious.... |
| 18:11.49 | steffan | :\ |
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| 18:12.57 | greycat | steffan: it blows up with "support.c:150: error: 'struct in_addr' has no member named 's_net'" here. |
| 18:13.35 | jelly-home | greycat: it probably works on freebsd 4.5 or whatnot, where it was last tested |
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| 18:14.39 | greycat | jelly-home: ''should now also compile under Red Hat 5.0" |
| 18:14.43 | greycat | oops, quote mismatch |
| 18:14.49 | jelly-home | teehee. |
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| 18:16.21 | jelly-home | greycat: hey, Red Hat 5.0 and Debian 5.0 are pretty close, versionwise |
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| 18:16.55 | greycat | Even my OpenBSD box only has struct in_addr { in_addr_t s_addr; }; |
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| 18:17.39 | greycat | Ditto for HP-UX 10.20. |
| 18:17.40 | jelly-home | greycat: the union was reduced... for security reasons. |
| 18:17.43 | omid8bimo | hello everyone. i have one prolem which i can't solve. please help. i've installed a motorola FXO telecom card on my server, and i can't get it's module running. i get IRQ conflict i think |
| 18:17.46 | jelly-home | hides |
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| 18:18.37 | greycat | The comment right above the line of code that uses the "s_net" struct element has a timestamp of 11/90 on it. |
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| 18:19.22 | valdyn | steffan: maybe you should talk your user out of this |
| 18:19.28 | greycat | steffan: how did you ever get past the "s_net" stuff? |
| 18:20.17 | jelly-home | greycat: it makes me want to find Ultrix installation images and try install it in qemu! |
| 18:20.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, I think the usual solution is to have a different file create the conf-file, instead of this double-comment nightmare... and a comment in the conf-file to not edit this file, but file XXX |
| 18:20.50 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: indeed, it looks like Debian went that way with grub2 |
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| 18:21.07 | xingu | greycat: s_net, that dates back to the halcyon days, when the IMP was a new thing, and cisco was but a gleam in arpanet's eye |
| 18:21.34 | jelly-home | xingu: isn't irc like 1993? |
| 18:21.35 | greycat | I see the word "imp" in a comment block marked "OBSOLETE" in some random thing that Google came up with, but I have no idea what kind of imp this is. |
| 18:21.48 | greycat | jelly-home: no, 1990 is about right. |
| 18:21.55 | xingu | greycat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interface_Message_Processor <-- this kind. |
| 18:21.59 | greycat | jelly-home: I definitely saw IRC in use in college, before 1993. |
| 18:22.13 | xingu | I used irc in '91 |
| 18:22.34 | jelly-home | omg rfc1 |
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| 18:25.39 | xingu | in fact, one of my quips in irc made it into an archive used for random email .sig's |
| 18:25.49 | xingu | still makes me chuckle when I see it pop up from time to time |
| 18:26.08 | jelly-home | you're history, pal |
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| 18:29.15 | xingu | hah! eat my s_net-having studly sol10 netinet/in.h :) |
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| 18:29.23 | xingu | I bet that code would compile here :) |
| 18:29.39 | pasteeater | should i put custom kernel lines outside of "BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" in grub menu.lst? |
| 18:29.49 | jelly-home | pasteeater: yes. |
| 18:30.15 | greycat | pasteeater: you can put them before that, or after "### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" |
| 18:30.31 | greycat | depending on whether you want them before or after the auto-list |
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| 18:31.09 | pasteeater | jelly-home, greycat: thanks. |
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| 18:32.22 | jelly-home | pasteeater: you can also remove all that crap and deal with menu.lst in a normal (albeit more manual) way |
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| 18:32.54 | orion_X11 | I have 2 network cards eth0 and eth1 and I want only eth1 to load at boot time. What should I do in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0? I guess that I have to put "noauto eth0" there. Am I right? |
| 18:33.34 | jelly-home | orion_X11: it is enough to just not put "auto eth0" in (comment it out or delete it) |
| 18:33.35 | orion_X11 | Or Do I have to comment that > # auto eth0 ? |
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| 18:34.37 | greycat | commenting out "auto eth0" should be enough |
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| 18:34.55 | legrand | /whoami |
| 18:35.32 | orion_X11 | jelly-home: But, does that accept "noauto" also? |
| 18:35.38 | Havalina | hello! |
| 18:35.40 | Havalina | newbie here |
| 18:35.50 | legrand | ooops... I rather wanted to know if somebody has some experience with Q45 (intel) boards and debian lenny, especially the D045CB? |
| 18:36.22 | legrand | well, I mean the DQ45CB, of course. |
| 18:37.14 | Havalina | im trying to configure a web server control panel..but im getting some errors...i was told to configure the sources.list but what shell based text editor do i have in debian? |
| 18:37.28 | Havalina | per default |
| 18:37.32 | greycat | Havalina: nano is there by default; you probably also have some version of vi |
| 18:37.57 | greycat | although it might be a small subset of vi |
| 18:37.58 | Havalina | greycat: what is the most simple of thoese two? |
| 18:38.05 | greycat | nano will be easier to learn |
| 18:38.21 | legrand | Havalina: I'd propose mc (midnight commander). easy to find files as well |
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| 18:39.03 | Havalina | legrand: im pritty n00bish when it comes to shell commands :) is mc installed as default normally? |
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| 18:39.09 | zaphod | hi |
| 18:39.17 | omid8bimo | anyone? |
| 18:39.29 | omid8bimo | hello everyone. i have one prolem which i can't solve. please help. i've installed a motorola FXO telecom card on my server, and i can't get it's module running. i get IRQ conflict i think |
| 18:39.32 | legrand | Havakina: usually not: aptitude install mc |
| 18:39.41 | zaphod | can someone tell me how to set a package to configured (it is half-configured and broken, will not configure, but I have another package depending on it) |
| 18:39.52 | xingu | greycat: wanna see something really scary? http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/UserInfo/Resources/Hardware/IBMp690/IBM/usr/share/man/info/en_US/a_doc_lib/aixprggd/progcomc/ch12_xns.htm |
| 18:39.55 | omid8bimo | how can i resolve irq issue for a pci device on debian? i tried bios stuff |
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| 18:40.11 | xingu | greycat: s_host/ s_net are leftovers from xns address family. :) |
| 18:40.16 | valdyn | omid8bimo: plug into different slots |
| 18:40.35 | omid8bimo | valdyn: i did, not luck |
| 18:40.37 | zaphod | (texlive... I don't care about it, it just makes apt-get useless, as it takes 5min everytime it tries to configure the package) |
| 18:40.40 | valdyn | omid8bimo: im not sure however why would would think its an irq conflict |
| 18:40.52 | valdyn | omid8bimo: thats rare on pci, its a hardware bug |
| 18:40.56 | zaphod | I'm really just looking for a quick and dirty hack |
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| 18:41.07 | Havalina | legrand: is that the command i need to install mc? |
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| 18:41.32 | valdyn | !refcard |
| 18:41.32 | dpkg | i guess refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 18:41.33 | legrand | Havalina: yes. as root from the command line |
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| 18:41.53 | greycat | I would suggest that learning how to operate a few simple text editors is time well invested. |
| 18:42.00 | omid8bimo | valdyn: cat /proc/interrupts don't list it but lspci -v says it uses irq 18 but irq 18 is used by firewire and usb according to /proc/interrupts |
| 18:42.12 | valdyn | omid8bimo: thats not a problem |
| 18:42.24 | Havalina | lol |
| 18:42.27 | greycat | IRQs can be shared with PCI devices. |
| 18:42.31 | Havalina | and one other thing |
| 18:42.38 | valdyn | omid8bimo: /proc/interrupts only lists interrupts which are actually used by drivers |
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| 18:42.41 | Havalina | can i change de default language of my installation? |
| 18:42.54 | Havalina | right now its german |
| 18:42.58 | valdyn | omid8bimo: while lspci lists interrupts that the devices use. Obviously you have no driver |
| 18:43.14 | greycat | Havalina: http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 18:43.27 | omid8bimo | so i load the wcfxo module but i get these error at dmesg NOTICE-wcfxo: WCFXO/1: Unknown DAA chip revision: REVB=0 |
| 18:43.30 | omid8bimo | wcfxo: probe of 0000:01:02.0 failed with error -5 |
| 18:43.34 | omid8bimo | Failed to initialize DAA, giving up... |
| 18:43.45 | valdyn | omid8bimo: thas a clear message |
| 18:43.52 | valdyn | omid8bimo: driver does not support your hardware |
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| 18:44.11 | Havalina | greycat: i will try that...i would be really irritated looking at a german version of nano |
| 18:44.13 | omid8bimo | damn |
| 18:44.31 | greycat | Havalina: it should be enough to type "LANG=C" and press enter, to make the language English for the rest of that shell session. |
| 18:44.32 | valdyn | omid8bimo: ask your vendor about linux support |
| 18:44.41 | valdyn | omid8bimo: if its expensive hardware he would help you anyway |
| 18:44.47 | greycat | Configuring it premanently takes a few more steps. |
| 18:45.05 | omid8bimo | valdyn: so if i reinstall the asterisk/zaptel software, could it solve it? |
| 18:45.25 | Havalina | greycat: ah :) |
| 18:45.26 | Havalina | thanks |
| 18:45.28 | omid8bimo | it's voip system actually |
| 18:45.52 | zaphod | hmm |
| 18:46.08 | Havalina | hehe two more questions >_< |
| 18:46.21 | Havalina | what is the normaly keyboard binding for ^ |
| 18:46.57 | xingu | heh, ipv6 addresses resemble xns addresses rather too closely :) |
| 18:47.24 | greycat | Havalina: in US, shift-6 |
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| 18:48.08 | Havalina | greycat: hmm im in denmark :P and do you mean press shift and 6? and for example x for exiting nano |
| 18:48.23 | greycat | OH. |
| 18:48.24 | salman | greetings |
| 18:48.28 | greycat | ^x means Ctrl-x |
| 18:48.49 | Havalina | greycat: ahh |
| 18:48.51 | Havalina | thanks :) |
| 18:48.54 | Havalina | last thing |
| 18:49.01 | Havalina | where do i find sources.list? |
| 18:49.15 | greycat | /etc/apt/ |
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| 18:49.54 | clebig | hello |
| 18:50.13 | Lagbolt | if i use debian64 and want to use 32bit lib via /emul/ia32-linux can i just install with apt selecting arch or do i have to unpack them into emul? |
| 18:50.26 | Havalina | greycat: thanks again! |
| 18:50.40 | Havalina | this is amazingly helpfull! |
| 18:50.41 | Havalina | :) |
| 18:50.44 | salman | I am having problems with new kernel. The kernel that is working fine with me is: 2.6.22-2-686. all newer ones have some display problem. the graphics look blur and display refresh shows lots of 'scratch' like effect |
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| 18:51.22 | clebig | guys, I have a question, in debian distro, which program parse the /etc/network/interfaces file ? |
| 18:51.49 | jelly-home | Lagbolt: neither, debian isn't really good at multiarch, but has several prepackaged 32bit libs in packages named starting with ia32- |
| 18:52.22 | Lagbolt | jelly, well i was following http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Running_32-bit_Applications_on_64-bit_Debian_GNU/Linux looking at the ia32 suite instructions |
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| 18:52.35 | clebig | I ask that because I'm looking to the ucarp sources, and we can create a ucarp configuration without invoking ucarp command, just in putting some lines in intefaces file like ucarp-vid etc... |
| 18:52.59 | Lagbolt | just thought maybe apt was smart enough to put them into the emul dir on its own . . . wishful thinking? |
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| 18:53.28 | jelly-home | Lagbolt: yep. If you need anything complex, build a separate chroot |
| 18:54.05 | Lagbolt | jelly-home, thanks! |
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| 18:54.31 | jelly-home | Lagbolt: debian-multimedia has some more ia32-* packages for common binary-only apps |
| 18:55.14 | Lagbolt | excellent. i am very pleased with the 64bit debian so far. no problems. |
| 18:55.45 | Lagbolt | jelly-home, looks like all i needed was apt-file to find ia32-libs-gtk :) |
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| 19:05.32 | Havalina | does any of you have experiences with virtualmin? |
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| 19:06.06 | TaiSHi | Uhm... SASL2 on debian unstable is ignoring /usr/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf |
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| 19:06.11 | TaiSHi | (Hello btw) |
| 19:06.21 | TaiSHi | Is there any specific place to put that file ? |
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| 19:08.47 | zahna | for those of your with many machines: how do you manage package updates? |
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| 19:09.56 | greycat | squid proxy, and lots of ssh-ing and manually typing apt-get. |
| 19:10.06 | greycat | depends on how many "lots" is. |
| 19:10.12 | _19LIONZ_ | hi , I'm installing Lenny for a friend . Is there a way to accelerate apt-get downloads like using accel or smth ? |
| 19:10.40 | zahna | greycat: seriously? for me lots == >50. |
| 19:10.56 | greycat | in that case you might want to look into some sort of "distributed ssh" thingy |
| 19:11.08 | greycat | where you can type a command once and it executes on 30 machines. |
| 19:11.25 | zahna | well, i'm wanting to avoid that, which is why i'm asking the channel what they do |
| 19:11.43 | greycat | Fair enough. I gave my answer (where "lots" is about 10). |
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| 19:14.09 | _19LIONZ_ | Can I use axel(or smth similar) to fetch debian packages ? |
| 19:15.24 | greycat | apt-get has its own http retrieval code. |
| 19:15.30 | greycat | If your 'axel' thing is like a squid proxy, then you can point apt-get at it. |
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| 19:17.28 | _19LIONZ_ | greycat: no , axel is just a cli download accelerator . What I'm trying to do is use multiple connections to download the same http/ftp link |
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| 19:18.02 | greycat | !stop prozilla |
| 19:18.02 | dpkg | somebody said stop prozilla was http://dominia.org/djao/limitipconn.html -- an apache module to limit concurrent connections from a single IP address, or apt-get install libapache-mod-limitipconn |
| 19:18.14 | greycat | Awww, not enough swearing. |
| 19:18.21 | Havalina | could any of you helpfull people tell me what you can conclude from this "error" message: |
| 19:18.24 | Havalina | http://pastebin.com/d110006ff |
| 19:18.40 | Havalina | it ends with a "E:Broken packages" |
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| 19:19.36 | greycat | I conclude "you didn't tell us what you typed, or what version of Debian you're on, or what sources you're trying to pull from..." |
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| 19:19.44 | _19LIONZ_ | The package manager of the distro I'm running gives me the ability to use external utils to fetch packages(wget/curl/axel/aria2 ... you name it) |
| 19:20.26 | TaiSHi | Uhm.. damn sasl... sql_select option missing |
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| 19:20.46 | Havalina | greycat: firstly its debian 4...secondly i typed "apt-get install virtualmin-base" and i used the following sources: |
| 19:20.52 | Havalina | deb http://software.virtualmin.com/gpl/debian/ virtualmin-lenny main |
| 19:20.54 | Havalina | deb http://software.virtualmin.com/gpl/debian/ virtualmin-universal main |
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| 19:21.24 | Havalina | is there a problem cause its debian 4 im trying this on? |
| 19:21.34 | Shockcore | To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
| 19:21.38 | Shockcore | what does that means? |
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| 19:21.43 | Shockcore | 5.0.1 ? |
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| 19:22.06 | jpinx-eeepc | if I chmod o+rwx and then chown to another user, the rwx should apply to the new user - right? |
| 19:22.13 | jelly-home | Havalina: "lenny" implies your third party repo packages are made for debian 5 |
| 19:22.14 | stew | Havalina: "lenny" indicates debian 5 not debian 4 |
| 19:22.14 | greycat | Havalina: Lenny is debian 5.0, so "virtualmin-lenny" is probably the wrong source for an etch system. |
| 19:22.30 | Havalina | ahhh |
| 19:22.33 | Havalina | that could be an issue |
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| 19:22.45 | stew | Shockcore: by "ask me about <point release>" it means you should "/msg dpkg point release" |
| 19:22.46 | jelly-home | well, first* party packages :-) |
| 19:22.56 | mrskynet | im running debain lenny + apache 2 , when i got to <domain > i get The requested URL / was not found on this server what does this mean ? |
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| 19:23.21 | Havalina | hmm well my VPS host admin module tells me that debian 5 is currently not avaible |
| 19:23.24 | Havalina | hmm |
| 19:23.47 | thrashold | Where can I read how can I add files to packages built with debuild? I tried creating debian directory with dh_make, but the packages contain no files. |
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| 19:24.02 | greycat | Havalina: see if your package has an etch repository |
| 19:24.20 | greycat | !etch |
| 19:24.20 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support will continue until about February 2010; now is the time to start planning your upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Also ask me about <oldstable>, <oldstable security>, <install etch>, <etch release notes>. Currently <4.0r8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch |
| 19:24.50 | thrashold | Everything is installed in debian/tmp and is there, but the packages themselves contain just some debian stuff |
| 19:25.46 | Havalina | greycat: ah...and i actually think it had a etch reporsitory |
| 19:26.26 | Havalina | this seems to work now |
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| 19:26.30 | Havalina | fantastic |
| 19:26.39 | Havalina | but i will let it finish before i dance with joy |
| 19:26.53 | thrashold | Hm, I think I saw why. Is there any other way to specify file patterns, other than wildcards? Or at least wildcards to match slashes? |
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| 19:27.43 | Havalina | its getting a lot of files now |
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| 19:28.06 | Havalina | greycat: thanks again! |
| 19:28.07 | Havalina | :) |
| 19:28.42 | aditya | hey all :) |
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| 19:30.37 | TaiSHi | Anyone getting this error with SASL2? postfix/smtpd[17309]: sql_select option missing |
| 19:30.38 | Havalina | is it a disadvantage to use deb4 over debian 5? |
| 19:30.50 | Shockcore | stew it dosent say how to upgrade from lenny to lennyr1 |
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| 19:31.01 | greycat | Debian 4.0 will stop receiving security updates some day (see the factoid). |
| 19:31.12 | greycat | Once that happens you're on your own. |
| 19:31.12 | Shockcore | i tried put lennyr1 or 5.0.1 in sources.list |
| 19:31.18 | stew | Shockcore: do you have a deb line for security.debian.org in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 19:31.23 | greycat | Shockcore: it's just called "lenny" |
| 19:31.25 | Shockcore | yes |
| 19:31.27 | stew | Shockcore: for updates/lenny |
| 19:31.32 | Shockcore | ah ok |
| 19:31.32 | stew | Shockcore: then "aptitude upgrade" |
| 19:31.39 | Shockcore | its automatic |
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| 19:31.46 | Shockcore | its not like etch->lenny |
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| 19:33.41 | Havalina | oh okay |
| 19:34.10 | Havalina | hmm and this install is keeping me in troubles |
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| 19:34.35 | jasyl | Why do I get things in /etc/init.d/ that aren't even installed? |
| 19:34.45 | greycat | Were they previously installed? |
| 19:34.51 | jasyl | Maybe. |
| 19:34.52 | Havalina | i need to configure mailman...i choose language...but i get a permission denied...and i am not allowed to go any further |
| 19:34.58 | jasyl | It's safe to remove them, then? |
| 19:35.07 | Havalina | /dev/mem permission denied even :S |
| 19:35.07 | greycat | If you --removed them but not --purged, the configuration files are left behind. /etc/init.d/* count as configuration files. |
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| 19:35.37 | greycat | jasyl: you can also do "dpkg -l | grep ^rc" to see which ones are removed but not purged |
| 19:35.39 | inckie | anyone here, who is good at writing install guides ? |
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| 19:35.56 | jasyl | greycat: is there a dpkg command for auto-removing them? |
| 19:35.57 | jasyl | cleaning it up |
| 19:36.26 | Havalina | is there a default way to skip things like a package configuration screen? :) |
| 19:36.34 | deus___ | What's the easiest way to share Files over LAN? Samba? FTP? |
| 19:36.34 | greycat | I could cobble together a hack using awk... not sure if there's a simpler one. |
| 19:36.42 | cognitiaclaeves | On lenny, in a path with rwxr-s--- root jae, with umask 0137, touching a file creates a file with -rw-r--r--. Is that correct behavior? Is there something I'm missing. I don't want everyone to be able to read the file I'm creating. |
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| 19:36.50 | greycat | deus___: if it's between two Unix/Linux systems, NFS. |
| 19:36.59 | jasyl | greycat: the list isn't too big from dpkg -l | grep ^rc, what command should i use to remove the listed items |
| 19:37.00 | greycat | deus___: if one of the boxes is Windows, Samba. |
| 19:37.12 | greycat | jasyl: dpkg --purge pkgname pkgname ... |
| 19:37.13 | deus___ | greycat: It's Lenny, twice. |
| 19:37.18 | deus___ | greycat: thank you, I'll have a look |
| 19:37.23 | jasyl | greycat: that will remove them from initd. too? |
| 19:37.26 | thrashold | No, it's not the wildcards. So, how does one add files to a Debian package, what should you do in the debian directory? |
| 19:37.27 | jasyl | init.d* |
| 19:37.30 | greycat | jasyl: yes |
| 19:38.33 | greycat | thrashold: you put things like $(install_exec) safecat $(bindir) in the appropriate target in the debian/rules script |
| 19:39.24 | jasyl | greycat: thank you |
| 19:39.50 | thrashold | greycat: So the files in debian/tmp are not automatically added to packages using the wildcard patterns in <package_name>.install ? |
| 19:40.06 | greycat | thrashold: no |
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| 19:40.22 | greycat | At least not in the few packages I've worked with. |
| 19:40.34 | thrashold | OK, thanks :) |
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| 19:45.29 | cognitiaclaeves | was my question unlcear or inappropriate to the channel?: in a path with rwxr-s--- root jae, with umask 0137, sudo-touching a file creates a file with -rw-r--r--. Is that correct behavior? Is there something I'm missing? I don't want everyone to be able to read the file I'm creating. |
| 19:45.55 | greycat | cognitiaclaeves: perhaps sudo clears your umask? |
| 19:46.22 | greycat | cognitiaclaeves: what does sudo sh -c umask say? |
| 19:47.13 | jasyl | greycat: Where are all the default settings for 'adduser' defined? |
| 19:47.32 | cognitiaclaeves | I see. That's not desired behavior for what I want to do. ... hmm... |
| 19:47.46 | cognitiaclaeves | thanks, greycat. I guess that should have been obvious. |
| 19:47.53 | greycat | jasyl: man adduser -> FILES |
| 19:48.01 | nsadmin | jasyl: useradd has some defaults as well |
| 19:48.20 | nsadmin | which adduser calls |
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| 19:49.16 | greycat | yes, also see "man useradd" -> FILES |
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| 19:50.26 | jasyl | greycat: Thank you! I don't really understand the point of groups, though? |
| 19:50.27 | jasyl | :| |
| 19:50.42 | greycat | Groups let you assign privileges to a whole bunch of people at once. |
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| 19:51.05 | jasyl | Can you move users that are already created, to a new group? |
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| 19:51.13 | greycat | You might have a file that you only want "secretaries" to be able to read. So you make a new group, make the file readable only by that group, then put all the secretaries in that group. |
| 19:51.14 | jasyl | Atm, new users have their own group each |
| 19:51.26 | greycat | Users can be in multiple groups. |
| 19:51.33 | greycat | Up to 32 or so, I think. |
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| 19:51.48 | jasyl | How do I view a user's group, move the user to a new group, etc? |
| 19:51.57 | greycat | jasyl: /etc/group |
| 19:52.04 | greycat | jasyl: and /etc/passwd |
| 19:52.14 | nsadmin | look at groupadd, groupmod, groupdel |
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| 19:52.20 | TaiSHi | greycat, I've seen that you're quite a skilled sysadmin |
| 19:52.22 | nsadmin | look at adduser |
| 19:52.22 | greycat | and "man 5 passwd", "man 5 group" |
| 19:52.24 | TaiSHi | May I ask you something ? |
| 19:52.31 | nsadmin | you just did |
| 19:52.41 | greycat | You never have to ask permission to ask #debian a question. |
| 19:52.50 | jasyl | ty |
| 19:53.14 | TaiSHi | Thank you for the clarification |
| 19:53.19 | ShaDoW_LnX | Buenas, estoy montando un servidor con lenny en el que solo acedere por ssh como hago para que no arranquen las X al inicio? por que arranca las X y va al GDM pero yo no necesito intente ccambiando el runlevel de 2 (por defecto) a 4 pero aun arrancan las X alguna ayuda? |
| 19:53.21 | nsadmin | you have to get used to how groups (and really the rest of the perms) work |
| 19:53.22 | TaiSHi | Well, I shall procceed |
| 19:53.23 | greycat | !es |
| 19:53.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:53.56 | nsadmin | ShaDoW_LnX: alternatively, you could choose to speak english here |
| 19:54.06 | TaiSHi | I'm trying to use SASL2 with MySQL |
| 19:54.26 | TaiSHi | But I'm receiving this error: postfix/smtpd[17461]: sql_select option missing |
| 19:54.32 | ShaDoW_LnX | nsadmin: sorry.. |
| 19:55.02 | nsadmin | ShaDoW_LnX: no need to be :) I just want you to know your choices |
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| 19:55.20 | jelly-home | TaiSHi: what does your smtp.conf look like? |
| 19:55.22 | greycat | That spanish was just a bit over my ability to understand. |
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| 19:55.48 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 19:55.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 19:56.08 | TaiSHi | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/d7e22f782 |
| 19:56.11 | copper_ | where is the xinitrc file stored? |
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| 19:56.29 | ShaDoW_LnX | I made a dial in server with Debian Lenny and i only need ssh, dont need the X loading, how i can disable that? i try changig the runlevel to 4 but the X's (GDM) still loading, how i can disable the X? |
| 19:56.37 | nsadmin | .xinitrc could be in your home dir (note leading ".") |
| 19:56.46 | greycat | !nodm > ShaDoW_LnX |
| 19:56.51 | greycat | bah, wrong bot. |
| 19:56.53 | adb | copper_: /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
| 19:56.56 | greycat | !tell ShaDoW_LnX about nodm |
| 19:57.19 | nsadmin | which bot likes >? |
| 19:57.23 | greycat | greybot |
| 19:57.23 | justin | ShaDoW_LnX: removing X works too. |
| 19:57.24 | jelly-home | TaiSHi: uh, Debian places that file in /etc/postfix/sasl by default, you've changed that? |
| 19:57.29 | ranix | ShaDoW_LnX: you could just remove gdm |
| 19:57.30 | justin | almost as good as never installing it in the first place |
| 19:57.35 | ranix | ShaDoW_LnX: if you don't need a display manager |
| 19:57.41 | ranix | ShaDoW_LnX: then just start x with startx |
| 19:57.46 | ranix | if you ever need it |
| 19:57.47 | TaiSHi | jelly-home: If I run saslfinger -s it shows the following |
| 19:57.58 | TaiSHi | http://pastebin.com/d2406b80 |
| 19:58.12 | copper_ | ok this is a strange one. i had a modified xinitrc before and recently erased and reformatted my root director and reinstalled debian and its still using my old xinitrc somehow |
| 19:58.29 | greycat | copper_: you're logging in as root? Or someone else? |
| 19:58.45 | copper_ | just a reg. user |
| 19:58.55 | ShaDoW_LnX | ranix: ok thank you. im try unintalling gdm |
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| 19:59.15 | nsadmin | perhaps you have multiple partitions and didn't format them all on reinstall? |
| 19:59.30 | jelly-home | TaiSHi: well, that's certaintly unusual for Debian (but default for upstream, afair). Mine says -- content of /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf -- |
| 19:59.51 | copper_ | would that matter though? so long as i format the partition where the xinitrc is? |
| 20:00.03 | ShaDoW_LnX | ranix: im try to get more recourses....and dont waste in GDM (sorry about my english) |
| 20:00.04 | greycat | copper_: if /home was preserved, that's probably where it is. |
| 20:00.10 | TaiSHi | jelly-home: I just copied smtpd.conf to /etc/postfix/sasl/ |
| 20:00.15 | greycat | copper_: a user's $HOME/.xinitrc file should take precedence over the system-wide default. |
| 20:00.29 | copper_ | ahhh |
| 20:00.37 | TaiSHi | jelly-home: sql_select option missing |
| 20:00.38 | copper_ | it must be the home one |
| 20:00.39 | TaiSHi | Still |
| 20:00.56 | slimg | Is it possible to have Debian 5.0 send the current hostname to the dhcpserver without having to set the hostname statically in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf? |
| 20:01.20 | jelly-home | TaiSHi: I've never used mysql for this. But since you're going via saslauthd, you should be able to use testsaslauthd to test |
| 20:01.26 | ranix | ShaDoW_LnX: no problem, good luck with it |
| 20:01.45 | greycat | slimg: where would the "current hostname" come from? |
| 20:01.52 | TaiSHi | jelly-home: weird thing, again |
| 20:02.03 | greycat | Oh, right, Debian has an /etc/hostname file. |
| 20:02.12 | TaiSHi | jelly-home: It's not calling saslauthd for some reason, it's using auxprop: postfix/smtpd[17552]: auxpropfunc error no mechanism available |
| 20:02.27 | slimg | greycat: /etc/hostnam |
| 20:02.34 | slimg | e |
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| 20:03.15 | slimg | ah, didn't read your correction |
| 20:03.32 | jelly-home | TaiSHi: eh; I don't know whether your smtpd.conf is sane or not |
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| 20:03.38 | nsadmin | slimg: how do you want it to work? |
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| 20:03.48 | TaiSHi | jelly-home: What do you mean by sane ? |
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| 20:04.04 | nsadmin | ! ! sane? |
| 20:04.14 | hoohah | hello. is it okay for me to track both unstable andtesting? I'm using unstable atm, but for some packages like tor and gimp, i need testing. |
| 20:04.15 | SQlvpapir | anyone have a script that allows creating multiple torrents at once? I would ie. ./script dir1 dir2 dir3 or ./script ~/stuff/* |
| 20:04.18 | jelly-home | TaiSHi: making any sense |
| 20:04.26 | greycat | hoohah: yes, you can do that. /msg dpkg pinning |
| 20:04.27 | jelly-home | TaiSHi: you can also stop saslauthd service, add -d to its command line, start it again and test with testsaslauthd from another terminal |
| 20:04.36 | hoohah | will it be fine to mix the two, until matter is resolved in sid? |
| 20:04.48 | justin | SQlvpapir: such a program comes with the original bittorrent client |
| 20:04.49 | hoohah | greycat: do i still need pinning if sid was on there first? |
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| 20:04.54 | greycat | hoohah: if the dependencies can be resolved, yes. |
| 20:04.59 | TaiSHi | jelly-home: I will change my smtpd.conf to auxprop to avoid possible saslauthd issues |
| 20:04.59 | hoohah | greycat: i can just do apt-get install gimp/testing, right? |
| 20:05.03 | nsadmin | hoohah: maybe... but better off you build the packages from their source |
| 20:05.06 | greycat | hoohah: maybe. I'm not sure. |
| 20:05.27 | slimg | nsadmin: I'd like to put "send host-name default;" into /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf , and the dhclient3 would replace default with whatever /etc/hostname contains |
| 20:05.39 | hoohah | nsadmin: ah. so even if the bins aren't avail, the src should be? |
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| 20:05.47 | hoohah | i don't mind building from source |
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| 20:06.14 | nsadmin | hoohah: should be... and will be if all you install is from main |
| 20:06.37 | SQlvpapir | justin: thanks.. I'll have a look |
| 20:06.39 | slimg | nsadmin: So if I'll change hostname, I'd just have to edit /etc/hostname |
| 20:06.41 | hoohah | well i use non-free and contrib, but these non-sid packages are all from main |
| 20:06.43 | ranix | gimp evangelizes pretty quickly, sometimes it's better to build from source |
| 20:06.55 | greycat | slimg: I don't know whether it's possible to put variable expressions in the dhcp3 config file. If it isn't, you might have to write a boot script that does the substitution for you. |
| 20:07.00 | hoohah | ranix: what do you mean 'evangilizes'? |
| 20:07.03 | hoohah | makes me like it? |
| 20:07.06 | nsadmin | does gimp have anything in non-free? |
| 20:07.17 | hoohah | dunno |
| 20:07.23 | slimg | mkay, thanks for the info greycat |
| 20:07.30 | ranix | convert - cause to adopt a new or different faith; "The missionaries converted the Indian population" |
| 20:07.46 | hoohah | didn't know software could do that |
| 20:07.47 | hoohah | :D |
| 20:07.48 | TaiSHi | jelly-home: still no clue |
| 20:08.09 | nsadmin | ranix: and how do you mean that in this context? |
| 20:08.18 | zepho2 | abrotman: i let the machine run without ever starting X, it also loses the screen after a while. so it probably wasn't an ati X driver problem after all. |
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| 20:08.31 | ranix | gimp seems to change focus rapidly and dramatically somewhat frequently, and suddenly has a feature or interface for a feature very different than the one before |
| 20:08.48 | ranix | I'm assuming because of a new developer joining the project with new keen ideas or something |
| 20:08.48 | abrotman | zepho2: uh .. what? |
| 20:08.51 | zepho2 | i guess i'll switch the card soon |
| 20:08.59 | abrotman | zepho2: oh gotcha |
| 20:09.01 | zepho2 | from yesterday ;) |
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| 20:09.05 | hoohah | ranix: hm, so this webkit thing should be resolvable by building frmo source, right? |
| 20:09.08 | abrotman | sorry .. kind of out of left field :) |
| 20:10.59 | nsadmin | hoohah: so when you do build from source, you have a coupla overall choices... you can build things just like you would in any unixalike... or you can build packages from debianized sources |
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| 20:11.07 | nsadmin | the latter is less messy |
| 20:11.51 | nsadmin | use the former if you want debian's packaging system to have zero control over the stuff you build |
| 20:11.58 | jelly-home | TaiSHi: http://www.nervous.it/txt/Postfix-SMTP-AUTH-4-DUMMIES.html seems to provide some (outdated) clues; they go saslauthd + pam + pam-mysql way |
| 20:12.09 | hoohah | i'll only be using debian sources |
| 20:12.31 | hoohah | for other stuff i just use xstow |
| 20:12.49 | nsadmin | ahh ok, you've already made your choice |
| 20:13.16 | hoohah | yep. exit door and save trinity :) |
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| 20:14.30 | jelly-home | TaiSHi: note the issues with Debian's default chroot setup in the Q&A section |
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| 20:15.53 | TaiSHi | jelly-home: no chroot env atm, and postfix isn't the issue |
| 20:16.01 | TaiSHi | jelly-home: sasldblistusers2 sends the same error |
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| 20:16.38 | TaiSHi | jelly-home: sasldblistusers2: sql_select option missing |
| 20:17.04 | jelly-home | TaiSHi: you always have strace ;-) |
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| 20:17.14 | TaiSHi | jelly-home: ?? |
| 20:17.19 | nsadmin | so maybe sql_select changed what options it requires |
| 20:17.31 | jelly-home | TaiSHi: to see what a process is doing |
| 20:17.36 | jelly-home | !strace |
| 20:17.36 | dpkg | strace is, like, a system call tracing utility or a way to produce lots and lots of cryptic text. Most usefully called with something like "strace -f -F -e open -o logfile program_you_want_to_monitor" (-e open just monitors opened files - omit this option or consult the manpage for alternatives if you want to monitor anything else) |
| 20:17.54 | asdjhj | !date |
| 20:17.54 | dpkg | The current date is 2009.05.18 20:17:54 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
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| 20:18.33 | hoohah | nsadmin: i've noticed that apt-get source -b does not build for my particular arch (amd64) |
| 20:18.41 | TaiSHi | jelly-home: thank you, will take a peek at the logfile |
| 20:18.47 | hoohah | nsadmin: these debian srcs don't have anything defined for that, does it? |
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| 20:18.56 | greycat | hoohah: if your userspace is i386, it builds for that |
| 20:19.03 | hoohah | greycat: okay |
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| 20:20.45 | Vyrus001 | w/ 14 |
| 20:20.52 | jelly-home | TaiSHi: also I'm not sure sasldblistusers2 does what you want it to |
| 20:21.14 | jelly-home | "sasldblistusers2 is used to list the users in the SASL password database (usually /etc/sasldb2). This will NOT list all the users in /etc/passwd, shadow, PAM, etc. only those created by SASL (via saslpasswd2)." |
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| 20:21.31 | enouf | !wb dpkg |
| 20:21.31 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dpkg has returned! |
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| 20:21.53 | YayImCool | Hello |
| 20:22.10 | hoohah | say, with tor, apt-get build-dep tor && apt-get source -b tor.. gives me the deb package i need. However upon installation, I notice that a dependency is missing (tsocks.) Is there a deb tool that will automatically install deps needed for pkg-built-from-source to be installed? |
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| 20:22.26 | YayImCool | What is debian? |
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| 20:22.31 | jelly-home | TaiSHi: if you've gotten rid of debian's chroot stuff in master.conf, you might as well ask about stuff in #postfix ;-) |
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| 20:22.54 | enouf | naibed spelled backwards |
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| 20:23.04 | hoohah | my main reference is http://www.cyberciti.biz/ref/apt-dpkg-ref.html. I can't find any info on that page |
| 20:23.05 | ttl- | YayImCool: A linux distribution |
| 20:23.53 | mentor | How do I make my AHCI hosted optical drive get handled as a SCSI disk device? It's being picked up by sg (SCSI general) but not by sd-mod (SCSI disk) |
| 20:24.05 | ttl- | mount says /dev/hdc1 is mounted as root and there is no /dev/hdc device |
| 20:24.10 | ttl- | lol |
| 20:24.53 | hoohah | argh, aptitude still lists as tor-to-be-removed due to missing libevent1 package |
| 20:25.12 | hoohah | there's a libevent-1* package, just not exactly the same name |
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| 20:26.53 | TaiSHi | jelly-home: the only "weird" thing is: 18098 open("DB_CONFIG", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 20:26.58 | nsadmin | hoohah: try building that libevent lib too |
| 20:27.02 | ttl- | i installed latest testing with a P-ATA disc connected to secondary master, after install i connected the disc to the primary master and the system boots fine but mount says /dev/hdc is mounted as / |
| 20:27.16 | ttl- | strange |
| 20:27.18 | SQlvpapir | justin: thanks.. I'll have a look |
| 20:27.22 | SQlvpapir | woups |
| 20:27.32 | ttl- | it's in /etc/fstab yes |
| 20:27.34 | SQlvpapir | justin: btmakemetafile does not allow * for input |
| 20:27.39 | enouf | ttl-: BIOS settings |
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| 20:27.48 | ttl- | but there is no /dev/hdc |
| 20:27.51 | ttl- | lol |
| 20:28.23 | nsadmin | hdc? you used the whole drive? |
| 20:28.27 | greycat | You mean "there is no hdc node inside /dev" or "the kernel sees hda but not hdc as shown by dmesg"? |
| 20:28.29 | enouf | i have an hdb with no partition table - it's not seen via grub |
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| 20:28.48 | ttl- | enouf: yes but i find it very strange that mount says /dev/hdc is mounted as / |
| 20:29.00 | enouf | not strange |
| 20:29.05 | ttl- | enouf: is this normal behavior ? |
| 20:29.05 | justin | SQlvpapir: a) that is what shell loops are for. b) there is another bt* script that operates on a directory |
| 20:29.08 | ttl- | ah |
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| 20:29.25 | shepherd | I'm getting porno advertisments from someone in here -...-'' what the f. |
| 20:29.27 | shepherd | yay |
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| 20:29.37 | greycat | shepherd: was it VoLume? |
| 20:29.38 | hoohah | nsadmin: libevent-1.4-2 is already installed (from apt). It just appears that tor looks for libevent1 instead |
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| 20:29.41 | shepherd | greycat: Yes. |
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| 20:29.47 | greycat | Just K-Lined. |
| 20:30.01 | shepherd | I saw that's why I Yayed ;P |
| 20:30.05 | ttl- | enouf: ok, i will just change /etc/fstab and don't break my head on it |
| 20:30.09 | hoohah | nsadmin: the ersion required is in fact older than what's installed |
| 20:30.12 | greycat | I thought it was the sarcastic "yay". |
| 20:30.21 | TaiSHi | shepherd: I thought you yayed because of the advertisements |
| 20:30.57 | shepherd | TaiSHi: hahaha nooo o_o |
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| 20:31.29 | TaiSHi | shepherd: who knows.... a lot of weird people going around |
| 20:31.34 | TaiSHi | and he was called "Volume" |
| 20:31.36 | SQlvpapir | justin: ah bash loop it is |
| 20:31.37 | nsadmin | hoohah: if you're building, you will also need the compiletime part of the lib (name usually ends with -dev) |
| 20:31.39 | SQlvpapir | thank |
| 20:31.39 | SQlvpapir | s |
| 20:31.44 | enouf | ttl-: i have no idea what you're talking about - just sharing my experience |
| 20:31.56 | justin | SQlvpapir: or, use the other bt program that operates on a directory |
| 20:32.12 | hoohah | nsadmin: yep, that was prev installed too |
| 20:32.13 | shepherd | TaiSHi: Yea, I know there's lots of wierd people... getting ads is so annoying though! |
| 20:32.14 | mrskynet | im trying to run a php file on lighttpd i get permission denied -403 ? |
| 20:32.25 | greycat | justin: how *does* one make one of those funky more-than-one-file .torrent files anyway? |
| 20:32.54 | hoohah | nsadmin: i really don't want to force hold the tor package, but apt always marks it for removal due to the 'missing' libevent1 |
| 20:32.55 | greycat | justin: I haven't looked in a few years, but last time I looked, the answer seemed to be "You run Windows and use XYZQJB third-party program". |
| 20:33.26 | enouf | ~$ cat /proc/partitions 3 64 39082680 hdb |
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| 20:33.57 | justin | greycat: hmm? you dont have to do anything |
| 20:33.57 | enouf | no hdb1, hdb2 .... |
| 20:34.00 | justin | greycat: Usage: btmakemetafile <trackerurl> <file> [file...] [params...] |
| 20:34.47 | Tagor | Aftering installing Debian my system is rebuilding the software RAID 1. But it crashes when it's at about 98% of a certain partition, syslog says 'mdadm[2767]: Rebuild80 event detected on md device /dev/md6' and then the system crashed. It just shutdown, any idea what's wrong? |
| 20:34.54 | hoohah | for bugs.debian.org is there a way to view bugs by release? |
| 20:35.02 | hoohah | ie stable v sid? |
| 20:35.40 | ttl- | enouf: installed latest testing netinstall with disk connected to secondary as master (/dev/hdc) after install i wanted to correct my mistake and connected the drive holding the fresh install to the primary ide also as master. |
| 20:36.30 | enouf | ttl-: no mistake - keep it as SM |
| 20:36.31 | ttl- | enouf: the system booted ok but mount still says /dev/hdc is mounted as / while there is no /dev/hdc |
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| 20:37.40 | enouf | ttl-: you're all over the place - your BIOS and bootloader and configs will affect that as well - just leave it where it was |
| 20:38.00 | enouf | who cares |
| 20:38.02 | nsadmin | hoohah: there should be, but I'm not sure that data is kept |
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| 20:38.17 | Jaleks | could someone please give me the 2 easy steps for running svn, creating a user (or setting anon write) and creating a project of an existing directory? |
| 20:38.24 | ttl- | enouf: just changing /etc/fstab did the trick |
| 20:38.26 | ttl- | nm |
| 20:38.34 | enouf | ttl-: sure it did |
| 20:38.44 | nsadmin | Jaleks: step 1, man svn :) |
| 20:39.05 | nsadmin | step 2, think/evaluate |
| 20:39.30 | Jaleks | nsadmin: step 2 reading, 3 trying and staying weird cuase no write access :-/ |
| 20:39.32 | greycat | Why does he assume there are precisely two steps? |
| 20:39.50 | greycat | Particularly when his question had 3 parts? |
| 20:39.51 | nsadmin | no write access to what?\ |
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| 20:40.01 | enouf | calls 1-800-do-me-now ... fixes everything |
| 20:40.09 | Tagor | Anyone? :( |
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| 20:41.23 | Jaleks | uh, sry |
| 20:41.28 | nsadmin | Jaleks: so you've been trying this already... good... it's better since now you're starting to share your particular situation ("inability to write") |
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| 20:41.55 | Jaleks | more precisely, i did 'svnadmin create svn; cd svn; svnserve -d' |
| 20:42.03 | Jaleks | the config files are these: http://paste.debian.net/36520/ |
| 20:42.48 | Jaleks | and when i try to 'import' (through eSVN) it says i am not authorized |
| 20:43.22 | nsadmin | ok, this is multiple users on that machine, yes? |
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| 20:43.50 | Jaleks | not really, just me and me as root at the moment |
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| 20:44.40 | nsadmin | ok, so you want to look at the file permissions of the thing it's trying to write to |
| 20:44.59 | nsadmin | who did you run svnadmin as? |
| 20:45.08 | Jaleks | as myself |
| 20:45.18 | greycat | Why does #subversion say "/join #svn !" and then /list #svn shows nothing? |
| 20:45.23 | enouf | is himself |
| 20:45.32 | nsadmin | I am I |
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| 20:45.42 | nsadmin | and I look like myself! |
| 20:45.56 | Jaleks | an my user is called liked that... |
| 20:45.59 | nsadmin | did svnadmin succeed? |
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| 20:46.10 | enouf | I am, therefore, I exist |
| 20:46.19 | Jaleks | it did not complain and created some files under svn, so 'Yes' i assume |
| 20:46.19 | simonrvn | shoots rpciod kthread in the head |
| 20:46.25 | enouf | or some renet descartes bullcrap |
| 20:46.49 | nsadmin | ok, what fails? |
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| 20:47.40 | nsadmin | (/me is asking all this not knowing a damn thing about svn yet... but I suspect file permissions as the underlying cause) |
| 20:48.07 | enouf | helps simonrvn drag rpc* and consolekit out back .. and hands simonrvn the shovel |
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| 20:48.12 | Jaleks | following line fails: `svn import /home/myself/graph/ svn://jalsti/svn -m nomsg --username hein --password bloed --non-interactive `, saying i was not authorized |
| 20:48.29 | pattern | can anyone recommend a backup application that can do a verbatim copy and verify of files (including special files and device nodes) from one mounted filesystem to another ? |
| 20:48.35 | nsadmin | could you show exact error message? |
| 20:48.44 | pattern | i've usually used tar, but i'm really not sure how well it deals with special files and device nodes... and it doesn't, afaik, verify the copy was done correctly |
| 20:48.52 | Jaleks | if you like german? :-/ |
| 20:49.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | "veryfy of files"? |
| 20:49.07 | simonrvn | LANG=C foocmd |
| 20:49.20 | nsadmin | oh, well, can't understand german :) |
| 20:49.34 | enouf | verbatim? at the block level? hahaha |
| 20:49.40 | Jaleks | "http://paste.debian.net/36520/" |
| 20:49.41 | pattern | CutMeOwnThroat: copy & verify the copy was done right |
| 20:49.44 | Jaleks | argh |
| 20:49.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | pattern, without packing, there's things like rsnapshot |
| 20:49.48 | Jaleks | "svn: Authorization failed" |
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| 20:50.10 | nsadmin | ok, that's not file permissions |
| 20:50.53 | nsadmin | which means this is the edge of my knowledge and someone with experience with svn needs to take over |
| 20:50.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | pattern, I don't think anything verifies ... copies are assumed to be correct (and I've seen nothing to the contrary yet, although there must be copying errors somewhere) |
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| 20:51.05 | enouf | you should've setup an lvm system prior |
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| 20:51.26 | pattern | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks for the suggestion, but (unless i'm mistaken) a snapshot is not a verbatim copy... |
| 20:51.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | pattern, do apt-cache show rsnapshot |
| 20:51.36 | enouf | nsadmin: rapidsvn ; done :-P |
| 20:51.39 | pattern | what i want is to basically recreate my entire drive (but without destroying the filesystems already there)... and i'd want to be able to boot & run from the copy |
| 20:51.45 | pattern | without needing to restore a snapshot |
| 20:51.46 | enouf | (just kidding) |
| 20:52.05 | nsadmin | dunno anything about that :) |
| 20:52.17 | enouf | g4u |
| 20:52.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | pattern, rsnapshot does a) ... booting and running would/should work in principle.. dunno |
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| 20:52.53 | patrikf | pattern: rsync will do that |
| 20:52.54 | nsadmin | what do people think of Linus' bull-in-the-china-shop approach to git advocacy? |
| 20:53.14 | enouf | there;s some others concerning partitions; partimage and clone<something> |
| 20:53.20 | Jaleks | patttern: software-raid? |
| 20:53.21 | patrikf | nsadmin: link? |
| 20:53.25 | pattern | patrikf: and rsync will handle copying special files and devices correctly ? |
| 20:53.33 | nsadmin | one sec |
| 20:53.38 | patrikf | pattern: sure (maybe some option needed) |
| 20:53.45 | enouf | with correct options it will |
| 20:53.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | pattern, the point of rsnapshot is to have copies of different age (like from 1,2,3 days, one week 1 month ago) with the minimal amount of diskspace wasted |
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| 20:53.56 | nsadmin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 |
| 20:54.05 | enouf | rdiff ; rdiff-backup |
| 20:54.08 | nsadmin | patrikf: that's one link |
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| 20:54.19 | nsadmin | let me see if that's the one I watched |
| 20:54.22 | patrikf | nsadmin: oh, but that's old. and git really is great. |
| 20:54.51 | enouf | nsadmin: linus can suck my ass |
| 20:55.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I doubt that having a good backup concept goes together with booting from the backup very well :) |
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| 20:55.34 | pattern | rdiff-backup and rsnapshot are both snapshotting programs (which keep extra metadata along with their backups, from what i understand)... i don't want this extra metadata on my backup device... i just want a verbatim copy of my original filesystem (but without dd'ing the entire devices, because my devices are of different sizes) |
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| 20:56.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is no extra metadata |
| 20:56.35 | pattern | all the snapshot directories? where the extra snapshots are kept? |
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| 20:56.39 | Posterdati | hiù |
| 20:57.09 | Posterdati | please I've got problems with kde4 and squeeze: after last dist-upgrade, my kde desktop it's a mess :( |
| 20:57.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're snapshots because they represent the filesystem at a certain time |
| 20:57.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | you call one directory "overhead you don't want"? |
| 20:57.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell |
| 20:57.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | be serious |
| 20:57.47 | enouf | dd |
| 20:57.52 | enouf | the end |
| 20:57.55 | pattern | CutMeOwnThroat: they might represent the filesystem at a certain time, but they don't copy the entire filesystem over every time... they do diffs |
| 20:58.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, they don't |
| 20:58.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | they don't *store* diffs |
| 20:58.24 | pattern | they store the differences |
| 20:58.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | just try it out... seems you have difficulties seeing how that works |
| 20:58.34 | enouf | Posterdati: give it up - install openbox or something |
| 20:58.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, they *don't* |
| 20:58.51 | Posterdati | enouf: :( |
| 20:58.54 | pattern | alright, well, thank you for the suggestion |
| 20:58.57 | pattern | i will look in to it |
| 20:58.58 | enouf | Posterdati: i've been through it - oh wait - you're testing only? |
| 20:59.05 | Tagor | Is there a way to stop Debian from resyncing a RAID partition? |
| 20:59.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least rsnapshot - I never used rdiff-backup, but it seems to do the same thing |
| 20:59.09 | Posterdati | enouf: I've got a lot of programs running under kde3 |
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| 20:59.19 | patrikf | pattern: they store a live copy together with "back"-diffs |
| 20:59.29 | enouf | Posterdati: i'm all sid, so kde4 CRAP SHIT from 3.5.9 |
| 20:59.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | rdiff-backup stores diffs *additionally*, rsnapshot does no such thing |
| 20:59.43 | enouf | talk about un-fucken-doable |
| 21:00.01 | amphi | enouf: fun in kde-land? |
| 21:00.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | the diffs in rdiff-backup also only enable you to recover earlier versions (as the older copies of files in rsnapshot do) |
| 21:00.33 | enouf | Posterdati: kde4 and squeeze/testing don't belong in the same sentence |
| 21:00.44 | enouf | amphi: it's dead ;-) |
| 21:00.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | what you want seems to be pretty much the same, but no older versions |
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| 21:01.07 | pattern | i'd just like to make sure i can boot from the backup drive and use it without modifications |
| 21:01.12 | amphi | enouf: heheh |
| 21:01.12 | enouf | amphi: i'm about to cook it and start eating my happy meal ;-) |
| 21:01.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | which, obviously, is a subset |
| 21:01.15 | pattern | and without needing to run some kind of restore utility |
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| 21:01.44 | amphi | enouf: give xmonad a try ;) |
| 21:01.52 | enouf | amphi: i will |
| 21:02.24 | amphi | enouf: even fxiny likes it |
| 21:02.36 | enouf | pattern: i mentioned it earlier , but you won't like it ; google g4u |
| 21:02.37 | pattern | i use & like xmonad |
| 21:02.38 | adb | enouf: join #xmonad on freenode ;) |
| 21:02.48 | enouf | or use acronis or ghost and pay |
| 21:02.59 | enouf | adb: soon ;-) |
| 21:03.05 | nsadmin | pattern: you could do that kind of thing with tar |
| 21:03.06 | enouf | adb: haha |
| 21:03.11 | enouf | er amphi |
| 21:03.14 | draemon | what sort of language is haskell for a WM anyway? :P |
| 21:03.23 | pattern | enouf: what's wrong with g4u ? |
| 21:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | pattern, that should work, but you'll have to hand-craft a configuration for that - also have to tell grub to use the right files |
| 21:03.44 | amphi | draemon: the 'config file' is also in haskell ;) |
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| 21:04.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | pattern, also what you describe is pretty close to a mirroring raid... |
| 21:04.06 | pattern | nsadmin: i have been using tar so far... but i'm just worried that it won't copy every special file and device... and it doesn't do any kind of verification that the copy was done correctly, afaik |
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| 21:04.26 | draemon | what's a "config file"? I use dwm |
| 21:04.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | pattern, you can do a verification with diff -r |
| 21:04.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | (although take care to exclude devices) |
| 21:05.16 | pattern | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, it is close to raid... except my backup drive is half the size of my current drive... i can fit the data i have used on it so far by copying from my live filesystem to the backup drive's filesystems, but i certainly can't use it for mirroring |
| 21:05.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the kernel itself must do verification on writing data, actually |
| 21:05.19 | nsadmin | pattern: I think it will... but note that if you're backing up an installation of (say) debian, these days you don't need those special files anyway since they're generated on boot |
| 21:05.38 | enouf | pattern: udev is responsible for populating /dev on each boot |
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| 21:06.18 | enouf | pattern: exclude /proc /sys and /dev on all backups |
| 21:06.22 | nsadmin | is udev good at what it does? |
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| 21:06.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | because programs can't do it... they'll be likely to get buffered versions in RAM for their comparison (depending on the amount of data read/written since last read/write) |
| 21:06.28 | enouf | heh |
| 21:06.38 | enouf | ask the devfs author :-P |
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| 21:06.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, but is udev creating *all* devices now? |
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| 21:07.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought there's still a core that's just ever-present |
| 21:07.07 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: they already exist |
| 21:07.19 | enouf | look in /dev/.static/dev |
| 21:07.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, not if you copy your fs onto a new drive... |
| 21:07.40 | nsadmin | the full backups I make are per-partition |
| 21:07.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't have /dev/.static |
| 21:08.01 | enouf | you're not running debian then |
| 21:08.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure, sure |
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| 21:08.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you ain't |
| 21:08.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I got /dev/.udev, though |
| 21:08.51 | enouf | er .. it's gone |
| 21:09.01 | enouf | oh well |
| 21:09.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pal enouf |
| 21:09.07 | dpkg | points at enouf and laughs |
| 21:09.08 | enouf | onward and upwards |
| 21:09.16 | enouf | trim the BLOAT! |
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| 21:09.20 | pattern | well, this is why i want something that will verify every single file (including special file and devices) have gotten copied |
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| 21:09.48 | pattern | i don't want some "surprises" if/when i need to rely on my backup |
| 21:09.59 | nsadmin | then practice restoring |
| 21:10.17 | pattern | but a restore isn't good enough |
| 21:10.31 | pattern | just because i can boot ok, and use some of my apps doesn't mean everything has been copied perfectly |
| 21:10.32 | enouf | pattern: understand there's a FS level and a Block device layer - both are separate |
| 21:10.49 | pattern | yes, i understand |
| 21:11.18 | pattern | i need to do a copy on the filesystem level |
| 21:11.28 | nsadmin | oh, and if you want to also back up your boot, then you'd want things like partition boot sectors, the mbr, and possibly chainloaded things |
| 21:12.11 | pattern | well, i've already got my backup drive partitioned right, with a good boot sector |
| 21:12.29 | pattern | so i don't need to copy that (though i will make backups of the live drive mbr/partition table, just in case) |
| 21:12.35 | nsadmin | so the backup drive could potentially boot? |
| 21:12.46 | pattern | not just potentially |
| 21:12.53 | pattern | it must be able to boot & be used just like the live drive |
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| 21:12.59 | duckinator | hi |
| 21:13.07 | nsadmin | do you use UUIDs? |
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| 21:13.14 | pattern | except my backup drive is half the size of the live drive.. so obviously the partitions won't be the same size |
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| 21:13.51 | pattern | nsadmin: i don't know what uuid is |
| 21:14.13 | nsadmin | ok... do you use lvm? |
| 21:14.23 | pattern | nope |
| 21:14.35 | nsadmin | so you'd need to edit fstab on the copy |
| 21:14.36 | adb | bootcd - run your system from cd without need for disks |
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| 21:15.18 | nsadmin | at dead last minimum :) |
| 21:15.23 | pattern | not necessarily |
| 21:15.33 | pattern | since both drives will be recognized as sda |
| 21:15.39 | nsadmin | ok, so you could try swapping the drives |
| 21:16.02 | pattern | yes, i will be swapping drives... or, rather, turning the live off, and the backup on |
| 21:16.11 | pattern | since i have them in removable cases with power buttons |
| 21:16.34 | Jaleks | what about a 'find' with 'cp' and 'sha512' ? ;-) |
| 21:16.50 | pattern | yeah, that'd be, in effect, writing my own backup solution |
| 21:17.02 | pattern | i was hoping something would already do this |
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| 21:17.20 | pattern | also, diffs won't work on devices and special files |
| 21:17.24 | pattern | so i'd have to compare them some other way |
| 21:17.25 | nsadmin | be careful about powering down while the system is running... |
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| 21:18.08 | pattern | s/diffs/checksums |
| 21:18.44 | nsadmin | you'd be adjusting which drive is powered while the computer is shutdown, I assume... that would be the safe/sane bet |
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| 21:19.06 | pattern | nsadmin: yeah, definitely |
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| 21:19.17 | pattern | i'm not using hot-swappable drives |
| 21:19.25 | maximi89 | hey whats ups! |
| 21:19.34 | superjoe | when I single click with a USB mouse, it clicks 3 or more times |
| 21:19.35 | maximi89 | mallxs: are you there? |
| 21:19.43 | superjoe | I'm using debian squeeze. What should I do to troubleshoot? |
| 21:19.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jaleks, no! not cp, that doesn't deal with soft/hard links or devices or anything, tar/rsync are much better |
| 21:20.08 | greycat | Try another mouse. |
| 21:20.16 | yareckon | indeed |
| 21:20.22 | maximi89 | cutmeownthroat: dd? |
| 21:20.32 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm looking for an application to view .pps presentations - apart fro OOo which is too big. |
| 21:20.38 | nsadmin | then you'd never have to worry about whether or which drives/partitions are mounted, etc |
| 21:20.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | pattern, find / -type f -exec diff .... you just exclude everything that's not a normal file |
| 21:20.54 | pattern | CutMeOwnThroat: according to the rsnapshot man page: "With GNU cp, rsnapshot can take care of both normal files and special files (such as FIFOs, sockets, and block/character devices) in one pass." |
| 21:20.59 | yareckon | jpinx-eeepc, you can use powerpoint viewer in wine |
| 21:21.03 | yareckon | but that's not free |
| 21:21.11 | yareckon | or you can export to pdf on another machine |
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| 21:21.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | pattern, yes, with special options... |
| 21:21.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess |
| 21:21.32 | pattern | CutMeOwnThroat: then i'm going to have to write something to check the special files got copied over right |
| 21:21.45 | yareckon | powerpoint viewer is free as in beer tho |
| 21:21.48 | jpinx-eeepc | yareckon: is there an application in linux to export it to .pdf? |
| 21:21.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | pattern, if you don't need the additional stuff from rsnapshotd, just use rsync |
| 21:22.15 | pattern | yeah, i think rsync might be the right solution for the copy |
| 21:22.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | pattern, actually, no - if you run rsync a 2nd time, it'll just update changes |
| 21:22.23 | pattern | and then i'll have to brew something myself for the verify |
| 21:22.26 | Jaleks | pattern: have you laready had a look at faubackup? (http://packages.debian.org/lenny/faubackup) |
| 21:22.29 | nsadmin | powerpoint viewer would be really wet if it came in beer... |
| 21:22.51 | pattern | Jaleks: never heard of it... thanks for the link... i'll check it out |
| 21:23.18 | Jaleks | pattern: just stumbled over it, no idea if its alright |
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| 21:23.43 | sylarrr | my gnome panels stopped responding |
| 21:23.48 | sylarrr | any idea what to do? |
| 21:23.57 | yareckon | jpinx-eeepc, no, that is just if you can process your ppt files elsewhere and bring with you as pdfs |
| 21:23.58 | pattern | Jaleks: it looks interesting |
| 21:23.58 | sylarrr | I have already xkilled them |
| 21:24.08 | sylarrr | and gnome-panel to no avail |
| 21:24.13 | sylarrr | :( |
| 21:24.17 | aryah___ | hi! about copying sparse files, I copied some created by rtorrent on a virtual disk created w mhddfs, well they dont seem sparse anymore. Any way to correct this? |
| 21:24.18 | jpinx-eeepc | yareckon: bummer - thanks anyway |
| 21:24.28 | yareckon | someone else may have another idea |
| 21:24.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jaleks, seems to do pretty much the same as rsnapshot, wonder what the difference is... (seems different backends for the most part) |
| 21:24.41 | yareckon | go through the repo and search for powerpoint? |
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| 21:24.58 | pattern | oh yeah.. sparse files... that's something else i should make sure gets copied over right in the backup |
| 21:25.21 | yareckon | can't do it for you right now as this laptop is running unmentioned downstream distro |
| 21:26.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, "apt-cache search powerpoint"? |
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| 21:26.48 | S4schii | Hey,how i can turn on the XPM and XBm support for php.ini?? |
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| 21:27.04 | e7th04sh | yay yay new kernel |
| 21:27.10 | S4schii | gd support is enabled |
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| 21:27.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, catdoc;ppthtml;wv;pptview |
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| 21:29.10 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: been there ;) |
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| 21:29.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | pattern, to verify packages, run debsums |
| 21:29.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, well, there's not more than that or openoffice |
| 21:29.48 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: yea - I know - I'm looking at workarounds |
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| 21:30.57 | pattern | i think the biggest challenge will be verifying that all the device, special files, and sparse files have been copied over correctly |
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| 21:32.00 | pattern | maybe i should just save myself the trouble and buy myself another disk that's the same size as my live disk.. then i can just clone the entire thing, or at lest use dd |
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| 21:32.48 | hoohah | is there a tool to check if all dependencies for all instaled packages are met? |
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| 21:32.55 | S4schii | Do someone know how i can turn on XPM and XBM Support turns on, for the php.ini, i installed backports but it dont work, in the php.ini gd.so ist activated, .... can someone help? |
| 21:33.17 | magyar | hi, i keep getting this error from apt >> http://pastebin.ca/1426868 |
| 21:33.56 | yareckon | hoohah, isn't dpkg supposed to complain about stuff being broken if not? |
| 21:34.11 | S4schii | hmm? |
| 21:34.12 | yareckon | could be that someone here knows a command to force it to chekc tho |
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| 21:35.06 | \amethyst | aptitude search ~b |
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| 21:35.21 | Spec | Heya...if I add up the RSS columns in the output of 'ps aux', I get 870 megabytes. However, I can see with top/free that 986/1009 megs of ram are used, and 1035/1035 swap is used. What's using the rest of the ram, and what's filling up swap? (or rather, how do I determine that)? |
| 21:35.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | pattern, there should be no need to verify |
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| 21:36.44 | valdyn | Spec: caches |
| 21:36.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions linux-image-2.6.29-2-686-bigmem |
| 21:36.47 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: linux-image-2.6.29-2-686-bigmem -- sid: 2.6.29-4 |
| 21:36.52 | hoohah | yareckon: nah, it's just that i did a debforster, and may have accidentlally removed a needed package |
| 21:37.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | magyar, that's from sid... so you know what to do, else you wouldn't use sid |
| 21:37.09 | Spec | valdyn: caches of what? |
| 21:37.15 | hoohah | \amethyst: oh right! search for broken |
| 21:37.20 | aryah___ | so, what is treating sparse files wrongly in copying, thunar? mhddfs? |
| 21:37.27 | valdyn | Spec: files |
| 21:38.12 | valdyn | Spec: look in top, theres buffers and cached |
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| 21:38.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell yareckon about debsums |
| 21:38.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | or was that an answer and not a question? |
| 21:39.15 | Spec | valdyn: 19780kfree, 88672k buffers (for mem:), and swap: is 1060280/1060280 used, 0k free, 34708k cached? |
| 21:39.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ends in a question mark, must be a question :) |
| 21:39.33 | Spec | valdyn: isn't RSS all the physical ram being used by processes? |
| 21:39.50 | valdyn | Spec: cache is not "used by processes" |
| 21:40.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... I see now... |
| 21:40.18 | Spec | valdyn: well...I don't quite understand. are you saying Linux always just fills up swap? |
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| 21:40.35 | valdyn | Spec: no |
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| 21:40.42 | Spec | Because this system usually doesn't swap much....and now it's 100%, and that isn't really reflected by what I can see wrt to the processes |
| 21:40.42 | \amethyst | valdyn: doen't program text count as both cache and RSS? |
| 21:40.50 | \amethyst | valdyn: (if it's been paged in) |
| 21:40.51 | valdyn | \amethyst: program text? |
| 21:40.54 | yareckon | thanks CutMeOwnThroat, didn't know that one... but it won't help him find dependency issues will it? |
| 21:40.57 | \amethyst | valdyn: executable code |
| 21:41.22 | valdyn | \amethyst: the executable is cached |
| 21:41.33 | valdyn | \amethyst: its a file -> its cached |
| 21:41.37 | ootput | correct |
| 21:41.51 | \amethyst | valdyn: yes.. and doesn't it count towards RSS too? |
| 21:42.14 | \amethyst | valdyn: meaning that some of the cache is used by processes |
| 21:42.16 | valdyn | \amethyst: i dont know |
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| 21:42.36 | k1ng^libgd | hi |
| 21:43.01 | k1ng^libgd | ich try to install XBM and XPM ( gd ) but it wont work |
| 21:43.03 | valdyn | \amethyst: i dont know how that works and interacts with self modifying code its |
| 21:43.05 | valdyn | \amethyst: i dont know how that works and interacts with self modifying code etc |
| 21:43.09 | Spec | but still, all processes RSS is equal to less than the amount of system ram. and it's swap is 100% full |
| 21:43.18 | valdyn | Spec: no |
| 21:43.27 | Spec | what? |
| 21:43.43 | valdyn | Spec: mmapped memory is not part of rss, its virt |
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| 21:44.07 | Spec | and mmapped memory counts towards swap? |
| 21:44.09 | Spec | and/or is swapped? |
| 21:44.15 | valdyn | Spec: no |
| 21:44.23 | valdyn | Spec: mmapped memory counts towards virt |
| 21:44.37 | valdyn | Spec: virt *can* be swapped but it *can* be mmapped too |
| 21:45.13 | Spec | well....adding up VIRT gets me to 3970 megabyts |
| 21:45.20 | Spec | which is twice the available ram (system+swap) |
| 21:45.29 | valdyn | Spec: sure |
| 21:45.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | yareckon, no, that was only answering your question, not his :) ( \amethyst was aanswering that, though) |
| 21:45.40 | valdyn | Spec: mmapped memory is backed by storage on disk |
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| 21:45.53 | Spec | right...so it's like open libraries, etc |
| 21:46.04 | valdyn | Spec: or plain virtual |
| 21:46.05 | Spec | I still don't quite follow as to why swap is 100%. |
| 21:46.07 | pattern | CutMeOwnThroat: in theory, there may be no need to verify... in practice, there is... what if there's a bug in the copying procedure? (not unlikely, if i wind up brewing it myself.. or even if i make a mistake by giving the wrong command-line options to the tool i'm using) |
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| 21:46.35 | pattern | i could easily see an omission of some files |
| 21:46.37 | valdyn | Spec: freeing swap is a very cheap operation |
| 21:46.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | pattern, if there's a bug in the copying procedure you are likely to put the same bug in the verify |
| 21:46.52 | valdyn | Spec: so memory can be in physical memory and also in swap at the same time |
| 21:46.52 | pattern | and device nodes, special files, and sparse files could easily be copied over wrong |
| 21:46.58 | pattern | or not copied at all |
| 21:47.06 | valdyn | Spec: that way the system does not have to swap out to free memory |
| 21:47.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and for those a verify will do squat |
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| 21:47.27 | Mohammad[B] | howto i can record stream audio in mplayer ? |
| 21:47.46 | pattern | CutMeOwnThroat: there may be bugs in the verify procedure as well.. but they're likely to be different bugs... and might show up as i'm doing the verify |
| 21:47.53 | valdyn | Spec: youre not going to be able to track the memory subsystem precisely like youre trying to |
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| 21:48.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !win ctp |
| 21:48.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, ctp! You have won the US presidency! |
| 21:49.02 | valdyn | Spec: mmap a 10G sized file = 10G virt used, but no actual memory or swap at all |
| 21:49.08 | Spec | right |
| 21:49.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | although he cheated to become 900th visito |
| 21:49.13 | Matson | is there a way to set up host name aliases like in /etc/hosts but without the ip address? |
| 21:49.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | r |
| 21:49.15 | Spec | but RSS is actual memory, right? |
| 21:49.23 | valdyn | Spec: yea |
| 21:49.27 | phantom_ | hi all |
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| 21:49.39 | Spec | valdyn: i still don't get why it's swapping 100% then |
| 21:49.56 | phantom_ | this afternoon I upgraded my debian testing server and got a bunch of KDE upgrades |
| 21:49.57 | valdyn | Spec: RSS is actual memory but not the complete actual memory |
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| 21:50.12 | Spec | what else is taking up actual memory if not rss? |
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| 21:50.39 | phantom_ | the thing is that tmy conf files got changed and somethings are not configureable, unless you edit the conf files |
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| 21:50.58 | squisher | ahoi, anyone aware of packages for audacious 2.0? |
| 21:51.05 | phantom_ | how do I change how many desktops I have in my session? |
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| 21:51.42 | valdyn | Spec: your buffers plus your cache plus your rss seems to make up your filled ram |
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| 21:52.00 | Spec | valdyn: sorry if this is a newbie question...what are buffers? |
| 21:52.03 | valdyn | Spec: the swapped out stuff is not counted towards rss |
| 21:52.08 | Spec | i mean, wrt to top |
| 21:52.23 | valdyn | Spec: kernel buffers |
| 21:52.51 | Spec | seems like htop reports buffers as used memory (free -m used is 989, htop's used is 869, which is free -m's buffers) |
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| 21:56.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | squisher, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491138 |
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| 21:56.20 | Spec | valdyn: so will it ever free up swap space? |
| 21:56.29 | squisher | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 21:56.38 | valdyn | Spec: yes |
| 21:57.23 | Jaleks | Jaleks: when you try to start the svnserve and don't get the authentification right try to start "svnserve -d -r `pwd`" in the root of your svn instead of just 'svnserve -d'... looks like that at least does /something/ |
| 21:57.38 | Jaleks | misuses the chat as notebook |
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| 21:57.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions audacious2 |
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| 21:57.42 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: audacious2 -- |
| 21:58.19 | adb | judd, versions audacious |
| 21:58.20 | judd | adb: audacious -- etch: 1.2.2-4 lenny: 1.5.1-4 sid: 1.5.1-4 squeeze: 1.5.1-4 |
| 21:58.21 | SRabbelier | Any advise on a decent burning program under windows to use? Nero has managed to ruin a DVD-R and two runs on a DVD-RW already. |
| 21:58.23 | valdyn | Spec: take one program using 100MB pagable ram, assume it gets swapped out, 100MB swap used, assume its read back in, 100MB swap used, 100MB ram used, assume its quit or something else needs that swap space, 100MB swap freed ( and the ram too if the program is quit ) |
| 21:58.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, that's not what I was looking for |
| 21:58.53 | enouf | Spec: might be way late, but read this; http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ |
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| 21:59.22 | enouf | eats |
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| 22:00.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, the itp speaks of a package that was uploaded to experimental (which is weird, because then it's not itp anymore) |
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| 22:01.32 | adb | oh |
| 22:02.23 | Jaleks | SRabbelier: infrarecorder or cdburnerxp |
| 22:02.53 | SRabbelier | Jaleks: any preference to either? |
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| 22:03.54 | Jaleks | SRabbelier: the second i'd say, but dont know if its portable, like the first would be |
| 22:03.54 | denysonique | Hi |
| 22:03.54 | squisher | CutMeOwnThroat, hmm, that bug is from 2008, but audacious2 was only released in 2009... and no audacious2 in experimental either, it seems |
| 22:03.55 | SRabbelier | Jaleks: portable how? |
| 22:04.14 | Jaleks | SRabbelier: as that you dont have to install, just have to run, eg. from usb stick |
| 22:04.23 | SRabbelier | aaah, ok |
| 22:04.25 | SRabbelier | Jaleks: no worries there |
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| 22:05.44 | nsadmin | maybe the bug was originally on audcious1? |
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| 22:06.17 | squisher | nsadmin, my question was about debs for audacious2, the bug was an wnpp (whatever that means again ;-) ) |
| 22:06.56 | denysoni1ue | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.58 | nsadmin | work needing something |
| 22:07.05 | denysoni1ue | Can someone help me please? |
| 22:07.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | squisher, well, obviously it existed in some form in 2008... |
| 22:07.23 | nsadmin | denysoni1ue: why don't they run? |
| 22:07.24 | squisher | CutMeOwnThroat, that might be true, but then why can't I find the package in experimental? |
| 22:07.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | squisher, you could ask what became of the itp... |
| 22:07.33 | squisher | CutMeOwnThroat, will do |
| 22:07.46 | denysoni1ue | nsadmin: thats why I am here |
| 22:08.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, obviously it either never made it into experimental (looks like, else the itp would have been closed) or was removed |
| 22:08.36 | tuxy | !uptime |
| 22:08.48 | nsadmin | denysoni1ue: so you're editing things for a particular purpose, yes? |
| 22:09.07 | denysoni1ue | nsadmin: yes |
| 22:09.26 | nsadmin | ok, what exactly are you invoking that's not runnign the script? |
| 22:09.56 | denysoni1ue | nsadmin: ifconfig iptables etc... |
| 22:10.21 | denysoni1ue | nsadmin: the script should run automatically |
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| 22:10.27 | nsadmin | from what? |
| 22:10.48 | enouf | trim the BLOAT! |
| 22:10.51 | enouf | whoops |
| 22:11.00 | denysoni1ue | it is in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ |
| 22:11.00 | enouf | eats more |
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| 22:11.04 | avtobiff | i would presume that the if-* scripts only run when invoking ifup ifdown |
| 22:11.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | denysoni1ue, man interfaces, look for pre-up |
| 22:11.41 | denysoni1ue | I do not run ifup ifdown manually |
| 22:11.59 | nsadmin | what do you do? |
| 22:12.06 | enouf | i must say - i have NEVER .. EVER .. even come CLOSE to seeing such a fucken PIECE OF BLOATED NON_WORKING CRAP POOP SHIT as kde4 is |
| 22:12.25 | avtobiff | i mean ifconfig does not run the hooks |
| 22:12.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 22:12.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | only ifup would do that |
| 22:12.43 | squisher | enouf, I wonder if it is because SuSE switched main desktop to gnome |
| 22:12.56 | denysoni1ue | this is a fresh debian install |
| 22:13.05 | squisher | and maybe they pulled some support? Don't know really, but it'd make sense ;-) |
| 22:13.15 | denysoni1ue | what shoul I do to run I firewall script? |
| 22:13.18 | enouf | how dare i have windows-like thoughts (_THIS_ version will be better!!!) |
| 22:13.37 | nsadmin | denysoni1ue: you mean to enable masq? |
| 22:13.48 | denysoni1ue | yes |
| 22:13.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | denysoni1ue, do you think firewall programs can function pre-up? |
| 22:14.08 | nsadmin | if you want a masqed box, you don't have to write your own |
| 22:14.16 | nsadmin | you can install ipmasq |
| 22:14.18 | enouf | squisher: nobody cares about KDE or GNOME .. let alone susecrap ... lmao |
| 22:14.27 | denysoni1ue | there is already ifconfig up in the script |
| 22:14.28 | nsadmin | and it will look at the interfaces and figure it out |
| 22:14.59 | nsadmin | do you really want to write your own? |
| 22:15.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, you don't like it, you don't run it |
| 22:15.06 | enouf | squisher: that is; nobobdy with half a fucken brain |
| 22:15.10 | nsadmin | or just you want it to work? |
| 22:15.10 | squisher | enouf, heh, I certainly don't but still find it interesting to see what's happening :-) |
| 22:15.31 | denysoni1ue | mine is already written |
| 22:15.36 | denysoni1ue | and it workas |
| 22:15.38 | enouf | squisher: want to know what's hapening? redmond and friends are bloating linux .. to death |
| 22:15.39 | denysoni1ue | works* |
| 22:15.39 | avtobiff | btw, i have an issue with slim/xdm. it doesn't start wmii after login, it just silently dies. starting with startx works fine. only thing i can see that indicates an error is a kernel message complaingin about drm:i915_get_vblank_counter |
| 22:15.52 | avtobiff | where do i go from that? |
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| 22:16.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 22:16.14 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: upgrade ... i dare you |
| 22:16.18 | squisher | enouf, :-\ True, that's why I like to see lightweight DEs like xfce to improve and step up |
| 22:16.41 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i'll send you a check for 50 lire in the mail! |
| 22:16.42 | avtobiff | CutMeOwnThroat, i have, no erroro as i satted |
| 22:16.43 | superjoe | when I insert a blank CD into my computer gnome-mount says "invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume" |
| 22:16.46 | avtobiff | stated* |
| 22:16.52 | superjoe | this is done through nautilus. I have squeeze installed |
| 22:16.57 | superjoe | any idea why? |
| 22:17.05 | nsadmin | enouf: that's what I call a great general advocacy statement showing how safe and sane it is to upgrade :) |
| 22:17.07 | valdyn | superjoe: because blank cds cant be mounted? |
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| 22:17.18 | avtobiff | superjoe, how would you go about mounting something that doesn't have a fs? |
| 22:17.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, I never ran kde for my own use in my life... I can upgrade as much as I want and it won't turn into kde :) |
| 22:17.24 | superjoe | valdyn: they have to be mounted before I can burn to it |
| 22:17.31 | denysoni1ue | so how can I run the script? |
| 22:17.32 | valdyn | superjoe: no, certainly not |
| 22:17.41 | enouf | squisher: lightweight and DE will never ever coagulate .. they are non-homogenous .. and i hate to be homogenized ;-) |
| 22:17.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | denysoni1ue, I told you? |
| 22:17.58 | avtobiff | CutMeOwnThroat, any more suggestions to how i debug this issue? |
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| 22:18.05 | nsadmin | denysoni1ue I dpon |
| 22:18.24 | superjoe | valdyn: when I use an .iso writing program, it says "please insert a blank disc" |
| 22:18.27 | nsadmin | err I don't know how to make your script work, but I do know how you can get masq working |
| 22:18.27 | squisher | enouf, well, to some degree that's true, but I think xfce makes a good job of providing features without adding too many hard dependencies (disclaimer, I'm associated with the project) |
| 22:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | avtobiff, is the /home partition by any chance full? |
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| 22:18.44 | valdyn | superjoe: that means what it sais, mounting is not involved |
| 22:18.49 | enouf | squisher: s/coagulate/coalesce/ .. though i like the former word ;-) |
| 22:19.01 | superjoe | valdyn: also, in the past I click on "CD-RW Drive" in nautilus, and the text changes to "blank CD-R disc" |
| 22:19.04 | enouf | squisher: haha |
| 22:19.12 | superjoe | valdyn: what is it doing then, if not mounting it? |
| 22:19.31 | denysoni1ue | CutMeOwnThroat: ? |
| 22:19.32 | avtobiff | CutMeOwnThroat, 8.5GB free |
| 22:19.37 | denysoni1ue | nsadmin: ? |
| 22:19.38 | enouf | squisher: do any of your devs actually _listen_ to user feedback? |
| 22:19.43 | valdyn | superjoe: its reads that its a blank disk |
| 22:19.50 | avtobiff | CutMeOwnThroat, lots of space left everywhere |
| 22:19.53 | denysoni1ue | can it go to rc.local? |
| 22:20.06 | nsadmin | what you do is set up a -proper- interfaces file, put it up, then install ipmasq |
| 22:20.14 | enouf | squisher: if i install xfce4 and try it , trust me, there WILL BE critiques |
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| 22:20.29 | denysoni1ue | nsadmin: I don't want ipmasq |
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| 22:20.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can run arbitrary scripts? <CutMeOwnThroat> denysoni1ue, man interfaces, look for pre-up |
| 22:20.38 | superjoe | valdyn: ok, from what I understand gnome-mount does that. |
| 22:20.42 | avtobiff | CutMeOwnThroat, i see weird stuff in Xorg log that i didn't notice before though |
| 22:20.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | avtobiff, only EE's are fatal, though |
| 22:20.57 | pattern | thanks for your help, everyone |
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| 22:21.04 | superjoe | valdyn: and the message gnome-mount gives me when I click that is "invalid mount option when attempting to mount the drive" instead of recognizing blank cd |
| 22:21.13 | nsadmin | then you're under the hood, and that's the extent of my experience |
| 22:21.52 | avtobiff | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah. but it tries to set the screens physical size to 308x235 or some wierd shit |
| 22:21.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | avtobiff, can other users (or even root) use the graphical login? |
| 22:21.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 22:22.00 | nsadmin | I guess you could put the script in /etc/network/ and call it from the interfaces file |
| 22:22.11 | avtobiff | CutMeOwnThroat, i don't have any other users. i'll try |
| 22:22.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | avtobiff, then you should at least get "no screens found" |
| 22:22.16 | enouf | right ... that's why you hear me say things like "linus sucks ass" .. because ... like many devs, they waste their time on BLOAT |
| 22:22.31 | nsadmin | how are you calling your script now? |
| 22:22.34 | squisher | enouf, heh, xfce has the problem of being seriously underpowered... so people listen to user requests if they have time :-\ |
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| 22:22.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | avtobiff, I guess if .Xauthority is root-owned and unreadable, you'd get the same... |
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| 22:22.46 | enouf | "here script" |
| 22:22.49 | enouf | ? |
| 22:22.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | (although startx shouldn't work either then) |
| 22:22.57 | valdyn | superjoe: looks like something is wrong there |
| 22:23.05 | superjoe | valdyn: LOL, you think? |
| 22:23.14 | valdyn | superjoe: that doesnt imply that mounting has anything to do with it |
| 22:23.21 | nsadmin | you say your script works... so how do you invoke it? |
| 22:23.36 | enouf | squisher: time? why bother assembling a consortium without a stated goal? |
| 22:23.37 | superjoe | valdyn: ok, I'm sorry I called it mounting. but my question still remains: how do I fix it? |
| 22:24.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | superjoe, what do you expect it to do? |
| 22:24.23 | avtobiff | CutMeOwnThroat, root could login |
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| 22:24.37 | denysoni1ue | can't just someone give me a simple answer? |
| 22:24.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | avtobiff, I thought so... other users might as well |
| 22:24.41 | squisher | enouf, what does a stated goal have to do with listening to user feedback? |
| 22:24.55 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: trust me when i say this; kdm, gdm, xdm are all BROKEN ... and so is X ... they're POFS |
| 22:24.59 | avtobiff | CutMeOwnThroat, might be an issue ith my .wmiirc or so then |
| 22:25.15 | enouf | squisher: one word; "framework" |
| 22:25.21 | avtobiff | enouf, Points of Failure Singularly? |
| 22:25.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, well, write a better X |
| 22:25.43 | nsadmin | denysoni1ue: you're doing a customized situation and you're calling ifconfig which the interfaces system already does. you've made it complicated by trying to combine your script with the interfaces system |
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| 22:25.59 | enouf | avtobiff: i think abrotman has a much better term ;-) nice try though |
| 22:26.07 | nsadmin | so either answer the questions I'm asking or else have a nice day |
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| 22:26.11 | \amethyst | !berlin |
| 22:26.11 | dpkg | it has been said that berlin is an extension of fresco to a complete windowing system, using its own drawing libraries and a component loader. it works, is pretty, and is LGPL. it does not yet do enough to make it worth switching from X, but it will. Visit http://www.berlin-consortium.org for more info. or [Q: Why is it consortium? do dict consortium], or at #berlin, or now called fresco, see http://www.fresco.org |
| 22:26.13 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: no |
| 22:26.22 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: GUIs suck ass |
| 22:26.39 | superjoe | CutMeOwnThroat: before when it was working, I would click on "CD-RW Drive" in nautilus, and the text would change to "Blank CD-R", at which point I could use any program to burn a CD |
| 22:26.46 | rvalles | enough of this anti-X crap |
| 22:26.48 | themill | enouf: you've made your point more than enough times. Now uninstall them all and shut up about it. |
| 22:26.54 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: it's a waste |
| 22:26.54 | nsadmin | and do so -quickly-, because my time is valuable |
| 22:27.06 | valdyn | superjoe: read /var/log/daemon.log |
| 22:27.15 | enouf | themill: thanks - they are GONE already .. no stfu |
| 22:27.19 | enouf | now* |
| 22:27.32 | superjoe | valdyn: bunch of crap about networks, nothing to do with file systems |
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| 22:27.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | avtobiff, check with a 2nd regular user... I guess you can also do /etc/init.d/[kxg]dm stop; then run strace -f -F -e open /usr/bin/X11/xdm 2>&1 > opened_files from a root CLI, and perhaps that tells you trying to read which file leads to exiting |
| 22:28.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, well, then uninstall it |
| 22:28.26 | SRabbelier | Jaleks: Nope, that didn't work either, guess I'm stuck trying the cd |
| 22:28.28 | superjoe | valdyn: dmesg, on the other hand, has some useful information |
| 22:28.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, we don't force you to run X |
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| 22:28.56 | enouf | themill: do not make the mistake of misunderstanding me .. i am not whining/complaining - i'm being overwhelming pragmatec - not to mention i admire almost all coders |
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| 22:29.15 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: uninstall what? |
| 22:29.21 | superjoe | valdyn: if you're curious, dmesg: http://pastebin.com/ddf134c9 |
| 22:29.26 | themill | enouf: no, you are whining and complaining. Spend more time writing patches and being constructive and less time earbashing everyone here. |
| 22:29.29 | SRabbelier | Jaleks: mhhh, strange, it's the same file though |
| 22:29.30 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: there is no spoon |
| 22:29.34 | enouf | !spoon |
| 22:29.34 | dpkg | There is no spoon. |
| 22:29.41 | SRabbelier | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.42 | superjoe | "access beyond end of device" |
| 22:29.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, X, kde, everything you were rambling about... you don't like it, then just don't run it |
| 22:29.46 | SRabbelier | that's the one that failed before |
| 22:29.48 | PiousMinion | Is it currently possible to set up something similar to "ubuntu remix" with only software from the debian repos? |
| 22:29.51 | valdyn | superjoe: which debian release are you on? |
| 22:29.56 | themill | enouf: whining and complaining are in the perception of the person having to listen to it. |
| 22:29.58 | Spec | valdyn: alright, well, thanks much |
| 22:30.00 | superjoe | I have the latest squeeze software installed |
| 22:30.14 | Jaleks | SRabbelier: so try k3b/brasero |
| 22:30.17 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: you are entirely oblivious - thanks for proving my point |
| 22:30.33 | Jaleks | SRabbelier: instead of windoze... |
| 22:30.36 | SRabbelier | Jaleks: it errored on that file with Nero too :P |
| 22:30.42 | SRabbelier | hmmm, might be a good idea |
| 22:30.57 | Jaleks | or get rid of the file :-) |
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| 22:31.05 | superjoe | valdyn: squeeze |
| 22:31.20 | SRabbelier | Jaleks: I'll try tomorrow, need sleep now :P |
| 22:31.26 | SRabbelier | Jaleks: thanks for the advice either way :) |
| 22:31.30 | valdyn | superjoe: gnome-mount -vtd /dev/cdrom |
| 22:31.37 | nsadmin | ok, nonresponsive. since you're complicating things by using the interfaces system which you're not completely understanding (you get points for trying tho. good job), you should proceed by running your script completely outside of the interfaces system. one mechanism you have available is rc.local, another is the system having /etc/init.d and update-rc.d |
| 22:31.44 | valdyn | superjoe: i cant debug that, but you can write a bug report with that info probably |
| 22:31.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think you actually have a point.... there is no point in having a huge monologue about the crappieness of X |
| 22:31.54 | superjoe | cool, thanks valdyn |
| 22:32.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | superjoe, also, you can use k3b for burning right now... |
| 22:32.47 | superjoe | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't think any burning program will work unless the system recognizes the disk |
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| 22:33.14 | valdyn | superjoe: but this stuff has nothing to do with burning a disk |
| 22:33.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | superjoe, but are you sure it's not just gnome messing things up? |
| 22:33.24 | superjoe | hmm I'll give it a shot |
| 22:33.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | how do you know it's "the system not recognizing the disk" |
| 22:33.37 | superjoe | it very well could be |
| 22:33.49 | valdyn | superjoe: it has only *possibley* got someting to do with using *gnome* tools to burn a disk |
| 22:34.43 | Jaleks | dang svn :-/ |
| 22:34.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, but it looks like it :) |
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| 22:35.16 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: i dont know which burning tools he tried |
| 22:35.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, mount :) |
| 22:35.34 | superjoe | all the gnome ones |
| 22:35.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | (gnome tried to use mount) |
| 22:35.46 | nsadmin | alteratively, you can go deep and learn the interfaces system completely and use that... tbh, I couldn't resolve in my mind how to combine when you said your script runs ifconfig, which it doesn't need to do because the interfaces file can set up the interface for you |
| 22:35.57 | valdyn | superjoe: growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=file.iso |
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| 22:36.16 | superjoe | valdyn: haha no way will that work? |
| 22:36.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, looks like reinventing the (square) wheel :) |
| 22:36.26 | enouf | install dvd+rw-tools |
| 22:36.30 | valdyn | superjoe: it works on dvd |
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| 22:36.47 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: already did that... thay gave me many copper things... |
| 22:36.55 | skor_ | How can I change a sata drive to 32-bit mode ? hdparm does not support the drive, and sdparm does not show the option |
| 22:37.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, shackles? |
| 22:37.21 | valdyn | skor_: stop, dont do it, its pointless, sata is a modern interface |
| 22:37.22 | enouf | superjoe: wodim -v gracetime=2 dev=/dev/hdd -dao driveropts=burnfree -eject -overburn -data /path/to/iso |
| 22:37.31 | nsadmin | they're round and have a picture of someone |
| 22:37.36 | avtobiff | CutMeOwnThroat, it works logging in as root and another normal user... |
| 22:37.41 | enouf | replace hdd with your /dev/name |
| 22:37.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | avtobiff, so it's one of your .files |
| 22:38.07 | avtobiff | yeah... probably |
| 22:38.08 | tuxy | is there an etch packet for rsstail ? |
| 22:38.12 | avtobiff | any hot tips? |
| 22:38.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | avtobiff, try "mkdir TEST;mv .[a-z0-9A-Z] TEST" and try to log in again |
| 22:38.27 | enouf | skor_: sdparm has nothing to do with IDE devices |
| 22:38.34 | superjoe | k3b is doing a fine job, so yes, I will file a bug report for gnome |
| 22:38.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | avtobiff, then you can start moving them back until you got the one that's responsible |
| 22:38.56 | superjoe | I will save these CLI tools though, thanks |
| 22:38.57 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: he wants to do his own thing... he's welcome to do that, but he has choices to make about how to go about it... until he makes those choices, there's not a lot I can do |
| 22:39.02 | valdyn | skor_: you cannot tune sata interfaces with hdparm, and you usually shouldnt do it even where you can |
| 22:39.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | avtobiff, look for files that are not owned and readable by you but belong to root and you can't read them (.Xauthority being the prime suspect, perhaps .xinit or somesuch as well) |
| 22:39.24 | skor_ | hmm. |
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| 22:39.30 | valdyn | skor_: unless you hardware is a decade old |
| 22:39.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, oh yes, you can |
| 22:39.45 | enouf | skor_: SATA drives even use a variant of the DMA as you know it- leave it alone and load the proper libata + whichever driver |
| 22:39.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, you can say to him "have fun" :)) |
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| 22:39.55 | nsadmin | did that :) |
| 22:40.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, and, ain't that satisfying :) |
| 22:40.17 | nsadmin | well I said have a nice day :) |
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| 22:40.17 | skor_ | I have dual drives I'm using for lvm. It's a database server so I'm trying to make sure the disk IO is as fast as possible |
| 22:40.22 | skor_ | I'll go read more. Thanks. |
| 22:40.38 | nsadmin | not particularly... feels like the whole thing was a waste of my time |
| 22:40.39 | enouf | skor_: see linux-ata.org for starters |
| 22:40.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, ok, correction... isn't that more satisfying than going on? |
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| 22:41.51 | enouf | .ICEauthority being another one |
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| 22:42.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | superjoe, k3b is just a gui frontend to the dvd/cd command line tools |
| 22:42.30 | superjoe | understood |
| 22:42.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | it just saves you the tedious bit of supplying all the options you usually want |
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| 22:43.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | etc. |
| 22:44.24 | PiousMinion | yeah, but then you have to install all the extremely bloated kde libs. :( |
| 22:44.56 | enouf | ! |
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| 22:46.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | PiousMinion, which is only an issue if you have to watch out for diskspace (so not on modernish desktop-systems) |
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| 22:48.11 | PiousMinion | ...and cpu cycles, and ram, and sanity..... for which I'm also low on. :P |
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| 22:48.58 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: ppthtml has to be the most useless application I have come across - it doesn't extract the images and the man page tells you nothing |
| 22:49.03 | PiousMinion | Don't want to spend several hundred dollars more on hardware so I can run kde instead of what I normally use to get the same results on lower end hardware. |
| 22:49.39 | PiousMinion | My desktop not looking like a pfisher-price toy is also a bonus. |
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| 22:50.23 | themill | What utter nonsense. I run lenny's KDE quite happily variously on a P3 and a celery |
| 22:50.59 | PiousMinion | I'm sure it will run on older hardware than that as well, but not as fast as the alternatives. That was the point. |
| 22:51.06 | PiousMinion | afk |
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| 22:51.38 | Decepticon | how can i do it so that when i press page up it sends 10 up arrow keys, through screen or some key binding or what? i want to scroll through a list in rtorrent that doesnt use page up/page down functionality, only arrow keys 1 by 1 |
| 22:51.40 | lolufail | hi there! |
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| 22:53.22 | lolufail | I'm asked to fix a server, I dont know what broke it, but lighttpd wont start, cannot spawn the php5 fastcgi :( |
| 22:53.22 | lolufail | I tried everything, the permissions to the socket are correct, and the bin is from the latest lenny. |
| 22:53.22 | lolufail | http://pastebin.com/m19ecdd1a |
| 22:53.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, aah, I see, you've not come across gnu rtf2latex yet |
| 22:54.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | PiousMinion, libs don't use CPU on their own |
| 22:54.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | and they don't change the apparence of the laptop either |
| 22:54.41 | nsadmin | lolufail are you trying to run php as a fastcgi backend? |
| 22:54.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I agree to the utter nonsens bit is what I'm saying |
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| 22:55.26 | lolufail | nsadmin: yes |
| 22:55.32 | lolufail | here's the config: http://pastebin.com/m5fe21af3 |
| 22:55.50 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: search on rtf2latex gives me nothing |
| 22:56.14 | nsadmin | ok, if you look in the log you posted, it's saying you need to make sure the php you're using is fastcgi-enabled |
| 22:56.51 | nsadmin | it also supplies a url you can look at for more info |
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| 22:58.46 | lolufail | nsadmin: thanks, I did that. |
| 22:58.59 | lolufail | nsadmin: afaik, the debian binarys are fastcgi enabled |
| 22:59.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, hmm, it's just perl... but I was quite sure etch had a really crappy version of it (dunno why, the "real" one seems gpl to me) |
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| 22:59.32 | avtobiff | CutMeOwnThroat, it was .xsession :) |
| 22:59.47 | avtobiff | it had one line in it that was commented out.. |
| 23:00.03 | nsadmin | lolufail: hmm, do you have multiple phps? |
| 23:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | avtobiff, another obvious candidate :) (.xsession == .xinit afaik) |
| 23:00.29 | nsadmin | and does the config file refer to one of those? |
| 23:00.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | avtobiff, I think the real issue here is that startx in Debian is broken :-P |
| 23:00.49 | avtobiff | CutMeOwnThroat, how come? |
| 23:00.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it ignored your .xsession |
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| 23:01.07 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: nothing for it now - I found what I want in ppsie , but it's not packaged as a .deb :( |
| 23:01.09 | avtobiff | you mean by not reading .(Xx).* files coreclty |
| 23:01.11 | avtobiff | ah |
| 23:01.13 | loliwin | nsadmin: fixed it |
| 23:01.17 | rmayorga | tuxy: no, It was just for lenny, but you can request a backport, anyway is a really easy soft to compile by your own |
| 23:01.18 | nsadmin | what was it? |
| 23:01.19 | loliwin | nsadmin: purge and isntall -.- |
| 23:01.24 | loliwin | dunno, somehow broken |
| 23:01.25 | nsadmin | heh |
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| 23:01.33 | dondelelcaro | it'll only ignore your .xsession if you have a .xinitrc or your /etc/X11/Xsession is broken |
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| 23:01.51 | nsadmin | so document that for the client |
| 23:01.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, it was too buggy to stay in debian, it seems: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;package=rtf2latex |
| 23:02.15 | nsadmin | which package did you do that to? |
| 23:02.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, perhaps I should try to get a mentor and file an ITP to get it back :) |
| 23:02.36 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: no - ppsie is what's needed |
| 23:02.43 | tuxy | rmayorga, i could not compile, depends on impossibile libs |
| 23:02.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
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| 23:03.10 | loliwin | thanks guise |
| 23:03.14 | loliwin | cya |
| 23:03.18 | nsadmin | which package did you do that to? |
| 23:03.33 | loliwin | nsadmin: talking to me? |
| 23:03.37 | nsadmin | yes |
| 23:03.38 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Graphics/ppsei-9598.shtml - |
| 23:03.43 | loliwin | nsadmin: php5-cgi |
| 23:03.44 | tuxy | rmayorga, where to request a backport? |
| 23:03.45 | rmayorga | tuxy: IIRC libmrss and something else, but I'm not sure if they are available for etch as well |
| 23:03.52 | nsadmin | ahh, cool. thanks |
| 23:03.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, but login via xdm read it... I don't see why the two should behave differently |
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| 23:04.29 | rmayorga | tuxy: http://backports.org should have the info I guess |
| 23:04.38 | tuxy | libmrss not available, while it depends on a higher version of libc6 |
| 23:05.04 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: they generally shouldn't; what's the problem? |
| 23:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, not for me... btw. powerpoint runs ok under wine... and it's not hard to get by a copy of an older version (windows ppl have to install a new system all couple of years) |
| 23:05.47 | nsadmin | likes wimpypoint better than powerpoint |
| 23:06.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, avtobiff had some broken .xsession, so xdm failed, but startx still worked... and I always noted that startx for me either starts a different WM than what I usually use (gnome), or none at all (seems to be some type of race condition...) |
| 23:06.44 | Decepticon | how can i do it so that when i press page up it sends 10 up arrow keys, through screen or some key binding or what? i want to scroll through a list in rtorrent that doesnt use page up/page down functionality, only arrow keys 1 by 1 |
| 23:06.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, wimpyblunt? |
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| 23:07.14 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't have hd space for wine *and* ppt - I might as well instal OOo ;) |
| 23:07.49 | martian67 | [17:01] <AntiLiberal> Linus Torvalds on Alex Jones show today! |
| 23:07.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, eeepc... 8MB harddisk :-P |
| 23:07.51 | martian67 | [17:03] <gtlz> no way |
| 23:07.53 | martian67 | [17:06] <AntiLiberal> mplayer "http://stream.nfowars.net/" |
| 23:07.55 | martian67 | [17:06] <AntiLiberal> He said inventor of GNU/Linux coming on shortly |
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| 23:07.57 | martian67 | [17:06] <AntiLiberal> still not up yet |
| 23:07.59 | martian67 | [17:06] <AntiLiberal> maybe after this break |
| 23:08.01 | martian67 | ahaha |
| 23:08.03 | martian67 | YES |
| 23:08.07 | abrotman | martian67: don't paste in here |
| 23:08.20 | martian67 | abrotman, sorry |
| 23:08.27 | martian67 | but this has the potential for extreme awsome |
| 23:08.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | nudges debhelper |
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| 23:09.08 | bolt | torvalds can hardly take credit for inventing gnu |
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| 23:11.59 | avtobiff | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks for the help :) |
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| 23:12.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | np |
| 23:14.34 | nsadmin | right, he's inventor of linux, not gnu/linux... there is -nothing- preventing linux from running with a nongnu userland |
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| 23:20.24 | faffi | when did squeeze get kde 4.2? |
| 23:20.36 | abrotman | a few days ago |
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| 23:21.44 | pasteeater | gentoo wiki states "There are reports that Journaled File Systems and >=2.2 Kernels are problematic on all Software-RAID levels" [mkfs.ext3 /dev/md0]. anyone know if this is still an issue? |
| 23:22.32 | pipeline | pasteeater: I've never heard of anything like that. |
| 23:22.46 | pipeline | pasteeater: I'm inclined to discount anythign from the "gentoo wiki" |
| 23:23.11 | pasteeater | pipeline: i ignored it, but i thought i'd ask anyway. |
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| 23:24.04 | hoohah | hello. how do i have a user-pid of an app start at boot? is there something like rc.local for debian? |
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| 23:24.14 | hoohah | basically, i want ps started as user |
| 23:24.27 | dondelelcaro | hoohah: the something is called rc.local |
| 23:24.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell hoohah -about run at startup |
| 23:24.42 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions catppt |
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| 23:24.44 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: catppt -- |
| 23:24.52 | hoohah | oh heh |
| 23:25.09 | nsadmin | pasteeater: if it's not backing up that statement (saying why and offering external supportive statements/documents/articles), your research in this area is not well served and perhaps you'd want to look elsewhere... |
| 23:25.19 | faffi | abrotman: is kde 3.5 not gonna be maintained anymore? |
| 23:25.33 | nsadmin | and continue your research, that is |
| 23:26.11 | karsten | How is 4.2 behaving? I've got 4.1.4 on Kubuntu, and it really, really sucks. |
| 23:26.17 | karsten | Unstable, buggy. |
| 23:26.18 | abrotman | faffi: i'm hoping all of kde personally ... |
| 23:26.23 | hoohah | dondelelcaro: for rc.local option, is: su - username -c "...." allowed? |
| 23:26.25 | karsten | !shoot abrotman |
| 23:26.26 | dpkg | blows abrotman away with an Elephant gun loaded with Badgers |
| 23:26.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:26.35 | karsten | abrotman: Only if they take GNOME with it. |
| 23:26.36 | faffi | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 23:26.38 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:26.45 | karsten | faffi: I take it abrotman isn't a KDE fan. |
| 23:26.45 | faffi | god damn it |
| 23:26.52 | faffi | im not gonna be either if 3.5 is done |
| 23:26.59 | faffi | not a big 4.2 fan |
| 23:27.01 | abrotman | faffi: you mean in debian, or in general ? |
| 23:27.06 | faffi | in debian |
| 23:27.08 | karsten | faffi: I use windowmaker for my desktop, but KDE for a few major apps. I find GNOME utterly frustrating. |
| 23:27.14 | abrotman | faffi: ask #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:27.16 | hoohah | hm, with kde4, so they just abandoned 3*? |
| 23:27.28 | hoohah | all new features? instead of gradual hacks? |
| 23:27.38 | karsten | faffi: 3.5 will likely be available for quite some time, but you'll only see bugfixes and the like. Upstream maintenance has been pretty minimal for some time now. |
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| 23:27.53 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions ppsie |
| 23:27.54 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: ppsie -- |
| 23:27.56 | faffi | looks like im switching to gnome |
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| 23:28.27 | karsten | faffi: The problem w/ KDE is that every so often they make a major break in functionality and features, and *really* screw the pooch when the do it. KDE 1-> 2 sucked. 3.x was really nice. 4.0-4.1 sucked, I hear better things about 4.2 |
| 23:28.32 | karsten | faffi: ... but I haven't used it. |
| 23:28.50 | karsten | faffi: Little things like konqueror not handling browser refresh properly. |
| 23:28.56 | faffi | gnome terminal i despise what 4.2 did, it looks like vista, maybe i can change it |
| 23:29.00 | hoohah | for rc.local, will i have need to worry about backgrounding ps as I would normally elsewhere? |
| 23:29.01 | faffi | but it also made my xorg use 80% of the cpu |
| 23:29.07 | faffi | that kinda ticked me off |
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| 23:30.35 | karsten | faffi: Screw gnome & kde terminals. rxvt all the way. |
| 23:30.48 | faffi | haha |
| 23:30.55 | faffi | at least gnome terminal detects links |
| 23:30.59 | faffi | konsole doesnt and it pisses me off |
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| 23:31.08 | faffi | in 4.2 it does |
| 23:31.19 | pasteeater | i do like the *rxvt. sakura is nice too. |
| 23:31.20 | karsten | faffi: That actually is vaguely cool. |
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| 23:31.37 | faffi | its so annoying having to copy links out of konsole |
| 23:31.45 | faffi | im probably just going to do gnome and compiz |
| 23:31.51 | karsten | faffi: I run enough terminal sessions that I prefer less GUI / interface overhead. |
| 23:31.53 | faffi | play with that since my laptop can actually handle it now |
| 23:32.17 | faffi | karsten: i find it hard to not run a gui cause i need to web browse, lynx just doesnt cut it |
| 23:32.21 | faffi | :P |
| 23:32.39 | karsten | faffi: I run GUIs. I just prefer minimal terminals. |
| 23:32.44 | faffi | ahh yes |
| 23:32.53 | faffi | how much of a difference does it make |
| 23:32.58 | karsten | faffi: And w3m is pretty good terminal brwoser. So is e2links |
| 23:33.09 | karsten | faffi: Less wasted screen real estate |
| 23:33.30 | faffi | haha |
| 23:33.31 | faffi | <3 screen |
| 23:33.33 | karsten | is copying over his music collection. |
| 23:33.41 | karsten | Why is "various artists" always so prolific? |
| 23:34.33 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: what's ripole then? |
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| 23:34.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | something that apt-cache search powerpoint turned up :) |
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| 23:34.56 | matju | how do i find a list of installed packages that depend on a given package? |
| 23:34.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions ripole |
| 23:34.58 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: ripole -- lenny: 0.2.0+20051231.1055-2 sid: 0.2.0+20081101.0215-1 squeeze: 0.2.0+20081101.0215-1 |
| 23:35.05 | karsten | Yay. 12GB of noise. |
| 23:35.12 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions catdoc |
| 23:35.13 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: catdoc -- etch: 0.94.2-1 lenny: 0.94.2-1 sid: 0.94.2-1 squeeze: 0.94.2-1 |
| 23:35.18 | karsten | offlines for a bit |
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| 23:36.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | catdoc only handles text (obviously) - or so at least the name suggests (else it wouldn't have 'cat' in the name) |
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| 23:38.57 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: there was an application called catppt but it seems to have died |
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| 23:41.55 | asdf | anyone familiar with openerp? |
| 23:42.09 | asdf | just wondering why apt wnats to install x11 crap |
| 23:42.11 | asdf | http://pastebin.com/m279f6c16 |
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| 23:43.05 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: also ppthtml as a package is singularly useless as it only extracts the test |
| 23:43.09 | jpinx-eeepc | *text |
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| 23:43.46 | faffi | im getting this error when i try to compile madwifi modules |
| 23:43.47 | faffi | /bin/sh: line 0: cd: /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build: No such file or directory |
| 23:44.07 | faffi | now, that file doesnt exist, how am i supposed to get it there |
| 23:44.47 | squisher | faffi, you need to install the kernel sources or at least the headers |
| 23:44.53 | faffi | squisher: pretty sure i did that |
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| 23:44.59 | dondelelcaro | faffi: use m-a a-i madwifi; or similar. |
| 23:45.01 | nsadmin | asdf what's openerp? |
| 23:45.01 | faffi | what are the package names just to make sure |
| 23:45.14 | faffi | dondelelcaro: i wanted to, but madwifi source and tools arent in squeexe |
| 23:46.15 | asdf | nsadmin: it's an eneterprise resource management application a la SAP |
| 23:46.17 | bolt | you could probably grab those from stable |
| 23:46.31 | squisher | anyone know where I can get a hold of the packages mentioned in bug 528514 ? Can't see them in incoming or new, but I need to get my nfs back :-\ |
| 23:46.35 | faffi | Package linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 23:46.45 | asdf | nsadmin: i'm just not sure why it's pulling in x11 cruft |
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| 23:46.57 | nsadmin | is it text-only?> |
| 23:47.00 | bolt | faffi: apt-get build-dep madwifi ? |
| 23:47.20 | faffi | unable to find source package for madwifi |
| 23:47.25 | dondelelcaro | faffi: that's because madwifi has been replaced by the ath5k and ath9k drivers in newer kernels |
| 23:47.34 | faffi | :o |
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| 23:47.38 | dondelelcaro | faffi: if you're running > stable, install the 2.6.29 kernel from unstable |
| 23:47.46 | dondelelcaro | (or wait for it to transition to testing) |
| 23:47.46 | faffi | dondelelcaro: im running testing |
| 23:47.56 | faffi | hmm |
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| 23:48.07 | faffi | can you point me to a link to show me how |
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| 23:48.33 | fixUp | Does anyone know what happened to the nbsmtp package in testing ? |
| 23:48.33 | nsadmin | dondelelcaro: if I'm not but planning to upgrade "someday", should I run .29? |
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| 23:48.53 | dondelelcaro | faffi: packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.29; wget the kernel .deb, and dpkg -i it |
| 23:49.00 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: upgrade to what? |
| 23:49.01 | asdf | nsadmin: well the server component is |
| 23:49.20 | asdf | nsadmin: and i don't have any ui items on my server, it's headless |
| 23:49.26 | nsadmin | asdf: is that all you're installing on that machine? |
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| 23:49.54 | pasteeater | asdf: you can cut out some of that fat with apt-get install openerp-server/testing --no-install-recommends |
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| 23:50.21 | nsadmin | side note: even if a server is headless, you could run things on it that display on a remote x (this would require the x client libs on the server) |
| 23:50.23 | dondelelcaro | asdf: because it depends on ghostcript-x, graphviz, and a bunch of other packages which link against X libraries |
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| 23:50.33 | asdf | dondelelcaro: woohoo that looks better |
| 23:50.38 | Garda | streuner: what's verlassend mean? |
| 23:50.52 | squisher | pushes the build bots |
| 23:50.53 | faffi | dondelelcaro: wtf thats all i have to do? |
| 23:51.03 | dondelelcaro | faffi: yes. |
| 23:51.13 | streuner | Garda: leaving |
| 23:51.15 | asdf | dondelelcaro: ah ok. how did you determine that? |
| 23:51.15 | jpinx-eeepc | how do I get in touch with the mmd guys to suggest a new package? |
| 23:51.44 | themill | asdf: "aptitude why openerp-server suspectpackage" can be informative |
| 23:51.57 | dondelelcaro | asdf: you can figure it out by looking at the Depends: line of the apt-cache show; output, or using aptitude why, or similar. |
| 23:52.05 | faffi | dondelelcaro: which one is it for x86? |
| 23:52.11 | dondelelcaro | faffi: 686 |
| 23:52.31 | faffi | sid (unstable) (admin): Linux 2.6.29 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 ? |
| 23:52.33 | asdf | themill: dondelelcaro: thanks guys. still new to debian, former gentoo hacker |
| 23:52.51 | themill | asdf: some of them are coming in through "recommends". /msg dpkg apt recommends |
| 23:53.06 | dondelelcaro | asdf: but in general, all you're installing are X libraries and a few things that are required to make the libraries work; you can pretty much ignore them. |
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| 23:57.07 | dansushi18 | what is the package name for kde3? |
| 23:58.12 | dondelelcaro | dansushi18: kde |
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| 23:58.22 | dondelelcaro | (well, that's the metapackage) |
| 23:59.04 | dansushi18 | package kde is not available in testing |
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| 23:59.15 | dondelelcaro | dansushi18: because we don't distribute kde 3 in testing anymore |
| 23:59.18 | faffi | dansushi18: try kdebase-runetime |
| 23:59.21 | faffi | err runtime |
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| 23:59.40 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions ntfstools |
| 23:59.41 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: ntfstools -- |
