| 00:00.30 | adb | ntfsprogs |
| 00:00.50 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions ntfsprogs |
| 00:00.50 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: ntfsprogs -- etch: 1.13.1-6+b2 lenny: 2.0.0-1 sid: 2.0.0-1 squeeze: 2.0.0-1 |
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| 00:01.00 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks adb |
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| 00:01.08 | adb | np |
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| 00:09.19 | _19LIONZ_ | How come lxde depends on xulrunner ? |
| 00:10.18 | amphi | for extra lightness? |
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| 00:12.08 | \amethyst | does it? |
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| 00:13.14 | _19LIONZ_ | \amethyst: well , coming from a minimal install . lxde depends on xulrunner somehow |
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| 00:14.12 | _19LIONZ_ | \amethyst: with tons of X driver packages |
| 00:14.59 | _19LIONZ_ | It feels weird for some one used to the minimal approach of Arch Linux |
| 00:15.00 | oh_noes1 | Whats the opensource virtualization solution? I'm looking at deploying a QA server where I can easily start/stop/deploy/delete new Virtual machines that were created off `vmbuilder` |
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| 00:16.03 | jpinx-eeepc | _19LIONZ_: I have lxde and I don't see xulrunner in dpkg -l |
| 00:16.38 | jpinx-eeepc | oh_noes1: xen seems popular - or virtualbox |
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| 00:16.54 | _19LIONZ_ | jpinx-eeepc: Maybe aptitude installs recommended package by default ? |
| 00:17.31 | jpinx-eeepc | _19LIONZ_: I aptiude install --without-recommends ;) |
| 00:17.32 | adb | yes it does |
| 00:17.39 | _19LIONZ_ | btw , I installed the meta pkg lxde . |
| 00:17.42 | oh_noes1 | virtualbox isn't ideal for backend GUI less servers. I was hoping to be able to build a VM, upload and attach that VM to that server |
| 00:17.55 | oh_noes1 | then have the VM (Xen) return me it's IP address of the guest |
| 00:18.00 | jpinx-eeepc | oh_noes1: xen is for you then |
| 00:18.18 | jpinx-eeepc | oh_noes1: but virtualbox runs headless too |
| 00:18.52 | jpinx-eeepc | adb: yes what does what? |
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| 00:19.25 | adb | aptitude installs recommended package by default |
| 00:19.27 | superjoe | weird, I installed debian from a netinst CD, which downloaded and installed packages from the internet, but now that I'm in my desktop I can't access the net |
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| 00:20.05 | jpinx-eeepc | _19LIONZ_: something of a conflict in your terms - you want minimal but you install meta-packages? ;) |
| 00:20.19 | _19LIONZ_ | Sorry , I'm just installing this for a friend . he's new so I decided debian is for him . |
| 00:20.38 | _19LIONZ_ | I'm a proud Arch user :p |
| 00:20.52 | jpinx-eeepc | _19LIONZ_: if your friend is a newbie - give him gnome ;) |
| 00:21.08 | _19LIONZ_ | Sid was my distro of choice though |
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| 00:21.27 | _19LIONZ_ | jpinx-eeepc: It's a 2000 laptop he got for like 10$ |
| 00:23.01 | jpinx-eeepc | _19LIONZ_: I've an old toshiba laptop with a 500 Mhz cpu and 256MBs RAM - and lenny runs fine |
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| 00:23.22 | _19LIONZ_ | jpinx-eeepc: with gnome ? |
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| 00:23.45 | jpinx-eeepc | sure - just a bit slow at times ;) |
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| 00:24.04 | jpinx-eeepc | but when you're on old hardware you expect that |
| 00:24.34 | _19LIONZ_ | jpinx-eeepc: We want him to think Linux is faster than XP :p |
| 00:24.56 | jpinx-eeepc | heh - ok :) |
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| 00:26.29 | jpinx-eeepc | _19LIONZ_: I admit to not using my gnome install much - I've tried IceWM and LXDE and xfce4 |
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| 00:26.37 | flaarg | whats going on? |
| 00:26.50 | jpinx-eeepc | lxde is the best compromise |
| 00:27.12 | _19LIONZ_ | jpinx-eeepc: meh , you don't tile ! |
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| 00:39.34 | adb | i got a "bad" initrd from 2.6.26-2-486 on pI @120 mhz |
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| 00:40.36 | adb | even after recreate initrd.img with update-initramfs |
| 00:42.28 | adb | so i migrate to an pIII , sadly |
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| 00:45.33 | superjoe | what command should I use to configure my ethernet driver? |
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| 00:45.47 | superjoe | it was working in the install CD but now that I'm on my desktop I don't think the module is loaded |
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| 00:46.02 | nsadmin | superjoe: what needs configuration? |
| 00:46.32 | nsadmin | try ifconfig -a |
| 00:46.44 | nsadmin | which interfaces show up? |
| 00:46.49 | superjoe | eth0 |
| 00:46.54 | superjoe | with no IP |
| 00:46.58 | mentor | I don't suppose, off-hand, the location for sale of nice stickers for the marketing key on laptop keyboards is known? |
| 00:46.59 | superjoe | it's set to DHCP |
| 00:47.11 | nsadmin | ok, so eth0 does show up? |
| 00:47.15 | superjoe | yes |
| 00:47.23 | adb | ifdown eth0 / ifup eth0 |
| 00:47.23 | superjoe | nsadmin: but when I run dhclient, the light on the network card doesn't blink |
| 00:47.36 | nsadmin | this means the driver is loaded and (very probably) working fine |
| 00:47.56 | nsadmin | try adb's |
| 00:48.16 | nsadmin | (/ is hit enter or put ;) |
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| 00:49.26 | nsadmin | let the ifupdown thing handle the upping and downing of the interfaces |
| 00:49.30 | squisher | anyone know how to share clipboards using tightvnc? |
| 00:50.05 | superjoe | nsadmin: what was that supposed to do? it's in the same state it was |
| 00:50.22 | nsadmin | what did it say? |
| 00:50.28 | superjoe | no output |
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| 00:50.37 | nsadmin | ifdown eth0 does: |
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| 00:50.40 | superjoe | the light doesn't blink on my network card when I ping. that means no packets are being sent |
| 00:50.52 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.57 | pl4yer0ne | superjoe, are you doing it as root? |
| 00:51.01 | superjoe | yes pl4yer0ne |
| 00:51.17 | adb | superjoe: ifdown eth0 |
| 00:51.19 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.26 | pl4yer0ne | is it a wired or wireless connection? |
| 00:51.31 | superjoe | wired |
| 00:51.32 | superjoe | static |
| 00:51.39 | superjoe | but same effect with DHCP |
| 00:52.03 | nsadmin | pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:52.29 | pl4yer0ne | try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 00:52.32 | nsadmin | one way, cat /etc/network/interfaces | pastebinit |
| 00:52.36 | abrotman | dmesg | grep eth ? |
| 00:52.54 | superjoe | nsadmin: um I don't think you though that one through |
| 00:52.58 | superjoe | *thought |
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| 00:53.16 | abrotman | judd: info pastebinit --release lenny |
| 00:53.17 | judd | abrotman: pastebinit (misc): is optional; Version: 0.10-2; Size: 9.0k; Installed: 88k -- command-line pastebin client |
| 00:53.37 | superjoe | I can't submit something to pastebin without an internet connection |
| 00:53.47 | nsadmin | oh good point :) |
| 00:53.48 | pl4yer0ne | hehe |
| 00:53.53 | superjoe | however abrotman is on to something: eth0: no link during initialization |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | !win me |
| 00:53.59 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 00:54.04 | superjoe | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP) eth0: link is not ready |
| 00:54.07 | abrotman | mommy, what's a CD? |
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| 00:54.49 | adb | superjoe: how you ping than ? |
| 00:54.56 | pl4yer0ne | dodgy cable / connection? |
| 00:54.56 | superjoe | adb: you type ping |
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| 00:55.10 | superjoe | pl4yer0ne: my connection worked fine 4 hours ago before I reinstalled debian |
| 00:55.18 | keith4_ | i'm confused. gallery2 is in etch, squeeze, and sid... but not lenny? |
| 00:55.27 | superjoe | oh, and I installed debian *with the netinst cd* |
| 00:55.29 | pl4yer0ne | yeah likemaybe the cable is loose or something |
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| 00:55.32 | superjoe | it downloaded packages |
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| 00:55.44 | abrotman | keith4_: it happens .. sadly |
| 00:55.53 | superjoe | it's not the goddamn cables |
| 00:55.59 | keith4_ | abrotman, ... how? |
| 00:56.04 | nsadmin | superjoe: can you type the lines of that file that has eth0 in them? |
| 00:56.04 | abrotman | superjoe: maybe it's the router! |
| 00:56.15 | abrotman | keith4_: if it had RC bugs |
| 00:56.23 | nsadmin | maybe it's the rest of the internet! |
| 00:56.30 | keith4_ | which is worse? ssb, or finding an older lenny package? |
| 00:56.33 | nsadmin | wait, I'm on the rest of the ingernet... |
| 00:56.54 | superjoe | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/d6e9c421b |
| 00:56.59 | abrotman | keith4_: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gallery2/news/20081119T163911Z.html .. based on what that says .. i'd go with ssb |
| 00:57.48 | keith4_ | ugh. "asked by security". not a good sign |
| 00:57.57 | superjoe | nsadmin: I also tried http://pastebin.com/m3b0e9b47 |
| 00:57.57 | keith4_ | k. thanks abrotman |
| 00:58.00 | pl4yer0ne | superjoe, what driver does it use? |
| 00:58.10 | superjoe | pl4yer0ne: I don't know that's why I asked |
| 00:58.13 | superjoe | what driver does it use? |
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| 00:58.24 | superjoe | I probably just need to modprobe it |
| 00:58.48 | nsadmin | superjoe: and when you do ifup eth0 and ifconfig it doesn't show eth0? |
| 00:58.53 | pl4yer0ne | dmesg|grep eth |
| 00:59.09 | superjoe | nsadmin: it DOES show eth0 |
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| 00:59.17 | abrotman | didn't we just cover that ? |
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| 00:59.23 | superjoe | yes we did and it was good info |
| 00:59.25 | nsadmin | no, that was ifconfig -a |
| 00:59.29 | superjoe | which was ignored |
| 00:59.38 | abrotman | superjoe: i saw it .. i even gave myself a prize :) |
| 00:59.40 | superjoe | no link during initialization |
| 00:59.48 | abrotman | superjoe: those were the only two lines? |
| 01:00.09 | nsadmin | this happens when you do which? ifup? |
| 01:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, do you also bet with yourself? :) |
| 01:00.23 | pl4yer0ne | dmesg|grep eth the first entry should be the line that says which driver its using |
| 01:00.32 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: at least i always win :) |
| 01:00.53 | superjoe | abrotman: mmm there's one about forcedeth |
| 01:00.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, you always lose, too, though - the important bit is to always see it from the perspective of the winner :) |
| 01:01.01 | abrotman | superjoe: i'm sorry |
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| 01:01.09 | superjoe | oh come now |
| 01:01.09 | nsadmin | you have an nforce mobo? |
| 01:01.11 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: yay half full! |
| 01:01.15 | superjoe | yes |
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| 01:01.24 | abrotman | !forcedeth |
| 01:01.25 | dpkg | somebody said forcedeth was the open-source nVidia Ethernet driver, for nForce motherboards. Found in 2.4.23 and later kernels. Ask me about <forcedeth mac>. See also <mcp67>, <rtl8211c>. |
| 01:01.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !beer abrotman |
| 01:01.30 | dpkg | pulls out an exquisite Guinness for abrotman |
| 01:01.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | (it's only a half one, though) |
| 01:01.36 | abrotman | superjoe: dmesg | grep eth .. is there now an eth1 ? |
| 01:01.36 | nsadmin | mine works just fine (I havent' moved to lenny tho) |
| 01:02.10 | superjoe | abrotman: why would there be an eth1? |
| 01:02.13 | superjoe | no, there isn't |
| 01:02.15 | superjoe | I never told there to be |
| 01:02.15 | Macb0t | i told |
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| 01:02.31 | abrotman | superjoe: IIRC there used to be an issue with forcedeth changing MAC .. which screws up udev |
| 01:02.32 | Macb0t | somebody said forcedeth module crashes |
| 01:02.46 | abrotman | !forcedeth mac |
| 01:02.46 | dpkg | If you're using the <forcedeth> driver and your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc), edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch), remove all but one entry, and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". See also <z25>. |
| 01:02.47 | Macb0t | Your statement to correct first entry, had taken solemn counsel learned if you ^__^ |
| 01:02.48 | superjoe | I've been using this exact same computer and mobo for 3 years |
| 01:02.56 | abrotman | superjoe: but not the same debian installation ... |
| 01:03.02 | nsadmin | eth0 could be firewire |
| 01:03.08 | superjoe | nsadmin: that could be |
| 01:03.16 | abrotman | so there's no eth1 ? |
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| 01:03.25 | nsadmin | but ifconfig -a only shows eth0? |
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| 01:03.56 | Macb0t | = insta |
| 01:03.58 | superjoe | hang on |
| 01:03.58 | Macb0t | caprisun: hang on trying |
| 01:04.02 | nsadmin | what happens when you modprobe forcedeth |
| 01:04.03 | abrotman | and /etc/init.d/networking restart .. doesn't bring it up ? |
| 01:04.13 | nsadmin | and then ifconfig -a |
| 01:04.15 | abrotman | Macb0t: wrong channel |
| 01:04.15 | Macb0t | Macb0t: green |
| 01:04.21 | abrotman | Macb0t: wrong channel |
| 01:04.23 | Macb0t | Macb0t: n_n |
| 01:04.24 | abrotman | Macb0t: wrong channel |
| 01:04.24 | Macb0t | Macb0t: /nick hitler props |
| 01:04.25 | abrotman | Macb0t: wrong channel |
| 01:04.26 | Macb0t | Macb0t: lun |
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| 01:04.56 | superjoe | abrotman: in the install, it listed a firewire eth0 and a normal eth1, I chose eth1 and it worked great |
| 01:04.57 | insta | what's the discussion about forcedeth? that's my problem too ... |
| 01:05.07 | superjoe | abrotman: but now if I try to bring up eth1 it says no such device |
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| 01:05.38 | abrotman | superjoe: udev is supposed to be okay with that now |
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| 01:05.58 | insta | is there a way to see whats' currently broken in sid? |
| 01:06.00 | superjoe | !udev |
| 01:06.01 | dpkg | [udev] /dev/ and hotplug management daemon. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15. Ask me about <z25>, <udev rules>, <udev details>, <.dev>. http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html |
| 01:06.14 | nsadmin | insta: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 01:07.17 | insta | hmm, ok |
| 01:07.23 | insta | anyone in here use sid on the desktop? |
| 01:08.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | the bts knows... if not you should make it know |
| 01:08.46 | abrotman | insta: ask your real question |
| 01:08.48 | squisher | insta, more specific questions get you better help :) |
| 01:09.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's sid! he already knows what he's gotta do |
| 01:09.15 | nsadmin | well should know |
| 01:09.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | by definition ;) |
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| 01:09.34 | insta | fair enough. i'm building an HTPC. it's got a fair bit of stuff that requires features from new kernels. even the newest jaunty from ubuntu isn't new enough (need 2.6.29 for forcedeth to not suck and die) |
| 01:09.47 | insta | so, i was thinking of running sid to hopefully get 2.6.29 or 2.6.30 |
| 01:09.49 | superjoe | abrotman: aside from lo, ifconfig -a only lists eth0, which I suspect is the firewire. what happened to eth1, my ethernet card? it was available during install |
| 01:09.58 | abrotman | superjoe: lspci .. do you see it ? |
| 01:10.04 | insta | didn't know if regular users of it could vouch for sid working or being a box of fail right now |
| 01:10.16 | pl4yer0ne | insta, sid will make you cry if all your trying to do is get a more recent kernel |
| 01:10.26 | abrotman | insta: packages.debian.org has package versions, and sid has .29 because .30 hasn't been released yet |
| 01:10.27 | twinkie_addict | nice now that i have my micro sd card i can access my fils on my blackberry from linux :) |
| 01:10.35 | superjoe | abrotman: yes. Bridge: nVidia corporation MCP55 ethernet |
| 01:10.45 | nsadmin | the only way that's going to happen is by failing to support unstable here -completely-... until that happens, it's better to just try to help and offer the idea they should become more knowledgable |
| 01:10.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | err... ubuntu? are you mixing debian and ubuntu packages? |
| 01:10.48 | insta | abrotman: 2.6.29 should be a new enough version for my network card |
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| 01:10.54 | abrotman | insta: okay .. have fun |
| 01:11.06 | insta | CutMeOwnThroat: no, if ubuntu had worked, i'd be over there and out of your hair |
| 01:11.20 | nsadmin | there hare! |
| 01:11.25 | abrotman | isn't that what ubuntu+1 is for ? |
| 01:11.27 | insta | CutMeOwnThroat: i used to run sid a few years ago, i know it can be a royal pain if you don't get a snapshot at the right second |
| 01:11.33 | abrotman | snapshot? |
| 01:11.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | snaps a shot of abrotman |
| 01:11.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | err shoots a snap? |
| 01:12.04 | insta | snapshot ~= 'dist-upgrade to sid at a time when everything works as it should and nothing is terribly broken' |
| 01:12.22 | superjoe | I don't get it. It was *just there* |
| 01:12.31 | twinkie_addict | runs stable to avoid the issue :) |
| 01:12.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | insta, afaik, there's nothing wrong using the kernel from sid on stable or testing |
| 01:13.00 | insta | CutMeOwnThroat: i also need pretty new versions of alsa, and nvidia-glx |
| 01:13.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | normally, that is (as the kernel doesn't have a lot of dependencies |
| 01:13.05 | insta | it's irritating |
| 01:13.18 | insta | enough so that i actually ran gentoo as it was the easiest way to stay recent enough |
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| 01:13.45 | nsadmin | insta that's more of a kernel issue than anything else |
| 01:14.00 | insta | nsadmin: for alsa & nvidia-glx? |
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| 01:14.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you really need the newest alsa *userland*? |
| 01:14.17 | nsadmin | well the drivers anyway |
| 01:14.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | and alsa kernel modules are part of the kernel |
| 01:14.37 | insta | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, i need the .18 userland binaries |
| 01:14.42 | superjoe | hey, I have i2c_nforce2 and forcedeth both in lsmod |
| 01:14.43 | dan | is it still possible to install kde3? I checked lenny sources and it has package dependency issues. Any ideas or am I going to be forced to use Gnome? |
| 01:14.46 | superjoe | do these conflict? |
| 01:14.56 | nsadmin | you don't use hdsp by any chance? |
| 01:15.09 | superjoe | who me? |
| 01:15.24 | nsadmin | no insta... but superjoe, do you? |
| 01:15.37 | superjoe | this is a fresh install of ... finding link |
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| 01:15.40 | insta | nsadmin: i don't use hdsp, shall i google it? |
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| 01:15.59 | nsadmin | no... if you dont' have a hammerfall, that would be a waste |
| 01:16.07 | insta | ooo that's a fancypants sound card |
| 01:16.19 | insta | no, i have an nvidia 8200 (integrated) and i'm trying to get HDMI audio out |
| 01:16.30 | superjoe | this is a really simple fix, I know it is |
| 01:17.35 | maximi89 | superjoe: what are you talking about? |
| 01:17.40 | maximi89 | sound servers? |
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| 01:18.11 | superjoe | maximi89: fresh install of latest squeeze snapshot is missing one of my ethernet interfaces |
| 01:18.13 | insta | maximi89: he's got driver conflicts somewhere around forcedeth |
| 01:18.47 | maximi89 | a ok |
| 01:18.51 | maximi89 | i'm on sid |
| 01:19.04 | insta | heh, are you finding it stable enough right now? :p |
| 01:19.11 | maximi89 | you come yesterday for the same problem, or you are other guy? |
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| 01:19.53 | maximi89 | insta: you reffer to me? |
| 01:20.02 | OldMonk | trying aptitude safe-upgrade, after 5 minutes or so of resolving conflicts it barfs with: kdebase-bin-kde3: Conflicts: kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 but 4:4.2.2-1 is to be installed. kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4: Conflicts: kdebase-bin-kde3 but 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 is installed. |
| 01:20.10 | insta | maximi89: yeah i am |
| 01:20.21 | maximi89 | insta: sorry, i dont understand some things yet |
| 01:20.32 | maximi89 | i'm learning jeje |
| 01:20.41 | OldMonk | anyone else faced this issue on debian testing? |
| 01:20.46 | insta | jeje? |
| 01:20.50 | dansushi18 | i'm, running testing, but i'd like to install packages from lenny, but apt claims that something depends on something else, but it is not going to be installed |
| 01:20.50 | maximi89 | hehe? |
| 01:20.54 | insta | ah |
| 01:20.57 | maximi89 | ahaha |
| 01:20.58 | maximi89 | XD |
| 01:21.05 | superjoe | OldMonk: I always do aptitude full-upgrade |
| 01:21.07 | maximi89 | jaja=haha jeje=hehe |
| 01:21.56 | maximi89 | dansushi18: gives us your /etc/apt/sources.list and write on www.pastebin.ca |
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| 01:22.18 | OldMonk | superjoe: full-upgrade is happily removing a number of kde packages i want |
| 01:22.36 | OldMonk | including amarok and kicker |
| 01:22.53 | qiyong | how to make a debian source pkg? |
| 01:23.13 | superjoe | OldMonk: hmm perhaps let it do it's thing and then reinstall those two packages |
| 01:23.18 | superjoe | *its |
| 01:23.58 | OldMonk | superjoe: unfortunately it's not just those two... and in any case i wouldn't like to manually install packages that are supposed to be automatically installed as dependencies |
| 01:24.10 | dansushi19 | maximi89: the only source I have in there is deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 01:24.11 | superjoe | amarok is a dependency to something? |
| 01:24.14 | maximi89 | oldmonk: yes, leave uninstall and later you install again, you are using synaptic? |
| 01:24.24 | OldMonk | maximi89: aptitude |
| 01:24.26 | dansushi19 | maximi89: I also have the deb-src for that same mirror |
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| 01:24.42 | OldMonk | superjoe: no, but then amarok isn't the only package that is being removed |
| 01:24.46 | maximi89 | dansushi19: ok |
| 01:24.57 | superjoe | I see |
| 01:24.58 | OldMonk | i'm pretty sure i didn't manually install kicker, e.g. |
| 01:25.07 | maximi89 | OldMonk: uhmm, i mean synaptic save a record of packages installed and removed |
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| 01:25.33 | maximi89 | dansushi19: in that case, you change from lenny to squeeze to install some packages? |
| 01:25.36 | OldMonk | anyway, the issue really is why the conflict in the first place? |
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| 01:26.30 | maximi89 | dansushi19: but what about leave all sources, and install the things you want and later when then are installed you remove from sources.list? |
| 01:26.47 | superjoe | OldMonk: because debian is changing, packages are being added and removed |
| 01:27.11 | ajavid | not in lenny |
| 01:27.14 | ajavid | lenny is stable/frozen |
| 01:27.20 | superjoe | ajavid: he said testing |
| 01:27.28 | superjoe | which means squeeze |
| 01:27.32 | ajavid | the sources.list he pasted was for lenny |
| 01:27.42 | superjoe | ah, did not see that |
| 01:27.44 | OldMonk | first time i got an unresolvable conflict in testing, actually, and it really looks like a debian issue |
| 01:27.45 | ajavid | the only source |
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| 01:27.59 | OldMonk | ponders logging a bug |
| 01:28.34 | superjoe | hehey it just started working |
| 01:28.47 | maximi89 | i don't think the problems was that, because i'm unsing unstable and i don't have any problem... i have the same problem dependecy on a new system i'm installing, on a old computer, and i'm resolving that. |
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| 01:29.22 | maximi89 | and that system i'm installing is etch |
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| 01:31.07 | OldMonk | hmm, looks like kate requires kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 |
| 01:31.57 | maximi89 | oldmonk: aptitude tell you something about install some extra packages? |
| 01:31.59 | OldMonk | ...and kate is required by kdebase... |
| 01:32.09 | OldMonk | maximi89: dude, if it got to that i'd be so happy! |
| 01:32.23 | maximi89 | if you try to remove all kde4 and reinstall from 0? |
| 01:32.35 | OldMonk | oh, i don't have kde4 installed :) |
| 01:32.41 | maximi89 | wow |
| 01:32.50 | OldMonk | which is why i'm so fucking pissed off |
| 01:33.08 | \amethyst | testing is transitioning to kde4 |
| 01:33.30 | OldMonk | \amethyst: figured something like would be happening |
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| 01:33.53 | OldMonk | so question is, is it worth logging a bug report or should i just wait a few days? |
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| 01:34.54 | OldMonk | let me try on the laptop, which has minimal sources.list |
| 01:35.22 | maximi89 | oldmonk: you can wait some days, but better try to get more specialized information... on mailing list |
| 01:35.29 | abrotman | OldMonk: did you try with -R ? |
| 01:36.00 | OldMonk | same issue on laptop, so it's not because of sources clutter |
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| 01:36.18 | OldMonk | abrotman: yup, i use -R by default |
| 01:36.37 | abrotman | OldMonk: you can set that in your apt.conf |
| 01:36.40 | OldMonk | definitely a dependency issue with debian testing |
| 01:36.43 | abrotman | !tell OldMonk about apt recommends |
| 01:37.18 | oobe | !fuck oobe |
| 01:37.35 | streuner | hehe |
| 01:37.47 | oobe | lols |
| 01:37.56 | OldMonk | is now known as debhelper. |
| 01:37.57 | streuner | (language police always watching you) ;-) |
| 01:38.01 | OldMonk | fucks oobe |
| 01:38.11 | oobe | hope not |
| 01:38.49 | OldMonk | abrotman: thanks, will do that. so used to giving it on the command-line however, that it'll take some time to get out of that habit :) |
| 01:39.01 | oobe | !tell oobe about random expletives |
| 01:39.45 | oobe | !tell oobe random |
| 01:40.13 | abrotman | oobe: stop messing with the bot |
| 01:40.16 | oobe | dpkg> No, oobe, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 01:40.16 | dpkg | oobe: wish i knew |
| 01:40.19 | squisher | !tell oobe msg |
| 01:40.29 | oobe | ok |
| 01:40.46 | oobe | just a bit of fun that is all |
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| 01:41.08 | \amethyst | oobe: you can have fun by /msg without flooding the channel :) |
| 01:41.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | no fun allowed in here |
| 01:41.27 | oobe | yeah i usually do just looking at his triggers |
| 01:41.41 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: lol |
| 01:41.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | all wear your most serious face immediately! |
| 01:41.52 | oobe | trust someone with CutMeOwnThroat as a nick to so no fun aloud |
| 01:41.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, stop it! |
| 01:42.08 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: what should i stop? :-) |
| 01:42.16 | OldMonk | so anyone have an opinion -- worth reporting a bug or not for this kde dependency problem? |
| 01:42.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, because of the no-fun clause! and correct your smiley: :-| |
| 01:42.46 | OldMonk | oobe: actually that's a name from a series of humourous books :) |
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| 01:43.38 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: Do you never have any fun? |
| 01:44.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, if I *have* to laugh, I have the decency to go into the basement and switch the light off!!!!!! |
| 01:44.18 | maximi89 | oldmonk: i report some time a bug dependency, but they tell me that don't need to be reported because they know |
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| 01:45.06 | OldMonk | maximi89: that's ok, since you're not a mind reader and can't figure out what they know and what they don't |
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| 01:45.28 | OldMonk | unless you scroll through about 200 pages of bug reports online |
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| 01:47.31 | maximi89 | oldmonk: that's true, but the reason it's because who made the change of packages knows what they are doing, try to report and you tell me when we see again what they tell you |
| 01:47.36 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: sounds funny :-) |
| 01:48.28 | OldMonk | maximi89: i think i'll give it another couple of days... if the issue isn't resolved by then i'll report. no critical security updates waiting anyway |
| 01:48.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, it is... it's the wine-cellar :) |
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| 01:49.38 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: :-) |
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| 01:51.17 | streuner | !CutMeOwnThroat++ |
| 01:51.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
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| 01:52.05 | streuner | !karma CutMeOwnThroat |
| 01:52.05 | dpkg | cutmeownthroat has karma of 2 |
| 01:52.09 | streuner | hm |
| 01:52.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hooray! |
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| 01:53.48 | jebbajeb | ah, i have KDE 4.2.2 running on squeeze. wowza |
| 01:54.05 | OldMonk | looks at jebbajeb and growls |
| 01:55.06 | jebbajeb | ¿y porque? why old man? |
| 01:55.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ¡! |
| 01:56.41 | OldMonk | because <insert appropriate UTF-8 punctuation here> my system is refusing to safe-upgrade due (apparently) to the ongoing transition to kde4 on testing |
| 01:56.43 | jebbajeb | i havent run kde in forever. This is nearly comical there is so much stuff running around on this thing. |
| 01:57.14 | jebbajeb | OldMonk: i had flakiness with kde yesterday or the day before, but i got a big update today which changed everything. |
| 01:58.13 | OldMonk | jebbajeb: the update didn't do anything for me unfortunately. maybe i'm just frigid or something |
| 01:58.32 | jebbajeb | when i first upgraded it was kind of whack. Nothing brought in dolphin and a whole bunch of other stuff, but i just "manually" (synaptically) grabbed everything with 4:4.2.2-2 for a version and anything else that looked intereesting |
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| 01:59.31 | OldMonk | jebbajeb: i guess i could do that, but i'm rather conservative where manually installing packages is concerned |
| 02:00.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 |
| 02:00.00 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 -- lenny: 4:4.1.0-2 squeeze: 4:4.1.0-2 sid: 4:4.2.2-1 |
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| 02:00.12 | jebbajeb | well, not quite manually. i mean i just used synaptic.... |
| 02:00.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions kate |
| 02:00.14 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: kate -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 squeeze: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 sid: 4:4.2.2-1 |
| 02:00.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | OldMonk, you only wanted kate, though, or not? |
| 02:00.43 | OldMonk | right, so why TF would kate have kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 as a dependency? |
| 02:00.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | OldMonk, why don't you install the one from stable? |
| 02:01.01 | OldMonk | CutMeOwnThroat: well, i don't but kdebase does :) |
| 02:01.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should be able to fulfill THOSE dependencies |
| 02:01.18 | jebbajeb | CutMeOwnThroat: wait,i thought i had squeeze... or maybe judd is lagging |
| 02:01.36 | \amethyst | judd is lagging |
| 02:01.37 | judd | \amethyst: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 02:01.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | jebbajeb, judd is lagging by... 1-2 days, I think |
| 02:01.42 | \amethyst | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/kdebase-runtime |
| 02:01.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | less than a week, though afaik |
| 02:01.54 | abrotman | OldMonk: which package don't you want installed ? |
| 02:02.29 | jebbajeb | \amethyst: i think you helped me the other days. So languages are definitely working and im in a whole different world, kdewise.... |
| 02:02.30 | OldMonk | abrotman: kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4, since that is causing aptitude to break due to conflicts |
| 02:02.46 | abrotman | OldMonk: i'd just wait a day or two |
| 02:02.53 | \amethyst | OldMonk: then hold all kde-related programs |
| 02:03.10 | OldMonk | kdebase needs kate needs kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 which in turn conflicts and prevents the upgrade |
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| 02:04.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, heh, did you nip out to the wine cellar yourself? |
| 02:04.13 | OldMonk | abrotman, \amethyst: will wait a couple of days. like i said, no critical security updates that apply to me right now, so no issues. |
| 02:04.13 | \amethyst | OldMonk: you'll have to remove kdebase-bin-kde3 |
| 02:04.13 | OldMonk | it's just irritating |
| 02:04.31 | OldMonk | \amethyst: er, that removes most of kde |
| 02:04.33 | \amethyst | OldMonk: if you're doing safe-upgrade, that's the problem---it won't remove packages, but here you have to to upgrade KDE. not sure why it isn't computing a solution that involves holding back all of KDE, though |
| 02:05.06 | OldMonk | full-upgrade works, at the cost of removing most of kde, which i'm unwilling to do |
| 02:05.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | the system will be BETTER without KDE |
| 02:05.25 | \amethyst | OldMonk: it will remove the kde3 stuff, and install kde4 stuff |
| 02:05.49 | \amethyst | OldMonk: if you want your kde3 stuff, you'll need to hold back kdebase, kdebase-bin, and the other KDE stuff |
| 02:06.12 | jebbajeb | apt-get -f dist-upgrade seems to fix everything :) |
| 02:06.27 | OldMonk | \amethyst: ah, right - i didn't notice it was installing kde4 |
| 02:06.38 | OldMonk | bites the bullet and starts a full-upgrade |
| 02:06.42 | jebbajeb | :) |
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| 02:07.13 | jebbajeb | \amethyst: you a package maintainer? it seems the kde-minimal (or somesuch) should drag in things like dolphin and a few other essentials. |
| 02:07.31 | OldMonk | and if my gui doesn't come up after that i'm going to personally hunt down everyone in this channel and the debian kde packaging team and... steal their doedorants! |
| 02:07.47 | kanon-mat | kde3 is nicer than kde4 imho and i already smell |
| 02:07.51 | jebbajeb | also i cant get kdm to work as for some reason its trying to use a "edu" theme (gdm has one right now for some reason too). SO if i dpkg-reconfigure kdm and select it, X breaks. |
| 02:07.51 | abrotman | or install another WM that doesn't require half of the universe ? |
| 02:08.03 | \amethyst | jebbajeb: it should |
| 02:08.51 | jebbajeb | \amethyst: well, i want to go in and change the kdm themes, but that is greyed out (probably needs sudo helper of somesort). |
| 02:08.51 | \amethyst | jebbajeb: it depends on kdebase which depends on dolphin, konqueror, and friends |
| 02:08.55 | OldMonk | i rather like kde actually |
| 02:09.27 | jebbajeb | i havent used kde much since like kde1... coming from gnome and openbox and such. its pretty funny cuz theres shit flying around all over the place. |
| 02:09.41 | jebbajeb | the cute little applets and all that.... |
| 02:09.49 | OldMonk | hmm, looks like you folks are safe for a while at least, since there's some 600mb of downloads to be completed |
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| 02:11.17 | OldMonk | s/you folks/you folks' deodorants/ |
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| 02:11.30 | jebbajeb | OldMonk: ah, there is a thing where it comes up and asks you about configuration backups and such. |
| 02:11.47 | OldMonk | jebbajeb: at what stage does it do that? |
| 02:12.05 | jebbajeb | OldMonk: IIRC synaptic popped something up. |
| 02:12.19 | OldMonk | jebbajeb: in the pre-install phase? |
| 02:12.22 | jebbajeb | i basically told it to start with completely fresh configues |
| 02:12.36 | galen | Hey, i have a weird problem... actually two |
| 02:12.47 | \amethyst | jebbajeb: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=415064 might be relevant |
| 02:12.50 | jebbajeb | OldMonk: im not sure at what point it was at. To be honest i didnt know it was going to be that big of an upgrade! haha |
| 02:13.09 | OldMonk | kefalo: at least i've been warned :) |
| 02:13.14 | OldMonk | er, jebbajeb: |
| 02:13.33 | galen | I put my 30" LCD back onto my machine, and now it is defaulting to 1280 x 800 resolution.. the monitor runs at 2560x1600 resolution natively! No matter what I do, it seems to jump back.. and the xorg.conf file is funky with all the nvidia stuff |
| 02:13.35 | OldMonk | *suffering from premature tabulation* |
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| 02:13.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | OldMonk, what if I don't have 'doedorants'? |
| 02:13.50 | galen | I also have a weird problem where fonts are suddenly VERY small in many places... e.g. the login screen text, google earth, etc. |
| 02:13.54 | galen | like... unreadably small |
| 02:13.58 | OldMonk | CutMeOwnThroat: then i'll steal your deodorant |
| 02:14.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, what if I don't have one of those either? |
| 02:14.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | believes in *washing*, not the darwinism of stink |
| 02:15.26 | OldMonk | CutMeOwnThroat: you can wallow in your own juices then :) |
| 02:16.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | OldMonk, I don't wash with my own juices... we got tap water where I live |
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| 02:16.24 | OldMonk | hmm, you belong to one of those advanced countries, huh? |
| 02:16.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like |
| 02:16.52 | OldMonk | i have to make a 10-km trip to the community washing well (uphill both ways) if i need to wash |
| 02:17.00 | galen | anybody have ideas on what is up here? i am going crazy trying to work this out |
| 02:17.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | galen, yes |
| 02:17.33 | yonkeltron | so, i've just upgraded my laptop running squeeze and half of my kde apps are kde4. i'm fine with moving to kde4 right now but can't seem to figure out how to go all the way. |
| 02:17.36 | Tramp | galen: no idea about the resolution. "Small Fonts" may be a wrong dpi setting. See http://scanline.ca/dpi/ |
| 02:17.59 | OldMonk | yonkeltron: apparently aptitude full-upgrade will do it |
| 02:18.12 | yonkeltron | OldMonk: even though that seems to take out some of my stuff? |
| 02:18.19 | yonkeltron | ok, i'll try it when i've got time |
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| 02:18.21 | yonkeltron | OldMonk: thank you! |
| 02:18.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | galen, or perhaps no, but try Option "DPI" "96x96" in Section "Monitor" , just for giggles |
| 02:18.32 | galen | Tramp: I don't know.. i have tried a lot of things similar to DPI adjustments and they are not improving |
| 02:18.38 | at0m|c | yonkeltron: i'm holding back, wouldnt want to miss amarok eh |
| 02:18.51 | OldMonk | yonkeltron: that's been exactly my problem, and that's the advice i've been given here |
| 02:18.56 | at0m|c | yonkeltron: just read properly what will be removed |
| 02:18.58 | \amethyst | dpkg, dpi is also at http://scanline.ca/dpi/ |
| 02:18.58 | dpkg | okay, \amethyst |
| 02:19.00 | OldMonk | wait, kde4 doesn't have amarok?!??!? |
| 02:19.05 | Tramp | galen: hint: you'd have to set /etc/X11//Xresources/x11-common, "Xft.dpi: 96.0" - not sure what "similar to DPI adjustments" is supposed to tell me |
| 02:19.07 | galen | CutMeOwnThroat: the most annoying issue is the resolution... i'm not sure why it keeps thinking the native resolution is 1280x1800!! |
| 02:19.26 | qiyong | a debian source packge is not a single file? |
| 02:19.44 | galen | i can switch it to 2560x1600, save the x configuration, then reboot and it's gone |
| 02:19.52 | at0m|c | OldMonk: no amarok2 on debian yet. plus, they still need to release the conversion script to new db |
| 02:20.00 | \amethyst | OldMonk: amarok in sid and squeeze is still KDE3 |
| 02:20.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | galen, build an xorg.conf file, then |
| 02:20.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | galen, or edit it |
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| 02:20.47 | OldMonk | \amethyst: suits me |
| 02:21.00 | galen | CutMeOwnThroat: I have. I even have the 2560 resolution listed under sreen inside metamodes like nvidia wants |
| 02:21.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | galen, "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" used to make one pre-lenny, but now xorg 'doesn't need an xorg.conf anymore' - everything is (should be) autodetected |
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| 02:21.20 | at0m|c | OldMonk: so /me's running mixed kde3/4 and is happy w that for now :) |
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| 02:21.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | galen, then look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log what happens to your settings on load |
| 02:22.25 | OldMonk | at0m|c: i'm happy with whatever works, whether kde3 or kde4 |
| 02:22.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm happy when things work without kde :) |
| 02:22.58 | galen | hmmmmmmm |
| 02:23.06 | galen | i think i found a bug in the nvidia software |
| 02:23.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 02:23.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ! |
| 02:23.35 | OldMonk | quite happy with kde3 in terms of usability, so i just hope kde4 doesn't mess up anything that i'm used to |
| 02:23.37 | \amethyst | a bug in nvidia software? inconceivable! |
| 02:23.43 | OldMonk | heh |
| 02:23.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's nearly as bad as if someone was wrong on the internet! |
| 02:24.13 | OldMonk | no one is ever wrong on the 'net, and wikipedia says so! |
| 02:24.45 | galen | is there any reason why my nice 8800 card doesn't have an image sharpening option, yet my crappy nforce 6150 integrated graphics on another machine have a nice image sharpening option? |
| 02:25.35 | Sashi | hey how can i get the pid of an app and write it to a file? |
| 02:26.02 | OldMonk | Sashi: man pidof |
| 02:26.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sashi, pgrep <app> >somefile |
| 02:26.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | OldMonk, someone was... http://xkcd.com/386/ |
| 02:27.25 | OldMonk | CutMeOwnThroat: hehheh |
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| 02:28.31 | galen | I'm trying to use 2.6.30-rc5 kernel from buildserver... it has a problem with resolving dependencies to linux-kbuild-2.6.30 and thus can't install the headers. Any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 02:30.55 | streuner_ | galen: Isnt that from Debian Kernel Team? |
| 02:31.02 | galen | streuner_: yes |
| 02:31.23 | galen | the kernel is great, but i think there's a PICNIC issue here with where to find the proper dependencies |
| 02:31.34 | galen | (Problem In Chair Not In Computer" |
| 02:35.54 | OldMonk | thanks folks.. later |
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| 02:40.39 | b52 | where is the minimal conf for the mysql-server located? |
| 02:40.52 | b52 | or isnt that shipped anymore? |
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| 02:42.06 | Alam_Lenny | b52, /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/examples |
| 02:45.05 | b52 | thanks Alam_Lenny |
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| 03:06.51 | jpinx-eeepc | when I do (for example) du -h /some/dir > du-logged.file is there any way I can see the output while writing it to the file? |
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| 03:07.28 | maximi89 | jpinx-eeepc: i have working suspend to ram and disk well |
| 03:08.00 | jpinx-eeepc | maximi89: cool:) |
| 03:08.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, tail -f du-logged .file |
| 03:08.24 | Dominicus | I just uninstalled what i could of kde4 from my debian system. Now, when i go to "sudo aptitude install kde", I get some weird message indicating that "kicker" needs something from kde 4.x instead of from 3.x, and thus prevents me from installing kde 3.x. Can someone tell me why "kicker" is being complained about as being broken, when aptitude says it isn't even installed? --> http://rafb.net/p/fO |
| 03:08.26 | Dominicus | 1vKH79.html |
| 03:08.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | or du -h /some/dir | tee du-logged.file |
| 03:08.40 | Dominicus | I just uninstalled what i could of kde4 from my debian system. Now, when i go to "sudo aptitude install kde", I get some weird message indicating that "kicker" needs something from kde 4.x instead of from 3.x, and thus prevents me from installing kde 3.x. Can someone tell me why "kicker" is being complained about as being broken? --> http://rafb.net/p/fO1vKH79.html |
| 03:08.54 | Dominicus | cringes at the splitting of links |
| 03:08.58 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: of course - silly me :) thanks |
| 03:10.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, aptitude why kicker |
| 03:10.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess |
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| 03:11.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | who knows if this aptitude balderdash turns up something useful |
| 03:12.36 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: Why that is marvelous. i did not know of that feature of aptitude. --> http://rafb.net/p/spBllS65.html |
| 03:13.32 | \amethyst | Dominicus: what's wrong with the solution aptitude proposes? |
| 03:13.41 | \amethyst | Dominicus: you want KDE3, right? |
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| 03:14.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, apparently nothing |
| 03:14.44 | Dominicus | \amethyst: Yes, i'm trying to switch back to kd3. It just wants some stuff to install from kde4 though, which is bizarre isn't it? |
| 03:14.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | or |
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| 03:16.37 | Phil_26_ | Hi. Do somoene have some experience with Debian 4.0 and Deluge? |
| 03:16.45 | Phil_26_ | I have heard that it is unstable |
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| 03:17.45 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: Now that I have issued a purge against kwin and knewsticker-scripts... I get this from "aptitude why kicker" as it is still being reported as broken while still be reported as not installed. --> http://rafb.net/p/oLI4hb29.html |
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| 03:18.32 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: Is it even possible for something to be reported as broken for trying to install kde (v 3.x) when it's not even installed? |
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| 03:19.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 03:19.17 | \amethyst | Dominicus: it sounds like it's installing the testing version of 'kde' |
| 03:19.39 | \amethyst | Dominicus: oh, never mind, that's not in testing |
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| 03:19.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 03:20.12 | \amethyst | Dominicus: but probably it's pulling in the testing version of some KDE package, and that's pulling in the kde4 stuff |
| 03:20.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't feel I'll ever have great love for aptitude |
| 03:20.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | or perhaps I will |
| 03:20.39 | Dominicus | \amethyst: I'm enabled to automatically pull from testing, that my sweet spot, and I selectively elect to go unstable occasionally. |
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| 03:21.30 | \amethyst | Dominicus: well, testing has kde4, so if you upgrade KDE packages to the testing version you'll get kde4 |
| 03:22.07 | Bry-Dog | yay upgrade to kde4... *shoots foot* |
| 03:22.11 | \amethyst | Dominicus: mixing stable and testing isn't really supported... you might try removing the testing source, updating, installing KDE, then adding it back |
| 03:22.56 | \amethyst | Dominicus: and holding or pinning KDE packages |
| 03:23.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bry-Dog, pity you shot foot #1 for installing kde in the 1st place :-P |
| 03:23.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's life! |
| 03:23.31 | Dominicus | Bry-Dog: Upgrading to Unstable kde4 was wicked sweet, until it went all glitchy. |
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| 03:24.06 | \amethyst | e.g. Package: *kde* Pin: release a=stable Pin-Priority: 999 in apt-preferences |
| 03:24.16 | c63 | i changed the default character set of my mysqld |
| 03:24.31 | \amethyst | (or maybe lower the priority for *kde* a=testing |
| 03:24.33 | \amethyst | ) |
| 03:24.47 | c63 | can i clear all mysql databases and redo the initial creatin of all mysql related databases? |
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| 03:26.02 | modelinden | how can i delete games from gnome on the console |
| 03:26.36 | c63 | ls /usr/share/mysql/ |
| 03:27.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't paste |
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| 03:27.44 | c63 | wrong screen window |
| 03:27.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | how many databases? |
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| 03:28.17 | c63 | actually zero |
| 03:28.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you don't have to delete any :) |
| 03:28.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 03:28.34 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 03:28.41 | Bry-Dog | Dominicus: it all looks really cool it just didnt import half my settings so I am trying to make heads and tails of everything all over again. |
| 03:28.57 | c63 | doesnt mysql use internally databases to store username, password etc? |
| 03:29.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 03:29.06 | Dominicus | c63: Yup |
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| 03:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you don't have non-ascii stuff in there, normally |
| 03:29.31 | c63 | so i have to remove these databases and recreate them to let them run in my new charaterset |
| 03:30.10 | c63 | since i got absolutly zero data in my mysql server i just wouldlike to redo the step the myql server installation runs |
| 03:30.23 | Dominicus | c63 I'm pretty sure that's a #mysql question. |
| 03:30.35 | \amethyst | c63: alter table blah convert to character set blah; |
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| 03:32.29 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat & \amethyst: Just commenting out everything but stable in my sources.list file, updating, and attempting to "sudo aptitude install kde" fixed the issue. That's crazy cool. Thanks guys. |
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| 03:37.14 | nsadmin | !ops lambchop [n=asdfasdf@pool-173-66-142-44.washdc.fios.verizon.net] entered, used dcc exploit, many clients error-quit, left. |
| 03:37.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nsadmin complains about: lambchop [n=asdfasdf@pool-173-66-142-44.washdc.fios.verizon.net] entered, used dcc exploit, many clients error-quit, left. |
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| 03:38.26 | stew | nsadmin: thanks |
| 03:38.57 | nsadmin | he's gone, but I'm guessing something will be back |
| 03:39.41 | Dominicus | sounds more like it's time to identify the common irc client those guys are using, and advise them to upgrade or switch to something less exploitable, if possible. |
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| 03:40.06 | nsadmin | that would be a better solution |
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| 03:40.14 | stew | (already klined) |
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| 03:40.25 | dondelelcaro | Dominicus: it's their router, and it's known |
| 03:40.54 | Dominicus | shrugs his shoulders at the lack of a firmware update. |
| 03:41.21 | pl4yer0ne | dondelelcaro, which router? |
| 03:42.00 | pl4yer0ne | you mean like a home users dsl router yeah? |
| 03:43.32 | pl4yer0ne | ahh NM seem to have found info |
| 03:44.10 | dondelelcaro | Dominicus: I think there is one, but... |
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| 03:45.56 | Dominicus | Can anyone tell me how to view the data being sent to port 12223 periodically that is broadcast by another computer? It was happening at school today, and allegedly, that's a keylogger port, and I was interested in verifying it before bugging a network admin at my university. |
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| 03:46.13 | Dominicus | Or at least, what irc channel would be best equipped to help me with that? |
| 03:46.46 | pl4yer0ne | wireshark if you want to look at the packets |
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| 03:47.01 | stew | Dominicus: "tcpump -A -i eth0 port 12223" ; eth0 might have to be adjusted |
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| 03:48.07 | Dominicus | pl4yer0ne & stew: I was having kmyfirewall log the packets and I was tailing them live and found them. Thanks. |
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| 03:50.15 | nsadmin | Dominicus: what were you looking for? how did the result help you? |
| 03:50.50 | Dominicus | nsadmin: for trying to detect whether or not the packets were from a keylogger, or my kde issue? |
| 03:51.10 | nsadmin | the key logger thing |
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| 03:52.56 | Dominicus | nsadmin: Well, i saw that kmyfirewall was dropping packets from a machine on the wired ethernet, so I looked up the port, saw that it may have been a keylogger known to collect data at UDP 12223. But, I wanted to be make sure it wasn't something else (if I was even able to recognize one or the other), before alerting the IT department at the University. Because, the last thing they need is... |
| 03:52.58 | Dominicus | ...some "wanna be" crackpot running them around on a wild goose chase. =) |
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| 03:53.48 | skypce | hi friends, i want a kfreebsd (debian freebsd) distro, do you known if exist something like this? |
| 03:54.05 | skypce | something updated i say |
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| 03:54.30 | dondelelcaro | skypce: there is a Debian GNU/kFreeBSD |
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| 03:54.51 | repsol | Hello |
| 03:55.18 | skypce | hola dondeelcaro , |
| 03:55.34 | skypce | pero esa distro la tienen tirada de enero del 2009 |
| 03:55.35 | repsol | I am trying to sudo apt-get install b43xx-fwcutter but it says it can't find that? Any ideas? |
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| 03:56.28 | Dominicus | repsol: try b43-fwcutter instead. |
| 03:56.38 | unomi | try apt-cache search fwcutter |
| 03:57.20 | Dominicus | repsol: what unomi said, and you'll see that you just have two extra xx's in there is all. |
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| 03:57.24 | repsol | unomi, came back empty set |
| 03:57.37 | unomi | strange, unomi@freelancer:~$ apt-cache search fwcutter |
| 03:57.37 | unomi | b43-fwcutter - Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware |
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| 03:58.05 | repsol | Well it might be weird I have to warn you up front. It is ppc |
| 03:58.11 | repsol | lenny unstable |
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| 03:58.49 | Dominicus | repsol: I'm stable/testing on ia32, I have access to it. |
| 03:58.52 | stew | !versions fwcutter --arch powerpc |
| 03:58.58 | stew | judd: versions fwcutter --arch powerpc |
| 03:58.58 | judd | stew: fwcutter -- |
| 03:58.58 | \amethyst | !contrib |
| 03:58.58 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [etch|lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 03:59.04 | nsadmin | hmm... lenny unstable? is ppc arch behind? |
| 03:59.06 | repsol | do I need to upgrade a repo maybe? |
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| 03:59.40 | \amethyst | repsol: ^^ see above about contrib |
| 03:59.51 | stew | repsol: no, it appears to be unavailable for powerpc |
| 04:00.01 | Dominicus | contrib based sources.list repository, Ah... |
| 04:00.15 | stew | hmm |
| 04:00.18 | stew | or judd is out of date |
| 04:00.37 | stew | repsol: pdo says it is available for ppc but in contrib |
| 04:00.45 | repsol | what is mymirror sorry kind of a debian newb |
| 04:01.14 | nsadmin | look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:01.19 | repsol | k |
| 04:01.31 | stew | oh, duh, i'm using the wrong packagename |
| 04:01.40 | stew | judd: versions b43-fwcutter --arch powerpc |
| 04:01.41 | judd | stew: b43-fwcutter -- etch/contrib: 1:011-1~etchnhalf.2 lenny/contrib: 1:011-5 sid/contrib: 1:011-7 squeeze/contrib: 1:011-7 |
| 04:01.57 | repsol | oh ya I don't have a contrib |
| 04:02.08 | nsadmin | contrib seems to be a repeating theme here :) |
| 04:02.28 | stew | repsol: you have a line that starts with "deb" and ends with "main". make that end with "main contrib" |
| 04:02.53 | repsol | ok |
| 04:03.03 | bullgard4 | What does 'ept' stand for in /usr/share/doc/libept0? |
| 04:03.23 | nsadmin | extensible pregnancy test? |
| 04:03.51 | repsol | stew do I need to run a command before it will work? |
| 04:03.57 | nsadmin | yes |
| 04:04.03 | nsadmin | aptitude update |
| 04:04.09 | stew | ^^ |
| 04:04.39 | repsol | sweet it is spitting out lots of stuff |
| 04:05.00 | nsadmin | when it's done, try the install command |
| 04:05.54 | repsol | sweet now it has fwcutter you guys rock |
| 04:06.07 | nsadmin | or contrib rocks :) |
| 04:06.19 | repsol | lol |
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| 04:06.42 | repsol | now after that I will have to figure out cut & paste adn I will have a working box |
| 04:06.47 | nsadmin | or apt-get rocks... but we knew that |
| 04:07.56 | keith4__ | does anyone know where the debian postgres package.... keeps databases on disk? |
| 04:08.04 | stew | bullgard4: i'm not sure that's documented. good question. my top gueses would be "Enrico" then "Extended" |
| 04:08.16 | repsol | I am wireless and you guys are awesome |
| 04:08.19 | repsol | wpa2 |
| 04:08.54 | Dominicus | repsol: Nice. Enjoy that. Just max out your passphrase length for the most security. |
| 04:09.20 | nsadmin | keith4__ isn't it /var/lib/postgresql/7.4/data? |
| 04:09.26 | repsol | I will hang out here for a while and see if I can contribute anything back |
| 04:09.41 | keith4__ | nsadmin: maybe? |
| 04:10.28 | keith4__ | I have 8.1/main, not 7.4/data ... |
| 04:10.56 | nsadmin | yeah that's it |
| 04:11.20 | nsadmin | I actually have a 7.4 and a 8.1 |
| 04:11.57 | Dominicus | Does anyone have a clue about how many packages exist, so I know when to expect this "Resolving dependencies..." thing to finish? It's already at 12000 closed. |
| 04:12.21 | \amethyst | those aren't packages it's counting |
| 04:12.27 | keith4__ | nsadmin: k, thanks |
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| 04:12.43 | Dominicus | did a "sudo aptitude upgrade" and it's trying to resolve itself. |
| 04:12.44 | nsadmin | and you're right, main, not data |
| 04:12.45 | \amethyst | but potential solutions to conflicts |
| 04:12.48 | nsadmin | but |
| 04:12.48 | repsol | hehe I just figured something out no right click |
| 04:13.09 | Dominicus | \amethyst: that's not encouraging either way. LOL |
| 04:13.17 | \amethyst | Dominicus: you added back testing and didn't hold back or pin kde? |
| 04:13.22 | nsadmin | the default place is something like /usr/local/pgsql/data/ |
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| 04:14.16 | nsadmin | but you can really put it anywhere you want, and debian did that... their setup allows multiple versions of pg to coexist |
| 04:14.35 | Dominicus | \amethyst: I have some pinning from before. I stripped it down to stable, installed kde no problem, opened back up to testing, updated, and started an upgrade request, and it's spending all it's time trying to resolve these 5 conflicts . It's at 17k closed now. |
| 04:15.12 | \amethyst | Dominicus: in situations like these I load up the fullscreen interface and resolve it by hand :) |
| 04:15.19 | \amethyst | it's like sudoku |
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| 04:16.11 | Dominicus | \amethyst: It's like "suckage". The aptitude graphical interface is so awkward to use it confuses me horribly. *cringes at the thought* |
| 04:16.22 | \amethyst | and aptitude is considering among its solutions to the puzzle various ways of changing history so that sudoku never existed |
| 04:16.29 | \amethyst | there's also dselect |
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| 04:18.41 | maximi89 | bye guys! |
| 04:18.48 | maximi89 | thanks for the time today! |
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| 04:20.29 | bnijk | does anybody know how to find Knghtbrd |
| 04:20.36 | bnijk | does he still exist |
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| 04:20.49 | bnijk | and if so who is he |
| 04:20.51 | skypce | how can i install ging on my hd? |
| 04:21.03 | bnijk | i dunno man, apt-get install ging? |
| 04:21.22 | bnijk | i'm here on official business |
| 04:21.23 | jas | omg yes |
| 04:21.30 | bnijk | what is ging |
| 04:21.50 | jas | what is official business? |
| 04:21.52 | skypce | is a bootable disc of debian bsd |
| 04:22.07 | bnijk | all business of the official variety |
| 04:22.15 | bnijk | not including unofficial business |
| 04:22.26 | jas | whaaat? |
| 04:22.27 | skypce | i am a old machine and i want install ging |
| 04:22.54 | bnijk | i'm not looking so fresh myself |
| 04:23.05 | skypce | i try with kfreebsd but i have many problems |
| 04:23.32 | bnijk | try arch linux |
| 04:23.36 | bnijk | it's my favorite distro |
| 04:24.01 | skypce | thank you bnijk , i will probe it |
| 04:24.26 | jas | omg .... |
| 04:24.49 | nsadmin | bnijk: official business is probably irrelevent... how would anyone know and why would anyone bother to verify? |
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| 04:25.16 | bnijk | that's not my concern, really |
| 04:25.38 | bnijk | fiddles with his top-hat |
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| 04:26.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | troll |
| 04:26.40 | Dominicus | thinks bnijk should just hire a detective that will waste bnijk's money anyway. |
| 04:26.45 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: LOL |
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| 04:27.14 | bnijk | you're the troll |
| 04:27.21 | bnijk | we're all trolls |
| 04:27.30 | bnijk | once we find somebody that disagrees with us |
| 04:27.36 | skypce | <bnijk> , which file download , i have a i386 , but i dont know if i need a img or a iso file http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/archlinux/iso/2009.02/ |
| 04:28.06 | bnijk | you want the iso |
| 04:28.11 | bnijk | and you want the core one, not the netinst/ftp one |
| 04:28.22 | bnijk | lemme see |
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| 04:28.35 | skypce | thank you |
| 04:28.56 | bnijk | x86 or 64 |
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| 04:29.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | skypce, http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/ging/ |
| 04:29.58 | skypce | x86 |
| 04:30.07 | nsadmin | notes in passing that skypce can run any dist he wants... |
| 04:30.25 | bnijk | http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/archlinux/iso/2009.02/archlinux-2009.02-core-i686.iso |
| 04:30.35 | bnijk | but this one comes highly recommended from sexy professionals |
| 04:30.43 | bnijk | including, most importantly, myself |
| 04:30.56 | skypce | thank you bnijk |
| 04:31.01 | skypce | the last question |
| 04:31.15 | skypce | archlinux use gnome? |
| 04:31.26 | bnijk | it comes without a WM |
| 04:31.40 | bnijk | you just do pacman -S gnome to install gnome |
| 04:31.44 | bnijk | but you should use xmonad ;) |
| 04:31.52 | nsadmin | you should be able to build whatever you want on any dist |
| 04:31.56 | skypce | thank you again |
| 04:32.02 | bnijk | yes nsadmin |
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| 04:34.41 | jas | bnijk: u cant do propaganda to archlinux in the debian channel ...can not find? |
| 04:34.52 | bnijk | i'm here to ask about Knghtbrd |
| 04:34.58 | bnijk | has anybody seen him |
| 04:35.11 | jas | u can stay here |
| 04:35.22 | bnijk | good, it's cold outside |
| 04:35.26 | jas | but cant say that we are trolls |
| 04:35.37 | jas | can not find? |
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| 04:36.38 | omid8bimo | how can i make sure my motorola fxo card won't share irq with usb controller |
| 04:37.00 | omid8bimo | ? |
| 04:37.04 | nkuttler | omid8bimo: bios settings? |
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| 04:37.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | is sharing a problem? |
| 04:37.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | 's last irq problems that he can remember are >>10 years back |
| 04:37.54 | bnijk | sharing is a crime CutMeOwnThroat |
| 04:38.09 | omid8bimo | nkuttler: won't allow me |
| 04:38.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | bnijk, do you have a Debian question? |
| 04:38.17 | jas | lol bnijk |
| 04:38.18 | omid8bimo | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah |
| 04:38.26 | minsa | how do I get non-us packages for squeeze .. I mean I have tried putting non-US sources into sources.list |
| 04:38.32 | minsa | but not successful so far |
| 04:38.37 | bnijk | i'm waiting to hear about Knghtbrd |
| 04:38.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | minsa, there is no non-US anymore |
| 04:38.46 | jas | bnijk is a troll without brain!!! |
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| 04:38.56 | bnijk | i'm the smartest troll you've ever met |
| 04:39.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | bnijk, wait silently |
| 04:39.04 | bmoll8 | hey guys--I am thinking about switching from freebsd to debian, and wanted to ask a few questions |
| 04:39.05 | dondelelcaro | bnijk, jas: take it elsewhere, please. |
| 04:39.09 | minsa | let me know if something is wrong ..deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/debian-non-US squeeze/non-US main |
| 04:39.13 | bnijk | fine |
| 04:39.18 | bnijk | i'll go start my own #debian |
| 04:39.21 | dondelelcaro | minsa: there are no non-US packages anymore |
| 04:39.26 | bnijk | with Knghtbrd, and orgies |
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| 04:39.32 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@cpe-74-79-175-23.twcny.res.rr.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 04:39.33 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 04:39.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | thx... |
| 04:40.13 | bmoll8 | Specifically: How long does it generally take to download an install large packages (with dependencies), such as kde and gnome? And how are options passed to particular packes --via dpkg -reconfigure? |
| 04:40.30 | bmoll8 | Also of importance is HAL; does it work properly on debian? In freebsd it is crap |
| 04:40.41 | minsa | dondelelcaro... thnx.. |
| 04:40.48 | dondelelcaro | bmoll8: depends on your system; for most people it's limited by their connection |
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| 04:40.59 | bmoll8 | dondelelcaro: i am on comcast cable |
| 04:41.09 | minsa | xine, vlc, mplayer.. none of them can play dvd |
| 04:41.17 | minsa | any pointer is appreciated |
| 04:41.23 | bmoll8 | vlc plays dvd's just fine |
| 04:41.43 | bmoll8 | dondelelcaro: and what about HAL? Any issues or bugs in your experience? |
| 04:41.46 | dondelelcaro | minsa: you probably don't have libdvdcss2 or similar |
| 04:42.02 | dondelelcaro | bmoll8: I don't really use hal; there certainly are bugs in it, but they usually get fixed. |
| 04:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dmm |
| 04:42.12 | dpkg | i guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 04:42.17 | minsa | libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/minsa/.dvdnav/.map' |
| 04:42.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | minsa ^^^ |
| 04:42.19 | bmoll8 | dondelelcaro: doesn't it come with modern desktops? |
| 04:42.28 | dondelelcaro | bmoll8: I don't use a "modern desktop" |
| 04:42.33 | minsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.38 | worr | bmoll8, from my light use of FreeBSD, installing packages is definitely faster on Debian. |
| 04:42.44 | minsa | libdvdnav: ifoRead_TITLE_VOBU_ADMAP vtsi failed |
| 04:42.48 | worr | That is, if you're comparing ports to Debian packages. |
| 04:42.52 | bmoll8 | dondelelcaro: quite frankly, I don't want to either; i'd only like to have it for guests using my desktop |
| 04:42.53 | minsa | those are the error messages I got with vlc |
| 04:43.02 | bmoll8 | well, freebsd is great if you are running a server |
| 04:43.09 | worr | Mostly because we dobn't compile packages from source. |
| 04:43.10 | bmoll8 | for a desktop---you will be compiling more than you'd like |
| 04:43.19 | dondelelcaro | bmoll8: but generally speaking, it just works... almost everything is starting to migrate to using hal though, so even I'm starting to have to deal with it |
| 04:43.19 | worr | Debian is also good for servers. |
| 04:43.22 | minsa | dmm squeeze |
| 04:43.33 | bmoll8 | well, it would be fine if fbsd had more packages---but packages are an afterthought in fbsd |
| 04:43.34 | minsa | !dmm squeeze |
| 04:43.34 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 04:43.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | minsa, try as '/msg dpkg dmm squeeze' |
| 04:43.46 | worr | bmoll8, since Stable doesn't change excepting for security updates, it makes for a very stable, secure system./ |
| 04:43.51 | bmoll8 | that, and the fact that companies seem to give more of a damn about linux than fbsd is forcing me to make the switch |
| 04:44.09 | jas | for sure debian is better than freebsd for modern desktop too |
| 04:44.10 | minsa | CutMeOwnThroat : thnx a lot |
| 04:44.18 | dondelelcaro | bmoll8: you could also run kfreebsd if you wanted to, though... |
| 04:44.21 | bmoll8 | I shouldn't have to run wine to use flash---and fbsd's native flash is week |
| 04:44.22 | dondelelcaro | but up to you |
| 04:44.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | minsa, that won't fix your problem with vlc (you hadn't mentioned that at the time), but contains additional codecs, etc you might want/need that can't be in Debian for legal reasons |
| 04:44.47 | worr | bmoll8, also, there seem to be fewer breakages in Debian upgrades than FreeBSD upgrades |
| 04:44.48 | bmoll8 | dondelelcaro: nah, i'd like to make a clean swith |
| 04:44.53 | bmoll8 | *switch |
| 04:44.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | minsa, and btw. you might want to give mplayer a try... |
| 04:45.05 | bmoll8 | worr: yes, I am excited about debian |
| 04:45.11 | worr | I help maintain a couple of FreeBSD servers, and though I'm still learning the tricks to FreeBSD, we get a couple breaks here and there |
| 04:45.30 | worr | On Debian stable, I've never gotten _any_ breaks. |
| 04:45.37 | minsa | CutMeOwnThroat : I tried that mplayer also doesn't work... so I need to hunt library outside of debian repository ? |
| 04:45.44 | bmoll8 | worr: as a server environment, it is wonderful, mostly becuase you won't be compiling too much |
| 04:45.51 | worr | bmoll8, I'd say, coming from FreeBSD, Debian is the best place to start as far as Linuces go. |
| 04:45.58 | bmoll8 | worr: and what about stale dependencies in debian...what do you run to clear them up? |
| 04:46.03 | worr | bmoll8, Yeah, also the release system is pretty awesome. |
| 04:46.04 | bmoll8 | worr: I used ubuntu in the past and hated it |
| 04:46.12 | bmoll8 | worr: migrated to freebsd, and loved the control I had |
| 04:46.21 | worr | Well, that problem isn't *much* of an issue in Debian |
| 04:46.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | minsa, I take it back - that also fixes your problem with vlc, because vlc is missing libdvdcss (dmm has libdvdcss2 ) |
| 04:46.40 | worr | In Ubuntu, stable tends to change far more often than Debian. |
| 04:46.54 | bmoll8 | worr: in fbsd, what can happen is you may update your ports tree...then install some packages---and bang! Packages depend on stale dependencies |
| 04:47.03 | worr | So stale dependencies is *never* an issue when doing upgrades within stable. |
| 04:47.13 | bmoll8 | worr: well, I intend to use testing |
| 04:47.24 | worr | Testing, it still doesn't quite happen. |
| 04:47.44 | bmoll8 | aren't packages updated? |
| 04:47.46 | worr | If they phase out a package, they usually include a virtual package that pulls in equivalent dependencies. |
| 04:47.57 | worr | In stable, only for security updates. |
| 04:48.05 | bmoll8 | worr: and what about the old dependencies? are they deleted automatically? |
| 04:48.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | what exactly do you mean with 'stale dependencies'? |
| 04:48.17 | bmoll8 | CutMeOwnThroat: outdated |
| 04:48.20 | minsa | CutMeOwnThroat : I am looking for that.. thnx |
| 04:48.35 | bmoll8 | CutMeOwnThroat: your icc handle is disturbing |
| 04:48.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean packages that aren't in the current distribution |
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| 04:48.54 | Arrowmaster | automatically installed packages are removed once nothing is depending on them |
| 04:49.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | icc? |
| 04:49.15 | worr | bmoll8, yeah that is mostly a non-issue with debian |
| 04:49.29 | worr | At least, in 5 years of usage, I've never had that issue with stable or testing. |
| 04:49.50 | bmoll8 | wow, I have it constantly with fbsd |
| 04:50.02 | bmoll8 | have to always run pkgdb -F to fix the issues |
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| 04:50.07 | jas | debian is the way bmoll8 , dont to fear, and perseveres! |
| 04:50.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | bmoll8, since... relatively shortly, packages are marked as installed automatically or manually - the ones that aren't installed manually can be auto-removed when there are no other packages depending on them anymore (if that's what you mean) |
| 04:50.30 | Ringo48 | anybody know why "apt-get dist-upgrade" is trying to install mysql client and server? |
| 04:50.37 | bmoll8 | well, there were a variety of reasons I want to migrate to Debian |
| 04:50.52 | bmoll8 | your documentation is as good as freebsd's ( despite what fbsd users say about the handbook) |
| 04:50.52 | worr | bmoll8, keep in mind though, if you use testing, you'll get updates quite frequently. And there is the *very* rare risk that something might break. |
| 04:50.54 | Ringo48 | nothing appears to be dependent on them |
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| 04:51.06 | worr | I actually disagree there. |
| 04:51.14 | bmoll8 | worr: but stable it rarely updated...and is missing many packages, no? |
| 04:51.35 | bmoll8 | mostly, I am getting tired of things from linux being 'ported' over to fbsd |
| 04:51.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | on the other hand, I did a full-upgrade from etch to lenny, while apache1 from etch happily keept running (which in a way is a good thing, because it's configured and apache2 would not be) |
| 04:51.35 | worr | Not really missing many packages, but the versions get outdated later in stable's life. |
| 04:51.40 | Arrowmaster | sometimes things change in testing that you have to manually switch, like i found out that sometime while lenny was in testing rsyslog replaced sysklog and even after i switched to squeeze i was still using sysklog instead of rsyslog |
| 04:51.48 | worr | And if you really need something newer, there is always backport. |
| 04:51.48 | bmoll8 | specifically HAL, and then not working. |
| 04:51.51 | worr | *backports |
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| 04:51.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ringo48, aptitude why mysql, perhaps? |
| 04:52.04 | minsa | CutMeOwnThroat : it's working.. thnx a lot... Now I can waste countless hours without knowing.. ! :D |
| 04:52.05 | worr | bmoll8, Also, never had an issue with HAL ever so far. |
| 04:52.06 | bmoll8 | worr: i imagine it won't be too difficult to learn; there are similarities to fbsd |
| 04:52.16 | bmoll8 | worr: so, you stick a usb stick in, and it just automatically mounts? |
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| 04:52.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ringo48, (or the equivalent with the real package name) |
| 04:52.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | minsa, sorry for that :) |
| 04:52.39 | Ringo48 | ah, thanks |
| 04:52.44 | worr | Not by default without a desktop environment, but that is relatively easy to set up. |
| 04:53.09 | worr | bmoll8, I'm guessing you used FreeBSD in a server environment? |
| 04:53.17 | bmoll8 | worr: server and desktop |
| 04:53.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr not-so-rare risk... that's why it's testing :) |
| 04:53.24 | bmoll8 | worr: as a server, it's been great; as a desktop, a pure headache |
| 04:53.34 | worr | Server, no it won't. |
| 04:53.44 | worr | As a desktop, with Gnome, KDE, or Xfce, it will. |
| 04:53.53 | worr | I dunno if LXDE has that, I haven't played around with it much. |
| 04:54.00 | bmoll8 | I lost two days of my life trying to get HAl to work...and emailed a bunch of dick kernel developers with data, only to get the response that 'Oh, your device isn't being recognized...the kernel is fine' |
| 04:54.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | bmoll8, stable right now is relatively current, as the current stable only came out this year... |
| 04:54.11 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, it's happened to me *once* :) |
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| 04:54.30 | bmoll8 | they basically blew off the issue; problems with HAL on freebsd have been around for years, and no one has done anything about them |
| 04:54.30 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, I run a combo of unstable and experimental and packages still don't break. |
| 04:54.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, well, it happened to me more than once :) |
| 04:54.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, well, let me say this: you are one lucky barstud then |
| 04:55.04 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, I also run a really lightweight system with very few packages installed |
| 04:55.04 | bmoll8 | also...the handbook's instructions were flat out wrong for a number of things pertaining to desktop environment's and HAL; that's when I decided to make the switch |
| 04:55.20 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, also, I check the Sidux homepage before I update Sid. |
| 04:55.26 | bmoll8 | again, for lower level information (kernel configuration, updating, etc), the fbsd handbook is great |
| 04:55.29 | worr | They let you know if stuff will break. |
| 04:55.42 | bmoll8 | for other stuff...not so much |
| 04:55.46 | worr | bmoll8, I always found the Handbook awesome, but I only do server stuff with FreeBSD. |
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| 04:56.00 | worr | bmoll8, I wish they had more on handling upgrades though. |
| 04:56.10 | oh_noes | Is there a debian 'just enough os' (not ubuntu jeos) |
| 04:56.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | bmoll8, well... there is nearly no reason to ever configure a kernel on Debian... so I guess the docu is not so good either :) |
| 04:56.16 | bmoll8 | worr: yes, if you just run a server, the handbook is airtight |
| 04:56.23 | oh_noes | with a very small foot print designed for Virtual Applications |
| 04:56.31 | jas | stable is for code that is stable, no new version: new code=new bugs bmoll8 stable isnt 'without bugs' but only moore debugged |
| 04:56.32 | bmoll8 | i just use generic; compiled my own kernel a year ago just to geek out |
| 04:56.36 | worr | bmoll8, But Debian *definitely* makes a better desktop OS than FreeBSD, simply cause there are more developers devoted to making it a good desktop OS |
| 04:56.46 | bmoll8 | worr: exactly; that is my reasoning as well |
| 04:56.57 | bmoll8 | worr: in fbsd I got the impression that people really didn't give a shit |
| 04:57.04 | bmoll8 | 'Don't use HAL; manually mount!' |
| 04:57.21 | worr | :P Debian users used to be like that, from what I remember as a noobie. |
| 04:57.22 | bmoll8 | i mean, of course I can manually mount...but I have friends, relatives, who aren't power-users |
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| 04:57.39 | bmoll8 | I grow weary of how arrogant developers are |
| 04:57.55 | worr | Yeah, makes sense. And if you wanna convert them to a desktop OS, Ubuntu may be right up their alley. |
| 04:57.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | bmoll8, there's a package usbmount (that I use for long) to get usb sticks mounted automatically - I umount them manually, though as I think that's safer |
| 04:58.04 | bmoll8 | I work around mathematicians all day long; some are dicks, but they've earned it...mathematics is very difficult |
| 04:58.20 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, DE's will handle that automatically though...no need for that package. |
| 04:58.32 | worr | Also automount works, and for more than just usb devices. |
| 04:58.35 | bmoll8 | coding---while challenging, is not the most difficult thing out there, and being a good coder is no excuse for being a prick |
| 04:58.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, well, probably... I wouldn't know, not ever using a DE |
| 04:58.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | bmoll8, is there any? |
| 04:58.57 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, I did back in the day, and I maintain a computer lab with a bunch of Debian/Ubuntu machines. |
| 04:59.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... I am one, but it'd not occur to me to excuse it :) |
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| 04:59.23 | worr | bmoll8, also automounting requires kernel support...and I think Debian has it compiled as a module by default. |
| 04:59.34 | worr | I dunno, cause I run a custom kernel. :) |
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| 04:59.44 | bmoll8 | worr: thank you for all the inpu |
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| 04:59.46 | bmoll8 | *input |
| 04:59.50 | worr | bmoll8, anytime, man. |
| 04:59.56 | bmoll8 | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks to you as well; I am joining the Debian movement |
| 05:00.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw, bmoll8 you might find that one funny: http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/ging/screenshots/ |
| 05:00.10 | bmoll8 | it should take me an hour max to get a full fledged desktop up and running |
| 05:00.14 | worr | Hit me up if you need any help. |
| 05:00.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, bmoll8 I meant http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/ging/ |
| 05:00.25 | bmoll8 | something which could never be done with fbsd...compiling gnome or kde would take longer |
| 05:00.43 | bmoll8 | thanks; take it easy guys |
| 05:00.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that should take longe |
| 05:00.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | r |
| 05:01.03 | worr | You're welcome. If you need help, just ask. |
| 05:01.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | etch->lenny definitely took longer than an hour |
| 05:01.18 | jas | celebrating bmoll8 that are joining Debian 'movement' :D |
| 05:01.38 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, depends...it took me under an hour. |
| 05:01.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | jas, '/me/' |
| 05:01.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 05:01.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jas, '/me' |
| 05:01.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | typo-hell |
| 05:01.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, amazing |
| 05:02.06 | jas | hu? CutMeOwnThroat ? |
| 05:02.17 | worr | celebrates! |
| 05:02.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | celebrates too |
| 05:02.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | and worr just wait for jas to celebrate as well |
| 05:02.42 | jas | :P sorry for my english |
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| 05:02.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | you english was not the point |
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| 05:03.10 | jas | was? |
| 05:03.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | try '/me hits himself on the head' |
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| 05:03.42 | jas | try silence |
| 05:03.51 | jas | is better |
| 05:03.53 | rkt | hi,i am having a vps with debian 4 in it,and i got serious issue in setting up java 'Error occurred during initialization of VM' |
| 05:04.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | jas, no, type '/me does something' without the quotes.... |
| 05:04.26 | rkt | hi |
| 05:04.31 | rkt | :) |
| 05:04.42 | jas | does something |
| 05:04.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | NOT you :-P |
| 05:04.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 05:05.00 | worr | Anyone know the best way to submit a really significant change to a package? |
| 05:05.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | rkt, what did you do to set it up? |
| 05:05.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, bts? |
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| 05:05.47 | worr | I plan on making a significant change to a Debian package...should I just upload a giant patch to a related bug? |
| 05:05.56 | worr | Or send the patch to the dev? |
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| 05:06.04 | rkt | normal apt-get,but it throws me an error related to memory,is that an issue wrt (the vps doesnt have enough memory for java) |
| 05:06.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, mail the maintainer? |
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| 05:06.29 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, I know one of the two, but which one? :P |
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| 05:06.43 | jas | reflects thoughtful and skeptical doubtful air |
| 05:07.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, if the maintainer doesn't react, ask in #debian-mentors... |
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| 05:07.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, honestly, I don't know ... 'in so many words' - I'm e.g. not sure if everyone can make a non-maintainer upload |
| 05:07.50 | worr | I meant an upload to the BTS. |
| 05:08.02 | jas | to become a debian developer .... is hard :P |
| 05:08.03 | oh_noes | Is there a debian 'just enough os' (not ubuntu jeos) with a very small foot print designed for Virtual Applications? |
| 05:08.30 | worr | Cause my patch would close several bugs...but I dunno whether a patch this large should just be uploaded to one bug, or sent to the developer directly. |
| 05:08.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh_noes, emdebian? |
| 05:09.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 05:09.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, mail him |
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| 05:10.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and ask - his/her email should be in the bts |
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| 05:10.10 | worr | ok, that sounds good |
| 05:10.18 | worr | I just need to finish the patch |
| 05:10.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | if he doesn't answer, ask in #debian-mentors |
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| 05:10.36 | jas | oh_noes: hu? |
| 05:10.40 | oh_noes | CutMeOwnThroat: hrmm yeah that looks ok, doesnt say much on using it though |
| 05:10.56 | oh_noes | jas, hu? |
| 05:11.06 | worr | ok, thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 05:11.17 | nkuttler | any ideas why my custom kernel doesn't recognize mac partitions even though MAC_PARTITION is set? |
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| 05:11.26 | worr | I'm pretty excited, it would be my first time submitting a significant amount of code to an open-source project. |
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| 05:12.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh_noes, http://www.linux.codehelp.co.uk/serendipity/index.php?/archives/80-Embedded-Debian-still-Debian.html |
| 05:12.15 | jas | oh_noes>Is there a debian 'just enough os' (not ubuntu jeos) with a very small foot print designed for Virtual Applications? ... <what is a debian with a very small foot print designed for Virtual Applications? |
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| 05:12.28 | jas | *joes |
| 05:12.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh_noes, ask #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
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| 05:13.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | nkuttler, sure you need a custom kernel? if so... did you start from the Debian configuration? |
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| 05:13.35 | maheshm | hi, where can i get the currently used debian installer source scripts? |
| 05:13.36 | jas | a minimal system? |
| 05:13.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, you probably shouldn't submit to Debian then, but to upstream |
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| 05:13.56 | worr | In this case, Debian IS the upstream. |
| 05:13.58 | worr | I would otherwise. |
| 05:14.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, what is it? |
| 05:14.26 | worr | apt-build |
| 05:14.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, true :) |
| 05:15.27 | nkuttler | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, yes |
| 05:16.18 | maheshm | i meant the scripts in the dvd that installs the debian onto a system. |
| 05:16.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | nkuttler, does a compile without any changes to those work? |
| 05:17.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | maheshm, hm, apt-cache show debian-installer |
| 05:18.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought it's in there, but seems not |
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| 05:18.17 | jas | maheshm: i think that its are not scripts but it is the installer that install debian |
| 05:18.18 | maheshm | no that is something else, some documentation of something |
| 05:18.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | !d-i |
| 05:18.35 | dpkg | 5.0 lenny is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 14, 2009). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Etch is still available from http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ . Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot @ irc.oftc.net. Also ask me about <errata>. |
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| 05:20.56 | jas | n00b question guyz, using aptitude insteda apt-get is better or the same? |
| 05:21.06 | jas | *instead |
| 05:21.59 | worr | jas, generally better |
| 05:22.14 | worr | It tends to do better working out dependency issues. |
| 05:22.16 | rhodescus | heh, I still automatically use dselect on the command line |
| 05:22.28 | worr | In that it has an interactive dependency handler when stuff breaks. |
| 05:22.42 | worr | A quirk about aptitude is that it pulls in recommends by default. |
| 05:23.04 | worr | Good for desktop users...not necessarily desired in a server environment |
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| 05:23.18 | jas | lol@ rhodescus |
| 05:23.21 | worr | But I'm 99% sure there's an option you can specify in your apt.conf that'll fix that |
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| 05:23.52 | worr | But from what I remember in the Wiki, is that they recommend people use one or the other, not both, and that the preferred is aptitude |
| 05:24.01 | jas | mmmm |
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| 05:24.23 | worr | aptitude used to exclusively have the autoremove feature...but they eventually added that to apt. |
| 05:24.24 | nevyn | aptitude handles autoinstallation better |
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| 05:24.29 | worr | Also, aptitude logs, and apt doesn't. |
| 05:24.33 | anoHito | hi guys, i know ln-s is make a symplink |
| 05:24.36 | jas | is for the dependency resolving i think |
| 05:24.38 | Dominicus | jas: aptitude is the preferred method (it's gui is daunting, but it's CLI interface is sweet)... if you ever have problems, use apt-get, and then dpkg in that order as each of those progress from a higher level tool towards being a lower level tool. |
| 05:24.44 | anoHito | what do i do to make a symplink to a folder ? |
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| 05:24.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jas, /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 05:25.23 | maheshm | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you. |
| 05:25.25 | rhodescus | anoHito: ln -s |
| 05:25.28 | pl4yer0ne | anoHito, ln -s /from/path /to/path |
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| 05:25.41 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, wow, that's a pretty neat bot feature. |
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| 05:25.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | maheshm, guess you can also always mount the netinst/cd 1 |
| 05:25.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
| 05:26.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, what? |
| 05:26.13 | worr | dpkg telling you why aptitude. |
| 05:26.13 | nevyn | Dominicus: I love aptitude's tui |
| 05:26.31 | worr | nevyn, agreed. |
| 05:26.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, try why not aptitude :) |
| 05:26.46 | nevyn | and I only know about 3 things |
| 05:26.53 | jas | yeha! thanks very much CutMeOwnThroat :P |
| 05:26.58 | nevyn | the filter capability I particularly like |
| 05:27.08 | worr | I use apt-src for source package management. |
| 05:27.23 | worr | Also, apt-build sometimes when it doesn't break horribly. |
| 05:27.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't like the way it automatically wants to install recommends, uninstall auto-installed packages and do all kinds of stuff |
| 05:28.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | with apt-get I much more have the feeling that it does what I tell it to do and not some unrelated stuff |
| 05:28.10 | worr | I use the -R flag all the time with aptitude. |
| 05:28.16 | jas | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools [...] |
| 05:28.27 | worr | But I don't mind the auto-remove functionality. |
| 05:28.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... when that fails with apt-get, I use aptitude :) |
| 05:28.39 | kgoetz | worr: whats apt-build? |
| 05:28.42 | jas | -R flag worr ?? |
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| 05:28.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | no-recommends (I guess) |
| 05:28.54 | worr | jas, aptitude -R doesn't install recommends |
| 05:29.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | recommends are the devil |
| 05:29.05 | jas | omg |
| 05:29.07 | worr | kgoetz, it automatically builds and installs source packages |
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| 05:29.14 | jas | im a n00b |
| 05:29.15 | worr | It's not that great |
| 05:29.18 | kgoetz | worr: what package is it in? I cant find it |
| 05:29.24 | worr | kgoetz, apt-build |
| 05:29.33 | worr | kgoetz, IT IS SO BUGGY THOUGH OMG |
| 05:29.35 | kgoetz | hm. I'll try on a diferent box. |
| 05:29.49 | kgoetz | worr: roger that :) I'll just poke at it |
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| 05:29.58 | jas | yes, CutMeOwnThroat the Evil :P |
| 05:29.59 | worr | kgoetz, if you change any one of the options in the config file, it'll probs break. |
| 05:30.11 | kgoetz | worr: thats... fail. |
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| 05:30.20 | worr | Also, it uses apt-get and some regexp hacks to grab package lists, instead of the apt API. |
| 05:30.30 | worr | Ergo why I'm writing a patch to make it usable. |
| 05:30.39 | jas | as the Evil is mixing distros and un-official repos :P |
| 05:30.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, you can switch them off permanently, though |
| 05:30.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt recommends |
| 05:30.47 | dpkg | Since lenny, APT installs recommended packages by default; if you don't want this, add "APT::Install-Recommends no;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf; or as a one-off, you can: apt-get --no-install-recommends install package_name, or set the APT::Install-Recommends option to false. Understand that by not installing "recommended" packages, you will be missing functionality from the packages. |
| 05:31.10 | jas | great! |
| 05:31.11 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, I know that, but I don't *think* that applies to aptitude |
| 05:31.19 | worr | Since apt-get doesn't do that by default. |
| 05:31.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, it can only apply to aptitude |
| 05:31.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | for exactly the reason you just named :) |
| 05:31.55 | worr | If you set it to true, apt-get will take on that same characteristic as aptitude. |
| 05:32.00 | kgoetz | worr: doesnt use apt api? scary. is that what your patch is meant to address? |
| 05:32.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 05:32.08 | worr | There is a --install-recommends flag for apt-get. :P |
| 05:32.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, well, the experiment can tell |
| 05:32.24 | worr | kgoetz, yeah, that's what I've been working on the past couple of days. |
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| 05:32.38 | worr | Converting the original devs' regexp hacks to the perl apt API |
| 05:32.51 | kgoetz | is it still maintained? |
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| 05:33.05 | worr | kgoetz, ...there are new releases sometimes... |
| 05:33.06 | jas | but aptitude is the top than apt-get for resolution worr |
| 05:33.06 | \amethyst | BryDog1984: > /dev/null send stdout to /dev/null 2>&1 send stderr to the same place stdout is going |
| 05:33.09 | \amethyst | doh |
| 05:33.20 | worr | kgoetz, I dunno how active the dev is though |
| 05:33.22 | \amethyst | BryDog1984: sorry, tab-complete in the wrong window |
| 05:33.31 | kgoetz | worr: ok. |
| 05:33.32 | worr | I might just try and take it over if he's cool with it |
| 05:33.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, you now spread wisdom unasked? :) |
| 05:33.43 | worr | I'm in college, I got the time. :P |
| 05:34.07 | jas | !lart worr |
| 05:34.07 | dpkg | takes out a cattle prod and gives worr a good jolt |
| 05:34.17 | worr | jas If you're new, you should probably just use aptitude |
| 05:34.24 | worr | That's my advice. |
| 05:34.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | know a good package with at least 1 recommend but not many dependencies? |
| 05:34.31 | worr | aptitude is pretty awesome. |
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| 05:34.47 | jas | im not new ... but i prefer the top :P |
| 05:34.56 | worr | Hmmm...zsh |
| 05:35.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I don't like aptitude |
| 05:35.03 | kgoetz | CutMeOwnThroat: pcmanfm? |
| 05:35.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | it spams |
| 05:35.14 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, zsh |
| 05:35.32 | jas | what? it spams what CutMeOwnThroat ?? |
| 05:35.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, bash |
| 05:35.52 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, I meant for your test package. |
| 05:35.58 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, Also, I love zsh |
| 05:36.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.08 | worr | You can tab-complete EVERYTHING by default. |
| 05:36.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, ah :) |
| 05:36.53 | jas | huhuhu really worr ... fantastic :P |
| 05:36.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you can in bash |
| 05:37.08 | worr | Yeah, after configing it bunches |
| 05:37.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | it even tab-completes my scp's |
| 05:37.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 05:37.14 | worr | And zsh's tab completion is smarter |
| 05:37.15 | jas | how in bash i can complete ALL ? |
| 05:37.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, perhaps - but Debian does that for me :) |
| 05:37.36 | worr | Like, if I go to umount something, it only tab completes mounted directories, not every directory. |
| 05:37.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | (of course scp tab-completion only works if I have a passwordless key) |
| 05:38.02 | worr | Also, it can tab complete attributes to options in commands. |
| 05:38.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | as does bash |
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| 05:38.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 05:38.23 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah, bash would pull it from your .ssh/authorized_hosts |
| 05:38.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, that is the HOST I'm connecting to, yes, that's also auto-completed |
| 05:38.49 | worr | zsh has server sockets in its scripting language. :) |
| 05:38.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I'm talking about the directories |
| 05:39.00 | Agiofws | hello |
| 05:39.02 | Agiofws | does anyone of you guys have or use a print server usb2eth dongle ? i have a question for you |
| 05:39.07 | worr | Oh, yeah same with zsh. |
| 05:39.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I do scp me@some.host:data/x[tab][tab] and get the alternatives |
| 05:39.32 | worr | Yeah, like I said, zsh can do the same time. |
| 05:39.41 | worr | In zsh I could do: |
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| 05:39.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I tried zsh for a short time |
| 05:39.54 | jas | ok worr, i mean how educate bash to tab-cpmletion as zsh, or as i type aptitude ins[TAB] and bash complete whit the right option? is possible??? |
| 05:39.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | and had the impression it's trying to do too much :) |
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| 05:40.16 | worr | jas yes |
| 05:40.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | jas, my bash does that, doesn't yours? |
| 05:40.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agiofws, either ask, or don't |
| 05:40.26 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, mine doesn't by default |
| 05:40.39 | jas | no lol how i can do it?? :D |
| 05:40.43 | worr | But zsh can do: |
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| 05:41.05 | jas | no zsh ... grrrr bash!! |
| 05:41.09 | Agiofws | ok |
| 05:41.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jas, apt-get install bash-completion |
| 05:41.23 | worr | So not just the option, but the parameter to the option. |
| 05:41.30 | kgoetz | observes apt-build is orphaned with ita filed |
| 05:41.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, well, it's a separate package... |
| 05:41.44 | jas | hohooh tanks very very mach CutMeOwnThroat and sorry for my noobing :P |
| 05:41.45 | Agiofws | CutMeOwnThroat, does anyone of you guys have or use a print server usb2eth dongle ? the usb printer is converted into an eth device which works over the lan as a LAN printer ... the printer though has a SD card reader embedded is it possible to use that sd card device over the lan ? |
| 05:41.51 | worr | Also, if I'm using git, it will tab complete only files I'm tracking with git for certain git commands |
| 05:41.55 | worr | Same with rcs. |
| 05:42.06 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, tried it, didn't work from the get-go. |
| 05:42.10 | worr | Had to config stuff. |
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| 05:42.27 | Rakko | How do I ensure that a program is built with debugging info, using dpkg-buildpackage? I am already using DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="debug noopt" dpkg-buildpackage -nc -us -uc |
| 05:42.40 | worr | Kinda annoying, and zsh just has more ridiculous tab completion, and a more ridiculous scripting language. |
| 05:42.52 | worr | Also, right justified prompts, and multiline prompts. |
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| 05:43.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agiofws, I think I used that - that what you call "dongle" is not connected to a computer at all, but you plug an ethernet cable in it, right? |
| 05:43.44 | jas | worr: what is git? |
| 05:43.49 | Agiofws | yes |
| 05:43.59 | nevyn | jas: version control system |
| 05:43.59 | worr | It's content tracking system. |
| 05:44.03 | Agiofws | it does work though |
| 05:44.08 | nevyn | ok worr is more accurate |
| 05:44.11 | worr | It's very awesome. |
| 05:44.11 | Agiofws | i'm just curious |
| 05:44.14 | jas | wow |
| 05:44.21 | owen1 | !XTerm*background: #2e2e2e |
| 05:44.25 | worr | nevyn, yeah I use it for more than just code. |
| 05:44.25 | nevyn | git + puppet are my two current fav tools |
| 05:44.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agiofws, I doubt it that you can access the sd card... your usb2ethernet translater would need to support it - you might try to ftp into it, though, a lot of network printers can do it, perhaps there is some representation within the ftp server |
| 05:44.44 | worr | I use it for essays and my resume. |
| 05:44.53 | owen1 | i try to change the background color of xterm in .Xdefaults but it does not do anything. any idea? |
| 05:45.08 | Agiofws | ftp to what ? |
| 05:45.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, did you read what kgoetz noted? |
| 05:45.16 | Agiofws | to the usb printers IP ? |
| 05:45.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 05:45.35 | Agiofws | let me show you a screen shot |
| 05:45.38 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, about it being maintained? |
| 05:45.45 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/49537 |
| 05:45.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | about apt-build being orphaned |
| 05:46.25 | worr | Saw that, but there was a release a couple of months ago, and that orphaned entry is old... |
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| 05:46.31 | worr | So I assumed the entry was outdated. |
| 05:46.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agiofws, just type ftp <yourprinters IP> in a shell |
| 05:46.52 | worr | Cause that's been there since I became conscious of apt-build. |
| 05:47.01 | Agiofws | CutMeOwnThroat, aren't i supposed to mount the sd card ? via the lan or something ? |
| 05:47.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agiofws, for postscript printers, you can then just upload postscript files and it'll print ti |
| 05:47.34 | Agiofws | i dont want to print anything i want to view the sd cards readers content |
| 05:47.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* |
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| 05:48.03 | Agiofws | maybe i can run nmap on it ? |
| 05:48.03 | omakase | is there a limit to the number of cronjobs that can run at the same time? |
| 05:48.23 | jas | can I know how activate bash-completion wonderful features? :P |
| 05:48.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, yes - and if you'd find a directory called 'sdcard' or whatever, then you could access the card that way (although I severely doubt it) |
| 05:48.25 | Agiofws | omakase, i think there is not sure what command or file you have to tweak |
| 05:48.40 | nsadmin | omakase: there is a limit to the number of processes that can be in the process table |
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| 05:49.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agiofws, I already told you it can (probably) do ftp - what would be better for file transfer (if it worked by some miracle) |
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| 05:49.53 | Agiofws | ok open ports are |
| 05:49.55 | nsadmin | if there is a limit to cron jobs specifically, that would be due to the cron daemon and you should look at its docs |
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| 05:50.09 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/49539 |
| 05:50.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | omakase, ulimit -a shows you the users process limits... dunno if cron imposes extra limits |
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| 05:52.18 | Agiofws | CutMeOwnThroat, something like |
| 05:52.31 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/49540 |
| 05:52.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, I obviously like 'more ridiculous tab completion' but actually, bash+bash_completion package worked more out-of the box for me than zsh - zsh asked me all kinds of things when 1st started |
| 05:53.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | which maybe is a good thing |
| 05:53.40 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, Yeah, I dealt with that once, and then I shared my .zshrc across all my machines with git. |
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| 05:54.05 | worr | So I never actually did that on all my machines. |
| 05:54.10 | worr | Just on one. |
| 05:54.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure |
| 05:54.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I already have a bashrc |
| 05:54.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | well ,guess I could copy/softlink that |
| 05:54.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | zsh doesn't recognize my PROMPT, though |
| 05:55.26 | worr | Weird, do you have a really custom prompt? |
| 05:55.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | \u@\h:\w\$ as I can see in zsh4 :) |
| 05:56.26 | worr | That's totally why. |
| 05:56.34 | worr | Zsh uses % instead of \ |
| 05:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ew |
| 05:56.57 | jas | gauyz, plz, where can i found the bash-completion manual or docs? in /usr/share/doc? |
| 05:57.08 | worr | $PR_WHITE' [ '$PR_CYAN'%n'$PR_WHITE' on '$PR_GREEN'%m'$PR_WHITE' ] ( '$PR_RED'%~'$PR_WHITE' ) '$PR_YELLOW'%# '$PR_NO_COLOUR <-- my zsh prompt |
| 05:57.21 | worr | Including terminfo hax for colors. |
| 05:57.30 | \amethyst | jas: /usr/share/doc/bash-completion/README.gz |
| 05:57.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | jas, just hit tab wherever you feel like it |
| 05:57.49 | jas | tnx |
| 05:58.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft :) |
| 05:58.15 | worr | But it looks like '[ %n on %m] ( %~ ) %#' without the color info. |
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| 05:59.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft |
| 05:59.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | do I use emacs of vi keymap |
| 05:59.21 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, yours would be'%n@%m:%~%# |
| 05:59.31 | worr | Bash's default is like emacs. |
| 05:59.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess that's what I want then :) |
| 05:59.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, that's what I set for xchat as well, I guess |
| 06:00.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | which a bloody stupid bug report made them switch off ctrl-f for search |
| 06:00.16 | worr | vi is awesome if you love vim. |
| 06:00.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | vim is nice |
| 06:00.57 | worr | I love vim, and for quite some time I used awesome2 and dwm, which have vim like keybindings. |
| 06:01.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ever tried vimperator? |
| 06:01.10 | worr | And I also used vimperator, which gave firefox vim-like keybindings. |
| 06:01.13 | worr | :P |
| 06:01.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 06:01.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I tried it |
| 06:01.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | for 10 seconds |
| 06:01.39 | worr | I tried it |
| 06:01.42 | worr | for 5 months |
| 06:02.08 | worr | There's considerably more documentation now though, then when I started using. |
| 06:02.14 | worr | i.e. it actually has some. |
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| 06:02.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I just didn't want another learning curve at that moment |
| 06:03.09 | worr | Yeah, it's definitely a bit of an adjustment. |
| 06:03.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | PR_WHITE? |
| 06:04.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | where do you set all these |
| 06:04.28 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, don't worry about that. |
| 06:04.28 | worr | There's a for loop in there that sets all those variables. |
| 06:04.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I, too want to see pretty colors :) |
| 06:04.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 06:04.46 | worr | for color in RED GREEN YELLOW BLUE MAGENTA CYAN WHITE; do |
| 06:04.46 | worr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.46 | worr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.46 | worr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.46 | worr | done |
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| 06:05.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | he he heee |
| 06:05.35 | nsadmin | wants to see purty things too |
| 06:05.48 | worr | http://pastebin.com/d3fad3c01 |
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| 06:06.36 | worr | The light colors didn't really work for me, but it screwed up the loop if I didn't use them. |
| 06:06.40 | jas | is lolling but in silence |
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| 06:06.58 | superlinux | hi all |
| 06:07.14 | superlinux | i am here having fun to help as much as i can |
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| 06:07.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands nsadmin lots of color |
| 06:07.41 | superlinux | so? how's going gys! |
| 06:08.01 | worr | Pretty good, you? |
| 06:08.02 | galen | How do i make network manager manage a device? under debian, it seems to not want to manage the device(s) I want... |
| 06:08.13 | superlinux | hands everyone a ticket to enter the assistance theatre |
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| 06:08.25 | superlinux | fine bro |
| 06:08.36 | galen | it shows the device. i can set it up manually, call dhclient, etc. and it works.. but it's not grabbing the device automatically |
| 06:08.36 | superlinux | i am super as much as i can |
| 06:08.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | is his own network manager |
| 06:09.03 | galen | moreover, it seems to change around randomly which device(s) it wants to manage |
| 06:09.10 | superlinux | galen are u taking about the gnome manger? |
| 06:09.26 | warthog | galen: what version of debian are you running ? |
| 06:09.31 | galen | superlinux: yes, networkmanager in gnome |
| 06:09.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess he's talking about apt-cache show network-manager |
| 06:09.40 | superlinux | well i dont use it at all |
| 06:09.41 | galen | 5.01, testing, unstable, take your pick |
| 06:09.52 | superlinux | i depend on ifup/down |
| 06:09.55 | galen | result is the same... even though network manager is quite agreeable under other distributions |
| 06:10.12 | galen | well, with several nics, multiple wireless cards, etc... it is a huge time saver |
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| 06:10.26 | superlinux | learn how to use the interfaces(5) file |
| 06:10.27 | galen | i just am not sure how it decides what it does and does not manage |
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| 06:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | galen, surely you read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian? |
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| 06:11.04 | superlinux | the /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 06:11.48 | galen | ah ha. this makes more sense. i already read the man page. |
| 06:11.57 | superlinux | ok |
| 06:12.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, there's a difference there is network-manager AND network-manager-gnome |
| 06:12.02 | superlinux | good on ye |
| 06:12.45 | superlinux | CutMeOwnThroat do u remember the ncurses based manager of sarge? how can i get it installed? |
| 06:13.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | cringes |
| 06:13.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | !u |
| 06:13.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 06:13.07 | superlinux | or how can i be able to use it, in 4.x? |
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| 06:13.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | what "manager"> |
| 06:13.29 | galen | superlinux and CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, i see how to make it automatically manage interfaces |
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| 06:13.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/>/?/ |
| 06:13.38 | worr | superlinux, do you mean aptitude? |
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| 06:13.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | mc? |
| 06:13.41 | galen | It does amuse me.. why would i turn the thing on if i didn't want it to manage? haha |
| 06:13.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | (midnight commander) |
| 06:14.02 | worr | for package management, right? |
| 06:14.14 | superlinux | same one like the installer in ncurses mode ( text based semi-grphical is the ncurses) |
| 06:14.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | galen, there's probably some reason... might be too disruptive if installed in error |
| 06:14.26 | galen | other distros seem to be OK with it |
| 06:14.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | galen, or - rather often the case, needs some configuration |
| 06:14.30 | worr | I think it was dselect |
| 06:14.54 | superlinux | i used to use that one in sarge.. oh yea! etherconf |
| 06:14.54 | worr | The one that could take you through *all* of the available Debian packages, right? |
| 06:15.03 | worr | Oh for network stuffs. |
| 06:15.04 | superlinux | that's the one! etherconf |
| 06:15.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | galen, as I see it, it can all be done via /etc/network/interfaces alone (e.g. my laptop grabs any free wireless and tries to get an IP via dhcp, if available) |
| 06:15.28 | nsadmin | well you could just edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:15.53 | nsadmin | like cut* just said :) |
| 06:15.54 | galen | CutMeOwnThroat: I've just told NetworkManager to manage everything |
| 06:16.10 | galen | considering all the cards coming and going, this saves a lot of time |
| 06:16.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | cards? |
| 06:16.36 | galen | various NICs |
| 06:16.39 | superlinux | nsadmin true ( about the editing). however, that etherconf was awesome |
| 06:16.44 | nsadmin | why various? |
| 06:17.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | various artists :) |
| 06:17.28 | nsadmin | would you consider changing to a different eth card more than say twice a year? |
| 06:17.45 | galen | nsadmin: testing |
| 06:17.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's easy with wireless usb sticks |
| 06:17.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | galen, you probably also want... |
| 06:18.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | wossname |
| 06:18.03 | nsadmin | yeah, got one of those :) |
| 06:18.10 | superlinux | oh ! one valid question.. what would burn an NIC? |
| 06:18.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !z25 |
| 06:18.17 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 06:18.30 | nsadmin | superlinux: fire |
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| 06:18.42 | galen | superlinux: burn a NIC? try surge |
| 06:18.43 | xingu | superlinux: lightning strike. |
| 06:18.50 | kgoetz | 240v |
| 06:18.58 | galen | cat5 is amazingly effective at conducting a lightning strike |
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| 06:19.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | galen, ^^^^^^ (if you wonder why you reached eth120 ) |
| 06:19.18 | nsadmin | superlinux: umm what do you mean? :) |
| 06:19.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | you tie a cat to your antenna? |
| 06:20.23 | nsadmin | and then transmit with a few thousand watts? |
| 06:20.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, how would I add a space to the end of that prompt? |
| 06:21.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 06:21.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | forgot to quote |
| 06:21.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, that was it... silly :) |
| 06:21.51 | nsadmin | quoting is cool when you're spaced! |
| 06:22.13 | galen | nsadmin: spaced? |
| 06:22.18 | superlinux | look i hve to go |
| 06:22.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, use fortune -o |
| 06:22.27 | superlinux | brb in 30 min |
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| 06:23.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm actually a bit offended by not beeing offended by fortune -o |
| 06:23.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, you may quote me on that :) |
| 06:23.41 | nsadmin | "also, you may quote me on that :)" |
| 06:23.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | "I don't object to sex before marriage, but two minutes before?!?" |
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| 06:25.41 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm guessing you got it? |
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| 06:26.03 | worr | I walked away from my computer for a while to see if anyone else was awake. |
| 06:26.08 | tecky | CutMeOwnThroat: you dont like ' fortune -o ' ? |
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| 06:26.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, yeah... it was just the missing quotes |
| 06:27.05 | worr | Awesome. |
| 06:27.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | tecky, I like it a bit, I'm just offended that people should be offended by it |
| 06:27.09 | worr | Whaddya think so far. |
| 06:27.15 | worr | *? |
| 06:27.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, indeed it told me fortune -[tab] what the options are for |
| 06:27.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just don't trust it... i use bash for so long |
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| 06:28.21 | worr | Yeah, I switched over not too long ago, so I'm still testing out the waters and getting used to it. |
| 06:28.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | and bash isn't bad enough to justify any new learning curve |
| 06:28.52 | worr | Also, for some reason it isn't as fast as bash at realizing new programs are installed. |
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| 06:28.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... bash is what's installed everywhere by default |
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| 06:29.17 | worr | It should theoretically just check PATH for the executable, but it doesn't find new stuff right away. |
| 06:29.34 | worr | It probably caches it somewhere, and doesn't update it all the time. |
| 06:29.38 | worr | But that's only a guess. |
| 06:29.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, it's also huge compared to bash, if I just saw that correctly |
| 06:30.13 | tecky | mmm CutMeOwnThroat, I guess some people could find it offensive in the references perhaps made in some of the quotes? I agree with you and dont see how its possible, but I'm sure, like everything else out there someone's bound to complain about something said |
| 06:30.14 | worr | Yeah, it is. |
| 06:30.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I compared Size instead of Installed-Size, though |
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| 06:31.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | tecky, I guess very religious people might be... but that's a good reason to dislike very religious people :) |
| 06:31.17 | timob | how can i get nautilus to pick up my ssh keys when connecting using sftp:// ? |
| 06:31.44 | tecky | CutMeOwnThroat: tis why i joined the church of the flying spegetti monster! :P |
| 06:32.03 | worr | But c'mon, it has server sockets as builtin. |
| 06:32.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | tecky, well, I hope you're wearing your pirate costume |
| 06:32.16 | anoHito | <anoHito> it is very strange |
| 06:32.16 | anoHito | <anoHito> i have installed fail2ban ,it worked to ban incorrect proftp login |
| 06:32.16 | anoHito | <anoHito> now i reinstall debian and the stuff, it does not work |
| 06:32.17 | worr | There is a zsh web server built entirely of zsh builtins. |
| 06:32.22 | worr | Which is awesome. |
| 06:32.26 | anoHito | anoHito> fail2ban wont ban proftp incorrect loggin attemptions |
| 06:32.26 | anoHito | <anoHito> guys ??? help please ;( |
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| 06:32.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would have fit in 1 line |
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| 06:33.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | nautilus does sftp://? |
| 06:33.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I should try that with mozilla :) |
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| 06:33.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | nope :) |
| 06:33.53 | enouf | ... |
| 06:33.58 | jas | why bash-completion works and works related to user, while not on a root terminal? |
| 06:34.20 | enouf | jas: you want to add and edit a .bashrc in your /root/ dir |
| 06:34.40 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat: nevermind, there are a couple of basic UNIX commands it relies on. |
| 06:34.45 | jas | :O omg right!! |
| 06:34.50 | enouf | jas: look at the related lines in ~/.bashrc |
| 06:34.53 | worr | But for speed, zsh has a lot of the basic subset of commands built into the shell. |
| 06:34.58 | worr | Ergo why it is so large. |
| 06:34.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | jas, root has a different .profile/.bashrc if you want that, you have to add ". /etc/bash_completion" to /root/.bashrc (without the quotes) |
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| 06:35.41 | aoww | Hi all... Can anyone think of a reason that my debian system won't see the new drives I installed in it (via raid card). Actually it seems to "see" them, since I see this in the bootlog: scsi 0:1:0:0: Direct-Access Hitachi HDT721010SLA360 ST6O PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 -- but no /dev devices seem to be appearing ( no /dev/sdX devices at all ) |
| 06:35.46 | aoww | My raid card driver is loaded |
| 06:35.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, % ps aux |grep xterm | wc -l ---> 37 |
| 06:35.57 | jas | yes lol im a noob in the sense that i dont remember many thinght that i did in the paste as this!!! |
| 06:36.09 | jas | (sorry fo my english) |
| 06:36.10 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat: http://www.chodorowski.com/projects/zws/downloads/ZWS-1.1.readme <-- documentation and dependencies |
| 06:36.17 | jas | tnx |
| 06:36.52 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat: ...you have 37 xterms? That's pretty extreme. You also might wanna think about a different, more memory efficient xterm too. |
| 06:36.55 | tecky | CutMeOwnThroat: pirate costume?!? Nagh :P |
| 06:38.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | aoww, check if the kernel supports this card and how well? |
| 06:38.25 | aoww | CutMeOwnThroat: It does. I was just using it on some other drives. |
| 06:38.30 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat: rxvt-unicode-lite is such a terminal, you should check it out |
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| 06:38.47 | enouf | aoww: drives jumpered properly? |
| 06:38.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, nah, how could I ever give up xterm :) |
| 06:39.04 | aoww | CutMeOwnThroat: Everything is good. The raid card sees them just fine in its bios. |
| 06:39.27 | aoww | CutMeOwnThroat: And the linux kernel clearly sees them to since I see this: scsi 0:1:0:0: Direct-Access Hitachi HDT721010SLA360 ST6O PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 -- in the bootlog. |
| 06:39.40 | worr | urxvt is very much like xterm, except you can set it up so that you have a terminal daemon, and a bunch of lighter-weight terminal clients |
| 06:39.43 | worr | saves memory |
| 06:40.00 | aoww | aoww: Just no /dev/sdX devices... |
| 06:40.05 | aoww | err CutMeOwnThroat ;-) |
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| 06:40.08 | enouf | drives are clean/brand new? no data? which kernel? |
| 06:40.27 | aoww | Yes clean/brand new Hitatchi 1TB drives |
| 06:40.28 | aoww | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 06:40.48 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat: it doesn't do it by default, but if you set alternatives to use urxvtcd as the default xterm it does |
| 06:40.54 | enouf | 1 out of 3 ain't bad |
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| 06:41.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, I'll have a look at it, thx |
| 06:41.34 | aoww | CutMeOwnThroat: So there's no reason I shouldn't see them automatically huh |
| 06:41.36 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat: Anytime :) |
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| 06:42.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | worr, (but I've not run into any big problems yet, and as long as I'm not being permanently annoyed, I normally stick to stuff.... which was why I didn't end up with redhat or suse or whatever, but with debian... it was the first distribution that didn't suck enough to switch :) |
| 06:43.02 | jas | guyz a simple question: is here the official channel ? not debian.org? |
| 06:43.13 | simonrvn | no such thing |
| 06:43.16 | jas | here more users ... |
| 06:43.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | aoww, there should be messages that a drive is assigned sda, before it appears |
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| 06:43.53 | worr | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, I understand that sentiment, but I never really shared it. I like trying out new programs, and exploring their differences. And there are some really awesome alternatives to the normal, de-facto Linux programs. |
| 06:44.01 | worr | urxvt being an example of this. |
| 06:44.09 | simonrvn | the d.o (oftc network) chan is "more official" (i say that with a large tablespoon of salt) |
| 06:44.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | aoww, jumpering of the drives as enouf mentioned would be my 1st guess as well if you used it with different drives |
| 06:44.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, how does one say things with salt? doesn't it need a tongue? |
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| 06:45.03 | aoww | CutMeOwnThroat: No ideas? ;-) |
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| 06:45.24 | nsadmin | that one does have the domain record |
| 06:45.31 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: that's why my mouth is dry right now |
| 06:45.32 | nsadmin | this one used to |
| 06:45.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | aoww, nothing extremely useful |
| 06:45.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you connect power to the drives? :) |
| 06:46.04 | Rakko | wow. never heard of oftc. |
| 06:46.14 | aoww | heh... :) |
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| 06:46.18 | simonrvn | irc.oftc.net |
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| 06:46.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, be careful, it might be people turned to salt that way... |
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| 06:47.01 | simonrvn | heh |
| 06:47.18 | Rakko | how do I force dpkg-buildpackage to keep debugging info in binaries? |
| 06:47.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | 1st it's a grain, then it's a tablespoon... and then... |
| 06:48.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rakko, edit debian/rules for correct compiler-options etc.? |
| 06:48.06 | Rakko | must I edit out the dh_strip line in debian/rules? or is there a command-line option somewhere for it? |
| 06:48.22 | Rakko | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, so there isn't a command line option or environment variable? |
| 06:48.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, never wanted to do that yet... but dh_strip looks like 'it' |
| 06:49.02 | Rakko | how lame |
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| 06:49.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rakko, hm, you could probably check in one of the xxx-dbg packages |
| 06:49.13 | Rakko | I would think setting 'debug' would automagically turn off dh_strip |
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| 06:49.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it doesn't? |
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| 06:49.44 | Rakko | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean check their rules file to see how they do it? |
| 06:49.45 | Rakko | no. |
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| 06:50.10 | simonrvn | Rakko: passing a flag to dh_strip |
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| 06:50.30 | Rakko | that's simple enough |
| 06:50.32 | simonrvn | Rakko: check out the source package that has a -dbg package |
| 06:50.42 | Rakko | but why doesn't DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=debug do that? :/ |
| 06:50.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rakko, look at man dh_strip there's --dbg-package=package |
| 06:50.50 | simonrvn | simple really |
| 06:50.53 | Rakko | yeah |
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| 06:51.17 | qiyong | a debian source packge is not a single file? |
| 06:51.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, file a bug report if you think it behaves wrong :) |
| 06:51.32 | Rakko | also, this rules file has the line "dh_strip -a" -- but man dh_strip doesn't list a -a switch. what does it do? |
| 06:51.35 | Rakko | ok, CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 06:51.48 | Rakko | I assume there is a good reason for it, but I don't know it |
| 06:51.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rakko, if you get flamed to hell, you'll have learned the errors of your ways :-P |
| 06:52.12 | simonrvn | qiyong: no, most have 3 files. a dsc, a diff and the tarball |
| 06:52.14 | Rakko | dons asbestos suit |
| 06:52.31 | simonrvn | debian native ones usually have just the tarball and dsc |
| 06:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | drills a hole in Rakkos asbestos suit |
| 06:53.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 06:53.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I finally realize why he was asking this |
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| 06:54.17 | simonrvn | Rakko: arch-dep IIRC |
| 06:54.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | qiyong, use apt-get source <packetname> to download the source package and apt-get -b source <packetname> to also build |
| 06:54.34 | Rakko | simonrvn: I see, it's a switch that gets passed to debhelper. thanks. |
| 06:54.52 | simonrvn | dh_* is debhelper ;) |
| 06:54.53 | qiyong | CutMeOwnThroat: apt-get source get me several files |
| 06:55.05 | Rakko | it's supposed to |
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| 06:55.12 | simonrvn | qiyong: that's completely normal |
| 06:55.34 | qiyong | simonrvn: so source package is not a single file? |
| 06:55.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | he answered that already! |
| 06:55.48 | nsadmin | nope, it's usually 3 |
| 06:55.53 | simonrvn | 02:52 < simonrvn> qiyong: no, most have 3 files. a dsc, a diff and the tarball |
| 06:56.06 | simonrvn | 02:52 < simonrvn> debian native ones usually have just the tarball and dsc |
| 06:56.35 | Rakko | WAH |
| 06:56.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | why do I often have the impression that people use the channel in a write-only type of way? |
| 06:56.37 | Rakko | I'm so braindead |
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| 06:56.46 | Rakko | I quote: "If the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS environment variable contains "nostrip", nothing will be stripped, in accordance with Debian policy" |
| 06:56.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh :) |
| 06:57.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | electrocutes Rakko |
| 06:57.08 | Rakko | aaaah bzzzzzt |
| 06:57.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | electrocutes Rakko again for good measure |
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| 06:57.40 | qiyong | simonrvn: so a debian native package has only two files: a dsc and a tarball. right? |
| 06:57.49 | Rakko | bzzt *smoke* |
| 06:57.55 | nsadmin | right, but those are seriously in the minority |
| 06:57.55 | qiyong | simonrvn: you answered, ignore me |
| 06:57.56 | zakame | stray bolts zap the room |
| 06:58.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o O ( if he was braindead already, is he a zombie if I manage to revive? ) |
| 06:58.37 | zakame | he probably was a zombie even before |
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| 06:58.41 | zakame | lol |
| 06:58.55 | nsadmin | just reparent him and you won't have to worry about it :) |
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| 06:59.10 | simonrvn | init has a big heart ;p |
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| 06:59.39 | qiyong | simonrvn: and idea ever to have a real src deb pkg? |
| 06:59.44 | qiyong | simonrvn: like rpm? |
| 06:59.49 | qiyong | pros and cons? |
| 06:59.52 | simonrvn | what? |
| 07:00.01 | nsadmin | qiyong: that is the real src package |
| 07:00.12 | qiyong | simonrvn: rpm source package is in a single file .src.rpm |
| 07:00.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | indicates Igor to bring over the spare brain. He totally fails to notice the DANGEROUSLY INSANE note on the jar the brain comes from. |
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| 07:00.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | qiyong, you can tar it and you'll have a single tar :) |
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| 07:00.56 | nsadmin | the tarball is supposed to be the one from upstream, the diff fixes bugs and adds the debian/ dir to the source |
| 07:00.58 | qiyong | nsadmin: simonrvn is it wise to create foo.src.deb? which contains ./foo.tar.gz and ./foo.dsc |
| 07:01.07 | simonrvn | fails to see why that isn't a real source package |
| 07:01.09 | Rakko | ok, another dumb pkg-building question: how do you ensure that your custom-built package doesn't get replaced later by a pre-built package? do you add something to the version string somehow? |
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| 07:01.23 | simonrvn | qiyong: um, yeh. confuse the hell out of people. |
| 07:01.32 | nsadmin | he wants it to be one file I guess |
| 07:01.39 | simonrvn | Rakko: yes |
| 07:01.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rakko, I usually increase the patchlevel |
| 07:01.59 | Rakko | ok |
| 07:02.20 | qiyong | simonrvn: what is it stored on the debian archive? in three or two files format always? |
| 07:02.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rakko, packages with same version number in the repository take precedence over installed ones if they are not identical (which I find a bit dumb, but that's how it is) |
| 07:02.23 | simonrvn | policy says you add nmu to the debian version, and increase (i'm not too sure, i haven't read it in a while) |
| 07:02.26 | Rakko | what's the string for that? I know for kernel pkgs it's like --append_version or something |
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| 07:02.44 | Rakko | s/string/command line switch/ |
| 07:02.47 | simonrvn | qiyong: yes. the tools handle it fine |
| 07:02.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rakko, just edit debian/changelog and add an entry |
| 07:03.01 | nsadmin | it's probably different per package since each can have a different build system |
| 07:03.03 | simonrvn | ...as you saw when you did apt-get source |
| 07:03.04 | qiyong | simonrvn: ok, all clear to me now |
| 07:03.13 | Rakko | oh |
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| 07:03.24 | Rakko | CutMeOwnThroat: and the build scripts detect that automatically? |
| 07:03.34 | simonrvn | Rakko: debian/changelog |
| 07:03.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... that's how it works |
| 07:03.38 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 07:03.38 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. See also http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>. |
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| 07:03.50 | Rakko | cool |
| 07:04.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rakko, take care you use the same syntax as the other entries there |
| 07:04.03 | Rakko | thanks |
| 07:04.11 | simonrvn | loves the deb/apt system |
| 07:04.35 | Rakko | and for the patch level I would use something like my own name, so it wouldn't clash with official packages? |
| 07:04.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | just increase it by 1 |
| 07:05.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | (well, or more if you like) |
| 07:05.13 | Rakko | oh... but then what if the official repository also increased theirs by 1? |
| 07:05.25 | simonrvn | i do it the old way, with the -X.X |
| 07:05.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | like 2.7.26-1 ---> 2.7.26-2 |
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| 07:05.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | that way, when 2.7.26-2 is in the repro, it will take precedence |
| 07:05.55 | simonrvn | mine would be 2.7.26-1.1 |
| 07:06.12 | vinograd19 | Hi all. I've suspend to disk my debian lenny, and while booting it didn't found the swap partition, couse it didn't found the disk itselft. How can I tell the grub to boot without waking from disk but to do as usual? |
| 07:06.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't matter, really |
| 07:06.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, also, I think I tried something like 1.1 and it didn't recognize it was higher (I think) |
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| 07:07.02 | simonrvn | it does, as long as it's higher |
| 07:07.19 | nsadmin | Rakko: if you're -really- concerned what would happen if debian packaging system did xyz to your package, build it completely outside the debian packaging system, and outside places where it has power... /usr/local is a good place for that |
| 07:08.08 | Rakko | ok. |
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| 07:09.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | vinograd19, hm, dunno, but see if http://en.opensuse.org/S2disk has something useful |
| 07:09.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | vinograd19, I guess http://en.opensuse.org/S2disk#Boot_another_OS_after_hibernate_.28workaround.29 might give you a clue |
| 07:10.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 07:10.28 | qiyong | for non compiling programs, like scripts, should I make them into deb directly or source pkg with .dsc ? |
| 07:10.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | NOT so useful |
| 07:10.46 | Rakko | nsadmin: the thing is that I like to have the packages use build settings as close as possible to the debian ones |
| 07:11.16 | nsadmin | Rakko: well that is pretty well-defined of course |
| 07:11.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | qiyong, what you prefer... depends what you need/want |
| 07:11.57 | Rakko | nsadmin: is it fairly simple to supply a switch or edit debian/rules to put things in /usr/local? |
| 07:12.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rakko, yes, but useless |
| 07:12.44 | nsadmin | well a debian package should not do that (but as cmot says, it's possible) |
| 07:12.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | (depending on the upstream program, you can do give --prefis=/some/path to ./configure) |
| 07:12.55 | simonrvn | qiyong: source packages in debian don't work like rpms AT ALL |
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| 07:13.24 | Rakko | right |
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| 07:13.37 | OpenTokix | simonrvn: Thank god |
| 07:13.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Rakko -about pinning |
| 07:13.52 | Rakko | or I could just take the temp install directory that dpkg-buildpackage makes, and copy its contents to /usr/local |
| 07:14.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | OpenTokix, was that an order? |
| 07:14.06 | qiyong | simonrvn: for non compling programs, should I use DEBIAN/ to build deb or debian/ to build src? |
| 07:14.15 | Rakko | but then I would worry that it would be expecting a /usr path |
| 07:14.18 | simonrvn | what's the point of installing a srpm when you still have to build it anyway? |
| 07:14.23 | Rakko | thanks cut |
| 07:14.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rakko, read that factoid if you want to prevent that your package is replaced by one from the repro |
| 07:14.35 | simonrvn | qiyong: excuse me? you don't have to go messing in there. |
| 07:14.50 | simonrvn | qiyong: build it correctly. |
| 07:14.52 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 07:14.52 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. See also http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>. |
| 07:14.58 | simonrvn | go read that ^^^ |
| 07:15.10 | qiyong | simonrvn: a paste |
| 07:15.11 | nsadmin | qiyong: it's better to let the tools do the packaging... you just get the make targets to do the right thing and have them called from debian/rules properly |
| 07:15.30 | superlinux | ok am back guys |
| 07:15.30 | qiyong | simonrvn: <qiyong> for non compiling programs, like scripts, should I make them into deb directly or source pkg with .dsc ? |
| 07:15.42 | superlinux | went fora mini shopping |
| 07:15.48 | nsadmin | qiyong: it's better to let the tools do the packaging... you just get the make targets to do the right thing and have them called from debian/rules properly |
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| 07:15.54 | simonrvn | nbo pasting, no need for pasting. i know exactly what you're talking about, and you're going about it backwards. |
| 07:15.59 | simonrvn | no* |
| 07:16.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | good... I think I don't :) |
| 07:16.16 | qiyong | nsadmin: so you suggest the source package way? |
| 07:16.23 | nsadmin | superlinux: meet any cool linuxchix? |
| 07:16.44 | superlinux | galen did you fix your issue? |
| 07:16.46 | nsadmin | qiyong: yes, because then you don't have to learn a different system |
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| 07:17.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, but I think he meant the factoid with 'paste" |
| 07:17.12 | galen | superlinux: which issue? i've had many :P |
| 07:17.19 | qiyong | nsadmin: my programs doesn't need compling, note |
| 07:17.20 | superlinux | the network |
| 07:17.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | "' |
| 07:17.25 | vinograd19 | CutMeOwnThroat I am not booted yet. I can't edit something |
| 07:17.39 | simonrvn | shrugs |
| 07:17.45 | nsadmin | qiyong: understood... so they would just get copied into place |
| 07:17.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | vinograd19, as I already... <CutMeOwnThroat> NOT so useful |
| 07:17.56 | galen | superlinux: yep. i'm actually in solaris playing with some similar things now. |
| 07:18.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, which would be sufficient for him... if it's for home-use |
| 07:18.45 | superlinux | ok cool |
| 07:18.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | qiyong, do you want the package(s) to go into Debian or are they just for you |
| 07:19.05 | nsadmin | right, there are things a debian maint has to do to make it suitable for the archive |
| 07:19.12 | qiyong | curvature: debian won't accept it |
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| 07:19.37 | simonrvn | qiyong: there's plenty of packages in the repos that aren't compiled. they all have an _all ending. |
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| 07:19.46 | anoHito | hi simonrvn :( |
| 07:19.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought noarch |
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| 07:19.48 | superlinux | i always wanted to be on FreeBSD. but the bastard depends on emulating linux, and not any! Fedora! which i dislike if not hateit |
| 07:19.59 | trupheenix | hi can anyone help me setup my multimedia keys on LXDE? |
| 07:20.04 | Rakko | I can't seem to format my changelog entry right |
| 07:20.05 | qiyong | simonrvn: they all built in source package form? |
| 07:20.16 | anoHito | simonrvn, it is strange, i run iptables-restore < iptables, says line iptables-restore: line 103 failed |
| 07:20.21 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: foobar-1.2.3-3_all.deb |
| 07:20.26 | simonrvn | qiyong: no |
| 07:20.28 | anoHito | but if i redo it, it reports no problem and work. |
| 07:20.30 | superlinux | Rakko changelog of? |
| 07:20.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rakko, just copy an earlier one? |
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| 07:20.39 | anoHito | i checked iptables,the 103th line is |
| 07:20.41 | simonrvn | qiyong: built *from*, yes |
| 07:20.59 | qiyong | simonrvn: or mostly are? |
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| 07:21.07 | anoHito | COMMIT |
| 07:21.10 | anoHito | how come ? |
| 07:21.13 | Rakko | superlinux, CutMeOwnThroat: for my "change" to this package... I found the error. |
| 07:21.23 | anoHito | too many lines ? |
| 07:21.30 | simonrvn | superlinux: i noticed that. i found it irritating. |
| 07:21.31 | Rakko | I know now that I don't need to muck about with changelog but I think it's interesting to learn to use it |
| 07:22.01 | simonrvn | anoHito: that should have a comment or something... it does weird things sometimes. |
| 07:22.05 | qiyong | CutMeOwnThroat: but i'm intrested to take up an orphaned pkg |
| 07:22.05 | superlinux | simonrvn I really do like BSD it should my OS! it's light and fast |
| 07:22.13 | anoHito | strange, now i redo that command, it keeps saying iptables-restore: line 103 failed |
| 07:22.33 | simonrvn | superlinux: i almost stuck with fbsd, but that fedora crap turned me off. |
| 07:22.40 | anoHito | it won't be load,but before i reinstall debian, it did say the same error but it worked after i re run it though. |
| 07:23.00 | vinograd19 | Does anybody know what parameters should i tell the grub to boot not from disk but fresh system? |
| 07:23.08 | anoHito | simonrvn, how do i sovle it ? |
| 07:23.18 | simonrvn | anoHito: is it loading the other rules after the "COMMIT"? |
| 07:23.23 | anoHito | remove that COMMIT ? |
| 07:23.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | qiyong, then you should 1st thing read what simonrvn suggested... ( '/msg dpkg nmg' and '/msg dpkg package basics' to get the urls again) |
| 07:23.52 | qiyong | CutMeOwnThroat: i read a bit |
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| 07:24.30 | anoHito | after that COMMIT there is only one line # Completed on Sat Apr 25 17:25:31 2009 |
| 07:24.52 | simonrvn | oh, so it doesn't matter then |
| 07:25.13 | simonrvn | is it loading the rules at least? |
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| 07:25.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | the COMMIT is definitely not the problem |
| 07:25.54 | simonrvn | hel-lo |
| 07:25.57 | anoHito | it does not load at all |
| 07:26.37 | simonrvn | is this some old version? i remember this happening in old versions, like 1.1 or 1.2 or something |
| 07:27.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, helo unaffiliated/simonrvn |
| 07:27.16 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:27.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 07:27.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I'm not getting this right either |
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| 07:27.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | 250 nw Hello localhost [127.0.0.1] |
| 07:27.54 | anoHito | simonrvn, hmm |
| 07:28.10 | anoHito | simonrvn, i reinstalled debian with different iptables version,yes. |
| 07:28.15 | anoHito | but how do i fix it anyway ? |
| 07:28.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 07:28.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pal anoHito |
| 07:28.26 | dpkg | points at anoHito and laughs |
| 07:28.40 | anoHito | :( |
| 07:28.53 | simonrvn | um, how many times have you reinstalled due to little problems like this? |
| 07:29.03 | trupheenix | can anyone help me configure multimedia keys? |
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| 07:29.19 | anoHito | also, fail2ban is weird, that is why it wont monitor proftpd, because i run iptables -L -nv , i do not see there is a chain for proftpd,very strange. |
| 07:29.23 | simonrvn | i'm not wanting to make fun or anything, but there's a lot easier ways to fix things.. |
| 07:29.35 | anoHito | simonrvn, the HDD wad died, i had to replace the HDD. |
| 07:29.49 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:30.00 | anoHito | huh ? |
| 07:30.05 | simonrvn | glad that worked out for you |
| 07:30.18 | simonrvn | lurks a lot ;) |
| 07:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | trupheenix, ask a real question (or don't) |
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| 07:30.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I'm off to bed anyway |
| 07:30.31 | anoHito | i mean how can i restore the iptables rule in my matter. |
| 07:30.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2:30 and 30 minutes walk home |
| 07:30.35 | simonrvn | nini |
| 07:30.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | anoHito, looks like the syntax has changed |
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| 07:30.55 | anoHito | hmm |
| 07:30.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | although that sounds... unusual |
| 07:31.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | not that it hasn't happened |
| 07:31.20 | simonrvn | anoHito: remove that commit thing, try loading it, then save it so you don't get a recurring issue. |
| 07:31.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | commit is just ... a semicolon |
| 07:31.37 | trupheenix | CutMeOwnThroat: hmmm |
| 07:31.54 | anoHito | Thanks |
| 07:32.00 | trupheenix | CutMeOwnThroat: i want to listen to music and control volume on LXDE. the multimedia keys don't work |
| 07:32.01 | simonrvn | if it doesn't work, you can always do some sed work to turn it into a script temporarily |
| 07:32.11 | anoHito | CutMeOwnThroat, 30 minute to walk to home and it is 2:30AM ? |
| 07:32.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | trupheenix, not to me! I'm going to bed - I'm just telling you that you can only get an answer if you ask a real question :) |
| 07:32.19 | anoHito | CutMeOwnThroat, are you ....NUTS ? |
| 07:32.19 | SRabbelier | Heya, I just installed Debian 5.0, but the screen resolution is too high (1680x1200), but when I got to Screen Resolution Preferences (in Gnome), I don't see any resolution options. I want to set it to 1600x1200 (I think), how do I best go about doing this? |
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| 07:32.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | anoHito, I think that was what I said |
| 07:32.25 | simonrvn | then save the output when it's loaded |
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| 07:32.49 | simonrvn | CMOT is an hour west of me, TZ-wise ;) |
| 07:32.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, you're insane |
| 07:32.50 | dpkg | HAHAHAAHAHHAA, INSANE... THEY SAID I AM INSANE HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 BUT I WILL SHOW THEM!!!!!11 |
| 07:32.59 | anoHito | CutMeOwnThroat, That is not safe to do that in my thoughts, you'd better keep your eyes on walking in the middle of night ...along. |
| 07:32.59 | trupheenix | CutMeOwnThroat: what u mean real question? |
| 07:32.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | anoHito, no, he is, he is |
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| 07:33.16 | simonrvn | more "one" would be more l33t :P |
| 07:33.19 | anoHito | i would drive. yes. |
| 07:33.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | anoHito, hm? |
| 07:33.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean I might be... robbed? |
| 07:33.41 | anoHito | i mean,drive to home in the middle of night, do not walk ,that is not safe. |
| 07:33.56 | Rakko | more organs == more human |
| 07:34.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm too tired to be robbed, burglared or anything |
| 07:34.05 | nkuttler | kind of depends on where and who you are.. |
| 07:34.08 | anoHito | by the way, how come fail2ban does not moniter proftpd ? |
| 07:34.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | anoHito, bike is broken :) |
| 07:34.17 | simonrvn | nkuttler: no kidding |
| 07:34.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it's per pedes |
| 07:34.26 | anoHito | in fail2ban.conf, i have already set true for proftpd |
| 07:34.46 | anoHito | i run iptables -L -nv , there is no chain for profptd in sights. |
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| 07:35.26 | anoHito | very strange hmm. |
| 07:35.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | anoHito, did you add a rule with iptables -L -nv manually? |
| 07:35.36 | anoHito | yes |
| 07:35.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that works? |
| 07:35.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's weird, then |
| 07:35.59 | anoHito | i ran iptables -L -nv , no proftpd is being moniterd by fail2ban,very strange. |
| 07:36.10 | simonrvn | wonders the +o |
| 07:36.11 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 07:36.18 | stew | simonrvn: bcuz i sux |
| 07:36.28 | liable | orz |
| 07:36.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o O ( where was the 2nd shoe? ) |
| 07:36.36 | anoHito | in my old etch box, it worked. |
| 07:36.41 | simonrvn | stew: no, 'cause you're a show off :P |
| 07:36.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, you should've kicked someone to cover up |
| 07:36.50 | creature_ | how do you allow in debian normal users access to USB? |
| 07:36.55 | simonrvn | stew: hehe.. what you doing up at this time? |
| 07:36.55 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.57 | stew | ooops |
| 07:37.03 | anoHito | hi stew :( |
| 07:37.06 | stew | HI |
| 07:37.07 | creature_ | there is no usbusers group |
| 07:37.13 | anoHito | would you help me, please ? |
| 07:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, the obvious choice... I'd already said I'm leaving :) |
| 07:37.18 | simonrvn | usbdev |
| 07:37.32 | anoHito | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.33 | creature_ | whats usbdev |
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| 07:37.51 | anoHito | i was using etch too,forgot which version of it though,but for right now, fail2ban wont monitor proftpd. |
| 07:37.53 | stew | i need to adjuse my /opme alias to be something other than "op me in #debian" |
| 07:37.57 | stew | adjust* |
| 07:38.01 | simonrvn | a group added by some package or another.. |
| 07:38.16 | anoHito | apt-get install fail2ban,then vi /etc/fail2ban/fail2ban.conf |
| 07:38.19 | simonrvn | stew: sec |
| 07:38.49 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.57 | simonrvn | in my irssi/.config |
| 07:39.03 | stew | oooh |
| 07:39.26 | anoHito | apt-get install fail2ban,then vi /etc/fail2ban/jail.conf |
| 07:39.32 | anoHito | [proftpd] |
| 07:39.33 | anoHito | enabled = true |
| 07:39.35 | simonrvn | works nice on fn, and oftc, but my deopme doesn't work on oftc |
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| 07:39.41 | anoHito | how come it is not shown in iptables |
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| 07:40.29 | simonrvn | anoHito: is that all you have? |
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| 07:41.03 | Rakko | There is some program that, if you type a command that doesn't exist, will search a database for that command and let you know what package you need to install to get it. What program does that? |
| 07:41.35 | anoHito | simonrvn, what do you mean ? |
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| 07:42.11 | simonrvn | command-not-found iirc... it's in sid (and maybe squeeze too) |
| 07:42.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's cute drindt has quit ("mary had a little segmentation fault") |
| 07:42.32 | simonrvn | anoHito: the thing you just pasted... |
| 07:42.32 | Rakko | oh, thanks |
| 07:42.41 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: yeh, eh |
| 07:42.59 | stew | simonrvn: that actually works! |
| 07:43.03 | simonrvn | needs to ZZzz... too |
| 07:43.04 | anoHito | simonrvn, i dont get it. i mean in jail.conf i have already enabled proftp as true |
| 07:43.09 | stew | simonrvn: someday I'll learn how this irc thing works |
| 07:43.18 | simonrvn | stew: i would hope so, i've been using it for years ;). |
| 07:43.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | has a little... walk :) |
| 07:43.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
| 07:43.28 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 07:43.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, hehe... you and me both :) |
| 07:43.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | b |
| 07:44.06 | simonrvn | minnesota? |
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| 07:44.33 | Rakko | night |
| 07:44.41 | anoHito | simonrvn, in jail.conf there is a line Next jails corresponds to the standard configuration in Fail2ban 0.6 |
| 07:44.41 | anoHito | # which was shipped in Debian. Please enable any defined here jail by including |
| 07:44.48 | simonrvn | oh, IL |
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| 07:45.14 | simonrvn | anoHito: no, for proftpd... but i guess you're using the default proftpd section |
| 07:45.47 | anoHito | simonrvn, let me paste them,pls hang on. |
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| 07:46.12 | superlinux2 | ok back |
| 07:46.25 | superlinux2 | so guys any questions |
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| 07:46.41 | superlinux2 | you're welcome to join us dinner |
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| 07:47.49 | anoHito | simonrvn, jail.conf http://pastebin.ca/1427244 |
| 07:48.05 | dkr | you don't need to update us on every moment of your life. :) use twitter |
| 07:48.09 | anoHito | simonrvn, /etc/fail2ban/jail.conf |
| 07:49.10 | anoHito | simonrvn, iptables -L -nv http://pastebin.ca/1427246 |
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| 07:49.19 | anoHito | simonrvn, Thank you in advance. |
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| 07:52.34 | anoHito | simonrvn, gees, please forgive me |
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| 07:53.38 | anoHito | simonrvn, please just check that jail.conf paste, please ignore that iptables paste,cuz it is incorrect, the contents of iptables has changed after i tried to load iptables, remember, i did a reboot, now i run iptables -L -nv, i will paste the current. |
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| 07:54.14 | simonrvn | anoHito: um, doesn't fail2ban add them only when needed? |
| 07:54.31 | anoHito | simonrvn, iptables -L -nv http://pastebin.ca/1427248 |
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| 07:54.57 | anoHito | the proftpd does in it, but, it wont ban ftp incorrect login-in attemptions,weird. |
| 07:55.17 | anoHito | it won't ban . |
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| 07:56.08 | anoHito | i use a ftp client, set if login is failure will retry in 10 minute, it won't ban the IP, in iptables -L -nv ,it does not show the IP in proftp section. |
| 07:56.33 | anoHito | so i mean to do some incorrect ftp login attemtions to test it out,it wont work. |
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| 07:59.26 | simonrvn | anoHito: iptables -vnxL | grep fail |
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| 08:01.10 | Shtl | any compatible Live usb creatpr for lenny? |
| 08:01.27 | heroxbd | Hi. I have a question: can I have a FTP mirror that is "copy on demand"? That is like a proxy-cache, but to the end user it is no different from the original ftp site. |
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| 08:02.59 | heroxbd | so it is a reverse ftp proxy. |
| 08:04.50 | dkr | heroxbd: yes, use squid |
| 08:05.27 | heroxbd | dkr: squid can behave as an ordinary ftp site from outside? |
| 08:06.24 | dkr | heroxbd: hrm, no actually not |
| 08:06.43 | dkr | http://man.chinaunix.net/newsoft/squid/Squid_FAQ/FAQ-12.html#ss12.17 |
| 08:07.16 | anoHito | simonrvn, http://pastebin.ca/1427255 |
| 08:07.29 | dkr | ftp-proxy - application level proxy for the FTP protoc |
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| 08:08.00 | dkr | hrm, don't see anything about caching in it's desc though |
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| 08:11.05 | shardz_ | whats the best way to clean up packages that i dont want? somehow a bunch of extras got installed, do i have to just go through and remove each one ? |
| 08:11.09 | anoHito | simonrvn, also, i removed that COMMIT , but it now says iptables-restore: COMMIT expected at line 104 |
| 08:11.44 | heroxbd | dkr: neither do I :( |
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| 08:12.17 | heroxbd | dkr: maybe caching is not so important. I will try ftp-proxy |
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| 08:14.21 | heroxbd | dkr: Oh... may be apache can do that with mod_proxy_ftp :) |
| 08:15.05 | PrebenR | Hi I have a acpid question. When I boot the acpid seems to run as no user. the $USER is empty. This makes my scripts that use xsetroot not work. If I do a /etc/init.d/acpid restart, then acpid becomes root and my scripts works. Should hte acpid be run as no user or can I define in some config file the behaviour? |
| 08:15.18 | superlinux2 | ok back |
| 08:15.41 | superlinux2 | just finished dinner |
| 08:16.13 | simonrvn | anoHito: so like, what's the problem then? it adds them in. |
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| 08:16.54 | superlinux | any one looking for help? |
| 08:17.15 | OpenTokix | =) |
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| 08:17.19 | anoHito | simonrvn, it wont ban proftpd |
| 08:17.28 | PrebenR | superlinux, yes |
| 08:17.36 | superlinux | PrebenR? |
| 08:17.41 | anoHito | simonrvn, i googled, says i gotta cp jail.con jail.local, as well as in jail.conf it mentions. |
| 08:17.41 | superlinux | ask |
| 08:17.44 | PrebenR | Hi I have a acpid question. When I boot the acpid seems to run as no user. the $USER is empty. This makes my scripts that use xsetroot not work. If I do a /etc/init.d/acpid restart, then acpid becomes root and my scripts works. Should hte acpid be run as no user or can I define in some config file the behaviour? |
| 08:17.45 | bolt-work | looking for cake |
| 08:17.48 | anoHito | that is for debian ,gees, letme try. |
| 08:17.59 | OpenTokix | superlinux: I wanna know how to route my torrentflux to a ppp0-pptp interface, but all other traffic thru my normal net. |
| 08:18.10 | superlinux | PrebenR not good @ acpi. i'll read your question though |
| 08:18.45 | simonrvn | anoHito: ok. i'm dead tired, and going to bed very soon. good luck. |
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| 08:19.27 | superlinux | OpenTokix can use iptables of course |
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| 08:20.04 | superlinux | as long as it's a pppX , then use the ip-up.d folders |
| 08:20.08 | superlinux | as long as it's a pppX , then use the ip-up.d folder |
| 08:20.13 | superlinux | 1 one folder |
| 08:20.20 | superlinux | it has scripts |
| 08:20.37 | superlinux | it has scripts that run on ppp up or down |
| 08:21.05 | superlinux | OpenTokix ok? |
| 08:21.13 | PrebenR | superlinux, ok, I have read that one should use hal and not acpid (does this also mean laptop keys like shutdown etc?) If to use hal instead do you know any tutorial? |
| 08:21.35 | OpenTokix | superlinux: I dont need to put it up or down, it can be up all the time |
| 08:21.42 | superlinux | ok |
| 08:21.58 | superlinux | so use the command 'route' |
| 08:22.27 | superlinux | man route. it has examples |
| 08:22.40 | OpenTokix | superlinux: no go, since all traffic will go thru the ppp0, and if I bind bitornado to that ip, it will send no traffic |
| 08:23.52 | mischief6 | is there a way to build-dep with aptitude? |
| 08:24.30 | stew | mischief6: with recent versions of aptitude, yes |
| 08:24.32 | superlinux | ah now i got you |
| 08:24.38 | themill | mischief6: from lenny, "aptitude build-dep" surprisingly. But you could just as easily use apt-get for that |
| 08:24.44 | superlinux | OpenTokixdo u know iptables very well? |
| 08:24.52 | OpenTokix | superlinux: not very no |
| 08:25.01 | mischief6 | themill, aren't the dependency resolving capabilities of aptitude better than apt-get? |
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| 08:25.04 | superlinux | but enough to build a match? |
| 08:25.06 | OpenTokix | superlinux: But it can be any destination and source ip, since its bittorrent |
| 08:25.21 | OpenTokix | superlinux: no, I can only use a template to build a simple firewall |
| 08:25.24 | superlinux | yes. you just match the ports |
| 08:25.26 | themill | mischief6: yes, but build-dep shouldn't be creating exciting and strange dependency situations, as a general rule |
| 08:25.40 | OpenTokix | superlinux: ahh, smart |
| 08:25.45 | OpenTokix | superlinux: I will look into that |
| 08:25.47 | OpenTokix | superlinux: gr8 |
| 08:25.48 | superlinux | and use the forward rule |
| 08:26.07 | OpenTokix | superlinux: since I can bind bittornado to certain ports |
| 08:26.09 | superlinux | i wish i memorised iptables |
| 08:26.29 | mischief6 | stew, i don't seem to have a build-dep or source option on my aptitude and i am on sid |
| 08:26.41 | OpenTokix | superlinux: Strangely enough I don't know iptables, but I have fw I admin that put out some 400Mbit web-traffic =) |
| 08:26.53 | stew | mischief6: you should have build-dep but not source. what version of aptitude do you have installed? |
| 08:27.01 | superlinux | anyway guys i am just testing my memory . my copmuter CPU's are burnt. i am using someones lappy with winodws |
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| 08:27.07 | superlinux | on wireless too |
| 08:27.29 | mischief6 | stew, aptitude 0.4.11.11 |
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| 08:27.41 | RaymondX | does debian have a fluxtorrent package? |
| 08:27.48 | superlinux | it was a Dual Xeon workstation |
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| 08:28.16 | nkuttler | mischief6: what makes you think you "don't have" build-dep? |
| 08:28.17 | RaymondX | *torrentflux? |
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| 08:29.02 | mischief6 | nkuttler, could be that aptitude -h shows nothing about build-dep |
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| 08:29.15 | nkuttler | mischief6: man aptitude |
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| 08:29.58 | nkuttler | mischief6: oh, and file a bug i guess |
| 08:30.05 | mischief6 | hmm, i see :\ |
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| 08:30.24 | themill | mischief6: man aptitude. Or TIAS! |
| 08:30.39 | superlinux | PeterFA so back to your problem... |
| 08:30.52 | superlinux | sorry |
| 08:31.08 | superlinux | he left |
| 08:31.12 | mischief6 | themill, indeed, it seems to work. -h needs updating :( |
| 08:31.20 | superlinux | PeterFA sorry |
| 08:31.28 | superlinux | who is next? |
| 08:31.28 | themill | mischief6: yes. So does bash-completion. |
| 08:31.47 | themill | !next |
| 08:31.47 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 08:31.47 | superlinux | heh |
| 08:32.00 | superlinux | themill ? yes? |
| 08:33.38 | superlinux | so who is next? |
| 08:33.52 | superlinux | i am hungry to help someone |
| 08:34.00 | superlinux | or thursty |
| 08:34.10 | superlinux | however you say |
| 08:36.27 | superlinux | so who is next? |
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| 08:38.34 | qiyong | how many debian native packages are there? |
| 08:38.39 | qiyong | what are they mainly? |
| 08:39.03 | OpenTokix | qiyong: what do you mean by native? |
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| 08:39.15 | OpenTokix | qiyong: compiled binary packages in the default repo? |
| 08:39.29 | qiyong | OpenTokix: no |
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| 08:39.36 | superlinux | qiyong why do you ask such a question? |
| 08:39.48 | qiyong | OpenTokix: google it |
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| 08:40.26 | komodo | hi all, i have debian testing, and i installed wxcam deb package. but there are unresolved dependencies (different library versions) so i have installed with --force-depends. everything works well, but now if i run aptitude update i get broken package error. is there any possibility to tell apt to ignore this problem ? |
| 08:40.31 | superlinux | in my opinion it's needless |
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| 08:40.40 | superlinux | komodo hi |
| 08:41.08 | superlinux | komodo i think so |
| 08:41.13 | nkuttler | komodo: pastebin the error |
| 08:41.27 | superlinux | you can add an option |
| 08:41.31 | komodo | superlinux: hi |
| 08:41.40 | superlinux | like most applications |
| 08:41.51 | stew | qiyong: there are many, they aren't mainly anything in particular |
| 08:42.22 | stew | qiyong: "grep-dctrl -e -F Version "^[^-]+$" -s Package /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources" lists about 750 |
| 08:42.33 | themill | qiyong: cd /var/lib/apt/lists; grep ^Version: ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages | grep -ce - |
| 08:42.41 | themill | or that, stew :) |
| 08:42.46 | OpenTokix | qiyong: So I should google to understand your question? |
| 08:43.18 | themill | OpenTokix: a "native" package is a concept in debian packaging. |
| 08:43.24 | qiyong | stew: what's grep-dctrl ? |
| 08:43.26 | simonrvn | komodo: keep ignoring it until everything breaks? brilliant plan. |
| 08:43.27 | OpenTokix | themill: ok |
| 08:43.53 | simonrvn | komodo: you break it, you keep both pieces. |
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| 08:44.02 | stew | OpenTokix: its a package that can be identified as having no - in its version string. it would have only a .tar.gz, not a orig.tar.gz + a diff.gz |
| 08:44.06 | simonrvn | don't expect a refund. |
| 08:45.09 | OpenTokix | stew: thx |
| 08:45.14 | simonrvn | qiyong is a bit confused as to what a debian native package is... |
| 08:45.15 | komodo | simonrvn: heh, no, but what should i do ? i want this package but there is dependency problem, and i don't want to make my own package |
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| 08:45.28 | superlinux | simonrvn LOL! we get super glue |
| 08:45.52 | komodo | superlinux: :-) |
| 08:46.04 | komodo | simonrvn: maybe is this package for ubuntu |
| 08:46.06 | stew | qiyong: its a package that makes searching through the various rfc822 formatted debian files easy, such as those found in /var/lib/apt/lists/ or /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 08:46.11 | komodo | acheron:/var/lib/esets# acheron:/etc/init.d# dpkg -i /home/komodo/data/download/work/wxcam_1.0.4_i386.debSelecting previously deselected package wxcam.(Reading database ... 149757 files and directories currently installed.)Unpacking wxcam (from .../work/wxcam_1.0.4_i386.deb) ...dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of wxcam: wxcam depends on libmjpegtools0c2a (>= 1:1.8.0); however: Package libmjpegtools0c2a is not installed. wxcam depends on lib |
| 08:46.11 | komodo | : Version of libwxbase2.8-0 on system is 2.8.7.1-1.1. wxcam depends on libwxgtk2.8-0 (>= 2.8.8.0); however: Version of libwxgtk2.8-0 on system is 2.8.7.1-1.1.dpkg: error processing wxcam (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfiguredErrors were encountered while processing: |
| 08:46.17 | shyam | is it possible to take the "pool" and other necessary contents from a live cd and build an installation cd from it without requiring further download? |
| 08:46.22 | themill | dpkg: tell komodo about paste |
| 08:46.38 | themill | komodo: please use a pastebin for that sort of stuff... it's utterly unreadable when it's in the channel like that |
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| 08:46.49 | simonrvn | komodo: you deal with it properly; you install a backport or make one. don't do things like that unless you're doing dev work on dpkg or such. |
| 08:47.03 | simonrvn | no fucking kidding.. pardon my language... |
| 08:47.03 | superlinux | komodo as i told you look up for an option for APT that ignores broken |
| 08:47.16 | themill | superlinux: err... no. |
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| 08:47.38 | superlinux | themill does not that work?! |
| 08:48.16 | superlinux | so how come i do apt-get remove --purge ? |
| 08:48.18 | simonrvn | contradicting people for no good reason, and counselling breaking their system does not help people. |
| 08:49.04 | komodo | ok here is the output http://paste.debian.net/36539/ |
| 08:49.12 | superlinux | ok |
| 08:50.27 | superlinux | komodo try to find these pkgs 1st then install wxcam |
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| 08:50.35 | themill | komodo: where's this wxcam from? It's not a package that was designed for debian |
| 08:50.36 | superlinux | ok? |
| 08:51.28 | fluxdude | is there any way to not have certain packages installed via d-i preseeding? |
| 08:51.48 | komodo | superlinux: there are those packages but for example this libmjpegtools0c2a has different name, so it seems that is for another distro |
| 08:51.57 | shyam | mount says unknown file system type 'squashfs' as i try mount filesystem.squashfs -o loop -t squashfs /mount/point |
| 08:52.04 | qiyong | the-dude: why you search pattern - ? |
| 08:52.25 | komodo | themill: it's from wxcam homepage |
| 08:52.56 | themill | qiyong: native packages don't have a - in their version; non-native packages do have a -. "grep -ce -"for non-native packages, "grep -vce -" for native packages |
| 08:52.56 | superlinux | komodo it's better compile it from source i think |
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| 08:54.04 | qiyong | themill: is that file only concatenation of DEBIAN/control of all installed pkgs? |
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| 08:54.55 | superlinux | komodo did you look it up, that libmjpeg..? |
| 08:55.04 | superlinux | in the apt-cache |
| 08:55.12 | komodo | superlinux: yes, maybe you are right, but i have no experience making deb packages from source |
| 08:56.04 | komodo | superlinux: yes there is libmjpegtools-1.9 but not libmjpegtools0c2a |
| 08:56.15 | superlinux | ok just do it! |
| 08:56.27 | superlinux | it will come with it i think |
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| 08:56.46 | superlinux | it's just a name |
| 08:56.50 | SRabbelier | Heya, I just installed Debian 5.0, but the screen resolution is too high (1680x1200), but when I got to Screen Resolution Preferences (in Gnome), I don't see any resolution options. I want to set it to 1600x1200 (I think), how do I best go about doing this? |
| 08:57.16 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.30 | matt7676 | I would like to try Quemu, but my Intel E2200 CPU seems not to support "Intel® Virtualization Technology"(http://ark.intel.com/VTList.aspx#26547). Is it worth trying anyway? Or should I use some other emulator instead of Quemu, which doesn't require Intel VT? |
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| 08:57.49 | superlinux | name the symlink as the file required by your app |
| 08:58.09 | superlinux | it might run using older libs |
| 08:58.24 | komodo | superlinux: i have this libmjpegtools-1.9 installed but it seems that wxcam needs exactly libmjpegtools0c2ai will try to make my own package |
| 08:58.44 | superlinux | komodo .. do as i said |
| 08:58.52 | superlinux | for example: |
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| 08:59.27 | komodo | superlinux: what do you mean, there are many posts above :-) |
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| 09:00.46 | superlinux | create a link to libmj...-1.9 . name the link as libmj...c2a |
| 09:01.00 | superlinux | komodo got it? |
| 09:01.39 | komodo | superlinux: yes, but i don't think it will work |
| 09:01.39 | superlinux | so when you run the application you make it think that the file exists |
| 09:01.44 | superlinux | try |
| 09:01.53 | anoHito | the fail2ban shipped with etch 4.0 r8 has a problem that it wont do anything to proftp . |
| 09:01.54 | superlinux | wont harm . just a link |
| 09:01.58 | anoHito | the version is 0.7.5-2etch1 |
| 09:02.14 | anoHito | i think i gotta compile it from tarball :( |
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| 09:04.47 | komodo | superlinux: i don't have problem to run wxcam , i have problem to install it without break dependenciesthere is no file called libmjpegtools0c2a neither libmjpegtools-1.9, is the name of the package, so link will not fix it |
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| 09:05.47 | superlinux | aha |
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| 09:08.24 | superlinux | komodo it could be an ubuntu |
| 09:09.02 | komodo | superlinux: i thought so |
| 09:09.15 | superlinux | gosh with ubuntu |
| 09:09.25 | anoHito | maybe fail2ban needs to use access_log ? i have disabled access_log |
| 09:09.29 | superlinux | i feel they are intryders |
| 09:09.35 | superlinux | i feel they are intruders |
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| 09:12.44 | komodo | superlinux: i don't get it, ubuntu get packages from debian, but then they have different package names, stupid *buntu |
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| 09:15.31 | superlinux | next! who is next? |
| 09:15.40 | superlinux | !next |
| 09:15.41 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
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| 09:16.55 | igrek | Hello. |
| 09:17.58 | igrek | I'm having troubles sharing over NFS: some solaris boxes say that my share is unreadable. How can I troubleshot that? |
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| 09:20.19 | anoHito | anyone has proftpd installed ? |
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| 09:21.06 | tarzeau | anoHito: used to, many years ago |
| 09:21.14 | komodo | superlinux: i am next :-D no just kidding, but one question when i am herei don't upgrade since kde 4 is in testing, have someone from here some experiences or advices after uprgade to KDE4 ? |
| 09:21.15 | arcsky | when i do apt-get upgrade i dont get the latest openssh updated |
| 09:22.07 | petemc | arcsky: latest according to who? |
| 09:22.12 | petemc | anoHito: yes |
| 09:22.24 | xand | any ideas on what would cause ssh to hang like this, to any machien I try and connect to - on or off subnet. existing connections are fine: http://paste.debian.net/36540/ |
| 09:22.26 | arcsky | http://www.openssh.com/ |
| 09:22.28 | xand | it hangs there indefinitely |
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| 09:23.11 | anoHito | petemc, can we figure out why fail2ban wont ban proftp login please ? |
| 09:23.27 | anoHito | petemc, i am curious about the log path that the jail.local uses. |
| 09:23.28 | petemc | ive never used fail2ban, so probably not |
| 09:23.38 | anoHito | hmm |
| 09:24.17 | petemc | proftpd is generally considered not to be secure |
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| 09:24.28 | superlinux | igrek |
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| 09:24.37 | xand | ftp is generally considered not to be secure :P |
| 09:24.40 | bolt-work | since when was ftp secure? |
| 09:24.43 | bolt-work | exactly... |
| 09:24.51 | petemc | fsvo secure |
| 09:25.07 | petemc | problems with the protocol withstanding |
| 09:25.09 | Sazpaimon | I need to access megaupload from a text based browser |
| 09:25.24 | igrek | is listening to superlinux |
| 09:25.30 | superlinux | komodo i did nt know that KDE4 is in the TESTING |
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| 09:25.53 | superlinux | igrek check the permisions in the exports file |
| 09:26.38 | superlinux | soon when i install debian i'll for sure install kde4 |
| 09:26.49 | igrek | superlinux: well, if they were wrong I would not be able to access it from other boxes, would I? |
| 09:26.51 | themill | arcsky: what version of debian are you using? |
| 09:27.03 | komodo | superlinux: yes it is since yesterday |
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| 09:27.25 | igrek | tcpdump shows 'reply ok 56 getattr ERROR: No such file or directory' |
| 09:27.30 | superlinux | igrek well just look at your exports again |
| 09:27.46 | superlinux | komodo wow! that's nice |
| 09:27.59 | igrek | superlinux: /work *(rw,no_subtree_check) |
| 09:28.04 | superlinux | cos i am always on the testing version. it's ok to use it |
| 09:28.09 | arcsky | themill: Debian 5 |
| 09:28.14 | themill | dpkg: tell arcsky about stable |
| 09:28.39 | superlinux | igrek lemme read your question again |
| 09:29.10 | arcsky | i have unstable |
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| 09:29.13 | themill | arcsky: you should never expect to see the absolute latest version of a package available in stable. That's the point of stable -- it doesn't change. You get "well tested" rather than "shiny new and not playing well with the other kids". |
| 09:29.23 | fluxdude | why is debian preseeding so sh*t?? Apart from it being buggy, Why is the documentation so lame and incomplete? Anyone? |
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| 09:29.29 | arcsky | themill: ok i see |
| 09:29.32 | komodo | superlinux: yes it is, but i'm afraid to upgrade :-) i need some positive feedback first |
| 09:29.39 | superlinux | igrek your /work line is ok |
| 09:29.45 | fluxdude | I am trying to figure out from the lack of documentation if it's even possible to deselect packages to not be installed |
| 09:29.56 | anoHito | i can not get fail2ban to work on proftp,but it works for ssh ,very very strange, it used to be okay . |
| 09:29.56 | fluxdude | and to actually make my late commands in-target work etc. |
| 09:30.00 | EugenMayer | hello. Does anybody use a ATOM system for Servers ( backups, asterisk ) with debian on? |
| 09:30.04 | anoHito | i just did a debian reinstall. |
| 09:30.05 | superlinux | komodo why not try a VMware install |
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| 09:30.15 | igrek | superlinux: could it be an id mapping issue? |
| 09:30.18 | fluxdude | bloody hell I've wasted all of yesterday on this garbage. give me back kickstart damn it. |
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| 09:30.35 | anoHito | they say in debian we should copy jail.conf to jail.local ,i did, it still doesnt work. |
| 09:30.36 | themill | fluxdude: have you tried asking in #debian-boot on oftc? |
| 09:30.37 | superlinux | igrek donno |
| 09:30.51 | anoHito | i mean, i mean to test it out to fail to log in ftp,but it does not ban. |
| 09:30.52 | superlinux | see someone else. that's the much i know |
| 09:30.59 | komodo | superlinux: because in wmvare and other i don't have direct acces to all HW, like TV card |
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| 09:31.05 | anoHito | my proftp is custombuild |
| 09:31.15 | superlinux | komodo ok |
| 09:31.21 | anoHito | i am guessing there is something incorrect in the default conf in fail2ban something. |
| 09:31.24 | anoHito | any clue ? |
| 09:31.28 | fluxdude | themill: no will do |
| 09:31.29 | themill | fluxdude: and why would you want to prevent packages from being installed? Aren't the packages that are being installed all being dragged in for a reason (i.e. dependency)? |
| 09:31.31 | superlinux | then try booting on some other disk |
| 09:31.39 | superlinux | any old disk |
| 09:31.42 | fluxdude | themill: thx forgot about that |
| 09:31.59 | themill | fluxdude: and don't use words like "garbage" when asking the people who wrote it... they'll either lart you or /ignore you and either way, you won't get help. |
| 09:32.16 | superlinux | goes for water. brb |
| 09:33.37 | superlinux | back |
| 09:34.01 | superlinux | so? |
| 09:34.06 | fluxdude | #debian-boot is empty... |
| 09:34.20 | anoHito | when i install fail2ban, it says suggested package python-gamin |
| 09:34.23 | fluxdude | double checked that from the web page... |
| 09:34.25 | anoHito | do i really need that one ? |
| 09:34.37 | fluxdude | themill: yeah I know, but you have no idea how frustrated I have been since yesterday. |
| 09:34.50 | fluxdude | joined the mailing list, got spammed, unjoined this morning. |
| 09:34.56 | fluxdude | never mind... |
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| 09:35.11 | themill | fluxdude: it's not empty... it has 95 users in it. |
| 09:35.11 | petemc | phil hands wrote some reasonable docs on preseeding |
| 09:35.57 | fluxdude | themill: huh? I just joined and was the only user, must have created an empty channel... but I used debian-boot and #debian-boot... |
| 09:36.04 | themill | on oftc? |
| 09:36.13 | fluxdude | oh my fault tried it on freenode |
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| 09:39.29 | Sazpaimon | I need to access megaupload from a text based browser, this is impossible isn't it? |
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| 09:39.58 | petemc | Sazpaimon: try w3m or link2 |
| 09:40.02 | petemc | links2 |
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| 09:41.16 | Sazpaimon | petemc, how will that help |
| 09:41.38 | petemc | how will trying them help? |
| 09:41.48 | Sazpaimon | petemc, well, it uses captcha :/ |
| 09:42.16 | petemc | Sazpaimon: i was making a suggestion, feel free to ignore it and repeatedly ask your question in here |
| 09:42.26 | Sazpaimon | petemc, I've already tried both, actually |
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| 09:42.57 | petemc | im very proud of you |
| 09:43.08 | redstick | im more proud |
| 09:43.14 | Sazpaimon | hur hur |
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| 09:44.46 | themill | Sazpaimon: so is real question "how can I use a captcha protected site with a text browser?". Remembering that a good portion of us wouldn't know wtf megaupload is other than it sounds like a paste site of some description. |
| 09:45.36 | Sazpaimon | themill, yes in retrospect asking how to use a text browser with captcha would have been a better question |
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| 09:46.03 | anoHito | fail2ban-server: python script text executable |
| 09:46.09 | anoHito | how do i excute it ? |
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| 09:50.00 | anoHito | themill, can you help me please ? |
| 09:50.13 | anoHito | i cannot get fail2ban work with the custom built proftpd |
| 09:50.24 | anoHito | i read the official intro,says Fail2Ban v0.8.2 reads log file that contains password failure report and bans the corresponding IP addresses using firewall rules. |
| 09:50.35 | anoHito | see,it NEEDs to read the log file |
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| 09:50.56 | themill | anoHito: I've never used fail2ban with anything other than ssh and I've never used proftpd, so I doubt I can help you other than pointing you to the docs that you've already found... |
| 09:51.11 | anoHito | but in the jail.conf file, by default the log file is /var/log/proftpd/proftpd.log ,however i DO NOT have this file at all |
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| 09:51.40 | anoHito | themill, i need your asistance :( |
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| 09:53.02 | petemc | anoHito: sounds like you know your problem |
| 09:53.10 | petemc | and the solution.. |
| 09:53.18 | anoHito | but i do not know which log file it really needs. |
| 09:53.21 | anoHito | as it say Fail2Ban v0.8.2 reads log file that contains password failure report and bans the corresponding IP addresses using firewall rules. |
| 09:53.36 | anoHito | i have /var/log/auth.log , and /var/log/proftpd/auth.log |
| 09:54.02 | anoHito | in the fail2ban config,by default the log is set as /var/log/proftpd/proftpd.log however i do not have this file. |
| 09:54.05 | petemc | most likely you can tell fail2ban which log to read |
| 09:54.12 | petemc | if you cant that would be rather shit |
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| 09:57.19 | anoHito | i have tried both log file, neither worked |
| 09:57.23 | omid8bimo | guys. is there a seemless way to upgrade lenny's gnome2.22 to newer gnome? |
| 09:57.26 | anoHito | very strange |
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| 09:58.58 | mischief6 | i am trying to build php5 on debian with dpkg-buildpackage, but i want to build php with thread support and use apache2-mpm-worker. when i run dpkg-buildpackage, it complains about not having apache2-prefork-dev package, because i installed apache2-threaded-dev. anyone know how i can fix this? |
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| 09:59.14 | jaggz | konqueror's not running... seems to be after some reading from a socket, it tries a write and sits there... connect(9, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/.ICE-unix/dcop5252-1242364352"...}, 37) = 0 |
| 09:59.28 | jaggz | whyfor? |
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| 10:00.02 | jaggz | it does some reading and writing to 9 before it freezes up |
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| 10:01.03 | themill | mischief6: I take it that you've read /usr/share/doc/php5-common/README.Debian.gz? |
| 10:01.18 | tingle | is flashplugin-nonfree missing from lenny (5.0)? |
| 10:01.20 | mischief6 | themill, have not |
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| 10:01.26 | themill | dpkg: tell tingle about adobe flash |
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| 10:02.07 | tingle | window 6 |
| 10:02.23 | mischief6 | themill, i don't have that file. |
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| 10:02.51 | themill | mischief6: it's in Debian's php5 packages (php5-common to be precise) |
| 10:03.24 | mischief6 | themill, i have php5-common, but not php5 because i am building it -.-' |
| 10:04.06 | themill | mischief6: that file will also be in the source package somewhere... but you will rebuild all php packages not just the one that you want. |
| 10:04.53 | jaggz | looks like the same problem.. back in 2001? :) http://lists.kde.org/?l=konq-bugs&m=99916777604029&w=2 |
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| 10:05.44 | mischief6 | themill, what do you mean? |
| 10:05.55 | themill | about what? |
| 10:06.33 | mischief6 | building all php packages |
| 10:06.52 | mischief6 | i am not going to be using any other extensions other than the ones i set at compile time |
| 10:06.53 | anoHito | it doest not work at all :( :( |
| 10:07.01 | anoHito | fail2ban proftpd doesnt work. |
| 10:08.15 | themill | mischief6: you can't (easily) just build one of the binary packages that are provided by the php5 source package. The php5 source package builds a lot of php5-* packages plus some libapache2-* packages. "apt-cache showsrc php5 | grep Binary:" |
| 10:08.35 | themill | mischief6: why are you doing this anyway? |
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| 10:08.59 | mischief6 | themill, because i want to use php with mpm-worker |
| 10:09.15 | themill | mischief6: then you really need to read the README.Debian I pointed you to earlier. |
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| 10:09.50 | mischief6 | themill, well, it's nowhere to be found, even in the source tree |
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| 10:11.35 | themill | mischief6: then look harder. It's debian/php5-common.README.Debian |
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| 10:14.05 | jaggz | I'm running "konqueror ." and it's doing some weird: write(9, "\10http\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\34www.google.com\16/search\16/searchB?q=some+keyword&ie=UTF-008&oe=UTF-008\377\377\377\377"..., 165) = 165 |
| 10:14.05 | jaggz | read(9, |
| 10:14.07 | mischief6 | themill, alright, i read it. it wasn't helpful, really, it doesn't talk how to build it for threading at all |
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| 10:14.25 | themill | mischief6: it tells you *not* to build it for threading, which I would have thought was more important |
| 10:14.52 | mischief6 | themill, that is not relevant to my interests. i *want* to build it with threading support. |
| 10:15.10 | themill | mischief6: right... |
| 10:15.47 | mischief6 | themill, i could use the only ./configure, make, make install and build it with threading support, but i'd really like to have it as a package. :\ |
| 10:15.50 | mischief6 | old* |
| 10:16.34 | themill | And it fundamentally doesn't work which is why it's disabled in Debian. |
| 10:16.50 | themill | But if you think you know better than the PHP developers and packagers, then you'll have absolutely no trouble in working out how to recompile it yourself. Fore more information about debian packaging, /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 10:22.31 | anoHito | how do i disable ipv6 ? |
| 10:22.56 | anoHito | i found the log list all ips with ::ffff: in the beginning,maybe that is why fail2ban cannot recognze it |
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| 10:25.16 | Polarina | Nobody wants to disable IPv6. |
| 10:25.21 | Polarina | Not a good thing... |
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| 10:26.39 | omid8bimo | i don't have geoip.conf in /etc. how can i get it? |
| 10:26.59 | _kettle_ | Hi. I installed the 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 kernel on a 2.6.26-2-amd64 system, but the new kernel won't boot (had to rescue to recover even, got some GRUB trouble). My guess is that the initrd is broken, but shouldn't that work "out of the box"? |
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| 10:28.51 | _kettle_ | I had to rescue the first time because of the grub issue, but now I get a message like "Error - you need to load the linux kernel first." |
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| 10:29.22 | _kettle_ | the root partition is on a lvm2-partition |
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| 10:33.21 | asulao | hi. I need a specific package from squeeze, but am currently using stable. How can I install those, if it's possible? |
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| 10:35.04 | shyam | like debian-live has a script using cdebootstrap to create a live cd, is there a script that makes an installation cd? |
| 10:35.09 | shyam | taking packages from repo? |
| 10:35.37 | eraserhead | no |
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| 10:39.01 | themill | asulao: /msg dpkg backport |
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| 10:40.32 | asulao | thanks, themill |
| 10:41.23 | themill | asulao: no worries. Check to see if backports.org has it already, then try to compile it yourself. It may not be easy to backport and the backport you make might not work properly even if it does compile. |
| 10:42.21 | asulao | I guess so, I need a specific python module, I guess I'll need a full new python version |
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| 10:43.07 | themill | asulao: eww... you probably don't want do go down that path. But backporting just that python module probably isn't too hard at this stage |
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| 10:45.24 | enouf | SET hide_text_style ON |
| 10:45.51 | enouf | oops |
| 10:48.56 | asulao | themill, it isn't available, I guess I'll have to try compile it. |
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| 10:49.15 | themill | asulao: what is it you're looking for? |
| 10:49.22 | enouf | can someone give me the command to set nick coloring in irssi? i'm looking all through the docs and cannot seem to find precisely what i want; which is; just have all nicks randomly be _some_ color (say randomly selected from even as little as 8 different colors) |
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| 10:50.14 | petemc | enouf: /help hilight , i would have thought |
| 10:50.17 | asulao | python-webkit. it seems to be available in testing |
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| 10:52.00 | asulao | themill, python-webkit. it seems to be available in testing |
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| 10:52.47 | themill | asulao: All the build-deps for that are in lenny. You might be in luck :) |
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| 10:53.39 | enouf | petemc: it doesn't unfortunatly, unless it wants me to use a regex that encompasses all nicks - but even so, i bet they'd all be the same hilight color (yellowish) |
| 10:54.00 | asulao | themill, which means that maybe I can just get the deb-src for python-webkit and no extra depends will be required? |
| 10:54.11 | asulao | (apart from those packages already in lenny, right?) |
| 10:54.42 | petemc | enouf: im pretty sure with the correct invocation thats the command you need |
| 10:54.47 | themill | asulao: seems to backport fine. Yes, deb-src for sid or squeeze and then apt-get update ; apt-get build-dep python-webkit ; apt-get source -b python-webkit should work out fine for you |
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| 10:55.47 | asulao | great, thanks themill, going to try |
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| 10:56.22 | superlinux | hi all |
| 10:56.26 | superlinux | back |
| 10:57.25 | bolt-work | kicks superlinux |
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| 10:58.38 | superlinux | bolt-work wassup!? |
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| 10:58.50 | superlinux | why did u kick? |
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| 10:59.24 | bolt-work | no particular reason |
| 11:00.00 | superlinux | ok |
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| 11:01.14 | asulao | themill, well it's strange, but python-webkit in debian web site says it depends on python 2.5, but apt-get build-dep python webkit tells me to install python 2.4 |
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| 11:01.52 | anoHito | E: Couldn't find package iostat |
| 11:01.57 | asulao | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/python-webkit |
| 11:02.04 | anoHito | weird, i was using it on etch,now it wont be found ,hmm |
| 11:03.58 | adb | apt-cache show sysstat |
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| 11:08.18 | anoHito | E: Couldn't find package iostat |
| 11:08.40 | anoHito | come on, i am on a newer debian 4, it was avaialbe on the older etch though. |
| 11:08.46 | adb | anoHito: read above |
| 11:09.10 | anoHito | my fault, Thank you . adb . |
| 11:09.17 | adb | np |
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| 11:14.08 | J_P | hi all |
| 11:14.58 | Bloed | can i emulate multi-processors in vbox ? |
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| 11:17.53 | J_P | Bloed: try #virtualbox channel |
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| 11:20.06 | J_P | Is possible to do a Slow Down the CPU Speed via some software / GNU/Linux? |
| 11:20.21 | avtobiff | J_P, yes |
| 11:20.23 | fluxdude | anyone know how to make knoppix boot without using a X display? |
| 11:20.36 | avtobiff | fluxdude, the knoppix cheat codes knows. |
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| 11:20.43 | avtobiff | fluxdude, passed as boot arguments |
| 11:20.48 | fluxdude | avtobiff: looked there, cannot find the right param |
| 11:20.56 | enouf | knoppix 2 IIRC |
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| 11:21.27 | enouf | x is runlevel 5 in knoppix iinm |
| 11:21.41 | enouf | and there's only 5 ttys |
| 11:21.45 | avtobiff | fluxdude, yeah. google "boot knoppix without x" -> first hit -> 20th row or so "knoppix 2 Runlevel 2, Textmode only" |
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| 11:22.29 | fluxdude | avtobiff: did that, browsed 5 or 6 cheat code sites, couldn't find it... thx |
| 11:22.30 | Xor1ng | fluxdude: just add the number 2 to the kernel parameters |
| 11:22.48 | avtobiff | fluxdude, also. don't cross post please. |
| 11:23.14 | Xor1ng | fluxdude: at the end |
| 11:23.16 | fluxdude | avtobiff: where is considered cross posting? |
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| 11:23.40 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.46 | avtobiff | fluxdude, posting the same question to both freenode and oftc |
| 11:24.00 | avtobiff | fluxdude, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting |
| 11:24.39 | fluxdude | avtobiff: right, never even used oftc until today, dunno why it is called such, and wasn't aware that people were likely to be in both, I just thought most people hung out at freenode, also, the debian channel is not very lively or helpful so please forgive the cross post |
| 11:25.06 | fluxdude | have ditched it now |
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| 11:25.23 | cahoot | although you got an answer? |
| 11:25.28 | avtobiff | fluxdude, even if people weren't on both networks--don't crosspost :) |
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| 11:25.49 | avtobiff | fluxdude, thanks. :D |
| 11:25.51 | marroso | ciaoooo |
| 11:25.53 | oxi | hi |
| 11:25.59 | oxi | what's the most common place to put non-public files used in cgi or php scripts in debian? |
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| 11:26.21 | oxi | in a default setup, I guess apache/modphp is running under a separate user, right? |
| 11:26.36 | oxi | and that user probably doesn't have write access to anywhere? |
| 11:26.48 | fluxdude | cahoot: i got a don't ask knoppix here answer. |
| 11:27.04 | oxi | I wonder about best practices for this stuff |
| 11:27.10 | fluxdude | yes I saw your answer just before leaving, but I had tried going through th fn menus, looked up cheat code sites etc |
| 11:28.01 | petemc | fluxdude: you must be one of the special people the 'dont ask knoppix questions in #debian' rules dont apply to |
| 11:28.34 | fluxdude | petemc: well the knoppix channel is dead, where else am I supposed to ask since knoppix is a debian? |
| 11:28.37 | enouf | fluxdude: to me; it's more important you just don't ask _at the same time_ in both places .. nothing wrong with posting after sometime |
| 11:28.50 | fluxdude | petemc: that's really not a helpful attitude and quite nit-picky. |
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| 11:29.15 | fluxdude | enouf: ok will not happen again |
| 11:29.18 | themill | asulao: aiui, python packages tend to build both python-2.4 and python-2.5 versions. |
| 11:29.19 | avtobiff | fluxdude, might as well ask in #windows ;) |
| 11:29.21 | enouf | fluxdude: drop it .. this is #debian - i just happened to know - quick answer, simple - so i did |
| 11:29.28 | fluxdude | fluxdude: that other debian channel was a bit slower than here |
| 11:29.33 | avtobiff | fluxdude, or maybe a general gnu/linux channel |
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| 11:30.18 | petemc | fluxdude: im generally not nit picky, i just like arguing with people that complain a lot |
| 11:30.27 | petemc | like you do |
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| 11:30.45 | fluxdude | petemc: i wasn't complaining until you started yapping... |
| 11:30.51 | enouf | fluxdude: and the knoppix 5.1 DVD actually worked, and saved my ass recently - was entirely intuitive - so i don't mind |
| 11:30.51 | abrotman | thinks petemc is complaining about people that complain |
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| 11:31.11 | enouf | fluxdude: the debian installer could learn a lot about it |
| 11:31.14 | enouf | IMHO |
| 11:31.29 | petemc | abrotman: im justifying my complaining about complainers! |
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| 11:31.31 | fluxdude | enouf: oh don't even mention the debian installer, I have wasted all of yesterday to try to get that thing to act sanely |
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| 11:31.57 | fluxdude | i hit several bugs in it, it's really not that easy to automate in the same way you use kickstart |
| 11:32.06 | enouf | fluxdude: i was attempting to use it's rescue capabilities ... sigh - otherwise, as an installer, it works fine in general |
| 11:32.11 | fluxdude | the expert disk is a hack with shell arithmetic etc. |
| 11:32.24 | abrotman | fluxdude: FAI or preseed |
| 11:32.25 | themill | fluxdude: you've still yet to answer my question about why you're trying to remove packages |
| 11:32.28 | fluxdude | enouf: it works better interactively but automating it is a pain compared to kickstart |
| 11:32.38 | abrotman | or dphys |
| 11:33.03 | fluxdude | themill: oh sorry didn't see that, am at work and prone to being distracted, sorry for no response on that, I want to make sure some packages even from standard base do not get installed |
| 11:33.10 | fluxdude | for leanness/security etc |
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| 11:33.22 | fluxdude | and the fact I just don't want extra packages on servers that I know will never need them |
| 11:33.35 | fluxdude | should leave less things that might perhaps require upgrade as well |
| 11:33.38 | enouf | keeps forgetting about the FAI option, preseed is the one i always recall - and systemimager-* or whatever (since removed?) |
| 11:33.56 | themill | fluxdude: just don't install the standard task then? |
| 11:34.00 | fluxdude | perhaps I'm coming at this from the wrong direction and should somehow specify to install nothing and then add pkgs? |
| 11:34.09 | fluxdude | themill: ok will try that. thx |
| 11:34.39 | J_P | avtobiff: DO you know how? what software is capable to do this? |
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| 11:34.48 | fluxdude | abrotman: will look at FAI as well, but it's supposed to take more learning, gotta have a go at it some time. |
| 11:34.53 | J_P | do Slow Down the CPU Speed via software |
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| 11:35.26 | enouf | fluxdude: themill is correct - but i use something like; $ dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | grep -i standard | less |
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| 11:35.29 | abrotman | fluxdude: just giving you options .. FAI is really for automated mass installations |
| 11:35.30 | enouf | erm |
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| 11:35.53 | abrotman | !fai |
| 11:35.53 | dpkg | an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 11:35.55 | fluxdude | abrotman: i know, nice though, I like automation |
| 11:35.57 | enouf | fluxdude: themill is correct - but i use something like; $ dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | egrep -i 'standard|important|required' | sort | less |
| 11:36.29 | avtobiff | !tell J_P about cpufreq |
| 11:36.50 | enouf | cpufreq-utils ? |
| 11:36.57 | avtobiff | J_P, also ask about "power saving" |
| 11:37.01 | tarzeau | debian has it's own way of automated installs using preseeding... |
| 11:37.03 | themill | fluxdude: but you should think very carefully about not installing packages in standard. |
| 11:37.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: i mentioned preseeding too |
| 11:37.22 | J_P | avtobiff: ok, thanks |
| 11:37.23 | themill | enouf, fluxdude: or just "aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant -F%p" (/msg dpkg tasksel) |
| 11:37.26 | tarzeau | fluxdude: also check wiki.debian.org/Enterprise |
| 11:37.34 | enouf | fluxdude: i also concur with themill 's last comment - there are many useful pkgs in standard |
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| 11:37.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: and just for you .. dphys :) |
| 11:37.47 | tarzeau | dphys-config/dphys-admin, true |
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| 11:38.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: we really use the preseeding with a nice postinstall script in preseeding, all at debian.ethz.ch/d-i/ |
| 11:38.12 | enouf | themill: aye - formatted just as tasksel output would show - heh -- tasksel --list--tasks standard |
| 11:38.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: really nice, upgraded 150 machines of 180 |
| 11:38.38 | enouf | themill: i recently was reading how apt-get cannot be used for that, tasksel or aptitude only |
| 11:38.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: i was just commenting on options .. |
| 11:38.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's fine, i also wanted to say stuff |
| 11:38.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: who let you! :) |
| 11:39.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:39.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 11:39.21 | enouf | tarzeau: i like your tricks with the debian installer page .. or is that someone else? |
| 11:39.22 | abrotman | popular != useful .. in all situations |
| 11:39.36 | tarzeau | enouf: d.e.c/d-i/ ? all stuff i put there |
| 11:39.47 | votan | dpkg: fan noise |
| 11:39.47 | dpkg | wish i knew, votan |
| 11:39.53 | votan | adjusting fan speed |
| 11:39.57 | enouf | dpkg: hum |
| 11:39.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: true, that's why so few people install grafx2, opencubicplayer, schism, goattracker and the like :) |
| 11:39.57 | dpkg | enouf: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 11:40.01 | enouf | :-P |
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| 11:40.41 | enouf | tarzeau: it's not you, apologies; http://lackof.org/taggart/hacking/d-i-tricks/ |
| 11:40.50 | enouf | taggart++ |
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| 11:40.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: TBH .. i tried OCP .. not exactly what i'd call useable .. but i think with time it would be okay |
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| 11:42.39 | enouf | judd: versions systemimager-base |
| 11:42.40 | judd | enouf: systemimager-base -- |
| 11:42.51 | enouf | whatever |
| 11:42.59 | tarzeau | !eat enouf |
| 11:42.59 | dpkg | eats enouf, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
| 11:43.05 | J_P | avtobiff: My problem is that I have one cpu (1,5ghz) that are not supporting high temperature in outdoor environment. And I have one cpu (1ghz) that support fine. So I would like speed down that (are many) 1,5ghz to 1ghz to works fine like as the real 1ghz, understand? |
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| 11:43.13 | enouf | nomnomnom ;-) |
| 11:43.51 | enouf | J_P: reading /Documentation/cpu*/* will surely help your understanding |
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| 11:44.24 | J_P | enouf: ok |
| 11:44.33 | enouf | (that's a reference to the kernel source /Documentation/) |
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| 11:45.02 | enouf | !ondemand |
| 11:45.06 | enouf | heh |
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| 11:45.22 | J_P | enouf: ok, thanks :-) I will read, I only explain to see if is possible to do what I want. |
| 11:45.57 | enouf | J_P: sure is - so long as your BIOS supports speed-step or whatever newer Intel's call it- debian kernels have that enabled |
| 11:46.26 | J_P | enouf: wow! great! |
| 11:46.47 | enouf | ~$ grep SPEEDSTEP /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 11:47.05 | enouf | seems most are modules, which is ok |
| 11:47.36 | J_P | enouf: yes show here. a line: CONFIG_X86_SPEEDSTEP_CENTRINO=y |
| 11:47.38 | J_P | :-) |
| 11:47.59 | themill | judd kconfig SPEEDSTEP --release lenny |
| 11:48.01 | judd | themill: Searching for 'SPEEDSTEP' in lenny kernel config gives X86_SPEEDSTEP_CENTRINO=m X86_SPEEDSTEP_CENTRINO_TABLE=y X86_SPEEDSTEP_ICH=m X86_SPEEDSTEP_SMI=m X86_SPEEDSTEP_LIB=m X86_SPEEDSTEP_RELAXED_CAP_CHECK=y. |
| 11:48.31 | themill | offers enouf a new kernel (2.6.26-2-686 is current) |
| 11:49.15 | J_P | but that support any kind of processor (dual core too) or only centrino? |
| 11:49.23 | enouf | indeed - i recall that being required on older intel cpus ... let's see here - check out perhaps; http://www.castalie.org/Linux/C610-ACPI.html (just to get an idea) might be old info though, be careful |
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| 11:50.03 | enouf | themill: i did that for lenny users - my uname -r == 2.6.28-1-686 |
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| 11:50.25 | themill | enouf: right... and 2.6.26-2-686 is the current kernel in lenny. |
| 11:50.29 | enouf | themill: in time, i'll install the sid .29 |
| 11:50.34 | themill | judd kernels |
| 11:50.36 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.29-trunk-686 (2.6.29-1~experimental.2~snapshot.13314); sid: 2.6.29-2-686 (2.6.29-5); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 11:50.43 | enouf | man this sucksthat the NumPad is not working at all .. ugh |
| 11:51.13 | sebjames | Hi folks, I am having trouble with Xaccess in gdm on Lenny since I upgraded from Debian Etch. |
| 11:51.21 | enouf | themill: i doubt much has changed between .26-1 and -2 |
| 11:51.22 | J_P | enouf: but that support any kind of processor (dual core, amd, etc) or only centrino? |
| 11:51.49 | enouf | J_P: different config options is all - almost all Intel's are supported |
| 11:51.54 | themill | enouf: correct. Just an ABI change for some fix or other. |
| 11:52.00 | J_P | enouf: good |
| 11:52.15 | enouf | J_P: the Intel Atom might be an issue or something - i;m no expert on it |
| 11:52.21 | J_P | enouf: I will do a test with a dual core here :-) |
| 11:52.30 | enouf | core2duo == cake |
| 11:52.35 | J_P | cake? |
| 11:52.45 | enouf | piece of ... |
| 11:53.54 | J_P | enouf: well, if works with dualcore will works with core 2 duo and quad too.. :-) |
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| 11:55.29 | denysonique | Hi |
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| 11:56.01 | seniorake | instead of pressing <tab>, is there a command which lists all available executables within a shell? |
| 11:56.21 | denysonique | After removing and installing Twinkle again the program has an ugly Qt theme. Before it had a simillar one to gtk. |
| 11:56.32 | enouf | In irssi - are there default keybinding to switch channels/windows?? Right now i'm using nonsense like /WINDOW GOTO N (where N is window #) |
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| 11:56.56 | denysonique | enouf: meta 1-0 |
| 11:57.08 | denysonique | enouf: meta 0-9 |
| 11:57.15 | enouf | and my keyboard is all messed it seems ... but still - generally works .. except for very annoying non-working down-arrow and no NumPad keys work |
| 11:57.15 | denysonique | meta usually is alt |
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| 11:57.40 | enouf | denysonique: bingo - thanks |
| 11:57.48 | denysonique | enouf: I use /win 1 etc... |
| 11:58.05 | enouf | denysonique: i think i tried that - but with the Numpad, which i forgot/forget was not working |
| 11:58.23 | enouf | denysonique: alt+N is fine and fast - thanks again |
| 11:58.25 | denysonique | use the upper row |
| 11:58.34 | denysonique | don't use the numpad |
| 11:58.40 | enouf | i _have_ to .. i never have though in the past |
| 11:59.08 | Trewas | it's nice that alt-number has become somewhat of a standard for changing tabs, they also work in firefox and gnome-terminal |
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| 11:59.24 | enouf | i like the NumPad - that's one main reason i think Craptops suck - i cannot work with their keyboard layout efficiently - and that Trackpad shit freaks me out |
| 11:59.37 | denysonique | I have used even Vimperator but I never knew of alt-num in FF |
| 11:59.42 | denysonique | ff* |
| 11:59.46 | denysonique | firefox |
| 12:00.03 | enouf | well - i'm using Openbox which seems to have it's own definition of keybindings |
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| 12:00.25 | unomi | alt+num works in finch as well |
| 12:00.49 | unomi | which is actually one of the handiest places |
| 12:01.08 | OpenTokix | unomi: nice |
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| 12:01.24 | Audi-Addict | Anybody have any experience with sudoers? |
| 12:01.33 | OpenTokix | Audi-Addict: somewhat |
| 12:01.41 | Audi-Addict | I'm trying to get a bash script |
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| 12:01.50 | Audi-Addict | to run under a root account |
| 12:01.57 | bolt-work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:01.58 | enouf | denysonique: btw, do you know how in irssi i can enbale colorized nicks? just general random colors per nick ... |
| 12:02.10 | Audi-Addict | and being executed by our monitoring server (zabbix) |
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| 12:02.19 | bolt-work | brilliant |
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| 12:03.17 | enouf | it seems whatever _dock_ openbox is supposed to use, i'm missing it - and it's annoying - i have no panel/kicker/systray/taskbar thingy at all |
| 12:03.28 | denysonique | enouf: there are some scripts for this |
| 12:03.32 | Audi-Addict | OpenTokix: this is my bash script : echo $1 $2 $3 $4 | /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/gammu --sendsms TEXT mynrhere |
| 12:03.45 | enouf | you minimize a window ... and it disappears ... |
| 12:04.21 | enouf | denysonique: i will check 0- i have looked through much of the standard docs in /usr/share/{irssi}/doc/irssi .. etc |
| 12:04.46 | OpenTokix | Audi-Addict: Why don't you give the user rights to use gammu for the correct device instead? |
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| 12:06.23 | denysonique | enouf: just google for it |
| 12:06.29 | enouf | aye |
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| 12:11.17 | abrotman | enouf: if it's like blackbox, it doesn't "dock" |
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| 12:14.17 | Audi-Addict | OpenTokix: I don't understanD? |
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| 12:14.40 | Audi-Addict | OpenTokix: The user is (zabbix) which is unable to login, this user just runs the zabbix pids |
| 12:14.46 | Audi-Addict | Zabbix is my monitoring server |
| 12:15.04 | Audi-Addict | it executes this bash file and I added sudoers to run the file as root |
| 12:15.05 | ingw3 | hello...how do i make debian "act as router" in centos i had this option in webmin but not in debian... :( |
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| 12:15.36 | abrotman | !tell ingw3 about ipmasq |
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| 12:15.48 | abrotman | ingw3: unless you need a more complicated setup |
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| 12:16.44 | blackbeard2000 | Hi. what is your favorite CD-burning-program? k3b seems to be nice... but needs a lot of KDE-stuff... Is there a good one which doesnt need so much KDE or Gnome-related things? |
| 12:17.16 | enouf | ok, i found this nice script; http://scripts.irssi.org/scripts/nickcolor.pl but it seems to imply it requires a ~/.irssi/saved_colors file - i can't find any info about that in the irssi docs .. and, i'm not sure should i merge this nickcolor.pl with ~/.irssi/config ? |
| 12:17.43 | enouf | is there an #irssi ? |
| 12:17.53 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:18.00 | ingw3 | abrotman: thanks |
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| 12:18.08 | enouf | guess so |
| 12:18.13 | enouf | just joined :-P |
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| 12:20.27 | ShredZ | I need php5-dev on sarge (for php 5.0.5), anyone got any advice except to upgrade debian ? |
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| 12:21.29 | abrotman | upgrade debian ? |
| 12:21.57 | abrotman | ShredZ: you could try to backport it |
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| 12:22.31 | nkuttler | ShredZ: sarge doesn't get security updates any more, does it? |
| 12:22.43 | enouf | no |
| 12:22.50 | enouf | only etch |
| 12:22.58 | ShredZ | nkuttler, I know I know, but I can't just upgrade the thing as it is running some live production environment |
| 12:22.58 | enouf | (oldstable) |
| 12:23.00 | abrotman | nkuttler: hasn't for around a year |
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| 12:23.13 | nkuttler | ShredZ: even more reason to upgrade |
| 12:23.13 | abrotman | ShredZ: you can upgrade it .. |
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| 12:23.38 | nkuttler | ShredZ: clone box, perform upgrade.. get paid extra |
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| 12:24.26 | enouf | clone box, s/perform upgrade/perform backport atttempts/.. get paid extra |
| 12:24.39 | nkuttler | but that's tedious :) |
| 12:24.50 | enouf | bonus! |
| 12:25.04 | enouf | like AIG management! |
| 12:25.05 | nkuttler | needs a new business model |
| 12:25.12 | ShredZ | I am under "quick and dirty" management :( |
| 12:25.26 | enouf | don't take it out on us :-P |
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| 12:25.50 | cemunal | hi all |
| 12:25.52 | cemunal | i installed amarok2 on xfce4 but it can't play any sound and i can't see shoutcast radios; how can i fix these? |
| 12:26.00 | mosno | ShredZ: consider yourself lucky, mgmt here are slow and dirty |
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| 12:27.31 | abrotman | ShredZ: do they realize the system is insecure? |
| 12:27.58 | ShredZ | abrotman, they don't care |
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| 12:28.06 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 12:29.42 | enouf | themill: FWIW, my kde4 comments from earlier stand - however, i was looking at how to get 3.5.9-10 back so i could use konqout (because of saved mail (konqout) profiles i recently generated, concerns $$ too) and found that via removing all of kde-full, yet having installed konqout (and konsole - perhaps system settings and klipper, if i get to it) that it actually is there/available and works - the whole full kde4 thing DE really freaked me ou |
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| 12:29.52 | enouf | did that get truncated? |
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| 12:30.26 | almost | liable: you have been here as long as I can rememer how are things downunder? |
| 12:30.48 | bolt | enouf: yep |
| 12:30.52 | enouf | liable: did you ever answer my systemsettings msg and question as to if ever received? |
| 12:31.04 | enouf | liable: been busy and offline at times |
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| 12:31.28 | enouf | bolt: where at? |
| 12:31.50 | bolt | enouf: "really freaked me o" |
| 12:31.58 | almost | need some help if i type loop-aes-source into apt do i need more info |
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| 12:32.26 | bolt | almost: huh? |
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| 12:34.08 | almost | bolt; i am following a not so good howto i am not so good it says loop-aes-ciphers-source, loop-aes-source,loop-aes-utils |
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| 12:34.53 | shambat | can someone help me with my apache config? I have my only site-enabled config file set to a particular index.php, and this works if explicitly typed in the address bar...however, if I simply type my hostname, the default "It works!" appears, as placed in /var/www .... I don't understand this |
| 12:36.13 | abrotman | shambat: there is a default redirect .. |
| 12:36.50 | anoHito | i cannot figure out how do i import a bbs.gz mysql backup in command line. |
| 12:36.56 | RaymondX | that's the index.html in var/www |
| 12:37.02 | shambat | abrotman: where can I alter this? |
| 12:37.34 | abrotman | shambat: IIRC it's in the /etc/apache2/sites-available/default .. do you want me to go find it? |
| 12:37.46 | Audi-Addict | Sudoers can be used like RUNAS in windows right? |
| 12:37.49 | RaymondX | sudo nano /var/www/index.html |
| 12:37.49 | jon- | after runnin a dist-upgrade on lenny, apparently kde3 has been replaced with 4. in my case, kde doesnt evnen seem to start anymore (using startkde), i have a plain grey X background and no widgets or whatever... |
| 12:37.54 | valdyn | shambat: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 12:38.00 | Audi-Addict | Shouldn't it also use the /home & settings from this user when running a file using sudoers? |
| 12:38.24 | valdyn | Audi-Addict: that would be fucked up |
| 12:38.32 | abrotman | RaymondX: and what will that do? |
| 12:38.32 | valdyn | Audi-Addict: and it would be fucked up in windows too |
| 12:38.46 | omid8bimo | hey, how i can have my own pastebin like on my server? |
| 12:38.59 | shambat | abrotman: default is not enabled though |
| 12:39.06 | abrotman | omid8bimo: download the source and put it up |
| 12:39.09 | abrotman | shambat: hold on |
| 12:39.11 | Audi-Addict | valdyn: I'm trying to run a bin bash script being started from a different user in debian |
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| 12:39.18 | RaymondX | go study webdesigning and then edit the index.html |
| 12:39.22 | Audi-Addict | valdyn: but the program complains that it's missing it's config file |
| 12:39.25 | SRabbelier | I have the network manager app installed but I don't see it under "add to panel", what could be wrong/ |
| 12:39.26 | blackbeard2000 | omid8bimo: i asked that myself yesterday. if you find a solution, please /msg me |
| 12:39.26 | abrotman | RaymondX: that's not what he's asking |
| 12:39.30 | omid8bimo | abrotman: i know but what the pkg name or server name? like for web server is apache |
| 12:39.40 | Audi-Addict | valdyn: when running the program from the root shell it works fine and it doesn't miss the config file |
| 12:39.41 | abrotman | omid8bimo: i'm not aware of any packaged in debian |
| 12:39.42 | jon- | Audi-Addict: use absolte paths in scripts |
| 12:39.47 | omid8bimo | blackbeard2000: sure dude |
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| 12:40.04 | abrotman | shambat: did you restart apache after disabling it? |
| 12:40.07 | shambat | RaymondX: I have a finished site that I want to place somewhere other than /var/www |
| 12:40.11 | Audi-Addict | Jon The program IS executed, it just complains about a missing config file |
| 12:40.26 | Audi-Addict | Jon which it should find by itself (gammu) |
| 12:40.33 | shambat | abrotman: yeah |
| 12:40.33 | valdyn | Audi-Addict: give the script and actual commands, not the theoretical stuff |
| 12:40.33 | ringo999 | i'm trying to change the owner of a file my user owns, but i get a permission denied error? |
| 12:40.36 | ringo999 | should i be able to change the owner if i own the file without super user rights? |
| 12:40.37 | jon- | mh yeah it was just a guess |
| 12:40.40 | RaymondX | delete index.html so that it will default to index.php |
| 12:40.58 | Audi-Addict | valdyn: ok, let me put it in pastebin |
| 12:41.01 | valdyn | ringo999: users cannot chown |
| 12:41.32 | abrotman | shambat: is this a public site? |
| 12:41.45 | shambat | RaymondX: but there should be a way to just set the default to index.php, which I thought was the DirectoryIndex variable |
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| 12:42.03 | valdyn | shambat: the default site is not even in the same directory iirc |
| 12:42.20 | abrotman | shambat: there is .. you can put index.php before index.html on that line in the dir.conf in /etc/apache2/mods-available/dir.conf |
| 12:42.23 | Audi-Addict | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m4b2a694 |
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| 12:42.39 | abrotman | DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml index.htm .. is the default |
| 12:42.45 | Audi-Addict | quick hint which might be a problem, the zabbix user cannot be used to login on shell |
| 12:42.48 | sylarrr | newsflash: P5Q mobo can boot fine without a graphics card ! |
| 12:42.58 | blackbeard2000 | is there a "simulate"-option to dpkg -i... I dont see it |
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| 12:43.38 | ingw3 | hello. I had server with centos and not i installed with debian. i made exact same configuration on openvpn but problem is that then i connect to openvpn i cant access network. i have no firewall rulles and tryed to install ipmasq. in centos webmin i had mark act as router but i miss this function in debian webmin and ipmasq dosnt help. any idea? |
| 12:43.39 | jon- | blackbeard2000: yeah there is :) --simulate / --dry-run |
| 12:43.45 | shambat | abrotman: so they appear in that order? |
| 12:43.53 | omid8bimo | blackbeard2000: abrotman: i think this could help http://webscripts.softpedia.com/script/Content-Management/Pastebin-20703.html |
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| 12:44.14 | shambat | this is exceedingly strange ... why would it go to /var/www in the first place? |
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| 12:44.21 | blackbeard2000 | jon-: thx. /me seems to be blind |
| 12:44.26 | ingw3 | i mean in centos it worked but cant get in debian |
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| 12:44.47 | RaymondX | another doc root besides var/www? why didnt i think of that? lol |
| 12:45.29 | blackbeard2000 | omid8bimo: thx |
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| 12:45.51 | SRabbelier | ok nvm, it is there, just not the wireless part, would that be because I only have eth0 and lo in my /etc/network/interfaces/ |
| 12:45.54 | SRabbelier | ? |
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| 12:46.27 | Audi-Addict | valdyn: did u see my pastebin? |
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| 12:49.21 | RaymondX | do you change it in apache.conf? |
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| 12:49.41 | jon- | RaymondX: the document root ? |
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| 12:50.10 | RaymondX | yes? |
| 12:50.27 | sylarrr | how do I make a service not run? |
| 12:50.32 | jon- | RaymondX: the page youre seeing at the moment should be the only installed, default vhost |
| 12:50.33 | sylarrr | I mean at boot |
| 12:50.42 | jon- | edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default or something like that |
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| 12:51.02 | mooperd | Hi, Im having a bit of a problem getting exim to work with spam assassin. Email headers contain this line :-X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on daisy.moonet.co.uk); Unknown failure and in exim4/mainlog |
| 12:51.03 | mooperd | v |
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| 12:51.57 | g00se_ | sylarr: sysv-rc-conf |
| 12:52.02 | shambat | jon-: I disabled that config, and replaced it with my own that points somewhere else...my default still goes to index.html in /var/www though...I want to know why |
| 12:52.03 | mooperd | syslog - May 19 01:20:01 daisy spamc[29537]: connect to spamd on 127.0.0.1 failed, retrying (#1 of 3): Connection refused |
| 12:52.34 | abrotman | shambat: do you specify the DocumentRoot anywhere in your config ? |
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| 12:53.15 | shambat | abrotman: yeah, point to the correct dir |
| 12:53.35 | sebjames | Does anyone else out there find that Gnome in Lenny is "slower" in an XDMCP session than Etch? I particularly find evolution to be less responsive than it used to be. |
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| 12:53.46 | SerajewelKS | shambat: uhm, did you tell apache about your changes? |
| 12:53.56 | SerajewelKS | shambat: /etc/init.d/apache graceful |
| 12:54.00 | shambat | SerajewelKS: what do you mean? |
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| 12:54.13 | jon- | reload it |
| 12:54.23 | SerajewelKS | shambat: apache doesn't magically pick up changes unless it's an .htaccess file. you have to tell apache you changed the config. |
| 12:54.45 | jon- | hope that wasnt the issue ;) |
| 12:54.48 | shambat | I thought a restart was sufficient |
| 12:54.56 | jon- | reload is sufficient |
| 12:55.04 | SerajewelKS | shambat: reload, graceful, and restart should all work |
| 12:55.08 | SerajewelKS | (i tend to prefer graceful) |
| 12:55.13 | RaymondX | when i installed torrentflux...it went to usr/lib instead of the default var/www so i had to copy it....would uninstalling it mess things up? |
| 12:55.13 | valdyn | Audi-Addict: gammu is giving that error message no matter what |
| 12:55.17 | SerajewelKS | anyway if you did restart then it should have noticed |
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| 12:55.44 | SerajewelKS | shambat: can you pastebin all your configs? |
| 12:55.48 | valdyn | Audi-Addict: only if i specify -c <config_file>, then its complaining that my config file is bad, which is what i would expect |
| 12:55.50 | shambat | SerajewelKS: restart or reload do not work...graceful doesnt seem to work at all |
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| 12:57.05 | omid8bimo | installing my own pastebin :) |
| 12:57.08 | omid8bimo | http://blog.dixo.net/2006/04/23/pastebin-v040-released/ |
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| 12:57.37 | shambat | SerajewelKS: http://pastebin.com/m3b2548bc |
| 12:57.48 | shambat | that is the only enabled config |
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| 12:58.17 | valdyn | Audi-Addict: ok, i got it, gammu is finding the users $HOME |
| 12:58.26 | enouf | dpkg how are you? |
| 12:58.26 | dpkg | enouf: pretty good. how about you? |
| 12:58.32 | valdyn | Audi-Addict: just fix it by using -c for instance |
| 12:58.42 | SerajewelKS | shambat: so this is the only file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled? |
| 12:59.01 | shambat | yeah |
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| 12:59.13 | abrotman | shambat: did you change the ports.conf at all ? |
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| 12:59.23 | SerajewelKS | shambat: and you're dead certain that you restarted/reloaded apache? |
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| 12:59.50 | shambat | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 12:59.59 | SerajewelKS | shambat: huh. ask #apache? :) |
| 13:00.03 | shambat | abrotman: yeah, it has NameVirtualHost * and Listen 80 |
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| 13:01.02 | shambat | SerajewelKS: thougt about it, but they tend to get frustrated with teh debian idiosyncracies :) |
| 13:01.03 | SerajewelKS | shambat: and are you sure that what's in your new root isn't the same as what's in /var/www? |
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| 13:01.10 | abrotman | shambat: i asked if you changed it from what it was |
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| 13:01.14 | blackbeard2001 | scusi |
| 13:01.14 | valdyn | Audi-Addict: or look up the -H option of sudo |
| 13:01.16 | Audi-Addict | valdyn: I've tried setting the config file to /etc/.gammurc with the -f -c option |
| 13:01.21 | blackbeard2001 | anything i can use instead dpkg -i? to simulate a direct install of a .deb which is not in the reps? |
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| 13:01.36 | abrotman | blackbeard2001: dpkg has a simulation option |
| 13:01.39 | valdyn | Audi-Addict: dot files at /etc is wrong |
| 13:01.42 | Audi-Addict | valdyn: should I not use the sudoers option specificied in my script? |
| 13:01.50 | valdyn | Audi-Addict: its fine |
| 13:01.52 | SerajewelKS | blackbeard2001: dpkg -i --dry-run some.deb |
| 13:01.55 | shambat | abrotman: it was originally 8080, but I changed that...I wasnt the one to set up the box in its previous state |
| 13:02.02 | blackbeard2001 | abrotman: ? i REALLY dont see it... which, please? |
| 13:02.05 | valdyn | Audi-Addict: use -c /root/.gammurc or wherever your config file is |
| 13:02.19 | valdyn | Audi-Addict: or use sudo -H |
| 13:02.23 | SerajewelKS | blackbeard2001: --dry-run, --no-act, and --simulate will all pretend to install it |
| 13:02.28 | blackbeard2001 | neither dpkg --help nor man dpkg lists --dry-run |
| 13:02.31 | Audi-Addict | valdyn: gammu-config -c /root/.gammurc |
| 13:02.33 | Audi-Addict | you mean? |
| 13:02.38 | SerajewelKS | blackbeard2001: man dpkg sure does list --dry-run |
| 13:02.40 | jon_ | blackbeard2001: they do |
| 13:02.50 | SerajewelKS | blackbeard2001: you're just not looking hard enough |
| 13:02.51 | valdyn | Audi-Addict: gammu -c /root/.gammurc |
| 13:02.53 | blackbeard2001 | argh... i look again |
| 13:03.09 | abrotman | blackbeard2001: it does show them |
| 13:03.17 | jon_ | dpkg --help | grep dry ;) |
| 13:03.17 | dpkg | jon_: no idea |
| 13:03.35 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: you fail |
| 13:03.35 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 13:03.37 | abrotman | yes .. that works if you know what it's called :) |
| 13:03.41 | jon_ | lol |
| 13:03.43 | abrotman | blackbeard2001: it's in the Options section |
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| 13:04.08 | Audi-Addict | valdyn: it's gammu-config -c , gammu -c doesn't work |
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| 13:04.29 | valdyn | Audi-Addict: works for me, im using debians gammu |
| 13:04.34 | Audi-Addict | valdyn: I can specify the config file with this option, but am I not then placing the config file in the root of my home? making it impossible for my other user to read it? |
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| 13:04.43 | blackbeard2001 | argh... i see it.. sorry |
| 13:04.51 | Clusty | hey |
| 13:04.52 | valdyn | Audi-Addict: place it wherever you want |
| 13:05.10 | Audi-Addict | valdyn: can you copy and paste the exact command to specify your config file? |
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| 13:05.26 | Audi-Addict | valdyn: just to be safe? i used apt-get install gammu so probably the same version? |
| 13:05.28 | valdyn | Audi-Addict: gammuc -c /root/.gammurc |
| 13:05.35 | Clusty | i am trying to setup a VPN server on my server and was wondering if you guys could recommend one |
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| 13:05.51 | valdyn | Audi-Addict: gammu -c /root/.gammurc |
| 13:05.51 | RaymondX | Shambat: what's good about symfony? |
| 13:05.57 | Clusty | do not know where to start, else than googleing for vpn linux server :D |
| 13:06.16 | Audi-Addict | Bad option! |
| 13:06.20 | Audi-Addict | it says |
| 13:06.21 | Audi-Addict | hehe |
| 13:06.36 | Audi-Addict | Clusty: wikipedia & openvpn |
| 13:06.48 | abrotman | Clusty: i think there are only two major ones these days |
| 13:07.07 | Clusty | i saw something about openswan? |
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| 13:07.48 | shambat | RaymondX: I like that it handles a lot of database stuff automagically, and also help with MVC |
| 13:08.07 | Audi-Addict | valdyn: I managed to set it up with gammu-config -c /home/zabbix/.gammurc |
| 13:08.11 | Clusty | i basically want to benefit from the ssh compression without having to forward every single possible port |
| 13:08.42 | Clusty | abrotman: could you please give me their names? |
| 13:08.57 | Audi-Addict | valdyn: it saved the file there aswel, the only downside is, that I think this specific config setup is specified for running gammu under root and not under user zabbix |
| 13:09.06 | SerajewelKS | Clusty: openvpn is pretty nice if you don't mind dicking around with ssl certificates |
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| 13:09.12 | abrotman | Clusty: they were both mentioned just now |
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| 13:09.36 | abrotman | they do slightly different thigns .. |
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| 13:10.22 | Clusty | thanks a bunch guys |
| 13:10.30 | votan | Clusty: |
| 13:10.34 | votan | try ssh -D |
| 13:10.45 | votan | if all you need is socks5 |
| 13:10.47 | SerajewelKS | Clusty: in a nutshell: openvpn encapsulates packets in encrypted UDP packets. openswan is an IPsec service. |
| 13:10.56 | blackbeard2001 | LOL... man dpkg... "BUGS: --no-act usually gives less information than might be helpful".... definitly YES! no -vvvvv or such? |
| 13:11.22 | SerajewelKS | Clusty: openvpn is, in my experience, much more compatible with existing network hardware. it is also a pain to configure for use by more than one client. |
| 13:11.30 | SerajewelKS | Clusty: i have not used openswan so i have no comments there |
| 13:11.37 | Clusty | SerajewelKS: do they both do transparent compression? |
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| 13:11.52 | Clusty | what about compatibility with windows and mac |
| 13:11.56 | abrotman | blackbeard2001: aptitude -vvvvv moo |
| 13:12.05 | Clusty | i occasionally have to connect from windoze and we got 2 macsters :D |
| 13:12.06 | SerajewelKS | Clusty: i believe openvpn can be configured to do so, but since it does it per-packet, the gains would probably be negligible anyway. |
| 13:12.21 | blackbeard2001 | abrotman: without the pakage in the reps? |
| 13:12.23 | SerajewelKS | Clusty: there are windows clients for sure (i use one). dunno about mac but i would guess there are. |
| 13:12.35 | abrotman | blackbeard2001: it's a joke .. just try it |
| 13:12.48 | SerajewelKS | Clusty: since openvpn transmits packet-by-packet, not a data stream, compression is not that useful |
| 13:13.21 | SerajewelKS | Clusty: but it does support compression if you really want it |
| 13:13.31 | Clusty | SerajewelKS: i meant if they both implement some standard format. will look into them |
| 13:13.38 | votan | Clusty: what will you be needing the vpn for exactly |
| 13:13.46 | SerajewelKS | Clusty: standard format for what? |
| 13:14.11 | blackbeard2001 | how will you get ipsec and openvpn be standarized ogether? |
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| 13:14.28 | SerajewelKS | Clusty: if you mean payloads, openswan looks like standard IPsec. openvpn uses its own protocol, but since there are clients for many platforms this doesn't really matter. |
| 13:14.32 | blackbeard2001 | its working totally different imo |
| 13:14.40 | SerajewelKS | blackbeard2001: nobody is suggesting that |
| 13:14.41 | Clusty | votan: 2 things: one 1 PC is exposed from net. I want to connect to other PCs without resetting all forwards by hand |
| 13:15.02 | blackbeard2001 | saw just half of the discussion ;) |
| 13:15.05 | Audi-Addict | valdyn: Bad news.. just tested the new changes |
| 13:15.09 | Audi-Addict | valdyn: Warning: Configuration could not be parsed! |
| 13:15.11 | Audi-Addict | Warning: No configuration read, using builtin defaults! |
| 13:15.16 | Clusty | votan: if I get compression, i also would squeeze a bit more from the already shitty connection |
| 13:15.26 | SRabbelier | Is Debian 5.0 expected to ship with 2.6.27 anytime soon? |
| 13:15.33 | SerajewelKS | Clusty: setting up openvpn may be the way to go then. it's a PITA to set up but once you get that part done it makes connections a breeze. |
| 13:15.41 | votan | Clusty: and you will need to transfer a lot of files or actually run programs |
| 13:15.44 | Clusty | votan: noticed that ssh with/without compression improved the "feel" |
| 13:15.46 | votan | browse shares |
| 13:15.51 | SerajewelKS | Clusty: you spend a shitload of energy setting it up but after that it's pretty much no maintenance |
| 13:16.02 | Clusty | votan: access progs/PCs mostly |
| 13:16.16 | Clusty | i am happy with scp for files |
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| 13:16.37 | blackbeard2001 | from my experience setting up openvpn is quite easy... compared to ipsec with NAT-routers/road-warriors and such |
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| 13:16.47 | SerajewelKS | blackbeard2001: for multiple clients? |
| 13:16.49 | Clusty | SerajewelKS: yeah i image. its also something i never touched on and me being a linux enthusiast... :D |
| 13:16.57 | blackbeard2001 | yea |
| 13:17.04 | SerajewelKS | blackbeard2001: anything that requires ssl certificates is a pain in the ass by definition |
| 13:17.10 | votan | what kind of cryptographic algorithms does the standard ssh configuration employ |
| 13:17.21 | SerajewelKS | votan: kick-ass ones |
| 13:17.27 | votan | is it the client or the server that decides the algorithm |
| 13:17.33 | Clusty | votan: isn't RSA |
| 13:17.36 | Clusty | ? |
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| 13:17.36 | votan | both can set a preferred one |
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| 13:17.45 | Clusty | depends on key you generate? |
| 13:17.53 | votan | the rsa is only used for identification |
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| 13:17.58 | Clusty | true |
| 13:18.00 | Clusty | silly me |
| 13:18.01 | Clusty | :D |
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| 13:18.06 | votan | heh |
| 13:18.11 | votan | i know theres a bunch you can choose from |
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| 13:18.40 | Clusty | you mean the rsa/dsa/blowfishes ? |
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| 13:18.43 | blackbeard2001 | if all goes wrong first try IPcop+Zerina for an openvon-server |
| 13:18.45 | votan | right |
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| 13:21.00 | sylarrr | I am trying to run debian-live from usb, and it doesn't boot, it is stuck at a 'SYSLINUX 3.71 Debian-2008-09-06...." line |
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| 13:21.47 | enouf | say more please |
| 13:21.53 | Clusty | just a general remark: seems having an OS which is not as "preety" has it perks. you collect way more knowledgeable people than let's say ubuntu :D |
| 13:21.57 | enouf | NICE |
| 13:22.06 | Clusty | there the average question is how do I mount a disk :D |
| 13:22.11 | enouf | COLORIZED NICKS! finally! |
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| 13:22.47 | adb | sylarrr: ask in #debian-live on oftc |
| 13:22.56 | enouf | yes |
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| 13:23.18 | sylarrr | k |
| 13:23.21 | kanon-mat | can i have colored nicks in xchat? :) |
| 13:23.58 | adb | it's default |
| 13:24.43 | blackbeard2001 | Clusty: yes the knowledgeable-est ppl are still in the vax-community ;) |
| 13:24.45 | mooperd | how do I create new imap folders? my mail is stored in /var/mail and Im using dovecot |
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| 13:25.23 | petemc | mooperd: its most often done with a mail client, but mkdir should work |
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| 13:25.45 | kanon-mat | all nicks have the same colour :( |
| 13:25.47 | petemc | theres also a maildirmake command, think thats a courier thing tho |
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| 13:26.11 | Clusty | blackbeard2001: true that :D |
| 13:26.27 | valdyn | mooperd: mua can create new imap folders |
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| 13:27.44 | creature_ | why does everything have to have such a crappy performance under linux |
| 13:28.05 | almost | I have a command make-kpkg modules_image the module is loop-aes what would be the actual command line entry |
| 13:28.06 | petemc | you'll find it doesnt |
| 13:28.08 | valdyn | creature_: why does everyone have to ask such generalising quesetions? |
| 13:28.28 | creature_ | having a video conference in skype and the CPU is 100% and mouse is lagging |
| 13:28.28 | blackbeard2001 | Clusty: maybe we should fork debian to "a-really-ugly-OS"... default for console is black letters on a black background... you should know, what u are typing.... LOL... but this gets OT |
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| 13:29.06 | valdyn | creature_: the skype linux port is a piece of shit, which is unmaintained and old |
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| 13:29.15 | Clusty | blackbeard2001: no disrespect intended. :D |
| 13:29.19 | valdyn | creature_: complain to the vendor |
| 13:29.23 | Clusty | valdyn: and hogs tons of CPU |
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| 13:29.24 | creature_ | valdyn: amen! |
| 13:29.27 | rapha | Hi |
| 13:29.43 | creature_ | piece of shit is an accurate description i think |
| 13:30.01 | rapha | Is there a way to install tomcat5 without pulling in all sorts of X libraries and the kitchen sink? |
| 13:30.23 | sylarrr | There is a problem with openais, version 0.83 which is what standard is not a stable version, stable version is 0.80.3 |
| 13:30.36 | almost | liable: only pizza today no beer |
| 13:30.44 | sylarrr | who should I tell about it? |
| 13:30.58 | enouf | how friggin nice ! i have colorozed nicks in irssi! anyone interested? (btw - an #irssi denizen helped me) |
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| 13:31.06 | SerajewelKS | rapha: probably not, since the JRE is distributed as one big monolithic package, and provides crap like AWT and Swing |
| 13:31.14 | rapha | I see :-/ |
| 13:31.15 | valdyn | i thought thats default in irssi |
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| 13:31.26 | enouf | valdyn: bwahahaha |
| 13:31.27 | valdyn | guess its a while ago that i configured it |
| 13:31.38 | rapha | SerajewelKS: the curious thing tho is that the stuff gets pulled in by tomcat, not the jre |
| 13:31.42 | SerajewelKS | rapha: which is one of the reasons the mono packages are nice... though some people complain that it's micropackaged, it allows you to get just the pieces you need. |
| 13:31.59 | SerajewelKS | rapha: actually no, not directly |
| 13:32.03 | rapha | SerajewelKS: wouldnt have a problem with that... just need tomcat, not mono ;) |
| 13:32.06 | rapha | oic |
| 13:32.09 | valdyn | enouf: oh, /load nickcolor.pl |
| 13:32.11 | SerajewelKS | rapha: tomcat depends on the JRE, which depends on X, etc |
| 13:32.12 | module000 | SerajewelKS: it's not the micropackaging that people complain about in regard to mono :P |
| 13:32.18 | rapha | SerajewelKS: but I already have the JRE installed |
| 13:32.23 | neo2k_ | Hey, i'm trying to get a perl cgi script to run on an apache2 server running debian 5, however the script won't execute, it just shows the script in a browser |
| 13:32.26 | valdyn | enouf: that was hard =/ |
| 13:32.29 | rapha | SerajewelKS: and it didnt pull in GTK and all that crap |
| 13:32.32 | SerajewelKS | module000: if you mean that people don't complain about it, then no, you're wrong |
| 13:32.46 | SerajewelKS | module000: if you mean that you or other people also complain about other things, then yes |
| 13:33.01 | SerajewelKS | module000: nice attempt to subvert the conversation though, kudos |
| 13:33.11 | SerajewelKS | rapha: ahh, GTK is not X :) |
| 13:33.16 | Audi-Addict | Can somebody confirm that if I give a file chmod 777 |
| 13:33.21 | Audi-Addict | and chown root:zabbix |
| 13:33.25 | Audi-Addict | that the user zabbix can execute |
| 13:33.28 | Audi-Addict | and run/read this file? |
| 13:33.43 | Audi-Addict | I just want to be 100 % positive that this is not a permissions error |
| 13:33.44 | valdyn | !wikifaq Audi-Addict Permissions |
| 13:33.44 | dpkg | Audi-Addict: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 13:33.45 | rapha | SerajewelKS: and tomcat didnt pull in X either. Only lots of libraries like GTK or libpng or whatever |
| 13:33.50 | enouf | petemc: liable avtobiff perhaps you were all helping me -- but here; http://scripts.irssi.org/scripts/people.pl download that - place it in ~/.irssi/scripts then run "/set load people.pl" |
| 13:33.52 | module000 | Audi-Addict: anyone can run/read/write/execute anything you 777 |
| 13:33.57 | enouf | no need to chmod +x |
| 13:33.59 | SerajewelKS | rapha: ah well you said X so i was confused |
| 13:34.06 | petemc | enouf: what does it do? |
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| 13:34.23 | enouf | petemc: it makes all nicks variios colors |
| 13:34.29 | enouf | petemc: just the nicks |
| 13:34.29 | petemc | why would i want that? |
| 13:34.32 | SerajewelKS | rapha: based on my aptitude tinkering, it's because tomcat is pulling in gcj somewhere, which depends on libgcj9-0-awt, which depends on GTK |
| 13:34.35 | rapha | SerajewelKS: I said "X libraries" which is different ;) - sorry tho |
| 13:34.40 | valdyn | enouf: those scripts are in debian |
| 13:34.42 | enouf | to FOLLOW THE FUCKEN CONVOS MORE EASILY |
| 13:34.42 | SerajewelKS | rapha: that's as far up as i followed the dependency graph |
| 13:34.43 | rapha | okay |
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| 13:34.44 | Audi-Addict | module000: thanks, so if I chmod it 777 I don't need to set the chown right? |
| 13:34.47 | enouf | your eyes sucks ass |
| 13:34.53 | enouf | if that doesn't help |
| 13:34.55 | rapha | well I'll just give up then ... not worth the efofrt |
| 13:34.55 | petemc | 20/20 here |
| 13:34.59 | enouf | no |
| 13:35.01 | module000 | neo2k_: that's because your apache isn't running the perl as CGI, it's displaying it at plain/text |
| 13:35.07 | enouf | nothing to do with FOCUS |
| 13:35.09 | module000 | Audi-Addict: that's correct |
| 13:35.16 | enouf | you unfocused twit |
| 13:35.25 | petemc | i appear to be genetically better than you |
| 13:35.42 | enouf | petemc: not according to the females i inseminate ;-) |
| 13:36.07 | SerajewelKS | just lay out your epenises guys and stfu :P |
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| 13:36.09 | module000 | enouf: what was that about nick colors in irssi? some option to colorize them? |
| 13:36.36 | petemc | clubs SerajewelKS over the head with his... |
| 13:36.38 | blackbeard2001 | anyone here with experience with the openvz-kernel? just a simple question: you dont need an extra kernel inside of the vm, right? |
| 13:37.05 | blackbeard2001 | not like xen or such |
| 13:37.06 | petemc | blackbeard2001: nope |
| 13:37.20 | blackbeard2001 | more like chroot |
| 13:37.30 | enouf | SerajewelKS: hey - thanks for the support way back some hours with the console-setup crap - but i still cannot boot normally without then seeing 70000000000000000 console-kit-daemon processes running, so i have to manually pkill them |
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| 13:37.34 | enouf | oh well |
| 13:37.39 | SerajewelKS | petemc: oh i'm sorry, did you hit me? i thought i felt a fly... |
| 13:37.45 | petemc | heh |
| 13:37.46 | enouf | haha |
| 13:37.47 | petemc | touché |
| 13:37.57 | SerajewelKS | \o/ |
| 13:38.08 | enouf | module000: erm, yes |
| 13:38.12 | SerajewelKS | enouf: np. yeah sounds like fun. glad i don't use it. |
| 13:38.17 | enouf | module000: qread what i said |
| 13:38.44 | enouf | likes mirrored rooms ;-) |
| 13:39.03 | enouf | and heart-shaped beds :-P |
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| 13:39.43 | petemc | classy |
| 13:40.22 | enouf | petemc: really - do you really disagree the the human eye helps the easily distinguish patterns and order through "colorization" ? |
| 13:40.44 | petemc | enouf: i can follow the conversations adequately |
| 13:40.49 | enouf | my dad is colorblind - go bless him! |
| 13:40.49 | petemc | as is |
| 13:40.55 | enouf | he fought in WWII |
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| 13:41.08 | enouf | in the navy in Africa coast and elsewhere .. so |
| 13:41.17 | petemc | fascinating... |
| 13:41.18 | enouf | s/go/GOD/ |
| 13:41.41 | enouf | there's a Memorial with his name, and others in the village square |
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| 13:42.07 | enouf | petemc: are you using a GUI irc client? |
| 13:42.12 | petemc | irssi aye |
| 13:42.24 | enouf | petemc: through xterm / screen? |
| 13:42.34 | petemc | screen |
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| 13:42.50 | petemc | putty running on NT4 |
| 13:42.54 | petemc | old school |
| 13:42.56 | SerajewelKS | i don't use colorized nicks and generally don't have a problem |
| 13:43.15 | SerajewelKS | unless two nicks are the same length and start with the same three letters, then i'm fucked |
| 13:43.25 | enouf | ok - and having ALL the text + nicks as same color does NOT make it tough to folow specific mini-threads? |
| 13:43.35 | SerajewelKS | enouf: not usually |
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| 13:43.40 | enouf | omg |
| 13:43.49 | petemc | i only scan the screen for words anyway, im generally not following whats going on |
| 13:43.52 | enouf | !spank petemc with msdos and aol cds |
| 13:43.52 | dpkg | bends petemc with msdos and aol cds over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 13:43.55 | SerajewelKS | enouf: you are just inferior |
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| 13:44.13 | enouf | SerajewelKS: no - i'm older .. and hornier ;-) |
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| 13:44.34 | enouf | SerajewelKS: and obviously more wise than you dumbasses ;-) |
| 13:45.19 | enouf | hands petemc all his old PCs that have a PnP Enable/Disable feature |
| 13:45.28 | enouf | for ntfspoop |
| 13:45.41 | abrotman | enouf: it doesn't for me either .. |
| 13:45.52 | abrotman | enouf: sounds like your old eyes are starting to fail :) |
| 13:45.56 | enouf | abrotman: doesn't matter colors? |
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| 13:46.06 | enouf | abrotman: pastepic please? |
| 13:46.07 | abrotman | enouf: oh .. the colors *matter* .. but not on irc :) |
| 13:46.13 | enouf | in /msg if you want |
| 13:46.19 | SerajewelKS | enouf: actually colorized nicks bug the shit out of me. they distract, not help. |
| 13:46.20 | enouf | ... |
| 13:46.27 | abrotman | enouf: no, i'm saying i don't use colored .. just when someone highlights me |
| 13:46.34 | seepgood | is detaching himself, later! |
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| 13:46.55 | SerajewelKS | nod highlighting is the only thing that i find helpful |
| 13:46.57 | abrotman | i've seen them .. probably give me a headache with prolonged use |
| 13:46.59 | enouf | SerajewelKS: fine - we disagree - but NOBODY will or has doubted my scientific evaluation |
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| 13:47.16 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i doubt your evaluation could be considered scientific :P |
| 13:47.27 | module000 | enouf: gah, now you'ev got me hooked reading this scripts docs |
| 13:47.29 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ask a Scientist |
| 13:47.31 | beardy | doubts enouf's scientific evaluation |
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| 13:47.43 | abrotman | enouf: FWIW .. i also do coding without syntax highlighting in most cases |
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| 13:47.51 | enouf | module000: you don't need to .. but yes, i did MUCH research prior |
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| 13:48.14 | enouf | 09:35 < enouf> petemc: really - do you really disagree the the human eye helps the easily distinguish patterns and order through "colorization" ? |
| 13:48.25 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yeah i doubt i could code without highlighting |
| 13:48.25 | enouf | scientific |
| 13:48.51 | enouf | one labels cables - color-coding matters! |
| 13:49.00 | SerajewelKS | enouf: well that's scientific. however, there is a fine line between a pattern and seeming random |
| 13:49.01 | enouf | easily discernable |
| 13:49.02 | abrotman | enouf: you could just read the names :) |
| 13:49.09 | enouf | no |
| 13:49.11 | petemc | removes enoufs rods and cones |
| 13:49.19 | abrotman | sounds like a comprehension problem to me |
| 13:49.21 | enouf | not when the NAMES==Text color too |
| 13:49.23 | SerajewelKS | enouf: the colors usually look random to me, which is why they don't help |
| 13:49.39 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i use the syntax highlighting when doing markup languages usually .. but not for other stuff |
| 13:49.55 | enouf | abrotman: no .. don't make me call you a babboon when i know you are atleast an ape ;-) |
| 13:49.57 | module000 | enouf: aha...got it working. i dig it. |
| 13:49.59 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: when using languages with a lot of keywords, the highlighting is a convenient way to tell me i made a typo |
| 13:50.09 | beardy | That's because they are so weird and you are to lazy tow write a highlighting scheme! |
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| 13:50.12 | beardy | runs |
| 13:50.20 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: plus it helps me determine various parts of the grammar without reading too much |
| 13:50.24 | enouf | hunts beardy down |
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| 13:50.58 | enouf | module000: you like? |
| 13:51.09 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you just have to stop using visualstudio and intellisense :) |
| 13:51.09 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i could probably code without highlighting, but i prefer highlighting when it's available |
| 13:51.17 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: nah, vim |
| 13:51.35 | module000 | enouf: yea, easier to see all of what <user> said instead of detaching, and grep "enouf" logfile |
| 13:51.37 | enouf | ahh .. programming WITHOUT syntax highlighting .. go ahead ;-) |
| 13:51.46 | enouf | you've made my point for me |
| 13:51.52 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i agree on the keywords for markup languages .. i tried to do some large XSLT stuff without highlighting .. and that was hell |
| 13:52.01 | abrotman | enouf: i do tons of it .. just not markup languages |
| 13:52.11 | foetus | its good for error correction..but most scripts i've written without highlighting..it confuses sometimes |
| 13:52.19 | enouf | abrotman: nobody cares about markup languages |
| 13:52.19 | abrotman | freaking fop has really awful error explanations |
| 13:52.22 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: highlighting is quite useful in just about everything but C |
| 13:52.28 | abrotman | enouf: yeah .. i know you don't use the internet |
| 13:52.30 | ranix | I like highlighting in c |
| 13:52.38 | module000 | likes highlighting in c |
| 13:52.39 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: because by the time you get around to writing a good C highlighting scheme you've written a complete C lexer and parser |
| 13:52.46 | abrotman | heh |
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| 13:52.56 | enouf | abrotman: haha - no i use non-BLOATED-BEHEMOTH-REDMOND-INSPIRED-CRAP! |
| 13:53.04 | ranix | I like my case/break and for/while/ternary etc. different colors |
| 13:53.09 | abrotman | enouf: what does that have to do with markup languages? |
| 13:53.10 | ranix | red semicolons and such |
| 13:53.11 | SerajewelKS | you can't write a decent C highlighter. you just can't. you can get preprocessor macros, keywords, and constants and that's it |
| 13:53.25 | enouf | abrotman: ask the vi/vim authors and maintainers |
| 13:53.37 | abrotman | see .. this is why no one takes enouf seriously ... |
| 13:53.38 | ranix | SerajewelKS: you've just described a decent C highlighter |
| 13:53.50 | SerajewelKS | ranix: i'd call it minimal at best |
| 13:54.04 | ranix | minimal and decent are not mutually exclusive |
| 13:54.07 | ranix | are you a KDE developer? |
| 13:54.07 | module000 | vim is good enough for me with c highlithing...with :syn on & :set autoindent i'm fine |
| 13:54.09 | SerajewelKS | ranix: a decent one will analyze scope and highlight variables for instance |
| 13:54.27 | SerajewelKS | ranix: decent can be defined as minimal if you like minimality |
| 13:54.36 | SerajewelKS | ranix: and no, thanks for the insult though |
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| 13:55.18 | SerajewelKS | at least vim knows about NULL. that's about the extent of its symbolic smartness when it comes to C |
| 13:55.27 | enouf | abrotman: get a grip -- really -- you cannot acknowledge the way the human eye can work more efficiently? |
| 13:55.31 | enouf | that's sad |
| 13:55.49 | foetus | btw, i like nano with its nice configurable simple highlighter..but not for error correction. I dont like vim too much. |
| 13:55.50 | abrotman | enouf: i asked oyu what markup languages had to do with MS stuff .. and you still can't answer |
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| 13:55.51 | enouf | abrotman: you went to College to learn this? |
| 13:55.57 | enouf | gah |
| 13:56.02 | abrotman | right .. |
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| 13:56.07 | enouf | you never answered my assertion |
| 13:56.16 | beardy | pours gasoline all over the place |
| 13:56.22 | enouf | abrotman: your professors are bumbling idiots |
| 13:56.24 | anoHito | with nslookup domain.com will test out that if the dns is working or no right ? |
| 13:56.31 | abrotman | enouf: you can't even answer a question |
| 13:56.34 | ranix | this is the internet equivalent of a catfight, enouf, abrotman |
| 13:56.37 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i agree that color can help recognize patterns. but i don't agree that applying it to IRC nicks helps. |
| 13:56.38 | enouf | abrotman: no, you can |
| 13:56.38 | abrotman | you know nothing about my professors |
| 13:56.39 | anoHito | i can access to domain.com from my desktop,except from server,it says |
| 13:56.40 | enouf | not |
| 13:56.43 | ranix | between men of questionable sexuality |
| 13:56.50 | anoHito | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.07 | enouf | abrotman: doesn't matter - your professors do not know how to teach - you are their product |
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| 13:57.36 | magyar | morning |
| 13:57.37 | beardy | Haha, why are you saying that about his teachers, who you have not met or had? |
| 13:57.47 | beardy | BURN YOU STUPID FUCKERS. |
| 13:57.49 | abrotman | enouf: right .. you're clearly capable of evaluating that .. |
| 13:57.53 | beardy | lights it all on fire |
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| 13:58.01 | enouf | brings out the dancing girls ;-) |
| 13:58.02 | jpinx-eeepc | hands enouf some tranquillisers |
| 13:58.04 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.13 | abrotman | some people truly are silly |
| 13:58.16 | zinx | !start a highlighting war |
| 13:58.17 | SerajewelKS | pours enouf and abrotman a nice warm cup of Chill The Fuck Out |
| 13:58.43 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: i'm already opiated -- does tha make you feel better? |
| 13:58.43 | foetus | :) |
| 13:58.52 | ranix | amazing that got started because enouf said "nobody cares about markup languages" |
| 13:59.00 | enouf | ranix: haha |
| 13:59.04 | enouf | it's true |
| 13:59.06 | SerajewelKS | ranix: it got started way before that |
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| 13:59.16 | wOPr | anyone ever had "cannot execute binary file" while executing a program? |
| 13:59.19 | cahoot | like 2006 |
| 13:59.20 | ranix | that's where it started to devolve into "my professor can beat up your professor" |
| 13:59.21 | enouf | markup == BLOAT + Frameworks |
| 13:59.23 | beardy | It started 7 years ago in a small corner. |
| 13:59.35 | abrotman | right .. obviously not qualified |
| 13:59.35 | enouf | hjaha |
| 13:59.41 | magyar | i use bitchex on terminal in black and white |
| 13:59.53 | beardy | Do you want a medal? |
| 13:59.57 | ranix | wOPr: sounds like your file is incomplete or the wrong format |
| 13:59.58 | magyar | you insensetive clods |
| 14:00.00 | zinx | green/amber on black forever |
| 14:00.03 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.07 | ranix | wOPr: or maybe check your permissions |
| 14:00.16 | abrotman | zinx: if only i still had that wyse terminal |
| 14:00.18 | enouf | beardy: you mean a "small dumpster, some 25 yrs ago" |
| 14:00.19 | wOPr | -rwxrwxrwx 1 wopr wopr 799828 2003-03-05 00:36 ./dsp/sc_trans_040/sc_trans_linux |
| 14:00.27 | module000 | magyar: no sympathy until you use BitchX on a braile terminal with your toes. |
| 14:00.30 | wOPr | ranix, i tried |
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| 14:00.34 | beardy | enouf: I thought you were older. |
| 14:00.39 | SerajewelKS | C64 LIGHT GREEN ON DARK GREEN IS GOD THE REST OF YOUR COLOR SCHEMES ARE SUCK |
| 14:00.42 | SerajewelKS | ok can we stop now? |
| 14:00.55 | magyar | fu* it, I'll use bitchX with a tape output |
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| 14:00.58 | beardy | Kiss and make cup. |
| 14:01.15 | enouf | !marry abrotman and SerajewelKS |
| 14:01.15 | dpkg | abrotman, do you take SerajewelKS to be your lawfully wedded spouse? SerajewelKS, do you take abrotman? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 14:01.43 | ranix | enouf: why haven't you been in #debian-offtopic |
| 14:01.44 | magyar | match made on debian |
| 14:01.46 | SerajewelKS | back in my day we had to use two paper clips in a serial port and touch them to our tounge to IRC |
| 14:02.01 | SerajewelKS | colors, bah, we had to detect changes in voltage with our tongue |
| 14:02.15 | ranix | someone told me you cannot taste voltage changes |
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| 14:02.23 | ranix | I begged to differ and he told me I was stupid |
| 14:02.24 | Audi-Addict | has anybody seen this error before : No directory, logging in with Home=/ |
| 14:02.26 | Audi-Addict | ? |
| 14:02.26 | ranix | :( |
| 14:02.39 | ranix | Audi-Addict: sounds like your fstab is fubar |
| 14:02.42 | Audi-Addict | I'm running a bin bash file as another user and it's not working and I think this could be the problem |
| 14:02.44 | SerajewelKS | Audi-Addict: means that user has a $HOME that doesn't exist |
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| 14:02.55 | magyar | SerajewelKS: try doing it with your testicles, after your tounge becomes numb |
| 14:03.09 | SerajewelKS | Audi-Addict: fix your /etc/passwd or mkdir the directory you set |
| 14:03.18 | enouf | ranix: too busy readjusting to minimalistic X and less .. from kde Bloatware |
| 14:03.22 | SerajewelKS | Audi-Addict: or make sure /home is mounted if it's on a separate volume |
| 14:03.25 | Audi-Addict | this user doesn't have a password |
| 14:03.33 | Audi-Addict | ass it's being used to run a service |
| 14:03.34 | enouf | !hug ranix |
| 14:03.34 | dpkg | gives ranix a hug |
| 14:03.38 | enouf | i miss you |
| 14:03.41 | Audi-Addict | SerajewelKS: could this be the issue? |
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| 14:04.02 | Audi-Addict | SerajewelKS: Would it help make a folder /home/%username% ? |
| 14:05.12 | Audi-Addict | SerajewelKS: this is my /etc/passwd line for the user running the file (and where it's not working) |
| 14:05.12 | Audi-Addict | zabbix:x:105:108::/var/run/zabbix-server/:/bin/false |
| 14:05.13 | SerajewelKS | Audi-Addict: then his home is /var/run/zabbix-server/ |
| 14:05.51 | SerajewelKS | Audi-Addict: and his shell is /bin/false, which means that he cannot log in at all |
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| 14:07.58 | Audi-Addict | SerajewelKS: Thats strange, that folder doesnt' exit |
| 14:08.09 | unop | indeed .. hence, your error |
| 14:08.32 | Audi-Addict | Can I create it from root by doing mkdir /var/run/zabbix-server/ ? |
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| 14:09.22 | unop | yes, but ensure that zabbix is the owner afterwards |
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| 14:11.05 | nan8 | are there some known issues with debian etch amd64 2.6.18 xen on dom0 using lvm and filesystem corruption on domU (memory ~3g)? |
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| 14:14.43 | Audi-Addict | unop: can I do this by doing chown zabbix:zabbix /homedir? |
| 14:15.18 | unop | Audi-Addict, yes, if /homedir refers to /var/run/zabbix-server/ |
| 14:16.18 | magyar | any of you fine gents are on sid? |
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| 14:17.45 | ajavid | I am a fine ent |
| 14:17.49 | ajavid | I'm on sid |
| 14:18.06 | magyar | can not be, out of 910 and only Moi |
| 14:18.35 | enouf | magyar: i am |
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| 14:18.44 | ajavid | enouf, you don't matter |
| 14:18.47 | ajavid | go away |
| 14:18.53 | magyar | ajavid: on saturday there was a 2.6.29-5 kernel released. Did it update ok for you? |
| 14:18.55 | enouf | magyar: and kde4 sucks REAL SMELLY ASS |
| 14:19.08 | ajavid | magyar, I dunno |
| 14:19.17 | enouf | ajavid: haha .. look who's talking |
| 14:19.27 | magyar | enouf: hmm, let it be the least of my problems, I use console ; remeber |
| 14:19.33 | enouf | some <ENTER> OCD person |
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| 14:19.43 | ajavid | magyar, I have a upgrade cron job, it stops on grave bugs but keeps the packets downloaded until I wake up |
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| 14:20.10 | ajavid | twice a day |
| 14:20.12 | magyar | ajavid: hmm, thats neat |
| 14:20.19 | ajavid | per sid upgrade times twice a day |
| 14:20.23 | nellmathew | hey guys, how do i get font rendering configured right?.. it's not as smooth as windows or ubuntu for me. |
| 14:20.33 | enouf | magyar: no other issues, other than GUI bloated DE and frameworks ;-) |
| 14:20.41 | ajavid | nellmathew, dpkg-recongifure fontconfig-fongic |
| 14:20.42 | enouf | i'm fully updated/upgraded |
| 14:20.43 | ajavid | uhm |
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| 14:20.48 | magyar | The lates kernel release for sid is causing a dpkg error. I use grub2 instead of grub for the bootloader and here is the error output >> http://pastebin.ca/1427450 |
| 14:20.52 | nellmathew | thanks ajavid |
| 14:20.52 | ajavid | nellmathew, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 14:21.02 | magyar | enouf: grub or grub2? |
| 14:21.03 | kanon-mat | im going to smell the kde4. atleast konversation has coloured nicks, maybe kvirc too |
| 14:21.11 | ajavid | ajavid, select native, always, no, done. |
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| 14:21.18 | enouf | uname -r == 2.6.28 here ;-0 |
| 14:21.20 | ajavid | uhm n ot me |
| 14:21.23 | ajavid | nellmathew, you |
| 14:21.31 | ajavid | .28? |
| 14:21.33 | ajavid | weenie |
| 14:21.42 | magyar | trator |
| 14:21.54 | magyar | you should have 2.6.30 |
| 14:21.58 | enouf | Linux version 2.6.28-1-686 (Debian 2.6.28-2~snapshot.12850) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.3 (GCC) ) #1 SMP Thu Feb 19 02:24:16 UTC 2009 |
| 14:22.08 | ajavid | I am running sid + kde3 |
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| 14:22.15 | ajavid | I have testing pinned to a higher priority than unstable |
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| 14:22.19 | enouf | uses kbuild |
| 14:22.25 | ajavid | no wonder its not upgrading to the kernel |
| 14:22.26 | ajavid | doh |
| 14:22.27 | magyar | i just heard that KDE 4 is on testing |
| 14:22.32 | magyar | as of this weekend |
| 14:22.33 | ajavid | what |
| 14:22.37 | ajavid | that sucks |
| 14:22.42 | ajavid | fuck KDE4 |
| 14:23.01 | abrotman | lovely |
| 14:23.05 | enouf | ajavid: one of your very few truthful statements |
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| 14:23.18 | enouf | it;s a POFS! |
| 14:23.21 | ajavid | kdebase: Installed: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 |
| 14:23.27 | ajavid | 900 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Packages |
| 14:23.28 | magyar | http://pusling.com/blog/?p=118 |
| 14:23.31 | enouf | let abrotman explain what POFS stand for |
| 14:23.44 | enouf | ajavid: welcome to Lenny |
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| 14:23.47 | abrotman | Piece of Fresh Squid! |
| 14:23.52 | enouf | KDE sucks ass .. period! |
| 14:24.08 | magyar | ehhh, i've seen worst |
| 14:24.08 | abrotman | ajavid: that's just the metapackage |
| 14:24.10 | cahoot | paté? |
| 14:24.15 | enouf | abrotman: thank you .. i <3 calamari ;-) |
| 14:24.15 | themill | enouf: enough. it's beyond boring now. If you don't like it, don't use it. Just STFU about it please. |
| 14:24.22 | enouf | themill: no |
| 14:24.27 | ajavid | kdebase? |
| 14:24.33 | enouf | i must WARN the masses of SHEEPLE |
| 14:24.42 | ajavid | whatever, piont was, I got 3.5 on sid and testing as ahigher proirity |
| 14:24.44 | themill | they can work it out for themselves. |
| 14:24.46 | ajavid | I don't care about kde4 |
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| 14:24.59 | abrotman | it's been removed AFAIK |
| 14:25.04 | enouf | themill: really? when only mpoopers will actually try it>? |
| 14:25.06 | ajavid | :( |
| 14:25.12 | abrotman | if you don't like kde4, you might as well find something besides KDE |
| 14:25.16 | ajavid | that makes me sad in pants |
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| 14:25.32 | ajavid | abrotman, uhm... you do realize I can always just build kde3 for myself |
| 14:25.33 | wOPr | anyone here ever used darkice? |
| 14:25.43 | enouf | offers a job to someone willing to change ajavid 's diaper |
| 14:25.46 | ajavid | don't HAVE to find anything else, I can use debian and kde3 as much as I want |
| 14:25.48 | abrotman | i'm so glad that enouf and ajavid can have these grade school conversations |
| 14:25.50 | enouf | 8$ an hour |
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| 14:26.06 | magyar | ajavid: enouf: why do you find it so shitty? |
| 14:26.10 | magyar | kde4 that is |
| 14:26.13 | themill | enouf: any time you feel like actually communicating in adult English rather than your prepubescent jibberish is fine by me. Please try to have something interesting and novel to say when you do too, rather than just blithering on about nothing as you have been doing for days now. |
| 14:26.17 | enouf | magyar: install it and see |
| 14:26.44 | ajavid | damn. |
| 14:26.47 | magyar | enouf: i do have it, right now |
| 14:26.58 | ajavid | when abrotman comes at me, I just ignore it don't give a fuck |
| 14:27.01 | magyar | it's same shit as kde 3 |
| 14:27.03 | ajavid | but damn, enouf just got told. |
| 14:27.11 | ajavid | thats harsh man. |
| 14:27.19 | enouf | themill: that's nice - and i realize i'm harming redmond lovers, such as you .. but i cannot and will not stop talking about the POFS that kde4 is |
| 14:27.36 | nickoe | I am trying to install Debian 5.01 on a IBM eServer xSeries 330, but I am having trouble. It boots fine on my netinstall disk, but when I use install to start the installer or just press enter, it starts the installer (i believe), but it just "hangs" with a blak screen. |
| 14:28.08 | magyar | enouf: well just to get it straight kde 3.5 is a POOS |
| 14:28.21 | themill | enouf: the more you ramble on about "frameworks" and "redmond lovers" in this way, the less clue it looks like you have. How about you stick to the hardware stuff you actually seem to know something about. |
| 14:28.30 | abrotman | less ? |
| 14:28.31 | magyar | in reality some progies are more stable in 4.2 |
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| 14:28.55 | enouf | magyar: yes, 3.5.x is/was a BLOATED POFS .. but kde4 is totally unusable |
| 14:28.55 | ajavid | ladies... |
| 14:29.00 | ajavid | kiss n make up already. |
| 14:29.08 | ajavid | jeez |
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| 14:29.18 | abrotman | it's getting old .. that's the point |
| 14:29.26 | ajavid | exactly |
| 14:29.37 | magyar | 4.2 is not old, it's failrly new |
| 14:29.38 | enouf | themill: why don't you mind your own business .. or i'll just toss you into the bozo box |
| 14:29.40 | ajavid | I found my solution, I put kde3 on sid, I do as I like to do |
| 14:29.44 | enouf | makes you happy? |
| 14:29.46 | abrotman | i meant the way you and enouf seem to fail to communicate at more than a third grade level |
| 14:29.50 | ajavid | no problems, if you don't like kde4, bitch in #kde |
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| 14:30.05 | beardy | enouf: More people agree with what themill said. Take a break? |
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| 14:30.18 | ajavid | this is debian, apart from a small thought for a sec like i thin kde4 sucks, fine, don't get into a long drawn out argument about it |
| 14:30.20 | themill | enouf: no, for the good of the entire channel, please send your rantings to #debian-chat or perhaps /dev/null. |
| 14:30.22 | ajavid | this is not the place for it |
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| 14:30.33 | magyar | ajavid: bitching ain't going to do much on #kde either |
| 14:30.37 | enouf | beardy: more people == sheeple and ponzi scheme victims ;-) |
| 14:30.38 | ajavid | themill, you need to stop being so confrontational |
| 14:30.45 | ajavid | enouf, you need to stay on topic |
| 14:30.57 | beardy | enouf: If that is what you like to call me. |
| 14:30.58 | ajavid | and with that, lets move on |
| 14:30.59 | ajavid | please. |
| 14:31.10 | themill | ajavid: days and days of continuous ranting is well beyond boring. I (and others) have asked politely and nicely several times. |
| 14:31.17 | ajavid | themill, employ /ignor |
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| 14:31.37 | ajavid | yu're not an op, you can use /ignore |
| 14:32.06 | ajavid | the ops are live and present, when they see it becoming a problem, they will handle it |
| 14:32.14 | stew | i'll reiterate everything that themill is saying if you want to hear it from an op |
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| 14:32.22 | ajavid | its not my problem |
| 14:32.26 | ajavid | I don't care. just move on. |
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| 14:32.39 | magyar | themill: enoufis usually a good "netizen" he just had a bad trip on acid while working with KDE4 .... thats all |
| 14:33.52 | nickoe | I am trying to install Debian 5.01 on a IBM eServer xSeries 330, but I am having trouble. It boots fine on my netinstall disk, but when I use install to start the installer or just press enter, it starts the installer (i believe), but it just "hangs" with a blak screen. |
| 14:34.11 | ajavid | never worked with ibm servers |
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| 14:34.19 | ajavid | lets help this guys |
| 14:34.19 | nickoe | :-/ |
| 14:34.23 | ajavid | -s |
| 14:34.41 | magyar | nickoe: try staging the server before install |
| 14:35.11 | magyar | helped me in many installs |
| 14:35.19 | ajavid | magyar, staging? |
| 14:35.22 | nickoe | staging? |
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| 14:37.14 | ajavid | sid still even has netbeans 6.0, they are well up to 6.7beta by now |
| 14:37.15 | magyar | getting the hardware firmware up to date |
| 14:37.47 | ajavid | I wonder whats taking so long... (be nice to have it in deb, but its ok, I get the nightly builds anyway) |
| 14:37.50 | magyar | f netbeans, my kernel breaks |
| 14:38.00 | ajavid | wtf does that have to do with your kernel |
| 14:38.02 | ajavid | its a jvm app |
| 14:38.52 | magyar | ajavid: i'm just indicating the drastic difference between fuckin netbeans and a working kernel |
| 14:39.05 | ajavid | do you know what netbeans is? |
| 14:39.13 | magyar | its a java addon |
| 14:39.18 | ajavid | no its not. |
| 14:39.35 | ajavid | !netbeans |
| 14:39.37 | magyar | its a C++ programming language |
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| 14:40.14 | ajavid | its a multilanguge IDE written in JAVA. VERY much less bloated than eclipse, and fast, and abotu as featureful when it comes to php |
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| 14:40.57 | ajavid | in fact, 6.7 blows zend_studio out of the water |
| 14:41.12 | magyar | and how is that? |
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| 14:41.30 | ajavid | its ok, kida the same 500mb bloat of eclipse plus the ZS |
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| 14:41.36 | ajavid | too fat! |
| 14:41.37 | nickoe | magyar, the BIOS version is 1.03. I can't remember if that is the latest.. |
| 14:41.45 | azeem | ajavid, magyar: please take this discussion elsewhere |
| 14:41.46 | ajavid | nickoe, with IBM check |
| 14:42.19 | nickoe | ajavid, link? |
| 14:42.24 | magyar | nickoe: try #harware first and see if you get some good hint on "staging a server" and installing an OS |
| 14:42.55 | ajavid | but thas the problem, have to find out exactly why he is getting a blank screen on the debian installer |
| 14:43.01 | magyar | azeem: fair enough |
| 14:43.09 | ajavid | I think he said the installer loads, and when it does, he gets a blank screen |
| 14:44.14 | magyar | ajavid: is a IBM XSeries qualifies as a workstation? |
| 14:44.22 | ajavid | I have no idea man |
| 14:45.25 | magyar | good, so let me give you a hint, it's a server, 10 times more complex than a workstation , so when installing an OS one should do a proper research for the hardware settings |
| 14:47.19 | nickoe | magyar, ajavid, if i push the <Enter> button, when the "Install" menu item is selected, then it starts decompressing linux, booting kernel, show something about a resource is not in IRQ (cant rember if that is what is says), then it starts some deamon |
| 14:47.36 | magyar | nickoe: system bios is a small portion, you should see the compatibility on SCSI controllers, main board controllers harddrives etc |
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| 14:48.43 | nickoe | Resource is not in IRQ entry |
| 14:48.46 | magyar | i went throug a nightmare with adaptec chipsets |
| 14:49.24 | magyar | 2100 in particular |
| 14:49.50 | magyar | what a piece of crap that is |
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| 14:49.54 | nickoe | accordign to http://www.dbzoo.com/wiki/ebay/sales/x330_1 it is a adaptec that is in it |
| 14:50.29 | magyar | and fun you shell have my young friend |
| 14:50.35 | magyar | shall |
| 14:50.53 | magyar | i suck , no cofee this morning yet |
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| 14:51.10 | nickoe | ;-/ heh :) but can you help me along? |
| 14:51.19 | magyar | of to get a pot of coffee |
| 14:51.46 | nickoe | magyar, why not a barrel? :P |
| 14:52.10 | magyar | bad ticker |
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| 14:53.02 | enouf | stew: stew> i'll reiterate everything that themill is saying if you want to hear it from an op |
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| 14:53.12 | magyar | if you really want to have fun with adaptec, try OpenBSD install |
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| 14:53.15 | enouf | nobody cares |
| 14:53.36 | magyar | ouch |
| 14:53.37 | stew | enouf: please try to keep your comments more constructive |
| 14:53.39 | enouf | stew: you are smart and knowledgeable, but your overall opinion matters not |
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| 14:54.13 | enouf | i do - for the most part |
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| 14:54.20 | stew | enouf: but your opinion of how much whatever desktop environemnt sucks matters more? so much that you need to repeat it over and over? |
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| 14:54.50 | enouf | until people want to question my _well_researched_comments_ |
| 14:55.01 | enouf | and then they disagree .. just to disagree |
| 14:55.09 | ranix | "kdesux" - well researched |
| 14:55.19 | enouf | !hug ranix |
| 14:55.19 | dpkg | wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around ranix |
| 14:55.22 | enouf | ;-) |
| 14:55.24 | beardy | Opinions, are opinions. |
| 14:55.25 | ranix | :) |
| 14:55.49 | enouf | beardy: broken == broken .. stop lying |
| 14:56.02 | ranix | I think you have a case of the Tuesdays, enouf |
| 14:56.07 | enouf | shit .. smells like shit |
| 14:56.23 | magyar | this is not going to end pretty |
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| 14:56.33 | petemc | its not pretty now |
| 14:57.27 | enouf | beardy: if the people who don't matter are not paying attention (the maintainers) what difference does it make? |
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| 14:58.05 | magyar | lets spark a duppy and we will feel alright |
| 14:58.10 | petemc | enouf: you're far too outspoken, this is a support channel, not your personal soapbox |
| 14:58.55 | ranix | /join #kde;/say kdesux |
| 14:59.03 | enouf | petemc: thanks for reminding me - and tell me how much support you've given _here_ vs i? |
| 14:59.03 | nickoe | magyar, you think that my problem is a bad driver for the adaptec? |
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| 14:59.16 | petemc | enouf: quality vs quantity :) |
| 14:59.25 | enouf | petemc: right ... so stfu |
| 14:59.32 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf this is not a competition to see how answers the most questions |
| 14:59.32 | magyar | nickoe: try removing it :) |
| 14:59.35 | petemc | you're rather petulant too.. |
| 14:59.36 | azeem | enouf: please keep it on topic |
| 14:59.44 | enouf | azeem: yes dear ... |
| 14:59.52 | azeem | thx |
| 14:59.56 | eraserhead | you're all gay |
| 15:00.05 | ranix | hahahaha |
| 15:00.08 | magyar | beat that |
| 15:00.13 | azeem | eraserhead: please keep it on topic |
| 15:00.14 | eraserhead | i spend my days reading this channel |
| 15:00.14 | stew | eraserhead: don't |
| 15:00.15 | enouf | eraserhead: you're all twisted ... and worse than my sister |
| 15:00.29 | stew | enouf: stop |
| 15:00.43 | eraserhead | and my conclusion is that you are all gay |
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| 15:00.58 | magyar | i think flamer should have a 1/2 hour timeout |
| 15:01.00 | stew | eraserhead: take a 10 minute break |
| 15:01.11 | enouf | crawls back under his rock .. due to intelligence-run-amok |
| 15:01.25 | stew | enouf: please respond to my PMs |
| 15:01.42 | enouf | stew: ok - it's a new irc client for me |
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| 15:04.15 | izua | is it me, or there is some serious lack of CAD solutions for linux? :/ |
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| 15:04.25 | Audi-Addict | Is there a config file for debian which allowes certain commands to run at bootup? |
| 15:04.31 | Audi-Addict | if so where is it located? |
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| 15:05.11 | Audi-Addict | I need to run a specific init.d script and also chown ttyACM0 |
| 15:05.14 | Audi-Addict | I would like to script this.. |
| 15:05.19 | themill | izua: qcad is OK for 2D use, depending on what your usage will be. (think gimp/photoshop comparison for qcad /autocad like things) |
| 15:05.28 | durt | izua, there are plenty of CAD solutions, just none of them are that comprehensive as the best commercial stuff. |
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| 15:05.46 | izua | i need solidworks/solidedge/nx kind of stuff. |
| 15:06.10 | izua | qcad is well.. decent, for 2D. but that's about it. |
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| 15:06.25 | izua | and that's just the mechanical design part. |
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| 15:06.45 | izua | don't even get me started on the electronic cad part.. *sigh* |
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| 15:07.02 | izua | really wish i had fewer reasons to boot windows |
| 15:07.06 | ranix | heavy-duty CAD applications are generally so expensive the computer and OS to run them on are a secondary concern you work around |
| 15:07.16 | ranix | here we have dedicated CAD stations that do nothing else |
| 15:07.37 | ranix | even our off-site engineers have dedicated machines just for the electronics CAD programs |
| 15:07.58 | themill | izua: yeah. As I said, it's OK for a lot of things, will be disappointing/useless for others. There are a few electronic design programs that work quite nicely. geda I've not used but heard good things about it. qucs is good for circuit simulation and we've used it extensively in our RF work. |
| 15:08.16 | nickoe | magyar, what should I remove? I have removed som card in it, is was connected to the HDD's |
| 15:08.23 | oxi | hi |
| 15:08.32 | izua | neah, i'm not overkilling myself with simulation. |
| 15:09.00 | izua | but at least to allow me a schematic decently and make a board out of it |
| 15:09.07 | enouf | you bozos have no idea what's involved with CAD |
| 15:09.17 | ranix | rofl |
| 15:09.18 | ajavid | seriously |
| 15:09.18 | enouf | i've used them all |
| 15:09.20 | ajavid | chill out |
| 15:09.28 | ajavid | stop with the namecalling |
| 15:09.31 | izua | geda is unbearable.. kicad is closer to something, still no cigar. or dxp. |
| 15:09.38 | nsadmin | we;re all bozos on this bus |
| 15:09.38 | oxi | I'm trying to understand this: http://tech.softagency.net/?MySQL%2FDebian(etch)%CD%D1%A5%D1%A5%C3%A5%B1%A1%BC%A5%B8 (I don't understand the language) |
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| 15:09.49 | enouf | azeem: stfu before i smite thee ! |
| 15:09.53 | durt | izua, how many lyers? |
| 15:09.55 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 15:09.59 | durt | *layers, even |
| 15:10.01 | enouf | oops |
| 15:10.01 | oxi | I'm struggling with mysql which has the default collation set to swedish in debian |
| 15:10.17 | ajavid | oxi, translate |
| 15:10.20 | izua | ranix: heh, yes, sure they use dedicated stations, but they don't do it at home on a single box, aye? |
| 15:10.21 | ajavid | oxi, use google :) |
| 15:10.21 | enouf | ajavid: is gone == stfu before i smite thee ! |
| 15:10.31 | izua | durt: 2 and above? usually i work on 4 |
| 15:10.40 | magyar | nickoe: firs try flushing the bios and if still issues than disable components and hopefully that will tell you where the IRQ conflict is comming from |
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| 15:10.46 | stew | enouf: take a break |
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| 15:10.58 | izua | anyway, brb.. |
| 15:10.58 | oxi | now I was hopeing that someone with a deeper package-understanding could explain to me if I could change my sources.list to have mysql installed with utf8 by default, similar to http://tech.softagency.net/?MySQL%2FDebian(etch)%CD%D1%A5%D1%A5%C3%A5%B1%A1%BC%A5%B8 |
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| 15:11.01 | ranix | izua: they all have multiple computers |
| 15:11.08 | ranix | at home or at work |
| 15:11.12 | durt | izua, tried kicad or geda? |
| 15:11.15 | ranix | I have yet to meet an engineer who doesn't |
| 15:11.22 | izua | no, i mean, the software runs on a cluster |
| 15:11.24 | ajavid | lol |
| 15:11.32 | abrotman | izua: isn't geda for circuits ? |
| 15:11.34 | themill | izua: yeah, how design needs tend to be modest here and qcad is fine for our mechanical guys, kicad fine for our electronics people and qucs fine for me for RF simulation. |
| 15:11.36 | ranix | oh, no. We use the Autodesk apps |
| 15:11.40 | ranix | no clusters here |
| 15:11.44 | oxi | does the uft8 switch shown there " deb http://download.softagency.net/debian/mysql/ etch utf8" in sources.list only work with their own server or could this also work on an "official" debian mirror? |
| 15:11.46 | izua | kicad is ok, but as i said, close - but no cigar. considering the cigar is altium dxp |
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| 15:11.53 | ranix | all board layout and container design |
| 15:11.53 | \amethyst | oxi: ony their server |
| 15:12.03 | oxi | does anyone have deeper understandings about those switches? how do they work? |
| 15:12.06 | \amethyst | oxi: that's the name of their archive section, like 'main' and 'contrib' in debian |
| 15:12.10 | oxi | amethyst: thanks! |
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| 15:12.47 | oxi | amethyst: in that case "utf8" is the name of their "achive section", right? |
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| 15:13.15 | oxi | or am I understanding this wrong? |
| 15:13.22 | \amethyst | oxi: yes |
| 15:13.27 | oxi | great |
| 15:13.29 | longcat | Anyone else getting scheduling while atomic with 2.6.30-5? |
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| 15:13.50 | themill | oxi: I have no idea what those packages are doing, but it's fairly easy to get utf8_general_ci in debian. |
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| 15:14.05 | nsadmin | oxi: it's not itself a debian mirror, they made their own decision as to location |
| 15:14.40 | oxi | amethyst: ah, I see, I just noticed the subpaths, that means that "archive sections" can be mapped to paths containing the packages: http://download.softagency.net/debian/mysql/dists/etch/utf8/ |
| 15:14.43 | nsadmin | oxi: ever tried postgres? |
| 15:14.58 | oxi | nsadmin: yeah, I did, but only a little |
| 15:15.06 | Audi-Addict | Can somebody please confirm that all files in /etc/init.d/ are automaticaly AutoStarted at boot? |
| 15:15.12 | abrotman | they are not |
| 15:15.12 | Audi-Addict | I have a bin bash file |
| 15:15.19 | Audi-Addict | hmm |
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| 15:15.21 | abrotman | !tell Audi-Addict about run at startup |
| 15:15.26 | nsadmin | it's sortof more traditional |
| 15:15.27 | ranix | Audi-Addict: try /etc/rcS.d |
| 15:15.42 | ranix | I'm getting deja-vu |
| 15:15.55 | oxi | themill: how would you get utf8_general_ci in debian? |
| 15:15.56 | Audi-Addict | ranix: I have two init.d scripts that come with my software |
| 15:16.02 | Audi-Addict | I copied them in my init.d folder |
| 15:16.06 | nsadmin | and has extensive features that let you define how to keep a particular database stable |
| 15:16.07 | groul | Hi guys, one question. I have a windows application. What I want to do is to share the folder on a debian machine so that everyone on the network can access it. If the application is for windows and it is saved on a linux machine, would there be any problem people using windows machines accesing it? |
| 15:16.09 | Audi-Addict | and I can start them manualy with .program start |
| 15:16.16 | Audi-Addict | but i want to have it start on boot |
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| 15:16.20 | ajavid | groul, no |
| 15:16.21 | abrotman | Audi-Addict: see what the bot told you |
| 15:16.26 | oxi | themill: from my understanding you need a configure attribute to fully have utf8_general_ci |
| 15:16.43 | karrotx | there's a current high level vulnerability is squirrelmail < 1.4.18; where can i check to see if debian has put out a security fix? |
| 15:16.46 | ajavid | groul, install samba, edit smb.conf, configure shares, smbpasswd -a username, set password, test with smbclient |
| 15:16.50 | karrotx | http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB09-138.html |
| 15:16.54 | ranix | Audi-Addict: abrotman has it right, check the factoid |
| 15:16.58 | groul | ajavid, I already have a samba server running |
| 15:17.03 | ajavid | groul, with samba, it will be treated like a smb share, FS doesn't matter |
| 15:17.06 | nsadmin | karrotx: www.debian.org for one |
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| 15:17.16 | stew | karrotx: /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
| 15:17.18 | karrotx | nsadmin: i'm trying to navigate the site |
| 15:17.19 | Audi-Addict | Is there no " newbie" explanation? |
| 15:17.25 | Audi-Addict | symbolic links sound too scary for me |
| 15:17.27 | nan8 | hmm the 3w-xxxx data corruption troubles should have been fixed with etch½ right? |
| 15:17.32 | oxi | can I specify configure attributes then apt-get installing mysql? |
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| 15:17.51 | groul | ajavid, it can be running simultaneously with no problem then |
| 15:18.06 | oxi | I'd guess mysql comes in a precompiled fashion when doing apt-get install, right? |
| 15:18.08 | ajavid | groul, you mean the windows application it stored on a linux FS shared via smb |
| 15:18.26 | ajavid | groul, sure no problem. its just a windows share, doesn't matter if its on linux or on another windows machine |
| 15:18.28 | stew | karrotx: do you have the CVE id? |
| 15:18.38 | karrotx | no |
| 15:18.59 | ranix | Audi-Addict: /etc/init.d/README should have more info about it |
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| 15:19.02 | ajavid | Audi-Addict, symbolic link is easy, read 'man ln' especially the -s switch |
| 15:19.04 | stew | karrotx: find it. then put it into the search box on http://security-tracker.debian.net ; or search there for squirrelmail |
| 15:19.05 | nsadmin | oxi: you mean for building mysql from source? no, but you could get the debianized source, find where it calls configure (likely somewhere in debian/rules), adjust that and rebuild the package |
| 15:19.14 | karrotx | thanks |
| 15:19.19 | izua | so anyway.. |
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| 15:19.23 | nan8 | (does anybody else see data corruption that suggests that Bug#464923 should be reopened?) |
| 15:19.28 | izua | i'm still looking for some 3D cad software :D |
| 15:19.44 | ranix | symlinks won't help him, he needs to supply an argument (to an init.d script, i.e. "start") so he should be using a small script in /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 15:20.08 | durt | izua, someone on an ubuntu list was talking about collabcad but I've never tried it. |
| 15:20.22 | ajavid | he wanted to know about symbolic links. |
| 15:20.29 | groul | ajavid, thanks, will try it rigth now |
| 15:20.38 | nickoe | magyar, do you mean falshing? |
| 15:20.42 | ranix | that's what he said, but it was linked with a deeper problem with understanding |
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| 15:21.01 | groul | ajavid, the other problem is that the database is dbisma |
| 15:21.06 | groul | dbisam |
| 15:21.12 | karrotx | stew: thanks for the help |
| 15:21.20 | karrotx | looks like debian hasn't fixed the issue for etch yet |
| 15:21.24 | ajavid | ranix, then help him. |
| 15:21.25 | themill | oxi: aiui, you can set mysql variables as such "show variables like '%character%'"; "show variables like '%collation%'"; I would advise doing it per-database anyway. |
| 15:21.34 | ranix | ajavid: I did |
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| 15:23.04 | eraserhead | :o |
| 15:23.34 | oxi | nsadmin: I see, thanks a lot |
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| 15:23.53 | caraconan | Hi. I'm reading http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser and I'm not sure if it's possible to install a passkey-agent without having to install an x-window environtment. Is it? Thanks |
| 15:24.34 | oxi | nsadmin: so I guess there's an apt-get command or package source that installs mysql from debianized source instead for binary package |
| 15:24.42 | Sivik | why would my wired network card work during debian install to download everything and then not work to connect to the internet after debian lods? |
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| 15:25.18 | caraconan | Sivik check your /etc/network/interfaces files |
| 15:25.31 | caraconan | Check your devices: eth0, eth1 or something like that |
| 15:25.37 | betz | Hey! Somebody knows where i can find all the ssh commands i did in the past? |
| 15:25.53 | Sivik | what am I looking for in that file? I have to reboot into debian to check |
| 15:25.55 | oxi | themill: yeah, true, I'm aware of that |
| 15:25.57 | oxi | themill: yeah, I'm doing it per database |
| 15:26.01 | Sivik | betz: history? |
| 15:26.07 | ajavid | betz, history? |
| 15:26.09 | oxi | but it's confusing me that I can't change the "collation_server" value |
| 15:26.17 | betz | where is history? |
| 15:26.19 | oxi | I think that value can only be changed by recompiling |
| 15:26.21 | Sivik | history is a command |
| 15:26.23 | Sivik | man history |
| 15:26.25 | betz | ah |
| 15:26.35 | beardy | betz: Not sure what you mean. But the commands you ran while logged in somewhere using ssh, are in that accounts .bash_history, if you use bash, and history. |
| 15:26.36 | petemc | ~/.bash_history |
| 15:26.54 | Sivik | caraconan: what do i need to verify is in that file |
| 15:27.24 | caraconan | For instance that your ethernet device (eth0 for example) is the default |
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| 15:27.33 | caraconan | ifconfig -a lists all your NIC devices |
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| 15:27.42 | beardy | betz: To search for "ssh", backwards, in your current shell, Ctrl-r then type ssh, Ctrl-r again to search for the next. |
| 15:28.18 | kanon-mat | is there a better way than "script" to log bash sessions? |
| 15:28.25 | betz | found it in ~/.bash_history thanx all! |
| 15:28.36 | Audi-Addict | ranix: I added a symoblic link with update-rc.d programname defaults |
| 15:28.57 | Audi-Addict | this adds the program /etc/rc0.d/K20zabbix-server -> ../init.d/zabbix-server |
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| 15:29.01 | white_male | hellllllllllllllllllllo |
| 15:29.03 | Audi-Addict | udner all my rc levels |
| 15:29.08 | Audi-Addict | that's not correct is it? |
| 15:29.09 | themill | oxi: SET GLOBAL collation_server='utf8_unicode_ci'; ? |
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| 15:29.16 | ranix | Audi-Addict: I don't think it is at all |
| 15:29.20 | Sivik | caraconan: I already did the ifconfig -a and eth0 and lo are the only ones there and I can ping localhost but not set up dhcp or manul for eth0 |
| 15:29.26 | petemc | kanon-mat: you could look into process accounting, bit more work than script tho |
| 15:29.54 | themill | oxi: but once again, I wouldn't recommend relying on that in code as you'll hit problems with that when you move from machine to machine. Portability is important. |
| 15:30.02 | caraconan | Sivik, I presume that you're connected to a LAN that has a dhcp server |
| 15:30.07 | Audi-Addict | ranix: meaning I just messed up my server :(? |
| 15:30.08 | caraconan | is'nt it? |
| 15:30.20 | ranix | Audi-Addict: you can just remove the simlinks you put there |
| 15:30.32 | ranix | Audi-Addict: just make a shell script that invokes your /etc/init.d/script start |
| 15:30.42 | kanon-mat | ty petemc, i thought there would be something easy. i don't want all my keypresses logged |
| 15:31.04 | Audi-Addict | ranix: I don't follow |
| 15:31.22 | petemc | kanon-mat: what is that script doesnt do that you need? |
| 15:31.36 | ranix | Audi-Addict: do you understand "make a script" |
| 15:31.57 | Audi-Addict | ranix: a bin bash script, yes, but I shouldn't need to, zabbix in this case has init.d scripts programmed |
| 15:32.03 | Audi-Addict | and I copied them to my init.d |
| 15:32.10 | Audi-Addict | and can start them with ./zabbix-server start |
| 15:32.13 | ranix | http://www.linuxconfig.org/Bash_scripting_Tutorial |
| 15:32.24 | ranix | make a script that runs /etc/init.d/zabbix-server start |
| 15:32.30 | Sivik | caraconan: yes |
| 15:32.44 | Sivik | caraconan: but i'm not in debian right now on this box cause its the only one I have gui |
| 15:32.50 | Sivik | and connected to a monitor |
| 15:32.53 | nsadmin | why make a script? |
| 15:32.53 | ranix | and put that script in /etc/rcS.d at the end of the start cycle in the 80s or 90s |
| 15:32.57 | kanon-mat | script does too much, and i get ugly characters where i used command line editing |
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| 15:33.22 | caraconan | Sivik try to ping to another lan machine (192.168.1.1...) |
| 15:33.33 | caraconan | Maybe is a DNS issue |
| 15:33.37 | Audi-Addict | ranix: a script would be just a line of /etc/init.d/zabbix-server start with th bin bash thing above it right? |
| 15:33.51 | Audi-Addict | ranix: can you tell me how to remove the symlink I just made btw? |
| 15:33.54 | Audi-Addict | :/ |
| 15:33.59 | nsadmin | just rm it |
| 15:34.13 | Audi-Addict | it made it in all my rc dirs.. |
| 15:34.23 | nsadmin | "it"? |
| 15:34.26 | ranix | no, you made one in each of your rc dirs |
| 15:34.32 | Audi-Addict | http://pastebin.com/m2b9c19e5 |
| 15:34.32 | ranix | there is more than one simlink |
| 15:34.38 | Audi-Addict | that's what it did |
| 15:34.51 | nsadmin | what command did you run? |
| 15:34.56 | Audi-Addict | see the apstebin.. |
| 15:34.58 | Audi-Addict | it's at the top |
| 15:35.01 | Audi-Addict | pastebin |
| 15:35.09 | Audi-Addict | the update-rc.d thing |
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| 15:35.45 | nsadmin | oh, you could run update-rc.d to remove them |
| 15:35.57 | nsadmin | see man update-rc.d for details on that |
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| 15:36.48 | Audi-Addict | nsadmin: update-rc.d /etc/init.d/zabbix-server remove ? |
| 15:37.13 | nsadmin | btw, those symlinks are what would cause the init.d script to run for those runlevels |
| 15:37.22 | nsadmin | at boot time |
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| 15:38.40 | nsadmin | and it would run the same script again at shutdown |
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| 15:38.51 | Audi-Addict | I don't follow, obviously Ive done something wrong here |
| 15:38.57 | Audi-Addict | and I would like to remove this last command |
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| 15:39.08 | Audi-Addict | when looking at my pastebin link above, which command do I need to use to remove this? |
| 15:39.08 | nsadmin | it's the way the system works |
| 15:39.34 | nsadmin | Audi-Addict: it's in the man page |
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| 15:40.53 | rgsteele||work | If you have two packages that both manage the same binary (both being custom built), what's the preferred way to handle that situation? Deferrence? |
| 15:41.27 | stew | rgsteele||work: have the two packages conflict with eachother |
| 15:41.35 | stew | rgsteele||work: and perhaps have one Replace: the other |
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| 15:41.47 | sivik | caraconan: ok, i rebooted and now networking is working |
| 15:41.49 | sivik | that was weird |
| 15:42.03 | rgsteele||work | stew: One depends on the other. |
| 15:42.08 | sivik | now, time to get dual monitors working |
| 15:42.20 | rgsteele||work | E.g., the secondary package requires the first, although both appear to try and manage the same binary. |
| 15:42.22 | sivik | at least I have the screen showing up on both monitors now. Its just the same screen |
| 15:42.28 | stew | rgsteele||work: then the packages are broken |
| 15:42.46 | caraconan | Ok |
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| 15:43.13 | nsadmin | what do you mean by "manage the binary"? |
| 15:43.13 | sivik | caraconan: thanks |
| 15:43.29 | themill | rgsteele||work: if you really think that it makes sense to have the same binary in the two packages (and it rarely does), look at dpkg-divert. |
| 15:44.21 | nsadmin | are you authoring these packages? |
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| 15:44.33 | Audi-Addict | nsadmin: rm /etc/init.d/zabbix-server removed the file :/ |
| 15:45.13 | nsadmin | Audi-Addict: so now you'd have to copy it back in or rewrite it |
| 15:45.49 | nsadmin | you asked how to remove the link, and that's in man update-rc.d... did you read that? |
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| 15:46.33 | nsadmin | that program uses rm ON THE LINK to remove it... |
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| 15:46.53 | Audi-Addict | Right I read that |
| 15:47.24 | Audi-Addict | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.31 | nsadmin | what do you actually want to accomplish? |
| 15:47.40 | Audi-Addict | obviously fix my error.. |
| 15:47.42 | oxi | themill: thanks, I'll try that |
| 15:48.07 | nsadmin | Audi-Addict: to accomplish what? |
| 15:48.22 | Audi-Addict | see : http://pastebin.com/m2b9c19e5 |
| 15:48.25 | Audi-Addict | I want to undo this |
| 15:48.33 | nsadmin | I've completely lost track of what you wanted to do in the first place |
| 15:48.35 | Audi-Addict | so I try to remove this symlink |
| 15:48.41 | Audi-Addict | but it fails |
| 15:49.28 | rgsteele||work | themill: It's an upstream bug, but I do need to work around it. Trying to figure out what the best solution is. |
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| 15:49.55 | rgsteele||work | I could rebuild one of the packages and remove management of the file from it. |
| 15:50.03 | nsadmin | if the symlinks are located in /etc/rcRUNLEVEL.d/, why did you remove /etc/init.d/something? |
| 15:50.04 | themill | rgsteele||work: what packages are these? I thought you said you were making them yourself? |
| 15:50.15 | rgsteele||work | themill: backporting them from intrepid for use in hardy |
| 15:50.34 | rgsteele||work | grabbing source, using dpkg-source -x, tweaking the control/changelog, and dpkg-buildpackage'ing them. |
| 15:50.42 | rgsteele||work | heartbeat/pacemaker |
| 15:50.56 | nsadmin | Audi-Addict: you still have not told what you want to accomplish overall |
| 15:51.06 | themill | rgsteele||work: yes, removing the file from one would be the best plan, dpkg-divert would be plan B if it made sense for one of the packages to be installed without the other. |
| 15:51.17 | Audi-Addict | nsadmin: Ahh I want to add zabbix-server init.d script |
| 15:51.19 | Audi-Addict | to my bootup :) |
| 15:51.30 | themill | rgsteele||work: but please take ubuntu packaging questions to an ubuntu channel. |
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| 15:51.37 | nsadmin | ok, you did that when you ran that update-rc.d |
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| 15:51.52 | Audi-Addict | with defaults added at the end? |
| 15:51.59 | Audi-Addict | also see my pastebin |
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| 15:52.16 | rgsteele||work | themill: Sure, sorry, I wasn't actually looking for help with an Ubuntu bug - it was more a question of packaging procedures. |
| 15:52.37 | nsadmin | yes, the defaults are to which runlevel and when (relative to other server startups) it happens |
| 15:52.56 | rgsteele||work | And #ubuntu is worthless, filled with noobs. When I want a serious conversation about packaging paradigms, I'd much rather chat with you folks ;) |
| 15:53.39 | themill | rgsteele||work: even still, they sometimes have different ways of doing things and it's not that flattering to be treated as the #ubuntu-big-brother-with-clue. |
| 15:53.50 | nsadmin | is there a problem when running the script? have you tested it to see if it actually starts and stops the server? |
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| 15:54.18 | rgsteele||work | themill: Well, all the packaging rules I adhere to are from the Debian package maintainer's manual. |
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| 15:55.06 | rgsteele||work | Figured this was the most appropriate place to discuss it - apologies if I was mistaken. |
| 15:55.15 | stew | rgsteele||work: it sounds like you found a bug in a ubuntu package. you should file a bug in ubuntu, ask #ubuntu how |
| 15:55.22 | stew | rgsteele||work: this was not the most appropriate place |
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| 15:55.50 | rgsteele||work | stew: It's already been reported. My question was whether dpkg-divert or removing dependencies manually is the more accepted method according to the Debian New Maintainer's manual. |
| 15:55.55 | oxi | themill: SET GLOBAL collation_server='utf8_unicode_ci'; worked like a charm! |
| 15:55.57 | oxi | themill: thanks a lot! |
| 15:55.59 | oxi | themill: I somehow forgot to add "GLOBAL" at my tries and the SQL command was executed but didn't change anything |
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| 15:56.28 | nsadmin | rgsteele||work: the answer to that question would be in the manual... no? |
| 15:56.28 | themill | oxi: no worries. If you just ran that at the command line, note that it's not persistent across server restarts. |
| 15:56.36 | stew | rgsteele||work: having the two packages conflict and one Replaces: the other is the accepted method |
| 15:56.49 | stew | rgsteele||work: OR not having the packages be buggy would be the accepted method |
| 15:56.57 | oxi | themill: yeah, I guessed that it's not persistant, but thats fine, thanks! |
| 15:57.04 | rgsteele||work | nsadmin: Sure, but I didn't find it in the manual when I looked, so naturally I wanted another opinion. |
| 15:57.05 | Audi-Addict | nsadmin: thanks I rebooted and it's running.. |
| 15:57.05 | WormFood | I'm a little confused here...is wget not able to download everything needed to display a page offline? I can't get wget to download some img tags, but it downloads other img tags ok...of course, I've read the fuckin' man page until my eyes bleed. |
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| 15:57.16 | nsadmin | stew: is he writing these packages? |
| 15:57.21 | oxi | themill: I thought I could only set that by recompiling :-) |
| 15:57.31 | stew | nsadmin: no, they are buggy ubuntu packages he is trying to port from one version of ubuntu to another |
| 15:57.42 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 15:57.57 | rgsteele||work | It was more a question about packaging paradigms, but I apologize for bringing it to the wrong channel. |
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| 15:58.42 | stew | rgsteele||work: #ubuntu-devel then |
| 15:58.48 | WormFood | is there a program like wget, but that actually works? |
| 15:58.53 | azeem | WormFood: wget |
| 15:59.02 | nsadmin | rgsteele||work: it's probably the same or similar packaging system (remember that ubuntu could alter that) but very likely not the same rules for packaging as debian would have |
| 15:59.05 | WormFood | azeem, it does not work as advertised |
| 15:59.11 | azeem | WormFood: works for me |
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| 15:59.13 | azeem | *shrug* |
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| 15:59.21 | stew | WormFood: is wget following robots.txt perhaps? |
| 15:59.26 | WormFood | it does not download all the files I need to view a page offline |
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| 15:59.35 | nsadmin | WormFood: that would be a documentation bug |
| 15:59.54 | stew | WormFood: if there is a robots.txt, wget will adhere to it |
| 15:59.55 | WormFood | yeah, and that is another thing, what is the god damn switch to turn of that god damn robot.txt processing with wget |
| 16:00.03 | stew | WormFood: there isn't one |
| 16:00.10 | WormFood | god damn it! |
| 16:00.22 | WormFood | I've had to recompile wget from source in the past to get rid of that fuckin' shit |
| 16:00.32 | WormFood | why in the fuck don't they make that an option? |
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| 16:00.51 | nsadmin | because following robots.txt should not be an option? |
| 16:00.57 | WormFood | why not? |
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| 16:01.15 | epsas | hmm |
| 16:01.22 | epsas | i am trying to remember how i got around that before |
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| 16:01.41 | themill | oxi: yep... stick it into /etc/mysql/conf.d/utf8.cnf so you don't have to fiddle with the default config file for mysql -- that makes it much easier to handle upgrades in the future. |
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| 16:01.59 | stew | WormFood: becuase it must follow robots.txt in order to follow the protocol spec |
| 16:02.06 | WormFood | I can save a page with mozilla, but not wget....isn't that the whole function of wget, to download web pages? |
| 16:02.07 | SirStan | is there a apache site definition template/generator that works with a2enable ? |
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| 16:02.27 | stew | WormFood: yes, that is the main function of wget |
| 16:02.29 | WormFood | it should follow robots text, untill I tell it to not follow it |
| 16:02.40 | petemc | SirStan: its easy enough to write one |
| 16:02.46 | petemc | </unhelpful> |
| 16:02.51 | SirStan | petemc: :) |
| 16:02.59 | WormFood | after I explicitly tell it to ignore robots.txt, then it should ignore it, and do what the fuck I ask of it! |
| 16:03.06 | \amethyst | WormFood: you can turn it off |
| 16:03.06 | SirStan | petemc: i suppose though. |
| 16:03.09 | oxi | themill: cool! but I think I don't have one of those utf8.cnf's, I only have a /etc/mysql/my.cn |
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| 16:03.24 | SirStan | petemc: it just seems like something someone has done before.. ./script domain user |
| 16:03.26 | themill | oxi: the conf.d directory will be empty by default. |
| 16:03.29 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.35 | oxi | themill: could you binpaste me yours please? .... would it be loaded automatically if I chuck it into there? |
| 16:03.41 | WormFood | I thought I remembered some hidden options for it |
| 16:04.01 | petemc | SirStan: it certainly has been done before, probably theres a few floating around on the web - i did one for a hosting company a few years back |
| 16:04.08 | \amethyst | WormFood: info wget, search for robots = |
| 16:04.14 | themill | oxi: as long as it ends in .cnf it will get loaded. http://rafb.net/p/2o9HNK35.html |
| 16:04.46 | oxi | themill: very nice! .... thanks a lot! that was very helpful to me! |
| 16:04.52 | themill | np |
| 16:04.55 | fluxdude | does anyone here use preseeding to actually configure the network interface for the final system? |
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| 16:05.03 | \amethyst | WormFood: it's a wgetrc command (which can be used via --execute for one-shots) |
| 16:05.12 | WormFood | robots = on/off |
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| 16:05.33 | WormFood | yeah, that is what I remembered \amethyst...thanks for reminding me....I totally forgot to check the info page |
| 16:05.34 | fluxdude | I am finding that it just uses dhcp, leaving the last bit to me, which is not the way I want it to work |
| 16:05.50 | fluxdude | i have tried using a late command to hack the config files but it hasn't worked... |
| 16:05.55 | fluxdude | any suggestions? |
| 16:06.24 | \amethyst | WormFood: it's weird though |
| 16:06.37 | WormFood | that did the trick, I added robots=off to my ~/.wgetrc file |
| 16:06.37 | \amethyst | WormFood: if you're just getting a single page wget shouldn't use robots.txt |
| 16:06.44 | WormFood | why the fuck isn't that mentioned in the man page? |
| 16:06.49 | WormFood | that is what I'm doing |
| 16:06.52 | nsadmin | fluxdude: none until you say what you DO want |
| 16:06.55 | WormFood | trying to get a single page |
| 16:07.04 | \amethyst | what's the wget command? |
| 16:07.28 | themill | WormFood: btw remember to be polite about how you use norobots with wget. Site admins typically construct robots.txt files to try to stop rampaging robots getting confused and endlessly downloading each page of a perpetual calendar (for example). |
| 16:07.43 | themill | WormFood: (it sounds like you are if you're using it on a single page though...) |
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| 16:07.56 | fluxdude | nsadmin: i want the system to deduce it's ip address from dns and then set that as static |
| 16:08.02 | WormFood | well, actually, I'm using it to get 31 pages |
| 16:08.05 | nsadmin | how would it know? |
| 16:08.14 | WormFood | yeah, I'm smart enough to not try to download the entire site |
| 16:08.33 | nsadmin | would you supply its name? |
| 16:08.33 | WormFood | also, smart enough to know not to try to download recursive stuff |
| 16:08.43 | fluxdude | yes i supply the name as boot param |
| 16:08.56 | fluxdude | if no name supplied then use dhcp |
| 16:09.17 | nsadmin | oh, that would be a boot up script or a networking script |
| 16:09.18 | \amethyst | WormFood: is this a web site you maintain? |
| 16:09.20 | themill | WormFood: a lot of robots aren't and a lot of wget users aren't, hence it being on by default. (Even google wasn't a good netizen to begin with and ignore robots.txt for a while...) |
| 16:09.43 | WormFood | so there you go stew, you edit the .wgetrc file to ignore robots.txt...I knew it was possible ;P |
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| 16:09.58 | WormFood | no \amethyst, I just want to download these pages for offline viewing. |
| 16:10.05 | \amethyst | WormFood: it may be illegal |
| 16:10.11 | WormFood | so I can view them on my N800, while I'm on the road |
| 16:10.21 | WormFood | what may be illegal? |
| 16:10.24 | nsadmin | how would they be able to tell? |
| 16:10.39 | fluxdude | nsadmin: i want it done one time only at preseed installation though, not to put a script there for every boot |
| 16:10.45 | \amethyst | WormFood: obtaining unauthorized access to a computer system |
| 16:10.53 | fluxdude | I have tried editing the network interfaces file in-target in preseed |
| 16:11.00 | fluxdude | ugly hack |
| 16:11.05 | themill | fluxdude: what's the advantage of going that rather than just using dhcp? |
| 16:11.13 | fluxdude | although that kinda sums up preseed anyway |
| 16:11.22 | WormFood | huh? unauthorized? it is a web page on the internet, that does not need a user name or password to access the page. |
| 16:11.25 | fluxdude | themill: it's a server, it should have static ip |
| 16:11.46 | \amethyst | WormFood: by putting a directory in robots.txt they have indicated that they do not consider automated scripts to be authorized to access the webpage |
| 16:11.48 | fluxdude | themill: i do not want to have to put in the networking details afterwards. |
| 16:12.03 | nsadmin | fluxdude: it's a simple matter of writing /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:12.14 | fluxdude | themill: it's simpler since there are no user accounts and the root account is locked except for ssh key access so I need to know the ip to ssh to... |
| 16:12.26 | WormFood | this isn't automated per se, this is me directing it, very specifically....while it may be automated to download the pages I ask for, it is not automated to download the entire site. |
| 16:12.41 | fluxdude | nsadmin: yes except it hasn't worked so far... preseed it thin on documentation and thinner on clever examples |
| 16:12.54 | WormFood | in fact, I stopped it many times to keep it from downloading more than I wanted, while I tweak the options |
| 16:13.07 | fluxdude | have read so many web pages... but relatively little information on fine details of preseed |
| 16:13.08 | themill | fluxdude: don't you just use "d-i netcfg/get_ipaddress string 192.168.1.42" as per the examples? |
| 16:13.17 | nsadmin | do you know the / partition for each server? |
| 16:13.17 | fluxdude | themill: did that but it didn't work |
| 16:13.49 | WormFood | also, I'm saving them bandwidth, because I expect to redistribute these pages on a torrent. |
| 16:13.49 | themill | fluxdude: then I'd look harder at that... I find it hard to believe that it doesn't work |
| 16:13.50 | fluxdude | themill: that was the very first thing I tried yesterday, but it still uses dhcp unless I disable it explicitly, but then all systems end up with the same ip address |
| 16:14.23 | fluxdude | so I would have to change the preseed configuration for every host in advance which someone defeats the point of automated installation... |
| 16:14.30 | nsadmin | themill/fluxdude: and besides, "doesn't work" isn't sufficiently informative |
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| 16:14.36 | nickgrey147 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.37 | fluxdude | this is why figuring it out from the hostname is the way to go |
| 16:14.39 | nickgrey147 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.47 | themill | fluxdude: You'd write the preseed file from a script that increments the IP address. And yes, you'd expect to have to add d-i netcfg/disable_dhcp boolean true too. |
| 16:15.28 | WormFood | nickgrey147, use group permissions |
| 16:15.41 | fluxdude | themill: i think having one preseed which figures itself out is smarter... have done a build system for kickstart but cannot be bothered to do that again, not when you can pass stuff on the boot param line |
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| 16:15.57 | fluxdude | and have it figure itself out |
| 16:16.11 | nsadmin | nickgrey147: give a few examples... for a dir, the user could own that dir |
| 16:17.11 | nickgrey147 | WormFood: i dont want the user to own the dir , just to have rights to edit it |
| 16:17.25 | themill | fluxdude: true. Automagical would be nice. Write one! Submit it! |
| 16:17.36 | nickgrey147 | is wormfood a bot |
| 16:17.43 | nsadmin | nickgrey147: who do you NOT want to edit it? |
| 16:17.51 | WormFood | why would I be a bot? |
| 16:17.58 | nickgrey147 | ok just checking lol |
| 16:17.59 | nickgrey147 | soz |
| 16:18.07 | nickgrey147 | ok ill explain from the begining |
| 16:18.29 | WormFood | there are different ways to give people permission to edit files in a directory |
| 16:18.39 | WormFood | it all depends on what you're trying to do |
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| 16:19.32 | nickgrey147 | i need to log into a ftp and edit another directory other than my own , but i can fix it cos i can also ssh into the machine cos iam admin , i just dont know how to get auth on another dir other than my own |
| 16:19.37 | WormFood | if I have a string like ABCD, how do I strip off the "CD" part (just keep the first 2 characters) with sed? |
| 16:20.01 | nsadmin | if you want some users on that box to not edit, then you need to look into group permissions |
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| 16:20.34 | themill | fluxdude: if you're using preseed/url then you can trivially have a CGI that increments the IP for you |
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| 16:20.49 | maheshm | hi |
| 16:20.56 | maheshm | Installing dependency for debian installer is failing |
| 16:21.03 | WormFood | come on, no sed experts here? |
| 16:21.06 | nickgrey147 | nsadmin: it doesnt matter who edits it i just need to be able to edit it aswell |
| 16:21.36 | WormFood | I can't get my limited knowledge of sed to do it for me (I know how to do it with awk, but I know sed is the better tool for the job) |
| 16:21.38 | nsadmin | so you could own it and add others to a group |
| 16:21.45 | maheshm | This is what i get from apt-get: Note, selecting libc6-pic instead of glibc-pic. E: Build-dependencies for debian-installer could not be satisfied. |
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| 16:22.07 | nickgrey147 | nsadmin: ahhhhhh! i see what you did there , lol sorry was being stupid |
| 16:22.15 | maheshm | any idea? |
| 16:22.18 | WormFood | I got it...I was using ?? instead of .. |
| 16:22.28 | WormFood | sed 's/..$//' |
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| 16:22.57 | nickgrey147 | nsadmin: thanks :D |
| 16:23.04 | nsadmin | that would take the last two off, only leaving the first two if the string is 4 chars |
| 16:25.38 | maheshm | debian-boot is not responding |
| 16:25.46 | maheshm | thats why asked here |
| 16:26.06 | nsadmin | nickgrey147: if you have ACLs you could do something different, but I was assuming you want to stick with traditional unix-style perms |
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| 16:31.05 | Amanieu | I just installed sid on one of my computers, but all incoming connections to it are blocked (connection refused). |
| 16:31.51 | cirwin | firewalled? |
| 16:31.54 | nsadmin | Amanieu: so you're going to solve that yourself? |
| 16:32.08 | Amanieu | iptables are empty |
| 16:32.25 | cirwin | does anyone know why vino-server runs despite it being disabled? |
| 16:32.25 | stew | Amanieu: how are you testing? what are you expecting to be able to connect to? |
| 16:33.04 | oxi | hi |
| 16:33.25 | nsadmin | Amanieu: perhaps you have nothing running that's listening at any ports |
| 16:33.26 | oxi | what's the idea where to keep non-public files and cgi-scripts in debian? |
| 16:33.39 | Amanieu | I've got another computer on a LAN. I can connect to that computer (I set up a small webserver for testing). |
| 16:33.48 | oxi | I'd like to stick to most common standards |
| 16:34.12 | Hydroxide | understandably |
| 16:34.21 | Hydroxide | wrong window, sorry |
| 16:34.21 | oxi | I guess temporary files created by cgi/php/whatever hosting should be created in /tmp ? |
| 16:34.22 | nsadmin | oxi: perhaps that depends on the configuration of the web server |
| 16:34.23 | Amanieu | nsadmin: I have sshd and apache running. I can connect from localhost, but not from any other computer. |
| 16:34.31 | Amanieu | Both computers can ping each other fine. |
| 16:34.55 | cirwin | oxi: use tmpfile() from php |
| 16:35.03 | cirwin | I think there is a /var/cgi directory |
| 16:35.56 | oxi | nsadmin: ok. what's the most common approach if you are the sysadmin and it's not a multiuser environment? |
| 16:35.58 | oxi | clrwin: great, thanks! |
| 16:36.00 | oxi | clrwin: and where do you put non-public scripts? |
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| 16:36.27 | oxi | let's say you have a php script that does a shell escape and calls a shell script to create a pdf with latex, where would you place that shell script? |
| 16:36.30 | cirwin | in my home directory, normally |
| 16:36.40 | nsadmin | oxi: if there are no other users, how do you define "non-public"? |
| 16:36.40 | oxi | clrwin: great, thanks |
| 16:36.46 | cirwin | it could be in /cgi though |
| 16:36.52 | cirwin | /var/cgi |
| 16:36.56 | cirwin | as that isn't in the webroot |
| 16:37.01 | oxi | nsadmin: non accessible through http |
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| 16:37.16 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
| 16:37.34 | nsadmin | so that also depends on the config of the web server |
| 16:37.40 | themill | oxi: this is a script that you're going to run from the command line (not via the web server?) |
| 16:38.08 | oxi | nsamdin: yeah, I have a pretty much default debian setup and I'd like to keep it simple and unfanc |
| 16:38.11 | oxi | *unfancy |
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| 16:38.20 | themill | oxi: or are you meaning the script that is called by php to call latex? |
| 16:38.34 | oxi | themill: exaclty |
| 16:38.48 | oxi | thought I don't know if that's terribly bad practice |
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| 16:39.27 | themill | oxi: the combination of php, shellouts and dynamically calling latex absolutely terrify me.... |
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| 16:39.30 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 16:39.39 | cirwin | not terribly bad, but you need to be very careful about input escaping - particularly if you allow uploading of LaTeX, there's almost no way to sanitize it |
| 16:39.41 | oxi | I'm not so aware of good conventions and common setups that simply fit a debian default install |
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| 16:39.52 | oxi | themill: hehe, ok |
| 16:40.03 | edwin_quijada | Somebody knows how can I assign a command shell result to php variable |
| 16:40.15 | oxi | themill: do you have some keywords how you'd fix that terrifying setup? |
| 16:40.20 | cirwin | edwin_quijada: http://uk2.php.net/manual/en/function.system.php |
| 16:40.28 | nsadmin | edwin_quijada: #php? |
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| 16:40.42 | oxi | cirwin: true, I'll be paranoid about input |
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| 16:40.59 | edwin_quijada | thks |
| 16:41.20 | themill | oxi: not using any of those things would be a good start! There are ways of making PDFs directly within PHP that might be preferable to going to the shell and then latex. |
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| 16:41.34 | cirwin | oxi: don't forget that TeX has commands that allow you to change which characters are the escape chars |
| 16:41.56 | themill | and that shell exec is possible from within TeX (although it should be disabled by default) |
| 16:42.05 | oxi | themill: true, but I did look deeply into that. I need TeX/LaTeX for my project as it's way more powerful than any php lib |
| 16:42.16 | oxi | cirwin: true |
| 16:42.31 | oxi | themill: yeah, that's true |
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| 16:42.36 | njk- | quick question re:chroots |
| 16:42.40 | nsadmin | why do you need more power? |
| 16:42.41 | themill | oxi: yes. latex > * for that. Just be really careful... |
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| 16:43.00 | cirwin | why reinvent the wheel, LaTeX is very good at what it does |
| 16:43.01 | beni- | hi guys... i have a problem with the debian installer... i started and came to the partition guide, but then changed the disk (usb disk) is it now possible to run the partition guide again (for the new disk)? |
| 16:43.09 | njk- | we have a couple different chroot environments around and i've noticed that they all have their own "/dev" directory |
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| 16:43.11 | oxi | themill: I'll try to |
| 16:43.31 | njk- | i am curious if they should have their own, or rather mount the host systems /dev directory |
| 16:43.31 | oxi | nsadmin: it's about generating payment slips |
| 16:43.54 | nsadmin | cirwin: true... but my question is simply does he really need that |
| 16:43.54 | oxi | nsadmin: I had very good experience with TeX |
| 16:43.54 | cirwin | njk-: if they mounted the system one, they'd get access to all devices? |
| 16:44.05 | njk- | i assume so, yes |
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| 16:44.11 | themill | cirwin: you have to deal with temp files, shell execs and lots of other horridness to generate it. There are incentives to not go anywhere near that. |
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| 16:44.21 | njk- | is that a bad thing? |
| 16:44.33 | njk- | hmm, i guess that could be bad |
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| 16:44.39 | cirwin | well, yes |
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| 16:44.51 | cirwin | though only if there are some bad permissions-stuff happening |
| 16:44.53 | njk- | so these aren't jails btw... |
| 16:45.00 | cirwin | cat /dev/random > /dev/sda1 :D |
| 16:45.02 | wekt | !hal |
| 16:45.02 | dpkg | somebody said hal was a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes. |
| 16:45.14 | njk- | these chroots are for cross compilation |
| 16:45.56 | oxi | themill: yeah, that's what I fear |
| 16:45.58 | oxi | themill: I don't like that part either, the shell escape part |
| 16:46.00 | oxi | I ever feel bad doing shell escapes |
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| 16:46.18 | oxi | though I'd guess it would be possible to jail the shell it's escaping to |
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| 16:47.12 | nsadmin | oxi: what if you were to use a templating system? |
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| 16:47.29 | mwalle | hi |
| 16:47.30 | oxi | nsadmin: yeah, I am: LaTeX :-) |
| 16:47.47 | oxi | I wrote my own class/template files in TeX ;-) |
| 16:47.59 | nsadmin | which pretty much requires you to use a shell |
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| 16:48.06 | oxi | nsadmin: yeah, but I know what you mean :-) |
| 16:48.12 | mwalle | the following c file triggers an internal error with gcc in lenny: http://paste.debian.net/36573/ |
| 16:48.17 | oxi | nsadmin: true |
| 16:48.19 | foetus | now i'm under winXP :-( |
| 16:48.32 | mwalle | anyone hiere with testing/unstable who could try to compile it? |
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| 16:48.59 | nsadmin | oxi: maybe something like this: http://openacs.org/doc/acs-templating/demo/ |
| 16:49.08 | foetus | but its the client only..testing self compiled squid..don't worry:) |
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| 16:49.57 | oxi | nsadmin: nice, thanks for the ideas |
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| 16:50.05 | oxi | nsadmin: I'll have a look at that |
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| 16:51.36 | isbear | mwalle: segfaults |
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| 16:52.05 | mwalle | isbear, gcc version? unstable? |
| 16:52.19 | nsadmin | oxi: in a system like that, the web server has an additional parser for html which defines additional tags meant to cause data sources (that are produced from a script) to be rendered |
| 16:52.34 | isbear | mwalle: 4.3.3-10 |
| 16:52.53 | oxi | nsadmin: I see |
| 16:52.56 | themill | nsadmin: compiles under etch, storage size of s isn't know with lenny gcc 4.3.2, segfaults with sid 4.3.3 |
| 16:53.00 | cirwin | same problem with "gcc version 4.3.3 (Debian 4.3.3-3) " (fwiw) |
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| 16:53.05 | themill | argh mwalle^^ |
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| 16:53.25 | nsadmin | mwalle: there is also a #gcc here |
| 16:53.37 | creature_ | how do you modify the parameters for gspca webcam? |
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| 16:53.52 | mwalle | nsadmin, ok thx, have to go, will ask later |
| 16:54.06 | creature_ | like brightness and contrast |
| 16:55.15 | jmoncayo | hey guys, how can i add x permission to the group? |
| 16:55.45 | ranix | adduser www-data sound |
| 16:55.48 | ranix | for example |
| 16:55.54 | ranix | that actual example would be retarded |
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| 16:56.33 | jpinx-eeepc | I have just resized an ntfs partition without errors, resized the partition and can see all the data:) The new ext3 partition I created is showing in fdisk -l but I can not mount it. any clues please? |
| 16:56.44 | themill | mwalle: also segfaults with gcc-snapshot (gcc 4.5.0 from experimental) |
| 16:57.16 | cirwin | jmoncayo: chmod g+x |
| 16:57.24 | cirwin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod |
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| 16:57.38 | jpinx-eeepc | I also can not mkfs on the newly created partition |
| 16:57.41 | ranix | jpinx-eeepc: it's likely the kernel hasn't reread the new partition table |
| 16:58.12 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix - ok - how to force it to read the new table? |
| 16:58.12 | ranix | jpinx-eeepc: sometimes the disk needs to be removed/reinserted so the kernel can reread the table. Something about the way that ioctl behaves oddly right now |
| 16:58.17 | jpinx-eeepc | apart from re-boot;) |
| 16:58.33 | ranix | if it's sata just yank it and plug it back in |
| 16:58.39 | ranix | if it's ide you gotta reboot |
| 16:58.49 | jpinx-eeepc | naw - it's an old ide:( |
| 16:58.55 | jmoncayo | cirwin: thanks, i already fucked it up then i used chmod +g=x lol |
| 16:59.05 | ranix | yeah I don't know what's wrong with the ioctl, it may be a legacy IDE problem |
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| 16:59.22 | jpinx-eeepc | bugger - just when I thought I'd left windoze behind:( ;( |
| 16:59.58 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks ranix - |
| 17:00.01 | ranix | np |
| 17:00.10 | ranix | at least it's a hardware issue more than a software issue |
| 17:00.13 | ranix | ;) |
| 17:00.19 | ranix | nothing wrong with rebooting for your hardware |
| 17:01.46 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - just that I have a lot of ssh -x and rdesktop things going on:( |
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| 17:12.58 | DivineAnt | hi, I have a tar problem. I want to stream a tarball on the fly through a php download script, but the resulting tarball contains the full path of each file |
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| 17:13.18 | lepine | !locale |
| 17:13.18 | dpkg | from memory, locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 17:13.28 | DivineAnt | im using "tar c /path/to/file /different/path/to/file" |
| 17:14.44 | DivineAnt | i only want the files in the tarball, but the only option i can think of is C which i cant use because i dont want entire directories |
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| 17:15.20 | DivineAnt | and the alternative is to copy to a temp direcory, but thats stupid if i can avoid it |
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| 17:16.07 | seniorake | I'm not sure what this is all about, but i wanted to figure out the memory usage of a process. I used top which displays memory-usage when pressinf F and then S |
| 17:16.30 | seniorake | now there is a process, which seems to use "220m", which are afaik 220MB RAM, but the percentage shows 0.8% |
| 17:16.51 | seniorake | I have 1GB ram, so this should be 25%, not 0.8 ... any ideas what this means? |
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| 17:18.15 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: rebooting didn't work - still can't mount the newly created ext3 partition, though fdisk -l sees it |
| 17:18.37 | ranix | jpinx-eeepc: what does /dev/hdx[0-9] have available |
| 17:18.51 | ranix | do you have your hdx0, hdx1, etc? |
| 17:19.06 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: it's /dev/hdc3 |
| 17:19.13 | ranix | jpinx-eeepc: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdc3 |
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| 17:19.32 | ranix | then you should be able to mount it |
| 17:20.06 | jpinx-eeepc | ah - I thought I had to do mkfs on it after mounting - not before |
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| 17:20.15 | ranix | yeah I ran into that a couple weeks ago |
| 17:20.20 | jpinx-eeepc | ok - running mkfs |
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| 17:20.38 | themill | DivineAnt: "zip" has options to strip the path names (flatten or something, it's called). Or try the PEAR tar module which will be more flexible for this. |
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| 17:21.44 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: w00t :) thanks |
| 17:21.53 | jpinx-eeepc | .beer ranix |
| 17:22.03 | themill | DivineAnt: If all the files are on the same filesystem, then you could use a tempdir with hard links which is at least very fast to create and destroy. Or you could use a dir full of symlinks with tar -h. |
| 17:22.06 | jpinx-eeepc | !beer ranix |
| 17:22.06 | dpkg | pulls out an exquisite Franziskaner Hefeweizen for ranix |
| 17:22.12 | ranix | /flex |
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| 17:23.42 | DivineAnt | themill, thanks, symlinks seems to be a reasonable quickfix while I look into doing it properly with pear |
| 17:24.19 | themill | DivineAnt: yeah. Just make sure you safely create the tempdir |
| 17:25.36 | DivineAnt | themill, you mean just create it outside wwwroot, or do you have other considerations? |
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| 17:27.43 | themill | DivineAnt: there have been lots of lovely attacks in the past where a tempdir or tempfile is not created in such a way that the program knows that it has been created especially for it. $badguy then does something like "ln -s /tmp/mytempfile /etc/passwd" (or /bin/bash or whatever) and watches you accidentally scribble over system files, perhaps allowing them too then do what they want. |
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| 17:29.05 | themill | DivineAnt: in shell, you'd use something like "mktemp -t -d myscript.XXXXXXXX" (man mktemp for details). There should be an equivalent for php but I don't know what it is off the top of my head. |
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| 17:29.25 | apostle | system freezes whenever I click system in gnome-panel |
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| 17:30.33 | themill | DivineAnt: tempnam() is close to what you want, but only does single files not directories which is useless to you. |
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| 17:32.59 | joe-mac | can somebody tell me what to add to a preseed file for debian-installer that makes verbose and/or debug logs |
| 17:33.15 | joe-mac | need to figure out why this isn't parsing, yet parses on the buikld server with debconf-set-selections... |
| 17:33.39 | DivineAnt | themill, im not giving write access to any of the files, so i would think that proper acl will suffice, for now. and its only music files that goes in there, so the system should be safe, even if i screw something up |
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| 17:35.37 | DivineAnt | themill, so for now i think my priority is 1) make it work with symlinks; 1.5) se if i can make it safe; 2) look in to pear |
| 17:36.25 | themill | DivineAnt: you would be making links into a directory. What if that directory were linked (before you started filling it) to /etc/profile.d/ or /etc/rc2.d/ ? |
| 17:37.00 | themill | DivineAnt: Realise that one of the the reasons php has such a bad name is that you have (1) and (1.5) back to front. |
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| 17:38.42 | LiCeT | hi all |
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| 17:40.20 | markusy | hello |
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| 17:40.30 | markusy | is it possible to re-download all the packages installed on a box? |
| 17:40.38 | markusy | I want to have a copy of all the .debs i installed from repos a long time ago |
| 17:40.49 | LiCeT | my startup takes 2min 45sec..... 2min 10sec sleeping time init |
| 17:40.55 | vizz_ | markusy: look at /var/cache/apt/archive |
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| 17:41.05 | LiCeT | is there any way to check why the sleeping? |
| 17:41.06 | markusy | its clean, apt-get autoclean was ran |
| 17:41.42 | Caelum | how do you make a screenshot from mplayer? |
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| 17:42.01 | Caelum | never mind |
| 17:42.35 | themill | markusy: autoclean deletes debs that you can't download any more with your current sources.list (i.e. you shouldn't have them installed any more... you need to aptitude {safe,full}-upgrade). In that case, they might be on snapshots. /msg dpkg sdn |
| 17:42.38 | greycat | LiCeT: init (process ID 1) is supposed to sleep a lot. It hands control over to /etc/init.d/rc |
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| 17:42.58 | themill | LiCeT: try bootchart. Or just don't reboot, which is my favoured solution |
| 17:43.31 | LiCeT | thats why i now the times...i used bootchart |
| 17:43.33 | greycat | markusy: there's apt-get --reinstall --download-only install pkgname pkgname ... |
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| 17:43.47 | greycat | I might have misspelled the download-only option name. Check the man page. |
| 17:43.58 | abrotman | that's correct |
| 17:43.59 | LiCeT | greycat: is there any way to optimize? |
| 17:44.11 | greycat | LiCeT: remove services you don't need |
| 17:44.45 | greycat | LiCeT: if something in particular is hanging at boot time due to DNS lookup failures (sendmail *cough* *cough*), then you can attack that one particular problem. |
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| 17:45.20 | LiCeT | well...bootchart just show init sleeping time nearly 130sec |
| 17:45.26 | LiCeT | no particular process |
| 17:45.28 | DivineAnt | themill, you have some valid points, and ill take them into consideration before it is implemented on a public accesible server, for now i just need something fast for my intranet, but you definitly opened my eyes to various security aspects that i was un aware of |
| 17:45.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | LiCeT, push services you need first "to the front" if possible |
| 17:45.34 | greycat | init is supposed to sleep |
| 17:45.52 | themill | DivineAnt: glad to be of service! Have fun with it. |
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| 17:46.07 | LiCeT | CutMeOwnThroat: don't know how to be sincere |
| 17:46.25 | greycat | LiCeT: the order of the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d |
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| 17:47.00 | themill | greycat: if apt-get autoclean deleted the packages then I can't see how download-only isn't going to get them back. |
| 17:47.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also a tool to help with that... whose name I forgot :) |
| 17:47.10 | LiCeT | ? |
| 17:47.14 | greycat | themill: I thought he wanted to re-download them. |
| 17:47.17 | markusy | greycat: apt-get --reinstall --download-only install? |
| 17:47.26 | greycat | markusy: check the man page to make sure I spelled it right. |
| 17:47.27 | markusy | what if the packages are old enough, they might not be on the repo? |
| 17:47.32 | themill | greycat: yes, but autoclean only deletes them if they *can't* be downloaded |
| 17:47.37 | greycat | markusy: then adjust your sources.list |
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| 17:48.44 | greycat | *shrug* Maybe I don't understand the question. |
| 17:49.23 | themill | markusy: if those specific versions are no longer in the archive, then sdn is your only hope. |
| 17:50.38 | LiCeT | greycat: what about the order of symlinks? |
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| 17:50.45 | greycat | LiCeT: that's the order in which they are executed |
| 17:51.44 | LiCeT | dont know how to handle it |
| 17:52.26 | stew | LiCeT: please don't do that |
| 17:52.34 | LiCeT | ups sorry |
| 17:52.36 | LiCeT | to all |
| 17:52.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | LiCeT, possibly also http://www.techthrob.com/2009/03/02/drastically-speed-up-your-linux-system-with-preload/ |
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| 17:53.00 | WormFood | LiCeT, are you enjoying your little flood of version responses? |
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| 17:53.25 | ranix | what is that even for |
| 17:53.29 | LiCeT | sorry again |
| 17:53.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ranix, fun :) |
| 17:54.09 | LiCeT | i'll try CutMeOwnThroat |
| 17:54.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | ranix, you can make statistics about what people made up to let ctcp version tell you :) |
| 17:54.29 | greycat | pretends to be running irssi on HP-UX! |
| 17:54.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, I think I out-obscured you there |
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| 17:55.03 | greycat | I'm also pretending to be pretending. |
| 17:55.11 | bododo | howdy howdy :) |
| 17:55.31 | LiCeT | its for processes...not for startup |
| 17:55.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I'm not... so... 1:1, I guess |
| 17:55.42 | bododo | I'd like to make my ibook G4 run debian instead of the current ubuntu |
| 17:55.50 | greycat | LiCeT: startup IS a bunch of processes. Once the kernel is done and has spawned init. |
| 17:56.03 | bododo | should I dare? (I don't have tons of spare time :() |
| 17:56.04 | ranix | bizarre |
| 17:57.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | bododo, http://seb.france.free.fr/linux/ibookG4/iBookG4-howto.html |
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| 17:57.48 | bododo | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks! :) |
| 17:57.50 | WormFood | interesting...I had not heard of the "preload" app before...sounds interesting. |
| 17:58.01 | WormFood | I will download and check it out (already installed) |
| 17:58.09 | WormFood | I notice I can type text faster now |
| 17:58.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, bit fishy that it should increase boot time... |
| 17:58.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hadn't heard of it either |
| 17:58.30 | WormFood | don't know, have to try it out |
| 17:58.32 | greycat | one would hope it would decrease time... |
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| 17:58.35 | WormFood | that is why I loaded it |
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| 17:58.48 | cgibin | hello all, i wondering if anyone know how i can make the folder read as a ftp, upon upload it redirects to a different server |
| 17:58.52 | WormFood | as long as it don't make my system slower, and/or crash my system, I have nothing to lose |
| 17:58.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, there's actually two similar ones - but this is the one that claims to be loaded early enough to help boot time |
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| 17:59.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, but I don't think I want to use it - I normally notice when my HD is running without reason and then assume something is wrong... |
| 17:59.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I might get irritated :) |
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| 18:00.01 | WormFood | cgibin, that is not possible with ftp, unless you mount the remote ftp server, as a file system somehow, and just pretend to be local |
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| 18:00.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | there it is |
| 18:00.39 | WormFood | in theory, you should be able to setup the file transfer to not use your bandwidth, but I know of no way to do that (I don't know an ftp server that supports that) |
| 18:00.40 | votan | i cant compile astrolog AT ALL |
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| 18:01.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, you understood that question?! |
| 18:01.24 | WormFood | which question...the ftp one? |
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| 18:01.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 18:01.29 | WormFood | sure |
| 18:01.30 | greycat | I won't even try to guess whether it's possible. It sounds really very strange. |
| 18:01.36 | WormFood | I'm a network administrator :P |
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| 18:01.44 | WormFood | it is not possible |
| 18:01.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not the point, the question just seems obscure |
| 18:01.54 | WormFood | you can do it with http, real easily |
| 18:02.04 | WormFood | not really, it sounds legit to me |
| 18:02.04 | maximi89 | tengo un drama con una tarjeta grafica |
| 18:02.04 | maximi89 | sorry ahaha |
| 18:02.15 | cgibin | WormFood: anything can help me to mount remote ftp server as a file system |
| 18:02.23 | greycat | cgibin: standard NFS |
| 18:02.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, I'll also try preload :) let's see if it's annoying :) |
| 18:02.36 | cgibin | thank you. |
| 18:02.50 | sylarrr | anyone know if 'intel matrix raid' is mature yet? |
| 18:02.53 | WormFood | say for example, you have a warez server, and you don't actually have any warez, but you can redirect them to some remote system, so you change the ftp server, and all your users login to the same ftp address (I only use that as an example) |
| 18:02.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | cgibin, or samba or sshfs |
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| 18:02.59 | greycat | cgibin: assuming you're talking about two servers that are trying to cooperate somehow -- *NOT* talking about "my FTP client wants to make the FTP server appear as a local directory" |
| 18:03.11 | greycat | cgibin: (the latter may also be possible, but it wouldn't involve NFS) |
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| 18:03.39 | WormFood | there is no provision in the ftp protocol to redirect clients to different server, like there is in http |
| 18:03.40 | cgibin | i got this folder upon upload i like that upload to go else where, |
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| 18:03.52 | cgibin | meaning to different server |
| 18:03.59 | WormFood | you can link files on the same server, and make copies of files appear different places |
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| 18:04.19 | WormFood | I know cgibin, I'm saying it is not possible in the current state of the ftp protocol |
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| 18:04.33 | WormFood | perhaps they will update that ancient, aging protocol with something better. |
| 18:04.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, hm, that preload should have at least one good correlation - when iceweasel stops, it's restarted :) |
| 18:04.41 | cgibin | i see what you mean, using sshfs will allow me right |
| 18:04.43 | ranix | cgibin: there are client-specific ways to run a hyperlink from ftp |
| 18:05.38 | ranix | cgibin: but that's very client-specific |
| 18:05.38 | WormFood | I don't know about sshfs |
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| 18:05.39 | cgibin | ln -s dont have any option that i can use |
| 18:05.39 | greycat | I still don't quite understand what cgibin is trying to achieve> |
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| 18:05.39 | ranix | i.e. internet explorer can execute a windows .url file from ftp |
| 18:05.39 | WormFood | the only one I know of that can do that is http |
| 18:05.43 | borman | hi! I'm trying to reproduce a .mov with mplayer and I can't anyone knows something about? |
| 18:05.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, it's just a fuse-based mount via ssh (it's slow on reacting, I found) |
| 18:05.45 | greycat | If you don't want people to upload to you because you lack the space, just turn off write permission. |
| 18:05.53 | WormFood | if the user is using a web browser to view the ftp site, then it should be possible to redirect them with an html header |
| 18:06.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | borman, "reproduce"? |
| 18:06.18 | borman | watch :s |
| 18:06.18 | greycat | borman: do you mean "play"? |
| 18:06.19 | cgibin | WormFood, i see what you mean, |
| 18:06.21 | greycat | borman: #mplayer |
| 18:06.25 | borman | yesp |
| 18:06.29 | cgibin | any examples can help me out, |
| 18:06.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell borman -about dmm |
| 18:06.44 | WormFood | anyways...it is 2 am here, and I want to do some things before I go to bed |
| 18:06.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | borman, borman install w32codecs (I guess) |
| 18:06.53 | WormFood | I'll talk with you guys later, åè§ |
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| 18:07.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | (see factoid) |
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| 18:07.33 | borman | I've installed this codecs yesp |
| 18:07.51 | publunch | Hello. famd is using nearly all my cpu and I don't know why. Any ideas? Is this the right place to ask? |
| 18:09.23 | greycat | publunch: sounds like a bug, but I wouldn't have any idea how to solve it other than "report it and hope you can scrounge up enough detail to help the maintainers fix it" |
| 18:09.42 | publunch | Thanks greycat |
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| 18:14.00 | scientes | how can i download a security patch and self-apply? |
| 18:14.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | self-apply?! |
| 18:14.18 | scientes | well its squirrelmail |
| 18:14.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | you just do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 18:14.26 | scientes | and ive changed my install |
| 18:14.32 | scientes | and it would override that |
| 18:14.50 | scientes | interpreted languages, allow easy modifications |
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| 18:15.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should make a patch from your modifications... |
| 18:16.04 | greycat | or, make a patch from the difference between the two .debs |
| 18:16.27 | themill | publunch: killing famd often works. Changing over the gamin seems to work out better for me though. |
| 18:16.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that feels messier |
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| 18:17.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you make a patch of your changes, you can add it to the patches in the source-package |
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| 18:20.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, what about bugs in packages from dmm? does the regular bts track them as a courtesy? |
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| 18:24.04 | SRabbelier | I just installed 2.6.30-rc5-486 from kernel-archive.buildserver.net to get my Intel iwl 5300 working, but NetworkManager still won't connect to my (temporarily) unsecured wireless network. What would be the best way to troubleshoot this? |
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| 18:25.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | SRabbelier, unload/reload kernel module, check with dmesg for errors, try iwlist scan and connect with iwconfig |
| 18:26.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | (don't use middle-man programs) |
| 18:26.16 | SRabbelier | CutMeOwnThroat: do you happen to know the name of the kernel module of iwl? |
| 18:26.26 | abrotman | !iwlwifi |
| 18:26.27 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:26.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, I thought you would if you "got my Intel iwl 5300 working" |
| 18:27.01 | SRabbelier | note the 'to get', rather than 'got' :P |
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| 18:27.17 | SRabbelier | I read that since 2.6.27 iwl 5300 support is in the kernel |
| 18:27.31 | themill | !iwlagn |
| 18:27.32 | dpkg | iwlagn is, like, the driver for Intel 5050, 5100BG/ABG/ABN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series of wireless LAN adapters. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27 ("modprobe iwlagn"). Lenny users: ask me about <backports.org> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
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| 18:27.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 18:27.50 | themill | SRabbelier: note the comment about firmware |
| 18:28.00 | SRabbelier | ack, asking |
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| 18:29.18 | SRabbelier | themill: ok, unplugging ethernet cable again :P |
| 18:29.21 | SRabbelier | brb |
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| 18:36.35 | SRabbelier | themill: made of win :) |
| 18:36.39 | SRabbelier | themill: thanks!! |
| 18:36.55 | themill | \o/ |
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| 18:38.14 | SRabbelier | hmmm, now my new laptop is almost in working order, my xorg.conf is rather sad: http://pastebin.com/f48a36c29 |
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| 18:38.38 | stew | SRabbelier: why do you characterize that as sad? |
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| 18:38.54 | SRabbelier | stew: no mode lines, can't switch to a lower resolution |
| 18:39.02 | SRabbelier | stew: it's "stuck" at 1680x1200, which is too wide |
| 18:39.07 | SRabbelier | stew: (there's horizontal scroll) |
| 18:39.14 | shadowpho | can someone please help me configure my Xterm? it tells me there is no display set |
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| 18:39.30 | greycat | shadowpho: are you running X? |
| 18:39.32 | SRabbelier | shadowpho: running as root perchance? |
| 18:39.44 | shadowpho | Xorg works (except with no mouse) |
| 18:39.51 | shadowpho | SRabbelier: nope, not running as root |
| 18:40.06 | stew | SRabbelier: you can configure that at runtime with xrandr. you can configure that with hal, but the wiki.debian.org page describing that is down |
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| 18:40.18 | greycat | shadowpho: what "configuration" are you trying to do to it, exactly? |
| 18:40.18 | stew | SRabbelier: you can also add more stuff to xorg.conf if you like (man xorg.conf) |
| 18:40.20 | shadowpho | greycat: I thought I need to run xterm from console and it will start Xorg |
| 18:40.23 | SRabbelier | stew: xrandr is no go, unless you have some incantation that I haven't tried |
| 18:40.29 | greycat | shadowpho: no, you type "startx" from the console. |
| 18:40.35 | shadowpho | greycat: oh |
| 18:40.48 | shadowpho | greycat: startx: command not found... |
| 18:40.55 | greycat | shadowpho: apt-get install xorg |
| 18:40.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I have a weird problem. Pidgin crashes everytime it logs in to google-talk. Anyone else faced the issue? |
| 18:41.08 | SRabbelier | sh4d3sl4y3r_: try #pidgin? |
| 18:41.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm ok |
| 18:41.22 | shadowpho | greycat: oh, thanks! I thought x11-common was what I needed :) |
| 18:41.41 | shadowpho | which drivers would I need for opengl accelerated Radeon 9200 SE? |
| 18:41.48 | greycat | The *-common packages are usually the bottom of the dependency chains. |
| 18:41.58 | greycat | shadowpho: "radeon" probably |
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| 18:42.23 | shadowpho | greycat: ah, okay, that's the one it selected in xorg.new.conf |
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| 18:43.30 | jelly | shadowpho: make sure libgl1-mesa-dri package is installed |
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| 18:44.19 | shadowpho | jelly: yep it's installed |
| 18:44.27 | shadowpho | but my keyboard/mouse doesn't work there :( |
| 18:44.44 | jelly | shadowpho: which debian release? |
| 18:45.03 | shadowpho | lenny |
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| 18:45.13 | shadowpho | my keyboard is PS/2, works in console |
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| 18:46.23 | Asymmetry | sup everybody? |
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| 18:48.32 | Asymmetry | Not much, then, I guess... |
| 18:48.38 | shadowpho | heh |
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| 18:50.05 | BubbaT | I install a local package using apt-get? |
| 18:50.41 | bitmonk1 | BubbaT: dpkg |
| 18:50.43 | BubbaT | Sorry, how do I install a local package using apt-get? |
| 18:50.55 | greycat | BubbaT: dpkg -i foo.deb |
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| 18:51.27 | BubbaT | bitmonk1, greycat , I want to automatically resolve dependencies. |
| 18:51.55 | stew | BubbaT: fi dpkg -i fails due to missing dependencies, run "apt-get -f install" or "aptitude -f install" to fix them |
| 18:52.29 | greycat | BubbaT: can't do that with dpkg. |
| 18:53.29 | shadowpho | What does error means "[config/hal] couldn't initialize context: (null) ((null)), xinit: connection to X server lost" |
| 18:53.41 | greycat | Probably means your X server crashed. |
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| 18:53.54 | shadowpho | greycat: where is the log for it located? |
| 18:54.23 | greycat | ~/.xsession-errors and/or /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:54.45 | greycat | or possibly other places if you used gdm/xdm/etc. |
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| 18:57.52 | surlyjake | I need to get some feedback regarding the article that I am working on for school. I wrote an article describing how to join a Lenny server to an Active Directory domain, and set up a group samba share. If anyone has a few minutes to spare, it is at http://surlyjake.servebeer.com/using-debian-in-an-active-directory-environment/. please leave any feedback in the comments. |
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| 18:59.33 | shadowpho | greycat: "(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0xXX" where XX is 23 throguh 32 :( |
| 18:59.38 | shadowpho | greycat: is that the problem? |
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| 19:01.28 | nsadmin | surlyjake: there might be a #samba too, you should probably ask there as well |
| 19:01.41 | bitmonk1 | howdy folks, i am trying to install debian lenny on a machine using a usb key, i tried the latest boot.img.gz for amd64, but it seems not to support my nic, intel pro/1000 (e1000e driver). is there another netboot i can try? |
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| 19:02.05 | greycat | shadowpho: that's just a warning; it shouldn't crash the whole server |
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| 19:03.06 | bitmonk1 | sorry, i think i misused the term 'netboot', i just want a usb bootable installer that can install over the network what it doesn't have. this one is only capable of scanning my drives for an iso.. |
| 19:03.30 | shadowpho | greycat: I do get the xorg with a black box for xterm, but my mouse doesn't work and the only keyboard button that works is ctrl-alt-backspace or ctrl-alt-FX |
| 19:03.39 | nsadmin | bitmonk1: you should go ahead and install the base from the netinstall cd (don't configure the network at that time). afterwards you should be able to get appropriate drivers for the nic, alternatively if you have a spare supported nic you could use that temporarily while you install packages |
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| 19:04.14 | shadowpho | Do I need to install Hal? |
| 19:04.25 | shadowpho | What is Hal, anyways? |
| 19:04.28 | azeem | shadowpho: in general, yes |
| 19:04.33 | azeem | shadowpho: see /usr/share/doc/hal |
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| 19:04.51 | bitmonk1 | nsadmin: trying to avoid cd dance, using the boot.img.gz for usb boot, should i be able to install base from that? does it just call itself cdrom or something? i'll go boot it back up and see if any options correlate to your advice, thanks.. |
| 19:04.56 | greycat | "hardware abstraction layer", but I have no idea what it actually does |
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| 19:05.12 | bitmonk1 | greycat: it provides a layer for abstracting hardware! :-P |
| 19:05.30 | greycat | bitmonk1: gosh. |
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| 19:05.46 | nsadmin | bitmonk1: not sure,,, you don't have a cdrom drive in that machine? |
| 19:05.47 | shadowpho | hmm |
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| 19:06.00 | nicktastic | Anyone using xephyr or xnest on unstable? They don't work at all for me on two different boxes with completely different hardware.... |
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| 19:06.13 | shadowpho | does it mean I need to reboot after installing Hal? |
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| 19:06.47 | azeem | shadowpho: no, just start it |
| 19:07.03 | shadowpho | azeem: how do I start it? |
| 19:07.14 | t_corr | hi all, this is not a debian specific question but i am trying to do this on debian: i'm setting up an rsync server for a large number of clients. the rsync as well as some other ops will all take place over ssh so i would like to chroot them to minimize security risks |
| 19:07.19 | nsadmin | nicktastic: there's a reason they call it "unstable"... |
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| 19:07.37 | shadowpho | azeem: is it the proc run? |
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| 19:07.51 | t_corr | is there a good guide on how to do this? the hardest part for me to wrap my head around is how to copy everything needed into the jail - programs, libs, etc. its confusing |
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| 19:07.57 | azeem | shadowpho: hrm? |
| 19:08.06 | azeem | shadowpho: why do you care? |
| 19:08.18 | shadowpho | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:08.24 | bitmonk1 | nsadmin: i do, my burner is in that machine. i'm having a bit of a bootstrapping problem today, but i can try using ubuntu, which i can install from usb, to burn an iso, though also, it looks like if i just download an iso into / or something the usb key can find it.. |
| 19:08.25 | azeem | shadowpho: 21:07 -!- nicktastic (tommy servo) [n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic] has joined #debian |
| 19:08.28 | azeem | argh |
| 19:08.30 | azeem | shadowpho: 21:06 < azeem> shadowpho: why do you care? |
| 19:08.33 | greycat | shadowpho: usually, just installing the package will cause it to start |
| 19:08.50 | greycat | you can use "ps auxw | grep hal" to verify that it's running |
| 19:08.52 | nicktastic | nsadmin: hyuck |
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| 19:08.58 | dondelelcaro | t_corr: for rsync, in general you don't need to chroot it; it has its own "use chroot" options which will do that |
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| 19:09.29 | dondelelcaro | t_corr: however, if you're running things as a user, you can use one of the mainy tools, like makjail, jailer, or jailtool to set up the chroots |
| 19:09.54 | t_corr | dondelelcaro: well this is specifically a backup server, so there are rotation/synchronizing operations which will be run over a normal ssh connection too |
| 19:10.01 | t_corr | oh ok, i will look into all of those tools |
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| 19:10.41 | JordiGH | bob2 and the ubuntoobies? |
| 19:11.27 | greycat | !upload |
| 19:11.28 | shadowpho | :( |
| 19:11.34 | greycat | mischannel.... |
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| 19:12.12 | Sulc | hi |
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| 19:12.49 | indro_ | hi all |
| 19:12.51 | Sulc | Is there any way to install a package as non root in debian? |
| 19:13.03 | azeem | Sulc: no |
| 19:13.04 | JordiGH | Sulc: You cannot install in root locations if you are not... root. |
| 19:13.11 | Sulc | I want to run imagemagick and the host has no gcc |
| 19:13.28 | Sulc | I wont mind if it goes to /home/foo/bin |
| 19:13.29 | greycat | you can manually extract files out of the .deb using ar and tar and gzip |
| 19:13.31 | azeem | Sulc: you can try to unpack the binary and hope all the libraries are in place |
| 19:13.41 | azeem | greycat: or dpkg-deb -x |
| 19:13.45 | dondelelcaro | and you could also use LD_LIBRARY_PATH if they aren't |
| 19:13.48 | azeem | if installed |
| 19:14.02 | JordiGH | Sulc: Although dpkg accepts --root command, so you can try to setup your local tree in your homedir, with some difficulty. |
| 19:14.04 | indro_ | hmm is think there is a bug in libwxbase2.8-dev. |
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| 19:14.19 | greycat | "dpkg --root" and "dpkg-deb" must be new.... |
| 19:14.20 | azeem | JordiGH: I don't think that is helpful |
| 19:14.21 | indro_ | libwxbase2.8-dev: Depends: libwxbase2.8-0 (= 2.8.7.1-1.1) but 2.8.9.2-1 is to be installed |
| 19:14.32 | syslq78 | How can I connect to wireless via command line, network manager is slow |
| 19:14.32 | azeem | greycat: dpkg-deb is certainly from '94 or so |
| 19:14.36 | indro_ | should i report this as a bug? |
| 19:14.43 | Sulc | i'll have a look |
| 19:14.44 | azeem | it's always been the low-level interface |
| 19:14.44 | indro_ | or do you thing the debian dev are aware of this bug? |
| 19:14.55 | abrotman | indro_: in unstable ? |
| 19:15.00 | indro_ | abrotman: yes |
| 19:15.47 | nsadmin | dpkg calls dpkg-deb? |
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| 19:15.49 | dpkg | nsadmin: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 19:15.58 | greycat | nsadmin: not that I'm aware of |
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| 19:16.45 | azeem | nighthawk~$ strace dpkg -c build/hello_2.2-2_i386.deb 2>&1 | grep dpkg-deb |
| 19:16.45 | azeem | execve("~/bin/dpkg-deb", ["dpkg-deb", "--contents", "build/hello_2.2-2_i386.deb"], [/* 43 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 19:16.52 | greycat | huh. |
| 19:16.57 | abrotman | indro_: did you check the BTS? |
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| 19:17.07 | indro_ | abrotman: yes, nothing there.. |
| 19:17.09 | abrotman | indro_: though more than likely it'll be fixed in the next pulse |
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| 19:17.42 | nsadmin | but ~/bin/dpkg-deb doesn't seem like the right path... |
| 19:17.46 | greycat | azeem: does it do that for -i too, or only -c? |
| 19:17.59 | indro_ | abrotman: ok, then i will wait a few days... |
| 19:18.12 | azeem | greycat: I believe so |
| 19:18.16 | abrotman | indro_: oh wait |
| 19:18.29 | azeem | dpkg-deb is most prominently used to build .debs from a source tree |
| 19:18.52 | abrotman | indro_: did you grab packages from somewhere else? what does `apt-cache policy libwxbase2.8-0` return ? paste.debian.net if you need it |
| 19:19.43 | azeem | greycat: it doesn't for -i |
| 19:19.54 | dondelelcaro | indro_: uh... only 2.8.7.1-1.1 is in unstable |
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| 19:20.07 | indro_ | abrotman: youre right i got it from somewhere else... |
| 19:20.15 | abrotman | indro_: can i get a cookie? |
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| 19:20.27 | indro_ | abrotman: hehe, thank you. ;) |
| 19:20.34 | greycat | !cookie abrotman |
| 19:20.42 | adama_ | how can I partition a disk in a script - I need to take a /dev/sdb and create partition /dev/sdb1, the full size of the drive. Then mkfs.ext3 etc |
| 19:20.49 | dondelelcaro | adama_: sfdisk |
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| 19:21.02 | abrotman | awesome |
| 19:21.22 | adama_ | thanks! |
| 19:21.24 | dondelelcaro | though I should point out that partitioning disks in scripts is dangerous |
| 19:21.28 | nsadmin | adama_: look at sfdisk |
| 19:22.03 | nsadmin | having a script that uses sfdisk is even dangerous... |
| 19:22.21 | greycat | Only if the disk has information on it... |
| 19:22.33 | nsadmin | yeah |
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| 19:23.32 | SerajewelKS | sfdisk isn't that dangerous if you back up the partition table first |
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| 19:23.45 | n-iCe | hi |
| 19:24.17 | Sulc | even if i do dpkg --root=~/foo --instdir=~/foo --admindir=~/foo --install whatever it says i need root :( |
| 19:24.18 | greycat | Of course, you'll need to store the partition table backup on some disk *other* than the one it's a backup of. |
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| 19:24.42 | greycat | Sulc: then extract it with dpkg-deb or ar/gzip/tar, and move files around.... |
| 19:25.03 | callerten | The sysstat package has /etc/default/sysstat with SA1_OPTIONS="-S DISK", which is imported when /usr/lib/sysstat/debian-sa1 is run from cron, but it does not appear sadc is actually storing the disk data. Any idea if something extra needs configuring for this? |
| 19:25.17 | Sulc | Ok :) i'll go and have fun with dependencies :) |
| 19:25.18 | SerajewelKS | Sulc: or --force-non-root |
| 19:25.40 | SerajewelKS | !rtfm Sulc |
| 19:25.40 | dpkg | gives Sulc an autographed copy of the fucking how-to and extols Sulc to read it totally. |
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| 19:26.07 | themill | Sulc: with apt-get, you can specify "-o Debug::NoLocking=true" to get around some of these problems |
| 19:26.18 | nsadmin | oo! a fucking howto! never woulda thought! |
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| 19:26.41 | Sulc | woo, unknown force non-root |
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| 19:26.58 | Sulc | sets fire on manual, goes bbq |
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| 19:27.13 | greycat | Sulc: dpkg --force-help |
| 19:27.31 | nsadmin | and the ever-popular dpkg --help |
| 19:27.42 | greycat | SerajewelKS misspelled it slightly |
| 19:28.04 | SerajewelKS | ah yes |
| 19:28.09 | adama_ | sfdisk is frickn complex |
| 19:28.18 | SerajewelKS | at least i looked in the fucking manpage :P |
| 19:28.30 | safruhani | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.40 | SerajewelKS | who's not calm |
| 19:28.45 | greycat | This is calm. |
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| 19:29.06 | safruhani | ok go on :S |
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| 19:29.15 | safruhani | ignore is easy |
| 19:29.26 | SerajewelKS | i'm not mad, i'm emphasizing |
| 19:29.28 | nsadmin | with eyes closed |
| 19:29.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, if everyone read that, would that mean the end of bad sex? |
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| 19:30.06 | azeem | CutMeOwnThroat: please keep it on topic |
| 19:30.10 | greycat | CutMeOwnThroat: pointless question. Not everyone will read it. Not everyone can even read. |
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| 19:30.57 | maplebed | when building a package from scratch, is debuild the current *best* tool for the job? I also see dh_make and dpkg -b |
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| 19:31.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, it was hypothetical :) |
| 19:31.29 | greycat | There have been "how to have sex" guides on the 'net for decades. |
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| 19:31.52 | azeem | maplebed: all three are orthogonal |
| 19:31.57 | adama_ | STFU and help me with my sfdisk command |
| 19:31.58 | maplebed | maybe the qusetion should be pbuilder vs. debuild? |
| 19:32.12 | azeem | maplebed: certainly prefer debuild over dpkg -b |
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| 19:32.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | true... nice shift in meaning, btw :) |
| 19:32.43 | greycat | What happened to "dpkg-buildpackage"? |
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| 19:33.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's still there |
| 19:33.12 | arcsky_ | hello, today i did an upgrade with "apt-get upgrade" and now after that my samba doesnt work well |
| 19:33.24 | azeem | arcsky_: which version of debian? |
| 19:33.29 | arcsky_ | 4 |
| 19:33.42 | greycat | arcsky_: check /usr/share/doc/samba/ for NEWS.Debian.gz and/or changelog.Debian.gz files with information about what changed. |
| 19:33.50 | azeem | arcsky_: wat does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" ay? |
| 19:33.53 | azeem | say* |
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| 19:34.10 | arcsky_ | ii libc6 2.9-12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 19:34.15 | azeem | arcsky_: that's not 4 |
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| 19:34.19 | azeem | that's unstable |
| 19:34.22 | greycat | Definitely not Debian 4. |
| 19:34.38 | arcsky_ | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:34.38 | arcsky_ | squeeze/sid |
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| 19:34.47 | azeem | arcsky_: there you go |
| 19:34.51 | greycat | "Debian 4" is etch. |
| 19:34.53 | azeem | arcsky_: regular unstable breakage, probably |
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| 19:35.06 | stuNNed | so squeeze is considered the testing branch, not unstable where stable is lenny? |
| 19:35.07 | azeem | judd: version libc6 |
| 19:35.07 | judd | azeem: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 19:35.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !unstable |
| 19:35.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid ... |
| 19:35.10 | azeem | judd: versions libc6 |
| 19:35.10 | judd | azeem: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-4 sid: 2.9-12 |
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| 19:35.25 | greycat | stuNNed: yes, squeeze is currently testing |
| 19:35.53 | stuNNed | greycat: ok thanks and squeeze is the branch after lenny, what is the nickname for unstable? |
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| 19:35.58 | nenene | hi |
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| 19:36.02 | greycat | unstable is always sid. |
| 19:36.08 | stuNNed | oh ok thanks |
| 19:36.13 | greycat | !sid |
| 19:36.13 | dpkg | sid is probably the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 19:36.15 | arcsky_ | ok what should i do? |
| 19:36.35 | stuNNed | thanks dpkg |
| 19:36.38 | maplebed | azeem: Do you know of a 'how to build a debian package' document that's not oriented towards transforming an existing './configure; make; make install' style .tar.gz, but rather creating one from scratch? |
| 19:36.45 | greycat | arcsky_: check /usr/share/doc/samba/ for NEWS.Debian.gz and/or changelog.Debian.gz files with information about what changed. |
| 19:36.58 | azeem | maplebed: creating what from scratch? |
| 19:37.01 | nenene | I want to use vncserver under lenny.. with gnome.. but it always starts xfce - now my question - where is the xstartup file which is normally located in ~/.vnc/? |
| 19:37.03 | azeem | the build system? |
| 19:37.16 | justin | nenene: touch ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 19:37.17 | justin | nenene: there it is |
| 19:37.22 | stuNNed | greycat: debian is much easier to set up (services and whatnot) than gentoo imho |
| 19:37.27 | nenene | justin but it isnt used by the server |
| 19:37.35 | justin | nenene: try ~/.xsessin then |
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| 19:37.37 | nenene | even stracce does not show an open(... |
| 19:37.38 | justin | ~/.xsession |
| 19:37.39 | apt | ~/.xsession is the file for per-user X config if you use xdm/startx. E.g. "startkde". works with gdm if you select a Debian session. It's a script; put the commands you want (with & after them if they hang around), then your WM or DE last (no & on it). |
| 19:37.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | he he |
| 19:37.52 | arcsky_ | isnt possible to go back to the mode before the upgrade ? :p |
| 19:38.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | arcsky_, no... /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 19:38.12 | nenene | ah ok |
| 19:38.13 | maplebed | i.e. I've got a python script I want to install using a .deb. I don't have a makefile yet. I could write one, but if I can create a .deb that just does the right thing (using debian tools) instead of creating a 'make install' then turning that into a .deb, I'd rather do that. |
| 19:38.15 | greycat | arcsky_: you can try to manually install an older package, yes. |
| 19:38.19 | maplebed | does that make any sense? |
| 19:38.22 | greycat | arcsky_: when it breaks, you get to keep all the pieces. |
| 19:38.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | maplebed, for home-use? |
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| 19:38.37 | maplebed | yes. |
| 19:38.40 | azeem | maplebed: python scripts usually use a setup.py |
| 19:38.46 | azeem | read up on distutils |
| 19:38.56 | maplebed | will look up distutils. |
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| 19:39.10 | arcsky_ | unstable is bad right? |
| 19:39.14 | greycat | maplebed: find an existing Debian package that is a python script and do whatever it does. |
| 19:39.15 | maplebed | in the more generic sense, |
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| 19:39.20 | arcsky_ | just good for dev. |
| 19:39.40 | azeem | arcsky_: yes |
| 19:39.40 | greycat | arcsky_: unstable means it can change, and even break, at any time. |
| 19:39.42 | maplebed | a package that is just a few files to toss into the filesystem, is writing a makefile then turning it into a deb the right way? |
| 19:39.53 | arcsky_ | is there any log where i can see which packages was installed on the upgrade? |
| 19:39.53 | nenene | ah it works! thx |
| 19:39.57 | giusef | greycat: and testing? |
| 19:40.07 | azeem | maplebed: it depends on how right you want to do it |
| 19:40.07 | greycat | maplebed: not quite, no. You have to make a debian/ directory with certain things in it. |
| 19:40.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | maplebed, look at checkinstall (apt-cache show checkinstall) - you can then just do checkinstall cp *.py /some/where (or something similar) - those packages will not be good enough for the Debian repository, though (which you probably don't have to care about if it's just for you) |
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| 19:40.25 | azeem | maplebed: in general, having a generally useful build/install system is preferred to hacking up a debian-specific one |
| 19:40.42 | azeem | but if this is in-house/your-own-stuff anyway, just do what you prfer |
| 19:40.43 | azeem | prefer* |
| 19:40.47 | maplebed | ok. |
| 19:40.57 | maplebed | so presuming I have a generally useful build / install system, |
| 19:41.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | arcsky_, /var/log/dpkg.log - but did you read the downgrade factoid why downgrades don't (necessarily) work? |
| 19:41.13 | maplebed | I know using 'dh_make -f' at the source tarball + debuild will make me a .deb. |
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| 19:41.44 | maplebed | is that an accepted modern way of doing it? I also see "pbuilder, the debuild" wrapper out there on the net. |
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| 19:42.00 | nsadmin | not always... you probably have to edit after dh_make |
| 19:42.19 | maplebed | sorry, I wasn't precise. dh_make + edit files, delete examples, etc. + debuild |
| 19:42.22 | azeem | maplebed: pbuilder is again orthogonal |
| 19:42.35 | maplebed | ok. |
| 19:42.37 | azeem | it does not replace the stuff up till debuil |
| 19:42.38 | greycat | What do you mean by "orthogonal" here? |
| 19:42.38 | azeem | d |
| 19:42.47 | azeem | greycat: doing something entirely differen |
| 19:43.05 | nsadmin | as independent as you can get |
| 19:43.12 | maplebed | azeem, graycat, CutMeOwnThroat, thank you all for your help. I've got some reading to do, but you've helped put things in their right boxes for me to understand context. |
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| 19:44.19 | nsadmin | maplebedAFK: take a look at the manual and some examples |
| 19:44.52 | nsadmin | mostly you'd be using debhelper but to really understand you should also try not using any helper |
| 19:45.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | maplebedAFK, look at checkinstall 1st, though - that's probably "good enough" and a lot simpler |
| 19:45.10 | nsadmin | take a look at the package hello |
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| 19:47.14 | sivik | anyone had any luck getting nvidia to work with an 8600 GT? |
| 19:48.03 | stuNNed | sivik: what branch of Debian? |
| 19:48.14 | sivik | 5.0 |
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| 19:48.35 | sivik | stuNNed: can you help me with it? |
| 19:48.39 | sivik | no matter what I do, it won't start right |
| 19:48.52 | SerajewelKS | sivik: i'm using debian with an 8800 gt with no problems |
| 19:49.03 | sivik | what did you install SerajewelKS? |
| 19:49.05 | OpenTokix | sivik: I am runnign debian on 8600 gt |
| 19:49.14 | SerajewelKS | sivik: uhm. debian... |
| 19:49.20 | OpenTokix | sivik: m-a prepare etc. - m-a install nvidia-crap |
| 19:49.21 | sivik | OpenTokix: with the drivers? Can I see your xorg.conf |
| 19:49.29 | OpenTokix | sivik: driver "nvidia" |
| 19:49.33 | SerajewelKS | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:49.33 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 19:49.37 | sivik | OpenTokix: hum |
| 19:49.38 | SerajewelKS | sivik: do that ^^^ |
| 19:49.45 | sivik | let me try that |
| 19:49.46 | sivik | thanks |
| 19:49.50 | OpenTokix | sivik: yw |
| 19:50.08 | sivik | I hope that works |
| 19:50.12 | SerajewelKS | sivik: if you used the installer from nvidia.com then your box is fucked more or less |
| 19:50.25 | sivik | I used the aptitude and not the drivers from nvidia.com |
| 19:50.37 | SerajewelKS | sivik: did you also use m-a or module-assistant? |
| 19:50.45 | sivik | I didn't know I was supposed to |
| 19:50.46 | SerajewelKS | sivik: you have to build the module as well |
| 19:50.53 | sivik | Oh, thats probably why its not working |
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| 19:50.57 | SerajewelKS | sivik: you probably got the X driver without the kernel module |
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| 19:51.02 | SerajewelKS | sivik: the driver won't work without the module |
| 19:51.02 | bododo | hi folks :) |
| 19:51.06 | sivik | Yes, i'm getting no screens found |
| 19:51.09 | SerajewelKS | sivik: read the page dpkg linked you to above |
| 19:51.15 | sivik | ok |
| 19:51.19 | sivik | i'm reading it right now |
| 19:51.21 | sivik | I install nvidia-glx |
| 19:51.26 | SerajewelKS | sivik: or if you want a one-liner: m-a a-i nvidia |
| 19:51.27 | stuNNed | sivik: well, its probably irrelevant but i had alot of problems with ati and lenny but with squeeze it works great, although this is an amd64 system |
| 19:51.30 | SerajewelKS | sivik: and pray it works |
| 19:51.36 | bododo | anyone can please help me change tty's screen resolution on a ppc? (i.e. with yaboot ) |
| 19:51.58 | sivik | gtr:~# m-a a-i nividia |
| 19:51.59 | sivik | -su: m-a: command not found |
| 19:51.59 | sivik | gtr:~# |
| 19:52.03 | sivik | thats what I get when I try that |
| 19:52.12 | asdf | how do i tell lvcreate to use all the avialable space? |
| 19:52.26 | stuNNed | sivik: install module-assistant |
| 19:52.31 | sivik | yeah, i see that nw |
| 19:52.35 | bododo | sorry to ask here, but I can't seem to find a ppc linux active channel :( |
| 19:52.36 | stuNNed | sivik: or modules-assistant i think |
| 19:52.42 | sivik | yeah, i see it on the howto |
| 19:53.18 | asdf | got it, nm |
| 19:53.20 | sivik | thanks all |
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| 19:53.31 | sivik | once I get the nvidia working, then get to play with dual monitor set up |
| 19:53.32 | stuNNed | sivik: the Debian howtos online helped me alot to get the ati driver working in lenny but with squeeze i'm just installed the raw .run package from ati, probably not a good idea though |
| 19:53.41 | sivik | yea |
| 19:53.48 | sivik | Do you actually have 3d with your ati? |
| 19:53.54 | stuNNed | yup |
| 19:53.56 | sivik | nice |
| 19:53.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | bododo, /msg dpkg ppc |
| 19:54.02 | sivik | then they finally released the drivers correctly |
| 19:54.04 | sivik | what ati card? |
| 19:54.07 | stuNNed | sivik: sli/crossfire mode too! :D |
| 19:54.12 | sivik | nice |
| 19:54.16 | sivik | multiple monitors? |
| 19:54.19 | stuNNed | sivik: radeon 4870 dual |
| 19:54.26 | bododo | CutMeOwnThroat: is this a bot? or something? sorry i'm new here :) |
| 19:54.27 | stuNNed | sivik: nope |
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| 19:54.43 | sivik | nice stuNNed. I am thinking about getting a new ati card but I was kinda waiting on the drivers to be released correctly for linux/open ousrce |
| 19:54.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | bododo, yes... smartest bot in the world :-P |
| 19:54.57 | bododo | CutMeOwnThroat: :) |
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| 19:55.03 | steffan | What's a light web server statistics package? (someone suggested webalizer?) |
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| 19:55.16 | SerajewelKS | steffan: awstats isn't too bad |
| 19:55.29 | sivik | awstats is good |
| 19:55.38 | steffan | Webalizer looks old |
| 19:55.38 | SerajewelKS | steffan: pain in the ass to configure but once it's set up you don't have to do much |
| 19:55.53 | sivik | webalizer also eats cpu |
| 19:55.57 | steffan | Example output page, SerajewelKS? |
| 19:56.06 | stuNNed | sivik: yep, the drivers could be better, having problems with etqw and drawing black skies upon loading a new map |
| 19:56.17 | Floops[w] | what type of security policy would i have to put in place to make any user connection to box type there passwd in twice |
| 19:56.18 | stuNNed | sivik: but they are releasing new drivers nowadays like every month |
| 19:56.19 | greycat | "looks old" is supposed to be some sort of reason not to use it? |
| 19:56.27 | steffan | greycat: IMO |
| 19:56.34 | steffan | eyecandy++ |
| 19:56.43 | sivik | thats cool. Thank god for amd doing something else other than awesome chips |
| 19:56.48 | greycat | steffan: weren't you the one with some godawful IRCd package from 1990 that doesn't even compile on modern TCP/IP stacks? |
| 19:56.52 | stuNNed | Floops[w]: you could probably write a script for that |
| 19:57.07 | stuNNed | Floops[w]: what i'd probably do, and source it upon user's login |
| 19:57.24 | Floops[w] | that is what i thought |
| 19:57.28 | SerajewelKS | steffan: http://awstats.sourceforge.net/#DEMO |
| 19:57.33 | steffan | greycat: no, the friend that has an account on my server |
| 19:57.53 | Floops[w] | stuNNed, where would i load it to control when user login |
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| 19:58.18 | stuNNed | Floops[w]: /etc/login.defs might be a start, not sure though |
| 19:58.36 | Floops[w] | thanks |
| 19:58.40 | Floops[w] | i will look into it |
| 19:58.45 | stuNNed | Floops[w]: np good luck |
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| 20:02.15 | sivik | do i need a special repo for the kernel headers? |
| 20:02.30 | sivik | 2.6.27-11-generic |
| 20:02.33 | sivik | nothing real strange |
| 20:03.18 | greycat | Your kernel headers will come from the same place your kernel came from. |
| 20:03.25 | sivik | the cd? |
| 20:03.27 | greycat | I have no idea what kernel that is. |
| 20:03.41 | sivik | 2.6.27-11-generic #1 SMP Thu Jan 29 19:24:39 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:03.43 | sivik | thats the full |
| 20:03.51 | sivik | lenny |
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| 20:04.39 | themill | that's not a kernel that was ever in lenny |
| 20:04.55 | greycat | There are no 2.6.27 kernels in lenny. |
| 20:05.02 | sivik | sec |
| 20:05.07 | sivik | that may be my problem |
| 20:05.07 | sivik | sec |
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| 20:05.19 | themill | smells like ubuntu intrepid |
| 20:05.38 | sivik | wonder where the hell my debian kernels are |
| 20:05.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lenny uses 2.6.26-1 or something |
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| 20:06.10 | sivik | 2.6.26-1? |
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| 20:06.15 | sivik | thats probably the problem then |
| 20:06.23 | themill | 2.6.26-2 is the current lenny kernel |
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| 20:06.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i am using unstable |
| 20:06.48 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | 2.6.29-2 for me |
| 20:07.15 | muhoo | i have an old sid system which was last upgraded several years ago, when lenny was testing. can i switch it over to lenny now without problems? |
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| 20:07.31 | muhoo | or should i leave it as sid, and just update/upgrade and see how it goes? |
| 20:07.42 | Asymmetry | muhoo: You should be able to keep it as lenny and do an upgrade. |
| 20:07.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i did that it worked |
| 20:07.52 | Asymmetry | muhoo: Trying to do it from sid will likely have a problem. |
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| 20:07.56 | muhoo | Asymmetry: ok, but i'm not sure it was lenny. |
| 20:07.58 | themill | muhoo: try lenny first. And you may as well follow the instructions for etch->lenny (i.e. upgrade dpkg and aptitude first) |
| 20:07.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | upgrading as "sid" might break it |
| 20:08.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes |
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| 20:08.19 | Asymmetry | muhoo: I've had to run through dependency hell when doing an upgrade to sid. Even testing, once in a while. |
| 20:08.21 | sivik | that explains everything |
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| 20:08.29 | etb | there's a partition that gets mounted on /media/disk and the owner is root. how can i make it writable by my user? |
| 20:08.40 | muhoo | upgrading as "sid" *may* break it, but what i'm wondering is if upgrading it *to* lenny will be even possible? |
| 20:08.48 | Asymmetry | etb: umask=000 as a mount option is one way. |
| 20:08.55 | muhoo | or would that be "downgrading" it? |
| 20:08.57 | themill | muhoo: should be possible and reasonably easy |
| 20:09.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | no that would be upgrade as you mentioned "several years" ago |
| 20:09.15 | muhoo | themill: sed -e '/sid/lenny/g' ? |
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| 20:09.28 | themill | muhoo: it will be upgrading with the possible exception of a couple of packages that are no longer in the archive. (/msg dpkg obsolete) |
| 20:09.37 | muhoo | ah. |
| 20:09.57 | Asymmetry | etb: Another way is by adding 'user' or 'users' to the mount options. Any user can then mount it. With 'user', only the mounting user can unmount. With 'users', any user can unmount. |
| 20:09.58 | etb | Asymmetry: well nautilus does it automatically |
| 20:10.02 | themill | muhoo: that sed line should be ok as long as you're using "typical" mirror lines |
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| 20:10.11 | etb | Asymmetry: how can i change how it mounts it |
| 20:10.13 | sivik | whoever told me the right kernal for lenny is a god |
| 20:10.19 | Asymmetry | etb: Edit /etc/fstab. |
| 20:10.39 | mischief6 | man, make -k is dangerous :\ |
| 20:10.42 | Asymmetry | etb: The right-most column is for mount options. Adding 'user' or 'users' should allow you to do what you need to do. Mount options are comma-delimited. |
| 20:10.53 | Asymmetry | mischief6: Try a 'make -j' in the kernel source. :B |
| 20:10.54 | greycat | sivik: 2/3 of the people here could have told you lenny is using 2.6.26-2 |
| 20:10.59 | sivik | yeah |
| 20:11.03 | sivik | I totally didn't notice |
| 20:11.04 | mischief6 | Asymmetry, try a make -j on php source. :\ |
| 20:11.06 | sivik | I am going to remove those |
| 20:11.09 | Asymmetry | mischief6: Touche. |
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| 20:11.23 | mischief6 | Asymmetry, my load average was ~77 |
| 20:11.31 | themill | greycat: including three or four of the bots :) |
| 20:11.32 | Asymmetry | mischief6: ... I gotta try this. |
| 20:11.35 | mischief6 | haha |
| 20:11.40 | sivik | hells yes |
| 20:11.46 | sivik | this is so going to work now |
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| 20:12.20 | muhoo | themill: Asymmetry: ok, i'll try it and see how it goes |
| 20:12.21 | muhoo | thanks |
| 20:12.21 | mischief6 | Asymmetry, ssh is gone and i can't log into tty X_X |
| 20:12.26 | akram | hi |
| 20:12.33 | sivik | stuNNed: this is so working now that i'm in the right effn kernel |
| 20:12.37 | Asymmetry | mischief6: Woot. |
| 20:13.02 | mischief6 | LOL |
| 20:13.09 | akram | hi |
| 20:13.12 | mischief6 | Asymmetry, in comes OOM killer, stage left |
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| 20:14.03 | akram | hi |
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| 20:14.29 | seed95 | Hi, I am having trouble compiling ettercap, I get the following error : "libgtk-x11-2.0.so: undefined reference to `atk_relation_set_add_relation_by_type'" whereas I have install libatk-dev , can someone help please? |
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| 20:14.45 | justin | seed95: apt-get install ettercap? |
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| 20:15.02 | seed95 | justin: I need to compile a module for it :s |
| 20:15.22 | justin | seed95: apt-get build-dep ettercap-gtk |
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| 20:15.32 | sivik | is there not a glx gears for debian? |
| 20:15.44 | greycat | it's in some weird package. |
| 20:15.50 | mischief6 | mesa-tools |
| 20:15.53 | mischief6 | or mesa-utils |
| 20:15.55 | dondelelcaro | mesa-utils |
| 20:15.55 | mischief6 | one of those |
| 20:16.02 | greycat | mesa-utils: /usr/bin/glxgears |
| 20:16.06 | dondelelcaro | !tell sivik -about search |
| 20:16.14 | akram | hi |
| 20:16.17 | valdyn | seed95: why is your libgtk vs atk linkage broken? mixing distros? |
| 20:16.30 | akram | hi |
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| 20:16.39 | seed95 | justin: hum I get "E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_sid_updates_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) " |
| 20:16.51 | greycat | seed95: apt-get update |
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| 20:17.09 | akram | how |
| 20:17.12 | greycat | wait, security.debian.org doesn't have sid. |
| 20:17.16 | sivik | ok, the nvidia is still not working |
| 20:17.21 | subsu | If I want newer versions than those available in the lenny/stable repo of a particular software, is the easiest way to just compile/install it or is there any package-builder helpertools available that I can use to make a proper package? |
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| 20:17.31 | greycat | seed95: there is no security update URL for sid. |
| 20:17.34 | dondelelcaro | subsu: use the packages from backports.org or backport it yourself |
| 20:17.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell subsu -about backports |
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| 20:17.52 | seed95 | valdyn: I moved on sid few days ago |
| 20:17.57 | stuNNed | sivik: it IS working? |
| 20:18.05 | sivik | stuNNed: Not yet, but its closer |
| 20:18.05 | valdyn | seed95: or you *tried* to move to sid and didnt really do it |
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| 20:18.14 | seed95 | valdyn: probably ... |
| 20:18.17 | stuNNed | sivik: good deal! |
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| 20:18.18 | sivik | when I try and run glxgears it says cannot open display but now I only have one monitor up |
| 20:18.30 | greycat | you have to run it in X. |
| 20:18.34 | valdyn | seed95: try "apt-get -f install", see what that gives |
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| 20:18.45 | akram | thx |
| 20:18.52 | subsu | dondelelcaro: didn't know about backport, thx |
| 20:18.54 | greycat | valdyn: I'd tell him to fix his sources.list first. He's got a sid line for security.d.. |
| 20:19.07 | seed95 | valdyn: "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 760 not upgraded." |
| 20:19.09 | Asymmetry | idly wonders what would happen if you modified a deb file's pre-dep's line to require itself... |
| 20:19.12 | stuNNed | sivik: you can run glxinfo as well, don't know about nvidia but ati comes with a GUI for dual monitor setup and whatnot |
| 20:19.12 | sivik | how do you run something in a screen from command line? |
| 20:19.26 | greycat | sivik: you have to get X running before you worry about glxgears and shit |
| 20:19.32 | valdyn | seed95: that makes a ton of broken packages, probably |
| 20:19.33 | sivik | i am in x |
| 20:19.36 | sivik | gnome already |
| 20:19.38 | valdyn | seed95: see what greycat said |
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| 20:20.11 | greycat | sivik: then you should not get "cannot open display" when you run X client programs |
| 20:20.19 | sivik | greycat: i am already running x |
| 20:20.24 | sivik | I am trying to run glxgears from konsole |
| 20:20.24 | beni- | i've a fresh installed debian. when I try to 'ping www.google.com', i get "connect: Network is unreachable". but when I try to ping my router, it works. and from my router, google is available. I have 3 network interfaces, could that be a problem? |
| 20:20.26 | sylarrr | doens't debian cache deb files? |
| 20:20.36 | greycat | sylarrr: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 20:21.08 | greycat | sivik: and you didn't "su" or anything? You're running it directly in the konsole that you launched as the same user who's running KDE? |
| 20:21.47 | sivik | there it goes |
| 20:21.52 | sivik | i was in the wrong terminal |
| 20:21.57 | sylarrr | greycat, I am trying live-helper,and it seem to download it all over again |
| 20:22.08 | sivik | doesn't it just have to be above 1k for the 3d acc to be running? |
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| 20:22.13 | greycat | beni-: make sure "route -n" gives the correct default route. If necessary, configure it in /etc/network/interfaces (see "man interfaces" and some wiki.debian.org page...) |
| 20:22.20 | sivik | sweet, its running |
| 20:22.26 | sivik | stuNNed: thanks |
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| 20:23.05 | subsu | So, backports doesn't really cut it(thx for the tip dondelelcaro).Can anyone give me pointers on how to make my own .deb package? |
| 20:23.19 | beni- | greycat: ah... default gateway 0.0.0.0 isn't good ^^ |
| 20:23.40 | dondelelcaro | subsu: what package are you looking to update? |
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| 20:23.53 | seed95 | greycat: I changed the security to lenny and I am doing apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:23.55 | sivik | hells yes |
| 20:24.14 | dondelelcaro | subsu: and the instructions that I had dpkg tell you provide information on how to backport packages yourself. |
| 20:24.21 | sivik | there we go |
| 20:24.22 | sivik | hells yes |
| 20:24.23 | sivik | brb |
| 20:24.28 | subsu | dondelelcaro: xmonad and mercurial |
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| 20:24.54 | GT1 | Hi! Upgrading to a new graphics card here; one with a GeForce 8600 GPU. I have nvidia-glx installed, and I don't get any unusual errors booting, but everything locks up before GDM pops up. I can boot straight into an Ubuntu LiveCD with the card, but not my debian install. Any ideas what's up? |
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| 20:25.33 | subsu | dondelelcaro: I dont understand, does dpkg tell you how to create your own packages? |
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| 20:25.48 | dondelelcaro | subsu: read what dpkg (the bot on IRC) messaged you with |
| 20:25.55 | dondelelcaro | !tell subsu -about ssb |
| 20:26.00 | stuNNed | GT1: you might want to boot into single user mode and reinstall the drivers or try a later/newer driver |
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| 20:26.30 | GT1 | Alright! |
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| 20:27.56 | sivik | to be able to drag and drop between monitors, do i want twinview or seperate x session? I would assume twinview |
| 20:28.17 | stuNNed | yep, sivik |
| 20:28.25 | sivik | cool |
| 20:28.27 | sivik | thats the problem now |
| 20:28.54 | dondelelcaro | you don't actually need twinview; you can just use xrandr |
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| 20:29.15 | sivik | how do you set up xrandr with nvidia? I don't see that option in the nvidia server settings |
| 20:29.38 | dondelelcaro | xrandr --output foo --left-of bar; |
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| 20:30.20 | sivik | there we go |
| 20:30.21 | sivik | hells yes |
| 20:30.33 | subsu | dondelelcaro: thank you, but it didn't solve my problems since the backport version is to old for me. It seems like I have to compile the stuff for myself and make my own packages. I just want a nice debian-system, trying out debian for the first time and want to know how the packagemanagement works. |
| 20:30.34 | sivik | thanks everyone |
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| 20:31.23 | etb | in fstab how do i specify the ownership to my user?\ |
| 20:32.05 | greycat | users will only have "ownership" of entire filesystems if that filesystem is vfat or something. |
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| 20:35.30 | ircusclientus | tets |
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| 20:36.46 | subsu | etb: if you want to set the group/user on FAT fs(dont know about ntfs-3g) you can user uid=?? and gid=?? in fstab |
| 20:37.22 | etb | subsu: no ext3 |
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| 20:38.26 | anigma | is it possible to install debian with the livecd? - http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0-live/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 20:39.41 | subsu | etb: then just chown the files to the right owner/group. I dont think you can mount an ext3 fs and ignore the rights already set on the inodes. |
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| 20:41.15 | themill | dondelelcaro: looking at debian/rules for mercurial, it uses quilt+dh features that are only in sid. Should it have versioned build-deps then? (Or do you know of plans to put quilt in lenny-backports?) It fails to compile in a rather ungraceful manner. |
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| 20:44.09 | peterS | themill: it could... but build deps are not considered for the purpose of automated testing migration. thus it is not uncommon for stuff in testing to FTBFS in testing. typically, people try to catch these problems late in the release cycle. |
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| 20:45.08 | beejeebus | hi, just installed sid on a dell studio 17 laptop |
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| 20:45.40 | beejeebus | trackpad isn't working correctly |
| 20:45.55 | bolt | is soviet sid, you fix problem |
| 20:45.58 | bolt | or something |
| 20:46.09 | themill | peterS: yes... not being self-hosting is a rather ugly situation. It has a suitable versioned build-dep on dh7 but not on quilt. Anyway, just curious... hopefully quilt will make it into lenny-backports soon enough to make it easier to make backports. |
| 20:46.15 | beejeebus | tapping doesn't work, i have to use the buttons below to select things |
| 20:46.24 | beejeebus | suggestions for debugging this? |
| 20:46.48 | bolt | yep. firstly, install something known to be working. like stable |
| 20:46.55 | cgibin | has anyone worked with sshfs, on the pass prompted i m getting this msg. fuse: mountpoint is not empty .... fuse: if you are sure this is safe, use the 'nonempty' mount option |
| 20:46.56 | peterS | beejeebus: are you using the 'xserver-xorg-input-synaptics' driver package? |
| 20:47.10 | beejeebus | peterS: will check |
| 20:47.34 | beejeebus | peterS: i've just finished the install, so whatever came by default |
| 20:47.45 | peterS | it is probably installed, it may or may not be used |
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| 20:48.13 | peterS | I don't use a touchpad myself, but I see there is a /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/README.Debian.gz |
| 20:48.28 | beejeebus | peterS: thanks, i'll have a look at that |
| 20:49.07 | draemon | anyone know why growisofs might get to "closing session" and then sit there forever? |
| 20:49.29 | draemon | light on the drive flashing, no errors that I can find |
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| 20:49.55 | draemon | lenny, growisofs 7.1, SH-S203N |
| 20:50.13 | draemon | (samsung) |
| 20:50.36 | anigma | is it possible to install debian with the livecd? - http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0-live/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 20:50.53 | anigma | err, from the livecd.. |
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| 20:51.10 | wekt | beejeebus: synclient is handy. |
| 20:51.25 | beejeebus | wekt: what's that? |
| 20:52.00 | wekt | beejeebus: lets you change settings without restarting X. GNOME has a gui utility too, which I have not yet used. |
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| 20:52.17 | bitmonk1 | nsadmin: the netinst cd seems to have the driver i was using in ubuntu, e1000e, but it, nor e1000 work, i know you said not to configure at that time anyway, so i'll try to press on with just the base system, just noting.. i could also be missing a portion of the ui for selecting the module because my sgi panel apparently sucks for basic VGA ;d |
| 20:52.21 | peterS | synclient comes with the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics driver |
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| 20:53.17 | wekt | draemon: closing sessions can take a while, especially if you write little data. |
| 20:53.22 | beejeebus | wekt: thanks |
| 20:53.41 | t_corr | hmm i wonder |
| 20:53.50 | wekt | gsynaptics is GNOME tool, i think. |
| 20:54.00 | beejeebus | so, i have the synaptics xorg module installed |
| 20:54.32 | beejeebus | so i guess i need to do some manual configuration |
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| 20:58.52 | ner0x | I believe I may want to try debian. Anything I should know before I jump right in? |
| 20:59.07 | bitmonk1 | ner0x: only that it's AWESOME! ;d |
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| 20:59.18 | bitmonk1 | are you experienced with gnu/linux systems at all, or any sort of unix systems? |
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| 20:59.53 | ner0x | bitmonk1: I am, been on linux for the past seven or eight yeras. |
| 20:59.57 | ner0x | Years even. |
| 21:01.05 | ner0x | Gentoo for a majority of them. |
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| 21:04.25 | bitmonk1 | hm, still no love even booted into base system, e1000 or e1000e driver can't bring up eth0 with either loaded |
| 21:04.49 | ner0x | package list anywhere? |
| 21:04.52 | bitmonk1 | ner0x: you should be fine in debian.. |
| 21:05.09 | beejeebus | ok, next |
| 21:05.15 | beejeebus | networkmanager isn't picking up my wireless card |
| 21:05.18 | beejeebus | debug steps? |
| 21:06.24 | beejeebus | justin-laptop:~# lspci | grep -i wireless |
| 21:06.25 | beejeebus | 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100 |
| 21:06.29 | ner0x | I"m curently on Kubuntu, from what iw as told they release packages a little bit faster than debian. |
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| 21:07.19 | bitmonk | that is true on many fronts for just about any ubuntu, though ubuntu have abandoned some tech like xen which continues to receive support and updates in debian, so it depends on what you want to use.. |
| 21:08.21 | bitmonk | and agh i can't believe my nic isn't working, argh. |
| 21:08.56 | bolt | beejeebus: seriously. you don't sound like you have enough knowledge to be using sid. specifying your problem as "networkmanager isn't picking up my wireless card" really doesn't sound convincing |
| 21:09.59 | beejeebus | bolt: thanks, but no thanks |
| 21:10.29 | nsadmin | what nic is in a Asus M2A-VM? |
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| 21:10.45 | bolt | beejeebus: just saying it's a bad idea, and also that a lot more people might be interested in helping you if you used stable, or at least testing. but suit yourself |
| 21:10.46 | beejeebus | May 19 16:31:01 justin-laptop NetworkManager: <WARN> nm_supplicant_interface_add_cb(): Unexpected supplicant error getting interface: wpa_supplicant couldn't grab this interface. |
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| 21:12.26 | beejeebus | bolt: tell me what other information to provide, and i'll do it |
| 21:13.21 | draemon | wekt: Last time it happened, I left it overnight - I think it's really stuck! |
| 21:13.37 | bolt | beejeebus: that's not the point. here, read this. |
| 21:13.46 | bolt | !+tell beejeebus -about unstable |
| 21:13.46 | dpkg | told beejeebus about unstable. |
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| 21:15.56 | nsadmin | the thing is a lot of other dists are more or less as unstable as unstable |
| 21:16.26 | bolt | well, speaking of stability, true. but at least most of the ones you're talking about would change less |
| 21:16.55 | bolt | so you'd kind of get a slight overview of what things are broken before someone comes along and beaks something else |
| 21:16.58 | jpinx-eeepc | is there a way to rotate my display 90 degrees clockwise at will for some applications? |
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| 21:17.16 | nsadmin | in that sense debian goes the extra mile to provide better interoperability between packages and stability overall |
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| 21:17.44 | nsadmin | jpinx-eeepc: turn your head :) |
| 21:18.08 | nsadmin | but then you'd have to read sideways |
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| 21:18.21 | bolt | may i suggest a collection of mirrors? |
| 21:18.44 | nsadmin | http.us.debian.org! |
| 21:18.52 | bolt | :P |
| 21:19.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, xrandr should be able to turn the whole thing on a running X |
| 21:19.21 | jpinx-eeepc | you used to be able to put "Rotate" "CW" in xfree86.org |
| 21:19.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | (although it doesn't seem to do anything for me) |
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| 21:20.42 | nsadmin | what nic is in a Asus M2A-VM? Chipset: AMD 690G |
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| 21:23.20 | person2 | More memory is used when I boot and log in to Xfce than when I boot and log into KDE - starting a new session with both desktop environments. Why could this be? |
| 21:23.30 | nsadmin | found it, so: how to support |
| 21:23.36 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.29 | Asymmetry | person2: ... Xfce is using MORE memory than KDE? Wtf... |
| 21:25.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
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| 21:28.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | something like xrandr --output default --rotate left |
| 21:28.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which gives me only xrandr: output default cannot use rotation "left" reflection "none") |
| 21:28.53 | Asymmetry | goes home to blow up another testing system. WOOT! |
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| 21:29.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny, I remember that I saw xrandr -y work once |
| 21:29.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps that was on the laptop, not here |
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| 21:30.21 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: nothing in there for rotate:( |
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| 21:31.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 21:31.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | I even gave you the exact line |
| 21:32.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's in xrandr -help and also on that page |
| 21:32.46 | person2 | What's the point in package management Tasks? |
| 21:33.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, my problem is this one http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=57106 - and thank god, someone who knew something finally posted something at the end of page :) |
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| 21:36.15 | jake[work] | my clock is running way too fast. ntpd would have to run every minute to keep this thing synced - any ideas on how to fix? |
| 21:37.06 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: nope - there's nothing in there that I can see about rotate :( |
| 21:37.10 | person2 | What's the point in tasksel? Why not metapackages instead? |
| 21:37.13 | draemon | wekt: well either upgrading from 7.1-3 to 7.1-4 or running as root fixed it...oh well |
| 21:37.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, I gave you the **exact** command above |
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| 21:38.29 | stuNNed | does anyone know the app in gnome to adjust the date and time? |
| 21:38.35 | stuNNed | and sync to ntp servers? |
| 21:38.54 | nsadmin | stuNNed: apt-get install ntp-simple |
| 21:39.08 | nsadmin | time is indep of gui, nothing to do with each other |
| 21:39.14 | stuNNed | nsadmin: thanks |
| 21:39.26 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: and you got an error - same as me ;) |
| 21:39.45 | stuNNed | nsadmin: says obsolete in squeeze |
| 21:39.47 | jpinx-eeepc | and the wiki page doesn't mention rotat |
| 21:39.56 | nsadmin | maybe just ntp |
| 21:40.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, then you also got nvidia and I pasted the linke with the solution |
| 21:40.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, no, but from there I learned what argument to give after --output |
| 21:41.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | draemon, running WHAT as root |
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| 21:42.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | person2, I guess you want a task to install several meta-packages, but you don't want all of them removed, just because the user removes one |
| 21:44.37 | person2 | I see CutMeOwnThroat. Trouble is, aptitude doesn't handle it sensibly when you try to remove the whole task :P |
| 21:44.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | jake[work], in bios after boot as well? ntp wouldn't have to run so often, times are adjusted internally to match (see adjtimex) |
| 21:44.50 | person2 | It goes and removes deps of GNOME and stuff - drives me nuts |
| 21:45.00 | dondelelcaro | person2: because those packages are all automatically installed |
| 21:45.08 | dondelelcaro | person2: if you actually want them, mark them as manually installed |
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| 21:45.18 | person2 | Good thinking, Batman |
| 21:45.24 | person2 | Thanks chaps |
| 21:45.51 | jake[work] | CutMeOwnThroat: i only know that once i set the time via ntpd - it looks ok for a few seconds then starts to gradusally get real bad. i'll check adjtimex |
| 21:45.58 | dondelelcaro | it's basically impossible for aptitude to know which packages you actually want, and which you don't if you don't tell it. [It assumes that any package you install directly is one you actually want; if you remove that package, automatically installed packages go away.] |
| 21:46.32 | stuNNed | nsadmin: n/m it is set to use NTP and working, for some reason just can't set through the gnome drop down menu, no biggie |
| 21:47.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | jake[work], if the clock in the bios doesn't run fast, too, it sounds to me as if the time *is* adjusted, but very much incorrectly so for some reason |
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| 21:47.57 | jake[work] | CutMeOwnThroat: :) adjtimex says system time will be adj by -49083.3 sec a day |
| 21:48.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... wait for it... apt-cache search psychic |
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| 21:48.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | jake[work], 14 hours? |
| 21:49.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, -14 hours? |
| 21:49.00 | jake[work] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:49.22 | crunchy1 | hullo, does anyone know how I can set up spam and ham email accounts for spamassassin learning? |
| 21:49.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | jake[work], did you just install it or was it doing this all the time? |
| 21:49.35 | crunchy1 | (or know what I should be searching for? |
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| 21:49.45 | jake[work] | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.50 | jake[work] | ntpd |
| 21:50.27 | jake[work] | CutMeOwnThroat: i have to do audit logs now - so the time is more critical |
| 21:50.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | but such a huge negative correction should make your time slow? |
| 21:50.54 | ceekay | anyone have a recommendation for a deb proxy? a quick search turns up apt-proxy apt-cacher and debproxy is there one that has emerged as the defacto standard? |
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| 21:51.02 | jake[work] | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah - i can try ntpd now to see if it works |
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| 21:51.31 | paladin | I had a usb modem but changed to an ethernet router. Should I get rid of the pppoatm driver or is it still needed? |
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| 21:52.17 | jake[work] | CutMeOwnThroat: still racing |
| 21:52.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | check with hwclock on the internal clock |
| 21:52.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | or inside the bios after a reboot |
| 21:53.09 | jake[work] | CutMeOwnThroat: can't really do a reboot now - but i can set the hwclock and see what happens |
| 21:53.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !time |
| 21:53.32 | dpkg | time is, like, found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2009.05.19 21:53:32, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
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| 21:53.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | jake[work], you don't need to set the hardware clock, just read it out a couple of times and see how fast it goes |
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| 21:54.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | also note the last url in that factoid |
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| 21:54.18 | GT1 | Alrightie then... |
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| 21:55.11 | jake[work] | CutMeOwnThroat: the hw clock seems perfect |
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| 21:55.55 | GT1 | I noodled around with various things; reinstalling nvidia-glx, installing nvidia-kernel packages, running nvidia-xconfig, and other such things, but the only way I've been able to get to GDM and further is by removing all nvidia drivers altogether. |
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| 21:56.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 21:57.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha, hahahaha, even |
| 21:57.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918461 |
| 21:58.03 | jake[work] | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah - but this is not in a windows vm |
| 21:58.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | the solution doesn't depend on windows |
| 21:58.38 | jake[work] | CutMeOwnThroat: ah |
| 21:58.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it in a vm? |
| 21:58.45 | jake[work] | CutMeOwnThroat: nope |
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| 21:58.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/17589 |
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| 21:59.15 | ice799 | hi |
| 21:59.26 | ice799 | how do i get apt to tell me which version of a package it has? |
| 21:59.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | my, it's so depressing how much more to-the-point the microsoft page is |
| 21:59.40 | ice799 | for example, i know it has libxml2-dev, but i'd like to know which version of libxm2-dev it has |
| 21:59.52 | themill | ice799: apt-cache policy |
| 21:59.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ice799, apt-cache madison package |
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| 22:00.37 | ice799 | CutMeOwnThroat, themill thanks |
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| 22:01.36 | nsadmin | policy madison? |
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| 22:01.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, mad on policys son |
| 22:02.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | or just mad on policys |
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| 22:04.10 | ed__ | Hello - the text in my console is giant and ugly; how do I change this? |
| 22:04.29 | nsadmin | ed__: double your own size |
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| 22:05.58 | nsadmin | try passing vga=ask at boot prompt |
| 22:05.59 | ed__ | Thanks |
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| 22:06.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, got a mushroom to do this? |
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| 22:07.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | or use SVGAtextmode |
| 22:07.09 | nsadmin | you'd need an awful lot of mushrooms to do that! |
| 22:07.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | you never read alice in wonderland, I guess |
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| 22:07.43 | nsadmin | it's the green pill! |
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| 22:08.02 | GT1 | Violet! |
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| 22:10.28 | ed___ | SLiM does not launch KDE because it couldn't find the session kde. But I have it in my xinitrc file. What went wrong? |
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| 22:13.49 | ShadowPho | can someone please help me configure my X? startX starts fine, but I can't type anything or move mouse... |
| 22:14.43 | magyar | hi, can anyone help with this error >>http://pastebin.ca/1427450 |
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| 22:17.45 | person2 | Why is slim unable to find session named 'kde' when I have put it in my .xinitrc file? |
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| 22:17.51 | GT1 | When you install nvidia-glx for the first time, how do you get X, or whatever it is that uses it, to... use it? |
| 22:18.24 | nsadmin | !drxx |
| 22:18.24 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
| 22:19.07 | ShadowPho | oh |
| 22:19.22 | person2 | GT1: I use "nvidia-xconfig keyboard=uk" |
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| 22:20.10 | person2 | GT1: But then again, I don't use Debian NVidia packages because they aren't/weren't new and and/or easy enough for me. |
| 22:20.29 | Orbixx | Just installed Debian and the sound isn't working, got onboard Realtek HD 7.1 audio. |
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| 22:20.59 | y7deluxe | i deleted eth1 because the ip wouldn't change. how can i add eth1 back into my system through the debian gui? |
| 22:21.01 | GT1 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg hasn't worked for ages. /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't even have a section for screens anymore, and nvidia-xconfig writes one, which causes xserver to fail. |
| 22:21.04 | cgibin | which tool can i use for hyperlinking folder to different server. meaning anything that gets uploaded goes to the other server? |
| 22:21.49 | GT1 | person2: I'm trying to use nvidia-glx. Isn't that the non-free one? |
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| 22:23.06 | ShadowPho | neither my keyboard nor mouse works in x :( |
| 22:23.29 | person2 | GT1: I believe so. |
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| 22:24.35 | person2 | GT1: There's non-free Debian packaging and NVIDIA installers for Linux in general. |
| 22:24.43 | GT1 | person2: Well, nvidia-xconfig is outdated and just messes things up as things stand now. As a side-note, I don't have a UK keyboard. |
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| 22:25.11 | person2 | I use nvidia-xconfig because I use a driver from NVIDIA. |
| 22:25.29 | ShadowPho | Is fluxbox lighter than XFCE? |
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| 22:25.46 | amphi | ShadowPho: yes |
| 22:25.58 | person2 | But perhaps you should just go and use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root like dpkg suggested. |
| 22:26.02 | amphi | ShadowPho: fb is a window manager, xfce is a DE |
| 22:26.08 | GT1 | person2: As in, one that's not from the debian repos? That you built yourself or some such? |
| 22:26.16 | person2 | ShadowPho: Well yeah, but XFCE has an excuse. |
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| 22:26.19 | ShadowPho | is there anything smaller that I can try? |
| 22:26.35 | person2 | ShadowPho: Once you've got lots of apps running, I'm not sure which would give you a faster system. |
| 22:26.41 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm stuck with randr - anyone able to sort this out please? http://pastebin.com/d2f09f5c5 |
| 22:26.48 | person2 | ShadowPho: Why do you want something smaller, anyway? |
| 22:26.48 | ShadowPho | what about xmonad? |
| 22:27.00 | ShadowPho | person2: I just need something to run Wine with Half Life |
| 22:27.08 | person2 | GT1: I wouldn't say 'built yourself' but you chmod and run an sh script then follow the simple instructions show. |
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| 22:27.30 | person2 | ShadowPho: I wouldn't bother worrying too much about it if I had the specs to run those games. |
| 22:27.35 | amphi | ShadowPho: it's using ~6.5MB here ATM |
| 22:27.46 | person2 | ShadowPho: fluxbox will hardly make any difference to it. You can go for blackbox if you like. |
| 22:28.09 | ShadowPho | person2: athlon 1.1ghz here! |
| 22:28.38 | person2 | ShadowPho: But I heard from my friend (well I'm not sure he likes me because I asked him Dumb Questions but that's beside the point) that xmonad takes weeks to configure - in Haskell! |
| 22:28.47 | GT1 | Person2: As I previously mentioned, /etc/X11/xorg.conf, which is all I know that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg writes to, doesn't even have a section for the screen or for graphics anymore. It's all handled by something else, which no one seems to know anything about. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't even have a screen for configuring the screen or the graphics card now. |
| 22:29.03 | person2 | ShadowPho: That's fine - messing around trying to get the ideally small window manager is obsessive. |
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| 22:29.20 | ShadowPho | person2: can I even do without a WM? |
| 22:29.45 | person2 | ShadowPho: You might be able to just get a minimal X terminal session from GDM and/or KDM |
| 22:29.53 | person2 | Not sure what you call it |
| 22:30.01 | ShadowPho | person2: what is GDM/KDM? |
| 22:30.10 | person2 | You could always go with TWM - that's probably one of the smallest WM's out there |
| 22:30.18 | person2 | ShadowPho: They're login managers |
| 22:30.25 | GT1 | person2: Also, what script is it you're speaking of? |
| 22:30.35 | ShadowPho | person2: do I need GDM/KDM? |
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| 22:31.43 | GT1 | ShadowPho: If you're going to use a window manager of any kind, yes. If you don't, you do understand that all you'll have is a window full of text, right? |
| 22:32.05 | ShadowPho | GT1: is that why all my X sessions failed so far? |
| 22:32.39 | GT1 | ShadowPho: How, exactly, are you talking right now? |
| 22:32.48 | person2 | Not that you need them. Don't blame me if this doesn't work/destroys your computer/kills your cat with voodoo, but you can probably get away with booting into a runlevel without X, modifying your ~/.xinitrc so it only says 'exec twm', installing twm first, logging in with console and typing startx. |
| 22:32.54 | person2 | But that's obsessive and there's really no need |
| 22:33.10 | kefalo | How to control a mplayer remotely from another computer. for example via ssh... i have a comp with 22" monitor and acer aspire one. question, how can i from acer aspire one control mplayer on my main computer? |
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| 22:33.23 | person2 | GT1: It's downloadable from the NVIDIA wobsite. |
| 22:33.26 | ShadowPho | ah |
| 22:33.34 | ShadowPho | thank you, person2, that makes sense |
| 22:33.43 | person2 | GT1: It's really easy using NVIDIA instructions. I found Debian instructions overcomplicated. |
| 22:34.00 | GT1 | Mrrr... I hope it works. |
| 22:34.20 | person2 | Okay ShadowPho, but I don't advise that you follow what I told you. I should just use a login manager like GDM to launch TWM with its menu. DOn't obsess. |
| 22:34.36 | Orbixx | How do I get the following device working? 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 22:34.41 | person2 | GT1: You might want to uninstall Debian drivers The Debian Way first |
| 22:34.53 | ShadowPho | person2: alright, how can I test if my mouse works first? |
| 22:34.59 | person2 | GT1: Don't blame me if it mucks your system up or kills your cat with voodoo |
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| 22:35.09 | person2 | ShadowPho: Move it? |
| 22:35.21 | ShadowPho | person2: I am in a console... |
| 22:35.36 | person2 | ShadowPho: launch X then move it? |
| 22:35.42 | amphi | ShadowPho: cat /dev/input/mice and wiggle the mouse |
| 22:36.11 | y7deluxe | what's the command to get the basic setup screen from when you're setting up debian after you install it? |
| 22:36.11 | GT1 | person2: I would really appreciate it if you didn't talk about dead kitties while I'm in here. It gives me "Edgar Allen Poe's 'Black Cat'" flashbacks. :P |
| 22:36.18 | ShadowPho | amphi: no output :( |
| 22:36.22 | ShadowPho | person2: it doesn't move |
| 22:36.34 | ShadowPho | it is a serial mice though |
| 22:36.46 | ShadowPho | GT1: I think your kitty ate my mice. |
| 22:36.49 | amphi | ShadowPho: ah |
| 22:36.57 | person2 | Help! Slim syas that the session 'kde' doesn't exist... but I have it there in my .xinitrc. What went wrong? |
| 22:37.10 | y7deluxe | can anybody even see me typing? |
| 22:37.24 | ShadowPho | y7deluxe: nope. |
| 22:37.24 | GT1 | ShadowPho: She most certainly did now! If you're at an actual terminal level right now, that's not SUPPOSED to have mouse. |
| 22:37.24 | person2 | lol GT1 |
| 22:37.36 | y7deluxe | ok, that's a start, ty ShadowPho |
| 22:37.38 | person2 | y7deluxe: yes |
| 22:37.42 | kefalo | How to control a mplayer remotely from another computer. for example via ssh... i have a comp with 22" monitor and acer aspire one. question, how can i from acer aspire one control mplayer on my main computer? |
| 22:37.43 | zinx | GT1: lies |
| 22:37.56 | ShadowPho | GT1: but..but...but... now I don't even have a mouse when I go up! |
| 22:38.25 | person2 | Perhaps you're catting the wrong mouse device |
| 22:38.31 | amphi | GT1: gpm provides mouse functionality in console; in any case, catting the device and wiggling the mouse should produce some gibberish |
| 22:38.37 | person2 | I'd just start X and see what happens. |
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| 22:38.59 | ShadowPho | person2: When I do "startx" and move mouse, nothing happens. Also the keyboard clicks do nothing. |
| 22:39.12 | amphi | ShadowPho: dunno about serial mice; does catting /dev/ttySwhatever and moving the mouse produce anything? |
| 22:39.33 | y7deluxe | do i have to reinstall debian in order to get the initial startup/setup screen? |
| 22:39.34 | person2 | You can use xorgconfig to reconfigure your mouse if you like, but remember to back your xorg.conf up first. xorgconfig gave me bad results in Debian before :P |
| 22:39.59 | ShadowPho | amphi: there's 58 of them, do I test each one? |
| 22:40.05 | person2 | y7deluxe: Hmm? What do you mean? The login screen? |
| 22:40.28 | amphi | ShadowPho: not if you know which serial port your mouse is plugged into ;) |
| 22:40.30 | ShadowPho | person2: do I just type xorgconfig |
| 22:40.33 | y7deluxe | person2, when you install debian, it has a setup that you go through to setup everything. i want to get back to that screen to setup my eth1 |
| 22:40.45 | amphi | ShadowPho: ttyS0 is the first, S1 the second, etc |
| 22:40.52 | ShadowPho | amphi: I only have one in the back.. should I consult dmesg? |
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| 22:41.12 | amphi | ShadowPho: ttyS0 then probably |
| 22:41.36 | person2 | y7deluxe: There's probably a standalone program that will do it for you. Google search and look at the Wiki. |
| 22:41.36 | ShadowPho | amphi: cat i/o error |
| 22:41.52 | ShadowPho | amphi: for ttyS1, ttys0 did nothing |
| 22:41.53 | y7deluxe | i'll just reformat, it'll be easier |
| 22:42.02 | y7deluxe | google and wiki with debian is like a needle in a hay stack |
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| 22:42.36 | nsadmin | ShadowPho: you sure your mouse is on a serial port? |
| 22:42.41 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm trying to enable rotation of the display and I've been trying adding Option "RandRRotate" "true" in various places (device / screen / monitor) in xorg.conf, but no luck yet. Anyone able to point me in the right place please? |
| 22:42.46 | nkuttler | y7deluxe: do you have a bootable debian system? |
| 22:42.49 | amphi | ShadowPho: IIRC, there's a serial mouse howto at tldp.org, of great antiquity |
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| 22:43.09 | ShadowPho | nsadmin: sadly, yep |
| 22:43.18 | kefalo | How to control a mplayer remotely from another computer. for example via ssh... i have a comp with 22" monitor and acer aspire one. question, how can i from acer aspire one control mplayer on my main computer? |
| 22:43.18 | ShadowPho | amphi: is it vievable using lynx? |
| 22:43.26 | person2 | ShadowPho: Type xorgconfig and see what happens |
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| 22:43.36 | amphi | ShadowPho: sure - personally, I find w3m more pleasant |
| 22:43.43 | person2 | ShadowPho: If it's not there, try and get it from the Debian repos. |
| 22:43.45 | epsas | kefalo - you could use vlc too. vlc has an xmlrpc / web interface |
| 22:43.50 | nsadmin | ShadowPho: do you have a separate serial card? or are your serial ports on the motherboard? |
| 22:44.03 | y7deluxe | nkuttler, yes |
| 22:44.10 | ShadowPho | person2: I can't find it |
| 22:44.19 | ShadowPho | nsadmin: in the motherboard |
| 22:44.24 | y7deluxe | there's a one-word command, and i use to know it, but don't anymore to get the initial setup to run again |
| 22:44.37 | nkuttler | y7deluxe: define initial setup |
| 22:44.43 | ShadowPho | amphi: thank you, downloading w3m |
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| 22:45.01 | kefalo | epsas, yeah but in vlc i cant get nice smooth picture... its not smooth like in mplayer and in other players... |
| 22:45.07 | nsadmin | ShadowPho: go into your bios settings, find the port settings (irq and port number) for all the serial ports you have |
| 22:45.15 | y7deluxe | when you put the debian cd in to install, it goes through a setup. you setup the administrative passwords, the eth0 and eth1, you setup whether you wanna install printer server software, webserver software, etc... |
| 22:45.30 | nkuttler | y7deluxe: tasksel |
| 22:45.35 | y7deluxe | thx |
| 22:45.36 | ShadowPho | nsadmin: is there any way to get my motherboard type from linux? |
| 22:45.46 | lunartear | what do you guys think the best way to backup a bunch of user's email accounts to another machine? rsync? |
| 22:45.53 | nsadmin | not that I know about |
| 22:45.58 | nkuttler | lunartear: i like backuppc |
| 22:45.59 | epsas | kefalo - ? they use the same codecs |
| 22:46.03 | ShadowPho | nsadmin: the reason I am asking is because I can't get into BIOS by pressing DEL/F2/F10, so I need a manual to find the button |
| 22:46.18 | epsas | kefalo - i think you may be mistaken... |
| 22:46.34 | y7deluxe | nkuttler, that was almost what i was looking for. i'm really interested in the part about setting up eth0 and eth1 because i deleted eth1 and don't know how to add it back any other way |
| 22:46.40 | nsadmin | you're probably going to have to look at the motherboard, maybe with a magnifying glass |
| 22:46.57 | ShadowPho | nsadmin: would it be easier to connect another mouse? |
| 22:47.11 | nsadmin | another mouse to what kind of port? |
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| 22:47.11 | person2 | ShadowPho: You could just open the box up and have a look. But make sure that the PSU is OFF, the computer is UNPLUGGED and do NOT touch anything - just a gentle *touch* can destroy your computer by static electricity jumping accross. |
| 22:47.18 | kefalo | epsas, picture in vlc is not smooth ... its like i have a movie with a resolution (example) 640x480 and when i watch movie in fullscreen i see big pixels its not smooth like in mplayer |
| 22:47.29 | lunartear | y7deluxe: /etc/network/interfaces or ifconfig |
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| 22:47.36 | epsas | kefalo - turn on post-processing |
| 22:47.41 | ShadowPho | person2: awesome, thank you! I will dig up another mouse and take a look at the motherboard :) |
| 22:47.45 | kefalo | epsas, sec |
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| 22:47.57 | person2 | Be very careful though ShadowPho |
| 22:48.20 | ShadowPho | person2: don't worry, not the first time getting in there. I am only a newbie at debian :) |
| 22:48.22 | y7deluxe | lunartear, i updated eht1 with the gui and then when i used ifconfig to check it, it never updated. so i deleted eth1 and wanted to reinstall it, but that's when everything went downhill |
| 22:48.31 | person2 | I don't want to hear in The News that a young man aged 15-30 died of electrostatic discharge the night before. |
| 22:49.01 | ShadowPho | person2: hey, I actually handled 2.2F capacitors the day before |
| 22:49.05 | person2 | Just don't touch anything inside and you shuld be find though :P |
| 22:49.19 | nsadmin | that discharge would be dishonorable... |
| 22:49.22 | ShadowPho | person2: when they are charged they have about a 100 more energy than a taser |
| 22:49.27 | vn | dpkg tell me about dist-upgrade |
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| 22:49.57 | vn | um |
| 22:50.05 | vn | I want the fact about etch to lenny |
| 22:50.08 | person2 | ShadowPho: This makes me even more nervous :P |
| 22:50.14 | ShadowPho | dpkg tell me about life |
| 22:50.16 | person2 | I hope you're a professional |
| 22:50.31 | ShadowPho | person2: yep, I get paid at college to build their H-bridges |
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| 22:50.41 | nsadmin | vn: read the lenny release notes and follow the instructions there |
| 22:50.56 | ShadowPho | person2: it's kinda great because I get access to their milling stations so I can mill all the boards in the world |
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| 22:51.46 | y7deluxe | lunartear, this is what i was looking for: http://www.goitexpert.com/article-images/qemuarm_image004.jpg |
| 22:51.57 | y7deluxe | what's the cmd i can run to get back to that setup? |
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| 22:52.34 | ed__ | spbac: I lie |
| 22:52.49 | ed__ | it only launches lxde after it failed when I told it to launch it because of the same problem :P |
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| 22:54.09 | ed__ | spbac: -bash: /home/ed/.xinitrc:: No such file or directory |
| 22:54.23 | kefalo | epsas, thx! |
| 22:54.37 | epsas | kefalo - did that work? =) |
| 22:54.37 | y7deluxe | does anybody know the command to run the debian initial setup that you have to go through during installation. this screen: http://www.goitexpert.com/article-images/qemuarm_image004.jpg |
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| 22:55.00 | kefalo | epsas, yeah... i just couldnt find that option before... its rly hidden ;) |
| 22:55.01 | ed__ | spbac: hang on again |
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| 22:55.13 | lunartear | y7deluxe are you just wanting to configure eth1? |
| 22:55.24 | y7deluxe | i just want the intitial debian setup screen |
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| 22:55.39 | y7deluxe | configing eth1 is going to take me hours to figure out, if i can figure out this one command i can be on my way |
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| 22:56.11 | amphi | y7deluxe: just set it up in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:56.46 | y7deluxe | i'll just reformat |
| 22:56.51 | y7deluxe | thx for all the help though. |
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| 22:57.18 | amphi | y7deluxe: man 5 interfaces; it |
| 22:57.31 | amphi | y7deluxe: it's quite simple |
| 22:57.37 | y7deluxe | for you it is, for me it is not |
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| 22:59.59 | amphi | y7deluxe: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:00.30 | y7deluxe | i deleted eth1 in my gui. i would like to re-add it under the ip 192.168.1.101 |
| 23:00.41 | nsadmin | y7deluxe: sooner or later you're going to have to edit a config file |
| 23:01.06 | y7deluxe | the problem is, when i re-add it, eth0 is setup to use dhcp and when i reinstall eth1, it doesn't give me an internet connection, so i need to get that intial setup so i can point eth1 to eth0 as the default gateway |
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| 23:01.36 | y7deluxe | nsadmin, it'd be alot easier if i could setup eth1 first so i can use synergy on my setup, because right now i'm bent over typing |
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| 23:05.34 | nsadmin | well that would leave me out of the conversation... I'm not familiar with the gui methods |
| 23:05.41 | y7deluxe | nsadmin, even if i install it back with the interfaces file, how do i add in the MAC address? |
| 23:05.42 | lunartear | y7deluxe you could do ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.101 netmask 255.255.255.0 up; route add -net default gw 192.168.1.1 dev eth1 |
| 23:05.59 | lunartear | the mac address is associated with the device already |
| 23:06.07 | y7deluxe | but i deleted the device |
| 23:06.10 | nsadmin | no -net on the default |
| 23:06.25 | lunartear | ah k |
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| 23:07.02 | nsadmin | deleted? from what? |
| 23:07.21 | y7deluxe | from the gui network setup |
| 23:07.23 | nsadmin | you're trying to create a router I presume? |
| 23:07.29 | y7deluxe | yes |
| 23:08.01 | nsadmin | and the usual home setup of like cable modem or dsl modem and one IP, dhcp? |
| 23:09.11 | nsadmin | (for the outside, and for the inside...) |
| 23:09.38 | nsadmin | fake IPs, and lots of em? |
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| 23:10.01 | person | spbac: Problem solved |
| 23:11.01 | person | spbac: In slim.conf, "exec /bin/bash -login ~/.Xsession %session" or whatever it was should have been "exec /bin/bash -login ~/.xinitrc %session" |
| 23:11.45 | GT1 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg hasn't worked in ages, and nvidia-xconfig makes things worse. I don't think compiling the modules on my own using nvidia's script is going to help- how the heck am I supposed to get hardware accelleration on my nvidia card to work? |
| 23:11.56 | nsadmin | works fine for me :P |
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| 23:12.27 | GT1 | nsadmin: What does? |
| 23:12.48 | nsadmin | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:13.19 | GT1 | nsadmin: It works, but it doesn't set anything in regards to the screen anymore. |
| 23:13.24 | person | I should leave. Night people - and good luck! |
| 23:13.34 | GT1 | It just goes through the configuration of the keyboard, really. |
| 23:14.00 | nsadmin | then you may have to hand edit the config file |
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| 23:14.43 | GT1 | If I do that, it'll be the same as running nvidia-xconfig, which causes X to fail. |
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| 23:15.10 | vn | hey I'm dist-upgrading from etch to lenny and its asking me about my md's...but I dont remember if I used LVMs or not, how do I know? |
| 23:15.13 | phaidros | hm serverquestion, how do you guys enable users to restart a fastcgi app? (in an ideal world this app is handled by initscripts, so it comes up after a reboot e.g.) |
| 23:15.15 | GT1 | nsadmin: If I do that, it'll be the same as running nvidia-xconfig, which causes X to fail. |
| 23:15.47 | nsadmin | vn: look at your partition table, try running lvscan |
| 23:16.07 | vn | command not found so i guess I have none |
| 23:16.20 | nsadmin | fdisk -l |
| 23:16.52 | nsadmin | what user are you logged in as |
| 23:16.57 | phaidros | yay: http://www.undefinedfire.com/lab/user-init-scripts/ |
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| 23:16.58 | vn | ok, theres none under "system" |
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| 23:17.01 | vn | root |
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| 23:18.49 | micket | Since i upgraded xorg (in sid) some time ago, my second keyboard doens't have the same repeat rate as my built in. I used to set it through "xset r rate 200 40", and now i have to do it again after i plug in the second keyboard. Is there a better way to set the default? Maybe some way that'll work even outside X? |
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| 23:21.25 | BCM43 | when gnome settings manager is run I get this error: http://pastebin.com/m29dd0387 Could someone take a look at it? |
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| 23:22.33 | nkuttler | BCM43: did you try what it suggests? |
| 23:22.48 | BCM43 | nkuttler: ** (gnome-settings-daemon:3845): WARNING **: Unknown option --gst-disable-segtrap |
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| 23:23.01 | nsadmin | micket: things can change a lot when you upgrade things... and if you don't check what the upgrades do, you can be surprised |
| 23:23.03 | cheebird | hi, debian |
| 23:23.06 | BCM43 | hi |
| 23:23.23 | cheebird | oh look, it's my network card |
| 23:23.30 | cheebird | what are you doing here. |
| 23:23.34 | BCM43 | ha ha |
| 23:23.59 | nkuttler | BCM43: the other suggestion |
| 23:24.11 | cheebird | you've given me enough trouble, and now you're following me around on irc ;[ |
| 23:24.17 | BCM43 | nkuttler: that is what the paste bin is |
| 23:24.28 | BCM43 | cheebird: lol, I feel your pain. |
| 23:24.37 | cheebird | haha<3 |
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| 23:24.47 | nkuttler | BCM43: did you miss the "either" part? |
| 23:24.53 | neoice | I like how the bcm43xx driver didnt support 4328 |
| 23:25.07 | BCM43 | nkuttler: yea, that is what I tried |
| 23:25.20 | nkuttler | BCM43: either implies two options.. |
| 23:25.25 | BCM43 | nkuttler: oh |
| 23:25.29 | BCM43 | nkuttler: i see |
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| 23:25.48 | BCM43 | nkuttler: now that you mention it, i really should try. |
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| 23:28.26 | rcbarnes | how much of a risk is it to upgrade the packages /libc6(-dev)?(-i386)?/ from stable to testing on an otherwise mostly lenny system? |
| 23:29.07 | kanonmat | libc6 is kind of central :) |
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| 23:29.54 | nkuttler | rcbarnes: why would you want to do that? |
| 23:30.14 | phaidros | is there any recommended way to have user-owned initscripts? |
| 23:31.06 | kanonmat | is there some new fresh testing pkg that wants a newer libc6? |
| 23:31.25 | rcbarnes | nkuttler: so I can resolve some dependencies for other testing packages I use |
| 23:31.43 | nkuttler | rcbarnes: don't do that. use backports or build your own |
| 23:32.10 | rcbarnes | nkuttler: thanks for the warning. |
| 23:32.21 | nkuttler | rcbarnes: /msg dpkg backports |
| 23:32.47 | rcbarnes | nkuttler: I have used backports, but thanks for the reminder about the bot. |
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| 23:33.17 | nsadmin | rcbarnes: libc6 is not something you want to upgrade |
| 23:34.36 | nsadmin | reason: just about everything on your installation depends on libc6 |
| 23:35.21 | cgibin | due to sshfs group has been asign different number upon upload i get "Permission denied" chown: changing ownership of Permission denied --- can i use chgrp to fix this issue |
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| 23:35.57 | nsadmin | they can only be run as root |
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| 23:39.06 | BCM43 | nkuttler: still does now work |
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| 23:39.52 | BCM43 | when gnome settings manager is run I get this error: http://pastebin.com/m29dd0387 Could someone take a look at it? |
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| 23:40.53 | nkuttler | BCM43: apt-get remove gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg |
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| 23:42.56 | BCM43 | nkuttler: thanks, is there a way to have it not installed on future updates? |
| 23:43.22 | nkuttler | BCM43: hm, not sure, try /msg dpkg hold |
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| 23:45.53 | BCM43 | nkuttler: thanks, aptitude hold <name> |
| 23:45.59 | ttl- | i'm having troubles with ipmasq in several boxes |
| 23:46.17 | ttl- | the problem seems to be in stable and testing |
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| 23:47.25 | ttl- | routing does not work after reboot and works again after restart of ipmasq |
| 23:47.26 | nsadmin | hmm, waiting for first clue of what the problem is |
| 23:47.46 | nsadmin | routing? |
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| 23:47.58 | nsadmin | -Sysmailer:#debian- You have 2 new messages. Type /server mail to read. |
| 23:48.03 | nsadmin | what is that? |
| 23:48.09 | charitwo | nsadmin: a bad command |
| 23:48.17 | charitwo | nsadmin: it will disconnect you, just ignore it |
| 23:48.40 | nsadmin | stew :) |
| 23:48.41 | themill | thanks, stew |
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| 23:50.01 | ttl- | if i install the ipmasq and reboot the machine it is totally unreachable |
| 23:50.32 | nsadmin | ttl-: do you presently have physical access to the machine? |
| 23:50.43 | ttl- | nsadmin: yes |
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| 23:51.19 | nsadmin | could you pastebin the output of: ls -C /etc/rc2.d |
| 23:51.28 | shadowpho | I got a USB mouse, and it doesn't work. cat /dev/input/mice gives nothing and the laser on it stays off :( |
| 23:51.57 | ttl- | nsadmin: while it is not working or after /etc/init.d/ipmasq restart ? |
| 23:52.06 | nsadmin | any time |
| 23:52.12 | ttl- | ok |
| 23:52.13 | nsadmin | now would be fine :) |
| 23:52.46 | ttl- | DME S12acpid S20exim4 S20noip2 S22ipmasq-kmod S89cron S99rmnologin |
| 23:52.46 | ttl- | S10rsyslog S16ssh S20nfs-common S21ipmasq S89atd S99rc.local S99stop-bootlogd |
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| 23:54.03 | shadowpho | Is there any drivers I need for a USB mice? |
| 23:54.10 | ttl- | nsadmin: this is after i did the /etc/init.d/ipmasq restart and things work again |
| 23:54.34 | nsadmin | ipmasq will calculate a whole new firewall when you do that |
| 23:54.53 | shadowpho | When I plug in my USB mice in/out dmesg has no new messages |
| 23:54.57 | ttl- | nsadmin: i'm rebooting the machine and see if the command gives the same result |
| 23:55.08 | nsadmin | it will |
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| 23:55.12 | nsadmin | don't worry about that |
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| 23:55.40 | shadowpho | Do I need to recompile my kernel with USB support :(? |
| 23:56.03 | abrotman | uh .. not with debian |
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| 23:56.36 | shadowpho | what is the command that shows all USB connected? |
| 23:56.45 | abrotman | lsusb |
| 23:57.02 | nsadmin | no one will bother you with a 2-line paste (as you did) but note that pastebin means a web site where you can put things like text files and command outputs |
| 23:57.31 | nsadmin | rafb.net/paste is a pastebin site you could use |
| 23:57.34 | shadowpho | aaa my PC just beeeped for no reason! |
| 23:58.14 | nsadmin | shadowpho: you might check your /var/log/auth.log |
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| 23:59.01 | shadowpho | clear |
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| 23:59.18 | shadowpho | nsadmin: what should I look for in the file? |
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