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| 00:02.56 | skypce | what is the name of a desktop gmone |
| 00:03.03 | skypce | not gnome |
| 00:03.10 | skypce | but similar |
| 00:04.00 | bor0 | is netinst the only way to install basic console-only system? |
| 00:04.12 | c2b | does apt-key add usually take a bit to execute? |
| 00:05.02 | themill | bor0: no, all the installers will do exactly the same thing, the only difference is when you download the packages (before installation to burn the CD or during installation when putting them on the HDD) |
| 00:05.23 | bor0 | I see, thank you |
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| 00:08.24 | Hawson | 'evening all |
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| 00:12.05 | Shazzamy | ok, so i have a dell computer from way back in 2000-2001. and i have winxp on it with ubuntu at the moment |
| 00:12.15 | Shazzamy | and i would like to put debian on it as well |
| 00:12.43 | Shazzamy | i tryed to download the debian-cd torrents, but there are 31 of them and thats over 10gigs |
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| 00:13.28 | Shazzamy | so, i was wondering if i needed to download all the cd torrents..? |
| 00:13.36 | simonrvn | only 1 needed |
| 00:14.11 | Shazzamy | why are there 31 then? |
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| 00:16.51 | bor0 | Shazzamy the other CDs only include packages you most likely will not need |
| 00:16.52 | tvaal | Because there are 30K+ number of packages. They are a bit hard to fit on one cd. |
| 00:17.08 | Shazzamy | ok |
| 00:17.20 | Shazzamy | so which one should i use? |
| 00:17.34 | Shazzamy | also i was thinking of putting debian on my other computer |
| 00:17.52 | Shazzamy | cause the dell im using only have an 80GB hard drive |
| 00:17.58 | Shazzamy | and i dont want to upgrade hard drive |
| 00:18.01 | wOPr | n8@all |
| 00:18.11 | Shazzamy | my other, hp, wiht vista on it has a 400GB harddrive |
| 00:18.49 | Shazzamy | so i need to download only one "debian-cd" ? |
| 00:18.58 | Shazzamy | what do the numbers mean on it? |
| 00:18.58 | bor0 | only the first one |
| 00:19.09 | Shazzamy | ok |
| 00:19.11 | Shazzamy | thanks |
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| 00:19.30 | Shazzamy | also, im really sorry that i am stupid... |
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| 00:19.56 | Shazzamy | and the live-cd will allow me to partition my hard drive like the ubuntu one i have? |
| 00:20.05 | bor0 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-501-i386-CD-1.iso this is what you need most likely |
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| 00:20.31 | Shazzamy | ok |
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| 00:20.37 | themill | !netinstall |
| 00:20.37 | simonrvn | "only" at the 80 gb |
| 00:20.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image (or set of floppy images) which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
| 00:20.37 | Shazzamy | i had that in the first place |
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| 00:21.17 | Shazzamy | but i already had cd-1 through 4 downloaded from torrents |
| 00:21.35 | Shazzamy | and then i realized that having all 31 was a lot |
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| 00:23.01 | Shazzamy | about 20GB... |
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| 00:24.31 | daemonwebshark | What terminal command do I use to install xen? |
| 00:24.42 | Shazzamy | ok, and also, i have an hp, like i said before, tat has vista on it. but it says it has an AMD 64x (Athlon) for a processor, but it runs 32-bit Windows |
| 00:24.51 | Shazzamy | i need the amd64 cd image right? |
| 00:25.10 | Shazzamy | apt-get install xen? |
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| 00:25.42 | Shazzamy | sudo apt-get install xen |
| 00:25.55 | simonrvn | it can run i386 or amd64 versions |
| 00:26.02 | themill | !sudosmite Shazzamy |
| 00:26.02 | dpkg | takes a lump of 2x4 to Shazzamy and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!" |
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| 00:26.21 | Supaplex | !tell Shazzamy -about enter |
| 00:26.28 | Shazzamy | ? |
| 00:26.52 | Shazzamy | you cant do that on debian? |
| 00:27.04 | Shazzamy | Sorry then. :( |
| 00:27.27 | Supaplex | Shazzamy: sure you can. |
| 00:27.43 | Shazzamy | simonrvn: also i have a laptop with and amd64x |
| 00:27.47 | abrotman | Shazzamy: and you should be using aptitude |
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| 00:28.03 | Shazzamy | but it only works with amd64 |
| 00:28.12 | Shazzamy | for ubuntu, or whatever the file is called |
| 00:28.17 | Supaplex | Shazzamy: /msg dpkg amd64 I suspect your cpu supports it. |
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| 00:29.02 | Shazzamy | ok |
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| 00:29.06 | Shazzamy | but im on my dell atm |
| 00:29.12 | Shazzamy | not the amd64 desktop |
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| 00:35.09 | micols | http://nopaste.com/p/abn8icQErb looks weird, i was almost sure domain exports used to work like this, any idea? |
| 00:35.20 | micols | works with * instead of *.local :), i mount from 192.168.0.20 |
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| 00:37.12 | sivik | after i installed flashplayer-nonfree, it loads in iceweasel but after i hit the play button (which is annoying by the way), it doesn't load anything |
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| 00:45.16 | abrotman | sivik: that's not adobe flash |
| 00:45.34 | sivik | i understand that |
| 00:45.35 | at0m|c | sivik: that "annoying" is just your opinion, and afaik it's there cos of flashblock not cos of flashplayer-nonfree |
| 00:45.52 | sivik | how do i unblock the flashblock? |
| 00:45.58 | at0m|c | i'd check my addons |
| 00:46.05 | abrotman | sivik: update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so |
| 00:46.15 | simonrvn | don't use it? whitelist that site? it has docs you know. |
| 00:46.37 | hermione_g | Hey guys. Does anyone know a good guide of how to configurate exim4? I really don't want my server to become an open relay... ;-) |
| 00:47.04 | hermione_g | *configure |
| 00:48.06 | abrotman | hermione_g: you'd probably want to ask #exim |
| 00:48.30 | hermione_g | Oh, there's a channel - thanks |
| 00:49.50 | sivik | i am really not doing something right |
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| 00:57.22 | sivik | something i did just fixed it |
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| 01:01.19 | micols | sivik: why use nonfree? |
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| 01:01.41 | nick4 | I am searching for a tutotal to tell me howto change from static LAN IP to dhcp. Googling for: /etc/network/interfaces dhcp sample didn't give anything like what I want. |
| 01:01.57 | sivik | what do you mean micols? it works now |
| 01:02.00 | micols | nick4: ifconfig eth0 inet x.x.x.x netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 01:02.05 | micols | oh |
| 01:02.09 | micols | just run dhclient eth0 :) |
| 01:02.21 | micols | but in your interfaces do: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 01:02.30 | micols | single-liner... and have an auto eth0 on top |
| 01:02.34 | flaccid | auto eth0 |
| 01:02.34 | flaccid | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 01:02.42 | Supaplex | does ifconfig need to die? wasn't it was deprecated eons ago? |
| 01:02.44 | flaccid | oops |
| 01:02.54 | micols | flaccid: thats correct, all you need |
| 01:03.00 | nick4 | micket last time I did it, I just edited /etc/network/interfaces, then ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 |
| 01:03.01 | micols | flaccid: that will bring your interface up at boot |
| 01:03.03 | flaccid | sorry the double paste micket |
| 01:03.12 | flaccid | micket yeah im not the one who needs it heh |
| 01:03.12 | nick4 | Ok, I will try these. brb. |
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| 01:03.23 | micols | flaccid: just 'dhclient' as root , or sudo dhclient |
| 01:03.26 | Wyzard | Supaplex: yes |
| 01:03.30 | micols | that will bring down+up interface and get dhcp |
| 01:03.35 | flaccid | micket you don't need to tell me |
| 01:03.49 | micols | hehe wrong person i think :) |
| 01:03.55 | micols | was nick_h i ment :) |
| 01:03.59 | flaccid | yeah |
| 01:04.09 | micols | nick4.. even.. and he just left |
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| 01:08.50 | tarzeau | is richard lewis here? |
| 01:09.38 | abrotman | i am! |
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| 01:21.06 | bookmark | hi |
| 01:21.30 | bookmark | what program can build a data dvd from console? contrib even |
| 01:21.37 | abrotman | for which OS? |
| 01:22.05 | tarzeau | wodim? |
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| 01:22.11 | bookmark | debian |
| 01:22.22 | tarzeau | no that's for burning |
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| 01:24.09 | kanonmat | genisoimage |
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| 01:28.28 | kanonmat | was i right? :) |
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| 01:35.37 | maximi89 | quien tiene algún bluetooth dongle? |
| 01:35.58 | abrotman | !br |
| 01:35.58 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:35.58 | maximi89 | who have a dongle device |
| 01:36.00 | abrotman | i think ? |
| 01:36.10 | abrotman | oh .. it was |
| 01:36.11 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:36.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:36.18 | maximi89 | yes i was confused, i have both opened ehehe |
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| 01:36.44 | maximi89 | who have a Bluetooth Dongle device? |
| 01:37.23 | maximi89 | i'm trying to get work my Bluetooth https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/bluez/+bug/268502?comments=all |
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| 01:37.32 | maximi89 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/289836 |
| 01:38.18 | suinestudio | i want to install wine here on my debian etch |
| 01:38.36 | suinestudio | but i dont have it on synaptic, can someone tell me the repos that wine is available?: |
| 01:38.40 | maximi89 | you need to add a line to your repository |
| 01:38.53 | pasky | Hi! I need to non-interactively reconfigure exim4 installations on bunch of lenny machines - how to go about it? I tried using custom debconf database or debconf selections, but the default configuration always ends up being used. |
| 01:38.53 | maximi89 | deb http://www.lamaresh.net/apt sid main |
| 01:40.14 | abrotman | suinestudio: etch has wine |
| 01:40.19 | abrotman | maximi89: do not give him that |
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| 01:40.30 | abrotman | maximi89: if you want ubuntu support, go to #ubuntu |
| 01:40.32 | suinestudio | actually, im using 64studio |
| 01:40.39 | suinestudio | many repos are not on my sources.lst |
| 01:40.46 | abrotman | suinestudio: that's not going to help you, go to #studio64 or whatever it is |
| 01:41.03 | suinestudio | that channel its with me, chanserv and 2 ghosts |
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| 01:41.12 | abrotman | oh #64studio |
| 01:41.16 | dea1 | hello |
| 01:41.28 | suinestudio | both ones |
| 01:41.32 | abrotman | suinestudio: then ask ##linux .. we do not support debian based distros here |
| 01:41.38 | abrotman | or install debian |
| 01:41.41 | suinestudio | thanks |
| 01:42.00 | suinestudio | i was on debian, but all the mess to get the rt kernel took me to 64studio |
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| 01:42.54 | dea1 | debian has both gcc 4.3 and gcc 4.4 in the repositories; is there a way to make gcc 4.4 the compiler called when just "gcc" is typed |
| 01:43.05 | dea1 | I know you can adjust the symlinks manually |
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| 01:43.14 | dea1 | but is there some way inside the package system |
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| 01:43.21 | dea1 | like update-alternatives or something |
| 01:43.23 | abrotman | you can change the symlink .. but ideally you just want to leave that be and explicitly use gcc-4.4 when you wan tit |
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| 01:44.34 | dea1 | OK |
| 01:46.18 | maximi89 | abrotman: why don't give them that link? |
| 01:46.54 | abrotman | because it's not for etch? |
| 01:47.36 | maximi89 | a ok, but changing sid for etch works :P deb http://www.lamaresh.net/apt etch main |
| 01:48.06 | abrotman | just stop doing that .. etch has wine .. he wasn't using etch |
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| 01:49.56 | maximi89 | ok |
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| 01:53.58 | suinestudio | i got this reop |
| 01:54.04 | suinestudio | but it claims i got no private key |
| 01:54.11 | abrotman | suinestudio: go to ##linux |
| 01:54.21 | suinestudio | im already there |
| 01:54.31 | abrotman | you're offtopic here, and you can be banned |
| 01:54.41 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 01:54.41 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 01:55.27 | suinestudio | sorry abrotman |
| 01:56.03 | qiyong | Architecture: |
| 01:56.04 | qiyong | should I use any or all? |
| 01:57.43 | anoHito | qiyong, ? |
| 01:58.24 | qiyong | anoHito: for packaging |
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| 02:00.07 | anoHito | qiyong, package what ? |
| 02:00.51 | suinestudio | abrotman, ill try #debian-offtopic |
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| 02:01.08 | qiyong | anoHito: making deb |
| 02:01.20 | anoHito | qiyong, simple ,google. |
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| 02:03.07 | abrotman | suinestudio: you can ask ##linux, #64studio or #winehq |
| 02:03.52 | suinestudio | thanks |
| 02:05.10 | dserban | Ok, I need to change my gnome cursor theme back to stock, any tips on what the heck I can google to find out the magical debian way how? |
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| 02:10.08 | sober | a |
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| 02:11.44 | lewis2 | how can I specify which SSH key to use with git? |
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| 02:18.05 | unomi | how can I see what line endings are used in a file? |
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| 02:24.09 | maximi89 | unomi: you mean something like strace? |
| 02:24.28 | nsadmin | unomi: emacs hexl mode |
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| 02:25.51 | bjk | lewis2, if not with git, create an SSH host alias in ~/.ssh/config. |
| 02:26.05 | lewis2 | ooh |
| 02:26.21 | cg_uira | judd: pciid 8086:4222 |
| 02:26.22 | judd | cg_uira: [8086:4222] is 'PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'iwl3945' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4222 |
| 02:26.33 | lewis2 | I just type 'git pull' though, and it uses ~/.ssh/id_rsa |
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| 02:29.26 | bjk | lewis2, oh, you'll need to modify .git/config |
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| 02:30.07 | lewis222 | is there a command for the config, called 'ssh-key' or similar? ;) |
| 02:30.13 | bjk | lewis2, so it uses ssh://hostalias/repo/path in the url spec. |
| 02:30.37 | nsadmin | lewis222: the command to use is your favorite text editor |
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| 02:31.00 | lewis222 | nsadmin: I meant in the config ;) |
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| 02:31.30 | lewis222 | bjk: I'm confused - where in the url spec to I specify the location of the desired SSH key? |
| 02:32.25 | ustunozgur_ | Hi, I can't connect to svn servers with http/https. I was able to, yesterday. Any ideas what might be causing the problem? I'm running Debian Sid. |
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| 02:33.30 | nsadmin | ustunozgur_: given there's no actual information yet, no idea |
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| 02:33.53 | nsadmin | !any ideas |
| 02:33.54 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little vegemite, and a dozen three-legged dairy cows. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 02:34.11 | bjk | lewis2, you'll have to create an SSH host alias that specifies the key, then use that host alias in the git url spec. |
| 02:34.33 | lewis222 | bjk: ah - smart |
| 02:34.40 | ustunozgur_ | nsadmin, well there is no other information. it just says "could not connect to server" |
| 02:34.51 | enouf | add -vvv |
| 02:35.06 | nsadmin | try pinging it |
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| 02:35.14 | enouf | !pong |
| 02:35.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, pong is the best name on IRC eg. /ping pong, or *the* classic video game |
| 02:35.26 | ustunozgur_ | it pings. |
| 02:35.39 | enouf | dns or perm isue |
| 02:35.43 | enouf | issue* |
| 02:35.47 | nsadmin | try: telnet <thatsite> 22 |
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| 02:37.09 | ustunozgur_ | it says telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 02:37.39 | nsadmin | ok, either sshd is not running on that machine or there's something inbetween blocking |
| 02:38.25 | ustunozgur_ | nsadmin, I can't checkout from other svn server too. for example google code. |
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| 02:38.38 | ustunozgur_ | but another machine here can connect. |
| 02:38.58 | nsadmin | see? you do have information :) |
| 02:39.27 | nsadmin | can connect to both machines? |
| 02:40.13 | eikenberry | Updated to gfdisk a while back and got the cylindar boundary errors when listing the partitions. |
| 02:40.21 | eikenberry | Eg. Warning: Partition 5 does not end on cylinder boundary. |
| 02:40.29 | ustunozgur_ | another machine running ubuntu can checkout, commit. |
| 02:40.31 | eikenberry | Is there a way of fixing this without nuking and recreating the partitions? Like with (g)parted or something? |
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| 02:41.31 | enouf | eikenberry: explain more - that's usually not a fatal error, IINM |
| 02:41.50 | nsadmin | ustunozgur_: so that rules out "sshd not running on the server" |
| 02:41.53 | enouf | eikenberry: try fdisk -l, sfdisk -l outputs |
| 02:41.59 | eikenberry | enouf. It's not. In fact there is no problem except the warnings as of yet. |
| 02:42.30 | enouf | eikenberry: right - so .. supposedly sfdisk can/does try to fix those - however read man sfdisk |
| 02:42.31 | eikenberry | fdisk is an the gnu-fdisk |
| 02:42.36 | eikenberry | -an |
| 02:42.53 | enouf | eikenberry: yes, no windows software discussed |
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| 02:43.24 | eikenberry | No windows on the machine. Debian testing. |
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| 02:44.07 | enouf | eikenberry: certain partitioning tools can see various amounts of differenet types of partition type/tables/slices, etc |
| 02:44.51 | eikenberry | The partitions were created with the fdisk in etch I think. Or maybe an early Lenny. |
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| 02:45.15 | enouf | and then some can work with certain types - think GPT, or BSD slices, as oppposed to typical MS-dos style partitioning |
| 02:45.36 | enouf | eikenberry: i like 'parted' |
| 02:45.57 | eikenberry | enouf. sfdisk -l doesn't show the warnings. But it doesn't fix them. |
| 02:46.24 | enouf | eikenberry: right - there's a simple command outlined that does try to fix it |
| 02:46.30 | eikenberry | enouf. Oh. Need to read the man page. |
| 02:46.31 | enouf | in the man page |
| 02:46.38 | enouf | yes |
| 02:46.40 | eikenberry | nods. Right. |
| 02:46.46 | eikenberry | reads man page. |
| 02:46.57 | hexoroid | is there a way to leave your self a reminder next time you login as a root ? |
| 02:47.05 | eikenberry | enouf. thanks. |
| 02:47.18 | enouf | hexoroid: i usually alter/color PS1 |
| 02:47.24 | enouf | eikenberry: no prob |
| 02:47.40 | enouf | hexoroid: echo $PS1 |
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| 02:48.06 | enouf | oh dear - i hope you don't mean GUI ... |
| 02:48.54 | squisher | hey, I just switched an HDD from an old computer to a new one, and it seems the new one uses sda instead of hda. |
| 02:49.10 | squisher | I changed the references in grub and fstab, but still it is looking for hda |
| 02:49.19 | enouf | squisher: change /etc/fstab accordingly and ,menu.lst |
| 02:49.26 | squisher | it is in the initrd, I think? |
| 02:49.50 | enouf | squisher: why would you not post that info all as one? |
| 02:50.22 | enouf | squisher: using UUID= or LABEL= is the other way |
| 02:50.37 | squisher | enouf, because I don't really know why the initrd is referencing the /dev device in the first place |
| 02:50.47 | enouf | squisher: i suspect your BIOS needs adjustment |
| 02:50.57 | squisher | I'm running a stock debian kernel though, no customized initrd |
| 02:51.07 | enouf | it's not, unless you have some exotic mdadm / lvm or something |
| 02:51.12 | enouf | right |
| 02:51.17 | ustunozgur_ | how do I check if I have firewall running? maybe that causes the problem (even though I haven't installed one, I suspect if it was installed as a dependency) |
| 02:51.29 | squisher | ugh, this bios has like no settings.... what do you think I need to change enouf? |
| 02:51.29 | enouf | !can't mount root |
| 02:51.29 | dpkg | If you can't mount the root file system when you boot your custom kernel, it means you have failed to include support for either: (a) your root file system (e.g. ext3), or (b) your disk controller (IDE, SCSI, etc.). These cannot be modules, unless you use an initrd. Go check your config again. or make sure your bootloader knows about your initrd |
| 02:51.42 | enouf | er .. wrong one |
| 02:52.01 | abrotman | !waiting root filesystem |
| 02:52.04 | ustunozgur_ | can it be related to Selinux stuff? |
| 02:52.06 | abrotman | bah .. you find it :) |
| 02:52.11 | enouf | squisher: you'd need to post more detailed info |
| 02:52.27 | enouf | abrotman: no, you! :-p |
| 02:52.33 | abrotman | !waiting for root filesystem |
| 02:52.33 | dpkg | If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the GRUB menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root> <uuid> |
| 02:52.34 | nsadmin | no, you! |
| 02:52.35 | abrotman | yay!!!!!! |
| 02:52.45 | enouf | i knew it was that one too :-) |
| 02:52.47 | nsadmin | he doed it! |
| 02:53.02 | enouf | nsadmin: no, he doned diddit! |
| 02:53.04 | squisher | abrotman, I did do that, and it is still looking for hda... |
| 02:53.23 | abrotman | i just found the factoid .. |
| 02:53.42 | stew | !sing abrotman |
| 02:53.42 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 02:54.05 | nsadmin | !sing spam |
| 02:54.05 | dpkg | spam, spam, spam, spam! spam, spam spam spam! spam, spam SPAM SPAM! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM! ... |
| 02:54.14 | abrotman | my fave is still for g4lt |
| 02:54.24 | enouf | squisher: just a FWIW, dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` will update the current running kernel's initrd, and man update-initramfs for more |
| 02:54.25 | abrotman | !sing g4lt |
| 02:54.25 | dpkg | sometimes he p4rks in h4ndic4pped sp4ces, while h4ndic4pped people m4ke h4ndic4pped f4ces, g4lt's 4n 4ssshoooole... |
| 02:54.48 | enouf | squisher: i don't think it's so though .. do you suspend/resume? |
| 02:54.59 | enouf | squisher: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 02:55.23 | squisher | no suspend/resume, I just switched the hdd to the newer computer |
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| 02:55.43 | dongs | hi how do i 'upgrade' only a specific package instead of apt-get upgrade doing it all. |
| 02:56.25 | ustunozgur_ | dongs, 'install' I guess |
| 02:56.33 | \amethyst | dongs: aptitude install program (or apt-get if you prefer) |
| 02:56.38 | enouf | squisher: oh crap ... wait, what .. i need to reread your initial post |
| 02:56.44 | abrotman | dongs: are you mixing versions of debian ? |
| 02:56.51 | enouf | 2 posts actually |
| 02:57.00 | dongs | im just asking. i guess install worked |
| 02:57.09 | squisher | enouf, :-) thanks |
| 02:57.13 | dongs | now i probably have 2 versions of it. |
| 02:57.25 | enouf | squisher: which release? which kernel? |
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| 02:57.38 | squisher | testing, kernel 2.6.26 I believe |
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| 02:57.43 | enouf | squisher: the hda / sda issue is almost libata related |
| 02:57.51 | enouf | +always |
| 02:58.06 | enouf | no,testing has .29, no? |
| 02:58.10 | dongs | oh christ. |
| 02:58.19 | squisher | sure, I understand that - but I need to figure out why it is still looking for hda when I changed it in grub already |
| 02:58.28 | squisher | hmm, lemme check what I have |
| 02:58.34 | enouf | squisher: "it" doesn't look for anything |
| 02:58.41 | dongs | okay install DIDNT work. |
| 02:58.41 | abrotman | enouf: not as of yesterday it didn't |
| 02:58.49 | dongs | so, how do i upgrade individual package. |
| 02:58.53 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.29-2-686 |
| 02:58.53 | judd | abrotman: linux-image-2.6.29-2-686 -- sid: 2.6.29-5 |
| 02:58.59 | enouf | abrotman: sorry? |
| 02:59.03 | enouf | ahh! |
| 02:59.08 | abrotman | enouf: testing doesnt' ahve .29 |
| 02:59.16 | nsadmin | squisher: how are you editing the menu.lst? |
| 02:59.22 | enouf | hrm .. interesting .. |
| 02:59.39 | enouf | squisher: and WHICH menu.lst are you editing ;-) |
| 02:59.46 | nsadmin | that too |
| 03:00.00 | enouf | that happens so often .... sigh |
| 03:00.13 | stuNNed | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.15 | squisher | ok, I thought I had updated recently, but I only have .25 on that machine. |
| 03:00.20 | stuNNed | ooops sry :D |
| 03:00.42 | squisher | I changed that menu.lst which makes the change show in the running grub instance when I boot ;-) |
| 03:00.49 | enouf | squisher: which controller and port is the drive connected to? Primary Master KIDE? |
| 03:00.53 | enouf | er IDE* |
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| 03:01.43 | enouf | squisher: hd0 is always drive 0x080 as far a grub is concerned |
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| 03:01.53 | enouf | er grub1 anyway |
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| 03:02.09 | dongs | so um anyone know??? how do i apt-get upgrade just the names of packages i want. |
| 03:02.22 | dongs | or wahtever, i dont know what command, just upgrading a package automatically by its name |
| 03:02.29 | squisher | enouf, yeah, primary master - and grub sees the kernel just fine |
| 03:02.33 | enouf | squisher: following drives are 0x081, 0x082 .... |
| 03:02.42 | nsadmin | squisher ok, but how are you getting to the point where you can edit it? |
| 03:03.09 | squisher | nsadmin, I can just do it in grub, but to edit fstab I used some xubuntu CD I had lying around |
| 03:03.12 | enouf | squisher: are you sure it's seeing the kernel on the drive you intend it to? you mentioned testing, and realized .25 |
| 03:03.19 | squisher | doesn't need to reinstall debian too often... |
| 03:03.44 | squisher | hmm, lemme check the other partitions |
| 03:03.47 | squisher | brb |
| 03:03.49 | enouf | squisher: find out _for sure_ which kernel is on your desired boot drive |
| 03:04.08 | dongs | hello _how do i upgrade a package by its name only_ |
| 03:04.33 | stew | dongs: aptitude install packagename |
| 03:04.39 | dongs | its already installed. |
| 03:04.47 | nsadmin | apt-get install itsnameonly |
| 03:05.07 | nsadmin | and when you do that it says? |
| 03:05.23 | nsadmin | use stew's btw |
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| 03:06.01 | dongs | hm it says already newest. i guess its fine then |
| 03:06.10 | nsadmin | use stew's btdubbleyewz |
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| 03:06.37 | stew | !sing java |
| 03:06.38 | dpkg | i guess sing java is Loading Song.... loading... loading... loading... This song contains information of a type (application/x-java-vm) that can only be heard with the appropriate Plug-in. |
| 03:06.41 | nsadmin | so it's the newest available for your dist |
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| 03:07.33 | nsadmin | that doesn't necessarily mean it's the latest period... maintainers have to spend time making later ones available |
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| 03:07.58 | eikenberry | enouf. In the sfdisk man page. I see where it talks about the +- rounding which seems related. I see where it talks about using -d to fix "bad last extended partitions that the OS/2 fdisk creates". That latter what you were referring to? |
| 03:08.21 | squisher | enouf, it is .25 |
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| 03:09.52 | squisher | I guess I'll chroot from the xubuntu disk |
| 03:09.59 | squisher | and try to redo the initrd |
| 03:09.59 | bmoll8 | does the debian installed support a network install via a wireless network? Specifically, I will need to enter in a password to access a wep network, before the installed can begin downloading files |
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| 03:10.50 | nsadmin | what you could do is pastebin the menu.lst (and I guess the fstab too) |
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| 03:11.46 | nsadmin | bmoll8: maybe... but can you temporarily slap a wired eth card in there? |
| 03:11.54 | lazarus477 | I am running k3b over ssh passing -Y as arg. App opens on my local terminal just fine but indicates it cannot locate the hosts disc burner. I have similar problems when running other X11 apps over ssh. Any tips? |
| 03:11.59 | bmoll8 | nsadmin: don't have ethernet in my house, that's the thing |
| 03:12.05 | bmoll8 | nsadmin: i am sharing wireless with someone |
| 03:12.34 | nsadmin | you could get the cd or dvd images I guess... |
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| 03:12.47 | bmoll8 | nsadmin: which dvd image do I need for a basic install |
| 03:12.51 | bmoll8 | with wpa_supplicant, etc |
| 03:13.02 | nsadmin | then install the base plus whatever to get you going |
| 03:13.07 | enouf | eikenberry: yes - use at your descretion though |
| 03:13.29 | nsadmin | see I've never dealt with wireless |
| 03:13.38 | eikenberry | You mentioned you 'liked parted' earlier. Were you thinking it might be useful here? |
| 03:13.53 | nsadmin | I parted liked! |
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| 03:14.31 | enouf | squisher: you don't need to chroot to edit the _proper_ fstab, nor menu.lst, but to reinstall grub or the play with non-relative PATHs, you might want to |
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| 03:16.37 | enouf | squisher: you just need to mount rw the correct 'partition |
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| 03:19.54 | squisher | enouf, I have to to regenerate the initrd |
| 03:19.57 | enouf | squisher: i always boot something like knoppix in text mode; 'su' (root) ; cd ; then i know where i am -- i check 'mount' (cat /proc/mounts even) output |
| 03:19.58 | squisher | which did the trick, btw |
| 03:20.11 | squisher | though it seems like the hdd is still hda |
| 03:20.12 | squisher | weird |
| 03:20.44 | enouf | squisher: well the initrd _is_ generated upon _installation_ of the linux-image-version.deb |
| 03:20.53 | squisher | this is the first time I had to regenerate an initrd to get an install working on a new system |
| 03:20.56 | squisher | oh well |
| 03:21.02 | squisher | thanks for the help enouf :) |
| 03:21.06 | dongs | why would anyone use initrd in 2009. |
| 03:21.09 | enouf | squisher: so it becomes hardware specific - i forgot to mention all that |
| 03:21.09 | dongs | serious question. |
| 03:21.10 | eikenberry | You can do dpkg-reconfigure linux-image... after the fact as well. |
| 03:21.24 | nsadmin | dongs: what else would you use? |
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| 03:21.28 | squisher | dongs, I just do make-kpkg :-) |
| 03:21.40 | dongs | nsadmin: how about NOT using it? is there any reason to? |
| 03:21.52 | enouf | squisher: my p2 system stil;l uses hdX with a .28 |
| 03:21.54 | squisher | actually, I mostly use the debian stock kernels, they have been working just fine |
| 03:21.57 | eikenberry | dongs. hardware support. |
| 03:21.59 | nsadmin | there sortof is |
| 03:22.00 | squisher | enouf, good to know |
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| 03:22.12 | dongs | you mean.. kernels and modules? |
| 03:22.17 | dongs | waht does that have to do with initrd?? |
| 03:22.37 | enouf | squisher: lookup /Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt and search the doc for libata ;-) |
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| 03:23.06 | nsadmin | the reason a debian-provided kernel generates an initrd is so that debian doesn't have to store and provide like 70 different kernel images |
| 03:23.09 | eikenberry | yes. to get to the modules you have to mount the harddrive/filesystem. Those are modules. See the problem. |
| 03:23.36 | dongs | i see a design problem |
| 03:23.43 | nsadmin | dongs: wait, you don't know what's stored in an initrd? |
| 03:24.30 | eikenberry | dongs. How would you bootstrap a system that used modules for most hardware/filesystem support? |
| 03:25.02 | nsadmin | then come up with a new design and propose it (but it won't be taken very seriously unless you would have it working then) |
| 03:25.04 | peterS | dongs: technically we don't use initrd anymore, we use initramfs, but from a layman's standpoint the difference is moot |
| 03:25.04 | enouf | dongs: in short, an initrd is a fake rootfs |
| 03:25.31 | dongs | eikenberry: why would anyone want to make filesystem support a module thats my question. |
| 03:25.37 | enouf | peterS: er .. it's still called an initrd, just not 'mkinitrd', IINM |
| 03:26.11 | nsadmin | dongs: then you can't possibly see a design problem since you don't seem to be familiar with the problem domain |
| 03:26.14 | enouf | and uses a specific ./init script not ./linuxrc, nor ./init<somtehitn> |
| 03:26.18 | peterS | enouf: no, initrd is a specific technology (a (compressed) block device image) which is no longer used, modern kernels use an initramfs (filesystem archive) |
| 03:26.55 | dongs | nsadmin: i see a design problem that theres like 30 modules loaded for shit i never use |
| 03:27.03 | dongs | and stuff like filesystem being modules, lol. |
| 03:27.04 | nsadmin | you should come to understand the present situation before complaining about its design :) |
| 03:27.08 | dongs | anyway shrug, im not gonna argue. |
| 03:27.15 | enouf | peterS: i want to disagree - and prove why - however, i'm not looking to argue, nor do i have the willingness to back up my assertion |
| 03:27.45 | eikenberry | enouf. You mentioned you 'liked parted' earlier. Were you thinking it might be useful here? |
| 03:27.54 | enouf | peterS: does /filesystems/root-ram-fs.txt explain/prove your point? |
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| 03:28.20 | peterS | enouf: the "rd" in "initrd" stands for "ramdisk" - a disk image stored in ram. we used to create a disk image, now we create an archive file that the kernel reads with its built-in cpio format reader, and no actual "block device" ever comes into it, RAM-based or otherwise |
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| 03:28.37 | enouf | eikenberry: yes, possibly, but i tweak partition sizes to Bytes, not cylinder boundaries ;-) |
| 03:28.53 | nsadmin | dongs, that's totally different from the problem of installing a kernel which is to be booted on hardware that's not necessarily known when the package is built |
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| 03:32.02 | peterS | enouf: ramfs, where you have a thin layer over the VFS and virtual memory systems, turned out to be a better idea to build into every kernel, than a ramdisk block device driver plus whatever filesystem you wanted to put on your initrd. ramdisks in general are out of fashion, since they take up a fixed amount of space (at definition time) and need to be mkfs'd with a filesystem. a ramfs is basically "formatless", it is just ... |
| 03:32.08 | peterS | ... the usual filesystem data structures that would already be in memory anyway |
| 03:32.17 | enouf | peterS: point - thanks -- i will follow up on that information ... to help my general understanding - i do understand your points |
| 03:32.24 | peterS | enouf: but as I said earlier, the distinction between the initrd architecture and the initramfs architecture is pretty technical and most people have no reason to care |
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| 03:33.40 | enouf | peterS: right - so "a fake rootfs" is sttill valid, however if the kernel contains the internal data structures (for initramfs) or not? |
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| 03:34.21 | enouf | peterS: and pivot_root is no longer used with initramfs, correct? |
| 03:34.59 | enouf | peterS: which kind of makes rdev obsolete too |
| 03:35.18 | peterS | enouf: hmmm, I think pivot_root is still used, I'm not sure |
| 03:35.43 | peterS | anyway I've got to get going, have to be somewhere in 25 minutes and it's about 25 minutes away (: |
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| 03:36.46 | enouf | peterS: np - see ya when you're around |
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| 03:38.08 | enouf | and s/however/whether or not/ |
| 03:38.14 | jaggz | I need an outside shell or a web utility which has nmap.. have to test my network security from a remote host |
| 03:38.33 | copper__ | if i want to change a user's loging could i use chfn for that or would i simply have to add a new user? |
| 03:38.40 | copper__ | login* |
| 03:38.48 | enouf | what? |
| 03:39.07 | enouf | chfn just alters their personal info (and shell) |
| 03:39.17 | nsadmin | copper__: look into usermod |
| 03:39.18 | copper__ | ok so id have to make a new user then |
| 03:39.20 | enouf | change WHAT about the login |
| 03:39.26 | copper__ | the username |
| 03:39.31 | nsadmin | usermod |
| 03:39.37 | enouf | same uid, gid ? |
| 03:39.52 | copper__ | uid can be the same |
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| 03:40.06 | \amethyst | there are other things to do besides usermod |
| 03:40.10 | copper__ | i just want a different login name |
| 03:40.51 | copper__ | chfn only changes info associated with a user right? |
| 03:40.54 | nsadmin | usermod will do that... but do you also want the dir to be called /home/newusername |
| 03:41.04 | jaggz | or if anyone is willing to test it.. drop me a msg? :) |
| 03:41.14 | \amethyst | crontabs have to be renamed, things in /var/spool/mail should be renamed, home directories don't have to be changed but it might be confusing if they aren't, etc |
| 03:41.46 | \amethyst | copper__: in particular chfn only changes the 5th column of /etc/passwd . |
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| 03:42.08 | enouf | copper__: you want to ghost a username? |
| 03:42.37 | nsadmin | ahh, good point... maybe he'd be better off just creating a new user |
| 03:42.40 | copper__ | im not sure what ghosting a username is. |
| 03:42.49 | copper__ | i think maybe a new user is what i want. |
| 03:43.55 | nsadmin | do you receive mail directly to the present user? does that user have crontabs? |
| 03:44.07 | copper__ | i do not |
| 03:44.39 | nsadmin | ok, either is probably fine |
| 03:44.44 | \amethyst | probably usermod -l will be fine then |
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| 03:48.13 | enouf | 23:34 < enouf> change WHAT about the login |
| 03:48.14 | enouf | 23:34 < copper__> the username |
| 03:48.29 | enouf | is what prompted my 'ghost' question |
| 03:48.54 | enouf | uid cannot be the same for a new user |
| 03:49.10 | enouf | AFAIK |
| 03:49.23 | dongs | technically it could be. |
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| 03:49.42 | dongs | probably reasons not to. |
| 03:49.42 | enouf | dongs: not really - depends pn context |
| 03:49.47 | enouf | on* |
| 03:51.01 | enouf | these real generalized questions are sometimes hard to answer -- there are so few "hard and fast rules" in the unix world |
| 03:52.03 | enouf | dongs: suppose they're using LDAP for auth, then what's different about the way the login occurs? |
| 03:52.09 | enouf | how about SELinux? |
| 03:53.03 | dongs | no idea, people actually use that shite? |
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| 03:53.23 | dongs | im talking about /etc/passwd and and UIDs. |
| 03:53.25 | enouf | people like me used to actually drop boas |
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| 03:54.46 | enouf | but i've since lost much weight (30 pds or so) - no more boas in the morning |
| 03:56.03 | cReAtivE | how to reconfigure xserver-xorg to use vesa ? |
| 03:56.06 | nsadmin | dongs: hmm. so this is the second time I've noticed you're arguing about stuff without backing it up... it would be really easy for me to claim you're trolling |
| 03:56.07 | enouf | er s/pds/lbs/ |
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| 03:56.25 | cReAtivE | there is no videocard-change option |
| 03:56.32 | dongs | nsadmin: what? i have a couple users in /etc/passwd that resolve to same UID. |
| 03:56.37 | cReAtivE | it has disappeared |
| 03:56.40 | enouf | cReAtivE: make a xorg.conf |
| 03:56.50 | nsadmin | oh, do they both work? |
| 03:56.50 | cReAtivE | i cant make |
| 03:56.53 | cReAtivE | im a noob |
| 03:56.57 | dongs | since nobody actually cares/uses about selunix/ldap(LOL???) etc and I've specifically said I'm only talking about /etc/passwd. |
| 03:57.00 | dongs | nsadmin: yes |
| 03:57.06 | enouf | and tell it Driver "Vesafb" or whatever |
| 03:57.14 | cReAtivE | i would like to generate one somehow |
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| 03:57.27 | enouf | cReAtivE: X -configure provides askkeleton |
| 03:58.01 | nsadmin | anyway, whatever... doesn't seem like the second one was trolling... time to go play! |
| 03:58.08 | enouf | dongs: who care what _you're_ talking about ; copper__ asked the initial question |
| 03:58.13 | dongs | k |
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| 03:59.04 | maximi89 | guys, i'm browsing the site www.kernel.org but i can't find the exactly package 2.6.29... who can help me... |
| 03:59.26 | enouf | cReAtivE: the kernel line option vga= will autoload vesafb, but that |
| 03:59.34 | enouf | 's for console and not X |
| 03:59.56 | cReAtivE | okay but |
| 03:59.56 | enouf | maximi89: click |
| 04:00.00 | maximi89 | click? |
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| 04:02.24 | cReAtivE | enouf, |
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| 04:02.34 | cReAtivE | i have only a console |
| 04:02.40 | cReAtivE | can you tell me a code |
| 04:02.44 | cReAtivE | to write in |
| 04:02.48 | cReAtivE | to make vesa |
| 04:03.27 | enouf | !drxx |
| 04:03.28 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
| 04:03.50 | enouf | see wiki.x.org and google for examples |
| 04:03.59 | cReAtivE | okay but that doesnt work |
| 04:04.05 | flaccid | cReAtivE Driver "vesa" |
| 04:04.15 | flaccid | google and xorg doco shows you that pretty quick |
| 04:04.20 | cReAtivE | reconfigure does not affect the vidicard driver |
| 04:04.36 | enouf | rolls eyes at the permasunday |
| 04:04.42 | flaccid | if you use certain params they do |
| 04:04.53 | flaccid | you can also edit xorg.conf manaually. |
| 04:04.57 | cReAtivE | okay and what are those params ? |
| 04:04.57 | flaccid | rtfm |
| 04:05.01 | maximi89 | enouf: i found it :P |
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| 04:05.09 | cReAtivE | i tried -phigh |
| 04:05.13 | maximi89 | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ |
| 04:05.15 | cReAtivE | nothing happened |
| 04:05.25 | cReAtivE | just generated a new one |
| 04:05.29 | cReAtivE | a bad one |
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| 04:05.37 | flaccid | cReAtivE can't remember as debian changed the script to not update the card driver. thats why i edit it manually. |
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| 04:10.04 | cReAtivE | flaccid and is there a vesa xorg.conf somewhere ? |
| 04:10.21 | cReAtivE | a default vesa xorg.conf |
| 04:10.45 | cReAtivE | because my monitor is loose signal at boot |
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| 04:10.54 | cReAtivE | and i cant see anything |
| 04:11.06 | cReAtivE | at startx |
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| 04:11.57 | flaccid | no. |
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| 04:12.15 | flaccid | like i said, edit it manually |
| 04:12.24 | flaccid | been repeating myself all day today |
| 04:12.53 | cReAtivE | i cant edit !:( |
| 04:12.54 | Jester45 | cReAtivE, all you have to do is change driver to vesa... its one line change |
| 04:13.00 | Jester45 | why not ? |
| 04:13.03 | cReAtivE | but there is no section |
| 04:13.07 | cReAtivE | like driver |
| 04:13.22 | cReAtivE | in the xorg.conf |
| 04:13.59 | Jester45 | should be under the device section if i remember right |
| 04:14.05 | cReAtivE | just a screen section and thats all |
| 04:14.11 | flaccid | cReAtivE you add it der |
| 04:14.15 | cReAtivE | the default xorg.conf |
| 04:14.33 | flaccid | by default xorg detects automatically the correct driver if not explicitly defined. this is all covered in the docs. |
| 04:14.34 | Jester45 | let me boot up my machine cReAtivE and ill paste the section |
| 04:14.43 | flaccid | <flaccid> cReAtivE Driver "vesa" |
| 04:14.46 | flaccid | repeats again. |
| 04:15.24 | Jester45 | wouldnt dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg create one? |
| 04:15.44 | cReAtivE | doesnt help |
| 04:16.00 | cReAtivE | it doesnt create vidicard section |
| 04:16.04 | cReAtivE | in xorg.conf |
| 04:16.15 | cReAtivE | so i cant change it to vesa |
| 04:16.20 | flaccid | no the debian configure script no longer does the video card driver. |
| 04:16.32 | flaccid | <flaccid> cReAtivE can't remember as debian changed the script to not update the card driver. thats why i edit it manually. |
| 04:16.39 | flaccid | am i on ignore or something because i keep repeating |
| 04:16.46 | Jester45 | because xorg should auto configure |
| 04:16.54 | Jester45 | guess you are flaccid |
| 04:17.16 | Jester45 | what about Xorg -configure |
| 04:17.22 | cReAtivE | i dont know |
| 04:17.27 | flaccid | no. |
| 04:17.30 | cReAtivE | didnt try that command yet |
| 04:17.38 | cReAtivE | thats all ? |
| 04:17.38 | flaccid | ffs just edit the file. if you can't do that, use windows. |
| 04:17.42 | cReAtivE | xorg -configure ? |
| 04:17.46 | flaccid | pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 04:17.52 | flaccid | put it in then done |
| 04:18.02 | flaccid | restart gdm or kdm or X. done. |
| 04:18.05 | flaccid | now do it. |
| 04:18.09 | cReAtivE | pico ? |
| 04:18.17 | Jester45 | flaccid, thats not very helpfull, not all users can memorized the xorg conf |
| 04:18.36 | Jester45 | cReAtivE, its a cli text editor |
| 04:19.00 | flaccid | then those users will have to settle for windows |
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| 04:19.21 | cReAtivE | http://pastebin.ca/1430600 |
| 04:19.28 | cReAtivE | this is my xorg.conf now |
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| 04:19.37 | cReAtivE | found on the net |
| 04:19.50 | cReAtivE | but it crashes with "No screen found" |
| 04:20.21 | cReAtivE | but this xorg.conf would be great |
| 04:20.28 | flaccid | cReAtivE thats just the result. the problem is above that in the log. |
| 04:20.50 | flaccid | also looks like you attempted multiple displays |
| 04:21.03 | cReAtivE | i have a radeon x1600 with tv-out |
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| 04:21.34 | Jester45 | and why cant you change the driver to vesa ? |
| 04:21.36 | flaccid | cReAtivE i changed the driver so you can see http://pastebin.ca/1430602 |
| 04:21.48 | flaccid | but you have a dual display config used for ati so i don't expect it to work |
| 04:21.51 | flaccid | oops |
| 04:22.07 | Jester45 | line 103 |
| 04:22.09 | flaccid | still like i said the error is above No screens found in the log. until you read that and address it... |
| 04:22.23 | cReAtivE | here it is |
| 04:22.24 | cReAtivE | http://pastebin.ca/1430604 |
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| 04:23.10 | flaccid | cReAtivE can you read? line 16-19 |
| 04:23.15 | flaccid | please read before pasting |
| 04:23.33 | cReAtivE | sry didnt read |
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| 04:23.59 | cReAtivE | im using windows now which is 16-19 ? |
| 04:24.56 | Jester45 | Parse error on line 20 of section ServerLayout in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 04:25.04 | Jester45 | "Uncomment" is not a valid keyword in this section. |
| 04:25.47 | Jester45 | i suggest looking at where your # marks are placed in the config |
| 04:25.49 | cReAtivE | okay but that is not fatal |
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| 04:27.09 | \amethyst | cReAtivE: err, (EE) means it is fatal |
| 04:27.10 | Jester45 | umm not being able to parse the conf is fatal to me. i guess xorg will try to autocoonfig since it cant find a valid xorg.conf |
| 04:27.36 | Jester45 | that or xorg just give up |
| 04:27.55 | cReAtivE | okay i commented |
| 04:28.01 | flaccid | if you run dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server it will give you a working xorg.conf with no syntax problems and likely no dual head crap. |
| 04:28.19 | martian67 | you dont really need an xorg.conf |
| 04:28.24 | martian67 | unless you have specific needs |
| 04:28.30 | martian67 | just try without one |
| 04:28.37 | cReAtivE | xorg-server ? |
| 04:28.42 | cReAtivE | thanks |
| 04:28.49 | cReAtivE | i try it |
| 04:28.52 | Jester45 | also cReAtivE once you get a working conf dont over right it ... make a backup |
| 04:29.14 | Jester45 | cReative mv the old config to a diffrent file name so xorg cant find it |
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| 04:29.26 | flaccid | sorry its just dpkg-reconfigure xorg on debian |
| 04:29.30 | Jester45 | like mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup |
| 04:29.54 | flaccid | and yes if you are using xorg 7.x you don't need an xorg.conf as per martian67 |
| 04:30.33 | Jester45 | yea to get get a working X you dont but i need to tell it my monitors max resoultion |
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| 04:31.09 | Jester45 | allways wants to stay at 1480xsomething |
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| 04:32.57 | martian67 | Jester45, |
| 04:33.05 | martian67 | it can figure that out from DDE |
| 04:33.06 | Jester45 | ya? |
| 04:33.16 | enouf | omg |
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| 04:33.33 | Jester45 | it doesnt go to 1600x1200 i have to manually add it into the config |
| 04:33.35 | enouf | g == goodness |
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| 04:34.17 | flaccid | a bit of troubleshooting you might be able to find the problem |
| 04:34.50 | enouf | here; ffs |
| 04:34.51 | enouf | cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 04:34.51 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1430613 |
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| 04:35.36 | CrEaTivE | re |
| 04:35.39 | enouf | the other troll should be using radeon' |
| 04:35.49 | CrEaTivE | im tried but same problem :( |
| 04:35.58 | enouf | the other troll should be using 'radeon' anyway |
| 04:36.02 | Jester45 | did you move the config file? |
| 04:36.06 | CrEaTivE | yes |
| 04:36.08 | CrEaTivE | i deleted |
| 04:36.13 | Jester45 | ... |
| 04:36.18 | CrEaTivE | but monitor lost signal |
| 04:37.04 | enouf | ever hear of bad timing? |
| 04:37.24 | flaccid | replace user and press any key |
| 04:37.34 | CrEaTivE | http://pastebin.ca/1430618 |
| 04:37.38 | enouf | set your Hor / Vert refresh rates |
| 04:38.52 | CrEaTivE | thats the new xorg.log |
| 04:39.11 | CrEaTivE | (WW) RADEONHD: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found |
| 04:39.14 | CrEaTivE | ??? |
| 04:39.56 | enouf | your attempt at fglrx screwed you royally |
| 04:40.06 | enouf | +pathetic |
| 04:40.10 | Jester45 | WW is just a warning |
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| 04:41.11 | CrEaTivE | sorry for asking help in the help room enouf |
| 04:41.21 | \amethyst | RADEONHD(0): Setting screen physical size to 693 x 234 |
| 04:41.22 | \amethyst | weird |
| 04:41.31 | enouf | CrEaTivE: no, my apologies |
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| 04:42.14 | enouf | i just find some issues quite trivial - sorry |
| 04:42.36 | enouf | and easily fixed |
| 04:43.01 | enouf | but ... understanding is a prerequisite |
| 04:43.07 | \amethyst | CrEaTivE: wait, is the output supposed to be going to VGA or SVIDEO? |
| 04:43.16 | enouf | which means at the least _reading_ |
| 04:43.19 | CrEaTivE | both |
| 04:43.30 | CrEaTivE | but rather vga |
| 04:43.44 | Jester45 | suggest a xorg.conf with vesa driver 800x600@60hz over vga only |
| 04:43.48 | \amethyst | CrEaTivE: does it work if you have Svideo unplugged when you start X? |
| 04:43.55 | CrEaTivE | no :( |
| 04:44.13 | CrEaTivE | or i dont know |
| 04:44.21 | CrEaTivE | i tried that with old xorg.conf |
| 04:44.24 | CrEaTivE | try it now |
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| 04:44.39 | enouf | cvt will generate a nive modeline, however; man cvt :-P |
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| 04:45.07 | Jester45 | who would want a nice one? |
| 04:45.15 | \amethyst | why would one need to quit one's IRC client to restart X? |
| 04:45.18 | enouf | you likely want to purge any ati/fglrx crap first |
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| 04:46.15 | enouf | \amethyst: X dependent irc client ;-) |
| 04:46.17 | Jester45 | hes booting into windows to talk to us i think |
| 04:46.25 | \amethyst | oh |
| 04:46.31 | \amethyst | ouch |
| 04:46.38 | eikenberry | not everyone uses a terminal irc client in a screen session |
| 04:46.40 | enouf | ewww |
| 04:46.41 | Jester45 | <cReAtivE> im using windows now which is 16-19 ? |
| 04:47.29 | Jester45 | i know how much it sucks to have to reboot to get infomation :( takes forever |
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| 04:53.12 | CrEaTivE | \amethyst thank you its working ! |
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| 04:53.28 | denysonique | Hi |
| 04:53.52 | denysonique | adobe flash player is slow when in full screen mode |
| 04:53.55 | denysonique | I am using sid |
| 04:53.59 | DONDON | i have really terrible tearing in X when i move a window around |
| 04:54.05 | denysonique | in lenny it was ok |
| 04:54.11 | denysonique | i think it was ok in lenny |
| 04:54.35 | eikenberry | enouf. FYI. That sfdisk command didn't help. Looks like it's going to take a repartitioning to eliminate those warnings. |
| 04:54.35 | denysonique | anyone had such experience? |
| 04:57.54 | Jester45 | denysonique, do you still have direct rendering on yout video card? |
| 04:58.01 | Jester45 | your* |
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| 05:01.18 | denysonique | Jester45: yes I think I do for compiz |
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| 05:01.46 | flaccid | denysonique don't expect flash to work any good on nix |
| 05:02.00 | denysonique | flaccid: it used work smoothly |
| 05:02.13 | denysonique | used to |
| 05:02.16 | flaccid | yeah |
| 05:02.25 | flaccid | it changes a lot and depends on what flash object you are playing |
| 05:02.26 | denysonique | but after upgrading to sid |
| 05:02.29 | denysonique | it does ot |
| 05:02.35 | denysonique | flaccid: youtube |
| 05:02.37 | flaccid | you could downgrade it |
| 05:02.38 | denysonique | fullscreen |
| 05:02.46 | flaccid | yeah i wouldn't expect that to go any good |
| 05:03.02 | denysonique | flaccid: is there anyworkaround? |
| 05:03.08 | denysonique | any work around? |
| 05:03.12 | denysonique | :/ |
| 05:03.16 | denysonique | any workaround |
| 05:03.18 | flaccid | like i said you could downgrade |
| 05:03.22 | flaccid | flash is 1 file |
| 05:03.38 | eikenberry | I'm on testing and it works fine here. |
| 05:03.41 | denysonique | flaccid: I don't remember which version I had before |
| 05:03.45 | denysonique | eikenberry: what version? |
| 05:03.52 | denysonique | of flash |
| 05:03.53 | eikenberry | 1:2.6 |
| 05:04.01 | eikenberry | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 05:04.27 | flaccid | it also depends what browser you are using the plugin in |
| 05:04.36 | flaccid | anyway its closed software, nothing you can do |
| 05:04.52 | denysonique | flaccid: iceweasel |
| 05:04.59 | denysonique | eikenberry: what about you? |
| 05:05.14 | eikenberry | iceweasel |
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| 05:05.20 | flaccid | i only use debian for server |
| 05:05.36 | eikenberry | It was really bad until flash 10. Couldn't do fullscreen until then. |
| 05:05.56 | denysonique | flaccid: what do you use on your desktop? |
| 05:06.14 | flaccid | freebsd/kde by preference |
| 05:06.49 | flaccid | os x if i had the hardware and kubuntu for linux if used coz im lazy to use a decent desktop distro |
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| 05:08.48 | twinkie_addict | there are lots of good distros that are great for older hatdware and low specs kbuntu uses alot of sys far more than it shoud to do it veryious jobs |
| 05:09.10 | flaccid | sure |
| 05:09.19 | flaccid | but you are mainly referring to the linux kernel, not userland |
| 05:09.40 | flaccid | and freebsd kde kicks any linux distro |
| 05:10.31 | flaccid | if i was using low spec hardware, of course i'd use freebsd minimal :) |
| 05:11.34 | twinkie_addict | freebsd is no doubt good :) id be running it now were it not for it hateing my microsft optical mouse :( niether my keyboard or mouse works in x |
| 05:11.50 | flaccid | weird |
| 05:11.55 | twinkie_addict | even after reconfiging x |
| 05:11.58 | twinkie_addict | i know |
| 05:12.08 | flaccid | i'd troubleshoot that myself. technically that would be be an xorg problem not freebsd kernel/userland |
| 05:12.40 | twinkie_addict | never had trouble in 7.1 but 7.2 is a pain with my mouse and key bourd in x |
| 05:12.49 | flaccid | right |
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| 05:13.07 | twinkie_addict | in know it an xorg isse not blamming freebsd all :) |
| 05:13.09 | flaccid | did you trie pc-bsd or desktopbsd, they might have a version that works |
| 05:13.25 | denysonique | swfdec is choppy as well |
| 05:14.03 | flaccid | denysonique you have different video settings to what you had before |
| 05:14.24 | flaccid | different driver/version etc. |
| 05:14.28 | twinkie_addict | if im going to frun freebsd i can easily run 7.1 |
| 05:14.46 | denysonique | flaccid: this is what I suspect too |
| 05:14.49 | denysonique | and maybe xorg |
| 05:15.03 | denysonique | the settings are the same |
| 05:15.15 | flaccid | check the log and also make sure its doing direct rendering etc. |
| 05:15.52 | twinkie_addict | that and im very happy with debian :) |
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| 05:16.50 | denysonique | flaccid: you should use freebsd as a server as well |
| 05:16.51 | flaccid | i respect debian. some stuff i don't like but it works |
| 05:16.59 | flaccid | denysonique that is what i use for a server |
| 05:17.12 | flaccid | using debian for a server atm because amazon ec2 doesn'ts support freebsd :( |
| 05:17.50 | twinkie_addict | befor debian slackware was the only linux i ran constantly |
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| 05:17.59 | denysonique | flaccid: go for Gentoo then |
| 05:18.09 | denysonique | flaccid: there is portage! |
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| 05:18.57 | flaccid | yeah but gentoo is a bit more work although its better |
| 05:19.10 | flaccid | im just used to debian systems i guess |
| 05:19.15 | flaccid | too lazy to do any other work |
| 05:19.23 | twinkie_addict | lol |
| 05:20.24 | flaccid | i think in IT a lot of it is working out what is decent and what is not |
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| 05:22.12 | twinkie_addict | i useualy do a debian install from a 80 meg iso and build up frome there that way i get the system i want with apt and not have to mess with source |
| 05:22.46 | flaccid | yeah i do the netinst |
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| 05:23.35 | twinkie_addict | best way realy :) i do like debians flexabily |
| 05:24.14 | denysonique | How can I downgrade debian? |
| 05:24.24 | denysonique | twinkie_addict: flexibilty? |
| 05:24.31 | denysonique | is this a joke? |
| 05:24.36 | twinkie_addict | lol that too lol |
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| 05:25.37 | flaccid | denysonique same way you upgrade.. changing sources.list |
| 05:25.47 | denysonique | flaccid: then what next |
| 05:26.12 | flaccid | apt-get update or apt-get dist-upgrade depending on what you want |
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| 05:26.31 | denysonique | flaccid: so dist-upgrade will downgrade? |
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| 05:27.07 | Pulpie | how can i get xfce 4.6 on debian lenny? |
| 05:27.39 | adb | judd: versions xfce4 |
| 05:27.39 | judd | adb: xfce4 -- etch: 4.3.99.2 etch-backports: 4.4.2~bpo40+2 lenny: 4.4.2.1 sid: 4.4.2.1 sid: 4.6.1 squeeze: 4.6.1 |
| 05:27.49 | flaccid | denysonique sure |
| 05:28.02 | adb | !downgrade |
| 05:28.03 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
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| 05:28.49 | flaccid | well fair enough |
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| 05:28.56 | flaccid | maybe aptitude can handle it |
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| 05:29.16 | adb | No |
| 05:29.27 | Pulpie | adb: so I have to upgrade all the way to sid to get xfce 4.6? |
| 05:29.33 | oneforall | hi is there a page that tells whats not included like lame ,libdvddss etc wihtt he default packages ? |
| 05:29.37 | denysonique | Pulpie: no |
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| 05:29.53 | denysonique | Pulpie: apt-get -t unstable xfce4 |
| 05:29.56 | oneforall | libdvddss/libdvdcss |
| 05:30.00 | denysonique | Pulpie: apt-get install -t unstable xfce4 |
| 05:30.06 | adb | Pulpie: try backports |
| 05:30.18 | adb | !backport |
| 05:30.18 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 05:30.22 | flaccid | adb i've done both before but ah well |
| 05:30.32 | Pulpie | denysonique: thanks |
| 05:30.48 | denysonique | flaccid: what about reverse backports? |
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| 05:30.58 | flaccid | dunno |
| 05:31.35 | Pulpie | denysonique: that says xfce4 is up to date |
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| 05:41.19 | denysonique | is ubuntu a more stable unstable debian? |
| 05:41.46 | flaccid | no |
| 05:41.48 | flaccid | its crap. |
| 05:42.14 | \amethyst | no more than debian stable is a more stable unstable debian |
| 05:42.14 | denysonique | flaccid: what is the difference between debian and ubuntu? |
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| 05:42.36 | flaccid | i really don't have the time or care to explain that sorry |
| 05:43.10 | denysonique | flaccid: this should explain everything |
| 05:43.14 | denysonique | :) |
| 05:43.15 | flaccid | the only thing i'll say is they take debian pkgs upstream and do their own devel which is frequently buggy by trying to be cutting edge and not fixing issues in the release cycles |
| 05:43.52 | denysonique | flaccid: gentoo can be cutting edge and stable |
| 05:44.00 | flaccid | sure |
| 05:44.05 | flaccid | but we are talking about ubuntu? |
| 05:44.17 | denysonique | flaccid: no we are talking about gnu/linux |
| 05:44.41 | flaccid | linux is a kernel not a distro; you never mentioned the gnu linux. |
| 05:45.09 | twinkie_addict | dear god dont get me started on ubuntu it truly is the only disrto i dont have any like or respect for |
| 05:45.31 | flaccid | hehe |
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| 05:45.45 | flaccid | they are good at crap politices thats about it |
| 05:46.01 | amphi | poultices? |
| 05:46.40 | twinkie_addict | what totaly eludes me is why its so damn popular , its not like it works or anything |
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| 05:48.17 | twinkie_addict | ill stop now lol i get alittle carried away with ubuntu bashing and thats not a nice thing to do so ill bite my toung |
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| 05:50.01 | flaccid | politics |
| 05:50.12 | flaccid | twinkie_addict right place right time |
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| 05:51.07 | flaccid | anyway not to worry. thousands of people leave it or give up because it certainly aint Linux for human beings. |
| 05:51.24 | twinkie_addict | true :) its just ubuntu acualy kept me from trying depian proper couse i figured the apple cant fall to far from the tree |
| 05:51.24 | flaccid | PCLinuxOS is closer for that or OpenSUSE |
| 05:51.30 | twinkie_addict | god was i wrong |
| 05:51.57 | twinkie_addict | true |
| 05:52.29 | flaccid | yeah ubuntu is just a fork of something stable |
| 05:53.03 | twinkie_addict | and yet look howmany ubuntu forks there are its scary |
| 05:53.13 | flaccid | totally |
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| 05:53.32 | flaccid | i used to be an op and helper. then i woke up. |
| 05:53.40 | mosno | it's technically a fork of something unstable... but yea :) |
| 05:53.42 | twinkie_addict | maby ubuntu is ploy my MS to make linux look bad :) |
| 05:53.54 | twinkie_addict | by not my lol |
| 05:54.17 | mosno | twinkie_addict: yes, well, Mark Shuttleworth's initials *are* "MS" ;) |
| 05:54.41 | twinkie_addict | LOL |
| 05:54.52 | denysonique | lol |
| 05:54.59 | mosno | zomg ubuntu is run by ms! |
| 05:55.01 | mosno | proof! |
| 05:55.15 | mosno | quick, someone digg this! |
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| 05:56.46 | DONDON | whenever i drag a window around in X there is tearing and a light green ghosting trail (esp in list views of pcmanfm). i'm using non-free nvidia drivers and i've set VBlank XVideo and OpenGL. glxgears looks flawless |
| 05:56.52 | flaccid | just because so many factors linux or a free nix won't be suitable for the average person; it may never be because computing in the masses is commercially driven. |
| 05:57.03 | DONDON | is that normal for X? |
| 05:57.23 | denysonique | flaccid: ofcourse that it will be |
| 05:57.38 | denysonique | flaccid: free software will win one day |
| 05:57.42 | flaccid | i don't see major vendors supporting nix properly. |
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| 05:57.56 | flaccid | thats an optimistic view. i don't see the world going communist |
| 05:58.20 | denysonique | flaccid: this will not be communism |
| 05:58.42 | twinkie_addict | oh trust if ms screws up windows 7 alot of peple are going to say screw this they did it with vista if i remeber right |
| 05:58.45 | DONDON | winners don't argue online =/ |
| 05:58.51 | flaccid | well capitalism certainly is not the environment for free software. |
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| 05:59.09 | flaccid | microsoft still has majority share market |
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| 05:59.14 | adb | please stay on topic |
| 05:59.22 | flaccid | sure i'll shut up now. |
| 05:59.22 | denysonique | flaccid: communism sucks |
| 05:59.33 | flaccid | denysonique never said it didn't |
| 05:59.36 | twinkie_addict | ah but with obama as pres we may as well be a sosialinst contry now lol |
| 05:59.48 | flaccid | is a socialist |
| 05:59.52 | flaccid | anyway lets shutup. |
| 06:00.08 | twinkie_addict | never mind the fact i voted for him lol , your right |
| 06:00.48 | denysonique | flaccid: in communistic countries they still use proprietary software |
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| 06:00.59 | dondelelcaro | folks, take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 06:01.19 | denysonique | flaccid: they should develop communistic software :) |
| 06:01.20 | denysonique | :D |
| 06:02.32 | flaccid | you totally miss my points but ah well convo is over. |
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| 06:07.08 | stuNNed | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.11 | stuNNed | sry |
| 06:07.22 | stuNNed | dell keyboard is tiny |
| 06:08.10 | denysonique | stuNNed: what channel do you have in win 4? |
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| 06:08.45 | stuNNed | #ati |
| 06:08.50 | flaccid | any postfix-logwatch users? my postfix-logwatch returns absolutely nothing with no error :* |
| 06:09.06 | stuNNed | need to get a ibm model m REAL keyboard :) |
| 06:10.05 | flaccid | logitech or alright |
| 06:10.05 | flaccid | or=alright |
| 06:10.05 | flaccid | i mean are |
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| 06:10.15 | stuNNed | flaccid: ok thanks i'll check em out, this logitech mouse ain't bad |
| 06:10.31 | stuNNed | besided the extra button on the left hand side i don't use |
| 06:10.33 | stuNNed | -d+s |
| 06:10.41 | flaccid | the best keyboards are specialist brands that i always forget and are not popular but yeah |
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| 06:13.10 | stuNNed | flaccid: any logitech model you recommend? |
| 06:13.18 | OpenTokix | Logitech Ultra-X flat keyboard =) |
| 06:13.21 | OpenTokix | cheap and good |
| 06:13.29 | stuNNed | flaccid: ibm model m is a an old klunker and very loud snap keys |
| 06:13.39 | OpenTokix | also very expensive |
| 06:13.39 | stuNNed | thanks OpenTokix |
| 06:13.53 | stuNNed | 35 on ebay... |
| 06:14.00 | stuNNed | they don't even make them anymore |
| 06:14.04 | flaccid | stuNNed one you like best is the best. i do like the low profile more square models personally |
| 06:14.09 | OpenTokix | I use that ultra-x flat exclusivly, getting a new one about every six to eight months |
| 06:14.21 | dondelelcaro | I'm a fan of kinesis advantage pro keyboards, but a keyboard is kind of a matter of taste |
| 06:15.12 | OpenTokix | stuNNed: I think there was some maker that was going to make a replica, with the same spring loaded keys as the model m |
| 06:16.44 | stuNNed | OpenTokix: might try out that logitech ultra-x flat |
| 06:17.03 | OpenTokix | stuNNed: do it, much like a laptop keyboard - very short traveltime for the keys, I love em |
| 06:17.38 | stuNNed | is it bigger then your average dell keyboard as far as width? |
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| 06:19.03 | stuNNed | only 18.99 on newegg, not bad |
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| 06:20.47 | OpenTokix | stuNNed: About the same |
| 06:22.08 | stuNNed | OpenTokix: what i like about the model m is the keys are pretty well spread out |
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| 06:33.59 | dmoerner | i need some help recovering a failed ext4 conversion |
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| 06:34.24 | dmoerner | when i boot into debian the initramfs says that it cannot mount my encrypted lvm on /root |
| 06:34.28 | dmoerner | because there is no such device |
| 06:34.38 | dmoerner | nothing in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/klibc/+bug/309762 at least worked |
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| 06:56.52 | dacs | howdy folks |
| 06:57.08 | dacs | is there is an itune pkg for lenny? |
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| 06:59.17 | warthog | dacs: you can try banshee |
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| 07:01.28 | flaccid | dacs there is no itunes on linux. |
| 07:01.48 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:02.06 | dacs | dimir: good night :) |
| 07:02.19 | dacs | flaccid: oh, ok |
| 07:02.21 | dimir | *giggle* |
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| 07:04.33 | melisssa | maca ce |
| 07:06.34 | melisssa | pda kga tau nich w......... |
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| 07:07.18 | qiyong | what key servers we should use? |
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| 07:09.58 | flokuehn | dacs: but afaik you can use amarok to managed data on your ipod |
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| 07:10.10 | flokuehn | dacs: but i havent tried it until now |
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| 07:25.47 | Supaplex | judd: versions innotop |
| 07:25.48 | judd | Supaplex: innotop -- |
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| 07:26.15 | Supaplex | judd: versions mysql-client-5.0 |
| 07:26.15 | judd | Supaplex: mysql-client-5.0 -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch10 lenny: 5.0.51a-24 squeeze: 5.0.51a-24 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny1 sid: 5.0.81-1 |
| 07:26.31 | flokuehn | dacs: there either is an package for gnome, called gtkpod |
| 07:26.37 | Pendrag0n | I am having trouble writing an sftp script, and I AM using the man pages, and google. |
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| 07:27.20 | Pendrag0n | It will be for a cronjob, I just want to copy over all tar files from a directory |
| 07:27.21 | flaccid | gives Pendrag0n a good luck charm |
| 07:27.25 | Pendrag0n | lol |
| 07:27.42 | dacs | flokuehn: i am going to try banshee |
| 07:28.07 | Supaplex | larts innotop via dpkg --purge --force-depends innotop |
| 07:28.25 | Pendrag0n | I've succesfully connected to the ftp server through a gui, however when I attempt to connect through a command line, well, it just stares at me all blank screen. I've never used ftp from the shell before, so I don't know if this is what I should expect |
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| 07:28.52 | simonrvn | sftp != ftps |
| 07:29.08 | Pendrag0n | I type 'sftp -oPort=2121 -oUser=ut3hax "72.86.123.140"' |
| 07:29.34 | Supaplex | do upgrades install updated symlinks for initscripts? |
| 07:29.36 | Pendrag0n | then it says 'Connecting to 72.86.123.140...' and then it is responsive, I can type new lines, and hit crtl+c to exit, but nothing ever happens |
| 07:29.42 | flaccid | Pendrag0n an ssh server is on that host on 2121 ? |
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| 07:29.56 | Supaplex | Pendrag0n: -vv is more verbose. |
| 07:29.58 | Pendrag0n | no, that is ftp running on an off port |
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| 07:30.09 | flaccid | Pendrag0n: <simonrvn> sftp != ftps |
| 07:30.24 | flaccid | thats why |
| 07:30.42 | Pendrag0n | what the heck is ftps? |
| 07:30.48 | Pendrag0n | it that what I should be using? |
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| 07:31.26 | simonrvn | ftp + TLS/SSL; sftp is ssh a la ftp "mode" |
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| 07:32.08 | beware | "links" does not support ipv6 for me |
| 07:32.09 | Pendrag0n | ah ok |
| 07:32.36 | hifi | scp /path/to/data/* remote-server:/path/to/backups/ |
| 07:32.38 | hifi | done! |
| 07:32.54 | hifi | setup key based authentication and it will be automagic |
| 07:33.23 | Pendrag0n | hifi: it is an ftp account on a friends windows box, I am just sending over backups of a database |
| 07:33.31 | simonrvn | easy as eating pie |
| 07:33.37 | Pendrag0n | but being as that box is windows, I doubt I can "scp" to it |
| 07:33.41 | hifi | then use ftp |
| 07:33.44 | Pendrag0n | otherwise i would have just done that |
| 07:33.52 | hifi | though it's not secure so I wouldn't use it |
| 07:33.56 | Pendrag0n | well yeah, except I've never done ftp through the command line |
| 07:33.57 | denysonique | rsync is more suitable for backups |
| 07:34.04 | beware | you can use pscp (putty) as an scp client on windows |
| 07:34.11 | Pendrag0n | I typed aptitude, and searched for ftp, and the closed thing I found was sftp |
| 07:34.13 | hifi | he needs a server |
| 07:34.19 | simonrvn | has also done so |
| 07:34.21 | denysonique | Pendrag0n: apt-get mc |
| 07:34.25 | Pendrag0n | I am trying to send from a server |
| 07:34.30 | Pendrag0n | what is mc? |
| 07:34.38 | denysonique | midnight commander |
| 07:35.03 | denysonique | Pendrag0n: don't use cli ftp |
| 07:35.11 | simonrvn | {aptitude,apt-get} install *cough* |
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| 07:35.21 | Pendrag0n | ok, so I'll type apt-get mc |
| 07:35.28 | beware | -_-;; |
| 07:35.42 | Pendrag0n | yeah, but when I look for mc in aptitude, which I just did, it goes from mboxgrep to metamail in alphabetical order |
| 07:35.42 | OpenTokix | stuNNed: you have fat fingers? =) |
| 07:35.43 | Supaplex | my fscking heck. why are my rc2.d symlinks back when I removed them before? this run level doesn't USE THIS. grrrrrrrrrr |
| 07:35.52 | Supaplex | larts the lenny upgrade |
| 07:35.58 | Pendrag0n | so I'll use apt-get |
| 07:36.01 | Pendrag0n | brb |
| 07:36.19 | simonrvn | Pendrag0n: it doesn't effing matter |
| 07:36.30 | beware | links does not support ipv6 for me. visiting an ipv6 only url fails. visiting a dual stack url gives ipv4. |
| 07:36.41 | Pendrag0n | ok, I installed mc, |
| 07:36.47 | simonrvn | beware: so file a bug |
| 07:36.52 | Pendrag0n | what is it's command interface name, so I can read it's manpages |
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| 07:36.58 | beware | i wasn't claiming it's a bug right away |
| 07:37.03 | beware | and for someone else it seems to work |
| 07:37.33 | maxagaz | how to set the samba sid of a new windows machine ? smdldap-useradd -w mymachine doesn't do it. |
| 07:37.38 | beware | i can add that lynx *does* support ipv6, fwiw |
| 07:38.06 | Pendrag0n | denysonique: I did "apt-get installl mc" so now I want to type in "man ????" to read the man page for what you just told me to install, what is it called? |
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| 07:38.30 | simonrvn | Pendrag0n: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 07:39.14 | Supaplex | there. that wasn't so painful. |
| 07:39.17 | Pendrag0n | wait a minute, this midnight commander is a "Visual shell for Unix-like systems." I am shelled into a virtual host, how the heck is this thing suppose to help me with automating an ftp script? |
| 07:39.33 | Supaplex | now to update policy-rc.d to add another layer of "don't $@*$(% with my init scripts" |
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| 07:40.57 | Touns | hi |
| 07:41.03 | Pendrag0n | so you guys are saying, that I can't use SFTP to send a file to a windows ftp server through a batch file? |
| 07:41.59 | flaccid | Pendrag0n no |
| 07:42.08 | flaccid | sftp uses ssh |
| 07:42.13 | flaccid | ftps uses tls |
| 07:42.16 | flaccid | they are not compatible. |
| 07:42.24 | Touns | please, I have a dedicated serveur from OVH, and 2 domain name : one in gandi, and one in namebargain. I wan to send a mail from the domain name from gandi, what smtp should I used to do it ? The one from gandi or OVH please ? |
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| 07:42.45 | flaccid | Touns you can use either or any. |
| 07:42.49 | Touns | s/wan/want/ |
| 07:43.09 | denysoni1ue | Touns: depends what smpt server you want to use |
| 07:43.16 | Pendrag0n | hmm, so what should I install then, I mean, "apt-get install ftp"? I am browsing aptitude right now, and there are so many things with "FTP" in them, but I don't know which one would be the best for this task |
| 07:43.21 | Supaplex | Pendrag0n: you can't use the ftp subsystem of ssh to send files to ssl wrapped ftp. |
| 07:43.49 | Supaplex | it's best to use the same protocol. |
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| 07:44.10 | Touns | denysoni1ue: I want to use ssmtp, but ssmtp looks maybe too simple. I want to send mail sometimes from the domain name from gandi and sometimes from the domain name from namebargain |
| 07:44.24 | Pendrag0n | ok, well I should be able to use an FTP bach file to send an file to an FTP server, but I don't know which ftp program to use, and as far as I can tell, all that is installed on this virtual host is proftpd, and sftp |
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| 07:45.01 | Touns | Pendrag0n: lftp is very powerfull and works fine with TLS. |
| 07:45.15 | Pendrag0n | so I take it I have to intall one, to send files, cause you guys have thoroughly explained why sftp wont work, and I belive proftpd is just for uploading to this box, but not sending via a batch file |
| 07:45.23 | flaccid | Pendrag0n openssh-server is all you need for sftp if that is what you are trying to achieve. |
| 07:45.38 | Pendrag0n | I am not trying to use sftp, just regular ftp |
| 07:45.44 | flaccid | Pendrag0n and once again dude. sftp does not use the ftp protocol!! |
| 07:45.55 | flaccid | Pendrag0n then don't use sftp on command line, use ftp |
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| 07:46.14 | flaccid | if you have problems with normal ftp then you must go learn the difference between ftp passive and active and how they work with firewalls and ports. |
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| 07:46.33 | Pendrag0n | ok, right flaccid, so I won't use it, I want to know what to install to use ftp, I mean, what should I type, apt-get install lftp or apt-get install ftp, I am asking you guys which one is best |
| 07:47.05 | flaccid | <Pendrag0n> I type 'sftp -oPort=2121 -oUser=ut3hax "72.86.123.140"' <-- you certainly were trying to use sftp. |
| 07:47.27 | Pendrag0n | um, dude stop talking about sftp, it won't work, it isn't an sftp sever |
| 07:47.33 | Pendrag0n | I know I was doing it wrong |
| 07:47.38 | flaccid | Pendrag0n i don't use ftp as its insecure. if you still want an insecure ftp daemon, there is vsftpd and proftpd |
| 07:47.43 | Pendrag0n | but I've learned that, so we can stop talking about it |
| 07:48.24 | Pendrag0n | It isn't my choice if it is secure or not, it is a friends server, a friends gig, I am just trying to send a file from Debian to a WINDOWS FTP server for him, this is what I've got to work with, and that is the task that needs done |
| 07:49.14 | cahoot | I'd guess any ftp client |
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| 07:49.56 | flaccid | Pendrag0n if thats the case. you can just use ftp in command line and PUT |
| 07:50.02 | cahoot | I doubt you'll get any response on the 'best' question |
| 07:50.04 | Pendrag0n | which would you suggest, FTP or LFTP? |
| 07:50.10 | Pendrag0n | o ok |
| 07:50.24 | flaccid | Pendrag0n if you have problems, either the problem is the ftp server or passive ftp is failing due to ports closed. |
| 07:50.46 | flaccid | ftp requires more ports than 21 usually so i just sftp. on windows i install an ssh server so i can do so. |
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| 07:51.53 | Supaplex | kisses policy-rc.d now. aptitude -f install == success! |
| 07:52.10 | Gun_Smoke | anyone read the article on /. about openssh 4.7? interesting.. |
| 07:52.35 | nsadmin | Gun_Smoke: what part interested you the most? |
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| 07:53.35 | ^shark_ | i am running 2.6.26-2-686 as a gateway & usually ping reports request timeouts, eth1(local) & eth0(global). i think its due to the kernel response(overruns) / latency in the eth1 card as seen here >> http://pastebin.com/d5e6ad935 |
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| 07:53.56 | nsadmin | Pendrag0n: personally I'd recommend using ssh/scp/sftp and staying away from ftp... but that goes 10 fold if you are doing any kind of authenticated ftp |
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| 07:54.51 | Gun_Smoke | nsadmin, I suppose how the attack works and then that the heads up was given in advance at least. Then to say that it's still flawed, but only countermeasures were taken. Which leads me to believe there must be more vulnerabilities to discover. |
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| 07:54.58 | nsadmin | if you're in any way concerned about security, ftp (and telnet) should be avoided |
| 07:55.10 | flaccid | Pendrag0n anyway if you are doing ftp hostname and then trying to put the file and it is not doing anything. you either need to turn on passive or turn it of iirc. its PASV Off |
| 07:55.34 | flaccid | nsadmin yeah he just wants to up the file. but doesn't understand why there is a problem which is likely passive ftp |
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| 07:55.57 | flaccid | unless the problem was using sftp and not ftp client |
| 07:56.42 | ^shark_ | asks if anyone is up to challenge my dilema |
| 07:56.50 | nsadmin | the sftp client will have a prompt that looks like "sftp> " |
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| 08:03.33 | ^shark_ | i am running 2.6.26-2-686 as a gateway & usually ping reports request timeouts, eth1(local) & eth0(global). i think its due to the kernel response(overruns) / latency in the eth1 card as seen here >> http://pastebin.com/d5e6ad935 |
| 08:04.00 | ^shark_ | any ideas good people? |
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| 08:05.07 | pbn | Hi how can I force tar to include "hidden" files (starting with .) ? |
| 08:05.38 | nsadmin | that's not in the tar man page |
| 08:05.41 | nsadmin | ? |
| 08:06.06 | pbn | nsadmin: nope, already looked |
| 08:06.32 | nsadmin | and you're sure it doesn't include them? |
| 08:06.46 | pbn | nsadmin: aaah wait |
| 08:07.18 | pbn | oh dumb me, it does ! |
| 08:07.23 | pbn | nsadmin: sorry heh :) |
| 08:07.28 | pbn | got up too early |
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| 08:08.12 | nsadmin | I wasn't able to test it... my /home is full (it's 30g) |
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| 08:09.28 | tdn | I get messages like this one in dmesg: (scsi1:A:6:0): Unexpected busfree in Command phase |
| 08:09.31 | tdn | What does that mean? |
| 08:09.46 | tdn | SEQADDR == 0x16c |
| 08:10.04 | tdn | I also get this: scsi1: Unexpected busfree while idle |
| 08:10.13 | nsadmin | ^shark_: not sure about the kernel stuff... but I was curious, are you using ipmasq to do the router/masq function? |
| 08:10.14 | tdn | Is my scsi controller broken? |
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| 08:10.31 | nsadmin | it's possible the drive is dying |
| 08:13.21 | tdn | nsadmin, what can I do to check which drive is dying? (It is RAID) |
| 08:13.39 | nsadmin | doesn't the message say? |
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| 08:15.13 | fireba11 | hi, i'm using exim4 with simple vacation notices via a .forward file and unseen pipe "/usr/bin/vacation $local_part" .. i noticed that only sends notices if the mail was adressed directly to the user, not if i use any aliases. how can i change that? |
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| 08:21.09 | Supaplex | fireba11: vacation messages suck for backscatter spam, mailing lists, and sometimes loops. |
| 08:23.06 | fireba11 | Supaplex: it's set to only reply once to every address ... we need it for company use here but i'm option for suggestions for alternative solutions |
| 08:23.20 | fireba11 | s/option/open |
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| 08:25.13 | Supaplex | maybe a channel specific to mail servers. |
| 08:27.08 | fireba11 | #exim seems pretty dead i'm afraid |
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| 08:31.13 | pARAd0X85 | hi |
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| 08:32.47 | pARAd0X85 | I want to configure my VGA output (mirror) using xrandr 1.2, I want to scale VGA because my LVDS is 1280x800 and the max of VGA is 1024x768 |
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| 08:33.31 | pARAd0X85 | the screen in VGA is cutted |
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| 08:33.56 | pARAd0X85 | any solution for that ? |
| 08:34.10 | hoohah | hello. I've enabled testing and sid repositories. (originally with sid, got testing for packages like gimp etc.) Is there a way for me to list installed packages from testing, and to see if there are any available packages in sid with >= version? |
| 08:35.37 | Mallxs | Hi is there a command to clear and/or delete a users mail queue ? |
| 08:35.42 | stuNNed | hoohah: i'm sure there is but don't know how |
| 08:35.57 | stuNNed | hoohah: you could probably do it with synaptic |
| 08:36.12 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: vga does not have 1024x768 |
| 08:36.18 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: maybe you really mean vesa |
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| 08:36.33 | hoohah | stuNNed: i don't have synaptic |
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| 08:36.56 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: and vesa certainly doesnt do scaling either |
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| 08:38.14 | pARAd0X85 | http://pastebin.com/d291913b |
| 08:38.27 | pARAd0X85 | valdyn, VGA means the output ! |
| 08:38.46 | pARAd0X85 | see the xrandr output from the link |
| 08:39.28 | Mallxs | hoohah: you better stick to ONE level test or sid then a simle apt-get update and apt-get upgrade will doe the job .... going back test to stable is a bit harder |
| 08:40.16 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: you tried --scale ? |
| 08:40.45 | pARAd0X85 | I don't have that option |
| 08:40.51 | pARAd0X85 | I have xrandr 1.2 |
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| 08:41.07 | Pendrag0n | Ok, i figued it out with lftp |
| 08:41.18 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: guess you might need xrandr 1.3 |
| 08:41.28 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: and a driver supporting xrandr 1.3 |
| 08:42.13 | pARAd0X85 | :( |
| 08:42.21 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: is it an nvidia card? |
| 08:42.24 | hoohah | Mallxs: yeah, i'm trying to go back to sid only |
| 08:42.25 | pARAd0X85 | Intel |
| 08:42.32 | hoohah | Mallxs: except, i've forgotten which packages i got from testing |
| 08:42.42 | Pendrag0n | Thanks all, |
| 08:42.44 | Pendrag0n | bed time |
| 08:43.06 | pARAd0X85 | valdyn, NVidia has an integrated and very more advanced tool to simplify things |
| 08:43.16 | hoohah | Mallxs: i've removed mention of testing from sources.list, and did an update, but aptitude doesn't show any packages to be removed |
| 08:43.17 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: just a GUI |
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| 08:43.36 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: but xrandr 1.3 does more |
| 08:43.49 | pARAd0X85 | you don't know the NVIDIA configurator |
| 08:43.55 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: im usingit |
| 08:44.13 | pARAd0X85 | o_O |
| 08:44.56 | pARAd0X85 | in the nvidia GUI, you can even define screens that are not in the same position |
| 08:45.01 | pARAd0X85 | bah |
| 08:45.02 | pARAd0X85 | yes |
| 08:45.10 | pARAd0X85 | maybe xrandr has this too |
| 08:45.32 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: i cannot turn the image in nvidia, i can with xrandr |
| 08:45.33 | pARAd0X85 | but my my old xrandr 1.2 and XServer 1.5.2, I am facing problems |
| 08:45.41 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: true |
| 08:46.12 | pARAd0X85 | in debian 5.0 what's the version of XServer/ xrandr ? |
| 08:46.19 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: 1.2 |
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| 08:46.53 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: why do you want the same modes on both displays? |
| 08:46.57 | Pendrag0n | lol, I forgot the command, to look at the total size of a directory in human readable form |
| 08:47.19 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: obviously you are using mirroring right now, but is that even what you want in the end? |
| 08:48.03 | Pendrag0n | ah, du -sh |
| 08:48.14 | pARAd0X85 | valdyn, you haven't used your linux for presentation using a videoprojector ? |
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| 08:48.36 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: what do I have to do with this |
| 08:48.47 | Mallxs | hoohah: http://www.miketaylor.org.uk/tech/wxinmfpl/debian.html |
| 08:48.58 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: scaling is probably a bad idea for a projector too |
| 08:49.04 | pARAd0X85 | valdyn, ?? didn't understand ! |
| 08:49.16 | pARAd0X85 | I scale because a part of screen is cutted |
| 08:49.22 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: bad idea |
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| 08:49.30 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: change the mode, dont scale |
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| 08:49.39 | pARAd0X85 | :D |
| 08:49.44 | pARAd0X85 | valdyn, understand me |
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| 08:49.48 | pARAd0X85 | I changed the mode |
| 08:49.50 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: presentations *can* have lines of single pixel width |
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| 08:49.59 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: those lines can vanish if you use scaling |
| 08:50.03 | pARAd0X85 | but the max in VGA is 1024x768 |
| 08:50.19 | pARAd0X85 | my laptop resolution is 1200x800 |
| 08:50.38 | Mallxs | hoohah: Next time you start playing with versions .. do a dpkg -l > dpkg_hist |
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| 08:50.45 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: scaling is bad solution to this |
| 08:50.52 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: and i already told you why that is |
| 08:50.55 | hoohah | Mallxs: weird, firefox complains of an invalid url |
| 08:51.01 | pARAd0X85 | I have understand |
| 08:51.08 | hoohah | Mallxs: but i see why |
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| 08:51.30 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: now you have 2 sane alternatives, one is changing mode to 1024x768, the other is not using mirror |
| 08:51.35 | pARAd0X85 | so I need to change the mode to be the same for LVDS&VGA |
| 08:51.41 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: or clone mode or whatever you call it |
| 08:51.52 | pARAd0X85 | :'( |
| 08:52.10 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: dont you understand why scaling is bad? |
| 08:52.14 | pARAd0X85 | bah, it seems to be a solution, but a bad solution... |
| 08:52.16 | pARAd0X85 | no |
| 08:52.21 | pARAd0X85 | I don't understand |
| 08:52.26 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: ok, ill try again |
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| 08:52.40 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: scaling removes every nth line and every nth column |
| 08:52.47 | hoohah | Mallxs: that page really doesn't answer my question |
| 08:52.53 | DONDON | when i scroll in an X window some greys flash light greens or light reds in a strobing manner |
| 08:52.54 | hoohah | but it's no biggie. figured it out for myself |
| 08:52.55 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: it does not know or care if that line or column is important |
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| 08:53.23 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: thats fine for pictures or movies, but its not fine for things typically shown in presentations |
| 08:53.58 | creature_ | how do you go about compiling a C file when there is no makefile? |
| 08:53.59 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: with the right amount of bad luck the graph you may want to show your audience might just not show at all |
| 08:54.48 | nsadmin | creature_: what's the name of the .c? |
| 08:55.02 | creature_ | foobar.c |
| 08:55.14 | nsadmin | try make foobar |
| 08:55.16 | valdyn | creature_: are we doing your homework? |
| 08:55.28 | creature_ | nsadmin: there is no makefile |
| 08:55.39 | pARAd0X85 | valdyn, if it removes nth line/column it would be a bad algorithm |
| 08:55.44 | nsadmin | ok, man make |
| 08:55.44 | pARAd0X85 | I understand what you mean |
| 08:55.59 | valdyn | pARAd0X85: feel free to invent a better algorithm |
| 08:56.16 | nano- | What is the recommended way of tweaking blockdev settings (readahead) such as they will automagically apply on next reboot? (thinking similar to /etc/sysctl.d/ directory) |
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| 08:57.42 | hoohah | quick ot question: for mailing lists, is where should To: and CC: be directed to? |
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| 08:57.58 | hoohah | To: the list, and CC: the author? |
| 08:58.07 | themill | How about just "gcc foobar.c". No makefile required. |
| 08:58.27 | valdyn | themill: oh no, that would be to simple |
| 08:58.31 | nsadmin | valdyn: could be homework.... could be he's trying to build an exploit |
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| 09:01.37 | nsadmin | hoohah: sometimes the author doesn't want to be cc:ed |
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| 09:05.21 | mib_uq70ih | I'm trying to do a lenny->squeeze upgrade, and I keep running into WARNING: this version of the GNU libc requires kernel version 2.6.18 or later. Please upgrade your kernel before installing glibc. |
| 09:05.36 | mib_uq70ih | But libc is six kinds of messy right now, since I'm in the middle of a dist-upgrade. |
| 09:05.42 | nsadmin | so upgrade your kernel |
| 09:06.02 | hoohah | nsadmin: is that something the author makes evident in the post, or something in headers in email he/she sends? |
| 09:06.11 | nsadmin | did you read the release notes for squeeze? |
| 09:06.12 | Supaplex | sounds like you're trying to do sarge->squeeze if you don't have a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 09:06.16 | mib_uq70ih | nsadmin: I can't. |
| 09:06.19 | valdyn | mib_uq70ih: you should already have installed a newer kernel for lenny, before that upgrade |
| 09:06.22 | hoohah | nsadmin: i'm basically trying to formulate send-hooks for mail i receive on any mailing list |
| 09:06.40 | mib_uq70ih | Because I've got blocks on libc. |
| 09:06.53 | hoohah | nsadmin: i'm trying to work on mail i'd get (via cc) when someone replies to a mail i posted via gmane web interface |
| 09:07.06 | Supaplex | mib_uq70ih: what's uname -a show? |
| 09:07.15 | mib_uq70ih | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 09:07.25 | Supaplex | well 2.6.8 is clearly too old |
| 09:07.26 | nsadmin | hoohah: some will put it in their signature |
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| 09:07.36 | hoohah | nsadmin: my mail would be scattered across different mailing lists (support questions really,) so I can't subscribe to them all |
| 09:07.50 | Supaplex | mib_uq70ih: you should have upgraded paste 2.6.18 if you were properly on lenny. |
| 09:07.55 | Supaplex | s/paste/past/ |
| 09:07.59 | mib_uq70ih | I probably screwed up the dist-upgrade back in the day. |
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| 09:08.30 | Supaplex | yeah. you've got some home work to do. start with etch->lenny first |
| 09:08.38 | mib_uq70ih | That's the weird thing. |
| 09:08.48 | mib_uq70ih | The debian-version shows I'm in lenny/sid |
| 09:08.56 | Supaplex | I suggest the release notes at a minimum. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 09:09.06 | nsadmin | oh, you want to upgrade all the way to lenny first |
| 09:09.20 | Supaplex | nsadmin: I'm talking to mib_uq70ih |
| 09:09.28 | nsadmin | you hAve an old lenny that was pre-release |
| 09:09.37 | mib_uq70ih | Ah. |
| 09:09.40 | mib_uq70ih | And... how do I do this? :( |
| 09:10.17 | Supaplex | don't make me beat you with a rubber hose. a lot of people spent hard earned time on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 09:10.38 | Supaplex | repeat after me, I will read the release notes |
| 09:10.52 | Supaplex | every step is spelled out crystal clear |
| 09:11.20 | nsadmin | yeah, I upgraded my laptop to lenny from etch... my desktop is still etch |
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| 09:11.39 | nsadmin | and I did read the release notes |
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| 09:12.22 | mib_uq70ih | Okie. |
| 09:12.26 | Supaplex | nsadmin: I wasn't speaking to you, only because I didn't pay attention to what you're here for. but if you want to upgrade to lenny, most of it applies. :) |
| 09:12.32 | mib_uq70ih | So... go to etch, then to lenny, then to squeeze. |
| 09:12.34 | nsadmin | and they did spell out the process (including some unexpected requirements) very clearly |
| 09:12.43 | Supaplex | mib_uq70ih: perfect :) yes! |
| 09:12.52 | nsadmin | you['re not even at etch yet?! |
| 09:13.01 | themill | It smells more like a sarge->squeeze not lenny->squeeze |
| 09:13.06 | nsadmin | wow :) |
| 09:13.07 | Supaplex | nsadmin: he has a .8 kernel. not .18 :) |
| 09:13.17 | mib_uq70ih | Ad now aptitude is trying to remove... gcc. |
| 09:13.18 | Supaplex | themill: de'javu |
| 09:13.41 | mib_uq70ih | Cool. |
| 09:13.45 | mib_uq70ih | Well, I'll give it a shot. |
| 09:13.45 | nsadmin | some juju |
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| 09:14.48 | mib_uq70ih | How do I upgrade the kernel in this mess? |
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| 09:15.23 | nsadmin | I'd get the .deb and install it with dpkg |
| 09:15.35 | mib_uq70ih | And which kernel do you recommend trying to go to? |
| 09:15.57 | nano- | How do I write an udev rule such that when booting "echo xxxx > /sys/block/$dev/queue/read_ahead_kb" or "blockdev --setra xxxx /dev/$dev", where $dev might be "sda", will be executed? |
| 09:16.01 | nsadmin | perhaps 2.6.18 to start with |
| 09:16.19 | nsadmin | but get other recommendations |
| 09:16.44 | Supaplex | 2.6.8 -> 2.6.18 is a good start |
| 09:16.48 | nsadmin | you may have to upgrade the kernel several times during this process |
| 09:17.16 | mib_uq70ih | Oh, this is going to be joyous, I can tell already. |
| 09:17.55 | Supaplex | haste is not suggested. :) |
| 09:17.59 | Supaplex | take your time |
| 09:18.44 | nsadmin | you may be able to maximize what little joy is available thru this process if you take your time |
| 09:19.31 | nsadmin | once you're at etch completely things will smooth out going to lenny |
| 09:19.51 | mib_uq70ih | Yeah. |
| 09:20.00 | mib_uq70ih | I'm already running into problems trying to get the kernel to the right place for etch. |
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| 09:20.49 | mib_uq70ih | Is there no 386 for 2.6.18? |
| 09:21.19 | nsadmin | there might be a 486 |
| 09:21.38 | nsadmin | what processor do you have? |
| 09:21.59 | mib_uq70ih | Intel Pentium 4. |
| 09:22.03 | mib_uq70ih | I can probably go to 686. |
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| 09:22.08 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 09:22.19 | Supaplex | mib_uq70ih: 386 was done away with in etch, or maybe sarge |
| 09:22.30 | nsadmin | that would get you going a bit faster than a 386 |
| 09:22.40 | mib_uq70ih | http://rafb.net/p/qmHne195.html |
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| 09:23.42 | mazimp | hello - I have a serious (maybe locking) problem with KDE Applications working on a CIFS mount in lenny, kwrite e. g. cannot save an existing file but can create new ones, with etch everything is working fine, any ideas? |
| 09:23.57 | nsadmin | you might want to try installing the depends by grabbing the .debs and installing them with dpkg |
| 09:24.04 | mib_uq70ih | Kay. |
| 09:25.06 | nsadmin | then get a specific linux-image package (i.e., one that has the kernel in it :) as a deb and install that with dpkg too, after those |
| 09:25.47 | mib_uq70ih | Okie, let's see if this system comes back up. :D |
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| 09:26.09 | nsadmin | also you will want to correct your sources.list so you can completely get to etch |
| 09:26.17 | mib_uq70ih | I changed source.list to etch. |
| 09:26.23 | mib_uq70ih | ... release notes. ;) |
| 09:27.18 | mib_uq70ih | Cool, it came back. |
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| 09:28.09 | mib_uq70ih | So, then a dist-upgrade, right? |
| 09:28.16 | mib_uq70ih | To get me to etch. |
| 09:28.37 | mib_uq70ih | Then change the sources.list to lenny, and dist-upgrade again? |
| 09:29.54 | mib_uq70ih | Or is it... upgrade then dist-upgrade then change then upgrade then dist-upgrade. |
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| 09:30.45 | hark | read the release notes |
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| 09:31.15 | nsadmin | right now, the etch release notes |
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| 09:35.19 | nsadmin | it might involve things like upgrading a specific package or three before you do the rest |
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| 09:39.39 | nsadmin | also... since your eventual goal is squeeze, there will come a time when squeeze becomes stable... I would recommend when it releases (or maybe two upgrades, one just before release) that you upgrade your box to squeeze stable |
| 09:40.18 | mib_uq70ih | I may just decide to follow stable, and leave it at lenny. |
| 09:40.31 | mib_uq70ih | And follow 'stable', as opposed to 'lenny'. |
| 09:40.58 | nsadmin | well if you do that, you could get surprised at release time |
| 09:41.03 | mib_uq70ih | True. |
| 09:41.10 | mib_uq70ih | I think I had that happen to me, many moons ago. |
| 09:41.18 | mib_uq70ih | Obviously, it's been a while since I did a major upgrade of this machine. :) |
| 09:41.24 | mib_uq70ih | 500 something day uptime on it before this. |
| 09:41.48 | nsadmin | close to 2 years |
| 09:41.52 | mib_uq70ih | Man, I wonder whatever happened to that live-kernel upgrade thing. |
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| 09:43.31 | Supaplex | mib_uq70ih: hurd? |
| 09:43.42 | mib_uq70ih | ksplice |
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| 09:45.47 | enouf | kexec |
| 09:46.08 | mib_uq70ih | Right. |
| 09:46.15 | mib_uq70ih | In the release notes, in section 4.6.1 |
| 09:46.27 | mib_uq70ih | It tells you to run dpkg -l "linux-image*" | grep ^ii |
| 09:46.37 | mib_uq70ih | And that you have to do stuff if it returns nothing |
| 09:46.43 | mib_uq70ih | BUt it doesn't tell you what to do if it does return stuff. |
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| 09:46.52 | mib_uq70ih | Just... nothing? |
| 09:47.11 | enouf | mib_uq70ih: you missed the . |
| 09:47.17 | enouf | er |
| 09:47.47 | enouf | sorry -- it means no linux-image-version pkg is installed, remove the grep |
| 09:48.05 | mib_uq70ih | Ah. OK. |
| 09:48.06 | enouf | and drop the quotations |
| 09:48.17 | mib_uq70ih | So, if it returns stuff, it was already done for you. |
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| 09:48.24 | enouf | and aptitude/apt-get updatew |
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| 09:48.42 | malloc_ | hello everyone |
| 09:48.47 | mib_uq70ih | free() |
| 09:48.56 | malloc_ | :) |
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| 09:49.06 | mib_uq70ih | Wonderful. |
| 09:49.13 | Pendrag0n | hmm.. I can't remember how to spell something even well enough to google search it, Bezzing filters? They are email filters for when you are using your server as a mail server, but I thing I have the word "BEJZING" spelled really, terribly wrong. Does anyone know? |
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| 09:49.18 | Gun_Smoke | nsadmin, mib_uq70ih yeah I would not opt for 'stable' instead use the releases code name |
| 09:49.21 | enouf | mib_uq70ih: man .. i'm reading backwards, apologies |
| 09:49.23 | malloc_ | i have debian testing on my pc, today had about 100 of upgrades |
| 09:49.31 | mib_uq70ih | Pendrag0n: Baysean |
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| 09:49.39 | Pendrag0n | Thank you oh so very much |
| 09:49.41 | mib_uq70ih | Excuse me: Bayesian |
| 09:49.44 | Gun_Smoke | malloc_, same.. think gnome went up |
| 09:49.45 | mib_uq70ih | Spelled it wrong. |
| 09:49.49 | malloc_ | hello everyonegnome gnome-accessibility{a} gnome-core{a} gnome-desktop-environment{a} |
| 09:49.51 | Gun_Smoke | err came down. |
| 09:50.01 | malloc_ | came down? |
| 09:50.10 | Gun_Smoke | from sid |
| 09:50.12 | mib_uq70ih | Well, I'm going to stop tempting fate and leave it at lenny for now... considering, uh, I'm only a little bit over 1.5k miles away from the machine. :D |
| 09:50.17 | mib_uq70ih | Thanks guys. |
| 09:50.20 | malloc_ | okay |
| 09:50.30 | malloc_ | is it safe to upgrade to it you think? |
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| 09:50.43 | enouf | mib_uq70ih: the headers output tells you what each of the 1st column output letters mean when you run dpkg -l (see tha man page and reference?) |
| 09:50.56 | Gun_Smoke | I did on my virtualbox install of squeeze that I follow and all is well.. (so far) |
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| 09:51.03 | Gun_Smoke | malloc_, ^^ |
| 09:51.24 | malloc_ | okay, i could always revert to the .22 version if something goes wrong, right? |
| 09:51.46 | enouf | Pendrag0n: mib_uq70ih Bayesian |
| 09:51.54 | enouf | oh |
| 09:52.06 | enouf | i suck |
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| 09:52.41 | Pendrag0n | thanks man |
| 09:52.55 | Gun_Smoke | malloc_, with some effort sure, as long as you haven't cleaned out /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 09:53.04 | enouf | Pendrag0n: google Bayes ;-) he was some 17th century somebody |
| 09:53.42 | enouf | i just think of Bayer Aspirin :-p |
| 09:53.44 | malloc_ | Gun_Smoke: u mean by running "apt-get clean && apt-get autoclean", right? |
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| 09:54.35 | Pendrag0n | enouf, thanks a bunch, I got an idea for a website, that actually has never been done before |
| 09:54.42 | cantoma | hey guys, whats the best CD/DVD recorder program? |
| 09:54.47 | Pendrag0n | it might be the next woot.com |
| 09:54.50 | Supaplex | the free one |
| 09:54.51 | Gun_Smoke | malloc_, yeah, if you have _not_ done that you should be able to downgrade fairly easily. |
| 09:55.04 | enouf | the one you like most cantoma |
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| 09:55.18 | cantoma | enouf: i don't know anyone |
| 09:55.24 | Gun_Smoke | cantoma, same a enouf said.. what are you currently using? |
| 09:55.33 | malloc_ | unfortunately i have hdd space issues, so i do this every time i do an upgrade |
| 09:55.40 | cantoma | Gun_Smoke: Nero in windows |
| 09:55.40 | enouf | cantoma: CLI -- i use wodim and growisofs |
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| 09:55.55 | Gun_Smoke | cantoma, in windows use infrarecorder |
| 09:56.12 | malloc_ | i think there is a way of specifying which version of a package to install, if two versions exist in the repos |
| 09:56.14 | cantoma | Gun_Smoke: i have now debian |
| 09:56.32 | Gun_Smoke | oh, well anything in debian will do what you need. |
| 09:56.48 | cantoma | Gun_Smoke: what you mean anything? |
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| 09:56.58 | enouf | cantoma: install dvd+rw-tools wodim |
| 09:57.06 | Gun_Smoke | iso's dvd cd blah blah blah |
| 09:57.16 | malloc_ | cantoma: K3b is very good as well |
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| 09:57.25 | enouf | cantoma: i gave up on optical media ... |
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| 09:57.49 | Gun_Smoke | enouf, +1 with disk space as cheap as it is.. |
| 09:58.02 | Gun_Smoke | couple flash drives and be done with it.. |
| 09:58.13 | enouf | cantoma: please read the debian-reference ; also /msg dpkg search |
| 09:58.28 | Gun_Smoke | although I think I remember reading something about a bug in wodim not liking dl dvd's |
| 09:59.14 | enouf | and/or multisession crap and that weirdo red+yellowbook ones that all asshats use |
| 09:59.36 | cantoma | enouf: sorry man, i did a apt-cache search for cd stuff and I found many things. So I just ask which one did ussually people use |
| 09:59.50 | malloc_ | Gun_Smoke: thanks a lot for your help |
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| 09:59.57 | malloc_ | bb everyone |
| 10:00.05 | enouf | i'd think it'd be pink, but that doesn't ring any bells |
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| 10:00.14 | cantoma | enouf: also i am lookign for something with a gui like nero. i don't want console based stuff |
| 10:00.15 | gypsymauro | h |
| 10:00.16 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 10:00.30 | Supaplex | !tell cantoma -about search |
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| 10:00.34 | enouf | cantoma: many GUI ones are frontends to those i mentioned, and many are DE related |
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| 10:00.58 | Ovi_1 | I'm using apt-build to build my own packages, but installing them with aptitude complains about verification.....I was thinking about using my own key to sign the built packages myself. Does anyone use apt-build and do you have a better idea? |
| 10:01.09 | cantoma | malloc_: i will try it |
| 10:01.43 | enouf | cantoma: k3b is certainly a fav amongst GUI users |
| 10:01.44 | gypsymauro | I've this scsi controller 05:00.0 SCSI storage controller: Initio Corporation INI-A100U2W (rev 01) but debian lenny doens't load its' module :( and I can't find it manually too.. it seems to be a100u2w |
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| 10:01.53 | xor | Hi there |
| 10:01.57 | cantoma | Supaplex: i did that i was just asking which one is more popular |
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| 10:05.54 | cantoma | enouf: the only problem with k3b is that is asking me now to install a lot of KDE junk and I am a wmaker user. |
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| 10:07.30 | JosefAssad | hello |
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| 10:09.11 | khaije1 | does virt-manager work in lenny for other folks? It's all screwy for me |
| 10:09.16 | JosefAssad | I just installed lenny and upgraded to squeeze. I have an /etc/apt/sources.list which looks like this: http://pastebin.ca/1430844 . I'm not seeing MyPasswordSafe anywhere in the repos; am I missing something? |
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| 10:10.13 | gypsymauro | there is a way to compile just a module instead compile all the kernel? using a "standard" debian kernel (no patched or not compiled manually) |
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| 10:10.30 | nkuttler | !tell JosefAssad about pdo |
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| 10:11.06 | nkuttler | gypsymauro: make-kpkg has the module_image target which should allow that iirc |
| 10:11.11 | JosefAssad | nkuttler: Yes, I just discovered that. Sorry. |
| 10:11.16 | nkuttler | np |
| 10:12.01 | JosefAssad | Bugger, it isn't in squeeze and the compile breaks (version of qtdesigner used is too old) |
| 10:12.17 | nkuttler | !tell JosefAssad about ssbp |
| 10:12.32 | nkuttler | oh wait, that will probably fail too.. |
| 10:13.35 | JosefAssad | nkuttler: Actually, I think the root of the problem is, the package is comparatively unmaintained. I'd better switch |
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| 10:13.56 | JosefAssad | if it was maintained I'd have been able to compile it with less fuss. |
| 10:14.05 | nkuttler | uses a gpg encrypted text file for passwords |
| 10:14.32 | JosefAssad | nkuttler: Probably the most reasonable idea. Though I'll see if emacs has a clever solution (usually does) |
| 10:15.03 | valdyn | judd: versions mypasswordsafe |
| 10:15.05 | nkuttler | i have automated vim to decrypt on editing and have a decrypt/grep alias in bash |
| 10:15.05 | judd | valdyn: mypasswordsafe -- etch: 0.0.20050615-2 sid: 0.0.20050615-2.1 |
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| 10:15.18 | Entmoot | howcome I have to run ifup eth0 after /etc/init.d/networking restart.... to get connections up and running again? |
| 10:15.22 | valdyn | JosefAssad: or "apt-cache search password safe" |
| 10:15.42 | JosefAssad | valdyn: yeah, turns out it isn't in squeeze |
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| 10:31.47 | rga_1 | Hello, I am tryin'g to setup a master-slave mysql, but does not work since it shows that is replicated, but it does not copy all databases |
| 10:31.50 | rga_1 | any idea? |
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| 10:34.37 | enouf | what the f is it about reiserfs 3.6 that makes any/all grep slower that a turtle that's been run over in the road? |
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| 10:35.57 | enouf | oh dear -- it's killing my poor CPU as well |
| 10:36.09 | jelly | don't blame the fs |
| 10:36.28 | enouf | blames the tool |
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| 10:36.59 | jelly | grep can be slow when a UTF-8 locale is in effect |
| 10:37.32 | enouf | jelly: do you think/know if remounting without notail,data=journal would help with that? |
| 10:37.41 | jelly | no |
| 10:37.45 | enouf | jelly: no utf8 |
| 10:37.54 | enouf | i even have localepurge ;-) |
| 10:38.08 | jelly | I have no idea what localepurge does. |
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| 10:38.33 | enouf | it deletes extraneous unecessary locales |
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| 10:38.56 | enouf | iso-8859-1 only |
| 10:39.00 | enouf | here |
| 10:40.00 | jelly | so, locale command doesn't report any xx_XX.UTF-8? Then it's not that. |
| 10:40.12 | enouf | correct |
| 10:40.36 | jelly | is the partition filled up? |
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| 10:41.09 | jelly | enouf: (or, was it filled up at any point in the past) |
| 10:41.13 | enouf | http://pastebin.ca/raw/1430869 |
| 10:41.24 | fishsponge_ | hey people - i just installed lenny onto a Dell Poweredge 2950 with 4GB RAM, and top only shows 3365728k total - i'm on "2.6.26-2-686" according to uname... any suggestions? |
| 10:41.28 | enouf | jelly: hrm ... let me check |
| 10:41.35 | fishsponge_ | should i install the OS again with different options? |
| 10:42.20 | enouf | jelly: 91% in use, don;t think it's been over that ever -> /dev/hdc3 19534436 17660480 1873956 91% /mnt/p3 |
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| 10:42.34 | jelly | enouf: yeah, 91% is way too much for reiser 3 |
| 10:42.58 | jelly | enouf: expect performance issues with anything past 80-85% |
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| 10:43.13 | enouf | ok - will do some house cleaning - it's a data partition - and i don't recall grep even being this slow on it in the paset |
| 10:43.18 | enouf | past* |
| 10:43.29 | enouf | jelly: sure - i concur |
| 10:43.48 | enouf | s/even/ever/ |
| 10:43.53 | jelly | enouf: I've filled up mine to 93% once, and it resulted in permanent performance degradation - deleting stuff back to 60% didn't help |
| 10:44.02 | fishsponge_ | can anyone help with my missing RAM? i'm only seeing 3365728k of my 4GB... do i need to reinstall with different options? |
| 10:44.15 | jelly | enouf: then we got rid of reiserfs for good. |
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| 10:44.56 | OpenTokix | fishsponge_: PAE-kernel |
| 10:44.56 | jelly | fishsponge_: you'll have to install and reboot into a -686-bigmem kernel flavor |
| 10:45.03 | enouf | jelly: yikes ... :-/ |
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| 10:45.39 | fireba11 | jelly: don't the debian kernels support more than 4 GB by default since etch? |
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| 10:45.52 | jelly | fireba11: not on i386 |
| 10:45.59 | fireba11 | ow |
| 10:46.06 | fireba11 | okay, missed the i368 part |
| 10:46.09 | enouf | jelly: i recently moved rootfs over onto reiserfs 3.6 from an ext3 life |
| 10:46.16 | enouf | jelly: works the treat |
| 10:46.17 | jelly | enouf: dumb idea. |
| 10:46.19 | fishsponge_ | i'm not on i386, i'm on i686 according to uname... |
| 10:46.22 | enouf | jelly: not |
| 10:46.28 | fishsponge_ | i know tey're kinda the same, but are they the same in this instance? |
| 10:46.52 | jelly | enouf: we replaced all the reiserfs with ext3 in '01, it was not worth the trouble |
| 10:46.54 | enouf | jelly: recently == 1-2 weeks ago |
| 10:47.08 | enouf | was 3.6 even out then.? |
| 10:47.22 | enouf | and .. plenty of space now on / |
| 10:47.24 | jelly | yes. |
| 10:47.30 | enouf | wow |
| 10:47.35 | fishsponge_ | jelly: i'm not on i386, i'm on i686 according to uname... |
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| 10:48.09 | fishsponge_ | anyway. i now know i need to install the 686-bigmem kernel, but there are a lot of packages containing the string "2.6.26-2-686-bigmem" - which one do i need to install here? |
| 10:48.12 | enouf | fishsponge_: the -bigmem only come as -686 |
| 10:48.13 | jelly | fishsponge_: dpkg --print-architecture will tell you "i386", which is your Debian OS architecture |
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| 10:48.18 | jaggz- | hmm.. nickserv .. do /msg's go through without being identified? |
| 10:48.28 | enouf | fishsponge_: jelly is correct |
| 10:48.33 | fishsponge_ | jelly, indeed it does - than kyou for that |
| 10:48.35 | jaggz- | enouf, I sent you a /msg |
| 10:48.48 | fishsponge_ | i still don't know which package to install to get the new kernel though... lots of packages contain the relevant string... |
| 10:48.50 | enouf | jaggz-: well - you should ask first ;-) |
| 10:48.52 | jelly | fishsponge_: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem sounds all right. You're using debian 5.0 (lenny)? |
| 10:49.01 | VSpike | I'm trying to follow http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-debian.phtml#configure_by_hand .. it mentions creating or editing /etc/ppp/options.pptp ... |
| 10:49.07 | fishsponge_ | linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem, linux-image-686-bigmem, linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem, etc... |
| 10:49.14 | fishsponge_ | jelly, yes, lenny (5.0) |
| 10:49.18 | enouf | jelly: i don't allow unsolicited /msg to steal my irssi focus window |
| 10:49.37 | VSpike | I have /etc/ppp/pptpd-options already, but AIUI that is for incoming pptp connections.. is that right? |
| 10:49.38 | jelly | fishsponge_: if you install linux-image-686-bigmem, it will automatically pull in the best supported version. |
| 10:49.41 | jaggz- | How do I know what I should ask for first? |
| 10:49.58 | enouf | jaggz-: google define:netiquette |
| 10:50.04 | VSpike | So I still need to crate the file as described in the howto? |
| 10:50.17 | fishsponge_ | ok, so should i run this: apt-get install linux-image-686-bigmem && reboot |
| 10:50.28 | enouf | fishsponge_: apt-get update |
| 10:50.40 | enouf | then apt-cache search .... .. then decide |
| 10:50.59 | fishsponge_ | i would love to decide, but i can't - that's the problem... i don't know enough to decide... lol |
| 10:51.00 | jelly | fishsponge_: right, but make sure it updated your boot loader before rebooting |
| 10:51.12 | fishsponge_ | jelly: would that be in /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 10:51.18 | jelly | fishsponge_: yes. |
| 10:51.24 | fishsponge_ | ok, cool... |
| 10:51.49 | fishsponge_ | also during an apt-get update, i see lots of "Ign" repos... any reason? this is a default install so far |
| 10:52.16 | enouf | fishsponge_: many of those pkgs are 'metapackages' which hvave depends on specific kernel version .. which is why again; jelly 's info is good |
| 10:53.07 | enouf | judd depends linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 10:53.07 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-686 -- Depends: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 10:53.12 | enouf | see? |
| 10:53.21 | fishsponge_ | jelly's info is indeed good, but i'm not sure how to relate this "metapackage" info to my kernel update... sorry for being stupid! |
| 10:53.31 | enouf | !metapackage |
| 10:53.31 | dpkg | somebody said metapackage was a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 10:53.32 | fishsponge_ | ah, gotcha |
| 10:53.46 | fishsponge_ | metapackages = cool, in that case :-) |
| 10:53.55 | enouf | yes - for most ;-) |
| 10:54.00 | jaggz- | In this line, <CR> is the only place I hit enter, and all I typed was "su http<CR>dir" ... thost:/w/abc.com/beta# su http<CR> thost:/w/abc.com/beta$ dexit thost:/w/abc.com/beta# ir |
| 10:54.10 | jelly | "Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like." srsly |
| 10:54.12 | jaggz- | how did "exit" get typed? |
| 10:54.12 | enouf | for some, it causes issues, ..but then again - those should know better |
| 10:54.42 | jelly | jaggz-: is that a Debian machine? |
| 10:54.44 | jaggz- | yes |
| 10:54.45 | enouf | <CR> ? not TAB? |
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| 10:55.09 | jaggz- | right, I hit enter on the su, then I was in the http account and was typing "dir".. of course I type the letters quickly |
| 10:55.20 | jelly | jaggz-: grep ^http: /etc/passwd |
| 10:55.23 | jaggz- | but somehow "exit<ENTER>" was actually sent out |
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| 10:55.38 | jelly | jaggz-: you might have accidentally pressed ctrl-d |
| 10:55.51 | enouf | jaggz-: my keyboard is _screwed_ in X at this point - it pisses me off - whenever i hit Home or End, a tilde appears at the end of the text no matter where the cursor is |
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| 10:55.54 | jaggz- | tested that -- it doesn't actually send "exit" |
| 10:56.16 | jaggz- | enouf, run "cat" and then hit home/end and see what sequence is being sent |
| 10:56.20 | enouf | jaggz-: all NunPad keys do not work at all - my DownArrow does not work |
| 10:56.27 | enouf | jaggz-: all woirks well in Console |
| 10:56.30 | jelly | jaggz-: does the exit thing happen reliably, every time you su? |
| 10:56.41 | jaggz- | nope.. it did happen before, but I can't induce it msyelf, jelly |
| 10:56.55 | jaggz- | ooh, I just did it |
| 10:57.11 | enouf | jaggz-: i love what happens when one does ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`[TAB][TAB] |
| 10:57.15 | enouf | oh the joy |
| 10:57.18 | jaggz- | if I su to http, wait a sec, and type d, it outputs http |
| 10:57.26 | enouf | even $(uname -r) |
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| 10:57.50 | jelly | jaggz-: it could be your terminal and shell are slightly messed up |
| 10:58.02 | enouf | your X keymap is screwed |
| 10:58.06 | enouf | IMHO |
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| 10:58.23 | bAndie9100 | hi all |
| 10:58.31 | fishsponge_ | are the default repository selections sensible on a clean install of lenny, or should i add or remove some to make my distro "more average" or "more normal"? |
| 10:58.32 | jaggz- | that ls lib modules thing isn't working.. but I have bash_completion on |
| 10:58.38 | jaggz- | s/on/running/ |
| 10:58.42 | enouf | heh |
| 10:58.47 | fishsponge_ | i know it's all really personal choice, but are there any repos that most people add or remove after installing? |
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| 11:00.04 | jaggz- | I don't have completion running within http account though |
| 11:00.28 | maddyy | Hi, has does anyone know why does sshd keep my connections alive even tho I have disconnected. I've got 58 open connections like this: maddy pts/66 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 15May09 7days 0.00s 0.03s sshd: maddy [priv] |
| 11:00.43 | jaggz- | fishsponge, maybe the non free repos and media stuff so you can get mp3 writing and other codec stuff going? |
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| 11:01.18 | enouf | jaggz-: seeems it's fixed - it doesn't do it anymore here either (.28) |
| 11:01.29 | jaggz- | maddy.. are you ssh'ing through anything weird like a proxy? |
| 11:01.57 | enouf | jaggz-: OR .. my $TERM is set a bit different |
| 11:02.02 | enouf | or something |
| 11:02.04 | maddyy | no, nothing special done with the sshd |
| 11:02.10 | jahil | hi everyone |
| 11:02.46 | jahil | how to build lenny xen custom kerenl? - any hint |
| 11:03.20 | enouf | fishsponge_: /msg dpkg (each of these) {contrib, non-free, dmm} |
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| 11:03.55 | jaggz- | wow.. I wanted to test if the "<cr>d" was somehow a weird sequence.. so I copied: echo -e 'su http\nd' to my clipboard and pasted it (so the kb sequence would be only shift-ins for my paste) |
| 11:04.02 | enouf | jaggz-: wiki.debian.org/Xen ? |
| 11:04.09 | tingle | mornin, i installed debian minimal whit xorg and gnome-core looks great but i dont have the network manager i normally have whit a fulld debian+gnome installation or even whit ubuntu. does anyone know what package i need to install for that networkmanager? i needs to support wireless too |
| 11:04.17 | enouf | er |
| 11:04.18 | jaggz- | it su'ed to http fine, and a d was the first letter on the commandline... then I hit <BS> and it made it into $ dexit |
| 11:04.26 | enouf | jahil: : wiki.debian.org/Xen ? |
| 11:04.34 | enouf | not jaggz- |
| 11:04.43 | jaggz- | enouf .. the tab thing is fixed or the TERM thing? |
| 11:04.57 | enouf | jaggz-: i'm not sure yet |
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| 11:05.09 | jelly | jaggz-: sounds like terminal issues all right, run "stty -a" in http's shell |
| 11:05.21 | fishsponge_ | when i run update-manager, it reports that "current dist not found in meta-release file"... is this a problem? |
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| 11:05.38 | enouf | fishsponge_: nobody uses that ... :-p |
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| 11:05.47 | jaggz- | k.. yeah, use cat since it doesn't use readline and will echo back your ESC char sequences.. remember ^[ is ESC and ^[[ is ESC[ :) |
| 11:05.47 | jahil | any link or document to build xen custom kernel |
| 11:05.55 | fishsponge_ | ah, ok... apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 11:06.01 | fishsponge_ | enouf, ah, ok... apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 11:06.11 | enouf | fishsponge_: well .. definitely the former |
| 11:06.28 | enouf | but your sources.list entries matter |
| 11:06.30 | maddyy | any idea why /etc/init.d/ssh restart does not kill all the open connections? |
| 11:06.53 | enouf | maddyy: read the release notes |
| 11:07.06 | enouf | and/or the README.* |
| 11:07.07 | jaggz- | http://bdh.voyager.com/paste.txt |
| 11:07.09 | fishsponge_ | enouf, ok... my sources.list is currently as per default, according to a brand new lenny install |
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| 11:07.29 | abrotman | maddyy: it normally doesn't do that .. what if your restart script failed? |
| 11:07.38 | Wooga | how to see contents of not installed package, which was found through apt-cache ? |
| 11:07.42 | enouf | fishsponge_: do you perhaps STILL have a file:/cdrom line? |
| 11:07.45 | jaggz- | maddy, thankfully it doesn't :) |
| 11:07.57 | enouf | Wooga: apt-file |
| 11:07.59 | tingle | mornin, i installed debian minimal whit xorg and gnome-core looks great but i dont have the network manager i normally have whit a fulld debian+gnome installation or even whit ubuntu. does anyone know what package i need to install for that networkmanager? i needs to support wireless too |
| 11:08.04 | fishsponge_ | enouf, nope, the cdrom lines (there are two!) are both commented out |
| 11:08.09 | maddyy | alright, is there a way to disconnect them all? :) |
| 11:08.13 | enouf | Wooga: p.d.o at worst |
| 11:08.19 | jaggz- | see anything in my paste.txt in the stty -a ? I don't know what would do such a thing there |
| 11:08.36 | Wooga | thanks |
| 11:08.45 | enouf | fishsponge_: pastebin what |
| 11:08.52 | nkuttler | tingle: apt-cache search foo |
| 11:08.57 | enouf | fishsponge_: pastebin what you have and ouput of update |
| 11:09.04 | abrotman | maddyy: you could kill them all |
| 11:09.21 | jahil | quit |
| 11:09.24 | enouf | fishsponge_: and tell us if you recently altered it |
| 11:09.32 | tingle | nkuttler: yeah ofc i did but i dont know what one is the right one.. there are more iirc |
| 11:09.41 | maddyy | 58 processes.. btw, is killall and killall5 the same? |
| 11:10.05 | enouf | hugs pkill |
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| 11:10.40 | fishsponge_ | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/1430888 |
| 11:11.10 | enouf | note; all the 'k...' ones aren't necessarily KDE related :-P |
| 11:11.44 | fishsponge_ | enouf, please note that i did a netinst install here, with the boot cd... |
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| 11:13.07 | jaggz- | oohI hate spending time on this stuff.. |
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| 11:13.51 | enouf | fishsponge_: all i can think of, is something is weird with the Translation-en_GB parts, try other mirrors, /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 11:14.17 | enouf | and insure apt-key and debian-archive-keyring are installed fishsponge_ |
| 11:14.32 | fishsponge_ | enouf, hold on... which problem are we talking about here? |
| 11:14.48 | enouf | fishsponge_: or .. there are no more updates ... |
| 11:14.52 | fishsponge_ | i'm getting confused... possibly by doing too many things simultaneously... |
| 11:15.18 | fishsponge_ | ah... could it be that because i did the netinst last night, i already have the latest versions of everything? |
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| 11:15.43 | enouf | http://pastebin.ca/raw/1430888 <== the IGN you complained about |
| 11:16.03 | fishsponge_ | ah, ok - gotcha |
| 11:16.04 | enouf | fishsponge_: depends when the ISO/CD was made |
| 11:16.23 | fishsponge_ | they do seem to be both the Translation ones and DiffIndex ones, if that makes a difference to the reason... |
| 11:16.49 | fishsponge_ | i used the netinst ISO image from around 2 weeks ago |
| 11:16.51 | enouf | fishsponge_: "'apt-cache policy' {pkgname}" can be helpful |
| 11:17.11 | enouf | oh |
| 11:17.16 | themill | There should be a new kernel since the last point release (hence a new kernel since the netinst was made). But I think the installer now recognises this and grabs updates as it goes. |
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| 11:17.54 | fishsponge_ | apt-cache policy here: http://pastebin.ca/1430891 |
| 11:18.21 | enouf | fishsponge_: so long as you can update and upgrade properly, i usually ignore any IGN messages :-) |
| 11:18.31 | fishsponge_ | also, what does "volatile" mean in this context? |
| 11:18.41 | enouf | ... |
| 11:18.53 | denysonique | fishsponge_: breach |
| 11:18.58 | fishsponge_ | ?? |
| 11:18.59 | enouf | fishsponge_: /msg dpkg volatile |
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| 11:20.38 | fishsponge_ | ah, ok, so volatile might contain latset spamassassin versions, for example... so i should leave it in even though this is a production server |
| 11:20.51 | enouf | it depends |
| 11:20.55 | fishsponge_ | on? |
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| 11:21.02 | enouf | do you need spamassassin and clamav? |
| 11:21.05 | enouf | i don't |
| 11:21.10 | fishsponge_ | well, spamassassin, yes - clamav, no |
| 11:21.26 | enouf | you answered yourself then |
| 11:21.33 | fishsponge_ | fair enough |
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| 11:21.40 | denysonique | sorry violate == breach |
| 11:21.47 | abrotman | what? |
| 11:21.52 | fishsponge_ | how do i find out what version of a package apt is going to install? |
| 11:21.56 | enouf | fishsponge_: please review the debian-reference |
| 11:21.58 | abrotman | fishsponge_: apt-cache policy foo |
| 11:21.59 | fishsponge_ | apt-cache search doesn't give version number... |
| 11:22.14 | enouf | 07:12 < enouf> fishsponge_: "'apt-cache policy' {pkgname}" can be helpful |
| 11:22.15 | denysonique | apt-cache showpkg |
| 11:22.35 | denysonique | eix {pkgname} :> |
| 11:22.38 | fishsponge_ | ok, cool |
| 11:22.45 | abrotman | apt-cache policy is better |
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| 11:26.29 | jaggz- | I switched my work consoles to term 1 and browser to term 2 after many years.. |
| 11:27.24 | trifler | jaggz-: Big changes. gratz. |
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| 11:29.04 | jaggz- | thanks.. where do you keep yours? |
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| 11:33.29 | jelly | under the fridge |
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| 11:34.26 | jahil | build xen custom kernel any link to refer |
| 11:34.32 | jelly | work is on workspaces 1, 4-7, and browsers are on workspaces 8-9 |
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| 11:37.07 | jaggz- | is there a security util which takes a snapshot of system files, binaries, etc. so I can store that snapshot remote, then compare at a later time? |
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| 11:37.34 | codeshepherd | how do i change the primary group of a user ? .. if i create a file after chaning the primary group of a user.. will it be owned by user:primarygroup ? |
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| 11:37.47 | jaggz- | I'm not asking for live monitoring, which would be good as well -- the key is keeping a safe copy of them.. (file sizes/dates/times and checksums so they can be compared.. ) |
| 11:40.24 | jaggz- | code, vipw? |
| 11:41.12 | jaggz- | and.. hm.. as far as I know the group would come from the user.. unless there's some sticky bit or something which changed that to be the group of the dir in which the file was created |
| 11:41.22 | enouf | jaggz-: perhaps etckeeper |
| 11:41.39 | enouf | but i just rsync -a /etc /somewhere/safe |
| 11:41.52 | denysonique | enouf: where is safe? |
| 11:42.10 | enouf | denysonique: in my pocket, next to my rocket |
| 11:42.31 | Gun_Smoke | enouf, jaggz- doesn't rkhunter include checks for files like that? |
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| 11:42.45 | Gun_Smoke | enouf, lol geeze.. |
| 11:42.47 | enouf | i never bothered, so don't know |
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| 11:43.04 | jaggz- | well I'd want to compare libraries and such too.. I guess I could actually keep a complete copy instead of md5's.. but it seems it would be a much more efficient system to keep the thumbprint .. no need for the actual data.. |
| 11:43.04 | enouf | yes - i am deranged ;-) |
| 11:43.19 | jaggz- | then again, restoring files when something happens is also a good idea.. hmm |
| 11:43.47 | enouf | jaggz-: maybe partimage or clone* pkgs are for you |
| 11:43.52 | Gun_Smoke | slightly paranoid are you? |
| 11:44.01 | codeshepherd | jaggz- now i have set the primary group to abc.. however when i create a file.. the group associated with that file is same as my username .. |
| 11:44.18 | jaggz- | checking rootkit docs to see what they have going on now.. |
| 11:44.22 | enouf | paranoid? whom? |
| 11:44.31 | Gun_Smoke | jaggz-, |
| 11:44.36 | enouf | ok |
| 11:44.43 | jaggz- | codeshepherd, how did you set the "primary group"? |
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| 11:45.05 | codeshepherd | jaggz-: usermod -g gname uname |
| 11:45.11 | jaggz- | is that an actual term? there's just user and group really.. then you have the additional comma-separated groups to which you can add a user in /etc/group (and the shadow) |
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| 11:45.46 | jaggz- | I don't use that.. does that work? grep uname /etc/passwd find the 2nd # and grep # /etc/group |
| 11:45.57 | jaggz- | probably some info command for that too :) |
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| 11:52.33 | codeshepherd | if i wont to override the default umask.. do i have to set it in .bashrc or .. is there a command to update the default ? |
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| 11:55.01 | SlimG | codeshepherd: Set it in .bashrc I think is the proper way |
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| 11:57.21 | saTTY | hey guys |
| 11:57.28 | jaggz- | ossec is another swecurity thing |
| 11:57.50 | saTTY | how to configure pppoe |
| 11:58.12 | saTTY | pppoeconf shows error |
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| 11:58.39 | ghenry | Hi, I'm using ntp and have the right tz in /etc/timezone |
| 11:58.48 | ghenry | but I want my time like my fedora box Fri May 22 12:58:16 BST 2009 |
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| 11:58.52 | ghenry | the debian one is |
| 11:59.00 | ghenry | Fri May 22 11:58:55 UTC 2009 |
| 11:59.07 | ghenry | how do I make it BST? |
| 11:59.12 | ghenry | ntpd is running |
| 11:59.35 | ghenry | ntpq -p who it's working |
| 11:59.39 | Decepticon | whats the best tool to use for backing up when ive got dirs inside dirs and some dirs i dont want and some i want and its too much of a hassle to do tar --exclude=so/many/times! |
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| 12:01.53 | maxagaz | smbldap-useradd -w myhost doesn't set a SambaSID in the LDAP, why ? |
| 12:02.42 | enouf | codeshepherd: default for all users is in /etc/profile IINM |
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| 12:03.03 | codeshepherd | thanks enouf |
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| 12:03.10 | fantonio_br | hi |
| 12:03.29 | enouf | codeshepherd: however, specific ~/.bash* could override those settings |
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| 12:04.48 | enouf | codeshepherd: most times, you really shouldn't have to touch either - what are you trying to do? |
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| 12:05.07 | fantonio_br | Please can someone give me a free software that collects data from a server Linux / Debian, How to use the machine as network processor memory? |
| 12:05.17 | enouf | oh nm |
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| 12:06.01 | enouf | fantonio_br: i'd love to tell you - howver, i cannot understand your question; /msg dpkg br |
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| 12:06.17 | codeshepherd | enouf: many of us are working on a single directory.. i want anyone in a given group to be able to edit all files created by others in that group |
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| 12:07.07 | enouf | phone |
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| 12:07.41 | fantonio_br | enouf: I was taking a report from my Debian server with the disk space used and the use of memory processing. |
| 12:08.11 | fantonio_br | enouf: I know a software that does this? |
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| 12:09.05 | enouf | df and pstree |
| 12:09.15 | enouf | and top/htop |
| 12:09.23 | enouf | or use some other thing |
| 12:09.36 | petemc | cricket |
| 12:09.42 | enouf | like monit, cacti ... all depends |
| 12:10.16 | fantonio_br | enouf: Yes but I need a web software for real-time I extract a report |
| 12:10.28 | fantonio_br | hunn Cacti |
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| 12:28.14 | flourish | hello all, a strange question! can i bootup the debian system with different timezone with grub when specify different args in grub command? |
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| 12:33.33 | valdyn | flourish: why? |
| 12:33.46 | valdyn | flourish: purpuse? |
| 12:34.29 | OpenTokix | ghenry: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 12:34.41 | ghenry | OpenTokix: tahnks" |
| 12:34.43 | ghenry | thanks! |
| 12:35.03 | valdyn | flourish: messing with timezones would mess up your log files |
| 12:35.25 | valdyn | flourish: and anything else that uses non-utc timestamps |
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| 12:51.27 | sylar | why installing mdadm installs citadel-server ?! |
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| 12:53.38 | OpenTokix | sylar: no it doesnt, must be some other package you have installed |
| 12:53.54 | eusto | hi, how can i display user info (home, bash etc)? |
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| 12:55.03 | abrotman | bash etc? |
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| 12:55.15 | arezey | squeeze now has kde4? |
| 12:55.18 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:55.22 | arezey | i see |
| 12:55.36 | arezey | so i suppose that means "it's ready enough".. |
| 12:56.05 | abrotman | opinions vary |
| 12:56.19 | arezey | well, i'll try and see what mine is then.. |
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| 12:57.01 | eusto | abrotman, i need to see what home, shell and groups does one user have |
| 12:57.09 | eusto | s/bash/shell |
| 12:57.40 | abrotman | eusto: grep username /etc/passwd ? |
| 12:57.41 | berzerka | heya. is there a simple X11 based screenshot utility on debian? nothing fancy.. |
| 12:57.47 | abrotman | scrot |
| 12:58.00 | asg | eusto: getent passwd <user> ; getent group <user> |
| 12:58.06 | eusto | thank you |
| 12:58.16 | berzerka | abrotman: thanks! |
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| 13:04.21 | blackbeard2000 | hi |
| 13:05.07 | flourish | valdyn: a friend always go to foreign and want to change the timezone automatically, unfortunately he is a nerd |
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| 13:05.25 | jaggz- | I wonder why my scanner stopped working :( |
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| 13:05.54 | flourish | valdyn: so i wonder if i can provide two boot items with different timezone |
| 13:06.01 | flourish | by grub |
| 13:08.38 | sylar | OpenTokix, I used 'apt-get install mdadm' from usb disk |
| 13:08.58 | sylar | OpenTokix, I also did 'apt-get install lvm2' |
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| 13:09.08 | asg | flourish: you could pass a bogus tz=foo parameter (i think the kernel will ignore it) and then read that from /proc after boot and change the timezone from an /etc/init.d script. |
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| 13:10.05 | abrotman | asg: but getent can't get shell ? |
| 13:10.12 | valdyn | flourish: thats really stupid anyway |
| 13:10.22 | valdyn | flourish: and if he is a nerd he should understand why |
| 13:10.26 | asg | ~$ getent passwd asg |
| 13:10.27 | asg | asg:x:1000:1000:O_o,,,:/home/asg:/bin/bash |
| 13:10.33 | asg | abrotman: I see shell |
| 13:10.48 | stew | your password is x!! |
| 13:10.49 | valdyn | flourish: and use a clock that just displays his local time instead of changing system tz |
| 13:10.59 | asg | stew: it's s3kre3t |
| 13:11.03 | stew | no its x |
| 13:11.16 | asg | x == see other file |
| 13:11.25 | flourish | thanks, but for calendar it will give wrong time |
| 13:11.26 | stew | i'm still going to use x |
| 13:11.34 | asg | it won't work I'm afraid |
| 13:11.39 | stew | dang |
| 13:11.52 | flourish | asg: can you please describe tz=foo in more detail |
| 13:13.12 | asg | flourish: kernel's boot line is stored after boot in /proc/cmdline. If you were to, say, append a tz=utc+5 or something, you could read that after boot from an init.d script and have the system set the timezone to that (after some minimal parsing) |
| 13:13.27 | valdyn | flourish: proper calendars have their own timezone setting |
| 13:13.35 | valdyn | flourish: and that is also what he should use for that purpose |
| 13:14.06 | asg | stew: you see, I have libpam-rot13 installed |
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| 13:14.25 | stew | oh, sweet |
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| 13:16.40 | flourish | asg: oh, first time to know the /proc/cmdline file, and can you please find me an article about this(i mean boot up), thanks very much |
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| 13:16.59 | flourish | asg: i want know all things about it |
| 13:17.49 | OpenTokix | sylar: oki |
| 13:17.57 | flourish | asg: especially the sequence of files invoked |
| 13:18.13 | OpenTokix | sylar: none of them depends on that package |
| 13:18.19 | OpenTokix | sylar: what debian-version are you using? |
| 13:18.27 | OpenTokix | sylar: I am assuming you are using debian lenny, but? |
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| 13:18.38 | sylar | OpenTokix, debian lenny live |
| 13:18.57 | sylar | OpenTokix, on usb, i downloaded it a few days ago from their site |
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| 13:21.36 | asg | flourish: not sure there is an article, came up with it as a possible solution for you to explore. |
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| 13:23.01 | jelly | asg: I bet you chain that libpam-rot13 to be used twice in a row for best security. |
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| 13:23.12 | flourish | asg: ok, it's a little bit diffcult |
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| 13:23.56 | OpenTokix | sylar: ok, no idea |
| 13:23.57 | asg | jelly: k |
| 13:24.25 | abrotman | asg: didn't see it .. but okay! |
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| 13:24.37 | sylar | OpenTokix, peole at #dibian-live@oftc said "because mdadm wants an mta" |
| 13:24.37 | abrotman | asg: oh .. whoops .. i was thinking of the "database" |
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| 13:24.55 | asg | abrotman: hehe |
| 13:26.27 | nathan-_ | is it possible for bind secondary to automatically create a zone it is created on a bind primary? |
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| 13:27.20 | jelly | OpenTokix: debian-live is still in proof-of-concept stages more than a useful-tool |
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| 13:27.54 | asg | nathan-_: no, you still need to add the zone config on the secondary before it will sync. |
| 13:28.16 | jelly | mdadm merely Recommends: mail-transport-agent, so one could have it installed without a mta |
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| 13:29.56 | nathan-_ | asg: a little script magic could do it though? |
| 13:30.05 | asg | nathan-_: absolutely |
| 13:30.18 | OpenTokix | jelly: oki |
| 13:30.21 | nathan-_ | ok I'll add that to the list of things to do one day ... |
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| 13:31.11 | maher | i'm doing an etch->lenny upgrade - how do i get exim4-config to re run itself and fix the config scripts that it wanted to change first time round? |
| 13:31.28 | asg | maher: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 13:32.07 | maher | asg: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: exim4-config is broken or not fully installed |
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| 13:33.09 | asg | maher: see if 'apt-get -f install' fixes things. If not, you'll have to manually fix the postinst script to not fail. |
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| 13:34.00 | maher | asg: i think the exim maintainers seriously screwed up there upgrade on this one - as far as I can see if you have non trivial changes in /etc/exim4/conf.d there's no way to upgrade the package |
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| 13:34.17 | maher | without breaking it and then manually fiddling with it |
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| 13:35.02 | asg | maher: did you edit files in conf.d or add your own? The latter should be unaffected but the former will likely be problematic. |
| 13:35.28 | maher | asg: yes - i editted some of the files |
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| 13:35.38 | asg | maher: personally, I've never bothered with the whole conf.d/ silliness and just use a single exim4.conf file. |
| 13:36.19 | maher | asg: that's even worse - how on earth are you meant to upgrade that? |
| 13:36.47 | asg | maher: etch -> lenny is exim4 -> exim4. There should be no extra configuration required at all. |
| 13:37.24 | maher | asg: how do you get rid of the DEBCONF things in the single file without manual intervention? |
| 13:37.40 | chazco | Hi... how does Debian (any current version) compare to Ubuntu 9.04 for battery life? Any noticeable difference? |
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| 13:38.15 | asg | maher: I build my own config starting with the sample exim.conf in and editing accordingly. |
| 13:38.32 | maher | asg: how did you avoid the DEBCONFs? |
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| 13:39.42 | asg | maher: /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/examples/example.conf.gz |
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| 13:40.45 | asg | maher: that's the standard sample config that exim ships and is well documented both in the comments and the exim doc |
| 13:41.10 | maher | asg: so you never ran dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config at all then? |
| 13:41.28 | azeem | maher: why would you run it? |
| 13:41.38 | maher | azeem: to configure exim |
| 13:41.50 | azeem | was it not configured before? |
| 13:42.00 | azeem | you were mentioning an upgrade, not a new installation |
| 13:42.11 | maher | azeem: it was configured on etch - I don't really understand how I'm meant to upgrade it cleanly to lenny |
| 13:42.34 | azeem | maher: just upgrade and don't fix it if ain't broken |
| 13:42.42 | azeem | it's really unclear what steps you did |
| 13:42.59 | maher | azeem: its broken |
| 13:43.00 | azeem | and whether or not there was anything broken due to the upgrade |
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| 13:43.48 | maher | azeem: your profound insight on this matter is very enlightening |
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| 13:44.16 | azeem | maher: as you are not giving sufficient information, we have to speculate |
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| 13:45.24 | maher | azeem: i have modifications in conf.d - both extra files and modified files with DEBCONFs in them - somehow I need to work out how to remove the DEBCONFs while preserving my changes |
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| 13:45.56 | asg | maher: nope |
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| 13:46.23 | maher | asg: what am i meant to do then? |
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| 13:46.52 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, what is the format for a .rej file? i'd like to not include certain files in my patch |
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| 13:47.12 | azeem | mick_laptop: check the diff manpage then |
| 13:47.19 | mick_laptop | i read it |
| 13:47.22 | azeem | do not bother with .rej file sytax, that is irrelevant |
| 13:47.36 | HowRu | is using Squeeze (testing) packages under Lenny a good idea? |
| 13:47.43 | azeem | HowRu: no |
| 13:47.50 | mick_laptop | that is why i'm asking here - i read it and it doesn't say anything |
| 13:47.54 | azeem | HowRu: use a backport, or backport on your own |
| 13:47.56 | mick_laptop | just says "use .rej" |
| 13:47.58 | azeem | !backports.org |
| 13:47.58 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update . See also <bpo mirrors>. |
| 13:48.03 | asg | maher: well, you could hack the postinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info to not fail so the installation can complete. I am surprised though that the install failed since dpkg will not overwrite files that have local changes and give you the opportunity to merge them. |
| 13:48.06 | azeem | mick_laptop: eh? |
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| 13:48.20 | azeem | mick_laptop: search the diff manpage for "exclude" |
| 13:48.20 | mick_laptop | -r rejectfile |
| 13:48.29 | mick_laptop | i did, nothing came up |
| 13:48.50 | azeem | mick_laptop: maybe you missepelled it? |
| 13:48.53 | HowRu | azeem: thank you :) |
| 13:49.13 | azeem | mick_laptop: or maybe you are looking at the patch manpage instead? |
| 13:49.18 | mick_laptop | nope |
| 13:49.23 | mick_laptop | hmm |
| 13:49.36 | mick_laptop | yes, i was looking at the patch manpage |
| 13:49.39 | mick_laptop | doh! |
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| 13:50.27 | maher | asg: it did - but i said no because I wanted to read some doc first - but now i don't know how to run the thing again and actually make the changes |
| 13:50.57 | azeem | maher: why do you think you need to do any changes? |
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| 13:51.01 | asg | did you try apt-get -f install? |
| 13:51.06 | azeem | what is exactly is broken _right now_? |
| 13:51.44 | maher | azeem: because the upgrade wants to remove all the DEBCONF entries in the config - which is fine as long as i can preserve my local changes |
| 13:52.08 | azeem | you haven't said that yet |
| 13:53.06 | maher | azeem: exim is broken - i'm trying aptitude -f install - itsdoing stuff... |
| 13:53.34 | azeem | "is broken" is not an adequate error description |
| 13:53.41 | azeem | but anyway, let us know how it goes |
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| 13:54.41 | maher | azeem: A package failed to install. Trying to recover: |
| 13:54.42 | maher | Setting up exim4-config (4.69-9) ... |
| 13:54.42 | maher | DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF found in exim configuration. This |
| 13:55.07 | azeem | maher: pastebin the whole output |
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| 13:55.26 | azeem | !paste |
| 13:55.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 13:55.54 | HowRu | azeem: I have added the backports to the sources.list and its keyring, but I dont get any "newer" package, is there any way to manually update packages via a downloaded .deb file for lenny? |
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| 13:56.35 | joelow | hi, im trying to get lwp::simple installed for perl, anyone know if theres a debian package that contains it? i cant seemt o find one |
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| 13:57.01 | azeem | HowRu: then probably there is no official backport yet |
| 13:57.10 | azeem | HowRu: what package are you looking for? |
| 13:57.30 | HowRu | :D just looking to upgrade Gimp and Blender |
| 13:57.43 | HowRu | not libraries or such |
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| 13:57.50 | asg | joelow: libwww-perl iirc |
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| 13:58.07 | maher | http://paste.debian.net/36770/ |
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| 13:58.20 | joelow | ah thanks, yes worked a treat asg |
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| 13:58.22 | stew | HowRu: gimp is often troublesome to backport becuase it, obviously, always depends on the latest gtk libraries |
| 13:58.30 | Inazad | hi there, there is a way to mount a windows share like \\SERVEUR into /mnt/SERVEUR ?? |
| 13:59.15 | asg | Inazad: smbmount in the smbfs package |
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| 13:59.38 | azeem | maher: I see now |
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| 13:59.40 | Inazad | asg: ok I install smbfs and it will be ok ? |
| 13:59.45 | azeem | looks indeed somewhat nasty |
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| 13:59.47 | HowRu | stew: I have recently updated Ubuntu using getdeb.net's packages and libraries, would be nice to get similar ones for debian |
| 14:00.18 | maher | azeem: well the currenlt plan is going through conf.d and manually fixing removing the DEBCONFs... |
| 14:00.22 | stew | HowRu: you can try backporting yourself then, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 14:00.28 | asg | Inazad: install that and use a command like 'smbmount //server/share /mnt/foo -o username=user' |
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| 14:01.56 | Inazad | asg: mount error: could not resolve address for SERVEUR: No address associated with hostname |
| 14:01.59 | Inazad | No ip address specified and hostname not found |
| 14:02.29 | asg | Inazad: replace SERVEUR with the name of the server (if it is resolvable via DNS) or just use the IP address. |
| 14:02.34 | HowRu | stew: nice bot, but it seems too complicated for me... :( |
| 14:02.37 | maher | just out of interest how do i gt the values out fo debconf? |
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| 14:03.38 | HowRu | stew: is that a way to build my own .deb file from the sources? |
| 14:04.09 | stew | HowRu: yes, a way to take debs from a newer version of debian and compile them for your system |
| 14:04.28 | stew | HowRu: though note again, that you'd have to backport the gtk libraries which isn't alway easy |
| 14:04.32 | azeem | maher: maybe debconf-get-selections |
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| 14:05.12 | maher | azeem: nice - thanks |
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| 14:05.35 | HowRu | stew: Is there a newer stable version of debian than Lenny? |
| 14:05.46 | stew | HowRu: no, lenny is the latest |
| 14:06.14 | HowRu | Are Lenny packages not going to updated, until next major dist update? |
| 14:06.23 | azeem | HowRu: correct |
| 14:06.37 | azeem | however, some may/will get updated via backports.org |
| 14:07.00 | HowRu | azeem: Now I understand Debian's philosophy in that sense, top stability/compatibility |
| 14:07.34 | stew | HowRu: your other option would be to use testing instead. you'll have newer software, which will get frequently updated, but you'll encounter more bugs |
| 14:07.48 | stew | HowRu: and once you switch to testing, you can't easily switch back |
| 14:07.55 | Entmoot | debian roX.. period ! :) |
| 14:08.04 | HowRu | when is Squeeze spected to be released? |
| 14:08.06 | E-bola | Does debian automatically use swap partitions or do u need to enable /list them in some conf file? |
| 14:08.14 | stew | HowRu: there is not yet any expectation |
| 14:08.16 | jelly | !wwsr |
| 14:08.16 | dpkg | There is no estimate for the release of <squeeze> currently. Subscribe to <d-d-a> to get news on the subject. |
| 14:08.22 | azeem | HowRu: sometime late next year probably |
| 14:08.48 | asg | E-bola: they need to be listed in /etc/fstab |
| 14:09.03 | stew | speaking of which, do we have enumerated release goals for squeeze yet? |
| 14:09.31 | azeem | don't think so |
| 14:09.44 | E-bola | asg: thank you |
| 14:10.35 | asg | you're welcome |
| 14:10.35 | jelly | 1. don't redo the firmware kernel spectacle during the late freeze |
| 14:10.35 | E-bola | asg: nay particular dangers to installing lenny without swap and adding it later? |
| 14:10.35 | HowRu | stew: thanks for your help, now I know what im doing :D |
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| 14:10.36 | E-bola | any even |
| 14:10.36 | zophy | is there a way to scan an image for a water mark oe other digital signature ? |
| 14:10.49 | stew | abrotman: heh, if you look at the lenny release goals, one of them is "No unmet recommends relations inside main" "Advocate: Luk Claes" |
| 14:11.04 | stew | abrotman: which makes your bug at least important (even if it weren't a policy violation) |
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| 14:11.23 | zophy | E-bola, try and let us know how it works for you |
| 14:11.38 | zophy | E-bola, how much ram do you have ? |
| 14:11.46 | E-bola | zophy: 2gb |
| 14:11.54 | E-bola | so i wuldnt think it to be a problem |
| 14:12.10 | jelly | stew: no gpl software linked with openssl! |
| 14:12.13 | jelly | hides |
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| 14:12.40 | stew | makes a jelly exception to the gpl |
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| 14:13.04 | jintxo | E-bola, you could probably even skip the "adding it later" part, depending on your usage :-) I wouldn't recommend (you never know) but your computer will be useable without swap |
| 14:13.15 | E-bola | i know |
| 14:13.17 | jelly | stew: make libssl* Essential, and part of OS, problem solved ;-) |
| 14:13.19 | azeem | E-bola: I just think it's pointless unless you are very low on disk space |
| 14:13.25 | E-bola | i just realised a production server have been running without swap for years lol |
| 14:13.31 | E-bola | im building a new server now |
| 14:13.45 | jintxo | E-bola, on a server, add swap |
| 14:13.49 | jelly | E-bola: did you miss it much? |
| 14:14.21 | jintxo | today it works fine, when you're on vacation flying around the world, it stops working. this always happens. |
| 14:14.24 | maher | asg: azeem woohoo - the packages are finally in a consistent state |
| 14:14.25 | E-bola | jelly: nope not at all |
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| 14:15.14 | asg | maher: excellent |
| 14:15.59 | asg | E-bola: no danger except that if you exhaust ram, the OOM will kill processes. Otherwise, swap is not needed. |
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| 14:18.00 | subsume | I've got a python script in cron.weekly without the .py prefix. when I ./the_script I get 'command not found even though I have #!/usr/bin/env python at the top. could it be because its a symlink? |
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| 14:19.50 | maher | i think that was my most brutal ever upgrade of any package - just as well i'm doing this on the spare machine.... |
| 14:21.42 | Inazad | asg: thanks |
| 14:21.48 | maher | subsume: are you sure you want /usr/bin/env? |
| 14:21.54 | asg | subsume: is 'the_script' executable? |
| 14:22.00 | subsume | yes, its executable |
| 14:22.28 | subsume | maher: i guess i'm not sure, no |
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| 14:23.00 | maher | subsume: what's wrong with /usr/bin/python? |
| 14:23.12 | asg | subsume: is 'the_script' a symlink? if so, does the real script work when run with ./real_script |
| 14:23.27 | subsume | hmm... |
| 14:24.42 | subsume | changing it to /usr/bin/python2.5 does nothing |
| 14:24.58 | asg | subsume: also, does 'readlink <symlink>' point to an actual file? |
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| 14:25.07 | subsume | yes, because i can vim it |
| 14:25.45 | Gnu_Raiz | Vim it, what language we use nowadays. |
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| 14:26.01 | subsume | ok |
| 14:26.10 | subsume | I think I got it. Perms issue. who knew. =) |
| 14:26.12 | subsume | thanks guys. |
| 14:26.17 | Gnu_Raiz | I want to elvis it! hehe |
| 14:26.26 | asg | Gnu_Raiz: that's how we ended up with Xerox it |
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| 14:26.42 | subsume | uhhh or "google it" |
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| 14:26.49 | subsume | so nobody can really say they're innocent |
| 14:26.50 | Gnu_Raiz | I still use copy it. |
| 14:26.58 | Gnu_Raiz | run it by the copier. |
| 14:27.32 | asg | and in .uk, VIM is a brand of scouring powder, not an editor created by Bram |
| 14:27.49 | Gnu_Raiz | Thats even more funny. |
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| 14:28.42 | Gnu_Raiz | anyone use streamtuner anymore? |
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| 14:29.05 | Gnu_Raiz | I tried to use it, but xmms is not in stable anymore, even a bug report. |
| 14:29.48 | Gnu_Raiz | Following google they said change the streamtuner.conf, but that file does not exist. |
| 14:30.19 | Gnu_Raiz | I edited the .config file and changed the reference to xmms2, but still not working right. |
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| 14:30.40 | Gnu_Raiz | I have xmms2 installed, but it does not call up the player. |
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| 14:31.07 | Gnu_Raiz | Then found out that st is no longer in development. |
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| 14:31.48 | ed0n0n | I have created a new ext3 partition with gparted, and added a line in /etc/fstab. Have created a folder as toor to mount it, and used defaults options 0 0. It is working now, but when I try to use it after login as normal user, havent got write permissions on it. How can I change them and make normal users to have full acces to that partition? |
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| 14:32.26 | Gnu_Raiz | change it in fstab see man fstab. |
| 14:33.08 | Gnu_Raiz | you probably forgot to change something like user, or some such. |
| 14:33.09 | ed0n0n | Gnu_Raiz: nice info :) Will do, thank you |
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| 14:34.39 | IamSOG | nice |
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| 14:37.13 | mustu | i am not able to update my non-free repo since two weeks. |
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| 14:38.45 | ed0n0n | Gnu_Raiz: have set user option 0 2 and rebooting, fsck says its clean but still cant write on it :) |
| 14:39.03 | stew | mustu: show us the error |
| 14:39.04 | npe | Can anyone point me to the proper way to roll a custom aoe initrd during an ubuntu-alternate install? I've already gotten my coraid mounted and written the files and now I want to get my pxe environment setup(I've already gotten everything but the initrd done). |
| 14:39.10 | stew | mustu: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 14:39.28 | stew | npe: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 14:39.42 | npe | stew: sorry, the #ubuntu folks don't seem to know. |
| 14:39.51 | azeem | npe: then ask their forum |
| 14:39.52 | stew | npe: sorry. try a mailing list then |
| 14:40.04 | npe | stew: I was hoping the debian folks might understand the installer a bit better. |
| 14:40.10 | npe | azeem: fair enough. |
| 14:40.21 | ed0n0n | changing mount points permissions has solved it, but dont know if its going to be loaded when rebooting if grorup/owner is not root... |
| 14:40.29 | ed0n0n | Mp3 |
| 14:40.48 | npe | what's the proper way to create your own initrd in debian? |
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| 14:41.11 | mustu | stew: It's what Synaptic return while reloading repo cache http://paste.debian.net/36775/ |
| 14:41.41 | stew | npe: its created for you when you install the kernel |
| 14:41.42 | mustu | stew: I've also tried changinf Software Source to different servers. |
| 14:42.17 | npe | stew: right, but if you want to do a custom initrd(for pxe etc...) which set of tools do you use? |
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| 14:42.32 | npe | initrd-tools are deprecated right? |
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| 14:42.46 | ed0n0n | stew: working fine now, thank you for man fstab :D |
| 14:43.25 | devel0 | hi guys , im trying to netboot debian over a wan link , tftp is being naughty though, after getting vmlinuz it simply fails. I tried following good advice from Peter Avin's site and disabled the blocksize option and disabled mtu ath discovery , but no luck, any ideas? |
| 14:43.38 | stew | mustu: the lenny/updates repository should be ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security not ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 14:44.58 | stew | npe: its only for kernels < 2.6.13 |
| 14:44.59 | devel0 | :( |
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| 14:45.22 | npe | stew: right, so what tools *should* you use these days? |
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| 14:45.44 | mustu | stew: where i can found the rpo file to edit? |
| 14:45.50 | npe | I've found a ton of documentation, the problem is figuring out which set works with modern systems. |
| 14:45.58 | mustu | repo* |
| 14:46.11 | stew | mustu: /etc/apt/sources.list (man sources.list) |
| 14:46.17 | asg | npe: initramfs-tools is used these days |
| 14:46.29 | stew | npe: but you should ask #ubuntu, not us |
| 14:46.36 | npe | asg: thanks a ton, that's what I've been looking for. |
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| 14:47.07 | npe | stew: I already did, sorry. |
| 14:47.44 | npe | the debian folks are more knowledgeable. although you guys might get a kick out of my system. |
| 14:47.57 | npe | I'm pxe booting linux off a plan9 machine with the root on a coraid. |
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| 14:48.36 | stew | npe: if the debian folks are more knowledgeable, perhaps you shold be running debian |
| 14:48.39 | bododo | hi folks! :) |
| 14:48.48 | devel0 | isnt there anyone with sufficient network knowledge to lemme know bout pxe'in deb off a wan link ? |
| 14:48.56 | devel0 | tftp is being a bitch |
| 14:48.58 | npe | stew: I would be if it was my choice. |
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| 14:50.39 | npe | stew: but what do you guys have against the ubongo folks? |
| 14:50.47 | stew | npe: nothing |
| 14:50.52 | bododo | I want to install the minimal possible of a debian lenny (my 1st debian) do I unselect everything during the install? |
| 14:50.53 | stew | npe: its just off-topic for this channel |
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| 14:51.04 | bododo | even the last option? (base system)? |
| 14:51.11 | npe | devel0: I'm pxe booting linux right now, although my system will differ *massively* from yours. |
| 14:51.26 | azeem | bododo: if you so desire |
| 14:51.28 | npe | stew: fair enough. |
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| 14:51.44 | devel0 | npe, over a wan link ? |
| 14:51.58 | npe | devel0: nope, just on our local lan. |
| 14:52.03 | bododo | azeem: but if I unselect the last what will I miss? (or have to install later?) and will it download anything if I select it? |
| 14:52.17 | devel0 | on the lan it works perfectly , over a wan , which happens to be 391ms away from me , it fails miserably |
| 14:52.29 | azeem | bododo: are you installing from the netinst? |
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| 14:52.32 | devel0 | and its not like pxe has some wonderful elaborate and sufficient debig messages |
| 14:52.37 | bododo | azeem: yes |
| 14:52.45 | azeem | bododo: then it would download something AFAIK, yes |
| 14:52.55 | azeem | bododo: basically, all the package with Priority: standard |
| 14:53.08 | bododo | ah! but what if I don't check it, will the system rum anyway? |
| 14:53.11 | troubled | devel0: are you loosing udp packets perhaps? |
| 14:53.12 | npe | devel0: is it dying on tftp? |
| 14:53.31 | azeem | bododo: yes |
| 14:53.38 | bododo | I want something that works first and then go and install vim, xorg, xfce |
| 14:53.45 | azeem | bododo: though of course it will miss major functionality expected from a Unix system |
| 14:53.59 | bododo | azeem: an example, please? :) |
| 14:54.01 | troubled | bododo: just debootstrap a dir and use that? |
| 14:54.09 | troubled | thats about as minimal as yer gonna get |
| 14:54.17 | azeem | troubled: let's make it not more difficult |
| 14:54.25 | bododo | troubled: will I have bash and apt-get? |
| 14:54.26 | devel0 | troubled, I wireshark'd the fuqr and it looks like its all there, I immediately assumed that it was the MTU thus the difference over the WAN link |
| 14:54.28 | troubled | azeem: he wanted minimal :) |
| 14:54.29 | devel0 | but nothing |
| 14:54.30 | azeem | if he wants to install xfce later on, debootstrap iso not a good idea |
| 14:54.43 | azeem | troubled: people *always* think they need the smallest possible |
| 14:54.52 | azeem | it doesn't mean it is actually the best for them |
| 14:54.55 | bododo | azeem: I do :) |
| 14:55.18 | bododo | and no, it is for me. currently I'm on tty1 with screen and irssi |
| 14:55.20 | troubled | devel0: possibly. wan mtu less than 1500 i take it then? maybe try clamp mtu in the firewall? |
| 14:55.23 | azeem | or for us, for that matter |
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| 14:56.11 | bododo | my problem is that I never trust my Internet connexion, so I want a bare functional something and then add stuff |
| 14:56.41 | azeem | bododo: you can retry the step if download fails |
| 14:56.47 | azeem | but whatever, do as you please |
| 14:56.58 | devel0 | troubled, do you reckon shifting the MTu downward will take care of the problem? |
| 14:57.03 | troubled | bododo: just curious, you want a bare install because your internet is flakey or something? |
| 14:57.48 | bododo | :) troubled that's one reason, the second is that I want a minimal system. I was on Fedora, then ubuntu, before, I was on mdk, and before that redhat5 |
| 14:57.55 | troubled | devel0: well, dont think you can on a pxe boot since its not running linux yet |
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| 14:58.12 | bododo | I'm somehow tired of bloated systems. I want to see and understand everything (almost) in my machine |
| 14:58.14 | troubled | but the firewall might be able to, but that might be whats breaking your tftp/udp |
| 14:58.31 | devel0 | troubled, If i drop the MTU on the server side that should make the client comply yet / |
| 14:58.33 | devel0 | yes? |
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| 14:58.40 | azeem | bododo: if you consider "file", "bc", "perl" or "reportbug" as bloat, ok |
| 14:58.52 | troubled | devel0: i do know though that on my dsl, i have to clamp mtu to even get half the sites to work since the mtu is lower on pppoe |
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| 14:59.11 | troubled | its done at the firewall/router here |
| 14:59.15 | bododo | azeem: I can live with the gnu core tools, vim and python |
| 14:59.20 | devel0 | ill do a 1412 and hope for the best |
| 14:59.33 | azeem | bododo: then do that |
| 14:59.35 | azeem | please stop argueing |
| 14:59.37 | bododo | are the ones you cited part of the "base system"? |
| 14:59.41 | azeem | yes |
| 14:59.48 | bododo | so, sorry, never meant that |
| 14:59.50 | bododo | really sorry |
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| 15:00.11 | bododo | that's my first attempt to a debian, and wanted to gather as much info as possible |
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| 15:00.15 | longcat | Is there a channel just for unstable debian? |
| 15:00.16 | bododo | thanks a lot for your help :) |
| 15:00.17 | azeem | bododo: it's really pointless to argue about base or no base if you have more than 20 GB diskspace |
| 15:00.20 | longcat | to talk about broken packages and stuff |
| 15:00.35 | bododo | azeem: the problem is my Internet connexion |
| 15:00.37 | azeem | longcat: "talk about"? |
| 15:00.39 | bododo | how big is "base"? |
| 15:00.42 | azeem | bododo: you know, apt-get can retry |
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| 15:01.00 | azeem | bododo: I don't know, I guess it's about 100MB on top of the minimal system |
| 15:01.08 | azeem | maybe less, no idea |
| 15:01.13 | bododo | ah! thanks |
| 15:01.32 | bododo | sometimes my Internet is slower as 500b/s |
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| 15:01.46 | azeem | bododo: right |
| 15:01.59 | azeem | bododo: but I don't see the point with base when you want to install xorg+xfce anyway |
| 15:02.05 | azeem | that's like 10x base or so |
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| 15:02.17 | bododo | yeah sure |
| 15:02.35 | bododo | just wanted to know if "base" is that required to carry on later |
| 15:02.39 | troubled | bododo: do you have any friends with internet? |
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| 15:02.46 | devel0 | ok everyone pray with me now , mtu is at 1412 |
| 15:02.53 | azeem | bododo: if it was required, you wouldn't be able to deselect it, don't you think? |
| 15:02.56 | devel0 | prays to the ARPA god |
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| 15:02.58 | troubled | waits for a blackhole to appear over devel0 |
| 15:04.00 | bododo | troubled: here? nope |
| 15:04.00 | bododo | at least no better Internet than mine |
| 15:04.00 | bododo | again thanks a lot folks :) never meant to argue or troll or anything. I'm a n00b, that's it :) |
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| 15:05.41 | devel0 | ok the length looks more reasonable now , it dropped down to 512 , which is the tftp def on the block size data defined datagrams |
| 15:05.58 | devel0 | returns to praying mode until vmlinuz is done downloading |
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| 15:07.14 | bazik|home | hrm... i dont remember how to install a package, exluding a certain depend. for example installing wine without cups. dpkg: help me! |
| 15:07.27 | troubled | devel0: 512 mtu over the wan? |
| 15:07.41 | devel0 | troubled, not the mtu , the data size in the tftp datagram :P |
| 15:07.43 | azeem | bazik|home: you can't |
| 15:07.55 | devel0 | 512 MTU would be a disaster :P dial up is 536 itself :P |
| 15:08.07 | troubled | devel0: hmm, interesting to know. although if thats the case, i dont see how mtu would have even been a factor |
| 15:08.26 | devel0 | do note i did turn of mtu path discovery |
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| 15:08.46 | bazik|home | azeem: sure? hmm i was pretty sure there was a way to do this. |
| 15:08.54 | anoHito | hello guys |
| 15:08.56 | devel0 | gonna get me one of those fancy operating systems that come on macintoshs |
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| 15:09.15 | anoHito | i need to know , how can i check when the server did a reboot or there was a server shutdown ? |
| 15:09.17 | devel0 | not sure what theyre called , I know they name them after animals |
| 15:09.26 | maher | anoHito: uptime? |
| 15:09.30 | asg | anoHito: last reboot |
| 15:09.41 | anoHito | i mean, from top i know there was a shutdown or a reboot,but i wanna make sure. |
| 15:09.53 | devel0 | $ last |
| 15:10.00 | anoHito | asg, how do i check that ? |
| 15:10.07 | asg | anoHito: type 'last reboot' |
| 15:10.48 | abrotman | stew: cute .. did you tell luk ? |
| 15:10.57 | devel0 | i remember once when I had a honeypot machine hacked , the guy talked to me over mesg , and he was like "I need this machine to run bots on EfNet, I hope you dont mind" |
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| 15:11.15 | anoHito | asg, reboot system boot 2.6.24-etchnhalf Fri May 22 17:05 - 23:10 (06:05) |
| 15:11.20 | stew | abrotman: nope |
| 15:11.26 | anoHito | asg, this line is on the top. |
| 15:11.32 | asg | anoHito: yes |
| 15:11.51 | anoHito | asg, the 23:10 means the current time ? |
| 15:12.10 | anoHito | asg, I see,but.. |
| 15:12.14 | asg | yes |
| 15:12.23 | anoHito | asg, what if there was a completely shut down on the server ,how do i check ? |
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| 15:12.52 | anoHito | asg, i am not sure if they have just done a reboot for my server or they have shut down my server for some time. |
| 15:12.56 | asg | anoHito: then that shutdown occured at 17:05 and the system has been up for 6 hours and 5 minutes. |
| 15:13.19 | jpinx-eeepc | is there a channel that deal with partitioning? |
| 15:13.25 | lindenle | Hi Guys, while working on switching my ipod to vfat I accidentally erased the first 10MB of my main disk. Is there anyway to fix this without a complete reinstall |
| 15:13.35 | lindenle | is stupid |
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| 15:14.01 | lindenle | P.S. it is just the /boot partition |
| 15:14.18 | lindenle | but I would guess that it completely wiped the MBR |
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| 15:14.28 | anoHito | asg, i dont get it how come there are 2 current time ? |
| 15:14.36 | anoHito | reboot system boot 2.6.24-etchnhalf Fri May 22 17:05 - 23:13 (06:08) |
| 15:14.42 | anoHito | reboot system boot 2.6.24-etchnhalf Thu May 21 03:52 - 23:13 (1+19:21) |
| 15:15.47 | devel0 | it failed miserably |
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| 15:16.21 | anoHito | devel0, ? |
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| 15:17.26 | asg | anoHito: another way to verify the times is to look in /var/log/syslog* to see the times the kernel booted and when. |
| 15:17.56 | anoHito | asg, Okay, Thank you. |
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| 15:19.05 | Entmoot | $ last shutdown ? |
| 15:19.08 | troubled | devel0: shouldn't your pxe/tftp boot server be on the local lan anyways? |
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| 15:19.31 | twisted` | hey :) what package in debian do I need to get the apache module mod_userdir? |
| 15:19.35 | troubled | or are you just using an expensive wan link just because you want to see how hard you can make this project? :) |
| 15:19.38 | twisted` | I can't find it in apt through search :( |
| 15:20.05 | anoHito | asg, the syslog is big |
| 15:20.07 | troubled | not that theres nothing wrong with experimenting to figure out exactly what the problem is or anything |
| 15:20.10 | twisted` | http://kenno.wordpress.com/2008/04/22/enable-mod_userdir-for-apache2-on-debian/ < here it says I just need to enable it but then I get it's not available |
| 15:20.15 | devel0 | troubled, utility computing :) |
| 15:20.21 | troubled | :) |
| 15:20.24 | anoHito | i mean, if i can grep some keyword to capture the reboot or shutdown info ? |
| 15:20.33 | ajavid | hello good morning |
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| 15:22.29 | twisted` | ah, they renamed it! |
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| 15:23.31 | asg | anoHito: you can use 'less' to view it and '/' to search for things |
| 15:23.52 | troubled | twisted`: i was just gonna suggest you try #apache, but they renamed that too to #httpd :) |
| 15:24.17 | agaran | anoHito: last |grep -1 reboot ? |
| 15:24.46 | agaran | anoHito: if noninteractive search |
| 15:25.09 | devel0 | troubled, im trying to do stuff in the most unconventional of ways , simply because tftp was never ever designed to do wan links |
| 15:25.25 | devel0 | though I will have a developer this month develop a hack for pxelinux so I can use something else other than tftp |
| 15:26.18 | troubled | devel0: he's gonna build tcp stack into the limited prom of a nic to handle ftp? |
| 15:26.47 | anoHito | asg, agaran ,Thanks,checking. |
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| 15:26.54 | devel0 | troubled, I'm not quite sure what hes doing , i know it uses a lot of the stuff from that linux bios project |
| 15:27.16 | troubled | ah, well I could see that working |
| 15:27.28 | troubled | isnt it called coreboot now? |
| 15:27.40 | devel0 | ye something like that , he sent me a google tech talk on it recently |
| 15:27.52 | devel0 | apparently its a big thing , didnt know that tho |
| 15:28.10 | devel0 | I forced block size down to 512 , i hope the client doesnt moan about this this time |
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| 15:28.48 | troubled | looks impressive and would solve your problem, but i just dont know how practical it would be to test coreboot on a mobo unless you plan on getting new mobo's that are compatible |
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| 15:29.23 | devel0 | dunno troub, thats his part , im not a hardware guy , wanna stay in the upper layers |
| 15:29.29 | troubled | most people would probably have existing mobo's, and i would bet money that 90% of the systems out there wont take coreboot without custom deving |
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| 15:30.11 | troubled | would be worth trying if you could get your hands on an eeprom programmer though maybe? |
| 15:30.23 | devel0 | Ive got a lot of equipment in the next room |
| 15:30.25 | npe | I think I got it, thanks guys. |
| 15:30.31 | devel0 | Won't give anyone my GPS coordinates tho :P |
| 15:30.35 | npe | take it easy. |
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| 15:30.56 | troubled | devel0: :) you got a way to backup/restore a flash bios though if coreboot bricks the mobo? |
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| 15:31.11 | troubled | kinda a minimum requirement if you are going to play with coreboot imho |
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| 15:31.39 | troubled | the coreboot guys have automated test/restore systems, but I figure thats kinda rare to have handy |
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| 15:32.53 | Gnu_Raiz | What is the smallest size of a root partition? |
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| 15:33.24 | Gnu_Raiz | I ran into a problem the other day and during a debian install ran out of room on my root partition. |
| 15:33.32 | troubled | Gnu_Raiz: depends on way too many variables to define really |
| 15:33.40 | nkuttler | Gnu_Raiz: the install guide should cover that |
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| 15:33.49 | Gnu_Raiz | x11, laptop, kde |
| 15:34.09 | nkuttler | Gnu_Raiz: how big is your hd? |
| 15:34.14 | Gnu_Raiz | luckly I cleaned the cache and it then worked fine. |
| 15:34.17 | troubled | are you going to have /usr, /var, /home, /etc and everything on seperate mount points? |
| 15:34.39 | Gnu_Raiz | it was a 25 gig partition, with a root/usr/tmp/home as partitons |
| 15:34.47 | troubled | only need 1mb or two probably if rootfs isnt going to have anything on it |
| 15:34.55 | Gnu_Raiz | I should of made a var instead of tmp. |
| 15:35.36 | Gnu_Raiz | the home and user are like 8G, 12G rest was split to root, and tmp root had like 870 MB |
| 15:35.42 | troubled | i would give rootfs at least a few hundred mb if you can afford to and make everything else mount points |
| 15:36.20 | Gnu_Raiz | no doing a df -h tells me I have 40% left so its fine. but without the cache clean I ran out of space. |
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| 15:36.37 | troubled | the dpkg cache? it lives under /var |
| 15:36.49 | Gnu_Raiz | Yeah and it was under root, |
| 15:37.00 | Gnu_Raiz | it was a netinstall. |
| 15:37.06 | troubled | probably good idea to put /var on its own partition |
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| 15:38.10 | troubled | if you have a big enough rootfs right now to hold all the files on the system, you can easily migrate to lvm and dynamically allocate space as you need while in single user mode though |
| 15:38.21 | Gnu_Raiz | Yeah I found that out later, I was using jfs so not as forgiving as ext3, or a lvm. |
| 15:38.33 | troubled | stick with ext3 and lvm imho |
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| 15:38.55 | Gnu_Raiz | It was on a dual boot thinkpad with XP. |
| 15:39.00 | troubled | spits on fancy unproven, not linux native, filesystems |
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| 15:39.20 | tingle | how can i on the cli see what network interfaces this machine has? |
| 15:39.28 | asg | tingle: ifconfig -a |
| 15:39.29 | troubled | tingle: ifconfig -a |
| 15:39.31 | Gnu_Raiz | It also a I386. |
| 15:39.46 | troubled | asg! |
| 15:39.46 | asg | troubled! |
| 15:39.49 | troubled | XD |
| 15:39.53 | Gnu_Raiz | still need to setup wpa on the machine. |
| 15:40.29 | tingle | ty |
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| 15:40.42 | Gnu_Raiz | for some reason wpa_supplicant does not like hidden ssids, and my nic doesn't play nice for some reason. |
| 15:41.22 | anoHito | asg, so if there was a shut down , we can not find out ? |
| 15:41.32 | ajavid | if you don't broadcast an essid you can still connect to it |
| 15:41.34 | ajavid | its still there |
| 15:41.38 | ajavid | it just doesn't broadcast right? |
| 15:41.46 | anoHito | i mean,there was a time frame 'blank' during the 4:21pm to 5:05pm |
| 15:41.48 | ajavid | isn't that what a hidden essid is? |
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| 15:41.54 | Gnu_Raiz | Yeah but a bug in wpa_supplicant makes it difficult. |
| 15:41.57 | anoHito | during that time, no any logs. |
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| 15:42.11 | anoHito | from 5:05pm there was a reboot. |
| 15:42.22 | Gnu_Raiz | you need some more mojo, to get it right, it's ok as opensolaris doesn't do it right either. |
| 15:42.41 | anoHito | i am very suspect there was a shut down ,and it lasted 40 minutes. |
| 15:42.51 | asg | anoHito: so, it's safe to say that it was powered off at 4:21 and powered on a 5:05 |
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| 15:43.05 | Gnu_Raiz | I was going to go with Opensolaris and Debian, but had to put windows on it to make sure it wasn't a hardware problem. |
| 15:43.16 | troubled | anoHito: one reaaaaaly long fsck? |
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| 15:43.41 | anoHito | asg, but the datacentre told me there were 2 hours or so that my server was disconnected from the internet so that they rebooted my server at 5:05 |
| 15:44.09 | anoHito | asg, but the syslog told the differences,plus, i am talking to my clients, they also said they COULD access to server before 4:21PM |
| 15:44.35 | Inazad | there is a way to lock the screen in the bash ? like in gnome we use Lock Screen in the menu ?? |
| 15:44.48 | anoHito | they datacentre has just screwed my HDD and i have just installed a new HDD, i CAN NOT tolorate any reboot or shutdown without my permission from them. |
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| 15:45.01 | {g} | Hey People! Is it possible to get a "standalone" version of rdiff-backup that works without installing it? I would like to use it on a server where I cannot install things with apt-get. |
| 15:45.03 | anoHito | troubled, how come ? |
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| 15:45.09 | Gnu_Raiz | just switch to another console. |
| 15:45.10 | devel0 | anoHito, then you should folow my lead and get a machine from theplanet :) |
| 15:45.23 | anoHito | troubled, before that time, the server has been running ,no such thing needed to be fscked. |
| 15:45.39 | anoHito | troubled, in syslog ,no such fsck thing neither. |
| 15:45.43 | Gnu_Raiz | most people don't know how to switch so you might be safe for a while. |
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| 15:45.57 | E-bola | Can you get older kernels for lenny? Im looking for 2.6-19 or older |
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| 15:46.14 | Gnu_Raiz | by the way its crtl/alt f1-f6 |
| 15:46.15 | troubled | anoHito: sorry, didnt realise it was them shutting it down when i said that. but linux distros tend to fsck after certain number of reboots and on unclean shutdowns |
| 15:46.24 | asg | E-bola: etch, which is still supported comes with a 2.6.18 kernel. |
| 15:46.24 | anoHito | devel0, i wonder if they were checking stuff in my server,that is why there were 40 mintues 'EMPTY' in syslog . |
| 15:46.42 | devel0 | anoHito, who the hell is you provider? |
| 15:46.44 | E-bola | asg: i know, but i'd just prefer running lenny. |
| 15:46.47 | Hydroxide | E-bola: no officially supported packages from Debian, no. feel free to compile your own, but it's possible you'll encounter incompatibilities betwen 2.6.19 and the software in lenny. |
| 15:46.48 | Malle | hello, ive installed debian but at startup it gives no errors and then it says "starting root filesystem" then i get "attached scsi removable disc" .. then nothing happends |
| 15:46.50 | anoHito | My server is in a chinese datacentre. by the way. |
| 15:46.53 | E-bola | asg: can u install the etch kernel without running into alot of problems? |
| 15:46.56 | troubled | anoHito: so if you had say 100 terebytes on a server and it decided to fsck after say 30 reboots or whatever, you might be offline for a few days :) |
| 15:46.57 | Malle | do i need to type a command to get to login? |
| 15:47.05 | asg | E-bola: you could try running lenny userland with an etch kernel but YMMV |
| 15:47.06 | Inazad | there is a way to lock the screen with a command ? like starting the screensaver in fluxbox ? |
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| 15:47.14 | anoHito | devel0, chinese datacentre ! and they have just screwd my HDD few days ago. |
| 15:47.15 | devel0 | dude I wouldnt stick my data in a country that doesnt have free will on the net :) |
| 15:47.18 | azeem | Malle: no, it means the boot process fails |
| 15:47.24 | E-bola | asg: hmm right i didnt think of that, i actualy know somebody who does that |
| 15:47.24 | asg | Inazad: lock cli or X? |
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| 15:47.32 | devel0 | no racism or anything , I strictly prefer american and uk data centers |
| 15:47.35 | E-bola | stupid microsoft and closed source drivers :/ |
| 15:47.43 | Gnu_Raiz | I think he is in a shell within X. |
| 15:47.56 | Inazad | asg: like in gnome, we choose LockScreen, and the screensaver start and we have to enter a password to unlock it |
| 15:47.56 | hark | Inazad: vlock |
| 15:48.01 | Hydroxide | E-bola: I'd suggest taking a look at the lenny release notes - they may have comments on compatibility between bits of etch and bits of lenny, since there is necessarily a transition period when you're using some of each as part of an upgrade proecss |
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| 15:48.09 | anoHito | troubled, why fsck ? it is a fresh install debian , with proper reboot methon , there is no need to do fsck . right ? |
| 15:48.10 | Hydroxide | E-bola: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes |
| 15:48.11 | asg | Inazad: see what hark said |
| 15:48.26 | troubled | E-bola: so I should blame microsoft for nvidia and ati closed source drivers?! I knew it was the evil MS all this time! |
| 15:48.32 | devel0 | anoHito, You need to get a machine from rackspace or theplanet , they are the masters of server hosting IMHO |
| 15:48.32 | Inazad | asg: yeah but I'm on fluxbox and I want to lockscreen |
| 15:48.43 | E-bola | troubled: Im bitchingh about MICROSOFT closed source drivers |
| 15:48.49 | E-bola | Hyper-V ones to bespecific |
| 15:48.51 | amphi | Inazad: xtrlock is useful, I find |
| 15:48.58 | anoHito | troubled, even it was really doing fsck tasks, how come during the 40 minutes there were EMPTY in syslog ? NO any records at all. |
| 15:49.07 | Inazad | amphi: ok its complicated to use or not ? |
| 15:49.09 | Gnu_Raiz | because your file system was not unmounted and might be corrupted even on a fresh install. |
| 15:49.16 | amphi | Inazad: not in the least ;) |
| 15:49.18 | anoHito | troubled, normally, in almost every few minutes there are logs being sent to syslog from the daemons. |
| 15:49.21 | troubled | anoHito: depends on the install method. ive seen some automated installs that had "time in the future" issues and thus caused a fsck on initial boot after install |
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| 15:49.27 | Gnu_Raiz | especially on a server which has a lot of IO. |
| 15:49.30 | Inazad | amphi: how to use it ? just type xtrlock ? |
| 15:49.37 | amphi | Inazad: just run it; you can't do anything until you enter your password |
| 15:49.43 | amphi | Inazad: right |
| 15:49.46 | troubled | E-bola: and im pointing out that its not just microsoft that has them :) |
| 15:49.56 | Inazad | amphi: ok cool ;-) |
| 15:50.08 | anoHito | troubled, hmm |
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| 15:50.35 | E-bola | troubled: are u bound to specific kernel versions with ati and nvidia as well? |
| 15:50.46 | troubled | anoHito: so they took your machine down hard/improperly to move the data to a new drive? |
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| 15:51.04 | Gnu_Raiz | you might want to check the wiki, or how to install ati,or nvidia drivers. |
| 15:51.44 | troubled | E-bola: why are you bringing linux into a windows closed source driver comment? |
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| 15:51.58 | anoHito | troubled, hmm |
| 15:52.09 | troubled | ah nm, change the topic and bring up something irrelevant tactic, gotcha.... |
| 15:52.10 | E-bola | troubled: what does this have to do with windows? |
| 15:52.29 | devel0 | i bet you it was the chinese police to check for questionable data on your machine |
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| 15:52.33 | devel0 | Ive seen that happen to a friend |
| 15:52.39 | devel0 | associate actually |
| 15:52.50 | devel0 | questionable data of course can also mean the console version of tetris |
| 15:53.00 | devel0 | or pictures from last years summer vacation |
| 15:53.02 | Gnu_Raiz | Speaking of off topic, I just did a windows 7 install for a friend and guess what on the inital reboot, I got a fresh bsod. |
| 15:53.13 | devel0 | Gnu_Raiz, thats a feature |
| 15:53.38 | Gnu_Raiz | I kid you not, even had add a new user as it did not even have a useable desktop. |
| 15:53.44 | anoHito | troubled, if you check in syslog, from a time frame range , from 4:21pm to 5:05PM, there were NO LOGS at all,all empty, before 4:21PM and after 5:05PM the logs were there, plus from 5:05 there was an obvious reboot/power on operation, if it was you , what would you think what had happened during those 40 minutes ? |
| 15:53.53 | E-bola | windows 7 looks like the best os i've seen so far for desktops |
| 15:54.00 | E-bola | works great,a nd uber fast on my laptop |
| 15:54.09 | troubled | anoHito: how big are the filesystems? few TB? |
| 15:54.12 | devel0 | anoHito, I wasn't kidding when I said they might have looked for questionable data |
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| 15:54.22 | Gnu_Raiz | The only reason I had to go for Windows 7, was she lost her recovery disks and did not want to buy another version. |
| 15:54.31 | troubled | anoHito: if so, i would assume a long fsck |
| 15:54.35 | devel0 | Gnu_Raiz, that doesn't make you less of a sinner |
| 15:54.38 | anoHito | troubled, you cannot say there were some fsck tasks ,because it was IMPOSSIBLE to have NONE Logs during 40 minutes in a working product server at all,am i right ? unless at time time the server was shut down. |
| 15:54.40 | Gnu_Raiz | The disks she had was for windows me. |
| 15:54.57 | anoHito | troubled, 500GB. and the server has been run for 2 days or so. |
| 15:55.07 | Gnu_Raiz | she is old, I offered a linux install, but she is a very non computer savy person. |
| 15:55.17 | troubled | anoHito: did they tell you why it might have been offline? |
| 15:55.25 | anoHito | devel0, but how could they log in ? i dont tell them root info. |
| 15:55.55 | Gnu_Raiz | In fact this was after she took it to one of the box stores, and wanted to double check if she needed a new comp. |
| 15:55.55 | devel0 | anoHito, its not that hard you know , when you have physical access to the machine its only an extra boot parameter |
| 15:56.00 | devel0 | init=/bin/sh |
| 15:56.02 | devel0 | voila |
| 15:56.05 | troubled | anoHito: also, besides the fun were having playing sherlock homes with your hosted server, if there something debian specific you are trying to find out about your setup? |
| 15:56.07 | anoHito | troubled, fsck usually run at boot tiem right ? |
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| 15:56.28 | anoHito | troubled, so, before that time, the server has been running for 2 days, how come it will do a fsck ? |
| 15:56.29 | troubled | anoHito: yes, before the system goes "live" |
| 15:56.30 | Gnu_Raiz | I booted off a live CD, and cracked the case, and found nothing wrong but windoes. |
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| 15:56.42 | troubled | anoHito: it would have had to have shutdown |
| 15:56.58 | devel0 | I wonder if the Turkish girl from the Eurovision song contest would be impressed and go out with me if i told her I had *nix skills |
| 15:57.04 | troubled | do your logs show a shutdown event even? |
| 15:57.12 | azeem | devel0: please keep it on topic |
| 15:57.23 | devel0 | azeem, *nod* |
| 15:57.28 | anoHito | troubled, it would have had to have shutdown ? i cannt understand. |
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| 15:57.51 | anoHito | troubled, you used 3 'have' ,which confused me. |
| 15:57.55 | anoHito | faints |
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| 15:58.26 | devel0 | anoHito, Take a five minute break, then contact the police and your lawyer |
| 15:58.41 | Gnu_Raiz | no someone just has to unmount the drives to run the fsck, or at least should unmount them. |
| 15:58.43 | azeem | devel0: please keep it on topic |
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| 15:58.58 | devel0 | azeem, Do I look like im joking ? He's been violated |
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| 15:59.15 | Malle | azeem why would it fail i just installed it guided |
| 15:59.43 | Gnu_Raiz | I bet if you read his contract they have a clause that says they can do that. |
| 15:59.49 | azeem | Malle: maybe your hardware is not supported |
| 15:59.54 | troubled | anoHito: was the system shutdown or just without internet access? |
| 16:00.07 | Malle | what do you mean, i installed the linux amd64core |
| 16:00.16 | Malle | there must be a place to find out why its not working |
| 16:00.23 | devel0 | Gnu_Raiz, LOL |
| 16:00.46 | devel0 | anoHito, did THEY tell you what exactly they did with the machine ? |
| 16:00.47 | anoHito | troubled, my clients told me this, before 4:21PM, they DID can access to the server ,but from the on they could not, untill 5:05 or so. |
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| 16:00.56 | troubled | anoHito: was the system shutdown or just without internet access? |
| 16:00.56 | Gnu_Raiz | why else do you think that everone uses the US as a server farm. |
| 16:01.09 | anoHito | troubled, so what my clients told me , all are matchined what the syslog tells. |
| 16:01.19 | troubled | anoHito: was the system shutdown or just without internet access? |
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| 16:01.41 | E-bola | Where is the most up2date information on how to compile ur own kernel in debian? |
| 16:01.45 | Gnu_Raiz | it turns out that like something like 70% of all terriost sites are using the US as a site vendor. |
| 16:01.49 | JordiGH | !ur |
| 16:01.49 | Malle | azeem what should i do |
| 16:01.50 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 16:01.54 | anoHito | troubled, in syslog, before 4:21PM there are logs and normal of them , then a 40minutes EMPTY of logs,nothing at all , then at 5:05 PM there was a reboot/or power on . |
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| 16:02.19 | azeem | Malle: maybe give some information, like what version of Debian you did install, and what your hardware is like |
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| 16:02.32 | Malle | my hardware is a |
| 16:02.45 | Malle | or well in installed debian 5.0 |
| 16:02.48 | anoHito | troubled, but the datacentre told me ,said they found that my server was disconnected to the internet about 2 hour ,so they finally had to reboot my server to help me . |
| 16:03.06 | devel0 | Gnu_Raiz, define terrorist site? |
| 16:03.10 | troubled | anoHito: so maybe they over estimated the time? |
| 16:03.22 | anoHito | troubled, i asked them how they knew that, told me they have monitor system in the room. |
| 16:03.42 | devel0 | anoHito, are you actually buying this stuff? |
| 16:03.44 | Malle | my computer is a amd64 , 2gb memory with a motherboard wich i cannot rmember the name of and then radeon x800 as gpu |
| 16:03.51 | Gnu_Raiz | Thats the question the article never said. I would say extreem or populist against america lending. |
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| 16:04.18 | anoHito | troubled, it is very strange,usually if the server really has a problem, they would not know, untill i call them,but this time they said they mean to help me ,they was keeping an eye on the server . |
| 16:04.32 | valdyn | gnutron: #debian-offtopic |
| 16:04.34 | valdyn | ops |
| 16:04.36 | devel0 | anoHito, maybe they can see it from IPMI or something ? |
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| 16:04.55 | troubled | anoHito: you should probably phone them up and ask them why they said 2 hours when your logs only show 40minutes or so |
| 16:05.10 | anoHito | devel0, they said they can check stuff ,they have a monitor systems ,all servers info are in the sreen something. |
| 16:05.41 | anoHito | troubled, my clients told me they had 40 minutes off of the server too. |
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| 16:05.53 | Ringo | tag |
| 16:05.55 | devel0 | anoHito, Do you need me to tell you something is seriously suspicious here ? |
| 16:06.00 | troubled | anoHito: anyways, what is your debian question? |
| 16:06.01 | Ringo | hello |
| 16:06.02 | devel0 | syslog doesnt lie now does it |
| 16:06.04 | anoHito | yes ? |
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| 16:06.31 | devel0 | anoHito, mind telling me which company it is (privately) ? |
| 16:07.03 | anoHito | troubled, i need to know ,how do i identify a reboot and a shut down (including do it with manually power off) ,so that i can come to a conclusion. |
| 16:07.04 | valdyn | so that server got into a lock and they rebooted it, whats suspicous about that? |
| 16:07.07 | Ringo | i would like to rename 200 pictures in 1.jpg, 2jpg, 3jpg.... 199.jpg. Anyone can help me? |
| 16:07.19 | azeem | Ringo: rename from what? |
| 16:07.23 | Ringo | all pictures are in the same folder |
| 16:07.34 | Ringo | DCN234.jpg for example |
| 16:07.37 | anoHito | devel0, http://www.72e.net/ |
| 16:07.48 | valdyn | anoHito: enable the boot log, if there happens to have been an unclean shutdown, you would see that in the boot log |
| 16:08.05 | izua | is there a better method of mounting files than nfs? |
| 16:08.17 | troubled | anoHito: according to what you mentioned about the logs showing a startup, it sounds like you already know that it was shutdown/rebooted |
| 16:08.19 | valdyn | izua: nfs is not a method of mounting files at all |
| 16:08.21 | izua | ideally it should work under linux, too |
| 16:08.23 | devel0 | Ringo, for i in `ls /folder/*.jpg`; do $g = $g +1 ; mv $i $g.jpg ; done |
| 16:08.24 | anoHito | valdyn, how do i enable it ? |
| 16:08.27 | izua | windows* goddamit |
| 16:08.29 | valdyn | !bootlog |
| 16:08.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 16:08.32 | azeem | izua: cifs |
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| 16:08.55 | izua | well, um, a directory has a file, and mounting a remote directory is still mounting a file. well, it makes sense in my mind. |
| 16:08.58 | valdyn | izua: theres nothing better, theres just different things too |
| 16:09.00 | izua | s/has/is |
| 16:09.21 | izua | cifs. okay. checking. |
| 16:09.25 | valdyn | izua: directories do not get mounted unless you use mount --bind, filesystems get mounted |
| 16:09.26 | anoHito | troubled, i believe there was a shutdown made by them, thus there were no logs at all during the 40 mintues till the reboot was made at 5:05pm. |
| 16:09.29 | Ringo | devel thx |
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| 16:09.50 | anoHito | troubled, this has no conflict with what my cleints told me, they lost contact to the server about 30 minutes or so. |
| 16:09.50 | azeem | anoHito: ok, that's what you think. Now what is your question? |
| 16:10.22 | valdyn | anoHito: unless that lock up was a bug on that server |
| 16:10.34 | troubled | anoHito: then phone them up and ask them? |
| 16:10.35 | devel0 | I bet anoHito is making this up |
| 16:10.44 | anoHito | azeem, from 4:21PMto 5:05 PM, during this time there were no logs at all, can we make sure duing that time,the server was shut down ? |
| 16:10.57 | valdyn | anoHito: we cant |
| 16:10.58 | devel0 | anoHito, "last" should tell you |
| 16:11.08 | devel0 | valdyn, good point |
| 16:11.19 | Malle | azeem now i just get "waiting for root file system" |
| 16:11.32 | Malle | i unplugged some shit units like multireader etc |
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| 16:13.14 | izua | wait, cifs is windows sharing? |
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| 16:13.28 | valdyn | anoHito: the real question is why you would think that your isp, that gets money from you, would have *any* reason to be malicious, that doesnt make sense |
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| 16:13.39 | [evilgenius101] | Hi, Can someone please tell me if PLESK 9.2.1 is working debian Lenny. / |
| 16:13.40 | devel0 | valdyn, didnt you hear? chinese ISP |
| 16:13.49 | valdyn | devel0: so? |
| 16:13.56 | azeem | Malle: I don't think you have commented on your hardware yet |
| 16:14.06 | JosefAssad | bit of alame question; how do I work out what X driver I have running? xorg.conf is completely bare |
| 16:14.09 | Malle | i did azeem |
| 16:14.12 | devel0 | valdyn, dude in china people cant even download their latest torrent without having their prostate checked |
| 16:14.14 | Malle | ctrl+f |
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| 16:14.21 | valdyn | devel0: chinese know very well how to earn money |
| 16:14.29 | anoHito | valdyn, i will think about it . Thanks. |
| 16:14.32 | devel0 | valdyn, and how to censor everything |
| 16:14.36 | izua | ok, that's stupid, i don't want to use windows networking to get my files |
| 16:14.41 | valdyn | devel0: they dont censor everything |
| 16:14.56 | Malle | its a AMD64 , 2GB memory, a DVD reader and a DVD burner, a RAdeon x850XT and 2x sata hdds azeem |
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| 16:14.56 | devel0 | yeah they do , thats why freenet is so special in china |
| 16:15.05 | izua | ftp can work to mount remote filesystems? |
| 16:15.22 | JosefAssad | oh, the xorg log maybe |
| 16:15.24 | azeem | Malle: when did you buy it? |
| 16:15.32 | azeem | devel0: please keep it on topi |
| 16:15.33 | azeem | c |
| 16:15.41 | Malle | 3-4 years ago azeem |
| 16:15.44 | azeem | Malle: ok |
| 16:15.44 | valdyn | anoHito: maybe your content is political, but then you would know better than me what they would do |
| 16:15.51 | Malle | its been a windows computer before |
| 16:15.52 | azeem | no idea why it would fail then, sorry |
| 16:15.52 | ed0n0n | how can I start Compiz on boot? |
| 16:16.03 | azeem | Malle: maybe try the Debian 4.0 release as well |
| 16:16.06 | azeem | and if that works, upgrade |
| 16:16.08 | anoHito | valdyn, i will check stuff out, Thanks for advices. |
| 16:16.27 | JosefAssad | ah, radeonhd |
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| 16:20.11 | Malle | azeem i get some boot error, like "did we wait long enough" |
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| 16:21.16 | lindenle | HI all just realized that I also overwrote the partition table |
| 16:21.23 | lindenle | is there anything I can do to get this back? |
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| 16:22.24 | anoHito | if a program is statede as kept back, how to free it to get it upgraded ? |
| 16:22.33 | ed0n0n | 51Texturak |
| 16:22.34 | anoHito | stated* |
| 16:23.11 | hark | anoHito: /msg dpkg kept back |
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| 16:34.55 | anoHito | hark, Thanks. |
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| 16:36.16 | bookmark | hello! |
| 16:36.24 | bookmark | how are the lovely people |
| 16:36.34 | coney_ | i did an unstable net install gnome/laptop stuff... but how do i enable the cool wireless netmangler app on the top bar? |
| 16:36.51 | azeem | coney_: how is it disabled? |
| 16:37.03 | coney_ | hell if i know |
| 16:37.11 | azeem | coney_: is it there at all? |
| 16:37.16 | coney_ | no |
| 16:37.23 | ed0n0n | how can I stop MTA from loading on boot? |
| 16:37.24 | azeem | which version of Debian is this? |
| 16:37.32 | coney_ | unstable |
| 16:37.38 | bookmark | I probably have no plans to sell debian but is that something that is possible to do? I see that other companies sell their own linux ports, but someone sell somebody elses? |
| 16:37.40 | azeem | oh, no idea then |
| 16:38.05 | E-bola | wonders how long a standard debian kernel takes to build on a 2ghz cpu |
| 16:38.13 | JosefAssad | bookmark: the applet where you click and get a dropdown with the list of currently available wireless networks? |
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| 16:38.21 | coney_ | lenny |
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| 16:38.50 | coney_ | sources.list say lenny |
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| 16:39.31 | bookmark | ah so it is being "sold" i guess as part of mobile devices |
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| 16:42.12 | adama_ | bookmark: you could just burn debian CDs and sell them for $100 if you want to |
| 16:44.25 | bookmark | but i have to include the gpl somewhere yeah? |
| 16:44.45 | bookmark | gnu license i mean, whatever its called |
| 16:44.54 | adama_ | yes |
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| 16:45.04 | bookmark | what if i change debian some |
| 16:45.05 | adama_ | read it and it will expain |
| 16:45.10 | bookmark | ok |
| 16:45.16 | adama_ | still need the GPL |
| 16:45.41 | izua | ook so setting up cifs and samba is a real pain |
| 16:45.44 | bookmark | maybe ill just design something from scratch then, i wonder if i can get sound and vga drivers |
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| 16:46.12 | bookmark | for all the different hardwares |
| 16:46.23 | adama_ | make your own operating system using no GPL code? |
| 16:46.25 | bookmark | could i just lift those form the debian sources? |
| 16:46.29 | bookmark | right |
| 16:46.32 | izua | can someone explain me why do i need a root account and a samba account to be able to do something as simple as sharing files? :/ |
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| 16:46.48 | azeem | izua: you don't |
| 16:47.05 | maligor | you can always use BSDs, but they might contain the advertising clause, not sure |
| 16:47.09 | bookmark | but i would need the svga and audio driver portion or whatever |
| 16:47.18 | DavidProck1981 | my laptop, is able to adjust its processing speed, and also controols the fan when it needs it. But is there a way i can make the fan run at its best 24/7 ? |
| 16:47.19 | izua | well i'm googling on how to set up samba shares |
| 16:47.32 | izua | and they all want some users after installing smbfs and samba |
| 16:47.32 | anoHito | it is strange |
| 16:47.44 | bookmark | DavidProck1981: good question |
| 16:48.26 | anoHito | if i copy the users file which is in tar.gz to the /home/user/public_html/ ,then decompress from there, i can access the web no problem |
| 16:48.58 | anoHito | if i directly decompress the user file which is in tar.gz to /home/user/public_html/, i cannot access to web says 403 error. |
| 16:49.06 | anoHito | i check the user file by ls -l |
| 16:49.08 | DavidProck1981 | cause i treat my laptop like a desktop, its allways pluged in so i dont have to worry about battery life |
| 16:49.16 | anoHito | all are 1033 1033 thing |
| 16:49.42 | anoHito | then i chown -R username and chgrp -R username, after that i can log in ftp with that user account no problem |
| 16:49.55 | anoHito | but still, access to web got 403 error,any clue ? |
| 16:50.08 | Polarina | anoHito: You can do chown user.group |
| 16:50.38 | anoHito | Polarina, what does that mean ? i have already done chown -R username and chgrp -R username |
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| 16:51.29 | Polarina | anoHito: Same thing as chown and chgrp, but in one command. |
| 16:51.39 | anoHito | but that doesn help. |
| 16:51.48 | anoHito | got 403 error. |
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| 16:53.13 | bookmark | maligor!!: yes the advertising clause |
| 16:53.43 | bookmark | ok so maybe i just include the gpl but i don't have to like shout it from the rooftops |
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| 16:53.57 | bookmark | that my systems kernel is just the debian kernel |
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| 16:54.44 | bookmark | ill have to read the debian gpl i guess |
| 16:54.50 | bookmark | fun fun |
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| 16:56.54 | coney_ | oh cool i fixed it |
| 16:57.05 | coney_ | added my user to group netdev |
| 16:57.24 | coney_ | shibby |
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| 16:58.46 | bookmark | how can i get a total number of files in a directory? |
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| 16:59.10 | adsized | hey, does any know how to relay a real (.ram) stream as an mp3 stream. I have a lenny server and the out the box vlc dosn't seem to work |
| 16:59.18 | coney_ | ls -l? |
| 16:59.22 | coney_ | at the top |
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| 17:00.14 | coney_ | ls -l folder |grep total |
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| 17:00.44 | bookmark | is it possible to make a sytem where only the kernel runs? or do i need bash or something like that, or a console program |
| 17:00.47 | bookmark | ? |
| 17:00.50 | bookmark | a debian system that is |
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| 17:00.57 | buggarage | ls -al|wc -l |
| 17:01.02 | bookmark | thanks |
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| 17:01.49 | agaran | bookmark: it is, but kernel won't run just itself, it need something as init, it might be bash, but you will have no possibilities to logon from outside and many more limitations |
| 17:01.57 | agaran | bookmark: but it is doable and usable sometimes too |
| 17:02.00 | asg | bookmark: you can get the kernel to run until the point that it says "Hmmmm, I don't see a filesystem and can't continue' |
| 17:02.33 | bookmark | like pam? |
| 17:02.38 | valdyn | bookmark: what could possibly be the point of that? an expensive radiator? |
| 17:03.10 | azeem | valdyn: network router, e.g. |
| 17:03.13 | bookmark | Ok i can see where you're going |
| 17:03.16 | asg | valdyn: probably wouldn't much good as a radiator these days. |
| 17:03.28 | valdyn | yea, damn powersaving modes |
| 17:03.34 | bookmark | well i just didn't want it to look like linux |
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| 17:03.41 | bookmark | if you viewed the tree |
| 17:03.45 | azeem | bookmark: uh? |
| 17:03.48 | anoHito | valdyn, hi ,may i ask ? |
| 17:03.52 | bookmark | nevermind yeah i guess its ext2 |
| 17:03.56 | valdyn | anoHito: do not ask to ask please |
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| 17:04.04 | azeem | anoHito: and don't ask in private |
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| 17:04.17 | bookmark | azeem, i want to program a gaming system on x86 |
| 17:04.24 | bookmark | and i don't realy want anyone to know i used linux :) |
| 17:04.29 | azeem | what does that have to do with your question |
| 17:04.32 | bookmark | unless they have to |
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| 17:04.36 | anoHito | valdyn, if iam froom the current server , i do ls -l on the files in a hdd which is attached to the server via usb, how come the ownership and group are staed as in numbers but not in username ? |
| 17:04.40 | valdyn | bookmark: im not sure that isnt way above your head when you dont understand what a kernel is |
| 17:04.47 | bookmark | well linux would have a distinctive directoy structure |
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| 17:04.54 | anoHito | valdyn, the HDD has the same contents as well as the current servers'/ |
| 17:04.57 | asg | bookmark: don't let them log into it |
| 17:05.17 | bookmark | i could give them a restricted directory then yeah? |
| 17:05.19 | agaran | bookmark: untrue, linux just need /dev and init somewhere, nothing more.. |
| 17:05.32 | asg | bookmark: that would still imply you run a unix of some kind |
| 17:05.36 | azeem | bookmark: /W 34 |
| 17:05.39 | azeem | oops |
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| 17:05.44 | valdyn | anoHito: that makes it not be the same contents |
| 17:05.45 | bookmark | well not if i made it a graphical interface |
| 17:05.49 | bookmark | something like that |
| 17:06.08 | azeem | bookmark: please worry about your gaming thing first, then come back with your cover-up ideas and we can discuss them |
| 17:06.12 | anoHito | valdyn, also, if i decompress that user file from that attached hdd to the current server,then it keeps the permission in numbers and this isnt want i want. |
| 17:06.13 | valdyn | anoHito: when a user is displayed only as number like that, that means its a user id that has no name mapped to it |
| 17:06.14 | asg | bookmark: in the extreme case, you could install honeyd, have the box emulate windows and, for fun effect, use iptables to redirect all inbound port 3389 traffic to some window box. |
| 17:06.20 | valdyn | anoHito: that mapping happens with /etc/passwd |
| 17:06.26 | bookmark | ok good point |
| 17:06.34 | anoHito | valdyn, but he has the same username on both HDDs. |
| 17:06.49 | valdyn | anoHito: *id*, not name |
| 17:06.55 | bookmark | you'd still have bootscreens to worry about too |
| 17:07.00 | valdyn | anoHito: the names are irrelevant, you only care about the numerical id |
| 17:07.00 | bookmark | all that verboseness |
| 17:07.09 | valdyn | anoHito: compare the numerical ids, not the names |
| 17:07.11 | asg | bookmark: use a splash screen |
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| 17:07.16 | bookmark | right on |
| 17:07.30 | anoHito | valdyn, so i gotta copy that users.tar.gz to the current server,then decompress from the current server this will fix it up ? |
| 17:07.35 | bookmark | but yess this is stuff for later i mean if i had to let people know its linux its not a deal breaker |
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| 17:07.46 | valdyn | anoHito: so use "ls -n" |
| 17:07.53 | maximi89 | some one are from Debian Chile? |
| 17:08.03 | valdyn | anoHito: do your comparison using ls -n |
| 17:08.19 | anoHito | valdyn, no |
| 17:08.23 | valdyn | anoHito: yes probably that will fix it |
| 17:08.26 | anoHito | i used ls -l |
| 17:08.32 | pbn | how can I make sure the nvidia hardware acceleration is enabled ? I installed nvidia-glx and the kernel modules, rebooted, and /etc/X11/xorg.conf contains "nvidia"... but how do I make sure hardware acceleration is enabled ? |
| 17:08.35 | valdyn | anoHito: but im telling you to use ls -n |
| 17:08.37 | anoHito | valdyn, huh ? i don't get it. |
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| 17:08.42 | valdyn | anoHito: ls -nl |
| 17:08.44 | bookmark | i doubt i am capable of creating my own OS, maybe later ; ) |
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| 17:08.51 | valdyn | anoHito: see for yourself, i dont need to explain it |
| 17:08.52 | anoHito | do ls -nl in the current server ? |
| 17:08.58 | valdyn | anoHito: both |
| 17:09.01 | bookmark | pbn, you need a test app |
| 17:09.18 | bookmark | or |
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| 17:09.32 | bookmark | well because nvidia module can be loaded, but still not functioning |
| 17:09.35 | bookmark | properly |
| 17:09.36 | asg | pbn: glxgears should tell you if you have reasonable framerates that are only achievable via hardware accel. |
| 17:09.41 | nsadmin | pbn: glxinfo, glxgears |
| 17:09.55 | anoHito | valdyn, i do not get what you said : will fix it. |
| 17:09.56 | bookmark | best to just test it all at once |
| 17:10.02 | abrotman | nsadmin: glxgears doesn't care |
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| 17:10.15 | valdyn | anoHito: you think that the number != name is an error, right? |
| 17:10.22 | bookmark | lsmod i think will tell you if nvidia is loaded |
| 17:10.30 | valdyn | anoHito: but that is *not* valid in your case |
| 17:10.36 | pbn | nsadmin: thanks but how do I install them ? what package ? |
| 17:10.43 | anoHito | valdyn, i think i gotta copy that userfile.tar.gz from that attached HDDto the current server then decompress from the current, but not directly decompress usersfile.tar.gz from the attached HDD to the current ,right ? |
| 17:10.46 | valdyn | anoHito: you need to use "ls -nl" and *then* compare the files owner and group |
| 17:10.55 | valdyn | anoHito: no, that part doesnt matter |
| 17:10.58 | nsadmin | judd, find glxgears |
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| 17:11.13 | nsadmin | !find glxgears |
| 17:11.33 | Yancho | hi can somene please hep me set up my HP Laser printer please? : http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/laserjet/hp_laserjet_p1006.html it is supported - i have many drivers none match but |
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| 17:11.41 | wicket | it's in mesa-utils |
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| 17:13.08 | anoHito | valdyn, the id the numbers ? |
| 17:13.19 | valdyn | anoHito: what? |
| 17:13.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'glxgears' (3): (/usr/bin/glxgears) in x11/mesa-utils ;; (/usr/bin/fgl_glxgears) in non-free/x11/fglrx-driver ;; (/usr/share/fvwm-crystal/fvwm/Applications/Utilities/~glxgears~glxgears) in x11/fvwm-crystal. |
| 17:14.00 | pbn | thank you |
| 17:14.12 | bookmark | well one thing i could do i s program my own "kernel" or something like it later that would just be one or two files |
| 17:14.16 | bookmark | if i want that |
| 17:14.17 | Malle | anyone here runnig a hlds on their linux machine and would like to share their configs :P? |
| 17:14.42 | bookmark | but i would need a driver base |
| 17:15.34 | bookmark | if i cared about 100% code control i mean |
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| 17:16.21 | anoHito | valdyn, would you explain to me what do i do exact,please ? |
| 17:17.19 | valdyn | anoHito: ls -ln <files you want to compare> |
| 17:17.19 | stuNNed | anyone else using unstable? |
| 17:17.28 | asg | !sid faq |
| 17:17.28 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror); it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/squeeze... |
| 17:17.32 | anoHito | valdyn, wait. |
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| 17:18.58 | anoHito | valdyn, i get different numbers. |
| 17:19.27 | anoHito | valdyn, but even though, i did a test on a working account, with different numbers, but still work. |
| 17:19.29 | stuNNed | thanks asg |
| 17:19.32 | nsadmin | stuNNed: are you sure you want to be? |
| 17:20.24 | stuNNed | nsadmin: dunno yet, thinking about it |
| 17:20.29 | ktlr | i have a regular expression ex.: Test connection accepted; fd='(?<someone_1>.*)?', client='(?<someone_2>.*)?' .. etc so i want to get matcher values i mean i need to these values: "someone_1","someone_2" , can somebody tell me how can i get these values from the example , i mean i want to do it with a simple preg_match function what is give me values at array |
| 17:21.56 | module000 | ktlr: I don't understand your statement |
| 17:22.07 | nsadmin | stuNNed: support for sid is somewhat rare. you usually have to find problems and likely fix them yourself. you will be looking at the bts pretty often, as well as reading source code. |
| 17:22.07 | asg | ktlr: #php may be a better forum for that question |
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| 17:22.45 | maximi89 | some body from Debian Chile? |
| 17:22.57 | asg | not since the last time you asked |
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| 17:23.32 | anoHito | :( |
| 17:23.35 | ktlr | asg, it is just a simple regular expression, i have to write regexp that get values at other definied regexps |
| 17:23.47 | nsadmin | people here may not be able to answer questions you might have, and they also might not want to, and they look at it this way: if you're running unstable, you should know how to locate information and find/solve problems yourself. |
| 17:24.21 | stuNNed | nsadmin: a good way to learn Debian, no? |
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| 17:24.28 | crazypenguin | fllow theseï¼ |
| 17:24.29 | crazypenguin | 1. First install the bridge utilities (bridge-utils). package. You can do this fromthe command line as follows: |
| 17:24.29 | crazypenguin | sudo apt-get install bridge-utils |
| 17:24.29 | crazypenguin | 2. Next, you must add an entry to the file /etc/network/interfacesto de-scribe the bridge. The following sample entry creates a bridgecalled br0, addsthe host ethernet interface eth0 to it and tells it toobtain an IP address usingDHCP so that the host remains able to accessthe network. |
| 17:24.29 | nsadmin | no |
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| 17:24.44 | linduxed | is there a page that describes what the "ls -l" columns mean? |
| 17:24.44 | asg | ktlr: getting the values you need is a matter of the language you are using. Since you are using #php, they will be better able to help. |
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| 17:25.20 | chops2 | linduxed: Surely 'man ls' will tell you |
| 17:25.28 | nsadmin | stuNNed: no. you're expected to KNOW debian already. |
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| 17:26.14 | linduxed | chops2: well thats exectly what it doesnt |
| 17:26.22 | crazypenguin | I failed to configure bridge in lenny,can anybody help me ? |
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| 17:27.22 | anoHito | lets get long story short, i cannot access to index.php says 403 error and i have already chown username index.php and chgrp username index.php, any clue ? |
| 17:27.38 | nsadmin | stuNNed: you can develop all of these knowledge requirements using stable |
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| 17:28.14 | chops2 | linduxed: Hmph, it should. http://www.fifi.org/cgi-bin/info2www?(fileutils)What+information+is+listed (should be available under 'info ls') shows what's listed. |
| 17:28.29 | chops2 | linduxed: Probably the man page is out of date compared to the info pages. |
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| 17:29.24 | anoHito | valdyn, :( |
| 17:29.32 | crazypenguin | does anyone can help me with the configure of network bridge ? |
| 17:29.38 | anoHito | hands valdyn a cpu of green tea. |
| 17:29.52 | anoHito | bribes valdyn :) |
| 17:30.05 | linduxed | chops2: found this http://www.computerhope.com/unix/uls.htm |
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| 17:30.40 | nsadmin | anoHito: find out why the server cannot find the file |
| 17:30.48 | nkuttler | ... man ls points to info coreutils.. |
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| 17:30.54 | anoHito | nsadmin, 403 error, not 404. |
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| 17:31.22 | anoHito | nsadmin, if i keep the original permission, i can access to web but i cannot access to ftp. |
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| 17:32.01 | anoHito | nsadmin, wait,i think i can tweak it. |
| 17:32.04 | nsadmin | ftp is not recommended... -especially- if you're ever typing any password |
| 17:32.40 | crazypenguin | my bridge |
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| 17:33.34 | maximi89 | who knows something about the redirection of the repository Debian Chile to Debian Brazil? |
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| 17:34.58 | rhineheart_m | hello.. what if executing this command won't work.. shutdown -r now? |
| 17:35.40 | nsadmin | what do you mean exactly by "won't work" |
| 17:35.54 | epsas | you might be in the wrong runlevel |
| 17:36.08 | adama_ | you need to be root |
| 17:36.09 | rhineheart_m | the box won't restart.. |
| 17:36.47 | nkuttler | rhineheart_m: did you build your own kernel? |
| 17:36.57 | nkuttler | rhineheart_m: or is it a very old computer? |
| 17:37.00 | crazypenguin | I have done like these : 1: sudo apt-get install bridge-utils ,2: add an entry to the file /etc/network/interfaces : auto br0 |
| 17:37.00 | rhineheart_m | nope. I used debian lenny |
| 17:37.01 | crazypenguin | iface br0 inet dhcp |
| 17:37.01 | crazypenguin | bridge_ports eth0, 3: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart . |
| 17:37.02 | nsadmin | details? |
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| 17:37.21 | crazypenguin | but after that |
| 17:37.38 | rhineheart_m | the box is pentium D.. 2.8 GHZ |
| 17:37.40 | crazypenguin | my host can't ping |
| 17:38.03 | crazypenguin | local or outside |
| 17:38.16 | rhineheart_m | outside this time.. remotely connected |
| 17:38.34 | rhineheart_m | how to force restart the box in cli? |
| 17:38.45 | anoHito | yeah ,i fixed it by my self :D |
| 17:39.00 | anoHito | just had to chgrp -R apache userfiles. |
| 17:39.06 | anoHito | lol |
| 17:39.31 | blackbeard2000 | i have the process dvd+rw-mediainfo in ps -ax... how can i kil this process? kill PID or killall -9 name doesnt do it |
| 17:39.58 | crazypenguin | if anyone can help me , could you mail to me? my email address is huangwenbiao@126.com |
| 17:40.11 | rhineheart_m | something like.. if one program is running but hangs.. I want to shutdown the box without waiting for the program |
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| 17:41.36 | crazypenguin | my question also be here : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/failed-in-debian-to-configure-the-net-bridge-727833/ |
| 17:41.47 | anoHito | how can i ftp upload files in debian ? |
| 17:41.55 | abrotman | crazypenguin: if you google "qemu bridge debian" .. you should find some instructions |
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| 17:42.37 | abrotman | anoHito: you use an ftp client .. like every other OS |
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| 17:42.40 | blackbeard2000 | argh.. and becouse of this i cant unmount a network share |
| 17:42.49 | rhineheart_m | is there a way to restart debian lenny without killing all of the running process.. one by one? |
| 17:43.05 | blackbeard2000 | again: is there something harder than kill or kill -9? |
| 17:43.32 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: 'reboot' ? |
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| 17:43.40 | crazypenguin | i know about what you mean, but in it,it only do about static ip address. I want to be dhcp . but I failed |
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| 17:44.12 | jetscreamer | what, /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 17:44.29 | rhineheart_m | using putty.. it hangs after executing reboot in this display... The system is going down for reboot NOW! |
| 17:44.50 | jelly | blackbeard2000: "reboot" |
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| 17:44.53 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: give it a moment |
| 17:45.12 | jetscreamer | shutdown -r now && exit |
| 17:45.17 | blackbeard2000 | jelly: yea... i do it now. but that not so "linux";) |
| 17:45.21 | adama_ | rhineheart_m: of course it will disconnect putty... |
| 17:45.25 | jelly | abrotman: let's only answer questions to which the correct answer is "reboot"! |
| 17:45.34 | abrotman | jelly: this isn't ##windows |
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| 17:45.51 | rhineheart_m | no.. it won't disconnect.. when I run another putty.. I can login still in the box |
| 17:45.52 | jelly | abrotman: it could be :-( |
| 17:46.11 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: it's probably waiting for something to die gracefully .. just give it a moment |
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| 17:46.27 | rhineheart_m | I've been waiting for almost 5 mins now |
| 17:46.57 | blackbeard2000 | this fu**ing cdrom blinks still after shutdown -h... cpu and hdds are off |
| 17:47.18 | jetscreamer | take the cd out? |
| 17:47.25 | jelly | blackbeard2000: umounting a network share should be orthogonal to your dvd+rw-tools issues, unless you accidenally used a directory on that share as the command's working directory |
| 17:47.37 | nsadmin | a cdrom blinks? |
| 17:47.49 | jelly | blackbeard2000: there's usually a small button on the device to make it open. |
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| 17:47.58 | nsadmin | I think it's reflecting a stop sign! |
| 17:48.00 | jelly | :> |
| 17:48.01 | rhineheart_m | abrotman, after waiting for several minutes.. the box didn't reboot.. still rebooting |
| 17:48.05 | blackbeard2000 | that little LED in fromt of it..showing there is something done |
| 17:48.13 | jelly | blackbeard2000: lies! |
| 17:48.35 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: do it again! |
| 17:48.37 | jelly | rhineheart_m: you can perform a forced reboot using sysrq, then |
| 17:48.39 | blackbeard2000 | jelly : haha |
| 17:48.43 | jelly | !sysrq |
| 17:48.43 | dpkg | [sysrq] Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt See also <sysrqd>. |
| 17:49.04 | nsadmin | oh you mean the -drive- |
| 17:49.20 | jelly | !spank nsadmin |
| 17:49.20 | dpkg | bends nsadmin over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 17:49.26 | blackbeard2000 | jelly: the button was the first i tried ^^ |
| 17:49.42 | jelly | blackbeard2000: Linux has helpfully locked the drive, I wager |
| 17:49.45 | rhineheart_m | jelly, what's exactly the command of sysrq? |
| 17:49.47 | nsadmin | umm ouch? |
| 17:49.51 | blackbeard2000 | its not an atx-pc... so it is not fully halted with shutdown -h |
| 17:50.05 | pickcoder | blackbeard2000: if it's not an ATX then how in the heck is getting power |
| 17:50.15 | pickcoder | external? |
| 17:50.16 | jelly | rhineheart_m: press alt-sysrq-s, then alt-sysrq-u, wait a second, then alt-sysrq-b |
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| 17:50.32 | blackbeard2000 | linux is down...cpu is down... hdds... down... only that cdrom *blinks*... kind of weird |
| 17:50.48 | blackbeard2000 | pickcoder: at |
| 17:50.49 | jelly | rhineheart_m: assuming you have access to physical console |
| 17:51.09 | rhineheart_m | jelly, would putty works? |
| 17:51.28 | blackbeard2000 | pickcoder: those old, for which one still has to press the power-off butten after halt |
| 17:51.32 | nsadmin | that's what miles davis should have called "bitches brew".... kind of weird |
| 17:51.34 | pickcoder | blackbeard2000: if you turned the power swtich off then how is the LED blinking? |
| 17:51.42 | jelly | rhineheart_m: if you have a root shell, you can echo those characters into /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 17:51.46 | pickcoder | oh |
| 17:51.51 | blackbeard2000 | pickcoder: then its off *rolling eyes* |
| 17:52.15 | rhineheart_m | ows.. how to do it jelly ? |
| 17:52.21 | jelly | rhineheart_m: prepare for possible physical visit to the machine if it fails to reboot nicely |
| 17:52.28 | blackbeard2000 | its just kind of weird...havent seen such a behavior yet |
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| 17:52.40 | jelly | rhineheart_m: you don't know how to use echo? |
| 17:52.54 | nsadmin | maybe he shouldn't be doing that |
| 17:53.13 | jelly | rhineheart_m: ask the administrator to reboot it, then. |
| 17:53.24 | pickcoder | blackbeard2000: bad firmware maybe? |
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| 17:53.54 | jelly | blackbeard2000: eh. crappy dvd media and/or devices can do bad things to linux |
| 17:54.05 | luke1705 | hello, does anybody know how to find out the version of a python package (doctest)? |
| 17:54.08 | jelly | blackbeard2000: this is esp. true with rw media |
| 17:54.24 | rhineheart_m | right now no personnel in the vicinity where the box is located.. I just need to reboot the box without having a physical visit |
| 17:54.26 | pickcoder | old power supplies also can be problematic |
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| 17:54.29 | pickcoder | :P |
| 17:55.48 | jelly | rhineheart_m: ask the administrator to reboot it via putty, then. Someone who knows a bit about unix shell. I'm uncomfortable telling you literal commands how to reboot your machine in a dirty way, when that might cause more issues afterwards. |
| 17:55.55 | nsadmin | rhineheart_m: is it in a data center? how far is it from you? could you ever have physical access to it while it's connected to power and net? |
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| 17:56.46 | rhineheart_m | nsadmin, it's not a data center.. how far? 2 kilometers and it 1:56 AM here.. |
| 17:56.58 | jelly | rhineheart_m: if you absolve me of all responsibility, I can tell exactly what to type in a root shell, but you're on your own after that. |
| 17:57.09 | nsadmin | rhineheart_m: oh, do it in the morning |
| 17:57.20 | nsadmin | err later morning :) |
| 17:57.22 | jelly | right, that's probably a better idea |
| 17:57.57 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: did you try to `kill <machinename>` ? |
| 17:58.03 | abrotman | does that still work? |
| 17:58.23 | jelly | when did that work? |
| 17:58.41 | jelly | also, what did it do |
| 17:58.47 | nsadmin | what does that do, run netcrashme on machinename? |
| 17:59.03 | rhineheart_m | nsadmin, I got arguments must be process or job IDs |
| 17:59.03 | rhineheart_m | .... |
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| 17:59.49 | jelly | rhineheart_m: can you live with the machine being down until someone gets to it to eg. fix fsck issues after reboot? |
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| 18:00.20 | luke1705 | Any Lenny & Python expert here? |
| 18:00.29 | nsadmin | if he can live with that, he can also live with present situation |
| 18:00.36 | epsas | luke105 - what is happening? |
| 18:00.39 | nsadmin | luke1705: /msg dpkg ask to ask |
| 18:00.41 | jelly | rhineheart_m: because after a sysrq forced reboot, the state of the filesystems and the OS will be as if the power got disconnected |
| 18:00.54 | asg | jelly: that's why we have KVMs accessible over IP |
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| 18:00.55 | rhineheart_m | mmm...nsadmin nice ideas.. :) |
| 18:01.00 | luke1705 | I need to figure out which version a python package is |
| 18:01.08 | jelly | asg: we do, do we. But rhineheart_m seems not to. |
| 18:01.08 | luke1705 | package: doctest |
| 18:01.11 | abrotman | jelly: kill <machinename> would restart the box .. this was great fun when southpark was popular .. `kill kenny` :) |
| 18:01.11 | yarren | hrmph. I got banned from #opendarwin because I asked a hackintosh question. guess they aren't very "open" |
| 18:01.23 | luke1705 | How can I manage that? |
| 18:01.24 | nsadmin | luke1705: dpkg --help |
| 18:01.28 | jelly | abrotman: I've never heard of such thing. |
| 18:01.37 | abrotman | jelly: hold on .. i'll try it here |
| 18:01.38 | asg | jelly: always helps to be prepared for the worst |
| 18:01.48 | jelly | abrotman: guess some weird kill might have defaulted to pid 1 |
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| 18:02.04 | abrotman | maybe it was solaris ? or freebsd |
| 18:02.04 | luke1705 | what if the package comes directly with python) |
| 18:02.06 | abrotman | blames the beer |
| 18:02.10 | rhineheart_m | jelly, I see.. I got your idea.. mmm.. jelly.. I can live with it.. just give me an idea how would I shutdown the box..it's fine with me.. |
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| 18:02.33 | nsadmin | luke1705: then you'd have to look at the source as far as I know |
| 18:02.38 | epsas | luke1705 - then it is the version that comes with python |
| 18:02.44 | asg | abrotman: cd /usr/ports/misc ; make beer |
| 18:02.47 | nsadmin | maybe python can print its version, for that, #python |
| 18:02.55 | luke1705 | pfff... ok, thanks |
| 18:02.59 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:03.18 | jelly | rhineheart_m: echo s >> /proc/sysrq-trigger && sleep 3 && echo u >> /proc/sysrq-trigger && sleep 3 && echo b >> /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 18:03.30 | jelly | rhineheart_m: do not make typos. |
| 18:03.47 | epsas | luke1705 - i am curious, why do you need to know? |
| 18:03.51 | abrotman | or maybe it was a RH-ism .. |
| 18:04.05 | nsadmin | if it actually comes in the debian package "python" then go to #python to find out how to get the version |
| 18:04.15 | jelly | abrotman: kill -9 1 is fun |
| 18:04.33 | nsadmin | or better, read the python manual |
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| 18:04.46 | module000 | jelly: the sun rep who came to our datacenter had "born to kill -9" stenciled on his lappy bag...i dig it |
| 18:05.00 | asg | or read the source, it will most likely have the version near the top of the file. |
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| 18:05.17 | nsadmin | right, mentioned that :) |
| 18:05.27 | anoHito | Thanks for helps, by the way,linux is very complicated |
| 18:05.38 | anoHito | after i chgrp 1030 files |
| 18:05.47 | asg | nsadmin: positive reinforcement :) |
| 18:05.59 | anoHito | it is okay, but then i found that number 1030 is changing..now it is 4096 ,wtf. |
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| 18:06.13 | anoHito | but anyway,thanks for helping i will keep dig it out. |
| 18:07.09 | rhineheart_m | jelly, thank you.. it solves the problem.. the box is still ON but at least I can still work on it.. it doesn't hang now.. |
| 18:07.11 | aindilis | My console password manager encrypted store just got trashed by the manager, I am trying to get the error message to send to the mailinglist to see if I can restore it somehow as I don't have a backup. I was wondering how to inspect the history of a terminal, I'm guessing it's like /dev/pts/1 or something like that. is there a way to view this? the error is out of the terminal programs history, but I'm guessing may sti |
| 18:07.15 | aindilis | pts file or something. i don't really know. any help would be appreciated. |
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| 18:08.03 | asg | aindilis: look for the shell history like ~/.bash_history |
| 18:08.24 | aindilis | thanks, but it's not the command I entered but the error message output by the crashing program |
| 18:08.39 | luke1705 | epsas, doctest.testmod() throws an exception and I am wondering why |
| 18:08.48 | jelly | rhineheart_m: you were lucky this time |
| 18:09.05 | rhineheart_m | yeah.. jelly.. to have you and abrotman :) |
| 18:09.19 | asg | 3-way |
| 18:09.23 | jelly | rhineheart_m: nah, I didn't mean that. |
| 18:09.30 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: i didn't do it!~ |
| 18:09.40 | luke1705 | epsas, I have just copied an example from python.org so far |
| 18:09.55 | blackbeard2000 | jelly : its kind of both.. i think.. a crapy media, which is not recognized at all by my new burner but by this old one and that old burner, which was one of the first NEC ND1100 i think which is crappy, too... it boots from cd only when it is in a good mood to do it for example |
| 18:10.58 | asg | aindilis: if you still have the original terminal open, try shift+pgup and hope it is still in the buffer |
| 18:10.58 | rhineheart_m | but it helps jelly abrotman.. Thanks for the both of you! |
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| 18:10.58 | aindilis | asg: I still have the terminal open, but it's out of memory |
| 18:10.59 | aindilis | * I mean the buffer |
| 18:10.59 | jelly | blackbeard2000: my personal opinion of cdr and dvd support in Linux breaks the ubuntu code of conduct. |
| 18:11.35 | aindilis | so I'm trying to access the /dev/pts or something which may hold a copy |
| 18:11.37 | asg | aindilis: then it is likely lost. You might try fishing in /dev/kmem but the info has likely been cycled out at this point. |
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| 18:12.24 | blackbeard2000 | from dvd+rw it boots only in a good mood... it boots mostly normal from cd-R (not RW)... so the best i can do is to setup a PXE-server som time and boot from a pxe-boot-cd-R... but i am too lazy atm |
| 18:13.01 | jelly | aindilis: the /dev/pts/1 device doesn't have anything to do with it, it's either in your terminal emulator process memory, or it's gone |
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| 18:13.31 | jelly | aindilis: your xterm or whatever has already read it off /dev/pts/1 |
| 18:13.41 | jelly | and apparently scrolled it off as well |
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| 18:14.05 | aindilis | okay, I just remember somehow accessing history from one of these "files" but I might just be mistaken |
| 18:14.16 | aindilis | thanks guys! |
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| 18:15.17 | jelly | blackbeard2000: find some old golden Kodak 4x CD-R media or whatever :-) If the machine if new enough, it might boot off usb sticks too |
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| 18:16.07 | jelly | aindilis: I could be completely wrong, but I don't think they work that way |
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| 18:17.32 | blackbeard2000 | yea old CD-Rs work... but as u know cd-rs can be written just once and i test a lot... at the moment to get a multiboot-dvd... thoise dvd+rws which are blue at the bottom are really crappy for me... cd-r with silver to write at work good |
| 18:18.17 | blackbeard2000 | and no... no usb-boot... no usb at all either... it has usb 1.x on board.. but i would nee an extra cable |
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| 18:18.49 | rhineheart_m | anybody knows the significance of hs_err_pid***.log files? |
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| 18:20.42 | Yancho | hi - i have a strange problem - a printer can be easily found if i plug it straight to my usb port. but if i plug a usb hub to the port an the printer to the usb - i find nothing - any idea wy please? i need to connect 3 USBs to 1 USB port |
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| 18:21.38 | ser | how to mirror disk partition layout to the identical other drive? |
| 18:21.58 | blackbeard2000 | : ser clonezilla |
| 18:22.08 | ser | not the content, but partition layout only |
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| 18:22.41 | blackbeard2000 | parted... something with save... than use the save on the other drive |
| 18:22.42 | paulfm | hey everyone |
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| 18:23.00 | ser | blackbeard2000: ok, thanks, i will look to parted |
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| 18:23.32 | paulfm | can someone please explain to me why "ps -eo s" shows me "S" for a process that Top says is "R" |
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| 18:23.51 | paulfm | any ideas would be hugely appreciated :-) |
| 18:24.29 | blackbeard2000 | sed: err parted might do it too... i used sfdisk for that |
| 18:24.44 | blackbeard2000 | sfdisk -d /dev/hda > /save/hda.pt.sfdisk |
| 18:25.11 | ser | ok because parted has no import option |
| 18:25.20 | blackbeard2000 | than use that hda.pt.sfdisk on the other drive to reconstruct partiition-table |
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| 18:26.47 | thyko | hey guys |
| 18:27.11 | thyko | someone help me with class 2 squid delay_class |
| 18:27.19 | ser | blackbeard2000: yea, dumping is easy, but how to restore |
| 18:27.50 | blackbeard2000 | something similar with sfdisk. use gogle |
| 18:28.09 | blackbeard2000 | i just tried it once... after that i just done the backups |
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| 18:28.31 | ser | ok thanks |
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| 18:30.01 | ser | yes, it is just easy as fdisk /dev/sdb < /save/hda.pt.sfdisk |
| 18:30.04 | ser | thanks |
| 18:30.09 | ser | sorry sfdisk |
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| 18:31.31 | ser | and mdadm --manage /dev/md2 --re-add /dev/sdb2 - voila! |
| 18:31.35 | ser | thanks again |
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| 18:33.02 | blackbeard2000 | is getting nuts with that cappy DVD+RW thing |
| 18:34.07 | paulfm | Does anyone have an idea why "ps -eo s" shows me "S" for a process that Top says is "R" - Im getting 2 different states for the same proc? |
| 18:34.16 | xaashi | hi, i'm using lenny - with kernel 2.6.29-2-686 and depmod doesn't seem to to look at /lib/modules/`uname -`/updates - has anyone come across this before? |
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| 18:34.43 | thyko | 1) do squid delay pools handle both download and upload? 1) in a class on squid delay pool; delay_parameters 1 [bytes]/[bytes], what do the two byte groups mean? |
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| 18:34.46 | jelly | paulfm: consistently? Or you just caught it when it was S? |
| 18:36.00 | paulfm | jelly: I keep looking at it every second and ps reports "S" and it is running (Its mplayer and Im listening to music) so it should be an R right?... whenever I look at Top is being reported in state R |
| 18:36.14 | blackbeard2000 | o god! is there something to restet that ide-bus completly where the DVD+RW-drive is connected... or a timeout which can get bigger for recognizing medias? |
| 18:36.39 | jelly | paulfm: mplayer shouldn't take more than a small percentage of cpu time for music. |
| 18:37.25 | blackbeard2000 | i need twenty times open/close of that tray until the media is recognized... *cry* |
| 18:37.42 | jelly | paulfm: run something that's always busy, like a " dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null & ", then ps -o s -p dd's-pid |
| 18:37.45 | blackbeard2000 | its just gambling |
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| 18:38.24 | paulfm | jelly: mplayer is streaming - shouldnt that mean it busy and should always be in "R"? |
| 18:38.33 | jelly | paulfm: definitely not |
| 18:38.47 | jelly | paulfm: R means "currently served by a cpu" |
| 18:38.52 | paulfm | jelly: is a bit strange that if I look at ps it says "S" 30 times in a row - but top always reports it as R |
| 18:39.25 | jelly | paulfm: look at that dd with ps. |
| 18:39.39 | paulfm | jelly: I guess I dont understand... shouldnt an mplayer decoding and playing mp3 stream always be using cpu? |
| 18:39.43 | paulfm | jelly: ok |
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| 18:40.44 | jelly | paulfm: definitely not. On modern processors, mp3 decoding can use maybe 1-3% cpu time, so most of the time cpu is idle |
| 18:41.46 | paulfm | jelly: Ok. I would still think 1-3% is not 0% - unless idle is defined as something below +- 3% ? |
| 18:42.05 | paulfm | *paulfm doesnt get it* |
| 18:42.10 | jelly | paulfm: you only took 30 random samples. |
| 18:42.15 | paulfm | *jelly is about to hit him over the head* |
| 18:42.16 | paulfm | :-) |
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| 18:42.56 | jelly | paulfm: if you take a very large number of samples, your mplayer process will be in R state 1-3% of the time |
| 18:43.03 | paulfm | jelly: well yes. but whenever - over the past few days, I look at state with ps - I get "S"... and whenever I look at same process with Top - it says R |
| 18:43.19 | paulfm | jelly: so which is accurate - ps or Top? |
| 18:43.25 | jelly | paulfm: so take a couple thousands samples with ps and report. |
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| 18:44.14 | paulfm | jelly: OK - Ill write a script and see if its ever in anything but S |
| 18:45.13 | jelly | paulfm: it always shows R for a busy loop process like that dd above. |
| 18:45.51 | paulfm | jelly: well on my system mplayer uses 17% cpu as reported by top |
| 18:46.03 | jelly | paulfm: that's because a busy loop like that always wants another slice of cpu time. A mp3 player isn't always looking for cpu time. |
| 18:46.05 | paulfm | jelly: im checking ps cpu |
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| 18:46.22 | paulfm | jelly: a busy loop like whaT? |
| 18:46.25 | paulfm | oops |
| 18:46.51 | jelly | [20:37] <jelly> paulfm: run something that's always busy, like a " dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null & ", then ps -o s -p dd's-pid |
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| 18:47.37 | jelly | that's an idiomatic use of dd to make it hog cpu. |
| 18:47.42 | paulfm | jelly: ok |
| 18:47.59 | karsten | Is there any way to tell whether or not a given process is operating within a chroot? |
| 18:48.10 | jelly | hm. |
| 18:48.35 | karsten | I've got a chroot environment set up ATM (using my initrd), and thought there was something in /proc or /proc/self that showed this (FS tree is defined per-process), but can't. |
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| 18:48.46 | jelly | karsten: /proc/PID/root ? |
| 18:49.08 | jelly | karsten: or are you asking "am I in chroot"? |
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| 18:49.13 | blackbeard2000 | o god... its not 20 open/close of tray.. more like 50 |
| 18:49.17 | karsten | jelly: it doesn't do what you think you do. |
| 18:49.24 | karsten | jelly: It points to / regardless. |
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| 18:50.07 | karsten | jelly: /proc/$$/mountinfo comes closer. |
| 18:50.17 | blackbeard2000 | how do i make a script to open tray... close tray... testa if media got recognized... if not: open tray again... and so on... when media is recognized stop |
| 18:50.20 | jelly | karsten: worksforme. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2009-05-22 20:49 /proc/18045/root -> /mnt/private/sarge-chroot |
| 18:50.21 | karsten | jelly: It doesn't jump out at you but I do get 34 19 7:0 / / rw - ext2 /dev/loop0 rw,errors=continue |
| 18:50.40 | karsten | jelly: ... which is my chroot FS's mount arg. |
| 18:50.41 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 18:50.43 | jelly | karsten: of course, I'm lsing it outside of chroot. |
| 18:50.58 | karsten | jelly: lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 0 root -> / |
| 18:51.17 | blackbeard2000 | really... may a bash-guru help me with that please? |
| 18:51.25 | jelly | karsten: so you _are_ asking "is this process inside a chroot" |
| 18:51.39 | karsten | jelly: Yes, *outside* it works, inside it doesn't. |
| 18:51.45 | karsten | jelly: And yes, I want to know from inside. |
| 18:51.47 | jelly | duh! |
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| 18:51.58 | jelly | karsten: would you accept heuristics? |
| 18:52.10 | jelly | karsten: like, /'s inode number |
| 18:52.31 | karsten | jelly: Hem |
| 18:52.32 | jelly | I've no idea how to properly detect it. |
| 18:52.46 | jelly | and too lazy to look it up :-) |
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| 18:53.07 | karsten | jelly: ls -ldi |
| 18:53.30 | jelly | I mean the chroot, not the inum. |
| 18:53.46 | karsten | jelly: I'm confused. |
| 18:54.15 | \amethyst | ah.. that's what hal does |
| 18:54.18 | jelly | "I've no idea how to properly detect chroot, but I can offer a hack like ls -ldi /" |
| 18:54.21 | karsten | jelly: Problem with that AFAICT is that there's no way of knowing what the non-chroot's root directory inum is. |
| 18:54.24 | \amethyst | if [ "$(stat -c %d/%i /)" != "$(stat -Lc %d/%i /proc/1/root 2>/dev/null)" ]; then |
| 18:54.36 | jelly | karsten: it's always 2 for ext3. :-) |
| 18:54.37 | blackbeard2000 | run "eject /dev/dvd"... run "eject -t /dev/dvd"... run "dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd" if it shows ":-( no media mounted, exiting..."... run "eject /dev/dvd"again... and so on... please, please... may someone help me? |
| 18:54.37 | troubled | dingmethyst! |
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| 18:55.05 | jelly | karsten: ... root directory is created very early, somehow. |
| 18:55.24 | justin | blackbeard2000: while ! mount /dev/dvd;do eject -d /dev/dvd;done |
| 18:55.34 | justin | blackbeard2000: er |
| 18:55.36 | \amethyst | you need the device, too, not just the inode number |
| 18:55.39 | justin | blackbeard2000: while ! mount /dev/dvd;do eject /dev/dvd;done is what you want |
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| 18:55.42 | blackbeard2000 | not mounting |
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| 18:55.50 | blackbeard2000 | only that mediainfo thing |
| 18:55.55 | karsten | jelly: Ah... |
| 18:55.57 | justin | blackbeard2000: so put that |
| 18:55.59 | \amethyst | otherwise, you might get a false positive if the chroot is the root directory of a separate filesystem |
| 18:56.22 | blackbeard2000 | and how does it know that the media is reecognized? |
| 18:56.25 | karsten | jelly: Inside the chroot: 2 drwxr-xr-x 13 0 0 1024 / |
| 18:56.29 | karsten | It's still 2 |
| 18:56.39 | jelly | looks like a root of _something_, then |
| 18:56.40 | karsten | jelly: ObCarTalk: it only works if the number is 2. |
| 18:56.49 | \amethyst | karsten: what about stat -Lc %d/%i ? |
| 18:57.07 | \amethyst | karsten: you should see the device number (before the slash) being different from init's root |
| 18:57.07 | karsten | The situation arisis inside the Debian installer for etch |
| 18:57.15 | karsten | \ \amethyst sec. |
| 18:57.43 | karsten | \ \amethyst what's that giving me? |
| 18:57.57 | karsten | has his escapes confused. |
| 18:58.02 | karsten | \amethyst: ^^ |
| 18:58.05 | jelly | ve haf vays of detecting your chroot! |
| 18:58.20 | \amethyst | karsten: the device number of the device containing /, followed by the inode of / |
| 18:58.36 | karsten | \amethyst: Ah.... |
| 18:58.38 | karsten | \amethyst: 1792/2 |
| 18:58.52 | karsten | \amethyst: ... inside the chroot, 2050/2 |
| 18:59.09 | \amethyst | karsten: inside the chroot, /proc/1/root gives 1792/2 ? |
| 18:59.12 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.33 | jelly | at least you know your root is... er, /dev/loop/0 (major: 7 minor:0, 7*256 + 0 = 1792) |
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| 19:00.55 | jelly | stupid stat could have at least printed it in hex! |
| 19:01.23 | karsten | \amethyst: This fails to work properly: ( "$(stat -c %d/%i /)" != "$(stat -Lc %d/%i /proc/1/root 2>/dev/null)" ) && echo "I'm chrooted" || echo "Not chrooted" |
| 19:01.39 | \amethyst | karsten: prints I'm chrooted then Not chrooted ? |
| 19:01.48 | \amethyst | karsten: oh |
| 19:01.55 | \amethyst | karsten: use [ ] |
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| 19:02.17 | \amethyst | karsten: if [ "$(stat -c %d/%i /)" != "$(stat -Lc %d/%i /proc/1/root 2>/dev/null)" ]; then ...; else ...; fi |
| 19:02.49 | \amethyst | karsten: foo && echo bar || echo baz doesn't do what you want; and ( blah != blah2 ) runs the command blah with arguments != and blah2 |
| 19:02.56 | karsten | \amethyst: chroot can't see the non-chroot's inum ;-) |
| 19:02.58 | jelly | my chroot doesn't even have /proc :-( |
| 19:03.19 | karsten | erm... fuck |
| 19:03.20 | \amethyst | yeah, you'll need /proc mounted |
| 19:03.24 | karsten | jelly: mount proc w/in it. |
| 19:04.16 | karsten | \amethyst: Also: in initrd w/ busybox, so bashism fail, sec, trying. |
| 19:04.49 | \amethyst | oh, you might not have stat then |
| 19:04.56 | jelly | \amethyst: hm, why wouldn't [ test ] && echo works || echo fails work? |
| 19:05.25 | karsten | I've got stat. |
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| 19:05.40 | karsten | Unfortunately it responds "chrooted" in either instance. |
| 19:05.41 | karsten | if [ "$(stat -c %d/%i /)" != "$(stat -Lc %d/%i /proc/1/root 2>/dev/null)" ]; then echo "I'm chrooted"; else echo "I'm not chrooted"; fi |
| 19:05.58 | karsten | I also had eto create /dev/null |
| 19:06.07 | jelly | heh |
| 19:06.46 | karsten | Damnecd bitbucked was full. |
| 19:06.56 | jelly | /proc/1/root is lying in my chroot. |
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| 19:07.48 | jelly | (if it wasn't, you could easily cd /proc/1/root and step out of it) |
| 19:08.00 | karsten | Oh. Needs root perms. |
| 19:08.05 | karsten | Testing out of chroot as user. |
| 19:08.29 | blackbeard2000 | justin: i dont get it... i have: while ! mount /dev/dvd;dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd;do eject -d /dev/dvd;done |
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| 19:08.41 | jelly | googling for "detecting chroot linux" is probably less fun |
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| 19:09.06 | karsten | !beer \amethyst |
| 19:09.06 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for \amethyst |
| 19:09.12 | blackbeard2000 | err withoiut -d: while ! mount /dev/dvd;dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd;do eject /dev/dvd;done |
| 19:09.17 | karsten | \amethyst: That's it. |
| 19:09.19 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:10.08 | helo | sorry to be a dousche, but does lenny's openssh server need to be upgraded? |
| 19:10.11 | helo | douche heh |
| 19:10.39 | jelly | karsten: what's the use case? Can you just check for presence of something mounted on /sys or /proc? |
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| 19:11.58 | blackbeard2000 | it first should close the tray... which "mount /dev/dvd" or "eject -t /dev/dvd" does... then it should look with "dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd" if there is a ":-( no media" on stout... if yes "eject /dev/dvd" and from the beginning |
| 19:12.57 | pi__ | hey guys. how do i search which package does "dig" belong to? |
| 19:13.08 | ashbringer | This isn't precisely related to Debian, but I'm a GPG user who would like to regenerate my keypair because of the recent SHA-1 issues. What type of key should I make? I asked in #gnupg and the response was RSA/Elg, but that doesn't seem available in my gpg installation. What parameters are others using to regenerate their keys? |
| 19:13.08 | pi__ | using apt-get |
| 19:13.19 | jelly | karsten: and the winner is google: Check if the dev/inode pair of /proc/1/exe (use stat on that path, it won't follow the symlink by text but by the underlying hook) matches /sbin/init |
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| 19:13.41 | blackbeard2000 | or is there a spezial channer, where i could beg for help? like #bash-gurus or something? |
| 19:13.56 | jelly | /proc/1/root was close enough |
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| 19:16.09 | jelly | blackbeard2000: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:16.38 | blackbeard2000 | jelly : it first should close the tray... which "mount /dev/dvd" or "eject -t /dev/dvd" does... then it should look with "dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd" if there is a ":-( no media" on stout... if yes "eject /dev/dvd" and from the beginning |
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| 19:17.19 | jelly | you have to follow the while ...; by do immediately, and you have an ; in between |
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| 19:17.49 | blackbeard2000 | jelly: i am at: while ! mount /dev/dvd;dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd;do eject /dev/dvd;done |
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| 19:18.36 | blackbeard2000 | which doesnt work and doesnt chech if there is a ":-( no media" |
| 19:18.40 | blackbeard2000 | check |
| 19:18.46 | jelly | blackbeard2000: right. You can't use "mount /dev/dvd;dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd" there. |
| 19:18.56 | jelly | only one command |
| 19:19.07 | helo | ok, i'll have to do this the hard way... |
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| 19:19.18 | abrotman | dpkg!!!!! |
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| 19:20.10 | jelly | blackbeard2000: so, what are you trying to accomplish with this? |
| 19:20.11 | RosaLaser | CIAO |
| 19:20.11 | helo | omg i read on slashdot that debian's openssh is vulnerable to a remote exploit!!! |
| 19:20.14 | jelly | helo: nowai! |
| 19:20.20 | helo | how do i keep all of the hackerrs out! |
| 19:20.35 | simonrvn | oh shut up |
| 19:20.41 | xolemi | turn the 'puter off! |
| 19:20.49 | abrotman | helo: for which CVE ? |
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| 19:21.15 | simonrvn | probably that old, fixed one... |
| 19:21.17 | blackbeard2000 | jelly my cdrom needs _several_ tries to recognize my media in it... about 50 times open/close the cd-tray... i feel like a DJ now |
| 19:21.36 | simonrvn | HEY mr DJ! |
| 19:21.41 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 19:21.48 | blackbeard2000 | lol *not really laughing* |
| 19:22.11 | simonrvn | just trying to lighten your mood |
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| 19:22.25 | jelly | blackbeard2000: use better media, can't fix everything in software? |
| 19:22.31 | blackbeard2000 | more *getting nuts about this* dont worry simonrvn |
| 19:22.49 | jelly | blackbeard2000: what purpose does the mediainfo command serve? |
| 19:22.55 | blackbeard2000 | jelly argh.. at the moment all shops are closed |
| 19:23.07 | jelly | blackbeard2000: so do it tomorrow |
| 19:23.21 | abrotman | helo: ? |
| 19:23.31 | blackbeard2000 | jelly mediainfo shows the media-info ;) if it doesnt recognize the media it shows: :-( no media |
| 19:23.45 | helo | the best info i could find was that it was 'fixed' in openssh 5.2, but lenny has 5.1p1 |
| 19:23.54 | jelly | blackbeard2000: and what if there is media? |
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| 19:24.36 | abrotman | helo: how about a slashdot url ? |
| 19:24.36 | jelly | helo: I suggest looking at debian's package changelog and taking notice of relevant CVE numbers. |
| 19:24.46 | helo | yep, there it is... |
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| 19:25.08 | abrotman | helo: if you're talking about the lack of randomness .. been long fixed |
| 19:25.44 | helo | abrotman: CPNI-957037 Plaintext Recovery Attack |
| 19:25.57 | abrotman | waits for a URL |
| 19:25.58 | helo | it is fixed, btw... |
| 19:26.16 | blackbeard2000 | jelly: when there is media... the scrip should stop |
| 19:26.25 | blackbeard2000 | script |
| 19:26.32 | helo | abrotman: http://www.google.com/search?q=CPNI-957037+Plaintext+Recovery+Attack |
| 19:26.32 | jelly | blackbeard2000: and not mount anything? |
| 19:26.38 | blackbeard2000 | no dont mount |
| 19:26.46 | blackbeard2000 | its an empty media |
| 19:26.56 | jelly | blackbeard2000: for starters, move your do right after "while ! mount /dev/dvd; " |
| 19:27.05 | blackbeard2000 | the mount was just for closing the tray |
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| 19:27.20 | Supaplex | craigubuntu2: why did you reinstall apache etc? |
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| 19:27.41 | jelly | blackbeard2000: then put the mount at the end of the do loop, after eject. |
| 19:28.08 | craigubuntu2 | hey all i want to install apache and php5 in debian - I had it installed but wasnt working properly - can someone give me the apt command i use to make sure i get it installed correctly pls |
| 19:28.10 | jelly | blackbeard2000: did you verify mediainfo returns sensible exit status? |
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| 19:28.42 | jelly | helo: what's the /. article url? |
| 19:28.45 | Supaplex | craigubuntu2: aptitude install package1 package2 ... |
| 19:28.51 | \amethyst | craigubuntu2: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 19:29.17 | blackbeard2000 | jelly sorry.. what? if i checked if mediainfo works at all? yes i did that... on the same media sometimes it shows the mediainfo, when it recognized it |
| 19:29.28 | craigubuntu2 | hi amethyst will that install both php5 and apache? |
| 19:29.46 | cwvh | hello, I've had a file accidently deleted and running `--reinstall install' on the package doesn't seem to actually "re-add" the file, am I missing something? |
| 19:29.48 | Supaplex | !tell craigubuntu2 -about search |
| 19:29.53 | \amethyst | craigubuntu2: it is php5 (the apache module version) and depends on apache2 |
| 19:30.02 | Supaplex | !tell cwvh -about confmiss |
| 19:30.16 | jelly | blackbeard2000: I mean, does the mediainfo command return "false" (nonzero status) when there's no media, and "true" (exit status of 0) when there's some media? |
| 19:30.18 | \amethyst | craigubuntu2: it won't give you the command-line php5; you'll also need php5-cli for that |
| 19:30.25 | cwvh | Supaplex: thanks |
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| 19:30.43 | craigubuntu2 | ahh ok thanks amethyst will give it a go |
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| 19:30.56 | blackbeard2000 | jelly it returns: ":-( no media" on stout when there is no media recognized |
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| 19:31.25 | jelly | blackbeard2000: and what's its return status in this case? what does echo $? say right after you run mediainfo? |
| 19:31.54 | helo | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/21/1824220 |
| 19:32.02 | blackbeard2000 | jelly sorry again... what do you mean with echo $? |
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| 19:32.27 | helo | $? - success of the previous command |
| 19:32.31 | simonrvn | shell command |
| 19:32.39 | simonrvn | that ^^ |
| 19:32.49 | simonrvn | man bash for more info |
| 19:32.49 | jelly | blackbeard2000: unix commands have numeric return status which indicate their general success or failure. after a command is run, its status is in shell variable $?. Run your mediainfo command alone, then run "echo $?" immediately afterwards. |
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| 19:33.39 | blackbeard2000 | # echo $? gives "251" right after it |
| 19:33.42 | jelly | blackbeard2000: this exit status is what is used with if, while and similar shell constructs. |
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| 19:34.10 | blackbeard2000 | didnt know that.. nice |
| 19:34.11 | jelly | blackbeard2000: all right. and does it say "0" when you put some normal media? |
| 19:34.26 | blackbeard2000 | wait a moment please |
| 19:34.54 | jelly | if it does, then it means you can use it with "if" (or "while") in a logical way. |
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| 19:35.54 | blackbeard2000 | jelly : a "moment" could be lnger... about >20 open/close of tray |
| 19:35.57 | blackbeard2000 | longer |
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| 19:36.11 | jelly | blackbeard2000: you dno't have any other medium that works faster? |
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| 19:36.37 | blackbeard2000 | jelly i try now with one that worked before for sure |
| 19:36.40 | jelly | it doesn't matter what's on it, just that it's formatted |
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| 19:38.17 | SpeeFak | namt |
| 19:38.25 | SpeeFak | jmd da der sich mit shells auskennt ? |
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| 19:42.20 | deus___ | SpeeFak: #debian.de is better suited for german talking |
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| 19:43.29 | SpeeFak | ok i thought i was right here ;) |
| 19:43.40 | blackbeard2000 | deus___: debian-de is mostly dead with idlers only... IMHO |
| 19:43.45 | SpeeFak | bye |
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| 19:44.09 | deus___ | well, then he should talk english here ;) |
| 19:44.30 | jelly | helo: the attack seems to be hugely impractical, and requires that a user _not notice_ something broke his ssh connection for about 260000 times. |
| 19:44.35 | bor0 | how can I set "vi" by default to show line numbers? (:set number) |
| 19:44.43 | blackbeard2000 | is getting really nuts now... another dvd+rw-medium... which allways worked.. doesnt work now, too |
| 19:45.13 | blackbeard2000 | may there be a kernel-problem with DVD+RE-drives? |
| 19:45.18 | jelly | blackbeard2000: you did make a couple hundred spinup/spindowns in the meantime. |
| 19:45.19 | blackbeard2000 | RW |
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| 19:45.29 | blackbeard2000 | jelly: jep |
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| 19:46.01 | jelly | blackbeard2000: don't blame the kernel for your crappy hardware. |
| 19:46.02 | amphi | bor0: echo 'set number' >> ~/.vimrc (if you mean vim) |
| 19:46.04 | Supaplex | rw media can be over sensitive to scratching :( I hate the stuff. |
| 19:46.15 | Supaplex | ^5's jelly |
| 19:46.20 | helo | heh |
| 19:46.31 | blackbeard2000 | jelly: ;) i have the "feeling" all worked better with a 2.4-kernel |
| 19:46.46 | bor0 | thank you |
| 19:48.46 | jelly | blackbeard2000: 6-10 years ago the media you had was different. |
| 19:48.56 | blackbeard2000 | jelly dont we get it working with !return status=251 ? |
| 19:48.57 | jelly | blackbeard2000: and your hardware was newer, too |
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| 19:49.54 | blackbeard2000 | i mean... with status 251... eject again... wnd when status is not 251.. stop script |
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| 19:50.13 | jelly | blackbeard2000: how do you know it won't be 251 again? |
| 19:50.24 | blackbeard2000 | just guess |
| 19:51.00 | blackbeard2000 | i dont get a working mediainfo now for _several_ times |
| 19:51.11 | mrAZ | i thought nvidia-kernel is in squeeze main non-free but it is not. where ? |
| 19:53.15 | jelly | blackbeard2000: something like "while ! dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd 2>&1 | grep 'no media'; do eject /dev/dvd; eject -t /dev/dvd; done" might or might not work |
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| 19:53.52 | blackbeard2000 | ... |
| 19:54.13 | blackbeard2000 | is ther a command to reset the bus, the dvd-drive or something? |
| 19:55.34 | mrAZ | !dpkg |
| 19:55.43 | jelly | !test |
| 19:55.48 | jelly | apt: hi |
| 19:55.48 | apt | privet, jelly |
| 19:55.49 | kanon-mat | i see nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64, in non-free |
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| 19:56.23 | blackbeard2000 | there are some strange sounds from the dvd-drive too, when a DVD-+RW is inserted... like "klick-klack"... that sound i dont have when a CD-R is insertet.. but then all works fine btw |
| 19:56.23 | kanon-mat | oh, i chrooted wrong, nmv |
| 19:56.40 | mrAZ | kanon-mat: i dont see any. i need common, was in non free before i am nearly sure |
| 19:57.15 | jelly | blackbeard2000: at this point I can only say "please ask in ##hardware about your hardware issues" |
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| 19:57.19 | hark | mrAZ: enable contrib |
| 19:57.47 | mrAZ | hark: i have - squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 19:57.58 | blackbeard2000 | i know i have hardware-issues with it.. but sometimes it works nevertheless... and thats why i need that script ;) |
| 19:58.08 | jelly | blackbeard2000: and you got one. |
| 19:58.13 | jelly | blackbeard2000: does it not work? |
| 19:58.15 | G69 | LINDO A TVI TEVE O QUE MERECEU! |
| 19:58.23 | blackbeard2000 | i got one? |
| 19:58.40 | blackbeard2000 | oh right.. that one with mount |
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| 19:58.58 | blackbeard2000 | ok, i will try with an allready written media |
| 19:59.02 | jelly | blackbeard2000: yes, I've told you a version that might loop on what you want. |
| 19:59.12 | hark | mrAZ: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/nvidia-kernel-common |
| 19:59.19 | jelly | and there's no "mount" in there, blackbeard2000 |
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| 19:59.57 | oxi | hi |
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| 19:59.59 | oxi | what's the default apache user in debian? |
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| 20:00.01 | blackbeard2000 | jelly : sorry i was a moment without connection.. was it in that time? |
| 20:00.18 | emorris | hi, i'm trying to install firmware for an Edimax wireless card (lspci gives chipset as RaLink RT2561/RT61). the linux firmware that came on a disk is a .bin file, but when I try to run it I get "-bash: ./rt2561.bin: Permission denied". If I copy it off the disk then try to run it I get "-bash: ./rt2561.bin: cannot execute binary file". Any ideas? |
| 20:00.24 | jelly | blackbeard2000: something like "while ! dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd 2>&1 | grep 'no media'; do eject /dev/dvd; eject -t /dev/dvd; done" might or might not work |
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| 20:01.10 | blackbeard2000 | jelly: i wil try that. thanks if it works |
| 20:01.23 | blackbeard2000 | and if it doesnt wok.. thanks, too ;) |
| 20:01.26 | jelly | blackbeard2000: don't leave it running forever. |
| 20:01.26 | blackbeard2000 | work |
| 20:01.35 | hark | emorris: there is a firmware-ralink package in debian |
| 20:02.01 | G69 | MARINHO E PINTO AO PODER! DESMASCAROU A TVI TOTALMENTE! TOTALMENTE!!!! |
| 20:02.07 | oxi | how can I find out what user apache is running under? |
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| 20:02.37 | jelly | emorris: in linux, you usually don't run the firmware like that, if that file really is a firmware image. |
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| 20:02.58 | jelly | emorris: what does "file rt2561.bin" say? |
| 20:03.44 | emorris | jelly: ah, "rt2561.bin: Minix filesystem, 30 char names" |
| 20:03.55 | jelly | emorris: in general, firmware images are merely copied to /lib/firmware, and the kernel module for your card will be able to pick them up at modprobe time |
| 20:04.02 | emorris | hark: just having a look |
| 20:04.18 | emorris | jelly: tried that, but didn't work |
| 20:04.20 | jelly | oxi: debian defaults to user www-data |
| 20:04.28 | blackbeard2000 | jelly: wtf... i waited now a few minutes before the next mediainfo... and it worked... return-status is 0 then |
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| 20:05.00 | jelly | blackbeard2000: well, now you can use it. Supposedly. |
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| 20:05.22 | oxi | jelly: thanks! |
| 20:05.41 | jelly | emorris: http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=rt61&term=key |
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| 20:06.59 | jelly | emorris: I'm clueless about the proper way of dealing with rt61... defering you to the bot's factoids |
| 20:07.30 | jelly | but firmware isn't run from shell (unless it comes in a self-extracting script) |
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| 20:07.55 | blackbeard2000 | jelly: maybe it really is that i waited not long enough.. maybe a wait for 1 second before mediainfo... next time 2 seconds... 3 seconds might be an approach |
| 20:08.43 | jelly | oxi: grep -R 'User ' /etc/apache2 |
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| 20:08.47 | emorris | jelly: just trying the firmware-ralink package |
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| 20:09.31 | jelly | blackbeard2000: or just let the machine cool down until tomorrow, and try better quality media |
| 20:09.54 | blackbeard2000 | *g* |
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| 20:09.58 | jelly | blackbeard2000: I find Verbatim dvd+r to have decent lifetime. |
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| 20:10.10 | blackbeard2000 | who is the master? me or my machine? :) |
| 20:10.27 | jelly | who is the idiot, you or the people helping? |
| 20:10.59 | blackbeard2000 | if i have to guess: me |
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| 20:11.17 | jelly | debatable |
| 20:11.22 | emorris | hark: it works! thanks! |
| 20:11.26 | emorris | thanks too jelly |
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| 20:12.39 | blackbeard2000 | jelly : dont be angry... your script will help me with other things, too... not just that cd-problem.. its reuseable |
| 20:13.16 | arinko | I'm lost trying to figure this out -- when I look in the outbox on the server the messages are there, but when I look in the outbox on the person's computer, they don't show up. |
| 20:13.33 | lindenle | Ok guys got the partition table back using testdisk |
| 20:13.43 | lindenle | now I had everything under an LVM partition |
| 20:13.46 | arinko | (They're using Thunderbird on an MSOS box.) |
| 20:13.51 | lindenle | how can I mount that and get the files off? |
| 20:14.16 | jelly | blackbeard2000: not angry, more tired |
| 20:15.23 | hark | lindenle: use vgchange |
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| 20:15.55 | blackbeard2000 | jelly it doesnt matter if it helps with the actual problem.. i thank you very much for the help! you have something good now |
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| 20:18.45 | cusco | hi |
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| 20:22.07 | mythomaniac | is there such a thing as a non-x-window pdf reader? |
| 20:22.25 | Polarina1 | mythomaniac: No. |
| 20:22.36 | mythomaniac | drag thanks Polarina1 |
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| 20:23.13 | jelly | mythomaniac: sure. It's called a printer. :-> |
| 20:23.14 | lindenle | What is the most recent kernel version for debian |
| 20:23.19 | alturiak | you could quite easily extract text from pdfs using perl, but I'm pretty sure there's already a solution for that :) |
| 20:23.22 | hark | framebuffer pdf readers |
| 20:23.30 | lindenle | i need to reinstall my boot partition |
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| 20:23.39 | mythomaniac | hehe jelly |
| 20:23.42 | jelly | pdf2text doesn't always work. |
| 20:24.44 | jelly | er, pdftotext (package xpdf-utils) |
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| 20:25.05 | hark | mythomaniac: fbgs is one, uses ghostscript to convert it to images and then uses fbi to view it |
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| 20:25.33 | lindenle | How do I reinstall grub to the mbr of /dev/sda? |
| 20:25.42 | jelly | lindenle: in any debian release, getting linux-image-2.6-flavor will install the latest supported package. |
| 20:25.42 | mythomaniac | hark, yeah i'm looking up now ;) |
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| 20:25.50 | zxd | is there an option in /etc/sudoers where you list only group name and that let's you run commands as whatever user I want as long as he's a member of that group name ? |
| 20:26.08 | jelly | lindenle: the "flavor" part depends on your architecture and featureset you want |
| 20:26.53 | jelly | lindenle: man grub-install for that other question |
| 20:26.57 | nkuttler | zxd: man 5 sudoers |
| 20:27.34 | mythomaniac | hark, thanks again! |
| 20:28.11 | jelly | lindenle: use something like "apt-cache search linux-image-2.6-" to find out available flavors |
| 20:28.18 | zxd | nkuttler: I couldn't figuire it out , is it possible ? |
| 20:28.38 | jelly | zxd: it is. |
| 20:28.41 | zxd | there is a Runas_User %group alias |
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| 20:29.13 | lindenle | Thanks jelly |
| 20:30.05 | jelly | zxd: hm, I misunderstood you |
| 20:30.15 | jelly | misread* |
| 20:30.40 | zxd | Yea |
| 20:30.44 | zxd | that's what I mean |
| 20:30.52 | nkuttler | zxd: there's even an example in the default sudoers file |
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| 20:31.06 | nkuttler | # %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 20:31.08 | zxd | allow sudo based on the destination user not source |
| 20:31.26 | nkuttler | ah |
| 20:31.30 | jelly | zxd: do it with a script! :-) |
| 20:31.35 | nkuttler | yes, script |
| 20:31.42 | zxd | what you mean |
| 20:31.55 | lindenle | I keep getting a failure on symbolic link when I install the kernel image |
| 20:31.58 | lindenle | what does that mean |
| 20:32.08 | nkuttler | !tell lindenle about errors |
| 20:32.22 | zxd | so what is this Runas_User %group used for ? how can you run a command as group |
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| 20:33.43 | nkuttler | zxd: it's all in the manpage it seems. Runas_Spec |
| 20:34.18 | jelly | nkuttler: dpkg is dead |
| 20:34.44 | nkuttler | lindenle: paste full error + command |
| 20:34.53 | jelly | pastebin*, even |
| 20:35.03 | nkuttler | right |
| 20:35.13 | jelly | lindenle: eg. on http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 20:37.53 | zxd | nkuttler: Runas group ? |
| 20:38.00 | jelly | zxd: sounds like "jelly ALL=(%lusers) ALL" would make me able to run any commmands as members of group lusers |
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| 20:40.02 | jelly | zxd: see the examples for Runas_Spec and the explanations; also see the possible stuff to put in Runas_Member above |
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| 20:41.06 | jelly | zxd: unfortunately you have to be able to read the BNF syntax to understand it |
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| 20:42.06 | jelly | zxd: the gist is, after the = you may put (...) before a command, and inside that () put a list of users that you can run the commands as. |
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| 20:43.59 | craigubuntu2 | hey all, ok i got apache reinstalled and working |
| 20:44.10 | jelly | zxd: that's what Runas_Spec, Runas_List, and Runas_Member definitions mean |
| 20:44.28 | craigubuntu2 | but i got a no issue with my sites-enabled/default |
| 20:44.41 | zxd | where do you see Runas_Member |
| 20:44.41 | jelly | no issues = good. |
| 20:45.15 | craigubuntu2 | Whenever I turn on AllowOverides all on the site stops processing php files and tries to download a phtml file |
| 20:45.22 | craigubuntu2 | lol |
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| 20:45.25 | jelly | zxd: a couple pages before Runas_Spec :-| |
| 20:45.48 | zxd | seems to be working |
| 20:45.50 | zxd | I dont have it |
| 20:45.53 | zxd | jelly member |
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| 20:46.24 | jelly | zxd: Runas_User on my etch machine |
| 20:46.45 | craigubuntu2 | I need to rewrite URL's so it uses a .htaccess in the web folder for that, but the Virtual host configuration is not letting me turn on Allow overide on - whic i believe allows the processing of the .htaccess file? Is that right? |
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| 20:46.57 | lindenle | Ok so I have grub reinstalled a kernel and I am trying to boot by hand from grub, but it is hanging at the mounting root partition. |
| 20:47.11 | zxd | jelly it works |
| 20:47.19 | zxd | jamesk ALL=(%it) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 20:47.21 | jelly | lindenle: did you give a correct initrd image? |
| 20:47.43 | zxd | makes jamesk be able to run all commands as any user that is memeber of group it |
| 20:47.48 | zxd | jelly |
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| 20:48.07 | jelly | zxd: yay. Great. Please stop highlighting me. |
| 20:48.08 | zxd | hardcore |
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| 20:48.12 | zxd | ok |
| 20:48.13 | zxd | jelly |
| 20:48.32 | jelly | heh |
| 20:48.34 | xolemi | jelly? |
| 20:48.50 | Supaplex | jelly and peanut butter sammiches |
| 20:48.52 | jelly | xolemi!*@* added to ignore list. :-) |
| 20:49.04 | xolemi | onoes!!!!!!!!111111eleven |
| 20:49.22 | xolemi | I've been ignored by jelly! but what about peanut butter!?!? |
| 20:49.23 | Supaplex | apt: say jelly and peanut butter sammiches for everyone! |
| 20:49.24 | apt | jelly and peanut butter sammiches for everyone! |
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| 20:49.39 | jelly | apt: penixstrike Supaplex |
| 20:49.40 | apt | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Supaplex to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:49.40 | xotoko | did someone say jelly? |
| 20:49.57 | xolemi | lawl |
| 20:49.59 | Supaplex | jelly: xotoko is calling you |
| 20:50.18 | jelly | Supaplex: too late, I'm already afk |
| 20:50.32 | xolemi | good. get that keyboard cleaned out |
| 20:50.41 | Supaplex | jelly: ahh. okay. |
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| 20:50.56 | Supaplex | jelly: btw, how do you spell your nick? |
| 20:50.58 | zu22 | on debian squeeze i upgraded to apache2.4 and now my /etc/init.d/apache2 script is gone |
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| 20:51.07 | zu22 | anyone know how i can extract the original script? |
| 20:51.09 | mrAZ | what happened to dpkg ??? |
| 20:51.20 | jelly | Supaplex: I can't spell, the tab key does it automagically |
| 20:51.26 | Supaplex | zu22: was it custom? |
| 20:51.28 | zu22 | the script is there but it is size 0 now :( |
| 20:51.33 | zu22 | Supaplex: nope not custom |
| 20:51.45 | zu22 | Supaplex: just teh one that came with the package, i never edited it |
| 20:51.50 | Supaplex | zu22: install the 2.2 package I guess. |
| 20:51.56 | jelly | zu22: isn't it /etc/init.d/apache? |
| 20:52.24 | zu22 | jelly: nope for apache2 it is /etc/init.d/apache2 at least it is on squeeze |
| 20:53.18 | jelly | zu22: where did you get apache2.4 from? |
| 20:53.32 | jelly | oh great, judd's dead too |
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| 20:53.50 | jelly | %test |
| 20:53.56 | zu22 | how can i extract the init.d script from apache2.2-common? i did a dpkg-reconfigure and that did nothing |
| 20:54.05 | zu22 | jelly: i got it from a debian mirror |
| 20:54.27 | zu22 | i have the apache2.2-common .deb but i forget how to unpack it |
| 20:54.57 | zu22 | can i use tar? |
| 20:55.06 | jelly | zu22: search for confmiss on http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 20:55.53 | jelly | zu22: I don't see 2.4 in i386 squeeze. care to pastebin your apt-cache policy apache2.4 (or whatever the package you installed was called)? |
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| 20:57.11 | craigubuntu2 | amethyst you there? |
| 20:57.20 | craigubuntu2 | or jelly! |
| 20:57.29 | jelly | zu22: man dpkg-deb will tell you you use --extract |
| 20:57.34 | jxberth | hey guys. Ive been trying to get a joystick to work (actually its an industrial machine controller) by plugging its DA-15 male connector to the sound card gameport without success, the joystick isnt even getting any power since the LEDs stay off. Any ideas how get it to work? |
| 20:57.51 | zu22 | jelly: http://zu22.pastebin.com/f51c0eb98 |
| 20:57.57 | zxd | I dont understand what's the Host option used in sudo , is it for users connecting via ssh ? |
| 20:58.12 | simonrvn | ar x foo.deb data.tar.gz |
| 20:58.12 | Supaplex | jxberth: modconf and load the right joystick module. |
| 20:59.03 | Supaplex | zxd: its for the same sudoers file being using over your entire network. maybe you only want people restarting services x,y,z on hosts 1,2,3 etc. |
| 20:59.22 | jelly | zu22: so you have /etc/init.d/apache2. And some backup files, it seems. |
| 20:59.28 | jxberth | Supaplex: its not really a joystick.. its a comtroller |
| 20:59.30 | zu22 | jelly: yeah |
| 20:59.32 | jxberth | controller* |
| 20:59.38 | jelly | zu22: what's the problem? |
| 20:59.48 | zu22 | jelly: every time i did an upgrade it added a new file in there and zero'd them all out :( |
| 20:59.51 | jxberth | Supaplex: so I dont know what driver to use for it |
| 21:00.03 | Supaplex | jxberth: it's in the joystick port? assumidly compatible with a joystick of some sort? |
| 21:00.03 | zu22 | jelly: anyway i can prevent this from happening again? |
| 21:00.08 | zxd | Supaplex: how is the same sudores file published via entire network |
| 21:00.10 | jelly | zu22: put your backups somewhere else? |
| 21:00.21 | zu22 | jelly: ok |
| 21:00.21 | zxd | netgroup? |
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| 21:00.29 | Supaplex | zxd: when you copy it? if it's nfsshared? |
| 21:00.37 | craigubuntu2 | jelly anygood with vhost config? |
| 21:00.48 | jelly | craigubuntu2: #apache might be. |
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| 21:01.05 | zu22 | jelly: thanks for your help man |
| 21:01.35 | craigubuntu2 | Its apache 2.2 - i got a problem with it not processing php or rewriting URLs |
| 21:01.38 | craigubuntu2 | not sure which |
| 21:01.53 | craigubuntu2 | hang i will paste bin the htaccess and vhosts |
| 21:02.00 | jelly | zu22: you could file a minor bug on apache2.2-common if it's overwriting unrelated files |
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| 21:02.31 | zu22 | jelly: ok, what is the preferred method for filing a bug report in squeeze? |
| 21:02.42 | jelly | zu22: reportbug |
| 21:02.50 | zu22 | jelly: cool thx |
| 21:03.18 | jelly | zu22: http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug |
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| 21:04.18 | zu22 | jelly: thx |
| 21:04.23 | jelly | craigubuntu2: I only know that .htaccess doesn't work with suPHP, and that's pretty much it. |
| 21:04.53 | Supaplex | why does suphp exist if there's suexec? |
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| 21:05.05 | jelly | Supaplex: suexec ain't good enough |
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| 21:05.21 | Supaplex | wow. so descriptive. |
| 21:05.50 | jelly | Supaplex: yes. |
| 21:06.01 | ajavid | I have a need for Zend_Studio and its eclipse+zs plugin, which I have a current need for. I am on amd64 debian, with ia32 AND amd64 sun-java6-bin/jre installed |
| 21:06.19 | ajavid | however, Zend Studio refuses to run, giving errors in JAVA, however, on another 32bit debian machine, it works just fine |
| 21:06.26 | ajavid | any ideas guys? |
| 21:06.50 | jelly | they usually come out at night. Usually. |
| 21:06.56 | ajavid | lol |
| 21:07.04 | jelly | ;-) |
| 21:07.08 | ajavid | jelly, so what do you do during the days!? |
| 21:07.24 | jelly | sleep, duh |
| 21:07.27 | ajavid | lol |
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| 21:07.30 | ajavid | you da man bro |
| 21:07.54 | ajavid | it comes with its own installer/jre, I deleted it, specified in the config to use debian 32bit java pcakges |
| 21:07.57 | craigubuntu2 | jelly: http://pastebin.com/m36d25b18 |
| 21:08.01 | ajavid | still no dice, it refuses to run |
| 21:08.03 | Supaplex | ajavid: he evades the pb+j machine |
| 21:08.42 | jelly | Gives me crépes. |
| 21:09.04 | ajavid | cray pees? |
| 21:09.19 | ajavid | or is that just a white dot over my monitor? |
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| 21:09.33 | ajavid | no thas a little thingy on e, whatever mr. fancy pants word maker |
| 21:10.10 | jelly | or are they crepés |
| 21:10.11 | jxberth | Supaplex: what commands do I need to issue to attempt to scan any peripheral attached to the game port? |
| 21:10.12 | amphi | 'crêpes' if I recall correctly |
| 21:10.21 | jelly | !win amphi |
| 21:10.36 | amphi | damn, cheated again |
| 21:10.40 | jelly | You'd have won if dpkg had anything to say about it. |
| 21:10.41 | ajavid | you mean the really thin pancakes? |
| 21:10.45 | jelly | had had* |
| 21:10.51 | amphi | heh |
| 21:10.58 | ajavid | what the shit are you on about? |
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| 21:11.13 | ajavid | ahhhh boy. |
| 21:11.23 | jelly | ajavid: puns are missing you left and right! Duck! |
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| 21:11.32 | jelly | \_o< |
| 21:11.32 | ajavid | I'm down with the flu! |
| 21:11.38 | ajavid | I'm not down with anything else at m |
| 21:11.44 | ajavid | shits flying right over my head man |
| 21:12.08 | jxberth | how can I scan for any hardware attached to the game port on the sound card under debian? |
| 21:12.10 | amphi | <°)))>< |
| 21:12.15 | ajavid | all I can think about is how awesome zend framework is |
| 21:12.37 | ajavid | and why I can't make zend studio work in amd64 |
| 21:12.58 | ajavid | I mean, I use netbeans 6.7beta fulltime, I just needed zs for something real quick |
| 21:12.58 | jelly | jxberth: it's possible that the gameport related modules aren't getting autoloaded |
| 21:13.22 | jelly | ajavid: 32bit chroot? |
| 21:13.23 | jxberth | jelly: I have gameport and joydev loaded |
| 21:13.29 | ajavid | jelly, looks like I'll have to do that |
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| 21:13.38 | blackbeard2000 | but i need a grep from echo $? |
| 21:13.46 | ajavid | I was trying to avoid that actually on this machine particularly, but I'll just ssh over to my 32bit machine, and ssh -X it |
| 21:13.49 | ajavid | no biggie |
| 21:13.56 | ajavid | I was just trying to figure out why it wont' run on amd64 |
| 21:13.58 | blackbeard2000 | how is it the right way? |
| 21:14.34 | ajavid | the only huge thing zf is missing is ORM |
| 21:14.35 | lymeca | I read about this OpenSSH flaw on Debian... do I need to regenerate my SSH keys? |
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| 21:15.51 | blackbeard2000 | is using the right channel now |
| 21:16.06 | MrWax | Does anyone know where GPG creates a secret key? (on windows) I get this error when trying to 'gpg file.asc' - gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available - this I do on another system |
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| 21:18.09 | ajavid | I think I need some more dayquil |
| 21:18.25 | ajavid | MrWax, why are you asking here? |
| 21:18.34 | ajavid | MrWax, join ##windows |
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| 21:18.56 | jelly | lymeca: what openssh flaw? |
| 21:19.10 | MrWax | ajavid: I think gpg is also linux tool |
| 21:20.09 | RichiH | how long does a xfs_repair take on a 10 TiB partition? |
| 21:20.23 | RichiH | if everything is OK and just the superblock is of a bad length, that is |
| 21:20.25 | lymeca | jelly: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/05/21/1824220/Flaw-Made-Public-In-OpenSSH-Encryption?art_pos=32 |
| 21:20.26 | jelly | MrWax: on unix systems, it's in $HOME/.gnupg/secring.gpg |
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| 21:20.33 | jelly | lymeca: ignore it. |
| 21:20.37 | RichiH | if everything is _not_ fine, i can shoot myself |
| 21:20.40 | lymeca | Why? |
| 21:20.43 | streuner | RichiH: heh |
| 21:21.20 | jelly | lymeca: or you can read the original article, understand the attack mode, and then ignore it |
| 21:21.36 | lymeca | I did read the article. |
| 21:21.48 | MrWax | jelly: secring.gpg - ok thanks - already thought that it's in C:\Users\user\AppData\Roaming\gnupg here, can I just easily import that key on my linux system? |
| 21:21.55 | lymeca | I am using Lenny or higher, so I have version 5.1 whihc I don't think is affected |
| 21:21.59 | MrWax | jelly: where should I best put that file in order to import it? |
| 21:22.09 | lymeca | But my keys may have been generated with the vulnerable version in the past prior to that upgrade. |
| 21:22.10 | jelly | lymeca: the attack mode is highly impractical |
| 21:22.25 | lymeca | It just involves sniffing enough traffic. |
| 21:22.29 | ajavid | MrWax, yes, but you said on windows, you want to know where linux stores the gpg key or windows? |
| 21:22.33 | jelly | lymeca: nope |
| 21:22.45 | ajavid | MrWax, MrWax> Does anyone know where GPG creates a secret key? (on windows) -- /join ##windows |
| 21:23.30 | ajavid | 10TiB |
| 21:23.31 | jelly | lymeca: it involves breaking the ssh connection 2**18 times to get 50% chance and the user _not noticing_ it |
| 21:23.33 | ajavid | damn. |
| 21:24.48 | jelly | lymeca: so if your users reconnect often enough, and ignore thousands of ssh connections dying, you might be in a spot of trouble |
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| 21:25.30 | lymeca | Hmm, well wouldn't it just be best to regenerate the keys if they are vulnerable at all no matter how impractical the attack? |
| 21:26.01 | jelly | lymeca: I'd try to understand the attack before deploying any countermeasures. |
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| 21:28.11 | craigubuntu2 | 904 people in the room and not a clue? |
| 21:28.15 | twinkie_addict | will debian install to a usb stick ? |
| 21:28.50 | Freejack | I'm gonna be downloading the Debian stable ISOs. Do I need all the disks or just the first few to get the system up and running? |
| 21:29.16 | marsje | General question: what would you use if you wanted to have a file server using IPv6? NFS? Samba? Other? |
| 21:29.30 | marsje | Freejack: I think you only need one disk and an internet connection |
| 21:29.43 | jelly | craigubuntu2: maybe you're in the wrong room. |
| 21:29.56 | ajavid | amphi, I've got Acute viral rhinopharyngitis |
| 21:29.59 | craigubuntu2 | yah i am thinking that too! |
| 21:30.11 | ajavid | :( |
| 21:30.14 | jelly | ajavid: but is it a cute _swine_? |
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| 21:30.23 | streuner | dpkg, wb |
| 21:30.23 | dpkg | thanks, streuner. It's good to be back. |
| 21:30.24 | jelly | no, it's a rhino. |
| 21:30.47 | amphi | ajavid: that's disgusting |
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| 21:31.33 | ajavid | i know |
| 21:31.39 | ajavid | I'm living on dayquil, sleeping on nyquil |
| 21:31.56 | ajavid | it will last about another week or week and half |
| 21:32.05 | ajavid | I can't wait for it to be over |
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| 21:33.27 | jpinx-eeepc | I've got a hdd with 2 partitions on it that I want to merge. The first partition has data, but the following one doesn't and I just want to add it on. Any pointers on how to get a filesystem onto that part of the partition after I fdisk it ? |
| 21:33.48 | xorl | There anyway to build and apt-get list of packages installed so i can duplicate it on another machine w/out having to clone my install |
| 21:34.59 | MrWax | jelly: how can I import that key on another system (linux) with gpg? |
| 21:35.04 | xorl | dpkg --get-selections |
| 21:35.04 | dpkg | xorl: are you using Windows? |
| 21:35.07 | xorl | that should work |
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| 21:35.32 | Wyzard | jpinx-eeepc: Are they both primary partitions? |
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| 21:36.06 | jpinx-eeepc | Wyzard: yes |
| 21:36.16 | jpinx-eeepc | I think I can just do resizefs |
| 21:36.46 | jpinx-eeepc | just been reading a bit more :) |
| 21:36.52 | Wyzard | jpinx-eeepc: Use fdisk to delete the two partitions and create a single primary partition in their place |
| 21:36.57 | jelly | MrWax: sorry, I'd have to read the manual instead of you to answer that. Search for importing a secret key or just put the file in the correct place. |
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| 21:37.07 | bododo | hi folks :) |
| 21:37.10 | Wyzard | jpinx-eeepc: Then you can use resize2fs or whatever |
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| 21:37.57 | jpinx-eeepc | Wyzard: thanks - that's cool - I'm on the last stages of eliminating a NTFS ona drive with not much spare space....;) |
| 21:38.05 | bododo | got a "stupid" question, does the debian-501-powerpc-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso image include Xorg, and the base system? |
| 21:38.11 | MrWax | ok |
| 21:38.13 | MrWax | jelly: ok |
| 21:38.41 | MrWax | jelly: you might know where gpg stores new imported keys of a certain user? |
| 21:39.03 | jelly | bododo: since xfce or lxde wouldn't work without X, I have to guess "yes" |
| 21:39.27 | Unode-[work] | Just recently updated packages to kde4 ... are all the kde4 packages in the repository? I can't seem to find any menu to configure 'eye-candy' and compiz like behavior |
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| 21:40.00 | Unode-[work] | I'm on squeeze |
| 21:40.45 | bododo | jelly: thanks! That's what I thought too :) And I guess that the base stuff (gcc, bash, gnu coreutils are included as well?) â sorry for being that uncertain, this is my first debian |
| 21:41.59 | draemon | What's the best way to create a debian install cd/floppy with a custom kernel with madwifi so I can install over wireless? |
| 21:42.34 | MrWax | Hmm, does anyone know how come when I encrypt an .iso file for example with GPG, it decreases the filesize of the encrypted file big time?? like compressing or so? |
| 21:42.37 | draemon | Stuff on the web points to boot-floppies but that seems to be old? |
| 21:42.44 | jelly | bododo: coreutils and bash are part of base system, so they're on every installed image starting from the 150MB netinst and on |
| 21:42.46 | streuner | draemon: did you read ig yet? |
| 21:42.59 | streuner | draemon: /msg dpkg ig |
| 21:42.59 | draemon | ig? |
| 21:43.14 | jelly | bododo: gcc is _most likely_ there, but I don't really know how to check the contents off the top of my head |
| 21:43.39 | streuner | draemon: are you sure only madwifi supports your chipset? |
| 21:44.25 | jelly | pines for judd |
| 21:44.29 | draemon | not 100%, but I've been wanting to learn how to do this for ages for systems that need custom modules for whatever reason |
| 21:44.47 | draemon | I did do it once, with a *patched* kernel - but never with additional modules |
| 21:45.08 | draemon | but I strung together a number of different tutorials, and I remember it being fairly convoluted |
| 21:45.22 | draemon | nothing in ig about custom kernels that I can see |
| 21:45.24 | bododo | jelly: thanks a lot! You've really helped me! Now, I feel ready to backup and switch :) |
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| 21:46.05 | jelly | bododo: if you have a decent internet connection, it's all an aptitude install away anyway |
| 21:46.20 | draemon | so is boot-floppies still in use? I can't apt-get install or apt-get source it |
| 21:46.25 | norc | Uhm, apparently git was broken up (to resolve a name conflict with a new package) in over a hundred commands |
| 21:46.38 | bododo | oh, and another question, will wifi work without much tuning with that CD? ( I guess now, with my powerpc ibook g4?) |
| 21:46.42 | norc | What exactly is the equivalent to git config --global user.name "lubin" |
| 21:46.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | bododo, http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search |
| 21:46.56 | norc | and git config --global user.email foo@bar.org |
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| 21:47.12 | bododo | jelly: well, that is, actually, my probelm: No good Internet connexion |
| 21:47.28 | streuner | mrvn, Zomb: RichiH has an important problem at work, and it seem very important for him, so i told him about you... |
| 21:47.38 | norc | Because there does not appear to be any git-config in place ;) |
| 21:47.49 | streuner | ECHAN |
| 21:47.57 | bododo | so I'm a bit worried and wanted to have a bare somthing that work before tweaking things |
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| 21:48.33 | hark | norc: git config foo |
| 21:48.57 | norc | hark: git is a filemanager now ;) |
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| 21:49.28 | RichiH | any guesstimate on how long it would take to mkfs.xfs a 10 TiB partition? |
| 21:49.32 | jetpda | sup, llamahs |
| 21:49.51 | norc | Ugh. I just realized that Im forced to use etch here. :/ |
| 21:49.59 | helo | a couple decades |
| 21:50.17 | norc | RichiH: not long :) |
| 21:50.44 | hark | norc: what does dpkg -S /usr/bin/git say? |
| 21:50.44 | jetpda | why xfs for that |
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| 21:50.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetpda, shiny |
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| 21:52.19 | norc | hark: Except for the fact, that git itself executes "the filemanager with GNU Interactive Tools" it curiously enough reports "/usr/bin/git not found" |
| 21:52.23 | jetpda | not saying good bad, just why |
| 21:52.38 | norc | even though the file is actually located there |
| 21:52.38 | hark | norc: install git-core |
| 21:52.51 | norc | hark: *sighs*. Its all installed |
| 21:52.57 | norc | I cloned the trees I need etc |
| 21:53.03 | norc | but I cant set the config I need globally |
| 21:53.23 | norc | apparently the idea was to map all commands like "git foo" to "git-foo" |
| 21:53.32 | draemon | http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Making+a+Custom+Boot+CD+for+Debian sounds exactly like what I want, but I don't know what to use instead of boot-floppies |
| 21:53.35 | norc | which they might have forgot for git-config, unless they renamed it somehow |
| 21:53.37 | draemon | this is lenny btw |
| 21:53.44 | norc | but then again, its etch, oldstable |
| 21:53.53 | jetpda | usb stick? |
| 21:54.03 | norc | mhm no, cant be etch |
| 21:54.06 | norc | says its etch though |
| 21:54.08 | norc | =) |
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| 21:55.30 | norc | well, for now I can live with using environment variables |
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| 21:56.26 | jetpda | !wb blackbeard2000 |
| 21:56.26 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! blackbeard2000 has returned! |
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| 21:56.59 | jetpda | nm... :) |
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| 21:57.05 | draemon | ok - how do the debian netinst isos get built? |
| 21:57.25 | blackbeard2000 | wtf? hi jetpda |
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| 21:57.38 | jetpda | !debian-boot |
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| 21:58.08 | jetpda | ah well |
| 21:58.09 | norc | draemon: uh, using lbcd perhaps, dunno :o |
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| 21:58.33 | blackbeard2000 | has a provider which is not really usable for IRC :( |
| 21:58.39 | hark | norc: run update-alternatives --config git |
| 21:58.57 | draemon | lbcd: Return system load via UDP for remote load balancers |
| 21:58.58 | draemon | doubt it |
| 21:59.06 | hark | norc: or remove git |
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| 21:59.32 | norc | hark: Ah. Now this is great. thanks :) |
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| 22:02.47 | norc | hark: 'config' is not a git-command. heh. anyway, I can take it from here, thanks for your help |
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| 22:09.49 | jetpda | ok 6667 is the standard irc port, what's the other? |
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| 22:11.02 | jetpda | 8something iirc |
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| 22:11.16 | hark | norc: yeah, if you want a newer git, try backports |
| 22:11.52 | jetpda | so he installed it manually eh |
| 22:12.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !freenode ports |
| 22:12.52 | dpkg | +UdontKnow> 6665, 6666, 7000, 7070, 8000, 8001, 8002 are accepted by freenode |
| 22:13.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetpda, ^^^ |
| 22:13.30 | MrWax | Does anyone know how come some files get a lot smaller in size when encrypted to .asc format with gpg? |
| 22:13.41 | hark | no, too old an version in etch |
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| 22:14.09 | jetpda | I was thinking blackbeard might try a diff one |
| 22:14.18 | jetpda | heh |
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| 22:14.57 | jetpda | blackbeard2000 try a diff port |
| 22:15.52 | jetpda | !test |
| 22:15.53 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 22:16.25 | blackbeard2000 | jetblack: ? -v why another port? |
| 22:17.15 | jetpda | they might filter it... just a thought...gah I hate typing on this |
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| 22:19.52 | elik | not upgrading a testing system for 2 weeks is baaaad |
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| 22:20.44 | Clusty | hey |
| 22:20.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | not updating it for a year is great, though :) |
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| 22:21.02 | nkuttler | using testing is bad |
| 22:21.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | not true |
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| 22:21.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends what you use testing for |
| 22:21.34 | elik | I'm wondering if I should apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade or aptitude safe/full-upgrade |
| 22:21.35 | nkuttler | you get the brokenness from sid without quick updates |
| 22:21.47 | elik | the 4 options give me 4 different results |
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| 22:21.59 | Clusty | i am having some weird problem: trying to compile a firmware for router and for that I need a bunch of special compilers/linkers. I am getting Command not found even though the stuff is in the path |
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| 22:23.22 | Clusty | executing the thing by hand i am getting no such file or directory. |
| 22:23.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I doubt it :) |
| 22:23.37 | nkuttler | !tell Clusty about errors |
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| 22:24.06 | Clusty | nkuttler: does nto help. but i will be more specific |
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| 22:24.43 | Clusty | which mipsel-linux-ld gives out: /home/vlazar/firmware_mod_kit/GPL/opt/brcm/hndtools-mipsel-linux/bin/mipsel-linux-ld |
| 22:24.49 | hark | Clusty: try a hash -r |
| 22:24.53 | jdahm | anyone know what might be causing the message: fatal: unable to allocate any listen sockets on host (null) port 9418 while setting up git daemon? |
| 22:25.24 | Clusty | mipsel-linux-ld gives out: -bash: /home/vlazar/firmware_mod_kit/GPL/opt/brcm/hndtools-mipsel-linux/bin/mipsel-linux-ld: No such file or directory |
| 22:25.51 | nkuttler | Clusty: /home/vlazar/firmware_mod_kit/GPL/opt/brcm/hndtools-mipsel-linux/bin/mipsel-linux-ld |
| 22:25.55 | nkuttler | err, file foo |
| 22:26.02 | Clusty | hark: hash -r gives nothing |
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| 22:26.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | try head -1 /home/vlazar/firmware_mod_kit/GPL/opt/brcm/hndtools-mipsel-linux/bin/mipsel-linux-l |
| 22:26.36 | hark | Clusty: nm |
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| 22:26.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's no wonder that this gives you command not found... |
| 22:26.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not in your PATH |
| 22:26.57 | Clusty | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.com/m2f391a96 |
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| 22:27.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | no need for a pastebin |
| 22:27.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | either it's one line, or I was wrong about my suspicion :) |
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| 22:28.07 | Clusty | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.com/m64c2c430 my PATH |
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| 22:29.08 | Clusty | hark: nm gives out tons of nice symbols |
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| 22:31.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | file /home/vlazar/firmware_mod_kit/GPL/opt/brcm/hndtools-mipsel-linux/bin/mipsel-linux-ld |
| 22:31.33 | Clusty | 2.2.5, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 22:31.43 | Clusty | can it be that it's a 64 bit linux machine? |
| 22:31.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | no architecture? |
| 22:31.56 | Clusty | CutMeOwnThroat: that is all it said |
| 22:32.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | /bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped |
| 22:32.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of Debian is that supposed to be |
| 22:32.22 | agaran | readelf might give more ideas.. |
| 22:32.22 | Clusty | just chekced the same one |
| 22:32.22 | Clusty | :d |
| 22:32.33 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/36823/ |
| 22:32.55 | Clusty | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.12 | sylar | how do I make a chroot? |
| 22:33.29 | Clusty | sylar: chroot <some/dire/ect/ory> |
| 22:33.40 | sylar | Clusty, I get /bin/bash not found |
| 22:33.40 | Clusty | sudo maybe in front |
| 22:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !chroot |
| 22:33.52 | dpkg | well, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 22:33.53 | sylar | and I copied bin/bash to that dir |
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| 22:34.07 | agaran | sylar: you lack then many libraries etc.. |
| 22:34.19 | sylar | CutMeOwnThroat, that is long |
| 22:34.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | sylar, need to copy it to /path/to/chroot/bin though |
| 22:34.31 | sylar | CutMeOwnThroat, I did |
| 22:35.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | sylar, /bin/bash alone is not enough... needs runtime libraries |
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| 22:35.33 | nkuttler | sylar: you should chroot to a real root fs |
| 22:36.02 | sylar | nkuttler, that worked for me in the past |
| 22:36.16 | sylar | nkuttler, but I just want to chroot to some dir in my fs now |
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| 22:37.04 | sylar | long ago someone told me how to do it for building some package |
| 22:37.12 | sylar | and it was like two lines |
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| 22:40.44 | norc | hark: yeah, but I dont feel like going backports. never liked it :/ |
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| 22:41.03 | norc | I mean, if it was my home computer fine, but this is a server that does not even belong to me ;) |
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| 22:42.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | sylar, pbuilder |
| 22:42.38 | buntfalke | Do I need "-O large_file" for 2GB or 2TB files now? the kernel taks about TB in the CONFIG_LBD help, but the manpage of mke2fs talks about GB which seems rather little |
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| 22:43.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | sylar, as the link dpkg gave you also reveales |
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| 22:50.54 | dustybin | http://xkcd.com/424/ |
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| 23:03.29 | mns | Does anyone use Juniper's SSL VPN client on squeeze ? And is it stable for you ? |
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| 23:08.20 | Dobigeon | hello |
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| 23:09.09 | tsop | Hey quick question ... Im reading the docs for madwifi with debian but it doesn't seem to be in testing, anyone know where I can get it? |
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| 23:11.29 | tsop | ah fuck this going back to arch |
| 23:11.41 | draemon | tsop: module-assistant |
| 23:12.04 | hoohah | adios |
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| 23:12.51 | streuner | only 2 minutes to decides this? Well, we dont need him |
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| 23:13.52 | hoohah | Arch: Give me your tired, your pour, your impatient masses yearning for blissful ignorance |
| 23:13.55 | hoohah | *poor |
| 23:13.59 | PingFloyd | tsop: fail |
| 23:14.22 | PingFloyd | Arch: and yearning for inferior package management |
| 23:14.41 | streuner | What they use? |
| 23:14.44 | PingFloyd | pacman |
| 23:14.55 | streuner | based on tgz or dpkg? |
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| 23:15.11 | PingFloyd | based on their own |
| 23:15.12 | hoohah | 90% of reasons to switch to Arch would be: couldn't get * done in other |
| 23:15.14 | PingFloyd | pac |
| 23:15.16 | streuner | hm |
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| 23:15.23 | hoohah | _without_ reading something |
| 23:15.30 | streuner | great :-) |
| 23:15.37 | PingFloyd | hoohah: or too lazy to rtfm on how debian package management works |
| 23:16.07 | hoohah | pacman is nice |
| 23:16.15 | PingFloyd | hoohah: pacman isn't all that great |
| 23:16.34 | hoohah | touted as superior to dpkg it seems |
| 23:16.35 | PingFloyd | hoohah: it's pretty limited |
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| 23:16.59 | hoohah | PingFloyd: yeah, i'm simply going by reviews and all of that junk |
| 23:17.16 | PingFloyd | hoohah: the reviewers didn't know apt-get/aptitude very well |
| 23:17.49 | PingFloyd | hoohah: they're the type that learned how to type apt-get install something and think they know all there is to know about that |
| 23:17.54 | deowood | does anybody have knowledge of a free shell provider that allows tunneling??? |
| 23:18.33 | hoohah | deowood: through what? |
| 23:18.40 | PingFloyd | seriously though, I'd rate pacman as a step up from Slackware's package management |
| 23:18.49 | deowood | through ssh |
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| 23:19.06 | PingFloyd | pacman isn't all bad |
| 23:19.25 | PingFloyd | but it has a tendency to fail sometimes on things that are such basic snafus |
| 23:20.01 | blackbeard2000 | justin: just FYI... I have solved it no this way... and it works perfectly: http://tsaavik.pastebin.com/d2cfced3c |
| 23:20.36 | PingFloyd | it's nice and simple to build pacman pkgs though |
| 23:20.52 | PingFloyd | and pkgbuild scripts |
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| 23:21.14 | hoohah | deowood: most don't allow port-forwarding |
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| 23:21.49 | hoohah | deowood: can you imagine how swamped by connections they'd be if they did? |
| 23:21.50 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/36826/ -- can someone tell me what i am doing wrong with parted, here? |
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| 23:23.05 | draemon | ok, I'm trying to build a custom debian cd. Roughly following http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel |
| 23:23.19 | draemon | I understand that I build the kernel as normal using make-kpkg |
| 23:23.28 | draemon | then I have to turn it into a udeb |
| 23:23.50 | draemon | if I want to add 3rd part modules - how do I turn them into udebs?. Or do I include them in the kernel udeb? |
| 23:24.06 | deowood | hoohah: well, yeah, but there must be atleast one maybe "swamped" |
| 23:24.19 | kizzo | There is a red circle with a white minus symbol in the center of it, on my GNOME desktop top bar. |
| 23:24.52 | deowood | hoohah:or maybe not as they are not commonly found. |
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| 23:27.49 | troubled | RichiH: 10TB? |
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| 23:28.43 | streuner | surely RAID (NAS) |
| 23:28.52 | RichiH | troubled: yes |
| 23:29.12 | troubled | im guessing its not liking the 10000GB notation. perhaps 100% or something? |
| 23:29.27 | troubled | i usually use cfisk myself though |
| 23:30.17 | kizzo | How do you fix something like that? |
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| 23:31.28 | smilodon | why choose debian over ubuntu? |
| 23:31.42 | streuner | smilodon: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 23:31.54 | troubled | or try #philosophy :) |
| 23:31.56 | enouf | RichiH: i dont think msdos style partition tables like anything over that size, but IINM, there's a 2TB limit |
| 23:32.21 | enouf | RichiH: try setting it up using LVM or GPT |
| 23:32.21 | hoohah | smilodon: why choose ubuntu over anything else? |
| 23:32.33 | hoohah | RichiH: not rhetorical, as it's answer may solve your question |
| 23:33.02 | troubled | ya, lvm probably be a good way to go |
| 23:33.28 | RichiH | enouf: aye, it was gpt |
| 23:33.29 | enouf | RichiH: or .. try rm the partition, write zeros to the disk - atleast the 1st 64 sectors |
| 23:33.30 | RichiH | thanks though :) |
| 23:33.37 | smilodon | hoohah it is based on debian i believe (some people might logic that it is an improvement) |
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| 23:34.08 | forrestv | i'm installing debian 5.0.1, and the installer fails to download the Release file. what does this mean? |
| 23:34.22 | hoohah | smilodon: what else? :) |
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| 23:34.42 | smilodon | idk |
| 23:34.52 | streuner | Dont feed |
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| 23:35.45 | streuner | forrestv: what kind of error? |
| 23:35.47 | PingFloyd | smilodon: ubuntu is more like a step back |
| 23:36.07 | forrestv | streuner, it just goes back to the select mirror screen |
| 23:36.42 | streuner | choose another mirror |
| 23:37.28 | bit0 | hello |
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| 23:38.44 | sylar | dpkg chroot way takes 15 min of downloads accordign to one howto |
| 23:38.45 | dpkg | sylar: I give up, what is it? |
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| 23:39.11 | macman_ | hey all #nvidia is dead .. wonder if you can help |
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| 23:39.14 | macman_ | hey i just ran a .sh script to install nvidia drivers .. how do i uninstall them ? |
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| 23:41.30 | Tramp | !why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 23:41.30 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia> <nvidia compiler fix>. |
| 23:42.10 | smilodon | PingFloyd: A careful step back? |
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| 23:43.16 | bit0 | how could i change my usb-disk permissions?, i need to let users write on it. Thanks |
| 23:43.19 | smilodon | will either (debian or ubuntu) use a reasonably good kernel for a Pentium D? |
| 23:44.25 | streuner | bit0: shouldnt be a problem with a *nix FS |
| 23:44.43 | enouf | the FSType is what's more important than usb |
| 23:44.44 | streuner | so what FS is there activ? |
| 23:44.59 | streuner | VFAT? |
| 23:45.01 | bit0 | streuner: yes, but my external disk is a vfat one |
| 23:45.06 | smilodon | what I really want to know which will behave better with virtualbox on XP? |
| 23:45.09 | streuner | !vfat+rw |
| 23:45.12 | streuner | hm |
| 23:45.16 | streuner | !vfatrw |
| 23:45.16 | dpkg | To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". |
| 23:45.17 | enouf | !vfatrw |
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| 23:45.22 | enouf | heh ;-P |
| 23:45.27 | streuner | !win streuner |
| 23:45.27 | dpkg | Congratulations, streuner! You have won a one way ticket to Gaza! |
| 23:45.36 | streuner | no, thanks |
| 23:45.38 | PingFloyd | smilodon: I usually ubuntu complaining that ubuntu seems to get less stable with each release |
| 23:45.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, no choice! |
| 23:45.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | all prizes non-refundable |
| 23:45.48 | bit0 | streuner: thanks!! |
| 23:45.59 | PingFloyd | smilodon: usually hear ubunut users* |
| 23:46.27 | PingFloyd | smilodon: you really should which ever you like better |
| 23:46.32 | bit0 | streuner: but i need udev to do it, no manually |
| 23:46.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | what happened to that factoid |
| 23:46.34 | PingFloyd | smilodon: use* |
| 23:46.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | !debian vs ubuntu |
| 23:46.40 | enouf | although, that mentions a uid,gid,... i too use that - but i chown /mnt/point username |
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| 23:47.09 | enouf | then /msg dpkg automount |
| 23:47.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !listkeys debian vs ubuntu |
| 23:47.11 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'debian vs ubuntu' by key (1): #debian debian vs ubuntu. |
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| 23:48.59 | fedya | i'm trying to recover /fs on a computer i reformatted and forgot to back up, about 10 megs, i tried photorec with no luck, the computer would stall and the program would eventually exit, i dont know what else to try |
| 23:49.02 | streuner | !listkeys ubuntu |
| 23:49.03 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ubuntu' by key (15 of 21): #debian debian vs ubuntu ;; #debian kubuntu ;; #debian ubuntu ;; #debian-bots kubuntu ;; #debian-bots ubuntu ;; CMD: ubuntusmite (.*?) ;; _default debian!=ubuntu ;; _default ubuntu ;; cmd: ubuntu (.*?) ;; edubuntu ;; kubuntu ;; ubuntu ;; ubuntu-fr ;; ubuntu2debian ;; ubuntustudio. |
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| 23:49.43 | streuner | !recover |
| 23:49.43 | dpkg | it has been said that recover is http://recover.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:50.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | fedya, apt-cache show magicrescue |
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| 23:51.22 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: makes no sense to me, why dpkg didnt told about the factoid |
| 23:51.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, because it's gone... |
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| 23:52.06 | streuner | oh |
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| 23:52.21 | streuner | good call... |
| 23:52.38 | streuner | prolly |
| 23:52.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, #debian debian vs ubuntu is just some ... don't know exactly :) |
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| 23:53.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | channel-diversion or something |
| 23:54.12 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=ubuntu&term=key |
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| 23:54.34 | streuner | the factoid was there, but its gone, as you said already |
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| 23:55.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | (some of) the links in it were kinda oldish... |
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| 23:56.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, it's not as if something better/newer was around |
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