IRC log for #debian on 20090523

`00:00.28`	`*** join/#debian saulus_ (n=saulus@c207129.adsl.hansenet.de)`
`00:00.28`	`kanon-mat`	`is there a way to automatically set time without ntp?`
`00:00.45`	`kanon-mat`	`my isp blocks ntp for some reason`
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`00:00.49`	`streuner`	`/msg dpkg ntpdate`
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`00:00.57`	`streuner`	`oh`
`00:01.05`	`kanon-mat`	`:`
`00:01.18`	`streuner`	`no way`
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`00:01.56`	`streuner`	`Why should your ISP block NTP at all?`
`00:02.11`	`Tramp`	`he hates time`
`00:02.30`	`streuner`	`Tramp: hehe`
`00:02.59`	`streuner`	`nah, that must be something else`
`00:03.45`	`smilodon`	`do people get viruses in their virtualized OS? Would AV software for XP protect the virtual linux install?`
`00:04.09`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`kanon-mat, hwclock and adjtimex are your friends, I guess`
`00:04.16`	`kanon-mat`	`they block icmp and they say it has been attacks, but i didnt really get an answer to why ntp doesnt work`
`00:04.31`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`smilodon, how many linux viruses do you know?`
`00:04.36`	`kanon-mat`	`ty, i'll investigate`
`00:04.48`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`heh`
`00:05.32`	`smilodon`	`i see ... why are there none?`
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`00:05.57`	`enouf`	`streuner: which factoid? <why debian> maybe? how about <undelete>?`
`00:06.22`	`enouf`	`smilodon: because we don't like to get sick?`
`00:06.43`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`kanon-mat, of course, if you want time from the net... http://www.google.com/search?q=time`
`00:06.52`	`streuner`	`kanon-mat: ntpdate -v ntp.nasa.gov`
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`00:07.21`	`enouf`	`!ntpdate`
`00:07.21`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp.`
`00:07.38`	`smilodon`	`I guess God loves linux ;)`
`00:07.41`	`streuner`	`enouf: yeah, that was the one iam searching for, thanks`
`00:07.45`	`streuner`	`sure`
`00:08.00`	`v4nelle`	`guys how can i check the hdd write speed of 5gb file?`
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`00:08.18`	`enouf`	`time ; watch ; ..`
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`00:08.45`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`v4nelle, bonnie++`
`00:08.59`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`v4nelle, or iotop, depending on how you meant the question`
`00:09.32`	`v4nelle`	`bonnie is too extreme :)`
`00:10.00`	`enouf`	`5GB is extreme :-p`
`00:10.31`	`enouf`	`why not just use 1TB ...`
`00:10.59`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`kanon-mat, http://www.post1.net/lowem/entry/ntp_over_http`
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`00:11.26`	`enouf`	`lbs.sourceforge.net for other thoughts`
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`00:13.40`	`smilodon`	`!debian vs. ubuntu`
`00:13.56`	`smilodon`	`!debian vs ubuntu`
`00:14.03`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`!tell smilodon -about msg the bot`
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`00:17.42`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`bit0, udev doesn't mount`
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`00:18.27`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`usbmount would... and you can configure it in /etc/uusbmount/sbmount.conf`
`00:18.29`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`ops`
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`00:18.47`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`in /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf`
`00:20.10`	`bit0`	`CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, i've just change usbmount.conf :)`
`00:20.29`	`bit0`	`CutMeOwnThroat: now works fine`
`00:20.38`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`smilodon, a) it's much more satisfying to hack the box.. and I think few people see a point of a virus on unix... normal users don't have access to the binaries`
`00:21.20`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`smilodon, so it's mostly worms you get - enough to get root on a box... no need to having replicating stuff`
`00:21.32`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`then, binaries are rarely copied from machine to machine`
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`00:22.09`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`and as to infecting via usb sticks... well, no 'autostart'`
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`00:22.36`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`also, I always felt people who would code a virus on windows will just pick an open source project when using linux`
`00:23.00`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`you get much more recognition for that and you don't end up in jail either`
`00:23.21`	`smilodon`	`i see`
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`00:25.16`	`smilodon`	`I made a little program when I was smarter... it lists the exact contents of a file in hexadecimal with a nice color scheme with line numbers and paging... would the open source community use that?`
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`00:25.46`	`enouf`	`smilodon: sure, and check out bview/biew`
`00:25.55`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`there's also hexedit :)`
`00:26.39`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`smilodon, that's the other cool thing about open source... in a way it's never lost`
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`00:27.06`	`enouf`	`smilodon: the other thing to consider (that i hear many complain about who are into these things) is FS limits`
`00:27.09`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`if you put something on sourceforge and gpl it, someone can pick it up anytime`
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`00:27.29`	`enouf`	`and if very large files, hogging the CPU, stealing/leaking RAM, etc etc`
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`00:28.13`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`I see how it works with non-free stuff with chemistry software all the time... some group writes a software, but being scientists who want funding, they make it non-free even if they don't charge for it (well, or they charge for it)`
`00:28.49`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`then, when they guy who wrote it gets his phd and leaves (and perhaps a couple more who follow him) and funding runs out, the program is essentially lost`
`00:28.52`	`enouf`	`for ex; i like 'xxd' (part of the vi/vim pkgs), but it has limits as to how big a file`
`00:29.22`	`mikexcr`	`AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBsystem call`
`00:29.27`	`mikexcr`	`sorry...`
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`00:29.46`	`enouf`	`HELLO SYSTEM! :-p`
`00:29.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`mikexcr, we all feel this way sometimes`
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`00:29.56`	`adama_`	`heh`
`00:30.44`	`smilodon`	`GPL and LGPL makes me happy when I am installing something`
`00:30.46`	`mikexcr`	`hahah :D`
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`00:31.05`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`lgpl makes me happier`
`00:31.28`	`mikexcr`	`goodnight`
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`00:31.35`	`enouf`	`GPLv3!`
`00:31.38`	`Polarina`	`GPLv3!`
`00:31.39`	`enouf`	`runs`
`00:32.11`	`kingcrim`	`enouf: you don't happen to go by "usotsuki" on other IRC servers do you?`
`00:32.12`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`(... or it would - see gnuplot)`
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`00:32.31`	`enouf`	`kingcrim: no .. and even if i did, i'd say no`
`00:32.36`	`enouf`	`:-p`
`00:32.46`	`kingcrim`	`oh ok sorry... just this guy i know named that always does /me runs lol`
`00:33.02`	`kingcrim`	`like after everything her says`
`00:33.05`	`kingcrim`	`he*`
`00:33.42`	`enouf`	`many of us regulars don't mind some mild comical banter from time to time .. it's actually healthy`
`00:33.43`	`kingcrim`	`anyway... i am more of a noob than i thought. how do i get X to quit screen blanking after a few minutes? Xscreensaver setup does nothing`
`00:33.47`	`kingcrim`	`i'm using LXDE`
`00:34.03`	`kingcrim`	`is it something i need to change in xorg.conf ?`
`00:34.12`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`kingcrim, no, kill the screensaver`
`00:34.16`	`kingcrim`	`it's not running`
`00:34.28`	`kingcrim`	`daemon's off`
`00:34.40`	`smilodon`	`just maybe I could add a color scheme to hexedit... would that go over well?`
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`00:35.41`	`kingcrim`	`that's the first thing i though of, but it appears nowhere in the ps -aux list`
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`00:38.10`	`krgn_`	`hey`
`00:38.18`	`krgn_`	`is puzzled`
`00:38.38`	`krgn_`	`I am backporting some libs to lenny for my own repo`
`00:38.50`	`krgn_`	`but the source is never included in the upload`
`00:39.36`	`krgn_`	`the only thing I change is the version & distribution of the package in the changelog, then use 'debuild -S -sa' to create the dsc for use with pbuilder`
`00:39.41`	`oxi`	`jelly: grep -R 'User ' /etc/apache2`
`00:39.43`	`oxi`	`. /etc/apache2/apache2.conf:User ${APACHE_RUN_USER}`
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`00:40.10`	`krgn_`	`anybody knows why the after building the package with pbuilder the source is never inccluded in the upload?`
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`00:41.10`	`krgn_`	`must be something small I overlooked somewhere, or related to NMU uploads?`
`00:41.51`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`kingcrim, hm, perhaps there are some power saving settings in xorg itself? sounds weird, though`
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`00:43.41`	`Erdeesh`	`hello`
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`00:44.18`	`Erdeesh`	`how can i clear the cookies on Lynx`
`00:44.19`	`Erdeesh`	`?`
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`00:45.19`	`nathan-_`	`i've got serial port problems... when I try to open /dev/ttyS0 with minicom I get a lock error, operation not permitted, but ps aux says nothing is using ttyS0.. ideas anyone?`
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`00:47.21`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Erdeesh, does lynx store cookies on disk at all?`
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`00:47.41`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`nathan-_, fuser /dev/ttyS0`
`00:51.06`	`elik`	`any dependencies issues with kde packages in squeeze atm?`
`00:51.54`	`elik`	`I'm doing an upgrade and some packages are held to their current versions because of kicker and libkonq`
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`00:53.05`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`and?`
`00:53.18`	`kingcrim`	`CutMeOwnThroat: no strange settings in xorg.conf or anything. it's the basic standard issue debian lenny xorg.conf`
`00:53.25`	`kingcrim`	`i'm pretty dumbfounded on this one`
`00:53.42`	`kingcrim`	`i guess it could be something in the BIOS with power savings...`
`00:54.05`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`not likely`
`00:54.11`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`what WM are you using?`
`00:54.23`	`kingcrim`	`dang i hate to reboot though, this is an internet server that sees a decent amount of use. there are dozens of people on the IRCd it's running now.`
`00:54.26`	`kingcrim`	`it's LXDE`
`00:54.58`	`elik`	`CutMeOwnThroat, I wonder if there is a solution other than waiting for it to be resolved?`
`00:55.22`	`elik`	`CutMeOwnThroat, also, safe-upgrade won't resolve dependencies..`
`00:55.22`	`nathan-_`	`CutMeOwnThroat: i've just now worked out it's because Xen has attached a console to that port.. if I can just work out how to redirect xen to use something else or disable serial console (I don't ever want it)....`
`00:55.29`	`elik`	`CutMeOwnThroat, so I don't quite like that`
`00:55.46`	`kingcrim`	`there are no settings for LXDE itself or openbox that would cause this, i've been looking.`
`00:55.53`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`elik, packages are normally held back on upgrades when the upgrade would remove packages`
`00:55.56`	`kingcrim`	`i have seen a number of BIOSes with built-in screen blanking features`
`00:56.15`	`elik`	`CutMeOwnThroat, right, that's the difference between safe and full upgrade`
`00:56.29`	`kingcrim`	`when the IRC people are all idling tonight, i'll reboot and look i guess.. until then, i'll move the mouse a bit every 5 minutes :P`
`00:56.41`	`elik`	`CutMeOwnThroat, maybe you can help me understand this message better than, I never really got it...`
`00:56.49`	`elik`	`CutMeOwnThroat, kdebase-bin-kde3: Conflicts: kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 but 4:4.2.2-1 is to be installed.`
`00:56.53`	`draemon`	`hrm. how come I can't apt-get this: http://packages.debian.org/testing/source/linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6`
`00:57.03`	`draemon`	`it doesn't show up in apt-cache at all`
`00:57.13`	`draemon`	`(I have deb-src lines in sources.lst)`
`00:57.15`	`elik`	`CutMeOwnThroat, and kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4: Conflicts: kdebase-bin-kde3 but 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 is installed.`
`00:57.15`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`do you have deb-src lines?`
`00:57.47`	`draemon`	`Kamping_Kaiser: yes`
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`00:59.28`	`draemon`	`would someone mind doing an apt-cache search for that package and let me know if it works for you?`
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`01:01.14`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`elik, you can always specify a solution yourself if you know one`
`01:01.29`	`elik`	`CutMeOwnThroat, I don't understand what the message mean...`
`01:01.35`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`obviously, you can't have kde3 and kde4 installed at the same time`
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`01:01.44`	`elik`	`that sounds logical`
`01:01.49`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`... and that's what the message says`
`01:02.32`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`draemon, it doesnt show for me, but i dont have main/debian-installer in my sources list`
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`01:02.56`	`elik`	`CutMeOwnThroat, which one do I have, which one do I miss?`
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`01:03.28`	`elik`	`CutMeOwnThroat, is it trying to install kdebase3, but says it can't cause it conflicts with kdebase4`
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`01:03.44`	`draemon`	`Kamping_Kaiser: main/debian-installer? my sources.lst doesn't mention debian-installer`
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`01:04.16`	`elik`	`CutMeOwnThroat, can I know who needs what, what will be removed/added if I decide to go for kde3/4?`
`01:04.24`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`elik, you can always specify a solution yourself if you know one... apt-cache show package shows you the depends (so does apt-rdepends)`
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`01:04.54`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`and you can try to apt-get install some-package-that-would-be-upgraded until you hit the problem`
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`01:05.48`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`adding packages that can't be installed for some reason to the list ... apt-get install packagelist`
`01:06.22`	`adb`	`draemon: Warning: This package is intended for the use in building debian-installer images only. Do not install it on a normal Debian system.`
`01:06.36`	`elik`	`CutMeOwnThroat, I don't see where kde3 comes from... full upgrade tells me a very different story`
`01:06.57`	`elik`	`CutMeOwnThroat, basically keeps all kde pakcages to 4:3.5.10`
`01:07.09`	`draemon`	`adb: I'm tring to get the source, not the binary`
`01:07.12`	`elik`	`CutMeOwnThroat, err, what's this notation exactly?`
`01:07.37`	`draemon`	`it really should be easier just to add a module to an install cd`
`01:07.43`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`judd??? where's judd?`
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`01:12.11`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`elik, "apt-get install kdebase4" or "apt-get install kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4"?`
`01:14.20`	`adb`	`draemon: i guess you needs linux-headers , and m-a`
`01:15.29`	`draemon`	`adb: huh? I have both of those, but how does that help me to get linux-kernel-di which I need to create my kernel udeb?`
`01:17.04`	`adb`	`draemon: try /j #debian-boot on oftc`
`01:18.07`	`enouf`	`elik: the squeeze/sid one is kde-full, IIRC - careful though`
`01:19.36`	`enouf`	`wiki.debian.org/KDE has info`
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`01:26.49`	`xxtjaxx`	`HI all uhm anybody an Idea if there is a way to install debug symbols matching intalled packages rather than by hand selection?`
`01:28.08`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`install debug symbols?`
`01:28.45`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`they're in the executable, no?`
`01:29.27`	`xxtjaxx`	`nope`
`01:29.29`	`enouf`	`CutMeOwnThroat: many of the binaries are stripped, to save size`
`01:29.32`	`xxtjaxx`	`they are packaged seperately as package-dbg.deb`
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`01:30.10`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`enouf, yes, but you cannot separately install them... (can exchange the executable, though)`
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`01:33.10`	`enouf`	`grep-status -FStatus -sPackage -n "install ok installed" \| sort -n \| xargs \| less`
`01:33.16`	`enouf`	`heh`
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`01:34.03`	`xxtjaxx`	`enouf any idea how to do that? I want to stress test the kde4 testing already have a vbox of it`
`01:34.05`	`enouf`	`CutMeOwnThroat: you mean they'd need to be recompiled, which the -dbg pkgs contain, which makes them larger?`
`01:35.10`	`enouf`	`apt-get -s install $(grep-status -FStatus -sPackage -n "install ok installed" \| sort -n \| xargs \| less) <--find a way to tack on -dbg to the names, some sed or tr magic`
`01:35.30`	`enouf`	`naturally you'll get errors for misnamed/unknown pkgs`
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`01:35.53`	`enouf`	`er remove the less crap .. but careful`
`01:36.25`	`enouf`	`you might pin your CPU, run out of RAM, or even maybe get MMAP error`
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`01:36.36`	`xxtjaxx`	`i tried it with search partially got bitchy output`
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`01:37.06`	`enouf`	`xxtjaxx: maybe you could list all -dbg pkgs using debtags`
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`01:37.15`	`enouf`	`and pluck/sort whatever`
`01:37.39`	`xxtjaxx`	`apt-get install $(apt-cache search dbg \| cut -d"-" -f1)`
`01:38.04`	`enouf`	`also, just to see some other things; /msg dpkg aptitude clone ; /msg dpkg selections`
`01:38.15`	`xxtjaxx`	`but parts of it werent found by it lik#e ahven or so...`
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`01:42.29`	`seniorake`	`i can't find neither icedove nor thunderbird within apt...why is that? it is a fresh install. i even added contrib main and non-free in my sources.list`
`01:43.55`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`they got rebranded.`
`01:43.59`	`Kvant`	`you did aptitude update ?`
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`01:44.22`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`er, *s/they/thunderbird`
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`01:45.44`	`seniorake`	`hm i think my mirror did not have it`
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`01:45.51`	`seniorake`	`just used another one, i found it there`
`01:45.54`	`seniorake`	`nevermind, thanks anyway`
`01:45.58`	`Kvant`	`strange`
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`01:50.00`	`dacs`	`hello everyone`
`01:50.03`	`mattgyver`	`i get the following error when running apt-get update; GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907, how can i fix this?`
`01:50.27`	`dacs`	`i am trying to mount my external HDD but i get device can't be mount`
`01:50.40`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`mattgyver, read the instructions on that site for adding the key`
`01:50.47`	`mattgyver`	`Thank you kaiser`
`01:52.16`	`dacs`	`it say that log indicate unclean shutdown`
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`01:53.13`	`TigerTjader`	`What package do I need to install to get hcitool?`
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`01:53.59`	`dacs`	`TigerTjader: do apt-cache search hcitool`
`01:54.18`	`dacs`	`stew: can you help me please`
`01:54.20`	`TigerTjader`	`dacs, that returns nothing.`
`01:54.38`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`!tell TigerTjader -about apt-file`
`01:55.55`	`TigerTjader`	`thanks, CutMeOwnThroat`
`01:56.05`	`adb`	`TigerTjader: bluez-utils`
`01:56.15`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`!fish`
`01:56.16`	`dpkg`	`hmm... fish is Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered (also ask me about <fire>). Also the "Friendly Interactive SHell": http://fishshell.org`
`01:56.17`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`:-P`
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`01:56.44`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`I actually prefer ...`
`01:56.46`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`!fire`
`01:56.46`	`dpkg`	`from memory, fire is "Give a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day; Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life"`
`01:56.55`	`dacs`	`CutMeOwnThroat: can you help me with mountting a volume`
`01:57.12`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`oooh, is it too heavy?`
`01:57.22`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`s/heavy/high/`
`01:57.39`	`dacs`	`yeah i need a second hand :0`
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`02:00.08`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`gives dacs a bunk-up`
`02:00.30`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`!webcam`
`02:00.31`	`dpkg`	`For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <quickcam>. For device usage suggestions, see http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm or "mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0". http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam`
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`02:04.21`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`TigerTjader, there's more programs to search your local packages... /msg dpkg search for those`
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`02:04.31`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`dacs, you gonna ask a question?`
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`02:06.01`	`TigerTjader`	`Oh boy, apt-file search hcitool returned nothing.`
`02:06.22`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`it does!`
`02:06.43`	`adb`	`[ 03:53:40] <adb> TigerTjader: bluez-utils`
`02:06.46`	`dacs`	`CutMeOwnThroat: i ca't mount y USB extrnal HDD`
`02:06.51`	`TigerTjader`	`Also, adb, my bluez-utils doesn't have hcitool.`
`02:06.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`$ apt-file search hcitool`
`02:06.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`bluez-utils: /usr/bin/hcitool`
`02:07.02`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hm`
`02:07.05`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`judd?`
`02:07.09`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`damn that to drat`
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`02:07.18`	`TigerTjader`	`That's odd.`
`02:07.28`	`dacs`	`CutMeOwnThroat: it say that the log indicate an unclean shutdown`
`02:07.29`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list?`
`02:07.49`	`TigerTjader`	`http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/bluez-utils/filelist`
`02:08.04`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`dacs, what filesystem... you probably have to fsck it`
`02:08.23`	`TigerTjader`	`CutMeOwnThroat, http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free`
`02:08.28`	`dacs`	`CutMeOwnThroat: its ntfs`
`02:08.36`	`TigerTjader`	`deb and deb-src of that`
`02:08.53`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`uh, you run sid`
`02:09.08`	`adb`	`!ntfs-3g`
`02:09.08`	`dpkg`	`somebody said ntfs-3g was a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org etch> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.`
`02:09.12`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`and have to ask this stuff?`
`02:09.14`	`adb`	`dacs: ^^`
`02:09.17`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`adb, that's not the point`
`02:09.36`	`adb`	`oh ..`
`02:09.40`	`TigerTjader`	`http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/bluez-utils/filelist apparently it used to have hcitool and doesn't have anymore`
`02:09.45`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`dacs "ntfsfix"?`
`02:09.54`	`TigerTjader`	`And it seems hcitool has ceased to exist on debian :(`
`02:09.59`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`dacs read manual pages 1st!`
`02:10.08`	`dacs`	`errrrrrrr`
`02:10.10`	`dacs`	`:)`
`02:10.25`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`dacs, better to run windows checkdisk on that, I guess`
`02:11.19`	`dacs`	`CutMeOwnThroat: but when i plug it in my widows box it works fine`
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`02:11.34`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`dacs, that should make running chkdsk easier, no?`
`02:11.59`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`TigerTjader, look into changelog?`
`02:12.09`	`kellyh`	`dacs: in windows set it to be checked by chkdsk, it'll sort it out and linux'll mount it`
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`02:12.36`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`I said that!`
`02:12.39`	`dacs`	`CutMeOwnThroat: will do that then chdsk -f -r`
`02:12.47`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`chdsk?`
`02:13.06`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`. o O ( change disk? good idea... that should work )`
`02:13.12`	`kellyh`	`CutMeOwnThroat: so you did, headfog strikes again`
`02:13.34`	`dacs`	`chkdsk`
`02:13.46`	`dacs`	`you are an A$$ :P`
`02:13.46`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`kellyh, he didn't believe me, though, so your effort was not in vein :)`
`02:13.51`	`dacs`	`lol`
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`02:14.36`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`!lol`
`02:14.36`	`dpkg`	`If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.`
`02:14.54`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`there's nothing you can say I cannot come up with a factoid for`
`02:15.11`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`will restrain himself, though`
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`02:16.05`	`simonrvn`	`"vain"`
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`02:16.20`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`simonrvn, had my mind on drugs`
`02:16.58`	`simonrvn`	`when i was doing stuff, i preferred out of vein ;).`
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`02:17.37`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`wine is also ok`
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`02:54.32`	`cads`	`I tried to move my home directory to another partition.`
`02:54.45`	`cads`	`I did it in recovery mode, and set up a symbolic link to the location where I put the files`
`02:55.05`	`cads`	`but now when gnome logs in it give me a bunch of trouble about permissions and ownership`
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`02:55.41`	`cads`	`could it be that the administrator's account gained ownership when the files were moved in root console mode?`
`02:56.07`	`mactimes`	`Hi. Could someone, please, tell me which packages I should install on my Debian server in order to setup a fully functional PGP KeyServer?`
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`02:57.02`	`nkuttler`	`cads: ls -l, check the mount point too`
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`03:01.22`	`what_if`	`what would limit me being able to install debian (with X.org and no 3D) on an external hard drive and move it between multiple computers, all x86 ?`
`03:01.54`	`what_if`	`would any changes need be made to the system, or hardware detection, etc ?`
`03:03.54`	`PiousMinion`	`what_if: in most cases it would be no trouble. some vid cards or hardware that requires firmware might present an issue, but other than that no prob.`
`03:04.01`	`cjns3274`	`lenny - /quit`
`03:04.25`	`dacs`	`CutMeOwnThroat: thank man "chkdsk " in windows fixed it for me`
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`03:06.32`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`good on yer`
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`03:07.27`	`what_if`	`PiousMinion: ty :) I will; try it and see. Those vid cards that require firmware... laptops mostly I am hoping ?`
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`03:08.36`	`cusco`	`hi`
`03:09.00`	`cusco`	`I am grepping a file... how do I prevent it from showing lines in dupplicate?`
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`03:10.41`	`PiousMinion`	`what_if: well, it's not the vid card that requires the firmware. just stuff like some NICs and wifi cards.`
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`03:11.37`	`what_if`	`PiousMinion: networking is not really an issue. Would just like to access my files and do my work from anywhere, but cant afford a laptop.`
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`03:12.47`	`what_if`	`PiousMinion: CS student, you know how it is...`
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`03:14.08`	`OUTsider`	`uhm well.... I don't know which server apt-get uses to fetch the bug reports... but could that one be ipv6 capable please ? :)`
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`03:14.17`	`PiousMinion`	`what_if: well, if you install all the firmware for the potential networking hardware you only have to worry about the small chance of coming across a funky vid card that Xorg can't auto-configure.`
`03:15.26`	`what_if`	`PiousMinion: I would assume that most desktop systems built in bulk do _not_ require firmware? Am I correct in this ?`
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`03:15.54`	`OUTsider`	`issue is, I don't have international ipv4 transit, peered connections only... but the ipv6 works fine...`
`03:16.02`	`PiousMinion`	`what_if: no idea. :/`
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`03:16.59`	`what_if`	`PiousMinion: I guess I will have to go find out :p ty`
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`03:18.11`	`PiousMinion`	`Anyone know if using a journaling filesystem on a LUKS encrypted partition is a bad idea? I read somewhere that using a journal means tht everything written to disk has to be encrypted twice.(once for journal, once again for actual write). Ideas?`
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`03:20.14`	`Akuw`	`how can i change volumen label of flashdrive?`
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`03:21.32`	`\amethyst`	`Akuw: it's FAT?`
`03:21.39`	`Akuw`	`yeah`
`03:22.09`	`\amethyst`	`Akuw: dosfslabel from dosfstools`
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`03:25.48`	`OUTsider`	`bugs.debian.org has no AAAA record <- :(`
`03:27.35`	`Akuw`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:27.35`	`Akuw`	`open /dev/scd0:Read-only file system`
`03:27.45`	`Akuw`	`I GO THAT ERROR`
`03:27.50`	`Akuw`	`sorry for caps`
`03:27.53`	`\amethyst`	`Akuw: err, that's a CD`
`03:28.15`	`\amethyst`	`or is this one of those weird flash drives`
`03:29.23`	`Akuw`	`ok`
`03:29.37`	`cusco`	`no ipv6 for you OUTsider`
`03:29.38`	`Akuw`	`dosfslabel /dev/sdb1 kick`
`03:29.43`	`Akuw`	`but label no change`
`03:30.19`	`\amethyst`	`I'm not sure how to get Linux to rescan... ISTR udevadm trigger works but has unpleasant side effects`
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`03:30.58`	`cusco`	`unplug/re-plug`
`03:31.17`	`Akuw`	`nothing`
`03:31.58`	`Akuw`	`can i format my flash drive with ext3?`
`03:32.09`	`Akuw`	`but can i use it on windows ?`
`03:32.12`	`\amethyst`	`yes, but then you can't use it in Windows`
`03:32.12`	`adb`	`mkfs.ext3`
`03:32.31`	`\amethyst`	`there are windows utilities to read/write ext2, but I don't know how reliable they are`
`03:32.50`	`Akuw`	`ok`
`03:32.55`	`Akuw`	`well`
`03:33.07`	`Akuw`	`dosfslabel don't chaneg label`
`03:33.34`	`\amethyst`	`after unplugging and replugging?`
`03:33.40`	`Akuw`	`yes`
`03:33.50`	`\amethyst`	`hm`
`03:34.54`	`OUTsider`	`cusco: yeah... guess I need to do a little reroute trick :P`
`03:35.31`	`OUTsider`	`cusco: or simply iptables -I OUTPUT -d bugs.debian.org -j REJECT`
`03:35.37`	`OUTsider`	`times out quicker that way :P`
`03:35.53`	`\amethyst`	`Akuw: I'm not sure what to tell you... what brand/model is it?`
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`03:36.09`	`Akuw`	`generic+`
`03:36.25`	`cusco`	`why time it out?`
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`03:37.12`	`OUTsider`	`cusco: because my ipv4 transit doesn't allow me to connect to it`
`03:37.40`	`cusco`	`it should...`
`03:37.43`	`OUTsider`	`cusco: box only allows ipv4 transit with peered hosts... and that does not include the network the bugs.debian.org is on`
`03:38.10`	`debianforlife`	`what do I add to the kernel line to make grub boot directly to the initrdramfs ?`
`03:38.14`	`OUTsider`	`cusco: it should... but it has been dossed to hell in the past... hence the restrictions :)`
`03:38.30`	`OUTsider`	`cusco: it's free for me, doesn't cost me a bit`
`03:38.37`	`OUTsider`	`cusco: and pretty stable :P`
`03:39.01`	`cusco`	`ok... im not following now...`
`03:39.26`	`OUTsider`	`cusco: anything that is not peered with AS5419 cannot connect to the box`
`03:40.27`	`OUTsider`	`cusco: since he.net DOES peer with that AS... I have setup an ipv6 tunnel to be able to communicate with the rest outside of that peering IF it supports ipv6`
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`03:42.37`	`cusco`	`the most I try to follow the more my mind breaks`
`03:42.45`	`cusco`	`really I don't know anything about peers`
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`03:43.52`	`\amethyst`	`Akuw: you're apparently not the only person to see the problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506786`
`03:44.11`	`cusco`	`and amasingly I can't find quick answers on google to what is a as5419 peer`
`03:44.38`	`cusco`	`good luck to you OUTsider`
`03:44.39`	`OUTsider`	`peering means, exchanging internet data directly between two isp's`
`03:44.56`	`cusco`	`I can understand that far`
`03:45.06`	`OUTsider`	`without the need of a so called transit provider like uunet/level3 etc`
`03:45.25`	`cusco`	`yes`
`03:45.35`	`OUTsider`	`as stands for autonomous system`
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`03:45.52`	`OUTsider`	`as5419 is the as number of the location where my box is hosted`
`03:46.09`	`OUTsider`	`try whois AS5419`
`03:46.25`	`OUTsider`	`should spit out quite some info`
`03:46.37`	`cusco`	`as-cuci`
`03:46.48`	`cusco`	`it does`
`03:46.55`	`OUTsider`	`you see those import/export lines ?`
`03:47.01`	`cusco`	`yes`
`03:47.19`	`OUTsider`	`the from and to's contain other AS numbers`
`03:47.20`	`Dominicus`	`So, I was curious with trying to fix something on my system several days ago. (Can't remember what it was.) But, I tried to fetch the files for aptitude and apt, so then i could uninstall Aptitude and Apt, and then reinstall them. But, now I just have dpkg, no apt, no aptitude. And, I can't figure out how to get them back. Does anyone know how to resolve this, short of a reinstall.`
`03:47.31`	`cusco`	`yes I noticed`
`03:47.32`	`OUTsider`	`that shows the networks I can directly exchange data with`
`03:47.41`	`cusco`	`right...`
`03:47.52`	`cusco`	`im trying to follow`
`03:48.05`	`OUTsider`	`everything else needs either the level3 or alternet transits`
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`03:48.30`	`OUTsider`	`which I am prohibited to use for a while...to filter away ddos attacks`
`03:48.57`	`OUTsider`	`floodbots don't use ipv6 that much`
`03:49.32`	`cusco`	`it says that level3 is the owner of as1`
`03:50.12`	`OUTsider`	`:P`
`03:50.59`	`cusco`	`im trying to learn about transit providers right now`
`03:51.16`	`OUTsider`	`anyways...`
`03:51.17`	`cusco`	`thanks for the tips, I don't know if I cant profit from more`
`03:51.29`	`cusco`	`yes`
`03:52.27`	`OUTsider`	`those canadian and us boxes bugs.debian.org is hosted on, is not in my range :P`
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`03:53.11`	`OUTsider`	`so if at least one of them would be ipv6 capable...and a proper AAAA record is added... it would work for me (and a lot of others who play around with ipv6)`
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`03:56.20`	`PingFloyd`	`anybody been having off and on trouble with aptitude resolving www.debian-multimedia.org?`
`03:56.38`	`PingFloyd`	`actually apt anything`
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`03:59.33`	`OUTsider`	`cusco: the iptables trick does the waiting trick for me`
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`03:59.40`	`OUTsider`	`5 secs instead of 2 minutes :P`
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`04:02.47`	`cusco`	`got it OUTsider`
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`04:24.52`	`rhineheart_m`	`how to check whether I'm using lenny or etch?`
`04:25.29`	`dererk`	`rhineheart_m, cat /etc/debian_version`
`04:25.42`	`rhineheart_m`	`thank you dererk`
`04:26.01`	`dererk`	`np`
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`04:46.42`	`nathan-_`	`is there an alternative to minicom? it says /dev/ttyS0 is locked when it most definitely is NOT`
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`05:13.31`	`anoHito`	`hi guys.`
`05:13.43`	`anoHito`	`i have a very strange problem ,please anyone ?`
`05:14.49`	`anoHito`	`I decompressed userfile.tar.gz from another HDD to the current HDD, how come the permission of the files are 1030 1030 ? they should be username username .`
`05:15.20`	`anoHito`	`and if i chown -R username chgrp -R username, after that , i cannot access to the website, says 403 error.`
`05:15.50`	`anoHito`	`valdyn, :(`
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`05:24.40`	`FoxBlitzz`	`anoHito: UserID`
`05:24.51`	`FoxBlitzz`	`You need to create a user with that same ID`
`05:24.55`	`FoxBlitzz`	`Or chown`
`05:24.56`	`hatter_au`	`my default lenny install has the wrong keymap, how do i change it ?`
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`05:32.55`	`anoHito`	`FoxBlitzz, that userid exits.`
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`05:53.01`	`UncleBob`	`How can I change the mirror that apt-get pulls packages from?`
`05:54.50`	`nathan-_`	`UncleBob: look in /etc/apt/sources.list`
`05:56.03`	`UncleBob`	`nathan-_: Thanks.`
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`05:58.18`	`shardz_`	`every time i boot up i get a long kernel load, namely DHCP Discover trys for a connection 7 times. I dont need DHCP Discover do i? looks like its trying on wlan0 but my card should be ath0`
`05:59.11`	`Yancho`	`how can i give access to all to this scanner please? : hpaio:/usb/psc_1200_series?serial=UA51CGB2DMT0 there is nothing in /usb/ :S`
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`06:14.46`	`enouf`	`!qotd0`
`06:14.46`	`dpkg`	`<Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid`
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`06:26.49`	`UncleBob`	`If I use ifconfig and route to change network settings, are the settings automatically saved and take effect on all future startups, or do I have to change some config file?`
`06:27.50`	`jbjohns`	`Hi all. The latest Kernel update broke my Selinux installation. The bug has been reported but while I'm waiting for it to be fixed is there anyway to make apt pull the previous kernel again so I can keep working?`
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`06:30.11`	`jbjohns`	`I tried to find out the web but my google-fu failed me`
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`06:31.11`	`UncleBob`	`Gah, parted is a useless piece of crap, it gives an error even when using the "print" command.`
`06:31.25`	`Thunderguy`	`I'm trying to diagnose frequently occuring hangups in the new lenny I've installed, after so much inactivety my hard-drive turns off, and does not come back up ( system hangs ) and I'm wondering what program would cause the hard disk to turn off anyway?`
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`06:34.04`	`johny-b-goode`	`Hello People.`
`06:34.23`	`johny-b-goode`	`what package contains the kernel sources....? Can any one help out please?`
`06:35.50`	`hatter_au`	`johny-b-goode, aptitude install linux-source-(your kernel)`
`06:36.06`	`johny-b-goode`	`hatter_au: cool. :)`
`06:36.07`	`johny-b-goode`	`thanks.`
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`06:37.10`	`jbjohns`	`so no one knows a way to force apt to use an older version of a given package?`
`06:37.39`	`hatter_au`	`jbjohns, apt will install what you tell it to`
`06:37.53`	`hatter_au`	`the name will be different if there is an older package for it`
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`06:38.13`	`jbjohns`	`how can I find out the name of the package for the older kernel?`
`06:38.13`	`hatter_au`	`otherwise you can download the source and install it yourself`
`06:38.26`	`jbjohns`	`I don't want to do a kernel build. :)`
`06:38.37`	`hatter_au`	`jbjohns, you want to install an older kernel ?`
`06:38.56`	`jbjohns`	`yes, the previous package from, say, 2 weeks ago`
`06:39.17`	`jbjohns`	`the current one has an SElinux bug`
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`06:39.41`	`hatter_au`	`jbjohns, well, if its available as a package, it will be listed`
`06:40.03`	`jbjohns`	`hrm, I did an "aptitude search image" and I don't see the older one`
`06:40.27`	`jbjohns`	`why would an older package stop being available? I mean I don't expect them to keep everything ever, but I would expect at least the most recent one to still be available`
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`06:41.30`	`copper__`	`i just installed kde4.2 from sid and im getting an x server error`
`06:41.42`	`copper__`	`im not sure how to troubleshoot this`
`06:41.54`	`copper__`	`i had kde4.1 before backported and all was good`
`06:43.45`	`kanonmat`	`what error? how do you start kde?`
`06:43.57`	`copper__`	`startx. i dont want to use kde`
`06:44.03`	`kanonmat`	`kdm :)`
`06:44.09`	`copper__`	`i mean kdm`
`06:44.11`	`copper__`	`=)`
`06:44.41`	`kanonmat`	`do you have xinit pkg and an edited .xinitrc?`
`06:45.01`	`jbjohns`	`hrm, I can't find it in aptitude either. I know there must be some way to do this. Some force I can do in source.list or something`
`06:46.19`	`copper__`	`fatal server error: caught signal 11. server aborting`
`06:46.22`	`copper__`	`what does that mean?`
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`06:48.22`	`kanonmat`	`maybe you can try and rename xorg.conf if you have one, then start x`
`06:49.09`	`copper__`	`right after i startx i get the nvidia splash screen then it craps out`
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`06:53.14`	`kanonmat`	`hmm, i don't know much about this, i just have a working kde4`
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`06:56.02`	`jbjohns`	`ok, I found it. I have to set a pin in /etc/apt/preferences. Anyone know off the top of their head where I can find out exactly what package I had 2 weeks ago?`
`06:56.25`	`jbjohns`	`is there some list somewhere where they give a stream of packages that have been upgraded?`
`06:56.58`	`johny-b-goode`	`dear users....`
`06:57.01`	`kanonmat`	`search /var/log/apt/term.log`
`06:57.53`	`jbjohns`	`I tried that. It just says 2.6.26-15 but that gives me a huge list of packages`
`06:57.57`	`johny-b-goode`	`I installed debian in vmware without adding a soundcard to the machine. Now, I added the soundcard afterwards. But it doesn't recognize it.`
`06:58.18`	`johny-b-goode`	`how could it be fixed....`
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`07:00.42`	`copper__`	`ok i just recomplied my nvidia driver`
`07:00.45`	`copper__`	`still no good`
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`07:01.06`	`copper__`	`when i renamed xorg.conf though`
`07:01.11`	`copper__`	`it didnt crash`
`07:01.15`	`kanonmat`	`did you remove the old driver?`
`07:01.21`	`copper__`	`it was hardly usable but it didnt crash`
`07:01.29`	`copper__`	`when i recomplie it deletes the old one`
`07:01.35`	`copper__`	`part of the nvidia installer`
`07:01.39`	`copper__`	`afaik`
`07:02.37`	`kanonmat`	`ah, nvidia-xconfig generates it`
`07:02.49`	`copper__`	`yes`
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`07:05.52`	`kanonmat`	`according to http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=10812 the nvidia installer may not automatically uninstall the old driver`
`07:06.46`	`kanonmat`	`if i understand it correctly`
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`07:10.20`	`jbjohns`	`http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-latest-2.6/linux-latest-2.6_17+lenny1/changelog`
`07:10.31`	`jbjohns`	`shows the package history`
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`07:12.20`	`copper__`	`i dont know how to totally uninstall an old driver`
`07:12.32`	`copper__`	`esp. one i built myself`
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`07:15.08`	`kanonmat`	`i dont know much more than google the error message`
`07:15.22`	`copper__`	`so get this`
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`07:15.38`	`kanonmat`	`or grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log for`
`07:15.44`	`copper__`	`i build the new driver and nvidia-xconfig makes the xorg.conf`
`07:15.50`	`kanonmat`	`yes`
`07:16.23`	`copper__`	`i take the same xorg.conf and change the device driver from "nvidia" to "nv" it seems to work better`
`07:16.27`	`copper__`	`no crashing`
`07:16.38`	`hedgehoginfog`	`I have two identical hard drives 320 GB each. I want to have a root partition of about 20-25 GB on the first drive and the rest of it along with the entire second HD I'd like to use for a /home partition. Is it possible?`
`07:16.42`	`isbear`	`jbjohns: not likely, but try to check in /var/cache/apt/archives/ - maybe previous package is still in cache`
`07:17.14`	`jbjohns`	`I think I've loaded the old kernel. Now I just have to hook the monitor back up so I can make sure the boot will work on this kernel I'm trying`
`07:17.27`	`kanonmat`	`hedgehoginfog: lvm can make partitions across harddrives`
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`07:18.27`	`hedgehoginfog`	`kanonmat, So I need to prepare the partitions before the installation?`
`07:18.41`	`kanonmat`	`that would be easier i think`
`07:18.53`	`kanonmat`	`i used sysresccd`
`07:19.13`	`kanonmat`	`http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page`
`07:19.22`	`hedgehoginfog`	`I have DVD Knoppix.`
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`07:20.40`	`kanonmat`	`to set up logical volumes you have to do: modprobe dm-mod; vgchange -ay`
`07:21.24`	`kanonmat`	`grub wants a /boot that is outside the lvm`
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`07:22.04`	`kanonmat`	`maybe grub2 works, but its hard finding dokumentaiton, i think`
`07:22.08`	`copper__`	`lilo can boot a /boot inside lvn`
`07:22.10`	`copper__`	`lvm`
`07:22.45`	`johny-b-goode`	`folks my videos don't have sound. My sound icons complains of missing gstreamer plugin. Does this sound like a straight forward issue to fix by installing some package?`
`07:22.53`	`johny-b-goode`	`I was able to play an mp3 with mplayer....`
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`07:25.04`	`kanonmat`	`there are several gstreamer0.10-plugins- pkgs`
`07:25.04`	`enouf`	`$ apt-cache search gstreamer plugins`
`07:25.50`	`copper__`	`hi enouf`
`07:25.56`	`johny-b-goode`	`cool and install every gstreamer pkg?`
`07:26.25`	`kanonmat`	`maybe try the good first :)`
`07:26.41`	`hedgehoginfog`	`kanonmat, Which of lvm or lvm2 would you recommend?`
`07:26.52`	`kanonmat`	`lvm2`
`07:27.27`	`johny-b-goode`	`oh noez, it has pulse audio stuff...?`
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`07:29.33`	`kml`	`hi, i ran dpk-reconfigure xserver-xorg to change the resolution, but why it doesn't ask for the resolution setting. any ideas?`
`07:30.18`	`johny-b-goode`	`thanks guys.`
`07:30.37`	`johny-b-goode`	`running gstreamer plugin install`
`07:30.43`	`johny-b-goode`	`will know soon.`
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`07:31.19`	`cahoot`	`kml: xorg is supposed to autoconfig`
`07:31.21`	`enouf`	`aloha copper__`
`07:32.25`	`kanonmat`	`kml: you should be a ble to set the resolution with xrandr or a similar app`
`07:32.38`	`kanonmat`	`if its wrong...`
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`07:33.45`	`cahoot`	`kml: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12`
`07:34.04`	`copper__`	`i wanted to say hi enouf. you are always here helping. especially me.`
`07:34.28`	`kml`	`xrandr [what option for 1024x768 ?]`
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`07:35.51`	`kml`	`thanks for the link`
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`07:37.36`	`kanonmat`	`xrandr -s 1024x768`
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`07:38.06`	`Sparqzorz`	`wuttt`
`07:38.22`	`kanonmat`	`maybe there is better ways, xrandr is "primitive" according to its own man page`
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`07:41.21`	`cahoot`	`kml: does xrandr -q liste the resolution you want?`
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`07:42.31`	`kanonmat`	`another way is to have gtf generate modelines`
`07:42.41`	`jbjohns`	`ok, everything worked. Back in Selinux`
`07:43.23`	`enouf`	`cvt works better here than gtf`
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`07:44.32`	`bullgard4`	`What are common BIOS access keys? Esc, F2, F6, F12, F8 and Del do not function on this Fujitu-Siemens Computer.`
`07:45.09`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`try uncommon ones then`
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`07:45.46`	`bullgard4`	`Kamping_Kaiser: Was that all you were able to contribute to answer the question put?`
`07:46.01`	`ssm`	`bullgard4: for your convenience, access to the BIOS has been blocked, and the access attempt has been logged. Please report to the Computer for termination. :P`
`07:46.07`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`bullgard4, you just listed the common ones. why would i re answer it?`
`07:46.13`	`ssm`	`bullgard4: what's your computer's make or model?`
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`07:46.34`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`f10 is the only other i can think of thats common`
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`07:46.53`	`bullgard4`	`ssm: Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo A 7600 aka CY 26.`
`07:47.02`	`Supaplex`	`bullgard4: try the any key. if that fails, try the any other key.`
`07:47.04`	`Supaplex`	`;)`
`07:47.35`	`bullgard4`	`Kamping_Kaiser: I will try F10. -- Thank you.`
`07:47.42`	`Supaplex`	`is there a users manual for that computer?`
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`07:47.54`	`Supaplex`	`and is this debian specific?`
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`07:49.15`	`darkham`	`anybody uses anyremote?`
`07:49.32`	`Supaplex`	`!anyone`
`07:49.32`	`dpkg`	`Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search>`
`07:50.09`	`Supaplex`	`dpkg: anyone is also <htasq>`
`07:50.09`	`dpkg`	`okay, Supaplex`
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`07:51.03`	`darkham`	`anyremote doesn't works for me, please help me?`
`07:51.06`	`darkham`	`!`
`07:51.44`	`Supaplex`	`!don't work`
`07:51.44`	`dpkg`	`Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.`
`07:52.10`	`Supaplex`	`!htasq`
`07:52.11`	`dpkg`	`Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.`
`07:52.18`	`Supaplex`	`may as well get that out of the way too.`
`07:52.22`	`ssm`	`helpful bot :)`
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`07:52.29`	`Supaplex`	`dpkg: botsnack`
`07:52.29`	`dpkg`	`Supaplex: :)`
`07:53.05`	`darkham`	`i hope some REAL people read my messages...`
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`07:53.37`	`Supaplex`	`when you ask a REAL question perhaps.`
`07:53.43`	`ssm`	`darkham: I did read your message, and I agree with the bot. You should read what it said, and look at the links. Especially http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html`
`07:53.48`	`Supaplex`	`goes back to some REAL work.`
`07:53.50`	`PingFloyd`	`too bad they will just go "huh?" and forget about it 5 seconds later`
`07:53.51`	`mof`	`hi #debian`
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`07:54.30`	`ssm`	`darkham: and as a response to your question, yes, someone _do_ use anyremote, your can see for yourself at http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=anyremote`
`07:54.38`	`darkham`	`i can't connect my pc with anyremote java client in my nokia n70 phone`
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`07:57.14`	`darkham`	`bloetooth works fine , i can send files from pc to phone right, but when i try to use anyremote in the phone , nothing happens`
`07:57.17`	`Supaplex`	`can it connect/communicate any other way?`
`07:57.24`	`Supaplex`	`ahh. humm`
`07:58.01`	`mof`	`hidd --connect xx:xx....`
`07:58.06`	`darkham`	`i inserted bt address of pc in the phone manually`
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`07:58.49`	`ssm`	`darkham: does anyremote do any logging at all?`
`07:59.16`	`darkham`	`i use anyremote in pc bt ganyremote`
`07:59.38`	`darkham`	`i don't know when it save logs...`
`07:59.52`	`darkham`	`where i mean, excuse me`
`08:00.34`	`ssm`	`darkham: check the "logging" section at http://anyremote.sourceforge.net/use.html`
`08:00.52`	`ssm`	`darkham: it says logging is off by default, but turning it on will probably help`
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`08:01.05`	`darkham`	`yes`
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`08:07.37`	`Jenova^`	`Hi whats the best debain based linux distro for a new comer?`
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`08:08.05`	`Supaplex`	`uhm. debian of course.`
`08:08.13`	`Supaplex`	`no wait, uh pocket linux`
`08:08.32`	`Supaplex`	`!tell Jenova^ -about why debian`
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`08:09.14`	`cahoot`	`Jenova^: asking in #debian can only give you one suggestion`
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`08:09.31`	`Jenova^`	`ok whats the best for my pc, P3 733mhz, 128mb ram, 80gb hd, ati 3d graphics card`
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`08:11.38`	`cahoot`	`Jenova^: with debian you have the choice of a lot of resource efficient solutions/window managers`
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`08:12.32`	`cahoot`	`Jenova^: whatever is 'best' is a personal matter`
`08:12.34`	`Supaplex`	`interesting.... starting acpi when it's already running, via the init script, tosses exit code 1. nice.`
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`08:13.02`	`ssm`	`Supaplex: that's bound to be helpful to heartbeat :P`
`08:13.22`	`ssm`	`...if acpi was a clustered service, that is`
`08:13.30`	`ssm`	`must learn to read soon, or drink more coffee`
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`08:13.48`	`Supaplex`	`stewie:~# /usr/sbin/acpid -c /etc/acpi/events -s /var/run/acpid.socket`
`08:13.48`	`Supaplex`	`acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: Device or resource busy`
`08:13.58`	`Supaplex`	`ssm: actually, heartbeat is installed.`
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`08:14.24`	`Supaplex`	`our cluster is a little on the fubar side, and we're going to retest after it's upgraded to lenny.`
`08:14.39`	`ssm`	`heartbeat2? with crm?`
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`08:14.49`	`Supaplex`	`crm?`
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`08:15.11`	`ssm`	`That's heartbeats clustered resource manager`
`08:15.27`	`ssm`	`for when you've got more complex clusters`
`08:15.29`	`Supaplex`	`dunno. just setup ha.cf and haresources etc`
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`08:15.35`	`Supaplex`	`nawe. just two boxes.`
`08:15.52`	`ssm`	`lucky :)`
`08:16.36`	`Supaplex`	`I've managed to teach policy-rc.d the RIGHT way to keep its hands off ha managed resources.`
`08:16.41`	`ssm`	`heartbeat with two nodes is actually nice and simple`
`08:16.59`	`ssm`	`oooh, I've need to learn more about policy-rc.d`
`08:17.35`	`Supaplex`	`maybe I should submit this as a patch, that can live in the contrib/ :)`
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`08:18.14`	`ssm`	`ubuntu have added service and chkconfig, I wonder if they are wrappers around invoke-rc.d and policy-rc.d.... Must check`
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`08:20.53`	`Supaplex`	`yeah. this one checks any initscript if it's in start/stop, and doesn't let package management/upgrade scripts toy with haresources or stuff not running in this run level. my next goal is to allow it, but somehow ask ha to follow through, so it knows about the resource request.`
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`08:21.32`	`ssm`	`ubuntu's chkconfig was a frontend to insserv, which is an entirely different beastie`
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`08:25.57`	`ssm`	`Supaplex: heartbeat has an init script search path, so you can add overrides to /etc/ha.d/resource.d, and heartbeat will look there first. You could add an init script wrapper there, if you need checks before /etc/init.d/<whatever> is called`
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`08:32.43`	`gh0st3r`	`hey guys`
`08:33.41`	`gh0st3r`	`im getting errors while attempting to boot a Debian 5 system... Im getting the errors "Target filesystem doesnt have /sbin/init. No init found. Try passing init= bootarg." and ive been booted into a (initramfs) prompt...`
`08:33.46`	`gh0st3r`	`how do i fix it :-S`
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`08:36.01`	`negge`	`Hi guys. I have some leftovers from GNOME on my home server which I want to remove, when I run "dpkg -l \| grep gnome" I can see a bunch of packages I'm very sure I don't need, but when I try "apt-get remove 'gnome'", apt says it finds a lot of packages that matches the regex, but then it says "Couldn't find package gnome". How can I remove all those packages at once?`
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`08:36.15`	`lvh`	`hi`
`08:36.18`	`cahoot`	`!remove gnome`
`08:36.18`	`dpkg`	`To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly).`
`08:36.22`	`lvh`	`It seems your FFMPEG (libavcodec) installation lacks the following encoder: MPEG Audio layer 1/2/3.`
`08:36.25`	`lvh`	`How can I fix that?`
`08:36.44`	`lvh`	`VLC gives me that error when I try to make an MP3.`
`08:37.05`	`lvh`	`Basically, I'd like to know where I can find debian packages of libavcodec that have mp3 support`
`08:37.39`	`cahoot`	`lvh: probably debian.multimedia - try /msg dpkg dmm`
`08:37.43`	`lvh`	`Or MPEG AAC`
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`08:38.06`	`lvh`	`ceil420: I have dmm in my sources.list though`
`08:38.09`	`lvh`	`wait, no I don't.`
`08:38.11`	`lvh`	`cahoot: sorry, you`
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`08:42.37`	`negge`	`hmm it seems like it's not installed at all, it has the "rc" status when I run "dpkg -l"`
`08:42.43`	`negge`	`not that I know what that means but`
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`08:46.12`	`gh0st3r`	`anyone got any ideas about the intramfs?`
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`08:48.42`	`hark`	`!any ideas`
`08:48.42`	`dpkg`	`Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little cod liver oil, and 42 three-legged dairy cows. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes!`
`08:49.36`	`hark`	`negge: you can remove all with rc status using aptitude purge '~c'`
`08:50.09`	`copper__`	`dpkg will kill your mum`
`08:50.10`	`dpkg`	`bugger all, i dunno, copper__`
`08:50.18`	`JNSamuel`	`!any breasts`
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`08:50.23`	`JNSamuel`	`nou`
`08:50.24`	`copper__`	`oh yes you will`
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`08:53.00`	`JNSamuel`	`nou`
`08:53.02`	`JNSamuel`	`:P`
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`08:57.14`	`steven_`	`Sorry it's off topic but pretty urgent. Hope you guys can help. I have a cisco adsl router and I'm logged onto it. One of the ports is connected to a switch which gives access to the remote lan. I tried "ip route 192.168.10.0 255.255.255.0 fastethernet 1" but it doesn't show up in the routing table... Am I missing something`
`08:59.32`	`negge`	`hark: okay thanks!`
`08:59.32`	`cahoot`	`an add?`
`08:59.40`	`cahoot`	`steve: ^`
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`09:00.13`	`steven_`	`cahoot, it's on the cisco device itself. Syntactically it's correct :)`
`09:00.29`	`negge`	`hark: so the "rc" status means the package is uninstalled but it hasn't been purged?`
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`09:04.42`	`hark`	`negge: yes, see dpkg -l \| head`
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`09:17.36`	`yomm`	`Good morning all ! I am looking for a good secure linux password manager. Any hints ? thank you !`
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`09:20.57`	`Shact`	`Right, that's it. I've had it with having to install from source or from deb and having to get each dependency one at a time. Isn't there a way to find out all the dependencies at once, and there dependencies and go get them? I'm talking about things that don't have a repository (obviously)`
`09:21.16`	`Shact`	`*their`
`09:21.23`	`drizzd`	`is there a convenient way to downgrade all packages to their stable version?`
`09:21.41`	`azeem`	`drizzd: no`
`09:21.47`	`azeem`	`downgrades are not supported`
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`09:22.17`	`drizzd`	`yeah, it's painful`
`09:22.32`	`azeem`	`Shact: maybe look at gdebi, though I am not sure I understand what you mean`
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`09:24.00`	`Shact`	`azeem: for example, if I run the virtualgl .deb, it fails cos it needs other libraries`
`09:24.09`	`azeem`	`then look at gdebi`
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`09:24.31`	`azeem`	`the other alternative is to install it, then run apt-get -f install`
`09:24.41`	`Shact`	`it tells me (one at a time) what it wants then expects me to go get everything. most annoying. i shall take a look at gdebi :)`
`09:24.52`	`Shact`	`but i can't install it cos it fails`
`09:24.57`	`azeem`	`Shact: what is "it"?`
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`09:25.04`	`azeem`	`in "it tells me"`
`09:26.03`	`Shact`	`cos it needs stuff and has no option to 'get them later'. 'it' is dpkg...`
`09:26.55`	`azeem`	`why does it have no option?`
`09:27.04`	`azeem`	`did you read my line about apt-get -f install=`
`09:27.39`	`Shact`	`yes, but apt-get isn't relevant to a package that's not on the repository`
`09:28.30`	`jelly-home`	`"apt-get -f install" is.`
`09:28.50`	`Shact`	`apt-get -f install what though?`
`09:28.59`	`jelly-home`	`that's it. No what.`
`09:29.21`	`hoohah`	`hello`
`09:29.38`	`hoohah`	`is it possible to have a users crontab file in his local dir?`
`09:29.45`	`Dassu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:29.47`	`hoohah`	`rather than somewhere in /var?`
`09:29.53`	`hoohah`	`Dassu: ??!!`
`09:29.58`	`ssm`	`hoohah: what problem are you trying to solve?`
`09:30.01`	`jelly-home`	`Shact: you try to install a strange .deb file, when it fails, use the command above to make apt satisfy the dependencies if it can`
`09:30.08`	`Shact`	`It doesn't do anything. nothing added or taken away`
`09:30.17`	`hoohah`	`ssm: the problem is keeping crontab file under version control`
`09:30.19`	`azeem`	`Shact: then there's no problem in the first place`
`09:30.30`	`ssm`	`hoohah: ah, clever. :)`
`09:30.34`	`hoohah`	`ssm: without leaving ${HOME}`
`09:30.39`	`azeem`	`Shact: obviously if you install something with dpkg and it fails, there's a problem`
`09:30.47`	`Shact`	`but i can't install the deb cos it wont let me continue with the instalationif dependencies are missing. I need "install anyway"`
`09:30.48`	`ssm`	`hoohah: you can use version control, and then call the crontab binary in a post-commit hook`
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`09:31.01`	`azeem`	`Shact: please pastebin the full output`
`09:31.02`	`ssm`	`hoohah: you will have version control, but not enforced`
`09:31.03`	`azeem`	`!paste`
`09:31.03`	`dpkg`	`Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.`
`09:31.23`	`Shact`	`and even if it did install anyway, i don't see how apt is going to know what's missing when that's listed in the redundant .deb`
`09:31.35`	`azeem`	`Shact: look`
`09:31.44`	`azeem`	`Shact: if you want help, stop second guessing dpkg and apt`
`09:31.48`	`azeem`	`and pastebin the output`
`09:32.06`	`Shact`	`azeem: i don't need to paste-bin anything. It's one line: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed (etc)`
`09:32.17`	`azeem`	`Shact: pastebin the output of dpkg`
`09:32.23`	`azeem`	`you said "i can't install the deb cos it wont let me continue"`
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`09:32.54`	`Shact`	`yes, because library x is not found, then library y. it's standard stuff`
`09:33.01`	`azeem`	`ok`
`09:33.07`	`azeem`	`then please drop it now`
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`09:34.22`	`shappie`	`Hello, i have made a init.d script (http://paste.ubuntu.com/178625/) for the program NZBget. When i type in the terminal: "/etc/init.d/NZBget start" the program starts like it should. But when i add it to the startup list ("update-rc.d NZBget defaults") it wont startup when i reboot the machine. Anybody knows why?`
`09:35.25`	`Shact`	`Hmm. i don't think you guys have the perception to realise that dpkg could pass it's dependency list to apt and everything would work perfectly. apt can't know what to get when that stuff isn't on the repo, but is in a dpkg, nor can dpkg get the things it knows are needed. It's a bit shit really, regardless of what the consensus may be`
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`09:35.47`	`azeem`	`Shact: I said drop it`
`09:35.47`	`Shact`	`* a .deb sorry`
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`09:35.58`	`azeem`	`Shact: if you don't want help, please stop argueing about it`
`09:35.58`	`Shact`	`azeem: and who put you in charge?`
`09:36.05`	`azeem`	`Shact: sorry, but I am`
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`09:36.20`	`ssm`	`Shact: pastebin the exact input and output, otherwise we'll be guessing what the commands really said`
`09:36.22`	`Shact`	`well you clearly can't help me can you? you can't perceive the potential`
`09:36.42`	`azeem`	`Shact: we can't help you because you refuse to provide the necessary information`
`09:36.52`	`azeem`	`and it's not up to you to decide what that information is`
`09:36.53`	`ssm`	`shappie: do you get any output from the update-rc.d command?`
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`09:38.02`	`Shact`	`how do you guys not know how dpkg works? if it can't get something it fails. period. not unusual, or complicated. there's not need to paste-bin anything. you clearly can;t help regardless, and have no idea how to, since the output of dpkg is irrelevant. it can't get what's missing. Am i getting through?`
`09:38.11`	`hoohah`	`ssm: i don't quite follow :)`
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`09:38.28`	`azeem`	`Shact: no, because you're wrong`
`09:38.30`	`hoohah`	`ssm: should the post-commit hook simply sudo cp the crontab file?`
`09:38.39`	`shappie`	`ssm: It just says: Adding system startup for /etc/init.d/NZBget ...`
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`09:39.08`	`shappie`	`ssm: And then 7 sentences like this: /etc/rc0.d/K20NZBget -> ../init.d/NZBget`
`09:39.09`	`Shact`	`i'm no wrong, you're just wont admit that you know (or maybe you don't) how anything works`
`09:39.20`	`ssm`	`shappie: the script calls a binary without path, is it in the system's PATH?`
`09:39.32`	`ssm`	`shappie: it may be in your $PATH, but not in the $PATH of the system`
`09:39.44`	`Shact`	`Am I talking to people who are familiar with dpkg, or just first-year uni students?`
`09:39.48`	`jelly-home`	`shappie: on a reboot, does your init script hang or does it pass through but the process doesn't get started? How does it fail?`
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`09:40.12`	`shappie`	`jelly-home: its an NSLU2 so no screen attached only SSH connection...`
`09:40.13`	`hoohah`	`Shact: relax`
`09:40.27`	`aRahim`	`hello`
`09:40.31`	`azeem`	`Shact: you've been silenced for 10 minutes; please try to be more cooperative and productive in the future`
`09:40.34`	`azeem`	`thanks`
`09:40.46`	`aRahim`	`i need some help in booting windows 7 and its entry in grub menu.lst`
`09:40.54`	`shappie`	`ssm: I just run the command i normally run in terminal to start the program`
`09:40.56`	`jelly-home`	`shappie: oh. where is the nzbget binary?`
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`09:41.05`	`hoohah`	`aRahim: not the same procedure with any other windows?`
`09:41.12`	`aRahim`	`i have installed it in 1st partition of 2nd hard disk and grub doesnt boot into it`
`09:41.30`	`shappie`	`jelly-home: http://sourceforge.net/projects/nzbget/ And then the stable version 0.6.0`
`09:41.35`	`ssm`	`aRahim: could you pastebin your grub's menu.lst?`
`09:41.48`	`jelly-home`	`shappie: I mean, which directory did you store it on your system?`
`09:41.50`	`aRahim`	`ssm: ok`
`09:42.15`	`ssm`	`shappie: in the /etc/init.d/NZBget script, try to set $PATH, or use a hardcoded /usr/local/foo/whatever/sbin/nzbget path`
`09:42.33`	`ssm`	`...when calling the binary to start`
`09:43.15`	`shappie`	`ssm: I will try to find the path of the program...`
`09:43.25`	`drizzd`	`can I limit aptitude's package viewer to display only installed unstable packages?`
`09:43.32`	`jelly-home`	`shappie: "which nzbget"`
`09:43.47`	`aRahim`	`ssm: http://pastebin.com/d992d815`
`09:43.48`	`azeem`	`drizzd: apt-show-versions maybe`
`09:43.51`	`azeem`	`!apt-show-versions`
`09:43.53`	`azeem`	`hrm`
`09:43.56`	`drizzd`	`it seems to know about the distributions, but only in the conflict resolution window`
`09:43.59`	`ssm`	`aRahim: thanks :)`
`09:44.13`	`aRahim`	`ssm: i have even added map (hdo) (hd1) stuff but that too failed`
`09:44.19`	`drizzd`	`yeah, I know about apt-show-versions, but I was hoping aptitude could do the same thing`
`09:44.34`	`shappie`	`jelly-home: I got version 0.6.0 stable. And then the platform independent file and then i did: ./configure then make then make install`
`09:44.46`	`ssm`	`aRahim: I see you have rootnoverify and chainloader, I think windows needs "makeactive" as well, in order to boot`
`09:44.58`	`jelly-home`	`shappie: please run "which nzbget" and report the output`
`09:44.59`	`ssm`	`aRahim: see http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/gnu/grub/html_chapter/grub_4.html`
`09:45.30`	`shappie`	`jelly-home: sorry, this is the output: /usr/local/bin/nzbget`
`09:45.41`	`aRahim`	`ssm: i have added makeactive too but it failed`
`09:45.57`	`ssm`	`shappie: try to replace "nzbget" with "/usr/local/bin/nzbget" in the init.d script`
`09:46.16`	`ssm`	`aRahim: is the windows partition the first on your first disk?`
`09:46.16`	`jelly-home`	`shappie: right, so either add /usr/local/bin to the PATH in your script, or do what ssm says`
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`09:46.55`	`blendmaster1024`	`i need a little bit of help`
`09:47.00`	`aRahim`	`ssm: no its the 1st n the second disk`
`09:47.13`	`aRahim`	`ssm: mapping?`
`09:47.20`	`shappie`	`jelly-home and ssm: Im now rebooting i'll report if its working in few min.`
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`09:47.31`	`blendmaster1024`	`i just installed xubuntu to an sd card`
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`09:47.37`	`blendmaster1024`	`for my XO`
`09:47.41`	`blendmaster1024`	`and it won't boot`
`09:47.47`	`ssm`	`aRahim: you're using rootnoverify (hd0,0) on your windows entry, that should perhaps be (hd1,0), then`
`09:48.01`	`blendmaster1024`	`because it tries to remount the rootfs`
`09:48.07`	`jelly-home`	`blendmaster1024: you'll have to ask in #ubuntu (or #xubuntu if it exists)`
`09:48.13`	`blendmaster1024`	`and it can't do the mount part`
`09:48.18`	`kanonmat`	`blendmaster1024: in #ubuntu perhaps?`
`09:48.27`	`aRahim`	`ssm: you are reading XP's entry :D`
`09:48.40`	`ssm`	`aRahim: right :P`
`09:48.44`	`blendmaster1024`	`and no i dn't want o ask in ubuntu there's more knowledge hre and this could happe on any distro`
`09:48.45`	`aRahim`	`ssm: read the last entry for 7`
`09:49.04`	`blendmaster1024`	`mount returns 255`
`09:49.14`	`blendmaster1024`	`i don't know if mount even runs`
`09:49.41`	`blendmaster1024`	`it might be that sh runs and tries to exec mount and it can'r`
`09:49.43`	`jelly-home`	`blendmaster1024: we can't even start to guess about your system bootup procedure. If you can reproduce the issue with Debian, ask here.`
`09:50.00`	`blendmaster1024`	`ohh fine`
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`09:50.27`	`jelly-home`	`initrds may vary a lot.`
`09:51.11`	`ssm`	`aRahim: Is your windows 7 partition marked with the boot flag? (if you type "sfdisk -l" as root, does it have an asterisk in the second field on that disk)`
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`09:51.37`	`shappie`	`ssm: I changed "nzbget -D" to "/usr/local/bin/nzbget -D" but still it doesnt boot...`
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`09:51.58`	`aRahim`	`ssm: yes it has`
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`09:52.40`	`aRahim`	`ssm: look here http://pastebin.com/m229de5d2`
`09:53.21`	`aRahim`	`ssm: xp and other distros in sda and windows7 on sdb1`
`09:53.31`	`ssm`	`aRahim: that should be enough for any other windows, but I haven't tried win7. I'd just google at random from here.... :/`
`09:54.08`	`aRahim`	`ssm: that works for XP but this 7 stuff throws a tantrum`
`09:54.11`	`ssm`	`aRahim: http://blog.lokonopa.com/grub-up-windows-7/ says something about remapping`
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`09:54.54`	`ssm`	`naah`
`09:55.36`	`shappie`	`jelly-home: You got any other idea?`
`09:55.40`	`aRahim`	`ssm: thanks!!!!! thats exact and to the point. eLet see if it works`
`09:55.46`	`ssm`	`the only thing I can think of is to add "makeactive" in menu.lst`
`09:56.05`	`ssm`	`ok, good luck :)`
`09:57.00`	`Shact`	`So, I am silenced and branded unco-operative for refusing to paste-bin a both standard (ie you should know it by heart) and irrelevant output when requested to. Clearly being asked shows that the individual(s) requesting the output doesn't/don't understand the issues in hand. I may as well be asked to paste-bin the Google search results for "knives", as that would have equal relevance (ie none). Regardless, it doesn't seem like there`
`09:57.11`	`Shact`	`I'll let you guys continue reciting the same old stuff like drones and take my expectations for actual intelligence back to the real world.`
`09:58.12`	`shappie`	`Have a nice day`
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`10:00.05`	`STAIR`	`helloz`
`10:00.07`	`STAIR`	`ppl`
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`10:01.05`	`STAIR`	`ineed to install Debian lenny in my laptop but the problem in installing it cant read any drivers or the hard disk`
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`10:05.09`	`Quibusch`	`hi`
`10:05.27`	`STAIR`	`hi there`
`10:06.08`	`jvogel`	`hi`
`10:06.11`	`Quibusch`	`Something weird happened: I clicked on some part of my X-Chat window decoration and now that X-Chat window is gone. But the program is still running. It's not visible in my Window List (in the panel), but I see the process is still running. I launched a new X-Chat to type this... Any idea where that window went?`
`10:06.38`	`jvogel`	`If on the installation I can't select any network mirrors (i think something's up with network connection) can I add it later?`
`10:07.33`	`Quibusch`	`jvogel: sure, but I think it would be better to get the network working at install time, especially if you're using a netinst :P`
`10:08.09`	`jvogel`	`no im not`
`10:08.14`	`jvogel`	`but i couldnt do anything about it :\`
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`10:08.23`	`jvogel`	`every mirror i selected said "bad archive mirror"`
`10:10.03`	`umarzuki`	`hi, I had a problem compiling gyachi on lenny http://pastebin.com/m13c6ebb4`
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`10:10.34`	`umarzuki`	`jvogel: paste your sources.list on pastebin`
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`10:11.02`	`Quibusch`	`umarzuki: it's during the installation`
`10:11.54`	`umarzuki`	`Quibusch: what package provides libtoolize`
`10:12.24`	`Quibusch`	`umarzuki: apt-file search libtoolize`
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`10:12.34`	`Quibusch`	`reveals: libtool`
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`10:12.52`	`jvogel`	`hi Quibusch`
`10:12.55`	`jvogel`	`i have a question`
`10:13.08`	`jvogel`	`i had a 20 GB drive that i set up LVM on so i could encrypt two partitions`
`10:13.29`	`jvogel`	`i had 18.75 GB for root, 1 GB for swap and 256 MB for boot`
`10:13.41`	`jvogel`	`now im installin the boot loader, will it know to go in /boot ?`
`10:14.17`	`Quibusch`	`jvogel: sorry, I don't know.`
`10:14.36`	`jvogel`	`Well I'm prompted to install the boot loader somwhere`
`10:14.41`	`jvogel`	`but i dunno where my /boot is`
`10:15.01`	`Quibusch`	`I rarely install Debian :P`
`10:15.07`	`jvogel`	`heh`
`10:15.14`	`jvogel`	`well was it the right choice to create a /boot`
`10:15.29`	`Quibusch`	`Depends`
`10:15.38`	`jvogel`	`well now im thinking it wasnt`
`10:15.40`	`jvogel`	`lol`
`10:15.43`	`Quibusch`	`It should be possible`
`10:15.46`	`jvogel`	`bc i dont even know what it was called`
`10:15.52`	`Quibusch`	`But I never do it myself anymore. I usually get space problems in /boot`
`10:16.01`	`jvogel`	`o`
`10:16.04`	`jvogel`	`well why did i do that`
`10:16.05`	`jvogel`	`:\|`
`10:16.16`	`jvogel`	`took like 30 mins to set up all those drives`
`10:16.20`	`jvogel`	`i had 2 other encrypted drives`
`10:16.23`	`Quibusch`	`that much?`
`10:16.28`	`jvogel`	`well yes`
`10:16.41`	`Quibusch`	`I never used encrypted drives either, so I'm afraid I can't help you`
`10:16.48`	`jvogel`	`this is probably the first time installing debian for a legitment system on my own`
`10:17.17`	`jvogel`	`my friend who's been there in the past has always done a /boot iirc`
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`10:18.02`	`Quibusch`	`jvogel: well, it's not uncommon at all, it should be fine`
`10:18.05`	`Mattz0r`	`Hey, I've followed this guide http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-debian-lenny-ispconfig3-p3 - However, it appears that my smtp and mysql aren't working now :\|`
`10:18.12`	`Quibusch`	`Maybe you should ask in #debian-boot, which is specifically about the installer`
`10:18.21`	`Quibusch`	`I don't know if they do user support though`
`10:18.23`	`Mattz0r`	`well, according to ispconfig at least`
`10:19.01`	`jvogel`	`Well I just did the default option for LILO`
`10:20.15`	`jvogel`	`lolol`
`10:20.26`	`jvogel`	`i just completed the base installation and i get disk boot failure on startup :(`
`10:20.32`	`jvogel`	`did it rong`
`10:21.34`	`Quibusch`	`jvogel: lilo???`
`10:22.24`	`jvogel`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LILO_(boot_loader)`
`10:22.35`	`jvogel`	`I don't know why it didn't use GRUB`
`10:22.38`	`Quibusch`	`I konw what LILO is, but it has been very deprecated`
`10:22.44`	`jvogel`	`But shit I don't know what the hell I'm doing`
`10:22.52`	`Quibusch`	`The D-I uses GRUB, AFAIK`
`10:23.03`	`jvogel`	`I don't know what happened then`
`10:23.21`	`jvogel`	`I'm using squeeze disc 1 from 5/11/2009`
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`10:23.33`	`Malle`	`how can i find out my cpu usage?`
`10:23.54`	`Quibusch`	`Malle: 'top' in a terminal`
`10:24.09`	`Malle`	`thanks Quibusch`
`10:24.21`	`Quibusch`	`(or open the System Monitor)`
`10:24.31`	`jvogel`	`I'm just gonna give up temporarily`
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`10:24.36`	`jvogel`	`Everything I do shit just breaks`
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`10:24.54`	`Caelum`	`how come su -l foo -c "command" doesn't execute foo user's .bash_profile ?`
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`10:25.52`	`Quibusch`	`jvogel: well, try to ask in #debian-boot`
`10:26.02`	`kanonmat`	`jvogel: was the /boot partition on lvm too?`
`10:27.16`	`Quibusch`	`anyway, for some reason, I still have a problem with a lost window`
`10:27.27`	`jvogel`	`kanonmat: yes`
`10:27.38`	`jvogel`	`only unencrypted partition`
`10:27.38`	`Caelum`	`su -p doesn't work either`
`10:28.20`	`kanonmat`	`grub must be outside lmv, i heard lilo can have a boot inside lvm`
`10:28.42`	`Quibusch`	`ah, that might explain LILO popping up`
`10:28.45`	`jvogel`	`how would i do that`
`10:28.55`	`kanonmat`	`maybe grub2 can do it`
`10:28.56`	`jvogel`	`create a partition for lvm and a partition for boot?`
`10:29.06`	`jvogel`	`well i dont really understand`
`10:29.12`	`jvogel`	`all i know is i needed lvm to have 2 partitions encrypted`
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`10:31.27`	`jvogel`	`i suppose i needed to create an lvm volume and boot volume on the drive`
`10:31.41`	`kanonmat`	`yes`
`10:31.43`	`jvogel`	`but do i really need to specify a boot volume?`
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`10:31.51`	`jvogel`	`if im manually partitioning`
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`10:32.52`	`kanonmat`	`if with grub: make the partition, use ext2, no need for ext3 journal on that one`
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`10:34.26`	`jvogel`	`if i have drives that just store primarily music/movies should i use ext2?`
`10:34.59`	`kanonmat`	`i dont think so`
`10:35.01`	`jvogel`	`kanonmat: will I be prompted for where i want the boot loader installed (like i did the first time)`
`10:35.22`	`kanonmat`	`its just the boot partition, it is small and have juast a few files`
`10:35.33`	`jvogel`	`what size you recommend i allocatE?`
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`10:36.19`	`kanonmat`	`that 256Mb should be more than enough`
`10:36.34`	`kanonmat`	`maybe 100Mb`
`10:36.41`	`jvogel`	`ok`
`10:36.43`	`jvogel`	`i was thinking 256`
`10:36.50`	`kanonmat`	`go with that`
`10:37.01`	`jvogel`	`i mean i gaev it 256 on my 8 GB netbook and managed`
`10:37.19`	`jvogel`	`ok ill give it another go shortly`
`10:37.24`	`jvogel`	`gonna go for a quick run`
`10:37.33`	`kanonmat`	`if partition is too small, you will have to remove old initrds`
`10:37.40`	`kanonmat`	`after a while`
`10:39.05`	`kanonmat`	`boot loader is installed on the mbr?`
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`10:39.33`	`davidisko`	`hi guys, what to do with file like this "-????????? ? ? ? ? ? file"`
`10:40.07`	`kanonmat`	`rename it? what is it?`
`10:40.30`	`azeem`	`davidisko: run fsck`
`10:40.53`	`davidisko`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:40.55`	`davidisko`	rm: cannot remove `interfaces': Stale NFS file handle
`10:41.04`	`dustybin`	`davidisko: leave it alone, thats my root kit :P`
`10:41.18`	`azeem`	`davidisko: "in"?`
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`10:41.22`	`azeem`	`davidisko: /etc/network/interfaces is a file`
`10:41.35`	`davidisko`	`azeem:`
`10:41.52`	`azeem`	`?`
`10:42.04`	`azeem`	`davidisko: as I said, run fsck`
`10:42.07`	`davidisko`	`ok`
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`10:43.06`	`azeem`	`saTTY: it's a helper program`
`10:43.14`	`russo`	`hi all, is there a way to configure my /network/interfaces so that a network interface is brought up (i.e. it does a ifconfig eth1 up) but does not configure the interface with an ip etc?`
`10:43.21`	`azeem`	`use /etc/init.d/<service> start to start it`
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`10:43.29`	`saTTY`	`what exactly the probllrm azeem`
`10:43.35`	`azeem`	`saTTY: I don't konw`
`10:43.43`	`Quibusch`	`Sorry about this silly problem, but does anyone have an idea how i can find my window back?`
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`10:44.13`	`saTTY`	`which program maitain the services`
`10:44.46`	`saTTY`	`how to config`
`10:45.01`	`azeem`	`config what?`
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`10:45.15`	`kanonmat`	`Quibusch: what window manager?`
`10:45.15`	`saTTY`	`~ services`
`10:45.16`	`apt`	`Provides nick/channel/memo services for IRC networks. URL: http://ender.shadowfire.org/ircservices/`
`10:45.22`	`Quibusch`	`kanonmat: metacity`
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`10:47.15`	`saTTY`	`why my services are not starting at boot time`
`10:47.22`	`kanonmat`	`idk with metacity, maybe if you close xchat down, then "killall xchat" and start xchat again`
`10:47.29`	`saTTY`	`azeem,`
`10:47.41`	`kanonmat`	`clumsy solution :)`
`10:48.09`	`Quibusch`	`kanonmat: it's not shut down. If I sent myself a privmsg, I even get the notification`
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`10:50.08`	`kanonmat`	`maybe there is a signal to send to the lost xchat`
`10:50.10`	`azeem`	`saTTY: you need to give more information, like which service and what did you do to have it started`
`10:50.23`	`Quibusch`	`I know it can be fixed by killing the processes, but that's not an interesting solution. I'd like to know how what happened...`
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`10:50.46`	`saTTY`	`azeem, i want to start apache2`
`10:50.53`	`azeem`	`ok`
`10:51.03`	`azeem`	`is it started now?`
`10:51.09`	`saTTY`	`no`
`10:51.17`	`saTTY`	`and hal too`
`10:51.21`	`azeem`	`what happens if you run "/etc/init.d/apache2 start"?`
`10:51.33`	`saTTY`	`its ok !`
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`10:51.41`	`azeem`	`is it started now?`
`10:51.55`	`saTTY`	`yeah ! but not at boot time`
`10:52.27`	`azeem`	`ok`
`10:52.44`	`enouf`	`Quibusch: alt-tab?`
`10:53.13`	`azeem`	`saTTY: is there a file "/etc/rc2.d/S91apache2"?`
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`10:53.16`	`Quibusch`	`enouf: it's not there`
`10:53.22`	`azeem`	`or any other file with apache2 in /etc/rc2.d?`
`10:53.23`	`Quibusch`	`(tried that)`
`10:53.37`	`saTTY`	`yeah`
`10:54.00`	`azeem`	`then it should get started; maybe install+configure bootlogd to debug why it does not get started`
`10:54.01`	`OpenTokix`	`saTTY: update-rc.d is your friend, man update-rc.d`
`10:54.04`	`enouf`	`are you using something like compiz-manager?`
`10:54.24`	`enouf`	`saTTY: /msg dpkg rcconf (is my vote)`
`10:55.01`	`Quibusch`	`enouf: nope, just metacity`
`10:55.43`	`renton_`	`hello I'm on squeeze, my evolution has been upgraded to 2.26, which packages should i install to get Exchange 2007 servers avialable?`
`10:56.30`	`Quibusch`	`renton_: try a command like: "apt-cache search evolution exchange" to find out`
`10:56.30`	`saTTY`	`will be back`
`10:56.37`	`renton_`	`thank you`
`10:57.13`	`enouf`	`Quibusch: wait; what's lost? your window manager?`
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`10:57.40`	`Quibusch`	`enouf: no, just my other X-Chat window. I clicked something on its title bar and then it went missing`
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`10:58.23`	`enouf`	`it might be on another "Desktop"`
`10:59.11`	`Quibusch`	`enouf: I only have one, but I also checked that by adding some and stuff, but nothing came up`
`10:59.23`	`omri`	I'm having the weirdest problem, I'm doing `ping -I 87.69.50.218 walla.co.il' and the ping is comming out of 87.69.50.217 (I saw it with tcpdump); it doesn't seem to bind to that address
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`10:59.43`	`omri`	`both addresses exist on eth1`
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`11:03.14`	`enouf`	`$ dpkg -L metacity Quibusch`
`11:03.18`	`enouf`	`read`
`11:03.48`	`Quibusch`	`enouf: why do you want to know what's in my metacity package?`
`11:03.51`	`enouf`	`(is all i can suggest - the Title bar are almost always the WM (metacity))`
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`11:04.23`	`Quibusch`	`enouf: I even tried to restart metacity`
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`11:04.47`	`Quibusch`	`starting compiz doesn't give me the window back either`
`11:04.49`	`enouf`	`then i don't know, i use neither`
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`11:05.19`	`enouf`	`compiz-<something> has a --replace option or something - try those various related channels`
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`11:05.48`	`Quibusch`	`enouf: I did use replace indeed`
`11:05.54`	`Quibusch`	`I'll check on GNOME`
`11:06.24`	`Quibusch`	`thanks for trying to help`
`11:06.30`	`enouf`	`welcome`
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`11:09.23`	`pabs3`	`does anyone know of an image editor/processor that implements the scale2x family of algorithms?`
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`11:15.33`	`Quibusch`	`enouf: found it! X-Chat has a minimize-to-tray feature :D`
`11:16.02`	`Quibusch`	`see you later and thanks again`
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`11:17.38`	`enouf`	`Quibusch: heh, well so does openbox, and it pissed me off for days - i'd minimize windows and they'd disappear - then i accidentally hit alt-tab - then i remembered (i hadn't used alt-tab for a long time since i use non-bloated browsers ;-))`
`11:18.11`	`jvogel`	`So I have 3 HDDs and a total of 4 partitions... all that I want encrypted. How can I use one passkey to decrypt all these drives? The config i have now will want me to type it 4 times...`
`11:18.43`	`enouf`	`you're using lvm2?`
`11:19.15`	`jvogel`	`Well`
`11:19.25`	`jvogel`	`it says 'lvm'`
`11:20.04`	`enouf`	`judd is sleeping? boo`
`11:20.08`	`jvogel`	`IDE Masters (20 GB): primary 255 MB Boot, primary 19.75 GB lvm`
`11:20.27`	`enouf`	`i think even lenny uses lvm2`
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`11:20.46`	`enouf`	`dpkg -l should tell you`
`11:20.46`	`dpkg`	`ii should tell you 2.6-15 ultra s3kr1t #debian package`
`11:20.49`	`jvogel`	`im running squeeze x64 image form like 2 weeks ago`
`11:21.03`	`jvogel`	`im in the installer`
`11:21.15`	`enouf`	`why?`
`11:21.22`	`jvogel`	`why am i in the installer?`
`11:21.31`	`enouf`	`yes`
`11:21.36`	`jvogel`	`bc im installing debian lol :x`
`11:21.43`	`jvogel`	`setting up my partitions and shiz`
`11:21.44`	`enouf`	`jvogel> im running squeeze x64 image form like 2 weeks ago`
`11:21.53`	`jvogel`	`as in`
`11:21.57`	`jvogel`	`i made the image 2 weeks ago`
`11:22.02`	`jvogel`	`5/11/2009 i downloaded image`
`11:22.05`	`jvogel`	`today i install it`
`11:22.12`	`jvogel`	`sry`
`11:22.22`	`enouf`	`oh .. i see`
`11:22.38`	`jvogel`	`yea so`
`11:22.42`	`jvogel`	`whenever i do setup encryption`
`11:22.46`	`jvogel`	`it asks me for 4 passkeys lolz`
`11:22.48`	`jvogel`	`f that`
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`11:22.55`	`jvogel`	`i mean i dont intend to boot this thing often but geez`
`11:22.56`	`enouf`	`yeah`
`11:23.09`	`jvogel`	`its not liek im trying to do it after the fact, im in the installer!`
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`11:23.27`	`enouf`	`dunno offhand, maybe one form over another? like luks over aes?`
`11:23.36`	`jvogel`	`well`
`11:23.47`	`jvogel`	`do you know if its possible to hae the same passkey for multiple physical drives?`
`11:23.51`	`jvogel`	`if they are separate?`
`11:24.01`	`jvogel`	`if not, then ill at least be entering 3 so why not 4`
`11:24.07`	`enouf`	`jvogel: also, grub2 should enable /boot on lvm , IIRC`
`11:24.14`	`JosefAssad`	`hm, packaging can't be all that hard...`
`11:24.39`	`enouf`	`jvogel: to me, if they're all in the same VG, then that's one Passphrase`
`11:25.15`	`maligor`	`last time I used grub2 with lvm'd /boot it was rather buggy and annoying`
`11:25.17`	`enouf`	`jvogel: i guess you could look into modifying/customizing your initrd and using hooks? again, not sure offhand`
`11:25.23`	`maligor`	`can't comment on current status`
`11:25.40`	`maligor`	`it failed to detect the lvm partitions completely if I had floppy disk connected`
`11:25.44`	`enouf`	`maligor: something was fixed. some months ago`
`11:25.54`	`enouf`	`not sure how long ago you used it`
`11:26.12`	`JosefAssad`	`does p.d.o list all sections? Or just main?`
`11:26.13`	`maligor`	`back when grub2 lvm support was relatively recent :P`
`11:26.25`	`enouf`	`maligor: eww .. that sounds like a bios issue`
`11:26.27`	`Malle`	`how can i find otu what cpu i have`
`11:26.38`	`Malle`	`i know i have AMD64 but i wanna know the speed`
`11:26.42`	`maligor`	`enouf, I doubt it`
`11:26.48`	`enouf`	`maligor: i don't`
`11:26.49`	`maligor`	`enouf, I expect it was just buggy grub2`
`11:26.54`	`enouf`	`nah`
`11:27.04`	`enouf`	`buggy BIOSes are more common :-)`
`11:27.18`	`enouf`	`Malle: /proc/cpuinfo`
`11:27.20`	`maligor`	`you mean all bios's are buggy`
`11:27.32`	`enouf`	`right - that's what i said!`
`11:27.36`	`enouf`	`:-p`
`11:27.51`	`adb`	`Malle: cat /proc/cpuinfo ?`
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`11:28.00`	`maligor`	`I only have floppy to cover the hole it would make now anyway tho`
`11:28.08`	`enouf`	`haha`
`11:28.18`	`maligor`	`can't remember where I put the front plate`
`11:28.26`	`enouf`	`facepalms maligor with a faceplate`
`11:28.47`	`Malle`	`err wtf`
`11:28.51`	`Malle`	`enouf look at this`
`11:28.52`	`Malle`	`http://pastebin.com/m790d3434`
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`11:28.59`	`Malle`	`but i have the image for amd64 installed O_o`
`11:29.24`	`enouf`	`try dmesg \| less ; /msg dpkg what's my hardware`
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`11:29.46`	`enouf`	`what's an image? a JPEG?`
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`11:30.19`	`maligor`	`Malle, what's so surprising about that?`
`11:30.39`	`Malle`	`why do i have AMD64 linux version installed when i have a intel cpu shouldnt it be i386`
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`11:30.52`	`maligor`	`...`
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`11:30.58`	`adb`	`!amd64`
`11:30.58`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>.`
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`11:31.22`	`Malle`	`aha..`
`11:31.26`	`Malle`	`now i understand :)`
`11:31.35`	`Malle`	`clflush size : 64`
`11:31.38`	`Malle`	`this means i got 64bits ?`
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`11:31.49`	`maligor`	`well, the address sizes is more to the point`
`11:31.57`	`amphi`	`Malle: if 'lm' is in cpuinfo flags, it's 64bit`
`11:31.57`	`maligor`	`address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual`
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`11:32.05`	`enouf`	`i'd use file /bin/ls to see userland`
`11:32.30`	`Malle`	`oh x86`
`11:32.38`	`enouf`	`thought he meant userland, since that CPU could use either/or kernels`
`11:32.55`	`enouf`	`er .. you know what i mean`
`11:33.00`	`Malle`	`so i can do fine with amd64 version tho i have x86`
`11:33.11`	`enouf`	`!ports`
`11:33.12`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, ports is http://www.debian.org/ports/ or http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers or the FreeBSD ports system etc etc`
`11:33.18`	`amphi`	`enouf: heh, I thought he meant cpu`
`11:33.37`	`renton_`	`it seems that in debian there is not the "evolution-mapi" package :(`
`11:33.47`	`enouf`	`Malle: x86-64/AMD64 is a subset of x86`
`11:34.05`	`enouf`	`amphi: uname -r ;-)`
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`11:34.46`	`amphi`	`enouf: grep lm /proc/cpuinfo`
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`11:35.21`	`enouf`	`amphi: he wouldn't have a debian -amd64 kernel installed if the CPU couldn't do .. amd64 ;-)`
`11:35.23`	`anoHito`	`which command to list partition info ?`
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`11:35.46`	`enouf`	`fdisk -l`
`11:36.04`	`floe`	`hi all. My /etc/resolv.conf doesn't get updateted correctly. There is always the entry "nameserver 127.0.0.1" but the one for my router ("nameserver 192.168.49.1") is missing. I simply use /etc/network/interfaces with my interface eth0 set to use dhcp (which works),`
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`11:36.51`	`jackweb`	`Hello! I had resolution on GNOME 1440x900, but after update it changes defaultly while running GNOME on 1440x1024. How to set 1440x900 for ever?`
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`11:36.57`	`amphi`	`enouf: one would hope not, indeed ;)`
`11:37.13`	`enouf`	`amphi: just making the point that 'uname -a{r}' is an easy way to see kernel version, the file /bin/ls bit quickly should tell one userland arch`
`11:37.25`	`enouf`	`;-_`
`11:37.29`	`enouf`	`;-)`
`11:37.37`	`amphi`	`right - file(1) FTW`
`11:38.16`	`Malle`	`enouf Linux jalapan2 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Wed May 13 15:37:46 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux`
`11:38.30`	`Malle`	`the clock is 2hours wrong however :/`
`11:38.35`	`Malle`	`where do i set it`
`11:39.00`	`enouf`	`Malle: that's the x86-64/amd64 kernel indeed - however, you could run that on i386 arch or amd64 arch`
`11:39.10`	`Malle`	`kk`
`11:39.27`	`Malle`	`would i get better performance on another linux version`
`11:39.33`	`Malle`	`kernel*`
`11:39.52`	`enouf`	`!+ tell Malle -about set the time`
`11:39.52`	`dpkg`	`told Malle about set the time.`
`11:40.33`	`Malle`	`when i isntall a new package i need to put my install discin`
`11:40.34`	`Malle`	`why !!`
`11:41.04`	`Malle`	`Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 _Lenny_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20090413-02:50'`
`11:41.20`	`maligor`	`enouf, isn't it a superset, not a subset`
`11:41.25`	`amphi`	`Malle: comment out or remove the cdrom lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/`
`11:41.26`	`enouf`	`comment out the cdrom line Malle`
`11:41.32`	`jackweb`	`ok, thanks, I know`
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`11:41.33`	`amphi`	`er, /etc/apt/sources.list`
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`11:41.40`	`enouf`	`maligor: ya know, i'm not sure`
`11:42.13`	`maligor`	`it drops some unused ops tho`
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`11:42.36`	`enouf`	`maligor: yeah - .. well .. isn't/aren't some CPU instructions entirely different?`
`11:42.45`	`enouf`	`yeah - ok .. right`
`11:43.04`	`maligor`	`I don't think it changes existing ops in such a way`
`11:43.11`	`maligor`	`it adds a bunch tho`
`11:43.29`	`sprok`	`I have two problems guys, first off, I plugged the bluetooth dongle into my pc, but the bluetooth icon won't show up. Second my usb drive gets automounted as root`
`11:44.05`	`enouf`	`i mean, i know the definition differences between {super,sub}set -- the super must always contain atleast all of the sub ;-)`
`11:44.40`	`enouf`	`otherwise the sub wouldn't be .. a sub :-P`
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`11:45.33`	`enouf`	`sprok: try poking it with hcitool? see dmesg?`
`11:45.50`	`enouf`	`sprok: Icon? gconf-editor?`
`11:46.05`	`enouf`	`sprok: which automounter?`
`11:46.21`	`sprok`	`enouf, usbmount`
`11:46.38`	`enouf`	`non-HAL, non-D-bus dependent - congrats ;-)`
`11:46.55`	`amphi`	`heh`
`11:46.59`	`enouf`	`dpkg -l usbmount and read docs?`
`11:47.00`	`dpkg`	`ii usbmount and read docs 1.4-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package`
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`11:47.11`	`enouf`	`er -L .. not -l`
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`11:47.40`	`enouf`	`amphi: ergo; no bloated DE required!@ ;-)`
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`11:49.05`	`amphi`	`enouf: aye`
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`11:50.37`	`enouf`	`amphi: do you autologin to your X session without a DM? If so - using which? ~/.xsession , ~/.xinitrc ?`
`11:51.35`	`anoHito`	`how come i attach a hdd with linux partiton to the current linux ,then mkdir /meida/hdd ,then mount /dev/sdb1 /media/hdd, then cd /media/hdd, ls , there is nothing ?`
`11:51.57`	`anoHito`	`run fdisk -l`
`11:52.15`	`anoHito`	`it says /dev/sdb1 linux`
`11:52.16`	`enouf`	`anoHito: refresh your view?`
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`11:52.25`	`anoHito`	`and /dev/sdb2 linux lvm`
`11:52.35`	`anoHito`	`that is all. there are in totaly 2 of sdb found.`
`11:52.38`	`sprok`	`enouf, what is the alternative to usbmount?`
`11:52.44`	`anoHito`	`enouf, how ?`
`11:52.46`	`enouf`	`!automount`
`11:52.46`	`dpkg`	`If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman>, or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>.`
`11:52.51`	`sprok`	`enouf, no docs found`
`11:53.13`	`jelly-home`	`anoHito: did mount command have any output? What does df say?`
`11:53.14`	`enouf`	`anoHito: oh .. sorry, you're in a shell (bash) and you run ls -al?`
`11:53.24`	`anoHito`	`jelly, df -h ?`
`11:53.26`	`hatter_au`	`i use autofs , it works good`
`11:53.35`	`jelly-home`	`anoHito: I said "df"`
`11:53.36`	`enouf`	`anoHito: if you pastebin use df -hT`
`11:53.39`	`anoHito`	`enouf, yes, in local ,not from ssh to do that.`
`11:53.49`	`jelly-home`	`wtf is -T`
`11:53.55`	`enouf`	`FSType`
`11:54.07`	`sprok`	`enouf, I have gnome-volume-manager installed but usb drives don't get automounted`
`11:54.10`	`jelly-home`	`interesting`
`11:54.15`	`enouf`	`nice way to notice mpoop ;-)`
`11:54.22`	`enouf`	`er if present`
`11:54.26`	`anoHito`	`df -hT ?sure ?`
`11:55.02`	`jelly-home`	`has no idea what mpoop might be.`
`11:55.45`	`enouf`	`sprok: so you're using both mounters?`
`11:55.46`	`amphi`	`enouf: autologin? I use startx & ~/.xsession`
`11:56.03`	`sprok`	`enouf, right now yes :)`
`11:56.07`	`enouf`	`sprok: ask dpkg about all that, and read docs, i don't use gnome`
`11:56.31`	`enouf`	`amphi: ahh .. and aye - gotcha`
`11:56.48`	`PingFloyd`	`sprok: do you have hal and dbus installed?`
`11:57.03`	`jelly-home`	`anoHito: just verify you actually have the correct filesystem mounted.`
`11:57.12`	`anoHito`	`jelly-home, please wait.`
`11:57.13`	`enouf`	`PingFloyd: i would've thought they'd be g-v-m Dependencies ...`
`11:57.22`	`PingFloyd`	`enouf: probably`
`11:57.25`	`enouf`	`like gvfs is?`
`11:57.31`	`sprok`	`PingFloyd, yup`
`11:57.52`	`jelly-home`	`anoHito: I hope this is not your dying disk of yesterday or so.`
`11:58.10`	`PingFloyd`	`sprok: what about pmount?`
`11:58.23`	`enouf`	`PingFloyd: but .. as we know too well - our minimalist newbie wannabees don't like to read and get themselves into binds that they have no idea why (not in this case obviously)`
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`11:58.49`	`anoHito`	`jelly-home, no,it is not,another one.`
`11:59.05`	`sprok`	`PingFloyd, btw awesome nick`
`11:59.12`	`PingFloyd`	`sprok: thanks`
`11:59.18`	`sprok`	`PingFloyd, pmount installed too`
`11:59.27`	`enouf`	`sprok: i would probably work on getting your g-v-m fixed and not using usbmount _if_ you use gnome regularly .. as a DE`
`11:59.40`	`enouf`	`!gnome`
`11:59.40`	`dpkg`	`hmm... gnome is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+ - see http://www.gnome.org/ To get GNOME, ask me about <install gnome>. See also <gnome status>. http:/wiki.debian.org/Gnome #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org.`
`11:59.41`	`sprok`	`PingFloyd, it's a messed up situation`
`11:59.44`	`PingFloyd`	`sprok: and is hald running?`
`12:00.04`	`sprok`	`PingFloyd, /usr/sbin/hald`
`12:00.05`	`sprok`	`is`
`12:00.17`	`sprok`	`PingFloyd, so is /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-hal-volume-monitor`
`12:00.20`	`enouf`	`sprok: doesn't gconf-editor give you an iface into g-v-m? or just run ~$ gnome-[tab][tab]`
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`12:00.28`	`enouf`	`and keep yourself from passing out`
`12:00.32`	`anoHito`	`jelly, /dev/sdb1 ext3 99M 5.6M 89M 6% /media/sdb1`
`12:00.44`	`PingFloyd`	`what output for ps aux \| grep hald`
`12:00.49`	`enouf`	`sprok: pgrep udevd`
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`12:01.20`	`sprok`	`enouf, isn't this the pid 1213`
`12:01.24`	`sprok`	`?`
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`12:02.02`	`enouf`	`sprok: so long as _a_ PID returned, it's running`
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`12:03.15`	`enouf`	`sprok: just quicker than typing out "ps aux \| grep hald" and then using the [h]ald hack to rm the original grep line`
`12:03.44`	`enouf`	`might be gconf2-editor sprok ?`
`12:03.53`	`sprok`	`enouf, I agree`
`12:04.01`	`anoHito`	`jelly-home, strange log in sdb1, ls ,no contents.`
`12:04.28`	`sprok`	`enouf, no gconf2-editor, only gconf-editor`
`12:04.36`	`enouf`	`sprok: lenny?`
`12:04.47`	`enouf`	`mix?`
`12:04.56`	`enouf`	`orphaned offspring? :-p`
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`12:06.07`	`jelly-home`	`anoHito: ls -al /media/sdb1 ?`
`12:06.33`	`enouf`	`just realized how that did not to be said - (could be taken by some in an entirely different context .. sorry)`
`12:06.44`	`STAIR`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:06.52`	`anoHito`	`jelly-home, VFS: can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sdb2`
`12:06.59`	`enouf`	`heh`
`12:07.01`	`enouf`	`sdb2?`
`12:07.04`	`anoHito`	`sdb2 is stated as linux lvm`
`12:07.14`	`jelly-home`	`anoHito: you're not doing what I asked you to.`
`12:07.53`	`anoHito`	`jelly-home, it shows . and .. when i do ls -al /media/hdd`
`12:08.03`	`enouf`	`jelly-home: IIRC, s/he mounted /dev/sdb1 to /media/hddor something`
`12:08.25`	`anoHito`	`hmm`
`12:08.32`	`jelly-home`	`anoHito: please paste the actual output instead of doing an interpretation`
`12:08.55`	`anoHito`	`jelly-home, i do ls -al /media/hdd ,it shows only . mark and .. mark`
`12:08.58`	`enouf`	`concurs`
`12:09.02`	`anoHito`	`cant paste, it is not in ssh.`
`12:09.09`	`enouf`	`can to!`
`12:09.24`	`jelly-home`	`anoHito: your machine doesn't have a network connection?`
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`12:10.06`	`anoHito`	`jelly-home, It is another server in the datacentre, and they are asking me for helps, so i am forwarding his requests here.`
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`12:11.28`	`enouf`	`dpkg walot is please atleast pastebin the output of ls -l /dev/disk/by-* ; fdisk -l ; df -hT ; cat /proc/partitions`
`12:11.28`	`dpkg`	`okay, enouf`
`12:12.28`	`enouf`	`dpkg walot is also ; cat /proc/mounts`
`12:12.28`	`dpkg`	`okay, enouf`
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`12:14.12`	`omid8bimo`	`confused about use of tap interface over kvm! :-\|`
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`12:14.29`	`sprok`	`enouf, PingFloyd in gconf-editor there's nothing about usb`
`12:15.01`	`enouf`	`sprok: you're not looking for usb - you want gnome-{volume-manager} area(s)`
`12:15.09`	`jelly-home`	`anoHito: and the other machine doesn't have a network connection? You can install pastebinit or pipe the lines into "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234"`
`12:15.14`	`jelly-home`	`!pastebin pipe`
`12:15.14`	`dpkg`	`Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on Lenny or later (ask me about <pastebinit>). Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234".`
`12:15.16`	`enouf`	`sprok: usually called Removable Drives or something`
`12:15.28`	`sprok`	`enouf, ok`
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`12:15.46`	`enouf`	`last noted the 'nc ...' one was broken not too long ago`
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`12:15.57`	`anoHito`	`jelly-home, it is a lot of trouble to explain those to the datacentre, i will let them fix it up by themsleves, but, Thank you very much , jelly-home .`
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`12:16.00`	`enouf`	`always has to test 1st ... oh well`
`12:17.05`	`enouf`	`sprok: i bet (if tab-completion is working); gnome-[tab][tab] will list like 40 or so things`
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`12:17.31`	`enouf`	`heh - maybe even for gconf-[tab][tab]`
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`12:17.51`	`sprok`	`enouf, nope`
`12:17.58`	`enouf`	`oh well`
`12:18.26`	`enouf`	`gives up - doesn't know enough about certain DEs and stuff`
`12:18.38`	`sprok`	`eheh`
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`12:19.44`	`jelly-home`	`anoHito: yeah. You should look into remotely manageable hardware if you can, going through two indirection steps to provide help is painful`
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`12:19.54`	`blackbeard2000`	`hi`
`12:20.21`	`anoHito`	`jelly-home, :)`
`12:20.25`	`jelly-home`	`luvz his iLO capable serverses`
`12:20.58`	`agaran`	`jelly-home: serial console and another machine around is great too`
`12:21.43`	`jelly-home`	`agaran: esp. if there's a bios console <-> serial binding`
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`12:22.21`	`agaran`	`jelly-home: true, but even if not, grub works fine with serialconsoles.. so at least switching to backup maintenance rootfs is possible..`
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`12:29.13`	`ustunozgur`	`Hi, I can't connect to any svn servers using http/https. It gives the error could not connect to server. The other machines on the network can access the server. How can I debug the problem? I am running sid, and have not installed a firewall. I have tried upgrading to the svn package on the experimental, but that did not help.`
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`12:30.54`	`enouf`	`ustunozgur: need some kioslaves/kioplugins?`
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`12:33.53`	`ustunozgur`	`enouf: I don't know, how do i check? I have kdebase-kio-plugins installed`
`12:34.08`	`enouf`	`ustunozgur: how are you actually trying to connect?`
`12:34.19`	`enouf`	`ustunozgur: svn://svn... ?`
`12:34.21`	`ustunozgur`	`svn co ...`
`12:34.24`	`ustunozgur`	`htpps`
`12:34.25`	`ustunozgur`	`https`
`12:34.32`	`ustunozgur`	`it works for svn://`
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`12:34.46`	`enouf`	`as it should, correct?`
`12:34.49`	`ustunozgur`	`it used to work for http/https then somehow it stopped working`
`12:34.55`	`ustunozgur`	`yes`
`12:35.01`	`enouf`	`what http/https ?`
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`12:35.28`	`enouf`	`svn co https://svn/something../... ?`
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`12:38.07`	`enouf`	`kdesdk-kio-plugins - transparent Subversion access for KDE 4 applications`
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`12:40.18`	`UukGoblin`	`Hi`
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`12:40.35`	`UukGoblin`	`I'm looking for the sources of xmove -- any help would be appreciated`
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`12:40.49`	`UukGoblin`	`apt-get source doesn't seem to work, google is clueless...`
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`12:41.13`	`hexoroid`	`you bloody bloke ;)`
`12:41.14`	`enouf`	`!info xmove`
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`12:41.58`	`ustunozgurhome`	`enouf: did you have any other suggestions? my irc client somehow stopped showing the messages, so i switched to another`
`12:42.18`	`enouf`	`what did you last see?`
`12:42.52`	`enouf`	`ustunozgurhome: /lastlog enouf (would work for irssi)`
`12:42.58`	`ustunozgurhome`	`you asked whether it works for svn:// and i said yes, but it doesn't work for http`
`12:43.09`	`enouf`	`08:30 < ustunozgur> yes`
`12:43.11`	`enouf`	`08:30 < enouf> what http/https ?`
`12:43.20`	`enouf`	`08:31 < enouf> svn co https://svn/something../... ?`
`12:43.23`	`ustunozgurhome`	`yes`
`12:43.31`	`ustunozgurhome`	`I can't checkout svn repos served on http`
`12:43.34`	`ustunozgurhome`	`or https`
`12:43.56`	`enouf`	`is/are port 80 and 8080 and 443 blocked?`
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`12:44.28`	`ustunozgurhome`	`not on the network, since other computers can checkout without problem. I used to be able to, as well`
`12:44.39`	`enouf`	`ustunozgurhome: i guess kdesdk-kio-plugins would only let you use svn:/ as a URI within whichever kde browser`
`12:45.33`	`enouf`	`ustunozgurhome: traceroute? tcpdump? ping? i dunno - see ##networking ? i didn't even think http/https would work with svn .. heh`
`12:45.34`	`sprok`	`enouf, I can't read an ide HD, how do I make it rescan my devices`
`12:45.35`	`sprok`	`?`
`12:46.07`	`enouf`	`!rescan`
`12:46.13`	`enouf`	`hrm`
`12:46.30`	`enouf`	`scsi device? what IDE disk - no need to rescan`
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`12:47.32`	`sprok`	`enouf, sudo fdisk /dev/hdd1; Unable to read /dev/hdd1`
`12:47.56`	`enouf`	`sprok: remove the 1`
`12:48.11`	`sprok`	`enouf, same`
`12:48.11`	`paxcoder`	`anyone experiencing difficulties with NetworkManager applet? It's constantly showing "No network connection" even though I'm clearly not.`
`12:48.16`	`enouf`	`!wayttd`
`12:48.16`	`dpkg`	`What Are You Trying To Do?`
`12:48.41`	`sprok`	`enouf, im trying to read/write on my ide HD`
`12:48.55`	`enouf`	`so mount the partition`
`12:49.11`	`enouf`	`what are you doing with fdisk?`
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`12:49.24`	`sprok`	`enouf, doesn't mount`
`12:49.41`	`sprok`	`enouf, I was trying to read the partition table`
`12:49.49`	`enouf`	`fdisk -l`
`12:50.02`	`enouf`	`cat /proc/partitions`
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`12:50.13`	`sprok`	`enouf, not there`
`12:50.15`	`enouf`	`!doesn't work`
`12:50.16`	`dpkg`	`Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.`
`12:51.04`	`sprok`	`enouf, cat /proc/partitions \| grep hdd1; 22 65 244196001 hdd1`
`12:51.20`	`enouf`	`!walot`
`12:51.20`	`dpkg`	`hmm... walot is please atleast pastebin the output of ls -l /dev/disk/by-* ; fdisk -l ; df -hT ; cat /proc/partitions ; cat /proc/mounts`
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`12:52.18`	`enouf`	`walot is also ; and blkid`
`12:52.25`	`enouf`	`er .. duh`
`12:52.52`	`TongueOfColicab`	`spanish room for debian?`
`12:53.58`	`enouf`	`!es`
`12:53.58`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`12:54.07`	`paxcoder`	`My NetworkManager Applet is showing "No network connection", even though I'm clearly online, with an updated (squeeze) system. Any ideas?`
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`12:54.23`	`paxcoder`	`!hr`
`12:54.23`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that hr is Croatia`
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`13:00.12`	`TongueOfColicab`	`i've downloaded the debian lenny iso from official website, when i try to install it i got an error on load componenents step, it recommend me to check integrity of the cdrom, when i check it i got an error too, then my question is: "This means the ISO i've downloaded is corruptud too?? or maybe just the burned DVD??"`
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`13:01.54`	`elik`	`TongueOfColicab, I'd vote for the dvd.. lenny is released, I doubt such errors would slip in on the dvd`
`13:02.08`	`elik`	`did you try to burn the image and check the integrity afterward?`
`13:02.40`	`TongueOfColicab`	`i just check the integrity on the installation process`
`13:03.00`	`TongueOfColicab`	`dont know how to check otherway`
`13:03.10`	`paxcoder`	`make an iso and cmp ;-)`
`13:03.43`	`paxcoder`	`*to check against downloaded is, so you see if it's an iso or a DVD problem.`
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`13:04.55`	`enouf`	`TongueOfColicab: check the md5sum of the ISO`
`13:05.44`	`TongueOfColicab`	`how can i check for it`
`13:05.51`	`TongueOfColicab`	`im using windows xp in this moment`
`13:06.01`	`elik`	`What does 4 means in 4:3.5.10`
`13:06.23`	`xingu`	`wonders if linux's block layer still pads out the last sector read from a cdrom/dvdrom to the nearest page boundary`
`13:06.36`	`paxcoder`	`enouf: hehe. that'd be a bit easier XD`
`13:06.48`	`paxcoder`	`dunno how on win xp though...`
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`13:07.18`	`cusco`	`hi`
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`13:07.56`	`cusco`	`I guess this must be questioned a lot but.. the gnome-keyring is annoying`
`13:08.13`	`cusco`	`can the keyring status change to unlocked permanently?`
`13:08.29`	`enouf`	`!era`
`13:08.34`	`enouf`	`!eon`
`13:08.46`	`enouf`	`dpkg: ?`
`13:08.46`	`dpkg`	`enouf: I give up, what is it?`
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`13:10.29`	`elik`	`enouf, What does 4 means in 4:3.5.10`
`13:10.36`	`elik`	`That's kde version`
`13:10.41`	`enouf`	`elik: no`
`13:10.53`	`enouf`	`3.5.10 is the kde version`
`13:10.54`	`elik`	`I mean... 4:3.5.10`
`13:10.57`	`elik`	`yeah, right`
`13:11.06`	`elik`	`but is this 4 there to confuse ppl?`
`13:11.10`	`enouf`	`4 is the eon/epic`
`13:11.16`	`enouf`	`yes`
`13:11.21`	`elik`	`!eon`
`13:11.30`	`enouf`	`!epic`
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`13:11.34`	`enouf`	`oh ffs`
`13:11.52`	`elik`	`Dpkg doesn't know abou eon :(`
`13:11.52`	`dpkg`	`wish i knew, elik`
`13:12.06`	`enouf`	`shoots someone with an ionosphere`
`13:12.21`	`elik`	`you gotta be strong to shoot that`
`13:12.28`	`enouf`	`!version`
`13:12.29`	`dpkg`	`Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{version,release,issue} which should grab almost all distros`
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`13:12.34`	`enouf`	`!versions`
`13:12.51`	`enouf`	`read the friggin reference`
`13:12.59`	`enouf`	`i just can't recall the word atm`
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`13:13.15`	`cusco`	`!listvalues keyring`
`13:13.17`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of 'keyring' by value (15 of 17): apt-key-auto ;; backports key ;; backports.org ;; backports.org etch ;; deb-of-trust ;; debian-multimedia.etch ;; debsigs ;; dmm squeeze ;; etch key ;; etch->lenny key ;; import gpg key ;; key ;; multimedia keyring ;; potato mozilla ;; srm-key.`
`13:13.32`	`cusco`	`deb of trust?`
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`13:13.59`	`cusco`	`n`
`13:14.18`	`ustunozgurhome`	`how do I check if i have some firewall enabled?`
`13:14.33`	`enouf`	`!rcconf`
`13:14.33`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, rcconf is a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done`
`13:14.40`	`enouf`	`and even iptables -l`
`13:14.49`	`chazco`	`Anyone know if eGalax touchscreens work with the evtouch driver on Lenny (trying to switch from Ubuntu)?`
`13:14.58`	`enouf`	`guess you'd want to get familiar with various pkgnames ;-)`
`13:15.03`	`Quazar`	`Or try to connect to yourself with another machine?`
`13:15.36`	`ustunozgurhome`	`enouf: I had purged iptables`
`13:15.48`	`ustunozgurhome`	`thinking it was causing the problem`
`13:15.55`	`enouf`	`ustunozgurhome: i guess you didn't remove the rules prior`
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`13:16.03`	`cusco`	`enouf: so you are telling me to disable the gnome-keyring from startup?`
`13:16.04`	`enouf`	`you can't just do that`
`13:16.10`	`enouf`	`cusco: huh?`
`13:16.17`	`ustunozgurhome`	`enouf: I removed some rules too`
`13:16.20`	`cusco`	`sorry I must have missunderstood`
`13:16.34`	`enouf`	`np`
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`13:18.16`	`ustunozgurhome`	`enouf: no, it seems i didn't. I removed selinux related stuff`
`13:18.54`	`enouf`	`ustunozgurhome: does grep -i selinux /var/log/dmesg tell you it's disabled?`
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`13:19.43`	`enouf`	`ustunozgurhome: another possibility is ACLs?`
`13:19.53`	`ustunozgurhome`	`disabled at boot, it says`
`13:19.55`	`enouf`	`!acl`
`13:19.55`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that acl is Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/`
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`13:20.15`	`TongueOfColicab`	`i did the md5sum for the downloaded ISO and the result is the same from the md5sum of the website, it means the error is on the burned DVD?`
`13:20.26`	`enouf`	`TongueOfColicab: yes`
`13:20.37`	`TongueOfColicab`	`then just reburn?`
`13:20.41`	`enouf`	`or something went wrong with the burn process, or media is bad`
`13:20.46`	`enouf`	`yes`
`13:20.54`	`enouf`	`but do it correctly ;-)`
`13:21.06`	`paxcoder`	`remember, the turtle beat the rabbit`
`13:21.06`	`TongueOfColicab`	`hmmpph ok`
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`13:21.11`	`TongueOfColicab`	`ill reburn`
`13:21.27`	`enouf`	`TongueOfColicab: you got it (ISO) from the Official debian site?`
`13:21.41`	`TongueOfColicab`	`yeap`
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`13:21.44`	`enouf`	`TongueOfColicab: ok`
`13:22.06`	`adb`	`TongueOfColicab: use netinstall ... maybe`
`13:22.30`	`TongueOfColicab`	`i cant 'cause the installator dont recognize my network device`
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`13:22.55`	`elik`	`a weird wifi card eh :(`
`13:23.02`	`enouf`	`TongueOfColicab: it should be a NB to burn corrreectly ; however if you have plenty of RAM, you could boot a livecd using various toram= boot options (if you have only one burner), and use that to burn`
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`13:23.28`	`TongueOfColicab`	`NB?`
`13:23.30`	`enouf`	`!installer firmware`
`13:23.30`	`dpkg`	`The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html , http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html and http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to`
`13:23.34`	`enouf`	`!nb`
`13:23.34`	`dpkg`	`NB or nb means Nota Bene, or "note well"; an exhortation to pay attention to what has been said.`
`13:23.44`	`enouf`	`er .. No Brainer!`
`13:24.39`	`TongueOfColicab`	`live cd dont boot this pc =(`
`13:24.46`	`enouf`	`...`
`13:24.47`	`TongueOfColicab`	`ive tried with kubuntu, knoppix`
`13:25.11`	`enouf`	`then you might have other issues as well TongueOfColicab`
`13:25.31`	`paxcoder`	`enouf: maybe you should just apologize to dpkg, it's getting tiring seeing you fight with the bot.`
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`13:26.06`	`jvogel`	`So I installed my base system without any apt mirrors... Now how do I add them?`
`13:26.20`	`enouf`	`heh`
`13:26.25`	`adb`	`!sources`
`13:26.25`	`dpkg`	`The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list`
`13:26.46`	`TongueOfColicab`	`ill try to install lenny on a virtual machine (vmware) it can be do it?`
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`13:26.52`	`TongueOfColicab`	`it can be done?`
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`13:31.53`	`ssm`	`TongueOfColicab, yes`
`13:32.13`	`TongueOfColicab`	`ok thanks i will try it`
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`13:44.51`	`RichiH`	`which HBCI program sucks least?`
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`13:45.44`	`sylar`	`is there some way to enable gparted to do stuff to mdadm raid partitions?`
`13:45.55`	`ndf`	`anyone know how to mount ramfs with a set size limit?`
`13:46.18`	`sylar`	`like resize`
`13:46.30`	`jvogel`	`hi`
`13:46.41`	`jvogel`	`I'm tryign to install the latest snapshot of emacs`
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`13:46.49`	`jvogel`	`How where do i put the public key?`
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`13:50.24`	`dv_`	`how much space is recommended for a partition with debian on it? use case: fileserver`
`13:50.33`	`dv_`	`1 gb? 2?`
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`13:51.16`	`cusco`	`something like that, plus the space you need for your files`
`13:51.22`	`cusco`	`(that you will serve)`
`13:51.45`	`cusco`	`I usually create a / with 1GB and a /home with the remaining space`
`13:51.57`	`cusco`	`sorry`
`13:52.00`	`cusco`	`not 1G`
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`13:52.15`	`cusco`	`5G lol`
`13:53.00`	`cusco`	`but I have to keep track of the space taken from /var/cache/apt/archives/ for instance`
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`14:10.41`	`zxd_`	`what do the numbers ,8 and ,15 mean in @@ -1448,8 +1448,15 @@`
`14:10.46`	`zxd_`	`it's from diff`
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`14:15.14`	`agaran`	`zxd_: basically from 1148 line you will delete 8 lines and put 15, easy`
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`14:21.46`	`mutante`	`after a recent dist-upgrade, i want to use "updatedb" to refresh the "locate" database, but i get "updatedb: fatal error: load_file: Could not open file: /etc/updatedb.conf: No such file or directory". Dont remember any specific questions about this config file during the upgrade process. How to fix it ?`
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`14:23.08`	`mrbob009`	`hr, im having a hard time with debian`
`14:23.36`	`mrbob009`	`i was liek, lets blow some life into this older Thinkpad X31... and install Debian! : )`
`14:24.04`	`mrbob009`	`so i visited the site, first came to the conclusion that there is not just 1 cd iso.. only a 30pack/set of iso's... or dvd's`
`14:24.23`	`mutante`	`you dont need to download all that`
`14:24.24`	`mrbob009`	`..then decided to grab the netinst package`
`14:24.28`	`mutante`	`right`
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`14:25.04`	`mrbob009`	`so i grabbed that, its a x31 ibm laptop, with a ipw2100 wifi adapter..`
`14:25.15`	`mrbob009`	`(connected to a wep spot over here....)`
`14:25.51`	`mrbob009`	`the installer told me, 'i need some firmware for ur wireless network card..' if you have removable media with the .fw file insert it now`
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`14:26.03`	`mutante`	`heh, more than i expected`
`14:26.05`	`mrbob009`	`so i grabbed a usb stick, on another laptop.. dumped the .fw file on it...`
`14:26.12`	`Yancho`	`anyone has any experience with sane / phpsane please?`
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`14:26.36`	`mrbob009`	`did 'next'....... disk usage went 100% and continued to be 100% for 5min`
`14:26.41`	`mrbob009`	`so that didnt work..`
`14:26.59`	`mutante`	`are you sure, maybe it needed longer to compile`
`14:27.05`	`mutante`	`and was really doing stuff`
`14:27.10`	`mrbob009`	`fortunately, i also have 2 pcmcia cards, a cisco cb21ag-k9 card and a senao - prism gt`
`14:27.38`	`mutante`	`cant use ethernet cable for installing once and then setup wifi?`
`14:27.40`	`mrbob009`	`i now inserted the cisco card, and redid the stuff.. but the activity light doesnt go on.............`
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`14:27.51`	`Shockcore`	`hi, if i have a 100mbit ethernet card, and now i have installed a gbit card which is actually supported in my kernel. What should i do so that my new gigabit card is used instead of the old 100mbit one?`
`14:27.51`	`mrbob009`	`its either using a faulty firmware, or driver`
`14:28.06`	`mrbob009`	`no, i dont have a wire / access to the spot directly`
`14:28.47`	`icebrain`	`hi, does anyone know how can I see which process is clogging the hd? Like "top", but with hd usage percentages?`
`14:28.56`	`mrbob009`	`the status light of the cb21ag went green, but never seen the activity light going red`
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`14:29.20`	`mrbob009`	`i doubt, that if i now insert the senao prism-gt card, it will work`
`14:29.54`	`mrbob009`	`the whole problem is`
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`14:29.58`	`mrbob009`	`bussybox`
`14:29.58`	`mutante`	mrbob009: hmm, i guess Murphy`s Law, what about connecting downloading the first of the regular install CDs then, more than netinstall but you dont need all of them
`14:30.13`	`mrbob009`	`i might be able to fix the fc*** wlan connection myself if i had iwconfig /tools`
`14:30.41`	`mrbob009`	`but the tty shells just show me bussybox...`
`14:30.47`	`mrbob009`	`i cant do anything with that`
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`14:31.01`	`mutante`	`i think you can do more with the first bootable full CD`
`14:31.34`	`chazco`	`Hi... i installed Lenny but the fonts are huge... changing the resolution in gnome, then starting appearance options, then changing the resolution back fixes it, but it doesnt persist. Any ideas?`
`14:31.52`	`mrbob009`	`i now did 'continue without a network mirror'`
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`14:32.13`	`mrbob009`	`i guess i can resume this package installation stuff after fixing the wlan myself?`
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`14:32.27`	`mutante`	`yes. you should`
`14:32.33`	`mutante`	`have apt-get to do it all`
`14:33.14`	`mutante`	`you may have to change the sources in /etc/apt/sources.list`
`14:33.39`	`mutante`	`it can contain path to a cd/dvd or to network resources / servers on the net`
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`14:34.53`	`mrbob009`	`ok, well thanks for the suggestions guys (altough i find it a real pain in the a** that i cannot restart the network/ or do anything with iwconfig from the installer)`
`14:35.25`	`mrAZ`	`i compiled 2.6.29.4 with --initrd, installed ok, but kernel is panicking - unable to mount. what else should i check ?`
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`14:39.17`	`konr`	`Is there a version of debian that comes with gnome in one single pretty cd?`
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`14:39.38`	`mrAZ`	`i have in / only : initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 , shouldnt be there link to /boot/initrd.img-2.6.29.4 and new initrd.img-2.6.29.4 in /boot after dpkg -i ?`
`14:39.45`	`SolarisGuy`	`any one having crash issue of psybnc on debian 5, My system is amd 64 bit`
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`14:40.06`	`epidem1k`	`hey all`
`14:40.15`	`epidem1k`	`i have a problem`
`14:40.16`	`epidem1k`	`km36132:~# proftpd`
`14:40.17`	`epidem1k`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:40.17`	`epidem1k`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`14:41.35`	`RUMMY`	`which cd image I need for minimal debian installation?`
`14:42.03`	`adb`	`http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/`
`14:42.27`	`adb`	`mrAZ: update-initramfs -c -t -k 2.6.29.4`
`14:43.37`	`mrbob009`	`uhhhhhh how do i 'down' my wlan0? > iwconfig down wlan0 < doesnt work!?! huh`
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`14:43.57`	`mutante`	`mrbob009: iwconfig wlan0 down ?`
`14:43.59`	`adb`	`ifdown wlan0`
`14:44.17`	`epidem1k`	`any ideas about my questsion?`
`14:44.18`	`epidem1k`	`(`
`14:44.29`	`mrAZ`	`abd: thanx, i see another problem already, update-initramfs Cannot find /lib/modules/2.6.29.4 because i patched it with real time, i think i have to change the name of dir`
`14:45.24`	`adb`	`epidem1k: check permissions`
`14:47.20`	`mrAZ`	`adb: update-initramfs -c -t -k 2.6.29.4-rt15 worked, you think to change link now from initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 to boot/initrd.img-2.6.29.4-rt15 ?`
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`14:47.51`	`adb`	`no , this are different things`
`14:48.19`	`adb`	`do update grub instead`
`14:48.59`	`adb`	`oh error > this are different things`
`14:49.24`	`mrbob009`	`r`
`14:49.25`	`mrbob009`	`hr`
`14:49.29`	`epidem1k`	`adb»» permissions where?`
`14:50.03`	`adb`	`epidem1k: for/from your ftp*`
`14:50.04`	`mrbob009`	`i moved my prism firmware to /lib/firmware, with its original name 2.7.0.0.arm ... after inserting the card > cannot find firmware on stdout`
`14:50.27`	`epidem1k`	`:(`
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`14:51.15`	`mrbob009`	`renamed it to iswl3886.. still >> "cannot find firmware (isl3886)"`
`14:51.15`	`mrbob009`	`renamed it to isl3886.fw .. still nothing`
`14:51.15`	`mrbob009`	`what should i name my firmware? :(`
`14:52.18`	`adb`	`!firmware`
`14:52.18`	`dpkg`	`Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some non-free firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>.`
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`14:53.39`	`mrbob009`	`thanks adb, but i already got the firmwares`
`14:54.10`	`konr`	`guys`
`14:54.25`	`konr`	`is debian's CD1 enough to get a box working with gnome?`
`14:54.41`	`adb`	`konr: yes`
`14:55.04`	`konr`	`adb: great! thanks :)`
`14:55.08`	`adb`	`np`
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`14:57.03`	`adb`	`!isl3886`
`14:57.03`	`dpkg`	`The p54 drivers provide support for several Intersil ISL38xx chipsets (PCI and USB), included in the mainline kernel since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, see http://wiki.debian.org/prism54 for installation instructions. 802.11a (5 GHz) devices are supported from kernel 2.6.28. #prism54 @ irc.freenode.net.`
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`14:58.14`	`Achilleas`	`HI is lenny any less lame of a desktop OS than etch ??? I don't have the time to format my disk...`
`14:58.20`	`adb`	`mrbob009: install 2.6.29 from repos`
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`14:59.27`	`adb`	`Achilleas: !etch->lenny`
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`14:59.49`	`adb`	`!tell Achilleas about etch->lenny`
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`15:00.00`	`boonyo`	`hi, how would do you a recursive copy of a directory but exclude one directory?`
`15:00.02`	`unixSnob`	`i forgot the password to my wifi router, but my system still knows it. How do I see what it is? (it's not in /etc/wpa_supplicant)`
`15:00.24`	`boonyo`	`basically cp /boot /usb but leave out kernel`
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`15:01.10`	`g00se`	`boonyo: might be easier with rsync`
`15:01.51`	`mrbob009`	`is it possible to start the installation of debian net inst from a running tty`
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`15:02.13`	`mrbob009`	`(i got my wireless fixed, now i want the setup to NOT Messup my connection, and just use the freaking thing)`
`15:02.37`	`boonyo`	`iits all on the same host though`
`15:02.51`	`g00se`	`boonyo: doesn't matter`
`15:03.08`	`epidem1k`	`mmm`
`15:03.11`	`g00se`	`boonyo: (i don't think)`
`15:03.13`	`epidem1k`	`i think trouble in openssl`
`15:03.24`	`epidem1k`	`but i dont know what i do`
`15:03.46`	`unixSnob_`	`what's the name of the wifi app that seems to be standard w/ debian and gnome?`
`15:03.56`	`epidem1k`	`adb»» ^`
`15:04.01`	`mrbob009`	`guys, i did a minimal installation (without network) using the netinst cd`
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`15:04.40`	`mrbob009`	`now i would like to 'continue the installation', to get a windowmanager installed etc`
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`15:04.55`	`unixSnob_`	`if I create a new wireless network using the gui, where is that information stored?`
`15:05.10`	`adb`	`epidem1k: i don't get you , do update to lenny will be easier, i guess only`
`15:05.20`	`epidem1k`	`adb»» i update to lenny`
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`15:05.26`	`epidem1k`	`and`
`15:05.29`	`epidem1k`	`this trouble`
`15:05.31`	`epidem1k`	`:(`
`15:05.34`	`epidem1k`	`but`
`15:05.44`	`epidem1k`	`maybe i wrong update my system`
`15:05.52`	`mrbob009`	`anyone!?`
`15:05.52`	`epidem1k`	`i use aptitude upgrade`
`15:06.06`	`adb`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:06.10`	`mrbob009`	`i got a internet connection now..`
`15:06.52`	`epidem1k`	`adb»» ok, run`
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`15:10.01`	`epidem1k`	`adb»» done`
`15:10.17`	`epidem1k`	`anyway`
`15:10.18`	`epidem1k`	`km36132:~# proftpd`
`15:10.18`	`epidem1k`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:10.18`	`epidem1k`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`15:10.29`	`epidem1k`	`oh, sorry`
`15:10.33`	`boonyo`	`g00se, would you happen to know how to do that without rsync?`
`15:11.09`	`Mood`	`how do adjust the left/right position on my display? is there something like "nvidia monitor adjustment" utility in debian?`
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`15:12.35`	`mrbob009`	`is it possible to start the debian installer (of netinst) after it has installed?`
`15:13.35`	`adb`	`epidem1k: dpkg -l openssl , lenny has 0.9.8g-15+lenny1`
`15:13.54`	`adb`	`mrbob009: yes , but why ?`
`15:14.05`	`epidem1k`	`yeah`
`15:14.06`	`epidem1k`	`ii openssl 0.9.8g-15+lenn Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related`
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`15:15.05`	`adb`	`epidem1k: further i can't help :(`
`15:15.11`	`epidem1k`	`:(`
`15:15.21`	`epidem1k`	`anyway thanks`
`15:15.25`	`adb`	`np`
`15:15.35`	`Vorbote`	`mrbob008: to install a graphical desktop after the fact, use tasksel`
`15:16.05`	`Vorbote`	`mrbob008: it will be GNOME by default.`
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`15:16.39`	`mrbob008`	`thats ok`
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`15:17.12`	`epidem1k`	`i think necessery update proftpd`
`15:17.30`	`Vorbote`	`mrbob008: but you can install tasksel tasks with aptitude so, if you want to install, say, KDE, use "aptitude -R kde-desktop" instead.`
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`15:18.23`	`g00se`	`boonyo: Try something like:::function exclude1() { for D in $(find "$1" -type d);do echo "$D" \| grep -q "$3" \|\| cp -Rv "$D" "$2"; done; }`
`15:18.28`	`mrbob009`	`sorry got disconnected`
`15:18.35`	`Vorbote`	`mrbob008: there is a choice of gnome-desktop, kde-desktop and xfce-desktop installs. I'm not sure if the lxde-desktop task made it into lenny.`
`15:18.47`	`g00se`	`arguments source dest excluded_dir`
`15:18.59`	`Vorbote`	`mrbob009: you can install them with aptitude -R`
`15:19.05`	`g00se`	`boonyo: TEST IT ;-)`
`15:19.22`	`mrbob009`	`is KDE recommended to use?`
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`15:19.54`	`adb`	`not for me ;)`
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`15:21.23`	`g00se`	`boonyo: Too hacky that - don't do it;-)`
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`15:22.12`	`Vorbote`	`mrbob009: if you are using lenny, you'll be using KDE 3.5.`
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`15:23.28`	`mrbob009`	`Vorbote yah lenny :)`
`15:23.43`	`mrbob009`	`Vorbote im in the tasksel, and did a 'update'`
`15:23.55`	`Agiofws`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:23.56`	`mrbob009`	`now i see a list of categories, with packages in it....`
`15:24.07`	`mrbob009`	`like 'Security Updates(8)'`
`15:24.24`	`mrbob009`	`but now, how do i actually install these, if i press 'g' it marks them i think`
`15:24.32`	`mrbob009`	`but what is the 'final step to install them?`
`15:24.46`	`Kazuha`	`Pressing 'g' a second time.`
`15:25.02`	`Vorbote`	`mrbob009: select "Desktop Environment". That will install a GNOME desktop with all the bells and whistles.`
`15:25.05`	`mrbob009`	`then it says: Press return to continue. < on a prompt`
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`15:25.16`	`mrbob009`	`and that.... returns me to tasksel :S`
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`15:26.15`	`mrbob009`	`btw, i hear my hd-head being parked the whole time`
`15:26.19`	`mrbob009`	`wtf`
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`15:26.23`	`Vorbote`	`mrbob009: aahh! From a cli type "tasksel install --new-install && tasksel install gnome-desktop" and go for coffee.`
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`15:26.43`	`zhxk`	`what may i help you?`
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`15:27.29`	`mrbob009`	`tasksel: aptitude failed (255)`
`15:27.32`	`Vorbote`	`mrbob009: Ahh, mrbob009 don't worry too much. As long as you can see apt processes with a ps ax in a different terminal emulator, things are working as it should.`
`15:27.47`	`mrbob009`	`it dropped to the console`
`15:27.50`	`positron_`	`Any idea on how to make my framebuffer scroll faster?`
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`15:29.35`	`zhxk`	`turn it off, nonefreembuffer is the fastest`
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`15:29.58`	`Vorbote`	`mrbob009: did the tasksel progress window drop to the console? It means it's finished. When you reboot, it should start up the graphical environment.`
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`15:30.57`	`positron_`	`zhxk: I think it has to do with the resolution I pass to kernel at boot time.`
`15:31.00`	`mrbob009`	`Vorbote: it didnt install anything`
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`15:31.13`	`mrbob009`	`it cannot install kde from network in less then 3sec ;D`
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`15:32.06`	`Bl4ckcomb`	`what's the process that handles audio (standard debian lenny installation) ? emesene just gave a notification sound and the sound now keeps on repeating (kinda torturing) and I prefer not to reboot or restart X`
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`15:32.19`	`naoshige`	`Hello`
`15:32.24`	`naoshige`	`How do I say "ends with -FOO" as a regexp? It has to be case insensitive.`
`15:32.26`	`naoshige`	`-FOO$? *-[fF][oO][oO]$?`
`15:32.26`	`Gruelius`	`Are there any file systems/setups that support pools that can expand dynamically on the fly like zfs?`
`15:32.27`	`mrbob009`	`i had nothing then problems so far with debian :(`
`15:32.31`	`naoshige`	`I don't know where else to ask`
`15:32.31`	`zhxk`	`positron_:it should be the hardware that scrools only that fast`
`15:32.58`	`Gruelius`	`im using ext3 + lvm atm but it requires me to manually expand/shrink pools`
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`15:33.31`	`positron_`	`Okay.`
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`15:34.31`	`zhxk`	`well, my mouse sometime performes a duble click when i just issue a single click`
`15:34.41`	`mrbob009`	`Vorbote: after a reboot, its going better now`
`15:35.28`	`paxcoder`	`So only my NetworkApplet is broken!?`
`15:35.40`	`paxcoder`	`*networkmanager applet`
`15:35.54`	`Gun_Smoke`	`paxcoder, drop it for wicd.. much better anyhow`
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`15:36.43`	`paxcoder`	`lemme check out what it says`
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`15:38.07`	`Gun_Smoke`	`does anyone know how to change the background on a remote machine? I only have ssh to it. So what config file points to what image is to be used?`
`15:38.09`	`paxcoder`	`umm it's gui doesn't start`
`15:38.17`	`Gun_Smoke`	`paxcoder, ?`
`15:38.21`	`Gun_Smoke`	`wicd?`
`15:38.28`	`paxcoder`	`yes`
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`15:38.41`	`paxcoder`	`dbus exception o.O`
`15:38.52`	`Gun_Smoke`	`start it once from Applications>Internet>wicd`
`15:39.11`	`paxcoder`	`no go, i did it from the cli then and got this`
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`15:40.23`	`adb`	`aptitude install --reinstall wicd`
`15:40.37`	`epidem1k`	`hmmm`
`15:40.44`	`epidem1k`	`support.c:50:29: error: openssl/crypto.h: No such file or directory`
`15:40.47`	`epidem1k`	`what wrong?`
`15:40.58`	`epidem1k`	`make on proftpd`
`15:41.10`	`paxcoder`	`still no go`
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`15:41.54`	`paxcoder`	`http://pastebin.com/d1b7ba48`
`15:41.58`	`adb`	`epidem1k: tried proftpd from repos ?`
`15:42.08`	`epidem1k`	`how?`
`15:42.17`	`epidem1k`	`i can't remove psa`
`15:42.23`	`adb`	`aptitude install proftpd ?`
`15:42.32`	`epidem1k`	`^`
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`15:43.00`	`epidem1k`	`The following packages will be REMOVED:`
`15:43.00`	`epidem1k`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:43.08`	`epidem1k`	`i can't this do`
`15:43.10`	`Gun_Smoke`	`no clue paxcoder`
`15:43.11`	`epidem1k`	`0`
`15:43.12`	`paxcoder`	`actually, here's the whole thing: http://pastebin.com/d2988d9cd`
`15:43.12`	`epidem1k`	`)`
`15:43.22`	`paxcoder`	`Gun_Smoke: ok`
`15:44.00`	`Vorbote`	`epidem1k: you really, really, need to read http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/`
`15:44.12`	`Gun_Smoke`	`I'd purge remove it.. reinstall it, and try to start it again..`
`15:44.13`	`Vorbote`	`epidem1k: Debian isn't slackware, you know.`
`15:44.17`	`Gun_Smoke`	`paxcoder, ^`
`15:44.18`	`epidem1k`	`yes`
`15:44.25`	`epidem1k`	`and?`
`15:44.36`	`epidem1k`	`my trouble is`
`15:44.40`	`epidem1k`	`http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?t=82005&highlight=compiled+OpenSSL+version`
`15:44.43`	`epidem1k`	`^`
`15:45.24`	`adb`	`to old : May 19, 2008`
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`15:46.05`	`epidem1k`	`and`
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`15:46.19`	`epidem1k`	`i don't know what i do`
`15:46.21`	`epidem1k`	`:(`
`15:46.30`	`adb`	`aptitude install proftpd ?`
`15:46.34`	`epidem1k`	`proftpd can't make`
`15:46.45`	`epidem1k`	`adb, this step delete my psa`
`15:46.46`	`adb`	`!b-e`
`15:46.46`	`dpkg`	`hmm... build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.`
`15:47.15`	`v4nelle`	`guys on my squezze,monitor resolution detect my tv but it cant gine diffirent resolution on my laptop display and tv....any help?`
`15:48.19`	`v4nelle`	`i must check [mirror screens] and go from 1280x800 to 1024x800 to have good resolution on tv`
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`15:49.57`	`epidem1k`	`mmm`
`15:50.06`	`epidem1k`	`i can downgrade from lenny to etch?`
`15:50.15`	`adb`	`no`
`15:50.33`	`epidem1k`	`fuck`
`15:50.44`	`epidem1k`	`:(`
`15:50.52`	`epidem1k`	`and proftpd not make`
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`15:51.41`	`enouf`	`v4nelle: /msg dpkg dual monitors ; see #v4l`
`15:54.03`	`adb`	`ftp must to die, forget the bot message`
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`15:55.26`	`epidem1k`	`oh`
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`15:55.32`	`epidem1k`	`i need reinstall psa`
`15:55.43`	`adb`	`epidem1k: well psa it's not debian, isn't it ?`
`15:55.48`	`epidem1k`	`yes`
`15:56.02`	`adb`	`so not on topic here`
`15:56.30`	`Gun_Smoke`	`epidem1k, I liked vsftpd`
`15:56.34`	`zhxk`	`dual monitors is good`
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`15:56.57`	`epidem1k`	`Gun_Smoke»» hes works with plesk? )`
`15:57.05`	`icebrain`	`adb: I think the problem is that you can't install two FTP servers on Debian`
`15:57.45`	`Gun_Smoke`	`epidem1k, I don't know what plesk is.`
`15:57.47`	`adb`	`? no, it's ftp *`
`15:58.05`	`Gun_Smoke`	`but ftp is ftp isn't it? vsftpd is just hardened.`
`15:58.06`	`epidem1k`	`Gun_Smoke»» http://www.parallels.com/products/plesk/`
`15:58.07`	`enouf`	`sure you can, just stop one; /msg dpkg rcconf`
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`15:58.45`	`icebrain`	`enouf: apt/itude doesn't let you`
`15:58.54`	`enouf`	`man update-alternatives`
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`15:59.29`	`enouf`	`well .. then .. seems like the SMTP / email server thing too`
`15:59.36`	`enouf`	`er MTA`
`15:59.38`	`icebrain`	`enouf: they are both versions of the "ftp-server" package, so when you install one you can't install another`
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`16:00.11`	`enouf`	`icebrain: compile one, and install into /usr/local/`
`16:00.13`	`icebrain`	`enouf: every ftp-server package conflicts with all the others`
`16:00.13`	`enouf`	`:-)`
`16:00.26`	`icebrain`	`enouf: yeah, but epidem1k can't compile it :P`
`16:00.33`	`epidem1k`	`yeah`
`16:00.40`	`enouf`	`then compile the other one`
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`16:01.13`	`enouf`	`use debootstrap to advantage -- multiple installs :-)`
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`16:01.47`	`icebrain`	`ftp-servers shouldn't conflict with others, IMO. Compiling one it a hackish trick, not a good solution`
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`16:02.58`	`lamit`	`Hello! I need help configuring powernowd to speed scale Intel Core 2 Duo. I installed lenny with the standard kernel and i can not get it to work. "modprobe -l\|grep 'cpu/'" only shows speedstep-centrino, powernow-k8 and acpi-cpufreq. But shouldnt there be another module for an Intel Core 2 Duo? Where acn I get it?`
`16:03.18`	`epidem1k`	`http://dpaste.com/46966/`
`16:03.27`	`epidem1k`	`trouble on make proftpd ^`
`16:03.32`	`lamit`	`I tried to modprobe an of the modules, all throw an error saying that the device is not there`
`16:05.15`	`icebrain`	`epidem1k: have you installed libssl-dev?`
`16:05.22`	`epidem1k`	`hmm`
`16:05.26`	`epidem1k`	`i dont know`
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`16:05.32`	`epidem1k`	`sec`
`16:05.48`	`epidem1k`	`no`
`16:05.54`	`epidem1k`	`installed`
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`16:07.16`	`epidem1k`	`yesss`
`16:07.21`	`epidem1k`	`icebrain»» thanks )`
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`16:07.32`	`icebrain`	`np`
`16:08.34`	`enouf`	`lamit: is your BIOS configured properly?`
`16:08.54`	`enouf`	`see /Documentation/cpu/ and lesswatts.org`
`16:09.15`	`epidem1k`	`- Fatal: unknown configuration directive 'AuthPAM' on line 58 of '/etc/proftpd.conf'`
`16:09.20`	`epidem1k`	`:(`
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`16:09.38`	`masood`	`hello`
`16:09.59`	`enouf`	`epidem1k: suggest you dpkg -L proftpd \| grep doc and read`
`16:10.15`	`enouf`	`and hit those man pages`
`16:10.35`	`masood`	`i have a problem with network-manager on lenny, can anyone help me out?`
`16:10.52`	`enouf`	`just explain`
`16:11.06`	`enouf`	`!nm`
`16:11.06`	`dpkg`	`nm is probably New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see http://nm.debian.org/ . A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. See also <maint-guide>, <network-manager>.`
`16:11.20`	`enouf`	`!network-manager`
`16:11.20`	`dpkg`	`[network manager] Network management framework daemon. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions. Squeeze users: ask me about <network manager squeeze>. Supported device list: http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerHardware . http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ #networkmanager on irc.gnome.org. See also <wireless connection managers>.`
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`16:13.49`	`masood`	`well, i spend a few hours google a solution but it just seems others don't have this problem. I cannot connect to any wireless network using nm on lenny fresh install. is there anything i have to do to be abale to connect to WPA-network/`
`16:13.50`	`masood`	`?`
`16:14.15`	`enouf`	`!wpasupplicant`
`16:14.15`	`dpkg`	`wpa is probably Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant`
`16:14.17`	`masood`	`most tutorials are about /etc/network/interfaces which i think is not related to nm`
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`16:14.51`	`enouf`	`no idea what gnome does`
`16:14.54`	`icebrain`	`masood: nm seems to be problematic when connecting to WPA - I use wpa-supplicant directly configured using the config files`
`16:15.19`	`epidem1k`	`guys`
`16:15.22`	`epidem1k`	`thanks to all`
`16:15.25`	`epidem1k`	`i do it`
`16:15.26`	`epidem1k`	`:)`
`16:15.27`	`epidem1k`	`verhvhod:tg456454@87.118.86.168`
`16:15.29`	`epidem1k`	`îé`
`16:15.31`	`enouf`	`hang around - ask again in some minutes ... patience - oh, /msg dpkg gnome`
`16:15.33`	`epidem1k`	`ups)`
`16:15.42`	`epidem1k`	`well`
`16:15.47`	`enouf`	`!win epidem1k`
`16:15.47`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, epidem1k! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!`
`16:15.59`	`masood`	`this is debian specific? as nm works like a charm on fedora and ubuntu out-of-box`
`16:16.09`	`enouf`	`use them then`
`16:16.20`	`epidem1k`	`enouf»» :)`
`16:16.41`	`enouf`	`or help out, check BTS, file bugs, etc`
`16:16.52`	`masood`	`is that your solution to every problem?`
`16:17.12`	`enouf`	`Lenny, eh? hrm .. old gnome crud`
`16:17.33`	`enouf`	`just stop using GUI for configuring important shit`
`16:17.46`	`lvh`	`Anyone have any experience with distributed bug trackers? Specifically, ones they like?`
`16:18.00`	`lvh`	`I'm currently using ditz, and it's okay -- I'm looking for people who've used stuff other than ditz.`
`16:18.23`	`masood`	`well, it seems no one uses nm here, so i better dig the solution somewhere else`
`16:18.27`	`masood`	`thanks anyways`
`16:18.46`	`icebrain`	`masood: nm seems to be very buggy, at least accessing WPA-Enterprise networks, both in Debian as well as Ubuntu`
`16:19.17`	`xingu`	`lvh: queuing theory teaches us that it's better to discard (hence, backoff and retry) than queue.`
`16:19.25`	`icebrain`	`masood: lots of failures to connect and keep it running`
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`16:19.40`	`enouf`	`masood: not sure, might wicd work better?`
`16:19.46`	`lvh`	`xingu: What?`
`16:19.58`	`lvh`	`xingu: How does this fit into my question about distributed issue trackers?`
`16:20.00`	`masood`	`i tried wicd and got the same result`
`16:20.11`	`enouf`	`ok`
`16:20.27`	`masood`	`is it possible that rtl8187 is not supported by the version supplied on lenny?`
`16:20.32`	`xingu`	`lvh: after getting on for two decades worth of watching organisations fumble their way through various ticketing systems I've come to the conclusion that largely they're used as rugs to brush organisational problems under`
`16:21.06`	`enouf`	`!shag xingu`
`16:21.06`	`dpkg`	`gives xingu a good seeing to, know what I mean, say no more`
`16:21.11`	`icebrain`	`masood: are you using a pre distributed key? there are some template wpasupplicant.conf files you can use`
`16:21.12`	`enouf`	`:-P`
`16:21.19`	`adb`	`!tell masood about rtl8187`
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`16:22.07`	`xingu`	`lvh: if developers are too busy to work on a bug straight away and can't remember a bug filed too long ago then throwing the report in the bin and letting the user re-raise is usually 1/ what happens anyway and 2/ more effective as it passes the signal back up the stack, so to speak - putting the bug-reporter back in control of outcomes.`
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`16:22.27`	`enouf`	`dpkg: shag =~ s/mean,/mean? .../`
`16:22.28`	`dpkg`	`enouf: that doesn't contain 'mean,'`
`16:22.32`	`masood`	`icebrain: i actually did follow the instructions on a tutorial to setup wpa_suplicant and use it in interfaces but i still can't get anywhere`
`16:22.46`	`enouf`	`dpkg: shag =~ s#mean,#mean? ...#`
`16:22.46`	`dpkg`	`that doesn't contain 'mean,', enouf`
`16:22.49`	`lvh`	`xingu: I like issue trackers because I like GTD.`
`16:22.53`	`epidem1k`	`bye all`
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`16:22.58`	`epidem1k`	`thanks`
`16:22.59`	`icebrain`	`masood: have you disabled nm before?`
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`16:23.33`	`masood`	`icebrain: yep, i uninstalled it`
`16:24.14`	`masood`	`icebrain: you guys can get it work out-of-box, right?`
`16:24.20`	`Piet`	`somewhat offtopic, but would not know where else to ask: does an ipmiv2 device _have to_ support AES encryption and SHA-1 based authentication? or does it mean that it _can_ support this?`
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`16:24.51`	`xingu`	`lvh: I understand the appeal, but my experience is that it's mostly platonic conceit to pretend that the real world will obey the stipulations of any system`
`16:24.59`	`icebrain`	`masood: I would try fiddling around with "wpa_cli" (try scanning, asking for status, etc), but can't help you in more specific questions, sorry`
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`16:25.17`	`zinx`	`Piet: sounds like something that would be answered in the specs :/`
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`16:25.25`	`xingu`	`lvh: nature really does tend to favour telling people "take a hike, I'm busy"`
`16:26.08`	`masood`	`icebrain: ok, i give it a try again. thanks for the help`
`16:26.43`	`Piet`	`zinx: i guess :) hoped someone would know OTTOMH`
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`16:28.20`	`xingu`	`lvh: in network design, we call that the intelligent edge (or end node) effect; basically, the transport signals right back to the requesting party that the request has failed due to finite resource; at which point the requesting party is responsible for routing around the damage (which is after all the best outcome possible in such a scenario)`
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`16:29.02`	`lvh`	`xingu: requesting parties in network design are smart`
`16:29.05`	`lvh`	`xingu: software end users are dumb`
`16:29.42`	`xingu`	`lvh: of course where people filing bugs are lazy or unintelligent their preference is to assume infinite capacity - but this is just cost shifting after all, like an x.25 customer bleating that you're not upgrading your backbones fast enough for their taste.`
`16:30.47`	`xingu`	`lvh: they don't have to be; if they're not capable of using the tool to increase their productivity above the marginal cost (to them) of the tool itself (and part of this is dealing with bugs intelligently) then literally they're cost-shifting and you probably don't want to compress your margins by playing the game.`
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`16:30.59`	`xingu`	`but hey. :)`
`16:31.22`	`lvh`	`xingu: You're a bitter, bitter man.`
`16:31.29`	`lvh`	`xingu: Are you familiar with Candide?`
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`16:32.33`	`xingu`	`lvh: I've seen it in passing, not used it in depth`
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`16:32.58`	`lvh`	`xingu: Em, yeah, no.`
`16:33.08`	`lvh`	`xingu: Candide is a book. By Voltaire.`
`16:33.30`	`xingu`	`oh, I've also seen a crm system with a module for ticketing called candide. :)`
`16:33.36`	`xingu`	`how bizarre`
`16:33.59`	`lvh`	`xingu: Well, the story is about warrantless optimism ;-)`
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`16:34.53`	`xingu`	`lvh: I find it helps me to classify the economy underpinning problems; it helps me identify where a price signal if you will is being masked such that it can be addressed.`
`16:34.55`	`KURAY`	`sal`
`16:35.00`	`KURAY`	`!list`
`16:35.01`	`dpkg`	`kuray: VATTENE VIA`
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`16:36.13`	`blackbeard2000`	`what is a user-administration-tool with GUI but without KDE/GNOME? I would prefer for XFCE... but could be anything other, too`
`16:37.22`	`blackbeard2000`	`the gnome-tool "users-admin" is not found by my aptitude, too... what is the name?`
`16:38.39`	`blackbeard2000`	`wait... without gui is ok, too... but some ncurses-"gui" i would love. not just the plain adduser addgroup and so on`
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`16:39.24`	`adb`	`gnome-control-center`
`16:39.52`	`blackbeard2000`	`without installing all of gnome?`
`16:40.05`	`elik`	`How can aptitude tell me installing kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 will totally fuck up my system and apt-get just say lots of stuff will be updated, and kdebase-bin-kde3 simply be removed`
`16:40.18`	`ustunozgur_`	`I have a debian box and an ubuntu box with almost the same hardware. The ubuntu box seems to be snappier. How can I improve the performance of debian?`
`16:41.22`	`elik`	`ustunozgur_, erase the content of init.d`
`16:41.38`	`elik`	`ustunozgur_, it will be uber snappy`
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`16:41.49`	`blackbeard2000`	`gnome-control-center has _a lot_ of dependencies... thats what i wanted to avoid`
`16:42.08`	`elik`	`blackbeard2000, what's wrong with command line user admin?`
`16:42.10`	`ustunozgur_`	`elik: ok, i did, shall i restart?`
`16:42.23`	`blackbeard2000`	`eli: k my laziness ^^`
`16:42.35`	`elik`	`blackbeard2000, :P`
`16:43.00`	`elik`	`ustunozgur_, stop being so silly`
`16:43.40`	`elik`	`ustunozgur_, of course you need to restart`
`16:44.00`	`blackbeard2000`	`elik: commandline would be ok, too... but a bit more comfort would be nice`
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`16:44.32`	`ustunozgur_`	`would compiling my own kernel help much in terms of performance?`
`16:44.32`	`elik`	`blackbeard2000, I guess xfce has its equivalent.. look up their website maybe`
`16:44.37`	`blackbeard2000`	`i have seen it allready... but i cant remember the name and google doesnt help me atm...`
`16:45.23`	`adb`	`www.xfce.org`
`16:45.47`	`adb`	`first try ...`
`16:45.51`	`blackbeard2000`	`adb i am there allready`
`16:46.26`	`jetscreamer`	`!gentoosmite ustunozgur`
`16:46.26`	`dpkg`	`spends 5 days recompiling ustunozgur, and when it's all done, ustunozgur runs 8% slower than previously`
`16:47.11`	`blackbeard2000`	`has obviously the wron search parameters`
`16:47.17`	`blackbeard2000`	`wrong`
`16:47.30`	`elik`	`jetscreamer, make that ustunozgur_ just to be sure`
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`16:48.10`	`ustunozgur_`	`ok, you really have no sound advice?`
`16:48.50`	`jetscreamer`	`usually you shouldn't see it. it may be there but you probably wouldn't be able to tell. try it, won't take to long on a modern machine.`
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`16:50.44`	`jetscreamer`	`s/to/too/`
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`16:51.20`	`darkham`	`i have problems connecting my nokia n70 with AnyRemote, i can connect right the phone for sharing files, but the java client of anyremote in the phone find the pc , but don't let me choose...`
`16:51.25`	`darkham`	`how can i do`
`16:51.26`	`darkham`	`?`
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`16:52.28`	`ustunozgur_`	`jetscreamer: I was actually asking some advice on system performance improvement, not only own kernel compilation. I have tried changing atime of partititons. things like that.`
`16:52.42`	`blackbeard2000`	`ok give up.. i dont see anything on http://www.xfce.org/search/?cx=008920933163277390313%3Arifucd7pcta&q=user+manager&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A11#1171`
`16:52.56`	`blackbeard2000`	`any good ncurses-user-manager around?`
`16:53.46`	`jetscreamer`	`ustunozgur_: don't run kde or gnome is all i can think of :)`
`16:54.07`	`jetscreamer`	`gtg`
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`16:54.52`	`ustunozgur_`	`I used to use xfce, then switched to kde. maybe i should go back, I don't know.`
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`16:56.49`	`peter_12`	`Where is the fhs-correct locaton for cgi-bin directory? Since they are read-only it seems somewhere under "lib" would make sense`
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`16:57.15`	`arvind_khadri`	`peter_12, /var/www i guess`
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`16:57.40`	`peter_12`	`arvind_khadri: isn't "var" for files that change during execution?`
`16:58.01`	`arvind_khadri`	`peter_12, cgi-bin is stored there only ....`
`16:58.09`	`blackbeard2000`	`a bit of linuxconf would be good... but i dont think it works that good with debian, isnt it?`
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`17:02.27`	`blackbeard2000`	`argh... cant be possible... i just find other people which search for an "user-management-tool for console"`
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`17:03.39`	`peter_12`	`arvind_khadri: it looks like it is supposed to go under /srv`
`17:03.57`	`peter_12`	`"This main pur pose of specifying this is so that users may ï¬nd the location of the data ï¬les for par ticular`
`17:03.57`	`peter_12`	`ser vice, and so that ser vices which require a single tree for readonly data, writable data and scripts (such as`
`17:03.57`	`peter_12`	`cgi scripts) can be reasonably placed."`
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`17:04.22`	`celesteh`	`hi, i'm trying to run puredyne off a pendrive and i understand that i need to bless something. however, i'm not sure which file`
`17:04.54`	`nickgrey147`	`i would help but iam athiest`
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`17:04.56`	`boxxertrumps`	`is there any easy way to have a user logon without a password`
`17:05.04`	`arvind_khadri`	`peter_12, but afaik the packages like apache search for the directory in /var/www , anyways it depends upon where you want to place it`
`17:05.08`	`boxxertrumps`	`remote or otherwise?`
`17:05.21`	`\amethyst`	`!ssh keys`
`17:05.21`	`dpkg`	`hmm... ssh keys is http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/`
`17:05.27`	`celesteh`	`nickgrey147, what do you say when somebody sneezes?`
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`17:05.36`	`peter_12`	`arvind_khadri: what do you mean by "search"?`
`17:05.38`	`nickgrey147`	`boxxertrumps: local its in the logon menu . and remote ,, i gues preshared keys ?`
`17:05.39`	`\amethyst`	`'Gesundheit'?`
`17:05.54`	`nickgrey147`	`celesteh: dont do it again :D`
`17:06.17`	`celesteh`	`is debian/pure:dyne an EFI-based system?`
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`17:08.28`	`enouf`	`doubt it - thought it was a livecd - audio/multimedia - ask in their channel though`
`17:08.36`	`Yancho`	`how can icompletely remove proftpd please?i installed it as inetd mode but i want it as standalone and it keeps installing without asking me for config - i did --purge remove`
`17:09.19`	`nickgrey147`	`Yancho: rm the config files`
`17:09.20`	`enouf`	`Yancho: maybe after --purge remove you dpkg-reconfigure openbsd-inetd .. install configure-debian; use it with -l`
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`17:09.38`	`nickgrey147`	`Yancho: listen to that guy instead :P`
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`17:10.26`	`celesteh`	`enouf, do you know which channel they use?`
`17:10.40`	`Yancho`	`so enouf after remove i need to dpkg-reconfigure openbsd-inetd ?`
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`17:12.32`	`enouf`	`celesteh: not offhand`
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`17:12.44`	`celesteh`	`thanks, enouf`
`17:12.47`	`enouf`	`Yancho: just a guess - you mentioned inetd`
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`17:13.13`	`enouf`	`celesteh: is it called dyne:bolic or something?`
`17:13.23`	`celesteh`	`pure:dyne`
`17:13.40`	`enouf`	`well, i recall a livecd called dyne:bolic`
`17:13.57`	`celesteh`	`it's probably a closely related distro. i'm abit of a noob`
`17:14.14`	`arvind_khadri`	`what do i need to do in order to make rhythmbox play radio stations?`
`17:14.18`	`enouf`	`debian has many offshoots - so google is your friend ;-)`
`17:14.30`	`nickgrey147`	`vsftpd > proftpd`
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`17:15.10`	`Yancho`	`nickgrey147 is it easier to mantain? and lightweight? i just want it for the random ftp transfer`
`17:15.20`	`skrite`	`hey all, first time here`
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`17:15.29`	`enouf`	`!vsftpd`
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`17:15.29`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, vsftpd is the "Very Secure FTP Daemon", a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. Frequently Asked Questions: ftp://vsftpd.beasts.org/users/cevans/untar/vsftpd-2.1.0/FAQ . http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ #vsftpd @ irc.freenode.net. See also <ftpd>.`
`17:15.40`	`nickgrey147`	`Yancho: it is SUPER simple :D way easyer`
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`17:15.53`	`Yancho`	`ok removeing the other ne and giogn there :) thanks`
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`17:16.46`	`enouf`	`Yancho: i bet debian-administration.org and maybe even wiki.debian.org would have useful info / hints about vsftpd`
`17:17.02`	`Yancho`	`yep m reading their manual :D`
`17:17.13`	`nickgrey147`	`Yancho: np :) and if u want to enable local login , all u do is go to the /etc/vsftpd.conf and remove like to comments and done :) there is like no setup :)`
`17:17.18`	`enouf`	`!be a very good reading barbie!`
`17:17.21`	`enouf`	`;-)`
`17:19.17`	`boxxertrumps`	`hmmm, i can really only remote into the box`
`17:19.26`	`Shockcore`	`hi, if i have a 100mbit ethernet card, and now i have installed a gbit card which is actually supported in my kernel. What should i do so that my new gigabit card is used instead of the old 100mbit one?`
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`17:19.48`	`OpenTokix`	`Shockcore: edit /etc/network/interfaces`
`17:20.20`	`blackbeard2000`	`ok... security-gurus here? what do you think about http://wiki.fukt.bsnet.se/wiki/Mandos ... its an solution to boot encrypted-root-fs unattended`
`17:20.26`	`arvind_khadri`	`what do i need to do in order to make rhythmbox play radio stations? i add the station but nothing happens after that`
`17:20.26`	`enouf`	`Shockcore: ls /sys/class/net to see recognized iface names`
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`17:20.53`	`Shockcore`	`eth0 eth1 lo`
`17:21.04`	`enouf`	`arvind_khadri: does that app have a channel? gnome related? /msg dpkg gnome`
`17:21.19`	`enouf`	`Shockcore: now /msg dpkg 70`
`17:21.30`	`enouf`	`insure they match`
`17:21.45`	`enouf`	`Driver is loaded? ethtool will give you info as well`
`17:21.48`	`blackbeard2000`	`i allways thought about how i could boot a root-encrypted system without being physically on that system.`
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`17:22.13`	`boxxertrumps`	`there isn't any way in the shell to make an account actually passwordless, right?`
`17:22.35`	`Shockcore`	`ah nice :)`
`17:22.38`	`Shockcore`	`thanks enouf`
`17:22.42`	`Shockcore`	`needs a reboot?`
`17:22.46`	`arvind_khadri`	`enouf, the room is empty`
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`17:24.57`	`el_critter`	`anyone with experience with loadbalance/failover of multiple (2) ISP's on debian? I've managed to implement loadbalancing via routing but it keeps routing packages through dead gateways.`
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`17:26.59`	`total`	`how to turn off all logs?`
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`17:27.21`	`enouf`	`arvind_khadri: try other networks\`
`17:27.24`	`enouf`	`?`
`17:27.54`	`enouf`	`Shockcore: nah /etc/init.d/networking restart`
`17:27.57`	`enouf`	`should do`
`17:28.21`	`enouf`	`Shockcore: the debian reference can be invaluable - /msg dpkg reference`
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`17:31.31`	`enouf`	`some really excellent documentation i noticed recently was in file:///usr/share/irssi/* but the file:///usr/share/doc/irssi/startup-HOWTO.html is just swesome`
`17:31.40`	`enouf`	`awesome*`
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`17:31.57`	`enouf`	`even though it's irc client related - nothing to do with your ethX :-p`
`17:32.22`	`total`	`how to turn off /var/log/mail.log.0, /var/log/mysql.log.0 and some other, because with 3 days they become over 500mb`
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`17:33.19`	`\amethyst`	`total: /etc/logrotate.d/exim4-base`
`17:33.33`	`\amethyst`	`total: you can change rotate 10 e.g. to rotate 0`
`17:33.49`	`\amethyst`	`total: man logrotate for more information; you can also specify a max size`
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`17:34.26`	`giggsey`	`Whats a line for the universe repo?`
`17:34.29`	`enouf`	`\amethyst: nothing rsyslog, nor /etc/{r}syslog.conf related?`
`17:34.37`	`maligor`	`giggsey, the what?`
`17:34.41`	`enouf`	`giggsey: none == world`
`17:34.44`	`cusco`	`giggsey: /j #ubuntu`
`17:34.51`	`enouf`	`indeed`
`17:34.58`	`enouf`	`made a sour joke`
`17:35.05`	`giggsey`	`That could be why it didn't work :P`
`17:35.14`	`cusco`	`lol`
`17:35.20`	`giggsey`	`nope`
`17:35.21`	`\amethyst`	`doh`
`17:35.21`	`giggsey`	`hmm`
`17:35.22`	`maligor`	`debian has main contrib non-free`
`17:35.33`	`enouf`	`and dmm ;-)`
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`17:35.48`	`\amethyst`	`total: oops`
`17:35.48`	`maligor`	`and a bunch of others`
`17:35.52`	`cusco`	`and backports and proposed-updates`
`17:35.59`	`giggsey`	`There we go`
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`17:36.01`	`maligor`	`let's not forget emdebian!`
`17:36.03`	`enouf`	`proposed what?`
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`17:36.16`	`giggsey`	`Thanks maligor & cusco :)`
`17:36.26`	`flower_`	`is it possible to play music by amarok via ssh?`
`17:36.27`	`cusco`	`oops nevermind`
`17:36.52`	`cusco`	`err yes, testing has porposed updates`
`17:36.58`	`cusco`	`proposed`
`17:37.12`	`enouf`	`i prefer porpoises :-P`
`17:37.14`	`cusco`	`flower_: playing on the computer running the ssh server?`
`17:37.21`	`maligor`	`giggsey, if you're using debian on a desktop what with the universe ref, you might want to look into debian multimedia repo also`
`17:37.23`	`cusco`	`amarok some-song.mp3`
`17:37.47`	`flower_`	`cusco: ok and an playlist?`
`17:37.49`	`giggsey`	`maligor, just a server, was trying to install rar`
`17:37.49`	`cusco`	`sure`
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`17:37.55`	`maligor`	`heh`
`17:38.25`	`flower_`	`cusco how do you make an playlist?`
`17:38.27`	`enouf`	`giggsey: debian has two versions of rar`
`17:38.32`	`enouf`	`free and non-frewe`
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`17:38.46`	`enouf`	`er unrar, anyway`
`17:38.52`	`cusco`	`flower_: you can just amarok /some/dir/*`
`17:38.58`	`giggsey`	`unrar is what I was trying :P`
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`17:39.15`	`enouf`	`judd is still comatose`
`17:39.19`	`giggsey`	`I failed though, it extracted a rar with a dir structure flat :(`
`17:39.28`	`enouf`	`learn bash`
`17:39.44`	`enouf`	`for i in * ; do unrar -x $i ; done`
`17:39.47`	`enouf`	`or something`
`17:39.58`	`giggsey`	`I did e, not x`
`17:40.02`	`giggsey`	`oops`
`17:40.06`	`cusco`	`:)`
`17:40.14`	`enouf`	`whoops - like i know what e does`
`17:40.31`	`giggsey`	`Extract files to curr dir`
`17:40.32`	`cusco`	`it exctracts to the whole dir`
`17:40.38`	`cusco`	`err... ok`
`17:40.39`	`pickcoder`	`hrm.. for some reason there are no screen res options in KDE under VirtualBox`
`17:40.46`	`enouf`	`who cares - just tossing out ideas`
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`17:41.33`	`cusco`	`that works: for i in *.rar; do unrar x $i; done`
`17:41.55`	`enouf`	`pickcoder: kde4?`
`17:41.59`	`enouf`	`systemsettings?`
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`17:42.51`	`pickcoder`	`3.5`
`17:44.10`	`MrWax`	`When doing gpg --gen-key - I always get this message`
`17:44.12`	`MrWax`	`Not enough random bytes available. Please do some other work to give`
`17:44.18`	`MrWax`	`the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 278 more bytes)`
`17:44.21`	`MrWax`	`no matter how much i try, should the system be overloaded or so in order to get this working properly:?`
`17:45.31`	`flower_`	`cusco the music is played not on this pc but on the other :)`
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`17:45.46`	`kml`	`hi, any ideas why i cant change the resolution with xrandr -s 1024x768? running deb5 in virutalbox`
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`17:46.02`	`cusco`	`flower_: yep, that is what I said, on the pc running the ssh server`
`17:46.21`	`flower_`	`cusco but I want to have it the other way around`
`17:46.26`	`cusco`	`try ssh -X`
`17:46.32`	`cusco`	`then start amarodk from command line`
`17:46.36`	`zwerg`	`Hi there.`
`17:46.42`	`cusco`	`hi`
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`17:46.50`	`MrWax`	`is this some serious bug in gpg or?`
`17:46.57`	`zwerg`	`I've got basically the same bug as http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=519850`
`17:47.25`	`zwerg`	`I have fragments on random places and times. Any hints what to do?`
`17:48.36`	`zwerg`	`It's not only with pixmaps but also with texts at times. Whole lines suddenly disappear and appear on repaints.`
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`17:49.35`	`flower_`	`cusco still music in the wrong room`
`17:50.38`	`pickcoder`	`kml: is it listed the modes?`
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`17:51.42`	`cusco`	`lol`
`17:51.44`	`cusco`	`dunno...`
`17:51.54`	`cusco`	`just scp the song and play it here :p`
`17:52.39`	`flower_`	`lol`
`17:52.49`	`flower_`	`I though my neighbour was making noises`
`17:52.53`	`flower_`	`:)`
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`17:55.45`	`arvind_khadri`	`enouf, on the other server its silent... no response.... sucks,,,`
`17:55.57`	`kml`	`never mind, i edited xorg.conf and it works fine.`
`17:56.19`	`pickcoder`	`kml: I just noticed that you can't switch it using desktop config`
`17:56.28`	`pickcoder`	`only with ctrl-alt-+ and ctrl-alt--`
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`18:00.46`	`StyXman`	`hi everybody. I'm running sid and I realized that I can't mount removable devices or suspend my machine because policykit denies me permission. is there any docs I should read, or any honts on what should I do?`
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`18:02.37`	`fbt`	`Hi, I have a problem with an ATI RS780 Azalia audio device on squeeze`
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`18:04.54`	`arvind_khadri`	`anyone who is able to listen to radio using rhythmbox ?`
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`18:06.32`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`what's the dd syntax to copy a complete device with installed OS onto a same-size partition on a much bigger device?`
`18:06.52`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`anddoes the destination have to be unmounted?`
`18:07.11`	`adb`	`arvind_khadri: i use tunapie for that`
`18:07.27`	`arvind_khadri`	`adb, ok .. in the repos?`
`18:07.31`	`adb`	`yes`
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`18:13.16`	`arvind_khadri`	`adb, i get No streams present`
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`18:14.32`	`adb`	`restart it`
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`18:15.08`	`TViYH^`	`Is Debian good to go to from Ubuntu?`
`18:15.25`	`cusco`	`what do you mean by good to go?`
`18:15.36`	`TViYH^`	`Would it be as simple?`
`18:15.36`	`cusco`	`this is #debian, Debian is good to everything`
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`18:16.04`	`xaashi`	`TViYH^: simple and consistent`
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`18:16.16`	`TViYH^`	`xaashi, Is it`
`18:16.20`	`NavY-Seal`	`hi to all what package should i get for a pentium 4 enviroment ?`
`18:16.21`	`xaashi`	`indeed it is`
`18:16.35`	`TViYH^`	`Is it's GUI/user-friendliness as good as UBuntu's?`
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`18:16.49`	`cusco`	`TViYH^: you get a few more options while installing but it looks teh same`
`18:16.56`	`xor`	`Hi there.`
`18:17.03`	`TViYH^`	`Ic.`
`18:17.09`	`xaashi`	`last i checked it was fine ..for me at least`
`18:17.15`	`xor`	`How do you setup snmp for cacti?`
`18:17.18`	`cusco`	`not many tho`
`18:17.29`	`TViYH^`	`Thanks guys.`
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`18:17.37`	`arvind_khadri`	`adb, what do you use for the player, i set it to alsaplayer`
`18:17.48`	`adb`	`audacious`
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`18:18.42`	`adb`	`and vlc for video`
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`18:19.57`	`xor`	`I keep getting this error: ERROR: opening '/var/lib/cacti/rra/host1_traffic_in_17.rrd': No such file or directory`
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`18:20.38`	`cusco`	`I really dunno anything about snmp but that error self explains`
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`18:21.44`	`xor`	`Not really, cacti is supposed to create that file automatically.`
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`18:24.57`	`manuel_`	`nass`
`18:25.54`	`manuel_`	`akabo de instalar debian en otro ekipo, y kuando lo inicio, me sale monitor fuera de rango, alguien sabe komo puedo solucionarlo Â¿?`
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`18:26.33`	`xor`	`And I get this on the snmp interface data query: http://paste.debian.net/36877/`
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`18:35.49`	`adb`	`np`
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`18:42.16`	`babbage`	`I have an apt problem; I can install packages with "aptitude", but using apt-directly gives error messages, for example "apt-get install dosemu" produces: "Package dosemu is not available, but is referred to by another package."`
`18:42.20`	`babbage`	`What gives?`
`18:43.11`	`adb`	`apt-get update`
`18:43.33`	`plovs`	`babbage, apt-cache search dosemu (update first)`
`18:43.56`	`babbage`	`Both of those work fine.`
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`18:44.07`	`babbage`	`adama_, apt-get update always worked to start with`
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`18:44.38`	`babbage`	`plovs, but that already worked fine`
`18:44.47`	`babbage`	`adb, apt-get update always worked to start with`
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`18:45.13`	`adb`	`babbage: fix sources list too, i guess`
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`18:47.15`	`plovs`	`babbage, it is in contrib`
`18:47.32`	`plovs`	`make sure that is enabled in your sources list (as adb said)`
`18:49.22`	`babbage`	`adb, my sources.list file is at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/118721/`
`18:49.44`	`babbage`	`plovs, but I already have "http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib"`
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`18:51.23`	`_ke`	`hello`
`18:51.29`	`plovs`	`babbage, sudo apt-get update ; sudo pt-get install dosemu does not work? -> dump it to pastebin`
`18:52.05`	`_ke`	`when creating a CSR with openssl, why do i have to enter a password? when creating a self signed certificate openssl, does not ask`
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`18:53.17`	`babbage`	`plovs, done. See http://paste.pocoo.org/show/118722/`
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`18:54.23`	`RobotCow`	`im rebuilding a package with the apt-get source command. how can i increment the version of the package i build so apt does not try to reinstall the package from the repo?`
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`18:55.35`	`_gyn`	`which programm script-language or whatnot can you recommand to read mails IN the INBOX and modify some header informations`
`18:55.57`	`plovs`	`babbage, apt-cache show dosemu ->pastebin?`
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`18:56.38`	`plovs`	`_gyn, formail`
`18:57.06`	`babbage`	`plovs, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/118724/`
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`18:57.40`	`plovs`	`babbage, and apt-cache policy dosemu?`
`18:58.08`	`babbage`	`http://paste.pocoo.org/show/118725/`
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`18:59.03`	`adb`	`babbage: well change that pinnig -10`
`18:59.33`	`babbage`	`But I have "Pin: release o=Debian,a=lenny" in /etc/apt/preferences anyway`
`18:59.43`	`babbage`	`With a score of 990`
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`19:00.18`	`foo234c`	`hi`
`19:00.35`	`adb`	`babbage: well remove than Package: *; Pin: release o=Debian; Pin-Priority: -10`
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`19:01.05`	`babbage`	`So what a= value applies to dosemu?`
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`19:01.24`	`foo234c`	`I just installed squeeze from a daily netinst CD and get complaints like "untrusted source, type 'yes' if you wish to continue" every time i install something - how to fix it? i guess the signatures are broken somehow`
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`19:01.44`	`kevix`	`I have a root fs that is not full but df is reporting it as 100%. I can delete files but it does not make the FS gain any space. it still reports 0 free.`
`19:02.11`	`maligor`	`ext3?`
`19:02.17`	`RobotCow`	`why does executing "apt-get build-dep gnome-applets" say E: Build-dependencies for gnome-applets could not be satisfied?`
`19:02.22`	`babbage`	`kevix, why do you say it is not full?`
`19:02.27`	`foo234c`	`kevix: try to remount`
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`19:03.23`	`kevix`	`babbage: I had 600+mb free and then i upgraded something and then it started to report 0 mb free.`
`19:03.40`	`babbage`	`kevix, so the filesystem is full. The question is, why.`
`19:04.21`	`kevix`	`babbage: I did an fsck--no error. I rm'ed 50mb. no change.`
`19:04.53`	`babbage`	`Try "find / -xdev -mmin -30 -size +50M" - that might show you which large files have turned up recently.`
`19:05.11`	`babbage`	`kevix, what do you mean "I rm'ed 50mb. no change."?`
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`19:05.44`	`kevix`	`babbage: I 'rm LARGE_FILE' and df still shows '0 mb' free`
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`19:06.25`	`Demonicdata`	`hey what would you say is the best full disk encryption for linux,luks?`
`19:06.26`	`maligor`	`kevix, is it unstable btw?`
`19:06.49`	`CcSsNET`	`hi all, ive got a strange situation. i need to build a fresh kernel for my drivers, but when it comes time to boot. it doesnt see my encrypted / fs any ideas? its stock options from debian installer`
`19:07.31`	`babbage`	`kevix, that just means that LARGE_FILE is still open.`
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`19:07.55`	`babbage`	`In Unix, files which have no name anymore but which are still held open are not deleted yet`
`19:08.10`	`kevix`	`babbage: hmm. that sounds like an idea. How would you find an open file that lasts between reboots?`
`19:08.18`	`babbage`	`They don't`
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`19:08.36`	`kevix`	`babbage: that is why I think its somekind of FS error`
`19:08.49`	`CcSsNET`	`sounds like work for the fs to me also`
`19:09.04`	`babbage`	`kevix, which FS are you using?`
`19:09.08`	`kevix`	`ext3`
`19:09.21`	`babbage`	`It's very. very stable.`
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`19:09.38`	`babbage`	`I think it's extremely unlikely you're looking at a file system bug.`
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`19:10.13`	`kevix`	`babbage: oh well. was worth a shot.`
`19:10.22`	`babbage`	`So you removed a large file, rebooted, and the root filesystem is still full?`
`19:10.42`	`kevix`	`babbage: that is the situation. but it already had 600mb free.`
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`19:11.28`	`babbage`	`kevix, you're explaining events out of order. Please go back and explain again, giving the events in order. Don't leave out the detail.`
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`19:11.58`	`babbage`	`kevix, what was the file you deleted, by the way?`
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`19:12.03`	`CcSsNET`	`well ive built a fully optimal kernel for my hardware. but when it comes time to mount the root fs "which is encrypted using stock debian options" it fails to see it. what am i missing a grub option? a kernel module?`
`19:12.17`	`babbage`	`CcSsNET, what are you optimising for?`
`19:12.31`	`CcSsNET`	`its exotic hardware`
`19:12.44`	`kevix`	`I upgraded to a new release. rebooted. upgraded some packages. rebooted and then the root fs was reported 100% full.`
`19:12.50`	`CcSsNET`	`its mandatory for me to make my system work with a new kernel lol`
`19:13.02`	`babbage`	`CcSsNET, my guess is something is missing from the initrd.`
`19:13.10`	`CcSsNET`	`hmm`
`19:13.16`	`maligor`	`kevix, etch to lenny?`
`19:13.28`	`CcSsNET`	`well debian uses initramfs right?`
`19:13.39`	`kevix`	`maligor: I plead the 5th`
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`19:14.19`	`babbage`	`kevix, you still seem to be leaving out detail; earlier you said you deleted a file.`
`19:14.34`	`CcSsNET`	`bla ok well thx ill look into the init area some more i think i got kernel finished`
`19:14.36`	`jedsmith`	`Q: Regarding jedsmith.org (debian); I have a HE IPv6 tunnel up on sit1 that is configured correctly. I'm using a 2000::/3 route across sit1, which works okay, except nsd is responding to reverse DNS requests from the wrong IP. This problem only appears when dig is using +trace. For example, try "dig -x 2001:470:1f05:da1::123".`
`19:14.55`	`jedsmith`	`That succeeds, then add +trace -- nsd seems to be responding from the IP that is being queried?`
`19:14.58`	`babbage`	`CcSsNET, did you already do "update-initrd -u -k blabla"?`
`19:14.58`	`kevix`	`I 'thought' that I just needed to delete a file to get things working. so I tried to delete some files. but that did nothing.`
`19:15.11`	`babbage`	`kevix, what files did you delete?#`
`19:15.33`	`kevix`	`babbage: some files in /home/kevix (mounted on /)`
`19:15.34`	`babbage`	`CcSsNET, make that update-initramfs`
`19:15.42`	`babbage`	`kevix, ah`
`19:15.51`	`CcSsNET`	`bbabage i did the following make menuconfig && make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers && cd .. && dpkg -i *.deb`
`19:16.02`	`CcSsNET`	`:P`
`19:16.08`	`CcSsNET`	`it is debian after all`
`19:16.21`	`babbage`	`CcSsNET, OK, I don't know offhand if that will build the initial ramdisk or now.`
`19:16.24`	`babbage`	`s/now/not/#`
`19:16.35`	`CcSsNET`	`yea ill look into it`
`19:16.36`	`kevix`	`babbage: I think I said that wrong. home is on root. it is not a seperate partition.`
`19:16.38`	`CcSsNET`	`thx`
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`19:16.56`	`babbage`	`kevix, I understood the first time.`
`19:17.05`	`kevix`	`babbage: ok. my mistake.`
`19:17.59`	`kevix`	`babbage: I also tried to boot with different kernels. no dice.`
`19:17.59`	`babbage`	`kevix, well, nothing you said so far gives an obvious culprit. But / can be pretty big. On my desktop machine, / is 1.1G and I have a separate /usr partition.`
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`19:18.26`	`maligor`	`babbage, how did you manage that? ;)`
`19:18.28`	`babbage`	`kevix, "apt-get clean" may give you some temporary relief`
`19:18.38`	`babbage`	`maligor, time, I guess.`
`19:18.44`	`maligor`	`I have 16GB for root`
`19:18.49`	`maligor`	`hmm.. I wonder what it contains`
`19:18.51`	`kevix`	`babbage: I do 'clean' after every upgrade`
`19:19.00`	`maligor`	`oh.. you have a separate usr`
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`19:19.55`	`babbage`	`maligor, 539MB of it is in /lib`
`19:20.10`	`macman_`	`so i know im going to get flammed but i need to ask this`
`19:20.19`	`maligor`	`babbage, I just have root and home`
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`19:20.39`	`maligor`	`last I remember checking it was around 4gb tho, something must've gone a bit wrong`
`19:20.40`	`babbage`	`maligor, Right. I have separate, erm, everything. I went LVM-crazy :)`
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`19:21.08`	`maligor`	`maybe there's a extensive collection of openoffice coredumps somewhere or something like that`
`19:21.14`	`CcSsNET`	`hmm that explains it i do have a init issue`
`19:21.19`	`CcSsNET`	`ill go recompile again -.-`
`19:21.24`	`babbage`	`maligor, core.<pid> is sometimes a pain :)`
`19:21.34`	`CcSsNET`	`must have left out initramfs this time around grrr`
`19:21.35`	`babbage`	`CcSsNET, good luck`
`19:22.02`	`macman_`	`i have never got nvidia drivers to work on any linux distro .. say i have a linux distro that the drivers to work on .. can i copy that xorg.conf and replace it with my current one .. will that work`
`19:22.16`	`CcSsNET`	`nvidia drivers are easy`
`19:22.25`	`CcSsNET`	`thats one of the reasons im making new kernel`
`19:22.29`	`CcSsNET`	`step 1`
`19:22.34`	`kevix`	`module-assistant?`
`19:22.40`	`CcSsNET`	`build new kernel make sure it has headers also`
`19:22.45`	`CcSsNET`	`step 2 boot it`
`19:22.53`	`CcSsNET`	`build nvidia drivers now`
`19:23.02`	`maligor`	`you don't need to build a kernel to get the headers`
`19:23.15`	`CcSsNET`	`well its easier`
`19:23.26`	`maligor`	`not really`
`19:23.28`	`CcSsNET`	`less distro specific crap to dig threw`
`19:23.38`	`CcSsNET`	`and more genral aprouch to any distro`
`19:23.52`	`macman_`	`so what should i do ? does the xorg.conf trick sound like it can work ?`
`19:24.05`	`CcSsNET`	`nvidia-xconfig`
`19:24.07`	`CcSsNET`	`type that`
`19:24.22`	`macman_`	`CcSsNET: i can't right now .. no nvidia drivers installed atm`
`19:24.26`	`CcSsNET`	`o`
`19:24.48`	`CcSsNET`	`well u need ur headers. but it gets worse`
`19:24.59`	`CcSsNET`	`also the nvidia module`
`19:25.05`	`CcSsNET`	`needs to be compiled with same gcc version`
`19:25.20`	`CcSsNET`	`so building new kernel/headers/nvidia all at once is hassle free`
`19:25.31`	`babbage`	`macman_, I eventually gave up on the nvidia drivers and just switched to using the nv driver.`
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`19:25.38`	`macman_`	`so im assuing its a curse to have a nvidia card ?`
`19:25.45`	`adb`	`!tell macman_ about nvidia m-a`
`19:25.48`	`macman_`	`babbage: what is the nv version ?`
`19:25.55`	`CcSsNET`	`nvidia is wonderfull`
`19:25.57`	`CcSsNET`	`on linux`
`19:26.01`	`babbage`	`"nouveau". It's the open source driver`
`19:26.11`	`CcSsNET`	`hell go download austrumi live cd`
`19:26.12`	`macman_`	`babbage: and it works well ?`
`19:26.14`	`TheReal404`	`nvidia proprietary is by far the best linux gfx driver`
`19:26.22`	`babbage`	`CcSsNET, I found it interacted badkly with either SELinux or Xen.`
`19:26.24`	`CcSsNET`	`nvidia,ati,intel 3d accell on a live cd`
`19:26.30`	`CcSsNET`	`xen`
`19:26.38`	`CcSsNET`	`will not work with a 3d interface`
`19:27.03`	`CcSsNET`	`also grsec will cause x.org issues`
`19:27.05`	`macman_`	`CcSsNET: what does austrumi have ?`
`19:27.10`	`CcSsNET`	`everything`
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`19:27.21`	`macman_`	`CcSsNET: debian based ?`
`19:27.22`	`CcSsNET`	`i remastered austrumi for a personal livecd`
`19:27.27`	`CcSsNET`	`its plain perfect`
`19:27.32`	`CcSsNET`	`no its slack based`
`19:27.54`	`CcSsNET`	`but theres ONLY root user on the livecd`
`19:27.58`	`CcSsNET`	`so if ur going on irc`
`19:28.00`	`CcSsNET`	`or something`
`19:28.02`	`CcSsNET`	`adduser`
`19:28.09`	`CcSsNET`	`then connect bla bla bla`
`19:28.13`	`macman_`	`CcSsNET: yea figures`
`19:28.28`	`CcSsNET`	`i find that to be more sane`
`19:28.29`	`macman_`	`CcSsNET: 92.6mb is the iso size ?`
`19:28.33`	`CcSsNET`	`then a default user`
`19:28.34`	`CcSsNET`	`yea`
`19:28.41`	`CcSsNET`	`my remaster is less :P`
`19:28.42`	`babbage`	`adb, that fixed my problem, by the way. Thanks.`
`19:28.45`	`CcSsNET`	`and i added shit hehe`
`19:29.00`	`adb`	`babbage: np`
`19:29.09`	`CcSsNET`	`i have to check out 1.8.5`
`19:29.13`	`CcSsNET`	`i remastered 1.8`
`19:29.43`	`adb`	`CcSsNET: keep on topic please`
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`19:30.20`	`kevix`	`babbage: thanks for the ideas. It may lead somewhere yet.`
`19:30.43`	`macman_`	`lol im so confused`
`19:30.50`	`macman_`	`err .. wrong irc channel`
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`19:31.47`	`adb`	`never used pinning`
`19:31.47`	`CcSsNET`	`yea so back on topic. adb, do you have any experience with the crypt fs debian defaults to?`
`19:31.58`	`adb`	`no`
`19:32.02`	`CcSsNET`	`damn`
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`19:33.03`	`CcSsNET`	`hmm i think i found it nice brb`
`19:33.10`	`adb`	`why crypt? ext3 is already much crypted for me`
`19:34.32`	`CcSsNET`	`eh just doing it to see if i can`
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`19:34.38`	`CcSsNET`	`or to learn how`
`19:34.47`	`MrWax`	`how can I disable split windows view inside an irssi screen`
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`19:35.10`	`MrWax`	`does anyone know?`
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`19:35.37`	`CcSsNET`	`i hate irssi -.-`
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`19:35.48`	`JordiGH`	`Debian's JSON package doesn't export some functions, but I have a different package on this machine installed by /usr/local by another admin that does export these functions. Is Debian Perl policy more strict about which functions a package exports?`
`19:35.50`	`CcSsNET`	`but no clue sry`
`19:36.00`	`MrWax`	`argh`
`19:36.04`	`MrWax`	`I mean , just inside a linux screen`
`19:36.07`	`maligor`	`CcSsNET, yeah, real Debian users run mIRC in wine ;)`
`19:36.09`	`MrWax`	`it's now on split screen`
`19:36.12`	`MrWax`	`but don't know how I can disable it`
`19:36.17`	`CcSsNET`	`lol maligor`
`19:36.25`	`CcSsNET`	`i use naim.n.ml.org`
`19:36.30`	`CcSsNET`	`for aim/irc`
`19:36.34`	`CcSsNET`	`over screen`
`19:36.49`	`CcSsNET`	`mrwax do you meen screen the linux program?`
`19:36.54`	`MrWax`	`CcSsNET: yes`
`19:36.59`	`CcSsNET`	`ctrl-a d`
`19:37.02`	`CcSsNET`	`to detach`
`19:37.07`	`CcSsNET`	`screen -r`
`19:37.11`	`CcSsNET`	`reattach`
`19:37.29`	`CcSsNET`	`ctrl-a shift-s splits screen`
`19:37.35`	`CcSsNET`	`ctrl-a tab`
`19:37.55`	`CcSsNET`	`should be enough to get u going`
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`19:39.30`	`ajavid`	`!enter`
`19:39.30`	`dpkg`	`The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.`
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`19:42.28`	`CcSsNET`	`mmm 7m kernel/header compile time into deb packages :D`
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`19:43.33`	`adb`	`MrWax: http://paste.debian.net/36879/`
`19:43.45`	`adb`	`CcSsNET: http://elinux.org/Kernel_Size_Tuning_Guide`
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`19:43.51`	`macman_`	`CcSsNET: you there ?`
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`19:45.06`	`macman_`	`CcSsNET: can i pm ?`
`19:45.07`	`CcSsNET`	`what u need?`
`19:45.09`	`CcSsNET`	`ok`
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`19:45.51`	`quitte`	`!ops CeYSeL is a spambot`
`19:45.51`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: quitte complains about: CeYSeL is a spambot`
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`19:46.22`	`nsadmin`	`that was fast`
`19:46.40`	`ErrantEgo`	`np`
`19:47.28`	`Hebrew_Hammer`	`anyone know a good free cpanel alternative?`
`19:47.32`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`ha, the things we learn from watching`
`19:47.33`	`quitte`	`I'd like to preseed a install cd with some gconf values to change the default fonts in gnome systemwide. any idea how?`
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`19:48.55`	`ethanw`	`@Hebrew_Hammer it's not quite what your asking, but as far as OSS web panels go webmin isn't bad.`
`19:49.34`	`ethanw`	`@Hebrew_hammer gives good webserver control at any rate`
`19:49.40`	`abrotman`	`Hebrew_Hammer: to manage what part?`
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`19:50.10`	`Hebrew_Hammer`	`ftp user accounts mysql, the whole idea of cpanel`
`19:50.16`	`nsadmin`	`actually a lot of people feel that some of the webmin modules don't work properly`
`19:50.24`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`!free whcp`
`19:50.24`	`dpkg`	`FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP Omega> and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>.`
`19:50.36`	`Hebrew_Hammer`	`isn't webmin more for admins though?`
`19:50.39`	`ethanw`	`yea`
`19:50.47`	`ethanw`	`not the sort of access you want users having`
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`19:51.22`	`nsadmin`	`if you can ssh in, you can use the shell to do the admimn`
`19:51.44`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Hebrew_Hammer, /msg dpkg <things in brackets from factoid above>`
`19:51.57`	`Hebrew_Hammer`	`thanks`
`19:52.15`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`without the <>`
`19:52.20`	`Hebrew_Hammer`	`right`
`19:52.29`	`Hebrew_Hammer`	`anyone use any of the above, and would recommend one?`
`19:52.32`	`konr`	`Can you guys point me to an USB wifi adapter I can buy in dealextreme that supports master mode?`
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`19:53.02`	`quitte`	`is there a terminal emulator that doesn't look crappy with variable-width fonts?`
`19:53.08`	`yunik`	`hello -- can someone explain the terminal in http://t0x.in/ curious what it is..`
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`19:54.22`	`nsadmin`	`yunik: so, you want a lot of people to go to that web site?`
`19:54.50`	`yunik`	`nsadmin: no, i want to know what that terminal is`
`19:54.51`	`ethanw`	`nsadmin, it seems clear, but i have no idea what he's after`
`19:55.00`	`yunik`	`is it a package manager, or?`
`19:55.05`	`ethanw`	`yea its aptitude`
`19:55.12`	`CcSsNET`	`quitte idk if this applys but mrxvt looks great for me`
`19:55.19`	`yunik`	`how do i get a aptitude gui like that`
`19:55.31`	`ethanw`	`i assume its settings in the terminal`
`19:55.40`	`ethanw`	`i know it can be done in konsole`
`19:55.45`	`CcSsNET`	`yunik go program in c, with the libncurses5-dev library`
`19:55.46`	`ethanw`	`but other than that im not sure`
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`19:55.58`	`yunik`	`???`
`19:56.25`	`CcSsNET`	`thats how u get a gui like aptitude hehe`
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`19:56.45`	`quitte`	`CcSsNET: probably not. the default is fixed width and i'm too lazy to figure out how to change that`
`19:56.55`	`CcSsNET`	`meh, figures`
`19:57.05`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`don't think aptitude includes the coffee`
`19:57.17`	`ethanw`	`hang on ill look again`
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`19:57.50`	`nsadmin`	`it's probably a transparent terminal with the coffee image behind`
`19:57.54`	`yunik`	`lol`
`19:58.00`	`yunik`	`all u need to type is 'sudo aptitude'`
`19:58.01`	`yunik`	`:/`
`19:58.07`	`yunik`	`u all make it so more complicated :(`
`19:58.28`	`ethanw`	`nsadmin: yea i agree`
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`19:58.33`	`quitte`	`ethanw: were you suggesting konsole to me?`
`19:58.33`	`ethanw`	`that or a 'shop`
`19:58.41`	`ethanw`	`naw`
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`19:59.35`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`why the fuck is there a minesweeper in aptitude`
`19:59.41`	`ethanw`	`no idea`
`19:59.41`	`skullhacks`	`xD`
`19:59.44`	`skullhacks`	`i saw it too`
`19:59.54`	`skullhacks`	`its an Easter Egg`
`19:59.56`	`amd64deb-2-6-24`	`so when aptitude gets me totally lost i can play`
`19:59.56`	`skullhacks`	`try to open it`
`19:59.58`	`kevix`	`CutMeOwnThroat: hacker have a sense of humor`
`20:00.00`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`guess I should add that to why not aptitude`
`20:00.03`	`CcSsNET`	`quitte here is my list of terms in order of use. mrxvt, aterm, xterm, rxvt no clue but worth trying them for ur situation`
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`20:00.34`	`abrotman`	`no .. an easter egg is aptitude -vvvvv moo`
`20:00.40`	`skullhacks`	`yeah`
`20:00.43`	`skullhacks`	`that too`
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`20:00.59`	`CcSsNET`	`lol abrotman i have to go try now -.-`
`20:01.33`	`ethanw`	`abrotman thats not a cow`
`20:01.41`	`ethanw`	`lol`
`20:01.49`	`abrotman`	`aptitude -vvvvvv moo .. see what it is`
`20:01.56`	`skullhacks`	`hehe`
`20:02.00`	`skullhacks`	`i already did it`
`20:02.05`	`CcSsNET`	`haha thats funny`
`20:02.05`	`ethanw`	`an elephant being eaten by a snake`
`20:02.10`	`ethanw`	`(-vvvvvv)`
`20:02.39`	`CcSsNET`	`of course`
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`20:03.10`	`quitte`	`that easter egg is even localised. wow.`
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`20:03.39`	`Hebrew_Hammer`	`how do you get to minesweeper in aptitude?`
`20:03.41`	`ethanw`	`anyone known if you can force a tc1000 to turn off its x86 emulation and drop back to pure TM code?`
`20:03.44`	`nsadmin`	`but the guy who originated and did most of the initial work on apt, the apt libs and brought you apt-get for the first time was seriously into cows`
`20:03.52`	`ethanw`	`h_h: its in the main menu`
`20:04.46`	`Hebrew_Hammer`	`my bad`
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`20:05.37`	`lewis2`	`I'm about to add some more virtual interfaces to eth0 on a production machine, a process I hate doing for risk of losing the machine.`
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`20:05.57`	`lewis2`	`I'm going to edit /etc/network/interfaces with 'iface eth0:0 inet static' lines then: ifconfig eth0 down && ifconfig eth0 up`
`20:06.00`	`lewis2`	`that correct?`
`20:06.33`	`nsadmin`	`no, I don't think so`
`20:06.43`	`sylar`	`if I resize2fs down to 50G and then lvreduce to 50G, will it be OK or is there some metadata or anything that should be preserved?`
`20:06.46`	`nsadmin`	`you don't need to do the ifconfigs`
`20:06.57`	`sylar`	`(over that 50G)`
`20:07.04`	`nsadmin`	`try adding one,`
`20:07.05`	`sylar`	`(and is it the same G)`
`20:07.32`	`nsadmin`	`(say eth0:0) and then do ifup eth0:0`
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`20:07.43`	`nsadmin`	`then ifconfig to see if it worked`
`20:07.56`	`lewis2`	`oooh`
`20:08.09`	`lewis2`	`genius`
`20:08.19`	`lewis2`	`that shouldn't affect anything that is down, correct?`
`20:08.25`	`lewis2`	`or rather, anything that is already working`
`20:08.25`	`nsadmin`	`correct`
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`20:08.56`	`quitte`	`sylar: i always shrink the filesystem more than the lv and then frow the fs. jsut to be 100% certain i dont shrink away part of the fs`
`20:08.58`	`nsadmin`	`this production box,`
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`20:09.11`	`lewis2`	`nsadmin: yes?`
`20:09.12`	`nsadmin`	`you probably don't have physical access... am I right?`
`20:09.16`	`lewis2`	`nope ;)`
`20:09.25`	`lewis2`	`i always get nervous...`
`20:09.52`	`nsadmin`	`so I'd recommend that you get very familiar with this interfaces thing`
`20:10.22`	`lewis2`	`hah`
`20:10.30`	`nsadmin`	`you can of course do all of what we just did using ifconfig and possibly route (again, without touching things already up or already down)`
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`20:11.18`	`lewis2`	`phew - it worked`
`20:11.31`	`nsadmin`	`but be very careful about doing things like ifconfig eth0 down, if you do that you might have to reboot the box`
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`20:11.50`	`lewis2`	`my biggest problem...`
`20:11.54`	`_ke`	`quick apache question: in which order are the files in /etc/apache/sites-available getting loaded?`
`20:12.01`	`lewis2`	`was thinking that I could do /etc/init.d/networking restart`
`20:12.15`	`lewis2`	`nsadmin: why wouldn't that command work?`
`20:12.47`	`quitte`	`lewis2: the network connection goes down then the shell hangs because stdout doesn'`
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`20:12.53`	`nsadmin`	`it would certainly work,,, but your machine would then be disconnected, and ifconfig eth0 up after that would probably not do what you want`
`20:12.54`	`quitte`	`t work or something like that`
`20:13.26`	`quitte`	`lewis2: /etc/init.d/networking restart & should work`
`20:13.47`	`lewis2`	`ah`
`20:13.56`	`nsadmin`	`I still wouldn't do that`
`20:13.58`	`lewis2`	`but without the &, it isn't possible to reconnect?`
`20:14.11`	`sylar`	`quitte, thanks, I read about it, but thought that I may save time, but I guess I will do it your way`
`20:14.21`	`quitte`	`it didn'T reconnect the last time i tried`
`20:14.41`	`lewis2`	`yeh - I learnt the hard way once`
`20:14.56`	`nsadmin`	`you don't need to, and doing so would likely tear down existing connections (like server-browser, and machine-external database connection)`
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`20:15.00`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`networking restart doesn'3t cut off existing connections`
`20:15.37`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`not sure what it does, though`
`20:15.48`	`quitte`	`sylar: since the big mega vs mibi confusion i'd always rather use safe guesses than do actual calculations`
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`20:17.13`	`lewis2`	`thank you`
`20:17.37`	`nsadmin`	`lewis2: welcome... so here's a pile of stuff you could do soon...`
`20:17.52`	`nsadmin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:18.07`	`nsadmin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:18.14`	`lewis2`	`:)`
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`20:18.24`	`ethanw`	`@quitte i always understood it as being lowercase=mibi and uppercase=mega but you're right to say play it safe`
`20:18.25`	`quitte`	`it seems to me that making a package containing some gconf defaults is the sanest way to set defaults on install. but i'd be glad for other suggestions. seems a little hacky to me.`
`20:18.34`	`nsadmin`	`I dunno, you might want to`
`20:18.51`	`agaran`	`there is different way to, screen /etc/init.d/networking restart ;-) or even whole thing under screen.. even if disconnect then output might be examined later..`
`20:19.33`	`quitte`	`damn another reason I finally have to learn about screen. been ignoring it for a decade now`
`20:19.35`	`abrotman`	`there is a 'script' command for that`
`20:19.58`	`solitron`	`How can I make my framebuffer scroll faster? When I do ls on a long list or when I join a channel with irssi, the text scrolls but relatively slow for this kind of hardware.`
`20:20.05`	`agaran`	`quitte: i cannot imagine how i could avoid screen in past decade.. :-)`
`20:20.24`	`nsadmin`	`and you don't need to restart networking unless what you're trying to do is test what will happen when you reboot, and if that's the case you should be talking to the guy who is in the room with the machine`
`20:20.27`	`agaran`	`quitte: but maybe its matter of crappy network connections i had on my first network days.. and screen was only way`
`20:20.33`	`enouf`	`use a better faster TERM`
`20:20.48`	`quitte`	`solitron: stop using a frambuffer and use svgatextmode to set the resolution and refreshrate instead`
`20:20.48`	`solitron`	`enouf: I don't use X.`
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`20:21.08`	`enouf`	`and font renderings can really screw you`
`20:21.29`	`quitte`	`agaran: i had physical access all the time in my early years. so yes that's probably the reason`
`20:21.36`	`enouf`	`nothing wrong with vesafb in console, AFAIC`
`20:21.43`	`solitron`	`quitte: I'll see about it, it works on any tty?`
`20:21.57`	`agaran`	`quitte: :-) so you was too happy to bother with screen ;)`
`20:21.59`	`enouf`	`solitron: look into directfb even`
`20:22.01`	`quitte`	`solitron: uhm? you were talking about terminals in X?`
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`20:22.15`	`solitron`	`quitte: no.`
`20:22.43`	`enouf`	`solitron: what is "this kind of hardware"`
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`20:23.05`	`quitte`	`solitron: ah. well on pcs there still is no faster text mode than the test mode provided by the vga bios. so use that if you can`
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`20:23.28`	`sylar`	`quitte, oops`
`20:23.32`	`solitron`	`enouf: Athlon Dual Core, 1GB RAM and 256MB of video.`
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`20:23.38`	`enouf`	`...`
`20:23.47`	`enouf`	`i'm on a PII :-P`
`20:23.54`	`safruhani`	`:D`
`20:23.54`	`agaran`	`enouf: /me too ;)`
`20:24.01`	`JPT`	`hehe...`
`20:24.04`	`agaran`	`but i use X + xterm,`
`20:24.08`	`sylar`	`quitte, I did them the same size`
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`20:24.20`	`enouf`	`agaran: welcome to the Deschutes club! ;-)`
`20:24.28`	`agaran`	`solitron: really, FB is slow, it has own advantages`
`20:24.31`	`enouf`	`agaran: so do i`
`20:24.38`	`agaran`	`enouf: indeed Deschute not Katmai`
`20:24.43`	`solitron`	`enouf: but for text it should be lightning fast and I can almost read things when it scrolls.`
`20:24.47`	`agaran`	`enouf: but am almost sure that i have Katmai somewhere..`
`20:24.50`	`sylar`	`quitte, didn't mean to, but there was the e2fsck, requirement and after that I forgot that I haven't resized the fs`
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`20:25.10`	`enouf`	`sylar: cat /proc/cmdline`
`20:25.20`	`quitte`	`sylar: if it still worked out that's great.`
`20:25.36`	`enouf`	`agaran: bah ... traitor! - it's mplayer that thinks so :-P`
`20:25.50`	`solitron`	`Okay, thanks. agaran`
`20:26.12`	`agaran`	`enouf: 450M version right now, had 350 on shelf too, and some other hw..`
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`20:26.16`	`enouf`	`erm solitron i meant, in my last post about cat ... , not sylar`
`20:26.22`	`agaran`	`enouf: there is no number of hw that is too much hw..`
`20:26.36`	`agaran`	`enouf: i believe grep cpu /proc/cpuinfo`
`20:26.41`	`agaran`	`enouf: or x86info`
`20:26.49`	`enouf`	`for?`
`20:26.59`	`enouf`	`dmesg also tells you, IIRC`
`20:27.12`	`quitte`	`agaran: depends on the unit. mÂ³ becomes a problem fast`
`20:27.15`	`agaran`	`enouf: dmesg said what kernel says, kernel might have misdetection`
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`20:27.31`	`agaran`	`quitte: true, half of my space here is taken by my hardware..`
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`20:27.46`	`agaran`	`sometimes, especially when i cleaning, i think i have too much..`
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`20:27.58`	`agaran`	`but that feeling passes once i finish and move to using again.`
`20:28.08`	`Zundler`	`hi, anybody have ever installed a debian-system on a macbook? i need help!`
`20:28.18`	`solitron`	`enouf: 0x0366 I know that resolution affects speed but I didn't want big letters.`
`20:28.25`	`enouf`	`is going to SMASH TO PIECES this fucken POFS Dell Server Keyboard from ~2000 ..`
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`20:28.30`	`quitte`	`agaran: the other unit is Watt. made me throw away a pretty nice machine`
`20:28.47`	`agaran`	`quitte: hmm, there is another option, dont leave it on all time..`
`20:28.57`	`enouf`	`solitron: : cat /proc/cmdline`
`20:29.04`	`solitron`	`I did.`
`20:29.05`	`quitte`	`agaran: not an option.`
`20:29.13`	`agaran`	`solitron: try to boot without Framebuffer, then do vga=ask in cmdline.. then scan.. may be faster modes..`
`20:29.18`	`enouf`	`where?`
`20:29.19`	`solitron`	`root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet vga=0x0366`
`20:29.28`	`agaran`	`quitte: what machine, or #debian-oftopic?`
`20:29.31`	`enouf`	`that better .. and wrong`
`20:29.47`	`ethanw`	`@zundler what exactly are you having issues with?`
`20:30.06`	`enouf`	`solitron: what is "this kind of hardware"`
`20:30.15`	`enouf`	`Monitor wise`
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`20:30.28`	`quitte`	`agaran: sure. got some time to waste. and noone here seems to know a lot about gconf anyways`
`20:30.48`	`solitron`	`1600x1200 17" I think.`
`20:30.48`	`agaran`	`quitte: hmm, i use gconf, i once tried to use it from C, but not more`
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`20:31.34`	`quitte`	`agaran: any idea how to set defaults before installing the system in a sane way?`
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`20:32.11`	`agaran`	`quitte: sane idea, no, mine, two, either put prepared config file or binary that will load certain configfile`
`20:32.50`	`Zundler`	`ethanw: when the debian-installation is done, the efi-loader don't find the system on the computer and i have no idea what ive to do`
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`20:32.56`	`enouf`	`solitron: a "Athlon Dual Core, 1GB RAM and 256MB of video." should have no issues with speed in Console rendering/scrolling - though .. are you using a Debian linux-image-version?`
`20:33.05`	`quitte`	`agaran: ok. so a package with files for update-gconf it is.`
`20:33.20`	`solitron`	`enouf: Yes.`
`20:34.54`	`agaran`	`quitte: mine read ~/.gconf and /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults (on startup)`
`20:35.00`	`ethanw`	`Zundler: does efi say anything specific?`
`20:35.02`	`agaran`	`quitte: maybe put your defaults there?`
`20:35.27`	`solitron`	`enouf: movies display well with mplayer -vo directfb`
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`20:35.59`	`enouf`	`solitron: can you pastebin output of grep -i vesa /var/log/dmesg ?`
`20:36.34`	`Zundler`	`ethanw: no, it does'nt. when i try to start the installed system about the boot-cd the penguine-logo is shown on my display and nothing happens`
`20:36.43`	`quitte`	`agaran: as i want it system wide ~ is not an option. and isn't the other file managed by debhelper?`
`20:36.47`	`enouf`	`solitron: and cat /proc/version`
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`20:37.09`	`Zundler`	`ethanw: do you need more informations?`
`20:37.10`	`agaran`	`quitte: should be, but am not sure if gconfd dont read any file there?`
`20:37.13`	`McManiaC`	`hey, how can i permanently set my locale to utf8? ive been using export, but that only works for one session of course`
`20:37.32`	`agaran`	`quitte: that would be even quite logical to read any.. easy way to put gconf.xml.local or somethign..`
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`20:37.40`	`agaran`	`quitte: and pretty clean way`
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`20:38.16`	`ethanw`	`zundler: its been a coons age since ive done anything with macs. I have found this on the debian wiki tho. not sure how relevant it will be http://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel`
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`20:38.42`	`bododo`	`hi folks :)`
`20:38.56`	`Zundler`	`ethanw: i have read this article: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook`
`20:39.14`	`solitron`	`enouf: http://rafb.net/p/JEWXVA58.html`
`20:39.29`	`Zundler`	`but i'll see if your link can help`
`20:39.39`	`bododo`	`I have downloaded the lenny xfce-lxde powerpc iso, but when I boot it I can't run the graphical installer. Also, I wonder when/how to choose berween xfce or lxde`
`20:39.50`	`quitte`	`agaran: right. i'll look into that. that reminds me... i have no idea why the debian-installer only allows running scripts but not simply putting files in the filesystem`
`20:40.09`	`enouf`	`solitron: 1st off.. 0x0... anything is wrong, 2nd ; 366 equates to 1024x640x32bit`
`20:40.10`	`bododo`	`is this natural, or should i specify something?`
`20:40.20`	`solitron`	`enouf: I used to use 1280x1024 32bit but changed it now to see the speed.`
`20:40.26`	`agaran`	`quitte: sorry, am debian newbie, if you ask me how to do thing in rpm i might help.. after 10 years of experience with rpm including making packages etc..;)`
`20:40.28`	`enouf`	`solitron: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html`
`20:40.47`	`solitron`	`enouf: I changed boot parameters.`
`20:40.51`	`agaran`	`quitte: but dpkg/deb etc are mostly black magic, besides that they use AR ;)`
`20:41.23`	`quitte`	`agaran: uhm no they are not. as long as cdbs isn't used in the src deb`
`20:41.58`	`agaran`	`quitte: heh, am debian newbie as i am already said..`
`20:41.59`	`enouf`	`solitron: why on earth are you using amd64 on a 1 GB RAM machine?`
`20:42.19`	`solitron`	`It came like that.`
`20:42.22`	`enouf`	`solitron: file /bin/ls`
`20:42.32`	`enouf`	`no it didn't - you installed it like that`
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`20:43.06`	`solitron`	`/bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped`
`20:43.23`	`bododo`	`is the graphical installer the default in Lenny? (I don't got it with my ibook G4)`
`20:43.23`	`agaran`	`he waste half of memory for 64bit code..`
`20:43.31`	`unixSnob`	`the stable version of mypasswordsafe has a fatal bug on amd64 - how do I install the unstable version?`
`20:43.41`	`solitron`	`Ah, you mean the debian iso that I choose?`
`20:43.57`	`agaran`	`solitron: no, why you use 64bit code and waste half of memory thatway..`
`20:44.20`	`ethanw`	`zundler: whats your partition setup?`
`20:44.23`	`agaran`	`solitron: in most cases 64bit increases memory usage... in that case you have only 1G..`
`20:44.29`	`enouf`	`solitron: as a quick test - use vga=791 .. however; you might want to review /Documentation/fb/* for your lspci -nn \| grep VGA`
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`20:44.46`	`unixSnob`	`is there an aptitude option to install the absolute latest version?`
`20:45.12`	`nsadmin`	`unixSnob: the latest available for that version of debian.`
`20:45.14`	`enouf`	`solitron: you COULD even go with a -486 kernel with so little RAM`
`20:45.15`	`Zundler`	`ethanw: the first partition is an ext3, 153 gb big - the second is a 2,5 gb swap-partition`
`20:45.31`	`ethanw`	`zundler: single boot?`
`20:45.34`	`enouf`	`which has CONFIG_HIGHMEM disabled as default`
`20:45.35`	`Zundler`	`ethanw: wait a moment, ill try it again`
`20:45.36`	`solitron`	`agaran: I'm not knowledgeable, it was an AMD 64bit machine, so I picked the amd64 iso.`
`20:45.43`	`nsadmin`	`unixSnob: the latest version that has beeh packaged for that version of debian`
`20:45.53`	`enouf`	`solitron: is that a s939?`
`20:45.56`	`Zundler`	`ethanw: yes, ive got no 10.5-system, so no bootcamp avaiable`
`20:46.04`	`solitron`	`I don't know.`
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`20:46.11`	`solitron`	`Wait.`
`20:46.13`	`enouf`	`throw 4GB more of RAM in that puppy`
`20:46.14`	`nsadmin`	`NOT necessarily the "absolutely latest version"`
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`20:46.33`	`agaran`	`solitron: i see`
`20:46.41`	`unixSnob`	`nsadmin: the version that I just installed was 0.0.20050615-2, and it looks like there is a version 0.0.20050615-2.1 out now`
`20:46.44`	`nsadmin`	`if you want that, you would have to build it`
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`20:47.09`	`nsadmin`	`oh, try it... it shoudl pick it up`
`20:47.20`	`agaran`	`quitte: mine gconfd (checked via strace) looks for /etc/gconf/2/local-mandatory.path then gconf.xml.mandatory etc, so maybe try to use that way?`
`20:47.30`	`solitron`	`enouf: is that the socket type?`
`20:47.32`	`nsadmin`	`just aptitude install thatpackage`
`20:47.36`	`enouf`	`solitron: yes`
`20:47.42`	`solitron`	`AM2+`
`20:47.58`	`enouf`	`oh -- even better!`
`20:48.04`	`enouf`	`DDR@ ia DIRT CHEAP`
`20:48.09`	`unixSnob`	`nsadmin: i ran "aptitude install mypasswordsafe", and that's what gave me 0.0.20050615-2`
`20:48.10`	`enouf`	`er DDR2`
`20:48.36`	`nsadmin`	`try aptitude update`
`20:48.40`	`nsadmin`	`and then try again`
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`20:48.50`	`unixSnob`	`k`
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`20:48.58`	`enouf`	`do not even start telling me _now_ that it's a craptop`
`20:49.04`	`nsadmin`	`how did you find out it's "available"?`
`20:49.18`	`quitte`	`agaran: hmm. i don't want it to be mandatory. did you see some local-default filename,too?`
`20:49.25`	`enouf`	`loathes unforthcoming people`
`20:49.27`	`solitron`	`:)`
`20:49.42`	`agaran`	`quitte: not really, moment,`
`20:49.44`	`enouf`	`solitron: toss it in the dumpster`
`20:49.45`	`agaran`	`enouf: =)`
`20:49.46`	`enouf`	`:-P`
`20:49.58`	`agaran`	`and tell us location of that dumpster;)`
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`20:50.06`	`Zundler`	`ethanw: i've not installed the grub2-loader and have treid to sync the mbr and the gpt, but the program says therese nothing to sync`
`20:50.13`	`enouf`	`i'd rather have an ibm stinkpad from 1999`
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`20:50.29`	`agaran`	`quitte: priv, 2 line paste?`
`20:50.31`	`oznt`	`hi everyone`
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`20:50.45`	`quitte`	`agaran: sure.`
`20:51.28`	`oznt`	`I'm desperately trying to install a program made with java, but configure keeps complaining "Java Development Kit not found" can someone help me ?`
`20:51.41`	`oznt`	`ofcourse, I did install sun-java-jdk`
`20:51.48`	`solitron`	`I have a PII 500MHz with 256MB of RAM(?) that I found near the garbage and it's working.`
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`20:52.29`	`enouf`	`Debian .. i'm sorry .. but it's true .. it's getting really fucken bloated and stupid .. all the DE influences want to fuck with standard /etc/* conffiles`
`20:52.49`	`ethanw`	`zundler: hold tight im having a read up a second`
`20:52.54`	`enouf`	`try following or adding a menu item to the standard debian menu .. go ahead`
`20:53.32`	`Zundler`	`ethanw: just on moment, please, i must see what ive done... ;-/`
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`20:53.55`	`enouf`	`you need to edit/touch/create an XML file entry in /usr/share/menus - see /etc/menu* which points you to all other places, then run update-menus .. FUCK this`
`20:54.36`	`Zundler`	`ethanw: jesus, it seems to work`
`20:54.42`	`jspiros`	`4 disks: fakeraid 01, fakeraid 1 + lvm striping, softraid 01, softraid 1 + lvm striping, softraid 5, or something crazy like btrfs?`
`20:54.44`	`Zundler`	`wohooo`
`20:54.45`	`enouf`	`now we also have the BRILLIANT /etc/*.d/ dirs ...`
`20:54.54`	`ethanw`	`zundler: what did you do?`
`20:55.18`	`enouf`	`man update-[TAB][TAB] .. go ahead`
`20:55.22`	`Zundler`	`ethanw: i have installed lilo, efi seems to work better with it`
`20:55.39`	`Hawson`	`jspiros: what are you using it for?`
`20:55.41`	`enouf`	`stops`
`20:56.04`	`jspiros`	`Hawson: got a 4GB CF card for / and /usr, so it'll be for /home and /var`
`20:56.11`	`sylar`	`quitte, it looks like it work, but just in case I did it over hoping that everything on disk stayed as was (sized up everything down a bit more and up)`
`20:56.35`	`Hawson`	`jspiros: so where do the "4 disks" come in?`
`20:56.42`	`Hawson`	`ah, I see`
`20:56.46`	`Hawson`	`thinks`
`20:56.47`	`jspiros`	`Hawson: /home and /var`
`20:56.59`	`Hawson`	`this a workstation?`
`20:57.03`	`jspiros`	`Hawson: it's my home router/server`
`20:57.19`	`Hawson`	`so, keeping "important" data?`
`20:57.35`	`jspiros`	`Hawson: Maildir is probably the most important thing, but yeah`
`20:57.38`	`unixSnob`	`nsadmin: do i need to tell it to use backports? after updating, it's the same version`
`20:57.50`	`Hawson`	`thinks`
`20:58.03`	`Zundler`	`ethanw: thanks, youre force have helped me :-)`
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`20:58.11`	`Hawson`	`if you have a disk failure, how quickly will you get replacement hardware?`
`20:58.28`	`ethanw`	`zundler: i didnt do anything, but your welcome anyway`
`20:58.31`	`jspiros`	`Hawson: within a week`
`20:58.39`	`Hawson`	`ouch`
`20:58.40`	`Hawson`	`okay`
`20:58.49`	`Hawson`	`drive size?`
`20:58.54`	`jspiros`	`500GB`
`20:58.54`	`Zundler`	`ethanw: ;-)`
`20:58.58`	`Hawson`	`okay,`
`20:59.21`	`Hawson`	`I'm almost tempted to suggest 3-disk RAID5, plus 1 spare`
`20:59.29`	`ethanw`	`zundler: my knowledge of current macs now extends past "OS X's NFS is fuxored"`
`20:59.42`	`jspiros`	`Hawson: I'm open to that`
`20:59.58`	`Hawson`	`that's a waste though`
`21:00.04`	`Hawson`	`IMO,`
`21:00.32`	`Hawson`	`if you can get a replacement drive in "a day or two" instead of "a week"`
`21:00.38`	`Hawson`	`then 4-disk RAID5`
`21:00.46`	`Hawson`	`or RAID10 would work`
`21:00.51`	`jspiros`	`okay`
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`21:00.58`	`Hawson`	`LVM in all cases`
`21:01.00`	`unixSnob`	`how do I install a sid package on etch? will it work?`
`21:01.11`	`jspiros`	`yeah, I'll be doing LVM in any case, but it's a question of if I'd use it to do striping`
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`21:01.14`	`Hawson`	`and don't use LVM to do the striping`
`21:01.17`	`jspiros`	`ok`
`21:01.22`	`Hawson`	`use the md layer`
`21:01.22`	`enouf`	`!permasunday`
`21:01.23`	`dpkg`	`All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html`
`21:01.32`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`unixSnob, most likely: no`
`21:01.36`	`beardy`	`unixSnob: Why are you using Etch?`
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`21:01.47`	`Hawson`	`jspiros: although...`
`21:01.49`	`Walex`	`I have 4 disks, but I run them as 2 live + 2 backups, and I do overnight backups. RAID in my case is not a good idea because any accidental deletion or bug could hit both main and "backup" drive.`
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`21:02.07`	`jspiros`	`Hawson: I've got a 4.5TB RAID-Z that I'll probably set up automated LVMsnapshot->ZFS backups with, so I should be reasonably safe`
`21:02.07`	`Hawson`	`You could create 2 mirrors, and add them as separate PVs`
`21:02.13`	`enouf`	`then you need separate arrays`
`21:02.25`	`Hawson`	`and manage them separately`
`21:02.30`	`unixSnob`	`beardy: i'm actually running a bastardized hacked version of etch, because I ran into issues when installing on both etch and the next version`
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`21:02.37`	`jspiros`	`Hawson: yeah, I just don't know about performance, raid10 vs raid 5`
`21:02.42`	`Hawson`	`10 > 5`
`21:02.43`	`Hawson`	`:)`
`21:02.45`	`jspiros`	`Hawson: and by performance I don't mean throughput, I mean CPU`
`21:02.47`	`Hawson`	`especially for writes`
`21:02.52`	`enouf`	`raid10 is better`
`21:02.55`	`Hawson`	`same is true`
`21:02.57`	`enouf`	`less disk space avail though`
`21:03.04`	`Hawson`	`no need to calculate checksums`
`21:03.04`	`Zundler`	`ethanw: what does fuxored mean? sorry, i'm german. :-)`
`21:03.11`	`unixSnob`	`i'm certainly not going to change systems now that I finally have a fragile but working platform`
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`21:03.12`	`Hawson`	`enouf: in this case, not much different`
`21:03.17`	`Hawson`	`difference`
`21:03.25`	`enouf`	`it's 2 mirrors, it is better`
`21:03.26`	`Hawson`	`Zundler: "messed up" "fucked"`
`21:03.52`	`agaran`	`Hawson: raid10 might survive after two disc failure, raid5 on 4 disk 3+1) WONT`
`21:03.59`	`jspiros`	`raid5 + 1 spare actually sounds somewhat better to me than raid10, if only because then one drive wouldn't be working all the time`
`21:04.07`	`Hawson`	`agaran: you assume that the 2 disks are in different pairs`
`21:04.17`	`Hawson`	`with 4 disks, you have good odds that is not the case`
`21:04.27`	`Hawson`	`jspiros: <nod>`
`21:04.27`	`enouf`	`jspiros: check the rebuild time and CPU needed`
`21:04.35`	`agaran`	`Hawson: true, thats why i said it MIGHT survive, raid5 has NO way to survive..`
`21:04.43`	`Hawson`	`you get the same space`
`21:04.48`	`Hawson`	`agaran: agreed`
`21:04.49`	`enouf`	`no you don't`
`21:04.49`	`agaran`	`Hawson: even thinnest chance is still better than no chance:-)`
`21:04.59`	`abrotman`	`jspiros: FWIW .. google "BAARF RAID"`
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`21:05.09`	`enouf`	`if you think you do, you did it wrong`
`21:05.11`	`Hawson`	`enouf: 3 disk raid 5 + 1 spare == 2 disks of space`
`21:05.17`	`Zundler`	`ethanw: sorry, i don't understand the sence, but i think i don't want to work with mac os x any more... ;-)`
`21:05.26`	`Hawson`	`raid 10, over 4 disks == 2 disks of space`
`21:05.27`	`enouf`	`no, the spare is not used == less space used`
`21:05.37`	`Hawson`	`how is 2 != 2?`
`21:05.44`	`enouf`	`!42`
`21:05.44`	`dpkg`	`hmm... 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or not the meaning of life`
`21:05.45`	`oznt`	`anyone can help with java on debian?`
`21:05.47`	`abrotman`	`Hawson: pentium bug :)`
`21:05.52`	`Hawson`	`abrotman: heh`
`21:06.00`	`Hawson`	`jspiros: yeah, read up on BAARF`
`21:06.14`	`Hawson`	`is annoyed that Coraid doesn't yet do raid6`
`21:06.16`	`ethanw`	`zundler: i tried doing NFS shares from linux to os x, and i spent hours banging my head against the wall, then switched to SMB cos NFS in OS X doesnt bloody work`
`21:06.18`	`Hawson`	`...although that's coming.`
`21:06.39`	`jspiros`	`Hawson: hmm`
`21:06.51`	`jspiros`	`to be honest I'm annoyed that btrfs doesn't have raid-5 yet`
`21:06.57`	`jspiros`	`I love my RAID-Z :x`
`21:07.13`	`Hawson`	`jspiros: there are sooooo many things in solaris I want`
`21:07.18`	`Hawson`	`I just don't want solaris. :)`
`21:07.22`	`jspiros`	`yeah`
`21:07.26`	`Hawson`	`zfs`
`21:07.28`	`Hawson`	`dtrace`
`21:07.28`	`jspiros`	`zfs-fuse is decent...`
`21:07.31`	`abrotman`	`wonders why jspiros hasn't implemented raid5 in btrfs yet`
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`21:07.57`	`Zundler`	`ethanw: im not a programer, so i dont know what you mean. but i gues the compatibility of mac os x is horrible`
`21:08.23`	`jspiros`	`abrotman: I guess I could try, but it would be my first time doing filesystem development, and it just seems wrong to cut my teeth on something important`
`21:08.28`	`lewis2`	`argh - I forgot my SSL pass phrase`
`21:08.28`	`ethanw`	`zundler: osx is as osx does. It doesnt work with anything even remotely non-mac in my experience`
`21:08.31`	`jspiros`	`abrotman: I guess someone more experienced would check my patches though`
`21:08.42`	`lewis2`	`will providers let me regenerate my SSL cert for free you think? ;)`
`21:08.43`	`abrotman`	`jspiros: i'm sure someone would check your work :)`
`21:08.49`	`enouf`	`Hawson: your logic reminds me of a typical statistical fallicy; for ex; "If 25% of ALL FATAL USA highway can be attributed to Drunk or Impaired driving - what are the other 75% doing wrong?" and shouldn't THOSE other 75% have THEIR licenses revoked instead?`
`21:08.56`	`Hawson`	`jspiros: actually, give it a shot.`
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`21:09.15`	`Hawson`	`I've found that the inital code writing is harder than reviewing other code`
`21:09.26`	`enouf`	`er s/highway/highway deaths/ .. but 'fatal' implies that :-P`
`21:09.30`	`Hawson`	`enouf: I'm talking about capacity, not MTTDL`
`21:09.53`	`enouf`	`MTTF`
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`21:09.57`	`Hawson`	`no`
`21:09.59`	`enouf`	`no`
`21:10.01`	`Hawson`	`Data Loss`
`21:10.03`	`Hawson`	`not Failure`
`21:10.12`	`enouf`	`Capacity != Usable spave`
`21:10.15`	`Hawson`	`different metrace`
`21:10.17`	`enouf`	`space`
`21:10.18`	`Hawson`	`metric`
`21:10.22`	`Hawson`	`enouf: Yes, I know that`
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`21:10.51`	`Hawson`	`for N disks, RAID10, no spares gives you sizeof(disk) * N/2`
`21:10.53`	`enouf`	`Data loss can happen with any FS corruption`
`21:10.57`	`enouf`	`hence Backups`
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`21:11.03`	`Hawson`	`for N disks, RAID5, no spares gives you sizeof(disk) * (N-1)`
`21:11.13`	`enouf`	`and?`
`21:11.13`	`Hawson`	`enouf: you're mixing apples/oranges`
`21:11.32`	`Hawson`	`if you lose data to FS corrcuption, the RAID/LVM/disk/blah/blah doesn't matter at all`
`21:11.51`	`agaran`	`Hawson: there are higher levels than 10 too, but if you step higher on that ladder you get less space for data more for checksums..`
`21:11.57`	`enouf`	`they're both sweet - but i'll take 10 apple pies over 5 oranges anyday`
`21:12.03`	`Zundler`	`ethanw: its a long story with my macbook, but i can tell you: if i have a choice i dont want to use a macbook... ;)`
`21:12.09`	`abrotman`	`!enter`
`21:12.09`	`dpkg`	`The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.`
`21:12.10`	`enouf`	`Hawson: bingo`
`21:12.22`	`Hawson`	`agaran: yep. 50, 30, etc`
`21:12.25`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`Why is the mail list doing this? Host or domain name not found. Name service error for: name=MXASPMX5.GOOGLEMAIL.com type=AAAA: Host not found`
`21:12.28`	`Hawson`	`I'm familiar with them`
`21:12.58`	`agaran`	`Hawson: there are communication protocols which perfectly work over long distances that ofer 1/100 or less from bandwith offered by communcation layer, rest is used to correct errors that might happen..`
`21:13.16`	`Hawson`	`so with a 3 disk raid5, with 1 spare, you have 2 disks worth of capcity for data storage`
`21:13.22`	`agaran`	`true`
`21:13.31`	`Hawson`	`with 4 disk raid 10, you ALSO have 2 disks of capacity`
`21:13.32`	`agaran`	`Hawson: i saw raid6 somewhere, 2 spares for N disks..`
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`21:13.40`	`Hawson`	`agaran: correct`
`21:13.44`	`agaran`	`Hawson: but i am not sure if that wasnt some propertiary thingie`
`21:13.46`	`Hawson`	`NetApps do this`
`21:13.58`	`agaran`	`it was some hardware based raid, i forgot which`
`21:13.59`	`Hawson`	`the linux md driver can do raid6`
`21:14.04`	`agaran`	`never tried yet`
`21:14.21`	`agaran`	`i must put to operation my home emc and forget about drives...`
`21:14.25`	`enouf`	`Hawson: check your rebuild times of multi-TB array in raid5`
`21:14.33`	`Hawson`	`enouf: they suck`
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`21:15.14`	`enouf`	`so use raid10 .. _and_ make Backups/Archives ;-0`
`21:15.29`	`Hawson`	`yes`
`21:15.34`	`ethanw`	`anyone know how much speed gain there is on a crusoe tweaked kernel than a standard x86 one?`
`21:15.41`	`Hawson`	`where did you get the idea that I thought "raid == backup"?`
`21:15.50`	`enouf`	`ethanw: Robinson?`
`21:16.00`	`Hawson`	`as I'm well aware that is not the case`
`21:16.01`	`ethanw`	`lol no, transmeta`
`21:16.10`	`enouf`	`Hawson: you implied it from the outset .. or so i thought`
`21:16.20`	`Hawson`	`enouf: nope.`
`21:16.26`	`Hawson`	`at least, not intentionally`
`21:16.42`	`enouf`	`ok, i concede then - nm`
`21:16.55`	`Hawson`	`I've ~100TB of space at work I have to maintain. I'm well aware of the difference. ;-)`
`21:17.05`	`enouf`	`heh`
`21:17.06`	`agaran`	`;D`
`21:17.15`	`enouf`	`got room for another admin? :-p`
`21:17.25`	`Hawson`	`however, you question about 5/10 MTTDL is interesting`
`21:17.40`	`Hawson`	`and I'm not sure of the best choice in this case (using 4 disks)`
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`21:18.01`	`enouf`	`disks are cheap - just don't buy in batches ;0`
`21:18.14`	`Hawson`	`I suppose it boils down to the % chance you will have a 2-drive failure in the same mirror pair in a raid10`
`21:18.24`	`Hawson`	`vs. a 2nd failure before a Raid5 rebuild is done`
`21:18.35`	`agaran`	`enouf: buy in batches but have smart supplier.. ?`
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`21:18.54`	`agaran`	`enouf: and tell them that you like 10 but from different series..`
`21:18.56`	`enouf`	`agaran: i don't trust anyone :-)`
`21:18.58`	`Hawson`	`I actually think the 3 disks raid5 +1 spare might be more fault tolerant`
`21:19.07`	`abrotman`	`points at #debian-offtopic`
`21:19.09`	`Hawson`	`since the auto rebuild should not take more than a few hours`
`21:19.22`	`Hawson`	`whereas a replacement for a raid10 array may take days`
`21:19.25`	`agaran`	`enouf: serialnumbers are easy to check..`
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`21:19.40`	`agaran`	`enouf: and really i saw responsible (to certain level) suppliers`
`21:20.05`	`enouf`	`agaran: consider yourself blessed`
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`21:20.11`	`NavY-Seal`	`i am trying to install debian on a P4 machine after finishing installation without any errors the machine gives a lot of errors and i cant read them is there a way to load debian so i can see the log file if there is one`
`21:20.12`	`NavY-Seal`	`?`
`21:20.27`	`agaran`	`enouf: :-) bless $self, $class; i do that quite often, that counts?;>`
`21:20.41`	`abrotman`	`NavY-Seal: the machine gives errors when?`
`21:20.52`	`abrotman`	`NavY-Seal: did you do anything special in the installation?`
`21:21.01`	`sundaymorning`	`hi. I needed to use this configuration on xorg in order to make my keyboard work on X: http://rafb.net/p/iQVVYA66.html how do I make similar configuration so my keyboard works in ttys?`
`21:21.22`	`enouf`	`agaran: only if accompanied via the debian chant and the sacrifice of a few small farm animals`
`21:21.51`	`sundaymorning`	`the key thing being the xkbmodel, thinkpad, which makes it so the ? key really is ? instead of ctrl`
`21:22.19`	`agaran`	`enouf: hmm, i don't know debian chant, i used to praise at RPMs long time (but not redhat), and animals, i have two cats..`
`21:22.29`	`enouf`	`sundaymorning: loadkeys for temporary`
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`21:23.52`	`enouf`	`sundaymorning: prolly one of;`
`21:23.59`	`enouf`	`~$ dpkg-reconfigure console-`
`21:24.00`	`enouf`	`console-common console-data console-setup console-terminus console-tools`
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`21:24.50`	`enouf`	`i have the exact opposite issue - Consoles/TTYs work fine - X sucks ass`
`21:25.14`	`enouf`	`sundaymorning: ##ibmthinkpad might know more specifics`
`21:25.48`	`enouf`	`agaran: plumping those kitties up eh? :-P`
`21:25.51`	`sundaymorning`	`thanks`
`21:25.52`	`enouf`	`hides`
`21:26.25`	`Hawson`	`on a different note, has anyone experimented with the netbook respin on a Vostro A90/Mini 9?`
`21:26.30`	`agaran`	`enouf: nooo, not yet, i still like them even i had to clean fans too often..`
`21:26.41`	`abrotman`	`!tell sundaymorning about keymap`
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`21:27.10`	`agaran`	`enouf: and, little, one of them weight ~8kg ;) not exactly kittie ;D`
`21:27.20`	`enouf`	`hah`
`21:27.24`	`NavY-Seal`	`abrotman: no i havent done anything special just fallowd the graphic install the only thing is that i have eide instad of an ide hdd and i saw in the bigining of the errors was smth related to usb hub smth abt driver not suported and then a buch of address errors`
`21:27.40`	`abrotman`	`smth?`
`21:27.42`	`abrotman`	`abt?`
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`21:28.02`	`enouf`	`NavY-Seal: eide is ide`
`21:28.08`	`abrotman`	`NavY-Seal: did you use lvm or swraid?`
`21:28.14`	`cps0`	`hi, is there any way to migrate a 32bit debian sid to 64 bits install without reinstall the system?`
`21:28.26`	`enouf`	`no`
`21:28.35`	`enouf`	`not that i know of ...`
`21:29.05`	`ethanw`	`cps0: well you would have to recompile everything`
`21:29.16`	`cps0`	`in the past I was not comfort with 64 bits, but now I want to have a try in my notebook`
`21:29.29`	`ethanw`	`cps0: surely its easier to backup what you need and go from clean`
`21:29.35`	`nsadmin`	`cps0: one option, dual boot`
`21:29.43`	`caraconan`	`[SOLVED] vzctl set name_of_child --devnodes ttyS0:rw --save`
`21:29.44`	`enouf`	`debootstrap`
`21:30.05`	`cps0`	`ok, i'll do that way. i have backups from everything here, so a fresh install is not a problem`
`21:30.16`	`cps0`	`thanks`
`21:30.24`	`nsadmin`	`you could have /home as a separate partition and mount it on either`
`21:30.53`	`enouf`	`ugh .. careful there ...`
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`21:31.03`	`ethanw`	`nsadmin: some stuff likes to drop binaries into home tho. looking at you, firefox`
`21:31.15`	`enouf`	`bingo`
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`21:31.20`	`enouf`	`et all`
`21:31.33`	`nsadmin`	`hmm, that would be a problem`
`21:34.30`	`ethanw`	`cps0: you could double tree your home, say like have a folder called "docs" and put anything in there that you want to swap about. wouldn't get configs tho`
`21:36.27`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`cps0, you mean uninstall all 32-bit packages and install 64-bit packages instead, but without reinstalling? :)`
`21:36.35`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`what is it, that you call reinstall, then? :))`
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`21:36.48`	`nsadmin`	`if he's ok with a fresh install, that would obviously be easier all the way around... he could also avoid firefox`
`21:37.16`	`nsadmin`	`but he wouldn't need to if he didn't go for the dual boot test]`
`21:37.29`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`ethanw, you mean plugins?s`
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`21:38.03`	`ethanw`	`cutmeownthroat: yep, as well as its actual binaries if you dont use the .debs and opt for their shitty tar`
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`21:38.27`	`zepho`	`hi, is it possible to automatically resume from suspend-to-ram after a given time?`
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`21:38.52`	`ethanw`	`zepho: some BIOS's have this function`
`21:38.56`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`ethanw, why would ANYONE not use the .debs (AND ask anything in here after mesing up)`
`21:39.00`	`nsadmin`	`zepho: what's running when you suspend to ram?`
`21:39.17`	`gigglet`	`How do I add a route to the gateway 1.2.3.4?`
`21:39.23`	`ethanw`	`cutmeownthroat: they can be a bit out of date. as for why they'd complain here ive no idea`
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`21:39.28`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`zepho, if there's something in your bios that does it...`
`21:39.39`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`ethanw, tab!`
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`21:39.47`	`nsadmin`	`gigglet: in interfaces, add a gateway 1.2.3.4 line`
`21:39.58`	`ethanw`	`cutmeownthroat: tab?`
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`21:40.26`	`johanbr`	`#join #debian-devl`
`21:40.29`	`nsadmin`	`then ifdown thatinterface ; ifup thatinterface`
`21:40.36`	`johanbr`	`grumble`
`21:40.45`	`nsadmin`	`the devl made him do it!`
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`21:40.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`ethanw, to complete my nick... must be painful to type :)9`
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`21:41.11`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`!pal johanbr`
`21:41.11`	`dpkg`	`points at johanbr and laughs uproariously`
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`21:41.20`	`ethanw`	`CutMeOwnThroat: ahhhhh. didnt know you could do that`
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`21:41.59`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`:)`
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`21:42.35`	`zepho`	`yes, i've seen bios wake up from suspend, but i'm looking for suspend-not-quite-to-ram, going only so much to sleep that fans can be turned off safely, and software will wake it up after a certain time. doable? already done?`
`21:42.36`	`neocon`	`hi`
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`21:42.43`	`neocon`	`is there a "cut down" version of lenny ?`
`21:43.00`	`zepho`	`neocon: in what way?`
`21:43.00`	`abrotman`	`neocon: sure .. you install it and don't install extra stuff`
`21:43.02`	`nsadmin`	`the minimum is the base`
`21:43.20`	`gigglet`	`nsadmin, I have, but when I try to ping it, it says: Network is unreachable`
`21:43.24`	`\amethyst`	`!emdebian`
`21:43.24`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, emdebian is a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distribution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net`
`21:43.50`	`cps0`	`<CutMeOwnThroat, yes, it was it I was thinking about`
`21:43.57`	`nsadmin`	`gigglet: ping it from where?`
`21:44.08`	`gigglet`	`nsadmin, sorry, try to ping another machine from the server`
`21:44.30`	`nsadmin`	`ok, do you have physical access to the machine?`
`21:44.48`	`gigglet`	`nsadmin, I have a virtual console`
`21:45.06`	`\amethyst`	`hm`
`21:45.17`	`nsadmin`	`so, no?`
`21:45.17`	`\amethyst`	`embedded debian is now an official sub-project`
`21:45.25`	`gigglet`	`nsadmin, so yes`
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`21:45.40`	`nsadmin`	`ok,`
`21:45.41`	`cps0`	`CutMeOwnThroat, replacing all 32 bits packages to the corresponding 64 bits version`
`21:45.57`	`nsadmin`	`so first, could you pastebin the interfaces file?`
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`21:46.01`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`cps0, no, they are different architectures... you can /msg dpkg dpkg aptitude clone, though - I think that would mostly work`
`21:46.28`	`\amethyst`	`dpkg, emdebian =~ s/is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distribution [yet]/is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official sub-project of Debian/`
`21:46.29`	`dpkg`	`\amethyst: OK`
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`21:46.49`	`\amethyst`	`dpkg, emdebian =~ s/a project/a distribution/`
`21:46.49`	`dpkg`	`OK, \amethyst`
`21:46.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`oh, is that so`
`21:47.22`	`cps0`	`CutMeOwnThroat, thks`
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`21:47.51`	`mrAZ`	`what means ata1.00: status: { DRDY } ?`
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`21:48.37`	`ethanw`	`mrAZ: from memory its just a generic disk ready message`
`21:48.47`	`nsadmin`	`gigglet, could you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file?`
`21:49.07`	`gigglet`	`No, but I can screenshot it :)`
`21:49.22`	`nsadmin`	`that'd be alright`
`21:49.25`	`mrAZ`	`i compiled 2.6.29.4 real time and is not booting. only lots of errors and DRDY messages`
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`21:49.41`	`valdyn`	`mrAZ: why are you messing with the kernel?`
`21:49.42`	`ethanw`	`mrAZ: what errors?`
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`21:50.03`	`nsadmin`	`valdyn I think he wants RT`
`21:50.08`	`mrAZ`	`exception Emask ..... action 0x2 frozen`
`21:50.25`	`ethanw`	`is out of my depth, sorry`
`21:50.31`	`nickgrey147`	`ive used irssi for awhile now lol i feel silly asking this but can u join more then one channel ?`
`21:50.43`	`gigglet`	`nsadmin, http://img41.imageshack.us/my.php?image=interfaces.jpg`
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`21:50.44`	`mrAZ`	`valdyn: beacuse i need real time mess`
`21:51.02`	`bododo`	`hello wold :)`
`21:51.11`	`valdyn`	`nsadmin: i think he thinks he needs rt`
`21:51.18`	`valdyn`	`ehe`
`21:51.33`	`bododo`	`I'm about to switch from ubuntu 9.04 to lenny. Is theer something I should copy before doing so?`
`21:51.47`	`valdyn`	`bododo: backup /home`
`21:51.48`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`cps0, that doesn't free you from doing a fresh base-install, though`
`21:51.48`	`bododo`	`(everything's working fine on ubuntu right now)`
`21:51.51`	`gigglet`	`nsadmin, and the output from route is: http://img41.imageshack.us/my.php?image=route.jpg - That's what's screwed up afaik`
`21:51.55`	`bododo`	`valdyn: done :)`
`21:52.16`	`nickgrey147`	`bododo: good choice`
`21:52.22`	`bododo`	`valdyn: what about the wifi (I'm on a ppc) I bet it won't be easy to have it on lenny?`
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`21:52.42`	`valdyn`	`bododo: i dont know if its easy for you`
`21:52.51`	`nsadmin`	`gigglet: that image site is popping up spam windows`
`21:52.54`	`valdyn`	`bododo: it will likely not work out of the box however`
`21:52.59`	`nickgrey147`	`bododo: did ubuntu auto detect it ?`
`21:53.06`	`bododo`	`valdyn: the installer when I boot is text only, is this natural?`
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`21:53.08`	`gigglet`	`nsadmin, want the direct link to the actual img then?`
`21:53.13`	`valdyn`	`bododo: yes`
`21:53.13`	`bododo`	`I'm using the xfce lxde iso`
`21:53.18`	`nsadmin`	`sure`
`21:53.25`	`bododo`	`nickyes, it did`
`21:53.35`	`nickgrey147`	`o ok :P`
`21:53.36`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`bododo, everything's working fine and you want to change that?s`
`21:53.40`	`bododo`	`nickgrey147: :)`
`21:53.41`	`gigglet`	`nsadmin, http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9674/interfaces.jpg and http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/8012/route.jpg`
`21:53.46`	`nickgrey147`	`:D`
`21:53.57`	`bododo`	`CutMeOwnThroat: yes, too bloated for me :(`
`21:54.12`	`bododo`	`and I want a real distro (no troll or bashing intenede)`
`21:54.27`	`bododo`	`the "ubuntu one" and the bloat turned me off`
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`21:54.47`	`nickgrey147`	`bododo: the name turned me off lol`
`21:54.52`	`nsadmin`	`ok, it looks like your gateway is not within your net, and your network address isn't right`
`21:55.01`	`nsadmin`	`let me see`
`21:55.12`	`gigglet`	`nsadmin, I can't work out how to change the route stuff though`
`21:55.17`	`bododo`	`nickgrey147: yeah, me too the "attitude". I don't like it`
`21:55.36`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`bododo, I just meant... the moment everything works just as you want is not the moment to switch to something else`
`21:55.48`	`bododo`	`so how will I choose xfce over lxde in that textual installer?`
`21:56.29`	`bododo`	`CutMeOwnThroat: well, to be honnest, I still hesitate, the week is busy (got some work to do on that machine) but I'm eager to switch :)`
`21:56.40`	`nickgrey147`	`bododo: install it after :P just leave it out`
`21:56.53`	`nickgrey147`	`then apt-get install xfce off the cd as a repo`
`21:57.00`	`bododo`	`but iz wantz debian! :p`
`21:57.36`	`bododo`	`nickgrey147: well, my Internet is slow, that's why I choosed that iso over the netinst`
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`21:57.51`	`bododo`	`to avoid installing X and xfce online`
`21:58.17`	`nickgrey147`	`bododo: just had dajvue how ever you spell that , north africa right /`
`21:58.19`	`nickgrey147`	`lol`
`21:58.33`	`bododo`	`nickgrey147: even worse!`
`21:58.37`	`bododo`	`northern :)`
`21:58.48`	`nsadmin`	`gigglet your network address (for .50) is 76.73.3.48`
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`21:58.59`	`bododo`	`english is my 4th language, sorry by the way for it being poor :)`
`21:59.06`	`gigglet`	`nsadmin, O_o`
`21:59.10`	`nickgrey147`	`bododo: haha ahh yes :P`
`21:59.19`	`bododo`	`yes :)`
`21:59.22`	`nickgrey147`	`bododo: can u speak xhosa ? :P`
`21:59.26`	`nickgrey147`	`u should love ubuntu`
`21:59.27`	`nickgrey147`	`lol`
`21:59.35`	`gigglet`	`nsadmin, why would it .48?`
`21:59.42`	`bododo`	`nope, I used to be a fedorista`
`21:59.46`	`nickgrey147`	`xhosa ( ubuntu= kind heartness or sumthing liek that)`
`21:59.53`	`bododo`	`before that I was on MDK and before that redhat`
`22:00.02`	`nsadmin`	`gigglet: address & netmask`
`22:00.13`	`gigglet`	`okay`
`22:00.18`	`nsadmin`	`bitwise and`
`22:00.20`	`nickgrey147`	`bododo: have u eva tryed arch linux a try :)`
`22:00.27`	`gigglet`	`Before I changed IP's though, it was fine with the network being the same as the GW`
`22:00.33`	`nickgrey147`	`alltho u need fast internet to install that`
`22:00.34`	`nickgrey147`	`:/`
`22:00.38`	`bododo`	`nickgrey147: I wanted but opted for debian :)`
`22:00.39`	`nsadmin`	`and you need a gateway inside that net`
`22:00.53`	`nsadmin`	`.17 is not`
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`22:01.02`	`bododo`	`hesitated between arch, gentoo and debian, and debian won my heart`
`22:01.17`	`nickgrey147`	`bododo: nyc :P i hate gentoo lol over rated`
`22:01.22`	`nsadmin`	`send it a valentine!`
`22:01.31`	`nickgrey147`	`bododo: or should i waste of time`
`22:01.33`	`bododo`	`i will! :)`
`22:01.59`	`gigglet`	`nsadmin, how would I delete the route that I already have?`
`22:02.05`	`gigglet`	`Because that one is obviously wrong`
`22:02.17`	`nsadmin`	`just bring the interface down`
`22:02.18`	`bododo`	`so, is it wise to want to switch with my work still waiting?`
`22:02.25`	`nsadmin`	`ifdown eth0`
`22:02.30`	`bododo`	`I mean would a night suffice? :)`
`22:02.38`	`nickgrey147`	`bododo: debian is like exactly the same as ubuntu :P`
`22:02.52`	`nickgrey147`	`bododo: well the way i see it`
`22:02.53`	`nsadmin`	`(remember tho, we're assuming the machine is no further than your arm can reach)`
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`22:03.01`	`bododo`	`nickgrey147: not me :)`
`22:03.13`	`datacrusher`	`hi everyone. iv tryed some tutorials on the web, with no sucess. can anyone indicate me a good tutorial about how to install flash player on debian 64?`
`22:03.23`	`bododo`	`nickgrey147: I have a stable system, I don't care about multiple updates`
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`22:03.37`	`nickgrey147`	`bododo: haha i geus debian seems alot better i used ubuntu for like a week and things just went wrong`
`22:03.38`	`bododo`	`I don't want the shiny new, I just want a minimal beast`
`22:03.40`	`gigglet`	`nsadmin, ifdown eth0 doesn't work, as it says it's not configured`
`22:03.55`	`nsadmin`	`nickgrey147: from a user's standpoint, you can't tell the difference between dists... but internally and administratively, they're not the same`
`22:04.49`	`bododo`	`dang! life's short!`
`22:05.03`	`bododo`	`I don't even know if I'll live enough to try out debian`
`22:05.16`	`bododo`	`so I'm doing it tonight! :)`
`22:05.17`	`nsadmin`	`no one knows that`
`22:05.42`	`nickgrey147`	`nsadmin: well what i mean is , i can tell the differnce between like debian and rhel , and arch , ect , but ubuntu is very similair , like addapting shouldnt take more then 10 minutes`
`22:06.10`	`gigglet`	`hmm, I'll try a reboot`
`22:06.20`	`nsadmin`	`nickgrey147: but as a plain user, you woudlnt' have access to the things that make debian different from say yggdrazin`
`22:06.20`	`bododo`	`nickgrey147: it's not about adapting actually. I can even go without X, just with screen and vim`
`22:06.42`	`nsadmin`	`gigglet: wait, not done yet`
`22:06.45`	`bododo`	`I'm just wondering if it won't be hard to setup a minimal environnement`
`22:07.05`	`nsadmin`	`no, it's easy to do that`
`22:07.20`	`nickgrey147`	`nsadmin: o ok , yea i hear you :P`
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`22:08.08`	`gigglet`	`nsadmin, reboot did nothing to get rid of the route that's there`
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`22:09.19`	`bododo`	`sp, here we go! thanks for the support guys! See you :)`
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`22:09.25`	`bododo`	`s/sp/so`
`22:09.26`	`nickgrey147`	`bododo: have you given the dvd any though ?`
`22:09.27`	`nsadmin`	`gigglet: so what is it that provides 76.73.3.50?`
`22:09.33`	`nickgrey147`	`bododo: good luck :D`
`22:09.42`	`bododo`	`nickgrey147: I have the xfce lxde iso`
`22:09.45`	`bododo`	`:)`
`22:09.49`	`gigglet`	`nsadmin, what do you mean? Who told me that number, the DC did, that and the gatewat at .17`
`22:09.51`	`bododo`	`thanks!`
`22:10.12`	`nsadmin`	`there's no gateway at .49?`
`22:10.22`	`gigglet`	`nope`
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`22:10.39`	`nsadmin`	`can you ping .49?`
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`22:10.44`	`nickgrey147`	`Can i stop x on a single monitor in a dual x envioroment ??`
`22:10.53`	`nsadmin`	`are you sure the netmask is correct?`
`22:10.59`	`gigglet`	`nsadmin, yes`
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`22:11.34`	`nsadmin`	`with normal routing, you can't get to .17`
`22:11.40`	`gigglet`	`ok`
`22:11.42`	`nsadmin`	`it's not within your net`
`22:12.00`	`nsadmin`	`btw, why do you have a /29 net?`
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`22:12.13`	`nsadmin`	`or s/why/how/ if you prefer`
`22:12.57`	`nickgrey147`	`i sigh at bit notation`
`22:12.57`	`nickgrey147`	`lol`
`22:12.57`	`gigglet`	`I have no idea, lol :P`
`22:13.13`	`nsadmin`	`so you have many IPs, and they're static`
`22:13.29`	`nsadmin`	`can you ping .49`
`22:13.32`	`gigglet`	`I have 2 IPs, .50 and .51`
`22:13.33`	`gigglet`	`Yes`
`22:13.41`	`nickgrey147`	`what ur subnet`
`22:13.43`	`nsadmin`	`ok, that's in your net`
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`22:14.15`	`nsadmin`	`try this just for fun...`
`22:14.24`	`nsadmin`	`change the gateway line to`
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`22:14.54`	`nsadmin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:15.04`	`gigglet`	`what about the network line?`
`22:15.05`	`nsadmin`	`save the file (don't reboot)`
`22:15.22`	`nsadmin`	`the network line should be 76.73.3.48`
`22:15.26`	`gigglet`	`ok`
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`22:15.57`	`nickgrey147`	`I wish i had read from the begging cos this isnt making sence`
`22:15.58`	`nsadmin`	`that broadcast line is incorrect also, but it's commented`
`22:15.58`	`nickgrey147`	`lol`
`22:15.58`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`duh, mencoder segfaults`
`22:16.43`	`gigglet`	`nsadmin, works fine, thank you so much :)`
`22:16.48`	`nsadmin`	`it does?`
`22:16.51`	`nsadmin`	`:)`
`22:17.21`	`nickgrey147`	`nsadmin: can you help me quick you seem super pro :D`
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`22:17.35`	`nsadmin`	`sure does, I can ping you`
`22:18.01`	`nsadmin`	`soup...`
`22:18.07`	`nsadmin`	`hmm, I could use some of that`
`22:18.27`	`nickgrey147`	`why cant i stop x on a single monitor :(`
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`22:19.35`	`nsadmin`	`so someone else has 52, 53, 54?`
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`22:20.13`	`nsadmin`	`someone does NOT know how to do networking properly, and unfortunately, it's your network admin :)`
`22:20.31`	`nsadmin`	`or maybe they just made a simple mistake`
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`22:24.35`	`nsadmin`	`gigglet, just so you know, I got all of those numbers from your address and the netmask (and I made the standard guess for the .49 gw)`
`22:24.48`	`Hawson`	`on a different note, has anyone experimented with the netbook respin on a Vostro A90/Mini 9?`
`22:24.49`	`gigglet`	`nsadmin, okay, thank you :)`
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`22:25.31`	`abrotman`	`Hawson: the what?`
`22:25.50`	`Hawson`	`Dell Vostro A90 (aka Mini 9)`
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`22:26.27`	`acidslep`	`Hello #debian`
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`22:27.04`	`acidslep`	`where can i read about the PCI bus?`
`22:27.15`	`ethanw`	`wikipedia?`
`22:27.33`	`abrotman`	`Hawson: i meant the "remix"`
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`22:28.14`	`Hawson`	`there's a respin for netbooks...`
`22:28.27`	`abrotman`	`URL?`
`22:28.29`	`Hawson`	`I'm wondering if anyone has tried it`
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`22:28.53`	`ethanw`	`nn guys`
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`22:29.31`	`Hawson`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Netbook_Remix`
`22:30.05`	`acidslep`	`Im looking for something along the lines of how the kernel handles the pci bus`
`22:30.09`	`xinming`	`In the old days, I did something like hidd --search for my bluetooth mouse, But I found debian upgraded the bluez package, and hidd command is no longer available, How to do the same as the old hidd --search thing please?`
`22:30.18`	`abrotman`	`Hawson: ask #ubuntu`
`22:30.51`	`Hawson`	`nods`
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`22:30.55`	`nsadmin`	`gigglet btw, your broadcast addr for that net is 76.73.3.55`
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`22:31.07`	`gigglet`	`k`
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`22:33.39`	`acidslep`	`Well, when i add a video card to this machine, the xorg.conf that had worked when that card was not in does not work anymore.`
`22:33.48`	`acidslep`	`What would cause this?`
`22:34.35`	`nsadmin`	`acidslep: pastebin the X log`
`22:34.54`	`nsadmin`	`I forget what it's called exactly, but it should be in /var/log`
`22:35.33`	`nsadmin`	`Xorg.0.log`
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`22:37.21`	`acidslep`	`in a moment, i did not know such a verbose log existed.`
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`22:38.43`	`NavY-Seal`	`abrotman: yes i did use LVM`
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`22:39.52`	`abrotman`	`NavY-Seal: did you try without it just to test?`
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`22:42.16`	`acidslep`	`nsadmin, i reviewed the log and found nothing related to the failing display but the driver being loaded, which went fine. still want me to pastebin it?`
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`22:43.19`	`nsadmin`	`acidslep: well I won't personally be able to review it; have to leave. but it would be helpful to whoever tries.`
`22:43.28`	`nsadmin`	`also pastebin your config file`
`22:43.36`	`acidslep`	`okie`
`22:43.37`	`acidslep`	`thanks`
`22:43.49`	`nsadmin`	`welcome; luck.`
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`22:45.53`	`NavY-Seal`	`abrotman: trying it as we sppeak ... also this time i went with the traditional install`
`22:46.00`	`NavY-Seal`	`not graphic`
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`22:53.08`	`blackbeard2000`	`how do i get the Xorg-module vnc back?`
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`22:54.31`	`blackbeard2000`	`or in which pakage is it for lenny?`
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`22:59.07`	`blackbeard2000`	`or how it possible to export a allready running X-session on :0 with vnc or rdp?`
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`22:59.45`	`agaran`	`blackbeard2000: afaik not`
`23:00.34`	`\amethyst`	`blackbeard2000: x11vnc can do it`
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`23:01.07`	`blackbeard2000`	`it is possible for gnome... it is possible for kde... it is possible with a loaded module "vnc" in xorg.conf... i just dont know how to get this module for lenny because i dont use gnome/kde`
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`23:02.40`	`blackbeard2000`	`\amethyst: do you know if this conflicts with an allready installed xserver? is it still possible to use hardware-acceleration for the x-server on :0?`
`23:02.55`	`TheReal404`	`you are looking for vino-server`
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`23:03.29`	`blackbeard2000`	`TheReal404: vino is for gnome i think`
`23:03.41`	`blackbeard2000`	`or does it work with xfce, too?`
`23:03.52`	`TheReal404`	`what do you want to export ? plain X ?`
`23:04.04`	`blackbeard2000`	`no the allready running screen`
`23:04.24`	`blackbeard2000`	`of the currently attached monitor`
`23:04.50`	`blackbeard2000`	`without hardware-acceleratin limitations :)`
`23:05.06`	`blackbeard2000`	`and no seperate login as with vncserver`
`23:05.15`	`TheReal404`	`i think vino is what you want`
`23:05.20`	`blackbeard2000`	`or better said seperate X`
`23:05.27`	`TheReal404`	`but the separate login will be hard to avoid`
`23:05.36`	`blackbeard2000`	`yes vino IS what i want.. but it is for gnome`
`23:05.39`	`TheReal404`	`in this case, might be ok`
`23:06.01`	`\amethyst`	`blackbeard2000: x11vnc exports an already-running session, like vino does`
`23:06.08`	`\amethyst`	`I have no idea about 3D`
`23:06.10`	`TheReal404`	`vino must work with xfce too`
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`23:06.27`	`\amethyst`	`it shoudln't turn off 3D on the host, but 3D programs might not show up on the remote`
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`23:06.37`	`blackbeard2000`	`hmmm. ok... i will have a look at x11vnc then at vino again`
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`23:07.36`	`blackbeard2000`	`\amethyst: 3d on the remote is not nessesary... i just want to avoid to brak the actual 3d-setup for the physical host`
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`23:07.51`	`blackbeard2000`	`err s/brak/break`
`23:08.30`	`blackbeard2000`	`x11vnc seems to fit... now i just need an howto ;)`
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`23:13.33`	`kristian_`	`hi all - anybody care to help me set up an extended desktop?`
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`23:16.56`	`owen1`	`how to find the video card i have? lshw?`
`23:17.28`	`blackbeard2000`	`ok, found it... http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ its more or less the same as in the readme`
`23:17.39`	`blackbeard2000`	`owen1: lshw, lspci`
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`23:18.04`	`blackbeard2000`	`with -vvv or something maybe`
`23:19.27`	`owen1`	`blackbeard2000: ok. it's nvidia. i am going to buy new one to support 2 monitores. what should i ask for? regular pci card?`
`23:19.36`	`owen1`	`(i don't play games)`
`23:19.42`	`blackbeard2000`	`no clue`
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`23:20.14`	`blackbeard2000`	`matrox was ok for multihead some time ago... but newadays it should work with a lot more`
`23:20.29`	`owen1`	`can i get advice before going to Fry's to buy video card? i need support for 2 monitors and don't play games.`
`23:20.48`	`blackbeard2000`	`google for "xinemara" i think and hardware compatibility`
`23:21.06`	`owen1`	`blackbeard2000: ok`
`23:21.22`	`blackbeard2000`	`and if the open-source-driver or the proprietary works with 3d+xinemara`
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`23:22.00`	`blackbeard2000`	`and then post a howto on howtoforge or something ;)`
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`23:23.01`	`bor0`	`I configured my sound card using alsa-conf and I tried the alsa test and the sound worked .. but when I'm in Gnome I can't hear any sounds and it says that GStreamer doesn't work`
`23:23.05`	`bor0`	`someone help?`
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`23:23.51`	`acidslep`	`ls`
`23:24.00`	`acidslep`	`>< sorry about that`
`23:24.25`	`acidslep`	`bor0, check your mixer levels?`
`23:25.22`	`bor0`	`GStreamer says it has problems detecting audio card`
`23:25.52`	`bor0`	`"not found a plugin that can control your sound"`
`23:25.57`	`acidslep`	`can you tell it where to look?`
`23:26.04`	`acidslep`	`or try another media player, like mplayer`
`23:26.16`	`bor0`	`how do I tell it where to look?`
`23:26.53`	`acidslep`	`check the prefrences`
`23:27.07`	`bor0`	`using gstreamer-properties I get sound`
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`23:31.38`	`acidslep`	`clear`
`23:31.41`	`acidslep`	`fsck!`
`23:31.58`	`agaran`	`ENOLUCK`
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`23:37.36`	`bor0`	`help! I found out what the problem was. when I log in as power user I can hear sound, but when I log in as ordinary it says GStreamer found no plugins. I suspect it's permission (access) problem`
`23:37.56`	`abrotman`	`login as what?`
`23:38.05`	`bor0`	`as an ordinary user I just added`
`23:39.00`	`acidslep`	`yep`
`23:39.05`	`acidslep`	`add that user to the audio group`
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`23:39.19`	`acidslep`	`sorry i did not think of that.`
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`23:40.30`	`bor0`	`thanks - trying reboot now`
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`23:41.43`	`blackbeard2000`	`weee... x11vnc works perfectly... even a little tv-window is possible :)`
`23:41.49`	`blackbeard2000`	`thak you`
`23:41.53`	`blackbeard2000`	`thank`
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`23:42.36`	`bor0`	`it works! thanks again.`
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`23:47.56`	`MrWax`	`how can I make a symlink from file 1 to file 2 with ln -s ?`
`23:48.20`	`JPT`	`ln -s /path/to/original /path/to/link`
`23:48.22`	`JPT`	`i guess...`
`23:48.22`	`PiousMinion`	`Hi, I'm not using apt-pinning at all, but lenny-backports do not install unless I specifically tell apt to install a backport version. Ideas?`
`23:48.39`	`blendmaster1024`	`is away: Gone away for now`
`23:48.56`	`MrWax`	`thanks`
`23:49.00`	`JPT`	`np :)`
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`23:50.07`	`blendmaster1024`	`is away:`
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`23:50.45`	`*** part/#debian cailloumajor (n=chatzill@ANantes-257-1-118-187.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`23:50.47`	`blendmaster1024`	`is back.`
`23:51.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 901] by debhelper`
`23:51.07`	`*** join/#debian saulus_ (n=saulus@c193248.adsl.hansenet.de)`
`23:51.26`	`abrotman`	`!tell blendmaster1024 about away`
`23:52.29`	`blendmaster1024`	`i don't know how to shut off away/back messages for one channel and not the others`
`23:52.38`	`*** join/#debian Sparqzorz (n=sparq@ppp-69-237-90-127.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net)`
`23:53.43`	`*** join/#debian MrMopi_ (n=MrMopi@gateway.multivac.cc)`
`23:53.48`	`*** join/#debian Atchoum (n=christop@ACaen-152-1-55-159.w83-115.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`23:53.59`	`kanon-mat`	`then shut it off for all, those interested will know your presence anyways`
`23:55.11`	`*** part/#debian jaggz- (n=brandon@dsl081-044-035.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net)`
`23:55.13`	`*** join/#debian shepherd (n=shepherd@unaffiliated/shepherd)`
`23:55.29`	`*** join/#debian bookmark (n=bookmark@cpe-24-160-101-200.tampabay.res.rr.com)`
`23:57.19`	`*** join/#debian gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net)`
`23:59.27`	`*** join/#debian ultraj6 (n=user@WS1-DSL-74-215-135-119.fuse.net)`

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