| 00:00.01 | fanti | neur0x: yes. libxfont-dev_1%3a1.4.0-1_amd64.deb from deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib about 3 days ago |
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| 00:00.52 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 00:01.52 | neur0x | then I do not know fanti |
| 00:01.54 | neur0x | sorry |
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| 00:02.27 | johnfg | In order for me to try and get kerberos and ldap working together, I'd like to only run networking, and not network-manager. If I do, update-rc.d -f network-manager remove, can I get it back again if I need too? |
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| 00:02.45 | fanti | neur0x: i checked out the .deb file from /var/cache/apt/archives, it does not contain a file named fontmod.h |
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| 00:03.31 | neur0x | may be a bug in the package for you arquitecture |
| 00:03.32 | neur0x | :S |
| 00:03.40 | wohdfoh | following dpkg's instructions i ran this 'aptitude install module-assistant virtualbox-ose-source && m-a a-i virtualbox-ose && modprobe -r vboxdrv && modprobe vboxdrv' and i got some error messages. one in particular 'FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found' |
| 00:03.50 | neur0x | architecture* |
| 00:04.52 | fanti | neur0x: thx so far. |
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| 00:06.21 | neur0x | np fanti |
| 00:07.40 | SQlvpapir | something in my pxe setup is fscked. I believe ive got something wrong with my servers eth0. could anybody take a look? http://pastebin.com/m5c7d5b5 |
| 00:08.10 | agaran | SQlvpapir: can you reach dhcp/tftp from remote machines? |
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| 00:09.19 | SQlvpapir | agaran: pxe wont work. I've only got these two machines to play with atm |
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| 00:10.03 | agaran | SQlvpapir: hmm, your setup looks similar as mine, and mine works |
| 00:10.12 | agaran | but that require working tftp at 10.0.0.1 too |
| 00:10.37 | SQlvpapir | agaran: I should be able to telnet right in? |
| 00:10.51 | agaran | nope, tftp uses udp (at least for me) |
| 00:11.04 | SQlvpapir | hmm how do I test it then? |
| 00:11.06 | agaran | on remote machine i hope you have linux or something there? or windows? |
| 00:11.08 | agaran | tftp client |
| 00:11.15 | agaran | its available under windows too |
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| 00:11.33 | agaran | but i am affraid i cannot tell how to use it on win.. |
| 00:11.36 | agaran | never tried.. |
| 00:11.53 | SQlvpapir | agaran: I dont have any ms stuff inside these walls :) |
| 00:12.20 | wohdfoh | http://pastebin.com/m7bb3995d |
| 00:12.21 | SQlvpapir | the machine is clean but I guess I can temporarily put tftp client on my mail/web/misc server |
| 00:12.27 | wohdfoh | ignore that |
| 00:12.49 | agaran | SQlvpapir: i don't know what hw you have, for example i migth (if something push me) run some ancient sparc 1 with sunos to check.. |
| 00:13.11 | agaran | and sometimes weeendows are needed.. to check interoperability |
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| 00:17.21 | SQlvpapir | agaran: what broadcast adress do you use? |
| 00:17.42 | agaran | SQlvpapir: /24 prefixlen so x.y.z.255 |
| 00:17.46 | SQlvpapir | any change I could get a copy of your dhcpd.conf? |
| 00:18.08 | agaran | chance? |
| 00:18.18 | SQlvpapir | exactly |
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| 00:24.45 | agaran | SQlvpapir: i was using this page http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/The_Syslinux_Project for configuration, |
| 00:25.11 | agaran | SQlvpapir: http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/PXELINUX basically this page should help you most |
| 00:25.14 | SQlvpapir | agaran: my actual if settings does not match my dhcpd.conf |
| 00:25.37 | SQlvpapir | its basic network problem.. I'm gonna stare at the ifconfig man for a few minutes |
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| 00:26.03 | agaran | i use iproute.. ip adr del ... dev eth0 is easier.. |
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| 00:29.32 | funyun | anyone have any idea why my videos are often out of sync when i split them with avidemux? |
| 00:30.11 | blackbeard2000 | hi. a few questions to tar: Is ist possible to split in about 100MB-chunks?... If yes: is it possible to tar in "about" 100MB-chunks which have whole files in it (not splitted files unless they are >100MB)... If yes: Is it possible to get those files out of one chunk, when the others are lost? |
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| 00:32.11 | funyun | blackbeard2000, if it's anything like rar you should be able to keep broken files |
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| 00:32.31 | blackbeard2000 | i asked about tar not rar |
| 00:32.45 | blackbeard2000 | rar is not GPL |
| 00:32.52 | blackbeard2000 | ;) |
| 00:33.43 | blackbeard2000 | rar isnt even Open-Source AFAIK |
| 00:35.05 | blackbeard2000 | besides that... rar would be good... but i dont know if its possible to extract files, when one has just one of a set of files |
| 00:35.48 | blackbeard2000 | i know there are "mirror-files" in rar... nice... but its rar. |
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| 00:45.01 | StevenMBP | whats the difference between apt-get and aptitude |
| 00:45.14 | StevenMBP | s/difference/relationship |
| 00:45.15 | blackbeard2000 | aptitude is a kind of HUI |
| 00:45.20 | blackbeard2000 | GUI |
| 00:45.21 | StevenMBP | HUI? |
| 00:45.34 | StevenMBP | ive been using aptitude on the CLI without seeing any GUI |
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| 00:45.43 | StevenMBP | like sudo aptitude install apache |
| 00:45.45 | blackbeard2000 | thats the GUI ;) |
| 00:45.53 | StevenMBP | um |
| 00:45.57 | StevenMBP | so what does apt-get do.. nothing? |
| 00:46.01 | StevenMBP | i confused |
| 00:46.17 | blackbeard2000 | yes u can use it on CLI, too... i mean just aptitude |
| 00:46.32 | unop_ | are we redefining GUI here? |
| 00:46.32 | StevenMBP | um |
| 00:46.32 | StevenMBP | im way confused |
| 00:46.36 | blackbeard2000 | a GUI for CLI :) |
| 00:46.44 | unop_ | is not a GUI ? |
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| 00:48.44 | fuuta | debian vs fedora |
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| 00:49.02 | fuuta | which must i choose for a web server? |
| 00:49.26 | blackbeard2000 | openBSD... *cover and duck* |
| 00:49.42 | esonediw | hi |
| 00:49.56 | fuuta | bsd? |
| 00:50.06 | dmoerner | fuuta, whatever you know how to administrate |
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| 00:50.10 | esonediw | does anyone have a working link for terminator salvation SCR (or TS, but I know that's not out yet). Plz. NO CAM, cuz their all terrible. |
| 00:50.40 | esonediw | also |
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| 00:51.00 | esonediw | the one on alt.***.action.****** is fake. be warned |
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| 00:51.26 | blackbeard2000 | #debian is a movie-trading channel? |
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| 00:52.16 | agaran | rather not, unless something changed in last seconds |
| 00:52.59 | fuuta | dmoerner, wanna know which? :) |
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| 00:53.36 | fuuta | lol black |
| 00:53.41 | fuuta | lets trade yeah |
| 00:54.41 | esonediw | someone poasted it on rapidshare lol, but it got taken down in 5 min. |
| 00:55.05 | fuuta | :D |
| 00:55.06 | esonediw | it's not on alt.***.action.******; the other one is also fake, and is full of junk. |
| 00:55.19 | esonediw | where the fuc is it then |
| 00:55.32 | agaran | who cares? dont watch movies, |
| 00:55.35 | esonediw | and why is it not poasted? the SCR i mean |
| 00:55.57 | binrapt | There isn't one duh |
| 00:56.02 | esonediw | agaran: i also don't wipe my butt with toilet paper. i guess we're equals then. |
| 00:56.17 | esonediw | binrapt: uh, no. there was one. i am 100% sure |
| 00:56.22 | ootput | esonediw: wrong channel, buddy |
| 00:56.31 | binrapt | Maybe a P2P release, not scene |
| 00:56.32 | esonediw | ootput: why? |
| 00:56.37 | agaran | esonediw: almost equal, you post on wrong channel.. |
| 00:56.43 | Wicked | troll is obvious.... |
| 00:56.48 | esonediw | what troll? |
| 00:56.51 | ootput | esonediw: move your nose elsewhere |
| 00:57.13 | Wicked | heh. if no one feeds the troll itll die....just /ignore esonediw |
| 00:57.18 | esonediw | if i wanted to troll i would of done it already. im looking for some stuff now guys plz. halp or at least don't diss |
| 00:57.21 | esonediw | :( |
| 00:57.25 | esonediw | peace |
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| 00:57.37 | esonediw | ootput: no yuo. |
| 00:57.42 | binrapt | Hmm what are the main arguments for choosing Debian for a general server? |
| 00:58.07 | ootput | shitlisted |
| 00:58.09 | agaran | Wicked: right |
| 00:58.10 | esonediw | debian is fazt, it manages RAM and pagefile more efficiently and it dosent hang all the time. |
| 00:58.11 | binrapt | I read that Debian packages are frequently the quickest one to be updated when security holes in major services are discovered |
| 00:58.12 | esonediw | :)) |
| 00:58.17 | Dewi | binrapt: it's generally good :P |
| 00:58.34 | Wicked | binrapt, its stable and not bloated(if set up right) |
| 00:58.41 | Dewi | binrapt: like, really, if you want something general and versatile and tidy, debian is it |
| 00:58.53 | Gnurdux | binrapt, but they are the slowest to be updated in almost every other circumstance :( |
| 00:58.53 | binrapt | Which distros would you consider "bloated", for example? |
| 00:59.03 | binrapt | Gnurdux really? Why is that? |
| 00:59.06 | Wicked | yup. debian is great platform...for pretty much all your needs |
| 00:59.10 | Gnurdux | binrapt, same reason |
| 00:59.15 | Gnurdux | debian values stability |
| 00:59.19 | binrapt | Ok |
| 00:59.26 | Gnurdux | so they stick to the tried and true |
| 00:59.39 | Gnurdux | so something will be in unstable before its in testing |
| 00:59.47 | Gnurdux | for about a week |
| 00:59.56 | Gnurdux | and testing freezes several months before a stable release |
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| 01:01.15 | blackbeard2000 | argh... there is no #backup |
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| 01:01.34 | blackbeard2000 | i still have no clue how to archive my files |
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| 01:02.06 | jpinx-eeepc | blackbeard2000: rsync and tar |
| 01:02.23 | blackbeard2000 | with splitted chinks |
| 01:02.27 | blackbeard2000 | chunks |
| 01:02.35 | agaran | tar can split |
| 01:02.44 | blackbeard2000 | wher every chunk can be dearchived |
| 01:02.50 | rvalles | binrapt: there's a different issue when they're undiscovered tho |
| 01:02.50 | Gnurdux | btw |
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| 01:02.53 | Gnurdux | since a recent upgrade |
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| 01:02.59 | Gnurdux | xorg has been using huge amounts of CPU |
| 01:03.02 | rvalles | binrapt: (openssh mess... was too much) |
| 01:03.04 | blackbeard2000 | if one bit of a tar-archive is broken, the whole tar-achive is broken |
| 01:03.20 | Gnurdux | a constant usage of about 10%, 100% when scrolling in firefox |
| 01:03.31 | jpinx-eeepc | blackbeard2000: then just rsync to somewhere |
| 01:03.44 | rvalles | blackbeard: tar stops untarring |
| 01:03.51 | rvalles | but other than that, it's not "the whole thing is broken" |
| 01:03.54 | rvalles | only that part is |
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| 01:04.03 | jpinx-eeepc | blackbeard2000: if you don't like tar - don't use it ;) |
| 01:04.08 | rvalles | if you want to resist bitrot |
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| 01:04.18 | rvalles | you should be using something else |
| 01:04.24 | blackbeard2000 | jpinx-eeepc: and compressed... and encrypted (with encrypted filenames) |
| 01:04.24 | rvalles | which provides redundacy |
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| 01:04.34 | rvalles | 7z? |
| 01:04.41 | rvalles | no idea if it does redundacy tho |
| 01:04.41 | blackbeard2000 | i like tar... it just doesnt suits |
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| 01:04.55 | jpinx-eeepc | blackbeard2000: aptitude search archive encrytpion |
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| 01:05.02 | rvalles | uses LZMA by default which is way nicer than the usual |
| 01:05.07 | rvalles | (bzip2) |
| 01:05.16 | rvalles | compresses more, less cpu intensive |
| 01:05.16 | blackbeard2000 | and be useable in windows, too (sick) |
| 01:05.34 | rvalles | .. and supports cyphering files with AES IIRC |
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| 01:05.43 | rvalles | (and maybe you can choose, but no idea) |
| 01:05.50 | rvalles | anyways, back to my work... |
| 01:06.04 | blackbeard2000 | the cypher part i could do with gpg afterwards, wehn the chunks are meda... same for comprsssoin |
| 01:06.15 | blackbeard2000 | chunks are made |
| 01:06.26 | rvalles | gpg not a good idea |
| 01:06.34 | blackbeard2000 | gpg -c |
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| 01:06.47 | rvalles | unless you absolutelly need pubkey crypto |
| 01:06.48 | blackbeard2000 | why not gpg? |
| 01:06.54 | rvalles | makes your files bigger. |
| 01:07.01 | esonediw | hello |
| 01:07.07 | rvalles | unlike aes and the like that encrypt but keep them same size. |
| 01:07.08 | blackbeard2000 | size is not that matter |
| 01:07.16 | esonediw | HELLO PSST. terminator salvation TS or SCR <----- ANYONE HAEV!?!1 |
| 01:07.37 | rvalles | why would you want a crap movie? |
| 01:07.44 | rvalles | go watch something good for once. |
| 01:08.01 | blackbeard2000 | rvalles : no pubkey crypto... gpg -c... -c for conventional passphrase |
| 01:08.39 | rvalles | you're right (manpage) |
| 01:08.43 | rvalles | didn't know gpg did that |
| 01:08.59 | rvalles | what algos does it use tho? |
| 01:09.13 | rvalles | being gpg, I doubt it defaults to sth weak anyways |
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| 01:10.48 | ootput | er, excuse that |
| 01:10.52 | blackbeard2000 | ok, besides the crypto... about crypto i think later... i want an archive, which spits into 100MB-chunks without the risk of failing to dearchive, when one or more chunks are vroken. the remaining good chunks should still be dearchiveable |
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| 01:11.12 | blackbeard2000 | broken |
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| 01:11.26 | rvalles | you want redundacy |
| 01:11.36 | user_corrupt_ | i just installed latest debian (5.0.1) is this "Lenny"? |
| 01:12.10 | rvalles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_archivers#Archiver_features |
| 01:12.22 | rvalles | I suppose they call it "file repairing" |
| 01:12.24 | blackbeard2000 | rvalles: there i am allready |
| 01:12.36 | rvalles | rar is the one that afaik is popular because of that feature |
| 01:13.05 | rvalles | see note 3 |
| 01:13.16 | rvalles | the others probably just "unpack what can be unpacked" but don't really repair shit |
| 01:13.24 | blackbeard2000 | i dont want repairing... just those chunks which are not broken should decompress and dearchive (when the files inide it are small enough... for big files this doesnt work |
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| 01:13.50 | blackbeard2000 | yes... rar has the mirror-chunks |
| 01:13.52 | rvalles | 7z is probably good enough on that matter |
| 01:14.17 | blackbeard2000 | 7z needs the whole archive not broken, too |
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| 01:15.47 | rvalles | blackbeard2000: you sure about that? |
| 01:16.04 | esonediw | HELLO PSST. terminator salvation TS or SCR <----- ANYONE HAEV!?!1 |
| 01:16.11 | rvalles | blackbeard2000: 7-Zip has the ability to unpack archives with corrupted filenames, renaming the files as required. |
| 01:16.16 | rvalles | says wp 7-zip article |
| 01:16.30 | rvalles | which makes me assume it will unpack whatever can be unpacked no matter what |
| 01:16.47 | rvalles | and certainly won't crap out due to a bit flip :P |
| 01:17.25 | esonediw | HELLO PSST. terminator salvation TS or SCR <----- ANYONE HAEV!?!1!! heloo???????????? |
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| 01:17.35 | esonediw | wots wrong wit u guyz |
| 01:17.44 | gauge | g'day gentelmen |
| 01:17.50 | Shinu | slaps esonediw around a bit with a large trout |
| 01:17.52 | Shinu | GTFO |
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| 01:18.05 | Shinu | I arleady gave you a site so you would, now buzz off |
| 01:18.13 | gauge | I need to install an Nvidia package, and it's requestign that I not be runnning an X server. |
| 01:18.20 | funyun | noob here. when trying to install kmec i get this http://pastie.org/488606 does anyone know whats wrong? |
| 01:18.28 | esonediw | Shinu: piss off |
| 01:18.32 | gauge | is there an easy method to acheive htis? |
| 01:18.39 | Shinu | esonediw: NO U |
| 01:18.40 | Shinu | <3 |
| 01:18.58 | esonediw | HELLO PSST. terminator salvation TS or SCR <----- ANYONE HAEV!?!1!! ok pleas. gimme |
| 01:19.02 | blackbeard2000 | what i really want is something like this: 1.) archive and compress a filesystem until 100MB of the archived file are written... 2.) store this file as 001.tar.gz for example... If a file should be archived, which doesnt fit compressed in 100MB.. split it in 002-split001.tar.gz... if it fits go on with 002.tar.gz... 3.) every of those files (besides the spited ones) should be dearchiveable without the other files. |
| 01:19.13 | gauge | esonediw: mininova |
| 01:19.24 | gauge | one just came up a few hours ago. |
| 01:19.34 | gauge | 5/10 V 6/10 A |
| 01:19.52 | gauge | So. X. I need to kill it. |
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| 01:20.40 | blackbeard2000 | but ok, yes... rar and redundancy should be enough... but i dont want the easy-way ;) |
| 01:20.56 | esonediw | gauge: they are all CAMs |
| 01:21.02 | esonediw | not even TS :[ |
| 01:21.51 | funyun | esonediw: scenetorrents.org |
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| 01:22.46 | esonediw | funyun: need invite :( |
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| 01:24.44 | nmh_j2graw | blackbeard2000: have you tried using tar to create a multi-volume archive with a tape-length of 100MB? |
| 01:24.59 | blackbeard2000 | the other problem i see is: the rar-archivation algorythm is not GPL nor open-source... 7z would be GPL but is too young (in my eyes)... zip is old and everywhere.. tar an gz is old and useable everywhere, too |
| 01:25.08 | creative2bad | are there any known issues with openssl and lenny? i generated a certificate self-signed to use with proftpd, however, when trying to connect to the server i get : error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number |
| 01:25.16 | creative2bad | does anyone have any insight? |
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| 01:25.33 | creative2bad | its openssl 0.9.8g out of apt-get |
| 01:25.41 | esonediw | HELLO PSST. terminator salvation TS or SCR <----- ANYONE HAEV!?!1!! ok pleas. gimme |
| 01:25.52 | creative2bad | lol |
| 01:25.59 | blackbeard2000 | nmh_j2graw: tar has a big diadvantage, that if one bit of the archive is broken, the whole archive is broken |
| 01:26.01 | nmh_j2graw | esonediw: please go look for your illegal media somewhere else |
| 01:26.14 | stew | aq esonediw |
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| 01:26.32 | nmh_j2graw | blackbeard2000: you mean one of the volumes? or one part of one volume? |
| 01:26.39 | nmh_j2graw | cheers stew |
| 01:26.53 | blackbeard2000 | one of the volumes i assume |
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| 01:28.49 | funyun | noob here. when trying to install kmec i get this http://pastie.org/488606 does anyone know whats wrong? |
| 01:29.01 | blackbeard2000 | i think i just have to use rar on windows... :( it has the security, mirror-archive which tar lacks |
| 01:29.24 | blackbeard2000 | decompression should be doable in linux, too then |
| 01:29.36 | nmh_j2graw | what is mirror-archive? |
| 01:30.21 | IamSOG | I am wondering if ETCH and Lenny comes with the same build in packages and stuff ? |
| 01:30.47 | blackbeard2000 | a kind of "spare"-archive.. in multi-parts-archives... when one part is broken it can be reconstructed with the mirror-part... wehen two parts are broken one need two mirror-parts |
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| 01:31.13 | nmh_j2graw | I think a more annoying problem is that you would have to write a script to deal with the filenames of the multiple volumes |
| 01:31.17 | blackbeard2000 | some kind of raid for archiving ;) |
| 01:31.28 | nmh_j2graw | ooc, what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 01:31.43 | blackbeard2000 | archiving |
| 01:31.51 | blackbeard2000 | in 100MB chunks |
| 01:31.55 | blackbeard2000 | compressed |
| 01:31.55 | IamSOG | I am wondering if ETCH and Lenny comes with the same build in packages and stuff ? I felt like to my Lenny have things missing? or maybe I have installed in ETCH so I forgot :o |
| 01:31.58 | nmh_j2graw | why 100mb chunks? |
| 01:32.06 | blackbeard2000 | becouse i want it |
| 01:32.11 | nmh_j2graw | and why not use a backup/archive tool to do this? |
| 01:32.17 | ootput | funyun: that error message is pretty self-explanatory |
| 01:32.26 | blackbeard2000 | could be 500MB, too.. but i like 100 for uploading |
| 01:32.46 | ootput | funyun: how exactly are you installing kmec? |
| 01:32.50 | ootput | whatever the hell that is |
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| 01:33.01 | blackbeard2000 | and _which_ backup/archive-tool? |
| 01:33.07 | funyun | ootput: make install |
| 01:33.15 | blackbeard2000 | (which works on linux+windows?) |
| 01:33.38 | nmh_j2graw | how about bacula? |
| 01:33.57 | ootput | funyun: you're using debian? do you have the kdelibs package installed? |
| 01:33.58 | nmh_j2graw | though I think it may be more complex than what you want right now, it should automate much of the work |
| 01:34.12 | nmh_j2graw | (I am looking around for some others that I have seen) |
| 01:34.16 | funyun | ootput: i don't think so. should i? |
| 01:34.18 | blackbeard2000 | and is old enough that i trust it will exist a long time later on actual os. yes i could archive the archive-tool, too) |
| 01:34.27 | Arrowmaster | blackbeard2000: you could use par2 for the rebuilding |
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| 01:34.44 | blackbeard2000 | Arrowmaster: didnt heard of that |
| 01:34.54 | ootput | funyun: yes |
| 01:35.09 | blackbeard2000 | checksums? |
| 01:35.11 | Arrowmaster | blackbeard2000: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par2 |
| 01:35.37 | blackbeard2000 | dont know, how this could help me here |
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| 01:35.47 | nmh_j2graw | did you look at what it does? |
| 01:36.00 | Arrowmaster | ive seen it used with multifile rar's a lot |
| 01:36.21 | Arrowmaster | its an advanced parity and rebuilding system |
| 01:36.29 | funyun | ootput: i installed it. now i'm getting this http://pastie.org/488606 |
| 01:36.46 | blackbeard2000 | ok, this would give some redundancy |
| 01:36.58 | ootput | funyun: how did you install kde? |
| 01:37.04 | blackbeard2000 | but it is not a "useable" archiving tool.. as i see |
| 01:37.14 | nmh_j2graw | for backup software, you might consider dar, mondo, dervish |
| 01:37.21 | funyun | ootput: aptitude install kdelibs |
| 01:37.22 | ootput | funyun: are you sure you built 'kmenc15' properly? |
| 01:37.35 | blackbeard2000 | useable in windos, too |
| 01:37.36 | ootput | funyun: that it doesn't exist is a pretty solid kick in the right direction |
| 01:37.38 | nmh_j2graw | I think dar is simplest, while the others are more for continually backing up a system |
| 01:37.43 | ootput | funyun: no, I asked about kde |
| 01:37.59 | Arrowmaster | blackbeard2000: right its only a way to add redundancy, but it works in windows fine |
| 01:38.01 | nmh_j2graw | is mingw or cygwin okay, or do you want native? |
| 01:38.29 | blackbeard2000 | argh.. native please :) |
| 01:38.47 | blackbeard2000 | windows is bad enough.. i dont want to install cygwin first |
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| 01:39.09 | funyun | ootput: i see. i skipped the make step. when i do that i get this http://pastie.org/488606 |
| 01:39.21 | nmh_j2graw | fwiw, I have found cygwin to be much less painful than plain microsoft... |
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| 01:39.30 | ootput | funyun: why are you building from source? |
| 01:39.36 | ootput | what convinced you to do so? |
| 01:39.52 | funyun | ootput: the website |
| 01:40.07 | nmh_j2graw | from what you have said, I think http://dar.linux.free.fr/ might be worth checking out |
| 01:40.17 | blackbeard2000 | nmh_j2graw: but ist not a "lets look into the archive and decompress one file"-tool |
| 01:40.35 | ootput | funyun: kmenc is available as a package from marillat's repository |
| 01:41.03 | nmh_j2graw | with 100mb volumes - why would you care? |
| 01:41.06 | ootput | funyun: look into it. stop fielding questions about commands when you don't at least try to understand the error output |
| 01:41.07 | funyun | ootput: that i did not know |
| 01:41.13 | blackbeard2000 | nmh_j2graw: i will look at it |
| 01:41.36 | blackbeard2000 | nmh_j2graw: care? i dont want to install cygwin to look into an archive |
| 01:42.11 | funyun | ootput: okay, well how do i get this from "marillat"? |
| 01:42.40 | ootput | funyun: the internet abounds in information |
| 01:42.51 | nmh_j2graw | sorry, I thought you were talking about dar. It looks to me that you can get a microsoft binary for dar - no cygwin required (but I am not certain). Also, you may be able to look for a file a la tar with it - but again, I don't know. |
| 01:43.11 | funyun | ootput: yes, i googled kmenc and marillat and didn't find anything |
| 01:43.32 | ootput | funyun: your eyes deceive you |
| 01:43.48 | ootput | funyun: it's safe to ask the rest of the channel |
| 01:44.06 | funyun | ootput: check it out. kmenc marillat |
| 01:44.12 | blackbeard2000 | and as said... i dont know, what dar uses... but i dont want a tool, which is not old.. or uses no old mechanisms |
| 01:44.18 | funyun | ootput: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=kmenc+marillat&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 01:44.21 | nmh_j2graw | separate from dar, bacula runs a bunch of server processes and databases and all that jazz - it may be too heavy for what you want, but it keeps track of files and volumes and versions, iirc. You should be able to both backup a microsoft system and look for individual files with the microsoft clients. |
| 01:44.40 | blackbeard2000 | i want something like tar... which is old and will getting really older |
| 01:44.46 | nmh_j2graw | I would worry less about age and more about reliability/testing/design/source availablility |
| 01:45.06 | blackbeard2000 | i dont want to trust in something, which i cant use in 10 years |
| 01:45.24 | nmh_j2graw | if you have the source, why will not NOT be able to use it in 10 years? |
| 01:45.36 | ootput | funyun: silly goose |
| 01:45.52 | blackbeard2000 | sometimes source dont compile on actual systems |
| 01:45.59 | nmh_j2graw | (I would like to commend forward thinking of worrying about data longevity) |
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| 01:47.19 | nmh_j2graw | blackbeard2000: are you trying to backup parts of a linux system and then look at the backups with a microsoft system? |
| 01:47.26 | Akuw | any way to put linux on USB flash drive? |
| 01:47.45 | creative2bad | are there any known issues with openssl and lenny? i generated a certificate self-signed to use with proftpd, however, when trying to connect to the server i get : error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number |
| 01:47.47 | nmh_j2graw | Akuw: yes |
| 01:47.50 | creative2bad | its openssl 0.9.8g out of apt-get |
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| 01:48.08 | funyun | ootput: how do i get kmenc from marillat? |
| 01:48.15 | nmh_j2graw | creative2bad: have you tried self generated certs with other programs? |
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| 01:48.33 | blackbeard2000 | for example: several years ago i archived some things on windows with a tool which did steganography encryption... this tool is dead now and i cant find anyone, with which i can decrypt.. i never will make such an foult again |
| 01:48.33 | creative2bad | i've tried it with pure-ftpd and proftpd, each fail |
| 01:48.41 | creative2bad | :/ |
| 01:48.52 | Theoden | http://67.188.51.141/jajuk.png |
| 01:49.37 | nmh_j2graw | blackbeard2000: wow, that sucks - do you have the source for the tool? |
| 01:49.41 | ootput | funyun: now please try to work it out yourself |
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| 01:50.10 | blackbeard2000 | nmh_j2graw: to be honest: no i want do backup part of a windows-system and it should be possible to look and extract the archive on linux, too (in ten years as worst case) |
| 01:50.25 | blackbeard2000 | nmh_j2graw: no source... propietary |
| 01:50.26 | funyun | ootput: would installing kde be easier than getting kmenc from marillat? |
| 01:51.09 | ootput | funyun: your call |
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| 01:52.30 | funyun | ootput: i've just completely installed kde and i'm still getting the same error |
| 01:52.33 | Akuw | ?? |
| 01:52.46 | Akuw | i try dsl but have some problems |
| 01:52.47 | ootput | funyun: i really stopped caring a while ago |
| 01:53.24 | funyun | ootput: why dude? |
| 01:53.28 | blackbeard2000 | and thats, why i would like a solution with gzip/bzip2.. maybe bash-scripts... zip... things which will be useable in ten years, too |
| 01:53.54 | blackbeard2000 | maybe rar... but rar has its disatvantages |
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| 01:54.59 | Akaji | dpkg o |
| 01:54.59 | dpkg | well, o is OH! |
| 01:55.57 | nmh_j2graw | blackbeard2000: well, you can do something with tar format archives (but you would need to do work to get the 100mb volume size with names). You could use backup software like bacula (or mondo, areca). I think that a reasonable project would be more likely to work in 10 years (or have a migration option) than something thrown together - but your situation may be different. |
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| 01:56.20 | nmh_j2graw | blackbeard2000: in case it is not sufficiently obvious, I do not care for rar (on any platform) |
| 01:56.51 | funyun | can anyone help me install kmenc? it seems to have stumped me and ootput. when i try "make" i get this http://pastie.org/488606 |
| 01:57.31 | nmh_j2graw | so checking some of the docs, bacula has a non-standard file format (not tar, not dump, ...), but it has simple tools to pull the data out of the backups if required. |
| 01:59.09 | blackbeard2000 | i will have to so some tests... either rar or something with tar/zip... as i see at the moment 7z has the option to tar/zip, too and there is a split option... unfortunately it doesnt has tar.gz |
| 01:59.35 | nmh_j2graw | you could tar, and then gzip after the fact |
| 02:00.03 | funyun | blackbeard2000: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 02:00.36 | blackbeard2000 | yes. and then some redundancy and/or not so big tar-archives (splitting the tar-command to different folders) |
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| 02:01.55 | blackbeard2000 | funyun: backup... securely... and for a long life in the worst case |
| 02:02.13 | funyun | blackbeard2000: why not just use rar? |
| 02:02.43 | Akaji | guyz, plz a n00b question: how to save a multitab and multiwindow session in iceweasel?? |
| 02:03.06 | blackbeard2000 | nevermind... i have to test now... thanks nmh_j2graw for your patience and tips! |
| 02:03.10 | nmh_j2graw | Akaji: sessionmanager |
| 02:03.13 | Akaji | multiwindow especially |
| 02:03.17 | nmh_j2graw | blackbeard2000: anytime - good luck! |
| 02:03.28 | Akaji | an add-on nmh_j2graw ?? |
| 02:03.36 | nmh_j2graw | Akaji: session manager |
| 02:03.38 | nmh_j2graw | yes |
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| 02:04.03 | blackbeard2000 | funyun: scroll back, why i have concerns about rar. the archive-algorythm is not GPL not open-source.. neither the encryption-implementation |
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| 02:04.13 | bookmark | yo! |
| 02:04.18 | bookmark | how yalls? |
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| 02:04.44 | bookmark | does anyone knows.....is there a way to tell the device you are currently residing in? |
| 02:04.47 | bookmark | block device |
| 02:05.24 | nmh_j2graw | bookmark: check with mount/mtab and pwd? |
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| 02:05.40 | bookmark | like for instance, say you have an mmc card in the slot but you're not sure if it is mounted |
| 02:06.05 | bookmark | can you mount a directory that has files already in it? |
| 02:06.17 | bookmark | nevermind that is irrelevent |
| 02:06.27 | bookmark | hmmm mount /mtab? |
| 02:06.32 | bookmark | what's that? pwd? |
| 02:06.58 | bookmark | print working directoy |
| 02:07.14 | bookmark | they need like cwdevice |
| 02:07.31 | nmh_j2graw | bookmark: I will point out that I have seen some weirdness when I have deleted a directory out from under a shell - not totally unexpected, but sometimes I forget what is going on |
| 02:07.38 | nmh_j2graw | bookmark: what are you trying to do, ooc? |
| 02:08.05 | Akaji | how to install session manager plz nmh_j2graw ? |
| 02:08.27 | Akaji | there is a debian package? |
| 02:08.29 | nmh_j2graw | Akaji: download from https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2324 |
| 02:08.37 | nmh_j2graw | tell firefox to install it |
| 02:08.39 | Akaji | no debian? |
| 02:08.39 | bookmark | i have my mmc card in the slot and sometimes i'm messing with what looks like its files, but nothing gets written. |
| 02:08.57 | nmh_j2graw | I mean, tell iceweasel to install it |
| 02:08.58 | Akaji | froma gui? |
| 02:09.01 | bookmark | so i'd like to know when i'm actually on it or what or on my harddrive |
| 02:09.05 | nmh_j2graw | bookmark: do you cleanly unmount it ? (is it mounted when you do stuff to the files?) |
| 02:09.11 | Akaji | from gui? nmh_j2graw o.O |
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| 02:09.26 | bookmark | i guess the best thing is to just put it in my fstab and then just umount and mount the dir |
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| 02:09.32 | bookmark | that way i know whats up |
| 02:09.44 | bookmark | its a bitch to type in the command its so long hahaha |
| 02:09.46 | nmh_j2graw | bookmark: I would suggest mountint it somewhere obvious, like /mnt (with it being an empty directory) and then you can tell if it is mounted by the presence of files there or not |
| 02:10.17 | nmh_j2graw | bookmark: you can set it up to automount (and maybe easily unmount), yes (and I think that is a good idea) |
| 02:10.33 | nmh_j2graw | Akaji: go to the url, download the file |
| 02:11.00 | nmh_j2graw | Akaji: in iceweasel, file->open file -> (select the downloaded xpi) |
| 02:11.04 | nmh_j2graw | or something like that |
| 02:12.18 | Akaji | yes nmh_j2graw it works by install by click on the website!!! |
| 02:12.26 | Akaji | great |
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| 02:14.24 | bookmark | is there a decent way to build data dvds via command line? |
| 02:14.35 | bookmark | like simple stuff not virtual |
| 02:14.51 | bookmark | just i had a directory that is 4.3 gigs and i want a dvd |
| 02:14.54 | funyun | ootput: i figured it out. it went right over our heads. "aptitude install kmenc15" |
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| 02:17.27 | MikhailGorbachev | Is Debian compatible with the use of software patents? |
| 02:18.44 | bookmark | pretty much |
| 02:19.27 | MikhailGorbachev | Okay, what about software that infringes on software patents? |
| 02:20.02 | bookmark | the gpl only has to be included with sofware using the code from gpl projects, not that was simply made with gpl projects as tools |
| 02:20.39 | bookmark | like if you run the linux kernel system calls in the building of something that does not make your "something" gpl and you can still sell it under any license you want |
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| 02:21.41 | bookmark | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.txt |
| 02:21.47 | bookmark | you can read all about it right here |
| 02:24.15 | blackbeard2000 | bookmark : for your DVD-from-commandline-question: there are several commandline-commands to archive this... a simple commandline-"GUI is: mybashburn |
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| 02:24.49 | jrdave | hi guys, whats the best VRML 2.0 viewer under debian? |
| 02:26.08 | bookmark | thanks dude |
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| 02:32.43 | gauge | yo, I need to install this nvidia package, and it's whining about X being open. |
| 02:32.57 | CrUX | Hello |
| 02:32.58 | gauge | yet every tiem I kill X, I get forwarded bac kto an X login prompt |
| 02:33.00 | CrUX | ;) |
| 02:33.19 | gauge | Any ideas on how I can go X-less ,and run this install fro ma cli? |
| 02:33.34 | bookmark | These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If |
| 02:33.34 | bookmark | identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, |
| 02:33.34 | bookmark | and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in |
| 02:33.34 | bookmark | themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those |
| 02:33.34 | bookmark | sections when you distribute them as separate works.These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If |
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| 02:34.04 | bookmark | sections when you distribute them as separate works. |
| 02:34.57 | bookmark | basically if you write something that has no linux code in it, you can sell that thing provided that anyone wants to buy it and you can even control dev kits for it |
| 02:35.01 | bookmark | selling those |
| 02:35.03 | bookmark | if you would like |
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| 02:36.42 | gauge | So, installing nvidia in cli.... |
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| 02:37.01 | jrdave | Im trying to open this WRL file, and Im looking for VRML 2.0 file viewer under debian, any suggestions guys? |
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| 02:43.34 | nmh_j2graw | jrdave: have you already seen http://wiki.debian.org/VRML ? |
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| 02:44.45 | jrdave | nmh_j2graw: I just did, thanks |
| 02:45.00 | nmh_j2graw | jrdave: I hope it helped... |
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| 02:45.17 | gauge | alright I'm at he end of my rope here. Everytime Ikill my xsesion, I goes right bakc to the fancy-assed login screen. |
| 02:45.28 | gauge | Please. Killing X. How do I do it? |
| 02:45.41 | nmh_j2graw | gauge: stop xdm,gdm,kdm or whatever |
| 02:45.47 | nmh_j2graw | get yourself a console |
| 02:45.56 | nmh_j2graw | or just reboot into runlevel 2 (or somesuch) |
| 02:46.08 | gauge | I tried. |
| 02:46.18 | gauge | it relaunches the login screen. |
| 02:46.24 | gauge | thats why I'm here askign for help. |
| 02:46.26 | nmh_j2graw | you tried what? |
| 02:47.00 | gauge | stop is not installed. |
| 02:47.14 | NiLoni | hammertime! |
| 02:47.15 | gauge | but I've tried eerythign else it seems to kil lthe .xsesion |
| 02:47.39 | nmh_j2graw | do you know how to get a console? |
| 02:47.46 | gauge | yeah. |
| 02:48.05 | jrdave | nmh_j2graw: I found 'whitedune' |
| 02:48.29 | user_corrupt_ | Im pretty new to linux, and I want to install package "zoneminder" on my new debian install....I did a search in synaptic for zoneminder but nothing came up...I have downloaded the source code for zoneminder package, and I am wondering if my next step should be to manually make sure that I have every dependancy installed using synaptic...does that sound correct? |
| 02:48.30 | nmh_j2graw | jrdave: (I don't know much about vrml and that stuff, but I think it is cool) - is whitedune good for you? |
| 02:48.35 | jmoncayo | gauge: ps waux | grep gdm; kill id |
| 02:48.59 | jrdave | nmh_j2graw: I just find it hard to believe that thats the only decent app under linux! |
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| 02:49.16 | Arafangion | Hey guys, with respect to networking... |
| 02:49.18 | nmh_j2graw | jrdave: ooc, have you heard of caveurt? |
| 02:49.52 | Arafangion | The theory and practice for networking desktops is very, very well established and despite how Windows does it, networking in a Unix environment is a solved problem. |
| 02:49.59 | nmh_j2graw | hmm... lets pretend I can spell: http://planetjeff.net/ut/CaveUT.html |
| 02:50.00 | Arafangion | However... How should I manage my laptop? |
| 02:50.00 | jrdave | nmh_j2graw: hmm.. I think I did, is that available under debian repos? |
| 02:50.17 | nmh_j2graw | jrdave: I don't think so |
| 02:50.23 | nmh_j2graw | (but I could be wrong) |
| 02:50.29 | gauge | No. It just relaunches - oh nice. now the X screen is broken. |
| 02:50.37 | gauge | jmoncayo: that code was garbage. |
| 02:50.46 | Arafangion | (It is constantly out of sync, and a naive rsync isn't neccessarily sufficient because I might have work on the laptop, or the desktop, and I have multiple git repos on both) |
| 02:50.49 | gauge | it not only restated X, but broke hte logi nwindow. |
| 02:50.54 | jrdave | nmh_j2graw: os is that a project of some sort (at a Kentucky Uni) |
| 02:51.02 | jrdave | nmh_j2graw: or is* |
| 02:51.04 | gauge | be proud of yourself. |
| 02:51.28 | nmh_j2graw | jrdave: last I heart it is a project up at a pittsburgh u |
| 02:52.06 | jrdave | nmh_j2graw: I see |
| 02:52.17 | nmh_j2graw | gauge: have you tried anything along the lines of these: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-stop-x-server-396169/ |
| 02:52.38 | jmoncayo | gauge: it kills X, and doesnt relaunch the fancy X login screen |
| 02:52.39 | bookmark | hey what program burns isos? |
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| 02:52.51 | bookmark | cdrdao? |
| 02:53.47 | pickcoder | how can I force a package to be removed even if the postinst and postrm scripts are b0rked |
| 02:53.53 | nmh_j2graw | bookmark: k3b, x-cd-roast |
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| 02:54.05 | nmh_j2graw | cdrecord |
| 02:54.20 | bookmark | can it handle dvd isos? |
| 02:54.24 | nmh_j2graw | pickcoder: tell dpkg to force? |
| 02:54.26 | Arafangion | is considering unison. |
| 02:54.29 | gauge | I think Igot it... |
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| 02:54.37 | nmh_j2graw | bookmark: maybe? try it and let us know! |
| 02:54.44 | gauge | It was a matter of restarting and opening a new term before logging in. |
| 02:54.52 | gauge | and killing both gdm pids. |
| 02:57.12 | gauge | frig. aplright now I need to install the kernel-source. |
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| 03:07.21 | umarzuki | hi all |
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| 03:08.51 | umarzuki | -l |
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| 03:47.48 | Arafangion | Hey, how does one set up a dhcp server for one NIC, but use dhcp for the other? |
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| 03:49.56 | stuNNed | Arafangion: man 5 interfaces |
| 03:51.00 | Arafangion | stuNNed: How would that interact with network-manager? |
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| 03:52.06 | stuNNed | Arafangion: network-manager is client only iirc |
| 03:52.37 | stuNNed | Arafangion: you might not want to use that if you are going to run a DHCP server on one of the interfaces or just use network-manager for that one interface that is dhcp-client based |
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| 03:53.02 | Arafangion | stuNNed: I suppose I might as well uninstall network manager. |
| 03:53.35 | stuNNed | Arafangion: i think it's best for laptops |
| 03:53.41 | stuNNed | or roaming connectivity |
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| 03:54.38 | Arafangion | stuNNed: I agree. |
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| 03:55.12 | Arafangion | stuNNed: But at the same time, I do wish that I could have a system setup without any fuss, just clicking on "Share this interface using that interface" and be done with it. |
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| 03:55.48 | Arafangion | stuNNed: Infact, I'm tempted to just use another switch, but that costs money. :) |
| 03:56.04 | stuNNed | Arafangion: it should be easy enough once network-manager is gone |
| 03:56.08 | stuNNed | i would think |
| 03:56.22 | wohdfoh | i was trying to install a package and i'm getting this message from aptitude. does this mean that i cannot install this package? http://pastebin.com/m4009812c |
| 03:56.45 | Arafangion | stuNNed: Well, yes, the basic networking is trivial once that's gone, however, I'll then have to setup routing. |
| 03:57.14 | stuNNed | wohdfoh: what does apt-get say? |
| 03:57.33 | wohdfoh | i always use aptitude |
| 03:57.33 | stuNNed | Arafangion: easy enough with iptables and NAT |
| 03:57.44 | Arafangion | stuNNed: I dont' actually know iptables. Know of a good tute? |
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| 03:57.56 | creative2bad | why does my quad core xeon always sit for like 30 secoinds in ./configure looking at mktime ? |
| 03:57.57 | stuNNed | wohdfoh: not go ahead with it just what does it *tell* you? :) |
| 03:58.09 | Arafangion | stuNNed: In the past I've used shorewall, but I've become increasonly wary of complicating my setup with unneccessary software. |
| 03:58.36 | wohdfoh | stuNNed: http://pastebin.com/m4009812c |
| 03:58.38 | stuNNed | Arafangion: i've always found the best at the official iptables site |
| 03:59.02 | stuNNed | Arafangion: http://www.netfilter.org/ |
| 03:59.15 | Arafangion | Thanks. :) |
| 03:59.20 | stuNNed | Arafangion: np good luck |
| 03:59.49 | Arafangion | stuNNed: It should be easy enough, I'm not worried, the main issue I have is that I don't feel like doing admin. |
| 03:59.59 | Arafangion | These days I rarely feel like doing it. |
| 04:00.07 | stuNNed | wohdfoh: what is the equivalent in aptitude for apt-get -f install? might want to try that |
| 04:00.20 | stuNNed | Arafangion: once it's done it's done :) |
| 04:00.48 | Arafangion | stuNNed: Well, yes, but I'd rather work on my rrobots competition. ;) |
| 04:00.51 | jmoncayo | i think it is the same, aptitude -f install |
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| 04:01.11 | wohdfoh | stuNNed: when i try this with apt get i get this |
| 04:01.12 | wohdfoh | W: Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/etch/Release Unable to find expected entry contrib/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 04:01.13 | wohdfoh | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 04:01.25 | wohdfoh | no such error with aptitude |
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| 04:03.40 | stuNNed | wohdfoh: that is good |
| 04:03.47 | stuNNed | wohdfoh: so fix your sources.list |
| 04:04.33 | stuNNed | wohdfoh: go to the debian-multimedia.org site and look up the proper line for your sources.list, delete the one you have in there and put the new one, backing up sources.list first |
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| 04:10.21 | StevenMBP | hello |
| 04:10.26 | StevenMBP | it seems /tmp/mysql.sock doesnt exist on a debian system |
| 04:11.00 | stuNNed | Arafangion: here is the one i check out: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//packet-filtering-HOWTO.html |
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| 04:12.53 | Arafangion | stuNNed: I'm tempted to just do a variant of iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d 1.2.3.4 --dport 8080 \ -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.1:80 |
| 04:13.07 | Arafangion | stuNNed: But for all ports. |
| 04:13.45 | Arafangion | Even better: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 04:13.54 | wohdfoh | nm. prob with srcs |
| 04:15.53 | ajavid | I think I'll go with gnome |
| 04:16.02 | ajavid | I have not used gnome since 2004 |
| 04:16.09 | ajavid | !install gnome |
| 04:16.10 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 04:16.38 | creative2bad | why during ./configure does checking for working mktime take for ever on my quad core ? |
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| 04:16.57 | Arafangion | creative2bad: ./configure uses only one core, if I recall correctly. |
| 04:17.17 | creative2bad | but why so long on mktime anyway? each for is 2.83ghz |
| 04:18.24 | stuNNed | Arafangion: sounds like you know what you're doing you can limit to certain ports though |
| 04:18.36 | stuNNed | Arafangion: --dport or --sport |
| 04:18.51 | stuNNed | Arafangion: might want to specify interface as well |
| 04:18.54 | Arafangion | creative2bad: Generally, ./configure will generate C programs, compile them, link them, see if it all works... |
| 04:19.09 | Arafangion | stuNNed: The less maintanance I have to do, the better, therefore I don't want to specify specific ports. |
| 04:19.24 | Arafangion | stuNNed: Particularly since I want to do webchat, skype, ekiga, etc. :) |
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| 04:24.10 | intx | whenever I use route add default gw..., I get back: SIOCADDRT No such process.. anyone know why? |
| 04:28.29 | stuNNed | Arafangion: really network-manager never worked for me, wpa-supplicant was much better but required some editing of text files :) |
| 04:29.03 | Arafangion | stuNNed: The biggest problem with network-manager is that it tries to manage both system-wide and per-user configuration - in other words, it does too damn much. |
| 04:29.15 | Arafangion | stuNNed: It works very well unless it somehow thinks you've told it to do it system wide. |
| 04:29.35 | stuNNed | yep |
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| 04:41.52 | user_corrupt_ | a package named "ZoneMinder" is supposed to be available in Debian "unstable", but when I open synaptic package manager, enable the unstable repository, and do a search for that package, then I dont get anything...any ideas? |
| 04:42.28 | stuNNed | user_corrupt_: did you "Reload" |
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| 04:43.18 | user_corrupt_ | yeah, and then I even got a bunch of obscure errors, and synaptic stopped working...im rebooting debian, and then im also gonna update the system as Ive been neglecting that |
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| 04:46.29 | stuNNed | is there any way to clean up all rc's hanging around? i can dpkg -P by hand i guess but would take forever |
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| 04:50.39 | stuNNed | n/m found on web |
| 04:50.53 | stuNNed | aptitude purge $(dpkg -l | grep '^rc' | awk '{print $2}') |
| 04:50.56 | stuNNed | brb |
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| 04:56.04 | jmoncayo | whats the meaning of the rc in the dpkg -l? |
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| 04:57.45 | ljsula | How to disable F10 key in lxterminal ?? |
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| 05:01.00 | user_corrupt_ | whenever I try to add sid "unstable" repository, with "officially supported" box checked, via synaptic, then I get the error "W: There is no public key available for the following key ID's: 9AA38DCD%%BE302B W: There is no public key available for the following key ID's: 9AA38DCD%%BE302B W: GPG error: http://ftp3.nrc.ca etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA3 |
| 05:01.22 | ssm | jmoncayo, "rc" at the beggining of the line? |
| 05:01.57 | jmoncayo | yes |
| 05:02.06 | ssm | that means the package has been removed, but not purged. Some configuration may be left |
| 05:02.17 | jmoncayo | thanks a lot |
| 05:02.25 | ssm | :) |
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| 05:06.31 | oh_noes | is it possible to ask apt if there is an update to a package (but not install it) |
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| 05:07.54 | jmoncayo | if i ssh to a debian server, how can i check which version i am using? |
| 05:08.01 | jmoncayo | i mean sarge, etch, lenny, sid, etc |
| 05:08.17 | Jester456 | i check the sources.list |
| 05:08.29 | Jester456 | but im sure there is a better/easier way |
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| 05:08.53 | jmoncayo | i was trying to find some other way that the sources.list |
| 05:08.54 | jmoncayo | =] |
| 05:09.06 | jmoncayo | but i think it will work anyway |
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| 05:11.16 | Jester456 | oh_noes, what about aptitude -s upgrade |
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| 05:11.19 | Jester456 | or dist-update |
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| 05:14.40 | oh_noes | I was hoping to work at a version level |
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| 05:14.55 | oh_noes | apt-get "give me your latest version for this package" "PACKAGE" |
| 05:15.07 | oh_noes | and it would return 1.2.3 and I can do whatever I want on my end |
| 05:15.09 | anoHito | Hello guys. |
| 05:15.14 | oh_noes | Hello!!! |
| 05:15.35 | Jester456 | oh_noes, how about aptitude show packagename |
| 05:16.18 | Jester456 | !!!llolleH |
| 05:16.27 | Jester456 | messed that up |
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| 05:16.45 | oh_noes | Jester456: thanks. and 'show' is definitely giving me the latest available in the repo? |
| 05:16.47 | Jester456 | oh_noes, does show work for you |
| 05:17.08 | oh_noes | yeh shows works, its returning the same version as dpkg -l but that might be as expected |
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| 05:17.32 | Jester456 | its giving you the lastest versoin that your apt know about, if you aptitude update && aptitude show package then it will show the lastest in your repo |
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| 05:18.20 | Jester456 | lastest... |
| 05:18.47 | Jester456 | look like i need some sleep |
| 05:19.25 | frankS2 | pess mæ i kjæftn |
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| 05:22.52 | lfs | W: W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 05:22.59 | lfs | What does that mean? |
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| 05:24.33 | jmoncayo | !tell lfs about aptitude key |
| 05:24.45 | jmoncayo | !tell lfs about public key |
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| 05:29.33 | kanon-mat | frankS2: has a dirty mouth |
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| 05:29.40 | srid | do you know guys know of a way to monitor, say, ~/.torrents .. and download torrents automatically? |
| 05:30.10 | Arafangion | srid: I don't think a generic solution exists. |
| 05:30.20 | Arafangion | srid: If you want torrents, you'd best ask for something specific to torrents. |
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| 05:30.48 | gbear14275 | anyone come across blancco when setting up 2nd hand servers before? |
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| 05:30.59 | gbear14275 | am having a bear of a time getting rid of this crap... |
| 05:31.21 | Arafangion | gbear14275: Sorry, your question makes little sense. |
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| 05:33.02 | gbear14275 | Sorry, trying to get a new server up and running and came across some sort of secure data OS residing somewhere on the machine... http://www.blancco.com/en/frontpage/... I can't seem to get rid of it or find information on it and was hoping someone may have come across and defeated it in the past |
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| 05:34.14 | Arafangion | gbear14275: Just wipe it, and start again. |
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| 05:34.45 | simonrvn | gbear14275: *cough* re-init partition table |
| 05:34.55 | simonrvn | table/map |
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| 05:36.02 | Arafangion | Why does removing network-manager also remove dhcdbd and iproute? (Amongst others?) http://rafb.net/p/yyVzeQ31.html |
| 05:36.13 | Arafangion | wonders why the frick firefox has a multi-line input box for the address bar. |
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| 05:36.44 | Arafangion | simonrvn: I've had a virus that survived that somehow, on an ancient machine. :) |
| 05:37.25 | Arafangion | simonrvn: Eventually just dd'ed the entire HDD from /dev/zero. :) |
| 05:37.43 | ajavid | well I'm using gnome now |
| 05:37.54 | Arafangion | ajavid: Bloody fantastic(!) |
| 05:37.56 | ajavid | its diff, not as cuztomizable as I'd like |
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| 05:37.57 | simonrvn | yeh, in that case... thaat means it installed itself in the mbr |
| 05:38.41 | Arafangion | simonrvn: It wouldn't have surprised me if it somehow managed to do so in such a way that specifically with MS's tools, it'd survive new MBR rewrites, which it did. |
| 05:38.57 | Arafangion | ajavid: A common comment. :( |
| 05:39.20 | Arafangion | ajavid: It's actually very customizeable, but you have to edit xml files and it's nasty. |
| 05:39.35 | Arafangion | ajavid: The keyword is gconf |
| 05:39.47 | ajavid | im messing with the gconf editor already |
| 05:40.48 | Arafangion | ajavid: I use fluxbox, because that lets me run any program I like in full screen mode - something I've yet to figure out in Gnome. |
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| 05:42.45 | anoHito | hi guys, i run a mysql tool it used to work but now it says many command not found http://pastebin.ca/1433618 |
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| 05:44.58 | jmd | dict -D just shows two dictionaries, both called "dummy". Even though, I've installed several others. How do I fix this? |
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| 05:47.22 | simonrvn | make yourself an rc file or edit the system-wide one... |
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| 05:47.53 | Arafangion | How do I find out why certain packages get removed if I'm uninstalling a different program? |
| 05:48.06 | adb | anoHito: seems missing bc , is installed ? |
| 05:48.36 | jmd | simonrvn, So why doesn't the postinstall script look after it? |
| 05:49.05 | simonrvn | why would it? a package doesn't touch a user's ~/ |
| 05:49.20 | jmd | But it should touch the one in /etc ? |
| 05:49.25 | Arafangion | Frick it, I'll just use apt-get. |
| 05:50.08 | enouf | ajavid: you're just a glutten for punishment, aren't you .. :-P |
| 05:50.37 | simonrvn | it only restarts the dictd if any... |
| 05:50.37 | anoHito | adb, fixed it , Thanks. |
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| 05:51.49 | jmd | Surely that's a bug then? |
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| 05:52.23 | reklipz | hey all, i've got a small problem that I can't seem to solve. |
| 05:52.34 | simonrvn | you're expected to configure it. file a bug if you want... you might get laughed at though ;). |
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| 05:52.54 | reklipz | I recently installed windows xp on an empty partition on one of my debian boxes. now, I can't get grub to reinstall. |
| 05:53.03 | reklipz | when i chroot, none of the block devices are shown |
| 05:53.04 | jmd | So much for debians marvellous package management system .... |
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| 05:56.46 | enouf | !fixmbr |
| 05:56.47 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode> and <dual boot guide>. |
| 05:57.09 | simonrvn | fyi, it worked fine here, way back then, i just had to specify which server to point at for lookups... |
| 05:57.30 | simonrvn | dunno wth you're doing wrong, tbf. |
| 05:58.11 | reklipz | --bind, thanks |
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| 06:04.02 | spal | anyone here uses ratpoison or xmonad? I use GNome at the moment, I want to move on to something simpler and keyboard based. What do you suggest? |
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| 06:05.31 | majhool | spal: do you know haskell? |
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| 06:05.43 | jmd | spal, I've used ratpoison. I rather like it. |
| 06:06.01 | majhool | if you're comfortable with C, dwm is quite acceptable to |
| 06:06.05 | majhool | i'm using it right now, actually |
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| 06:06.44 | fkqchimera | quick question for the pros. how can i run x with flwm instead of gdm? |
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| 06:07.55 | spal | majhool: I don't know haskell. Is it really necessary to be able to use ratpoison? |
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| 06:08.09 | adb | fkqchimera: xdm ? |
| 06:08.32 | majhool | spal: no, but it is for xmonad |
| 06:08.33 | fkqchimera | adb: I was hoping to avoid an auto windows launcher all together |
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| 06:09.00 | spal | majhool: ok |
| 06:09.03 | fkqchimera | trying to keep a server lean & clean |
| 06:09.05 | majhool | majhool: ratpoison has config files but no status bar |
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| 06:09.07 | majhool | ugh |
| 06:09.18 | anoHito | can i ask an internet technical question please ? |
| 06:09.29 | adb | fkqchimera: startx |
| 06:09.44 | spal | anoHito: you can just try asking, if the question would be better answered in some other channel, you will be told so. |
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| 06:09.58 | fkqchimera | yeah i can do that and it runs but theres no window manager how can i boot the window manager? |
| 06:10.26 | anoHito | i plan to buy a new apartment,i asked them if they deliver xDSL or FTTX (fttb ftth whatever) ,they answered me they use EOPN , what is that? |
| 06:10.29 | enouf | !xsession |
| 06:10.30 | dpkg | somebody said xsession was ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 06:11.14 | spal | anoHito: #networking channel is worth trying. :-) |
| 06:11.30 | anoHito | i googled ,says epon is a type of technology to make fiber to house ,or fiber to whatever to come ture ? or epon is a single internet connecting technology ? |
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| 06:11.39 | anoHito | oh |
| 06:11.55 | majhool | spal: you can try nearly popular, keyboard-driven wm by install its debian package |
| 06:12.34 | majhool | so install ratpoison or wmii via apt-get|aptitude |
| 06:12.38 | majhool | and see if you like it |
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| 06:14.20 | spal | majhool: ok. I am going to try ratpoison first. one quick question. can you customize ratpoison to do some nifty things that gnome does, like, auto mounting a disk when the disk is inserted? |
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| 06:14.28 | Arafangion | spal: You can use gnome software in ratpoison as well. |
| 06:14.43 | Arafangion | spal: Specifically, that is gnome-volume-manager, if I recall correctly. |
| 06:15.31 | majhool | spal: well, ratpoison is a window manager whereas gnome is a desktop environment that includdes things like nautilus |
| 06:15.31 | mrskynet | need help , tried installing hamachi .deb failed and could not remove it so i deleted /etc/hamatchi and /usr/bin/hamatchi , when i run apt-get it complains that is stillt there? |
| 06:15.37 | Arafangion | spal: arguably, this is more of a function of udev, though. (Anyone care to dispute me on this?) |
| 06:15.52 | majhool | spal: you can use ratpoison w/gnome, actually |
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| 06:17.49 | enouf | !automount |
| 06:17.49 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman>, or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
| 06:18.16 | spal | Arafangion: yes, but in squeeze the automounting is now done by nautilus. |
| 06:18.26 | majhool | and once again enouf swoops down ftw |
| 06:18.47 | Arafangion | spal: Interesting, seems that all I need is gnome-volume-manager, though, I don't touch nautilus. |
| 06:19.10 | Arafangion | spal: Perhaps nautilus runs the configurable events upon the actual mount?, ie, starts Totem for media. |
| 06:19.37 | mrskynet | need help removing hamachi installed from .deb and it failed and could not remove it so i deleted /etc/hamatchi and /usr/bin/hamatchi , when i try to force dpkg remove it it says its not installed. |
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| 06:31.25 | nots | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 06:31.25 | nots | 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 06:31.25 | nots | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 06:31.38 | nots | some keys have changed? |
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| 06:35.58 | adb | RobotCow: apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 06:36.15 | adb | err ,to late |
| 06:37.29 | matt76761 | does "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" mean, that 1) finish "apt-get update" and if it is sucessfully finished, then do 2) "apt-get upgrade" ? |
| 06:38.30 | geophoenix | && = AND , its not IF |
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| 06:39.41 | simonrvn | && == if exit status is 0 then proceed with next command |
| 06:40.17 | spal | matt76761: since && is evaluated in a short circuit fashion and programs usually exit with code 0 if successful, it effectively results in what you said. |
| 06:40.42 | matt76761 | ok, thanks! |
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| 06:41.14 | adb | !tell nots about key |
| 06:41.53 | bolt-work | geophoenix: to get "and" the way you're thinking, you should simply use a ; |
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| 06:53.56 | bolt-work | we're talking SERIOUS processing power here |
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| 06:56.08 | bolt-work | cpu MHz : 167.051 |
| 06:56.16 | bolt-work | bogomips : 334.49 |
| 06:56.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | bah. you have less bogomips then me. (i cbf booting another machine to lower you :P) |
| 06:57.32 | bolt-work | :D |
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| 06:58.08 | nsadmin | bogomips are just used to tune a timer |
| 06:58.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | :( |
| 06:58.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | nsadmin, sure, but they give us something else to argue over |
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| 07:01.16 | simonrvn | clock : 332.000000MHz bogomips : 41.36 |
| 07:01.19 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 07:01.29 | simonrvn | (bogomips on ppc are fubar ;) |
| 07:01.32 | matt76761 | but what does one "&" mean? For example "apt-get update & apt-get upgrade"? Is it executing both commands at the same time? |
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| 07:01.55 | simonrvn | & would background it... |
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| 07:02.07 | simonrvn | and probably get a syntax error.. |
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| 07:02.23 | spal | which package provides the startx command? |
| 07:02.33 | kanon-mat | && is shortcircuit and, || is shortcircuit or |
| 07:02.37 | simonrvn | !+tell spal -about search |
| 07:02.37 | matt76761 | simonrvn: background the first command? |
| 07:02.38 | dpkg | told spal about search. |
| 07:02.41 | omid8bimo | hey guys, how can i find out from inside of my lenny that if my network adaptor support PXE? |
| 07:02.53 | simonrvn | matt76761: man bash; man sh |
| 07:03.25 | simonrvn | omid8bimo: could try dmidecode maybe |
| 07:03.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | matt76761, iirc 'help test' too (under bash) |
| 07:03.28 | spal | matt76761: single & would background the preceding command. You need double & (&&) to mean run the second command if the first one succeeds (returns 0 exit code) |
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| 07:06.09 | omid8bimo | simonrvn: i've tried dmidecode | grep -i PXE but nothing |
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| 07:07.14 | enouf | turn on c-span2 now .. booktv, the viral spiral .. |
| 07:08.57 | ootput | it should hit youtube soon |
| 07:09.00 | simonrvn | omid8bimo: then i'd check its specs on the manufacturer's site |
| 07:09.05 | ootput | if it hasn't already |
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| 07:11.22 | simonrvn | booktv? |
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| 07:18.09 | ustunozgur | hi, what is the best way to get nvidia drivers working for 2.6.29 kernel in sid? |
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| 07:19.35 | ustunozgur | adb, yes I know about those, but last time I checked there were some problems |
| 07:19.41 | ustunozgur | I'm asking whether they are resolved. |
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| 07:23.43 | matt76761 | I did an upgrade to my Debian Lenny machine(apt-get update && apt-get upgrade), but after restart there is something wrong. It looks like the machine is out of memory for some reason(but it may be something else). However, when I turn the computer ON and boot to runlevel 5, it takes about 15 minutes for XFCE to start and just after the desktop icons etc appear, the X shuts down and I see fallowing messages on the screen: "HighMem Free: |
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| 07:24.42 | matt76761 | I tested the HDD with seatools and memory with memtest86+ and both were fine |
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| 07:27.19 | adb | matt76761: old kernel boot ok ? |
| 07:27.34 | bolt-work | runlevel 5? |
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| 07:28.17 | hoohah | matt76761: did you catch which packages were candidates for update? |
| 07:28.33 | matt76761 | bolt-work: "Runlevel 5: Multi user mode with Graphical User Interface" |
| 07:28.37 | hoohah | i'd look at term.log |
| 07:29.04 | matt76761 | adb: I'll restart and look fot the old kernel line in GRUB |
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| 07:30.36 | matt76761 | adb: there are only "Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-5-686" and "Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-5-686 (single-user mode)" options. |
| 07:30.55 | matt76761 | I'll try the "single-user mode" |
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| 07:31.05 | bolt-work | for what? |
| 07:31.30 | adb | matt76761: thats a etch kernel |
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| 07:31.57 | matt76761 | hoohah: no, I didn't |
| 07:32.09 | bolt-work | why change runlevel to 5? just curious... |
| 07:32.53 | matt76761 | hoohah: the problem is that I can't get so far to start any program for viewing files |
| 07:33.06 | matt76761 | bolt-work: isn't runlevel 5 the default one? |
| 07:33.12 | adb | no |
| 07:33.13 | bolt-work | matt76761: it's 2 in debian |
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| 07:35.47 | matt76761 | hoohah: should i use some kind of LiveCD to check term.log file? |
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| 07:36.39 | bolt-work | matt76761: you could boot in single user mode and disable xorg for now |
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| 07:37.05 | bolt-work | matt76761: then boot normally and investigate, i guess |
| 07:37.18 | bolt-work | matt76761: you should be using a lenny kernel though |
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| 07:40.12 | matt76761 | bolt-work: I booted into single-user mode, but just after about 10 seconds I got the same errors all over the screen. |
| 07:40.30 | matt76761 | I am afraid it is related with some kind of module |
| 07:40.33 | Supaplex | buhuhahaa. |
| 07:40.35 | Supaplex | !ubuntu.iso |
| 07:40.35 | dpkg | somebody said ubuntu.iso was sed -i -e s/debian/ubuntu/g debian.iso ; mv debian.iso ubuntu.iso |
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| 07:44.14 | hanibana | hi all :) |
| 07:44.41 | Supaplex | all left last week. you already missed him. |
| 07:44.45 | hanibana | I want to configure vsftpd to have two separate users with their own permissions and separate vsftpd pathes for serving files.I have configured two users that their files reside in for example: /home/vsftpd/user1/ and /home/vsftpd/user2/ . But I want that it be something like /home/vsftpd/user1/ and /var/log/user2/ ... is it possible with vsftpd? |
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| 07:48.40 | bolt-work | hanibana: you can change their home directories and chroot them there |
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| 07:52.47 | hanibana | bolt-work: I have these two config parameters in my /etc/vsftpd.conf: local_root=/home/vsftpd/$USER , user_sub_token=$USER ; |
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| 07:53.08 | hanibana | can I put local_root in per user config files? |
| 07:53.18 | bolt-work | hanibana: remove the local root thingy. let them use their home directories instead |
| 07:53.33 | bolt-work | hanibana: then use the chroot_user or chroot_users... don't quite remember |
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| 07:54.45 | hanibana | bolt-work: I'll make a try... very thanks |
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| 07:56.31 | utku | which one is true: "utku is who i am asking where he is" or "utku is whom i am asking where he is" (i asked everywhere no answer so i try trustful debian community!) |
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| 08:05.21 | hoohah | for gimp in sid, is it safe to dpkg -i the libwebkit package from testing? |
| 08:05.34 | hoohah | that's the only missing dependency for gimp, and it's not available in unstable |
| 08:05.51 | hoohah | on amd64, at least |
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| 08:07.42 | peterS | hoohah: yeah that seems fine. looks like gimp needs a binnmu in unstable |
| 08:08.08 | mkoenig | hi all! tiny problem: since an update (testing) ~2 weeks ago sound doesn't work anymore (snd_hda_intel = onboard-soundchip).... i think it came along with the removal of alsaconf from the repo |
| 08:09.07 | peterS | hoohah: gimp was built before webkit was upgraded from 1.0 to 1.1, so the webkit library dependency is out of date. recompiling the gimp source package would probably fix this. meanwhile, the webkit library from testing should be correct, presumably that is what gimp was built with. |
| 08:09.08 | hanibana | bolt-work: I got it to work with local_root option for each user; thanks :) bye |
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| 08:15.34 | trumpen` | how can I get the list of files of a package which is not installed? |
| 08:15.45 | hoohah | peterS: does that mean i can install the libwebkit version availabe in sid, and force install of gimp? |
| 08:16.42 | peterS | hoohah: no, shared libraries don't work that way. you should use the version in testing. at some point someone will rebuild the gimp in sid to use the newer webkit library. if you want to rebuild it locally, that's fine, but it's way easier to just use the older library package. |
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| 08:19.56 | hoohah | peterS: okay thanks |
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| 08:24.08 | khaije1 | anyone here using virt-manager with kvm? i'm getting crazy errors with the networking portion |
| 08:25.15 | hoohah | peterS: worked a treat. thanks again! |
| 08:25.32 | peterS | np |
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| 08:36.07 | arvind_khadri | hi, i have a .mp3 at 247kbps want to bring it down to 128kbps , how can i achieve this? |
| 08:39.38 | ulaelable | arvind_khadr foobar2k |
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| 08:40.10 | Suzu | hello |
| 08:40.26 | arvind_khadri | ulaelable, ?? |
| 08:40.31 | ulaelable | :p |
| 08:40.42 | ulaelable | i forgot it at the moment |
| 08:40.58 | arvind_khadri | ulaelable, uhh... |
| 08:41.12 | ulaelable | hmm? |
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| 08:47.17 | Kvant | arvind_khadri, one way is: lame --decode infile.mp3 - | lame -b 128 - outfile.mp3 |
| 08:47.52 | arvind_khadri | Kvant, oh ok, any GUI based tools for it :) |
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| 08:51.35 | maxxer | hi. is security.debian.org slow to everyone? |
| 08:51.57 | maxxer | I download very fast from kernel.org, 400k, but from security i'm below 1k |
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| 08:52.33 | geophoenix | debian will switch to eglibc from glibc? |
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| 08:53.30 | Kvant | maxxer, works fine for me |
| 08:53.39 | geophoenix | if yes in which version ? |
| 08:53.45 | arvind_khadri | Kvant, thanks a lot :) |
| 08:53.58 | maxxer | Kvant, thanks. dunno then... |
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| 08:55.47 | maxxer | it has been such slow for more than a week now |
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| 09:02.02 | kevin8x | hello,every one, i want to ask how to install oracle 8.1.7 on debian 5?somebody would like help me ? |
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| 09:03.33 | tenaglia | hi all |
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| 09:07.06 | jelly | kevin8x: uh, that old oracle release will require old library versions that are likely not in Debian any more. If you really need Oracle 8, I suggest using a supported OS version. |
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| 09:07.32 | WildTurkey | well |
| 09:07.49 | WildTurkey | i can't remember how to setup apache's vhosts so you can have multiple domain names on 1 ip |
| 09:08.01 | WildTurkey | virtualhost *:80 ? |
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| 09:08.14 | WildTurkey | then what do i setup namevirtualhost to ? |
| 09:08.56 | jelly | WildTurkey: the cleanest way is to use Both NameVirtualHost a.b.c.d:80 and <VirtualHost a.b.c.d:80> |
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| 09:09.34 | WildTurkey | then does ServerName define which is which? |
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| 09:09.40 | WildTurkey | as well as the document root ? |
| 09:09.42 | jelly | WildTurkey: ServerName (and ServerAlias) in each virtualhost definition is responsible, right |
| 09:10.09 | jelly | responsible... for determining the vhost used |
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| 09:10.26 | WildTurkey | ok |
| 09:10.48 | Stam | Hi, I have java application that runs on debian, it executes the same command every few minutes |
| 09:10.55 | Stam | sometimes core dumped |
| 09:10.59 | kevin8x | jelly,i know ,the version of oracle 8.17 is very old,but i really need it . and i like debian . |
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| 09:11.01 | tenaglia | I'm experiencing freezes while using an external monitor, no traces in the logs. Sid, kernel 2.6.29.2, intel driver. Do you know how I can debug it ? |
| 09:11.16 | Stam | when I run th command manually no core dumped, what could be the problem ? |
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| 09:12.17 | jelly | kevin8x: without going into details, you'll likely need to install libstdc++* packages from older Debian releases, possibly back to sarge or woody. |
| 09:12.38 | WildTurkey | bleh |
| 09:12.43 | WildTurkey | they still go to the same dir |
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| 09:14.16 | jelly | WildTurkey: does "apache2ctl -S" show all your vhosts? |
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| 09:15.48 | bolt-work | Stam: I'd say that's a problem with whatever java application you're using. We can't debug that without knowing which application it is, what error messages you get and what versions of java you're using to run it. Even then, it's unlikely you'll get good support for proprietary software (if that's what it is) in here, but at least give us more information to work with. |
| 09:16.33 | kevin8x | jelly,i think you are right.i look for document about installion of oracle . and test it . thank for your help . |
| 09:16.37 | WildTurkey | let me get a postbin |
| 09:17.18 | kevin8x | jelly,my english is very poor, i hope you can know what i said. |
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| 09:17.46 | WildTurkey | http://wildturkey.pastebin.com/d5f9bc6e9 |
| 09:17.56 | bolt-work | Stam: also, please clarify the " it executes the same command every |
| 09:18.06 | bolt-work | Stam: sounds like a job for cron |
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| 09:20.19 | Stam | I think its /usr/bin/php command |
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| 09:21.21 | bolt-work | Stam: run that with cron instead |
| 09:21.43 | bolt-work | Stam: man cron |
| 09:22.11 | Stam | also in cron, this command /usr/bin/php causes core dump |
| 09:22.33 | Stam | lately we upgrader server kernel and php tp php5 |
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| 09:23.06 | Stam | Thanks. |
| 09:23.25 | jelly | WildTurkey: what does /etc/apache2/websites/wickedimpression.com look like? The first line is somewhat puzzling. |
| 09:23.51 | bolt-work | Stam: please pastebin the errors you get from the command |
| 09:23.59 | nsadmin | all gone... |
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| 09:27.10 | WildTurkey | jelly: here are my websites/* and my ports.conf files |
| 09:27.10 | WildTurkey | http://wildturkey.pastebin.com/m265cb4a0 |
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| 09:27.28 | umarzuki | hi all |
| 09:27.50 | WildTurkey | i have 4 ip's on the machine |
| 09:27.52 | jelly | WildTurkey: you only need to put NameVirtualHost 67.220.68.173:80 line once. |
| 09:27.54 | umarzuki | recommend me a nice debian manual less than 200 pages |
| 09:27.58 | WildTurkey | ahhhhhh |
| 09:28.01 | OpenTokix | WildTurkey: you can't mix named and ip-based virtual hosts |
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| 09:29.36 | WildTurkey | i'm working with 1 ip address and 3 domains |
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| 09:29.47 | WildTurkey | so should i add the namevirtualhost in the ports.conf file |
| 09:29.53 | WildTurkey | and leave it out of the websites/* |
| 09:29.54 | WildTurkey | ? |
| 09:30.09 | OpenTokix | you should put one site-defintion per domain-namne |
| 09:30.17 | OpenTokix | and keep :80> in the virtual hosts for each |
| 09:30.27 | WildTurkey | something like... |
| 09:30.34 | jelly | WildTurkey: the canonical place for that in debian seems to be ports.conf, yes |
| 09:30.36 | WildTurkey | ports.conf NameVirtualHost ip:port |
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| 09:30.52 | OpenTokix | WildTurkey: hold on, im making a pastbin for ya |
| 09:30.54 | WildTurkey | and then just VirtualHost *:80 |
| 09:30.55 | WildTurkey | ? |
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| 09:31.01 | WildTurkey | for each of the domains |
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| 09:31.48 | jelly | WildTurkey: what you have right now should work, afaik. Just keep only one NameVirtualHost line for that ip:port |
| 09:32.03 | WildTurkey | yes, i did that |
| 09:32.11 | WildTurkey | and it still sends both domains to same dir |
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| 09:32.27 | jelly | WildTurkey: which access logs get written to? |
| 09:32.40 | WildTurkey | gobblenet's |
| 09:32.43 | OpenTokix | WildTurkey: http://pastebin.com/d2cbc0de1 |
| 09:32.50 | OpenTokix | WildTurkey: this is one site |
| 09:33.31 | jelly | WildTurkey: does your machine actually have that 67.220.68.173 address configured on one of its network interfaces? |
| 09:33.38 | OpenTokix | WildTurkey: # |
| 09:33.50 | OpenTokix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:34.05 | OpenTokix | WildTurkey: Browsers need to be http 1.1 compliant to understand it, but most are. |
| 09:34.52 | WildTurkey | yes, jelly |
| 09:35.08 | WildTurkey | but again, they are virtual |
| 09:35.25 | jelly | WildTurkey: did you get an entry in wickedimpressions access log from a 213.191.128 address right now? |
| 09:35.30 | WildTurkey | [Mon May 25 09:34:23 2009] [warn] _default_ VirtualHost overlap on port 80, the first has precedence |
| 09:35.30 | WildTurkey | [Mon May 25 09:34:23 2009] [warn] NameVirtualHost 69.42.220.167:80 has no VirtualHosts |
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| 09:35.51 | E-bola | Is it possible to downgrade to etch from a new lenny install? |
| 09:36.08 | WildTurkey | yes i did jelly |
| 09:36.17 | jelly | WildTurkey: then it's working. |
| 09:36.20 | WildTurkey | wickedimpression should be an empty dir |
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| 09:37.09 | jelly | WildTurkey: hm, not a directory index with downloads/ and pics/ ? |
| 09:37.15 | WildTurkey | but wickedimpression.com and gobblenet.net have same dir listings |
| 09:37.28 | WildTurkey | gobblenet.net should have the downloads/ pics/ |
| 09:37.33 | WildTurkey | other should be empty |
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| 09:37.42 | WildTurkey | or so my config says so |
| 09:37.44 | WildTurkey | i think... |
| 09:38.11 | jelly | ls -l /home/wickedimpression/html/ :-) |
| 09:38.45 | jelly | also, pastebin last ~20 lines of /home/wickedimpression/logs/wicked.log just to make sure |
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| 09:39.36 | jelly | (also2, there's no need to have identical ServerName and ServerAlias for a vhost, but that's not relevant) |
| 09:40.12 | WildTurkey | http://wildturkey.pastebin.com/m5a5de94b |
| 09:40.22 | WildTurkey | yeah, i deleted them |
| 09:40.24 | WildTurkey | err |
| 09:40.25 | WildTurkey | alias |
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| 09:41.23 | jelly | WildTurkey: what does grep -ERi '^[[:blank:]]*NameVirtualHost' /etc/apache2 say at this point? |
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| 09:42.10 | WildTurkey | ./etc/apache2/ports.conf:NameVirtualHost 69.42.220.167:80 |
| 09:42.15 | WildTurkey | ./etc/apache2/sites-disabled/wildturkey.gobblenet.net:NameVirtualHost 69.42.220.167:80 |
| 09:43.13 | jelly | WildTurkey: you forgot to put "NameVirtualHost 67.220.68.173:80" in ports.conf |
| 09:43.40 | l0ckx | wow, i just did a net install for debian 5 |
| 09:43.44 | l0ckx | and i've got tons of issues.... |
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| 09:44.17 | l0ckx | I had to use Super Grub recovery disk to edit the grub entry from root (hd1,0) to (hd0,0) |
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| 09:44.41 | l0ckx | after that another error, no idea how i got past it, and now i'm looking for the grub.conf file or /boot/grub but it doens't exist |
| 09:44.42 | aLeSD_ | hi all |
| 09:44.49 | aLeSD_ | I'm tring to set up an ftp server ... |
| 09:44.57 | WildTurkey | DOH |
| 09:44.58 | l0ckx | i tried apt-get remove grub and then reinstalled it, but i still have no idea where i can hack that .conf file |
| 09:44.59 | WildTurkey | i'm sorry |
| 09:44.59 | aLeSD_ | could someone3 suggest me the best server app ? |
| 09:45.03 | WildTurkey | i had the wrong IP in there |
| 09:45.09 | l0ckx | any ideas ? |
| 09:45.09 | fabiottini | hi i have upgrade my debian at squeeze but i have a problem with my mute button on keyboard... before upgrade i use it without problem... my pc is dell latitute d410 ... someone can help me?!?! |
| 09:45.20 | WildTurkey | [Mon May 25 09:45:12 2009] [warn] _default_ VirtualHost overlap on port 80, the first has precedence |
| 09:45.20 | WildTurkey | [Mon May 25 09:45:12 2009] [warn] NameVirtualHost 67.220.68.173:80 has no VirtualHosts |
| 09:45.47 | WildTurkey | eh |
| 09:45.52 | WildTurkey | and it didn't change |
| 09:46.20 | WildTurkey | should i change the virtualhost in each file to the IP instead of the * |
| 09:46.20 | WildTurkey | ? |
| 09:46.31 | janmejay | any clue what WiFi drivers are to be used for a HP Pavelion v6000 running lenny? |
| 09:46.44 | WildTurkey | eek |
| 09:46.50 | WildTurkey | hopefully not broadcom |
| 09:47.02 | WildTurkey | i had hell trying to get my belkin usb to work |
| 09:48.21 | jelly | WildTurkey: yes, have the same ip:port in <VirtualHost ip:port> |
| 09:48.41 | l0ckx | can ubuntu use debian repositories ? |
| 09:49.04 | jelly | l0ckx: in practice, no |
| 09:49.16 | spal | We have Dual-core AMD Opteron Processor 8378 ESX server. We created a virtual machine on it and now we are trying to install Debian 5.0. The virtual machine has 2 CPUs and 217 GB of hard disk. The partition thing gets stuck at 33% all the time. Anyone knows why this happens or how it can be resolved? |
| 09:49.55 | jelly | l0ckx: technically yes, but doing that will make an installation unmaintainable (and unsupportable) by either distros |
| 09:50.17 | l0ckx | sure |
| 09:50.35 | l0ckx | i'm so dissapointed it was such a task to get debain up and running |
| 09:50.44 | l0ckx | disappointed * |
| 09:50.53 | WildTurkey | and thank you jelly |
| 09:51.07 | WildTurkey | it's 5am |
| 09:51.11 | mazzanet | hmm |
| 09:51.12 | WildTurkey | i should have been doing this tomorrow |
| 09:51.13 | WildTurkey | :/ |
| 09:51.22 | WildTurkey | err |
| 09:51.24 | mazzanet | apt is having a real hard time resolving dependencies |
| 09:51.25 | l0ckx | i thought it was going to be a much different experience.... |
| 09:51.26 | WildTurkey | later in the noon |
| 09:51.34 | jelly | WildTurkey: it's noon here now. :-) |
| 09:51.38 | WildTurkey | haha |
| 09:51.40 | WildTurkey | where at ? |
| 09:52.03 | jelly | TZ=CEST (central european summer time) |
| 09:52.14 | mazzanet | like, every single line of my terminal is "Resolving dependencies..." |
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| 09:53.13 | l0ckx | i can't even mount an external drive |
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| 09:54.30 | l0ckx | WTF |
| 09:54.38 | l0ckx | i can't even mount a USB flash drive |
| 09:54.39 | mazzanet | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.44 | mazzanet | and it's still going |
| 09:55.07 | jelly | mazzanet: are you using testing, or perhaps unstable? |
| 09:55.34 | mazzanet | testing |
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| 09:55.47 | jelly | mazzanet: if yes, wait a couple days, do an update and see if the needed packages arrived |
| 09:56.23 | mazzanet | last time i updated was.. a few days ago |
| 09:56.58 | WildTurkey | wow |
| 09:57.01 | l0ckx | i have gparted running as root |
| 09:57.10 | l0ckx | and i'm getting unable to mount partition errors |
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| 09:59.56 | jelly | l0ckx: you could try using a simple mount command for starters. Does "blkid" recognize a partition on your usb flash device? |
| 10:00.32 | l0ckx | jelly: i mounted the drive as root to /mnt |
| 10:00.44 | l0ckx | it mounted... |
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| 10:01.18 | l0ckx | but when i run gparted, to wipe the partition clean, and format it as fat16, the option for fat16 is greyed out |
| 10:01.20 | l0ckx | and not an option |
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| 10:01.46 | l0ckx | it can be mounted and umounted |
| 10:01.54 | l0ckx | but i can't format it to fat16 ... |
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| 10:02.55 | jelly | l0ckx: it's normal for a partition editor app not to allow to to reformat a mounted partition. |
| 10:03.40 | l0ckx | i thought it was unmounted...let me check |
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| 10:04.59 | jelly | l0ckx: also, gparted uses separate utilities for many optional filesystems. Make sure dosfstools package is installed if you want full fat functionality. |
| 10:05.21 | l0ckx | right on |
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| 10:06.38 | jelly | you'll probably have to restart it to make it notice mkfs.vfat is available |
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| 10:06.58 | l0ckx | dosfstools was not installed |
| 10:07.36 | Knoeki | good morning :_) I have a simple question; why is the legacy nvidia 76xx driver not in the repositories? I can find the 96xx (which is supposed to work with my card but it doesn't). have I maybe overlooked it? |
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| 10:08.43 | l0ckx | knoeki, try the propritary driver from nvidia webpage ? |
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| 10:09.43 | Knoeki | ah right, I guess I could try that, although I distinctly recall it being a pain in the butt to install that way ;_) was hoping it'd be in the repository, but oh well. |
| 10:10.17 | E-bola | If i have my /boot on an idea device (hda1) and my root (/) on sda1 what should the root variable in menu.1st be set to? hd0,0 doesnt work. hats acording to docs the first harddisk, but what comes first, ide or scsi? |
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| 10:10.43 | l0ckx | that card should be supported out of the box |
| 10:11.12 | l0ckx | also the 76xx series is not part of the legacy driver, from what i recall |
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| 10:11.31 | l0ckx | at least on the nvidia page, it's supported with the current driver |
| 10:11.38 | Knoeki | hahaha |
| 10:11.49 | Knoeki | too bad they're wrong |
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| 10:11.59 | Knoeki | because no matter what I've tried |
| 10:12.03 | l0ckx | hahaha |
| 10:12.07 | Knoeki | only the 76xx driver works ;_) |
| 10:12.08 | l0ckx | not supported out of the box ? |
| 10:12.31 | Knoeki | well, with the openGL-less nv driver, yes. |
| 10:12.41 | Knoeki | but not with the real NVidia drivers |
| 10:12.46 | Knoeki | err |
| 10:12.48 | l0ckx | right |
| 10:12.55 | Knoeki | I'm not making much sense right now |
| 10:13.00 | l0ckx | i would use the nvidia driver |
| 10:13.14 | l0ckx | i think i understand what you're saying |
| 10:13.31 | Knoeki | point is, NVidia claims my card (NVidia GeForce4 420 Go 32M) should work with the 96xx driver, but it doesn't. |
| 10:14.32 | l0ckx | hummm |
| 10:14.32 | l0ckx | ahhh, so you have to use the 76xx driver |
| 10:14.32 | l0ckx | not the 76xx card |
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| 10:14.41 | Knoeki | so I used the 76xx driver for a while, until Ubuntu didn't support it, switched to Gentoo that DOES have the driver, and now I decided to have a look at debian, and here I am ;_) |
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| 10:14.49 | Knoeki | it's not a huge issue though |
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| 10:16.05 | l0ckx | right on |
| 10:16.09 | Knoeki | well, just gonna try 96xx drivers. who knows it might suddenly work. |
| 10:16.14 | l0ckx | i'm totally new to debian |
| 10:16.18 | l0ckx | but nothing is working |
| 10:16.25 | Knoeki | heh |
| 10:16.31 | l0ckx | so i'm creating a ubuntu live disk as we speak |
| 10:16.36 | l0ckx | i need a box that just works |
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| 10:16.53 | l0ckx | i just came from centos which runs rock solid, but terrible software support |
| 10:17.04 | l0ckx | fedora is for people with nothing but time to hack |
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| 10:17.30 | l0ckx | i thought debian would be easy to get up, running, and free and clear from issues.... |
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| 10:17.41 | l0ckx | meanwhile, the netinstall brings me to a boot screen that says "GRUB" |
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| 10:17.59 | l0ckx | by luck, i got debian running |
| 10:18.12 | l0ckx | i don't have time to hack debian to a working state.. |
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| 10:19.54 | Knoeki | debian worked fine for me |
| 10:19.59 | Knoeki | works, even |
| 10:20.14 | l0ckx | i think it was my netinstall |
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| 10:20.35 | Knoeki | heh |
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| 10:20.55 | Knoeki | I think I did a netinstall... it asked for the address of the mirror... |
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| 10:21.19 | Knoeki | the bad thing is that I didn't have to look it up, because I know it's ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/os/debian/ |
| 10:21.30 | l0ckx | haha |
| 10:21.41 | l0ckx | i tried a chinese mirror...told me 10 hours for an install |
| 10:21.49 | malkkis | :D |
| 10:21.57 | l0ckx | so i went back and choose a taiwanese...down to 1 hour |
| 10:22.11 | l0ckx | i was thinking, "ever hear of 'fastest-mirror'?" |
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| 10:22.38 | l0ckx | i would think that functionality would be built into something like a netinstall |
| 10:23.04 | l0ckx | and who wants to choose one server ? what happens if the server goes down for some ungodly reason ? |
| 10:23.16 | Knoeki | yeah, you need to fill in your country anyways, so technically it could figure out mirrors near you. |
| 10:24.05 | l0ckx | well |
| 10:24.13 | l0ckx | long story short...i need to install ubuntu |
| 10:24.27 | spal | I am facing a problem with the Debian installer. I have a large 250 GB hard disk and the partitioner seems to be running out of memory. It is getting stuck at 33% for ever. Any known workarounds? |
| 10:24.57 | simNIX | how much ram in the box ? |
| 10:25.14 | jelly | spal: the installer people are in #debian-boot on irc.debian.org |
| 10:25.32 | spal | jelly: thanks |
| 10:25.40 | mquin | 48 |
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| 10:26.39 | matt76761 | is there a OOM killer in 2.6 kernels? |
| 10:26.44 | jelly | matt76761: yes. |
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| 10:29.24 | matt76761 | jelly: ok, thanks! However, it kills such processes as "sh" and "modprobe" on my system, but it seems to me that it can't really locate the process, which occupies all the memory. |
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| 10:30.23 | l0ckx | hey thanks jelly for your help with that mounting issue! |
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| 10:31.54 | zamba | i have a client on my network that's probably infected with some malware.. when it |
| 10:31.57 | zamba | eh |
| 10:32.17 | zamba | when it's running i want a way to grab all the interesting network traffic to determine what hosts and services it tries to contact.. what's the best way of doing that? |
| 10:32.20 | zamba | tcpdump? |
| 10:32.22 | zamba | but which options? |
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| 10:32.37 | danielito | how do I get the ssh-key of a host? |
| 10:32.45 | danielito | I need to add it to my "known-hosts" to be able to connect |
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| 10:32.57 | zamba | danielito: ssh does that automatically for you? |
| 10:33.07 | zamba | danielito: if you just answer 'yes' to the question when you connect |
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| 10:33.23 | danielito | zamba: oh, I see. so it may be another problem |
| 10:33.50 | danielito | oh yes. as I see "failed to add the hsot to the list of knowsn hosts (/nonexistent/.ssh/known_hosts) |
| 10:33.52 | danielito | weird |
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| 10:35.58 | l0ckx | any secret in installing chiense language packs ? |
| 10:36.19 | l0ckx | i installed xfont for chiense but still don't have characters for pidgin or other apps |
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| 10:37.08 | matt76761 | After "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" and reboot I get "Out Of Memory" errors. The kernel was not updated. "Out Of Memory" errors occur both in runlevel 1 and runlevel 2. OOM should kill the troublemaking process, but it kills instead "sh" and "modprobe", but the process which takes up all the memory is still running and basicaaly I can do nothing with this machine. Any ideas? |
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| 10:39.26 | maligor | l0ckx, I guess you've changed the system locale to chinese? |
| 10:39.42 | l0ckx | maligor: i want the local to be in englihs |
| 10:39.54 | l0ckx | but to display chinese characters when they come up |
| 10:39.59 | l0ckx | and via SCIM |
| 10:40.32 | simonrvn | you don't need a chinese locale to display those characters |
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| 10:41.21 | maligor | I'd imagine they'd just be encoded in unicode |
| 10:41.28 | l0ckx | simon: right... |
| 10:41.29 | simonrvn | yes |
| 10:41.35 | simonrvn | . need a font |
| 10:41.41 | maligor | so you need a unicode font that has chinese |
| 10:41.53 | l0ckx | i'll check |
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| 10:45.37 | Knoeki | hrm.. Amarok seems a lot more buggy on debian for some reason O.o |
| 10:46.06 | Knoeki | it locked up the keyboard about 5 times in the past 10 minutes. |
| 10:46.34 | maligor | l0ckx, the fonts provided helpfully by microsoft would probably be quite complete but not sure |
| 10:47.07 | l0ckx | knoeki are you going from Amarok 1.8 to 2? |
| 10:47.26 | l0ckx | maligor: i have those fonts, but not for Chinese :S |
| 10:47.41 | l0ckx | maligor: i think i found something, and installing that package now |
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| 10:48.28 | l0ckx | darn...didn't work |
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| 10:48.38 | l0ckx | there are so many chinese font packages...gee wiz |
| 10:48.44 | EugenMayer | how to connect to an site, which needs HTTP auth ( lynx ) |
| 10:49.13 | maligor | l0ckx, umm.. you misunderstand perhaps |
| 10:49.26 | Knoeki | l0ckx: uh, I have 1.4 here |
| 10:50.29 | l0ckx | knoeki: sorry...1.4 |
| 10:50.34 | maligor | l0ckx, unicode fonts have 65k fonts in them |
| 10:50.58 | l0ckx | maligor: okay, sorry, i'm not too familiar with the difference with fonts... |
| 10:51.46 | maligor | the microsoft Arial.ttf that I'm looking at now seems to contain a lot of ideographs, but since I don't know which are chinese, I can't say much else :P |
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| 10:52.25 | Knoeki | ... |
| 10:52.31 | Knoeki | weirdest. bug. ever. |
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| 10:53.06 | Knoeki | amarok basically randomly freezes when using the global hotkeys. it's always done that for me, but now it's doing it quite often |
| 10:53.24 | Knoeki | intrestingly enough the fix is attempting to quit the app, it'll magically work again. |
| 10:53.32 | l0ckx | maligor: i'm not sure... |
| 10:53.33 | Knoeki | err |
| 10:53.39 | Knoeki | amarok doesn't freeze |
| 10:53.45 | Knoeki | it just locks my keyboard up |
| 10:53.59 | l0ckx | knoeki: that's harsh man... |
| 10:54.07 | varlon | hi, I'm start to use kde4 on debian unstable, so, my default dm is gdm, I want to try use kde, how can I do it? in kde settings manager Login dialog all tabs disabled. kdm install from deb's |
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| 10:55.23 | maligor | varlon, try dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 10:55.36 | varlon | ok, thanks |
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| 10:58.11 | celeste | hi |
| 10:58.27 | danielito | hm. what do I have to do if I want an automatic login to a ssh server? |
| 10:58.31 | celeste | i've just installed lenny, but apt comes without any mirror on sources.list |
| 10:58.46 | thnee | when i apt-cache search nvidia using lenny, i cant see any nvidia-kernel packages.. but the tutorials i read says that there should be such packages.. |
| 10:58.49 | danielito | or better to ask: where do I have to copy my private and/or public key to get automatic access? |
| 10:58.57 | celeste | where can i find a sources.list for amd64? |
| 10:58.58 | thnee | oh wait, i havent added non-free |
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| 11:00.06 | rudi_s | danielito: Copy your _public_ (.pub) key to .ssh/authorized_keys on the server. |
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| 11:01.04 | rudi_s | danielito: Or more correctly append it to authorized_keys. |
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| 11:04.43 | achilleas | HI can u tell me how i change ALL sound output to ONE device? when I have two? |
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| 11:06.21 | l0ckx | i'm an idiot |
| 11:06.39 | achilleas | we believe you. |
| 11:06.51 | l0ckx | thank you jelly: the reason why my driver weren't automounting were because fat support wasn't loaded |
| 11:07.14 | l0ckx | actually, if i can get this boat loader issue worked out, i don't think i'll have to use ubuntu |
| 11:07.17 | mrskynet | i have a hamachie server set up but no one can ping each other |
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| 11:07.51 | l0ckx | grub.conf should be in /boot/grub yes ? |
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| 11:08.52 | mrskynet | i have a hamachie server set up but no one can ping each other it it a firewall issue ? im running ubuntu 8.04 server |
| 11:09.34 | OpenTokix | mrskynet: ubuntu isn't debian now... is it? |
| 11:09.57 | l0ckx | ubuntu is a debian variant |
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| 11:10.51 | seniorake | yesterday I installed another distribution parallel to my inital one, which is debian. the problem now i've got is that i accidentally formatted /boot. so my images are gone. the real problem is that this is all software RAID level 1, so i need working raid-images + initrd. right now I mounted the partition here, i can access it. I need some guide on how to setup the images again so that the debian-kernel which has to be recrea |
| 11:10.51 | seniorake | ted can boot again.... |
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| 11:11.55 | danielito | hm. how can I find out where the server looks if the public key is accepted or not? |
| 11:12.29 | petemc | !debug sshd |
| 11:12.30 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
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| 11:13.58 | seniorake | any ideas or hints...tutorials..whatever? |
| 11:14.03 | gunkamanti | hi, how can i rotate mouse movement? i want to rotate the screen, and have it that the touchpad is still aligned with it. |
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| 11:15.12 | zak | is there anyway to figure out if there's a driver for the device in the (mainline) kernel, and if so, from what version |
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| 11:16.14 | petemc | !hcl |
| 11:16.14 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>. |
| 11:17.17 | zak | lspci says '' Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03):'' |
| 11:17.39 | petemc | best bet is to stick that into google |
| 11:17.58 | zak | hein? |
| 11:18.32 | petemc | if thats a question i dont understand it |
| 11:18.44 | zak | what should isearch for ? |
| 11:18.56 | zak | a site says that it worked on ubuntu and debian |
| 11:18.59 | petemc | the lspci outut you pasted here |
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| 11:19.35 | danielito | petemc: see. I wanna login to the same machine via ssh. so I do a ssh-keygen -t rsa and a cat id_rsa.pub > authorized_keys. now I still get permission denied |
| 11:19.38 | danielito | do you have any idea? |
| 11:19.39 | jelly | gunkamanti: use xrandr |
| 11:19.44 | Siegfried | can i "remove" a package without removing its files? |
| 11:20.03 | jelly | gunkamanti: oh, you want to rotate the input device, too? |
| 11:20.25 | jelly | gunkamanti: then I don't know about that, sorry |
| 11:20.36 | gunkamanti | jelly: yes. i'm using kcontrol to rotate the screen for now, but was planning on looking into xrandr, to create a shell script. |
| 11:20.45 | zak | petemc: if i instal ndiswrapper , shall i have an icon somswhere ? |
| 11:20.57 | gunkamanti | but yes, i'd need the touchpad to rotate too, then i could use the eeepc as a nice ebook reader :) |
| 11:21.15 | petemc | zak: id doubt it, but i havent used ndiswrapper in a while |
| 11:21.33 | petemc | danielito: you want to ssh to localhost? |
| 11:21.37 | jelly | gunkamanti: maybe #debian-x (irc.debian.org) knows |
| 11:21.47 | jelly | gunkamanti: or #xorg here |
| 11:21.55 | gunkamanti | thx, i'll try |
| 11:22.52 | danielito | petemc: using the domain name, but yes |
| 11:23.09 | danielito | don't ask for sense or nonsense ;) |
| 11:23.46 | petemc | its not something ive done, but running ssh in debug mode as per above would tell you more |
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| 11:25.11 | danielito | I'm uneasy bout thinking to restart sshd on a remote server :/ |
| 11:25.56 | petemc | danielito: you dont need to restart it |
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| 11:26.12 | petemc | it runs a second instance on another port |
| 11:26.23 | danielito | ah really, ok |
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| 11:47.09 | Vonor | o/ |
| 11:47.45 | Vonor | Stupid question, but how come gobby-infinote is on the mirrors (even on the one am using) but i can't find it in aptitude? |
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| 11:49.30 | avu | Vonor, maybe it's in contrib or non-free and your sources.list is missing those? |
| 11:49.36 | avu | Vonor, or it's in another suite? |
| 11:49.42 | Vonor | it's in main |
| 11:49.50 | Vonor | ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/Linux/debian/pool/main/g/gobby-infinote/ |
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| 11:50.19 | avu | that still leaves the possibility that it's in another suite |
| 11:50.38 | avu | check packages.d.o if in doubt |
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| 11:51.05 | avu | seems like it's only in experimental |
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| 11:53.11 | Vonor | ah, it's not in lenny but in squeeze |
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| 11:54.08 | jelly | Vonor: not even in squeeze, but experimental only |
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| 11:54.43 | Vonor | jelly, i can see it in squeeze (version 0.4.9.x = gobby-infinote) |
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| 11:54.56 | Vonor | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gobby |
| 11:55.21 | jelly | could be I didn't do an update recently |
| 11:55.33 | Vonor | ah no, wait |
| 11:55.43 | Vonor | 0.4.92 = gobby-infonote |
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| 11:56.09 | jelly | !info gobby-infinote |
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| 11:56.57 | Vonor | if i only wanted the server package from gobby-infinote, how would i go about that? (the box i wanna install it should only be the server, it doesn't need the client app and depends) |
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| 11:57.25 | fabiottini | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.57 | jelly | Vonor: /msg dpkg ssb, but replace sid with experimental |
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| 11:59.34 | \amethyst | Vonor: you mean infinoted, or you want the one from gobby-infinote specifically? |
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| 12:01.09 | lolufail | oh hai guise!1 |
| 12:01.15 | Vonor | amethyst, indeed infinoted (which is the one included in gobby-infinote) |
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| 12:01.31 | Yaco | Hello |
| 12:01.40 | \amethyst | Vonor: looks like that's built from the libinfinity package |
| 12:01.51 | Yaco | how can I download a package without installing it?? |
| 12:02.01 | RichiH | -d |
| 12:02.05 | jelly | Yaco: add -d to aptitude options |
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| 12:02.52 | jelly | Yaco: downloaded packages are stored in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 12:02.55 | lolufail | I made a backup of a machine from "rescue" console via tar | ssh "cat > bla".... it was the exact size of the data, so I didnt doublecheck. If I extract it now, half of the folders are missing, and what is extracted is far less GB than the tar Oo |
| 12:03.04 | lolufail | and ideas? I didnt gzip it btw |
| 12:03.34 | Yaco | lolufail, it downst download |
| 12:03.36 | Yaco | http://pastebin.com/me45810c |
| 12:03.38 | jelly | lolufail: what was the destination filesystem? |
| 12:03.39 | Yaco | take a look there |
| 12:03.53 | lolIfail | jelly: ext3 |
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| 12:04.14 | jelly | Yaco: looks like you already have it installed. |
| 12:04.17 | lolIfail | Yaco: what? |
| 12:04.25 | Yaco | yes jelly |
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| 12:04.33 | Yaco | but i want to download the package again |
| 12:04.38 | Yaco | i dont have it in the cache |
| 12:04.45 | Yaco | download it, but not install it |
| 12:04.53 | lolIfail | Yaco: check packages.debian.org |
| 12:05.01 | jelly | Yaco: aptitude -d reinstall foo, then (I haven't tried it myself) |
| 12:05.35 | lolIfail | I reaaaaly need this backup ;), why the hell wont it extract or even LIST everything?! |
| 12:05.50 | lolIfail | corrupt tar? |
| 12:06.51 | jelly | lolIfail: what does "file bla" say? |
| 12:07.08 | lolIfail | (root@A077)-(~/backup) $ file a077.backup.tar |
| 12:07.09 | lolIfail | a077.backup.tar: POSIX tar archive (GNU) |
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| 12:07.19 | jelly | lolIfail: what does tar tvf bla on the backup machine say? (pastebin) |
| 12:07.31 | fabiottini | someone can explain to me the difference between aptitude and apt |
| 12:07.57 | jelly | !+tell fabiottini -about why aptitude |
| 12:07.58 | dpkg | told fabiottini about why aptitude. |
| 12:07.58 | xingu | lolIfail: is the system you're trying to extract/list on old enough to make 32bit filesize issues a possible problem? do you get a different result if you use something like tar tf - <somefile.tar ? |
| 12:08.02 | jelly | !+tell fabiottini -about why not aptitude |
| 12:08.02 | dpkg | told fabiottini about why not aptitude. |
| 12:08.29 | zak | i installed ndiswrapper , but stil cant connect to the net , tried ifconfig -a and here is the output http://www.pastebin.be/18639 , any help please ? |
| 12:08.53 | fabiottini | thanks |
| 12:09.02 | jelly | lolIfail: also, what is the file size? ls -l a077.backup.tar |
| 12:09.45 | lolIfail | xingu: no different result, origin was a 32bit afair, destination is now a 64bit lenny |
| 12:10.01 | zak | anybody would help ? |
| 12:10.21 | lolIfail | jelly: (root@A077)-(~/backup) $ ls -lh a077.backup.tar |
| 12:10.21 | lolIfail | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 78G May 21 23:09 a077.backup.tar |
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| 12:10.48 | jelly | I specifically didn't want -h, but that answers my question too. |
| 12:11.10 | jelly | (it's larger than 2**31 - 1 bytes) |
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| 12:11.19 | fabiottini | hi i have upgrade my debian at squeeze but i have a problem with my mute button on keyboard... before upgrade i use it without problem... now it don't works! |
| 12:11.49 | pzn | Hi. I'm trying to boot lenny in an old machine (i386). it stays long time in boot trying to use dma for hda. how to disable dma for HD with kernel options in grub.conf? |
| 12:11.59 | xingu | lolIfail: are there any >8GB files in the archive? |
| 12:12.08 | lolIfail | xingu: possible |
| 12:12.27 | lolIfail | jelly: I cant copypaste it into a pastebin, any ftp pastebin there? |
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| 12:12.39 | xingu | lolIfail: is the last file shown in list mode (t) >8GiB ? :) |
| 12:12.39 | fabiottini | zak: you have install ndiswrapper but you have installed the driver? |
| 12:13.03 | zak | yep |
| 12:13.15 | zak | is there any way to check it ? |
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| 12:13.19 | zak | ifconfig -a ? |
| 12:14.04 | \amethyst | xingu: does GNU format have an 8GB limit? |
| 12:14.14 | xingu | \amethyst: I believe some do, yes. |
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| 12:14.24 | lolIfail | xingu: nope, it is: -r--r--r-- root/root 4096 2009-05-21 17:54 sys/class/net/teql0/broadcast |
| 12:14.25 | \amethyst | xingu: I know ustar has an 8GB limit |
| 12:14.34 | \amethyst | lolIfail: oh... |
| 12:14.38 | fabiottini | ndiswrapper is for your wifi connect card? |
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| 12:14.51 | \amethyst | lolIfail: exclude /sys and /proc when you restore |
| 12:14.55 | xingu | \amethyst: it's a messy world of poo, nothing's fixed; there's bugs to consider, age of src vs dst prog, etc; a minefield... |
| 12:15.02 | xingu | lolIfail: also go for --ignore-zeros |
| 12:15.02 | \amethyst | lolIfail: when you untar /sys you're changing kernel settings |
| 12:15.12 | lolIfail | aaaah |
| 12:15.17 | lolIfail | :D |
| 12:15.22 | lolIfail | let me try that :D |
| 12:15.23 | creature_ | in single user mode can you unmount / |
| 12:15.41 | fabiottini | zak: can you give me the model of your wifi? |
| 12:16.21 | creature_ | i don't have a CD drive on my machine so i cannot boot to a live cd |
| 12:16.38 | zak | fabiottini: lspci ? |
| 12:17.02 | fabiottini | yes! |
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| 12:17.27 | flox | is there a way to see intel matrix raid partitions? |
| 12:17.45 | zak | Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03) |
| 12:18.04 | xingu | \amethyst: these days I tend to use a statically linked version of "star" stored right with the backup set where it matters; just from a predictability/reproducability standpoint... |
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| 12:18.54 | xingu | but yeah, my money's on the proc/sysfs in the tarball, too (or possibly a 0-padded record) |
| 12:19.25 | lolIfail | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.42 | lolIfail | that ok? gonna take a while ;) |
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| 12:20.56 | fabiottini | zak: i found the driver for you network card on marvell site |
| 12:21.00 | \amethyst | lolIfail: hm |
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| 12:22.02 | zak | fabiottini: linux driver? |
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| 12:22.28 | \amethyst | lolIfail: let me check the syntax for --exclude |
| 12:23.23 | zak | fabiottini: do you have the link ? |
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| 12:23.34 | fabiottini | yes there is the driver for linux kernel 2.4.x... i suppose they are the driver for your card |
| 12:23.34 | lolIfail | \amethyst: PATTERN ;) according to man |
| 12:23.56 | \amethyst | lolIfail: yes, which doesn't mean a regexp |
| 12:24.13 | fabiottini | you can try that or you can use the ndiswrapper with xp driver |
| 12:24.20 | lolIfail | but it appears to work |
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| 12:24.32 | \amethyst | lolIfail: it's skipping sys? |
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| 12:24.42 | fabiottini | zak: you know how install the driver in ndiswrapper |
| 12:24.44 | lolIfail | \amethyst: yes, and proc ;) |
| 12:24.50 | zak | fabiottini: i tried the xp one |
| 12:24.59 | \amethyst | lolIfail: hm, I thought it took ^ as a literal |
| 12:25.00 | lolIfail | isnt ^ the "starts with" sign? |
| 12:25.08 | zak | fabiottini: http://www.swerdna.net.au/linhowtowireless.html#supported |
| 12:25.39 | \amethyst | lolIfail: no, tar uses globs (shell patterns), not regexps |
| 12:25.41 | lolIfail | cause I didnt want to exclude /etc/bla/sys/blabla with just exclude=sys/ |
| 12:26.04 | lolIfail | hmm |
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| 12:26.53 | \amethyst | lolIfail: ah |
| 12:27.02 | \amethyst | lolIfail: --anchored --exclude=sys --exclude=proc |
| 12:27.19 | lolIfail | I vote for including a progressbar into cp and tar |
| 12:27.20 | lolIfail | -v is tooo much overhead... |
| 12:27.20 | fabiottini | ok you have install ndiswrapper than you can find the program to install the driver in ndiswrapper you can install with gui or with shell |
| 12:27.49 | lolIfail | ah, nice@anchored, \amethyst |
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| 12:28.07 | \amethyst | lolIfail: pipe it to a program that prints a dot for each line it reads :) |
| 12:28.20 | zak | fabiottini: do you have the link for the linux driver ? |
| 12:28.27 | fabiottini | wait |
| 12:28.32 | \amethyst | lolIfail: since the overhead is mostly in your tty (or network connection if this is over ssh) |
| 12:28.36 | lolIfail | \amethyst: such as? |
| 12:28.41 | fabiottini | http://www.marvell.com/drivers/driverDisplay.do?driverId=204 |
| 12:28.57 | lolIfail | \amethyst: yes, but that still wont show me when it'll be done ;) |
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| 12:29.12 | lolIfail | a simple size comparison should suffice, especially for cp |
| 12:29.19 | fabiottini | i think this is what you need.. |
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| 12:29.59 | \amethyst | lolIfail: with GNU tar you could do something with --checkpoint and -R |
| 12:30.01 | jelly | lolIfail: cp is actually patched to have a progressbar on some distros |
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| 12:30.55 | jelly | lolIfail: you can use "watch df" or similar in another term to get an estimate |
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| 12:31.36 | fabiottini | zak: you have find the driver?!?! |
| 12:31.44 | zak | fabiottini: shall i unistall ndiswrapper ? |
| 12:31.46 | zak | yes |
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| 12:33.07 | fabiottini | zak: not don't uninstall it's not a problem if you mantain the ndiswrapper program before uninstall try the driver... |
| 12:33.22 | zak | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.44 | zak | should i go with that? |
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| 12:34.30 | fabiottini | what kernel do you have? |
| 12:35.03 | zak | 2.6.27.21-0.1-pae |
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| 12:36.39 | inkedmn | i have a virtual host running lenny and the latest php5 - but i'm having trouble figuring out how to disable the zend optimizer |
| 12:36.45 | inkedmn | can anybody tell me how to do this? |
| 12:36.56 | fabiottini | zak: in the site they wrote that the driver is for 2.4.x or higher then i think it's ok... for 2.6.x |
| 12:36.57 | pzn | kernel boot param ide=nodma seems not to work... 2.6.26-1-486 debian lenny. any hints? |
| 12:37.09 | inkedmn | i've looked in php.ini, but can't find anything about it |
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| 12:37.54 | zak | fabiottini: but my card is recognized why should i install it ? |
| 12:38.02 | fabiottini | zak: if don't work you can use ndiswrapper with xp driver... it's not difficult to install |
| 12:38.39 | zak | fabiottini: waht about the novell client32 driver? |
| 12:39.30 | fabiottini | novell probably is different! linux 2.4.x is more generic.. |
| 12:40.23 | zak | fabiottini: wanna install it on an box having opensuse 11.1! |
| 12:40.31 | fabiottini | zak: yes your card is recognized but probably there isn't the driver in the system that can use it.. |
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| 12:41.40 | zak | fabiottini: novel client one , is it for opensuse? |
| 12:41.53 | agaran | inkedmn: maybe its compiled someway in? but i dont have zend anywhere to check |
| 12:42.11 | inkedmn | hmm, ok |
| 12:42.37 | fabiottini | zak: yes |
| 12:42.39 | lolIfail | is there any script to recursively go through a directory and search&replace string inside files? I found a script, but it wont work when I need to escape a $ or so... |
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| 12:43.03 | fabiottini | zak: but you have debian? |
| 12:43.12 | agaran | inkedmn: if its also loaded when php.cli is used, then strace -o somelog -s 512 php.cli test.php should make somelog file where might be some clue about when/from where it reads configs/modules |
| 12:43.21 | agaran | inkedmn: but thats somewhat complicated way |
| 12:43.32 | inkedmn | right |
| 12:43.38 | fabiottini | zak: i don't understand why you are interested in novell !? |
| 12:43.46 | zak | i have debian on this machine but my 2nd pc is on opensuse |
| 12:43.52 | inkedmn | agaran: thanks for the suggestions! |
| 12:44.00 | fabiottini | a ok |
| 12:44.02 | zak | and the wlan card is on the one that has opensuse thats why |
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| 12:44.30 | agaran | inkedmn: but it require some knowledge what is printed in strace log.. etc, not very easy, not very hard.. |
| 12:44.43 | inkedmn | right - never done that myself :\ |
| 12:44.59 | hoohah | god i love debian |
| 12:45.04 | fabiottini | zak: ok i think becouse you are in the debian channel you have this problem in debian... sorry |
| 12:45.06 | hoohah | so many packages |
| 12:45.19 | zak | :) |
| 12:45.58 | fabiottini | zak: than you have gust to download the version for novell and i think all it's ok! |
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| 12:46.14 | alichiiiii | hello0 |
| 12:46.17 | agaran | inkedmn: but really it logs C calls to libraries so open/read can be easilly traced |
| 12:46.32 | agaran | inkedmn: and -s 512 causes to print quite long lines to prevent from shortenning patches |
| 12:47.04 | zak | fabiottini: that's what i said :)but do you think i will be able to connect with that? |
| 12:47.06 | jackanory | hoohah: yeah and you can be as stable or cutting-edge as you want. or even mix and match. i have experimental (yes!) xorg drivers with a mainly testing distro |
| 12:47.09 | fabiottini | zak: if you have same other problem i'm here.. |
| 12:47.22 | zak | ok:)thnx dude |
| 12:48.17 | hoohah | jackanory: yeah, i was striving for something similar. gave up and got sid instead |
| 12:48.20 | fabiottini | zak: if you install correctly the driver all goes ok! |
| 12:48.29 | hoohah | jackanory: which wasn't a great idea, now that I think about it |
| 12:48.52 | hoohah | jackanory: i only needed the latest radeonhd drivers.. and the 2.6.30-rc* kernel |
| 12:48.55 | zak | crosses fingers |
| 12:48.55 | \amethyst | inkedmn: does zend_optimizer.optimization_level=0 work? |
| 12:49.02 | fabiottini | zak: dude what it's means!? |
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| 12:49.12 | jackanory | hoohah: sid is fine for a day or 2 then breaks horribly, i've found. testing is just about stable enough for me |
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| 12:49.34 | hoohah | jackanory: how did you go about getting those experimental packages (which ones where they?) in the mix? |
| 12:49.41 | hoohah | *were |
| 12:50.12 | jackanory | hoohah: well you enable the experimental repos, then do apt-get -t experimental install whatever |
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| 12:51.00 | zak | fabiottini: take it as ''friend'' cos the litrary definition is dealing with persons in the east coast of the us going to spend some holidays in west coast , go figure :) |
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| 12:51.12 | jackanory | i bet someone will start shouting "use aptitude, you damn fool !" any second .... :) |
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| 12:51.50 | eject_ck | how to see all smaba (winxp) shares in 192.168.0.1/24 network ? smbclient require only IP. Is it possible scan all net ? |
| 12:52.01 | danielito | what makes a user able to login to my system? |
| 12:52.14 | danielito | or: what do I have to do to make the user www able to login? |
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| 12:52.23 | fabiottini | zak: ok ! thanks |
| 12:52.39 | nkuttler | danielito: check /var/log/auth.log |
| 12:52.52 | nkuttler | danielito: i'd guess www doesn't have a shell |
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| 12:53.23 | nkuttler | danielito: no, www doesn't exist on a default debian install |
| 12:53.33 | fabiottini | eject_ck: i think it's not correctly you use 192.168.0.1/24 but you have to write 192.168.0.0/24 |
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| 12:53.40 | danielito | nkuttler: I know, that's why I asked what I have to do ;) |
| 12:53.47 | nkuttler | danielito: man adduser etc |
| 12:54.01 | nkuttler | danielito: or use the www-data user |
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| 12:54.20 | jackanory | hoohah: or you could use synaptic and "force" the versions. experimental doesn't show up in the normal run of things, for safety reasons |
| 12:54.23 | danielito | nkuttler: oh ah... sorry. I meant www-data. so, what would I have to do to make this user able to login. just set the login-shell? |
| 12:54.33 | eject_ck | fabiottini: sure, thanks! you are correct |
| 12:54.49 | nkuttler | danielito: try to log in, check /var/log/auth.log |
| 12:54.51 | lazyet | Hi ppl. I try to build php5.2.9 on a lenny, but at the end i get a "/bin/sed: can't read /usr/local/gcc-4.3.2/lib/../lib64/libstdc++.la: No such file or directory", which is obviously a wrong directory and a wrong file (libstdc++.la seems not distributed anymore). Do anyone have a solution? I didn't find one through the web |
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| 12:55.11 | danielito | nkuttler: did that. "nologin: Attempted login..." |
| 12:55.25 | nkuttler | !tell lazyet about ssbp |
| 12:55.40 | danielito | nkuttler: but I already changed the login-shell in the /etc/passwd file |
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| 12:55.52 | nkuttler | danielito: pastebin full error log |
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| 12:56.43 | lazyet | nkuttler: I was talking a build from sources, not an install as a package |
| 12:56.45 | danielito | nkuttler: http://www.pastie.org/488971 |
| 12:56.56 | nkuttler | lazyet: the bot told you how to build from source |
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| 12:57.26 | nkuttler | danielito: what command are you using? |
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| 12:57.54 | lazyet | nkuttler: it told me how to make a debian package, and this would certainly fail because I can't build it |
| 12:58.06 | danielito | nkuttler: su root, authenticate. then su www-data |
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| 12:58.26 | saintiss | hi |
| 12:58.32 | saintiss | I get an error during apt-get install: |
| 12:58.38 | saintiss | kdebase-bin: Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.2.2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 12:58.42 | saintiss | however: |
| 12:58.48 | saintiss | ii kdebase-runtime 4:4.2.2-1 |
| 12:58.56 | saintiss | so what 's the problem here? |
| 12:59.06 | nkuttler | lazyet: that you can't build it doesn't mean the maintainer doesn't mean how to build it, give it a try |
| 12:59.15 | nkuttler | s/mean/know/ |
| 12:59.42 | enouf | saintiss: you're using sid |
| 12:59.49 | nkuttler | danielito: your log is bizarre |
| 13:00.01 | saintiss | enouf, meaning there's a bug in sid? |
| 13:00.05 | danielito | nkuttler: is it |
| 13:00.12 | saintiss | enouf, I'm using testing |
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| 13:00.28 | enouf | testing breaks too at times |
| 13:00.52 | saintiss | apparently |
| 13:00.54 | nkuttler | and when it breaks fixes take a long time to get in.. |
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| 13:01.09 | saintiss | but actually I was wondering what could be the technical problem here? |
| 13:01.14 | saintiss | it asks for a version which is already installed |
| 13:01.20 | saintiss | apt problem? packaging problem? |
| 13:01.32 | enouf | no, look again |
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| 13:02.01 | saintiss | enouf, it asks for 4.2.2 and I've got 4.2.2 |
| 13:02.04 | enouf | 4:4.2.2-1 != 4:4.2.2 |
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| 13:02.19 | saintiss | enouf, hmm, but surely 4.2.2-1 > 4.2.2? |
| 13:02.25 | enouf | no |
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| 13:02.40 | enouf | Not AFAIR |
| 13:02.42 | saintiss | :s |
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| 13:03.33 | saintiss | ah well, thanks anyway |
| 13:03.50 | nkuttler | danielito: grep www /etc/passwd |
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| 13:05.38 | inkedmn | \amethyst: hmm, nope |
| 13:06.13 | danielito | nkuttler: got it. changed the shell with chsh, not within passwd directly |
| 13:06.28 | \amethyst | inkedmn: :( then I'm out of ideas |
| 13:06.45 | inkedmn | thanks anyway :) |
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| 13:08.01 | enouf | saintiss: look at the prior versions; http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/k/kdebase-runtime/kdebase-runtime_4.2.2-1/changelog |
| 13:08.30 | \amethyst | enouf: why wouldn't 4:4.2.2-1 satisfy >= 4:4.2.2 ? |
| 13:09.14 | enouf | \amethyst: it's just how i recall the convoluted pkging versioning works - perhaps i'm mistaken |
| 13:09.22 | \amethyst | dpkg --compare-versions 4:4.2.2-1 '>=' 4:4.2.2 && echo satisfied |
| 13:09.23 | dpkg | \amethyst: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 13:09.56 | \amethyst | saintiss: is the apt-get install you are performing trying to remove kdebase-runtime for some reason? |
| 13:10.05 | enouf | \amethyst: i also _think_ there might be a regression (in experimental) on of it's depends |
| 13:10.21 | pluesch0r | hi everybody. how do i configure apt to ignore missing certificates on a homegrown repository i've just created? |
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| 13:15.43 | saintiss | \amethyst, no |
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| 13:16.43 | saintiss | enouf, but in that link, 4:4.2.2-1 is listed as the latest version :s |
| 13:16.54 | \amethyst | saintiss: can you pastebin the whole output of the failing apt-get run? |
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| 13:18.19 | saintiss | \amethyst, http://paste.debian.net/37050/ |
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| 13:19.22 | \amethyst | saintiss: hm... what if you try it with aptitude? |
| 13:20.50 | RaymondX | hi...who uses xming here? |
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| 13:22.56 | saintiss | \amethyst, complains that kdm might be broken |
| 13:23.03 | saintiss | but I'm not sure I'm handling aptitude correctly |
| 13:23.05 | saintiss | never use it |
| 13:23.14 | zak_ | fabiottini: may i pv you pls |
| 13:23.26 | fabiottini | ok |
| 13:23.51 | \amethyst | saintiss: could you pastebin its output? |
| 13:24.02 | saintiss | \amethyst, of which command? |
| 13:24.05 | saintiss | I'm in a GUI right now |
| 13:24.26 | \amethyst | saintiss: aptitude install <whatever> |
| 13:24.37 | \amethyst | saintiss: where <whatever> is the same thing you passed to apt-get install |
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| 13:25.44 | saintiss | \amethyst, http://paste.debian.net/37051/ |
| 13:25.44 | teclo- | HI there. When will the bug in eggdrop be fixed ? |
| 13:26.13 | mesa_booger | eggdrop as in the irc bot ? |
| 13:26.24 | teclo- | mesa_booger: yes |
| 13:26.40 | mesa_booger | let's hope never .... |
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| 13:26.46 | teclo- | heh |
| 13:27.21 | mesa_booger | just my personal opinion, but irc bots are for people with too much bandwidth on their hands |
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| 13:28.02 | teclo- | well I can understand some people dislike irc bots |
| 13:28.08 | teclo- | they might be a nuisance |
| 13:28.22 | mesa_booger | i dare say the developers would prolly have an idea |
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| 13:29.35 | \amethyst | saintiss: oh, it looks like you had some broken dependencies already |
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| 13:30.03 | \amethyst | saintiss: you could try accepting aptitude's resolution; you'll lose some of your KDE 3 stuff, but that's unavoidable |
| 13:30.45 | saintiss | there are no broken dependencies |
| 13:30.48 | saintiss | apt-get -f install is fine |
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| 13:31.19 | mesa_booger | it looks like an ungodly mess to me |
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| 13:32.42 | mesa_booger | just why the kde4 konqueror is seen as an update to the kde3 one in sid is beyond me |
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| 13:34.29 | nkuttler | mesa_booger: to force the transition?? |
| 13:34.45 | mesa_booger | someone needs to have another look at the whole thing. but if you stick with stable or testing, you don't get the (full) 3.5.10 kde. aaargh. but if you go unstable, it all falls apart .... |
| 13:35.06 | nkuttler | mesa_booger: that's why it's called unstable |
| 13:35.18 | mesa_booger | nkuttler: i hear you. but some folks actually use and like kde3 |
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| 13:35.48 | nkuttler | mesa_booger: maybe they could volunteer to package kde3 |
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| 13:36.18 | mesa_booger | hmmm. not a bad idea |
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| 13:38.33 | codeshepherd | anyone know what exactly this command does ? update-rc.d mountec2vol start 15 2 3 4 5 . start 47 S. 35 0 1 6 . |
| 13:38.57 | enouf | man update-rc.d |
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| 13:40.06 | enouf | st part creates symlinks in /etc/rc{2,3,4,5}.d/S15mountblahcrap |
| 13:40.15 | enouf | s/st/1st |
| 13:40.23 | enouf | stupid fucken keyboard |
| 13:40.49 | codeshepherd | enouf: do you think update-rc.d mountec2vol start 15 2 3 4 5 . start 47 S. 35 0 1 6 . is valid.. doesn't the second start override the first start ? |
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| 13:41.40 | \amethyst | codeshepherd: the second one is for a different runlevel, but it seems to be missing something after that |
| 13:41.41 | enouf | no, varying runlevels - and silly - but you check the man page |
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| 13:42.20 | \amethyst | codeshepherd: I would expect start 15 2 3 4 5 . start 47 S . stop 85 0 1 6 . |
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| 13:42.32 | lolufail | hi |
| 13:42.32 | enouf | concurs |
| 13:42.38 | lolufail | opposite of tail ? |
| 13:42.43 | \amethyst | lolufail: head |
| 13:42.51 | \amethyst | lolufail: if you mean 'get the first N lines of a file' |
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| 13:43.03 | enouf | the two S parts seems silly |
| 13:43.05 | lolufail | yes, thanks! |
| 13:43.25 | codeshepherd | ok.. thanks \amethyst |
| 13:43.46 | \amethyst | yeah |
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| 13:43.59 | \amethyst | I'm not sure why you'd need to run it from 2 3 4 5 if you're already running it from S |
| 13:44.16 | \amethyst | unless it detects the current runlevel and does different things depending |
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| 13:44.52 | enouf | i'm not even sure 'start' is a valid option ... oh well |
| 13:45.12 | enouf | i recall -f, remove, defaults, etc |
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| 13:46.16 | enouf | IOW S and K |
| 13:46.16 | dustybin | \amethyst: can lots of coding burn your brain out? |
| 13:46.35 | enouf | dustybin: does a bear shit in the woods? :-p |
| 13:46.41 | dustybin | haha |
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| 13:48.02 | Knoeki | does anyone know if there's anything special done with the Amarok build on debian? it constantly locks up my keys when using the global keyboard shortcuts, for example, when I skip 2 tracks in a row in less than 10-ish seconds. |
| 13:48.17 | Knoeki | I've had amarok lock up the keyboard before, but not as often as now.. |
| 13:48.40 | WastePotato | vmlinz: ? |
| 13:48.46 | Knoeki | the fix is easy, I just have to click one of the menus on the amarok menubar, but it's still rather inconvenient. |
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| 13:49.45 | mesa_booger | Knoeki: keystrokes go to the window with focus, or am i missing something here ? |
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| 13:49.54 | vmlinz | WastePotato: ? |
| 13:50.08 | WastePotato | vmlinz: The ping...? |
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| 13:50.36 | vmlinz | WastePotato: sorry, I pushed the wrong key |
| 13:50.45 | WastePotato | Ah. |
| 13:50.54 | Knoeki | mesa_booger: nah, they go to amarok, and then it decides to COMPLETELY lock up my keyboard when I do 2 shortcuts in less than 10 seconds. |
| 13:51.15 | Knoeki | with COMPLETELY I mean, I can't do anything with the keyboard, it doesn't take input, can't switch to TTYs |
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| 13:51.46 | paxcoder | Can someone please check for me if gnuradio is installable on testing? |
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| 13:52.39 | mesa_booger | Knoeki: sounds horrible. maybe amarok is broken. or maybe debian is .... |
| 13:53.40 | paxcoder | I'm getting this error: http://pastebin.com/d42ddaa5a |
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| 13:55.52 | paxcoder | any good people here to help me out? |
| 13:56.14 | mesa_booger | paxcoder: we're all good people here :) |
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| 13:57.41 | mesa_booger | paxcoder: you could try apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade, to get all the packages in sync |
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| 13:58.38 | paxcoder | mesa_booger: did that, to no avail |
| 13:59.00 | paxcoder | *dist-upgrade to be exact. after which, upgrade reported no new. |
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| 14:00.22 | geophoenix | i installed Debian-Sid (upgrade from squezze) on virtualbox, and i try to " startx " but returns " no screens found " |
| 14:00.31 | enouf | guess it does accept start/stop - ergo, i concur with |
| 14:00.35 | enouf | guess it does accept start/stop - ergo, i concur with |
| 14:00.40 | enouf | stupid fucken keyboard |
| 14:00.49 | vmlinz | Is it possible that gnu project and the major open source community will use qt as much as gtk? |
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| 14:00.57 | enouf | \amethyst: 's assessment; update-rc.d [-n] name start|stop NN runlevel [runlevel]... . start|stop NN runlevel [runlevel]... . ... |
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| 14:01.24 | Knoeki | <mesa_booger> Knoeki: sounds horrible. maybe amarok is broken. or maybe debian is .... |
| 14:01.26 | Knoeki | well |
| 14:01.41 | Knoeki | it happens on Gentoo as well, except significantly less frequently. |
| 14:02.05 | mesa_booger | sounds like amarok is the culprit then. or kde perhaps |
| 14:02.17 | vmlinz | Knoeki: Have you tried another version of amarok? |
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| 14:03.23 | enouf | geophoenix: try egrep 'drv|EE' /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a apstebin |
| 14:03.24 | gypsymauro | hi, there is a tool to try to recover some files on a corrupted disk? I can do an ls and see the content but if I try to copy a folder I get Input/output error |
| 14:03.45 | enouf | geophoenix: that |EE == Pipe + EE |
| 14:03.53 | Knoeki | mesa_booger: I don't use KDE, it's a POS imho ;_) |
| 14:04.54 | enouf | gypsymauro: hardware issue ... maybe - see what dmesg | tail says |
| 14:05.20 | enouf | gypsymauro: consider fsck'ing all your FSs, start with / |
| 14:05.40 | enouf | (if you're leaning towards FS corruption) |
| 14:06.27 | enouf | could be the kernel module / subsystem disk controller could be on the fritz |
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| 14:08.09 | enouf | Knoeki: /msg dpkg sysrq (for those lock up situations) |
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| 14:09.04 | Knoeki | I get no reply ;_) |
| 14:09.25 | Knoeki | but yeah, I know about sysrq, never got that to work for some reason :/ |
| 14:09.28 | \amethyst | !ping |
| 14:09.38 | \amethyst | err |
| 14:09.40 | \amethyst | !ping |
| 14:09.45 | Suzu | i have an Asus P5VD2-MX motherboard with via P4M890 chipset on which I've plugged a pcie gigabit adapter, but it doesn't show at all with lspci (so can't load module). any idea ? |
| 14:09.48 | \amethyst | /whois WildTurkey |
| 14:09.49 | Suzu | I'm on debian 5 |
| 14:10.07 | \amethyst | is WildTurkey supposed to be botting on this channel? |
| 14:10.13 | Suzu | is there a problem with debian 5 and this quite old asus mobo ?! |
| 14:10.26 | Suzu | it doesn't even show the NIC in lspci... |
| 14:10.26 | geophoenix | enouf: (EE)module ABI major version (2) doesn't match the server's version(5) , (EE)Failed to load module "vboxvideo" (module requrement mismatch , 0),(EE) No drivers available. |
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| 14:11.50 | \amethyst | geophoenix: what version of the guest extensions do you have? |
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| 14:13.28 | enouf | that 1st error is the fatal one |
| 14:15.22 | \amethyst | geophoenix: you might try the virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 package; it appears to be built for newer X servers |
| 14:15.22 | mesa_booger | enouf: pm |
| 14:15.22 | Knoeki | oh wow |
| 14:15.22 | Knoeki | why is the amarok package compiled for i486 rather than i686? O.o |
| 14:15.22 | enouf | mesa_booger: no thank you |
| 14:16.37 | \amethyst | Knoeki: most debian packages are compiled for i486 |
| 14:16.57 | paxcoder | help I: http://pastebin.com/d42ddaa5a |
| 14:17.12 | Knoeki | \amethyst: ugh -.- |
| 14:17.43 | \amethyst | paxcoder: is this etch, lenny, or sid? |
| 14:18.27 | paxcoder | testing |
| 14:18.33 | paxcoder | isn't that squeeze? |
| 14:18.36 | \amethyst | paxcoder: yes |
| 14:18.39 | \amethyst | paxcoder: gnuradio is not in testing |
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| 14:19.14 | paxcoder | how come? I mean I can list gnuradio with apt-cache search, and apparently trigger the installation, only dependencies are missing. |
| 14:19.21 | mesa_booger | enouf: was it something i said ? haha. ok. i'll email you. still on gmail ? |
| 14:20.03 | \amethyst | paxcoder: did you have it installed previously? |
| 14:20.42 | paxcoder | paxcoder: no |
| 14:20.48 | paxcoder | *shakes head* |
| 14:20.53 | paxcoder | \amethyst: no, i don't think so |
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| 14:21.06 | paxcoder | i could be wrong though, why do you ask? |
| 14:21.14 | \amethyst | paxcoder: what does apt-cache policy gnuradio say? |
| 14:21.29 | \amethyst | paxcoder: because 3.0.4-1 hasn't been in unstable for over a year |
| 14:21.37 | \amethyst | paxcoder: and it was never in lenny |
| 14:21.59 | paxcoder | it says it's not install, and there's a candidate (the version you mentioned) in unstable |
| 14:22.28 | \amethyst | paxcoder: ahh |
| 14:22.33 | \amethyst | paxcoder: you're on amd64? |
| 14:22.37 | paxcoder | yes. |
| 14:22.42 | paxcoder | o.O |
| 14:22.52 | \amethyst | paxcoder: looks like the libgnuradio-core0-dev is only in i386 |
| 14:23.12 | paxcoder | how strange is that. |
| 14:23.28 | paxcoder | no maintainer or some worse problem? |
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| 14:24.14 | hark | it's just sid |
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| 14:25.41 | paxcoder | hark: how come it triggered the install? |
| 14:25.46 | votan | what is the minimum number of processes a debian install can carry to function |
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| 14:27.02 | Theoden | http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/madill48/jajuk.png?t=1243261560 |
| 14:27.03 | \amethyst | paxcoder: ah |
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| 14:27.31 | \amethyst | paxcoder: it build-depends on a non-free package |
| 14:27.31 | nickgrey147 | . |
| 14:27.34 | nickgrey147 | test |
| 14:27.55 | paxcoder | \amethyst: GNU radio !? |
| 14:28.03 | geophoenix | \amethyst: virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 14:28.04 | \amethyst | paxcoder: or, rather, it used to |
| 14:28.20 | \amethyst | geophoenix: I'm wondering about -guest-x11 in particular |
| 14:28.28 | \amethyst | geophoenix: the version |
| 14:28.40 | paxcoder | \amethyst: i think it's what hark said: it's just unstable, but i don't know why it wanted get deps then and didn't just say there's no such pkg |
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| 14:28.54 | Barbaren | !topic |
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| 14:29.11 | \amethyst | paxcoder: it seems that somehow gnuradio 3.0.4-1 didn't get removed for non-i386 archs when all the dependencies were removed |
| 14:29.41 | \amethyst | paxcoder: err, when the source package and the dependencies that come from that source package were removed |
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| 14:29.59 | geophoenix | \amethyst : virtualbox-ose-quest-x11 | Not installed |
| 14:30.01 | paxcoder | \amethyst: who do we call? |
| 14:30.12 | mesa_booger | aptbusters |
| 14:30.14 | \amethyst | paxcoder: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457402 |
| 14:30.17 | fanti | i need to recompile xorg with an patch for ati's propriatary driver. so i downloaded the source via: apt-get source xorg-server, patched the file, installed dependencies via "apt-get build-dep", but dpkg-buildpackage -uc -b failed. the file fontmod.h, which should be part of libxfont-dev was not found. the file is not contained in the current testing and unstable package (amd64) of libxfont-dev. broken package? |
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| 14:31.09 | paxcoder | \amethyst: i just can't believe GNU radio depends on non-free pkg's |
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| 14:31.45 | \amethyst | paxcoder: the package in question is back in main (previously it had both free and non-free components) |
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| 14:32.12 | \amethyst | paxcoder: but apparently gnuradio needs an 8051 assembler that is in the non-free part of sdcc |
| 14:32.43 | \amethyst | paxcoder: the bug says Bdale is working with upstream to find an alternative, but that was nearly a year ago |
| 14:32.51 | paxcoder | ouch |
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| 14:33.55 | \amethyst | paxcoder: I'm not sure why the old libgnuradio was removed from unstable but the old gnuradio was not |
| 14:34.14 | paxcoder | :-/ |
| 14:34.43 | paxcoder | that's strange. but having GNU* depending on non-free SW is stranger. ;-) |
| 14:34.51 | geophoenix | i installed virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 and it started X |
| 14:35.34 | \amethyst | geophoenix: good, good |
| 14:35.43 | paxcoder | \amethyst: anyway, thx for help. |
| 14:37.16 | \amethyst | paxcoder: ahh |
| 14:37.26 | \amethyst | paxcoder: apparently the assemblers were recently relicensed |
| 14:37.30 | \amethyst | paxcoder: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/sdcc/sdcc_2.9.0-2/changelog |
| 14:37.37 | \amethyst | paxcoder: to GPL3 |
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| 14:37.54 | \amethyst | paxcoder: so it may be possible to get gnuradio back now |
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| 14:39.00 | paxcoder | \amethyst: so what's the conclusion |
| 14:39.02 | paxcoder | ? |
| 14:39.13 | paxcoder | dpkg: ? |
| 14:39.19 | \amethyst | paxcoder: Bdale might be working on it |
| 14:39.25 | hark | 3.0.4-2 is in sid but i386 only due to build failures |
| 14:39.41 | \amethyst | hark: probably if the build were re-attempted now it would work |
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| 14:40.01 | hark | i think so too |
| 14:40.10 | \amethyst | hark: is it up to the maintainer to request that? |
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| 14:40.26 | \amethyst | hark: or does it need a new upload? |
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| 14:41.07 | hark | an upload is pending for #527413 |
| 14:41.23 | Parrot | an upload is pending for #527413 |
| 14:41.53 | \amethyst | paxcoder: ahh, see what hark said above |
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| 14:42.45 | \amethyst | paxcoder: it looks like Bdale is working on it, so you might not have too much longer to wait |
| 14:42.57 | Parrot | paxcoder: ahh, see what hark said above |
| 14:42.59 | jelly | !ops Parrot trolling |
| 14:43.01 | Parrot | paxcoder: it looks like Bdale is working on it, so you might not have too much longer to wait |
| 14:43.04 | Parrot | !ops Parrot trolling |
| 14:43.08 | \amethyst | hah |
| 14:43.12 | Parrot | hah |
| 14:43.19 | \amethyst | no dpkg, but that would have been funny |
| 14:43.27 | Parrot | no dpkg, but that would have been funny |
| 14:43.35 | jelly | /exit this won't work. |
| 14:43.51 | Parrot | blacks dont work. |
| 14:43.53 | simonrvn | /kick Parrot |
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| 14:45.36 | mesa_booger | and that, my friends, is why eggdrop and its ilk are bad news |
| 14:45.45 | Parrot | and that, my friends, is why eggdrop and its ilk are bad news |
| 14:45.50 | adb | !ops Parrot spam |
| 14:45.57 | Parrot | !ops Parrot spam |
| 14:45.59 | simonrvn | &ops Parrot trolling |
| 14:46.00 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, abrotman, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: Parrot trolling |
| 14:46.08 | Parrot | &ops Parrot trolling |
| 14:46.09 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, abrotman, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: parrot complains about: Parrot trolling |
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| 14:47.18 | paxcoder | wonder how hard it would be fake your ip when connecting to freenode, use another, valid account to see responses, and get someone blocked. |
| 14:47.42 | simonrvn | ravenbird: part |
| 14:47.44 | RichiH | looks at Parrot |
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| 14:48.06 | zinx | paxcoder: spoofing a TCP/IP connection is rather difficult |
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| 14:48.57 | valdyn | paxcoder: basically you need to be in the middle |
| 14:49.00 | paxcoder | zinx: couldn't you just fake the IP in the TCP package? |
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| 14:49.10 | zinx | paxcoder: No. |
| 14:49.19 | paxcoder | why? |
| 14:49.25 | mesa_booger | i prefer dettol to tcp |
| 14:49.28 | zinx | paxcoder: because of the way TCP is designed |
| 14:49.53 | paxcoder | but with DTP it's piece of cake, correct? |
| 14:50.03 | zinx | wth is DTP |
| 14:50.10 | valdyn | !udp |
| 14:50.16 | valdyn | oo |
| 14:50.23 | Trewas | paxcoder: you can fake IP in tcp/ip packet but you'll never get the response back and the connection will not get established |
| 14:50.27 | paxcoder | UDP |
| 14:50.33 | zinx | yes, it's very easy with UDP |
| 14:50.35 | paxcoder | i get them confused all the time, dunno why. |
| 14:51.05 | zinx | protocols can add some protection, but most UDP-based stuff doesn't bother to :x |
| 14:51.05 | mesa_booger | undesktop publishing |
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| 14:51.30 | hark | \amethyst: http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/ see under "What does a Debian developer need to do?" |
| 14:51.43 | paxcoder | Trewas: what response do you refer to? |
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| 14:52.01 | Trewas | paxcoder: you know all the SYN/ACK stuff tcp does before actually transfering any useful data |
| 14:52.44 | paxcoder | i thought you meant that. so that's hard to forge, you say (ie guess when to "respond")? |
| 14:53.19 | paxcoder | I'm noob at networks, tbh. |
| 14:53.23 | Trewas | paxcoder: if you forge your address, the response will be sent to someone else |
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| 14:53.59 | paxcoder | Trewas: I know that. |
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| 14:56.42 | paxcoder | Trewas: i meant, you fake the ACK, without getting the SYN-ACK beforehand |
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| 14:57.14 | Trewas | paxcoder: tcp sequence numbers make that not so straightforward |
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| 14:59.42 | paxcoder | Trewas: ok, thx. |
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| 15:05.18 | richmoore2 | i just did a apt-get update/upgrade and now i'm getting a message that my exim4 config is broken |
| 15:05.35 | richmoore2 | 2009-05-25 15:52:28 Exim configuration error in line 28 of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp: |
| 15:05.35 | richmoore2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.45 | richmoore2 | that's in the paniclog |
| 15:06.13 | richmoore2 | anyone know how i should fix it? i tried rerunning dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 15:06.59 | valdyn | richmoore2: are you using split config or one config file |
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| 15:07.15 | valdyn | richmoore2: secondly, which of your config files did you break? |
| 15:07.35 | richmoore2 | valdyn: split config |
| 15:07.43 | richmoore2 | valdyn: and i don't know |
| 15:08.13 | richmoore2 | valdyn: the first i saw of the problem was when apt-get update failed to restart the mta correctly |
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| 15:08.42 | richmoore2 | valdyn: running /etc/init.d/exim4 restart can reproduce the problem but doesn't seem to give me any helpful output |
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| 15:09.37 | richmoore2 | valdyn: the error from the init script is just because there's something in the paniclog |
| 15:10.11 | simonrvn | bets it's in the BTS already |
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| 15:11.02 | richmoore2 | simonrvn: i've seen the same symtom in the BTS, but it claims it is due to failing to accept a config upgrade. i accepted the config upgrades for exim4 however |
| 15:11.02 | valdyn | richmoore2: run "update-exim4.conf", does that give an error? |
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| 15:11.27 | richmoore2 | valdyn: no error |
| 15:11.45 | mischief | ugh, why can't i get wpa working :( it worked before...now network manager just keeps asking me for my password.. |
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| 15:12.35 | richmoore2 | valdyn: does it clear the paniclog when you restart? it could maybe be false +ve from the restart script |
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| 15:12.54 | valdyn | richmoore2: remove the paniclog, then restart exim4 |
| 15:13.05 | valdyn | richmoore2: it doesnt get cleared automatically |
| 15:13.23 | richmoore2 | valdyn: great - that got it |
| 15:13.25 | richmoore2 | valdyn: thanks |
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| 15:14.39 | valdyn | richmoore2: paniclog not being empty just makes it spit out warnings, but the paniclog does not affect functionality |
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| 15:15.04 | richmoore2 | valdyn: it made apt-get update very unhappy! |
| 15:15.12 | valdyn | richmoore2: I see |
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| 15:16.42 | richmoore2 | valdyn: i suspect this is left from an update i did a while back where i /did/ forget to let the config file be fixed. i fixed that afterwards manually but never removed the paniclog |
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| 15:19.07 | zeta3 | how do i install firefox? |
| 15:19.16 | zeta3 | and I Don't want iceweasel |
| 15:19.22 | zeta3 | some sites i visit insist on firefox |
| 15:19.33 | Zharf | eh? |
| 15:19.45 | maligor | heh |
| 15:19.56 | zeta3 | wow useful replies. thanks. |
| 15:20.05 | Zharf | what kind of a site would be so retarded that made assumptions on browser? |
| 15:20.12 | asg | zeta3: install a user-agent changing addon. |
| 15:20.36 | zeta3 | which would located where? |
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| 15:20.44 | Zharf | zeta3, about:config |
| 15:20.44 | asg | zeta3: addons.mozilla.org |
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| 15:23.01 | zeta3 | after switching agents it tells me i dont have flash ll |
| 15:23.15 | zeta3 | and the user agents don't let me switch from iceweasel to firefox |
| 15:23.21 | maligor | Beats me why any site would specifically grep for Firefox in the user agent |
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| 15:23.48 | maligor | the user agent addon's should allow custom strings |
| 15:24.05 | maligor | or change general.useragent.extra.firefox in about:config |
| 15:24.29 | Arafangion | maligor: Because IE is the standard and Firefox does a few things differently. (Duh) |
| 15:24.49 | Arafangion | wonders if his sarcasm made it through. |
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| 15:25.09 | maligor | It's like American Politics |
| 15:25.14 | wwarrior2 | hello, |
| 15:25.28 | maligor | There's other browsers too?! :P |
| 15:25.57 | wwarrior2 | what's the real difference between dist-upgrade and safe-upgrade ? |
| 15:26.05 | wwarrior2 | other than the info in the manual |
| 15:26.10 | wwarrior2 | in the apt howto |
| 15:26.28 | mischief | can anyone help me with connecting to my WPA router? when i try connecting, network-manager just keeps prompting me for a password. |
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| 15:27.19 | nuscire | Hi, everybody! I have a problem with bash. I set the input mode of bash to 'vi' rather than 'emacs'. Then I input some words (in insert mode), but when I use left arrow key to move the cursor back some letters, and then use the right arrow to move it to the right most letter, something strange happens: I cannot move the cursor to the right most position (to continue my input). Anyone can give some explanation? |
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| 15:28.18 | adb | nuscire: try #bash |
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| 15:29.44 | adb | nm |
| 15:30.05 | nuscire | abd: trying :) |
| 15:30.16 | sylarrr | is there something like dd but only to verify? |
| 15:30.28 | jamesstanley | Does anyone know how to 'defragment' ext3? I'm attempting to shrink my root partition, and I want to be sure that I won't shrink it past any data that might be sitting near the end of the partition |
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| 15:33.15 | asg | sylarrr: verify the reading of data? Just output to /dev/null |
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| 15:36.10 | pippo_01 | Hi, I have a big problem with bind9.. today at 13:00 my dns started to querys hosts (1000 connections per second) and now my ISP's blocking my POP3/SMTP connections.. If I try to see what happen in syslog I got: 200-180-201-18.sance300.brasiltelecom.net.br/MX' (in 'brasiltelecom.net.br'?): reducing the advertised EDNS UDP packet size to 512 octets |
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| 15:37.04 | petemc | pippo_01: you allow recursive lookups? |
| 15:37.34 | theRealNico | Hi. I installed ssmtp on my computer. I entered the command 'sendmail -v mymail@mydomain.com'. Now, it is stucked and I don't know if I can kill it without any risk (I don't want a remaining session on the remote server due to the kill) |
| 15:37.45 | pippo_01 | petemc: my opts in named.conf.options |
| 15:37.47 | pippo_01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.47 | pippo_01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.47 | pippo_01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.47 | pippo_01 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:37.59 | petemc | dont paste here |
| 15:38.02 | pippo_01 | sorry |
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| 15:39.07 | pippo_01 | petemc: I think I had this problem when I upgraded from Etch to Lenny |
| 15:39.51 | sylarrr | pippo_01, omg diff works on /dev/sda |
| 15:39.54 | valdyn | theRealNico: if that breaks the remote server, then that remote server is totally fucked up useless shit |
| 15:40.11 | valdyn | theRealNico: so just break it |
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| 15:40.33 | theRealNico | valdyn: OK, thanks. I'll do so. |
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| 15:41.09 | valdyn | theRealNico: smtp servers cannot be fragile.. |
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| 15:41.34 | sylarrr | pitty diff don't have a --start-at-byte |
| 15:41.41 | theRealNico | valdyn: OK. But is that normal that I didn't get the interactive prompt by entering the command line ? |
| 15:41.51 | sylarrr | to make it diff starting in the middle of a file |
| 15:41.51 | jelly | theRealNico: can you suspend it? |
| 15:41.52 | ajavid | uhm |
| 15:41.55 | xsend | hello world |
| 15:41.58 | ajavid | its almost 11am |
| 15:42.00 | valdyn | theRealNico:you are not supposed to run sendmail at all |
| 15:42.03 | ajavid | where is abrotman |
| 15:42.04 | asg | sylarrr: dd from the offset and pipe to diff |
| 15:42.12 | ajavid | is he taking a holiday |
| 15:42.13 | asg | ajavid: probably eating sossidges |
| 15:42.23 | ajavid | ahh, well I'm on gnome now |
| 15:42.31 | ajavid | its not bad, just not as configurable |
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| 15:42.39 | theRealNico | valdyn: but my install of ssmtp doesn't seem to work. I wanted to test the connection |
| 15:42.50 | theRealNico | jelly: too late, i killed it |
| 15:42.57 | valdyn | theRealNico: use the mail command |
| 15:43.03 | jelly | theRealNico: nothing of value was lost |
| 15:43.12 | sylarrr | asg, and the second file? |
| 15:43.32 | asg | sylarrr: diff - /path/to/second/file |
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| 15:44.31 | sylarrr | asg, but I want to skip also on the second file |
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| 15:44.51 | JordiGH | This is weird... how can all of compiz except libcompizconfig0 have trickled down to testing already? |
| 15:44.58 | asg | sylarrr: then use dd to cut the bits you want into temp files and diff those. |
| 15:45.05 | theRealNico | valdyn: OK. I did so, but didn't get the mail. Where do I find the log files for ssmtp ? |
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| 15:45.35 | mischief | can anyone help me with connecting to my WPA router? when i try connecting, network-manager just keeps prompting me for a password. |
| 15:45.37 | ajavid | judd versions python-compizconfig |
| 15:45.39 | sylarrr | asg, I want to verify a disk clone so it is too big for that. But thanks |
| 15:45.43 | valdyn | theRealNico: i dont know ssmtp, search the usual places |
| 15:45.45 | asg | sylarrr: you may also be able to do this with shell redirection and other plumbing but you'd be better off asking in #bash |
| 15:45.49 | ajavid | fantastic |
| 15:45.51 | ajavid | !hi |
| 15:45.55 | ajavid | dpkg, ping |
| 15:45.56 | JordiGH | Remind me what a bug number struck through means in the BTS? |
| 15:46.04 | asg | ajavid: he's having sossidges with abrotman |
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| 15:46.13 | ajavid | yup |
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| 15:46.20 | valdyn | theRealNico: thats /var/log/mail* and /var/log/ssmtp* |
| 15:46.31 | ajavid | I fucking hate gnome |
| 15:46.37 | ajavid | I hate everything but kde3.5 |
| 15:46.39 | theRealNico | valdyn: thank you very much |
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| 15:46.59 | ajavid | why man why can't we also have kde3 in sid/testing |
| 15:47.04 | sylarrr | ajavid, do you love kde3.5? |
| 15:47.09 | ajavid | wtf is going on in the world, seriously, I don't want anything else |
| 15:47.18 | valdyn | ajavid: ask the maintainers |
| 15:47.18 | cahoot | mischief: personally I'd try wpa_supplicant from cli until it works then switch to n-m |
| 15:47.28 | ajavid | valdyn, ehh |
| 15:47.48 | ajavid | I mean how can people use gnome, it just... sucks. |
| 15:47.59 | valdyn | ajavid: kde3 will be eol anyway and unsupported, bad idea to keep it packaged, if thats happening soon |
| 15:48.09 | valdyn | ajavid: i think you dont know it |
| 15:48.13 | ajavid | I'm having trouble beleiving that it is such a popular desktop choice, while it sucks pretty much worse than windows does |
| 15:48.17 | ajavid | *sigh* |
| 15:48.17 | valdyn | ajavid: gnome is configurable, kde is configurable |
| 15:48.23 | JordiGH | ajavid: Eh, Gnome lets me setup emacs-like keys on every textbox. It rules. ;-) |
| 15:48.41 | JordiGH | ajavid: The same can be done in KDE with some difficulty (patch some library yourself). |
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| 15:49.04 | ajavid | not really |
| 15:49.11 | ajavid | kcontrolcenter is 100% full of stuff I can configure |
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| 15:49.12 | JordiGH | ajavid: YA RLY. |
| 15:49.17 | ajavid | the same stuff I have to hunt down in gconf-editor |
| 15:49.23 | ajavid | its garbage |
| 15:49.25 | JordiGH | ajavid: But you can't setup Emacs-like keys for "move forward one letter". |
| 15:49.26 | mischief | cahoot, okay, i'll try using wpa_supplicant |
| 15:49.37 | susam | are all the 5 DVDs of Debian bootable or only the first one is bootable? |
| 15:49.45 | ajavid | susam, first one I should think |
| 15:49.48 | valdyn | susam: first one only i think |
| 15:49.49 | xingu | reconfigures JordiGH's gnome for left-to-right input |
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| 15:50.01 | valdyn | susam: actually, im sure |
| 15:50.02 | JordiGH | xingu: I've never known what Emacs does in that situation. |
| 15:50.28 | Couennedousse | is unable to use the netinst because it won't recognise the keyboard |
| 15:50.30 | xingu | JordiGH: firefox's toggle is c-s-x if you're bored ;) |
| 15:51.17 | spal | xingu, what does c-s-x do? |
| 15:51.27 | JordiGH | xingu: I've seen it in Mozilla Thunderwolf. Just never in Emacs. |
| 15:51.33 | xingu | spal: fire up firefox, navigate to a text input box, and try it. |
| 15:51.42 | spal | ok |
| 15:52.00 | theRealNico | valdyn: I find no trace of my email in /var/log/mail.log (last recording in this file is from May 14th). There is no /var/log/ssmtp*, and there is nothing either in /var/messages nor in the /var/mail/ folder. I'm desperate. |
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| 15:52.02 | ajavid | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Stable_Version |
| 15:52.04 | ajavid | fuck it |
| 15:52.12 | Arafangion | valdyn: I seem to recall that, historically at least, the second might well also be bootable with an alternate image, or am I confusing the various 32/64-bit systems? |
| 15:52.13 | ajavid | I'm gonna build kde3.5.x from source |
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| 15:52.26 | spal | xingu, got it. thanks. it changes the direction in which the text is typed. |
| 15:52.42 | valdyn | Arafangion: theres 3 or more "first" images, all bootable |
| 15:53.00 | valdyn | Arafangion: but CD, but not for dvd |
| 15:53.05 | valdyn | Arafangion: *for* CD, but not for dvd |
| 15:53.28 | ajavid | stable has 3.5.9 kde, while testing had 3.5.10 and sid had 4.2, now testing has 4.2 and sid has 4.2, but stable still has 3.5.9. What happens to the 3.5.10 update to kde3? |
| 15:53.45 | valdyn | ajavid: nothing |
| 15:53.51 | ajavid | discarded? |
| 15:53.56 | ajavid | cuz stable is frozen |
| 15:54.10 | valdyn | ajavid: not exactly |
| 15:54.18 | mischief | cahoot, i still can't connect, dhclient times out |
| 15:54.48 | valdyn | ajavid: stable might already have gotten fixes from .10, but it will not change its version |
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| 15:56.24 | cahoot | mischief: no errormsg? |
| 15:56.39 | mischief | cahoot, no, dhclient simply says it is going to sleep |
| 15:56.46 | mischief | where would i find wpa_supplicant errors? |
| 15:56.49 | ajavid | gnome-terminal is horrible |
| 15:56.55 | ajavid | unless you can put the tab bar on the bottom |
| 15:56.56 | nab | hi |
| 15:56.58 | ajavid | can you? |
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| 15:57.29 | Arafangion | valdyn: Curious. :) Thanks. |
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| 15:57.37 | ajavid | I mean it doesn't even have a simple little trivial option to let you place the tab bar where you want |
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| 15:58.08 | ajavid | I mean seriously man, how can people use gnome? |
| 15:58.11 | ajavid | geez. |
| 15:58.16 | rastafreund | i love gnome |
| 15:58.26 | ajavid | I can't see why man |
| 15:58.39 | mischief | aha! cahoot in syslog it says wpa_supplicant: association request with driver failed |
| 15:58.42 | mischief | what's what mean D: |
| 15:58.42 | ajavid | I'm mostly pissed off at myself |
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| 15:59.04 | gravity | likes gnome quite a bit |
| 15:59.13 | ajavid | I took out 3.5.10 from my system installed kde4, sucked, moved to kde3, but no more kde3 in debian, so try gnome, and it sucks more than anything I've ever used |
| 15:59.21 | ajavid | gravity, oh man |
| 15:59.28 | ajavid | gravity, *sigh* |
| 15:59.36 | gravity | ajavid: What do you want it to do exactly? |
| 15:59.44 | ajavid | put the gnome-terminal tab bar on the bottom like konsole |
| 15:59.45 | gravity | There's several add-ons that tend to make people happy. |
| 15:59.50 | xingu | makes ajavid use cde on a sparcstation ipc under sol2.5.1 |
| 15:59.50 | ajavid | oh |
| 15:59.51 | jpinx-eeepc | depends what you want ajavid |
| 15:59.57 | asg | xingu: eww |
| 15:59.59 | gravity | That's... obscure |
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| 16:00.06 | valdyn | ajavid: or just use screen |
| 16:00.09 | gravity | xingu: :-) |
| 16:00.12 | ajavid | see |
| 16:00.30 | Dassu | Ok. Here's the deal. I want to create a vpn connection to the server. Without studying 1hour of config files. What to use ? |
| 16:00.31 | ajavid | so it does suck. this is a trivial option. Im sure, the gnoem suckage is only relativistic. |
| 16:00.33 | jpinx-eeepc | makes xingu use a sinclair |
| 16:00.36 | valdyn | ajavid: theres no good reason to use tabbed terminals |
| 16:00.43 | ajavid | so I'll stop bashing gnome, I said so |
| 16:00.49 | nab | I want to change the syncronization of vert and horizontal...i must change it in /etc/X11/xorg....but I dont know where in the folder |
| 16:00.51 | ajavid | valdyn, yeh, your needs are not the same as mine :) |
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| 16:01.01 | jelly | Dassu: money. |
| 16:01.04 | ajavid | I don't want a tab bar at bottom, I NEED one. |
| 16:01.11 | jpinx-eeepc | ajavid: lxde ? |
| 16:01.11 | gravity | It's also a fairly useless option |
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| 16:01.21 | gravity | ajavid: Why do you need the tabs on the bottom? |
| 16:01.24 | valdyn | ajavid: use screen inside your x terminal |
| 16:01.31 | ajavid | I mean, I'm having to change my desktopping habits becuae the functionality I use everyday doesn't exist in gnome |
| 16:01.36 | ajavid | it doesn't exist outside of kde3 |
| 16:01.39 | jpinx-eeepc | moves his tabs around |
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| 16:01.57 | gravity | reminds me... I need to try out s/metacity/awesome/ |
| 16:02.16 | ajavid | gravity, I like for example have my terminals open |
| 16:02.19 | wwarrior2 | what's the difference between dist-upgrade and safe-upgrade ? |
| 16:02.27 | gravity | ajavid: Yes, but why can't they be on the top? |
| 16:02.29 | ajavid | irssi input line is at the bottom, my shells/terminials have input lines at the bottom |
| 16:02.33 | ajavid | and the goddamn tab bar is on the top |
| 16:02.37 | ajavid | thats just stupid. |
| 16:02.45 | ajavid | I like it all on the bottom so I don't have to move my eyes that much |
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| 16:02.55 | jelly | wwarrior2: the latter preserves any dependencies already present on the system |
| 16:03.16 | jpinx-eeepc | gives ajavid a couple of strip prisms |
| 16:03.18 | gravity | ajavid: You need to not be using gnome-terminal then. Just use konsole |
| 16:03.25 | ajavid | I'm sorry, I'm ususally not so |
| 16:03.27 | gravity | Christ... what a stupid complaint |
| 16:03.27 | ajavid | I'll shut up |
| 16:03.30 | asg | wwarrior2: dist-upgrade will remove packages to satisfy deps, safe-upgrade won't |
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| 16:03.42 | ajavid | its a valid complaint |
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| 16:04.01 | jpinx-eeepc | ajavid: go and complain in #gnome |
| 16:04.08 | valdyn | ajavid: gnome wont add features like that |
| 16:04.10 | jpinx-eeepc | or #kde |
| 16:04.10 | xingu | metacity as a word always reminds me of metastatic for some reason |
| 16:04.12 | ajavid | actually I wasn't complaining at all |
| 16:04.15 | valdyn | ajavid: and you dont need to use gnome |
| 16:04.24 | ajavid | I was asking if it was possible to do so, and it isn't. |
| 16:04.30 | ajavid | valdyn, yes I realize that |
| 16:04.37 | valdyn | ajavid: i think its possible |
| 16:04.52 | ajavid | that would be lovely |
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| 16:05.09 | ajavid | how about right clicking on desktop in gnome and getting an application menu? |
| 16:05.18 | ajavid | or a middle click in desktop to get the windowlist menu? |
| 16:05.24 | ajavid | can you do this in gnome? |
| 16:05.32 | valdyn | ajavid: thats a function of the window manager |
| 16:05.42 | ajavid | I don't care |
| 16:05.43 | jpinx-eeepc | ffs ajavid stop hogging the channel! |
| 16:05.45 | ajavid | I'm using the gnome suite. |
| 16:05.52 | ajavid | jpinx-eeepc, /ignore ajavid |
| 16:05.55 | valdyn | ajavid: "gnome suite" is bullshit |
| 16:05.57 | gravity | metacity is meant to be boring and immediately useable |
| 16:06.01 | ajavid | valdyn, thanks! |
| 16:06.06 | ajavid | valdyn, of course it is. |
| 16:06.07 | valdyn | ajavid: theres like a dozen gnome compliant window managers |
| 16:06.13 | gravity | It's very good at what it does, but what it does is "the minimum, but correctly" |
| 16:06.14 | ajavid | its bullshit. |
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| 16:06.22 | ajavid | I'm not arguing ok man look |
| 16:06.25 | jelly | but you're not complaining. |
| 16:06.27 | ajavid | shit doesn't work for me, I'm giving it up |
| 16:06.42 | ajavid | fuck it. |
| 16:06.47 | ajavid | moving on... debian pwnz. |
| 16:06.53 | gravity | heh |
| 16:06.55 | spal | ajavid, what is the point in reiterating gnome is bullshit? if you don't like gnome, use something else. |
| 16:07.08 | ajavid | spal, one more time. |
| 16:07.23 | ajavid | waits... |
| 16:07.31 | richmoore2 | doesn't |
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| 16:07.56 | SQlvpapir | could anyone check if my eth0 is configured properly so it matches my dhcpd.conf? http://pastebin.com/m70211876 |
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| 16:08.18 | ajavid | use konstruct, build kde3 from source, install on debisn sid, and forget about it |
| 16:08.28 | ajavid | no more upgrade problems issues or whatever |
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| 16:08.38 | ajavid | debian-kde has betrayed me!! |
| 16:08.41 | ajavid | :( |
| 16:08.46 | jelly | has a Gtk+, a KDE4 and a Windows (sorry, can't remember the widget name) app on screen. |
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| 16:09.03 | ajavid | and the best file manager EVER is konqueror |
| 16:09.13 | ajavid | of course you'd have to add a lot of service menus and scripts |
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| 16:09.15 | jpinx-eeepc | can not believe the # ops allow this |
| 16:09.26 | ajavid | I think I could go with xfce4 |
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| 16:09.36 | ajavid | I like xfce4, the right click functionality existsw on its desktop |
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| 16:09.59 | ajavid | plus i know where the source is for the changing buttons, I will just use xfce4, konsole, konqueror and that should do it |
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| 16:10.03 | jpinx-eeepc | !ops ajavid persistent rant |
| 16:10.11 | jelly | ajavid: but xfce4 Terminal doesn't to bottom tabs either! It's bullshit!!1 |
| 16:10.13 | ajavid | jpinx-eeepc, /ignore ajavid |
| 16:10.19 | ajavid | jelly, I said konsole! |
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| 16:10.27 | ajavid | damit, don't make me run after you |
| 16:10.35 | gravity | ajavid: I think you need to get involved in KDE development |
| 16:10.38 | Yanch0 | http://pastebin.ca/1434037 <- anyone can help me mount this usb disk please? |
| 16:10.44 | ajavid | gravity, I have been upstream |
| 16:10.46 | ajavid | for years |
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| 16:10.54 | ajavid | you mean join the debian-kde team? |
| 16:10.55 | gravity | And... you don't want kde4? |
| 16:11.04 | ajavid | gravity, honestly man, it sucks. |
| 16:11.12 | ajavid | it sucks worse than gnome is sucking at this very minute |
| 16:11.18 | gravity | Well... ok. |
| 16:11.28 | ajavid | it will be better once is matured and stable |
| 16:11.50 | gravity | ajavid: You might be interested in stuff like gnome shell. It's very very new and not ready, but it's got a lot of interesting promise. |
| 16:11.56 | ajavid | I mean don't get me wrong, I just can't wait for it to be stable and good, but yeah, kde is awesome, 3x kicks butt, and 4.x is good but its just not eh... |
| 16:12.02 | valdyn | looks like theres a trivial patch for gnome-terminal, but nothing in stock yet |
| 16:12.04 | gravity | Kinda emacs-like in a way |
| 16:12.15 | ajavid | gravity, also, my bad. I was frustrated and I went on a rant. |
| 16:12.31 | ajavid | gravity, I know you didn't say anything, but I just.. you knnow. |
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| 16:12.32 | ajavid | word. |
| 16:12.45 | gravity | That's fine |
| 16:12.49 | cherwin | Yancho: You need to do "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1" -- create /mnt/sda1 first |
| 16:12.51 | ajavid | gnoem is pretty alright, just doesn't do what I like it to |
| 16:12.54 | jpinx-eeepc | Yanch0: which disk are you trying to mount? can you paste fdisk -l |
| 16:12.58 | valdyn | tabs in terminals is still silly though |
| 16:13.07 | ajavid | valdyn, nah, its easy |
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| 16:13.37 | cherwin | Yancho: And read some linux basics, you're trying to cd into /dev/sda but that's your physical disk |
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| 16:13.54 | valdyn | ajavid: i tried to use it, but every time i get to a point where i should just have used screen |
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| 16:14.07 | ajavid | valdyn, however I am thinking about ditching all this crap, going with a minimal wm, and just whatever apps I use, in fact I think I might customize screen today |
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| 16:14.39 | mischief | can anyone tell me where i can set ACPI settings (like sleep/hibernate)? |
| 16:14.46 | Yanch0 | jpinx-eeepc : http://pastebin.ca/1434042 :) |
| 16:15.00 | valdyn | mischief: what are you trying to set? |
| 16:15.04 | ajavid | I'm too old now to be playing with toys, I just need something customizable to my needs/wants, and stuff that works without too much trouble, cuz I can't waste time on this anymore, I just need to code |
| 16:15.04 | Yanch0 | cherwin yeah i was trying to mount the wrong one - now i can continue :) |
| 16:15.18 | gravity | Just live inside emacs and be done with it :-) |
| 16:15.23 | ajavid | hehe |
| 16:15.29 | ajavid | I usd to live inside phpmode.el |
| 16:15.32 | mischief | valdyn, i have problems with sleep mode on my eee pc |
| 16:15.43 | mischief | sometimes when i close the lid, it sleeps, but when it wakes up, it locks up |
| 16:15.45 | ajavid | never really learned emacs in too much depth |
| 16:15.54 | jelly | gravity: my old boss has just last week given up on Gnus and Emacs and gone Thunderbird. |
| 16:15.56 | mischief | the only way to fix it is to remove power and take out the battery |
| 16:15.57 | ajavid | not enough to use it as a desktop/os/whatever |
| 16:16.03 | jvogel | mischief: on my dell mini 9 i have to do s2ram -f |
| 16:16.11 | gravity | jelly: Is he still coding? |
| 16:16.18 | valdyn | mischief: read the docs to pm-suspend and pm-hibernate |
| 16:16.24 | jvogel | it works great tho |
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| 16:16.37 | valdyn | mischief: theres plenty optional workarounds, you dont need to mess with or care about acpi |
| 16:16.38 | jvogel | i made a script "ssuspend" to do it so its not too much of a hassle |
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| 16:16.41 | jelly | gravity: dabbles in C a bit. I think he still uses it for that. |
| 16:16.56 | ajavid | C? |
| 16:17.08 | gravity | jelly: That's fair. I've not set up gnus, and am trying out thunderbird instead of mutt lately. |
| 16:17.08 | abrotman | the language? |
| 16:17.09 | ajavid | heh. |
| 16:17.14 | ajavid | abrotman, hi |
| 16:17.16 | jvogel | lol |
| 16:17.27 | gravity | Still not entirely happy with thunderbird, but another release or two should do it |
| 16:17.28 | ajavid | abrotman, using gnome now :) and not liking it that much |
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| 16:17.46 | jvogel | gnome is sexy tho i have to admit |
| 16:17.48 | jvogel | not for me |
| 16:17.48 | abrotman | ajavid: i'm still waiting for you to try e17 |
| 16:17.49 | ajavid | going back to xfce4 |
| 16:17.57 | ajavid | abrotman, I'll give it a shot man |
| 16:18.03 | ajavid | today is the day for trying xwinman |
| 16:18.06 | ajavid | !xwinman |
| 16:18.09 | ajavid | oh mother fucker |
| 16:18.13 | jelly | gravity: there be lots of plugins and stuff. I'm still hoping mutt will get cross-folder search some day. :-) |
| 16:18.18 | jvogel | !xmonad |
| 16:18.23 | jpinx-eeepc | ajavid: please stop ranting |
| 16:18.23 | abrotman | ajavid: seems up your alley |
| 16:18.24 | ajavid | I gotta now find the link.... oh oho oh ohoh, http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 16:18.28 | abrotman | dpkg is sleeping |
| 16:18.37 | ajavid | i got it :) |
| 16:18.41 | abrotman | ajavid: enlightenment.org |
| 16:18.44 | ajavid | jpinx-eeepc, seriously, please lay off. |
| 16:18.50 | abrotman | but packages are in experimental |
| 16:18.51 | jpinx-eeepc | there are people who actually need help - which you obviously do not |
| 16:18.53 | gravity | jelly: Yeah, the plugins are going to be the big win for thunderbird in the long run. mutt scripts just didn't end up getting shared enough. |
| 16:18.54 | ajavid | jpinx-eeepc, employ /ignore and call it a day. |
| 16:19.09 | ajavid | abrotman, ohhh, how come experimental? |
| 16:19.13 | abrotman | if everyone uses /ignore .. will it still make a sound? :) |
| 16:19.13 | mischief | valdyn, yeah but i don't know where to go about doing these work arounds |
| 16:19.16 | ajavid | abrotman, isn't e17 quite old |
| 16:19.17 | JordiGH | Gnome â¥â¥ http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/piccies/Screenshot-1.png |
| 16:19.23 | valdyn | mischief: its documented |
| 16:19.27 | abrotman | ajavid: uhm .. no, that's e16 .. e17 hasn't even been released yet |
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| 16:19.30 | jelly | abrotman: if it is stoned, definitely yes |
| 16:19.30 | valdyn | mischief: do we need to google for you? |
| 16:19.32 | mischief | valdyn, for right now i just want to set it so that closing the lid does not cause it to sleep :\ |
| 16:19.32 | ajavid | oh |
| 16:19.36 | jpinx-eeepc | doesn't have /ignore in pidgin |
| 16:19.37 | abrotman | jelly: hehe |
| 16:19.40 | mischief | valdyn, yes, i have no idea where to begin |
| 16:19.42 | valdyn | mischief: oh, thats something else |
| 16:19.47 | jpinx-eeepc | would prefer a gun |
| 16:19.52 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: you can type it into your client |
| 16:19.53 | valdyn | mischief: are you using some desktop environment? |
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| 16:20.03 | ajavid | jpinx-eeepc, than quit complaining and just go with the flow, I type fast, too much, and over many lines, though thats actually improved lately. |
| 16:20.07 | mischief | valdyn, xfce4 |
| 16:20.24 | valdyn | mischief: it should have its own GUI for this setting |
| 16:20.33 | valdyn | mischief: alternatively, the scripts are in /etc/acpi/ |
| 16:20.39 | ajavid | jpinx-eeepc, you're a grumpy ol' grampa today. Cut it out. |
| 16:20.40 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: /ignore is an unknown command in pidgin |
| 16:20.49 | abrotman | really ? |
| 16:20.53 | abrotman | ajavid: stop with the name calling |
| 16:20.56 | jpinx-eeepc | and typing fast is no excuse for being a pita ajavid |
| 16:21.12 | ajavid | abrotman, what? that not namecalling. don't pull that shit on me. |
| 16:21.21 | mischief | valdyn, yeah i expected to find something on the menu, but nothing that i can see |
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| 16:23.14 | jpinx-eeepc | Yanch0: are you still here? |
| 16:23.38 | jpinx-eeepc | sorry for the thoughtless ranting of that guy - |
| 16:23.39 | Yanch0 | yes jpinx-eeepc - i am reading soem tutorials to mount using udev so always have the same mounting point :) |
| 16:23.57 | ajavid | mount point or device node? |
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| 16:24.47 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Yanch0 about mount |
| 16:25.02 | jpinx-eeepc | damn bot's down |
| 16:25.07 | creature_ | where does fusesmb keep its errorlogs? |
| 16:25.08 | Yanch0 | ajavid i think that woudl be device node |
| 16:25.08 | jelly | &mount |
| 16:25.14 | jelly | %mount |
| 16:25.22 | abrotman | they're dead jim |
| 16:25.22 | Yanch0 | ie mount according to ATTRS{} |
| 16:25.29 | jelly | that's impossible |
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| 16:25.44 | abrotman | Yanch0: you want to use a udev rule to mount based on some criteria ? |
| 16:25.53 | Yanch0 | yes |
| 16:26.00 | ajavid | thats what I though, dev node. |
| 16:26.02 | xingu | jelly: no, just highly improbable |
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| 16:26.08 | Yanch0 | ATTRS{configuration}=="USB Mass Storage", ATTRS{product}=="USB to ATA/ATAPI Bridge", ATTRS{serial}=="222262A50472", SYMLINK="usbhd" |
| 16:26.08 | ajavid | you don't need udev to make mount points :) |
| 16:26.27 | ajavid | xingu, engage the inifinite improbability drive! |
| 16:26.33 | jelly | uses pmount |
| 16:26.40 | jelly | or was it usbmount? |
| 16:26.44 | ajavid | pmount is a wrapper on mount isn't it? |
| 16:26.47 | abrotman | ajavid: he wants udev to detect the device and mount it in a different place depending on the device .. i'm assuming |
| 16:26.52 | ajavid | mounting of removable storage for users |
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| 16:26.58 | ajavid | abrotman, i see |
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| 16:27.39 | jpinx-eeepc | ajavid: do not pm me |
| 16:27.51 | ajavid | I'll do what I want when I want. |
| 16:28.17 | adb | ... |
| 16:28.38 | abrotman | ajavid: he asked you not to msg him, respect that |
| 16:28.41 | ajavid | jpinx-eeepc, and I'm not messageing with support questions, I'm asking you to calm down and not create scenes. |
| 16:28.44 | Yanch0 | mount: special device /dev/usbhd does not exist <- how to resart the udev? |
| 16:28.48 | ajavid | abrotman, sure. |
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| 16:30.42 | ajavid | Yanch0, /etc/init.d/udev restart |
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| 16:30.57 | Yanch0 | thanks :) |
| 16:31.05 | ajavid | yup |
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| 16:31.58 | ajavid | valdyn, btw my irssi exists in a screen session in laptop, while I have screen on my desktop for other stuff. Anyway to consolidate both screens in one? |
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| 16:33.28 | ajavid | if I issue commands on screen o laptop, obviously thats a diff screen than one on desktop (AARGH I DUNNO SCREEN!) |
| 16:33.30 | Yanch0 | i did : sudo mount -a and no errors but /media/filed which is being done by fstab rule : /dev/usbhd /media/filed vfat user,noauto 0 0 is empty but no errors .. any idea where and what i can fix please? |
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| 16:33.49 | ajavid | mount -a = no errors = success |
| 16:34.16 | ajavid | if there are no errors, what are you trying to fix? |
| 16:34.31 | Yanch0 | the fact that its empty .. when know for sure there are files |
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| 16:35.54 | Yanch0 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2009-05-25 18:30 usbhd -> sda1 || brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 8, 1 2009-05-25 18:30 sda1 <- i dont think its xactly what i was expecting heh :) |
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| 16:36.44 | sylarrr | does the kernel computes something to minimize head seeks? |
| 16:37.30 | ajavid | i see |
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| 16:38.18 | ajavid | abrotman, we kissed n made up in #debian-chat |
| 16:38.18 | mythomaniac | anyone know of the utility program that would allow one to see what ip connection was the fastest, say for like looking at which if the freenode servers was fastest to connect to? |
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| 16:38.28 | Hiro_N | sylarr, is that you? |
| 16:38.30 | abrotman | i'm skeptical |
| 16:38.32 | ajavid | i was like the guy knows me, we go way back how come doesn't kno wme |
| 16:38.36 | ajavid | new nick |
| 16:38.38 | ajavid | ajavid :) |
| 16:38.49 | sylarrr | Hiro_N, muha ha ha haha |
| 16:39.11 | ajavid | jpinx-eeepc, my man! |
| 16:39.19 | Hiro_N | Save the cheerleader! |
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| 16:39.31 | ajavid | Screw the Princess, Save The Castle! |
| 16:39.39 | jelly | mythomaniac: you could try bing, perhaps |
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| 16:40.29 | jelly | mythomaniac: but note that unannounced hammering an ip might be interpreted as an attack |
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| 16:41.17 | mythomaniac | jelly, does it test a series of ips - because there was one utility that could that in debian, but i forget the name... |
| 16:41.35 | jelly | mythomaniac: nope |
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| 16:42.49 | mythomaniac | jelly, yeah this one would test against a series of ips and give the one that allows for fastest connection, or has the lowest latency |
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| 16:44.31 | jelly | I remember using something similar when setting up an irc server |
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| 16:46.13 | bookmark | hey is there some way to have apt-get download all of the archives that you have installed? |
| 16:46.16 | bookmark | so you can burn them |
| 16:46.25 | bookmark | er.. packaages rather |
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| 16:46.49 | bookmark | does dpkg -l list everything that is installed? |
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| 16:47.31 | bookmark | ill brb |
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| 16:50.06 | ajavid | he left |
| 16:50.24 | ajavid | isn't everything in /var/cache/apt/soemthin |
| 16:50.47 | \amethyst | ajavid: plenty of things that aren't installed, too |
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| 16:51.09 | joe-mac | anybody got a link on how-to force apt to get certain packages through a specific repo? |
| 16:51.21 | \amethyst | ajavid: oh... I missed the first part of bookmark's question |
| 16:51.25 | ajavid | :) |
| 16:51.35 | ajavid | Product Version: NetBeans IDE Dev (Build 200905250201) - 6.7beta |
| 16:51.43 | \amethyst | ~pinning |
| 16:51.43 | apt | well, pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200212/msg00659.html |
| 16:51.48 | \amethyst | hm |
| 16:51.52 | ajavid | Version: 6.0.1+dfsg-2 |
| 16:51.59 | ajavid | thats from sid |
| 16:52.03 | \amethyst | joe-mac: man apt_preferences anyway |
| 16:52.06 | ajavid | 6.0.1.... 6.7 |
| 16:52.20 | ajavid | there seems to be a huge gap, do you think the package is abandoned/orphaned? |
| 16:52.29 | ajavid | no one has updated netbeans in years |
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| 16:52.31 | joe-mac | thanks guys, will investigate pinning |
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| 16:53.48 | bookmark | hi, how can i pipe dpkg -l into apt-get install -d? |
| 16:54.17 | ajavid | [2008-09-18] netbeans-ide 6.0.1+dfsg-2 MIGRATED to testing (Britney) |
| 16:54.22 | ajavid | :/ |
| 16:54.34 | \amethyst | ajavid: the changelog from the last major release (6.0+dfsg-1) says the package is going to be split into netbeans6-*. This hasn't happened yet |
| 16:54.44 | \amethyst | ajavid: last upload was August |
| 16:54.47 | ajavid | [2008-09-06] Accepted 6.0.1+dfsg-2 in unstable (low) (Daniel Baumann) |
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| 16:55.16 | ajavid | hmm |
| 16:55.23 | ajavid | I wonder if they need help |
| 16:55.26 | ajavid | I could email the maint |
| 16:55.39 | abrotman | he is on IRC |
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| 16:56.27 | ajavid | I love the new netbeans, php build, 25mb dl, 90mb installed, about as featureful as zend studio 6 |
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| 16:56.51 | ajavid | the only thing is, the editor will not render aa fonts, while rest of the app gui is aa fonts |
| 16:57.02 | ajavid | but anyway, whats his irc nick? which channel? |
| 16:57.25 | \amethyst | ajavid: he has nearly 200 packages, so I'm sure offering help wouldn't hurt :) nick is panthera according to http://www.daniel-baumann.ch/contact.html |
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| 16:58.08 | ajavid | fantastic |
| 16:58.13 | ajavid | he has 189 packages |
| 16:58.15 | ajavid | :) |
| 16:58.30 | adb | panthera on #debian-live on oftc |
| 16:58.47 | ajavid | fantastic |
| 16:59.02 | RichiH | what is the minimal size of a debian installation, these days? |
| 16:59.13 | abrotman | 250MB ish? |
| 16:59.18 | RichiH | after a fresh netinstall, say |
| 16:59.21 | ajavid | round about |
| 16:59.25 | ajavid | 300~ish |
| 16:59.29 | abrotman | i'm sure you could get it smaller if you started taking stuff out |
| 16:59.31 | \amethyst | bookmark: aptitude -d install '~i' but you might need reinstall instead |
| 16:59.41 | ajavid | I wonder... |
| 16:59.45 | \amethyst | bookmark: (since install normally doesn't do anything if the package is already installed) |
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| 17:00.58 | ajavid | RichiH, not sure if this will help |
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| 17:01.01 | ajavid | RichiH, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 17:01.18 | ajavid | RichiH, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds02.html.en |
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| 17:01.34 | RichiH | neat, thanks |
| 17:01.37 | ajavid | np |
| 17:01.40 | bookmark | sweet thanks \amethyst |
| 17:01.52 | ajavid | RichiH, the 2nd link is very useful to you I think |
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| 17:02.00 | bookmark | will this redownload what i already have? |
| 17:02.09 | \amethyst | bookmark: probably |
| 17:02.15 | bookmark | doesn't matter either way |
| 17:02.19 | \amethyst | bookmark: I'm not certain |
| 17:02.24 | bookmark | ill put in dvd if i have to |
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| 17:02.58 | ajavid | A minimal base installation, without the âStandard systemâ task selected, will take 250MB, including all standard packages and using the default 2.6 kernel, takes up 397MB |
| 17:03.03 | ajavid | wow, pretty precise numbers |
| 17:03.19 | bookmark | oh snap i almost forgot that i need an email client |
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| 17:05.05 | bookmark | wings3d is own |
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| 17:07.00 | bookmark | \amethyst: are you there? |
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| 17:08.17 | abrotman | bookmark: just ask your question |
| 17:09.15 | bookmark | does a deb package know it has dependencies? or only the apt system? |
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| 17:09.43 | snama | info file inside the package |
| 17:09.47 | snama | am i right? |
| 17:10.00 | bookmark | ok so if i have a bunch of deb files and im not hooked up to apt |
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| 17:10.12 | bookmark | is ther going to be any problem telling them all to install? |
| 17:10.24 | bookmark | i mean i have them ALL |
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| 17:10.30 | jelly | bookmark: you can easily set up a local repository in a directory. |
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| 17:10.40 | bookmark | yeah i have that |
| 17:10.45 | bookmark | 402M |
| 17:11.19 | bookmark | i just did: aptitude -d reinstall '~i' |
| 17:11.33 | bookmark | so if i install the base debian but never connect to a repository |
| 17:11.42 | bookmark | i can just dpkg -i * ? and i'm good? |
| 17:12.03 | bookmark | or will these packages gripe? |
| 17:12.07 | jelly | bookmark: Don't do that, make a local repo and use apt. |
| 17:12.13 | jelly | or aptitude |
| 17:12.22 | bookmark | so can i just make a cd? |
| 17:12.26 | snama | so that it installs in order |
| 17:12.45 | jelly | bookmark: are you reading ANYTHING we write? |
| 17:12.48 | bookmark | wodim ninja cd |
| 17:12.59 | mythomaniac | jelly, it was called netselect ;) |
| 17:13.06 | jelly | mythomaniac: right! |
| 17:13.09 | bookmark | well sure but i dunno how to make a local respository is all |
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| 17:13.43 | jelly | bookmark: put them all in the same directory, run dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz |
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| 17:13.59 | bookmark | nice |
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| 17:14.13 | jelly | bookmark: ... in it, then add "deb file:/path/to/dir ./" to sources.list |
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| 17:15.07 | jelly | bookmark: update, and have an (unsigned) repository to install packages from |
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| 17:15.22 | bookmark | ok so the Packages.gz could go anywhere at that point? |
| 17:15.51 | acidslep | wow! idle 2500 minutes, i have been. |
| 17:15.52 | jelly | bookmark: run the command in that directory. |
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| 17:16.14 | Rapp | which format do the timestamps in debian/changelog files have to be, so that dpkg-build works? |
| 17:16.18 | bookmark | its working |
| 17:16.29 | bookmark | Wrote 500 entries to output Packages file. |
| 17:16.32 | jelly | Rapp: date --rfc-2822 |
| 17:17.14 | bookmark | except i forgot to get my mail program haha |
| 17:17.20 | Rapp | jelly: thanks! |
| 17:17.26 | bookmark | oh yah thanks guys |
| 17:17.46 | jelly | Rapp: in fact, dpkg used to have a separate 822-date program just for that purpose |
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| 17:18.12 | acidslep | Ive a problem with X, when i add a graphics card to a system, my xorg.conf no longer works. it worked fine before driving 2 monitors. It is brought back down to 1 display, the second one will give no errors but is not displaying anything. |
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| 17:19.18 | valdyn | acidslep: and we are supposed to guess the rest? |
| 17:19.33 | bookmark | jelly: does Packages.gz have to be named that? |
| 17:19.54 | valdyn | acidslep: did you change *anything* else, like plugging your monitors into the 2nd card? |
| 17:19.59 | acidslep | nope |
| 17:20.11 | acidslep | the ONLY changed factor was the addition of the second graphics card. |
| 17:20.26 | valdyn | acidslep: now its defaulting to using the 2nd card as 2nd display |
| 17:20.32 | acidslep | making a total of 2 + the integrated chipset. |
| 17:20.35 | acidslep | but the xorg.conf is the same one! |
| 17:20.57 | valdyn | acidslep: so plug the monitor into the other card to confirm this |
| 17:21.04 | valdyn | acidslep: and try all gfx ports you have |
| 17:21.11 | acidslep | alright. |
| 17:21.16 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/RandR |
| 17:21.23 | acidslep | but in the devices section the busid is specified, i don't see how that can change |
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| 17:21.42 | valdyn | acidslep: in both sections? |
| 17:21.49 | acidslep | yes |
| 17:21.56 | acidslep | should i pastebin the conf? |
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| 17:22.14 | valdyn | acidslep: sure |
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| 17:23.07 | valdyn | acidslep: just running xrandr should list the connected screens too |
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| 17:24.04 | jelly | bookmark: yes |
| 17:24.19 | creature_ | anyone have a script to mount all samba shares? |
| 17:24.24 | jelly | bookmark: well, it may also be uncompressed |
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| 17:25.10 | bookmark | thank you again :) |
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| 17:25.20 | solar_ant | hi all |
| 17:25.27 | solar_ant | I get the following error in apache log |
| 17:25.29 | bookmark | does anyone know a good gui pop3 dealio? |
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| 17:25.35 | jelly | creature_: where do you get a list of all the shares? |
| 17:25.36 | solar_ant | it apparently is spit out by the kernel |
| 17:25.37 | solar_ant | (32)Broken pipe: core_output_filter: writing data to the network |
| 17:25.43 | solar_ant | can someone please help me solve this? |
| 17:25.43 | valdyn | bookmark: whats a dealio? |
| 17:25.56 | creature_ | jelly: with smbclient |
| 17:25.58 | valdyn | solar_ant: the kernel does not report about pipes |
| 17:26.06 | bookmark | like a thingamahdoohickie |
| 17:26.22 | jelly | creature_: so, all the shares from a single file server? |
| 17:26.27 | creature_ | yup |
| 17:26.48 | solar_ant | thanks valdyn |
| 17:27.01 | valdyn | solar_ant: you had programs communicating thru a pipe ( "|" ), one ended unexpected |
| 17:27.01 | jelly | creature_: I guess you could use autofs if you plan on doing that often |
| 17:27.32 | \amethyst | solar_ant: do you run any CGIs or other web apps? |
| 17:27.45 | solar_ant | \amethyst: just php |
| 17:27.59 | solar_ant | it happens only when I try more than 600 concurrent users |
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| 17:28.07 | solar_ant | requests* |
| 17:28.15 | valdyn | bookmark: come back when you know what you want |
| 17:28.23 | jelly | creature_: then accesing a directory like /smb/server/ makes autofs mount all the shares under /smb/server/share1, /smb/server/share2 etc |
| 17:28.27 | solar_ant | valdyn: I dont think so |
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| 17:28.37 | creature_ | that sounds cool |
| 17:28.41 | valdyn | solar_ant: well, its not an ambigous error message |
| 17:28.53 | valdyn | solar_ant: so stop thinking ;) |
| 17:28.55 | \amethyst | solar_ant: is there anything more in the error logs? |
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| 17:29.14 | solar_ant | valdyn: there is nothing in else in the log |
| 17:29.26 | solar_ant | valdyn: :) |
| 17:29.38 | solar_ant | \amethyst: there is nothing else in the log |
| 17:29.39 | gpm | hi, which package is in charge of the menu coming up in gnome when you push alt-f1, or the run program box when you push alt-f2? these shortcuts aren't working for me and i want to check the bts but don't know where to start... |
| 17:29.42 | solar_ant | valdyn: i dont understand |
| 17:29.48 | bookmark | i just wonder if anyone knows of a good graphic (not curse) pop3 email program? |
| 17:29.59 | bookmark | smtp |
| 17:30.00 | valdyn | solar_ant: maybe you really meant to talk to amethyst |
| 17:30.03 | gpm | bookmark: thunderbird? |
| 17:30.10 | bookmark | ok? |
| 17:30.14 | abrotman | bookmark: apt-cache search pop3 ? |
| 17:30.31 | solar_ant | valdyn: I dont understand how is it not ambigous |
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| 17:30.42 | solar_ant | valdyn: help me intepret it |
| 17:30.49 | linuxopjemac | is theresome to help me please ? |
| 17:30.49 | valdyn | solar_ant: it simply means what i said |
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| 17:30.57 | snama | try the other one if you want better integration into gnome |
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| 17:31.03 | abrotman | linuxopjemac: ask your question |
| 17:31.03 | snama | what its called? |
| 17:31.04 | linuxopjemac | I am trying to "make" a program |
| 17:31.04 | gpm | linuxopjemac: there are lots of people. ask away. |
| 17:31.11 | abrotman | snama: evolution |
| 17:31.12 | linuxopjemac | I get an error |
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| 17:31.18 | snama | yeah |
| 17:31.22 | valdyn | solar_ant: you just dont know which program died, and i have no idea at all what could have died becauzse i have nfc what you are running |
| 17:31.27 | linuxopjemac | can I paste the error here ? |
| 17:31.31 | gpm | no |
| 17:31.37 | gpm | !tell linuxopjemac about paste |
| 17:31.41 | abrotman | linuxopjemac: paste.debian.net |
| 17:31.42 | abrotman | gpm: bot dead |
| 17:31.48 | gpm | abrotman: :( |
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| 17:31.54 | solar_ant | valdyn: it is just apache with php mysql on a nfs filesystem |
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| 17:32.22 | valdyn | solar_ant: theres alot more in the log |
| 17:32.36 | valdyn | solar_ant: at the very least a timestamp |
| 17:32.54 | linuxopjemac | gpm: you want me to paste it in paste.debian.net ? |
| 17:33.00 | valdyn | solar_ant: and you are hiding from us that the message looks like:[Wed Jul 18 10:29:51 2007] [info] [client XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX] (32)Broken pipe: core_output_filter: writing... ? |
| 17:33.13 | gpm | linuxopjemac: no, go to paste.debian.net, use the website, it's pretty intuitive |
| 17:33.24 | linuxopjemac | ok |
| 17:33.29 | linuxopjemac | they can help me there ? |
| 17:33.32 | gpm | no |
| 17:33.45 | gpm | but you can paste your stuff there for us to look at without flooding the channel |
| 17:33.47 | acidslep | ok here are the xorg.conf files and the xorg.0.log files: http://pastebin.com/d1842a67c -- http://pastebin.com/d6f1f61d5 the only thing i change to make this stop working (stop using both screens) is to _put in_ an additional graphics card. I don't connect or change anything else. im not using the new graphics card, just putting it in. |
| 17:33.50 | linuxopjemac | ok |
| 17:33.54 | linuxopjemac | I will do it |
| 17:33.56 | valdyn | solar_ant: which distro or debian release are you running? |
| 17:33.57 | gpm | good |
| 17:33.58 | linuxopjemac | thanks gpm |
| 17:34.01 | gpm | np |
| 17:34.06 | linuxopjemac | :0 |
| 17:34.10 | \amethyst | solar_ant: ah, NFS... |
| 17:34.14 | bookmark | ok how about this, does anyone know a dead simple to use pop3 smtp text based mail fetcher/sender? |
| 17:34.19 | \amethyst | solar_ant: does EnableSendfile Off in the config fix it? |
| 17:34.24 | valdyn | bookmark: mutt |
| 17:34.29 | acidslep | must take his leave |
| 17:34.29 | gpm | lol |
| 17:35.05 | solar_ant | valdyn: yes the format conatin the timestamp and the client ip I thought it was irrelevant |
| 17:35.21 | bookmark | thanks |
| 17:35.37 | solar_ant | \Amethyst let me try |
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| 17:35.48 | valdyn | solar_ant: http://www.issociate.de/board/post/284784/Apache_2.1.9_-_core_output_filter:_writing_data_to_the_network_errors,_when_downloading_large_files.html |
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| 17:36.16 | \amethyst | valdyn: he's not getting connection reset by peer, thuogh |
| 17:36.56 | solar_ant | yes I am not getting connection reset by peer |
| 17:37.00 | solar_ant | I have just added this |
| 17:37.07 | solar_ant | i am starting the jmeter servers |
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| 17:37.14 | solar_ant | will check quickly and update you |
| 17:37.25 | solar_ant | thanks valdyn \Amethyst |
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| 17:37.37 | linuxopjemac | gpm: I pasted the error |
| 17:38.09 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | after going to squeeze im getting these errors on boot ... warning all config files need .config |
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| 17:38.28 | creature_ | this autofs looks like really complicated |
| 17:38.43 | valdyn | solar_ant: some apache misconfiguration, i cant really debug it |
| 17:38.43 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | i have done some reading and it looks normal but has any one seen a work around?/ |
| 17:38.55 | solar_ant | valdyn: thanks anyways |
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| 17:39.01 | \amethyst | solar_ant: if it was the sendfile thing, you would have gotten the error when sending static files that are located on NFS |
| 17:39.21 | \amethyst | solar_ant: sendfile isn't used for dynamic content |
| 17:39.28 | valdyn | amd64deb-2-6-24: its not an error, just ignore those warnings |
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| 17:40.07 | solar_ant | \amethyst I doubt it is the sendfile thing cause I tried move the files to a non NFS folder and it still had the same problem |
| 17:40.10 | valdyn | amd64deb-2-6-24: or ignore those errors for debian provided files and fix your custom files |
| 17:40.21 | solar_ant | \amethyst I am still testing it though |
| 17:40.56 | linuxopjemac | anyone to have a look at my error on paste.debian.net ? |
| 17:41.09 | abrotman | linuxopjemac: you're supposed to give us the URL |
| 17:41.30 | linuxopjemac | http://paste.debian.net/37066 |
| 17:41.32 | gpm | linuxopjemac: you have to give us a link to the paste.... |
| 17:41.34 | abrotman | linuxopjemac: it's telling you that db.h is missing |
| 17:41.58 | linuxopjemac | I have no idea |
| 17:42.04 | linuxopjemac | it's from a tarball |
| 17:42.12 | linuxopjemac | it should normally work right ? |
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| 17:43.11 | \amethyst | linuxopjemac: you need the development packages for the libraries that it uses |
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| 17:43.52 | linuxopjemac | which development packages ? |
| 17:43.53 | gpm | wow |
| 17:43.58 | \amethyst | linuxopjemac: this one is from libdb4.5-dev |
| 17:44.07 | linuxopjemac | ok |
| 17:44.12 | linuxopjemac | I'll install that |
| 17:44.19 | \amethyst | linuxopjemac: unless you're using etch, in which case you need libdb4.4-dev |
| 17:44.30 | linuxopjemac | no this is lenny-ppc |
| 17:44.46 | \amethyst | linuxopjemac: it may need other development libraries, too; you should read the program's documentation to see what it requires |
| 17:44.59 | \amethyst | linuxopjemac: in Debian development packages typically look like lib*-dev |
| 17:45.27 | linuxopjemac | ok |
| 17:45.30 | linuxopjemac | I knew that |
| 17:45.53 | linuxopjemac | but I didn't know that when it can't find a .h file, it was due to dev package |
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| 17:46.52 | linuxopjemac | /home/jeroen/gdictthai-0.0.4/src/dictionary.c:17: undefined reference to `db_create' |
| 17:46.55 | linuxopjemac | after make |
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| 17:47.27 | linuxopjemac | it went further than before installing libdb4.5-dev |
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| 17:49.23 | \amethyst | linuxopjemac: hm... db_create should be there |
| 17:49.45 | linuxopjemac | http://paste.debian.net/37068/ |
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| 17:49.52 | solar_ant | \amethyst I think the sendfile off did the trick :) |
| 17:49.53 | solar_ant | thanks |
| 17:50.06 | creature_ | jelly: the autofs doesn't work |
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| 17:51.13 | \amethyst | linuxopjemac: you probably need to re-run configure |
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| 17:51.35 | \amethyst | linuxopjemac: it's not trying to link against the db library, probably because configure didn't find it |
| 17:51.36 | linuxopjemac | aha |
| 17:51.50 | linuxopjemac | good idea \amethyst |
| 17:51.55 | linuxopjemac | I'll try that |
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| 17:53.44 | linuxopjemac | checking for db_env_create in -ldb-4.7... no |
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| 17:54.38 | \amethyst | linuxopjemac: does it keep going and try -ldb-4.5 ? |
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| 17:55.11 | linuxopjemac | you mean as ./configure -ldb-4.5 ? |
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| 17:55.20 | linuxopjemac | as to force to use that lib ? |
| 17:55.43 | \amethyst | linuxopjemac: no, I mean, if you run just plain ./configure does it try only 4.7 or 4.5 too? |
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| 17:55.51 | mischief | anyone know if mod_perl works with with apache2 mpm worker? |
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| 17:56.00 | linuxopjemac | probably only 4.5, how can I tell |
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| 17:56.39 | linuxopjemac | I'll paste the ./configure output \amethyst |
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| 17:57.50 | linuxopjemac | http://paste.debian.net/37069/ |
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| 17:59.28 | creature_ | when a program opens a filemanager what defines what filemanger it opens? |
| 17:59.51 | creature_ | like for example when iceweasel asks where to save a file |
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| 18:00.22 | enouf | in soviet russia, filemanglers open you! |
| 18:00.35 | creature_ | lol i bet |
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| 18:07.43 | creature_ | would be fucking awesome if the samba shares would be part of the filesystem |
| 18:10.18 | creature_ | but not you gotta fucking manually make directories and manually mount the shares |
| 18:10.23 | creature_ | and then add them to fstab |
| 18:11.06 | linuxopjemac | anyone to look in http://paste.debian.net/37069/ ? |
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| 18:11.36 | bookmark | hey does anyone here use elmo? |
| 18:12.31 | sepult | what's elmo ? |
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| 18:12.53 | ballessay | hi |
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| 18:15.55 | ballessay | whats going on with libc? |
| 18:15.56 | bookmark | it is libcalicious |
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| 18:16.37 | sepult | üä |
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| 18:16.58 | ballessay | after todays upgrade dns isn't working, again |
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| 18:18.35 | SQlvpapir | best transparent proxy layer for debian repos? |
| 18:18.39 | SQlvpapir | exclusively I might add |
| 18:19.09 | bookmark | does anyone know of a decent notepad type of program that doesn't use gnome or kde? |
| 18:19.21 | bookmark | oh nevermind |
| 18:19.24 | bookmark | bye! |
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| 18:19.46 | mr3d | hi everybody |
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| 18:19.53 | mr3d | i need some help... |
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| 18:20.29 | mr3d | i want to have my hdd mounted as rw for users, i have it rw in fstab |
| 18:20.35 | mr3d | but it doesnt work... |
| 18:20.41 | mr3d | how do i do it? |
| 18:20.44 | \amethyst | mr3d: what filesystem? |
| 18:20.48 | mr3d | ext3 |
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| 18:21.13 | \amethyst | mr3d: then you need to change the permissions of the directories/files on the filesystem |
| 18:21.50 | mr3d | ok, using chmod?? |
| 18:21.55 | \amethyst | mr3d: yes |
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| 18:22.02 | \amethyst | mr3d: do you want anybody to be able to read or write any file, to create new files, and to delete files? |
| 18:22.09 | mr3d | howw? i didn't quite understand manual |
| 18:22.17 | mr3d | \amethyst: yes |
| 18:22.37 | \amethyst | mr3d: chmod -R ugo+rwX /mount/point after it is mounted |
| 18:22.46 | mr3d | thanks |
| 18:23.30 | \amethyst | mr3d: it will still be possible for users to make files not readable/writable though |
| 18:23.38 | jamesstanley | anyone know why 1.) cdrecord and wodim appear to be synonymous; and 2.) wodim/cdrecord can't open the scsi driver? |
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| 18:24.16 | mr3d | \amethyst: i can live with that, i am single user |
| 18:24.28 | sepult | how can i get rid of a packages entry, for when there is no more files of the package are left ? |
| 18:24.35 | sepult | in apt or dpkg |
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| 18:29.35 | mr3d | thanks for the help and bye :) |
| 18:30.10 | charitwo | !ops KaNuN onjoin spam |
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| 18:30.43 | tomaw | charitwo: thanks |
| 18:30.51 | charitwo | :) |
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| 18:31.08 | tomaw | hah, moments from an automated cycle anyway |
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| 18:32.42 | charitwo | every hour or so? |
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| 18:35.18 | jelly-home | what's worse, the page spamvertized doesn't have promised free pron at all |
| 18:35.23 | ballessay | nslookup works fine |
| 18:36.14 | ballessay | but no dns-resolviing in other apps like elinks, iceweasel |
| 18:36.51 | user_corrupt | im trying to figure out how to enable the sid (unstable) repository with synaptic in lenny....does anyone know where I can find the URL to add? |
| 18:37.01 | jelly-home | ballessay: does "getent hosts google.com" work? |
| 18:37.48 | ballessay | jelly-home: yes just like nslookup |
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| 18:38.15 | jelly-home | ballessay: well, other apps should works as well then |
| 18:38.27 | ballessay | jelly-home: but they don't |
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| 18:39.55 | jelly-home | that's interesting, since the getent command uses the libc resolver just like a browser would |
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| 18:48.17 | keith4_ | how do I stop totem from auto-playing DVDs? |
| 18:50.00 | ballessay | keith4: nautilus-file-management-properties |
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| 18:55.15 | ballessay | pah.... downgraded to libc6-2.9.6 and now it works again.... |
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| 19:00.52 | enouf | dpkg: ahoy! |
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| 19:09.24 | SQlvpapir | oh btw.. had pxe working just fine with same parameters as last night.. and no reboots or any other difference.. very weird :S |
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| 19:10.17 | sandrino1 | qualcuno qui ha installato la debian su un nas con processore arm? |
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| 19:11.26 | leejongwook | hello ~ |
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| 19:12.11 | SPF | !it | sandrino1 |
| 19:12.14 | leejongwook | ia64 <--- is this multi architech version ? |
| 19:12.32 | mikexcr | only intel 64bit |
| 19:12.44 | leejongwook | and 32bit also ? |
| 19:12.50 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 19:12.51 | sandrino1 | has anyone installed debian in a arm based nas? |
| 19:12.52 | leejongwook | what is ia stands for ? |
| 19:12.56 | HardDisk_WP | i got an USB IrDA adapter |
| 19:12.56 | HardDisk_WP | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.00 | mrAZ | I am compiling 2.6.29 , after make-kpkg .. there is a line : "Can't open debian/control:" anyone has an idea why ? |
| 19:13.08 | HardDisk_WP | how do I use it to catch signals from my tv remote and replay them? |
| 19:13.29 | adama_ | sandrino1: people have, the Internet can tell you all about it |
| 19:13.35 | leejongwook | ia64 == intel amd 64bit ? |
| 19:13.46 | adama_ | leejongwook: Intel Architecture |
| 19:13.49 | creature_ | lol |
| 19:13.50 | leejongwook | i see :) |
| 19:13.52 | leejongwook | thanks :) |
| 19:13.59 | sandrino1 | i would like to ear from someone an opinion about that |
| 19:14.08 | user_corrupt | im pretty new to linux, and I am about to run ./configure in the source folder of a package that I just downloaded (as per included install instructions) the folder is currently sitting on my desktop....should i move it somewhere else first? |
| 19:14.24 | adama_ | user_corrupt: nope, that's fine |
| 19:14.52 | jpinx-eeepc | user_corrupt: better if you can use aptitude |
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| 19:15.07 | leejongwook | adama_: what if i want x86, download i386 (?) |
| 19:15.18 | wildc4rd | ia64 tends to be the Itanium flavour think |
| 19:15.21 | user_corrupt | its in the unstable repository, and I couldnt find the url to add that |
| 19:15.31 | abrotman | user_corrupt: which software? |
| 19:15.36 | abrotman | wildc4rd: not tends to be .. it is |
| 19:15.38 | buntfalke | hi |
| 19:15.39 | user_corrupt | ZoneMinder |
| 19:15.46 | leejongwook | i386 == x86 (?) |
| 19:15.52 | adama_ | leejongwook: sure, or 686 |
| 19:15.53 | buntfalke | is there volatile/~sloppy for testing? or only (old)stable? |
| 19:15.53 | user_corrupt | its CCTV software |
| 19:16.01 | leejongwook | :) THANKS |
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| 19:16.10 | jpinx-eeepc | user_corrupt: is it in backports maybe? |
| 19:16.11 | billywayne | user_corrupt: use checkinstall instead of `make install` |
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| 19:16.44 | leejongwook | adama_: but i only can see [alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc] <-- these |
| 19:16.47 | user_corrupt | am i definately screwed if some of the dependancies werent available? |
| 19:16.53 | leejongwook | which is i686x86 ? |
| 19:17.00 | abrotman | leejongwook: i386 |
| 19:17.06 | leejongwook | ok :) |
| 19:17.11 | adama_ | yes' |
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| 19:17.25 | leejongwook | :) |
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| 19:18.09 | leejongwook | thanks all ~ :) bye bye ~ |
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| 19:18.39 | mrAZ | i can't get new kernel not to panic. i use --initrd, it IS mounting on correct part (/dev/sda1) it IS sata, but i get just panic not able to mount fs on (0,0) |
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| 19:19.55 | \amethyst | http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/ch10s05.html ? |
| 19:19.57 | \amethyst | doh |
| 19:20.00 | jpinx-eeepc | user_corrupt: if you don't know what you're doing exactly - you need to use aptitude or at least dpkg |
| 19:20.39 | adama_ | mrAZ: there is a sda /hda translation issue that causes that. I can't remember the details |
| 19:20.59 | user_corrupt | jpinx-eepc: ok, well I just typed ./configure...is it too late to turn back? |
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| 19:21.30 | mrAZ | adama_ my old kernel mounts on sda1 fine. |
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| 19:22.42 | adama_ | user_corrupt: configure/make/make install is fine, if there's no deb package available |
| 19:23.09 | jpinx-eeepc | user_corrupt: probably - I hope you're reasonably expert ;) |
| 19:23.24 | user_corrupt | there is one, but its in unstable, and i dont know the url/cant find it, to add that repository |
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| 19:24.37 | user_corrupt | anyone know the url to the unstable repository? |
| 19:25.23 | jpinx-eeepc | user_corrupt: do aptitude search zoneminder |
| 19:25.34 | deus___ | Hi, for whatever reason my eth1 isn't starting up by default (while booting), but it's configured static in /etc/network/interfaces, what could be a reason for this? |
| 19:25.34 | jpinx-eeepc | it's there ;) |
| 19:25.42 | user_corrupt | thanks |
| 19:25.45 | jpinx-eeepc | user_corrupt: in stable |
| 19:25.53 | user_corrupt | oh, cool |
| 19:25.54 | jpinx-eeepc | !search |
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| 19:26.11 | jpinx-eeepc | where's that f-ing bot when you need it? |
| 19:26.14 | enouf | mrAZ: you have fakeroot installed? |
| 19:26.49 | jpinx-eeepc | hopes that user_corruptcan roll back whatever install is currently going on |
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| 19:28.52 | user_corrupt | jpinx-eeepc: yeah, i did do a ./configure....what might I need to do to reverse that? also, "aptitude search zoneminder" is not doing anything as of now... |
| 19:28.56 | bor0 | I made my USB bootable by putting the netinst iso but when I boot the installation from my USB it says that it cannot find the cd-rom. what do I do so that it tries to read the install files from the USB instead othe cd-rom? |
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| 19:29.28 | jpinx-eeepc | user_corrupt: what are you using - lenny ? |
| 19:29.33 | user_corrupt | yeah |
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| 19:29.52 | enouf | bor0: loop mount the iso? |
| 19:30.09 | bor0 | loop mount? |
| 19:30.12 | enouf | !usb install |
| 19:30.24 | enouf | oh .. she's off today |
| 19:30.30 | bor0 | :) |
| 19:30.33 | jpinx-eeepc | user_corrupt: odd -me too and I get mythzoneminder -a system for monitoring cctv cameras |
| 19:30.47 | enouf | apt: you there? |
| 19:30.47 | apt | Of course I am! |
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| 19:31.00 | enouf | ~mount cd |
| 19:31.01 | apt | ACTION zaps cd into a computer, mounts cd into the file system, and renames cd to 'Tron'. |
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| 19:31.08 | enouf | ~mount cdrom |
| 19:31.09 | apt | ACTION zaps cdrom into a computer, mounts cdrom into the file system, and renames cdrom to 'Tron'. |
| 19:31.13 | jpinx-eeepc | apt: versions mythzoneminder |
| 19:31.32 | enouf | ~loop |
| 19:31.32 | apt | Console utility. URL: http://home.midsouth.rr.com/biermans/ |
| 19:31.38 | enouf | fuck it |
| 19:31.49 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: the apt bot can't do that |
| 19:31.56 | jpinx-eeepc | ~mythzoneminder |
| 19:32.10 | jpinx-eeepc | slaps apt around a bit |
| 19:32.19 | abrotman | stew: could we get aptitude? dpkg is non-responsive |
| 19:32.40 | jpinx-eeepc | and judd please |
| 19:33.33 | enouf | judd i think is on holiday .. been offline sometime .. or something |
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| 19:33.49 | user_corrupt | jpinx-eeepc: my apt must be looking in different repositories? |
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| 19:50.53 | mischief | can anyone tell me how to select a different window manager under xfce4? |
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| 19:52.00 | neur0x | holas |
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| 19:53.08 | DeSian | how to set open_basedir in debian Etch server? |
| 19:53.43 | nsadmin | DeSian what's open_basedir? what's it part of? |
| 19:54.00 | DeSian | srry, is in php.ini |
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| 19:54.26 | nsadmin | oh, if you don't find here, #php |
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| 19:54.43 | Eulex | DeSian, perhaps set it in php.ini? :) |
| 19:55.04 | DeSian | ok i thunk is debian configuration :) |
| 19:55.12 | DeSian | ok thanx |
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| 19:55.16 | DeSian | think* |
| 19:55.53 | nsadmin | look at the php.ini you have |
| 19:55.55 | Eulex | DeSian, /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini , you can however set many such parameters through .htaccess if you want to set them for a specific site |
| 19:56.50 | DeSian | Eulex: thanx can i put any path or URL? |
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| 19:57.09 | Eulex | I have no idea, I don't know what open_basedir does |
| 19:57.14 | nsadmin | DeSian: that would be a #pgp question |
| 19:57.18 | enouf | what on earth is this "Preferred Application" crap? |
| 19:57.23 | nsadmin | #php even |
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| 19:57.46 | simonrvn | open_basedir is mostly a crappy hack. i wouldn't use it. |
| 19:57.50 | DeSian | nsadmin: thanx again |
| 19:58.01 | Eulex | enouf, it's for situations where you can't determine what application to use through mime-type associations |
| 19:58.08 | user_corrupt | Im installing ZoneMinder, and during ./configure, I am getting the error: "zm requires mysql/mysql.h" I am searching in synaptic, but i dont see anything like this file...any ideas? |
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| 19:59.23 | simonrvn | user_corrupt: apt-file search foo; /msg dpkg search |
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| 20:01.09 | snama_ | hello, anyone here that experiences audio clipping with SB Live! in kernels after 2.6.18? |
| 20:01.16 | snama_ | after but not included |
| 20:02.15 | SQlvpapir | wow.. I have to fetch +180mb worth of packages in order to compile nv :/ |
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| 20:03.18 | hark | what's nv? |
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| 20:05.52 | SQlvpapir | hark: nvidia driver... non open source one |
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| 20:06.22 | Pnux1 | hey, i think theres a problem with the driver for my VGA card.. i just installed Debian Lenny (stable) and it seems it doesnt support OpenGL when it used to do on Debian Squeeze (testing).. how can i check if its working properly? (glxgears and glxinfo both not found) |
| 20:06.31 | snama_ | is there anywhere i can get hold of an old etch image? before r4 |
| 20:06.33 | snama_ | ? |
| 20:06.37 | hark | Pnux1: install mesa-utils |
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| 20:06.52 | fudgecake | hey - how do you create a link file? |
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| 20:07.02 | SQlvpapir | fudgecake: man ln |
| 20:07.03 | Pnux1 | ln |
| 20:07.22 | SQlvpapir | fudgecake: symlinks are ln -s /some/where /actual/link/not/a/real/file |
| 20:07.42 | fudgecake | thanks |
| 20:08.01 | Pnux1 | hark: thanks a lot |
| 20:08.21 | SQlvpapir | Pnux1: next time apt-cache search glxgears ;-) |
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| 20:09.00 | Pnux1 | SQlvpapir: i did, but aptitude search glxgears |
| 20:09.07 | Pnux1 | and that returned nothing |
| 20:09.34 | Pnux1 | but i will take that in mind for the future, thanks |
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| 20:09.45 | hark | Pnux1: you can use apt-file |
| 20:10.14 | SQlvpapir | Pnux1: its not the same thing.. different defaults |
| 20:10.36 | Pnux1 | yeah, i noticed |
| 20:10.38 | hark | SQlvpapir: 180MB is not right.. you certainly don't need that many packages |
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| 20:11.29 | SQlvpapir | hark: thats what m-a is fetching for me.. |
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| 20:13.29 | gigo | what tools are available on Debian to write actionscript, compile them to .swf, test, etc.? |
| 20:13.48 | ranamalo | dpkg: list |
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| 20:17.11 | hark | m-a a-i nvidia-glx just fetches about 20M for me here and aptitude build-dep about 30M. and there is no X installed here |
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| 20:20.16 | fudgecake | hmm, how would i go about getting http://www.domain.com/~shellaccount or is it through apache |
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| 20:20.52 | ``y7 | can i install debian on the same hdd as ubuntu without having a seperate partition for it... without running into issues that an amature wouldn't notice? |
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| 20:21.00 | nkuttler | fudgecake: mod_userdir iirc |
| 20:21.20 | nkuttler | ``y7: no |
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| 20:22.17 | ``y7 | nkuttler, if i were to add in another hdd into my system and install debian on that hdd, how would i go about selecting which OS i wanted to boot up? |
| 20:22.43 | nkuttler | ``y7: you could just partition your drive instead. for boot choices see grub |
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| 20:23.10 | ``y7 | well ubuntu is already installed, so i'd rather just add another hdd that is sitting on my desk not being used ;) |
| 20:23.14 | ``y7 | i'll check into grub, thx |
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| 20:23.37 | nkuttler | ``y7: actually, the installer may even recognize the ubuntu drive, not sure about that |
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| 20:24.03 | ``y7 | what does that mean if it does recognize ubuntu? |
| 20:24.52 | nkuttler | ``y7: oh, i don't think it will. see the grub docs, it's like adding three lines to the config |
| 20:25.05 | ``y7 | alrighty, thx again |
| 20:25.27 | orion_X11 | why is that I cannot access root through "su" command from my home user? > vagner@localhost:~$ su Password: su: Authentication failure But, can access through from other users? |
| 20:25.44 | simonrvn | check your logs first |
| 20:26.06 | nkuttler | sounds like a password typo |
| 20:26.36 | simonrvn | (probably) |
| 20:26.43 | orion_X11 | nkuttler: No. I type the right pass |
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| 20:27.04 | log69 | orion: can you use "su" to change to other normal user? |
| 20:27.31 | nkuttler | has witnessed experienced admins miss-type their pass +5 times in a row |
| 20:27.38 | snama_ | orion: try to log on as root |
| 20:27.42 | snama_ | i mean without X |
| 20:29.34 | orion_X11 | snama_: I can access root without X; I can access root with X with other users in my machine, but cannot access from my workplace. This is the issue. |
| 20:29.59 | nkuttler | orion_X11: what does workplace mean? |
| 20:30.08 | orion_X11 | username |
| 20:30.16 | log69 | through ssh ? |
| 20:30.49 | nkuttler | orion_X11: as simonrvn said, check your logs |
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| 20:31.53 | orion_X11 | l log in with a username vagner and a password in X, then I access gnome-terminal issue su enter the root passw and get su: authentication failure. |
| 20:31.55 | buntfalke | packages.debian.org down? |
| 20:32.10 | nkuttler | orion_X11: /var/log/auth.log |
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| 20:32.59 | log69 | buntfalke: no it seems to be up n running |
| 20:33.16 | enouf | ok .. iceweael is getting flushed .. i've had it |
| 20:33.30 | nkuttler | !win enouf |
| 20:33.35 | nkuttler | dang bot |
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| 20:34.09 | person2 | Why is XFCE using 50M more than KDE for me? |
| 20:34.24 | enouf | Firepoop foes down the drain |
| 20:34.26 | orion_X11 | nkuttler: pam_unix(su:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=1000 euid=0 tty=pts/1 ruser=vagner rhost= user=root |
| 20:34.27 | Eulex | person2, how are you measuring memory? |
| 20:34.31 | enouf | goes* |
| 20:34.32 | person2 | free |
| 20:34.37 | Eulex | which of the figures? |
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| 20:35.11 | enouf | orion_X11: /etc/pam.d/ |
| 20:35.37 | orion_X11 | enouf: What do I do now? |
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| 20:36.03 | nkuttler | orion_X11: can you su to a different user? |
| 20:36.16 | enouf | orion_X11: does your password contain funky characters? typing it correctly? wrong keymap? |
| 20:36.25 | Eulex | person2, -/+ buffers/cache would be the line to compare. if there's still such a difference, I'd take a look at what processes are actually running. |
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| 20:36.55 | orion_X11 | enouf: no. Only numbers and letters |
| 20:37.15 | enouf | orion_X11: have you tried straight to gksu/gksudo from within gnome-terminal? rather than su? |
| 20:37.20 | orion_X11 | nkuttler: like > su lea ? |
| 20:37.27 | nkuttler | orion_X11: yeah, and then su |
| 20:37.29 | person2 | Eulex: Well I started a new session. And I got rid of orage calendar and probably something else I found to be using quite a bit of memory with top. |
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| 20:37.52 | person2 | Why might gconfd-2 and gnome-volume-manager be running? |
| 20:38.13 | Knoeki | weird question maybe, but about the gnome Sensors Applet... it claims my P4 CPU is constantly at 75 degrees Celcius... am I missing some driver possibly? HDD temperature shows up realistic, I guess. at least it changes over time ;_) |
| 20:38.28 | person2 | I mean it doesn't really matter. I just find it odd that this 'lightweight' DE is using more than the 'heavyweight'. |
| 20:38.57 | Eulex | person2, what about answering my other question? ^^ |
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| 20:39.51 | person2 | '(21:34:36) Eulex: which of the figures?' ? |
| 20:40.07 | Eulex | which of the lines that free outputs did you measure and compare? |
| 20:41.15 | person2 | used with system booted and logged in to new kde session and used with system booted and logged in to new xfce session |
| 20:41.39 | person2 | No swap is being used atm |
| 20:42.00 | person2 | As I said, I've for 2GB of RAM. It's no problem really so don't worry; I'm just curious/obsessive |
| 20:42.11 | Eulex | I was asking how exactly you were measuring memory usage |
| 20:43.08 | person2 | Yeah I was just telling you which numbers I was reading from the output if free. |
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| 20:43.50 | Eulex | 'used' column of the 'Mem' row? |
| 20:43.59 | person2 | Yeah |
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| 20:44.06 | Eulex | that's the problem |
| 20:44.08 | daemon | Good day does linux provide a /dev/zero interface |
| 20:44.15 | Eulex | that measurement includes buffers and caches |
| 20:44.37 | person2 | Ah |
| 20:44.38 | daemon | well device I suppse rather than interface |
| 20:45.02 | Eulex | person2, take a look at the next line, the -/+ buffers/cache line. |
| 20:45.09 | person2 | Aye |
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| 20:45.30 | orion_X11 | enouf: gksu synaptic for example ask me the passw and I give it but do not let me open it |
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| 20:46.17 | orion_X11 | nkuttler: su lea; su > authentication failure |
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| 20:46.22 | person2 | lol well thanks eulex |
| 20:46.24 | Eulex | person2, if you first log into kde, then log out and into xfce, the kernel will have had more opportunities to fill up unused memory with cached files. so it's not surprising that memory usage would increase by 50m. |
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| 20:46.38 | person2 | Oh |
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| 20:46.50 | person2 | Well I didn't do that |
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| 20:46.58 | nkuttler | orion_X11: can you login on a linux console? |
| 20:47.02 | person2 | I rebooted before testing the other DE |
| 20:47.23 | Eulex | person2, ah. but in any case, total memory usage doesn't tell much about what the applications are using. |
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| 20:47.42 | person2 | Why would it use more in buffer/cache for xfce? |
| 20:47.50 | person2 | as in, when logged in to xfce? |
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| 20:48.36 | orion_X11 | nkuttler: yes with F1 I open a konsole give it my username; my passw; su; enter the root pass and it works, but in the X it doe not. Why? |
| 20:48.38 | Eulex | I don't know. perhaps some cron job was run the second time, but not the first. but if you want to study total memory usage, I'd suggest trying out this a few more times. |
| 20:48.40 | Ins|de | Hello, does anyone knows any PHP >= 5.2.2 backport for etch ? |
| 20:49.23 | person2 | Eulex: I tried it many times. But never mind... I'll let you get on with something fun :P |
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| 20:50.05 | dia | hi! anyone knows good ressource for linguistic work on debian ? |
| 20:50.25 | nkuttler | Ins|de: /msg apt backports, /msg apt ssbp |
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| 20:50.37 | nkuttler | dia: that's a vague question |
| 20:50.41 | person2 | It seems that when I change XFCE's preferred apps for stuff, it also changes those of KDE. How can I set different app preferences for different DE's? |
| 20:51.06 | res22_2 | Anyone notice the similaritys between http://www.huguenot-xmi.com/rubylith/images/our_work/deep-riverrock.jpg and http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/media/debian_logo.gif ? |
| 20:51.08 | person2 | I'm familiar with update-alternatives... up to a point. |
| 20:51.16 | Eulex | person2, go on and measure the -/+ buffers/cache line instead. but that the total memory usage is higher with xfce than with kde after a clean boot could actually point to some problem, as it suggests that more files are needed to be read to start it. could perhaps have something to do with gtk. |
| 20:51.50 | person2 | A gigantic icon set - could that play a role? |
| 20:51.59 | Eulex | it might |
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| 20:52.12 | fcx | in ssh-keygen which algo should i choose? rsa or dsa? and how big a key should i choose? |
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| 20:52.29 | Eulex | person2, you should also make sure that you are booting clean sessions if you're measuring total memory usage; if you start a program and then exit it, its effect on file caches will not disappear |
| 20:52.31 | nkuttler | fcx: take the defaults? |
| 20:52.36 | Ins|de | nkuttler: it isnt at backports.org, thats why i came here |
| 20:52.36 | lfs | Is apt-key update the best way to get the keys updated? |
| 20:52.46 | person2 | nah I am talking about clean sessions |
| 20:52.49 | dia | i m trying to install debian for a friend how work on linguistic, we ve issues with fonts and openoffice mainly, its phonetics character. i permited myself to ask a vague question hoping there was a linguist in the channel |
| 20:52.52 | person2 | just after booting |
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| 20:53.01 | fcx | nkuttler: no, what's the safest? |
| 20:53.08 | Eulex | person2, that orage was started does not suggest that you had a clean xfce session... |
| 20:53.20 | nkuttler | dia: uh, for document editing, use latex |
| 20:53.27 | dia | i installed the fonts but openoffice still can t read them , but manage to write then |
| 20:53.30 | person2 | that was in the olden days when i had orage clock as an applet :P |
| 20:53.34 | Eulex | ok |
| 20:53.39 | nkuttler | Ins|de: /msg apt ssbp |
| 20:53.39 | lfs | I have the following error |
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| 20:53.46 | dia | my newbie friend won t handle latex |
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| 20:53.53 | lfs | There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 20:53.57 | dia | but for sure that s the best soultion |
| 20:53.58 | nkuttler | dia: i'm sure there is some gui for it |
| 20:54.10 | dia | tex maker, lyx, yes |
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| 20:55.17 | lfs | apt-key update did not work |
| 20:55.20 | Eulex | lfs, install the latest version of debian-archive-keyring and that error should go away |
| 20:55.22 | `swoolley | TICS !!! WE NEED MORE USERS!!JOIN ##POLITICS !!! WE NEED MORE USERS!!JOIN ##POLITICS !!! WE NEED MORE USERS!!JOIN ##POLITICS !!! WE NEED MORE USERS!!JOIN ##POLITICS !!! WE NEED MORE USERS!!JOIN ##POLITICS !!! WE NEED MORE USERS!!JOIN ##POLITICS !!! WE NEED MORE USERS!!JOIN ##POLITICS !!! WE NEED MORE USERS!!JOIN ##POLITICS !!! WE NEED MORE USERS!!JOIN ##POLITICS !!! WE NEED MORE USER |
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| 20:55.28 | Eulex | !ops `swoolley |
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| 20:55.36 | dia | nkuttler, i ll try to convince him :) , thx ! |
| 20:55.36 | Eulex | meh |
| 20:55.42 | Ins|de | omg |
| 20:55.57 | mavhc | well, that was a pursuading argument |
| 20:56.02 | person2 | That channel's for total arseholes |
| 20:56.04 | Spida | that was fast. |
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| 20:56.11 | lfs | WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 20:56.18 | adama_ | fuck politics |
| 20:56.24 | person2 | j/k... do what you want but you know :P |
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| 20:56.35 | lfs | Looks like a vicious circle |
| 20:56.52 | Eulex | lfs, you'll have to manage with that warning for upgrading debian-archive-keyring, yes, but after that you shouldn't get any such warnings anymore. |
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| 21:02.49 | mrAZ | what is ata2.00: status: { DRDY } ??? |
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| 21:04.50 | nsadmin | mrAZ: maybe the ata driver source identifies the various statuses |
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| 21:05.53 | nsadmin | mrAZ: try googling it |
| 21:06.31 | mrAZ | nsadmin: i did, not any smarter. |
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| 21:07.10 | nsadmin | and did you look at the driver source as well? |
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| 21:07.18 | hark | mrAZ: http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Libata_error_messages |
| 21:07.46 | nsadmin | oh, there ya go... a listing of the error messages |
| 21:08.01 | nsadmin | hark: how did you find that? |
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| 21:09.31 | hark | nsadmin: was troubleshooting this sometime back. bookmarked it then |
| 21:09.31 | xingu | mrAZ: frequently boot arg "noapic" is a workaround, but generally the problems are deeper rooted (and noapic merely bandaids over them) |
| 21:09.33 | safruhani | :S |
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| 21:09.40 | safruhani | :S |
| 21:09.41 | nkuttler | ~ops swoolley` |
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| 21:09.58 | nkuttler | thanks |
| 21:10.11 | nkuttler | dondelelcaro: btw, dpkg seems to be down |
| 21:10.22 | nsadmin | !test |
| 21:10.28 | ethanw | yep dpkg wasnt working for me either |
| 21:10.32 | nsadmin | judd, versions foo |
| 21:10.44 | nsadmin | hmm, both bots |
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| 21:11.00 | mrAZ | hark, nsadmin, xingu : thanx i will look into it |
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| 21:12.40 | mrAZ | i compiled 2.6.29 with rt patch, i have on interrupt 16 hdsp, ahci. |
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| 21:15.39 | mrAZ | i think error starts when i start hdsploader (not sure) |
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| 21:16.57 | nsadmin | mrAZ: you have hdsp? |
| 21:17.05 | mrAZ | yes |
| 21:17.12 | nsadmin | what devices? |
| 21:17.26 | mrAZ | rme multiface |
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| 21:17.40 | nsadmin | I have a multiface 2 |
| 21:17.40 | mrAZ | PCI adapter |
| 21:17.47 | edwin_quijada | There is any lib for encription that I can use from C? |
| 21:17.49 | mrAZ | cool toy eh ? |
| 21:17.59 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 21:18.19 | nsadmin | the driver guy doesn't like alsa... |
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| 21:18.30 | nsadmin | and won't write drivers for it |
| 21:18.33 | valdyn | edwin_quijada: google it ? |
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| 21:19.25 | edwin_quijada | valdyn: I am there rigth now |
| 21:19.32 | edwin_quijada | without luck |
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| 21:19.58 | edwin_quijada | everithing is with fu... c# |
| 21:20.15 | mrAZ | finally i dont think my problem is in hdsp, net iface disconnecting at will ... i think kernel is screwed |
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| 21:22.53 | fudgecake | can you use wget to retrieve a file from another dir? |
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| 21:23.18 | ethanw | fudgecake: whats wrong with cp? |
| 21:23.52 | jpinx-eeepc | fudgecake: try it;) |
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| 21:25.02 | ethanw | dpkg working again, thanks guys :) |
| 21:25.02 | dpkg | ethanw: are you using Windows? |
| 21:25.05 | nsadmin | fudgecake: define "another dir", give an example |
| 21:25.11 | ethanw | gah |
| 21:25.40 | ethanw | fudgecake: if your talking about another directory on the webserver, then yea |
| 21:25.49 | ethanw | as long as its under webroot |
| 21:25.51 | nsadmin | there's about 5 or 6 things you could mean |
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| 21:27.21 | jpinx-eeepc | fudgecake: wget file:///home/joh... didn't work |
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| 21:28.25 | ethanw | jpinx-eeepc: well no surprises there, its not HTTP ;) |
| 21:28.52 | jpinx-eeepc | ethanw: just experimenting ;) |
| 21:29.06 | keith4_ | does anyone know of a way to tell if my box support WOL? |
| 21:29.16 | valdyn | keith4_: ethtool or mii-tool |
| 21:29.31 | ethanw | keith4_: also check to see if its enabled in your BIOS |
| 21:29.48 | mrAZ | nsadmin: u use rt kernel and jack ? if yes, which kernel ? |
| 21:30.55 | keith4_ | ok, thanks |
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| 21:32.03 | nsadmin | right now I'm using 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 21:32.19 | zepho | is there a cl program to see up/download in real time? |
| 21:32.20 | nsadmin | not quite sure why it's not later etch |
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| 21:32.56 | nsadmin | oh wait, that's the laptop where I'm running my own build of 2.6.28 |
| 21:33.10 | keith4_ | zepho, ethstatus |
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| 21:34.09 | mrAZ | nsadmin: but thats stock, not rt patched. you must get lots of xruns then |
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| 21:34.55 | tolun | Does anyone knows hidden partion encryption ? |
| 21:35.01 | mrAZ | rt = real time |
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| 21:35.17 | nsadmin | I'd actuallly like to replace my laptop with an amd64x2 |
| 21:35.39 | valdyn | tolun: crypt the disk, not the partition |
| 21:35.54 | jpinx-eeepc | replaces nsadmin 's laptop with a copy of playboy |
| 21:35.56 | zepho | thanks a lot keith4 |
| 21:36.04 | mrAZ | my old lap was too slow P4 (2.2Ghz) for all that audio |
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| 21:36.42 | tolun | valdyn: I need something like this |
| 21:36.42 | nsadmin | how much were you running? |
| 21:37.28 | mrAZ | jack + pure data = 80% CPU if i was modest |
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| 21:37.38 | jpinx-eeepc | mrAZ: my old laptop (this one)has a 500Mhz PIII and is fine as long as there's no browser open;) |
| 21:38.07 | nsadmin | mrAZ: how many channels and how many software effects? |
| 21:38.17 | ghenry | Hi, how can I unload iptables on lenny? iptables -F locks me out |
| 21:38.20 | mrAZ | my old 386 is also fine until i boot it ;) |
| 21:38.33 | valdyn | ghenry: you cant unload iptables |
| 21:38.43 | nsadmin | jpinx-eeepc: do you have rme stuff too? |
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| 21:38.45 | ghenry | valdyn: I mean the rules |
| 21:38.52 | valdyn | ghenry: -F does not necessarily lock you out |
| 21:38.58 | tolun | valdyn: If something tries to open important file then they important files should work fine. If they would copied outside harddisk then these files should be copied as an encrypted. |
| 21:39.08 | valdyn | ghenry: -F locks you out if default is deny or drop |
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| 21:39.16 | ghenry | valdyn: yeah, that's right. |
| 21:39.21 | ghenry | ok, will check |
| 21:39.30 | mrAZ | nsadmin: 8 chan out 2 in, pure data signal processing ... it was so-so |
| 21:39.31 | valdyn | ghenry: so change default policy to ACCEPT a |
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| 21:39.46 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: I use audacity for editing audio |
| 21:39.50 | ghenry | valdyn: my tcp is DROP tcp -- anywhere anywhere |
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| 21:40.01 | ghenry | valdyn: ACCEPT udp -- anywhere anywhere state ESTABLISHED |
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| 21:40.21 | valdyn | ghenry: that last line is not a policy, its a rules |
| 21:40.22 | valdyn | ghenry: that last line is not a policy, its a rule |
| 21:40.32 | mrAZ | guys, for audio you need real time kernel and jackd. believe me. |
| 21:40.45 | valdyn | ghenry: Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
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| 21:41.09 | ghenry | valdyn: Yeah, I see now Chain INPUT (policy DROP) |
| 21:41.19 | mrAZ | and on laptop ? yeah, i also like those noises from integrated sound card when i move something on display |
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| 21:41.48 | Pnux | hey, i just installed Lenny and i cant use sudo as regular user. i used Kuser to add me to the sudo group, but that didnt work. what can i do? |
| 21:42.04 | ghenry | valdyn: I guess I change -P INPUT DROP to ACCEPT |
| 21:42.08 | ghenry | cheers |
| 21:42.13 | jpinx-eeepc | Pnux: visudo and edit |
| 21:42.29 | valdyn | Pnux: maybe you want to add the sudo group to sudoers |
| 21:42.30 | Pnux | jpinx-eeepc: thanks |
| 21:42.38 | nsadmin | jpinx-eeepc: the rme device has like 16 ins, 18 outs and 18 "playbacks" in hardware... if you're actually doing sthff with all those at once, you're looking at A LOT of data |
| 21:42.39 | valdyn | Pnux: or just that specific user |
| 21:43.16 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: fairysnuff - I haven't moved up to that yet;) |
| 21:43.20 | nsadmin | 48 khz sample rate, 16 bit samples I think |
| 21:43.51 | tolun | valdyn: did you received my sentences? |
| 21:44.34 | valdyn | tolun: yes, it doesnt work like that |
| 21:44.39 | nsadmin | jpinx-eeepc: one guy is using those kind of devices as audio hubs in a large state-of-the-art digital audio studio |
| 21:44.57 | valdyn | tolun: its a stupid idea |
| 21:45.13 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: cool - but yes - it would need serious hardware |
| 21:45.15 | valdyn | tolun: if you can *read* a file, then you can copy it |
| 21:45.38 | valdyn | tolun: both in clear naturally |
| 21:46.13 | tolun | valdyn: ok. I have one USB which is works like that. What would you say now? yes I thing same it is stupid but this USB works like that. |
| 21:46.25 | nsadmin | the devices he's using as hubs have like 64 ins and 64 outs |
| 21:46.26 | valdyn | tolun: nah it doesnt , youre confused |
| 21:46.36 | tolun | :D |
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| 21:47.33 | tolun | valdyn: Look I am copying files from it and it comes out encrypted. But if I want to open them then they are working very well... |
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| 21:47.54 | Pnux | valdyn: in case i want to add the group 'sudo', how do i do that? |
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| 21:48.04 | Pnux | (to the sudoers i mean) |
| 21:48.09 | tolun | valdyn: yes i know this is very basic thing but this is what that I try to explain... |
| 21:48.18 | valdyn | Pnux: start by reading the documentation |
| 21:48.30 | valdyn | Pnux: i would have to read it to, im lazy, sorry |
| 21:48.34 | jpinx-eeepc | Pnux: man sudo |
| 21:48.51 | Pnux | oh, was reading visudo's man, thats why i asked |
| 21:48.59 | Pnux | thanks |
| 21:49.08 | valdyn | Pnux: "man sudoers" actually |
| 21:49.40 | valdyn | Pnux: huge manpage, but theres plenty examples in it aswell |
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| 21:49.51 | nsadmin | yew kan sudo or yew can be a sewerdoer! |
| 21:50.35 | Pnux | valdyn: it is pretty huge |
| 21:50.40 | tolun | valdyn: any suggession... |
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| 21:51.09 | nsadmin | tolun: my suggestion is /msg dpkg fundamentals |
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| 21:52.15 | Pnux | 857 lines, pretty good manual |
| 21:52.23 | nsadmin | hmm, that needs more stuff... I don't recommend the reference before you've tried stuff |
| 21:53.31 | nsadmin | also I don't recommend just -reading- the Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO, I recommend you try everything you read about right after you read each thing |
| 21:54.49 | tolun | nsadmin: and my suggestion for you is try to listen someone that they try to bring you new things....;) |
| 21:55.06 | tolun | have nice night guys... |
| 21:55.27 | tolun | I thoug that no one would learn new thing/technologies....\ |
| 21:55.29 | nsadmin | that way, instead of 857 lines you get lots of small things to experiment with |
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| 21:56.21 | nsadmin | tolun: oh, sorry, was that your original purpose, to expose a new technology? |
| 21:56.48 | tolun | nsadmin : try your best man...;) |
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| 21:58.30 | tolun | nsadmin: you are not know what am I talking about.... And very stupid part is that you are not trying to understand... you know that...:) |
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| 22:00.31 | nsadmin | tolun: if I tried to understand every word everyone said here, I'd be under too much stress |
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| 22:01.47 | konr1 | Guys, how can I install debian to a partition? Can I do something like gentoo, downloading a tarball, chrooting and updating? |
| 22:01.51 | tolun | nsadmin: yes you have really right I agree that... really. But just try to a little bit more, or stay calm man... |
| 22:02.44 | ethanw | konr1: what exactly do you mean? you could just use the installer to chose the partition |
| 22:02.46 | themill | konr1: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 22:02.49 | nsadmin | konr1: what are you running now? |
| 22:03.20 | tolun | nsadmin: I am working 14years about IT technologies of my life. In my country it is not easy to learn something. Here is not US or EU and UK also. |
| 22:03.39 | konr1 | nsadmin: I'm in a gentoo livecd environment accessing the interweb via wifi |
| 22:04.05 | g00se | konr1: standard installer |
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| 22:04.32 | nsadmin | konr1: ok, you could try debootstrap or just get an installer and boot that (this partition is empty, yes) |
| 22:04.35 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 22:04.53 | tolun | nsadmin: sorry for my bad english writing but it is not my native language. Actually it is my 4th language. Whatever I need someone which is professional about encryption systems. |
| 22:05.00 | nsadmin | tolun: so you're familiar with unix-alikes? |
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| 22:06.15 | ranamalo | is there something similar to pcid for isa devices? And if so where is that info/ or what is the command? |
| 22:06.59 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: one of the linkks in /msg dpkg fundamentals output is a 404 |
| 22:07.05 | tolun | nsadmin: yes, I am familiar. But I am not so experienced about encryption systems. I was MCSE+MCDBA 6years ago. I choosed Linux because I believed it. |
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| 22:07.25 | nsadmin | tolun: how long ago? |
| 22:07.29 | tolun | nsadmin: encryption systems are so specific for me |
| 22:07.44 | tolun | 6years |
| 22:08.04 | crazy3k | Helo. I'm on a Pentium 3. For some reason, Firefox and all the windows move and scroll very slowly. I know this machine is a bit old, but I think that there might be a problem with the graphic card (maybe it wasn0t configured properly?) What can I do to fix this? (I'm on Ubuntu, but I guess I can ask here about this problem.) |
| 22:08.05 | nsadmin | ahh, so obviously you have the fundamentals and then some |
| 22:08.15 | tolun | at 2002 I was MCSE. But of course I was at my second Uni. |
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| 22:09.17 | jpinx-eeepc | crazy3k: try #ubuntu - try google firefox problems - there is lots on this topic |
| 22:09.24 | tolun | nsadmin: owww sorry I was at my 3rd uni. |
| 22:09.57 | tolun | nsadmin: I left from 4th one. |
| 22:10.08 | crazy3k | jpinx-eeepc: Thanks. But I think it has little to do with Firefox (I can be wrong.) More like the graphic card isn't configured. |
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| 22:10.36 | abrotman | crazy3k: then ask #ubuntu please |
| 22:10.38 | enouf | crazy3k: i'm going to say a few things and that's it - a) this is #debian, don't ask about ubuntu here b) install flashblock and adblock or rm firepoop-bin c) purge remove any DE d) consider one of the many WMs available e) /msg dpkg links2 for an awesome fast browser |
| 22:10.44 | jpinx-eeepc | crazy3k: firefox has problems on older hardware - mine included |
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| 22:10.49 | tolun | nsadmin: whatever... I thing that I can't find someone which is exprienced one about encryption sys.... |
| 22:10.52 | abrotman | enouf: stop it already .. it's really getting old |
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| 22:11.33 | enouf | abrotman: if you insist on being a fool you will get tossed into the bozo box for some time |
| 22:11.53 | enouf | s/being/acting like a/ |
| 22:11.56 | mrAZ | sorry i didnt finished even base school, but apparently {DRDY} means device ready, and freezing might me because od excessive kernel messages. anybody knows how to suppress them ? |
| 22:11.57 | abrotman | enouf: if you can't use the correct names of firefox and microsoft, just refrain from commenting, last warning |
| 22:12.15 | abrotman | you've been asked multiple times by multiple people |
| 22:12.27 | enouf | abrotman: correct names? Do you work for a "higher authority" or some shit? |
| 22:12.40 | jpinx-eeepc | come on guys....... |
| 22:12.41 | abrotman | it's not funny, stop doing it |
| 22:12.52 | enouf | stop talking to me abrotman - last warning |
| 22:13.01 | sepult | is god a higher authority ? |
| 22:13.12 | quitte | hi. Is there a way to not only have a users home directory on an usb stick but also the users login data? so that anyone that has a (preferrably signed) usb stick can log into a machine with his home, username, password and groups? |
| 22:13.13 | epsas | I am the higher authority |
| 22:13.18 | crazy3k | Sorry. I thought X configuration was pretty much the same on Debian. |
| 22:13.25 | epsas | unless there is someone else from linpeople #debian ;) |
| 22:13.27 | abrotman | crazy3k: we have no idea, ask #ubuntu |
| 22:13.36 | abrotman | crazy3k: if they can't help, maybe try ##linux |
| 22:14.00 | sepult | do the angels have sex in the heavens ? |
| 22:14.29 | quitte | sepult: of course they do. or do you think it could be heaven otherwise? |
| 22:14.32 | nkuttler | doh, can't mplayer play at a different volumen without touching the mixer? |
| 22:14.37 | sepult | is micheal again above and into gabriel ? |
| 22:14.38 | sepult | err |
| 22:14.40 | enouf | nkuttler: yes |
| 22:14.40 | konr1 | guys, where can I get debian installer as a binary package to run in my gentoo system? |
| 22:14.45 | abrotman | sepult: #debian-offtopic |
| 22:14.45 | sepult | or was it lucifer ? |
| 22:14.50 | jpinx-eeepc | nkuttler: yes |
| 22:14.51 | abrotman | !tell konr1 about debootstrap |
| 22:14.51 | avu | nkuttler, yes it can, enable the software mixer |
| 22:14.57 | ethanw | quitte: im not sure. I think you could do the /home bit ok. Just use a script on logon |
| 22:15.01 | sepult | who does blow the horns ? |
| 22:15.07 | nkuttler | reads tfm |
| 22:15.54 | enouf | nkuttler: i use * and / on the numpad, or 9 and 0 IIRC, depending on media format |
| 22:15.54 | tolun | nsadmin: thank you for conversation... have a nice {time in [08:00..18:00]} ? print("day") : print("night"); print(":)"); |
| 22:15.54 | ethanw | quitte: but as for the login bit that could be a bit trickier |
| 22:15.54 | quitte | ethanw: there even is a pam package for that. |
| 22:15.55 | nkuttler | nah, i need it from the command line |
| 22:15.55 | jpinx-eeepc | nkuttler: 0 and 9 if you're using the commandline |
| 22:15.55 | ethanw | quitte: awesome. I might have a play |
| 22:15.55 | crazy3k | abrotman: Thanks. |
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| 22:15.55 | enouf | nkuttler: sometimes the numpad 9 and 0 don't workj though here - you have to use those _other_ numbers |
| 22:15.55 | nkuttler | -softvol apparently |
| 22:16.04 | nsadmin | tolun: np... hope you find what you're looking for |
| 22:16.08 | enouf | what? |
| 22:16.13 | tolun | is there any professional about encryption systems ? |
| 22:16.16 | avu | nkuttler, yep, sounds right |
| 22:16.19 | tolun | nsadmin: thanks |
| 22:16.43 | enouf | oh well - another misunderstanding bites the dust |
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| 22:17.06 | quitte | hmm. maybe if i rephrase the question.... |
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| 22:17.34 | quitte | is there some way to have pam look at more passwd and group files than the default files in etc somehow? |
| 22:17.35 | enouf | mplayer also can do 'profiles' and 'slaves' not to mention ~/.mplayer/* |
| 22:17.58 | enouf | more? other? |
| 22:18.05 | enouf | LDAP? |
| 22:18.22 | avu | quitte, yes. |
| 22:18.24 | avu | next! |
| 22:18.40 | quitte | avu which module? |
| 22:18.54 | Pnux | ok, 3 out of 4 problems solved.. now why do i get this message when trying to run kwrite as root? No protocol specified kwrite: cannot connect to X server :0 |
| 22:18.54 | enouf | no soup for you! |
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| 22:19.19 | enouf | Pnux: please do not try to run any DE editors as root |
| 22:19.27 | avu | quitte, can't you just give an argument to pam_unix.so? |
| 22:19.29 | enouf | Pnux: use kdesu/kdesud |
| 22:19.33 | ethanw | Pnux: try kdesu kwrite |
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| 22:19.43 | avu | quitte, in general, the PAM docs aren't half bad |
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| 22:19.56 | enouf | Pnux: your root user has it's own everything - in /root |
| 22:19.58 | tolun | Any "security engineer" about encryption please... |
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| 22:20.06 | enouf | Pnux: meaning env variables and such |
| 22:20.08 | Pnux | i see |
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| 22:20.35 | Pnux | well, ill use kdesu from now on, thans |
| 22:20.38 | Pnux | *thanks |
| 22:20.44 | quitte | avu: I avoided messing with pam like the plague. the defaults are just that tad more complex than what I like for a first encounter with config files |
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| 22:21.03 | avu | quitte, just study the docs carefully |
| 22:21.39 | quitte | bah. docs. i'll keep that in mind and go back to more useful stuff. |
| 22:21.45 | avu | quitte, it's really quite simple, although you are of course right to be careful as a fscked up PAM configuration can be a bit painful to fix or work around |
| 22:22.04 | tolun | Any "security engineer" about encryption... please... |
| 22:22.07 | avu | quitte, if you're not willing to read the docs, by all means never ever touch your PAM config |
| 22:22.16 | avu | tolun, stop repeating that silly question |
| 22:22.21 | enouf | tolun: tried #security? |
| 22:22.45 | enouf | tolun: and please /msg dpkg htasq |
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| 22:23.03 | konr1 | abrotman: wait a second, won't bootstrap make me boot my system? I can't, or I won't be able to configure wi-fi correctly |
| 22:23.05 | tolun | enouf: no |
| 22:23.13 | quitte | avu: why not. it's all live systems and virtual machines. really nice to not even be able to seriously break stuff. |
| 22:23.19 | enouf | ok - a) is answered |
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| 22:23.22 | avu | konr1, no it won't |
| 22:23.26 | tolun | enouf: is this the exact name of the channel? |
| 22:23.51 | enouf | tolun: not sure - but #freenode or #freenode-help can help |
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| 22:24.13 | enouf | are we on freenode? irssi is a bit vague :-P |
| 22:24.15 | tolun | enouf: ok I will find it... |
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| 22:24.26 | tolun | enouf: thanks to everyone |
| 22:24.26 | nsadmin | yes we are, this is freenode |
| 22:24.38 | avu | enouf, just configure it properly. |
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| 22:24.44 | enouf | avu: right |
| 22:24.49 | nsadmin | tolun: you might hire Kurt Seifried |
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| 22:25.22 | nsadmin | I think he still has that site security-portal.com? |
| 22:25.33 | avu | enouf, you can show the network with the channel information in the statusbar easily |
| 22:25.36 | enouf | avu: working out the details .. slowly .. IRL trumps all |
| 22:25.59 | enouf | avu: i know where to look even - thanks - sincerely |
| 22:26.00 | nsadmin | didn't get the name right |
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| 22:26.29 | enouf | avu: i have TONS of many other more important soft/hardware issues to work out .. in addition to that IRL stuff |
| 22:27.17 | enouf | nsadmin: looking for the guy maimed via the white tiger? |
| 22:27.27 | avu | enouf, very, erm, "interesting" |
| 22:27.32 | enouf | in LasVegas |
| 22:27.44 | abrotman | missing a 'g' in the name |
| 22:27.52 | tolun | nsadmin: himmmm... last choice for me. because of cost is also important but I can/would hire someone.... |
| 22:27.56 | nsadmin | Kurt Seifried was maimed?? |
| 22:28.15 | nsadmin | or was that one of sigfried and roy? |
| 22:28.20 | abrotman | nsadmin: he's talking about siegfriend and roy .. the white tiger mauling a few years ago .. the magiciians |
| 22:28.30 | enouf | avu: yes - discharging the bloat can be extremely painful .. when one considers this premise; "computers are suppoesed to help automate menial tasks" ;-) |
| 22:28.51 | g00se_ | tolun: What's the requirement again? |
| 22:29.01 | avu | enouf, you keep talking about something which has not interested me in the slightest to begin with |
| 22:29.20 | enouf | avu: you keep engaging me as though it were |
| 22:29.29 | avu | haha |
| 22:29.34 | enouf | :-P |
| 22:29.47 | nsadmin | nono, this is Kurt Seifried, oh, found him, http://seifried.org/ |
| 22:30.17 | nsadmin | tolun: take a look at that site |
| 22:30.17 | avu | at least you're good for a laugh now and then. although I really should put you on ignore one of these days. anyway, bedtime. |
| 22:30.49 | tolun | nsadmin: ok I am looking there right now |
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| 22:31.06 | enouf | avu: and you're a good marketing agent - and i loathe most - so consider yourself lucky |
| 22:31.07 | tolun | g00se_: I requirement is about encryption systems |
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| 22:31.24 | tolun | g00se_: My requirement is about encryption systems ;) |
| 22:31.24 | enouf | sleep well |
| 22:31.44 | g00se_ | tolun: I realise that. What about them? |
| 22:32.00 | tolun | g00se_: ok I would explain |
| 22:32.17 | enouf | s/lucky/most times tolerable/ |
| 22:32.20 | nsadmin | tolun: perhaps if you were to ask him a specific, informative, concise and complete question, he'd know if he can help or not |
| 22:32.48 | mavhc | I think he wants to force files to be kept encrypted on discs, but open without passwords |
| 22:32.53 | enouf | tolun: what is encryption? |
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| 22:33.46 | tolun | g00se_: I need something like that I want to encrypt an USB which has these abilities, Important files can read(works) fine however if someone wants to copy files to outside it then they should be copied as encrypted. |
| 22:33.58 | g00se_ | mahvc: you mean, like they were err... unencrypted? |
| 22:34.14 | sepult | why is purging xemacs, emacs etc.. such a pain in the ass in debian !? |
| 22:34.39 | nsadmin | sepult: you tell us... why are you experiencing it that way? |
| 22:35.09 | tolun | g00se_: yeap... Because I have one on my hand now. But It is not made by me. I want to do same thing. |
| 22:35.20 | mavhc | microsoft's encryption does the second part, and there's probably some policy where you can force it not to copy to unencrypted drives |
| 22:35.37 | sepult | nsadmin: i upgraded emacs, xemacs to the testing versions but the old .el files won't compile and reinstallation is not possible |
| 22:35.48 | mavhc | uses your login token/password to decrypt it |
| 22:35.58 | sepult | nsadmin: it gets into an not ending loop of compiling shit |
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| 22:36.17 | themill | sepult: so it's not debian that's at fault here... |
| 22:36.25 | sepult | themill: i hope so |
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| 22:36.35 | nsadmin | sepult: are you running testing? |
| 22:36.54 | sepult | nsadmin: i mixed stable, testing, experimental |
| 22:37.12 | tolun | mavhc: yes you have right I want this type of encryption. The interesting thing is that it works everywhere the same.... |
| 22:37.16 | themill | And then you wonder why it breaks.... |
| 22:37.16 | sepult | nsadmin: with most stuff from stable |
| 22:37.21 | nsadmin | not a good idea... things aren't designed to work that way |
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| 22:38.09 | quitte | am i missing some package if compiz doesn't have sane defaults? or is it normal that i have to use ccsm before even getting window decoration in gnome? |
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| 22:38.43 | g00se_ | tolun: You probably need a custom fs built on fuse. More than that i can't tell you |
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| 22:39.38 | nsadmin | sepultz: directly, the reason things are not working properly is because you're mixing dists |
| 22:39.58 | nsadmin | err -z |
| 22:40.30 | sepult | nsadmin: i tried to uninstall first, and the problems were there before i mixed |
| 22:40.43 | sepult | nsadmin: so i don't think it's due mainly to mixing |
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| 22:41.12 | nsadmin | so you had a purely stable system with no packages whatsoever from any other dist? |
| 22:41.20 | sepult | yes |
| 22:41.26 | nsadmin | and that stable system was fully uptodate? |
| 22:41.26 | sepult | nsadmin: i had just lenny |
| 22:41.33 | sepult | nsadmin: yes |
| 22:41.47 | nsadmin | then potentially that's a lenny bug |
| 22:42.05 | themill | we don't actually know what happened yet.... |
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| 22:42.18 | sepult | nsadmin: what i could see is, some of the postinst or preremoval scripts just won't do it |
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| 22:42.57 | sepult | nsadmin: i don't know but some of them seem to be rather superficial |
| 22:42.59 | nsadmin | sepult: perhaps you could document the steps you did, both to install emacs and then to try removing it |
| 22:43.15 | sepult | nsadmin: the problems begin with uim-el |
| 22:43.15 | nsadmin | let others try it |
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| 22:43.22 | sepult | nsadmin: and with anthy-el |
| 22:43.52 | themill | Actual errors would be helpful too rather than interminably vague comments about "some" thinngs |
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| 22:44.10 | sepult | nsadmin: uim-el try's to run everytime anew the compiling enters a new round for emacs |
| 22:44.12 | nsadmin | so you had some emacses installed? then you installed these? |
| 22:45.01 | sepult | nsadmin: so i get alot of uim-helper-server uim-al-agent uim-el-helper-agent etc... running at the same time which occupy just more and more ram |
| 22:45.16 | nsadmin | what you might do is write out offline what you did, as closely as you remember |
| 22:45.24 | sepult | hmmm |
| 22:45.44 | tombs | sepultura? :-/ |
| 22:45.46 | sepult | ok i'll try that but later not now |
| 22:46.15 | themill | sepult: without specifics, you're not going to get any help. It's impossible for us to guess what it is you're seeing what it is you've tried and what is or isn't working. |
| 22:46.32 | sepult | themill: yes yes sorry i know i know... |
| 22:46.41 | nsadmin | I can't engage in a back-and-forth here and now; I'm hungry :) |
| 22:47.00 | themill | dpkg, feed nsadmin |
| 22:47.01 | dpkg | gives nsadmin a feeding he'll *never* forget. |
| 22:48.07 | sepult | stoners dpkg with a brimrock |
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| 22:49.13 | sepult | die dpkg die |
| 22:49.22 | sepult | !die |
| 22:49.23 | dpkg | I'll murder you sepult! Decapitate you and play snooker with your eyes! |
| 22:49.39 | sepult | how nice |
| 22:49.49 | sylarrr | isn't there a prime95 package? |
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| 22:50.06 | bododo | hi folks :) |
| 22:50.37 | bododo | xfce clock and date (bash) don't return the same thing :/ |
| 22:50.57 | bododo | how can I fix this? |
| 22:51.02 | ethanw | bododo: have you just set the time? |
| 22:51.11 | bododo | ethanw: yes |
| 22:51.14 | bododo | I did |
| 22:51.15 | ethanw | bododo: and how much is it out by? |
| 22:51.34 | bododo | there's a big diff |
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| 22:51.39 | ethanw | give it a minute |
| 22:51.44 | ethanw | mine takes a bit to filter tho |
| 22:51.46 | ethanw | **thru |
| 22:51.51 | bododo | the date is 23:50 while xfce shows 5:60 |
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| 22:52.03 | ethanw | and my xclock is always slower than pidgin's |
| 22:52.29 | bododo | xclock OTOH shows the right time |
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| 22:52.36 | bododo | (the one I just set) |
| 22:53.00 | ethanw | so xclock=right and date=wrong? |
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| 22:53.23 | bododo | even screen (on which I am now) shows the right one (i guess it takes it from date anyway) |
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| 22:53.48 | ethanw | thats strange |
| 22:53.59 | bododo | no; date:xclock != xfce applet |
| 22:54.31 | ethanw | huh? i was taught delphi, not c:) |
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| 22:54.45 | bododo | :p |
| 22:55.02 | ethanw | run it past me again :) |
| 22:55.06 | sepult | ethanw: you mean pascal ? |
| 22:55.22 | ethanw | meh same difference |
| 22:55.24 | bododo | sepult: object pascal, if you please! ;-) |
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| 22:56.01 | enouf | xdg-open {file URL} |
| 22:56.21 | bododo | anyone here on a ppc? |
| 22:56.31 | ethanw | ppc being powerpc? |
| 22:56.36 | bododo | yes :) |
| 22:56.40 | enouf | some perhaps - there's also #debianppc |
| 22:56.46 | ethanw | lol |
| 22:56.56 | bododo | it's so deadly silent theer |
| 22:57.03 | enouf | !ppc |
| 22:57.04 | dpkg | ppc is probably is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
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| 22:57.22 | enouf | try the mialing list bododo |
| 22:57.38 | enouf | bododo: lists.debian.org |
| 22:57.43 | bododo | enouf: yes, thanks! I think I'll post there in fact :) |
| 22:57.49 | quitte | or maybe try asking |
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| 22:57.55 | enouf | that too |
| 22:58.09 | PhorceP | I've got a raid6 under squeeze. After the mdadm 2.5.3 upgrade broke it, I went through the steps in /usr/share/doc/mdadm/README.upgrading-2.5.3.gz and was able to rebuild to the point where both mdadm and lvm see the array just fine. Now however I am still unable to mount it because the lvm device that lvm claims the raid is on doesn't exist in the file system. Suggestions? |
| 22:58.26 | bododo | quitte: yeah, why not! it's my trackpad, it stops working after a wakeup (from a hibernate) |
| 22:58.57 | bododo | and I used to have 2 finger scroll on ubuntu, but don't have it on lenny anymoire |
| 22:59.13 | enouf | PhorceP: something like maybe man update-initramfs ; and vgchange -ay or something |
| 22:59.24 | enouf | PhorceP: careful |
| 22:59.44 | enouf | read up on all of those, and do backupS! |
| 23:00.01 | quitte | ok that is very ppc specific. I guess you should reall ask the list. the two finger scrolling is probably normal synaptics multitouch. |
| 23:00.20 | enouf | PhorceP: how is it trying to be mounted? autoassembled at boot? |
| 23:00.20 | simonrvn | bododo: tried tweaking the synaptics driver? |
| 23:00.27 | ethanw | synaptics support multitouch? O_O |
| 23:00.34 | quitte | bododo: suspend to ram works? |
| 23:00.37 | enouf | PhorceP: are you using a Debian kernel? |
| 23:00.39 | simonrvn | bododo: debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org |
| 23:00.42 | PhorceP | enouf: It's not the boot drive, if that's what you mean. I'd like it to be assembled at boot. |
| 23:00.43 | bododo | quitte: yes, the same (actually copied it from my previous hal policy) to my current xorg.conf |
| 23:00.53 | PhorceP | enouf: Yes |
| 23:00.56 | bododo | but the parameters (options) don't work anymore |
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| 23:01.09 | enouf | PhorceP: and so the initrd is there? |
| 23:01.35 | PhorceP | I ran update-initramfs -u -k all |
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| 23:01.39 | simonrvn | bododo: maybe the options changed? don't have permissions to acces the device via hal? something else? what's your system logs say, anything? |
| 23:01.42 | enouf | PhorceP: my sid system keeps trying to assemble non-existant RAIDs at boot - but it doesn't matter to me |
| 23:01.58 | enouf | PhorceP: ok - well - from where? |
| 23:02.04 | bododo | simonrvn: the xorg one? lemme check :) |
| 23:02.06 | enouf | PhorceP: had you chrooted? |
| 23:02.09 | quitte | bododo: i must admit that i didnt get it working,either. i think i read somewhere that it broke in squeeze. |
| 23:02.14 | bododo | should have checked it ou in fact |
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| 23:02.27 | enouf | PhorceP: i mean, if from a livecd boot |
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| 23:02.41 | simonrvn | bododo: no, hal, but yeh, check xorg too, good idea. |
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| 23:03.04 | enouf | PhorceP: sorry - so .. you can boot fine? seen /etc/default/mdadm ? |
| 23:03.09 | PhorceP | enouf: No, the OS is on a separate drive from the raid. I was able to boot just fine by just commenting the line that mounts the raid from fstab. |
| 23:03.39 | PhorceP | Yeah, I'm booting fine. |
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| 23:03.44 | enouf | righto |
| 23:03.54 | PhorceP | There is a /etc/default/mdadm |
| 23:04.07 | enouf | check it out |
| 23:04.38 | runa | heyas. I need to make a "simple" vpn between 4 different machines in different networks. I don't need encryption; should I use openvpn or there's something simpler? |
| 23:04.45 | enouf | PhorceP: can you tell if the RAID is the issue or the LVM on top, trying to mount ? |
| 23:04.53 | bododo | nothing in Xorg log |
| 23:05.20 | enouf | PhorceP: apologies - my focus is not so clear atm ... i'm trying though |
| 23:05.30 | PhorceP | enouf: Both mdadm and lvm see the raid just fine. They even can tell me space used and all the options that give info in lvm come up with the correct answers. |
| 23:05.54 | bododo | wait, where the hal log? |
| 23:06.04 | PhorceP | enouf: What's got me puzzled is why the device the lvm uses to address the raid (the one that I ultimately mount it with) doesn't exist in /dev/ |
| 23:06.13 | quitte | runa: the hard part is creating ssl certs. tinyca takes care of that. so there probably isn't an easier solution than openvpn |
| 23:06.25 | enouf | PhorceP: ahh ,, ok, so pastebin the nasty /etc/fstab lines please - perhaps wrong mdadm uuids? you know about /etc/madadm/mdadm.conf now |
| 23:07.06 | PhorceP | I already configured mdadm.conf and got mdadm running |
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| 23:07.15 | enouf | PhorceP: mdadm uuids are _not_ the same as blkid uuids, not /dev/disk/by-uuid ... etc |
| 23:07.17 | PhorceP | it sees the raid and as a result lvm is working |
| 23:07.28 | enouf | s/not/nor |
| 23:07.34 | enouf | but? |
| 23:07.39 | PhorceP | when I'm inside lvm it sees everything normally |
| 23:07.41 | enouf | pastebin |
| 23:07.58 | enouf | so it's not autoMOUNTING ? |
| 23:08.03 | PhorceP | but when I try to mount -t ext3 /dev/raid/lvm0 /raid |
| 23:08.06 | enouf | it IS autoassembling? |
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| 23:08.14 | enouf | what? |
| 23:08.15 | PhorceP | it doesn't work, because there is no /dev/raid dir |
| 23:08.23 | enouf | /dev/mapper/.. |
| 23:09.08 | enouf | PhorceP: what you've shown is not a fstab entry |
| 23:09.34 | PhorceP | #/dev/raid/lvm0 /raid ext3 defaults 0 2 |
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| 23:10.56 | enouf | no bueno ... IINM - checked the BTS about the /dev/mapper/ naming conventioning? or maybe i've got the wrong Debian release and Kernel versioning |
| 23:11.23 | enouf | !bts |
| 23:11.24 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 23:12.22 | PhorceP | enouf: Meanwhile, in lvm: http://pastebin.com/d7a96834e |
| 23:13.00 | PhorceP | hmm, that "NOT available" thing...didn't notice that before |
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| 23:15.12 | PhorceP | pretty sure I specified that LV name when I built it |
| 23:15.20 | PhorceP | so if it's not standard...that's why |
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| 23:19.02 | enouf | PhorceP: which release and kernel? |
| 23:20.00 | enouf | bododo: hal log? lshal ;-) |
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| 23:20.56 | PhorceP | enouf: squeeze, 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 23:21.16 | sylarrr | how much space do I need for .snapshot backups? |
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| 23:21.36 | joe-mac | anybody know if reprepro can automatically rename all the .new files it creates to drop not be .new? |
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| 23:21.54 | enouf | well "judd" is still dead, so check out your version of mdadm vs p.d.o |
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| 23:22.06 | enouf | your kernel should be newer |
| 23:22.10 | enouf | IINM |
| 23:22.21 | enouf | that's a Lenny kernel |
| 23:22.30 | enouf | and an older one |
| 23:22.40 | enouf | keep it .. but install a newer one |
| 23:23.01 | enouf | repoman? |
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| 23:23.20 | quitte | bier? |
| 23:23.33 | fanti | hello! i've patched xorg source, downloaded via apt-get source xorg-server, and i like to build a debian package with a custom version-number, something like xserver-xorg-1.6.1.XXX. how can i rewrite the version-string? |
| 23:23.53 | enouf | i get $100/hr to repo any gov agent cars :-) |
| 23:23.59 | fanti | (before building the package via dpkg-buildpackage -b) |
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| 23:24.03 | ethanw | quitte: single track mind? |
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| 23:24.13 | enouf | s/single/one/ |
| 23:24.22 | ethanw | oh whatever |
| 23:24.37 | enouf | just trying to help :-( |
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| 23:24.55 | quitte | ethanw: no. could have been a friend, judging by the nick and his provider. |
| 23:24.56 | ethanw | enouf: whats are /// things about anyway |
| 23:25.05 | enouf | man sed |
| 23:25.06 | ethanw | quitte: ahh i see |
| 23:25.11 | quitte | but then everybody is at t-online |
| 23:25.27 | ethanw | enouf: man sed what? |
| 23:25.39 | ethanw | :) |
| 23:25.42 | enouf | man sed |
| 23:25.44 | konr1 | how can I configure manually my wireless on installation without wireless-tools? |
| 23:26.09 | ethanw | konr1: have you got wpa_supplicant? |
| 23:26.17 | ethanw | seperate package iirc |
| 23:27.18 | fanti | no idea on the package version? |
| 23:27.18 | enouf | ethanw: s == substitute .. the other crap are / for a delimeter, which many things can be used, and the rest is "replace /this with /that" |
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| 23:27.32 | frogman | hi |
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| 23:27.35 | enouf | ethanw: so s/this/that/ |
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| 23:27.46 | ethanw | enouf: ahh ok. I would have looked it up, but its 0026 here |
| 23:27.50 | frogman | kubuntu sucks becuase madwifi is impossible to get working with it. |
| 23:28.00 | frogman | Is madwifi in Debian repos ? |
| 23:28.18 | frogman | this is my cardEthernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter |
| 23:28.20 | jpinx-eeepc | frogman: afaik yes |
| 23:28.27 | frogman | ok |
| 23:28.40 | frogman | i dont wanna spend all day installing debian when it sucks just as hard too. |
| 23:28.43 | sylarrr | what is the best backup tool? |
| 23:28.49 | frogman | hopefully this wont be a waste of my time. |
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| 23:29.24 | ethanw | my aptitude shows madwifi-tools and madwifi-source |
| 23:29.30 | quitte | i'm pretty sure it's not impossible with ubuntu. |
| 23:29.40 | frogman | it is |
| 23:29.48 | frogman | http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-get-atheros-ar5007eg-or-ar242x-wireless-cards-may-be-other-models-working-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html |
| 23:29.54 | frogman | failed miserably |
| 23:30.10 | frogman | wlan0 No scan results |
| 23:30.11 | quitte | why didn't you upgrade to jaunty before giving up? |
| 23:30.18 | frogman | i am in jaunty |
| 23:30.28 | jpinx-eeepc | quitte: this is a debian support channel |
| 23:30.43 | themill | !madwifi |
| 23:30.43 | dpkg | [madwifi] the <non-free> driver for non-USB wireless LAN devices with an Atheros chipset. To install on Lenny or Etch, ask me about <madwifi-install>. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask about <zd1211rw>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath_pci , http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/Support , #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. Removed from Debian to resolve bug #519446; Squeeze users, ask me about <ath5k> or <ath9k>. |
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| 23:31.02 | ix | !ubuntu |
| 23:31.03 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 23:31.09 | quitte | jpinx-eeepc: yes. do you really want to support a problem in debian that he thinks is unsolvable in ubuntu? |
| 23:31.12 | frogman | i was just asking if debian had it. |
| 23:31.35 | jpinx-eeepc | quitte: read the question |
| 23:31.39 | simonrvn | what a crap url, too |
| 23:33.10 | quitte | it seems i'm connected with the very same wlan card right now. works out of the box with 2.6.29 |
| 23:33.14 | fudgecake | once i've obtained php5-cli does it require a restart of apache? |
| 23:33.28 | simonrvn | cli... |
| 23:33.37 | simonrvn | command-line interface. |
| 23:33.40 | Niklas- | a/join ##xen |
| 23:34.35 | fudgecake | yes simonrvn |
| 23:34.43 | fudgecake | it doesn't appear to be working that's why i wondered |
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| 23:35.26 | nkuttler | fudgecake: apt-cache search php5 apache |
| 23:35.27 | themill | fudgecake: php5-cli has nothing to do with apache. What isn't working? |
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| 23:36.25 | ethanw | !pal Niklas |
| 23:36.26 | dpkg | points at Niklas and laughs hysterically |
| 23:36.32 | fudgecake | themill: -bash: php: command not found |
| 23:37.06 | tzanger | Good evening; I'm aware of the various dpkg cache packages out there, but I'm trying to find a way to show what packages a package depends on and tell me where the .deb is on my system (I've already got the packages installed, I'm trying to put them on a USB key for a friend) |
| 23:37.07 | nkuttler | fudgecake: dpkg -L php5-cli |grep bin |
| 23:37.07 | themill | fudgecake: Does /usr/bin/php exist? (ls /usr/bin/php) |
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| 23:37.24 | fudgecake | thanks, it's working now. |
| 23:37.27 | fudgecake | no idea what happened :S |
| 23:37.28 | tzanger | dpkg -s is helpful, but this seems like something I bet there is a really straightforward invocation for, if I just knew what it was. :-) |
| 23:37.29 | dpkg | You Fool! is helpful, but this seems like something I bet there is a really straightforward invocation for, if I just knew what it was. :-) is installed! |
| 23:37.50 | simonrvn | -S |
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| 23:38.38 | themill | tzanger: apt-zip might be what you're looking for. /msg dpkg apt-zip |
| 23:38.59 | pab | Can anyone tell me what I did wrong with this java env? http://paste.debian.net/37100 |
| 23:39.13 | enouf | i guess the raid6 with lvm failed :-( |
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| 23:39.35 | enouf | update-java-alternatives ? |
| 23:39.37 | themill | pab: that should be fine, but it should also be unneeded. |
| 23:39.40 | pab | tried |
| 23:39.41 | enouf | why? no idea |
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| 23:40.01 | pab | what do I need themill? |
| 23:40.03 | enyawix | will webmin manage packages? |
| 23:40.06 | themill | pab: perhaps you could tell us what you're actually trying to solve |
| 23:40.10 | enouf | but why is it called that - when (almost) all others are update-alternatives ..... |
| 23:40.14 | nkuttler | enyawix: webmin is not in debian |
| 23:40.20 | tzanger | themill: that definitely gets me on the right track, thank you! |
| 23:40.35 | themill | enouf: because there are about 40 different alternatives that it updates for you |
| 23:40.45 | sepult | urgh |
| 23:40.46 | enouf | wtf is wrong with update-alternatives --config java-[TAB][TAB] |
| 23:40.54 | sepult | 1 Teraflops |
| 23:40.59 | sepult | 80 cores |
| 23:41.07 | enouf | i mean it sucks anyways .. but ATLEAST keep it regular |
| 23:41.19 | enouf | themill: so what? |
| 23:41.40 | themill | enouf: you're free to set them all yourself. Have fun with it. |
| 23:41.42 | pab | I need to set up my JAVA_HOME to work with pentaho & postgresql. echo $JAVA_HOME shows nothing as does env |
| 23:41.57 | enouf | the entire u-a system stinks IMHO .. but i wasn't arguing that point |
| 23:42.15 | enouf | i'm being realistic |
| 23:42.46 | enouf | the 'readlink' command has a field day on suppoesed binaries |
| 23:42.48 | themill | pab: nothing in debian should need JAVA_HOME set. But you'll need to remove the spaces around that assignment. |
| 23:42.48 | jpinx-eeepc | enyawix: no |
| 23:42.51 | tzanger | hmm all of these methods assume that you don't have the debs on a system already |
| 23:43.00 | ethanw | enyawix: it can use apt tho |
| 23:43.05 | themill | pab: just: JAVA_HOME="/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun" |
| 23:43.08 | tzanger | is there any way to just grab the debs out of the cache directory? |
| 23:43.10 | ethanw | enyamix: /msg dpkg webmin |
| 23:43.32 | enouf | themill: curiously - i have a very legitimate question ... conecerning all that .. |
| 23:44.24 | themill | tzanger: you'd have to hack something like that up yourself, I think |
| 23:44.51 | enouf | themill: when one does NOT have a DE installed (kde,gnome,xfce, etc) WHAT IS IT that sets the "Preferred Applications" that one find WITHIN ONLY the DE Control Center/Panel? |
| 23:44.59 | enouf | finds* |
| 23:45.48 | tzanger | themill: hmm okay, apt-zip-list also think that 'install' is a four-letter word for an apt-get option |
| 23:45.55 | enouf | i WOULD HAVE thought the u-a system (whyich i loathe) |
| 23:45.56 | themill | enouf: the DE either has its own built-in preferences set or it uses the alternatives system (e.g. x-www-browser or similar) |
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| 23:46.16 | enouf | themill: right - so .. ready for an example? |
| 23:46.31 | themill | care factor limited right now... |
| 23:46.42 | enouf | themill: understood - still ... |
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| 23:48.18 | enouf | themill: http://dcc.vu/ubuntu-linux-file-send-link-with-gmail.html |
| 23:48.42 | enouf | themill: how possibly to do so using iceweasel and no DE ? |
| 23:49.08 | enouf | themill: yes, i followed the URL to original |
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| 23:49.40 | stew | calloo callay |
| 23:49.44 | abrotman | stew: thanks! |
| 23:49.47 | themill | !wb judd |
| 23:49.48 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! judd has returned! |
| 23:50.05 | sepult | when is POLARIS released ? |
| 23:50.15 | abrotman | sepult: i think you're in the wrong channel |
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| 23:50.24 | sepult | oh nooose |
| 23:50.48 | enouf | themill: i still will not use iceweasel - i tried - it was 'o, k' once adblock and flashbloack were installed .. but then started eating 90% CPU .. so it got flushed |
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| 23:51.25 | themill | enouf: so you're asking about the "File -> Send link" option in which application? |
| 23:52.07 | enouf | themill: i'd prefer in links2 .. BUT i asked about within iceweasel, yet they IMPLY it's a DE setting |
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| 23:52.34 | themill | links2 has a "File -> Send link" command? |
| 23:52.35 | enouf | there are NO options for "Preferred Applications" within FF/IW |
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| 23:52.42 | enouf | those are DE options |
| 23:52.49 | enouf | AFAICT |
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| 23:53.07 | themill | (and you must be pretty unlucky with iceweasel... I have 79 tabs open atm and it's not struggling like that at all) |
| 23:53.17 | enouf | themill: no, but it DOES have a Settings -> Mail App ->> or similar |
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| 23:53.26 | johan_ | How do i check what programs i have installed? |
| 23:53.38 | enouf | johan_: check? for toothaches? |
| 23:53.39 | abrotman | !tell johan_ about installed |
| 23:53.58 | sepult | johan_: dpkg --get-selections "*" |
| 23:54.00 | tzanger | themill: apt-offline is about the best solution I think... consequently it also seems the oldest :-) |
| 23:54.09 | themill | enouf: in iceweasel, Preferences -> Applications -> Content type = mailto, Action = whatever you want. |
| 23:54.20 | enouf | themill: yes, i'm not generally considered 'lucky' .. i have to break my ass to get shit done |
| 23:54.21 | tzanger | themill: thanks for putting me on the right track, I'm downloading the files out of laziness instead of trying to work throuhg /var/cache/apt/archives :-) |
| 23:54.57 | enouf | themill: it's still installed -- i will do that now - thanks |
| 23:55.07 | johan_ | thanks |
| 23:55.31 | themill | tzanger: path of least resistance! |
| 23:55.41 | tzanger | yep |
| 23:55.46 | enouf | erm .. it's dead .. wait .. let me do the 5000 arrows to get to it from the Debian Menu within openbox |
| 23:55.58 | tzanger | if I'd play with it for a half hour I bet I'd have it, but whatev |
| 23:57.28 | enouf | ok so - Rigth click blank area --> Debian --> Applications --> Network ---> Web Brwosing --> choices ... hahahahaha |
| 23:57.55 | *** join/#debian gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) |
| 23:58.07 | enouf | yeah, people NEVER weant to open their WEB BROWSERS ... |
| 23:58.13 | enouf | nm that |
| 23:58.16 | enouf | sorry |
