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| 00:08.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | quitte, no, it goes from pdf to pdf |
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| 00:09.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Neil_, apt-cache search drupal --------> dh-make-drupal ? |
| 00:10.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | quitte, and it's quite neat, it uses latex to put the pages on one... |
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| 00:15.49 | agaran | any reason why on mounted by root ntfs volume root get eperm to delete jpg files? its rw mounted, atleast mount says so, in dmesg there is RW too |
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| 00:17.27 | adama__ | agaran: useing ntfs-3g? |
| 00:17.50 | IamSOG | Oh drupal... u making discuession web pages ? |
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| 00:17.57 | adama__ | iirc it will say rw in mount but say the fs is ro if you are using regular ntfs driver |
| 00:18.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, why would it say it's rw then |
| 00:18.44 | adama__ | I don't know, but that's what I've found |
| 00:19.06 | adama__ | it says rw in mount, but when you go to rm or touch a file it will say error: read-only FS |
| 00:19.07 | agaran | adama__: nope, stock module from lenny |
| 00:19.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ntfs-3g |
| 00:19.26 | dpkg | somebody said ntfs-3g was a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org etch> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 00:19.29 | adama__ | apt-get install ntfs-3g and mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/... /... |
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| 00:19.48 | agaran | ok, trying, thank you |
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| 00:22.47 | zachera | hi |
| 00:22.57 | zachera | i just selected to resize my vista partition on my laptop... did i lose anything? :( |
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| 00:24.57 | nkuttler | zachera: is this question somehow debian-related? |
| 00:25.01 | zachera | yes |
| 00:25.06 | zachera | because i'm installing debian |
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| 00:25.37 | nkuttler | zachera: well, try to mount the partition and see yourself. the installer shouldn't destroy any data |
| 00:25.50 | zachera | it says |
| 00:25.52 | zachera | "Please wait... |
| 00:26.02 | zachera | 0% resizing parition... |
| 00:26.04 | zachera | :| |
| 00:26.09 | zachera | taken forever |
| 00:26.17 | zachera | 263.6 GB -> 75.0 GB |
| 00:26.23 | nkuttler | i guess it's parted... which was very slow last time i used it |
| 00:26.28 | zachera | from -> to resize |
| 00:26.37 | zachera | does that take a long time to resize? |
| 00:26.43 | adb | yes |
| 00:26.50 | nkuttler | zachera: how much free space did you have on that partition? |
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| 00:27.04 | zachera | a shitload, lol |
| 00:27.25 | nkuttler | zachera: go for food, after that for a beer, then to sleep, then come back :) |
| 00:27.41 | zachera | lolz |
| 00:27.59 | nkuttler | really, backup, format, reinstall is probably faster |
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| 00:28.57 | zachera | the partition is smaller |
| 00:29.01 | zachera | its like 236 GB |
| 00:29.05 | Tapout | has anyone tried ext4? ... |
| 00:29.07 | zachera | and the hard drive itself is 250 GB in total |
| 00:29.30 | adb | !ext4 |
| 00:29.30 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Adds features such as support for volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy. http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:29.35 | nkuttler | Tapout: no. nobody. ever. |
| 00:30.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | nkuttler, true |
| 00:30.06 | Tapout | nkuttler, you waited for that moment to come back with that? Nice try jack... open mic amateur nite at yuk yuks is where you should use your 'talent'. |
| 00:30.11 | Tapout | my question was going to be a follow up to that person |
| 00:30.12 | zachera | ext4 can hold 4EB, lolwtf |
| 00:30.36 | nkuttler | !tell Tapout about polls |
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| 00:31.23 | zachera | what about ext5? |
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| 00:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | what about it |
| 00:32.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ext5 will support filesystems big enough to store the whole universe |
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| 00:32.43 | SuperMiguel | which command can i use to find out what filesystem type im suing? |
| 00:32.52 | SuperMiguel | using* |
| 00:32.55 | MRCUTEO | hi where can i find debian .deb packages repository? |
| 00:32.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 00:32.56 | nkuttler | SuperMiguel: mount |
| 00:33.02 | Zharf | not large enough to hold the combination of moves in the game of go then! |
| 00:33.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | SuperMiguel, I just wondered how much money one could possibly make suing file systems |
| 00:33.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zharf, ext6 |
| 00:33.53 | nkuttler | not much if you use reiser i guess.. |
| 00:33.54 | adb | CutMeOwnThroat: except black holes ;) |
| 00:34.09 | Zharf | CutMeOwnThroat, awesome |
| 00:34.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, no, black holes included - parralel universes as well as storing all moves in go will be tasks for ext6 |
| 00:34.48 | adb | oh, awesome |
| 00:34.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | experts fight over what will be harder to do... |
| 00:35.31 | maligor | ext5 will support storing other filesystems in it's metadata! |
| 00:35.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, reiserfs can already do it in the next version, but if you have a crash, parts of your universe might be gone |
| 00:36.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !start a filesystem war |
| 00:36.08 | dpkg | UDF will eat all your data!! |
| 00:36.23 | jvogel | Hi - I'm running Debian Squeeze 2.6.29. I'm using iceweasel with Tab Mix Plus installed for multi-row tabs but my 3rd row gets cut off, anyone have any idea of what's going on: http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/24/iceweaseltabs.png |
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| 00:37.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... I have... as in "you have too many tabs" |
| 00:37.27 | Zharf | browse wikipedia for five hours.. then you'll have too many tabs, CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 00:38.03 | agaran | jvogel: seems you gave me idea what extension to browser i need to install, thank you |
| 00:38.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zharf, I normally have too many *windows* - many of them having tabs again... |
| 00:38.23 | Zharf | I never have more than one browser window |
| 00:38.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I have never more than 100 |
| 00:38.36 | nkuttler | jvogel: works here, but i use firefox with tab kit |
| 00:38.42 | Zharf | CutMeOwnThroat, windows? |
| 00:38.43 | Zharf | :) |
| 00:38.54 | jvogel | agaran: haha np |
| 00:38.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | *browser* windows! |
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| 00:39.01 | Zharf | sleeps |
| 00:39.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zharf, and what I don't miminize is distributed over the 32 virtual desktops |
| 00:41.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zharf, heh, indeed still under 100... and only 10 browser windows! $ wmctrl -l |wc -l ---> 61 |
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| 00:41.55 | agaran | 100 windows? |
| 00:41.59 | agaran | you have too much mem |
| 00:42.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | sadly not :( |
| 00:42.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://pastebin.com/ff997c89 |
| 00:42.57 | agaran | CutMeOwnThroat: only about 8 times more than i have.. ;) |
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| 00:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | as you see it's barely enough |
| 00:43.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I remember when a 2GB _harddisk_ was big... |
| 00:43.28 | agaran | i see.. |
| 00:43.37 | agaran | i still has my own 40MB harddisk.. |
| 00:43.47 | agaran | also my first 486 etc.. |
| 00:43.50 | ricochet | Question about iptables: I need make packets jump from OUTPUT chain to INPUT chain. Can anyone tell me how to do this? (the issue is the outgoing packets are going out a raw socket to eth0, and I need some routed to the local machine.) |
| 00:44.06 | ricochet | r/chain/table |
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| 00:46.41 | xattack | ricochet:do you want to redirect hte outgoing packets to a socket ? |
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| 00:47.39 | ricochet | xattack: I'd just like to redirect it back to input, so it goes through the stack (and is routed appropriately locally) |
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| 00:49.21 | zachera | nkuttler: the partition resizing just finished, lol |
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| 00:50.14 | nkuttler | zachera: apparently parted made progresses since i used it last time |
| 00:50.46 | zachera | you have to understand, i'm on a dual core |
| 00:50.49 | zachera | 4GB memory laptop |
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| 00:51.15 | nkuttler | i always thougt it's a matter of io, not cpu, but good for you |
| 00:51.37 | agaran | probably also sata II |
| 00:51.45 | agaran | with reasonable sized cache on disk.. |
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| 01:07.20 | lewis2 | what's the pattern matching for splitting a string by the first instance of a space? |
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| 01:12.47 | efaistos | does anyone use PostgreSQL under Lenny ? |
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| 01:25.49 | nkuttler | lewis2: depends on which app/language you use |
| 01:26.02 | nkuttler | efaistos: maybe |
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| 01:31.04 | simbioz | hi |
| 01:31.05 | ajavid | !anyone use |
| 01:31.05 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 01:33.48 | SuperMiguel | so i have about 800GB in one computer and i want to transfered it to another one over the network is the best way to do it is using the scp command?? |
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| 01:36.36 | nkuttler | SuperMiguel: scp is kind of slow. if it's a secure network http/ftp etc are much faster |
| 01:36.37 | jayeola | scp -r /path/to/dir user@server: or user@server:/path/to/remote/dir |
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| 01:37.15 | nkuttler | SuperMiguel: of course, you could just put the hd in the other box |
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| 01:37.22 | thotsoft | INSTALL SUN-JAVA5 |
| 01:37.35 | thotsoft | help me pleas?? |
| 01:37.54 | nkuttler | thotsoft: what are you trying to do? |
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| 01:40.16 | adb | efaistos: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/ed3796f897d9b478?pli=1 |
| 01:40.22 | thotsoft | i am installing Openmeetings |
| 01:40.46 | jpinx | SuperMiguel: rsync is interruptible ;) |
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| 01:47.18 | IamSOG | um.. still unable to fix my sound in Lenny, so odd |
| 01:48.09 | Cris_tux_careca | :D |
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| 01:48.55 | Cris_tux_careca | lenny is phoda ------->>> D++ |
| 01:49.10 | Cris_tux_careca | very good |
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| 01:52.12 | Cris_tux_careca | is quitting |
| 01:52.19 | Cris_tux_careca | is caindo fora |
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| 01:58.12 | jerware | hi |
| 01:58.30 | jerware | likes lenny becuaes it comes with kde |
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| 01:58.43 | efaistos | adb: thanks it was that ... but its weird anyway ... should have been done during the installation |
| 01:59.18 | adb | np |
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| 02:01.54 | adb | efaistos: sent a patch , maybe w'll be welcome |
| 02:01.55 | lindenle | What is the package that contains the new kde4 network config widget |
| 02:02.24 | adb | !search |
| 02:02.24 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking. Eg, 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install) 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online), and <help find> (bot). <dpkg search> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 02:02.44 | lindenle | adb: did already and cannot find... |
| 02:04.11 | adb | knetworkconf ? |
| 02:05.04 | adb | kdenetwork |
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| 02:10.35 | efaistos | adb: cheers ;) |
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| 02:11.27 | lindenle | How do i get the network widget in kde4? |
| 02:12.59 | thotsoft | http://www.esdebian.org/foro/24641/instalacion-sdk-java-jdk-java |
| 02:13.45 | kanon-mat | lindenle: isn't there a network management widget in "add widgets"? |
| 02:14.48 | kanon-mat | otherwise there is an "Install new widgets" button |
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| 02:28.32 | jerware | likes netbeans |
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| 02:34.51 | phasegen | how can I force force dpkg to reconfigure the xserver and change my screen resolutions? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't work. |
| 02:35.11 | SuperMiguel | scp vs rsync? |
| 02:36.41 | phasegen | it has me on a regular screen resolution, and I need a widescreen res. Is there a new or different tool? |
| 02:39.07 | phasegen | should I uninstall xrandr? |
| 02:43.30 | phasegen | I'm starting to understand why people use ubuntu, it's not a lack of wanting to learn, it's not being able to operate as a user, unsearchable documentation, and nobody willing to take the time to help. |
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| 02:51.04 | pickcoder | as well as user impatience |
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| 02:52.18 | pickcoder | SuperMiguel: was that a question or are you hosting a file transfer battle? |
| 02:52.39 | pickcoder | if it's a question then you need to add a little more to it |
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| 03:05.53 | mouseclone | is lenny the latest stable? |
| 03:06.10 | pickcoder | yes |
| 03:06.13 | mouseclone | just wondering because I hear so much about etch |
| 03:06.23 | pickcoder | etch is currently old-stable |
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| 03:06.30 | pickcoder | squeeze is testing |
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| 03:08.02 | mouseclone | thank you |
| 03:08.23 | mouseclone | now to see if I cant get the netinstall iso bootable on my thumb drive |
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| 03:10.27 | t_corr | hey maybe someone here will know - i remember seeing some time in the past on one of the "sys admin" sites a standard remote access terms of use banner but i cannot find it |
| 03:10.44 | t_corr | i wanna find it to compare it to the ssh banner i have now |
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| 03:12.50 | mouseclone | t_corr: here is one http://mcwresearch.com/archives/18 |
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| 03:13.49 | aaron_ | can someone help me with this apt-get update error here it is http://pastebin.ca/1438949 |
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| 03:16.09 | adb | aaron_: !sources |
| 03:17.23 | maximi89_ | aaron_: do i know you? |
| 03:17.51 | aaron_ | maximi89_, i dont know |
| 03:17.55 | karsten | maximi89_: The question is: have you slept with him. |
| 03:18.14 | aaron_ | lol |
| 03:18.26 | aaron_ | that's odd karsten shame on you |
| 03:18.33 | karsten | aaron_: if it's odd ... |
| 03:18.38 | karsten | aaron_: ... increment it. |
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| 03:19.02 | adb | aaron_: ask bot about sources |
| 03:19.28 | karsten | aaron_: For starters you're missing a signing key, you should update your keys. |
| 03:20.10 | karsten | aaron_: I'm not sure why your packages file couldn't be downladed, but try fetching that (wget, curl) seperately to see if there are issues with that mirror. |
| 03:20.32 | aaron_ | karsten, how can i update my keys? |
| 03:21.27 | adb | aaron_: install debian-archive-keyring |
| 03:21.29 | karsten | aaron_: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key 73E6B0FAA42A6CF5 |
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| 03:22.00 | karsten | aaron_: ... then gpg --export 73E6B0FAA42A6CF5 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 03:22.10 | karsten | aaron_: ... though verifying keys is a very useful step as well. |
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| 03:22.33 | aaron_ | got it |
| 03:22.38 | mouseclone | ok I'm at a loss, is there a way to get the netboot iso image of lenny to a usb and boot from that? I just want to be able to boot from the thumbdrive and do a net install |
| 03:22.41 | karsten | erm: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv <key ID> |
| 03:22.49 | karsten | isn't a manpage. |
| 03:23.00 | karsten | is much larger and less convenient to store on a hard drive. |
| 03:23.14 | karsten | aaron_: That's an unoffical repo key anyway. |
| 03:23.52 | pickcoder | compresses karsten and dd's karsten to a disk image |
| 03:24.03 | karsten | aaron_: ... and it's only got one signature that's not a self-signature, so I'd say it's not too well known or trusted. |
| 03:24.07 | karsten | pickcoder: Ouch! |
| 03:24.24 | karsten | pickcoder: OTOH, I've been trying everything else to lose weight, might as well do gzip. |
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| 03:24.33 | pickcoder | bzip2 ftw |
| 03:24.46 | karsten | pickcoder: bzip2 ft CPU utilization! |
| 03:25.24 | karsten | aaron_: Try 'aptitude update' again. |
| 03:25.28 | karsten | And I've got to fly. |
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| 03:25.35 | karsten | starts flapping his arms.... |
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| 03:28.44 | adb | mouseclone: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 03:29.11 | Rusty1 | http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ << mouseclone >> http://basic.vox.com/library/post/debian-install-netboot-from-usb-flash-drive.html |
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| 03:34.07 | SuperMiguel | using virtualbox which setting do u put in network for it to give a local ip address? |
| 03:34.24 | d0htem | internal network i believe |
| 03:34.49 | d0htem | or computer-only/host-only whatever its called may also |
| 03:34.52 | d0htem | its updated now |
| 03:35.00 | SuperMiguel | host interface? |
| 03:35.37 | d0htem | 1 sec opening it |
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| 03:35.57 | Chewie[] | debian lenny, installed with 1 nic, then added two more. i now have eth0, eth1 and eth0_rename.. why no eth2? |
| 03:36.24 | d0htem | yeah internal should be nat |
| 03:36.33 | IamSOG | I have seen it's able to Encrypt the home directory... but I wonder what happen if you need back ups or if the OS went down... how to recover or back up the data ? :o |
| 03:36.51 | d0htem | host-only must be if u wanna designate an interface to the guest |
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| 03:37.52 | Tiamat | oi |
| 03:37.55 | d0htem | so internal with have somesort of dhcp |
| 03:38.06 | d0htem | yeah internal should be nat* no idea what i meant |
| 03:38.20 | d0htem | if not then static but thats a host only network |
| 03:38.20 | Tiamat | estou procurando o channel do brasil |
| 03:38.37 | aaron_ | !tell Tiamat about debian-br |
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| 04:03.45 | Vivatma | hello, am trying to use rsync to keep one file updated with remote ftp host. |
| 04:03.52 | Vivatma | I gotta use ssh ? |
| 04:05.23 | \amethyst | rsync doesn't do ftp; but rsync is a bit overkill for a single file anyway |
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| 04:05.46 | Vivatma | so, it just work with ssh then ? |
| 04:05.58 | Vivatma | and I have to got ssh acount first ? |
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| 04:07.16 | \amethyst | if you have ftp access but not ssh, you might look into lftp's 'mirror' command |
| 04:07.44 | \amethyst | it can do timestamp/size comparison to only download/upload changed files |
| 04:07.57 | Vivatma | mirror command ? |
| 04:08.27 | \amethyst | Vivatma: lftp is a command-line ftp client that has a 'mirror' command |
| 04:08.36 | \amethyst | Vivatma: in addition to the normal get, put, ls, etc |
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| 04:09.02 | Vivatma | In fact I just want to update my local repository |
| 04:09.24 | \amethyst | Vivatma: from a remote FTP host? |
| 04:09.59 | Vivatma | yes |
| 04:10.15 | \amethyst | Vivatma: lftp can do that with the mirror command; aptitude install lftp then man lftp |
| 04:10.43 | Vivatma | if it is powerful : ), I would try it too |
| 04:11.34 | \amethyst | Vivatma: it's one of the most powerful command-line ftp clients I've seen, along with ncftp |
| 04:11.58 | Vivatma | but what I want to do is update the local repository. : ) |
| 04:12.14 | \amethyst | Vivatma: yes, that's what mirror does |
| 04:12.24 | Vivatma | really ? |
| 04:12.29 | \amethyst | Vivatma: yes |
| 04:12.33 | Vivatma | only update the file which is updated |
| 04:12.37 | Vivatma | ? |
| 04:12.50 | \amethyst | Vivatma: yes |
| 04:12.53 | Vivatma | local mirror. : ) |
| 04:13.10 | Vivatma | the "lftp" ? right ? |
| 04:13.14 | \amethyst | Vivatma: yes |
| 04:13.23 | \amethyst | Vivatma: it can do a reverse mirror (upload) too |
| 04:13.23 | Vivatma | okay.thankyou very much |
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| 04:13.41 | \amethyst | Vivatma: I used to use reverse mirror to push my website, before I moved to a different host that gives me ssh access |
| 04:14.28 | Vivatma | oh, so, you r using rsync now ? |
| 04:14.32 | Vivatma | to Synch |
| 04:14.32 | \amethyst | yes |
| 04:14.47 | Vivatma | can lftp access http:// ? |
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| 04:15.19 | \amethyst | Vivatma: yes, but I don't know if it does mirroring from http or not |
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| 04:16.06 | Vivatma | okay. I would google it |
| 04:16.12 | Vivatma | thankyou \amethyst |
| 04:17.12 | \amethyst | (since there's no standard way of getting a directory listing over http) |
| 04:17.26 | Vivatma | : ) |
| 04:17.58 | \amethyst | well, I guess there's webdav |
| 04:18.36 | Vivatma | webdav ? |
| 04:19.04 | Vivatma | Web-based Distributed Authoring and Versioning (WebDAV) ? |
| 04:19.53 | cool | lftp can mirror |
| 04:20.15 | cool | ftp or http |
| 04:21.14 | Vivatma | good |
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| 04:36.38 | jpinx | In a new base install without X, man requests give me = man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct. But when I run dpkg --configure locales it tells me that it's configured, but with errors. Any clues anyone please? |
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| 04:42.02 | \amethyst | jpinx: can you pastebin the output (including stderr) of locale ? |
| 04:42.04 | hark | jpinx: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 04:42.16 | \amethyst | oh |
| 04:42.20 | \amethyst | I missed that entirely |
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| 04:45.16 | jpinx | thanks hark - that's running now |
| 04:45.19 | hark | "it tells me that it's configured, but with errors" <- what errors or is it a typo? |
| 04:46.31 | jpinx | man is still giving me "man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct" |
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| 04:46.50 | \amethyst | oh, dpkg --configure didn't give you an error itself? that's good |
| 04:47.08 | jpinx | let me run that |
| 04:47.30 | \amethyst | the dpkg-reconfigure was what you wanted |
| 04:47.39 | jpinx | no I ran both |
| 04:48.01 | jpinx | --configure says it's done but there's errors (unspecified) |
| 04:48.38 | \amethyst | jpinx: oh, that's the "already installed and configured" error |
| 04:48.38 | jpinx | dpkg-reconfigure does it's thing and shows no errors, but man still throws man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
| 04:48.54 | \amethyst | jpinx: what does locales print? |
| 04:49.00 | jpinx | yes - presumably it doesn't want to instal again |
| 04:49.01 | \amethyst | jpinx: sorry, locale |
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| 04:49.30 | jpinx | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 04:49.43 | enouf | run localegen? |
| 04:49.48 | jpinx | also the same for _MESSAGES and _ALL |
| 04:49.58 | \amethyst | jpinx: it should say LANG= something after that |
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| 04:50.09 | jpinx | enouf command not found |
| 04:50.22 | enouf | heh |
| 04:50.40 | jpinx | \amethyst: yes - I have LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 |
| 04:50.59 | \amethyst | jpinx: and when you did dpkg-reconfigure locales did you pick that locale? |
| 04:51.21 | jpinx | nope |
| 04:51.39 | \amethyst | jpinx: so you haven't generated the en_NZ.UTF-8 locales yet |
| 04:52.00 | jpinx | presumably not - i'm chrooted into the OS |
| 04:52.29 | \amethyst | jpinx: dpkg-reconfigure locales will ask you to select the locales to generate |
| 04:52.45 | \amethyst | jpinx: or if this is too much trouble and you have the disk space, you can install locales-all |
| 04:53.01 | \amethyst | jpinx: it's only a few megabytes |
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| 04:53.23 | jpinx | if I do locales all I can install localepurge and that will delete unwanted stuff - no? |
| 04:53.32 | enouf | yep |
| 04:53.46 | jpinx | k - give me a minute |
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| 04:55.12 | jpinx | 2613KBs for locales-all - and we'll see if localespurge gives me a good whack of that back |
| 04:56.27 | jpinx | Hmm - now getting an error /dev/pts not mounted? during install setting up |
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| 04:57.07 | \amethyst | jpinx: oh, sorry, it's actually 80+MB once uncompressed |
| 04:57.43 | \amethyst | jpinx: the package itself contains a compressed tarball that gets extracted later, which 'unpacked size' doesn't take into account |
| 04:57.54 | jpinx | \amethyst: it told me After unpacking 2613kB will be used. |
| 04:58.02 | jpinx | bleh! |
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| 05:41.16 | FareWell | hi |
| 05:41.30 | FareWell | I'm having trouble updating a debian package I wrote long ago to the new standards. Where can I find help? |
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| 05:42.56 | ssm | FareWell: The Debian Policy Manual at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/, the new maintainer's guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/, and the tool "lintian" |
| 05:43.14 | FareWell | ssm: lintian gives me errors, but I can't make sense of them |
| 05:43.29 | FareWell | btw, has linda been retired or replaced by something else? |
| 05:43.30 | ssm | pipe them through lintian-info |
| 05:43.38 | ssm | ...for more text |
| 05:44.23 | ssm | I'm not sure about linda, haven't used it |
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| 05:45.33 | FareWell | for instance, it complains about my not using ${misc:Depends} but it doesn't explain HOW to use it |
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| 05:46.36 | ssm | Just add it to the Depends line in debian/control, I think it's used by debhelper |
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| 05:49.25 | FareWell | when I add it, I get: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: warning: can't parse dependency ${misc:Depends} |
| 05:49.52 | FareWell | updates dpkg-dev |
| 05:50.23 | FareWell | to no avail |
| 05:50.41 | FareWell | how do I use the damn thing? Is there an example anywhere? |
| 05:51.20 | FareWell | grep'ing the policy file yields nothing |
| 05:51.24 | FareWell | man debhelper neither |
| 05:51.51 | ssm | FareWell: my varnish package's debian/control at http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-varnish/packages/varnish/trunk/debian/control |
| 05:52.13 | FareWell | thanks |
| 05:52.24 | ssm | Did you add it to Build-Depends? |
| 05:52.36 | ssm | or the binary package Depends lines? |
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| 05:56.06 | FareWell | ssm: OK, got it thanks to you |
| 05:56.12 | FareWell | I had added it to Build-Depends |
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| 05:56.35 | FareWell | and didn't have a Depends for the package, since it doesn't depend on anything (it's a standalone shell script) |
| 05:56.53 | FareWell | now lintian is hushed |
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| 05:58.04 | Wesley_ | hi, our server has a software raid1; this morning it hung with the following: raid1 hda2: rescheduleing error |
| 05:58.31 | Wesley_ | and end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 18099903 |
| 05:58.51 | Wesley_ | any suggestions? |
| 05:59.01 | Wesley_ | reboot seem to have 'fixed' it but I doubt it |
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| 06:01.22 | FareWell | what's next to get my package uploaded? |
| 06:01.52 | ssm | use "dput" or a similar tool, to a new server... moment. |
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| 06:02.56 | ssm | if you install dput, and check /etc/something/dput.cf, you'll see a ssh.upload.debian.org entry |
| 06:02.57 | Quetzlocoatl | hi ! |
| 06:03.16 | ssm | /etc/dput.cf, that is |
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| 06:03.45 | Quetzlocoatl | how can i change for 10 users the shell from /bin/bash to /bin/false |
| 06:03.53 | FareWell | ssm: a few years ago, I dput my package on some place there, but it took a year for my package to be uploaded |
| 06:04.02 | FareWell | Quetzlocoatl, emacs ? |
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| 06:04.09 | FareWell | chsh ? |
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| 06:04.24 | ssm | Quetzlocoatl: for user in foo bar baz gazonk dadadodo anotheruser; do chsh -s /bin/false $user; done |
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| 06:04.44 | Quetzlocoatl | i mean automatically |
| 06:04.52 | ssm | Quetzlocoatl: how automatically? |
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| 06:06.15 | Quetzlocoatl | i mean running a command or a script for all users in /home directory |
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| 06:06.43 | FareWell | cd /home ; for i in * ; do chsh -s /bin/false $i ; done |
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| 06:07.00 | FareWell | which of course forgets the user's preference, so when you want to undo, you lose |
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| 06:07.52 | ssm | and you may end up trying to change the shell for lost+found :P |
| 06:08.46 | FareWell | Quetzlocoatl, if you're not able to do your own scripting, this channel cannot help you. man bash. man grep. man sed. man perl. |
| 06:09.55 | ssm | ...and not even a thank you :P |
| 06:10.14 | FareWell | ssm: thank you! :) |
| 06:10.20 | ssm | :) |
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| 06:14.10 | Vivatma | apt db ? |
| 06:14.10 | apt | from memory, db is at ftp://leguin.openprojects.net:/pub/irc/, or this hostname does not exist :), or http://lain.cheme.cmu.edu/~apt/blootbot, or try !your factoids |
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| 06:22.32 | awk | never mind, the bot helped m e |
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| 06:53.36 | pawel314 | in /var/aptitude/log i have history from ~2weeks, how to increase this time period (to at least 1 month)? |
| 06:53.48 | pawel314 | eh /var/log/aptitude |
| 06:54.59 | ham5 | how would I go about gettin my dual wan working with my ftp only giving out 1 ip? |
| 06:55.06 | khaije | isnt there a firefox plugin that allows me to group tabs with a label, like 'work' and 'apt search' ? |
| 06:55.32 | ham5 | isent there something server side to balance the load or something so when the one is maxed out it would use some of the other bandwith? |
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| 06:56.15 | unop_ | pawel314, my guess is you adjust params in /etc/logrotate.d/aptitude or similar |
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| 06:56.47 | rodrigo | hello |
| 06:56.55 | gane | please anyone help me regarding the installation of xen & booting other OS through it |
| 06:57.46 | khaije | ham5: i think u want to link aggregation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_aggregation) |
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| 06:58.09 | khaije | ham5: if u google that +linux u should have some luck |
| 06:58.37 | pawel314 | unop_ thanks |
| 06:58.39 | ham5 | thanks ill look at that |
| 06:59.33 | rodrigo | some African |
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| 07:10.44 | H2S04 | dpkg, xrandr |
| 07:10.44 | dpkg | i guess xrandr is a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
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| 07:37.57 | mtnd3w | does anyone know of a good source.list? |
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| 07:39.18 | IamSOG | that depend on where you are |
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| 07:39.40 | rdz | hi all. is there a way to install grub non-interactively? |
| 07:39.49 | rdz | i mean, without going into the grub shell |
| 07:39.51 | mtnd3w | USA east coast |
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| 07:41.06 | kimda | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:41.10 | mtnd3w | or know anywhere i can generate a source list |
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| 07:42.32 | Zequi | any helpme whit cyrus-imap? |
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| 07:42.55 | streuner_ | mtnd3w: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 07:47.08 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i'm trying to get my files by bluetooth from my cellphone and i get this msg Nautilus cannot handle "obex" locations |
| 07:47.12 | Ariel_Calzada | any idea? |
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| 07:50.09 | fudgecake | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/2' - please check. - when i try to screen :S |
| 07:51.28 | streuner_ | fudgecake: cat /proc/version |
| 07:51.48 | fudgecake | paste here? |
| 07:51.55 | streuner_ | sure |
| 07:52.07 | fudgecake | Linux version 2.6.18-028stab060.8 (root@rhel5-32-build-xemul) (gcc version 4.1.2 20071124 (Red Hat 4.1.2-42)) #1 SMP Mon Feb 9 20:21:36 MSK 2009 |
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| 07:55.43 | streuner_ | fudgecake: why do you ask here then? |
| 07:55.56 | fudgecake | why not ask here? |
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| 07:56.11 | Guerin | fudgecake: is this #redhat? |
| 07:56.18 | streuner_ | because you are using fedora or redhat? |
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| 07:56.36 | fudgecake | damnit my friend said he put debian on it <_< |
| 07:56.42 | Guerin | hah |
| 07:56.52 | streuner_ | good idea ;-) |
| 07:56.52 | Guerin | he's not a friend if he put red hat on |
| 07:56.59 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 07:57.08 | fudgecake | That's annoyed me now |
| 07:57.08 | Guerin | -> beer |
| 07:57.13 | fudgecake | all i use is debian :/ |
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| 07:58.54 | fudgecake | wait guys, why does it show Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) Server at 67.202.88.42 Port 80 |
| 07:59.05 | Guerin | !htfswk |
| 07:59.05 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 07:59.28 | Guerin | well |
| 07:59.31 | IamSOG | nice the bot swear |
| 07:59.37 | streuner_ | fudgecake: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 07:59.44 | Guerin | it might be a vps on a box running a RH kernel |
| 07:59.50 | streuner_ | hm |
| 07:59.57 | fudgecake | ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:59.57 | streuner_ | that makes sense |
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| 08:00.26 | fudgecake | Na my friend wouldn't have put red hat on it because he knows id moan at him :p |
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| 08:00.38 | fudgecake | he said debian 5 |
| 08:00.48 | streuner_ | judd, versions libc6 |
| 08:00.49 | judd | streuner_: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-13 |
| 08:00.52 | d1b | hi there how do i go about approaching a dev who hasn't updated their package... in this case splix |
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| 08:01.08 | d1b | oh wait they have... |
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| 08:01.10 | d1b | nevermind |
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| 08:01.58 | mRCUTEO | how can i check the software i already install using dpkg command ? dpkg <?> |
| 08:02.25 | streuner_ | look at /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 08:02.42 | streuner_ | and read man dpkg |
| 08:02.43 | fudgecake | Anything else i can do/check? |
| 08:02.55 | fudgecake | I'm like 200% sure this aint red hat :p |
| 08:02.57 | Tipolosko | dpkg -l |
| 08:02.57 | dpkg | Tipolosko: I give up, what is it? |
| 08:03.08 | Tipolosko | hehehe :P |
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| 08:03.43 | mRCUTEO | Tipolosko thanks |
| 08:04.01 | mRCUTEO | actually i wanna check my linux-headers |
| 08:04.07 | mRCUTEO | i do dpkg -l linux-headers |
| 08:04.12 | mRCUTEO | and see the installation file |
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| 08:04.25 | mRCUTEO | but when i dpkg -r linux-headers i cant uninstall.. |
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| 08:04.32 | mRCUTEO | anyone can helP? |
| 08:05.00 | Tipolosko | mRCUTEO: why don't you use APT? apt-get remove thepackagename |
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| 08:05.12 | mRCUTEO | ic |
| 08:05.18 | mRCUTEO | thats more easy? |
| 08:05.27 | Tipolosko | it will take care of dependencies |
| 08:05.29 | mRCUTEO | a red hat user only before |
| 08:05.39 | mRCUTEO | okay thanks a lot Tipolosko |
| 08:05.39 | fudgecake | streuner_: ircd@Moonfire:~$ less /etc/debian_version output: 5.0 |
| 08:06.15 | streuner_ | fudgecake: well, thats definatly NOT 5.0 (lenny/stable) anymore |
| 08:06.17 | fudgecake | ircd@Moonfire:~$ cat /etc/issue Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
| 08:06.56 | streuner_ | fudgecake: look into /etc/apt/sources.list - its surely squeeze/testing |
| 08:07.54 | fudgecake | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main contrib non-free - is whats in there O_O |
| 08:08.19 | mtnd3w | what are some good beginner guides for lenny? |
| 08:08.46 | fudgecake | streuner_, i'm pretty confused, is it debian? :p |
| 08:09.04 | streuner_ | fudgecake: oh sorry, my mistake, its lenny/stable |
| 08:09.21 | streuner_ | gets another coffee |
| 08:09.23 | fudgecake | :p |
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| 08:09.45 | fudgecake | Any ideas why screen dont work? |
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| 08:11.37 | simonrvn | streuner_: i get "5.0.1" on my lenny box |
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| 08:12.40 | streuner_ | simonrvn: sure, the security line is in his sources.list? |
| 08:13.11 | simonrvn | well, s/he has to use it too ;). |
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| 08:13.24 | streuner_ | true |
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| 08:14.49 | mien | hi. im trying to set up a mailserver and wonder what my /etc/mailname should say. right now it says mail1.eu.foo.se here mail1 is my hostname and foo.se is the domain - what does the eu part mean, and should it be there? |
| 08:15.41 | sll | hello everybody! I'm interested to obtain a bluetoooth hedset, recomendations and suggestions are welcome thanks! |
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| 08:19.41 | ottoshmidt | is debian generally slower than ubutnu? as I noticed loading and opening/closing files happens at appr. the same speed but in conducting search in DBase debian is significantly slower... |
| 08:20.27 | ottoshmidt | running both on VM, with similar settings |
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| 08:20.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | not in my experience. |
| 08:20.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | is all i'll say to that ;) |
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| 08:23.26 | ottoshmidt | Kamping_Kaiser, worked with dbases? |
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| 08:24.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | ottoshmidt, not dbase specifically no. |
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| 08:25.38 | PiousMinion | Is there a way to change the size of the icons in the gnome menus? .....OR which theme element dictates that icon size(it's not the icon theme) ?? |
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| 08:26.40 | mien | spamassassin clamav-daemon cpio arj zoo nomarch lzop cabextract pax |
| 08:26.48 | mien | syr |
| 08:26.51 | mien | sry... |
| 08:27.03 | mien | pasted in wrong terminal... :) |
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| 08:27.41 | PiousMinion | channel != terminal. :P I make the same mistake sometimes. |
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| 08:29.41 | umarzuki | hi all |
| 08:30.07 | umarzuki | how do i know which package installs /usb/bin/omniNames ? |
| 08:30.14 | umarzuki | how do i know which package installs /usr/bin/omniNames ? |
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| 08:31.46 | simonrvn | !+tell umarzuki -about search |
| 08:31.46 | dpkg | told umarzuki about search. |
| 08:31.50 | simonrvn | !+tell umarzuki -about repeat |
| 08:31.51 | dpkg | told umarzuki about repeat. |
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| 08:36.30 | umarzuki | any other way to search package that will install /usr/bin/omniNames even if omniNames isn't there yet |
| 08:36.51 | umarzuki | dpkg -S /usr/bin/omniNames yields nothing |
| 08:36.51 | dpkg | Dingos ate my /usr/bin/omniNames yields nothing! |
| 08:37.17 | simonrvn | read the factoid again... |
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| 08:37.31 | PingFloyd | umarzuki: with apt-fiel |
| 08:37.36 | PingFloyd | apt-file* |
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| 08:41.12 | Tipolosko | umarzuki: as PingFloyd stated, you'll need apt-file. apt-get install apt-file apt-file update apt-file search /usr/bin/omniNames |
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| 08:44.27 | roconda | hi, how can I configure my server through a network proxy? |
| 08:44.52 | Ilyuha | hello, is there any way in Debian to check, what services start at the boot time, and enable or disable some of them, like in CentOS? |
| 08:44.57 | umarzuki | roconda: export http_proxy=IP:port |
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| 08:45.18 | roconda | thx, umarzuki, that was where I was looking for :) |
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| 08:45.56 | umarzuki | i'm not sure if you need to quote aroud IP:port |
| 08:46.43 | Tipolosko | umarzuki: export http_proxy=http://ip:port |
| 08:47.03 | Tipolosko | ops, that's for roconda :D |
| 08:47.35 | umarzuki | thanks PingFloyd, Tipolosko and simonrvn |
| 08:47.39 | roconda | I am also in a workgroup, would that be http_proxy=WORKGROUP\http://ip:port ? |
| 08:48.16 | roconda | anyway, lets try :) |
| 08:48.16 | mien | hi - i would like to restore my configurationfiles for postfix. is there un easy way doing that with apt? |
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| 08:49.32 | jelly | !wtf ssia |
| 08:49.34 | dpkg | SSIA: subject says it all |
| 08:49.41 | jelly | thanks, dpkg |
| 08:50.07 | jelly | Ilyuha: you could use sysv-rc-conf |
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| 08:57.48 | creature1 | i forgot how you open wlan connection |
| 08:57.56 | creature1 | i can see my wlan in the iwlist |
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| 09:02.39 | mib_58bec8 | hi all, is possibile |
| 09:02.57 | mib_58bec8 | configuring mdadm to auto-resync mirrored disks after fault? |
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| 09:05.43 | spike_ | How can I set a permanent IP address on an interface? |
| 09:05.53 | spike_ | I gets reset when the DHCP server dishes an IP address out to it |
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| 09:07.08 | OpenTokix | spike_: edit /etc/network/interfaces and apt-get remove dhcp3-client and /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 09:07.15 | spike_ | alright |
| 09:07.16 | spike_ | thanks |
| 09:07.19 | OpenTokix | spike_: yw |
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| 09:12.20 | simon1245 | Hello, Does anyone know a FTP client for Debian? |
| 09:12.24 | simon1245 | I need one fast, please help me |
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| 09:13.16 | superlinux | hi all |
| 09:13.22 | Shadur | simon: I'mpartial to lftp |
| 09:13.25 | simon1245 | Hello |
| 09:13.34 | simon1245 | Shadur: What you mean? |
| 09:14.12 | superlinux | has anyone here know or tried Mobiola Webcamera? it turns the nokia phone a webcamera |
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| 09:14.42 | simon1245 | I havne't |
| 09:14.44 | simon1245 | haven't* |
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| 09:16.43 | superlinux | there is somewhere i wanna reach with that , it has two parts : one on the phone and one on the PC |
| 09:16.49 | Danielss89 | Hmm.. im just looking at my auth.log and it seems like someone is doing a dictionary attack on my server right now :S |
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| 09:17.45 | superlinux | the phone part , and is free, must run as PC suite which on linux will give a serial USB /dev entry |
| 09:17.57 | Danielss89 | and it seems like they have been doing it since the 27th. |
| 09:18.09 | superlinux | my question is how can i read that streaming from the /dev entry? |
| 09:18.26 | superlinux | and as video of course? |
| 09:18.39 | Danielss89 | what can i do about this? |
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| 09:24.38 | superlinux | how will a blutooth dongle will look like? |
| 09:24.44 | superlinux | how will a blutooth dongle will look like on /dev? |
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| 09:27.47 | creature1 | bluetooth sux |
| 09:27.53 | frankS2 | bluetooth rocks |
| 09:27.53 | Tipolosko | superlinux: you'll not see it on /dev |
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| 09:28.01 | creature1 | yea not on linux it doesn't |
| 09:28.07 | jelly | creature1: thank you for that helpful insight |
| 09:28.07 | superlinux | ah ok |
| 09:28.09 | Tipolosko | only if you're using rfcomm you'll see /dev/rfcommX |
| 09:28.13 | creature1 | spent many weeks trying to make a bluetooth headset to work |
| 09:28.19 | superlinux | i was talking about the USB dongles |
| 09:28.31 | superlinux | i was talking about the bluetoth USB dongles |
| 09:29.12 | superlinux | Tipolosko cos i wanna be able to use Mobiola on linux |
| 09:29.28 | jelly | superlinux: do they have a Linux version? |
| 09:29.31 | superlinux | Mobiola turns the phone to a webcam |
| 09:29.37 | superlinux | NO |
| 09:29.39 | superlinux | they dont |
| 09:29.45 | jelly | superlinux: then you're SOL |
| 09:29.46 | superlinux | what I wanna do is |
| 09:30.15 | superlinux | use their phone side which do not have serial |
| 09:30.29 | superlinux | serial number to enter |
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| 09:31.05 | superlinux | and i noticed that if you connect as USB, they use the USB as serial port |
| 09:31.29 | superlinux | but you have to be in PC Suite mode |
| 09:32.04 | jelly | superlinux: it most likely won't magically turn your phone into a videolinux device, but will use some proprietary protocol requiring both endpoints to run their software |
| 09:32.13 | mien | hi. i want to rebuild original configuration files installed by apt - is that possible |
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| 09:32.46 | jelly | mien: if you have deleted smoe config files, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 09:33.01 | jelly | mien: or else just purge the packages in question and reinstall them |
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| 09:33.58 | superlinux | jelly i think it will work if i used the /dev USB Serial port |
| 09:34.43 | superlinux | and use a video program |
| 09:34.49 | pha | I am attempting to get uswsusp working on my Debian Sid machine. After reading the docs, a couple of SuSe web pages (http://en.opensuse.org/S2disk) regarding s2ram and s2disk I am stuck on one detail: CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND=y. I can not find this kernel option anywhere when attempting to configure the kernel. Any help would be greatly appreciated? |
| 09:35.09 | jelly | superlinux: video apps for linux expect a videolinux device. A serial port isn't one. |
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| 09:35.46 | jelly | pha: Debian's kernel are already built with that option. |
| 09:35.47 | superlinux | jelly so how i can stream the /dev/ACMxx? |
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| 09:36.06 | jelly | superlinux: not easily |
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| 09:37.03 | superlinux | so how about something like: cat /dev/ACM > /dev/video? |
| 09:37.10 | superlinux | will it work? |
| 09:37.16 | jelly | pha: more correctly, it's built with swsusp and uswsusp support. The actual CONFIG_ name has changed I think |
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| 09:37.29 | jelly | superlinux: no. |
| 09:38.00 | pha | No userspace software suspend support in the kernel -> The current kernel doesn't support userspace software suspend. Please recompile the kernel with the 'CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND=y' option. |
| 09:38.07 | pha | that's the error I am getting. |
| 09:38.13 | jelly | superlinux: you'll have to reverse engineer your app on windows to see what it sets up and how it communicates with the device |
| 09:38.19 | jelly | pha: uname -r? |
| 09:38.38 | jelly | superlinux: this is a nontrivial task |
| 09:38.59 | pha | 2.6.18-92.1.18.el5.028stab060.8xen |
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| 09:39.10 | superlinux | jelly ok |
| 09:39.11 | jelly | pha: that doesn't sound like a Debian kernel |
| 09:39.16 | superlinux | i'll see about it |
| 09:39.22 | OpenTokix | That is RH cernel |
| 09:39.25 | OpenTokix | kernel |
| 09:39.31 | OpenTokix | For RH 5.2 even I think |
| 09:39.36 | OpenTokix | in a virtual machine |
| 09:40.15 | creature1 | how do you set HD's to spin down after certain amount of idle? |
| 09:40.15 | matmo | hi all. I need to recover some disk space. "apt-move" looks to be the solution but are there any other options? |
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| 09:40.57 | matmo | (apt-move because lot of space taken by cache) |
| 09:41.03 | OpenTokix | creature1: hdparm |
| 09:41.11 | pha | oops a daisies. i'm pretty novice as you have just gathered from that one statement, why i'm attempting to install nemachinenx server & gonome so I can rdp my vps. |
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| 09:41.45 | creature1 | OpenTokix: yes thats the tool that spins down the HD |
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| 09:41.56 | jelly | pha: you cannot suspend a vserver vps. |
| 09:42.14 | OpenTokix | creature1: no, it sets APM-settings for spindownetc. |
| 09:42.28 | jelly | pha: vserver doesn't emulate hardware, it's more like a glorified chroot. |
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| 09:42.51 | pha | ahh right, thanks jelly - is there any other way I can go about fixing this problem then? |
| 09:42.58 | jelly | pha: what problem? |
| 09:43.01 | creature1 | OpenTokix: do you mean the -S ? |
| 09:43.07 | creature1 | -S set standby (spindown) timeout |
| 09:43.18 | OpenTokix | creature1: Might be a good start, yes |
| 09:43.49 | pha | would I probably be better with vnc? |
| 09:44.25 | creature1 | is it a hardware or software based setting? |
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| 09:45.19 | Lish | after a shutdown , sometimes my mouse is not work , no load mouse ps/2 , because i don't want to make reboot for fix , what is the name daemon in /etc/init.d/* for mouse to restart it! |
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| 09:50.37 | mRCUTEO | whats the different between booting single-user-mode in gub? |
| 09:50.40 | mRCUTEO | *grub |
| 09:51.08 | arj | the difference between what? |
| 09:51.17 | agaran | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:52.48 | mRCUTEO | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro single and kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro ? whats the different? |
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| 09:54.11 | whizz | Is it possible to just update a few packages to testing? |
| 09:55.30 | whizz | or unstable |
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| 09:55.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | !pinning |
| 09:55.59 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 09:56.00 | themill | whizz: better to backport them. /msg dpkg backport |
| 09:56.44 | whizz | themill: thanks |
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| 09:58.49 | pharrell | OpenTokix -> it's debian, not redhat. |
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| 10:03.09 | kormanos | hi all |
| 10:03.10 | kormanos | I have a problem with my network.. A couple of days ago it worked but now it doesn't.. I haven't do nothing of strange.. in the network manager it is all ok, all ip, submask and gateway configured but if I do a ifconfig nothing is setted.. what's wrang with it? |
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| 10:08.46 | Xor1ng | kormanos: show your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:09.37 | enouf | kormanos: do ls /sys/class/net show your ifaces you expect ifconfig -a to output? |
| 10:09.44 | enouf | s/do/does/ |
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| 10:10.06 | Entmoot | hi guys |
| 10:10.16 | Entmoot | need some help to restart init.d ? |
| 10:10.21 | Entmoot | how is that done |
| 10:10.36 | kormanos | uhm |
| 10:10.45 | kormanos | now I try |
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| 10:10.48 | kormanos | I'm rebooting |
| 10:10.54 | enouf | kormanos: fwiw, at times, i just recycle the power on my router and modem, all is well again - but that's only after confirming with route/arp that something is not right |
| 10:11.03 | enouf | what? |
| 10:11.17 | Entmoot | init.d has taken port 21 and I need that for pureftp and causes pureftp not to start |
| 10:11.45 | enouf | init.d/ is a dir |
| 10:11.46 | loxley_ | Entmoot: i think that is so not correct.. |
| 10:11.54 | kormanos | got iy |
| 10:11.56 | kormanos | *it |
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| 10:13.33 | cantoma | guys, is it possible to use dropbox without having to install nautilus? |
| 10:14.07 | kormanos | I have checked.. It shows that interfaces.. |
| 10:14.18 | kormanos | rebooted the router but it still doesn't work |
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| 10:16.55 | Heebie | Hello. I am trying to find the errata (changes, patch-lists) for debian kernel versions (specifically 2.6.18.dfsg.1-23) so I can evaluate what patches have been aplied since the current version on a machine. I've tried googling it, but I've come up with bupkus. Does anyone know where I might find same? |
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| 10:20.14 | Entmoot | loxley_: welll -> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2611/inetd |
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| 10:21.19 | themill | Entmoot: inetd != init.d |
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| 10:21.57 | Ham\__ | Given a minimal set of tools in a debian environment, how would I go about extracting the files from a .deb, without installing them? |
| 10:22.12 | Guerin | Ham\__: dpkg -x |
| 10:22.18 | Entmoot | themill: yes.. I have remove the proftpd file in /init.d/ but I have to restart it somehow to be able to use the file to startup pureftp |
| 10:22.26 | Guerin | or use ar and tar, in that order |
| 10:23.17 | Entmoot | thats my problem.. it wont start cause initd has port 21 as service already |
| 10:23.17 | Ham\__ | Thanks, Guerin. |
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| 10:23.56 | Heebie | Entmoot: Disable proftpd in the xinet configuration, and run pureftpd directly on the ports intstead of through inetd. |
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| 10:24.14 | Heebie | xinetd configuration even. |
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| 10:24.39 | hoohaah | hello. what's the quickest way to return name of username currently performing said query? |
| 10:24.47 | Heebie | (I didn't see the initial question, so I might be talking out of my backside! forgive me if that's the case!) |
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| 10:25.11 | Heebie | hoohaah: From what kind of query? |
| 10:25.16 | Entmoot | Heebie: thnx.. where is xinid conf placed? |
| 10:25.24 | hoohaah | Heebie: for a script, to return username |
| 10:25.28 | Entmoot | xinitd* |
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| 10:25.40 | hoohaah | is whoami done directly, or is it a wrapper for another tool? |
| 10:25.55 | Heebie | hoohah It should be available as an ENV varitable "USER" |
| 10:26.06 | Heebie | variable, even. |
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| 10:26.36 | hoohaah | Heebie: would a sudo chown $USER:$USER blah return user as root, or user? |
| 10:26.50 | hoohaah | return *$USER as .. |
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| 10:27.05 | Heebie | Entmoot:/etc/inetd.conf ? |
| 10:27.13 | hoohaah | urgh, i should just do a test echo |
| 10:28.21 | hoohaah | indeed it does. Is there a way to issue a sudo while bypassing rules in sudoers, or explicitly defining them during the sudo? |
| 10:28.27 | Heebie | hoohaah: sudo can act funny. You need to make sure the settings you WANT the user to have are set right in sudoers |
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| 10:29.06 | nkuttler | hoohaah: um, hopefully not |
| 10:29.07 | Heebie | hoohaah: I would hope there isn't a way to set them outside of sudoers..that would be a horrible security risk. |
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| 10:29.43 | hoohaah | oops. now that I think about it, that would be a terrible thing, wouldn't it |
| 10:29.56 | Heebie | Yeah, it sure would. =O |
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| 10:30.11 | ^arky^ | hi |
| 10:30.40 | hoohaah | I'm just afraid the script would fail if the system doesn't have a sudoers policy available |
| 10:30.41 | ^arky^ | can anyone tell how to have multiple arch in sources.list |
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| 10:31.03 | ^arky^ | I want to have lpia and i386 repos togather |
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| 10:31.21 | nkuttler | hoohaah: check the return value |
| 10:31.23 | enouf | hoohaah: notice these diffs; a) echo $USER b) sudo echo $USER c) sudo sh -c 'echo $USER' |
| 10:31.33 | Heebie | Hello. I am trying to find the errata (changes, patch-lists) for debian kernel versions (specifically 2.6.18.dfsg.1-23) so I can evaluate what patches have been aplied since the current version on a machine. I've tried googling it, but I've come up with bupkus. Does anyone know where I might find same? |
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| 10:32.09 | enouf | hoohaah: if you really want to delve into all this; learn about ruid/euid and such |
| 10:32.10 | hoohaah | a) b) similar |
| 10:32.17 | enouf | same here |
| 10:32.56 | enouf | install manpages-dev ; learn strace output ;-) |
| 10:33.57 | enouf | Heebie: i think there's a linux-patch-version pkg that might have some info |
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| 10:34.13 | hoohaah | enouf: ah, effective uid would change in the su environment |
| 10:34.17 | enouf | Heebie: naturally, the patches would be applied to source |
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| 10:34.41 | snakeoil | I am getting this error while running dpkg-buildpackage : dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/oracle/10.1/client/lib/libclntsh.so.10.1 (used by debian/libdbd-oracle-perl/usr/lib/perl5/auto/DBD/Oracle/Oracle.so). |
| 10:34.41 | snakeoil | dh_shlibdeps: dpkg-shlibdeps returned exit code 2 |
| 10:34.50 | Heebie | enouf: I just need to see what the patching is. Whether a system gets patched depends on whether we need the patching done. =O Thanks! |
| 10:35.10 | Entmoot | dammit :( |
| 10:35.14 | Entmoot | no luck |
| 10:35.16 | snakeoil | but the lib is installed: vam-utit:/root/source/libdbd-oracle-perl/libdbd-oracle-perl-1.21 # dpkg -L oracle-instantclient | grep /usr/lib/oracle/10.1/client/lib/libclntsh.so.10.1 |
| 10:35.16 | snakeoil | /usr/lib/oracle/10.1/client/lib/libclntsh.so.10.1 |
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| 10:37.10 | Heebie | enouf: Thanks for the mini "sudo ENV" tutorial... useful! |
| 10:37.24 | RichiH | something which i wondered for years... what is the actual difference between /bin and /usr/bin |
| 10:37.32 | RichiH | what determines which should go where? |
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| 10:38.16 | themill | RichiH: it goes back to the old "/usr might be on nfs" problem. i.e. just enough should be in /lib and /bin to be able to mount /usr in such a case. (See recent d-devel "discussion") |
| 10:38.55 | RichiH | ah |
| 10:38.55 | RichiH | makes sense |
| 10:38.57 | RichiH | thanks |
| 10:38.58 | mquin | LSB probably defines it better, but at the very least /bin should contain enough to get /usr mounted, or repair the system if it can't be done |
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| 10:39.52 | RichiH | now that you said that, i seem to remeber that it should be possible to mount binaries for different architectures, as well |
| 10:40.26 | themill | RichiH: when that's not needed, the distinction is moot. So, e.g. cygwin bind-mounts /usr/bin on /bin and just sticks everything in the one place |
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| 10:43.00 | nkuttler | how do i determine the partition type of a hd? |
| 10:44.39 | RichiH | as #debian-ftp on oftc is +k, what is the correct place to report mirror troubles? |
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| 10:45.49 | DustyDingo | nkuttler: fdist -l |
| 10:45.52 | DustyDingo | fdisk |
| 10:46.30 | nkuttler | DustyDingo: as in acorn/amiga/pc/mac |
| 10:46.43 | nkuttler | not the id |
| 10:47.47 | DustyDingo | hm, sorry, don't know what you mean |
| 10:48.04 | themill | nkuttler: fdisk -l shows that too |
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| 10:52.02 | nkuttler | themill: i' referring to filesystem->partition types in kernel config, not partition ids |
| 10:52.02 | DDevine | I have found information regarding KMS for Intel in the debian wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting) but who knows the configuration to allow KMS for ATi? |
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| 10:53.05 | themill | nkuttler: you mean filesystem type not the partition type? |
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| 10:53.48 | nkuttler | themill: no. i know filesystem and partition id, but not the partition type |
| 10:53.54 | alpha_one_x86 | Hello, where have source of .deb who work with dpkg-buildpackage for do the package, it's for had an example |
| 10:54.35 | themill | nkuttler: what do you mean by "partition type" that's not shown in fdisk -l then? |
| 10:54.56 | azeem | alpha_one_x86: please rephrase your question |
| 10:54.57 | azeem | or try |
| 10:54.58 | azeem | !fr |
| 10:54.58 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 10:55.18 | alpha_one_x86 | ok -> debian-fr |
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| 10:55.39 | enouf | nkuttler: cfdisk has tables |
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| 10:56.30 | themill | nkuttler: the output of fdisk -l tells me that the partition is e.g. type 83, linux. or type 82, swap, or type b vfat |
| 10:56.31 | nkuttler | nm, it's an EFI GUID Partition |
| 10:56.33 | enouf | move cursor to [type] hit enter :-p |
| 10:58.57 | mien | hi. iv installed a ssl cert that doesnt work becaus i had the wrong /etc/hostname /etc/mailname and so on... i wonder if there is a posibility to reinstall that cert only - when i try to apt-get remove ssl-cert it will remove postfix and i realy dont want to lose my configuration now when it finaly works.... |
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| 11:14.10 | Netham45 | Is it possible to force a program to not use libraries in /lib, and instead search in a different path, without recompiling? |
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| 11:16.04 | subsume | Can someone help me interpret this? http://dpaste.com/48962/ Anything to worry about? |
| 11:16.15 | subsume | the last two lines are new. the script has been sending me the twitter stuff for weeks. |
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| 11:18.20 | RichiH | Netham45: you can set $LD_PRELOAD |
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| 11:19.02 | Netham45 | RichiH, k, so I'd do: export $LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/libs ? |
| 11:19.17 | RichiH | export LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/libs |
| 11:19.31 | RichiH | or LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/libs; program; #on one line |
| 11:19.46 | Netham45 | Okay |
| 11:19.48 | Netham45 | Thanks! |
| 11:19.52 | RichiH | np |
| 11:20.00 | nsadmin | subsume: chkrootkit thinks some of your files are suspicious, presumably of facilitating someone you don't want gaining root on your boox |
| 11:20.23 | subsume | nsadmin: i gather that much. i just wonder about the two new lines about hidden processes |
| 11:20.34 | nsadmin | no idea |
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| 11:21.23 | enouf | subsume: maybe ask #security |
| 11:21.23 | nsadmin | it might think a rootkit in the form of a linux kernel module is installed |
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| 11:22.37 | nsadmin | it might think that there is a readdir and a ps in a pair of processes that are somehow hidden from being listed in ps |
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| 11:23.41 | subsume | ... |
| 11:23.45 | subsume | yep, that's what it says. |
| 11:24.19 | nsadmin | when you said "interpret" I'm not sure what you meant other than that |
| 11:24.30 | subsume | that's repetition, not interpretation |
| 11:24.46 | subsume | if you had something to contribute, you would have. thank you for your attention. |
| 11:25.21 | Netham45 | RichiH, it gives me a message that it can't preload, and that it's ignoring the environment variable. |
| 11:25.23 | Netham45 | Know why? |
| 11:26.03 | RichiH | Netham45: some apps do this as a security measure |
| 11:26.13 | RichiH | especially when they are setuid or similar |
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| 11:26.30 | Netham45 | RichiH, it's xchat, so I don't think so. |
| 11:26.30 | nsadmin | perhaps you could have said you understood that. you probably don't get that we get that kind of thing a lot ("problem with your packages, suggest you install foo" "what should I do? any suggestions?" "install foo" "ohh, thank you! that worked!") |
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| 11:26.57 | RichiH | Netham45: ask #xchat, i guess |
| 11:27.01 | RichiH | dunno, sorry |
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| 11:27.03 | Netham45 | k |
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| 11:28.11 | nsadmin | given your attitude, perhaps you will have to pay a consultant |
| 11:28.42 | subsume | nsadmin: I understand insofar as I understand English. =). Repeating it in new English is not Value-Added. |
| 11:29.16 | nsadmin | subsume: do you get that you're in the minority? |
| 11:29.43 | subsume | nsadmin: please, school me at great pedantic length on the features of this minority -> majority spectrum. |
| 11:30.09 | subsume | I am dying to know, even more than figuring out if my server has been comprimised. =) |
| 11:30.16 | nsadmin | what I'd rather do is have you be more specific and informative about what you want |
| 11:30.52 | nsadmin | the chkrootkit says it thinks so... |
| 11:30.53 | subsume | well, I'm wondering if there is some innocuous process it might be picking up. or how to tell (if I can't do it with ps) what that process may be... or... I don't really know. I've never been in this situation. |
| 11:30.58 | nsadmin | what else to you need? |
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| 11:31.32 | nsadmin | one thing to wonder is how it knows about the hidden processes |
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| 11:32.03 | subsume | mmhmm. I certainly wonder that. |
| 11:33.39 | nsadmin | you know that this form of ps (which is one of two forms) operates by looking in /proc |
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| 11:34.10 | subsume | I was not aware. |
| 11:34.50 | nsadmin | the other form (very old, hard to maintain) is called kmem ps and looked moreorless directly at the kernel structures in ram |
| 11:35.27 | nsadmin | did you install this python twitter thing? |
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| 11:36.07 | subsume | Yes, that's all mine |
| 11:36.17 | nsadmin | you basically have two choices... you can do forensic investigation of your system which could take a long time... |
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| 11:36.45 | nsadmin | when you say "all mine" do you mean you installed it? or also that you authored it? |
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| 11:36.56 | subsume | Installed |
| 11:37.16 | subsume | + and trust |
| 11:37.31 | mesa_booger | twitter ? on a server ? scandalous ! |
| 11:37.43 | nsadmin | so you're skeptical about whether it's the cause of the problem |
| 11:38.22 | subsume | nsadmin: yes... unless someone patched my Py twitter to me malicious |
| 11:38.26 | mesa_booger | anyone who installs, uses or has any truck with twitter fully deserves their fate |
| 11:38.35 | nsadmin | then you should investigate how the chkrootkit operates and why it thinks those files are suspicious |
| 11:38.38 | subsume | mesa_booger: yes, twitter sucks and all that. =) |
| 11:38.49 | nsadmin | how recently did you install that thing? |
| 11:38.54 | efaistos | how would you use tcpdump to get some value from some javascript ... |
| 11:40.35 | subsume | nsadmin: the chrootkit? |
| 11:40.59 | nsadmin | that would be the source of the report... |
| 11:41.37 | subsume | I wasn't sure if you were asking about pytwitter |
| 11:41.39 | subsume | =) |
| 11:41.42 | subsume | anywho, I installed it two weeks ago |
| 11:42.07 | nsadmin | if you think the message is bullshit but you're not totally sure and you're worried about it, you could do that... alternatively, you could wipe the entire machine and reinstall totally fresh |
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| 11:45.39 | subsume | heh |
| 11:45.42 | subsume | that sounds like a blast. |
| 11:45.54 | nsadmin | if the chkrootkit has found something worth being worried about, you could be long ago screwed... or it could be a false alarm |
| 11:45.55 | subsume | I don't think its total bullshit, I just find it odd that all of a sudden its giving me the lines about the hidden process |
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| 11:46.28 | nsadmin | what had you changed at the point when the messages started? |
| 11:47.45 | subsume | the messages have always been coming, but I ignored them generally. only today did I think something might be afoot. |
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| 11:48.16 | subsume | the last two lines...however...hmm... I don't think anything changed honestly. I'm travelling and haven't been messing with that server. |
| 11:48.46 | nsadmin | I'd look for dirs named ... |
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| 11:50.20 | kjalil | how do I tell dpkg to NOT run the prerm script for a package and just uninstall it? |
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| 11:51.03 | nsadmin | kjalil: edit the installed copy of the script |
| 11:51.08 | petemc | kjalil: you can edit the script and put exit 0 near the top |
| 11:51.36 | WormFood | anyone have a clue why evolution would not show up an email message that I'm 100% positive is on the email server? I'm using imap. |
| 11:51.43 | liable | hmm, the changelog for bluetooth isnt very helpfull. I dont know if its broken, or i just dont understand how the hell its supposed to work now.. |
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| 11:52.16 | kjalil | nsadmin: so i'll have to unpack the package, then edit the script? |
| 11:52.35 | nsadmin | no, the script is already in a dir |
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| 11:52.44 | WormFood | AAARRRGGGHHH this fuckin' shit is worthless....what good is a god damn email client if it won't show me my god damn email when it comes in? I wonder how many more messages I've lost because of this fuckin' garbage |
| 11:52.52 | nsadmin | something like /var/cache/dpkg/info/something |
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| 11:53.17 | kjalil | nsadmin: thanks, will try it |
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| 11:54.21 | mesa_booger | WormFood: having a bad hair day ? |
| 11:55.00 | WormFood | I'm fuckin' pissed off because I've been waiting hours for an email that was already received, but this piece of shit program isn't showing it |
| 11:55.07 | mesa_booger | maybe the imap is set to delete the mail after viewing. imap sucks anyways |
| 11:55.21 | WormFood | no, imap does not delete anything, it is on the server |
| 11:55.27 | WormFood | I can login to the server and see the email |
| 11:55.36 | nkuttler | mutt works fine for me |
| 11:56.05 | mesa_booger | ahem. what i meant was "maybe you have set up your client wrong" :) |
| 11:56.10 | abrotman | that might be the only time i've seen someone say that imap sucks ... |
| 11:56.16 | WormFood | but I'm using qmail, which has different directories for the email....email comes in and goes to "new", after it is read, it goes to "cur"....so I look in "new", and it is not there, because evolution already read it, and it was moved to cur, so I missed it...... |
| 11:56.31 | WormFood | yeah, I don't get that either abrotman, imap is sooo much better than pop |
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| 11:56.33 | abrotman | qmail isn't an imap server |
| 11:56.40 | mesa_booger | because, as we all know, you can have emails be deleted from the server after reading, in imap |
| 11:56.47 | WormFood | I never said qmain is an imap server |
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| 11:57.03 | abrotman | WormFood: have you tried restarting the imapd ? |
| 11:57.06 | mesa_booger | anyways. later dudes |
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| 11:57.22 | WormFood | but the imap server does things compatible with qmail |
| 11:57.39 | WormFood | abrotman, I can't imagine how that would help...it hasn't helped in the past |
| 11:57.48 | abrotman | okay, then keep waiting |
| 11:57.51 | WormFood | I guess I'll have to quit using evolution, because it is clearly defective |
| 11:58.07 | nkuttler | !win wormfood |
| 11:58.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, wormfood! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island! |
| 11:58.12 | abrotman | or you were mucking with the server and broke something |
| 11:58.19 | WormFood | I'm not waiting, I'm logging into the email server to read my email directly |
| 11:58.40 | WormFood | I don't need to muck with the server, it works perfectly...I've been running this same, or similar setup for close to 10 years |
| 11:58.42 | abrotman | what could possibly go wrong.. |
| 11:58.54 | WormFood | I haven't touched the email server/imap server in any way in well over a year |
| 11:59.03 | abrotman | so try any other imap client .. they should see the email right? |
| 11:59.08 | WormFood | the most I do now is tail the log files, and look in the email directories |
| 11:59.13 | WormFood | yeah, in theory |
| 11:59.20 | WormFood | I've had problems with evolution before |
| 11:59.45 | WormFood | in the past, I moved a TON of email to another directory, and then evolution would see most of the remaining emails, but still, sometimes it just misses them |
| 11:59.57 | WormFood | I don't know why, it seems to be completely random |
| 12:00.03 | WormFood | and it really, really, really pisses me off |
| 12:00.11 | WormFood | I feel like I'm on windows |
| 12:00.29 | WormFood | this is the kind of reliability I expect from microsoft products |
| 12:01.06 | abrotman | so stop using it? |
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| 12:01.17 | WormFood | i have no choice, if I want to read my email, I must stop using it |
| 12:01.17 | nkuttler | really, i've never used any gui mail client that worked reliably |
| 12:01.30 | WormFood | I fuckin' hate email to start with |
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| 12:01.36 | WormFood | what a shit designed protocol |
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| 12:01.39 | abrotman | so basically .. you're just here to whine? |
| 12:01.47 | WormFood | 7-bits, so anything binary has to be encoded |
| 12:01.55 | WormFood | and a spammers paradise |
| 12:02.14 | abrotman | your life sucks |
| 12:02.14 | WormFood | I shouldn't say email is a shit protocol....it is SMTP that is a shit protocol |
| 12:02.37 | jelly | thankfully we don't use it to read mail. |
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| 12:03.22 | abrotman | jelly: i'm sorry, you didn't use any curse words. We cannot take you seriously |
| 12:03.27 | WormFood | I'm tired of getting email that says shit like "your message can't be delivered...", because some cock suckin' piece of shit spammer used my email as a return address for their fuckin' garbage. |
| 12:03.50 | abrotman | WormFood: really, knock it off |
| 12:04.02 | nkuttler | WormFood: and train your spamfilter, learn procmail, whatever |
| 12:04.05 | WormFood | I've done everything I can do...domain keys in dns, and shit like that, but I can't force the remote mail servers to honor that |
| 12:04.21 | WormFood | I want to know what the deal is with evolution |
| 12:04.29 | WormFood | I really don't want to change email programs |
| 12:04.39 | nkuttler | WormFood: go to their support channel |
| 12:04.42 | WormFood | but I see no other choice, unless someone knows something I don't about evolution |
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| 12:05.02 | asg | WormFood: add a unique hash to your outbound mail via the mta and drop any bounce that doesn't contain that header |
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| 12:05.10 | WormFood | what support channel? |
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| 12:05.14 | jelly | "<WormFood> but I'm using qmail, which has different directories for the email....email comes in and goes to "new", after it is read, it goes to "cur"....so I look in "new", and it is not there, because evolution already read it, and it was moved to cur, so I missed it...... " |
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| 12:05.32 | WormFood | good idea asg |
| 12:05.50 | jelly | this sounds like you didn't configure your mail client for the proper Maildir path |
| 12:06.09 | abrotman | WormFood: they have a channel on irc.gnome.org |
| 12:06.09 | WormFood | jelly, it has been working fine for the last year |
| 12:06.32 | jelly | WormFood: cur, new, tmp directory structure is part of Maildir format. One shouldn't access the directories directly. |
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| 12:06.54 | WormFood | but today, I sign up to some web site, and I'm waiting for the confirmation email, and it looks like it never comes in, because I missed it in the log files....according to evolution, that email does not exist. |
| 12:07.14 | WormFood | jelly, I just "ls -ltr|tail -n##" and "cat emailmessage" |
| 12:07.25 | abrotman | WormFood: have you tried another imap client yet? |
| 12:07.33 | WormFood | jelly, I'm not mucking around in there....moving shit, and editing files there....just ls and cat |
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| 12:07.44 | WormFood | abrotman, not in years |
| 12:07.52 | WormFood | I guess I'll give thunderbird another shot |
| 12:07.54 | jelly | WormFood: for starters, please calm down. Which IMAP server do you have installed? |
| 12:07.54 | abrotman | so you're blaming evolution, but you're not even sure it's broken |
| 12:08.15 | WormFood | what else could it be? |
| 12:08.25 | abrotman | try another IMAP client |
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| 12:08.36 | WormFood | if I drop the number of emails in the directory, evolution will work again....I've had this problem in the past. |
| 12:08.47 | abrotman | okay, just keep whining |
| 12:09.02 | WormFood | I'm almost positive if I move around some emails to new directories, my email will magically show up in evolution |
| 12:09.14 | WormFood | I've never had any problems with my email or imap server. |
| 12:09.42 | abrotman | okay, just keep whining |
| 12:09.47 | WormFood | abrotman, I'm not trying to whine....just bitch :P |
| 12:09.53 | jelly | shrugs and adapts /ignore |
| 12:09.54 | abrotman | do it somewhere else |
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| 12:10.30 | agaran | jelly: adaptative ignore? |
| 12:10.41 | WormFood | seriously, I was hoping someone would know some magic setting in evolution or something that would solve my problem. |
| 12:10.41 | WormFood | maybe I have the config set to "evil" or something. |
| 12:10.42 | WormFood | "oh! heres your problem, you have the switch set to 'evil'" type of thing....you know? |
| 12:10.58 | abrotman | WormFood: we told you .. go ask the evolution people .. but you're still here doing nothing about it .. which is typical for you |
| 12:12.19 | jelly | agaran: yeah. with a human link in the feedback loop. |
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| 12:16.36 | hellues | heyü |
| 12:16.53 | hellues | Window manager warning: Attempt to perform window operation 20 on window none when operation 20 on none already in effect |
| 12:16.53 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:23.14 | RichiH | !archive key |
| 12:23.22 | RichiH | !key |
| 12:23.22 | dpkg | key is, like, Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 12:23.59 | sll | hello everybody! I'm interested to obtain a bluetoooth hedset, recomendations and suggestions are welcome thanks! |
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| 12:30.09 | ariel_ | morning, I have an issue which I don't know how to correct this. I did a apt-get install mdadm to get ready for the setup of raid 1. I did not run the program other then install it. I had to reboot the system and it's now not even coming up in single mode. Brings me to BusyBox. |
| 12:30.49 | agaran | jelly: :D |
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| 12:33.47 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/37420/ wtf? |
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| 12:35.52 | abrotman | RichiH: for starters, oyu're mixing stable and etch |
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| 12:37.12 | abrotman | and using dotdeb |
| 12:37.33 | abrotman | RichiH: and you want 'debian-archive-keyring' |
| 12:37.45 | abrotman | hides from RichiH |
| 12:37.47 | stew | RichiH: we switched the archive key to the lenny key |
| 12:37.58 | stew | RichiH: but you really shouldn't be using "stable" in sources.list |
| 12:38.13 | RichiH | it's not my system |
| 12:38.17 | RichiH | and i did not sleep much |
| 12:38.26 | RichiH | hides from the shame of not reading properly |
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| 12:39.14 | PsiKlops | Hi, i would like to get my Fritz Wlan USB-Stick working in Lenny, and since i have a 2.6.26 there is no support anymore for the AVM-Driver. I was wondering if it is possible to Install a 2.6.24 Kernel to my machine and the modules,headers.... without any hassle, cause the 2.6.24 still supports the Driver and i don't really want to install a hole new OS ala Etch or so? |
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| 12:39.56 | RichiH | http://www.rackable.com/products/microslice.aspx?nid=servers_5 <- heh |
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| 12:40.14 | OpenTokix | PsiKlops: For fritz-stuff to work in debian, you need to apt-get install basement 8-door-system 19-years |
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| 12:40.22 | OpenTokix | laughs at his own joke! |
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| 12:40.39 | asg | physicalizes RichiH |
| 12:40.42 | PsiKlops | OpenTokix Haha ;-) |
| 12:40.57 | PsiKlops | :) |
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| 12:41.47 | PsiKlops | OpenTokix so what ya think? |
| 12:42.05 | fudgecake | is it possible to rdc from windows to debian server? |
| 12:42.08 | OpenTokix | PsiKlops: I don't know - but its pretty simple to roll your own kernel |
| 12:42.14 | abrotman | PsiKlops: the driver won't compile against .26? it's not in mainstream? do you have the USB ID ? |
| 12:42.16 | OpenTokix | PsiKlops: Maybe compile a module? |
| 12:42.21 | abrotman | fudgecake: RDP you mean ? |
| 12:42.44 | fudgecake | yh |
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| 12:43.13 | abrotman | fudgecake: the xrdp package contains a server |
| 12:43.54 | PsiKlops | abrotman yes ID 057c:62ff |
| 12:44.21 | petemc | xrdp is just a wrapper for vnc, and a pain to get going |
| 12:44.54 | abrotman | it says it's an RDP server .. |
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| 12:45.25 | abrotman | PsiKlops: so you can't compile the kernel on your own? |
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| 12:47.27 | Lord | fudgecake > x11vnc ? |
| 12:47.33 | PsiKlops | like a totally new 2.6.26 Kernel to suit my Fritz ? na, i was working on a Kernel and it took me 2 weeks to get something started, but a whole lot of Modules were missing 'sigh' and no i haven't tried it " The Debian Way " either :) |
| 12:48.17 | jelly | abrotman: apt and aptitude should suggest upgrading debian-archive-keyring in that "untrusted repo key" error message anyway |
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| 12:49.37 | abrotman | jelly: file a bug! |
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| 12:50.04 | jelly | touché |
| 12:50.09 | fudgecake | lord: i got it installed but it dont connect through rdp |
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| 12:50.12 | abrotman | or file a patch :) |
| 12:50.17 | jelly | wow, me Compose key works |
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| 12:51.15 | jelly | I bet RichiH is more proficient at filing bugs than me! |
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| 12:52.41 | hellues | Window manager warning: Attempt to perform window operation 20 on window none when operation 20 on none already in effect |
| 12:52.47 | hellues | ans solution for that |
| 12:52.54 | hellues | compiz doesnt work |
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| 12:53.25 | jelly | hellues: that warning is probably not relevant for compiz' not working |
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| 12:53.38 | RichiH | jelly: yah, i already filed that in my mental todo |
| 12:53.40 | RichiH | though i may forget |
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| 12:54.31 | jelly | my mental notes always crumble to dust at 12am |
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| 12:54.55 | PsiKlops | abrotman like a totally new 2.6.26 Kernel to suit my Fritz ? na, i was working on a Kernel and it took me 2 weeks to get something started, but a whole lot of Modules were missing 'sigh' and no i haven't tried it " The Debian Way " either :) |
| 12:55.01 | abrotman | so you said |
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| 12:55.25 | abrotman | PsiKlops: what's the URL for the module? |
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| 12:56.16 | mrfree | is there a way to purge "all" packages and restore my debian installation as a brand new minimal installation? |
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| 12:58.19 | abrotman | mrfree: you can purge packages if you want to |
| 12:58.21 | PsiKlops | module as in AVM-Driver? |
| 12:58.24 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:58.30 | hellues | jelly, |
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| 12:59.11 | hellues | i work compiz compiz doesnt work than i return metacity and i took that error |
| 12:59.12 | hellues | s |
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| 12:59.21 | mrfree | abrotman, I haven't installed this debian by myself I'd like to switch it into minimal |
| 12:59.36 | abrotman | mrfree: so uninstall things you don't use |
| 12:59.36 | arvind_khadri | hi, in xfce i can see the mobile connected, as in the icon comes but in gnome it doesnt show |
| 13:00.12 | mrfree | abrotman, for example if I remove apache2 from apitude it doesn't automatically purge all its deps |
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| 13:00.22 | GvJordan | fudgecake sucks dick |
| 13:00.28 | fudgecake | fuck you jordan |
| 13:00.28 | abrotman | mrfree: it depends how it was installed and which version of debian you have |
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| 13:00.36 | abrotman | hey .. knock it off |
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| 13:00.48 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, any idea? ? |
| 13:00.57 | mrfree | abrotman, lenny and I think all was installed using apt-get |
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| 13:01.00 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: nope |
| 13:01.13 | arvind_khadri | hark, hey you around :) |
| 13:01.21 | mrfree | abrotman, it's an openvz template for lenny |
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| 13:01.53 | arvind_khadri | stew, you there? |
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| 13:02.27 | abrotman | mrfree: you can use deborphan to clean up ... just be careful with it |
| 13:02.42 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: the icon might need to be configured |
| 13:02.44 | mrfree | abrotman, I'll try thz |
| 13:02.55 | samantha-c | is there a way to throttle bandwidth consumed by a process if the program doesn't have its own throttle mechanism? something with a pretty simple config is needed here. |
| 13:03.36 | PsiKlops | abrotman : http://download.avm.de/cardware/fritzwlanusb.stick/linux/suse.10.2/fwlanusb-1.00.00.tar.gz ( http://wiki.debianforum.de/AVMTreiberInstallation ) <-- it a german installation method |
| 13:03.38 | bolt | is backports.org gone? |
| 13:03.52 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, aah no, it just has to pop up as soon as the mobile is connected... this behaviour happens in ubuntu too, i cant only see it in debian-gnome... i check gconf-editor too, but nothing seemed relevant there to me |
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| 13:05.23 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, also my external drives arent being displayed on debian-gnome's desktop |
| 13:05.37 | arvind_khadri | external drives as in the hard drives |
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| 13:06.47 | fluxdude | why is iscsi server on centos tgt and on debian it's ietd? |
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| 13:07.01 | ariel_ | anyone know how to recover a system after you apt-get mdadm ? I did not run it yet but just installing the program it changes your system. |
| 13:07.05 | fluxdude | why the 2 different things? isn't ietd newer? |
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| 13:08.29 | asg | samantha-c: check lartc.org |
| 13:08.33 | stew | arvind_khadri: yes? |
| 13:09.13 | arvind_khadri | stew, hi, in xfce i can see the mobile connected, as in the icon comes but in gnome it doesnt show up, also my hard drive icons arent being shown |
| 13:09.47 | abrotman | bolt; no |
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| 13:11.17 | stuNNed | is there any way to as much as possible on the fly change the hostname of the computer? |
| 13:11.24 | abrotman | PsiKlops: so if you just run the 'install' script, it fails ? |
| 13:11.32 | asg | stuNNed: /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 13:12.20 | Chicago | How do I enable SHIFT+PAGEUP to page in my shell? |
| 13:12.33 | stuNNed | asg: thanks |
| 13:12.45 | bolt | abrotman: hm.. i can't even ping it. no http access either. weird |
| 13:12.56 | asg | stuNNed: things like apache and other daemons may have to be restarted to get the new hostname though. |
| 13:13.21 | stuNNed | easy enough, thanks :) |
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| 13:14.16 | avu | Chicago, it's not a feature of the shell but of the terminal emulator. and frankly I don't know any one that doesn't do that out of the box besides screen, which do you use? |
| 13:14.59 | Chicago | avu, I'm using Konsole. something must be funky though; because none of my Debian boxes seem to respond to SHIFT+PAGEUP. |
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| 13:15.16 | Chicago | avu, I am not in a screen. |
| 13:15.53 | Chicago | avu, using the same settings, I can login to other hosts which are non-debian and SHIFT+PAGEUP works naturally. |
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| 13:17.59 | avu | Chicago, no idea what you could have broken, sorry. you can use xev or showkey depending on the environment to see if the right keycodes are even sent |
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| 13:21.33 | Chicago | avu, thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 13:21.36 | abrotman | bolt: the site loads fine here |
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| 13:24.34 | abrotman | PsiKlops: if you run the install script .. what happens? |
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| 13:30.33 | drama831 | i may just be freaking out over nothing but i think i totally screwed up all of my permissions. EVERY folder under / has a padlock on it. i cant remember if its always been like this |
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| 13:31.18 | abrotman | drama831: you mean in nautilus? |
| 13:31.58 | drama831 | abrotman: i go to places then computer and select filesystem. and thats where all the folders are with the padlocks |
| 13:32.05 | abrotman | drama831: you mean in nautilus? |
| 13:32.17 | drama831 | i believe that is nautilus yes |
| 13:32.33 | abrotman | are you using nautilus as root? |
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| 13:32.41 | drama831 | nope |
| 13:33.04 | abrotman | that's probably normal .. the user typically can't write outside of $HOME and /tmp/ |
| 13:33.57 | drama831 | only my home right? /home/user/ because even /home has a padlock |
| 13:34.05 | abrotman | it should |
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| 13:35.19 | stuNNed | ok unstable gone wacko lol |
| 13:35.22 | stuNNed | brb |
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| 13:35.57 | drama831 | well thats a relief. i thought i screwed up bigtime. it all stared because i logged in and it said something about my home not being secure. so i make myself able to read/write. group able to access. and others able to acess. then once i clicked apply to all containing files/folders it went back to saying everyone have read/write |
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| 13:38.21 | fudgecake | i got x11vnc and ive logged in and i get this http://i43.tinypic.com/2wowprm.jpg what am i suppose to do :S |
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| 13:41.00 | PsiKlops | abrotman yes it fails... because the of the Kernel and the fitting headers |
| 13:41.12 | abrotman | PsiKlops: can you put the actual error in a pastebin ? |
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| 13:42.18 | PsiKlops | abrotman uno momento please |
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| 13:44.59 | slushpuppeh | Hi, how would I update the gpg signing keys for apt? |
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| 13:46.04 | Serg_penguin | hi! where can i find pre-requirements for an application to be included into Debian ? |
| 13:46.21 | frankS2 | anyon here use lftp and can tell me what i have to type to download foo* ? |
| 13:46.33 | frankS2 | like.. everything that starts on foo and ends on * |
| 13:46.36 | avtobiff | Serg_penguin, Serg_penguin to be included? |
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| 13:46.59 | Serg_penguin | i look at http://debian.org but feel lost in various docs |
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| 13:47.54 | Serg_penguin | avtobiff: i just want to see rules what i must obey to have my programs included into Debian distribution |
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| 13:49.31 | avtobiff | Serg_penguin, social contract and debian free software guidelines. |
| 13:49.39 | avtobiff | Serg_penguin, are you going to package it yourself? |
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| 13:50.32 | Serg_penguin | avtobiff: it's not yet even in project stage, i just want my possible future creations to see the world, not die in dusty homepage |
| 13:51.01 | avtobiff | Serg_penguin, check out the debian new maintainers guide on how to package stuff |
| 13:51.26 | avtobiff | Serg_penguin, basically: license it gpl (imho), have a sane buildprocess |
| 13:51.37 | avtobiff | then you can add a debian-dir (packaging lives there) easily |
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| 13:51.55 | Selveste1 | Serg_penguin: What aboute having your own repo then ? |
| 13:52.18 | avtobiff | Selveste1, why not include it in debian? |
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| 13:54.30 | Selveste1 | avtobiff: :S don't realy know :S :P |
| 13:54.42 | avtobiff | :A :B :C :D |
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| 13:55.06 | Serg_penguin | oh, thanks, i'd try to find my answer at debian.org over again ;) |
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| 13:56.16 | valdyn | Serg_penguin: its included if theres a debian developer packaging it or if he is sponsoring a package |
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| 14:08.16 | newhope | Hey all,I got a problem when install gimp in my debian sid system |
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| 14:09.04 | newhope | It says ' gimp: Depends: libwebkit-1.0-1 (>= 1.0.1) which is a virtual package" |
| 14:09.34 | newhope | How can I do |
| 14:10.23 | azeem | newhope: which version of Debian? |
| 14:10.38 | azeem | oh sid |
| 14:10.47 | azeem | newhope: well, unstable breaks from time to time |
| 14:10.50 | azeem | wait till it is fixed |
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| 14:12.33 | newhope | azeem:That's depressed,thanks all the same :) |
| 14:12.54 | azeem | newhope: use testing if you don't like it |
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| 14:13.29 | focalor | yeah testing is good for desktop use, and breaks much less then sid |
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| 14:15.25 | hark | newhope: i think you can add the testing repository and satisfy this depends |
| 14:16.17 | newhope | hark: oh thanks. |
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| 14:27.33 | martin123456 | I have an old Compaq desktop computer with built in speaker. It worked flawlessly until I made an upgrade to Lenny and changed my DE to Gnome(it was XFCE before). I mean I have no sound. However the setting should be fine(in alsamixer all channels are turned on). I made a screen-shot: http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2144/screenshotilr.png At the background you can see "aplay -vv Pink_Noise.wav" playing fine. Any suggestions why I |
| 14:28.22 | azeem | martin123456: don't cross-post, please |
| 14:28.46 | blouf_ | martin123456: what r u trying to play that didn't work ? |
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| 14:30.03 | martin123456 | I used this file: http://www.dogstar.dantimax.dk/testwavs/pink.zip However, "speaker-test" doesn't work as well. |
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| 14:31.25 | jor | DO I need to import the debian-multimedia's gpg key or would that be paranoid? Because dpkg is telling me nothing has changed when i install the key package |
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| 14:33.52 | hark | martin123456: pastebin amixer output or run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
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| 14:37.30 | martin123456 | hark: "/etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0" did the job!! Thanks!! |
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| 14:38.05 | hark | jor: how is dpkg telling you nothing has changed? |
| 14:38.16 | Heebie | Hello. I am trying to find the errata (changes, patch-lists) for debian kernel versions (specifically 2.6.18.dfsg.1-23) so I can evaluate what patches have been aplied since the current version on a machine. I've tried googling it, but I've come up with bupkus. Does anyone know where I might find same? |
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| 14:40.14 | mrfree | hi all |
| 14:40.32 | mrfree | how can I set system wide locale?? dpkg-reconfigure locales seems to doesn't work |
| 14:40.50 | oz123 | hi everyone, I desperately need help with a weired configure script which can't find tcl on my debian |
| 14:40.56 | oz123 | can someone help ? |
| 14:41.14 | abrotman | mrfree: that's how |
| 14:41.25 | abrotman | oz123: put the error in a pastebin |
| 14:41.33 | mrfree | abrotman, locale still reports POSIX |
| 14:41.43 | mrfree | abrotman, after a reboot too |
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| 14:42.06 | myeggo | someone know where can i ask a doubt with my router? |
| 14:42.08 | mrfree | abrotman, where I can find the LC vars settings? |
| 14:42.12 | mrfree | in which file? |
| 14:42.33 | Charlie2025 | Hi, how can I access SSH with no space on server HDD ? |
| 14:42.40 | stew | mrfree: in what version of debian/ |
| 14:42.50 | Zharf | Charlie2025, try as root |
| 14:42.52 | mrfree | stew, 5.0 lenny |
| 14:43.15 | mrfree | 5.0.1 |
| 14:43.16 | stew | mrfree: /etc/default/locale is the file thet "dpkg-reconfigure locales" edits |
| 14:43.21 | Charlie2025 | Root doesn't work as well, write "Acces denied" .. but sure right identifications , sure does for other users |
| 14:43.45 | mrfree | stew, ok it contains the correct LANG setting |
| 14:43.57 | stew | mrfree: did you logout and log back in? |
| 14:44.00 | mrfree | probaly the service doesn't start |
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| 14:44.18 | stew | mrfree: the locale settings are set by pam, so they aren't effected until you login and log back out |
| 14:45.03 | oz123 | abrotman, paste.debian.net/37438 |
| 14:45.36 | abrotman | oz123: did you install tcl8.4-dev ? |
| 14:45.56 | mrfree | stew, I've rebooted |
| 14:46.14 | stew | mrfree: what does "echo $LANG" say? |
| 14:46.26 | oz123 | abrotman, yes - the configure script refuses to see the files |
| 14:46.40 | oz123 | do you want to see the configure script ? |
| 14:46.42 | mrfree | stew, empty |
| 14:47.47 | stew | mrfree: you are logged in how? using a graphical login manager? or into a text console? |
| 14:48.17 | mrfree | stew, in a openvz container... vzctl enter 1111 |
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| 14:48.52 | stew | mrfree: oh, if you aren't logging in using pam in some way, then its not suprising for this to not be set |
| 14:49.17 | stew | mrfree: since its normally set by pam (try "grep locale /etc/pam.d/*") |
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| 14:49.44 | stew | mrfree: find some other apropriate place to source /etc/default/locale |
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| 14:50.19 | Nikty | Hi! |
| 14:50.20 | mrfree | stew, is there a general purpose script in the init.d? |
| 14:50.33 | stew | mrfree: for what? |
| 14:50.43 | mrfree | stew, to source that file :) |
| 14:51.28 | oz123 | abrotman, any idea why i can't instruct the configure to find tcl on debian ? |
| 14:51.30 | Nikty | "I got caught pleasuring myself to a painstakingly etched engraving of the wife of Bath." |
| 14:51.41 | stew | Nikty: wrong channel |
| 14:51.43 | Nikty | what did they mean by "wife of Bath"? |
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| 14:52.05 | Nikty | stew: but i google everywhere :-( |
| 14:52.07 | stew | mrfree: i'm not sure I understand what you are trying to do. note that changing an environment variable in an init script wouldn't affect other init scripts or subsequent logins |
| 14:52.22 | \amethyst | Nikty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wife_of_Bath's_Tale |
| 14:52.23 | stew | Nikty: this is not at all debian related, so it doens't belong here |
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| 14:52.41 | Nikty | \amethyst: are you sure? |
| 14:52.48 | Nikty | stew: just a sec please :) |
| 14:53.06 | stew | Nikty: if you don't have a debian related question, please take it elsewhere |
| 14:53.34 | mrfree | stew, what about /etc/environment ? |
| 14:53.34 | asdfqwer | anyone know why i can't add a previously deleted user name? |
| 14:54.06 | asdfqwer | the name doesn't even show up in user groups or /etc/passwd |
| 14:54.13 | stew | asdfqwer: do you get an error? |
| 14:54.16 | stew | mrfree: sure |
| 14:54.16 | module000 | asdfqwer: error? |
| 14:54.23 | asdfqwer | ya, name already exists |
| 14:54.31 | asdfqwer | gnome reports |
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| 14:54.42 | module000 | asdfqwer: use adduser, not some GUI nonsense. |
| 14:54.57 | asdfqwer | module000, do you know a command i can use to list all my user accounts? |
| 14:55.04 | module000 | asdfqwer: cat /etc/passwd |
| 14:55.04 | stew | asdfqwer: getent passwd |
| 14:55.21 | asdfqwer | i did, the user name i want doesn't show up in passwd |
| 14:55.23 | spacepup | cat /etc/passwd- |
| 14:55.35 | asdfqwer | hold on, lemme restart gnome; this could be my issue |
| 14:55.44 | module000 | is your GUI perhaps looking to see if a /home/<name> exists? |
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| 14:55.50 | stew | asdfqwer: perhaps its choking on the home directory already existing |
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| 14:56.03 | asdfqwer | stew, i removed that to |
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| 14:56.12 | asdfqwer | brb |
| 14:56.22 | abrotman | oz123: look at the configure script to see what it's actually looking for |
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| 14:56.34 | rodmar | hi |
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| 14:56.45 | oz123 | I did, but I have no clue how do control it or change it ... |
| 14:57.18 | rodmar | I'm trying to compile compat-wireless to a external kernel. The external kernel is a debian linux-source-2.6.29 |
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| 14:57.33 | rodmar | when I try to compile it says thar Module.symvers is missing |
| 14:57.37 | rodmar | anyone? |
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| 14:58.42 | \amethyst | oz123: could you pastebin the config.log, or at least the part related to TCL ? |
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| 14:58.54 | module000 | rodmar: need to put that in your path or current dir. you can just use the one that comes with the kernel source |
| 14:59.00 | module000 | rodmar: (most of the time) |
| 14:59.20 | \amethyst | oz123: it might be that --with-tcl is expecting you to point it to something other than /usr/include/tcl8.4 |
| 14:59.28 | oz123 | \amethyst, i am pasting the whole configure |
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| 14:59.53 | oz123 | http://paste.debian.net/37441/ |
| 15:00.46 | abrotman | it can't find tcl.h ? |
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| 15:01.06 | \amethyst | oz123: ugh... you might have to regenerate configure (run autoconf) |
| 15:01.26 | \amethyst | oz123: it's looking for ${with_tcl}/include/tcl.h |
| 15:01.38 | \amethyst | oz123: but that's not right |
| 15:02.07 | oz123 | ok, so I just run auto conf in the build directory ? |
| 15:02.20 | oz123 | or shall I just edit that line ? |
| 15:02.31 | \amethyst | oz123: autoconf one word... try it |
| 15:03.11 | oz123 | autoconf is not found ... |
| 15:03.20 | \amethyst | oz123: it's in the package autoconf |
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| 15:06.36 | oz123 | \amethyst, now he is telling me: configure: error: Unable to determine syntax to use for Fortran binary files |
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| 15:07.53 | \amethyst | oz123: check the config.log to see what it was trying to do... perhaps you're missing the fortran compiler it's looking for |
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| 15:08.30 | Lish | i need help pls:( dpkg: error processing cpad-kernel-source (--configure): |
| 15:09.35 | azeem | Lish: pastebin the whole output |
| 15:09.37 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 15:09.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 15:10.01 | Lish | Setting up cpad-kernel-source (0.10-5) ... |
| 15:10.01 | Lish | Building cpad module for Linux 2.6.26-2-686 (this may take a few minutes)...dpkg: error processing cpad-kernel-source (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 |
| 15:10.05 | Lish | Errors were encountered while processing: cpad-kernel-source |
| 15:10.08 | Lish | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 15:12.26 | Lish | http://pastebin.com/m4ae772b2 |
| 15:12.28 | Lish | there |
| 15:13.10 | azeem | Lish: looks like build that kernel module failed |
| 15:13.21 | azeem | see whether there is some logfile somewhere, or try to build it manually |
| 15:13.45 | Lish | azeem: sudo m-a build, cpad-kernel-source ? |
| 15:13.55 | Lish | quide me pls:) |
| 15:14.06 | \amethyst | asdfqwer: try using the command-line adduser |
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| 15:14.14 | jor | Hey |
| 15:14.19 | \amethyst | asdfqwer: it will at least give you a more useful error message |
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| 15:14.28 | asdfqwer | k |
| 15:14.32 | \amethyst | asdfqwer: perhaps a left over user group in /etc/groups or /etc/gshadow |
| 15:14.35 | jor | I'm trying to get a graphics card working but its chipset isn't mentioned in the Debian wiki... |
| 15:14.54 | azeem | Lish: it looks like that cpad-kernel-source error is unrelated to the operation you are trying to do (installing nvidia) |
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| 15:15.01 | azeem | Lish: so try to remove the package cpad-kernel-source |
| 15:15.05 | asdfqwer | \amethyst, is there not a command to list all active users on a system? |
| 15:15.06 | azeem | and retry installing nvidia |
| 15:15.09 | azeem | then, care about cpad-kernel-source |
| 15:15.11 | Lish | ok |
| 15:15.28 | asdfqwer | i figured moduser would have at least offer this as an option |
| 15:15.37 | \amethyst | asdfqwer: that's what getent passwd does... the problem isn't really that the user exists if it's not there |
| 15:15.44 | \amethyst | asdfqwer: but by default debian creates for each user a group with the same name |
| 15:15.56 | asdfqwer | ohhhhh |
| 15:15.58 | \amethyst | asdfqwer: if that group already exists (getent group to check) that could cause problems |
| 15:16.05 | asdfqwer | that might be the rut of my troubles |
| 15:16.06 | Lish | azeem: ok its work they download with no error |
| 15:16.10 | \amethyst | asdfqwer: /etc/group and /etc/gshadow |
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| 15:16.24 | Lish | azeem: so need to download this package again? |
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| 15:16.32 | azeem | Lish: if you still need/want it |
| 15:16.46 | Lish | azeem: what actualy do? |
| 15:16.51 | azeem | hrm? |
| 15:17.06 | asdfqwer | \amethyst, sure enough, there is webmaster lurking in gshadow, ty |
| 15:17.08 | Lish | azeem: cpad-kernel-source |
| 15:17.16 | azeem | Lish: see apt-cache show cpad-kernel-source |
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| 15:18.01 | oz123 | \amethyst, i have all the compilers installed - i am sure it's something wrong with the original config file which is just looking in the wrong dir |
| 15:18.27 | \amethyst | oz123: could you pastebin config.log ? |
| 15:18.43 | Lish | azeem: hmm ok , but its the installation must be with m-a right? |
| 15:18.51 | jor | Does xserver-xorg-video-intel support the 915GM chipset like the ones from intellinuxgraphics,org ? |
| 15:19.03 | Lish | azeem: because the apt doesen work |
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| 15:20.37 | oz123 | \amethyst, i put it in paste.debian.net/37444/ |
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| 15:22.34 | \amethyst | oz123: gfortran treats .f files as fixed-form by default, but this wants to treat them as free-form |
| 15:22.50 | \amethyst | oz123: you'll need to convince it to call gfortran-4.3 with the -ffree-form option |
| 15:23.18 | oz123 | \amethyst, how do I do it ? |
| 15:23.47 | \amethyst | oz123: oh, never mind, it figured that out |
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| 15:24.25 | \amethyst | oz123: hm, it says "Unable to determine syntax to use for Fortran binary files" but doesn't actually show a failing test |
| 15:24.42 | webmaster | [or asdfqwer] thanks \amethyst for resolving this ;) |
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| 15:26.41 | oz123 | \amethyst, so what is the next step ? |
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| 15:27.15 | \amethyst | oz123: Unfortunately I don't really know enough fortran to know what to do about that |
| 15:27.21 | abrotman | enough? |
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| 15:28.23 | lsd | anybody know how i can build the linux-headers-{ver}-common package? when i build the kernel from source, i only get the image and the version specific header packages |
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| 15:28.55 | lsd | (i'm applying some patches which affect the common headers) |
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| 15:29.04 | oz123 | \amethyst, do you mind looking at the original software |
| 15:29.27 | martin123456 | I am using Debian Lenny kernel 2.6.26-2-486 with Gnome and I have very limited information under xorg.conf file. Dpkg--reconfigure xserver-xorg gives very little options as well. Is xorg.conf replaced with another file or what is going on? |
| 15:29.29 | abrotman | lsd: using make-kpkg ? |
| 15:29.45 | abrotman | martin123456: tha'ts how it's supposed to be |
| 15:29.49 | lsd | sadly, not this time |
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| 15:30.01 | \amethyst | oz123: I really don't think I'll be able to help... I haven't used fortran in a long time, and then it wasn't very much |
| 15:30.09 | lsd | i'm going straight for the debian/rules.* way |
| 15:30.12 | \amethyst | oz123: it seesm to have problems with the status='replace' |
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| 15:30.47 | martin123456 | abrotman: what do you mean? Xorg.conf is going to be replaced with something else? |
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| 15:30.59 | savid | I'm having an issue with the debian apache setup. I have the default vhost (00-default) in sites-enabled, along with another vhost file for a specific website. For some reason, the default vhost is not the default vhost -- the 2nd vhost is actiing as the default. How do I fix this? |
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| 15:31.00 | oz123 | \amethyst, i just got note from one of the developers. I was write something is wrong with the config file |
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| 15:31.58 | abrotman | martin123456: no, that's not what i said .. it's supposed to be mostly empty |
| 15:32.27 | lsd | savid, try removing any NameVirtualHost directives from all site config files, and put it in /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
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| 15:33.08 | martin123456 | abrotman: ok. So I should insert the values to xorg.conf manualy? |
| 15:33.18 | abrotman | you can, if you know what you're doing |
| 15:33.21 | savid | lsd, I don't have any NameVirtualHost declarations |
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| 15:33.46 | savid | Oh wait, yeah there is one in ports.conf |
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| 15:34.14 | harryv | ok, I tried man(1) and google, kthx. but - how would I only upgrade security-fixes? I don't want to pull in new versions of major software etc |
| 15:34.15 | martin123456 | abrotman: or the other option is to use built in "Screen Resolution" in Gnome menu? |
| 15:34.34 | lsd | savid, this is probably apache-specific and nothing much to do with debian :) what do your <VirtualHost...> directives say in each site file? |
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| 15:34.56 | savid | lsd, oh wait actually yeah there is a NameVirtualHost in ports.conf |
| 15:35.28 | lsd | savid, that's fine, as long as there are no overlapping directives throughout your set of config files |
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| 15:35.42 | savid | lsd, They're both <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 15:36.01 | savid | or do you want the whole thing? |
| 15:36.02 | abrotman | martin123456: if tha'ts what you're trying to change .. |
| 15:36.07 | lsd | not the whole thing, thanks |
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| 15:36.39 | savid | Here's 00-default: http://dpaste.com/49040/ |
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| 15:37.01 | lsd | you don't have a ServerName directive |
| 15:37.15 | shriven | Hello. I'm having a bit of trouble building a .deb. I'm trying to build it from the latest release of monit, but when I execute debuild the resulting package does not include the actual executable. the package contents look like this: http://pastebin.com/d3006bc13 |
| 15:37.18 | lsd | wait, check the other one :) |
| 15:37.52 | shriven | sorry if this is a noob mistake, first time trying to build a package like this. I looked through some how-tos and docs but I don't know why its skipping this file. : ( |
| 15:37.55 | lsd | savid, ony my servers i have ServerName directives in the default site files. maybe that'll help |
| 15:38.28 | shriven | in the package that is created it should also include /usr/bin/monit, but instead it just creates the directories |
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| 15:38.36 | savid | lsd: here's the other one: http://dpaste.com/49054/ |
| 15:38.38 | pickcoder | if you're doing namevirtualhosts then each vhost should have a servername that does not overlap |
| 15:38.58 | lsd | 2 votes for that solution so far |
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| 15:39.19 | lsd | anybody got any ideas about building linux-headers-{ver}-common? |
| 15:39.22 | savid | dammit, I accidentally cleared my chat window... what was that? |
| 15:39.33 | lsd | savid, put a ServerName directive in your default file |
| 15:39.41 | savid | ah ok |
| 15:39.52 | pickcoder | savid: did you specify namevirtualhost *:80 |
| 15:40.00 | lsd | yeah that's in his ports.conf |
| 15:40.15 | mns_ | Anyone know what package is needed in order for the volume control and Function keys to work on a ThinkPad T500 ? |
| 15:40.23 | martin123456 | abrotman: ok, but where are those values inserted? I mean if I use "Screen Resolution" in Gnome menu, then where is my settings stored? |
| 15:40.32 | pickcoder | it should probably be in httpd.conf or in the primary vhost config file |
| 15:40.39 | pickcoder | not critical though |
| 15:40.57 | lsd | mine's also in ports.conf so it doesn't go missing when the site files are re-arranged, etc |
| 15:41.03 | pickcoder | if you are doing namevhosts then you must provide a servername in each vhost that does not overlap other vhosts servernames or serveralias |
| 15:41.03 | martin123456 | no offense, but it looks like Windows |
| 15:41.12 | lsd | luckily i'm not the sysadmin so i don't have to give a crap |
| 15:41.57 | savid | lsd I have ServerName defined in apache2.conf. should it not be there? |
| 15:42.04 | lsd | no |
| 15:42.07 | lsd | not the same |
| 15:42.17 | savid | oh ok |
| 15:42.19 | \amethyst | martin123456: it's stored in the gconf database probably, which is perhaps comparable to the windows registry |
| 15:42.20 | lsd | you need one in each NameVirtualHost (the clue is in the 'Name') |
| 15:42.21 | savid | ic |
| 15:42.31 | hark | lsd: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2008/04/msg00190.html |
| 15:42.41 | \amethyst | martin123456: look in the xml files under ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/screen/ and its subdirectories |
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| 15:43.06 | lsd | hark, ahhh, i see |
| 15:43.17 | lsd | hark, i guess i was using the wrong keywords in my searches! |
| 15:43.24 | savid | lsd, that didn't seem to work |
| 15:43.35 | martin123456 | \amethyst: ok. And where can I change my graphics card driver? In "device manager"? :D |
| 15:43.36 | pickcoder | savid: read the virtualhosts docs on apache.org |
| 15:43.39 | pickcoder | it's quite clear |
| 15:44.09 | lsd | savid, i guess if you can't work it out you'll have to talk to some apache people. that's about all i know on the matter but it seems to work for me... |
| 15:44.19 | \amethyst | martin123456: I'm not clear on all the newish X autoconfiguration stuff |
| 15:44.29 | pickcoder | savid: #httpd there are some bot faqs and such |
| 15:44.36 | \amethyst | martin123456: AFAIK you have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf but I'm not certain of that |
| 15:45.39 | pim_ | there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of information about debian servers, isn't debian suitable for it? |
| 15:45.42 | hark | martin123456: Section "Device" in your xorg.conf |
| 15:46.00 | pickcoder | pim_: I have 5 running here |
| 15:46.01 | stew | pim_: quite suitable. what information do you need to know? |
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| 15:46.14 | pickcoder | two of them have Xorg the rest don't |
| 15:46.15 | avtobiff | pim_, what? yes, it is suitable. |
| 15:46.35 | martin123456 | \amethyst: but this new kind of configuration is related with Gnome only? I mean there is good old xorg.conf with Fluxbox or XFCE? |
| 15:46.56 | \amethyst | martin123456: xorg now does autodetection of screens and resolutions |
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| 15:46.59 | pim_ | basic information: how long can I keep using the same system with secuirity updates without upgrading and such information |
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| 15:47.17 | lsd | depends, how long are you planning to keep it plugged into a network? |
| 15:47.18 | \amethyst | martin123456: you can write them out by hand in xorg.conf the old way, but it's not the default |
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| 15:47.52 | Lish | guys my "nv" is working , but my nvidia is not! now am with no xserver with screen and irssis , and i want to install 3d accelarator! of nvidia 7300gt |
| 15:47.56 | pim_ | what do you mean exactly lsd? I plan on setting up a server, and running it for 5 years |
| 15:48.04 | lsd | pim_, you will eventually hit the lifetime end of that line (after some years) |
| 15:48.21 | \amethyst | martin123456: but the autoconfig happens in xorg itself, not gnome; the gnome resolution thing is just to change the current resolution using xrandr |
| 15:48.29 | lsd | pim_, and no more updates will be received, and you will begin to have interoperability issues with other software/hardware. but we're talking about a lot of years |
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| 15:49.02 | pim_ | well once there are no more secuirity updates it is time to move to a different system |
| 15:49.08 | martin123456 | \amethyst: ok, I see. The problem is that I use Samsung SyncMaster 750s CRT monitor and Gnome "Screen Resolution" utility gives max 75Hz under 1024x768 but this monitor supports 85Hz under 1024x768. |
| 15:49.29 | lsd | hark, thanks! that's sorted it |
| 15:49.35 | pim_ | e.g. Ubuntu guarantees 5 years support, but as far as I know such things are unpredictable in debian? |
| 15:49.37 | lsd | $beer |
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| 15:49.58 | lsd | pim_, debian seems to have quite a long tail on these things |
| 15:50.15 | \amethyst | martin123456: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if it has any messages about why it rejected that resolution at 85Hz |
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| 15:50.31 | abrotman | pim_: old stable is ideally supported for 1 year after the newest stable is released |
| 15:50.59 | Lish | can any one help ? not xserver right now, "nvidia" not working only "nv" and i want to install the 3d accelarator! |
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| 15:51.18 | pickcoder | pim_: what kind of application are you wanting? |
| 15:51.23 | abrotman | pim_: however .. from what i've heard, the success ratio of doing a dist-upgrade on debian is way higher than ubuntu .. for instance i have a machine here that has gone through four(?) versions of debian, with only minor issues |
| 15:51.23 | lsd | and there's quite a gap between those releases... |
| 15:51.50 | lsd | had repeatable dist-upgrade issues from etch, to do with locales blowing up |
| 15:52.02 | lsd | but that's the first time i've ever had a noteworthy problem |
| 15:52.11 | lsd | and i probably did something stupid with the locales in the past... |
| 15:52.23 | stew | lsd: are you following the procedure in the release notes when you are upgrading? |
| 15:52.26 | lsd | although it did happen on 6 out of 7 servers :( |
| 15:52.31 | lsd | stew, yeah pretty much |
| 15:52.38 | adb | martin123456: add > VertRefresh 50.0 - 85.0 < to Section "Monitor" in xorg.conff |
| 15:52.45 | stew | so you are never actually running "dist-upgrade", right? |
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| 15:53.09 | lsd | stew, our sysadmin does it, i'll ask him |
| 15:53.19 | lsd | stew, what should i tell him if he is doing that? |
| 15:53.25 | lsd | (besides "clue up!") |
| 15:53.36 | stew | lsd: that he should follow the procedure in chapter 4 of the release notes |
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| 15:53.58 | lsd | and he's in the pub getting drunk right now. i'll text him |
| 15:54.10 | stew | lsd: but what exactly is the nature of the problem with locales? |
| 15:54.19 | pickcoder | I used dist-upgrade and didn't have too many problems |
| 15:54.22 | pickcoder | pffft |
| 15:55.01 | lsd | stew, this is a few months back, but the first of the upgrades went completely bust, with all the pre-/post- scripts complaining about falling back to default locale, or something |
| 15:55.20 | lsd | i got a call to log in and have a look. i had to rebuild the localedefs by hand using bits of files from other servers |
| 15:55.33 | lsd | i'm sorry i can't be more informative about it though, it's way in the past now |
| 15:55.47 | stew | pickcoder: sure, but whether or not one followed the recommended procedure affects how much I care about what problems they might have encountered :) |
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| 15:56.06 | themill | lsd: warnings about missing locales like that are irritating but should not be an issue |
| 15:56.06 | stew | lsd: you had to do more than "dpkg-reconfigure locales"? |
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| 15:56.16 | pickcoder | stew: the only problem I've ever had was the broken kernel meta package I picked up moving to Etch |
| 15:56.19 | lsd | themill, not just missing. this caused every pre-/post- script to fail |
| 15:56.25 | lsd | leaving everything in a very broken state |
| 15:56.36 | themill | :( |
| 15:56.36 | lsd | stew, that's the first thing i tried |
| 15:56.38 | wekt | http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt refers to an apt-file program which is not on my system and I have not been able to find in the repository. |
| 15:56.47 | lsd | stew, which failed in exactly the same spectacular manner as all the others :) |
| 15:56.49 | themill | wekt: it's in the apt-file package |
| 15:57.10 | lsd | anyway, the same thing happened over and over on other servers |
| 15:57.30 | lsd | but we found some work-around which involved crtl-Z'ing the upgrade, fiddling some files, then continuing it |
| 15:57.45 | lsd | sounds like he's making up tall stories here! |
| 15:58.04 | wekt | themill: wow! you were right. I don't know how I missed that, but I did. Thanks. |
| 15:58.15 | pim_ | so will I be able to upgrade the whole debian system by doing: apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 15:58.15 | themill | \o/ |
| 15:58.24 | stew | i haven't had a single seemless upgrade to lenny yet. they've all been a mess, but nothing I'd blame on debian, mostly code we've written that broke |
| 15:58.33 | stew | i've done 4 painful upgrades in the last week |
| 15:58.54 | lsd | whew, i thought we were the only ones having trouble upgrading |
| 15:58.54 | stew | everytime i said, "well this one should be no problem compared to the last". And I've been wrong every time |
| 15:59.11 | lsd | i've mentioned this to other people and they've been like "wtf you talking about?" |
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| 15:59.46 | themill | The next box(es) I have to fiddle with is going to be both etch->lenny and moving from i386 to a ppc machine. That one is going to suck badly |
| 15:59.49 | stew | i've had no problems upgrading the debian software. I've had problems with proprietary software being broken on critical servers after a seemless upgrade from the debian perspective |
| 16:00.08 | lsd | ah, ok, not the same league then |
| 16:00.19 | lsd | the software itself has been ok |
| 16:00.36 | pickcoder | stew: that's why I don't run proprietary software on unsupported platforms... |
| 16:00.37 | wekt | I updated Lenny after install and then xserver-xorg-core broke. But now I've updated to unstable and it works again, so that will do. |
| 16:00.39 | stew | and stupidity on my part, like "oh, i should have realized we still had stuff running in php4 BEFORE the upgrade started" |
| 16:00.44 | lsd | haha |
| 16:00.51 | pickcoder | even if other people think it's l33t |
| 16:00.54 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 16:01.33 | rdz | i am trying to restore an image of a debian system on a macbook and i struggling with installing the bootloader correctly. is there a way to let grub-install install the bootloader on the MBR instead of the GPT/EFI? |
| 16:01.35 | pim_ | Is sudo-apt get dist-upgrade the command to use to upgrade the whole system to a newer version? |
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| 16:01.40 | stew | pickcoder: I have no choice here due to all of the closed audio formats I'm dealing with. and much of the other proprietary software that broke was written by my wife and I |
| 16:01.42 | lsd | my proprietary software has been fine but i guess i'm here to maintain it :p |
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| 16:02.01 | pickcoder | bad stew, no cookie |
| 16:02.02 | sylarr | I want to zero out a swap partition |
| 16:02.05 | stew | pim_: no. what version are you going from->to |
| 16:02.07 | sylarr | before a dd |
| 16:02.15 | lsd | uh oh here comes someone to chop the top of your head off |
| 16:02.42 | stew | sylarr: ok? |
| 16:02.57 | pim_ | stew I am not on debian at all, I'm just trying to see how difficult/easy the upgrade process is for each distribution before I choose one to install to a server |
| 16:03.27 | azeem | pim_: the procedure will be explained in the release notes |
| 16:03.45 | azeem | it's usually a bit more complicated that dist-upgrade for a new stable release |
| 16:03.52 | stew | pim_: the recommended proedure by debian is much more detailed in order to have a greater success of working, but basically boils down to "aptitude install aptitude ; aptitude safe-upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade" |
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| 16:04.21 | lsd | sysadmin says he did the aptitude upgrade, aptitude dist-upgrade thing |
| 16:04.33 | wekt | rdz: do you mean it wants to install the bootloader in PROM? |
| 16:04.42 | pim_ | but generally you can upgrade without breaking everything you had set up and configured? |
| 16:05.14 | stew | pim_: yes, many of us have servers which have gone through several stable releases without a reinstall |
| 16:05.15 | themill | pim_: usually. Some checking of config files can be required with new versions of software, of course. |
| 16:05.52 | lsd | is still pretty confident in the upgrade process - serious problems are very rare and are usually avoidable |
| 16:06.07 | rdz | wekt, no.. on macs, there is always a fat32 partition the first one, which is used for boot related stuff |
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| 16:06.56 | pim_ | and how about stability? I suppose debian is very very stable seeing the extensive testing packages go through |
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| 16:08.09 | lsd | i've never experienced stability issues when on the stable release |
| 16:08.34 | lsd | quite common to have servers with >2 years uptime, although that's not recommended when there are kernel updates out |
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| 16:08.59 | rdz | wekt, from 'man grub': 'Install GRUB on your EFI partition.' |
| 16:09.10 | pim_ | well I think I'll either install debian or ubuntu, but I don't know what yet |
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| 16:10.22 | lsd | pim_, you should try several distros and find one that suits your taste |
| 16:10.31 | pim_ | heh I tired Slackware the other day |
| 16:10.31 | lsd | it's largely different flavours of similar things |
| 16:10.38 | lsd | just for a day? :) |
| 16:10.46 | lsd | peter would be disappoited |
| 16:10.50 | rdz | wekt, sorry, i meant: from 'man grub-install' |
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| 16:11.20 | pim_ | lsd I only installed it, but I think it's not that suitable for me being only a 'casual' linux user |
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| 16:11.48 | sylarr | stew, ? |
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| 16:12.34 | sylarr | stew, I want to know if I just dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda2 |
| 16:12.39 | sylarr | or what |
| 16:13.03 | jetscreamer | for the part... sda for the entire drive |
| 16:13.26 | jetscreamer | i never tried dd'ing just a partition though |
| 16:13.41 | lsd | sylarr, i'm no expert, but perhaps you should take the swap partition out of your /etc/fstab, reboot, then dd it, but you should specify a block size and block count |
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| 16:14.02 | jetscreamer | mkswap? |
| 16:14.19 | lsd | don't think that zeros it |
| 16:14.25 | sylarr | lsd, the swap and whole disk is ofline |
| 16:14.44 | jetscreamer | oh yeah have it not mounted |
| 16:14.53 | sylarr | maybe I should zero it out and then mkswap |
| 16:14.58 | sylarr | so it still is usable |
| 16:15.36 | jetscreamer | wonders how a swap partition becomes unusable and needs dd'ing |
| 16:15.53 | lsd | sylarr, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdxx bs=1024 count=${} |
| 16:16.02 | lsd | check 'fdisk -l' for the count= param |
| 16:16.05 | stew | sylarr: cp /dev/zerp /dev/sdxx |
| 16:16.10 | stew | err /dev/zero |
| 16:16.11 | lsd | ooh |
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| 16:16.43 | wekt | rdz: is EFI a partition? I guess I'm confusing it with something else. |
| 16:16.57 | stew | sylarr: of course, be very careful to not zero out the wrong thing :) |
| 16:16.57 | sylarr | is there no formating or anything to swap? |
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| 16:17.06 | stew | sylarr: there is, mkswap does it |
| 16:17.06 | jetscreamer | mkswap |
| 16:17.13 | sylarr | k |
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| 16:17.38 | lsd | which is a separate issue from zeroing it, but needed if you actually intend to use the swap partition |
| 16:17.45 | lsd | which begs the question, why are you zeroing it? |
| 16:18.02 | wekt | or not. It seems that EFI is PROM. |
| 16:18.17 | sylarr | why do I need count? |
| 16:18.32 | stew | sylarr: you don't |
| 16:18.33 | wekt | sylarr: try it without. |
| 16:18.41 | jetscreamer | go this far and no further, with dd |
| 16:18.41 | lsd | grins |
| 16:18.52 | stew | sylarr: you'd only need count if you don't want to zero the entire thing |
| 16:18.53 | rdz | wekt, it's interesting, that also on debian 5.0, but installed on in a VM, man grub-install says: 'Install GRUB on your drive' |
| 16:18.59 | wekt | sylarr: you can also give swap partitions a label. Then you can mount in fstab by label. |
| 16:19.00 | sylarr | lsd, because I am gona archive an image of the whole disk |
| 16:19.08 | lsd | why not just the partition? |
| 16:19.15 | lsd | s/partition/data partitions/ |
| 16:19.23 | jetscreamer | uses UUID for swap&partitions |
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| 16:20.04 | rdz | wekt, from what i understand, EFI is a BIOS replacement from Intel, that is in use on intel-macs already. it uses a dedicated fat32 partition, the so called EFI partition to store some tools, utilities, the EFi shell and the bootloader on it |
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| 16:20.21 | rdz | wekt, no warranty, that everything is correct, what i said, but this is what i understand |
| 16:20.37 | jetscreamer | gah that would probably blow.. (efi) |
| 16:20.40 | sylarr | lsd, because it will not take any space anyway if it is zeroed out, and it will be easier to slap on a new disk including mbr and everything |
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| 16:20.58 | jetscreamer | to have, not to make |
| 16:21.03 | lsd | sure, if you have more drives of exactly the same geometry |
| 16:21.03 | Lish | how can i install something with gcc4.1? sudo gcc4.1=CC ./blahblah.run ?? like this? |
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| 16:21.15 | lsd | and you intend to plug it in to the same slot |
| 16:21.23 | lsd | makes sense i guess |
| 16:21.35 | lsd | brb |
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| 16:21.41 | hark | Lish: /msg dpkg gcc |
| 16:21.43 | sylarr | lsd, same geometry? |
| 16:21.48 | allu2 | hi can some one help me to get logitech webcam work? |
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| 16:21.59 | lsd | sylarr, the so-called 'cylinders', 'heads', and 'sectors' |
| 16:22.14 | jetscreamer | 'ok go get me one of those hd's in that box with 10000 hd's in it and lest do this |
| 16:22.17 | jetscreamer | ' |
| 16:22.18 | lsd | might have unpredictable results otherwise |
| 16:22.20 | cahoot | allu2: know its usbid? |
| 16:22.33 | sylarr | lsd, I didn't know that matters in the past it just worked for me |
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| 16:22.42 | stew | lsd: they odn't have to be the same geometry |
| 16:22.51 | stew | sylarr: it doesn't matter |
| 16:22.58 | sylarr | k |
| 16:23.06 | allu2 | cahoot: this you mean? ID 046d:08af |
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| 16:23.12 | cahoot | right |
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| 16:23.41 | sylarr | say... I tried once to add a disk to the raid array and I tried to copy the mbr with dd which didn't work, and with sfdisk it worked |
| 16:23.57 | sylarr | Anyone know why dd didn't work and sfdisk worked? |
| 16:24.26 | stew | sylarr: well, the goemetry doesn't have to be the same, but the destination disk better be at least as large as the source disk |
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| 16:24.34 | martin123456 | I downloaded a .svg Thunderbird icon file and placed it in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/ and gave it permissions 755. However, when I create a launcher at Desktop and choose that 48x48 .svg image, it does not appear as an icon. Why? |
| 16:24.35 | cahoot | allu2: google turned up: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/046d:08af Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Easy/Cool |
| 16:24.44 | sylarr | stew, sure |
| 16:25.13 | allu2 | cahoot: thank you ;) |
| 16:25.18 | pim_ | well thanks for the information |
| 16:25.19 | pim_ | bye |
| 16:25.23 | sylarr | iirc the error was because the system wasn't aware of the changes to the mbr |
| 16:25.31 | sylarr | and didn't load them |
| 16:25.34 | sylarr | or somehting like that |
| 16:26.28 | Lish | is this right sudo CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 sh -c ./blablah.run ? ?? |
| 16:26.47 | allu2 | An error occurred while loading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/046d:08af: |
| 16:26.47 | allu2 | Timeout on server |
| 16:26.47 | allu2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.53 | allu2 | cahoot: and now? |
| 16:26.55 | allu2 | :P |
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| 16:27.58 | cahoot | allu2: the url is polluted with spaces - cp the entire line |
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| 16:28.44 | allu2 | cahoot: thank |
| 16:28.47 | allu2 | *thanks |
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| 16:29.52 | Haemathemesis | hi all |
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| 16:31.16 | Haemathemesis | can i download testing iso or i can make a dist-upgrade from lenny? |
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| 16:32.02 | pickcoder | dist-upgrade unless you want to wipe the machine |
| 16:32.56 | Haemathemesis | thank you. bye |
| 16:33.01 | bolt | ... |
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| 16:33.11 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 16:35.17 | Iota | Hi guys |
| 16:35.33 | Iota | Does anyone know of something like glterminal that'll run on Linux? |
| 16:36.21 | Iota | glterminal has like a fake phosphorous display |
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| 16:37.48 | jetscreamer | why are there files on my ntfs partition that i am unable to cp as root? |
| 16:37.55 | allu2 | what is "cheese"? :S |
| 16:38.44 | jetscreamer | not 'why' but 'how can it be?' and how do i stop their dastardly plan to deny linux |
| 16:39.11 | sanguisdex | so due to the ATI driver issue in ubuntu 9.4 I am going to be reinstalling a different distro of. what do yall think should I go back to the LST or will I still be able to get security updates for 8.10. Ir should I think about just going with debian linux instead? any one have any issues with "older" ati drivers and deb 5? |
| 16:39.24 | hark | Iota: in xscreensaver iirc |
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| 16:39.39 | jetscreamer | x300 you're stuckout for 3d atm afaik |
| 16:39.50 | hark | !info cheese |
| 16:39.52 | dpkg | cheese: (A tool to take pictures and videos from your webcam), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.24.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2636 kB, Installed size: 4884 kB |
| 16:39.56 | hark | allu2: ^ |
| 16:41.29 | allu2 | thank you |
| 16:43.26 | hark | Iota: the apple2 hack |
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| 16:43.44 | Iota | Ooh, what's it called? |
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| 16:46.02 | lindenle | How do i tell kde4 where to put the panel (i.e. which head?) |
| 16:46.27 | hark | Iota: called apple2, moment |
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| 16:49.46 | Iota | Thanks |
| 16:50.01 | allu2 | my cam doesn't still work and cheese shows me basicly nothing |
| 16:50.06 | Iota | My first computer was an apple2. :> |
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| 16:53.17 | allu2 | should this be like this? |
| 16:53.29 | allu2 | Aleksi-Debian:/usr/src/modules/qc-usb/debian# gqcam |
| 16:53.29 | allu2 | /dev/video: No such file or directory |
| 16:53.29 | allu2 | Aleksi-Debian:/usr/src/modules/qc-usb/debian# |
| 16:53.58 | allu2 | ? |
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| 16:56.30 | allu2 | anyone can help me witht he webcam? |
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| 16:57.57 | toe | i am trying to install debian lenny to a disk with installed lvm... how can repartition it? |
| 16:58.23 | Iota | I can't find anywhere to download the apple 2 hack. :( |
| 16:58.26 | jetscreamer | at a guess, install and load the module, allu2 .. i don't know though |
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| 16:58.51 | sylarr | howcan i install swfdec mozilla plugin to a different directory? , do I need to get the source package and edit it? |
| 16:58.54 | hark | Iota: sorry was away, it's in the package xscreensaver-data-extra |
| 16:59.07 | allu2 | jetscreamer: well i probably know less |
| 16:59.10 | Iota | oh, thanks. I think I already actually have that installed, but I can't find a way to run it |
| 16:59.20 | jetscreamer | GLTerminal emulates a 1970's terminal monitor, complete with flaws in brightness, warped display curvature, and flicker. It even simulates baud rate lag... |
| 16:59.24 | hark | Iota: run it like, say, /usr/lib/xscreensaver/apple2 -program bash -text |
| 16:59.51 | hark | Iota: man apple2 |
| 17:00.07 | Iota | OH MY GOD |
| 17:00.11 | Iota | IT'S FILLED WITH STARS |
| 17:00.21 | Iota | yeah it works |
| 17:00.22 | Iota | thanks |
| 17:00.24 | jetscreamer | please move away from the obelisk |
| 17:00.29 | Iota | lol |
| 17:00.40 | hark | ;) there's also phosphor you can try |
| 17:00.42 | lindenle | Why is iceweasel so slow and cpu intensive? |
| 17:00.47 | Iota | Oh man, it even emulates the grainy static in the back |
| 17:00.50 | Iota | Phosphor? |
| 17:00.51 | lsd | 1:4:9 |
| 17:00.58 | jetscreamer | because it's firefox? |
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| 17:01.02 | lsd | Linux from scratch - OH MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF .TARS |
| 17:01.08 | Iota | rofl |
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| 17:01.32 | jetscreamer | ff3even |
| 17:01.35 | hark | Iota: /usr/lib/xscreensaver/phosphor -delay 1000 -program bash -scale 3 |
| 17:01.42 | allu2 | :( |
| 17:01.44 | Iota | Oh man, this is awesome |
| 17:01.46 | Iota | thanks hark |
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| 17:02.10 | hark | Iota: np, man phosphor man apple2 for all options |
| 17:02.16 | Iota | thanks |
| 17:02.18 | lindenle | jetscreamer: Is there something better? |
| 17:02.28 | lsd | wonder if my cmpxchg64 hack is gonna work on x86_64 |
| 17:02.44 | jetscreamer | there are lots of others available, i'm not qualified to say 'better' |
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| 17:02.57 | jetscreamer | konqueror maybe, try it out |
| 17:03.09 | lsd | ff3.1 under WINE |
| 17:03.10 | lsd | *duck* |
| 17:03.21 | rgr | trying to follow debian instuction to install java jdk it says to install java-package. This tells me I must have jdk-6u12, but I dont. I have jdk-6u14. How do I install this? |
| 17:03.24 | lindenle | jetscreamer: can't stand konq |
| 17:03.30 | lindenle | jetscreamer: maybe elinks ;) |
| 17:03.31 | jetscreamer | ff2 was nice for me, i detest ff3 and it's babies |
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| 17:03.40 | lsd | i'm also still on ff2 |
| 17:03.41 | jetscreamer | still it's what i use :/ |
| 17:03.48 | lsd | ^5 jetscreamer |
| 17:03.51 | lsd | fight the power |
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| 17:04.18 | jetscreamer | up the republic |
| 17:04.20 | lindenle | What is the kde4 gtk package called in debian? |
| 17:04.37 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kde|grep gtk |
| 17:04.43 | jetscreamer | i forget the exact name |
| 17:04.44 | rgr | Ye gods. And I thought installing Java under Windows was a mess. |
| 17:04.48 | maligor | what kde4 gtk package? |
| 17:04.57 | Hydroxide | lindenle: the one to theme gtk to look like kde4? gtk-qt-engine-kde4 I think but it's not in stable since kde4 isn't |
| 17:04.58 | jetscreamer | the gtk compat or so |
| 17:05.03 | jetscreamer | it's in there |
| 17:05.16 | lindenle | im in testing ;) |
| 17:05.19 | Hydroxide | jetscreamer: there's gtk-qt-engine but that's kde3 |
| 17:05.22 | Hydroxide | lindenle: ok, then what I said |
| 17:05.24 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:05.36 | lindenle | !beer Hydroxide |
| 17:05.36 | dpkg | pulls out an exquisite Spaten Optimator for Hydroxide |
| 17:05.42 | grharry | # hi All ... I am about to install lenny over an etch installation on a laptop .... the target partition has to be /dev/sda5 ... so which option should I choose "The Guided ??" |
| 17:05.48 | pickcoder | rgr: where did the 14 update come from? |
| 17:05.53 | jetscreamer | why is kde4 called kde4 when the libs are at 5 :) |
| 17:05.56 | rgr | sun |
| 17:05.58 | pickcoder | sun-java6-jdk contains the u12 |
| 17:06.14 | Hydroxide | jetscreamer: historical reasons |
| 17:06.17 | jetscreamer | grharry: probably manual, but ask other ppl |
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| 17:06.22 | Hydroxide | jetscreamer: as for most such weirdnesses :) |
| 17:06.36 | rgr | http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp |
| 17:06.38 | pickcoder | rgr: you're on your own when you start mixing vendor stuff with debian stuff |
| 17:06.41 | allu2 | how well debian supports webcams i have 2 and eather have worked at all |
| 17:06.54 | rgr | Im not mixing anything. I'm trying to get a java working. |
| 17:06.59 | rgr | I was following this page: |
| 17:07.03 | pickcoder | so install sun-java5-jdk |
| 17:07.03 | grharry | tnx ... Anybody else ?? |
| 17:07.06 | jetscreamer | i think i owned one webcam in my life |
| 17:07.07 | pickcoder | er |
| 17:07.09 | rgr | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/debianjava.htm |
| 17:07.10 | pickcoder | so install sun-java6-jdk |
| 17:07.28 | rgr | pickcoder: what do you think I am trying to do? |
| 17:07.48 | jetscreamer | rgr: you have contrib non-free eh |
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| 17:07.53 | allu2 | jetscreamer: and it worked on debian? |
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| 17:07.56 | subopt | How do i get `nail` (or `mail`) to start up in interactive mode, even if there's no mail? |
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| 17:08.21 | jetscreamer | allu2: my point was i don't use em at all |
| 17:08.57 | pickcoder | rgr: did you install java-package first |
| 17:09.03 | jetscreamer | him go byebye |
| 17:09.24 | grharry | What option should I choose for a lenny install in order to place it on /dev/sda5 ??? Guided ?? |
| 17:09.38 | pickcoder | I hate how-tos that instruct people to download files that don't exist, so they go off and find the latest versions instead |
| 17:10.00 | jetscreamer | grharry: the more i think about it the more i think you don't want guided... |
| 17:10.14 | allu2 | anyone who haves working logitech webcam here, who could share the secret to get it work... |
| 17:10.31 | pickcoder | allu2: good luck with that |
| 17:10.49 | allu2 | :P |
| 17:10.57 | jetscreamer | !tell allu2 -about webcam |
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| 17:11.17 | grharry | I understand that I acctually stoped before I hit enter to think about it for a moment ..... I dont wanna stay debian-less today !!! ;-) |
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| 17:11.47 | jetscreamer | !tell allu2 -about quickcam |
| 17:11.55 | jetscreamer | the qc eh |
| 17:12.13 | allu2 | ? |
| 17:12.23 | lindenle | By the way just a holla for debian! (Alex just spent 24 hours using Ubuntu.... BOO!) |
| 17:12.26 | jetscreamer | grharry: it will ask you before writing changes at least |
| 17:12.29 | pickcoder | is it a pro model that shows up as a UVC cam? |
| 17:12.32 | allu2 | jetscreamer: ? |
| 17:12.52 | jetscreamer | allu2 what... see what the bot told you in the other window/screen |
| 17:13.05 | spal | We are having an error while booting a Debian box. ATAPI check failed (ireason = 7f), ata2: soft resetting link, etc. and it remains stuck. the CD drive makes some noise at this stage. debian never boots. |
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| 17:13.11 | spal | how do we troubleshoot this issue? |
| 17:13.12 | grharry | jetscreamer: Thanks |
| 17:13.20 | jetscreamer | allu2: but pickcoder seems interested, you might answer him |
| 17:13.30 | grharry | I ll doit .... and whatever ... ! cheers |
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| 17:14.18 | allu2 | pickcoder: wait a bit |
| 17:14.41 | jetscreamer | spal: sounds like the hd is dying to me.... the reset is very familiar |
| 17:15.19 | jetscreamer | extremely |
| 17:15.53 | allu2 | pickcoder: Bus 001 Device 010: ID 046d:08af Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Easy/Cool |
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| 17:16.14 | pickcoder | lsmod | grep quickcam |
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| 17:16.41 | spal | jetscreamer, seems like it is a CD drive problem. we ejected the CD drive and tried to boot. after some errors, it booted fine. |
| 17:16.43 | jetscreamer | did you check out the quickcam links the bot gave you? .. btw pickcoder somehow was looking in /usr/src/modules for that |
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| 17:17.14 | pickcoder | jetscreamer: I have a Pro 5000 |
| 17:17.17 | pickcoder | it's a PITA to use |
| 17:17.33 | pickcoder | I have it running through a streamer util that does 1 second snaps |
| 17:17.42 | pickcoder | since streaming doesn't work through the UVC driver |
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| 17:17.52 | jetscreamer | s/somehow/he\ somehow/ |
| 17:18.33 | jetscreamer | allu2 was looking in /usr/src/modules for some reason i meant to say |
| 17:18.44 | allu2 | ? |
| 17:19.03 | allu2 | ah i installed some drivers |
| 17:19.04 | pickcoder | allu2: firstly, the UVC driver will only work with V4L2 applications |
| 17:19.23 | jetscreamer | [11.53.25] <allu2> Aleksi-Debian:/usr/src/modules/qc-usb/debian# |
| 17:19.29 | allu2 | pickcoder: how i get the camera work in skype/amsn |
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| 17:19.45 | Iota | Playing nethack in the apple 2 terminal is the best |
| 17:19.55 | pickcoder | so if the cam app doesn't support V4L2 then your other option is to run a capturing utility in the background and have it serve content to the application over TCP |
| 17:20.14 | pickcoder | if the cam app supports TCP streaming |
| 17:20.21 | pickcoder | if it doesn't then you're SOL |
| 17:20.30 | spal | if we insert a CD into the CD drive, shouldn't we start getting some dmesg or syslog logs? |
| 17:20.39 | allu2 | i would first of all want to see picture of what camera sees |
| 17:20.45 | allu2 | so far i haven't be abel to |
| 17:20.51 | pickcoder | allu2: make sure the application is set to use V4L2 video |
| 17:21.04 | allu2 | how :S |
| 17:21.08 | pickcoder | I don't know |
| 17:21.17 | pickcoder | settings? |
| 17:21.20 | pickcoder | configuration? |
| 17:21.39 | pickcoder | it's a graphical app so I would hope that there's a menu option or a button to click |
| 17:22.19 | jetscreamer | i think first get cam working, then configure program? |
| 17:22.22 | jetscreamer | runs away |
| 17:22.41 | allu2 | jetscreamer: i agree |
| 17:23.20 | allu2 | pickcoder: so how i get the cam working, it should have burning orange led when it works but now it's not on.. |
| 17:23.28 | pickcoder | allu2: no clue |
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| 17:23.41 | allu2 | :( |
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| 17:23.47 | jetscreamer | so did you try the links the bot gave you |
| 17:23.50 | pickcoder | I plug my cam in and it turns on |
| 17:23.55 | jetscreamer | about quickcam |
| 17:24.00 | pickcoder | I pull up an app with V4L2 support and it works |
| 17:24.12 | jetscreamer | !quickcam |
| 17:24.12 | dpkg | QuickCam is a brand of web camera manufactured by Logitech. UVC and non-UVC device lists: http://quickcamteam.net/devices . To install the driver for old-model QuickCam Express/Web: "aptitude install module-assistant qc-usb-utils && m-a a-i qc-usb && modprobe quickcam". Later models are supported by either the GSPCA or USB Video Class drivers, ask me about <gspca> or <uvcvideo> respectively. See also <webcam>. |
| 17:24.22 | pickcoder | allu2: make sure the device isn't misconfigured to ask for the wrong video format |
| 17:24.35 | allu2 | how i chek that |
| 17:24.39 | pickcoder | I.E. set for 640x480 but the cam can only stream 320 |
| 17:24.46 | pickcoder | in the app settings? |
| 17:24.49 | allu2 | all i can get about the device is what i get from "lsusb" |
| 17:25.04 | jetscreamer | load the module luke.... |
| 17:25.25 | jetscreamer | what kernel btw allu2 |
| 17:25.30 | pickcoder | allu2: I asked a while back for ls mod | grep quickcam |
| 17:25.36 | pickcoder | I assumed to you looked and saw it listed |
| 17:25.56 | jetscreamer | lsmod |
| 17:26.08 | jetscreamer | ls mod work? |
| 17:26.27 | allu2 | wait a sec |
| 17:26.28 | pickcoder | lsmod |
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| 17:28.34 | allu2 | i go to sauna i be back after :P |
| 17:28.47 | jetscreamer | ah priorities |
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| 17:30.36 | jaunny | etch propose java 1.4? not 1.5? |
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| 17:31.03 | rodmar | hi all |
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| 17:31.35 | jetscreamer | *entire channel says hi to rodmar, individually |
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| 17:31.58 | jaunny | hi rodmar |
| 17:32.02 | rodmar | I'm working on a fedora machine doing so external compiling of the compat-wireless for a debian kernel |
| 17:32.02 | shriven | hi rodmar |
| 17:32.12 | jaunny | hi shriven |
| 17:32.19 | jetscreamer | only 931 left |
| 17:32.20 | jaunny | hi jetscreamer |
| 17:32.24 | jetscreamer | hail |
| 17:32.27 | rodmar | I have a ssh acess to the debian machine |
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| 17:32.52 | jetscreamer | !enter |
| 17:32.52 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 17:32.55 | jaunny | how can i install java 1.5 ? |
| 17:32.57 | rodmar | is there any easy way of copying the new compiled modules to the debian machine? |
| 17:33.02 | sylarr | howcan i install swfdec mozilla plugin to a different directory? , do I need to get the source package and edit it? |
| 17:33.14 | asg | rodmar: scp |
| 17:33.19 | jetscreamer | sshfs maybe, not up on pros&cons |
| 17:33.20 | shriven | rodmar: or rsync |
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| 17:33.23 | jaunny | hi sylarr |
| 17:33.31 | jaunny | hi asg |
| 17:33.33 | jetscreamer | scp that's it |
| 17:33.37 | jaunny | hi dpkg |
| 17:33.41 | sylarr | jo jaunny |
| 17:33.56 | jetscreamer | !greet jaunny |
| 17:33.56 | dpkg | G'day, jaunny |
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| 17:34.19 | rodmar | the problem is that I want an automated way to copy all the modules to the right location at once. Not just looking for them and overwriting them |
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| 17:34.44 | asg | rodmar: write a script |
| 17:35.32 | jaunny | why i can say aptitude install java1.5? |
| 17:35.34 | shriven | rodmar: are the files in the correct directory structure on the remote machine already? |
| 17:35.47 | shriven | jaunny: because that is not a package |
| 17:35.58 | shriven | jaunny: instead search for java and install the real package name |
| 17:36.22 | rodmar | shriven: no. I'm compiling in the modules in my machine and them I want to install them in the debian machine |
| 17:36.23 | shriven | jaunny: you are probably looking for "sun-java5-jre" |
| 17:36.23 | jetscreamer | jaunny: try adding contrib non-free to sources, and apt-get update && apt-cache search java|grep jre or plugin or bin or whatever |
| 17:36.37 | jaunny | shriven is it java5-sdk? |
| 17:36.37 | abrotman | asdf |
| 17:36.47 | jetscreamer | sdk is for devving |
| 17:36.54 | jetscreamer | (afaik) |
| 17:36.56 | rodmar | shriven: Can I copy the compat-wireless directory to the debian machine and them perform a make install? |
| 17:37.00 | shriven | jaunny: yes, there is also a jdk |
| 17:37.00 | asdf | abrotman: yes? |
| 17:37.11 | jetscreamer | and a jre |
| 17:37.13 | abrotman | asdf: misfire .. and unfortunate nick |
| 17:37.16 | abrotman | sorry |
| 17:37.19 | shriven | jaunny: but as jetscreamer said, you may need to add the non-free sources |
| 17:37.24 | asdf | abrotman: unfortunate! :O *sob* |
| 17:37.35 | jetscreamer | jre is what a user might want |
| 17:37.54 | jaunny | hi asdf |
| 17:38.00 | jaunny | hi abrotman |
| 17:38.02 | shriven | rodmar: I don't follow 100%... Are you just trying to move the files from the fedora machine to the debian machine? |
| 17:38.10 | asdf | jaunny: hai! |
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| 17:38.13 | abrotman | jaunny: turn off whatever that is before you get yourself banned |
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| 17:38.39 | jetscreamer | i think those are 'fingers' |
| 17:38.57 | rodmar | shriven: I have a low end machine with a debian kernel installed running as an access point with a new atheros 11n nic |
| 17:39.12 | abrotman | jetscreamer: notice he has greeted everyone that has spoken ? |
| 17:39.20 | jaunny | why is there man in abrotman? |
| 17:39.29 | asdf | uh |
| 17:39.44 | abrotman | !fr |
| 17:39.44 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 17:39.55 | rodmar | shriven: and I want to do some driver programming on my machine, compilie it for the debian kernel, and them install the modules in the debian machine |
| 17:40.18 | shriven | rodmar: ok, so your problem is with which part of this process? |
| 17:40.24 | jetscreamer | doesn't say why don't you just install debian on the kickass machine also |
| 17:40.27 | jaunny | why abrotman is not banned? there are so many reasons to |
| 17:40.42 | jetscreamer | jaunny: because he doesn't want to ban himself.. hint hint |
| 17:40.49 | abrotman | oh jeez .. it's doudou again .. i should have known |
| 17:41.02 | jetscreamer | heh a regular eh |
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| 17:41.16 | rodmar | shriven: knowing exactly were the modules are in the debian machine, and have to copy dozens of modules to the debian machine every time I compile something |
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| 17:41.29 | doudou | where can i click to help abrotman banned? |
| 17:41.42 | rodmar | shriven: is not just one module, is the entire network stack |
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| 17:42.06 | jetscreamer | mount the remote via sshfs and with the compile options tell it where the target is? |
| 17:42.32 | agaran | doudou: tried /disco ? |
| 17:42.37 | shriven | rodmar: yes you will have to copy stuff everytime. There really isn't any way around that. maybe you should write a script to copy the stuff so you don't have to do it manually. Or you could create yourself a .deb that you just copy over and install |
| 17:42.46 | doudou | why is explained what is going on between java1.5 and debian, i dont understand anything, thats confort me in the idea of some ppl need to be banned |
| 17:43.10 | rodmar | shriven: thanks |
| 17:43.36 | doudou | hi agaran usualy i dont si hi whith doudou nick,but as i started here |
| 17:43.42 | shriven | rodmar: sure... To me it sounds like your best bet is just going to be to create a script that uses rsync to put stuff in the correct location. |
| 17:43.44 | mjt | is there a way to run a binary from i386 on amd64 debian? |
| 17:43.49 | doudou | hi mjt |
| 17:44.06 | jetscreamer | ah is auto-hi |
| 17:44.06 | mjt | hello |
| 17:44.20 | jetscreamer | fresh faces only |
| 17:44.38 | shriven | mjt: some binaries will run, yes, you will probably need ia32-libs |
| 17:45.49 | mjt | libc6-i386 it is |
| 17:45.52 | mjt | thanks shriven ! |
| 17:45.54 | doudou | so where is written the story of the relationship of debian and java? i dont understand anything specialy the 1.4 and 1.5 and sun-java6-jre |
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| 17:46.06 | doudou | why they said non-free |
| 17:46.13 | rodmar | shriven: is it possible to copy the folder were the modules are built to the debian machine, and then perform a normal make install |
| 17:46.19 | abrotman | !tell doudou about java |
| 17:46.38 | doudou | the "cannot send to channel" is late |
| 17:46.43 | lunk | doudou: system-wide java installations almost never work out anyway. I setup java for each user that needs it, so one box can support multiple java versions for apps that require it |
| 17:46.51 | doudou | hi lunk |
| 17:46.52 | lunk | user = service |
| 17:47.16 | lunk | hi |
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| 17:47.31 | jetscreamer | i finally installed vista! i'm so happy! now i can dd that drive! |
| 17:47.37 | matrix4 | i have virus infected pen driver i cant remove the virus it has name i qphdin.com i cant format it |
| 17:47.45 | shriven | rodmar: "make install" requires a Makefile. If you write a Makefile then yes. But it is unlikely there is a Makefile already created that will copy your compiled modules to where you want... |
| 17:47.53 | module000 | matrix4: you can't "rm qphdin.com"? |
| 17:47.57 | doudou | thanks lunk, but i may need more explanations? |
| 17:47.59 | jetscreamer | have you tried dd'ing the stick |
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| 17:48.07 | doudou | hi matrix4 |
| 17:48.13 | jetscreamer | die doudou |
| 17:48.16 | shriven | rodmar: that certainly would be one way to go, but really it is probably harder than writing a shell script to do it. |
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| 17:48.54 | matrix4 | yas it say that drive is write protect |
| 17:48.59 | rodmar | shriven: the make file comes with the compat-wireless package, I only specifie the kernel to use when building |
| 17:49.02 | mtnd3w | hey anyone have a really good .font.conf file for lenny? |
| 17:49.10 | module000 | matrix4: do it as root, or mount it rw |
| 17:49.21 | doudou | hi mtnd3w |
| 17:49.28 | doudou | hi module000 |
| 17:49.30 | lolufail | hi there! |
| 17:49.30 | shriven | rodmar: yes, but that Makefile is for installing the files onto your LOCAL system. If you then want to copy them elsewhere, you will have to do that manually. |
| 17:49.30 | lolufail | I have a raid6 with 10 drives, I added 2 more drives today, and initiated the "growth".. dmesg now shows errors on one of the old drives... do I have to fear for my data? |
| 17:49.34 | abrotman | doudou: please stop doing that |
| 17:49.37 | doudou | hi lolufail |
| 17:49.37 | mtnd3w | doudou hello... |
| 17:49.40 | jetscreamer | or umount it and dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/usbstickthing |
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| 17:49.48 | matrix4 | i think that qphdin.com its ms dos application details pain |
| 17:49.48 | doudou | hi mtnd3w |
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| 17:49.57 | mtnd3w | lol |
| 17:50.01 | shriven | rodmar: that Makefile can almost certainly help you figure out where to put the files ont he remote system though |
| 17:50.05 | mtnd3w | hi doudou |
| 17:50.18 | agaran | doudou: on some channels auto hello isnt welcomed |
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| 17:50.28 | jetscreamer | hey everytime doudou says hi how do i get my irc client to say die? |
| 17:50.30 | doudou | what auto? |
| 17:50.32 | jetscreamer | :) j/k |
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| 17:50.52 | matrix4 | how can i format it |
| 17:50.55 | matrix4 | ? |
| 17:50.59 | jetscreamer | or umount it and dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/usbstickthing |
| 17:51.06 | module000 | matrix4: mkfs.vfat /dev/usbstickthing |
| 17:51.06 | doudou | abrotman did yyou start to work on your autoban? |
| 17:51.08 | jetscreamer | /dev/sdx probably |
| 17:51.29 | doudou | i may help you know |
| 17:51.36 | jetscreamer | but don't dd blindly |
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| 17:52.07 | matrix4 | thanks |
| 17:52.20 | jetscreamer | umount first |
| 17:52.36 | lolufail | btw it's a md raid ;)......... |
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| 17:53.40 | lindenle | Anyone got any hints to speed up kde4, my laptop should be blindingly fast and it feels slow ;(. |
| 17:53.50 | doudou | hi lidenle |
| 17:54.04 | jetscreamer | aptitude purge kde* comes to mind, but i digress |
| 17:54.20 | jetscreamer | i like kde4 |
| 17:54.24 | lindenle | jetscreamer: your pretty much my hero today.... sadly i have become kde addicted |
| 17:54.25 | jetscreamer | it's pretty |
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| 17:54.52 | abrotman | doudou: please turn off that script that greets everyone |
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| 17:55.13 | jetscreamer | hears 'or else' whispered in the wind |
| 17:56.10 | doudou | brotman i can build such script, i dont now how to get input in java because i have 1.4 and Scanner is 1.5 |
| 17:56.19 | lindenle | is seriously considerin xfce |
| 17:56.48 | nsadmin | doudou: there's probably a #java (where autohello is also not welcome) |
| 17:56.49 | jetscreamer | it's under hvy development lately, afaict |
| 17:57.04 | jetscreamer | i see new packages frequently lately |
| 17:57.10 | jetscreamer | for xfce |
| 17:57.31 | doudou | i tried aptitude install java5-runtime and then prompt a windows saying config of sun-java6-bin |
| 17:57.40 | doudou | i love fluxbox |
| 17:57.42 | allu2 | Aleksi-Debian:/usr/src/modules/qc-usb/debian# lsmod |grep quickcam |
| 17:57.42 | allu2 | quickcam 62948 0 |
| 17:57.42 | allu2 | videodev 27520 1 quickcam |
| 17:57.42 | allu2 | usbcore 118224 4 quickcam,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd |
| 17:57.42 | allu2 | Aleksi-Debian:/usr/src/modules/qc-usb/debian# |
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| 17:57.50 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 17:57.50 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 17:57.53 | doudou | hi hi hi hi hi alu2 |
| 17:57.56 | allu2 | pickcoder: there |
| 17:57.59 | lindenle | doudou: me too but addicted to klaptop stuff |
| 17:57.59 | asg | doudou: stop it |
| 17:58.00 | jetscreamer | or else, as you can see |
| 17:58.03 | matrix4 | can i do that uduntu server edtion |
| 17:58.10 | allu2 | goes next time pastebin :P |
| 17:58.14 | abrotman | matrix4: ask #ubuntu |
| 17:58.21 | jetscreamer | lol it is an autoscript, you're busted |
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| 17:58.58 | nsadmin | whether it's auto or not, it's annoying |
| 17:59.00 | jetscreamer | well under indictment |
| 17:59.37 | jetscreamer | gaol-and-what |
| 17:59.43 | doudou | oups i refused sun license .. dont know what debian is installing now ... i hape thoses programms that consider my computer like their trash |
| 17:59.45 | jetscreamer | gaoland.net |
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| 18:00.02 | allu2 | pickcoder: so? |
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| 18:00.08 | doudou | hi nsadmin |
| 18:00.11 | jetscreamer | priorities eh |
| 18:00.19 | lindenle | How does xfce work with a laptop |
| 18:00.20 | lindenle | ? |
| 18:00.25 | asg | doudou: contribute something relevant or fuck off |
| 18:00.42 | nsadmin | !ops doudou annoying autohello script |
| 18:00.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nsadmin complains about: doudou annoying autohello script |
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| 18:01.13 | Grizzly | !seen Bryanstein |
| 18:01.13 | dpkg | bryanstein is currently on #debian, last said: 'CutMeOwnThroat, I actually have that link open already LOL...but thanks for the link'. |
| 18:01.15 | doudou | asg, seems you understand problems inefficiently, because i am contributing to stop stupid programming |
| 18:01.23 | doudou | hi Grizzly |
| 18:01.30 | Grizzly | hi doudou |
| 18:01.33 | abrotman | doudou: please stop doing that, last warning |
| 18:01.37 | asg | doudou: by saying hi to everything that wanders in? I don't think so. |
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| 18:01.56 | doudou | abrotman stopping to be polite? maybe you should try to strat? |
| 18:01.56 | Grizzly | Anyone seen Bryanstein lately ? |
| 18:02.01 | doudou | start |
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| 18:02.07 | asg | !seen Bryanstein |
| 18:02.07 | dpkg | bryanstein is currently on #debian, last said: 'CutMeOwnThroat, I actually have that link open already LOL...but thanks for the link'. |
| 18:02.22 | abrotman | Grizzly: he's here .. see nickserv to see how long idle perhaps ? |
| 18:02.24 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 18:02.26 | allu2 | some one can help me with webcam of logitech? |
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| 18:02.42 | Grizzly | thanks abrotman :) |
| 18:02.52 | Grizzly | I just tought you seen him talk in here |
| 18:02.52 | jetscreamer | lol if he was still op doudou would have been gone 20min ago |
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| 18:03.16 | jetscreamer | doudou meets mwilson.. nice movie |
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| 18:03.57 | lindenle | is off to try xfce4...i.e. wasting a Friday.... |
| 18:04.29 | allu2 | huoh |
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| 18:05.24 | simonrvn | i think i have doudou on ignore |
| 18:05.39 | allu2 | why webcams are so difficult on debian :( |
| 18:06.05 | shriven | allu2: you will probably have better luck doing some google searching than asking in here |
| 18:06.07 | abrotman | just some of them |
| 18:06.10 | doudou | i leave ... a girl is asking for me, same song here, do you consider this motto : "why you always obtain the same results and why you always do thing the same way?" |
| 18:06.20 | doudou | hi somonrvn |
| 18:06.28 | simonrvn | they aren't? |
| 18:06.34 | allu2 | shriven: the ones i have tried have all fail in way or other |
| 18:06.51 | allu2 | shriven: should i have normally /dev/video ? |
| 18:07.01 | shriven | allu2: no idea |
| 18:07.04 | doudou | abrotman : autoban no so many letters to change you know |
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| 18:07.12 | asg | doudou: then leave already. Google for inflatable pumps if you need additinal assistance. |
| 18:07.20 | allu2 | because i don't have it and all prorams seem to try get the stream from there :S |
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| 18:07.31 | shriven | allu2: seems likely then |
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| 18:07.42 | allu2 | *programs |
| 18:08.09 | stuNNed | whats up guys? |
| 18:08.27 | stuNNed | anyone else's gnome go caput today with unstable? here did until the update was given :D |
| 18:08.51 | asg | stuNNed: the bts would tell you. Otherwise, file bugs. |
| 18:09.22 | allu2 | huoh nothing works :( |
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| 18:09.45 | stuNNed | asg: what does bts stand for? |
| 18:09.56 | greycat | !bts |
| 18:09.56 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 18:10.03 | asg | stuNNed: /msg dpkg bts ; /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 18:10.14 | stuNNed | thnx |
| 18:10.15 | stew | and /msg dpkg btssmite me |
| 18:10.34 | allu2 | can some one please help me with Quickcam logitech webcam i can't get it work anyway |
| 18:11.03 | Chicago | allu2, did you find a kernel module for it? |
| 18:11.42 | squisher | hey, for some reason I get a stupid "scroll" mode when hitting the middle mouse button in firefox instead of getting a paste |
| 18:11.44 | allu2 | is novice :P |
| 18:11.59 | allu2 | has bad luck with everything too |
| 18:12.10 | squisher | I just checked in about:config and autoscroll is set to false, while middlemouse.paste is set to true |
| 18:12.21 | squisher | yet it is not pasting at all |
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| 18:12.41 | allu2 | Chicago: i have intalled all kind of modules all kinds of manuals have told nothing have helped |
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| 18:13.25 | Chicago | allu2, hmm, I had the logitech quickcam messenger working well with gentoo-sources kernels since probably 2.6.18, which model are you using? |
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| 18:13.32 | squisher | ah, nevermind, stupid all-in-one-gestures |
| 18:13.56 | allu2 | Chicago: you expect i remember.. |
| 18:14.18 | allu2 | QuickCam E 1000 |
| 18:14.25 | simonrvn | allu2: nothing to do with luck |
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| 18:14.57 | allu2 | simonrvn: well let's say in my hands things go wrong even when done right :P |
| 18:16.18 | allu2 | Chicago: can you try help me so that i could even see the picture of my cam |
| 18:16.59 | agaran | allu2: maybe try to get vci/vpi as its probably usb device, so lsusb could help little |
| 18:17.21 | Chicago | allu2, did you get a device node for it in /dev/video*? |
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| 18:17.41 | allu2 | Chicago: i don't have folder /dev/video* |
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| 18:18.23 | allu2 | Bus 001 Device 013: ID 046d:08af Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Easy/Cool = lsusb |
| 18:18.23 | Chicago | I wonder if launching ekiga or something else which wants a webcam, would load the modules for you... dunno. |
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| 18:19.29 | matrix4 | its not working <jetscreamer> |
| 18:19.55 | matrix4 | <jetscreamer> its not working |
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| 18:20.08 | allu2 | :( so hard to get one webcam work :( |
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| 18:20.56 | matrix4 | it say written protected |
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| 18:22.16 | metalx2000 | Hello, just reinstalled Debian Lenny. SWFDEC is the default flash player for iceweasel but I like to use Flash non-free. I've installed it with aptitude but iceweasel still defaults to swfdec |
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| 18:22.32 | metalx2000 | I know I've had this problem in the pass, but I canolat remember what I did yo fix it |
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| 18:23.10 | squisher | metalx2000, deinstall swfdec? |
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| 18:24.08 | metalx2000 | if I try and remove swfdec it want's to remove gnome as well |
| 18:24.08 | greycat | "win/win!" |
| 18:24.09 | metalx2000 | I kinda want to keep gnome |
| 18:24.09 | squisher | haha |
| 18:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 18:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | see, there's your mistake |
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| 18:24.09 | squisher | metalx2000, check about:plugins in firefox? |
| 18:24.21 | squisher | see if it shows up and what's enabled |
| 18:24.25 | metalx2000 | I went to about:plugins. did see and option to change it. but I'll look again |
| 18:24.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | metalx2000, aptitude why swfdec |
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| 18:25.55 | metalx2000 | aptitude why swfdec-mozilla |
| 18:25.55 | metalx2000 | i gnome Depends swfdec-mozilla |
| 18:26.20 | greycat | Just the "gnome" package, or the actual programs and stuff? |
| 18:26.31 | greycat | still hasn't learnt this aptitude stuff. |
| 18:26.51 | hark | metalx2000: update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so |
| 18:26.53 | metalx2000 | gnome is the only thing listed |
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| 18:27.12 | greycat | If it's just "gnome" and nothing else, it's perfectly safe to remove that, and you'll still have the real GNOME packages. |
| 18:27.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | not with aptitude |
| 18:27.30 | metalx2000 | thanks hark |
| 18:27.32 | metalx2000 | that was it |
| 18:27.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude always autoremoves all unnecessary packages marked "auto" |
| 18:27.57 | squisher | why does swfdec have a higher priority than the non-free flash? |
| 18:28.02 | greycat | continues not using aptitude. |
| 18:28.11 | hark | apt-get would do the same now with autoremove as well |
| 18:28.11 | squisher | it's fine to not install flash by default imho, but it should have a higher prio |
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| 18:28.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | metalx2000, apt-cache show gnome | grep epend ... shows you there is no replacement... file a bug |
| 18:29.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be swfdec-mozilla | <nonfree-flash-mozilla-whateveritscalled> |
| 18:29.32 | allu2 | >:[ if i don't get this work till tomorrow i shall install windows to my other comp :( |
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| 18:29.53 | abrotman | greycat: apt-get does the same thing in lenny and up |
| 18:29.54 | allu2 | please some one help me get this webcam work :( |
| 18:29.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, same here... aptitude just messes around too much |
| 18:30.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | WHAT? |
| 18:30.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, mine doesn't, it just suggests it |
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| 18:30.35 | abrotman | oh .. with autoremove .. it can do it .. sorry |
| 18:30.36 | unixSnob | tried to build source from a tarball, and a crappy "configure" script fails to find X and openssl |
| 18:30.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a difference if I suggest to chop your head of or if I do it |
| 18:30.49 | metalx2000 | allu2 what is the problem with your webcam? |
| 18:30.58 | abrotman | allu2: did you install the qc source? module |
| 18:30.58 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:31.00 | unixSnob | is it possible to build an app from source using debian package tools? |
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| 18:31.07 | allu2 | abrotman: yes |
| 18:31.21 | greycat | unixSnob: if you mean "building a .deb", not quite. |
| 18:31.24 | abrotman | and loaded the module? and when you plug in the usb device, what does dmesg say ? |
| 18:31.27 | allu2 | metalx2000: it doesn't work, theres not single program that would detect it |
| 18:31.46 | unixSnob | pwsafe fails on etch, but works on lenny |
| 18:31.51 | metalx2000 | is it built into a laptop or is it an extrenal? |
| 18:32.00 | metalx2000 | allu2 ^ |
| 18:32.04 | greycat | unixSnob: so you want to backport lenny's version to an etch system? |
| 18:32.07 | unixSnob | greycat: well, I just want to get the source that was used in the lenny version of pwsafe, and build that on etch |
| 18:32.12 | greycat | !ssb |
| 18:32.12 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 18:32.15 | allu2 | metalx2000: it's external |
| 18:32.18 | unixSnob | greycat: yeah |
| 18:32.28 | metalx2000 | do you have the make and model allu2 |
| 18:32.31 | greycat | unixSnob: see what the bot just said, but replace "sid" with "lenny" as appropriate |
| 18:32.40 | unixSnob | greycat: thanks |
| 18:33.00 | unixSnob | !backports |
| 18:33.00 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 18:33.31 | greycat | (you can use /msg dpkg backports.org and so on) |
| 18:33.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | unixSnob, is there a trick to pwsafe? It doesn't seem very convenient for me (partially because the interactive mode mentioned in the manpage doesn't work) |
| 18:33.40 | allu2 | metalx2000: Logitech QuickCam E 1000 |
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| 18:34.59 | unixSnob | CutMeOwnThroat: the man page is garbage |
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| 18:35.17 | metalx2000 | allu2: do you see it when you run lsusb |
| 18:35.18 | unixSnob | CutMeOwnThroat: but the executable works, somewhat |
| 18:35.31 | allu2 | metalx2000: yes |
| 18:35.34 | prophet | i need to set the debian locale but im lost |
| 18:35.56 | unixSnob | CutMeOwnThroat: run pwsafe --help to get better syntax instructions |
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| 18:36.12 | greycat | prophet: http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 18:36.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | unixSnob, but if I want to enter 100 passwords, I'll have to type the passsphrase 100 times... |
| 18:36.23 | greycat | (Warning: page is not really complete.) |
| 18:36.56 | unixSnob | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, I've written a script to handle that.. I have an expect script that will do a mass entry |
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| 18:37.24 | allu2 | metalx2000: so ?? what should i do now? |
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| 18:38.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | unixSnob, but you'll have to give your passphrase to that script... (also, I think I'd run a mass-pullout that locks itself after a time or something) |
| 18:38.31 | badcloud | anyone here have the time to help me sync my google cal with evolution using GCALDaemon? |
| 18:38.57 | badcloud | I double checked everything from the config page from the website |
| 18:39.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | badcloud, no... ask concrete questions and people will try to answer |
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| 18:39.21 | badcloud | hmmmm, note |
| 18:39.22 | badcloud | d |
| 18:39.25 | badcloud | *noted |
| 18:39.34 | metalx2000 | allu2: I'm look stuff to try and help. Have you tried using cheese? |
| 18:39.47 | allu2 | metalx2000: yea |
| 18:40.02 | allu2 | metalx2000: it gives me nonsense |
| 18:40.12 | unixSnob | CutMeOwnThroat: you can either pass in the master password, or you can embed it in the script.. either way, the master pw is vulnerable while the script is running. You can always change the master pw when the script is done |
| 18:40.39 | badcloud | I get no error when running /usr/local/sbin/GCALDaemon/bin/sync-now.sh, but my local .ics file remains the same |
| 18:41.01 | metalx2000 | sorry allu2, The few webcams I have use just worked when I plugged them in |
| 18:41.03 | unixSnob | CutMeOwnThroat: alternatively, someone has written an emacs major mode for pwsafe.. but it's more interactive |
| 18:41.09 | allu2 | :( |
| 18:41.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ew |
| 18:41.37 | abrotman | allu2: and does /dev/video exist ? or anything named like that? |
| 18:41.37 | allu2 | abrotman: no |
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| 18:42.22 | badcloud | all of the variables seem to be correct in the gcal-daemon.cfg file |
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| 18:42.54 | badcloud | concrete enough? |
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| 18:43.19 | allu2 | abrotman: any idea what i should do? |
| 18:43.22 | simonrvn | add more gravel :P |
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| 18:45.25 | allu2 | ...... |
| 18:45.27 | allu2 | :( |
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| 18:45.53 | abrotman | !webcam |
| 18:45.53 | dpkg | For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <quickcam>. For device usage suggestions, see http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm or "mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0". http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam |
| 18:46.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | badcloud, hm, no :) but why don't you use e.g. opensync-plugin-google-calendar gcalcli evolution ...? none of them do what you need? |
| 18:46.20 | mrlolplx | how to change your primary and secondary dns in debian? |
| 18:46.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | badcloud, guess you can run that script of yours with sh -x for more information |
| 18:46.37 | hark | allu2: which driver have you tried? |
| 18:47.02 | greycat | mrlolplx: if you mean the resolvers you use to look up names, edit the /etc/resolv.conf file, unless you are getting them from a DHCP server, in which case it's much more complicated. |
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| 18:47.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | mrlolplx, /etc/networking/interfaces or edit /etc/resolv.conf directly |
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| 18:47.28 | allu2 | hark: gqcam, quickcam i think |
| 18:47.37 | greycat | resolv.conf supports up to three "nameserver" addresses, traditionally. |
| 18:47.45 | hark | allu2: what does uname -r say? |
| 18:47.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/networking/network/ |
| 18:47.53 | ryan-c | Lucy-fear is onjoin spamming |
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| 18:48.09 | jmoncayo | will somebody help me please with this ip tables, i want to make all my computers navigate through a squid proxy running in the same firewall http://pastebin.ca/1439949 |
| 18:48.16 | mrlolplx | im getting dns from my router and i still want to get an ip automatically but choose a dns myself |
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| 18:48.44 | allu2 | hark: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 18:48.46 | ryan-c | greycat: did you get one? |
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| 18:48.53 | ryan-c | guess so |
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| 18:49.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, actually you don't HAVE to enter it in interfaces... you can just get it from dhcp |
| 18:49.31 | stew | greycat: don't bother |
| 18:49.34 | andreelys | cheers guys.. while i type in the terminal the sudo command.. i get âmust be setuid rootâ how can i fix this? |
| 18:49.52 | hark | allu2: install gspca-modules-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 18:50.03 | stew | oh, you already had |
| 18:50.07 | simonrvn | greycat: the part/joining bot would've k:lined it |
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| 18:51.20 | allu2 | hark: now? |
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| 18:52.03 | greycat | andreelys: what does ls -ld $(which sudo) show? |
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| 18:52.35 | hark | allu2: remove and plug it in, what does dmesg |tail say? |
| 18:52.59 | unixSnob | greycat: there was no etch-backport available, so I followed the process. It fails because "E: Build-Depends dependency for pwsafe cannot be satisfied because the package libssl-dev cannot be found" |
| 18:53.27 | unixSnob | greycat: openssl is installed, so I don't want to rebuild it anyway |
| 18:53.46 | andreelys | greycat: this .. -rwxr-xr-x 1 andreelys root 131040 2009-02-17 04:24 /usr/bin/sudo |
| 18:53.52 | simonrvn | libssl-dev isn't |
| 18:54.04 | greycat | andreelys: someone has altered the permissions on that. And the owner. |
| 18:54.19 | andreelys | right..how can i fix it? |
| 18:54.22 | greycat | andreelys: I would suggest finding out how that happened, and then reinstalling the package. |
| 18:54.30 | stew | andreelys: please go to #ubuntu or #kubuntu for help with kubuntu |
| 18:54.37 | greycat | huh? |
| 18:54.45 | simonrvn | (it would seem that someone is 'andreelys') |
| 18:54.52 | allu2 | hark: it works! |
| 18:55.02 | greycat | simonrvn: not necessarily. |
| 18:55.07 | andreelys | stew: im on ubuntu already.. they dont answer |
| 18:55.14 | allu2 | hark: i have to do something that it works next time after restart too or is this ok? |
| 18:55.21 | simonrvn | allu2: so? |
| 18:55.24 | simonrvn | allu2: sorry |
| 18:55.30 | simonrvn | andreelys: so? |
| 18:55.32 | stew | andreelys: try #kubuntu, if they don't know, try ubuntu or kubuntu web forums or mailing lists |
| 18:55.35 | badcloud | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks. installed opensync-plugin-google-calendar. how do I use it? does it intigrate into evolution? |
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| 18:55.52 | hark | allu2: no, it should just work |
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| 18:56.12 | unixSnob | simonrvn: okay, but it doesn't find libssl-dev (now that my sources.list only has deb-src). Should I revert to a full sources.list? |
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| 18:56.34 | hark | *somewhat work, i guess |
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| 18:56.42 | simonrvn | no. install your release's libssl-dev |
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| 18:56.55 | greycat | judd: versions libssl-dev |
| 18:56.56 | judd | greycat: libssl-dev -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch4 etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch5 lenny: 0.9.8g-15 lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny1 sid: 0.9.8g-16 squeeze: 0.9.8g-16 |
| 18:57.23 | simonrvn | you're making a backport, which means you use what's available on your release. |
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| 18:57.28 | greycat | unixSnob: you were supposed to only ADD a deb-src line for lenny. You were supposed to keep the etch deb line. |
| 18:57.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | badcloud, I don't know, I just searched for replacements... "apt-cache search opensync" --> e.g. msynctool You can use this tool to synchronize your devices and application using the OpenSync framework from the command line. [...]" |
| 18:57.43 | greycat | unixSnob: the factoid was trying to say "do not add a lenny deb line; only add a lenny deb-src line" |
| 18:57.48 | simonrvn | greycat: that's true, i was semi-trolling |
| 18:58.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | badcloud, never used any of those - all I was suggesting was to try software packaged in Debian before going for something else... it's mostly a lot less hassle to install |
| 18:58.41 | badcloud | thanks |
| 18:58.58 | karsten | badcloud: I second what CutMeOwnThroat says. |
| 18:59.18 | allu2 | hark: i can't get amsn or skype find he cam ( but camstream shows it |
| 18:59.20 | unixSnob | greycat: ah, I misinterpretted, and commented out all lines except the -src lines |
| 18:59.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | (so it's worth a try even if it fails, because it's such a lot easier to try this way around) |
| 18:59.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, I thought you're me anyway? |
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| 19:00.11 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: It becomes very convenient when I agree with myself. |
| 19:00.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | wouldn't it be "primed" instead of "seconded", then? |
| 19:00.38 | karsten | badcloud: check /usr/share/doc/opensync-plugin-google-calendar and the files under there. |
| 19:00.46 | sanguisdex | has any one had any problems running the ati drivers in lenny? |
| 19:00.49 | karsten | badcloud: Particularly the README. |
| 19:00.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, there's nothing, I already looked |
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| 19:01.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | (only changelog) |
| 19:01.13 | badcloud | wow, thanks you two for the researh |
| 19:01.31 | simonrvn | stuff you could've done yourself *hint* |
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| 19:02.17 | karsten | badcloud: Unfortunately there's not much there. Sorry. |
| 19:02.27 | hark | allu2: did you run the configuration wizard in amsn? |
| 19:03.01 | allu2 | yes |
| 19:03.05 | badcloud | simonrvn, I'm not as savvy |
| 19:03.13 | allu2 | said no cam find in first possible plase :P |
| 19:03.20 | badcloud | as you are sensitive, I might add |
| 19:03.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | badcloud, yeah... what I did was roughly ... "apt-cache search google calenda;apt-cache show opensync-plugin-google-calendar;apt-cache show gcalcli;apt-file update;apt-file show opensync-plugin-google-calendar;apt-cache search opensync;apt-cache show msynctool;" |
| 19:03.28 | karsten | badcloud: The BTS may actually be one of your better sources of information. |
| 19:03.49 | badcloud | BTS? |
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| 19:03.54 | karsten | badcloud: ... or Google. |
| 19:03.56 | karsten | !bts |
| 19:03.56 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 19:03.59 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 19:04.00 | badcloud | ah |
| 19:04.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | badcloud, also, "/msg dpkg apt-file" |
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| 19:04.25 | karsten | badcloud: refers to kmail, but: http://www.chipbennett.net/wordpress/2008/06/how-to-synchronize-kde-pim-with-google-calendar/ |
| 19:04.43 | n3kl | How can I find all installed packages that do not have an installation source? |
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| 19:05.04 | karsten | n3kl: ?? |
| 19:05.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | nkuttler, ??? |
| 19:05.15 | allu2 | hark: yes |
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| 19:05.28 | hark | n3kl: aptitude search '~o' |
| 19:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | now i get the question :) |
| 19:05.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | 42! |
| 19:05.56 | karsten | n3kl: You're referring to third-party packages or packages no longer in the Packages file? |
| 19:06.26 | n3kl | Both |
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| 19:06.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that can't be true... aptitude search '~o' | wc -l --> 395 |
| 19:06.44 | n3kl | I removed old third party sources and upgraded, now my system is jacked |
| 19:07.01 | n3kl | what is teh '~o' ? |
| 19:07.22 | jetscreamer | ddi'ing the vista partition actually feels kinda good, like a weight has been lifted. no joke. |
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| 19:07.55 | n3kl | nice |
| 19:08.14 | n3kl | ahh, how I've missed the debian people |
| 19:08.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetscreamer, the best thing is, you can even do it twice i a row! |
| 19:08.34 | hark | n3kl: Match installed packages that cannot be downloaded |
| 19:08.48 | jetscreamer | i have a backup of course :) |
| 19:08.52 | allu2 | hark: what should i do? |
| 19:09.00 | V3n3RiX | is away (ThisIsLinuxLand!InSilentNightsYouCanHearWindowsPC`sRebooting!..) |
| 19:09.25 | jetscreamer | i was too lazy to find all the stuff i wanted to save so i just backed it all up |
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| 19:10.03 | hark | !tell V3n3RiX -about away |
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| 19:10.21 | jetscreamer | come to thinkof it that's one way to get rid of cruft.. fresh, and if you want/need something, restore from backup |
| 19:10.44 | V3n3RiX | sorry hark...i`ll disable that |
| 19:10.49 | jetscreamer | i must have a lot of backed up kruft, not doing it that way |
| 19:10.57 | jetscreamer | diff copies of, i mean |
| 19:11.09 | sanguisdex | so I am thinking about switching from Ubuntu to debian is there anything that I will be surprised with? |
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| 19:11.45 | jetscreamer | that it's not noob oriented maybe, or that stable is far behind ubuntu version wise, since ubuntu is sid based iirc |
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| 19:12.00 | jetscreamer | but you can always get the latest something somehow |
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| 19:13.01 | jetscreamer | oh, and that no, your ubuntu .deb will NOT work in debian |
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| 19:14.00 | jetscreamer | mumbles something about nvidia and ati also |
| 19:14.29 | hark | allu2: you'll have to look into configuring it somehow, it's a v4l driver afaik |
| 19:15.02 | allu2 | hark: i found reason, it didn't work because i used camstream same time |
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| 19:16.18 | hark | allu2: ah, so it works now? |
| 19:16.50 | allu2 | hark: yea |
| 19:16.53 | jetscreamer | !congratulate allu2 |
| 19:16.53 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies allu2, you did it! |
| 19:17.01 | allu2 | :D |
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| 19:17.13 | allu2 | thank you all of you who helped/tried to help me :D |
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| 19:17.47 | jetscreamer | you mean you don't have an extended list, with biographical notations? |
| 19:18.24 | jetscreamer | no footnotes? OMG |
| 19:20.14 | n3kl | Cool, thanks for teh help |
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| 19:20.41 | streuner_ | greycat:huhu :-) |
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| 19:21.48 | omri | say, can I reset the ifconfig error counters somehow? (without unloading the NIC module) |
| 19:23.12 | sanguisdex | jetscreamer: do you know if will I be able to use openGL with my ATI cardwith Deb 5 |
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| 19:26.57 | N3tw0rK | howdy, i tried upgrading to lenny on a IBM x3650 (etch working fine) after the install it will never boot |
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| 19:27.21 | N3tw0rK | keeps going to inittramfs |
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| 19:29.27 | dv_ | hello |
| 19:29.47 | N3tw0rK | hello |
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| 19:30.06 | jetscreamer | speaking of hello, what happened to doudou |
| 19:30.17 | jetscreamer | i missed the result |
| 19:30.30 | jetscreamer | *end* result |
| 19:30.33 | dv_ | hmm so ext4 is the new hip filesystem? |
| 19:30.40 | jetscreamer | maybe |
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| 19:31.08 | jetscreamer | shudders at the thought of the last one |
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| 19:31.59 | dv_ | the last one being? |
| 19:32.13 | aphexer | The requirements to become Debian Maintainer seem to be the same as for DD, but they get less "rights" (permissions on systems, vote, ...). What am I missing? |
| 19:32.17 | jetscreamer | i was thinking reiser, then i was thinking maybe it wasn't the 'last' one |
| 19:32.53 | jetscreamer | but i didn't want to say reiser and ext4 in the same paragraph |
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| 19:33.14 | jetscreamer | create unintended bad connotations |
| 19:33.44 | jetscreamer | *and |
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| 19:34.44 | dv_ | hmm well I keep hearing about this delayed block allocation stuff in ext4 |
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| 19:35.33 | dv_ | but what got me interested were the significantly lower fsck times |
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| 19:36.58 | badcloud | arrrg, msynctool didn't handel the task either |
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| 19:37.20 | badcloud | isn't there one normal PIM in debian/ubuntu that can sync Gcal??? |
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| 19:37.32 | azeem | badcloud: newer evolution can |
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| 19:37.46 | jetscreamer | i was gonna say the gnome thing can't.. guess it can |
| 19:37.48 | greycat | I object to the phrase "normal PIM". |
| 19:38.02 | jetscreamer | i mean, can't the gnome thing do it |
| 19:38.26 | jetscreamer | gah back to afkness |
| 19:38.34 | hsn_ | i am packaging app which needs JRE 5.0, so i should place depends: java2-runtime > 5.0? in debian/control? |
| 19:38.53 | badcloud | azeem |
| 19:38.55 | badcloud | thanks |
| 19:39.00 | badcloud | I'll give it a shot |
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| 19:39.59 | binrapt | Hello, I intend to run Debian on this board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153145 It has a Realtek 8111C gigabit NIC, I have read lots of hits on Google which suggested that Linux drivers for it are unstable (posts from ~Oct 2008). Has there been any development since then? It would be a shame if I had to run Windows on it for that reason... |
| 19:40.09 | badcloud | azeem, I have 2.26.1 and it didn't work |
| 19:40.21 | abrotman | binrapt: even if it were, you can't get a PCI NIC? |
| 19:40.33 | badcloud | greycat, I see your point |
| 19:40.47 | binrapt | abrotman I could but I'd rather save money |
| 19:41.03 | abrotman | binrapt: oh .. tiny board |
| 19:41.07 | binrapt | Also, it is too slow |
| 19:41.12 | binrapt | I need 1000 mbit |
| 19:41.14 | binrapt | PCI is 133? |
| 19:41.28 | abrotman | 133Mhz |
| 19:41.29 | badcloud | greycat, normal in this case is actually managing to a) connect with google b) download the ics file, and c) displaying it properly |
| 19:41.33 | abrotman | is that right? |
| 19:41.37 | greycat | MHz != Mbits per second |
| 19:41.45 | abrotman | i know that |
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| 19:41.59 | binrapt | Oh wait, Wikipedia says 133 MB/s |
| 19:42.01 | binrapt | Not Mbit/s |
| 19:42.02 | greycat | abrotman: I'm telling binrapt |
| 19:42.12 | binrapt | So it actually does suffice for a gigabit PCI NIC |
| 19:42.23 | abrotman | binrapt: it's close enough anyways |
| 19:42.52 | binrapt | Neither Etch nor Lenny appear to handle that card :( what a shame |
| 19:43.02 | abrotman | but i guess it's not 133Mhz .. |
| 19:43.10 | greycat | Is there a specific Linux kernel version that is known to have a good driver for it? |
| 19:43.17 | abrotman | binrapt: there is a .29 in sid |
| 19:43.54 | binrapt | abra: Ah, and that works? |
| 19:43.57 | binrapt | With this NIC? |
| 19:43.58 | nsadmin | binrapt: etch and lenny do not handle cards. kernels do. |
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| 19:44.09 | binrapt | nsadmin: Out of the box behaviour |
| 19:44.09 | abrotman | binrapt: i don't know, i don't have that NIC |
| 19:44.35 | binrapt | I'm a noob, I prefer not having to fiddle with kernels |
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| 19:45.00 | nsadmin | binrapt: but you can read and understand... |
| 19:45.43 | nsadmin | that's the first requirement to get you to advance beyond noobness (or ability to cite noobness as an excuse) |
| 19:45.53 | ajavid | if you fiddle with kernels long enough you won't be a noob! |
| 19:46.03 | ajavid | keep avoiding it and you'l remain one. |
| 19:46.39 | binrapt | ajavid maybe so |
| 19:46.42 | nsadmin | he's citing it as an excuse for his stated preference |
| 19:47.34 | greycat | If you like to play with shiny new hardware, you will have to expect a bit of learning to make it work. |
| 19:47.52 | greycat | If you want things that just work without any effort, stick with hardware that's a year or two old. |
| 19:48.11 | abrotman | or at least based on known chipsets |
| 19:48.15 | nsadmin | otoh, if you happen to have some spare and older hardware, it's more likely to be supported by earlier kernels |
| 19:48.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, I learned to avoid fiddeling with kernels when possible :) |
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| 19:59.23 | binrapt | Damn, all Jetway hardware uses either RTL8102E (too slow) or RTL8111C/0 (not well supported? |
| 19:59.30 | holycow | does anyone know where i can download an iso of debian etch? I can't find it on debian.org |
| 19:59.49 | greycat | I'd google for "debian etch net install iso" and see what it gives. |
| 19:59.56 | binrapt | The IPC ones I mean |
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| 20:00.23 | creature1 | is there something that would automatically issue hdparm -Y when a HD has been idle for certain amount of time? |
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| 20:00.55 | holycow | yeah, i've tried permutations of that .. will try more |
| 20:00.57 | holycow | thanks |
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| 20:01.13 | Demosthenes | i've downloaded the latest netinstaller and burned it to cd. i'm trying to verify the md5sum of the iso vs the new cd, and fail each time. md5sum is only reading the first 2 megs of the cd, which i assume is the boot image. any ideas? |
| 20:01.53 | greycat | Demosthenes: how did you burn the CD? |
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| 20:02.10 | Demosthenes | k3b in DAO mode, low speed, two different burners and 8 CD's from two vendors |
| 20:02.12 | focalor | holycow: 686, 64? |
| 20:02.18 | Demosthenes | same problem each time, it only reads the first two megs |
| 20:02.33 | greycat | Does the CD actually work? |
| 20:02.36 | holycow | 32 bit unfortunately, this is an box from 2k |
| 20:02.49 | holycow | actually either i want to download both ... i can't believe i can't find this |
| 20:02.53 | holycow | seems so below noob |
| 20:02.57 | Demosthenes | greycat: one did boot, but gave errors loading files which is why i'm trying to md5sum verify the cd |
| 20:03.27 | focalor | holycow: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-501-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:03.28 | Demosthenes | i've always used md5sum to verify cd's in the past and it works great. what i don't get is why i can only read the boot image! |
| 20:03.44 | hark | holycow: /msg dpkg cd archive |
| 20:03.50 | greycat | If the CD's not working, *and* the md5sum isn't reading it, then I'd suspect it's burnt wrong. |
| 20:03.51 | holycow | oh |
| 20:04.07 | Demosthenes | greycat: i agree. but 8 timeS? |
| 20:04.09 | dondelelcaro | !installit |
| 20:04.10 | focalor | holycow: i d/l it |
| 20:04.10 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 20:04.40 | _Claus | I'm trying to make maildrop work on my debian box. I've installed postfix, courier, spamassasin, and Anomy Sanitizer, following this guide for the last two http://advosys.ca/papers/email/53-postfix-filtering.html |
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| 20:05.26 | _Claus | Now i'm looking into why my .mailfilter is not triggered. I have uncommented the maildrop line in master.cf and verifyed the .mailfilter |
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| 20:05.51 | J_P | hi all |
| 20:06.10 | Demosthenes | greycat: again, thats why verification is important. i grabbed the md5sum off the site and the gpg sig, verified both... now i can't read more than the boot image. thats new to me, and i'm trying to dd past it with no results |
| 20:06.22 | J_P | what is wrong with this mdadm? http://dpaste.com/49158/ |
| 20:06.40 | greycat | Demosthenes: I'd try different burning software |
| 20:06.52 | greycat | I've never used anything but cdrecord and growisofs |
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| 20:07.03 | holycow | focalor: thank you for the help, greycat thank you as well |
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| 20:07.17 | holycow | hark: awesome, that is pretty much what i new had to exist, appreciate that! bookmarking it |
| 20:07.42 | mjt | J_P: ls -l /dev/sda3 |
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| 20:08.00 | mjt | J_P: you don't have sda3 device node in /dev |
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| 20:08.14 | MegaTher1 | any problems with e2fsprogs on testing, using resize2fs on an ext4 filesystem to shrink it, and get segmentation fault? resize2fs 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008) |
| 20:08.15 | bookmark | good afternoon ocean fairers, how the heck is nvidia accelerated graphics supported in the latest version of debian generic kernen (which it is) because the nvidia driver is a stand along binary blob? |
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| 20:08.31 | bookmark | s/kernen/kernel |
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| 20:08.51 | J_P | mjt: humm I think I need reboot machine after create that partition.. rebooting. |
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| 20:09.25 | bolt | what's the simplest cli tool for converting wave files to decent quality mp3's? |
| 20:09.30 | mjt | J_P: not if you used parted instead of fdisk |
| 20:09.42 | greycat | bolt: /msg dpkg lame |
| 20:09.42 | pcmedic | bolt: lame |
| 20:09.49 | pcmedic | oops |
| 20:10.01 | mjt | J_P: but kernel does not re-read partition table on disks which are in use (like your sda where sda1 is used) |
| 20:10.29 | bookmark | no one knows? |
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| 20:11.12 | mjt | bookmark: i for one does not know how to parse your question |
| 20:11.28 | Demosthenes | greycat: know the command off hand to burn out a full image? |
| 20:11.38 | greycat | cdrecord image.iso |
| 20:11.49 | Demosthenes | no way, no other flags? |
| 20:11.54 | J_P | mjt: after reboot works ;-) |
| 20:11.55 | greycat | if you only have one device, that should work, with sufficiently new cdrecord versions |
| 20:12.06 | J_P | mjt: I used cfdisk |
| 20:12.16 | greycat | If you have to specify a device, it's something like cdrecord dev=... image.iso |
| 20:12.16 | mjt | on debian it's wodim, not cdrecord |
| 20:12.28 | greycat | Not if you installed real cdrecord like I did. ;-) |
| 20:12.41 | bookmark | ok well nvidia driver is a stand alone binary blob yeah? at leastit used to be... now they have full accelerated glx right in generic kernel on my nvidia card... so... what gives. /etc/models only reads: loop sbp2 |
| 20:13.07 | bolt | greycat, pcmedic: great! thanks :D |
| 20:13.08 | bookmark | it isn't being loaded a module, at least not in /etc/modules |
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| 20:13.33 | bookmark | is it part of linux kenrel sourcecode package now? |
| 20:13.49 | mjt | bookmark: jfyi, there are millions of programs out there that can load modules |
| 20:13.51 | bookmark | which would kind of make linux not open source anymore |
| 20:14.08 | Demosthenes | greycat: hrm, i have cdrdao and wodim |
| 20:14.09 | mjt | only one of them reads /etc/modules |
| 20:14.18 | bookmark | ah well i'm just wondering now am i stuck with this generic kerenel or what? |
| 20:14.25 | greycat | wodim is a cdrecord work-alike. You can try it. |
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| 20:14.33 | bookmark | unless i want to make nvidia myself i guess ah ok |
| 20:14.34 | greycat | You'll probably have to specify the device though. |
| 20:14.36 | Demosthenes | thats what k3b calls on the backend |
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| 20:14.59 | bookmark | ill have to do this later, it seems like a headache |
| 20:15.01 | mjt | bookmark: modern kernels includes quite a fair amount of code needed for nvidia to work |
| 20:15.31 | bookmark | i have to recompile my kernel for other reasons but now i have to sort out nvidia |
| 20:15.37 | bookmark | so ill have to put this off for some other time |
| 20:15.40 | bookmark | c yaz |
| 20:16.22 | bookmark | i wasn't having the best of luck getting nvidia module loaded last time i compiled it |
| 20:16.35 | bookmark | bye |
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| 20:19.15 | factor | where can I get libtermcap 2.0 from? |
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| 20:19.25 | Turple | Anyone know a good way to compress sql traffic in transit? |
| 20:19.27 | factor | debian testing seems to have only libtermcap 1.0 |
| 20:19.58 | greycat | Are you absolutely certain the thing you're attempting to build can't use (n)curses or termlib instead? |
| 20:20.02 | greycat | (or slang) |
| 20:20.12 | octoserver | what is a good program for quick editing of pictures, like cropping and saving to a smaller size ? |
| 20:20.30 | greycat | I've always liked xv for simple picture cropping, but it's not in Debian any more AFAIK. |
| 20:21.02 | stew | was it ever in debian? |
| 20:21.05 | greycat | yes |
| 20:21.11 | Demosthenes | right, so i just used wodim to write the iso file from the command line, it completed successfully, and i still can't verify the CD |
| 20:21.19 | Demosthenes | i can't read past the two megabyte limit |
| 20:21.59 | greycat | Demosthenes: I would seriously consider installing real cdrecord, or dvd+rw-tools (growisofs) and trying one of those. |
| 20:22.20 | sylarr | howcan i install swfdec mozilla plugin to a different directory? |
| 20:22.58 | \amethyst | factor: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=96987 suggests that the ncurses library will work if you link it to libtermcap.so.2 |
| 20:22.58 | factor | trying to run the CUDA debugger, and it needs termcap 2.0 |
| 20:23.12 | factor | cool |
| 20:23.25 | \amethyst | factor: err, rather, if you link to the ncurses so from libtermcap.so.2 |
| 20:23.51 | factor | will see how that works out |
| 20:24.04 | octoserver | greycat: i guess for what i have to do anyway gimp is the shiznit |
| 20:24.16 | \amethyst | factor: one person there says it worked for cuda-gdb on Sid, and another person on Squeeze |
| 20:24.26 | \amethyst | factor: it would probably work on etch and lenny too |
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| 20:24.56 | factor | will see looks like a simple fix |
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| 20:26.27 | greycat | \amethyst: based on your answer coming before his statement of the goal, I assume this is something you've seen before.... |
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| 20:28.24 | \amethyst | greycat: no, I just searched for libtermcap.so.2 debian and the second result happened to be the same thing |
| 20:28.30 | greycat | heh |
| 20:28.42 | \amethyst | greycat: it's probably the only modern program linked against libtermcap.so.2 :) |
| 20:29.02 | \amethyst | though I do note the debian FAQ still refers to termcap-compat, which hasn't existed for some time |
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| 20:29.09 | \amethyst | (that was the first result) |
| 20:29.11 | greycat | I suspect Red Hat derivatives still link vim against termcap, but I haven't actually confirmed that. |
| 20:29.24 | greycat | I just know it's bloody fucking annoying every time I go onto any sort of Red Hat box. |
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| 20:29.47 | poppiez | I accidentally deleted my /var/log/mail.log. tried to restart syslog but it still doesn't want to log entries in the file again. how do I "go back"? |
| 20:30.21 | greycat | poppiez: touch /var/log/mail.log and then restart your logging service(s), or reboot if you don't know how to do that |
| 20:30.49 | \amethyst | greycat: aha |
| 20:30.55 | \amethyst | greycat: they don't put ncurses in /lib |
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| 20:31.16 | factor | that did not appear to work., the link is pointed to ncurses, but wont find the lib still |
| 20:31.30 | factor | <\amethyst>looks like it should by any means |
| 20:31.35 | \amethyst | factor: what is the exact link you created? |
| 20:31.41 | poppiez | greycat: doesn't help. seems it's in the wrong group. it's root:root right now where as the others are in root:adm. changing it to root:adm doesn't help either |
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| 20:32.01 | greycat | poppiez: Mine is root:root but it's also 0 bytes and it's from 2004. |
| 20:32.07 | factor | ln -s /usr/lib/libncurses.so /usr/local/cuda/lib/libtermcap.so.2 |
| 20:32.09 | JavaTheHud | Hi there, how can I install Java 3D in debian lenny? |
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| 20:32.36 | greycat | poppiez: so, whatever. Touch the file, make it whatever ownership/group/perms you think are right, then restart *{k,s}yslog{,d,ng}* or reboot. |
| 20:32.37 | \amethyst | factor: and what does ldd cuda-gdb say about the termcap dependency? |
| 20:32.46 | poppiez | greycat: lol. it suddenly started working again after changing it to root:adm |
| 20:33.00 | poppiez | greycat: thanks |
| 20:33.25 | greycat | meant to type {k,sys}log up there, and forgot about r |
| 20:33.42 | greycat | silly Linux distros always changing things for no reason |
| 20:34.14 | factor | \amethyst, libtermcap.so.2 => not found |
| 20:34.22 | wxx | Is there a way to write .sh files in windows ? |
| 20:34.27 | factor | I have the lib path set under user but not root |
| 20:34.45 | factor | but acting same as both |
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| 20:34.57 | greycat | factor: if you're not doing this in /usr/lib or /lib then you have to set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable. |
| 20:35.03 | \amethyst | factor: you mean LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
| 20:35.19 | factor | wellit should be under root as well |
| 20:35.29 | factor | /etc/ld.conf/cuda.conf |
| 20:35.33 | factor | that is what I made |
| 20:35.46 | \amethyst | factor: ld.conf ? |
| 20:35.50 | factor | ad the other programs run |
| 20:35.52 | greycat | what the hell is that? |
| 20:36.04 | \amethyst | debian uses /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ |
| 20:36.29 | factor | yup |
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| 20:36.35 | factor | too many letter and dotys |
| 20:36.39 | factor | but yeah |
| 20:36.43 | simonrvn | ... |
| 20:36.46 | factor | its there |
| 20:36.59 | greycat | if you edited /etc/ld.so* you should run ldconfig |
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| 20:37.09 | factor | yup |
| 20:37.12 | factor | done did that |
| 20:37.14 | factor | long ago |
| 20:37.17 | factor | other stuff works |
| 20:37.22 | factor | just not the gdb |
| 20:37.24 | greycat | Did you do it RIGHT NOW? |
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| 20:37.46 | factor | yup did it after I did the ln -s as well |
| 20:37.51 | factor | just did it again |
| 20:37.51 | factor | same |
| 20:38.39 | cirwin | where's kcontrol gone (using testing, with gnome, apt says that kdebase-workspace-bin and kdelibs4c2a replace package kcontrol. but I can't find the executable)? |
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| 20:39.01 | \amethyst | factor: do you actually have /usr/lib/libncurses.so ? |
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| 20:39.09 | factor | yup |
| 20:39.13 | factor | checked that |
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| 20:39.35 | factor | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2009-04-20 22:29 /usr/lib/libncurses.so -> /lib/libncurses.so.5 |
| 20:39.45 | \amethyst | factor: so readlink -f /usr/local/cuda/lib/libtermcap.so.2 prints ? |
| 20:40.05 | factor | /lib/libncurses.so.5.7 |
| 20:40.11 | \amethyst | so that's right |
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| 20:41.38 | factor | I do an strace on cuda-gdb and I dont see it trying for /usr/local/cuda/lib only /usr/lib |
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| 20:41.51 | greycat | So much work. I would've just put the libtermcap.so.2 link in /lib and then run ldconfig. |
| 20:41.51 | factor | I will make a link in /usr/lib |
| 20:41.57 | factor | yup |
| 20:42.00 | factor | let me see |
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| 20:44.47 | factor | cuda-gdb: symbol lookup error: cuda-gdb: undefined symbol: cudbgExportAPI |
| 20:44.59 | factor | that is what I get now, one step further but no cig |
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| 20:45.20 | \amethyst | factor: that's almost certainly something internal to cuda |
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| 20:45.28 | greycat | Doesn't sound like a curses/termcap error, though. |
| 20:45.38 | factor | yeah poast that now |
| 20:45.43 | factor | past^ |
| 20:45.49 | factor | onto another error |
| 20:45.59 | \amethyst | factor: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=93441 |
| 20:46.04 | factor | moving it to /usr/lib worked though |
| 20:46.42 | \amethyst | factor: that suggests a driver version mismatch... I'd try an nvidia support forum at this point |
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| 20:47.49 | factor | yup will see about the driver upgrade |
| 20:47.55 | factor | ok thanks may be back |
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| 20:48.01 | factor | looks like that will do it though |
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| 20:50.20 | \amethyst | (I find your lack of google-fu... disturbing) |
| 20:50.22 | \amethyst | :) |
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| 21:04.09 | twobitsprite | does anyone here use synergy between a debian system and a windows system? |
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| 21:04.36 | jpinx | !use |
| 21:04.36 | dpkg | Rather than asking if someone uses package foo or program bar, just ask the question that you're planning on asking. See ask to ask, ask, sicco. |
| 21:04.42 | shivraj | how can I get an iso image from a cd ? |
| 21:04.50 | shivraj | I have a serial ata cdr drive |
| 21:04.50 | twobitsprite | ok ok |
| 21:05.07 | jpinx | shivraj: dd it |
| 21:05.24 | nsadmin | comn now, you've been here before, you know this |
| 21:05.24 | twobitsprite | I am having a problem with Sysnergy not locking the windows (client) system when I hit they key to lock my linux (server) system... anyone else have this problem? |
| 21:05.30 | shivraj | jpinx: whats the name of the device ? |
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| 21:05.35 | shivraj | or disk ? ... |
| 21:05.37 | twobitsprite | nsadmin: me? |
| 21:05.43 | factor | looks like I have to install the CUDA driver outside of X , see ya thanks for the help. |
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| 21:05.49 | jpinx | you tell me shivraj |
| 21:06.18 | shivraj | jpinx: how can I find out ? |
| 21:06.24 | shivraj | cdrom0 ? cdrom ? dvd ? |
| 21:06.35 | jpinx | shivraj: fdisk -l maybe |
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| 21:08.11 | Led_Zeppelin | How do I plumb a device in Debian? for example eth0:1 |
| 21:08.23 | IamSOG | Does Debian have a ETCH Long term Support version ? |
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| 21:09.18 | \amethyst | IamSOG: Debian doesn't do "long term support". Each version is supported for about a year after the next version is released... meaning ideally etch will be supported until February 2010 |
| 21:09.19 | jpinx | !support |
| 21:09.19 | dpkg | <Katja_> what did one saggy boob say to the other? If we don't get some support around here, ppl will think we are nuts |
| 21:10.30 | wildc4rd | thats bad, lol |
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| 21:10.41 | twobitsprite | Led_Zeppelin: you mean virtual interfaces? just ifconfig it... i.e. "ifconfig eth0:1 ... up" |
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| 21:11.04 | shivraj | ppl will think we are nuts ? ... I dont think that was the best way to end that joke |
| 21:11.13 | iaindalton | How can I see a list of my most recently installed packages? |
| 21:11.21 | twobitsprite | shivraj: imagine them hanging _really_ low |
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| 21:11.52 | Tramp | Led_Zeppelin: "plumbing" is a term I only know from Sun OS. Virtual interfaces are considered obsolete. You use iproute2 to add IP addresses to interfaces |
| 21:11.53 | avu | iaindalton, /var/log/aptitude has it nicely formatted if you're using aptitude |
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| 21:12.19 | nsadmin | twobitsprite: you can also have it handled in /etc/network/interfaces, for example iface eth0:1 inet static (with appropriate lines below) |
| 21:12.36 | twobitsprite | nsadmin: sure, of course... I was going with the simple solution :P |
| 21:12.39 | avu | iaindalton, /var/log/dpkg.log is another posibility if you're not using aptitude |
| 21:12.58 | shivraj | would a SATA CDRW/DVDR be under scd0 ? |
| 21:13.31 | iaindalton | avu: thanks a bunch; those are both awesome files |
| 21:13.32 | nsadmin | shivraj: look at your dmesg and see what you have |
| 21:14.03 | nsadmin | shivraj: could be... that would indicate it's using the scsi subsystem |
| 21:14.29 | nsadmin | which is increasingly a mismomer |
| 21:14.34 | Led_Zeppelin | twobitsprite, how can I set that up perminently? |
| 21:15.24 | pete_ | Hello, im looking for some kind of open source system monitoring program that would alert me via email whenever my vps is down, of course i could write a more advanced cron but was curious if anyone had any experience with sth ready or could recommend some service? |
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| 21:17.51 | fubada | hey |
| 21:17.59 | fubada | mysql-server on Sid didnt install right from apt |
| 21:18.04 | fubada | cant start service |
| 21:18.17 | fubada | cant do anything with apt, it tries to finish configuration part of mysql package |
| 21:18.22 | fubada | cant remove it either |
| 21:18.25 | fubada | can someone advise |
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| 21:19.57 | jpinx | !sid |
| 21:19.57 | dpkg | i guess sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 21:20.11 | fubada | * Starting MySQL database server mysqld |
| 21:20.11 | fubada | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.11 | fubada | invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. |
| 21:20.11 | fubada | dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure): |
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| 21:20.12 | dpkg | fubada: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 21:20.28 | fubada | ooops my bad |
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| 21:21.21 | jpinx | !tell fubada about sid |
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| 21:24.16 | shivraj | nsadmin: what do I look for in dmesg ? |
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| 21:25.31 | bododo | holà folks! :) |
| 21:25.54 | nsadmin | shivraj: evidence of your machine detecting a cdrom drive at boot |
| 21:25.59 | bododo | I don't know what I've changed exactly. But my Lenny don't shutdown properly |
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| 21:26.15 | bododo | whenever I do sudo shutdown -r now, it doesn't work |
| 21:26.39 | bododo | it hangs up and never shuts down my ibook G4. |
| 21:27.26 | nsadmin | -r is not halt |
| 21:27.52 | toe | how can i umount a busy device during installation? |
| 21:28.03 | toe | got a problem with encrypted lvm |
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| 21:28.14 | nsadmin | make it not busy then unmount it normally |
| 21:28.22 | toe | or how to find out why it is busy |
| 21:28.48 | nsadmin | open file or open directory |
| 21:28.54 | nsadmin | most likely |
| 21:28.55 | bododo | oh sorry, I meant -h |
| 21:29.03 | toe | yeah but how to find out which one? |
| 21:29.20 | bododo | it hangs at "stopping portmap daemon" |
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| 21:31.04 | bododo | what's portmap anyway? |
| 21:31.31 | bododo | (sorry, I'm reading the man :)) |
| 21:32.36 | toe | why the hell is this device busy?! |
| 21:32.38 | toe | arrrr |
| 21:33.02 | toe | cryptsetup luksClose hda2_crypt |
| 21:33.05 | toe | Command failed: Device busy |
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| 21:37.10 | bododo | :( |
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| 21:48.54 | bododo | anyone having problems with portmap? |
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| 21:49.16 | twobitsprite | Led_Zeppelin: check out what nsadmin says aboce |
| 21:49.18 | twobitsprite | above* |
| 21:49.23 | tekk | hey guys, i've noticed when doing a few ipv6 command i.e. dig a v6 address or especially when i try to start radvd i get this error: Starting radvd: [May 29 23:59:53] radvd: setsockopt(IPV6_RECVPKTINFO): Protocol not available |
| 21:49.26 | tekk | any ideas? |
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| 22:03.39 | IamSOG | aahh split |
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| 22:04.37 | pickcoder | gets the chocolate syrup and sprinkles |
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| 22:05.37 | maddler | Hello World! |
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| 22:07.32 | adama_ | !hello world |
| 22:07.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, hello world is 10 PRINT "Hello World!", or perl -e 'print "Hello World!\n";', or int main() { puts("Hello World!"); } |
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| 22:09.45 | G-Farkas | Hi, it is in english, isn't it? |
| 22:10.06 | shivraj | is creating an iso from disk the GUI way, .... using Sound Juicer, is it really this slow ? |
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| 22:15.07 | G-Farkas | i see... Hi all, i want to install debian lenny but i need to satisfy some needs. 1)Make the system as light as it can be 2)Get support for a fast (on writting) file system (maybe ext4 or reiser4, accepting ideas) (I DONT need that / or /home use such FS ) 3)Install a new kernel because I have problem with my wife with the actual kernel) |
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| 22:15.20 | G-Farkas | Can anyone help me? Excuse my english please ^^ |
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| 22:15.48 | enouf | get a new wife |
| 22:16.12 | G-Farkas | jajaj sorry |
| 22:16.19 | G-Farkas | i tried to say wifi |
| 22:16.53 | enouf | heh .. get a new wife anyway? :-P |
| 22:16.59 | G-Farkas | mm wireless card? I dont know how you say that :S |
| 22:17.13 | G-Farkas | Mmm, I dont have wife ^^ |
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| 22:18.17 | G-Farkas | any idea enouf ? |
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| 22:20.42 | G-Farkas | help pls :( |
| 22:20.59 | jpinx | G-Farkas: the base install is around 393MBs - after that it's up to you |
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| 22:22.19 | G-Farkas | hi jpinx, tanx for reply, I've read of some tools to get it even lightest, my priorities are point 3) and then point 2) :S |
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| 22:22.39 | G-Farkas | http://debian.cante.net/stem/ |
| 22:23.15 | njk- | i have a system with 2 internal disks that i would like to do lvm + raid1 |
| 22:24.14 | njk- | can i have a bootable lvm + raid1 / ? |
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| 22:24.17 | njk- | i.e. /, /var, /tmp all lvm vols mirrored on the second disk.... |
| 22:25.06 | pickcoder | njk-: why do not do it the other way around |
| 22:25.23 | pickcoder | the benefit using logical vols is disconnection from the physical devices |
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| 22:25.39 | binrapt | Have any of you successfully run a RTL8111 on Linux? |
| 22:25.43 | njk- | well, i want to be able to resize the vols if needed |
| 22:25.58 | G-Farkas | it it posible that I install the .deb kernel package from ubuntu repos without problems? (i seems that this newer kernel version has no problem with my card) |
| 22:26.14 | njk- | say like /var fills up but i have space on /, i can reduce / and add to /var |
| 22:26.40 | jpinx | G-Farkas: that's a bit of a joke for them to claim a small distro with gnome in it |
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| 22:26.49 | pickcoder | njk-: so add more drives and mirror them? |
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| 22:27.08 | njk- | the system can only hold 2 drives :-( |
| 22:27.10 | pickcoder | add the physical groups and then resize the LV |
| 22:27.21 | pickcoder | so how do you plan on adding this additional space? |
| 22:28.00 | njk- | i would decrease the size of one partition and add that to the other... |
| 22:28.15 | G-Farkas | jpinx: I didnt know that thay claim ubuntu is a small distro, lol, I was thinking of icewm, is ligh enought for may new laptop :s |
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| 22:28.25 | G-Farkas | my* |
| 22:28.57 | njk- | pickcoder: am i making sense? |
| 22:29.49 | G-Farkas | jpinx: that's why make it light is not the first priority, but it is important to me can use a very fast on writting file system |
| 22:30.01 | pickcoder | yeah. I'm just not sure if you can put logical volumes in md |
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| 22:31.12 | pickcoder | or how the resizing would work since you have several layers of resizing to deal with |
| 22:31.16 | jpinx | G-Farkas: check your research - that is 2 years old without revision and is badly out-of-date |
| 22:32.07 | njk- | well, the lv's would be mirrored |
| 22:32.32 | pickcoder | you still have to resize the RAID |
| 22:32.56 | G-Farkas | wich research? sorry i didnt get it :S |
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| 22:35.35 | mrAZ | m-a : 2.6.29 headers for nvidia not found. do i need older kernel ? |
| 22:36.11 | G-Farkas | did u install that kernel headers? |
| 22:36.22 | mrAZ | i did not find them |
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| 22:36.54 | Nightchill | hi, how can i install debian on usb? i.e. make a live usb? |
| 22:37.03 | G-Farkas | mmm i m not on debian but i think the package is called something like mmm linux-headers |
| 22:37.08 | mrAZ | i compiled 2.6.29, have dir linux-2.6.29 - is that what you ppl call headers ? |
| 22:37.11 | Nightchill | i tried myself and failed epically, couldn't even boot it up |
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| 22:38.09 | G-Farkas | mm i guess u should made your headers (but i know nothing about it :) ) |
| 22:38.26 | Nightchill | lol neither do i :D |
| 22:38.38 | Nightchill | and i don't even run debian as a system but archlinux |
| 22:38.44 | mrAZ | Nightchill: http://linux.simple.be/debian/usb |
| 22:38.58 | mrAZ | it worked ok for me yesterday |
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| 22:39.09 | Nightchill | mrAZ: ty ill check it out |
| 22:39.19 | pickcoder | that's for installing FROM a USB device |
| 22:39.23 | pickcoder | not ON to a USB device |
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| 22:40.07 | Nightchill | oh |
| 22:40.09 | Nightchill | noticed |
| 22:40.11 | mrAZ | strange was that on 1gb usb stick did fit only netinstall. was saying device full at some nonsense size |
| 22:40.18 | Nightchill | i need to install *ON* the device |
| 22:40.24 | Nightchill | i.e. make lennny portable |
| 22:40.32 | mrAZ | oh, i see |
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| 22:40.46 | Nightchill | but all tutorials i find are how to do it from debian system, which i do not have installed |
| 22:40.55 | pickcoder | Nightchill: make a vbox image and stick it on a USB stick. :) |
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| 22:41.02 | G-Farkas | Nightchill: you really *need * ? |
| 22:41.22 | mrAZ | Nightchill: it looks lioke you have to install from USB first, then ON usb :))) |
| 22:41.29 | Nightchill | G-Farkas: yeah, beacuse i'm out of empty cd's and really *want* to try out lenny :D |
| 22:41.30 | SyL | what's the command to get back the 10% root reserve for a harddrive again? |
| 22:41.43 | Nightchill | pickcoder: you sure?=) |
| 22:41.50 | pickcoder | it runs great under virtualbox |
| 22:42.09 | G-Farkas | Nightchill: try a DVD :P |
| 22:42.14 | pickcoder | though a real install is better |
| 22:42.16 | Nightchill | i have a kind of crappy system |
| 22:42.22 | Nightchill | think vbox would not be good :D |
| 22:42.31 | mrAZ | why not use live cd ? |
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| 22:42.41 | Nightchill | mrAZ: like i said, don't have empty cd's |
| 22:42.51 | mrAZ | my sorry |
| 22:42.59 | G-Farkas | can I mount a ext4 partition as ext3 from the installation program? |
| 22:43.06 | Nightchill | and i need it now.. asap :D need to test some debootsrap stuff |
| 22:43.24 | Nightchill | strap* |
| 22:43.37 | G-Farkas | Nightchill: i understand you, when the moment arrive it cant wait |
| 22:43.49 | Nightchill | ye =/ |
| 22:43.49 | G-Farkas | can I mount a ext4 partition as ext3 from the installation program? |
| 22:44.44 | pickcoder | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 |
| 22:46.18 | mrAZ | huh? after unpacking new kernel, making mrproper, i make menuconfig and it has my previous configuration. where does it come from? |
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| 22:46.47 | pickcoder | mrAZ: /boot/? |
| 22:46.53 | pickcoder | based on your current kernel |
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| 22:47.02 | mrAZ | that would be make oldconfig |
| 22:48.19 | mrAZ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:49.50 | SyL | tune2fs was it... |
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| 22:52.12 | G-Farkas | Guys, I'm going to install my debian Lenny ^^, so, see you later ^^ |
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| 22:52.43 | G-Farkas | mmm WAIT!!! what about installing Sarge or something like that? |
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| 22:55.12 | person | How do I get emerald on Debian? |
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| 22:57.04 | mrAZ | it has to be something else. i removed all configs from /boot, unpacked kernel, mrproper ... and it still has some setiings from old config |
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| 23:00.08 | mrAZ | is it ok to compile real time kernel 2.6.29 without patching ? |
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| 23:00.31 | mrAZ | is it ok to compile real time kernel 2.6.29 without patching ? |
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| 23:03.11 | person | Is the reason for me not being able to have emerald that it's not included in the Lenny version f the compiz packages? |
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| 23:03.28 | jayeola | kernel bilding debian style: most of the guides i've seen seem to specify root does everything. it should be able to build a kernel package as a non root user, right? |
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| 23:08.29 | njk- | i think i am confused here |
| 23:08.42 | njk- | i have a system with 2 disks and i would like to mirror them |
| 23:09.02 | njk- | i would also like to be able to resize partitions as well |
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| 23:09.45 | fabiofb | njk-, you can use software-RAID1 |
| 23:09.53 | njk- | is the right thing to create one LV and mirror it |
| 23:10.30 | njk- | right, but when i'm going thru the installer i created 4 diff partitions on each disk and then created the md's |
| 23:10.37 | fabiofb | dunno. I don't use LVM |
| 23:10.39 | njk- | and then the LV |
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| 23:11.07 | fabiofb | did you create the md's as RAID1? |
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| 23:14.00 | Mr_Bunny_ | The ftp.us.debian.org repo is showing up with no pubkey for me. I've tried running apt-get update as it suggests, but the problem persists. Any ideas? |
| 23:14.35 | jayeola | debian-keyring ?? |
| 23:14.43 | njk- | fabiofb: yes |
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| 23:16.00 | fabiofb | njk-, now you can use them as ext3, xfs, etc. |
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| 23:18.24 | fabiofb | Mr_Bunny_, ftp.us.debian.org is giving 404 not found for every file I try to fetch |
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| 23:19.10 | Mr_Bunny_ | fabiofb: That's especially strange because I downloaded debian-keyring from it just now. Isn't it just a redirect to other servers, anyway? |
| 23:19.39 | Joelito | hi all, anyone know where can I find screenshots of debian installations in texto mode? I'm looking specially of Debian lenny boot when you press <TAB> key to enter extra params to installer. |
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| 23:20.18 | fabiofb | Mr_Bunny_, yes. some server had its debian repo deleted |
| 23:20.23 | fabiofb | sort of |
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| 23:48.08 | sylarr | I did dd if=/dev/sdd bs=100000000 | bzip2 -c > /mnt/debian_250GB_disk.bz2 |
| 23:48.22 | sylarr | and it is taking forever |
| 23:48.52 | sylarr | rate is 4.5MB/s |
| 23:48.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that's unexpected? |
| 23:48.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 23:49.17 | sylarr | the bzip2 slows it i think |
| 23:49.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, that blocksize looks a bit unwise |
| 23:49.31 | sylarr | Y? |
| 23:49.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, not sure |
| 23:50.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, perhaps not - that's 10MB? |
| 23:50.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 23:50.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | 100GB |
| 23:50.35 | sylarr | without the bzip2, it goes at 50MB/s |
| 23:50.59 | Tramp | yes. bzip2 is dead slow on compression (but not to bad on inflation) |
| 23:51.08 | sylarr | i have a quad core and only one core is 100% |
| 23:51.22 | sylarr | aha |
| 23:51.42 | sylarr | are other compressors better? |
| 23:52.16 | Tramp | sylarr: gzip is faster (but usually compresses a bit worse) |
| 23:52.26 | nsadmin | 250g?? any compression is going to take a long time |
| 23:53.09 | sylarr | I am wondering how much faster? |
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| 23:53.24 | sylarr | can gzip do 50MB/s? |
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| 23:54.00 | Tramp | sylarr: I doubt it - that'd be an order of magnitude. But you'd have to try it ans see |
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| 23:56.42 | jpinx | sylarr: you may leave it running overnight ;) |
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| 23:57.46 | Tramp | sylarr: well, randomly googling gives hint that gzip actually could be an order of magnitude faster (by being 10-20% worse in compression-size) |
| 23:57.51 | ryanCH | can i change my default login name without making a new one? |
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| 23:58.33 | Tramp | ryanCH: man usermod, search for "-l" |
| 23:58.41 | ryanCH | ok |
| 23:59.29 | Tramp | ryanCH: aside from the name of your $HOME you may also want to find/grep inside it to see, if some apps hardwire your name |
| 23:59.57 | sylarr | gzip seem to do 12MB/s |
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| 23:59.57 | ryanCH | that's true, i didn't think of that |
