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| 00:01.40 | Mr_Bunny_ | Can anyone suggest a command line backup utility that can do incremental backups? I'm trying to not give into the urge to make a bash script that tars up directories, checks md5s, and throws the newly created backup away if the same. |
| 00:02.42 | action09 | Mr_Bunny_ rsync |
| 00:03.01 | action09 | Mr_Bunny_ for some fucntionnality natively.. |
| 00:03.04 | Mr_Bunny_ | action09: rsync isn't just for over-network backups? |
| 00:03.38 | action09 | Mr_Bunny_ yes you can use it locally too |
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| 00:05.02 | Tramp | sylarr: if speed is your main concern, you could try --fast |
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| 00:07.28 | action09 | Mr_Bunny_ i'd start to search using rsync, it can do some functionnalities you requested, imho |
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| 00:11.06 | anigma | does debian have some kind of livecd? |
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| 00:11.57 | action09 | anigma http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 00:14.49 | jpinx | uses rsync all the time - for everything |
| 00:16.45 | jpinx | MrBunny - rsync is certainly able to do what you want - read the man |
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| 00:17.39 | Polarina | Mr_Bunny_: Also, do not use MD5 or SHA-1 in any software you make. |
| 00:18.01 | Mr_Bunny_ | Polarina: what hashing algorithms would you recommend? |
| 00:18.04 | dkr | Mr_Bunny_: rdiff-backup |
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| 00:18.34 | Polarina | Mr_Bunny_: SHA-256 on x86 and SHA-512 on x86_64 |
| 00:18.45 | dkr | rsync doesn't get you incrementals. rdiff-backup is like an rsync + incrementals |
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| 00:19.10 | Polarina | Mr_Bunny_: Performance wise, that is. But if you need something that just works and nothing else, use SHA-256. |
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| 00:21.19 | owen1 | everytime i use my usb sticks they get different folder name. sometimes it's sdb2 and sometimes it's sdf2. it bothers me since i use the monut command and i have to change it constantly. |
| 00:24.34 | action09 | owen1 interesting question, same behavior on my box, anyway i'm so lazy to search for à minimalistic confiiguration :) i heard that there were , on some configurations, using a dameon some hack to put it a persistent device name, can't remember which is it, hal .? (/0\) |
| 00:24.34 | jvogel | Hi - I'm running Debian with kernel 2.6.29 on a Dell Latitude E6400. I'm unable to get sound out of my speakers (not a big deal) or my headphones (this is important)... however I do get system beeps (and am unable to blacklist, i get an error). Anyone have any ideas? |
| 00:25.36 | owen1 | i have heard of pmount package. i'll read it's man and let you know. |
| 00:26.41 | action09 | owen1 it use pmount-hal, maybe i was referring to "hal" |
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| 00:29.11 | Mr_Bunny_ | I find it amusing indeed that I have gone this long without realizing that the mail command can mark messages as read. |
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| 00:29.31 | Mr_Bunny_ | I have up until this point been moving or deleting files from /var/mail. |
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| 00:31.21 | Mr_Bunny_ | jvogel: have you checked the logs for alsa complaining about anything? have you checked the volumes in alsamixer? (assuming you're using alsa) |
| 00:31.36 | jvogel | how do i check the logs for alsa |
| 00:31.40 | jvogel | and i volumes are fine |
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| 00:34.00 | sylarr | what do I need for hibernation, or for suspend? |
| 00:34.23 | sylarr | I once tried to suspend and on resume, my screen didn't come back |
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| 00:36.47 | alaqsory | asalamu 3ala man etabaa alhoda, hi all |
| 00:37.34 | jony123 | i have a old mahine petium 2 350mhz 128mb ram and is currently running dsl but i want better use and support liek apt-get but i was wondering if a minium install of debian would work? |
| 00:37.56 | alaqsory | i am asking about how to convert xml to po and back |
| 00:38.17 | jvogel | for some rason i dont have "alsaconf" |
| 00:38.39 | alaqsory | as i will translate from english to arabic language |
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| 00:40.00 | sleon | hi |
| 00:40.06 | sleon | does squeeze support ext4? |
| 00:40.10 | alaqsory | will i have an answer here or u can say to me where can i get help (in which channel) :) |
| 00:40.28 | alaqsory | i am asking about how to convert xml to po and back |
| 00:40.46 | sleon | alaqsory: xml can be everything |
| 00:40.46 | jpinx | !ext4 |
| 00:40.46 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Adds features such as support for volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy. http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:41.04 | alaqsory | how? :) |
| 00:41.24 | sleon | alaqsory: you need some module, perl bib, and xslt conversion profile + something which can convert dtd of the xml file to po |
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| 00:41.32 | sleon | alaqsory: this is not a debian specific question |
| 00:41.47 | jvogel | Mr_Bunny_: sound works now, i installed alsa-base, alsa-utils and alsa-firmware-loader lol |
| 00:42.05 | sleon | alaqsory: are you a programmer? |
| 00:42.06 | alaqsory | yes i know but i do not know where to ask |
| 00:42.10 | alaqsory | no |
| 00:42.22 | alaqsory | i am translator |
| 00:42.46 | alaqsory | and a user of GNU/Linux |
| 00:42.47 | sleon | alaqsory: aa, then get a po editor which can read xml |
| 00:42.50 | sleon | alaqsory: i would suggest |
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| 00:43.01 | sleon | po creator or something for windows :) |
| 00:43.19 | sleon | or equivalent for linux |
| 00:43.32 | sleon | alaqsory: is it enough? |
| 00:43.39 | alaqsory | i am using win and Linux |
| 00:43.49 | owen1 | cat /proc/cpuinfo shows processor 0 and 1, each one 2.6GHz does it means i have dual core? |
| 00:43.51 | sleon | alaqsory: then can an appropriate tool |
| 00:44.10 | sleon | can i install 2.6.28 or 2.6.29 to squeeze_ |
| 00:44.15 | alaqsory | yes it is enough and thank you very much |
| 00:44.28 | sleon | alaqsory: i hope that po editors support xml |
| 00:44.36 | sleon | alaqsory: how did you create this xml? |
| 00:45.08 | alaqsory | no it is the xml which come with the os |
| 00:45.24 | alaqsory | help and support files |
| 00:45.31 | sleon | alaqsory: of windows? |
| 00:45.41 | IamSOG | !/home/users |
| 00:45.43 | sleon | alaqsory: are they intended to be converted to po? |
| 00:45.44 | alaqsory | no of ubuntu and debian |
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| 00:46.01 | alaqsory | i am noot suporting windows |
| 00:46.14 | Flexa | Hello people |
| 00:46.15 | Flexa | madwifi installed etch in a note book |
| 00:46.15 | Flexa | but after modprobe ath_pci |
| 00:46.15 | Flexa | He did not list the interface |
| 00:46.15 | Flexa | any idea? |
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| 00:46.50 | alaqsory | but i am using it in my work so there are some programes wich i must use it in my home :-( |
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| 00:47.14 | sleon | alaqsory: i mean, do you know how you are supposed to convert xml for po |
| 00:47.17 | sleon | what why |
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| 00:47.42 | sleon | and which information is used in xml/po files, and where it is used? |
| 00:47.46 | IamSOG | what's a paster bot? oh wait, the debian paste web page |
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| 00:47.50 | alaqsory | i will search on the internet |
| 00:48.20 | sleon | alaqsory: i think that a person who gave you an xml file to translate, should know about it |
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| 00:48.52 | alaqsory | sleon: http://weblogs.goshaky.com/weblogs/lars/entry/translating_docbook_documents |
| 00:48.54 | sleon | alaqsory: also there should be sort of documentaion on HOW to transalte |
| 00:49.13 | sleon | alaqsory: tinyurl please |
| 00:49.16 | sleon | alaqsory: tinyurl.com |
| 00:49.34 | sleon | alaqsory: i am on a terminal right now without any mouse |
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| 00:50.45 | dmoerner | sleon, http://u.nu/6998 |
| 00:50.45 | owen1 | cat /proc/cpuinfo shows processor 0 and 1, each one 2.6GHz does it means i have dual core? |
| 00:50.59 | jvogel | hi |
| 00:51.05 | jvogel | does debain use /etc/rc.conf at all? |
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| 00:51.23 | NiLon | owen1 no |
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| 00:52.12 | pekuja | is there a way to remove all the packages installed by a previous aptitude build-dep <package> ? |
| 00:52.30 | owen1 | NiLon: interesting. thanks |
| 00:52.30 | sleon | alaqsory: is this arcle ok for you? |
| 00:52.37 | sleon | alaqsory: or is it too technical? |
| 00:52.49 | alaqsory | i am reading it |
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| 00:53.08 | alaqsory | but i do not what is cvs |
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| 00:53.22 | sleon | dmoerner: thx |
| 00:54.14 | sleon | alaqsory: there is a package for debian it is called poxml |
| 00:54.26 | sleon | alaqsory: you should be able to convert with it |
| 00:54.28 | NiLon | owen1 but I assume that you have intel processor |
| 00:54.46 | owen1 | NiLon: true |
| 00:54.54 | alaqsory | have u an explain to it |
| 00:55.00 | sleon | alaqsory: apt-get install poxml poedit |
| 00:55.13 | alaqsory | i have virtaal |
| 00:55.23 | alaqsory | it is nice program |
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| 00:55.34 | NiLon | owen1 some of intel chips do show as there is 2 cores but in reality there is just one |
| 00:55.35 | alaqsory | easy one |
| 00:55.49 | NiLon | owen1 atom is one example of this |
| 00:56.01 | sleon | alaqsory: nice |
| 00:56.08 | sleon | alaqsory: so install poxml |
| 00:56.16 | sleon | alaqsory: then you get a programm called xml2pot |
| 00:56.22 | sleon | alaqsory: do: xml2pot somefile.xml |
| 00:56.36 | alaqsory | sleon: i will do |
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| 00:56.49 | alaqsory | it is an easy way |
| 00:56.52 | sleon | alaqsory: this gives you an po template file, you can open with you programm this file and create a po file . |
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| 00:57.13 | alaqsory | sleon: and how to back it to xml |
| 00:57.36 | sleon | alaqsory: then po2xml original.xml somepofile.po create an xml file |
| 00:58.24 | sleon | alaqsory: at best do : po2xml orogian.xml translatedpofile.po > newfile.xml |
| 00:58.47 | sleon | alaqsory: ok ? |
| 00:58.50 | alaqsory | i do not know how to thank u, u r very useful member |
| 00:58.52 | alaqsory | ok |
| 00:58.57 | alaqsory | :) |
| 00:58.59 | sleon | alaqsory: np :) |
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| 00:59.14 | sleon | alaqsory: member .. hmmm i have very strange associations with it |
| 00:59.17 | sleon | :) |
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| 00:59.28 | sleon | alaqsory: but you are welcome :) |
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| 01:26.59 | Akuw | i have problems to remove mysql-server5.0 |
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| 01:27.32 | Akuw | when i try to do using synaptic i got an error with that package |
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| 01:30.31 | Akuw | E: mysql-server-5.0: el subproceso pre-removal script devolvió el código de salida de error 1 |
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| 01:31.29 | jpinx | !tell Akuw about es |
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| 01:33.15 | jpinx | anyone know how to set up jabber in lenny? |
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| 01:42.25 | Akuw | i just kill mysqld |
| 01:42.41 | Akuw | later aptitude remove mysql-server-5.0 |
| 01:42.52 | Akuw | the aptitude install mysql-server-5.0 |
| 01:43.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | murderer, murderer! |
| 01:43.50 | Akuw | hehehehe |
| 01:44.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | laughing madman, too! |
| 01:44.04 | Akuw | serial murder --- killall |
| 01:44.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | bet you had a helper... |
| 01:44.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, you're insane |
| 01:44.33 | dpkg | HAHAHAAHAHHAA, INSANE... THEY SAID I AM INSANE HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 BUT I WILL SHOW THEM!!!!!11 |
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| 01:46.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's that error in English |
| 01:46.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I get lost... well, after script, I guess |
| 01:46.44 | Akuw | i want to configure one server as backup of another one |
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| 01:46.51 | Akuw | like mirror |
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| 01:47.02 | jpinx | Akuw: aptitude remove doesn't cut it |
| 01:47.16 | jpinx | Akuw: you need aptitude purge |
| 01:47.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | not if the post-removal script burps |
| 01:47.34 | Akuw | no man |
| 01:47.40 | Akuw | i solved my problem |
| 01:47.44 | Akuw | is ready to run |
| 01:47.49 | Akuw | thanks |
| 01:47.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | start the server before removal? |
| 01:49.34 | \amethyst | Akuw: re having one server be a backup of another : http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication.html |
| 01:49.45 | Akuw | no |
| 01:50.03 | Akuw | i need the backup server backup filesystem too |
| 01:51.02 | \amethyst | Akuw: ah, I thought you mean just database backup |
| 01:51.33 | Akuw | no, all |
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| 01:51.56 | Akuw | i would liek all in one server is in another server, but if i delete a file in server one? |
| 01:52.22 | tgr | hi i was wondering if there is a problem with installing ubuntu debs on debian i had to install debian lxde to test it and it is working a lot faster than ubuntu was |
| 01:52.40 | tgr | i need a skype amd64 package with dependencies fulfilled |
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| 01:53.43 | penol | enomalism2 depends on libxen3.1-dev; however: |
| 01:53.48 | penol | where to find that package ? |
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| 01:54.27 | jpinx | tgr - see skype.com |
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| 01:54.50 | \amethyst | that's an ubuntu package... Debian has libxen-dev, which is 3.2 |
| 01:54.57 | jpinx | judd: versions libxen |
| 01:54.57 | judd | jpinx: libxen -- |
| 01:54.59 | tgr | when you click debian etch it is i386 i have lenny amd64 |
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| 01:55.33 | penol | \amethyst: but enomalism2 depends on libxen3.1-dev |
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| 01:55.48 | \amethyst | penol: so see if you can use or backport the ubuntu package |
| 01:56.19 | penol | \amethyst: hmm, how ? |
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| 01:56.48 | tgr | i am new to debian and setting lxde is there a place a ubuntu user can learn the basics? |
| 01:56.48 | skypce | hi friends, how can i install gdebi in lenny? i was installing gdebi. for graphical mode it recommend gdebi-gtk , i cannot found this package , helpme please |
| 01:57.01 | \amethyst | penol: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/libxen3.1 |
| 01:57.11 | \amethyst | penol: it looks like those dependencies are satisfied in lenny and up |
| 01:57.22 | tgr | skypce, i think i should get to know you better i am looking for to install skype and gdebi |
| 01:57.43 | \amethyst | penol: so you should be able to get the .deb from your architecture from the "Download libxen3.1" section of the page and install it with dpkg -i |
| 01:57.47 | jpinx | skypce: look at skype.com |
| 01:58.18 | jpinx | skypce: and aptitude install gdebi will work |
| 01:58.20 | skypce | thank you but i only want install gdebi |
| 01:58.36 | \amethyst | skypce: the GUI package is 'gdebi' |
| 01:58.47 | skypce | when i write in console gdebi it run on console mode |
| 01:59.01 | skypce | it show the options |
| 01:59.11 | skypce | but dont run in graphical mode |
| 01:59.37 | skypce | mm |
| 01:59.38 | skypce | jeje |
| 01:59.58 | skypce | now works gdebi-gtk |
| 02:00.01 | skypce | sorry |
| 02:00.05 | skypce | jeje thank you anyway |
| 02:00.17 | penol | \amethyst: http://pastebin.no/130245 |
| 02:00.32 | tgr | http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 02:00.59 | \amethyst | penol: okay, so it looks like it's not compatible with debian |
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| 02:01.58 | penol | \amethyst: what to do then ? i need the package for Enomalism2 |
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| 02:02.40 | \amethyst | penol: you might be able to use equivs to build a fake libxen3.1-dev dependency package |
| 02:02.50 | \amethyst | penol: or get the source for the package and try to rebuild it |
| 02:03.22 | penol | \amethyst: can you tell me how to to the first alternative u gave me ? |
| 02:03.23 | \amethyst | for enomalism2 I mean |
| 02:03.47 | penol | *do |
| 02:03.57 | \amethyst | penol: it's not trivial; install the package equivs and read its documentation |
| 02:04.12 | \amethyst | penol: or ask the people who provided this package to make a debian version |
| 02:07.06 | \amethyst | penol: someone filed a bug report http://src.enomaly.com/ticket/123 |
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| 02:09.46 | penol | \amethyst: how to i change the name of the package to libxen-dev? |
| 02:10.02 | penol | so its not libxen3.1 |
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| 02:11.57 | lszyba1 | hello, does anybody know how to decompress a gz file without deleting the original gz? I've tried gunzip packages.gz but it keeps deleting the gz file...?? |
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| 02:12.03 | jony123 | can debain be configured to run on a 350mhz p2 128mb ram with a desktop enviroment |
| 02:12.24 | \amethyst | penol: you can extract the .deb, edit the control file, and repack it with dpkg-repack |
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| 02:12.49 | \amethyst | penol: the one for enormalism2 that is |
| 02:13.21 | penol | \amethyst: Seriusly am a total noob, can u please tell me how to? |
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| 02:21.08 | \amethyst | penol: 1. mkdir work/DEBIAN; dpkg -x enomalism2-2.2.3.deb work; dpkg -e enomalism2-2.2.3.deb work/DEBIAN |
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| 02:21.28 | martin3z | term |
| 02:21.39 | \amethyst | penol: that will make the directory 'work' and unpack the archive into it, putting the control files in work/DEBIAN |
| 02:21.46 | lszyba1 | the only way I can make this work is via gunzip -c somefile.gz > somefile but if I don't know the file name that is in the zip file then ...... |
| 02:21.48 | \amethyst | penol: capitalization is important |
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| 02:22.32 | \amethyst | penol: then edit the file work/DEBIAN/control and change the Depends: line |
| 02:23.12 | \amethyst | penol: you probably also want to change the version to something like 2.2.3-1lenny to identify this as a patched version |
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| 02:24.16 | \amethyst | penol: then use dpkg -b work enomalism2-2.2.3-1lenny.deb to create the .deb file with the changed information |
| 02:24.16 | JNSamuel | way to highlight, \amethyst |
| 02:24.16 | JNSamuel | :) |
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| 02:24.45 | \amethyst | penol: no guarantee the resulting package will work... it might specifically depend on the older version of xen |
| 02:24.58 | \amethyst | or it might need to be relinked against different libraries |
| 02:25.02 | \amethyst | but it might be worth a shot |
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| 02:28.12 | tgr | can someone please tell me how to change the colors in lxde in the control panel and also the mouse |
| 02:28.44 | jmd | How can I inspect the dependency tree of a package? |
| 02:28.52 | \amethyst | jmd: apt-rdepends |
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| 02:29.27 | jmd | bash: apt-rdepends: command not found |
| 02:29.45 | \amethyst | jmd: it's in a package of the same name |
| 02:29.55 | \amethyst | jmd: or you can use the aptitude full-screen UI |
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| 02:30.18 | \amethyst | jmd: though it might be somewhat inconvenient for your purposes |
| 02:30.47 | jmd | Currently I'm trying to reduce the number of installed packages, not increase them. |
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| 02:33.25 | \amethyst | jmd: it's 94k, plus 311k if you don't already have libapt-pkg-perl |
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| 02:34.36 | jpinx | jmd: are you struggling for HDD space? |
| 02:35.01 | jmd | jpinx, Not yet. |
| 02:35.22 | jmd | \amethyst, apt-rdepends doesn't appear to agree with apt-get install |
| 02:35.28 | intx | what can I use to benchmark my disk based on cluster sizes so I can find out what's the optimal cluster size for my SSD? |
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| 02:35.56 | jpinx | jmd: consider running aptitude clean and maybe installing and running localespurge |
| 02:36.17 | jmd | jpinx, I don't have any locales |
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| 02:36.42 | jpinx | jmd: there's also deborphan |
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| 02:37.47 | jmd | Anyway it's bizarre that spamassassin depends (indirectly) upon gcc and libc-dev |
| 02:38.28 | jmd | I wish I could find out through which path, so that I can file a bug. |
| 02:38.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | deborphan+debfoster |
| 02:38.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | they might depend via recommends |
| 02:38.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | still weird |
| 02:39.57 | jmd | It seems to be a hard dependency, not a recommended one. |
| 02:40.39 | jmd | - at least apt-get install wants to install it. |
| 02:41.16 | \amethyst | apt-get installs recommended packages by default these days |
| 02:41.35 | jmd | \amethyst, I didn't realise that. How can I turn it off? |
| 02:41.39 | lostson | really it doesnt on mine |
| 02:41.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | lostson, well it does ;) |
| 02:42.01 | lostson | hmm i should watch more closely next time |
| 02:42.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | i dont have the config string to disable it handy sorry |
| 02:42.34 | \amethyst | jmd: apt-get --no-install-recommends |
| 02:42.52 | lostson | when i run apt-get it tells me what it reccommends but doesnt seem to install it |
| 02:42.59 | lostson | unless it does it without telling me |
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| 02:43.53 | \amethyst | jmd: APT { Install-Recommends "false"; }; in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/15recommends |
| 02:44.12 | \amethyst | jmd: to turn it off by default |
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| 02:45.16 | \amethyst | jmd: it seems spamassassin recommends gcc and make directly. I have no idea why |
| 02:46.17 | jmd | And libc6-dev ? |
| 02:46.25 | \amethyst | jmd: aha, because of sa-compile |
| 02:46.46 | \amethyst | jmd: that too |
| 02:47.07 | \amethyst | jmd: the recommends is because sa-compile needs all that machinery to work |
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| 02:47.22 | jmd | I've no idea what sa-compile is. |
| 02:47.30 | \amethyst | man sa-compile :) |
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| 02:47.38 | \amethyst | "compile SpamAssassin ruleset into native code" |
| 02:48.16 | jmd | Sounds like a bad idea to me. |
| 02:48.34 | \amethyst | jmd: depends on how much spam checking you're doing :) |
| 02:50.51 | jmd | Even then, one wouldn't normally want to put a compiler on the mailserver machine. One would compile it and install the binary on the mailserver. |
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| 03:13.58 | johnf | Can anyone point me at documentation regarding using vcs version in the package version. ie should I use ~git or +git and is that after or before the -1 ? |
| 03:15.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
| 03:15.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you mean like... apt-get install libwine=0.9.25-2.1 |
| 03:17.29 | johnf | no I'm packaing up some beta software pre-release and I'll be using a git revision. So should me version string be 0.0.2+git20090530-1 or 0.0.2~git20090530-1 or 0.0.2-1+git20090530 or 0.0.2-1~git20090530 |
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| 03:17.56 | johnf | s/me/the/ |
| 03:18.26 | squisher | i.e. mplayer has 1.0~rc3+svn20090405-1 |
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| 03:19.24 | johnf | yeah there seems to be a mix of all my alternatives across packages |
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| 03:21.35 | DaemonTCP | ....... |
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| 03:21.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | make your pick :) |
| 03:21.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | nice idiot |
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| 03:23.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a bts for the debian-multimedia stuff? |
| 03:24.11 | octoserver | dude, your name rocks lol |
| 03:24.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | mine? |
| 03:24.28 | octoserver | funny shiznot |
| 03:24.36 | squisher | CutMeOwnThroat, I have asked myself that same question recently... I don't think so, but I'm not sure |
| 03:24.37 | octoserver | yea lol |
| 03:24.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell octoserver about dibbler |
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| 03:26.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | squisher, I think I'm seeing this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/fink/+source/mplayer/+bug/82988 , but with pngs instead of jpgs (on another place it went away for s.o. switching from jpg->png) |
| 03:26.54 | octoserver | Claude Maximillian Overton Transpire hahah i like wiki |
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| 03:27.53 | squisher | CutMeOwnThroat, report it upstream? |
| 03:28.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | squisher, still googling... |
| 03:28.56 | squisher | hmm, can't quite figure out how the ubuntu version is related to the one in deb-mm |
| 03:29.25 | octoserver | CutMeOwnThroat: you must be a nice guy who helps people ? ;) |
| 03:29.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | only if I'm not busy cutting me own throat |
| 03:29.59 | octoserver | I know youve helped me enough ;) |
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| 03:30.11 | octoserver | im outy, night all |
| 03:30.17 | squisher | CutMeOwnThroat, google doesn't seem to know about a bugtracker, too bad |
| 03:30.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | squisher, this would be a nice moment to check the bts instead of googld |
| 03:30.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/d$/e/ |
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| 03:31.05 | squisher | I had trouble finding the link for the upstream bugtracker too, but if I recall correctly it is bugzilla.mplayerhq.hu |
| 03:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
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| 03:32.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | stupid me, at least one error comes from the pngs - you have to use convert -depth 8 when using imagemagick |
| 03:34.58 | jvogel | Hi - After resuming from suspend (s2ram -f) my wireless seems to get all screwy (using gnome network manager) |
| 03:35.21 | jvogel | It tries to connect to where it was (WPA encryption) but prompts me for the key... i enter it and it just sits there and prompts again |
| 03:36.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | is not wise enough to understand the mysteries of gnome ... he suggests doing without |
| 03:36.41 | jvogel | You suggest another network manager? I don't run gnome.. |
| 03:37.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just edit /etc/network/interfaces and add all the interfaces I want |
| 03:37.17 | squisher | jvogel, there is another one... can't recall the name right now |
| 03:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, that means storing the password somewhere or configuring a prompter |
| 03:37.24 | jvogel | You connect to WPA encrypted APs via the cmd line? |
| 03:37.53 | squisher | jvogel, ah, found it: wicd |
| 03:37.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | the need didn't arise yet :) but to some wep-encrpted and free ones |
| 03:38.08 | jvogel | Well all I know is that's a PITA |
| 03:38.13 | jvogel | I'd prefer |
| 03:38.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, maybe |
| 03:38.20 | jvogel | cli but sometimes you can't get that |
| 03:38.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I run this one http://xkcd.com/416/ |
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| 03:39.03 | jvogel | ill try to remove gnome network manager |
| 03:39.09 | jvogel | and then ill isntall that and see if it works |
| 03:39.13 | jarick | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes? |
| 03:39.15 | jvogel | which i doubt it will be better than gnome but we'll see :p |
| 03:39.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | jarick, ^^^^: <CutMeOwnThroat> stupid me, at least one error comes from the pngs - you have to use convert -depth 8 when using imagemagick |
| 03:39.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | mencoder doesn't take 16-bit depth images... |
| 03:40.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno why it encodes 100 or so before segfaulting to tell me so, though |
| 03:40.11 | squisher | heh |
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| 03:40.35 | jvogel | i may use the KDE one |
| 03:41.08 | jarick | CutMeOwnThroat: Ah. |
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| 03:42.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that were the "missing frames", I think ... 16-bit == invalid, i.e. "no picture" and so the frame "goes missing" |
| 03:42.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't this obvious? |
| 03:42.41 | jarick | Ahhh. |
| 03:43.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | how stupid of me to assume the error could be something cryptic like "cannot read 16-bit depth images, please convert to 8-bit" |
| 03:44.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... if I convert to -depth 8, the missing frames go away |
| 03:44.43 | simonrvn | that's so fucking cryptic |
| 03:45.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... good that it was a clear SEGV |
| 03:45.45 | simonrvn | oh yeh, wonderful innit |
| 03:46.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | pure bliss |
| 03:46.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing half an hour of googling can't fix :) |
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| 04:02.50 | intx | how do I measure cluster speed in linux? (e.g. 1k 2k 4k 8k 16k 32k) |
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| 04:06.45 | balaa | hi all, anyone know how the command line utility that will tell me my ipaddress that I am sshed in from, who --ips is still showing hostname |
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| 04:08.48 | balaa | who, w, minus something... |
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| 04:37.33 | omid8bimo | hey ppl |
| 04:37.42 | omid8bimo | i have a minor issue |
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| 04:38.21 | sighK | hello everyone |
| 04:38.28 | omid8bimo | i'm updated a library which i don't know what was it and now, my mouse touch pad on my laptop don't recognize tabing on it as a click |
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| 04:38.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | balaa, 'w'? |
| 04:38.56 | sighK | where can i submit ideas for debian |
| 04:39.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you already said that :) |
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| 04:39.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | balaa, "w |grep $USER"? |
| 04:39.31 | NiLon | sighK whatkind "ideas" |
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| 04:39.54 | sighK | something to add to debian |
| 04:39.58 | sighK | its not made yet |
| 04:40.03 | NiLon | like what? |
| 04:40.06 | sighK | but i think it would give debian alot of power |
| 04:40.13 | omid8bimo | i've insalled xserver-input-synaptic touchpad driver again but still when press on touchpad to do single click it won't |
| 04:40.15 | sighK | take a web browser, open source |
| 04:40.21 | sighK | take out all protocol handlers |
| 04:40.24 | sighK | except for file |
| 04:40.27 | sighK | add a newone called exec |
| 04:40.35 | sighK | remove address bar and file menu |
| 04:40.47 | sighK | it will have no network connectivity |
| 04:40.56 | sighK | it will simply execute commands as if a terminal |
| 04:40.59 | sighK | and render as html |
| 04:41.00 | sighK | css |
| 04:41.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | omid8bimo, /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 04:41.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | omid8bimo, and /msg dpkg bts |
| 04:41.20 | sighK | so you can dynamically made <a href="exec:mycommand args"> |
| 04:41.25 | NiLon | sighK that's not something that debian should be adding, you can make that on your own |
| 04:41.33 | NiLon | just take like firefox engine and do that |
| 04:41.35 | omid8bimo | CutMeOwnThroat: what this will do? |
| 04:41.45 | sighK | a html rendering terminal |
| 04:41.51 | Gokee2 | Hello all, I am using Debian Squeeze on 64 bit. I installed electric and it won`t start. It says "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Can't load library: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/ext/libjava-access-bridge-jni.so" anyone know whats wrong? |
| 04:41.54 | sighK | so you can rapidly create applications |
| 04:42.01 | sighK | without knowing anything except html |
| 04:42.06 | sighK | and a little shell scripting |
| 04:42.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | omid8bimo, 1st one is a logfile you should log into... and 2nd one... dpkg is a bot, you can /msg it |
| 04:42.12 | sighK | no need to learn any widgets |
| 04:42.50 | NiLon | sighK again, that is more like software request, and you are in wrong channel |
| 04:43.17 | sighK | what channel |
| 04:43.19 | sighK | should i try |
| 04:43.28 | omid8bimo | CutMeOwnThroat: it's like 1000 of pkg in that log, how can i know which one did this to my mouse touchpad ! |
| 04:43.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | sighK, he's right, that's not how it traditionally works - make a project, put it on sourceforge or something - then, when you got it working, you can file an ITP, make a debian package from it // get a mentor and get it into debian |
| 04:43.44 | NiLon | sighK channel where is developers mainly that is |
| 04:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | omid8bimo, one of the last ones if you didn't do a full upgrade |
| 04:44.13 | omid8bimo | is there nay way to kinda activate an option or something to make mouse touchpad work when i tab on it? |
| 04:44.15 | NiLon | sighK but as tip, firefox can do all that already basically, you just need to modificate it little bit |
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| 04:44.38 | omid8bimo | CutMeOwnThroat: actually i've updated like 200 pkgs |
| 04:44.40 | sighK | yeah i already made a script for firefox |
| 04:44.43 | sighK | although its unsafe |
| 04:44.51 | sighK | as anyone can have a like to exec |
| 04:44.56 | sighK | and run things on your comp |
| 04:44.57 | NiLon | sighK and with modifications that means stripping features and adding new handler for a-tag |
| 04:45.37 | NiLon | sighK no if you don't include other than file handler |
| 04:46.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | omid8bimo, well, I couldn't know that, could I? |
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| 04:46.22 | NiLon | sighK but then again, I don't see benefit to have thiskind system really |
| 04:46.34 | omid8bimo | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah i know |
| 04:46.40 | sighK | create system scripts |
| 04:46.42 | sighK | with html |
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| 04:47.07 | NiLon | sighK html is crap for that |
| 04:47.19 | NiLon | you don't have variables, loops, conditions and so on |
| 04:47.29 | NiLon | basically you can't do a shit with html |
| 04:47.31 | sighK | you do if the script is executed like a terminal |
| 04:47.42 | sighK | and the output of the script if rendered as html |
| 04:47.50 | sighK | the links would have exec |
| 04:47.51 | sighK | args |
| 04:48.01 | sighK | <a href="exec:myscript arguments"> |
| 04:48.20 | \amethyst | what links? where are these links coming from? |
| 04:48.25 | NiLon | why you just don't write like php app to do that :) |
| 04:48.32 | sighK | would be the exec handler created for it |
| 04:48.40 | sighK | remove all protocol handlers except for file |
| 04:48.44 | sighK | and add a newone called exec |
| 04:48.47 | NiLon | <a href="exec.php?myscript%20arguments"> |
| 04:48.48 | NiLon | :p |
| 04:48.50 | sighK | so when exec is called |
| 04:49.21 | NiLon | but I have hard time to figure out why would anyone need this |
| 04:49.21 | sighK | no php |
| 04:49.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gokee2, the file /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/ext/libjava-access-bridge-jni.so is missing? |
| 04:49.32 | sighK | no web server |
| 04:49.32 | sighK | not over network |
| 04:49.35 | sighK | on local computer |
| 04:49.40 | sighK | like gnome-terminal |
| 04:49.49 | sighK | that renders the commandline output as html |
| 04:49.56 | NiLon | sighK you can make that app only work on localhost yes |
| 04:49.59 | NiLon | so it won't matter |
| 04:50.17 | NiLon | how you render commandline output as html |
| 04:50.28 | NiLon | how you know difference between "foo" and "bar" |
| 04:50.31 | sighK | your script could have |
| 04:50.39 | sighK | ls|while readline; do |
| 04:50.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gokee2, the electric package that I see in Debian doesn' seem to have anything with Java, though... are you talking of something else? |
| 04:50.48 | NiLon | so your script requires to output html? |
| 04:50.55 | NiLon | or program or whatever |
| 04:51.10 | sighK | printf "<a href="exec:myscript $line">$line</a>"; |
| 04:51.12 | sighK | done |
| 04:51.17 | sighK | yeah |
| 04:51.33 | sighK | i'm sure you could do cool stuff with image magic |
| 04:51.36 | Gokee2 | CutMeOwnThroat, Yes the file is missing and it is the package in debian |
| 04:51.42 | NiLon | I don't see reason why for example php/python/perl isn't enough for this task |
| 04:51.48 | NiLon | because it's not that complicated afterall |
| 04:52.01 | Gokee2 | CutMeOwnThroat, http://packages.debian.org/testing/electronics/electric |
| 04:52.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, can't you just use apt-get build-dep <somepackage>? |
| 04:52.24 | Gokee2 | CutMeOwnThroat, It lists openjdk-6-jre as a dependency |
| 04:53.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh, indeed |
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| 04:53.33 | NiLon | sighK if you don't know anyone willing to write thiskind program (and you certainly aren't programmer yourself) you are kind of doomed :p |
| 04:53.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gokee2, I already did apt-file search libjava-access-bridge-jni.so - it's not in any package I have access to |
| 04:54.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions electric |
| 04:54.12 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: electric -- etch: 6.05-3 sid: 8.07-2 sid: 8.08-1 squeeze: 8.08-1 |
| 04:54.23 | sighK | i have it partly finished |
| 04:54.25 | NiLon | sighK using simple php/.. script you could manage to get same result without doing heavy modifications to existing engine or writing html render |
| 04:54.36 | sighK | i already have the exec network.protocol-handler finished |
| 04:54.37 | Gokee2 | is using 8.08-1 |
| 04:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, interesting, not in lenny, wonder why |
| 04:54.44 | sighK | just need to strip out items in gui |
| 04:55.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, judd is listing two versions for sid, how weird |
| 04:55.09 | Gokee2 | CutMeOwnThroat, THat is rather odd... |
| 04:55.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gokee2, I can run the squeeze one on lenny without problems |
| 04:56.02 | sighK | NiLon i dont want the need for apache for some other web server |
| 04:56.06 | Gokee2 | CutMeOwnThroat, Really? Thats rather odd... |
| 04:56.17 | sighK | i am going to have the file extention open the app to run the original script |
| 04:56.24 | sighK | or what ever script you want |
| 04:56.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and it's the same package for sid and squeeze |
| 04:56.32 | NiLon | sighK well basically you don't need webserver |
| 04:56.51 | sighK | dont wana use netcat |
| 04:57.02 | NiLon | you don't need netcat :p |
| 04:57.06 | sighK | dont want to create a network socket to connect to with perl,php |
| 04:57.12 | sighK | dont wana use /dev/tcp |
| 04:57.27 | sighK | ive made a perl shell |
| 04:57.33 | sighK | using qx[] |
| 04:57.37 | NiLon | now you are just stupid |
| 04:57.52 | sighK | why is that |
| 04:58.16 | NiLon | "I don't wanna use anything that could help me, but I wanna something totally absurd" |
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| 04:58.29 | \amethyst | what's the perl for? |
| 04:58.31 | sighK | if i create an open socket |
| 04:58.37 | sighK | it could create a vulerability |
| 04:58.40 | NiLon | dude you can bind ip to it |
| 04:58.50 | sighK | someone else could connect to it right before firefox connects |
| 04:58.51 | NiLon | so what you are saying is false |
| 04:59.07 | \amethyst | you're making a web browser that executes programs when you click on a link? |
| 04:59.18 | sighK | yes |
| 04:59.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.22 | \amethyst | ... |
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| 04:59.25 | sighK | without network connectivity |
| 04:59.31 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 04:59.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's making a file manager out of it |
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| 05:00.03 | NiLon | sighK really, you just need little bit code to make this work, I'm speaking like max 4 lines |
| 05:00.15 | NiLon | if you wanna strip software around it, you need more |
| 05:00.43 | NiLon | for example you need webserver, you can get one that is already made or write one, it's not that hard to handle simple requests |
| 05:00.55 | NiLon | then you need firefox addon like https://addons.mozilla.org/fi/firefox/addon/1659 |
| 05:00.59 | NiLon | do disable menus like you wanted |
| 05:01.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gokee2, and actually nothing -jni is loaded *ever* |
| 05:01.28 | NiLon | third step is to write small program that will execute your stuff and return output |
| 05:01.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, dots :( |
| 05:01.48 | NiLon | and you bind this all to localhost, so only you can use it |
| 05:02.01 | Gokee2 | CutMeOwnThroat, I don`t see any bugs for java-access-bridge in Debian however the Ubuntu people found a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/java-access-bridge/+bug/375347 and libaccess-bridge-java is marked rchitecture: all |
| 05:02.17 | \amethyst | you can't assume that localhost = only you |
| 05:02.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | not? |
| 05:02.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | who else? |
| 05:02.41 | \amethyst | another user on the same machine |
| 05:02.44 | \amethyst | this is unix |
| 05:02.50 | Gokee2 | Architecture: all* |
| 05:02.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | but... all other users are also "me" |
| 05:03.07 | NiLon | \amethyst it doesn't matter really |
| 05:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | it actually does, as it means that your browsing isn't multiuser-safe |
| 05:03.43 | \amethyst | If I'm running a daemon listening to connections on localhost without authentication and executing random code, I care |
| 05:03.55 | NiLon | CutMeOwnThroat "multiuser-safe" wtf |
| 05:04.06 | NiLon | user can execute commands that he could execute by typing em to console |
| 05:04.10 | NiLon | so that makes it unsecure? |
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| 05:04.26 | sighK | you sugjest that it binds to localhost |
| 05:04.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | NiLon, yes, if it's the *other* user doing it... |
| 05:04.28 | \amethyst | NiLon: have you never used a multi-user machine? |
| 05:04.30 | NiLon | think now little bit |
| 05:04.34 | sighK | another user on localhost could read the tcp socket |
| 05:04.36 | \amethyst | NiLon: like with people sshing in |
| 05:04.37 | sighK | from localhost |
| 05:04.44 | sighK | as we are both on localhost |
| 05:04.53 | NiLon | \amethyst so what |
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| 05:05.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | NiLon, so it's a mess? |
| 05:05.23 | \amethyst | so i don't want those people sshing in to be running arbitrary commands as me |
| 05:05.24 | NiLon | it's not mess |
| 05:05.33 | NiLon | user can execute commands that he could execute without it |
| 05:05.44 | NiLon | not more or less |
| 05:05.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | we're not even (just) talking about exploits, but just about two users running it at the same time |
| 05:05.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | or trying to |
| 05:05.49 | \amethyst | NiLon: err, no, Unix has multi-user security |
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| 05:06.04 | Gokee2 | Ah well, I guess I won`t play with electric, too much work to make it work |
| 05:06.05 | \amethyst | NiLon: normally, if I give someone an account on my computer, they can't delete my files |
| 05:06.22 | NiLon | \amethyst I know what I'm talking about really |
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| 05:07.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gokee2, mine loads /usr/share/java/gnome-java-bridge.jar", as you could see |
| 05:07.32 | NiLon | CutMeOwnThroat and it won't matter if n+1 users are executing it same time |
| 05:07.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, even without malicious users, you can get a lot of breakage if the process doesn't die properly |
| 05:08.00 | NiLon | they can do what they can do without it, I don't see problem here |
| 05:08.24 | \amethyst | NiLon: if I give you an account on my machine, how would you delete my home directory? |
| 05:08.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | they couldn't do it with the uid of another user |
| 05:08.29 | NiLon | but we are talking now about "it" so it's kind of stupid |
| 05:08.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the things they probably want to do they cannot do with the uid of the other user either |
| 05:08.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ----> mess |
| 05:09.00 | NiLon | \amethyst with rm? |
| 05:09.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* |
| 05:09.17 | \amethyst | NiLon: it would say Permission denied |
| 05:09.19 | sighK | they couldnt run apps |
| 05:09.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | "!tell NiLon -about grounding" |
| 05:09.27 | sighK | if i did what you said and use a localhost bind |
| 05:09.33 | sighK | they could connect to the tcp socket |
| 05:09.43 | sighK | which is why it needs to be a se4lf contained app |
| 05:09.53 | NiLon | sighK hell, if they do that you don't even need that webserver |
| 05:09.55 | sighK | where it just renders the output of the command without network sockets |
| 05:09.58 | NiLon | it will make your life only easier |
| 05:10.31 | NiLon | more your users "exploit", less you need to write api to give them that same stuff |
| 05:10.39 | NiLon | win-win |
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| 05:13.00 | sighK | what would another user exploit |
| 05:13.07 | sighK | if its rendered without tcp sockets |
| 05:13.10 | NiLon | sighK well you could also make sock file instead or pipe and so on |
| 05:13.33 | sighK | yeah, the web browser needs to know how to connect to it |
| 05:13.43 | sighK | so its back to a special protocol handler |
| 05:13.52 | NiLon | but that removes windows from list |
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| 05:14.34 | sighK | basically, have to modify curl.c in the firefox source |
| 05:14.35 | NiLon | you can make your own handler for firefox |
| 05:14.39 | NiLon | without modying it |
| 05:14.55 | sighK | and yse popen data into the same buffer that the request for http is made |
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| 05:18.43 | NiLon | actually if you add your own uri handler for firefox it will work only as local and you don't need sockets |
| 05:19.00 | NiLon | and won't require you to modify source of firefox |
| 05:19.40 | sighK | network,protocol-handler |
| 05:19.44 | sighK | works funny |
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| 05:20.07 | sighK | it seems to always open an empty tab and render the source on the one you ran it from |
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| 05:24.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, sending bash-for loops in the background with ctrl-z seems to be a bad idea |
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| 05:26.12 | ootput | then don't!! |
| 05:27.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | why didn't you tell me before I did it the 1st time? |
| 05:27.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | now I gotta redo them |
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| 05:27.49 | jmd | Every time I type "kill -9 $$" I get logged out. |
| 05:28.33 | ootput | CutMeOwnThroat: had I known beforehand... |
| 05:28.34 | \amethyst | jmd: and what do you expect to happen? |
| 05:29.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird that, eh? |
| 05:29.29 | \amethyst | jmd: run bash then at the new prompt type kill -9 $$ |
| 05:29.40 | \amethyst | jmd: then you won't be logged out |
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| 05:30.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders why someone would come up with the idea to type "kill -9 $$" and THEN wonder what it does |
| 05:31.20 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: btw, if you want to be able to send a loop into the background, wrap it in () |
| 05:31.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | kind of like eating the mushroom, then wondering if it was poisonous |
| 05:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, for ...; ...; done & worked fine as well |
| 05:32.10 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah |
| 05:32.18 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: (for x in *; do vi "$x"; done) doesn't mess up when you suspend vi the way the plain loop does |
| 05:33.40 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: if you append a & that causes it to run in a subshell (the same thing () does), likewise fixing the problem |
| 05:34.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 05:34.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | but then, if I had *known* I want to put it to the background, I'd not have had to do ctrl-z |
| 05:35.05 | \amethyst | heh |
| 05:35.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | so that point is kinda moot |
| 05:35.42 | \amethyst | you could make it a habit to put parentheses around every long-running loop you type into an interactive shell |
| 05:35.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | bleh |
| 05:35.51 | \amethyst | :) |
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| 05:36.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | or "don't send loops into the background, but open yax" |
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| 05:41.20 | wooj | stabs timidity in the face |
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| 06:12.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, {1..50,100..150} what's it instead of the ','? |
| 06:13.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... {1..50} {100..150}, I guess |
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| 06:19.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed :) |
| 06:20.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | is there somewhere i can look to find out if an arbitary team has an irc channel? i'm after pkg-games-devel, and it made me wonder |
| 06:21.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | or /list ; /lastlog <sumthin> |
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| 06:24.22 | ootput | CutMeOwnThroat: you lack the precog gift |
| 06:24.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm? |
| 06:24.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't! |
| 06:24.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm just tired! |
| 06:24.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | my abilities as a psychic are totally undisputed |
| 06:25.30 | ootput | sorry kiddo, you've got the gift, but it seems that you're waiting for something |
| 06:26.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | salvation? |
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| 06:27.11 | ootput | your next life maybe, who knows? |
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| 06:28.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I'll be reborn as a blade of grass |
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| 06:29.15 | cirzgamanti | what program could i try for keeping a mirrored harddisk up to date? ie, i plug two harddisks in, and the second one should afterwards contain the same file system as the first. |
| 06:29.26 | omid8bimo | guys, i've updated my empathy to 2.26.2 and i don't have yahoo on my list of accounts to create! how can i add it/ |
| 06:29.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzgamanti, rsync? |
| 06:29.39 | cirzgamanti | thx, could'nt remember the name |
| 06:29.51 | cirzgamanti | i was always thinking of rcp... |
| 06:29.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's the other one |
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| 06:30.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzgamanti, is that for backups? |
| 06:30.57 | cirzgamanti | yes, i want to have a backup, in case one of those terabyte monsters fails |
| 06:31.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzgamanti, have a look at rsnapshot or... wossname let me look that up |
| 06:31.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, rdiff-backup |
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| 06:32.06 | \amethyst | if the disks are the same size just do RAID-1 |
| 06:32.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | or even backuppc |
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| 06:32.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, a HD would be a backup if you lock it into a safe... |
| 06:32.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | while a RAID would not |
| 06:33.35 | \amethyst | ah, I thought it sounded like he just wanted to protect against disk failure, not fire :) |
| 06:33.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, I really don't know either what he wants :)) |
| 06:34.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ootput, how old are you, btw |
| 06:34.48 | cirzgamanti | for raid it would be attached to the computer all the time. these are external disks i want to protect against disk failure (and fire :) |
| 06:35.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !win me |
| 06:35.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, cutmeownthroat! You have won the US presidency! |
| 06:35.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hooray! |
| 06:35.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | obama, get orf my seat! |
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| 06:36.46 | spal | My laptop says, it has, 1. Mobile Intel Graphics 2. Media Accelerator X3100. Currently the animation of flightgear (flight simulator) is not very smooth. Can I do something to improve its animation quality? |
| 06:37.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does "glxinfo |grep irect" say? |
| 06:38.40 | spal | CutMeOwnThroat, glxinfo is not installed. installing mesa-utils. |
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| 06:38.58 | omid8bimo | i've updated my empathy to 2.26.2 and i don't have yahoo on my list of accounts to create! how can i add it/ |
| 06:39.47 | spal | CutMeOwnThroat, glxinfo |grep irect |
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| 06:40.06 | spal | CutMeOwnThroat, oops, here is the output: direct rendering: Yes |
| 06:40.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks ok |
| 06:40.49 | spal | the driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf is set as "intel". is that good enough for graphics media acceleration? |
| 06:41.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would guess so ... |
| 06:42.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !intel graphics |
| 06:42.17 | dpkg | i heard intel graphics is 3D acceleration from Intel, open spec. Onboard chips only (sorry, AMD users). See http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-010512.htm |
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| 06:45.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds to me like the best driver is already in the normal kernel |
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| 06:45.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | although your chipset is not mentioned (?) |
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| 06:47.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it's really called Mobile Intel® GM965 |
| 06:49.09 | infinity1 | !lenny |
| 06:49.09 | dpkg | hmm... lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.1>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 06:49.21 | infinity1 | !etch->lenny |
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| 06:51.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell infinity1 -about selftell |
| 06:51.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | spal, perhaps try a newer kernel... sid has up to 2.6.29, afaik |
| 06:51.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions linux-kernel-2.6 |
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| 06:51.40 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: linux-kernel-2.6 -- |
| 06:51.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft |
| 06:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions linux-image-2.6 |
| 06:51.48 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: linux-image-2.6 -- |
| 06:51.57 | spal | CutMeOwnThroat, would newer kernel help? how? |
| 06:52.08 | spal | better drivers for intel? |
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| 06:52.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 06:52.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... nwer intel driver |
| 06:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | or am I thinking muddy |
| 06:53.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess there's a kernel-module for that |
| 06:53.01 | \amethyst | the important part of the driver is in xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 06:53.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 06:53.34 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: linux-image-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 squeeze: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 sid: 2.6.29+19 |
| 06:53.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you think so? |
| 06:54.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | the intel website from the factoid only speaks about the kernel module |
| 06:54.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... it actually mostly speaks about vista |
| 06:54.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's not the point |
| 06:54.52 | peteinlux | hello, could anyone take a look at this command: find mydir -name "*.js" ! -name "minified.js" -path "mydir/lang" -prune -o -print |
| 06:54.58 | peteinlux | what im trying to accomplish is find all *js files with the exclusion of minified.js and files that are under mydir/lang |
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| 06:55.45 | peteinlux | this works: find mydir -name "*.js" ! -name "minified.js" |
| 06:56.23 | peteinlux | but the pah exclusion messes everything |
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| 06:57.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't the ! be escaped? |
| 06:57.53 | peteinlux | CutMeOwnThroat: well i tried also -not which works |
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| 07:00.16 | peteinlux | the first part of the command is good, the problems start at -path |
| 07:00.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | if -not works, why not use that? |
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| 07:02.50 | mjt | btw, ! is special char in bash by default |
| 07:03.20 | mjt | in interactive mode anyway.. Unless `shopt +H' is in effect. |
| 07:03.25 | frankS2 | Hi, i would like to set LANGUAGE to philipines, how can i do this in shell? |
| 07:03.38 | frankS2 | I cant find the ISO for it |
| 07:04.05 | mjt | is "philipines" a language really? |
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| 07:04.26 | mjt | to me it looks like territory, not languag |
| 07:04.27 | mjt | e |
| 07:04.29 | frankS2 | mjt: phillipono |
| 07:04.44 | frankS2 | mjt: main lang is philippino and english |
| 07:04.48 | peteinlux | CutMeOwnThroat: well i can select using find the files matching my -name and -not name rules |
| 07:05.08 | peteinlux | CutMeOwnThroat: but id also like to make an exclusion for the dir, which is not working |
| 07:05.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm tired |
| 07:05.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about "|grep -v" |
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| 07:06.10 | mjt | what's "pa" language code? |
| 07:06.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_language |
| 07:06.44 | simonrvn | panama |
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| 07:07.55 | \amethyst | punjabi |
| 07:07.56 | mjt | frankS2: probably fil_PH |
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| 07:08.12 | frankS2 | mjt: like, export LANG="fil_PH"? |
| 07:08.14 | peteinlux | CutMeOwnThroat: allright many thanks |
| 07:08.21 | mjt | frankS2: fil_PH.UTF-8 |
| 07:08.32 | mjt | frankS2: and ensure the locale is prepared for that |
| 07:09.08 | simonrvn | countrycodes says panama |
| 07:09.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | 90 Mio inhabitants! |
| 07:09.27 | \amethyst | simonrvn: country code isn't language code though |
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| 07:10.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's more than Germany |
| 07:10.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what do I know about it? |
| 07:11.27 | \amethyst | frankS2: you might also try tl_PH |
| 07:11.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's language code... since 5 minutes |
| 07:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that they speak something I'd think is spanish |
| 07:13.38 | \amethyst | frankS2: tl_PH.UTF-8 that is... e.g. aptitude seems to have translations for 'Tagalog' but not 'Filipino' |
| 07:14.07 | simonrvn | \amethyst: not usually no, but sometimes coincide as you know |
| 07:14.07 | ootput | CutMeOwnThroat: pardon? |
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| 07:14.58 | ootput | CutMeOwnThroat: if that was in reference to my using 'kiddo,' relax - it was an allusion to The Matrix |
| 07:15.09 | simonrvn | yeh, tagalog is usually there |
| 07:15.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | ootput, just wondering who's calling me kiddo, gramps |
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| 07:17.29 | |Petrus| | hey guys... |
| 07:17.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | did I die? |
| 07:17.56 | |Petrus| | question...what is the default X keymap for Debian? |
| 07:18.33 | simonrvn | there is no default... |
| 07:18.53 | |Petrus| | was using ubuntu...and my arrow keys in x terms worked fine there...but then I moved to FreeBSD...and they don't...tho they work fine with FreeBSD outside X. |
| 07:19.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders where Debian will come into that story |
| 07:19.42 | simonrvn | or when |
| 07:19.47 | |Petrus| | CutMe I tried going to #ubuntu, but nobody answers me |
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| 07:20.07 | |Petrus| | and I figured since #ubuntu is sorta kinda debian based, this might be a good place to ask as a last resort at least. |
| 07:20.09 | simonrvn | not a reason to come here and ask. |
| 07:20.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, got it! it came into the story when he joined #debian |
| 07:20.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ubuntusmite |Petrus| |
| 07:20.17 | dpkg | takes away all the CO2 in the air around |Petrus| and replaces it with CO. "It's related to carbon dioxide! It's based on carbon dioxide!" |
| 07:20.24 | simonrvn | !win CutMeOwnThroat |
| 07:20.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, CutMeOwnThroat! You have won the US presidency! |
| 07:20.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | again!!! |
| 07:20.35 | simonrvn | again?! |
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| 07:21.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | and me not being an US citizen and everything |
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| 07:21.15 | Supavisah | Hello, I'm looking to setup a webserver from the absolute minimum debian install, anyone got a link to a tutorial? |
| 07:21.28 | simonrvn | weirder things have happened... :P |
| 07:21.49 | |Petrus| | I didn't actually want to come in here, believe me...I've actually used stock Debian as well as Ubuntu in the past...and being entirely honest, there isn't a single distro on the planet which I hate more...but I wasn't actually planning on admitting that. :P |
| 07:22.09 | cirzgamanti | i copied lots of small files from one 500G ext3 disk to another. both show 459G size, 434G used; but the second one has only 3G free, instead of 25G. any idea what might be the reason? |
| 07:22.21 | pipeline | Supavisah: the "netinstall" iso contains everything you need and nothing you don't need to get a minimal debian system. |
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| 07:22.27 | simonrvn | |Petrus|: that's nice. *yawn* |
| 07:22.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | he never used suse |
| 07:22.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously |
| 07:22.41 | Supavisah | pipeline, okay thanks. |
| 07:22.41 | |Petrus| | lol |
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| 07:24.02 | hoohaah | is there an ms fonts package available in repos? |
| 07:24.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sparse files |
| 07:24.11 | dpkg | Sometimes files have 'holes' in them, long sections of binary zeroes (000). Linux and Unix filesystems often know about these sections and store them efficiently, i.e., not storing all of the 000's. These are called 'sparse files'.. To make a file containing zeroes sparse, use cp --sparse=always |
| 07:24.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzgamanti, ^^^ ? |
| 07:24.29 | simonrvn | !msttcorefonts |
| 07:24.29 | dpkg | i guess msttcorefonts is a <contrib> package that will install the last distributable versions of Microsoft's "Core" fonts (Times New Roman, Arial, Courier New, Trebuchet, Andale, Verdana, Impact, Georgia, Comic Sans, Webdings). These can alternatively be downloaded manually from http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ (ask me about <install font>). From lenny onwards, this package is called ttf-mscorefonts-installer. See also <liberation>. |
| 07:24.46 | simonrvn | hoohaah: ^^ |
| 07:24.48 | hoohaah | simonrvn: ah thanks. there appears to be different names for the package littered across the net |
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| 07:25.02 | cirzgamanti | CutMeOwnThroat: ah thx, damn, should have known that before copying half a terabyte ;) |
| 07:25.26 | Supavisah | pipeline, and from there I should be able to install apache, php, mysql, etc? |
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| 07:26.56 | cirzgamanti | CutMeOwnThroat: you're sure it's got nothing to do with ext3 invisibly reserving a certain amount of disk space for itself? |
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| 07:30.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | cirzgamanti, you can change roots reserved space with tune2fs |
| 07:31.07 | cirzgamanti | yes, that was it, just did tune2fs -m 0, now they are the same. |
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| 07:31.42 | cirzgamanti | not very sensible default to reserve 24 gigs i guess ;) |
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| 07:31.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | I'd suggest you want more then 0 blocks reserved though. |
| 07:32.20 | cirzgamanti | would it matter if i would never fill it completely? |
| 07:32.26 | cirzgamanti | like, leave one gigabyte free? |
| 07:32.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.23 | cirzgamanti | these are data disks that won't change much in content over the years. |
| 07:33.48 | cirzgamanti | and probably ext3 won't distinguish between reserved and non-reserved free space? |
| 07:33.56 | cirzgamanti | i hope |
| 07:34.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | why would it know about two types of space and not act apropriately? |
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| 07:34.53 | cirzgamanti | what do you mean? |
| 07:35.09 | cirzgamanti | is not sure what to do with this question ;) |
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| 07:37.20 | cirzgamanti | so you mean it does matter, or it doesn't? |
| 07:38.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | I'm betting it matters |
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| 07:42.22 | cirzgamanti | ok, i'll reserve 1% |
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| 07:59.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesn't matter afaik |
| 07:59.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | free is free |
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| 07:59.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | the point is that you need some free space to avoid fragmentation |
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| 08:05.46 | cirzgamanti | i'll reserve 1% (4G) anyways, this way i won't be tempted to fill it to the brim :) |
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| 08:13.51 | valdyn | it doesnt matter how you enforce leave some space free |
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| 08:18.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it does if you break local laws with it |
| 08:18.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | shooting users who use too much space :-P |
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| 08:19.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzgamanti, anyway, fragmentation is a non-issue on a backup-drive |
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| 08:40.02 | drama831 | anyone around that can give me som advice on mounting a second hard drive? basically my main system is at /dev/hda2. i just bought a new hard drive and ran "gksu gparted". formated it as one big partition (ext/3). fdisk -l reports it as /dev/sda1. basically i want it automounted at boot (right after the root partition). i also want 3 users to automatically have read/write permissions. but only on they're folder. will have 3 folders at the root |
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| 08:44.11 | heroxbd | Can I sudo without PATH being changed? |
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| 08:46.25 | drama831 | heroxbd: do you mean say your at /home/user/desktop. and you need to edit xorg.conf? just an example of course. in this case no you wouldnt have to change the path. could just do sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf. my appoligies if im way off as far as what you are asking |
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| 08:49.07 | omid8bimo | how can i send a test by cat to a file? like cat [TEXT] > /etc/file |
| 08:49.20 | omid8bimo | it says no such file {TEXT} |
| 08:49.22 | heroxbd | drama831: I have some scripts in $HOME/bin. When I use "sudo <script in ~/bin>", it says "not found" |
| 08:49.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | omid8bimo, echo instead of cat |
| 08:49.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | heroxbd, not in roots path? |
| 08:49.58 | IamSOG | Anyone know where the newly downloaded packages are? |
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| 08:50.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | drama831, edit fstab and add the drive? |
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| 08:51.17 | heroxbd | CutMeOwnThroat: as a normal user I can see "/home/heroxbd/bin" in $PATH, but not after"sudo -s" |
| 08:51.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | heroxbd, oh, you said yourself :) just add it to roots path in /root/.bashrc or /root/.profile |
| 08:51.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | (it's a security risk, though) |
| 08:52.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | IamSOG, "/var/cache/apt/archives"? |
| 08:52.37 | heroxbd | CutMeOwnThroat: But the box is shared. Other users may not be glad if I modify /root/* |
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| 08:52.42 | drama831 | CutMeOwnThroat: after that i should just have to add the three folders then chown each of them to they're respective owners then set the proper chmod options and i shouldnt have any read/write issues correct? |
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| 08:53.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | drama831, do it properly, then - put your scripts in /usr/local/bin, chown them root:root and see that /usr/local/bin is in roots path (I think it is) |
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| 08:53.45 | heroxbd | drama831: there a "sudoedit" cmd for sudo editing files:) |
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| 08:54.14 | heroxbd | CutMeOwnThroat: So I am wondering if I can perserve $PATH after sudo. |
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| 08:54.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | drama831, root is not really supposed to run scripts in $USER/bin and you know that our you wouldn't have second thoughts about adding it to roots PATH :) |
| 08:55.12 | drama831 | heroxbd: i always either use sudo nano or sudo gedit followed by the path to the file |
| 08:56.34 | heroxbd | drama831: so do I, I just learned such a command in sudo manpage :) |
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| 08:59.06 | qwalk | kill 45023 |
| 08:59.09 | qwalk | kill 45002 |
| 08:59.11 | qwalk | ups |
| 08:59.12 | qwalk | sorry |
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| 09:00.51 | qwalk | What is the best html/php/css development tool for debian? :) |
| 09:01.04 | heroxbd | !best |
| 09:01.05 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 09:01.31 | rudi_s | qwalk: emacs/vim |
| 09:01.38 | leffan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:01.58 | leffan | you bitch |
| 09:01.59 | qwalk | lol. :P |
| 09:02.30 | leffan | you russia |
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| 09:03.30 | RaymondX | what's the best text editor we can run under cli environment? |
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| 09:04.55 | RaymondX | im looking for one complete with menus scrollbar and mousesuppot |
| 09:06.02 | heroxbd | ls |
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| 09:15.49 | qwalk | Someone has tried Adobe Dreamweaver for Debian? |
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| 09:17.53 | peppe | since when dreamweaver runs under linux? |
| 09:18.13 | qwalk | Since never |
| 09:18.45 | qwalk | but im asking if anyone has tried it with wine. |
| 09:19.45 | azeem | qwalk: try in #wine or #winehq or what's it called |
| 09:19.55 | azeem | they have an app database as well |
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| 09:20.40 | hoohaah | hello. Is there an ncurses interface to debtags (menus dialogs etc) |
| 09:20.48 | qwalk | Okay thanks azeem |
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| 09:22.47 | hoohaah | ah, I suppose I could answer that q myself using debtags itself: interface::commandline |
| 09:24.14 | hoohaah | can someone remind me the general rule for kernel versioning system? I seem to recall either odd or even versions (eg 2.6.25 and 2.6.26 respectively) being more stable/tested than the other |
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| 09:25.44 | ootput | hoohaah: http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/3/2/247 |
| 09:26.40 | hoohaah | ootput: woah long thread. thanks |
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| 09:42.57 | mac123 | Hi i need some help with east asian characters/fonts i am using wine 1.1.7 on debian etch |
| 09:43.43 | mac123 | when ever i run windows application using using wine they dont display properly they |
| 09:43.43 | mac123 | come up in some weird blocks |
| 09:43.47 | mac123 | can some one help me on this |
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| 09:44.56 | jelly-home | wine is a very special beast, perhaps you could try asking in #winehq, but they'll almost certainly suggest upgrading it to a newer version |
| 09:45.56 | mac123 | i can see asain characters in firefox only appz have problem |
| 09:46.08 | jelly-home | firefox under wine? |
| 09:46.37 | mac123 | no iceweasel |
| 09:47.13 | gihan | hi , im using debian installed server. and few times got hacked. is there any way of secure ssh like when some one login to it genarate email and send to admin? |
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| 09:52.00 | rudi_s | gihan: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 09:52.18 | ootput | gihan: system-immutable rc file in ~/.ssh, with somethinglike | mail -s "ssh: $user@$machine $ip $date" mail@domain.com |
| 09:52.27 | rudi_s | logcheck might be usefull too |
| 09:53.20 | ootput | gihan: of course, you'd define those vars within the same file |
| 09:54.18 | ootput | gihan: also, consider deploying through adduser skeleton |
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| 09:57.03 | gihan | ootput,rudi_s: thanks if i chroot users. will it help ? |
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| 09:58.56 | ootput | chroot jails are good |
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| 10:00.43 | ootput | gihan: ssh2 only? |
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| 10:02.34 | davidef19863 | Hi, I'm deploying public-ipv6 in these days on my lan, I'd like to enable ipv6-privacy-extension (as done by windows hosts), how can I do that in lenny (and etch) ? (currently the host get a stateless address using nic's mac) |
| 10:03.00 | gihan | ootput: ididnt understand mate |
| 10:03.58 | ootput | gihan: chroot jails can fail with ssh1 backward compatibility, as scp can be used to freely roam the system |
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| 10:07.07 | gihan | ootput: currently scp can can surf freely in my system |
| 10:08.40 | ootput | gihan: what are you saying? |
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| 10:09.55 | gihan | ootput: i think im using ssh1 |
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| 10:10.39 | Shtl | How to "port forward" in debian? |
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| 10:17.15 | aphexer | Shtl: like on any distro that has ssh |
| 10:17.32 | aphexer | Shtl: you mean port forwarding with ssh or regular with iptables? |
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| 10:22.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf are you talking about ... what should ssh1/ssh2 have to do with a chroot |
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| 10:38.11 | qwalk | I need help setting up vhosts in Apache webserver. |
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| 10:39.17 | qwalk | okay |
| 10:39.19 | qwalk | tu |
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| 11:05.02 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 11:05.40 | mcgreg | I believe there is some way in debian to display all kinds of infos about the system ... like version of the software, libc and packages and stuff. could anyone tell me what it was? |
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| 11:07.15 | abrotman | mcgreg: dpkg -l ? |
| 11:08.37 | mcgreg | abrotman: thx for the tip, a good one, butz it was what I looked for. perhaps I mixed up someting. |
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| 11:08.47 | abrotman | !installed |
| 11:08.48 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 11:09.05 | abrotman | unless you're more precise in what you're asking for ... |
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| 11:10.59 | mcgreg | abrotman: hehe well, as I said, I probably mixed up something. actually dpkg -l delivers all needed infos :) thx you :) |
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| 11:12.20 | thrashold | I deleted the init script of a Debian package (wifi-radar). How can I make it come back? |
| 11:12.37 | azeem | !confmiss |
| 11:12.37 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 11:13.01 | thrashold | Thanks |
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| 11:13.41 | thrashold | That did it |
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| 11:14.39 | hoohaah | is there a way in debian to rebind alt-sysrq to perform multiple sysrq-actions? |
| 11:14.59 | hoohaah | ie using the 'raising elephants' mne dev all of the time? |
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| 11:22.47 | Emnity | mornink all |
| 11:23.26 | Emnity | I have just installed Debian 5 for the first time since debian 3 and am kinda lost again - whats happening with su ? |
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| 11:23.42 | anigma | you know when you come to that point where you can choose what kind of programs you want to install on your system? I somehow didn't choose to install "Desktop Environment". How could I install that without having internet on my machine? I used the debian-501-i386-CD-1 to install the whole system. Could I install only the "Desktop Environment" from that CD? |
| 11:23.43 | ootput | who's su? |
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| 11:24.02 | abrotman | Emnity: you just use it ? |
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| 11:24.22 | abrotman | anigma: you can run 'tasksel' if you really want |
| 11:24.30 | Emnity | the installer gave my user account wheel access that automatically authorises synaptic and stuff, but it will not accept my password for root access with su |
| 11:24.50 | anigma | abrotman, tasksel? |
| 11:24.56 | abrotman | it's a command |
| 11:25.18 | abrotman | Emnity: you apparently *chose* to disable the root account and instead opt for using sudo |
| 11:25.51 | ootput | Emnity: sudo requires sudo group access, doesn't it? |
| 11:26.17 | Emnity | hmm, the gui installer was not that informative |
| 11:26.33 | anigma | you have to be root to run tasksel, right? |
| 11:26.36 | Emnity | so, how do I get access to apt back please? |
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| 11:26.43 | ootput | Emnity: how were you granted wheel access? |
| 11:26.57 | Emnity | that was an assumption |
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| 11:27.15 | Emnity | from limited linux knowledge |
| 11:27.16 | abrotman | anigma: yes |
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| 11:27.45 | anigma | I like the "tasksel" command :) |
| 11:28.47 | Emnity | there is no wheel group in /etc/group |
| 11:28.52 | abrotman | that's one person .. |
| 11:28.53 | ootput | I haven't touched a Debian installer in years |
| 11:29.30 | ootput | is that 'No root user' option now available? |
| 11:29.54 | Emnity | \I have never really used sudo - have always su'd from a user account |
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| 11:31.08 | ootput | Emnity: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/sudo.htm |
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| 11:32.52 | karthickk | can anybody help ? audio not working in debian? |
| 11:33.10 | ootput | maybe. no. |
| 11:33.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell karthickk about not working |
| 11:34.38 | karthickk | Kamping_Kaiser : when i login as root it working .? bt on other account when i click volume controler on task bar it says " NO volume control gstreamer fonud" |
| 11:35.02 | karthickk | Kamping_Kaiser : i have installed gstreamer |
| 11:35.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | karthickk, are you in the audio group? |
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| 11:35.41 | enouf | anigma: i'm not sure everything that tasksel Desktop Environment wants to install is on the st CD, so /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 11:35.42 | karthickk | Kamping_Kaiser : are u in audio group means ..? |
| 11:36.00 | abrotman | karthickk: in a shell, type 'groups' .. is the word 'audio' there ? |
| 11:36.02 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 11:36.02 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 11:36.30 | enouf | oh well - thought that would mention how to check 'groups' |
| 11:36.34 | karthickk | it says "sam cdrom audio plugdev" |
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| 11:36.57 | karthickk | abrotman: it says "sam cdrom audio plugdev" |
| 11:37.02 | anigma | enouf, it is on the CD |
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| 11:37.56 | ootput | typo in cookie: s/and a wav/on a wav/ |
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| 11:38.50 | Emnity | ok, I am able to run apt-get with sudo - learn something new every day |
| 11:39.12 | Emnity | I am trying to build a HTPC |
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| 11:39.49 | ootput | Emnity: depending on your media, Debian might have been a bad choice |
| 11:40.01 | ootput | ,fwiw |
| 11:40.02 | Emnity | I have already tried to play a avi file over the network but it was really slow and jerky with the default video player - will installing mplayer fix this? |
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| 11:40.30 | Emnity | am following a guild on howto install mythtv |
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| 11:42.33 | jelly-home | "over the network" may come in a multitude of protocols and buffer/cache sizes |
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| 11:43.55 | enouf | anigma: ok, well; 'tasksel --task-packages desktop' shows the pkgs, some are likely metapackages, but openoffice.org is/should be huge, and i see no gnome-* but i do see desktop-base - so ..ok |
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| 11:47.12 | kamp2tux | what command to use to run at Menu-driven where i can select server services to install (LAMP, SAMBA), instead of using aptitude or synaptic |
| 11:48.06 | kamp2tux | i mean a command will launch a menu for me to select server service to install (and not aptutide or synaptic) |
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| 11:50.12 | Akuw | i have a server1 with 10 dirs with data and mysql DB |
| 11:50.39 | amphi | !congratulate Akuw |
| 11:50.39 | dpkg | Huzzah Akuw, you did it! |
| 11:50.57 | Akuw | i want to have a server2 how mirror of server1, so if server1 fall, i can use server2. Too i will have a backup |
| 11:51.12 | ootput | hah, never seen it used like that before |
| 11:51.15 | Akuw | i found this http://www.howtoforge.com/mirroring_with_rsync |
| 11:51.31 | Akuw | using rsync. is the way to do it? |
| 11:51.59 | abrotman | kamp2tux: what? you want to select daemons to run, or install? |
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| 11:54.53 | RaymondX | are you asking about a firewall config akuw? |
| 11:54.57 | kamp2tux | abrotman, a command will run a menu for me to select the services to install (just like the menu during the Graphical expert Install - the Debian install) |
| 11:55.08 | ootput | kamp2tux: there are *many* installable services. I'm not aware of any script that parses all of them, or, for your purposes, at least LAMP and SAMBA |
| 11:55.14 | abrotman | !services |
| 11:55.14 | dpkg | services is, like, to view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, sysvconfig, <sysv-rc-conf>, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 11:55.26 | abrotman | kamp2tux: and that's not what you're choosing during the installer |
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| 11:56.11 | kamp2tux | abrotman, ohh... can i run the installer again, even if the Debian is already installed |
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| 11:56.20 | abrotman | wtf |
| 11:56.26 | abrotman | you're not listening |
| 11:56.28 | ootput | is he referring to tasksel? |
| 11:56.32 | enouf | kamp2tux: i like rcconf for configuring already installed services |
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| 11:56.45 | enouf | kamp2tux: also - install configure-debian could help |
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| 11:56.52 | Akuw | no |
| 11:57.07 | RaymondX | port forwarding configs that allow redirection when the site is inaccessible? |
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| 11:57.54 | untitled | hi, where can I specify options for gcc in debian? like CFLAGS |
| 11:58.05 | enouf | Akuw: something ike svn is no good? |
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| 11:58.14 | kamp2tux | thanks enouf |
| 11:58.18 | Akuw | svn? |
| 11:58.49 | enouf | untitled: depends |
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| 11:59.19 | untitled | enouf: I mean globally for apt-get source --compile |
| 11:59.22 | enouf | if you mean for always, maybe /etc/environment .. though that might be incorrect |
| 11:59.51 | enouf | untitled: well, now, that could be done in the debian/control files using debian source, IINM |
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| 12:00.51 | untitled | every time for each file? |
| 12:00.54 | enouf | untitled: i'll let someone else chime in ... - i have to go now too .. good luck |
| 12:01.01 | untitled | k |
| 12:01.02 | Akuw | what is svn? |
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| 12:01.15 | untitled | Akuw: version control system |
| 12:01.23 | enouf | untitled: /msg dpkg debian/rules ; /msg dpkg debian/control (i think both exist) |
| 12:01.24 | Akuw | but |
| 12:01.37 | Akuw | i am looking something to backup my server |
| 12:01.41 | Akuw | in another server |
| 12:01.54 | Akuw | the changes made will be update in my new server |
| 12:02.04 | untitled | Akuw: bacula? |
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| 12:02.49 | ootput | a version control implementation might not appreciate the binaries on each server |
| 12:02.59 | Akuw | ok |
| 12:03.06 | Akuw | well i will test both procedures |
| 12:03.08 | Akuw | thanks |
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| 12:06.00 | ootput | Akuw: of course, another option would be to implement both: 1) plain transfer for binary file formats distinquished by (magic-number test||first 2K bytes of file for unrecognised encoding) 2) version control for remaining text files |
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| 12:06.52 | ootput | That's one way I can think of. Not too sure if it's been implemented already in a script of some form |
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| 12:08.15 | Superbartt | Ok... I hate it when dedi-providers fuckup and I have to solve it... I got a server with 2 500GB hd's, but not run in RAID... One disk isn't partitioned at all, and the other one has a full-size ext3 partition with debian on it. |
| 12:08.49 | Superbartt | Would there be a way to live resize the ext3 partition, create a dmraid part on the free space, and make a mirror to the other (uninitialized) disk? |
| 12:08.59 | ootput | 1) can be substituted by MIME-type test for text, but it may fail with some XML applications (easily remedied by .xml extension) |
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| 12:22.26 | jony123 | could i get debian but not install anything on it then install xvesa and couple of other small things but still have it setup that i can use stuff like apt-get |
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| 12:24.17 | kamp2tux | can u please guide me how to re-start all the vmware server 2.0.1 related services in Debian or linux ? |
| 12:26.20 | thrashold | Would prelinking have a significant effect on current Debian unstable, if I have terribly slow I/O? |
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| 12:28.27 | abrotman | kamp2tux: vmware has nice documentation |
| 12:28.41 | Akuw | rsync is very good |
| 12:28.48 | Akuw | i test it |
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| 12:32.39 | _lars2k_ | Does debian have any application for showing bandiwdth usage like this http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb204/Caster-X/VNIT/Software/totals.gif (windows du-meter) |
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| 12:33.29 | abrotman | bandwidth usage by month ? |
| 12:33.47 | _lars2k_ | month/day |
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| 12:35.13 | abrotman | quite a few |
| 12:35.17 | abrotman | !search |
| 12:35.17 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking. Eg, 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install) 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online), and <help find> (bot). <dpkg search> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 12:36.13 | _lars2k_ | Could you give me a suggestion? I have tried searching using apt |
| 12:36.27 | abrotman | tried using which terms? |
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| 12:36.50 | _lars2k_ | ? |
| 12:37.14 | abrotman | apt-cache search <what here> ? |
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| 12:42.27 | _lars2k_ | abrotman: yes, but what should i search for, iam seeking suggestions what program that supports what I want.. |
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| 12:43.07 | abrotman | i'm asking you what search terms you used |
| 12:44.52 | _lars2k_ | network,network monitor etc |
| 12:45.05 | abrotman | apt-cache search network usage |
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| 12:49.40 | _lars2k_ | Gave some results yes, but nothing that gave me the totals month/day etc.. |
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| 12:49.58 | Macjust | Hello |
| 12:50.12 | Macjust | I have a little problem when i use scp |
| 12:50.13 | Macjust | : |
| 12:50.35 | Macjust | /mnt/usr/bin/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/php: No such file or directory (there are 3 min) |
| 12:51.00 | JNSamuel | wtf :/ |
| 12:51.03 | abrotman | Macjust: what are you trying to do ? |
| 12:51.23 | abrotman | can you put all the output in a pastebin ? |
| 12:51.25 | jelly-home | Macjust: scp sucks in many ways. Use rsync (over ssh) instead if you can |
| 12:51.29 | Macjust | i try to transfert a hard disk |
| 12:51.37 | Macjust | of a server to an other |
| 12:51.54 | Macjust | but |
| 12:52.01 | Macjust | i have this error many time |
| 12:52.14 | Macjust | and a X11 over |
| 12:52.14 | jelly-home | Macjust: if your network is secure, you might even use tar | nc |
| 12:52.24 | Macjust | example now : //say /mnt/usr/bin/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/php: No such file or directory (now) |
| 12:52.45 | jelly-home | Macjust: it's a byproduct of scp not dealing with symlinks well |
| 12:52.46 | Macjust | not secure jelly-home |
| 12:53.00 | jelly-home | Macjust: use rsync. |
| 12:53.14 | asg | jelly-home: there's also dump | restore (over ssh) |
| 12:53.16 | ootput | Macjust: symlink-loop |
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| 12:53.38 | Fraza | hi all. How to replace in windows win95style? |
| 12:54.01 | Fraza | win navigation back, for etc. |
| 12:54.12 | Fraza | forw* |
| 12:54.21 | asg | ENOCLUE |
| 12:54.22 | Macjust | ok i try for rsync |
| 12:54.31 | jelly-home | Macjust: whatever you use, make sure the options used will save symlinks, numeric uids/gids, hardlinks (and other special files) |
| 12:54.43 | ootput | Fraza: navigating _which_ windows |
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| 12:54.51 | abrotman | Fraza: what? |
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| 12:55.25 | jelly-home | asg: rsync is almost restartable |
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| 12:55.57 | jelly-home | but yeah, one might do that, or tar c | ssh tar x, or whatnot |
| 12:56.20 | Vivatma | can we use aria2 as apt-get download manager ? |
| 12:56.45 | Fraza | I wish to change a kind of windows, as in ubuntu. Navigation of windows - forward, back |
| 12:56.50 | Macjust | can i set a password in a tar gz ? |
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| 12:57.03 | Vivatma | machine12, I think you need gpg |
| 12:57.06 | Vivatma | : ) |
| 12:57.07 | abrotman | Fraza: which version of linux? |
| 12:57.08 | jelly-home | Macjust: no |
| 12:57.10 | Vivatma | nope |
| 12:57.12 | Vivatma | Macjust, |
| 12:57.15 | Macjust | ok thk |
| 12:57.16 | Vivatma | gpg |
| 12:57.46 | Macjust | too hard for me Vivatma i use an other solution :) |
| 12:57.56 | Vivatma | okay. |
| 12:58.35 | Vivatma | can we use apt and aria2 together ? |
| 12:58.38 | Fraza | abrotman .. no) I use debian 5 and I want navigation of windows as in ubuntu. sorry my bad english ) |
| 12:58.40 | abrotman | Vivatma: why would you want to use aria2 ? |
| 12:58.47 | abrotman | !ru |
| 12:58.47 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:58.54 | Vivatma | as it can use metalink then |
| 12:58.55 | asg | Macjust: you can use gpg -c <file> (and then enter any password you want) |
| 12:58.55 | abrotman | Fraza: you'll have to describe it better |
| 12:59.03 | Vivatma | in opensuse, zypper got that already |
| 12:59.13 | ootput | Fraza: give another example |
| 12:59.39 | Macjust | ok i try |
| 12:59.39 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 12:59.40 | Vivatma | abrotman, with aria2, we can download one file from different URLs |
| 12:59.47 | Vivatma | wildc4rd, good night |
| 12:59.48 | abrotman | like bittorrent ? |
| 12:59.55 | Vivatma | a bit |
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| 13:00.19 | jelly-home | judd: info apt-p2p |
| 13:00.19 | abrotman | Vivatma: i doubt you can use aria2 .. but there is a way to use apt with bittorrent |
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| 13:00.20 | judd | jelly-home: apt-p2p (net): is optional; Version: 0.1.5; Size: 106.0k; Installed: 529k -- apt helper for peer-to-peer downloads of Debian packages |
| 13:00.28 | Fraza | I will make sreens))) |
| 13:00.31 | Macjust | asg how to open after ? |
| 13:00.46 | Vivatma | abrotman, bittorrent is not the same to download from multi-URLs |
| 13:00.52 | asg | Macjust: gpg -d <file>.gpg |
| 13:00.59 | jelly-home | Vivatma: if you app provides a http proxy interface, if might be done |
| 13:01.01 | abrotman | Vivatma: i'm just telling you what's available |
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| 13:01.22 | Vivatma | always, bittorrent client is not that powerful as an repos server |
| 13:01.25 | abrotman | Vivatma: as jelly is saying, if your aria2 can do proxy requests, then it might be possible |
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| 13:01.58 | Macjust | gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. |
| 13:01.58 | Macjust | gpg: processing message failed: eof |
| 13:01.58 | Vivatma | yes, I just wonder thr r some setting in apt-get. just like the zypper of opensuse |
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| 13:03.48 | Vivatma | Macjust, I think you need rar or zip. |
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| 13:03.55 | jelly-home | Vivatma: there is no explicit support for aria2 |
| 13:04.23 | Vivatma | this is opensuse's zypper way :http://en.opensuse.org/Libzypp/Failover |
| 13:04.34 | Vivatma | I would like to find debian way. : ) |
| 13:04.46 | abrotman | send a patch! |
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| 13:11.34 | siduxer_ | where can i discuss sid. thx |
| 13:11.46 | Fraza | http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshott.png I want a window in a window. )) |
| 13:12.01 | azeem | siduxer_: you can try here, but don't complain if nobody answers |
| 13:12.12 | _lars2k_ | Is it possible to mount a network share? Debian is "the mounter" and freebsd is the sharer" :) |
| 13:12.22 | siduxer_ | thx azeem' |
| 13:13.00 | siduxer_ | my alsa 1.0.20 is not showing up in winecfg right now. getting error -> err:module:load_builtin_dll failed to load .so lib for builtin L"winealsa.drv": /usr/local/bin/../lib/wine/winealsa.drv.so: symbol snd_pcm_forward, version ALSA_0.9not defined in file libasound.so.2 with link time referenc |
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| 13:14.19 | siduxer_ | i am on amd64 using 32bit wine. I noticed that their is no wine 1.1.22 yet, so maybe its in the process of being fixed? |
| 13:14.52 | azeem | wine is ... special |
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| 13:15.15 | azeem | the maintainer insits on uploading each upstream version, even if there have been several new ones since the last upload |
| 13:15.25 | azeem | so yeah, it'll be uploaded at some point |
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| 13:16.36 | siduxer_ | ok, looks like it! maybe 1.1.22 will fix it then. thx |
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| 13:17.07 | siduxer_ | i will need to use alsa 1.0.19 until its is fixed though |
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| 13:30.57 | wekt | Does ~dfsg appended to a package name mean that the package is modified to suit the DFSGs? or what? |
| 13:31.09 | azeem | yes |
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| 13:32.21 | wekt | I have many packages that appear 2x in aptitude. Anyone know the reason offhand? It seems harmless though. |
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| 13:34.08 | abrotman | wekt: such as? |
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| 13:37.17 | Macjust | i have this error at the boot of portmap : Starting portmap daemon....chown: invalid group: `root:root' and mysql don't want boot :(. |
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| 13:39.39 | wekt | abrotman: such as iceweasel-greasemonkey 0.8.20090123.1-1 |
| 13:40.12 | knoeki | okay, so... any idea why the right half of my keyboard isn't working in xorg? it works fine in a TTY (how else would I be typing now ;_)) and at the GDM login screen there's no problem either, but after... just problems. some keys are just unresponsive, others seem to be magically linked to mouse inputs for some reason. |
| 13:40.19 | wekt | and the iceweasel language packs. |
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| 13:40.45 | abrotman | those aren't 'double' |
| 13:41.12 | wekt | knoeki: how did you set your keyboard settings? What did you choose at install or do afterwards? |
| 13:41.26 | knoeki | uh |
| 13:41.33 | knoeki | it happened sort of randomly |
| 13:41.38 | knoeki | a few hours ago. |
| 13:42.07 | knoeki | and I did reinstall gnome/xorg, but to no avail. |
| 13:42.08 | wekt | abrotman: When I select 1, the other is automatically selected as well and they have the same names, so it looks double --but is it not? |
| 13:42.38 | knoeki | I also suspected it might be something with switching to a different kernel, but the same problem happens with my old one too. |
| 13:42.53 | wekt | knoeki: did you select a keymap at install? or select use kernel keymap? |
| 13:43.06 | knoeki | I selected a keymap, yes. |
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| 13:43.44 | knoeki | but really, why would that matter, and what does that have to do with half the keyboard being unresponsive only after logging in? |
| 13:45.33 | Fraza | Help please how to make that folders opened ×ÞÅÇÄÁ in an observer? |
| 13:45.37 | abrotman | wekt: it's not |
| 13:46.02 | Fraza | *always |
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| 13:47.17 | wekt | abrotman: why does it display 2x? |
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| 13:49.56 | abrotman | wekt: use a pastebin |
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| 13:50.23 | zcserei | Is there a way to STRIP my system back to what it was as a freshly installed one? I just got access to a server, have no physical access, and want to get rid of the mess the last admin left me. The easiest way? |
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| 13:50.40 | testuser | knoeki: did you test with a different user? |
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| 13:50.51 | knoeki | testuser: I could try that. |
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| 13:53.21 | knoeki | intresting, with another user I just created everything seems fine... |
| 13:54.05 | bzed | zcserei: if the admin was sane, just purge all the packages you don;t need anymore |
| 13:54.26 | zcserei | bzed, and programs compiled from source? |
| 13:54.32 | bzed | zcserei: if the admin is not sane... well... you could start to find files which are not owned by a package and remove them... |
| 13:54.33 | zcserei | (was insane) |
| 13:55.03 | bzed | zcserei: and then remove all packages you dont need |
| 13:55.27 | bzed | zcserei: and apt-get install --reinstall all packages |
| 13:56.10 | bzed | zcserei: or find some useful person you can talk into reinstalling the machine with a minimal debian |
| 13:56.26 | bzed | that's what I would do... |
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| 13:57.18 | sylarr | dpkg told me to read Documentation/networking/alias.txt |
| 13:57.18 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, sylarr |
| 13:57.27 | sylarr | but where is it? |
| 13:57.39 | sylarr | looked at /usr/share/doc |
| 13:57.43 | sylarr | but nothing is there |
| 13:57.45 | adrighem | sylarr: probably in the kernel source |
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| 13:58.12 | sylarr | where would that be adrighem ? |
| 13:58.23 | adrighem | /usr/src/ |
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| 13:58.47 | adrighem | but you'd have to have a linux-source-* package installed |
| 13:58.58 | bzed | sylarr: well, what do you really want to do? |
| 13:59.12 | sylarr | correct adrighem |
| 13:59.40 | sylarr | bzed, find out how to set/remove ip aliases |
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| 14:00.26 | bzed | sylarr: you use ip addr add for that these days |
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| 14:00.51 | bzed | sylarr: and just add a second address to an interface, instead of creating aliases |
| 14:01.11 | sylarr | bzed, I want to do it dynamically |
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| 14:02.24 | Supermiguel | Im building a new server (home server) im between this cpus what u guys think. AMD Opteron 1354 vs AMD Athlon X2 7850?? |
| 14:02.47 | Bleem | AMD Opteron 1355 |
| 14:02.49 | Bleem | 4* |
| 14:02.50 | Bleem | Do that. |
| 14:03.11 | abrotman | Supermiguel: ##hardware |
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| 14:05.52 | Supermiguel | hardware? |
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| 14:07.23 | asg | abrotman: you could suggest a SLUG |
| 14:07.29 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:07.34 | wekt | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/37523/ reverse dependency view of iceweasel in aptitude. Showing package appearing 2x. |
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| 14:07.51 | abrotman | wekt: dpkg -l iceweasel* |
| 14:07.59 | asg | $ cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:07.59 | asg | Processor : XScale-IXP42x Family rev 1 (v5l) |
| 14:07.59 | asg | BogoMIPS : 132.71 |
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| 14:08.52 | agaran | asg: hmm and really how fast it is? i remember slug has usb ports? |
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| 14:09.21 | asg | agaran: 133 Mhz. It has 2 usb ports. Currently, the filesystem for this server is running on a 2G usb stick. |
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| 14:09.37 | wekt | abrotman: dpkg -l shows only 1 entry per package |
| 14:09.41 | hoohaah | in anyone's experience, is there a tool to display packages installed in a graph format similar to the one displayed at http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=73063 ? |
| 14:09.50 | hoohaah | ie the 'cloud' design? |
| 14:09.50 | abrotman | wekt: okay .. |
| 14:10.00 | abrotman | how about apt-cache policy iceweasel-greasemonkey |
| 14:10.24 | agaran | asg: not bad, i have no experience with xscale so far |
| 14:10.25 | asg | hoohaah: iirc, those are generated using graphiz and some debian tool (can't remember the name offhand) |
| 14:11.07 | wekt | abrotman: added as comment to http://paste.debian.net/37523/ |
| 14:11.13 | asg | agaran: Linux gimp 2.6.18-6-ixp4xx #1 Wed May 6 00:18:36 BST 2009 armv5tel GNU/Linux |
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| 14:11.37 | abrotman | i can't really read that .. |
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| 14:15.29 | wekt | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/37524/ |
| 14:15.54 | abrotman | i ahve no idea why aptitude shows it twice .. |
| 14:16.00 | abrotman | i don't use aptitude interactively |
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| 14:19.53 | sylarr | how can i change the image that swfdec mozilla plugin show? |
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| 14:27.45 | hoohaah | asg: can't find anything remotely similar :( |
| 14:27.59 | hoohaah | i really like the output of their pacgraph script |
| 14:28.10 | hoohaah | kinda makes it much easier to see which app pulls in the most deps |
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| 14:29.53 | Pupuser402 | guys |
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| 14:30.13 | Pupuser402 | i am coming from a 256 ram,1133mhz 32 gfx ram |
| 14:30.20 | Pupuser402 | is debian good for me ? |
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| 14:31.29 | leleobhz | how can i choose the repository for a package that exists in 2 repositories |
| 14:31.37 | leleobhz | using aptitude? |
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| 14:32.50 | kanon-mat | aptitude -t "releasename" install |
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| 14:33.34 | kanon-mat | oh, i didnt read :) sorry |
| 14:33.39 | Pupuser402 | i am coming from a 256 ram,1133mhz 32 gfx ram |
| 14:33.40 | Pupuser402 | is debian good for me ? |
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| 14:33.51 | kanon-mat | im too tired to chat :) |
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| 14:33.57 | qdii | hello |
| 14:34.12 | leleobhz | [30/05-11:32:50] < kanon-mat> aptitude -t "releasename" install |
| 14:34.24 | leleobhz | kanon-mat: but this works only for releases, isnt? |
| 14:34.39 | Pupuser402 | i am coming from a 256 ram,1133mhz 32 gfx ram |
| 14:34.40 | Pupuser402 | is debian good for me ? |
| 14:34.45 | adb | no |
| 14:34.52 | kanon-mat | like stable testing unstable .... |
| 14:34.57 | Pupuser402 | no ? |
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| 14:35.02 | Pupuser402 | what do you suggest ? |
| 14:35.02 | leleobhz | yeap |
| 14:35.22 | leleobhz | kanon-mat: my problem the both repositories set for stable |
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| 14:35.47 | leleobhz | so is not a release problem, but only choose the best repository |
| 14:36.32 | adb | define best |
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| 14:37.05 | leleobhz | adb: one of both repositories i want to work |
| 14:37.07 | kanon-mat | you mean a pkg thats in stable and debian-multimedia? |
| 14:37.19 | Pupuser402 | i am coming from a 256 ram,1133mhz 32 gfx ram |
| 14:37.22 | Pupuser402 | is debian good for me ? |
| 14:37.39 | extremedevilz | i am coming from a 256 ram,1133mhz 32 gfx ram |
| 14:37.43 | extremedevilz | is debian good for me ? |
| 14:37.54 | leleobhz | kanon-mat: like this! |
| 14:37.59 | kanon-mat | more ram is better :) |
| 14:38.08 | adb | leleobhz: change stable to lenny is best |
| 14:38.12 | extremedevilz | i am coming from a 256 ram,1133mhz 32 gfx ram |
| 14:38.19 | extremedevilz | is debian good for me ? |
| 14:39.03 | kanon-mat | extremedevilz: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02.html.en |
| 14:39.36 | adb | !tell extremedevilz about multiple ask |
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| 14:40.59 | _katia_ | hello everybody |
| 14:41.17 | _katia_ | looking for a networking guru here |
| 14:41.33 | _katia_ | no help from the #networking channel |
| 14:41.47 | kanon-mat | extremedevilz: this may be even better http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
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| 14:42.26 | _katia_ | is anybody here who can help me? |
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| 14:43.02 | kanon-mat | i dont know networks, but !ask |
| 14:43.18 | _katia_ | oh well |
| 14:43.27 | _katia_ | i got this wireless router |
| 14:43.37 | _katia_ | which i used to plug a dsl modem into |
| 14:43.39 | adb | _katia_: be patient |
| 14:43.40 | hoohaah | hello. which tool would i use to only get first field of space (any number) separated string |
| 14:43.44 | _katia_ | it worked wonderfully |
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| 14:43.47 | _katia_ | sure i am |
| 14:43.53 | adb | hmm |
| 14:44.00 | arj | hoohaah: cut or awk |
| 14:44.14 | _katia_ | now i got this fastweb thing called HAG |
| 14:44.14 | hoohaah | arj: I tried cut -d ' ' -f 1, but no luck |
| 14:44.21 | _katia_ | ever heard of it |
| 14:44.35 | _katia_ | sort of a wireless access point |
| 14:44.40 | asg | hoohaah: try awk '{print $1}' |
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| 14:44.55 | _katia_ | fact is that this HAG is my connection to the internet |
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| 14:45.05 | asg | !tell _katia_ about enter |
| 14:46.00 | _katia_ | ok |
| 14:46.00 | _katia_ | i just want the dang router to access the internet through that HAG. |
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| 14:47.06 | siduxer_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:47.39 | adb | ask #sidux |
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| 14:49.01 | ktlr | can somebody tell me an application what can convert "xhtml and css" to pdf ? like as prince |
| 14:49.24 | asg | _katia_: since all google searches for hag and fastweb bring up italian links, you might try #debian-it (presuming you speak Italian). They may have experience with this setup. |
| 14:49.31 | siduxer_ | sidux uses same repos more or less but thx |
| 14:49.35 | ktlr | just a problem with the prince is not free |
| 14:49.59 | _katia_ | asg: you bet it |
| 14:50.03 | _katia_ | thank you |
| 14:50.15 | asg | ktlr: open the page in a browser and do the 'print to pdf' thing. |
| 14:50.43 | sylarr | i tried to install flashblock to iceweasel and failed |
| 14:52.17 | sylarr | iceweasel -install-global-extension flashblock-1.5.10-fx.xpi |
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| 14:53.54 | ktlr | asg, i have a web application written in java what must do generate a pdf in a background, so i am using a prince now, but prince isnt free, that is the problem |
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| 14:54.35 | lvh | Is there a particular reason why I can't find any thrift packages anywhere in the debian repo's? |
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| 14:54.53 | lvh | Besides "nobody's made packages for it yet" |
| 14:57.04 | lvh | I'm guessing it's not a legal issue since I very much doubt that anyone that got into Apache Incubator would be DFSG-unsafe :-D |
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| 14:58.13 | asg | ktlr: if you are a non-profit, then http://pd4ml.com/index.htm provides a fully functional free version. |
| 14:59.32 | Supermiguel | is virtualization worth it? i mean if im looking for a new cpu shoulld i pick one that supports virtualization? |
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| 14:59.35 | hellues | hey |
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| 14:59.48 | hellues | is there a way convert .mp4 files to .mp3 |
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| 15:00.31 | Supermiguel | hellues, http://www.ehow.com/how_4927315_convert-mp-mp-using-ubuntu.html |
| 15:01.10 | abrotman | that would work .. if he were using ubuntu ? |
| 15:01.44 | asg | Supermiguel: it's necessary for some virtualization solutions (i.e., kvm, running Windows on Xen, etc.) |
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| 15:02.05 | knoeki | okay, so.. with my regular user account, when logged in on a graphical terminal, half the keyboard doesn't respond. using a different user posed no problems, but I did make it after the problem happened. any idea what the issue is, and/or some pointers to a fix? |
| 15:02.34 | lvh | Anyone know where I can find the 'autoscan' binary? |
| 15:02.42 | asg | lvh: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:03.00 | lvh | asg: I tried apt-cache search autoscan, no luck. |
| 15:03.15 | lvh | I'll try apt-file |
| 15:03.43 | hellues | i am using debian |
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| 15:07.34 | ajavid | good morning |
| 15:07.51 | ajavid | hellues, try mencoder |
| 15:08.21 | lvh | hellues: also consider using vlc |
| 15:09.06 | ajavid | hellues, http://gimpel.gi.funpic.de/wiki/index.php?title=Howto:convert_aac/mp4_to_wav/mp3/ogg_on_Linux <-- look at last section |
| 15:09.19 | ajavid | judd versions m4a2mp3 |
| 15:09.21 | judd | ajavid: m4a2mp3 -- |
| 15:09.47 | ajavid | if you want strictly something in debian, I'd go with mencoder |
| 15:09.57 | ajavid | (I've never used VLC to transcode) |
| 15:10.41 | ajavid | Convert a video file to an audio file (.mp4 to .mp3) -- mencoder video.mp4 -ovc lavc -vf scale=123:100 -oac lavc -o video.avi |
| 15:10.47 | ajavid | ffmpeg -i video.avi -ac 1 audio1.mp3 |
| 15:10.53 | ajavid | something like that anyway |
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| 15:11.26 | ajavid | though ffmpeg -i video.mp4 -vn -ac 1 audio1.mp3 should be able to take care of it |
| 15:11.43 | ajavid | probably don't need to generate an avi |
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| 15:15.15 | hoohaah | why are there so many /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon procs? |
| 15:15.20 | hoohaah | i counted 50 or so |
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| 15:19.32 | kristian_ | hi all - considering going from Linux Mint to debian, but have a few questions regarding hardware |
| 15:19.55 | mkeil | hi |
| 15:20.10 | kristian_ | will it be equally "easy" to get my sound and graphics working? |
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| 15:20.56 | mkeil | you can also use ubuntu |
| 15:21.11 | mkeil | i had no problems migrating vom windows to ubuntu |
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| 15:22.26 | _km_ | kristian_: sound is generally not a problem... graphics can be a bit more trying depending on the chipset (i have an ati card that gives me a headache with fglrx from time to time) |
| 15:23.13 | kristian_ | I also have an ATI card, and I run the official driver... I guess it'll work in debian too as it is a .deb file? |
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| 15:23.30 | _km_ | there's the fglrx kernel module |
| 15:23.34 | _km_ | it works |
| 15:23.36 | wekt | kristian_: with graphics, it is more a question of how well your 3D acceleration works, I think. 2D will work in most every case. |
| 15:23.44 | _km_ | wekt: agreed |
| 15:24.13 | _km_ | with fglrx... things like xcompmgr are brutally slow |
| 15:24.18 | kristian_ | luckilly, I don't care much for 3d |
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| 15:24.31 | _km_ | kristian_: then there's no need to worry |
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| 15:24.50 | kristian_ | it should be basically the same... alsamixer, xorg etc? |
| 15:25.28 | kristian_ | also, I have a ntfs partition, that I would like to have loaded on startup... should be relatively painless, right? |
| 15:25.43 | kristian_ | and a wireless network |
| 15:25.57 | wekt | kristian_: read-only is painless. Write is limited for NTFS. |
| 15:26.21 | wekt | kristian_: for write, use VFAT. |
| 15:26.23 | kristian_ | will ntfs-tools run? |
| 15:28.14 | wekt | kristian_: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages |
| 15:28.40 | wekt | kristian_: http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 15:31.12 | Taram | hi I am looking for an adequate lib to do some scientific matrix calculations (inverse etc.) .... I found gsl lib. but there I have to play around with LU_invert() to get an inverse...are there any alternatives for matrix calculations? |
| 15:31.23 | kristian_ | can it really be true that I can't get full ntfs-support? |
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| 15:36.11 | ajavid | kristian_, /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 15:36.23 | ajavid | kristian_, ntfs read/write fairly stable |
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| 15:37.42 | unop | depends what "full ntfs support" means |
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| 15:39.01 | pdani_ | hi |
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| 15:47.24 | arvind_khadri | hi i am on lenny 2.6.26-2-amd64 kernel, am getting this /home/root/.gnome2 directory doesnt exist when i run gksu gedit , is anyone else also facing this? |
| 15:47.27 | pdani_ | i'm pretty unexperienced in the topic: i made a vserver guest (lenny), i started it, then i entered to it. the host runs an ssh daemon on port 22. now, i wanted to start one in the guest too, but it's working only when i set another port than 22. aren't they suppose to work with two separate ip-stack? |
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| 15:50.43 | _km_ | arvind_khadri: can you fire up some gnome app as root (su)? this may generate the .gnome2 directory... or start x/gnome as root. |
| 15:50.58 | _km_ | arvind_khadri: that might do it |
| 15:51.11 | arvind_khadri | _km_, just a sec let me check |
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| 15:51.50 | arvind_khadri | _km_, do you mean that i should run first su, drop to the root shell and then run a gnome app? |
| 15:51.58 | _km_ | try that |
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| 15:54.45 | arvind_khadri | _km_, ya works well, would i have to do it on all the new kernels ? |
| 15:55.14 | _km_ | no... the .gnome2 dir should remain in /root until you physicall delete it |
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| 15:55.30 | frog_ | in which pccket can i find mkfs.ntfs? |
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| 15:56.11 | jtaji | frog_: ntfsprogs |
| 15:56.16 | arvind_khadri | _km_, aah i didnt do anything, maybe i had to run xsane as root, could that have possibly done some damage ? |
| 15:56.27 | frog_ | jtaji: thank you very much |
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| 15:57.20 | _km_ | arvind_khadri: not sure.. but i don't know of too many apps that will torch a .gnome directory |
| 15:57.51 | arvind_khadri | _km_, ok thanks anyways :) |
| 15:57.57 | _km_ | np |
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| 15:59.36 | adb | arvind_khadri: home directory is root/ not /home/root , just for clearness |
| 16:00.00 | adb | for root user* |
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| 16:03.53 | reber | hi. what is the software that changes font size in the booting process ? |
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| 16:04.31 | reber | ... and displays :"Setting up console font and keymap" |
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| 16:06.24 | tux91 | Where can I see what packages have made it into testing? |
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| 16:08.42 | hark | reber: console-setup |
| 16:08.43 | soulchild | Hi all,... somehow I cannot empty my Trash on Gnome 2.26, I already tried to delete .local/Trash, but there are still files. I don't even get an error message... any ideas ? |
| 16:08.55 | hark | tux91: http://packages.debian.org/testing/main/newpkg |
| 16:10.43 | tux91 | hark: thanks, but I meant updated packages, not just completely new |
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| 16:12.28 | hark | soulchild: checked in ~/.local/share/Trash/files or ~/.Trash*? |
| 16:12.43 | soulchild | hark: both |
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| 16:15.37 | reber | hark, mm... strange in sysvconfig, console-setup isn't enabled |
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| 16:17.21 | reber | hark, that's what i'd say too, i first thought of console-setup. Any ideas how to just skip this console-setup then, as it is already marked as disabled in sysvconfig |
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| 16:19.45 | adb | add vga=791 in grub menu.lst ? |
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| 16:21.03 | reber | adb, it's for an eeepc (701) and as mentionned here : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Configure#Graphicalboot i have to set vga=785 |
| 16:21.29 | adb | or so .. |
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| 16:32.12 | chemistrydioxide | hello, i have a problem. something is eating my disk space. i just moved 1.2 GB from my root partition to another partition and now my root partition is still full. |
| 16:32.17 | chemistrydioxide | 100% |
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| 16:33.00 | chemistrydioxide | and yes, i double checked twice that it was really the root partition where i freed space |
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| 16:35.20 | Polarina | In Squeeze, going to 'System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layouts -> Add -> By language' crashes the program. How can I add a keyboard layout for Esperanto? |
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| 16:37.21 | twisted` | how can I block X-server packages from being installed? |
| 16:37.57 | chemistrydioxide | twisted`: what do you mean by this exactly? do you want no x-server at all? |
| 16:38.13 | twisted` | chemistrydioxide: yep, just cli |
| 16:38.23 | twisted` | and I just wanted to install virtualbox but it pulls in gui tools |
| 16:38.34 | twisted` | which I don't need cause I want to run it from cli and connect through RDP |
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| 16:39.23 | gukk_devel | is away: Zur Zeit nicht da. |
| 16:39.36 | chemistrydioxide | Could not save to autosave file "/home/asdf/.evolution/.evolution-composer.autosave-OHGYJGH". |
| 16:39.36 | chemistrydioxide | Error saving to autosave because "Auf dem Gerät ist kein Speicherplatz mehr verfügbar". |
| 16:40.05 | chemistrydioxide | i even can't send e-mails anymore just because of this disk eating program |
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| 16:40.17 | azeem | chemistrydioxide: check /var/log |
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| 16:41.31 | jmut | is there any easy way I run second instance of memcache on another port. it seems starting memcache at all is quite intensive... line is like start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec $DAEMONBOOTSTRAP and deamonbootstrap is perl script with tons of stuff |
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| 16:43.47 | cantido | Is pulseaudio broken by design or is it just me? |
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| 16:45.28 | azeem | cantido: it's just you |
| 16:45.45 | cantido | azeem: Ah thats ok then :) |
| 16:45.54 | unop | cantido, it's me and you. |
| 16:46.04 | cantido | can't make it not totally shit up my ability to use soundage |
| 16:46.36 | cantido | unop: killing it fixes everything sound-wise, I wish it would stay that way. *sigh* |
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| 16:48.21 | chemistrydioxide | azeem: /var/log/messages and kern.log contain useless crap about my DVD drive and they have been cut off in the end because the disk is full |
| 16:48.53 | azeem | chemistrydioxide: so fix that |
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| 16:49.26 | chemistrydioxide | azeem: my dvd drive is working fine |
| 16:49.39 | azeem | chemistrydioxide: *shrug* |
| 16:49.46 | azeem | until you quote the message, we can't help you |
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| 16:52.02 | chemistrydioxide | azeem: http://nopaste.com/p/ahF1fKTTY |
| 16:52.26 | cantido | Before I upgraded to kde4 I used to be able to input a variety of languages via scim. However now when scim sends the input from the input method into kde applications it gets converted into so junk in latin chars.. what am I doing wrong? :) |
| 16:52.38 | azeem | chemistrydioxide: are you using it when it writes those message? |
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| 16:54.30 | chemistrydioxide | azeem: dmesg shows me lots of these errors |
| 16:55.08 | chemistrydioxide | i just tried to use the drive (it worked, of course) and i got no new error in dmesg |
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| 16:55.31 | chemistrydioxide | however, i know that i was using the drive during the last hours |
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| 17:00.21 | chemistrydioxide | azeem: i'm afraid that my computer isn't logging anything anymore |
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| 17:00.37 | chemistrydioxide | the last entry in dmesg is two hours old |
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| 17:01.46 | res22 | Anyone here able to mount an ext4 fs on debian? |
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| 17:01.55 | res22 | sid |
| 17:02.14 | chemistrydioxide | res22: do you know whether your kernel supports ext4? |
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| 17:04.31 | chemistrydioxide | will be away for a few minutes |
| 17:04.55 | chemistrydioxide | my system has stopped logging because the disk is full |
| 17:05.25 | chemistrydioxide | i've moved some logfiles to other partitions and created symlinks |
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| 17:05.34 | chemistrydioxide | how do i make it log again? |
| 17:05.38 | chemistrydioxide | is now away |
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| 17:07.47 | chemistrydioxide | back |
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| 17:08.18 | azeem | chemistrydioxide: restart syslog maybe |
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| 17:08.27 | azeem | and check whether you now have free space |
| 17:08.27 | chemistrydioxide | azeem: thanks |
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| 17:10.20 | chemistrydioxide | azeem: nope, my disk is still full, but /var/log/messages, syslog and kern.log are now on another partition, so logging is now working again |
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| 17:11.15 | Polarina | In Squeeze, going to 'System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layouts -> Add -> By language' crashes the program. How can I add a keyboard layout for Esperanto? |
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| 17:14.29 | Pnux | hey, im not sure if this is a KDE setting or a debian setting, but everytime i click mouse3 in iceweasel (not over a link), iceweasel goes to the URL in the clipboard. How can i change it? |
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| 17:16.46 | moldy | hi |
| 17:17.05 | moldy | how do i force e.g. aptitude reinstall to replace locally modified files? |
| 17:19.20 | hark | Pnux: it's a firefox setting |
| 17:20.15 | hark | Pnux: about:config; look for loadurl |
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| 17:20.59 | Pnux | hark: so i just have to change middlemouse.contentLoadURL to false? |
| 17:21.11 | hark | TIAS |
| 17:21.16 | gukk_devel | is back. |
| 17:22.05 | Pnux | just making sure |
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| 17:22.33 | Pnux | hark: that worked, thanks for the help |
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| 17:22.36 | hark | moldy: one time or always? |
| 17:22.41 | hark | Pnux: np |
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| 17:24.34 | kanon-mat | i'd like to have something like middlemouse.contentLoadURL false for opera |
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| 17:29.17 | chemistrydioxide | some logfiles in /var/log were excessively huge |
| 17:29.38 | chemistrydioxide | i think this is why my disk was full |
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| 17:30.07 | chemistrydioxide | azeem: thanks for helping me |
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| 17:33.00 | chemistrydioxide | now i have 4.4 GB of free space on my disk... good bye |
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| 17:52.56 | sylar | anyone has flashblock extension working with iceweasel? |
| 17:53.11 | rektide | my user crontab doesnt seem to be getting run. i've added a line that should echo a simple string into a file every three minutes, but it never seems to run |
| 17:53.25 | rektide | i dont know how to debug the issue... any suggestions |
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| 17:54.19 | rektide | seems like cron just isnt set up right, but i dont know what config there is that i'm missing |
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| 17:58.39 | Vutral | lol |
| 17:58.46 | homy | is debian testing safe to run on a desktop machine? |
| 17:58.57 | Vutral | lol |
| 17:58.59 | Vutral | no |
| 17:59.04 | lupine_85 | homy: it won't destroy your hardware |
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| 17:59.18 | lupine_85 | so by my standards it's pretty safe |
| 17:59.30 | lupine_85 | (well, probably won't destroy your hardware) |
| 17:59.31 | homy | I mean, is it as stable as e.g. ubuntu or fedora, opensuse |
| 17:59.39 | lupine_85 | more stable than fedora |
| 17:59.44 | lupine_85 | but then, so's most things |
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| 18:00.00 | lupine_85 | incidentally, any plan for IPv6 www.debian.org ? |
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| 18:00.37 | homy | does debian testing have recent kde4 packages (and do new kde4 versions migrate into debian testing fast)? |
| 18:00.38 | lupine_85 | homy: the main issue is the lack of security updates |
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| 18:00.50 | Vutral | tissue |
| 18:01.02 | lupine_85 | if you just want kde4, probably best to use kubuntu 9.04 |
| 18:01.14 | pipeline | kde4 is still pretty broken :( |
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| 18:01.21 | lupine_85 | nah, 4.2 is damn good |
| 18:01.34 | pipeline | if you really want kde4 just use apt-pinning to install the unstable packages in testing. |
| 18:01.38 | lupine_85 | 'though the gnome-shell stuff looks verr nice |
| 18:01.40 | homy | are there any other debian package based systems other than debian and ubuntu? |
| 18:01.59 | pipeline | http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
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| 18:02.42 | lupine_85 | homy: ISTR a project to put dpkg and friends as an alternative to rpm in some distro or another |
| 18:02.45 | lupine_85 | there's also sidux |
| 18:03.05 | lupine_85 | you also get apt-rpm for rpm distros |
| 18:03.14 | lupine_85 | makes thenm almost usable |
| 18:03.16 | homy | ok,so no major distros. |
| 18:03.28 | lupine_85 | nah, it's a 2-package-system world |
| 18:03.35 | Vutral | nope |
| 18:03.36 | pickcoder | homy: packages take a lot of manpower to manage |
| 18:03.38 | lupine_85 | gentoo is the lib dems of the pacvkaging system world |
| 18:03.50 | pickcoder | feel free to roll your own with source installs |
| 18:04.02 | pickcoder | however, you're on your own at that point |
| 18:04.16 | homy | my problem is I'm used to debian based systems (ubuntu, debian) but I would like to switch to KDE4 from gnome. Now I'm looking for a distro that supports KDE well (which I read isn't really the case with kubuntu). |
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| 18:04.43 | Squawk | Hey fellas, after running dist-upgrade for the first time on my lappy I have borked my wifi. I figure its a driver issue but not sure how to identify if that really is the case. The device shows up in iwconfig as both wmaster0 (I think) and ath1 (it was previously ath0) and I can seemingly start the device, however I can't scan for wireless networks. Need a helping hand |
| 18:04.57 | pickcoder | homy: if it was a simple solution then wouldn't you expect Debian to have already done it? |
| 18:05.20 | pickcoder | of course, that should be taken with a grain of salt |
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| 18:19.32 | usser | hi why would powertop on eeepc 701 report that: Power usage (ACPI estimate): 135952503823239.4W (0.0 hours) |
| 18:19.53 | usser | anybody seen anything like that? |
| 18:20.56 | usser | using lenny with 2.6.29-backports kernel |
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| 18:24.45 | freebase | G'day |
| 18:25.48 | freebase | is there a way to check if AA and True type are enabled? |
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| 18:35.23 | sambaw | is any one using ohter os/linux on lattop using express card |
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| 18:41.09 | final_frontier | hi everyone |
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| 18:43.28 | StyXman | is there any way convert a partition inside lvm to a common partition? the lvm volume only has this partittion inside... |
| 18:44.05 | final_frontier | what do you have inside the partition? |
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| 18:48.10 | riot | whats the reason my /proc/bus/usb/ is empty? |
| 18:48.39 | zinx | probably because you don't have usbfs, or usbfs isn't mounted |
| 18:48.55 | zinx | doesn't sound very debian to m |
| 18:48.56 | zinx | e |
| 18:49.50 | riot | hmmm. i think i missed something during kernel building.. oops. |
| 18:49.53 | riot | thanks :) |
| 18:50.21 | riot | explains, why my bluetooth-dongle doesn't do anything except pop up in lsusb |
| 18:50.36 | riot | (it does, right?) |
| 18:51.06 | zinx | dunno |
| 18:51.09 | riot | oh, its in, statically |
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| 18:51.21 | riot | so, not mounted maybe |
| 18:51.29 | zinx | 'mounted'? |
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| 18:51.34 | zinx | oh, usbfs |
| 18:51.40 | zinx | Debian mounts it in an init script |
| 18:51.47 | riot | hmmm. |
| 18:51.52 | zinx | if you have it and it's not getting mounted, you're not using Debian :P |
| 18:51.57 | riot | it should show up in mounts output? |
| 18:52.01 | zinx | yes |
| 18:52.06 | riot | i'm using debian but with a selfbuilt kernel |
| 18:52.07 | zinx | well, i'm using /proc/mounts |
| 18:52.18 | zinx | not sure if it shows up when using old-style mtab |
| 18:52.20 | riot | ok, its missing. |
| 18:52.23 | riot | even there |
| 18:52.30 | riot | strange, in a way |
| 18:52.44 | \amethyst | riot: it should have been mounted by mountkernfs.sh during boot |
| 18:52.49 | riot | which init-script is that, you mentioned? |
| 18:52.50 | zinx | procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
| 18:52.55 | zinx | ^^ |
| 18:53.13 | riot | uh.. |
| 18:53.31 | inBetween | hi, does somebody know how to create an "empty" file with a certain size. The only way I know is via dd if=/dev/null of=/file..... |
| 18:53.50 | riot | inBetween: thats the best way, only you should use /dev/zero, imho |
| 18:53.55 | \amethyst | inBetween: does it have to allocate that much space, or can it use sparse blocks? |
| 18:54.29 | inBetween | what is the difference? |
| 18:55.14 | inBetween | It should reserve the space so I can fill it up later |
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| 18:55.58 | inBetween | oh of course, I meant /dev/zero ^^ |
| 18:56.06 | Supermiguel | So for a file server whats better raid 5 or 1?? |
| 18:56.11 | simonrvn | riot: self-built kernel or not *doesn't matter* |
| 18:56.14 | riot | hmm, still no driver associated to my epox-bt-dongle :( |
| 18:56.22 | zinx | !better |
| 18:56.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 18:56.23 | inBetween | but that way it takes a lot of time when the file is large (about 20 GB) |
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| 18:56.42 | riot | simonrvn: i used debian sources/patches and just updated its .config |
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| 18:57.17 | rockyrock | hi guys, can I install Debian with minimum packages? |
| 18:57.20 | simonrvn | it wouldn't matter.... if the usb stuff exists the init script will mount it. |
| 18:57.26 | gparent | yes Rockj |
| 18:57.29 | gparent | rockyrock |
| 18:57.29 | gparent | * |
| 18:57.50 | riot | simonrvn: hmm, yet it didn't. I mounted it manually. Strange. |
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| 18:58.14 | riot | simonrvn: the selfbuilt kernel was a kludge anyway, i see, if i can upgrade to a stock by now. |
| 18:58.16 | rockyrock | I know that the first CD that is needed to install Debian is about 600MB!! My laptop is too old |
| 18:58.32 | gparent | Then you have the wrong CD. |
| 18:58.37 | gparent | Get the 140 MB~~~ one |
| 18:58.40 | gparent | It will download the needed packages |
| 18:58.46 | riot | called netboot |
| 18:58.58 | gparent | Even the 600 MB one won't install every package unless you ask it to, AFAIK. |
| 18:59.01 | simonrvn | ... |
| 18:59.06 | rockyrock | gparent: what does netboot CD contain? |
| 18:59.13 | gparent | The installer. |
| 18:59.14 | riot | netinst i mean :/ |
| 18:59.25 | simonrvn | IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A CUSTOM KERNEL OR NOT |
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| 18:59.58 | riot | !tell rockyrock -about netinst |
| 18:59.59 | rockyrock | does it contain any packages? |
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| 19:00.11 | gparent | You just asked me what it contained |
| 19:00.15 | gparent | I answered "The installer" |
| 19:00.23 | gparent | Did I answer "The installer and many additional packagesB" |
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| 19:00.55 | riot | rockyrock: its sufficient for basic system administraton and thus installing debian |
| 19:01.43 | rockyrock | gparent: isn't 140MB too big for an installer? |
| 19:02.01 | riot | rockyrock: if it were, it'd be smaller. |
| 19:02.04 | gparent | No, the Debian team probably stuff it with pictures of lesbian porn. |
| 19:02.39 | rockyrock | As I read on Linuxonscratch.com that the bas Linux system could be less than 5MB |
| 19:02.44 | inBetween | <\amethyst>: ah, thx sparse is what I need. And easy to acquire if you know how ;) dd of=/file bs=1k seek=20M count=0. saves me a lot of time.. |
| 19:02.49 | rockyrock | *base |
| 19:02.54 | mathias | hi, I have a problem that seems to occur quite spontaneously. Sometimes I cannot start HVM guests in XEN and I found out that this must be related to xen not being able to create a loop device for the ISO Image in the HVM guest's CDROM drive. Please take a look at this http://pastebin.com/m168e699c . What's going on here? |
| 19:03.09 | gparent | The base LFS system probably won't be enough for debian, then. |
| 19:03.47 | riot | gparent: O rly?? *grabs disc*searches* |
| 19:04.00 | rockyrock | gparent: do I get a desktop after installing that 140MB CD? |
| 19:04.09 | rockyrock | or just a BASH |
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| 19:05.16 | gparent | You get whatever you ask for |
| 19:05.26 | gparent | And it downloads the packages needed to make whatever you ask for work |
| 19:05.36 | gparent | This may include a FTP server, a desktop, etc |
| 19:05.47 | gparent | There's about 9 tick boxes or so if I remember correctly |
| 19:05.53 | gparent | checkboxes* |
| 19:07.52 | rockyrock | I don't want it to install anything (as I understood I can do that) cuz I have a dialup and I bought the DVDs that contains all debian packages, so after I install the base system I will install what I need from those DVDs |
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| 19:11.26 | n3kl | Hello all. Are there stock debian kernels available that do not have an initrd? |
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| 19:13.33 | hjb | n3kl: not that i'm aware of. Why don't you try packages.debian.org and see for yourself? |
| 19:14.30 | hjb | n3kl: btw. if you know that you don't6 need an initrd for some task you should be able to built a propoer kernel ;) |
| 19:15.18 | Supermiguel | any one knows if a MB with a Raid controller SB750 is comatible with debian? |
| 19:15.28 | Supermiguel | compatible* |
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| 19:15.56 | sylar | I am trying to install flashblock on iceweasel and it claims that the rdf is malformed |
| 19:16.04 | sylar | what can I do about it? |
| 19:16.47 | reber | is it possible to disable console-setup ? how ? |
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| 19:19.27 | bookmark | does anyone at all know something about making an initrd.img for a now compiled kernel? |
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| 19:22.48 | reber | splashy freezes when "setting up console font and keymap". Ideas ? |
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| 19:27.26 | gazra | Can someone tell me what would be the best option for a Doocument Management System? |
| 19:27.39 | bookmark | like reader? |
| 19:28.06 | bookmark | im outty be back in a few days |
| 19:28.37 | gparent | word |
| 19:29.46 | n3kl | hjb: I was avoiding manually compiling, but I'll take a look. Thanks. |
| 19:29.46 | simonrvn | sentence |
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| 19:35.07 | sanguisdex | So I have decided to be come a big boy and move from ubuntu to debian. just completed the install very impressive with the home dir partitionaing in the install. but I am just trying to jump start my self. IS there a repo like medibuntu for debian? |
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| 19:36.15 | mathias | sanguisdex: use synaptic and mark all repositories and channels. if you miss something check the backports |
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| 19:37.07 | abrotman | sanguisdex: which packages are you looking for? |
| 19:39.13 | sanguisdex | mathias: abrotman: the medibuntu repo was a quick way to install avi codecs and flash and skype. things like that |
| 19:39.35 | abrotman | sanguisdex: not sure about skype, but there is debian-multimedia.org |
| 19:39.37 | mathias | sanguisdex: I know |
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| 19:40.07 | mathias | skype is not in debian-multimedia I think - I usually install it using dpkg and --force-architecture |
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| 19:40.15 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 19:40.42 | mathias | abrotman: wtf regarding dpkg --force-architecture? :D |
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| 19:40.56 | mathias | well that's because there's no DEB für amd64 ;) |
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| 19:41.55 | abrotman | you don't even know if he has amd64 ? |
| 19:42.06 | safruhani | hi, which rss reader do you recommend? |
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| 19:42.13 | mathias | abrotman: yes sry |
| 19:42.39 | mathias | abrotman: but implicitly I told him there's a debian package ^^ |
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| 19:42.48 | errorx | what package should i install so i can use GET or POST via shell ? |
| 19:42.54 | abrotman | thinks that's pretty obvious at skype.com ... |
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| 19:43.29 | abrotman | be nice if skype had a lenny package |
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| 19:45.19 | petemc | errorx: libwww-perl |
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| 19:46.32 | errorx | thanks petemc! |
| 19:46.51 | petemc | np |
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| 19:47.59 | Mithran | How, exactly, does one add the contrib and non-free repositories to lenny? |
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| 19:48.40 | simonrvn | with an editor usually |
| 19:49.15 | Mithran | I understand how to add repositories, just not the specific strings to add for those. |
| 19:49.37 | simonrvn | you have them already, just plop them on after "main" |
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| 19:50.10 | nan8 | Mithran: "lenny main contrib non-free" |
| 19:51.09 | darkmatta | when does support for etch ends? |
| 19:51.28 | petemc | darkmatta: /msg dpkg etch |
| 19:51.45 | darkmatta | oh |
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| 19:52.26 | darkmatta | thx |
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| 19:55.06 | Mithran | Aha. Thanks. |
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| 20:06.05 | mefiX | hi debian-community |
| 20:06.34 | mefiX | do the commands of cronjobs have to be set into "" if they have more than one arg? |
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| 20:07.29 | avtobiff | mefiX, i have a few ideas. 1) try it out, 2) read the docs about the behaviour :) |
| 20:07.53 | DusteD | or look at the existing crontab |
| 20:07.57 | DusteD | but no, they don't |
| 20:07.57 | avtobiff | but generally i don't think you have to escape the commands. don't take my word for it though, read the docs. |
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| 20:09.20 | mefiX | i've already looked into existing crontabs (namely .hourly ...) |
| 20:09.41 | DusteD | according to my /etc/crontab, you don't have to |
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| 20:10.57 | darkmatta | no, it isn't necessary in crontab |
| 20:10.59 | mefiX | DusteD: ok thx, then it has to be some other mistake made by me |
| 20:11.39 | mefiX | "12 22 * * *" should schedule the desired task at 22:12 every day, every week, right? |
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| 20:13.04 | mefiX | i've already restarted the cron daemon /etc/init.d/cron restart |
| 20:13.24 | mefiX | i used # export EDITOR="vi" |
| 20:13.29 | mefiX | then # crontab -e |
| 20:13.32 | abrotman | mefiX: which file? and what's the full line ? |
| 20:13.39 | abrotman | so root's crontab? |
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| 20:13.43 | mefiX | yes |
| 20:14.10 | mefiX | is root not allowed to have cronjobs? |
| 20:14.18 | nan8 | mefiX: using crontab -e - the crontab should be checked after editing and issue a (hopefully) useful error message? |
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| 20:15.02 | mefiX | crontab -l shows me the correct entries i've added |
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| 20:15.16 | mefiX | unfortunately i don't see any error messages |
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| 20:16.05 | nan8 | mefiX: the output of cron jobs is usually sent via mail to postmaster |
| 20:16.14 | nan8 | mefiX: maybe check your mail |
| 20:16.22 | mefiX | i added >/dev/null 2&>1 |
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| 20:18.30 | mefiX | ok, weird, it works for a normal user |
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| 20:21.23 | nan8 | mefiX: maybe you edited /etc/crontab directly and missed that there is a user field? |
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| 20:21.43 | mefiX | nan8: i used # crontab -e |
| 20:21.48 | luklew | hi! XFCE4 or kde-core? i'm installing on EeePC 900 |
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| 20:22.43 | darkmatta | I'd install xfce4 |
| 20:22.44 | mefiX | confusingly, at the time the user-process started, the root-process previously declared was also started, so maybe there was some deferred action happening |
| 20:23.01 | luklew | thanks dark |
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| 20:25.32 | gparent | Is it possible to see the cronjobs of all users? I keep getting emails about a cronjob returning 1 because it's stupidly trying to remove an application that doesn't exist anymore |
| 20:25.42 | gparent | to launch an application* |
| 20:26.09 | abrotman | gparent: probably /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
| 20:26.26 | abrotman | and /etc/crontab .. and /etc/cron.daily/ /etc/cron.weekly/ /etc/cron.monthly/ |
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| 20:27.39 | gparent | Removed it |
| 20:27.39 | gparent | Thanks |
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| 20:46.19 | Mithran | Hrm... okay... I'm new to Debian, been using Ubuntu, so I haven't had to deal with this before... why doesn't my user have permissions to read a partition I mounted with a simple sudo mount -t [type] [locations] command? |
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| 20:50.53 | jelly-home | Mithran: if it's an ntfs, vfat or other filesystem without real unix permissions, you'll have to add uid= and gid= options for mout |
| 20:51.07 | jelly-home | mount. |
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| 20:52.05 | Mithran | d'oh! Users can mount in debian? |
| 20:52.14 | jelly-home | Mithran: if you merely want readonly access, there are umask (and dirumask and fileumask) options; man mount |
| 20:52.37 | jelly-home | Mithran: I didn't say that |
| 20:52.40 | Mithran | No, full access. |
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| 20:52.58 | jelly-home | (but yes, it can be arranged) |
| 20:53.09 | treefrog | any suggestions for a irc bouncer? |
| 20:53.18 | treefrog | znc does not seem to support multiple servers |
| 20:53.23 | treefrog | and its the only one i found in the repo |
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| 20:54.48 | treefrog | (debian description says it supports multiple servers but i think it might be lies) |
| 20:55.02 | treefrog | (no official documentation mention multiple servers and to what i see its not possible) |
| 20:57.12 | TiMiDo | !factoids |
| 20:57.12 | dpkg | Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php or ask me about <help listkeys>, <help-listvals> or <search>. Also, my factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
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| 20:59.15 | darkmatta | cu |
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| 20:59.21 | Mithran | Okay, that wasn't helpful at all. I don't see any part of the default options that should cause my user to be unable to read/write, much less simply read, a mounted partition. |
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| 21:00.50 | jelly-home | Mithran: look under "Mount options for ntfs" |
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| 21:01.36 | jelly-home | (if that indeed is the filesystem in question) |
| 21:02.27 | jelly-home | Mithran: so, which filesystem is it? |
| 21:02.48 | Mithran | ntfs |
| 21:03.13 | jelly-home | Mithran: /msg dpkg ntfsrw |
| 21:04.30 | jelly-home | a fstab line like "/dev/sda1 /win ntfs-3g defaults,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022 0 0" works for me |
| 21:06.24 | Mithran | Probably wouldn't for me at the moment, since I'm using ntfsprogs. |
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| 21:07.01 | Mithran | I'm still somewhat puzzled why this extra stuff is required when the defaults worked for me under Fedora and Ubuntu. |
| 21:07.43 | jelly-home | Mithran: noone bothered to make more sensible defaults yet |
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| 21:09.51 | jelly-home | expect more unpolished details like this in Debian |
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| 21:11.33 | mathias | I just install GPLPV drivers in Windows Server 2003 R2. Starting shutdownmon with -i failed. Windows told me I cannot do it for some reason, but xm shutdown gracefully shuts down the machine so I guess everything is fine. Now when I start Windows it says a service could not be started. Does anybody know this problem? |
| 21:12.04 | jelly-home | mathias: try ##windows |
| 21:12.06 | Mithran | Hrm, okay. Well, thanks. Those settings seemed to work. |
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| 21:15.04 | jelly-home | mathias: or a Xen related channel |
| 21:15.06 | jelly-home | !xen |
| 21:15.07 | dpkg | xen is probably an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen, although compatibility is maintained for user applications. Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen . #debian-xen @ irc.oftc.net. See also <virtualization>. |
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| 21:17.21 | redstick | should apt-get find BitchX and install it without editinf sources? |
| 21:17.39 | dv_ | hey any suggestions for a FS for a 933gb partition? |
| 21:17.59 | dv_ | I found that reiser replays the journals when booting every time - and it takes a LONG time |
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| 21:22.18 | gbear14275 | does debian have "disk usage analyzer" as part of their accesories... or is that an ubuntu thing? |
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| 21:27.23 | action09 | gbear14275 kdirstat maybe (aptitude show kdirstat) |
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| 21:33.12 | stevenmbp | hello |
| 21:33.32 | stevenmbp | is there something i must do after changing PasswordAuthentication inside /etc/ssh/sshd_config, to get it to work? |
| 21:33.51 | stevenmbp | because im trying to `scp` from another server, but it keeps giving a key-related error, even though i just now set PasswordAuthentication to yes and saved |
| 21:34.20 | Polarina | stevenmbp: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh reload |
| 21:34.24 | stevenmbp | ahhh thanks |
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| 21:35.12 | stevenmbp | woo that worked 100% |
| 21:35.14 | stevenmbp | Polarina++ |
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| 21:43.45 | bododo | hi folks :) |
| 21:44.33 | bododo | since 2 days now, my laptop doesn't shutdown properly. It hangs at "stopping portmap". Anyone's having the same behavior? (I'm on Lenny xfce ppc) |
| 21:45.18 | bododo | I even tried to stop portmap before shuttind down but it didn't work |
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| 21:46.10 | donald | bododo: do you need portmap? |
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| 21:46.52 | bododo | donald: I guess no... |
| 21:47.08 | bododo | donald: I thought it was installed by default by Lenny's installation |
| 21:47.16 | \amethyst | fam probably pulled it in |
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| 21:47.32 | bododo | fam? waht's fam? |
| 21:47.33 | donald | bododo: yes. You may remove it from runlevels with update-rc.d -f portmap remove |
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| 21:48.10 | \amethyst | file alteration monitor.. it uses portmap to support alteration notification for remote filesystems |
| 21:48.22 | bododo | ah now that we're at update-rc, I remember what changed and probably caused this! I wrote mt firewall.sh script and added it to init.d |
| 21:48.53 | bododo | \amethyst: then, no, I don't need it :) |
| 21:49.14 | bododo | s/mt/my |
| 21:49.17 | donald | bododo: update-rc.d is to manage init scripts in the runlevels. |
| 21:49.26 | \amethyst | bododo: you can try install 'gamin', which is a local-only implementation of the same protocol |
| 21:49.29 | jo4 | how can i find out what package a specific program is from? |
| 21:49.36 | ISIIS | Hi all :) I've tried to install Debian on my PC. But.... installation can't detect my Network card. AND I haven't got diskettes :D any idea? |
| 21:49.37 | bododo | donald: yes, I used it to "install" my custom firewall script |
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| 21:49.54 | donald | bododo: yes. |
| 21:49.58 | \amethyst | bododo: is this firewall.sh running on shutdown? |
| 21:50.18 | bododo | \amethyst: no, no it only adds rules to iptables |
| 21:50.22 | bododo | I start/stop it |
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| 21:52.07 | bododo | \amethyst: here is it btw: http://pastebin.com/m7f29ff44 |
| 21:52.32 | \amethyst | bododo: and is it linked to from rc0.d or rc6.d ? |
| 21:52.36 | bododo | I added it to /etc/init.d and then run update-rc.d firewall.sh start 40 S . stop 89 0 6 . |
| 21:53.13 | bododo | so init runs the start and the stop, doesn't it? |
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| 21:53.19 | donald | bododo: I have an similar firewall script. |
| 21:53.40 | bododo | donald: can you please post it? This is my first one :) |
| 21:54.08 | donald | bododo: oh sorry. It is on a system where i do not have acces to at the moment. |
| 21:54.15 | bododo | maybe it's my firewall's fault after all? |
| 21:54.24 | bododo | donald: no pb :) |
| 21:54.42 | \amethyst | hm |
| 21:54.45 | \amethyst | I'm confused |
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| 21:54.57 | \amethyst | why does portmap have /etc/rc0.d/S32portmap ? |
| 21:54.58 | bododo | ? |
| 21:55.30 | donald | bododo: What is when you first stop your FW script and after that stop portmap. Does it also hang? |
| 21:55.41 | loco | hi, after building a custom kernel , if i forgot to add a module what can i do now, do i need to recompile the whole thing again? |
| 21:56.23 | donald | loco: No just configure your kernel with the mudule as "M" and then make modules; make modules_install |
| 21:56.25 | bododo | donald: yes, it does. I stopped portmap and my FW and it hang |
| 21:56.37 | bododo | (when I tried to shutdown) |
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| 21:57.02 | donald | bododo: hmm... i would try to completly remove portmap, when you don't use it. |
| 21:57.02 | h2oman | exit |
| 21:57.38 | bododo | \amethyst: what's wrong with /etc/rc0.d/S32portmap ? |
| 21:58.06 | bododo | donald: I'll simply remove it since it looks like I don't need it |
| 21:58.11 | loco | donald, let me tell you how i did it, first it was make menuconfig, make-kpkg clean , make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers, then installed the both with dpkg, what you said will do if i built it this way? |
| 21:58.16 | bododo | wonder what depends on it, right now |
| 21:58.41 | \amethyst | bododo: I was confused that it started with S, as that is usually a start script |
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| 21:59.00 | \amethyst | bododo: but now I see... in runlevel 0 and 6, it's run with 'stop' even if it is a S link |
| 21:59.15 | \amethyst | bododo: what's happening, I think, is that your firewall.sh is stopping *before* portmap is stopped |
| 21:59.24 | bododo | \amethyst: it should have been K? right? |
| 21:59.37 | bododo | \amethyst: so? |
| 21:59.50 | donald | loco: oh ok you made a deb file for your kernel. Then i am not sure. Try make menuconfig, add your missing module and then make-kpkg (without the clean command) |
| 21:59.51 | \amethyst | bododo: portmap might be trying to do something on the network before it stops |
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| 22:00.01 | bododo | ah! |
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| 22:00.25 | bododo | so the firewall should stop *after*? |
| 22:00.36 | loco | donald, ok |
| 22:00.38 | loco | thanks |
| 22:00.39 | \amethyst | bododo: yes, probably |
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| 22:01.05 | \amethyst | bododo: try update-rc.d firewall.sh start 40 S . start 42 0 6 . |
| 22:01.10 | bododo | \amethyst: can I simply create another link? or should I use that update.rc (not use dto it) |
| 22:01.18 | bododo | ok :) |
| 22:01.33 | StyXman | hi again. I run debian sid and I have a source that includes <stdarg.h> and spects either __va_copy or va_copy to be defined. I have libc6-dev installed, but neither is defined in that .h. is this an elibc bug? |
| 22:01.43 | \amethyst | bododo: that makes it run after S32portmap and S40umountfs |
| 22:01.57 | \amethyst | bododo: even though it says 'start', in runlevel 0 and 6 it will really be stopped |
| 22:02.08 | \amethyst | bododo: but the 'start' scripts run after the 'stop' scripts |
| 22:02.30 | bododo | System startup links for /etc/init.d/firewall.sh already exist. |
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| 22:03.02 | bododo | :( |
| 22:03.24 | bododo | I guess i'll have to read update-rc's man |
| 22:03.57 | \amethyst | bododo: try update-rc.d -f firewall.sh remove |
| 22:04.05 | bododo | no man? |
| 22:04.15 | bododo | and do what you've said before? |
| 22:04.15 | \amethyst | man update-rc.d |
| 22:04.56 | bododo | ok, thanks :) |
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| 22:05.35 | bododo | ok, done! so now I should test a restart? |
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| 22:05.52 | StyXman | I notice that /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.3/include/stdarg.h has it |
| 22:06.06 | StyXman | and that the #include by itself is not failing |
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| 22:06.56 | \amethyst | bododo: yeah |
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| 22:07.16 | bododo | ok, brb! cross fingers for me :) |
| 22:07.20 | \amethyst | bododo: just to verify, you now have /etc/rc0.d/S42firewall.sh ? |
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| 22:07.40 | bododo | well that's what update-rc.d said |
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| 22:07.45 | bododo | checking it out... |
| 22:08.12 | bododo | yes, it is there |
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| 22:08.23 | bododo | restarting... brb :) |
| 22:08.27 | \amethyst | bododo: good, so now it should run *after* networking is taken down |
| 22:08.29 | \amethyst | good luck |
| 22:08.38 | bododo | thanks again! |
| 22:09.46 | sanguisdex | so I have been having trouble getting the ati drivers to work. so I decided to try using envy I downlaed the .deb file and it opens but when I click on install nothering happens. what am I doing wrong? |
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| 22:10.45 | azeem | sanguisdex: hard to say; are you installing it with gdebi? |
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| 22:11.20 | sanguisdex | azeem: yes I am trying to |
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| 22:11.26 | Sanesmith | not sure if I should ask this here but |
| 22:12.24 | Sanesmith | I migrated a webserver from a 32-bit server to a 64-bit one |
| 22:12.31 | azeem | sanguisdex: sorry, I don't know gdebi very well |
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| 22:12.38 | azeem | sanguisdex: maybe check its documentation |
| 22:12.41 | Sanesmith | did a mysql backup, tarballed the www dir |
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| 22:12.56 | Sanesmith | http://thermoking.ca |
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| 22:13.08 | sanguisdex | azeem: can you recommend a different way of installing deb files? |
| 22:13.12 | Sanesmith | when I click on english, then a link on the english site, it takes me to a french page |
| 22:13.18 | sanguisdex | that is just how I am always doen it |
| 22:13.21 | sanguisdex | done |
| 22:13.22 | Sanesmith | this only happens on the 64-bit lenny server |
| 22:13.29 | Sanesmith | any ideas what the cause might be? |
| 22:13.51 | \amethyst | Sanesmith: doesn't happen for me |
| 22:14.11 | bluethundr | what's the best way to check which application is running at port 8180? |
| 22:14.18 | Sanesmith | \amethyst: so you clicked english, then one of the top menu links? |
| 22:14.44 | azeem | Sanesmith: uh, are you spamming your website in here? |
| 22:14.49 | \amethyst | Sanesmith: oh, no, I clicked one of the links in the text |
| 22:15.12 | Sanesmith | \amethyst: if you click any of the top menu links, it takes you to a french page |
| 22:15.26 | Sanesmith | this only happens on lenny 64-bit and not on the old 32-bit lenny server |
| 22:15.40 | unop | bluethundr, netstat |
| 22:15.42 | \amethyst | Sanesmith: hm |
| 22:15.58 | bluethundr | unop: no flags? |
| 22:16.16 | Sanesmith | to migrate I made a tarball of /www and mysqldump -u database.sql |
| 22:16.18 | \amethyst | Sanesmith: the top links go to http://thermoking.ca/... which seems to always give french |
| 22:16.31 | \amethyst | Sanesmith: If you change it to www.thermoking.ca it's in English again |
| 22:16.42 | \amethyst | Sanesmith: so I'm guessing something funny with your apache config |
| 22:16.42 | Sanesmith | \amethyst: and I don't understand why it only does that on 64-bit |
| 22:16.46 | unop | bluethundr, yes, there is one .. I have to refer to the manpage |
| 22:16.53 | \amethyst | Sanesmith: it might not be 64-bit, but a change in the apache config |
| 22:17.01 | bluethundr | unop: k thx |
| 22:17.06 | \amethyst | Sanesmith: you said you backed up /www, but did you back up the apache config files? |
| 22:17.30 | Sanesmith | \amethyst: no, only the two aforementioned |
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| 22:18.25 | \amethyst | Sanesmith: odd... now it's backwards |
| 22:18.37 | \amethyst | Sanesmith: the top links always give English now, and adding www makes it French |
| 22:18.42 | \amethyst | Sanesmith: did you just change something? |
| 22:18.45 | riot | is nvidia-kernel-source in unstable broken right now? |
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| 22:19.16 | riot | building the module fails with no relly informative error in m-a |
| 22:19.21 | \amethyst | Sanesmith: oh, and now it's doing something different if I add www... I guess you're changing something as we speak :) |
| 22:19.28 | Sanesmith | \amethyst: yeah, I'm messing with the configs |
| 22:19.39 | Sanesmith | thanks a bunch for pointing it out though, I think this might be the problem |
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| 22:22.26 | bododo | Back!! :) |
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| 22:22.58 | bododo | \amethyst: it WORKED! You guess was right! :) |
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| 22:24.07 | \amethyst | bododo: congrats! |
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| 22:24.51 | bododo | \amethyst: Thanks to YOU! |
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| 22:27.10 | bododo | Now, I may be the stupidest here, but I want to have a static address for my wlan0 (tired of waiting for dhcp to give me an adresse with wicd) So I wrote this: http://pastebin.com/m4a5c6717 is it ok? |
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| 22:28.17 | bododo | tried it but it didn't worked. |
| 22:28.18 | donald | bododo: adress should be address |
| 22:28.36 | bododo | ouch! official! I told you I was stupid :) |
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| 22:29.06 | unop | bododo, I'm guessing you also need a line that says auto wlan0 |
| 22:29.11 | bododo | so, now if I do /etc/init.d/networking restart will it work? |
| 22:29.25 | bododo | unop: what does this mean? |
| 22:29.53 | unop | it means the interface is brought up automatically instead of manually |
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| 22:30.03 | bododo | I mean, I understand the other parts, but not "auto" |
| 22:30.05 | bluethundr | does this tell me that tomcat is running? http://pastebin.com/d39d4955b |
| 22:30.14 | bododo | ah! Thanks! yes, I'd like that |
| 22:30.30 | bododo | unop: just under inet static? |
| 22:30.43 | unop | bododo, just before actually |
| 22:31.36 | bododo | unop: ok, but what if I'm plugged with a wire to a place where I don't have wifi? |
| 22:31.46 | bododo | should I add auto eth0 as well? |
| 22:32.12 | unop | bododo, yes |
| 22:32.22 | bododo | ok, greatè testing it now :) |
| 22:32.26 | bododo | thanks again! |
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| 22:32.56 | bododo | testing static inet, brb |
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| 22:42.05 | glicks | excuse me does anyone kow of a good reliable webhosting service that provides linux, and django and mail forwarding? |
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| 22:54.29 | bododo | :( static address for my wlan0 didn't worked |
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| 23:06.55 | bluethundr | glicks: not sure about django and mail forwarding, but slicehost is a nice, cheap option that provides lenny as a choice |
| 23:06.57 | hdon | what is /proc/buddyinfo ? |
| 23:07.04 | hdon | just out of curiosity |
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| 23:08.54 | avu | hdon, Documentation/filesystems/prox.txt |
| 23:09.17 | avu | proc.txt even |
| 23:10.15 | hdon | hmm, the only proc.txt i have is for 2.4 kernel |
| 23:10.19 | hdon | googles |
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| 23:11.08 | avu | just install the kernel-source package from debian. or maybe there's even a kernel-doc package just containing the documentation |
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| 23:11.51 | avu | (there is) |
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| 23:43.34 | kristian_ | is gnome-looks.org the place to look for skins? |
| 23:43.49 | wooj | skins for what? or do you mean GTK themes? |
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| 23:46.01 | kristian_ | I've never tried installing... I mean a graphical interface |
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| 23:47.10 | wooj | you don't have X installed? |
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| 23:47.39 | kristian_ | I've not installed it yet |
| 23:48.01 | kristian_ | I mean, I have not installed anything yet... still on my old OS, just want to be prepared ;) |
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| 23:48.14 | hoohaah | yes gnome--looks has the largest collection |
| 23:48.52 | hoohaah | be aware that a lot of the newer skins rely on development versions of gtk-engines, which cannaot be found on debian repos |
| 23:49.45 | wooj | yeah, murrine, etc |
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| 23:49.51 | wooj | you might have to install them from source. |
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| 23:50.10 | hoohaah | this does not prevent you from building it from source yourself, but expect no support for build/install of said packages, here |
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| 23:50.53 | wooj | if you have to build something from source, I'd suggest making a .deb of it, or using something like Stow. |
| 23:51.48 | hoohaah | xtow ;) |
| 23:52.17 | hoohaah | xstow, even |
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| 23:52.50 | wooj | hm not familiar with xstow, how does it differ? |
| 23:52.58 | wooj | I just use plain old stow. |
| 23:53.45 | Zharf | I somehow doubt it differs much |
| 23:54.17 | matt7676 | I installed GTA VC game under Debian. I have nVidia GF 8600 GTS graphicks card(drivers are nVidia 180.51) and 1024x768@85Hz CRT monitor. The problem is that when I start GTA VC, the refresh rate goes from normal 85Hz to 87Hz(interlaced) and the image qualityu is poor during gaming. Why does the refresh rate change when i start the game? |
| 23:54.33 | kristian_ | but, will there be icons etc by default? |
| 23:55.30 | action09 | matt7676 what is GTA VC please ? for my information, any link/url please N ? |
| 23:55.36 | action09 | administrateur |
| 23:55.40 | action09 | damn |
| 23:55.41 | action09 | :) |
| 23:55.41 | Polarina | action09: It is a computer game. |
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| 23:55.53 | action09 | Polarina i know gta , but gta vc ... |
| 23:56.05 | Polarina | action09: GTA: Vice City? |
| 23:56.09 | action09 | aaaaaaah |
| 23:56.13 | action09 | sorry içt's too late |
| 23:56.26 | matt7676 | action09:: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_Vice_City |
| 23:56.46 | action09 | anyway i was connecting to a virtualbox and type login 'administrateur' here :) really too late |
| 23:57.08 | matt7676 | action09: lol |
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| 23:57.51 | anternat | hi |
| 23:57.54 | anternat | will i need debian iso when i have ubuntu server ?,, |
| 23:58.33 | Polarina | action09: French? |
| 23:58.46 | action09 | anternat no matter two different things.. |
| 23:58.50 | action09 | Polarina oui :) |
| 23:58.54 | kristian_ | something like this and I'll be fine: http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=5900309894933d5e3d5e15&p=screen |
| 23:59.03 | kristian_ | can always add eyecandy later |
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| 23:59.57 | anternat | action09 really "different" ? |
