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| 00:01.58 | action09 | anternat your question is asking if you have to need debian iso when having an ubuntu server.. ubuntu is ubuntu and use ubuntu's iso, pacakges...etc, Debian is Debian and use it's own packages/isos too. THere are similarities certainly but you can't definitely mix 'afely' these two distros |
| 00:02.47 | anternat | yup, but since i was thinking ubuntu is already based on debian... |
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| 00:03.20 | bookmark | what up yallz |
| 00:03.21 | action09 | anternat yes similarities, anyway to use/install/remove packages, use your distros repositories, iso..etc :) |
| 00:03.25 | bookmark | ustedes |
| 00:04.07 | anternat | ok, still dunno what to do clearly bt ty anyway :9 |
| 00:04.09 | anternat | :) |
| 00:05.45 | action09 | anternat answer is 'no' to your question |
| 00:05.49 | action09 | anternat clearly :) |
| 00:06.08 | anternat | ty action09 |
| 00:07.05 | bookmark | does anyone know anything about creating an initrd.img? it is a step in installing a kernel after compilin one, i guess. |
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| 00:08.42 | bookmark | sigh |
| 00:09.05 | bookmark | and why is there a tempfs running on my computer? |
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| 00:11.30 | bookmark | in my ram |
| 00:11.45 | bookmark | it is like an alien symbiant |
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| 00:12.38 | action09 | bookmark maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMPFS |
| 00:12.41 | windopain | i want to use lenny live on a core 2 duo, should i download the amd64 since it's a 64bit CPU? |
| 00:13.08 | bookmark | uh... no |
| 00:13.23 | action09 | windopain i'm not sore but i'd say not i386 |
| 00:13.25 | Polarina | windopain: Yes. |
| 00:13.30 | action09 | ah !( |
| 00:13.39 | bookmark | in fact you should just install the 32bit either i386 or 686 so you can watch flash stuff |
| 00:14.00 | Polarina | bookmark: You don't need the proprietary flash player to play flash files. |
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| 00:14.13 | bookmark | the 64bit flash player doesn't work right sometimtes |
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| 00:14.38 | bookmark | i'm just tellin my advice for what its worth |
| 00:14.52 | Polarina | bookmark: You can use gnash or swfdec. |
| 00:14.55 | jmoncayo | you can use the beta 10 |
| 00:14.59 | jmoncayo | it works fine for me |
| 00:15.09 | bookmark | or you could use i386 and.... be sure |
| 00:15.22 | Polarina | windopain: I'd recommend against using the i386 version. |
| 00:15.39 | bookmark | but provide no reason |
| 00:15.46 | jmoncayo | but amd64 will work better in a 64bit |
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| 00:16.05 | bookmark | "better" |
| 00:17.10 | Polarina | bookmark: It some rare conditions it will work worse. |
| 00:17.14 | Theoden | http://67.188.51.141/jajuk.png |
| 00:17.55 | Theoden | http://jajuk.info/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 00:18.17 | matt7676 | where are "Documents and Settings" ehn using Wine? |
| 00:18.22 | matt7676 | *when |
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| 00:18.45 | action09 | matt7676 look in ~/.wine ....etc (im not sure) |
| 00:19.00 | Polarina | matt7676: Look under ~/.wine/drive_c/users/<user>/ |
| 00:19.40 | action09 | matt7676 you could have find it with find. fin /home/you -iname *settings* |
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| 00:19.47 | action09 | s/fin/find |
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| 00:20.33 | matt7676 | Polarina: I have no "users" folder there. Just "Program Files" and "Windows" |
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| 00:21.34 | Polarina | matt7676: That folder is then probably not yet created. |
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| 00:30.16 | hoohaah | hello. I'm using sid. I would like to track grml repo (testing) for only one specific package (zsh-lovers) Is it possible to create rules to only consider zsh-lovers in a list of updates? |
| 00:30.41 | hoohaah | i understand that it's easier to fetch it manually as it's only a manpage, but I'd rather keep uptodate |
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| 00:32.11 | ward- | how do i configure my wacom tablet with debian stable? |
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| 00:50.20 | burd | one of my admins let his personal server go.. it's got a botnet bot on it.. I can see the port it is on, where it is connected which I am on that irc network right now, but I cannot trace down where the bot is actually located on the server.. any help would be appreciated.. |
| 00:51.31 | jmd | How do I change the default editor from that horrible nano thing? |
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| 00:52.07 | Polarina | jmd: vi is horrible on my eyes and nano is great. Seriously, how does one exit vi? |
| 00:52.18 | jmd | Polarina, q |
| 00:52.25 | unop | ESC :q! |
| 00:52.29 | Polarina | :O |
| 00:52.30 | pngwn | jmd, update-alternatives --config editor |
| 00:52.30 | agaran | ZZ |
| 00:52.33 | ward- | how do i configure my wacom tablet with debian stable, please? |
| 00:52.46 | burd | rk hunter doesnt find this thing and neither does chkrootkit btw |
| 00:52.56 | burd | but the machine is definitely rootkited |
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| 00:53.41 | petemc | burd: its highly likely whatever its doing on the irc server is hidden, better to tackle the problem on your server, which is to say you should take down your server at the earliest possible chance and consider any files on it to be potentially compromised |
| 00:54.13 | jmd | Polarina, maybe you're not a native english speaker, in which case perhaps I can understand your aversion to vi. But for anyone who knows English, pretending not to remember the mnemnonics of vi is just silly. |
| 00:54.19 | hoohaah | hmv, i'll just dpkg -i the sole package |
| 00:54.26 | jmd | quit ->q |
| 00:54.30 | jmd | write -> w |
| 00:54.32 | burd | petemc: I know all of this.. I am a long way away from the server, don't want a rootkit that is unknown to rkhunter etc to get away.. if you know what I mean |
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| 00:54.35 | jmd | exit -> x |
| 00:54.36 | jmd | etc. |
| 00:55.07 | Polarina | jmd: I didn't know that ESC is for commands. |
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| 00:55.58 | burd | yah I can wipe it and start over etc etc but the admin is very limited as far as knowledge plus this isn't the only bot on the botnet, if i can help rkhunter folks learn about this thing then maybe the rest of the bots on that botnet will go away as well |
| 00:56.35 | jmd | pngwn, Thanks. |
| 00:56.46 | Polarina | jmd: Now it's stuck in "recording"... |
| 00:57.05 | agaran | Polarina: q |
| 00:57.16 | Polarina | agaran: That just types q. |
| 00:57.36 | agaran | Polarina: next in command mode stops |
| 00:57.46 | agaran | Polarina: so esc, q |
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| 00:57.58 | Polarina | agaran: Esc apparently does nothing... |
| 00:58.21 | jmd | Having sensible-editor (or sensible-* ) link to /bin/nano just flies in the face of logic. |
| 00:58.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | jmd, `update-alternatives --config editor` |
| 00:58.23 | pl_ | Hello. Is there a package/script that I can run daily and that sends me an email when package updates are available? |
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| 00:58.26 | enouf | !+tell ward- -about wacom |
| 00:58.26 | dpkg | told ward- about wacom. |
| 00:58.40 | pl_ | I would find it useful on servers, for security updates |
| 00:58.42 | ward- | thanx enouf |
| 00:58.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm, missed pngwn reply - sorry |
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| 01:00.02 | ward- | enouf, both the file and the URL are not found |
| 01:00.28 | ward- | enouf, that was kindof all usefull info :( |
| 01:00.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | pl_, apt-cache search will reveal some. a clue is cron-apt |
| 01:01.12 | agaran | Polarina: hmm on another screen what exactly you have linked as editor? vim.basic vim.tiny nvi? |
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| 01:01.32 | pl_ | Kamping_Kaiser, good hint, thank you |
| 01:01.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | pl_, np, I've got it on one of my servers :) |
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| 01:03.17 | jmd | How can I go about setting up a firewall on a virtual server ? |
| 01:03.34 | petemc | jmd: what kind of virtual server? |
| 01:03.39 | ward- | pfff this is annoying |
| 01:03.56 | jmd | petemc, xen |
| 01:04.32 | petemc | jmd: same as normal |
| 01:04.33 | ward- | configure iptables i suppose |
| 01:04.40 | petemc | ie, iptables |
| 01:05.06 | jmd | sounds dangerous to me. What if I misconfigure it, so as to lock myself out? |
| 01:05.19 | petemc | thats what xm console if for |
| 01:05.36 | jmd | xm console ? |
| 01:05.44 | ward- | lol |
| 01:06.18 | petemc | yes, its like having out of band access to a machine |
| 01:06.44 | jmd | petemc, A back door! |
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| 01:07.14 | ward- | jmd, lol are you owning the machine that this xen domU (virtual machine) runs on? |
| 01:07.15 | hoohaah | i just performed an rkhunter -c on my system |
| 01:07.18 | petemc | its only available from the dom0 |
| 01:07.27 | enouf | ward-: oh - sorry - i haven't tried to configure one - ahve you tried google cache? |
| 01:07.44 | ward- | enouf, no not yet |
| 01:07.44 | enouf | ward-: how about wiki.debian.org |
| 01:07.54 | jmd | ward-, No. |
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| 01:08.18 | jmd | And likely it'll be on the other side of the planet when I need it most. |
| 01:08.30 | ward- | jmd, xm console like petemc meant is running on the dom0 (the host) |
| 01:08.34 | hoohaah | and i noticed several hidden directors /etc/.java, /dev/.udev /dev/.initramfs |
| 01:08.37 | hoohaah | why are these hidden? |
| 01:08.50 | ward- | you can allways connect with the dom0 to your domU's that way |
| 01:09.04 | ward- | but not if you not own the dom0 of course :-) |
| 01:09.16 | enouf | ward-: there's also the various debian mailing lists at lists.debian.org (debian-user i guess might be apropos if not another) |
| 01:09.23 | ward- | i guess you need to be carefull |
| 01:10.05 | ward- | thanx enouf i don't run into a lot of trouble and when i do i normally find it with google, so i never used the wiki before |
| 01:10.22 | ward- | i found many answers trough google from the mailinglist before though |
| 01:10.36 | jmd | /sbin/ifconfig shows only lo and eth0 |
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| 01:11.40 | petemc | jmd: its easy enough to add a script that runs every 5 minutes to flush all rules if you're experimenting with iptables |
| 01:12.13 | jmd | petemc, I guess that would be a sensible precaution. |
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| 01:12.51 | redstick | whats some good light weight debian distros? |
| 01:13.00 | jmoncayo | jmd: why dont you make a crontab to send a netcat shell to your machine every N mins |
| 01:13.16 | ootput | redstick: grml |
| 01:13.29 | ootput | redstick: define 'good' |
| 01:13.30 | jmoncayo | or easier just what petemc suggested |
| 01:13.31 | jmoncayo | =] |
| 01:14.58 | redstick | something good for a laptop |
| 01:15.06 | redstick | light but purdie |
| 01:15.11 | redstick | ELive? |
| 01:15.21 | jmoncayo | i use debian =] |
| 01:15.23 | redstick | sounds like it would be a ram hog |
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| 01:17.40 | ootput | redstick: google will provide subjective answers to your question |
| 01:17.55 | ootput | this chan too, though we're less willing to find an answer for you |
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| 01:18.29 | redstick | ootput, i prefer this channels oppinion, i am aware of the site google.com |
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| 01:20.34 | ootput | once you figure out a definition to 'good' in your "whats some good light weight debian distros?", feed it to google for a quality response |
| 01:21.04 | nvz | I am trying to rsying one drive to another and for some reason its acting as though there is no difference when one reads 5.9g and the other reads 5.6g |
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| 01:21.13 | nvz | they are both fat partitions on the same drive |
| 01:21.24 | ootput | you're crafting the system for personal use |
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| 01:21.42 | nvz | tried rsync -r /mnt/nvz/ /media/nvz, and with a trailing slash |
| 01:22.15 | redstick | yeah, thats why i dont use "good" in a google search... only in live chats :/ |
| 01:22.21 | redstick | now i feel like an ass |
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| 01:26.33 | parodyoflanguage | Does anyone know what package I should research to determine how to customize the automounting of USB drives? Specifically, I would like it to be the case that when I plug in a specific USB drive, that its file system mounts in a directory in my home directory. Is this doable? |
| 01:27.05 | jmd | parodyoflanguage, There are several options. |
| 01:27.31 | parodyoflanguage | Whats a good one? :) |
| 01:27.32 | ootput | parodyoflanguage: are you after a frontend that'll allow you to create the rules? |
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| 01:27.51 | jmd | autofs the most convenient. |
| 01:28.01 | parodyoflanguage | ootput: Yes, I want to be able to configure it. |
| 01:28.08 | ward- | lol my wacom still has mouse acceleration, etc |
| 01:28.10 | parodyoflanguage | Well, what does debian use by default? |
| 01:28.14 | ward- | it doesnt work any better at all |
| 01:28.22 | ward- | unplugs it and forgets it |
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| 01:28.33 | jmd | parodyoflanguage, Nothing. |
| 01:28.37 | ward- | time to waste money on windows xp |
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| 01:28.49 | ootput | farewell |
| 01:29.04 | simon | ward-, money is never wasted on XP. it's like going to the circus. |
| 01:29.07 | ootput | badly-behaving-wacom does not justify the price |
| 01:29.15 | parodyoflanguage | jmd: Okay, thanks. I'll look into autofs. |
| 01:29.30 | ward- | ootput, yes it does if you need a wacom |
| 01:29.45 | ward- | simon, and yes it is a waste |
| 01:29.56 | ward- | bah |
| 01:29.59 | ootput | farewell |
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| 01:30.19 | ward- | i wish linux just didnt evolve anymore since the last 2 years |
| 01:30.26 | ward- | ootput, ah you are leaving? goodbye |
| 01:30.27 | simon | I'm looking for an etch precompiled kernel image with vserver support that isn't 2.6.18 and 2.6.26. I was told that there exists one for 2.6.22, but I can't find it anywhere. any hints? |
| 01:30.59 | ward- | its so frustrating because it actually used to work fine :s |
| 01:31.45 | Elite_Design_Co | i have a problem |
| 01:31.46 | Elite_Design_Co | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.47 | jmd | simon, Start compiling a kernel with the options you want, come back 30 minutes later, and - hey presto - a precompiled kernel image. |
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| 01:32.08 | Elite_Design_Co | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.34 | ootput | he'd need the headers for those virt- modules |
| 01:32.36 | simon | jmd, does it come with an option that reduces the risks of custom compiling because I haven't got physical access to the box and haven't compiled a kernel in years? ;-) |
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| 01:33.36 | jmd | It's never to late to learn, and you don't have to compile on the machine on which the kernel will run. |
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| 01:34.43 | JordiGH | When mounting a Debian partition from Knoppix, the filenames are garbled. Is this a problem with the mount options? |
| 01:35.03 | JordiGH | Garbled as in encoding problems. Knoppix doesn't seem to automatically recognise they're UTF-8. |
| 01:35.12 | hoohaah | ward-: you make your mind up already that debian is no good for you because of wacom. Then go to XP already :/ |
| 01:35.52 | ward- | hoohaah, lol this is the first thing i see you typing |
| 01:36.13 | ward- | nothing better to do then trying to pick a gifht i suppose |
| 01:36.13 | hoohaah | then grep irc log properly |
| 01:36.28 | hoohaah | or does wacom interfere with that too? |
| 01:36.40 | ward- | how do you know what is in my logs? |
| 01:36.49 | ward- | maybe i just have a scrollback |
| 01:36.51 | hoohaah | not picking a fight. u answer very matter-of-factly to simon and ootput |
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| 01:37.16 | hoohaah | that you must spend money on xp, rather than more time on getting it to work with debian |
| 01:37.24 | ward- | i'll just ignore you then |
| 01:37.41 | hoohaah | i had debian problems before, but i tried to resolve. software evolves, and you have to evolve with it |
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| 01:38.05 | Superlinux | Hi. How are you? I am on the mobile. |
| 01:38.06 | Superlinux | I am on the mobile. Hard to explain on mobile. |
| 01:38.12 | ward- | my point kindof was that it used to work fine and now not anymore |
| 01:38.15 | ward- | at least read what i type |
| 01:38.29 | Superlinux | Hard to write |
| 01:38.37 | hoohaah | ward-: no, that was after the fact |
| 01:38.49 | ward- | also stop preaching you sound like you work in a church |
| 01:38.58 | parodyoflanguage | ward-: And it seems the point here is that to be constructive, since no one here knows how to solve your problem, you should seek out other venues. |
| 01:39.30 | ward- | i was not even speaking, jsut responding, but ok |
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| 01:50.48 | cattle | hi im bakc |
| 01:51.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell ward -about apt-file |
| 01:51.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | doc-linux-nonfree-html: /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html |
| 01:51.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course the file was not there |
| 01:51.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell ward -about installit |
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| 01:51.58 | xng14 | hey |
| 01:52.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, ward- never asked a real question |
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| 01:52.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and apropos that |
| 01:52.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | !doesn't work |
| 01:52.57 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 01:53.02 | ward- | at least i'm not someone that has nothing better to do then to preach, i'll just ignore so you cannot blame me when this gets out of hand |
| 01:53.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously you do |
| 01:53.36 | hoohaah | stop threatening to /ignore |
| 01:53.45 | hoohaah | that's very childish |
| 01:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | read the stuff dpkg told you about or don't |
| 01:54.06 | ward- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ward-, a simple "thanks" would have done |
| 01:54.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | laters |
| 01:55.07 | ootput | CutMeOwnThroat: bit of wasted effort there, unfortunately |
| 01:55.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ootput, I call it "life" |
| 01:55.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 01:55.33 | ward- | all you morons talk about is me, bah |
| 01:55.35 | ward- | goodbye |
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| 01:55.43 | Bryanstein | laughs |
| 01:55.51 | ootput | can i say it now? "Farewell" |
| 01:56.14 | Bryanstein | CutMeOwnThroat, you shouldn't feed the animals |
| 01:56.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, nobody told him in what package the howto is |
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| 01:57.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | but obviously he doesn't care to read, so it didn't really matter |
| 01:57.04 | hoohaah | because noone knew |
| 01:57.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why I said it! |
| 01:57.18 | hoohaah | google should've been the first port of call |
| 01:57.46 | hoohaah | and not point of sale |
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| 02:00.58 | ootput | I was simply flabbergasted at the sight of him contradicting himself with (to paraphrase) XP being a waste of money, yet that expenditure was a necessity |
| 02:01.14 | parodyoflanguage | I thought threatening to move to Windows XP was a bit much :) |
| 02:01.20 | hoohaah | yes, one after another, too |
| 02:02.36 | wooj | ANSWER MY QUESTIONS OR I'LL INSTALL VISTA. |
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| 02:03.02 | parodyoflanguage | No, don't do it! You're so young, so full of life! |
| 02:03.03 | hoohaah | , OR I'LL IGNORE |
| 02:03.26 | wooj | NOOOO! |
| 02:03.29 | wooj | lol |
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| 02:03.44 | Akaji | hi |
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| 02:04.21 | Akaji | notte |
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| 02:06.44 | linkd | i have a strange issue. i wonder if anybody can help. i'm missing /boot/grub/menu.lst in a default debian installation that i later upgraded to squeeze. how might i get menu.lst back or edit the grub configuration? |
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| 02:07.42 | Akaji | create it? |
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| 02:08.02 | linkd | that's what i figured. i dont suppose anybody has a template i can use? :P |
| 02:08.06 | kristian_ | hi all - in a bit of an emergency |
| 02:08.28 | kristian_ | just installed a bare debian, now I need to get a desktop look |
| 02:08.44 | Akaji | man grub i think :P |
| 02:09.03 | justin | linkd: you do have grub installed, right? |
| 02:09.10 | linkd | justin, yep |
| 02:09.34 | linkd | justin, it works and all just confused where the menu.lst went since normally linux distros i use automatically set it up for me |
| 02:09.39 | hoohaah | linkd: try apt-get install --reinstall |
| 02:09.50 | justin | linkd: maybe you are using that new grub2 thing? |
| 02:09.54 | justin | that might not use the same file |
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| 02:10.16 | linkd | oh i see. well aptitude reports that the grub2 package is not installed. |
| 02:10.21 | eshaase | anyone know how well supported the intel g41 chipset is on Linux? |
| 02:12.05 | jpinx | linkd: it's grub-install |
| 02:12.42 | linkd | jpinx, what is? i'm looking for where menu.lst went |
| 02:12.57 | cattle | ok so i'm trying this command: update-initramfs -c -k 2.5.29.4 and it says: Cannot find /lib/modules/2.6.29.4 and that is because it does not exist and only 2.6.26-2-686 exist |
| 02:13.11 | cattle | so now what? |
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| 02:13.29 | jpinx | linkd: grub-install will write it |
| 02:13.41 | linkd | jpinx, well.. it doesn't :P |
| 02:13.59 | jpinx | speak to it severely - it' meant to |
| 02:14.26 | linkd | haha. the director just contains tons of .mod files which ive not seen in previous versions |
| 02:14.29 | linkd | *directory |
| 02:14.37 | jpinx | do you have some strange setup of partitions linkd ? |
| 02:15.14 | jpinx | didn't read the scroll-back |
| 02:15.24 | linkd | jpinx, like what? it's a pretty standard set up. previous linux installs on this machine with the same set up created menu.lst |
| 02:15.26 | kristian_ | when I type apt-get install gnome, it says it will use 2400mb ... can this be true_ |
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| 02:15.58 | jpinx | kristian_: probably |
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| 02:16.29 | jmd | kristian_, No. 2.4 bytes is very small for a program |
| 02:16.33 | jpinx | linkd: where are you looking for menu.lst? |
| 02:16.38 | jmd | and you cant have .4 of a Byte |
| 02:16.39 | JordiGH | Looks like I have a problem with a corrupt fs. debsums will tell me if files are corrupt. Is there a way to check package integrity, though? |
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| 02:17.10 | jpinx | jmd: you mean bit |
| 02:17.20 | linkd | jpinx, the usual place /boot/grub, i also ran find over / and found no file named menu.lst |
| 02:17.48 | kristian_ | jpinx: will try.... install gnome-desktop |
| 02:17.48 | jpinx | what's the output of grub-install linkd |
| 02:17.56 | kristian_ | bbl |
| 02:18.09 | jpinx | might be a lot later kristian_ |
| 02:18.15 | jpinx | ooops - gone |
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| 02:18.58 | linkd | jpinx, http://pastebin.com/m61d40869 as you can see nothing out of the ordinary |
| 02:20.29 | jpinx | fwiw linkd my menu.lst is in /boot/grub/ |
| 02:20.50 | linkd | jpinx, fwiw? yeah normally it is, which is why im baffled |
| 02:20.51 | jpinx | what happened when you did grub-install? linkd |
| 02:21.05 | linkd | jpinx, i just pasted what happened :P |
| 02:21.36 | JordiGH | Never mind, debsums does everything I need. |
| 02:21.56 | jpinx | Bleh |
| 02:22.23 | jpinx | there's nothing to stop you writing your own menu.lst linkd |
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| 02:22.34 | jpinx | but there is some wierdness indeed |
| 02:22.42 | linkd | jpinx, yeah im trying that now |
| 02:23.42 | jpinx | are you chrooted in or anything like that linkd ? |
| 02:23.48 | linkd | nope |
| 02:24.02 | jpinx | beats me dude |
| 02:24.38 | hoohaah | are ylu sure the update didn't pull in lilo instead? |
| 02:24.50 | linkd | its grub |
| 02:24.58 | linkd | i never use lilo |
| 02:24.58 | hoohaah | wait, you weren't able to boot into the system, because of the missing menu.lst/grub.conf, right? |
| 02:25.26 | linkd | no i can boot fine. it presents the standard grub selection thing and works fine. even says "Welcome to Grub" for a few sections before it auto boots |
| 02:25.27 | hoohaah | and you've booted up some recovery media |
| 02:25.35 | linkd | i just can't find how to edit it |
| 02:25.39 | hoohaah | oh |
| 02:25.56 | jpinx | linkd: you can edit it at boot time |
| 02:26.54 | jpinx | catch it before it times out to default and hit "e" |
| 02:26.54 | hoohaah | linkd: I missed a bit of the discussion, but what is your partition layout? |
| 02:26.54 | linkd | jpinx, yeah i think i might try that in a sec |
| 02:26.54 | hoohaah | perhaps grub boots from a different location |
| 02:26.54 | linkd | hoohaah, it's not out of the ordinary. hda1 is the only bootable partition |
| 02:26.59 | jpinx | linkd: fwiw I have a dual boot and use that "e" all the time - never bothered to edit menu.lst |
| 02:27.20 | hoohaah | jpinx: nothing related to linux on any of the other disks? |
| 02:27.36 | linkd | there is no other operating systems on this machine |
| 02:27.59 | jpinx | hoohaah: I have a total of 4 bootable devices at boottime ;) |
| 02:28.04 | hoohaah | besides directories, what else lies in / ? |
| 02:28.10 | linkd | a grue |
| 02:28.13 | linkd | chuckles |
| 02:28.21 | linkd | what do you mean what else lies in there? :P |
| 02:28.30 | jpinx | but some are on USB sticks and the device name changes, so no point in editing menu.lst |
| 02:28.34 | hoohaah | symlinks for vmlinuz, other files, etc |
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| 02:29.08 | linkd | its just the standard debian installation stuff. i can't check right now but i dont think there's anything out of the ordinary. everything works just menu.lst doesn't exist. |
| 02:29.28 | hoohaah | why can't you check? |
| 02:29.42 | hoohaah | jpinx's advice may have been for moot :) |
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| 02:29.48 | linkd | im editing grub at the moment :P |
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| 02:30.04 | hoohaah | vt2? |
| 02:30.15 | hoohaah | oh, editing grub at grub shell |
| 02:30.20 | linkd | werd |
| 02:30.25 | cattle | ppftt what? |
| 02:30.34 | cattle | what distro are you in hoohaah? |
| 02:30.45 | hoohaah | testing |
| 02:31.00 | cattle | that is debian isn't it? |
| 02:31.02 | hoohaah | cattle: why do you ask? |
| 02:31.09 | cattle | oh lord yeah im in debian |
| 02:31.22 | hoohaah | ? |
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| 02:31.23 | cattle | well just edit the menu.lst |
| 02:31.32 | cattle | its easy as pie |
| 02:31.41 | stevenmbp | hi. i have a problem and im not sure where to start looking, so i ended up here |
| 02:31.46 | jpinx | cattle - read the scrollback |
| 02:31.51 | hoohaah | stevenmbp: of all places |
| 02:31.55 | stevenmbp | i installed phpmyadmin on debian via `sudo aptitude install phpmyadmin` |
| 02:32.04 | cattle | actually what am i saying i can't get it to work |
| 02:32.10 | stevenmbp | where does it automagically install the phpMyAdmin directory to? |
| 02:32.22 | hoohaah | cattle: are you on something? |
| 02:32.35 | jpinx | stevenmbp: /etc/apache2? ? |
| 02:32.47 | jpinx | stevenmbp: I'm guessing |
| 02:32.55 | stevenmbp | dont see it |
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| 02:32.58 | stevenmbp | also dont see it on http://packages.debian.org/lenny/phpmyadmin |
| 02:33.11 | cattle | hoohaah, sorry what are you trying to do? |
| 02:33.15 | jpinx | stevenmbp: find or locate it |
| 02:33.17 | hoohaah | stevenmbp: get apt-file |
| 02:33.31 | hoohaah | stevenmbp: update it's db, and perform apt-file search phpmyadmin |
| 02:33.48 | hoohaah | stevenmbp: it'll at least tell you which files go where during install |
| 02:34.04 | jpinx | stevenmbp: apt-file take s abit of time to do all that |
| 02:34.12 | stevenmbp | installing apt-file, thanks |
| 02:34.16 | stevenmbp | aww |
| 02:34.22 | hoohaah | stevenmbp: apt-file is a wrapper for some native dpkg, may as well use the native if you know how |
| 02:34.27 | stevenmbp | lol |
| 02:34.28 | hoohaah | (and currently, I do not) |
| 02:34.38 | jpinx | man dpkg ;) |
| 02:34.48 | hoohaah | jpinx: and then some |
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| 02:34.56 | hoohaah | too cumbersome for me to learn :) |
| 02:35.00 | stevenmbp | ah! |
| 02:35.05 | stevenmbp | /etc/phpmyadmin for some reason |
| 02:35.16 | jpinx | dpkg -l | grep php will get some info |
| 02:35.16 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep php will get some info |
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| 02:35.38 | jpinx | stupid bot! |
| 02:35.47 | jpinx | !smack dpkg |
| 02:35.47 | dpkg | smacks dpkg upside the head. |
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| 02:36.08 | hoohaah | wonders if linkd is done editing |
| 02:36.16 | jpinx | that wasn't so bad stevenmbp ;) |
| 02:36.26 | stevenmbp | :P |
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| 02:36.41 | stevenmbp | yeah im currently guessing a hell of a lot, wishing i knew where to find guides for doing this |
| 02:36.54 | hoohaah | on phpadmin? |
| 02:36.54 | linkd | hoohaah, yeah, i can do things that way. like i said there is nothing out of the ordinary. right now im doing a grep on the entirity of my system searching for the string i just edited in grub in the hope of finding the actual config :P |
| 02:36.57 | jpinx | stevenmbp: if you have hdd space to spare - finish the install and update of apt-file |
| 02:37.00 | stevenmbp | on installing phpmyadmin via aptitude |
| 02:37.11 | stevenmbp | also, whats the difference between these? |
| 02:37.17 | stevenmbp | sudo aptitude install phpmyadmin |
| 02:37.22 | stevenmbp | sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin |
| 02:37.35 | jpinx | !tell stevenmbp about aptitude |
| 02:37.51 | jpinx | !tell stevenmbp about why aptitude |
| 02:37.55 | hoohaah | aptitude is apparently better at resolving deps |
| 02:38.04 | hoohaah | I only use it when I need to remove something |
| 02:38.18 | jpinx | aptitude is *much* better |
| 02:38.21 | stevenmbp | scary |
| 02:38.35 | stevenmbp | so why are there *two* versions of the same basic thing? |
| 02:38.37 | hoohaah | well, it is. but haven't needed to use it beyond the above |
| 02:38.39 | stevenmbp | that seems unnecessary and confusing |
| 02:38.48 | hoohaah | stevenmbp: because your window is not large enough |
| 02:38.50 | jpinx | just remember the --without-recommends for some things |
| 02:38.54 | stevenmbp | um |
| 02:39.30 | jpinx | stevenmbp: it is very necessary and can't be too confusing if I understand it ;) |
| 02:39.47 | stevenmbp | ok |
| 02:39.59 | jpinx | apt-get is old - aptitude is new |
| 02:40.18 | jpinx | they won't kill off apt-get because of people like hoohaah ;) |
| 02:40.22 | hoohaah | stevenmbp: now that you mentioned it, I've always wondered that myself |
| 02:40.55 | cattle | does anyone know how i get my compiled kernel /lib/modules/blah |
| 02:41.01 | hoohaah | in aptitude, between package name and (installedversion/availableversion) there appears to be a lot of unused space |
| 02:41.27 | jpinx | !aptitude-fu |
| 02:41.27 | dpkg | To list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; install without recommends but not uninstalling other recommends: aptitude install -R -o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true See also <aptitude why>. |
| 02:41.32 | hoohaah | I'm assuming the latter is right-aligned. Why then is it that I still miss trailing version suffixes to /availableversion |
| 02:41.48 | hoohaah | my terminal is certainly large enough |
| 02:42.05 | jpinx | I've never seen that hoohaah |
| 02:42.45 | dondelelcaro | hoohaah: because by default the version column is limited in size |
| 02:42.46 | hoohaah | yeah, i did a search on google (->mailinglists) a while back when I first started noticing it, and there weren't any matches for the same symptom |
| 02:43.04 | hoohaah | dondelelcaro: is there anyway to customize that, without modifying source? |
| 02:43.20 | dondelelcaro | hoohaah: sure, use -F |
| 02:43.32 | dondelelcaro | (assuming we're talking about aptitude's output) |
| 02:43.43 | hoohaah | well, the dialog window |
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| 02:44.37 | hoohaah | i'll try to provide a screeny when i next get an available update |
| 02:44.48 | hoohaah | i might not be explaining it properly |
| 02:45.27 | hoohaah | a fixed-column format display might explain it |
| 02:46.10 | hoohaah | other ncurse apps stretch to fill the terminal window fine |
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| 02:46.28 | dondelelcaro | hoohaah: the dialog window is customizable too |
| 02:46.32 | hoohaah | and with aptitude, it appears so as well, save for this version prob |
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| 02:47.16 | dondelelcaro | hoohaah: if you want to know the exact version, though, you actually want to press return on the package, because the listing only shows one anyway |
| 02:47.34 | hoohaah | dondelelcaro: yeah, I've resorted to doing that |
| 02:48.08 | hoohaah | and it didn't strike me as critical as overly long versions usually hinted at a minor version bump anyway? |
| 02:48.16 | hoohaah | ie, farther from the version root |
| 02:48.23 | hoohaah | s/?// |
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| 02:52.15 | hoohaah | although, it may also be due to the running environment - in this case, screen in urxvt |
| 02:52.34 | hoohaah | a custom terminfo was required to get 256 color support, and aptitude may be choking on this |
| 02:53.08 | hoohaah | I'll test out that theory when I can |
| 02:53.14 | hoohaah | -out |
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| 02:56.19 | dondelelcaro | hoohaah: no, that's normal; it's the way it behaves here (and I'm running xrvt) |
| 02:56.55 | hoohaah | you mean you get the same version- cut? |
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| 03:01.15 | cattle | does anyone know what the files in /lib/modules/kernelversion are? |
| 03:01.38 | cattle | are they libs are they modules are they kernel libs modules? |
| 03:02.02 | hoohaah | what's a kernel lib? |
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| 03:02.18 | hoohaah | +module |
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| 03:02.50 | stew | cattle: they are the things that in your .config, you selected as modlues (with (M)) |
| 03:03.12 | cattle | oh... so i might just need to create that directory and nothing else? |
| 03:03.29 | hoohaah | you don't need to create it |
| 03:03.36 | hoohaah | kernel-install will generate it for you |
| 03:03.43 | hoohaah | and warn you if same path already exists |
| 03:03.46 | stew | cattle: no, it would be created for you when you either install a kernel .deb, or if you arent using .debs, when you run "make modules_install" |
| 03:03.47 | cattle | HA it worked |
| 03:03.58 | cattle | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.29.4 |
| 03:03.58 | stew | cattle: what worked? |
| 03:03.59 | hoohaah | 'it' |
| 03:04.06 | cattle | update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.29.4 |
| 03:04.09 | cattle | uh that |
| 03:04.21 | cattle | lol how stupid i am |
| 03:04.22 | cattle | brb |
| 03:04.24 | stew | cattle: you made it work by running "mkdir /lib/modules/2.6.29.4" ? |
| 03:04.26 | stew | cattle: wait |
| 03:04.29 | cattle | yep |
| 03:04.33 | stew | cattle: no |
| 03:04.37 | cattle | i'm lying |
| 03:04.42 | cattle | ? |
| 03:04.43 | stew | cattle: that's not going to work, you need to actually have the modules in there |
| 03:04.49 | cattle | huh? |
| 03:04.53 | cattle | there are no modules |
| 03:05.01 | cattle | its on internal in the kernel |
| 03:05.08 | hoohaah | cattle: refrain from hitting enter too often, allowing others to address one of your previous remarks |
| 03:05.09 | stew | cattle: then why do you need an initrd? |
| 03:05.29 | cattle | cuz the kernel keeps telling me that it can't find 0,0 |
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| 03:05.32 | cattle | anywayh ill brb |
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| 03:05.37 | cattle | gotta reboot |
| 03:05.37 | hoohaah | '0,0' |
| 03:05.44 | hoohaah | no you don't |
| 03:05.54 | stew | he really shoudln't be bothering to compile kernels |
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| 03:06.13 | hoohaah | i'm of the same opinion |
| 03:06.24 | St0n3-C0l | what Desktop Manager testing-cd1 has? |
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| 03:08.33 | ootput | St0n3-C0l: you can use a web search engine for that http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php |
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| 03:09.03 | ootput | not entirely sure if it's up-to-date, as I haven't used it since etch |
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| 03:09.51 | hoohaah | St0n3-C0l: there are only a few DE so that should be okay |
| 03:10.04 | hoohaah | St0n3-C0l: are you after oone in particular? |
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| 03:10.18 | St0n3-C0l | I was just thinking if GNOMe is in it. |
| 03:10.33 | St0n3-C0l | Normally in CD-1 it's GNOME |
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| 03:10.52 | sanguisdex | is there a better channel to discyuss getting the porpitary ATI driver to work with lenny? |
| 03:11.28 | hoohaah | !/msg dpkg ati-one-liner |
| 03:12.10 | St0n3-C0l | ok my bad heh |
| 03:12.25 | St0n3-C0l | was wondering why the testing debian hasn't shifted to xorg 7.4? Because of intel ? |
| 03:12.37 | sanguisdex | hoohaah: that bot is silent |
| 03:12.39 | St0n3-C0l | cos after a long time i have been back on debian. |
| 03:12.54 | hoohaah | !tell sanguisdex about fglrx one-liner |
| 03:13.11 | sanguisdex | oh there it is |
| 03:13.14 | sanguisdex | reading |
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| 03:13.44 | hoohaah | sanguisdex: which chipset is it? I'm running hd4850 okay here on opensource drivers |
| 03:14.09 | hoohaah | sanguisdex: but I needed a 2.6.30- kernel, so that may not be up your alley |
| 03:14.18 | sanguisdex | hoohaah: it's the radion mobility x1400 |
| 03:14.53 | sanguisdex | its would be using the 9.3 legacy driver |
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| 03:15.44 | hoohaah | ansilly ati moved a lot of things into legacy :/ |
| 03:16.04 | hoohaah | sanguisdex: ^ |
| 03:16.30 | sanguisdex | yeah I know |
| 03:16.46 | hoohaah | give radeonhd a shot |
| 03:17.00 | hoohaah | you won't need 2.6.30 for drm unless you have r600/700 chipsets |
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| 03:18.09 | sanguisdex | yeah its actualy the reason I am switching to debian from ubuntu |
| 03:18.27 | hoohaah | for the kernel? |
| 03:18.41 | sanguisdex | 9.04 wont work with the older drivers |
| 03:18.49 | hoohaah | or because ubuntu provides a new fglrx driver that won't work withhyour card |
| 03:18.50 | hoohaah | okay |
| 03:18.52 | sanguisdex | and I want a distro that is supported |
| 03:19.07 | sanguisdex | but its also time I grew up |
| 03:19.15 | hoohaah | heh |
| 03:19.29 | hoohaah | there are a lot of crooners on ubuntu boards |
| 03:19.34 | hoohaah | nice chaps |
| 03:19.45 | sanguisdex | ubunti has a lot of helpful noob stuff that slows the machine down |
| 03:20.01 | sanguisdex | I dotn need t any more (I hope) |
| 03:20.34 | hoohaah | i think that's only for interfacing with ui: gfx audio etc |
| 03:20.46 | hoohaah | but ubuntu and deb have the same noob-scripts for maintaining system :) |
| 03:21.23 | hoohaah | but yeah, having control over what's left definitely makes X feel snappier |
| 03:22.05 | sanguisdex | one thing I think I will miss is the individule package maintaiers repos |
| 03:22.42 | hoohaah | well, there are things like that for deb too |
| 03:22.52 | sanguisdex | I did not need to turn sid on and off to get a more modern version of a piece of software |
| 03:22.53 | hoohaah | (something ubuntu chose to emulate) |
| 03:23.32 | hoohaah | there are all sorts of multimedia repos for deb, all non-free though, of course |
| 03:24.28 | hoohaah | sanguisdex: one aspect of ubuntu repos I didn't like was that everything felt too unofficial |
| 03:24.44 | hoohaah | it's technically the same with 3rdparty debian repos, but with those, I'm underwhelmed |
| 03:24.52 | sanguisdex | well a lot of them were |
| 03:26.22 | hoohaah | anywho, debian, at least for me, is a better choice |
| 03:26.34 | hoohaah | it feels good being able to tinker |
| 03:26.40 | sanguisdex | but say for instance I wanted to follow the development of say a program like Open Office, I could add their indivdual feed to my sources list and when they want to put out and upgrade I could get it. is there smothing like that for Deb? |
| 03:27.35 | hoohaah | never really tried, and it's not listed in manpage, so I'm guessing no |
| 03:27.55 | hoohaah | that's not to say that a deb repo maintainer offers rss on his/her own site |
| 03:28.13 | hoohaah | something you can subscribe to beyond sources.list capabilities |
| 03:28.32 | hoohaah | s/offers/doesn't offer/ |
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| 03:30.36 | sanguisdex | yeah your right |
| 03:30.43 | hoohaah | personally, I think that's a pretty nice feature.. but I guess it can be argued that there are other ways oof obtaining alerts on available updates, so I doubt it's something Deb devs will likely implement |
| 03:31.49 | hoohaah | sanguisdex: anywho, welcome to debian. Enjoy your stay. If you're willing to do the hard yards, you'll be better because of it |
| 03:31.55 | hoohaah | i'm out to lunch :) |
| 03:32.58 | Akuw | i am trying to run VirtualBox but i got |
| 03:32.58 | Akuw | Please install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel and execute 'modprobe vboxdrv' as root. |
| 03:32.59 | Akuw | VBox status code: -1908 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED). |
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| 03:36.36 | ootput | Akuw: perhaps do as it says? |
| 03:36.55 | ootput | unless your kernel is not from debian repo |
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| 03:48.32 | windopain | is there a program in kde/debian which i can use to resize partitions? i have been looking in the kmenu and have not been able to find anything |
| 03:49.42 | linkd | hoohaah / jpinx: if you guys are wondering the configuration is found at /boot/grub/grub.cfg (auto-generated) and /etc/default/grub |
| 03:50.03 | jpinx | linkd: is that grub2 ? |
| 03:50.13 | linkd | its the grub-pc package |
| 03:50.47 | linkd | i have a debian box next to me with the grub package and THAT has menu.lst rather than grub.cfg |
| 03:51.11 | linkd | so for future both you guys will know what to say if some poor sod like myself wonders in here a little confused. the grub-pc package doesn't use menu.lst |
| 03:51.11 | jpinx | linkd: is this not on debin then? |
| 03:51.14 | windopain | what is the super user password for debian live? |
| 03:51.29 | linkd | jpinx, .. no it's debian. it's testing |
| 03:51.34 | jpinx | windopain: I think it is "live" |
| 03:51.45 | linkd | jpinx, the one that uses menu.lst is stable and the one using grub-pc is testing |
| 03:51.50 | jpinx | linkd: ah - the joys of tessting :) |
| 03:52.15 | linkd | hehe, thanks for trying to help earlier though. |
| 03:52.21 | jpinx | linkd: thanks for the come-back - always useful to know these things |
| 03:52.47 | linkd | that it is |
| 03:53.02 | ootput | weird |
| 03:53.50 | maxagaz | in which file is set the uid ? |
| 03:54.03 | Supermiguel | how is the raid controller sb750 compared with software raid? |
| 03:54.16 | windopain | tried live, no luck |
| 03:55.04 | windopain | ahhh nm i was trying su -, not sudo -i |
| 03:55.19 | windopain | now i just need to find an app that will resize partitions |
| 03:55.37 | jpinx | windopain: resize your filesystem first ;) |
| 03:55.41 | jpinx | then use fdisk |
| 03:56.03 | windopain | resize filesystem? |
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| 03:56.27 | windopain | i do not want to destroy the xp install i already have on the drive.. i used parted to do this in the past but apparently that's not on the kde live disc |
| 03:56.39 | jpinx | windopain: are you resizing a partition with data on it? |
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| 03:56.50 | windopain | yes |
| 03:57.11 | jpinx | windopain: you need to resize the data first or you will lose it |
| 03:57.19 | ajavid | ahhh boy |
| 03:57.21 | ajavid | jpinx, hola |
| 03:57.22 | windopain | parted must do both |
| 03:57.45 | jpinx | windopain: no it doesn't |
| 03:57.45 | windopain | i used partition magic before parted but lately i've used parted.. .ubuntu live won't load on this pc though so now i'm trying debian |
| 03:58.01 | matrix | use partition magic |
| 03:58.19 | jpinx | you maybe got lucky because XP defragmented everything to the front of the partition |
| 03:58.27 | rmacd | it's also the case, of course, that you have to make sure that the data is at the beginning of the drive |
| 03:58.40 | rmacd | jpinx : you got there before me :) |
| 03:58.49 | windopain | parted spent like 1.5 hrs moving data before it resized partitions and then more time formatting.. |
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| 03:59.00 | jpinx | use resize windopain - there are options for ntfs |
| 03:59.11 | mumia-w-19 | I'm trying to get networking going with user-mode-linux. I've built kernel 2.6.29.2 in UML mode, and it boots and works fine. |
| 03:59.15 | Supermiguel | how is the raid controller sb750 compared with software raid? |
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| 03:59.26 | jpinx | windopain: I did exactly this just a few days ago |
| 03:59.40 | windopain | jpinx: resize in what app? |
| 03:59.53 | rmacd | Supermiguel : I suspect any form of hardware raid to offload processing from OS will be superior. |
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| 04:00.10 | mumia-w-19 | But, when I attempt to bring up eth0, I get this: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not permitted |
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| 04:01.07 | windopain | will cfdisk resize? |
| 04:01.29 | matrix | wts da router sri |
| 04:02.11 | matrix | <mumia-w-19> |
| 04:02.35 | mumia-w-19 | Hello |
| 04:02.41 | sanguisdex | wahooooo8: well I ran the one line ati install, and now I am using finch |
| 04:03.15 | jpinx | windopain: Err http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/32002 |
| 04:03.46 | jpinx | windopain: resizing the filesystem and resizing the partition are 2 separate jobs |
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| 04:05.06 | mumia-w-19 | Here is how I start UML: uml-linux ubda=disk-img root=/dev/ubda2 ubdb=swap-file eth0=tuntap,,,192.168.0.3 |
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| 04:05.13 | windopain | right.. i used one program for both jobs last time, it was very similar to partition magic.. ithought it was parted, maybe it was qtparted or something else... it was available in the ubuntu gnome menus... i'll just use partition magic for now i guess |
| 04:05.41 | mumia-w-19 | I'm starting UML as a normal user. |
| 04:05.59 | Sashi | is there any posible way of installing uToorrent |
| 04:06.05 | Sashi | wtawithou a ui |
| 04:06.26 | jpinx | windopain: did you read that link I gave you? |
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| 04:06.45 | sanguisdex | here is a deb noob question, how do I edit the sudo list to allow my non sus user to use sudo? |
| 04:07.07 | Supermiguel | add them to the wheel group :) |
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| 04:07.50 | jpinx | sanguisdex: visudo as root |
| 04:08.49 | sanguisdex | jpinx: yeah I did that but could not pick up where I should add my username |
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| 04:09.34 | linkd | sanguisdex, under root ALL=(ALL) ALL, add "sanguisdex ALL=(ALL) ALL" for a simple way to add yourself |
| 04:09.42 | jpinx | you copy the existing example and ass a line with your username sanguisdex |
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| 04:10.04 | mudge | hello |
| 04:10.08 | jpinx | linkd: I was going to make hi think a bit more ;) |
| 04:10.18 | linkd | my bad :P |
| 04:10.24 | jpinx | hello mudge |
| 04:10.33 | mudge | does anyone know how to interpet the scores that aptitude gets when installing software? |
| 04:10.36 | mudge | hey jpinx |
| 04:10.39 | jpinx | linkd: not at all - |
| 04:11.19 | sanguisdex | jpinx: I had thought of doing that but I thought it might give my normal user SU privs and did not want to do that |
| 04:11.40 | jpinx | sanguisdex: man sudo |
| 04:11.55 | jpinx | sanguisdex: you really need to read up before asking here ;) |
| 04:11.56 | mumia-w-19 | sanguisdex: also "man sudoers" |
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| 04:12.10 | jpinx | mumia-w-19: yea - that too ;) |
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| 04:12.56 | mumia-w-19 | sanguisdex: root ALL=/path/to/binary |
| 04:13.03 | sanguisdex | jpinx: I had man sudo but did not know sudoers |
| 04:13.04 | mumia-w-19 | ;-) |
| 04:13.44 | mumia-w-19 | Just remember to always use "visudo" to edit the sudoers file. |
| 04:13.48 | RaymondX | see /etc/sudoers |
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| 04:23.00 | sanguisdex | so I hate to be a pest but I just installed the ATI grapics drivers the wat the bot in here said to. and now when I log in via gnome I get a colored background and a mouse cursor and nothing more. is there some one that would be willing to hold my hand? |
| 04:23.39 | cantido | sanguisdex: where you able to log in before? |
| 04:24.17 | sanguisdex | cantido: I was |
| 04:24.34 | cantido | sanguisdex: you should be able to find out what's happening by using the failsafe option and starting gnome manually from the resulting xterm |
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| 04:26.12 | sanguisdex | cantido: I will try that thanx |
| 04:26.19 | cantido | sanguisdex: I have a feeling it's something like gnome trying to start a window manager with compizy bits and falling now that you've changed the drivers. |
| 04:27.01 | wooj | do you have AIGLX or something enabled in your xorg.conf ? |
| 04:27.10 | sanguisdex | cantido: should I use 'startx' to start gnome from fail safe? |
| 04:27.13 | wooj | iirc that breaks on ATI. |
| 04:27.23 | sanguisdex | or gdm? |
| 04:27.30 | cantido | sanguisdex: no, there should be something like start-gnome |
| 04:27.37 | sanguisdex | ahh ok |
| 04:27.48 | cantido | sanguisdex: You're already running x you see ;) |
| 04:28.49 | sanguisdex | that makes sence |
| 04:28.53 | cantido | sanguisdex: gnome-session |
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| 04:29.58 | cantido | There are also a bunch of log files that capture errors that happened in your xsession,.. but I can't remember which ones those are. |
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| 04:30.33 | arvind_khadri | hi, i am unable to play videos in VLC, lenny here.... |
| 04:30.45 | wooj | arvind_khadri, do you have debian-multimedia enabled? |
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| 04:31.01 | wooj | in your sources.list |
| 04:31.02 | cantido | arvind_khadri: what type of video would be helpful |
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| 04:31.19 | cantido | wooj: you shouldn't need debian-multimedia for a lot of formats.. |
| 04:31.42 | wooj | cantido, no, but debian-multimedia and vlc dont work together properly |
| 04:31.48 | wooj | xvid won't play, for instance |
| 04:31.57 | arvind_khadri | wooj, yes multimedia with the line ending as lenny main , do i need to include something else |
| 04:32.04 | cantido | wooj: really, I have testing + d-m here.. |
| 04:32.05 | arvind_khadri | wooj, cantido avi |
| 04:32.05 | wooj | since debian-multimedia's libavcodec and ffmpeg don't work with the debian vlc |
| 04:32.13 | cantido | arvind_khadri: avi is a container |
| 04:32.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | sanguisdex, look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:32.26 | wooj | cantido, for lenny, its the case. There is a post on... lemme find it. |
| 04:33.17 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: Does that log show anything that comes out of the users session? |
| 04:33.22 | arvind_khadri | cantido, i cant play it here... |
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| 04:33.39 | wooj | http://debian-multimedia.org/archive.php - scroll down to 18/06/2008 |
| 04:33.42 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: I thought it only had Xserver bits and DM bits |
| 04:33.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, no, but shows error on loading the new driver |
| 04:34.00 | arvind_khadri | wooj, do i need anything else at the end of the line? |
| 04:34.16 | wooj | arvind_khadri, I had to compile vlc 1.0.0-rc1 to get it all to work properly. The fix listed on the site didnt work for me. |
| 04:34.18 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: mmm, the driver is partially working if he's able to log in though. |
| 04:34.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see why gnome should change behavior |
| 04:34.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's the wrong ati driver |
| 04:34.54 | arvind_khadri | wooj, why cant vlc 0.9 be backported ? |
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| 04:35.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the cards are similar enough to still be recognized |
| 04:35.11 | cantido | wooj: lenny was released in 09.. |
| 04:35.18 | wooj | arvind_khadri, perhaps it can, I just decided to compile it myself |
| 04:35.26 | wooj | cantido, and still has the same issue with debian-multimedia |
| 04:35.38 | wooj | if he DOESNT use debian-multimedia, it'll work fine |
| 04:35.50 | wooj | "Since Debian use the same soname packages name than my packages, official packages (vlc, totem, etc...) linked against libavc* doesn't work with my libavc* packages. |
| 04:35.50 | wooj | If you want to use vlc and friends you need to downgrade libavc* packages to the official packages." |
| 04:35.58 | cantido | wooj: that's a bit shitty. |
| 04:36.13 | cantido | would have thought packages in d-m lenny would work with lenny.. |
| 04:36.20 | wooj | cantido, yeah, but the guy who runs debian-multimedia won't change it, so idk. |
| 04:36.33 | wooj | he'd have to build his own vlc and vlc-nox I guess. |
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| 04:37.49 | maxagaz | I want my rails user to have rights to run some commands like "/usr/bin/vim /etc/haproxy.cfg", but this doesn't work: "rails ALL=(rails) /usr/bin/vim /etc/haproxy.cfg", can someone tell me what's wrong with it ? |
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| 04:37.54 | wooj | lenny has vlc 0.8.6h anyways |
| 04:38.19 | cantido | arvind_khadri: If you browse the package descriptions for the libavc bits you should be able to select the lenny packages and downgrade |
| 04:38.59 | maxagaz | i meant this in my sudoers file |
| 04:39.42 | arvind_khadri | cantido, i would rather compile from source than downgrade :) |
| 04:40.03 | arvind_khadri | downgrading can be dangerous.. afaik :) |
| 04:40.09 | wooj | arvind_khadri, you can grab the source from videolan.org, and apt-get build-dep vlc then compile |
| 04:40.25 | arvind_khadri | wooj, checkinstall maybe :) |
| 04:40.28 | wooj | just make a .deb or use something like Stow for the package so you can remove it later if you want |
| 04:40.45 | wooj | well, whichever way you like :) |
| 04:40.52 | arvind_khadri | wooj, how about checkinstall ? |
| 04:41.43 | arvind_khadri | wooj, btw how do i make mplayer go full screen, and does totem plan to be full of bugs forever? |
| 04:42.09 | mumia-w-19 | I'm attempting to use UML networking as described here: http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/network.html |
| 04:42.15 | wooj | arvind_khadri, hit 'F' to make mplayer go fullscreen, and I don't use totem, so I have no idea. |
| 04:42.50 | mumia-w-19 | Whenever I try this "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.5 up" , I get this: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not permitted" |
| 04:43.04 | cantido | arvind_khadri: downgrading from d-m should be fine |
| 04:43.18 | mumia-w-19 | Actually, I get the error message twice when using the command. |
| 04:43.41 | cantido | arvind_khadri: it's not like you're downgrading to etch packages in testing or something |
| 04:44.03 | mumia-w-19 | How can I get ifconfig to work as expected? |
| 04:44.51 | cantido | arvind_khadri: instead of checkinstall, it's probably better to grab the lenny package source and use the right tools to update it to the upstream source.. |
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| 04:48.14 | wooj | arvind_khadri, its really up to you what you want to do. I personally think that the newer versions of vlc are much nicer, so compilingis worth it. but thats just my personal opinion, and it might cause your personal box to grow legs and go on a rampage and destroy tokyo. |
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| 04:50.41 | paaa | folks i'm stuck with unknown monitor and unrecognized ATI radeon drivers in Hardware Drivers program <nothing to enable> |
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| 04:54.37 | at0m | mumia-w-19, did you do the "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.5 up" as root? |
| 04:55.06 | mumia-w-19 | at0m, Yes, I was root when I did "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.5 up" |
| 04:55.12 | mumia-w-19 | Root in the UML. |
| 04:55.26 | at0m | hm then i don't know.. |
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| 05:06.25 | arvind_khadri | wooj, lol :) |
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| 05:07.35 | cantido | wooj: destroy tokyo? cool |
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| 05:08.13 | cantido | ponders that in the movies stuff like that only happens in the usa.. and the rest of the world goes on unaffected |
| 05:09.07 | wooj | cantido, lol yeah, weird eh? |
| 05:12.12 | cantido | just hopes arvind_khadri leaves hokkaido out of it |
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| 05:18.33 | matrix | see eth0 interfaces up |
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| 05:30.04 | stuNNed | does it matter if you use aptitude, synaptic, and apt-get as your package manager or should you stick with just one? |
| 05:31.27 | DDevine | stuNNed: Use as many as you like |
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| 05:31.36 | DDevine | at the end of the day they all use the same backend. |
| 05:31.47 | cantido | stuNNed: you can use all three if you want, in the past if you used apt-get unneeded packages wouldn't get removed but aptitude, but I dont think that's the case any more. |
| 05:31.48 | lfs | Is there a way to force a package to reinstall all the needed files? |
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| 05:32.16 | DDevine | lfs: Good question, I would like to use that right now. |
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| 05:33.42 | cantido | DDevine: you can force a reinstall, I think you can also force conf files to be overwritten |
| 05:34.50 | cantido | DDevine: you could also do aptitude purge <package> && aptitude install <package> |
| 05:35.14 | stuNNed | ok thanks |
| 05:35.34 | lfs | I installed apache2 which then installed the /var/www directory |
| 05:35.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg --purge <package>, really |
| 05:35.42 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up <package>, really all over cutmeownthroat and jamon... |
| 05:35.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, sheesh, shaddup |
| 05:35.49 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: I give up, what is it? |
| 05:35.54 | lfs | but then I erased those files. |
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| 05:36.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, so? |
| 05:36.16 | cantido | lfs: mdkir /var/www/ |
| 05:36.22 | cantido | lfs: mkdir /var/www/ |
| 05:36.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also for configuration files... |
| 05:36.43 | cantido | lfs: the only other stuff that goes in there is a default site that you probably don't want any how |
| 05:36.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confmiss |
| 05:36.45 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 05:36.49 | lfs | THen I did a purge and reinstall but I want the files the installation put in /var/www |
| 05:37.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | lfs, YOU put files there |
| 05:37.27 | lfs | there was at least index.html |
| 05:37.30 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: there is a default index that goes in /var/www as far as I can remember |
| 05:37.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, I know |
| 05:37.45 | cantido | lfs: do you need it? |
| 05:37.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | but what would you ever need that for |
| 05:37.54 | lfs | I just want it back |
| 05:37.56 | cantido | nods |
| 05:38.01 | lfs | I am compulsive |
| 05:38.02 | cantido | lfs: touch index.html |
| 05:38.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 05:39.02 | cantido | lfs: get the deb, extract it (dpkg --extract pkg.deb /extract/here iirc) and grab the file |
| 05:39.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | echo '<html><head></head><body><font size="+5"> Congratulations, you have successfully installed apache2!<br> You still have to provide content!</font></body></html>' >index.html |
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| 05:39.45 | cantido | or that :) |
| 05:39.50 | lfs | How do you get the deb file? |
| 05:40.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, there is no such file in any package |
| 05:40.59 | lfs | mine said It works! |
| 05:41.16 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: really? created by post-inst? |
| 05:41.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | echo [...] It works! [...]... |
| 05:41.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, "apt-file search /var/www/index.html"? |
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| 05:48.01 | amitz | quick question, has debian live cd ssh client? |
| 05:49.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd think so |
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| 05:51.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | else it'd be worthless.... there's also #debian-live on OFTC |
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| 05:54.43 | amitz | CutMeOwnThroat: oh thanks |
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| 05:57.27 | zu22 | anyone know a linux utility to unpack an .LHA archive? |
| 05:57.46 | amitz | CutMeOwnThroat: oh... there is no default debian live cd. It's ubuntu live cd. By any chance, does the busybox of debian installer support ssh and dd? |
| 05:57.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | !debian live |
| 05:57.55 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). |
| 05:58.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is |
| 05:59.05 | amitz | CutMeOwnThroat: what I meant is, the default debian installer ISO is not debian live cd. Sorry for the confusion. |
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| 06:10.56 | pi__ | hi guys. when exactly is /etc/issue displayed? i don't get what i put in it displayed to me when connecting via ssh |
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| 06:14.22 | shamanix | this may not be the best place to ask, but is there software for linux that does something like http://www.kcsoftwares.com/index.php?ignition or http://bttb.sourceforge.net/ ? |
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| 06:17.14 | owen1 | is shamanix is it a special kind of burning software? |
| 06:17.47 | shamanix | no it does not do burning, i'll try and explain |
| 06:18.33 | shamanix | you give it a huge folder, and it organizes all folders intelligently for cd dvd burning |
| 06:19.56 | amitz | it's above me.. how to create an image of a partition (I can run a live CD) of a HD and send it over ssh as a file to another computer? I have this a starting reference: tar zcf - localfolder/ \ | ssh 192.1.1.1 "cd folder/to/copy/to; tar zpxvf -" , which is a way to compress a folder, send it over ssh, and decompress it. |
| 06:20.41 | shamanix | why tar? there are much better progs for disc imaging |
| 06:21.34 | amitz | shamanix: oh, I plan to use dd, but I don't really understand the mechanism of piping in linux, so I was hoping someone can tweak the version above to be a solution using dd. |
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| 06:22.06 | amitz | just to get an easier start. |
| 06:23.36 | shamanix | Never actually had to use dd before unfortunatly |
| 06:24.29 | amitz | my main problem is, I have to transfer the bits on the fly via ssh. I can't store the dd result as a file since there is no other hd on that computer. |
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| 06:27.29 | shamanix | only way I can think of is to set up some kind of network connection that the comp with the hd to be imaged sees as a network drive, don't know if this makes any sense |
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| 06:27.38 | fxiny | amitz: dd if=/dev/ice | ssh user@host "cat > disk.img" |
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| 06:28.41 | fxiny | you can split it ... user@host "split -b 700m - diskimage- " |
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| 06:30.49 | amitz | fxiny: it seems to work. but just to confirm, I can just omit "of" like that and dd can recognize that the of will be piped via ssh? |
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| 06:32.09 | rafuch0 | i need help making an ad hc net here somebady has done this ? |
| 06:32.16 | rafuch0 | ad-hoc |
| 06:32.20 | fxiny | amitz: yes , you can use "tar -cf - /path" instead of the dd part |
| 06:33.21 | amitz | fxiny: I see, thanks! |
| 06:33.26 | fxiny | amitz: np |
| 06:33.31 | amitz | rafuch0: wireless adhoc? |
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| 06:36.57 | Jewfro-Macabbi | on a cli only system, I'm seeing a constant stream of network traffic info. Can anyone point me towards how to disable that? |
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| 06:37.47 | total | hi guys, why my server adds +1 hour to every time zone? |
| 06:38.46 | maligor | wrong timezone settings maybe? |
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| 06:39.01 | cantido | Jewfro-Macabbi: you mean stuff coming out of iptables? |
| 06:39.15 | yang | total: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 06:39.25 | Jewfro-Macabbi | cantido, probably yes |
| 06:40.00 | cantido | Jewfro-Macabbi: are you using a firewall script? |
| 06:40.21 | Jewfro-Macabbi | cantido - iptables.rules |
| 06:41.01 | jdahm | I'm having terminal locale issues I think |
| 06:41.05 | Jewfro-Macabbi | cantido, where I manually set it, saved it, and have it restore on reboot |
| 06:41.31 | jdahm | Some characters (output of gcc specifically) are showing up as an accented a instead of the corret symbol |
| 06:41.43 | jdahm | I've rebuilt with a lot of locales, but no luck |
| 06:41.51 | jdahm | anyone have an idea what might be wrong? |
| 06:42.07 | cantido | Jewfro-Macabbi: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Iptables#LOG_Target |
| 06:43.01 | cantido | Jewfro-Macabbi: Basically, you target the logs at ulog instead of the kernel logger and that stuff will stop coming out on your console,.. |
| 06:43.46 | Jewfro-Macabbi | cantido, thank you kindly |
| 06:44.15 | jdahm | Also, this only happens when using urxvt |
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| 06:46.52 | cantido | Jewfro-Macabbi: You'll probably still get other bits and bobs like usb events.. I think you can get rid of those by passing quiet to the kernel |
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| 06:49.10 | total | thanks guys |
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| 06:55.14 | SimonXu | Hi! I mistakenly deleted some files in /usr/share, can I use dpkg to repair the packages? |
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| 06:57.44 | ootput | SimonXu: not without some help, no |
| 06:58.07 | ootput | feed list of installed packages to apt-file (search), grep for /usr/share, and for each result, match and print what doesn't match |
| 06:58.21 | windtunnel__ | im having audio problems with one of my users. i use xbmc for movie playback and with one user everything works fine but with another user starting the movie crashes the audio |
| 06:58.37 | TiMiDo | !factoid |
| 06:58.37 | dpkg | [factoid] something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
| 06:58.48 | windtunnel__ | audio works otherwise for both users |
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| 07:01.45 | hse | what is the last version? |
| 07:04.25 | IamSOG | ETCH |
| 07:04.49 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:16.42 | hoohaah | SimonXu: you there? |
| 07:16.52 | hoohaah | SimonXu: i quickly made a script for you |
| 07:17.09 | SimonXu | hoohaah: thank you! |
| 07:17.28 | hoohaah | SimonXu: don't thank me yet :) It's untested. It's based on what ootput mentioned earlier |
| 07:17.43 | hoohaah | ygpm |
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| 07:20.46 | TiMiDo | !factoid |
| 07:20.46 | dpkg | well, factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
| 07:20.51 | TiMiDo | !factoids |
| 07:20.51 | dpkg | Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php or ask me about <help listkeys>, <help-listvals> or <search>. Also, my factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
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| 07:31.01 | ootput | SimonXu: mind if I take a look at the script? |
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| 07:31.42 | SimonXu | ootput: http://pastebin.com/m5697399e |
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| 07:34.00 | ootput | there's no parameter expansion done there, so I don't see a need for the curly braces.. other than that it should basically work |
| 07:34.15 | total | i have updated mysql version, so that means that all databases was deleted? |
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| 07:38.05 | hyper_ch | are there security and update repos for testing and sid? |
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| 07:38.33 | ootput | not for sid |
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| 07:38.51 | ootput | as security fixes automatically go into sid |
| 07:38.58 | Manu311 | good morning - I've got a problem. Since Compiz doesn't work and google said (multiple times) it works in sid, I upgraded to sid. But now my problem is a bit earlier. When starting gdm I got an error about "no exec" in "gnome" found (free translated) so he starts only xterm. I'm able to start nautilus and metacity via xterm, but I'm still missing my menues and I want to remove that problem. |
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| 07:39.15 | SimonXu | ootput: Any problem in the script? |
| 07:39.21 | hyper_ch | ootput: that makes sence :) thx |
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| 07:40.06 | ootput | SimonXu: no. looks decent. The only thing missing would be to ensure that PACKAGE and FILE are of the right format, but otherwise, test it and see |
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| 07:43.28 | SimonXu | ootput: what shall I do after finding the broken packages? |
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| 07:47.48 | ootput | SimonXu: install them? curiously, which files did you accidently delete? |
| 07:48.28 | SimonXu | ootput: I accidently executed "sudo rm -rf /usr/share", and I stopped it after about 1.6 second. |
| 07:48.48 | maligor | atleast it wasn't rm -rf / |
| 07:49.27 | SimonXu | ootput: what does '~i!~M' mean in the script? |
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| 08:04.02 | maxagaz | can someone suggest me a good and cheap SIP phone brandt ? |
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| 08:29.15 | cirzgamanti | i sometimes receive file with non-ascii characters in the name that get displayed as '?' in ls, and konqueror tends to have trouble with them. it's probably some unicode mis-encoding thing, is there a script/line anywhere to automatically rename them to valid names? |
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| 08:30.01 | cahoot | tried iconv? |
| 08:30.44 | cirzgamanti | thx, could'nt remember the name. |
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| 08:32.41 | nan8 | maxagaz: you mean a hardware phone? |
| 08:33.07 | maxagaz | nan8, yes... but shouldn't ask it here sorry |
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| 08:35.56 | nan8 | maxagaz: you are right (no problem ;-) - but can't be of help then (i think grandstream is used a lot - but don't really know) |
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| 09:02.45 | Jeroen2 | lol .. i'm installing debian on a asus eee mini |
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| 09:02.52 | Jeroen2 | i'm totally new in debian |
| 09:03.01 | Jeroen2 | is there something i should know be4 i start ? |
| 09:03.17 | IamSOG | its' already, as long as you are not new to linux... they are pretty much the sam |
| 09:03.19 | IamSOG | same* |
| 09:03.32 | IamSOG | its' alright, as long as you are not new to linux... they are pretty much the same |
| 09:03.59 | Jeroen2 | ok then, so it 's like ubuntu ? |
| 09:05.32 | Eck[screen] | slaps IamSOG |
| 09:05.56 | IamSOG | :o |
| 09:05.57 | Eck[screen] | ubuntu is like debian |
| 09:06.04 | Eck[screen] | not debian is like ubuntu :-) |
| 09:06.06 | XGas | slaps IamSOG with a pair of leather gloves. |
| 09:06.12 | IamSOG | o: |
| 09:06.14 | Jeroen2 | lol |
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| 09:06.30 | IamSOG | 's face had just grown 2 inches |
| 09:06.31 | XGas | I challenge you to a .... never mind. |
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| 09:07.56 | IamSOG | Oh well, maybe I should put it differently :D all other Linux distrubutions are about the same, but Debian is Great :D it's... just... Great :D |
| 09:08.12 | Jeroen2 | i'll see .. |
| 09:08.13 | Jeroen2 | :p |
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| 09:08.21 | Eck[screen] | pets XGas |
| 09:08.24 | Jeroen2 | now i'm on windows 7 desktop :D |
| 09:08.31 | Eck[screen] | oh dear. |
| 09:08.38 | Jeroen2 | :D |
| 09:08.47 | Eck[screen] | loads the gun |
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| 09:11.01 | omid8bimo | i have a weird problem. i'm trying to install debian over pxe/tftp/local httpd mirror |
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| 09:11.29 | omid8bimo | pxe and tftp is fine and i get to load image at pxe boot menu |
| 09:11.49 | omid8bimo | then when i get to the mirror selection section and enter my server address |
| 09:12.23 | omid8bimo | it says that mirror is not reachable to release file is not valid |
| 09:13.03 | omid8bimo | i got linux and initrd file from net but for the same dirsto and release file is there |
| 09:13.40 | omid8bimo | is that possible that because i got netboot files not from installation dvd it wont work? |
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| 09:21.11 | TiMiDo | hey how can i mount this [189277.385799] sd 16:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB |
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| 09:24.01 | Posterdati | hi |
| 09:24.34 | WildTurkey | May 31 09:21:46 wildturkey sendmail[18292]: n4V9Khhe018292: 66-38-69-24.pool.dsl.duo-county.com [66.38.69.24] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to Daemon0 |
| 09:24.39 | Posterdati | please I got a problem with a belkin bu308000me ups, it's boosting the input voltage from 230V to 250V, could anyone help me to set it to 230V output? |
| 09:24.48 | WildTurkey | anyone have an idea how i've screwed sendmail up? |
| 09:25.15 | WildTurkey | when i try to send a message it keeps asking me for password...and never stops |
| 09:25.32 | WildTurkey | even though i've entered it (correctly) about 10 times |
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| 09:31.04 | fxiny | WildTurkey: have you used emacs to edit sendmail conf ? |
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| 09:32.29 | WildTurkey | well, i've used vi |
| 09:32.49 | WildTurkey | does emacs have syntax ? |
| 09:32.55 | fxiny | right . so can't be a missing \n |
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| 09:35.15 | hoohaah | WildTurkey: syntax-highlighting? Hell, even Nano has that |
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| 09:57.53 | omid8bimo | guys can i disable the gpg signature check on http mirror installation? |
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| 09:58.33 | hellues | what is the command for removing all files that is coming from locate command |
| 09:58.49 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.07 | hellues | i used that command but it said rm missing operand |
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| 09:59.11 | omid8bimo | hellues: read xargs man |
| 09:59.27 | omid8bimo | locate XXX | xargs rm -r |
| 09:59.52 | omid8bimo | hellues: read it's man so u'll get the correct syntax |
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| 10:00.03 | nan8 | omid8bimo: might fail with ugly file names |
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| 10:00.34 | omid8bimo | nan8: there are some switches which can filter those :) |
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| 10:03.42 | g00se | locate XXX | xargs -d '\n' rm -r |
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| 10:10.56 | MrWax | how can I start my apache2 webserver again? |
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| 10:20.23 | valdyn | thats some fucked up rm commands |
| 10:20.56 | valdyn | ( unless you dont care about your data ) |
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| 10:21.42 | bolt | MrWax: after doing what? |
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| 10:22.02 | bolt | MrWax: perhaps "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart" is what you're looking for? |
| 10:22.38 | MrWax | yes |
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| 10:25.11 | timahvo1 | I want to setup a wireless ap on lenny using D-Link System DWL-G122 802.11g Adapter [ralink rt73] and hostap. what driver should I use in hostapd.conf? |
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| 10:28.47 | Mark21 | hello, i get the following error when i try to install something via apt-get: http://yourpaste.net/2011/ |
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| 10:29.07 | Mark21 | apt-get update isn't fixing this (that gives an error about an incorrect key) |
| 10:29.07 | bkw | With a debian default kernel, do I have to define my raid arrays in /etc/mdadm.conf or will get the up anyway? |
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| 10:30.33 | WildTurkey | i need a good apt source list for lenny |
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| 10:31.10 | avu | WildTurkey, the mirror list is on debian.org |
| 10:31.47 | avu | Mark21, looks like you're mixing suites in your sources.list? |
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| 10:32.12 | fxiny | Mark21: etch and lenny mixed up sources ? |
| 10:33.15 | Mark21 | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free AND deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 10:33.25 | Mark21 | and ofcourse deb-src for each of these |
| 10:33.36 | Coweater | Mark21: stable is lenny |
| 10:34.19 | avu | Mark21, yes so you're mixing etch and lenny |
| 10:34.34 | avu | Mark21, either change etch to stable or stable to etch |
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| 10:35.02 | avu | (depending on whether you want to upgrade to stable or stay on old-stable) |
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| 10:35.18 | Mark21 | i want to stay on etch with this system |
| 10:35.38 | avu | then change stable to etch in the security.d.o line |
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| 10:47.28 | Jeroen2 | hmm my EEE is after 1 hour en 15 min still installing |
| 10:47.34 | Jeroen2 | is this normaL ? |
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| 10:51.09 | valdyn | Jeroen2: what is it doing? |
| 10:51.19 | valdyn | Jeroen2: is there a limit to how slow a computer can be? |
| 10:51.21 | Jeroen2 | installing software .. |
| 10:51.25 | Jeroen2 | lol |
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| 10:52.29 | Polarina | valdyn: No, there's no limit on how slow a computer can be. |
| 10:53.27 | Jeroen2 | i 'll wait .. i think it will work but i think this is really too long |
| 10:53.39 | stuNNed | if i install linux-source and run 'make oldconfig' and 'make prepare' do i still need all of the linux-headers packages to compile a source package that relies on the kernel? |
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| 10:53.46 | valdyn | Jeroen2: you should see some more specific information than "installing software" |
| 10:54.07 | valdyn | Jeroen2: theoretically you installation can take years or up to the next power outage |
| 10:54.11 | Jeroen2 | well yea .. it changes every second but i just thought this is going to take TOO long |
| 10:54.26 | valdyn | Jeroen2: what is "it" |
| 10:55.05 | Jeroen2 | the text of what it installs .. like 'installing gimp" |
| 10:55.16 | valdyn | Jeroen2: and its not actually being stuck? |
| 10:55.47 | Jeroen2 | no it's not .. but it just take very long .. i was wondering of something went wrong .. but .. |
| 10:56.05 | valdyn | Jeroen2: this is alright, it all depends on how much stuff you install too |
| 10:56.18 | Jeroen2 | ok then i'll wait :P |
| 10:56.26 | Jeroen2 | ty |
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| 10:57.07 | Jeroen2 | i'll let you know if it will work on the end |
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| 11:29.35 | artikanet-10943 | ciao |
| 11:29.36 | mythtv | evening all, I am trying to set up mythtv on lenny to autolog and start mythfrontend - the problem I am having is the package install scripts did not make a mythtv home directory so I had nowhere to put my .xinitrc file. So I made one, but it does not seem to be reading it - how do I make it run a program at startup? |
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| 11:30.40 | artikanet-10943 | !list |
| 11:30.40 | dpkg | artikanet-10943: VATTENE VIA |
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| 11:31.21 | mythtv | if I do a userdel and useradd -m will it break anything and would that make the system look for a user home directory with the .xinitrc ? |
| 11:31.44 | Jeroen2 | valdyn: you're still there ? |
| 11:32.42 | Jeroen2 | so my debian installing has finished .. but when i restart , the only text there is is = " error 2 " |
| 11:33.06 | lostson | that sounds like grub error no 2 to me |
| 11:33.15 | Jeroen2 | yea and how to fix it ? :p |
| 11:33.34 | lostson | i believe everytime it happened to me i just re-installed |
| 11:33.38 | Jeroen2 | lol |
| 11:33.43 | Jeroen2 | it just take me 3 hours |
| 11:33.45 | lostson | yeah im lame |
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| 11:33.57 | Jeroen2 | it took me 3 hours of installing so |
| 11:34.04 | Jeroen2 | please don"t tell me that's the only way |
| 11:34.14 | lostson | im not im just saying what i did |
| 11:34.23 | Jeroen2 | :p |
| 11:34.28 | Jeroen2 | other solutions ? ? |
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| 11:35.15 | Jeroen2 | no 1 ? |
| 11:35.16 | lostson | are you using raid ? |
| 11:35.31 | Jeroen2 | only 1 hard disk .. and it's a netbook so :D |
| 11:35.38 | lostson | ah |
| 11:35.47 | lostson | any luck searching for a answer with google ? |
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| 11:35.51 | valdyn | Jeroen2: you dont need to select tasks at install time |
| 11:36.04 | Jeroen2 | ? |
| 11:36.06 | valdyn | Jeroen2: that means you dont need to install that many things |
| 11:36.14 | maha | it was suggested to me by higher authority that i seek help in here: my netbook sometimes fails in midprocess of suspension. |
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| 11:36.30 | Jeroen2 | yea i know ... XD .. but any solution for this |
| 11:36.33 | maha | iis this a kkknown bug? |
| 11:36.35 | Jeroen2 | "error 2" |
| 11:36.41 | valdyn | Jeroen2: sure, a boot disk |
| 11:36.53 | Jeroen2 | there is no cd drive or diskette |
| 11:36.55 | valdyn | !reinstall grub |
| 11:36.55 | dpkg | reinstall grub is probably documented at http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover and http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html, or <fixmbr> |
| 11:36.57 | deed02392 | i've just stuck an ipod in my debian box, and nothing is happening (I have no gui), does anyone know how i can access the data on the ipod? |
| 11:37.01 | Jeroen2 | with / how ? :D |
| 11:37.07 | valdyn | Jeroen2: read what dpkg said |
| 11:37.15 | Jeroen2 | kk |
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| 11:38.26 | Jeroen2 | but how to get in a termina ? xD |
| 11:38.28 | Jeroen2 | L |
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| 11:38.39 | okaratas | hello |
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| 11:39.23 | hell_ | hey |
| 11:39.30 | hell_ | my wireless card doesnt work |
| 11:39.34 | Jeroen2 | how to get in the d-i rescue menu ? |
| 11:39.39 | hell_ | detail in here http://paste.org/7733 |
| 11:39.47 | hell_ | how can i fix that error |
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| 11:40.41 | azeem_ | hell_: probably you need firmware |
| 11:40.57 | hell_ | no |
| 11:41.06 | azeem | !iwlagn |
| 11:41.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, iwlagn is the driver for Intel 5050, 5100BG/ABG/ABN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series of wireless LAN adapters. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27 ("modprobe iwlagn"). Lenny users: ask me about <backports.org> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 11:41.06 | hell_ | i installed firmware |
| 11:41.13 | hell_ | and i use my wireless card |
| 11:41.32 | azeem | so what is your question? |
| 11:41.36 | Jeroen2 | dkpg : how to get a terminal or shell to reinstall grub ? |
| 11:41.46 | hell_ | but two minutes ago it gives that and my wireless card start to not work |
| 11:41.53 | hell_ | how can i fix that |
| 11:42.08 | hell_ | azeem, |
| 11:42.25 | hell_ | because it happens when i am using wireless card |
| 11:42.39 | azeem | what is "it"? |
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| 11:43.04 | Jeroen2 | so no1 can help me ? xD .. is there a method to get in shell from boot ? |
| 11:43.25 | hell_ | it is "the event".This is about wireless card error |
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| 11:44.20 | Jeroen2 | ??????????? |
| 11:44.33 | hell_ | pls help |
| 11:44.46 | deed02392 | i've just stuck an ipod in my debian box, and nothing is happening (I have no gui), does anyone know how i can access the data on the ipod? |
| 11:44.59 | azeem | Jeroen2: there's a d-i menu item about a shell I think |
| 11:45.06 | azeem | Jeroen2: otherwise, hit alt+f2 or alt+f3 |
| 11:45.19 | Jeroen2 | k going to try that |
| 11:45.21 | azeem | deed02392: ipods are no storage devices |
| 11:45.31 | azeem | deed02392: you need an app which talks to it over libusb AFAIK |
| 11:45.37 | valdyn | Jeroen2: why didnt you read what dpkg said? |
| 11:45.41 | valdyn | !reinstall grub |
| 11:45.41 | dpkg | reinstall grub is probably boot a cd like knoppixgrml, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map) |
| 11:45.47 | maha | uh how can i flush the keys left in seahorse before i set this netboot to hibernate? |
| 11:45.49 | hell_ | why why why whyü |
| 11:45.59 | hell_ | i have a proposal i need a machine |
| 11:46.05 | hell_ | why is debian so silly |
| 11:46.29 | valdyn | !factinfo reinstall grub |
| 11:46.29 | dpkg | reinstall grub -- last modified at Sun Dec 2 01:13:20 2007 by RichiH!i=richih@freenode/staff/richih; it has been requested 13 times, last by valdyn, 48s ago. |
| 11:46.36 | azeem | hell_: "doesn't work" is not a good error description |
| 11:46.39 | maha | !help seahorse |
| 11:46.40 | valdyn | !grub reinstall |
| 11:46.42 | azeem | maybe you should start from the beginning |
| 11:46.45 | valdyn | hmm |
| 11:47.17 | hell_ | azeem, my wireless card works perfectly |
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| 11:47.28 | hell_ | i used my wireless device |
| 11:47.33 | hell_ | i rebooted my machine |
| 11:47.44 | valdyn | !listkey grub |
| 11:47.47 | valdyn | !listkeys grub |
| 11:47.48 | hell_ | it start to give some errors |
| 11:47.48 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'grub' by key (15 of 60): #debian grub vs lilo ;; #debian grub.root ;; #debian-bots grub ;; _default grub floppy ;; _default install grub ;; _default lilo->grub ;; _default update-grub ;; grub floppy image ;; grub read error ;; grub vs lilo ;; grub-errors ;; grub-install ;; gruborlilo ;; lilo->grub ;; update-grub. |
| 11:47.52 | hell_ | http://www.paste.org/validate.php |
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| 11:47.57 | hell_ | pls look here azeem |
| 11:48.19 | azeem | hell_: "wireless device" and "wireless card" is the same thing? |
| 11:49.05 | hell_ | i guess |
| 11:49.11 | hell_ | i am not sure |
| 11:49.19 | hell_ | this is an interesting question |
| 11:49.45 | hell_ | anyway it is not important i have to use my computer i have to connect internet with wireless |
| 11:49.58 | Jeroen2 | azeem: now there is reading file "701SD.ROM" |
| 11:49.58 | azeem | hell_: we can't help you if you don't know what the problem is |
| 11:50.03 | azeem | where? |
| 11:50.14 | Jeroen2 | azeem: but i don't think it's going to do anything |
| 11:50.15 | hell_ | azeem, i am using debian |
| 11:50.23 | hell_ | i give the message i got |
| 11:50.30 | hell_ | there is nothing in google |
| 11:50.41 | azeem | hell_: a message is nothing, what problem do you actually face? |
| 11:51.18 | valdyn | hell_: the url you pasted does not give us your paste |
| 11:51.22 | hell_ | azeem, my wireless cant recieve wireless connection |
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| 11:52.11 | hell_ | valdyn, http://paste.org/7734 and my computer wireless lamb doesnt work |
| 11:52.30 | azeem | hell_: when did the lamp work last? |
| 11:52.32 | hell_ | i cannot recieve any connection i didnt do nothing that causes this problem |
| 11:52.51 | valdyn | hell_: unsupported hardware or wrong firmware |
| 11:52.52 | hell_ | two reboot before |
| 11:53.00 | hell_ | firmware-iwlwifi |
| 11:53.07 | valdyn | hell_: you need a driver and firmware that supports your hardware first |
| 11:53.19 | hell_ | valdyn, it was working 10 minutes ago |
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| 11:53.40 | valdyn | hell_: maybe you have a kill switch that does this |
| 11:53.46 | hell_ | i repeat i am working with this firmware about 6-7 moths |
| 11:53.50 | valdyn | hell_: that switch would be in hardware, on your netbook |
| 11:54.00 | hell_ | no |
| 11:54.16 | azeem | hell_: what notebook do you have? |
| 11:54.19 | hell_ | i push the switch i check that that is nıot problem |
| 11:54.32 | hell_ | acer aspire 5720g |
| 11:54.47 | valdyn | hell_: reboot and try again |
| 11:54.54 | valdyn | hell_: we cannot fix this, you have to |
| 11:55.00 | hell_ | okey but it doesnt work |
| 11:55.05 | valdyn | hell_: its a clear issue of driver not being able to drive your hardware |
| 11:55.18 | azeem | hell_: so two reboots before it worked, but now it does not? |
| 11:55.29 | hell_ | and what does this mean WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc, it will be ignored in a future release. |
| 11:55.35 | hell_ | yes azeem exactly |
| 11:55.43 | valdyn | hell_: ignore that warning |
| 11:55.49 | valdyn | hell_: it means what it said |
| 11:56.32 | azeem | hell_: did you upgrade any package or the kernel since then? |
| 11:56.44 | hell_ | i dont understand my wireless was working correctly not it is not working how it is possible ? I didnt do anything.Just i check my home partition with fsck |
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| 11:57.12 | valdyn | hell_: youre using something that is not debian/stable, thats your first issue |
| 11:57.30 | valdyn | hell_: which may or may not be unrelated to your actual problem at hand |
| 11:58.02 | hell_ | no driver is stable |
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| 11:58.10 | valdyn | hell_: thats not the point |
| 11:58.18 | hell_ | Version: 0.14+lenny1 |
| 11:58.32 | valdyn | so youre mixing lenny and sid or squeeze |
| 11:58.35 | valdyn | thats even worse |
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| 11:59.34 | hell_ | yehah |
| 11:59.41 | valdyn | hell_: might aswell be that intel released firmware in the meantime and youre mixing old firmware with new driver or vice versa |
| 11:59.58 | valdyn | hell_: how the hell could we debug this |
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| 12:00.28 | hell_ | but i just installed firmware-iwlwifi what is the driver package |
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| 12:00.53 | valdyn | hell_: thats one firmware package, not the driver package |
| 12:01.26 | hackeron | hey, is there anyway to have my laptop automatically ssh to my server so that I have access to it from my server at any time? - maybe I want something like vpn? |
| 12:01.34 | valdyn | hackeron: yes |
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| 12:01.44 | hackeron | valdyn: how? :) |
| 12:02.50 | valdyn | hackeron: man autossh, once you can set up a tunnel with it, add "@reboot <autossh command>" to your user crontab |
| 12:03.18 | hackeron | valdyn: what if internet connectivity is lost temporarily, I don't want to wait for reboot |
| 12:03.26 | valdyn | hackeron: that is why you use autossh |
| 12:04.42 | valdyn | hell_: paste the outputs of "apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi" and "uname -a" on a paste site |
| 12:05.04 | hell_ | valdyn, okey |
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| 12:07.27 | hell_ | valdyn, http://paste.org/7735 |
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| 12:08.36 | valdyn | hell_: i said "apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi" |
| 12:09.05 | G69 | Boa tarde /Good Afternoon |
| 12:09.06 | hell_ | sorry |
| 12:10.19 | hell_ | valdyn, http://paste.org/7736 |
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| 12:11.58 | simon | what's the difference between the packages linux-image-2.6.26-2-vserver-686 and linux-image-2.6.26-1-vserver-686? |
| 12:12.12 | simon | (besides a 1 in their name:) |
| 12:12.27 | WildTurkey | smtpd_recipient_restrictions |
| 12:12.35 | WildTurkey | this little bugger is really pissing me off |
| 12:12.36 | asg | simon: -2- is the newer version; bumped due to an ABI change |
| 12:12.58 | valdyn | simon: security fix required an abi change, that is why theres a new version |
| 12:13.08 | WildTurkey | no matter how i set it up, my pw is either rejected, recipient is rejected, or relay access denied |
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| 12:13.31 | simon | asg, ABI change? valdyn, how do I read about the changes for that package? (they're not mentioned in apt-cache show) |
| 12:13.36 | valdyn | simon: it just means that you had to recompile out of tree modules, not any functionality change |
| 12:13.55 | valdyn | simon: theyre in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog* |
| 12:13.57 | asg | simon: the package changelog |
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| 12:14.14 | simon | thank you. |
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| 12:14.18 | hell_ | valdyn, anything ? |
| 12:14.20 | valdyn | simon: its irrelevant to you unless you are having an actual issue |
| 12:14.35 | valdyn | hell_: no, new kernel and new firmware package, it looks ok |
| 12:15.33 | hell_ | off |
| 12:15.36 | hell_ | :/ |
| 12:15.40 | simon | valdyn, well, there's presumably a bug in -1- that allows people to exit the confinements of their vservers. I need to see if that's the one they fixed in -2-. |
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| 12:15.50 | hdon | hi all. still using Etch here. should i have an "opengl32.dll.so" if i've installed wine? winehq seems to think so. i have an opengl32.dll, but not a .so. file(1) says the .dll is indeed an MS-DOS executable |
| 12:15.57 | valdyn | hell_: i think you should do a cold reboot |
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| 12:16.23 | valdyn | simon: i see |
| 12:16.33 | valdyn | simon: read the debian security advisories |
| 12:17.03 | hell_ | what is cold reboot |
| 12:17.11 | valdyn | hell_: poweroff |
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| 12:18.30 | hell_ | hmm |
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| 12:22.40 | WildTurkey | what _should_ $mynetworks be in postfix configuration? |
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| 12:22.53 | WildTurkey | mynetworks 67.220.68.173 |
| 12:22.56 | WildTurkey | thats all i've got |
| 12:23.05 | abrotman | you probably want to ask #postfix |
| 12:23.06 | asg | have you asked #postfix? |
| 12:23.14 | valdyn | or read the docs |
| 12:23.15 | abrotman | and read the postfix.org docs .. they cover this stuff pretty well |
| 12:23.38 | WildTurkey | sorry, i'm just thinking outloud |
| 12:23.42 | WildTurkey | aloud |
| 12:23.44 | WildTurkey | even. |
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| 12:26.37 | wildc4rd | is there a channel on Freenode more for discussing compiling drivers from source? |
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| 12:27.22 | hdon | wildc4rd: to take a guess: #kernel |
| 12:27.45 | avu | you could also try plain old ##linux |
| 12:28.05 | hdon | good call |
| 12:28.28 | wildc4rd | ok, cheers |
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| 12:31.05 | hellues | i have two more problem |
| 12:31.19 | hellues | my compiz doesnt work details in here http://paste.org/7739 |
| 12:31.20 | abrotman | just two? |
| 12:31.31 | hellues | yes just two |
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| 12:33.09 | hellues | sorry |
| 12:33.30 | hellues | http://paste.org/7739 how can i fix those errors |
| 12:33.57 | valdyn | hellues: youre not no stable. |
| 12:34.04 | valdyn | hellues: youre not *on* stable. |
| 12:34.15 | hellues | compiz packages is stable |
| 12:34.24 | valdyn | hellues: thats probably the problem then |
| 12:34.27 | valdyn | hellues: you cant mix releases |
| 12:34.34 | hellues | hmm |
| 12:34.52 | hellues | it fixes if i get compiz package from squeeze |
| 12:34.54 | hellues | ? |
| 12:35.06 | valdyn | hellues: I dont know |
| 12:35.32 | valdyn | hellues: the error message is typical for mixing, that is all |
| 12:36.44 | elenril | how do i give locally built packages same priority as those from official repos? |
| 12:36.55 | valdyn | !pinning |
| 12:36.56 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 12:36.58 | valdyn | elenril: ^^ |
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| 12:37.28 | hellues | valdyn, when i halt the system it says no process in this channel |
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| 12:37.34 | hellues | and my machine doesnt halt |
| 12:37.48 | hellues | i switch by hands |
| 12:38.00 | hellues | what is the possible reason of that |
| 12:38.02 | elenril | valdyn: i tried to use pinning, but didn't figure out what exactly to pin |
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| 12:39.54 | elenril | i've tried Package: *\nPin: release a=now\nPin-Priority: 500, but to no effect |
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| 12:42.14 | hdon | (using Etch.) should i have an "opengl32.dll.so" if i've installed wine? winehq seems to think so. i have an opengl32.dll, but not a .so. file(1) says the .dll is indeed an MS-DOS executable |
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| 12:44.46 | elenril | hdon: opengl32.dll.so is in libwine-gl |
| 12:44.49 | elenril | at least on sid |
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| 12:45.44 | hdon | elements: ah thanks i should hav ethought of that |
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| 12:48.11 | abrotman | !tell hdon about apt-file |
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| 12:48.39 | tones | you mean "apt-file | hdon"? |
| 12:48.45 | hellues | what is apt-life |
| 12:48.50 | hdon | abrotman: sweet :) |
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| 12:49.06 | abrotman | tones: no i do not |
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| 12:49.17 | mixxa | hello |
| 12:49.18 | abrotman | !tell hellues about apt-file |
| 12:49.22 | hdon | does apt-file check online? or does it download a huge database? |
| 12:49.39 | hdon | (huge local database) |
| 12:49.44 | tones | abrotman: ah, that a nice trick. im still learning.. |
| 12:49.44 | mixxa | where does apt-get source download source files? |
| 12:50.08 | abrotman | hdon: it downloads a list of files for packages you're pointing at |
| 12:50.08 | hdon | mixxa: i thought it downloaded them to the current working directory |
| 12:50.15 | abrotman | mixxa: your deb-src archive |
| 12:50.21 | hdon | i stand corrected |
| 12:50.28 | abrotman | mixxa: download from or to? |
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| 12:50.36 | mixxa | from |
| 12:50.45 | tones | mixxa: the internet? |
| 12:50.49 | tones | ;) |
| 12:50.54 | abrotman | mixxa: whatever mirror you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list as your deb-src mirror |
| 12:51.00 | mixxa | aha |
| 12:52.33 | rahsputin | Hello, i created a User-Account for my Friends little boy for school work an so on, now my Friend has a HDD which he would not like for his son to be visible, how do i edit /etc/fstab to not let it mount for his son ? |
| 12:52.39 | rahsputin | is that possible |
| 12:53.11 | abrotman | to just the kid? or everyone except the owner? |
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| 12:53.31 | rahsputin | his sons not supposed to view the HDD |
| 12:53.35 | rahsputin | hda4 |
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| 12:53.53 | rahsputin | to everyone except is also ok |
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| 12:55.36 | abrotman | maybe try changing the mount point perms? |
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| 12:57.47 | rahsputin | what i did was /dev/hda4 /media/SPECIAL vfat myfriend,umask=000 0 0 |
| 12:57.58 | rahsputin | abrotman: ^^ |
| 12:58.26 | valdyn | rahsputin: use uid and gid and umask |
| 12:59.00 | abrotman | rahsputin: did that work? |
| 12:59.08 | rahsputin | nope |
| 12:59.14 | valdyn | 000 makes everyone rwx |
| 12:59.18 | abrotman | heh |
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| 12:59.32 | valdyn | rahsputin: so maybe try to understand what umask does, its documented |
| 13:00.00 | rahsputin | ok, thanx |
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| 13:00.52 | rahsputin | valdyn what should i set instead of 000 ? |
| 13:01.53 | salvin | can i force the Auto-installed flag in apt-get? |
| 13:02.33 | valdyn | rahsputin: nice try |
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| 13:04.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | what the fuck is with Nautilus in testing? theres all these different backgrounds for folders. |
| 13:04.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/backgrounds/background colours |
| 13:04.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | seems to be depending on the directories permissions or some shit |
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| 13:05.15 | jelly-home | salvin: "aptitude markauto packagename" |
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| 13:06.31 | asulao | hello. having problems to get to connect to a wifi. scan using wpa_supplicant works ok, so I guess I configured something wrong. where could I get help for this? |
| 13:07.44 | asulao | actually, it must be a hardware specific config, as I already got to connect to same network on another pc using lenny. |
| 13:08.34 | salvin | jelly-home, thanks |
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| 13:09.58 | Assid | err. anyone here using openvz? |
| 13:10.06 | azeem | !anyone |
| 13:10.06 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search>, or <htasq> |
| 13:10.07 | Assid | i cant seem to get cpu limitations to work on it |
| 13:10.37 | Assid | it shows all the cpus, and full processing power on each node |
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| 13:15.54 | youngpro | hey all hope all is well |
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| 13:17.16 | youngpro | i have a directory setup with permissions of user:storage, i want anything that is created inside that directory to be user:storage as opposed to what is currently happening user:userprimarygroup, i am using 775 on my directory... what am i doing wrong? :( |
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| 13:20.00 | die7 | is it true that sign of debian demonstrate Iluminati or number 6 as sign of nwo? |
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| 13:21.05 | Polarina | die7: No, it demonstrates the power of Debian. |
| 13:21.09 | jelly-home | die7: yes, absolutely |
| 13:22.03 | die7 | well yes or no? |
| 13:22.11 | jelly-home | exactly |
| 13:22.27 | fxiny | i think is not 6 but 9 , but i see the world from my own perspective :P |
| 13:22.53 | die7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:23.04 | jelly-home | fxiny: sssh, not in front of foreigners |
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| 13:23.16 | fxiny | jelly-home: ;) |
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| 13:24.35 | die7 | it's also scary that debian declare antivirus prog and firewall as "not needed" tools on own os |
| 13:25.03 | abrotman | die7: which linux version do you know that does? |
| 13:25.37 | die7 | all os need this basic security tools |
| 13:25.42 | abrotman | just wants to know before he uses it |
| 13:25.45 | abrotman | die7: not true at all |
| 13:26.12 | die7 | well then you do not know nothnig about security and linux friend |
| 13:26.21 | abrotman | you said all OS .. |
| 13:26.22 | azeem | die7: do you have a Debian question? |
| 13:26.24 | die7 | whit small bash script you can kill linux |
| 13:26.36 | die7 | azeem: yes |
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| 13:26.49 | maligor | die7, really? do give an example? |
| 13:26.58 | azeem | maligor: please keep it on topic |
| 13:26.58 | die7 | rm -rf / |
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| 13:27.14 | jelly-home | aww. |
| 13:27.20 | creature1 | what was that? |
| 13:27.23 | abrotman | die7: please don't do that again in here, you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 13:27.25 | andash | will that even work? |
| 13:27.33 | creature1 | it sure will |
| 13:27.40 | andash | you sure? |
| 13:27.47 | abrotman | and that has *nothing* to do with a firewall or an antivirus script |
| 13:27.54 | abrotman | erm .. s/script/program/ |
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| 13:28.06 | andash | no, of course not. just curious if it will work or not |
| 13:28.19 | andash | haven't really followed the preserve root debate lately, haha |
| 13:28.19 | jelly-home | I thought firewalls would protect you from local admin stupidity! |
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| 13:28.40 | maligor | debian needs a adminwall |
| 13:28.54 | creature1 | also a fork bomb is pretty effective |
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| 13:29.18 | jelly-home | creature1: yeah, we need firewalls to protect from those, too |
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| 13:29.49 | creature1 | theres a file where you can write a process limit for users |
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| 13:30.18 | andash | does anyone have any references that the rm -rf / will actually work? sorry for bothering you guys, i just remember reading it won't |
| 13:30.28 | abrotman | andash: please stop repeating that |
| 13:30.40 | maligor | andash, install debian on a vm and try? |
| 13:30.41 | jelly-home | andash: if run as root, it makes a lot of damage |
| 13:30.52 | JPT | andash: what exactly do you want to know?^^ |
| 13:30.58 | andash | abrotman: sorry. i didn't mean anything by it |
| 13:31.04 | azeem | newer versions of coreutils might refuse to run it, AFAIK |
| 13:31.09 | zibri | ubuntu has --preserve-root as default iirc |
| 13:31.09 | andash | JPT: if --preserve-root is in use |
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| 13:31.25 | fxiny | azeem: good news |
| 13:31.26 | JPT | mhh.. i don't know about --preserve-root.. |
| 13:31.29 | andash | it's just good to know. |
| 13:31.31 | c459s | Hi. I am able to type norwegian characters in my ssh shell, but if I do this while eding any files using for example vi or pico then the characters show up as garbage. The same happens if i upload a file (utf8) with norwegian characters to the server and try to view it. How can I fix this? |
| 13:31.46 | JPT | but i know that rm -rf <anything> can kill things you still need |
| 13:31.55 | abrotman | c459s: which version of vi, and which version of linux? |
| 13:32.06 | andash | JPT: well that'ts the thing with --preserve-root, it might refuse to remove anything afaik |
| 13:32.18 | andash | if you point it to /, that is |
| 13:32.25 | JPT | mhh... |
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| 13:32.36 | andash | but i'm not sure, that's why i'm asking.. sorry if you were offended |
| 13:32.40 | c459s | abrotman: Debian Lenny, vim 7.1.314 |
| 13:32.48 | abrotman | vim.tiny? vim.full? |
| 13:32.59 | JPT | you should just do 'mv /bin/rm /bin/delete_this_stuff' and you're on the safe side^^ |
| 13:33.23 | jelly-home | c459s: what is the output of "locale" command on the server, and does it look the same as on your local machine? (use a pastebin) |
| 13:33.24 | andash | JPT: haha how does that help? |
| 13:33.45 | JPT | it will help people who just try to start rm -rf / and don't know that you renamed the command |
| 13:33.55 | JPT | and it will help you to realize that you're deleting something ;) |
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| 13:34.03 | abrotman | JPT: and break tons of other stuff in the process |
| 13:34.07 | JPT | yup |
| 13:34.12 | riot | what is the correct way to add a bluetooth mouse? There is no more hidd-stuff in my /etc/default/bluetooth :( |
| 13:34.18 | zibri | btw, man page for rm in lenny says --preserve-root is default. |
| 13:34.19 | andash | JPT: yeah sure, but i'm mainly thinking about typos. |
| 13:34.21 | jelly-home | JPT: it will also break many other shell scripts. Don't suggest "solutions" you haven't tried |
| 13:34.24 | andash | zibri: thank you |
| 13:34.31 | JPT | ;) |
| 13:34.32 | andash | jelly-home: he wasn't serious obviously |
| 13:34.32 | maligor | JPT, it'd stop the admins from handling email fast |
| 13:34.33 | c459s | abrotman, I do not know, the version command doesnt say. |
| 13:34.41 | abrotman | c459s: dpkg -l vi* |
| 13:34.41 | JPT | yeah.. i know^^ |
| 13:35.26 | jelly-home | andash: yeah, it's almost as good a joke as rm -rf slash. |
| 13:35.46 | andash | jelly-home: i didn't say it was funny |
| 13:35.53 | riot | goddess, will those bluetooth devs finally find a static way of configuring things... :(( |
| 13:35.53 | fxiny | what's the sense of recursively remove / ? |
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| 13:36.02 | fxiny | is a stupid command |
| 13:36.05 | andash | fxiny: feels good man |
| 13:36.41 | abrotman | could we move on ? |
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| 13:36.50 | andash | of course |
| 13:36.52 | die7 | os that do not have basic security to avoid selfdestruction is not secure, and if this OS also declare antivir tools and firewalls also ids or ips that's really scary |
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| 13:37.43 | azeem | die7: this is off-topic here |
| 13:37.47 | jelly-home | die7: do you have a support question for Debian? |
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| 13:38.38 | die7 | irc= means internet relay chat, chat = communication !? |
| 13:38.46 | andash | irc != trolling |
| 13:38.47 | azeem | die7: nope, sorry |
| 13:38.55 | azeem | this is a support channel, not a general discussion chat |
| 13:38.58 | abrotman | die7: maybe try #debian-offtopic |
| 13:39.10 | die7 | hmm, just support chat? |
| 13:39.15 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:39.30 | abrotman | ideally, anyways .. and for Debian users |
| 13:39.45 | die7 | well i'm debian user |
| 13:40.04 | simon | die7, #debian-offtopic is, as the name suggests, a channel for debian users to talk off-topic :-) |
| 13:40.05 | c459s | here is the output of the locale command: http://c459s.pastebin.com/d68dadc7 |
| 13:40.23 | azeem | die7: I think we're done; if you have a debian support question, please ask it, otherwise, keep quiet or leave |
| 13:40.24 | die7 | but that do not change bad security status |
| 13:40.33 | c459s | abrotman: its strange, but the command that you told me to run does not output any match. Still vim is installed :) |
| 13:40.34 | abrotman | die7: then use another distro ? |
| 13:40.42 | streuner_ | die7: Hast du nichts besseres zu tun, als hier zu trollen (do you have nothing else to do, other than trolling here) |
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| 13:40.59 | die7 | streuner: imam, ali tebe se to ne intresuje |
| 13:40.59 | maligor | die7, you can get several antivirus products and linux has a spi firewall integrated to the kernel btw |
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| 13:41.05 | azeem | streuner_: great |
| 13:41.33 | agaran | hmm, we are using as many languages on channel as possible? |
| 13:41.38 | abrotman | no, just one |
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| 13:42.01 | die7 | can be that some irc debian support users have really week nervs :) |
| 13:42.05 | agaran | abrotman: in few last lines i saw two besides english |
| 13:42.07 | jelly-home | die7: oladi malo, ako imas sta konkretno pitati pitaj, ako nemas -> #debian-offtopic |
| 13:42.36 | die7 | jelly-home:pleas use off.lang |
| 13:42.39 | jelly-home | highfives streuner_ |
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| 13:42.56 | azeem | jelly-home: please write in english |
| 13:43.21 | azeem | obviously now it takes 10 minutes longer to kick die7 because we have to account for other people being off-topic and non-english |
| 13:43.23 | Polarina | Why aren't the numbers 100%? http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=popularity-contest |
| 13:43.43 | jelly-home | azeem: so kick him already, I won't mind |
| 13:43.48 | azeem | jelly-home: I do |
| 13:43.57 | die7 | no . please |
| 13:43.58 | azeem | Polarina: maybe some embedded people deinstall it |
| 13:44.43 | die7 | is that big famous debian irc supportokratie :) |
| 13:44.52 | azeem | 15:38 < azeem> die7: I think we're done; if you have a debian support question, please ask it, otherwise, keep quiet or leave |
| 13:44.57 | abrotman | die7: please go to #debian-offtopic |
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| 13:47.53 | die7 | :) ok guys that was just joke, from time to time i check temperature on debian irc to see if there some changes :) |
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| 13:48.17 | azeem | die7: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 13:48.21 | jelly-home | Polarina: which numbers? |
| 13:48.24 | azeem | please try to be more signal and less noise in the future |
| 13:48.31 | sky_1 | how i can upgrade my software ? |
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| 13:48.44 | azeem | jelly-home: the at most 99,78% installed for base-passwd |
| 13:49.23 | blouf | m stuck with a code (C) ; what is \003 supposed to return ? |
| 13:49.41 | jelly-home | azeem: "rounding errors"! |
| 13:49.55 | azeem | blouf: please ask elsewhere |
| 13:50.04 | azeem | sky_1: which software? |
| 13:50.23 | c459s | abrotman: is it strange that my terminal now has norwegian characters but not when i edit or view files? |
| 13:50.32 | sky_1 | azeem:all |
| 13:50.41 | abrotman | c459s: unless your editor isn't UTF clean |
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| 13:51.38 | fxiny | btw , i ain't seen any DSA for libsasl2-2 |
| 13:51.46 | azeem | sky_1: use e.g. synaptic |
| 13:52.01 | azeem | or update-manager |
| 13:52.04 | Gun_Smoke | whats up guys.. |
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| 13:52.08 | Gun_Smoke | worked sucked. |
| 13:52.17 | azeem | fxiny: 13:20 < weasel> was there a sasl DSA? |
| 13:52.26 | azeem | Gun_Smoke: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 13:52.40 | fxiny | azeem: ok ,tx |
| 13:52.51 | azeem | no idea what's up with it |
| 13:53.09 | Gun_Smoke | azeem, soon enough.. figured I hand and help at least solve one.. relax I know an introduction to the day is OT.. but fuck |
| 13:53.27 | Gun_Smoke | hand=hang |
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| 13:56.36 | riot | hda has gone 998 days without being checked... ROFLMAO |
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| 13:56.53 | dvs | riot: that can't be a PC |
| 13:56.55 | riot | but my lovely old 755c thinkpad _boots_ again *happyclapsjumpsandparties* |
| 13:57.10 | riot | dvs: oh yes, it is. One of the most pure form you could find. |
| 13:57.14 | riot | dvs: made in 1994 |
| 13:57.21 | riot | and still as new (except the battery) |
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| 13:57.37 | Gun_Smoke | riot, 'date' ? |
| 13:57.41 | riot | now.. root password.. hmhmmmm |
| 13:57.51 | riot | i shoulda kicked grub to boot bash.. |
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| 13:58.17 | riot | Gun_Smoke: it asked me to enter a correct date in bios. Or what do you mean |
| 13:58.24 | qdii | how can I have a program execute itself on a particular tty ? |
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| 13:58.36 | riot | WHOA. Got the password |
| 13:58.36 | qdii | on a specific one (like I want /bin/bash to execute on tty2) |
| 13:58.40 | Gun_Smoke | curious as to what the thing thinks is the correct date |
| 13:58.42 | riot | i'm dumbstruck |
| 13:58.47 | Gun_Smoke | riot, ^ |
| 13:58.58 | riot | Gun_Smoke: two hours in the future. |
| 13:59.03 | Gun_Smoke | ah... |
| 13:59.18 | Gun_Smoke | and the 4 years and change is from the closet? |
| 13:59.19 | riot | but it actually thinks its CEST, not what its supposed to have: utc |
| 13:59.35 | Gun_Smoke | chrony |
| 13:59.45 | riot | Gun_Smoke: somewhat like that. Bookend. |
| 13:59.52 | Gun_Smoke | nice. |
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| 14:00.20 | Gun_Smoke | I don't think chrony will make that big of a time step however.. |
| 14:00.21 | riot | but i just noticed, it has all sorts of nice microcontroller-programming-compatible ports. So it'll be my new microchip programmer :) |
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| 14:00.37 | jelly-home | riot: 16:00 CEST = 14:00 UTC, are you sure the time is wrong? |
| 14:00.39 | abrotman | serial ports? |
| 14:00.42 | riot | loldebiangnu3.0 |
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| 14:01.00 | riot | jelly-home: it says 18.00 whereas 16.00 would be correct |
| 14:01.04 | jelly-home | ah. |
| 14:01.18 | jelly-home | a bios clock setting mismatch |
| 14:01.30 | Gun_Smoke | serial ports.. reminds me to find todays pocket change for the SheevaPlug jar... |
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| 14:01.49 | riot | jelly-home: probably. i set it to local time, whereas utc is expected, obviously |
| 14:05.36 | c459s | If I go back to ISO 8859-1 then everything works perfectly. I think I'll just drop UTF-8 for now. |
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| 14:14.50 | loco_ | hi, how can i make network connections to be brought up automatically at boot? i have them in /etc/network/interfaces, and after boot i have to do ifup ath1 and ifup wlan1 |
| 14:14.53 | loco_ | manually |
| 14:15.23 | azeem | loco_: pastebin your interfaces file |
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| 14:16.16 | sylar | I see realtek 8168b isnt in the kernel |
| 14:16.44 | sylar | is there a plan to put it in a future kernel? |
| 14:17.05 | loco_ | azeem, when i opened the file to copy and paste i noticed i have "uto" and not "auto" in front of the interface name, guess that is it, thanks :) |
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| 14:18.02 | ele | hi |
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| 14:18.16 | azeem | sylar: ask the Linux devloper |
| 14:18.16 | azeem | s |
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| 14:18.29 | zikzak | I switched from Sidux (Xfce) to Lenny (Xfce). Now I'm missing automount of USB-media. Some googeling led me to install thunar-volman. But after installation, even after a reboot, plugged in usb media is not mountet. Any suggestions? |
| 14:19.22 | ele | well.... i still have a problem, no init found try passing = boottarg, it still happends only when i use a precomiled kernel with initrd, my compiled kernel does't have initrd and all goes well, where is the problem ? |
| 14:19.33 | ele | well.... i still have a problem, no init found try passing |
| 14:19.38 | ele | well.... i still have a problem, no init found try passing = boottarg, it still happends only when i use a precomiled kernel with initrd, my compiled kernel does't have initrd and all goes well, where is the problem ? |
| 14:19.42 | ele | oops |
| 14:19.45 | ele | sorry all |
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| 14:31.25 | bolt | in the "simple sid backport" factoid, shouldn't "apt-get build-dep packagename" be "apt-get -t unstable build-dep packagename"? cryptsetup in sid requires cvs to build. the one in testing doesn't. |
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| 14:32.55 | jelly-home | bolt: if you have deb-src for sid, it will have the highest versions available, and chosen by apt because of that |
| 14:33.21 | bolt | jelly-home: hm.. it didn't do that for me |
| 14:33.39 | jelly-home | bolt: do you have other deb-src lines enabled? |
| 14:33.45 | bolt | yep |
| 14:33.49 | bolt | that's why, i guess |
| 14:33.50 | jelly-home | well. |
| 14:34.20 | jelly-home | the factoids also have limited length |
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| 14:39.56 | Tijmen | I just installed Debian 5.0, with the GNOME desktop, and I was wondering how you can add info, like mem usage and RSS feeds? (e.g., http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Screenshot-6.png) |
| 14:40.28 | abrotman | !gdesklets |
| 14:40.28 | dpkg | gDesklets is a system for bringing mini programs (desklets), such as weather forecasts, news tickers, system information displays, or music player controls, onto your desktop, where they are sitting there in a symbiotic relationship of eye candy and usefulness. http://www.gdesklets.de/ |
| 14:40.51 | abrotman | i thnik that's what those are |
| 14:41.00 | Tijmen | ok thanks |
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| 14:47.54 | jelly-home | dpkg: why is dpkg not in testing |
| 14:47.55 | dpkg | dpkg is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=dpkg |
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| 14:56.26 | anewbie | hello guys i have terrible problem with my lan card :( |
| 14:56.30 | anewbie | i install debian lenny |
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| 14:56.40 | anewbie | and can't access internet |
| 14:56.48 | anewbie | but when i use BT live cd |
| 14:56.51 | anewbie | everything is find |
| 14:56.58 | abrotman | anewbie: what kind of network card i sit? |
| 14:57.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 941] by debhelper |
| 14:57.02 | anewbie | the output form dmesg | grep eth |
| 14:57.08 | anewbie | shows eth1: link down |
| 14:57.21 | anewbie | abrotman, realtek 8139 |
| 14:57.30 | anewbie | eth1 : linkdown |
| 14:57.43 | anewbie | eth1: linkup , 10Mbps halfduplex |
| 14:57.44 | anewbie | ? |
| 14:58.01 | abrotman | sounds up to me |
| 14:58.16 | anewbie | yes but 10mbps ? |
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| 14:58.21 | anewbie | it is not functional |
| 14:58.27 | anewbie | i cant access nothing outside |
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| 14:58.45 | anewbie | lsmod | grep 8139 |
| 14:58.49 | anewbie | 8139too |
| 14:58.53 | anewbie | 8139cp |
| 14:58.54 | anewbie | .. |
| 14:58.58 | anewbie | i thing there is ok |
| 14:59.16 | anewbie | but ... why it dont work's with tebian and when i run BT everything's ok |
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| 15:00.17 | anewbie | if someone can help me |
| 15:00.23 | anewbie | please |
| 15:01.05 | zamuro | So... since apt breaks on squeeze, is there a way to fix it? |
| 15:01.23 | zamuro | I mean, debian way... Not installing from sources. Dummies like. |
| 15:02.26 | fxiny | anewbie: lsmod | grep mii ? |
| 15:02.32 | abrotman | zamuro: huh? |
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| 15:02.37 | anewbie | fxiny, yes it is here too |
| 15:02.55 | abrotman | anewbie: did you try to `/etc/init.d/networking restart` when it's not working ? |
| 15:02.57 | anewbie | mii 3896 3 via_rhine,8139too,8139cp |
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| 15:03.38 | zamuro | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=527283 <-- I can't seem to find a solution here. |
| 15:03.47 | anewbie | abrotman, several times |
| 15:03.49 | anewbie | no effect |
| 15:03.49 | anewbie | :( |
| 15:04.22 | abrotman | zamuro: i'd imagine that's been fixed .. it's weeks old |
| 15:04.34 | abrotman | and it says as much at the bottom |
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| 15:06.35 | anewbie | any other sugestions |
| 15:06.36 | anewbie | :( ? |
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| 15:08.12 | abrotman | check your routing table? |
| 15:08.18 | abrotman | does the device even have an IP ? |
| 15:08.24 | abrotman | have you tried a static config? |
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| 15:08.44 | total | guys, how to enable mod rewrite? i have moved module rewrite.load to mods-enabled, restarted apache, nothing happens :( |
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| 15:09.20 | anewbie | hmm |
| 15:09.29 | asg | total: why not use a2enmod |
| 15:09.31 | anewbie | abrotman, i have try in the previous installation and it dont work |
| 15:09.38 | anewbie | but now when i try route add |
| 15:09.49 | anewbie | i recive SIOCADDRT: no such process |
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| 15:10.20 | total | asg, this is module? i cant found it in mods-aviable |
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| 15:12.01 | asg | total: a2enmod rewrite (a2enmod is a utility to enable modules) |
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| 15:13.45 | anewbie | abrotman, now i se in /var/log/syslog |
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| 15:14.00 | anewbie | this is not an 8139C+ compatible chip |
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| 15:14.09 | anewbie | try the 8139too driver instead |
| 15:14.10 | anewbie | ... |
| 15:14.10 | Schuenemann | how do I remove a package installed by a .deb file? |
| 15:14.19 | anewbie | Schuenemann, aptitude purge |
| 15:14.41 | Schuenemann | anewbie, what about apt-get? remove says it wasn't found |
| 15:14.48 | Schuenemann | apt-get remove --purge amaya |
| 15:14.54 | Kvant | dpkg -r/-P pkg-name |
| 15:14.54 | dpkg | Kvant: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 15:15.47 | Schuenemann | aptitude purge won't find it as well |
| 15:16.09 | anewbie | are you sure you type the name correctly |
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| 15:17.28 | Schuenemann | anewbie, yeah, it's simple: amaya |
| 15:17.41 | Schuenemann | ii amaya wx-11.2-pre3-1 XHTML, MathML, and SVG editor from w3.org |
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| 15:17.55 | Kvant | try dpkg -P amaya |
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| 15:18.50 | Schuenemann | Kvant, it was removed... what's the difference? |
| 15:19.30 | Schuenemann | apt-get requires it to be in sources.list? |
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| 15:20.48 | Kvant | dunno, apt-get removed dpkg -i:ed packages fine for me |
| 15:21.30 | Schuenemann | oh well |
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| 15:21.59 | Schuenemann | thanks |
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| 15:28.51 | total | thanks asg, looks like error was in apache2.conf configuration |
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| 15:30.15 | necroforest | Can you set up encrypted LVM manually (not using guided partitioning)? |
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| 15:30.22 | necroforest | (During install) |
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| 15:30.41 | kornerr | hi |
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| 15:31.02 | kornerr | can anyone give me docs stating that one cannot use debian packages for ubuntu? |
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| 15:31.50 | abrotman | wouldn't you want to ask #ubuntu ? |
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| 15:32.34 | ajavid | kornerr, One can. One shouldn't. |
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| 15:32.56 | jozefk | hi |
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| 15:33.06 | ajavid | kornerr, the reasons are plenty for why one shouldn't. However, if one choses to, one still can. I'm tired of saying one. |
| 15:33.19 | ajavid | hi |
| 15:33.26 | asg | kornerr: the worst that can happen is that things fundamentally break. The best that can happen is that things work, for a while. |
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| 15:34.03 | kornerr | hm |
| 15:34.06 | kornerr | any docs please? |
| 15:34.08 | kornerr | about that |
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| 15:34.56 | radivx | Anyone know anything about nvidia ion compatibility? Any known issues? |
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| 15:36.01 | abrotman | kornerr: why would you need documentation? |
| 15:36.13 | kornerr | I want to prove a noob it's so |
| 15:36.15 | kornerr | lol |
| 15:36.19 | kornerr | he doesn't believe me |
| 15:36.35 | abrotman | and why are you asking here? he's running ubuntu |
| 15:36.55 | kornerr | no, no one could give me any docs like that at #ubuntu |
| 15:37.00 | kornerr | so I asked here |
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| 15:37.31 | abrotman | not our problem .. if he doesn't believe you, he'll keep doing it and break his system eventually |
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| 15:37.43 | bzed | it may work, or not. |
| 15:37.54 | bzed | with very very good chances that it will not work |
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| 15:39.57 | valdyn | radivx: why would there be any issue? |
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| 15:41.00 | valdyn | kornerr: theres no specific docs, thats pointless, this is a general issue of several things, like how packaging works, how linux has no ABI stability |
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| 15:41.42 | kornerr | abi =? |
| 15:41.45 | abrotman | !abi |
| 15:41.45 | dpkg | it has been said that abi is application binary interface. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges |
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| 15:42.29 | valdyn | kornerr: and i meant linux the whole distro, not the kernel <-> userspace interface |
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| 15:43.21 | kornerr | I see, thanks |
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| 15:44.05 | valdyn | kornerr: dependency resolution only works under specific requirements |
| 15:44.08 | radivx | valdyn: because the ion platform is kind of new? and the netbooks needed a large bunch of tweaks to work properly when they first came. So I just wanted to confirm that it's working properly with debian before I buy one. |
| 15:44.18 | valdyn | kornerr: like a package actually containing what the other package expects |
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| 15:44.37 | valdyn | kornerr: thats not at all the case across distros |
| 15:45.36 | radivx | valdyn: I'm especially thinking of features like HDMI and S/PDIF |
| 15:45.56 | valdyn | radivx: ion works on a different layer, thats unrelated |
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| 15:49.11 | radivx | valdyn: What do you mean by unrelated? |
| 15:49.20 | valdyn | !dict unrelated |
| 15:49.23 | dpkg | Dictionary 'unrelated' (2 of 4): not connected or associated ;; not connected by kinship . |
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| 15:51.37 | radivx | valdyn: I know what the word 'unrelated' means. I was wondering why asking about audio and video working properly was unrelated to the ion-platform. |
| 15:51.52 | valdyn | radivx: ion is just a window manager |
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| 15:52.15 | fxiny | i think he's talking about nvidia+atom |
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| 15:52.29 | valdyn | fxiny: wheres ion there? |
| 15:52.32 | radivx | valdyn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVIDIA_ION <-- Talking about the computer |
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| 15:52.41 | radivx | *system |
| 15:52.41 | fxiny | valdyn: they call it ion |
| 15:52.54 | valdyn | radivx: ok, you need to ask nvidia about this |
| 15:53.05 | fxiny | valdyn: i bet the ion author he's not happy , again ;) |
| 15:53.17 | valdyn | indeed |
| 15:53.49 | valdyn | radivx: NVIDIA's GeForce 9400M is probaby listed as supported |
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| 15:54.31 | valdyn | i think you might need a beta driver though |
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| 15:57.34 | valdyn | radivx: or appearantly nvidia claims to support it with their stable driver |
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| 15:57.57 | radivx | valdyn: sounds good =) |
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| 16:09.28 | necroforest | Can you set up encrypted LVM manually (not using guided partitioning) during install? I want to do EXT4 on an encrypted LVM. |
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| 16:18.59 | sladi | Hi! An init script for wdaemon (pen tablet hotplugging) won't work. Here are the error and script: http://pastebin.com/m3f008008 The first time it complained about line 37 too. |
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| 16:20.08 | sladi | It just needs to load but and Xorg can use it then. I have no experience with thee scripts however. |
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| 16:22.36 | pif | hi, I'm struggling to connect my bluetooth keyboard with bluez new package, the hidd daemon disapeared, any idea how to proceed? |
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| 16:23.31 | Alam_Lenny | pif, /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart |
| 16:23.57 | pif | is bluetoothd supposed to manage hid connections now |
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| 16:35.00 | anewbie | hello guys i have problem with debian lenny |
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| 16:35.16 | abrotman | again? |
| 16:35.24 | anewbie | yes |
| 16:35.26 | anewbie | :D |
| 16:35.31 | anewbie | same probolem duude |
| 16:35.35 | anewbie | this is .... imposible |
| 16:35.47 | anewbie | the correct driver is 8139too |
| 16:35.56 | anewbie | with BT live work perfectly |
| 16:36.05 | anewbie | but lenny cant ... do it i am stuck |
| 16:36.22 | anewbie | make my 5 installation now |
| 16:36.29 | anewbie | and the problem is still there |
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| 16:37.46 | fxiny | anewbie: could be acpi related , google for "debian realtek acpi" |
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| 16:39.06 | simon | if I set LANG=en_DE and LC_MESSAGES=en_US and LC_ALL=en_DE, would the LC_MESSAGES implicitly override LC_ALL? |
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| 16:42.06 | jelly-home | what are you trying to do with an "en_DE" locale, simon? |
| 16:42.42 | mandric | does anyone happen to know a company that provides a managed box I can rent for around $120/month? |
| 16:42.51 | anewbie | fxiny, i see that ubuntu guys have the same bug |
| 16:43.05 | mandric | ... or recommends a company |
| 16:43.13 | simon | jelly-home, to be able to type national letters but preserve all language in man files and command-line arguments as english. |
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| 16:43.32 | fxiny | anewbie: can you try that and report it back here ? |
| 16:43.44 | simon | mandric, there are many companies that do that. |
| 16:43.50 | anewbie | fxiny, i make new installation |
| 16:43.53 | mandric | simon: yea i figured that much |
| 16:44.00 | nkuttler | simon: http://pastebin.com/m1381cd90 works for e |
| 16:44.02 | nkuttler | me |
| 16:44.03 | fxiny | anewbie: i mean the acpi off |
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| 16:44.14 | mandric | simon: do you have a recommendation? |
| 16:44.14 | jelly-home | simon: leave everything at default except LC_CTYPE and LC_MESSAGES, then. Change those to some locale that suits you _and exists_ |
| 16:44.16 | fxiny | anewbie: to see if that works |
| 16:44.20 | jayeola | is python-doc from the contrib repo? |
| 16:44.23 | simon | nkuttler, danke. |
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| 16:44.36 | anewbie | oh sorry |
| 16:44.41 | anewbie | i will trq irqpoll |
| 16:44.50 | Cynope | Hello guys! A script is running when I login in to my linux and I can't find which program invokes it, any ideas? |
| 16:44.51 | anewbie | ... and then will report again they solve the problem |
| 16:44.54 | anewbie | with the new release |
| 16:44.55 | anewbie | ... |
| 16:45.03 | anewbie | may be i must instal squuze |
| 16:45.05 | anewbie | or new kernel |
| 16:45.31 | nkuttler | Cynope: paste it's output |
| 16:45.44 | Cynope | nkuttler: Output of what? |
| 16:46.05 | Cynope | nkuttler: It's a script I wrote a long timeee ago for setting my backlight. |
| 16:46.29 | Cynope | nkuttler: the problem is I don't know where did I put the invokation :P |
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| 16:46.56 | nkuttler | Cynope: check /etc/init.d/ |
| 16:47.30 | nkuttler | Cynope: oh, login. check your bashrc, _profile etc |
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| 16:49.04 | ASDaswq | hi |
| 16:49.23 | Cynope | nkuttler: "for i in $(ls /etc/init.d/); do grep setbacklight.sh $i; done" didnt return anything. |
| 16:49.39 | Cynope | nkuttler: and I also checked bashrc, _profile it wasn't there either; |
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| 16:50.33 | Cynope | nkuttler: btw the name of my script is obviously setbacklight.sh |
| 16:52.09 | anewbie | fxiny |
| 16:52.18 | anewbie | do you other sugestions exept the new kernell |
| 16:52.19 | anewbie | ? |
| 16:52.40 | fxiny | anewbie: nope |
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| 16:52.53 | anewbie | :( |
| 16:52.54 | anewbie | poor |
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| 16:53.31 | Cynope | is there anyway to log access es to a file in linux? |
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| 16:54.16 | anewbie | whtich one is the new kernel version |
| 16:54.18 | anewbie | i run 2.6.26 |
| 16:54.19 | nkuttler | Cynope: locate |
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| 16:54.41 | unop | Cynope, is it a script run when the user logs in? |
| 16:54.53 | Cynope | nkuttler: I already know where the file is I'm just trying to find which STARTUP shell invokes it. |
| 16:55.07 | nkuttler | Cynope: bash? |
| 16:55.19 | nkuttler | Cynope: grep setbacklight.sh |
| 16:55.21 | unop | grep -inHR setbacklight.sh ~/ |
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| 16:55.26 | nkuttler | Cynope: grep setbacklight.sh ~/.bash* |
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| 16:55.39 | Cynope | Thanks. * TRying now * |
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| 16:56.09 | allu2 | hey i got "new" graphix card but i can't get game teeworlds show right, it shows very very slow |
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| 16:56.44 | allu2 | lspci = mount /dev/hdb1 /msnt | mount /dev/hdb3 /mnt/home |
| 16:56.48 | allu2 | frond |
| 16:56.49 | allu2 | :P |
| 16:56.58 | allu2 | and fixed the mistakes in it already :P |
| 16:57.00 | allu2 | *wrong |
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| 16:57.09 | allu2 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) |
| 16:59.32 | allu2 | anyone can help me with this? |
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| 17:00.04 | Cynope | nkuttler, unop: Nothing yet :( --- nkuttler, your version didn't return anything. unop version is still running; |
| 17:00.36 | Cynope | unop: I fill my laptop got warm like 5~10 degrees. LoL |
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| 17:00.42 | Cynope | s/fill/feel |
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| 17:10.24 | Cynope | unop: *Still running @.@* I hope it doesnt follow SymLinks. |
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| 17:14.43 | lolufail | oh hai guise! |
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| 17:14.49 | helloworld | hi |
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| 17:15.33 | lolufail | my vsftpd is kinda slow, like it's limiting to 400kbit/s... though it's the default config... no iptables.. any ideas? same with sshfs, lighttpd, but not scp -.- |
| 17:15.51 | lolufail | not limited == 1gbit |
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| 17:16.04 | helloworld | question : i wanted to check programming menu on applications by menu editor on Debian-5.0.1 but didn't work, when i checked the icon, it's keep returning to unchecked. |
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| 17:17.11 | helloworld | i meant i wanted to add programming menu folder with it. |
| 17:19.25 | helloworld | does anyone know how to add that? please :( |
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| 17:26.24 | lolufail | re |
| 17:26.40 | lolufail | any ideas about my weird speed limit problem? |
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| 17:28.38 | lolufail | hm.. what was the name of that little tcp bandwith test tool |
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| 17:29.06 | mavhc | iperf? |
| 17:29.31 | lolufail | mavhc: yes, thanks |
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| 17:34.43 | lolufail | hmm, another question: wtf is the verify command for mdadm? cant find it in manual and/or interwebs |
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| 17:35.53 | nan8 | lolufail: do you mean checkarray? |
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| 17:36.26 | jelly-home | /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray ? |
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| 17:37.17 | lolufail | ah, yes! |
| 17:37.18 | lolufail | indead |
| 17:37.22 | lolufail | indeed |
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| 17:44.13 | helloworld | hello |
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| 17:46.30 | lolufail | ok, I tried with iperf, I do have serveral 100mbit (dont know for sure, didnt wanna tell 10x100mbit roots to try simultaneously, but I set up 2, with returned 95.1mbit/s + 89.0mbit/s)... so why can I download files so damn slow?! |
| 17:46.32 | helloworld | hello :P |
| 17:46.42 | helloworld | need a little help :P |
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| 17:51.22 | MeYouWe | Hi |
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| 17:52.11 | helloworld | hi :) |
| 17:52.15 | helloworld | hi hi hi :) |
| 17:52.21 | helloworld | finally i have the answer :) |
| 17:52.34 | helloworld | you are the only one alive here :) |
| 17:53.13 | helloworld | where are you from MeYouWe ? |
| 17:53.18 | adb | helloworld: keep on topic , please |
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| 17:53.31 | helloworld | i did :) no one answered my question |
| 17:53.42 | helloworld | so i was waiting... |
| 17:53.59 | helloworld | question : i wanted to check programming menu on applications by menu editor on Debian-5.0.1 but didn't work, when i checked the icon, it's keep returning to unchecked. |
| 17:54.11 | helloworld | i meant add the programming folder menu |
| 17:54.22 | helloworld | but didn't work it with main menu editor |
| 17:54.42 | lolufail | damn pidgin client can't /ignore |
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| 17:55.14 | dvs | lolufail: use X-chat ;-) |
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| 17:56.28 | lolufail | dvs: I'm running windows ;) and wanna use 1 prog for all messaging stuff, so I chose pidgin, gotta live with it ;) |
| 17:57.02 | dvs | lolufail: why not Seamonkey? ;-) |
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| 17:57.14 | jimcooncat | is there a handy command-line tool for converting a linux text file to a windows text file? |
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| 17:57.25 | dvs | jimcooncat: sed |
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| 17:57.34 | zumgag | Hi. I have a partition on a harddrive that is already filled with data, is there a way to create a new raid1 array with mdadm (using a second partition on a second drive) keeping (and thus copying) the data from the first partition without using a legacy layout without superblock? |
| 17:57.35 | helloworld | :( |
| 17:57.39 | peppe | jimcooncat: unix2dos |
| 17:57.46 | lolufail | dvs: seamonkey can't jabber&icq :P |
| 17:57.50 | jimcooncat | thanks peppe |
| 17:57.52 | orak3l | ive just installed one harddisk wih windows xp into my computer. now i want to boot from it. |
| 17:57.54 | cahoot | jimcooncat: might also look for unix2dos |
| 17:58.06 | cahoot | doh |
| 17:58.08 | helloworld | main menu editor is not working :( |
| 17:58.12 | jimcooncat | dvs: sed's a hoot! |
| 17:58.34 | dvs | jimcooncat: it's an elephant gun to swat a fly. ;-) |
| 17:58.38 | orak3l | ive configured grub with the appropriate options |
| 17:58.42 | zumgag | or do I really have to wipe the drive, then --create the raid using mdadm and manually restore from backups? |
| 17:58.46 | orak3l | but it still fails with 0xf error |
| 17:59.09 | orak3l | im using ahci configuration in my bios |
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| 18:00.07 | orak3l | all my hd's are recognized like /dev/sdXX even if they are old ide harddrives |
| 18:00.45 | orak3l | grub is installed on /dev/sda |
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| 18:01.09 | orak3l | linux root is /dev/sda3 |
| 18:01.40 | gribozavr | hi, i noticed that in latest testing if you enter an invalid username at the login prompt, you get "login incorrect" immediately, rather then being asked for password. bug or feature? |
| 18:02.07 | dvs | gribozavr: I'd call that a bug. |
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| 18:02.45 | helloworld | hi MeYouWe :) |
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| 18:03.13 | MeYouWe | hi |
| 18:03.40 | Lopuz | in which file are name server specified in NetworkManager? |
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| 18:05.27 | sparr | for a desktop machine, how long do you go between reinstalls? |
| 18:05.30 | sparr | OS reinstalls, that is |
| 18:05.46 | zumgag | forever |
| 18:06.01 | zumgag | there's no reason to do reinstalls, ever. |
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| 18:06.57 | zumgag | (unless you make some horrible mistake of course) :-) |
| 18:07.05 | sparr | after a few dozen dist-upgrades I tend to encounter package "cruft"... things not quite handled right by upgrade scripts. and then there's the wealth of new features in large packages (like KDE) that are not evident when using old config files. |
| 18:07.27 | zumgag | the curft can easily be managed |
| 18:07.37 | dvs | sparr: use deborphan |
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| 18:08.09 | zumgag | deborphan, searching for files with only config files (~c) or obsolete (~o) |
| 18:08.23 | sparr | that's not really what I'm referring to |
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| 18:08.25 | gribozavr | just clean up your home dir from old configs first. and when upgrading kde, i first uninstalled kde3 altogether, then installed kde4 cleanly |
| 18:08.30 | zumgag | and regarding the configs of something like kde, if you feel you need a fresh start there, just delete the dotfiles |
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| 18:10.14 | orak3l | i try to ask more specific. the kernel recognizes my harddrives only if i enable SATA + ATA SFF support. after that all of my partitions are displayed as /dev/sdXX even the ide drives. i guess grub cant handle this situation properly. am i right? |
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| 18:11.33 | dvs | orak3l: you can specify the drives in the menu.lst file by the UUID= or LABEL= identifiers |
| 18:11.46 | orak3l | the windows xp partition is /dev/sdc1. /boot/grub/device.map shows hd(2) = /dev/sdc |
| 18:12.05 | sparr | so you guys have debian desktops running after years and don't experience problems? |
| 18:12.22 | orak3l | dvs, thx. i will try that |
| 18:12.33 | sparr | another thing is package conflicts... they pop up one at a time, and resolving them by hand isn't so hard, but as time goes on they add up |
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| 18:14.07 | sparr | when I ran debian I reinstalled every year or two to resolve these problems |
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| 18:15.21 | midkniht | bad debian user |
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| 18:15.54 | sparr | midkniht: "atypical" debian user |
| 18:15.55 | ivevyxexi | Hi.. I'm trying to PXE install debian on a system. I downloaded and first dvd iso and mounted it on a local server. The machine boots up fine until the mirror selection where it fails. httpd log show that it is unable to find the file dists/lenny/Release.gpg |
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| 18:16.22 | sparr | I can see how these problems would be far less evident when running a pure-debian (no external repos) system, and not mixing releases. |
| 18:18.38 | SQlvpapir | ivevyxexi: I use this combined with a http proxy to cache the debs http://www.howtoforge.com/setting-up-a-pxe-install-server-for-multiple-linux-distributions-on-debian-lenny |
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| 18:19.46 | SQlvpapir | its called apt-cache iirc.. helps get the newest packages in the first try - no reason to upgrade after installing |
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| 18:20.30 | sparr | midkniht: so you have an everyday usage debian desktop that you don't experience these problems with after years? |
| 18:20.55 | sparr | I'm not talking about a server, I'm talking about a machine used for office/gaming every day, with new packages installed every week |
| 18:20.57 | ivevyxexi | SQlvpapir: I've already seen that. I was however hoping if I could use this mounted iso itself. I've done it with Fedora earlier, so I was hoping to do the same with Debian. |
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| 18:22.30 | Zoness | On a Lenny VPS every time I run any apt-get command I get "Segmentation faultsts... 0%" ...any idea what could cause this and how to fix it? thank you |
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| 18:22.56 | hjb | Zoness: do you have checked that your RAM is ok? |
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| 18:23.19 | Zoness | what is the command to check? I have rebooted once today, for the record |
| 18:23.36 | pickcoder | sparr: there is no reason to have to reinstall unless you've royally botched packages up or your hardware is causing file corruption |
| 18:23.39 | midkniht | dont use debian on the desktop but on one machine and i never reload it, its running stable for coding |
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| 18:24.03 | hjb | Zoness: oh wait, you're on a VP |
| 18:24.07 | Zoness | yeah |
| 18:24.19 | hjb | Zoness: hmm, that doesn't make things easier |
| 18:24.25 | Zoness | it could be memory related because I get memory allocation errors on some programs |
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| 18:24.45 | hjb | Zoness: sounds a lot like that the memory is ill |
| 18:24.59 | hjb | Zoness: but hte prob is that you can't check it :-/ |
| 18:25.26 | Zoness | yeah :/ |
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| 18:25.31 | Zoness | I will have to file a support ticket I guess |
| 18:25.35 | hjb | Zoness: did you ask your ISP? |
| 18:25.39 | hjb | Zoness: oh, ok |
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| 18:25.46 | hjb | Zoness: yeah, i think so |
| 18:25.58 | Zoness | apache and php and mysql seem to work |
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| 18:26.12 | hjb | strange, no errors? |
| 18:26.13 | Zoness | see i needed apt-get to install gcc which is apparently missing :S |
| 18:26.23 | Zoness | pages still load fine |
| 18:26.42 | Zoness | http://67.159.18.54/test.php |
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| 18:28.30 | Batch | ello. |
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| 18:28.31 | Batch | When i use the following command, xrootconsole pops up but doesn't stay. How can i fix it? :< |
| 18:28.31 | Batch | tail -f /var/log/wtmp /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages | xrootconsole -fg purple --wrap -bw 2 -bd purple -geometry 125x30+340+184 & |
| 18:28.31 | bookmark | good morning fraggles |
| 18:28.45 | hjb | Zoness: you should not provde that detailed information to the wide public ;) |
| 18:28.55 | Zoness | no big deal it wont stay |
| 18:29.02 | hjb | Zoness: $hacker may use it to find security holes in your config |
| 18:29.03 | Zoness | this is experimental anyways |
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| 18:29.10 | hjb | Zoness: ok |
| 18:29.10 | Batch | Why not Zoness? |
| 18:29.16 | Zoness | theres probably a bunch of holes :S |
| 18:29.26 | Zoness | Batch because I am terrible with linux and learning :) |
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| 18:29.34 | Zoness | at least from the server administration perspective |
| 18:29.37 | Batch | heh |
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| 18:29.42 | hjb | :) |
| 18:29.56 | hjb | do you have reinstalled that vserver? |
| 18:29.56 | bookmark | crab rangoon |
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| 18:30.43 | Zoness | I think I can get it re-installed and start fresh |
| 18:31.13 | gnewb | That is what a good backup routine is for. |
| 18:32.01 | hjb | Zoness: if you don't have any content on it, i'd suggest that |
| 18:32.10 | Zoness | yeah I don't have anything important on it |
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| 18:32.24 | bookmark | hosaka |
| 18:32.33 | hjb | Zoness: but after all, i think that the ISP has an ill memory chip somewhere in their machine |
| 18:33.08 | hjb | Zoness: and you've got a portion of that ill memory dedicated for your vsp ;) |
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| 18:35.50 | Zoness | lol |
| 18:35.51 | Zoness | yeah |
| 18:35.59 | Zoness | well mostly I want to make my box run OpenVPN |
| 18:36.05 | Zoness | but apparently it doesnt even have gcc |
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| 18:36.39 | hjb | Zoness: are you sure that it does support VPN? my vserver has no tun device :-( |
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| 18:37.28 | Zoness | one sec |
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| 18:40.22 | bookmark | HEY! anyone know what library modeinfo.Winganularity would come from? |
| 18:40.25 | bookmark | hehe |
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| 18:42.02 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 18:42.07 | nslater | when i insert my ipod, vlc is launched and starts playing stuff. i dont want this to happen. i am using gnome. any clues? |
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| 18:42.27 | pickcoder | anyone know what provides Apache2::request perl mod? I've install libapreq2 and I'm still getting an error. |
| 18:42.44 | hjb | nslater: you can config that in (from memory) settings->removabnle media |
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| 18:43.07 | pickcoder | undefined subroutine &Apache2::request blahblah |
| 18:43.59 | Posterdati | please I got a problem with a blekin bu30: 250V output voltage and it switches on battery even with the net on |
| 18:44.24 | pickcoder | Posterdati: what does that have to do with Debian? |
| 18:44.42 | agaran | pickcoder: i assume he uses that device to deliver power to debian box;) |
| 18:44.54 | Posterdati | pickcoder: nut :) |
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| 18:45.14 | pickcoder | and? |
| 18:45.19 | pickcoder | Debian is breaking it? |
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| 18:45.35 | Posterdati | pickcoder: I'm just asking if someone has got same product... |
| 18:45.37 | pickcoder | try #hardware |
| 18:45.43 | Posterdati | pickcoder: no |
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| 18:46.55 | Posterdati | pickcoder: ok thanks |
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| 18:47.46 | hark | nslater: nautilus-file-management-properties |
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| 18:48.34 | hjb | hark: sure? |
| 18:48.46 | hjb | hark: i remebered a different diaglog |
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| 18:49.42 | hjb | nslater hark something like gnome-volume-properties |
| 18:49.43 | nslater | hark: thanks! |
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| 18:50.46 | hark | yeah, it's a mess |
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| 18:52.21 | Decepticon | do exclude arguments to tar have to be arranged in alphabetical order? |
| 18:52.51 | hjb | Decepticon: tha man page says: no |
| 18:53.04 | hjb | Decepticon: why do you think they'd have to? |
| 18:53.19 | Decepticon | it seems like im getting things packed that i excluded |
| 18:53.31 | Decepticon | thought it might have to do with order it looks through or something |
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| 18:53.48 | hjb | desti: maybe something's wrong with your PATTERN? |
| 18:54.15 | Decepticon | thats possible, but ive rechecked :/ |
| 18:54.16 | hjb | desti: sorry, not meant for you |
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| 18:55.35 | hjb | Decepticon: what gets included and how does you pattarn look like? |
| 18:56.21 | Decepticon | hjb, its sudo tar -cpzf home.tgz --exclude=/home/bizinichi/torrents/files/Bibliotik/* --exclude=/home/bizinichi/torrents/watch/Bibliotik/* --exclude=/home/bizinichi/public_html/tor/Bibliotik/*/home/bizinichi/ |
| 18:56.26 | Decepticon | but with a LOT of exclude options |
| 18:56.35 | Decepticon | in the similar manner |
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| 18:57.04 | hjb | Decepticon: ehm, try adding '' around the pathes of the exclude |
| 18:57.11 | Decepticon | ah yes |
| 18:57.20 | hjb | Decepticon: else the * will be interpreted by the shell ;) |
| 18:57.23 | Decepticon | so --exclude="blabla" |
| 18:57.29 | Decepticon | so --exclude="blabla/*" |
| 18:57.32 | Decepticon | or ? |
| 18:57.33 | AndreSoares | Hi |
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| 18:57.53 | hjb | Decepticon: i'd use '' instead of "", but, yeah :) |
| 18:58.06 | Decepticon | oh my |
| 18:58.08 | Decepticon | i cant see that |
| 18:58.13 | Decepticon | or tell the difference |
| 18:58.35 | Decepticon | first set is single quotes, yes? |
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| 18:58.43 | hjb | Decepticon: ehm ok, i'd use single quotes instead of double quotes |
| 18:58.50 | hjb | Decepticon: yes, right |
| 18:58.51 | Decepticon | ah ha :D |
| 18:59.10 | hjb | Decepticon: something's wrong with your client or ith mine? |
| 18:59.19 | Decepticon | its me and my eyesight |
| 18:59.26 | Decepticon | :) |
| 18:59.45 | Decepticon | hjb, thanks ill give that a try |
| 18:59.53 | hjb | Decepticon: heh :) try to get better glasses or increase the font size ;) |
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| 19:01.55 | leejongwook | hi |
| 19:03.05 | Lish | any link for directories discriptions? i.e /sys /proc /etc etc etc |
| 19:03.09 | leejongwook | QUESTION : System -> Preferences -> Main Menu <-- this is not working property. is it normal ? |
| 19:03.50 | leejongwook | i can't modify main menu with it. especially programming folder, can not make it visible |
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| 19:04.41 | nkuttler | !tell Lish about fhs |
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| 19:06.55 | bbelt16ag | um guys what's the diff on apache1 and apache2? |
| 19:07.05 | leejongwook | version |
| 19:07.10 | leejongwook | upgraded |
| 19:07.11 | hjb | bbelt16ag: version? |
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| 19:07.13 | bbelt16ag | and if I got a app using apache1 and install apcache2 will it screw up? |
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| 19:07.34 | nkuttler | bbelt16ag: install both, test on different port |
| 19:07.40 | bbelt16ag | ... |
| 19:07.48 | leejongwook | well that's the right answer i think |
| 19:08.03 | leejongwook | all you need to do it test on it with enough time |
| 19:08.32 | hjb | hmm, which app would depnd on a diffrent version of a web server? |
| 19:08.43 | leejongwook | web application |
| 19:08.54 | leejongwook | php.. java... etc.. |
| 19:08.59 | hjb | it should only depend on a different version of it's $script_language module ;) |
| 19:09.04 | leejongwook | i meant server side script language |
| 19:09.06 | nkuttler | !apache1 |
| 19:09.06 | dpkg | i heard apache 1.3 is obsolete, see http://bugs.debian.org/418266 and ask me about <apache2> instead. |
| 19:09.13 | bbelt16ag | ?!?! |
| 19:09.33 | bbelt16ag | transmission is using it.. |
| 19:10.12 | nkuttler | bbelt16ag: really, test it |
| 19:10.12 | hjb | bbelt16ag: transmission the bittorrent client? |
| 19:10.18 | bbelt16ag | yes |
| 19:10.21 | hjb | bbelt16ag: no |
| 19:10.25 | bbelt16ag | don't know if it can use 2 |
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| 19:10.34 | bbelt16ag | stoping one and starting 2 |
| 19:10.49 | leejongwook | <--- having really big problem with gnome-menu, someone please help me out if you know something about gotta have to done this |
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| 19:11.07 | leejongwook | can't add programming folder to applications |
| 19:11.11 | bbelt16ag | ok works |
| 19:11.13 | hjb | bbelt16ag: Depends: transmission-cli (>= 1.22-1), transmission-gtk (>= 1.22-1), transmission-common (= 1.22-1) |
| 19:11.14 | bbelt16ag | cool |
| 19:11.16 | leejongwook | gnome-menu |
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| 19:11.42 | leejongwook | <-- using debian 5.0.1 |
| 19:11.49 | bbelt16ag | how do I change which one starts at boot, sorry forgot... |
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| 19:12.10 | hjb | leejongwook: did you try to change it as root? |
| 19:12.24 | leejongwook | root can not log-in to gnome-desktop |
| 19:12.29 | hjb | leejongwook: IIRC there were some menus which couldn't be changed as a plain user |
| 19:12.30 | leejongwook | so couldn't |
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| 19:12.40 | hyper_ch | I'm trying to setup a chroot environment by issuing : debootstrap --include=$pkg lenny /mnt however that fails with this error: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt mount -t proc proc /proc --> what's wrong here? |
| 19:13.01 | leejongwook | i see.. how do i log on as root to gnome-desktop then ? |
| 19:13.02 | hjb | leejongwook: ok, sorry. i'm not using gnome anymore |
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| 19:13.16 | leejongwook | oh i see but it helped me a lot |
| 19:13.18 | gihan | hello, im using debian and when i restart netowrking im getting this error Reconfiguring network interfaces...if-up.d/mountnfs[eth0]: waiting for interface eth0:0 before doing NFS mounts (warning). what could be the error? ifconfig shows lot of drops in RX packets |
| 19:13.19 | leejongwook | thanks a lot hjb :) |
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| 19:13.37 | leejongwook | i'll find out, i've got enough hit |
| 19:13.38 | norc_ | Can I abuse the debian netinst cd to install grub on my harddrive? |
| 19:13.39 | leejongwook | thanks :) |
| 19:13.39 | hjb | leejongwook: typing in root and password at the login screen? |
| 19:13.50 | hjb | norc_: sure |
| 19:13.57 | leejongwook | i did but it says i cant with root account |
| 19:13.58 | leejongwook | :) |
| 19:14.00 | leejongwook | thanks ~ |
| 19:14.01 | norc_ | hjb, great thanks |
| 19:14.11 | leejongwook | bye all |
| 19:14.15 | hjb | leejongwook: bye |
| 19:15.15 | hjb | gihan: is anything nt working? |
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| 19:16.06 | gihan | hjb: working but there is a drop on upload speed |
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| 19:16.27 | pickcoder | gihan: look at your routing table |
| 19:16.39 | pickcoder | you should have one default gateway |
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| 19:17.10 | pickcoder | also make sure that you don't have any IP conflicts on virtual devices |
| 19:17.42 | sparr | I wonder if there is a correlation between the people who say linux doesn't need reinstalling on a regular (but not often) basis and people who say ext* never needs defragging... |
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| 19:18.25 | hjb | gihan: sounds like either you wsize option is different after the mount or that you duplex/half-dupley setting is altered |
| 19:18.47 | Brandon | Stop saying gateway damn it :( |
| 19:19.28 | hjb | sparr: ?!? what kind of problem do you have? |
| 19:19.58 | gihan | hjb: im a newbie for linux. its my server. error got after added second ip |
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| 19:21.34 | sparr | hjb: well, two-fold. I need to defrag /home (rarely), and I find that reinstalling (less rarely) is a good practice to resolve all sorts of long term issues |
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| 19:21.55 | edavis | What package is used for openssl? |
| 19:22.22 | stew | edavis: "openssl" |
| 19:22.22 | simonrvn | !+tell edavis -about search |
| 19:22.24 | dpkg | told edavis about search. |
| 19:23.23 | hjb | sparr: what kind of long-term problems? |
| 19:23.37 | hjb | sparr: i've never had any long-term problems |
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| 19:25.40 | paxcoder | is there any real alternative to yahoo and google? |
| 19:26.17 | gihan | http://paste2.org/p/234829 this way is correct configuring second ip? |
| 19:26.29 | sparr | paxcoder: if you're willing to put yahoo in the same class as google then yes, plenty of search engines are better than yahoo |
| 19:26.43 | sparr | hjb: you're installing a new package, and it conflicts with an old one. not a real conflict, just CONFLICTS, so you end up resolving it in any of various undesirable ways. later on that comes back to haunt you when you need to do something with one of those two packages |
| 19:26.57 | edavis | simonrvn, stew: I've installed quite a few of packages for openssl, and for the ircd I'm compiling, it says I don't have openssl |
| 19:27.01 | paxcoder | sparr: join #debian-offtopic plz. i forgot and posted here |
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| 19:28.15 | stew | edavis: to compile somehting against openssl, you'd want the libssl-dev package |
| 19:28.19 | paxcoder | sparr: ppl will complain if i ask more here. plz. |
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| 19:28.45 | edavis | stew: libssl-dev is already the newest version. |
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| 19:29.55 | edavis | I get that when doing apt-get install libssl-dev |
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| 19:30.09 | leejongwook | I FIXED THE PROBLEM :) |
| 19:30.13 | stew | edavis: then you need to figure out how to fix the compilation so that it realizes you actually do have openssl |
| 19:30.30 | edavis | stew: what directory should it be looking in? |
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| 19:30.42 | stew | edavis: for what? |
| 19:30.53 | edavis | OpenSSl |
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| 19:30.59 | leejongwook | TO ENABLE Applications > Programming FOLDER |
| 19:31.08 | hyper_ch | I'm trying to run debootstrap and --include=apt,aptitude . I see that they are being downloaded but not extracted. Any idea? |
| 19:31.22 | stew | edavis: /usr/include/openssl or /usr/lib/ssl |
| 19:31.34 | stew | edavis: but I don't know which part it is looking for |
| 19:31.36 | leejongwook | just click one of the default shortcut of Programming Folder(Python) |
| 19:31.38 | leejongwook | that's it :P |
| 19:31.51 | leejongwook | DIDN'T KNOW T-T SPENT 3 HOURS FOR THIS |
| 19:31.59 | leejongwook | THANKS ALL :) |
| 19:32.03 | stew | edavis: edavis you can "dpkg -L libssl-dev" to see the files from that package |
| 19:32.19 | leejongwook | THANKS ~~~~ BYE BYE ~ |
| 19:33.28 | edavis | stew: /usr/share/man/man3/* - /usr/include/openssl/* |
| 19:33.37 | sparr | hjb: I just notice that the arguments that reinstalling isn't necessary sound a LOT like the people last week who were adamant that I don't need to defrag |
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| 19:33.53 | edavis | stew: And I tried configuring with it looking in /usr/include/openssl and it still didn't work |
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| 19:34.25 | Theoden | http://67.188.51.141/jajuk.png |
| 19:34.32 | stew | edavis: how did you try configuring it? |
| 19:35.01 | edavis | ./configure --enable-openssl=/usr/include/openssl |
| 19:35.25 | stew | edavis: you'd probably want to just tell it "/usr" then, not "/usr/include/openssl" |
| 19:35.52 | edavis | Still nope |
| 19:36.02 | edavis | checking for OpenSSL... /usr |
| 19:36.02 | edavis | checking for OpenSSL 0.9.6 or above... no - OpenSSL support disabled |
| 19:36.05 | stew | edavis: then you need to look at config.log and see why it is fialing |
| 19:36.17 | stew | failing* |
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| 19:37.38 | edavis | stew: can I pastebin.ca it, please? |
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| 19:40.55 | norc_ | hello, I plugged my hdd from another computer into this one with identical hardware. however, since the mac addr is different, eth0 is renamed to eth1 which somehow breaks networking |
| 19:40.58 | Jeroen1 | Hmm, it's not going to work .. i installed debian , when i rebooted there is "grub error 2" |
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| 19:41.49 | codingrobot | norc_: edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 19:42.09 | Jeroen1 | does someone knows how to fix the "grub error 2 " |
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| 19:42.19 | Jeroen1 | i can't get in a shell |
| 19:42.47 | norc_ | codingrobot: ok, once the 2nd entry is removed (commented out) and the first one fixed, do I *have* to reboot? |
| 19:42.52 | codingrobot | Jeroen1: you probably have to reinstall grub, this means you have to boot somehow a linux system. |
| 19:42.54 | norc_ | or can I apply the changes on the fly? |
| 19:43.03 | agaran | norc_: no, just rmmod ethernet driver and load it again |
| 19:43.04 | codingrobot | sure you can do |
| 19:43.15 | Jeroen1 | codingrobot :but how .. it's a EEE asus |
| 19:43.26 | norc_ | Jeroen1: does it have an usb slot? |
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| 19:43.34 | codingrobot | debian live usb |
| 19:43.39 | Jeroen1 | yes 3 of them |
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| 19:44.05 | Jeroen1 | is there a linux distribution smaller than 256 mb :D ... don't have a bigger stick |
| 19:44.21 | Jeroen1 | that can boot from usb stick |
| 19:44.24 | codingrobot | the images are about 130mb |
| 19:44.41 | Jeroen1 | yes .. the debian well .. but there isn't a live cd of it ? |
| 19:44.44 | codingrobot | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 19:44.52 | Cynope | er.. Yes.... You can use router linuxes... Busybox + something they are < 16MB :P |
| 19:45.08 | Jeroen1 | Cynope ? ? ? |
| 19:45.23 | Cynope | Jeroen1 ? ? ? ? |
| 19:45.38 | codingrobot | or take out the hdd from the eeepc and fix the bootloader on other PC |
| 19:45.42 | Jeroen1 | cynope : i don't understand your 'busybox and stuff' |
| 19:45.50 | Jeroen1 | lol |
| 19:45.55 | agaran | codingrobot: eeepc has flash or something |
| 19:46.04 | Jeroen1 | i'm not going to take it out of that very small thing |
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| 19:46.27 | codingrobot | ok, find a way to boot linux and you are pretty much done |
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| 19:46.34 | codingrobot | netboot, live cd/usb |
| 19:46.50 | Jeroen1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/ |
| 19:46.50 | Jeroen1 | which file do I need ? |
| 19:47.11 | myeggo | hey |
| 19:47.19 | myeggo | can i only open a wine instance at same time? |
| 19:47.29 | sparr | When I install X, and it DEPENDS on Y, and during a later upgrade the DEPENDS goes away... is there an automated way to get rid of Y? |
| 19:47.42 | myeggo | i executed a program, now i want open another one and they takes the same desktop window |
| 19:47.51 | myeggo | and i dont have a taskbar to switch them |
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| 19:48.33 | sparr | myeggo: why are you using a desktop window? |
| 19:48.56 | myeggo | using games in fulll mode i thought it were easier to move them |
| 19:49.02 | myeggo | im using dualview |
| 19:49.11 | myeggo | is the desktop window the problem? |
| 19:49.14 | jfalk | Is it possible to export the apt paket install auto/manually status into a text file to propagate to another box for application like, e.g., dpkg --get-secltions? |
| 19:50.04 | abrotman | !tell jfalk about aptitude clone |
| 19:50.19 | abrotman | sparr: using which version of debian and which package manager? |
| 19:50.21 | Jeroen1 | i forgot the name of the program to make a bootable usb stick with linux distribution |
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| 19:50.45 | sparr | abrotman: unstable (mostly), apt-get |
| 19:51.00 | sparr | well, apt in general |
| 19:51.02 | abrotman | apt-get autoremove possible |
| 19:51.12 | abrotman | sparr: it does actually matter which package manager |
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| 19:52.08 | sparr | I do apt-get autoremove when prompted |
| 19:52.25 | edavis | http://pastebin.ca/1442674 |
| 19:52.27 | edavis | Why did it fail? |
| 19:52.30 | sparr | ok, better question, since I can't be sure that scenario has come to pass... |
| 19:52.48 | sparr | how can I find out why a particular package is installed? that is, assuming it is a dependency, find out what depends on it that i have installed |
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| 19:53.01 | abrotman | aptitude why foo |
| 19:53.29 | edavis | stew: you there? |
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| 19:53.42 | abrotman | edavis: you didn't install libssl-dev |
| 19:54.16 | edavis | Yes, I did |
| 19:54.21 | sparr | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:54.39 | edavis | libssl-dev is already the newest version. |
| 19:54.42 | edavis | abrotman: ^ |
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| 19:55.18 | sparr | so, I have "mordor" installed. I never asked for it, I expect it came with a dist-upgrade at some point. it does not show up on the autoremove list, but aptitude why says "Unable to find a reason to install mordor.". Is there a way to find every package that falls into that gap? |
| 19:55.54 | hyper_ch | when I run apt-get -f install I get the following error. E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on debconf-i18n |
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| 19:56.06 | abrotman | edavis: not sur ethen |
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| 19:56.37 | mischief | one does not simply aptitude install into mordor |
| 19:56.55 | norc__ | Uhm, if a package from stable seg faults just because you provide wrong arguments, is that reason enough for me to actually open up my browser and file a bug report somewhere? |
| 19:56.59 | sparr | mischief: yeah, i knew that was coming when I picked that example :) |
| 19:57.00 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps what channel is the linux webdav on |
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| 19:57.04 | bbelt16ag | I am having problems. |
| 19:57.08 | norc__ | (wrong arguments being "--help") |
| 19:57.12 | sparr | mischief: but it's more fun than asking about landscape-client (another similar issue) |
| 19:57.30 | sparr | mischief: I have so much garbage running in my startup scripts... things that shouldn't even be installed, and I don't know why they are |
| 19:57.37 | mischief | sparr, funny thing is, one of my box's hostnames is mordor...and i simply ssh into it :p |
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| 19:59.39 | lvh | hoi |
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| 19:59.47 | IamSOG | jus tried LXDE and think it's really nice |
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| 20:00.04 | Jeroen1 | lvh: hier spreek je engels ;) |
| 20:00.11 | sparr | I moved from debian to ubuntu a few years ago, and it's time for a reinstall, and I'm considering moving back. I like the better out-of-the-box configuration and integration that ubuntu provides, but having to wait 6 months for new packages is really really annoying |
| 20:00.14 | lvh | I'm trying to write to an NTFS partition. When I try to write, I get "Operation not permitted". I've tried -o rw,remount, no luck. |
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| 20:00.16 | lvh | Any hints? |
| 20:00.22 | lvh | Jeroen1: ja, was een typvaud joh :-( |
| 20:00.29 | Jeroen1 | :D |
| 20:00.29 | sparr | but I have the same problems with both distros, in terms of long term usability |
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| 20:01.20 | agaran | lvh: maybe nfs is mounted with rootsquash and anonymouse user has no perms to write on serwer? |
| 20:01.21 | hark | lvh: use ntfs-3g if you want rw |
| 20:01.26 | agaran | s/serwer/server/ |
| 20:01.33 | agaran | aa. ntfs not nfs, sorry |
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| 20:03.02 | lvh | hark: okay, thanks :-) |
| 20:03.06 | edavis | Why is this failing?: http://pastebin.ca/1442674 |
| 20:05.33 | abchirk | isn't it possible to connect to an ap with: iwconfig wlan0 ap <mac> mode managed? I don't get a connection to my router! (no encryttion or else |
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| 20:05.38 | abchirk | t=p |
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| 20:10.10 | amphi | abchirk: just iwconfig wlan0 essid YOUR_ESSID should do |
| 20:10.11 | norc__ | Uhm, I started installing a package, but I cancelled the installation, but now apt-get wants to pull in that package each time |
| 20:10.12 | beardy | abchirk: No. |
| 20:10.18 | norc__ | can I undo that? |
| 20:10.24 | norc__ | no wait, how do I undo that? ;) |
| 20:10.26 | beardy | What amphi said. |
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| 20:10.32 | abchirk | amphi, I want to connect through mac. :) |
| 20:10.40 | beardy | abchirk: Not how wifi works. |
| 20:11.09 | beardy | abchirk: Then you set the SSID to be the same as the mac-address, for whatever reason you'd want. |
| 20:11.12 | abchirk | I can connect like amphi said beardy ... but as it seems not when I try a Macaddress instead |
| 20:11.35 | beardy | abchirk: The SSID and mac-address are two different things. |
| 20:11.44 | abchirk | hm, so I can't? :P |
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| 20:12.22 | beardy | abchirk: No. You can only connect to a specific SSID, if you want to connect to a wireles LAN with an access point, or several. |
| 20:12.41 | abchirk | So no MAC is possible??? |
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| 20:13.19 | beardy | abchirk: Just set the SSID you want to use, in your access point. |
| 20:13.22 | abchirk | But should be? Because iwlist shows the essid and mac... why can't I connect through mac? |
| 20:13.58 | nkuttler | abchirk: then write a script |
| 20:14.19 | abchirk | nkuttler, I have already a script which scans for wlans... and extract the macs ;) |
| 20:14.22 | beardy | abchirk: Like I said, it's not how wifi works. You connect to an SSID. That is because if you have a larger lan, the ap with the best signla is chosen. |
| 20:14.30 | abchirk | But now on setting essid with mac.. it stucks |
| 20:14.45 | beardy | signal* |
| 20:15.04 | abchirk | hm here are only 1-2 AP :) and my is next to me. :) |
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| 20:15.16 | beardy | abchirk: Then that will be chosen. |
| 20:15.25 | abchirk | yeah... :( |
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| 20:16.09 | beardy | abchirk: You can only limit who associates with the ap, on the ap side, with specific mac addresses. |
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| 20:16.26 | abchirk | ah ok |
| 20:16.35 | abchirk | ok... then I will use Essid's :) |
| 20:16.38 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 20:16.41 | beardy | abchirk: Not from the station (computer) side. (Perhaps you can, but it goes against how it works a bit, like I said.) |
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| 20:17.15 | bbelt16ag | ok I am trying to put a large amount of files on webdav, do they all need to owned by www? |
| 20:17.36 | bbelt16ag | www-data? inorder to be hosted? |
| 20:17.43 | bbelt16ag | or just the folder there in |
| 20:17.49 | beardy | bbelt16ag: If the webserver runs as www-data it usually gives less headache having hosted files owned by www-data. |
| 20:17.53 | bbelt16ag | I tried doing a sym link to my file folder |
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| 20:18.10 | abchirk | ok thank you beardy :) |
| 20:18.56 | beardy | You're welcome :) |
| 20:19.32 | mjt | a webserver usually should not have write access to the files it gives out. |
| 20:20.13 | mib_hkonhx | hi all, is possible configuring mdadm to auto-resync disks after mirror split? |
| 20:20.26 | bbelt16ag | that's fine, I don't need it write acess just be able to see them in webdav, |
| 20:20.30 | _lilian_ | ouvindo ( Francesco Napoli - Balla Balla.mp3 ) .: kikøscript :. http://kikoscript.blogspot.com |
| 20:20.54 | abrotman | _lilian_: please turn that off in here |
| 20:20.56 | bbelt16ag | I linked my folder over to the webserver folder and it couldn't see, and I couldn change the owner of my link.. I suspect my folder need to change owner to www-data |
| 20:21.09 | mjt | mib_hkonhx: no, it's quite a serious issue (mirror split) |
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| 20:21.53 | mjt | mib_hkonhx: i mean, it needs some more brains than it has :) |
| 20:21.56 | _lilian_ | ouvindo ( Raul Seixas - O Carimbador Maluco.mp3 ) .: kikøscript :. http://kikoscript.blogspot.com |
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| 20:22.36 | mjt | heh |
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| 20:25.20 | mib_hkonhx | mjt: if i remove one disk of mirror, and then reinsert it, dmadm doesn't execute resync. is it correct? |
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| 20:29.08 | abchirk | hm and... How do I put all console error message or informations to /var/log/syslog or messages... and not interface start output on my current console? |
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| 20:32.48 | abchirk | So, I don't want it to see on actual console, only in messages |
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| 20:35.51 | jelly-home | !printk |
| 20:35.51 | dpkg | well, printk is see docs for sysctl and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See linux/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt or man 5 proc /printk for meaning of the numbers (console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level, default_console_loglevel) |
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| 20:38.13 | Sabrinchen | PHP Warning: Module 'gd' already loaded in Unknown on line 0 <- can someone help me? |
| 20:39.13 | abchirk | ah thx jelly-home |
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| 20:40.29 | ivevyxexi | The debian installer is not detecting any disks on my system. Any help? |
| 20:40.36 | paxcoder | I have 4 "critical" problems, help please: http://pastebin.com/m4091baf1 |
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| 20:41.56 | paxcoder | solving any one of them would be a great help |
| 20:42.45 | paxcoder | you can use IRC ;-) |
| 20:45.26 | paxcoder | darnit. |
| 20:45.43 | paxcoder | how come noone else's squeeze breaks! |
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| 20:48.45 | simonrvn | Sabrinchen: that's a warning, not an error (obviously) |
| 20:49.09 | Sabrinchen | i have a problem with a cronjob3 |
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| 20:49.32 | simonrvn | sorry, crystal ball's broken |
| 20:49.51 | Sabrinchen | hm |
| 20:50.03 | simonrvn | !+tell Sabrinchen -about ask |
| 20:50.05 | dpkg | told Sabrinchen about ask. |
| 20:50.35 | Tramp | you're supposed to be clairvoyant |
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| 20:51.04 | simonrvn | only at the full moon :P |
| 20:51.14 | Sabrinchen | Failed loading /home/ioncube/ioncube_loader_lin_5.2.so: /home/ioncube/ioncube_loader_lin_5.2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:51.14 | Sabrinchen | PHP Warning: Module 'gd' already loaded in Unknown on line 0 |
| 20:51.18 | Tramp | ah. one more week then |
| 20:51.33 | Sabrinchen | Thats the Problem, i get a mail |
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| 20:52.33 | simonrvn | and is it there? most likely not. make it point at the right location. this is rather easy. |
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| 20:52.52 | Sabrinchen | it is there yeah |
| 20:53.13 | simonrvn | your app think it isn't. find out why. |
| 20:53.31 | simonrvn | thinks* |
| 20:53.34 | Sabrinchen | ah sry |
| 20:53.38 | Sabrinchen | sorry |
| 20:53.40 | Sabrinchen | i fixed that |
| 20:53.43 | Sabrinchen | the new message is |
| 20:53.44 | Sabrinchen | PHP Warning: Module 'gd' already loaded in Unknown on line 0 |
| 20:53.44 | Sabrinchen | The encoded file /var/www/web4/html/includes/confixx/cpengine.php is not permissioned for this server |
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| 20:54.03 | maligor | drm crap huh |
| 20:54.19 | nkuttler | confixx is not part of debian |
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| 20:54.26 | simonrvn | that seems more of an app problem.... |
| 20:54.52 | Sabrinchen | simonrvn app = script? |
| 20:54.56 | kanon-mat | can i choose which hdd the debian installer puts grub on? |
| 20:55.17 | simonrvn | go see their channel/mailing list |
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| 20:56.40 | maligor | ioncube seems to sell drm for php, must be that |
| 20:56.51 | m0nty1 | hi got a problem with a dist-upgrade and locales perl etc .. please help |
| 20:57.03 | maligor | Sabrinchen, you should ask ioncube or the program author |
| 20:57.05 | bbelt16ag | ok question what's the easieest way to host files so my friends can get to them |
| 20:57.22 | bbelt16ag | I wanted to use webdav but I can't make it go to the proper folders.. |
| 20:57.25 | maligor | it was mentioned already, heh |
| 20:57.28 | Sabrinchen | maligor do u think it is a ioncube mistake? |
| 20:58.02 | maligor | not a clue |
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| 21:05.40 | m0nty1 | can anybody help me completing my dist-upgrade or at least tell me, where i can find a good tutorial, please? |
| 21:06.03 | m0nty1 | i mean .. for setting the locale and getting it running again.. |
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| 21:06.16 | simonrvn | !locales |
| 21:06.17 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
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| 21:06.45 | m0nty1 | but it says, that the file does not exist |
| 21:07.10 | nkuttler | it? |
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| 21:07.31 | m0nty1 | it="dpkg-reconfigure locales" .. and dist-upgrade still wont run |
| 21:07.49 | simonrvn | run it as root... |
| 21:07.52 | m0nty1 | i did |
| 21:08.27 | simonrvn | then you're not running debian, or your system is really screwed.... |
| 21:08.40 | m0nty1 | i think it's the latter |
| 21:08.52 | m0nty1 | doh |
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| 21:09.26 | nkuttler | m0nty1: you could just create the file, contains LANG=whatever |
| 21:10.38 | m0nty1 | you mean /etc/locales.gen? - did than - ran locales-gen afterwards .. this gives me |
| 21:10.39 | m0nty1 | /usr/share/locale/locale.alias' not found: No such file or directory |
| 21:11.24 | simonrvn | do you have `locales' installed? |
| 21:11.26 | hark | m0nty1: log out and back in after that |
| 21:12.20 | m0nty1 | hark: did that |
| 21:12.20 | m0nty1 | simonrvn: i hope so .. but i cant access apt-get install locales, because it gives me a log error-message |
| 21:12.32 | m0nty1 | long .. not log |
| 21:12.35 | simonrvn | don't need apt to check |
| 21:12.45 | simonrvn | dpkg -l locales |
| 21:12.45 | dpkg | ii locales 3.2-11.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 21:13.34 | m0nty1 | iU locales 2.7-18 GNU C Library: National Language (locale) data [support] |
| 21:14.01 | simonrvn | it needs to be configured... |
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| 21:16.27 | hark | m0nty1: what's the output of locale and locale -a? |
| 21:17.14 | m0nty1 | locale: |
| 21:17.14 | m0nty1 | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 21:17.14 | m0nty1 | locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 21:17.14 | m0nty1 | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 21:17.14 | m0nty1 | LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
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| 21:18.07 | simonrvn | i'd just manually install the .deb ... see what happens |
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| 21:18.19 | m0nty1 | oops |
| 21:18.28 | simonrvn | probably needs debconf to be configured properly too... |
| 21:18.36 | simonrvn | 17:18 < simonrvn> i'd just manually install the .deb ... see what happens |
| 21:19.40 | m0nty1 | #flood |
| 21:19.40 | m0nty1 | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 21:19.40 | m0nty1 | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 21:19.40 | m0nty1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.40 | m0nty1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:19.59 | m0nty1 | sorry .. how to use #flood? |
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| 21:20.02 | hark | m0nty1: don't paste here |
| 21:20.15 | simonrvn | stop pasting here... use a pastebin |
| 21:20.29 | enouf | !pastebin |
| 21:20.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 21:20.57 | SimonAdameit | Hi |
| 21:21.04 | simonrvn | one would think you'd learn the lesson the first time. |
| 21:21.29 | m0nty1 | i'm terribly sorry .. i tried to put #flood in front and thought, this would do the trick |
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| 21:21.44 | grig | hi all |
| 21:21.45 | enouf | he apologized and finally asked though .. i haven't been dealing with these things all day either .. so |
| 21:21.49 | simonrvn | it's a channel... |
| 21:21.55 | m0nty1 | i'll paste on pastebin.debian |
| 21:22.11 | jelly-home | 's anyone really use flood? |
| 21:22.16 | enouf | m0nty1: yes, pastebin is better than having everyone /join #flood |
| 21:22.18 | simonrvn | rafb.net is no more, BTW |
| 21:22.30 | m0nty1 | thanks for the advice |
| 21:22.34 | enouf | jelly-home: /j #flood and see ;-) |
| 21:22.37 | jelly-home | simonrvn: someone set up them the bomb? |
| 21:22.39 | simonrvn | !pastebin =~ s,or http://rafb.net/paste/,, |
| 21:22.40 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'or http://rafb.net/paste/', simonrvn |
| 21:22.54 | SimonAdameit | I want to have debian automount plugable (usb) devices like when using gnome, but without using gnome. So I installed just the gnome-volume-manager but it is not doing what I expected, how would I accomplish that goal? |
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| 21:23.04 | simonrvn | !pastebin =~ s,or http://rafb.net/paste/ ,, |
| 21:23.04 | dpkg | simonrvn: that doesn't contain 'or http://rafb.net/paste/ ' |
| 21:23.11 | enouf | simonrvn: is also ;-) |
| 21:23.31 | hark | m0nty1: dpkg-reconfigure locales, make sure you select a locale and then set it as default. then logout/login |
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| 21:23.49 | simonrvn | it's a gd pointer to `paste' |
| 21:24.07 | simonrvn | 17:23 <dpkg> "pastebin" is "<reply> see paste" |
| 21:24.19 | enouf | simonrvn: no, i mean, you're using sed substitution when you want 'dpkg <factoid> is also ....' |
| 21:24.36 | grig | parted gives me headaches; please have a look: http://pastebin.com/dab40325 |
| 21:25.01 | grig | i'd like to create a 2GB swap partition in the remaining free space |
| 21:25.04 | simonrvn | no i don't want that |
| 21:25.28 | simonrvn | i did exactly what i wanted, which was correct the right factoid |
| 21:25.32 | enouf | whoa .. grig |
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| 21:26.29 | m0nty1 | hark: http://paste.debian.net/37640 and http://paste.debian.net/37641 |
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| 21:27.14 | enouf | simonrvn: nm then .. if i was mistaken i apologize - but .. er .. just forget me for now |
| 21:27.29 | simonrvn | don't worry about it |
| 21:27.42 | m0nty1 | hark: utf-8 was initially there .. when the dist-upgrade started to fail |
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| 21:28.42 | m0nty1 | thanx for all the help so far, by the way :) |
| 21:28.46 | mactimes | Hi. Could someone tell me what package I need to install in order to have a2enmod command? I've been Googleing about it, but can't find it. |
| 21:28.49 | Tagor | I have a software RAID 1 in Debian, but my second disk died. What should I do once I replaced the dead disk with a new one? |
| 21:29.08 | m0nty1 | mactimes: apache2? |
| 21:29.17 | enouf | parted /dev/name ; u <enter> ; b <enter> ; p <enter> grig |
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| 21:29.47 | Tagor | Would it be enough to partition the second new harddisk? |
| 21:29.47 | mactimes | m0nty1: I have it installed, yet, Debian shell will reply with "Command not found". |
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| 21:30.07 | mactimes | m0nty1: I'm running Etch, if that matters. |
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| 21:30.56 | m0nty1 | mactimes: i dont think so .. have an apache2 on my box, that had etch on it, before it broke during a dist-upgrade |
| 21:31.12 | m0nty1 | and a2enmod a2ensite etc |
| 21:32.04 | grig | Tagor: cfdisk -d /dev/sda|cfdisk /dev/sdb (assuming /dev/sdb is the new disk) |
| 21:32.05 | mactimes | M0ffe: Well, thanks. I'll keep on searching for related bugs. I've been searching for something alike for 2 days now, but I guess I'll end up finding something. Thank you for your time. |
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| 21:32.11 | enouf | Tagor: you mean mdadm? you should've used --remove and --failed prior to removing bad disk |
| 21:32.46 | enouf | Tagor: then it's just a matter of telling mdadm to rebuild |
| 21:32.50 | simonrvn | mactimes: apt-file search a2enmod |
| 21:32.57 | simonrvn | or use pdo |
| 21:33.42 | Tagor | enouf >> I already placed the new hdd in the server, is there a way to fix it without the broken disk? Cause I already send it back to the manufacturer |
| 21:35.15 | m0nty1 | question: is my box definitely bricked - or can i try anything to save it, somehow? |
| 21:35.43 | bbelt16ag | how do I enable the digital audio in linux? |
| 21:36.11 | bbelt16ag | its a yellow jack, |
| 21:36.11 | m0nty1 | bbelt16ag: alsa? |
| 21:36.25 | bbelt16ag | I turned on everything in the volume control |
| 21:36.28 | bbelt16ag | nothing worked. |
| 21:37.19 | m0nty1 | do you need a special driver, maybe? |
| 21:38.12 | simonrvn | that box isn't bricked... |
| 21:38.42 | jpinx | Is there a way to handover a live X-application from one side of a ssh-X connection to the other without pausing it? |
| 21:38.51 | m0nty1 | bbelt16ag: tried alsaconf? |
| 21:39.00 | enouf | Tagor: i'm certainly no expert on these matters, but i suggest you review the mdadm man pages ; see /usr/share/doc/mdadm ; note settings in /etc/mdadm/* ; /etc/default/mdadm ; and /proc/mdstat output |
| 21:39.09 | m0nty1 | simonvn: well .. if i reboot, it will be |
| 21:39.09 | jpinx | or maybe an NX session? |
| 21:39.26 | enouf | needs to run .. afk .. again |
| 21:39.40 | bbelt16ag | not yet |
| 21:40.09 | m0nty1 | bbelt16ag: try it .. maybe then you'll have a fader, that works in alsamixer |
| 21:40.13 | ajavid | hello |
| 21:40.22 | m0nty1 | then alsactl store as root to save it |
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| 21:41.27 | m0nty1 | simonvn: so what can i do? |
| 21:41.38 | wm4 | how do I set my default window manager with the xclient stuff? |
| 21:41.53 | simonrvn | i already said it |
| 21:42.24 | bbelt16ag | I can't find the |
| 21:42.32 | bbelt16ag | app |
| 21:43.29 | grig | enouf: thanks for the tip. unfortunately, parted really hates me: http://pastebin.com/m656b337a |
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| 21:44.24 | m0nty1 | simonvn: you mean pdo? |
| 21:44.40 | ajavid | !pdo |
| 21:44.40 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 21:46.02 | m0nty1 | thx @dpkg .. but i cant use apt-get to install anything, since it doesn't have the locale-settings right |
| 21:46.32 | ajavid | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:46.51 | m0nty1 | http://paste.debian.net/37641 |
| 21:47.07 | m0nty1 | http://paste.debian.net/37640 |
| 21:48.17 | ajavid | m0nty1, do you have liblocale-gettext-perl |
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| 21:49.34 | ajavid | m0nty1, well...? |
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| 21:49.46 | m0nty1 | i dont think so, no |
| 21:50.37 | ajavid | m0nty1, apt-cache policy liblocale-gettext-perl |
| 21:50.51 | ajavid | either its installed or it isn't |
| 21:51.09 | ajavid | if not, download from packages.debian.org and install with dpkg -i |
| 21:51.23 | m0nty1 | http://paste.debian.net/37643/ |
| 21:53.21 | simonrvn | ajavid: why are you telling him to install that? |
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| 21:54.21 | ajavid | simonrvn, why don't you tell me why you're asking me this question? |
| 21:54.48 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 21:55.40 | abrotman | dots :( |
| 21:55.58 | simonrvn | heh |
| 21:56.08 | ajavid | I'm wondering if you are about to disagree with me? or do you not know, and thats why you're asking? I don't know. I didn't want to assume anything. |
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| 21:57.20 | m0nty1 | ajavid: i guess, because dpkg-reconfigure is not working, so the install will likely fail, anyways |
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| 21:58.20 | ajavid | you already have it installed. It happened to me a while back, perl installed and I didn't have this package, and I had the same message, after some research I found I needed to install it... I thought maybe that might have been your isuse |
| 21:58.24 | jpinx | judd: versions xmove |
| 21:58.25 | judd | jpinx: xmove -- etch: 2.0beta2-8 |
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| 21:59.31 | simonrvn | s/ten/ten wannabe/ |
| 21:59.51 | m0nty1 | ajavid: no problem .. thank you for the hint, anyway .. any idea better than a new install is very welcome |
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| 22:00.05 | ajavid | m0nty1, for me installing that package fixed my perl error messages and I was able to install packages again |
| 22:01.34 | m0nty1 | ajavid: mine seems to be scheduled for upgrading, because the box failed to do a dist-upgrade without giving me error-messages about the locale-settings .. and here i am |
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| 22:03.00 | Wooga_tc | how to get 'mac' decoder/encoder for '.ape' files in debian? |
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| 22:03.32 | abrotman | what is a mac decoder? |
| 22:03.42 | abrotman | only has the decoder ring from the cracker jack |
| 22:04.04 | Wooga_tc | i don't really know, but `pacpl -f`, says that it needed to decode ape |
| 22:04.23 | ajavid | demac |
| 22:05.04 | ajavid | install vorbis-tools monkeys-audio |
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| 22:05.56 | ajavid | ape audio_file.ape audio_file.wav -d <- seems like you have to convert to wav first regardless |
| 22:06.16 | ajavid | later you can transcode to vorbis or use lame (liblame0) and convert to mp3 |
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| 22:06.56 | abrotman | ajavid: might want to note it's not actually in debian .. but likely from debian-multimedia ? |
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| 22:07.15 | ajavid | it is in dmm |
| 22:07.23 | ajavid | I just was looking up its policy to give him the repo |
| 22:07.42 | Wooga_tc | yeah, really, i just intented to ask from where monkeys-audio coming from |
| 22:07.53 | ajavid | !tell Wooga_tc -about dmm |
| 22:08.16 | Wooga_tc | thanks |
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| 22:08.22 | ajavid | yup |
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| 22:11.10 | ajavid | simonrvn, I've been writing tests and code for the past 2 days.. entire weekend.. I'm sorry. I'm just... I'm gonna go. |
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| 22:11.26 | ajavid | peace. |
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| 22:11.48 | windtunnel__ | are there any major differences between doing things as sudo as opposed to root? |
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| 22:15.00 | jelly-home | windtunnel__: in a single-user environment, not really |
| 22:15.09 | m0nty1 | windtunnel__: sudo is a backdoor, according to a talk at 25c3 from the chaos computer club |
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| 22:15.58 | wm4 | m0nty1: is it? why? |
| 22:16.31 | jelly-home | ccc have their panels online, don't they |
| 22:16.50 | jelly-home | (I mean, videos and powerpoints thereof) |
| 22:16.52 | m0nty1 | at least if you grant other users on your computer rights to do things as root and dont disable half the stuff - it was a few steps higher than my understanding of it @ wm4 .. but that's what he said .. i can post the link if you want |
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| 22:17.24 | wm4 | m0nty1: if it's only a video/audio link, don#t bother |
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| 22:18.07 | m0nty1 | wm4: mp4-video |
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| 22:19.10 | m0nty1 | i'll post it anyways, if anybody is interested http://cccmz.de/25c3/ipod_normalized/25C3-2992-en-tricks_makes_you_smile.m4v |
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| 22:21.04 | m0nty1 | and i found the slides: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2008/Fahrplan/attachments/1254_tricks.pdf |
| 22:22.51 | m0nty1 | starts at page 14 |
| 22:23.39 | simonrvn | if you configure sudo correctly you can avoid that... |
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| 22:24.55 | m0nty1 | he said that, too .. but since i don't really know how and where to find a tutorial, where somebody shows how to set it correctly i dont use it .. i just "su -" |
| 22:25.38 | wm4 | me too |
| 22:25.42 | wm4 | sudo sucks |
| 22:26.28 | themill | Oh how I love the informed and reasoned argument one finds on #debian. |
| 22:26.40 | m0nty1 | thats not, what i wanted to say .. i just told you anything i know on that matter - and that's it |
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| 22:29.54 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
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| 22:30.15 | bbelt16ag | I need pointing in the right direction. |
| 22:30.35 | abrotman | points to the left |
| 22:30.50 | bbelt16ag | nm |
| 22:30.50 | jonjon | My pendrive can't be mounted and if I do "dmesg", I read: "VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sda1." But it is somehow detected, because if it's removed, the icon in my desktop disappears. Is there any tool I can use to "rebuild" the vfat filesytem of my pendrive, without losting any data ?? It contains very important data. Thanks ! |
| 22:30.51 | themill | no, no. The other left. |
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| 22:32.48 | jonjon | if sb, could give me a hint, he/she can do a private. |
| 22:33.19 | wm4 | jonjon: tried mounting /dev/sda? |
| 22:33.40 | m0nty1 | maybe fsck? |
| 22:33.52 | jonjon | yes, it doesn't work. |
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| 22:35.01 | m0nty1 | fsck [ -sAVRTNP ] [ -C [ fd ] ] [ -t fstype ] [filesys ... ] [--] [ fs-specific-options ] |
| 22:35.27 | jonjon | Doing fsck.vfat /dev/sda1, it just says: logical sector size is zero. |
| 22:35.57 | jonjon | with the -a option. |
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| 22:38.12 | m0nty1 | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-179057.html |
| 22:38.19 | cirzgamanti | rsync cannot see moving files, right? i mirrored a hard disk, and want to move stuff around on one, and keep the other one updated, but always deleting moved files on the copy drive and copying them again from the master is in this case really inefficient. |
| 22:39.54 | jonjon | m0nty1, I'm gonna read it. Thanks :) |
| 22:40.09 | m0nty1 | youre welcome |
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| 22:41.28 | m0nty1 | well .. g2g .. i guess i have to face it and go for a fresh install .. bye |
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| 22:47.13 | jdsandeson | ?Why is it that lenny will run on an older machine but ubuntu will not? |
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| 22:48.12 | abrotman | they're different operating systems ? |
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| 22:50.57 | mactimes | Hi. Could someone, please tell me how to REALLY delete a MD device? I'm setting up a new layout for the disks I used on the md devices, but keep getting errors saying "Assembling MD array md0...failed (no devices found)." |
| 22:51.29 | mactimes | P.S.: All data has already been backed up, so no worries about data corruption. |
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| 22:52.55 | mactimes | P.S.2: If it matters, those md devices used to be RAID1. |
| 22:52.57 | abrotman | you could zero out the device |
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| 22:53.43 | mactimes | abrotman: That won't work. I tried. |
| 22:54.22 | abrotman | you zero out the partition table |
| 22:54.52 | mactimes | abrotman: I did. But the layout is out there somewhere. |
| 22:57.33 | mactimes | abrotman: Well, I thought there could be a way for doing it via mdadm, but editing mdadm.conf and restarting the service worked. It would be nicer having a way to do that via mdadm commands though. Thanks for you time. |
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| 23:01.27 | alex-weej | today i tried to apt-get update on my server and it's telling me it can't verify repository signatures because the public key seems to have changed |
| 23:01.51 | alex-weej | i am too paranoid to just upgrade the debian-archive-keyring package |
| 23:01.56 | alex-weej | what's going on? |
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| 23:02.08 | kazabe | Hi |
| 23:02.28 | wm4 | for GTK, how can you disable the use of the PC speaker? |
| 23:02.29 | themill | alex-weej: I take it that you're not subscribed to debian-announce and that you've not updated this machine for quite a while, then. |
| 23:02.31 | kazabe | what is the difference between a tty console and a X terminal console |
| 23:02.35 | kazabe | ? |
| 23:02.47 | alex-weej | themill: i upgrade it once a month or so. and no i'm not on -announce. |
| 23:02.59 | alex-weej | kazabe: tty = teletype -- i.e. the text mode black screens |
| 23:03.15 | zleap | x console is what you get when u run a terminal within xwindows, tty, is when you just login with out a gui (I THINK) |
| 23:03.46 | wm4 | x terminals are also connected to a pseudo tty, I think |
| 23:03.58 | kazabe | yeah, but im having problems running some apps, under x console |
| 23:04.03 | kazabe | run perfect on tty |
| 23:04.10 | wm4 | which apps? |
| 23:04.12 | kazabe | but on x console have some problems |
| 23:04.22 | kazabe | by example, the funcion keys dont work |
| 23:04.38 | kazabe | apps developed on Cobol |
| 23:05.09 | kazabe | with some menus and frames for console |
| 23:05.11 | alex-weej | kazabe: keyboard buttons go through xkb on an x console |
| 23:05.21 | mjka | how to write a bot on C? |
| 23:05.37 | wm4 | mjka: first learn C |
| 23:05.38 | themill | kazabe: you need to configure whatever terminal emulator you're using to allow the function keys to be passed to your application |
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| 23:06.20 | kazabe | where is the tty configuration options? |
| 23:06.28 | alex-weej | kazabe: using gnome-terminal? |
| 23:06.47 | kazabe | the problem is: when the user use the app with putty from windows, work perfect |
| 23:06.49 | themill | kazabe: it's not a property of the tty but of your terminal emulator (e.g. xterm, konsole, gnome-terminal) |
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| 23:07.26 | kazabe | now when try to connect to the app from linux, by example using aterm or gnome terminal, or putty for linux, lost the config |
| 23:07.51 | alex-weej | themill: how do i upgrade my server's archive key safely? i don't see any instructions for idiots on http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090523 |
| 23:08.14 | themill | kazabe: it could also be your window manager responding to the function key (since windows responds to very few key function keys by default) |
| 23:08.17 | kazabe | im migrating some users to linux desktop, but i need solve that first |
| 23:08.30 | alex-weej | themill: also it says starting june 13 only the new key will be used -- in that case why did it stop working now? |
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| 23:08.47 | alex-weej | themill: i could have upgraded my debian-archive-keyring in the time between then and june 13th if it was signed with both keys, no? |
| 23:08.52 | themill | alex-weej: upgrade the debian-archive-keyring package is the easiest way. (that package as been available for 6 weeks or so) |
| 23:09.18 | alex-weej | themill: am i expected to upgrade that often? :S |
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| 23:10.34 | themill | alex-weej: err... yes. You're expected to keep on top of security updates. Do you like running known vulnerable boxes? You might like to take a look at cron-apt (/msg dpkg cron-apt) which will email you when updates are available and optionally download them for you so that the installation is faster when you do it. |
| 23:10.40 | alex-weej | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! debian-archive-keyring: how am i supposed to do this /safely/? i.e. verify the package against the old expired key? |
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| 23:11.40 | themill | alex-weej: if you had kept up with updates, that would be seemless. As it is, you will have to manually verify that the new key mentioned in that article you found was signed by the old key and import it using apt-key |
| 23:11.56 | alex-weej | themill: i've got cron apt and it's just been whinging at me that stuff could not be authenticated since may 29 |
| 23:12.16 | alex-weej | themill: how do i do that? |
| 23:13.02 | themill | alex-weej: sounds like you've not got it set up correctly then as it should have told you that a new debian-archive-keyring package was available since etch r8 (April 8th) |
| 23:13.23 | alex-weej | possible |
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| 23:13.44 | alex-weej | so how do i ask apt to actually show me which key the package is signed with so i can verify it manually with my EYES? |
| 23:15.19 | justin | alex-weej: afaik, the package isn't signed, the Packages.gz file is |
| 23:15.33 | themill | Release, actually |
| 23:15.40 | justin | right |
| 23:15.48 | justin | so just gpg verify that |
| 23:15.56 | themill | alex-weej: cd /var/lib/apt/lists/ ; gpgv ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_Release.gpg ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_Release |
| 23:16.02 | themill | (or whatever mirror you're using) |
| 23:18.03 | alex-weej | themill: i don't have a Release.gpg file only a Release file |
| 23:18.06 | alex-weej | i do have one for security though... |
| 23:20.31 | jpinx | judd: versions freenx |
| 23:20.32 | judd | jpinx: freenx -- |
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| 23:20.55 | alex-weej | please help :( i just need to get my email working again and upgrading is the first step :( |
| 23:21.05 | abrotman | packages.debian.org works too |
| 23:21.32 | themill | http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#Howtofindakey |
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| 23:22.30 | jpinx | abrotman: it seems to be single word search in packages.debian.org :( |
| 23:22.45 | abrotman | jpinx: packages.debian.org/freenx |
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| 23:23.52 | alex-weej | i'm gonna cheat and change my system date to last week then upgrade |
| 23:23.53 | alex-weej | because this is far too sketchy |
| 23:24.20 | themill | how will that help you?# |
| 23:24.24 | jpinx | abrotman: no result |
| 23:24.35 | alex-weej | themill: won't it fool my system into accepting the expired key? |
| 23:24.42 | themill | it's not expired |
| 23:24.52 | alex-weej | it expires today apparently |
| 23:24.58 | abrotman | jpinx: duh |
| 23:25.06 | alex-weej | no wait, i misread |
| 23:25.13 | alex-weej | i don't get it, it says it's good till the middle of june |
| 23:25.22 | alex-weej | it's only june 1 today! |
| 23:25.41 | bolt | ahh |
| 23:25.43 | mischief | can anyone tell me how to mount my ntfs disk so that a non-root user can read/write/browse it? |
| 23:25.45 | alex-weej | and the announcement was only a week ago! |
| 23:26.04 | bolt | just updated testing. seems some of the dust has settled. stuff is actually working. goodie :D |
| 23:26.05 | themill | alex-weej: they keys were in the install media for lenny and have been in etch for over 6 weeks |
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| 23:27.04 | jpinx | abrotman: searching "nx" gives 50-odd, but none of the no-machine stuff - looks like it's not in debian :( |
| 23:27.19 | abrotman | yes .. that's why i said 'duh' |
| 23:28.51 | jpinx | abrotman: looks like their own download .deb is the only way:-/ |
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| 23:30.11 | alex-weej | is there a command to simply download a deb from an archive? |
| 23:30.17 | alex-weej | apt-get .... packagename? |
| 23:30.58 | wm4 | alex-weej: apt-get -d apparently |
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| 23:32.19 | alex-weej | sorted |
| 23:32.30 | alex-weej | downloaded debian-archive-keyring on my ubuntu box and scp'd it over |
| 23:32.35 | alex-weej | so i know it's kosher |
| 23:32.38 | alex-weej | man i'm paranoid |
| 23:32.47 | wm4 | that's good |
| 23:33.01 | themill | alex-weej: or you could have used apt-key as I described |
| 23:33.04 | wm4 | if you're lazy, all security goes to the gutter |
| 23:33.43 | alex-weej | themill: i could have now that i actually realise what you were trying to tell me to do |
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| 23:33.57 | alex-weej | it's late and i'm tired and i've been studying quantum physics all day, forgive me |
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| 23:55.03 | ewet | Hell! does anybody know if it's possible to have that cool projectM libvisual thing as a screensaver (with amarok or another)?! |
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| 23:56.19 | themill | dpkg, new archive key is <reply> If you have fallen behind with your updates, then you may be getting this warning from apt-get update: "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 9AA38DCD55BE302B". Install the debian-archive-keyring package to load the new key or manually load the new key using apt-get after verifying that it has been correctly signed. Ask me about <secure apt> <apt-key 55BE302B>. |
| 23:56.19 | dpkg | okay, themill |
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| 23:58.06 | pl | Hello. Are there plans to add the wireless crda in debian? See http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Regulatory/CRDA |
| 23:58.19 | null | Question: One of my packages I installed with apt-get from Sid wasn't compiled a certain way (vim doesn't have gui); is there a way to recompile and include it so apt manages it? (repackage it?) |
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| 23:59.03 | mischief | can anyone help me with a python based game package? i have my .asoundrc configured for my audio device, but i am getting this error: http://paste.debian.net/37653/ |
| 23:59.29 | pl | null, what's bad with vim-gtk? |
| 23:59.44 | null | the fact that i didn't know about it! |
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