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| 00:00.10 | pl | well, problem solved :) |
| 00:00.21 | null | thank you kind sir :) may you be blessed |
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| 00:05.49 | mischief | can someone please help me with my audio :\ i can't seem to get any games to use my audio device |
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| 00:07.09 | wm4 | mischief: nobody can help you if they don't know your problem |
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| 00:09.00 | mischief | wm4, no games recognize my audio device even though i have set it up in my .asoundrc |
| 00:09.17 | mischief | i am using iceweasel with adobe's flash plugin and it works fine |
| 00:09.33 | mischief | but i can't seem to get games to work with it |
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| 00:12.40 | mischief | oh...you can't use an audio device with more than one program? :X |
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| 00:22.37 | Bazel | hola? |
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| 00:22.42 | Bazel | alguien abla español? |
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| 00:23.14 | sepult | !es |
| 00:23.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:23.47 | Bazel | alguien abla español? |
| 00:24.32 | abrotman | Bazel: #debian-es |
| 00:24.53 | sepult | Bazel: we don't speak espagnol |
| 00:25.02 | Bazel | gracias |
| 00:25.05 | sepult | Bazel: it would be just luck if someone could |
| 00:25.17 | sepult | una segundo |
| 00:25.34 | sepult | de nada |
| 00:25.42 | pl4yer0ne | I can say a few things in spanish. but zero helpful things =) |
| 00:25.47 | Bazel | #debian-es |
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| 00:28.07 | Bazel | algun lammer q quiera compañero? |
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| 00:29.13 | abrotman | Bazel: /join #debian-es |
| 00:29.53 | Shazzamy_ | Hola! |
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| 00:30.10 | Shazzamy_ | ¿Como esta ustedes? |
| 00:30.15 | hoohaah | who is authorized to make factoids? |
| 00:30.16 | hoohaah | for the bot |
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| 00:30.35 | Bazel | al fin alguien q abla español |
| 00:30.38 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:30.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:30.51 | abrotman | hoohaah: why? |
| 00:30.51 | dmoerner | hoohaah, there are not restrictions |
| 00:31.04 | Shazzamy_ | !en |
| 00:31.05 | dpkg | The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de |
| 00:31.10 | Bazel | shazzamy q rango eres mi rango es lammer |
| 00:31.11 | anigma | !no |
| 00:31.11 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 00:31.15 | anigma | heh |
| 00:31.18 | anigma | damn... |
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| 00:31.22 | hoohaah | abrotman: I'm just curious as to who has the task of keeping factoids up-to-date |
| 00:31.28 | abrotman | lots of people |
| 00:31.38 | abrotman | Bazel: /join #debian-es .. in your irc client |
| 00:31.41 | hoohaah | ops? |
| 00:31.48 | abrotman | hoohaah: why?! |
| 00:31.50 | Shazzamy_ | !pt |
| 00:31.50 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 00:32.02 | Bazel | algun lammer??' |
| 00:32.04 | Shazzamy_ | !de |
| 00:32.05 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 00:32.09 | hoohaah | abrotman: I told you just then |
| 00:32.19 | abrotman | no you didn't |
| 00:32.22 | hoohaah | I'm just worried about the validity of some were they unmaintained |
| 00:32.27 | abrotman | then fix them |
| 00:32.36 | Bazel | #debian-pt |
| 00:32.39 | hoohaah | "then fix them" ? |
| 00:32.40 | abrotman | or ask someone to fix them for you |
| 00:32.46 | hoohaah | who would that someone be? |
| 00:32.48 | sepult | veni vidi |
| 00:32.58 | Shazzamy_ | Mi habla no español |
| 00:33.01 | Bazel | los lammers son muy buenos buscadores y hackeadores de hotmails |
| 00:33.01 | hoohaah | that's what you've failed to address |
| 00:33.03 | abrotman | Shazzamy_: english here |
| 00:33.07 | abrotman | Bazel: english here |
| 00:33.13 | abrotman | hoohaah: anyone |
| 00:33.27 | Bazel | algun channel español |
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| 00:33.37 | abrotman | Bazel: /join #debian-es |
| 00:33.47 | abrotman | you are already there |
| 00:33.58 | hoohaah | again with the vagueness |
| 00:34.01 | Shazzamy_ | Lol, i know it's english here |
| 00:34.04 | hoohaah | forget I asked. |
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| 00:34.17 | abrotman | hoohaah: i just told you .. anyone can |
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| 00:34.24 | abrotman | doesn't see what is so hard |
| 00:34.29 | hoohaah | well, you made it sound like a select few |
| 00:34.53 | abrotman | hoohaah: a few people go back and check old factoids usually .. but usually they're just fixed when they're noticed to be wrong |
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| 00:35.29 | hoohaah | abrotman: only those "few people" can create new factoids too, I'm guessing |
| 00:35.34 | abrotman | no .. anyone can |
| 00:36.05 | hoohaah | collective nouns are varying. headsplode |
| 00:36.26 | abrotman | anyone can alter the bot .. changing/adding/deleting factoids .. is that simple enough to understand ? |
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| 00:37.23 | hoohaah | it doesn't need to be simple. but it does need to be accurate :) |
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| 00:45.48 | hoohaah | hm, the wiki page does not mention creation of factoids |
| 00:45.57 | hoohaah | and /msg dpkg help doesn't 'help' either |
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| 00:46.29 | hoohaah | so it seems that while 'anyone' can change it's behavior, that functionality is hidden from the masses |
| 00:47.04 | hoohaah | this abuse-prevention may have led to your answers, abrotman.. which I completely understand |
| 00:47.28 | abrotman | uhm .. it's just learning how |
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| 00:48.09 | hoohaah | come again? |
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| 00:49.27 | abrotman | you can change it, you just need to learn how |
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| 00:49.42 | hoohaah | and the knowledge to do so is public domain? |
| 00:49.49 | hoohaah | +in the |
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| 00:50.04 | abrotman | yes .. it's an opensource bot |
| 00:50.26 | hoohaah | blootbot, is it? |
| 00:50.57 | abrotman | i thnik it's all been merged back to an infobot |
| 00:51.49 | hoohaah | thanks |
| 00:53.39 | abrotman | hoohaah: however .. please don't fill the bot with useless junk |
| 00:54.15 | hoohaah | judging from listkeys, there's already a bit of useless junk there (ie retaliations of some sort) |
| 00:54.24 | hoohaah | but no, I just wanted to understand it, tis all |
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| 00:54.56 | abrotman | yes, but some people try to clean up the bot .. and remove things like "isee" |
| 00:55.24 | hoohaah | hah |
| 00:55.37 | hoohaah | i guess you were indeed a bit weary of sharing the info |
| 00:55.47 | abrotman | because people fill the bot with junk |
| 00:55.58 | abrotman | which then when you use things like listkeys .. makes it hard to find things that are actually useful |
| 00:56.27 | hoohaah | like baby duck syndrome? |
| 00:56.35 | hoohaah | it's pretty easy to classify people as such, right? |
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| 00:57.04 | hoohaah | as I said, it looks like retaliatory stuff can be found in factoids too |
| 00:57.22 | abrotman | yes .. not everything has been cleaned out yet .. |
| 00:57.33 | abrotman | the bot has 40k factoids .. hard to find everything |
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| 00:57.50 | abrotman | and some are so old they've been locked and can't be deleted/changed |
| 00:58.02 | hoohaah | pretty convenient! |
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| 00:58.11 | hoohaah | but i'll hush. this is all very off-topic |
| 00:58.27 | hoohaah | I just wanted to address a few suspicions I've had in the past |
| 00:58.45 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:58.54 | abrotman | suspicions? |
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| 01:01.00 | ootput | hoohaah: the factoid system certainly isn't perfect |
| 01:01.23 | ootput | noone is assigned the task of ensuring that every single factoid is indeed 'fact' |
| 01:01.36 | ootput | hoohaah: with everything, there's a signal:noise ratio |
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| 01:01.45 | ootput | It's the Internet ;) |
| 01:03.08 | hoohaah | ootput: hah. maybe that spiel should be a factoid |
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| 01:03.33 | ootput | no pitch there. common sense, really |
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| 01:13.02 | hoohaah | anyone have an idea of when testing will undergo a code freeze? |
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| 01:13.15 | hoohaah | ie no new accepts of package (+versions) |
| 01:13.23 | abrotman | it will be announced well before |
| 01:13.35 | lostson | i would bet it will be awhile |
| 01:13.43 | lostson | testing runs very well though |
| 01:13.47 | lostson | at least for me |
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| 01:20.22 | Rufus_2777 | good morning |
| 01:20.38 | hoohaah | is there a quick way besides packages interace to get a list of all available versions of a package in testing and sid? |
| 01:20.51 | Rufus_2777 | can anyone help me with creating a raid1 array then mounting/moving /home to it? |
| 01:20.51 | hoohaah | i'd like to compare the two versions for matches or differences |
| 01:21.04 | hoohaah | ie ideally a flatfile |
| 01:21.06 | abrotman | apt-listversions maybe ? |
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| 01:21.27 | hoohaah | abrotman: does that rely on having both sources enabled in sources.lst? |
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| 01:21.58 | abrotman | i believe so |
| 01:22.22 | Rufus_2777 | anyone? |
| 01:22.23 | ootput | apt-show-versions an entirely different beast? |
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| 01:22.36 | abrotman | uhm .. that's what i meant :) |
| 01:22.42 | ootput | never used the two, but have seen them mentioned |
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| 01:24.37 | hoohaah | i ask because I plan on doing a downgrade from sid to testing |
| 01:25.18 | hoohaah | i don't know if i should go down the --get-selections> , --set-selections< route, or to simply use testing as repo, and wait til testing reaches unstable versions |
| 01:25.36 | Rufus_2777 | hello? |
| 01:25.46 | abrotman | hoohaah: you mean a reinstall ? |
| 01:25.58 | hoohaah | abrotman: well, that's the first option |
| 01:25.59 | hoohaah | yeah |
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| 01:26.07 | hoohaah | the second will allow me to use the system as is |
| 01:26.16 | hoohaah | - only, no security updates |
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| 01:26.50 | ootput | hoohaah: you've logically addressed the latter option ;) |
| 01:27.08 | ootput | there are other caveats, but that would be the main one |
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| 01:27.48 | hoohaah | ootput: yes. the other concern i had was that testing would take ages to reach unstable version |
| 01:28.01 | eaglestar | hi i had a question i just installed debian lenny with lxde but when i minimize windows all i see are small folders how do i change this? |
| 01:28.30 | hoohaah | eaglestar: sounds like 'desktop icons' option of lxde |
| 01:28.38 | hoohaah | but I've never used it myself |
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| 01:29.12 | hoohaah | is it because lxde lacks a taskbar of sorts? |
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| 01:30.06 | eaglestar | so hoohaah what am i supposed to do? |
| 01:30.22 | eaglestar | no it has everything just my icons in my tabs when i minimize them have no value |
| 01:31.12 | eaglestar | i think it is loading my old ubuntu settings by default because i see my old ubuntu desktop with icons and stuff |
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| 01:32.22 | hoohaah | eaglestar: unless your ubuntu was running lxde, or you've managed to concurrently run 2 wms, they shouldn't conflict |
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| 01:32.46 | hoohaah | maybe it's just an invalid fonts definition for lxde statusbar |
| 01:33.30 | dhendrix | Hey everyone. I have a dumb question about make-kpkg. The name of the .deb that make-kpkg spits out seems to repeat kernel version info, e.g. linux-image-2.6.30-rc7_2.6.30-rc7-10.00Custom_amd64.deb. Is there a way to tell make-kpkg not to repeat the kernel version? |
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| 01:34.07 | ootput | dhendrix: how are you calling make-kpkg? |
| 01:34.27 | dhendrix | ootput: make-kpkg --rootcmd=fakeroot kernel-image from within my kernel source tree. |
| 01:34.30 | eaglestar | i am kind of new at tweaking i don't really tweak much i am just a user of linux 7+ years :) how do i change them? |
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| 01:35.55 | hoohaah | eaglestar: i haven't used lxde, so this is just a generic response: if you have migrated any files from ubuntu $HOME, I'd suggest backing them up, and starting $HOME anew |
| 01:36.30 | hoohaah | eaglestar: it could be your .Xresources (.Xdefaults) specifying a default font for *, when that font does not exist in the debian system (as opposed to your ubuntu system) |
| 01:36.58 | eaglestar | thanks! hoohaah |
| 01:37.00 | hoohaah | dhendrix: i had that encounted that problem in the past |
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| 01:37.43 | hoohaah | dhendrix: i launch make-kpkg with a script (modify as needed) http://pastebin.com/f7493d47b |
| 01:37.58 | eaglestar | where would the .Xdefaults location be? |
| 01:38.00 | hoohaah | this keeps with debian version control |
| 01:38.38 | hoohaah | eaglestar: either .Xdefaults, or .Xresources (one would be a symlink to the other, unless specified with xrdb -* .Xsessions) |
| 01:38.44 | hoohaah | eaglestar: in $HOME |
| 01:39.23 | dhendrix | hoohaah: Ah, very cool! I'll tinkered with the flags for a bit, but didn't seem to get anywhere. I'll give your script a try and let you know how it works out. |
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| 01:39.54 | eaglestar | i don't see that folder |
| 01:39.56 | hoohaah | dhendrix: that script will create a kernel image vmlinuz-2.6.30-rc7-wisdom-amd64, or simialr |
| 01:40.03 | windtunnel__ | i think im having trouble setting up a new user |
| 01:40.40 | hoohaah | eaglestar: cd $HOME |
| 01:40.51 | hoohaah | eaglestar: that's your user's home directory |
| 01:40.55 | hoohaah | ie /home/$USER |
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| 01:41.17 | eaglestar | yeah its not there |
| 01:41.37 | hoohaah | eaglestar: you _are_ on a *nix system, right? |
| 01:41.51 | eaglestar | yes i am on debian lenny with lxde |
| 01:42.08 | hoohaah | eaglestar: the file(s) may(not) exist |
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| 01:42.17 | hoohaah | if they don't, obviously they're not to blame :) |
| 01:42.29 | eaglestar | so how would i fix it? |
| 01:42.36 | abrotman | windtunnel__: why do you say that? |
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| 01:43.04 | hoohaah | eaglestar: did you use lxde in ubuntu? and did you migrate your ubuntu's $HOME to debian? |
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| 01:43.11 | eaglestar | nope |
| 01:43.14 | eaglestar | oh |
| 01:43.16 | eaglestar | yes hoohaah |
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| 01:43.28 | eaglestar | i have 3 seperate partitions |
| 01:43.47 | hoohaah | eaglestar: then for all things lxde (google or consult man page for lxde configs), backup the files, and start anew |
| 01:43.51 | eaglestar | 1 / 2 /home 3 /swap more or less but i also have backup ubuntu in case i have props |
| 01:44.44 | eaglestar | backup which files |
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| 01:45.16 | hoohaah | eaglestar: well, you basically went from debian unstable (ubuntu) to debian stable.. so there are bound to be unknown options in configs for apps. |
| 01:45.25 | eaglestar | oh i se |
| 01:45.26 | eaglestar | see |
| 01:45.27 | hoohaah | eaglestar: it's better off starting with a clean slate |
| 01:45.32 | eaglestar | oh ok |
| 01:45.39 | eaglestar | so what should i do then? |
| 01:45.55 | eaglestar | backup all my folders in a tarball on my external and start over? |
| 01:45.56 | hoohaah | back them up, and slowly introduce options from ubuntu configs to bare debian configs |
| 01:46.08 | eaglestar | ok i see |
| 01:46.19 | hoohaah | eaglestar: well, for media files and fetch tarballs, there's no need. but for dotfiles, yes. |
| 01:46.33 | hoohaah | eaglestar: but for ease, just backup the entire $HOME |
| 01:46.36 | eaglestar | now just to ask why would i want to use debian over ubuntu? it seems to be running faster for now but i don't know what will happen later |
| 01:47.00 | hoohaah | eaglestar: well i guess that depends on you, and how you address challenges :) |
| 01:47.05 | hoohaah | there's no right/wrong answer there |
| 01:47.16 | eaglestar | ok i see |
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| 01:47.29 | eaglestar | so what if this doesn't work? |
| 01:47.37 | hoohaah | mutters something about "isee" |
| 01:47.39 | hoohaah | ;) |
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| 01:47.47 | hoohaah | eaglestar: what won't work |
| 01:47.59 | hoohaah | eaglestar: then it's an issue with lxde, I suppose |
| 01:48.00 | eaglestar | if i backup my files and reinstall and the icons are still like this |
| 01:48.04 | eaglestar | oh ok cool |
| 01:48.15 | hoohaah | eaglestar: global configs for lxde (as created by package) should just work |
| 01:48.17 | eaglestar | so when i do a fresh install i should have a .X |
| 01:48.25 | eaglestar | oh ok i see |
| 01:48.34 | eaglestar | well i will backup and also backup my xorg file too i guess |
| 01:48.53 | eaglestar | is there a basic backup tar command i can do without using the /. files/folders? |
| 01:49.00 | hoohaah | eaglestar: not if you're only touching $HOME |
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| 01:49.39 | eaglestar | yes but in my home directory there is home/user |
| 01:49.40 | hoohaah | eaglestar: the problem with deleting everything in $HOME is that it'll also delete skeleton files produced by adduser script (when you created a user) |
| 01:49.53 | eaglestar | then there is /home/user/. files/folders |
| 01:49.59 | eaglestar | how do i make sure that these don't interfere later |
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| 01:50.40 | hoohaah | what do you mean? |
| 01:50.52 | eaglestar | when i unpack the tarball into home |
| 01:50.58 | eaglestar | after re partitioning |
| 01:51.26 | hoohaah | if you're worried about path clobbering, you should address how you created the tarball |
| 01:51.32 | hoohaah | with paths in mind |
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| 01:52.18 | eaglestar | so for example if i wanted to backup /home/user how would i do it without backing up /home/user/. files |
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| 01:52.53 | eaglestar | it has taken me a long time to do things in debian when it would take a shorter time in ubuntu already |
| 01:53.09 | windtunnel__ | i have my user added and the home dir set up |
| 01:53.13 | hoohaah | that's why i mentioned the 'challenge' earlier |
| 01:53.21 | eaglestar | ok cool |
| 01:53.24 | eaglestar | thanks for mentioning that |
| 01:53.29 | windtunnel__ | but i think this user is having some kind of permissions problem with certain program |
| 01:53.31 | hoohaah | eaglestar: but having used ubuntu for so long, you're struggling with this task, see? |
| 01:53.48 | hoohaah | and this task is fairly elementary compared to what you can do on a *nix system |
| 01:54.01 | eaglestar | yes i see hoohaah but i am not into tweaking i am into using only |
| 01:54.06 | eaglestar | like basic user functions |
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| 01:54.22 | hoohaah | ubuntu was designed to hide the complex nature of *nix, and allow you to enjoy it's fruits |
| 01:54.46 | hoohaah | ubuntu, opensuse etc |
| 01:55.10 | eaglestar | ok |
| 01:55.16 | eaglestar | i will try maybe xubuntu then |
| 01:55.25 | hoohaah | eaglestar: i'm heading out soon. for less headaches, and for the purpose of _only_ fixing lxde, it'll be easier for you to do some web research on how configs are designed for lxde |
| 01:55.30 | hoohaah | eaglestar: and replace only those in $HOME |
| 01:55.36 | eaglestar | ok |
| 01:55.42 | eaglestar | thanks |
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| 01:55.57 | abrotman | windtunnel__: we need examples |
| 01:55.59 | hoohaah | eaglestar: yes. debian-variants are generally easier to use |
| 01:56.19 | abrotman | hoohaah: i think that depends on your definition of 'fruits' |
| 01:56.44 | hoohaah | the exotics ;) |
| 01:56.44 | windtunnel__ | the program is xbmc. with one user it works perfectly. when using it with the newly created user the audio seems to crash when i start a movie |
| 01:56.48 | eaglestar | ok i see it in the wiki |
| 01:56.51 | eaglestar | it is not setup correctly |
| 01:56.55 | eaglestar | thank you for your help |
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| 01:57.07 | windtunnel__ | i thought the problem was xbmc at first but the problem is unique to this user |
| 01:57.09 | hoohaah | abrotman: the ones that provide taste, but no real nutrients |
| 01:57.17 | eaglestar | i will change the config file and restart x to see if it works |
| 01:57.20 | eaglestar | thanks! |
| 01:57.24 | abrotman | windtunnel__: tried to strace it ? |
| 01:57.31 | windtunnel__ | strace? |
| 01:58.00 | abrotman | like 'strace xbmc' .. it'll produce a lot of output |
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| 01:59.03 | windtunnel__ | i dont have strace installed |
| 01:59.10 | windtunnel__ | will it matter if i install in now? |
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| 02:00.44 | hackeron | anyone know how to accurately get a duration of wav file? - I tried mplayer -identify but it shows 12008.08 when the duration is 64.01 |
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| 02:01.52 | Polarina | hackeron: File size? |
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| 02:03.12 | pl | hackeron, with -identify I get the right ID_LENGTH= value, in seconds |
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| 02:04.52 | phr0nak | hallo |
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| 02:06.42 | hackeron | pl: ID_LENGTH is VERY unreliable |
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| 02:07.39 | pl | hackeron, so where did you read 12008.08? |
| 02:08.00 | hackeron | pl: ID_LENGTH |
| 02:08.04 | abrotman | hackeron: how many fps ? |
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| 02:08.11 | hackeron | abrotman: fps in wav? - erm, lol? |
| 02:08.19 | abrotman | duh .. ignore me :) |
| 02:08.35 | abrotman | i was thinking the 12008 was total frames .. and 64 was the duration |
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| 02:14.09 | ootput | heh |
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| 02:15.59 | eaglestar | hoohaah, if you are still on this looks interesting |
| 02:15.59 | eaglestar | http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090427#feature |
| 02:16.09 | JBstrikesagain | i installed x11 packages on my lenny server and it removed hotplug and installed udev instead.. now when my server boots the network modules aren't loaded.. what do i have to do to get udev to load those automatically? |
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| 02:18.19 | stevenmbp | hey fellas |
| 02:18.24 | stevenmbp | 888, good number to be in the chan |
| 02:20.22 | JBstrikesagain | you made die7, well, die. |
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| 02:21.16 | stevenmbp | quick question... im setting up a mail server on my debian installation, which is hosted on slicehost.com. if running `host` with my slice's IP displays "1-2-3-4.static.slicehost.net", should i set that as my hostname inside /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts ? |
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| 02:23.25 | JBstrikesagain | stevenmbp, i think you can use any real name record you want including that one, for a mailserver it's important to have that PTR record (which is what you posted). I think. |
| 02:23.26 | JBstrikesagain | ;-) |
| 02:23.52 | stevenmbp | wow im confused |
| 02:24.05 | stevenmbp | thanks though, im sure it was a smart answer :) |
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| 02:24.06 | JBstrikesagain | stevenmbp, don't you have a simple domain name? |
| 02:24.16 | neuro_damage | heartz debian, dhclient actually works in this distro :) |
| 02:24.18 | JBstrikesagain | not the slicehost one? |
| 02:24.19 | stevenmbp | well i have like 6 |
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| 02:24.24 | neuro_damage | it actually puts sthe domain Belkin, for my router :) |
| 02:24.26 | stevenmbp | and im hosting them all from the same apache server on my slice |
| 02:24.39 | JBstrikesagain | stevenmbp, so you can use any of them |
| 02:25.24 | JBstrikesagain | neuro_damage, what does dhclient do? |
| 02:25.39 | stevenmbp | i cant just use the domain name i get when i `host 1.2.3.4` (actually my IP)? |
| 02:25.40 | neuro_damage | JBstrikesagain: it actually writes the resolv.conf file correctly :) |
| 02:25.49 | JBstrikesagain | neuro_damage, oh |
| 02:26.00 | JBstrikesagain | stevenmbp, ya you can use that |
| 02:26.07 | JBstrikesagain | as long as whatever you use resolves to that IP |
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| 02:26.43 | JBstrikesagain | what i was saying about the PTR record earlier is just that some mail servers won't accept mail from mail servers that don't have a reverse record (PTR).. and yours does so that is good |
| 02:27.06 | stevenmbp | awesome |
| 02:27.53 | neuro_damage | JBstrikesagain: it actually writes the resolv.conf file correctly :) |
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| 02:28.04 | neuro_damage | any good documentations on flashplugin? |
| 02:28.09 | JBstrikesagain | neuro_damage, you told me that already lol |
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| 02:29.24 | neuro_damage | JBstrikesagain: oh right l.... hehe, well that's what it does that opensuse and gentoo weren't for me :) |
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| 02:30.54 | neuro_damage | I was wondering I have a few things to learen about Debian, since it's going to be my new distro, like for instance, I put the FontPath in Section "Files" EndSection, but I'm not seeing the fonts in gnome-terminal? |
| 02:30.58 | neuro_damage | they are PCF fonts :) |
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| 02:35.52 | eaglestar | how do i install a package manager similar that of ubuntu with popularity, description, icon, etc |
| 02:36.06 | eaglestar | synaptic is very very basic for me |
| 02:36.15 | amitz | just read debian volatile wiki but not sure: Can I combine debian stable with debian volatile? Will there be package conflict I must resolve manuall? Thanks. |
| 02:36.41 | azeem_ | amitz: volatile is meant to be used with stable, yes |
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| 02:42.01 | lewis2 | in bash, how do I remove the last four characters of a string? |
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| 02:44.28 | dmoerner | lewis2, man cut |
| 02:44.54 | abrotman | or ask #bash |
| 02:44.58 | `brandon` | hello, i am trying to sudo apt-get install wine but i keep getting i am not in the sudoers file |
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| 02:45.13 | `brandon` | how do i add myself to the sudoers file |
| 02:45.21 | abrotman | so don't use sudo |
| 02:46.11 | abrotman | and you really should be using aptitude |
| 02:46.35 | `brandon` | never mind i will use my root |
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| 02:46.49 | abrotman | or man sudoers to learn how to change the conf file |
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| 02:47.04 | `brandon` | well alot of things i do i need so to sudo |
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| 02:47.33 | abrotman | you don't need sudo |
| 02:48.05 | flourish | hello, is there a channel in irc.freenode.org of google? |
| 02:48.26 | jony123 | what are the minium req for just a base debian install no gui |
| 02:48.27 | jony123 | ? |
| 02:48.28 | abrotman | #google oddly enough |
| 02:48.31 | flourish | sorry, wrong question |
| 02:48.39 | flourish | thanks |
| 02:48.40 | abrotman | jony123: the install guide has that answer for you |
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| 02:49.25 | jony123 | no quick answers here then. ill go check out that guide |
| 02:49.30 | Supermiguel | how many physical hard drives do u need for raidz? |
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| 02:49.37 | abrotman | depends which raid |
| 02:50.38 | abrotman | jony123: i think it's about 48MB RAM, 486 CPU, and 300MB HDD or so |
| 02:50.40 | Supermiguel | raidz |
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| 02:58.03 | desynch | what is the quivalent of iptstate on debian? |
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| 02:59.02 | pickcoder | iptstate maybe? |
| 02:59.07 | pickcoder | apt-get install iptstate |
| 02:59.44 | pickcoder | though I should probably suggest aptitude install iptstate |
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| 03:14.58 | windtunnel__ | can someone please help me figure why one of my users is having what seems like a permissions problem? |
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| 03:26.07 | desynch | thanks pickcoder |
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| 03:28.53 | Chewie[] | just installed lighttpd and i can't get it to show anything other than a 400 error.. known issue? will continue research, wondering if this is common. |
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| 03:30.10 | Chewie[] | oh, nevermind, figured it out, http://10.60/ does NOT work, http://10.0.0.60/ DOES work. |
| 03:33.12 | desynch | what should i do if dont want other users to view or ls to /root dir? |
| 03:34.59 | desynch | anyone here? |
| 03:36.06 | Qew | as root, chmod 700 /root should do it |
| 03:36.23 | desynch | lols |
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| 03:37.13 | Qew | what's funny? |
| 03:37.21 | desynch | how about umask 077 |
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| 03:39.02 | desynch | how about if i dont want other users to see other users /home/dir? |
| 03:39.10 | desynch | still chmod 700 /root |
| 03:39.11 | desynch | ? |
| 03:40.35 | Qew | then chmod the user's /home/user directory to 700 |
| 03:41.14 | desynch | hmmmm .. |
| 03:41.25 | desynch | will that not affect users to the libraries? |
| 03:41.54 | Qew | what libraries have you in /home/user? |
| 03:42.04 | Qew | I'm not saying /usr |
| 03:42.07 | desynch | i mean their access to the libraries like gcc |
| 03:42.11 | desynch | yeah |
| 03:42.13 | desynch | thanks |
| 03:42.39 | Qew | again, I'm not saying /usr, I'm referring to /home/desynch (if your user is called desynch) |
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| 03:43.00 | Qew | np |
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| 03:43.16 | calamari | hi |
| 03:43.50 | calamari | I am wondering if repositories for super old releases (like hamm) still exist |
| 03:44.29 | calamari | and if not.. what is the older debian for which there is |
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| 03:44.35 | calamari | *oldest |
| 03:44.35 | JNSamuel | i haz archive |
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| 03:48.29 | calamari | cool I found it |
| 03:48.31 | jony123 | is their anyway in #! i can setup like a peristant image or something |
| 03:49.48 | unop_ | what is #! ? |
| 03:50.54 | jony123 | opps wrong window |
| 03:51.05 | jony123 | nvm |
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| 03:52.00 | calamari | ftp://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/dists/ |
| 03:52.09 | calamari | goes all the way back to buzz :) |
| 03:52.37 | neuro_damage | how would I determine why du -sch stats and df -hv don't add up |
| 03:52.57 | neuro_damage | the drive is 400G in siiiize but du -sch is reporting only 100G of usage |
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| 03:54.41 | kolpur | does iceweasel support dynamically added attributes in DOM ? |
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| 04:09.46 | jmoncayo | how can i set the default browser to iceweasel? update-alternatives --config ? |
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| 04:13.38 | IamSOG | I alrady ran alsaconf and found my yamaha YMF-754, but it still doesn't work, and so I downloaded the morse program and run it in command point, it said ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:[prase_card] cannot find card "0" ALSA lib config.c:3513:i_snd_config_evaluate) function func_card_driver redurned error.no sch file or directory |
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| 04:13.41 | alvarezp | is away: |
| 04:13.51 | IamSOG | does that mean I should reinstall the Drivers and modules in some ways ? |
| 04:14.24 | Qew | jmoncayo: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 04:14.58 | Qew | you'll be presented with choices (the GUI browsers you have installed) |
| 04:15.59 | Sashi | hmm ls -lh << is there a recursive command? |
| 04:16.20 | jmoncayo | Qew: thanks |
| 04:16.31 | IamSOG | I alrady ran alsaconf and found my yamaha YMF-754, but it still doesn't work, and so I downloaded the morse program and run it in command point, it said ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:[prase_card] cannot find card "0" ALSA lib config.c:3513:i_snd_config_evaluate) function func_card_driver redurned error.no sch file or directory anyone know if I should update the drivers in some ways |
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| 04:17.25 | Qew | Sashi: ls -Rlh |
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| 04:18.47 | Sashi | thx |
| 04:19.21 | Qew | ah well, sleep beckons me. bye all |
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| 04:30.44 | Brandon | hello, i am using debain and when i rebooted it went strate to debian i can't get to my windows, and i was wondering how do i uninstall debian from my OS? |
| 04:32.04 | ootput | Brandon: you don't need to uninstall it if you simply want the option of booting into either |
| 04:32.32 | Brandon | i won't let me choose |
| 04:32.40 | nkuttler | Brandon: that is, unless you formatted the whole drive |
| 04:32.41 | Brandon | it go's strate to debian |
| 04:32.56 | Brandon | don't tell me i need to reinstall everything |
| 04:32.57 | ootput | Brandon: because there's no /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:33.05 | nkuttler | Brandon: check /boot/grub/menu.lst, there should be an example for windows |
| 04:33.25 | ootput | nkuttler: yeah, that's also a possibility. Are you clear on which partitions you've installed which OS? |
| 04:33.37 | Brandon | k i found menu.lst |
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| 04:34.33 | Brandon | what do i do ? |
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| 04:34.40 | maek | what's the debian equivalent to kickstart called please? thanks. |
| 04:35.05 | nkuttler | maek: what does it do? |
| 04:35.18 | maek | its so you can do auto installs over pxe booted boxes. |
| 04:35.40 | maek | automated network installs with an "answer file" |
| 04:36.02 | Brandon | nkuttler: i don't understand. |
| 04:36.22 | Brandon | what to do |
| 04:36.30 | nkuttler | Brandon: pastebin your menu.lst and output of mount and cat /proc/partitions |
| 04:36.49 | nkuttler | maek: i think that's what preseeding is for, see the install guide |
| 04:37.06 | maek | nkuttler: ill take a look, thanks |
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| 04:38.24 | dr0zaxx | hi, how do i make it such a way symbolic link does not copy the folder name but link contents? |
| 04:38.51 | Brandon | there is nothing in my partitions file |
| 04:41.15 | Brandon | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/d15102590 |
| 04:42.03 | nkuttler | Brandon: that looks like you're using some extended partition? |
| 04:42.24 | Brandon | idk what that means |
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| 04:42.38 | Brandon | so what should i do? |
| 04:42.49 | nkuttler | Brandon: see the windows example and use root (hd0,4), uncomment that entry |
| 04:43.22 | Brandon | the entire thing? |
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| 04:43.34 | Brandon | from root to kernal |
| 04:43.42 | Brandon | kernel* |
| 04:43.46 | nkuttler | title, root etc, four lines |
| 04:44.01 | Brandon | What? |
| 04:44.22 | nkuttler | Brandon: http://pastebin.com/m59f4f87b |
| 04:44.46 | Brandon | oh okay did that. |
| 04:44.50 | Brandon | now what? |
| 04:45.10 | nkuttler | Brandon: you save the file and reboot |
| 04:45.20 | Brandon | okay. |
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| 04:46.11 | acidslep | Something i cannot find online: The signals for mv and cp? |
| 04:46.14 | Brandon | it won't let me |
| 04:46.24 | Brandon | brb |
| 04:46.41 | acidslep | I can't figure out what the sigusr's do at all.. i really was hoping there was a status report signal but there is no way to find out. |
| 04:47.37 | acidslep | any ideas? |
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| 04:48.08 | windtunnel__ | can somoene pls. help me set up a new user? |
| 04:48.16 | windtunnel__ | im having all kinds of weird problems |
| 04:48.51 | acidslep | we'll try, ask your question. |
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| 04:50.19 | windtunnel__ | i used useradd to add a user to my system. when this user starts the xbmc program the audio doesnt work properly. this user also cannot startkde or fluxbox |
| 04:50.35 | windtunnel__ | all of these things work perfectly for my other user |
| 04:51.45 | acidslep | by other user you mean the first account? yeah. you need to set certain permissions and such with new users if programs did not properly configure your skeleton configurations. |
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| 04:52.15 | windtunnel__ | yes |
| 04:52.38 | windtunnel__ | i created a home dir. for the new user and set the permissions for it |
| 04:52.49 | windtunnel__ | but what about other things installed on my system? |
| 04:52.53 | windtunnel__ | like kde and xbmc |
| 04:52.55 | acidslep | an easy fix for the sound is to add the new user to the audio group |
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| 04:53.04 | windtunnel__ | ive already done that |
| 04:53.07 | windtunnel__ | thats not the issuye |
| 04:53.10 | windtunnel__ | issue* |
| 04:53.18 | acidslep | im saying i don't think those programs properly configured the skeleton configuration |
| 04:53.31 | windtunnel__ | the audio crashes in xbmx with this user but not with the other |
| 04:53.36 | acidslep | the one that was copied to the homedir when you created the user. |
| 04:53.44 | acidslep | how does it crash. |
| 04:54.05 | acidslep | ? |
| 04:54.21 | windtunnel__ | the audio work in xbmc at first. then when i start a movie it says failed to initialize audio device |
| 04:54.35 | windtunnel__ | and it doesnt work at all untill i log out and log in again |
| 04:54.56 | acidslep | but it works before you start the movie?! |
| 04:55.02 | windtunnel__ | no |
| 04:55.11 | windtunnel__ | starting the movie seems to be what crashes it |
| 04:55.16 | acidslep | yeah |
| 04:55.16 | windtunnel__ | oh yes |
| 04:55.20 | windtunnel__ | it works prior |
| 04:55.27 | acidslep | for something other than a movie.. |
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| 04:55.38 | acidslep | thats really strange. i don't know whats going on there. |
| 04:55.38 | windtunnel__ | i can aplay dev/random and it works fine |
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| 04:57.13 | acidslep | well we can try to work around the audio problem, or you can look for a the wide scale problem. i can't help much with the latter. |
| 04:57.55 | windtunnel__ | what would a work around be? |
| 04:58.01 | acidslep | what window manager do you use? |
| 04:58.26 | windtunnel__ | i dont with this user |
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| 05:00.33 | Brandon | Okay who was the person i was talking to? |
| 05:01.40 | JNSamuel | me |
| 05:02.15 | Brandon | okay then |
| 05:03.04 | Brandon | well i edited that file and i got this error ERROR 13: Unvalid or unsupported exusable forman |
| 05:03.14 | Brandon | format* |
| 05:03.40 | Brandon | when i added windows to menu.lst |
| 05:04.12 | Brandon | but my windows version is Vista |
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| 05:04.53 | acidslep | "exusable forman" |
| 05:05.23 | Brandon | if you look i said <Brandon> format* |
| 05:05.24 | nkuttler | and that's error 18, not 13 |
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| 05:05.45 | nkuttler | Brandon: pastebin your sources.list again |
| 05:06.08 | Brandon | you told me to edit menu.ls |
| 05:06.12 | Brandon | menu.lst ** |
| 05:06.16 | nkuttler | er, right |
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| 05:07.48 | Brandon | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/d71abf39f |
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| 05:08.41 | amitz | how to set ssh so that it only allow authentication by public/private key only, no normal password is allowed? |
| 05:08.46 | nkuttler | Brandon: and you did try to boot the windows entry? |
| 05:08.52 | Brandon | yes |
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| 05:08.57 | nkuttler | amitz: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 05:08.57 | Brandon | and i got that error msg |
| 05:09.01 | nkuttler | Brandon: no idea then |
| 05:09.06 | amitz | while keeping local user able to login via password. |
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| 05:09.25 | avu | Brandon, hd0,0 can hardy be both your linux root and your windows partition... |
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| 05:09.32 | nkuttler | oh |
| 05:09.46 | nkuttler | Brandon: that was supposed to be hd0,4 |
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| 05:15.34 | Brandon | okay i will try again |
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| 05:18.03 | nirupama | I have created to empty partitions |
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| 05:18.12 | nirupama | but those two are not getting mounte |
| 05:18.14 | nirupama | but those two are not getting mounted |
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| 05:18.25 | nirupama | I have added the names in fstab too |
| 05:18.37 | nirupama | when i give mount manually |
| 05:18.51 | nirupama | it shows there is no filesystem |
| 05:18.59 | nirupama | whereas I gave the type as 83 |
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| 05:19.26 | avu | nirupama, creating partions does not create file systems |
| 05:19.50 | avu | nirupama, you have to do that using mkfs(8) |
| 05:19.50 | nirupama | avu, I used cfdisk |
| 05:19.55 | avu | yes |
| 05:20.00 | avu | with which, you created partitions |
| 05:20.03 | avu | not file systems |
| 05:20.22 | nirupama | avu, I did cfdisk and used the free space to create a linux partition |
| 05:20.30 | avu | yes, I get that |
| 05:20.33 | nirupama | in type I gave 83(linux) |
| 05:20.41 | nirupama | avu, so what i need to do now |
| 05:20.47 | avu | no it's time for you to get that this did not create a file system |
| 05:20.51 | avu | I already told you |
| 05:20.56 | avu | 07:19 < avu> nirupama, creating partions does not create file systems |
| 05:20.56 | avu | 07:19 < avu> nirupama, you have to do that using mkfs(8) |
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| 05:24.06 | Brandon | nope still got errors |
| 05:24.38 | Brandon | but this time it says ERROR 12: Invalid device requested. |
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| 05:25.09 | avu | Brandon, use the tab completion in your grub shell when booting to find the right device/partition |
| 05:26.01 | Brandon | ? |
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| 05:26.15 | Brandon | how do i do that? |
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| 05:27.02 | avu | you edit the entry when booting (using e), chose the line you want to change, press e again and then try around using the tab completion |
| 05:27.17 | avu | it's really nothing secret you know, grub does have documentation |
| 05:27.22 | Brandon | okay will try |
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| 05:27.54 | IamSOG | I alrady ran alsaconf and found my yamaha YMF-754, but it still doesn't work, and so I downloaded the morse program and run it in command point, it said ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:[prase_card] cannot find card "0" ALSA lib config.c:3513:i_snd_config_evaluate) function func_card_driver redurned error.no sch file or directory anyone know if I should update the drivers in some ways |
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| 05:30.21 | KDewhirst | I'm trying to make a notification script that watches for windows requesting attention when the screen is blanked and then blinks an led on my keyboard. I have the program to control the leds (ledcontrol) but I can't find how to check for windows that want attention from bash. I've tried xwininfo and xprop to no avail. I'm using KDE if that's at all relevant. |
| 05:30.35 | neuro_damage | if I have an LVM and I resize it, but the filesystem type is JFS, how do I get that to grow inside of the LVM while the filesystem is live? I know that you can do that with ext3 |
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| 05:42.14 | IamSOG | I alrady ran alsaconf and found my yamaha YMF-754, but it still doesn't work, and so I downloaded the morse program and run it in command point, it said ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:[prase_card] cannot find card "0" ALSA lib config.c:3513:i_snd_config_evaluate) function func_card_driver redurned error.no sch file or directory anyone know if I should update the drivers in some ways |
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| 05:45.14 | Brandon | nope still no luck |
| 05:47.55 | Brandon | i tryed everything |
| 05:48.28 | Brandon | i also have ubuntu on my OS so maybe i can try to get ubuntu |
| 05:48.44 | Brandon | should i add a line in my menu.lst for ubuntu? |
| 05:48.51 | Brandon | 12songs92 |
| 05:48.59 | IamSOG | what are you trying to do Brandon ? |
| 05:49.01 | zinx | sorry, this is #debian |
| 05:49.25 | Brandon | i am trying to get my windows to work on debian |
| 05:49.35 | IamSOG | windows? |
| 05:49.38 | Brandon | yes |
| 05:49.55 | IamSOG | Microsoft Window ? |
| 05:49.57 | Brandon | i tryed editing my menu.lst but i still can't get windows to work |
| 05:50.28 | IamSOG | Did you install window first or Debain first ? |
| 05:50.34 | Brandon | windows |
| 05:50.41 | Brandon | then debian |
| 05:51.08 | IamSOG | Did you partition correctly? |
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| 05:51.14 | Brandon | i am not sure |
| 05:51.18 | Brandon | i guess guessed |
| 05:51.21 | Brandon | :s |
| 05:51.29 | IamSOG | :o |
| 05:51.29 | Brandon | i still have windows on there i think |
| 05:51.38 | Brandon | i just guessed* |
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| 05:51.59 | IamSOG | what Error did you get ? still ERROR 12: Invalid device requested. ? |
| 05:52.15 | crazypenguin | I have a pdf file which can be open by adobe reader 9 in windows,but in linux adobe reader 8 can't without encryption,I was failed about it.Can anyone help me ? |
| 05:52.24 | Brandon | yes |
| 05:52.43 | zinx | crazypenguin: try evince, xpdf, or gv |
| 05:52.56 | askvictor | anyone else having problems with subversion? |
| 05:53.09 | IamSOG | can you post your /boot/grub/grub.conf or your /boot/grub/menu.lst file. and how are your hard drives and partitions setup? I am pretty sure you got the hda number wrong |
| 05:53.21 | crazypenguin | Error: Weird encryption info & Error: Incorrect password |
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| 05:53.39 | askvictor | Have there different debian machines where svn has broken |
| 05:53.58 | Brandon | grub.conf? |
| 05:54.28 | IamSOG | ya or menu.lst |
| 05:54.40 | Brandon | i don't have grub.conf |
| 05:54.46 | Brandon | only menu.lst |
| 05:55.14 | askvictor | s/there/three/ |
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| 05:55.28 | IamSOG | put it on debain paste Brandon we need to take a look at them |
| 05:56.15 | Brandon | what is the link for debain paste |
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| 05:56.38 | IamSOG | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 05:56.48 | nkuttler | Brandon: did you try to mount the windows partition yet? |
| 05:57.21 | unomystEz | hi, I'm a long-time FreeBSD user of 10 years, is there a quick intro or cheat sheet on debian somewhere? |
| 05:57.25 | Brandon | http://paste.debian.net/37658/ |
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| 05:57.48 | unomystEz | just need to know how to do basic sysadmin functions such as starting/stopping services, getting them to autostart, etc.. |
| 05:58.14 | nkuttler | unomystEz: /etc/init.d/foo, man update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 05:58.27 | unomystEz | i did `apt-get install openssl` and it seems sshd is already running after apt-get,, is that normal? |
| 05:58.34 | unomystEz | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 06:00.09 | nkuttler | unomystEz: sshd is included in the default install, openssl isn't need to run it |
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| 06:00.15 | nkuttler | unomystEz: well, the openssl package |
| 06:00.29 | unomystEz | hmm, i don't really like the idea of running commands to add/remove services. |
| 06:00.32 | unomystEz | is there a file i can edit? |
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| 06:00.40 | Brandon | nkuttler yes but it still wont work |
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| 06:01.22 | nkuttler | unomystEz: see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/ |
| 06:01.37 | unomystEz | ok |
| 06:01.37 | nkuttler | unomystEz: it's handled through symlinks in /etc/rcX.d |
| 06:01.42 | unomystEz | god |
| 06:01.50 | unomystEz | was hoping debian wasn't SysV style |
| 06:01.52 | unomystEz | anyway... |
| 06:01.59 | IamSOG | Brandon which partition did you install your window and debian ? |
| 06:02.05 | crazypenguin | can you give me your email address? and I can send my pdf file to you ,I wish you can help me to open it in linux |
| 06:02.56 | Brandon | IamSOG: I don't remimber. |
| 06:03.50 | IamSOG | Brandon it looks like you havr more than 6 partitions.... try to mount the window's partition and tell us which hda/partition it's on |
| 06:04.35 | Brandon | ? |
| 06:04.40 | Brandon | i don't know how to do that. |
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| 06:05.02 | IamSOG | but now you can boot your debian but not your window? |
| 06:05.23 | Brandon | yes. |
| 06:06.03 | IamSOG | see if you can find your window through Debian, because if your Debian is on hda0,0 you might have mistakenly deleted your window |
| 06:07.11 | unomystEz | how do you list the services in update-rc.d? |
| 06:08.22 | Brandon | so i need to install windows again. |
| 06:08.25 | streuner__ | !listvals update-rc.d |
| 06:08.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'update-rc.d' by value (15 of 18): bum ;; chkconfig ;; init.d ;; nodm ;; rc.d ;; rc.l ;; rcconf ;; red hat tools ;; run at startup ;; runlevel ;; services ;; sysv-rc ;; sysv-rc-conf ;; tp600 sound ;; update-rc.d. |
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| 06:08.33 | streuner__ | !rcconf |
| 06:08.33 | dpkg | i heard rcconf is a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 06:08.55 | streuner__ | unomystEz: try what the bot told you ^^^^ |
| 06:08.57 | Brandon | how do find my windows threw debain? |
| 06:09.00 | Brandon | debian* |
| 06:09.29 | unomystEz | thanks |
| 06:09.31 | dhendrix | quick n00b question -- what's the command to remove packages that are no longer needed? |
| 06:09.51 | dhendrix | does apt-get autoclean do that, or is there something else I should be looking at? |
| 06:09.59 | streuner__ | dhendrix: /msg dpkg debor |
| 06:10.03 | streuner__ | dhendrix: /msg dpkg deborphan |
| 06:10.06 | nkuttler | dhendrix: autoremove |
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| 06:10.09 | zinx | autoclean clears out old downloads |
| 06:10.14 | zinx | that are no longer installed |
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| 06:10.15 | IamSOG | actually Brandon I am pretty sure you deleted your window by mistake... if you installed window first, but now Debian is on hda0,0 that's on the first partition |
| 06:10.16 | nkuttler | dhendrix: man apt-get helps too |
| 06:10.35 | dhendrix | streuner__: ah, I think deborphan is exactly what I'm looking for. thanks! |
| 06:10.36 | zinx | aptitude will automatically remove packages that are no longer needed, if you're using it |
| 06:10.39 | zinx | no interaction needed |
| 06:10.55 | zinx | not sure if apt-get / synaptic have that capability yet, as i don't use them |
| 06:11.12 | unomystEz | wow |
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| 06:11.32 | unomystEz | so i run apt-get remove postgresql and it starts postgresql. then i run apt-get remove postgresql again and it says it's not installed |
| 06:11.35 | unomystEz | brilliant |
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| 06:12.58 | zinx | unomystEz: somehow, i think you may be mistaking what it did when you removed it |
| 06:13.39 | unomystEz | anyway.. |
| 06:13.50 | IamSOG | Brandon I am pretty sure you deleted your window by mistake... if you installed window first, but now Debian is on hda0,0 that's on the first partition |
| 06:14.55 | Brandon | damn |
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| 06:15.26 | IamSOG | Brandon because most of the time window is on hda0,0 but now your debian is also on hda0,0 |
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| 06:17.31 | anddam | hi |
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| 06:18.24 | anddam | I'm running lenny on a x86 box and I need to run Simulink on the box, is there a emulation/virtualization app I can use easily and if so does it take lot of ram? |
| 06:18.50 | anddam | otherwise I'm just gonna wipe lenny and install a winbooze version for a while |
| 06:20.16 | unomystEz | hmm, debian is pretty nice I must say |
| 06:20.29 | unomystEz | only negative I see is the Sys V init |
| 06:21.05 | octane_ | anddam: Simulink is available for Linux, what would you nee that virtualization for? |
| 06:21.13 | anddam | octane_: you kidding me? |
| 06:21.20 | Jewfro-Macabbi | andam, virtualbox - to virtualize the whole windows - try wine for just the app |
| 06:21.20 | streuner__ | unomystEz: what do/did you use before? |
| 06:21.25 | anddam | oh the Mathworks release |
| 06:21.25 | unomystEz | streuner__: FreeBSD |
| 06:21.32 | streuner__ | omg |
| 06:22.08 | anddam | octane_: my bad, I need to perform a couple simulation but the university only has an old student version for win |
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| 06:22.58 | anddam | octane_: btw Matlab's X11 interface is one of the crappiest app ever, I tried it on my mac and it was insane so I tought devoting the old x86 box to it |
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| 06:23.11 | octane_ | anddam: well you didn't mention which release you were using the first time. jewfro has the correct advice in that case. |
| 06:23.12 | anddam | octane_: I wish there was a simulink equivalent for octave |
| 06:23.46 | anddam | octane_: it could be a 6.x or even a 5.x |
| 06:23.59 | octane_ | anddam: efen if it did have a proper x11 ui; almost any x11 app on mac feels... strange to say the least |
| 06:24.07 | octane_ | even even |
| 06:24.10 | anddam | Jewfro-Macabbi: it's an old x86 box |
| 06:24.16 | streuner | unomystEz: why do you change at all? |
| 06:24.33 | anddam | octane_: well I know :-) using gimp is like running on a planet with a different gravity |
| 06:24.42 | octane_ | anddam: true :) |
| 06:24.53 | anddam | to make it worse matlab is x11 _and_ java |
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| 06:25.43 | octane_ | anddam: :) |
| 06:25.47 | anddam | Jewfro-Macabbi: sorry, I meant: it's an old x86 box, which solution would you suggest, i.e. which one has the smallest memory footprint? |
| 06:26.43 | Jewfro-Macabbi | anddam, wine would be much lower footprint - If it works. Not sure how well virtualbox works on older systems. |
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| 06:28.38 | Jewfro-Macabbi | anddam, wine is just a compatability layer - intercepts the call for win components and re-directs to open source equivalents. Virtualbox is essentially running the whole windows as an application on top of your existing OS. |
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| 06:29.35 | anddam | Jewfro-Macabbi: I know what they are but I actually never used those before, I just needed an advice |
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| 06:30.06 | Jewfro-Macabbi | anddam, gotcha. Well - wine usually requires fiddling, but when it works it's great |
| 06:30.08 | anddam | Jewfro-Macabbi: worst way would be wiping lenny and putting an NT on, this would take some time too. |
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| 06:30.59 | anddam | Jewfro-Macabbi: is wine pissing for the install? I mean I remember wine could run installed app but I still don't have installed matlab |
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| 06:34.03 | Jewfro-Macabbi | anddam, I think the newer wine versions can detect/autorun a cd |
| 06:34.17 | Jewfro-Macabbi | if not you can manually run it via: wine app.exe |
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| 06:37.29 | owen1 | i want to let someone ssh to my machine, but limit him - can't do super user stuff and can't view/edit files i don't want him to. is it possible? i a script for setting up chroot jail but not sure what it actually does - http://www.fuschlberger.net/programs/ssh-scp-sftp-chroot-jail/ |
| 06:37.45 | owen1 | i found i script.. |
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| 06:40.19 | nirupama | avu, hi |
| 06:40.30 | nirupama | avu, that partition got mounted |
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| 06:41.39 | nirupama | avu, but when I took another free space and alloted ext3.The fdisk -l shows that partition is exiting but mount option is showing device does not exist |
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| 06:45.12 | nirupama | what does special device /dev/sda8 does not exit mean even if the partition is created |
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| 06:54.02 | streuner | nirupama: show us the output of "fdisk -l" in paste.debian.net |
| 06:54.04 | streuner | please |
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| 07:01.14 | nirupama | streuner, its mounting now |
| 07:01.23 | streuner | ok |
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| 07:03.35 | Frankie4 | how can i find which directories contain mp3 files on my comp? |
| 07:03.52 | streuner | find? |
| 07:04.29 | Frankie4 | yep, but i cant figure out howto get the directories .. when i use it, i get files and directories .. and its like a big list |
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| 07:05.26 | octane_ | Frankie4: -type f & dirname? |
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| 07:06.49 | Frankie4 | octane_: lemme try |
| 07:07.14 | Frankie4 | this just teaches me to be more organised where i put mp3 |
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| 07:10.01 | hoohaah | locate would be faster |
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| 07:10.30 | ootput | hoohaah: only if db is recent enough, and covers path/to/mp3 |
| 07:11.00 | omid8bimo | hi, when i try to boot and install from pxe/tftp, there is a file called mini.iso |
| 07:11.05 | omid8bimo | how can i use it? |
| 07:11.22 | hoohaah | omid8bimo: nfsmount |
| 07:11.25 | omid8bimo | can i boot from it instead if selecting a mirror after image/kernel boot? |
| 07:11.35 | hoohaah | boot? |
| 07:11.45 | omid8bimo | hoohaah: what it the syntax? can u say please? |
| 07:11.55 | hoohaah | i can |
| 07:12.00 | Frankie4 | hoohaah: well, i did locate first, but it gives a bunch of files. i just want the directories, so i can back them up |
| 07:12.10 | omid8bimo | i do boot from initrd and vmlinuz files |
| 07:12.16 | Frankie4 | hoohaah: what i am looking for is making find to print directories and not files, i guess |
| 07:12.21 | hoohaah | Frankie4: you can use basename there |
| 07:12.27 | omid8bimo | then at installation stage it asks for http mirror |
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| 07:12.34 | Frankie4 | hoohaah: what's basename? |
| 07:12.42 | omid8bimo | but if there is a mini iso i want to use that |
| 07:12.50 | hoohaah | Frankie4: wait, i thought you only wanted mp3 files, and not paths |
| 07:13.04 | hoohaah | oh, i misread earlier |
| 07:13.04 | Frankie4 | hoohaah: i want the directories that contain mp3 files :) |
| 07:14.07 | ootput | Frankie4: tab-completing your nick is a chore. $(dirname "${FILE}") |
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| 07:14.37 | ootput | i'm guessing you want to set a var for dir containing mp3 |
| 07:14.57 | ootput | ignore the {} unless you wanted to do some parameter expansion |
| 07:15.03 | Frankie4 | ok |
| 07:15.40 | hoohaah | Frankie4: yeah, change your nick to something more unique plz :) |
| 07:15.54 | Frankie4 | meh. its difficult with 884 nicks :p |
| 07:16.10 | BorisTheBlade | see? all the good ones are taken. |
| 07:16.12 | hoohaah | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:16.26 | omid8bimo | hoohaah: what can i do? |
| 07:16.28 | BorisTheBlade | ok. original, i guess |
| 07:16.38 | omid8bimo | hoohaah: what do u mean by nfsmount? |
| 07:16.38 | knarf | even this is regged! |
| 07:17.13 | ComradeHaz | [04:45:03] <JNSamuel> i haz archive <--- You 'haz' stupid. Learn to spell, muppet. |
| 07:17.16 | hoohaah | aren't nicks on freenode case sensitive? |
| 07:17.36 | ComradeHaz | nicks on IRC in general are. |
| 07:17.44 | narf007 | case sensitive? no, i dont think so. |
| 07:17.49 | ComradeHaz | o.O |
| 07:17.57 | hoohaah | spelling isn't the only issue ;) |
| 07:18.07 | narf007 | you mean, i can change to comradehaz, and there wont be any probs? |
| 07:18.14 | ComradeHaz | I think so. |
| 07:18.18 | narf007 | no |
| 07:18.28 | narf007 | that would be incredibly stupid |
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| 07:19.17 | ComradeHaz | OK, correct :) |
| 07:19.22 | ComradeHaz | My bad, sorry |
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| 07:19.52 | andash | comrade haz archive |
| 07:19.53 | hoohaah | this is all offtopic btw :) |
| 07:20.12 | hoohaah | when in doubt, use silly l33tsp33k |
| 07:20.13 | ComradeHaz | andash: ? |
| 07:20.17 | hoohaah | *sp34k |
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| 07:21.09 | andash | ComradeHaz: i thought it was funny you made a remark on someone using the word 'haz' when you haz it in your name, that's all |
| 07:21.28 | ComradeHaz | that is why I placed it in inverted commas |
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| 07:21.59 | ComradeHaz | it was used to assist with the point. |
| 07:22.04 | andash | thank you for that |
| 07:22.16 | ComradeHaz | No problem, any time. ;) |
| 07:22.23 | Coke | Just did apt-get install python after an update and get this: http://pastebin.ca/1443262 |
| 07:22.45 | Coke | Is it easy to fix? |
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| 07:22.47 | hoohaah | and the battle of the grammatically-challenged rages on |
| 07:22.53 | ComradeHaz | wonders why people still use apt-get |
| 07:23.10 | Coke | I sort of NEEED Python to work on my server and this is the last Debian box in the lot. |
| 07:23.31 | hoohaah | how do you 'sort of' 'need' something |
| 07:23.32 | ComradeHaz | Coke: I trust you updated before you installed? |
| 07:23.42 | Coke | ComradeHaz: with apt-get update? yes. |
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| 07:23.56 | ComradeHaz | Maybe try aptitude instead |
| 07:23.59 | Coke | hoohaah: it's a type of american saying |
| 07:24.04 | ComradeHaz | Probably will do the same though |
| 07:24.08 | Coke | ComradeHaz: apt-get is deprecated? known to not work anymore? |
| 07:24.16 | hoohaah | yeah, I'm American, and that boggles me |
| 07:24.20 | ComradeHaz | nah, but aptitiude is better. |
| 07:24.25 | ComradeHaz | (for most things) |
| 07:24.27 | hoohaah | I absolutely must have that woman, maybe |
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| 07:24.33 | Coke | I haven't been using Debian for, I dunno, a year. |
| 07:24.33 | ComradeHaz | :DDDD |
| 07:24.42 | ComradeHaz | hoohaah :D Awesome. |
| 07:24.52 | Coke | So I'm not familiar with the latest updates. |
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| 07:25.03 | hoohaah | heh |
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| 07:25.11 | dupondje | Is there somebody here that can accept packages from Mentor into sid ? |
| 07:25.18 | ComradeHaz | hmm, time for last minute sql revision |
| 07:25.22 | Coke | Ok, no takers on the, as usual, broken Pycentral crap? |
| 07:25.24 | ComradeHaz | exam in an hour :( |
| 07:25.53 | ComradeHaz | Someone'll help, Coke, just be patient :) |
| 07:26.00 | Coke | Can I force a package to install even though it's "hooks" to pycentral breaks? |
| 07:26.45 | hoohaah | force a reinstall of python, maybe? |
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| 07:27.02 | hoohaah | don't really know your working environment to consult bugs for you |
| 07:27.28 | ComradeHaz | hmm, Coke, you don't have splashy installed, do you? |
| 07:27.37 | Coke | hoohaah: it's Debian testing |
| 07:27.44 | JNSamuel | [08:16:56] <ComradeHaz> [04:45:03] <JNSamuel> i haz archive <--- You 'haz' stupid. Learn to spell, muppet. |
| 07:27.49 | JNSamuel | rollover, and jump in a fire. |
| 07:27.52 | streuner | Coke: show us the output when you try to install that package in paste.debian.net and your sources.list, please |
| 07:28.05 | ComradeHaz | hehe, JNSamuel :D |
| 07:28.48 | Coke | http://paste.debian.net/37659/ |
| 07:29.25 | Coke | added sources as comment |
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| 07:29.50 | Zoup | i need pxe netboot to mount some remote ISO image on /cdrom, any idea? |
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| 07:30.22 | Coke | Hm. comments didn't take newlines. |
| 07:32.16 | dupondje | Is there somebody here that can accept packages from Mentor into sid ? |
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| 07:32.36 | Coke | streuner: any idea? |
| 07:33.24 | bzed | dupondje: #debian-mentors is the better place to ask |
| 07:33.35 | Coke | Can I make apt ignore fails in post process? |
| 07:33.54 | streuner | no |
| 07:34.04 | streuner | Coke: what kind of package do you try to install? |
| 07:34.09 | Coke | python |
| 07:34.17 | dupondje | bzed: that channel doesn't exist ? |
| 07:34.17 | Coke | upgrade from 2.5 to 2.6 |
| 07:34.21 | Coke | I haven't touched this box for a while |
| 07:34.30 | streuner | judd, versions python |
| 07:34.31 | judd | streuner: python -- etch: 2.4.4-2 lenny: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.4-2 squeeze: 2.5.4-2 experimental: 2.5.4-3 |
| 07:34.44 | Coke | I'm on "testing" |
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| 07:35.18 | bzed | Coke: you should write a bug report. seems the reportbug package is buggy |
| 07:35.50 | valdyn | debian has no python 2.6 |
| 07:35.55 | valdyn | stupid to "upgrade" |
| 07:36.01 | bzed | Coke: in the meantime try to remove reportbug, that should allow you to update again. although I have no clue why you run into this now, the transition to 2.5 is done since a long tim |
| 07:36.10 | Coke | valdyn: it's ok, I'll upgrade debian soon enough |
| 07:36.42 | bzed | Coke: did you probably install somenon-debian packages? |
| 07:36.47 | Coke | bzed: because this is the last Debian box here, haven't touched it for a while. |
| 07:36.55 | Coke | It's a "don't touch the sleeping bear" scenario |
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| 07:37.04 | streuner | Coke: why 2.6? |
| 07:37.14 | Coke | actually, I did apt-get install python |
| 07:37.15 | valdyn | its a dont install non-debian packages in debian scenario |
| 07:37.17 | streuner | Coke: look what valdyn told you.... |
| 07:37.27 | Coke | I just pressumed it was 2.6 since I saw python2.6 packages in the python search |
| 07:37.35 | Coke | valdyn: I have no non-debs here |
| 07:37.41 | Coke | aside from one or two things installed from source |
| 07:37.53 | valdyn | Coke: if you want python 2.6 then you need to install it elsewhere, not as debian packages, not in /usr |
| 07:37.58 | Coke | but yeah, that rigid aproach is one of the reasons this server will be going down permanently in a few weeks |
| 07:38.06 | Coke | valdyn: I don't want/need it |
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| 07:38.09 | valdyn | Coke: a .deb suffix does not make it a debian package |
| 07:38.15 | Coke | I don't care if it's 2.5 or 2.6, I just did apt-get install python |
| 07:38.27 | Coke | valdyn: I have only used official packages |
| 07:38.34 | valdyn | Coke: so you have non-debian sources in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 07:38.38 | Coke | aside from one or two from sources |
| 07:38.42 | Coke | valdyn: NO |
| 07:38.44 | streuner | Coke: did you look at BTW (python) yet? |
| 07:38.45 | valdyn | Coke: bullshit, debian has no python 2.6 |
| 07:38.53 | Coke | valdyn: are you fucking blind? |
| 07:38.55 | Coke | I don't have 2.6 |
| 07:39.00 | Coke | I THOUGHT it was 2.6 since it's the latest |
| 07:39.03 | Coke | and I'm on testing. |
| 07:39.10 | Coke | I didn't look at the version, YES, I see now that it's 2.5 |
| 07:39.13 | streuner | he surely saw some python in some other packages with 2.6 ... |
| 07:39.18 | Coke | YES |
| 07:39.34 | valdyn | Coke: i see |
| 07:39.34 | Coke | Actually, you know what, I'm just gonna download Python from python.org and build from sources. |
| 07:39.52 | streuner | thats not a good idea |
| 07:39.54 | valdyn | Coke: you need to upgrade the system properly |
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| 07:40.08 | Coke | The rest of our devel environment works fine built of just source |
| 07:40.33 | bzed | Coke: building python from source will not help you. |
| 07:40.41 | Coke | streuner: adding pycentral to the mix isn't a good idea either, but here we are |
| 07:40.53 | Coke | bzed: it will, the correct version will be installed. |
| 07:41.01 | bzed | Coke: no. |
| 07:41.12 | Coke | Indeed, the install target in the makefile will make it happen |
| 07:41.17 | bzed | Coke: no |
| 07:41.27 | bzed | Coke: you have a dependency problem here. |
| 07:41.32 | Coke | Nope. |
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| 07:41.37 | valdyn | Coke: maybe you can just remove python-reportbug |
| 07:41.48 | bzed | Coke: that will not be solved by installing python with a makefile. |
| 07:41.57 | Coke | bzed: I'm not trying to solve Debian problems |
| 07:41.59 | bzed | Coke: that will help you not all all. |
| 07:42.12 | Coke | I'm trying to solve real world work problems: i.e, get any python > 2.4 in there so I get hashlib |
| 07:42.15 | valdyn | Coke: you are free to work around package management |
| 07:42.27 | valdyn | Coke: that wont make life easier though |
| 07:42.31 | bzed | Coke: apt-get dist-upgrade is probably what you want |
| 07:42.43 | bzed | Coke: and remove reportbug as I mentioned before. |
| 07:43.03 | valdyn | guess its "python-reportbug" |
| 07:43.11 | Coke | valdyn: no. once we make the migration to the new network everything will be running on arch |
| 07:43.20 | bzed | valdyn: stop guessing. |
| 07:43.27 | Coke | valdyn: I'm not sure, it's so long since I did anything on this server |
| 07:43.36 | valdyn | bzed: uh? its a correct guess |
| 07:43.48 | Coke | It's only used for running remote Python applications and some NFS shares. |
| 07:43.52 | Coke | that's it. |
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| 07:44.09 | bzed | valdyn: go and look on the error Coke pasted. |
| 07:44.11 | Coke | But it's in production so I can't make any big operations on it |
| 07:44.21 | valdyn | bzed: pycentral does not know debian package management |
| 07:44.33 | bzed | valdyn: you have no clue. |
| 07:44.38 | Coke | Guys! Thanks for your help, don't strain yourself, I'm like 1 minute away from solving this temporarily, which is all I need. |
| 07:44.56 | Coke | valdyn: pycentral is the biggest piece of shite every to have come into debian |
| 07:45.10 | Coke | I've spotted 3-4 bugs in it and reported them without success, I've also opted to get rid of it completely |
| 07:45.12 | streuner | hehe |
| 07:45.26 | bzed | Coke: you can't get ri of it unfortunately |
| 07:45.27 | Coke | I've also reported a bug because Python libraries are installed over 15-20 directories, whereas they should only recide in ONE |
| 07:45.32 | valdyn | Coke: probably, i havent had a problem though |
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| 07:45.32 | Coke | bzed: yes you can |
| 07:45.41 | Coke | debian -> arch, which is what I've done for all Python-based environments |
| 07:45.43 | bzed | Coke: the best option is to convince package maintainers to move to python-support. |
| 07:45.53 | bzed | Coke: no, you can't. |
| 07:46.15 | Coke | bzed: the maintainers of the packages are quite convinced that those MASSIVE hook scripts and dozen of directory destinations are necessary to run a Python environment with multiple versions |
| 07:46.18 | streuner | the best option is, to read <sid faq>, IMO :-) |
| 07:46.41 | Coke | I have at least 6 Python versions of which 3 or our own inhouse modifications, it all works PERFECTLY with just ONE target per version and without pycentral |
| 07:46.46 | bzed | Coke: yes, it is |
| 07:46.49 | streuner | if you running testing/unstable you should know what you are doing |
| 07:46.50 | Coke | it isn't. |
| 07:47.01 | Coke | streuner: the maintainers don't know python well enough |
| 07:47.17 | Coke | In any case, _thanks_ |
| 07:47.27 | bzed | Coke: there is no other way for that except you want to rebuild all packages for all python versions whenever there is a new python version |
| 07:47.35 | Coke | bzed: not true at all |
| 07:47.47 | Coke | bzed: what you just stated has nothing to do with how debian policy is on python |
| 07:47.56 | streuner | hm, Coke, feel free to send patches |
| 07:47.59 | Coke | But I've already been over this with the maintainers on multiple occations |
| 07:48.03 | Coke | streuner: already did, refused |
| 07:48.21 | Coke | or rather, I would have had to send it upstream |
| 07:48.31 | bzed | Coke: you obviously have no idea |
| 07:48.35 | Coke | bzed: ok, right. |
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| 07:48.50 | bzed | Coke: how should it be done thenin your opinion? |
| 07:49.00 | Coke | bzed: Debian = does not work well with our 6 versions of Python, Archlinux which basically just untars Python into a directory works wonderfully, so thanks for your insight |
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| 07:49.24 | valdyn | i dont need a distro to just untar |
| 07:49.59 | bzed | Coke: that means that contents of packages are not rebuild when you install a new python version |
| 07:50.22 | Coke | bzed: one target directory per version of Python as UPSTREAM intended it, as it was for 10 years before pycentral, as it is on every dist that does not employ HUGE hacks to automate (I have no idea what) something |
| 07:50.38 | windtunnel__ | is "lenny" synonymous with "stable" right now? |
| 07:50.45 | bzed | windtunnel__: yes |
| 07:50.47 | Coke | bzed: the end user shouldn't have to rebuild anything and doesn't have to |
| 07:51.29 | bzed | Coke: you can't install one module package and hope that it will magically find all python versions and keep up with them if you install a new python versions and remove an old one |
| 07:51.37 | windtunnel__ | i just added a testing line to my apt/sources.list and "lenny" to my apt.conf to keep the distribution stable |
| 07:51.41 | Coke | bzed: why should it find anything? |
| 07:51.50 | Coke | it should just install into the version directory it was originally designed for |
| 07:51.57 | windtunnel__ | but it just upgraded everything to squeeze |
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| 07:52.08 | Coke | if you have API incompatible packages, you have to have TWO packages |
| 07:52.10 | bzed | Coke: which means you have to rebuild all packages when you have a new python version? |
| 07:52.14 | Coke | bzed: NO |
| 07:52.16 | bzed | yes |
| 07:52.18 | Coke | wtf is up with this "rebuild"? |
| 07:52.19 | Coke | NO |
| 07:52.23 | Coke | I'm not rebuilding DICK in arch |
| 07:52.41 | Coke | No rebuilds, just installs. I run six friggin version of Python of which 3 are not even part of the dist |
| 07:52.45 | bzed | Coke: so how would you like to install a module in a way that it is available for all python versions? |
| 07:52.54 | Coke | bzed: I wouldn't. |
| 07:53.01 | Coke | disk space is CHEAP |
| 07:53.28 | bzed | Coke: thats a requirement if you want to be able to install python modules for several python versions |
| 07:53.39 | Coke | bzed: no |
| 07:53.42 | bzed | Coke: yes. |
| 07:53.47 | bzed | Coke: thats how distributions work |
| 07:53.48 | Coke | bzed: well, sure, but that's a retarded requirement |
| 07:53.50 | Coke | NO |
| 07:53.58 | Coke | bzed: are you insane? have you used any non-debian based dist lately? |
| 07:54.07 | bzed | yeah |
| 07:54.33 | bzed | and none of them is able to handle python stuff as sanely as debian |
| 07:54.34 | Coke | They DON'T employ huge, poorly constructed, way too complex hook scripts to do anything, they just unpack the files into /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages or to whatever version they belong |
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| 07:54.39 | Coke | bzed: right. yes |
| 07:54.51 | Coke | bzed: that's why I'm here now pasting errors while arch is doing great |
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| 07:54.55 | bzed | Coke: yeah, they all support only one python version at a time. uselrdd. |
| 07:55.04 | Coke | And that's also why I have replaced all but this one box from deb to arch |
| 07:55.09 | Coke | bzed: naw |
| 07:55.21 | Coke | bzed: like I said, I have multiple versions. |
| 07:55.23 | hoohaah | which font packages in debian allow japanese font display in firefox? |
| 07:55.42 | hoohaah | sans/sans-serif aren't displaying these |
| 07:55.47 | Coke | automation to that extent sucks arse, period. I don't like it and if arch starts doing it I'll switch to gentoo and watch terminal output all day |
| 07:55.48 | bzed | Coke: I have no clue why you run into this error at all, I have those packages installed since years and upgrade every few days |
| 07:55.59 | Coke | bzed: "works here works here" doesn't work in real life |
| 07:56.33 | bzed | Coke: I'm not sure what you did to the machine that it doesn't work, but you're the only one with that problem |
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| 07:56.42 | Coke | The GNU world has lost touch with it's simplistic ancestral thinking. |
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| 07:57.11 | tuv | user friendly != simple |
| 07:57.33 | Coke | bzed: that's like a doctor telling a guy "hey, you're dying, but on the upside it's the first time I've ever seen anything like this" |
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| 07:57.48 | bzed | Coke: I told you already what to do |
| 07:58.29 | Coke | bzed: and I already have a better solution, I'm now running a source version of Python |
| 07:58.33 | Coke | muhahahahaha! |
| 07:58.49 | bzed | Coke: that won't help you if you ever want to update the system again |
| 07:58.57 | Coke | and once the new environment is complete I'll have no more Python problems |
| 07:59.04 | DimmuR | i'm moving dhcp server from redhat system to debian - and i want to preserve current configuration - is it enough to copy /etc/dhcpd.conf and restart service or do i need to copy something more? |
| 07:59.15 | Coke | bzed: I've moved from Debian mostly because the packaging is way too complex |
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| 07:59.40 | bzed | Coke: actually especially the python modules packaging is anything but complex |
| 07:59.47 | Coke | bzed: more complex than arch |
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| 08:00.08 | Coke | And since NO complexity is needed at all, any complexity added is too much |
| 08:00.12 | bzed | Coke: thats more complicated in every other distribution, well probably except arch. untarring stuff and never cleaning it up is not the debian way |
| 08:00.23 | Coke | my personal oppinion. you may think different, so go ahead and stick with Debian |
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| 08:00.57 | Coke | bzed: no the debian way is to install 30 megs worth of buggy script hacks that automate things that are SOOOO easy to do manually that a human does it not only with better precision, but CORRECTLY |
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| 08:01.21 | Coke | streuner: thanks, as usual you've been a doll! :) |
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| 08:02.14 | bzed | Coke: but users expect that they do not have to do things manually. If I install python2.4 and python-foo, I expect that python-foo works with 2.5 as soon as I install 2.5 |
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| 08:02.33 | Coke | bzed: Debian is officially now in the same league as suse, fedora and ubuntu |
| 08:02.36 | bzed | Coke: and that I do not have to do any manual stuff |
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| 08:02.55 | Coke | bzed: thank god there are many distros so users with different needs can choose, right? |
| 08:03.06 | bzed | Coke: right. nobody forces you to run debian |
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| 08:03.18 | Coke | bzed: legacy from the time when Debian was small and simplistic |
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| 08:03.31 | Coke | (used it since 1997) |
| 08:03.41 | Coke | or maybe 99 |
| 08:03.42 | bzed | Coke: module handling in debian was insane before. there was one package per python versions |
| 08:03.51 | Coke | bzed: whatever |
| 08:03.56 | Coke | bzed: use your broken arse scripts |
| 08:04.00 | crunchbang | hello anyone know a good command line irc for debian |
| 08:04.01 | Coke | I'll just get a working system |
| 08:04.09 | avtobiff | crunchbang, irssi |
| 08:04.09 | Coke | crunchbang: irssi |
| 08:04.27 | Coke | crunchbang: I guess some people prefer xchat for X |
| 08:04.36 | Coke | byesies |
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| 08:05.42 | crunchbang | apt-get install irssi ? |
| 08:05.56 | avtobiff | crunchbang, yes |
| 08:06.03 | avtobiff | crunchbang, check out the apt-howto |
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| 08:06.31 | avtobiff | crunchbang, do you use the crunchbang distro? even if it is debian derived, it is not debian. |
| 08:06.32 | crunchbang | how do i run it from the shell |
| 08:06.40 | avtobiff | crunchbang, irssi? |
| 08:06.44 | avtobiff | crunchbang, you type irssi |
| 08:06.47 | saTTY | my X looks buggy |
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| 08:06.59 | crunchbang | yes |
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| 08:07.07 | saTTY | it let me login but not logout |
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| 08:08.20 | crunchbang | avtobiff i do sudo apt-get install irssi and it doesnt display anything |
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| 08:09.16 | avtobiff | crunchbang, do you use debian? |
| 08:09.47 | crunchbang | yes what im on now is my second computer running live cd my debian is command only no gui yet |
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| 08:10.47 | EmleyMoor | "doesn't display anything"? You mean the prompt just comes back? |
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| 08:11.11 | Manu311 | hi there, I've got a problem with my webcam (sqcam). While gqcam is able to show it correctly (thanks to "RGB -> BGR Conversion" option), I'm unnable to change the values in skype and cheese(and others). |
| 08:11.13 | crunchbang | yes |
| 08:11.38 | crunchbang | i loged onto the root account and did apt-get install irssi |
| 08:11.40 | vmdebby | hi guys, i have just installed vmware workstation 6.5.1 on my debian box, but even though the modules for it compile, virtual ethernet fails to start |
| 08:11.50 | crunchbang | and it said it couldnt find the package |
| 08:11.52 | vmdebby | can somebody help me? thanks in advance |
| 08:12.10 | EmleyMoor | crunchbang: That's hardly "doesn't display anything". |
| 08:12.19 | Manu311 | vmdebby: kernel version? |
| 08:12.20 | avtobiff | crunchbang, what does your /etc/apt/sources.list say? |
| 08:12.37 | vmdebby | EmleyMoor: Linux debian 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 08:13.01 | vmdebby | i am using debian squeeze; it is the first time ever i have problems with vmware using debian as the host |
| 08:13.04 | EmleyMoor | presumes that was for Manu311 |
| 08:13.09 | crunchbang | it should have stuff in it right? |
| 08:13.13 | vmdebby | oh yeah sorry :) |
| 08:13.14 | EmleyMoor | crunchbang: Yes |
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| 08:13.18 | vmdebby | Manu311: :) |
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| 08:13.48 | Manu311 | you have the problem while installing? |
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| 08:13.57 | vmdebby | no, no problems |
| 08:14.08 | Manu311 | just no network? |
| 08:14.14 | vmdebby | yes |
| 08:14.22 | Manu311 | then I have no idea ^^ |
| 08:14.38 | vmdebby | i went to /usr/lib/vmware/modules, moved binary to binary.bak and run vmware |
| 08:14.42 | vmdebby | the modules recompiled just fine |
| 08:14.54 | vmdebby | i see |
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| 08:15.16 | vmdebby | well if somebody can help out or point me to where i can ask for more help... |
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| 08:15.58 | crunchbang | ok got it . it has the cdrom and it has two links one http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main and deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile main |
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| 08:16.29 | badserii | Hi! is there a good soft for streaming from webcam to web, but in video format, not jpeg ? |
| 08:16.58 | CCoolty | yes. stickam. |
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| 08:17.06 | EmleyMoor | crunchbang: It needs a line for the main archivo too |
| 08:17.10 | EmleyMoor | archive |
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| 08:17.23 | badserii | CCoolty: thanks! |
| 08:17.31 | crunchbang | any chance you could post that |
| 08:18.42 | avtobiff | crunchbang, deb http:/ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 08:19.02 | crunchbang | and do i put the same for the deb-src line? |
| 08:19.02 | EmleyMoor | Use nz insteal of uk if you are in nz |
| 08:19.03 | avtobiff | crunchbang, take a read of the apt-howto :) |
| 08:19.20 | avtobiff | crunchbang, deb-src is for source (code) packages, you probably won't need that |
| 08:19.23 | avtobiff | crunchbang, but yes |
| 08:19.35 | crunchbang | EmleyMoor is that a good guess or what |
| 08:19.47 | crunchbang | lol anyone here got the nz link |
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| 08:20.04 | EmleyMoor | crunchbang: I /whoised you. |
| 08:20.13 | crunchbang | o ok |
| 08:20.15 | EmleyMoor | Same as uk but put nz instead |
| 08:20.20 | crunchbang | w8 a sec |
| 08:20.46 | jony123 | ok |
| 08:20.55 | EmleyMoor | deb http:/ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ etch main (if it is etch you are on still) |
| 08:21.13 | jony123 | etch and a half |
| 08:21.36 | EmleyMoor | Likewise |
| 08:22.19 | avtobiff | jony123, that should be http:// instead of http:/ though. |
| 08:22.34 | EmleyMoor | Ah, yes - missed that |
| 08:22.38 | jony123 | yea picked that up |
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| 08:24.29 | marcin_ | Hi, can someone help me with ocfs2 on Debian? |
| 08:24.36 | jony123 | ohh anyone know how to save files on nano |
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| 08:26.13 | hphubert | hi |
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| 08:26.53 | hphubert | i' ve got a small problem. who can help me? |
| 08:27.09 | EmleyMoor | Depends on what your problem is |
| 08:27.10 | vmdebby | hphubert: ask the problem, perhaps somebody will |
| 08:27.19 | SlayerXP | hphubert: sorry, our mind readers are on holiday. |
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| 08:27.27 | hphubert | ok, moment |
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| 08:31.04 | hphubert | it 's a par of my visudo hubert ALL(ALL) NOEXEC: /etc/sudoers |
| 08:31.19 | hphubert | but hubert can' t use a sudo, why? |
| 08:31.41 | beardy | He hasn't been a nice boy? |
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| 08:32.09 | caraconan | Hi. I'm wondering if the ethernet device of an old laptop is not working. On the BIOS I don't see anything talking about enable/disable the device (then I presume is enabled). Running knoppix the eth0 device appears, but physsicaly the led does'nt brights. And I can't configure with ifconfig and route add. Another way to determine if the hardware NIC is damaged? |
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| 08:32.38 | avtobiff | hphubert, do you want user hubert to be able to run programs as root with sudo? |
| 08:32.40 | hphubert | what can i type there? |
| 08:32.43 | hphubert | ok |
| 08:32.51 | hphubert | yes |
| 08:33.27 | avtobiff | hphubert, then put hubert ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 08:33.32 | avtobiff | hphubert, man sudoers |
| 08:34.17 | hphubert | *marcin_* witam polaka, ale chcÄ mu wyÅÄ
czyÄ dostÄp do jednej komendy |
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| 08:34.49 | hphubert | albo kilku |
| 08:35.24 | marcin_ | hphubert: priv |
| 08:35.48 | hphubert | ok tylko jaka komenda? mam ircII? |
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| 08:36.36 | hphubert | moment, uzyje innego klienta |
| 08:36.39 | marcin_ | privmsg <user>, priv <user>? |
| 08:37.10 | hphubert | priv marcin_ |
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| 08:37.36 | beardy | It's usually /msg user, or /query user. Also please speak English in here. |
| 08:37.48 | beardy | .pl |
| 08:37.51 | beardy | !pl |
| 08:37.51 | dpkg | polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
| 08:38.15 | jony123 | wahoo installing irssi |
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| 08:38.54 | jony123 | now do i run it by typing irssi |
| 08:38.59 | jony123 | got it |
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| 08:39.04 | simonrvn | hphubert: you do /msg marcin_ say something |
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| 08:44.56 | ingw3 | hello. if i want to send all logs and monitoring reports to my email - do i need to setup postfix? do i need relay server or i can send smtp without it? |
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| 08:46.19 | azeem_ | ingw3: are you on dialup? |
| 08:46.53 | ingw3 | azeem_: no |
| 08:47.04 | EmleyMoor | exim is a fine MTA for most uses |
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| 08:48.03 | azeem_ | ingw3: so you want to send mail only to one host? |
| 08:48.05 | Guerin | `~why exim4 |
| 08:48.09 | Guerin | !why exim4 |
| 08:48.09 | dpkg | Exim was chosen as the default MTA a long time ago: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1997/06/msg00476.html |
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| 08:48.17 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:48.31 | beardy | Mm yes. |
| 08:48.41 | beardy | One should not question the wisdom of 1997! |
| 08:48.45 | Guerin | there was an awesome peterS-ism justifying it |
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| 08:48.52 | beardy | Why did things evolve. |
| 08:49.13 | ingw3 | azeem_: yes to one host and later to email box outside |
| 08:49.13 | IamSOG | I guess things evolve for the better :o or worst |
| 08:49.25 | other | how come i am banned from debian on my nick jony123 |
| 08:49.32 | IamSOG | Man, I am still trying to get my sound card to work under lenny |
| 08:49.50 | jerryeguru | my kernel log keeps telling me the NIC card goes off and on, and since i am using this NIC as a gateway, i am also experiencing request timeouts. this my kern.log >> http://pastebin.com/d7daebe9a |
| 08:49.54 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:50.00 | Guerin | fails |
| 08:50.05 | beardy | :) |
| 08:50.14 | troubled | hands Guerin a coffee |
| 08:50.17 | EmleyMoor | other: What message do you get exactly? |
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| 08:50.32 | Guerin | drinks more stout |
| 08:50.52 | octane_ | Guerin: drink more stdout :) |
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| 08:51.38 | cast | i'm more of an aptitude kind of guy, do i have an alternative to apt-get build-dep? [granted, not so much of an issue in recent versions of apt-get/aptitude as i understand they play together better now] |
| 08:52.06 | beardy | cast: I don't think so no, yet/at the moment. |
| 08:52.13 | other | well EmleyMoor it just says Cannot join to channel £debian (you are banned) [my key board wont let be type hash |
| 08:52.16 | cast | nods |
| 08:52.39 | EmleyMoor | other: Yet it lets you in if you chango nick? |
| 08:52.42 | EmleyMoor | change |
| 08:53.03 | other | this is on a entirely differnt computer |
| 08:53.35 | themill | other: were you ircing as root? |
| 08:54.31 | other | o i just installed and my sudo isn't working so i have to log onto root |
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| 08:55.05 | EmleyMoor | other: You should not IRC as root |
| 08:55.10 | Guerin | octane_: first stdin, then stdout |
| 08:55.13 | themill | That will be why then. You shouldn't irc as root and #debian (like many other channels on this network) will not let you join if you are obviously logged in as root |
| 08:55.21 | Guerin | octane_: doesn't pay to get them mixed up |
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| 08:55.36 | beardy | other: You don't have to irc as root. You don't have to login as root either. You use su, when you need to do something as root. Then exit the su, and go on as your normal user. |
| 08:55.38 | vmdebby | anyway, seems that i got my virtualization needs fixed with kvm |
| 08:55.41 | jonathon_ | cheers |
| 08:55.46 | vmdebby | bye bye vmware crap |
| 08:56.19 | other | thxs for that |
| 08:56.23 | simonrvn | other: no you don't have to irc as root. you can always start screen and su - youruser, for instance. |
| 08:56.42 | IamSOG | http://paste.debian.net/37667/ <--- um.. anyone know what happen to my sond card? it works In ETCH though, but not Lenny, I wonder why |
| 08:56.52 | simonrvn | or do what beardy said... depends on the circumstance |
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| 08:57.51 | jony123 | may i ask why it wont let be in when im logged as root? |
| 08:58.29 | themill | !root |
| 08:58.30 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 08:58.31 | beardy | jony123: Of course. IRC:ing as root is Bad. It's not allowed here because stupid things might happen then. And it teaches you not to irc as root, hopefully. |
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| 08:59.01 | anddam | bye |
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| 08:59.19 | cast | can't resist most of the irc world is ircing as root |
| 08:59.32 | cast | there were supposed to be more words in there, but oh well. |
| 08:59.36 | jony123 | yeh sweet i thought it would be something like that. I reacon it should say you are banned temporaly as you are logged on as root |
| 08:59.51 | jony123 | !root |
| 08:59.51 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 08:59.54 | beardy | It isn't temporarily though, so that would be wrong. |
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| 09:00.12 | sylar | what does the pc mean in dpkg --list? |
| 09:00.16 | jony123 | how about you will be banned while using root |
| 09:00.22 | EmleyMoor | The ban should be server side where the message can be varied |
| 09:00.46 | beardy | I've yet to see client side bans, but oh well. |
| 09:00.57 | octane_ | Guerin: too much input in stdin might yield in stderr ;) |
| 09:01.05 | azeem_ | sylar: the first few lines have an explanation would the letters mean |
| 09:01.06 | themill | A forward ban to #howstupidareyou would be appropriate... |
| 09:01.21 | beardy | Now now.. |
| 09:01.27 | beardy | But on second attempt. |
| 09:01.49 | sylar | azeem_, I dont understand the, |
| 09:01.51 | beardy | But I thought apt sent a message on root. |
| 09:02.38 | octane_ | beardy: that is referring to who sets/enforces them. |
| 09:02.42 | sylar | azeem_, Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 09:02.42 | sylar | | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
| 09:02.42 | sylar | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
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| 09:02.51 | EmleyMoor | beardy: As opposed to channel side |
| 09:02.58 | azeem_ | sylar: I know those lines |
| 09:02.58 | beardy | EmleyMoor: Oh.. |
| 09:03.16 | octane_ | or that way. |
| 09:03.20 | sylar | azeem_, so , pc is? purge and cfg files? |
| 09:03.26 | azeem_ | yes |
| 09:03.41 | sylar | how do I remove cfg files |
| 09:03.41 | EmleyMoor | You can be banned from a server with explanation. You cannot be banned from a channel with explanation if the ban is active |
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| 09:03.55 | sylar | I want a complete purge |
| 09:04.14 | azeem_ | sylar: try to purge it again with dpkg --purge <package> |
| 09:04.33 | sylar | azeem_, it didnt help |
| 09:06.20 | Aaz | hi guys! |
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| 09:09.47 | themill | beardy: but with the ban in place, none of the bots ever see that the person has tried to join as root so there's no message |
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| 09:10.13 | IamSOG | http://paste.debian.net/37667/ <--- um.. anyone know what happen to my sond card? it works In ETCH though, but not Lenny, I wonder why |
| 09:12.01 | cast | IamSOG: i tend to use alsaconf |
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| 09:21.32 | mischief | can anyone tell me why aptitude keeps telling me about a GPG error when i update? it says this: http://paste.debian.net/37675/ |
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| 09:22.29 | jony123 | is their a command line email client |
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| 09:22.58 | mischief | jony123, mutt |
| 09:23.05 | beardy | jony123: Yes, one of them is called mutt. And it is very likely you already have it installed. |
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| 09:23.38 | beardy | jony123: Also 'mail'. |
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| 09:23.52 | dubbaluga | hej! is it possible to use rsync so that it puts and gets differences in one run? synced directories are then equal on both machines |
| 09:23.58 | jony123 | thxs |
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| 09:29.22 | Zharf | wonders which package holds the gtk widget icons for glade |
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| 09:44.57 | IamSOG | http://paste.debian.net/37667/ <--- um.. anyone know what happen to my sond card? it works In ETCH though, but not Lenny, I wonder why |
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| 09:53.57 | nirupama | hi all |
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| 09:55.00 | nirupama | I have a doubt.Suppose i have a source which when i congiure used to give some disable /enable options.Now I want to build a deb package for the same configurations how to do or how to save the changes |
| 09:55.09 | nirupama | The source is debian source |
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| 09:55.50 | themill | dubbaluga: you can do rsync in two directions but unison is a better choice than that. bidi-rsync is a great way of losing files or changes |
| 09:56.18 | mischief | dpkg, checkinstall |
| 09:56.18 | dpkg | checkinstall is, like, a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because of bug #281823 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724 Ask me about <stow>. |
| 09:56.23 | mischief | nirupama, see the above |
| 09:56.42 | dubbaluga | themill: thx, i will give unison a try! |
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| 09:57.49 | Imran-UK | hi all, is there any reason why the nic name "eth-internal" would cause a problem? i have tow nic which i used udev rules to name "eth-internal" and "eth-heartbeat", the "eth-internal" interface is not brought up for some reason. it's detected and named but not brought up |
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| 09:58.22 | mjt | Imran-UK: no reason |
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| 09:58.45 | Imran-UK | i changed /etc/network/interfaces (and any services such as xen, also referencing ethe old name) |
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| 10:00.04 | Imran-UK | mjt, its strange. "eth-heartbeat" is brought up but not the other nic "eth-internal", i have to bring it up manually (ifconfig up ..) and add the default gateway manually |
| 10:00.43 | Imran-UK | if i use "normal" name such as eth0 then it is brought as normal |
| 10:01.04 | mjt | did you actually rename the interface? |
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| 10:01.18 | mjt | like with udev rules or somesuch |
| 10:01.20 | Imran-UK | mjt, using a udev rule |
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| 10:01.31 | mjt | so does `ifconfig -a' show it? |
| 10:01.35 | maxagaz_ | what does 'rc' and 'ii' mean before a package when running dpkg -l ? |
| 10:01.35 | Imran-UK | yep |
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| 10:01.51 | mjt | Imran-UK: so next, how about `ifup eth-internal' -- what does it say? |
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| 10:02.13 | mjt | maxagaz_: see the first line of that output with headerf |
| 10:02.15 | mjt | header even |
| 10:02.19 | themill | Imran-UK: do you have an "auto" line for the interface in /e/n/interfaces? |
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| 10:02.30 | nirupama | mischief, did u mean that will help me in building the deb package with necessary configurations |
| 10:02.36 | Imran-UK | mjt, not sure. i'm not actually infront of the machine here, sorry |
| 10:02.57 | maxagaz_ | mjt, ? |
| 10:03.04 | Imran-UK | mjt, i will note that and try it perhaps. its a shame as i'd like to sue descriptive if names |
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| 10:03.18 | mjt | Imran-UK: so check it out (maybe ifdown first) and fix anything if errors out. Also see themill's note |
| 10:03.29 | mjt | maxagaz_: what did you not understand? |
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| 10:03.58 | maxagaz_ | mjt, i'd like to understand those two abbreviations |
| 10:03.59 | Imran-UK | themill, i have allow-hotplug infront of both. the only thing i changes in /e/n/i is the if names. i tried "auto" instead of "allow-hotplug" too, same difference |
| 10:04.15 | maxagaz_ | mjt, i guess ii means installed, but why two i ? |
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| 10:04.27 | maxagaz_ | mjt, and what about rc ? |
| 10:04.28 | mjt | maxagaz_: see the header |
| 10:04.29 | Imran-UK | mjt, thanks |
| 10:04.35 | mjt | Imran-UK: yw |
| 10:04.41 | maxagaz_ | mjt, the header of what ? |
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| 10:04.57 | mjt | of dpkg listing |
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| 10:05.03 | mjt | of the output of dpkg -l |
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| 10:07.14 | khaije | anyone using virt-manager here? it always chokes when i try to create or manipulate vnets... |
| 10:08.00 | mjt | khaije: try #virt |
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| 10:08.41 | khaije | :( k |
| 10:09.21 | AndroidData | I'm using jailkit in order to create a secure environment. The 'root' user spawns a process which changes user and chroots to the jail. However, the home directory doesn't change -- typing in 'set' tells me that HOME = /root instead of /home/myUser -- which is causing a problem with my app. as it needs the home directory to be valid in order to create certain application settings |
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| 10:09.44 | AndroidData | this is on a 64-bit system... I have been having troubles getting everything to work as-is |
| 10:09.51 | maxagaz_ | mjt, thanks |
| 10:12.06 | mjt | AndroidData: how about HOME=/home/myUser jailkit ... ? |
| 10:12.25 | mjt | (just a guess) |
| 10:12.54 | AndroidData | mjt: doing 'set HOME=/home/myUser' would likely work. the problem is that I don't control the spawned process, and I need it to happen when the user logs in |
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| 10:13.55 | AndroidData | I keep getting errors: pam_start failed, error 26 |
| 10:13.58 | mjt | i've no idea what jailkit is and where you've got it. Maybe ask its maintainers? |
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| 10:15.49 | Arafangion | Hey, how do I find out what line ending style a given text file uses? |
| 10:16.00 | Arafangion | (One that does NOT require me to start vim and typing ':set ff'. |
| 10:16.02 | Arafangion | ) |
| 10:16.45 | AndroidData | I wonder where the pam modules are |
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| 10:17.10 | mjt | pam modules are usually in /lib/security, but it's unlikely yuo need to know |
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| 10:17.23 | mjt | seriously - it's probably something to do with pam _config_ not modules. |
| 10:17.36 | \amethyst | AndroidData: file foo.txt |
| 10:17.39 | \amethyst | doh |
| 10:17.44 | \amethyst | Arafangion: file foo.txt |
| 10:17.47 | Arafangion | I want to find all files that contain dos line endings. |
| 10:17.55 | mihkel | Can anyone help to to debug pcscd and a smartcard reader |
| 10:17.57 | Arafangion | \amethyst: I want to know more than just that it's ascii text. |
| 10:18.28 | mihkel | http://paste.debian.net/37671/ |
| 10:18.32 | AndroidData | The configuration isn't the issue; this is a jailkit. The PAM modules are missing from /lib/security within the jail |
| 10:18.33 | mjt | something like grep '\r\n' |
| 10:18.43 | \amethyst | Arafangion: it should say "with CRLF line terminators" |
| 10:18.46 | Arafangion | mjt: Why didn't I think of that!? |
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| 10:18.48 | mihkel | strace: http://paste.debian.net/37676/ |
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| 10:19.01 | mihkel | and ltrace: http://paste.debian.net/37680/ |
| 10:19.03 | Arrowmaster | yay for exploding harddrives and not having a replacement </sarcasm> http://arrowmaster.net/dmesg http://arrowmaster.net/dmesg2 |
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| 10:20.08 | mjt | Arafangion: if jailkit does the right thing it should not need any modules inside chroot. |
| 10:20.10 | AndroidData | so I got the config files for pam (/etc/pam.conf, /etc/pam.d) and the pam modules (/lib/security)... now it seems I'm still missing something, because it cannot retrieve authentication info... I do have /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow though |
| 10:20.34 | Arrowmaster | thank god for REISUB, atleast i can reboot it since you know your fucked when /sbin/shutdown cant be found to run |
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| 10:20.57 | AndroidData | ah |
| 10:21.02 | AndroidData | wait, /etc/shadow was missing |
| 10:21.17 | ukd1 | Does anyone know why I get the error "git: 'remote' is not a git-command" - I'm pretty sure it is a command |
| 10:21.30 | Arafangion | \amethyst: 'file' continues to be absurdly impressive. Thanks. :) |
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| 10:21.53 | mjt | ukd1: it's a feature of a more recent version of git |
| 10:22.09 | mjt | ukd1: 1.6+ if memory serves |
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| 10:23.24 | themill | ukd1: etch? |
| 10:23.36 | ukd1 | yes etch |
| 10:23.43 | ukd1 | is there a good backport? |
| 10:23.48 | themill | ukd1: you might like to look ath the backport on backports.org |
| 10:23.48 | Solak | Is it a known problem that 'testing' after an 'update & dist-upgrade' messes up KDE? |
| 10:23.55 | themill | dpkg: tell ukd1 about backports.org |
| 10:24.10 | Solak | I have a desktop, but no menu and I have to run applications with 'run command'. |
| 10:24.24 | Solak | also, config programs for kde don't appear to work. |
| 10:24.25 | nkuttler | Solak: testing is know to break from time to time |
| 10:24.55 | Solak | nkuttler: ok, so I have to wait, use unstable or put back the backup? |
| 10:25.01 | Arafangion | nkuttler: Whereas sid breaks every other time. :) |
| 10:25.13 | nkuttler | Arafangion: in sid fixes get in quicker, so it doesn't stay broken |
| 10:25.21 | nkuttler | Solak: i'd say take the backup |
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| 10:25.34 | AndroidData | what does "su" need to work? |
| 10:25.36 | Arafangion | nkuttler: Last I heard, 'breaks' is the transition from 'fixed' to 'non-functional'. |
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| 10:26.09 | Solak | Arafangion: in this case that pretty much covers what happened here :) |
| 10:26.24 | Solak | Arafangion: looks like a part is kde3 and another part kde4 |
| 10:27.09 | Arafangion | Solak: That's nothing... I remember upgrading during the gcc2.x->gcc3.x transition. |
| 10:27.30 | nkuttler | AndroidData: what do you mean? |
| 10:27.51 | AndroidData | If I do "su myUser", nothing happens. I'm still root |
| 10:28.03 | AndroidData | note that I'm doing this in a shell, so files you'd normally find on a Linux system are missing |
| 10:28.13 | AndroidData | so I'm wondering which files need to be copied for 'su' to work properly |
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| 10:29.00 | nkuttler | AndroidData: dpkg -S `which su`, and check man su, no idea |
| 10:29.45 | bolt | gah. windows machines really LOVE to swap. 1GB free memory, 474mb already swapped out |
| 10:29.45 | bolt | why of why |
| 10:29.45 | bolt | s/of/oh |
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| 10:29.45 | Arafangion | bolt: There is nothing inherently wrong with swapping. |
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| 10:30.46 | SlayerXP | bolt: pre-emptive swapping is actually a perfectly reasonable strategy |
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| 10:35.46 | AndroidData | jittah! it works |
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| 10:36.26 | AndroidData | The problem: /etc/pam.d, /etc/pam.conf, /lib/security, /usr/bin/su, /usr/bin/login, /etc/login.defs, /usr/bin/groups, /usr/bin/id, /usr/bin/whoami did not properly exist |
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| 10:37.39 | nkuttler | AndroidData: that sounds terribly wrong. is that a fresh install? |
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| 10:38.38 | AndroidData | it's a jail. a file system within a file system |
| 10:38.40 | mjt | AndroidData: just think about it: you're "jailing" your process, that is, restricting its access to system's vital data. So your chroot jail should NOT contain all that stuff |
| 10:39.01 | mjt | unless your jailkit is badly broken by design |
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| 10:39.21 | AndroidData | well, for some reason, my process thinks the home directory is /root instead of /home/myUser |
| 10:39.29 | AndroidData | and it needs to put files in the home directory |
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| 10:39.35 | AndroidData | and I figure that PAM is needed to get this info |
| 10:39.47 | mjt | ok, one more possibility - to edit that /etc/shadow etc and remove all the irrelevant entries from there and lock the passwords for the relevant ones. |
| 10:40.05 | AndroidData | it only has two entries: one for root (testing), and one for myUser |
| 10:40.08 | mjt | pam is pluggable AUTHENTICATION modules |
| 10:40.15 | mjt | that's good |
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| 10:42.15 | AndroidData | am I even starting the process correctly? |
| 10:42.20 | mjt | one more thing -- `su' is setuid-root, and often being exploited (or attempted to) |
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| 10:42.29 | AndroidData | I'm using start-stop-daemon to start the process |
| 10:42.30 | mjt | another example of stuff that should not be in a jail |
| 10:42.37 | AndroidData | actually the 'su' command was only in my test jail |
| 10:42.44 | mjt | no idea what jailkit is so can't comment |
| 10:42.49 | AndroidData | I was onyl going to include the PAM stuff in the other jails, but you made me change my mind :P |
| 10:43.13 | AndroidData | jailkit is basically a tool that copies files for you automatically. you've got a folder like /jail, and you can instruct jailkit to turn it into a proper jail |
| 10:43.20 | mjt | really, there should be some examples somewere ;) |
| 10:43.23 | AndroidData | like, moving important files from /bin and /lib and stuff over there |
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| 10:43.54 | AndroidData | I know, I've seen them, and the jail is working... however for some reason the environment variables aren't changing when the spawned process is created using start-stop-daemon |
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| 10:44.45 | mjt | if that's the only issue, why not try the first thing I suggested? |
| 10:44.48 | AndroidData | I need to have it so when start-stop-daemon chroots the user inside the /jail folder, it automatically searches /etc/passwd for the correct home dir |
| 10:45.05 | mjt | aha |
| 10:45.16 | mjt | so it's the s-s-d who does the chroot |
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| 10:45.22 | AndroidData | ssd? |
| 10:45.28 | AndroidData | ya |
| 10:45.29 | mjt | start-stop-daemon |
| 10:45.36 | AndroidData | s-s-d does the chroot |
| 10:45.59 | AndroidData | I figured that if it also changed users, it would automatically read /etc/passwd for the new home directory, and modify environment variables accordingly |
| 10:46.02 | mjt | and it needs no pam stuff inside |
| 10:46.10 | AndroidData | yeah, I removed those |
| 10:46.12 | mjt | no, it only changes uid |
| 10:46.21 | mjt | and does not even touch environment |
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| 10:46.31 | mjt | so my very first suggestion to you should work |
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| 10:46.47 | AndroidData | can I do something like "set HOME = /home/myUser && start-stop-daemon ..." ? |
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| 10:47.09 | mjt | you need libs and the intended binary in the jail, plus whatever files it needs |
| 10:47.11 | mjt | nothing mode |
| 10:47.12 | mjt | more |
| 10:47.15 | mjt | no |
| 10:47.20 | AndroidData | darn |
| 10:47.20 | mjt | i was pretty specific |
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| 10:47.48 | mjt | HOME=/home/myUser jailkit ... ? |
| 10:48.03 | mjt | so it becomes HOME=/home/myUser start-sto-daemon .... |
| 10:48.16 | mjt | and whatever other variables you want to set/change |
| 10:48.29 | AndroidData | HOME=/home/myUser && start-stop-daemon ... |
| 10:48.35 | mjt | no && |
| 10:48.43 | mjt | why can't you read? :) |
| 10:48.45 | AndroidData | but how does the interpreter know where the command ends? |
| 10:48.51 | mjt | heh |
| 10:48.56 | AndroidData | magic |
| 10:49.00 | mjt | read the shell manpage perhaps? :) |
| 10:49.03 | mjt | man sh |
| 10:49.05 | mjt | ;) |
| 10:49.10 | AndroidData | holy crap it works |
| 10:49.14 | mjt | lol |
| 10:49.21 | AndroidData | magic!! |
| 10:49.32 | mjt | There's No Magic (tm) |
| 10:49.53 | AndroidData | also it is possible to easily clear out unused environment vars? |
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| 10:49.55 | mjt | the sh-like command looks like: |
| 10:50.04 | mjt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.08 | AndroidData | ah |
| 10:50.13 | mjt | the assignments are optional |
| 10:50.22 | mjt | ditto for aruments and the command really : |
| 10:50.23 | mjt | ;) |
| 10:50.24 | AndroidData | is there an easy way to like, wipe ALL the environment vars sans HOME and USERNAME/USER? |
| 10:50.29 | AndroidData | & whatever might be needed |
| 10:50.31 | mjt | man env |
| 10:50.31 | AndroidData | & PATH of course |
| 10:50.38 | AndroidData | ah |
| 10:50.48 | mjt | you'll have something like |
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| 10:51.05 | mjt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.23 | mjt | `env -' resets environment |
| 10:51.59 | AndroidData | don't you need env -i to reset it? |
| 10:52.12 | mjt | and since it resets PATH too, you'll have to specify proper PATH or specify full path for s-s-d. |
| 10:52.16 | Wesley_ | Hi all. i'm trying to install debian 5.0 to a server with two hdd's, and a 3eare card; after i've made a raid 0 array, selected background process and install debian after the reboot I get a "operating system nog found" |
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| 10:52.23 | Wesley_ | any idea's? |
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| 10:52.49 | mjt | AndroidData: note it's not a shell built-in command (env), so it does not touch shell's variables, it only works for single command that follws env. |
| 10:54.04 | AndroidData | ahhhh i broke it |
| 10:54.18 | AndroidData | yay it works again |
| 10:54.27 | AndroidData | woo it works |
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| 10:56.00 | IamSOG | http://paste.debian.net/37667/ <--- um.. anyone know what happen to my sond card? it works In ETCH though, but not Lenny, I wonder why |
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| 10:58.14 | themill | IamSOG: it would help if you did some more research between reposts. What sort of sound card is it? Do you know what driver it used in etch? If you don't know, can you boot off some livecd and find out? |
| 10:59.32 | khaije | i'm thinking about adding tape to my backup routine, any suggestions? |
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| 11:00.00 | OpenTokix | khaije: get a robot with 20x the space you need |
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| 11:00.11 | OpenTokix | khaije: its a bitch to handle tapes, it's slow and messy |
| 11:00.47 | themill | !tape backups |
| 11:00.47 | dpkg | "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" -- Linus Torvalds |
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| 11:01.16 | khaije | how expensive would a relatively simple system be with 10tb capacity (i'm new to tape backups) |
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| 11:04.57 | blindy | How do i check which network drivers debian is using for my NIC? |
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| 11:05.50 | themill | !which ethernet module |
| 11:05.50 | dpkg | To find out what kernel modules your cards are using, look in dmesg, ask me about <which module for 0200>, use "ethtool --driver eth0", or "readlink /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver" or run: for i in `lspci | grep -i net| cut -f1 -d\ ` ; do readlink "/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:$i/driver"; done | awk -F/ '{print $8}' |
| 11:08.51 | blindy | Ok, im doing "ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000 duplex full autoneg on" but its not connecting at 1gbps, im using a straight through cable to my Vista machine. http://pastebin.com/m6e9626c2 |
| 11:08.58 | blindy | and using a cat6 cable |
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| 11:10.35 | themill | blindy: aiui, you need to turn autonegotiation off before you set any of these settings. Autonegotiation and defining speeds/duplex are opposing things to try to do |
| 11:11.36 | themill | see, e.g. #525296 |
| 11:11.39 | themill | !dbugs 525296 |
| 11:11.43 | dpkg | DONE:#525296:N[linux-image-2.6.26-1-686] Cannot set tg3 interface to full duplex (); Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:30:04 UTC [] |
| 11:11.49 | blindy | themill: makes sense. But when i did that, i could not connect to the machine. I forced my Vista to run at 1gpbs but still doesnt connect. Not sure what happen |
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| 11:18.27 | kinexda | hi folks!! |
| 11:18.49 | kinexda | what should I install if I wanted to unrar files within mc ? |
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| 11:22.24 | Guerin | kinexda: get the unfree unrar from the author site |
| 11:23.07 | kinexda | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/unrar-free/download |
| 11:23.10 | kinexda | this one? |
| 11:23.22 | Guerin | no, unrar-free doesn't open many rar files |
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| 11:25.47 | IamSOG | http://paste.debian.net/37667/ <--- um.. anyone know what happen to my sond card? it works In ETCH though, but not Lenny, I wonder why |
| 11:25.47 | orochi_ | Hello :> I'm a long-time user of debian, but I haven't been following much of the recent news lately, I was wondering if someone here could clarify something for me :> Does anyone think that the "fork" of eglibc that Debian is adopting will affect cross-distribution packages negatively? |
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| 11:27.52 | Manu311 | hi, does any1 has a source for emerald which works with compiz 0.7.6 (debian lenny) |
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| 11:28.25 | nkuttler | orochi_: /msg dpkg eglibc to get started |
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| 11:29.19 | Pulpie | !lenny to testing |
| 11:29.31 | Pulpie | dpkg: lenny to testing |
| 11:29.31 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Pulpie |
| 11:29.35 | Manu311 | ty, I downgraded because compiz doesn't work in testing -.- |
| 11:29.41 | Pulpie | dpkg: upgrade |
| 11:29.41 | dpkg | somebody said upgrade was what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security', or if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first Ask me about <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> |
| 11:29.48 | nkuttler | Pulpie: please /msg the bot |
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| 11:30.35 | IamSOG | !lenny sound ] |
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| 11:31.13 | nkuttler | IamSOG: define 'not work' |
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| 11:31.52 | nkuttler | !tell IamSOG about audio |
| 11:31.56 | Pulpie | nkuttler: sorry just trying to figure out the right commands for it |
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| 11:32.02 | orochi_ | nkuttler: Thanks very much...I use debian as my primary development platform, I was just concerned that the change might lead to me being unable to produce packages in debian that would also run on other modern distributions |
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| 11:32.24 | IamSOG | nkuttler no sound, and after i Run alasconf it found my card but give me a /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1497: No soundcards found... http://paste.debian.net/37667/ |
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| 11:33.03 | IamSOG | so the whole thing is strange |
| 11:33.07 | nkuttler | IamSOG: check your dmesg output for hints, no idea about that card |
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| 11:33.48 | IamSOG | um.. thanks nkuttler guess it won't be fix for a while, anyway it works without the need to config in ETCH |
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| 11:35.06 | \amethyst | IamSOG: hm, might be a firmware issue |
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| 11:35.42 | IamSOG | \amethyst Oh hey \amethyst :D yeah.. u know how long I have been trying to figure that out... um... but this laptop is real old, like almost 10 years old now |
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| 11:36.50 | \amethyst | IamSOG: the issue is that the yamaha driver contained non-free firmware that was removed in lenny |
| 11:36.53 | \amethyst | IamSOG: http://seputarlinux.blogspot.com/2009/04/yamaha-ymf-754-soundcard-problem-on.html |
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| 11:37.32 | IamSOG | non-free firmware? thanks \amethyst never heard of that... let me read, thanks |
| 11:37.46 | john-long | hi |
| 11:37.48 | mjt | \amethyst: but is the driver still in kernel? I mean, will it work provided /lib/firmware/whatever exists? |
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| 11:37.58 | john-long | how do i arrange service startup |
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| 11:38.39 | abrotman | john-long: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 11:39.52 | \amethyst | mjt: appears to be |
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| 11:40.11 | mjt | \amethyst: yeah, i just finished looking at the link you gave :) |
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| 11:40.30 | IamSOG | OH! thanks \amethyst it looks like it might work !! I am gonna try it :D |
| 11:40.35 | mjt | dpkg -L kernel-firmware |
| 11:40.35 | dpkg | ii kernel-firmware 1.6-12 mjt's private stamp collection |
| 11:40.40 | mjt | err |
| 11:40.42 | mjt | lol |
| 11:41.08 | mjt | but i asked for FILE listing, not package listing (-L vs -l) |
| 11:41.36 | \amethyst | dpkg -i foo |
| 11:41.36 | dpkg | removes a lung from \amethyst and replaces it with foo |
| 11:41.36 | mjt | and it's of version 2.6.29.4-1 you bastard :) |
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| 11:42.50 | \amethyst | mjt: oddly, it doesn't seem to be in firmware-linux |
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| 11:43.10 | mjt | i use my own kernel and initramfs stuff |
| 11:43.16 | mjt | and it IS here :) |
| 11:43.41 | \amethyst | mjt: compiled from upstream sources? |
| 11:43.59 | azeem | mjt: dpkg is case-insensitive I think |
| 11:44.11 | mjt | http://www.corpit.ru/debian/tls/ -- a tiny repo of the stuff I used on my systems. |
| 11:44.23 | mjt | azeem: bad for him :) |
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| 11:45.40 | mjt | or lame :) |
| 11:47.27 | abrotman | yeah .. i'd totally want to remember the factoid name and the case .. awesome |
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| 11:49.26 | Imran-UK | mjt, i see youve got kvm in your repo. just curious as to your experiences with it? |
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| 11:49.49 | Imran-UK | compared to xen for example, i'm most familiar with xen |
| 11:49.51 | mjt | it's a nice little thing |
| 11:50.07 | mjt | it's hvm stuff is very nice |
| 11:50.13 | mjt | but it's mostly on-par with xen |
| 11:50.19 | mjt | (which is in there too, btw) |
| 11:51.08 | Imran-UK | yup, i saw, v3.4. you're running sid i take it? |
| 11:51.09 | mjt | but it's FAR, FAR easier to set up on a modern kernel than xen - no non-existed patches needed, kvm is in stock kernel |
| 11:51.18 | mjt | no i'm running lenny |
| 11:51.29 | Imran-UK | yeah, thats a drawback of xen - it doesnt get mainlione kernel updates |
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| 11:51.57 | Imran-UK | mjt, is kvm documented well? |
| 11:52.07 | mjt | kvm is lacking a bit in management software, but i heard that virt-manager is progressing very well |
| 11:52.19 | mjt | oh yeah it is documented wery well |
| 11:52.26 | mjt | because it's qemy really |
| 11:52.53 | mjt | with changes to support native execution |
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| 11:53.18 | Imran-UK | mjt, we use the xen in lenyy, 3,2 it hink. in production, iv also managed to get unmodified guests running in it. we plan on using unmodified guests for a big project with xen/debian-lenny. is there anything major in xen3.4 that would make me want to upgrade |
| 11:53.21 | mjt | everything that applies to qemy applies to kvm too. except of slowness. ;) |
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| 11:54.08 | mjt | no idea really. Xen from lenny (3.2) didn't boot on my hardware so I tried 3.4 and that one worked. |
| 11:54.25 | Imran-UK | mjt, cool. btw i dont know much abt qemu, its a cpu emualtor right? |
| 11:54.30 | mjt | i'm just experimenting with xen |
| 11:54.40 | mjt | yes it's machine emulator |
| 11:54.43 | mjt | (not just cpu) |
| 11:54.47 | Imran-UK | ok |
| 11:54.48 | mjt | xen uses it too for hvm guests |
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| 11:54.54 | mjt | but it's hidden |
| 11:55.10 | Imran-UK | yeah iv seen it referenced in the xen config |
| 11:55.44 | mjt | i'm running whole office on kvm right now |
| 11:56.00 | mjt | all servers, including dmz and router and main stuff |
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| 11:56.21 | mjt | including the machine i'm IRCing from now, and where my X is running |
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| 11:57.02 | Imran-UK | mjt, sounds like pretty cool shit there :) btw for back-ups, do you take a copy of the whole machine guest file or summat? |
| 11:57.17 | mjt | no, backups are done inside guests |
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| 11:57.38 | mjt | because i mostly gave up on lvm |
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| 11:58.08 | Imran-UK | mjt, you mean using lvm snapshots? |
| 11:58.21 | OpenTokix | mjt: why ? |
| 11:58.22 | mjt | i gave up on lvm so I don't use lvm snapshots |
| 11:58.23 | Imran-UK | what problem did you find? |
| 11:58.25 | OpenTokix | mjt: lvm is the win |
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| 11:58.59 | mjt | lvm is nearly impossible to set up on a raid5 with number of drives !=5 or 9 |
| 11:59.04 | Imran-UK | mjt, i meant that if using lvm for backups you would have been using lvm snapshots right? 'm just cruious |
| 11:59.15 | mjt | maybe |
| 11:59.16 | mjt | dunno |
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| 11:59.45 | Imran-UK | mjt, hmm never heard that limitation before with lvm |
| 11:59.46 | OpenTokix | mjt: lvm has nothing to do with the raid |
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| 11:59.59 | mjt | OpenTokix: it has, very much, unfortunately. |
| 12:00.01 | OpenTokix | mjt: you make your raid into a single pv, then is that single pv inside the vg |
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| 12:00.11 | mjt | OpenTokix: it has to do proper alignment of its blocks |
| 12:00.13 | Pulpie | when updating you do sudo apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade; reboot; right? |
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| 12:00.25 | OpenTokix | mjt: howcome? |
| 12:00.59 | mjt | OpenTokix: but since it's blocksize is a power of two, and on raid5 with, say, 4 drives the alignment should be to 3x chunk size, it does not fit |
| 12:01.05 | mjt | the result is terrible performance |
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| 12:01.39 | OpenTokix | mjt: intresting, do you have any data to support this? |
| 12:01.50 | mjt | i don't need data |
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| 12:02.09 | mjt | but i actually tried it |
| 12:02.14 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 12:02.26 | mjt | it resorts to read-modify-write cycle for every write |
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| 12:02.56 | mjt | the same issue has traditional partition table on a hardware raid5 btw |
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| 12:03.03 | mjt | or all iscsi targets |
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| 12:04.24 | mjt | if the number of drives =5, you'll have 4x chunk_size rows and you can make your lvm block of that size and everything works just fine |
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| 12:05.01 | OpenTokix | intresting |
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| 12:05.18 | mjt | nothing really interesting, just see how raid5 works |
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| 12:05.26 | mjt | and imagine how it'll work if ALL writes are misaligned |
| 12:05.46 | sgodsell | Is there a way to check where a file resides in a particular package. If the package is not already installed on your system? |
| 12:06.24 | petemc | apt-file |
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| 12:06.51 | mjt | but it needs its metadata |
| 12:06.58 | mjt | which is quite large |
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| 12:08.21 | ranix | !listkeys exim4 |
| 12:08.23 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'exim4' by key (13): exim4 reconfigure ;; why exim4 ;; #debian why exim4 ;; _default exim4 reconfigure ;; exim4 smtpauth ;; exim4 ;; _default exim4gmail ;; _default why exim4 ;; exim4 backports ;; #debian exim4 reconfigure ;; exim4gmail ;; _default exim4 ;; #debian exim4. |
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| 12:08.47 | Imran-UK | mjt, do you thinks its sensible to go with raid6 for big discs (say >1tb) given how long a sync takes if 1 drive fails? |
| 12:08.50 | mjt | !why exim4 |
| 12:08.50 | dpkg | Exim was chosen as the default MTA a long time ago: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1997/06/msg00476.html |
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| 12:09.48 | mjt | Imran-UK: it will take about the same amount of time for any raid level |
| 12:10.15 | mjt | Imran-UK: well, at least comparable (maybe 2x faster or slower etc) |
| 12:10.39 | hoohaah | that's not right at all |
| 12:10.49 | mjt | it all boils down to reading whole thing and writing it to another place |
| 12:10.54 | Imran-UK | mjt, yup. its more that, since raid6 will tolerate up to 2 drive failures, it is bettwer to go with that as iv heard a sync can take a while |
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| 12:11.42 | mjt | Imran-UK: you can use raid1 or raid10 too |
| 12:11.47 | mjt | hoohaah: not right what? |
| 12:11.50 | hoohaah | is exim4 only the default mailer because other alternatives such as courier or dovecot weren't availabe at the time? |
| 12:12.10 | mjt | exim has nothing to do with dovecot really |
| 12:12.20 | hoohaah | well, superior mailers, collectively |
| 12:12.26 | mjt | ah |
| 12:12.49 | sgodsell | thank you petemc , mjt |
| 12:12.49 | hoohaah | I think we stubbornly stuck with exim because we didn't want to takeback our decisions |
| 12:12.58 | hoohaah | 'we' being maintainers, of course |
| 12:12.59 | mjt | exim is an mta, dovecot is mda, and courier has both |
| 12:13.30 | mjt | and it's really a difficult descision, and having in mind transitions.. oh well. |
| 12:13.44 | hoohaah | is it really too late to change? |
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| 12:13.51 | mjt | alternative to exim now is postfix |
| 12:13.57 | hoohaah | I mean, yes, we can always wait for exim to get better |
| 12:14.01 | mjt | to late for what? |
| 12:14.04 | hoohaah | but what if there are better options now? |
| 12:14.04 | mjt | too |
| 12:14.10 | phr0nak | hi |
| 12:14.29 | mjt | and there is a thinking at least about switching to postfix |
| 12:14.29 | hoohaah | mjt: implement a different mailer in next stable release, say |
| 12:14.30 | phr0nak | anybody have problems with mail-notification-evolution on debian squeeze ? |
| 12:14.40 | phr0nak | says that cannot contact with him |
| 12:14.42 | mjt | it is never too late |
| 12:14.56 | mjt | provided a "next" release will happen at all :) |
| 12:14.58 | phr0nak | in debian lenny all works fine |
| 12:15.10 | ranix | what's wrong with exim |
| 12:15.13 | ranix | I use exim all the time |
| 12:15.32 | mjt | it's baically not maintained |
| 12:15.48 | ranix | huh |
| 12:15.51 | ranix | didn't know that |
| 12:16.22 | ranix | I guess I wouldn't want to do it either |
| 12:17.17 | mjt | but the talks about replacing it started way before |
| 12:17.31 | hoohaah | yeah, about a week after the decision, iirc |
| 12:17.39 | mjt | heh yeah ;) |
| 12:17.49 | phr0nak | anybody have the same problem with mail-notification ? |
| 12:18.22 | ranix | !why not exim4 |
| 12:18.41 | petemc | mjt: how do you figure its not maintained? |
| 12:18.58 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 12:19.30 | hoohaah | lest our tempers flare |
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| 12:20.08 | mjt | petemc: from several places incl. talks in #debain-devel |
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| 12:20.44 | kokoko1 | hi guys i am downloading debain for sparc but i am confused the two dvds avialble |
| 12:20.53 | kokoko1 | eg, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/sparc/bt-dvd/ |
| 12:20.55 | petemc | there are recent packages, marc haber and andreas meltzer are active on the debian exim mailing list and irc |
| 12:21.15 | kokoko1 | what does debian-update DVD for ? |
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| 12:23.11 | adb | update DVD-1 ? |
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| 12:23.25 | adb | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/sparc/iso-dvd/ |
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| 12:26.54 | abrotman | kokoko1: it's for people with offline installations that want to go from 5.0.0 to 5.0.1 |
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| 12:30.29 | kokoko1 | thanks abrotman which mean i can always go to 5.0.1 if i am online? |
| 12:30.38 | abrotman | yes |
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| 12:32.06 | Deepa|Away | Is there any nice and easy way to convert all file sin a folder from iso-8859-1 to UTF-8? |
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| 12:32.25 | rahsputin | Hi, i am building a custom kernel, and would like to test the .config for any Mismatches before i build, is there a way ? |
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| 12:36.21 | mjt | Deepa|Away: filenames or contents too? |
| 12:36.25 | abrotman | mismatches with what? |
| 12:36.29 | Deepa|Away | content only |
| 12:36.29 | abrotman | iconv |
| 12:36.46 | mjt | oh content... iconv. |
| 12:36.58 | mjt | and a tiny shell loop around it |
| 12:37.11 | mjt | provided they're text files ;) |
| 12:37.39 | nan8 | convmv for filenames - but wasn't there some tool that tried to do it all in once / maybe it wasn't finished? |
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| 12:38.23 | nan8 | can't find it anymore |
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| 12:40.55 | HSNews | how to output uptime of command runned in background? |
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| 12:41.38 | HSNews | runned - launched |
| 12:41.43 | abrotman | running ? |
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| 12:42.16 | ffsa | has anyone faced problem with fonts on iceweasel? i use debian x86_64 |
| 12:42.30 | rahsputin | thats the other question, last night i built and installed 2.6.29 kernel for the first time ever, Yippie :) but as it was building i noticed along a message simular to : WARNING: modpost: Found 1 section mismatch(es). To see full details build your kernel with: 'make CONFIG_DEBUG_SECTION_MISMATCH=y' i don't know if the build has printed out any type of file showing the build progress and errors since i gave it this command: $ faker |
| 12:42.50 | rahsputin | abrotman: ^ |
| 12:42.50 | HSNews | I run command like '/bin/php somescript.php &' |
| 12:42.59 | HSNews | and I want to know how long it still work |
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| 12:43.03 | abrotman | moment |
| 12:45.50 | Deepa|Away | I'll just pipe find to iconv |
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| 12:46.31 | mjt | lol |
| 12:46.53 | ranix | find | while read filename; do iconv foo bar %filename;dpme |
| 12:46.56 | mjt | and you'll get a list of files (what find produces) in utf8 ;) |
| 12:47.01 | ranix | dpme? done! |
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| 12:47.37 | abrotman | rahsputin: so you want me to help you learn how to build a kernel? |
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| 12:49.43 | rahsputin | lol :) i finally did it last night, and it is up right now, i am interested in what the message is about and if the results are of any harm |
| 12:49.50 | rahsputin | abrotman: ^ |
| 12:50.12 | abrotman | rahsputin: this would be *WAY* easier if you would prepend my name before you start typing |
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| 12:50.34 | rahsputin | abrotman: i know i have a bad habit ;) |
| 12:50.36 | abrotman | rahsputin: and if you want to know ask #kernel, #debian really doesn't support custom kernels |
| 12:51.33 | themill | HSNews: why are you backgrounding the process if you want to know how long it ran for? |
| 12:51.40 | rahsputin | abrotman: i did, since i am built it for Debian thought i wouldn't be a pain |
| 12:51.56 | rahsputin | -am |
| 12:51.58 | creature1 | how do you make dmesg to show up in desktop transparently? |
| 12:52.18 | HSNews | themill: I wrote IrcBot) |
| 12:52.45 | HSNews | themill: And If i close terminal window - it closed too |
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| 12:53.11 | creature1 | i was thinking about terminal emulator running "watch -n0.5 dmesg | tail -n 10" and then make the terminal 100% transparent and boarderless |
| 12:53.23 | Deepa|Away | That tries to run on %ilename |
| 12:53.56 | alecs1 | hi, can I use two monitors otherwise than showing the same image or having a huge virtual desktop? |
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| 12:54.04 | themill | HSNews: you possible want to run it through screen instead. |
| 12:54.37 | alecs1 | like maybe having one desktop on a screen and the other on another |
| 12:54.50 | HSNews | -bash: screen: command not found |
| 12:54.56 | HSNews | (Virutalhost account) |
| 12:55.24 | themill | !installit |
| 12:55.25 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 12:55.26 | alecs1 | the huge one is nasty because the cursor doesn't stop at the edge and the kde panel does not extend on both... |
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| 12:56.14 | agaran | HSNews: maybe just turn your bot into demon, setsid() and/or closing file descriptors and disconnecting from controlling terminal might help too |
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| 13:00.48 | nan8 | creature1: depends on the desktop you use |
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| 13:01.17 | nan8 | creature1: typically desktop environments already place a window on the background |
| 13:01.37 | nan8 | creature1: try xwininfo and click on the desktop |
| 13:02.09 | nan8 | creature1: will output window id in hex - convert it to decimal and try xterm -into XXXXX |
| 13:02.22 | HSNews | agaran: setsid() - php function? what you mean 'closing file descriptors' ? |
| 13:02.59 | nan8 | creature1: for example xterm -into 20971550 -e 'watch -d dmesg' (but please note: this is a hack) |
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| 13:04.46 | nan8 | creature1: if you don't use a desktop environment you might wish to take a look at xrootconsole |
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| 13:06.06 | Gons01 | ONLINE Strategy GAME >> http://href.hu/x/95rh >OR< http://www.hackthat.net/df/ddos/74576/index.hack ! NO DOWNLOAD NEEDED ! |
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| 13:09.28 | rahsputin | abrotman: i think i found out what to do, i guess its been right in front of my nose the whole time :) : $ make CONFIG_DEBUG_SECTION_MISMATCH=y > ./mylogfile.$$ 2>&1 |
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| 13:14.20 | rahsputin | abrotman: in #kernel i am told that since i am using fakeroot and make-kpkg it is a Debian guestion lol |
| 13:15.25 | mjt | what's the problem? |
| 13:15.51 | rahsputin | mjt: you talkin to me :) |
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| 13:16.02 | mjt | is it a question? :) |
| 13:16.28 | rahsputin | yep |
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| 13:17.34 | rahsputin | but i think i have solved it, even if its gonna take a while to prove |
| 13:17.55 | agaran | HSNews: every process communicate via stdin stdout stderr, you need to close them if proces have to go into background.. |
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| 13:19.11 | dominik | If a package maintainer issued a RFA request for his package and I got a debian package fixing 5 bugs and updating to the most recent upstream version how should I proceed? The maintainer doesnt react on emails. Should I try to find a sponsor (mentor program)? Is this a NMU then? |
| 13:21.20 | stew | dominik: do you want to become the maintiner? or just upload a single fixed package? |
| 13:21.50 | Miouge | Is there a way to shutdown a USB port ? i mean to power it off ? |
| 13:21.55 | dominik | stew: as I got no maintainer experience at all I think I should start small and only upload this fixed package? Or am I wrong? |
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| 13:22.07 | creature1 | how do you make dmesg appear on the desktop? |
| 13:22.44 | stew | dominik: whichever you are more comfortable with, but how you prepare the package differs for either (and none of them are an NMU) |
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| 13:23.46 | stew | well actually, if its RFA: and not O:, then hmm, the maintainer should really be contacted, or marked as MIA |
| 13:23.56 | stew | dominik: what package/maintainer are we talking about? |
| 13:24.22 | dominik | stew: obexpushd, Jose Carlos Medeiros |
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| 13:27.50 | dominik | stew: im not sure if im the right person for the maintance job, although obexpushd doesnt seem to be a difficult package |
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| 13:29.22 | nan8 | creature1: i made some suggestions above - please read them |
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| 13:29.41 | nan8 | creature1: which desktop env do you use? |
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| 13:31.30 | stew | dominik: the maintainer appears to be mia, which means his packages should probably be orphaned |
| 13:32.54 | dominik | stew: What does this change for me in my situation? |
| 13:34.14 | stew | dominik: well, you might orphan the package, and mark it as a QA upload, changing the maintainer to the qa team |
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| 13:34.27 | stew | dominik: you might try contacting Ola, who is marked as the current sponsor |
| 13:34.54 | stew | dominik: he also happens to be the maintainers advocate in the NM process, so he might know what is up with Jose |
| 13:35.47 | dominik | stew: okay, ill try that, thanks |
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| 13:47.25 | HSNews | agaran: thanks |
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| 13:51.59 | agaran | HSNews: np, but i have no experience with writing daemons in php |
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| 13:54.58 | maxmc | hi, i used "mount --bind /somefolder /someotherfolder" and now i want to undo what i did. any ideas how i do that? thanks in advance |
| 13:55.42 | azeem | maxmc: umount the bind mount |
| 13:56.29 | maxmc | azeem: unmount: command not found |
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| 13:56.57 | themill | maxmc: check your spelling of umount |
| 13:57.11 | maxmc | ahhh |
| 13:57.16 | maxmc | thx themill |
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| 13:58.05 | maxmc | it works, thanks a lot :) |
| 13:58.15 | themill | thank azeem, not me! |
| 13:58.21 | techouse | i got a problem... i got like 3000 html files which are in Western encoding and i need to convert them to UTF-8 |
| 13:58.26 | techouse | how to do this? |
| 13:58.43 | tarzeau | haha |
| 13:58.47 | maxmc | thanks to both of you |
| 13:59.57 | themill | techouse: find to select the html files, sed to change the content-type charset and iconv to change the content. Oh, and some luck will be helpful too. |
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| 14:00.33 | techouse | themill: :( |
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| 14:01.07 | acidslep | the iconv part does not seem that hard |
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| 14:01.30 | techouse | got no idea how to do this :P |
| 14:01.40 | themill | techouse: I'd write a script that did the sed + iconv part on a file and refine that until I was happy it worked then use find to do it en masse. |
| 14:01.42 | techouse | never used iconv |
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| 14:02.07 | techouse | yea, a script is obvious, but i got no idea how to use iconv :D |
| 14:02.11 | techouse | gotta read the man :P |
| 14:02.25 | acidslep | oh i see, the content-type replacement is gonna be a toughie |
| 14:02.36 | acidslep | have fun sedding for that. |
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| 14:03.52 | themill | depends how consistently the html is written. find -name \*.html -exec grep "charset=iso8859-1" would be my first attempt attempt to see what it looks like |
| 14:04.11 | techouse | themill: like this: iconv -f ISO-8859-1 -t UTF-8 filename.txt |
| 14:04.12 | techouse | ? |
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| 14:04.18 | themill | Of course the chances that this meta tag even exists in the html is fairly low :( |
| 14:04.29 | nnunley | Is it still the case that when you upgrade libc6 that you must reboot the debian system? |
| 14:04.31 | acidslep | then you are better off |
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| 14:09.35 | IamSOG | hard to believe that still doesn't fix the sound card... um... might just go back to ETCH... ahhh |
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| 14:13.53 | dfs1 | does debian support intel graphics cards |
| 14:14.19 | torgrim | doesent everyone? |
| 14:14.22 | torgrim | the driver is opensource |
| 14:14.47 | dfs1 | ubuntu doesnt it seems.it always has some trouble |
| 14:14.52 | dfs1 | i am going mad |
| 14:15.01 | azeem | depends on what you mean with support |
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| 14:15.27 | dfs1 | i just upgraded to 9.04 and blender started freezing the computer |
| 14:15.32 | torgrim | there is a problem with the driver in the recent ubuntu version with their included driver |
| 14:15.38 | torgrim | basicly intelcards suck ;) |
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| 14:16.33 | dfs1 | yah what annoys me the most is how people have written about how linux enables even cheap machines to run unlike windows |
| 14:16.42 | dfs1 | it seems they dont care either |
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| 14:17.32 | wooj | ? |
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| 14:21.18 | nan8 | dfs1: which graphics chip do you have? |
| 14:21.42 | dfs1 | intel 82945g |
| 14:22.14 | torgrim | i guess it comes down to intel not releasing speccs early enough, or actually commit code to the drivers |
| 14:22.24 | torgrim | cant blame linux for that.. |
| 14:22.53 | dfs1 | what do u mean it worked alright in 8.04 |
| 14:23.09 | dfs1 | atleast it didnt freeze back then |
| 14:23.23 | torgrim | my boss actually got a laptop with intelcard, he said he had to use a kernel from ppa |
| 14:23.30 | torgrim | but this is #debian, not #ubuntu ;) |
| 14:23.55 | torgrim | atleast he told me that it was an issue with the new xorg driver and the kernel that ubuntu uses |
| 14:24.02 | torgrim | will be fixed in next release ;) |
| 14:24.38 | dfs1 | i guess so |
| 14:24.55 | dfs1 | does debian also follow 6month release |
| 14:25.06 | wooj | nope |
| 14:25.08 | nan8 | dfs1: if it worked with ubuntu 8.04 chances are good if you install debian/lenny |
| 14:25.10 | torgrim | not at all ;) |
| 14:25.35 | wooj | debian releases based on a complex astronomical calendar involving the stars sirius and betelguise. |
| 14:25.42 | wooj | ...or something. |
| 14:25.42 | nan8 | dfs1: you might also try #intel-gfx |
| 14:25.51 | torgrim | haha true wooj |
| 14:25.56 | dfs1 | timetable thingy |
| 14:25.56 | dfs1 | because some say this is because of this stupid 6month thingy tha ubuntu has bugs |
| 14:25.57 | dfs1 | wow |
| 14:25.57 | dfs1 | lol |
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| 14:26.24 | themill | !win debhelper |
| 14:26.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, debhelper! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
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| 14:26.34 | torgrim | well, in a way its good ;) but it has its ups and downs |
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| 14:30.06 | Gun_Smoke | Beirut.. hummm.. I'd pass.. |
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| 14:30.36 | Wesley_ | i'm migrating a server to a new one, but would like to hav some users have the same uid's.. how can I do this? |
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| 14:30.48 | Wesley_ | copy the user from /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow ? |
| 14:31.06 | nnunley | Wesley_: That would be my guess. |
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| 14:31.31 | nnunley | Wesley_: And /etc/group |
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| 14:34.54 | creature1 | whats a good system resource monitor that transparently sits on the desktop |
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| 14:35.06 | abrotman | creature1: in which DE ? |
| 14:35.14 | creature1 | gnome |
| 14:35.23 | dfs1 | why was i kicked |
| 14:35.45 | abrotman | creature1: gdesklets |
| 14:35.59 | abrotman | dfs1: you are hitting the enter key at a frantic/useless pace |
| 14:36.18 | dfs1 | i didnt do that |
| 14:36.32 | nan8 | wonders why creature1 never answered him |
| 14:36.43 | stew | dfs1: you were automatically kicked by our flood protection bot becuase of the rate at which you were sending lines |
| 14:36.57 | abrotman | dfs1: your lines you entered reached the bot far too quickly .. either on your end or the bot's .. and it's flood protection |
| 14:37.13 | dfs1 | ok |
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| 14:38.39 | techouse | how do i check which encoding a file is? |
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| 14:39.01 | techouse | some thext editors say it's utf8-unix but it sure ain't |
| 14:39.05 | hoohaah | does a apt-pin rule with negative priority mean that unless a package is explicitly installed, it is not a candidate for installation/upgrade for multi-release implementations ala testing + sid? |
| 14:39.09 | torgrim | techouse: use file |
| 14:39.11 | themill | techouse: your html files? it's non-trivial to actually know |
| 14:39.29 | techouse | file says uft8 |
| 14:39.40 | hoohaah | ie keep testing packages at their current version, despite availability of neweer package in unstable, unless explicitly installed? |
| 14:39.52 | torgrim | techouse: iconv can convert anyway |
| 14:39.57 | hoohaah | also, does this apply to said package's dependencies? |
| 14:40.09 | techouse | but firefox doesn't display special chars correctly |
| 14:40.10 | techouse | :/ |
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| 14:40.17 | themill | techouse: "file" won't look at the entire file. It's not actually possible to automatically tell what the encoding of the file is. |
| 14:40.21 | torgrim | set the encoding header then techouse |
| 14:41.01 | techouse | the file has no heder |
| 14:41.06 | torgrim | <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> </head> |
| 14:41.13 | techouse | it just starts with a paragraph |
| 14:41.20 | techouse | ain't no meta |
| 14:41.23 | techouse | no head |
| 14:41.28 | techouse | just <p>.... |
| 14:41.29 | torgrim | add a head? ;) |
| 14:41.35 | techouse | in each file?! |
| 14:41.36 | themill | techouse: err... if you're sending dodgy html, then you're never going to get it work properly |
| 14:41.36 | techouse | lol |
| 14:41.50 | techouse | themill: it's an output from a dumb programme |
| 14:41.54 | techouse | :/ |
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| 14:42.09 | torgrim | create an indexfile with the encodingheader |
| 14:42.12 | torgrim | or add to each file ;) |
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| 14:42.25 | themill | techouse: very dumb. It's hard enough to get correctly-formed html to be correctly rendered let along malformed html |
| 14:42.29 | techouse | i mean, saving the thing to utf-8 in notepad++ fixes it, but that needs to be done for each file separately |
| 14:42.44 | techouse | themill: i know... |
| 14:42.49 | torgrim | use iconv to convert all the files then? |
| 14:43.04 | torgrim | what encoding are they orginally in? |
| 14:43.16 | techouse | yea, but i gotta tell iconv which encoding it is in the 1st place with -f ? |
| 14:43.20 | module000 | techouse: add the content-type header, wtf are you thinking |
| 14:43.44 | techouse | module000: that breaks the additional processing of the programme :/ |
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| 14:43.55 | themill | module000: these are html snippets, just adding the meta tag won't help. You need to add *everything* to the file |
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| 14:44.16 | torgrim | techouse: do you know what encoding they are orginally in? |
| 14:44.20 | techouse | torgrim: doesn't iconv require -f ? |
| 14:44.33 | torgrim | well, if you have the files, you can find out what encoding they use? |
| 14:44.33 | themill | chances are they are ISO8859-1 files.... it'd be worth trying it |
| 14:44.43 | torgrim | indeed ;) |
| 14:44.49 | techouse | torgrim: notepad++ says ansi as utf8 |
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| 14:45.15 | torgrim | notepad++ ;) |
| 14:45.17 | techouse | in another window it says utf8 wuthout bom |
| 14:45.18 | ajavid | I woke up |
| 14:45.18 | torgrim | what is that? |
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| 14:45.32 | zxd | how do you call the /dev/tty* ? device nodes? |
| 14:45.32 | techouse | notepad++ is a windows version of kate |
| 14:45.33 | techouse | :D |
| 14:45.39 | zxd | device blocks is for block devices |
| 14:45.42 | zxd | what do I call tty* |
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| 14:45.53 | ajavid | terminal? |
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| 14:46.11 | ajavid | tty = teletype anyway |
| 14:46.30 | ajavid | and yes, generally anything in /dev/ is a device node |
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| 14:46.55 | torgrim | techouse: try to convert 1 file from iso 8859-1 to utf8 then |
| 14:46.58 | torgrim | and see if it works ;) |
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| 14:47.10 | techouse | torgrim: what's the code of WESTERN? |
| 14:47.22 | techouse | i think it's western |
| 14:47.29 | dfs1 | techouse why havent u been kicked |
| 14:47.44 | techouse | wut? |
| 14:47.44 | techouse | :P |
| 14:47.53 | techouse | cause it's not a debian topic |
| 14:47.59 | techouse | cause of that? |
| 14:48.12 | themill | dfs1: you wrote 4 lines within a few seconds, that's why you were kicked. |
| 14:48.20 | dfs1 | i idint |
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| 14:48.35 | torgrim | he has godmode on ); |
| 14:48.47 | dfs1 | ok maybe |
| 14:48.50 | themill | dfs1: http://pastebin.ca/1443642 |
| 14:48.55 | torgrim | techouse: and its probably iso 8859-1 then ;) |
| 14:48.58 | ranix | dfs1: if you lag, sometimes the server will recieve messages in a big lump all at once |
| 14:49.00 | kojil | any kvm expert in here guys? |
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| 14:49.22 | ranix | dfs1: don't mind it, it's just our nanny bot keeping the channel clean, false-positive |
| 14:49.37 | kojil | using debian squeeze, want to enable networking on my virtual xp |
| 14:50.24 | simNIX | hello - I'm wordering what the recomended aproach to having several isolated (jailed?) Debian Lenny's on one box on top of Debian Lenny ? I'd like for instance my mail server and my webserver run in 'seperate machines' on one box - That way if needed I can shutdown the mail server, rsync it's directory over to another Debain box and restart it .. |
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| 14:50.35 | simNIX | xen maybe or are other solutions more recomended / easyer / lighter ? |
| 14:51.34 | creature1 | abrotman: how is this gdesklets supposed to work? |
| 14:51.40 | creature1 | i ran it and nothing happen |
| 14:52.05 | kojil | xen? |
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| 14:55.41 | techouse | this utf-8 ain't good |
| 14:55.42 | techouse | :/ |
| 14:55.46 | techouse | damn it! |
| 14:55.58 | techouse | the chars look even weirder |
| 14:56.04 | jelly-home | cirzgamanti: readlink -f . will tell you where . really is |
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| 14:56.57 | cirzgamanti | nice thx |
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| 14:57.40 | themill | techouse: you need all the tools you use to agree on the encoding (i.e. the html needs to be in utf-8 and your browser needs to think that it should render the text as utf-8). Without a content-type header or similar, it's going to be a bit random what happens |
| 14:58.19 | techouse | themill: this charset works |
| 14:58.20 | techouse | PilotSK.F0000764top.html: UTF-8 Unicode (with BOM) text, with very long lines |
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| 14:58.28 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:58.33 | techouse | now how do tell iconv to do that? |
| 14:58.45 | DexterF | runnign update on a box I haven't touched in quite a while I get this: W: GPG error: http://ftp2.de.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 14:58.50 | hoohaah | does squeeze's 2.6 kernel support booting from ext4? |
| 14:58.58 | DexterF | what's wrong there? |
| 14:59.05 | hoohaah | likewise, does squeeze's grub support booting from ext4 / ? |
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| 14:59.52 | themill | dpkg: tell DexterF about new archive key |
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| 15:00.58 | DexterF | themill: thanks! |
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| 15:01.05 | themill | techouse: the utf-8 that iconv is putting out will be the same as the utf-8 made by notepad++ except iconv probably won't include the BOM (byte order mark) |
| 15:01.32 | techouse | themill: yea, but the bom file looks ok in firefox while the non bom doesn't |
| 15:01.34 | techouse | :/ |
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| 15:02.09 | techouse | and in notepad++ it says that the original file is utf-8 with bom and i save it to utf-8 then file in linux says it's utf-8 with bom |
| 15:02.19 | themill | techouse: adding the BOM probably hints to ff that the text is UTF-8 encoded. If you View->Character->Encoding->Unicode you can force that |
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| 15:03.33 | techouse | ok, that's a dirty hack |
| 15:03.47 | techouse | but how to rape iconv to add BOM? |
| 15:04.05 | techouse | doesn't seem it supports it....anyway, gotta go...got a meeting... be back in 30 min |
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| 15:09.07 | abrotman | creature1: you ahve to add desklets |
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| 15:09.41 | creature1 | abrotman: how? |
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| 15:10.04 | abrotman | creature1: do you have the notification area? |
| 15:10.12 | creature1 | whats that? |
| 15:10.17 | creature1 | gdesklets just daemonizes |
| 15:10.29 | drama831 | i plan on setting up wtorrent (webui for rtorrent). so i installed lighttpd. the problem is i can get to the "default" index page from the outside by just using my external ip address. but only if my router is in bridged mode. however once i put it back in router mode (firewall and nat enabled) it times out. |
| 15:11.00 | creature1 | ohh you need to do "gdesklets shell" |
| 15:11.48 | abrotman | creature1: sorry ... been awhile since i mucked with them |
| 15:11.56 | asg | drama831: you probably need to port-forward port 80 traffic inbound to the router to the backend system. |
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| 15:13.31 | themill | techouse: perhaps try the uconv utility instead from the libicu-dev package. It has a --add-signature option that will add the BOM |
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| 15:13.36 | drama831 | asg: that is what i was thinking. but i was wondering in my router i have something called access control. if i click services it gives a list of services that can be enabled or disabled for both the lan and wan sides. would it be more secure to just open port 80 or enable the http service under access control? |
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| 15:13.49 | abrotman | creature1: got it going now? |
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| 15:15.10 | asg | drama831: depends on your router. I'd look for a specific port forwarding section. The access control in this case most likely applies to opening the management interface of the router to the WAN. Make sure not to do that. |
| 15:15.31 | creature1 | abrotman yea |
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| 15:15.41 | abrotman | creature1: are you totally impressed? |
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| 15:15.54 | creature1 | yea im totally impressed how horrible these are =D |
| 15:16.45 | creature1 | but atleast its easy to edit them |
| 15:17.36 | drama831 | asg: ok. i thought i was just to allow http traffic inbound to the connected computers. |
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| 15:19.07 | drama831 | my port forwarding section doesnt give the option to choose inboud or outbound. is that normal? just says extern port start/end, protocol, internal port start/end |
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| 15:19.34 | asg | drama831: it should allow you to put the ip address of the internal system as well. |
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| 15:20.46 | drama831 | asg: yes it does. says server ip address. for protocal i choose tcp correct? or should it be tcp/udp? i never really understood the difference |
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| 15:21.49 | deed02392 | how can i specify a port on the built in sftp client of debian? |
| 15:21.57 | deed02392 | ssh is running on 443 |
| 15:22.09 | creature1 | abrotman: and the only desklet i need is broken |
| 15:22.21 | abrotman | creature1: there's probably more than one that does the same thing |
| 15:22.23 | asg | drama831: tcp only for hhtp |
| 15:22.25 | asg | *http |
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| 15:22.33 | creature1 | MultiTail |
| 15:23.08 | creature1 | its the only one |
| 15:24.09 | asg | deed02392: -oPort=443 |
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| 15:24.12 | drama831 | asg: kk. ty. |
| 15:24.26 | deed02392 | thanks asg |
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| 15:26.48 | drama831 | ok it tossed up a warning that since port 80 is used the dsl router webserver will be moved to port 8080. im i worng or does that mean now to access my router config ill have to enter "router ip:8080" |
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| 15:28.53 | asg | drama831: yes |
| 15:29.11 | roadi | my problem is: i cant install any 64 version of debian or ubuntu - everytim all the hash sums are mismatch. so i installed a 32 system and wanna debootstrap my 64 bit system into a seperate partition.... |
| 15:29.24 | roadi | but i cant install the 64bit kernel - i always geht the same error message |
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| 15:29.42 | roadi | and yes it is a 4x 64bit system. |
| 15:29.52 | drama831 | asg: ok ty. exactly what i was thinking. |
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| 15:30.10 | drama831 | brb...gotta reboot router |
| 15:30.55 | jbjohns | Hi. If you run debian without a GUI is the default runlevel 2? |
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| 15:31.20 | jbjohns | My system seems claims to be at runlevel 2 but that surprises me, I expected 3 for no gui and 5 for X11 |
| 15:31.29 | asg | jbjohns: it's always 2 unless you change it for either mode |
| 15:31.34 | jbjohns | aha |
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| 15:32.13 | jbjohns | so what is the order of boot files? /etc/rc2.d/*? Or is it all the rc's before that, e.g. /etc/rc0.d, /etc/rc1.d, /etc/rc2.d ? |
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| 15:33.58 | asg | jbjohns: try the 'System runlevels' section of the Debian Policy Manual for the full details |
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| 16:06.33 | hoohaah | guys, debootstrap has no candidate for testing? |
| 16:06.53 | hoohaah | when i do debootstrap --verbose testing /testing-root http..., it says testing not an option |
| 16:06.54 | themill | hoohaah: if anything, it will have one for squeeze |
| 16:07.23 | hoohaah | themill: hm. i think it does too. the symlink points to sid, though |
| 16:07.41 | hoohaah | is it fine to debootstrap sid, when i want testing only? |
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| 16:08.08 | hoohaah | or do they share same base |
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| 16:09.15 | themill | hoohaah: the config controls what packages are installed and how they are configured, not what mirrors are used |
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| 16:20.53 | atomiku | Alright |
| 16:21.00 | atomiku | I really dont think I should be asking this question but |
| 16:21.03 | atomiku | KDE or GNOME? |
| 16:21.24 | SlayerXP | atomiku: yes. |
| 16:21.25 | asg | neither |
| 16:21.33 | atomiku | I mean, I could even go with XFCE |
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| 16:21.41 | atomiku | I guess it comes down to preference |
| 16:21.42 | maligor | ratpoison! |
| 16:21.49 | atomiku | Unless for instance something like KDE is REEEALLY bad |
| 16:21.50 | asg | atomiku: try them all, find the one you like, enjoy |
| 16:21.53 | atomiku | Yeah |
| 16:21.55 | atomiku | Alright bro |
| 16:22.01 | atomiku | Best advice anyone could give, I guess |
| 16:22.13 | maligor | gnome is a good place to start |
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| 16:22.22 | atomiku | its probably the same as asking "Apples or Oranges?" |
| 16:22.43 | maligor | yeah, it's entirely subjective |
| 16:22.50 | maligor | both are fine DE's |
| 16:23.23 | atomiku | See, I hope to do web development from this laptop i'm installing debian(<3) on |
| 16:23.31 | atomiku | Only problem is i'm usually supplied with PSDs |
| 16:23.35 | ultraj6 | use twm its the best |
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| 16:23.53 | atomiku | I'm praying to the debian god that photoshop cs4 will work with wine |
| 16:24.07 | torgrim | its supposed to work with wine 1.0 and above |
| 16:24.21 | atomiku | Is it wrong that I was actually excited all day at work? |
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| 16:24.25 | atomiku | About going home and installing debian on my laptop |
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| 16:24.52 | atomiku | I'm such a geek -_- |
| 16:24.55 | JPT | being excited has nothing to do with results you'll get ;) |
| 16:24.55 | torgrim | i suspected you where excited because your wife was nakid at home or something ;) |
| 16:25.02 | atomiku | I have no gf/wife yet |
| 16:25.07 | JohnWittle | I have an interesting question |
| 16:25.10 | atomiku | Okay stereotyping aside, I thikn i'm getting a gf soon |
| 16:25.18 | atomiku | which is bad, i'll have no time to code perl :( |
| 16:25.21 | torgrim | atomiku: ebay! |
| 16:25.25 | atomiku | YES! :D |
| 16:25.30 | atomiku | This girl I'm getting with |
| 16:25.33 | torgrim | plastic wife |
| 16:25.34 | torgrim | hehe |
| 16:25.34 | atomiku | I'm comparing her to a transexual |
| 16:25.38 | atomiku | Well, it's a long story |
| 16:25.42 | atomiku | but she looks like this really hot transexual |
| 16:25.45 | torgrim | dosent require any work, money or nothing |
| 16:25.47 | atomiku | linetrap :D |
| 16:25.49 | JPT | JohnWittle: just ask :) |
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| 16:26.16 | atomiku | I think I'm going to give KDE a go. It looks nicer |
| 16:26.28 | atomiku | Besides, applications will work for both, won't they? |
| 16:26.29 | themill | atomiku: kdevelop is a nice environment for doing PHP stuff if that's where you're headed. |
| 16:26.37 | JohnWittle | Right now I have two partitions, / and /home, on my ubuntu box. I have so heavily modified ubuntu that it doesn't resemble anything like what ubuntu is, aesthetically or config-wise. Is it possible to install debian on /, while KEEPING my /home untouched? |
| 16:26.38 | atomiku | It's just the windowing system, etc, yes? |
| 16:26.49 | atomiku | For instance... amarok would work on gnome + KDE and XFCE? |
| 16:26.55 | avu | atomiku, yes |
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| 16:26.58 | atomiku | Excellent |
| 16:27.06 | atomiku | avu: what does amarok use for the GUI again, I forgot |
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| 16:27.17 | avu | atomiku, Qt |
| 16:27.19 | atomiku | ! |
| 16:27.20 | themill | atomiku: correct. But sometimes there is better integration when between applications when you stick to ones designed for the same environment |
| 16:27.22 | JohnWittle | JPT: i was typing :D |
| 16:27.24 | avu | atomiku, (the framework kde uses) |
| 16:27.31 | atomiku | Very nice |
| 16:27.40 | JPT | JohnWittle: should be no problem... you just need to take care when telling the debian installer what partition to use |
| 16:27.51 | atomiku | Looking on deviantart in the screenshots section, it gives me a good idea of what I want |
| 16:28.02 | JohnWittle | JPT: the problem is (and I tried this), when installing debian to /, it overwrites the /home link to my home partition |
| 16:28.07 | atomiku | This is very nice: http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs43/f/2009/124/6/1/618e973b01b12503664eb84fdb8b9a50.png |
| 16:28.09 | devil_angel | atomiku: you can also look up you tube vids on the two DEs |
| 16:28.10 | JohnWittle | and then my file managers get hopelessly confused |
| 16:28.21 | JPT | well... you just need to mount your /home on /home.. |
| 16:28.30 | avu | focusing too much on how your desktop looks can make you forget to focus on the more important thing, which is how it /works/ :) |
| 16:28.48 | JohnWittle | JPT: I don't know enough about filesystems to quite know what you mean |
| 16:28.54 | avu | the thing that makes you productive is not how pretty the icons are |
| 16:28.56 | JohnWittle | The way I understand it now: |
| 16:29.24 | JohnWittle | the directory /home is simply the mountpoint of sdc2 |
| 16:29.33 | JohnWittle | whereas the directory / is the mountpoint of sdc1 |
| 16:29.38 | JohnWittle | oh |
| 16:29.39 | JohnWittle | i see |
| 16:29.40 | JohnWittle | easy |
| 16:29.46 | JohnWittle | thank you for your help, JPT! |
| 16:29.50 | themill | avu: a poorly thought out set of icons that cause cognitive conflict, however, can reduce productivity significantly. |
| 16:30.00 | JPT | no problem :) |
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| 16:30.17 | avu | themill, true |
| 16:30.53 | nan8 | text is always superior to icons ;-P |
| 16:31.01 | JohnWittle | Holy shit atomiku is that really what KDE4 looks like? |
| 16:31.11 | atomiku | yes, it's come a long way |
| 16:31.14 | atomiku | TBH i hated KDE3 |
| 16:31.19 | JohnWittle | I haven't looked at kde since kubuntu 6.04 |
| 16:31.22 | atomiku | KDE4 almost makes me climax |
| 16:31.27 | atomiku | :3 |
| 16:31.35 | ultraj6 | lol |
| 16:31.47 | JPT | i didn't like kde4 when i tried it 4 months ago |
| 16:31.59 | avu | I still don't get how anyone can be productive without a tiling WM :) |
| 16:32.01 | atomiku | JPT: how long did you spend with it? |
| 16:32.09 | atomiku | It may have been the same case I had with vista |
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| 16:32.12 | atomiku | WHen I tried vista, i hated it |
| 16:32.20 | ultraj6 | why waste system resources on rendering such pretty UI |
| 16:32.20 | atomiku | But giving it a PROPER chance, i grew to like it |
| 16:32.27 | fxiny | avu: are you provoking me ? ;) |
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| 16:32.35 | atomiku | Well, if you've got the resources int he first place, it isn't as bad I guess |
| 16:32.48 | avu | fxiny, I thought you were a tiling-WM-user too? |
| 16:33.08 | JPT | i spend almost 3-5 hours installing it.. |
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| 16:33.21 | JPT | and after 10-20 minutes of trying, i started hating it^^ |
| 16:33.23 | themill | ultraj6: it doesn't take any more resources to render a pretty UI or an ugly UI (unless you're comparing it to a tty) |
| 16:33.23 | fxiny | avu: yes , xmonad , i ain't seen an icon in months |
| 16:33.37 | JPT | it looks worse than vista |
| 16:33.51 | avu | fxiny, so how is it provoking for you to say that tiling WMs make you more productive? :) |
| 16:33.57 | ultraj6 | i would assume making windows transparent uses more resources than having non transparent windows |
| 16:34.20 | atomiku | I <3 debian |
| 16:34.25 | avu | ultraj6, as long as the GPU handles the transparency, that isn't really true |
| 16:34.28 | atomiku | I cant wait to have it up and running on ma lappie |
| 16:36.17 | rudi_s | fxiny: Just curious, have you ever tried stumpwm? If yes, is xmonad (much) better? |
| 16:36.29 | fxiny | avu: beacsue i don't want to be "verbose" here ;) |
| 16:36.40 | JohnWittle | okay, let me make sure I have this set |
| 16:36.59 | avu | fxiny, heh |
| 16:38.08 | fxiny | rudi_s: yes, i've tryed all tilings . xmonad is fantastic , very addictive , huge contrib docs |
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| 16:39.22 | rudi_s | fxiny: Nice, is it also easy to use if somebody can't write Haskel? |
| 16:39.36 | rudi_s | (I mean configuration files, etc.) |
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| 16:39.54 | avu | rudi_s, not if you want to do complicated things |
| 16:39.58 | johnwittle | am I muted or something? |
| 16:39.58 | johnwittle | hm |
| 16:40.03 | johnwittle | no, guess message size was too long |
| 16:40.10 | johnwittle | although it did not give an error message |
| 16:40.18 | avu | rudi_s, if you want a pretty simple/standard config or are happy just copying frome someone else's, it's ok |
| 16:40.45 | johnwittle | So here is what I'm going to do, someone tell me if it'll mess up anything (like I won't be able to log in) |
| 16:40.49 | avu | rudi_s, to me the configuration language was a huge turnoff and the reason I returned to wmii |
| 16:41.01 | johnwittle | current setup: / is ubuntu install, /home is mountpoint for my home partition |
| 16:41.03 | rudi_s | avu: Okay, thanks. |
| 16:41.16 | avu | rudi_s, YMMV of course |
| 16:41.19 | rudi_s | avu: I will try it .. if it doesn't work I will stay with stumowm. |
| 16:41.23 | fxiny | rudi_s: no need to learn haskell to start with xmonad , just going through the huge examples collection is enough , is intuitive . i have two haskell books in my todo list |
| 16:41.32 | johnwittle | i'm going to install debian onto /. it'll create a /home folder within /. I'll delete everything in that and set it to mount my home partition into /home on boot. |
| 16:42.09 | johnwittle | if my user is named the same as it was in ubuntu, will ~/ correctly link to /home/lol? |
| 16:42.12 | rudi_s | fxiny: Thanks, will try xmonad .. I know the feeling, started Lisp because of Stumpwm ^^ |
| 16:42.24 | avu | johnwittle, even if you mess up, you will still be able to log in as root to fix things |
| 16:42.33 | johnwittle | Okay |
| 16:42.35 | avu | johnwittle, (as root's HOME is /root, ie not under /home) |
| 16:42.38 | johnwittle | I guess the only question I have is |
| 16:42.49 | johnwittle | what chance is there of my home partition being wiped? |
| 16:42.55 | johnwittle | if I am careful in gparted? |
| 16:42.57 | asg | johnwittle: that's fine but a few things to keep in mind. 1) don't let debian format the /home partition. 2) some .config files in $HOME may not work depending on the version of Debian / version of Ubuntu. 3) backups are recommended just in case. |
| 16:43.08 | johnwittle | already have the entire disk backed up |
| 16:43.17 | fxiny | rudi_s: oh lisp ? you might like haskell then |
| 16:43.34 | at0m | johnwittle, then there's nothing to worry about :) |
| 16:43.37 | johnwittle | kk :D |
| 16:43.46 | johnwittle | expect to see me in here when the install fucks up and I can't log in |
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| 16:43.51 | rudi_s | fxiny: We'll see ^^. Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 16:44.08 | fxiny | rudi_s: np |
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| 16:47.24 | epsas | eek - how do i specify the default distribution for aptitude? |
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| 16:47.47 | epsas | in apt.conf... I have "testing" "unstable" and "stable" repositories listed in my sources.list |
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| 16:50.50 | atomiku | hello again debian |
| 16:50.51 | atomiku | May I ask |
| 16:50.55 | atomiku | what is best way to install KDE4 |
| 16:51.10 | atomiku | enable sid on apt, and apt-get install kde-minimal? |
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| 16:52.57 | maligor | I wouldn't do that |
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| 16:53.07 | stew | atomiku: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:53.14 | atomiku | 5 bro |
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| 16:53.52 | stew | atomiku: then no, you should not be installing packages from sid. mixing a released version with testing/unstable is discouraged and not supported |
| 16:53.57 | atomiku | alright |
| 16:53.58 | atomiku | no sid |
| 16:54.02 | atomiku | just experimental. is that okay? |
| 16:54.10 | stew | no |
| 16:54.12 | stew | that's worse |
| 16:54.13 | atomiku | Bugger :3 |
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| 16:54.26 | atomiku | Alright. Are there any tutorials to install a base install of kde4 you recommend? |
| 16:54.31 | atomiku | I have different tutorials telling me different things :( |
| 16:54.45 | stew | atomiku: you can try kde4.debian.net |
| 16:55.06 | stew | atomiku: any tutorial that tells you to install sid/experimental packages onto lenny should be disregarded, that's bad advice |
| 16:55.15 | atomiku | Alright sir :) |
| 16:55.52 | atomiku | 580MB of packages to get, woo :) |
| 16:56.00 | atomiku | Thank virgin for my 10mbit connection |
| 16:59.06 | Hydroxide | 10Mbit uplinks are nice. my office's main net connection is one. |
| 16:59.59 | ranix | I used to have a 10mb wan |
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| 17:00.05 | ranix | wait |
| 17:00.07 | ranix | 30mb |
| 17:00.11 | ranix | damn yeah it was 30mb |
| 17:00.20 | ranix | that set me back $100/mo |
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| 17:00.33 | ranix | split it with my buddy across the hall though |
| 17:00.34 | _abc_ | anyone knows why a fstab entry with -t auto does not mount udf but does iso9660 ? |
| 17:00.48 | ranix | whoops, this isn't #debian-offtopic. |
| 17:01.10 | _abc_ | ranix: it seems to be now ? |
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| 17:02.14 | epsilon | #debian-offtopic <-- isn't that an oxymoron? |
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| 17:04.06 | abrotman | no |
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| 17:07.33 | thijs` | hi all |
| 17:07.48 | _abc_ | wtf controls udf automounting ?! |
| 17:08.16 | _abc_ | i have a fstab line that does iso9660 fine but udf won't. it has -t auto. what gives ? |
| 17:08.57 | rvsjoen | im trying to install lenny on a dell poweredge server, after successfully installing when it tries to boot it just stops while waiting for the root device |
| 17:09.20 | rvsjoen | I tried booting with rootdelay=10 thinking maybe the drives were not ready without any luck |
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| 17:10.25 | thomax | argl. when will we get a working svn in unstable? |
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| 17:12.16 | abrotman | thomax: if you want working software, don't use unstable |
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| 17:13.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not true! |
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| 17:13.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you want working software in unstable, fix all the bugs and report bugs with attached patches |
| 17:13.53 | thomax | you mean if i want to work with stale software with old bugs? |
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| 17:14.37 | themill | Alternatively, you can just join #debian and complain that the "unstable" distribution has *horror* bugs. |
| 17:14.54 | abrotman | that's totally useful |
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| 17:15.20 | themill | Of course it is! How could that not be a worthwhile thing to do for everyone? |
| 17:15.28 | thomax | yepp, another alternative is to switch to arch or gentoo and tell all others to do the same.. |
| 17:16.03 | abrotman | or fix your broken software |
| 17:16.17 | themill | thomax: so, let me check here. You have so far: (a) checked the BTS to see if it's a known bug (b) filed a bug in the BTS if not and (c) attached a patch solving the problem to your bug report, no? |
| 17:16.45 | thomax | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=531338 |
| 17:17.11 | thomax | you mean this, or what? |
| 17:17.23 | abrotman | it says it is fixed |
| 17:17.33 | themill | thomax: htf should we know? all you've done is complain without telling us what's wrong? |
| 17:17.40 | thomax | subversion is such an important package |
| 17:17.43 | thomax | it's not fixed |
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| 17:17.47 | spiff | rvsjoen: check grub menu and fstab for hdx or sdx entries and try it with the other one |
| 17:17.55 | abrotman | thomax: so did you append the bug and say it's not fixed? |
| 17:18.18 | stew | "This is known and fixed in unstable" |
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| 17:18.26 | thomax | no, i came here, to the informed community |
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| 17:19.11 | themill | thomax: have you checked that you have the right versions of neon installed? |
| 17:19.19 | rvsjoen | spiff: the installer some times gets it wrong ? |
| 17:19.37 | spiff | rvsjoen: mine did |
| 17:19.41 | rvsjoen | interesting |
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| 17:20.17 | hoohaah | svn? i know nuzzin! |
| 17:20.34 | thomax | the advertised version (0.28.4-2) is not in the repository |
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| 17:21.23 | themill | a newer version is, however |
| 17:21.31 | abrotman | judd: verions libneon27 |
| 17:21.32 | judd | abrotman: Error: "verions" is not a valid command. |
| 17:21.36 | abrotman | judd: versions libneon27 |
| 17:21.37 | judd | abrotman: libneon27 -- lenny: 0.28.2-6.1 sid: 0.28.4-1 squeeze: 0.28.4-1 |
| 17:21.53 | abrotman | even though that doesn't match pdo .. cute |
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| 17:22.00 | abrotman | sid (unstable) (libs): An HTTP and WebDAV client library |
| 17:22.00 | abrotman | 0.28.4-2: alpha amd64 armel hppa ia64 mips powerpc s390 |
| 17:22.17 | themill | judd versions libneon27 --arch amd64 |
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| 17:22.18 | judd | themill: libneon27 -- lenny: 0.28.2-6.1 squeeze: 0.28.4-1 sid: 0.28.4-2 |
| 17:22.31 | themill | the i386 autobuilders seem to be struggling of late |
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| 17:22.54 | abrotman | gets out to push |
| 17:23.14 | hoohaah | get out of what, and to push what?! |
| 17:23.22 | themill | to be fair, it was only uploaded yesterday |
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| 17:23.36 | thomax | yes, i'm fair. |
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| 17:24.25 | themill | thomax: so you're whinging and complaining about a bug that was only found yesterday and a fix has already been uploaded? Feel free to do your own recompilation of neon if that's all that's holding you back here. |
| 17:24.47 | thomax | i don't come here and curse out loud. i just like to know whats up there. and such an important package for developers should work. and you can't tell me to use a incompatible old version of svn which will not work with current servers. |
| 17:24.56 | hoohaah | as i'm using debootstrap, i've nowhere to select timezone. which dpkg-reconfigure should I do? |
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| 17:25.22 | themill | thomax: err... you can mix svn versions quite happily |
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| 17:26.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, by all means switch distribution... we all like a good laugh, and someone reinstalling his machine because a bug was not fixed withing two days will amuse me immensly |
| 17:26.15 | thomax | themill: have you ever seen this: svn: This client is too old to work with working copy '.'; please get a newer Subversion client |
| 17:26.26 | stew | thomax: 0.28.4-2 is in the repository: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libneon27 |
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| 17:27.21 | ootput | CutMeOwnThroat: what if your wacom tablet doesn't work? |
| 17:27.31 | hoohaah | ootput: buy Windows |
| 17:27.31 | themill | thomax: that's only your working copy, that has nothing to do with the server. You've taken a checkout using one version of svn and used an older version of svn on it. |
| 17:28.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ootput, then it'd be broken? |
| 17:29.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or lazy |
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| 17:34.28 | neuro_damage | is there a there a tool in debian for runlevel stuff? |
| 17:34.40 | neuro_damage | similar to redhat's chkconfig or gentoos rc-status |
| 17:34.44 | neuro_damage | rc-* |
| 17:35.25 | avu | neuro_damage, depending on what those tools do, you might be looking for invoke-rc.d or update-rc.d |
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| 17:38.26 | rvsjoen | isnt there something called sysv-rc-conf or something ? |
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| 17:38.46 | neuro_damage | avu: edit what's in what run level |
| 17:39.19 | rvsjoen | spiff: anyway, I bootet a debian cd in rescue mode and both grub and fstab tries to load /dev/sdb3, which should be correct |
| 17:39.53 | atomiku | Hmm.. cant get my intel 3945abg wireless card working. I installed firmware-iwlwifi etc. iwlist wlan0 scan gives me: "Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down" |
| 17:41.13 | atomiku | looks like I needed to do ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 17:41.59 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:42.08 | avu | neuro_damage, you may want to have a look at sysv-rc-conf then |
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| 17:42.23 | bododo | hi folks! :) |
| 17:42.32 | spiff | rvsjoen: i didnt looked deeper into it, but my system wants hdx and anytime an update writes into the menu.lst, ive to fix it again |
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| 17:42.56 | spiff | does it work now? |
| 17:43.13 | themill | atomiku: you're running lenny aren't you? |
| 17:43.17 | atomiku | Indeed :) |
| 17:43.18 | atomiku | 5.0 |
| 17:43.28 | bododo | I don't know what I did wrong but when trying to install a package with apt-get, it tells me that I should run apt-get -f install. I tried it and it's warning me that tons of packages will be removed!! more than 300! |
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| 17:43.40 | bododo | how can I fix this situation? |
| 17:43.52 | themill | atomiku: iwl3945 supports that card quite happily with tools like networkmanager if you want to use it. You may want to "modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl3945" first. |
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| 17:44.20 | fxiny | wasn't ugly buggy ncurses sysvconfig by redhat ? |
| 17:44.35 | atomiku | themill: I'm using KDE4 |
| 17:44.38 | bododo | is there something new in debian repos themselves, or is it just me? |
| 17:44.43 | atomiku | themill: I thikn kwifimanager is just broken orsomething |
| 17:44.50 | themill | atomiku: with lenny? |
| 17:45.16 | themill | atomiku: network-manager-kde is much better than kwifimanager although I'm not sure how well it will work with kde4 |
| 17:46.01 | rvsjoen | spiff: i'm doing another install, this time choosing "generic" instead of "targeted" initrd |
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| 17:46.33 | fxiny | rvsjoen: yes , sysvconfig is still avaiable |
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| 17:46.36 | atomiku | themill: i can give it a try now :) |
| 17:46.49 | maligor | you can also use the gnome network-manager in kde4 |
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| 17:47.07 | stew | bododo: show us what you are seeing ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin ; alsa show us the output of "apt-cache policy pacakgename" for the package you were trying to install |
| 17:47.25 | bododo | it keeps on telling me: E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. |
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| 17:47.39 | stew | bododo: show us the entire output |
| 17:47.45 | stew | use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:47.48 | bododo | stew: ok, :) |
| 17:48.06 | themill | atomiku: also beware of the "kill switch" for that card as it can lead to confusing results. (and make sure you do that modprobe cycle I suggested if you have only just downloaded the firmware) /msg dpkg killswitch |
| 17:49.19 | spiff | rvsjoen: have you tried changing the entries? good luck |
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| 17:49.45 | atomiku | themill: network-manager-kde worked nicely :) |
| 17:49.53 | themill | \o/ |
| 17:50.08 | bododo | it's a little bit hard using only elinks, irssi and screen, but I'll do it stew :) |
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| 17:50.40 | njk- | question RE: RAID1 and LVM |
| 17:51.05 | themill | bododo: if you have netcat installed, you can pipe output to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234" |
| 17:51.17 | njk- | is it bad to have an LV dedicated for swap? |
| 17:51.25 | bododo | themill: thanks! |
| 17:51.29 | asg | njk-: no |
| 17:51.44 | njk- | and second, will mirroring that LV hurt system performance? |
| 17:52.20 | bododo | stew and themill here it is: http://pastebin.com/m7669cb87 |
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| 17:52.40 | asg | njk-: it shouldn't be perceptible |
| 17:52.46 | njk- | ok |
| 17:52.59 | bododo | I actually have the same output when I try: apt-get install awesome |
| 17:53.03 | njk- | i think i want to do LVM in case i need to resize partitions later on |
| 17:53.19 | njk- | but am trying to determine if i really should or not :-) |
| 17:53.23 | stew | bododo: what does "apt-cache policy awesome" say for "Installed:" and "Candidate:"? |
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| 17:53.38 | asg | njk-: consider it a fun experiment |
| 17:53.46 | njk- | yes, indeed |
| 17:53.53 | bododo | stew: will see... got to say that it's my first debian. I was a fedorista |
| 17:53.54 | njk- | this will be a development system anyway |
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| 17:54.08 | njk- | thx for your opinions asg :-) |
| 17:54.17 | asg | njk-: you're welcome. Good luck. |
| 17:55.14 | bododo | stew: here's what it says: http://pastebin.com/m64d0981a |
| 17:55.58 | stew | judd: versions awesome |
| 17:55.59 | judd | stew: awesome -- etch-backports: 2.3.3-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.3.3-1 squeeze: 3.2.1-1 sid: 3.3~rc4-1 |
| 17:56.11 | bododo | I confess, yesterday, I wanted to upgrade awesome using dpk -i but gave up because of multiple dependencies |
| 17:56.14 | stew | bododo: so the problem is that you are running unstable, but your sources.list is pointing at stable |
| 17:56.26 | bododo | stew: aha! |
| 17:56.35 | bododo | so how can I fix this? |
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| 17:56.52 | stew | bododo: if you only instaleed the one package, then you might try fixing this with "aptitude install awesome=2.3.3-1" to force this package to downgrade |
| 17:57.12 | stew | bododo: but in the future you should not try to mix stable with testing/unstable, instead use a backport: /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:58.23 | epsas | hmm |
| 17:58.54 | bododo | stew: ok, thanks again! Lesson VERY learned :) |
| 17:59.10 | bododo | so, is awesome in backports? |
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| 18:00.05 | bododo | great the system is now better, when I run apt-get upgrade it's empty now |
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| 18:02.17 | kolpur | i'm unable to run my php script embeded in iceweasel browser ... what may be the problem ? |
| 18:02.34 | maligor | oh cool, awesome is a xcb based wm |
| 18:02.39 | kolpur | http://pastebin.com/m71ad8ad1 |
| 18:02.50 | kolpur | here is my html file with php embeded |
| 18:02.55 | mogunus | Hello. I am on lenny, and I am having a problem with kpdf. I prefer kpdf to evince (it scrolls faster) but it displays oddly: the sizes of certain characters in words are irregular and the heights of the characters do not line up. (I am looking at the same pdf, side-by-side in evince and kpdf). This is strange, since xpdf displays properly, like evince does. What should I do? |
| 18:02.59 | nkuttler | kolpur: browsers don't run php, a web server does |
| 18:03.37 | nkuttler | !tell kolpur about install php |
| 18:03.53 | kolpur | then if i want to run my php script .. how to do that .. |
| 18:04.00 | kolpur | without browser |
| 18:04.22 | nkuttler | kolpur: php5-cli |
| 18:04.22 | maligor | you can use the php-cli |
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| 18:05.14 | kolpur | i have installed it .. but when i said php5-cli test.php .. i'm getting an error message saying command not found |
| 18:05.35 | maligor | it's probably just 'php' or 'php5' |
| 18:05.40 | nkuttler | kolpur: that's because the binary is not called php5-cli, type php and then the tab key |
| 18:06.04 | bododo | hum... silly question time... I'm sending /msg dpkg backports and I don't see a reply in irssi |
| 18:06.20 | nkuttler | bododo: try alt+number keys |
| 18:06.21 | bododo | is it irssi, or just -as usual- me? |
| 18:06.56 | bododo | nkuttler: BIG! thanks! :) |
| 18:07.09 | bododo | learns a byte everyday |
| 18:07.19 | nkuttler | bododo: you should probably read some intro to irssi, it's quite powerful |
| 18:08.07 | bododo | nkuttler: I usually use /nick /channel /j /part /quit ... |
| 18:08.26 | bododo | but I bet that there's tons to learn, isn't it? |
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| 18:08.40 | nkuttler | bododo: http://irssi.org/documentation/startup etc |
| 18:08.58 | bododo | thanks! :) |
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| 18:09.49 | bododo | btw, when I search backports, http://packages.debian.org doesn't work |
| 18:10.02 | bododo | the site times out |
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| 18:10.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course there is... there's \ignore |
| 18:11.07 | dhendrix | compiler question: When using make-kpkg with --arch=i386, it attempts to use i486-linux-gnu-gcc. Where is the compiler profile set so I can switch it to i686-linux-gnu-gcc? |
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| 18:12.00 | nkuttler | dhendrix: i think you can set the CC env variable etc. should be in the man page. |
| 18:12.42 | jpinx | anyone know how to recover the white font in my terminal emulator after it went to blue when I was debugging a gui application |
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| 18:13.28 | bododo | anyone can use http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=packages or is it just me? |
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| 18:13.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, "reset"? |
| 18:13.39 | dhendrix | jpinx: try the "reset" command |
| 18:13.39 | bododo | The search doesn't work for me :( |
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| 18:14.47 | jpinx | thanks CutMeOwnThroat and dhendrix :) |
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| 18:17.20 | dolohov_ | what kernel is included in the debian sarge 3.1r8 release? |
| 18:17.35 | asg | dolohov_: 2.6.8 |
| 18:17.39 | bododo | how do I know if a package is available in backports? |
| 18:17.52 | bododo | the web form definitely doesn't work for me :( |
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| 18:18.23 | asg | dolohov_: and 2.4.32 |
| 18:18.30 | asg | er 2.4.27 |
| 18:18.33 | dolohov_ | asg: thanks. |
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| 18:18.44 | flexy | is there a command that will keep executing forever, without taking cpu at all? It's for keeping script from ending... |
| 18:18.47 | nkuttler | bododo: works fine here |
| 18:18.50 | dolohov_ | 2.4.27 is rather recent ... |
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| 18:18.59 | asg | flexy: yes |
| 18:19.00 | nkuttler | flexy: hm, cron? |
| 18:19.22 | dolohov_ | er, *.37 |
| 18:19.22 | bododo | nkuttler: :( can you searcg for awesome for me, please? |
| 18:19.31 | flexy | asg: what might that be? |
| 18:19.37 | bododo | s/searcg/search |
| 18:19.42 | nkuttler | bododo: Sorry, your search gave no results |
| 18:19.46 | asg | flexy: it's called 'yes' but it might take more cpu that you like. |
| 18:20.12 | bododo | nkuttler: so, it's not in backports, yet, right? |
| 18:20.17 | bla | (Just had strange issue after upgrading to newest 2.6.26-2-686; kernel paniced in something like avc_no_audit during interface configuration with selinux=1 (with selinux=0 not) downgrade to 2.6.26-1-686 'fixed' issue) |
| 18:20.30 | flexy | asg: ok... best would be if it would not take cpu, just to keep the script from ending |
| 18:20.39 | nkuttler | flexy: i think you'd rather want a loop + sleep |
| 18:21.23 | hoohaah | any of you running radeonhd from unstable on your testing box? |
| 18:21.25 | flexy | nkuttler: that might be it. sleep for one hour, that perhaps does not take cpu too much... |
| 18:21.36 | nkuttler | flexy: and that's what we have cron for |
| 18:21.39 | hoohaah | i'd like to pm you |
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| 18:24.49 | dolohov_ | the gcc version made available to 3.1r8 is 3.3.5, is this the same on other prior releases of sarge? |
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| 18:24.55 | dolohov_ | asg |
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| 18:25.31 | kolpur | can someone tell me whats wrong in this code .. http://pastebin.com/d4051879c |
| 18:25.47 | nkuttler | kolpur: #php |
| 18:26.46 | asg | dolohov_: should be. The version would not have changed in stable. |
| 18:26.51 | ranix | kolpur: are you getting an error? |
| 18:26.57 | kolpur | ya .. |
| 18:27.02 | ranix | kolpur: also next time ask in #debian-offtopic plz |
| 18:27.09 | dolohov_ | asg: I didn't think so, just checking. |
| 18:27.42 | ranix | kolpur: and help me help you. I'd rather not have to ask obvious questions like "what's the error" |
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| 18:29.04 | ranix | and encapsulate your while loop in curly braces |
| 18:30.02 | ranix | oh he left |
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| 18:32.24 | yrahan | Hello every body, I'm a total newbie in both english and linux :) I've installed ubuntu jaunty jackalope (9.04) in dual boot with windows XP, and sound never worked under linux. I've gone trough many tutorials and wikis, and tried many things... but nothing worked :( I fined a script that make all my carateristics on a web site to make it easier :) http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=d616c6ebc732f9772bb87513ca440f315892310b can someone |
| 18:32.40 | ranix | !ububtu |
| 18:32.44 | ranix | !ubuntu |
| 18:32.45 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 18:32.59 | ranix | yrahan: I don't know what posesses someone to ask #debian why their ubuntu installation doesn't work |
| 18:33.20 | ranix | yrahan: do you have a package that automatically joins #debian in freenode? |
| 18:33.38 | ranix | wouldn't put it past their sloppy package maintenance |
| 18:34.03 | yrahan | ranix: cause same problem apears when I tried to install Lenny, but, don't bother, sorry |
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| 18:35.02 | steven | heh, im trying to install a few things which are BROKEN (its own caps, not mine) |
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| 18:35.08 | steven | sudo aptitude install postfix telnet mailx |
| 18:35.20 | steven | is this a known issue? better yet, is it ok to move forward? |
| 18:36.10 | asg | steven: pastebin the entire output of the error and what it is you are doing. |
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| 18:36.59 | steven | ok |
| 18:37.28 | steven | http://75.49.209.178:8081/E5F08/pastebin.com |
| 18:37.39 | macrobat | where do i put the libflashplayer.so flash plugin for iceweasel? |
| 18:37.48 | steven | ugh |
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| 18:40.00 | salvin | macrobat, in ~/.mozilla/plugins |
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| 18:41.23 | macrobat | ok, i'll makedir it, thanks |
| 18:42.19 | salvin | macrobat, there aren't that dir? |
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| 18:45.16 | rvsjoen | whats the name of that command to have apt automatically configure the repositories ? |
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| 18:45.39 | rvsjoen | thought it was apt-setup but I dont have that |
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| 18:45.50 | asg | rvsjoen: apt-setup went away a long time ago |
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| 18:46.00 | asg | rvsjoen: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 18:46.02 | macrobat | salvin, flash works |
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| 18:46.52 | rvsjoen | sure, but the installer still does it ? do there must be a way to invoke it |
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| 18:48.49 | asg | there isn't. |
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| 18:51.46 | hoohaah | how do i get fglrx driver (for r700 chipset) on squeeze for a custom kernel built from source? |
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| 18:53.00 | hoohaah | or, say i fetch unstable kernel, can i still build fglrx on that? |
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| 18:53.36 | greycat | The procedure shouldn't change. You need the header files that you got when you built the kernel, plus whatever source packages etc. |
| 18:54.38 | hoohaah | greycat: are the headers someting I'd obtain from kernel.org site? |
| 18:54.45 | hoohaah | or is this a debian package? |
| 18:54.57 | greycat | If you use a Debian kernel image, then the headers are in a package with the same name, just replacing linux-image with linux-headers. |
| 18:55.10 | hoohaah | yeah, i built from source at site |
| 18:55.11 | greycat | If you built your own kernel, they're in the source directory or something. |
| 18:55.19 | hoohaah | oh |
| 18:55.55 | hoohaah | greycat: do you think it's okay (after apt-pinning) to use kernel image, header, and fglrx from unstable on squeeze? |
| 18:56.07 | hoohaah | or will this affect xorg somehow too? |
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| 18:56.20 | greycat | My guess would be that it's OK, but I don't know for sure. |
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| 18:56.35 | kojil | dudes, after hours in this, i still can't get virtualization to work at all on debian squeeze |
| 18:56.37 | kojil | fresh install |
| 18:56.47 | kojil | can somebody help me? |
| 18:57.53 | kojil | even installing virtualbox is a problem |
| 18:58.11 | kojil | installing it through aptitude gets me to this: /dev/vboxdrv not working |
| 18:58.27 | kojil | on a fresh install; i have checked forums, mailing lists , bug reports |
| 18:58.31 | kojil | i am kind of worn out |
| 18:58.55 | hoohaah | only 2.6.27 + kernels support ext4, right? in debian at least |
| 18:59.57 | bzed | kojil: does the device exist? |
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| 19:00.37 | bzed | kojil: if the virtualbox modules are not loaded yet, have a look at /etc/default/virtualbox-ose |
| 19:00.40 | kojil | bzed: no; and i don't know how to create it |
| 19:00.53 | bzed | kojil: load the modules :) |
| 19:01.15 | kojil | bzed: LOAD_VBOXDRV_MODULE=0 |
| 19:01.20 | kojil | that's what that file has |
| 19:01.41 | bzed | make that 1 and /etc/init.d/virtualbox-ose restart |
| 19:01.44 | greycat | sounds like something you'd want to edit |
| 19:02.15 | kojil | ok guys sec |
| 19:02.32 | kojil | Stopping VirtualBox kernel module...done. Starting VirtualBox kernel module...failed. |
| 19:02.42 | kojil | after setting that to 1 |
| 19:03.02 | kojil | :( |
| 19:03.03 | bzed | kojil: look in your syslog why it failed |
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| 19:03.30 | bzed | kojil: do you have the kvm modules loaded? |
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| 19:04.05 | mohan_ | hi.. |
| 19:04.13 | kojil | lsmod | grep vbox gives out nothing |
| 19:04.19 | mohan_ | does debian have kernel-RT? |
| 19:04.23 | kojil | modprobe vboxdrv results to a not found error |
| 19:04.36 | kojil | and virtualbox-ose-modules for the kernel is installed |
| 19:04.39 | kojil | 64bit debian |
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| 19:04.59 | kojil | i need a break before i take the axe and destroy the pc |
| 19:05.07 | bzed | kojil: then they're not installed :) |
| 19:05.27 | kojil | bzed: if they are not installed, then what does actually install them here |
| 19:05.45 | bzed | kojil: m-a a-i virtualbox-ose |
| 19:05.52 | bzed | kojil: that should alwasy work |
| 19:05.53 | mohan_ | i mean Realtime kernel? |
| 19:06.06 | kojil | bzed: where do i put that? |
| 19:06.09 | bzed | mohan_: not yet, but people are working on it afaik |
| 19:06.18 | mohan_ | oh.. |
| 19:06.32 | bzed | kojil: into a root console? |
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| 19:06.53 | mohan_ | i have a ubuntu studio 9.04.. can u suggest me where to get RT kernel? |
| 19:06.54 | bzed | kojil: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 19:07.00 | tom_de_tom | HI all |
| 19:07.02 | tom_de_tom | I need some help |
| 19:07.03 | bzed | kojil: in case you don't have it installed. |
| 19:07.03 | mohan_ | the kernel in repository is problamatic.. |
| 19:07.03 | kojil | ok |
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| 19:07.06 | bzed | mohan_: no. |
| 19:07.09 | tom_de_tom | I have a debian VPS running postfix |
| 19:07.15 | bzed | mohan_: goto #ubuntu |
| 19:07.24 | mohan_ | bzed: no response.. |
| 19:07.26 | tom_de_tom | and I have loads of connection attempts what looks like trying to connect and guess my access passwords |
| 19:07.31 | tom_de_tom | [::ffff:88.80.96.42] |
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| 19:07.33 | mohan_ | bzed: thanx anyway.. |
| 19:07.33 | tom_de_tom | Jun 1 06:44:08 strongbow pop3d: Disconnected, ip=[::ffff:88.80.96.42] |
| 19:07.37 | bzed | mohan_: then don't use ubuntu :) |
| 19:07.44 | tom_de_tom | Jun 1 06:44:08 strongbow pop3d: Connection, ip=[::ffff:88.80.96.42] |
| 19:07.50 | kojil | bzed: it is doing something alright |
| 19:07.51 | bzed | !tell mohan_ about ubuntu |
| 19:07.55 | tom_de_tom | Jun 1 06:44:08 strongbow pop3d: LOGIN FAILED, user=mabry, ip=[::ffff:88.80.96.42] |
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| 19:07.55 | tom_de_tom | Jun 1 06:44:13 strongbow pop3d: LOGIN FAILED, user=machelle, ip=[::ffff:88.80.96.42] |
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| 19:08.18 | mohan_ | bzed: yes sir.. i know.. |
| 19:08.23 | tom_de_tom | sorry |
| 19:08.27 | greycat | tom_de_tom: so, what did you want us to do about it? |
| 19:08.36 | kojil | bzed: if i were a woman i would have your babies |
| 19:08.40 | tom_de_tom | do u know how I can adda IP to a block? |
| 19:08.44 | bzed | mohan_: especially when I see their kernel packaging, I need to run away... |
| 19:08.48 | greycat | tom_de_tom: #iptables |
| 19:08.58 | kojil | you wouldn't happen to know how to fix vmware as well for comparison or i am pushing it here :) |
| 19:09.02 | mohan_ | bzed: yeah.. right.. |
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| 19:09.11 | Brandon_ | mkeil: What do you want? |
| 19:09.19 | mohan_ | bzed: need to learn myself compiling kernel.. |
| 19:09.31 | Myth` | Is there a way to easily backup/restore the base system? I'm new to linux and it seems I'm installing from the CD every other day after I screw something up. Since the machine is offsite some times it's hard for me to get out there with school/work. |
| 19:09.42 | bzed | kojil: use the open-vm stuff instead of their closed source crap |
| 19:09.48 | greycat | Why are you reinstalling? |
| 19:09.55 | kojil | bzed: i would love to use KVM if possible |
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| 19:10.05 | kojil | but i don't know how to setup the network access there :/ |
| 19:10.14 | bzed | kojil: apt-get install open-vm-tools; m-a a-i open-vm |
| 19:10.17 | kojil | so i thought of starting with something more approachable |
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| 19:10.25 | kojil | bzed: that will install kvm ? |
| 19:10.28 | bzed | kojil: no |
| 19:10.36 | Myth` | greycat: Assuming you're talking to me. I guess it's more of an anal retentive thing. |
| 19:10.41 | bzed | kojil: that were the open vm gues modules :) |
| 19:10.54 | bzed | kojil: there are a lot of howtos for setting up kvm |
| 19:11.04 | bzed | kojil: you probably want to use the tools around libvirt |
| 19:11.08 | kojil | open vm guest modules ... meaning? |
| 19:11.16 | kojil | i just launched that on the system lol |
| 19:11.17 | kojil | :) |
| 19:11.35 | bzed | kojil: you only need the guest modules if you machine is runing on a ESX server or similar ;) |
| 19:11.42 | kojil | right |
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| 19:12.22 | kojil | ok so open-vm tools are guest modules |
| 19:12.23 | kojil | got it |
| 19:12.58 | zl_benson | Is anyone familiar with a degraded software RAID? |
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| 19:15.26 | zl_benson | I ran a "mdadm --detail /dev/md0", and the results showed this: |
| 19:15.26 | zl_benson | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.26 | zl_benson | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.26 | zl_benson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:15.36 | anewbie | hey guys me again ... that i have dont working lan adapter |
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| 19:15.52 | anewbie | syslog says not compatible C+ chip |
| 19:15.56 | anewbie | try 8139too |
| 19:16.00 | anewbie | i have it |
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| 19:16.01 | anewbie | dont work |
| 19:16.07 | anewbie | dmesg shows linkk down |
| 19:16.19 | anewbie | any other suggestions exept new kernel ? |
| 19:16.37 | greycat | anewbie: what version of Debian, what kernel, and what NIC? |
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| 19:17.14 | anewbie | debian lenny 2.6.26 VIA Rhine II |
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| 19:18.05 | peppe | why 8139too then? it should be handled by via-rhine |
| 19:18.09 | streuner | !hcl |
| 19:18.10 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>. |
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| 19:18.28 | greycat | Yeah, 8139 sounds like the wrong driver to me too. |
| 19:19.21 | anewbie | hmm |
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| 19:19.49 | anewbie | verry strange |
| 19:20.00 | anewbie | eth0 is RealTek RTL8139 |
| 19:20.08 | anewbie | and i cant reicve connection on it too |
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| 19:21.22 | streuner | anewbie: did you try a live-CD yet? |
| 19:21.34 | streuner | anewbie: grml or such? |
| 19:21.54 | anewbie | streuner, yea i try BT3 |
| 19:21.57 | anewbie | and everythings fine |
| 19:22.01 | anewbie | everything work |
| 19:22.04 | streuner | BT3? |
| 19:22.18 | streuner | !listkeys bt3 |
| 19:22.19 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'bt3' by key returned no results. |
| 19:22.29 | simonrvn | wtf is bt3? |
| 19:22.36 | anewbie | slackbased |
| 19:22.38 | anewbie | live linux |
| 19:22.56 | anewbie | ok now i have the via_rhine |
| 19:23.00 | anewbie | and no connection too |
| 19:23.54 | gazra_ | I made a big mistake!! Please help!! |
| 19:24.08 | gazra_ | I installed linux for someone as dualboot |
| 19:24.33 | action09 | gazra_ you should have installed a single boot :) |
| 19:24.33 | greycat | anewbie: I second peppe's suggestion to try the via-rhine driver for your VIA Rhine II NIc. |
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| 19:24.58 | gazra_ | then, she wanted me to remove it, and I deleted the partition. Windows is still installed but grub is still showing up |
| 19:25.02 | gazra_ | with error 22 |
| 19:25.06 | anewbie | greycat, i done it |
| 19:25.10 | anewbie | same result |
| 19:25.13 | simonrvn | via-rhine in-kernel works fine for me... dunno why people have a hard time with that.... |
| 19:25.19 | gazra_ | How can I configure the partition to boot normally without grub |
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| 19:25.34 | anewbie | i have now via_rhine,8139too,8139cp |
| 19:25.43 | anewbie | and the situation is still hopeless |
| 19:25.47 | anewbie | no ping to nowhere |
| 19:25.52 | adb | ifconfig -a | grep eth |
| 19:25.53 | action09 | gazra_ you mean unload grub and reboot only on windows ? |
| 19:25.56 | greycat | gazra_: if it's anything like MS-DOS/Windows95 then you would boot into Windows and run "sys C:" from DOS. |
| 19:26.02 | gazra_ | action09: yes, exactly |
| 19:26.18 | anewbie | adb, |
| 19:26.22 | greycat | I don't know what the NT/Win2k/WinXP/Vista equivalent of "sys C:" is. |
| 19:26.40 | anewbie | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet Hwaddr .... macaddres |
| 19:26.44 | streuner | anewbie: not hopeless |
| 19:26.44 | JPT | lol... sys is very old... |
| 19:26.47 | anewbie | eth1 output is the same |
| 19:26.57 | streuner | anewbie: NICs are cheap ;-) |
| 19:27.00 | JPT | fixboot / fixmbr should be the newer stuff |
| 19:27.10 | anewbie | streuner, no money for nice ones |
| 19:27.14 | LtL | gazra_: boot a windows cd, run recovery console and use fixboot or fixmbr, i forget which. |
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| 19:27.37 | anewbie | i hope that is not hopeless but today will be 3th day that i'm trying to bring it up |
| 19:27.39 | anewbie | ant ... |
| 19:27.58 | adb | anewbie: read, edit > nano /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 19:27.59 | gazra_ | LtL: OK, thanks a lot!! |
| 19:28.07 | gazra_ | greycat: thanks a lot!! |
| 19:28.19 | ranix | you're welcome gazra_! |
| 19:28.27 | gazra_ | action09: Yes, she wants to have only WINDOWS! :-( |
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| 19:29.30 | anewbie | adb, it seems ok to me ... what i am suppooset to search tehre |
| 19:29.33 | gazra_ | It was too much to handle for her, she wanted a C: a D:, etc, she couldn't find anything or understand the structure. Of course, she didn't really want to learn |
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| 19:30.48 | action09 | gazra_ i'm not sure 100% but if it's a winXP command is "fixmbr" , but search google first |
| 19:30.59 | adb | anewbie: paste it on paste.debian.net + /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:31.45 | adb | + ifconfig -a | grep eth |
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| 19:33.52 | anewbie | adb, i will rewrite it by hand |
| 19:34.01 | anewbie | couse that PC dont have anny connection |
| 19:34.12 | adb | ok , nm |
| 19:35.22 | zl_benson | If mdadm says that a disk state = removed, is it safe to remove the drive while it's on, or should I power it off? |
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| 19:35.36 | greycat | Depends on the hardware. |
| 19:36.04 | ranix | zl_benson: sata, safe to remove (disk should be parked) |
| 19:36.09 | ranix | zl_benson: ide, who knows |
| 19:36.15 | zl_benson | It's SCSI |
| 19:36.20 | ranix | beats me |
| 19:36.35 | ranix | someone here should know though |
| 19:36.37 | greycat | When in doubt, it's not safe to hot-plug. |
| 19:36.52 | ranix | I know an IDE hot-plug will cause a kernel panic |
| 19:36.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think unplugging should be ok |
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| 19:37.20 | zl_benson | greycat: When in doubt, it's not safe to hot-plug. |
| 19:37.28 | zl_benson | Seems like I'll need to do this. |
| 19:37.35 | zl_benson | Thanks guys. |
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| 19:37.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | plugging a disk in might need to run something to recognize the disk... at least so it was on suns |
| 19:38.03 | greycat | With most SCSI hardware, you are *not* supposed to connect or disconnect devices with power on. |
| 19:38.08 | greycat | But this was 10 years ago... so.... |
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| 19:38.25 | anewbie | adb, |
| 19:38.26 | anewbie | http://pastebin.com/m26901df3 |
| 19:38.28 | anewbie | here it is |
| 19:38.57 | action09 | gazra_ is it OK ? if not search on google for fixmbr/fixboto or windows commands |
| 19:38.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it was an external drive |
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| 19:40.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | might well be that the setup differed from "normal scsi setup" |
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| 19:40.28 | adb | anewbie: add "iface eth0 inet dhcp" and " auto eth0 eth1" to /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:41.07 | anewbie | adb, my isp dont provide dhcp service |
| 19:41.13 | anewbie | i will add the auto lines only ? |
| 19:41.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, I might add that I managed to hot-unplug/replug even an IDE drive on an old 386 that I didn't care about without problems... only problem was that there was no mechanism to recognize/reinitialize the disk |
| 19:41.43 | adb | than , ifdown eth0, ifdown eth1, + ifup eth0 , ifup eth1 |
| 19:41.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | so plugging in only worked with a disk that had the same layout as the one the machine was booted with |
| 19:42.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. the same disk |
| 19:42.30 | anewbie | wow :O |
| 19:42.42 | anewbie | ifdown: interface eth1 not configured |
| 19:43.02 | anewbie | but i can make ifconfg down eth1 |
| 19:43.17 | anewbie | ifdown: interface eth0 not configured |
| 19:43.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | so? |
| 19:43.28 | greycat | use "ifup eth0" or whatever |
| 19:43.53 | adb | anewbie: even your router must get dhcp |
| 19:44.04 | greycat | eh? |
| 19:44.12 | adb | no ? |
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| 19:44.33 | anewbie | it respond to ifup |
| 19:44.37 | anewbie | but there is still no connection |
| 19:44.40 | kojil | bzed: you are still here? |
| 19:45.00 | greycat | what do you mean by "no connection"? |
| 19:45.08 | anewbie | no ping to the gateway |
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| 19:46.33 | adb | both ethX are cable connected to gateway ? |
| 19:46.45 | adb | eth0 has what IP ? |
| 19:46.51 | ranix | anewbie: if you unplug the wire |
| 19:46.58 | ranix | anewbie: then plug it in. Then dmesg | tail |
| 19:47.09 | ranix | anewbie: do you see "link is down" , "link is up" style messages? |
| 19:47.35 | ranix | with eth0 up if possible |
| 19:48.29 | gazra_ | action09: I tired all the commands, and non worl with the recovery disks |
| 19:48.45 | gazra_ | action09: isn't there something like that under linux? |
| 19:48.49 | Brandon_ | pokes adb & anewbie in the eyes |
| 19:49.12 | gazra_ | action09: the problem is that I haven't used Windows since 99, so I have no idea how to deal with this |
| 19:49.13 | action09 | gazra_ i search 10 seconds on google and found tons of answers with this commands |
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| 19:49.21 | gazra_ | action09: OK, sorry |
| 19:49.33 | anewbie | ranix |
| 19:49.42 | anewbie | on eth1 no i dont see nothing |
| 19:49.46 | action09 | gazra_ this comamnd is for linux, you told me it was only linxu in grub and you want to restore mbr to go back to windows |
| 19:49.52 | anewbie | but when i plug it on eth0 |
| 19:49.59 | anewbie | says link up 10mbps on eth1 |
| 19:50.02 | anewbie | this is redicullus |
| 19:50.19 | anewbie | when i try ifup eth0 |
| 19:50.20 | ranix | anewbie: looks like your /etc/network/interfaces are fubar |
| 19:50.41 | anewbie | respond ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0 |
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| 19:50.48 | gazra_ | action09: which command, the problem is that she only has recovery disks fro ASUS and they don't have an XP recovery console or so |
| 19:50.59 | ranix | 1interfaces |
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| 19:51.03 | ranix | 'blast |
| 19:51.08 | ranix | !interfaces |
| 19:51.08 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
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| 19:51.20 | action09 | gazra_ boot on linux and type this command ? |
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| 19:51.31 | ranix | anewbie: try reading up a bit on man 5 interfaces |
| 19:51.41 | greycat | I thought gazra had already removed linux... |
| 19:51.46 | anewbie | ranix, ok |
| 19:52.00 | ranix | anewbie: it's a tall glass of documentation but it's not that bad. You have a common problem where a second interface steals the eth[0-9] number of a previous interface |
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| 19:52.18 | ranix | anewbie: rather than solve this problem when I ran into it, I kludged the shit out of it by moving my network card to another pci slot |
| 19:52.34 | ranix | so, I'm sorry I can't be of more help because I am bad |
| 19:52.56 | anewbie | i see thx |
| 19:53.00 | anewbie | i will read it |
| 19:53.01 | anewbie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:53.06 | anewbie | if that dont help |
| 19:53.06 | action09 | gazra_ or boot on windows + recuperation console: fdisk /mbr |
| 19:53.07 | anewbie | i am lost |
| 19:53.08 | anewbie | :) |
| 19:53.18 | action09 | gazra_ sorry not to help more, it's one of these commands |
| 19:53.30 | ranix | if you get that far and don't figure it out, move the pci card ;) |
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| 19:54.33 | adb | anewbie: 1. what you "think" that interface is eth0 in reality is eth1 ; 2. you don't done > [ 21:37:45] <adb> anewbie: add "iface eth0 inet dhcp" and " auto eth0 eth1" to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:55.33 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.46 | adb | (yet ) |
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| 19:56.33 | anewbie | adb, ... may i change dhcp with inet static |
| 19:56.35 | anewbie | ? |
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| 19:56.43 | adb | no |
| 19:57.02 | greycat | Only if you follow it with appropriate address/etc. lines. |
| 19:57.10 | anewbie | yes i will |
| 19:57.18 | anewbie | my isp dont provide dhcp service |
| 19:57.23 | anewbie | we use static ip |
| 19:57.24 | ranix | anewbie: yeah I use inet static |
| 19:57.33 | greycat | http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 20:01.30 | bookmark | hi is there some place on the debian.org that it says the sources that would go in sources.list? |
| 20:02.54 | greycat | Is the answer to that one still "run apt-setup"? |
| 20:03.19 | bookmark | hi greycat, wow it's been a while since i've seen you cheif |
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| 20:03.55 | bookmark | well i run that and get command not found |
| 20:04.12 | bookmark | i guess i could install it once i have a source then i could print them all out |
| 20:04.20 | bookmark | so i just need one source |
| 20:04.31 | greycat | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 20:04.46 | bookmark | or i could like take a kodak it will last longer |
| 20:05.45 | anewbie | guys still no result but at least now i recive destination host unreachable |
| 20:06.39 | avu | /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 20:06.54 | anewbie | and still no proper connectivity |
| 20:06.57 | anewbie | route |
| 20:06.59 | anewbie | is ok |
| 20:07.07 | anewbie | ... what it can be now ? |
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| 20:07.45 | adb | your gateway 212.73.146.1 is out |
| 20:07.59 | adb | can't ping from here |
| 20:08.10 | anewbie | PING 212.73.146.1 (212.73.146.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 20:08.11 | anewbie | 64 bytes from 212.73.146.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=61 time=29.7 ms |
| 20:08.11 | anewbie | 64 bytes from 212.73.146.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=61 time=40.6 ms |
| 20:08.16 | anewbie | but i ping it from this pc |
| 20:08.16 | ranix | I can ping it from here |
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| 20:08.27 | anewbie | strange i ping it from here |
| 20:08.28 | anewbie | ... |
| 20:08.33 | ranix | I see it too |
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| 20:08.48 | cirzgamanti` | there seems to be a central library to convert stuff like "2m" -> 120 seconds etc.; is there a command line command for this? |
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| 20:09.11 | ranix | bc lol |
| 20:09.43 | cahoot | units? |
| 20:09.45 | cirzgamanti` | heh i just used dc a minute before |
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| 20:09.56 | anewbie | ranix, if the gate is fine and he is |
| 20:10.01 | anewbie | then the problem is in me again |
| 20:10.12 | ranix | I could whip up a little wget script to google it and return the result |
| 20:10.12 | deed02392 | i'm trying to make this an alias: |
| 20:10.13 | deed02392 | find {/path/to/directory} -type f -size +{file-size-in-kb}k -exec ls -lh {} \; | awk '{ print $8 ": " $5 }' |
| 20:10.19 | deed02392 | but it contains both a ' and " |
| 20:10.26 | deed02392 | how can i get round this problem? |
| 20:10.34 | ranix | backslashes? |
| 20:10.34 | cirzgamanti` | can't you escape it with \ ? |
| 20:10.39 | deed02392 | i tried that |
| 20:10.41 | deed02392 | didn't work |
| 20:10.48 | greycat | deed02392: use a function instead of an alias. |
| 20:11.01 | ranix | anewbie: your problem is something I could probably fix by spamming probes |
| 20:11.02 | greycat | deed02392: foo() { find "$1" -type f .... '...'; } |
| 20:11.07 | deed02392 | oh good idea greycat |
| 20:11.07 | ranix | anewbie: I would try everything until something worked |
| 20:11.10 | deed02392 | cheers |
| 20:11.17 | ranix | anewbie: it's hard to translate that into something useful to you |
| 20:11.38 | bookmark | you ever heard perl called this guys? pathologically eclectic rubbish lister hahaha |
| 20:11.46 | ranix | anewbie: can you try putting the machine in question behind a router to test its connectivity in a controlled environment |
| 20:11.52 | ranix | see if dhcp works, etc? |
| 20:12.03 | ranix | anewbie: don't discount hardware failure |
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| 20:12.25 | stew | bookmark: yes, that was coined by perl's inventor |
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| 20:13.00 | greycat | and it's in the man page |
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| 20:13.32 | anewbie | ranix, |
| 20:13.38 | anewbie | yes i can |
| 20:13.48 | anewbie | i will done it after few seconds |
| 20:13.59 | anewbie | but it is not hardware failure |
| 20:14.11 | anewbie | couse both of the nic's work'd via live cd |
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| 20:16.46 | ranix | ok |
| 20:17.18 | anewbie | WOOOW |
| 20:17.22 | anewbie | kernel panic |
| 20:17.27 | anewbie | i just go to the kitchen |
| 20:17.28 | ranix | wtf did you do |
| 20:17.32 | anewbie | and now i see kernel panic |
| 20:17.42 | ranix | quick give it a sandwich |
| 20:17.50 | anewbie | Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt |
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| 20:18.23 | anewbie | sandwich ?! |
| 20:18.47 | ranix | it saw you go to the kitchen and then threw a fit |
| 20:18.52 | ranix | it obviously wants a ham and cheese |
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| 20:19.02 | anewbie | hahahaha |
| 20:19.02 | anewbie | :D |
| 20:19.10 | anewbie | stupid greedy PC |
| 20:19.10 | anewbie | :D |
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| 20:19.16 | cirzgamanti` | units does the job, thx |
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| 20:19.20 | anewbie | i know it that i must get a mmac |
| 20:19.21 | anewbie | :D |
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| 20:19.53 | johan____ | I forgot/skipped to use encryption LVM on debian install, possible to do it afterwards? |
| 20:20.26 | ranix | I googled that panic, anewbie, and google is full of ubuntu retards saying things like "I got this because I didn't have enough RAMs" |
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| 20:21.12 | anewbie | do you thing that can be a reason |
| 20:21.21 | anewbie | i have 512 here i think |
| 20:21.25 | maligor | broken ram might cause kernel panics, but it's a bug if low ram causes it |
| 20:21.31 | ranix | no that's obviously nonsense |
| 20:21.35 | deed02392 | memtest time :D |
| 20:21.42 | ranix | memtest is worth a shot though |
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| 20:21.58 | maligor | bad ram should cause random crashes everywhere |
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| 20:22.03 | anewbie | hmm |
| 20:22.08 | deed02392 | and it will maligor |
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| 20:22.16 | anewbie | hmm |
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| 20:22.20 | anewbie | memtest you say |
| 20:22.25 | deed02392 | indeed |
| 20:22.32 | maligor | they mean memtest86 |
| 20:22.34 | anewbie | ubuntu livecd have somkind of memtest software if i remeber |
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| 20:22.47 | anewbie | what software you think that is better to use |
| 20:22.47 | maligor | yeah, it probably has memtest86 or memtest86+ |
| 20:22.47 | anewbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.51 | dkr | yeah, boot the rescue disk and it should be an option |
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| 20:22.58 | deed02392 | yeah whatever just google memtest and you'll find it |
| 20:23.01 | dkr | or the install disk |
| 20:23.02 | ranix | anewbie: can you paste the line after the fatal exception in interrupt line? |
| 20:23.10 | ranix | anewbie: do you get BUG: foo lines? |
| 20:23.20 | anewbie | bug fuulines ? |
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| 20:23.37 | ranix | like "warning at /arch/i386/..." lines |
| 20:24.10 | anewbie | nope |
| 20:24.13 | anewbie | you mean at boot time |
| 20:24.14 | zeta3 | I'm looking for SDL_draw.h |
| 20:24.19 | ranix | I mean during the panic |
| 20:24.21 | zeta3 | which package would I have to install? |
| 20:24.25 | greycat | zeta3: packges.debian.org |
| 20:24.32 | greycat | gah. |
| 20:24.34 | greycat | zeta3: packages.debian.org |
| 20:24.34 | ranix | zeta3: apt-file search SDL_draw.h |
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| 20:24.53 | zeta3 | ranix, i dont have apt-file |
| 20:25.01 | ranix | only one way to fix that |
| 20:25.11 | anewbie | ranix, i cant find the kernel panic log in syslo |
| 20:25.12 | anewbie | f |
| 20:25.29 | ranix | anewbie: no problem, carry on. Run a memtest and see if something is wrong with your hardware |
| 20:25.43 | ranix | I use quicktech pro, but others swear by memtest86 |
| 20:26.05 | anewbie | i will see what i can find |
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| 20:27.01 | betz | can anyone tell me howto install a .deb package via ssh? |
| 20:27.27 | Kvant | betz, dpkg -i whatever.deb |
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| 20:27.49 | betz | thanx |
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| 20:28.07 | adb | aptitude install whatever.deb |
| 20:28.10 | greycat | betz: scp foo.deb target:/tmp && ssh target dpkg -i /tmp/foo.deb |
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| 20:32.42 | agroker | where to tell to DHCP to not to overwrite the resolv.conf? |
| 20:33.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, without the .deb, though |
| 20:33.28 | adb | sure, right |
| 20:33.49 | anewbie | memtest86+ v2.01 |
| 20:33.57 | anewbie | i think that willl do the job |
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| 20:35.53 | kingsley | Is "checkinstall" the best utility for converting tarballs into debian packages? |
| 20:36.08 | greycat | The best utility is a debian developer. |
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| 20:37.07 | kingsley | I seem to recall that another contender was the "alien" utility. |
| 20:37.16 | agaran | greycat: only if developer is utility |
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| 20:37.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | kingsley, no, that's for using/converting rpms |
| 20:37.35 | greycat | I'd rather extract the RPM by hand. |
| 20:37.45 | toad_ | is there any reason _not_ to add a write-intent bitmap to my raid1 arrays? |
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| 20:39.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | kingsley, if you just need a newer/different/patched version of a package that is in Debian it's better to compile from the package in Debian and just adjust things to work with the newer version/patch/etc. |
| 20:39.41 | greycat | And if you need something that's not in Debian at all, it's probably better to install it using the standard upstream method in /usr/local or /opt. |
| 20:40.08 | aymak | How do I postpone initiation of md raid until after the network is up? |
| 20:40.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | for non-packages, I guess "stow" comes in handy |
| 20:41.12 | anewbie | but ... ranix if the problem with the nic's are from the ram |
| 20:41.17 | anewbie | why they work via the live cd |
| 20:41.18 | anewbie | ? |
| 20:41.18 | greycat | I would never fully trust any automatic "convert X to .deb" tool. |
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| 20:41.45 | devil861 | ragazzi c siete |
| 20:41.46 | devil861 | ?? |
| 20:41.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | aymak, mm... change the softlinks in /etc/rc2.d/ for mdadm-raid and/or mdadm, I guess... rcconf can do that for you (but check what those scripts do, I never fiddled with those) |
| 20:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | aymak, also 'man rcconf' |
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| 20:42.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno, there should be a bit more to that, as my root partition is on a raid... so that should start quite early |
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| 20:43.50 | aymak | CutMeOwnThroat: tried to do md last in rc scripts, even rc.local, seems to make no difference, my / is not in raid. |
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| 20:44.14 | toad_ | ok, google suggests that unless you have a separate disk (e.g. small single-cell flash), write intent bitmaps cause severe performance cost... |
| 20:44.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | toad_, and little kittens die? |
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| 20:46.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | aymak, guess you can modify the script to wait in the background until it can ping google or whatever |
| 20:46.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I really start wondering why you'd want that :) |
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| 20:47.41 | aymak | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm thinking md is initialized in module, boot logs always show early start, rc script order appears to have no effect. |
| 20:48.14 | aymak | CutMeOwnThroat: I want iscsi raid device. |
| 20:49.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 20:49.07 | dpkg | If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 20:49.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could blacklist it, then load it in an rc script, if that's the cause |
| 20:49.41 | ilembitov | Hi, guys. Does debian still provide 2.4 kernel packages for Lenny? |
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| 20:50.08 | greycat | no |
| 20:50.19 | greycat | 2.4 is unsupported on lenny |
| 20:50.39 | stew | in fact, 2.4 won't work at all on lenny |
| 20:50.39 | greycat | (It's actually unsupported on etch too, but *most* things in etch will work.) |
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| 20:52.29 | shriven | Hello. I'm having a bit of trouble with creating a debian package. Basically I have followed all directions and variations thereof that I can find, but after running debuild the actual executable is being left out of /bin, but all the other stuff is right, man pages etc. Am I just missing something simple? Any ideas? |
| 20:53.02 | ilembitov | Damn. I was looking for a distro in order to revive a Toshiba Libretto 50ct as soon as I get one |
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| 20:54.49 | njk- | asg? |
| 20:55.06 | njk- | oh, he's sleeping... |
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| 20:55.16 | stew | ilembitov: and why can't you use a 2.6 kernel? |
| 20:55.17 | njk- | LVM best practices question... |
| 20:55.34 | eshat | Hi all,... I need a simple answer: How do I list all packages, that have been installed from experimental ? |
| 20:55.42 | njk- | is it worth using LVM on a system with a 32GB disk? |
| 20:55.45 | stew | he's probably not sleeping. /msg dpkg pubtime |
| 20:55.54 | ilembitov | stew: well, may be you are right. Do you think a fully CLI/ncurses based system will do on Pentium 75? |
| 20:56.10 | margiolas | hello i installes debian on a macbook unibody and I have problem with trackpad it doesn't work |
| 20:56.15 | stew | ilembitov: sure. I use one for my firewall |
| 20:56.28 | rvsjoen | njk-: a single disk ? why would you want to use lvm |
| 20:56.43 | njk- | rvsjoen: to re-size partitions down the road |
| 20:56.51 | ilembitov | stew: how much RAM? |
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| 20:57.07 | stew | ilembitov: 48mb? |
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| 20:57.35 | ilembitov | stew: Toshiba isn't likely to handle more than 32, even with upgrade |
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| 20:57.55 | eshat | Is there no dpkg command do also list the repository a package came from ? |
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| 20:58.04 | stew | eshat: no, that information isn't retained |
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| 20:58.25 | stew | ilembitov: the problem with that is that the installer needs a bunch. once it is installed 32 mb would work |
| 20:58.28 | greycat | As far as dpkg knows, they all came from /var/cache/apt/archives and were put there by .deb fairies. |
| 20:58.36 | eshat | stew: what about apt, I should be able to see which package is installed and check the cache in which repository it is... |
| 20:58.45 | rvsjoen | apt-cache policy does that, no ? |
| 20:58.58 | ilembitov | stew: You mean, even the netinstall with ncurses-based installer would use a lot? |
| 20:59.02 | stew | eshat: yeah, "apt-cache policy pacakgename" would tell you what versions of a package are currently available from currently available repositories |
| 20:59.19 | stew | eshat: and see apt-show-versions |
| 20:59.26 | stew | ilembitov: yes |
| 20:59.43 | eshat | hmmm,... but I need a list of all packages installed from experimental |
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| 21:00.00 | Schroeder | proudly acknowledges the obvious supremacy of Western civilization over Eastern and African so-called "civilization" |
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| 21:00.29 | ilembitov | stew: Hmm... May be using something older, like Sarge, and updating afterwards is a better idea |
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| 21:01.05 | Kuifje111 | is there a way to put 40 files with wget in a queue and commence that queue at a certain time? |
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| 21:01.29 | Kuifje111 | is there a way to put 40 files with wget in a queue and commence that queue at a certain time? |
| 21:01.43 | licantrup | where can i see the messages that appeared during debian boot up? |
| 21:01.46 | eshat | stew: Thank you, that's it,... apt-show-versions |
| 21:01.48 | Polarina | Kuifje111: sleep X && wget files... |
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| 21:03.27 | Kuifje111 | Polarina, i see, but thats a bit primitive |
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| 21:03.44 | eshat | anyone on kde4 ??? |
| 21:03.54 | Kuifje111 | isnt it possible to use a cron job, or something like that? |
| 21:03.54 | Polarina | Kuifje111: cron. |
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| 21:04.04 | Kuifje111 | ok |
| 21:04.05 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 21:04.20 | nidias | licantrup: dmesg |
| 21:04.21 | Polarina | Kuifje111: Add your user to the group cron and make a crontab in your home directory. |
| 21:04.24 | Kuifje111 | is it possible to let the cron command execute only once? |
| 21:04.37 | Polarina | Kuifje111: Of course it is possible. |
| 21:04.45 | Kuifje111 | all right. |
| 21:04.54 | stew | licantrup: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 21:04.56 | mpotter | "at" is a better choice for one-offs though |
| 21:05.02 | Kuifje111 | i want to download something off rapidshare on my download pc |
| 21:05.08 | stew | ilembitov: I believe the installer has a low-memory mode |
| 21:05.15 | Kuifje111 | and rapidshare's got a discount when you download between 2 and 10 am |
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| 21:05.35 | Kuifje111 | 90% download discount, if i am correct. |
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| 21:06.00 | licantrup | nidias, actually the messages that I see during the boot up aren't there |
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| 21:06.40 | bbelt16ag | hey is there a gnome == of kalarm ?? |
| 21:06.55 | nidias | licantrup: are you running a debian kernel? |
| 21:07.10 | licantrup | hhmmm |
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| 21:07.22 | licantrup | I am running dbian lenny |
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| 21:08.05 | licantrup | will try what "/msg dpkg bootlog" says |
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| 21:11.54 | jakuub | hello |
| 21:11.57 | jakuub | please where is base-config |
| 21:11.58 | jakuub | :( |
| 21:12.01 | jakuub | i can`t find it |
| 21:12.14 | bzed | gone for good since a long time |
| 21:12.56 | stew | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RemoveBaseConfig |
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| 21:14.37 | shriven | Anyone able to try helping with a few packaging questions? |
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| 21:15.23 | simonrvn | !ask |
| 21:15.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 21:19.49 | bbelt16ag | what port is https 8080? |
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| 21:20.41 | dondelelcaro | bbelt16ag: 8080 |
| 21:20.47 | simonrvn | bbelt16ag: those are 2 different ports... |
| 21:21.03 | schmrz | Hello Everyone. I have 8081 port opened by blackice-icecap. When I run netstat -pant I get this info: |
| 21:21.17 | schmrz | 0.0.0.0:8081 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2422/mono |
| 21:21.34 | schmrz | What is mono? |
| 21:21.50 | zinx | schmrz: something that runs .NET binaries |
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| 21:22.06 | schmrz | Yeah but I thought that I removed all mono packages |
| 21:22.25 | bbelt16ag | ? |
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| 21:22.38 | schmrz | Oh sry to bother you, there were few packages left. |
| 21:22.52 | Supermiguel | does debian support ZFS? |
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| 21:23.06 | schmrz | I guess I was just paranoid for few seconds. |
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| 21:24.27 | simonrvn | Supermiguel: does the kernel? |
| 21:24.33 | Supermiguel | ya |
| 21:25.04 | myeggo | is there a way to see why a program crash with wine? |
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| 21:25.43 | simonrvn | are you sure? |
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| 21:28.20 | Supermiguel | simonrvn, ?? |
| 21:29.00 | simonrvn | it's a simple question. just requires yes/no. |
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| 21:29.34 | Supermiguel | simonrvn, i was the one asking a question.. i asked if debian supported zfs |
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| 21:30.09 | simonrvn | it's not dependent on the distro (except enabling stuff in the default kernels). |
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| 21:32.26 | Kre10s_ | hi! I've got a problem with sftp on my server. |
| 21:32.28 | DustyDingo | hm, got some problems with tcpnice, ... doesnÃt work for me |
| 21:32.38 | DustyDingo | wasn't there a -n switch once? |
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| 21:33.00 | DustyDingo | to specify, how much it is slowed down? |
| 21:33.06 | Kre10s_ | Im trying to use vsftpd, but none of the config options make any difference. |
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| 21:33.53 | Kre10s_ | it seems that a process named ftp_server is doing all the work instead. I cannot get rid fo this thing, it starts every time there is a new connection. |
| 21:34.02 | DustyDingo | and running tcpnice on a connection doesn't seem to show much impact at all |
| 21:34.14 | DustyDingo | tcpkill works fine tho+ |
| 21:34.43 | Kre10s_ | how do i get vsftpd to work correctly? |
| 21:35.21 | bzed | Kre10s_: if you mean ssl encrypted ftp - nobody uses that. |
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| 21:35.37 | simonrvn | sftp != ftps |
| 21:35.54 | bzed | Kre10s_: sftp uses ssh |
| 21:35.58 | Kre10s_ | yup i want sftp |
| 21:36.16 | bzed | Kre10s_: then you don't need a ftp server. |
| 21:36.47 | Kre10s_ | but thats not my problem. sftp://user@serverip works even if vsftpd is not running |
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| 21:37.37 | simonrvn | Kre10s_: duh. it's an ssh subsystem |
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| 21:38.14 | Kre10s_ | ok. |
| 21:38.31 | Kre10s_ | why won't it let my log in through the command line then? |
| 21:39.03 | simonrvn | i don't know. check your logs. |
| 21:39.07 | simonrvn | auth.log |
| 21:40.11 | Kre10s_ | works now... :/ strange |
| 21:40.20 | cirzgamanti | i deleted a file, but it's still open in mplayer, so still exists. any chances of getting it back? :) |
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| 21:41.13 | roadi | maybe it sound a little bit stupid but do i have to change anything in the soueces.list if i have a 64bit system (because of 64bit binaries)? or is there no different and there are no special 64bit binaries on debian? |
| 21:42.00 | Polarina | roadi: You don't need to change anything. |
| 21:42.08 | Polarina | roadi: It will find the proper binaries itself. |
| 21:42.14 | simonrvn | roadi: not really no, not for official sources |
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| 21:42.26 | roadi | okay thx :) |
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| 21:42.51 | Kre10s_ | simonrvn: so what is vsftpd for? |
| 21:42.55 | Kre10s_ | ftps? |
| 21:43.06 | simonrvn | if enabled yes |
| 21:43.21 | Kre10s_ | ahh. |
| 21:43.31 | simonrvn | most people don't use ftp. if they do, they will go for ftp+START_TLS |
| 21:43.53 | simonrvn | imo i'd just stick to sftp |
| 21:44.21 | cn-rulez | dose any body here can help me with my dns323 |
| 21:44.45 | Kre10s_ | yea, but that doesn't matter. to me... so. now that sftp works. were are the config files for it? |
| 21:45.22 | simonrvn | there aren't any |
| 21:45.40 | simonrvn | well, technically, not for it, but for sshd |
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| 21:46.39 | Kre10s_ | ok. so how would i be able to confine users to their home dirs like i normaly would with vsftpd |
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| 21:47.50 | nan8 | cirzgamanti: yes - first pause mplayer |
| 21:48.05 | nan8 | cirzgamanti: or wait - hmm? maybe it closes the file on pause ;-) |
| 21:48.07 | techouse | hah, i found a solution to my 3000 html files :D |
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| 21:48.26 | techouse | from utf-8 --> utf-8 with bom |
| 21:48.30 | simonrvn | !ssh chroot |
| 21:48.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, ssh chroot is Stop. Read http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/325425/30/0/ and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 21:48.34 | techouse | this: http://www.sisulizer.com/kaboom/ |
| 21:48.36 | techouse | :D |
| 21:48.38 | simonrvn | Kre10s_: ^^^ |
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| 21:49.14 | Kre10s_ | reading |
| 21:49.17 | nan8 | cirzgamanti: still there? |
| 21:49.23 | nidias | cirzgamanti: use lsof, see http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/58142 |
| 21:49.38 | no_mind | fan of my debain box is not working. WHen I looked into /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZ00/polling_frequenct it says <polling disabled> also trip_points show only critical temprateure |
| 21:49.47 | techouse | Kre10s_: like chmod 700 :D |
| 21:49.52 | no_mind | how do I get teh fan started ? |
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| 21:54.13 | cirzgamanti | nidias: i found the same article, saved the file! thx! |
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| 21:54.26 | Kre10s_ | is tightenning the permissions the only way? |
| 21:55.47 | techouse | Kre10s_: well, you could also setup some sort of jails, but chmod is simpler |
| 21:56.46 | Kre10s_ | ok.. |
| 21:56.47 | techouse | but dunno how to create a jail on linux |
| 21:56.55 | techouse | only did it in BSD |
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| 21:57.32 | stew | Kre10s_: how are the users logging in that you want to limit to their home directories? |
| 21:58.13 | techouse | a bsd jail is probably some sort of chroot in linux |
| 21:58.22 | Kre10s_ | the problem i have is that users can sftp into other users home dirs. and int /etc and stuff |
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| 21:58.45 | techouse | Kre10s_: http://rhcelinuxguide.wordpress.com/2006/07/02/linux-jail/ |
| 21:58.48 | stew | Kre10s_: for sftp, google for "debian sftp chroot" and you'll get a page on debian-administration.org explaining how to do it |
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| 21:59.25 | Kre10s_ | ok. |
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| 22:00.40 | simonrvn | techouse: sorta kinda |
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| 22:01.11 | stew | with newer openssh servers its as simple as switching a config option, and you don't need to create chroots |
| 22:01.54 | Kre10s_ | i thought thats why i wanted to use vsftpd |
| 22:02.10 | Kre10s_ | but that ftps not sftp :/ |
| 22:02.16 | stew | right |
| 22:02.34 | simonrvn | i keep forgetting about the fancy sshds... |
| 22:02.41 | Kre10s_ | what exactly is the difference anyway? |
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| 22:03.24 | simonrvn | letter positions ;p |
| 22:03.24 | stew | Kre10s_: vsftpd does ftp over ssl. sftp is ftp like functionality over ssh (but nothing actually to do with the ftp protocol, other than "they are both used to transfer files") |
| 22:04.53 | simonrvn | seriously though, stew covered it well |
| 22:04.55 | Kre10s_ | ah. so there could be possible confusion with end users |
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| 22:05.43 | simonrvn | yes, esp. when people who market things don't stick to the conventions |
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| 22:07.21 | Kre10s_ | guess the end user will just have to learn. hehe |
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| 22:08.43 | rgr | Anyone familiar with LVM, why would it span a mirror across two physical devices? Seems to defeat the purpose. |
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| 22:10.44 | pl_ | is there a preferred place in Debian where to put a script that configures the firewall rules (iptables)? |
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| 22:12.24 | lish | so my problep is , when i reboot my computer or shutdown , i need every time to install ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.51-pkg1.run because is not load the xserver |
| 22:12.52 | lish | need to putt nvidia driver to blacklist? |
| 22:13.00 | sheldon1985 | why is gnome 2.26.x not in SID ? |
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| 22:15.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kre10s_, adjusting permissions to go-rwx /home/* really is the simplest solution (although you might need to retain x on the dir for some functionality) |
| 22:15.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't see why it's an issue if they can read /bin or /etc |
| 22:16.27 | Kre10s_ | i guess so. it would just seem cleaner. |
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| 22:16.48 | stew | Kre10s_: setting up sftp to force the users to chroot is pretty simple. did you look at the page I was pointing you to? |
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| 22:17.01 | Kre10s_ | the problem i will have is the web server not being able to use a users files |
| 22:17.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell sheldon1985 -about why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 22:17.17 | Kre10s_ | yup im reading is |
| 22:17.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell sheldon1985 -about vidia |
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| 22:17.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 22:17.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell sheldon1985 -about nvidia |
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| 22:17.45 | sheldon1985 | ok ok |
| 22:17.52 | stew | judd: info gnome-session --release sid |
| 22:17.52 | judd | stew: gnome-session (gnome): is optional; Version: 2.26.1-5; Size: 397.7k; Installed: 1402k -- The GNOME Session Manager |
| 22:17.58 | lish | what about my queston?:P |
| 22:17.58 | sheldon1985 | i m an intel user dear <CutMeOwnThroat> |
| 22:17.59 | stew | sheldon1985: looks like at least some of it is |
| 22:18.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | sheldon1985, you can "/msg dpkg other_factoid" on the things in <> |
| 22:18.21 | sheldon1985 | yes...only gnome-session packages |
| 22:18.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | oops |
| 22:18.24 | new2deb | hello |
| 22:18.27 | sheldon1985 | package |
| 22:18.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | sheldon1985, sorry, that was for lish |
| 22:18.36 | sheldon1985 | other gnome set packages are out of date |
| 22:18.38 | lish | lol:P |
| 22:18.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I skipped a line and got the wrong nick :( |
| 22:18.50 | sheldon1985 | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.26-status.html |
| 22:18.52 | lish | np man:) |
| 22:19.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | lish, well, /msg dpkg why nvidia-installer sucks and /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 22:19.20 | sheldon1985 | okok |
| 22:19.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | sheldon1985, sorry again |
| 22:19.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | grmbl |
| 22:19.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | readjusts his glasses |
| 22:20.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, test |
| 22:20.07 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 22:20.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | right on! |
| 22:20.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | walks away grumbling |
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| 22:21.17 | stew | sheldon1985: yes, and that shows that much more than only gnome-session is at 2.26 |
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| 22:22.45 | dcnoye | how do you purge the config files ? |
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| 22:23.23 | new2deb | i installed debian 5 lenny just now, now i'm trying to install a package that shows up in aptitude and apt-get sees it, but i keep getting the "Some packages could not be installed" error, please help :) |
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| 22:24.01 | stew | dcnoye: dpkg -P packagename or aptitude purge packagename |
| 22:24.09 | rahsputin | hi. is it possible to resume $ fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image my X just crashed |
| 22:24.11 | stew | new2deb: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:24.15 | rahsputin | during it |
| 22:24.24 | dcnoye | stew that removes the config files too ? |
| 22:24.33 | stew | dcnoye: yes |
| 22:24.42 | dcnoye | thanks |
| 22:24.45 | new2deb | stew: apt-get install drupal6 |
| 22:25.39 | stew | new2deb: show us the actual output of that command, and also the output of "apt-cache policy drupal6" |
| 22:25.44 | stew | use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:26.17 | new2deb | stew: http://paste.debian.net/37770/ |
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| 22:27.14 | new2deb | stew: and http://paste.debian.net/37771/ |
| 22:27.29 | dcnoye | new2deb, you should try aptitude install plone3-site |
| 22:27.35 | dcnoye | :) |
| 22:27.41 | new2deb | :p |
| 22:27.50 | stew | new2deb: it looks like you ahve a security mirror, but no main mirror, see /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 22:27.54 | stew | ^ahve^have |
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| 22:29.08 | new2deb | stew: ah ok |
| 22:29.40 | stew | new2deb: security is only a partial mirror contianing the packages which have had an update since the last stable release |
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| 22:32.11 | rahsputin | well i just typed it in again, and it looks like it starts off where it stopped |
| 22:32.28 | rahsputin | :) just hope nothins funky in it |
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| 22:33.15 | new2deb | stew: i added "stable main contrib non-free" and it seems to work now thanks :) |
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| 22:35.24 | stew | new2deb: i'd recommend not using 'stable' there, but use 'lenny' |
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| 22:38.26 | new2deb | stew: alright thanks :) |
| 22:39.12 | stew | new2deb: the problem is that when stable changes from lenny to squeeze sometime in the future, it may cause problems for you if you aren't expecting it |
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| 22:39.55 | new2deb | stew: oops u were saying |
| 22:40.11 | new2deb | ? |
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| 22:40.19 | stew | new2deb: the problem is that when stable changes from lenny to squeeze sometime in the future, it may cause problems for you if you aren't expecting it |
| 22:40.56 | pbn | HI, trying to enable a firewire: ifconfig eth1 10.42.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 ... I get: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 22:41.05 | new2deb | stew: yeah, i'm gonna stick with lenny, i'm planning on using it for production |
| 22:41.49 | themill | stew: it'd be nice if man 5 sources.list didn't show "stable" in the examples :( |
| 22:42.30 | stew | themill: you can guess what response I'd have to a comment like that |
| 22:42.31 | stew | :) |
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| 22:43.41 | stew | (I assume that themill will come back with a bug# tagged +patch soon) |
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| 22:44.06 | new2deb | stew: again thanks for the help, later |
| 22:44.14 | stew | you're welcome :) |
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| 22:46.25 | beardy | themill: Hmm. True to some degree, but wouldn't it be worse if it named an old, or oldoldoldstable instead? Since I'm sure something like that would be forgotten to change every.. now and then. |
| 22:47.28 | themill | beardy: no, then you'd just get 404 |
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| 22:47.44 | ttyType | hi all |
| 22:47.49 | Kre10s_ | hi |
| 22:48.03 | ttyType | i want to get debian running on an old ibook G3 clamshell |
| 22:48.11 | tarzeau | yuck |
| 22:48.15 | ttyType | lul |
| 22:48.21 | tarzeau | well better that than os x... |
| 22:48.43 | beardy | themill: I guess it should be done so there will be no problems between stables then. |
| 22:48.47 | ttyType | agreed. now then.... what is this debian-501-powerpc-kde-CD-1.iso? |
| 22:48.58 | tarzeau | kde? |
| 22:49.03 | tarzeau | come on, not on that old crap |
| 22:49.07 | tarzeau | how much memory you have? |
| 22:49.27 | ttyType | tarzeau: somewhere between 64M and 500M |
| 22:49.30 | ttyType | i think |
| 22:49.30 | beardy | themill: Changing a word might be easier though yes.. |
| 22:49.38 | stew | ttyType: its an installer which would have everything you need to get a kde based desktop system installed (the desktop part being optional) |
| 22:49.39 | ttyType | ok, fine. LXDE |
| 22:49.48 | tarzeau | no x for < 128mb, otherwise only with something like window maker/amiwm |
| 22:50.04 | ttyType | stew: so, what are those 8 CD images? |
| 22:50.07 | tarzeau | clamshell, is that the ugly ones with less than 300 mhz? |
| 22:50.29 | ttyType | tarzeau: 366, actually |
| 22:50.33 | ttyType | :P |
| 22:50.34 | stew | ttyType: which 8? |
| 22:50.39 | ttyType | tarzeau: but mac OS somehow got X running |
| 22:50.46 | ttyType | stew: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/powerpc/iso-cd/ |
| 22:50.46 | tarzeau | it was even horribly slow on my g3 800, 512mb memory |
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| 22:50.49 | ttyType | the top 8 |
| 22:50.58 | tarzeau | ttyType: mac os x, has not X... |
| 22:51.08 | ttyType | tarzeau: i thought mac used X11 |
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| 22:51.17 | tarzeau | ttyType: it can, but of course it doesn't by default |
| 22:51.22 | ttyType | ah, right |
| 22:51.38 | ttyType | maybe i should look at tinycore liux |
| 22:51.40 | ttyType | *linux |
| 22:51.44 | stew | ttyType: anything other than CD-1/netinst/businesscard are just cds full of packages for use by people that need to install onto machines that don't have access to the internet to fetch the packages |
| 22:51.59 | tarzeau | ttyType: for non-x86 machines? debian's best |
| 22:52.08 | ttyType | stew: so with that KDE or the LXDE/XFCE one, i would need x86? |
| 22:52.16 | ttyType | s/x86/interwebs |
| 22:52.21 | beardy | ttyType: I'm sure you can run X, and the window manager you like. But if you're comfortable without X, you'd be able to use tha machine better. Use the netinstaller. Install what you like, try and play. |
| 22:52.22 | ttyType | dammit, why did i say x86 |
| 22:52.25 | stew | ttyType: no |
| 22:52.25 | ttyType | :-/ |
| 22:52.29 | ttyType | ah |
| 22:52.30 | ttyType | hmm |
| 22:52.31 | stew | wait |
| 22:52.35 | stew | i was saying no to x86 |
| 22:52.35 | ttyType | huh? |
| 22:52.41 | ttyType | oh |
| 22:52.44 | tarzeau | a computer without internet? i can't believe that's possible... |
| 22:52.44 | ttyType | yea, my brain failed |
| 22:52.55 | ttyType | tarzeau: well, it does have internet access |
| 22:52.57 | beardy | Your imagination sucks. |
| 22:52.58 | ttyType | im just wondering |
| 22:53.13 | stew | ttyType: CD-1 would install gnome if you told it "install a desktop" the kde one would install kde instead, etc |
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| 22:53.22 | tarzeau | i mean you can't even exchange bonefiles in nethack without internet |
| 22:53.24 | ttyType | when i'm done with this, i wanna get linux running on this old ARM III :D |
| 22:53.31 | ttyType | alas, i think it too big :( |
| 22:53.37 | stew | ttyType: with any of them, you could skip desktop, and install whatever you actually wanted after the install was complete |
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| 22:53.53 | ttyType | well, we do need X here |
| 22:53.58 | ttyType | or some kind of windowed thing |
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| 22:54.35 | mactimes | Hello, everyone. I used to have some sort of structure for MS networks and since I'm migrating all of my customers' networks to Debian, I'm looking for a similar solution in order to keep the same structure working. I would like to know what packages I need in order to achieve this solution here: http://imagebin.ca/view/F3Li8e.html |
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| 22:56.11 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:56.17 | beardy | mactimes: :) What is that supposed to show? That your mailservers are on different networks? |
| 22:56.51 | rgr | mactimes: all that shows is a standard mail gateway and a lan. hardly detailed :) |
| 22:57.13 | bzed | rgr: all you need is postfix :D |
| 22:57.17 | rgr | What fileservers for examples |
| 22:57.22 | mactimes | beardy, rgr That's it, I want to implement a mail gateway. |
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| 22:57.43 | mactimes | bzed: Postfix only? |
| 22:57.56 | beardy | mactimes: Then you don't need much special things. Postfix or Exim, yes. |
| 22:58.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | exim is default and should be already installed |
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| 22:58.33 | bzed | mactimes: you probably want to configure spam and virus filtering for the mails |
| 22:58.42 | beardy | mactimes: Debian uses Exim as the defauly MTA. What CutMeOwnThroat just said. But if you prefer postfix, just install that. |
| 22:58.44 | bzed | mactimes: like amavis... and.. postfix rocks ;) |
| 22:58.58 | mactimes | beardy: Hum. So, all workstations on LAN can pop3/imap/smtp the local mail server and this mail server would handle communication with WAN mail server, right? |
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| 22:59.16 | beardy | mactimes: If you configure it that way, of course. |
| 22:59.32 | bzed | mactimes: hmm ok, for pop an dimap you need something like cyrus and dovecot, depending on the volume of mails you want to deliver |
| 22:59.34 | beardy | mactimes: It's all in the configuration. and the fact that you need two machines, that you control. |
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| 23:00.05 | mactimes | beardy: Hum, is there any online material refering to this? I'm not very familiar with postfix/exim and I'd like to have something simple to manage, backup, etc. |
| 23:00.20 | beardy | mactimes: And yes.. for imap you need dovecot for example. |
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| 23:01.05 | mactimes | beardy: Well, the idea is to have this gateway mail working as a mail client, in the WAN mail server's point of view, since I don't control the ISP's mail server. |
| 23:01.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | your graph really just shows a bunch of computers around a cloud :) |
| 23:01.17 | beardy | mactimes: There should be. debian-administration.org has some decent articles, search there for "setup mail" perhaps. |
| 23:01.22 | bmoll8 | hello everyone--I am a fbsd user who just installed debian testing. Just wanted to say that this is an amazing os; I wish I had installed it earlier |
| 23:01.58 | mactimes | Cueball: I know it stinks, but that was just illustrative, didn't have the intention to make "a picture worth a thousand words", if you know what I mean. |
| 23:02.04 | bmoll8 | I am curious--is 'update-rc.d' the debian analogue of manually editing '/etc/rc.conf' on freebsd? |
| 23:02.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, did you install with a bsd kernel :) |
| 23:02.15 | bmoll8 | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, no no |
| 23:02.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could! |
| 23:02.28 | mactimes | beardy: Alright, but, what specifically would that be called? A mail gateway? |
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| 23:02.52 | Javi-K | Hi |
| 23:02.54 | simNIX | bmoll8, compareble if you also take in account /etc/default/* |
| 23:03.06 | rgr | mactimes: a mail server :-) |
| 23:03.10 | bmoll8 | simNIX: yes, in fbsd we have /etc/defaults/rc.conf |
| 23:03.16 | simNIX | I know |
| 23:03.17 | beardy | mactimes: A smarthost/mail gateway, I think. I'm sure someone else fiddles more with mail and can give you a better answer to that. |
| 23:03.19 | bmoll8 | simNIX: /etc/rc.conf is the file of overrides |
| 23:03.21 | mactimes | rgr: I meant the config. |
| 23:03.21 | simNIX | I run it :) |
| 23:03.24 | bmoll8 | simNIX: oh, ok |
| 23:03.36 | simNIX | but in rc.conf you also can set options |
| 23:03.43 | simNIX | thats on debian in /etc/defailt |
| 23:03.47 | simNIX | *default |
| 23:04.09 | bmoll8 | simNIX: what file is the set of overrides in debian? |
| 23:04.09 | simNIX | FWIW FreeBSD and Debian are my favourites |
| 23:04.18 | simNIX | no single file |
| 23:04.23 | bmoll8 | simNIX: freebsd is excellent for servers--for desktops, not so much |
| 23:04.33 | simNIX | its not defailt like that |
| 23:04.43 | simNIX | more in /etc/defialt you can mod it |
| 23:04.44 | mactimes | Thank you, eveyone, for the replies. I feel I can find a better solution now, with all the provided info. |
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| 23:04.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | mactimes, it really depends a lot on how your ISPs webserver is set up... |
| 23:05.00 | bmoll8 | simNIX: i find it strnage that there is no override file |
| 23:05.00 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, that's the problem. |
| 23:05.41 | bmoll8 | simNIX: simNIX the problem I had with freebsd is that there aren't enough packages |
| 23:05.50 | simNIX | I just take it as is - as long as it works IMHO - ) |
| 23:05.57 | bmoll8 | I don't always want to compile everything; small software, sure--but not larger ones |
| 23:05.58 | simNIX | in ports not ? |
| 23:06.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I had a setup pretty much like that (or totally different - depending on how you interpret the graph) running on my last university (without IMAP, there were only few users and they just sshd into the machine and read mail locally) |
| 23:06.14 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: I just want the mail gateway to work as a client, in the ISP point of view, and as a server, in the LAN point of view. So, this mail gateway would get messages just like it was a regular client, through pop3, keep the messages for customers to access them from LAN via IMAP |
| 23:06.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | mactimes, how can it work "as a client"? |
| 23:06.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | what TYPE of client |
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| 23:07.05 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, in a client/server structure, there is a server and a client, isn't there? |
| 23:07.17 | simNIX | bmoll8, the ease with wich I can automate full install with Debian for me makes it preferable over FreeBSd in big install with lots of management needed |
| 23:07.27 | simNIX | for self I like to take time for FreeBSd servers |
| 23:07.35 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: POP3/SMTP |
| 23:07.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | mactimes, sure, but there are lots of things doing mail and all use client/server |
| 23:07.43 | simNIX | automating installing them I can do but lots more cavecats |
| 23:07.45 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: For the ISP portion (WAN) |
| 23:07.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | mactimes, but pop3 only accesses the email for ONE email account, not for multiple ones |
| 23:07.59 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: And IMAP/SMTP for the LAN portion |
| 23:08.15 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: THat if you have a single account. |
| 23:08.31 | bmoll8 | simNIX: this is why I am installing debian; much maintenance is needed for a fbsd computer running a desktop |
| 23:08.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | who's your isp? |
| 23:08.39 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: The mail gateway should check ALL preconfigure mailboxes and hold the messages. |
| 23:08.40 | simNIX | yup |
| 23:09.08 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: Then each customer can access their mailboxes on the gateway. |
| 23:09.17 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: The same way to send messages. |
| 23:09.26 | simNIX | bmoll8, I can recommend look at fai for making installing lots of debians a breeze - im digging into that next week looks realy solid |
| 23:09.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | mactimes, I doubt exim/postfix do pop3 - they just receive smtp messages (which is overall cleaner than fetching stuff) ... if you can get your isp to forward stuff to your webserver that would be preferrable |
| 23:09.48 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: Customer will SMTP the Local Server, which will send all the messages it receives every 5 minutes. |
| 23:10.24 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: That's why I came there to ask what packages are needed. If I knew, there wouldn't be a reason for me to ask. |
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| 23:11.03 | simNIX | fetchmail ? |
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| 23:11.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | mactimes, if you have to get mail via pop3, there's stuff like fetchmail / retchmail / getmail4 / mpop etc. (apt-cache retchmail), a normal webserver will not do |
| 23:11.12 | bmoll8 | simNIX: wow....gnome detected my usb drive without a hitch. In freebsd, hal integration is broken |
| 23:11.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | simNIX, I was still typing! |
| 23:11.57 | simNIX | bmoll8, I've never had a prob with usb drives and Linux - on bsd never need one atached so dont know |
| 23:12.02 | simNIX | sorry |
| 23:12.24 | simNIX | don't cut throuad ;0) |
| 23:12.28 | simNIX | my bad |
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| 23:13.14 | simNIX | bmoll8, ive never desktoped on fbsd |
| 23:13.23 | jpinx | I have a second install of lenny which I am chrooted into and I want to prune it back to no X, no Gnome, nothing but english, etc to make a minimal install. I ran aptitude search '~RBsuggests:~i!~i' and tried to purge packages that were listed - like wswedish, but it doesn't purge. What am I missing? |
| 23:13.39 | bmoll8 | simNIX: I would avoid it, unless you are using a lightweight desktop |
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| 23:14.12 | simNIX | I read about FreeBSD kernel on Debian system |
| 23:14.30 | simNIX | so maybe soon you can run debian gnome in a freebsd jail - ) |
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| 23:15.21 | themill | !dbugs 531492 |
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| 23:15.25 | dpkg | #531492:W[apt] apt: man 5 sources.list examples with "stable" are a time bomb (patch); Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:12:01 UTC [] |
| 23:15.28 | themill | stew: ^^ |
| 23:15.28 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: Alright. I'm now getting frustrated by the answers I'm getting, so I think I'll ask it in a different way, since it's probably my fault for not being able to ask exactly what I need. |
| 23:15.38 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: Would you allow me to do that? |
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| 23:15.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | do what? |
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| 23:16.20 | simNIX | !ask |
| 23:16.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:16.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ask away... the quality of the answers depends on the precision of your questions :) |
| 23:17.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I already pointed out your graph could be everything... it doesn't specify protocols or any details that would allow for a precise answer |
| 23:17.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what you get are guesses.... |
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| 23:19.25 | jpinx | ok - I'm going to try again too -- How do I remove all dictionaries from my install? |
| 23:19.58 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: That's what I mean, but I don't mean to bother you. I just want to know if you could be a little more patient and help me understand things since I'm not used to doing what I want to do in *nix environment. I'm trying to get rid of MS addictions, like next-next-finish applications which do work in this case, but I think they can be done better, so I'm switching to Debian. Networking is working fine. Just want to have mail th |
| 23:19.58 | mactimes | e same way now. |
| 23:20.55 | jpinx | mactimes: what mailserver do you use? |
| 23:21.05 | jpinx | Postfix is not hard to configure |
| 23:21.05 | mactimes | jpinx: MDaemon |
| 23:21.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, postfix won't fetch stuff via pop3 |
| 23:21.51 | jpinx | never heard of it mactimes:) but that's not surprising given my lack of knowledge ;) |
| 23:21.52 | mactimes | jpinx: I'm not saying it's hard do configure, but people say it won't do all the work I need it to do. I just want to know what packages I should use for each task, it that is possible of being accomplished. |
| 23:22.21 | jpinx | I think postfix does imap CutMeOwnThroat |
| 23:22.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | as a client? |
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| 23:22.33 | jpinx | doesn't use it anymore |
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| 23:22.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I only used exim... and it was a regular mailhost |
| 23:22.56 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: Alright, there is the deal, with protocols. |
| 23:22.57 | jpinx | mactimes: define what you want your mailserver to do |
| 23:23.09 | agaran | mactimes: you can have any mail server software, but most would need company of fetchmail which is designed to fetch mail from pop3 account and put on local mailserver queue |
| 23:23.16 | agaran | mactimes: it is from dialup days |
| 23:23.17 | sanguisdex | is there a progaram that one can run on config file so that it will automaticly get all the depndancies? |
| 23:23.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I *also* used fetchmail, but only in a single-user solution for my local mail on a DSL connection |
| 23:23.19 | mactimes | jpinx: I'll do now. |
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| 23:23.36 | jpinx | agaran: some of us only send mail ;) |
| 23:23.41 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i have debian squeeze i can mak svn import because i get and error: svn: OPTIONS of 'http://localhost/svn/kpital': could not connect to server (http://localhost) |
| 23:23.55 | agaran | jpinx: and never read?;) |
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| 23:24.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | agaran, it's all spam! |
| 23:24.17 | deadbeef | hi guys, anyone here with squeeze or sid is experiencing problems with svn? |
| 23:24.25 | agaran | CutMeOwnThroat: i will remeber in case i ever hand to email you;) |
| 23:24.27 | mactimes | agaran: THANK YOU. I think you're getting what I need. |
| 23:24.29 | jpinx | agaran: I use ssmtp to send, and all my incoming mail goes to gmail |
| 23:24.33 | deadbeef | i'm trying to checkout a svn tree, but stracing the svn command i get: socket(PF_INET, 0x80001 /* SOCK_??? */, IPPROTO_TCP) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
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| 23:25.16 | deadbeef | i've the same problem on a sid chroot jail placed on another server |
| 23:25.21 | jpinx | so in my case I pnly send mail and use a browser to read incoming |
| 23:25.21 | deadbeef | looks like it's a debian-only problem |
| 23:25.32 | agaran | jpinx: i have one server with exim and fetchmail (and exim has virtual users in psql database) |
| 23:25.56 | agaran | jpinx: works, its even quite robust as i can define forwarding per user (aka .procmail) via sql |
| 23:26.06 | GhostlyDeath | For the PPTP/PPP client in Debian, how would I configure them so when connected to a VPN network, how can I set it to all data regardless if it's on the private network or not is sent to the VPN server? |
| 23:26.15 | jpinx | agaran: I use gmails filters for everything |
| 23:26.28 | GhostlyDeath | So it's as if my computer which is over VPN is truly on the network |
| 23:26.36 | GhostlyDeath | instead of just having internet access |
| 23:26.40 | jpinx | agaran: and I saved a lot of space on my little sdd hard drive ;) |
| 23:26.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | agaran, so what's your isp |
| 23:26.42 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat, jpinx, agaran: Now, the whole thing is: Local server gets messages for each configure mailbox from ISP server via POP3 and keeps them for local users to access them via IMAP. Local customers send email via SMTP connected to the local server, which every 5~15 minutes, connected to the ISP mail server and sends messages via SMTP. |
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| 23:26.51 | agaran | jpinx: :-) |
| 23:26.58 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: Clearer now? |
| 23:27.05 | agaran | CutMeOwnThroat: my isp has smarthost for me, |
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| 23:27.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
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| 23:27.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | agaran, I keep mixing up nicks today, I meant mactimes :( |
| 23:27.45 | agaran | CutMeOwnThroat: =) no problem |
| 23:27.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | mactimes, a bit... |
| 23:28.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | mactimes, so you're not permanently connected to the internet? |
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| 23:28.53 | jpinx | mactimes: your local users are connected to the box - how? |
| 23:28.55 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: It doesn't matter what's the ISP (it's Locaweb, if that matters that much), but since I have several customers with this setup, each one with a different ISP, that won't matter. |
| 23:29.17 | mactimes | jpinx: The box (local mail) is on the LAN |
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| 23:30.05 | jpinx | mactimes: just set them all up with nice gmail accounts and save yourself all the headaches ;) |
| 23:30.08 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: Yup, I'm permanently connected to the internet, but this way I can have backups of mail. You have no idea how Brazilian customers can mess up mails and ask for last year mail... |
| 23:30.25 | mactimes | jpinx: Can't, it's corporate mail. |
| 23:30.28 | jpinx | reckons email on a server is sooo 1990's |
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| 23:30.40 | jpinx | mactimes: so what? |
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| 23:30.56 | mactimes | Aw |
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| 23:31.29 | jpinx | mactimes: your company can buy a special gmail service if youa re paranoid |
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| 23:32.03 | jpinx | mactimes: and you will never be able to filter like gmail can |
| 23:32.41 | mandric_ | jpinx: what do you mean by special gmail service? (never heard of that) |
| 23:32.50 | jpinx | but I'm biased - I gave up email serving years ago and |
| 23:33.04 | jpinx | mandric_: google googlemail |
| 23:33.06 | mandric_ | me too ... i only forward mail ... storing it is just stupid. |
| 23:33.23 | jpinx | mandric_: I only send it ;) |
| 23:33.47 | mandric_ | is there a paid service from google or something? |
| 23:33.59 | mactimes | jpinx: So, let me see if I get it: You're telling me that, in order to have a solution I currently have on MS platform running on a *nix environment, I'll have to hire gmail and add expenses to the company just to have the same thing I currently have on Windows.. Oh yeah, that's clever. Now I wonder if MS isn't right about TCO of their systems.... |
| 23:34.00 | mandric_ | googlemail just gets me to mail.google.com |
| 23:34.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | mactimes, I think this is roughly what you want http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1694 |
| 23:34.22 | jpinx | mandric_: there are a heap of services from gmail - not all paid for - I use a free one which is brilliant and mail goes to my own domain |
| 23:34.24 | mandric_ | mactimes: you'll save tons of time and money by using google |
| 23:34.48 | jpinx | mactimes: googlemail is free |
| 23:35.00 | jpinx | mactimes: and you'll save a heap of manhours |
| 23:35.25 | jpinx | mactimes: mandric_: find the googleapps |
| 23:35.56 | themill | Just don't read the ToS while wearing a tinfoil hat |
| 23:36.02 | mactimes | mandric_: I don't like depending on 3dr party companies to have a solution. So, if Google suddenly decides to close up (I know I'll get flamed for that), I'm screwed up, is that? |
| 23:36.14 | jpinx | and your people can still pop their mail if they want |
| 23:36.24 | mandric_ | or use imap for that matter |
| 23:36.46 | jpinx | mactimes: you do what I do - run a backup on yahoo |
| 23:36.47 | mandric_ | mactimes: well then you'll just have to reinvent the wheel i guess ;D |
| 23:36.59 | jpinx | mactimes: and I back yahoo up on hotmail :p |
| 23:37.15 | sanguisdex | is there a program that one can run on configure file so that it will automatically get all the depndancies, via aptitude?? |
| 23:37.15 | mactimes | mandric_: That's what I'm saying. I currently have LOCAL backup from LOCAL mail. |
| 23:37.37 | jpinx | mactimes: pop all your mail and store it as your backup |
| 23:37.47 | mactimes | mandric_: Why do I have to change the WHOLE structure to have the same thing? |
| 23:37.52 | jpinx | but for everyday use - use gmai; |
| 23:37.53 | mactimes | Awww |
| 23:38.03 | jpinx | :) |
| 23:38.08 | mactimes | Unbelievable! |
| 23:38.21 | mactimes | You know? Forget about it. Mail server will keep on running on Windows Server. |
| 23:38.23 | jpinx | sanguisdex: looking for a command for you...... |
| 23:38.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | mactimes, roughly you need fetchmail-alike + mail-server + imap-server |
| 23:38.30 | mactimes | I'm sorry for taking your time. |
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| 23:39.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess fetchmail + dovecot + dovecot-imapd would do |
| 23:39.44 | jpinx | sanguisdex: if you have the package name and it is installed you can run aptitude purge -s <package> and see what it reports |
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| 23:40.07 | sanguisdex | jpinx: thanks, it seemed that that would be a logical tool in the debian way |
| 23:40.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a lot of alternatives for fetchmail these days that I've never tried, though... I never liked fetchmail too much, so some of them are probably better :) |
| 23:40.26 | eaglestar | hi how do you copy large files like a backup tar file to an external hdd when i try it stops and i get an input/output error |
| 23:40.35 | jpinx | sanguisdex: don't forget the -s to make it simulate only |
| 23:40.45 | eaglestar | this is a similar problem here but i have the right cable i think |
| 23:40.46 | eaglestar | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/slackware-linux-help/120350-cp-writing-filename-input-output-error.html |
| 23:40.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | eaglestar, how big a file? |
| 23:41.14 | jpinx | eaglestar: I get that with bad / dodgy hardware |
| 23:41.31 | Tramp | ... or drivers |
| 23:41.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | eaglestar, I think either your harddisk is broken, or your filesystem doesn't support files of this size (although I'm not sure if that'd produce an I/O error) |
| 23:41.49 | eaglestar | 50gb |
| 23:42.05 | eaglestar | it is a backup tar file of my home folder |
| 23:42.09 | jpinx | eaglestar: filesystem? |
| 23:42.28 | eaglestar | i have a config problem with my home from ubuntu and home from debian so i have to do a reinstall i didn't know about the config probs before |
| 23:42.29 | sanguisdex | jpinx: so if I wanted to compile the latest version of say subverion I could install the current available version and then run "aptitude purge -s subversion" to get a list of the dependancies needed to compile? |
| 23:42.32 | eaglestar | ext3 |
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| 23:43.03 | themill | sanguisdex: you'd be better off rebuilding the debian package |
| 23:43.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | ext3: Max file size 16 GiB â 2 TiB |
| 23:43.08 | jpinx | eaglestar: both sending and receiving on ext3? |
| 23:43.12 | bmoll8 | is there a way to specify in sources.list that only 'testing' index sources should be downloaded? I don't want to substitute 'squeeze' for 'testing' and then have to go back and edit the file when I want to update to testing again |
| 23:43.28 | jpinx | thanks CutMeOwnThroat that was my next google ;) |
| 23:43.29 | bmoll8 | I substituted 'testing' for 'lenny' in my sources.list, but got errors when i ran 'apt-get update' |
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| 23:43.46 | jpinx | !tell bmoll8 about pinning |
| 23:43.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | COULD be the ext3 |
| 23:43.50 | themill | !wayttd bmoll8 |
| 23:43.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, bmoll8? |
| 23:44.04 | bmoll8 | upgrade to debian testing |
| 23:44.06 | sanguisdex | themill: so use aptitude to build the program from source and then upgrade via checkinstall/ |
| 23:44.10 | eaglestar | jpinx, when only sending to my external hdd |
| 23:44.20 | bmoll8 | !wayttd upgrade to debian testing |
| 23:44.21 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, upgrade to debian testing? |
| 23:44.25 | themill | bmoll8: so you don't need lenny in there at all |
| 23:44.31 | bmoll8 | !wayttd yes |
| 23:44.31 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, yes? |
| 23:44.39 | bmoll8 | dpkg: upgrade to debian testing |
| 23:44.39 | dpkg | bmoll8: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 23:44.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, so how do you get ext3 blocksize? Block size Max file size 1 KiB 16 GiB -- if he got a blocksize of 1KiB, that could be it |
| 23:44.55 | jpinx | eaglestar: could be a lot of things then - mostly hardware problems |
| 23:45.00 | bmoll8 | themill: then what do I put; will 'testing' in lieu of 'lenny' be okay |
| 23:45.00 | eaglestar | ah i see |
| 23:45.00 | themill | bmoll8: dpkg is a bot.... stop confusing it or it will get insulting |
| 23:45.11 | themill | sanguisdex: no. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:45.25 | eaglestar | well i had to install the ntfs3g and ntfsprogs i think in synaptic so maybe there is a compatability layer problem somewhere |
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| 23:45.33 | jimcooncat | In Maine, USA: Recommendation, please, for 56K internal modem? |
| 23:45.39 | bmoll8 | themill: I subbed 'testing' for 'lenny', but got errors when i ran apt-get update--mostly of the type 'sources not found' |
| 23:45.42 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: he could try a smaller blocksize I reckon |
| 23:45.42 | eaglestar | many times i will just be sitting there and the hard drive will unmount and remount |
| 23:45.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, bigger! |
| 23:45.51 | jpinx | but I still think it's "just too big" |
| 23:45.57 | jimcooncat | No softmodems, look for dsp? |
| 23:46.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, and that means reformatting the disk |
| 23:46.08 | sanguisdex | themill: sid only has svn 1.5 I want 1.6 (it really is worth it) |
| 23:46.09 | eaglestar | automatically but the thing is i didn't have this problem as far as i can remember on ubuntu i am running lenny now |
| 23:46.09 | themill | bmoll8: perhaps pastebin your sources.list and the output of "apt-get update" so someone can look over them for you then |
| 23:46.27 | themill | judd versions subversion |
| 23:46.29 | judd | themill: subversion -- etch: 1.4.2dfsg1-2 etch-backports: 1.5.1dfsg1-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-2 sid: 1.5.6dfsg-1 squeeze: 1.5.6dfsg-1 experimental: 1.6.1dfsg-1 |
| 23:46.33 | themill | sanguisdex: ^^ experimental |
| 23:46.37 | bmoll8 | themill: debian-volatile sources were not found; everything else was okay |
| 23:46.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, I don't have ext3 - does dumpe2fs or tune2fs show the blocksize? |
| 23:46.49 | themill | bmoll8: there's no such thing as volatile for testing. |
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| 23:47.04 | jpinx | sanguisdex: can you download the deb from somewhere else and install it? |
| 23:47.08 | bmoll8 | themill: exactly; just googled it |
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| 23:47.16 | bmoll8 | themill: thanks for the patience; I am a new user who has migrated from fbsd |
| 23:47.23 | bmoll8 | themill: overall, it is am amazing system; I am wowed |
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| 23:47.34 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: tune2fs shows all that |
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| 23:47.49 | themill | bmoll8: you might want to stick with stable for a while until you know your way around debian then. Testing can be a pretty rough ride at times |
| 23:47.55 | sanguisdex | jpinx: I would have if I could find it |
| 23:48.06 | eaglestar | jpinx, so what would you recommend about backup? |
| 23:48.07 | bmoll8 | themill: really?--I had heard it was quite stable |
| 23:48.14 | jpinx | sanguisdex: go fro google dude ;) |
| 23:48.17 | themill | bmoll8: that's what "stable" is for... |
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| 23:48.25 | bmoll8 | themill: not running a server, just a desktop |
| 23:48.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, well, give him the command, then :) |
| 23:48.40 | themill | bmoll8: still... walk then run. |
| 23:48.42 | jpinx | bmoll8: I wouldn't run sid on my desktop |
| 23:48.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, got it |
| 23:48.55 | bmoll8 | themill: from what i'd read online, testing was very stable--sure, not as stable as 'stable', but still |
| 23:49.10 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: man tune2fs ;) |
| 23:49.10 | bmoll8 | themill: anyways, I figured I could pick most of the stuff up quickly, since I have come from fbsd; there are some similarities |
| 23:49.33 | jpinx | bmoll8: take the advice - install stable |
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| 23:49.41 | themill | bmoll8: it can be. But particularly just after a release, it's not that stable and when you get to broken packages, your fbsd background won't help you much. |
| 23:49.42 | bmoll8 | too late--I have already installed testing |
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| 23:49.50 | jpinx | bleh |
| 23:49.57 | bmoll8 | my netinst cd was for testing |
| 23:50.02 | bmoll8 | :( |
| 23:50.06 | themill | bmoll8: you might want to /msg dpkg apt-listchanges ; /msg dpkg apt-listbugs |
| 23:50.44 | bmoll8 | themill: are you guys running stable? |
| 23:50.52 | jpinx | is |
| 23:50.56 | sanguisdex | jpinx: ahh its in experimental not sid |
| 23:51.00 | jpinx | withbackports |
| 23:51.08 | bmoll8 | one of the reasons I left fbsd was because of some broken ports |
| 23:51.18 | bmoll8 | when I saw that vim was broken, that was the last straw |
| 23:51.22 | jpinx | !tell sanguisdex about ssb |
| 23:52.08 | themill | bmoll8: I generally only run stable (until a couple of months before release). I usually have either virtual machines and a broken-box kicking around as well but they are essentially disposable for me. My work machines are definitely not disposable. I want to work with my machines not work on them |
| 23:52.53 | jpinx | concurs with themill |
| 23:53.00 | themill | bmoll8: many others here run testing or unstable routinely. Sometimes they wish they didn't. |
| 23:53.01 | bmoll8 | themill: my concern with running stable on a desktop environment was not having access to certain newer packages |
| 23:53.24 | themill | bmoll8: rarely an issue but /msg dpkg bpo |
| 23:53.28 | jpinx | bmoll8: I have stable for work and 2 other installs in various states of broken-ness for experimenting |
| 23:54.00 | bmoll8 | well, is it possible to roll back to stable? |
| 23:54.04 | jpinx | sanguisdex: that making sense? |
| 23:54.05 | eaglestar | how do i find which packages are the most popular like in ubuntu? |
| 23:54.24 | jpinx | popcon eaglestar |
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| 23:54.38 | rhsanborn | How do I validate that hiddev is compiled in the kernel? |
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| 23:55.07 | themill | judd KCONFIG HIDDEV |
| 23:55.08 | judd | themill: Searching for 'HIDDEV' in lenny kernel config gives USB_HIDDEV=y. |
| 23:55.11 | themill | rhsanborn: ^^ |
| 23:55.47 | rhsanborn | ty |
| 23:56.13 | themill | rhsanborn: or grep -i hiddev /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 23:56.21 | sanguisdex | jpinx: it is but the problem is I am using ubuntu |
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| 23:56.24 | rhsanborn | Trying to access a silly little rocket launcher via hiddev and it isn't available. |
| 23:56.35 | themill | hehe |
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| 23:56.54 | jpinx | smites sanguisdex with an ubuntu-detector |
| 23:57.07 | themill | sanguisdex: in that case, you'll do better asking them |
| 23:57.15 | jpinx | sanguisdex: #ubuntu |
| 23:57.33 | jpinx | and everything you got in here is null and void sanguisdex |
| 23:58.23 | sanguisdex | jpinx: I was aking here because people here are better with general apt* questions |
| 23:58.39 | abrotman | sanguisdex: you're off-topic, please go to #ubuntu |
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| 23:58.53 | themill | sanguisdex: but at the stage when you're compiling packages, you need to talk to the people who make your distro, not us |
| 23:59.11 | jpinx | sanguisdex: read the topic - this is for debian users - you have 2 options - install debian or go to #ubuntu |
| 23:59.58 | JW | For modern Intel 64 bit processors, the correct distro-installer arch is amd64, right? |
