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00:00.16streunerno
00:00.23streunerdepends on your CPU
00:00.40JWDell server - Intel - "Intel EMT64"
00:00.55streuner!listvals emt64
00:00.57dpkgFactoid search of 'emt64' by value (1): why amd64.
00:00.58JWOK I"m lost - I thought ia64 was for Itanium
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00:01.13streuner!amd64
00:01.13dpkgmethinks amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64.  Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64.  The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel.  core2duo machines are amd64.  See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode.  See also <why amd64>.
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00:01.21sjokkishi. how do i make find print escaped filenames? like file\ name.foo
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00:01.38themill!wayttd sjokkis
00:01.39dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, sjokkis?
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00:01.47VespertoI've just compiled nginx 0.7.59 from source. It'll run, but the worker process runs as nobody rather than www. It doesn't generate any logs, it'll just display default pages isntead of my sites. I've copied all the files from my other site, where it's working (but i used apt there). Any suggestions?
00:02.20sjokkisthemill: i want to use find to list files matching a pattern, and i want to use the output in a bash script. to do that easily, i would like it returned in the form "file\ name.foo" as opposed to the default "file name.foo"
00:02.43themill!using find
00:02.43dpkgi heard using find is http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind
00:02.46streunerJW: /msg dpkg why amd64
00:02.46jpinxwants to know why he can't srtip a base install of all the dictionary crap.
00:03.05themillsjokkis: ^^ Look at the "-print0" option for find and the xargs -0 option.
00:03.27themilljpinx: "aptitude why" might help you
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00:03.50JWWhat's the part about "consider using i386 if you don't have a good reason to use amd64" for? Is it considered less stable/reliable/feature-filled or something?
00:03.51sjokkisthemill: -print0 just removes the /n at the end of each file doesn't it?
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00:04.02jpinxthemill: been doing that, but it still refuses to actually remove stuff that has no reason for being there
00:04.23themillsjokkis: no. It uses null characters to separate the filenames so that you don't have to worry about spaces
00:04.52themilljpinx: such as.... (don't make us ask questions like "what was the command" and "what was the error" :)
00:05.03streunerthemill just edit this factoid (why amd64)
00:05.17streunermaybe he knows more about...
00:05.25jpinxthemill: :) trying something else here - brb
00:05.32themillstreuner: ?
00:05.37themill!why amd64
00:05.37dpkgThe Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD.  At the time, Intel wanted nothing to do with it and developed IA64 instead.  AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind).  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64.
00:05.43gyaresuHi. Can someone tell me where I can find some documentation on tripwire. It's installed but the cron job comes back with an error because /var/lib/tripwire/myHostName.twd can't be found.
00:05.51streunerthemill: ah
00:06.08gyaresuThe README.Debian says nothing about post install & there's no online documentation.
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00:06.17JWgyaresu: I just ran into this myself
00:06.28gyaresuJW: Cool. I don't feel so dumb.
00:06.39streunergyaresu: is tripwire in Debian at all?
00:06.42JWgyaresu: you have to make that file the first time by hand just as if you were setting up tripwire for the first time by any other method
00:06.46gyaresustreuner: Yeah.
00:06.49JWstreuner: yes
00:06.50streunerhm
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00:07.16CutMeOwnThroatchecked the bts?
00:07.20themillstreuner: oh you mean the "use i386 unless you know you want amd64 bit"?
00:07.28broken__Hi everybody. I'm running Jaunty, and I was just looking for advice on a webcam driver problem. I have downloaded qc-usb, but it won't compile to make the .ko file
00:07.28streunerjudd, versions tripwire
00:07.29juddstreuner: tripwire -- etch: 2.3.1.2.0-10 lenny: 2.3.1.2.0-12 sid: 2.3.1.2.0-12 squeeze: 2.3.1.2.0-12
00:07.31JWgyaresu: in other words, forget that it has anything to do with debian, go read any basic tripwire-setup docs that tell you how to initiate the .twd file for the first time
00:07.33gyaresustreuner: JW Just doing a dpkg-reconfigure only comes back about signing the keys. There's a cron job setup & exim4 emails me the fail notice but there's no documentation on what you need to do.
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00:07.45themillbroken__: try #ubuntu for that
00:07.54streunerthemill; that was a question from JW
00:07.55JWgyaresu: yes, absolutely
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00:08.17themillstreuner: just trying to work out what you were going to ask me....
00:08.22JWWait I can't answer and ask questions at the same time, I'm too old for that now-a-days :-O
00:08.33streunerthemill: nm
00:08.39themill:)
00:08.39CutMeOwnThroatJW, really?
00:08.42CutMeOwnThroat:-P
00:08.45JWgyaresu: it's kind of assumed that you will be regularly maintaining tirpwire like you're supposed to ;-)
00:09.06JWgyaresu: did you understand all that?
00:09.30themillJW: for some things amd64 is slower that i386 and it's particularly problematic for non-free software (think non-free codecs, flash, java). It's better with lenny than it was with etch though.
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00:09.41gyaresuJW: I'm assuming from the  README that I'd get a 'diff' in the mail...
00:09.45JWgyaresu: also, you're going to have to configure what directories you do and don't want tripwire to be watching. If you're running a standard server and leave it with the default config you'll go crazy because things in /var and /proc and /dev are constantly changing
00:10.21JWgyaresu: you probably will, once you start maintaining it. Again, tripwire is *meant* to be maintained by a real humaniod. It's not install-and-forget software
00:10.44sjokkisthemill: now that i have a long list of files printed with -print0, do you know how i could add those to an array in bash?
00:11.17gyaresuJW: Ok, I'll do some more reading. 'Maintain' doesn't fit my preconcieved idea of what it did. I just thought I was getting a list of altered files.
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00:11.50themillsjokkis: how are you going to process the array with bash? There are generally easier ways with either xargs, find's -exec or even a while-read loop
00:11.58JWthemill, streuner: So when using amd64 on a server - no non-free stuff involved, not X or desktop either - then there's nothing to worry about, right?
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00:12.17JWgyaresu: you will - once it's setup.
00:12.17themillnot that I know of
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00:12.47JWgyaresu: and ifm for example, you're using it on a webserver where files are being edited, you'll have to regularly update the files again, so that the diff stays small
00:13.15JWgyaresu: conversely if you have a system that's not changing much (or not supposed to be ;-) ) you'll be all set once you configure and initiate it
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00:13.16gyaresuJW: But I'm not wrong that the documentation is severely 'lacking' right? I've been sitting on this for a week, giving it 5min here and there...
00:13.24CutMeOwnThroatgyaresu, hm, actually have a look at aide (apt-cache show aide), it's a gpl tripwire replacement
00:13.31JWgyaresu: I agreee, I'm not pleased with the docs
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00:13.50JWgyaresu: it took me about 3 years to finally get around to figuring that out
00:14.01gyaresuCutMeOwnThroat: Cheers mate. Looking now.
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00:14.21gyaresuJW: Ha!
00:14.29CutMeOwnThroatmight be that that's better maintained - I think the last "freeish" tripwire was v1.0 and all higer versions for many years now have been proprietary (but that's just my faint recollection)
00:14.50JW(of course I didn't actually work on it for 3 years - just once in a while take a few minutes to try it again)
00:15.16JWthemill, streunerL conversely, will amd64 be any faster on such a system (Intel EMT)?
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00:15.33ShizuoI am rubbing myself, very slowly
00:15.46themillJW: "yes no maybe um". It's workload dependent.
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00:16.07JWthemill: In this case, it's a backup server. Rsync, mostly.
00:16.08CutMeOwnThroatgyaresu, the way I see it, putting the hashes on some RO memory is best (if you don't install/change things so very often)
00:16.16gyaresuCutMeOwnThroat: Seems out of date as far as forums go & no docs...
00:16.19JWthemill: what about for other file or web serving? Or mysql?
00:16.35themillJW: nfc. I've never looked into it carefully enough.
00:16.55Niklas-Hey. How can i change the password for a user from a script?
00:16.59CutMeOwnThroatgyaresu, there's also systraq :)
00:17.06JWwell since its only got 4G of RAM I guess I won't fiddle with it right now.
00:17.25themillNiklas-: chpasswd
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00:18.08CutMeOwnThroatgyaresu, and bsign... (which looks a bit weird to me)
00:18.10Niklas-cool thanks alot themill
00:18.12gyaresuMaybe it's my assumptions that are wrong... I'm trying to harden a server. I've got ssh on a different port. I've got snort running with acidbase web frontend... I assumed tripwire would be good to know if the binaries had been changed because really even with all this I'm not sure I'd even know someone had cracked a login...
00:18.28Polarinagyaresu: Use publickey authentication for SSH.
00:18.49JWgyaresu: I think some kind of checker is a good idea, yes
00:18.53CutMeOwnThroatgyaresu, it is... but only if you put your tripwire files somewhere tamper-free
00:19.21sjokkisthemill: basically what we want to do is take a search string, pass it to find, and generate a string that can be passed to mplayer to play those files
00:19.22JWif you read the tripwire docs they make it pretty clear that you need to have the DB on a RO media or mount
00:19.25sjokkisor vlc
00:19.29gyaresuPolarina: I've got Denyhosts working and decent password.
00:19.33sjokkisthemill: think it's better to just use exec?
00:19.38gyaresuPolarina: But good suggestion :)
00:20.04CutMeOwnThroatgyaresu, I have chkrootkit installed which seems to do something similar (at least everytime I install a package, it seems to add stuff to some database... I never checked in detail what it does)
00:20.11Polarinagyaresu: And disable password authentication completely.
00:20.14themillsjokkis: probably. Either -exec with + or xargs -n1 is probably what you want
00:20.23JWgyaresu: is you're really concerned you need to look into selinux or grsecurity
00:20.37CutMeOwnThroatgyaresu, err, rkhunter, that is... it's also sending me daily mails (err.. which I seem to have ignored for a long time)
00:21.10gyaresuCutMeOwnThroat: Set it to a filter & forget about it... Yeah... That's part of my problem.
00:21.30JWIf you really want to do rootkit checking right you have to keep the checker off the system - have a script login with a fresh copy and run it every time.
00:21.56JWIf you install it and leave it and you get cracked - your "checker" can be "fixed" so that it doesn't find the rootkit
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00:22.11gyaresuJW: You're probably right but I had an SELinux enabled server & tbh it was a major PITA because some packages were not compatible. It was Gentoo and it was about 3 years ago but the memory lingers.
00:22.21sjokkisthemill: using -exec was shot down since it would mean killing mplayer a dozen time if some fool used a too general search term
00:22.40JWgyaresu: security and useability are always conflicting.
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00:22.47sjokkistthemill: or are there ways around that?
00:22.53CutMeOwnThroatgyaresu, security and convenience don't go together so well... and I tend to go more and more on the convenience side...
00:23.01gyaresuPolarina: I've thought about that but what that leaves is the ability to 'ssh myServer' from the box with the keys & they're in...
00:23.04bmoll8themill: I am really digging Debian...everything just 'works', at least with respect to the desktop
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00:23.12JWThe most secure server is the one that's turned off and drowned in concrete. Or ground to bits :-)
00:23.21bmoll8I did a minimal install, installed gnome thereafter in about 20 minutes, and now I am rocking my pc
00:23.37Trampsjokkis: he already told you: -exec .... +
00:23.49JWyou have to weight your security needs against the purpose of the server and the sensitivity of the dat that's on it
00:24.11CutMeOwnThroatJW, ground to bits... stored in a basement without electricity with a sign "beware of tiger" on the door!
00:24.30gyaresuCutMeOwnThroat: JW Ease versus secure I definitely 'get'. But I'm worried that if I can't find even a rough guide on striking a balance then what hope do others...
00:25.12sjokkisTramp: ah!
00:25.15jpinxthemill:  http://pastebin.com/df09a925 - what am I doing wrong / missing
00:25.29JWyour LAN print server doesn't need to be as secure as something processing payments. In turn, financial server doesn't need to be as secure as, say, something the gov uses for secrets
00:26.20CutMeOwnThroatjudd, versions aide
00:26.20juddCutMeOwnThroat: aide -- etch: 0.13.1-2 etch-backports: 0.13.1-5~bpo.1 lenny: 0.13.1-10 sid: 0.13.1-10 squeeze: 0.13.1-10
00:26.29CutMeOwnThroatjudd, versions tripwire
00:26.30juddCutMeOwnThroat: tripwire -- etch: 2.3.1.2.0-10 lenny: 2.3.1.2.0-12 sid: 2.3.1.2.0-12 squeeze: 2.3.1.2.0-12
00:26.43sjokkisTramp: it seems using -exec won't work, since we need to print the files first and give the user the choice of whether or not to play them. any idea how to do that?
00:26.52CutMeOwnThroatwell, both stick around at the same version #
00:27.24gyaresuchecksecurity chkrootkit{a} john{a} john-data{a} lockfile-progs{a} logcheck{a} logcheck-database{a} logtail{a} tiger{a}
00:27.27JWgyaresu: not sure what your last comment meant exactly but I guess the answer is, you have to decide for yourself what level of security you need. There is no automatic answer for you, or anyone, really
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00:27.37gyaresuChecksecurity seems to do some funky stuff...
00:27.52Blackholdhello folks, does squeezee run over 2.6.27 kernel?
00:27.54CutMeOwnThroataide seems to install ok
00:28.15BlackholdI mean, if squeezee runs by default 2.6.27?
00:28.27Blackholdor 2.6.26?
00:28.41gyaresuJW: Yeah JW my previous statement is about an overall security policy. If every sysadmin is just beating around in the dark with outdated packages and no real idea of what to use then there's something wrong.
00:28.51JWA long time ago I read that it might be better to use aide then tripwire because it was less well known (security-thourhg-obsurity) I agree with that on one level but I'm not sure if it's still less-well-known or not
00:29.08lishafter  a shutdown my mouse is not working , not loaded !! , and when i reboot my computer is fix!  this happens only after shutdown not restart!
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00:29.20JWgyaresu: well I'm afraid that's nearly the way it is. On the otherhand, there are some basic steps to avoid unecessary risk
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00:29.48JWgyaresu: I think there's a basic securing-debian doc somewhere on the debian website, have you read it?
00:29.49CutMeOwnThroatjudd, versions linux-image-2.6-686
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00:29.50juddCutMeOwnThroat: linux-image-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 squeeze: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 sid: 2.6.29+19
00:29.55CutMeOwnThroatBlackhold, ^^
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00:31.02gyaresuJW: Yeah. 'Securing Debian'... It's a process that's for sure.
00:31.35d1bgyaresu: not as much as you think.
00:31.39jpinxwhen a package "suggest" another - is that hard depends or a recommends?
00:32.09abrotmanit's a Suggests
00:32.10JW<PROTECTED>
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00:32.19BlackholdCutMeOwnThroat: what?
00:32.53jpinxaptitude why <package> reports " <other package> Suggests <package>
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00:33.07CutMeOwnThroatBlackhold, ^^^ as in see above?
00:33.21jpinxbut when I try to purge <package> , it doesn't
00:33.22CutMeOwnThroat"little arrows pointing upwards"?
00:33.35BlackholdCutMeOwnThroat: I want to reinstall my laptop, but network card only works on 2.6.27 kernels or above
00:33.45Blackholdnow I'm working with 2.6.29 kernel
00:33.55Blackholdis working great
00:33.56CutMeOwnThroatjudd just showed you the versions in the repros
00:33.57juddCutMeOwnThroat: Error: "just" is not a valid command.
00:34.14Blackholdbut most virtual machines programs gives problems
00:34.28BlackholdCutMeOwnThroat: I see that are only 2.6.26-2
00:34.36Blackholdin sid wich use?
00:35.06CutMeOwnThroat2.6.29+19 is in sid
00:35.10jpinxabrotman:  or JW what am I missing?
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00:35.23abrotmanjpinx: what?
00:35.28CutMeOwnThroatjpinx, the party of the century!
00:35.34jpinxaptitude why <package> reports " <other package> Suggests <package>
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00:35.39jpinxbut when I try to purge <package> , it doesn't
00:35.40lishafter  a shutdown my mouse is not working , not loaded !! , and when i reboot my computer is fix!  this happens only after shutdown not restart!
00:35.54BlackholdCutMeOwnThroat: ok great :D
00:36.08BlackholdCutMeOwnThroat: since lot of days?
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00:36.23CutMeOwnThroathow should I know
00:36.26beardylish: The mouse, where, in X? What kind, USB mouse?
00:36.39lishbeardy: ps/2
00:36.42jpinxabrotman: so why will it not remove the package if it's only a suggest?
00:36.51abrotmanwhat not remove?
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00:37.04abrotmanjpinx: it shouldn't install Suggests automatically
00:37.19lishbeardy: http://pastebin.com/m79002a6e
00:37.25jpinxabrotman: this is a base install I am trying to strip down
00:37.37abrotmanokay .. and ?
00:37.46jpinxabrotman: one aspect is to purge all other language support
00:37.55abrotmanlocalepurge
00:38.14BlackholdCutMeOwnThroat: maybe
00:38.18Blackhold:P
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00:38.26jpinxabrotman:  http://pastebin.com/df09a925
00:38.30Trampsjokkis: I didn't follow everything. In this case I'd read the files into an array and then first display the array (i.e. it's expansion) then us its expansion as arguments to mplayer
00:38.40beardylish: A bit strange. Any difference if you replug the mouse?
00:38.52lishnothing happens
00:39.01lishonly after the reboot!
00:39.14lishi don't know what to do:D
00:39.51lishare you gonna suggest me a usb mouse?:D
00:40.02beardylish: Hmm. In your bios, do you have some option for "Plug'n'play OS", not sure if that would make a difference.. but try changing the setting for that and see what happens..
00:40.03jpinxabrotman: I just started working up the list of not needed packages
00:40.21lishbeardy: ok thnx:)
00:40.30Trampsjokkis: it's the only way to easily preserver the boundaries of filenames (i.e. as individual array-elements)
00:41.08jpinxabrotman: and localepurge does not remove all the "wsomelanguage" packages
00:41.17CutMeOwnThroatjpinx, someone must have already done that.. also, there is emdebian...
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00:41.44jpinxCutMeOwnThroat: I thought it must be something people have done already
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00:45.33jpinxCutMeOwnThroat: emdebian is a bit extreme and appears not to be complete --  I just want to strip out stuff I don't need
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00:46.57CutMeOwnThroatjpinx, like... here http://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2009/02/msg00027.html (for a livecd in this case)
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00:47.13abrotmanjpinx: uhm .. it's telling you it'snot installed .. what's theproblem ?
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00:50.27jpinxabrotman: who's telling e it's not installed?
00:50.42abrotmanin your paste ..
00:50.46abrotmanxloadimage isn't even installed
00:51.37k-mani'm trying to build emacssnapshot on etch, but I get this error: dpkg-deb: unknown compression type `lzma'!
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00:52.01k-manperhaps the version of dpkg i have does not support lzma? is there any way to tell it to use a different form of compression?
00:52.37jpinxabrotman:  Hmm - bad foo in aptitude :-/
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00:56.09bmoll8jpinx: already found a bug in debian-testing...network manager is a bit screwy. You guys were right :)
00:56.48bmoll8found a bug report on it and everything; might have to downgrade to stable again
00:56.52jpinxbmoll8: good to hear you're paying attention -- wish I was ;)
00:57.07bmoll8well, I had read online...and many were claiming testing worked great
00:57.13bmoll8I found a bug in under 10 minutes!
00:57.31bmoll8jpinx: is downgrading recommended--that is, it is doable?
00:57.35jpinxbmoll8: it works great if you are reasonably expert ;)
00:57.36nickdalybmoll8: still, better than running windows.
00:58.03bmoll8jpinx: I will play with it a little more; if it keeps acting up, I will go back to stable
00:58.17bmoll8nickdaly: well, I am a stickler for a system that doesn't throw bs my way
00:58.26bmoll8I abandoned fbsd because it's desktop experience was crap
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00:58.49bmoll8and fbsd is a GREAT os--when it doesn't come to the desktop; I expect debian to deliever in that area, and so far stable certainly has
00:58.54jpinxbmoll8: downgrading is not supported usually, but you might get away with changing sources list and doing the update/upgrade
00:59.08bmoll8jpinx: meh, I might just do a reinstall
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00:59.13nickdalytesting, is, well, testing...  when the sarge(?) X.org changes went in, testing went without a display manager for weeks, as I recall
00:59.19bmoll8and install over my old freebsd install...not going to be using it anyways
00:59.27jpinxbmoll8: if you have the option to re-install - do that
00:59.44bmoll8lenny is the current stable, correct?
00:59.52jpinxbmoll8:  yes
00:59.52nickdalyyup
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01:00.09adbk-man: apt-cache search lzma
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01:00.59k-manadb, i installed the lzma package, and tried to rebuild but got the same error
01:01.25jpinxbmoll8: and use backports
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01:01.43adbinstalled including lzma-modules-2.6-* ?
01:01.46king_crimsoni'm having the strangest problem here.. just put a fresh install of debian on an old cyrix here, it's working fine but for some reason it can't resolve any domains
01:02.00king_crimsoni'm on it right now but i had to type in the IP of this server rather than the domain
01:02.18bmoll8jpinx: this sounds like the optimal solution
01:02.25bmoll8jpinx: install only the latest packages that you need, and no more
01:02.26k-manis it possible dpkg 1.13.26 does not know about lzma?
01:02.26king_crimsonthe /etc/network/interfaces file is identical to another lenny machine i have where the DNS works just fine, i only chaned the IP
01:02.30jpinxking_crimson: dns issues
01:02.37mactimesCutMeOwnThroat: Hey, I've been running some tests here, made part of the solution work and was wondering if you could help with the other portion.  Basically, I managed to make local server get messages via fetchmail and make them available to IMAP users via dovecot-imap.
01:02.50king_crimsonthere's nothing wrong with my dns server, every other machine i have is fine
01:02.55CutMeOwnThroatI though that's all you wanted
01:02.59k-manadb, there are no packages lzma-modules-2.6-* available to me - only 'lzma'
01:03.14CutMeOwnThroatwell, dinnertime
01:03.15CutMeOwnThroatkinda
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01:03.29adbk-man: in lenny whey are ...
01:03.46k-manadb - hmm... not etch by the looks of things
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01:03.57mactimesCutMeOwnThroat: Could you tell me what other packages I need in order to send the messages to the ISP SMTP, mapping the local account to the ISP's username?
01:04.09king_crimsoni'm retarded
01:04.11fw0rd_is there a command to quickly ascertain the distro
01:04.16king_crimsoni forgot to modify resolv.conf
01:04.19king_crimsonworking
01:04.21king_crimsonfacepalm
01:04.31king_crimsonthanks anyway
01:04.33fw0rd_hmm... facepalm doesn't seem to work
01:04.55fw0rd_try... noogies. but, is there a 'ver' command or similar to tell me what debian i am running
01:04.56hoohaahhi. in aptitude, what is "not installed packages" for? I'd think there were more, but atm there are only two items. Why is this so?
01:05.03abrotmanfw0rd_: try *harder*
01:05.14hoohaahtwo *packages
01:05.36CutMeOwnThroatmactimes, nothing, you can configure dovecot to forward it (any MTA should be able to do that, I never used dovecot, though)
01:05.43fw0rd_abrotman: the command is not found, unless you're continuing the trend of the wacked
01:05.50k-manadb, are they kernel modules?
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01:06.14fw0rd_just want to know if i am lenny or etch
01:06.23CutMeOwnThroatfw0rd_, if it's debian cat /etc/debian_version - kernel name often helps, too (uname -a)
01:06.30adbk-man: yes ;  Lempel Ziv compression method (LZMA) for Linux 2.6 on x86
01:06.38mactimesCutMeOwnThroat: Hum.  But that is possible then?  And would dovecot retain a local copy of the forwarded message in the users' outbox?
01:06.55k-manadb: why would dpkg need kernel modules of lzma to work?
01:06.56fw0rd_CutMeOwnThroat: thx. looks like '4.0'
01:07.05fw0rd_would that be lenny?
01:07.07CutMeOwnThroatfw0rd_, etch...
01:07.11fw0rd_ok
01:07.13hoohaahfeels good to finally be running squeeze instead of sid!
01:07.13adbk-man: i dunno ...
01:07.20fw0rd_thanks. good day all ;)
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01:07.38hoohaahthough I've had to pin a few apps (rtorrent, and xorg - for latest radeonhd)
01:08.07hoohaahno more 20 odd packages as upgrade candidates at the week's end
01:08.21CutMeOwnThroatmactimes, as I said I never used dovecot... normally the local email clients maintain outbox, not a forwarding mailserver, though
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01:10.45mactimesCutMeOwnThroat: Hum.  I'll give you a scenario.  Imagine a helpdesk email address, shared by many agents, acessing a single helpdesk mailbox, each helpdesk agent must be aware of incoming and outgoing messages.  That's the case in one of my customers' network.  It's not a helpdesk, but it's the same situation for the services department.
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01:11.57abrotmanmactimes: you would use a shared maildir for that
01:12.01mactimesCutMeOwnThroat: That's why I don't want workstations consumpting internet bandwidth for like 10 workstations to access the same contents on the same mailbox on the internet.
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01:12.16mactimesabrotman: That's what I want.
01:12.42abrotmanmactimes: there are other factors like the shared maildir management that will affectyour decision
01:13.09abrotmanIIRC courier has to be managed by an admin, cyrus does not, .. when i last checked with dovecot (years ago) it didn't have shared maildir
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01:13.43abrotmanand if you use uw-imapd :(
01:14.11pl4yer0newhat amkes the maildir "shared" abrotman ?   We use several shared maildirs with dovecot
01:14.15mactimesabrotman: Well, I don't really need a shared maildir.  I can just configure each users' mail client to access that same account on the local mail server.
01:14.23mactimesabrotman: Using IMAP.
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01:14.28k-manis there some way to do apt-get source -b packagename    but prevent it from doing a make clean before building?
01:14.46abrotmanpl4yer0ne: multiple people can read/write and it tracks who has seen what ?
01:15.03pl4yer0neah ok, nifty.
01:15.25stewk-man: apt-get source packagename ; cd packagename-version ; fakeroot debian/rules binary
01:15.32mactimesabrotman: Well, I don't need to track who has seen what, but only that it has been seen.
01:15.40abrotmanpl4yer0ne: and that's really oversimplifying it
01:16.06abrotmanmactimes: so yes, it sounds like you could jsut have a shared account
01:16.07k-manthanks stew
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01:18.14hoohaahguys, why does aptitude's "Not installed" dialog only show two packages? I thought there'd be tonnes more
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01:18.50mactimesabrotman: Ok.  Well, like I said, I managed to make fetchmail get the messages from the ISP and dovecot-imap to read the maildir, client mail application to connect and read inbox in the local mailserver.  What packages do I need to make smtp available on local server, retain a copy of messages sent and forward them to the ISP's mail server, masquerading the local domain name, changing it by the internet domain name, i.e. the same configured in
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01:19.14jairguys, I am about to install debian lenny using netinst cd, what posibilities I have on having the system to configure the network adapter wireless? is a 3com one.
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01:19.22hoohaahlibconsole and libusb
01:19.33jairI may need to have a wired connection before install correct?
01:19.59abrotmanmactimes: probably depends on your local SMTP server
01:20.07jpinxjair:  probably better to install over wire and configure wifi later
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01:21.29jairjpinx: yes I understand. This is a desktop and will be hard for me to move it around, I do not have wired connection at home.  The other thing I can try may be looking for one of those debian live cds, and install after booting live?
01:21.34mactimesabrotman: But that's what I want.  Setup a local SMTP, retaining copies of the messages in the outbox of the account, so that they can be seen by other agents via IMAP, masquerading these outgoing messages with the internet domain name.
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01:22.02jairjpinx: I know that ubuntu does that, there should be a debian live project somewhere
01:22.08mactimesabrotman: I haven't setup the local SMTP yet.  That's what I'm asking for.  What packages would do it?
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01:24.02jpinxjair: yes there is debian live
01:24.53jairjpinx: I will check into that thank you sir
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01:28.32abrotmanmactimes: i think postfix and exim can both do that .. but it really sounds like you're after a ticket system
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01:28.42jpinxjair: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive
01:28.59mactimesabrotman: I see your point.  In fact, I use a ticketing system myself.  But this is for a industry customer.  They don't want a ticketing system to keep track of requests, once they launch those requests on their ERP system.  But they want all sellers/production units to be aware of incoming/outgoing messages for the sales@domain email.
01:29.11jairjpinx: thank you, i will look at it and may need to install like that =)
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01:29.37jpinxjair: np
01:29.39mactimesabrotman: Each salesman have a particular mailbox and also the sales mailbox configured in the mail client application.
01:29.51mactimesabrotman: /s/particular/private
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01:30.26mactimesabrotman: The sales mailbox is used by all sales team, each sales agent has access to the mailbox.
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01:32.20abrotmanmactimes: i think postfix and exim can both do that .. but it really sounds like you're after a ticket system?
01:32.23abrotmanbah
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01:32.29abrotmanignore that
01:32.50abrotmanmactimes: i've never really had to think about that .. but many mail clients allow you to BCC an account .. you could make it so they can't delete from there ?
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01:35.22mactimesabrotman: That's another point.  They usually don't delete any incoming/outgoing messages, they just archive past messages by month in their IMAP folders.  I run regular backups of incoming/outgoing mailboxes, just to keep it safe.
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01:35.52abrotmanwishes he could get his bosses to archive anything
01:35.59mactimesabrotman: Besides, they're regular users, they want to see the "outgoing messages" in the "outgoing mailbox", if you know what I mean.
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01:36.34mactimesabrotman: Well, that was hard for me to push this "archiving habit" to them, but they've ended up doing it.
01:36.50abrotmanmy boss has email that's probably 15 years old
01:37.15johnfanyone have on idea on what sort of delay I should expect to get a reply from new-maintainer@d.o ?
01:37.33pickcoderabrotman: archive it and claim it was hardware failure
01:37.35mactimesabrotman: Well, tell me about it.  Even this customer's employees keep 1/2 year old messages in the mailboxes.
01:37.49abrotmanpickcoder: just delete it and claim hardware failsure
01:37.53abrotmanfailure
01:38.03pickcoderor that
01:38.06dondelelcarojohnf: the front desk usually responds fairly rapidly, but give it a few days
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01:39.20johnfdondelelcaro: ok cool. Only sent it on Friday so I'll wait a little longer. Hopefully they have the answer on how to get out of emeritus status
01:40.13mactimesabrotman: Well, so you were saying... Postfix can make those outgoing messages available for the IMAP outgoing mailbox and send them to the ISP.  Right?  I'll try it and see.  Thanks.
01:40.16mactimes:)
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01:41.42abrotmanmactimes: double check in #postfix .. there are some people that think i'm not quite right in the head :)
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01:42.39mactimesabrotman: hahaha, alright, thanks for all the help and chat.
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01:43.30pickcoderabrotman: you're not, but that doesn't mean you're not right
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01:44.43pickcodermactimes: which imap daemon
01:45.33mactimespickcoder: dovecot-imap
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01:45.51St0n3-C0lno testing builds?
01:45.55pickcoderI run dovecot, what's the question?
01:46.01St0n3-C0lit's empty in there.
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01:46.36beardyHow much wood could a dovecot cut, if a dovecot could cut wood?
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01:47.23king_crimsonhey again... does lenny have out of the box support for an onboard ESS Solo-1 sound card?
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01:47.35mactimespickcoder: I want to setup a local mail server, to avoid local customers which use the same mailbox in the ISP server to consume bandwidth and at the same time, be able to backup messages.
01:47.38worranyone know why gnome's appearance preferences dialog doesn't have the visual effects tab even though metacity supports compositing?
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01:48.05stewking_crimson: are you currently running linux?  do you know the deviceid/vendorid? (those would make it easy to check)
01:48.23mactimespickcoder: So, currently what I have it:  fetchmail to retrieve the messages from ISP via pop3, dovecot-imap to allow customers to connect via IMAP to the local server.
01:48.44king_crimsonit's on another box... 1 sec. i'm IRC'ing from a windoze 7 box (yes yes i know i'm sorry)
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01:48.47mactimespickcoder: That's working already (receiving messages)
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01:49.59mactimespickcoder: Now I want to setup a local SMTP, which will let me keep a copy of outgoing messages in the IMAP outgoing mailbox, and masquerade the local domain to the internet domain, and forward it to the ISP's SMTP server.
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01:50.14king_crimsonahh it's based on a ess1398 chipset according to lspci -v... again i have answered my own question. i know theres a kernel module for that.
01:50.21king_crimsond'oh
01:50.40mactimespickcoder: What should I do in order to have that?  What packages should I install and configure?  What are the steps?
01:51.41pickcodermactimes: well the first step is to get mail to go out via your ISPs mail server
01:51.44pickcoderhttp://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#relayhost
01:52.09mactimespickcoder: Right.  And then?
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01:52.17pickcoderI don't follow your "local" aspect
01:52.59pickcoderif mail is sent from IMAP then the IMAP server should be configurable to save sent messages in "sent" folder or something similar
01:53.16pickcoderask #dovecot about that
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01:53.44mactimespickcoder: It's a "local" mail server, so that the customer won't connect the mail client directly to the ISP's smtp.  Mail client would connect to the SMTP on the "local" mail server, which would retain a copy of the message on theIMAP  outbox and dispatch it through the ISP's SMTP.
01:53.53hoohaahin grub.conf, how do i make kopt= rules match different releases using the same kernel?
01:53.57mactimespickcoder: Alright.  Thanks.
01:54.02pickcoderif you don't have an external domain attached to virtuals or mydestination in postfix, then mail will be relayed through the ISP server
01:54.08hoohaahatm, i can see that it only supports rules based on kernel version, and not distro version
01:54.22abrotmanhow many distro versions do you run at once?
01:54.27pickcodermactimes: you want a proxy
01:54.36mactimespickcoder: That it.  A mail proxy.
01:54.37hoohaahabrotman: well two. I'm completing my sid->testing migration
01:54.47mactimespickcoder: I just want to know what packages I need.
01:54.56hoohaahI still want to boot into sid to cherrypick customizations into testing
01:54.58mactimespickcoder: In order to have a mail proxy.
01:55.26pickcodermactimes: I think you have everything you need.. it's a matter of configuring. I've never done proxying like that, apart from machine to machine internally.
01:55.52hoohaahabrotman: any ideas?
01:55.55mactimespickcoder: Hum ok.  Thanks.
01:56.04abrotmanhoohaah: not from me ..
01:56.04pickcoder#postfix is a good resource
01:56.13pickcoderI actually help in there when possible
01:56.14mactimespickcoder: I'll check google about mail proxy with dovecot, etc.  Thank you once again. :)
01:56.15abrotmanasks the other abrotman
01:56.36dondelelcarohoohaah: what's the point?
01:56.39abrotmanhoohaah: but is the .29 in squeeze now ?
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01:56.49abrotmanwouldn't the same kernel options work on both?
01:57.01hoohaahabrotman: well, both are running a custom kernel
01:57.06hoohaah30-rc7
01:57.36abrotmanand why don't the same kernel options work ?
01:57.36hoohaahdondelelcaro: to see if i can, and to gain a bit of knowledge?
01:57.45pickcodermactimes: dovecot can't proxy mail since it doesn't receive it
01:57.47dondelelcarohoohaah: well, there isn't such an option for update-grub
01:57.51hoohaahabrotman: i'm not sure. I've tried
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01:58.08hoohaahof course, the only variance in the rules would be root path
01:58.09dondelelcarohoohaah: but there generally isn't a need to specify such a thing; if you tell us exactly what you're trying to do, we can tell you possible solutions
01:58.27pickcodermactimes: let me rephrase that.. incoming mail comes to postfix
01:58.34pickcoderoutgoing mail goes to imap first
01:58.39pickcoderthen to postfix, hopefully
01:58.40hoohaahfor the purpose of update-grub correctly creating boot entries, for two different debian releases sharing the same kernel version
01:58.51hoohaahI don't know how else to describe what I'm trying to achieve
01:59.01hoohaahit's not as if it was an abstract query :/
01:59.19mactimespickcoder: I'm sorry if it sounds stupid, but I'm kinda lost here.  I have a MS platform mail proxy which works good, but I want to migrate it to Debian.   I'm looking for information on how to do it.
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01:59.42dondelelcarohoohaah: there's currently no way for update-grub to handle having two separate kopts with different root versions
01:59.44pickcodermactimes: then ask in #postfix first
01:59.53mactimespickcoder: Ok, thank you. :)
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02:00.09dondelelcarohoohaah: you can work around it by adding options which aren't controlled by update-grub that do what you want using /vmlinuz or similar
02:00.11hoohaahdondelelcaro: care to explain root versions?
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02:00.23dondelelcarohoohaah: different root filesystems
02:00.27hoohaahalright
02:01.01hoohaahi undertand that I can do it manually, but if debian-automagic functionality exists, I wouldn't mind using it
02:01.11dondelelcarowell, there isn't functionality to do it
02:01.12hoohaahi'll just create a stanza for unstable
02:01.29dondelelcarowhy in the world are you dual booting, though? just use a chroot
02:01.34hoohaahi'll be removing unstable soon anyway, but again, I was after a bit of knowledge
02:01.43pickcodervirtualbox anyone?
02:01.47pickcoder:P
02:02.08hoohaahdondelelcaro: as i'll be sharing dev and sys and proc, i want to isolate problems that are due to resource-use-conflict
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02:02.19hoohaahie, to address an obsolete config option
02:02.25hoohaahand not be hindered by the above
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02:04.20ootputhoohaah: that's plausible, but entirely without benefit as you'll be removing unstable anyway :)
02:04.38ootputand if I read right, you'll be pinning unstable versions anyway
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02:05.17St0n3-C0li can't find any weekly builds for testing
02:05.32St0n3-C0lare they going to be around june 5-6?
02:06.00hoohaahyeah, but besides Xorg (and radeonhd), it'll mostly be for software that has been stable upstream for an extended period of time without squeeze's attention
02:06.29hoohaahand emacs, but that's not a package
02:07.43abrotmanSt0n3-C0l: just use a lenny netinst and dist-upgrade
02:08.01abrotmanor use a daily ?
02:08.31St0n3-C0lwell, i have got a connection i would like to download a full iso
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02:09.47CutMeOwnThroatmactimes, I said that!
02:10.10abrotmanyou've got a connection ?
02:10.20abrotmanCutMeOwnThroat: but you have a funny accent
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02:10.30CutMeOwnThroatsolly mastel ablotman!
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02:11.00abrotmanwrong accent
02:11.41CutMeOwnThroatso''y mast'a ab'otma'
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02:16.58CutMeOwnThroatSt0n3-C0l, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
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02:17.28CutMeOwnThroatif you ignore Mo-Fr, it's weekly :)
02:18.42gaintsuraI've got an external USB to IDE connector  on my server, and I can't mount the drive... lsusb just sits there forever... its been sitting here for about a minute so far... and this is the only usb device on the system
02:19.23gaintsurahm.. ok well it came back..
02:19.29gaintsurabut nothing but root hub was there..
02:19.31CutMeOwnThroatperhaps it was just lazy
02:20.10St0n3-C0lI am just surprised, why there are no weekly-builds still? I just accessed them a couple of days ago. Thanks for the link though CutMeOwnThroat
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02:20.31gaintsuraCutMeOwnThroat: but its not showing the USB Mass storage device
02:20.36CutMeOwnThroatwhat would you need a weekly build for when you got a daily one?
02:20.55CutMeOwnThroatthat would only make sense if the weekly would undergo more testing... which it obviously wouldn't
02:20.55St0n3-C0lCutMeOwnThroat: Well, I need the one complete. with a DE
02:21.42CutMeOwnThroatgaintsura, not all are supported... still, check if usb_storage kernel module is loaded
02:21.58St0n3-C0lthanks. bye
02:21.59St0n3-C0l:)
02:22.34gaintsuraCutMeOwnThroat: "su -c 'modprobe usb_storage'" just put me back at the prompt... I'm assuming it wasn't loaded?
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02:23.12CutMeOwnThroatgaintsura, dmesg | tail gives you possible errors... you normally check with /sbin/lsmod | grep usb_storage
02:23.27CutMeOwnThroatbut it should have been auto-loaded by udev
02:23.55gaintsura[650359.244044] usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
02:23.56gaintsura[650374.460043] usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
02:23.56gaintsura[650374.676068] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 25
02:24.02maddashwhy does "error creating directory" show up when I try to dpkg -i my .deb? http://mibbit.com/pb/5MqKaZ
02:24.02CutMeOwnThroatalso, watch what new things appear in dmesg after you plug in the external drive
02:24.40CutMeOwnThroatmm, I'd google for that device descriptor error
02:24.46abrotmanmaddash: is that from your preinst/postinst ?
02:24.54abrotmanmaddash: does /etc/gconf/ exist ?
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02:25.29maddashabrotman: no, my deb's data.tar.gz contaiins "./etc/gconf/[blah blah, a bunch of files]" and "./usr/[executable files]"
02:25.33CutMeOwnThroatthe pre/postinst should do mkdir -p, not mkdir
02:25.42maddashabrotman: no, /etc/gconf doesn't exist
02:25.51CutMeOwnThroatcreate it
02:25.58abrotmanmaddash: that might be why? manually create it, then try again
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02:26.08CutMeOwnThroatif the package installs with it, file a bug report
02:26.12maddashabrotman: I thought these directories were automatically created upon untarring of data.tar.gz
02:26.12CutMeOwnThroathm
02:26.30CutMeOwnThroattar should do it
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02:26.55CutMeOwnThroatbut config files are not normally just overwritten
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02:27.39maddashaha
02:27.48abrotmanmaddash: in /tmp/ i'd guess .. i don't know the internals of dpkg and how it copies/creates files/directories
02:28.12gaintsuraCutMeOwnThroat: ok, well I saw it read the device, but now I can't find which device it is
02:28.15maddashthe .deb's control.tar.gz contained files, "control" and "conffiles". The second file listed references to "/etc/gconf/*"
02:28.31gaintsurawait..
02:28.35maddashabrotman: I gutted "conffiles" from control.tar.gz
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02:28.39gaintsuraI think I need to checkout what that device descriptor error it
02:28.41gaintsurais*
02:28.42maddashabrotman: thanks anyhow
02:28.45rafuch0hi everyone i am troubles whit iptables i know this maybe not be the right channel to ask but well.... i will give a try so i am trying to do a nat whit a forward drop policy this is the script i am doing but things are not working dont know what i am missing here http://pastebin.com/m152b9260
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02:32.37gaintsuraarrr wtf m8... looking around it says to modprobe -r ehci_hcd but the drive is using uhci_hcd..
02:32.55gaintsurarafuch0: have you tried #iptables yet?
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02:34.02rafuch0gaintsura: yes bro but nobody answer
02:34.28gaintsuranot had tons of exp with IPtables but I may be able to help
02:34.33abrotmanrafuch0: be patient
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02:37.04pickcoderrafuch0: if you set OUTPUT to default accept then you don't need to say accept for anything else for OUTPUT.. only deny stuff
02:37.08gaintsuramaybe not..
02:37.20Tramprafuch0: first of all, add LOGs for your policy-DROPs.
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02:38.56rafuch0ok working on that thanks...
02:39.28Tramprafuch0: the problem is, that you don't accept the related/established packets for the masqueraded connectio in FORWARD
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02:40.32rafuch0sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.2 -o eth1 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
02:40.40rafuch0there is no?
02:40.43Trampno
02:40.56Trampreplies have not -s 192.168.0.2
02:41.43Trampnor do they have -o eth1 (provided that this is your external interface)
02:42.11rafuch0yes
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02:43.07rafuch0so has to be NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT for the packerts am sending out and for the ones are coming right?
02:44.02rafuch0well i think i get it letme try i f dont come back is becuser it didnt work ;)
02:44.06rafuch0here we goo.....
02:44.26Tramprafuch0: for the initial syn-packet out "NEW" is sufficient. The rest of the handshake is RELATED (I think), after that it's ESTABLISHED I think - but you will still ..... thanks for listening
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02:44.49gaintsuraok, so after I shut my usb drive off and turn it back on this is what I get... http://pastie.org/497367
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02:52.37rafuch0ok that didnt work :(
02:52.39Shazzamystupid dpkg
02:52.59Shazzamyi did /msg dpkg guidelines and he gave me a bad answers
02:53.03Shazzamylol
02:53.14Shazzamy!tell Shazzamy guidelines
02:53.22Tramprafuch0: great. but now the LOGs you added tell you, what went wrong
02:53.24Shazzamydoes that work?
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02:54.00Shazzamy!tell Shazzamy guidelines
02:54.12abrotman!tell Shazzamy about guidelines
02:54.12rafuch0Tramp: yeah the logs forgot about those ok logs..  adding
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02:54.19abrotman!tell Shazzamy about msg the bot
02:54.19Shazzamy!smite dpkg
02:54.24dpkgsmites dpkg with a plague of spam-marketing spam
02:55.12Shazzamythanks abrotman
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02:55.40rafuch0Tramp: something like this right
02:55.43rafuch0iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -j LOG --log-level debug --log-prefix
02:55.43rafuch0"NAT OUTPUT"
02:55.47bmoll8this os is amazing; been running it on a desktop for over an hour...everything installs so smoothly and quickly
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02:56.04bmoll8i had become so sick of compiling desktop apps on my fbsd box....took forever
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02:56.47rafuch0no but my log
02:56.50rafuch0wait
02:57.46rafuch0i add this tyo my syslog.conf
02:57.48rafuch0kern.debug;kern.info /var/log/firewall
02:57.58rafuch0i a have lake a millions logs there
02:58.39Tramprafuch0: no. You want logs immediately in front of the policy drops
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03:05.33CutMeOwnThroatgaintsura, https://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbw.cgi?Gw=device+descriptor+%22error+-110%22&n=1
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03:08.58CutMeOwnThroatbmoll8, but they run 5% slower!
03:09.21bmoll8ol
03:09.22bmoll8lol
03:09.35bmoll8i got sick of the elitism as well...really, debian is just easier to use as a desktop os
03:09.38CutMeOwnThroat!gentoosmite bmoll8
03:09.38dpkgspends 6 weeks recompiling bmoll8, and when it's all done, bmoll8 runs 0.8% faster than previously
03:10.17bmoll8not to mention the ease with which one installs flash and java; painless, and fast
03:10.29CutMeOwnThroatwell... it's improving
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03:10.53jonathan1hi
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03:11.01jonathan1java is not working with iceweasel that i pulled from ports tree
03:11.04jonathan1i mean apt*^
03:11.09CutMeOwnThroatbmoll8, you have non-free in your sources.list for flash/java?
03:11.22jonathan1i installed sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-plugin
03:11.36jonathan1http://www.javatester.org/version.html i get nothing when i go here
03:11.39jonathan1and ive restarted my browser
03:11.49CutMeOwnThroatbmoll8, also "/msg dpkg dmm" for things with... difficult licenses/legal status
03:11.50jonathan1im running debian squeeze x64 with kernel 2.29
03:12.24jonathan1anyone have a clue :\
03:12.37CutMeOwnThroatI get 1.6.0_12
03:13.13CutMeOwnThroatamd64 java
03:13.15CutMeOwnThroatops
03:13.17CutMeOwnThroat!amd64 java
03:13.29CutMeOwnThroatgrr
03:13.29CutMeOwnThroat!java amd64
03:13.29dpkgTo run Sun Java as a plugin for your browser on amd64 machines, you need to create a 32bit chroot for the browser and the java plugin.  Also ask me about <nspluginwrapper>.  Alternatively, in lenny or later, try the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin package.
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03:13.46CutMeOwnThroatthat kinda stuff happens to me all day
03:14.00bmoll8wait, I am running amd64...but I am using x86-
03:14.14CutMeOwnThroat. o O ( perhaps a stiff drink would help... if not, at least I know where the problems come from )
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03:15.58CutMeOwnThroatbmoll8, you mean you have and amd64 capable system but run x86 ... that's ok if you don't have a specific reason to use amd64 ... most of the amd64 problems with proprietary things are now fixed, but x86 is still less effort, I think
03:16.11bmoll8java doesn't work for me either thoug
03:16.22bmoll8quite strange; I have installed sun-jav6-jre
03:16.41bmoll8nevermind; there it goes...jonathan, just wait a bit and your applet will load
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03:17.29markybob!ops scoer spam (porn)
03:17.29dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: markybob complains about: scoer spam (porn)
03:17.53MrSuperstardoes anyone knows where is the xrdp config file?, i didn't wanted to have LXDE as defeault remote session manager so i uninstalled it, now it's all black
03:17.54MrSuperstar:S
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03:18.15CutMeOwnThroatno, he's running amd64... as that factoid says... you need to to either run it in a 32-bit environment or use ndiswrapper or whatever
03:18.29CutMeOwnThroatxrdp?
03:18.36MrSuperstaryup
03:18.56MrSuperstarfor terminal server service
03:18.59markybobMrSuperstar, find / -name 'xrdp.ini'
03:19.33CutMeOwnThroatthat's kinda lame advice
03:19.45markybobCutMeOwnThroat, how?  it teaches him to find files in the future
03:19.50CutMeOwnThroatMrSuperstar, /etc/xrdp/*
03:20.03markybobteach them to fish, man
03:20.06CutMeOwnThroatmarkybob, it's hideously slow and searches /dev/ etc
03:20.06MrSuperstarok, let me see if it works
03:20.22CutMeOwnThroat!search
03:20.22dpkgPlease search for things rather than just asking. Eg, 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install) 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online), and <help find> (bot). <dpkg search> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>.
03:20.34CutMeOwnThroatmm
03:20.40markybobCutMeOwnThroat, apt-cache search isnt useful for that
03:20.41CutMeOwnThroatthere's also locate and dlocate
03:20.44markybobapt-file search would
03:20.48CutMeOwnThroatno, I was ... yes, apt-file
03:21.05CutMeOwnThroatI thought that factoid would also mention locate instead of also mentoning apt-cache search
03:21.05markybobyeah.  right...like i was saying, teach them to fish
03:21.21markybobyou're not doing anyone any favors otherwise
03:21.22CutMeOwnThroatbut you handed out a broken fishing rod :-P
03:21.33CutMeOwnThroat!fire
03:21.33dpkgfrom memory, fire is "Give a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day; Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life"
03:22.06CutMeOwnThroat:)
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03:22.40MrSuperstarsorry people, i'm not a noob anymore, even when it seems that i am, but my head it's not very clear today
03:22.46MrSuperstarthanks for the help
03:22.51MrSuperstar:)
03:22.56CutMeOwnThroatI wasn't complaining that you didn't hand a file, but that you picked an inefficient method... :)
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03:23.07LinuxMafiaall : hi how can i get latest version of vlc ?
03:23.18CutMeOwnThroat"apt-get install vlc"?
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03:23.26MrSuperstarfrom experimental!
03:23.27markybobLinuxMafia, http://debian-multimedia.org/
03:23.42LinuxMafiaCutMeOwnThroat, it installs 8.6
03:24.02CutMeOwnThroatjudd, versions vlc
03:24.03juddCutMeOwnThroat: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 squeeze: 0.9.8a-3 sid: 0.9.9a-2
03:24.13CutMeOwnThroat0.8.6
03:24.21CutMeOwnThroatyeah... you're running lenny...
03:24.34markybobwaves the listen to me flag
03:24.52LinuxMafiai need 9.9
03:24.59markybobLinuxMafia, http://debian-multimedia.org/
03:25.09CutMeOwnThroat!ssb
03:25.09dpkgFirst: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list.  2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.  If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
03:25.13CutMeOwnThroatLinuxMafia, ^^^
03:25.14LinuxMafiamarkybob, thanks alot
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03:25.48stewLinuxMafia: markybob is steering you wrong
03:25.49CutMeOwnThroatvlc is not in debian-multimedia
03:26.05stewLinuxMafia: if vlc was on multimedia, judd would have mentioned it when CutMeOwnThroat asked
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03:26.23LinuxMafiastew, thanks
03:26.43LinuxMafiaso i follow ssb?
03:27.04rafuch0finalyyyyyyyy
03:27.04stewLinuxMafia: yes
03:27.17rafuch0Tramp: :D
03:27.18stewLinuxMafia: well, which version of debian are you running?
03:27.19rafuch0done
03:27.30rafuch0i am goign to take a break
03:27.33LinuxMafiastew, how can i know?
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03:28.24LinuxMafiauname -a?
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03:28.30stewLinuxMafia: what does "lsb_release -c" return?
03:29.16LinuxMafiastew, the problem is it is my friends
03:29.56stewLinuxMafia: why is that a problem?
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03:30.30LinuxMafiastew, Codename:lenny
03:30.45stewLinuxMafia: then yes, SSB it is
03:31.23LinuxMafiastew, so i remove all lines that not start with src in mirror
03:31.42LinuxMafiadeb-src
03:32.05stewLinuxMafia: no need to
03:32.15stewLinuxMafia: oh, wait no, not at all
03:32.22stewLinuxMafia: you need both
03:32.39LinuxMafiaok stew so start from step 2
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03:33.16stewLinuxMafia: no, start at step 1
03:33.34CutMeOwnThroatoh, you're right - it could've been etch... I thought 0.8.6 automatically means lenny
03:33.39LinuxMafiastep 1 says add only deb-src
03:33.52CutMeOwnThroatdidn't read judds output properly
03:33.57stewLinuxMafia: did you add a deb-src line for sid?
03:34.13stewLinuxMafia: you should add a deb-src line for sid, but only a deb-src line for sid, not a deb line for sid
03:34.17LinuxMafiastew, which line
03:34.43LinuxMafiastew, just add deb-src?
03:34.45CutMeOwnThroatLinuxMafia, /msg dpkg deb-src
03:34.55LinuxMafia<PROTECTED>
03:35.01CutMeOwnThroatless space!
03:35.04stewLinuxMafia: do you currently have a deb-src line? is it for lenny? for sid? both?  neither?
03:35.41LinuxMafiai have
03:35.57stewLinuxMafia: which?
03:35.57CutMeOwnThroatI think you spelled that wrong, stew
03:36.09CutMeOwnThroatit's spelled "pastebin your /etc/apt/source.list" :-P
03:36.21stewCutMeOwnThroat: if that's what you want, tell him
03:36.42CutMeOwnThroatmore fun teasing you :)
03:38.02LinuxMafiaCutMeOwnThroat, i think it is other path
03:38.32CutMeOwnThroatyou can do apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
03:38.40CutMeOwnThroatI was missing an 's' there
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03:39.50IamSOGoh yes, it's sources... don't worry just one ass... and remember to update after that... last time I udpated it, and forgot to update... and keep wondering why it doesn't work ;o
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03:40.48LinuxMafiaCutMeOwnThroat, my friend is far from me it is hard to tell him
03:41.12CutMeOwnThroatgaintsura, did you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/88746 ? tried unloading ehci_hcd?
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03:42.02LinuxMafiathanks i try from step 2 i think i done step 1 lat time
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03:44.30CutMeOwnThroatapropos backports... how do I get miro 2.0 backported into lenny? "E: Build-dependencies for miro could not be satisfied."
03:45.21gaintsuraCutMeOwnThroat: yes I did (sorry) was cleaning out twitter..
03:45.57CutMeOwnThroatI don't necessarily agree that it's a bug in that kernel-module, though
03:46.14CutMeOwnThroatcould be flaky hardware that works at the slower pace of usb-1.0 but fails if you run it at full speed
03:47.05CutMeOwnThroatas you lose usb-2.0 support with that module according to this post, you'd automatically reduce speed and that'd "fix" the problem
03:47.10gaintsuraCutMeOwnThroat: I'm quite confused.. it worked just a month ago with another drive
03:47.25CutMeOwnThroatmight be faulty hardware, as I said
03:47.37CutMeOwnThroator even a defect cable or something like that
03:47.59jonathan1CutMeOwnThroat: I tried to use the icedtea thing and it didnt woork :(
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03:49.05CutMeOwnThroatthat leaves ndiswrapper or chroot, I guess
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03:49.59rafuch0Tramp: are you here
03:50.00rafuch0?
03:50.22Trampyes
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03:50.57rafuch0take a look at this script now  i think i got it right this time
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03:51.43Tramprafuch0:  yeah - well - I don't like looking at random scripts. Does it work?
03:52.09rafuch0http://pastebin.com/m901920d
03:52.12rafuch0yeap
03:52.25rafuch0but i want make sure and ask you something
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03:53.24gaintsuraCutMeOwnThroat: hm, if only I had another drive to test it with...
03:53.39rafuch0is good to user the filter table like i am doing for nat  read somewhere that use the filter for nating is wrong
03:53.42rafuch0?
03:54.32CutMeOwnThroatgaintsura, (and faulty hardware was actually my 1st thought on this as well)
03:55.01Tramprafuch0: you can't nat in filter. you nat in nat
03:55.11gaintsurait could be the drive... the drive was erased and then handed to me for recovery... guess I'll have to dig out a drive and find out
03:55.19rafuch0ok so i chnage that
03:55.25Tramprafuch0: ?? what
03:55.25rafuch0t filter for t nat
03:55.38Trampwhere?
03:55.59rafuch0lines 41 and 43
03:56.05rafuch0t filter for t nat
03:56.20Tramprafuch0: -t nat ...... -j MASQ <---- that's how you do it and that's ok. Don't know what you mean
03:56.35Tramprafuch0: those lines you mentioned don't nat
03:57.09CutMeOwnThroatgaintsura, dunno how useful that is, but you could read the SMART data... that's easy to do (although I'd think from the error that the electronics are broken, not that there's a lot of bad sectors on the disk)
03:57.30rafuch0look at the lines 42 43
03:57.56Tramprafuch0: yes. there you don't nat anything
03:58.26gaintsuraCutMeOwnThroat: I think it'd be better to find another drive and test it
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03:58.47rafuch0i must change that .. -t filter for -t nat right ?
03:58.57TrampNO! WHY?
03:59.13rafuch0ok will not
03:59.30Trampin those lines you filter (accept) packets. You don't nat anything there.
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04:00.27Trampyou nat with "-j DNAT, -j SNAT or -j MASQUERADE" (the last being a special case of SNAT)
04:00.43rafuch0so what i am asking you and sorry for my bad english i am not a native speakler ...  only those two ip can get to the outside right ?
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04:02.47Tramprafuch0: no. a host with a public IP could probably get outside as well (since your ACCEPTS are not restricted)
04:03.20Tramprafuch0: but if it could get packets would depend on the routing of this box (probably not)
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04:08.19rafuch0ok no worries about that public ip thing inside network nobady can get one
04:09.42rafuch0Tramp: thanks for the help
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04:10.27rafuch0the only thing left i want to do is mac filtering on those ips too
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04:12.34bmoll8hey guys...i'm trying to change the default gnome language to russian. I am able to set gdm to 'russian'; however, when I log in, I receive 'error: locale '...rus' not found. How can I remedy this?
04:12.48bmoll8i have already fun dpkg-reconfigure locales, to no avail
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04:14.20hoohaahanyone know why a dch -i would immediately abort with empty message?
04:14.32hoohaahand why doesn't it take EDITOR=' ' var?
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04:24.00eshaasehow can i determine whether or not an Intel GMA x4500 I'm considering buying is currently supported?
04:25.01shivrajeshaase: check xorg for supported cards xorg-intel-driver ?
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04:25.31shivrajeshaase: also make sure you change the Driver to "intel" once installed
04:25.58hoohaaheshaase: figure out which chipset it has, and consult xorg page for supported chipsets
04:27.18eshaaseok, how about whether or not the intel motherboard chipsets are supported?
04:27.36hoohaahsame thing, but with kernel hcl
04:28.16hoohaahsomeone may have already tried installing linux with similar hardware
04:28.26hoohaahif so, check their documentation
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04:30.03superlinuxhi all
04:30.15eshaasehoohaah: whats hcl?
04:30.27superlinuxi am here to help for entertainment reasons
04:30.54superlinuxeshaase hydro cloric acid!
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04:32.32hoohaahnah, that's HCL
04:32.32superlinuxi know
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04:32.33superlinuxjust kidding
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04:32.33hoohaahHydrocloric
04:32.33hoohaah+h
04:32.33superlinuxi know that i  missed a letter
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04:32.56superlinuxbloody letter!
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04:53.02balleynedoes anyone know of a default setting for ProFTPD in lenny that needs to be changed in order for it to accept connections from php?
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04:54.13superlinuxballeyne i dont think that it rerally needs it
04:54.20superlinuxballeyne i dont think that it really needs it
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04:57.07balleynesuperlinux: I'm getting a strange "AUTH not understood" error from ftp_login in php, not sure what the issue is. Doesn't seem to matter if I run the php command on another server, so I figure it's a problem with proftpd. any ideas what I should be checking?
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04:59.24hoohaahis dch only allowed use by root?
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05:00.12hoohaahEDITOR= or VISUAL= nano
05:00.21woojhoohaah, what are you trying to edit, a random file?
05:00.28hoohaahwooj: dch
05:00.43woojoh, I thought that was some editor you were using
05:00.47woojI'm not familiar with it.
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05:05.01sepulthelp! my porn vids hangs in konqueror!
05:05.47jmoncayohey guys, anyone here using piding? i used update-alternatives to set my defualt browser to ice weasel but when i click a link in pidgin it keeps opening ephifany
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05:07.12jmoncayook fixed it
05:07.13jmoncayo:)
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05:13.52CutMeOwnThroatsepult, OMG! YOu'll gonna have to switch to looking at still pictures!!!! panic!!!
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05:17.08scientesdebian installer wont let me use fat32/16 for /boot
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05:23.49CutMeOwnThroatperhaps because that's not such a great idea?
05:24.57CutMeOwnThroatand why would you want to do such a thing anyway
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05:27.07CutMeOwnThroatI'd say it's trivial to change /boot to vfat for anyone who will be able to deal with the problems that that might cause
05:27.26CutMeOwnThroat(after install, that is)
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05:33.02scienteshttp://samuel.thollander.net/projects/linux-on-hp-ex470/ says i need it for my hardware
05:33.08scientesbut yeah im doing it afterwards now
05:34.28mardumhello, i want to compile a 2.6 kernel, but I cant seem to install coreutils (or pretty much anything, for that matter) - typical output is here: http://pastebin.com/d1ecf6c44
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05:35.50dmoernermardum, you are attempting a sarge -> lenny upgrade. that is not supported
05:35.58dmoerneryou will have to go sarge -> etch and etch -> lenny
05:36.38mardumdmoerner: oh, I see... can I just change my sources file and then change again?
05:37.31dmoernermardum, there is some order to this, /msg dpkg sarge->etch and /msg dpkg etch->lenny
05:39.06mardumdmoerner: great, thanks!
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05:46.21CutMeOwnThroatscientes, shouldn't be a problem when you install grub into the MBR
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05:47.20scientesthis damn installer on the usb flash drive keeps stalling half way through partitioning
05:48.36CutMeOwnThroathm, that seems quite useless - is that guy saying the bios checks if there is a fat on that disks and on that base decides if it runs what's in the MBR
05:48.42CutMeOwnThroatthat sounds rather insane
05:48.53scientesmight just be voodo
05:49.00CutMeOwnThroatyou wouldn't be able to boot from ntfs as well
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05:51.02CutMeOwnThroatI don't think it can possibly be true that you have to use fat
05:51.26CutMeOwnThroathm, of course it might check for fat OR ntfs
05:51.46CutMeOwnThroatstill, I dunno that's gotta do with running the MBR
05:52.59cramoshey there, getting a problem with natting a pptp tunnel with lenny, anyone knows if this is possible ?
05:53.38CutMeOwnThroatyeah, dpkg knows everything
05:53.59CutMeOwnThroat!pptp
05:53.59dpkgfrom memory, pptp is Point to Point Tunneling Protocol, or a a very insecure unreliable way to create tunnels.  A few unfortunate ISPs use it to provide service on ethernet connected broadband networks.  See also http://www.schneier.com/paper-pptpv2.html  Also ask me about <pptp clients>, <poptop>.
05:55.02CutMeOwnThroatguess you want /msg dpkg pptp clients
05:55.49CutMeOwnThroatif you just want a tunnel between two of your machines, use ssh tunneling
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05:58.56cramosCutMeOwnThroat: i'm not doing the tunnel myself, i have a linux firewall, and i have some linux machines in the internal network trying to do a pptp connection (very insecure, i know - sucks, i know) to a remote server, i set up the connection in the firewall myself and it works great, but when i try to do it from the internal network it fails
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05:59.51CutMeOwnThroat!pptp clients
05:59.51dpkgi guess pptp clients is If you have to connect to a pptp server for your vpn, you can try kvpnc, pptpconfig (http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/) and network-manager-pptp (unofficial packages for etch or dapper are around that work but are not supported here on #debian).
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06:01.47CutMeOwnThroatthis look like there are no packages for clients in the regular repositories
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06:02.48Janosit's a NAT issue not a client issue
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06:05.00CutMeOwnThroatperhaps they're not found/used
06:06.01CutMeOwnThroatjudd, versions libdvdcss2
06:06.01juddCutMeOwnThroat: libdvdcss2 -- etch-multimedia: 1.2.9-0.0 lenny-multimedia: 1.2.10-0.2 sid-multimedia: 1.2.10-0.2 squeeze-multimedia: 1.2.10-0.2
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06:31.53hoohaahguys, i have a question with package name
06:32.10hoohaahi created a curstom package from source (applied patch) and issued dch -i
06:32.50hoohaahto make this package subject to hold until a new version upstream is released, the version will require a ~ at the end, right?
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06:33.39hoohaahsay package is at 9.06-1. new package would be 9.06-2.sexyfied~ ?
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06:34.52CutMeOwnThroathow about 9.07-1?
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06:35.27hoohaahwell, when 9.07-1 is made available, i'd have to manually 'hold' my own package
06:35.30CutMeOwnThroatpackages in the repro with the same version number have priority over installed ones if they don't have the same checksum
06:35.39hoohaahplus, i think 9.07 is a rather large jump
06:36.18CutMeOwnThroateh? it's the next non-patchlevel version number (which was what you talked about "next upstream release")
06:36.35hoohaahi confused the terms
06:36.44hoohaahi suppose i was after 'next patchlevel version number'
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06:37.00CutMeOwnThroatthen give it 9.06-3
06:37.14hoohaahyou mean -2?
06:37.26CutMeOwnThroatno, then I'd have written that
06:37.38hoohaahso from 9.07-1 patched to 9.07-3?
06:37.59hoohaahCutMeOwnThroat: do ou know the point of the tilde?
06:38.06CutMeOwnThroatoh, you already increased
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06:38.53CutMeOwnThroatno... what I was going to say was I tried something like 9.07-1.1, but that wasn't recognized as a higher number
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06:40.19CutMeOwnThroatactually I don't
06:40.25CutMeOwnThroatwhat behavior do you want from this?
06:40.45hoohaah"to make this package subject to hold..."
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06:41.22CutMeOwnThroatmanpage doesn't say anything about that
06:41.31hoohaahmight be devscripts
06:41.38hoohaahi'm still going through net archives
06:41.46CutMeOwnThroatbut hold'll mean it's never updated at all?
06:41.58hoohaahah no, devscripts is quite barren
06:42.08CutMeOwnThroator... not handled by dpkg at all, actually
06:42.14CutMeOwnThroatexcept with --force-hold
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06:42.31hoohaahwhat?
06:42.43CutMeOwnThroatwell, that bit *is* in the manpage
06:42.58xinguhoohaah: if you're trying to market a package as held? echo 'hold foopackage' | dpkg --set-selections
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06:43.06xingus/market/mark/
06:43.12CutMeOwnThroathehe, nice typo
06:43.17hoohaahxingu: but sometimes holding can be undone
06:43.20tux91Is there any point in filing bugs against packages in stable?
06:43.22hoohaahie accidentally unholding it
06:43.33CutMeOwnThroatxingu, may I market saussage inna bun to you? REALLY fresh
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06:43.43xingulaughs
06:43.47hoohaahCutMeOwnThroat: erotic
06:44.02CutMeOwnThroathoohaah, pardon?
06:44.06ssmtux91: yes
06:44.13tux91ssm: ok thanks
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06:44.22xinguhoohaah: it's a risk one takes yes; so you're after an immutable attribute? don't think there's any such animal - the admin always knows best.
06:44.32tux91ssm: but don't packages in stable only get security fixes?
06:44.36SCMLappyHello, can anyone suggest why unicode characters would be displayed as question marks by terminal?
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06:44.50CutMeOwnThroathoohaah, and shouldn't you really be called HOHAHA? I find your nick kind of disturbing
06:44.51hoohaahxingu: well they implemented it after sarge for easier package management
06:44.51tux91SCMLappy: what terminal?
06:44.57hoohaahxingu: for users, anyway
06:45.14SCMLappytux91: terminal 2.22.3
06:45.26xinguhoohaah: what's "it" in your words? apologies, I'm late to this conversation...
06:45.26hoohaahCutMeOwnThroat: sure. emo.
06:45.31CutMeOwnThroat?
06:45.33SCMLappygnome-terminal i presume
06:45.39hoohaahxingu: the use of tilde
06:45.42tux91SCMLappy: that's weird, it should support unicode
06:46.03hoohaahCutMeOwnThroat: certainly my nick isn't as disturbing as yours?
06:46.04CutMeOwnThroathoohaah, http://www.chem.wisc.edu/%7Ecic/nmr/Guides/VUG/tocsy.pdf
06:46.14hoohaahno pdf reader here
06:46.27hoohaahunless there's some sort of ncurse app that handles them well
06:47.15ssm<PROTECTED>
06:47.22CutMeOwnThroathoohaah, "less" :) pdf2text... but here's a text-page.. but doesn't have both names in the heading: http://www.chem.queensu.ca/Facilities/NMR/nmr/webcourse/tocsy.htm
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06:47.32CutMeOwnThroat(it's in line 1 though)
06:47.48ssmtux91: and the same version of the package may exist in testing or unstable
06:48.22tux91ssm: so you're saying, there is no way a stable package gets a bug fix, even if it makes the package unusable
06:48.28tux91?
06:48.49CutMeOwnThroathoohaah, my nick is really rather innocent... you can "/msg dpkg dibbler" if you care to know
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06:49.15ssmtux91: do you have a bug in a stable package that makes it unusable?
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06:49.46desynchif im going to enable SELinux and will deply the security for the ssh module on SELinux, will it affect my ssh config?
06:49.51AspinAnyone here using Red5 on Etch?
06:49.54CutMeOwnThroattux91, it does
06:50.14tux91ssm: well, it's not really a bug. The thing is, openarena won't work in multiplayer mode because all of the servers use a newer version
06:50.20tux91CutMeOwnThroat: excuse me?
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06:50.55tux91Also, there's a bug with firestarter that causes huge network timeouts
06:50.56CutMeOwnThroattux91, it does get bugfixes if there is a bug that makes the program(s) in the package unusable
06:50.58Aspinssm: prolly a patch you can get
06:51.06tux91CutMeOwnThroat: ok thanks
06:51.25ssmtux91: then you should report that as a bug, at least.  If you're lucky, a newer version will be made available somehow
06:51.40tux91ssm: in volatile repository perhaps?
06:52.16CutMeOwnThroattux91, that's why lenny is now 5.0.1 - by far not all bugs were fixed when lenny was released, but the most critical bugs were... more stuff was fixed later in 5.0.1 (the freeze already took about half a year... you can only freeze for so long)
06:52.21ssmyou're using 0.7.7 from lenny, and all the servers you've tried are using 0.8.something?
06:52.28desynchanyone?
06:52.36tux91ssm: right
06:53.11tux91When is 5.0.2 going to be released?
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06:53.23CutMeOwnThroattux91, mostly it's security updates, though... you can also /msg dpkg 5.0.1
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06:53.50tux91CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, but there're some release critical bug fixes, right?
06:54.16hoohaahwell, i've settled upon 9.06-2+sexy~
06:54.30hoohaahand indeed it conforms to the packaging rules
06:54.38CutMeOwnThroattux91, well, those were done before lenny was released... hence "release critical" (that was what the freeze was for)
06:54.40hoohaahbury naiz
06:54.43Aspintux91: I have the same problem with the game stalker, the servers seem to have a version that I cant find on the net, try contacting the server owner and see if they have a patch
06:55.02CutMeOwnThroattux91, also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases
06:55.11tux91CutMeOwnThroat: ok thanks
06:55.17ssmtux91: or you could try using the "testing" release of openarena
06:55.22tux91I'll still file the bugs, just in case
06:55.34ssmyes, please do :)
06:55.42CutMeOwnThroattux91, the trick is to fix bugs without introducing new (and potentially worse) ones ...
06:55.45tux91ssm: don't really want to use testing packages
06:56.16ssmtux91: it could mean a lot of work, potentially, yes... :)
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06:56.54CutMeOwnThroattux91, you can backport testing/unstable packages to stable yourself... "/msg dpkg ssb"  for that
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06:58.14CutMeOwnThroatssm, bah, he left
06:58.16CutMeOwnThroattypically
06:58.52CutMeOwnThroats/ly//
06:59.19ssmCutMeOwnThroat: the world is evil :P
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07:00.19CutMeOwnThroatnot as evil as the people....
07:00.53CutMeOwnThroatsquashes a hampster as it tries to run by
07:01.09jony123umm when i try to use sudo it has im not i the sudoers list how can i change that
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07:01.35CutMeOwnThroatsudo is evil!
07:01.52CutMeOwnThroat<PROTECTED>
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07:01.56jony123hmm i always thought root was the evil out of the two
07:02.30CutMeOwnThroatalso, man sudoers
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07:02.38jony123cool another question is their any command line programs that can play mp3 songs
07:03.16CutMeOwnThroatthere!
07:03.17dondelelcarojony123: mpg321, mpd, etc.
07:03.23CutMeOwnThroatand lots...
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07:03.43jony123do you recommend any inparticular?
07:03.55dondelelcarojony123: I use mpd myself, but others use other things
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07:04.18CutMeOwnThroatreally depends on what you want
07:04.37CutMeOwnThroatisnt there a text or ncurses client for xmms2, too?
07:04.52jony123ohh is their any that can play in the back ground sorta so while its playing i can still work?
07:04.54CutMeOwnThroatmpg123 or mpg321 are kind of simple
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07:05.34CutMeOwnThroaterr... all?
07:05.48jony123im on a command line only machine
07:06.08CutMeOwnThroatwell, even if it uses one terminal, you still got at least 4 of them
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07:06.31jony123explain more please?
07:06.45CutMeOwnThroatctrl-F1 ctrl-F2 etc. to swap?
07:07.02CutMeOwnThroatbut try xmms2-client-cli
07:07.19CutMeOwnThroatI never tried that, though
07:07.28jony123im guessing it wont allow me to do that while im using irc?
07:07.38CutMeOwnThroatsure...
07:07.45CutMeOwnThroathit crtl-F2 and log in a 2nd time
07:07.57jony123it isnt working
07:08.28simonrvnalt not ctrl
07:08.30cirzgamantimpd is a music demon; you can for example start music on one console, then stop it on another etc. so it's truly in the background
07:08.37CutMeOwnThroatooops, right.
07:08.49CutMeOwnThroatsimonrvn, thanks... would never have occured to me
07:08.50jony123lol thought my keyboard was srewd
07:08.59cirzgamantibut it uses a database, so it's takes some getting used to.
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07:09.19CutMeOwnThroatI'll remember to always say ctrl-alt-F2.. that doesn't allow me to mix anything up :)
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07:10.10CutMeOwnThroatsimonrvn, of course, when trying to switch consoles myself, it'd have taken 10ms or less to figure out :)
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07:10.56simonrvn:p
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07:12.24Aspinno Red5 users then?
07:13.00jony123is their anyway to copy and paste in command line?
07:13.09CutMeOwnThroatAspin, no, but some of use are psychic
07:13.20CutMeOwnThroatjony123, mouse?
07:13.24Aspinnot heard of that one
07:13.40Aspin:)
07:13.41jony123i have no gui im using command line on;y
07:13.44jony123only*
07:13.45CutMeOwnThroatjony123, gpm supports mouse and copy&paste
07:13.57jony123gpm?
07:14.05simonrvn!gpm
07:14.06dpkggpm (General Purpose Mouse) is a package for use of the mouse in a Linux (text-only) console.  Install it, then use left button to select text, middle or right button to paste.  In some applications (such as elinks), you have to hold down Shift in order to cut or paste, otherwise the app itself interprets the mouse clicks.
07:14.12CutMeOwnThroatalthough it hasn't worked for me in ages... but I think that's because it doesn't work together with X
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07:14.23simonrvnit does
07:14.31CutMeOwnThroatnot for me it doesn't
07:14.39jony123cool i goto alt-f2
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07:15.01simonrvnthat used to be a concern before the linux input layer came into general use
07:15.21CutMeOwnThroathm, let me install it again
07:15.56simonrvnjust like x, you just have to have the right protocol set.
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07:16.14CutMeOwnThroatI had
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07:16.23CutMeOwnThroatlast time I tried to use it
07:16.26baobaois there tool for watching dvd while dling, like funshion and qvod in windows?
07:16.27CutMeOwnThroat... several years ago
07:16.36CutMeOwnThroatbaobao, mplayer?
07:16.55baobaomplayer play file while it's 2% finish dl?
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07:17.13simonrvni done it, a while ago.
07:17.16CutMeOwnThroatsimonrvn, indeed, it, teh werkz!
07:17.18baobaowith funshion and qvod, it starts to play at 1% of whole movie
07:17.20simonrvni've*
07:17.22liableshould
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07:17.49CutMeOwnThroat!wdyti baobao
07:17.49dpkgWhy don't you just try it, baobao?
07:17.59simonrvnit'll complain that it reached the end of the file, and quit, but it worked for me back then.
07:18.15baobaoi tried, it cannot
07:18.42CutMeOwnThroatbaobao, giving mplayer the file as argument often works... kind of... there's a dvd:// --dvd-device=/path-to-file syntax that might work better
07:18.58baobaobut that movie is still being download
07:19.09CutMeOwnThroatwell, it worked for me
07:19.13CutMeOwnThroatAND simonrvn
07:19.13liableis it a torrent?
07:19.30CutMeOwnThroatso if it doesn't work for you it must be your karma
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07:20.24CutMeOwnThroatalso, it might still be busy downloading zeros if it's only got 2% or so
07:20.39CutMeOwnThroatvideo on DVD is SUCH an effective format
07:20.40cirzgamantibaobao: mplayer needs the first blocks to play the movie, and the last ones to be able to move inside the file. otherwise, 1% should be fine
07:20.50jony123wow i did not under stand man sudoers at all
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07:21.11baobaohave you guys tried funshion and qvod in windows? if yes, then you know what i mean by 1% or 2%
07:21.25simonrvnwe know what you mean...
07:21.44simonrvn!sudoers
07:21.44dpkgYou can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username).  For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo'.  See also <visudo>.
07:21.49CutMeOwnThroatjony123, guess then you must blindly add <yournick>  ALL=(ALL) ALL
07:22.25CutMeOwnThroatbaobao, I haven't even tried this "windows" you keep talking about
07:22.38CutMeOwnThroatwhatever that is
07:23.06CutMeOwnThroatwell, actually there's a window behind me
07:23.09baobaofor example, funshion let me choose a movie, and start dling, while it's at 1% from offset, it can start play right away
07:23.13CutMeOwnThroatand it's high, so I guess I'm under it
07:23.47jony123ok so how do i do this mouse magic?
07:23.52CutMeOwnThroatbaobao, try miro
07:23.56simonrvnjust be careful opening it
07:24.15simonrvnjony123: /msg dpkg gpm
07:24.19CutMeOwnThroatjony123, say abracadabra and wave the magic wand
07:24.28jony123hehe
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07:24.36simonrvns,wand,mouse,
07:24.36CutMeOwnThroaterr, the magic rodent
07:24.47simonrvnheh
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07:25.11CutMeOwnThroatno, I think you lift the mouse to your mouth and speak into it "computer, initialize search"
07:25.24CutMeOwnThroat"computer?? COMPUTER?!"
07:25.52jony123na seriosuly it wont select stuff
07:25.54simonrvnwhat's wrong with it?! it won't listen!?
07:26.45CutMeOwnThroatjust like here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19BWJQ8kjrw
07:26.49simonrvnjony123: cat /dev/input/mice and move it. see garbage come up, or nothing?
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07:27.31simonrvn(that came out of the stone age memory vault)
07:27.42CutMeOwnThroathehe
07:28.08CutMeOwnThroatI said it wouldn't work!
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07:28.18CutMeOwnThroatactually to my amazement it works for me
07:28.22simonrvnmine works
07:28.38jony123simonrvn nothing appears at all
07:28.39CutMeOwnThroathm
07:28.53CutMeOwnThroat... mouse not connected
07:28.58simonrvnall the system is functional; users need to decide what backup to recover for their project - savannah.gnu.org
07:28.58jony123arrr bloody hell who took the mouse out!!!
07:29.15simonrvnyou did?
07:29.25jony123brother stole the bloody mouse
07:29.35CutMeOwnThroatsimonrvn, and that other chappie didn't believe me when I told him some of us were psychic
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07:29.40simonrvnoops
07:30.00jony123guess i have to restart for the ps/2 mouse
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07:30.09simonrvnyup
07:30.14CutMeOwnThroatreally?
07:30.25simonrvnps/2, yes
07:30.36simonrvnyou can fry the port otherwise
07:30.50CutMeOwnThroatI unplug/replug mine every other day because it stops working
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07:30.57CutMeOwnThroatguess it's my karma
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07:31.55simonrvni use this usb mouse. was in our budget so i got 2. optical, nothing fancy.
07:32.11simonrvnone for me, and one for me honee
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07:32.40CutMeOwnThroatI heard of a fried ps/2 port once... a friend of the milk-brother of my aunts 2nd husbands daughter had that happen to him once
07:33.20simonrvnwhoah... first, what's a milk-brother?
07:33.23CutMeOwnThroat... when plugging in a ps/2 mouse
07:33.27CutMeOwnThroathehe
07:33.40sepultnot easy turkish idioms
07:33.43CutMeOwnThroatsimonrvn, something you don't have so often these days...
07:33.45sepulttranslating
07:33.46sepultlol
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07:34.19sepultmilk-brother == brother in law
07:34.21CutMeOwnThroatsimonrvn, when you are stilled not by your mother, but by a nurse or ... whatever woman might still you, you're the milk-brother of her real kid
07:34.26simonrvnCutMeOwnThroat: breastfed related thing?
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07:34.39simonrvnok
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07:34.42CutMeOwnThroatah... breastfed...not stilled
07:34.46jony123wow thats cool
07:34.50CutMeOwnThroatI thought that might be a germanism
07:34.52liableodd
07:35.04jony123!sudo
07:35.04dpkgi heard sudo is (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon.  It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it, ask me about <visudo>.
07:35.21jony123!sudoers
07:35.21dpkgYou can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username).  For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo'.  See also <visudo>.
07:35.23CutMeOwnThroat!tell jony123 -about msg the bot
07:35.38jony123sorry
07:35.40simonrvnin white society not so much, but in my community it's been known to happen... not so much with the younger gen. though
07:35.57jony123user
07:36.21CutMeOwnThroatoh well, I better go home
07:36.31CutMeOwnThroatlets see if my bike got stolen or if I drive home
07:36.31simonrvnlater
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07:40.06jony123is their anyway to log out when in command line only?
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07:40.23simonrvnyes
07:40.25dreamerhey all, why isn't pdftex in lenny?
07:40.32simonrvn'exit' or ^d
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07:41.32jony123cheers
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07:44.26jony123E: Couldn't find package mysql
07:44.51simonrvnjudd: version pdftex
07:44.52juddsimonrvn: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot.
07:44.58simonrvnjudd: versions pdftex
07:44.59juddsimonrvn: pdftex --
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07:45.43jony123apt cant find the package mysql . why not?
07:45.55simonrvnjony123: /msg dpkg search
07:46.30simonrvndreamer: it's not in debian under that name, or doesn't exist at all.
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07:47.27dreamersimonrvn: well it used to ..
07:47.36dreamerit's in etch under that name afaik
07:48.31dreameranyway, I got it now by installing some other tex-packages
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07:50.12CutMeOwnThroatah, home :)
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07:51.01CutMeOwnThroatsimonrvn, all I wanted to say with that was... I heard that ps/2 ports can be busted that way, but from the few occasions that I sampled it seems to be rare
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07:54.26simonrvnCutMeOwnThroat: seems so, but i don't fuck with it regardless
07:54.53CutMeOwnThroatthat sounded like a text from beautiful south
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07:55.16Tapoutcould i get my machine to , wake up at like 3am in the morning... rsync, and on complete... shutdown the machine (full power off, and then recycle at 3am or something?)
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07:56.29CutMeOwnThroatTapout, if the bios can wake the computer
07:56.37sepultwhy does setting /etc/security/limits.conf do not take effect ?
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07:56.57simonrvnit does
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07:57.25CutMeOwnThroathehe
07:57.26sepulti wanted to add stack limits but even after reboot nothing has changed
07:57.42Tapoutso just, bios at 3am, crontab rsync for like 3:15 .. at the end of rsync scripts, throw a shutdown -h now?    .. I think a shutdown -h now will fully shut it down
07:57.57sepultit is maybe better to set them in my .bashrc
07:58.52CutMeOwnThroatTapout, it can
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07:59.31CutMeOwnThroatand it should shutdown completely with switching off out-of-the box
07:59.39CutMeOwnThroatask again if it doesn't :)
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08:00.19Tapouti recall a while back, shutdown -h now would shutdown but wouldn't cycle the power.. "ok to shutdown" or something.. perhaps bios didn't support whatever it sends
08:00.23Tapouti'm gonna try it, save on power :)
08:02.03Tapoutyep, fully halts
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08:02.54CutMeOwnThroat!acpi
08:02.54dpkgrumour has it, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also <swsusp>, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://acpi.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/InstallationReports
08:03.28CutMeOwnThroatthat's what enables shutdown to halt the computer
08:03.48Tapoutthanks
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08:04.09Tapouthrmm.. no option to wake up at 3am, but I can.. power on by pme,ring,lan,rtc,ps2 keyboard/ps2 mouse..
08:04.12Tapoutlooks like lan
08:04.49CutMeOwnThroatthat will wake all the time if you have a windows machine on the lan
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08:06.27Tapoutya i've got windows on the lan
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08:07.04CutMeOwnThroatwindows talks in its sleep
08:07.16CutMeOwnThroat... probably due to nightmares about bill gates
08:07.38CutMeOwnThroatharsh childhood etc. etc.
08:08.03CutMeOwnThroatbut you can try... perhaps it works better than around 2001
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08:12.34CutMeOwnThroator it's because of the horrible, horrible things that were done to it
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08:13.57simonrvnbeing imaginative tonight :)
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08:14.43CutMeOwnThroatit probably doesn't talk... but screams
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08:14.54Tapoutthanks CutMeOwnThroat
08:14.56Tapouttrying now
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08:15.15CutMeOwnThroathehe... thanks for giving you nightmares, too :)
08:15.27CutMeOwnThroatquestion mark
08:15.28dreamerhmmm, I'm having trouble getting X11forwarding to work on my machine, I put X11Forwarding yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, restarted sshd, but I still get:  cannot connect to X server ( I am on a windows machine atm, running Xming and putty with X-forwarding enabled)
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08:16.20CutMeOwnThroatperhaps forwarding to the wrong port on the windows machine?s
08:16.46CutMeOwnThroatI severly doubt the problem is on the Linux side....
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08:17.31dreamerCutMeOwnThroat: never had a problem with this setup and on this network
08:17.35CutMeOwnThroatecho $DISPLAY
08:18.00dreamernothing
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08:18.20CutMeOwnThroattry it from another linux machine...
08:19.18CutMeOwnThroatif that fails you can run ssh -v -v -v -X user@host
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08:19.23RadaHi
08:19.28CutMeOwnThroatin putty/windows.. no idea
08:19.48dreamerI don't have another linux-machine nearby, but I'm trying on an old etch-machine and it forwards fine
08:19.54dreamerso it's definitely the server
08:20.19CutMeOwnThroathm, you don't have X on that machine, I guess
08:20.36RadaHow do I mount my root file system when debian boots to busybox? Need to edit fstab but 1) man pages dont work (duh) and 2) fstab wont mount my disk
08:20.43Radaerr i mean *mount wont mount my disk
08:20.46dreamerI thought you didn't need X to forward programs to another X-server
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08:21.16CutMeOwnThroatdreamer, mmm looking at the suggests for sshd
08:21.25CutMeOwnThroatyou need certain libs
08:22.20CutMeOwnThroat!ssh x11 forwarding
08:22.21dpkgYou can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary.  Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server.  Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine.  Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set.  Also ask me about <root x>.
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08:22.41CutMeOwnThroatah, you need xauth
08:23.15liabledreamer: other way round. the server is on the host, the clients are on the other box
08:23.26dreamerah, I also need xauth, which I don't have yet
08:23.41dreamerok, fixed!
08:23.55dreamerI only needed xauth to make it work :)
08:24.00CutMeOwnThroatyeah and xauth is also in the recommends of openssh-server
08:24.02dreamerhttp://www.openssh.com/faq.html#2.7
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08:24.12CutMeOwnThroatI said that!
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08:24.29dreamer:)
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08:24.37dreameryeah we read it at the same time I guess
08:24.43dreamerthnx anyway ;)
08:24.46dreamerwork now ..
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08:25.19CutMeOwnThroatwell, I knew it was because you didn't have X.. just forgot what exactly you need :)
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08:26.27LordInquisitorsempak: are you root?
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08:35.11tom760`i don't understand how my system is loading the e1000 kernel module.  i deleted it from the current kernels lib folder.  the only other e1000.ko's are under diff kernel version lib folders.
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08:35.44tom760`use sudo in front of modprobe?
08:36.03sempaki type sudo su -
08:36.04sempak?
08:36.46tom760`or that.  su - will leave you logged in as super user / root.  sudo will just run the single command with elevated (super user) privellege
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08:42.10tom760`sempak: your message brought to mind i wanted to figure out what file i modified to put the sbin dirs in the path for regular users.  i forgot.  if you want to do it on your system you can edit /etc/profile
08:42.44tom760`mainly it's typing ifconfig that i try to do as a regular user and it fails w/out the sbin in path
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08:50.48lukeacerhi
08:52.48badseriiHi! If I have a tar.gz archive of 10 gb, and want to extract it on a 20 gb drive (but it is itself on that drive), is it possible to delete files from archive while extracting? Thank you in advance.
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08:54.34mathiashi, I am trying to install my Thinkpad over PXE with tftpd-hpa and dhcp3-server. This is what I've done so far: http://pastebin.com/m1bc2e8dd My Thinkpad boots correnctly and shows the debian installer, BUT as I select "Install" it reboots.
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08:54.55mathiaswhat going wrong?
08:54.58mathiaswhat did I forget?
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08:56.09tom760`badserii: i doubt it, but i don't know for sure.
08:57.06badseriitom760`: it would be a nice feature.
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09:00.50lukeacero woud instal debian on my laptop
09:00.55tom760`badserii: i could be wrong.  there might be a way to do it w/ common tools.  i want to do something similar, but i haven't gotten around to reading up on gzip/tar enough.
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09:07.23badseriione more question: how to copy a file, say aaa/bbb/ccc/image.png to /somedir/aaa/bbb/ccc/image.png if in somedir there is not such directory as aaa ? I need to copy a huge list of such files. How to force cp to create directories if they don't exist? Thank you!
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09:08.09sempakFATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-Aug5-v06iscsi-Xeon/modules.dep: No such file or directory
09:09.16sempakhelp
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09:10.54isbearbadserii: maybe something like install -D $path /somedir/$path
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09:12.05JargonChi all, i am not the best programmer or even a good one yet ( i try to improve myself). but i would like to help any open soure project need any coder. any suggestions? thanks a lot
09:12.20mathiashi, I am trying to install my Thinkpad over PXE with tftpd-hpa and dhcp3-server. This is what I've done so far: http://pastebin.com/m1bc2e8dd My Thinkpad boots correnctly and shows the debian installer, BUT as I select "Install" it reboots. What's wrong?
09:12.22khaijehow do i stop lighttpd from serving "^.*" files
09:12.28khaije?
09:13.15streuner_sempak: what does "cat /proc/version" say?
09:13.36badseriiisbear: I'll try now
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09:14.32cadshey I gotta drop core on one of the partitions hosting my other debian system
09:14.53badseriiisbear: exactly what I needed! thanks.
09:15.34cadswhich means that I'd like to save all personal and configuration data, delete all my installed packages after backing up what configs I need to, and put everything into an archive for restoring later
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09:15.53cadsis something like this possible?
09:16.20cadsI think I can chroot into the system and save an installed package list
09:16.35cadsand I can copy ou the whole /home directory
09:17.06cadswhich actually covers everything just about... I don't know if I'll really care about preserving the packages
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09:17.52cadsbut while that makes what I'm doing simple, there's no way to restore my system later
09:18.01azeemcads: if you don't care about preserving the packages, the problem reduces to backing up /home, no?
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09:18.25cadsyeah...
09:18.34cadsbut I don't feel good about doing that
09:18.55cadsthere are hundreds of hand installed packages on that system
09:19.07cadsused it for a long time
09:19.08azeemyou should backup /etc as well at least if you want to preserve/restore system state
09:19.18azeemwhat do you mean with "hand installed"?
09:19.40cadshad to type sudo apt-get install hundreds of times
09:19.42cads:DDD
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09:19.53azeemthat's not really manually installed
09:19.56azeembut ok
09:19.58cadshaha
09:20.07cadswell it wasnt telepathically installed
09:20.08azeemcads: you can dump the list of installed packages via dpkg --get-selections
09:20.16azeemcads: apt installed it
09:20.18azeemnot you
09:20.23azeemyou just told apt what to do
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09:20.42cadsdo the packages need to have their configurations backed up somehow?
09:20.48azeem"manually installed" usually refers to compiling from source or downloading weird binary stuff from the internet and extracting it somewhere
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09:20.55azeem11:17 < azeem> you should backup /etc as well at least if you want to preserve/restore system state
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09:21.22cadsglobal package config is all in /etc?
09:21.28azeemsure
09:21.33cadssure!
09:21.48cadssmacks himself on the head
09:21.56cadsit is now so simple
09:22.15jimcooncatdon't forget any cron jobs, I think they're under /var
09:22.19Undertakerhi i'm installing lenny & i get this   ata1 softreset failed (device not ready) what am i doing wrong
09:22.54cadswow, you say cron, and my automatic updates pops up to update cron
09:22.58jony123anyone know if their is a no ip package in the respository?
09:23.09azeemjony123: a what?
09:23.21cadsthe universe conspires to synchronize in the most mundane ways
09:23.40azeemcads: the debconf database is also in /var
09:23.47jony123its like dns stuff
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09:24.23jimcooncatand website data defaults to /var/www or something similar
09:24.47azeemwell, yeah; you should know what parts of /var you need
09:25.03azeemthat's the data, not the configuration, though
09:25.12cadsanything besides home var etc and the package list?
09:26.02cadscan just delete usr?
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09:26.32mathiashi, I am trying to install my Thinkpad over PXE with tftpd-hpa and dhcp3-server. This is what I've done so far: http://pastebin.com/m1bc2e8dd My Thinkpad boots correnctly and shows the debian installer, BUT as I select "Install" it reboots. What's wrong?
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09:28.42adb!tell mathias about thinkpad
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09:30.28Peanutsns info [-]
09:30.34Peanutsbah
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09:32.55cadsrm -rf /usr , babeh
09:33.22cadsthat's fun to type
09:34.22cadsthe first time I ever typed that it was not intended to destroy my system, but surprisingly it did
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09:34.46cadshehe
09:34.59cadsi'm freeing up the space so I can check out one thing in freebsd
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09:35.17Peanutsrm -rfv /tmp :p
09:35.29qubThat fucks you up ^
09:35.31qubLol.
09:35.35PeanutsLol
09:36.51jony123if i have a program that runs a program every 30mins and its a shell program what would happen on a command line only machine
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09:40.19azeemjony123: please rephrase your question
09:41.33Peanutsjony123: i think you are looking for CRONTAB
09:42.09jony123ok well i have a program called no ip duc that every 30mins sends my ip to a server(thats not important)  its just that it gives me the option to run a file when it updates and i was wondering what would happen when the file runs on my non gui box
09:42.45azeemjony123: run what kind of file?
09:42.52azeemjony123: why don't you use cron?
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09:51.53liable!qotd0
09:51.53dpkg< koshnaranek> what are we going to do tonight, brain? < nvz> koshnaranek: same thing we do every night pinky, try to take over the world.
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09:52.36dpkg< stumbles> nvz: in that case I seem to have a whole lot of packages that i have accidentally upgraded to unstable - is there a 1 liner i can use to downgrade them all to testing?
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09:53.14blindyi just swapped my mobo in my debian server, the mobo is virtually the same chipset except for the network chipset. I have now lost eth0, how do i get it back?
09:53.32liableblindy: do you now have an eth1?
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09:53.49liableifconfig -a
09:54.01xorIs there any place online where I can check what packages Debians maintainers are thinking of including?
09:54.18blindyliable: ill check it out later. If i do have eth1, can i rename it back to eth0?
09:54.27xorIncluding in the repository.
09:54.30liableblindy: yes
09:54.34liable!z25
09:54.34dpkgAs of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address.  The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules .  If you want the mappings to change, edit that file.  See also <forcedeth mac>.  As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
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09:54.54blindyliable:  thanks
09:54.58liablenp
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09:56.21beardyxor: I'm not sure/don't recall a wishlist, as so much already is packaged.. but I guess you could look at the list of orphaned packages to see where help is needed, there's also a list with packages that just want help but aren't orphaned. Good question.
09:56.52liableor bts for rfp or itp
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09:57.07beardyxor: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/
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09:57.35xorI ask this because, I don't see ANY e-commerce applications included in the repository.
09:57.46xorEven really popular and old ones like oscommerce.
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09:58.24beardyxor: What liable said there, you can read about on the link I pasted.
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10:00.43jony123i want to tar everything thing in my home folder including all the hidden stuff except my videos folder and music folder
10:00.53jony123what would be the command
10:01.39xorThanks.
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10:03.29ray66What is the repository that contains Kde 4.2
10:03.50julian_workhey guys - I made a bad mistake and owned all of / to root. Do you know of any scripts to reset the permisions? I am using debian sid.
10:04.21beardyjony123: 'tar --exclude="videos/" --exclude="music/" cvzf myhomedir_todaysdate.tar.gz /home/youruser' Please read the manpage and info documentation on tar. You can give the options in several formats, as you noticed, I mix formats there..
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10:07.28liable?
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10:08.12Senyacant cconfigere ntp
10:08.58liablentpdate pool.ntp.org
10:10.19Senyaliable: no servers can be used, exiting
10:11.13Tapoutntp.nasa.gov ?
10:11.16liableSenya: how exactly are you trying to configure it? the line I gave you should work.
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10:11.46liableSenya: just giving some vague output isnt particularly helpfull
10:12.35beardyjony123: Disregard the last one. But really read the manual. 'tar --create --verbose --gzip --exclude=music/ --exclude=videos/ --file myhomedir_date.tar.gz /home/youruser' that will work.
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10:16.22ray66Debian Lenny 5.0 is there a repo that contains Kde 4.2 for this distro
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10:16.53liableray66: probably backports
10:17.04liablemaybe
10:17.12beardy!backports
10:17.12dpkgrumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package#s-port, http://backports.org/.  Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>.  See also <simple sid backport>.
10:17.22liablepfft
10:17.34liablei was just going to give hime the link!
10:17.43beardyBe my guest!
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10:19.57themillhttp://www.debian-desktop.org/pub/linux/debian/kde42/ is the only place I've seen KDE 4.2 for lenny but I have no idea how good or bad they are
10:20.36beardyLet me state: Don't use unofficial repos. Stick with stable.
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10:20.44themillagreed.
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10:21.18themilldoes the iyhtays dance
10:21.51beardyplays the tune
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10:24.45mefiXhow can i get a list of all currently installed packages?
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10:24.59liabledrinks the booze and loads the gun
10:25.16liablemefiX: dpkg --get-selections
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10:26.06ray66liable>kde.org states debian in unstable repo  sound like its not ready for prime time
10:26.16beardy!list all packages
10:26.16dpkgTo get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'", or aptitude search ~i -F "%p"
10:26.20beardyBoom.
10:26.29mefiXliable: thx
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10:27.16themilldpkg: tell ray66 about stable
10:27.29liableray66: i agree, kde4 isnt quite ready
10:27.53ray66liable> thanks
10:27.54themillray66: the current state of kde4 is irrelevant to it not being in stable. It was not ready in June last year when the decision was taken.
10:27.57liableray66: so you put up with some borkedness if you want the new shiny
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10:28.52ray66liable> do not want a problematic desktop
10:29.09liableno kde4 for you!
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10:29.31dm35ISPs just can set up a rdns record ?
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10:29.35liable(said in the voice of the soup nazi)
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10:31.35liabledm35: yes. depends on your providors rules. mine makes me have a soho account to set rdns
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10:31.48liableif you have a dynamic ip, dyndns and friends is the alternative
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10:38.07ananthgswhat is the player or the software that starts playing music as soon as the mouse is moved over a mp3 file?
10:39.02ananthgsany idea about this? i want to disable this feature since that player blocks my audio device and other players wont play the music.
10:39.14ananthgsthe only work-around is to restart alsa
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10:39.44Eck[screen]zomg free shelz !;o LIES
10:39.51Eck[screen]</sarcasm>
10:40.50trumpenananthgs, if you are using gnome you can turn it off in nautilus preferences
10:41.05ananthgsoh ok ...lemme check....
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10:44.28ananthgstrumpen: where are the nautilus preferences?
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10:45.36ananthgsi found it...thanks trumpen....that helped me
10:45.53trumpenananthgs, yw ;)
10:46.08ananthgsi have one more problem....
10:46.14ananthgsif u could help me out.....
10:46.30ananthgsi cant play songs in gnome-media player......
10:46.42ananthgsi can see it play...but i cant hear any sound
10:46.53ananthgsbut if i restart alsa...it works fine.
10:46.53liableyou seem to have a stuck period key too
10:47.24ananthgsha ha nope liable...its just by practice, that i keep hitting on the period key
10:47.29ananthgsthanks for making note of it.
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10:47.56mohanohihi..
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10:48.21mohanohiinstalled newly..
10:48.34mohanohiits not detecting ethernet
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10:48.58mohanohilike its not detecting the activity
10:49.14mohanohipls.. can anybody throw a light in this regard?
10:49.25Eck[screen]this is #debian, not #debianbasedmessedupdistro
10:49.26Eck[screen]:)
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10:50.08mohanohithere should be some command to activate it..
10:50.09mohanohiright?
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10:52.51mohanohianybody have idea?
10:53.18adbtry #networking
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10:53.35mohanohiok..
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10:58.14hoohaahare any ofyou using a testing box with a few sid packages? Despite apt-pinning, did you recently get passwd and login pulled in from unstable?
10:58.38sprokwhat's the name of that bluetooth file receving app for gnome?
10:58.42hoohaahgenerically, can this be a result of login/passwd being removed temporarily from testing, forcing an upgrade to unstable?
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10:59.28mohanohihoohaah: is it for me?
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11:01.08hoohaahit's for anyone with a clue
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11:02.13mohanohi:( no idea..
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11:03.21hoohaahoh i see what you mean
11:03.29hoohaahno, that was not in response to your question
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11:19.32ttyTypehi all
11:19.46ttyTypei'm installing debian on my old 366MHz iBook :D
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11:23.13jony123what command line email client will check my gmail email
11:23.34xandjony123: mutt configured for imap
11:23.59jony123how would i configure it for imap? i;ve already got mutt
11:24.15martian67google knows
11:24.20xandyes
11:24.26martian67also use pop, not imap
11:24.30xandno, do not use pop
11:24.34martian67imap support sucks pretty badly with gmail
11:24.49martian67it will fail to deliver messages from time to time
11:24.53martian67integration sucks
11:24.56martian67its just bad imo :/
11:24.58jony123i've only got command line...
11:25.08martian67links www.google.com
11:25.23xandI only use imap with gmail
11:25.26jony123links?
11:25.30xandnot the web interface or pop3
11:25.32martian67commandline web-browser
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11:25.39blackbeard2000hello
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11:26.25blackbeard2000what is a easy solution for streaming /dev/video in the lokal network? the server should be useable without X.
11:26.49blackbeard2000found mpeg4ip... but this seams to be dead
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11:27.39blackbeard2000mythtv-backend is much too big for my needs
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11:28.14jony123wow you can even get a comand line web browser!
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11:29.09blackbeard2000jony123:  lol, yes... For DOS and Comodore64, too ;)
11:29.49beardyblackbeard2000: vlc?
11:30.02blackbeard2000vlc doesnt work
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11:30.09beardy!doesn't work
11:30.09dpkgLook buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?".  Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
11:30.13blackbeard2000and is too big, too IMHO
11:30.35jony123hmm learn lots everyday with linux
11:31.03jony123can i save a webpage in links?
11:31.09beardyYes.
11:31.09jony123like a favourite?
11:31.17jony123(WOW) how?
11:31.17beardyPossibly.
11:31.22martian67press escape
11:31.26beardyJust look in the menus.
11:31.26blackbeard2000beardy: yea, but i dont know the exact failure anymore. tried after the vlc-streaming-howto... cant even get /dev/video displayed in vlc-frontend... crashed
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11:31.55beardyjony123: F9 or F10, or escape perhaps yes.
11:32.46jony123found ti
11:32.46jony123it
11:32.49jony123well good night
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11:33.47blackbeard2000any other ideas besides vlc?
11:34.08Polarinablackbeard2000: VLC.
11:34.12Polarinablackbeard2000: Then Totem.
11:34.19blackbeard2000without X
11:34.26Polarinablackbeard2000: libcaca
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11:34.54blackbeard2000Polarina: ascii-art?
11:34.57blackbeard2000joke
11:36.09blackbeard2000i want /dev/video to be streamed in _video_ not text... but not in X.. in CLI or as a deamon... Not vlc, not totem, not mythtv
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11:37.41Polarinablackbeard2000: To a video file?
11:37.56blackbeard2000Polarina: to another PC
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11:38.14Polarinablackbeard2000: NFS mount a folder and use ffmpeg.
11:38.19blackbeard2000the _other_ PC can use vlc or any other player
11:38.53blackbeard2000Polarina: god!... I dont have the video-file... i have /dev/video _device_ which i want to be streamed
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11:39.16Polarinablackbeard2000: Hardlink /dev/video to a place which the other PC can reach it through NFS.
11:39.25Polarinablackbeard2000: ffmpeg also can handle streams, not only files.
11:40.21blackbeard2000hmmm /dev/video through NFS doesnt work.. I have the feeling
11:40.44blackbeard2000or can you export /dev/hda through NFS or such?
11:40.45mathias_hi, I finally managed to boot over PXE. The installer is running. Now I need the network installation to take its packages from 192.168.1.1 over http. I unpacked the debian ISO image to /var/www/debian-lenny. How I can enter a mirror manually in the installer. How to I have to specify this http location?
11:40.45blackbeard2000joke
11:40.51mathias_nothing I tried worked so far
11:41.06hoohaahwhat's the best way to show all packages installed that are not for squeeze?
11:41.30abrotman!tell hoohaah about which repo
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11:42.09blackbeard2000Polarina: do you know the difference between a device and a file?
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11:42.25AusLoki-hi guys
11:42.25Polarinablackbeard2000: Of course I do.
11:42.27abrotmaneverything in unix is a file!
11:42.34abrotman(except sockets i guess)
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11:42.39blackbeard2000so how would you export a device through NFS?
11:42.45AusLoki-im trying to compile pulseaudio with mingw and get an error when trying to make
11:43.36agaranblackbeard2000: you cant export DEVICE via NFS, but you can export contents of DEVICE (if its block device that has some format which might be mounted  and exported as any other part of VFS
11:43.49blackbeard2000btw. should this work somehow... and i doesnt believe this... i wouldnt work either, because the other pc is on windows
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11:44.02Polarinablackbeard2000: Samba?
11:44.28abrotmanjust use netcat and be done!
11:44.31AusLoki-how would I start to fix thix?
11:44.44abrotmanAusLoki-: pasting the error in a pastebin might be a good start
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11:44.56blackbeard2000netcat /dev/video to a windows-pc?
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11:45.40blackbeard2000the have to be solutions... there are several streaming-sites on the net... how do they do it?
11:45.49abrotmanoh .. ask them!
11:45.57blackbeard2000nice tip
11:46.03abrotmantakes a bow
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11:46.43agaranshoutcast?
11:47.01blackbeard2000: is shoutcast for video, too?
11:47.10hoohaahabrotman: hm, there are 3 versions of netcat in squeeze
11:47.18abrotmanhoohaah: not likely
11:47.19hoohaahany idea if one is less deprecated than the others?
11:47.26hoohaahwell, variations of
11:47.31abrotmanthen they're variations
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11:47.56hoohaahno ideas ?
11:47.57agaranbut if somebody find shoutcast or similar *cast tools he may find way to stream video too, i don't have /dev/video at all
11:47.58blackbeard2000hmmm shoutcast can do video
11:48.36Polarinablackbeard2000: Use Icecast.
11:48.40abrotmanhoohaah: i don't understand the problem?
11:48.53blackbeard2000whats the difference
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11:49.42hoohaahwhat he said
11:49.43blackbeard2000but icecast is for audio only as i see... not an option
11:49.51hoohaahthough for netcat variations
11:49.54Polarinablackbeard2000: Icecast is open-source, and for video too!
11:50.06blackbeard2000hmm
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11:50.37gihanhello, how can i increase open file limit on debian etch?
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11:52.31blackbeard2000haha: http://www.icecast.org/faq.php ... Icecast, the project, is a collection of programs and libraries for streaming _AUDIO_ over the Internet.
11:52.34blackbeard2000no video
11:52.44ootputhoohaah: it would behoove you to read the package descriptions
11:52.58abrotmangihan: with your ulimit stuf
11:53.15abrotmandehooves ootput
11:53.18hoohaahootput: i'm not a horse
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11:54.09enoufhas been called horselike at times :-p
11:54.28Polarinablackbeard2000: I am telling you, it does video too.
11:54.58blackbeard2000Polarina: sorry, but every answer since i asked was tjust time-consuming and not helpfull... you mean it good... but...
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11:55.23Polarinablackbeard2000: Sorry. :(
11:55.33hoohaahabrotman: i just  noticed the factoid
11:55.40hoohaahthat is one insane one-liner
11:56.02beardy!hurry
11:56.02dpkgOhhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy?  Welllllll...   We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you!
11:56.37liable!irritate beardy
11:56.37dpkgbeardy: Y iz debain so old? who uses kde thx
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11:57.47beardyLost in (one of) the splits probably.
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11:58.26beardy!confuse liable
11:58.26dpkgYes, those was your weasel yesterday, liable?  Trousers of the Democracy of Liechtenstein with extra crabpaste.
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12:01.12blackbeard2000steamcast may be an option
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12:10.49HardDisk_WPhow do I change all files in one directory to one and the same line ending format?
12:10.58pIsIq!seen x
12:10.58dpkgpIsIq: i haven't seen 'x'
12:11.00HardDisk_WPi have mixed unix and windows line encoding
12:11.40themill!unix2dos
12:11.41dpkgunix2dos is probably  perl -pi -e 's/$/\015/;s/\n/\n\032/ if (eof);', or at http://www.bsd.org/dos2unix.html, or in the sysutils package in debian, or install the flip package, and use 'flip -m', or recode
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12:12.04themillHardDisk_WP: ^^ running any of them on a file already with unix-line-endings does no harm.
12:12.26HardDisk_WPthanks
12:12.42HardDisk_WPthemill, will this run recursively?
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12:13.52themilldpkg unix2dos =~ s/sysutils/todrodos/
12:13.52dpkgthemill: OK
12:14.16themillHardDisk_WP: no, you'll need to do a little shell scripting to do that
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12:14.24HardDisk_WPkay
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12:14.52liabletodrodos?
12:14.58themillgah
12:15.10themilldpkg unix2dos =~ s/todrodos/tofrodos/
12:15.10dpkgthemill: OK
12:15.19themill!beer liable
12:15.19dpkgpours a quart of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for liable
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12:15.56liablehmm
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12:16.16liableeven that doesnt make sense to me :/
12:16.28themilljudd info tofrodos
12:16.29juddthemill: tofrodos (utils): is optional; Version: 1.7.8.debian.1-1; Size: 19.1k; Installed: 76k -- Converts DOS <-> Unix text files, alias tofromdos
12:16.45liableok
12:16.54themillliable: think "to and fro"
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12:17.08sprokI don't have the "Bluetooth File Sharing" app in my accessories menu
12:17.22themillliable: and possibly trying to keep under an 8 character filename so dropping the m...
12:17.27liablethemill: thinking is the devils work!
12:17.29hoohaahto frodo's
12:18.01abrotmansprok: i don't have Bluetooth :(
12:18.16HardDisk_WPthemill, this perl thingy adds a 0x0D at the end of the file
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12:19.46enouffrom and to ; to and from ; to and fro -- but someone should mention 'tr' as well in the factoid
12:19.51themillHardDisk_WP: yeah... that's a wierd looking one.
12:20.10themillenouf: true. It used to...
12:20.30HardDisk_WPhttp://www.keil.com/support/docs/3093.htm => argh. i have to run this on my linux machine. screw cygwin.
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12:21.01themillHardDisk_WP: cygwin will automagically muck with line endings for you depending on its settings.
12:21.24Posterdatihi
12:21.59Posterdatiplease I got problem with kernel 2.6.26-2-686 + fglrx on radeon 9200: Caught signal 11.  Server aborting
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12:25.13enoufPosterdati: pastebin lsmod | grep edac ; dmesg | grep -i agp  -- see  http://openwetware.org/wiki/Computing/Linux/Ubuntu
12:25.45kripzIm getting something on the lines of "pcspkr already registered", it freezes for like 10 minutes before continuing, how can i fix this?
12:26.03enoufbah .. doesn't seem like your issue Posterdati
12:26.21Posterdatienouf: ok, let's see
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12:29.58hkaishow to find out if the suphp is compiled with force or paranoid to enable the suphp_usergroup directive?
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12:30.40Posterdatienouf: http://pastebin.com/d447e4194
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12:31.02nan8hkais: maybe README.Debian - otherwise apt-get source ...
12:31.23enoufhaha http://www.radeonhd.org/?page=archive_display&c=radeon&m=7&y=2008&d=2008-7-13
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12:33.06hkaisnan8: if I need to recompile it, is there any howto?
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12:33.41Posterdatienouf: ?
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12:35.00shellac_hey guys ... wondering if anyone can assist with some dependency hell i'm suffering
12:35.05nan8hkais: rtfinem: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html
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12:35.59stewshellac_: /msg dpkg bat
12:35.59shellac_am custom packaging mysql enterprise binaries but can't seem to convince apt that they also provide mysql-common + mysql-client-5.0
12:36.33stewshellac_: do your binaries have a Provieds: mysql-client-5.0 ?
12:36.33nan8hkais: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-sourcebuild
12:36.36mefiXis it possible to compile the "modules_image" target without having compiled a full kernel previously?
12:36.43stewshellac_: (and Provides: mysql-common)
12:36.51shellac_yup
12:36.57hkaisnan8: thx!
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12:37.04stewshellac_: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
12:37.09shellac_np
12:37.37hkaisnan8: if I compile the suphp by my own, would I be informed by apt-get update/upgrade if a newer fix of my will came in?
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12:39.32enoufPosterdati: i don't know man - guess could try #fglrx or #ati (whichever channel exists) - try wiki.debian.org for more/other info perhaps
12:39.59nan8hkais: don't quite understand what you mean - if you follow the instruction provided above - you install the package you built manually
12:40.22Posterdatienouf: ok, thanks
12:40.36nan8hkais: and you have to take care that a newer debian version won't replace your own version
12:40.54nan8hkais: if you want apt-get to pick up your package you will have to provide your own repository
12:40.58hkaisnan8: my problem is pointed to later security-updates. If I compile the package my own, how to find out if the version will drop my changes
12:41.40nan8hkais: a new package will not automatically include your changes
12:41.56nan8hkais: you will have to rebuild a new package then
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12:43.11hkaisnan8: okay I have to manage if something changes. deb does not support any "warning message"
12:43.16hkaisam I right?
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12:44.05nan8hkais: typically you put your own package on hold => you see there is an updated to be installed but isn't
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12:44.30nan8hkais: => time to rebuild your own package
12:44.43ma3xwhy is /home/user readable by other users on the system?
12:44.48hkaisahh okay how to put my own package on hold?
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12:45.10shellac_stew: http://paste.debian.net/37814/plain/37814
12:45.14nan8hkais: but maybe someone did something clever to track debian changes and automatically rebuild modified packages - maybe ubuntu works like that? but i don't know - somebody else?
12:45.24nan8~/somebody/anybody ?
12:46.29nan8hkais: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-puttingonhold
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12:46.46stewshellac_: which package Provides: mysql-client-5.0 and mysql-common?
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12:47.02nan8hmm http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-puttingonhold maybe could need an update?
12:47.12shellac_stew: ah sorry that was my second experiment
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12:47.19shellac_stew: lemme replace with my previous
12:48.28shellac_i'm kinda confused (and the policy manual didn't help) regarding Conflicts, Replaces and Provides
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12:48.59stewnan8: yeah, you might file a bug
12:49.07nan8hkais: if you use aptitude: aptitude hold package
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12:50.41nan8stew: the newest version of the manual is in the wiki, isn't it?
12:50.51nan8stew: ~s/manual/reference
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12:51.56stewnan8: not afaik, check the debian-reference package.  if that one is out of date, file a bug against debian-reference, if its just that the website needs to be updated, file a bug against the www.debian.org pseudo-package
12:53.24nan8oh: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReference/: The new "Debian Reference (v2)" is no more build from wiki
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12:53.41nan8debian reference v2: http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/po4a/html/index.en.html
12:54.17nan8now i am a bit lost
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12:55.20kripzMy /boot/grub/menu.list seems a bit redundant, cant i trim it? http://pastebin.com/m75b3e862
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12:56.00tzangergood morning; I have an out-of-tree kernel module (omnibook) that I'd like to make a debian package for... module-assistant is definitely the wrong thing to use here, but I'm not sure which to use.  I can build and install out-of-tree modules just fine, I am just not sure hwo to make an appropriate package for debian
12:56.01shellac_stew: this is the output from my first package attempt (has all the common, server, client and virtual packages) listed in the provides http://paste.debian.net/37816/plain/37816
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12:56.38nan8this seems to be #509947: debian-reference-en: manual on website not latest
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12:58.05johnakabeanhey everyone; how do you use cp to copy preseve attributes such as group/user ownership
12:58.09stewshellac_: i believe the problem is that something has a depends on libmysqlclient15off which has a versioned depends (and a provides can't satisfy a versioned depends)
12:58.17stewjohnakabean: man cp
12:58.34nan8stew: should #509947 be reassigned to www.debian.org ?
12:59.19Floops[w]which sources http or ftp address would give u the most uptodate packages
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13:00.05themillFloops[w]: all debian mirrors should be identical
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13:00.28Floops[w]when i install and i get a ftp.bb
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13:00.39Floops[w]it doesn't usually update as good as if i put
13:00.42Floops[w]ftp.us
13:00.46Floops[w]or ftp.se
13:00.50Floops[w]tha tis the reason i asked
13:01.01Floops[w]being my geo location.. that is
13:01.10stewnan8: perhaps.  i'd ping the bug asking that though, the debian-reference maintainer should know if it's his problem or debian-www's problem
13:01.15DungeAnyone here ever used DirectFB? I'm trying it on a debian based arm device (TS7370) and color depth seems bad.
13:01.29stewnan8: (and perhaps a ping of that bug would be what's really needed to get things rolling again)
13:01.32nan8stew: will do, thanks
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13:02.39themillFloops[w]: there's no ftp.bb.debian.org listed on the official mirrors list. http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
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13:03.31stewjohnakabean: did you look at the cp manpage?
13:03.39Floops[w]thanks themill
13:03.44Floops[w]i will relook at it
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13:04.08themilland that domain doesn't exist... so what are you actually putting in your sources.list?
13:04.50Floops[w]<PROTECTED>
13:04.52Floops[w]i have this
13:05.12Floops[w]maybe i was looking at the wrong box
13:05.47IamSOGdoes anyone know ETCHnahalf still uses ETCH Kernel ?
13:05.55johnakabeanpbx_spool.c: Unable to open /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing/ Permissions denied
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13:06.05johnakabeanthe files are chowned asterisk:asterisk
13:06.10johnakabeanrecursively
13:06.12themillFloops[w]: that's also not correct. Are you copy and pasting this or are you working from memory here?
13:06.28Floops[w]i copy and paste it
13:06.31Floops[w]from the box
13:06.46themillIamSOG: etchnhalf is only really the option to use a newer kernel with etch (plus a couple of other new packages).
13:06.52mefiXdoes module-assistant look for module-sources lying under /usr/src/modules (independent of really knowing the module)?
13:06.57Floops[w]that would explain alot
13:07.04Floops[w]let me look at the list u sent earlier
13:07.06IamSOGthanks themill
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13:07.46themillFloops[w]: you might like to look at the mirrors list URL from earlier and also man 5 sources.list for the correct format. Also look at the output of "apt-get update" for errors as there would be errors from every sources.list line that you have showed us so far
13:08.19Floops[w]no errors in sources.list
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13:08.37Floops[w]full thing is
13:08.39Floops[w]deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny  main
13:08.43Floops[w]from the sources.list
13:08.55themillFloops[w]: that's not what you showed us earlier
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13:09.24Floops[w]copied the incrrect link
13:09.31Floops[w]that is why it was actually grabbing the packages
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13:10.14themillFloops[w]: then that's fine. You should also include a deb line for security updates though.
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13:10.37Floops[w]since i didn't use pastebin
13:10.46Floops[w]i didn't copy everything themill
13:10.48Floops[w]didn't want to flood
13:11.11shrivenHello. I'm trying to build a .deb for the first time. When I build the package everything seems to go well except that the executable is not part of the generated package. It's like debuild isn't running "make install" at the end, although there are man pages in the package. Anyone have an idea?
13:11.36johnakabeanpbx_spool.c: Unable to open /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing/ Permissions denied
13:11.36johnakabeanthe files are chowned asterisk:asterisk
13:11.36johnakabeanrecursively
13:12.20johnakabeanno one knows how to copy while preserving ownerships?
13:12.28shrivenHere is my debian/rules file http://pastebin.com/f135b3d42
13:12.33shrivenI think I
13:12.33johnakabeanI tried reading man cp
13:12.37shrivenam missing something there
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13:12.47stewjohnakabean: what does "ls -ld /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing" return ?
13:12.48themilljohnakabean: do you know how to search through a man page?
13:13.15johnakabeanyeah /
13:13.19johnakabeanits vim
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13:13.29shrivenjohnakabean: look at the "--preserve" option
13:13.55themilljohnakabean: yep, so man cp   then   /owner    shows you what you want.
13:14.37johnakabeanyeah but for specify which to preserve the copying to directory instead of the default from
13:14.48johnakabeanthe manual pages are NOT thorough
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13:16.04themillhuh?
13:16.45johnakabeanhow to specify to preseve the directory ownerships that I'm copying to
13:16.45ranixjohnakabean: if you don't understand that manual entry, you have a confused concept of one of the following: mode, ownership, or timestamps
13:16.55johnakabeanI understand that ranix
13:17.13ranixcp object target --preserve=ownership
13:17.21ranixbadabing
13:17.24johnakabeanwell, chowning asterisk /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing AFTER copying does NOT work
13:17.25ranixwhat's the deal
13:17.25shrivenjohnakabean: cp will not change the ownership of the target directory
13:17.43stewjohnakabean: what are the permissions on that directory?
13:17.45shrivenjohnakabean: what error do you get?
13:18.41johnakabean-rwxrwxrwx 1 asterisk asterisk 130 Jun  2 09:03 agc.call
13:18.42johnakabean-rwxrwxrwx 1 asterisk asterisk 145 Jun  2 09:03 jjd.call
13:18.51johnakabeani even chmodded 777
13:19.03ranixthat is chmod 777
13:19.09johnakabeanyeah
13:19.22stewjohnakabean: what are the permissions on the directory?
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13:19.59johnakabeanchown -R asterisk /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing
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13:20.05johnakabeanchown -R asterisk:asterisk /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing
13:20.19johnakabeanchmod -R 777 /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing
13:20.22ranixwhay are you pasting that
13:20.32johnakabeanbecasue stew asked
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13:20.49johnakabeanwhy do people jump to NOT thinking after they see something in front of their face
13:20.56martin123456when I insert my WPA-PSK(TKIP) password under Debian Lenny Gnome "Network Connections" utility and choose option "Show password", the password is right(matches with the one I inserted). However, when I click "Connect", it doesn't connect and if I check the password once more to be sure, I didn't have any errors, I see only 64 characters long random string. Shouldn't I see the password I inserted?
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13:21.03shrivenjohnakabean: if those are the commands your running, and the output you are getting is like the lines above, then it appears to be working correctly.
13:21.03gnewbHello, is this a concern, DSA-1807-1 cyrus-sasl2 and if it is, how do I see if the pkg is on or in the code?
13:21.05themilljohnakabean: that's actually not what stew asked for three times
13:21.16johnakabeanyeah shriven, BUT its not
13:21.20johnakabeanlol I thought the same thing
13:21.35johnakabean..../var/log/asterisk/full complains of "permission denied"
13:21.38shrivenis this NOT from one of those directories? "-rwxrwxrwx 1 asterisk asterisk 145 Jun  2 09:03 jjd.call"
13:21.43ranixjohnakabean: you are not making it easy to help you. The correct answer to "what are the permissions on the directory" would be similar to "777, owned by asterisk:asterisk" or "rwxrwxrwx" or something useful
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13:21.58ranixjohnakabean: instead you're acting like a prick
13:22.19johnakabeanthe commands were performed as I said on that directory
13:22.26shrivenjohnakabean: ok, so maybe you should have just said that to start with. The problem is not that your permissions aren't getting set
13:22.45johnakabeanyeah it is, shriven, asterisk complains of "permission denied"
13:22.50johnakabeanthat's why i'm here
13:22.55johnakabeanthis JUSt started happening
13:23.03johnakabeanwith asterisk 1.4.25
13:23.13shrivenjohnakabean: did you recently install anything? run upgrades?
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13:23.26johnakabeanI will not roll my eyes
13:23.51shrivenjohnakabean: I wasn't in here when you answered those questions before ifyou did. But if you don't want me to try and help, fine.
13:24.11ranixjohnakabean: can you start by pastebin your /var/log/asterisk/full tail?
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13:24.26ranixsee if it gives any specific permission denied errors
13:24.39ranixand then check those specific files
13:24.55DrThodt_I ran into a fickle. I'm trying to setup passwordless ssh using pub/priv authentication
13:25.20DrThodt_i have challengresponseauthentication, passwordauthentication and pam set to no
13:25.27DrThodt_restarted ssh, but i can still login with my pass
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13:26.20johnakabeanranix, its not over 2 lines of what I'm referring to
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13:26.58johnakabean[Jun  2 08:55:39] WARNING[12771] pbx_spool.c: Unable to open /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing/jjd.call: Permission denied, deleting
13:26.58johnakabean[Jun  2 08:55:39] WARNING[12771] pbx_spool.c: Failed to scan service '/var/spool/asterisk/outgoing/jjd.call'
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13:27.02ranix!paste
13:27.02dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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13:27.50stewjohnakabean: so does that mean that the other error about /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing went away?
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13:28.09johnakabeanthe error is right there stew
13:28.12stew09:11 < johnakabean> pbx_spool.c: Unable to open /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing/ Permissions denied
13:28.16stewjohnakabean: that error ^^
13:28.21stewjohnakabean: did you stop getting that error?
13:28.25johnakabeanno
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13:28.28ranixWTF
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13:28.36ranixput all the errors, in context, into pastebin
13:28.42ranixdon't ask meandering questions
13:28.44stewjohnakabean: ok, so there are at least 3 errors?
13:28.44ranix!ask
13:28.44dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:28.51johnakabeanranix
13:28.53johnakabeanREAD
13:28.57johnakabean!paste
13:28.57dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
13:29.03johnakabeanthat was NOT more than 2 lines
13:29.03themilljohnakabean: You're not making it very easy for us to help you.
13:29.27ranixI have a problem with asterisk, I try to run it, and I get the following output: pastebin of my log file. I expected it to (whatever)"
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13:29.36johnakabeanhow am I not, mill. I said the directory of /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing is OWNED RECURSIVELY by asterisk:asterisk user/group
13:29.41ranixjohnakabean: rephrase your question in that format
13:29.42stewjohnakabean: you said "its not over 2 lines of what I'm referring to", but there are at least 3 different lines of errors, maybe more.  can you please show us all the errors in a pastebin?
13:29.55DennisI guess i broke my machine. I have putted an extra hard drive in it, configured it with cfdisk but i guess i did something wronge since it does not boot any more. I have tried to boot without the new (extra) hard drive, then it says that there no prober boot device
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13:30.14johnakabeanyeah dennis, you partitioned the wrong drive
13:30.14stewjohnakabean: you still haven't, btw showed us what ther permissions on /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing are, even though we've asked multiple times
13:30.16themilljohnakabean: can you start at the beginning, tell us what was wrong initially, what you did. Pastebin relevant parts of the logs. String some sentences together into a coherent message to make it easy for people to help you.
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13:30.38johnakabeanI have showed you stew but everyone refuses to read before they ask more questions
13:30.40johnakabeanone second
13:30.46stewjohnakabean: you have not
13:30.54gnewbDennis: Did you try fix grub?
13:30.54ranixDennis: your bios is probably trying to boot off the new drive instead of the old drive. Check your bios and change the primary boot device to the other hard disk
13:30.57Dennisjohan____, i partitioned the new 160 GB drive (hda) with cfdisk /dev/hda, and dit nothing with the 'old' hard drive, /dev/hdb
13:31.04johnakabeandrwxrwxrwx 2 asterisk asterisk  36864 Jun  2 08:55 outgoing
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13:31.12johnakabeanthat's from /var/spool/asterisk
13:31.16Dennisgnewb, i have no idea how to since it does not show grub
13:31.19ranixDennis: check out the bios and see if the new drive is showing up before the old drive
13:31.22stewjohnakabean: can you please show us all the errors in a pastebin?
13:31.24Dennislet me check the bios :) thank you
13:31.34johnakabeanther eare no other error stew
13:31.37ranix;)
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13:31.40gnewbgood call stew.
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13:31.46johnakabeanasterisk says it can't read out of /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing
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13:31.50stewjohnakabean: well you said there are 2 errors, but so far you've shown us 3
13:32.06ranixI think we're being trolled
13:32.10johnakabeanthere are 2 recurring errors from two files
13:32.18johnakabeanpart of a script I run
13:32.31stewjohnakabean: ok, you've shown us 3 different errors, which two are recurring?
13:32.42johnakabeanI have shown you 1 error
13:32.55Dennisits booting again! Thank you guys! :)
13:33.03Dennisi did not know it was that easy, lol! :)
13:33.06ranixnp Dennis ;)
13:33.10stew"pbx_spool.c: Unable to open /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing/ Permissions denied", "pbx_spool.c: Unable to open /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing/jjd.call: Permission denied, deleting", "pbx_spool.c: Failed to scan service '/var/spool/asterisk/outgoing/jjd.call'"
13:33.17stewjohnakabean: how many errors is that ^^^ >
13:33.20stew?  one?
13:33.32edoreldI'm trying to use fcopy (fai) to copy some configuration files from the fai-server to the fai-client when the latter gets installed. My question is, where do I put the conf files so that using the fcopy command I can achieve what I want?
13:33.41johnakabeanwell gee, stew, if someone had common sense, they would know why the "failed to scan service" existed
13:33.50ranixstew: "...manages this digital lifestyle from under a highway bridge" http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/05/30/2241228/How-American-Homeless-Stay-Wired
13:33.52johnakabeanbecause it can't read the file
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13:33.59Dennismmm, do i need to change something else or is it fixed now?
13:34.06ranixstew: careful, the internet really does have trolls and they  live under bridges
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13:34.17johnakabeanleave your mother out of this ranix
13:34.22SolarWaris there a way to create a deb file of an installed package?
13:34.34SolarWareg going backwards from a dpkg -i command ?
13:34.37johnakabeanHERES MY POINT. ASTERISK 1.4.25 HAS A BUG
13:34.39stewjohnakabean: ranix: ok, that's enough
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13:34.51stewjudd: versions asterisk
13:34.52juddstew: asterisk -- etch: 1:1.2.13~dfsg-2etch4 etch-security: 1:1.2.13~dfsg-2etch4 lenny: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3 squeeze: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3 sid: 1:1.6.1.0~dfsg-1
13:34.56gnewbDennis: Make a backup of the stable system, reboot, is like trial and error but the backup leaves no errors.
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13:35.16stewjohnakabean: well, it looks like you are in the wrong channel for asterisk.  especially since you aren't using a version debian provides
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13:35.23Dennisgnewb, what is the best way to create backup? I'm afraid i need to say i'm new with linux
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13:35.41johnakabeanStew, my script only copies call files from one directory from another and, afterwards, owns the files AND the /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing directory
13:35.58johnakabeanit worked with previous versions of 1.4.32
13:36.01johnakabeanand earlier
13:36.08shrivenlol
13:36.11stewjohnakabean: ask in #asterisk
13:36.18SolarWarDennis, clonezilla
13:36.19shrivenso are you on 1.4.25, or 1.4.32, ;)
13:36.22stewjohnakabean: i don't see what this has to do with debian
13:36.25gnewbDennis: There are many ways, none are best, I use Amanda based or whatever is the repos, just launch synaptic and search Backup.
13:36.33johnakabeanI was asking how to copy preserving permissions stew
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13:36.44johnakabeanof the destination director
13:36.44Denniseer... i guess i have to say i use debian server and not with gnomre or so
13:36.51johnakabeanbut everyone said Manual pages
13:37.02johnakabeanthe manual pages does NOT describe that
13:37.07ranixyou got told how, johnakabean, --preserve, fully documented in man cp
13:37.14gnewbDennis: I also like the HUB, Home User Backup, it is simple and backs up the critical stuff.
13:37.21shrivenjohnakabean: you may be looking for the sticky bit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit
13:37.24themilljohnakabean: perhaps you can explain what you mean by "copying preserving permissions" then, as everyone here seems to think that cp -p does exactly what you want
13:37.33johnakabeanonce again ranix puts his foot in his mouth right after I told him why the manual pages didn't work
13:37.37Dennisok thank you
13:37.39Dennisi'll try it!
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13:37.42Dennisthank you guys :)
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13:37.52DrThodt_ok my turn :D
13:37.56ranixfor the record, my foot isn't in my mouth
13:38.00DrThodt_why is my ssh server still asking for a password :(
13:38.17ranixopenssh, DrThodt_?
13:38.21DrThodt_yea
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13:38.27DrThodt_i have challengresponseauthentication, passwordauthentication and pam set to no
13:38.31xororandis it possible to make debian's initrd use the same password for mounting multiple LUKS partitions?
13:39.10ranixDrThodt_: did you restart the daemon after altering that
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13:39.14DrThodt_yea
13:39.41themill!debug sshd
13:39.41dpkgTo debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222".  Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client.
13:39.44gnewbI have to make a backup now myself, thank you.
13:39.51shrivenDrThodt_: also, you say your trying to login without a password, and you disabled those, but have you supplied an alternative method of authenticating? Or are you just trying to make it let anyone ssh in without authentication?
13:40.04DrThodt_yea i got the rsa authentication setup
13:40.09DrThodt_have a pub key in the store
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13:40.26stewand for the record, cp -p wasn't actually what he wanted.  he wanted somehow to copy into a directory and somehow inherit some/all of the permissions/ownership of the DESTINATION
13:40.29OpenTokixDrThodt_: the folder and authorized_keys need to have correct permissions
13:40.30stewbut whatever
13:40.43DrThodt_I think I solved it
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13:40.49DrThodt_and I'm embarassed
13:40.55DrThodt_i reset the server a normal user
13:41.01DrThodt_it outputted it reset
13:41.01ranixah
13:41.08themillstew: yeah, that's it seemed he meant, but I was wanting to hear it from him to try to understand what he was doing with it too
13:41.11DrThodt_but i did it as sudo now it wont let me in w/o key specified
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13:41.18_kettle_Any hints on setting up Xen as dom0 on a debian box? I installed xen/kernel/libc, but now my grub is wrong. I looked at http://wiki.debian.org/Xen but it tells me to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst. Problem is that now this is all template based...
13:41.19dob1hi, there are some repository that can permit me to update iptables ?   i need to install xtables-addons and the iptables version on lenny is too old
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13:41.36ranixDrThodt_: don't forget to edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config to disable ssh protocol version 1 explicitly, since you're doing key auth anyway
13:41.42jayeolahey chaps. hibernate:Warning: Tuxonice binary signature file not found. i can download tuxonice-binary-signature.bin and put it into /usr/shar/hibernate but this method does not work. any clues?
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13:42.41DrThodt_oh good idea
13:42.41OpenTokix_kettle_: apt-cache search xen-linux-system
13:42.43DrThodt_ty
13:42.48jayeolaor /usr/share even :-/
13:42.49DrThodt_im debating on setting up port knocking
13:42.58DrThodt_just cause it reminds me of a modern speakeasy
13:43.30OpenTokixDrThodt_: isn't port knocking more of security by obscurity?
13:43.43shriven_kettle_: you really *shouldn't* need to manually edit any grub files if your using the debian packages for Xen. You should also check out xen-tools.
13:43.53creature1why the heck does Iceweasel open .mp3's inside the god damn browser
13:44.02creature1with some bullshit totem media player
13:44.15OpenTokixcreature1: Because that is the default.
13:44.17ranixport knocking was more to waste bruteforcing or portscanning resources iirc
13:44.18jayeolamplayer all the way
13:44.19_kettle_OpenTokix: xen-linux-system-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 is already the newest version.
13:44.24creature1OpenTokix: how do you change it
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13:44.47_kettle_shriven: exactly
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13:44.57OpenTokixcreature1: Edit -> preferences -> Applications
13:45.04creature1yeayea it didn't work
13:45.04hkaisnan8: big thx for your infos!
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13:45.16_kettle_shriven: that's what I'm trying to avoid, but it seems something hasn't worked because xen isn't working, because grub.cfg is wrong
13:45.21creature1i changed everything to "Always ask"
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13:45.24creature1no change
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13:45.28hkaisbye
13:45.29creature1it still opens up in totem
13:45.31creature1inside the browser
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13:45.53shriven_kettle_: what part of xen is not working? How do you know it isn't working? If grub is causing problems I suggest you revert your changes
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13:46.24shriven_kettle_: if I'm reading that article you pasted correctly that is an optional edit.
13:46.34shriven_kettle_: are you on Etch?
13:46.47OpenTokixcreature1: did you clear the cache?
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13:47.15creature1OpenTokix: what cache
13:47.16themillcreature1: you could uninstall the totem plugin
13:47.23creature1i don't know nothing about the cache
13:47.28creature1themill: i did and it didn't work
13:47.31OpenTokixcreature1: I changed mineto vlc, it worked nicely
13:47.33creature1what a piece of shit
13:47.41_kettle_shirven: the article appears to be outdated, it refers to menu.lst, but now there is only grub.cfg, which is autogenerated. I'm on lenny (5.0.1)
13:47.45_kettle_shriven, even...
13:47.47themillcreature1: umm... if the plugin isn't installed, then iceweasel can't be using it
13:47.55shriven_kettle_: ok, you should find a lenny guide
13:47.58OpenTokixcreature1: Restart your browser
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13:48.02creature1themill: it never works like that in debian
13:48.06OpenTokixthemill: if the plugin is loaded in memory
13:48.11_kettle_shriven: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Installationonlenny
13:48.14themillOpenTokix: yeah yeah.... :)
13:48.14poppiezwhat package contains the saslfinger utility?
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13:48.32shriven_kettle_: maybe try this: http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualization-with-xen-on-debian-lenny-amd64
13:48.48simonrvnsaucyfinger?
13:48.50OpenTokixis almost high on his haproxy setup =)
13:49.04Kvantpoppiez, sasl2-bin
13:49.20_kettle_shriven, nice link, checking
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13:49.29poppiezKvant: I already have that package, hmm
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13:51.17shrivencreature1: if your trying to make a different media player handle in browser media, you probably should look for a mozilla-* or *-gecko package. Like http://packages.debian.org/lenny/mozilla-mplayer
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13:51.39shriventhat is where I'd start
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13:56.29Javi-KHi
13:56.45ranixsup
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13:57.40Javi-Khas anyone had issues playing music in amarok and watching an online video (eg. youtube) ??? I just configured alsa but I can't get that to work :S Any help will be appreciated :) Thanks!
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13:58.28_kettle_shriven: tried the instructions, but something is still wrong. Looking at my grub.cfg, I can see that /boot/xen-3.2-1-amd64.gz isn't even referenced there, so there's really no point rebooting even
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13:59.10shriven_kettle_: mmmm... So your trying to install dom0 for the first time, right?
13:59.17jerryeguru1!boot
13:59.54jerryeguru1nothing is being logged in /var/log/boot in lenny, i keep seeing this >> (Nothing has been logged yet.) how can i enable this
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14:00.12shriven_kettle_: "To get output from grub, XEN, the kernel and getty (login prompt) via both vga and serial console to work" do you NEED that?
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14:00.37Gettyshriven: everybody needs getty everywhere!
14:00.50adb!bootlog
14:00.50dpkgbootlogd is probably disabled by default.  Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file.  For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11).  Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
14:00.56shrivengetty: yes but that is describing how to get the getty onto their VGA
14:01.01ranixI prefer dom0 to only output to the serial console
14:01.12shriventhat is not required to run xen
14:01.15ranixand leave vga to the children
14:01.19_kettle_shriven: yep, and I've pretty much done what is listed on the URL you sent me. I might have installed the packages in a different order. All the files I think I need are there (eg /boot/xen-VERSION and /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64), but it's not working
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14:01.25Gettyranix: also nice
14:01.37_kettle_I want serial output eventually, but for now it's ok with vga only
14:01.42Gettyranix: but that is just cause you cant afford a cool remote VGA console ;)
14:01.56shriven_kettle_: yea good, so have you reverted any changes to grub.cfg?
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14:02.02ranixserial output can be directed via a kernel option in grub any time, _kettle_
14:02.05_kettle_shriven: I haven't touched it
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14:02.33shriven_kettle_: ah hmmm, so your saying in your grub config  you aren't getting new boot lines from the new xen kernel?
14:03.19shriven_kettle_: you *should* have an entry like "kernel          /xen-3.0.3-1-amd64.gz" in your grub setup somewhere
14:03.37_kettle_shriven: that's right. that is, the kernel is there, but the xen image isn't. So when I try to boot, I just get a one-line error saying "you need to load the kernel first" or something....
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14:03.53_kettle_shriven: right, but I don't know how to get that in there without editing manually :)
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14:04.12shriven_kettle_: I might try purging your xen packages, and reinstalling
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14:04.40shriven_kettle_: and make sure that after installing the xen kernel packages that it has generated the grub config.... it definitely should be doing that automagically
14:04.46poppiezKvant: are you sure saslfinger is still included in sasl2-bin or what is the command to revoke saslfinger? the command isn't present on my system
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14:05.07shriven_kettle_: if it doesn't, I would try installing another normal kernel and see if that generates the grub config correctly. If it doesn't there are bigger problems
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14:05.41Kvantpoppiez, it's in sasl2-bin in lenny
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14:06.30adbKvant: apt-cache search  sasl2-bin
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14:07.19adboh, nm
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14:07.53poppiezKvant: alright. using etch here. no saslfinger in sasl2bin, weird
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14:08.12JJOliverHi peeps I'm looking for some web designing software for Lenny, any suggestions?
14:08.18DrThodt_heh thats my next step after i like the box down, setup xen
14:08.19_kettle_shriven: i've regenerated grub.cfg with "update-grub", so that sohuldn't be the problem. I'm trying to purge and reinstall now...
14:08.23DrThodt_like/lock
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14:08.45shriven_kettle_: ok. do you usually update grub manually?
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14:09.01_kettle_shriven: no, never
14:09.02ma3xhow do you setup the default dir for ftp users?
14:09.29shrivenma3x: depends entirely on what ftp program your running
14:09.41jerryeguru1reboot nolonger works in my lenny
14:09.44ma3xftpd
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14:10.00ma3xnetkit ftp server
14:10.17jerryeguru1when i issue the command reboot the server hangs at .. restart
14:10.46shrivenjjoliver: that isn't very specific, what kind of web design are you looking for? Something like dreamweaver? Or something else?
14:10.51_kettle_shriven: no luck... purged everything with "xen" (dpkg -l | grep xen), and reinstalled using the same command as on howtoforge, but still same. During install I see "Updating /boot/grub/grub.cfg ...", but no mention of /boot/xen-3.2-1-amd64.gz
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14:11.05_kettle_in grub.cfg
14:11.17shriven_kettle_: can you pastebin your grub.cfg for me
14:11.25JJOlivershriven: sorry. I'm running the IT for 2 NGO's and have set up a webserver. Now I just need to design a nice looking basic website.
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14:11.42JJOlivershriven: I'm not really good at coding.
14:11.48ma3xshriven: i use the netkit ftp (ftpd package in debian)
14:12.36_kettle_shriven: with pleasure: http://pastebin.com/m3fef11d6
14:13.02shrivenma3x: just out of curiousity did you notice in the description: " It is recommended for you to use one of its alternatives, such as wu-ftpd or proftpd."
14:13.12shrivenmaybe there is a good reason for that....
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14:13.49JJOlivershriven: to be precise something like iWeb for mac but for Lenny
14:13.51shrivenjjoliver: well are you looking for development software that runs ON lenny, or just development software that can design a WEB SITE that runs on lenny?
14:13.53ma3xshriven: okay
14:14.24shrivenma3x: not saying you definitely shouldn't use it, but you might want to try and find out why they say that. Either way, you should read the related man pages.
14:14.25JJOlivershriven: I'm just looking for website making software that runs on Lenny.
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14:15.28shrivenjjoliver: well without web design skills that is a tall order... This software will run on linux, but it may or may not be what your after: http://www.net2.com/nvu/
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14:15.40JJOlivershriven: thanks.
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14:18.23shriven_kettle_: the grub.cfg looks good to me. Have you tried rebooting since purging and re-installing?
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14:20.05_kettle_shriven: the xen kernel needs to load xen first, that's why it never worked before. I can try, but it feels like a waste of time...
14:20.27shrivenwell your not currently running a xen kernel, right?
14:21.04_kettle_that's right, I'm running menuentry "Debian GNU/Linux, linux 2.6.26-2-amd64"
14:21.27_kettle_menuentry "Debian GNU/Linux, linux 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64" never booted before
14:21.28shrivenright, so of course dom0 won't start right now? or am I missing something
14:21.33_kettle_because it will require xen
14:21.43shrivenwhich is now installed, right?
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14:22.14_kettle_shriven: i need to reboot to the xen-enabled kernel, but that requires the hypervisor to be loaded first. Looking at grub.cfg, it's not loaded first.
14:22.55shriven_kettle_: ok I see what your saying now
14:23.11_kettle_shriven: so my grub.cfg should show something like: kernel /xen-3.2-1.gz, module: /vmlinuz-VERSION-xen-amd64, etc...
14:23.18_kettle_but the xen-thingy is missing
14:23.20shrivenyea
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14:24.01_kettle_I'm kinda surprised there so little info online about this. most documentation seems to be outdated, and it ain't working for me
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14:24.20shrivenhmmmm
14:24.21_kettle_I must be really thick :-)
14:24.32shrivenwhat is the output of "aptitude search xen | grep ^i"
14:25.27_kettle_shriven: http://pastebin.com/m356bad8f
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14:26.49shriven_kettle_: yeah, unfortunately this is probably beyond me... You may want to try poking about for open bugs against xen in lenny.
14:27.42shriven_kettle_: from what I can tell it should be fine. Did all of those packages get installed as dependencies of the xen-linux-system package?
14:28.04shriven_kettle_: maybe one of the "extra" xen packages tries to do something that interferes? just grasping at straws here now.....
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14:28.35_kettle_shriven: I unstalled using the exact command from the howtoforge page, except removing specific version where possible, so that I get the latest version
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14:28.52_kettle_apt-get install xen-hypervisor xen-linux-system-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 xen-utils xenstore-utils xenwatch xen-shell xen-tools
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14:29.41_kettle_strange stuff... probably end up finding out it's a new setting that needs to be tweaked somewhere to enable xen :p
14:29.45ranix_kettle_: can you pastebin ls -1 /boot/ for me?
14:29.45shriven_kettle_: mmmmm. yea. You might have some luck looking up xen bugs, or trying a xen specific channel.... Although they may yell saying you should come here. : (
14:29.51petemc_kettle_: the information on the debian wiki is probably better for setting up xen
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14:30.04petemc(than howtoforge)
14:30.07k-mani force installed the emacs-snapshot on etch, and it works fine, but now whenever i try to install anything, i get errors like this: emacs-snapshot: PreDepends: dpkg (>= 1.14.21) but 1.13.26 is to be installed
14:30.31k-manis there any way to tell apt-get to not worry about that dependancy problem in future?
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14:31.44_kettle_petemc: it's outdated, and didn't help anyway. that was my first source. It talks about menu.lst, I only have grub.cfg which gets autogenerated from templates.
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14:31.44_kettle_ranix: with pleasure: http://pastebin.com/m3c81a620
14:32.03petemc_kettle_: you chose to install grub2, or are using squeeze?
14:33.32ranix_kettle_: uname -r for me?
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14:34.27Almustafahello. is there a way to configure interfaces(5) that ignore dhcp offered dns server and uses my own dns server
14:34.28ranixkefalo: you want to boot the kernel "vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64" in /boot/ for your hypervisor, I think perhaps you are not, and grub is loading one of the other kernels
14:34.35ranixwhoops, meant for _kettle_ not kefalo
14:34.56AlmustafaI treid to add 'dns-nameservers' but this line is ignored, guess because I have 'inet dhcp'
14:35.09_kettle_ranix: uname -r: 2.6.26-2-amd64
14:35.23petemcAlmustafa: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf
14:35.26ranix_kettle_: yep, looks like you aren't running the xen kernel
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14:35.47ma3xhow can you limit 'ps aux' to show only user's processes
14:35.49_kettle_petemc: don't know why it's installed, to be honest. but I did try update-grub2, but that didn't help
14:36.04_kettle_ranix: thanks, but that's the problem :o) It won't boot
14:36.08ranixwonder if update-grub doesn't add the xen kernel to your list
14:36.13petemc_kettle_: im using xen under lenny and it all works fine
14:36.14\amethystma3x:   don't use 'a'
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14:36.33ma3x\amethyst: i mean if you add users on your system and you don't want them to be able to do the a
14:36.38Almustafapetemc: see you. Now go offline to test resolveconf
14:36.42_kettle_petemc: ah! would you mind pastebinning your grub.cfg?
14:36.52ranix_kettle_: try manually vim-ing /boot/grub/menu.lst to load the xen kernel, and then if it works troubleshoot your update-grub problems
14:36.54\amethystma3x:  AFAIK you need to use something like openvz for that
14:37.10petemc_kettle_: im using grub1, which is the lenny default
14:37.11_kettle_ranix: good call! Will check with petemc first, tho
14:37.20\amethystma3x:  so that each user gets a different process namespace
14:37.24_kettle_petemc: I'm also using grub1, but grub2 is also installed on my system
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14:37.36ranixah do update-grub instead of update-grub2
14:37.40_kettle_petemc: I think...?
14:37.48_kettle_ranix: done several times
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14:38.21_kettle_petemc: would love to see a working config, tho, then I know what to aim for
14:38.26ranix_kettle_: then I think it's likely there might be a problem with grub loading up the xen kernel into the menu.lst
14:38.26petemc_kettle_: http://pastie.org/497849 is the relevant section of menu.lst
14:38.31AlmustafaHi. thanks for about resolveconf thing. I installed resolve conf, now my /etc/resolve.conf has dhcp-offered dns server before my specified dns server. how to make it ignore dhcp-offered dns server?
14:39.09_kettle_petemc: exactly. but how come you have menu.lst instead of grub.cfg? Is that the grub1/grub2 difference?
14:39.10petemc_kettle_: this is all on http://wiki.debian.org/Xen
14:39.12Almustafaredescribe: hello. how to ignore dhcp offered dns name server? that cursed name server of ISP offer me advertisements all time.
14:39.23petemc_kettle_: yes, grub.cfg is grub2
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14:39.44ttyTypeha-ha!!!
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14:39.54ttyTypeyou said it couldn't be done!
14:39.56ttyType:D
14:40.02ttyType(someone here did)
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14:40.33ttyTypei now have a 366MHz iBook G3 with 32MB of RAM running LXDE :D
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14:40.52_kettle_petemc: aaargh. F*ckin grub2... wonder why I have it instsalled even
14:41.02AazHi guys! who used Hurd? It works?
14:41.23ranixttyType: I have a 233mhz Texas Instruments Infobook 3000 or something with 14 megabytes of ram running... uh...  busybox?
14:41.28ranix133 rather, not 233
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14:42.21_kettle_does apt-get log what it installs somewhere? I seem to recall it does, I need to figure out when a package got installed
14:42.47stew_kettle_: no, aptitude does, and dpkg does.  apt-get uses dpkg, so see /var/log/dpkg.log
14:43.13_kettle_stew: thanks, got it!
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14:44.11_kettle_petemc: hmm, I was wrong. I only have grub2, not grub1. Wonder why..... amd64 system with lvm2 and xfs partition at 9.6TB. I had some trouble getting it working, perhaps I installed grub2 at some point
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14:44.34sylarwhere are modules files at?
14:44.50stewsylar: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
14:45.03sylarthanks
14:45.19ttyTypei have a question
14:45.42ttyTypei have now got this system set up, but during the install, i said that i didn't want to make use of package repositories
14:45.47shriven_kettle_: it may be because of xfs, historically their have been problems with booting off of xfs. (for why grub2 is installed)
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14:46.22ttyTypethis means, it wants the CD every time i try to apt-get something
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14:46.47ttyTypeis there some way i can make it use the interwebs for this?
14:47.01petemcman sources.list
14:47.12_kettle_shriven: yes, that or also because I use GPT partitioning for large partitions
14:47.13ttyTypeah, so it's as simple as modding a source
14:47.15ttyTyperight, ok
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14:47.39ttyTypehmm, for some reason, the system clock isn't setting
14:47.53ttyTypeit thinks it's Jan 1 1904
14:47.57ttyType:-S
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14:48.03ttyTypealso, the battery fails
14:48.22petemcbatteries dont last forever, use ntp to set the time
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14:48.43agaranreplace battery
14:49.38ttyTypeagaran: i read that there is some kind of issue with the G3 charging system, that, it seems to me, might be linked to the clock problem
14:49.53ttyTypepetemc: it's actually saying "Cannot set system clock"
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14:52.29agaranttyType: its mac? no idea then
14:52.57ttyTypeagaran: indeed, it's an old 366mhz G3 with 32M of RAM
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14:53.16ttyTypeand it's actually running pretty good considering the spec
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14:54.02ttyTypefirefox takes just over 30sec to start, though :-/
14:54.28ttyTypeprobably something to do with the swap getting thrashed, though
14:54.43agaranttyType: i have nothing against ppc macs, just i dont know them
14:55.00KCanybody buying tech?
14:55.01ttyTypewell, i have never used one before :P
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14:55.04lvhhow can I test if my terminal encoding is set properly?
14:55.28lvhI think it's UTF-8 everywhere, but emacs produces funny characters, and cmus dies horribly when scrolling over some japanese text.
14:55.32lvhmocp too.
14:55.52SolarWaris the 2.4 kernel line available for lenny?
14:55.58petemcno
14:56.18SolarWarawww :(
14:56.25SolarWarso i have to compile it myself?
14:56.29lvhecho $LANG gets me en_US.UTF-8 and that locale is installed (in fact, its the only one and its the default)
14:56.33stewSolarWar: no, it won't work with the current libc6
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14:57.28_kettle_petemc: are you running a stripped down system as dom0? I'm going to be running some services there and using the domU for test purposes as well. Someone said this is not recommended?
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14:57.47SolarWarstefanko, has 2.4 support been completely dropped or is debian waiting for a kernel upstream patch?
14:57.50SolarWarer
14:57.52SolarWarstew ^
14:58.15_kettle_yes! $ uname -r: 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64
14:58.17_kettle_:)
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14:58.52cambridgecowi'm trying to build a deb package but I keep getting the following error: http://paste2.org/p/242497   I can't figure out what is causing this error as debian/files is being generated during the build process... can somebody please help me figure out what is causing this error?
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14:59.49KCer, mischan
14:59.59jelly-homeSolarWar: glibc version (and, I supposed, its build-time options used) requires a 2.6 kernel
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15:00.26_kettle_if anyone cares, the problem was that grub2 doesn't support xen kernels. Thanks petemc for setting me on the trail! Here's what I did to get it working: http://pastebin.com/m876c5e8
15:00.27jelly-homeSolarWar: so yes, it's completely dropped, but no, it's not kernel's fault
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15:00.56_kettle_not ideal, but it worked, which is good enough for now
15:04.18_kettle_thanks for all the help shriven, petemc, ranix
15:04.38shriven_kettle_: np, I hope it all works out.
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15:04.47ranixdid you get it working _kettle_ ?
15:04.53ranixwas on break eatin a bagel
15:05.07ranixoooh I see
15:05.12ranixgrub2 doesn't like xen
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15:05.37petemc_kettle_: dom0 for me just runs ssh
15:05.42_kettle_ranix: by manually creating /etc/grub.d/10_aa_xen. Will have to update manually every time kernel gets updated for now
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15:06.34AlmustafaHello. dmesg says joystick as /class/input/input6 but file /dev/input/input6 doesn't exist. What's the reason?
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15:06.55AlmustafaCould it be I should modprob something or compile a kernel?
15:07.19hlusiasashould be /dev/input/event6
15:07.29shrivenI've never heard of /class before
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15:07.44\amethystshriven:  /sys/class
15:07.45shrivenwhat is that?
15:07.49shrivenhmmm
15:07.58Almustafahlusiasa: you are right it should be event instead of input, but true, /dev/input/even6 doesn't exist.
15:08.05_kettle_petemc: as long as stuff works, I'm happy :)
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15:08.19Almustafashriven: me neither, but I do found /sys/class/input/input6
15:08.34shrivenah, as amethyst said. ;)
15:08.54shrivensorry I was just commenting on that... I don't actually know what is wrong. : (
15:08.57Almustafashriven: but I couldn't use that thing as a device node, because it is infact /sys/class/input/input6/ (note the slash at bottom)
15:09.13cambridgecowI get an error saying debian/files is mal formatted when I run debuild... why would debian/files be malformatted its being generated by the build process... is there a bug in dpkg-genchanges?
15:09.45Almustafawell, what do you usually do in such case? I hit it before with printer too. That is: dmesg says something is at /class/.../... while there is no device node for it in /dev.
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15:10.14shrivenalmustafa: I usually start with googling.
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15:10.56themillcambridgecow: can you pastebin the file?
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15:11.10Almustafashriven: just did. I looked a doze page and suggestion is: see what /class/.../../ and then use node /dev/../../ without even saying what if /dev/../.. doesn't exist.
15:11.25shrivenAlmustafa: what version of udev are you running?
15:11.34cambridgecowthe debian/files file:  http://paste2.org/p/242505
15:12.13stewSolarWar: support for 2.4 was dropped in debian a few years ago
15:12.22Almustafashriven: thanks for you time, maybe I first figure this out, that "as /class/input/input6" in dmesg means it is 'detected' or 'driven'? In first case I think I must get the driver for it.
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15:12.57shrivenAlmustafa: what is your end goal here? are you just concerned about random dmesg errors? are you trying to install a joystick?
15:13.22kovanif I really need a more recent version of a package, what are my options? it's subversion v1.5.2 or newer for etch, and there is no backport yet at backports.org
15:13.37petemc!ssb
15:13.37dpkgFirst: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list.  2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.  If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
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15:14.06cambridgecowthemill, http://paste2.org/p/242505
15:14.13TalkSoupshriven: sorry I just dropped the line, can you send me the last lines to me if you replied me? I am Almustafa
15:14.30shrivenTalkSoup: Almustafa: what is your end goal here? are you just concerned about random dmesg errors? are you trying to install a joystick?
15:14.40kovan!backports
15:14.40dpkgsomebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package#s-port, http://backports.org/.  Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>.  See also <simple sid backport>.
15:14.46V3n3RiXsays Hello Everybody
15:14.53TalkSoupshriven: My udev is 0.125-6. Yet I want to get js usable.
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15:15.14shrivenTalkSoup: ok, I would just try googling about your joystick installation first
15:15.16TalkSoupshriven: I just wanna grow some experience at meanwhile, but fifirst need to manage get this thing working.
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15:16.51jambushey folks, was anybody able to compile the latest version of tomboy (0.15.1) on lenny?
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15:18.16V3n3RiXhello everybody....anyone who can provide a deb package compiled for debian lenny of latest version of gyachi (1.1.71)
15:18.20cambridgecowthemill, any clue?
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15:19.26gnewbIs UFW available or used in Lenny?
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15:20.19kovan!backports.org
15:20.19dpkgbackports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers.  Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions .  A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free.  Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update .  See also <bpo mirrors>.
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15:20.28gnewbThank you
15:20.33tom760_Why/how would Debian be loading the e1000 kernel module when I deleted it from the current Kernels lib subdir?
15:20.40kovan!bpo mirrors
15:20.40dpkgi guess backports.org mirrors is http://www.backports.org/debian/README.mirrors and http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/backports.org/README.mirrors.html
15:20.53kovan!backport caveat
15:20.53dpkgfrom memory, backport caveat is Remember that you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>.  Also note that you can't rely on backports to patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered
15:21.15wicketI'm currently trying to fix a broken buildscript (autotools), and i found that it wants to link to a bunch of libraries that aren't located in /usr/lib/. This got me wondering (i know i can set LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but i dont have to do it for any other software thats properly installed), are libraries located within more obscure paths supposed to be used at all? Or whats the deal? In this case, i have to
15:21.17wicketboth supply the paths /usr/lib/opencas/ and /usr/lib/mpich/lib/shared/
15:21.24themillkovan: you can "/msg dpkg bakcport cavet" etc
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15:21.55themillcambridgecow: that's a screwy looking file indeed. BTW if you're packaging stuff for ubuntu, you'll do better asking them about how they like things packaged
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15:22.23kovanoh ok
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15:22.50wicketEspecially the mpich library got me confused. It does supply a symlink /usr/lib/libmpich.so.1.0, but can i even tell me binaries to link directly to a certion version?
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15:23.26cambridgecowthemill, I've been asking in them but they don't seem to respond and I figured since I'm having dpkg which is the same across the two systems people here might know the answer
15:23.30shrivenHas anyone done an upgrade of xen etch dom0 and domUs to lenny? If so were there any major gotchas you came across?
15:23.38cambridgecowi'm using not i'm having *
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15:24.13themillcambridgecow: that's a bad assumption to make as there are quite a lot of differences. But the problem appears to be that you're making up a value for the "Section" field in debian/control
15:24.57cambridgecowthemill, ok thanks... i'll keep that in mind in the future and I'll check out the Section field
15:25.00wicketHmm, short version of my problems; Why does the mpich package only supply a symlink named "libmpich.so.1.0" and not "libmpich.so" ? Or there a logical reason why libraries would do this that i'm missing?
15:26.20cambridgecowthemill, again I really appreciate your help!
15:26.31themillno worries
15:26.32themilljambus: with the mono2 transition in squeeze, you're going to have a lot of fun backporting any mono-related packages to lenny.
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15:28.20leejongwook"$ tar -czvf debian.backup.tar.gz ." <-- can i backup my os like this ?
15:28.26jambusthemill: i'm not backporting, i'm trying to compile the package from the website.
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15:29.50dominikIf you want to upload a package to mentors.debian.org (searching for a sponsor), do you add yourself to the maintainer-field or do you do a NMU? Leaving the Maintainer-Field and not making it a NMU leads into lintian errors.
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15:30.05themilljambus: "latest" being latest stable or latest development?
15:30.22shrivenokay... Lets try again. : ) I'm trying to build a .deb, but debuild seems to not be running "make install", the executable file that should be in /usr/bin/ is missing from the created package, however, there is a bunch of documentation in the package... So it seems to just be skipping some part of the process, but I can't figure out why.
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15:30.28jambusthemill: latest dev
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15:31.23leejongwookQuestion : how do i backup Debian (?) with tar command (?)
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15:31.47V3n3RiXshriven, source code have to be configured with option --prefix=/usr (./configure --prefix=/usr)
15:32.01shrivenV3n3RiX: yup, it is
15:32.10shrivenV3n3RiX: the directory structure is there
15:32.29shrivenV3n3RiX: it shows /usr/bin/ and /usr/sbin/ but not /usr/bin/monit or /usr/sbin/monit, as it should
15:32.43V3n3RiXhave you tried to build deb package with checkinstall?
15:32.45shrivenV3n3RiX: and the man pages are all going in the correct place inside the package. : (
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15:33.16shrivenV3n3RiX: I have, and that works fine, BUT I want to try and use this on my other servers.
15:33.33leejongwook(root directory) "$ tar -czvf backup.whole.linux.tar.gz ." <-- is this correct (?)
15:33.44leejongwook(root directory) "# tar -czvf backup.whole.linux.tar.gz ." <-- or this ?
15:34.00shrivenV3n3RiX: in addition I want to start my own repository, so I'm really trying to learn to do this properly
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15:34.21shriven(for my own machines, not for public consumption...)
15:34.31jambusthemill: does the output of make (http://debian.pastebin.com/d778eccd0) tell you something useful?
15:34.35V3n3RiXi found a nice documentation about how to build deb packages
15:34.39V3n3RiXwait please
15:34.42shrivensure
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15:34.49shrivenhappy to try anything....
15:35.14themilljambus: well... if anything it tells you that the compilation was successful
15:36.09V3n3RiXshriven, http://pastebin.com/fe065ebf
15:36.33V3n3RiXthat worked for me
15:36.47V3n3RiXi was able to build latest nmap deb package
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15:37.53shrivengreat, I'll give that a try, thanks
15:38.19jambusthemill: sorry, pasted the wrong part.
15:38.26V3n3RiXit`s my pleasure
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15:40.35paxcoderproblems list updated: http://pastebin.com/m10528d78 . Not a thing resoled. Any help appreciated.
15:40.41paxcoder*resolved
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15:41.38steveni was talking with someone in #postfix about how my postfix installation isnt working (for outgoing smtp)
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15:41.51steventhey said that its debians fault for breaking the postfix package
15:41.55stevenis this a known issue?
15:42.03jambusthemill: i'm sorry, here's the error:http://debian.pastebin.com/d24788e1b
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15:43.37paxcoderI should probably reinstall the whole thing and hope it works. Crap.
15:44.00ajavidi woke up
15:44.03ajavidgood morning
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15:46.14themilljambus: it wouldn't be the first time that a "development snapshot" has failed to compile....
15:46.24amitzCan I use ubuntu's _webbrowser_ chromium package in debian lenny? Which version of ubuntu's _webbrowser_ chromius? 8.04 or 8.10? Thanks in advance.
15:46.34jambusthemill: does it make sense to post it to the forums?
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15:52.52deus___is anybody using Debian Lenny on an EeePC?
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15:53.49deus___Just wanted to ask: whenever I close my netbook, debian automatically suspends the system. how can I configure it, that whenever I close the EeePC, the OS keeps on running?
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15:56.57themilljambus: It's possible that it's a libtool screw-up as it compiles fine under sid...
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15:57.58jambusthemill: is there an easy way to fix it? was just curious about the new features, don't want to go too deep into it.
15:59.35themillTry commenting out lines 318-319 of Tomboy/Makefile (PANELAPPLET_USED_CSFILES= blah blah) and then re-running make. Might get a bit further...
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16:04.56jambusthemiller: anyway, thank you!
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16:04.59jpinxdeus___: yes
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16:05.34jpinxdeus___: did you use the debian eeepc installer?
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16:08.44jpinxdeus___:  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Live
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16:10.12jpinxdeus___: sorry - brainfart - - here's the right place - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install#Downloadinstallerimage
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16:11.38deus___jpinx: i used the USB Stick as mentionned in the wiki
16:12.20deus___It's already running for some weeks, the only thing is that acpid is sending my netbook into standby whenever I close my EeePC ;-)
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16:20.38FenrirReturnsI want to make win+L lock my laptop using gnome-screensaver-command -l.  Any easy way to do this?
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16:21.38themillmatt7676: should be essentially the same from lenny onwards. (prior to lenny, apt-get didn't have autoremove)
16:22.07harkFenrirReturns: gnome-keybinding-properties
16:22.32jpinxdeus___: I ask because the installer for the eeepc includes the acpi for the eeepc
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16:22.54deus___jpinx: I installed apci :)
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16:23.54matt7676themill: ok, because I am use to apt-get. apt-cache, etc and prefer that. As much as I know, there are no other advantages of aptitude over apt-get?
16:24.48jpinxdeus___:  see the wiki pages for comments on your problems - I don't remember the specifics for it, but it has been convered
16:24.53abrotmanmatt7676: probably resolution
16:25.00abrotman!tell matt7676 about why aptitude
16:25.09deus___jpinx: okay thank you :)
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16:25.22themillmatt7676: its interactive resolver is much better that apt-get so it's handy for fixing up horrid problems. It can also do far more on the command line (e.g. remove one package and install some others all at the same time)
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16:33.26LuciusMarehello
16:33.37LuciusMarewhat version of debian would you recommend me?
16:33.57ranixLenny
16:34.33LuciusMarethe newest :)
16:34.34LuciusMareok
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16:34.53ranixwe'll be here if you have any trouble
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16:36.26LuciusMareoh
16:36.26LuciusMaregod
16:36.35acuI have a firewire camcorder connected to my lenny  - also a webcam usb - I want to broadcast with VLC - but I do not know how to find the video device name for firewire or usb (the default is dev/video - can anyone tell me how to find them  ?
16:36.36LuciusMarei got to http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/
16:36.43LuciusMarewhat file should i download?
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16:37.38LuciusMareum
16:37.40LuciusMarehello?
16:37.43acuLuciusMic: if you have access through internet you can do a netinstall
16:38.20LuciusMareacu: and if i dont?
16:38.39LuciusMareand,actually i dont want to install gnome or kde
16:38.45acuwell the first 3 cds have the most basic things on it
16:38.52LuciusMarefirst 3?
16:38.53acudo you have a DVD
16:38.57LuciusMareyes,i do
16:39.04LuciusMarebut that will take a long time to download
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16:39.25acudebian -501-i386-CD-1.iso
16:39.27acuetc
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16:39.48matt7676themill: sorry, I was away for a while. Is this "remove one package and install some others all at the same time" function just for convinience or does it help coming out from dependency problems?
16:39.51LuciusMareok,downloading the netinstall :)
16:39.53acuthere are DVDs you can download to
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16:40.09LuciusMareacu: the netinstall is not a live cd,right?
16:40.25acunetinstall - is only 154 mb - and it will start the installation - then it will go to the net and install based on what you choose
16:40.39acuLucius no
16:40.53acuwhat CPU do you have ?
16:40.53themillmatt7676: very very very handy. Also very convenient at times. Aptitude's search syntax is also extraordinarily powerful (but takes some learning!) /msg dpkg aptitude docs
16:41.05LuciusMareand what is the business card?
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16:41.19LuciusMareit is a netinstall of debian that you can burn on the small 50mb cd?
16:41.23acuI think that is for booting and installing from USB
16:41.30acubut I am not good with that
16:42.00acuLucius - what CPU do you have and how much ram
16:42.31LuciusMarenot many
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16:42.38acuthat's not an answer
16:42.39LuciusMareTravelMate 242XC
16:42.41LuciusMarei know :)
16:42.55acuwhat CPU do you have and how much RAM
16:43.30acuCentral Processing Unit - AMD 64 Athlon - Intel Core 2 Duo ?
16:43.39acuPentium4
16:43.44LuciusMareno
16:43.49ranixlol
16:43.59LuciusMarei said,travelmate 242,which is a notebook,if you would google
16:44.01LuciusMarehttp://www.acersupport.com/notebook/html/tm242xc_specs.html
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16:44.09LuciusMareso 2.4 ghz celeron and 256 mb ram
16:44.19sladiLuciusMare, 50MB is the smallest, without even the base install included, so you have to download at install more. If you're going to reinstall you might download a full CD or DVD though.
16:44.39acuLuciusMare our friend - we do not google trivial things - you need to google and know your hardware before installing something on it
16:44.49LuciusMarei know,i know,sorry
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16:45.26sladiLuciusMare, the netinstall iso doesn't need to download anything if you deselect everything in the setup. You will get a console system without any graphical desktop.
16:45.36matt7676themill: ok, thanks! It is probably handy in case when installing package X requires package Y.version2 but can't remove already installed package Y.version1 because it has some dependacies with other already installed packages?
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16:46.00acusladi:  Lucius is a newbie - he or she needs badly GUI
16:46.08acugraphic user interface :)
16:46.16ranixLuciusMare: the way I do it is to use the net install, but not even use everything on it. Near the end, the Debian installer will as you if you want to install packages such as "Desktop", "Notebook", "Games", "Office", etc. I pick none of these.
16:46.39LuciusMareoh my god,netinstall will take over one hour to download
16:46.43LuciusMarei mean,the iso file
16:46.46ranixLuciusMare: Then, I use apt-get to manually install the programs I want. Such as, I often start by apt-get install vim, less, bc, xserver-xorg, xfce4, etc.
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16:47.08ranixomg one hour
16:47.15LuciusMarexserver-xorg?
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16:47.22LuciusMareoh
16:47.23LuciusMare:)
16:47.25LuciusMarejust
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16:47.29LuciusMaredidnt flash in my mind at first
16:48.18LuciusMarewhen i install xserver,it will run at startup?
16:48.40ranixyou'd need a desktop manager, such as gdm, to make it autostart
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16:48.46ranixor a script that forces it to start
16:48.59ranixs/desktop manager/display manager/
16:49.22acuLuciusMare: download the netinstall and start installing - this will be installed by default
16:49.45Sarkhello, how can i set from the linux console a application to specific cpu if my system have more than one cores ?
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16:49.53LuciusMareand what about e17?
16:49.55dustybinmy Bind servers have stopped working:
16:49.56LuciusMareenlightement?
16:49.58dustybinsource 0.0.0.0#0): clocks are unsynchronized
16:50.08sladiacu, well there are IRC, web browsing and media players for console too. :)
16:50.10ranixLuciusMare: the best way to learn all this dbaggery is to install it on a spare computer with nothing to lose, and just futz with it until you know what you're doing
16:50.11tom_de_tomhi all -is there a way to configure debian to email mailllogs, syslogs to a mailbox at intervals?
16:50.11dustybinwhat can one install to make sure 2 debian servers clocks are sync'd ?
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16:50.26tom_de_tomlike once a day
16:50.42ranixdustybin: ntp?
16:50.50dustybinthat is installed!
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16:50.52dustybinon both!
16:50.55peppetom_de_tom: see "cron"
16:51.08anddamis there a X server that acts as vnc viewer?
16:51.09ranixSark: check the program "nice", I think it handles that for you
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16:51.14acusladi: I know you want to torture Lucius :) if you are a newbie and do not know your CPU and RAM and start with prompt installation of linux it may take 1 year :)
16:51.14dustybinactually it wasnt!!!!
16:51.30anddamor can I just run X server and connect it to a running vnc server?
16:51.42Simulator8\
16:51.43tom_de_tompeppe: cheers
16:51.53Simulatorm 29-[qHYW21`11` ];8\
16:51.53Simulator]tg'
16:51.56anddamI'd like to switch from local server to remote using ctrl-alt-N
16:51.59wicketI'm trying to make a deb with checkinstall, but when i do i just get "mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/lib/Togl1.7': Permission denied"  Am i correct to assume that whoever wrote the autotools-script fucked up? I mean, even installing it normally it should at least be in /usr/local/
16:52.02anddamwhere N is a screen number
16:52.33acuhey - can anyone help me with:  --- I have a firewire camcorder connected to my lenny  - also a webcam usb - I want to broadcast with VLC - but I do not know how to find the video device name for firewire or usb (the default is dev/video - can anyone tell me how to find them  ?
16:52.42dustybinone server says: Tue Jun  2 17:58:31 BST 2009    the other says: Tue Jun  2 17:51:51 BST 2009     NTP is installed on both, and i have restarted NTP on both
16:52.47jelly-homeSark: man taskset, possibly also man cpuset
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16:58.01bmoll8does debian come with a default firewall installed?
16:58.02jelly-home!test
16:58.02dpkgTest Failed.
16:58.08bmoll8!firewall
16:58.08dpkgit has been said that firewall is a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection
16:58.09jelly-homebmoll8: nope
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16:58.48bmoll8jelly-home: I am unable to ssh to my home computer from a remote location. Get the error 'connection refused'. I am able to ssh fine from within the home network (from laptop to server running debian)
16:59.03jelly-homedustybin: ntp service only fixes time slowly
16:59.44jelly-homedustybin: if you want to step the clock, stop ntp, run "ntpdate some-ntp-server" or "ntpdate-debian", and start the service again
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17:01.30dustybin1 server says: synchronized to 213.239.195.212, stratum 2
17:01.45jelly-homebmoll8: is your home computer also the router for your home network?  Does your ISP block new inbound ssh connections? If your debian machine at home isn't your router, did you set the router for that machine (or at least the ssh port) to be directly visible on the internet?
17:01.47dustybinthe other server says: synchronized to 194.29.130.252, stratum 1
17:01.54shrivendustybin: are any of your servers using xen by chance?
17:02.00dustybinyes!
17:02.02dustybinone is a VPS
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17:02.08dustybinthe other is my home server
17:02.08Rapphi everyone!
17:02.17dustybinVPS = XEN
17:02.32shrivendustybin: hmmm there have been some known issues with xen and clocks. Do you know what version of xen your running?
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17:02.44shriven*you, they, whoever is running the VPS....
17:02.54dustybinim with cheapVPS
17:02.56Rappmy apache on debian stable nowadays produces logfiles owned by root:adm, i want this to be root:www-data again. when did this change?
17:03.06dustybinhttp://cheapvps.co.uk/
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17:03.40shrivenwell my problem with xen and time turned out to be an issue with dom0s not being synced, so it may or may not be something you can fix
17:03.49shrivenbut what you could try if you don't care if there is a little bit of error
17:03.49dustybineeek
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17:04.02shrivenis running ntpd on your VPS, and allowing your homeserver to sync with it
17:04.03dustybinBIND will not run when my times our out
17:04.08bmoll8jelly-home: no, the home computer is not also the router--isp does not block inbound ssh connections. The ip address of the linksys router should be visible; don't really know
17:04.17shrivensure
17:04.19dustybinok
17:04.40shrivendustybin: that may be the easiest solution given you have no control over xen version or dom0
17:04.46dustybineeek
17:04.49bmoll8from what I understand, this much work isn't supposed to be needed with a linksys 54WRTG router; you just forward port 22 to the server, make sure no firewalls are active, and it should work
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17:05.02jelly-homebmoll8: your router needs to be set up so it forwards inbound ssh connections to your Debian machine in advance
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17:05.15shrivendustybin: but you may want to open a support ticket with your VPS company as well if it seems like the issue is on their virtual machine
17:05.23bmoll8jelly-home: i don't understand; I have already set up port forwarding
17:05.36bmoll8port 22 is forwarded to 192.168.1.101, which is the lan ip of my debian server
17:06.02anddamhow can I see what repository a deb package was installed from?
17:06.04jelly-homebmoll8: then it "should work"
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17:06.21themillanddam: there's no definite way, but /msg dpkg which repo
17:06.38bmoll8jelly-home: thanks; I will try later, when I am at home
17:06.40anddamthanks
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17:06.52bmoll8jelly-home: my main question was if debian had a firewall by default; i'm glad it doesn't
17:06.56jelly-homebmoll8: when you're at home, verify that sshd is listening on all the interfaces (that's default, but...)
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17:07.13jelly-homeprobably a router config issue
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17:08.37anddamthemill: namely I know the package is from a repo I removed from sources.list, I just wanted to check
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17:08.57shrivendustybin: the solution I'm suggesting shouldn't be too hard. you would just edit your /etc/ntpd.conf on the vps to allow your home IP to sync with it. (or another form of auth could be setup if the home IP is dynamic) There are a lot of easy to follow guides on running ntpd.
17:09.02anddamthemill: how can I get rid of it from dpkg cache now that I've removed its repository from sources.list?
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17:09.28madAdamHow can I log in as root? =/
17:09.44madAdamI'm new to debian I used to use ubuntu
17:09.58shrivenmadadam: you mean from the gdm, via ssh.... ?
17:10.08madAdamNot SSH
17:10.11anddammadAdam: I don't think root access is that different from ubuntu
17:10.11madAdamIt's not on a network
17:10.16Kvanttry su
17:10.20phorce1bmoll8: your "remote location" may be blocking port 22. Try using a different port at home (of course, you have to go home to change sshd.config and change your port forwarding)
17:10.28madAdamI'm trying to get the network to work ^_^
17:10.28nick_hmadAdam: do you mean on the command line?
17:10.30anddamKvant: su - as he want to log
17:10.32jelly-homemadAdam: well... just log in.
17:10.35nick_hor in kde/gnome, or .?
17:10.35madAdamIn terminal
17:10.36shrivenmadadam: it is probably better to just use su
17:10.45anddamisn't sudo even better?
17:10.54madAdamI want to use the command modprobe rt73
17:10.56madAdamI need root
17:11.01madAdamSo I do what?
17:11.02shrivensudo is not installed by default on debian, unless that has recently changed....
17:11.06madAdamsu modprobe rt73?
17:11.11shrivensu root
17:11.13shrivenenter pw
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17:11.14anddammadAdam: rtfm ?
17:11.16shriventhen you are root
17:11.25madAdamHow do I install sudo? :P
17:11.31madAdamI don't have network access
17:11.31jelly-homemadAdam: "su -" will get you a nice root shell.
17:11.36shrivenwith aptitude
17:11.39shrivenaptitude install sudo
17:11.40shrivenbut really
17:11.42shriventry su first
17:11.45madAdamKay
17:11.52jelly-home!tell shriven -about enter
17:11.55anddamshriven: and an install disc as he has no network
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17:12.50madAdamRight
17:12.53madAdamOkay got root
17:13.01madAdamNow it's saying modprobe module not found
17:13.10jelly-home!rt73
17:13.10dpkgThe Ralink RT73 USB chipset (RT2501USB/RT2571W) is supported by the enhanced legacy driver (rt73) and next-generation driver (rt73usb), both available from the <rt2x00> project.  Firmware is required to be loaded before driver operation.  See http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 for driver and firmware installation instructions.  See also <ralink firmware>, <rt2x00>.
17:13.18madAdamWould it be on the debian disk one?
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17:13.50madAdamI hate USB wireless devices ¬_¬ Wired would not give me this shit
17:13.58madAdamIn ubuntu it worked fine as plug and play ^_^
17:14.51dustybinshriven: i have live VPS support
17:15.02dustybinshriven: they are sorting it out :D
17:15.15shrivenexcellent
17:15.23madAdamWait I lied it says rt73 module not found
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17:16.12anddamthemill: the repository I get from both method is "/var/lib/dpkg/status" does it means I installed the .deb with dpkg?
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17:16.16anddammean*
17:16.49Rappi'll try again: how do i change apache2 so that it logs as group www-data instead of adm? using adm, awstats stops to function. (debian stable, apache2)
17:17.20madAdamSo how do I get this RT73 module without and internet connection?
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17:17.46abrotmanRapp: /etc/logrotate.d/apache2
17:17.53themillanddam: that just means that there is no known repository that provides that package. Check the output of apt-cache policy packagename or dpkg -l packagename to see if it's actually installed.
17:17.56anddammadAdam: go someplace with internet connection
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17:18.23abrotmanRapp: you can change the perms and the ownership
17:18.27Rappabrotman: thanks, just found it myself :)
17:18.42anddamthemill: it is, I'm already using it and I think the package is still in dpkg list because it's installed
17:18.43harkmadAdam: it's rt73usb
17:18.48Rappabrotman: would you consider this a bug in debian stable? cause the default settings make awstats unusable
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17:19.23themillanddam: right. You can't tell dpkg to forget packages anyway, and you certainly can't tell it to forget packages that are installed
17:19.34anddamthemill: I can see the repository as I only disabled it in sources list so I'm not worried about breaking something I was just curious about how to get info from apt
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17:19.54anddamthemill:no obviously I meant how can I make dpkg forget a package after I uninstall it :-)
17:20.41madAdamSo what
17:20.48madAdammodprobe rt73usb?
17:21.03harkmadAdam: what does uname -r say?
17:21.30aixenvhey guys i have an issue with a debian etch server that has software raid, according to mdadm --detail /dev/md0 it shows disk0 is  removed and the raid1 is degraded, so our engineer tossed in a new disk and ran 'mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdcN' but when the system came up there was no O/S , did he miss a step?
17:21.48madAdam2.6.26
17:21.59madAdam-2/686
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17:22.14vasundharHi , I am using lenny. my wifi worked perfectly for a while and now it stopped all of a sudden
17:22.17LuciusMareomg
17:22.18LuciusMaregoddamn
17:22.19LuciusMareomfg
17:22.19LuciusMarewtf
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17:22.42harkmadAdam: yes, but you need the firmware as well
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17:23.36LuciusMareomh
17:23.39madAdamI'm trying to get my Belkin FD57050 to work. The PC i am trying to install it on has no network connection, any help?
17:23.44LuciusMaremy notebook just got destroyed
17:23.57LuciusMarei was installing debian and it just popped,and i cant turn it on again
17:24.09LuciusMareomfg
17:24.14LuciusMarei am so damn fucking dumb
17:24.28aixenvwhat would debian have to do with faulty hardware
17:24.28agaranit happens,
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17:24.37abrotman!enter
17:24.37dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation.  Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying.  Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.  If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
17:24.38LuciusMarefalse alarm :)
17:24.38agaranjust don't tell everyone that
17:24.55dhblewis1I have Debian 5.0 on a virtual server. I am used to shared hosting and am a bit overwhelmed at the moment. I am trying to add a new user like root but that only has access to /var/www/ ?
17:24.56abrotmanRapp: no i wouldn't
17:25.16LuciusMaremy notebook has got battery screwed up,and i forgotto plug it ...
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17:25.36LuciusMareso it just turned off because of battery :)
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17:25.47abrotmanRapp: i don't use awstats .. but i'm sure there's some mention of how to make this work in the docs in /usr/share/doc/awstats/
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17:28.31madAdamI'm trying to get my Belkin FD57050 to work. The PC i am trying to install it on has no network connection, any help?
17:28.44EgyCoder09Nmap will kill me .. ( -n argument used for don't resolve ) but the output is the same if i use it or not  ???
17:29.27vasundharhttp://paste.debian.net/37848/
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17:29.51EgyCoder09can i aski about Nmap here or not ?
17:29.51unopmadAdam, i had to use the madwifi set to get it working
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17:33.12bbelt16aghow do I get my usb  on my pc to find my usb drive?
17:33.22bbelt16agdo I need to restart hal?
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17:34.19Rappabrotman: you were right of course, it is in the README.Debian. however, why they would deliver a non-working default eludes me...
17:35.01madAdamRight that's it
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17:35.14madAdamI'm shoving this hard drive in a PC with a ethernet port
17:35.16madAdam>.<
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17:35.58oobebbelt16ag, you can just mount it manually if you like
17:36.48dhblewis1I have Debian 5.0 on a virtual server. I am used to shared hosting and am a bit overwhelmed at the moment. I am trying to add a new user like root but that only has access to /var/www/ ?
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17:37.38HardDisk_WPHey
17:37.48HardDisk_WPanyone here experienced with infrared RC?
17:38.09abrotmanRapp: because you're either going to have to change the perms on the file, or add the awstats user to the adm group .. right ?
17:38.10HardDisk_WPI got an USB-to-infrared bridge, based on PL2303 chipset. it registers as /dev/ttyUSB0
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17:41.56Razoriggaerrr
17:42.03Razoriggapeople i got a heavy problem :S
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17:43.29Razoriggai got a VPS with debian, just downloaded a .zip-file with SSH from a website over http in a dir, failed to untar/gzip it(of course) and some minutes later the whole server is not responding
17:43.43Razoriggai can't reach any website on it's domain/webserver
17:43.51RazoriggaSSH an WinSCP doesn't work, too
17:44.02Razoriggaanyone knows this problem?
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17:45.13anddamthemill: still there?
17:45.17anddamthe computer hanged
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17:49.20dhblewis1#apache
17:49.38dhblewis1I have Debian 5.0 on a virtual server. I am used to shared hosting and am a bit overwhelmed at the moment. I am trying to add a new user like root but that only has access to /var/www/ ?
17:49.43LuciusMarehow can i run something as a root?
17:49.56JPTsudo ?
17:50.02LuciusMarethere is none
17:50.03pickcoderLuciusMare: login as root?
17:50.19greycatdhblewis1: create a subdirectory under /var/www/ and give the account ownership of that.
17:50.27anddammm I issued a "sudo notepad" in terminal emulator and I get a "wine: " error saying my home directory is not owned by me so a configuration won't be created
17:50.31greycatdhblewis1: or if you prefer, just change ownership of /var/www itself.
17:50.34anddamwhat's wine to do with notepad?
17:51.16ranixsudo notepad?
17:51.20ranixwtf notepad
17:51.38dhblewis1greycat will that mean if I sign in on using ftp or ssh the only folder will come up is var/www
17:51.42LuciusMarenope,omh notepad :)
17:51.43anddamit's a gtk editor, I was editing config files the lazy-way
17:51.45LuciusMare*omg
17:51.53anddamoh my bad
17:51.55anddamthat's mousepad
17:52.04anddamnotepad is the winblows editor
17:52.26anddam:-p
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17:52.45cupshi..
17:53.15cups
17:53.16cupssomeone install:04b4:4100 Cypress Semiconductor Corp?
17:53.20anddamagain, can I "flush" dpkg cache?
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17:53.25greycatdhblewis1: no, it won't mean that
17:53.43dhblewis1greycat ok. is there a way I can do that
17:53.44LuciusMareafk,going to play with my new debian toy :)))
17:54.04ranixwait until you find ssh, LuciusMare
17:54.26ranixand then, screen
17:54.31ranixit will be like opening presents
17:54.32abrotmancups: you?
17:54.39abrotmanjudd: pciid 04b4:4100
17:54.40juddabrotman: [04b4:4100] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=04b4:4100
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17:55.05LuciusMareranix: i know :)
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17:55.18LuciusMarebut have to play,before it will work
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17:56.14cupsabrotman, no, and you?
17:56.46abrotmanwhy would i? i don't have that hardware
17:56.50simonrvno_O
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18:00.04LindenleHi on phone need help with iwl4965 wireless event too big error
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18:00.57LuciusMarehow can i add someone into a group?
18:01.10LuciusMarei mean,the command
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18:02.23greycatI think there's an "adduser" command for it, but I normally just edit /etc/group
18:02.45stewLuciusMare: adduser username groupname
18:02.55LuciusMarethank
18:02.57LuciusMares
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18:25.25lethiasI've got a folder owned by root but I want my user profile to be able edit the files in it.  I added the group webadmin and added root and user to it but it doesn't let me modifiy the files.  Did I miss somethign?
18:26.50JPTif it's the same issue i had recently, you'll need to login again
18:27.05lethiasoh ok
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18:28.37lethiasha ha, that did it.  Didn't know that you had to log out and back in.   Thanks JPT.
18:28.52JPTno problem ;)
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18:29.41zxdwhat's directory //
18:29.44zxd\\\\\\\
18:29.46zxd/
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18:30.30greycat/ is the root of the hierarchy of directories
18:30.48greycatIt's the top of the namespace tree.
18:30.52JPTit's like the universe everything is existing in :)
18:30.54zxdlike  cd //
18:30.54zxd<zxd> @server1://$ pwd
18:31.50zxd//
18:31.50greycatIt's the same as /
18:31.52zxdis it a bug?
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18:32.18greycatNo, POSIX requires the shell to preserve // as // and not shorten it to / the way it does with ///
18:32.28greycatSo bash preserves it as // just like you typed it.
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18:33.31Cybo-Mobilehi, sudo ifconfig issues "can't open /etc/sudoers, permission denied"  User is in visudo file ALL: ALL /etc/  owner is root:root --r--r--- what gives?
18:33.59module000Cybo-Mobile: the error is self explanatory?
18:34.09module000Cybo-Mobile: make /etc/sudoers accessible by the user typing sudo ifconfig
18:34.19module000or add them to a group that is such
18:34.30greycatCybo-Mobile: What version of kubuntu are you using?
18:34.34Cybo-Mobilemodule000, you would THINK so, but mathces my ubuntu dir listing as well (offending box is Lenny)
18:34.47greycatCybo-Mobile: ls -ld $(which sudo)
18:34.56Cybo-Mobileahhh, good plan
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18:35.41dhblewis1wat is the command to change home folder of user?
18:35.55stewdhblewis1: usemod
18:36.01stewdhblewis1: err usermod
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18:37.02LuciusMarehello,i connected to another computer trough ssl - putty.How can i transfer files?
18:37.16DrThodt_what is %h? im looking at sshd_config and it has AuthorizedKeysFile%h/.ssh/authorized_key
18:37.17Woogahow to delete some packages with dependence breaking, without automated fixing then?
18:37.34stewdhblewis1: the users' home directories
18:37.39stewDrThodt_: ^^
18:37.42Woogaand autoremoving all, of what dependence was breaked
18:37.44Cybo-Mobilegreycat I get -rwsrwsrwt root root /usr/bin/sudo on Lenny, -rwsr-xr-x root root /usr/bin/sudo on Ubuntu.  No other Lenny box to compare, how does that look to you?
18:37.47DrThodt_coolbeans ty
18:38.03LuciusMareand how can i set in debian my keyboard layout?
18:38.12zxdwhat tool is used nowadays to setup l2tp/ipsec in linux ? I read there is a l2tp module now , any recommendations on a l2tp program that uses this kernel module
18:38.15stewWooga: why would you want to break the dependencies of packages?
18:38.21greycatCybo-Mobile: some very dumb person typed "chmod 7777 /usr/bin/sudo" on your box.
18:38.23stewLuciusMare: /msg dpkg keymap
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18:38.31JyZyXELso everyone in my graduation party had a real fancy suite, i had shorts and debian t-shirt
18:38.35Cybo-Mobilegreycat, that would be the customer.
18:38.36greycatCybo-Mobile: It needs to be undone.
18:38.44zinxCybo-Mobile: you're already pwnd :(
18:39.01greycatYeah, you can't really trust anything on this box at this point.
18:39.04Cybo-Mobilegreycat my purpose was to find out if it was replaced or user error
18:39.10dhblewis1stew would it be usermod (username) -home /var/www/    ??
18:39.11Cybo-MobileI agree
18:39.11zinxCybo-Mobile: debsums
18:39.14greycatIt could have been replaced by any attacker now.
18:39.22Cybo-Mobilewill look into debsums
18:39.25zinxyeah, it could have been replaced then swapped back, no less
18:39.34Woogastefanko, for example, new gconf2 in squeeze don't letting gnome to load by gnome-session, when version from lenny works fine
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18:39.52greycatA really clever attacker would have corrected the permissions after swapping back the original binary.
18:39.56Woogait's grave-state bug, which wasn't fixed for months
18:40.02zinxgreycat: not many of those around, thankfully
18:40.06stewdhblewis1: nope options come before the username, and it would be --home or -d but not -home
18:40.10Woogai just enough of dpkg
18:40.19zxdhow do i configure in telnet to map  backspace to ctrl-h
18:40.20Cybo-Mobilea really clever user would not have let that happend.
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18:40.39Cybo-MobileNow I will hear about how MY box is broken and I give bad boxes out for rent
18:41.20jelly-homezxd: as a stop-gap measure, "stty erase <ctrl-v><your backspace key><enter>"
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18:41.57jelly-homezxd: it won't do what you want, but will make backspace work.  In shell.
18:42.29dhblewis1so would be usermod --home /var/www/ dhblewis ?
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18:43.23zxdjelly-home, I need it to work in the terminal server running in the switch
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18:43.42Woogauh... so how i can do legitimate dependences breake with apt?
18:43.53stewWooga: you wouldn't
18:44.18ike^is there any app that will allow me to edit the windows registry on the box? i screwed up a tad:S
18:44.20stewWooga: unless you were going to immediately fix them
18:44.28stewWooga: why do you want to break dependecies?
18:44.29zxdjelly-home, stty only affects the shell no ?
18:44.34Woogaoh, shi- so apt isn't flexible enough..
18:44.34jelly-homezxd: right
18:44.47Woogadamn, did you read what i said about gconf2 in squeeze?
18:44.52zxdjelly-home, can I do the same for ssh client
18:44.57stewWooga: check the bts for a workaround
18:45.10Woogabts?
18:45.15stewWooga: the bug tracking system
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18:45.26Woogaah, there it in grave state for months
18:45.31stewok
18:45.37jelly-homezxd: it should inherit it (it's the terminal settings that are changed, I _think_)
18:45.38stewWooga: which bug#?
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18:45.58greycatstty affects the current terminal, not the shell
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18:46.25dhblewis1stew would it  be usermod --home /var/www/ (username) ?
18:46.33Woogastew, #522370
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18:46.42stewdhblewis1: yes
18:46.46Throatbah, my system is frozen... I could just see in top that two processes each use ~100% cpu (one core) and now I can't even connect by ssh
18:46.49zxdgreycat, after I manage to login to the switch the mapping dosent work anymore
18:46.58zxdi guess it becomes a new terminal
18:46.59dhblewis1stew and will this effect proftd login?
18:47.02Throat... or switch to cli
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18:47.19Throatany idea how else to kill the processes?
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18:48.33stew!dbugs 522370
18:48.39dpkg#522370:N[gnome-session] gnome-session starts D-Bus session bus the wrong way (patch); Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:42:02 UTC []
18:48.40greycatThe processes running on the switch aren't affected by the settings on your local Debian box.  Assuming this is a "telnet or ssh from Debian to <mystery switch box>" problem.
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18:48.52drwahli ram running a fileserver with debian lenny on an IDE drive and a RAID5 on 6 SATA drives (with mdadm).  my IDE drive died today. can i install debian on a new IDE drive and recover the raid?
18:48.52stewWooga: looks like normal not grave, but watever,  have you tried the attached patch?
18:49.04rvsjoenhow to get rid of this in debian ? perl locale warnings when running aptitude, http://dpaste.com/50654/ , I tried dpkg-reconfigure locales and selected en_US.UTF-8 only
18:49.43rvsjoenwhere is LC_MESSAGES and LC_COLLATE set by default ?
18:49.45jelly-homervsjoen: unset your LC_MESSAGES and LC_COLLATE?
18:49.49sepskiThroat,  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
18:50.00Throatsepski: are they enabled by default?
18:50.17ThroatI thought not... they're a security risk
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18:50.54Throatstill a good idea to try before reboot
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18:51.59rvsjoenjelly-home: unsetting works, thanks
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18:52.58jelly-homervsjoen: a UTF-8 locale slows down grep, useful to know if you're doing heavy grepping
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18:53.56rvsjoenvery useful, didn't know that
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18:54.18xingujelly-home: add more memory bandwidth until a satisfactory performance level is achieved. :)
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18:55.04jelly-homexingu: I'll just switch to a UTF16 based OS
18:55.20Woogastew, hm, which bugtracker is greycat use?
18:55.56Woogain http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-rc@lists.debian.org/msg173139.html is no patch and grave status
18:56.03greycatme?
18:56.05stewWooga: greycat?  why don't you ask him?
18:56.15greycatWhat'd I do?
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18:56.28Woogaoh, sorry, i mean 'dpkg' bot
18:56.44Woogamixed you two xD
18:56.49stewWooga: see http://bugs.debian.org/522370 (or bugs.debian.org/packagename or bugs.debian.org/bug#
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18:57.10Throathehe, abrotman is ont the only bot :)
18:57.18drwahli ram running a fileserver with debian lenny on an IDE drive and a RAID5 on 6 SATA drives (with mdadm).  my IDE drive died today. can i install debian on a new IDE drive and recover the raid?
18:57.24abrotmandoes a /nick abotman
18:57.25stewWooga: yes, that bug was filed as grave with no patch, but since then the severity was corrected to be normal, and merged with another bug and a patch tag added
18:57.31jelly-homedrwahl: if just one drive died, you should be able to boot anything (say, a livecd) and access the degraded md device
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18:57.53drwahljelly-home: err, the IDE drive just had the OS on it, the RAID5 just has some data
18:58.01drwahlmy concern is that some config files might be on the OS
18:58.14TheDracleI'm trying to get a Debian Lenny system to recognize my Intel 82576 based network cards. As far as I can tell the igb.ko module should do this, but upon inserting it- it doesn't seem to detect the network interface. The module seems to be 1.0.8-k2
18:58.20ranixdrwahl: you'll have to rebuild the array, but should be able to recover just fine
18:58.36ranixas long as you documented everything
18:58.41Woogawell, thanks for stright pointing my nose to right direction.
18:58.55TheDracleMaybe there are development versions of the igb driver available that support these cards?
18:58.56ranixactually probably even if you didn't
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18:59.32ranixdrwahl: fdisk should give you your partition layouts, which should be identical for each sata drive
18:59.46ranixdrwahl: and you can rebuild your md array with that information
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19:00.20jelly-homedrwahl: oh, you can boot/install any Linux, and bring up that md back.  If no drives used for it are gone, it'll be easy
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19:01.27ranixjelly-home: won't matter what order he loads them up in, will it?
19:01.27jelly-homedrwahl: basically install your OS and use /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf to create /etc/mdadm.conf from the on-disk metadata
19:01.51ranixaah
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19:01.55ranixthat's pretty nifty stuff
19:02.12ranixmd is sexy
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19:02.43jelly-homeranix: it shouldn't, but there's no mention that any md members are bad
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19:03.46Throatdoh, it's getting more interesting - until now sshs just hung... now the machine closes connection immediately
19:03.48soulinxhello..Is python 2.6 in apt (for unstable maybe?)
19:04.04greycatsoulinx: packages.debian.org
19:04.09ranixjudd: versions python
19:04.10juddranix: python -- etch: 2.4.4-2 lenny: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.4-2 squeeze: 2.5.4-2 experimental: 2.5.4-3
19:04.15ranixsoulinx: nope
19:04.23stewjudd: versions python2.6
19:04.23juddstew: python2.6 -- experimental: 2.6.1-3
19:04.29Throat:)
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19:04.34greycathttp://packages.debian.org/python   also works.
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19:04.38ranixblast stew! I shall sulk in a corner
19:04.55LuciusMareanyone can work with rtorrent?
19:04.56shrivenOkay, another packaging question. I want to add arbitrary files that are not part of the compiled program. How do I get those to stay into my .deb druing the build process?
19:04.57soulinxexperimental?Can i add it in sources.list
19:04.58soulinx?
19:05.02stewsoulinx: you shouldn't
19:05.20soulinxif i have in apt.conf
19:05.26soulinxdefault release testing?
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19:05.28soulinxis it ok?
19:05.34stewsoulinx: no
19:05.38soulinxI just need python 2.6
19:05.43soulinxwhat's the best thing to do
19:05.44soulinx?
19:06.39LuciusMareanyone can work with rtorrent?
19:06.51nkuttlerLuciusMare: don't repeat and ask your real question
19:06.57nkuttlersoulinx: /msg dpkg backports
19:07.03LuciusMaresry
19:07.18stewor /msg dpkg experimental
19:07.20Throatnkuttler: backports of experimental?
19:07.26stewnot recommended
19:07.28LuciusMarehow can i force rtorrent to recheck the torrent file?
19:07.29nkuttlerThroat: read the factoid
19:07.42nkuttlerLuciusMare: ctrl+r, should be in the manpage
19:07.43jelly-homeLuciusMare: the manual lists all the keybindings
19:08.09shrivenman rtorrent
19:08.12shrivenor
19:08.12shrivenhttp://linux.die.net/man/1/rtorrent
19:08.19Throatnkuttler: it's not very useful to him
19:08.31jelly-homeLuciusMare: go left ("back") to the torrent list, up and down to select the correct torrent, then the recheck key
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19:08.48nkuttlerThroat: no python2.6 then for him
19:08.49jelly-homeforgets which key it is
19:09.00LuciusMarejelly-home: and what keyx is it?
19:09.01LuciusMareaw
19:09.06nkuttlerThroat: but feel free to help him, not correct me
19:09.09Throat!blame nkuttler
19:09.09dpkgblames sepski and nkuttler for all the evil in the world
19:09.20LuciusMaredpkg is bot,rightM
19:09.20dpkgparse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, LuciusMare
19:09.23nkuttlerThroat: try being constructive
19:09.31Throatconstructive!
19:09.35ThroatI'm facing a reboot!
19:09.42Throatdoom, doom, doom
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19:10.03stewThroat: why wouldn't it be usefule to him?
19:10.09stewuseful*
19:10.14drwahljelly-home: thanks for the info on recovering the raid. i'll give it a shot tonight :)
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19:11.04Throatstew: because it's mostly for the backports repository...
19:11.42stewThroat: no its not
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19:11.52CircuitsoftHow can I build binutils/gcc/newlib/gdb packages with custom configure command lines?
19:12.45ThroatCircuitsoft: /msg dpkg build custom package
19:13.23Throatoh well, guess I'll go and press the reset-button...
19:13.27Throateek, I said the r-word
19:14.14Throatstew: ok, it's moderately useful :)
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19:16.58LuciusMarehello,how can i make rtorrent quit after finishing a download?
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19:17.46greycatYou mean after sharing back 1:1?  Ask #rtorrent.
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19:19.53Fiberbox<LuciusMare> hello,how can i make rtorrent quit after finishing a download?
19:19.56Fiberboxlol leecher.
19:20.04LuciusMare?
19:20.10Fiberboxhit & run.
19:20.12greycathence my counter-question
19:20.21LuciusMareoh
19:20.27LuciusMareso
19:20.36greycatIn any case, #rtorrent is where you ask this.
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19:29.16CircuitsoftThroat: I'm finding the debian/rules file to be incredibly complex, thus my question.
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19:29.35CircuitsoftI think there are many parts of the file that don't matter to me.
19:29.50CircuitsoftFiguring out what to change and what not to is confusing.
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19:30.50SexyKenis 00 0 * * * proper timing for a midnight nightly process?
19:30.58SexyKenCRON process, that is
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19:31.46greycatyes
19:31.51ins4ne^hey there...
19:32.18ins4ne^got some problem.... I just killed my apache2 configuration files - how might I reinstall it completely (including these config files, the default ones) ?
19:32.47Circuitsoftins4ne^ apt-get purge apache
19:32.55ranixins4ne^: apt-get remove then apt-get install will do it for you, it should regenerate the config files if they don't exist
19:33.07greycatins4ne^: apt-get --purge remove apache2.2-common
19:33.08ranixins4ne^: if you mangled them instead of just deleting, you'll need to apt-get purge
19:33.11greycatI think.
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19:33.38ins4ne^also tried purging it but it does not regenerate them....
19:33.43ins4ne^already*
19:33.52Circuitsoftpurge should remove them completely, then install should recreate them.
19:34.20stewins4ne^: which package did you purge?
19:34.21greycatins4ne^: make sure you got ALL the packages, like apache2.2-common
19:34.38ins4ne^the mpm, the libraries, the apache2.2-common package....
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19:34.55stewthe apache2.2-common package is the one that owns the conffiles
19:35.05stewins4ne^: which configuration file is missing currently?
19:35.11ins4ne^yea... but I'm still missing my apache2.conf ....
19:35.15ins4ne^not even a default oen
19:35.17ins4ne^one*
19:35.43stewins4ne^: then you need to reinstall apache2.2-common with confmiss (/msg dpkg confmiss) or purge apache2.2-common and reinstall it
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19:37.38r3r3hey rm -rf * happend in the folder where you are only?
19:38.04ins4ne^great work... thx :)
19:38.23greycatr3r3: it recurses from wherever you start
19:38.32r3r3k thanks
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19:40.31ins4ne^now I get "[warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts"
19:40.38ins4ne^is this perfectly normal for default config?
19:40.46JPTjop
19:41.08greycatins4ne^: If you have it twice, you'll get that error.
19:41.30ins4ne^where does that line reside normally?
19:41.55greycaterrr... hard for me to say because all of mine are upgraded from older setups
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19:44.25anddamwhen my lenny boots it prints lot of messages to console, I can get rid of them with dmesg -n 1 but where is the related system config so I don't have to run dmesg either manually or automatically?
19:45.01greycat"get rid of them with dmesg"??
19:45.12greycatuh, if you just want to clear the screen, you could run "clear" instead.
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19:45.16anddamgreycat: what's wrong?
19:45.29greycatdmesg shows you the kernel's most recent messages.
19:45.31anddamno I don't want the system printing log messages in console while I'm using it
19:45.33greycatit doesn't "get rid of" messages.
19:45.43anddamgreycat  dmesg -n sets the level of log printed to console
19:45.44harryvI have to swap disks on a system - the one that's in now will probably set out soon. What's the best way to do that - transfer a whole system from one disk to another and then being able to boot up from the new one
19:45.51CutMeOwnThroatwhat is it printing?
19:45.52abrotmanhe's saying he doesn't want residual boot messages on the screen after booting the system
19:45.59abrotmani think
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19:46.10anddamipmasq thingy I think, and info about the rt2x00 wifi card
19:46.15anddamphy0 detached and so
19:46.20greycatHe's changed it... now he's talking about kernel messages generated *after* he logs in.
19:46.33anddamgreycat: untrue
19:46.52anddamgreycat: I was talking about those even before, and they are printed even if I don't log
19:46.54CutMeOwnThroatgreycat, of course... would be too easy if the description wouldn't constantly change
19:46.56greycatAlso, I did not know Debian dmesg had that kind of control over syslogd/klogd/rsyslog/whatever the hell Debian uses now.
19:47.18CutMeOwnThroatdmesg -n sets the loglevel
19:47.35greycatanddam: so you're talking about logging in, running dmesg -n blah by hand, then logging out, then CARING what is written at the login prompt on the console?
19:47.40CutMeOwnThroatand I know the answer he wants
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19:47.56anddamCutMeOwnThroat: oh nice, would you tell me?
19:48.00anddamgreycat: no
19:48.07CutMeOwnThroatanddam, /etc/syslog.conf
19:48.07greycatI give up then.
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19:48.42CutMeOwnThroatat least I think I did :)
19:48.51anddamCutMeOwnThroat: rsyslog here
19:48.58anddambut I see your point
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19:50.06anddam# NOTE: adjust the list below, or you'll go crazy if you have a reasonably
19:50.20anddamseems to be this one
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19:51.49CutMeOwnThroatgreycat, it's kind of like jeopardy, but you ALSO have to guess the answer :-P
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19:52.10Computerhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=528043 I have this problem, as the installer does mkfs.ext3 over an LVM stripe; how do I get around this? This report mentions sending an echo to the stdin of the mkfs.ext3 process.. can I do that from the machine if I can't ctrl+alt+F1 on the machine?
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19:52.31anddamwas my question _that_ unclear?
19:52.36greycatCutMeOwnThroat: If he had simply said "I want to prevent kernel messages from appearing on the console", I would have said something like "edit /etc/syslog.conf or whatever the hell Debian uses to replace it in your version"
19:52.41p4tr0p1anybody knows if there's a way to run Unity Player for linux ?
19:52.48ComputerI guess I could rerun the installer and set up networking and sshd before running the mkfs.ext3 part
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19:53.13anddamgreycat: I didn't knew those were kernel messages
19:54.12edjuRunning lenny, KDE 3.5.  top shows nepomuk running.  I thought that's KDE 4 stuff.  How to disable it?
19:54.40CutMeOwnThroatanddam, kind of... I got onto what you wanted only with reading the dmesg manpage...
19:55.02greycatI really had no idea dmesg was used to CHANGE the behavior of the system as well as read kernel messages in Debian.
19:55.03the|NavigatorHey, I'm trying to install postfixadmin on lenny, but it insists I need wwwconfig-common 0.2 or later.  Lenny only seems to be able to run 0.1.2 when I look at http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=wwwconfig-common
19:55.06CutMeOwnThroatanddam, and what you see is probably *.emerg      and those are considered kinda important... you should look into the errors instead of just switching them off
19:55.15CutMeOwnThroatgreycat, me neither
19:55.17greycatOn most version of unix, you use it to read kernel messages, period.
19:56.04anddamgreycat: I thought dmesg was linux-only
19:56.23greycatnope
19:57.16greycatHmm, a Red Hat 5.2 box also has this "dmesg -n level" thing, so it must be from some widely used Linux tool suite.
19:57.26ajavidwhat is the gnome pdf reader called
19:57.29ajavidI can't seem to find it
19:57.35greycatOpenBSD and HP-UX have read-only dmesgs.
19:58.00themillajavid: evince
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19:58.17CutMeOwnThroatComputer, you can also run mkfs.ext3 from a console... or is the console not yet available at that time?
19:58.21ajavidthemill, thanks
19:58.34ajavidthemill, aptitude search only searches package names not descriptions, right?
19:58.46ajavidthemill, anyway to tell aptitude to search descriptions too like apt-cache
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19:59.35themillajavid: istr that changed recently.
19:59.46ajavidI don't think so I'm on sid updated today
19:59.56ajavidaptitude search pdf and apt-cache search pdf is a huge diff
19:59.56CutMeOwnThroatjudd, versions wwwconfig-common
19:59.57juddCutMeOwnThroat: wwwconfig-common -- etch: 0.0.48 lenny: 0.1.2 sid: 0.2.0 sid: 0.2.1 squeeze: 0.2.1
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20:00.15CutMeOwnThroatduh, he already left
20:00.19ajavidapt-cache reports at least 3 times as many packages
20:00.37CutMeOwnThroatwhy can't people even wait 5 minutes
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20:00.55ComputerCutMeOwnThroat, good idea I don't know
20:01.04ajavidand I'm using xfce4 and every doubleclick in file manager opens in smplayer. how does one fix that
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20:01.08Computerthe Debian installer is really awesome
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20:01.15ComputerI love it
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20:02.02CutMeOwnThroatdidn't use it for 8 years or so
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20:02.33jelly-homeCutMeOwnThroat: that's a bad thing about Debian, you only try the installer once
20:03.15Qewajavid: aptitude search ~dpdf will search in descriptions
20:03.25ajavidQew, word. thanks
20:03.41ajavidI'll just modify my alias and add that bit to it
20:03.46ajavidshould be a config options let me check the docs
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20:04.34CutMeOwnThroatjelly-home, well, I installed new systems... but they're all cloned from my previous one
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20:07.48matt7676why has GNU/Linux systems so many dependencies? I mean in Windows(Windows 2000 and newer) I hardly had any dependency issues.
20:08.04themillhuh?
20:08.13greycatYou bought Windows installed as one big giant blob of stuff from a single vendor.
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20:08.34greycatIf you had bought a Debian system installed the same way and never used apt-get or dpkg, you'd probably see it differently.
20:09.01themillmatt7676: perhaps you should stick to lenny
20:09.09streuner_judd, versions libc6
20:09.09juddstreuner_: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-13
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20:09.34pickcodermatt7676: example?
20:09.42giorgyHello, is there any way to check if a switch is online if it doesn't have snmp ?
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20:10.07greycatIf it has an IP, you can attempt to ping it or connect to it.
20:10.28greycatIf it's a cheap unmanaged switch, check the blinkenlights.
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20:11.03giorgyah, so it doesn't have a MAC assgined if it's unmanaged
20:11.36ins4ne^bye :) and thx for the help
20:11.36flexyI'm trying to install debian on a asus WL-500g Premium (wireless ap router). I'm having trouble with getting the network working as in openwrt. Any hints?
20:11.36greycatit may have one or MAC addresses without having IPs... eh, I'm not sure of all this stuff.  ask ##networking
20:12.06matt7676themill: I'm using Lenny at the moment and I like it very much. However, I was just wondering, that if I try to install for example amsn, then I have to install  amsn amsn-data{a} libsnack2{a} tcl-tls{a} tcl8.5{a} tk8.5{a}. In Windows environment I install just one big exe file and thats it.
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20:12.30greycatmatt7676: you type "apt-get install amsn" and it takes care of all that for you.
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20:12.36greycator aptitude, etc.
20:12.37jelly-homegiorgy: useless answer: connect to its serial console!
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20:13.05greycatIf you're really asking "Why does Debian split upstream sources into so many packages?" then it's just a question of the preferences of the Debian developers.
20:13.09pickcodermatt7676: that big EXE contains all the libs and stuff. The difference with apt is that you _see_ what dependencies are being required
20:13.21lindenleHi all I was having a hell of a time connecting to an open wireless network before i removed the file /etc/dbus-1/system.d/wpa_supplicant.conf. Anyone know what this bug is?
20:13.23TrueDDHi all
20:13.27pickcoderyou can choose not to install it if you don't want a specific library to install
20:13.34giorgyjelly-home: might as well use 15 mirrors to redirects it's image to me :P
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20:13.42themillmatt7676: and when some other program wants to use tk or tcl, you already have it installed. On windows, each program would keep its own copy of the library in Program Files and that would take more disk space
20:13.46pickcoderat that point, you can complain to the author of the app
20:14.17ajavidError retrieving bug reports from the server with the following error message: W: syntax error
20:14.26ajavid...
20:14.55ajavidcan anyone else confirm if thier apt-listbugs is actually working, latest in sid
20:15.06ajavidi didn't see anything in bts about it
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20:15.59jelly-homeajavid: had issues with it today, it always failed the first time but worked on retry [Y]
20:16.02matt7676themill: that's exactly what I mean. The only disadvantage seems to be wasted disk space, but it isn't a issua at nowadays? On the other hand, the hole removing/upgrading/installing libraries system seems to be so complex for package deveopers.
20:16.13pickcodermatt7676: OSS code tends to move foward more aggresively than commercial stuff, which can sometimes cause dependency issues.
20:16.17pickcodermatt7676: so use windows?
20:16.35greycatWasted disk space, wasted bandwidth downloading 7 copies of Tcl/Tk, wasted RAM running 7 nonshared instances of Tcl/Tk libraries...
20:16.36anddamnext topic: is there a way to "flush" dpkg cache? dpkg -l is showing a package that is not installed (but used to be) and is not in any actual repository
20:16.49greycatanddam: dpkg --purge pkgname
20:16.56themillmatt7676: it's not complicated for the developers at all, in fact it's an advantage as it allows you to use lots of different libraries in your project without having to reinvent the wheel each time.
20:16.59abrotmanmatt7676: in windows, those dependencies are either already on the system, loaded as DLLs at install time, or staticly compile things .. they're there, you just don't see it as often
20:17.05CutMeOwnThroatmatt7676/themill it's not really true... windows also has DLLs
20:17.18jelly-homeanddam: what does the line for that package look like?
20:17.21themillCutMeOwnThroat: err... and?
20:17.32ajavidjelly-home, yup, here it goes
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20:17.36anddamgreycat: dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove amule-adunanza which isn't installed.
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20:17.44anddamjelly: what line exactly?
20:17.45jelly-homeanddam: if it's un ... or pn ... you can just ignore it
20:17.51anddamit's pn
20:17.56pickcodermatt7676: the difference is you have direct control over it
20:17.56anddamI just uninstalled it
20:18.04CutMeOwnThroatthemill, nothing and... it's just that shared libraries are not a linux-only thing
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20:18.05greycatanddam: what exactly are you seeing?
20:18.12jelly-homeanddam: that's all right then.
20:18.17jelly-home!available
20:18.17dpkgrun "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first then see above.  Alternatively: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available"
20:18.26CutMeOwnThroatonly I don't have the impression windows really handles dependencies on the dlls properly
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20:18.54themillCutMeOwnThroat: they tend not to be used much by developers though unless they are from the same project. Private copies of libraries are much more common.
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20:19.38anddamgreycat: dpkg -l shows
20:19.40anddampn  amule-adunanza    <none>            (no description available)
20:19.57CutMeOwnThroatunderstandable if there is nothing done to ensure that there are no conflicts
20:20.00greycatYou didn't type "dpkg -l" to get that.  You typed something else, possibly "dpkg -l amule\*"
20:20.08anddamoh right
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20:20.26greycat"dpkg -l PATTERN" shows you everything it knows about or ever knew about.
20:20.52anddamis there a way to flush its memory for the "ever knew about" part?
20:21.35jelly-homeanddam: that'd be cleaning up dpkg's "available" file
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20:21.49jelly-homebut it's really irrelevant
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20:22.02anddamjelly: as per !available, I just did and still have the pkg in dpkg -l output
20:22.13anddamjelly-home: indeed, it's just a curiosity of mien
20:22.15anddammine*
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20:24.38anddamlast question: I'm running a vncserver on this box, is there a way to connect an X session to the vncserver thus devoting one virtual screen to vnc and keeping the other for the standard X session?
20:25.08matt7676ok, so the wasted RAM in Windows environment thanks to parallel .dll files is a clear disadvantage. But isn't Windows architecture thanks to this a bit more reliable? I mean for example if this libsnack2 under Debian doesn't work, a lot of programs might not run. Under Windows most programs have theyr own .dll's and when one of those is broken, only this particular program has problems with working.
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20:25.14anddamthe point would be switching to vnc session using ctrl-alt-7 or so
20:25.15jelly-homeanddam: a local X session, available via console?
20:25.47greycatmatt7676: stable versions of Debian libs get a *lot* of testing since so many packages use them
20:25.58anddamjelly-home: is the X session still called a console?
20:26.13greycatmatt7676: yes, it can be (and is!) a problem if you're tracking unstable and some library breaks.
20:26.39jelly-homeanddam: if it's running on a virtual console, I'm calling it "running on console"
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20:27.04CutMeOwnThroatanddam, not 100% sure what you mean... but you can have several X-servers running ... and x11vnc can connect to an existing X-server
20:27.09anddamjelly-home: I have 4 virtual consoles with the login ttys, the fifth becomes the X session, I'd like to have the vnc server on sixth
20:27.52anddamCutMeOwnThroat: I'd basically just be able to see the vnc session by typing ctrl-alt-6 rather than having it in a window with xvncviewer
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20:28.00anddambasically like*
20:28.06jelly-homeanddam: you can have an X server and x11vnc started on it, providing access to that X session via (remote) vnc
20:28.10greycatanddam: you can run another X server on console 6, as display :1 or whatever you like
20:28.28CutMeOwnThroatanddam, so startx -- :1 would start X on the 6th virtual terminal and you could connect to it using x11vnc
20:28.46anddamgreycat: sounds reasonable
20:29.13jelly-homeCutMeOwnThroat: more correctly, x11vnc can be started in it and a vnc client can be used to connect to it
20:29.17anddamjelly-home: mm the vnc server is already running
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20:30.01anddamjelly-home: so I'm getting it correctly I'd like the opposite way, an X session that acts as vnc client
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20:30.15jelly-homeanddam: so you want to merely start an X session with a fullscreen vnc client automatically pointed to your running vnc
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20:31.00anddamjelly-home: yes and I'm able to do that, I was wondering if there was some Xorg-magic to do the trick and connect to vnc directly
20:31.47CutMeOwnThroathehe... my jeopardy comment still applies :-P
20:32.05jelly-homeanddam: to connect "directly" you need a vnc client.  X is not a vnc client. :-)
20:32.22anddammm right
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20:32.41dhblewis1how do i uninstall mysql ?
20:32.58CutMeOwnThroatdhblewis1, dpkg -r mysql\* should do it
20:33.00jelly-homeanddam: a nasty unaccelerated Xless way could be to run a framebuffer based vnc client
20:33.01greycatdhblewis1: apt-get remove mysql-common
20:33.15dhblewis1cheers
20:33.35anddamjelly-home: I can specify a xinitrc on startx line, right?
20:33.53anddamI think idesk doesn't behave nicely with multiple session
20:34.01jelly-homeanddam: I believe so yes but haven't done it in a while or ever.
20:34.31anddamme neither
20:34.33jelly-homeanddam: if [ "$DISPLAY" = ":1.0" ]; then; do stuff; done
20:34.59anddamI have connected a monitor to this debian box after like 6 years
20:35.01greycatjelly-home: s/done/fi/
20:35.20jelly-homefo fum.
20:35.22greycatthough I'm not sure where that code could go.
20:35.42jelly-homemeant .xinitrc or whatever it's called today
20:35.48jelly-home.xsessionstuffs?
20:35.56greycatok
20:36.16jelly-homecase would work nice with :1*)
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20:36.41greycatprobably more like   :1|:1.*)
20:37.06jelly-homeeugh, foo* doesn't include "foo"?
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20:37.19jelly-homeoh, matches :1\d
20:37.53greycatyeah, don't want to match :10
20:38.12jelly-homeI'll get you next time, greycat (and provide bugful ideas to customers!)
20:39.03anddamare bash PATTERN regex?
20:39.23jelly-homemay he who hath more than nine local X sessions runneth not this script
20:39.35greycatanddam: depends on which bash syntax feature you are using
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20:39.39greycatmost of them are globs
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20:44.38Janoshey there, is there any know bug about natting pptp tunnels with linux ?, using lenny as firewall and it doesn't work, i have ubuntu as pptp client behind the firewall and a cisco 3005 vpn concentrator as remote peer on the internet, anyone knows if this should work ?
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20:47.27debianNooB21hello all, i have iceweasel 2.0.0.18, i am try to get flashplayer to work.  i tried installing GPL Flash but that does not work.
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20:49.25anddamthanks a lot
20:49.26anddambye
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20:53.06sveakexhow difficult (or simple) is it to install kde3 on lenny?
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20:53.27CutMeOwnThroat!adobe flash
20:53.27dpkgAdobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release because Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291).  The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package for sid and backports.org users.  Ask me about <dmm> <non-free> <bpo> <flash64beta> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
20:53.29sveakexas i have understood isn't included in the default installation, like gnome can be
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20:54.18stewsveakex: "aptitude install kde"
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20:54.31sveakexstew: is that all?
20:54.46stewsveakex: yes.  you might also need an xserver, in which case "aptitude install kde xorg"
20:55.06CutMeOwnThroatwell, no, you ALSO have to fight a dragon to be able to cross a bridge that leads you there....
20:55.19stewsveakex: if you want more fine grained control over how much of kde is installed, see /msg dpkg install kde
20:55.21sveakexstew: well of course i need the X server, i have never used debian so i was only wondering how it would be to install kde
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20:58.10x4dhello, I'm trying to setup SSH and would like to know if I have correctly forwarded the ports in my router... if anyone could please test if "ssh -p 10022 testuser@90.162.103.51" and see what response it gives I would be grateful.
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20:59.36acuI am trying to make VLC broadcast from either a USB webcam or a firewire camcorder - however I do not know how to look for exact identity /dev/video does not work ...
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21:00.36CutMeOwnThroatx4d, there's things like this https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2  where you can specify the port
21:01.01acualso, if I want to install the latest version of VLC 0.92 I enabled sid for this purpose - however if I try to install VLC it forces the removal of KDE - how can I install VLC without removing the KDE ?
21:01.08CutMeOwnThroat(this is just the 1st one from google I picked)
21:01.28CutMeOwnThroatacu, sid has kde4
21:01.29x4dCutMeOwnThroat: thanks
21:01.31ultraj6why doesn't vlc work?
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21:02.52acuCutMeOwnThroat: thanks, I still want to keep my old KDE (I run lenny and I need the system somehow stable) - I know there is a way to install something and not uninstall
21:03.05CutMeOwnThroatacu, you shouldn't mix stable and unstable
21:03.22CutMeOwnThroatacu, /msg dpkg ssb
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21:03.41acuCutMeOwn: just temporarily once I install the VLC I will go back to lenny
21:03.58CutMeOwnThroatacu, that's exactly what you shouldn't do
21:04.13CutMeOwnThroatacu, also /msg dpkg bobbit
21:05.33jelly-homejudd: versions vlc
21:05.33juddjelly-home: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 squeeze: 0.9.8a-3 sid: 0.9.9a-2
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21:05.45stewacu: there isn't a easy way to downgrade to lenny after you start upgrading to sid
21:05.46acuultraJ6: I do not know how to direct it to firewire (I know the camcorder from the firewire works because KIno recognises it - and the webcam is recognized by Ekiga_ but I do not know where should I tell vlc to look for device - in Windows Vista - VLC works with firewire just fine
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21:07.05acucorrection Microsoft Vista not Windows
21:08.00acuthe backports for lenny do not have VLC
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21:09.08stewacu: you could try /msg dpkg ssb
21:09.25acuI know is not good to mix versions - and also for Ekiga - it was a true pain in the bu.. to make it work - the version in Lenny sucks big time - while the 3.01 kicks ass big time
21:10.08nan8acu: maybe http://www.videolan.org/doc/streaming-howto/en/ch11.html helps ?
21:10.12stewi fear that backporting vlc is going to be hard though, it has a very large number of dependencies
21:10.21jelly-homeacu: for optimal usage of stable, use what's in there and backport selected few packages that you absolutely need newer versions of
21:10.37stewjudd: build-dep vlc --release sid
21:10.38juddstew: vlc -- BuildDepends: debhelper (>= 7), dh-buildinfo, gettext, quilt, nasm, yasm [amd64 kfreebsd-amd64], iceape-dev (>= 1.1.9-4), liba52-0.7.4-dev, libaa1-dev, libarts1-dev (>= 1.4.2), libasound2-dev (>= 0.9.0beta10a) [!kfreebsd-i386 !kfreebsd-amd64 !hurd-i386], libass-dev (>= 0.9.5-2), libaudiofile-dev, libavahi-client-dev, libavcodec-dev (>= 0.cvs20060823), libavformat-dev (>= 0.cvs20060823), libcaca-dev (3 more messages)
21:10.44stewheh, 3 more messages
21:10.55jelly-homemost are optional though
21:11.09jelly-home... caca output? srsly
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21:12.10_Brandon_hi, anyone knows a software like scp/sftp that does integrity check too?
21:12.38jelly-home_Brandon_: integrity check?
21:13.06_Brandon_jelly: something like checking the md5sum of the file after the transfer
21:13.23jelly-home_Brandon_: does making a md5sum of files at both ends manually count?
21:13.45_Brandon_well yeah I guess I could make a little script for that :P
21:13.59_Brandon_but I was wondering if there was something already done
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21:14.35jelly-homeit makes little sense; a failed write should result in a failed transfer
21:15.27jelly-home_Brandon_: you can use rsync to copy a tree, and run it a second time with --checksum forced
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21:15.41_Brandon_jelly-home: thanks
21:16.23jelly-home_Brandon_: this won't verify what ended on disk is really what you wanted, though.  It could all be in cache on the destination.
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21:24.42acunow I understand the necesity of existence of Ubuntu - the reality is that Debian is a server OS - the Desktop side sucks big time :( - of course I am not winning - I am just wondering if there are ways to make something functional without spining a new distro
21:25.10dondelelcaroacu: it's fully functional as a desktop too
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21:25.53acudondelelcaro: indeed if you have 10 years of experience with it and have no other job except fidling with every small conceivable detail
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21:25.55jelly-homeFSVO fully
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21:27.22jelly-homeacu: it's not that bad, you can have a day job and spend a few hours fixing stuff after a bigger upgrade :->
21:27.30aculol
21:27.38sveakexdon't update :P
21:28.12jelly-homesveakex: that only works until your release becomes older-than-oldstable
21:28.45sveakexjelly-home: nobody is going to hack a desktop os
21:28.48sveakexcomputer*
21:28.53jelly-homeriight.
21:29.02sveakexthere is no value
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21:29.09dondelelcaroacu: you don't even need that much experience... but if you have specific questions or problems, they can be answered
21:29.31dondelelcaroacu: but unless you tell us what the problem is and/or file bugs about it, there's not much were going to be able to do to help you
21:29.33jelly-homedondelelcaro: srsly, "fully functional" is really really misleading
21:29.38dondelelcaro(and you might as well not say anything)
21:29.48dondelelcarojelly-home: it's fully functional for the use cases that I have
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21:30.20dondelelcaroit's been my desktop for the past 10 years or so...
21:30.21jelly-homemy 14yr Debian experience matches acu's tongue-in-cheek line
21:30.41acudondelelcaro: OK, here is the list of things I am trying to fix ...
21:30.45matt7676is there a difference between suggested and recommended package by aptitude?
21:30.52dondelelcaromatt7676: yes
21:31.03dondelelcaromatt7676: by default, suggested packages are not installed automatically, but recommended ones are
21:31.14matt7676dondelelcaro: allright, thanks!!
21:31.28dondelelcaromatt7676: recommended packages should be present in all but unusual installs, suggested packages just make the installed package better
21:31.29stewmatt7676: recommended is "you would probably expect this one to also be installed"  suggested is "you might also like this one, but you don't need it"
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21:33.49kurtisnelsonI am having issues automounting my external USB drive, I am wondering if there is a package that will make it work as nicely as in ubuntu
21:34.24acuDesktop: I want to broadcast using VLC from the FIrewire Camcorder (VLC does this nicely in Vista) - and /or from my Webcam - of course there is  a place where you have to enter video device /dev/video or /dev/raw1394 (which does not work) - also I do not know what kind of audio should I put - but how can I find exactly what should I put for the video device ? - I know firewire works because KINO sees the camcorder and can capture from it (well, until few minut
21:34.24acues since I screw the setup it seem)
21:36.09Circuitsoftacu: http://www.mygeekproject.com/?p=441
21:36.14acuServer: I installed (many years ago - few mail servers with Microsoft Exchange) - I am trying to do it with open source - Debian - Postfix - Cyrus IMAP Cyrus SASL Postgresql -   so far it is like you fall in love with a girl who would not look at you
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21:37.44jelly-homeacu: oh, for the servers it's beautiful since you can all the bits do _exactly_ what you want them to... but the courting can be longish
21:38.04jelly-homemake*
21:38.37acubut what I am trying to say is that the Desktop team for Debian (if there is such team) would be of real use if they consider few user feedbacks (as myself) - I mean - as a desktop user you want to see your printer, scanner, webcam, wifi, all hard disk mounted  - by default - I think this are pretty standard requirments for any Desktop OS
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21:39.11lindenleWhere do the pap username and password come from in ppp? i.e. what configuration file? I am trying to connect over grps and it keeps sending my host name as the user.
21:39.15acuJelly-home: indeed - but many relationships end up with shotguns being used :)
21:39.36stewacu: do you use gnome? kde?
21:40.00Circuitsoft!tell acu about debian-desktop
21:40.01acuI am using KDE
21:40.10Circuitsoft!tell acu about debian desktop
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21:40.36jelly-homeCircuitsoft: it's called "ubuntu"
21:40.38jelly-homehides
21:40.43stewacu: then you might want http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/
21:40.56stewacu: that would be the place where you could see where you can help make this better
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21:42.22Circuitsoftacu: One thing I dislike about Ubuntu is how much stuff is done magically. If I don't set it up myself, I can't fix it if it breaks.
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21:42.57CircuitsoftOn debian-x64, how can I generate an emul32-<something> package if <something> exists in apt?
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21:45.05pickcoderacu: the problem is necc Debian.. there are hardware vendors that still refuse to open up
21:45.10pickcoders/is/isn't
21:45.27acuCircuitsoft: you are a genius - life is a bell shape curve and you are at the edge - but greatest majority of people are average or bellow average - they need at least simplicity if magic cannot be - I understand why the Debian Desktop sucks - because there are no true Debian users - most people who use debian consider normal to go and find where the heck is their firewire camcorder and usb webcam - then go to the aplication and tell where they are and to turn
21:45.28acuthem own
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21:45.59pickcoderUVC cameras, for example, still have sucky support for Linux in  general
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21:46.36CircuitsoftThe biggest problem with uvc cameras seem to be variations on the spec.
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21:47.04pickcoderif you bought a brand new computer and  just want stuff to work then Linux probably isn't your platform of choice
21:47.08lindenleHow do i tell my pppd that it needs to be using chap?
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21:48.09lindenleThe server replied: '<auth chap MD5>' so why is ppd trying PAP?
21:48.21acuCircuit and pickcoder: what is most frustrating is that Ekiga can see the webcam and Kino can see the firewire - but how the heck I can make VLC see them - I tested VLC by broadcasting an avi file - (a movie called Fight Club :) )- but the webcam or camcorder are silent :(
21:48.43pickcoderacu: I don't do multimedia on Linux
21:48.51pickcoderI use other platforms for that
21:48.58stewacu: you are using an os that is being put together by volunteers.  if you think it sucks, you should volunteer to help
21:49.41pickcoderI spent a month and a half trying to get a capture card to work properly with a TV tuner app
21:49.49pickcoderafter that I said to hell with MM
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21:51.38acustew: you talk like from old good books -  I am at the verge of doing that - I am going to offer courses of how to install and use Debian to all high schools and university students in my area - and I bookmarked the desktop subproject group
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21:52.09jpinxis there a way to see what processes are using a specific device (usb stick)?
21:52.13jelly-homestew: or the volunteers shouldn't say the OS is anywhere near full functionality
21:52.18adama_jpinx: lsof
21:52.27stewjelly-home: WFM
21:52.35aculol
21:52.41jelly-homefails for him
21:52.52stewyeah, well i'm not going to scratch his itches for him
21:53.31jpinxadama_:  yea - thanks - now to grep that lot :)
21:53.52jelly-hometrue.  That is to say, things will work if you make them work yourself.
21:54.03adama_jpinx: better example:  lsof /media/disk
21:54.23jelly-home_Sometimes_ they work immediately, but don't make that an expectation.
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21:54.45adama_jpinx: or wherever your dealy is mounted
21:54.57jpinxacu: Linphone works with video calls:)
21:56.19maximi89_hi, who knows about badblock software?
21:56.28acuI am looking for a video conference solutions - plus a broadcasting option - I was thinking of VLC for broadcast and something based on mbone for conference - but man  this is like Beethoven love life - he loved only women who could not get :)
21:56.29jpinxadama_: cool - it does it's own grep-thing - thanks :)
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21:57.06jpinxacu: not sure what the specifics are, but linphone does work
21:57.41jelly-homeacu: oh, and for better results, investigate hardware that already works (well) on Linux before buying
21:57.52jpinxacu: I mean - I'm not sure what the specifics are of your requirements, but linphone does work with video an might configure to what you want
21:58.11CutMeOwnThroatacu, that's a typical desktop application?
21:58.36acujelly: you are right  - as I said all my hardware function well - just with different programs than I need or can do the job
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22:02.12dannyboy1121Hello folks .. just a quick question: initramfs-tools .. are they debian only?
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22:03.10stewdannyboy1121: you mean is initramfs-tools only used by debian?
22:03.28jelly-homedannyboy1121: technically no
22:03.57dannyboy1121yes .. i.e. I have a centos server and I'm used to using initramfs-tools from debian systems but it doesn't seem to be available
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22:04.29stewdannyboy1121: ask #centos
22:04.29jelly-homedannyboy1121: eh... mkinitrd, update-initramfs, what's the difference
22:04.33dannyboy1121mention of initramfs-tools in #centos drew a few blanks
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22:05.50jelly-homeit _is_ a native package, but I guess any distro could use it if they wanted to.  Debian-based distros are most likely to use it.
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22:06.35dhblewis1hi, wats the best way to get mysql5.1 on debian?
22:06.43dannyboy1121Jelly: I'm assuming I would have to compile it from source then?
22:07.03jelly-homedannyboy1121: right
22:07.53jelly-homedannyboy1121: what's wrong with the old mkinitrd thingy though?
22:08.12dannyboy1121Damn linux .. so addictive. Wife "I'm upstairs in the bedroome" Dan "Ok .. I'll be up in a minute - just compiling inintramfs-tools from source"
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22:09.06jelly-homedannyboy1121: don't expect it to work flawlessly on a never-tested OS.
22:09.17dannyboy1121jelly: I'm using it for PXE booted systems connetcing over NFS .. with initramfs-tools I could fiddle with the config file to include what I needed for netboot
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22:10.14dannyboy1121jelly: I can't find what i need for mkinitrd .. I need hand holding :0
22:10.36jelly-homedannyboy1121: well.  RHEL^H^H^H^HCentos probably has all that's needed for netboot, considering they have Jumpstart
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22:12.06dannyboy1121netboot in Centos is broken from what I can see
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22:12.16jelly-homeprocrastinate TODAY
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22:13.33dannyboy1121ok thanks
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22:18.38bronaughlibg2c0-dev: Depends: libg2c0 (= 1:3.4.6-5) but 1:3.4.6-9 is to be installed
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22:19.55bronaughtrying to install refblas3-dev, and failing because of that.
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22:21.28themillbronaugh: probably because refblas3-dev is only in etch and you are running lenny (or squeeze or sid)
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22:21.35bronaughsid.
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22:21.44bronaughso why's it only in etch?
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22:22.21dpkgDONE:#473436:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: refblas3 -- built with g77, replaced by refblas (); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:12:01 UTC [473444]
22:22.23themillbronaugh: ^^
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22:22.52mosgrahello peeps.  I'm trying to remove some last traces of a boot sequence which the usplash doesn't cover up, like "Restarting system" and some boot text which flashes on the screen
22:23.06mosgrawhich packages are responsible for this that I can look into customizing?
22:23.28mosgraI know it doesn't sound really important, but I'm eccentric  xD
22:24.00themilljudd: versions libblas-dev
22:24.00juddthemill: libblas-dev -- lenny: 1.2-2 sid: 1.2-2 squeeze: 1.2-2
22:24.03themillbronaugh: ^^
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22:24.20bronaughthemill: excellent, thank you very much.
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22:27.07faffihow would i delete all my environment variables?
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22:28.24adama_see man env
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22:35.31PhasedHow can I change my tree to (SID)-[unstable]
22:35.39PhasedAny Ideas ?
22:35.52azeem!iyhtays
22:35.52dpkgIf you have to ask, you shouldn't.
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22:38.26ZombieBoyHello guys. I am trying to determine if I am able to use all the RAM in my system. Is there a program or way to "just" eat RAM?
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22:38.47mosgraZombieBoy: malloc
22:38.49ZombieBoySomething like "dd" but for RAM o.O?
22:38.57azeemZombieBoy: check your ulimits I guess
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22:39.05ZombieBoyWell, I can always create a very small program in C.
22:39.07azeemif there's no limit, you can eat it
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22:39.21mosgraZombieBoy: yes, it would be very small
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22:39.28ZombieBoyThe thing is that my system has 8GB of RAM.
22:39.38ZombieBoyBut it seems that it is 32 bit.
22:40.04abrotmanZombieBoy: what does `uname -a` say ?
22:40.06ZombieBoyOne question related to linux. Does linux detect more thatn 3.2GB of RAM even in a 32 bit system?
22:40.17azeemZombieBoy: depends on the configuration
22:40.36bronaughif you've got PAE the answer is "yes, up to 64gb" but only 4gb per process.
22:40.37ZombieBoyLinux nitro1 2.6.9-023stab048.6-enterprise #1 SMP Mon Nov 17 19:09:18 MSK 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
22:40.44abrotmanthat's a RH kernel
22:40.45azeembronaugh: 4gb?
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22:40.47epsasyou have the bigmem kernel?
22:40.53epsasuhh
22:40.53kervanHi. Can any body help me please? I'm working to install "libcurl4-gnutls-dev" and this package depends  "libidn11-dev" and this package depends libidn11 (=1.8+20080606-1) but my systems version is 1.10-3... I wanted to remove libidn1 and reinstall, but near to all program depends this package. How can I update this package? at /etc/apt/source.list this packages URL is added.  Thanks for all helps.
22:40.58bronaughazeem: I could be wrong; never tested it.
22:41.04bronaughran screaming from 32-bit at first opportunity.
22:41.05abrotmanZombieBoy: is this a VPS?
22:41.08azeemwell, certainly 4GB is a hard limit
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22:41.19azeembut I thought it was way below in practise, dunno
22:41.19ZombieBoyabrotman: It is a VPS.
22:41.21bronaughazeem: yeah, I know, there's a kernel/userspace split.
22:41.28bronaughI think the real limit's like 3.5gb best case
22:41.59abrotmanZombieBoy: i'm not really sure you can do anything about that
22:42.02pickcoderit is ~3.5GB based on what I've seen, but not literally tested
22:42.09abrotmanit's 3.3GB IIRC
22:42.22pickcoderthough can you set shared memory higher than that
22:42.31ZombieBoyI will be pissed if I find out that they sold me a 32 bit hosting with 8GB of RAM...
22:42.31pickcoderdepending on your page settings
22:42.33pickcoder:)
22:42.41abrotmanZombieBoy: the 32bit isn't hte problem ..
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22:42.43bronaughhttp://lwn.net/Articles/39283/
22:42.44CutMeOwnThroatkervan, just do aptitude install libcurl4-gnutls-dev ... aptitude should fulfill all dpendencies for you
22:43.08bronaughso yeah, the actual limit with 4G/4G split is really 4 gigs.
22:43.11abrotmanZombieBoy: can you cahnge your underlying kernel without explosions ?
22:43.25ZombieBoyabrotman: No, I don't think I can...
22:43.44abrotmanZombieBoy: it would appear you have a 32bit distro
22:43.50ZombieBoyThat is why I want a little app that eats RAM just to see ho much it can eat.
22:44.25bronaughZombieBoy: printf("%i", sizeof(int*))
22:44.30bronaughif 4, 32-bit.
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22:45.15kervanCutMeOwnThroat: Thanks a lot, How I didn't think this? I was playing with synaptic.
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22:46.45ZombieBoybronaugh: It spits "4"...
22:46.46ZombieBoyDamn
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22:47.12bronaughsee if bigmem is enabled or 686-bigmem.
22:47.35ZombieBoyBut still, can a process use more than 3.something GB of RAM in Linux (I'm certain I know the answer, but you never know)?.
22:47.40retryi have a system with software raid 1 including /boot...debian installer chose lilo and I updated kernel today and now can't reboot
22:47.49bronaugh-definitely- not more than 4.
22:47.52bronaughlikely not more than 3
22:47.57bronaughand possibly not more than 2.
22:48.00ZombieBoybronaugh: How do I check for bigmem?
22:48.00bronaughdepends on user/kernel split.
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22:48.26bronaughzless /proc/config.gz
22:48.27retryLoading LinuxEBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage
22:48.28bronaughor equiv
22:48.46abrotmanbronaugh: it's not even a debian kernel
22:48.55retryhow do I restore the kernel ?
22:49.14bronaughabrotman: yeha.
22:49.18ZombieBoybronaugh: Sorry, yes, it is not a debian kernel.
22:49.23abrotmanbronaugh: so -bigmem doesn't apply
22:49.27ZombieBoyIt's a CentOS kernel...
22:49.37bronaughabrotman: yeah, that's why /proc/config.gz or equiv.
22:49.43abrotmani don't think RH did that
22:49.46bronaughso that one can check whether CONFIG_BIGMEM is set.
22:49.51ZombieBoyI don't think so either...
22:50.03abrotmanZombieBoy: does /proc/config.gz exist? how about /boot/config-`uname -r` ?
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22:50.32abrotmanand it's HIGHMEM
22:50.33bronaugh/boot/config-2.6.9-67.0.22.EL
22:50.35bronaughor equiv.
22:50.40ZombieBoyabrotman: nothing to be found...
22:50.44bronaughand yeah, you're right. just went trawling.
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22:50.56ZombieBoy/boot/ is almost empty.
22:50.56abrotmanZombieBoy: no config at all ?
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22:51.18ZombieBoyNot even a kernel. The filesystem is: vzfs
22:51.26ZombieBoyI mean, no kernel file.
22:51.33abrotmanZombieBoy: do you have a /proc/meminfo ?
22:51.37ZombieBoyYes
22:51.42CutMeOwnThroatit's a Debian system with a redhat kernel?
22:51.47abrotmanCutMeOwnThroat: VPS
22:51.52ZombieBoyCorrect
22:51.59abrotmanZombieBoy: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
22:52.00CutMeOwnThroatabrotman, that doesn't answer anything
22:52.12abrotmanthat will!
22:52.19CutMeOwnThroatwell, then I don't understand it
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22:52.33s14ckis away: Estoy ocupado
22:52.35themillCutMeOwnThroat: if it's a Xen VPS then you can have the kernel of the underlying machine with $DISTRO userspace
22:52.49themills14ck: please turn that off in #debian
22:52.49abrotman!tell s14ck about away
22:52.55ZombieBoyabrotman: Sorry, don't have dpkg...
22:53.01ZombieBoyThis is not a debian system...
22:53.05abrotmanZombieBoy: it's not even debian .. have a nice day!
22:53.07ZombieBoyJust a linux system...
22:53.28ZombieBoyI know, but I came here because I like the people in here and my questions were linux generic.
22:53.34CutMeOwnThroatthemill, never used xen... with xen all virtual systems share the same system files? (or /bin /usr/bin)?
22:53.35abrotmanthat's what ##linux is for
22:53.58ZombieBoyI know, but I repeat, I like hanging out in here ;)
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22:54.11abrotmannot our problem .. go ask the channel for your distro or ##linux
22:54.12CutMeOwnThroatZombieBoy, you can... you just can't ask questions about RH
22:54.34themillCutMeOwnThroat: nope. It's a virtual disk image just as you would want for a virtual machine. it's only the kernel that is shared
22:54.36CutMeOwnThroathanging is allowed
22:54.46ZombieBoyCutMeOwnThroat: That is the thing, I was not asking questions about RH... They were more of a linux generic thing...
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22:55.03abrotmanZombieBoy: and that's what ##linux is for .. please do not continue being off-topic
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22:55.35ZombieBoyabrotman: So rude. (heading to ##linux)
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22:55.42abrotmanthank you!
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22:56.52ZombieBoyDebian related: Which applications are in the repos for secure deleting files?
22:56.55CutMeOwnThroat. o O ( also we just demonstrated again that it's not true... no dpkg to show versions, no -bigmem kernels etc. etc. asking shoe questions about apples)
22:57.11abrotmanZombieBoy: shred supposedly
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22:58.04ZombieBoyNow, I've read that shred does not "work that well" with ext3. Do you have any experience with that filesystem?
22:58.12abrotmani don't use shred ..
22:58.37ZombieBoyOr anyone?
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22:59.33themillthis is documented in man shred
22:59.58ZombieBoyI've read the man, but I wanted to know if someone had any experience with it.
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23:00.25TrampZombieBoy: it works perfectly unless you journal data (which nobody does).
23:00.40bronaugheh, why wouldn't it if journalling data?
23:00.48bronaughyou'll just shred the journal too.
23:01.04ZombieBoyI don't think I journal, just the meta-data though.
23:01.19bronaughoh, gotcha. nm.
23:01.30ZombieBoybronaugh: I had the exact same question.
23:01.34bronaughbecause repeated writes might not be fed out to disk immediately, resulting in shred not actually shredding much.
23:01.44Trampbronaugh: because all the overwriting would not happen on disk (although one overwriting is enough today and that would finally happen)
23:01.55bronaughTramp: yeah, that's what I was thinking.
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23:01.57infomomohey guys i asked in #ubuntu but they did not know. Does anyone know where the list for the Software Sources is stored? http://i41.tinypic.com/s3pwtj.png --> I want to add a country specific repo
23:02.10bronaughbut -- you -could- still use shred, just need to throw a sync in there.
23:02.11ZombieBoyBut couldn't a simple sync help?
23:02.21abrotmaninfomomo: you should ask #ubuntu about their repositories
23:02.22bronaughshred does repeated writes.
23:02.25bronaughso you'd need to mod shred.
23:02.36infomomoabrotman: it is debian specific question
23:02.42Trampbronaugh: but it's really theoretical, because all this shredding was necessary in the nineties. Today one overwriting is sufficient and this will finally happen, when the changes are committed to disk
23:03.05abrotmaninfomomo: in which application?
23:03.10abrotmanand why would you care?
23:03.34tarzeau!popcon
23:03.34dpkgi heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank).  Install the popularity-contest package to participate.  See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/
23:03.40themillinfomomo: the debian answer is to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
23:03.59abrotmaninfomomo: those aren't even debian sources .. why are you trying to pretend they are?
23:04.06infomomothemill: no, the file is here: /usr/share/update-manager/mirrors.cfg
23:04.21infomomohave a look guys ! stop trying to be so quick to answer
23:04.36abrotmani did look .. it's not a Debian question
23:04.39infomomoabrotman: it was debian specific!
23:04.40Kvantinfomomo, that's ubuntu-specific, no?
23:04.51infomomoKvant: no, debian offers that service as well
23:04.53tarzeau!eat infomomo
23:04.53dpkgeats infomomo, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* and catches Mad Cow Disease
23:04.57abrotmanhow is the question of ubuntu mirrors, debian specific ?
23:05.34ZombieBoyabrotman: Because it's the "debian way".
23:05.36ZombieBoyI guess.
23:05.40abrotmanno it's not
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23:06.14abrotmantakes a show of hands to see how many people use Ubuntu mirrors on their Debian installation as "The Debian Way"
23:06.34infomomo:S:S
23:06.42ZombieBoyI've done the reverse :)
23:06.51tarzeauinfomomo: you want to convert your ubuntu into a debian?
23:06.56abrotmanZombieBoy: equally as bad
23:07.01abrotmantarzeau: that's not what he's asking
23:07.03ZombieBoyI know, it was fun fun :)
23:07.11ZombieBoyfor fun*
23:07.20infomomotarzeau: forget it bro
23:07.35ootputbut debian mirrors are so purdy
23:07.42tarzeauootput: purdy? which one?
23:08.12ZombieBoyYou guys have to remember that Linux can also be fun sometimes :)
23:08.22cel_lol!
23:08.23ZombieBoyDon't you remember how it was to install Potatoe?
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23:08.27tarzeauZombieBoy: and gnu/hurd and gnu/kfreebsd too
23:08.31agaranZombieBoy: yes cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio
23:08.35tarzeau!potatoe
23:08.35dpkgIT'S POTATO DAMMIT!! P-O-T-A-T-O!!, or please learn to spell better than Dan Quayle
23:08.37ZombieBoyI sure had fun with that installation and a IBM RS6000
23:08.40ZombieBoyjajajaja
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23:08.42ZombieBoylol
23:08.56tarzeau!pl
23:08.56dpkgpolska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
23:09.15tarzeauno polska people in here? #debian.pl is empty
23:09.25CutMeOwnThroatare you quoting random factoids now?
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23:09.28abrotmantarzeau: OFTC i believe
23:09.34tarzeauabrotman: thanks
23:09.35ootputjaja strictly polish?
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23:09.56abrotmantarzeau: nope .. maybe wrong
23:09.57tarzeauabrotman: nope :(
23:10.11abrotmantarzeau: maybe agaran knows where to find some ?
23:10.13agaranabrotman: a bit wrong, for certain bit values ;)
23:10.43agarantarzeau: tried #debian.pl or #debian-pl on ircnet?
23:10.52tarzeauagaran: nope, let me try that
23:11.19tarzeauagaran: Cannot join to channel #debian.pl (You must be invited)
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23:11.37comradekinguIs this true? "if you're running a debian system, make sure you have a bigmem kernel installed, like this one, or memory above (somewhat less than) 1GB will be ignored." http://jessewolfe.blogspot.com/2009/01/debian-linux-bigmem-gives-you-highmem.html
23:12.06tarzeaucomradekingu: how much memory do you have? and which arch?
23:12.13abrotmancomradekingu: not anymore
23:12.18agarantarzeau: interesting, so i don't have any more advices, sorry
23:12.32hoohaahcomradekingu: that guide is outdated
23:12.33comradekingutarzeau: 2GB 32bit atom
23:13.13themillcomradekingu: a -686 kernel is enough. That guy must have had a -486 kernel installed
23:13.21comradekinguhoohaah: How outdated, im going to install testing
23:13.28abrotmanuh ?
23:13.33abrotmanwhat does testing have to do with it ?
23:13.34hoohaahalso, why do you need su rights to access dmesg
23:13.41abrotmanyou don't
23:13.48hoohaahjes is misinformed
23:14.16comradekinguabrotman: I have to select a kernel, i figured 2.6.26-2 would be the best, but i was unsure about how bigmem applies
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23:14.25jpinxcomradekingu: it's best to install stable for your arch and then upgrade if you really must
23:14.35abrotmancomradekingu: you don't really need -bigmem unless you have 4GB
23:14.43abrotman4GB or more
23:14.51themillcomradekingu: linux-image-2.6.26-686 will do just fine for you.
23:15.00abrotmani'd use linux-image-686 myself
23:15.03comradekingujpinx: How so? Squeeze has better support for some things, so i went with that from the getgo
23:15.09jpinxhoohaah: beacuse root writes dmesg
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23:15.24abrotmanjpinx: no .. you don't need su/sudo to read dmesg
23:15.32abrotmancomradekingu: it has the same kernel currently as lenny ..
23:15.47abrotmanactually ..lenny has bpo which has a .29 .. squeeze doesn't even have that
23:15.47themillabrotman: I keep forgetting about that.... too used to using bpo kernels on laptops.
23:15.50jpinxcomradekingu: it's recommended if you don't know about things like bigmem ;)
23:16.07abrotmanthemill: i thought there was a metapackage for bpo too, no?
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23:16.34tarzeauno 64bit amd64 linux users here?
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23:17.25jpinxabrotman: heh - you're right - I've always done dmesg as root - never thought otherwise;)
23:17.30comradekinguWell i originally went with unstable, but the installer stopped twice on 24% getting all the packets, so i figured give testing a go. Using the eee usb netinst installer
23:17.53comradekinguIt got all the packets, but to 24% installing them
23:18.11tarzeau!nickmeter CutMeOwnThroat
23:18.11dpkgCutMeOwnThroat is 100% lame with a cherry on top!
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23:18.20jpinxcomradekingu: I repeat - install stable and go up - not install sid and work down - that doesn't work
23:18.21comradekinguIs the swap space needed?
23:18.30tarzeaucomradekingu: no
23:18.47hoohaahfor laptop, you can swap to file
23:18.52hoohaahrather than partition
23:18.59comradekingujpinx: I intended not to go down
23:19.04CutMeOwnThroateh!
23:19.07jpinxhoohaah: I've been running without swap for ages now
23:19.25abrotmancomradekingu: that depends on the purpose of the machine
23:19.27comradekinguAny extra requirements needed for not running with swap?
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23:19.50abrotmancomradekingu: if you run out of RAM .. things will start dying
23:19.54hoohaahenough mem, i suppose
23:20.02jpinxcomradekingu: run llots of RAM
23:20.02tarzeaucomradekingu: install some software with memory leaks, and run it as long as you can
23:20.03abrotmanor rather .. get killed
23:20.04themillcomradekingu: if you want to suspend to disk, you need swap
23:20.04CutMeOwnThroat!nickmeter tarzeau
23:20.04dpkgtarzeau is 100% lame with a cherry on top!
23:20.14tarzeau!nickometer CutMeOwnThroat
23:20.15dpkg'CutMeOwnThroat' is 14.000% lame, tarzeau
23:20.29abrotmancomradekingu: so yes, you may need swap
23:20.31comradekinguabrotman: I have this device I want to work, a native instruments audio kontrol 1, its supposed to work on debian, since a long time ago
23:20.32CutMeOwnThroat!lameometer cutmeownthroat
23:20.33jpinxthemill: you can suspend to a temporary swapfile ;)
23:20.34dpkg'cutmeownthroat' is 0.000% lame, cutmeownthroat
23:20.35themillsends CutMeOwnThroat and tarzeau into #debian-bots to play
23:20.35tarzeaureally there's a fun description with airline company comparison about linux oom handling on lkml
23:20.45abrotmanstop screwing with the bot
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23:20.59abrotmantarzeau: air france flight?
23:21.02hoohaahanalogy, you mean
23:21.06comradekinguthemill: I dont hibernate or anything, set up the boot booster instead
23:21.08themilljpinx: true... that's a fairly recent development though
23:21.09tarzeauabrotman: no, not related to the accident
23:21.17abrotmancomradekingu: it's about how you use the machine
23:21.17tarzeauabrotman: you haven't read it ever, it's years old
23:21.33abrotmantarzeau: probably not .. unless it was in Brown's summaries
23:21.41abrotmankerneltraffic
23:21.42tarzeauabrotman: like processes are passengers. and if the seats are full, and another passenger comes in, a random one is thrown out
23:21.48jpinxcomradekingu: it totally depends on what the machine will be doing
23:22.06abrotmantarzeau: right .. so you shouldn't just say "No, you don't need swap" because that's not always accurate
23:22.17jpinxtarzeau: I don't think it's random - I think it's oldest out
23:22.19tarzeauabrotman: i was referring to "need"
23:22.28tarzeauit's not a must
23:22.38abrotmantarzeau: you didn't find out enough to know if it was a need or not
23:22.54tarzeaujpinx: no it's not
23:23.09comradekingujpinx: The software in testing is too old for my taste, i can do with a bit of hassle for the premium
23:23.25abrotmanjpinx: it's not completely random .. but it's not as easy as that
23:23.33tarzeaucomradekingu: do you use gnome?
23:23.34jpinxI run OOo, browser, video player and gimp all without swap  in 2GBs RAM
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23:23.57tarzeaujpinx: you don't do highresolution photos then, like 10000x10000 pixels RGB mode
23:24.07tarzeaujpinx: you easily can get over 2gb with hugin/gimp
23:24.10comradekingutarzeau: Just openbox if i can get things to work, but first gnome with the gnome window manager
23:24.12tarzeaujpinx: well i do...
23:24.21jpinxabrotman: yea - it's not a clear cut "oldest out" but it's not entirely random either
23:24.28abrotmani just said that ...
23:24.31tarzeaucomradekingu: i really felt like sending you to #ubuntu a moment ago
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23:25.10jpinxcomradekingu: from your comments I can only repeat that you should install stable and learn and work up
23:25.26comradekingutarzeau: Oh please dont, the config files were all different
23:25.32jpinxuses stable with backports
23:25.50tarzeaustable at work, sid/experimental elsewhere
23:26.23jpinxhas a couple of very broken OS's to chroot into and experiment on
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23:26.45comradekinguok, thanks for the help
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23:27.22jpinxcomradekingu: you never did define what your amchine would be doing
23:27.32jpinx*machine
23:28.12jpinxcomradekingu: so the help is limited to generalisations
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23:29.42jduhow does the debian installer create the devices files in /dev  ?
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23:30.11abrotmanudev
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23:32.49jduabrotman: to what extent does this happen during the installation or on the next boot?  Part of the question: will copying one system to another including /dev cause problems?
23:33.32abrotmanit's not needed .. the udev should automagically create /dev/ the next time it boots
23:34.47jduso I can skip /dev in the copy? because I was getting errors during the copy that file permissions could not be preserved. Nonetheless, the resulting system booted fine.
23:35.10abrotmanyou wouldn't want /dev/ or /proc/ copying a drive
23:35.14abrotmanamong a few other things ..
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23:36.11jdusure I recreated menu.lst, fstab,   what are other things other than /sys in the 'few other things' category?
23:36.35abrotmanprobably don't want /tmp/ either
23:37.01CutMeOwnThroatcan udev create *all* devices?
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23:37.49abrotmanas opposed to ?
23:38.27jduCutMeOwnThroat: that's part of the question.  Some internet sites say it can't.
23:38.49TrueDDGood night all
23:39.13hoohaahdoes uswsusp's s2disk require a swap _file_ as opposed to a partition?
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23:40.36CutMeOwnThroaton the other hand I don't think copying /dev/ with tar should be a problem
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23:41.25CutMeOwnThroatjdu, guess you can just try both... what do you use to copy
23:41.26themillhoohaah: s2disk can use either
23:41.27jduIt was with cp -a that I got some errors but just with parts of /dev
23:41.39jducp -a
23:41.57CutMeOwnThroat... and as root
23:41.59Phasedjdu are you root ?
23:42.04jduas root, yes
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23:42.18CutMeOwnThroatI dunno, I never used co -a... tar went fine, rsync probably also works
23:42.29abrotmanyou still don't need /dev/
23:42.48CutMeOwnThroattar -psl
23:42.48hoohaahuswsusp does not generate a config file during installation, right?
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23:44.00ootputhoohaah: use dpkg-reconfigure uswsusp
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23:45.28CutMeOwnThroatwell, tar --one-file-system -pscf - / | (cd /new/disk && tar -xvf - ) or somesuch
23:45.31hoohaahokay. i'm doing it now
23:45.46hoohaahis 45% of system mem the correct default for size of swap?
23:45.59hoohaaher, suspend image size
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23:46.06jduCutMeOwnThroat: thanks
23:46.20CutMeOwnThroatdid tar change? I'm pretty sure there was a one-letter option for that --one-file-system stuff
23:46.37CutMeOwnThroatjdu, check "man tar" for things I may have forgotten
23:46.39jduprobably -x
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23:46.50CutMeOwnThroatno, x is eXtract
23:46.51dondelelcaroit's -x in find; -x is already something else in tar
23:46.53jduno that would be extract
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23:47.11CutMeOwnThroatI thought it was -l up there, but that's also something else
23:47.35jduI don't think there's a letter option.
23:48.02jdufor that, I mean
23:48.18dondelelcaro(err, -xdev in find)
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23:48.24CutMeOwnThroatjdu, and you can do -C /new/dir  instead of that (cd /new/dir && tar) stuff now with gnu tar
23:48.49CutMeOwnThroatno, but I thought there was one couple of years ago
23:49.08dondelelcarocp -ax / -t /new/disk; or similar should work
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23:50.18hoohaahhow do i label swap partiion?
23:50.26hoohaahfor purposes of etc/fstab
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23:51.04ootputmkswap -L
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23:53.02jduwould tar run faster across hard disks?
23:53.04CutMeOwnThroatjdu, heh, found what I did around 2002 to clone over the network: http://pastebin.com/f7e7945cd
23:53.06jdutan cp
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23:53.25hoohaahis it possible to resize non-active partitions (swap and ext3) during a linux session?
23:53.26jdus/tan/than/
23:53.33hoohaahswapoff'd
23:53.46zandFFS
23:54.00hoohaahthe partitions are adjacent on disk
23:54.06CutMeOwnThroathoohaah, try gparted
23:54.27CutMeOwnThroatfrom all I know: "yes", but I never needed to use it
23:54.38hoohaahCutMeOwnThroat: anything without gnome dependencies?
23:54.50CutMeOwnThroatgnome?
23:55.04memnong'parted ;)
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23:55.19hell_hey
23:55.34CutMeOwnThroatlooks around for any gnomes but doesn't see any.... it's all gremlins or nothing
23:55.35hell_is there a way to convert mp4 to mp3 for debian not ubuntu
23:55.47hoohaah'nothing'
23:55.56jduCutMeOwnThroat: thanks, haven't yet used netcat
23:56.00hell_nothing you said to me :D
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23:57.12CutMeOwnThroatjdu, cloning over network increases clone time quite a bit, I think... but saves some fiddeling with the hd-swapping
23:57.39hell_is there a way to convert mp4 to mp3 for debian not ubuntu
23:58.13CutMeOwnThroathell_, "lame"?
23:58.14jduCutMeOwnThroat: the script I have so far is designed to clone as to as many disks as can physically be plugged in at a time.
23:58.34hell_lame
23:58.42ranixhell_: you might find lame in the multimedia repository
23:58.58ranixhell_: if it doesn't show up in apt-cache search
23:59.01hell_yeah i installed lame
23:59.09ranixk
23:59.17CutMeOwnThroathell_, /msg dpkg dmm
23:59.25hell_how can i convert mp4 to mp3 with lame
23:59.37hell_<PROTECTED>
23:59.39jduffmpeg is probably the best bet
23:59.42hell_sorry

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