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| 00:00.11 | nsadmin | b^2d^4o^6? |
| 00:00.17 | bododo | thanks abrotman ! I know of xdm, and slim (well kdm too, but kdm is out o competition) |
| 00:01.15 | bododo | nsadmin: like I still have 5 gallons of neurons to parse your diffrential equation ;) |
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| 00:01.58 | bododo | who's using ratpoison? I think I'm in love! :) |
| 00:02.36 | llimeht | My estimate is that I see the dm greeter for about 0.0002% of the time. Who cares at that level? |
| 00:02.36 | abrotman | bododo: there were a few more |
| 00:02.42 | bronaugh | bododo: I've used it. |
| 00:02.54 | bronaugh | worked well for me. |
| 00:02.57 | memnon | used it until 3 weeks ago, I am now testing stumpwm |
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| 00:03.07 | memnon | its basically the same ;) |
| 00:03.21 | bododo | abrotman: ok, looking :) thanks again! |
| 00:03.41 | bronaugh | memnon: ah, nice. |
| 00:03.44 | bronaugh | written in lisp. |
| 00:03.48 | bododo | memnon: isn't stumpwm the "continuation" (in lisp) of ratposion? |
| 00:03.59 | memnon | bododo: yup |
| 00:04.00 | sparr | llimeht: short of gentoo, if any distro can do what I want, it's debian |
| 00:04.09 | bododo | bronaugh: you switched to something else? |
| 00:04.18 | bronaugh | bododo: yeah, I run KDE. |
| 00:04.27 | bronaugh | it's not quite as efficient. |
| 00:04.39 | bododo | bronaugh: lots of graphiocal work? |
| 00:04.53 | bronaugh | more that I don't want people to be constantly confused when they see my computer. |
| 00:04.57 | bododo | the only hickup is gimp |
| 00:05.03 | bronaugh | gimp is a problem. |
| 00:05.12 | bododo | gimp is "the" problem |
| 00:05.12 | bronaugh | my solution for that was Xnest + fluxbox |
| 00:05.37 | memnon | bronaugh: Who cares what "other" people think? |
| 00:05.38 | bododo | well, yes that's a solution. I, for one, put in a group and split vertically |
| 00:05.45 | bododo | memnon: +1 |
| 00:06.00 | bronaugh | when they're trying to use your comp, and you use dvorak, it gets interesting pretty fast. |
| 00:06.10 | bronaugh | "what, I can't use the mouse *OR* the keyboard?" |
| 00:06.14 | memnon | bronaugh: Sure, if this the case very often |
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| 00:06.17 | bododo | :D |
| 00:06.29 | memnon | bronaugh: I am the only one using *my* little laptop |
| 00:06.36 | bododo | this is *my* machine, my woman! get your hands off |
| 00:06.37 | bronaugh | yeah, when I was using a laptop it was less of an issue. |
| 00:06.46 | memnon | bronaugh: Or the get one firefox window, thats it ;) |
| 00:06.47 | bronaugh | yeah, my woman don't like the ratpoison. |
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| 00:07.04 | bododo | bronaugh: so she likes rats? |
| 00:07.12 | bododo | that'd be a special woman ;) |
| 00:07.16 | bronaugh | nope, but doesn't like the poison either. |
| 00:07.32 | memnon | Hey, on my thinkpad, the trackpoint is brilliant. |
| 00:07.38 | bododo | romeo and juliet like it... |
| 00:07.42 | memnon | Its right on homerow |
| 00:07.43 | memnon | :) |
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| 00:09.55 | memnon | Just one thing sucks: Who needs such a large space bar? Larger ctrl and |
| 00:09.55 | memnon | alt (and more to the center) would be great. But they all do it wrong ;) |
| 00:10.09 | Hoxzer | Dude. |
| 00:10.20 | Hoxzer | Space bar is like... :/ |
| 00:10.24 | Hoxzer | how would I explain this. |
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| 00:10.46 | Hoxzer | you see you use it "next to" a random key |
| 00:10.52 | Hoxzer | so it kinda needs to be everywhere. |
| 00:10.58 | bododo | Hoxzer: go frankly, express yourself! :) |
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| 00:12.24 | memnon | Yes, space is importan, but I would have no problem if the cut of 1/3 of |
| 00:12.24 | memnon | it and placed alt and ctrl more to the center. |
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| 00:13.07 | memnon | I would love to test those kinesis keyboards ;) I only saw pictures :( |
| 00:13.41 | Polarina | memnon: Kinesis keyboard are old technology. |
| 00:14.11 | bododo | and compiz... oh well :) |
| 00:14.20 | memnon | Polarina: I just think it looks interesting. |
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| 00:14.32 | Polarina | memnon: You are probably using one right now, just like everyone else. |
| 00:14.34 | memnon | Its amazing they all have exactly the same design. |
| 00:14.55 | memnon | Polarina: ? |
| 00:15.09 | Polarina | memnon: Did you mean telekinesis? |
| 00:15.39 | memnon | Polarina: No, I meant one of those: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinesis_(keyboard) |
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| 00:16.11 | Polarina | memnon: What the hell for? |
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| 00:17.15 | memnon | Polarina: I think pressing ALT is possibly the most uncomfortable thing |
| 00:17.15 | memnon | around: I use it using my curled pinky: This is not nice. I would love |
| 00:17.15 | memnon | to use my thumb... |
| 00:18.02 | Polarina | memnon: No, seriously, answer the question: what the hell for? |
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| 00:18.45 | memnon | Polarina: I use emacs, ALT is an important key ;) |
| 00:19.20 | Polarina | memnon: And what the hell for do you use emacs? |
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| 00:20.01 | memnon | Polarina: Fun?! And I like to use the keyboard. |
| 00:20.15 | bododo | vi |
| 00:20.22 | bododo | vi(m) |
| 00:20.31 | Polarina | kills bododo. |
| 00:20.37 | bododo | :) |
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| 00:20.55 | memnon | used vim before, both are great, but I like emacs |
| 00:20.57 | bododo | vim rules, really. no flamewar, but it simply rules |
| 00:21.14 | bododo | I used both too, but vim roks :) |
| 00:21.21 | Polarina | bododo: Yes, vim rules the world of failed software. |
| 00:21.36 | bododo | Polarina: my software aren't that "fail" |
| 00:21.52 | bododo | I code with vim every single day of my life |
| 00:21.53 | bronaugh | I use both vim and emacs for different tasks. |
| 00:21.55 | Polarina | bododo: You didn't make vim, it is not yours. |
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| 00:22.15 | bronaugh | actual small-changes-to-config-files type tasks, I prefer vim. writing code, prefer emacs. |
| 00:22.30 | bododo | Polarina: well, sorry, but I could have |
| 00:22.41 | memnon | bronaugh: If its due to startup time, theres emacs-client. Starts up as |
| 00:22.41 | memnon | fast as vim ;) |
| 00:22.53 | bododo | Polarina: it helps me do what I like so I like it |
| 00:23.17 | bododo | it's a win for me. That's it :) - we're just *different* and difference is a rich |
| 00:23.18 | Polarina | I use nano. |
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| 00:23.43 | memnon | Polarina: If it works for you, yay ;) |
| 00:23.50 | bododo | +1 memnon |
| 00:23.58 | bododo | that's what I wanted to say |
| 00:24.10 | bododo | vim works greatly for me. |
| 00:24.21 | Polarina | memnon: No, it does not work for me until everyone uses it. |
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| 00:24.29 | bododo | you like nano? emacs? good for you |
| 00:24.44 | Polarina | memnon: I just use it, it doesn't work. |
| 00:24.46 | bododo | Polarina: hum... |
| 00:24.50 | bronaugh | memnon: nah, it's actually keys. |
| 00:24.59 | bronaugh | I prefer, for some reason, to use vim keys for editing small files. |
| 00:25.01 | bronaugh | go fig. |
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| 00:25.40 | bododo | I really do almost everything in vim. code, tex, todo... |
| 00:25.56 | memnon | Emacs has great documentation, for *everything*. I am just lazy ;) |
| 00:25.58 | bronaugh | I know a lot of people who used to write code in vim or other editors. |
| 00:26.07 | bododo | all my test editing is with vim. I don't understand what would be "bad" in it |
| 00:26.08 | bronaugh | then they saw me write code in emacs. |
| 00:26.13 | bronaugh | then they realized that they were inefficient. |
| 00:26.24 | bododo | bronaugh: how? |
| 00:26.28 | mosno | memnon: except for pre-freetype fonts :) |
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| 00:26.35 | bronaugh | because I'm a lot quicker than most people ever are in vim, in emacs. |
| 00:26.36 | adb | hey -> #debian-offtopic |
| 00:26.37 | bododo | what special use do you do? |
| 00:26.37 | memnon | I am no coder, but I do lots of thing in plain text |
| 00:26.41 | bronaugh | I don't think I -could- be as quick in vim. |
| 00:26.59 | bododo | bronaugh: I tried both and I'm quicker in vim |
| 00:27.01 | bronaugh | emacs is simply more efficient when you start dealing with large codebases / a lot of code than vim. |
| 00:27.07 | bododo | our brains are different that's it |
| 00:27.13 | bronaugh | which did you start with? |
| 00:27.27 | bododo | emacs |
| 00:27.42 | bododo | and then switched to vim some 5 months after |
| 00:27.44 | memnon | vim is dead fast ;) |
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| 00:27.45 | Polarina | Why do you care if you do things faster or not? What matters, will it work? |
| 00:27.53 | dkr | emacs is a great os, all it needs is an editor |
| 00:28.08 | memnon | But I have to think sometimes, so it does not matter that much to me and |
| 00:28.09 | memnon | my tasks ;) |
| 00:28.10 | bododo | Polarina: by fast I mean do one task effectively in less time |
| 00:28.28 | Polarina | Time, time. Time is relative. |
| 00:28.29 | nsadmin | Polarina: you don't want your train of thought interrupted |
| 00:28.38 | bododo | the way I search, regex, replace, move in my text, that's fast |
| 00:28.38 | bronaugh | plus, well, emacs keys have invaded most GNU utilities : |
| 00:28.40 | bronaugh | :) |
| 00:28.56 | bronaugh | eg C-a and C-e |
| 00:28.57 | memnon | not aptitude :( |
| 00:29.05 | memnon | I often try C-s |
| 00:29.06 | bronaugh | C-k |
| 00:29.08 | memnon | but its / |
| 00:29.11 | memnon | ;) |
| 00:29.13 | bronaugh | heh. |
| 00:29.20 | bronaugh | yeah, utilities really -should- grab C-s |
| 00:29.22 | bronaugh | C-s is satan. |
| 00:29.30 | bronaugh | xon/xoff control characters need to die a bloody death. |
| 00:29.40 | nsadmin | memnon: file a wishlist bug... which will "bug" the maints aboutg it |
| 00:29.44 | Polarina | bronaugh: The imperial units need to die a horrible death. |
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| 00:29.51 | bronaugh | Polarina: hell yes. |
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| 00:30.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | another one bites the dust |
| 00:30.25 | bododo | well, and vim is not alone, the joy is completed with awk, sed and find |
| 00:30.38 | bronaugh | awk and sed suck. |
| 00:30.40 | memnon | nsadmin: mhhh. Do you think he cares? I mean / is not that difficult |
| 00:30.41 | bododo | that's to say that we're talking about one single side |
| 00:30.44 | bronaugh | perl is a better replacement for both of them. |
| 00:30.51 | bododo | bronaugh: depends |
| 00:30.55 | bronaugh | I have seen atrocities comitted with those utilities. |
| 00:31.00 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 00:31.07 | nsadmin | memnon: you'd never know until you try |
| 00:31.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | long ago stopped answering to anything like XXX and YYY suck |
| 00:31.54 | memnon | This is no flamewar ;) |
| 00:32.04 | bronaugh | meh. |
| 00:32.06 | adb | but ot! |
| 00:32.06 | abrotman | yeah, it kind of is ..and it's rather pointless |
| 00:32.07 | bododo | we're all discussing in peace :) |
| 00:32.10 | bododo | don't we? |
| 00:32.15 | memnon | nsadmin: Well, freeze for lenny is over, so a wishlist bug might not hurt ... |
| 00:32.16 | bododo | hide his knife |
| 00:32.18 | bronaugh | give peas a chance |
| 00:32.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, they give me wind |
| 00:32.40 | bronaugh | but, but, don't you enjoy sailing? |
| 00:32.43 | memnon | OT, okay. |
| 00:32.47 | nsadmin | they give you wings? |
| 00:32.55 | bododo | somewhere beyong the sea |
| 00:32.59 | nsadmin | peas is also starchy |
| 00:33.29 | bododo | all in all, I have one thing to say. John Coltrane rules! |
| 00:33.44 | nsadmin | Trane |
| 00:33.45 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
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| 00:43.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw. are there any vector-based video codecs? Like... for making videos from svg with moving parts (it's not really svgs but you get the idea) |
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| 00:57.52 | Shadowkllr | ok, i'm not sure if this is a vbox question or a debian question - i'm trying to setup a vbox of debian as a sandbox server for my web development projects, i want it to have a static ip address. my networking scheme is 10.0.1.xxx and i've set it up as a bridged connection, and i have the code that i've throw .... |
| 00:58.11 | Shadowkllr | nevermind, i've....figured it out, myself...hmm weird |
| 00:58.17 | Shadowkllr | all i had to do was restart the box... |
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| 01:03.11 | ttuttle | Thanks for disabling Ctrl-Alt-Bkspc. Very helpful. |
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| 01:06.12 | jdu | in a copy operation with cp -a I got "cp: cannot stat `/home/user/.gvfs': Permission denied" Obviously, I don't really need to be copying .gvfs, right? What is it about .gvfs that permission would be denied to root and would using cp -ax instead of cp -a solve the problem? |
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| 01:10.25 | koopsta | can i use this .deb on lenny? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bacula/bacula-fd_3.0.1-2_i386.deb |
| 01:10.48 | stew | judd: versions bacula-fd |
| 01:10.48 | judd | stew: bacula-fd -- etch: 1.38.11-8 etch-backports: 2.4.4-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.4.4-1 sid: 2.4.4-1 squeeze: 2.4.4-1 experimental: 3.0.1-2 |
| 01:11.08 | stew | koopsta: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 01:11.21 | stew | judd: depends bacula-fd |
| 01:11.21 | judd | stew: bacula-fd -- Depends: bacula-common (= 2.4.4-1), libacl1 (>= 2.2.11-1), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~), python2.5 (>= 2.5), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) |
| 01:11.27 | stew | judd: depends bacula-fd --release experimental |
| 01:11.28 | judd | stew: bacula-fd -- Depends: bacula-common (= 3.0.1-2), libacl1 (>= 2.2.11-1), libattr1 (>= 2.4.41-1), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~), python2.5 (>= 2.5), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) |
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| 01:12.31 | stew | I don't know whether to take the fact that it depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) as encouraging or scary becuase of the implied age of the build |
| 01:14.33 | edwin_quijada | I put another disk to my lenny and now I dont know Lenny can recognize this disk |
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| 01:16.43 | abrotman | stew: you mean besides that the one in sid depends on a newer libc? |
| 01:16.53 | abrotman | !maint bacula-fd |
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| 01:17.13 | stew | abrotman: the one in STABLE depends on a newer libc |
| 01:17.31 | abrotman | stew: at least it says >= ? :) |
| 01:17.39 | stew | they all do |
| 01:17.44 | stew | info libc6 --release etch |
| 01:17.45 | dpkg | bacula-fd: John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> |
| 01:17.49 | careta | i have installed and ran ntpdate. in gnome, the time is correct, but according to tomcat, my system time is one hour behind |
| 01:17.50 | stew | judd: info libc6 --release etch |
| 01:17.51 | judd | stew: libc6 (libs): is required; Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1; Size: 4633.6k; Installed: 10904k -- GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 01:17.54 | careta | how can i fix this? |
| 01:18.14 | stew | so it depends on libc6 from before etch was released |
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| 01:18.17 | abrotman | careta: which timezone are you in ? |
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| 01:18.29 | careta | GMT |
| 01:18.42 | abrotman | and tomcat is using UTC ? |
| 01:19.01 | careta | abrotman, i don't know |
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| 01:19.24 | abrotman | are they always the same (i can't remember) |
| 01:19.32 | abrotman | stew: wait .. shouldn't you not be here ? |
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| 01:20.49 | stew | uhh |
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| 01:21.03 | careta | this is quite annoying, i am deploying a web service dependant on correct system time |
| 01:21.25 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:21.35 | stew | how about now? |
| 01:21.40 | abrotman | hides from stew |
| 01:22.06 | abrotman | careta: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS |
| 01:22.21 | careta | UTC=no |
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| 01:23.36 | careta | this has been going for a few weeks now |
| 01:24.01 | careta | yesterday i installed windows, and the time in gnome jumped one hour ahead |
| 01:24.10 | careta | but the time in tomcat stayed the same |
| 01:24.22 | abrotman | so windows messed up your time? |
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| 01:24.45 | careta | so before installed ntpdate i was 2 hours ahead in tomcat |
| 01:24.54 | careta | now just 1, as before installing windows |
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| 01:27.57 | stew | abrotman: anyway, we haven't even turned it on yet. wifey has too much work |
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| 01:28.22 | abrotman | stew: oh .. i won't spoil it then |
| 01:28.44 | abrotman | stew: you're going wednesday? |
| 01:29.14 | flourish | hello. Before i setup a shared icalendar with mod_dav of apache2, and these days it always warning that: CAL_UTF8_DECODING_FAILED. google it and get the result: Error while decoding an (ics) file from UTF8 . I wonder how does the decoding work? |
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| 01:31.47 | stew | abrotman: that was enough to get her to turn it on |
| 01:32.30 | stew | flourish: i'd guess it means that there is an illegal utf8 sequence |
| 01:32.38 | stew | flourish: as if it is encoded in some other encoding |
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| 01:33.32 | flourish | stew: i have checked it with vim: set fileencoding, it gives utf8 |
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| 01:35.30 | stew | flourish: even though it would mess up the utf8 that might be in there, you might try using iconv to do a latin1->utf8 encoding to see if the error goes away |
| 01:36.22 | flourish | stew: btw. if i want to check the encoding line by line, how can i do |
| 01:36.24 | flourish | ? |
| 01:37.17 | stew | flourish: i guess if you go the other way, like utf8->latin1 (or something similar) iconv would tell you if there is an illegal sequence |
| 01:38.03 | flourish | stew: thanks, i will try it |
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| 01:39.08 | \amethyst | stew: problem is it will give you the same error if it *is* utf-8 but contains a character outside latin1 |
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| 01:39.41 | stew | right |
| 01:39.47 | stew | still something to try |
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| 01:39.54 | \amethyst | would be nice if it distinguished between the two |
| 01:40.00 | stew | oh it doesn't? |
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| 01:40.07 | stew | there is always hexdump :) |
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| 01:44.42 | stuNNed | hi guys, what do i need to install if using gnome and want to use a kde app inside of gnome? libqt or something? |
| 01:44.51 | daishadar | j |
| 01:46.28 | abrotman | stuNNed: just install the kde app .. it will pull what it needs |
| 01:46.34 | abrotman | (didn't we tell you this yesterday?) |
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| 01:47.38 | \amethyst | stuNNed: just install the app's package and it will pull in all the dependencies |
| 01:47.50 | comradekingu | kdub "dpkg --remove" ? |
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| 01:50.26 | stuNNed | abrotman, \amethyst thanks |
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| 01:50.46 | k-man | i built a package using apt-get -b source but i needed to change some things in the control file. how do i rebuild it and increment the version number? |
| 01:51.27 | abrotman | !source |
| 01:51.28 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. As root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. As any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
| 01:51.42 | stuNNed | actually it's just the fonts are funky in kde apps when running gnome |
| 01:51.47 | stuNNed | any way to fix that? |
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| 01:54.45 | G-Farkas | Hi, A little configuration problem here, I tried to replace bash with dash in Lenny. I installed dash and did "dpkg-reconfigure dash". But when I see the process table I CANT see "dash" but still see "bash". What can I do? |
| 01:56.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | is dpkg-reconfigure dash a valid config option? |
| 01:56.23 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: have you started any #! /bin/sh scripts since then |
| 01:56.24 | abrotman | G-Farkas: what would you want the -reconfigure to do? |
| 01:56.36 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: it doesn't restart existing scripts if that's what you're asking |
| 01:56.59 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: ls -l /bin/sh to see if it worked |
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| 01:57.03 | MegafEee | FLOOD MODE ON |
| 01:57.05 | G-Farkas | Kamping_Kaiser: when i tipe it apears a menu saying some things and asking if i can change bash with dash |
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| 01:57.28 | abrotman | MegafEee: use paste.debian.net |
| 01:57.32 | G-Farkas | abrotman: i want change bash with dash |
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| 01:57.44 | abrotman | G-Farkas: see what \amethyst said |
| 01:57.47 | G-Farkas | \amethyst: Ill try now |
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| 01:57.56 | G-Farkas | abrotman: yes sr!!! |
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| 01:58.53 | G-Farkas | \amethyst, abrotman, it says "dash" :D |
| 01:58.54 | stuNNed | abrotman: any ideas how to fix the font problem kde apps in gnome? |
| 01:59.16 | abrotman | stuNNed: not personally |
| 01:59.26 | abrotman | stuNNed: which kde app are you trying to use? |
| 01:59.52 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: then any future #! /bin/bash scripts will run with dash |
| 02:00.00 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: #! /bin/bash scripts will still use bash, of course |
| 02:00.02 | abrotman | /bin/sh i think you mean ? |
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| 02:00.06 | \amethyst | oops |
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| 02:00.21 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: any future #! /bin/sh scripts will run with dash, #! /bin/bash with bash |
| 02:00.22 | stuNNed | abrotman: debian package search |
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| 02:00.39 | abrotman | stuNNed: i have no idea what that is |
| 02:00.44 | stuNNed | abrotman: also tried fwbuilder and lastfm, the fonts are all messed up |
| 02:00.45 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: most users will still have /bin/bash as their login shell though |
| 02:01.06 | stuNNed | abrotman: packagesearch.sf.net |
| 02:01.14 | abrotman | stuNNed: lastfm looks fine for me |
| 02:01.15 | G-Farkas | \amethyst: \amethyst tanx!, and why apears "bash" instead "dash" when I watch in "htop" ? |
| 02:01.34 | stuNNed | dangit! :D |
| 02:01.41 | abrotman | stuNNed: moment |
| 02:01.52 | stuNNed | thnx |
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| 02:02.09 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: because they were already running |
| 02:02.31 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: changing the link affects *future* executions of #! /bin/sh scripts, not existing ones |
| 02:02.47 | abrotman | stuNNed: nope .. not a clue .. mine looks just fine (or i don't know what bad fonts look like) |
| 02:02.59 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: also, your user shell is probably still /bin/bash, so your interactive shells are still going to be bash |
| 02:03.06 | G-Farkas | \amethyst: but I reboot mmm ¿rebooted? |
| 02:03.06 | abrotman | stuNNed: the only Qt apps i've installed that i knwo of are lastfm and rosegarden |
| 02:03.14 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: oh |
| 02:03.22 | stuNNed | abrotman: know where i can post a screenshot? |
| 02:03.30 | abrotman | stuNNed: picpaste.net IIRC |
| 02:03.36 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: those are probably either your interactive shells, or #! /bin/bash scripts |
| 02:03.47 | G-Farkas | \amethyst: good! and how can I change my interactive shells? |
| 02:03.50 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: chsh |
| 02:04.10 | stew | abrotman: i bet i could come up with more qt apps |
| 02:04.13 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: but keep in mind that dash doesn't have command-line editing or tab-completion |
| 02:04.17 | stew | abrotman: that you've installed |
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| 02:04.30 | abrotman | stew: opera? but it's static |
| 02:04.38 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: it's mostly intended for scripts, not interactive use |
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| 02:04.44 | G-Farkas | \amethyst: that means in spanish? |
| 02:05.03 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: you know how you can press <up> to go the last command? |
| 02:05.09 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: or <tab> to finish a filename? |
| 02:05.13 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: you can't do that in dash |
| 02:05.35 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: arrow keys will insert ^[[A etc |
| 02:05.38 | abrotman | stew: oh .. stellarium apparently too |
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| 02:05.52 | stew | abrotman: khelpcenter? qjackctl? |
| 02:05.59 | G-Farkas | \amethyst: !!!!!!!!!!!! I didnt know!!! I ever writed all the name!!! even with my nvidia drivers :S |
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| 02:06.28 | abrotman | stew: yes, no |
| 02:06.46 | funyun | i cut a bunch of scenes out from a few movies and named them "Scene1.avi" "Scene2.avi" and so on. i want to use 'rename' to change them to look like "Name_of_Movie_Scene1.avi". how do i do this? |
| 02:06.48 | G-Farkas | \amethyst: mmm it is common that arrow keys make me that |
| 02:06.54 | G-Farkas | ill try ^^ |
| 02:07.00 | abrotman | funyun: rename |
| 02:07.20 | funyun | abrotman: yes, i know. but i can't figure out what command to use |
| 02:07.22 | stew | funyun: rename 's/^/Name_of_Movie_/' *avi |
| 02:07.29 | \amethyst | funyun: for x in *.avi; do mv "$x" "Name_of_Movie$x"; done |
| 02:07.29 | abrotman | see how easy that was! |
| 02:07.36 | \amethyst | or what stew said |
| 02:07.42 | G-Farkas | \amethyst: /bin/dash right? |
| 02:07.59 | \amethyst | G-Farkas: with chsh? yes |
| 02:08.09 | G-Farkas | \amethyst: yes ^^ |
| 02:10.56 | funyun | stew, \amethyst: thank you |
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| 02:31.04 | cuba33ci | Hi,If I prepare PXE and ongoin install |
| 02:31.33 | cuba33ci | but I use ADSL(PPPoe) to connect to internet |
| 02:32.05 | cuba33ci | so how can I get the base system to install? |
| 02:32.18 | cuba33ci | can I put cd image into TFTP server? |
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| 02:34.19 | ic56 | cuba33ci: I think a CD image on a TFTP server will work |
| 02:34.33 | cuba33ci | thanks,I will try :) |
| 02:35.21 | ic56 | cuba33ci: are you still here? |
| 02:36.19 | cuba33ci | ya,what? |
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| 02:36.31 | ic56 | cuba33ci: actually, I was wrong. Let me be more specific: |
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| 02:37.50 | ic56 | cuba33ci: what you need is a copy of boot image (kernel + RAM disk) on the TFTP server. downloading a CD ISO image and mounting it through loopback device can accomplish that. But if you are new to Linux, it will be easier to just get the bootable image and place that directly in your TFTP server's directory. |
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| 02:39.12 | cuba33ci | ya,the latter way u mention is just what recorded on the debian install guide |
| 02:39.28 | cuba33ci | but that jsut boot image |
| 02:39.35 | cuba33ci | what about others? |
| 02:39.46 | cuba33ci | like base sysytem? |
| 02:40.18 | cuba33ci | I dont have internet connecttion |
| 02:40.33 | cuba33ci | because netboot does not support PPPOE |
| 02:40.53 | ic56 | cuba33ci: the boot image is capable of doing a network install -- directly from the Debian archives on the 'net. |
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| 02:41.18 | ic56 | cuba33ci: catching up with your recent posts... |
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| 02:42.33 | ic56 | cuba33ci: so, you have a DSL modem connected directly to your computer, with an ethernet cable? |
| 02:42.50 | cuba33ci | yes |
| 02:43.05 | cuba33ci | It is not supported by debian installeer |
| 02:43.39 | cuba33ci | I mean |
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| 02:43.46 | cuba33ci | not supported by netboot |
| 02:43.47 | ic56 | cuba33ci: have you been able to connect to the Internet with that modem by using with some other OS? |
| 02:44.09 | cuba33ci | sure |
| 02:44.34 | ic56 | cuba33ci: What OS? Did you have to install drivers to make it work? |
| 02:44.58 | cuba33ci | ic56,windows,debian,slackware,freebsd all work |
| 02:45.30 | cuba33ci | It jsut need PPPoE |
| 02:46.56 | ic56 | cuba33ci: PPPoE does not necessarily go all the way to your computer. It may be terminated at the modem, in which case your computer would be configured as being on an ordinary ethernet. |
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| 02:47.32 | itrebal | Is there a way to flush DNS records for a particular domain? (or all of them, I don't care - I just need one domain's to be flushed) |
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| 02:49.11 | cuba33ci | the OSes I mentioned all have been on net via ppoe and my ADSL modem |
| 02:49.21 | cuba33ci | actually VXDL modem |
| 02:49.24 | r0tu | Can anyone here help me in starting a small community |
| 02:49.25 | ic56 | cuba33ci: anyway, assuming you've looked into that, and found that it wasn't an option, then you will, indeed, need to download a CD image and mount it. But, I think, what you will need is an image of a repository. Which takes us beyond my expertise. |
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| 02:51.04 | ic56 | r0tu: several people on #ubuntu-ca, myself included, invited you to say more about what kind of community you wanted. Apparently you left before seeing their comments. This channel is not an appropriate forum. Please return to #ubuntu-ca and tell us more there. |
| 02:51.53 | abrotman | buys an island to start a community |
| 02:52.33 | abrotman | cuba33ci: the netinst has pppoe on it |
| 02:52.34 | pickcoder | cuba33ci: your modem isn't capable of establishing a PPPoE connection by itself? |
| 02:52.39 | abrotman | so does CD1 |
| 02:52.40 | ic56 | itrebal: from where do you want to flush the DNS records? Your own proxying DNS server? an ISP's server? a particular process in your computer? |
| 02:53.00 | itrebal | ic56: I got it; thanks though |
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| 02:53.32 | micols | ic56: why not just set up NAT on the diskless server? |
| 02:53.42 | micols | thats what im using, masquerading for my clients |
| 02:53.59 | micols | that way they can all use ordinary interfaces |
| 02:55.04 | ic56 | micols: you are right. Though NAT wouldn't be necessary. Simple routing would suffice. |
| 02:56.13 | ic56 | micols: my mistake NAT would be necessary -- he's likely getting a single IP address from his ISP. |
| 02:56.41 | micols | oh, i referenced the wrong nick sorry, i ment cuba33ci |
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| 02:58.27 | ic56 | cuba33ci: micols has the right idea. If you are not permitted to configure the modem to terminate the PPPoE conversation, getting your TFTP box to also do NAT would solve your bootstrapping problem. |
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| 02:59.00 | jigp | hello guys is this stable debian ? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-501-i386-kde-CD-1.iso? |
| 02:59.15 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:59.34 | jigp | abrotman : thanks. that is a lenny? |
| 02:59.36 | micols | yep just with kde instead of gnome, but 5.0.x is stable |
| 02:59.50 | abrotman | jigp:yes |
| 02:59.51 | jigp | micols gnome lenny stable? |
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| 03:00.12 | jigp | micols : i dont see 5.0 here stable http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 03:00.15 | micols | jigp: you can fetch with gnome instead if you want, its just the desktop environment |
| 03:00.24 | micols | jigp: 5.0 is lenny |
| 03:00.32 | micols | which is current stable |
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| 03:01.13 | pickcoder | 5.0.1 is current stable |
| 03:01.18 | micols | i would just fetch the debian-501-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 03:01.28 | jigp | micols : im currently using ubuntu gnome 9.04. i cant takee this. always hanged.i reformat and reinstall several times.no luck. |
| 03:01.58 | micols | jigp: debian lenny is more stable, and has no compiz by default etc. |
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| 03:02.39 | jigp | micols : this one? this is lenny? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-501-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 03:02.52 | micols | yes 501 is current lenny release |
| 03:03.03 | jigp | stable micols? |
| 03:03.18 | jigp | this is my first time to install debian |
| 03:03.34 | micols | jigp: i guess you should read at least debian.org front page then ;) |
| 03:03.34 | ic56 | jigp: every Debian release that begins with 5. is a lenny release. |
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| 03:03.51 | jigp | not sure if yahoo messenger with voice and video conference will work in debian |
| 03:03.51 | micols | jigp: it says exactly what is stable and more. |
| 03:03.55 | jigp | to communicate |
| 03:04.07 | micols | jigp: gaim does most protocols |
| 03:04.08 | ic56 | jigp: sorry. I meant: 5.0 |
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| 03:04.40 | jigp | micols : with video chat and voice chat? |
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| 03:05.07 | jigp | micols : pldt weroam will also work? |
| 03:05.11 | micols | jigp: no guarantees, check the project homepage |
| 03:05.40 | jigp | im downloading it now 4hours and 48 minutes http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-501-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 03:06.08 | abrotman | jigp: jebus .. just use the netinst ... |
| 03:06.16 | micols | hehe ETA 56secs here |
| 03:06.19 | micols | 11,4MB/s :p |
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| 03:08.08 | micols | jigp: netinstall is better |
| 03:08.35 | micols | jigp: that way you can actually get the installer going , and go to sleep while it fetches the programs you need :) |
| 03:08.54 | micols | might take 5+hours to get it all installed on such a slow link |
| 03:09.30 | r0tu | Can anyone here help me in starting a small community, I just need direction, #ubuntu-ca thinks I should take more initiative, but I just need some direction on ways to hold begging meetings. |
| 03:09.46 | micols | r0tu: no quit asking |
| 03:09.47 | r0tu | begging = beggining |
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| 03:10.36 | r0tu | micols join #ubuntu-ca you are alike |
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| 03:12.06 | jigp | r0tu : ca is canada? |
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| 03:12.14 | r0tu | jigp yes |
| 03:12.37 | r0tu | jigp I have 20+ and growing willing to join up, I just want to make sure I start it off right to keep it going |
| 03:12.59 | micols | r0tu: then stop advertising else i suspect it will get a bad start |
| 03:13.18 | jigp | r0tu : no problem |
| 03:13.24 | r0tu | micols Not really talking to you unless you want to provide something constructive |
| 03:14.03 | micols | sigh |
| 03:14.06 | ic56 | r0tu: you are off topic in this channel. |
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| 03:19.43 | jelly-home | Not that there's _any_ topical action at present. |
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| 03:25.52 | r0tu | Can anyone here help me in starting a small in person community, I just need direction, #ubuntu-ca thinks I should take more initiative, but I just need some direction on ways to hold begging meetings. |
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| 03:28.08 | r0tu | Can anyone here help me in starting a small in person community, I just need direction, I just need some direction on ways to hold begginning meetings. |
| 03:28.18 | jigp | micols : 6hours again and 2 min utes . 2% hehehe |
| 03:28.31 | jigp | what a slow download |
| 03:29.13 | micols | jigp: guess im close to the hosting center, im in copenhagen :) |
| 03:29.28 | micols | 56 seconds i can live with that, also i usually fetch the netinstall |
| 03:29.33 | jigp | micols : lucky |
| 03:29.36 | micols | or debootstrap, that takes <1minute |
| 03:29.45 | micols | but more time to unpack often. |
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| 03:30.08 | jigp | micols i prefer downloading it because i am not 24/7 |
| 03:30.21 | jigp | its not my net |
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| 03:31.04 | r0tu | arrg... well that was a waste of time... I just thought with all this "linux is a community" talk... someone here would know something to give a little direction. |
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| 03:31.33 | r0tu | thanks anyway guys... don't get me wrong, I have appreciated help here before.. my above is literal. |
| 03:31.39 | r0tu | not sarcastic. |
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| 03:32.19 | shivraj | how can I burn a .iso file of audio cd ripped with sound juicer ? |
| 03:32.28 | shivraj | it generates .iso and .toc file. thanks |
| 03:33.18 | r0tu | shivraj k3b burns images nicely. |
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| 03:33.42 | micols | jigp: i often went to the roof of my old highschool in the middle of the night to leech |
| 03:34.07 | micols | jigp: there was a 4mbit wifispot |
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| 03:35.07 | shivraj | r0tu: no thanks, can I do this with wodim , should be a simple command line |
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| 03:57.07 | enouf | man wodim ; man genisoimage ; man cdrdao (IIRC) |
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| 03:58.35 | enouf | cdda2wav also .. though all those are renamed; wodim/cdrecord ; genisoimage/mkisofs ; cdrdao/something ; cdda2wav/something |
| 03:59.07 | peterS | shivraj: that's confusing, naming the data of an audio cd ".iso" is quite nonstandard (that usually means a data CD), so it's not at all clear what format of file that thing actually is |
| 03:59.26 | enouf | peterS: good catch ... |
| 04:00.02 | enouf | wtf kind of ripper generates an ISO (+ whatever) from an audiocd? |
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| 04:00.18 | enouf | i've heard of bin/cue .. |
| 04:00.35 | peterS | well you can name any file anything you want, but iso has such a widely recognized meaning.. |
| 04:01.12 | enouf | peterS: well, ofcourse, but we're not talking 8.3 extension filenames, are we? |
| 04:01.44 | peterS | I'm not (: I never talk about 8.3 filenames |
| 04:01.47 | enouf | peterS: "image" has a much more loosely related terminology, to me |
| 04:01.54 | enouf | heh |
| 04:02.20 | enouf | shivraj: what does isoinfo -i filename.iso say? |
| 04:02.37 | peterS | ah good question. or 'file filename.iso' |
| 04:03.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | he fell asleep |
| 04:03.07 | enouf | (i think it's the -i option -- if burned, use -d dev=/dev/cdrom instead) |
| 04:03.19 | shivraj | enouf: too late I already deleted all the .iso files |
| 04:03.25 | enouf | haha |
| 04:03.57 | enouf | i mean, i understand the toc thing when ripping .. but an iso? |
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| 04:04.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | toc-toc... who is it... iso... iso what? |
| 04:04.53 | enouf | table of contents |
| 04:04.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | iso-chrome... |
| 04:05.04 | shivraj | yeah I know, I never did this before ... but that confused me, |
| 04:05.11 | peterS | ISO want TOCut your own throat |
| 04:05.18 | shivraj | how do you burn Audio CDs ? |
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| 04:05.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterS, I suspected this joke would have that effect :) |
| 04:05.50 | peterS | shivraj: I normally just use 'wodim -dao *.wav' - given a pile of .wav files sorted in the correct order |
| 04:06.36 | peterS | shivraj: (like if the wav files are 01_foo.wav 02_bar.wav etc., *.wav will be the correct order) |
| 04:08.48 | shivraj | peterS: is there a command to extract the individual tracks ? |
| 04:09.27 | peterS | shivraj: I use 'cdparanoia -Bvz 1-' - others use cdda2wav. the 1- means track 1 through the end |
| 04:09.31 | jelly-home | shivraj: are you trying to copy an audio cd? Where does the source data come from? |
| 04:09.55 | peterS | shivraj: though really I use 'abcde' which is a script that runs cdparanoia, oggenc, and all that stuff |
| 04:10.25 | Megaf | hi, with witch user does Debian runs Apache? httpd? |
| 04:10.49 | shivraj | jelly-home: yes, but I only have one drive |
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| 04:11.12 | peterS | Megaf: www-data, though you can change it in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf or one of those files in that directory |
| 04:11.14 | enouf | shivraj: so, rip, then burn .. just stop ripping funnily |
| 04:11.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Megaf, www-data |
| 04:11.33 | Megaf | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 04:11.35 | RaymondX | apache runs on root probably |
| 04:11.49 | peterS | well it runs as root but then downgrades itself to www-data after binding port 80 |
| 04:11.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | RaymondX, that as well... |
| 04:11.59 | jelly-home | shivraj: use cdrdao. |
| 04:12.07 | ic56 | Megaf: on my lenny5 it runs as httpd. Perhaps another admin changed it but my guess is that this is vanilla. |
| 04:12.16 | jelly-home | shivraj: (or any wrapper for it, I guess) |
| 04:12.31 | RaymondX | you can acces your webserver even if you havent login |
| 04:12.32 | peterS | jelly-home: how to extract the original CD? we've been talking about cdparanoia, but how do you get a dao image? |
| 04:12.33 | enouf | shivraj: wav files are untouched 1411kb/sec .. yes, large, but unadulterated |
| 04:12.41 | jelly-home | peterS: "use cdrdao" |
| 04:12.42 | RaymondX | *logged in |
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| 04:12.53 | Megaf | ic56, RaymondX, CutMeOwnThroat answered that already, www-data is the user |
| 04:12.57 | peterS | ahh, cdrdao both reads and writes? |
| 04:12.58 | enouf | cdda2wav also works |
| 04:13.04 | jelly-home | peterS: yes. |
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| 04:13.21 | enouf | but aren't those both renamed? |
| 04:13.24 | jelly-home | peterS: and copies. |
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| 04:14.01 | enouf | feels left out |
| 04:14.08 | peterS | enouf: cdda2wav is now icedax, right, but cdrdao isn't from The Joerg Who Will Not Be Named so nobody has renamed it |
| 04:14.26 | enouf | i honestly haven't messed with all of these apps in a long time though |
| 04:14.27 | jelly-home | enouf: try addressing people. ;-) |
| 04:14.51 | RaymondX | Megaf: really ? i can login using www-data as a user? |
| 04:15.01 | enouf | peterS: ok, icedax - righto |
| 04:15.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | "dear jelly-home, how are you..." |
| 04:15.04 | xshadowfire | http://www.xshadowfire.net/bootchart.png <- anyone want to help me here <.< |
| 04:15.27 | xshadowfire | I'm pretty sure 8 minute boot is preeeeeetty wtfisgoingonhere |
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| 04:15.53 | enouf | peterS: can you tell me if 'cdrkit' will ever be a 'suite' of all those? i mean, apt-cache search for cdrkit turns up nothing, last i recall |
| 04:16.19 | enouf | jelly-home: hello people |
| 04:16.38 | peterS | enouf: actually what I've suggested is splitting genisoimage out of the rest of them, as it is the one truly useful component that we don't have better alternatives for (: and it is pure GPL since it wasn't originally written by The Joerg |
| 04:16.39 | pickcoder | soilent green |
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| 04:17.08 | enouf | peterS: fine with me -- just _some_ type of order! ;-) |
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| 04:17.26 | enouf | pickcoder: i'm not that hungry ... yet :-p |
| 04:18.10 | enouf | pickcoder: funny how the original 1st Matrix movie eluded to that somewhat |
| 04:18.31 | mactimes | Hello. Could someone, please, let me know what's the more stable and reliable version control server I can install on etch? |
| 04:18.32 | pickcoder | flush & recycle |
| 04:18.46 | enouf | we do it with (domesticated and farm) animals already |
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| 04:19.30 | koshari | apt-get update error, replies Could not connect to 127.0.0.1:1618? why is it looking at localhost? |
| 04:19.32 | peterS | mactimes: 'version control' is too generic. people have _strong_ preferences about exactly which one(s) they want. whichever one your people want, you should use. |
| 04:20.03 | peterS | koshari: maybe a 'http_proxy' environment variable? |
| 04:20.10 | Megaf | CutMeOwnThroat, how to reconfigure my network? |
| 04:20.24 | koshari | peterS you know where thats set off hand? |
| 04:20.27 | shivraj | haha .. this is nice, both cores on my amdx2 3800+ are running at over 40 C, thanks to that nice widget |
| 04:20.33 | Megaf | CutMeOwnThroat, id like to not to use dhcp |
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| 04:20.38 | peterS | koshari: well, first type 'echo $http_proxy' to see if it's set at all |
| 04:20.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Megaf, in what sense... |
| 04:20.44 | mactimes | peterS: Hum. Thanks, but I have never really used one, it's difficult to choose one when you know beans about it. |
| 04:21.11 | peterS | koshari: if so, look in /etc/environment and /etc/profile |
| 04:21.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Megaf, just uninstall your dhcp client then, edit /etc/network*/interfaces and set up static addresses (man interfaces) |
| 04:21.17 | Megaf | CutMeOwnThroat, are there a commando like dpkg something to reconfigure the network? IP address |
| 04:21.17 | koshari | echo $http_proxy returns nothing |
| 04:21.42 | enouf | peterS: have you seen DeVeDe from dmm and the author .. and .. well nm .. it all gets quite complicated -- i really like an respect the dvd+rw-tools author/maintainer .. it's just .. i've grown sick of all optical media (due to all the quirks, etc).. sadly |
| 04:21.56 | enouf | s/an/and/ |
| 04:22.06 | \amethyst | mactimes: you should at least learn the difference between a centralized and decentralized VCS and decide which kind you want |
| 04:22.15 | Megaf | command* |
| 04:22.18 | mactimes | peterS: I was wondering, can you tell me which are the most widely known and used and some main differences between them? |
| 04:22.19 | peterS | mactimes: subversion is well known (thus you can get help a lot of places) and pretty nonthreatening to use, and has a free o'reilly book about it. it is much less sophisticated than bzr, git, darcs, etc., so many people prefer those. in order of popularity, probably: svn, git, bzr |
| 04:22.23 | enouf | peterS: not to mention the crap hardware being shoved onto the masses |
| 04:22.29 | ic56 | mactimes: is this just for yourself? Will you be using it for your own small files or for importing and modifying free software? |
| 04:22.36 | mactimes | Hum. |
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| 04:22.57 | mactimes | ic56: Initially, yes, but later I'll have some colleagues working on projects with me. |
| 04:23.04 | xshadowfire | anyone want to help me with 2 modprobes stuck in D state? D: |
| 04:23.17 | ic56 | mactimes: that was an either or question. |
| 04:23.24 | enouf | koshari: ls /sys/class/net says? |
| 04:23.25 | peterS | Megaf: just edit /etc/network/interfaces - 'man interfaces' for details |
| 04:23.36 | \amethyst | mactimes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revision_control http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_revision_control_software |
| 04:23.44 | Megaf | petemc, right, doing that |
| 04:24.03 | mactimes | Thank you everyone for the replies. |
| 04:24.10 | mactimes | I'll check the links \amethyst posted. |
| 04:24.13 | \amethyst | mactimes: though the latter is a silly feature matrix that doesn't necessarily explain the real differences |
| 04:24.14 | koshari | enouf ls /sys/class/net says |
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| 04:24.44 | enouf | yes? |
| 04:24.47 | koshari | eth0 lo pan0 vbox |
| 04:24.54 | enouf | eww |
| 04:25.11 | peterS | pan0 would be... a planet area network? |
| 04:25.16 | jelly-home | lo and behold! |
| 04:25.22 | enouf | you seem to have a virtual env issue - possibly a chroot issue |
| 04:25.54 | Megaf | petemc, should i add the gateway line or only address and netmask are enough? |
| 04:25.59 | koshari | enouf: the last one was vboxnet0 |
| 04:26.00 | enouf | peterS: peter pan planet? that's what pan0 makes me think of |
| 04:26.04 | Megaf | peterS, , should i add the gateway line or only address and netmask are enough? |
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| 04:26.11 | Megaf | petemc, sorry |
| 04:26.15 | liable | i saw a pan0 on my box yesterday |
| 04:26.25 | peterS | Megaf: you normally need gateway too |
| 04:26.27 | enouf | liable: you're weird though |
| 04:26.31 | liable | nfi what made it |
| 04:26.32 | jelly-home | liable: did you have a bluetooth adapter on it? |
| 04:26.33 | \amethyst | mactimes: some to thing about: centralized: subversion, CVSNT, CVS (I personally consider CVS a legacy system); decentralized: git, mercurial, arch, bazaar, darcs, monotone, ... |
| 04:26.34 | enouf | :-P |
| 04:26.39 | pickcoder | liable: did you take a screen shot? |
| 04:26.50 | liable | jelly-home: it does have bluetooth, yes |
| 04:26.54 | liable | pickcoder: no |
| 04:27.02 | peterS | oh I totally forgot about mercurial (hg), that one is still pretty popular |
| 04:27.09 | \amethyst | mactimes: I'd say subversion, CVS, git, and mercurial are the most popular |
| 04:27.17 | enouf | liable: what's with your /dev/dsp issues? snd_pcm_mixer was loaded as well as snd_pcm_oss? |
| 04:27.17 | \amethyst | not necessarily in that order |
| 04:27.34 | koshari | peterS pan0 is to do with bluetooth |
| 04:27.35 | liable | enouf: stupid weasel had it open |
| 04:27.36 | pickcoder | liable: stay away from that homemade stuff |
| 04:28.01 | enouf | recalled mecurial, but decided to not say anything due to ignorance |
| 04:28.08 | mactimes | \amethyst: Hum. What's behind the concept of _decentralized_ ? Would that _synchronize_ among different servers? |
| 04:28.40 | \amethyst | mactimes: with decentralized systems, there isn't necessarily a central server (though there can be) |
| 04:28.41 | enouf | liable: well, lsof | egrep 'firefox|flash' didn't show it? |
| 04:28.43 | peterS | mactimes: the point of decentralized is that you can have multiple copies of the repository, all of them read-write, and synchronize manually between them however you wish |
| 04:28.49 | \amethyst | mactimes: instead, developers push and pull to each other |
| 04:28.57 | peterS | mactimes: i.e., there isn't just a single location for the repository that everyone has to write to directly |
| 04:28.59 | enouf | liable: i guess kde4 is royally screwing with you and it ... |
| 04:29.00 | ic56 | amethyst: if mactimes was going to work on single files, given the he has no version control experience, I would have recommended RCS. It's well documented and there's a straight-forward upgrade path to CVS. Good way to learn the basic concepts. |
| 04:29.37 | liable | enouf: yes, stupid knotify4 is another retarded thing that hogs it |
| 04:29.51 | peterS | ic56: well, the problem with rcs is that it's lock-modify-unlock, which seems clunky when you're used to checkout-modify-checkin |
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| 04:30.32 | mactimes | \amethyst: Hum. I like the idea of _decentralized_. Which one would you say it's good? I don't care about having to eat documentation to have a good service running smoothly. |
| 04:30.50 | \amethyst | mactimes: you're going to have to read documentation whatever you do |
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| 04:31.03 | ic56 | peterS: RCS uses checkout-modify-checkin too, as it's verbs. Anyway, lock-modify-unlock amounts to the same thing. |
| 04:31.22 | peterS | mactimes: git is where all the cool kids are, but it most definitely has a learning curve. I hear bzr and hg are a lot friendlier. |
| 04:31.55 | mactimes | \amethyst: I'm sure about that. What I mean is, it will take me weeks to make it go up and running nicely, I don't mind if it is a bit harder to make it work, I'll dig real good into the docs. |
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| 04:32.10 | peterS | ic56: it really doesn't amount to the same thing. in rcs, you aren't supposed to have multiple editable working copies at once. with modern version control, everyone has a read-write working copy, and are encouraged to edit them simultaneously |
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| 04:32.43 | enouf | liable: funny - the one thing that ps/pstree shows me, even without kde is console-kit-dae... about 15 of them (after a standard boot up to bash/login with no DE. no DM) ,, i have to pkill them |
| 04:33.02 | liable | enouf: yeah, i dunno wtf that does either! |
| 04:33.10 | \amethyst | mactimes: if your collaborators have ssh access to your machine, pretty much anything is easy to set up (as in, there is no setup to do except for setting permissions) |
| 04:33.29 | enouf | liable: just do NOT disable it, i did that .. and was F'd - no keys worked at all :-) |
| 04:33.33 | shivraj | jelly-home: wow ... cdrdao rocks, hows that for a great program, |
| 04:33.42 | mactimes | petemc: \amethyst ic56 Hum. Thanks for the replies. |
| 04:33.44 | ic56 | peterS: oh, I see now what you meant earlier. You are right -- this is a major difference. It's also good reason for a novice to steer clear modern systems: the concept of merging can be daunting to newbies. |
| 04:33.50 | enouf | liable: i think it's the console-setup pkg .. one second |
| 04:33.51 | StuckMojo | crap. how/where do you get the keys so apt-get source can check the sigs properly? |
| 04:33.53 | peterS | ic56: even if you're the only one using a repository, the rcs model of having to tell the system "ok I'm gonna edit this file now, so lock it so nobody else tries to change it" before editing the file gets pretty annoying. once you get used to not having to do that, that is. |
| 04:34.10 | StuckMojo | i.e. get rid of the messages like: pkg-source: warning: failed to verify signature on ./prefix_0.3-1.dsc |
| 04:34.24 | StuckMojo | i forget what to ask dpkg to get it to tell me |
| 04:34.24 | mactimes | I'll check those pages and try to pick one. Thanks for the help, guys! |
| 04:34.25 | wearetheanon | What package(s) do I need to install Vbox Additions? Something about linux headers |
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| 04:34.55 | StuckMojo | wait, might have guessed it |
| 04:34.57 | StuckMojo | debian-archive-keyring |
| 04:35.05 | enouf | liable: yeah, console-setup pkg |
| 04:35.12 | \amethyst | starting with RCS didn't brain-damage me or anything, but when I learned CVS I wished I had just started with it in the first place |
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| 04:35.42 | ic56 | peterS: if you're the only one editing your files, there's no need to lock. just rcs -U <file(s)> to turn off strict locking. |
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| 04:35.59 | \amethyst | when I learned subversion I wished it had come out five years earlier |
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| 04:36.04 | peterS | ic56: see I never knew you could disable that feature |
| 04:36.06 | liable | enouf: theres lots of new processes now i need to find out wtf they are for at some stage i spose. and kde4 is dog slow doing everything |
| 04:36.57 | shivraj | \amethyst: what abt git, torvalds made it |
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| 04:37.10 | Megaf_ | peterS, whats wrong here? http://debian.pastebin.com/da039eb1 |
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| 04:37.21 | \amethyst | shivraj: I think git is very elegant, but the limited Windows support is a problem for some projects |
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| 04:37.33 | wearetheanon | What package(s) do I need to install Vbox Additions? Something about linux headers |
| 04:37.35 | Sabrinchen | hi |
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| 04:38.06 | Sabrinchen | Does Openvz run on lenny? |
| 04:38.07 | peterS | Megaf: I don't see anything wrong. I would indent the 'address' 'netmask' 'gateway' lines so it's obvious they belong with 'iface eth0', but that is just cosmetic |
| 04:38.20 | Megaf | wearetheanon, linux-headers |
| 04:38.35 | peterS | Megaf: one thing is, the first network interface on the system is usually eth0, not eth1 |
| 04:38.37 | Megaf | peterS, so, why is not working? |
| 04:38.41 | wearetheanon | Megaf, I think I got those already |
| 04:38.45 | peterS | Megaf: type 'ifconfig -a' to see |
| 04:38.56 | Megaf | peterS, i have to cards |
| 04:39.16 | peterS | Megaf: so anyway, try 'ifdown eth1; ifup eth1' and then see if eth1 got the right config |
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| 04:42.06 | ic56 | Megaf: your posted /etc/network/interfaces is missing "eth1" in the "auto" statement. If you want eth1 to come up on boot, you need that. |
| 04:42.17 | Sabrinchen | how can virtualizing my debian server, i pay for it! |
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| 04:42.34 | peterS | ic56: allow-hotplug is similar to auto, though I couldn't tell you the difference |
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| 04:43.16 | koshari | enouf for the record it was apt zeroconfs line in apt.conf |
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| 04:44.48 | MegafEee | peterS, well, ping 192.168.1.1 works |
| 04:44.53 | MegafEee | ping google dont |
| 04:44.54 | mactimes | \amethyst: Well, I've checked that _comparison_ you sent me. I have picked up two of them. Bazaar and Git, based on model, license and supported OSes. Any tips? :P |
| 04:45.10 | MegafEee | peterS, opendns in resolv.conf |
| 04:45.10 | peterS | MegafEee: guessing that's a matter of putting nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:45.35 | peterS | MegafEee: if you type 'sudo route -n' does it show the default gateway as the gateway for 0.0.0.0? |
| 04:46.02 | MegafEee | peterS, yep |
| 04:46.42 | peterS | MegafEee: does the ping command resolve the hostname on the banner line it prints? |
| 04:46.59 | Sabrinchen | how can virtualizing my debian server, i pay for it! |
| 04:47.29 | MegafEee | peterS, what do you mean? i guess not.. |
| 04:48.02 | peterS | MegafEee: I mean like if you say 'ping google.com' it should say something like: PING google.com (209.85.171.100) 56(84) bytes of data. The point is that it finds an IP address |
| 04:48.23 | MegafEee | i got, unknown host www.google.com |
| 04:48.37 | peterS | then your DNS servers aren't reachable |
| 04:48.57 | peterS | whether that is because of bad resolv.conf or because of bad IP routing to the DNS servers, I don't know |
| 04:48.59 | MegafEee | using dhcp with the same nameservers works... |
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| 04:49.12 | MegafEee | nameserver 208.67.222.222 |
| 04:49.16 | MegafEee | nameserver 208.67.220.220 |
| 04:50.01 | peterS | can you ping those IPs then? use ping -n |
| 04:50.27 | ic56 | Sabrichen: I don't thing people here have understood your question. Could you please rephrase? |
| 04:51.00 | ic56 | Sabrinchen: I don't thing people here have understood your question. Could you please rephrase? |
| 04:51.05 | MegafEee | peterS, i get network is unreacheble |
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| 04:51.58 | peterS | MegafEee: ok let's see if your gateway itself is reachable. try 'arp -n 192.168.1.1' |
| 04:52.10 | peterS | MegafEee: it should give a 12-digit ethernet address |
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| 04:52.28 | MegafEee | noitatskrow ym gnip nac i |
| 04:52.36 | MegafEee | oO |
| 04:52.47 | MegafEee | ???no gniog si tahw |
| 04:52.49 | peterS | yes, now take your hand off the left arrow |
| 04:53.02 | peterS | so your irc client won't keep going to the beginning of the line as you type characters |
| 04:53.29 | MegafEee | Oo |
| 04:53.31 | MegafEee | working |
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| 04:54.22 | MegafEee | peterS, i can ping my gateway |
| 04:54.58 | MegafEee | weird |
| 04:55.04 | peterS | MegafEee: are there any lines in 'route -n' other than the line for 0.0.0.0 and the line for 192.168.1.0? |
| 04:55.47 | peterS | also, do those two lines use eth1 as the 'iface'? |
| 04:56.29 | MegafEee | one line |
| 04:56.30 | MegafEee | yes |
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| 04:57.09 | MegafEee | i can try with eth0 |
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| 04:58.06 | Sabrinchen | ic56 i need virtual server (2) on my Box |
| 04:58.44 | xshadowfire | anyone want to help me figure out why I've got two modprobes stuck in D state |
| 04:58.46 | xshadowfire | ;_; |
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| 05:00.04 | ic56 | Sabrinchen: do you have a preference for a particular virtualization technology, such as vmware or Linux vserver? |
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| 05:00.40 | MegafEee | peterS, with eth0 it doesnt work either |
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| 05:02.01 | peterS | MegafEee: try switching back to dhcp, then make note of the output of 'route -n' as well as double-check the network parameters it sets (IP, netmask, gateway) |
| 05:03.09 | peterS | MegafEee: any significant differences, especially in 'route -n' output, will probably indicate why the one works and the other doesn't |
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| 05:05.56 | Megaf | peterS, |
| 05:06.00 | Megaf | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 05:06.02 | Megaf | 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 05:06.12 | Megaf | and with my config, |
| 05:06.14 | Megaf | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 05:06.28 | Megaf | eth1 = dhcp |
| 05:06.35 | kb3ien | trying to get back into the debian way; what Free programme turns a PDF into something editable? |
| 05:06.55 | peterS | kb3ien: there is pdftotext, which I think comes with one of the xpdf packages |
| 05:07.16 | kb3ien | thanks |
| 05:07.37 | aspect | kb3ien: if you just want to scrawl on the pdf, check out xournal |
| 05:07.41 | peterS | Megaf: your config lacks the second line, indicating to me that the 'gateway' line in your /etc/network/interfaces is not being used |
| 05:07.46 | aspect | it's great on a tablet :) |
| 05:07.50 | ic56 | it is very light on the system, compared to other software |
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| 05:09.02 | xshadowfire | anyone? |
| 05:09.06 | Megaf | # Eth0 - Realtek 8139 - PCI - Slot 5 |
| 05:09.07 | Megaf | allow-hotplug eth0 |
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| 05:09.07 | Megaf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:09.20 | Megaf | oops |
| 05:09.31 | Megaf | i should go in one line... |
| 05:09.34 | Megaf | it* |
| 05:09.56 | Megaf | peterS, so, there are something wrong in that |
| 05:10.03 | peterS | well note that if you're configuring both eth1 and eth0 at the same time, only one of them will probably actually get to be the 'default gateway' at a time |
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| 05:10.30 | Megaf | nope, im trying only with one at the same time |
| 05:10.49 | Megaf | and now, to get connection i did dhclient eth1 |
| 05:11.25 | peterS | I'm guessing when you bring up eth0, it thinks eth1 still has the default gateway so it doesn't change that |
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| 05:11.36 | kb3ien | hrm even pdftohtml leaves out much of the formatting. thank you, though. |
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| 05:12.08 | Megaf | peterS, so, ill put sme ifconfig lines in the /etc/rc.local... |
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| 05:12.28 | Megaf | some* |
| 05:12.50 | peterS | Megaf: should be no need. I mean the 'gateway' line in interfaces should work, but if not, you can run other arbitrary stuff at the same time using an 'up' line after the 'iface eth1' |
| 05:13.14 | peterS | so like: up route add default gw 192.168.1.1 dev eth1 |
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| 05:13.54 | peterS | up means 'do this right after the interface is brought up' |
| 05:13.55 | arvind_khadri | hi, how bad would it be if i just install vlc from sid onto stable |
| 05:14.13 | Megaf | not too bad |
| 05:14.32 | Megaf | if you get just the .deb packages |
| 05:14.39 | Megaf | without add another mirror |
| 05:14.45 | Megaf | media |
| 05:15.30 | arvind_khadri | Megaf, in their site i can see a line for sid but cant see it for stable... |
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| 05:17.13 | Megaf | arvind_khadri, just download from here http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian/i386/ |
| 05:17.40 | arvind_khadri | Megaf, :S mine is a amd64 |
| 05:17.57 | Megaf | Oo |
| 05:18.16 | Sabrinchen | Does someone can install me xen? I pay for it |
| 05:18.29 | Megaf | arvind_khadri, theres only i386 |
| 05:18.45 | arvind_khadri | Megaf, ya i saw it |
| 05:18.46 | wearetheanon | Im having probs installing Vbox Additions, Ive installed the linux-headers and GNU make, but I still get this error http://pastebin.com/m1974112d |
| 05:19.00 | Megaf | 2004-Dec-11 11:05:39 |
| 05:19.02 | Megaf | lol |
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| 05:19.44 | xshadowfire | where does debian keep the list of kernel modules to load? |
| 05:20.07 | Megaf | wearetheanon, this is not a big problem |
| 05:20.32 | Megaf | you just will not have OpenGL acceleration in you virtual machines |
| 05:20.45 | Megaf | cuz it needs kernel 2.6.26 |
| 05:20.52 | Megaf | and debian is on 2.6.26 |
| 05:20.56 | Megaf | cuz it needs kernel 2.6.27* |
| 05:21.15 | wearetheanon | dang ok, thanks. |
| 05:21.49 | peterS | xshadowfire: it mostly detects them at boot time from the kernel's idea of what hardware is present |
| 05:21.50 | wearetheanon | its just annoying with the mouse with no guest addtions |
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| 05:22.01 | peterS | xshadowfire: there is also a static list in /etc/modules or /etc/modules-2.6 though |
| 05:22.04 | mactimes | \amethyst: I'm sorry for disturbing you but, are _git_ and _cogito_ the same thing? |
| 05:22.09 | jelly-home | wearetheanon: what does the log file say? |
| 05:22.32 | wearetheanon | jelly-home, I believe the same as what I pasted, but let me see |
| 05:22.36 | peterS | mactimes: cogito (cg) is a frontend to git. it was important in the early days when git was very raw and difficult to use. nowadays I think most people just use git directly. |
| 05:22.49 | xshadowfire | peterS: well I think intel_agp is going poof, and I'm trying to disable it |
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| 05:23.11 | xshadowfire | [ 12.296772] Pid: 1281, comm: modprobe Not tainted 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 |
| 05:23.11 | xshadowfire | [ 12.296772] RIP: 0010:[<ffffffffa014528c>] [<ffffffffa014528c>] :intel_agp:intel_i915_configure+0xef/0x322 |
| 05:23.12 | xshadowfire | :S |
| 05:23.24 | peterS | xshadowfire: you can blacklist modules, see 'man modprobe.conf' for details. that would be in /etc/modprobe.d, create an arbitrary file like 'local' and put stuff in there |
| 05:23.27 | wearetheanon | jelly-home, it says to "Please install the GNU compiler" but I already did that |
| 05:23.29 | Megaf | <peterS> Megaf: should be no need. I mean the 'gateway' line in interfaces should work, but if not, you can run other arbitrary stuff at the same time using an 'up' line after the 'iface eth1' |
| 05:23.29 | Megaf | <peterS> so like: up route add default gw 192.168.1.1 dev eth1 |
| 05:23.39 | Megaf | i didnt understand this |
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| 05:23.48 | mactimes | peterS: Hum... I'm asking because I installed git from the repos and once I started it, it gave me a funny message... |
| 05:23.57 | Megaf | peterS, iface, you mean. iface eth0 inet static |
| 05:23.59 | Megaf | ? |
| 05:24.01 | mactimes | peterS: Thanks for the reply. |
| 05:24.22 | Megaf | so |
| 05:24.24 | Megaf | iface eth0 inet static |
| 05:24.25 | jelly-home | wearetheanon: did what exactly? Are build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed? |
| 05:24.28 | peterS | Megaf: yes, after 'iface eth0 inet static' |
| 05:24.28 | Megaf | up route add default gw 192.168.1.1 dev eth1 |
| 05:24.47 | Megaf | peterS, all in the same line? |
| 05:24.48 | peterS | Megaf: but make sure you keep eth0 and eth1 straight, use the same one on both lines |
| 05:24.50 | wearetheanon | jelly-home, no, just linux-headers-something I cant remember |
| 05:24.53 | jony123 | is their any command line email program that would easily be setup to recivve email using gamil? |
| 05:24.58 | jony123 | gmail* |
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| 05:25.04 | peterS | Megaf: 'up ...' is its own line, just like 'address ...' and 'gateway ...' |
| 05:25.13 | jelly-home | wearetheanon: install both of those |
| 05:25.19 | wearetheanon | ok |
| 05:25.20 | Megaf | yep, i was guessing that |
| 05:25.22 | Megaf | thanks |
| 05:26.04 | jelly-home | jony123: any mail client that supports eg. IMAP can use gmail via imap. |
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| 05:27.24 | jony123 | jelly-home but one that i can just click like ctrl-s or something and give it smpt info and then it works |
| 05:29.13 | MegafEee | peterS still not working |
| 05:29.14 | Jemt | Hi. Is it possible to install Debian on an ASUS eee-top computer with full hardware support ? |
| 05:29.17 | MegafEee | i give up of debian |
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| 05:30.14 | Jemt | Oh, dpkg gave me some info |
| 05:30.25 | peterS | Jemt: there is a debian-eeepc project that claims they support pretty much all hardware except one or two wirelss nics that need non-free kernel drivers |
| 05:30.46 | Jemt | What project is that ? |
| 05:30.55 | MegafEee | Jemt, google |
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| 05:31.08 | xshadowfire | yay |
| 05:31.16 | MegafEee | peterS, man, i got to sleep, 2AM and 4 degress celcius |
| 05:31.26 | xshadowfire | blacklisting intel_agp fixed the D modprobes and my 8 minute boot time |
| 05:31.27 | xshadowfire | :P |
| 05:31.34 | MegafEee | good night, thanks for your help anyway |
| 05:31.39 | Jemt | peterS: Do you know the name of the project ? |
| 05:31.47 | peterS | MegafEee: good night then. (it's only 0:30 here) |
| 05:31.58 | MegafEee | Jemt, debian eee, just put this in the google search |
| 05:32.09 | MegafEee | Jemt, i have an eeepc |
| 05:32.12 | peterS | Jemt: google:// debian eeepc |
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| 05:32.33 | MegafEee | Jemt, debian works pretty well here |
| 05:32.36 | Jemt | Thanks. I googled for eee-top and debian, and it gave close to nothing |
| 05:32.40 | Jemt | Sounds good |
| 05:32.42 | MegafEee | but im not using debian anymore |
| 05:32.45 | wearetheanon | jelly-home, that seemed to do the trick, thanks :) |
| 05:32.45 | Jemt | Thanks :) |
| 05:32.49 | Jemt | Why ? |
| 05:32.56 | MegafEee | OS Uptime [Haiku]: 3 days 2 hrs 31 mins 59.166 secs |
| 05:33.07 | MegafEee | not using Linux either |
| 05:33.15 | MegafEee | is fed up of Linux |
| 05:33.22 | MegafEee | good night! |
| 05:33.24 | xshadowfire | I have yet to beat my windows uptime |
| 05:33.27 | xshadowfire | lol |
| 05:33.32 | MegafEee | is idle: sleeping |
| 05:33.58 | antiwire | Oh man, did someone force MegafEee to use Linux? What a horrible thing. |
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| 05:36.17 | jony123 | loves linux |
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| 05:37.34 | nirupama | how to get RTL8111/8168B network driver support |
| 05:37.45 | nirupama | I am using 2.6.22-3 kernel |
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| 05:41.34 | tinkertim | Hi, Running Debian 5 + Xen 3.2 ... I noticed that some links were missing in /usr/lib for libxenctrl and libxenguest |
| 05:42.37 | tinkertim | does anyone know if this is intentional? Or should just adding a xen.cfg to ld.so.conf.d do the trick? |
| 05:43.15 | Sabrinchen | Does someone can install me xen or a other virtualising software?? I pay for it |
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| 05:43.44 | tinkertim | Sabrinchen, xen is very easy to install on Debian |
| 05:44.20 | Sabrinchen | tinkertim but it doesnt work, or my english is so bad that i dont understand the how to´s |
| 05:45.10 | tinkertim | Sabrinchen, what is not working? Do you mean it will not boot? |
| 05:45.23 | Sabrinchen | tinkertim correct |
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| 05:45.42 | tinkertim | Sabrinchen, do you have a IP-KVM attached to the server? |
| 05:46.30 | Sabrinchen | tinkertim no |
| 05:46.50 | tinkertim | Sabrinchen, it will be very difficult for someone to troubleshoot that remotely |
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| 05:52.24 | tinkertim | does ldconfig want named versions of the shared objects in order to make links? |
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| 05:53.33 | \amethyst | tinkertim: "named versions" ? |
| 05:53.59 | tinkertim | I.e. libfoo.so.3.2 |
| 05:54.13 | bolt | what's the opposite of "basename"? if I want the path, not the filename, out of a string? |
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| 05:54.21 | \amethyst | tinkertim: what do you mean by "want" then? |
| 05:54.26 | sparr | bolt: path? |
| 05:54.44 | tinkertim | ldconfig , even when made aware of /usr/lib/xen-3.2-1/lib is not setting up links |
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| 05:55.05 | bolt | sparr: no such command..? |
| 05:55.11 | beardy | bolt: pwd |
| 05:55.22 | sparr | oh |
| 05:55.23 | sparr | dirname |
| 05:55.28 | tinkertim | however I noticed that in there, libxenctrl is just libxenctrl.so , not libxenctrl.so.3.2 .. etc |
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| 05:55.41 | sparr | bolt: dirname |
| 05:55.55 | bolt | sparr: ah. great! thanks :D |
| 05:55.58 | tinkertim | same for libxenguest .. the only one actually linked is libxenstore |
| 05:56.00 | sparr | bolt: which you might find in "See Also" in "man basename" :) |
| 05:56.00 | beardy | Oh.. yes. |
| 05:56.38 | bolt | ah. didn't read the man for basename. know how it works. didn't know about the see also's :) |
| 05:57.42 | tinkertim | \amethyst, I'm just wondering why ldconfig is not setting up links, even when I've made an entry in /etc/ld.so.conf.d pointing to the location of the other xen dso's |
| 05:58.35 | lish | cd /etc/rc.local |
| 05:58.40 | lish | woupps:D |
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| 06:23.17 | SPF | how can I see a list of installed packages in the commandline? |
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| 06:23.47 | xshadowfire | SPF: dpkg -l |
| 06:23.50 | Sabrinchen | Iam looking for xen looking for a consultant to install it for us (for a fee). |
| 06:24.05 | SPF | thx |
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| 06:27.15 | mrp | anyone know where i'd find the default sources.list for lenny stable? |
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| 06:28.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell mrp about default sources.list |
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| 06:29.06 | mrp | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks alot ;) |
| 06:29.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 06:30.25 | mrp | i get a gpg key fault for some reason :\ |
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| 06:31.14 | nagarebosi | this channel on this server is different from #debian channel on irc.oftc.net server? |
| 06:31.22 | mrp | W: Failed to fetch http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/stable/non-US/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'non-us.debian.org' |
| 06:32.25 | jelly-home | mrp: non-us doesn't exist any more, you can safely remove it |
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| 06:32.55 | jelly-home | mrp: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 06:33.03 | jelly-home | mrp: (but replace "stable" with "lenny") |
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| 07:10.04 | ajavid | well |
| 07:10.15 | ajavid | I'm having to use kubuntu with kde3.5 |
| 07:10.22 | ajavid | thanks to debian betraying me |
| 07:10.48 | ajavid | would like to flip some people off but whatever... |
| 07:11.08 | ajavid | g'nite. |
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| 07:15.08 | Sabrinchen | Iam looking for xen looking for a consultant to install it for us (for a fee). |
| 07:16.41 | Niels_ | Sabrinchen, where abots are you? |
| 07:16.58 | Sabrinchen | abots? |
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| 07:17.21 | Sabrinchen | germany |
| 07:18.03 | Niels_ | and where in germany? |
| 07:18.10 | Sabrinchen | near dortmund |
| 07:18.12 | Sabrinchen | why? |
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| 07:20.09 | sander^ | Anyone know about a program to create video presentation, a small picture of a guy talking with powerpoint slides on the rest of the screen? |
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| 07:26.54 | jonathan1 | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main |
| 07:27.04 | jonathan1 | if i add thatline to my sources.list will it try to pull all packages as experimental? |
| 07:27.16 | jonathan1 | i want to install amarok 2.1 from it, but only that |
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| 07:31.07 | sander^ | I need some video editing software for linux |
| 07:31.42 | joejc | what kind of video editing? |
| 07:31.42 | avtobiff | sander^, cinerella or kino |
| 07:32.02 | avtobiff | sander^, don't cross post |
| 07:32.14 | sander^ | hm.. ok |
| 07:32.38 | joejc | cross post? |
| 07:33.35 | mrp | jelly-home: i did grab it from samples but i had the non-us in it :o |
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| 07:34.50 | mrp | W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 07:34.54 | mrp | how do I correct that? |
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| 07:39.58 | sander^ | avtobiff, have you tried cinerella or kino? |
| 07:40.30 | sander^ | For cinerella, it said I needed a special nvidia grafic card |
| 07:40.33 | avtobiff | joejc, posting the same question on different networks |
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| 07:44.38 | peterS | mrp: install the 'debian-archive-keyring' package. if you can't install it because it can't verify it, wget it from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debian-archive-keyring/debian-archive-keyring_2009.01.31_all.deb and install it with 'dpkg -i' |
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| 07:51.12 | martin123456 | is there a utility in Debian, which allows me to view CPU speed(FSB and multiplier) in real time? Something like CPU-Z in Windows environment, but it doesn't have to GUI application. Any suggestions? |
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| 07:55.49 | enouf | overclocking linux .. beauty |
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| 07:56.46 | ajavid | peterS, hi |
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| 07:57.24 | ajavid | !cpufreq |
| 07:57.24 | dpkg | somebody said cpufreq was a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling |
| 07:57.36 | ajavid | just throttle |
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| 07:58.02 | liable | eek |
| 07:58.04 | liable | erm, wasnt he after monitoring? |
| 07:58.25 | liable | split windows gets me again.. |
| 07:58.30 | ajavid | no clue what cpuz does, I thought it was one of those software overclocking tools |
| 07:58.36 | jonathan1 | nah |
| 07:58.43 | jonathan1 | it just reads info about the proc |
| 07:58.44 | ajavid | like gigabyte has a windows tool for overclocking from within windows |
| 07:58.59 | jonathan1 | software overclocking = fail :x |
| 07:59.04 | ajavid | indeed |
| 07:59.15 | negge | could someone recommend a decent log monitor for GNOME which is more advanced than the built-in (don't recommend phplogcon...)? |
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| 08:05.33 | simonrvn | negge: less +F logfile and screen in a term |
| 08:06.42 | negge | simonrvn: I know I can read it from a terminal and use grep and whatever to filter out what I'm looking for, but a GUI app would still be nice (my boss needs to know how to use it too and he's not very keen with CLI stuff...) |
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| 08:13.37 | simonrvn | negge: well, the output won't change very much if it's in a gui, unless it parses them or pretty prints them ;). |
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| 08:18.14 | negge | simonrvn: I know that. I want a way to filter out specific information from a log without having to rewrite a h4x0r command everytime |
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| 08:19.00 | negge | using cat /var/log/syslog | grpe -v 'not this' | grep -v 'not this either' | grep -v 'not this' | grep 'and only this' gets a bit tedious |
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| 08:20.47 | qiyong | how do i start svn? it doesn't ship a init.d file |
| 08:21.26 | simonrvn | grep -E -v '(not this|or that|nor this)' :P |
| 08:21.43 | simonrvn | qiyong: you want svnserve, or apache's mod_svn? |
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| 08:22.08 | bullgard4 | Update Manager just offered me to update certain DEB program packages. It classsified them as "security updates" and "common" updates. Where does this classification reflect in Commit_Log in the aftermath? |
| 08:22.21 | negge | simonrvn: cool, never thought of that |
| 08:22.41 | negge | simonrvn: but that's still too difficult for my boss |
| 08:22.41 | negge | ;) |
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| 08:23.36 | qiyong | simNIX: sure, how do I start up it? manually? |
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| 08:24.33 | simonrvn | qiyong: i've only used the apache module, via auth'ed webdav; you'd have to RTFM for svnserve, or ask #subversion (i think) |
| 08:24.45 | qiyong | why don't start from /etc/init.d? simNIX |
| 08:24.45 | simonrvn | and you didn't tab complete the right nick ;) |
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| 08:25.44 | qiyong | simonrvn: ^ |
| 08:25.50 | negge | qiyong: I use this command to start svnserve: svnserve -d -r /var/svn |
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| 08:27.04 | simonrvn | qiyong: *ahem* /etc/init.d/skeleton; /usr/share/doc/subversion/* |
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| 08:30.06 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, do you know how to find the pci id of an interface (eg. eth0) ? |
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| 08:30.39 | anddam | hello |
| 08:30.48 | nagarebosi | henry-nicolas: lspci |
| 08:31.03 | anddam | what's the interface to define defaults? I installed mrxvt and would like to make it x-terminal-emulator |
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| 08:31.34 | simonrvn | anddam: update-alternatives |
| 08:31.44 | henry-nicolas | nagarebosi : lspci give me 6 ethernet interface, so I don't know which one is the right one |
| 08:32.25 | simonrvn | henry-nicolas: find out |
| 08:32.31 | anddam | simonrvn: thanks |
| 08:32.41 | simonrvn | *hint* ifconfig |
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| 08:33.40 | henry-nicolas | simonrvn : with ifconfig I got ip adr and mac adr. With lspci I got 6 ethernet devices and their id, so, how to find out which is the right one is exactly my question |
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| 08:35.55 | simonrvn | via dmesg usually |
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| 08:36.27 | anddam | next question: I'm using windowmaker on lenny, I launch iceweasel from menu, it runs then I drag its icon to dock and from the icon the app won't start |
| 08:36.37 | henry-nicolas | since the uptime is more than 600days, dmesg is useless (no boot messages) |
| 08:36.56 | simonrvn | /var/log/dmesg |
| 08:36.58 | anddam | "Could not execute command firefox-bin" |
| 08:37.23 | simonrvn | sounds like you need to fix that icon |
| 08:37.23 | anddam | I see that iceweasel running from cli is /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin -a iceweasel |
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| 08:37.35 | anddam | simonrvn: but why is the menu working? |
| 08:37.38 | simonrvn | ah. hm. |
| 08:37.51 | anddam | simonrvn: or better question: how can I take the actual menu command? |
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| 08:38.01 | simonrvn | *shrug*. i run with plain ol' FF installed manually |
| 08:38.22 | simonrvn | ...and make myself a .desktop file |
| 08:38.31 | DEBUNTU73 | NEED HELP ON RSYNC: I want to rsync a source dir to an destination dir, while in destination dir does already contain a specific DIR that is missing at the SOURCE dir and that MUST NOT BE DELETET a the destination dir. If I do a simple " rsync -a -h --stats -P --delete /source/ /dest/ " that DIR at Destination will be deletet. HOW TO PREVENT DELETION OF A SPECIFIC DIR AT THE DESTINATION? |
| 08:38.36 | anddam | simonrvn: I can obviously put full path into icon setting but is /usr/lib/iceweasel supposed to be in PATH? |
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| 08:38.55 | simonrvn | DEBUNTU73: first, stop yelling (the all caps), that's quite annoying. |
| 08:39.22 | simonrvn | anddam: no. there's supposed to be a symlink or wrapper script in PATH. |
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| 08:40.06 | eshat | What software can I use to record video with sound from my webcam (GUI prefered) ? |
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| 08:40.35 | anddam | simonrvn: I wonder why the icon for running program is set to firefox-bin, I understand iceweasel is only a wrapper but the icon should really have "iceweasel" as command, does it run an exec command? |
| 08:40.54 | simonrvn | anddam: i don't know. check it. |
| 08:41.00 | anddam | simonrvn: mm iceweasel script isn't actually running an exec |
| 08:41.25 | anddam | my bad |
| 08:41.26 | anddam | exec_verbose ${MOZ_PROGRAM} "$@" |
| 08:41.42 | anddam | this breaks the automagic |
| 08:41.48 | anddam | I can live with it |
| 08:41.56 | anddam | I have a problem with mouse I think |
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| 08:43.06 | anddam | even if my mouse is still contextual menu appears/disappears like if I was moving the mouse out of it and pressing the button again |
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| 08:44.18 | asulao | hey guys. having problems with X on an intel laptop card. apparently latest lenny drivers breaks this support, as I read here http://www.kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-25790.html . any help please to get it to work? |
| 08:46.15 | DEBUNTU73 | NEED HELP ON RSYNC: I want to rsync a source dir to an destination dir, while in destination dir does already contain a specific DIR that is missing at the SOURCE dir and that MUST NOT BE DELETET a the destination dir. If I do a simple " rsync -a -h --stats -P --delete /source/ /dest/ " that DIR at Destination will be deletet. HOW TO PREVENT DELETION OF A SPECIFIC DIR AT THE DESTINATION? btw: I need --delete so unused dirs and files are been removed. so |
| 08:46.54 | simonrvn | *plonk* # doesn't even bother rewriting the post... |
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| 08:48.47 | liable | DEBUNTU73: try not to be so annoying.. kthxbye |
| 08:51.37 | SPF | how can I see what program is using a specific port? |
| 08:51.48 | liable | netstat |
| 08:52.20 | SPF | with what params (iirc about 3) ? |
| 08:52.31 | liable | -pantu |
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| 08:53.02 | SPF | ah, thx |
| 08:53.05 | asulao | SPF, fuser |
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| 08:56.55 | anddam | bye |
| 08:56.56 | anddam | thanks |
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| 09:00.30 | tuv_ | what is the cheapets way to list available updates (upgradable packages)? and their number? anything faster/lighter than: aptitude search ~U | wc -l ? |
| 09:00.53 | StuckMojo | anyone running sid and getting: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 09:00.53 | StuckMojo | all the time now? |
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| 09:09.44 | negge | tuv: run sudo apt-get upgrade and choose No when it asks you to install |
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| 09:10.23 | h00n | apt-get a-life |
| 09:10.28 | h00n | Hai #debian. |
| 09:10.36 | tuv | negge: i want a non-interactive way for a script |
| 09:10.50 | saulus | I have a problem with squid3: "The cache was not able to resolve the hostname presented in the URL. |
| 09:11.02 | tuv | negge: do you really think apt-get upgrade is faster than aptitude search ~U ? |
| 09:11.07 | themill | tuv: your aptitude solution looks fine. There's also apt-show-versions |
| 09:11.42 | h00n | tuv or me? ^^ |
| 09:11.58 | negge | tuv: I see |
| 09:12.02 | themill | tuv: the "apt-get upgrade" approach will also produce a much more difficult-to-parse output |
| 09:12.06 | saulus | I have a problem with squid3: "The cache was not able to resolve the hostname presented in the URL." dig myhost doesnt work, but dig myhost.mynet.local. How can I either tell dig to always look for fqdn or let bind resolve myhost AND myhost.mynet.local? |
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| 09:12.53 | saulus | or is there a channel dedicated to server problems /bind problems? |
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| 09:13.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | saulus, like #bind ? |
| 09:14.03 | themill | saulus: I'll take a stab that you either need to set the "search" correctly in /etc/resolv.conf or add the entry to /etc/hosts. |
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| 09:15.30 | Caelum | did the apt keys change? |
| 09:15.37 | Caelum | I'm getting untrusted packages warnings |
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| 09:16.04 | themill | dpkg: tell Caelum about new archive key |
| 09:16.13 | tuv | themill: apt-show-versions is much faster than aptitude search |
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| 09:17.16 | themill | tuv: the behaviour of apt-show-versions is very very weird if you have extra things in your sources.list (iinm, it doesn't understand pinning). |
| 09:18.37 | themill | tuv: btw I'm not sure what it is that you're creating here, but you might want to have a look at "cron-apt" if this is for servers or "update-manager" if this is for a desktop. |
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| 09:20.43 | saulus | themill: /etc/resolv.conf is not used by default. I can enforce this with dig +search myhost. But squid is invoking dig, so I need to tell dig to always do 'dig +search myhost'. The man page only tells about ${HOME}/.digrc, but I need some kind of global /etc/digrc. But this doesnt work |
| 09:20.46 | tuv | themill: oh i have pinning and 'apt-show-versions | grep upgradeable | wc -l' gives the same number as 'aptitude search ~U | wc -l' |
| 09:21.00 | tuv | themill: i'm aware of these.. thanks for the suggestion though |
| 09:21.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | also grep foo |wc -l is redundant. grep -c foo. |
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| 09:25.02 | stuNNed | in Debian is it normal for users in /etc/passwd to have /bin/sh as their shell when in fact it should be /bin/nologon, say for amavis user..? |
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| 09:29.25 | nkuttler | stuNNed: i'd assume it has sh for some reason |
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| 09:29.46 | nkuttler | actually, mine has /bin/false |
| 09:29.59 | stuNNed | nkuttler: for amavis in debian? |
| 09:30.01 | nkuttler | no, forget that |
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| 09:30.34 | stuNNed | nkuttler: do you have user irc with /bin/sh? ack! |
| 09:31.03 | nkuttler | yeah |
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| 09:32.42 | mrp | peterS: it is installed and is the latest version? |
| 09:34.21 | stuNNed | nkuttler: i guess it has something to do with debconf |
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| 09:42.10 | JJOliver | Hi, I'm kinda new to linux and have installed Lenny to act as a webserver which it is doing splendidly. I also have set up ssh so i can remotely connect to the server. I would like to add a user to the server so that when i give out the ssh details purely for updating the webserver, all that user can access is the /srv/web director tree |
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| 09:42.21 | JJOliver | Any suggestions as to how I'd do that? |
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| 09:43.52 | cyberninja | JJOliver: is /srv/web like where your web pages stored |
| 09:44.00 | JJOliver | cyberninja: yeah |
| 09:44.12 | nkuttler | JJOliver: debian isn't configured that way. the user will be able to 'access' more stuff |
| 09:44.22 | JJOliver | cyberninja: /srv is my 500GB hd for web server and will be my SMB fileshare |
| 09:44.23 | nkuttler | JJOliver: however, he won't be able to write much |
| 09:44.37 | JJOliver | nkuttler: why/ |
| 09:44.38 | cyberninja | JJOliver: i use a chroot environment |
| 09:44.39 | JJOliver | ? |
| 09:44.42 | nkuttler | !why |
| 09:44.42 | dpkg | Because! |
| 09:44.48 | h00n | Use a chroot jail |
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| 09:45.28 | JJOliver | cool thanks cyberninja and h00n I'll read up on chroot |
| 09:45.32 | JJOliver | +jail. |
| 09:45.39 | h00n | np. :) |
| 09:45.44 | h00n | Dont drop the soap <3 |
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| 09:46.06 | cyberninja | my turn now can someone help me. i cant get limits.conf to work for chroot |
| 09:46.18 | h00n | *runs* |
| 09:46.56 | JJOliver | h00n: thanks . . . I think. |
| 09:47.10 | Spida | h00n: chroot JAIL? are you talking about linux? |
| 09:47.41 | h00n | Yes? |
| 09:48.03 | Spida | h00n: last time I checked, there were about a dozen ways to break out of chroot... |
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| 09:48.45 | h00n | Yeah I know |
| 09:48.56 | h00n | It was only an option. |
| 09:49.05 | Spida | most require root privileges, but if I just want to be protected from a user, file-system permisssions would be enough |
| 09:49.11 | h00n | What do you think Spida? I'm interested on the subject. |
| 09:49.16 | h00n | Yeah that's what I thought |
| 09:49.25 | Spida | chroot isn't a security feature |
| 09:49.35 | h00n | But implementing it would be a little, eh. |
| 09:49.35 | Spida | it wasn't intended as such, and it isn't one |
| 09:49.45 | h00n | Yeah |
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| 09:50.33 | Spida | if you want security, use the grsecurity patches for chroot (they are nice if you want to know which ways exist to get out of chroot, too) (I don't know if they are maintained anymore) |
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| 09:50.54 | Spida | or use some virtualization (breakout are said to exist there, too |
| 09:50.57 | Spida | ) |
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| 09:51.21 | Spida | or use something like selinux |
| 09:51.47 | cyberninja | i need security for my chroot. e.g. limit the ammount of proccesses that can be run with limits.conf it just doesnt wanna work |
| 09:52.37 | Spida | but for JJOlivers question, a user with an ssh-accoutn with a fixed command (scponly, gitosis, ...) would provide some solution |
| 09:53.23 | h00n | cyberninja i bet that could be resolved by googling |
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| 09:54.26 | cyberninja | h00n: thats what i thought. ofcourse ppl google before asking on irc. thats why im asking |
| 09:55.47 | cyberninja | limits.conf works just fine. i just cant get chrooted users to be limited |
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| 09:58.19 | h00n | o |
| 09:58.21 | h00n | idk |
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| 10:00.18 | paxcoder | when will qt apps look gnome-ish already? |
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| 10:02.28 | monzie | paxcoder: you can theme them that way |
| 10:02.30 | themill | When will gnome apps stop being fugly on my nice pretty kde? |
| 10:02.31 | nkuttler | paxcoder: when you built the template? or use that qt-gtk bridge theme or whatever there is |
| 10:03.17 | paxcoder | nkuttler: monzie: they say in new versions it's default behavior, no need for qt-gtk, so I ask when will that come to me? |
| 10:03.35 | monzie | paxcoder: i have no idea when it'll come to you :P |
| 10:03.46 | paxcoder | squeeze |
| 10:03.58 | nkuttler | why should gnome mimic kde... pfff |
| 10:04.12 | paxcoder | nkuttler: huh? |
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| 10:09.30 | PiousMinion | Is there any gain or loss by applying a filesystem directly to a drive versus using a partition table? |
| 10:09.54 | paxcoder | not only is everything broken lately http://pastebin.com/m10528d78 (and noone seems able to help), i'm also forced to wait qt update, as well as gnuradio dependencies being removed from non-free repo |
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| 10:10.52 | nkuttler | paxcoder: testing. that's how it is in testing.. |
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| 10:11.18 | themill | paxcoder: 1. welcome to testing. 2. aptitude install reportbug. 3. send patches |
| 10:11.26 | PiousMinion | yeah, just read he was using squeeze and though to myself "....and?" lol |
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| 10:11.55 | kripz | Any body know of any software that can run as a daemon and log my eth0 traffic and graph it etc, i need to analyze usage throughout the day/week/month etc |
| 10:12.12 | paxcoder | themill: nkuttler: if i knew what it was, i'd fix it. |
| 10:12.25 | paxcoder | it's just strange noone else seems to report it. |
| 10:12.40 | PiousMinion | kripz: idk about as a "daemon", but there's "lanmap" and "nmap". |
| 10:12.48 | themill | So one should always consider pebkac. |
| 10:12.54 | paxcoder | however, i did contact the gnuradio maintainer, but am still waiting. |
| 10:12.57 | nkuttler | paxcoder: you don't need to fix it. an elaborated bug report is a good start. |
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| 10:13.39 | paxcoder | themill: i'd have to be able to send e-mail from my pc to be able to use reportbug, correct? |
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| 10:14.18 | themill | paxcoder: you can save the report to a temp file and then send it from your gmail account |
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| 10:14.36 | paxcoder | k |
| 10:15.19 | themill | or configure either your mta or reportbug to use the gmail smtp servers |
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| 10:17.10 | SavMyDreams | http://savemydreams.blogspot.com/ |
| 10:17.18 | paxcoder | themill: as for gnuradio being labled non-free even though his dependencies aren't anymore (the compiler used to compiled them became GPL'ed), should I report that too or just wait the maintainer update it? |
| 10:17.34 | paxcoder | (because i did talk to him directly, as I said) |
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| 10:20.36 | themill | paxcoder: gnuradio looks like a pretty crufty and unmaintained package. I wouldn't hold your breath for it to do anything any time soon |
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| 10:30.32 | paxcoder | themill: network-manager-gnome bug has been reported twice already. -_- |
| 10:31.22 | Imran-UK | hifi, i have a server which is not booting with the latest kernel (2.6.26-2-686). it only boots with the kernel from etch: 2.6.18-6-k7 . it is debian lenny. the server freezes at boot after a fsck of the boot partition. |
| 10:31.24 | ChrisW | hi all, is there command line tool to look up the ip for a mac address on a local network? |
| 10:32.29 | Imran-UK | i had an idea that it might be because the cpu is "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+" and the new kernel is i686 - but apparantly debian have unified support for both intel and amd in the i686 image (linux-image-2.6.26-2-686) |
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| 10:35.09 | paxcoder | volume applet is part of gnome-applets, correct? |
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| 10:44.05 | monzie | is that "ubuntu kills laptop hard drives" bug fixed? |
| 10:44.37 | monzie | sorry, wrong room :) |
| 10:44.55 | oma | :) |
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| 10:49.00 | PiousMinion | Anyone know how to handle an encrypted root partition on a headless box? sshd in initrd maybe? |
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| 11:00.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | is there a 'lightweight' version of apache2 shipped? iirc its not very heavy on ram to start with, but thought i'd ask |
| 11:01.11 | monzie | lighthttpd? |
| 11:01.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | (i'd just use lighthttpd, but i dont know how well trac works with it) |
| 11:01.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe. snap. |
| 11:01.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | guess fastcgi would be ok |
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| 11:02.48 | sandman | How does one set a null password for a user? Such that the only way to login as said user would be through su via root |
| 11:03.20 | petemc | passwd -l |
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| 11:04.43 | sandman | Okay, that works. So it just adds a ! to the beginning of the password field in /etc/shadow. Question, though: It seems a lot of those accounts in there have a * for a password field. |
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| 11:04.49 | sandman | Would that also work? |
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| 11:05.45 | sandman | Especially given that apparently, passwd -l still allows you to login to the account via another authentication token |
| 11:05.52 | arafangion2 | Why can't I ssh? I get an error: PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 |
| 11:06.06 | petemc | sandman: do you have other authentication systems available? |
| 11:06.19 | sandman | Yes, ssh. |
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| 11:06.30 | sandman | I think that counts... |
| 11:06.39 | kripz | how can i find files? |
| 11:06.44 | petemc | sandman: only with a key |
| 11:06.51 | sandman | See, basically I just wanted to create a separate account for civserver |
| 11:07.12 | petemc | a common way to do that is set the shell to something unusable |
| 11:07.19 | sandman | I wanted to contribute to the metaserver by hosting a civserver. But I thought it might be wise to run the civserver under another user |
| 11:07.26 | petemc | like /bin/false |
| 11:07.28 | sandman | I see. |
| 11:07.45 | petemc | look in /etc/passwd |
| 11:08.14 | sandman | I see what you're talking about |
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| 11:10.08 | k1ckn1ck | hi, i'm currently having problems updating my debian 4.0 box, due to a keysigning problem. Is there a public keyserver? |
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| 11:10.37 | petemc | !etch key |
| 11:10.37 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update |
| 11:12.09 | k1ckn1ck | ty |
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| 11:13.48 | arafangion2 | Could anyone help me set up gitosis? I have tried for HOURS yesterday and gitosis refuses to work. :( |
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| 11:16.12 | k1ckn1ck | i am trying to update security and ti doesnt appear to be working |
| 11:16.50 | petemc | k1ckn1ck: you dont have it pointed to stable, do you? |
| 11:17.05 | k1ckn1ck | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 11:17.23 | k1ckn1ck | do i need it pointing to lenny instead o etch |
| 11:17.25 | sandman | Incidentally, adduser --system <user> works just as intended. |
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| 11:17.43 | sandman | Automatically puts * in the crypt field in /etc/shadow, and sets /bin/false as the shell in /etc/passwd. |
| 11:17.50 | petemc | k1ckn1ck: etch should still be getting updates |
| 11:17.59 | sandman | But, as usual, there are a hundred ways to skin as cat in *nix =) |
| 11:18.11 | svenx | can i see package build status somewhere? i'm waiting for libxcb-icccm1 for i386. amd64/hurd/kfreebds is already in the repos |
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| 11:21.46 | sandman | Okay, so with adduser --system civserver, the _only way_ to login as civserver would be from root by running su -s /bin/<shell> civserver |
| 11:21.52 | sandman | Is this accurate? |
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| 11:23.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | why do you need to do it manually? |
| 11:24.22 | sandman | To actually run the server heh |
| 11:24.26 | sandman | the civserver, that is |
| 11:24.37 | sandman | I've never run a civserver that automaticlaly restarts and all that stuff |
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| 11:24.43 | sandman | I just wanted to contribute to the freeciv metaserver |
| 11:25.06 | PointMan | Where can I find a administrators guide to keeping debian up-to-date and safe? |
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| 11:25.24 | JohnWittle | Anyone use tint2? |
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| 11:26.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | sandman, ah, a general public server? dont think the package sets that stuff up. |
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| 11:26.11 | freaky_t | hi all i got a question. there was a upgrade to a newer kernel - linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 2.6.26-15lenny3 - i did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade ... but the new kernel isn't added to /boot/grub/menu.lst ... is this normal? |
| 11:26.32 | gladideg | No matter what I do, I can't login to my newly setup ProFTPD server. I've added a user with a 4 letter password, setup AuthOrder to mod_auth_unix.c, but I get "incorrect password" all times for 1 hour. I need help! :) |
| 11:26.52 | svenx | gladideg: check the log. enable debugging if necessary. |
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| 11:27.20 | gladideg | svenx, my log only tells me that that it's incorrect password for any given user I try |
| 11:27.26 | gladideg | but I'll try debugging it |
| 11:27.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | PointMan, looked at the wiki? |
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| 11:28.00 | PointMan | Kamping_Kaiser: nope not yet, I figured it was such an common question there would be articles u guys could point me to :) |
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| 11:30.35 | adb | !tell PointMan about security |
| 11:30.47 | JJOliver | Hi, how do i change my IP address from manual to DHCP on lenny? |
| 11:31.04 | k1ckn1ck | i'm getting errors durign apt-get update from the security.debian.org |
| 11:31.05 | k1ckn1ck | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 11:31.19 | PointMan | adb: thats all thats to it? |
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| 11:31.35 | k1ckn1ck | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/updates/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.36 80] |
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| 11:33.55 | macrobat | JJOliver, you can use dhclient as root for dhcp, i forgot if there are files to change |
| 11:35.19 | adb | PointMan: it's ok for me .. |
| 11:35.47 | PointMan | whats the name of the current stable release? lenny? |
| 11:35.55 | adb | y |
| 11:36.06 | PointMan | lol really? |
| 11:36.09 | PointMan | it was a shot in the dark |
| 11:36.10 | k1ckn1ck | yes |
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| 11:37.21 | JJOliver | macrobat: thanks |
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| 11:37.23 | macrobat | freaky_t, i had to explicitly install the new kernel, then it was added to menu.lst |
| 11:38.04 | freaky_t | macrobat ok thank you :) |
| 11:38.22 | arafangion2 | How do I find out the full list of users who can login to my server? (via ssh only) |
| 11:38.34 | k1ckn1ck | found the solution, its now http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ |
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| 11:42.20 | kamathln | http://pastebin.com/m1f50e323 .. I got this error . what kind of an error is that? and How do I report it. |
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| 11:44.48 | gnewb | Greetings |
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| 11:45.55 | gladideg | Proftpd is not reading my passwd correct..... dispatching CMD command 'USER myuser' to mod_auth ...... USER myuser (Login failed): Incorrect password. I'm sure it's correct password, tried re-adding the user with new pass. Still same error |
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| 11:47.36 | lxsameer_ | hi , i have a intel core 2 duo t9300 cpu on my laptop . which one is faster and better for me , using 32bit debian or 64bit debian? |
| 11:47.52 | CcK | hi, i'm a slackware user, and i'm curious about deian, i'm installing one right now, i was wondering how i could upgrade my softwares with it (main reason why i want to switch) if i have lets say apache installed and a new version comes out, what happens on apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 11:48.55 | gnewb | gladideg: I do not know Proftpd, but did you try adding a new user,new pass? |
| 11:48.57 | maligor | CcK, pure stable wouldn't have updates that way |
| 11:49.13 | CcK | maligor: meaning ? |
| 11:49.27 | maligor | CcK, stable is a frozen system that only gets security updates |
| 11:49.31 | CcK | ok |
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| 11:49.46 | maligor | there's backports but I don't know if it gets apache |
| 11:49.53 | gladideg | gnewb, I tried again and it automagically worked... geez :D |
| 11:49.56 | CcK | and after a while, how do you get to more recent versions |
| 11:50.08 | maligor | testing and unstable get new packages until they have feature freeze for next stable |
| 11:50.15 | gnewb | gladideg: Yipee! |
| 11:50.20 | gladideg | i feel stupid |
| 11:50.21 | gladideg | haha |
| 11:50.38 | CcK | the equivalent of my slack would be testing right ? |
| 11:50.54 | CcK | i mean i dl the last version compile it and just check for security updates |
| 11:50.57 | maligor | I haven't used slackware for ages, so can't comment |
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| 11:51.27 | maligor | I don't really know testing policy to tell the truth |
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| 11:51.51 | CcK | well could you describe how debian users install/upgrade software ? |
| 11:52.14 | maligor | aptitude install apache2 ;) |
| 11:52.18 | CcK | i've read about it, but i'm ot really sure to get it, seems to be very variable |
| 11:52.26 | CcK | and after 2 years ? |
| 11:52.44 | maligor | same pretty much |
| 11:52.57 | CcK | aptitude upgrade apache2 ? |
| 11:53.03 | themill | CcK: there's nothing really to get. aptitude install blah ; aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade |
| 11:53.11 | OpenTokix | CcK: Are you comparing slackware to debian? |
| 11:53.16 | themill | CcK: upgrade doesn't take any arguments |
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| 11:53.31 | CcK | not comparing, i want to switch to have less things to do to maintan my servers |
| 11:53.43 | OpenTokix | CcK: You main problem is, what are you going to do with all your spare time. |
| 11:53.46 | maligor | stable is probably the best option for a real server |
| 11:53.47 | CcK | ok so it actually does automatic upgrades |
| 11:54.00 | maligor | it doesn't do automatic updates by default, but you can do that |
| 11:54.06 | CcK | OpenTokix: lol i've got much already to do, that's why i'd like to switch ;) |
| 11:54.21 | CcK | is it safe ? ( i'm not much of an automatic stuff guy ) |
| 11:54.23 | themill | CcK: fsvo automatic. Manual intervention is required but everything that can be upgraded is. For a server, stick to stable |
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| 11:54.49 | maligor | CcK, anyway, stable will get backported security patches |
| 11:54.55 | themill | CcK: stable is unchanging so updates rarely break stuff. Stick to stable if you want safe. /msg dpkg stable |
| 11:55.04 | CcK | cool |
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| 11:55.36 | CcK | so if i stick to stable i will just aptitude upgrade to get the security fixes, no dl/compile/test, am i right ? |
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| 11:55.53 | themill | you might want to keep the "test" bit in there.... |
| 11:56.11 | CcK | ;) ok, still a time saver :) |
| 11:56.16 | maligor | and if you want additional security, SELinux is always a good idea ;) |
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| 11:56.57 | lord_rob | Hi ! I suppose this question has already been asked many times, but what about mktemp in Sid which is going to be deleted when I upgrade (replaced by coreutils 7.4-1) ? |
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| 11:57.06 | CcK | what about configures ? i've seen you can atitude the sources but can you do something like apt-get with your own configure, but still getting the advantages of auto updates/uninstall and all ? |
| 11:57.41 | CcK | SELinux ? i think i've seen that on a ubuntu, i'll check to see what it is exactly |
| 11:58.29 | gnewb | SELinux is a very good thing for servers and desktops. |
| 11:58.30 | themill | CcK: config files shouldn't be touched by upgrades and since stable will have the same version of the software, you shouldn't need to reconfigure things after an update. |
| 11:58.31 | OpenTokix | CcK: you install, mess around with the config - and apt will ask if you wanna change it or not (default not) |
| 11:58.55 | CcK | oh no i meant having your own compiling options |
| 11:59.05 | CcK | ./configure -blabla |
| 11:59.10 | themill | CcK: never really felt the need to have them |
| 11:59.23 | OpenTokix | CcK: why? |
| 11:59.35 | OpenTokix | me neither |
| 12:00.03 | CcK | well to make thins lighter, i have to admit i'm not sure of the benefits, but as i compile my soft on slack, it only takes a second to pass arguments anyway :p |
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| 12:00.39 | themill | CcK: sometimes packages are set up with multiple flavours should there really be a need, but it's pretty rare that the defaults aren't sensible |
| 12:00.44 | CcK | that's why i'm asking :) i know it's a different approach, my onyl wish is to save time with upgrades and not have outdated servers like some i have because it's jsut to long to reinstall |
| 12:00.45 | maligor | CcK, selinux is a added security layer on system access |
| 12:00.46 | OpenTokix | CcK: unless your servers are hotted up toasters, I think you will be ok |
| 12:01.01 | CcK | they are not :) |
| 12:01.13 | maligor | it's meant to help plug security holes in programs |
| 12:01.26 | lxsameer_ | hi , i have a intel core 2 duo t9300 cpu on my laptop . which one is faster and better for me , using 32bit debian or 64bit debian? |
| 12:01.27 | CcK | ok well i suppose i'll play with it and discover it while doing so :) |
| 12:01.40 | CcK | i love the lvm option on install, that's jsut a time saver there :D |
| 12:01.40 | maligor | it's a bit difficult to get your head around at first tho |
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| 12:01.55 | CcK | yeah i'm confused about the whole thing |
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| 12:02.47 | CcK | but so far i like the small install size by default, and the spirit seems good, i mean you have to create a user, things like that :) |
| 12:02.55 | gnewb | lxsameer: i386? |
| 12:03.18 | OpenTokix | lxsameer_: depends on how much ram you have, and if you think its very very annoying to pull home one flash.so beta manually |
| 12:03.39 | CcK | while being on stable, can you install one soft that "isn't" ? |
| 12:03.41 | lxsameer_ | OpenTokix: i have 2 Gb of ram |
| 12:03.47 | OpenTokix | lxsameer_: 32bit |
| 12:03.55 | maligor | CcK, you mean software from testing/unstable? |
| 12:03.56 | lxsameer_ | OpenTokix: thanks alot |
| 12:04.02 | themill | CcK: best plan is to make a backport -- /msg dpkg backports |
| 12:04.04 | maligor | CcK, you can do it, but it's not really a good idea |
| 12:04.14 | abrotman | lxsameer_: better does not mean faster |
| 12:04.16 | themill | CcK: Come backports are available from backports.org already |
| 12:04.32 | CcK | backports, ok i'll see what that is |
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| 12:04.40 | lxsameer_ | abrotman: so which is faster? |
| 12:04.53 | abrotman | lxsameer_: faster does not mean better :) |
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| 12:05.15 | maligor | 64bit is probably faster |
| 12:05.38 | gnewb | lxsammer_: Try the 32bit, then the 64bit, choice is still free. |
| 12:05.40 | maligor | but you get some interesting issues with it |
| 12:05.46 | CcK | oh backports seems to be exactly what i meant, thanks |
| 12:06.24 | CcK | thanks for all the fast answers btw ;) |
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| 12:06.37 | abrotman | lxsameer_: unless you have a good reason, use 32bit |
| 12:07.09 | maligor | yeah, especially if you wan to use any commercial software on it |
| 12:07.14 | maligor | like certain games |
| 12:07.25 | gnewb | I agree with the 32bit |
| 12:07.38 | qwertz | Hi, I've a tv card with a /dev/video0 device. most apps expect a /dev/video so I made a symlink. but after reboot the symlink is gone - any way to get it permanent? |
| 12:08.02 | Alam_Lenny | qwertz, yes |
| 12:08.10 | maligor | qwertz, /etc/udev/links.conf |
| 12:08.27 | qwertz | maligor, thanks will have a look |
| 12:08.30 | maligor | oh... sorry |
| 12:08.35 | maligor | that seems to be a non-existant file |
| 12:08.51 | maligor | or on my system it refers to a non-existant directory, weird |
| 12:08.55 | maligor | must be sidism |
| 12:09.17 | Alam_Lenny | make a file called /etc/udev/rules.d/51-v4l.rules |
| 12:09.43 | maligor | qwertz, follow his advise |
| 12:09.45 | Alam_Lenny | KERNEL=="video*", ATTR{name}=="foobar?", SYMLINK="video" |
| 12:09.48 | gnewb | The radeon card, sound, 3D is not 'seen' by this, is that an lspci thing? |
| 12:09.56 | qwertz | thanks Alam_Lenny |
| 12:10.18 | Alam_Lenny | replace foobar with the device name |
| 12:10.27 | Alam_Lenny | I hope that will work for you |
| 12:10.52 | CcK | it's quite weird to fun like a complete newbie again, the startup scripts are weird, even configure the network is just amazingly new to me, and i had lilo instead of grub, luckily enough the kernel's the same :D |
| 12:11.11 | mrp | W: GPG error: http://ftp2.de.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 12:11.12 | Alam_Lenny | you can test by /etc/init.d/udev reload and unload and reload the v4l module for that card |
| 12:11.15 | mrp | how do i fix that? |
| 12:11.26 | abrotman | mrp: install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 12:12.10 | maligor | CcK, yeah, I moved from slackware to debian too, but that was 8 years ago or so |
| 12:12.13 | maligor | or 10 |
| 12:12.20 | mrp | abrotman: sweet thanks |
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| 12:12.31 | CcK | hum first start, it's frozen on starting mta :D |
| 12:12.36 | mrp | does anyone know where i can make up a more suitable sourcees.list with closer mirrors? |
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| 12:12.53 | CcK | waouw, that was amazingly slow, exim is a heavy badass or what ? |
| 12:12.55 | maligor | CcK, probably lack of configured inet iface |
| 12:13.49 | CcK | again, new to me, never used exim, only postfix :D seems like slack and debian like to do stuff differently :D |
| 12:13.59 | maligor | you can install postfix |
| 12:14.39 | CcK | i don't know, what's the difference with exim? never used it, and barely heard of it |
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| 12:15.29 | abrotman | CcK: it might be having dns issues |
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| 12:15.39 | azeem | CcK: wow, are you saying that Slackware doesn't use sendmail as MTA? |
| 12:15.41 | azeem | sellout |
| 12:16.00 | CcK | it's not plugged to a network, that must explain it, some timeout |
| 12:16.07 | CcK | azeem: ?! |
| 12:16.15 | CcK | i was reffering to exim |
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| 12:17.00 | bawok | hello i try install eggdrop on debian but why i run bot says like this Can't load modules compress: /home/webadmin/eggdrop/modules/compress.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 12:17.01 | azeem | CcK: you said you were using postfix |
| 12:17.05 | CcK | yes |
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| 12:17.29 | azeem | bawok: the installation looks broken |
| 12:17.37 | CcK | well in any way, it's not exim ;) so it is different :) |
| 12:17.44 | JNSamuel | bawok: compile it |
| 12:20.27 | CcK | well i must be a pain lover, i start on a brand new distro with a computer that has no acces to ethernet, with a shitty wifi card, i just need so latex to complete the picture :D i think it's time to rtfm :D |
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| 12:20.31 | Arafangion | What's the difference between dsa and rsa in terms of ssh, and which is better (and which is the default) in ssh? |
| 12:20.55 | azeem | Arafangion: these days, RSA is recommended |
| 12:21.06 | azeem | for more information, see e.g. wikipedia I guess |
| 12:21.28 | Arafangion | azeem: let me guess, dsa is default? |
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| 12:21.48 | azeem | I'm not sure there's a default even |
| 12:21.52 | azeem | you could check |
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| 12:22.53 | Arafangion | azeem: Looks like rsa is default, nice. :) |
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| 12:28.33 | SURFkees | In a debian control file, how can I set a dependancy to always pick openvpn 2.0* ? |
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| 12:29.40 | ranix | /etc/apt-preferences |
| 12:29.45 | ranix | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 12:29.56 | ranix | /etc/apt/preferences rather |
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| 12:30.27 | azeem | SURFkees: add a versioned Depends on it |
| 12:30.37 | azeem | like <packagename> (>= VERSION) |
| 12:31.04 | SURFkees | ah sorry, I was refering to packaging. I've tried: openvpn (<< 2.1) |
| 12:31.16 | SURFkees | but it installed 2.1~rc11 nonetheless |
| 12:31.28 | ranix | aah sorry, I didn't catch the 'control file' meaning |
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| 12:32.10 | LuciusMare | hello |
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| 12:32.40 | LuciusMare | do you know any good multiclient im that can do xmpp and irc? |
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| 12:33.21 | azeem | LuciusMare: do you use irssi for IRC? |
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| 12:33.54 | martin123456 | I have a "HP Compaq nx 7400" laptop(Celeron M 1.73GHz; 512MB RAM; 80GB HDD; Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS graphics) and it boots Debian Lenny to GDM 4,5 minutes. Another nearly 5 minutes goes for starting Gnome. During boot time there is no timeout or something like that...everything just goes slowly..it is like CPU works not on 1.73GHz. but 200MHz. Any ideas? |
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| 12:34.19 | azeem | martin123456: please don't cross-post questions |
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| 12:35.32 | LuciusMare_ | azeem: cross-post? |
| 12:36.03 | azeem | LuciusMare_: asking the same question in #debian on OFTC and Freenode |
| 12:36.09 | LuciusMare_ | oh |
| 12:36.11 | themill | LuciusMare_: post the same question in several places at the same time (/msg dpkg multiple ask) |
| 12:36.21 | LuciusMare_ | thank you |
| 12:36.52 | LuciusMare_ | well,does anybody know any good,not hw hungry im program that can do xmpp and irc? |
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| 12:37.03 | azeem | 14:31 < azeem> LuciusMare: do you use irssi for IRC? |
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| 12:37.17 | LuciusMare_ | oh,i wasnt there,sorry |
| 12:37.18 | LuciusMare_ | yes,i do |
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| 12:37.45 | mahesh_c | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:37.59 | azeem | LuciusMare_: then maybe look at bitlbee |
| 12:38.03 | mahesh_c | its says "invalid password" while unlock |
| 12:38.13 | azeem | depending on what XMPP features you want/need |
| 12:38.13 | mahesh_c | i am using pam with ldap |
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| 12:38.29 | mahesh_c | my dist is lenny |
| 12:38.37 | LuciusMare_ | azeem: MUC,file transfer. |
| 12:38.44 | azeem | what is MUC? |
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| 12:38.51 | LuciusMare_ | azeem: multi user chat |
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| 12:38.53 | azeem | ok |
| 12:38.59 | azeem | then probably bitlbee isn't for you |
| 12:39.06 | LuciusMare_ | azeem: and best,more things in tabsw |
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| 12:39.31 | azeem | tabsw? |
| 12:39.31 | TalkSoup | Hello. In general, how do you tell if hardwere node doesn't appear in /dev/ because of lack of kernel driver, or because of problem in udev? |
| 12:39.34 | lish | i use bitlbee is realy good:) |
| 12:39.41 | azeem | TalkSoup: look at the kernel messages; e.g. via dmesg |
| 12:39.51 | azeem | if the kernel recognizes it, it might be a udev issue |
| 12:40.12 | mahesh_c | hello , some one can pls help me on this ? |
| 12:40.25 | TalkSoup | azeerm that's exactly my problem. I don't know what is "kernel recognizes it". for USB device kernel seems to be always able to tell exactly what it is while not able to use it. |
| 12:40.27 | LuciusMare | azeem: mistyped tabs :) |
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| 12:41.21 | LuciusMare | like pidgin,but it is hw hungry and on gtk |
| 12:41.32 | TalkSoup | dmesg |
| 12:41.32 | azeem | TalkSoup: USB devices usually need application support |
| 12:41.39 | azeem | LuciusMare: no idea |
| 12:42.00 | LuciusMare | aw |
| 12:42.05 | LuciusMare | so the tabs,dont care about them |
| 12:42.13 | TalkSoup | azeem: e.g. "scsi 1:0:0:0: Direct-Access EPSON Stylus Storage 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2" |
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| 12:42.51 | TalkSoup | azeem: so it knows the device, but nothing appear in /dev/usblp or /dev/usb/. Should I start to fight kernel driver or to fight udev? |
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| 12:43.17 | azeem | TalkSoup: it's trivial to read out the device name via USB |
| 12:43.31 | azeem | knowing about the device doesn't mean it knows how to talk to the device |
| 12:43.53 | TalkSoup | azeem that's my question, how do you know if kernel knows how to talk to the device or it simply reads the name... |
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| 12:44.39 | TalkSoup | azeem for 5 years I never figured this out. and thus never able to handle usb device except by trial and luck. |
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| 12:46.00 | alinuxd555555556 | hi I got this strange issue..when I start the server I only get eth1 although I have 3 network cards....at first boot eth1 was the first eth card from top on second boot it was the second card from top... |
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| 12:47.49 | nkuttler | alinuxd555555556: check dmesg, /var/log/messages, and the ifrename package |
| 12:47.54 | ootput | alinuxd555555556: use udev rules to attach names to drivers (by MAC address) for persistent-net.rules |
| 12:48.07 | LuciusMare | good |
| 12:48.09 | LuciusMare | brb |
| 12:48.33 | TalkSoup | Hi. A quick google made me more confused. how can you get the .config file from a running kernel? |
| 12:48.54 | TalkSoup | except reads /usr/src/linux/.config which does not exist on my host |
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| 12:49.16 | Alam_Lenny | TalkSoup, look in /boot |
| 12:49.38 | TalkSoup | Alam_Lenny: you assume I use grub or lilo. no I don't |
| 12:49.43 | alinuxd555555556 | ootput, the thing is that it only recognizes eth1...ifconfig eth0 up or ifconfig eth2 up give no such device...and on each reboot eth1 is a different network card |
| 12:49.50 | TalkSoup | Alam_Lenny: I use a special hardware... |
| 12:49.52 | alinuxd555555556 | ootput, I want htem all to be recognized properly |
| 12:50.06 | azeem | TalkSoup: do you use a stock kernel? |
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| 12:50.29 | Alam_Lenny | if you install the kernel by apt, they drop a config-#-#.## in /boot |
| 12:50.40 | ootput | alinuxd555555556: like I said, create persistent rules for device based on MAC address, unless MAC changes at boot |
| 12:50.41 | azeem | TalkSoup: if you do, the .config is in /boot, it has nothing to do with GRUB or lilo |
| 12:50.42 | TalkSoup | azeem not sure. this is a special hardware, lemote computer based on mips cpu. the kernel likely be compiled by the manufacturer |
| 12:51.00 | alinuxd555555556 | ootput, no it does not change of course |
| 12:51.03 | azeem | TalkSoup: I don't think there's a standard way to get the .config of a running kernel |
| 12:51.10 | azeem | ask the manufacterur |
| 12:51.11 | TalkSoup | azeem: ls: cannot access /boo: No such file or directory |
| 12:51.13 | alinuxd555555556 | ootput, http://pastebin.com/m671b052e |
| 12:51.16 | alinuxd555555556 | nkuttler, http://pastebin.com/m671b052e |
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| 12:51.39 | TalkSoup | azeem: no they are not that open. If you change kernel you are not supported because you modified the OS. |
| 12:51.54 | TalkSoup | azeem: I know it sounds stupid but I heard there is a command to fetch configuration from a running kernel |
| 12:51.57 | azeem | TalkSoup: then you won't get the config |
| 12:52.01 | themill | alinuxd555555556: can you also pastebin /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules for us? |
| 12:52.35 | TalkSoup | azeem I am thinking if I can get the config I know if the usb device driver is compiled. |
| 12:53.06 | alinuxd555555556 | themill, http://pastebin.com/m281672f5 |
| 12:53.25 | azeem | TalkSoup: dunno, maybe ask in #kernelnewbies or google |
| 12:53.28 | azeem | sounds off-topic to me |
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| 12:54.27 | uwjweq | Hi there, does a 64 bit system eat up more ram? So can a 32 bit system possibly be faster? |
| 12:54.41 | kamathln | Hi, i got this error while installing gtwitter .. http://pastebin.com/m1f50e323 what is this error ? and how do i reportthe bug ? |
| 12:54.43 | azeem | uwjweq: there's no general answer |
| 12:55.02 | azeem | uwjweq: indeed 64bit systems use more ram |
| 12:55.19 | stew | either can be faster depending on the application |
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| 12:55.41 | uwjweq | azeem: So when I am with 1024 on 64 bit it might be slower then 32. |
| 12:56.08 | stew | yes, and might be faster, depending on the particular software |
| 12:56.09 | azeem | kamathln: sounds like a usual unstable bug to me |
| 12:56.16 | ootput | 64bit registers |
| 12:56.27 | azeem | kamathln: check the BTS for both packages |
| 12:56.35 | kamathln | azeem: thanks , just waiting forthe next update is good enough> |
| 12:56.51 | kamathln | azeem: thx .. looks like a price to pay for gfetting the lates?? |
| 12:56.56 | themill | alinuxd555555556: that udev file looks pretty screwy. There are multiple devices being mapped to eth1 in there and it appears that they may be in the box at the same time |
| 12:56.59 | azeem | kamathln: indeed |
| 12:57.12 | kamathln | azeem: geez, thanks .. |
| 12:57.30 | alinuxd555555556 | themill, fair enough...can I replace it with an emtpy file ? |
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| 12:58.08 | themill | alinuxd555555556: if you want, you could work through it and only keep the devices that are actually present and enumerate them as eth{0,1,2} in the order that you actually want them. |
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| 12:58.29 | alinuxd555555556 | hmm.... |
| 12:58.33 | alinuxd555555556 | but how can I get the mac |
| 12:58.37 | alinuxd555555556 | if I am not able to see it ? |
| 12:58.47 | alinuxd555555556 | themill, how can I get he mac if the nic is not listed ? |
| 12:58.50 | azeem | alinuxd555555556: might be printed on the chip |
| 12:58.57 | azeem | or the mainboard |
| 12:59.19 | themill | alinuxd555555556: the MACs are in dmesg that you pastebinned |
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| 12:59.56 | alinuxd555555556 | themill, makes sense..stupid me :) |
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| 13:00.05 | ranix | your name is obnoxious |
| 13:00.11 | ranix | fyi |
| 13:00.16 | alinuxd555555556 | themill, once done..do I need to restart or the restart of a service is enough ? |
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| 13:00.38 | Arafangion | ranix: I've seen worse. (Hell, I was worse at one time) |
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| 13:00.58 | themill | alinuxd555555556: restarting the machine is probably the simplest way of testing that out |
| 13:01.03 | hevalbaranov | hi all. I'm trying to convert an avi video to mp4 using ffmpeg command but it gives me a stupid error: Unknown encoder 'mpeg4' |
| 13:01.09 | hevalbaranov | what can I do? |
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| 13:02.22 | hevalbaranov | here is the full output: http://pastebin.com/m7ba29b35 |
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| 13:02.44 | joeytwiddle | never tried ffmpeg - have used 'mencoder' and 'transcode' with success though |
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| 13:04.47 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 13:05.03 | cr3rzemjest | can i install x86 and then switch to amd64a? |
| 13:06.18 | cr3rzemjest | coz some fakin stupid idiot windows app (deepburner) deleted my debian image %$^&$&^% insead of burning it on dvd |
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| 13:06.52 | cr3rzemjest | dunno what kind of genius coded that |
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| 13:08.09 | kripz | cr3rzemjest, you will need to reinstall, you can backup your home directory and do some nifty things with aptitude to save your list of programs installed, reinstall the new one then just issue apt-get install or something and it will download all the previos apps you had. |
| 13:08.32 | Manu311 | hi, I've got a new laptop, but I have problem. The Touchpad is bad configured, I want 2 change that, but I can't start synclient or any other program. |
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| 13:09.18 | Manu311 | error: "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?" I simply just can't install SHMConfig |
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| 13:11.47 | hark | Manu311: which version of debian? |
| 13:11.47 | hevalbaranov | guys, please give a hand. how can i install mpeg4 in debian? |
| 13:11.51 | Manu311 | lenny |
| 13:12.17 | kripz | hevalbaranov, try apt-cache search mpeg4 |
| 13:12.19 | Manu311 | heval: add the media server to your apt-sources |
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| 13:13.01 | Noble | So I've got ssh tunnel working. Is it possible to forward ALL traffic through the tunnel without having to edit any proxy settings in my applications? |
| 13:13.10 | hevalbaranov | Manu311, what's media server? |
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| 13:14.14 | Manu311 | there are multiple servers |
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| 13:14.25 | Manu311 | http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 13:15.56 | hark | Manu311: man synaptics, add the shmconfig option to your xorg.conf |
| 13:16.05 | Manu311 | I did |
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| 13:16.09 | Manu311 | don't work |
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| 13:17.21 | hark | hevalbaranov: read the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/ffmpeg |
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| 13:17.49 | Manu311 | I just found out that "tpconfig" does output something |
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| 13:18.44 | Manu311 | but it doesn't help me much |
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| 13:21.55 | alinuxd555555556 | themill, thanks I got my network cards working fine now |
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| 13:22.09 | themill | alinuxd555555556: excellent! |
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| 13:23.55 | alinuxd555555556 | themill, I have a debian router and it has two network connections owrking in failover mode.......now I want to setup a failvoer router in case router 1 goes down |
| 13:24.09 | uwjweq | I found out that the system runs fast after an xserver restart. And gets slower with the time. Maybe iceweasel plugins or something are filling the ram. |
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| 13:24.33 | alinuxd555555556 | uwjweq, use top or htop to check memory usage |
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| 13:26.18 | uwjweq | Maybe one process monitor that can draw diagramms during the day? |
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| 13:32.04 | octane- | alinuxd555555556: like, openbsd carp? |
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| 13:32.36 | alinuxd555555556 | octane-, well I got debian servers..each with a network connectins...I want the up system to server internet ...in failover mode |
| 13:32.56 | octane- | alinuxd555555556: like, openbsd carp? |
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| 13:33.15 | alinuxd555555556 | octane-, let me check it |
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| 13:33.34 | alinuxd555555556 | octane-, yep |
| 13:33.40 | alinuxd555555556 | octane-, can this be applied to linux systems ? |
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| 13:38.51 | octane- | alinuxd555555556: ucarp. |
| 13:39.18 | alinuxd555555556 | octane-, thanks for the hint already googling and preparing setup :) |
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| 13:39.19 | alinuxd555555556 | thanks |
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| 13:39.36 | OpenTokix | alinuxd555555556: what does lspci say? |
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| 13:40.37 | OpenTokix | sorry |
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| 13:42.01 | alinuxd555555556 | OpenTokix, no need to be sorry for trying to help :) |
| 13:42.39 | octane- | alinuxd555555556: you're welcome - and good luck :) |
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| 13:43.50 | lou_gr | Hi. Is it Possible to move the / filesystem to another hd and boot from the other hd? |
| 13:43.50 | lou_gr | sorry copy |
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| 13:45.41 | tataloo | Hi, I have small LAN at home. Three machines (one is Debian) so is it possible to run SAMBA on Debian and to make it as file server that Windows can access? |
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| 13:45.56 | petemc | yes |
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| 13:46.30 | tataloo | level of experience to setup such plan? |
| 13:46.41 | petemc | 7 |
| 13:46.48 | tataloo | f*ck |
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| 13:47.17 | tataloo | any start points? |
| 13:47.20 | petemc | aptitude install samba |
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| 13:49.30 | Manu311 | I still have the problem about not beeing able to configure my new notebooks touchpad. Xorg.0.log says "AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint touchpad found" but gsynaptics reports: "You have to set SHMConfig true in xorg.conf or XFree86.conf to use GSynaptics". And synclient -i reports "Can't access shared memory area SHMConfig disabled?" I've set the line "Option "SHMConfig" "true"" inside xorg.conf and restarted, but it doesn't work. |
| 13:49.45 | jhambo | I'm using etch and trying to use a bluetooth mouse with Kbluetooth. I go to "Input devices" and I can see my mouse but when I click "Setup" I get an error: "Failed to create the input device MS notebook mouse 5000". How can I get my bluetooth mouse to work?? |
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| 13:56.34 | lo127 | I need the simplest possible ftp server, just for test purpose |
| 13:57.01 | lo127 | any sugestions? tried proftpd and vsftpd, hoping there is a more back to basic one |
| 13:57.27 | abrotman | they're both pretty simple |
| 13:57.31 | lo127 | I know |
| 13:58.07 | lo127 | I mean simple in the sense of basic |
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| 13:58.46 | abrotman | i know .. I mean, they're both pretty simple .. it's FTP |
| 13:58.51 | lo127 | I basically want to use it as a tftpd server for a in-hose written ftp client in a custom bootloader |
| 13:59.11 | lo127 | house* |
| 14:00.03 | uwjweq | lo127: There is no as simple as in "you don't have to read the manual" ftp server with debian so either you have to use windows or you rtm. |
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| 14:00.52 | eeebittin | Somone wanna help me with a QT related problem? |
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| 14:01.07 | abrotman | ask a better question |
| 14:01.12 | petemc | lo127: if you want tftp, use a tftp server |
| 14:01.29 | eeebittin | How do i reinstall QT as i by misstake deleted the thing ;( |
| 14:01.37 | abrotman | aptitude reinstall <pkg> |
| 14:01.41 | stew | lo127: note that tftp and ftp are completely different |
| 14:02.07 | eeebittin | what packages do i need for QT to work? |
| 14:02.09 | stew | well at least different |
| 14:02.29 | uwjweq | eeebittin: apt-cache search qt |
| 14:02.43 | OpenTokix | lo127: pure-ftpd? |
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| 14:04.01 | abrotman | eeebittin: which file did you delete? |
| 14:04.16 | eeebittin | don't know that who makes QT working |
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| 14:05.43 | eeebittin | http://paste.debian.net/38029/ |
| 14:06.01 | abrotman | eeebittin: that's a different problem |
| 14:06.25 | eeebittin | :o ok |
| 14:06.26 | abrotman | judd: versions libqtcore4 |
| 14:06.27 | judd | abrotman: libqtcore4 -- lenny: 4.4.3-1 sid: 4.5.1-2 squeeze: 4.5.1-2 |
| 14:06.39 | abrotman | you're running unstable ? |
| 14:06.46 | eeebittin | nope |
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| 14:07.03 | eeebittin | i tried to compile exprimental and failed :p |
| 14:07.18 | abrotman | tried to compile it? |
| 14:07.44 | eeebittin | install it from the deb i mean |
| 14:08.02 | eeebittin | but failed and poof QT was gone |
| 14:09.32 | eeebittin | also how do i update to 5.0.1? |
| 14:09.38 | abrotman | why would you try to use experimental ? |
| 14:09.49 | eeebittin | becouse it had a feture i wanted |
| 14:09.56 | abrotman | a feature? |
| 14:10.07 | eeebittin | yes |
| 14:10.18 | eeebittin | that i found in the vlc wiki |
| 14:10.28 | eeebittin | but i failed to fix it |
| 14:10.40 | abrotman | so you installed kde4 from unstable to get experimental? |
| 14:10.56 | eeebittin | nope i never installed kde |
| 14:11.16 | eeebittin | i was trying to install the QT 4.5 Exprimental package |
| 14:11.27 | azeem | eeebittin: Qt-4.5 is in testing/unstable now |
| 14:11.30 | eeebittin | and misserly failed |
| 14:11.52 | eeebittin | azeem ah ok how do i install it? |
| 14:12.24 | eeebittin | and this http://labs.trolltech.com/page/Projects/Styles/GtkStyle |
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| 14:12.36 | azeem | eeebittin: use apt-get e.g. |
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| 14:12.43 | azeem | or aptitude |
| 14:12.59 | eeebittin | yea but how do i delete my failed QT installation first? |
| 14:13.37 | azeem | eeebittin: how did you install it? |
| 14:13.48 | eeebittin | gdebi |
| 14:14.03 | azeem | uh-huh |
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| 14:14.13 | azeem | which version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:14.19 | eeebittin | 5.0 Lenny |
| 14:14.29 | azeem | you will have to upgrade to testing for Qt-4.5 |
| 14:14.37 | themill | (with a mixture of experimental and $deity knows what else) |
| 14:14.57 | eeebittin | azeem i can install only that package from testing |
| 14:15.03 | eeebittin | if somone tels me how i do :( |
| 14:15.03 | azeem | no |
| 14:16.10 | themill | !iyhtays |
| 14:16.10 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 14:16.55 | azeem | eeebittin: Qt-4.5 depends on other stuff not in Lenny |
| 14:17.10 | eeebittin | then i can fix them also from testing(?) |
| 14:17.22 | azeem | eeebittin: so either build packages for lenny (not advised for something as big as Qt), wait for a lenny-backport of Qt-4.5, or upgrade to squeeze/testing |
| 14:17.27 | eeebittin | or can i fix back the QT version i had before |
| 14:17.28 | CodeBlock | yay, done with school for the year! :D :D :D |
| 14:17.35 | azeem | eeebittin: or downgrade to 4.3, yes |
| 14:17.47 | eeebittin | how do i do that? |
| 14:18.01 | azeem | eeebittin: probably by removing all traces of Qt packages from your system, removing non-stable sources from your sources.list, and the installing Qt again |
| 14:18.05 | eeebittin | i think 4.3 is good enough if i got a working QT |
| 14:18.29 | eeebittin | where is the traces? |
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| 14:18.55 | azeem | remove all Qt packages |
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| 14:19.01 | eeebittin | ah by removing the QT pkgs |
| 14:19.57 | eeebittin | there we go |
| 14:20.02 | eeebittin | what package should i install then? |
| 14:20.22 | azeem | install the Qt application(s) you want to run |
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| 14:20.45 | eeebittin | i can't run QT apps without QT(?) |
| 14:21.12 | azeem | eeebittin: if you use apt-get or aptitude, the appropriate Qt packages will get installed alongside |
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| 14:21.25 | eeebittin | :o nice |
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| 14:21.28 | eeebittin | will check if it works then |
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| 14:23.33 | AunShah | hi every one |
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| 14:23.45 | eeebittin | i love you azeem |
| 14:23.51 | eeebittin | <3 |
| 14:23.53 | azeem | i love you too, honeybunny |
| 14:24.17 | abrotman | !marry eeebittin azeem |
| 14:24.21 | abrotman | oh well ... |
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| 14:24.51 | eeebittin | problem solved thx for your help :) |
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| 14:25.04 | abrotman | oh .. needs an 'and' .. |
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| 14:26.31 | eeebittin | also do somone know how i change to a more GTK styled theme in QT / Updates to Debian 5.1? |
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| 14:26.52 | azeem | eeebittin: Updates to Debian 5.1? |
| 14:27.20 | Alam_Lenny | you could compile QT gtkstyle |
| 14:27.38 | Alam_Lenny | svn://labs.trolltech.com/svn/styles/gtkstyle |
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| 14:27.57 | eeebittin | Alam_Lenny: that was what i was trying to do and failed :p |
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| 14:28.19 | Alam_Lenny | what version of QT do you have installed and did you installed the -dev packages? |
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| 14:28.54 | eeebittin | 4.3 |
| 14:28.58 | eeebittin | and no |
| 14:29.13 | eeebittin | azeem my computer still runs Debian 5.0 |
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| 14:30.32 | azeem | eeebittin: there's no Debian 5.1 |
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| 14:30.43 | eeebittin | 5.0.1 then :p |
| 14:30.48 | azeem | and I wonder what that has to do with GTK/Qt style |
| 14:31.05 | eeebittin | nothing i just asked 2 questions in one |
| 14:31.21 | azeem | eeebittin: try reading the smart questions FAQ one day |
| 14:31.46 | eeebittin | will do that |
| 14:31.49 | azeem | eeebittin: about 5.0.1, make sure you have "lenny" and "stable-security" in your sources.list, and apt-get upgrade/apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 14:31.59 | mylastbreath | i am attempting to read a ntfs hard drive using debian 4, has no cd/dvd drive or network, is there an option to get ntfs, ntfs-3g, of ntmsmount? |
| 14:32.10 | eeebittin | does 5.0.1 works great on the eeepc? |
| 14:32.27 | azeem | eeebittin: eh? |
| 14:32.43 | azeem | the difference between 5.0 and 5.0.1 is not visable in any way |
| 14:32.56 | themill | eeebittin: you tell us, you're running it |
| 14:32.57 | eeebittin | ah ok |
| 14:33.09 | eeebittin | themill: no iam running 5.0 |
| 14:33.21 | themill | eeebittin: have you been installing security updates? |
| 14:33.47 | eeebittin | nope |
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| 14:35.22 | themill | then you might like to do that. That's (almost) the only difference between 5.0 and 5.0.1. /msg dpkg security ; /msg dpkg point release |
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| 14:36.34 | abrotman | mylastbreath: how did you get debian on it? |
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| 14:37.35 | mylastbreath | originally, had a network cable, and used a netinstall from www.goodbyemicrosoft.com |
| 14:39.23 | abrotman | i thought the etch kernel could to read-only ntfs without anything else |
| 14:39.45 | hark | mylastbreath: ntfs support is in the kernel |
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| 14:41.22 | mylastbreath | mmm, the only reason i am looking to access the heathen ntfs is for data recovery from the nonbootalbe drive before returning the drive to the owner |
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| 14:42.25 | eeebittin | dist-update dosen't work here |
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| 14:42.37 | azeem | eeebittin: nobody said "dist-update" |
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| 14:42.42 | azeem | please pay attention |
| 14:42.46 | azeem | and/or read the documentation |
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| 14:44.14 | Manu311 | I have the problem about not beeing able to configure my new notebooks touchpad. Xorg.0.log says "AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint touchpad found" but gsynaptics reports: "You have to set SHMConfig true in xorg.conf or XFree86.conf to use GSynaptics". And synclient -i reports "Can't access shared memory area SHMConfig disabled?" I've set the line "Option "SHMConfig" "true"" inside xorg.conf and restarted, but it doesn't work. |
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| 14:44.47 | mylastbreath | thank you all |
| 14:45.07 | azeem | Manu311: doesn't work means you still get the message about "Can't access shared memory area SHMConfig disabled?"? |
| 14:45.14 | Manu311 | y |
| 14:45.27 | milian | when can I expect kde 4.3 to reach unstable? |
| 14:45.36 | milian | or at least kde 4.2.4 ? |
| 14:45.53 | azeem | milian: when it's ready |
| 14:46.04 | azeem | 4.2.4 is already in unstable, btw |
| 14:46.22 | milian | ah hm then I'm doing something wrong |
| 14:46.24 | milian | thanks azeem |
| 14:46.55 | octane- | Manu311: What kind of response is that? |
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| 14:47.36 | Manu311 | yes |
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| 14:47.53 | Manu311 | it still displays that errors |
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| 14:48.59 | azeem | Manu311: pastebin your xorg.conf then |
| 14:49.14 | eeebittin | i already have the latest version :p |
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| 14:49.28 | parolang | Hello. Does anyone have any idea about this? Everytime I put anything in .xsession, X will refuse to start. |
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| 14:49.38 | parolang | I just want to configure my modifier keys. |
| 14:49.41 | eeebittin | what are a good QT Theme that looks like gtk? |
| 14:49.47 | Manu311 | #Section "InputDevice" #Identifier "ALPS" #Option "SHMConfig" "true" #Driver "synaptics" #EndSection |
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| 14:50.27 | gueux | hi |
| 14:50.28 | Manu311 | I've commented it out, because it does the exactly same thing w/o and with those lines |
| 14:50.41 | tuxinator | have a nfs problem here on latest debian stable |
| 14:50.48 | jaggz- | dcop khotkeys khotkeys reread_configuration # Doesn't seem to re-read my khotkeysrc file |
| 14:50.57 | tuxinator | client does not mount remote server, other clients (mostly centos) are mounting them |
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| 14:51.20 | tuxinator | and the already mounted exports do generate higher and higher load |
| 14:51.23 | tuxinator | now |
| 14:51.29 | milian | azeem: can you tell me when 4.2.4 was uploaded to the repos? |
| 14:51.29 | kriebz | wtf debian installer |
| 14:51.30 | tuxinator | ~41 |
| 14:51.31 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, 41 is a lame number |
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| 14:51.42 | milian | or can I see that somewhere myself? |
| 14:51.45 | milian | -see +find otu |
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| 14:51.50 | kriebz | putting all my swap aprts into fstab |
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| 14:52.48 | kriebz | tuxinator: how does a mounted filesystem generate load? |
| 14:53.00 | kriebz | make sure your debian boxes have portmap installed |
| 14:53.02 | themill | Manu311: I believe that gsynaptics is broken in lenny. Try using the command line "synclient" instead |
| 14:53.12 | Manu311 | same problem |
| 14:53.23 | Manu311 | synclient -l |
| 14:53.23 | Manu311 | Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled? |
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| 14:53.38 | Manu311 | tpconfig works, but doesn't offer much ;) |
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| 14:54.04 | tuxinator | kriebz: it was mounted, now smb trying to access a nfs exported directory, now generating load |
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| 14:54.58 | tuxinator | the message i see on nfs server |
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| 14:55.13 | tuxinator | http://pastebin.com/m3f64b142 |
| 14:56.01 | kriebz | hrm |
| 14:56.01 | kriebz | I havn't used NFSv4 much |
| 14:56.06 | kriebz | but those looks more or less normal |
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| 14:57.22 | Aberration | Hi I've just fleed from ubuntu to instal debian 5... Is there a wifi driver for the intel iwl5100? |
| 14:57.25 | tuxinator | so why the debian does just stay on mount command and do nothing |
| 14:57.33 | tuxinator | umount works but mounting again no more |
| 14:57.50 | tuxinator | and in dmesg there are messages that nfs server does not respond |
| 14:57.55 | kriebz | tuxinator: make sure portmap is installed |
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| 14:58.15 | tuxinator | on client or on server? |
| 14:58.19 | kriebz | yes |
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| 14:58.50 | tuxinator | of course it is installed, it worked for weeks until today |
| 14:58.53 | Manu311 | themill: no more advises? |
| 14:59.22 | themill | Manu311: is that with that section commented out? |
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| 14:59.33 | Manu311 | y |
| 14:59.37 | Manu311 | I commented it out |
| 14:59.42 | Manu311 | because it has no effect at all |
| 14:59.43 | themill | synclient relies on SHM |
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| 14:59.55 | Manu311 | I know, but it doesn't work if I uncomment those lines |
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| 15:00.02 | Manu311 | neither* |
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| 15:00.28 | tuxinator | kriebz: what you mean by yes? |
| 15:00.36 | themill | Manu311: no, gsynaptics doesn't work if you uncomment those lines. synclient will work, I believe |
| 15:00.51 | Manu311 | I tried it |
| 15:00.54 | Manu311 | it does not |
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| 15:01.11 | Manu311 | I just did uncommented them |
| 15:01.13 | Manu311 | and: same error |
| 15:01.16 | Manu311 | in symclient |
| 15:01.21 | shappie | Hi, i'm trying to limit the bandwidth my download programma is using. I used wondershaper to do this but it limits the whole interface, this causes my samba to copy files over the network very slow. So i want to limit only the program "nzbget". Is there another program that can do this? Or can i make a different interface for "nzbget". |
| 15:01.40 | abrotman | wondershaper should be able to do that |
| 15:01.50 | shappie | abrotman: Is it also able to limit only 1 program? |
| 15:01.51 | abrotman | and if you have the ability to restart nzbget .. you could use trickle |
| 15:02.28 | themill | Manu311: did you restart X after uncommenting them? |
| 15:02.31 | Manu311 | y |
| 15:02.35 | Manu311 | yes* |
| 15:02.46 | Manu311 | I even restarted my whole machine |
| 15:02.47 | cuba33ci | Hi folks |
| 15:02.59 | cuba33ci | please take a look at my rpoblem |
| 15:03.04 | themill | Manu311: you restarted your machine after editing xorg.conf and all this took less than 30s? |
| 15:03.11 | shappie | abrotman: I also tried trickle. It works ok but the problem is it doesnt use a hard limit but an average limit. So the program still sometimes uses all bandwidth (this decreases voip quality) |
| 15:03.15 | cuba33ci | http://paste.debian.net/38036 |
| 15:03.22 | Manu311 | I'm on my other computer for chatting ;) |
| 15:03.57 | Manu311 | I'm restarting and changing since 5 hours now, so I tried a lot |
| 15:04.04 | Manu311 | e.g. this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=475021 |
| 15:04.10 | Manu311 | but it didn't helped |
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| 15:04.36 | shappie | abrotman: So i need a program that limits a single program to for example 300kb/s. And the program is not allowed to get far above that value... |
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| 15:05.01 | themill | Manu311: can you please ensure that the SHM stuff is uncommented, restarted X and pastebin all of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:05.14 | Manu311 | ok I'll pastebin |
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| 15:05.25 | tuxinator | what is port 876 for nfs? |
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| 15:06.02 | abrotman | shappie: AFAIK .. wondershaper should do that .. |
| 15:06.09 | superlinux | hi . can it happen? squid restarts suddenly? |
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| 15:06.41 | shappie | abrotman: I tried wondershaper but it limits the whole interface not only 1 program. |
| 15:06.58 | shappie | abrotman: Except from that wondershaper is the program i need... |
| 15:06.58 | Manu311 | http://pastebin.com/m1176f605 |
| 15:07.15 | abrotman | shappie: wondershaper can also restrict based on port IIRC |
| 15:07.44 | Manu311 | http://pastebin.com/md205c92 |
| 15:08.00 | Manu311 | themill: pasted |
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| 15:08.53 | abrotman | sk4: don't do that again |
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| 15:09.15 | superlinux | guys ! have you read my question? |
| 15:09.29 | sk4 | ok |
| 15:10.06 | tuxinator | ok, had to restart nfsd on centos works now |
| 15:10.27 | shappie | abrotman: I'm unable to find how to use that... |
| 15:10.29 | themill | Manu311: your config is not using the ALPS section because it's not referenced anywhere |
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| 15:10.47 | kriebz | superlinux: virtually all programs have bugs and can crash, yes. Maybe look into a deamon manager like monit |
| 15:10.50 | Mikey^ | Hi |
| 15:10.51 | torgrim | superlinux: that attitude wont get you nowhere ;) and your question is a metaquestion. alot of things can make that happen. my guess is that you configured it wrongly ;) |
| 15:10.57 | Manu311 | themill: how do I do this? |
| 15:11.00 | Gruelius | in fdisk, does the cylinder 1 start at the inside or the outside of a hdd's platter? |
| 15:11.02 | Mikey^ | How do I remove swfdec ? |
| 15:11.18 | Mikey^ | When I try removing it, it tries to remove gnome and all the apps |
| 15:11.31 | themill | dpkg: tell Mikey^ about unmarkauto |
| 15:11.46 | themill | Mikey^: or alternatively, just leave it there... if can't take up that much disk space |
| 15:12.02 | Mikey^ | no, I want to use adobe flash |
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| 15:12.10 | abrotman | want to? |
| 15:12.18 | kriebz | Gruelius: don't worry about it; LBA makes "cylenders" fake anyway |
| 15:12.19 | themill | Mikey^: that doesn't mean you have to remove swfdec |
| 15:12.38 | abrotman | Mikey^: just use update-alternatives to add the libflashplayer.so as an alternative for flash-mozilla.so .. and use that |
| 15:12.40 | Gruelius | ok. I want to place a partition on the outermost edge of the hdd platter |
| 15:12.45 | Gruelius | how would i do this? |
| 15:12.57 | kriebz | facepalm |
| 15:13.00 | pflanze | Hello. Does anyone know how to make 'sort' sort case sensitively? The manpage only tells how to switch to insensitive comparison but this already is the default as it seems. |
| 15:13.04 | Mikey^ | ok will do that |
| 15:13.24 | Gruelius | kreibz: i dont see the reason for the facepalm |
| 15:13.37 | Manu311 | themill: how do I reference the alps section? |
| 15:13.42 | themill | Manu311: either use a ServerLayout section in xorg.conf or try making the Identifier "Configured Mouse" rather than "ALPS". (not sure which is needed) |
| 15:13.52 | Gruelius | http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/zcav/sata/1tb.png |
| 15:14.01 | Gruelius | i want the partition to sit in the optimal performing space |
| 15:14.12 | Manu311 | I'll try that, ty |
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| 15:15.51 | Mikey^ | So currently sid and testing are the same ? |
| 15:16.07 | Mikey^ | I downloaded sid net inst cd yesterday |
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| 15:16.12 | Mikey^ | its name is testing |
| 15:16.27 | Mikey^ | and after installing also, it shows debian sid/squeeze |
| 15:16.45 | petemc | sid netinst? where did you get that? |
| 15:16.57 | Mikey^ | daily builds |
| 15:17.03 | petemc | url? |
| 15:17.08 | Mikey^ | 1 sec |
| 15:17.16 | shappie | abrotman: I googled it again. You can only set low priority ports. But this is not exactly what i need. Are there other programs to shape bandwidth? |
| 15:17.25 | abrotman | not that i know of |
| 15:17.58 | Polarina | Gruelius: According to that chart, the closer to the inner part of the platter, the better. |
| 15:18.07 | Mikey^ | petemc:http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/arch-latest/ |
| 15:18.25 | Mikey^ | petemc: I using it right now :) |
| 15:18.34 | petemc | oh, didnt realise there was such a thing |
| 15:18.39 | Gruelius | Polarina: so in fdisk i would assign the "fast" partition cylinder 1 to whatever size |
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| 15:18.51 | Mikey^ | It has been there for ever I guess |
| 15:18.55 | Polarina | Gruelius: Apparently. |
| 15:19.14 | shappie | abrotman: Thank you anyway ;) |
| 15:19.35 | shappie | Anybody else in here knows other bandwidth shaping programs on debian lenny? |
| 15:19.52 | Mikey^ | petemc: so your using lenny ? |
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| 15:20.15 | Polarina | Gruelius: That chart shows that being first in fdisk is faster, be it physically in the outer or the inner part of the plate. |
| 15:20.23 | petemc | Mikey^: not exclusively |
| 15:20.35 | petemc | just not heard of used a sid installer |
| 15:20.39 | Mikey^ | okay |
| 15:20.42 | petemc | +or |
| 15:21.23 | Gruelius | Polarina: allways faster on the outer edge of the platter. In one rotation more data passes the head |
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| 15:21.42 | infernix | hm, i have a server with 8 nics. 4x intel and 4x bnx2. cables are hooked into the bnx2 nics. the testing netinst does not come with bnx2-09-4.6.15.fw but it also doesnt ask me for a floppy/usb disk to install it |
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| 15:21.50 | Polarina | Gruelius: Not necessarily. |
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| 15:22.16 | infernix | im guessin it only asks for it if it finds no working NIC. but how do i trigger this function in the installer for the other nicx? |
| 15:22.22 | azeem | Gruelius: you're aware that harddisk nowadays have more than one platteR? |
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| 15:22.30 | Gruelius | yes |
| 15:22.33 | Polarina | Gruelius: The head might have problems reading so much data at once, it slows down. |
| 15:22.36 | azeem | o |
| 15:22.43 | azeem | k |
| 15:23.40 | creature_ | Ù©à¹Ì¯Í¡à¹)Û¶ |
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| 15:24.39 | ranix | Is there an apparrel (shirts, hats, etc.) seller who donates a portion of sales to the Debian project? |
| 15:24.55 | ranix | at which I can purchase some Debian polo shirts and a hat |
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| 15:25.13 | petemc | http://debian.org/misc/merchandise |
| 15:25.19 | ranix | thx |
| 15:25.23 | shappie | abrotman: I use ipv6 usenet server so i have a tunnel network interface to download. But wondershaper isn't able to limit the tunnel interface... |
| 15:25.45 | shappie | Is there anyway to limit that tunnel interface? |
| 15:26.08 | infernix | curses whoever decided not to include firmware in the netinst cd |
| 15:26.18 | ranix | whomever |
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| 15:26.45 | petemc | infernix: why not curse the people who create the non free firmware? |
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| 15:27.11 | infernix | curses them, too |
| 15:27.48 | petemc | i kinda meant for you to retract your curse of the debian volunteers, but whatever |
| 15:27.55 | infernix | i have to go through the trouble of creating my own netinst cd with this firmware just to install debian on a new generation of dell boxes |
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| 15:28.36 | infernix | it's a netinstcd. how can you *not* include NIC firmware |
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| 15:29.07 | magrin | infernix yea.. thats crappy |
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| 15:29.13 | magrin | Broadcom NetExtreme II |
| 15:29.21 | Manu311 | themill: I'm unable 2 get it working |
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| 15:29.53 | magrin | infernix all you have to do is to put the firmware on a usbstick and plug it in to the server. |
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| 15:30.50 | petemc | then laugh as your disk controller goes from sdb to sda on the next reboot |
| 15:30.51 | infernix | magrin: i can't trigger that dialog, because there's 4 intel nics in there that work. and the server is 150 miles away so i can't just re-plug the cable |
| 15:31.14 | magrin | ahh |
| 15:31.16 | magrin | bummer |
| 15:31.16 | magrin | :D |
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| 15:31.29 | pflanze | finds the answer is LANG=C and feels annoyed |
| 15:31.58 | mns | I am trying to find out what the font is that x-terminal-emulator (xfce4-term) is using. From the preferences, it is "Monospace" and "12pts". I want to know how I would be able to find out what the font is so I can provide it to urxvt and use it with that program. |
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| 15:33.31 | minaq | LoRez, i don't care if you k-line me. i can't help you with gay pic links. please don't p/m me anymore |
| 15:33.58 | adrianoc | please i can help in samba/pdc ldap debian sarge ... |
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| 15:34.09 | Barbaren | yo, quick question |
| 15:34.22 | Barbaren | is it possible to boot a user out of their ssh connection? |
| 15:34.26 | adrianoc | where i do command "id user", return "fail segmentation" |
| 15:34.33 | abrotman | Barbaren: yes .. kill the PPID |
| 15:34.47 | Barbaren | how do i know which is the right pid? |
| 15:35.04 | abrotman | minaq: if you have a beef with LoRez, msg him about it |
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| 15:36.58 | Barbaren | ok, that worked |
| 15:37.00 | Barbaren | thanks abrotman |
| 15:37.19 | Barbaren | btw |
| 15:37.29 | Barbaren | how come sometimes when you do "exit" from an ssh session is says "logout" then just freezes? |
| 15:37.36 | Barbaren | without killing the session? |
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| 15:38.53 | keyhack | I'm looking to assign a wide static IP range to a debian box which will be running some simulations on it, what is the best way to achieve this? (Looking to have over 10,000 IPs), so i brute force a /etc/network/interfaces file? |
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| 15:40.22 | hoxu | keyhack, is there any way to add IP ranges on interfaces? I'm not aware of one |
| 15:40.39 | keyhack | yeah, I was hoping there would be a more practical approach |
| 15:41.33 | petemc | for i in 11 `seq 1 10000`; do ip addr add... |
| 15:41.37 | petemc | might get messy |
| 15:41.41 | hoxu | indeed |
| 15:41.53 | petemc | also, where did that 11 come from |
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| 15:42.20 | keyhack | yeah, I wrote a quick program to spit out a interfaces file for me |
| 15:42.33 | keyhack | after I did ifdown and ifup, it only loaded 258 of the IPs |
| 15:42.58 | hoxu | keyhack, hum, you could use if-up with for loop like that... but as said, it's not very optimal... |
| 15:43.18 | hoxu | err, s/if-up/post-up/ |
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| 15:44.48 | keyhack | yeah, whatever gets the job done, with my file I can't get the OS to go over 258 |
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| 15:46.22 | hoxu | keyhack, did you add them as subinterfaces or what? |
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| 15:46.40 | keyhack | hoxu: yeah, eth0:122, eth0:123, etc. |
| 15:46.43 | infernix | keyhack: just put the main ip in interfaces, and write a bash script that uses the mentioned for loop with ip addr add. then call that script in the interfaces statement with post-up |
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| 15:47.08 | infernix | 10000 entries in interfaces file seems rather pointless |
| 15:48.01 | Mikey^ | Does deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free still work ? |
| 15:48.12 | Mikey^ | does that repo still work ? |
| 15:48.22 | keyhack | infernix: i will google around and try your method |
| 15:48.47 | hoxu | keyhack, don't use subinterfaces when the IPs you assign are in the same range - just assign multiple IPs on the same interface using "ip addr" - seems like there's a limit for number of subinterfaces |
| 15:49.16 | keyhack | ah, ok, makes sense |
| 15:49.16 | hoxu | keyhack, same range, as in the same subnet |
| 15:49.37 | MegafEee | hi all, nvidia driver installer wants gcc 4.1, but i have gcc 4.1, so, what can i do? |
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| 15:54.27 | apostle | how to reconfigure soundcard in debian |
| 15:54.30 | Polarina | MegafEee: Change the CC envorinment variable to "gcc-4.1" |
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| 15:55.40 | MegafEee | Polarina, i solved that with a symbolic link |
| 15:55.56 | MegafEee | ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 15:56.14 | Polarina | MegafEee: You could've done: CC="gcc-4.1" ./something_that_wants_gcc_4_1 |
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| 15:57.10 | MegafEee | Polarina, do you know how to change the kernels name? |
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| 15:57.20 | Polarina | MegafEee: Why? |
| 15:57.32 | MegafEee | im happy with debians default kernel, but i dont like his name :P |
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| 15:58.06 | Polarina | MegafEee: You can change it in one of the configuration files before you compile it. |
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| 15:58.27 | stevenmbp | hello! |
| 15:58.41 | stevenmbp | is debian 4.0 relatively the same to set up (on linode) as debian 5.0? |
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| 15:59.10 | Polarina | stevenmbp: Why would one care? Nobody's meant to use etch anymore. |
| 15:59.25 | stevenmbp | because i dont see any guides for linode on using 5.0 |
| 15:59.27 | stevenmbp | only 4.0 |
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| 15:59.56 | apostle | what is command to redetect hardware |
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| 16:00.06 | Polarina | stevenmbp: I doubt it's much different if the official changelogs don't mention it. |
| 16:00.17 | stevenmbp | i see |
| 16:00.26 | \amethyst | Does lenny's kernel support being a domU ? |
| 16:00.38 | \amethyst | since I imagine that would be the biggest issue |
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| 16:01.10 | Polarina | \amethyst: domU? |
| 16:01.24 | \amethyst | a Xen guest |
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| 16:02.21 | Polarina | \amethyst: It does support vmx. |
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| 16:03.19 | Polarina | \amethyst: Just install kvm. |
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| 16:05.50 | \amethyst | Polarina: stevenmbp was looking to install on linode, which does Xen-based VPS |
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| 16:06.03 | stevenmbp | oh |
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| 16:07.57 | \amethyst | hm... does anyone know why gnome-session 2.26 Breaks: xserver-xorg (< 1:7.4) ? |
| 16:08.04 | infernix | is the testing netinstcd broken? "Warning: Failure trying to run: chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc" |
| 16:08.12 | azeem | \amethyst: maybe its changelog knows |
| 16:08.25 | azeem | infernix: it's a warning? |
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| 16:09.39 | davis | hello |
| 16:09.44 | \amethyst | azeem: just found it in the changelog |
| 16:09.47 | jair | guys when I install mdadm apt-get keeps pulling citadel package when i really don't need it |
| 16:09.59 | infernix | azeem: it'll break with error no 4 after that |
| 16:10.14 | infernix | tries to ignore it |
| 16:10.18 | infernix | i hate new hardware |
| 16:10.30 | davis | anybody know if there is a ppc linux channel around ? |
| 16:10.53 | azeem | infernix: what is "it"? |
| 16:10.54 | stevenmbp | ouch |
| 16:11.26 | infernix | azeem: the error. i'm just going past the base install, mounted proc and sys manually |
| 16:11.39 | jair | does anyone uses mdadm here besides me :D |
| 16:11.42 | azeem | infernix: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:11.43 | mcgreg | hi .. does anyone know if vlc support 5.1 support with alsa? when I treid it, it failed with an error. though it works fine with xine outpout/amarok. |
| 16:11.44 | infernix | im hoping that the proc/sys mount are the last steps in the base install process |
| 16:11.54 | infernix | azeem: installing debian on a new generation dell. |
| 16:12.15 | infernix | so far its been one huge truckload of fail |
| 16:12.15 | azeem | infernix: hwo? |
| 16:12.17 | azeem | how* |
| 16:12.28 | infernix | testing netinst cd mounted as virtual cd |
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| 16:15.43 | keyhack | infernix: what package do I need to install to get 'ip' ? |
| 16:15.52 | azeem | iproute I think |
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| 16:16.02 | keyhack | k |
| 16:16.06 | azeem | infernix: why do you install testing? |
| 16:16.11 | infernix | keyhack: iproute2 |
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| 16:16.15 | azeem | infernix: to install testing, install stable and upgrade |
| 16:16.21 | infernix | azeem: because lenny netinst cd does not recognise the virtual cd |
| 16:16.38 | infernix | which is just an usb cdrom to the host |
| 16:16.42 | azeem | what are you using for virtualization? |
| 16:16.53 | infernix | nothing. it's a dell with a DRAC controller |
| 16:17.03 | azeem | so it has no CD? |
| 16:17.19 | infernix | server is 150 miles away, DRAC offers mounting of an image as usb cdrom |
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| 16:17.59 | azeem | infernix: maybe try a netboot instead then |
| 16:18.14 | infernix | i was hoping it wouldn't have to come to that |
| 16:18.30 | infernix | especially since the bnx2 firmware is needed |
| 16:18.45 | infernix | which isn't in the installation kernel and so i'd be stuck yet again :| |
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| 16:21.27 | infernix | grr |
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| 16:23.40 | keyhack | is there something I need to do after modifying /etc/network/interfaces and adding a script to /etc/network/if-up.d/ besides ifdown and ifup for changes to take effect? |
| 16:23.55 | infernix | "No medium found" when I try to mount the virtual cdrom in a Lenny netinst console. it'll boot fine but then usb-storage fails to read the virtual cdrom. |
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| 16:24.38 | azeem | infernix: maybe try the minimal businesscard CD? |
| 16:24.39 | infernix | is businesscard fully in ram? e.g. does businesscard require installer packages/data from cd? |
| 16:24.45 | azeem | I'm not sure |
| 16:25.15 | keyhack | infernix: trying to use this script http://wertarbyte.de/debian/addresses |
| 16:25.20 | keyhack | appears to do nothing |
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| 16:26.11 | infernix | keyhack: so debug it. add some echos in there |
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| 16:26.49 | infernix | im gonna chill and do netboot later, this dell box is pissing me off |
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| 16:57.46 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 17:01.55 | Megaf | is it safe to use backports? |
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| 17:02.06 | Megaf | on Lenny stable |
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| 17:02.26 | randomguy | on Lenny stable |
| 17:02.26 | sneezewort | Is there package in Debian similar to CGIpaf that allows users to reset passwords from a web interface? |
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| 17:02.54 | randomguy | on Lenny stable |
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| 17:03.22 | randomguy | if i run it manually as root, it completes successfully |
| 17:03.53 | randomguy | my friend had me banned from this chat a few days ago because he wouldnt stop cursing |
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| 17:04.11 | abrotman | randomguy: you're not making sense |
| 17:04.13 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 17:04.23 | randomguy | are there the staff member of freenode, I have a problem with my password... |
| 17:04.44 | abrotman | randomguy: ask #freenode |
| 17:04.53 | randomguy | hehehehe |
| 17:05.22 | randomguy | i.e. if i goto dual monitors |
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| 17:05.55 | abrotman | randomguy: When you decide you want to make sense, msg me |
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| 17:07.21 | buu | abrotman: He did the same thing on another channel.. |
| 17:07.30 | abrotman | guess he won't msg me then |
| 17:07.38 | Megaf | abrotman, buu he is a bot... |
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| 17:07.51 | abrotman | i figured as much, but i don't share another channel with it |
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| 17:08.55 | Megaf | abrotman, is http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ working for you? |
| 17:09.27 | abrotman | why would i want skype? |
| 17:09.39 | abrotman | and it's probably not supposed to work directly |
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| 17:10.08 | themill | Megaf: that line will work in the sources.list but you can't go to that web page directly. |
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| 17:10.31 | Megaf | themill, however, http://download.skype.com/ is not working either |
| 17:10.45 | Megaf | and in the source list is not working either |
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| 17:11.34 | themill | "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free" wfm |
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| 17:12.38 | Megaf | themill, the the link is back |
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| 17:13.24 | StuckMojo | anyone know what the package for mod_python for apache 1.3 is called? |
| 17:13.48 | StuckMojo | i can only find libapache2-mod-python which is for apache 2 |
| 17:13.49 | themill | StuckMojo: etch? |
| 17:13.53 | abrotman | StuckMojo: on lenny? |
| 17:13.53 | StuckMojo | sid |
| 17:13.59 | abrotman | there's no apache1 in sid |
| 17:14.03 | themill | StuckMojo: apache1.3 hasn't been in sid for a long time |
| 17:14.04 | StuckMojo | drat |
| 17:14.12 | StuckMojo | yeah i've been running it for quite a while |
| 17:14.19 | abrotman | so start using apache2 |
| 17:14.23 | themill | with no security updates... |
| 17:14.24 | StuckMojo | ponders what to do |
| 17:14.30 | StuckMojo | themill: it's my desktop |
| 17:14.37 | abrotman | and? |
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| 17:14.41 | StuckMojo | i wanted / needed to match what was on my server |
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| 17:15.21 | abrotman | was? |
| 17:15.41 | paxcoder | I'm unable to pipe to gedit.There seems to be a bug report about this (https://bugs.launchpad.net/gedit/+bug/9054), and it's 4 years old now. Is the feature removed or what? |
| 17:15.44 | ilaiho | hi |
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| 17:16.19 | ilaiho | i want to load an icc profile at X11 startup |
| 17:16.38 | ilaiho | what should i do |
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| 17:17.08 | StuckMojo | at the time i evaluated apache2 there was a bug in #included php files that caused them not to get sent to the php processor |
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| 17:17.21 | StuckMojo | so i had to stick with 1.3 |
| 17:17.27 | StuckMojo | that's since been fixed finally |
| 17:17.34 | StuckMojo | aaanyway |
| 17:17.38 | themill | StuckMojo: that would be a bug in php not in apache2 |
| 17:17.51 | StuckMojo | actually they spent a few months pointing fingers at eachother |
| 17:18.08 | StuckMojo | it took a while to get fixed because neither would admit it to be their problem |
| 17:18.12 | themill | StuckMojo: SSI include or php's #include? |
| 17:18.17 | StuckMojo | SSI include |
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| 17:18.32 | StuckMojo | i know it's fixed now, but i don't know which side ended up fixing it |
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| 17:18.35 | themill | ahh... using virtual certainly works for that |
| 17:18.57 | StuckMojo | i had code that already used it that i didn't feel like modifying, so i just waited to upgrade |
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| 17:19.15 | StuckMojo | then it turned out that 1.3 was actually faster than 2 for a while |
| 17:19.19 | StuckMojo | so once again i didn't bother |
| 17:19.21 | geophoenix | when i try to run seahorse from command line i get the error " Invalid or no GPG agent is running" , but when i type " pstree -p | grep gpg " the gpg-agent and seahorse agent are running . Is it a bug? |
| 17:19.37 | bronaugh | mod_include -- yay. |
| 17:20.01 | StuckMojo | drat. i was just looking to code up something quick in django. i don't want to go through all the crap involved in porting my 1.3 config to 2.0 |
| 17:20.05 | StuckMojo | sighs |
| 17:20.10 | StuckMojo | maybe i'll just build from source |
| 17:20.40 | StuckMojo | hmmm |
| 17:20.46 | abrotman | StuckMojo: how long do you intend on clinging to apache1? |
| 17:20.58 | themill | StuckMojo: stop justifying the fact that you've not updated your machine properly for two years with tales of bugs that were fixed 5 or more years ago. |
| 17:21.07 | StuckMojo | not long, but i've been up all night coding something unrelated and i'm too tired for this atm |
| 17:21.15 | StuckMojo | themill: lol |
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| 17:21.26 | bronaugh | apache2.x has been out for what, 6+ years now? |
| 17:21.27 | StuckMojo | gotta love #debian for the slam |
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| 17:21.44 | themill | bronaugh: and the rest. It's been in debian since 2001 |
| 17:21.46 | abrotman | StuckMojo: if you want .. we can get oyu potato CDs to install that ... |
| 17:22.02 | StuckMojo | themill: i wasn't justifying, just explaining how i ended up in this situation since you asked |
| 17:22.04 | bronaugh | themill: yeah... I wrote the crap I started in 2003 on mod_perl2... |
| 17:22.05 | bronaugh | so yeah. |
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| 17:22.17 | StuckMojo | abrotman: lol, i used to run it. i've got a dedicated database server that's still running woody |
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| 17:22.23 | abrotman | see |
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| 17:22.39 | bronaugh | potato... hah. |
| 17:22.44 | StuckMojo | it's got *nothing* on it though. it's a postgresql appliance (i build that from source) |
| 17:22.45 | bronaugh | uhh, yeah. that's the first debian dist I installed. |
| 17:22.51 | StuckMojo | me too |
| 17:23.02 | StuckMojo | upgraded to woody right quick when it came out though |
| 17:23.18 | bronaugh | yeah... I installed potato before it was released. |
| 17:23.40 | StuckMojo | ah. i caught it shortly before woody was released. a few months |
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| 17:23.54 | StuckMojo | i have to admit i like ubuntu now |
| 17:24.04 | sportman1280 | Hello, I am having issues with Debian Installer using a preseed with a Intel 82567LF nic, using the e1000e drivers. It refuses to connect to the internet to download packages. However, once everything is on there (using a temp. nic), the Intel nic works just fine... |
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| 17:24.13 | StuckMojo | it lets you have servers that don't get quite so long in the tooth |
| 17:24.26 | abrotman | StuckMojo: uhm .. you did it to yourself |
| 17:24.36 | epsas | hmm - i am setting up a secure nis server... long story short |
| 17:24.41 | StuckMojo | abrotman: yes i'm aware |
| 17:24.57 | abrotman | StuckMojo: so don't act like the choice of distro changes the silly choices you make :) |
| 17:25.06 | epsas | i have a bash script that I am using to control a passwd/shadow database on a chroot |
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| 17:25.24 | StuckMojo | abrotman: oh no i mean debian stable gets old. it's greatest strength is also it's greatest weakness IMHO |
| 17:25.27 | epsas | now - i want to pass all of the variables except the first to a chroot command |
| 17:25.31 | StuckMojo | abrotman: it's nice and static. |
| 17:25.37 | abrotman | but he's using unstable ... |
| 17:25.46 | epsas | ie, `chroot /etc/yp usermod $1 $2 $3 ... etc |
| 17:25.47 | StuckMojo | abrotman: but towards the end of the release it gets stale |
| 17:25.56 | StuckMojo | abrotman: i only run sid on my desktop |
| 17:25.58 | JohnTeddy | I acidentally installed a package with --force-all, and now the package is "pF" in dpkg -al list, how can I purge this completely? and undo the install. it is python-imdbpy |
| 17:26.00 | epsas | is there a way to specify a range of variables? |
| 17:26.18 | epsas | rather, specify a range of argument variables in bash? |
| 17:26.23 | abrotman | JohnTeddy: dpkg -P ? |
| 17:26.30 | StuckMojo | abrotman: don't get me wrong, i'm not complaining, just musing |
| 17:26.36 | abrotman | okay |
| 17:26.37 | StuckMojo | abrotman: i love debian |
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| 17:26.45 | StuckMojo | abrotman: it's why i like ubuntu :) |
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| 17:27.10 | abrotman | you're not making any sense .. but given all the other things you've said, I'm not totally surprised |
| 17:27.15 | StuckMojo | lol |
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| 17:27.24 | keith4 | is there a cleaner way to get group membership than 'getent group disk'? |
| 17:27.28 | pundito | i have lenny installed on an Acer Aspire One. However, especially when using GUI programs it gets stuck before working up my input to the respective program. Could it be, because i chose "Desktop" as well as "Laptop" during installation= |
| 17:27.31 | StuckMojo | i mean i like ubuntu because it's built on the back of all the hard work that debian does |
| 17:27.32 | pundito | ?* |
| 17:27.45 | StuckMojo | it's debian. it's just released more often. |
| 17:27.50 | abrotman | no it's not |
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| 17:28.00 | pundito | *It gets stuck for a couple of seconds or so |
| 17:28.01 | bronaugh | ubuntu definitely != debian |
| 17:28.07 | bronaugh | upgrades on ubuntu never go well. |
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| 17:28.20 | StuckMojo | bronaugh: the few i've done have been relatively smooth |
| 17:28.28 | bronaugh | ever tried jumping more than 1 release? |
| 17:28.36 | bronaugh | they're like "yeah, install all the intermediate releases" |
| 17:28.38 | abrotman | anyways .. back to Debian ... |
| 17:28.39 | bronaugh | how about "no"? |
| 17:28.41 | StuckMojo | bronaugh: but i'll grant you that fresh installs are better than in place upgrades |
| 17:28.49 | StuckMojo | bronaugh: yeah i've jumped 2 but that's it |
| 17:28.52 | abrotman | anyways .. back to Debian ... |
| 17:28.54 | bronaugh | at least on debian that works right. |
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| 17:29.17 | StuckMojo | bronaugh: really? i'm afraid to try to in-place upgrade my woody box |
| 17:29.17 | bronaugh | one of deb's greatest strengths, IMO, is that upgrades go relatively smoothly. |
| 17:29.20 | bronaugh | there's WTF, but it's solvable. |
| 17:29.22 | StuckMojo | or my sarge box for that matter |
| 17:29.56 | StuckMojo | bronaugh: i agree. i ass-u-me that's why ubuntu's work as well as they do (compared to rpm based distros) |
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| 17:31.25 | StuckMojo | abrotman: i wasn't saying they're equivalent...just that in principle ubutnu is 6 month snapshots of sid that are smoothed out a bit (at least a small subset of the packages) |
| 17:31.39 | StuckMojo | or at least that's how they started afaik |
| 17:31.59 | abrotman | anyways .. back to Debian ... |
| 17:32.19 | adama_ | debian kicks every other distro's's ass! |
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| 17:32.24 | StuckMojo | so has anyone tried doing an inplace update of woody or sarge lately? |
| 17:32.31 | khaije | is the situation with ubuntu fixes making it to debian any improved recently, i rememeber reading that was an issue |
| 17:32.37 | StuckMojo | i'm scared to try |
| 17:32.50 | adama_ | no, I keep all my boxen at unstable |
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| 17:33.22 | abrotman | StuckMojo: yes, you can do it .. you should read the release notes and do each version in turn |
| 17:33.24 | StuckMojo | i was planning to bring up a new box with lenny, transfer everything over service wise, then trying the in place |
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| 17:34.04 | StuckMojo | that way i'll have working lenny configs and have figured out those problems, and also have a box to run as prod while i do the upgrades...and to use in case they go tits up |
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| 17:34.30 | StuckMojo | part of my fear is that they're in a colo that's now 2000+ miles away |
| 17:34.52 | StuckMojo | so if networking doesn't come up or something i can't drive down there and hit the console |
| 17:35.10 | JaSonGG | is there a special server list to get more ham radio packages in sources.list? |
| 17:35.29 | azeem | JaSonGG: probably not |
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| 17:35.53 | StuckMojo | abrotman: well..for the woody one: i thought that sarge wasn't on the repos anymore... |
| 17:36.09 | StuckMojo | abrotman: for that one wouldn't i have to skip to etch? |
| 17:36.15 | JaSonGG | thanks azeem .... |
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| 17:36.33 | SQlvpapir | uhm.. where did my /boot/grub/menu.lst go? |
| 17:36.37 | StuckMojo | abrotman: or is it just not mirrored most places? |
| 17:36.38 | jelly-home | StuckMojo: there is no skipping. Use archive.debian.org |
| 17:36.43 | StuckMojo | ah thanks |
| 17:36.45 | jelly-home | !ado |
| 17:36.46 | dpkg | Find old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 17:37.01 | abrotman | StuckMojo: do *not* skip releases |
| 17:37.22 | StuckMojo | i could use that to bring it up to the latest version of woody first too (and sarge for the other box) |
| 17:37.39 | StuckMojo | i know i missed a few updates before they got EOLed |
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| 17:38.42 | StuckMojo | well thanks guys. both for the help and the lively debate ;) |
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| 17:39.16 | StuckMojo | you were remarkably gentle. back in the day you could come in here without leaving with a black eye. this channel has mellowed quite a bit ;^) |
| 17:39.29 | StuckMojo | s/could/couldn't/ |
| 17:40.21 | stew | StuckMojo: i wouldn't worry about getting every last update on a release right before moving to the next one |
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| 17:40.59 | mandric | what version of python does lenny use by default? |
| 17:41.00 | StuckMojo | well the sarge box has an odd one. it's why i fell behind on updates. it wanted to completely remove clavmav...which would have broken mail |
| 17:41.36 | stew | judd: info python |
| 17:41.36 | judd | stew: python (python): is standard; Version: 2.5.2-3; Size: 135.8k; Installed: 612k -- An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version) |
| 17:41.36 | stew | mandric: ^^ |
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| 17:41.37 | mandric | ok |
| 17:41.42 | mandric | cool |
| 17:41.52 | StuckMojo | i'd kindof like to get that worked out before doing the dist-upgrade |
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| 17:47.47 | atomiku[RNNA] | Is there a repository where I can get the LATEST gnome from? |
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| 17:48.26 | atomiku[RNNA] | I'm trying to build gnome-globalmenu, but it requires the latest things I guess |
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| 17:48.52 | azeem | atomiku[RNNA]: no, there isn't |
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| 17:49.02 | azeem | atomiku[RNNA]: use jhbuild or something |
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| 17:52.20 | Melior | hi i'm trying to execute this shell script: http://pastebin.com/d43564709 i did everything the configuration said and i did compile file_age. But despite that it fails with ./free_space_v1.2.2.sh: line 190: syntax error near unexpected token `elif' "and" |
| 17:52.20 | Melior | '/free_space_v1.2.2.sh: line 190: ` elif [ -w $ERROR_LOG_FILE ]; then |
| 17:53.34 | Melior | What's wrong? |
| 17:54.43 | azeem | Melior: I'd guess your if [ ] && [ ] on line 187 |
| 17:55.34 | dae | www.sohbetlost.com |
| 17:56.23 | Melior | azeem: What should it be? |
| 17:56.41 | azeem | Melior: one [ ] I'd say, not sure |
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| 17:56.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | i don't actually see why you ask that on #debian, to be true |
| 17:56.49 | azeem | Melior: really, shell programming is off-topic here |
| 17:57.54 | Melior | azeem: Know any better channel? |
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| 17:58.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, #bash comes to mind? |
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| 17:59.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see why it should stop |
| 17:59.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Melior, but as you asked here.... do apt-cache show tmpreaper :) |
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| 18:00.43 | Melior | CutMeOwnThroat: :) and what do you want from it? |
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| 18:01.02 | Melior | the version is: Version: 1.6.10 |
| 18:01.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Melior, nothing - you should have a look at that package description... |
| 18:02.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm not sure what *exactly* that script is supposed to do |
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| 18:02.32 | Melior | CutMeOwnThroat: Instead of that script, or? |
| 18:02.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I suggest you take the perhaps 10 minutes to look through debians packages to see if any of them provides the same functionality... |
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| 18:03.31 | Melior | I don't think they do. This script deletes in order to have eg. 20gb of space available acording to dirs date |
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| 18:07.08 | jpinx | Melior: there are many ways to clear space on your hdd - all of them easier than that script ;) |
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| 18:08.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I'm a bit astonished... but tmpreaper doesn't seem to have a min-free option |
| 18:08.21 | xor | Hi there. |
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| 18:09.01 | memnon` | hi everyone ;0 |
| 18:09.05 | xor | I have this SSL certificate I'm trying to install, and even though there are clear instructions on the site I bought it from, they seem a little different then what Debian has in mind... |
| 18:09.16 | xor | For instance the directories seem a little different. |
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| 18:09.32 | xor | I'm just curious, how is it that Debian usually does this? |
| 18:09.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, on an IRIX system, I once made a HUGE (gigabyte!! in ca. 1998!!) file in /tmp... and it was deleted rather quickly |
| 18:09.42 | jpinx | Melior: https://wiki.debian.org/FreeSpace |
| 18:09.56 | xor | The private key goes to /etc/ssl/private right? |
| 18:10.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought tmpreaper would also decide file lifetimes according to space.... after all /tmp gets rather useless when full |
| 18:10.08 | xor | The public one goes to /etc/ssl/certs/. |
| 18:10.26 | xor | But what do I name the public one? |
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| 18:11.00 | xor | I see a crt on the certs sub-directory, and it's huge, do I have to substitute the first certificate on that file and leave the rest bellow it? |
| 18:12.45 | xor | The instructions I got also mention a few options for Apache that I don't have on right now, right now Debian is perfectly happy to just find out all the files based on the options SSLCertificateFile and SSLCertificateKeyFile. |
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| 18:13.42 | wodka_ice_ | haiii leuuute |
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| 18:13.52 | memnon` | moin |
| 18:14.03 | wodka_ice_ | :D |
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| 18:15.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | work|dana, :EN |
| 18:15.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
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| 18:15.48 | fxiny | tmpreaper seems useful , most of the times i don't delete stuff like saved website pages , but i kust make "expires<date>.tar" archives , so it can automagically manage 'em |
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| 18:15.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | evil nickchanger |
| 18:16.00 | fxiny | s/kust/kust |
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| 18:16.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | exchange kust with kust? :) |
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| 18:17.07 | fxiny | hehehe |
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| 18:17.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... this looks like sentence #2 ... what was #1... and is there a question? |
| 18:18.02 | work|dana | CutMeOwnThroat: what? |
| 18:18.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | work|dana, I meant wodka_ice_ |
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| 18:18.43 | work|dana | okay, cool i was weirded out |
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| 18:19.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | work|dana, heh, guess I should have kept pretending you should know what this is about, then |
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| 18:21.18 | b10n1c0 | hey guys |
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| 18:22.12 | b10n1c0 | I do have a problem with konqueror. When I try to view my home folder, i get a message "There appears to be a configuration error. You have associated Konqueror with inode/directory, but cannot handle this file type" |
| 18:22.30 | b10n1c0 | I am using KDE 4.2.4 |
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| 18:24.46 | fxiny | nice bug , i can't stand folders :P |
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| 18:25.10 | duggu_ | fuuuck youuu |
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| 18:28.44 | sportman1280 | Hello, I am having issues with Debian Installer using a preseed with a Intel 82567LF nic, using the e1000e drivers. It refuses to connect to the internet to download packages. However, once everything is on there (using a temp. nic), the Intel nic works just fine... |
| 18:28.48 | cognitiaclaeves | In lenny, man diff produces the same result as info diff, which notates that the entire manual for diff is accessible via info. I'm trying to figure out exactly what the -a switch does, so I can determine whether or not to use it to compare for exact binary files. Does anyone have definitive knowledge on this subject? |
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| 18:30.11 | bronaugh | sportman1280: different kernels used by installer and installed system. |
| 18:30.18 | nkuttler | cognitiaclaeves: install diff-doc |
| 18:30.29 | Pix_ | hi |
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| 18:31.45 | cognitiaclaeves | nkuttler: Ok. Thanks. :) |
| 18:32.02 | cognitiaclaeves | ( Is that the same for all apps? xxx-doc to see the info pages? ) |
| 18:32.04 | sportman1280 | bronaugh: when i uname -a they both appear to be using 2.6.28.11 |
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| 18:32.28 | sharp15 | anyone here using awesome window manager and willing to pastebin the debian-menu lua file? |
| 18:32.36 | nkuttler | cognitiaclaeves: not sure, but most info docs are in foo-doc |
| 18:32.39 | bronaugh | sportman1280: heh, that's unusual. |
| 18:32.50 | nkuttler | cognitiaclaeves: many of them are non-free too |
| 18:33.19 | cognitiaclaeves | nkuttler: Ok. Thanks. :) |
| 18:33.48 | afloofloo | experiences with using truecrypt? good/bad? |
| 18:34.05 | action09 | afloofloo good |
| 18:34.06 | sportman1280 | bronaugh when create the debian installer image, we download the latest kernel being used. |
| 18:35.29 | bronaugh | sportman1280: ah. |
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| 18:35.29 | bronaugh | sportman1280: so you've tried hitting alt-f2 and using the console to diagnose this? |
| 18:35.29 | sharp15 | back in a moment. i opened this outside of screen. |
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| 18:37.01 | sportman1280 | bronaugh: when i dhclient it, it just fails massively |
| 18:37.43 | sportman1280 | bronaugh: other than that i didnt have access to other tools :( there is no ifconfig and such. or at least i wasn't able to use them |
| 18:38.14 | bronaugh | "fails massively" as in? |
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| 18:38.24 | bronaugh | also there should be ifconfig |
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| 18:42.20 | sportman1280 | bronaugh: fails as it it cant get an ip, however it detects that it finds the driver. |
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| 18:42.34 | sportman1280 | bronaugh: ifconfig wasn't in sbin or anything either |
| 18:42.48 | bronaugh | hmm; IIRC I've used it from the deb installer before. |
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| 18:43.20 | sportman1280 | bronaugh: well thats weird.... |
| 18:43.27 | sharp15 | never mind. |
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| 18:46.06 | vampirefrog | err found a spam bot |
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| 18:46.16 | vampirefrog | Aqua_BabyGirl |
| 18:46.21 | bookmark | what's crackin? |
| 18:46.22 | vampirefrog | spams with porn links |
| 18:46.28 | vampirefrog | your butt |
| 18:46.48 | bookmark | think outside the chair |
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| 18:46.56 | nickgrey147 | box |
| 18:46.59 | bookmark | box yeah |
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| 18:47.58 | martymartino | hi guys! I saw that spam bot too. Im using apt-get install, and when it connects to download the package it's getting redirected from an apt.* to a cache.* uri is there any way to preven this cos the cache.* uri gives me a 404 |
| 18:48.15 | adb | !ops Aqua_BabyGirl spam |
| 18:48.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: Aqua_BabyGirl spam |
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| 18:48.44 | nickgrey147 | :P |
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| 18:50.26 | Murphy | hi |
| 18:50.27 | Murphy | do anyone know, how i can install a qt gui plugin for eclipse in ubuntu 8.04 |
| 18:50.30 | sportman1280 | bronaugh: any other suggestions on how to troubleshoot it? |
| 18:50.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Murphy, #ubuntu |
| 18:51.28 | jelly-home | !they don't know |
| 18:51.28 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 18:51.30 | Murphy | i asked there already... |
| 18:51.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 18:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | well done, jelly-home |
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| 18:52.00 | jelly-home | jeez, some factoids were written by angry people |
| 18:52.03 | Computer | How do I change my hostname? |
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| 18:52.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, all the ubuntu and $other-distro ones |
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| 18:53.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Computer, /etc/hostname |
| 18:53.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Computer, also /etc/hosts |
| 18:53.35 | jelly-home | !factinfo they don't know |
| 18:53.35 | dpkg | they don't know -- created by greycat <~wooledg@192.35.79.70> at Tue Mar 1 17:31:45 2005 (1556 days); it has been requested 314 times, last by jelly-home, 2m 7s ago. |
| 18:53.39 | jelly-home | !hostname |
| 18:53.39 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 18:53.55 | jelly-home | Computer: see above |
| 18:53.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe greycat |
| 18:54.04 | martymartino | just to expand on my question, just as apt prints out [Connecting to apt.* and then after about 1 sec changes to [Connecting to cache.* is this redirect happening on the remote server? |
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| 18:54.44 | AngelJoliet | martymartino, what is your source? i have one but it is the only one that i currently know about hahaha |
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| 18:54.55 | AngelJoliet | which is strange to say the least |
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| 18:55.24 | martymartino | AngelJoiliet: apt.saurik.com gets redirected to cache.saurik.com |
| 18:55.26 | bronaugh | sportman1280: hmm |
| 18:55.45 | bronaugh | sportman1280: check dmesg spew ... think that's on console 4. |
| 18:55.58 | sportman1280 | bronaugh: have not done that yet |
| 18:56.04 | DexterF | can someone gimme a hand in resizing the LVs in a lenny crypt install? I can select it all I want, I get no options. what do I do? |
| 18:56.05 | sportman1280 | bronaugh: be back checking |
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| 19:01.01 | lupine_86 | anyone used tinydns/djbdns/dbndns much? I'm trying to get my head around the situtations where tinydns-data will abort with an error |
| 19:01.45 | sportman1280 | bronaugh: it runs over the top of the monitor on console 4, however it complains about getting no dhcpoffers. any idea how i can view more of this output? like scroll up and down it |
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| 19:02.12 | bronaugh | sportman1280: run dmesg |
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| 19:02.25 | bronaugh | if that's not on there, then switch to the console early on and watch the spew. |
| 19:02.38 | bronaugh | if you're on the console, you can scroll backwards using shift-pgup etc. |
| 19:02.39 | martymartino | any othet apt experts on here? |
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| 19:05.46 | sportman1280 | bronaugh: well looking it. theres a lot of "link not ready" and eth0 is switching to half-duplex. |
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| 19:05.59 | sportman1280 | bronaugh: im not seeing any specific errors :( |
| 19:06.04 | bronaugh | sportman1280: hmm. wonder if it could be a duplex mismatch... |
| 19:06.16 | bronaugh | that's one possibility. another possibility is IRQ screwup. |
| 19:06.23 | bronaugh | which'd result in comp not thinking it received any packets. |
| 19:07.06 | sportman1280 | bronaugh: i'll look at the IRQ. would that show up in dmesg as an error? |
| 19:07.37 | bronaugh | nope. |
| 19:07.52 | bronaugh | it's one of those "by guess and by golly" things. |
| 19:08.19 | AngelJoliet | does annyone know how to create and mount a 4.3 GB iso file? |
| 19:08.22 | AngelJoliet | read write |
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| 19:08.32 | AngelJoliet | and also, can you defrage those or? |
| 19:08.50 | AngelJoliet | or i guess just copy it all from one to another does that |
| 19:08.53 | bronaugh | mount -o loop -t iso9660 file location/ |
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| 19:09.07 | AngelJoliet | ok but how do i make a 4.3 GB file |
| 19:09.21 | bronaugh | mkisofs? |
| 19:09.23 | AngelJoliet | thanks btw bronaugh |
| 19:09.31 | AngelJoliet | ah... could be |
| 19:09.34 | AngelJoliet | genisofs |
| 19:09.40 | AngelJoliet | er.. genisoimage |
| 19:09.50 | bronaugh | sure. |
| 19:10.11 | AngelJoliet | what about joliet, can you do tha rw? |
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| 19:10.38 | bronaugh | no |
| 19:10.48 | bronaugh | oh, nm. I'm forgetting the question you're asking. |
| 19:10.53 | bronaugh | if you want rw, you have to go to UDF. |
| 19:10.58 | bronaugh | ISO9660 was never designed to be rw |
| 19:10.59 | AngelJoliet | what is UDF? |
| 19:11.04 | sportman1280 | bronaugh: i dont think it is IRQ because live cds work, and windows also works. wouldnt that rule out IRQ issues? |
| 19:11.14 | bronaugh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format |
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| 19:11.39 | Abrration | Hi! |
| 19:12.15 | Abrration | I'm new on debian, and I don't know the best way to install nvidia's proprietary's driver... can ya help? |
| 19:12.26 | adb | !nvidia |
| 19:12.26 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 19:14.13 | LOLLLDONGS | hi |
| 19:14.32 | Abrration | Oh! There lazy people quick help on this chan! Neat! |
| 19:14.43 | AngelJoliet | bronaugh: are you still there? |
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| 19:14.49 | bronaugh | AngelJoliet: yes. |
| 19:14.52 | _mast_ | my graphic card is intel GM965 when i try to maximize window it takes only 3/4 of monitor's size (15.6"). in xorg.conf in section Device i wrote "intel" driver. can anybody help me? |
| 19:15.34 | amphi | _mast_: does the backgrund fill the monitor? |
| 19:15.37 | AngelJoliet | ok let me just make sure you know what i want to do, i want to make 4.3 GB files and work inside them, like coding and compiling and making 3d graphics stuff and then the long filenames will already be in a viable cd format when i'm done with it |
| 19:15.38 | sportman1280 | bronaugh: another thing is MSI interupt fails are printing out on the dmesg |
| 19:15.47 | bronaugh | sportman1280: ooo |
| 19:15.50 | bronaugh | sportman1280: boot with pci=nomsi |
| 19:15.52 | bronaugh | try that. |
| 19:15.56 | mib_v1jpfk | hi all |
| 19:16.00 | Abrration | I got another question.... why does my wired internet don't work? I have no internet with it and network manager says that it can't manage my ethernet connection |
| 19:16.04 | AngelJoliet | can i use universal disk format to do that? like with loop files |
| 19:16.05 | _mast_ | amphi: yes |
| 19:16.11 | bronaugh | AngelJoliet: why bother? |
| 19:16.15 | mib_v1jpfk | what kernel version in debian unstable? |
| 19:16.24 | AngelJoliet | so that when i burn stuff it doesn't ruin my file tree |
| 19:16.25 | bronaugh | it's easy enough to create an iso9660 filesystem on the fly and burn a CD with it. |
| 19:16.30 | amphi | _mast_: then the problem is with your window manager IMHO, not with the driver |
| 19:16.35 | bronaugh | "ruin"? |
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| 19:16.55 | AngelJoliet | like file SOLDIE000.bmp |
| 19:16.59 | sportman1280 | bronaugh thanks |
| 19:17.08 | AngelJoliet | where it used to be soldier_green_beret.bmp |
| 19:17.19 | AngelJoliet | iso crap |
| 19:17.25 | bronaugh | AngelJoliet: uh yeah, so long as you create your FS with joliet, you shouldn't have that problme |
| 19:17.32 | AngelJoliet | i'm not so good with genisoimage or something |
| 19:17.45 | bronaugh | you could also use rockridge extensions if you don't care about reading it on anything other than linux |
| 19:17.50 | bronaugh | or you could use udf |
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| 19:17.56 | bronaugh | there's a whole bunch of solutions here. |
| 19:17.57 | AngelJoliet | will i'd rather just build my file tree in a cd format if that is possible, right from the get go |
| 19:18.06 | bronaugh | that's a dumb idea. |
| 19:18.12 | bronaugh | unless you go with something like UDF. |
| 19:18.32 | bronaugh | trying to use a RO filesystem as RW is a good way to create an intractable problem. |
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| 19:19.04 | AngelJoliet | well i dunno, i was trying to burn some harddrive files today and it was screwing up my file names |
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| 19:19.18 | bronaugh | so figure out why and fix -that- |
| 19:19.22 | AngelJoliet | i tried -J -R -long-joliet |
| 19:19.30 | bronaugh | don't try creating an uberelaborate solution. |
| 19:19.35 | sportman1280 | bronaugh: thanks that works |
| 19:19.42 | bronaugh | sportman1280: sweet! |
| 19:19.46 | bronaugh | so it probably was an interrupt issue. |
| 19:19.50 | AngelJoliet | i didn't know loop files were all the elaborate |
| 19:19.59 | AngelJoliet | i meant it isn't even encrypted or anything |
| 19:20.01 | bronaugh | they are when you're looping back a ro filesystem as rw. |
| 19:20.16 | bronaugh | elaborate's the wrong word, I suppose. broken is a better choice. |
| 19:20.28 | AngelJoliet | well i figure you could let it get all fragmented then just copy all the files to another file system of the same type just before a burn |
| 19:20.32 | AngelJoliet | and it would unfragement them |
| 19:20.38 | bronaugh | uh no. |
| 19:20.42 | bronaugh | iso9660 doesn't work that way. |
| 19:20.51 | bronaugh | it's not random-access. |
| 19:20.51 | AngelJoliet | would be nice |
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| 19:20.56 | bronaugh | too bad. |
| 19:21.00 | AngelJoliet | hahaha |
| 19:21.22 | AngelJoliet | you'd have to diff it all to make sure it copied correctly anyway |
| 19:21.40 | bronaugh | so... why don't you just create the ISO image, mount that loopback, and verify that it created correctly? |
| 19:21.44 | AngelJoliet | that is another thing that i found strange this morning, i diffed two 3 GB directories and diff returned in like 0.1 second |
| 19:21.50 | bronaugh | then you can fine tune your options until you get it right without wasting media or much time |
| 19:21.51 | AngelJoliet | i was like, wow really done? |
| 19:22.29 | AngelJoliet | bronaugh: well it was telling me straight away that it was renameing my files to shorter names in the verbosity |
| 19:22.41 | bronaugh | ok. |
| 19:22.59 | bronaugh | IIRC that doesn't always mean that the Joliet names will be shortened. |
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| 19:23.02 | bronaugh | you'd better test that. |
| 19:23.05 | AngelJoliet | i tried -J -long-joliet |
| 19:23.19 | AngelJoliet | i don't think any of the names were like EXTREMELY long or anything |
| 19:23.23 | bronaugh | so |
| 19:23.24 | AngelJoliet | i mean it wasn't even mp3s |
| 19:23.29 | bronaugh | why don't you create the image, mount it, then diff the trees. |
| 19:23.34 | hooooooopy | i'm trying to install gitosis on my lenny box... when i try to check out the admin-config stuff it's asking me for a password for the git user that it created |
| 19:23.35 | bronaugh | have you done that yet? |
| 19:23.39 | hooooooopy | i have no idea what this password is |
| 19:23.45 | AngelJoliet | you mean maybe it isn't actually renaming them? |
| 19:23.55 | bronaugh | it's renaming them -- for the ISO9660 tree. |
| 19:24.01 | AngelJoliet | yes! |
| 19:24.03 | bronaugh | but then creating a short-filename to long-filename map (Joliet) |
| 19:24.05 | AngelJoliet | i don't want that |
| 19:24.10 | AngelJoliet | ah....! |
| 19:24.15 | AngelJoliet | ok ill try that, thanks |
| 19:24.17 | bronaugh | so that when mounted by systems that support Joliet, long filenames are displayed. |
| 19:24.40 | AngelJoliet | you're using ur noodle |
| 19:24.44 | AngelJoliet | im just bakingit |
| 19:25.31 | AngelJoliet | does anyone know how to rip initramfs out of debian while i'm at it? |
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| 19:31.55 | valdyn | AngelJoliet: to what end? |
| 19:32.23 | AngelJoliet | well it would sure be easier to switch kernels, i can't figure that out |
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| 19:32.36 | AngelJoliet | nor should i have to because initrd.img is doing nothing for me |
| 19:32.39 | valdyn | AngelJoliet: no it wouldnt |
| 19:32.48 | AngelJoliet | but making my cpu do some extra jazz |
| 19:32.55 | valdyn | AngelJoliet: nonsense |
| 19:33.03 | AngelJoliet | it takes up ram and cpu time |
| 19:33.29 | valdyn | AngelJoliet: debian kernels just use an initrd, you can make any kernel without an initrd as you please |
| 19:33.31 | bronaugh | AngelJoliet: I've played the custom-kernel game. in the end I decided there wasn't any point. |
| 19:33.33 | AngelJoliet | think of my poor cpu and ram |
| 19:33.38 | bronaugh | distro kernels are plenty good enough. |
| 19:33.54 | AngelJoliet | well i want to actually be a developer see |
| 19:34.01 | bronaugh | yeah, so? |
| 19:34.05 | AngelJoliet | those are these people who program things like kernels |
| 19:34.07 | bronaugh | you don't need to recompile your kernel to be a developer. |
| 19:34.19 | AngelJoliet | well i want to mess with the kernel source code |
| 19:34.19 | bronaugh | <-- written lots of software; so what? |
| 19:34.39 | bronaugh | and...? |
| 19:34.39 | AngelJoliet | oh well maybe you just didn't understand what i'm trying to do, that is ok |
| 19:34.41 | bronaugh | so what? |
| 19:34.42 | bronaugh | anyhow. |
| 19:34.44 | bronaugh | gone |
| 19:35.14 | AngelJoliet | there shouldn't be all kinds of road blocks and junk to changing out a kernel |
| 19:35.15 | valdyn | AngelJoliet: first step towards that goal would be understanding what an initrd does and does not do ) |
| 19:35.17 | AngelJoliet | it used to be 1 2 3 |
| 19:35.33 | AngelJoliet | valdyn: i does absoluetly nothing for me |
| 19:35.36 | AngelJoliet | it |
| 19:35.36 | valdyn | AngelJoliet: its not a road block |
| 19:35.44 | valdyn | AngelJoliet: so make your own custom kernel |
| 19:35.47 | AngelJoliet | road blocks are in the eye of the beholder |
| 19:35.48 | AngelJoliet | hehehe |
| 19:35.56 | AngelJoliet | i have many times 2.4 kernels |
| 19:36.02 | AngelJoliet | i can't switch the 2.6 out |
| 19:36.04 | AngelJoliet | dunno how |
| 19:36.16 | valdyn | AngelJoliet: same as with your 2.4 kernel |
| 19:36.22 | AngelJoliet | uh no |
| 19:36.27 | valdyn | AngelJoliet: yes, yes |
| 19:36.31 | AngelJoliet | speaking from experience then? |
| 19:36.35 | valdyn | AngelJoliet: yes |
| 19:36.41 | AngelJoliet | uh huh |
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| 19:40.20 | AngelJoliet | wow man i sure learned a thing or two valdyn |
| 19:40.23 | AngelJoliet | insightful |
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| 19:46.46 | AngelJoliet | gah.... |
| 19:46.46 | moni | hello, how to work anonymous functions in shell? this script don't put a variable a: unset a; { a=A; echo a1:$a; } | { cat; echo a2:$a; } ; echo a3:$a |
| 19:49.01 | adb | moni: try #bash |
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| 19:49.34 | moni | adb: thancks |
| 19:49.41 | adb | np |
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| 19:51.08 | jaymerk | i am having installation issues. trying to install lenny on a box i just built. the installer is stalling and saying either "ata1: softreset failed (device not ready)" or "hda: timeout waiting for DMA". i am not sure what to try. any ideas? |
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| 19:53.02 | FAARRT | Welcome usrlocalbin big bad fart tarts in your pants, makin me wanna get up and go to France!!! |
| 19:53.16 | badcloud | could someone point me to a script/gui for converting flac->lame mp3? something that will convert entire parent directories |
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| 19:53.29 | FAARRT | Welcome abrotman big bad fart tarts in your pants, makin me wanna get up and go to France!!! |
| 19:53.34 | cahoot | google flac2lame |
| 19:53.36 | ktwilight_ | badcloud, plenty on google |
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| 19:53.45 | badcloud | or ogg |
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| 19:53.54 | cahoot | err google flac2mp3 |
| 19:54.00 | memnon` | g-o-o-g-l-e |
| 19:54.26 | badcloud | memnon, sarcasm kills you from the inside |
| 19:54.47 | memnon` | no sarcasm intended |
| 19:55.16 | badcloud | g-o-o-g-l-e doesn't ring any bells besides sarcasm |
| 19:55.17 | memnon` | just wanted to confirm there is lots of stuff on google. I searched |
| 19:55.17 | memnon` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:59.23 | ootput | alinuxd555555556: some BIOSs do |
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| 20:00.29 | ootput | you should keep your files as flac |
| 20:00.36 | ootput | disk size is irrelevant nowadays |
| 20:00.55 | badcloud | true |
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| 20:01.13 | badcloud | I just wanted to keep my music library on my neo as well |
| 20:01.55 | ootput | it doesn't work with ogg files? |
| 20:02.14 | Gentoochild | hi guys. Could you give me a little help with aptitude, please: |
| 20:02.23 | Gentoochild | I'm trying to update a fresh lenny-install on a laptop with the help of another machine, because without the update, I can't set up my VPN connection yet |
| 20:02.37 | Gentoochild | how can I get the exact URLs of files that an aptitude update would fetch? |
| 20:02.48 | Gentoochild | so I can download them with the other machine and then copy them over |
| 20:02.58 | badcloud | ogg is fine too |
| 20:03.07 | badcloud | I just want a one command solution |
| 20:03.17 | badcloud | don't wanna have to restructure the directories, etc |
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| 20:04.47 | abrotman | Gentoochild: apt-get --print-uris install foo |
| 20:04.59 | jair | abrotman: do you use mdadm at all? |
| 20:05.08 | Gentoochild | somewhere I read to use aptitude instead of apt-get. Is there any logical reason behind this? |
| 20:05.28 | abrotman | jair: not enough to be help to you |
| 20:05.34 | Gentoochild | abrotman: thanks so far |
| 20:05.38 | abrotman | Gentoochild: yes, but to print the URIs you need aptitude AFAIK |
| 20:05.39 | bronaugh | what's this about mdadm? |
| 20:05.41 | jair | I posted a question about people instlling mdadm, lenny try to install citadel together with it which I think is not needed :( |
| 20:05.56 | Gentoochild | abrotman: apt-get does it just fine |
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| 20:06.07 | abrotman | Gentoochild: erm .. you need apt-get .. sorry :) |
| 20:06.17 | abrotman | jair: this is known and in the BTS |
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| 20:06.49 | jair | abrotman: BTS? |
| 20:07.01 | abrotman | you're joking right? |
| 20:07.15 | jair | nope BTS Bug? something? |
| 20:08.02 | jair | I am sorry for been too ignorant on that |
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| 20:08.15 | themill | jair: just install some other mta and then citadel will go away |
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| 20:10.20 | tlyu | jair: BTS = Bug Tracking System, presumably. |
| 20:10.28 | macrobat | !why aptitude |
| 20:10.28 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 20:11.26 | Gentoochild | abrotman: do you know by any change how I can feed the result of print-uris to wget? |
| 20:11.36 | Gentoochild | so it automagically renames them to the desired string |
| 20:11.47 | Gentoochild | (or else I'll have to improvise a small bash thingy) |
| 20:11.51 | abrotman | pipe it to a file .. and wget has a parameter for an input file |
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| 20:13.21 | Aberration | Hi! |
| 20:13.36 | ranix | guten morgen |
| 20:13.41 | macrobat | badcloud, soundconverter is easy to use, idk if it does dirs in dirs in dirs |
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| 20:14.29 | Aberration | How can I add resolution for my second screen? It has a 1680x1050 resolution and the nv drivers only have 640x680... |
| 20:14.46 | ranix | the nv driver does dual head? |
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| 20:15.11 | Aberration | ranix yep system-> pref -> display |
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| 20:15.20 | ranix | wtf system pref display |
| 20:15.42 | Aberration | settings? |
| 20:15.47 | ranix | you mean /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:15.49 | badcloud | just discovered lossless2lossy |
| 20:15.51 | badcloud | thanks though |
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| 20:16.03 | Aberration | system-> settings -> display |
| 20:16.14 | macrobat | Aberration means gnome :) |
| 20:16.28 | ranix | bah gnome is for the invalid |
| 20:16.35 | Aberration | macrobat you are right... |
| 20:17.03 | macrobat | xfce4 lets me move about |
| 20:17.11 | Aberration | ranix hu hu, wanna play tough geek? |
| 20:17.21 | Aberration | Still |
| 20:17.39 | macrobat | and you cannot use the nvidia driver? |
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| 20:17.46 | ranix | Aberration: you'll lose ;) I have a bitchslap coupler that can smack you silly over tcp |
| 20:18.05 | tuv | how can i keep track of the number of available updates without having to run an apt program periodically? |
| 20:18.12 | Aberration | macrobat nvidia driver just leads my X to crash |
| 20:18.19 | macrobat | :( |
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| 20:18.33 | ranix | Aberration: do like the cool guys do and vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:18.47 | ranix | and manually set the resolution |
| 20:19.04 | ranix | no dicking around with ambiguous menus |
| 20:19.14 | macrobat | maybe there are older versions of the driver |
| 20:19.20 | bronaugh | no, use xrandr |
| 20:19.47 | ranix | xrandr doesn't save its settings |
| 20:19.49 | Aberration | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.03 | bronaugh | ranix: so you put it in .xinitrc |
| 20:20.16 | macrobat | wouldnt nv give really bad performance with 2 monitors? |
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| 20:20.35 | drfrog666 | hi |
| 20:20.41 | bronaugh | macrobat: depends for what |
| 20:21.22 | Aberration | macrobat... yeah but official nvidia installation doesn't work... and I don't really understand the other ones |
| 20:21.30 | drfrog666 | can someone help me with a python issue im having? |
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| 20:21.59 | cognitiaclaeves | drfrog666: Don't you need #python for that? |
| 20:22.24 | drfrog666 | they didnt seem to helpfull |
| 20:22.42 | bstock | hey, trying to figure out what i'm diong with find command |
| 20:22.42 | drfrog666 | issue is i switched to python 2.5 on etch |
| 20:22.49 | bstock | i want to find all files in May of 2008 |
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| 20:23.04 | drfrog666 | now imtrying to install python-daemon but it tryies to instll in 2.4 lib area |
| 20:23.06 | cognitiaclaeves | ah, I think I'm familiar with that. That can be a bit tricky. |
| 20:23.08 | drfrog666 | and of course failes |
| 20:23.38 | drfrog666 | ive done the symlink to python2.5 and adjusted the debian defaults file but still no good |
| 20:23.39 | utmega | bstock: something like -mtime -30 |
| 20:23.44 | cognitiaclaeves | Do you need 2.5 to be the default? ( Because a-that's not recommended, and b-I don't know how to do that. ) |
| 20:23.44 | bstock | but when i do 'find . -newer new_marker' it starts with files from 2007 (new_marker has date of 2008-04-30) |
| 20:24.13 | lolufail | hi! A customer wants to use FXP (site-to-site ftp), I googled my ass of, enabled AllowForeignAddress in proftpd, but still no luck, he (a serv-u ftp server) can create files, but they keep at size 0... aaaaany ideas?? I've been on it for hours -.- |
| 20:24.22 | bstock | utmega: doesn't -mtime do like 'files modified in last x days' |
| 20:24.26 | drfrog666 | above solution i mentioned works for other packages and the dev refuses to look at it |
| 20:24.37 | utmega | bstock: yeah, use ctime or atime or mtime |
| 20:24.40 | cognitiaclaeves | drfrog666: I have scripts that I run that use 2.5 in etch, but it runs both 2.5 and the version installed by etch. |
| 20:24.44 | drfrog666 | python-daemon needs 2.5 |
| 20:24.53 | utmega | bstock: ctime is creation time |
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| 20:25.08 | utmega | bstock: atime is access and mtime is modified |
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| 20:26.08 | bstock | ok, if i do an 'ls -alh' and it shows the date, would that be ctime or mtime? |
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| 20:26.26 | cognitiaclaeves | drfrog666: I don't know python-daemon. They probably refuse to look at it , though, because you are effectively circumventing the version of python certified to work with etch with 2.5. ... which is not a good idea for your operating system. |
| 20:26.46 | Melior | Could anyone explain what this means: +NOTE to people not using glftpd: Just make shure that all the # |
| 20:26.47 | Melior | # logs exists and that $NUKED_DIR_NAMES is set, you can # |
| 20:26.47 | Melior | # hardcode it instead of having it read from any config file. # |
| 20:27.05 | utmega | bstock: I think it is creation time |
| 20:27.09 | dkr | bstock: mtime |
| 20:27.35 | bstock | mtime right |
| 20:27.42 | khaije | drfrog666: is python-daemon in the repos? |
| 20:27.49 | dkr | bstock: you could use stat to doublecheck, of course |
| 20:27.55 | utmega | ahh sorry, if you use -lc |
| 20:27.57 | cognitiaclaeves | drfrog666: I run 2.5 scripts and the old python together. When I want a script to be processed with 2.5, I use #!/usr/bin/python25 at the top of the script. |
| 20:27.57 | drfrog666 | yes http://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-daemon/ |
| 20:29.05 | khaije | o ok, the other option is to localize a python 2.5 install out of your $PATH then launch the script with env $PATH=/here/comes/the/sun script.py |
| 20:29.13 | drfrog666 | cognitiaclaeves: yes , we just switch python to 2.5 by symlinkinh |
| 20:29.16 | cognitiaclaeves | drfrog666: I don't find python-daemon in etch repos. |
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| 20:29.35 | drfrog666 | oh sorry i meant in python repos |
| 20:29.36 | drfrog666 | http://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-daemon/ |
| 20:29.38 | ksnp | hi, can anyone tell me how to start ntpdate after reboot ? |
| 20:29.40 | khaije | cognitiaclaeves: it's not in deb repos, it's in python repos |
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| 20:30.41 | drfrog666 | this python-daemon python pkg is needed for new lamson by zed shaw |
| 20:30.41 | drfrog666 | installs fine on lenny |
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| 20:31.00 | drfrog666 | zed shaw said he had trouble getting it to install on centos as well |
| 20:31.08 | cognitiaclaeves | drfrog666: If it isn't in etch repos, then you might have trouble getting it to work in the 'standard' way... What calls python-daemon? |
| 20:31.13 | drfrog666 | it=python-daemon |
| 20:31.30 | cognitiaclaeves | I thought you said you were having trouble with etch? |
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| 20:31.34 | cognitiaclaeves | Oh, I see. |
| 20:31.40 | cognitiaclaeves | Yes, Lenny uses 2.5 in their repos. |
| 20:31.40 | drfrog666 | yes u have to install it via pythons easy_install |
| 20:31.53 | cognitiaclaeves | That's not going to work with etch. |
| 20:32.07 | cognitiaclaeves | ( I don't think. ) |
| 20:32.22 | drfrog666 | swithcin to 2.5 in etch is easy |
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| 20:32.32 | buntfalke | how to determine wether the underlying system is amd64 or i386 from a shellscript? |
| 20:32.32 | drfrog666 | symlink it and change the debian_defaults file |
| 20:32.43 | jair | thank you for clarifying tlyu =) |
| 20:32.44 | cognitiaclaeves | drfrog666: Then what is your issue? |
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| 20:33.18 | drfrog666 | the python-daemon module is not installing properly, it tries to install into 2.4 lib area |
| 20:33.24 | drfrog666 | and fails cuz it need 2.5 |
| 20:33.49 | drfrog666 | this has been tried via the python easy_install and manually as well |
| 20:33.51 | cognitiaclaeves | then it would appear that switching is not so easy. |
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| 20:34.16 | cognitiaclaeves | I don't think you *can* switch... debian depends on the installed python libs. |
| 20:34.32 | drfrog666 | well we have been running production servers switched like this and its the first package ive come across fails in such a way |
| 20:34.34 | cognitiaclaeves | You can make some things use 1.5, but not everything. |
| 20:34.46 | cognitiaclaeves | Then you've been lucky so far. |
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| 20:34.59 | drfrog666 | ahh so its not science its magic |
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| 20:35.29 | cognitiaclaeves | There is science involved.. but you need to know how it works, or it looks like magic... |
| 20:35.58 | bronaugh | I always thought "computer science" was kind of silly. |
| 20:36.08 | bronaugh | there's not too much science going on. |
| 20:36.12 | drfrog666 | ok well im at a loss how to fix as we are not switching from etch but we need this on a python 2.5 to work |
| 20:36.20 | bronaugh | more math and engineering. |
| 20:36.27 | cognitiaclaeves | You either need to upgrade to Lenny, or fix it so that whatever calls it knows to use python 2.5. If it is a python script that calls it, you can use the #! .. env trick to specify 2.5 needs to be used. |
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| 20:37.03 | drfrog666 | cog: at top of script? just put python2.5? |
| 20:37.13 | BCM43 | how do i disable auto mount of usb drives? |
| 20:37.25 | Alam_Lenny | per user or system-wide? |
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| 20:37.36 | cognitiaclaeves | #!/usr/bin/python25 |
| 20:37.37 | BCM43 | Alam_Lenny: system wide |
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| 20:38.06 | drfrog666 | thanks ill try that |
| 20:38.06 | cognitiaclaeves | wait... |
| 20:38.06 | Alam_Lenny | heh, if you do find out how to do that, tell me |
| 20:38.07 | cognitiaclaeves | lol, that wasn't the right string. |
| 20:38.13 | BCM43 | Alam_Lenny: lol, thanks |
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| 20:39.25 | jair | there is not a channel specific for mdadm right? |
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| 20:42.41 | gangsterlicious | where do i report application bug? it's for dovecot. seems like the plugins dir is hard-coded to " |
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| 20:42.43 | khaije | cognitiaclaeves: wouldn't the env option I mentioned work? |
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| 20:43.06 | gangsterlicious | /usr/lib/dovecot/modules/imap, no matter what i set for $mail_plugin_dir, it just won't go to it. |
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| 20:43.38 | BCM43 | Alam_Lenny: sudo gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_automount false |
| 20:43.38 | gangsterlicious | (basically dovecot sieve filtering is broke.) |
| 20:43.43 | Aberration | hi it's me again! |
| 20:43.51 | Alam_Lenny | heh |
| 20:43.52 | Aberration | well I got new clues |
| 20:43.56 | Alam_Lenny | why as root? |
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| 20:44.16 | Alam_Lenny | why only GNOME? |
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| 20:44.28 | abrotman | gangsterlicious: reportbug |
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| 20:44.41 | Aberration | when I do nvidia-xconfig (with the propio driver installed the nvidia way) X crashes with "no screen found" |
| 20:45.10 | Aberration | http://www.mibbit.com/pb/RI0z20 |
| 20:45.14 | Aberration | it's my xorg |
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| 20:45.37 | Aberration | (the "nv" driver are on, so I can bypass the problem) |
| 20:45.40 | BCM43 | Alam_Lenny: because only gnome does it. It works for me. I dont know why as root, i did it as root and not as root. |
| 20:46.18 | cognitiaclaeves | khaije: I would think so... that's about the same trick as putting the env in the first line of the script. |
| 20:46.42 | Alam_Lenny | Aberration, you forget to change "nv" to "nvidia" |
| 20:47.15 | lolufail | proftpd vs vsftpd |
| 20:47.25 | Aberration | Alam_Lenny yes, I did this so I can start my session caus "nvidia" doesn'twork |
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| 20:47.57 | Alam_Lenny | XOrg log? |
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| 20:49.00 | adnc | i'm trying to understand a script which someone wrote on a debian. there is a reference to a file in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions could someone please tell me what this file contains? |
| 20:49.35 | gangsterlicious | abrotman: is that reportbug@debian.org or some? |
| 20:49.47 | gangsterlicious | lay that straight out and not crypitc |
| 20:50.00 | themill | dpkg: tell gangsterlicious about reportbug |
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| 20:50.22 | gangsterlicious | themill: good idea, thanks yo |
| 20:50.27 | Aberration | Alam_Lenny I don't have it... do you want me to crash so I can repport the messages? The only one I remember is "no screen found" |
| 20:50.33 | macrobat | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 20:50.59 | adnc | noone here who could have a look into this file? |
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| 20:51.38 | Aberration | macrobat Alam_Lenny brb |
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| 20:55.15 | adnc | poor |
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| 21:00.21 | abrotman | !tell gangsterlicious about reportbug |
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| 21:02.16 | Aberration | Hi i'm back |
| 21:02.25 | macrobat | i dont have such a file, adnc. maybe /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions or some other file? |
| 21:03.08 | Aberration | macrobat xorg-log doesn't show the errors I see when X crashes cause of nvidia |
| 21:03.34 | Aberration | macrobat it is said "screen found but none have a usable configuration" |
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| 21:03.55 | dub | any quick ideas on where to look when I dist upgrade from etch and all my apache2 vhosts are blank pages |
| 21:04.24 | dub | not seeing anything in logs for the vhosts or default |
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| 21:14.43 | macrobat | idk, Aberration. have you tried to startx without a xorg.conf? |
| 21:15.05 | Aberration | macrobat what d'you mean |
| 21:15.07 | Aberration | ? |
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| 21:16.09 | BW^- | dear guys, now using what script is it that i chose java version? updatejava -s sun-java5 , or something |
| 21:16.31 | themill | BW^-: update-java-alternatives |
| 21:16.38 | BW^- | ah thx! |
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| 21:18.59 | macrobat | Aberration mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_back_burner |
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| 21:19.27 | macrobat | then start your gnome |
| 21:19.31 | ilyak_ | why would my debian lenny (from etch, from sarge) freeze when modprobing ath5k/ath_pci? |
| 21:19.55 | ilyak_ | I've tried some livecd and it was able to load it without a problem |
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| 21:21.36 | steven2 | whats the rationale behind adding an extra script to apache in the debian distro (a2ensite) for enabling websites? |
| 21:21.39 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 21:21.51 | steven2 | thats non-standard and im confused as to its porpoise |
| 21:23.35 | adama_ | steven2: it links the conf file from sites-available into sites-enabled |
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| 21:23.47 | steven2 | right. i understand how it works. |
| 21:23.55 | steven2 | i just dont understand why it was added to debian's apache package |
| 21:24.09 | themill | steven2: it's just an easy way of enabling and disabling sites. Same for modules (a2enmod) |
| 21:24.12 | adama_ | you can ignore it if it bothers you |
| 21:24.30 | steven2 | no im not saying i dont like it, im just curious why it was added when its not in any other distro |
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| 21:25.05 | avu | steven2, because it's nice and useful? |
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| 21:25.16 | steven2 | ok |
| 21:25.21 | steven2 | thats a good answer |
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| 21:25.58 | \amethyst | steven2: and so that admins can write scripts that enable/disable sites (and modules) in such a way that they will still work if apache2's directory layout changes in the future |
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| 21:26.31 | steven2 | ah |
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| 21:26.36 | steven2 | better answer |
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| 21:34.03 | deever | hi |
| 21:34.11 | alecs1 | hi, are there tricks to reduce the wake-ups caused by keyboard and mouse |
| 21:34.24 | alecs1 | even more than they are with the standard kernel |
| 21:34.57 | alecs1 | ataching the keyboard to the laptop usualy makes the diference between having the fan spinning and not |
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| 21:35.55 | macrobat | alecs, maybe there is something here: http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/known.php |
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| 21:40.26 | deever | in /etc/network/interfaces, is there a way to define a bridge without bridge_ports? |
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| 21:42.13 | dmarkey | is there a way to get an alias to deliver locally and forward to another address? |
| 21:42.23 | dmarkey | as in /etc/aliases |
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| 21:43.37 | alecs1 | macrobat: thanks, I read it, but I don't have any of those guilty things :( |
| 21:43.39 | dub | apache is broken after upgrading from etch, any clues |
| 21:44.01 | dub | its listening but not returning data |
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| 21:48.05 | adb | dub: any hints in (apache2) logs ? |
| 21:48.16 | dub | nothing |
| 21:48.34 | adb | restart it , maybe |
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| 21:49.44 | _joohan_ | Is there anyway to sync my iphone to my computer? |
| 21:50.08 | avu | _joohan_, if it's jailbroken you can install an openssh server on the phone |
| 21:50.23 | _joohan_ | Its not. :( |
| 21:50.24 | avu | _joohan_, and sync some of the data that way, though not the itunes db for example |
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| 21:50.43 | avu | if you want the "normal" and complete sync, there's no way without a VM |
| 21:51.06 | avu | and even that's not that easy as the iPhone /only/ speaks USB2.0 and many (free) VM solutions only support USB1 |
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| 21:51.23 | avu | (kvm for example doesn't work for that reason) |
| 21:51.24 | _joohan_ | Using itunes(wine) but wont work, neither running xp virtualized |
| 21:51.32 | avu | as I just said |
| 21:51.38 | avu | it does work with XP in a VM |
| 21:51.52 | avu | but the virtualizing solution you use has to support USB2.0 passthrough |
| 21:52.05 | _joohan_ | Do you know if Sun virtualbox does? |
| 21:52.05 | avu | the latest virtualbox versions do IIRC |
| 21:52.23 | avu | not sure if it's in the free versions though |
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| 21:53.50 | gimmal | hello folks. I'm trying to use kernel 2.6.29 backport on lenny, but having troubles due to fglrx code. anyone might have any suggestions for a useful thread about this? |
| 21:53.58 | khaije | avu: i believe it is |
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| 21:54.22 | gimmal | it looks like I could hypothetically backport fglrx sid->lenny in current versions, but when I do that, I also have to backport xorg, which is not anyhow a good option |
| 21:55.11 | gimmal | i know i should be able to just dist-upgrade to the current 'testing' distro, but I was hoping to be able to use a 'stable' debian distro for a while, for once |
| 21:55.51 | gimmal | well hell, for this, though, I guess I have to go all the way to sid |
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| 21:56.11 | gimmal | the xserver-xorg version the newer fglrx code needs is only available in sid, atm |
| 21:56.31 | gimmal | and dangit, my all-in-wonder POS card isn't useful for anything, under 2.6.29 + xorg on lenny |
| 21:56.41 | gimmal | (not even able to use vesa xserver) |
| 21:57.34 | gimmal | i know, i know, I could just trash the all-in-stoopid card and get a real video card, and something from nvidia, all in the same, but dangit that that would have to wait at least a month, for budget |
| 21:57.59 | gimmal | gives ATT/AMD the evil eye |
| 21:58.35 | gimmal | and i'll be damned if i'm switching to ubunutu, heheh ;) |
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| 22:00.35 | gimmal | well heck, looks like i'm upgrading to the wild & wooly debian sid bleeding edge again |
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| 22:00.55 | gimmal | or staying stuck with 2.6.28 for all its quirks |
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| 22:04.25 | gimmal | or heck, i could just use amd's proprietary drivers, mebbee... for all its ethical concerns ... |
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| 22:04.56 | avu | gimmal, fglrx are those closed source drivers |
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| 22:05.08 | avu | gimmal, no matter if you get them from debian archives of from amd directly :) |
| 22:05.47 | gimmal | avu: i see; at least getting 'em from amd won't result in any particular package deps, and hopefully it'll work hehe |
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| 22:07.26 | gimmal | granted, it doesn't fit in with debian's nifty kernel-modules built stuff either, but this is the pain of a wonky system after all... |
| 22:07.40 | gimmal | my wonky damned hp box, it works but geez |
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| 22:08.31 | ksnp | hi, can anyone tell me how to start ntpdate after reboot ? |
| 22:08.35 | ksnp | automaticlaly |
| 22:08.54 | abrotman | !tell ksnp about run at startup |
| 22:10.15 | bbelt16ag | hi peeps I got a lenny 5.0 debian machine, I use for my server.. I try to plugin my screen into this headless machine and my screen just goes to standby, |
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| 22:10.52 | faffi | can someone give me an example of how i would pipe some text into the STDIN of a program |
| 22:10.53 | bbelt16ag | I tried rebooting my server and it still won't detect it, I pluged it n the dvi port on the left if your facing the back of the pc. and there is a vga port on the right. |
| 22:10.57 | Polarina | bbelt16ag: Does your screen function? |
| 22:11.01 | ksnp | thanks abrotman |
| 22:11.02 | bbelt16ag | any ideas on how to make it find my screen |
| 22:11.03 | bbelt16ag | yes |
| 22:11.12 | bbelt16ag | I used it for dual monitor on desktop |
| 22:11.12 | Polarina | bbelt16ag: Is the computer functioning? |
| 22:11.15 | jesta_ | i have a usb device that's not being detected at boot on lenny. i have to unplug/replug for it to be detected. here's the udevadm monitor: http://pastebin.com/m646861c7 . "udevadm trigger --action=add -s usb" doesn't work, rmmod and modprobe of ohci_hcd doesn't work... any ideas? |
| 22:11.16 | bbelt16ag | yes |
| 22:11.25 | Polarina | bbelt16ag: Is the cable functioning? |
| 22:11.31 | bbelt16ag | I just can't ssh in cause of the firewall I put in... |
| 22:11.38 | abrotman | ksnp: might be easier if you just install ntp |
| 22:11.39 | bbelt16ag | I was 20 min ago on my desktop |
| 22:11.53 | bbelt16ag | it |
| 22:12.01 | EvilRick | there is an active view on my bind server installation on my debian server but I cant find it. Its only allowing recursive lookups from a certain subnet and I would liek to alter it. Which config file would it be set up in |
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| 22:12.06 | bbelt16ag | I don't see what the problem is, unless its looking for it on the vga port. |
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| 22:12.29 | bbelt16ag | shutting it down. now |
| 22:12.32 | Polarina | bbelt16ag: If the monitor functions, the computer functions and the cable functions, quantum alone can explain it. |
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| 22:12.45 | bbelt16ag | quantum? |
| 22:12.59 | Polarina | bbelt16ag: You don't know quantum physics? |
| 22:13.09 | bbelt16ag | ofcourse. |
| 22:13.18 | bbelt16ag | just didn't know what you were refering to |
| 22:13.32 | Polarina | bbelt16ag: I am referring to quantum physics. |
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| 22:13.51 | Polarina | bbelt16ag: You can't really fix a problem without knowing what's wrong first. |
| 22:13.59 | bbelt16ag | yeah. |
| 22:14.12 | bbelt16ag | grrr |
| 22:14.26 | Polarina | bbelt16ag: First, measure the cable and test all the pins. |
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| 22:14.57 | bbelt16ag | ok... |
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| 22:17.23 | bbelt16ag | then what |
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| 22:17.52 | Tch334 | Hi all! |
| 22:18.09 | Tch334 | every time I try to open gedit as root I got " Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: " |
| 22:18.20 | lvh_ | Tch334: Yeah, stop doing that. |
| 22:18.31 | Polarina | bbelt16ag: All checks out? |
| 22:18.44 | gimmal | hey, rm -rf / will fix it .. sure ... |
| 22:18.47 | lvh_ | Tch334: root doesn't own your current display and hence cannot open windows in it. |
| 22:18.59 | lvh_ | Tch334: Try with sudo, or, even better: use a real editor instead of gedit. |
| 22:19.07 | jesta_ | it probably could if you set DISPLAY |
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| 22:19.16 | gimmal | xauth |
| 22:19.20 | bbelt16ag | test the pins how? |
| 22:19.22 | epsas | Tch334 - or xhost + |
| 22:19.37 | cusco | hi... how do I open a gtk box with some text in from command line? |
| 22:19.38 | Polarina | bbelt16ag: Use a measurement tool that measures electrical resistance. |
| 22:19.44 | epsas | xhost +localhost, rather |
| 22:19.48 | jesta_ | xhost + and give us your ip so we can show you rickroll |
| 22:19.50 | abrotman | gimmal: don't do that again |
| 22:19.51 | bbelt16ag | I don't got one of those. |
| 22:19.55 | abrotman | !mit magic cookie |
| 22:19.55 | dpkg | a key that a client application is required to possess in order to use your X11 display. Running xhost + removes this requirement which is why you should never use xhost (ask me about <xhost>). The xauth utility is in the package xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) and is used to manipulate the mit-magic-cookie; ask me about <mit-magic-cookie export>. For other, easier ways of running apps as another user, ask me about <root x>. |
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| 22:20.19 | lvh_ | epsas: Although it is the correct answer if the question is 'how do I allow root to open windows' -- however, the question is wrong ;-) |
| 22:20.28 | gimmal | abrotman: hey I rm -rf / all the time, it's great fun. muhahah, kids don't try this at home .. sure .. |
| 22:20.32 | Polarina | bbelt16ag: Do you have some sort of wire, battery and a 1.5 V lightbulb? |
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| 22:20.46 | abrotman | gimmal: That isn't funny, please refrain from doing it |
| 22:21.06 | lvh_ | epsas: He's running stuff as root. He shouldn't be running gedit as root. |
| 22:21.19 | lvh_ | If you need the elevated permissions, use sudo instead. |
| 22:21.36 | Tch334 | lvh_ ok, I read that part... how can I open gedit as root then? |
| 22:21.36 | Tch334 | lvh_ sudo gives me the same thing and... i don't know what a "real editor" is... |
| 22:21.36 | Tch334 | gimmal epsas... can you explain? |
| 22:21.57 | abrotman | Tch334: why do you need to use gedit ? |
| 22:22.13 | lvh | That's strange. sudo gedit should *not* give you that error. |
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| 22:22.17 | Tch334 | abrotman to edit so files |
| 22:22.25 | lvh | err? .so files? |
| 22:22.36 | abrotman | Tch334: if you use nano or vim from xterm, that would work, you can also try sux |
| 22:22.41 | Tch334 | lvh such as sources.list or whatsoever |
| 22:22.47 | lvh | Tch334: Oh. |
| 22:22.53 | abrotman | lvh: i think 'so' meant 'some' |
| 22:23.10 | lvh | (.so files are binary: you can't really edit those sensibly) |
| 22:23.10 | Tch334 | abrotman nano is cool but it doesn't have as much functionnalities as gedit |
| 22:23.19 | abrotman | Tch334: i bet it does |
| 22:23.28 | lvh | Tch334: I very much doubt it doesn't. |
| 22:23.45 | cusco | how do I open a gtk dialog box? |
| 22:23.52 | abrotman | cusco: in what? |
| 22:23.57 | Tch334 | lvh such as mouse control... |
| 22:24.02 | cusco | in a bash script |
| 22:24.03 | cusco | :p |
| 22:24.04 | lvh | Tch334: hahahahahaha |
| 22:24.11 | lvh | Tch334: So yeah anyway, use nano |
| 22:24.13 | cusco | with some text in |
| 22:24.28 | lvh | Tch334: also emacs23 has excellent mouse support! |
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| 22:24.34 | Tch334 | lvh nano is lame when it comes to copy paste stuffs |
| 22:24.49 | Tch334 | lvh even if it's great for most uses |
| 22:25.03 | lvh | Really? I thought nano had an emacs-like kill ring. |
| 22:25.09 | lvh | Which would make it awesome for copy-paste. |
| 22:25.10 | bbelt16ag | its the monitor |
| 22:25.11 | abrotman | using gedit as root is a really lame way to edit files |
| 22:25.28 | Tch334 | abrotman it works just fine |
| 22:25.40 | abrotman | Tch334: so why are you here asking how to make it work? |
| 22:25.52 | lvh | Tch334: Stand at the beginning of a line, press C-k. Then press C-u. Tadaa, line pasted. |
| 22:26.05 | Tch334 | abrotman cause it's not gedit the problem, but the x authorization |
| 22:26.25 | abrotman | but if you used nano/vim/emacs ... you wouldn't have that problem? |
| 22:26.36 | lvh | Also, selecting and pasting with middle mouse button works fine, since your terminal understands the X cut buffer. |
| 22:26.45 | Tch334 | common guys... i'm not here to play 'who's using the less gui' |
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| 22:26.55 | abrotman | and i gave the answer five minutes ago |
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| 22:27.07 | gimmal | Tch334: dude, neither are we |
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| 22:27.23 | abrotman | gimmal: please refrain from giving that command in the channel in the future .. even as a joke |
| 22:27.40 | gimmal | abrotman: ahh, sure, ok, no comment but ok |
| 22:27.46 | lvh | Aw. I was going to suggest doing it in a chroot jail :-( |
| 22:28.00 | abrotman | gimmal: not everyone understands what it does, and might actually try it .. |
| 22:28.04 | lvh | dpkg could have that as a magic keyword, perhaps. |
| 22:28.04 | dpkg | lvh: i don't know |
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| 22:29.03 | lvh | Similarly, don't suggest people do :#(#){ :#||:& };#: |
| 22:29.19 | lvh | (without the hashes, and one character removed -- if you know which one, you know what it doesn anyway) |
| 22:29.38 | lvh | Especially since that's much more obscure than the rm :-) |
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| 22:29.51 | abrotman | why do people think that's funny? |
| 22:29.57 | gimmal | Tch334: you ever heard the adage, "with great power comes great responsibility"? well, root has the ability to fux0r your whole system - including, deleting pretty-much every file on it, like "rm -rf /" would supposedly do. with GNOME/GTK/QT/xt/fancy-gui-toolkits, then, there are a lot of moving parts. if any one of those moving parts starts misbehaving, while it's running as root, or say you use one of those fancy menus to accidentall |
| 22:29.58 | lvh | Does that actually still work by default? I'm notsure what debian's default ulimits are. |
| 22:30.04 | bbelt16ag | ok new symption. |
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| 22:30.06 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.07 | epsas | Tch334 - so here's the thing. your X Server is configured by default to only allow connections from the process that is controlling the display. You have to tell the X server to allow connections from the "outside" |
| 22:30.19 | abrotman | gimmal: STOP IT |
| 22:30.34 | epsas | Tch334 - `xhost +` means "allow anybody to open an X connection to my X server" |
| 22:30.38 | karsten | Where would I find an old etch instlal guide? |
| 22:30.55 | avu | karsten, the oldstable archive should have the package |
| 22:30.56 | bbelt16ag | I did separate and twinview with nvidia, nothing brought I out of hibernate I guess, the sleep mode for lcds, until I switched to the console of F6 |
| 22:31.00 | bbelt16ag | then switched back. |
| 22:31.01 | abrotman | karsten: http://debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual |
| 22:31.01 | themill | !etch release notes |
| 22:31.01 | dpkg | etch release notes is, like, at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes See also http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/errata |
| 22:31.06 | karsten | avu: txs |
| 22:31.07 | epsas | Tch334 - The only problem with `xhost +` is that you might have strange xeyes processes popping up in your display if your network is used by other geeks ;) |
| 22:31.08 | x1250 | guys, does anyone know some search keywords to be able to mount a external driver or pendrive without X, like in a server? |
| 22:31.15 | bbelt16ag | its like its not finding the newly connected lcd screen.. |
| 22:31.17 | x1250 | automount I mean |
| 22:31.17 | karsten | themill: install guide, specifically boot options. |
| 22:31.26 | abrotman | epsas: he was given an answer 10 minutes ago that doesn't suck as bad as using xhost |
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| 22:31.38 | karsten | I'm doing a remote rescue boot of a box, trying to redirect console w/ a specified baud rate. |
| 22:31.40 | abrotman | karsten: i just gave you the answer! |
| 22:31.42 | avu | karsten, installation-guide-$arch |
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| 22:31.58 | karsten | abrotman: YEah, yeah. |
| 22:32.08 | avu | I somehow always prefer having that stuff locally instead of browsing a website |
| 22:32.19 | karsten | !beer abrotman |
| 22:32.19 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for abrotman |
| 22:32.22 | themill | !ig |
| 22:32.22 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.1) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 22:32.25 | themill | :P |
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| 22:32.31 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:32.47 | bbelt16ag | any ideas |
| 22:32.52 | abrotman | karsten: i'm pretty sure that most of the stuff on debian.org that references 'stable', etc can be changed to the code name |
| 22:33.17 | bbelt16ag | got a idea brb |
| 22:33.34 | lvh | abrotman: In case you needed any more help being convinced gimmal is dangerously insane, he's doubting if he should upgrade to sid. |
| 22:33.57 | abrotman | as long as he can clean up his own mess ... |
| 22:34.09 | karsten | themill: I know where the *CURRENT* IG is, TYVM. |
| 22:34.16 | epsas | abrotman - ? |
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| 22:34.28 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, it works. Crap I'm looking for's not there though. |
| 22:34.29 | abrotman | karsten: the second URL ? |
| 22:34.41 | themill | karsten: etch install guide....? |
| 22:34.46 | abrotman | karsten: what are you looking for? the options that allow you to type in to redirect? |
| 22:35.43 | lvh | Meh, I'm running emacs from CVS. I'm only partially sane myself :-p |
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| 22:36.00 | karsten | Got it. |
| 22:36.29 | karsten | abrotman: For some reason the past buffer on DRAC (dell's cRAp Console) doesn't take all the characters posted. |
| 22:36.40 | abrotman | shocker |
| 22:36.41 | karsten | abrotman: rescue console=ttyS1,57600 |
| 22:36.46 | karsten | abrotman: ... was all I needed. |
| 22:36.59 | karsten | I'm in. |
| 22:37.03 | karsten | Thanks. |
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| 22:40.31 | bbelt16ag | no workie *cry* |
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| 22:40.49 | bbelt16ag | why won't it work |
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| 22:42.03 | vi390 | hej, I know there must be one of this xorg KDE reconfigure config programms, but how is it called ? |
| 22:42.45 | lvh | vi390: xorg KDE? |
| 22:42.50 | lvh | vi390: also, dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 22:43.36 | vi390 | doesnt kde use xorg ? |
| 22:44.31 | abrotman | yes .. what do you want to do exactly ? |
| 22:44.31 | vi390 | hmm dpkg-reconfigure kde does not bring me the Resolution config (the one without doing it manualy) |
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| 22:44.53 | abrotman | vi390: it won't .. there should be an applet in the KDE Settings panel to choose the resolution |
| 22:45.08 | vi390 | abrotman: Yes I know, but its empty :( |
| 22:45.21 | bbelt16ag | no ideas? |
| 22:45.26 | vi390 | I cant select anything in there |
| 22:45.28 | abrotman | does `xrandr -q` return any resolutions ? |
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| 22:46.23 | vi390 | nope it doesnt , maybe its because its running in a virtual box |
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| 22:46.53 | vi390 | What I wanted is just force it to use a special resolution |
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| 22:48.15 | bbelt16ag | sigh I don't understand why my firewall won't let me connect to port 22, |
| 22:48.27 | bbelt16ag | I allowed for that connection, it should let me in right? |
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| 22:50.52 | bratline | http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538 http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538 http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538 http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538 http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538 http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538 http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538 http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538 http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538 |
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| 22:51.34 | bratline | http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538 http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538 http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538 http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538 http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538 http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538 http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538 http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538 |
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| 22:51.38 | adb | !ops bratline spam |
| 22:51.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: bratline spam |
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| 22:52.03 | x4d | Hello, I just setup Debian a few days ago and I've been testing file transfer speeds... My setup is a debian server and a mac g5, if I have the same disk physically in the mac I get around 85-90 MB/s write speeds and while connected directly through ethernet toe the server I get around 50 MB/s in write. Read speeds via ethernet are faster... now what could I do to improve this? Is it because ext3 is slow? what is the fastest file system? |
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| 22:52.37 | oh_noes | if I was doing a ghost like image deployment of deb, what things should I clear out (on first 'new' boot via a rc.local script) to keep the new OS clean? Im already doing ssh host keys |
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| 22:56.41 | deever | in /etc/network/interfaces, is there a way to define a bridge without bridge_ports? |
| 22:56.49 | bbelt16ag | its like it won't detect a signal from my ideo card.. |
| 22:56.53 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:57.11 | nkuttler | x4d: ext isn't slow |
| 22:57.32 | bbelt16ag | still isn't working |
| 22:57.34 | bbelt16ag | GRRRR |
| 22:57.46 | bbelt16ag | I am so gonna rip this video card to pieces in aminute if it don't work. |
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| 22:59.13 | x4d | nkuttler: well not slow, but can I go faster ? |
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| 22:59.38 | nkuttler | x4d: it depends on what you do with the fs i guess. read some benchmarks |
| 23:00.00 | macrobat | no one told Tch334 about gksu. is it frowned upon? |
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| 23:02.06 | adb | macrobat: get the same : (gedit:25261): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: |
| 23:02.33 | nkuttler | hm, what's with this coreutils upgrade? the description says it replaces mktemp.. |
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| 23:03.08 | abrotman | macrobat: i mentioned sux .. he ignored it |
| 23:04.36 | macrobat | maybe he didnt understand sux as being a tool to use :) |
| 23:05.49 | tlyu | kind of an unfortunate name for a tool, isn't it? |
| 23:06.44 | macrobat | all the best names are already taken |
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| 23:07.13 | dondelelcaro | su-with-x; sux. |
| 23:07.22 | nikola | Hello all. Is Debian also good for a home computer? |
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| 23:07.39 | dondelelcaro | nikola: I think so, but that's kind of a matter of personal taste |
| 23:07.47 | nikola | Oh, ok. Thank you |
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| 23:09.23 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: because it does? |
| 23:09.31 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps what's the cmd for cleaning out the init.d ? |
| 23:09.42 | dondelelcaro | bbelt16ag: just purge packages you don't have installed |
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| 23:10.20 | themill | dondelelcaro: apt is very unhappy about uninstalling an essential package though. Is there a way of smoothing that along? (an upload of a mktemp dummy package for example) |
| 23:10.38 | bbelt16ag | eh? |
| 23:10.46 | x4d | What is your opinion on speed for samba between Debian and FreeBSD? |
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| 23:10.51 | nkuttler | dondelelcaro: there's a nice bug report already |
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| 23:11.02 | nkuttler | themill: dpkg -i it |
| 23:11.03 | bbelt16ag | question, it seems like there is a verbose of what packages are trying to go out on my interfaces |
| 23:11.05 | unixdawg | hey guys need some help |
| 23:11.08 | streuner | !dbugs 531846 |
| 23:11.12 | dpkg | #531846:S[coreutils] coreutils: Upgrading to 7.4-1 makes apt-get ask for 'Yes, do as I say!' because of mktemp (); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:45:02 UTC [] |
| 23:11.14 | bbelt16ag | its going all over my consoles now how do I stop it |
| 23:11.21 | unixdawg | how do I disable the dma checking at kernel boot time |
| 23:11.41 | unixdawg | I get dma timeouts on the microdrive I am booting from |
| 23:11.43 | themill | nkuttler: non-trivial inside a cowbuilder. Not impossible, but annoying... and I can't see that forming a sensible part of the release notes for squeeze, can you? |
| 23:12.12 | nkuttler | themill: i read the bug report |
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| 23:14.14 | tuv | how can i keep track of the number of available updates without having to run an apt program periodically? maybe maintain a counter that is recalculated whenever an apt program is executed? is that possible? |
| 23:14.31 | bbelt16ag | well atleast that is over, |
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| 23:16.38 | steven | hello |
| 23:16.44 | steven | oh wrong channel |
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| 23:17.51 | cockroach | yes, please don't say hello in here ... :) |
| 23:18.38 | bronaugh | moo |
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| 23:19.06 | unixdawg | how do I disable the dma checking at kernel boot time? |
| 23:19.13 | adb | unixdawg: ide=nodma ? |
| 23:19.21 | unixdawg | where |
| 23:19.27 | unixdawg | what file do I set it |
| 23:19.35 | unixdawg | not a linux person |
| 23:19.50 | unixdawg | trying to fix a embedded system |
| 23:20.01 | unixdawg | do I add it to grub ? |
| 23:20.09 | adb | menu.lst ? |
| 23:20.23 | unixdawg | ok |
| 23:20.38 | unixdawg | do I make a line for it or add it to the kernel line |
| 23:20.52 | adb | add it to the kernel line |
| 23:21.22 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps any suggestions on a cli/curses server safe firewall? |
| 23:21.23 | adb | or edit grub at boot |
| 23:21.33 | bbelt16ag | its gotta be ok with headless and no X |
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| 23:24.38 | bbelt16ag | mount error 13 = Permission denied |
| 23:24.40 | bbelt16ag | why? |
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| 23:24.53 | adb | as root ? |
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| 23:26.28 | unixdawg | kernel /boot/vmlinux root=/dev/hda1 ro ide=nodma like that ? |
| 23:26.45 | ChrisW | gah, anyone got experience of setting up a wifi network that has multiple access points where you want to be able to roam between them? |
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| 23:27.35 | abrotman | shouldn't they be setup to be one network? |
| 23:28.12 | ChrisW | abrotman: yeah, SSIDs are the same, channels are differnet, which seems ot be what people recommend |
| 23:28.21 | bododo | I have a stupid question, why am I not able to have a static ip for my wifi interface? |
| 23:28.36 | bododo | It never worked for me, what could I be doing wrong? |
| 23:28.37 | abrotman | you are |
| 23:28.38 | ChrisW | bododo: there's nothing stopping you |
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| 23:28.52 | ChrisW | but moving a macbook pro between the areas covered by the two access points always results in a disconnect :-S |
| 23:28.59 | bronaugh | other than his mother possibly dropping him as a child :P |
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| 23:29.09 | unixdawg | the ide=nodma did not work |
| 23:29.13 | bododo | ChrisW: well, I've often tried to setup this with /etc/interfaces but it doesn't work |
| 23:29.14 | unixdawg | any other ideas |
| 23:29.32 | bododo | so I go back to dhcp |
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| 23:31.27 | unixdawg | kernel /boot/vmlinux root=/dev/hda1 ro ide=nodma did not work |
| 23:31.35 | unixdawg | did I set it wrong |
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| 23:32.21 | sandman | Can I comment out debian-volatile for my server? |
| 23:32.30 | sandman | Wouldn't that be a good idea? In sources.list, that is |
| 23:32.32 | jony123 | how do i remove my webserver from my system i've tryed sudo apt-get remove apache2 |
| 23:32.40 | bododo | Here is my interface config http://pastebin.com/m440f143f |
| 23:33.05 | bododo | wlan0 -for me- always needs dhcp to work |
| 23:33.13 | adb | unixdawg: it seems ok,... but seems not work , no idea why |
| 23:33.58 | streuner | how do you add mime-type for .h in FF? |
| 23:34.14 | streuner | in order to see a .h file directly? |
| 23:34.54 | bododo | anyone's seeing something wrong with my /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 23:35.05 | unixdawg | well it times out 5 times then boots |
| 23:35.12 | unixdawg | dont know why its not working |
| 23:35.36 | streuner | sandman: do you know what volatile is for? |
| 23:35.41 | sandman | Yes |
| 23:35.52 | sandman | Fast-changing software |
| 23:35.57 | sandman | Sorta like debian-and-a-half |
| 23:36.04 | streuner | sandman: so just read /msg dpkg volatile |
| 23:36.22 | streuner | virus-stuff could be a reason... |
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| 23:36.33 | sandman | I see. |
| 23:36.43 | sandman | So even for a server, it might be a good idea to keep it up to date? |
| 23:36.55 | sandman | That is, I should keep volatile lines in there? |
| 23:37.05 | streuner | could be |
| 23:37.43 | bododo | tell me folks, I looked everywhere but couldn't find a mouseless copy/past technique for urxvt, am I missing something? |
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| 23:39.06 | dondelelcaro | bododo: I'm not sure if one is available; I'd personally use screen |
| 23:40.07 | bododo | dondelelcaro: I'm on screen right now, but what if I want to copy/paste from firefox? |
| 23:40.21 | bododo | do I need a 3rd tool? |
| 23:41.01 | streuner | why not just use something else? |
| 23:41.11 | abrotman | bododo: highlight in iceweasel, then middle click in your terminal |
| 23:41.48 | bododo | abrotman: I'm on an ibook G4, and never got the middle click to work with the trackpad :( |
| 23:42.13 | bododo | this is what I was wondering if it's possible mouseless |
| 23:42.18 | themill | ahh yes that "wonderful" apple hardware that everyone keeps raving about |
| 23:42.31 | themill | bododo: does shift+insert work? |
| 23:42.40 | abrotman | bododo: you can get it .. you have to ask a mac person how to simulate |
| 23:42.44 | bododo | :) I got it for about 350$ - used |
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| 23:42.51 | bododo | themill: no "insert" key for me :( |
| 23:42.56 | adb | bododo: mouseemu - Emulate mouse buttons and mouse wheel |
| 23:42.57 | themill | ha! |
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| 23:43.32 | bododo | adb: i'm using mousemu in fact! but wasn't aware of the middle, I can right click with 3 fingers though |
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| 23:44.43 | bododo | wait!! this is a tap with two fingers! yay! :) |
| 23:45.11 | bododo | Named pipes are created via mkfifo or mknod: << comes from iceweasel! :) |
| 23:45.18 | macrobat | bododo, iceweasel-vimperator has a lot of mouse-less features |
| 23:45.27 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps what firewall would be good for a linux server |
| 23:45.28 | Superbartt | hmm |
| 23:45.40 | cockroach | bbelt16ag: iptables? |
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| 23:45.47 | bododo | macrobat: I should give it a try in fact, since I started to love ratpoison |
| 23:45.58 | Superbartt | I compiled a 2.6.30-rc8 kernel myself... copying the running configuration (debian squeeze) but it fails on unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
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| 23:46.34 | abrotman | so use a debian kernel |
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| 23:46.59 | jony123 | is their a command that will list all my installe packages using apt |
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| 23:47.02 | bbelt16ag | ok but I just tried and had hlaf a day destroyed.. |
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| 23:47.08 | abrotman | !tell jony123 about installed |
| 23:47.14 | bbelt16ag | are there any good current scripts ou there |
| 23:47.28 | Superbartt | abrotman i would like to test out some features in the new kernel... but it's a mystery to my why it's failing... googling mostly says errors about initrd, but I tryed all stated solutions |
| 23:47.37 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: tons .. netfilter.org/lartc.org/#iptables |
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| 23:48.43 | streuner | Superbartt: there are non-official kernels |
| 23:48.52 | streuner | Debian |
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| 23:49.12 | Gentoochild | hi again... I'm practically through with installation, but there are two issues remaining: |
| 23:49.24 | bernie_ | still cant figure out how to play you tube videos |
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| 23:49.31 | Gentoochild | kpowersave can't switch CPU governors, though cpufreqd and -utils is installed |
| 23:49.36 | Superbartt | streuner I wasn't able to find any |
| 23:49.51 | Superbartt | I thought it was because of 2.6.30 still being in rc status |
| 23:50.16 | streuner | sure |
| 23:50.20 | streuner | but they exist |
| 23:50.29 | Superbartt | any idea where? :P |
| 23:50.49 | abrotman | Gentoochild: you might need to load some kernel modules |
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| 23:52.15 | bbelt16ag | abrotman: I don't see any scripts... |
| 23:52.18 | streuner | http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 23:52.48 | Superbartt | nice m8 |
| 23:52.49 | Gentoochild | abrotman: any idea which one(s)? It's a Pentium-m of the first generation centrino |
| 23:52.55 | Superbartt | hope they'll run on squeeze |
| 23:53.04 | abrotman | nope |
| 23:53.15 | Gentoochild | ah mom... modprobe -l|grep cpu helps |
| 23:53.46 | streuner | Superbartt: hm, could be a problem, but you can always use the config ;-) |
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| 23:53.56 | Superbartt | good idea =) |
| 23:54.06 | Superbartt | thanks |
| 23:54.10 | Gentoochild | abrotman: I thought they would get loaded automatically when cpufreqd is started |
| 23:54.23 | runa_ | hi i have debian testing and e17 on an old laptop. I want to remove the unnecessary things. which are in your opinion the most resource using services or things on which i can trim. i use the laptop as a personal pc ... |
| 23:54.32 | Gentoochild | (I'm used to having the gonvernors compiled into the kernel) |
| 23:55.18 | Superbartt | runa_ gdm and init |
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| 23:55.41 | runa_ | init? |
| 23:55.58 | runa_ | what should i replace it with |
| 23:56.00 | Gentoochild | hm... not even setting a frequency manually works. I'm still missing something |
| 23:56.14 | runa_ | i thought it was foundamental |
| 23:57.08 | dondelelcaro | Gentoochild: what does cpufreq-info; output? Have you adjusted the min/max? |
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| 23:57.43 | Gentoochild | dondelelcaro: there are several governors available, HW limits 600..1500MHz |
| 23:57.44 | Gentoochild | all correct |
| 23:57.52 | runa_ | Superbartt do you mean some services? |
| 23:59.59 | Gentoochild | dondelelcaro: could it be that it also needs powersaved? |
