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| 00:00.31 | Gentoochild | or are the similar names just a coincidence (as I believe to recall) |
| 00:00.45 | Superbartt | streuner worked like a charm =) |
| 00:01.27 | jpinx | runa_: https://wiki.debian.org/FreeSpace |
| 00:01.37 | jpinx | runa_: some tips for removing stuff there |
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| 00:01.56 | Gentoochild | well, my other of the two issues: |
| 00:02.05 | Gentoochild | I installed ipw2100, it's working OK. But knetworkmanager doesn't show any devices. |
| 00:03.00 | Gentoochild | I don't have any real experience with that app (the setup is for someone else), I'm used to having my interfaces as a service to (re)start |
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| 00:03.35 | themill | Gentoochild: did you configure the wireless device in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:04.07 | Gentoochild | themill: nope. I'm unfamiliar with that file (as you might guess, I use gentoo normally ;-) |
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| 00:04.33 | themill | Gentoochild: make sure that interface isn't mentioned in that file at all |
| 00:04.41 | Gentoochild | it isn't |
| 00:04.47 | Gentoochild | there's only a line for lo |
| 00:05.02 | themill | that should be enough for network manager to get involved |
| 00:05.07 | Gentoochild | "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" |
| 00:05.14 | dondelelcaro | Gentoochild: the governers isn't the question, the main question is whether you can change the frequencies, and what level they're set to and what driver is being used |
| 00:05.49 | enouf | Gentoochild: insure speedstep is enabled in the BIOS and the kernel; grep SPEED /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 00:05.50 | dondelelcaro | Gentoochild: can you manually change the frequency using cpufreq-set? are the min/max set appropriately? |
| 00:06.02 | streuner | Superbartt: just luck :-P |
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| 00:06.43 | Gentoochild | enouf: SPEEDSTEP options are all enabled |
| 00:06.48 | Superbartt | unfortunatly i'm not lucky streuner |
| 00:06.48 | Gentoochild | also, it definitely works |
| 00:06.51 | Superbartt | i'm missing linux-kbuild-2.6.30 :x |
| 00:06.56 | Gentoochild | in previous installations of Linux as well as WinXP |
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| 00:07.06 | streuner | hm, thats not unusual :-) |
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| 00:07.13 | Gentoochild | (I just installed fresh today to remember everything) |
| 00:07.26 | enouf | Gentoochild: are you using a debian kernel? |
| 00:07.28 | Superbartt | and can only find the powerpc version |
| 00:07.43 | Gentoochild | enouf: I believe so. 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 00:07.46 | streuner | just compile the kernel yourself then |
| 00:07.48 | Superbartt | ah well... let's get my own branch up and running using the current config |
| 00:07.49 | enouf | ok |
| 00:07.56 | Superbartt | great minds think alike streuner :D |
| 00:07.58 | streuner | sure |
| 00:08.10 | streuner | (compiling) |
| 00:08.33 | Gentoochild | enouf: hm... upon installation, I selected to build a custom initrd for my hardware. Could that be a possible reason? |
| 00:08.43 | Gentoochild | so not a general initrd for all possible HW |
| 00:08.51 | enouf | ~$ grep MPENTIUM /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 00:09.21 | enouf | well - Gentoochild - if you altered modules = most, then perhaps i guess it could be an issue |
| 00:09.23 | Gentoochild | enouf: they're all not set :-=) |
| 00:09.38 | Gentoochild | i didn't alter any settings, though |
| 00:09.43 | Gentoochild | it's still default kernel config |
| 00:10.25 | Superbartt | lol |
| 00:10.32 | Superbartt | my new subwoofer managed to shaek-out my monitor cable :X |
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| 00:10.47 | enouf | same here - however, look through the Kconfig help for what those actually do - i wouldn't think the MPENTIUMM is needed, nor do i recall if that option is more for the p4 mobile versions as opposed to the pentium-m |
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| 00:12.05 | jony123 | how hard is it to go from etch to lenny |
| 00:12.55 | Superbartt | jony123 how are you vim skills? and are you able to to apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 00:13.48 | macrobat | !etch->lenny |
| 00:13.56 | jony123 | vim skills? and yes to the last two |
| 00:14.10 | Superbartt | are you able to modify your /etc/apt/sources.list ;) |
| 00:14.23 | jony123 | umm if i know what im meant to out in there |
| 00:14.25 | macrobat | vim, it's even better than nano |
| 00:14.41 | jony123 | cant i just use nano |
| 00:14.47 | Superbartt | let's not that that discussion macrobat :P |
| 00:14.50 | Superbartt | yes ofcourse :p |
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| 00:15.12 | deever | in /etc/network/interfaces, is there a way to define a bridge without bridge_ports? |
| 00:15.13 | macrobat | yes, nano is the tool for the job |
| 00:15.46 | HardDisk_WP | find . -depth 1 |
| 00:15.46 | HardDisk_WP | find: paths must precede expression: 1 |
| 00:15.48 | HardDisk_WP | wtf? |
| 00:15.58 | HardDisk_WP | what did I do wrong? |
| 00:16.01 | jony123 | so deb http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ etch main would be deb http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 00:17.30 | jony123 | Superbartt is that right |
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| 00:18.19 | Gentoochild | enouf: there's something interesting: cpufregd-get says no cpufreqd socket found |
| 00:18.29 | HardDisk_WP | jony123, yes |
| 00:18.42 | jony123 | cool |
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| 00:18.55 | HardDisk_WP | jony123, then run apt-get update |
| 00:19.01 | HardDisk_WP | then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:19.03 | HardDisk_WP | then PRAY |
| 00:19.05 | HardDisk_WP | ;) |
| 00:19.07 | adb | jony123: read bot message !etch->lenny |
| 00:19.13 | HardDisk_WP | !etch->lenny |
| 00:19.20 | HardDisk_WP | adb, the bot is dead. |
| 00:19.24 | jony123 | and deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main would be deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 00:19.25 | HardDisk_WP | dpkg, !etch->lenny |
| 00:19.25 | dpkg | HardDisk_WP: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 00:19.30 | xshadowfire | HardDisk_WP: -depth doesn't take a parameter, did you mean -maxdepth? |
| 00:19.31 | HardDisk_WP | dpkg, !etch->lenny |
| 00:19.40 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.08 | HardDisk_WP | xshadowfire, aah... thanks |
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| 00:22.05 | Gentoochild | on the other hand, I use cpufreq on my gentoo as well, there I don't even have cpufreqd installed |
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| 00:26.09 | JaSonGG | um... does blank screen means turning the black light off ? |
| 00:26.16 | JaSonGG | back light* |
| 00:26.53 | JaSonGG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:27.04 | xshadowfire | what |
| 00:27.25 | xshadowfire | blank screen of death maybe? |
| 00:27.28 | xshadowfire | fufu |
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| 00:27.33 | JaSonGG | :o |
| 00:27.43 | xshadowfire | JaSonGG: do you just not get a display? |
| 00:27.51 | Gentoochild | enouf: I can't load the speedstep_centrino module, it says "device or resource busy" |
| 00:28.26 | Gentoochild | I'll research this a little more |
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| 00:29.12 | porchmonky6 | any one familiar with parsix |
| 00:29.16 | JaSonGG | hi xshadowfire no, I am trying to figure out if blank screen turn the light off my laptop's LCD, bevcause when I don't use my PC for a while, it supposedly turn off the LCD back lights, but it didn't so I wonder if I shoudl set it to blank screen, or "do nothing" |
| 00:30.04 | xshadowfire | a blank screen means there's no display |
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| 00:30.11 | xshadowfire | or rather |
| 00:30.13 | xshadowfire | your lcd is off |
| 00:30.25 | xshadowfire | no backlight is just hard to see |
| 00:30.35 | JaSonGG | odd, but somhow the light is still on.. um.. thanks, ona find 0ut why |
| 00:30.42 | porchmonky6 | power managment setings maybe |
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| 00:32.03 | Gentoochild | now it's getting interesting... in debianforum.de I read that acpi_cpufreq and speedstep_centrino exclude each other. So I unloaded acpi_cpufreq and loaded speedstep |
| 00:32.12 | Gentoochild | now I can setup a governor on the console |
| 00:33.05 | Gentoochild | but kpowersave still doesn |
| 00:33.13 | Gentoochild | 't want to comply... |
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| 00:42.01 | jmd | Whenever any users log in to my new lenny box, they get a message saying "You have new mail", even if they don't. Which package should I file a bug against? |
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| 00:43.13 | dondelelcaro | jmd: pam_mail does it; it's generally fairly accurate |
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| 00:47.58 | k-man | anyone know how I can do backups from my debian box to amazon s3? |
| 00:48.06 | wearetheanon | what is a good Yahoo! Chat client for Deb? (or is there anyway to access Yahoo! Chat rooms without the client, like maybe a website? that would be even better) |
| 00:48.32 | k-man | wearetheanon: i think pidgeon can do it? |
| 00:48.46 | wearetheanon | ok ty |
| 00:49.09 | jmd | dondelelcaro, Its sensitivity is certainly very high, but the specificity sucks! |
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| 00:50.09 | deever | in /etc/network/interfaces, is there a way to define a bridge without bridge_ports? |
| 00:50.14 | Megaf | G'day, may you tell me a good and simple and small software just like Paint to edit images? |
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| 00:50.35 | Megaf | im using XFCE if this help somehow |
| 00:51.19 | jmd | Megaf, There used to be a thing called xpaint |
| 00:51.30 | abrotman | tuxpaint maybe |
| 00:51.46 | Megaf | i need somthing to crop a image |
| 00:51.47 | jmd | Megaf, Or try apt-get install gpaint |
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| 00:51.51 | Megaf | and save that crop |
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| 00:52.30 | deffd | a very small and stupid question: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/bt-dvd/ <- 5 DVDs there.. so, what the full install is something like 23 GB? What am I not seeing |
| 00:52.46 | jmd | I would use Gimp. It satisfies most of your criteria, but not the "small" one. |
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| 00:53.26 | jpinx | Megaf I use irfanview in wine |
| 00:53.28 | dondelelcaro | Megaf: inkscape or the gimp |
| 00:53.40 | dondelelcaro | (depending on whether you're dealing with vectors or bitmaps) |
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| 00:54.48 | jmd | dondelelcaro, /etc/pam.d/sshd contains the line "session optional pam_mail.so standard noenv # [1]" |
| 00:54.55 | jmd | I wonder what the comment means? |
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| 00:55.40 | Megaf | jmd, gpaint is perfect! Thanks a million |
| 00:56.08 | crazy_pete | i dont know if this can work or not, (religious mixed marriages and all) but i use an rpm based distro and my girlfriend uses debian! I dont really wanna bother to learn the deb package specs/format, is there any easy .rpm -> .deb converter? |
| 00:56.10 | jmd | Megaf, np. I haven't used it for several years myself. |
| 00:56.46 | crazy_pete | or is the deb packager simple enough that i might bother? |
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| 00:57.05 | abrotman | crazy_pete: alien |
| 00:57.06 | deffd | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-dvd/ <-- yes, each does indeed seem to be 4.something GB.. please pardon me if my question seems silly, but how can it be so big? something like 20 GB? |
| 00:57.18 | jmd | crazy_pete, If you just want to install/uninstall packages, there's no need to "learn" anything. |
| 00:57.44 | Megaf | jmd, nope, is not =/ |
| 00:58.01 | jmd | In my experience, just "using" debs is a zillion times easier than rpms |
| 00:58.09 | Megaf | i doesnt have crop function |
| 00:58.10 | crazy_pete | hmm i probably phrased that question terribly, i am sorry |
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| 00:58.23 | gimmal | apt: xorg.conf? |
| 00:58.25 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 00:58.25 | dpkg | it has been said that refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 00:58.25 | crazy_pete | i create a tonne of RPMS from scratch, use a tonne of rpms etc |
| 00:58.30 | Megaf | i just need something to crop a image |
| 00:58.37 | gimmal | dpkg: xorg.conf? |
| 00:58.38 | dpkg | gimmal: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 00:58.41 | deffd | !ping |
| 00:58.41 | dpkg | Yes, deffd, you are online. |
| 00:58.42 | jmd | Megaf, Then try Gimp or Imagemagick |
| 00:59.03 | deffd | Was my question too stupid? :x |
| 00:59.13 | k-man | crazy_pete: is there some special thing you need to install from an rpm? or you just don't want to learn how to use the debian package system? |
| 00:59.15 | crazy_pete | so i have many packages that are afaik only available as RPMS but i want her to be able to install them as debs. So i either need to find a simple rpm -> deb or specfile -> whatever deb uses for specfiles converter |
| 00:59.19 | Megaf | gimp is huge |
| 00:59.28 | abrotman | !dstats lenny |
| 00:59.36 | gimmal | eeek, tldp.org is not what i'm looking for. is there something that can generate xorg.conf from scratch, given available hardware? trying to convert from a clunky ATI card back to on-board vid, and xorg is making odd complaints about not being able to load glx, although nothing in xorg.conf is telling it to load glx |
| 00:59.39 | crazy_pete | it is not so much that i dont want to learn the deb packaging system as there is just so much on my plate right now |
| 00:59.40 | k-man | crazy_pete: like what sort of package? why not just install prebuilt .debs? |
| 00:59.50 | gimmal | so maybe if there's a command that can make an xorg.conf from scratch, it would make it all right to start with |
| 00:59.52 | crazy_pete | some of these do not exist as prebuilt debs |
| 01:00.00 | abrotman | crazy_pete: such as ? |
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| 01:00.07 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 23104 packages, 1932 maintainers, 59106 MB installed size, 20863 MB compressed size. |
| 01:00.08 | abrotman | deffd: ^^ |
| 01:00.21 | jmd | Surely gpaint lets you cut/paste a rectangular section? That amounts to the same as a crop. |
| 01:00.23 | deffd | abrotman, yes please...? |
| 01:00.25 | crazy_pete | such as packages i write myself, abrotman |
| 01:00.29 | k-man | crazy_pete: i'd like to know too |
| 01:00.33 | crazy_pete | not to mention myriad others |
| 01:00.40 | k-man | crazy_pete: like what? how many packages do you make yourself? |
| 01:00.41 | pl4yer0ne | these days doesnt xorg wrok ok without any xorg.conf? |
| 01:00.52 | crazy_pete | what difference does it make kman? |
| 01:00.54 | abrotman | deffd: i was showing you the size |
| 01:01.10 | k-man | crazy_pete: give me one example of something your gf _needs_ that is not already available as a .deb |
| 01:01.11 | abrotman | crazy_pete: i did mention alien five minutes ago |
| 01:01.15 | gimmal | wnh on earth would xorg want glx, when nothing in xorg.conf mentions either dri or glx? |
| 01:01.17 | crazy_pete | probably have about half a dozen including one i wrote today for an auto-tools tutorial (that is just one example) |
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| 01:01.23 | jmd | crazy_pete, apt-get install rpm |
| 01:01.48 | crazy_pete | another is an avr embedded software package demo package i wrote (which she needs) in C++/Asm |
| 01:01.51 | deffd | abrotman, my god.. so it really is that big. I'm assuming most people don't use all 5 DVDs? |
| 01:02.02 | crazy_pete | so you think the easiest thing to do is simply for her to install RPM on lenny? |
| 01:02.06 | abrotman | deffd: most people use the netinst and get the rest from http sources via their broadband |
| 01:02.14 | abrotman | crazy_pete: i've said 'alien' twice now |
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| 01:02.17 | crazy_pete | there is no conversion tool for rpm to deb |
| 01:02.20 | abrotman | !tell crazy_pete about alien |
| 01:02.27 | abrotman | puts himself on ignore |
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| 01:02.28 | crazy_pete | sorry abrotman i honestly did not see it the first 2 times |
| 01:02.39 | crazy_pete | lol i did not have you on ignore abrotman :) |
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| 01:02.44 | k-man | snikkers |
| 01:03.04 | k-man | crazy_pete: i still cannot believe you really make so many packages |
| 01:03.04 | abrotman | crazy_pete: it's okay |
| 01:03.16 | crazy_pete | well i have been a C++ developer for 20 years k-man |
| 01:03.29 | abrotman | oh no .. a developer that wants to be an admin ... |
| 01:03.34 | crazy_pete | and if i have even ONE package for which no .deb is available the problem exists |
| 01:03.43 | abrotman | !tell crazy_pete about mg |
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| 01:03.57 | crazy_pete | lol i dont want to be an admin, i just want to be able to give my friends who use debian the ability to use the package manager fo their choice |
| 01:04.09 | k-man | !tell me about mg |
| 01:04.31 | abrotman | !tell k-man about selftell |
| 01:04.33 | crazy_pete | wow |
| 01:04.48 | abrotman | wow? |
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| 01:04.53 | crazy_pete | alien looks the very thing, thank you very much for your help abrotman and i apologise again for not seeing it the first TWO times |
| 01:05.06 | crazy_pete | that wow :) |
| 01:05.10 | k-man | abrotman: i didn't know "me" would work - i just thought i'd try it :) |
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| 01:05.40 | abrotman | crazy_pete: if you're writing your own software .. you could learn the debian/ stuff and make it so you can create rpms and debs from one source tree |
| 01:05.48 | crazy_pete | and just for the helluvit since you are being helpful, where is a good place to go to learn about the debian package manager |
| 01:06.00 | crazy_pete | yes that occured to me, since i know a few people who use debian |
| 01:06.00 | abrotman | package format or manager? |
| 01:06.23 | abrotman | crazy_pete: it depends on her actual distro TBH |
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| 01:06.32 | crazy_pete | well rpm = redhat package manager so i assume that debian package whatever is also called a "manager"? |
| 01:06.36 | gimmal | so i answered my question. fglrx-driver installed a wonky script under /etc/X11/Xsession that breaks when there's no glx drv available |
| 01:06.51 | gimmal | and when it breaks, it breaks the x server. wheeeeeeeee |
| 01:07.01 | crazy_pete | her actual distro is debian and i am guessing lenny |
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| 01:07.24 | gimmal | will not be returning to ATI, ever, nor AMD, ever by choice, thank you |
| 01:07.32 | abrotman | crazy_pete: man aptitude .. install aptitude-doc-en |
| 01:07.43 | crazy_pete | lol thank so very much abrotman |
| 01:07.46 | abrotman | probably also shold read man apt-get/apt-cache/ |
| 01:07.52 | abrotman | !tell crazy_pete about refcard |
| 01:07.54 | crazy_pete | yeah apt i know a bit about |
| 01:08.02 | crazy_pete | kinda like apt tbh |
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| 01:08.16 | LinuxMafia | hi |
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| 01:08.36 | LinuxMafia | how can i install vlc-9.9 in debian |
| 01:08.42 | abrotman | judd: versions vlc |
| 01:08.43 | judd | abrotman: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 squeeze: 0.9.8a-3 sid: 0.9.9a-2 |
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| 01:08.51 | abrotman | LinuxMafia: running which version of debian ? |
| 01:09.09 | LinuxMafia | lenny |
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| 01:09.54 | tom760` | I was trying to setup my system using only my Debian 5.0 DVD and not have to use apt-get over the internet. That way it would be reproducible and I wouldn't have to worry about possible updates breaking things. |
| 01:10.29 | tom760` | Is there an easy way to allow apt-get to use the internet but only package versions available as of the 5.0 DVD release? |
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| 01:11.05 | LinuxMafia | abrotman, i have gentoo myself , but my friend has debian , my vlc is 9.9 and it can play very good a tv stream , but his vlc is 8.6 and can not play the stream well |
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| 01:11.27 | tom760` | apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.26 gives me an error about can not open /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org... i'm afraid to apt-get update. |
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| 01:12.50 | jpinx | LinuxMafia: did you look at backports? Or maybe backporting from sid? |
| 01:12.54 | owen1 | how to mount an SD card? i see it in fdisk but mount -t auto /dev/sdd /media/memory_card "tells me wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock.." |
| 01:13.16 | crazy_pete | is there a non root command i can use to determine what version of debian someone is running? (She is in the bathtub so i ssh'd into her box, i am curious as to what version she is running too) |
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| 01:14.24 | abrotman | !tell crazy_pete about version |
| 01:14.34 | crazy_pete | ty abrotman |
| 01:15.02 | k-man | !tell me about version |
| 01:15.12 | abrotman | k-man: /msg dpkg foo |
| 01:15.26 | LinuxMafia | jpinx, whats backports |
| 01:15.29 | crazy_pete | uname -a doesnt do anything but tell the kernel version etc |
| 01:15.41 | jpinx | LinuxMafia: backports.org |
| 01:15.53 | abrotman | crazy_pete: the factoid tells you a bunch of stuff |
| 01:15.56 | k-man | abrotman: ok |
| 01:15.58 | jmd | crazy_pete, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:16.05 | jpinx | crazy_pete: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:16.11 | owen1 | cat i mount an FAT16 SD card? |
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| 01:16.24 | k-man | owen1: i believe so, yes |
| 01:16.28 | owen1 | cat=can |
| 01:16.32 | crazy_pete | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.33 | jpinx | owen1: yes |
| 01:16.36 | crazy_pete | that is lenny right? |
| 01:16.36 | LinuxMafia | jpinx, ok thanks i look now |
| 01:16.42 | abrotman | crazy_pete: yes |
| 01:16.51 | owen1 | i see it in fdisk but mount -t auto /dev/sdd /media/memory_card tells me "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock.." |
| 01:16.59 | crazy_pete | thank you very very much abrotman you have done a world of help for both of us |
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| 01:17.06 | abrotman | don't tell anyone |
| 01:17.12 | crazy_pete | lol abrotman |
| 01:17.15 | Gentoochild | In case someone is interested, I've found the solution. |
| 01:17.19 | Gentoochild | I needed to add my user to the powerdev group. Now kpowersave works together with acpi-cpufreq |
| 01:17.24 | jpinx | owen1: man mount |
| 01:17.53 | crazy_pete | and it may already be mounted, owen1 i know on my system i have a few demons running that do that sort of thing |
| 01:17.54 | owen1 | jpinx: man mount helped me to constract the mount command. |
| 01:17.57 | jpinx | owen1: -t is vfat |
| 01:17.59 | ffs | in which log should i look to try and figure out why my box keeps crashing at random times? i was thinking of running some ssh sessions and tailing a few different logs... but wanted to get quite speicific if i could |
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| 01:18.12 | owen1 | jpinx: ok |
| 01:18.13 | crazy_pete | see if there is an entry in df owen1 ? |
| 01:18.17 | crazy_pete | man df |
| 01:18.35 | crazy_pete | anyway thank you again very much abrotman |
| 01:18.41 | owen1 | crazy_pete: i'll take a look |
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| 01:21.18 | Gentoochild | g'n8 and thanks for the gelp. |
| 01:21.44 | owen1 | i don't see it in df -h |
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| 01:22.02 | jpinx | owen1: do the -t vfat |
| 01:22.22 | owen1 | jpinx: i tried. got the same message |
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| 01:22.25 | oh_noes | is it possible to configure an alternatie/failover IP for DHCP Client if it can't find a DHCP server? |
| 01:22.34 | owen1 | sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdd /media/memory_card/ |
| 01:22.52 | jpinx | owen1: delete the trailing slash |
| 01:23.13 | owen1 | jpinx: ok. it is sdd1. thanks! |
| 01:23.39 | jony123 | how long is the update from etch to lenny supposed to take |
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| 01:23.58 | jpinx | depends on your connection jony123 |
| 01:24.07 | jpinx | mine took about 2 hours |
| 01:24.18 | deffd | and your down speed is? |
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| 01:24.34 | Noble | Whats the difference between icedtea6-plugin and sun-java6-plugin? |
| 01:24.39 | jony123 | mines uo to the stage were its replacing stuff |
| 01:25.01 | jpinx | jony123: if it's still progressing it's probably ok |
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| 01:26.09 | jony123 | jpinx yea i know its ok just thought it would be quicker |
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| 01:27.12 | JaSonGG | gmfsk |
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| 01:33.43 | LinuxMafia | i fogot my root password |
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| 01:34.06 | LinuxMafia | when i go to single mode it still asks for password |
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| 01:34.47 | Polarina | LinuxMafia: How did you forget your root password? |
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| 01:35.04 | adb | LinuxMafia: as gentoo user ? |
| 01:35.10 | LinuxMafia | Polarina, i did not use it alot |
| 01:35.20 | LinuxMafia | adb, i have debian too |
| 01:35.29 | Polarina | has never forgot a single password through her life. |
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| 01:35.54 | LinuxMafia | Polarina, yeah but now what i can do? |
| 01:36.01 | jonathan1 | hi i have a script to suspend my system and i have to run it as root, how can i lock my session if im using gnome-screensaver? |
| 01:36.17 | LinuxMafia | i can not install any thing |
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| 01:37.04 | Polarina | LinuxMafia: Download a gentoo minimal install CD, chroot into / of the filesystem and change the password. |
| 01:37.30 | LinuxMafia | Polarina, i have the cd |
| 01:37.41 | Tramp | !tell LinuxMafia -about ifrp |
| 01:37.43 | Polarina | LinuxMafia: Use it. :) |
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| 01:38.51 | LinuxMafia | thanks |
| 01:38.55 | LinuxMafia | i try it |
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| 01:40.40 | LinuxMafia | Tramp, it says target filesystem does not have /bin/sh |
| 01:40.52 | Polarina | LinuxMafia: o.O |
| 01:41.12 | Tramp | LinuxMafia: what version of Debian is that? |
| 01:41.27 | LinuxMafia | how do i know |
| 01:41.49 | Tramp | You don't know what you have installed? |
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| 01:42.21 | jpinx | LinuxMafia: are you running gentoo? |
| 01:42.28 | adb | ah , a gentoo user |
| 01:42.37 | Polarina | Tramp: He forgot, just like his password. |
| 01:42.41 | LinuxMafia | jpinx, i have debian too |
| 01:42.42 | blouf | ok that's a stupid stuff but ... |
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| 01:42.58 | LinuxMafia | jpinx, havent use it for long time |
| 01:42.58 | blouf | anyone know how to hav a now playing script for irssi and mplayer ? |
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| 01:43.59 | adb | maybe you are a cracker ... |
| 01:44.15 | LinuxMafia | it might be easier to use live cd |
| 01:44.39 | jpinx | LinuxMafia: you previously said it was "your friend" who had debian |
| 01:45.02 | jpinx | so your credibility has probably gone now;) |
| 01:45.10 | LinuxMafia | jpinx, yeah , i just forgot i have dual boot with debian in other machine too |
| 01:45.37 | jpinx | LinuxMafia: if it is such along time since you used it, do a fresh install |
| 01:45.37 | LinuxMafia | jpinx, that's why i wanted to try backports my self first and let him know |
| 01:46.01 | LinuxMafia | jpinx, 2months |
| 01:46.08 | adb | LinuxMafia: vlc is not in backports |
| 01:46.27 | LinuxMafia | so how can i get vlc-9.9 |
| 01:46.31 | LinuxMafia | in debian |
| 01:46.34 | jpinx | adb: I was guessing, but he can still do a sid backport |
| 01:46.58 | jpinx | !tell LinuxMafia about ssb |
| 01:47.18 | adb | LinuxMafia: find your password first |
| 01:47.33 | LinuxMafia | jpinx, yeah i did that too , but all vlc's where 8.6 |
| 01:47.51 | jpinx | judd: versions vlc |
| 01:47.51 | judd | jpinx: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 squeeze: 0.9.8a-3 sid: 0.9.9a-2 |
| 01:47.54 | adb | judd: versions vlc |
| 01:47.54 | judd | adb: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 squeeze: 0.9.8a-3 sid: 0.9.9a-2 |
| 01:48.03 | jpinx | ;) |
| 01:48.04 | adb | err , nm |
| 01:48.30 | LinuxMafia | jpinx, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. |
| 01:48.47 | jpinx | LinuxMafia: just follow the instructions |
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| 01:48.56 | LinuxMafia | jpinx, i dont get the first step |
| 01:49.25 | jpinx | !tell LinuxMafia about sources.list |
| 01:50.24 | LinuxMafia | jpinx, yeah but what mirror i have to add |
| 01:50.40 | jpinx | !tell LinuxMafia about mirrors |
| 01:51.29 | LinuxMafia | jpinx, so i choose one mirror and add deb-src mirror |
| 01:51.41 | LinuxMafia | jpinx, that is first step? |
| 01:52.14 | jpinx | LinuxMafia: paste cat /etc/sources.list |
| 01:52.35 | LinuxMafia | jpinx, my friend did not have that file |
| 01:52.47 | LinuxMafia | i am tring to chroot to my one |
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| 01:53.42 | adb | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:54.08 | LinuxMafia | adb, let me i be back in 2 min |
| 01:54.24 | adb | gn8 |
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| 02:05.40 | Tannv | Hill all, |
| 02:05.57 | jmd | Tannv, Hill yourself |
| 02:06.21 | Tannv | now, I want to create my own debian distribution |
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| 02:08.43 | LinuxMafia | wow |
| 02:08.46 | Tannv | can you tell me the way to create the database in order to create a debian like mirror server |
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| 02:08.57 | LinuxMafia | root pass has been changed |
| 02:09.18 | LinuxMafia | i cant bieleve it |
| 02:09.51 | LinuxMafia | i changed the root pass i could su |
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| 02:10.06 | LinuxMafia | but now i cant |
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| 02:27.04 | Tannv | Hello |
| 02:27.20 | Tannv | Can you help me? |
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| 02:28.19 | sepult | what is the problem ? |
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| 02:54.54 | Tannv | How to Maintain Contents.gz of debian |
| 02:54.56 | Tannv | ? |
| 02:57.06 | adb | Tannv: how many are you ? |
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| 02:57.49 | adb | nm |
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| 03:06.11 | jmd | a m too uncool to know about? |
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| 03:11.49 | amazon10x | hello |
| 03:12.15 | amazon10x | my auth.log is empty. i think it's because i'm missing some kind of logging package. any idea which one i need to apt-get? |
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| 03:15.04 | adb | !search |
| 03:15.05 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking. Eg, 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install) 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online), and <help find> (bot). <dpkg search> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 03:16.49 | amazon10x | adb, i see a bunch of packages about logging. i'm trying to find out what the "standard" debian package is for it |
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| 03:17.01 | bookmark | hello world! |
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| 03:17.21 | bookmark | hey what is the good notepad? |
| 03:17.27 | projkt4 | nano |
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| 03:17.38 | bookmark | yeah but i need like to paste a table from a webpage |
| 03:17.46 | bookmark | i need like the real thing |
| 03:18.26 | pickcoder | bookmark: install a desktop? |
| 03:18.27 | jpinx | bookmark: scite |
| 03:18.30 | bookmark | nice |
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| 03:22.41 | [1]ksnp | hi, how do i setup a static ip for debian ? |
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| 03:24.37 | mohed_ | hello guys, im having some problems adding a MX record to my named.config.local under ubuntu. Anyone care to help out ? |
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| 03:25.44 | jmd | mohed_, That might be more appropriate for #bind |
| 03:25.58 | projkt4 | i have a problem setting up a cups server, i configured my /etc/cups/cupsd.conf as such http://pastebin.com/m801eac6 unfortunately, when i try and connect to 10.30.0.125:631, i get "403 forbidden" what am i doing wrong? |
| 03:26.41 | mohed_ | im trying in #bind #dns #httpd #postfix without any luck =( |
| 03:28.08 | adb | more appropriate is #ubuntu |
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| 03:28.34 | adb | or google |
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| 03:31.04 | mohed_ | are they more helpful there ?? |
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| 03:31.32 | jmd | I don't know |
| 03:32.12 | adb | http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=problems+adding+a+MX+record+to+my+named.config.local+under+ubuntu |
| 03:32.18 | jmd | But people very often ignore vague requests such as "I want to do X, can someone help me". |
| 03:32.51 | jmd | Much better is to say what you tried, what happended when you tried it, and how it differed from what you expected. |
| 03:32.51 | bronaugh | your bong is empty. go fill it. |
| 03:33.06 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.07 | jmd | That way, people have an idea of where to start. |
| 03:33.08 | RaymondX | hi i want to do Y, can someone help me? |
| 03:33.32 | bronaugh | hi I want to do your mom, can someone help me? |
| 03:33.33 | liable | !irritate RaymondX |
| 03:33.33 | dpkg | RaymondX: wenas how can I make my lindows werkz U FUX0RZ |
| 03:33.41 | mohed_ | im trying to establesh comunication befor i state my problem in leangth |
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| 03:34.06 | bronaugh | mohed_: that doesn't work. |
| 03:34.06 | gaintsura | any recommendations on a mail service app with ssl, admin panel, imap, smtp, pop3, optional webmail? |
| 03:34.08 | bronaugh | state your problem. |
| 03:34.15 | gaintsura | oh and multiple domain name support |
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| 03:34.48 | jmd | !tell mohed_ about ask |
| 03:35.06 | gaintsura | I've taken a look at most of them, they end up either not having what I need, not having enough documentation or (in cases of qmail and courier) have so many bells and whistles that it takes too much to do |
| 03:36.14 | flourish | hello all. When login, there are some menus on the bottom, and one of them is sessions. I wonder where to customize the items in the sessions. And BTW what the terminology of the sessions. |
| 03:36.53 | gaintsura | pulls bronaugh's chair out from under him |
| 03:37.51 | jpinx | gaintsura: gmail ;) |
| 03:37.52 | mohed_ | i have set up bind9 on my server. my named.conf is sett up correctly but when I add a MX record mail and an A record for mail then suddenly the server is not pingable and dig domain returns servverfail. Im expecting that not to happen becouse I also have set up postfix (minimal) so clearly there is a mail server on that A record |
| 03:38.16 | bronaugh | retroactively puts gaintsura on AF447 |
| 03:39.21 | jpinx | mohed_: paste the zonefile |
| 03:39.33 | gaintsura | jpinx: I'm looking for something not public... |
| 03:39.38 | gaintsura | AF447? |
| 03:39.41 | RaymondX | im having trouble installing this in debian >>> http://www.y-windows.org/ |
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| 03:39.59 | ic56 | mohed_: which server becomes not pingable? The DNS server or the mail server? |
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| 03:40.22 | quitte_ | when printing double sided in gnome the right to left page ordering doesn't work. Unless someone got a better idea what package I should write a bugreport for I'll use gnome. I didn't even have libgnomeprint installed |
| 03:40.40 | jmd | mohed_, What do you see in syslog? |
| 03:40.42 | gaintsura | RaymondX: the most probable reason for your problem is that I see no documentation on it.. which is what I'm finding with some of these mail servers |
| 03:41.04 | bronaugh | gaintsura: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AF447 |
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| 03:41.33 | mohed_ | ; haidar.se |
| 03:41.33 | mohed_ | $TTL 604800 |
| 03:41.33 | mohed_ | @ IN SOA ns1.haidar.se. mohed.haidar.se. ( |
| 03:41.33 | mohed_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.33 | mohed_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:41.53 | gaintsura | haha |
| 03:41.56 | jpinx | clown:( |
| 03:42.01 | gaintsura | =( |
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| 03:42.07 | gaintsura | I dont wanna disappear |
| 03:42.14 | gaintsura | sells bronaugh's soul for a candy bar |
| 03:42.16 | gaintsura | hah! |
| 03:42.34 | jpinx | RaymondX: why? |
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| 03:43.26 | bronaugh | pretty worthless soul; no big loss to me. |
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| 03:43.38 | bronaugh | besides which, you'll have to fight with the devil for it. I already promised him my soul. |
| 03:43.49 | bronaugh | he kinda takes priority as a creditor |
| 03:44.07 | gaintsura | bah he'll never know I stole it and am reselling it to you |
| 03:44.10 | gaintsura | err to him |
| 03:44.21 | jpinx | gaintsura: worse - the link to RaymondX s application of choice goes to some gambling site - appropriate ?;) |
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| 03:44.31 | fishmorg | Have Knoppix question - how to play music CDs? Data CDs work fine. |
| 03:44.47 | mohed_ | well you learn something new every day. pasted and got kicked. you saw something in the named file ?? |
| 03:44.56 | quitte_ | !knoppix |
| 03:44.57 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems. |
| 03:45.04 | jpinx | !tell mohed_ about paste |
| 03:45.34 | fishmorg | Okay, thx |
| 03:45.35 | gaintsura | jpinx: I think your DNS is farked |
| 03:45.56 | gaintsura | it went to a linux app site about a system called Y Window |
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| 03:46.28 | quitte_ | hasn't that been dead for years now? |
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| 03:46.47 | gaintsura | quitte_ no idea, but theres no docs on it =S |
| 03:46.56 | jpinx | gaintsura: http://www.y-windows.org/faq.html bottom of the page - look for the wiki |
| 03:47.06 | quitte_ | last news entry is from 2004. |
| 03:47.29 | jpinx | it's dead Jim |
| 03:47.33 | gaintsura | jpinx: meh, it was probably a wiki site at one time or another |
| 03:47.35 | jhambo | when I try to connect my bluetooth mouse with Kbluetooth I get "Failed to create the input device". How can I get this working?? |
| 03:47.56 | coffeeturtle | Could someone have a look at this? I know this is not #ubuntu but #ubuntu is flooded with much more people asking much simpler questions --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7402793 |
| 03:48.02 | mohed_ | The address to the paste is http://paste.debian.net/38090 |
| 03:48.09 | jpinx | !dead |
| 03:48.10 | dpkg | yes :( |
| 03:48.11 | gaintsura | is it too much to ask for an imap pop3 AND smtp not just smtp/pop3 or imap/pop3... yarrrr |
| 03:48.13 | quitte_ | wooohoo. y has true semi transparent windows and drop shadows |
| 03:49.40 | jmd | mohed_, It's a bit strange having a MX as 192.168. are you sure that's what you want? |
| 03:50.40 | jpinx | mohed_: you doing everything local? |
| 03:50.48 | mohed_ | maybe thats the problem. I want it to connect to the same server as everything else. only giving a public A record for the nameserver |
| 03:51.00 | jpinx | mohed_: or is this meant to be a public zonefile? |
| 03:51.08 | mohed_ | public |
| 03:51.32 | jpinx | mohed_: 192.168.x.x is not a public IP |
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| 03:51.53 | mohed_ | but my www A record resolves publicly |
| 03:52.08 | mohed_ | when its working |
| 03:52.09 | pipeline | 23:43 < pipeline> they're in singapore I'm sure they're fuckin golden |
| 03:52.12 | tlyu | i seem to recall MX can't be an IP address |
| 03:52.28 | Thurin1 | Is anyone familiar with TFTP? if so do you know how to force ipv4 rather than ipv6? I cannot connect because, for some reason unknown to me, it keeps starting in ipv6 mode rather than ipv4...??? |
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| 03:52.45 | pipeline | you could set your mx to an ip but it wouldn't be happy situation |
| 03:52.51 | quitte_ | haha. #y-windows' topic was set in 2005 |
| 03:52.59 | mohed_ | what should it be set to ?? |
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| 03:53.33 | jpinx | mohed_: you need to read up about bind and zonefiles |
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| 03:53.57 | mohed_ | so the zonefile is basicly broken ?? |
| 03:53.59 | jpinx | mohed_: this is really basic stuff that you should know before you start |
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| 03:54.15 | jmd | mohed_, Also, your serial number seems to be out of date. |
| 03:54.34 | mohed_ | the only confusion is when to go public ip and when to go private ip |
| 03:55.12 | Thurin1 | Ok, if anyone has that problem.. disable the inetd super server... and start tftp manually by itself.. it will start in udp rather than udp6 |
| 03:55.15 | jpinx | you really need to understand what you're doing mohed_ and not just hack it together and expect it to work |
| 03:55.48 | coffeeturtle | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7402793 Please have a look at this thread if you are familiar with patching kernel keyboard drivers |
| 03:56.04 | jpinx | coffeeturtle: #ubuntu |
| 03:56.21 | coffeeturtle | jpinx: I know this is not #ubuntu but #ubuntu is flooded with much more people asking much simpler questions |
| 03:56.35 | mohed_ | im going to read up abit more on zonefiles. Clearly it was more broken then i thought. Thanks for your help guys. 1 State your buissnes right a way and 2 dont paste directly into the chat, got it =) |
| 03:56.36 | coffeeturtle | jpinx: I haven't had much luck in there |
| 03:56.41 | quitte_ | Thurin1: uhm was your client even in the list of allowed hosts? |
| 03:56.44 | jpinx | sorry coffeeturtle this is #debian |
| 03:58.35 | coffeeturtle | jpinx: oh sorry I didn't know the debian and ubuntu kernels were that different. could you direct me somewhere that might be helpful other than #ubuntu? |
| 03:59.41 | adb | coffeeturtle: /j #kernel |
| 03:59.50 | jpinx | not really - there's ##linux or #kernel |
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| 04:00.15 | quitte_ | coffeeturtle: learn about kernel-package and patch. nut looking at that forum this will need more than just a little hand holding |
| 04:00.16 | mohed_ | one more question. If I only state public ip's in my zonefile, would i also have to forward all the ports on my router. The way i want it to work is just forward the port to mu dns and then it sends to the right machine |
| 04:01.25 | Thurin1 | quitte_: It was that my dhcp machine did not have 'next-server' in the conf and that for some reason inetd(super server) loaded tftp ipv6 --- load tftp by itself and make sure to have 'next-server' in your dhcp and you to can install to a machine that has nothing to install from except net :D |
| 04:01.53 | ic56 | mohed_: what do you mean "forward the port to my dns" what do you mean by "dns" in this sentence? a physical server? a daemon? and IP address? |
| 04:02.02 | ic56 | mohed_: s/and/an/ |
| 04:02.04 | coffeeturtle | quitte_: ok cool i'll check that out. yeah i am familiar with using patch but the problem is on both my debian and ubuntu machine the /usr/src/linux-* directories have no actual files in them to patch |
| 04:02.06 | jpinx | mohed_: you need you zonefile to be available publicly all the time |
| 04:02.20 | coffeeturtle | quitte_: i appreciate you at least taking a look at it though |
| 04:02.36 | quitte_ | coffeeturtle: can't you just wait for 2.6.30? |
| 04:03.10 | quitte_ | coffeeturtle: debian has linux-source packages, btw. or you could apt-get source nameofyourkernelpackage |
| 04:03.49 | jpinx | mohed_: so your router has to allow connections on whatever port you have bind listening on |
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| 04:04.42 | coffeeturtle | quitte_: i suppose, i didn't know it was being released so soon |
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| 04:05.05 | mohed_ | when i say dns i mean that.. I have set up a domain haidar.se and the nameserver for that domain is ns1.haidar.se with the ip to my server on ip 83.233.242.154. that ip will resolve to my router witch then sends it (thru eforwarded port ) to my server witch have a 192.168.x.x ip |
| 04:06.54 | jpinx | mohed_: have your configured the nameserver in your own bind, or is it somewhere else? |
| 04:07.03 | mohed_ | so thats the only forwarded port on my router. Now i want that when someone tryes to resoleve www.haidar.se then it will check the nameserver and the nameserver do the rest of forwarding without port 80 peing forwarded on the router, make sense ?? |
| 04:07.12 | mohed_ | yea, in my own bind |
| 04:07.34 | ic56 | mohed_: ok. good answer. Your intended design will work. You will have to configure port forwarding on the router, to the nameserver host, for port 53/tcp and 53/udp. |
| 04:07.36 | mohed_ | thats the zonefile that i pasted, the one to my nameserver |
| 04:08.02 | mohed_ | done |
| 04:08.11 | jpinx | mohed_: have you set up the reverse address for the nameserver and registered it? |
| 04:08.16 | ic56 | mohed_: oh, just a minute. port 80?! you are misunderstanding. |
| 04:08.25 | quitte_ | since when can dns resolve per port? |
| 04:08.34 | mohed_ | yea. 80 for the www |
| 04:08.44 | ic56 | mohed_: DNS is strictly a look up service. Not a routing service. |
| 04:08.52 | mohed_ | yes, reverse adress set up |
| 04:09.11 | jpinx | mohed_: have you registered it? |
| 04:09.26 | quitte_ | mohed_: you can resolve to a different ip for all traffic to www.example.com. but you cannot give different ips depending on what port you are connecting to |
| 04:09.31 | mohed_ | so i cant mix public and private ip's in it and expect that it will sorta rout |
| 04:09.51 | ic56 | mohed_: with what you have so far, people on the outside will be able to query your DNS server and resolve a domain name into an IP address. Making it possible for them to then reach that IP address is a separate question -- and DNS is not involved. |
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| 04:10.39 | quitte_ | mohed_: ibm developer works has some nice courseware for lpi certification. maybe you should dig into that sometime |
| 04:10.40 | tlyu | if your DNS returns private IP addresses for A record lookups, someone outside your network generally won't be able to reach those hosts. |
| 04:10.57 | mohed_ | quitte_ can that ip be private. Like 192.168.x.x and it would work without me forwarding the port for http on my router ?? |
| 04:11.31 | quitte_ | mohed_: no. private ips are strictly private and never seen from the outside world. |
| 04:11.37 | mohed_ | ic56 i think that clears it up a litle bit |
| 04:11.39 | jpinx | mohed_: depends on your router, but yes - usually you can forward to specific local IPs |
| 04:11.53 | pickcoder | mohed_: you can do routing for a public IP to reach internal IP:port |
| 04:12.37 | pickcoder | you can also redirect public-IP:port to any combination of internal IPs and ports |
| 04:12.45 | jpinx | mohed_: a query coming to your domain on port 80 can be forwarded to a specific port on a specific local IP |
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| 04:13.03 | pickcoder | if the only external port available is 80 then you're kinda stuck |
| 04:13.08 | quitte_ | there's a big but to all of this: it has nothing to do with dns at all |
| 04:13.30 | ic56 | jpinx: carefuly with your wording: when you said "query" to mohed_ you meant HTTP query, but he may think you meant DNS query. |
| 04:13.53 | mohed_ | i get it, that wasen't the intended plan however. The plan was to only forward port 53 to my server and the have it handel the rest =( |
| 04:13.55 | gaintsura | omg 4 weeks of looking and I've finally found a viable mail server!!! |
| 04:13.59 | jpinx | ic56: yes - I thought we had solved the DNS issues |
| 04:14.04 | pickcoder | mohed_: also consider http proxying if you need specific service access through port 80 from the outside |
| 04:14.14 | pickcoder | #httpd is a good place to ask about proxying |
| 04:14.19 | mohed_ | no i got what jpinx said |
| 04:14.19 | pickcoder | (for Apache) |
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| 04:14.46 | jpinx | gaintsura: which one? |
| 04:15.28 | mohed_ | well verry valuble lessons guys and girls. Thanks alot for the help. ill go read up abit and also configure my router |
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| 04:16.11 | ic56 | mohed_: the O'Reilly book on TCP/IP is a good introduction. It includes a chapter on DNS |
| 04:16.37 | ic56 | mohed_: more importantly, the book is not overly verbose, so it read quickly. |
| 04:16.42 | jpinx | mohed_: I use zoneedit for my zonefiles and they alias requests to www.mydomain.com to www.special.subdomain.mydomain.com:55555 (or similar high port and the router forwards that to my box as I want |
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| 04:17.13 | quitte_ | mohed_: do you even have access to a dns server on the outside world? |
| 04:17.30 | quitte_ | otherwise try some service like dyndns |
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| 04:17.58 | jpinx | mohed_: I'd go with what quitte_ said |
| 04:18.18 | jpinx | mohed_: there are plenty of good free dns services |
| 04:18.25 | mohed_ | how do you meen access ?? |
| 04:18.47 | mohed_ | yea i have. but i wanted to do it in house, moustly to learn |
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| 04:19.21 | jpinx | mohed_: ok - as a learning exercise it's good, but it's not a good way to set up a produaction envvironment |
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| 04:20.29 | mohed_ | jpinx: im using it in my home, no sensetive data and no production |
| 04:20.50 | jpinx | mohed_: cool -- enjoy ;) |
| 04:20.56 | ic56 | jpinx: I see nothing wrong with a production environment along the lines of what mohed_ is trying to set up. Many corporate websites are NAT'd from private IP addresses |
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| 04:21.25 | leandroal | the hosts in my lab authenticate the users against a LDAP server. What is the best/recommended solution to mount the user home directory from the server? I'd like an alternative option than NFS. |
| 04:22.07 | quitte | mohed_: just a suggestion: set up a really silent network. sniff it and use links to open some really simple websites. so you can _see_ everything as it happens. the dns lookup etc. |
| 04:22.14 | pickcoder | ic56: it's a good method for server pluggability |
| 04:22.55 | gaintsura | jpinx: sorry, was reading the docs on it... its more than a mail server but it will definitely work, its called citadel |
| 04:22.55 | ic56 | leandroal: AFS (the Andrew file system)? perhaps an NFS automounter? SaMBa? |
| 04:22.59 | jpinx | ic56: it's a hack, not a solution |
| 04:23.55 | mohed_ | quitte: sound intressting but define silent |
| 04:23.58 | jpinx | mohed_: as part of your exercise - don't forget the need for 2nd nameservers on a totally separate IP block |
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| 04:24.18 | leandroal | ic56, the hosts can will run windows (that I will use samba) and linux (ldap directly via PAM) |
| 04:24.24 | jpinx | mohed_: and maybe look at setting up a fail-over |
| 04:24.28 | mohed_ | jpinx: i have a second and a third on xname.org |
| 04:24.41 | quitte | mohed_: if you don't do anything the led on your nic shall not blink |
| 04:24.58 | jmd | mohed_, Another good idea when messing with a zonefile is to take the TTL and the negative TTL down to something low like 600 |
| 04:25.16 | jpinx | jmd beat me to it |
| 04:25.22 | ic56 | twleandroal: I meant samba for home directory mounts. |
| 04:25.28 | ic56 | leandroal: I meant samba for home directory mounts. |
| 04:26.03 | leandroal | ic56, for this I will use CIFS |
| 04:26.15 | jpinx | mohed_: having a 3rd on the same IP block as the 2nd is a waste of time |
| 04:26.29 | mohed_ | checklist building up =), whats why i turned to the debian channel instead of going in to ubuntu, the guys overthere has alot to do and you cant realy learn anything special from there |
| 04:26.52 | projkt4 | hi, i have a cups question, and the ##cups channel is pretty quiet. I'm setting up cups and i am able to navigate to the admin ui on the cups server, i can go through the process of adding a printer all the way until the last moment when i'm redirected to a "426 upgrade needed" page. after research i found out that the page is generated becasuse ssl was not set up, so i followed http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=402370 an |
| 04:27.20 | mohed_ | jpinx: its not the same ip block, they have two different ip blocks |
| 04:27.28 | quitte | what I really don'T get is why people still use ubuntu then. |
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| 04:27.37 | jpinx | mohed_: fair enough ;) |
| 04:27.58 | mohed_ | the problem is that the channel is more like spam then help for new ppl |
| 04:28.18 | jpinx | yea - all these people come to #debian for support but don't tell us they're running something else |
| 04:28.22 | mohed_ | nothing wrong with the guys trying to help, just overloaded sometime |
| 04:28.46 | jpinx | mohed_: if you want help in #debian - install debian ;) |
| 04:28.47 | quitte | I was under the impression that all the rough edges have worn off. it became rather cuddly here |
| 04:28.52 | mohed_ | hehe |
| 04:29.12 | mohed_ | was going to thou, but got scared that it would be the wrong place to start |
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| 04:29.46 | jpinx | mohed_: you say you want to learn, so install debian ;) |
| 04:29.50 | mohed_ | quitte: i was talking about the #ubuntu channel |
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| 04:30.44 | mohed_ | what I realy want is server with minimal gui configured to hande webserver ftpserver fileserver |
| 04:31.06 | mohed_ | also with apt pakage handling |
| 04:31.24 | jpinx | mohed_: you don't need any X to run a webserver |
| 04:32.10 | quitte | or Y, for that matter |
| 04:32.10 | mohed_ | I know, in a couple of month maybe, but to configure a server based on only the terminal is close to imposible the first timje, would you agree |
| 04:32.14 | gaintsura | question: my Fn brightness keys don't work anymore, originally to fix it I had to do apic=force acpi=off on the kernel line, what can I do to fix these buttons? |
| 04:32.39 | jpinx | mohed_: not at all - it is easy if you read the documents |
| 04:32.55 | tlyu | mohed_: depends on what you're used to or how visually inclined you are, perhaps |
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| 04:34.34 | mohed_ | jpinx: more then often the documents i overkill. I would love to find something that shows how to start with a minimaly working setup and then building on to it. Last night i tried to set up a postfix and ended up leaning mysql for the virtual users and virus protection ;) |
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| 04:35.26 | quitte | mohed_: sounds like debian to me. the packages come with a minimal working config in most cases |
| 04:35.36 | mohed_ | realy ? |
| 04:35.41 | mohed_ | that would be nice |
| 04:36.04 | quitte | mohed_: apache gives you a site saying "It works!" iirc |
| 04:36.29 | mohed_ | quitte: where do I go for documentation if I go debian ? |
| 04:36.58 | mohed_ | stuff like setting up a authorative nameserver and mailserevr ? |
| 04:37.00 | quitte | mohed_: man, usr/share/doc/packagename, google debian.org ..... |
| 04:37.05 | quitte | mohed_: irc |
| 04:37.49 | quitte | mohed_: theres some debian administration site with lots of step by step howtos |
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| 04:38.09 | ic56 | mohed_: go to your local public library and borrow some older books on unix systems administration. |
| 04:38.19 | mohed_ | ah the hell with it, i'm downloading debian now. you guys have convinced me ;). biggest reason is how helpful you guys have been |
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| 04:39.21 | mohed_ | so what build to chose then, by now you guys know what im after |
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| 04:39.50 | quitte | mohed_: be careful:http://xkcd.com/456/ |
| 04:40.08 | quitte | mohed_: debian doesn'T have all those weird editiions. |
| 04:40.19 | quitte | mohed_: you choose what you want to install and that's that |
| 04:41.09 | quitte | mohed_: the netinstall or businesscard installer will do the trick just fine |
| 04:41.35 | mohed_ | quitte: lol on the comic |
| 04:42.01 | mohed_ | buissnesscard installer, that some usb installer ? |
| 04:42.34 | tlyu | fits on "businesscard" CD-ROM, in theory. |
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| 04:42.55 | robink | Why are the Ruby include files in /usr/lib64/ruby? |
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| 04:45.51 | RaymondX | net instakk |
| 04:46.00 | RaymondX | *net install |
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| 04:50.05 | mohed_ | can i do a remote login with debian. in lines of xdmcp ?? |
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| 04:51.48 | ic56 | mohed_: xdm is available for debian. It is a package. You must install it. |
| 04:52.19 | Dassu | What program should I use to do (hand)tracking with my webcam ? |
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| 04:52.34 | quitte | mohed_: all dms i've seen so far can be configured for xdmcp |
| 04:52.40 | ic56 | mohed_: once xdm is installed, you will be able to do remote X logins |
| 04:52.55 | adb | screen , ssh -X |
| 04:53.16 | quitte | ic56: xdm has xdmcp enabled by default? |
| 04:53.39 | mohed_ | hard configurating xdm after install package ?? |
| 04:54.15 | ic56 | quitte: you've gone over my head. No one was answering mohed_'s question so I provided a basic answer. But I have little to do with X. |
| 04:55.44 | quitte | mohed_: use gdm and its gui config tools until you feel comfortable editing an ydm config file manually. tat part of their format should be identical |
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| 04:57.06 | shivraj02 | wow I just installed debian on an ibm t60 the colors in a console are flashing |
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| 04:57.31 | shivraj02 | was gonna ask abt wifi and ubuntu like network connection since my sister uses this laptop, well its hers |
| 04:58.33 | mohed_ | ill be back in the time it takes me to install xchat on my new debian system :) |
| 04:58.38 | mohed_ | bye guys |
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| 05:04.28 | shivraj02 | how do I install catalyst for an ati mobility x1400 card ? |
| 05:04.35 | shivraj02 | I tried installing the driver from ati |
| 05:04.48 | shivraj02 | do I have to put Driver "flglrx" under Device section ? |
| 05:05.02 | shivraj02 | I did aticonfig it says no supported devices |
| 05:06.39 | shivraj02 | hmm ... should have consulted dpkg .. great :) |
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| 05:21.31 | steven | hello |
| 05:21.37 | steven | im not sure where to ask this question |
| 05:21.41 | steven | if im going to add to my iptables file, this line: |
| 05:21.47 | steven | -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT |
| 05:21.50 | steven | should i remove this one? |
| 05:21.52 | steven | -A OUTPUT -j ACCEPT |
| 05:22.21 | jmd | steven, I would have asked in #linux |
| 05:22.31 | steven | thanks |
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| 05:23.28 | steven | jmd: do you happen to know? |
| 05:23.35 | steven | because ##linux is silent |
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| 05:23.47 | steven | if you did know, it would be appreciated |
| 05:24.42 | adb | #iptables |
| 05:24.47 | steven | oh! |
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| 05:25.06 | shivraj02 | hi I installed the fglrx following directions from dpkg |
| 05:25.21 | shivraj02 | when I put Driver "fglrx" X doest start |
| 05:25.35 | dmoerner | shivraj02, put DefaultDepth 24 in your Screen section as well |
| 05:25.48 | dmoerner | it defaults to 8 which is not supported by fglrx; alternatively, just use aticonfig --initial |
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| 05:27.08 | shivraj02 | ok |
| 05:29.02 | tenzind | hi, I want to creat a chroot environment on my external USB hard disk. But i get this error while running debootstrap: "E: Cannot install into target '/media/jurgay/build/chroot-lenny' mounted with noexec or nodev" . I have this line in /etc/fstab: "/dev/sdb1/media/jurgayvfatrw,user,exec,dev,noauto00" |
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| 05:31.29 | adb | command was ? |
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| 05:32.27 | shivraj02 | uhh.. ok that works, |
| 05:32.38 | shivraj02 | but my wifi isnt workign now, ... was working under ubuntu .. |
| 05:33.00 | shivraj02 | also is there an easy to use wifi config ? |
| 05:33.23 | shivraj02 | I cant get the wifi to come on even after pressing fn+f5 the wifi button on an ibm t60 |
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| 05:33.32 | shivraj02 | and its complaining about some microcode |
| 05:33.42 | adb | !firmware |
| 05:33.43 | dpkg | Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some non-free firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>. |
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| 05:37.30 | simion314 | how can i unmount a flash drive or any removable media in lenny with kde3.5? |
| 05:37.58 | jmd | umount <device> |
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| 05:39.28 | simion314 | jmd: i need something from GUI, because the user of that system is not capable to use CLI |
| 05:40.14 | adb | just bring it of ... |
| 05:40.20 | adb | out* |
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| 05:41.17 | simion314 | :-) |
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| 05:42.37 | shivraj | still cant get this laptop to put on wifi though its not complaining abt microcode now |
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| 05:43.06 | shivraj | debian definitely blows ubuntu away though, all they have is prettyness .. soon it will be the next Windows |
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| 05:43.53 | adb | what's his wifi chip ? |
| 05:44.08 | shivraj | adb: ipw3945 something liek that |
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| 05:44.19 | khaije | ubuntu is 6-month supported version of sidux with all the adv and disadv that go with that |
| 05:44.20 | adb | !ipw3945 |
| 05:44.20 | dpkg | If you're running Lenny (or Etch with an <etchnhalf> or <bpo> kernel) - ask me about <iwlwifi> instead as you can't use the old ipw3945 driver. For Etch with the 2.6.18 kernel, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. |
| 05:44.20 | blouf | iwl actually |
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| 05:44.28 | anddam | hi |
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| 05:44.38 | khaije | the only problem i have is when developers release deb's only for ubuntu and not deb |
| 05:44.58 | khaije | thats the annoying thing |
| 05:45.39 | shivraj | khaije: I dont think they have a bot liek #debian do they ? I tried to install the fglrx driver in ubuntu and ran into a brick wall |
| 05:46.18 | khaije | shivraj: r u talking about dpkg? |
| 05:46.47 | shivraj | khaije: yes, does ubuntu have something like dpkg ? |
| 05:46.55 | adb | shivraj: concentrate on wifi for now ;) |
| 05:47.15 | khaije | lulz |
| 05:47.55 | adb | !hi |
| 05:47.55 | dpkg | hello, adb |
| 05:48.05 | anddam | xrandr show a max of 1024x768, how can I make it aware of 1280x1024 ? |
| 05:48.30 | adb | add Modes 1280x1024 ? |
| 05:48.49 | adb | in xorg.conf |
| 05:49.15 | anddam | adb: http://paste.lisp.org/display/81405 |
| 05:49.26 | khaije | !abuse me please |
| 05:49.26 | dpkg | smacks me please across the face. "Take that, bitch!" |
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| 05:50.11 | shivraj | adb: I did what it says, my point being it still doesnt work |
| 05:50.12 | khaije | !abuse khaije |
| 05:50.12 | dpkg | khaije: Shut your festering gob, you tit! |
| 05:50.35 | khaije | aw |
| 05:50.45 | khaije | u know i loves ya dpkg |
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| 05:52.08 | adb | anddam: http://paste.debian.net/38092/ |
| 05:52.41 | adb | shivraj: wicd , wifi-radar , install them |
| 05:54.02 | anddam | thanks I had just figured out the very same rows |
| 05:54.14 | anddam | let me try |
| 05:54.16 | shivraj | adb: I never really used this laptop before I dont think the wifi is activated |
| 05:55.19 | adb | modprobe ipw3945 << done it ? |
| 05:56.05 | jony123 | hmm is their any command line programs that can check and display the weather for me? |
| 05:56.51 | adb | search man |
| 05:57.26 | jony123 | jus wondering would save me some time |
| 05:57.27 | adb | ask bot about search |
| 05:57.40 | adb | and waste ours ... |
| 05:57.41 | gaintsura | is it sad that at times I look here for entertainment..? |
| 05:57.46 | simion314 | shivraj: ubuntu has more then pretyness, in ubuntu i get 3D rendering out of the nbox, in debian it was imposible to me, i think that is because they have the money power to test it on more laptops |
| 05:58.40 | shivraj | simion314: yeah but certain things suck, if I had 100 million dollars I would definitely donate $1 M to debian |
| 05:58.51 | gaintsura | only 1? |
| 05:58.54 | gaintsura | =( |
| 05:59.09 | jony123 | i would donate 10m to linux based stuff |
| 05:59.23 | gaintsura | yeah, especially if I had 100M |
| 05:59.29 | shivraj | 1 million dollars is a lot of money man ... |
| 05:59.35 | simion314 | i would dontate it upstream to xorg and kde, and maybe to change the kernel with something better, |
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| 05:59.45 | shivraj | people have billions and they donate it to stupid causes or dont donate |
| 05:59.52 | adb | !ot |
| 05:59.52 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 06:00.01 | gaintsura | O.o hows this offtopic? |
| 06:00.03 | gaintsura | nv, |
| 06:00.04 | gaintsura | m |
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| 06:00.58 | khaije | shivraj: xorg needs help |
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| 06:01.33 | shivraj | khaije: I dont have a cent to my name, :) |
| 06:01.52 | gaintsura | I've got 8, they are in my back pocket... |
| 06:01.54 | gaintsura | =P |
| 06:02.59 | khaije | <OT>imho xorg is a chokepoint for the progress of linux in general, but desktop in particular. they need to get it together</OT> |
| 06:03.34 | khaije | <OT>maybe with wayland...?</OT> |
| 06:03.50 | khaije | </cute> |
| 06:04.11 | khaije | damn i want a tee shirt that says that |
| 06:04.26 | MegafEee | hi all, i cant turn my computer off with normal user |
| 06:04.35 | MegafEee | cuz i dont have permision |
| 06:04.52 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.05 | jony123 | anyone here experainced their computer randomly typing 12eo |
| 06:05.05 | MegafEee | to what group i have to add my user to get permision? |
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| 06:05.20 | shivraj | khaije: we need more great programmers like Torvalds, they only come along once every 100 years .. money cant buy that |
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| 06:05.55 | neuro_damage | how do I become a member of the non-free and contrib packages? |
| 06:06.09 | neuro_damage | and where can I get an official set of mirrors for those kinds of things? |
| 06:06.22 | gaintsura | shivraj: unfortunately there are about 600 to 1000 or so, but motivation is a powerful thing |
| 06:06.46 | khaije | adb: i disagree, think about all the work going into the kernel for enhanced gfx which will invalidate +70% of the xorg codebase |
| 06:07.00 | simion314 | adb: i hope that xorg will not change so often, after each release i get performance problems because driver must be rewriten |
| 06:07.15 | shivraj | gaintsura: true .. or they're motivated by $$ |
| 06:07.21 | gaintsura | yeah |
| 06:07.41 | ic56 | MegafEee: on Debian, you cannot do that by merely belonging to a group. You must become root to shutdown the computer. |
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| 06:07.49 | gaintsura | but there are ways to make money without being a biz nazi |
| 06:08.12 | ic56 | MegafEee: eg: su -c shutdown |
| 06:08.20 | khaije | adb: i don't think they are bad guys or that they produce a "bad" product just that the organizedness:importance ratio is totally out of wack |
| 06:08.23 | adb | neuro_damage: ask bot about sources , and mirrors |
| 06:08.26 | ic56 | MegafEee: which will prompt you for the root password. |
| 06:08.31 | gaintsura | free and open source software but support is chargable at a rate that would pay for both developer and supporter |
| 06:08.37 | MegafEee | lol |
| 06:08.55 | shivraj | the >>^<< comes on when I start the computer in windows ,,.. lets see if it stays on |
| 06:08.58 | MegafEee | ic56, i want to click in the shutdown button in xfce dialog to turn off... |
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| 06:09.21 | anddam | hi |
| 06:09.45 | anddam | adb: working but I'm wondering how do I hot-switch size with xrandr |
| 06:09.51 | anddam | 1280x1024 is @60Hz |
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| 06:10.03 | adb | LCD ? |
| 06:10.07 | anddam | crt |
| 06:10.15 | anddam | an old 17" |
| 06:10.22 | anddam | but still working nicely |
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| 06:10.37 | adb | http://paste.debian.net/38094/ |
| 06:11.14 | anddam | I think it's a limit of the monitor |
| 06:11.22 | anddam | but I could try forcing it :-) |
| 06:11.25 | shivraj | wholey crap that worked windows turned the wifi on :) |
| 06:11.33 | gaintsura | ... |
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| 06:14.53 | gaintsura | speaking of wifi I've gotta get a new router soon... |
| 06:14.59 | anddam | adb: xrandr working :-) |
| 06:15.23 | adb | anddam: mine is 19'' 1280x1024 @91 multiscan400 trinitron by sony ;) |
| 06:15.43 | gaintsura | adb: crt or lcd? |
| 06:15.49 | adb | crt |
| 06:16.04 | adb | lcd can't do @91 |
| 06:16.05 | anddam | trinitron can only be CRT afaik |
| 06:16.16 | gaintsura | I don't mind CRT... except the size... |
| 06:16.19 | anddam | that was Sony's technology for crt |
| 06:16.23 | gaintsura | ah |
| 06:16.51 | anddam | darn good monitor, Sony products are often worth the price |
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| 06:17.01 | gaintsura | very true |
| 06:17.37 | gaintsura | btw.. most anything over 75hz is a waste |
| 06:18.05 | gaintsura | the eyes can only |
| 06:18.13 | gaintsura | 'refresh' so much |
| 06:18.16 | gaintsura | stupid enter |
| 06:18.29 | anddam | can I redefine virtual screen size? |
| 06:18.47 | anddam | I started 1280x1024 and now I'm 1024x768 so I'm not seeing the whole screen |
| 06:19.36 | IamSOG | I still have my Sony CRT that thing can go 120Hz on 1024 x 768 |
| 06:19.52 | IamSOG | and I think 1600 x 1200 on 70 Hz |
| 06:20.19 | gaintsura | I forgot to check to see what the dell mini's I orderd have.. |
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| 06:25.47 | nirupama | I was configuring a software where it is asking checking for libpq-fe.h... no |
| 06:25.47 | nirupama | configure: error: libpq not found. Please see http://www.postgresql.org |
| 06:25.54 | nirupama | how to solve that |
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| 06:27.01 | anddam | nirupama: check what the actual error is (that is read configure.log)/install the required library/provide explicit info to configure script |
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| 06:27.57 | shivraj | gaintsura: I hear those minis are slow .. |
| 06:28.25 | nirupama | anddam, ok |
| 06:28.44 | anddam | I'd like to buy an apple mini |
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| 06:29.00 | anddam | there's a save off around here |
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| 06:29.31 | RaymondX | how do i install 2.6.27 in debian? |
| 06:29.47 | anddam | is it in your repo? |
| 06:29.58 | RaymondX | nope |
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| 06:30.43 | RaymondX | i already enabled proposed updates and its not there |
| 06:31.23 | anddam | "enabled proposed updates"? |
| 06:31.40 | RaymondX | in software sources |
| 06:32.00 | anddam | I'm sorry I'm not following you |
| 06:32.16 | shivraj | save your money and get a good monitor one that can do console colors in X like this, www.entracinc.com/static/scrn1.png |
| 06:32.22 | anddam | is "software sources" apt sources.list? |
| 06:33.08 | gaintsura | shivraj: 1.33GHz, not bad, will be only used for web devel |
| 06:33.11 | RaymondX | system>administration>sources list ... it's a program that configures sources.list |
| 06:33.35 | anddam | shivraj: what monitor can't do console colors in X? |
| 06:33.56 | anddam | RaymondX: ah you're talking some gui program I'm not aware of, being on your side of the internet |
| 06:34.25 | shivraj | anddam: a lot of them suck, not as realistic as this trust me |
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| 06:36.16 | RaymondX | is it in the contrib or non-free? |
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| 06:37.05 | anddam | the kernel? |
| 06:37.05 | RaymondX | yep? |
| 06:37.05 | anddam | I think it is in main |
| 06:37.05 | shivraj_ | hmm this ati driver sure helps a lot on this laptop |
| 06:37.07 | anddam | anyone about the virtual screen question? |
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| 06:42.19 | RaymondX | i only have 2.6.26 ...how can i get 2.6.27 ? |
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| 06:46.14 | nirupama | can any body solve the issue of libpq not available |
| 06:46.29 | ericpersson | I'm trying to install a newer kernel from the sid repository, but it doesnt seem to include the linux-kbuild-2.6.29 package, which prevents me from installing the headers... any ideas why? |
| 06:46.30 | nirupama | I dont know what i need to install to solve this error |
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| 06:46.43 | kn0x | okay quick question.. |
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| 06:47.43 | kn0x | im using the lenny 'expert gui' option and when i go to partition my disk, i go to setup an lvm on sdb, but when it asks me to confirm, it tells me it wants the swap on sda2?!? |
| 06:47.50 | kn0x | i never told it to use sda |
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| 06:57.02 | RaymondX | i only have 2.6.26 ...how can i get 2.6.27 ? |
| 06:57.06 | ic56 | kn0x: perhaps the sda2 partition preexists and has type "swap". the installer may have noticed and decided to reuse it, which is a reasonable thing to do, for swap. |
| 06:57.36 | RaymondX | i cant find it in the repo |
| 06:58.57 | kn0x | ic56: thats exactly what happened |
| 06:59.07 | kn0x | but i want the swap on sdb :\ |
| 06:59.18 | nkuttler | RaymondX: why do you need .27? |
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| 06:59.35 | ic56 | kn0x: does the installer not give you the option to change its default choice? |
| 06:59.46 | kn0x | cant find it |
| 06:59.48 | RaymondX | so i can install the vbox drivers... |
| 06:59.50 | nkuttler | kn0x: you should be able to change that in the partition tool |
| 06:59.58 | kn0x | i rebooted to the expert console install |
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| 07:00.34 | kn0x | nkuttler: any idea where |
| 07:00.44 | kn0x | it only lets me select which disk to partition |
| 07:00.48 | RaymondX | when will lenny upgrade its kernel? |
| 07:00.49 | kn0x | so i select sdb |
| 07:01.03 | kn0x | and it takes me to the confirm page with sda listed as swap |
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| 07:01.40 | ic56 | kn0x: when you partitioned sdb, did you add a partition for swap? |
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| 07:02.47 | nkuttler | RaymondX: never |
| 07:03.11 | nkuttler | kn0x: you can change as what partitions are used, moint point etc |
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| 07:04.15 | enouf | RaymondX: install a squeeze kernel |
| 07:04.17 | kn0x | ic56: no, it doesnt ask |
| 07:04.19 | kn0x | im doing LVM |
| 07:04.25 | RaymondX | ok im going back to ubuntu hehehe |
| 07:05.13 | enouf | erxz_paste: |
| 07:05.18 | enouf | er .. misfire |
| 07:05.31 | kn0x | nkuttler: im using the guided partitioning |
| 07:05.37 | kn0x | do i have to use the manual to do this? |
| 07:06.02 | nkuttler | kn0x: i don't know. check the install guide. |
| 07:06.05 | ic56 | kn0x: hmmm, how about you tell us where you *want* to have your swap partition. Or did you plan on running without a swap partition? |
| 07:06.24 | kn0x | ic56: i want it on sdb |
| 07:07.41 | ic56 | kn0x: I think LVM is not available early enough in the boot process. I think you will have to partition the sdb in two, having sdb1 used for swap and sdb2 used for LVM. |
| 07:08.15 | ic56 | kn0x: but I may be wrong about this requirement. If so, then you can do this: |
| 07:08.48 | kn0x | ic56: thats fine if its not in lvm |
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| 07:09.23 | ic56 | kn0x: during the installation process, let the installer pick sda2 (the pre-existing swap partition). No harm done, assuming you haven't used that partition for real data. Then, after the installation has completed, partition sdb with LVM, as you would normally, and |
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| 07:09.54 | kn0x | shit i think i can just do this manually |
| 07:10.01 | kn0x | how big should my boot partition be? |
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| 07:10.21 | guillermo | morning |
| 07:10.23 | ic56 | kn0x: include a swap partition. Then you will need to tell your system to disregard sda2 and use the one under LVM in sdb |
| 07:10.30 | IamSOG | moaning |
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| 07:11.03 | kn0x | ic56: sure but how big should the boot parition be? |
| 07:11.08 | kn0x | 200MB good enough? |
| 07:11.09 | kn0x | or more |
| 07:11.15 | ic56 | kn0x: boot partition or swap partition? |
| 07:11.19 | kn0x | boot |
| 07:11.31 | kn0x | and swap |
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| 07:11.37 | kn0x | i allways thought swap was RAM*2 |
| 07:11.46 | kn0x | but that might be an old idea |
| 07:11.55 | neuro_damage | adb: what's the bots name? |
| 07:11.56 | neuro_damage | !sources |
| 07:11.57 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 07:12.02 | neuro_damage | !mirrors |
| 07:12.02 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>. |
| 07:12.23 | ic56 | kn0x: what are you putting in your boot partition? /usr ? /var ? only the root? |
| 07:12.51 | kn0x | no.. just boot |
| 07:13.01 | kn0x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:13.23 | kn0x | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.34 | ic56 | kn0x: swap = RAM*2 is reasonable. I tend to reduce the factor when there is a larger amount of RAM. |
| 07:13.41 | caraconan | Hi. From yesterday I can't access to any subversion repo: http://pastebin.com/m10695ba2. I can't access too via elinks, but I can access via iceweasel. Any idea? |
| 07:14.44 | ic56 | kn0x: boot partition: mine consumes 6 MB. It contains one copy of the kernel, one RAM-disk image, and some administrative files. If you want to compile extra kernels, add some more space. |
| 07:15.28 | ic56 | kn0x: 200 MB is definitely overkill. 15 or 20 MB should be more than enough. |
| 07:16.02 | kn0x | lol okay, like 100meg means anything on a terabyte disk :P |
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| 07:19.21 | kn0x | one more thing ic56 |
| 07:19.28 | kn0x | does swap have to be a primary partition? |
| 07:19.45 | ic56 | kn0x: no, a logical partition will do. |
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| 07:21.13 | Aberration | hi all! |
| 07:22.14 | nkuttler | kn0x: 15 or 20MB isn't enough for me |
| 07:22.31 | nkuttler | that's barely two images |
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| 07:23.29 | Aberration | I ot a problem, when I type" asoundconf list" I got "asoundconf: command not found".... I need it to change my sound card... |
| 07:24.29 | liable | !find asoundconf |
| 07:24.32 | hark | Aberration: it's no longer there |
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| 07:24.52 | liable | hark: isnt that alsaconf? (recently removed in sid) |
| 07:25.10 | hark | liable: both, iirc |
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| 07:25.26 | liable | oh |
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| 07:25.45 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'asoundconf' returned no results. |
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| 07:27.05 | nkuttler | Aberration: assuming you're running stable, install alsa-utils and /msg dpkg search |
| 07:27.34 | Aberration | nkuttler already got alsa utils :( |
| 07:27.47 | hark | to change your soundcard, you either pass the index option to the module or use an asoundrc |
| 07:27.48 | nkuttler | Aberration: dpkg -L alsa-utils | grep asoundconf |
| 07:28.04 | hark | Aberration: which version of debian? |
| 07:28.49 | Aberration | hark 5.0 with a new kernel (2.6.29-2-686 ) |
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| 07:29.03 | Aberration | nkuttler there's no respond |
| 07:29.58 | hark | Aberration: what does dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 say? |
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| 07:30.47 | Aberration | hark : ii libc6 2.9-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:31.04 | nkuttler | that's not stable |
| 07:31.12 | hark | there you go |
| 07:31.20 | hark | sid, no less! |
| 07:31.33 | Aberration | hark ah, hum, yes... |
| 07:31.34 | nkuttler | right. or some buntufoo |
| 07:32.11 | RichiH | a dist-upgrade in sid wants to remove mktemp even though it's an Essential package. did i miss a memo or is this a mistake? |
| 07:32.22 | nkuttler | RichiH: check the bts |
| 07:32.26 | \amethyst | RichiH: it's fixed in the next upload of coreutils |
| 07:32.34 | hark | RichiH: yeah, let it |
| 07:32.47 | liable | lol |
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| 07:33.15 | hark | say iou want it ;) |
| 07:33.32 | nkuttler | "Yes I know this is stupid but pleeeease!" |
| 07:34.00 | \amethyst | installing coreutils 7.4-1 and letting it replace mktemp worked for me, but note that coreutils 7.4-1 moved the mktemp binary to /usr/bin from /bin |
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| 07:34.14 | serbz | is it normal for a dedicated server host to run its own data centre |
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| 07:34.20 | \amethyst | so it might be safer to wait for 7.4-2 to hit the archive |
| 07:34.31 | hark | \amethyst: the other way around? |
| 07:34.45 | Aberration | ok so I got sid....what can I do to solve ma asouncfonf issu? |
| 07:35.05 | \amethyst | hark: the mktemp package had it in /bin, coreutils 7.4-1 in /usr/bin, and coreutils 7.4-2 back in /bin |
| 07:35.15 | nkuttler | Aberration: install stable? |
| 07:36.04 | vi390 | can someone tell me where i can select several graphiccard resolutions in kde. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not contain such settings |
| 07:36.48 | Aberration | nkuttler install debian stable you mean? |
| 07:36.58 | hark | \amethyst: oh, i mixed up the from and to there :) |
| 07:37.11 | hark | Aberration: check the alsa wiki |
| 07:37.16 | Aberration | nkuttler I can't! I need some hardware support that ain't in the stable part |
| 07:37.35 | Agiofws | hello |
| 07:37.44 | mischief | anyone know the benefits of using PostgreSQL over MySQL? |
| 07:37.58 | Agiofws | i am trying to update via apt-get an i am getting a GPG error |
| 07:38.08 | Agiofws | can anyone help me eliminate this prob ? |
| 07:38.32 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/51492 |
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| 07:38.50 | Agiofws | W: GPG error: http://ftp.gr.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B ? |
| 07:38.56 | Agiofws | what do i do ? |
| 07:39.20 | enouf | install debian-archive-keyring Agiofws |
| 07:39.43 | ctp | hi folks. anyone here knows an alternative to ebtables for mac filtering? |
| 07:39.51 | enouf | go grab it from p.d.o and manually do it , using dpkg -i if needed |
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| 07:40.33 | Agiofws | enouf, ok done |
| 07:40.34 | Agiofws | now ? |
| 07:40.41 | enouf | make sure apt-key is also installed Agiofws |
| 07:40.55 | Agiofws | it is ... |
| 07:40.58 | hark | Aberration: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?title=FAQ026 |
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| 07:41.15 | Aberration | hark neat, I'll check it |
| 07:41.30 | enouf | !new archive key |
| 07:41.30 | dpkg | If you have fallen behind with your updates, then you may be getting this warning from apt-get update: "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 9AA38DCD55BE302B". Install the debian-archive-keyring package to load the new key or manually load the new key using apt-key after verifying that it has been correctly signed. Ask me about <secure apt> <apt-key 55BE302B>. |
| 07:41.37 | enouf | Agiofws: ^^^^ |
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| 07:42.02 | Agiofws | enouf, i think the problem is gone .. |
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| 07:42.47 | Agiofws | brb |
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| 07:43.52 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 07:43.53 | dpkg | <harpal> up365, Is it recommanded that I must have graphics card to do that |
| 07:44.36 | harpal | hark: :o |
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| 07:48.25 | liable | hehe |
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| 07:58.07 | jony123 | can someone please give me a link to down load the iso version for lenny of the net install please? |
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| 08:00.12 | wireddd | I have an adaptec AAR-1210SA sata pci card in this computer and it hangs, seemingly at random low/high load etc. any ideas on what I can do to get this working? here are the messages via dmesg http://pastebin.ca/1448469 |
| 08:00.47 | liable | !netinst |
| 08:00.47 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD image (or set of floppy images) which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
| 08:00.54 | liable | jony123: ^^ |
| 08:02.13 | jony123 | cheers its just its annoying browse websites in link cus i;ve got command line only |
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| 08:02.54 | wireddd | I think I am going to have to get a new card :( |
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| 08:05.01 | Joreji | Hey guys, I'd like to open up a shared desktop connection to a debian computer entirely from the command line. What command can I start a desktop session with, and what command can I then initialize the desktop sharing with? |
| 08:05.59 | Joreji | Unfortunately I don't have root access, but I have a "Desktop Sharing" menu under settings which I can access and use in order to create a VNC session. |
| 08:06.36 | Joreji | though I'd like to do it completely from the terminal. |
| 08:07.26 | jony123 | hey i need to download some stuff via bittorrnt which can i use threw command line only |
| 08:09.08 | xororand | jony123: rtorrent is a good CLI |
| 08:09.25 | jony123 | is it installed by default? |
| 08:09.37 | alinuxd555555556 | hi all...I got 50 users on my LAN and an external email server for the company domain...however the same external mail server is used by other branches...I want to know email statistics for my branch..is there some application I can install on my linux gateway to know how much traffic is coming in and going out of network...Email traffic that is ...with alisting of emails if possible...this is plain old pop3 |
| 08:10.16 | enouf | ok, gmail officially sucks my ass |
| 08:10.17 | HardDisk_WP | alinuxd555555556, you can get pure traffic by looking at ifconfig output |
| 08:10.26 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, o_O |
| 08:10.42 | alinuxd555555556 | HardDisk_WP, true ...but I need the email traffic only... |
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| 08:11.07 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a way to turn a website into HTML? this means, using FF rendering engine, rendering the website and make image of it |
| 08:11.41 | HardDisk_WP | i have 40 pages of which I need screenshots, unfortunately they're long and I don't like assembling them by hand |
| 08:11.59 | enouf | use FrontPage Express? :-p |
| 08:12.03 | enouf | runs |
| 08:12.16 | HardDisk_WP | Frontpage? *gets AK47 out* |
| 08:12.38 | enouf | runs ... faster than a speeding bullet :-P |
| 08:12.58 | enouf | what does Bluefish do? |
| 08:12.58 | HardDisk_WP | .oO( a real nerd codes by moving a tiny magnet over the disk ) |
| 08:13.16 | HardDisk_WP | Bluefish? isn't this this infamous bluetooth hacking toolkti= |
| 08:13.25 | enouf | oh .. |
| 08:13.40 | liable | drops a butron bomb in HardDisk_WP's neighbourhood |
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| 08:13.56 | liable | which is like a nuetron bomb |
| 08:14.30 | jony123 | anyone know how to use rtorrent |
| 08:15.25 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: this is all i got mate; http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html |
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| 08:16.05 | enouf | liable: difference being? it drops butts, instead of newts? |
| 08:16.11 | HardDisk_WP | http://www.downloadsquad.com/2005/12/23/page-saver-todays-browser-tip/ => sounds nice |
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| 08:17.28 | liable | enouf: yes, much more damaging to hard drives |
| 08:18.19 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: also; you were mistaken about bluefish http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/ |
| 08:18.40 | enouf | liable: no fans required :-) |
| 08:19.09 | nkuttler | jony123: the man page? |
| 08:19.41 | jony123 | nkuttler i dont wanna open another session to find out how to get out of it |
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| 08:19.54 | nkuttler | jony123: ctrl-q |
| 08:20.06 | jony123 | chhers |
| 08:20.08 | jony123 | cheers |
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| 08:20.26 | E-bola | Do anybody know a script or other util that will output the number of packages that has upgrades (apt-get)? |
| 08:20.34 | nkuttler | jony123: don't you know about gnu screen? |
| 08:20.45 | qiyong | sh -c "for i in seq 2 ; do echo $i; done" |
| 08:20.45 | qiyong | i: Undefined variable. |
| 08:20.58 | nkuttler | E-bola: really, why would you need that? |
| 08:21.40 | E-bola | nkuttler: So i can feed it into our monitoring solution, and keep track of it? |
| 08:21.52 | qiyong | why? |
| 08:21.54 | jony123 | cheers nkuttler got it started |
| 08:21.58 | enouf | apt-get -s -u install |
| 08:22.25 | enouf | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 90 not upgraded (should suffice to some degree) |
| 08:22.35 | E-bola | cool |
| 08:22.39 | enouf | apt-get update prior |
| 08:22.40 | E-bola | thats precisely what i need |
| 08:22.42 | nkuttler | assuming you run stable you want to install the upgrade, not count them |
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| 08:22.50 | E-bola | Hmm is -u not listed in the manpage? |
| 08:22.55 | hark | E-bola: aptitude search '~U' |
| 08:23.12 | nsadmin | -? ~? |
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| 08:23.21 | E-bola | nkuttler: yes, but it woudl be dumb to login on all systems dayli to check for updates right? |
| 08:23.23 | enouf | E-bola: note; that does _not_ mention some pkgs that might be *held back* due to various issues |
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| 08:24.08 | enouf | E-bola: it most certainly is in the debian-reference |
| 08:24.08 | nkuttler | E-bola: i think that's what the security list is for |
| 08:24.08 | nsadmin | E-bola: you'd be changing your system every time you did that |
| 08:24.21 | E-bola | Changing my system? |
| 08:24.35 | nsadmin | it's not necessarily good or bad. but an update is a change |
| 08:24.45 | E-bola | nkutlter: i rpefer our monitoring solution over keeping track of XX number of mailinglists |
| 08:25.01 | E-bola | nsadmin: ohh in that way, i dont mind this kind of cronned, update |
| 08:25.09 | E-bola | i guess i could put a apt-get clean into the script as well |
| 08:25.30 | nsadmin | what dist are you running? |
| 08:25.40 | E-bola | Debian etch for the most part |
| 08:25.47 | E-bola | some runs lenny |
| 08:25.47 | nkuttler | E-bola: see also cron-apt |
| 08:26.13 | E-bola | yep i saw cron-apt, but simply running enouf's command suits my needs better |
| 08:26.17 | nsadmin | you should backport from lenny if you're going to do that |
| 08:26.47 | nsadmin | which mostly is recompiling the source against the libs available in etch |
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| 08:27.01 | E-bola | backport? Why? To get certain updates not availeble on etch? |
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| 08:28.52 | nsadmin | right, mixed systems aren't that good of an idea, problems aren't very clear or known (way way wayyy too many possibilities)... if you recompile instead of install the lenny package, it's not going to break as easily |
| 08:29.09 | nsadmin | also your packaging database will be happier |
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| 08:30.06 | E-bola | I dont backport in etch unless i need something in lenny, why would i? |
| 08:30.10 | E-bola | etch still get updates? |
| 08:30.40 | nsadmin | point releases, but no new versions of anything, generally |
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| 08:31.23 | themill | (so situation normal, then) |
| 08:32.07 | nsadmin | since etch is already released, the only kind of bugs that would be considered for inclusion into point releases are the most critical ones, including security fixes |
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| 08:33.08 | nsadmin | not sure I phrased that right, I think it would work if you replace "bugs" with "bugfixes" |
| 08:33.47 | themill | hehe |
| 08:34.06 | E-bola | hehe |
| 08:34.23 | E-bola | Well generally since i mainly run production systems i more or less only care about securityfixes |
| 08:34.34 | E-bola | if i want new functionality or similar, id be running lenny |
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| 08:35.02 | themill | Occasionally backports of things like svn or git are useful on a server |
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| 08:35.25 | bartvk | Hey, can I compare a configuration file with the original as it was present in the package? |
| 08:36.06 | myeggo | hello, i am trying to install inotify on a dedicated server. On my local machine (debian 5.0) i had no problems and I cant find the reason. On server im using debian stable http://pastebin.com/m7bc0099e |
| 08:36.08 | bartvk | i.e. can I run a diff between the current /etc/apache2/httpd.conf and the version that's contained in the apache2.deb package? |
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| 08:36.30 | myeggo | I even cant get the way to know what package i need if i need them |
| 08:36.36 | nsadmin | bartvk if you have each, you can use something like diff -u origconfig alteredconfig > config.diff |
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| 08:36.55 | myeggo | indeed the configure messages are identical than my localmachine |
| 08:37.19 | nsadmin | where origconfig and alteredconfig are replaced by the real-life files |
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| 08:38.35 | themill | bartvk: httpd.conf is empty in Debian |
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| 08:41.31 | AussieGuy | if ive just used apt to install 20 things, where does it put the packages so I can install them on another machine without downloading again? |
| 08:42.04 | JPT | apt is loading the packages into a cache somewhere... |
| 08:42.05 | liable | AussieGuy: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 08:44.18 | jony123 | hmm Quu you know what i can do for fun while im on the command line |
| 08:44.41 | jony123 | or if anyone else wnats to suggest anything |
| 08:45.00 | liable | nethack |
| 08:45.04 | AussieGuy | tars them all up |
| 08:45.18 | jony123 | whats nethack? |
| 08:45.59 | liable | !nethack |
| 08:45.59 | dpkg | from memory, nethack is a great <rogue>-like game that kicks butt all over *angband. For more information, read http://www.nethack.org/ or read the newsgroup rec.games.roguelike.nethack. To play: apt-get install nethack; then run nethack. Movement is by default using the vi keys, but you can change the keybindings. |
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| 08:47.57 | themill | aptitude's minesweeper! |
| 08:48.54 | \amethyst | boggle from bsdgames |
| 08:49.50 | adb | solitaire .. |
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| 08:53.05 | IamSOG | !lxde |
| 08:53.05 | dpkg | [lxde] Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment, available for Debian since Lenny. To get LXDE, ask me about <install lxde>. http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions http://www.lxde.org/ #lxde on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 08:56.17 | StuckMojo | anyone know what's up with coreutils in sid? it wants to remove mktemp and apt has stern warnings against that...and the changelog file for coreutils is a broken link on packages.debian.org |
| 08:56.31 | themill | !btssmite StuckMojo |
| 08:56.31 | dpkg | beats StuckMojo around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if StuckMojo is running testing or unstable |
| 08:56.40 | themill | !dbugs 531846 |
| 08:56.44 | dpkg | DONE:#531846:S[coreutils] coreutils: Upgrading to 7.4-1 makes apt-get ask for 'Yes, do as I say!' because of mktemp (); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:45:02 UTC [] |
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| 08:57.15 | ArneBab | Hi |
| 08:57.20 | StuckMojo | themill: i had a feeling it was safe and that the new coreutils replaced it, based on it's Conflicts: line |
| 08:57.45 | ArneBab | Where can I find people creating tar archives of qemu images? |
| 08:58.09 | StuckMojo | themill: oh, i bit the bullet and upgraded apache to 2.2 |
| 08:58.15 | StuckMojo | just finished getting mono working |
| 08:58.19 | themill | :) |
| 08:58.26 | StuckMojo | mod-mono i mean |
| 08:58.37 | ArneBab | I didn't find the info by searching in the debian wiki or googling |
| 08:58.54 | StuckMojo | that was a pain too. there's a broken dependancy in it so i had to apt-get source and modify the control file and build my own deb of it |
| 08:59.20 | StuckMojo | it wants a package that doesn't exist anymore and whos functionality is provided by a different package, which i do have |
| 08:59.22 | themill | StuckMojo: btw you can always find the latest changelog entry on the package tracking system in the "Accepted version in unstable" entried under Latest News: http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/coreutils.html |
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| 08:59.38 | StuckMojo | themill: oh cool, thanks |
| 08:59.58 | themill | StuckMojo: mono-jit? |
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| 09:00.09 | StuckMojo | themill: yep |
| 09:00.48 | StuckMojo | themill: i just modified the Depends: in the control file and changed that to mono-runtime |
| 09:00.55 | StuckMojo | it works fine |
| 09:01.05 | StuckMojo | afaict that's what now contains the JIT stuff |
| 09:02.32 | StuckMojo | ah, i see coreutils 7.4-2 fixes that warning |
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| 09:03.56 | IamSOG | anyone know if LXDE can be installed on ETCH ? |
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| 09:06.08 | liable | doubt it, unless there are backports |
| 09:07.09 | IamSOG | Oic... |
| 09:07.23 | IamSOG | LXDE looks nice, just want to give it a try :D guess I need to upgrade first |
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| 09:09.05 | hanibana | hi all :) |
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| 09:13.52 | hanibana | I have had this problem with my smplayer.... during playing any audio/video file with smplayer, when I do any other work (like openning another window, openning a menu, minimizing, maximizing, almost any other action) , it causes an instant interrupt in its video/audio playing,... I like smplayer so much for its powerfull features, but this problem is very annoying :( |
| 09:14.08 | hanibana | I'm using Debian Lenny.... |
| 09:14.18 | hanibana | My system resources are NOT bad.... |
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| 09:14.35 | hanibana | any experience?! |
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| 09:21.56 | nkuttler | hanibana: mplayer has a lot of documentation that you should check |
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| 09:23.43 | mrglinux | how can I change proxy setting with commandline? |
| 09:24.14 | nkuttler | mrglinux: proxy setting? |
| 09:24.32 | nsadmin | which proxy are you using |
| 09:25.16 | mrglinux | I set http proxy - ip and port and when I enter apt-get update it wants to connect 192.168.1.40 that I set before |
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| 09:25.24 | gloutupp | hi y'all |
| 09:25.32 | mrglinux | but I don't remmber where is that file |
| 09:26.04 | themill | mrglinux: you can configure it in /etc/apt/apt.conf or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/* |
| 09:26.26 | gloutupp | I'm sure you can help : I'm tryin to patch my kernel with the ingo molna rt patch.... but i'm stuck cause I don't lnow what to put in "file to patch" |
| 09:26.37 | hanibana | nkuttler : ok thnx I'll do that... |
| 09:26.41 | mrglinux | I don't use also wget |
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| 09:27.18 | nkuttler | gloutupp: huh? man patch? |
| 09:27.23 | mrglinux | because it wants to pass in that ip |
| 09:27.53 | mrglinux | I found it |
| 09:27.57 | mrglinux | it's export |
| 09:28.27 | mrglinux | how can I remove this line from export declare -x http_proxy="http://192.168.5.45:8080/" |
| 09:28.39 | gloutupp | nkuttler yup... but if you have a better idea ^^ I'm fallowing a tuto..that forgot to tell me what to put into "file to patch"... |
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| 09:29.13 | nkuttler | gloutupp: kernel patches usually apply to more than one file, so you use a dir |
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| 09:30.06 | gloutupp | nkuttler such /usr/src? |
| 09:30.25 | nkuttler | gloutupp: what's rt anyway? realtime? |
| 09:30.40 | gloutupp | nkuttler yep that's it |
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| 09:31.22 | nkuttler | i always though the rt stuff was in kernel now.. |
| 09:31.37 | nkuttler | gloutupp: the path to your kernel sources of course.. |
| 09:31.53 | liable | i thought the dude working on those gave up a while ago due to kernel dev issues (ingo saying they were shit then implementing it?) |
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| 09:32.37 | gloutupp | nkuttler nop, cause rt stuffs are still pretty experimental... so it won't be in there for a long time |
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| 09:33.20 | nkuttler | my kernel patching days are gone |
| 09:33.50 | nkuttler | needs fresh hardware |
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| 09:34.45 | gloutupp | nkuttler each time I give it some '/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.29-2-686' it says "no such file or directory'... |
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| 09:35.44 | liable | if you are patching the kernel, headers are not what you need. you need source |
| 09:37.31 | nirupama | why do we get the libpq not found error even if the postgres and libpq versions are installed |
| 09:37.56 | nkuttler | gloutupp: see http://linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/Kernel-HOWTO-6.html for example |
| 09:38.14 | nkuttler | !tell nirupama about errors |
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| 09:39.26 | nirupama | nkuttler, I was installing a package from source.I did ./configure after some time it shows error as checking for libpq-fe.h... no |
| 09:39.27 | nirupama | configure: error: libpq not found. Please see http://www.postgresql.org |
| 09:39.27 | nirupama | .But I have installed the libpq-dev package and postgresql also |
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| 09:40.34 | nkuttler | nirupama: i can only guess that configure doesn't know where to look for your libs, try ./configure --help |
| 09:40.56 | nkuttler | nirupama: why are you building from source anyway? |
| 09:41.10 | StuckMojo | themill: hey how'd you know it was mono-jit? i'm looking at the package tracking system and there's no bug about it... |
| 09:41.12 | nirupama | nkuttler, yes i did that and ./configure --help shows --with-libpq=DIR |
| 09:41.17 | StuckMojo | themill: for mod-mono |
| 09:41.31 | StuckMojo | wonders if he should report it |
| 09:41.37 | nirupama | nkuttler, that package does not have deb. |
| 09:41.59 | nkuttler | nirupama: 'that'? |
| 09:42.01 | themill | StuckMojo: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libapache2-mod-mono shows mono-jit: package not available |
| 09:42.02 | nirupama | nkuttler, now I dont understand where that libpq is available in path |
| 09:42.11 | nkuttler | nirupama: dpkg -L package |
| 09:42.23 | StuckMojo | themill: should there be a bug then in the tracking system? |
| 09:43.12 | simonrvn | /usr/include/postgresql/ |
| 09:43.23 | gloutupp | nkuttler thanks for the link but unfortunatly it doesn't help |
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| 09:46.00 | tux | I want to setup postfix as MTA for a Wordpress platform. What is the easiest way to do it? Just install and configure it as an Internet site? |
| 09:46.28 | themill | StuckMojo: I've just pinged one of the maintainers for mono who says that this is known and that uploaded packages are sitting in their svn repository awaiting upload somtime Real Soon Now |
| 09:46.53 | StuckMojo | hehe |
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| 09:47.01 | StuckMojo | darn. i thought i was going to get to report my first bug |
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| 09:47.28 | daishadar | what happens if you try to install a package that is in two of your repos in sources.list? should it take the newest version? |
| 09:47.44 | daishadar | it seems to want to install an older version... |
| 09:47.52 | themill | dpkg: tell daishadar about pinning |
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| 09:48.00 | themill | !wayttd daishadar |
| 09:48.01 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, daishadar? |
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| 09:48.22 | liable | it should want the new one, yes |
| 09:48.40 | daishadar | um... i'm trying to install eclipse |
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| 09:48.57 | hoohaah | hi guys. any of you use rkhunter? I get Warning: Suspicious file types found in /dev: /dev/shm/network/ifstate: ASCII text |
| 09:49.05 | hoohaah | how do i tell rkhunter to safely ignore this file? |
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| 09:49.31 | liable | daishadar: if you have added unstable or testing, just to upgrade one program to the latest version, you are going about it the wrong way |
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| 09:49.32 | hoohaah | i've tried --propupd /dev/shm... but this appears to only work for files that are in the database |
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| 09:49.43 | themill | daishadar: eclipse has the same version in lenny squeeze and sid, so where's this newer version coming from? |
| 09:49.47 | simonrvn | hoohaah: that's a false positive very often, just check it to make sure it says stuff like eth=eth0 or such things |
| 09:49.59 | simonrvn | hoohaah: er, eth0=eth0 |
| 09:50.00 | daishadar | themill: whoops, i should be in #ubuntu :( |
| 09:50.12 | liable | hah |
| 09:50.16 | themill | daishadar: ahh... off you go then.... :) |
| 09:50.22 | daishadar | hehe |
| 09:50.25 | hoohaah | simonrvn: yeah it's fine. As I'm getting email notifications through cron job, I want to get rid of all the false-positive warnings generated by rkhunter |
| 09:50.40 | liable | themill: you are a good man, I am way to lazy to even check its version! |
| 09:50.55 | hoohaah | simonrvn: ie less noise. I've 'allowed' a majority of the warnings, but those listed in 'local host' test, for instance, can't be allowed via --propupd |
| 09:50.59 | StuckMojo | themill: what's the proper way to go about finding a fix or whatever for the fact that apt-get source is now complaining about: "gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found" any time i get a source package? |
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| 09:51.37 | StuckMojo | i have debian-archive-keyring installed |
| 09:51.51 | themill | StuckMojo: (please ask the channel not an individual person). I *think* you need to import debian-archive-keyring into your own keyring. (or tell gpg to use that keyring as well) |
| 09:51.53 | hoohaah | is it possible to get rkhunter to accept all warnings as acceptable? |
| 09:52.08 | caraconan | Hi. From yesterday I can't access to any subversion repo: http://pastebin.com/m10695ba2. I can't access too via elinks, but I can access via iceweasel. Any idea? |
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| 09:52.14 | StuckMojo | themill: ah |
| 09:52.18 | StuckMojo | thanks |
| 09:52.38 | simonrvn | *shrug* i usually just put up with the cron.daily mails ;). |
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| 09:53.23 | themill | liable: actually, I knew that one off the top of my head... eclipse is in a sad state in debian. There's been some work to try to solve it but it's mostly been abortive so far. It's the sort of thing that (1) gets people fired up to join up as a new maintainer because they want to give the package some love and then (2) breaks their spirit so they sulk off with their tail between their legs |
| 09:53.50 | hoohaah | simonrvn: okay :) |
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| 09:53.55 | simonrvn | unless they have a fricking hard head |
| 09:54.02 | liable | themill: heh, am i guessing right in that you are speaking from experience? |
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| 09:54.25 | hoohaah | through the wire, more likely |
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| 09:54.49 | themill | liable: no... I've just seen this a few times over the last couple of years in #d-java and #d-mentors. |
| 09:54.50 | BW^- | guys, on my newly installed etch box, i installed php5, and then the PECL http client |
| 09:54.56 | simonrvn | hoohaah: i get that mail anyway, so 2-5 extra lines is not going to matter very much in a 75-250 line email |
| 09:55.50 | hoohaah | simonrvn: weird. On squeeze, I only seem to get warnings |
| 09:55.57 | hoohaah | I haven't touched any config files |
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| 09:56.11 | liable | thats what they all say! |
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| 09:56.25 | quitte | themill: I was about to squeeze all knowledge about the eclipse build process out of you. |
| 09:56.30 | hoohaah | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.41 | BW^- | now i get this http://pastebin.com/m48532533 |
| 09:56.50 | themill | quitte: hehe |
| 09:56.56 | BW^- | what is my error as regards the installing .so files for php ? |
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| 09:57.25 | hoohaah | simonrvn: did you increase verbosity level perchance, or is this mail an aggregate mail from system services? |
| 09:57.28 | quitte | i'll try anyways. what is this cvs magic the ppa package does? |
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| 09:57.44 | themill | quitte: how's it going? |
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| 09:58.49 | quitte | themill: the horror. there is _nobody_ you could talk to. and it's a mess. I still don't know what exactly I should pick from upstream. |
| 09:59.04 | themill | BW^-: install the php5-curl package? |
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| 10:03.42 | BW^- | how do i identify in what package the app "ip" is? |
| 10:03.46 | BW^- | i.e. a binary file by the name "ip" |
| 10:03.52 | BW^- | themill: that did quite a lot of it! :) |
| 10:04.09 | IamSOG | lol this is funny when I ask dpkg about CDE |
| 10:04.11 | themill | BW^-: apt-file is your friend |
| 10:04.38 | themill | BW^-: (which is actually the answer to both your previous question and this latest one) |
| 10:05.47 | BW^- | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.35 | BW^- | themill: how do i make it show the binary file "ip"? |
| 10:06.41 | BW^- | "apt-file search ip" does not do it |
| 10:06.57 | themill | "apt-file search bin/ip" will do better |
| 10:06.57 | BW^- | aha apt-file update first |
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| 10:07.09 | themill | err yes, and that's a necessary step |
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| 10:08.08 | themill | BW^-: and "apt-file -x search bin/ip$" ftw |
| 10:08.46 | BW^- | ok |
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| 10:10.42 | janmejay | themill: security.debian.org doesn't have Contents-i386.gz :-( any fix for repositories that don't have Contents file? |
| 10:10.42 | stuNNed | if dpkg-reconfigure -a died at a certain time is there a way to go back to where it left off? |
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| 10:11.08 | themill | janmejay: ignore it. It's not a problem |
| 10:11.19 | janmejay | themill: thanks :-) |
| 10:11.30 | tux | I just configured postfix but ehlo localhost shows no information at all |
| 10:11.43 | tux | how to tell if postfix is working as an internet site? |
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| 10:13.26 | tenzind | hi, how do we normally configure a scanner in Debian ? |
| 10:13.57 | stuNNed | would it be dpkg-reconfigure -au? |
| 10:13.57 | tenzind | i installed Xsane. but it says no device detected |
| 10:13.59 | streuner_ | you don't :-) |
| 10:14.12 | tux | tenzind, then perhaps it is not supported |
| 10:14.19 | streuner_ | is the scanner supported at all? |
| 10:15.04 | bzed | or it needs firmware |
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| 10:16.25 | tenzind | tux: its a HP Scanjet G3110 ... there are some mention of that model in https://alioth.debian.org/project/report/?group_id=30186 .. people seem to have had them configured .. but theres no documentation on it |
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| 10:17.38 | SQlvpapir | qemu is really taking a lot of ressources and running slow with a xp inside.. any suggestions for other free virtual machines? |
| 10:18.22 | streuner_ | tenzind:http://www.sane-project.org/man/sane-hp3900.5.html |
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| 10:21.23 | beardy | SQlvpapir: Try virtualbox. (Though IIRC virtualbox is partly based on qemu, but.. try it.) |
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| 10:22.35 | Bloed | /away/win 4 |
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| 10:23.18 | stuNNed | dpkg-reconfigure -a died on samba, is there a way to restart it where it left off skipping this package? |
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| 10:25.24 | DDevine | beardy: It isn't. Virtualbox is XVM. |
| 10:26.13 | DDevine | And there is nothing wrong with Qemu actually. |
| 10:26.33 | DDevine | SQlvpapir: What processor do you have? (and how much RAM) |
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| 10:27.07 | SQlvpapir | DDevine: c2d 2ghz and 2gb ram.. should be sufficient when I only use ~20% ram for other apps |
| 10:27.14 | SQlvpapir | beardy: thanks I'll check it out |
| 10:27.18 | beardy | DDevine: Eh? |
| 10:27.48 | DDevine | SQlvpapir: Use KVM or Virtualbox - and I think your processor might have Intel VT . |
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| 10:28.00 | beardy | DDevine: DDevine That is the name it got when Sun bought it yes. |
| 10:28.07 | DDevine | Try Virtuabox because if you don't have VT you can fall back to full virtualization. |
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| 10:28.54 | uwjweq | Whats the most lightweight terminal that supports tabs? |
| 10:29.00 | beardy | DDevine: "In January 2007, VirtualBox was released. It uses some of QEMU's virtual hardware devices and has a built-in dynamic recompiler that is based on QEMU. As with KQEMU, it runs nearly all guest code natively on the host via the VMM (Virtual Machine Manager), and uses the recompiler only for special situations as a fallback mechanism (this holds true for guest code that executes in real mode and some other rare scenarios at runtime)." and so on. |
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| 10:29.46 | DDevine | beardy: Ok, well I was wrong. |
| 10:29.50 | maxxer | hi. why debian alpha CDimages are 3 isos, while the MD5 reports 29 cds? |
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| 10:30.02 | maxxer | and DVD is 1, while md5 contains 5 dvds? |
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| 10:30.14 | DDevine | SQlvpapir: What does "egrep '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo" output? |
| 10:31.08 | SQlvpapir | fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm lahf_lm ida tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority |
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| 10:32.28 | DDevine | SQlvpapir: egrep '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 10:32.31 | DDevine | that full command. |
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| 10:33.06 | DDevine | ah sorry |
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| 10:33.25 | DDevine | Yeah you have virtualisation extensions. |
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| 10:33.37 | DDevine | So you could use Virtualbox, but KVM has slightly better performance. |
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| 10:34.17 | Nirkus | hi! how does one disable the startup of gdm/kdm with Debian lenny? |
| 10:34.29 | Guerin | !nodm |
| 10:34.30 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
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| 10:36.44 | Nirkus | Guerin: thx |
| 10:36.57 | hoohaah | hi guys. i've a slight problem with uswsusp. I'm using the swap partition /dev/sdb3 (which has a label 'swap') I'd like the the saved image there. Unfortunately, /dev/sda containing windows will invariably go offline at boot, causing /dev/sdb to be known as /dev/sda. This is a problem as the /dev/sdb3 is statically defined in uswsusp.conf. Is there any way I can use LABEL instead? |
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| 10:37.56 | liable | eh? |
| 10:38.10 | hoohaah | basically, /dev/sdb turns into /dev/sda when original /dev/sda is not available. |
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| 10:38.26 | hoohaah | this is a problem as /dev/sdb3 is statically defined as save-device for suspend |
| 10:38.38 | hoohaah | what qualified the 'eh?' ? |
| 10:38.42 | liable | why would sda suddenly not be available? |
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| 10:39.10 | hoohaah | i've yet to address that as all the disk checks I've run (native windows, and 3rd party) report the disk as fine |
| 10:39.23 | hoohaah | but it seems after an extended shutdown period, disk will not spin up |
| 10:39.43 | hoohaah | so I've given up trying to get it to work. my fstab contains LABELS directive to address this |
| 10:40.02 | hoohaah | disk would be available after booting into linux, and rebooting |
| 10:40.49 | liable | hoohaah: ok, that makes some sense, and yes, grub can do disk labels to iirc |
| 10:41.12 | liable | s/to/too/ |
| 10:41.27 | liable | might be grub2, not sure, google should know |
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| 10:41.56 | hoohaah | liable: the strangest thing is, there is no 'resume' mentioned in grub config |
| 10:42.20 | hoohaah | I didn't expect uswsusp package to alter initrd image, as it appears to have done |
| 10:42.41 | hoohaah | there is a .bak file of initrd generated around the same time the uswsusp package was installed |
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| 10:43.17 | liable | hoohaah: there used to be, i havent kept up with suspend due to acpi being a pits for me, so i suppose you need to check up on the docs for whichever suspend method you are using. |
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| 10:45.01 | hoohaah | liable: re grub's resume, does this override that specified in uswsusp.conf? |
| 10:45.03 | arvind_khadri | hi, i have compiled vlc from source... and want it to run when i give vlc command... i compiled it using checkinstall |
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| 10:45.11 | hoohaah | or at least, do you ever recall it doing so? |
| 10:45.24 | themill | hoohaah: "resume" isn't needed, only "noresume" is required if you want to abort the resume |
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| 10:45.55 | hoohaah | isn't needed in grub, or uswsusp.conf? |
| 10:46.14 | themill | not needed in grub |
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| 10:47.28 | hoohaah | so without explicitly asking for it, suspend-resume will occur after bootloader&kernel stage? |
| 10:47.37 | hoohaah | (if suspend image is found) ? |
| 10:47.50 | themill | yes. If you suspended, then the assumption is that you want to resume |
| 10:48.05 | hoohaah | how does the system gather this info? |
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| 10:48.24 | hoohaah | does suspend toggle an option that is then checked upon next reboot? |
| 10:48.48 | themill | hoohaah: the suspend image has a definite signature in the swap partition. (or at least that's how it used to work) |
| 10:49.00 | hoohaah | heh. i'm a bit side-tracked here. is LABEL acceptable for resume device? |
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| 10:49.38 | themill | Not that I know of and man 8 uswsusp.conf just says "device". As a work-around for this, you could use a swap-file for suspend if you have enough disk space. |
| 10:50.31 | themill | hoohaah: It handles swap partitions on lvm happily enough, so that might also be a way of fixing it |
| 10:50.31 | hoohaah | Nah, I'm a bit tight on space atm |
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| 10:51.35 | hoohaah | I'm having a look-see through http://techpatterns.com/forums/about1178.html |
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| 10:52.06 | hoohaah | one of the few hits google returned for 'uswsusp.conf resume label' |
| 10:52.50 | hoohaah | as suggested by the page, is uswsusp's name actually mu-swsusp? |
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| 10:53.30 | anigma | what is recommended to install to get identd in debian? |
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| 10:54.03 | Hobbes` | anyone know how to enable cpufreq scaling on an Atom mini-itx board with Lenny ? |
| 10:54.28 | themill | hoohaah: u for either mu (micro) or userspace. I think it's changed a couple of times along the way depending on what they were trying to emphasise |
| 10:54.34 | arvind_khadri | how do i add values to an env variable? |
| 10:54.43 | Hobbes` | I get this .. FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device |
| 10:55.23 | Hobbes` | arvind_khadri something like PATH=$PATH:/append/this/path/too |
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| 10:56.19 | stuNNed | i guess dpkg-reconfigure -au should work |
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| 10:59.00 | Crissi | hello. i have an problem with python under debian linux. i want to use the python binding on freeradius. i compiled it find but on loading i got an error: |
| 10:59.08 | Crissi | rlm_python:EXCEPT:<type 'exceptions.ImportError'>: /usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/time.so: undefined symbol: PyExc_IOError |
| 10:59.19 | Crissi | this only happens on the debian machine |
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| 11:00.04 | Crissi | etch |
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| 11:03.27 | nsadmin | what version of python is on the other machine? |
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| 11:03.51 | Gliid | Hello folks |
| 11:03.56 | arvind_khadri | i just compiled vlc 0.9 with checkinstall on an am64, as the site doesnt have a amd64 version i was thinking that it would be helpful if i could load it somewhere |
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| 11:04.47 | Gliid | I'm trying to install compiz but I got a brocken dependencies (compiz-gtk & comiz gnome)... what can I do? |
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| 11:05.43 | nsadmin | find out why the dependencies are broken |
| 11:06.23 | nsadmin | perhaps you have a mixed system? perhaps the compiz is not appropriate for the version of debian you run? |
| 11:06.36 | Gliid | nsadmin yeah but I got em, but it is said that they must be installed |
| 11:06.43 | Gliid | musn't |
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| 11:07.20 | arvind_khadri | no ppa's for debian ? |
| 11:08.06 | Yassine_Tn | Hello. I have a problem with my all new lenny installation : I have --> [numbers,numbers] hdd : drive not ready for command. <--. Hdd is My (old) cd-rom drive. [ Note : I have had problem with that same drive when I tried to install Xubuntu (I had to do something with hd-parm to have it work), I just installed from an usb stick ] |
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| 11:09.15 | Yassine_Tn | I have heard [ here http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=215364] that it might be du to the kernel 2.6.24. Help ! |
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| 11:11.06 | nkuttler | Yassine_Tn: hm? check dmesg output |
| 11:11.39 | DDevine | Yassine_Tn: Try a different kernel and then if it persists look for a different answer. |
| 11:11.55 | Yassine_Tn | I don't think that's necessary, because my screen is flooded with this error at boot time. |
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| 11:12.17 | Yassine_Tn | DDevine: How do I try a new kernem ? I just download a generic one from somewhere ? |
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| 11:12.58 | Yassine_Tn | And do Debian install patches or sthg in its kernels ? |
| 11:13.09 | nkuttler | Yassine_Tn: yes |
| 11:13.18 | Hobbes` | Yassine_Tn it could be a bad cable or other issues too |
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| 11:14.04 | Yassine_Tn | Hobbes`: I don't think so, I've installed lenny 3 time on the same machine, and I'ce checked everything, same problem. |
| 11:14.18 | Hobbes` | the hdparm options may just make the errors less frequent .. and not really go away completely |
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| 11:14.26 | Yassine_Tn | Does www.debian.com have kernels available to download ? |
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| 11:15.38 | Yassine_Tn | A newbie's question : Are all Linux distro using compatible Linux kernels ? ( I mean, do Debian put patches or sthg in its kernel ?? ) |
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| 11:16.09 | patrikf | Yassine_Tn: yes, they often apply additional patches to the kernel |
| 11:16.24 | SQlvpapir | usually patches that makes it in to the kernel anyway |
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| 11:16.41 | SQlvpapir | or to deal with old/stable software |
| 11:16.51 | Yassine_Tn | My Ubuntu Kernel would work great in my debian box, no ? |
| 11:17.20 | patrikf | Yassine_Tn: no, because it probably depends heavily on modules only your ubuntu installation has |
| 11:17.55 | Yassine_Tn | I see. Are there kernels to download in debian.com ? If not, can you give me some link ? |
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| 11:21.23 | gynterk | hello, let's say I have a tar file which has a directory called myDir and in this directory are some files, I want to extract files only from this myDir. If i do tar xf mytar.tar myDir it's gona do the trick, but keeps the myDir as path. I want to extract files from myDir to current directory. |
| 11:21.39 | tenzind | streuner_: thanks for the link. The scanner got detected ... :) |
| 11:21.45 | gynterk | ex myDir/* to ./* |
| 11:22.44 | streuner_ | tenzind: good work :-) |
| 11:23.34 | tenzind | streuner_: but sadly, while scanning .. i only get a dark image ... :( |
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| 11:23.59 | streuner_ | hehe :-) |
| 11:23.59 | tenzind | streuner_: i am using xsane to scan |
| 11:24.26 | Yassine_Tn | Guys from where can I download an already compiled linux kernel for my Lenny please ?? |
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| 11:25.16 | Hobbes` | Yassine_Tn kernels aren't usually distro dependent |
| 11:25.36 | Hobbes` | you get a newer kernel from squeeze or sid |
| 11:25.38 | SQlvpapir | Yassine_Tn: in the repos? |
| 11:25.40 | Hobbes` | you can* |
| 11:26.02 | Hobbes` | or you can try using your ubuntu kernel |
| 11:26.11 | Yassine_Tn | SQlvpapir: Yes but my debian isn't connected to the net. Can I browse the repo with firefox ??? |
| 11:26.22 | SQlvpapir | or head over to kernel.org .. its not that difficault to compile on debian. the most challenging is to get a proper config |
| 11:26.28 | SQlvpapir | Yassine_Tn: packages.debian.org |
| 11:26.34 | streuner_ | tenzind: and thats stable/lenny? |
| 11:26.37 | Hobbes` | if you are copying it over.. make sure you copy the modules too |
| 11:26.46 | Yassine_Tn | Hobbes`: I will try with my generic Ubuntu kernel, and I will be back. Thanks. |
| 11:26.53 | tenzind | streuner_: yeah .. lenny |
| 11:26.57 | Yassine_Tn | SQlvpapir: I will have a look. brb |
| 11:27.32 | Yassine_Tn | Hobbes`: Euh .. where do I find the modules ?? |
| 11:27.40 | SQlvpapir | lib modules |
| 11:27.41 | SQlvpapir | usually |
| 11:27.49 | Hobbes` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:28.08 | Yassine_Tn | SQlvpapir: Ok thanks. |
| 11:28.55 | streuner_ | tenzind: and in windows the scanner works correctly? |
| 11:28.56 | Yassine_Tn | Wow ! There are dozens of kernels in debian repo. I just pick one randomly ? |
| 11:29.33 | streuner_ | argh,netsplit |
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| 11:29.33 | SQlvpapir | Yassine_Tn: pick the most recent for your architecture |
| 11:29.34 | SQlvpapir | check output of uname -r |
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| 11:31.48 | Yassine_Tn | I don't know my architecture ! I Have an old AMD proc., and all my x86 OSes can run on it. I download the 486 kernel ? |
| 11:32.03 | streuner_ | sure, thats ok too |
| 11:32.09 | streuner_ | !k7 |
| 11:32.10 | dpkg | methinks k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out, see <k7 dropped>. |
| 11:32.10 | Yassine_Tn | SQlvpapir: I just read your post. I will check. |
| 11:32.53 | streuner_ | tenzind: to make sure, its not a hardware-issue... |
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| 11:33.11 | lo127 | any sugestions on how to make SREC files? some kind of objcopy? |
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| 11:33.20 | tenzind | streuner_: didnt try out on a windows machine .. |
| 11:33.33 | Yassine_Tn | A last question : What's an .Udeb file ? Kind of new .deb ?? |
| 11:33.56 | streuner_ | !udeb |
| 11:33.56 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 11:34.24 | Yassine_Tn | What is policy compliant ? |
| 11:34.26 | Yassine_Tn | :-D |
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| 11:34.38 | streuner_ | Yassine_Tn: DFSG |
| 11:34.53 | Yassine_Tn | What is DFSG .. no I am kidding. |
| 11:35.00 | streuner_ | Yassine_Tn: /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 11:35.15 | lo127 | anyone ever worked with SREC files? |
| 11:35.54 | abrotman | actually |
| 11:35.56 | abrotman | !policy |
| 11:35.57 | dpkg | hmm... policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 11:36.20 | Yassine_Tn | Ok I got one in french. Thanks. |
| 11:36.30 | Yassine_Tn | I will be back. Thanks guys.. |
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| 11:43.21 | abrotman | and if they were? |
| 11:43.38 | nan8 | abrotman: just want to know if it is worth to buy one |
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| 11:46.13 | tenzind | wow |
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| 11:47.00 | abrotman | nan8: isn't that an arm board? |
| 11:47.25 | abrotman | (so obviously i don't have one) |
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| 11:51.00 | nan8 | abrotman: yes |
| 11:51.23 | abrotman | nan8: there is an arm channel on OFTC |
| 11:51.28 | abrotman | i think #debian-arm |
| 11:51.44 | nan8 | abrotman: ah - good idea - thanks - will try |
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| 11:52.27 | nsadmin | nan8: a coupla things you can do, you can google for beagleboard and maybe find list postings and then you can talk to who wrote those postings, which you might choose to do if they say they have one |
| 11:52.54 | nsadmin | you could also ask in places like #hardware |
| 11:53.55 | nsadmin | herewegoagain |
| 11:53.56 | abrotman | BOUNCY! |
| 11:54.12 | beardy | BOING! |
| 11:55.02 | stew | happy friday |
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| 12:01.51 | sdousley|work | Hi, I'm trying to install Debian onto a RAID-10 setup, but having setup the partitions all correctly, and copied all the files, GRUB fails to install. Does anyone know how I could manually install GRUB from a LiveCD for this to work? |
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| 12:03.46 | sdousley|work | This is on Debian Lenny |
| 12:03.51 | bzed | sdousley|work: you need to create a raid1 for /boot |
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| 12:04.08 | sdousley|work | Will /boot not work on RAID 10? |
| 12:04.21 | bzed | sdousley|work: make ~150MB partitions on all disks, put a raid 1 on it and mount it on /boot |
| 12:04.23 | bzed | sdousley|work: no. |
| 12:04.39 | sdousley|work | ah, so there's 4 disks in the RAID1? |
| 12:04.56 | bzed | sdousley|work: yeah, and then install grub into the MBRs of each disk |
| 12:05.00 | sdousley|work | ok |
| 12:05.15 | bzed | so you can still boot when the first disk is gone |
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| 12:05.39 | sdousley|work | and then make a RAID10 with the rest of the space? |
| 12:06.07 | stuNNed | if i install kernel-patch-* with apt-get does the patch get applied automagically to the kernel i'm using and just a reboot is needed? |
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| 12:10.01 | sdousley|work | bzed: and then after the RAID-1 make the rest of the space as RAID-10? |
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| 12:11.13 | bzed | sdousley|work: yeah |
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| 12:11.32 | bzed | sdousley|work: and I'd put LVM on top of the raid10, but that depends on what you need |
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| 12:11.45 | bzed | stuNNed: you need to rebuild the kernel |
| 12:12.06 | bzed | stuNNed: which means you should know what you're doing |
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| 12:12.26 | stuNNed | bzed: ok thanks |
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| 12:13.30 | Mac11 | hi if i made a luks encrypted partition on distro a will distro b have any probs opening it? |
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| 12:13.43 | Mac11 | assuming the veriosn is = or newer? |
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| 12:14.48 | bboksa | I have got a strange problem with an tls-enabled samba on lenny: http://pastebin.com/m5fe159a2 |
| 12:15.24 | bboksa | it happens on reboot and goes away after "/etc/init.d/samba stop && killall -s 9 smbd && /etc/init.d/samba start" |
| 12:15.33 | bboksa | any ideas what that could be? |
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| 12:18.26 | lo127 | can the "default" (gcc 4.3) cross compile from x86 to powerpc? |
| 12:18.45 | flami | Hi, Im trying to make my power button to shut down my PC. I put +x on /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn and powerbtn-acpi-support. but it doesnt seem to do anything. |
| 12:19.22 | flami | what script gets called , or how can I figure out if it actually finds my power button ? |
| 12:19.42 | nsadmin | bboksa: did it ever work? |
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| 12:20.27 | bboksa | nsadmin: well, it works (i can login) but fails on restart… |
| 12:21.15 | bboksa | nsadmin: (on restarting the machine) |
| 12:21.58 | nsadmin | has it always done that? or was there a time when restarts worked fine? |
| 12:22.17 | lo127 | Can I use the default version of gcc to cross compile for powerpc? |
| 12:22.19 | lo127 | anyone? |
| 12:22.39 | nsadmin | no, you need a cross compiler |
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| 12:22.57 | lo127 | I kind of figured |
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| 12:23.13 | bboksa | nsadmin: "always done that" - configured tls for samba's ldap 3 hours ago - since then there is this problem… |
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| 12:23.41 | lo127 | nsadmin, any sugestion on where I can find one that works for debian/ubuntu? |
| 12:23.56 | stew | lo127: you could make a cross compiler out of gcc 4.3, but its not like you could "aptitude install gcc" then use it as a cross compiler using the correct set of switches |
| 12:24.07 | nsadmin | if worst comes to worst, you can build the cross compiler yourself |
| 12:24.29 | nsadmin | the instructions to do so are in the INSTALL file in the source tree at its root |
| 12:25.05 | lo127 | stew, thats what I found when I googled |
| 12:25.16 | lo127 | I use to develop for avr based systems |
| 12:25.34 | lo127 | then I simply used an standalone avr-gcc port |
| 12:25.42 | nsadmin | stew: do the buildds use cross envs? |
| 12:25.52 | stew | nsadmin: no |
| 12:25.56 | sdousley|work | bzed: is it normal for the installer to say "Unable to re-read partition table from /dev/md0" after we've setup the partitions/Raid? |
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| 12:26.12 | nsadmin | so they use native gccs, and therefore have to be the same arch? |
| 12:26.17 | stew | nsadmin: right |
| 12:26.18 | Hobbes` | bboksa /wc |
| 12:26.20 | Hobbes` | oops |
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| 12:27.02 | lo127 | stew, nsadmin, can you explain pleas? |
| 12:27.21 | nsadmin | so he's gonna have to build a cross env... including gcc, libs and binutils |
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| 12:28.01 | bzed | sdousley|work: /dev/md0 shouldn't have a partition table at all |
| 12:28.21 | lo127 | nsadmin, I will need a ppc gcc port and binutils, but can't they simply be installed true packages? |
| 12:28.34 | bzed | sdousley|work: probably that a left over form your former installation |
| 12:28.35 | nsadmin | bboksa: maybe the order in which things happen at boot is wrong when you use that config |
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| 12:29.06 | Roland123 | Hi! Is it possible to disable a I2C real-time clock temporarily? |
| 12:29.47 | bboksa | nsadmin: any idea how to tebug that? (samba needs one external file (.ldaprc) which is available in the local file system… |
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| 12:30.09 | stew | lo127: they could. I don't know where you would find such packages. I don't know of any packages of a i386->ppc cross compiling gcc or cross linking binutils |
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| 12:30.28 | sdousley|work | bzed: ah, ok :) That's cool, as long as it's safe to ignore :) |
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| 12:31.52 | lo127 | stew, I haven't found any ether, so, if I was going to build one (using the default gcc and some flags?), where would I look for it? |
| 12:32.22 | hoohaah | hi guys, i have a script to find installed packages with files missing from system. I found /etc/network/if-post-down.d/wpasupplicant which appears to be a symlik to ../../wpa_supplicant/ifupdown.sh which doesn't appear to exist on my Squeeze system |
| 12:32.55 | stew | lo127: when you way "where would I look for it?" what do you mean by "it"? documentation? |
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| 12:33.12 | lo127 | stew, I'm missing something here |
| 12:33.13 | hoohaah | ah, nvm |
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| 12:33.57 | lo127 | stew, If I was to build my own toolchain, what would I build it frome? what source? |
| 12:34.04 | stew | lo127: gcc |
| 12:34.10 | stew | lo127: (for starters) |
| 12:34.41 | lo127 | so I would use the default gcc to build a cross gcc? |
| 12:34.53 | stew | yes |
| 12:35.08 | lo127 | staring to understand now :) |
| 12:35.24 | lo127 | then binutils? same procedure? |
| 12:36.20 | lo127 | basically I download the source of gcc, and then build it with my default gcc (with some flags) and end upp with a standalone powerpc cross compiler? |
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| 12:40.03 | cobra-the-joker | hey there guys ...what should i download to get a nice installation of debian ....CD 1 or DVD 1 ? |
| 12:40.35 | bolt-work | netinst |
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| 12:41.18 | cobra-the-joker | netinst ....but i have only a 256 KB bandwidth :( |
| 12:41.41 | abrotman | so? |
| 12:41.48 | avu | cobra-the-joker, and you have access to another connection to get the DVD image? |
| 12:42.05 | cobra-the-joker | i can get the DVD image |
| 12:42.08 | bolt-work | we should have a bluray image or something |
| 12:42.13 | avu | bolt-work, we do |
| 12:42.16 | bolt-work | oh |
| 12:42.19 | bolt-work | get that, joker :) |
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| 12:42.23 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: you avoided the quesiton .. are oyu going to download the DVD with the same 256kb connection? |
| 12:42.39 | cobra-the-joker | yes |
| 12:42.43 | abrotman | then use the netinst |
| 12:42.46 | bolt-work | ... |
| 12:42.49 | cobra-the-joker | i think i will have the ability to resume the installation |
| 12:42.57 | cobra-the-joker | in the DVD case |
| 12:43.06 | cobra-the-joker | i meen resume the download |
| 12:43.17 | bolt-work | cobra-the-joker: if you get the netinst, you wont have to |
| 12:43.37 | bolt-work | cobra-the-joker: get the netinst, then resume and cancel installation of everything else as much as you want |
| 12:43.43 | cobra-the-joker | so .... if the internet cuts....i will be able to resume my installation |
| 12:43.47 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
| 12:43.47 | bolt-work | yes |
| 12:43.52 | cobra-the-joker | thanx |
| 12:43.56 | bolt-work | apt-get will handle that for you |
| 12:44.06 | hoohaah | does mlocate use find to build it's database? |
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| 12:46.16 | cobra-the-joker | i have an ethernet broadcom LAN card .....will it be recognized ? |
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| 12:46.55 | stew | people should NOT join that channel, be warned! |
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| 12:47.01 | avu | ah yes, don't we all feel compelled to join there now. |
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| 12:47.22 | liable | but it sounds like they need us! |
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| 12:48.15 | avu | auto k-line on join is a bit mean though :) |
| 12:49.11 | liable | thats positively nasty |
| 12:49.42 | jair | hello all. I did an installation of lenny using expert mode and when I run the command "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" I do not get prompt to upgrade from linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 to linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 is this because I installed on expert mode or because I have an athlon xp 2500? |
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| 12:50.33 | jair | on all other lenny versions I have installed the kernel gets a prompt to be upgraded to the latest of it's version. But I am not sure if this is because I do not have an intel cpu |
| 12:50.39 | liable | jair: no, likely because the installer (whilst in expert mode) gave you the choice for a particular kernel. rather than the meta package |
| 12:51.43 | jair | liable: I think that is why. So since I am on expert mode install I will have to do the updates myself manually |
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| 12:51.54 | LuciusMare | hello |
| 12:51.56 | jair | liable: upgrades I mean |
| 12:52.01 | liable | jair: just install the meta package |
| 12:52.20 | LuciusMare | what gui archive manager do you recommend me? |
| 12:52.29 | LuciusMare | i mean,archive manager with gui |
| 12:52.42 | hoohaah | xarchiver? |
| 12:53.04 | jair | liable: how? also I know there is a command that lets you configure a new mirror source on "/etc/apt/sources.lst" without have to type yourself the whole mirror url on the sources.lst file right? |
| 12:53.11 | LuciusMare | hoohaah: thx |
| 12:53.20 | LuciusMare | and,how can i install svn? |
| 12:53.41 | liable | jair: linux-image-2.6-686 .. dunno about the mirror thing, not that i know of |
| 12:54.06 | khaije | is there a way to force screen to repaint the terminal? |
| 12:54.28 | liable | repaint or clear? |
| 12:54.36 | jair | liable: ohhhh, so if I install the metapackage "linux-image-2.6-686" kernel image without any release or update I will then get prompt for it? |
| 12:54.47 | liable | yes |
| 12:55.01 | jair | liable: but even if I am using an "athlon xp 2500" cpu? |
| 12:55.11 | liable | well, you have to update of course.. |
| 12:55.30 | jair | liable: I though that what I needed was a k7 version of linux image |
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| 12:55.36 | liable | jair: k7 kernels went the way of the dodo about a year ago |
| 12:55.43 | jair | hahahaha |
| 12:55.58 | themill | !k7 dropped |
| 12:55.59 | dpkg | i heard k7 dropped is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 Use the -686 kernel images instead. |
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| 12:56.06 | abrotman | yay! |
| 12:56.07 | LuciusMare | what do i have to install if iwant to use the svn command? |
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| 12:56.17 | jair | liable: so for my cpu 686 will work, even when they specify pentium/celeron/ blah blah |
| 12:56.19 | liable | LuciusMare: svn |
| 12:56.29 | themill | subversion |
| 12:56.37 | liable | jair: yes, see what dpkg said above, read the bug report |
| 12:56.38 | jair | liable: understaood |
| 12:56.47 | lo127 | I antecedently clicked that channel link above and got banned from freenode |
| 12:57.01 | jair | liable: got it, I missed the line now I understand and got it :) thank you |
| 12:57.32 | LuciusMare | liable: package svn not found |
| 12:57.50 | LuciusMare | thank you,themill |
| 12:57.53 | liable | LuciusMare: my bad, subversion as themill said above |
| 12:58.09 | Vegeku | at the end win rlz |
| 12:58.17 | abrotman | remember when liable used to know the answer to questions? |
| 12:58.27 | jair | liable: the metapackage did the work, right away I got the message that The following NEW packages will be installed: linux-image-2.6-686 linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 12:58.35 | liable | abrotman: its been years since i had to install it! |
| 12:59.12 | themill | It's like trying answer d-i questions... it's been two years since I actually did a fresh install so I just let them pass these days. |
| 12:59.19 | hoohaah | guys, i've a (maybe dumb) question, but if I were to use make-kpkg on upstream kernel sources, besides image and headers, is it also possible to build modules from module sources from debian repo? |
| 12:59.25 | liable | but your right, i am getting slack and rusty |
| 12:59.30 | abrotman | you're |
| 12:59.40 | liable | i did that just for you :) |
| 12:59.41 | abrotman | hoohaah: yes, read the man page |
| 12:59.54 | themill | abrotman: aren't we in a picky mood today?! |
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| 13:00.17 | hoohaah | abrotman: any significance attached to your name? |
| 13:00.21 | hoohaah | ab, rot, man? |
| 13:00.30 | jpinx | it's nice to have abrotman on form :) |
| 13:00.40 | liable | i bet his abs aint what they used to be! |
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| 13:00.42 | jair | liable: I will reboot with my new kernel and see how it goes, thank you for the help, you do know the answers still =) |
| 13:00.56 | ootput | agreed |
| 13:01.11 | Vegeku | jair: or you will switch to wdz |
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| 13:01.28 | jair | liable: abrotman is the one do not like to answer simple questions :P |
| 13:01.35 | jair | Vegeku: what is wdz? |
| 13:01.46 | Vegeku | windowz :p |
| 13:01.53 | jair | hahahaha windows, good joke |
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| 13:01.59 | abrotman | jair: sure i do |
| 13:02.23 | hoohaah | he may answer them, but not in the fashion you'd like ;) |
| 13:02.39 | jair | abrotman: alright how will be the quicker and more automated way to reconfigure my apt source.lst mirror on lenny |
| 13:02.57 | abrotman | netselect-apt ? |
| 13:02.58 | liable | good baiting |
| 13:03.07 | ootput | jair: nice precursor |
| 13:03.26 | jair | abrotman: I read about it =) but sounds like you need to add that extra package, correct? |
| 13:03.45 | Gliit | Hi, I got a lot of package that I can't install (with messages like : libxau-dev: Depends: libxau6 (= 1:1.0.3-3) but 1:1.0.4-2 is installed |
| 13:03.51 | jair | ootput: i do not understand what you mean? |
| 13:04.14 | abrotman | jair: i don't use it .. try reading the documentation |
| 13:04.14 | LuciusMare | i visited one page,and it told me,that if i want to download it,i have to use "svn checkout http...",but it it didnt download anything.and sorry for my noob question,i am pretty new in these things :) |
| 13:04.31 | jair | I need to restart the system to the new kernel and get ready to go to work =) I need to do a lot of vmware, linux vms work :P |
| 13:04.39 | jair | abrotman: =) ok |
| 13:04.59 | jair | thank you all |
| 13:04.59 | jair | have a great day |
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| 13:04.59 | abrotman | prefers his mirror selection method |
| 13:05.17 | LuciusMare | so,how can i use svn? |
| 13:05.17 | liable | i bet you have mirrors all over your house! |
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| 13:05.30 | ootput | great |
| 13:05.31 | liable | meh |
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| 13:05.35 | JonkoPA | hello |
| 13:05.35 | FathZippyZanny` | H !!! WE NEED MORE USERS JOIN ##FREESPEECH !!! WE NEED MORE USERS JOIN ##FREESPEECH !!! WE NEED MORE USERS JOIN ##FREESPEECH !!! WE NEED MORE USERS JOIN ##FREESPEECH !!! WE NEED MORE USERS JOIN ##FREESPEECH !!! WE NEED MORE USERS JOIN ##FREESPEECH !! |
| 13:05.45 | JonkoPA | how can I change my username info on the account? |
| 13:05.55 | asg | not going to get many users if you get k-lined for being a fuckwit |
| 13:06.11 | LuciusMare | +1 |
| 13:06.12 | Vegeku | ehy fathzipyzanny i don't understand the channel you want us to join!!! |
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| 13:06.33 | LuciusMare | does anybody know how to use svn? |
| 13:06.44 | creature_ | i didn't quite catch it yet |
| 13:06.47 | creature_ | maybe there will be more |
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| 13:06.49 | the-killer | Hello |
| 13:06.50 | the-killer | all |
| 13:06.54 | DustyDingo | LuciusMare: http://artis.imag.fr/~Xavier.Decoret/resources/svn/index.html |
| 13:06.57 | liable | LuciusMare: there are lots of svn tutorials available, ask google |
| 13:07.01 | the-killer | i can use the apache mpm worker on the debian 4 ? |
| 13:07.03 | themill | !subversion |
| 13:07.03 | dpkg | methinks subversion is a compelling replacement for <CVS>: adds atomic commits, file renaming/copying and a very tight network protocol. Read "Version Control with Subversion" online at http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ . http://subversion.tigris.org/ #svn @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:07.10 | asg | LuciusMare: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| 13:07.12 | Gliit | hhum noone knows how to put the bpackage back in order? |
| 13:07.17 | themill | LuciusMare: ^^ the red-bean book is excellent |
| 13:07.24 | LuciusMare | oh |
| 13:07.33 | LuciusMare | i just wanted to download a program :D |
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| 13:08.20 | themill | LuciusMare: probably something like "svn checkout http://path/to/repo" then |
| 13:08.33 | LuciusMare | themill: yes,but it didnt do anything |
| 13:08.34 | liable | LuciusMare: are you sure what you did previously failed? did you check if you have a new directory for the source? |
| 13:08.38 | themill | (change checkout to export if you know you're not going to be getting involved in development) |
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| 13:09.20 | LuciusMare | when i check out,it says "checked out revision ---" |
| 13:09.29 | LuciusMare | but still,dont know what to do next :) |
| 13:09.34 | themill | dpkg: tell Gliit about bat |
| 13:10.05 | liable | sounds like a broken svn repo rather than your error |
| 13:10.18 | themill | or the wrong URL |
| 13:10.22 | LuciusMare | why? |
| 13:10.29 | LuciusMare | checked out revision 123 |
| 13:10.49 | liable | LuciusMare: paste the entire output to a pastebin site |
| 13:11.28 | LuciusMare | Checked out revision 234. |
| 13:11.35 | LuciusMare | that is all it says |
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| 13:12.01 | liable | then you would have a dir with the source in it |
| 13:12.08 | LuciusMare | where? |
| 13:12.20 | themill | in the directory you ran the command |
| 13:12.27 | LuciusMare | weird |
| 13:12.30 | liable | in your current directory you ran the command |
| 13:12.39 | caraconan | Hi. Can be a problem to 'passwd www-data'? I need it for an experiment, but then I don't know if the access via 'svn co http://my_host/svn_repo' will fail. Any idea? |
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| 13:13.39 | caraconan | In other words: I'll have troubles if I set a password to www-data user? |
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| 13:13.56 | LuciusMare | hm,works after i set in different directory |
| 13:13.59 | nkuttler | caraconan: you could simply su as root |
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| 13:14.08 | LuciusMare | nevermind |
| 13:14.10 | macrobat | i'd like to change font in emacs. nothing happens when i shift+leftclick and choose font. emacs doesnt see the fonts i installed |
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| 13:16.20 | caraconan | <nkuttler> yes, I know, but I'm trying to 'svn co svn+ssh://my_host/absolute/path/svn_repo' instead 'svn co http://my_host/svn_repo' |
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| 13:17.44 | ramo102 | Hi all, yesterday I recompiled the kernel (2.6.26, testing) receiving no error. When I booted, it printed the message: "scsi_mod: module already loaded", then it stopped. What's the problem? |
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| 13:20.09 | nkuttler | caraconan: man 5 passwd |
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| 13:21.18 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps need some firewall help |
| 13:21.37 | bbelt16ag | I installed firestarter, and for sme reason bittorrent stopped working. |
| 13:21.50 | LuciusMare|afk | is it dangerous to always run ssh server? |
| 13:21.54 | liable | funny that |
| 13:22.08 | bbelt16ag | I opened the proper ports, even opened some for my transmission daemon to connect o client |
| 13:22.10 | hoohaah | say i wanted to use fakeroot with make-kpkg modules_image, what permission should /usr/src/modules be? |
| 13:22.12 | bbelt16ag | no, |
| 13:22.13 | liable | LuciusMare|afk: not if you configure it properly |
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| 13:22.39 | hoohaah | I get the error: /bin/sh: line 1: /usr/src/modules/fglrx/debian/control: Permission denied |
| 13:22.53 | bbelt16ag | seems like everytime I try to use on my server, I get locked out, or a service stops working. |
| 13:23.22 | bbelt16ag | I added in my ports to open up and it seems to open them up. |
| 13:23.22 | LuciusMare|afk | liable: and so? |
| 13:23.40 | LuciusMare|afk | how can i configure it properly? |
| 13:25.03 | LuciusMare|afk | i use sshd |
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| 13:26.59 | Arafangion | Hey, does anyone have experience with festival? I need to find out if it is capable of synthesising speech very fast, on a word-by-word basis. |
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| 13:27.11 | Arafangion | (ie, type one word, have it speak and you type another word, speaking the words as fast as you type) |
| 13:27.20 | liable | LuciusMare|afk: have a google around. there are various different trains of thought for server security. not allowing root login, and only key auth is a good start |
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| 13:29.19 | LuciusMare|afk | liable: key auth means that only people with key can connect to me? |
| 13:29.29 | Aberration | I got a silly silly question : how can I manually adjust the cpu speed with the gnome applet? |
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| 13:30.13 | don_mart1no | hi! i'm having trouble with mailman. the frontend generates faulty links. instead of https://myvirtualserver/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/mailman/<stuff> it generates http://anothervirtualserver/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/mailman/<stuff>. the funny thing is that i host theorthervirtualserver.info but mailman generates theothervirtualserver.org which does not exist on my system at all. even grep -R theothervirtualserver.info /etc* returns nothing. can anybody |
| 13:30.34 | liable | LuciusMare: yes, if you configure it so. |
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| 13:32.11 | LuciusMare | liable: that is neat |
| 13:32.13 | themill | don_mart1no: these are configured within the list itself not in /etc. One of the mailman scripts will allow you to change it... just don't ask me which one off the top of my head! (but google will know) |
| 13:32.34 | LuciusMare | liable: but it means that people that get file with my key can access,or not? |
| 13:32.57 | liable | LuciusMare: keys also have passphrases |
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| 13:33.11 | nkuttler | don_mart1no: you might need to change the web host |
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| 13:34.09 | LuciusMare | liable: thank you |
| 13:34.17 | nkuttler | don_mart1no: see host_name in the admin backend |
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| 13:34.20 | LuciusMare | thank you all,g2g,bye |
| 13:34.27 | nan8 | Arafangion: depends on the performance of your system |
| 13:34.36 | nan8 | Arafangion: today - shouldn't be a problem |
| 13:34.51 | Arafangion | nan8: I figured as much. Hmm, nice. |
| 13:34.53 | bbelt16ag | I guess I can live dangerously and not have a firewall |
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| 13:35.12 | don_mart1no | themill: google found the problem. let's see the solutions :-) |
| 13:35.16 | nan8 | Arafangion: you might wish to try emacspeak |
| 13:35.22 | don_mart1no | nkuttler: i cant use the admin backend |
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| 13:36.20 | Arafangion | nan8: Not related to emacs? :) |
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| 13:37.51 | themill | don_mart1no: take a look at /usr/lib/mailman/bin/fix_url.py; bin/withlist -l -r fix_url listname [options] |
| 13:38.17 | nkuttler | don_mart1no: where option -u domain.com |
| 13:38.31 | nan8 | Arafangion: well it is related - see also eflite |
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| 13:39.52 | nan8 | Arafangion: and afair espeak was nice, too |
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| 13:40.57 | Arafangion | nan8: espeak apparently does not do it as you type. |
| 13:41.07 | Arafangion | nan8: It's a very particular requirement. |
| 13:42.06 | don_mart1no | themill, nkuttler: now it works. thanks. google told me why and where i messed up, too :)+ |
| 13:42.16 | themill | :) |
| 13:42.40 | Arafangion | nan8: Anyway, thanks for your help, I'll be off... Looks like I might have to implement a custom application (perhaps using flite) if I find time. |
| 13:42.48 | nkuttler | don_mart1no: yeah, nasty problem that i had to fix too sometimes in the past.. |
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| 13:44.05 | nan8 | Arafangion: well it isn't that difficult to implement "read as you type" using something like espeak (depending on what exactly you mean by that) - but thats why i suggested emacspeak |
| 13:44.36 | Arafangion | It does read as you type? |
| 13:44.42 | nan8 | Arafangion: for some more suggestions: apt-cache search screen reader |
| 13:44.58 | Arafangion | nan8: Thanks. |
| 13:45.14 | Arafangion | nan8: I must head off now, but I'll do the apt thing, don't know why I didn't automatically think of that. |
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| 13:48.17 | nan8 | Arafangion: cu |
| 13:48.28 | yareckon | hi guys, do different arch's have different package maintainers? |
| 13:48.46 | yareckon | for same package that is |
| 13:48.53 | azeem | yareckon: not really |
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| 13:53.29 | poisonbit | if I've more than one "gateway" line in diferent interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:53.42 | poisonbit | what is the "debian" way to dfine the default |
| 13:53.52 | poisonbit | a post-up hook ? |
| 13:54.01 | the-killer | hello all |
| 13:54.02 | poisonbit | or there is another way ? |
| 13:54.09 | poisonbit | jello the-killer |
| 13:54.10 | the-killer | who can help me to fix this error |
| 13:54.10 | the-killer | /usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 78: 7789 File size limit exceeded$HTTPD -k $ARGV |
| 13:54.16 | the-killer | i cant start apache :s |
| 13:54.35 | poisonbit | do you rotate your logs ? |
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| 13:56.00 | poisonbit | the-killer, if you've your own CustomLog or ErrorLog directives, be carefull to include the paths in the logrotate config |
| 13:56.21 | poisonbit | or use cronolog or vlogger |
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| 13:57.07 | busbus | hi there |
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| 13:57.37 | Blah78 | Hi, anybody knows an alternative to bblaunch? I need to launch an app in a different workspace, non-interactively using a script. |
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| 14:00.15 | mamalujo | hi! |
| 14:00.22 | yareckon | hi there |
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| 14:01.13 | binrapt | Hmm what should I use to run a DNS on Lenny? |
| 14:01.14 | the-killer | poisonbit : i didnt understand ? |
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| 14:01.38 | Mylestro | Hi, i want to allow a low prov user to modify the webserver, so edit files in /var/www, whats the best way of doing that without giving to much permissions? |
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| 14:02.18 | liable | binrapt: yes, see update-initramfs man page, i think -q is the switch you want, not sure though |
| 14:02.43 | binrapt | I used to run tinydns on etch but maybe that one is actually too complicated |
| 14:03.20 | mamalujo | Today, not having done any apparent changes, Im having a lot of trouble with a FUSE system. Using mhddfs , probably imprudently for /home (seemed like an elegant idea at the time, will probably change it seeing how its unreliable). While this worked fine, today it started giving error "cannot open directory : Transport endpoint is not connected" after some time working on it. umount -l then mount fixes it, but then it crashes again, and se |
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| 14:07.21 | aryah | sry, it happened again, didn't see anything after writing my question.. |
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| 14:07.33 | aryah | . |
| 14:07.37 | amphi | ˙ |
| 14:07.48 | liable | ! |
| 14:07.49 | aryah | was mamalujo |
| 14:08.23 | liable | hmm, does that involve breasts? |
| 14:08.33 | aryah | so, any ideas as to the possible causes to that error? I must resolve it quickly, the system is unusable |
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| 14:11.22 | sylar | which backup program is best? |
| 14:11.33 | azeem | sylar: depends |
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| 14:11.49 | sylar | k |
| 14:11.55 | sylar | on what? |
| 14:12.02 | asg | your requirements |
| 14:12.04 | liable | your needs |
| 14:12.20 | sylar | i need to backup stuff |
| 14:12.26 | liable | haha |
| 14:12.30 | sylar | ;) |
| 14:12.39 | amphi | stuff, eh? |
| 14:12.44 | sylar | yup |
| 14:12.46 | abrotman | well .. he could just use cp |
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| 14:12.54 | abrotman | vague requirements .. vague answers |
| 14:13.03 | asg | abrotman: or write down the bitstream on lots of paper |
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| 14:13.28 | abrotman | print out all the files! |
| 14:13.41 | sylar | yes I guess i could do cron job that cp to /backups/date/time |
| 14:14.13 | sylar | but dont we all know what best means? |
| 14:14.18 | abrotman | sylar: tried 'apt-cache search backup' yet? |
| 14:14.25 | sylar | yup |
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| 14:14.34 | abrotman | sylar: we don't konw what's "best" for *you* .. you haven't told us anything yet |
| 14:14.37 | sylar | lots of results |
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| 14:14.52 | liable | sylar: theres a reasonably large amount of scripts/programs that do it. how we should know the one that serves you best is anyones guess |
| 14:15.01 | turneralex | Heyyy I'm trying to install slapd on my debian unit, and i've set the domain as ldap.ausfi.net which resolves as the ldap server though when i run ldapsearch -x - b dc=ldap,dc=ausfi,dc=net i get a couldnt connect. any ideas?? |
| 14:15.23 | sylar | k abrotman best in backups is a combo of ease of use, and space efficiency |
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| 14:15.42 | asg | sylar: look at duplicity then |
| 14:16.00 | sylar | k |
| 14:16.42 | abrotman | sylar: yeah .. you should use windows |
| 14:16.57 | liable | nasty |
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| 14:17.14 | sylar | abrotman, ntbackup? |
| 14:18.18 | themill | sylar: /msg dpkg rsnapshot ; /msg dpkg rdiff-backup |
| 14:18.55 | sylar | asg, duplicity has encryption which is redundant/risky for me |
| 14:19.11 | asg | sylar: you don't have to use it |
| 14:19.20 | abrotman | see .. that's why people asked for requirements .. |
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| 14:19.38 | jelly | sylar: no, best in backups is "one you can recover your data from" |
| 14:19.39 | abrotman | maybe everyone should just let him read through the descriptions and then ask about a specific one |
| 14:19.43 | turneralex | anyone :( |
| 14:19.44 | sylar | themill, I know of these, i am wondering if there are better |
| 14:20.15 | sylar | jelly, good point |
| 14:20.26 | abrotman | turneralex: you didn't offer a user ? |
| 14:20.35 | abrotman | turneralex: there is also #ldap |
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| 14:20.46 | sylar | jelly, I consider that part of ease ofuse |
| 14:20.51 | liable | sylar: try a few, they're all free! |
| 14:21.00 | turneralex | abrotman: thanks mate |
| 14:21.09 | sylar | liable, but my disk space isnt free |
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| 14:21.45 | abrotman | sylar: go read about a few .. then ask about specific ones .. having us guess at your requirements is stupid |
| 14:21.46 | liable | sylar: jeez, you want debian to give you disk space too? |
| 14:21.54 | themill | sylar: they're quite different. Read about them and decide which you want |
| 14:22.07 | sylar | well... I guess I can try and then decide liable |
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| 14:22.35 | sylar | k |
| 14:22.45 | poisonbit | how do I add "quiet" option in grub2 ? |
| 14:23.14 | liable | then write a page saying why you liked what you did. will help the next person. |
| 14:23.27 | sylar | mind a survy? |
| 14:23.36 | sylar | what do u use? |
| 14:23.41 | themill | sylar: it depends on the sorts of things that you're backing up too. If you make a small change to a large file, rdiff-backup stores only the change but rsnapshot stores the entire file again. On the flip side, every single backup looks like a full backup with rsnapshot which makes life easier for finding and restoring. |
| 14:23.47 | themill | dpkg: tell sylar about bad polls |
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| 14:24.24 | liable | i dont need no stinkeeen backups |
| 14:24.42 | themill | !tape backups |
| 14:24.43 | dpkg | "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" -- Linus Torvalds |
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| 14:26.28 | liable | waits for his laptop drive to die, then he will moan like an unpaid whore ;) |
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| 14:27.57 | poisonbit | the answer to my question -> /etc/default/grub (edit GRUB_CMDLINE_LINE) and then update-grub |
| 14:28.21 | sylar | how about bacula and amanda? |
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| 14:28.24 | poisonbit | sorry GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX |
| 14:29.05 | SQlvpapir | !dpkg grub |
| 14:29.05 | dpkg | [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader. It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub . For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
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| 14:29.27 | SQlvpapir | !dpkg grub2 |
| 14:29.27 | dpkg | GNU GRUB version 2 is the successor to GRUB Legacy (i.e. GRUB version 0.9x). In development, not recommended for production systems, little documentation at present. Packaged as grub-pc (PC/BIOS version) and grub-ieee1275 (OpenFirmware version). http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2.en.html. Command list comparison: http://grub.enbug.org/CommandList . See also http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition #grub on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 14:30.47 | poisonbit | thanks for the info SQlvpapir |
| 14:31.48 | thrashold | Is there a quick way to change the version of a deb file? I just build 6-7 packages, and my script made a typo during building, I don't want to rebuild them all. |
| 14:32.47 | SQlvpapir | poisonbit: actually it was for me as I fail to find menu.lst |
| 14:32.47 | poisonbit | i think that the most recomendable option is a clean build without typos... but don't trust me, i don't know a lot about packaging |
| 14:33.19 | poisonbit | SQlvpapir, i was typing about grub to... :) |
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| 14:34.05 | thrashold | Well, I thought about installing the debs, and editing the versions in /var/lib/dpkg afterwards, while waiting for the new ones to rebuild. |
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| 14:34.25 | nevyn | has mktemp been migrated into coreutils or something? |
| 14:34.46 | thrashold | I have the same issue. Is it safe to say 'Yes, do as I say!' ? |
| 14:35.17 | themill | refrains from btssmiting nevyn and thrashold |
| 14:35.24 | nevyn | ok... |
| 14:35.27 | nevyn | fairr call |
| 14:35.31 | themill | !dbugs 531846 |
| 14:35.35 | dpkg | DONE:#531846:S[coreutils] coreutils: Upgrading to 7.4-1 makes apt-get ask for 'Yes, do as I say!' because of mktemp (); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:45:02 UTC [] |
| 14:35.39 | poisonbit | nevyn, in lenny is a package |
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| 14:36.00 | poisonbit | how to add more than one IP to an iface, without using interface aliases ? post-up ip addr add IP dev IFACE ? or there is other debian way? |
| 14:36.39 | nevyn | poisonbit: so you don't want to use eth0:0? |
| 14:36.50 | poisonbit | nevyn, i want to avoid aliases yes |
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| 14:38.04 | nevyn | poisonbit: why? |
| 14:38.04 | anddam | hi |
| 14:38.04 | poisonbit | because of tc |
| 14:38.05 | poisonbit | traffic control |
| 14:38.05 | nevyn | poisonbit: ah.. |
| 14:38.05 | anddam | in order to set my terminal font I edit .Xdefaults, is there a more "proper" way in debian that I'm not aware of? |
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| 14:39.35 | colblood | i get a problem with php www sites, it wants to download the .php rather than showing it, any ideas? |
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| 14:39.52 | Oleg_ | How do I check on my Debian distro what version of libsigc is installed? |
| 14:39.56 | liable | !why does php want to download still |
| 14:39.57 | JPT | is php installed and integrated within the webserver (module/fastcgi) |
| 14:40.09 | liable | bah |
| 14:40.20 | JPT | does your webserver know about how to handle .php and .phps files? (config) |
| 14:40.25 | nevyn | poisonbit: a post-up thing like you suggest seems sane. |
| 14:40.29 | nevyn | to me at least |
| 14:40.31 | anddam | JPT: I don't think he actually has a webserver |
| 14:40.46 | asg | !php wants me to download |
| 14:40.46 | dpkg | Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verified that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload (Apache 1.x). |
| 14:40.51 | JPT | with webserver i mean: apache / apache2 / nginx / lighttpd/... |
| 14:40.51 | anddam | colblood: can you explain further what problem you're encountering? |
| 14:40.59 | colblood | JPT: not sure, i reinstalled recently, so i might have forgotten something |
| 14:41.30 | colblood | dunno how i can explain it further, if i access an html it's fine, if i access a php, the browser wants to download it rather than open it |
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| 14:41.57 | JPT | okay... so first, you should check whether php is loaded as a module or cgi-stuff... |
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| 14:42.37 | anddam | colblood: and what's the server btw |
| 14:42.49 | colblood | it's a debian server |
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| 14:42.53 | colblood | lenny |
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| 14:42.58 | nan8 | Oleg_: dpkg -l "*sigc*" |
| 14:42.58 | JPT | apache? |
| 14:43.03 | colblood | yeah, apache2 |
| 14:43.26 | arvind_khadri | Oleg_, apt-cache policy <package name> |
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| 14:43.35 | JPT | okay... check if php*.load and php*.conf is in /etc/apache2/mods-available |
| 14:43.35 | anddam | colblood: did you had a look at httpd.conf to check if php module is loaded? |
| 14:43.36 | Oleg_ | ok, thanks |
| 14:43.44 | colblood | alrite, thx |
| 14:44.06 | fsdh | Hi. I have two directories, one a full backup of my hdd, one an incremental backup done using rsync and --link-dest. du -sh obviously shows (almost) the same size for both directories as the incremental-backup is full of hardlinks. How do I figure out how much actual additional space the incremental backup takes though? |
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| 14:44.49 | colblood | anddam: which file should i look at? |
| 14:45.16 | anddam | httpd.conf that should actually load modules subdirs as JPT pointed out |
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| 14:46.58 | colblood | JPT / anddam : AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 in php5.conf |
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| 14:47.04 | JPT | okay... |
| 14:47.10 | JPT | so this should be working fine.. |
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| 14:47.33 | colblood | LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so in php5.load |
| 14:47.40 | anddam | colblood: can you paste the headers you get when saving a .php file? |
| 14:47.43 | colblood | maybe it isnt running? |
| 14:47.46 | anddam | _pastebin_ |
| 14:47.54 | colblood | headers? |
| 14:48.02 | JPT | you can restart apache2 (/etc/init.d/apache2 restart) and try.. |
| 14:48.02 | anddam | colblood: do you know how HTTP works? |
| 14:48.04 | hark | colblood: clear your browser cache and restart the browser |
| 14:48.14 | anddam | anyway I'm afk |
| 14:48.23 | colblood | Hark: i've tried 3 different browsers on two different systems |
| 14:48.30 | colblood | the browser isnt the issue i think |
| 14:48.43 | colblood | if you're off, what good would that do me anddam? ;) |
| 14:49.19 | JPT | mhh |
| 14:49.32 | JPT | so browser caching is fine... |
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| 14:49.52 | JPT | how about the php-file you're calling? |
| 14:50.02 | jamon | colblood: i've seen that before in this very channel, don't recally the solution |
| 14:50.03 | colblood | they've worked before i re-installed |
| 14:50.05 | JPT | mhh.. |
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| 14:50.17 | JPT | how about a simple <?php phpinfo(); ?> ? |
| 14:50.20 | jamon | but colblood if you search the logs you'll find it, |
| 14:50.29 | jamon | a reboot will work, but isn't ideal colblood |
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| 14:50.35 | JPT | reboot? |
| 14:50.38 | colblood | no, a reboot wont work |
| 14:50.38 | JPT | Oo |
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| 14:51.13 | jamon | colblood: well do yourself the favour of searching the irc logs of #debian on freenode for it |
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| 14:51.42 | asg | colblood: /msg dpkg php wants me to download |
| 14:51.42 | colblood | i think i wont do myself a favor going thru millions of text |
| 14:51.48 | colblood | somebody gotta know |
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| 14:52.21 | ajavid | I woke up |
| 14:52.42 | colblood | i wont need php5-mysql, do i? |
| 14:52.49 | Oleg_ | this is really weird. it looks like this Debian distro has only gcc installed, but doesn't have g++ installed |
| 14:52.53 | ajavid | if you want to use pdo_mysql sure |
| 14:52.57 | JPT | php5 should be enough |
| 14:53.00 | asg | Oleg_: install build-essential |
| 14:53.01 | colblood | ok, |
| 14:53.05 | ajavid | so you need to use a db? |
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| 14:53.15 | ajavid | if you need php to talk to mysql only then will you requried this pcakge |
| 14:53.28 | JPT | a missing php5-mysql module would cause errors |
| 14:53.31 | JPT | but not a download |
| 14:53.49 | colblood | i found out the problem... embarassing to say the least |
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| 14:53.57 | colblood | i hadnt restarted apache after installing php5 |
| 14:54.04 | JPT | well |
| 14:54.07 | ajavid | colblood, you were told to do that! |
| 14:54.09 | JPT | xD |
| 14:54.11 | ajavid | pay more attention |
| 14:54.17 | colblood | missed it in all text |
| 14:54.20 | ajavid | 09:51 Ignorance List: |
| 14:54.21 | ajavid | 09:51 1 *: CRAP JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS NICKS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS |
| 14:54.24 | ajavid | try tihs |
| 14:54.28 | ajavid | I don't miss a thing |
| 14:54.30 | ajavid | EVER. |
| 14:54.50 | colblood | right |
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| 14:55.21 | JPT | hehe... i know how i'm going to answer to problems first... xD |
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| 14:55.35 | JPT | "Restart it. if the problem is still existing then, contact me again" |
| 14:55.36 | JPT | :-D |
| 14:55.38 | abrotman | you have to clear the browser cache and kill *every* instance of the browser |
| 14:55.45 | colblood | hmm, where's the php gd2 package called? |
| 14:55.54 | colblood | abrotman: yeah, but that wasnt the issue |
| 14:55.59 | asg | colblood: apt-cache search php gd |
| 14:56.06 | colblood | i did |
| 14:56.06 | JPT | :/etc/php5/.../conf.d |
| 14:56.09 | colblood | returned zero zip nada |
| 14:56.17 | colblood | ah |
| 14:56.18 | petemc | you must be doing it wrong |
| 14:56.20 | colblood | i had gd2 |
| 14:56.22 | colblood | my bad |
| 14:56.23 | ajavid | its there |
| 14:56.25 | abrotman | !enter |
| 14:56.25 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 14:56.28 | ajavid | man! wake up!!! |
| 14:56.36 | ajavid | seriously :) |
| 14:57.09 | colblood | calm down dude |
| 14:57.09 | ajavid | !coffee colblood |
| 14:57.09 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of Jamaican Blue Mountain for colblood, courtesy of ajavid |
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| 14:58.17 | colblood | everything seems to be running fine now |
| 14:59.01 | gangsterlicious | for v in `ls /mnt/extra_space2/lim07`;do tar cfz - -C /mnt/extra_space2/lim07 $v |split --bytes=500m - ./$v. &done |
| 14:59.15 | gangsterlicious | oops, wrong paste window |
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| 14:59.31 | MegafEee | G`day |
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| 15:05.13 | ajavid | green |
| 15:05.16 | ajavid | doh |
| 15:05.47 | mamalujo | k, now the setup is not so ridiculously unstable, so let me try asking again - up to yesterday, with no known changes on that day, mdh |
| 15:06.06 | ajavid | mamalujo, com eagain |
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| 15:07.27 | mamalujo | sry, .. mhddfs worked fine. now (or at leas few times today) teh FUSE mounted directory becomes inaccesible with the error, if I remember correctly "connection point not accesible" (sec, will check). |
| 15:08.39 | MegafEee | hi, what is the best solution to get boot splash? |
| 15:09.03 | blouf_ | getting boot splash |
| 15:09.10 | JPT | hehe |
| 15:09.18 | JPT | i think the easiest solution is wanted |
| 15:09.30 | mamalujo | more precisely, "transport endpoint is not connected" |
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| 15:10.04 | Posterdati | hi |
| 15:10.31 | Posterdati | please I need help for X11 on ultra 10 (sparc): no X11 at all, launching startx ending in machine freeze. |
| 15:10.32 | mamalujo | I saw that error with the smbnetfs before ... but these are three local partitions, how could they be inaccessible to fuse? |
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| 15:13.24 | lord_rob | Hi ! I want to upgrade Sid and the new version of coreutils wants to remove mktemp which is an essential package. Should I let it remove it or not upgrade coreutils now ? |
| 15:15.07 | pickcoder | is there a decent HCL for Debian regarding SAS controllers? |
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| 15:18.31 | Imo | hello, i want install sogo on debian ? |
| 15:18.42 | lord_rob | forget what I asked, it's been fixed in sid |
| 15:18.44 | Imo | but i dont know how ;) ? |
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| 15:19.49 | MegafEee | wow, ive got splash xP |
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| 15:28.23 | fafnir0 | Hello, what am I doing wrong when the KDE4 "lock/logout" widget does not show the red/green icons in the panel, but uses a generic "computer" icon? |
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| 15:30.34 | poisonbit | outch, openvpn depending on python... shit on my firewall... |
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| 15:35.12 | poisonbit | it's not cool to depend a pure bytecode service like openvpn, depending on python, just by a hackiest "blacklist" script |
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| 15:37.58 | poisonbit | snakes on my fw... i was happy before that :.( |
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| 15:41.32 | mrfree | hi all |
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| 15:42.02 | kdasdasf | hi i have a task running under my username called ,,deliver'' which causes high load |
| 15:42.08 | kdasdasf | does somebody know what this is? |
| 15:42.16 | mrfree | I've hust added "kirya" unofficial repo but after an aptitude update the packages in it doesn't appears in the list |
| 15:42.17 | kdasdasf | i think it has to do something with email |
| 15:42.21 | petemc | dovecot? |
| 15:42.39 | kdasdasf | petemc could be possible but i'm not logged into imap |
| 15:43.00 | pickcoder | I need a PCI-E SAS controller that won't crap out on me |
| 15:43.04 | kdasdasf | how is it possible that an imap deamon causes high load without me being logged in |
| 15:43.22 | pickcoder | and that is supported in the Lenny kernel |
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| 15:45.22 | Computer | is it safe to add the ubuntu universe repository to debian's sources list? |
| 15:45.29 | poisonbit | mrfree, which distro (lenny, testing, etc) and which package ? |
| 15:45.37 | poisonbit | Computer, no |
| 15:45.48 | mrfree | poisonbit, lenny I'm interested in php-mdb2 package |
| 15:45.49 | kdasdasf | how can i send somebody ho is logged into the same debian system a message on his terminal? |
| 15:46.01 | abrotman | Computer: and why would you? |
| 15:46.08 | poisonbit | mrfree, see http://packages.kirya.net/debian/dists/lenny/Contents-i386 it seems it is not here |
| 15:46.27 | poisonbit | kdasdasf, wall, write, etc |
| 15:46.31 | mrfree | usr/share/doc/php-mdb2/changelog.Debian.gz web/php-mdb2 |
| 15:46.38 | kdasdasf | ah |
| 15:46.41 | kdasdasf | thx poisonbit |
| 15:46.44 | mrfree | poisonbit, it's in there |
| 15:46.54 | mrfree | web/php-mdb2 |
| 15:46.57 | maligor | Computer, I've installed some ubuntu packages in debian but in many cases it's a hack job and don't do it unless you really know what you're doing ;) |
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| 15:47.14 | maligor | adding the repositories would probably really screw up the system too |
| 15:47.15 | poisonbit | mrfree, o yes, i see, sorry |
| 15:47.24 | pickcoder | maligor: probably? |
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| 15:47.35 | mrfree | poisonbit, but for example roundcube doesn't appears too... |
| 15:48.24 | tombs | hi all, I'm a little lost to make my wireless card authenticate with the ap. could someone please tell me if I need wpasupplicant & hostapd or only one of them? please |
| 15:48.26 | pickcoder | roundcube has not been packaged afaik |
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| 15:49.36 | pickcoder | geez it's like digging for a coin in the sand to find compat info on recent controllers |
| 15:50.07 | mrfree | poisonbit, mhhh using apt-get instead of aptitude reveal an error... Unable to find expected entry main/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file |
| 15:50.40 | mrfree | he/she only relase for i386 |
| 15:50.54 | mrfree | I think I need to compile the package from source ;) |
| 15:51.51 | poisonbit | php doesn't need that you compile it :) |
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| 15:58.47 | Sabrinchen | hey |
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| 15:59.08 | Sabrinchen | is there a openvz image with ispcp??? |
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| 16:00.56 | poisonbit | why /etc/init.d/if-up.d/mountnfs is in the initscripts (installed in base)... i don't understand |
| 16:01.53 | jimpy | Hia potentially a bit of a nub question. I have a server with multiple IP's on a single interface all looking in to the same network. How do i nominate one of those addresses to be the default source address for al new outgoing connections |
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| 16:02.25 | poisonbit | now i have a firewall crying for nfs if a interface hasn't IP when i haven't nfs packages... and some python snakes because a crazy blacklist script in the openvpn package |
| 16:02.30 | creature_ | mmaybe the kernel routing table? |
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| 16:03.06 | nan8 | poisonbit: depending on what exactly you don't understand this might be stupid: nfs mounts typically depend on the network being available => mount after interface is up |
| 16:03.25 | jimpy | and how would i do that give the primary interface a lower metric? |
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| 16:03.41 | poisonbit | nan8, it should be pretty logical... if i had any *nfs* package |
| 16:03.49 | poisonbit | jimpy, man ip |
| 16:03.53 | jimpy | k |
| 16:04.18 | octo_ | What are some reasons I can tell my wife that buying stuff online is not less secure in debian that in crapows ? |
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| 16:06.22 | ranix | octo_: stuff the MS bashing, it's old already |
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| 16:06.36 | jimpy | correct me if im wrong please 'ip route add src w.x.y.z' |
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| 16:07.11 | Yancho | hi anyone managed to install sucessfuly jinzora on a debian server please? |
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| 16:13.52 | person2 | Hey |
| 16:13.56 | ray66 | Where do I find the nVidia card version in Lenny |
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| 16:14.28 | poisonbit | ray66, aptitude install pciutils && lspci |
| 16:14.34 | person2 | How do I find out what versions of packages are available? |
| 16:15.02 | poisonbit | ray66, or aptitude install lshw && lshw | more |
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| 16:15.24 | Phasy13 | I did "sudo apt-get install g++" and it said that it will install make too |
| 16:15.34 | Phasy13 | but there is no make command in my system |
| 16:15.49 | person2 | Because on packages.debian.org it mentions ' xserver-xorg-video-intel (2:2.7.1-1 and others)' but it doesn't say what other versions there are |
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| 16:16.47 | ray66 | poisonbit>>Thanks |
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| 16:17.13 | misreckoning | hi, I've some old machine with 256 MB (it is some Celeron 2GHz though) and I'd like to install Linux on it, but none of the distros I tried didn't work (Ubuntu 9.04, 8.10 not even SUSE 9.1 - this one actually got installed but didn't work after, the first two couldn't even initialize the installation)... |
| 16:17.28 | misreckoning | is there some debian flavor designed for weaker/older computers? |
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| 16:17.48 | misreckoning | I heard that newer installers can't fit the kernel in 256 MB |
| 16:18.07 | misreckoning | (kernel & stuff, for example Ubuntu loads the whole GNOME during install) |
| 16:18.09 | jimpy | thanks guys that works now. not used the IP command before exciting stuff! |
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| 16:18.32 | poisonbit | jimpy, it's really cool :) |
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| 16:18.46 | cabrey | misreckoning, you might want to try something like xfce |
| 16:19.07 | poisonbit | misreckoning, debian *works* on 256M of ram |
| 16:19.09 | misreckoning | cabrey, hey, anything - I can't even start the installation well sometimes |
| 16:19.31 | misreckoning | so any debian should work? then I'll try with regular stable |
| 16:19.35 | misreckoning | going to download... |
| 16:19.36 | poisonbit | misreckoning, you can launch the installer with less ram to |
| 16:20.01 | Yancho | misreckoning i installed my debian 2 weeks ago - running fine since then . 128 ram |
| 16:20.33 | poisonbit | misreckoning, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en |
| 16:21.00 | person2 | How can I find what versions of a package there are in the repo? |
| 16:21.10 | poisonbit | xorg 7.* + firefox + flash ... of course... it will swap a lot :) |
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| 16:21.33 | poisonbit | person2, http://packages.debian.org ? |
| 16:21.36 | misreckoning | poisonbit: hm, nice, dunno why Ubuntu got frozen during install, maybe some hardware incompatability |
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| 16:21.51 | poisonbit | may be |
| 16:22.04 | person2 | poisonbit: So if there's only one version listed there there's only one version available? |
| 16:22.20 | misreckoning | OK I see there is some xfce+lxde version, I'll give it a shot |
| 16:22.32 | poisonbit | person2, if you use debian oficial mirrors, yes |
| 16:22.35 | person2 | poisonbit: I'm trying to get an older version of http://packages.debian.org/lenny/xserver-xorg-video-intel - maybe I'll have to get it from EtchNHalf? |
| 16:22.51 | poisonbit | there was an archive url for that |
| 16:22.54 | misreckoning | debian ftw, thank you all, bye |
| 16:22.57 | poisonbit | but i don't remember |
| 16:23.20 | person2 | poisonbit: Will downgrading intel-xorg-video-intel to the version in EtchNHalf cause dependency hell? |
| 16:23.26 | poisonbit | person2, try http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 16:24.14 | person2 | poisonbit: Thanks |
| 16:24.23 | poisonbit | person2, wath do you want to do exactly ? |
| 16:24.28 | poisonbit | do you have etch ? |
| 16:24.51 | person2 | poisonbit: My friend's video card seems to be performing poorly so I'm trying different versions |
| 16:24.58 | person2 | poisonbit: No; he has Lenny |
| 16:25.14 | poisonbit | if it's etch or etchanalf, you should fix your sources to point to "old-stable" |
| 16:25.16 | poisonbit | a ok |
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| 16:25.18 | person2 | poisonbit: I've heard of bad performance with certain versions of the intel drivers |
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| 16:26.19 | poisonbit | it's supposed that bugs are fixed and you've to go up... but... "it is supposed" :) |
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| 16:26.46 | person2 | poisonbit: Well, I thought you could go down as well. |
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| 16:27.16 | person2 | poisonbit: Not sure... I mean if I upgrade, then it starts installing new versions of basic stuff |
| 16:27.36 | person2 | Probably in Base or Required or something, whatever we call them :P |
| 16:28.03 | poisonbit | downgrade is a pain... i've never do a "downgrade" and also i don't know how to do it |
| 16:28.47 | person2 | I do |
| 16:28.55 | person2 | I think I do, anyway :P |
| 16:29.11 | person2 | Maybe I should just tell him to be patient or switch him to a different distro. |
| 16:29.26 | poisonbit | which intel card is ? |
| 16:29.33 | person2 | 915M or something |
| 16:30.00 | poisonbit | you can't expect a wonderfull aceleration from that... just basic things |
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| 16:30.08 | poisonbit | on *any* distro |
| 16:30.22 | person2 | poisonbit: Well, it played Battlefield Vietnam on Windows. |
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| 16:30.26 | poisonbit | how many fps does it get at full screen ? |
| 16:30.35 | person2 | I don't know - how would I check? |
| 16:30.56 | poisonbit | apt-get install mesa-utils and then launch glxgears as normal user |
| 16:31.28 | person2 | Thanks |
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| 16:32.07 | person2 | Also, people always say apt-get install - aren't we meant to use aptitude these days so it deals with Suggests? |
| 16:32.16 | poisonbit | I've that chipset on a laptop... and... trustme... it's not good for intensive 3d work, just basic tasks (like compiz, etc) |
| 16:32.34 | person2 | Well, even flash is being jumpy apparently |
| 16:32.58 | person2 | Also, maybe that's because of bad old drivers? I don't know :P |
| 16:33.05 | poisonbit | person2, yes i use to install (and purge) with aptitude, sorry |
| 16:33.20 | person2 | nono it's okay :) |
| 16:33.21 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 16:33.47 | person2 | It's just I see /everyone/ say apt-get install... I was wondering if I had been reading ancient Woody documentation or something ^^ |
| 16:34.46 | poisonbit | person2, intel 915, is a basic chip with shared memory and bad performance for 3D. but iceweasel + adobe flash is mora a CPU + memory question |
| 16:34.56 | dk-laptop | anyone can help with creation of custom Debian CD? |
| 16:35.10 | person2 | I see... So shall I get him to try it with LXDE? |
| 16:35.11 | poisonbit | dk-laptop, you can start in wiki.debian.org |
| 16:36.08 | dk-laptop | I put a local mirro with the packages that I want to put on CD at /mirror and apt-get the debian-cd.. |
| 16:36.21 | dk-laptop | Look at this http://pastebin.com/d3cec2d4e |
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| 16:36.48 | adb | !custom cd |
| 16:36.49 | dpkg | i guess custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends | #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/ |
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| 16:38.34 | poisonbit | person2, how many ram has that laptop ? |
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| 16:39.09 | gaintsura | I've got a couple of "rc someinfo" in my dpkg -l, I tried apt-get purge someinfo, but it says not installed so not removed, how can I clear these? |
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| 16:40.07 | poisonbit | gaintsura, try aptitude purge someinfo and check dpkg -l another time |
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| 16:40.27 | adb | what's means "rc" ? |
| 16:40.39 | poisonbit | adb, configuration files not purged |
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| 16:41.05 | person2 | poisonbit: 512MB |
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| 16:41.18 | person2 | With a 1024mb swap partition |
| 16:41.28 | gaintsura | poisonbit: thanks |
| 16:41.35 | poisonbit | person2, a bit of tuning... and anything but gnome or kde will be fine |
| 16:42.04 | poisonbit | gaintsura, you're welcome |
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| 16:44.35 | izua | hey. |
| 16:44.46 | person2 | poisonbit: Thanks for all your help |
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| 16:45.00 | poisonbit | good luck person2 |
| 16:45.09 | adb | buna ziua |
| 16:45.15 | izua | i have a new harddrive (640) and an old harddrive (750GB). I need to copy a partition from the old hdd (53686.41) to the new harddrive. |
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| 16:45.47 | person2 | thanks poisonbit |
| 16:45.54 | poisonbit | izua, for diferent sizes, there are two ways |
| 16:45.58 | ray66 | poisonbit...got the nVidia card info now how do I get the driver info |
| 16:45.59 | izua | the old harddrive is the primary boot disk. |
| 16:46.08 | poisonbit | izua, you can create the filesystem and cp, tar, etc content |
| 16:46.26 | izua | it contains the sector that initialises grub or whatever magic it does (and grub is installed on a third hdd) |
| 16:46.31 | poisonbit | or the other way is to use partimage, mindi and such "partition restore" tools |
| 16:46.32 | izua | um, no, it's a ntfs fs |
| 16:46.44 | izua | that is the problem :) |
| 16:46.53 | poisonbit | outch |
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| 16:47.07 | adb | dd |
| 16:47.08 | izua | dd? |
| 16:47.15 | izua | ya, asta mă gândeam şi eu |
| 16:47.21 | poisonbit | dd will do a bit to bit copy |
| 16:47.34 | izua | what about the boot sector? |
| 16:47.41 | poisonbit | will copy all |
| 16:47.48 | poisonbit | bootsector included |
| 16:47.53 | Phasy13 | deb:/home/psy# dpkg -i Desktop/skype-debian_2.0.0.72-1_i386.deb |
| 16:47.53 | Phasy13 | dpkg: error processing Desktop/skype-debian_2.0.0.72-1_i386.deb (--install): |
| 16:47.53 | Phasy13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.54 | dpkg | phasy13: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 16:47.56 | poisonbit | but it will not resize the partition |
| 16:48.06 | izua | um, no, I can't copy a 750 GB hdd to a 640GB, and even if i could, it would take to long |
| 16:48.15 | poisonbit | Phasy13, amd64? |
| 16:48.16 | epsas | izua - dd if=/dev/old_disk of=/dev/new_disk |
| 16:48.18 | Phasy13 | anyone can help me on that error? |
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| 16:48.30 | epsas | oh.. smaller drive |
| 16:48.32 | izua | i was thinking: create the ntfs partition in win, copy it under linux |
| 16:48.36 | epsas | filesystem copy |
| 16:48.41 | izua | filesystem is ntfs |
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| 16:48.47 | poisonbit | Phasy13, your system is amd64 and the .deb is for 32 bits |
| 16:49.05 | Phasy13 | Yes |
| 16:49.11 | izua | it also has the windows system, which i'd totally hate to reinstall |
| 16:49.22 | Phasy13 | And the fact is that there is no 64 bit skype package |
| 16:49.40 | DeSian | ican't remove package http://paste.debian.net/38138/ |
| 16:49.59 | DeSian | however is installed! |
| 16:50.18 | poisonbit | Phasy13, people is using it... http://www.google.es/search?q=lenny+amd64+skype |
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| 16:50.49 | lszyba1 | hello, |
| 16:50.51 | poisonbit | DeSian, dpkg -l | grep chrome ? |
| 16:51.00 | DeSian | Phasy13: is somthing in skype blog about skype 64 bit in 2009 |
| 16:51.53 | DeSian | poisonbit: thnx the name was wrong "google-chrome-unstable" |
| 16:52.08 | lszyba1 | I have a folder owned by uucp:uucp, I need to add a user "lucas" to that group and make sure he can access the folder when he logges in. Right now he needs to type "newgroup uucp" after login. How can I make it automatic? |
| 16:52.10 | poisonbit | DeSian, use aptitude purge better than dpkg --remove |
| 16:52.33 | DeSian | poisonbit: yes, is removed tnx |
| 16:52.37 | poisonbit | ;) |
| 16:52.53 | lszyba1 | DeSian: Phasy13: there is a skype ubuntu amd64 .deb file that you can install and it works. |
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| 16:54.45 | poisonbit | lszyba1, grep lucas /etc/group ? |
| 16:54.47 | Phasy13 | will --force-acrhitecture solve my problem? |
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| 16:55.44 | lszyba1 | uucp:x:10:lucas |
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| 16:56.03 | poisonbit | mmm |
| 16:56.16 | Phasy13 | skype: error while loading shared libraries: libasound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:56.28 | Phasy13 | i installed libasound explicitly |
| 16:57.39 | lszyba1 | poisonbit: sorry. I did logout and login and it I seem to be able to create files, but when using sshfs the permission is denied. |
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| 16:59.06 | poisonbit | lszyba1, add lucas to the fuse group ? |
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| 17:00.28 | plaur | after a fresh install of lenny, i use aptitude to install the cca. 800 packages i had in the previous installation. should i restore /etc from backups before or after installing the packages? |
| 17:01.04 | izua | k, i'm gonna copy the whole partition from one hdd to the other dd if=old of=new |
| 17:01.15 | izua | is there a dd option to show me the total progress? |
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| 17:01.23 | Sabrinchen | is there a openvz image with ispcp??? |
| 17:01.29 | poisonbit | plaur, /etc was also from lenny ? i think restore "after" install the packages |
| 17:01.45 | poisonbit | izua, there was a signal |
| 17:01.54 | ranix | izua: you can dd of=- | pv | >file I think. Test that before you go doing it |
| 17:01.54 | poisonbit | kill -HUP i think i remember |
| 17:02.12 | plaur | poisonbit: yes (i followed testing before lenny was released) |
| 17:02.15 | poisonbit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.15 | poisonbit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.20 | poisonbit | man dd |
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| 17:02.48 | poisonbit | plaur, 1) install the 800 packages, copy /etc to /etc_orig, the overwrite and try to see |
| 17:03.00 | poisonbit | s/the/then/ |
| 17:03.27 | plaur | poisonbit: i did restore /etc after install, but the automatically generated users became different uids than before, and directories ended up with the wrog owners after restoring /etc |
| 17:03.28 | acxty | Hi guys, what software can I use to burn a damage dvd. I am using k3b but it always return error. I don't want to repair the dvd just want to burn it with all error, readable, etc |
| 17:03.34 | poisonbit | izua, kill -USR1 $(pgrep dd) |
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| 17:04.52 | plaur | so now i'm thinking about either restoring before (but i'll get asked about diffing the config files with every new install), or using etckeeper and try to patch things with source control after the damage is done... |
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| 17:05.27 | poisonbit | yes, etckeeper can be a way, not sure |
| 17:05.43 | izua | that's what i'm reading |
| 17:05.44 | izua | ok |
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| 17:05.48 | plaur | poisonbit: thanks |
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| 17:06.07 | poisonbit | god luck |
| 17:06.09 | izua | does bs increase copy speed on faster computers? we're talking to SATA drives here, 3GHZ cpu, 2GB ram.. |
| 17:06.10 | poisonbit | good |
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| 17:06.26 | izua | i assume it's the I/O read block, not the partition block |
| 17:06.39 | izua | I/O dd block* |
| 17:08.04 | poisonbit | izua, not sure, but you can do a little benchmark in your machine |
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| 17:08.39 | poisonbit | and try 512, 1024, 10240, etc... |
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| 17:09.42 | izua | 6986121216 bytes (7.0 GB) copied, 62.5469 s, 112 MB/s on dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=/dev/sda1 bs=4096 conv=notrunc,noerror |
| 17:09.54 | poisonbit | mi machine (sata) get better times with 10240 than whit 512 |
| 17:10.02 | izua | 112Mb/S.. wait, wtf? |
| 17:10.10 | izua | sata goes that high? |
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| 17:10.17 | binrapt | Uh much higher |
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| 17:10.34 | izua | it goes to 3G but there's the protocol and checksums |
| 17:12.18 | valdyn | izua: bs hardly affects speed to and from (slow) disks on fast computers |
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| 17:13.03 | valdyn | izua: very different with faster storage |
| 17:14.20 | valdyn | acxty: use ddrescue first to create an image of that dvd |
| 17:14.33 | acxty | valdyn, thanks |
| 17:14.37 | poisonbit | i think 10240 is getting the better results in my desktop (Core2 2.16, 2G, sata imac over ext3) |
| 17:14.52 | valdyn | poisonbit: but not by a huge amount |
| 17:14.58 | izua | o_O 42 GB already |
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| 17:15.05 | valdyn | poisonbit: should be just few % |
| 17:15.12 | poisonbit | i write from /dev to file in the same disk also |
| 17:15.13 | izua | umm.. also, should I copy the mbr? there's grub on it |
| 17:15.30 | izua | I'm thinking of dropping grub and using my bios boot select utility |
| 17:15.37 | izua | so i'll have one hdd with windows and another one with linux |
| 17:15.40 | Phasy13 | libQtDBus.so -- not found |
| 17:15.43 | valdyn | izua: that is not going to work |
| 17:15.44 | Phasy13 | where to get it? |
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| 17:16.02 | izua | it isn't? |
| 17:16.17 | valdyn | izua: your bios can just read and run the mbr of some disk |
| 17:16.23 | poisonbit | valdin bs=10240 count=100 is the double faster than bs=1024 count=1000 in my machine |
| 17:16.32 | valdyn | izua: but you need to load and run the linux kernel |
| 17:16.34 | izua | yes. |
| 17:16.43 | izua | one disk will hold the mbr for windows which will run ntldr |
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| 17:16.50 | izua | the other disk will hold the mbr for grub |
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| 17:17.22 | izua | 54GB @ 114MB/s.. sounds pretty cool |
| 17:17.24 | valdyn | poisonbit: cached? |
| 17:17.27 | izua | done :D |
| 17:17.33 | poisonbit | mmm may be lol |
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| 17:17.48 | valdyn | poisonbit: cached you are benchmarking ram and cpu, not disk |
| 17:17.59 | valdyn | poisonbit: SURE small block sizes reduce cpu load |
| 17:18.07 | poisonbit | i see |
| 17:18.08 | valdyn | poisonbit: SURE small block sizes *increase* cpu load |
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| 17:19.22 | poisonbit | sync only flush write buffers |
| 17:19.49 | poisonbit | there was a bit in /proc to clean ram buffers, but i don't remember |
| 17:20.08 | valdyn | poisonbit: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 17:20.17 | poisonbit | yes! |
| 17:20.26 | poisonbit | for normal state was "3" ? |
| 17:20.31 | poisonbit | echo 3 ? |
| 17:20.33 | valdyn | poisonbit: no idea |
| 17:20.42 | poisonbit | mmm man proc |
| 17:20.48 | ranix | proc proc proc |
| 17:21.10 | ranix | echo 1 > /proc/foo/kilroy |
| 17:21.13 | Phasy13 | skype: error while loading shared libraries: libQtDBus.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:21.16 | poisonbit | To free pagecache, use echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches; to |
| 17:21.17 | poisonbit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.17 | poisonbit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.17 | poisonbit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:21.18 | Phasy13 | please help me solve this |
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| 17:21.30 | StuckMojo | what year was woody released? |
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| 17:22.07 | ranix | http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+release+history |
| 17:22.08 | adb | 19 Jul 2002 |
| 17:22.31 | ranix | adb: shame on you |
| 17:22.40 | ranix | all those poor little googles out of a job |
| 17:22.40 | StuckMojo | thanks |
| 17:23.12 | poisonbit | 3 is fro clean al bits... and 0 for normal beavior |
| 17:23.26 | lszyba1 | poisonbit:thanks...that worked.. |
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| 17:27.34 | nkuttler | Phasy13: install the missing lib, try apt-cache search lib qt dbus |
| 17:28.42 | Phasy13 | i did |
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| 17:31.08 | Sabrinchen | If somebody familiar with ISPCP and can install it for me? I pay for it? |
| 17:32.47 | Phasy13 | how do i use .sh files? |
| 17:32.54 | poisonbit | Sabrinchen, http://isp-control.net/documentation/start/installation/debian ? |
| 17:33.14 | Sabrinchen | poisonbit doesnt work |
| 17:33.17 | Sabrinchen | mail,ftp dont work |
| 17:33.19 | ranix | Phasy13: you could make them executable and put #!/bin/sh in the first line of the file |
| 17:33.33 | ranix | Phasy13: or you could run bash foo.sh |
| 17:33.35 | poisonbit | Phasy13, /bin/bash file.sh or chmod +x file.sh && ./file.sh |
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| 17:34.38 | poisonbit | Sabrinchen, http://isp-control.net/documentation/troubleshooting ? (mail and ftp) |
| 17:35.19 | Sabrinchen | hmm intresting poisonbit mom will try |
| 17:35.36 | Phasy13 | Come on people! Is there really no amd64 user who uses skype? I don't believe you |
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| 17:36.49 | nkuttler | Phasy13: um, amd64... did you install the gq dbus lib? |
| 17:37.07 | Phasy13 | I like install several dbus libs |
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| 17:37.20 | nkuttler | Phasy13: libqt4-dbus ? |
| 17:37.22 | lunk | dbus, always a pain :/ |
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| 17:37.33 | Sabrinchen | poisonbit |
| 17:37.34 | Sabrinchen | localhost (Port 10024) AMaVis DOWN |
| 17:37.34 | Sabrinchen | 188.40.32.177 (Port 53) DNS DOWN |
| 17:37.44 | Sabrinchen | 188.40.32.177 (Port 995) POP3-SSL DOWN |
| 17:37.48 | Sabrinchen | ftp works now |
| 17:37.48 | Phasy13 | libqt4-dbus is already the newest version. |
| 17:37.53 | nkuttler | !tell Sabrinchen about paste |
| 17:37.59 | Phasy13 | skype: error while loading shared libraries: libQtDBus.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:38.09 | Sabrinchen | ok |
| 17:38.12 | Sabrinchen | nkuttler im sorry |
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| 17:38.19 | eject_ck | hi all |
| 17:38.50 | nkuttler | Phasy13: google skype amd64 |
| 17:39.03 | nkuttler | Phasy13: and get the statically linked next time |
| 17:39.08 | eject_ck | I need to use localtime instead GMT time with pure-ftpd. Does anyone know how? Is this OS or daemon specific? I don`t found nothing in pure-ftpd config about this. |
| 17:40.07 | Sabrinchen | poisonbit : http://paste.debian.net/38143/ |
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| 17:41.18 | shivraj | how can I add nm-applet to panel ? |
| 17:41.24 | shivraj | one user has it, another doesnt |
| 17:41.52 | shivraj | its there by default, the user that has it was added during debian install |
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| 17:42.48 | poisonbit | shivraj, compare groups |
| 17:42.58 | poisonbit | in /etc/group |
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| 17:44.03 | poisonbit | some body see any error in this file? http://paste.debian.net/38141 i get a lot of screen garbage |
| 17:45.14 | poisonbit | without vlans it works fine (after chmod 644 to /etc/network/if-up.d/nfsmounts that i _don't_ use but is in "initscripts" package (and dpkg -l | grep nfs returns nothing) |
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| 17:46.33 | poisonbit | i think ifupdown scripts are a litle... limited for interfaces like bond0.2 or br03.212 |
| 17:46.56 | poisonbit | vlans, over bridges, over bonding... a litle hard, i know |
| 17:49.01 | poisonbit | mmm it seems fixed in lenny, is an etch issue |
| 17:49.29 | poisonbit | i have to patch /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/vlan |
| 17:50.40 | SethX | re |
| 17:50.52 | SethX | anybody got an idea about postfix... |
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| 17:51.00 | SethX | it suddently stopped working |
| 17:51.01 | SethX | fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms |
| 17:51.08 | SethX | scratches head |
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| 17:52.19 | poisonbit | suddently... after an upgrade? after touching something? after another root? or plain suddently ? |
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| 17:52.57 | poisonbit | you can checklogs for changes (last -x... /var/log/dpkg, etc) |
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| 17:53.24 | SethX | plain suddenly |
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| 17:53.41 | SethX | no upgrades in the last days |
| 17:53.46 | SethX | this morning it was working |
| 17:53.50 | SethX | now it stopped |
| 17:53.59 | SethX | without me touching anything in /etc or similar |
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| 17:55.45 | poisonbit | check the time of the machine |
| 17:55.56 | pipingcats | Hi guys. Does anyone have any experience with postgresql? I need it to start automatically with my machine, but I'm not sure what the best way to make it do this is. |
| 17:55.56 | poisonbit | it may be an ntp issue |
| 17:55.58 | SethX | http://pastebin.com/m6427e2d1 |
| 17:56.08 | SethX | its synced via ntp |
| 17:56.13 | SethX | hmm |
| 17:56.16 | SethX | reminds me of |
| 17:56.21 | SethX | thats the only thing i did today |
| 17:56.25 | faffi | was kedit discontinued or something in squeeze? |
| 17:56.25 | poisonbit | :) |
| 17:56.36 | SethX | yet the time is correct |
| 17:56.47 | SethX | it just corrected it by some 90 seconds, which is my daily bios offset |
| 17:56.51 | anddam | is it possible to change screen size when changin mode with xrandr? |
| 17:57.03 | faffi | anddam: you mean resolution? yes |
| 17:57.17 | SethX | which is an operation which gets performed by a cronjob each night |
| 17:57.23 | SethX | but this never caused problems |
| 17:57.36 | SethX | so, ill reboot. |
| 17:57.40 | SethX | lets see what happens. |
| 17:57.40 | poisonbit | faffi, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kedit&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 17:58.19 | anddam | faffi: no I mean screen as per xorg "Screen" meaning |
| 17:58.31 | anddam | faffi: what do you call resolution? |
| 17:58.50 | faffi | anddam: Why would xrandr change the size of a screen session |
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| 17:59.13 | faffi | oh i misunderstoof your question twice |
| 17:59.22 | faffi | ignore me, ive been reading too much assembly |
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| 17:59.31 | faffi | sorry :P |
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| 17:59.48 | anddam | are you trying to divert my main question? |
| 17:59.58 | anddam | ah ok |
| 18:00.00 | lszyba1 | Phasy13: Did you try installing the ubuntu amd64 .deb on you debian....I've installed it on lenny with no problems. I was able to login etc...I haven't figure out how to get the mic working but that's later... |
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| 18:00.06 | anddam | assembly is good :-) |
| 18:00.43 | faffi | yeah it is, smash the stack wargames |
| 18:00.43 | poisonbit | pipingcats, aptitude install postgresql and you'll get /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 |
| 18:00.55 | SethX | poisonbit: now it works |
| 18:00.57 | anddam | basically I'd like that whenever I go to a smaller size mode the screen changed accordingly so menus and all the rest would fit the new display |
| 18:01.01 | pipingcats | Yeah, it's what I'm trying to use, but I guess I'm not using it right. |
| 18:01.06 | anddam | but I don't know if it's possible at all |
| 18:01.10 | pipingcats | I do /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 start |
| 18:01.15 | pipingcats | but that doesn't do anything :( |
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| 18:01.25 | SethX | poisonbit: makes me think i have a windows box which needs to be rebooted from time to time |
| 18:01.32 | ttick | I'm trying to reconfigure squeezecenter through "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh squeezecenter" However the mysql root passwd is failing. How do I change the root@localhost password that dpkg knows about? |
| 18:01.33 | SethX | misses his 200 days uptime :( |
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| 18:02.12 | poisonbit | SethX, a 90 seconds adjustment, is bad for any db, like sasldb |
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| 18:02.27 | konr | Why does debian promote only free software packages in it and use the linux kernel, which has non-free parts? |
| 18:02.46 | cahoot | anddam: seems xrandr 1.3 got a scale option - might be what you want |
| 18:02.50 | poisonbit | konr, debian developers, also works on "clean" the kernel, from time to time |
| 18:02.52 | SethX | poisonbit: unfortunatley my bios skews off of about 100 seconds every 24 hours |
| 18:02.56 | visof | hello |
| 18:03.05 | poisonbit | konr, normally before releases |
| 18:03.18 | SethX | i currently have a nightly cronjob doing this at 2 am when there *should* be low load |
| 18:03.24 | SethX | but, at this point, i dunno... |
| 18:03.28 | visof | how can i mount "usb" flash ? |
| 18:03.39 | epsas | konr - there are parts in the kernel that are non-free? |
| 18:03.44 | epsas | that's new to me |
| 18:03.48 | SethX | visof: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/mountpoint |
| 18:03.55 | visof | what is the file system should i write for "usb flash"? |
| 18:04.07 | konr | epsas: that's what I read in the linux-libre page |
| 18:04.09 | anddam | cahoot: is that available on lenny? |
| 18:04.22 | epsas | visof - usually fat32 |
| 18:04.42 | epsas | visof - i mean, usb thumb drives are formatted in fat32 |
| 18:04.43 | SethX | visof: generally mount takes care of that by itself though |
| 18:04.49 | Yancho | anyone an suggest me some mp3 file streamer like jinzora which works pleae? i need to use lighttpd and sqlite on my server to keep it light |
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| 18:05.13 | SethX | poisonbit: have you ever experienced similar situations? |
| 18:05.24 | poisonbit | SethX, about the clock ? |
| 18:05.28 | poisonbit | SethX, yes |
| 18:05.29 | SethX | ya |
| 18:05.52 | poisonbit | I fixed it using --direct-isa or something like |
| 18:05.52 | poisonbit | in a init script |
| 18:05.56 | SethX | whats direct isa |
| 18:06.07 | SethX | "a init script" isnt very precise |
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| 18:06.11 | poisonbit | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=37806 |
| 18:06.15 | SethX | merci |
| 18:06.18 | poisonbit | ;) |
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| 18:06.51 | visof | another thing , i mounted fat32 partition and i can't copy, paste and cut any files from it , it's because lack or privileges |
| 18:06.56 | visof | how can i fix that ? |
| 18:07.09 | cahoot | visof: using gnome? |
| 18:07.15 | SethX | thanks poisonbit |
| 18:07.19 | SethX | ciao & |
| 18:07.19 | visof | cahoot ya |
| 18:07.23 | marcin | Hi, does any use vservers? I have a problem, beacuse scripts from /etc/vservers/<name>/scripts/pre-start.d/<script> doesn't execute at runing vserver. Have you had similar problem? |
| 18:08.00 | cahoot | visof: gconf-editor-system-storage-vfat set option umask=0 or such |
| 18:08.27 | ttick | how do I change the root@localhost password known by dpkg? |
| 18:09.21 | visof | cahoot i got command not found |
| 18:09.51 | ttick | how do I change the root@localhost password (for mysql) known by dpkg? |
| 18:09.56 | cahoot | what command visof |
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| 18:10.16 | poisonbit | ttick, dpkg only knows about debian-sys-maint user and is in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 18:10.34 | cahoot | visof: run gconf-editor |
| 18:10.47 | ttick | poisonbit: is the debian-sys-maint user in /etc/passwd? because I don't seem to have one. |
| 18:11.10 | poisonbit | ttick, system users and mysql users is not the same |
| 18:11.37 | poisonbit | ttick, you have thousand of manuals to reset the mysql root passwd if that is your ptoblem |
| 18:11.45 | poisonbit | prblem |
| 18:11.50 | poisonbit | problem |
| 18:11.52 | poisonbit | arg |
| 18:12.02 | ttick | poisonbit: understood. Wasn't sure if it was also a systme user. Okay, I see him in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
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| 18:12.57 | ttick | poisonbit: no, I know how to reset the root passwd for mysql. But the authentication from dpkg is failing -- and I was wondering where it gets the passwd from, since it's not prompting me for the mysql passwd. |
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| 18:14.14 | ttick | poisonbit: dpkg is trying to access mysql to drop some tables. I keep getting: "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" |
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| 18:16.02 | poisonbit | you can update it then (the passwd) in mysql |
| 18:16.10 | poisonbit | the passwd in etc is in plain text |
| 18:16.23 | poisonbit | (it's not an md5) |
| 18:17.03 | ttick | ah, okay. that should make it easy. thanks. |
| 18:17.08 | poisonbit | :) |
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| 18:17.53 | themill | ttick: /root/.my.cnf can contain the root passwd for making various things like that easier, but dpkg should be using the debian-sys-maint user |
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| 18:23.51 | RichiH | i need a man-in-the-middle howto for HTTP. and no, it's not for a bad reason |
| 18:23.51 | ttick | themill: okay, thanks, I'm still working on changing the debian-sys-maint user's passwd. |
| 18:25.06 | \amethyst | RichiH: squid can act as a transparent proxy, I believe |
| 18:25.13 | poisonbit | RichiH, tcpdump -nn -i eth0 -s -A port 80 |
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| 18:25.58 | RichiH | \amethyst: it can, but i never set it up to act as a real mitm tool, i.e. i don't know what to do, exactly |
| 18:26.41 | RichiH | poisonbit: i don't want to capture stuff, i just want to forcefully rewrite an email address. i don't have control of the server (customer lost it), but i do have control of dns and the ip needs to change |
| 18:27.29 | \amethyst | RichiH: found this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Upside-Down-TernetHowTo |
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| 18:28.02 | \amethyst | RichiH: you might be able to adapt that |
| 18:29.11 | RichiH | i will have a look, thanks |
| 18:29.17 | JW | teratoma: hey I was talking with you about running a Debian system on software RAID 1 a few days ago, remember? And you said it has never worked for you. |
| 18:29.22 | poisonbit | there was also a ngrep (network grep) tool in any debian package |
| 18:29.28 | poisonbit | nsed, sorry |
| 18:29.41 | poisonbit | you can rewrite traffic with nsed |
| 18:29.44 | poisonbit | like sed |
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| 18:30.06 | poisonbit | (if the email address goes in plain text and not over https) |
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| 18:30.40 | RichiH | \amethyst: that is the way i know how to use squid |
| 18:30.44 | RichiH | i need it the other way round |
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| 18:31.44 | \amethyst | RichiH: maybe google for something like squid reverse proxy |
| 18:32.12 | \amethyst | RichiH: and combine that with the rewriting stuff |
| 18:33.43 | adama_ | RichiH: http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html |
| 18:35.26 | karsten | Did MegaRAID support make it into lenny smartmontools? The changelog doesn't really clarify whether or not it did, and it's acting wonky on a rebuild of sources on an etch box (don't ask). |
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| 18:40.25 | ajavid | I read something in a security article concerning servers |
| 18:40.30 | ajavid | services to be exact |
| 18:40.48 | ajavid | it says, recompiled all your services to take out any identification strigns |
| 18:40.53 | ajavid | does anyone practice this? |
| 18:41.06 | poisonbit | i don't |
| 18:41.11 | ajavid | like recompile apache, and take out all the version, name, any identifying strings |
| 18:41.17 | ajavid | in order to increase security |
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| 18:41.35 | ajavid | is it worth it? |
| 18:41.45 | karsten | ajavid: Yeah, that's a recommendation I've seen. Lame IMO. |
| 18:41.45 | jelly | ajavid: recompile? |
| 18:41.56 | karsten | ajavid: If you're running updated patched servers, not an issue. |
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| 18:42.12 | karsten | ajavid: It does make it easier for the black hats to decide which 'sploits to try on you though. |
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| 18:42.27 | karsten | ajavid: Prolly more useful for Windows users than real geeks. |
| 18:42.41 | poisonbit | and you've to recompile on each bug from upstream |
| 18:42.54 | ajavid | i see |
| 18:42.56 | karsten | Apparently the MegaRAID stuff is in the TODO. |
| 18:42.59 | jelly | ajavid: that particular service has configurable banner/header version info, btw |
| 18:43.02 | ttick | okay, still having problems. Why would dpkg tell me: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root@localhost'@'localhost' (using password: NO). Notice the double localhost. |
| 18:43.16 | ajavid | jelly, yes, but you know what I mean in general |
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| 18:43.21 | ranix | ajavid: that's obscurity, not security |
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| 18:43.29 | ajavid | ahhhh |
| 18:43.36 | lish | dpkg knows about file extensions? how i'm a suppost to say , i want good information about .nls national language support i didn't find anything in google |
| 18:43.36 | dpkg | You are moron #1, lish |
| 18:43.39 | jelly | ranix: obscurity is a nice layer to add to the security. |
| 18:43.40 | ranix | ajavid: web servers should be either segregated, jailed, or virtualized |
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| 18:43.47 | ajavid | ranix, yes |
| 18:43.49 | poisonbit | the only way to get out of "Server:" in curl -I any_url is to recompile |
| 18:43.52 | karsten | Though that references ATA RAID, not SCSI. |
| 18:43.53 | ajavid | I am reading debian security stuff |
| 18:44.12 | ajavid | I want to buy a dedicated server and use debian on it |
| 18:44.21 | ajavid | but before i do, I want to setup one at home, harden it, secure it |
| 18:44.25 | ajavid | get soem practice etc. |
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| 18:44.45 | jelly | I've only seen megaraid in old dells. |
| 18:44.47 | subsume | what's the package I should use for installing java? |
| 18:44.52 | subsume | java-package? |
| 18:44.57 | ajavid | subsume, which java? |
| 18:45.06 | ajavid | subsume, sun java or open jdk |
| 18:45.13 | ajavid | !install java |
| 18:45.13 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java-6-jre. Also ask me about <install java etch>. |
| 18:45.21 | jelly | subsume: what are you going to use java for? |
| 18:45.21 | subsume | I imagine sun..... |
| 18:45.34 | subsume | I need to run a jar file for testing this stupid SOAP service |
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| 18:45.54 | scimmia | Hi guys, I tried to re-compile the kernel using guide in debian wiki, but I got this error: http://nopaste.com/p/aFzfm3Zzh Any hint? |
| 18:46.11 | jelly | subsume: just jre, then, sun-java6-jre |
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| 18:47.02 | subsume | ok.... great. I can just do sun-java6 and it will depend on it, eh jelly ? |
| 18:47.21 | scimmia | I mean this guide :http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 18:47.24 | ranix | ajavid: go for a reasonable level of security and check intermittently for compromise |
| 18:47.34 | jelly | subsume: I have no idea about the interdependencies of sun-java6* packages, sorry |
| 18:47.39 | subsume | ok, cool. thanks. |
| 18:47.41 | ranix | ajavid: you shouldn't have too much to worry about on a webserver |
| 18:47.53 | subsume | by 'jre' you mean default-jre ? |
| 18:48.16 | ranix | most attacks will be against awful software you shouldn't be using anyway, like poorly-implemented message boards and web administration software' |
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| 18:48.38 | ranix | rarely will someone actually zero-day a real Apache vulnerability, and even if they do it's not awful to clean up |
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| 18:48.54 | ranix | unless your web server is your file server |
| 18:48.58 | ranix | then you're boned |
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| 18:53.33 | JW | Hey RAID gurus I have a Q: I'm testing software RAID 1. I have everything including /boot the 2nd partition. first partition is swap. If I remove the 2nd drive to test it, everything is fine. If I remove the 1st drive, the system sits there like it's looking for a bootloader and can't find one. |
| 18:53.59 | JW | I'm thinking, maybe, that GRUB was written to the MBR on the first disk and not on the second - does that sound right to anybody? |
| 18:54.28 | JW | Can I just choose the "reinstall GRUB boot loader" option from the rescue disk? Talking about Lenny, here. |
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| 18:55.22 | hjb | hi. i have a dbox which hasn't the portmapd running |
| 18:55.38 | hjb | i can't mount my nfs exports (debian lenny as server) |
| 18:55.40 | memnon | Hey, someone on the list asked how to change keyboard layout on a |
| 18:55.40 | memnon | !minimal! lenny install. He wanted no loadkeys, so I suggested dpgk-reconfigure console-data |
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| 18:55.48 | memnon | Just wondering: Will this work...? |
| 18:55.51 | hjb | is it true that nfsv4 doesn't need the portmapper any more? |
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| 18:57.29 | konr | is there a way to access wireless tools in debian installation? how can I manually connect to an unprotected hotspot "foo"? |
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| 18:58.42 | konr | there is not even ifconfig :P |
| 18:58.52 | patrikf | are you root? |
| 18:58.59 | konr | yes |
| 18:59.12 | konr | I'm running the install cd |
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| 19:04.18 | bronaugh | JW: re RAID and redundant boot, I've used lilo with success in the past, but haven't used grub successfully. |
| 19:04.29 | JW | ok |
| 19:04.33 | bronaugh | JW: there may be a way, but I haven't found it (also haven't looked superhard) |
| 19:05.26 | poisonbit | bronaugh, hardware isue ? |
| 19:05.30 | bronaugh | http://www.texsoft.it/index.php?c=hardware&m=hw.storage.grubraid1&l=it |
| 19:05.32 | bronaugh | this may cover it. |
| 19:05.34 | poisonbit | i use soft raid with grub |
| 19:05.47 | konr | apparently these is a "netcfg" utility, which has no manual nor help menu, tho |
| 19:05.51 | bronaugh | oh. duh. |
| 19:05.53 | konr | can I use it to set my essid? |
| 19:05.54 | bronaugh | it's easy. just set it up on both disks. |
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| 19:06.12 | bronaugh | link provided covers it. |
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| 19:06.25 | JW | bronaugh: you're talking to me when you say " just set it up on both disks." and "it" == GRUB right? |
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| 19:06.41 | bronaugh | JW: yup. |
| 19:07.01 | JW | "To be able to boot from the second disk if the first fails, GRUB has to be installed on both disks" -- yeha, right, that's what I missed the first time around |
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| 19:07.27 | poisonbit | JW, i think it was a bug on the debian-installer about that... are you doing it manually ? |
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| 19:07.56 | adb | s |
| 19:08.04 | konr | nobody? :P |
| 19:08.14 | JW | poisonbit: ok first, I'm just testing to make sure this will work. I'm not under any duress, this is a test. I'm using Lenny. I have a dell PE server, using two SATA disks, SOftware RAID 1 |
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| 19:08.39 | JW | I set the whole thing up with the DDebian net-isntall installer (ncurses, not graphical - std install selection) |
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| 19:08.51 | JW | poisonbit: worked great |
| 19:09.13 | JW | poisonbit: then I removed the second disk to simulate disk failure. Coudl still boot, everything was fine, |
| 19:09.27 | memnon | konr: mom, no idea, /me asks google |
| 19:09.29 | JW | when I reinstalled the second disk I was able to "add' it back tothe md array and it rebuilt like a charm |
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| 19:09.43 | JW | poisonbit: now I"m trying to simulate primary disk failure |
| 19:10.08 | JW | poisonbit: I had to move the the 2nd disk to SATA port 0 because this server won't even try to boot of port 1 |
| 19:10.15 | poisonbit | and d-i has only installed grub on hd0... :-) |
| 19:10.18 | JW | and, behold, it has no bootloader, so it can't boot :-) |
| 19:10.19 | konr | memnon: oh I certainly haven't done that |
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| 19:10.26 | JW | you got it |
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| 19:10.39 | JW | come to think of it I guess that is a bug, of sorts. But I wasn't bug-hunting :-) |
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| 19:11.02 | poisonbit | someting like "raid unit testing" |
| 19:11.06 | poisonbit | :) |
| 19:11.15 | JW | poisonbit: so I guess what I should have done was manually installed grub on the second disk right after the initial install |
| 19:11.23 | memnon | konr: ? Sorry I can not give an answer from the top of my head ... |
| 19:11.27 | poisonbit | yup |
| 19:11.57 | poisonbit | JW, is better to discover that testing... that on a failure in production ;) |
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| 19:12.03 | JW | but out of curiosity I want to know, can I now just use the Debian-Lenny-Installer's "Recue Mode" option to "reinstall GRUB bootloader"? |
| 19:12.08 | JW | yeah exactly |
| 19:12.27 | poisonbit | yes |
| 19:12.40 | poisonbit | i think rescue mode loads md's |
| 19:12.46 | JW | ok I'll try it - I won't loose much if it wrecks it, I still have the other primary disk to re-sync from |
| 19:12.53 | JW | poisonbit: yes, it does, I already tried it |
| 19:13.15 | JW | it sees the md0 just fine and mount is on /target and will give me a chrooted shell on it |
| 19:13.18 | JW | all the data is there |
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| 19:14.19 | JW | ok Im trying it now. Is it better to tell is /dev/sda or (hd0) ? |
| 19:14.22 | JW | (it |
| 19:15.11 | poisonbit | for grub i always use hd0 hd0,0 etc |
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| 19:15.53 | JW | the instructions aren't clear - should I type in the () or not? |
| 19:16.09 | JW | in other words (hd0) or just hd0 |
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| 19:17.13 | memnon | konr: You have the cd 1, you install and you want to have wireless already |
| 19:17.13 | memnon | in installation, right? |
| 19:17.42 | poisonbit | JW, (hd0) |
| 19:17.51 | poisonbit | JW, grub also has tab tab completion |
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| 19:18.33 | JW | Thank you. Didn't know that. O course I wasn't exactly in the grub shell, I was in the rescume-mode interface. Rebooting now, we'll see if it worked |
| 19:18.42 | JW | hey I have a grub prompt! :-) |
| 19:18.47 | JW | and it's booting. Woo-hoo |
| 19:19.05 | poisonbit | a new point to the "after install" check list ;) |
| 19:19.10 | JW | exactly |
| 19:19.20 | JW | I'm glad it can also be resuced though! |
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| 19:19.42 | poisonbit | I had a shell script to fix that, in my late_command scripts for preseed installs |
| 19:20.08 | poisonbit | using grub <<EOT blablabla EOT |
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| 19:22.11 | BubbaT | I'm runnying lenny main right now. Can I upgrade to kde 4,2.4? |
| 19:22.20 | JW | poisonbit: one more thing since you seem knowledgable. On the functioning system (when both disks were installed and synched), whenever I halt the system, one of the last things printed is somethign like this: |
| 19:22.29 | JW | poisonbit: Stopping MD array md0 (failed . . . busy) |
| 19:22.34 | JW | What's that all about? |
| 19:22.41 | bronaugh | it's in use for some stupid reason. |
| 19:22.49 | patrikf | like, you have your root fs on it. |
| 19:22.51 | poisonbit | JW, don't worry about that message |
| 19:22.52 | JW | that happens even if the array full fully in-sync before I ran halt |
| 19:23.05 | bronaugh | and yeah. don't worry about it. |
| 19:23.06 | poisonbit | JW, more info in the debian bug tracking system |
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| 19:23.12 | JW | patrikf: I know that, but it's halting - should unmount gracefully |
| 19:23.16 | JW | ah ok |
| 19:23.33 | poisonbit | it's because the order of the scripts |
| 19:23.50 | poisonbit | but don't worry for data loss or something like |
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| 19:24.47 | JW | in the BTS what "package" would that be under - kernel? |
| 19:24.49 | JW | init? |
| 19:25.03 | miodi | BubbaT: have look at www.debian-desktop.org |
| 19:25.04 | poisonbit | mmm mdadm ? |
| 19:26.00 | poisonbit | JW, add this to your "first_boot_customizations.sh" script http://paste.debian.net/38152/ |
| 19:26.49 | JW | so what is "first_boot_customizations.sh" something custom I write and manually run at the end of every install? |
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| 19:27.29 | poisonbit | mm if you have a defined "check list" after install, and you know a bit of scriptng, sed, perl, awk, etc... yes |
| 19:27.31 | poisonbit | :) |
| 19:27.54 | valdyn | JW: that message is fine |
| 19:28.15 | valdyn | JW: Stopping MD array md0 (failed . . . busy) is not just fine, it has to happen |
| 19:28.33 | valdyn | JW: debian could only change the message, not that this happens |
| 19:28.43 | JW | poisonbit: I have a wiki page full of "do these things to a new install . . . " always run down the list manually. |
| 19:28.54 | poisonbit | here is the bugreport for that message http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506442 |
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| 19:29.12 | JW | I guess I never thought about automating it cause I don't always do each step to every machine - deponds on what the machine if for. |
| 19:29.26 | BubbaT | miodi, there's nothing in that site. |
| 19:29.34 | JW | And actually I won't be using software raid all that much so I guess I won't automate that either :-) |
| 19:29.37 | poisonbit | JW, preseed + scripting (if you manage so many machines) |
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| 19:29.54 | JW | what's preseed? |
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| 19:30.05 | poisonbit | preseed may choose diferent things for diferent machines, clases, hostnames, mac addresses |
| 19:30.16 | poisonbit | and your scripts also may do that decisions |
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| 19:31.04 | JW | I'm afraid I vary things so much that it's not worth. If I was doing many clones it would be a good idea though |
| 19:31.31 | poisonbit | you play, you test, you define... and then the machines are "auto-magically" deployed (to the end of the stage) |
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| 19:31.55 | poisonbit | manual work is fine to have the control, but it's not sclalable and it's time consuming |
| 19:32.00 | JW | yep |
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| 19:32.32 | poisonbit | the cofee machine has not to be so alone... preseed works... and you drink cofee |
| 19:32.48 | poisonbit | and the boss get his servers installed |
| 19:32.59 | JW | ;-) |
| 19:33.12 | JW | I'll put some more thought into that |
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| 19:35.24 | miodi | BubbaT: oh, sorry, i think you can get kde4 by upgrading to unstable but you might find more info at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 19:36.39 | abrotman | miodi: please don't tell people to do that |
| 19:36.54 | abrotman | BubbaT: see #debian-kde .. ask there |
| 19:37.22 | xaashi | hi, i asked this question before, but didn't quite understand what i |
| 19:37.22 | xaashi | needed. |
| 19:37.36 | xaashi | I have used debootstrap to create a minimal filesystem under a directory on a server, that i can now pxe-boot with nfs. Now that i'm done testing it, i need to install this filesystem + a bootloader on a number of devices. |
| 19:37.40 | JW | poisonbit: thanks a lot for all your help |
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| 19:37.59 | xaashi | I presume this means i need to generate a init-ramdisk and installer then dishout my minimal install - but sadly i have no idea where to start. any pointers/corrections/simplifications much appreciated |
| 19:38.04 | miodi | abrotman: ok, sorry :) |
| 19:38.04 | poisonbit | JW, you're welcome |
| 19:38.22 | abrotman | miodi: unless you're going to be here to support them, do not tell people to use unstable |
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| 19:39.51 | poisonbit | i think that sid is sid, because of sid vicious, rater than for toy story |
| 19:40.11 | abrotman | uh .. not likely |
| 19:40.20 | poisonbit | :-P |
| 19:40.32 | abrotman | why name it after a crappy bassist? :) |
| 19:40.54 | teratoma | JW: booting off of software raid1 /boot works for you ? |
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| 19:41.01 | JW | teratoma: yeah! |
| 19:41.09 | JW | teratoma: did you see all that? |
| 19:41.16 | teratoma | so you unplugged your primary drive, and you can reboot fine ? |
| 19:41.23 | JW | teratoma: almost. |
| 19:41.30 | teratoma | uh huh |
| 19:41.36 | JW | teratoma: this particular server won't boot off of the 2nd SATA port |
| 19:41.46 | JW | teratoma: that's a hardware problem, not a linux raid problem |
| 19:42.03 | JW | teratoma: but I was able to move the 2nd drive to the first SATA port and it works fine |
| 19:42.04 | poisonbit | teratoma, booting /boot from a md device is supported yes, just debian-installer don't fill both mbr's and must be done manually |
| 19:42.23 | teratoma | poisonbit: that sucks |
| 19:42.39 | JW | teratoma: incidentally, I forgot to install GRUB on the second disk, but I was able to -resintall grub with teh Lenny installer Rescue mode |
| 19:43.02 | teratoma | that all sounds like a lot of fun. i think the centos/redhat installer does that automatically |
| 19:43.02 | JW | yeah it would be nice if the installer was smart enough to install grub everywhere it needed to go |
| 19:43.28 | teratoma | or maybe not. i have had to install grub manually on the spare disk in software raid on centos before. |
| 19:43.35 | JW | but hey the actuall install was really easy! No manual fiddiling with fdisk and other commandline tools before installing. |
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| 19:43.56 | JW | teratoma: did you see poisonbit 's instructions, they're easy enough |
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| 19:44.16 | JW | teratoma: scroll down to the grub section http://www.texsoft.it/index.php?c=hardware&m=hw.storage.grubraid1&l=it |
| 19:44.35 | JW | teratoma: or even easier, put this in a script and run it: http://paste.debian.net/38152/ |
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| 19:46.15 | poisonbit | and don't forget to configure the MTA to geet root alerts about any raid degradation |
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| 19:46.29 | JW | poisonbit: yeah I haven't delt with that. |
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| 19:46.51 | JW | I saw some instruction suggest that you make . . . I thnk it was mdadm . . . runs as a daemon and send alerts, |
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| 19:47.08 | poisonbit | yes |
| 19:47.10 | JW | but then what if that fails? Some article said go search freshmeat for raid monitors - I haven't done that yet |
| 19:47.15 | JW | I |
| 19:47.25 | JW | I'll integrate it whti Nagios some how, I guess |
| 19:47.51 | JW | teratoma: so it's not perfect but it's better than you thought, I believe :-) |
| 19:48.01 | teratoma | JW: true |
| 19:48.07 | poisonbit | yes, may be... anyway it has never failed to me (i've get alerts when shit happens) |
| 19:48.57 | poisonbit | anyway tes, external monitoring, is better than only "internal" monitoring |
| 19:48.59 | poisonbit | yes |
| 19:49.20 | JW | poisonbit: what do you use for monitoring, Nagios? |
| 19:49.25 | poisonbit | nop |
| 19:49.29 | poisonbit | custom perl scripts |
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| 19:49.37 | poisonbit | rrdtool and a frontend |
| 19:49.47 | poisonbit | a fork of apticron |
| 19:49.53 | poisonbit | and some other hacks |
| 19:50.05 | poisonbit | very huggly |
| 19:50.10 | poisonbit | :) |
| 19:50.27 | JW | heh |
| 19:50.53 | teratoma | is documentation only in your head |
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| 19:50.57 | teratoma | you will be employed forever |
| 19:51.00 | JW | I have a love-hate relationship with Nagios. It's really good in some ways. But It's much, much too complicated to setup. Think, to add a new server, I have to edit like 3 files. That's gross. And it's too difficult to control escalation and deal with false-positives. |
| 19:51.07 | JW | yeah job security |
| 19:51.34 | dkr | can't you add have it autoscan for servers and also add them from web interface? |
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| 19:51.53 | JW | I get a fair number of false positives where it apparently wasn't able to make a connection (who knows why, I never have other network trouble) and so it sends an alert out evern though the service is just peachy fine. |
| 19:52.07 | JW | dkr: if I could, I never new it |
| 19:52.13 | dkr | only tried it once myself, though. I stick with my custom perl for feeding stats to mrtg and sysmon with it's one simple nested config for outage notifications |
| 19:52.28 | JW | dkr: besides that wont work, I only want certain things monitored. AUto-scanning sounds like a dreadful idea |
| 19:52.31 | JW | in my case |
| 19:52.44 | JW | it would pick up way too much stuff. |
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| 19:58.36 | johnwittle | The #ubuntu people were unable to help me, as usual, but I figure this question is a debian question so i'll go ahead and ask it (and if someone tells me not to ask if i can ask i'll /me punch them) |
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| 19:59.06 | johnwittle | I currently have a fully function operating system in a 20 GB partition that mounts to /, and a home partition (150GB) that mounts to /home |
| 19:59.29 | JW | say "on" not "to" :-D |
| 19:59.45 | johnwittle | s/to/on |
| 19:59.47 | johnwittle | anyway |
| 19:59.57 | johnwittle | I want to install a new gnu/linux over the root partition |
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| 20:00.05 | johnwittle | but keep my home partition, and have it still mount ON /home |
| 20:00.10 | johnwittle | and keep the same user name, etc |
| 20:00.20 | johnwittle | this doesn't seem to be possible from the debian install script |
| 20:00.38 | johnwittle | and i want to make sure that a) it'll be possible afterwards and b) i will not accidently format my 150gb home partition |
| 20:01.02 | abrotman | johnwittle: you should ask #ubuntu, we cannot support Ubuntu here |
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| 20:01.05 | poisonbit | JW, that is an old screenshot: http://jungle.homedns.org/monitor.png |
| 20:01.28 | poisonbit | JW, all goes using ssh + oper rsa key |
| 20:01.34 | JW | right |
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| 20:02.04 | johnwittle | okay, then, abrotman. I have an identical computer with an identical setup with debian on it, and I am trying to reinstall debian over it completely without losing my home partition. |
| 20:02.06 | johnwittle | Now can you help? |
| 20:02.12 | abrotman | johnwittle: that's not funny |
| 20:02.20 | abrotman | if #ubuntu cannot help you, try ##linux |
| 20:02.42 | johnwittle | why can #debian not help me? #ubuntu told me that it was debian's install script's fault for not having the ability to do so. |
| 20:03.25 | abrotman | it's their distro .. ask them .. if they can't support their own users, maybe they should stop distributing their version |
| 20:03.51 | poisonbit | johnwittle, use what you use... do backups |
| 20:03.53 | adb | what's sources list for oldstable (etch) that debian-installer need ? debian-installer has no dists case of oldstabe , and stable case has no valid mirrors |
| 20:04.12 | adb | ? |
| 20:04.12 | abrotman | adb: i'd disconnect it from the internet, and set them up later |
| 20:04.32 | JW | johnwittle: just ignore the /home partition completely, do a new install, make sure you reuse the same username, and after the install, log in as root, "mv /home /home-2 ; mkdir /home" then edit /etc/fstab, add the entry for your old home partition, mount it (mount /home) and your done |
| 20:04.34 | adb | oh |
| 20:04.40 | JW | johnwittle: yeah, and do backups |
| 20:04.45 | abrotman | JW: if you want to support him, go to #ubuntu |
| 20:04.53 | poisonbit | adb, deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main |
| 20:05.03 | JW | abrotman: that was a debian-specifc answer, I don't know anything about Ubuntu |
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| 20:05.26 | abrotman | he's not using debian .. hopefully you didn't just destroy his computer |
| 20:06.25 | JW | abrotman: well, I gave him a Debian answer to the Debian part of his question. He's responsible for what he does with the information, isn't he? |
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| 20:06.43 | abrotman | JW: you're partially responsible, you knew he wasn't running debian |
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| 20:07.11 | RoenieSrvr | i removed an nvidia card and inserted an ati card, changed my xorg.conf to a basic one, added 60hz and 2560x1600 (30" lcd) but the highest resolution i can select in KDE is 1920x1440 |
| 20:07.16 | JW | johnwittle: disclamer: use my advise at your own risk you will probably lose all your data so make backups first |
| 20:07.17 | RoenieSrvr | what could be going on? |
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| 20:07.36 | abrotman | RoenieSrvr: using fglrx or radeon ? |
| 20:07.51 | RoenieSrvr | neither |
| 20:08.05 | abrotman | vesa? |
| 20:08.21 | RoenieSrvr | i'll pastebin the xorg.conf, sec |
| 20:08.31 | johnwittle | JW, as ##linux gave the same advice I will go ahead after backing up my /home. Thank you. |
| 20:08.33 | ranix | THIS ADVICE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR ``AS IS'' AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR B |
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| 20:08.59 | ranix | abrotman: there you go |
| 20:09.03 | JW | ranix: thank you ;-) |
| 20:10.06 | abrotman | or b ? |
| 20:10.15 | JW | yeah B didn't print |
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| 20:12.40 | gorp | seems that /etc/networking/interface configuration method do not handle parameters such as ethernet speed or mode |
| 20:12.43 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:13.08 | RoenieSrvr | abrotman, http://paste.lisp.org/+1QTX |
| 20:13.12 | kukman | Hi. I have squashfs image and I need to edit it. How can i do this? |
| 20:13.45 | poisonbit | gorp, use up down, pre-up or post-down hooks and ethtool |
| 20:14.02 | kukman | I mounted it with unionfs, but I have larger image then source (I need to replace files only) |
| 20:14.34 | JW | abrotman: may I pm you for a minute? |
| 20:14.44 | RoenieSrvr | abrotman, for some reason KDE gives me 61Hz as the only refreshrate option |
| 20:15.16 | RoenieSrvr | that might be just what it getsd from display though |
| 20:15.26 | RoenieSrvr | (i noticed 61hz as an option on windows too) |
| 20:15.27 | gorp | poisonbit, yeah, of course, that's the way to do it, but i think it might be interesting to integrate that as a standard features |
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| 20:15.37 | RoenieSrvr | (or 59, can't remember) |
| 20:15.42 | poisonbit | gorp, like in this example, but using ethtool instead of the "ip" command: http://paste.debian.net/38156/ |
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| 20:16.12 | poisonbit | gorp, (tested) patches are always welcome in debian :) |
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| 20:16.42 | gorp | poisonbit, you're right ;-) |
| 20:16.44 | JW | poisonbit: http://jungle.homedns.org/monitor.png <-- oooo, I like it |
| 20:16.57 | JW | poisonbit: the primary web interface - you made it from scratch or coped something? |
| 20:16.57 | poisonbit | JW, that is old |
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| 20:17.07 | poisonbit | from scratch |
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| 20:17.26 | JW | poisonbit: I wish for a copy! |
| 20:17.44 | JW | poisonbit: man, GPL it quick ;-) |
| 20:17.47 | poisonbit | JW, also, using custom scripts in perl trougth ssh, you can do instructions for a fellow to follow: http://jungle.homedns.org/updates.png |
| 20:18.16 | JW | unfortunately I don't read spanish |
| 20:18.23 | poisonbit | an ssh key and sudo limited to aptitude hooks, and the boy will do the updates :) |
| 20:18.25 | JW | Or is that portuges |
| 20:18.33 | poisonbit | spanish |
| 20:18.53 | poisonbit | it is "personalized" instructions for each machine with updates |
| 20:19.05 | poisonbit | a perl fork of the apticron package |
| 20:19.11 | poisonbit | (i hate snakes) :-P |
| 20:19.14 | JW | never heard of apticron |
| 20:19.26 | poisonbit | :-O |
| 20:19.34 | abrotman | JW: sure |
| 20:19.40 | poisonbit | a "must have" in a server |
| 20:20.02 | abrotman | RoenieSrvr: oyu might need to use the radeon driver or even fglrx |
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| 20:21.46 | poisonbit | is vesa resolution limits documented anywhere (than the code) ? |
| 20:22.22 | RoenieSrvr | abrotman, i tried "ati", it comes up with an error: RADEON: No matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:4:0:0) found |
| 20:22.33 | jelly-home | poisonbit: available modes depend on what's in BIOS, if that's what you're looking after |
| 20:22.42 | RoenieSrvr | so i added BusID PCI:4:0:0 to the conf, after which startx: |
| 20:22.43 | abrotman | RoenieSrvr: which version fo debian ? |
| 20:22.56 | RoenieSrvr | abrotman, i tried "ati", it comes up with an error: RADEON: No matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:3:0:0) found |
| 20:23.09 | poisonbit | jelly, there was a command to list available modes ? |
| 20:23.13 | RoenieSrvr | (note the 3, sry to repeat the rest) |
| 20:23.16 | abrotman | xrandr -q |
| 20:23.25 | RoenieSrvr | HD4870X2.. it seems to be detecting 2 cards |
| 20:23.45 | RoenieSrvr | lenny, btw |
| 20:23.47 | poisonbit | thnks abrotman |
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| 20:24.40 | adb | poisonbit: yes , but "debian-installer has no dists case of 'oldstabe' but only stable , and newer/higher and this will brake installing process of a 'stable' release when it become an 'oldstable' ; that's the case of etch dist right now |
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| 20:25.45 | poisonbit | adb, mmm may be you can change to tty2 during install and hack sources in / or in /target... but i've never done that |
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| 20:26.00 | jelly-home | poisonbit: vga=ask boot param listed them |
| 20:26.15 | adb | choosing of the mirror is made before /target is done |
| 20:26.42 | poisonbit | jelly, thats for framebuffer... not the xorg vesa driver, don't ? |
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| 20:27.50 | poisonbit | adb, there was a version of the installer... that asked which version do you want to install (i don't remember if it include oldstable) |
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| 20:28.02 | Dracie | hi how do i disable dmix in alsa |
| 20:28.13 | jelly-home | poisonbit: yes |
| 20:28.19 | poisonbit | adb, may be the experimental netinst or testing, i don't remember |
| 20:28.56 | adb | i can use only floppy installer on that machine |
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| 20:29.15 | Neozonz | I'm trying to setup a SVN to track changes to server configuration files on multiple different servers, anyone have any guides or any advice on going about this? |
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| 20:29.39 | abrotman | !etckeeper |
| 20:29.41 | tralala | avoid svn |
| 20:29.42 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 20:29.48 | abrotman | dpkg: info etckeeper lenny |
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| 20:30.06 | Neozonz | tralala, any reason? |
| 20:30.14 | poisonbit | metadata |
| 20:30.18 | poisonbit | and velocity |
| 20:30.21 | dpkg | etckeeper: (store /etc in git, mercurial, or bzr), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.21 (lenny), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 292 kB |
| 20:30.59 | poisonbit | Neozonz, etckeeper also complain about dist-upgrades, persmisions, etc, and git is faster than svn |
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| 20:31.32 | Neozonz | I just need something to keep track of changes to server configuration files |
| 20:31.54 | Neozonz | and revert back to old versions when needed |
| 20:31.55 | tralala | Neozonz, it's old and (imo) obsolete. There are much better VCSs out there. |
| 20:32.25 | poisonbit | Neozonz, and UMASK your files when restore ? |
| 20:32.32 | tralala | anyway apparently there's already a tool for this purpose |
| 20:32.40 | poisonbit | and remember to commit after every upgrade ? |
| 20:33.30 | Neozonz | nope... |
| 20:33.43 | Neozonz | any that automatically track without commit? |
| 20:33.44 | poisonbit | apply your umask... and of course chown them whit your $UID:$GUID |
| 20:33.54 | poisonbit | etckeeper :) |
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| 20:34.15 | Neozonz | does it store the repository on a different server? |
| 20:34.37 | poisonbit | you can use local VCS it you want |
| 20:34.41 | poisonbit | or remote, yes |
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| 20:35.28 | poisonbit | and is developed, by a Debian Developer... so be happy about "debian" integration |
| 20:37.30 | Neozonz | how about files that aren't stored in etc? |
| 20:37.37 | poisonbit | by default it works locally |
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| 20:38.52 | poisonbit | they aren't tracked :-/ |
| 20:39.04 | Neozonz | can they be added? |
| 20:39.17 | poisonbit | mmm if i remember well... no |
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| 20:40.07 | Neozonz | bah.. |
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| 20:41.56 | poisonbit | Neozonz, I've user svn some years from some servers... what was your question ? |
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| 20:43.31 | poisonbit | if you use it out of standar files (find . -type -f) vcs's can't track special files as sockets, devices, fifos, etc |
| 20:44.18 | Neozonz | Well, I was hoping that I could setup a server to track all the games to all configuration files that I specify on other servers |
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| 20:44.43 | Neozonz | dns config files, /etc config files, and other files |
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| 20:45.15 | Neozonz | games=changes |
| 20:45.23 | Neozonz | not sure why I said games... brain fried |
| 20:45.24 | poisonbit | which dns have you out of /etc... bjbdns? tinydns? |
| 20:46.20 | poisonbit | the only recomendation i can give... is firewall the svn and protect well the access (use ssh keys for authz, etc) |
| 20:46.20 | Neozonz | BIND |
| 20:46.24 | teratoma | i guess writing to a LVM snapshot is really stupid ! |
| 20:46.40 | poisonbit | bind out of /etc?... chrooted, true ? |
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| 20:47.13 | Neozonz | I believe so |
| 20:47.26 | abrotman | Neozonz: it's still in /etc/ |
| 20:47.30 | abrotman | /etc/bind/ |
| 20:47.56 | bronaugh | /etc/whips, /etc/chains |
| 20:48.02 | Neozonz | ah i see |
| 20:48.46 | Neozonz | now how does gits come into this? |
| 20:49.02 | bronaugh | bring out the gits? |
| 20:49.06 | Neozonz | *git |
| 20:49.07 | bronaugh | oh, wait. that was gimp. |
| 20:49.14 | poisonbit | the only trackable (in a VCS way) thing i've out of /etc is scripts in $HOME/bin or /usr/local/{bin,sbin} |
| 20:49.55 | poisonbit | and thay are also in VCS... and not edited "in" the servers |
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| 20:50.39 | Neozonz | I think I need to play around with VCS and see how it works |
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| 20:50.45 | Neozonz | i'm not sure i understand it properly |
| 20:51.18 | iwkse_ | hi, i can't find the package for debug symbols for libselinux, the only solution is to compile it? |
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| 20:52.27 | poisonbit | iwkse_, i don't know how debian selinux packages are compiled, but the answer smells to yes |
| 20:52.57 | bronaugh | doesn't seem to be a -dbg package |
| 20:53.03 | iwkse_ | poisonbit: it's not too hard with dh_make |
| 20:53.09 | poisonbit | :) |
| 20:53.10 | iwkse_ | yes i notice |
| 20:53.24 | iwkse_ | i was looking a bug report about ubuntu |
| 20:53.26 | poisonbit | iwkse_, also avoid striping may be useful for debuging |
| 20:53.31 | iwkse_ | they have another system for debug symbols |
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| 20:53.50 | iwkse_ | poisonbit: that's it, debian packages are stripped |
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| 20:53.56 | poisonbit | yes |
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| 20:54.56 | poisonbit | add to the to-do test selinux any day |
| 20:55.58 | poisonbit | there is a selinux debian online, where anybody can access as (limited) root |
| 20:56.07 | poisonbit | i don't remember where i see that |
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| 20:56.40 | poisonbit | http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/play.html |
| 20:58.15 | wooj | will changing my eeepc's ram from 1gb to 2gb give me any kind of significant speed increase, given that it only has a 900mhz CPU? I'm just trying to decide if its worth the $30. |
| 20:58.47 | bronaugh | should give a decent boost. |
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| 20:58.57 | poisonbit | wooj, monitor your system when you feel it slow |
| 20:59.10 | bronaugh | mostly because the not-so-speedy SSD in it will be cached better. |
| 20:59.10 | poisonbit | may be also disk I/O, CPU, etc |
| 20:59.17 | wooj | poisonbit, it tends to lag when firefox is loading pages with lots of script, etc. |
| 20:59.26 | binrapt | wooj what OS do you run on it? |
| 20:59.34 | wooj | binrapt, umm.. debian ? :) |
| 20:59.37 | quoojUdnik5 | hai, is there some utility providing bash-like completion for apt packages names? |
| 20:59.42 | binrapt | Oh I missed the channel name sorry |
| 20:59.50 | dmoerner | quoojUdnik5, bash-completion includes that |
| 20:59.52 | poisonbit | quoojUdnik5, bash-completion does it |
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| 21:00.10 | wooj | quoojUdnik5, it does it, but I think you have to type sudo apt-get for it to work as a normal user. |
| 21:00.15 | binrapt | 512 -> 1024 was a huge change for me on my Celeron M 1.83 Ghz notebook, 1024 -> 2048 not so much |
| 21:00.15 | quoojUdnik5 | thx, i'll check |
| 21:00.30 | binrapt | But sure it helps |
| 21:00.33 | wooj | binrapt, hmm. Okay. |
| 21:00.44 | wooj | I want to upgrade, but I am poor right now :) |
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| 21:01.22 | poisonbit | wooj, or include in the root .bashrc: if [ -e /etc/bash_completion ] ; do . /etc/bash/completion ; done |
| 21:01.29 | poisonbit | (online) |
| 21:01.33 | foyfoytos | hi. i'm trying to setup a wireless connection with WPA. i did everything as shown in howto's-manuals but when i try to ifup my wireless interface it doesn't wotk showing and error SCIOWAUTH : operation not permitted! any1 knows any possible reason? i'm using the wext driver |
| 21:01.35 | poisonbit | (one line) |
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| 21:01.51 | wooj | foyfoytos, you're using wpa_supplicant ? |
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| 21:02.02 | foyfoytos | wooj : yes |
| 21:02.49 | wooj | foyfoytos, have you tried changing your router from, say, wpa2 to wpa, or vice versa, or AES to TKIP, or something? |
| 21:03.00 | foyfoytos | wooj : i just edited /etc/network/interface like this |
| 21:03.02 | foyfoytos | yes |
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| 21:03.17 | wooj | foyfoytos, paste your wpa conf to pastebin? |
| 21:04.08 | foyfoytos | iface ra0 inet dhcp \\ wireless-essid blabla \\ wpa-driver wext \\ wpa-ssid blabla wpa-psk XXXXX |
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| 21:04.26 | wooj | umm... |
| 21:04.43 | foyfoytos | not in linux now.. can't connect to internet there.. still trying to |
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| 21:04.57 | poisonbit | wooj, about your eeepc... sure that more ram will help (also to the internal kernel disk caches, etc), but may be your firefox continue feeling "slow" on some pages, etc, because of cpu |
| 21:05.04 | foyfoytos | it's a usb stick with rt3070 chip ralink |
| 21:05.09 | wooj | poisonbit, okay, I can live with that. |
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| 21:05.57 | poisonbit | wooj, some people, mounts firefox cache on a tmpfs (in ram) to speed up a bit |
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| 21:06.02 | wooj | foyfoytos, you ought to have a file with something like this in it - http://pastebin.ca/1449104 |
| 21:06.17 | wooj | with your ssid and pw in it. wpa_supplicant reads that. |
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| 21:06.48 | foyfoytos | wooj : not really... |
| 21:06.52 | wooj | wpa_supplicant -c /etc/wpa/wpa.conf -D wext -dd -i ra0 -B |
| 21:06.55 | wooj | or whatever. |
| 21:06.56 | quoojUdnik5 | bash-completion rawks |
| 21:07.08 | foyfoytos | it's only useful if u run wap-supplicant by hand as daemon |
| 21:07.14 | wooj | foyfoytos, well yes. |
| 21:07.38 | foyfoytos | the previous way ...editing the interfaces file... runs wpa_supplicant with the options passed in it... |
| 21:07.41 | wooj | foyfoytos, if you have X up and running, maybe just download the deb for wicd and install that. |
| 21:07.43 | poisonbit | quoojUdnik5, it's very cool, not only for apt, also for iptables, VCS's, and lot of programas like modprobe, etc, etc |
| 21:07.48 | foyfoytos | so it doesn't need the conf in this case |
| 21:08.13 | wooj | foyfoytos, I only have done it with the conf, unfortunately. |
| 21:08.18 | foyfoytos | but i tried that too with no result |
| 21:08.22 | wooj | hm |
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| 21:08.35 | wooj | foyfoytos, can you connect to your router with security disabled? |
| 21:08.38 | wooj | just as a test case? |
| 21:08.39 | foyfoytos | can't download wicd... no internet.... |
| 21:08.49 | poisonbit | quoojUdnik5, if you want only one tab (not two) put in your ~/.inputrc that: set show-all-if-ambiguous on |
| 21:08.54 | wooj | foyfoytos, you're online now. You can download it and copy it to usb drive? |
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| 21:09.17 | foyfoytos | wooj : it's not my router but a neighbour's .. he just gave me the wpapsk key... |
| 21:09.25 | foyfoytos | i'm in win2k |
| 21:09.34 | wooj | poisonbit, the *only* think I don't like about bash-completion is when there's 1000+ options and it lags ;) |
| 21:09.40 | foyfoytos | i have no idea what packages that needs |
| 21:09.45 | wooj | foyfoytos, so? download the .deb and use dpkg to install it in linux |
| 21:10.11 | poisonbit | wooj, thats on your eeepc :-P |
| 21:10.17 | foyfoytos | it needs way too many packages as deps.... it's very very difficult |
| 21:10.17 | wooj | poisonbit, well yes :P |
| 21:10.30 | quoojUdnik5 | but why did it removed my java? |
| 21:10.50 | wooj | foyfoytos, I'd try to connect to your router with no security to make sure it works. |
| 21:10.59 | wooj | if that fails, then its not a WPA issue. |
| 21:11.02 | foyfoytos | it does in windows |
| 21:11.14 | wooj | foyfoytos, yes, but you need to do it in linux. |
| 21:11.25 | wooj | eliminiate possibilities so you know where the problem lies. |
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| 21:12.52 | foyfoytos | i read the man of wpa_supplicant in the drivers section in it saying that wext driver is not supporting WPA... |
| 21:13.07 | foyfoytos | does it have to do something with the version maybe? |
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| 21:15.23 | quoojUdnik5 | what are the weird /\[-?[0-9]\]/ which aptitude shows after something being done with packages and having some conflicts or wat |
| 21:16.23 | wooj | foyfoytos, wext works with wpa, what version of debian have you got? |
| 21:16.36 | wooj | I *know* it works in lenny. |
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| 21:16.47 | foyfoytos | rc4.0r5 |
| 21:16.55 | foyfoytos | 2.6.18 |
| 21:17.23 | wooj | Oh, thats older. Hm. |
| 21:17.47 | wooj | foyfoytos, I'd get lenny if I were you in general. |
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| 21:18.30 | foyfoytos | what other driver should i use for my ralink chip then? there is no ralink driver |
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| 21:18.42 | abrotman | there is a .24 kernel for etch .. apt-cache search etchnhalf |
| 21:20.01 | ultraj6 | http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ |
| 21:20.08 | ultraj6 | all the linux wireless driver stuff you need to know |
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| 21:20.21 | wooj | stupid Canadian gov't. |
| 21:20.31 | ultraj6 | all governments are stupid |
| 21:20.36 | wooj | I *have* to use Sun Java on their sites... OpenJDK plugin doesn't work. |
| 21:20.41 | wooj | sighs |
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| 21:20.54 | asdzxc | hi |
| 21:21.02 | yareckon_ | don't they know their information wants to be free? |
| 21:21.05 | ultraj6 | like it doesn't function? |
| 21:21.08 | ultraj6 | or it fails compliance |
| 21:21.27 | asdzxc | can i somwhow force application to run only on one of my processors ? |
| 21:21.33 | ultraj6 | yes |
| 21:21.43 | asdzxc | how ? |
| 21:21.48 | yareckon_ | perks up ears |
| 21:21.49 | foyfoytos | wooj : ...and something else... thereis a dat file for my driver what options should i pass there? should i pass any? http://pastebin.ca/1449121 |
| 21:21.54 | wooj | ultraj6, I get a applet trust dialog, and then it tells me I don't have the right software. |
| 21:21.58 | ultraj6 | don't know ive seen it done |
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| 21:22.14 | asdzxc | ultraj6: i saw one application which was able to do this |
| 21:22.20 | yareckon_ | grumble grumble |
| 21:22.23 | wooj | foyfoytos, unfortunately I don't know anything about RAlink. I can't help you there :( |
| 21:22.43 | patrikf | asdzxc: use taskset |
| 21:22.43 | asdzxc | ultraj6: but it wasn't working for newly created processes - for example Apache is creating new processes all the time |
| 21:22.51 | ultraj6 | foyfoytos look up your wireless adapter in this database http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ |
| 21:22.55 | ultraj6 | and see if it will work |
| 21:23.02 | asdzxc | patrikf: can i use it for Apache ? |
| 21:23.18 | asdzxc | patrikf: will also new processes run on that processor ? |
| 21:23.25 | ultraj6 | i know you can configure apache to be multithreaded |
| 21:23.35 | ultraj6 | i know you can optimize it to do what you want |
| 21:23.41 | ultraj6 | i just don't know how |
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| 21:23.47 | ultraj6 | there is a way don't give up |
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| 21:24.51 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 21:24.51 | dpkg | To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an existing network interface: grep PHYSDEVDRIVER /sys/class/net/*/uevent |
| 21:25.11 | streuner_ | !beer abrotman |
| 21:25.12 | dpkg | pulls out a nicely refined Jever for abrotman |
| 21:25.20 | ultraj6 | lol |
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| 21:26.54 | yareckon_ | asdzxc, give it a shot and let us know |
| 21:27.10 | quoojUdnik5 | is there a way how to re-bind the middleclick paste on right button when in consoles? |
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| 21:27.12 | asdzxc | yareckon_: i think taskset is what i was tring before |
| 21:27.33 | asdzxc | yareckon_: problem is that newly created processes (created by Apache) were running on random processor/core |
| 21:27.39 | yareckon_ | but the new processes kept being spawed on the other cpus |
| 21:27.42 | asdzxc | yareckon_: no matter what was set by taskset |
| 21:27.56 | yareckon_ | hmm.. it does work on a PID basis |
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| 21:28.12 | asdzxc | i need newly processes to be created on one processor |
| 21:28.19 | asdzxc | cos second is probably deffective |
| 21:28.35 | asdzxc | so i need to somehow try to NOT use it |
| 21:28.35 | poisonbit | outch |
| 21:28.45 | yareckon_ | wow |
| 21:28.59 | foyfoytos | ultraj6 : that wireless databse u said.. doesn't even include my adapter ( Planet WNL-u554 ralink rt3070 ) |
| 21:29.13 | wooj | asdzxc, you could use a non-smp kernel maybe? |
| 21:29.30 | asdzxc | wooj: yes that's an option, but it needs a reboot |
| 21:29.31 | yareckon_ | that makes sense if it even boots on the right one :) |
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| 21:29.56 | wooj | yareckon_, yeah, that could be awkward. |
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| 21:30.33 | asdzxc | maybe it's possible to tell linux scheduler to not use one processor ? |
| 21:31.01 | yareckon_ | sounds good to me... but I'm not hte one to help you there |
| 21:31.18 | ultraj6 | i dont' think configuring apache that way is the proper way |
| 21:31.32 | ultraj6 | but i could be wrong |
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| 21:31.47 | yareckon_ | or hack apache to tasksel each process it spawns |
| 21:31.50 | ultraj6 | foyfoytos can you take apart your adapter or look at it and see what the chip on it says? |
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| 21:31.51 | wooj | asdzxc, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/setting-processor-affinity-certain-task-or-process.html |
| 21:31.51 | yareckon_ | ^^ worst idea ever |
| 21:32.43 | yareckon_ | asdzxc, have you googled for failing processor etc.. |
| 21:33.03 | yareckon_ | there has to be some bearded admin somewhere that wrestled with this issue before ye |
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| 21:33.09 | ultraj6 | lol |
| 21:33.11 | asdzxc | yareckon_: yes, i also have some logs from mce |
| 21:33.18 | asdzxc | wooj: thnx but it's about that taskset |
| 21:33.22 | yareckon_ | on his box with 3 ysars of uptime |
| 21:33.42 | ultraj6 | i couldn't have a box running for 3 years of uptime unless i had a generator |
| 21:33.58 | wooj | you could set maxcpus=1 on boot but again, you'd need a reboot |
| 21:34.05 | asdzxc | yareckon_: btw i need to test this with Apache cos Apache processes are segfaulting since i installed new processor |
| 21:34.17 | yareckon_ | whoa, so you did reboot |
| 21:34.26 | yareckon_ | just pull the damn thing out again :) |
| 21:34.48 | yareckon_ | or is the problem that you didn't reboot to install the new proc :) |
| 21:34.50 | asdzxc | hm :) i will look at this, i don't like the idea of replacing the kernel |
| 21:35.01 | asdzxc | but this looks good cos it will use same (worknig) kernel |
| 21:35.08 | wooj | I can't find a way to disable a CPU on the fly, i'd just boot with maxcpus=1 in your grub boot line. |
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| 21:37.11 | yareckon_ | asdzxc, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-rhel-centos-redhat-suse-hotplug-cpu/ |
| 21:37.24 | wooj | well damn. |
| 21:37.27 | ultraj6 | lol |
| 21:37.31 | ultraj6 | does that mean you can pull it out |
| 21:37.33 | ultraj6 | lol |
| 21:37.44 | ultraj6 | oh |
| 21:37.45 | ultraj6 | yes |
| 21:37.46 | wooj | ultraj6, lol that'd be impressive |
| 21:37.53 | ultraj6 | s |
| 21:37.53 | ultraj6 | Once done, you can can actually remove CPU if your BIOS and vendor supports such operation. |
| 21:37.58 | ultraj6 | thats what that article says |
| 21:38.01 | wooj | nice. |
| 21:38.02 | ultraj6 | thats pretty awesome |
| 21:38.16 | ultraj6 | i wonder if you can do that with an hp dl580 |
| 21:38.16 | asdzxc | hmm |
| 21:38.44 | yareckon_ | I love it, even the cpus on linux are a file |
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| 21:38.57 | abrotman | !enter |
| 21:38.57 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 21:39.20 | poisonbit | cool link yareckon_ |
| 21:39.20 | yareckon_ | ultraj6, abrotman fight! |
| 21:39.35 | ultraj6 | can i has battle nao? |
| 21:39.37 | wooj | !giantsquid |
| 21:39.51 | asdzxc | problem is |
| 21:39.58 | poisonbit | shit-down -h now |
| 21:39.59 | ultraj6 | !johnmccain |
| 21:40.01 | asdzxc | that there's not 'online' file for every cpu |
| 21:40.04 | abrotman | lay off the bot |
| 21:40.09 | asdzxc | there's only one 'online' |
| 21:40.14 | asdzxc | /sys/devices/system/cpu/online |
| 21:40.23 | asdzxc | and there's: |
| 21:40.24 | asdzxc | 0-7 |
| 21:40.38 | wooj | asdzxc, you have cpu0 - cpu7 ? |
| 21:40.49 | asdzxc | yes, but these are cores |
| 21:40.57 | asdzxc | i have two quadcore processors |
| 21:41.02 | asdzxc | BUT |
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| 21:41.37 | asdzxc | cores 0 1 4 5 are first processor and cores 2 3 6 7 are second |
| 21:42.17 | ultraj6 | perfectly intuitive |
| 21:42.24 | wooj | lol |
| 21:42.26 | ultraj6 | what if you have 4 processors? |
| 21:42.27 | poisonbit | you can see that with lshw |
| 21:42.27 | yareckon_ | nicely collated |
| 21:42.32 | asdzxc | :) so if there's not possible to do '0-1,4-5' then i don't know how to enable only one CPU |
| 21:42.43 | yareckon_ | one at a time |
| 21:42.58 | asdzxc | yes, one (with all cores) at a time |
| 21:43.12 | yareckon_ | no, just do them in series |
| 21:43.12 | poisonbit | asdf, follow the cibercity instructions, one core at a time |
| 21:43.24 | poisonbit | 4 times |
| 21:44.01 | asdzxc | poisonbit: there's not 'online |
| 21:44.05 | asdzxc | ' files for all cores |
| 21:44.12 | yareckon_ | hmm.. |
| 21:44.15 | asdzxc | there's only one 'online' files, as i write before |
| 21:44.20 | asdzxc | /sys/devices/system/cpu/online |
| 21:44.24 | asdzxc | which has 0-7 inside |
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| 21:44.37 | ultraj6 | so all your cores are online |
| 21:44.42 | asdzxc | # cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/online |
| 21:44.42 | asdzxc | 0-7 |
| 21:44.58 | asdzxc | poisonbit: so there's not way how to disable only one core at a time |
| 21:45.15 | asdzxc | poisonbit: i probably need to put a range of cores there |
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| 21:45.39 | wooj | Q: How do i logically offline a CPU? |
| 21:45.40 | wooj | 179A: Do the following. |
| 21:45.40 | wooj | 180 |
| 21:45.40 | wooj | 181#echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuX/online |
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| 21:45.47 | asdzxc | poisonbit: but cores 0 1 4 5 are first processor and cores 2 3 6 7 are second |
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| 21:45.52 | wooj | whups |
| 21:45.55 | yareckon_ | woops |
| 21:46.12 | asdzxc | wooj: |
| 21:46.15 | asdzxc | # cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/online |
| 21:46.17 | asdzxc | cat: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/online: No such file or directory |
| 21:46.20 | wooj | so make one |
| 21:46.25 | wooj | to diasable the cpu |
| 21:46.29 | wooj | I think |
| 21:46.37 | asdzxc | you cannot make file in /sys :) |
| 21:46.40 | ultraj6 | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Talk:How_to_make_use_of_Dynamic_Frequency_Scaling |
| 21:46.43 | asdzxc | it's something like /proc |
| 21:46.45 | ultraj6 | maybe that has something |
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| 21:47.02 | wooj | asdzxc, oh here |
| 21:47.20 | wooj | http://pastebin.ca/1449166 |
| 21:47.24 | ultraj6 | Is it possible to disable one core of the dual core processor? |
| 21:47.25 | ultraj6 | Yes. If you have CONFIG_HOTPLUG_CPU=y, CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y, CONFIG_ACPI_HOTPLUG_CPU=y in kernel config. |
| 21:47.30 | wooj | looks like cpu0 might not have an online file |
| 21:47.33 | wooj | do any of the others? |
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| 21:48.07 | asdzxc | ultraj6: yes, this is the problem |
| 21:48.09 | asdzxc | wooj: no |
| 21:48.17 | wooj | http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/cpu-hotplug.txt btw. |
| 21:48.22 | themill | judd kconfig HOTPLUG_CPU |
| 21:48.24 | judd | themill: Searching for 'HOTPLUG_CPU' in lenny kernel config gives HOTPLUG_CPU=y ACPI_HOTPLUG_CPU=y. |
| 21:48.29 | asdzxc | ultraj6: i don't think i have this, cos i have my own kernel and i don't remember to include these |
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| 21:48.39 | ultraj6 | rebuild it! |
| 21:48.44 | wooj | new kernel tiem nao! |
| 21:48.46 | themill | (should just use debian kernels then...) |
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| 21:49.02 | ultraj6 | there may be things in the debian kernel he doesn't need |
| 21:49.13 | asdzxc | TONS of things :) |
| 21:49.24 | poisonbit | but dont use CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=4 with make-kpkg |
| 21:49.25 | wooj | he can just add cpu hotplug to his conf and rebuild |
| 21:49.36 | poisonbit | or your fucked processor will croak |
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| 21:50.27 | yareckon_ | which cpus have online files |
| 21:50.29 | stuckey | Anyone here know how to use btreannounce? |
| 21:50.50 | wooj | yareckon_, probably none since he doesnt have cpu hotplug enabled in his kernel |
| 21:50.58 | poisonbit | asdzxc, anyway... are you going to reboot to put the new kernel online ? :-) |
| 21:51.02 | yareckon_ | sorry, was behind |
| 21:51.35 | wooj | but it does seem like rebuilding the kernel with hotplug enabled and then just turning off the crap CPU should work |
| 21:51.45 | asdzxc | poisonbit: i will think about it :) biggest problem is that when it won't boot up, i will be in big trouble |
| 21:52.10 | yareckon_ | time to migrate your server to "the cloud" then |
| 21:52.10 | poisonbit | what happens if i disable a core that has process running ? |
| 21:52.31 | yareckon_ | http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/cpu-hotplug.txt#213 |
| 21:52.38 | yareckon_ | ^^answer |
| 21:52.41 | asdzxc | poisonbit: maybe it will gets killed |
| 21:52.42 | wooj | poisonbit, http://pastebin.ca/1449170 |
| 21:52.54 | wooj | All processes are migrated away from this outgoing CPU to new CPUs." |
| 21:53.30 | yareckon_ | admirable architechture for those that have it compiled in :) |
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| 21:53.48 | poisonbit | is more orderly than I expected |
| 21:54.36 | wooj | yeah its pretty cool, you can disable and replace a cpu w/o rebooting. |
| 21:54.40 | wooj | thats pretty spiffy. |
| 21:54.41 | yareckon_ | well asdzxc, it's your call |
| 21:55.33 | poisonbit | knows the next joke at the work.... disable cores when my coworker goes to bedroom ! |
| 21:55.47 | wooj | bedroom? @ work? o_O |
| 21:55.49 | yareckon_ | whole other topic, but can you migrate the services or something before you take this machine down? |
| 21:56.03 | poisonbit | bathroom |
| 21:56.07 | wooj | oh lol |
| 21:56.19 | poisonbit | my english sucks |
| 21:56.35 | wooj | poisonbit, no worries :) |
| 21:56.42 | poisonbit | :) |
| 21:56.42 | asdzxc | :) |
| 21:56.57 | yareckon_ | what happens when an apache process segfaults... the request just gets dropped? |
| 21:57.17 | asdzxc | yes |
| 21:57.28 | asdzxc | use will get network error or blank screen |
| 21:57.30 | asdzxc | user |
| 21:57.55 | wooj | Can you set grub to boot a 2nd kernel if the first fails? |
| 21:58.02 | enouf | segfault is usually a sig11 error |
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| 21:58.08 | valdyn | wooj: no |
| 21:58.12 | asdzxc | wooj: yes |
| 21:58.15 | wooj | o_O |
| 21:58.16 | asdzxc | you can |
| 21:58.18 | yareckon_ | lol |
| 21:58.30 | valdyn | wooj: you need a hardware watchdog for that |
| 21:58.42 | enouf | which implies /msg dpkg sig11 |
| 21:58.50 | asdzxc | but i don't believe it very much, anyway it was always working when i was testing it |
| 21:58.51 | yareckon_ | but how do you tell the second kernel to try the other processor next time :) |
| 21:58.55 | gimbal | anyone's tried patching kernel for realtime-lsm in lenny? realtime-lsm and -source packages disappeared after etch |
| 21:59.02 | asdzxc | valdyn: no, you don't |
| 21:59.30 | valdyn | asdzxc: i certainly do |
| 21:59.38 | yareckon_ | hey, gotta go kids.... good luck asdzxc! |
| 21:59.43 | asdzxc | you just need to set panic kernel option |
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| 21:59.52 | gimbal | goes to take a look at http://wiki.debian.org |
| 21:59.57 | asdzxc | yareckon_: thnx, bye :) |
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| 22:00.11 | gimbal | no search results for realtime at wiki.debian.org, too bad |
| 22:00.23 | asdzxc | valdyn: just set panic=10 and kernel will reboot 10 secons after kernel panic |
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| 22:00.38 | asdzxc | valdyn: and use grub fallback to select different kernel |
| 22:00.51 | valdyn | asdzxc: panic is just one special case where a kernel "doesn't work" |
| 22:00.54 | poisonbit | asdzxc, i have that in systcl.conf... there is also a boot param ? |
| 22:00.55 | gimbal | panic=10 hadn't heard of that one |
| 22:01.10 | asdzxc | gimbal: just try it, it works good |
| 22:01.18 | asdzxc | valdyn: when it doesn't boot, it's panic |
| 22:01.19 | enouf | grub just needs a set "fallback" option |
| 22:01.30 | asdzxc | valdyn: and it will reboot when you set panic option |
| 22:01.30 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:01.33 | gimbal | asdzxc yeah, editing grub menu.lst right now hehe |
| 22:01.40 | enouf | no panic option needed |
| 22:01.47 | asdzxc | enouf: yes you need |
| 22:01.50 | enouf | no |
| 22:01.59 | asdzxc | enouf: otherwise you will end up with kernel panic |
| 22:02.03 | enouf | no |
| 22:02.04 | asdzxc | server won't reboot |
| 22:02.05 | asdzxc | yes |
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| 22:02.09 | enouf | no |
| 22:02.13 | asdzxc | looks like you never tried it |
| 22:02.19 | asdzxc | i'm workign with it several years |
| 22:02.25 | enouf | looks like you're full of shit |
| 22:02.30 | poisonbit | takes notes of bot things, fallback in grub and pani=N... sool for remote (cheap) management |
| 22:02.37 | poisonbit | cool |
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| 22:02.52 | alecs1 | hi, I would like to get the firmware for radeon r600 cards, a file named RV620_cp.bin |
| 22:02.55 | asdzxc | enouf: you need grub's fallback to select different kernel, and option panic for reboot after booting wrong kernel |
| 22:03.02 | alecs1 | and I have no idea where to take it from |
| 22:03.02 | asdzxc | grub is not able to reboot |
| 22:03.05 | enouf | no |
| 22:03.06 | asdzxc | it's just boot loader |
| 22:03.13 | penguin_ | How to reload the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 22:03.19 | alecs1 | it should come with firmware-linux package, but that is not yet updated |
| 22:03.27 | asdzxc | penguin_: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 22:03.40 | enouf | asdzxc: have you even read the grub docs? |
| 22:03.49 | asdzxc | enouf: yes, of course |
| 22:03.54 | asdzxc | enouf: and you ? |
| 22:04.02 | simonrvn | alecs1: firmware-linux or something like that... |
| 22:04.26 | alecs1 | yes, but that is not updated to contain it |
| 22:04.36 | asdzxc | enouf: here it is: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html |
| 22:04.39 | enouf | heh .. if you set the fallback option correctly it'll reboot into it |
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| 22:04.47 | asdzxc | enouf: no :) |
| 22:04.48 | simonrvn | then backport sid's |
| 22:04.50 | asdzxc | just read it |
| 22:05.06 | asdzxc | enouf: When GRUB tries to boot `A', GRUB saves `1' as ______next boot entry_______ |
| 22:05.11 | asdzxc | grub won't reboot |
| 22:05.14 | enouf | asdzxc: you read it ;-) |
| 22:05.15 | asdzxc | it can't |
| 22:05.23 | asdzxc | grub is just a loader |
| 22:05.32 | alecs1 | so, how is this file generated by the Debian kernel people? |
| 22:05.34 | asdzxc | it;s not able to do anything after it will load the kernel |
| 22:06.17 | enouf | it doesn't "load" a kernel |
| 22:06.21 | valdyn | alecs1: theres a linux program to update radeon card firmware? |
| 22:06.26 | simonrvn | alecs1: then backport sid's |
| 22:06.54 | enouf | asdzxc: do you know anything about BIOS routines? |
| 22:07.04 | asdzxc | enouf: yes, of course |
| 22:07.08 | asdzxc | enouf: btw |
| 22:07.16 | alecs1 | simonrvn: I don't really understand; i run sid and this file doesn't exist anywhere I look for it |
| 22:07.19 | dureyes | anyone here has google earth on lenny 64 bit working? |
| 22:07.20 | enouf | do you know what an initrd is? |
| 22:07.22 | asdzxc | enouf: just show me the grub docs, which is tellign about rebooting :) |
| 22:07.32 | alecs1 | the latest firmware-linux package does not contain that file |
| 22:07.35 | asdzxc | initrd does nothing with grub |
| 22:08.02 | enouf | asdzxc: right .. but has everything to do with kernel loading |
| 22:08.17 | enouf | so... |
| 22:08.24 | enouf | where were we? |
| 22:08.26 | alecs1 | valdyn: no, I don't update any firmware; this binary file is needed by the kernel to provide video acceleration |
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| 22:08.35 | asdzxc | enouf: you don't know what are you talking about |
| 22:08.38 | gimbal | crypes, realtime-lsm releases were last updated in 2006? |
| 22:08.44 | asdzxc | enouf: if your way works only with initrd |
| 22:08.47 | asdzxc | then it sucks |
| 22:08.48 | stuNNed | ok, know how synaptic has "missing recommends" section, does apt-get have the same thing? |
| 22:08.51 | asdzxc | initrd is NOT required |
| 22:08.59 | asdzxc | and, for example, i'm not useing it |
| 22:08.59 | enouf | asdzxc: and you have no idea who your mother is? |
| 22:09.02 | valdyn | alecs1: thats news to me |
| 22:09.12 | enouf | asdzxc: i never said it was |
| 22:09.15 | themill | stuNNed: aptitude does. /msg dpkg aptitude-fu |
| 22:09.27 | wooj | stuNNed, apt will tell you which packages are recommended. Apititude will just install em anyways, I believe. |
| 22:09.48 | themill | wooj: err no. Not from lenny onwards |
| 22:09.53 | enouf | asdzxc: YOU suggested the bootloader had to do with "kernel" loading |
| 22:09.55 | stuNNed | ok thanks guys |
| 22:10.03 | valdyn | enouf: youre confused |
| 22:10.06 | alecs1 | valdyn: because of bug #523467 I run a localy compiled kernel; but I would like to take the one from kernel-archive |
| 22:10.09 | asdzxc | enouf: yes |
| 22:10.14 | enouf | asdzxc: no. you are |
| 22:10.16 | asdzxc | enouf: grub is loading kernels |
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| 22:10.19 | enouf | no |
| 22:10.24 | asdzxc | it, of course, can load also initrd |
| 22:10.24 | asdzxc | BUT |
| 22:10.27 | asdzxc | initrd is not required |
| 22:10.28 | alecs1 | because that one is able to do correct resumes from hibernation |
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| 22:10.31 | valdyn | grub loads the kernel AND the initrd ( if you use one ) |
| 22:10.34 | themill | dpkg: tell asdzxc about enter |
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| 22:10.44 | gimbal | anyone would know how to configure the kernel so that a non-superuser user can run jackd with realtime priority? |
| 22:10.46 | asdzxc | themill: sorry |
| 22:10.48 | enouf | asdzxc: the kernel pulls up any/all initrd |
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| 22:10.59 | asdzxc | enouf: initrd is NOT required |
| 22:11.01 | patrikf | gimbal: use a setuid helper |
| 22:11.03 | valdyn | gimbal: you cant do that with a stock kernel iirc |
| 22:11.04 | wooj | themill, ahh okay. I wasn't aware of that. |
| 22:11.10 | asdzxc | enouf: you don't have to use it |
| 22:11.18 | enouf | the BIOS routines pass control through the bootloader |
| 22:11.25 | valdyn | gimbal: you need lsm-realtime or somesuch, thats a patch |
| 22:11.25 | asdzxc | enouf: :) |
| 22:11.30 | valdyn | gimbal: or an extra module |
| 22:11.33 | zuse12345 | im useing ubuntu and i cant figure out how to install stuff can you guys help? |
| 22:11.37 | gimbal | patrikf: setuid helper, ok. fwiw, start-stop-daemon has jackd runa s a user or something |
| 22:11.45 | wooj | zuse12345, I'd try #ubuntu. This is #debian |
| 22:12.00 | gimbal | valdyn: yeah, was looking at it, but the releases in their sf project haven't been updated since 2006, and it's disappeared from debian since after etch |
| 22:12.01 | patrikf | gimbal: maybe jackd can be started as root and be configured to drop privileges as well |
| 22:12.09 | zuse12345 | im useing ubuntu and i cant figure out how to install stuff can you guys help? |
| 22:12.09 | valdyn | gimbal: indeed |
| 22:12.21 | valdyn | zuse12345: no, the ubuntu support channel is not here |
| 22:12.23 | enouf | asdzxc: point is, IINM, you don't need a panic option |
| 22:12.35 | themill | zuse12345: sure. "/join #ubuntu" should be step number 1 |
| 22:12.37 | wooj | enouf, IINM? |
| 22:12.42 | asdzxc | enouf: yes you need |
| 22:12.47 | enouf | !iinm |
| 22:12.48 | dpkg | iinm is, like, "If I'm Not Mistaken" |
| 22:12.51 | wooj | ahh k |
| 22:12.54 | enouf | np |
| 22:12.56 | asdzxc | enouf: so you are |
| 22:13.06 | gimbal | patrifk: if I understand it right, that would be what start-stop-daemon is doing, but the user it switches it to doesn't have permissions for realtime priority i guess |
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| 22:13.12 | enouf | s/np/no/ |
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| 22:13.33 | asdzxc | enouf: ok so, tell how you will reboot crashed kernel |
| 22:13.39 | gimbal | er, well, it doesn't *drop* root, per se, it just starts it as a non-root user, from a command run as root |
| 22:13.44 | enouf | crashed? |
| 22:13.51 | gimbal | arrrrgh |
| 22:14.10 | asdzxc | enouf: yes |
| 22:14.20 | asdzxc | enouf: kernel pacnic == crash of kernel |
| 22:14.23 | enouf | define "crashed" |
| 22:14.29 | asdzxc | panic |
| 22:14.29 | enouf | no |
| 22:14.33 | asdzxc | yes :) |
| 22:14.36 | valdyn | a panic is NOT a crash |
| 22:14.40 | asdzxc | yes it is |
| 22:14.42 | valdyn | a crash is *worse* than a panic |
| 22:14.50 | asdzxc | panic is crash |
| 22:15.02 | enouf | panic is NOT the only reason the kernel refuses to boot |
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| 22:15.14 | alecs1 | I am totally lost, google search for RV620_cp.bin doesn't help me; |
| 22:15.19 | asdzxc | if you got kernel panic, you can't use system until reboot |
| 22:15.29 | patrikf | gimbal: if you want to run jackd without any privileges other than realtime execution, you need a program that starts as root, changes priority to realtime and then drop privileges and go on. that can happen inside or outside jackd, I don't know whether jackd can do this or whether there's some program that does this already. |
| 22:15.39 | valdyn | asdzxc: that doesnt mean that if i cant use the system until reboot i had a panic |
| 22:15.42 | enouf | !can't mount root |
| 22:15.42 | dpkg | If you can't mount the root file system when you boot your custom kernel, it means you have failed to include support for either: (a) your root file system (e.g. ext3), or (b) your disk controller (IDE, SCSI, etc.). These cannot be modules, unless you use an initrd. Go check your config again. or make sure your bootloader knows about your initrd |
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| 22:15.53 | gimbal | hmm, there is a 'rtprio' option in /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 22:15.54 | asdzxc | valdyn: so tell me an example |
| 22:15.59 | alecs1 | so I guess I should generate the file somehow |
| 22:16.04 | asdzxc | valdyn: where kernel is crashed and there's no panic |
| 22:16.05 | enouf | asdzxc: look up |
| 22:16.13 | patrikf | gimbal: on the other hand, if you want users to be able to start up jackd (this is how I read your original question) with realtime priority, then you need a setuid-root binary that runs as root and then does the same thing as just described. sorry for the confusion. |
| 22:16.22 | valdyn | asdzxc: non-terminating loop |
| 22:16.46 | asdzxc | valdyn: it's not a crash |
| 22:16.53 | asdzxc | kernel is working |
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| 22:17.08 | asdzxc | it's just not doing what you want |
| 22:17.14 | themill | asdzxc: I think you've just agreed with valdyn's point: there is no crash but there is a panic |
| 22:17.19 | gimbal | patrikf: thanks for the help. i'm familiar with the technical side of situation, to some extent. i'm going to try editing limits.conf, w.r.t the rtprio option for now |
| 22:17.22 | enouf | asdzxc: i've never seen a kernel panic -- but i've seen a GAZILLION failed boot attempts |
| 22:17.30 | asdzxc | themill: non-terminating loop will not do a panic |
| 22:18.36 | asdzxc | enouf: for example ? |
| 22:18.36 | alecs1 | hi, please give me a suggestion where to continue; I don't know of any other place than #debian; or maybe making a bug report to hurry the update |
| 22:18.38 | enouf | asdzxc: look up! |
| 22:18.39 | asdzxc | enouf: can't see it |
| 22:18.42 | enouf | ... |
| 22:19.01 | asdzxc | just stop writing 'loop up' and tell an example |
| 22:19.05 | asdzxc | if you have any |
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| 22:19.11 | valdyn | alecs1: it should be in kernel.org kernels |
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| 22:19.56 | enouf | asdzxc: why don't you just shut your trap? you obviously have no clue |
| 22:20.01 | themill | asdzxc: which bit of "kernel panic: not synching VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown...." is not a kernel panic? |
| 22:20.10 | asdzxc | themill: it is |
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| 22:20.30 | asdzxc | enouf: you don't know what are you talking about |
| 22:20.37 | asdzxc | themill: i said it's not ? |
| 22:20.40 | themill | asdzxc: right, so you're now disagreeing with what you wrote about 10 lines back. |
| 22:20.41 | enouf | right |
| 22:20.56 | enouf | ok gals ... carry on |
| 22:20.59 | asdzxc | themill: hm ? |
| 22:21.03 | asdzxc | themill: no i don't |
| 22:21.05 | themill | gives up |
| 22:21.11 | asdzxc | themill: show me where |
| 22:21.18 | gimbal | argh, editing limits.conf was of course not enough. will have to try making jackd setuid, i guess |
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| 22:21.47 | asdzxc | themill: didn't you mess up my comments with those from enouf ? |
| 22:22.01 | enouf | asdzxc: i started this discussion mentioning how to reload a kernel through grub, one doesn |
| 22:22.12 | themill | asdzxc: err no. enouf knows exactly what he's talking about here. |
| 22:22.12 | alecs1 | valdyn: it's in a file named driver/gpu/drm/radeon/r600_microcode.h, which is a bunch of hex numbers... |
| 22:22.29 | enouf | asdzxc: i started this discussion mentioning how to reload a kernel through grub, one doesn't need a "panic" option |
| 22:22.32 | valdyn | alecs1: yea, so? |
| 22:22.35 | alecs1 | how does Debian make the .bin file from that? |
| 22:22.36 | bzed | asdzxc: doesn't make difference, you have no clue is the result |
| 22:22.37 | valdyn | alecs1: build it |
| 22:23.01 | asdzxc | enouf: so tell me how you reboot paniced kernel |
| 22:23.16 | alecs1 | valdyn: ok, that's where I'm headig..., how? |
| 22:23.17 | valdyn | alecs1: cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) ~/my-linux-2.6.30/.config; make oldconfig; make path/to/file.bin |
| 22:23.19 | gimbal | yay setuid via dpkg-statoverride, gosh i wish there was an easier to realtime way than this |
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| 22:25.03 | enouf | asdzxc: i never had to - why? have you? can you not build kernels properly? |
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| 22:25.57 | asdzxc | enouf: very impressive answer. it equals to 'i don't know' |
| 22:26.36 | asdzxc | enouf: so stop talking about things which you know nothing about |
| 22:26.37 | enouf | asdzxc: right .. so ... intelligence overcomes whit? |
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| 22:27.04 | enouf | asdzxc: hah .. you claim _know_ though |
| 22:27.21 | enouf | asdzxc: hah .. you claim _you__know_ though |
| 22:27.25 | asdzxc | enouf: sure i know, i said it several times here |
| 22:27.31 | enouf | i did too |
| 22:27.35 | asdzxc | just use the 'panic' option |
| 22:27.43 | enouf | you do NOT neeed a panioc option |
| 22:27.49 | asdzxc | so how you do that ? |
| 22:27.59 | bzed | asdzxc: ctrl+break+b |
| 22:28.07 | asdzxc | bzed: remotely ? :D |
| 22:28.10 | bzed | yes |
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| 22:28.25 | bronaugh | alt-sysrq-b |
| 22:28.27 | asdzxc | bzed: we are talking about booting another kernel via grub when currect won't boot up |
| 22:28.44 | enouf | fallback! |
| 22:28.51 | bzed | asdzxc: no, you were talking about rebooting a paniced kernel |
| 22:28.51 | asdzxc | yes, fallback + panic |
| 22:29.03 | enouf | no |
| 22:29.05 | enouf | fallback! |
| 22:29.09 | asdzxc | bzed: just read the whole discussion |
| 22:29.17 | bzed | no thanks |
| 22:29.20 | enouf | no, you read it |
| 22:29.20 | asdzxc | enouf: so how you reboot paniced kernel ? |
| 22:29.26 | enouf | no |
| 22:29.38 | themill | judd info sysrqd |
| 22:29.38 | judd | themill: sysrqd (admin): is optional; Version: 9-2; Size: 7.5k; Installed: 48k -- small daemon intended to manage Linux SysRq over network |
| 22:29.47 | enouf | i never mentioned a "panicked" kernel |
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| 22:30.05 | bzed | themill: not even necessary if you have a serial connection (whihc is something you should have...) |
| 22:30.05 | asdzxc | enouf: but me do |
| 22:30.17 | asdzxc | enouf: there's no need of fallback for other reasons |
| 22:30.18 | enouf | that's your problem |
| 22:30.20 | themill | bzed: quite |
| 22:30.28 | enouf | asdzxc: oh really? |
| 22:30.49 | enouf | asdzxc: how about /msg dpkg can't mount root? |
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| 22:31.10 | asdzxc | enouf: yes, as i said, you have never used panic option |
| 22:31.25 | asdzxc | enouf: if this will happen, kernel will reboot if you propely set panic option |
| 22:31.26 | themill | suspects this is well past boring |
| 22:31.40 | enouf | asdzxc: no, as i said, you have no idea what you're talking about |
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| 22:31.59 | seniorake | i would like to use e4defrag - what kernel version supports this? and is it possible to use it within lenny..? |
| 22:31.59 | enouf | concurs with themill |
| 22:32.00 | asdzxc | enouf: i do :) you don't know 'panic' option so you are talking bullshits |
| 22:32.15 | enouf | asdzxc: no, you are |
| 22:32.19 | asdzxc | it will reboot kernel even when you can't mount root |
| 22:32.28 | enouf | doesn't matter |
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| 22:32.30 | asdzxc | cos it's a kernel panic |
| 22:32.31 | seniorake | and is e4defrag/ext4-support compiled within the newest kernels by default..? |
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| 22:32.37 | enouf | you asked me, and i told you |
| 22:32.39 | Tramp | maybe take it to /msg? We get the picture and there will be nowinner |
| 22:33.04 | themill | judd: kconfig ext4 --release sid |
| 22:33.06 | judd | themill: Searching for 'ext4' in sid kernel config gives EXT4_FS=m EXT4DEV_COMPAT=y EXT4_FS_XATTR=y EXT4_FS_POSIX_ACL=y EXT4_FS_SECURITY=y. |
| 22:33.08 | themill | seniorake: ^^ |
| 22:33.24 | enouf | asdzxc: can't mount root is not always a panic .. or dn't you know anything? |
| 22:33.33 | gimbal | arrr blocking inet access to the ssh port, for good measure, considering there is at least one root-owned binary setuid now |
| 22:33.42 | asdzxc | enouf: i said that few minutes before |
| 22:33.46 | themill | seniorake: ext4 support is certainly there, whether support for that feature is available I don't know |
| 22:34.01 | seniorake | hm. assuming i've got a lenny-system up and running and i use a kernel from sid - would that work? even if the new kernel is compiled using another gcc ? |
| 22:34.08 | bzed | themill: if I remember right the defrag stuff is not included in .29 |
| 22:34.12 | asdzxc | enouf: (12:32:30 AM) asdzxc: cos it's a kernel panic |
| 22:34.26 | gimbal | digs the heck out of debian ifupdown, for things like this |
| 22:34.29 | bzed | seniorake: it should, but I'm not sure if you're able t install the headers |
| 22:34.32 | enouf | asdzxc: so .. which kernels and which grub versions behave properly? since you seem to know so much? |
| 22:34.52 | enouf | asdzxc: no it isn;t |
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| 22:35.05 | asdzxc | it is, kernel will also write it down on the screen :) |
| 22:35.12 | enouf | no |
| 22:35.12 | asdzxc | AND |
| 22:35.18 | seniorake | well, what are the chances to get ext4-support in lenny? I've read something about backports, but I've never used that before. so this means that ext4-supporting kernels could be available within the lenny-debs? |
| 22:35.19 | asdzxc | when tou set 'panic' option |
| 22:35.21 | asdzxc | it will rebote |
| 22:35.27 | asdzxc | trust me, i tried it |
| 22:35.32 | enouf | gives up |
| 22:35.37 | asdzxc | just try it |
| 22:35.44 | gimbal | anyone ever tried using runit/ |
| 22:35.46 | gimbal | ? |
| 22:36.17 | jpinx | use |
| 22:36.19 | asdzxc | enouf: just read about panic option, you have said you never used it before and now you are telling you know what is it doing |
| 22:36.19 | jpinx | !use |
| 22:36.20 | dpkg | Rather than asking if someone uses package foo or program bar, just ask the question that you're planning on asking. See ask to ask, ask, sicco. |
| 22:36.25 | themill | seniorake: backports.org has a newer kernel; userspace tools are likely to be a problem though |
| 22:36.35 | gimbal | runit review, fwiw: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=202 - was thinking about making squid run with supervise, then it follows to migrate the whole sysv init setup to user djb supervise (or something similar) |
| 22:36.42 | alecs1 | OMG, typing: make <press tab> in a directoy with a makefile will actually cause make list all the possible files; after updating the source with git before! |
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| 22:37.19 | gimbal | heck, making jack run with supervise sounds like it could be nice idea, too, for a dedicated audio server (supposing I can make my home-net gateway double-up for that duty too hehe) |
| 22:37.23 | bzed | alecs1: sounds more like bash or ysh completion weirdness |
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| 22:38.19 | themill | alecs1: welcome to bash completion :) |
| 22:38.19 | alecs1 | yes, bash overinteligence I suspect |
| 22:38.27 | alecs1 | I don't expect to have git run at pressing tab though... |
| 22:38.35 | alecs1 | I'm frightened |
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| 22:40.41 | enouf | asdzxc: no, i said; you do not need the the panic option inorder for the fallback option of grub to work |
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| 22:40.55 | HazardX | is there a utility to generate an oldstyle xorg config file for me? I've got a system that is connected to a KVM, which I *KNOW* blocks ddc signals, and xorg is displaying a resolution to high for the display |
| 22:41.14 | asdzxc | enouf: i never said you need. the guy at the start was asking, if it's possible to tell grub to boot another kernel when current fails |
| 22:41.19 | seniorake | well, i just added the sources from backports.org - but i would like to use aptitude to browse within ..is that possible? because right now i do not know what kernel to install |
| 22:41.36 | asdzxc | enouf: so i was talking about situation, when current kernel fails to boot |
| 22:41.46 | TehZorroness | I just picked up an iriver spinn. AFAIK it uses MTP for data transfer, but the device isn't getting detected for me (debian lenny) |
| 22:41.49 | asdzxc | enouf: and then you need fallback + panic option |
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| 22:42.02 | TehZorroness | any flaming hoops I'm supposed to jump through first? |
| 22:42.04 | TehZorroness | :) |
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| 22:43.11 | seniorake | ah, just aptitude -t lenny-backports - true? |
| 22:43.19 | simonrvn | TehZorroness: there's one hanging around your government's house |
| 22:43.22 | enouf | asdzxc: "current kernel fails to boot" != panic@ |
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| 22:43.43 | asdzxc | enouf: but 'panic' option will reboot in any such a situation |
| 22:43.47 | asdzxc | just try it !!! |
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| 22:43.49 | simonrvn | TehZorroness: more seriously though, try just plugging it in and tail syslog |
| 22:43.54 | enouf | ... |
| 22:44.26 | simonrvn | TehZorroness: might also want to install usbmount |
| 22:44.27 | enouf | gives up ... again! |
| 22:44.36 | themill | judd info libmtp7 |
| 22:44.36 | judd | themill: libmtp7 (libs): is optional; Version: 0.2.6.1-3; Size: 126.5k; Installed: 488k -- Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library |
| 22:44.42 | simonrvn | !comfort enouf |
| 22:44.42 | dpkg | There, there, enouf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:44.54 | themill | TehZorroness: ^^ there's also that for whatever media player you're wanting to use. |
| 22:45.08 | simonrvn | mtp on linux is still pretty new and crap :/ |
| 22:45.11 | seniorake | hm, i do not see any newer kernel, i think 2.6.28 contains ext4, but the newest even in backports is 2.6.24 damn |
| 22:45.21 | simonrvn | (needs testing ;) |
| 22:45.22 | themill | seniorake: lenny backports has 2.6.29 |
| 22:45.47 | seniorake | sure? when i use aptitude -t lenny-backports and search for linux-image i just see 2.6.24 |
| 22:46.02 | seniorake | 2.6.26, sorry |
| 22:47.21 | themill | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.29-bpo.2-686 |
| 22:47.21 | judd | themill: linux-image-2.6.29-bpo.2-686 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.29-5~bpo50+1 |
| 22:47.25 | seniorake | ah i see,. it is called -bpo |
| 22:47.31 | seniorake | yes just found it |
| 22:47.40 | dhendrix | Quick q -- The kernel-pkg.conf man page says that the system-wide conf file can be overridden by a per user config in ~/.kernel-pkg.conf. I'm wondering if the same applies to kernel-img.conf and, if so, perhaps the kernel-img.conf man page should be updated to include that info. |
| 22:48.01 | seniorake | so i could install that one, reboot ....and that's it? i mean, would there be any problems with modules or something or is this maintained by the package so that no problems should occur? |
| 22:48.14 | simonrvn | dhendrix: check it, and file a bug if so... |
| 22:48.27 | TehZorroness | I see stuff in my syslog |
| 22:48.51 | themill | seniorake: any out of kernel modules that you compiled (fglrx, nvidia, quickcam, vmware etc) would need to be recompiled. most stuff on backports.org is pretty well tested and pretty reliable. |
| 22:49.20 | seniorake | well this is for a server, there are no modules i compiled on my own (as far as i remember) |
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| 22:50.10 | TehZorroness | http://pastebin.com/m19e83452 |
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| 22:50.53 | TehZorroness | looks like it's detecting and not doing anything... (I don't speek fluent syslog/kernel geek :) |
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| 22:51.14 | TehZorroness | no media players with mpt "support" find it |
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| 22:54.43 | themill | TehZorroness: check to see if it's visible in "fdisk -l" |
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| 22:54.48 | seniorake | yea, got it up and running. but pity, there is no e4defrag available. is that brought by the kernel or is that something i have to install on my own? |
| 22:56.08 | TehZorroness | themill, just /dev/hda (internal harddrive) and it's partitions |
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| 22:56.27 | seniorake | I can't find anything similar within apt, so this is afaik a binary that the kernel brings |
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| 22:57.01 | simonrvn | seniorake: somewhere on kernel.org/ people |
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| 22:57.12 | simonrvn | google will point to it.... |
| 22:57.31 | seniorake | you mean to a binary e4defrag? |
| 22:57.52 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 23:01.08 | alecs1 | valdyn: I tried the "make" method; I don't know what to do with this; if I say ex: "make drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/r600_cp.c" I get the r600_cp.o file |
| 23:01.18 | alecs1 | that will be used later to assemble the kernel |
| 23:02.09 | alecs1 | trying make drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/RV620_cp.bin doesn't do anything; as there's no such file |
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| 23:05.29 | seniorake | simonrvn: as far as i see it, there are just patches, but no archives with source for e4defrag only or binaries |
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| 23:06.25 | seniorake | but thank you anyway for the help |
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| 23:16.18 | lizone | anyone know if there is a possibility to create /dev/tcp in debian - centos has it but not debian |
| 23:17.17 | simonrvn | nowhy? |
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| 23:18.16 | xaashi | hi all, how does one create initrd.img-* without the update-initramfs script ?! |
| 23:21.34 | bzed | xaashi: did you read man update-initramfs ? |
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| 23:22.28 | xaashi | going throught the script now |
| 23:22.45 | xaashi | found the mkinitramfs call |
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| 23:23.11 | xaashi | bzed: wrt. to your question yes |
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| 23:24.03 | bzed | xaashi: aah sorry, didn't read your questions properly... without update-initramfs- yeah, use mkinitrd. But you should not do that :) |
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| 23:24.15 | bzed | xaashi: better use the initramfs hooks if you want to change something |
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| 23:24.42 | xaashi | bzed: i'm having problems booting a small vanilla kernel i build -without initramdisk .. and trying to figure how to get the thing to boot |
| 23:26.32 | xaashi | bzed: why shouldnt you use mkinitrd directly |
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| 23:29.44 | bzed | xaashi: are you sure you don't need an initrd? |
| 23:29.53 | bzed | xaashi: if you're using lvm you need one |
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| 23:31.12 | xaashi | bzed: sorry not great with acronyms lvm? |
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| 23:31.29 | Givvade | konqueror crashed and I had opened quite many tabs, how can i recover them? |
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| 23:32.52 | elik | Givvade, Sorry, I have no better help to offer than: see, you should have used Firefox |
| 23:33.15 | Givvade | I used it for surfing the local folders, not the web |
| 23:33.40 | elik | oh |
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| 23:33.57 | elik | why do you open so many tabs on your local system? |
| 23:34.04 | simonrvn | konq has a session plugin i think |
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| 23:35.27 | ladmin | is it too much to expect apt[itude] to check to make sure dependencies can be met before going ahead and attempting to replace a software package? |
| 23:35.48 | ladmin | ie. gnome 2.22 to gnome 2.24 |
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| 23:37.54 | dustybin | how many connections can 1 ssh server handle from the same port? |
| 23:38.00 | elik | ladmin, apti and aptitude are different |
| 23:38.07 | Polarina | dustybin: Many, many. |
| 23:38.16 | dustybin | ohhhhh |
| 23:38.29 | dustybin | for some reason, i thought, only 1 user per port |
| 23:38.32 | Polarina | dustybin: Several thousands, if not more. |
| 23:38.38 | dustybin | jeeeeeeze |
| 23:38.43 | elik | ladmin, and aptitde will always check if dependencies are ok before installing |
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| 23:44.46 | magyar | hi having issues with "usbmount". After reboot the connection is not there. I have to manually mount the usb drive or unplug it and replug it |
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| 23:47.34 | valdyn | ladmin: it does it and tells you what it will do to |
| 23:47.40 | valdyn | ladmin: it does it and tells you what it will do |
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| 23:50.07 | cirzgamanti | as usual, gcj won't run a java program; should i uninstall it before installing the sun stuff ? |
| 23:50.31 | valdyn | cirzgamanti: do what you want |
| 23:50.33 | simonrvn | no need |
| 23:50.37 | valdyn | cirzgamanti: they dont conflict |
| 23:50.46 | cirzgamanti | ok thx |
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| 23:51.30 | Givvade | simonrvn: so where is it, i havent found it yet... |
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| 23:52.33 | [1]ksnp | hi, can anyone tell me how to make dhcp automatically detect change in network and get ip again like windows does |
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| 23:53.45 | nikola | Hi everyone |
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| 23:53.59 | bzed | [1]ksnp: dhcp clients will do that, as in windows. |
| 23:54.00 | HazardX | So, if you were to acccidentally delete the menu accross the top of the screen, how would you get it back? |
| 23:54.31 | bzed | [1]ksnp: but they probably wait until their lease expires. dependig in the lease time of your dhcp server, it may take a while |
| 23:54.33 | cirzgamanti | so how do i invoke the sun java if gcj is still present? 'java -jar xxx' loads gcj. |
| 23:54.52 | cirzgamanti | HazardX: gnome? |
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| 23:54.57 | bzed | cirzgamanti: run update-java-alternatives as root |
| 23:55.02 | cirzgamanti | thx |
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| 23:55.30 | HazardX | cirzgamanti, yea, gnome |
| 23:55.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzgamanti, with the full path? |
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| 23:56.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... |
| 23:56.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !java alternatives |
| 23:56.30 | dpkg | Rather than using update-alternatives (or galternatives) to set each individual alternative for java (and there are lots of them!), use update-java-alternatives. To see a list of the valid java alternatives, use "update-java-alternatives --list". To select the sun-java6 java runtime environment, "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun". |
| 23:56.31 | cirzgamanti | CutMeOwnThroat: update-j-a worked fine |
| 23:57.27 | cirzgamanti | HazardX: you could try directly in #gnome |
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