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| 00:14.33 | xaashi | hi. i'm copying the contents of file system from one machine to another, does anyone know if the contents of /sys get created during boot or it is persistent? |
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| 00:34.55 | Amit_mishra | Tips to get immediate traffic to your web sites http://techfancy.blogspot.com/2009/06/tips-to-get-immediate-traffic-to-your.html |
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| 00:39.53 | aymfree | when i to install mysql "apt-get install mysql-server" i have this msg E: Couldn't find package mysql-server |
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| 00:41.08 | FluxD | aymfree, try apt-get update first |
| 00:41.36 | aymfree | how can i chan ?ge the source list of package |
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| 00:42.40 | cyberninja | aymfree: /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:42.48 | Javi-AFK | Hi |
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| 00:44.21 | songer | I need your help |
| 00:44.53 | songer | When I try to install debian< my usb wireless it can't detected by debian |
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| 00:49.40 | xaashi | songer |
| 00:49.54 | xaashi | what is the chipster of your radio |
| 00:49.58 | xaashi | shipset |
| 00:50.04 | Xgamerz | FluxD this is my sources list http://paste.debian.net/38239 |
| 00:50.09 | xaashi | chipset - sorry cant spell |
| 00:50.19 | ajavid | chipster |
| 00:50.23 | ajavid | I like that |
| 00:50.27 | songer | I don't now |
| 00:50.33 | songer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.33 | ajavid | instead of chipset we should use chipster |
| 00:50.40 | ajavid | songer, install pciutil sand use lsusb |
| 00:50.43 | ajavid | and* |
| 00:50.44 | FluxD | Xgamerz, its only looking in your drive then |
| 00:50.45 | ajavid | pciutils |
| 00:50.48 | ajavid | fuck me runniands;kljha;kljds;klfajds |
| 00:50.51 | ajavid | fucking keybaod |
| 00:50.57 | xaashi | ehehe -- sorry fighting the cat of the keyboard |
| 00:51.18 | ajavid | sorry, I'm just a bit.. argh? |
| 00:51.37 | xaashi | songer - try lsusb and look for it |
| 00:51.56 | songer | ok, now I'm in ubuntu |
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| 00:53.48 | songer | I Already that lsusb |
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| 00:54.56 | xaashi | songer run it |
| 00:55.03 | songer | yes |
| 00:55.11 | songer | now the result |
| 00:55.24 | songer | Ralink Technology |
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| 00:55.46 | songer | whre can I paste all result? |
| 00:56.00 | xaashi | try lsusb -v |
| 00:56.04 | songer | ok |
| 00:56.32 | songer | now? |
| 00:56.41 | xaashi | paste here http://pastebin.com/ |
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| 00:58.54 | songer | http://pastebin.com/d2c8a01ee |
| 00:58.58 | songer | there is |
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| 00:59.19 | mamalujo_ | hi! how come emelfm2 is not in the repos? I though it was a pretty popular filemanager? Im also asking because I just compiled it and seem to be running into some serious bugs that the upstream thought were fixed, so though maybe they have something to do with why its not already packaged? |
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| 01:01.26 | xaashi | songer: you have a Ralink RT2870 |
| 01:01.32 | songer | xaashi there is http://pastebin.com/d2c8a01ee |
| 01:01.41 | xaashi | try this http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta |
| 01:02.50 | xaashi | songer: infact what does modprobe -l | grep rt2870sta say? |
| 01:03.39 | macrobat | emelfm2, i think i have it on archlinux |
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| 01:05.16 | adb | !rt2870 |
| 01:05.17 | dpkg | The vendor driver for the Ralink RT2870 USB 802.11 draft-n wireless LAN chipset (rt2870sta) is included as a staging driver in mainline kernels from 2.6.29-rc1. Available in Debian 2.6.29 and later kernel images (i386 & amd64 only), non-free firmware included in the driver. Installation procedure at http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta . For Ralink PCI 802.11n devices, ask me about <rt2860>. |
| 01:05.20 | songer | mmm |
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| 01:05.34 | glicks | hi |
| 01:05.49 | glicks | excuse me does anyone have any experiences with the EeePC N270 |
| 01:06.04 | adb | !eeepc |
| 01:06.04 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 01:07.34 | songer | modprobe -l | grep rt2870sta |
| 01:07.37 | songer | kernel/drivers/staging/rt2870/rt2870sta.ko |
| 01:08.01 | nineclock | hi it possibile to see log of deleted files on debian sistem ? |
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| 01:08.22 | mamalujo_ | macrobat, yeah, so its not that uncommon. on squeeze, or at least on my system, its crashing when it needs to delete something, with some lock problem with x or libc or something, the upstream tells me.. So is there some place on the debian website i can check if it was packaged before, but is currently unavailable because its buggy, i though maybe i could find some aditional info on the bug that way? |
| 01:08.39 | mib_4s4uhq | hi, anyone know of a debian repo with 'skippy' ? |
| 01:08.52 | xaashi | songer: modprobe -a rt2870sta |
| 01:08.54 | xaashi | then |
| 01:09.04 | xaashi | dmesg | tail -n 20 |
| 01:09.42 | xaashi | and see what it says, if your driver is being loaded you see the output in dmesg |
| 01:09.52 | RaymondX | hi im having trouble with ajaxterm...how can i enable the paste from clipboard option here? |
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| 01:17.26 | songer | http://pastebin.com/d5401b9de |
| 01:17.28 | songer | there is |
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| 01:19.37 | hikenboot | anyone know of any web modules for openSSH that allows two geographicallly dispersed clients to connect and secure a tunnel by loggin into a web module on a hosted apache server? |
| 01:19.59 | xaashi | songer: which kernel are you using and what does lsmod -l | grep rt2870sta say |
| 01:20.37 | songer | I download ubuntu jaunty |
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| 01:22.17 | songer | songer@songer:~$ lsmod -l | grep rt2870sta |
| 01:22.17 | songer | Usage: lsmod |
| 01:22.17 | songer | songer@songer:~$ |
| 01:22.43 | xaashi | sorry i meant lsmod | grep rt2870sta |
| 01:23.35 | songer | songer@songer:~$ lsmod | grep rt2870sta |
| 01:23.35 | songer | rt2870sta 507220 1 |
| 01:23.35 | songer | songer@songer:~$ |
| 01:24.48 | adb | songer: this machine have wired network too ? |
| 01:25.39 | Pnux | hey, to fix the mbr, the bot says that i have to run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda" but my hard drive is /dev/sda.. should i use /dev/hda or /dev/sda? |
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| 01:26.08 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.14 | Pnux | thanks |
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| 01:27.34 | songer | it has just the usb wireless |
| 01:27.46 | xaashi | songer: did you go through http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta |
| 01:27.51 | songer | and the power |
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| 01:29.02 | adb | it's a laptop ? |
| 01:29.13 | songer | no es desktop |
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| 01:30.08 | adb | buy a PCI network card for $10 and you are set |
| 01:30.13 | xaashi | songer: can't you download the drivers you need and copy them over? |
| 01:30.23 | songer | http://www.provantage.com/connectgear-wu260n~7CONH00U.htm |
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| 01:31.02 | songer | this is my usb that now I'm using in ubutnu |
| 01:31.27 | xaashi | alternatively http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta suggests linux-image-2.6.29-1-686 or greater |
| 01:32.19 | xaashi | use your current machine - to get linux-2.6.29-1 and build it on the machine |
| 01:33.23 | songer | ok |
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| 01:35.13 | xaashi | i need a script to chroot on a remote machine via ssh - then perform some funkiness - is expect the suggest tool to script ssh? |
| 01:35.43 | xaashi | or rather does any one use expect and would care to comment on it for this job |
| 01:35.45 | songer | I don't undarsted |
| 01:36.25 | xaashi | songer: what ? |
| 01:36.32 | dondelelcaro | xaashi: no. Just transfer a shell script to the remote machine, and run it there. |
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| 01:37.02 | dondelelcaro | (you can do it with expect, but why bother?) |
| 01:37.23 | xaashi | dondelelcaro: true - thanks |
| 01:37.24 | songer | how i need to get linux 2.6.29.1 |
| 01:37.44 | xaashi | songer: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ |
| 01:38.11 | songer | or linux- image 2.6.29-1.-686 |
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| 01:39.39 | xaashi | songer: you would need to build the image |
| 01:40.17 | xaashi | i'm sorry i dont run ubuntu, so i dont' know if 2.6.29 image is available on the repository there |
| 01:40.25 | xaashi | why not try #ubuntu |
| 01:40.25 | songer | I don't now how to do that |
| 01:42.54 | songer | for what I need kernel 2,6? |
| 01:43.30 | adb | !rt2870 |
| 01:43.30 | dpkg | The vendor driver for the Ralink RT2870 USB 802.11 draft-n wireless LAN chipset (rt2870sta) is included as a staging driver in mainline kernels from 2.6.29-rc1. Available in Debian 2.6.29 and later kernel images (i386 & amd64 only), non-free firmware included in the driver. Installation procedure at http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta . For Ralink PCI 802.11n devices, ask me about <rt2860>. |
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| 01:44.01 | songer | ok I see |
| 01:44.25 | sprax_ | I created a symlink to file in the same directory as the file, then removed the file instead of the symlink. Yes, dumb. How I can restore the file out of the package? |
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| 01:45.17 | songer | whre can I get image |
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| 01:46.56 | xaashi | songer: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu |
| 01:47.05 | xaashi | sprax_: package?! |
| 01:47.25 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.33 | songer | ok but thenIhow I need to instal debian |
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| 01:49.00 | f0ner00t | how do I change my eth0 from static to dhcp? |
| 01:49.33 | adb | change static to dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:49.43 | f0ner00t | rhNKA |
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| 01:49.46 | f0ner00t | Thanks |
| 01:49.49 | Pnux | !grub |
| 01:49.49 | dpkg | [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader. It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub . For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 01:51.34 | sprax_ | xaashi apache2 |
| 01:51.43 | sprax_ | I had an identical box though so I got the files from there |
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| 01:52.49 | owen1 | how to remove the top bar from xterm? |
| 01:53.25 | xaashi | sprax_: scp it back?! |
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| 01:53.53 | adb | owen1: use screen ;) |
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| 01:54.39 | owen1 | adb: i do. but i open xterm inside. |
| 01:54.42 | adb | xterm --help |
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| 01:54.53 | Pnux | !karma |
| 01:54.53 | dpkg | pnux has neutral karma |
| 01:54.59 | xaashi | thanks for all the help guys and gals |
| 01:55.03 | xaashi | and good night |
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| 01:55.10 | songer | xaashi : I need to download image kernel 2.6 burn it |
| 01:55.17 | adb | owen1: use screen .. inside ? |
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| 01:55.53 | songer | and do the steps from the page tha you send me |
| 01:56.52 | owen1 | adb: i connect with ssh to remote machine that is running screen. i attach to the screen session. |
| 01:57.35 | owen1 | adb: and i use vim with minibufexplore. i can't see the top of the vim since the xterm bar is hiding it. i think. |
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| 01:58.31 | adb | too complicate for me .. |
| 01:59.22 | songer | but i don't understand, I have 2 harddrives in the same pc in 1 I have ubuntu and the other one I want to install debian |
| 01:59.38 | owen1 | i typed xterm --help but it's not very friendly.. |
| 01:59.47 | adb | heh |
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| 02:03.33 | owen1 | how to remove the top bar in xterm? |
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| 02:05.00 | adb | owen1: use -geometry example > xterm -geometry 40x15 |
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| 02:06.09 | owen1 | adb: that only changes the size. i still have top bar. |
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| 02:07.12 | adb | i now, but that may permits to 'see' better |
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| 02:10.33 | eldereko | how do you find the device name (ie /dev/sd?) for a non-formatted usb stick? |
| 02:11.34 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:13.40 | eldereko | thanks |
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| 02:14.02 | adb | np |
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| 02:55.10 | SuzyQueue | Hey guys... I need a little help. I lost a couple of my hard drives from my raid5 and I'm trying to figure out when it happened. |
| 02:55.42 | SuzyQueue | I've looked through a couple of logs for sda, sdb, sdd, and sde but couldn't find much... just some sda errors... but I had two drives go out |
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| 02:55.59 | RaymondX | check cmos settings if it defaulted to native mode |
| 02:57.37 | SuzyQueue | anyone awake in here? ;) |
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| 02:58.29 | adb | SuzyQueue: read above what RaymondX said ... |
| 02:59.15 | SuzyQueue | adb, RaymondX sorry didn't know he was speaking to me... no, they have problems... I have run test on them and they fail |
| 02:59.48 | SuzyQueue | I lost everything... it was terrible... then I decided to swap the little circuit boards on them and one came back to life! :) |
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| 03:03.18 | owen1 | i can't open alsamixer. i think i removed myself from some groups... any ideas? |
| 03:04.53 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.24 | owen1 | audio:x:29: |
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| 03:05.35 | owen1 | adb: do i need to be in this group? |
| 03:05.49 | adb | audio:x:29:owen1 |
| 03:05.58 | adb | sure |
| 03:06.11 | SuzyQueue | from what I can see the read head on one drive died and the other one just turns off when the diagnostic test goes to run... The little board thingy from the one with the bad read head made the one that turned off work... I was then able to rebuild the raid back and I'm backing it all up now |
| 03:06.23 | SuzyQueue | hard to find 950gigs to back up to :) |
| 03:06.52 | owen1 | adb: i did it. but - alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
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| 03:07.09 | SuzyQueue | I just don't know when the first drive died and how out of sync that the data is... or am I just lucky and got the one that just failed this morning to come back online? |
| 03:07.15 | adb | owen1: log OUT/ log in |
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| 03:09.04 | owen1 | adb: should i add myself also to adm, dialout, cdrom, floppy, dip, video, plugdev, fuse, lpadmin ? |
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| 03:09.37 | epsilon | if you need these, yes |
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| 03:10.01 | adb | owen1: run debian ? |
| 03:10.08 | owen1 | epsilon: do i need this? it's what i see on a friend's machine...he uses xubuntu. |
| 03:10.42 | epsilon | the default user should already be in these default groups such as cdrom, audio and stuff |
| 03:11.10 | owen1 | epsilon: i removed myself from all of them. (accident..) |
| 03:11.23 | epsilon | bad[tm] |
| 03:12.47 | epsilon | adm and lpadmin is not default, sunno about fuse |
| 03:13.02 | owen1 | epsilon: what's adm and lpadmin |
| 03:13.23 | epsilon | the rest is access to hardware (you'll want them if you work in desktop) or connection stuff (dip, dialout) |
| 03:14.07 | epsilon | lpadmin sounds like printer, adm... dunno have to look |
| 03:14.31 | epsilon | but "adm" sounds like you don't need them as user for security reason |
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| 03:15.15 | owen1 | epsilon:what is it? it comes in xubuntu by default. |
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| 03:24.07 | epsilon | dunno, ask xubuntu |
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| 03:34.45 | owen1 | thanks guys. it's working |
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| 04:00.27 | betz | Can someone tell me how to check which version is installed of debian? |
| 04:00.30 | JoEMoMMa | i am new to the debian distro and i am trying to install from a netinst cd and i am stuck on the "configuing APT" screen....did i miss a section where i should have inserted network adapter information or soemhting? |
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| 04:02.01 | JoEMoMMa | betz try cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:02.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | betz, look in your sources.list, debian_version or lsb_release -a |
| 04:02.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | JoEMoMMa, its probably autodetected |
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| 04:03.49 | JoEMoMMa | autodetected? That is not possiable....there is no DHCP client on my network |
| 04:04.14 | JoEMoMMa | what am i missing? |
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| 04:11.41 | Jids | i'm getting an Intel quad-core CPU, and i've got a choice between the Q8200 and Q8400 - i plan to run VMWare Workstation so as to learn how to set up Linux and Windows servers, and i'm wondering if VT is worth an extra $20... can anyone help me? |
| 04:13.05 | d1b | Jids: it is. |
| 04:13.20 | Jids | why is it? |
| 04:13.23 | d1b | but you may want to consider using kvm instead of vmware workstation (and or virtualbox) |
| 04:13.43 | d1b | for $20 vt is worth it |
| 04:14.04 | epsilon | i thought a high-end CPU like Q.... has all VT? |
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| 04:14.13 | Jids | what's the actual benefit of VT though? i've read about it but i don't really understand it |
| 04:14.24 | Jids | epsilon: Q8200 seems to be the only one w/o VT |
| 04:14.31 | d1b | epsilon: unfortantly not all high end intels have it. its really odd. |
| 04:14.41 | epsilon | Virtual support in CPU layer |
| 04:14.54 | d1b | Jids: just get it for $20 now instead of regretting it later |
| 04:15.33 | epsilon | for kvm/xen/vmware you will want VT definitly |
| 04:15.58 | Jids | by how much does it improve the processing speed? |
| 04:16.06 | simonrvn | i'd go for it, it's 20$ |
| 04:16.07 | d1b | Jids: at lot |
| 04:16.11 | d1b | for $20 |
| 04:16.43 | Jids | k |
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| 04:17.28 | Jids | http://tinyurl.com/zahids-server <-- anyone care to tell me (minus the CPU, i'm getting that w/o shipping for cheaper) if this is a good rig for 5 servers and some gaming on the side? |
| 04:18.28 | JoEMoMMa | Is the netinst cd suppose to take me to the command prompt? The debian site states it is just a small version of the software so the rest can be installed over the internet |
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| 04:21.21 | dondelelcaro | JoEMoMMa: if you don't install anything else, yes, that's what it'll do |
| 04:21.56 | K`zan | Any solutions to upgrading mplayer and mencoder on deb5? |
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| 04:22.44 | K`zan | looks like depending librarys are too old ??!?! |
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| 04:28.48 | sshc | what do I need in order to be able to paste between TTY's? |
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| 04:31.03 | genb00 | hey - how get into single user mode on hardened kernel? |
| 04:31.32 | K`zan | try init 1 ? |
| 04:31.39 | genb00 | yup |
| 04:31.57 | Kano | hi, why has pbuilder etch now a problem to install tetex-bin? there was no problem 2 weeks ago |
| 04:31.58 | genb00 | linux=single, 1, single |
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| 04:33.16 | simonrvn | sshc: gpm |
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| 04:40.51 | Advux | I want an up-to-date system (Desktop System) should I use Debian Or Gentoo ? |
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| 04:41.34 | Xenguy | Advux: do you like hours and hours of building your system? |
| 04:41.49 | Advux | It doesn't bother me. |
| 04:42.03 | \amethyst | do you think it's fun? |
| 04:42.18 | Advux | When it suites my needs then yes. |
| 04:42.23 | \amethyst | :) |
| 04:42.25 | Xenguy | Advux: gentoo seems like the ultimate 'ricer' dist |
| 04:42.36 | Advux | 'ricer' ? |
| 04:42.43 | \amethyst | you can always compile your own packages in Debian |
| 04:42.44 | Xenguy | Advux: you would be compiling the latest from source |
| 04:42.55 | Xenguy | \amethyst: true |
| 04:43.11 | Advux | So with Gentoo, I would be compiling the latest from source / |
| 04:43.12 | Advux | So with Gentoo, I would be compiling the latest from source ? |
| 04:43.15 | \amethyst | but sometimes merging in a new upstream version is complicated |
| 04:43.30 | Xenguy | AFAIK, yes |
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| 04:43.52 | Xenguy | I don't use gentoo myself |
| 04:44.45 | Advux | So would Gentoo be more up-to-date then Debian ? |
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| 04:45.02 | Xenguy | Advux: in theory yes |
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| 04:45.21 | Xenguy | Advux: you can fetch source and build in debian also of course |
| 04:45.42 | Advux | I would do that |
| 04:45.42 | Advux | If |
| 04:45.49 | Advux | The software was the 'Latest' |
| 04:46.07 | Advux | Debian's Unstable tree (SID) is pretty up-to-date. |
| 04:46.19 | Advux | The only thing that even comes close to beating it is Gentoo or ArchLinux. |
| 04:46.20 | Xenguy | Advux: well try gentoo then, and if it drives you crazy, come back to #debian ;-) |
| 04:46.31 | Advux | I'm On Gentoo atm. |
| 04:46.31 | Advux | :P |
| 04:46.35 | Xenguy | hahah |
| 04:46.53 | dmoerner | gentoo is only more up to date than debian if you enable all overlays and unmask all keywords |
| 04:46.57 | Xenguy | Advux: yes there is sid too |
| 04:46.58 | Advux | I wan't an OS that's fast up-to-date that's linux and that I can compile from source and that's Up-to-date. |
| 04:47.18 | Xenguy | Advux: well try gentoo then, and if it drives you crazy, come back to #debian ;-) |
| 04:47.32 | Advux | Okay, Xenguy ... |
| 04:47.36 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 04:47.41 | Advux | Question though. |
| 04:47.49 | Advux | If I wanted to install packages from unstable (Sid) in debian |
| 04:47.52 | Advux | how would I do that ? |
| 04:48.27 | Xenguy | Advux: RTFM. I know that it is done, but don't do it often myself, so look it up |
| 04:48.49 | iwkse | Advux: on gentoo? |
| 04:48.50 | Xenguy | Advux: packages or source? |
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| 04:49.18 | Advux | Packages Or Source (Source prefered) |
| 04:50.07 | gaintsura | does anyone have any suggestions for managing multiple sets of themes across workspaces? I've got 9 workspaces that I want wallpapered differently (got that already via compiz) and to be able to have icons and docs in different positions, different applets/desklets in different positions, etc. |
| 04:50.52 | gaintsura | docks* even |
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| 04:53.47 | simonrvn | "want" |
| 04:55.01 | gaintsura | ... |
| 04:55.03 | gaintsura | would like? |
| 04:55.04 | gaintsura | =) |
| 04:55.33 | gaintsura | unfortunately, finding 9 wallpapers that work with the same theme is... impossible? improbable..? |
| 04:56.28 | iwkse | it's also a weird idea |
| 04:56.30 | simonrvn | gaintsura: not you |
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| 04:57.22 | simonrvn | gaintsura: fyi, i've never seen various widgets and applets be in different places across desktops like that. icons maybe, but not usually. |
| 04:57.31 | gaintsura | :\ |
| 04:58.44 | simonrvn | maybe if you took something like fvwm or wmaker, and did something to it. i've never seen that done. but i'm no expert, of course. |
| 04:58.46 | moocow | hey guys |
| 04:59.00 | simonrvn | i'd say look around, you might find something |
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| 04:59.41 | moocow | i have an apple aluminum keyboard and need to make my own keymap (hopefully by modifying an existing standard 105 map) as the keystrokes don't match exactly |
| 04:59.56 | moocow | does anyone know how this is done? i'm googling precisely zilch on this one |
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| 05:00.25 | jhanssen | hi guyss... Good Morning |
| 05:00.36 | jhanssen | Anybody knows how to clean up my current gnome profile, like I would like to do a new gnome profile .. but even deleting the ~/.gnome* it doesn't work to me |
| 05:00.55 | moocow | delete .gnome2 and .config i think |
| 05:01.33 | moocow | .gconf and .gconfd might be needed also but i don't think so |
| 05:01.57 | moocow | that should do it, proving that fails, create a new user, move your files over and start over |
| 05:04.18 | jhanssen | hmm let me see |
| 05:04.22 | jhanssen | thanks moc |
| 05:04.29 | jhanssen | moocow, |
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| 05:05.12 | moocow | yeah sure |
| 05:08.43 | Advux | Who ever says Mooc0w and runs debian is a retard. |
| 05:08.43 | Advux | Lol. |
| 05:09.18 | moocow | you really don't have a clue, now do you? |
| 05:09.34 | Advux | Sure. |
| 05:09.52 | Hydroxide | Advux: please don't use this channel as a vehicle to insult someone |
| 05:10.00 | Advux | okay. |
| 05:10.06 | Advux | But it wasn't an insult |
| 05:10.12 | Advux | As such. |
| 05:10.19 | Advux | I'll shut up now |
| 05:10.19 | Advux | ;P |
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| 05:11.53 | Hydroxide | Advux: well, you called him a retard ... I appreciate that you will stop that, so thanks. if you're wondering where he got the association between "moocow" and Debian, try typing apt-get moo or aptitude moo, or look at the existence of cowsay in Debian :) |
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| 05:12.15 | Hydroxide | Advux: or, slightly more broadly, the presence of #moocows on irc.debian.org (==oftc not freenode) and CowBot in it |
| 05:13.08 | Advux | Larry the cow (Gentoo's mascot) hates your moo-cow. |
| 05:13.08 | Advux | Lol. |
| 05:13.14 | Hydroxide | heh |
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| 05:14.05 | Hydroxide | what can I say ... linux people have an affinity for the bovine :) |
| 05:14.15 | Lacrimas | If i place a cron file in a particular directory, will it do the cronjob commands from there? |
| 05:14.16 | Advux | Lol. |
| 05:14.35 | DDevine | Your mum's a bovine. |
| 05:14.46 | DDevine | oooh. Thems fightin words. |
| 05:14.49 | Advux | I want Debian's website to update sometime. |
| 05:14.51 | moocow | Lacrimas: yes, as long as its in /etc/hourly /etc/daily, etc. |
| 05:15.05 | Hydroxide | chews cud in DDevine's general direction. |
| 05:15.16 | Advux | lmao |
| 05:15.49 | Hydroxide | Advux: debian's website could admittedly use a major overhaul, yes |
| 05:15.55 | DDevine | Advux: Yeah I agree - but I think there is a few reasons why they don't update the look of the site. Old fogies don't like XHTML or anything like it is probably one reason. |
| 05:15.58 | simonrvn | /etc/cron* or a user's crontab, or /etc/crontab (stay out of that last one if you can help it...) |
| 05:16.02 | moocow | nonsense, debians website is fine |
| 05:16.05 | Lacrimas | moocow: at the moment its in /home/user/files. and im trying to run /home/user/files/script, by passing 15 * * * * ./script |
| 05:16.08 | simonrvn | Lacrimas: ^^^ |
| 05:16.15 | Advux | Yeah. |
| 05:16.16 | moocow | its informational, it gets to the point quickly and generally easy to get around |
| 05:16.23 | simonrvn | Lacrimas: you need full path |
| 05:16.38 | DDevine | moocow: Yes I do agree with you on that though. |
| 05:16.40 | Hydroxide | Advux: I know someone is planning to present a proposal at DebConf9 for an overall Debian visual redesign, based on her diploma thesis. no guarantee debian will adopt it, but it's interesting to see options |
| 05:16.42 | Lacrimas | Ah, well when i use the full path to run, it doesn't like it |
| 05:16.44 | Advux | So I found out you can use apt-build to install from source, are the applications that install from source up-to-date ? |
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| 05:16.53 | simonrvn | cron doesn't go looking in random dirs... |
| 05:17.14 | Hydroxide | Advux: feel free to follow along on the live video stream that will be provided if you're not attending, or look at the .ogg file that will eventually be posted some time in the future |
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| 05:18.35 | Advux | I'd LOVE to move from Gentoo to Debian. |
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| 05:19.05 | Advux | But, I need to know if the packages that I will install from source, Can I install certain packages from sid unstable, and compile them from source ? |
| 05:19.20 | xshadowfire | does debian not have a package for boost? or does it have some weird name :S |
| 05:19.53 | PinkFreud | heya folks. I'm seeing some odd behavior from 'ip addr flush' while running a xen dom0 kernel. The first time it's run on an interface, it exits with an error stating 'Failed to send flush request: Cannot assign requested address' |
| 05:19.55 | simonrvn | !ssd |
| 05:19.55 | dpkg | ssd is, like, (Solid State Disk) The D in SSD is really a misnomer. SSD storage is basically a huge block of RAM chips that functions like a hard drive. SSD drives (obviously) are extremely expensive, but offer very high data speeds that are necessary in some applications. They can also be used as large caches on huge RAID subsystems. |
| 05:20.08 | simonrvn | bah, wrong one... |
| 05:20.14 | simonrvn | !ssb |
| 05:20.14 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 05:20.24 | Advux | !hd |
| 05:20.24 | dpkg | from memory, hd is where you store your pr0n data. |
| 05:20.29 | Advux | !debian |
| 05:20.29 | dpkg | hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 05:20.34 | PinkFreud | any ideas why iproute would fail to flush an interface on it's first try? |
| 05:20.44 | Advux | !moo |
| 05:20.44 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.0/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 05:21.22 | PinkFreud | Advux: apt-get install iproute ; ip moo |
| 05:21.22 | Advux | So no one can answer my question ? |
| 05:21.32 | simonrvn | Advux: /msg the bot ... |
| 05:21.44 | songer | hello |
| 05:21.48 | Advux | and what ? |
| 05:21.51 | simonrvn | read the ssb factoid i made the bot spit out |
| 05:21.55 | songer | I have a question |
| 05:22.09 | songer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.39 | moocow | thats a statement |
| 05:23.42 | moocow | but whos counting :) |
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| 05:23.50 | songer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.56 | Advux | Lol. |
| 05:24.15 | moocow | songer: usb what precisely, usb keyboard or external usb drive? |
| 05:24.20 | songer | does exist any form to recoconize debian my usb? |
| 05:24.25 | Hydroxide | moocow: he said usb wireless a few lines up |
| 05:24.31 | songer | usb wirless |
| 05:24.37 | moocow | hehe, my bad |
| 05:24.45 | Hydroxide | songer: check the part of the installation manual that talks about how to install when you require firmware |
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| 05:24.52 | songer | http://www.provantage.com/connectgear-wu260n~7CONH00U.htm |
| 05:25.04 | moocow | songer: ubuntu includes a lot of proprietary stuff in the distro wheras debian doesn't by default |
| 05:25.08 | PinkFreud | hrm. any ideas on why iproute fails miserably when trying to flush an interface on it's first try? subsequent tries appear to work, but that first try is crucial, as it's run in a xen script. |
| 05:25.21 | moocow | there either wil be a repo with drivers / packages that work with your wireless card or you will haveto compile from scratch |
| 05:25.23 | Hydroxide | moocow, songer: lenny's install manual is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual |
| 05:25.34 | moocow | well not compile but make it work manually |
| 05:25.35 | Hydroxide | moocow, songer: it tells you how to provide firmware during an install so that the installer can load it |
| 05:25.58 | moocow | Hydroxide: try to leave me out of howtos, i'm well versed |
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| 05:26.20 | moocow | however, you wouldn't happen to know how keyboard maps are made on linux? i'm not googling anything on this at all |
| 05:26.34 | Hydroxide | moocow: I was just mentioning it because the advice you were giving didn't include the new-to-lenny easy way to do it |
| 05:26.41 | moocow | k :) |
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| 05:26.58 | Hydroxide | moocow: as for that, yeah. are you talking about in X or console? and in which version of debian? |
| 05:27.15 | songer | o ok I have instel pentium |
| 05:27.30 | Hydroxide | songer: for pentium, check the i386 version of the install manual |
| 05:27.37 | Hydroxide | songer: look for the parts of the install manual that mention firmware |
| 05:27.44 | Hydroxide | songer: they should tell you how to make it available to the installer |
| 05:27.45 | moocow | 5.0. i have a mac aluminum keyboard and was hoping i could remap a bunch of keys by modifying the 105 generic keymap |
| 05:27.57 | Hydroxide | moocow: in X or on the console? |
| 05:28.12 | songer | I don't see for i386 |
| 05:28.16 | Hydroxide | moocow: and can I ask what desktop environment? |
| 05:28.40 | Hydroxide | songer: sorry, I think that page refers to it as Intel x86 |
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| 05:28.52 | songer | ok |
| 05:28.58 | moocow | i'm running sumpwm, with bits and pieces from gnome and kde. gnome keyboard manager doesn't let me make new keymaps and i don't think the kde one does either. |
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| 05:29.19 | Hydroxide | moocow: right, if you want to customize beyond choosing from the options they provide, it's a bit more complicated |
| 05:29.48 | Hydroxide | moocow: have you seen something like this? http://www.charvolant.org/~doug/xkb/html/index.html |
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| 05:30.26 | PinkFreud | sighs and wanders off to file a bug report against iproute |
| 05:30.34 | moocow | ah. that looks pretty good. thx! |
| 05:30.46 | daryl_ | I have a friend downloading a file from my pc that i had posted on my apache webserver, how do I terminate that download? |
| 05:30.53 | RaymondX | i installed linux-image.2.6.27 kernel from the ubuntu repo in my debian and now it doesnt boot anymore....help! |
| 05:31.02 | daryl_ | He's not home so I don't know how to stop it. |
| 05:31.03 | Lacrimas | Any reason why when i run ./script it opens the logfile, but if i run /home/user/script it says it cant find the logfile |
| 05:31.10 | Hydroxide | moocow: also: http://madduck.net/docs/extending-xkb/ |
| 05:31.26 | simonrvn | you sure it's the right path? |
| 05:31.30 | moocow | appearently the keyword is xkb ... thanks for that :) |
| 05:31.44 | Lacrimas | Yep, the path is the same |
| 05:31.48 | Hydroxide | moocow: np |
| 05:31.55 | Lacrimas | It's pisg, if anyone wants to be particular |
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| 05:44.10 | dserban | 'allo, I recently had a power outage and upon restart, the system is hooped. Seems that grub is loading the kernel fine, but upon loading it it complains about a kernel panic that it can't load the filesystem. This is due to it complaining that earlier the initrd image is corrupt. I had recently run an update, but I'm not sure if the filesystem is actually having issues, or if there was an upgrade applied to my initrd images. it |
| 05:44.10 | dserban | happens with the previous kernel install as well 2.6.26 (i'm running sid). .. checking the filesystem right now (jfs) but I don't think it's the problem. Currently I'm logged in using knoppix, the partition mounts no problem etc... what can I do? chroot and mkinitrd? |
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| 05:45.18 | simonrvn | chroot and update-initramfs |
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| 05:45.36 | simonrvn | just make sure to mount /proc and bind mount /dev |
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| 05:46.33 | ajavid | Hydroxide, is alive! |
| 05:48.33 | dserban | how do I mount proc? after bind mounting dev, I try to chroot and it complains that it can't run the command /bin/bash Exec format error ... hmm my copy of knoppix iis prolly too old :( |
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| 05:48.44 | THZone | Good evening folks. |
| 05:48.50 | dserban | 'evenin' |
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| 05:48.53 | THZone | I'm getting the following: |
| 05:48.53 | THZone | E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:2: Extra junk at end of file |
| 05:49.00 | THZone | How do i fix this? |
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| 05:50.24 | iwkse | THZone: remove the extra junk |
| 05:51.01 | Advux | Hello, Can any user help Me, How Can I install packages from the Unstable Tree ? |
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| 05:51.53 | iwkse | Advux: packages.debian.org |
| 05:52.09 | Advux | All that is to me is a website. |
| 05:52.24 | Advux | editing /etc/apt/sources.list and changing your sources from stable to unstable. |
| 05:52.25 | Advux | ? |
| 05:52.25 | iwkse | Advux: it's not a casual website |
| 05:52.45 | iwkse | Advux: if you do this you mess up your system |
| 05:52.52 | THZone | WTF |
| 05:52.55 | THZone | I deleted the file |
| 05:52.59 | THZone | touched and created a new one |
| 05:53.05 | THZone | and it's saying there's still crap at the end... |
| 05:53.21 | Advux | Who cares, iwkse ? |
| 05:53.22 | Advux | Lol. |
| 05:53.54 | iwkse | Advux: if you don't care you can try the way you said |
| 05:54.16 | songer | excuseme |
| 05:54.33 | songer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.00 | THZone | UGH |
| 05:55.04 | THZone | Can someone *PLEASE* help me? |
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| 06:08.56 | Gh0st3r | for some reason my version of Linux (Linux Mint) comes up with failures when I try and run anything containing the line "from socket import *" in python, what package do i need to get rid of these errors :-P |
| 06:09.51 | simonrvn | we don't do mint here... |
| 06:11.39 | Gh0st3r | simonrvn, same base... Debian |
| 06:12.16 | Hydroxide | Gh0st3r: right, but they change things that we have no way of predicting. |
| 06:12.35 | Hydroxide | Gh0st3r: we don't support ubuntu or knoppix or linspire either, just like #ubuntu and #knoppix don't support debian |
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| 06:14.09 | DexterLB | morning |
| 06:14.09 | DexterLB | I made my own debian package. I'm done with the copyright, control, compat, changelog and rules files. My package compiles and works. |
| 06:14.09 | DexterLB | Now I have a couple of questions. |
| 06:14.30 | Advux | ask DexterLB. |
| 06:14.55 | DexterLB | 1. What should I do so that my program appears in the gnome menus? (what should I put in the menu file) |
| 06:15.31 | Hydroxide | DexterLB: have you read the debian menu policy? /usr/share/doc/menu/menu.txt.gz |
| 06:15.44 | DexterLB | ok, thanks |
| 06:16.08 | Hydroxide | DexterLB: also, the best place to get help with new-packager questions is #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (== irc.oftc.net NOT irc.freenode.net) and/or debian-mentors@lists.debian.org |
| 06:16.24 | Hydroxide | DexterLB: it's not off-topic here per se, but this channel is more focused on end-user issues. good luck! |
| 06:16.32 | DexterLB | ok |
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| 06:21.29 | Gh0st3r | Hydroxide, no problems.... thanks for the help anyways |
| 06:22.15 | Hydroxide | Gh0st3r: sure. |
| 06:23.31 | mig5 | Gh0st3r: there's a #linuxmint on irc.spotchat.org apparently that might be of help |
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| 06:24.21 | Gh0st3r | mig5, thanks :) |
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| 06:24.41 | Omar871 | I have a .tar.bz2 package of the flock browser, and I'll like to create a .deb package out of it, how do I do that? |
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| 06:28.18 | Omar871 | anyone? |
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| 06:29.53 | treFF | hi |
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| 06:30.27 | treFF | can someone tell me why proc/sys/dev/speed_limit_min/max doesnt have any effect on resync speed? |
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| 06:32.06 | treFF | no matter what I echo into it speed remains constant at about 1000K/sec / disk |
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| 06:34.35 | treFF | and the system is struggling with ~80% iowait while it has no problem at all with 5 times greater io loads :/ |
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| 06:40.32 | prophet | how do i install kde |
| 06:40.47 | prophet | what is the package, |
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| 06:43.53 | Buglouse | Trying to get my multi monitor setup to work with synergy. I have two box. Three monitor. One box has two monitor, two screens. I have syn server on one box(1),one screen,one monitor. syn clients on other box(2) two screen, two monitor. I have synergy from box1 connect to box2. I cannot controll box2 screen 2, from box2 screen1 I drag the mouse to where screen2 should be, but it only stays there. I've setup hotkeys with syn and when i try to |
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| 06:49.31 | ootput | Omar871: what is a .deb package? |
| 06:49.40 | ootput | and what's in the .tar.bz2? |
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| 06:59.11 | g00se | Trying to remember the sequence of getting my wireless card working. I've modprobed rt61pci. Should i not be seeing the iface (normally ra0) now with ifconfig? |
| 06:59.34 | sepult | aptitude is an ass |
| 06:59.46 | sepult | apt-get is superior |
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| 07:00.12 | sepult | does not tell me to install a new linux-image for which i don't have any use ... |
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| 07:01.27 | fxiny | are you talking recommennded ? aptitude is far more advanced then apt-get |
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| 07:02.12 | sepult | even if i turn off recommended it does tell me i have to install them |
| 07:02.25 | sepult | apt-get does not tell me that |
| 07:02.47 | sepult | i think aptitude is buggy |
| 07:03.27 | fxiny | lenny aptitude is a fine piece of software |
| 07:03.38 | sepult | i'm on lenny |
| 07:03.43 | sepult | that's why i wonder |
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| 07:05.32 | jimpy | aptitiude is superior to apt-get |
| 07:05.48 | sepult | i don't think so... |
| 07:05.50 | jimpy | the secret is not to use the gui |
| 07:05.57 | sepult | ah |
| 07:06.09 | sepult | i knew there was something buggy with it |
| 07:06.27 | jimpy | use it the same way as apt-get and apt-cache in one |
| 07:06.32 | sepult | nope |
| 07:06.34 | sepult | no more |
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| 07:06.39 | jimpy | like aptitude search x or apritude install y |
| 07:06.51 | sepult | i have enough grep, sed knowledge to filter out the ones i don't want to have |
| 07:07.24 | jimpy | what inparticular are you having a problem with? |
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| 07:07.28 | sepult | and besides apt-get has more customization options than aptitude i think |
| 07:08.00 | sepult | jimpy: it tells me to install linux-image-2.6.26-2-686!!!! |
| 07:08.20 | fxiny | which is the latest lenny kernel |
| 07:08.23 | jimpy | 0o |
| 07:08.24 | sepult | jimpy: i don't want it and i don't know why that should be a dependency |
| 07:08.31 | fxiny | what are you waiting for ? |
| 07:08.47 | jimpy | are you sure its a dependancy and not a 'held back' package |
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| 07:09.17 | jimpy | the kernel has never appeared as a dependancy before |
| 07:09.20 | sepult | it's held back in apt-get |
| 07:09.28 | sepult | but that does not count for aptitude |
| 07:09.50 | jimpy | and what are you installing? |
| 07:10.01 | sepult | oh i already installed what i had to |
| 07:10.07 | sepult | all with apt-get |
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| 07:10.32 | fxiny | that's exactly what i want : a smarter apt-get in aptitude shoes , i do cli only , no ncurse |
| 07:10.35 | eldereko | how do you copy paste in a terminal without x? |
| 07:10.44 | PingFloyd | jimpy: no, the secret is to use both the cli and ui of it |
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| 07:10.59 | g00se | sepult: afaik you can't really mix the two - which you probably have been doing (?) |
| 07:11.27 | jimpy | PingFloyd: how is the ui useful? |
| 07:11.36 | PingFloyd | jimpy: it's very useful in certain situations |
| 07:11.40 | sepult | g00se: yes starting with tasksel put's me to aptitude that's why |
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| 07:12.08 | g00se | sepult: the only time is use apt-get is with apt-get aptitude |
| 07:12.09 | jimpy | to be honest ive never looked at it before, here goes nothing |
| 07:12.21 | g00se | s/is use/i use |
| 07:12.33 | PingFloyd | jimpy: much of its usefulness doesn't become appearant until later |
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| 07:12.45 | fxiny | eldereko: gpm ? |
| 07:13.09 | PingFloyd | jimpy: the cli is fine for when you need to do quick day to day things |
| 07:13.22 | PingFloyd | jimpy: but the ui is handy when you need to troubleshoot things |
| 07:13.25 | eldereko | without a mouse too |
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| 07:14.04 | jimpy | thats fair enough, a tree based view on things can be nice |
| 07:14.11 | PingFloyd | jimpy: yeah |
| 07:14.26 | PingFloyd | jimpy: also you can toggle the info in the detail pain by hitting i |
| 07:15.01 | PingFloyd | jimpy: all of that can be done through cli, but some task are quicker in the ui, it just depends |
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| 07:15.33 | PingFloyd | jimpy: aptitude's devs were smart by having it have both interfaces |
| 07:15.37 | fxiny | !nopaste |
| 07:15.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 07:15.46 | fxiny | wrong factoid |
| 07:15.53 | cheeseboy | when i run useradd how do i get it to ask for everything? |
| 07:15.59 | PingFloyd | jimpy: and choosing ncurses as the ui since does away with requiring X |
| 07:16.10 | PingFloyd | jimpy: which can be a real saver in some situations |
| 07:16.26 | g00se | cheeseboy: try adduser |
| 07:16.29 | fxiny | there was a factoid about pasting withoud mouse and x called nopaste |
| 07:17.01 | cheeseboy | g00se i know adduser but i mean on like gentoo it asks for more info like expiration date and stuff |
| 07:17.09 | PingFloyd | eldereko: you can use screen to copy and paste |
| 07:17.13 | nkuttler | fxiny: pastebinit? |
| 07:17.15 | g00se | cheeseboy: ah i see |
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| 07:18.06 | fxiny | nkuttler: nope. i have an old note . to be downloaded at http://n01se.net/agriffis/nopaste/nopaste-1992 |
| 07:18.26 | eldereko | PingFloyd: thanks! |
| 07:18.49 | fxiny | nkuttler: it requires ruby |
| 07:18.50 | jimpy | cheeseboy: im fairly sure that is adduser |
| 07:18.57 | g00se | cheeseboy: you might have seen something distro-specific, not command-specific |
| 07:19.02 | fxiny | an old factoid |
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| 07:19.13 | cheeseboy | jimpy i know its adduser |
| 07:19.34 | cheeseboy | i want gentoos form of adduser on debian tho |
| 07:19.46 | jimpy | oh i see |
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| 07:20.17 | sepult | why isn't there any mechanism in debian to uninstall say in a mixed distribution of lenny, squeeze, experimental and sid those files which don't belong to the package proper ? upon turning back to stable there is a very big mess you can't shovell off |
| 07:20.19 | cheeseboy | mebe it was arch linux |
| 07:20.22 | ootput | then fetch gentoo's form of adduser? |
| 07:20.25 | cheeseboy | i dont rember |
| 07:20.38 | cheeseboy | it was just more verbose |
| 07:20.54 | sepult | and i mean it's so easy for the users to get trapped by that mixing... |
| 07:21.09 | ootput | sepult: I guess a mixed-system is usually advised against, and that if you're capable of polluting the system, then you ought to be able to clean up after yourself? |
| 07:21.58 | ootput | script the removal-of-packages-not-from-release behaviour |
| 07:22.12 | sepult | ootput: that's the main problem, you can't do that, but if there was say a mechanizm which would really do a 1:1 count of files to packages, only then it would be possible... |
| 07:23.42 | fxiny | maybe this can help : http://simple.be/software/daudit/ |
| 07:23.47 | ootput | are you stuck in a rut? |
| 07:23.48 | sepult | ootput: that would require another packaging system i think |
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| 07:26.53 | sepult | fxiny: seems to be a start at least |
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| 07:27.52 | sepult | fxiny: but it does not only happen with 3 relases it happens with all else too like www.debian-multimedia.org and backports |
| 07:27.55 | fxiny | sepult: is from a debian mlist thread , more/alternative suggestions on the thread , i'm trying to find it |
| 07:29.26 | fxiny | sepult: a mixed backports system ? i have upgraded my backports/dmm/volatile etch to lenny with aptitude , not a single problem :) |
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| 07:30.20 | fxiny | aptitude took nearly an hour to solve all dependencies in my old PII 400 , i'm still impressed |
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| 07:33.11 | fxiny | sepult: the thread is : Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 , debian security list --> Subject: How safely to stop using backports repo? |
| 07:33.39 | sepult | fxiny: thank you |
| 07:34.10 | fxiny | eldereko: np |
| 07:34.13 | fxiny | oops |
| 07:34.18 | fxiny | sepult: :) |
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| 07:38.53 | PingFloyd | sepult: what do you mean? |
| 07:39.24 | sepult | PingFloyd: mean what ? where ? when ? |
| 07:39.58 | sepult | PingFloyd: did i talk to you earlier ? |
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| 07:41.24 | zxd | hi |
| 07:41.27 | zxd | having trouble here |
| 07:41.34 | zxd | with debootstrap |
| 07:41.37 | zxd | getting W: Failure trying to run: chroot /var/lib/tftpboot/ubuntu mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 07:41.42 | xNinjai | http://pastebin.ca/1450422 |
| 07:42.11 | sepult | zxd: don't you have to mount proc before you changeroot into it ? |
| 07:43.36 | xNinja | hi |
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| 07:45.00 | xNinja | hello can someone help ? |
| 07:45.04 | PingFloyd | sepult: 02:20 < sepult> why isn't there any mechanism in debian to uninstall say in a mixed distribution of lenny, squeeze, experimental and sid those files which don't belong to the package proper ? upon turning back to stable there is a very big mess you can't shovell off |
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| 07:47.41 | zxd | it isn't extracting any files |
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| 07:49.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | zxd, what are you trying to achieve? |
| 07:50.37 | sepult | PingFloyd: it is already answered! |
| 07:50.52 | sepult | PingFloyd: see fxiny's answer |
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| 07:52.22 | sepult | PingFloyd: it's the files of the packages we talked about, which have the same names and upon mixing, the identity of them, as to which package they really belong to is compromised |
| 07:53.00 | sepult | PingFloyd: and when then want's to turn back to the stable distro there is no way back |
| 07:53.18 | sepult | PingFloyd: s/when/when one/ |
| 07:53.51 | zxd | Kamping_Kaiser: using debootstrap to set up ubuntu jaunty |
| 07:54.30 | zxd | Kamping_Kaiser: it isn't extracting all the packages to the destination even though it says it is in the terminal |
| 07:54.33 | zxd | Extracting ... |
| 07:54.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | zxd, try building the chroot elseware (eg /home/chroot) and see if that succeeds |
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| 07:56.32 | zxd | Kamping_Kaiser: why? |
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| 07:57.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | zxd, to help work out why its failing. the other option is you give us more info, other then one line of error. (or ask an ubuntu channel, who may know about issues bootstraping that system) |
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| 08:28.19 | g00se | If there is an internal wireless card and an external pcmcia one too, how do i tell which one is identified as wlan0? |
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| 08:32.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | g00se, dmesg |
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| 08:36.52 | g00se | Kamping_Kaiser: It's a little more complex: wlan0 only appears with ifconfig -a and wlan0 doesn't appear at all in dmesg |
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| 08:37.33 | nkuttler | g00se: if there's nothing in dmesg the nic shouldn't be up |
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| 08:38.02 | g00se | nkuttler: don't worry - it isn't ;-) |
| 08:38.24 | nkuttler | g00se: which makes your initial question pointless, doesn't it? |
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| 08:39.15 | g00se | nkuttler: i'm actually trying to see an iface from either card. Neither is up. rt61 driver is loaded for pcmcia though |
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| 08:40.16 | nkuttler | g00se: did you build your own kernel? |
| 08:40.19 | g00se | nkuttler: i was wondering if i attempt to bring up wlan0, which card it'd be |
| 08:40.46 | g00se | nkuttler: No - kernel is stock lenny |
| 08:41.05 | nkuttler | g00se: /msg dpkg z25 i guess |
| 08:41.20 | doxtor | lenny's kde is version 3, right? |
| 08:41.33 | nkuttler | doxtor: yeah |
| 08:42.00 | g00se | [ 16.565923] rt61pci 0000:07:00.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002) suggests something is happening |
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| 08:45.26 | g00se | nkuttler: z25 is interesting, but am not sure what it's telling me |
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| 09:03.46 | anddam | hi |
| 09:04.25 | sepult | hi anddam |
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| 09:05.57 | sepult | COMMIES GET UNDRESSED! |
| 09:06.21 | anddam | they always do |
| 09:06.44 | anddam | what latex editor can I use on lenny? I'm used to TexShop on OS X |
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| 09:08.00 | sepult | anddam: lynx, auctex+emacs, kile, texmacs, ... |
| 09:08.04 | sepult | anddam: lot's of |
| 09:08.07 | anddam | also how can I install a small latex core? I suspect the texlive metapackage will end installing too much software, I usually just stay with BasicTeX on OS X |
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| 09:08.18 | anddam | sepult: suggest one of those |
| 09:08.50 | sepult | anddam: for gui, i would recommend you kile, or lyx, and even texmacs |
| 09:09.01 | anddam | lyx has its own dialect |
| 09:09.10 | anddam | kile sounds kde-ish |
| 09:09.10 | sepult | anddam: lyx is cool too |
| 09:09.19 | anddam | sepult: but that's not what I'm searching |
| 09:09.32 | anddam | and I knew it already, btw |
| 09:09.35 | anddam | pro and cons |
| 09:09.35 | sepult | anddam: what then ? |
| 09:09.43 | sepult | anddam: are you on gnome ? |
| 09:09.49 | anddam | dunno, a plain decent editor with autocompletion and syntax coloring |
| 09:09.56 | anddam | maybe snippets support and block hiding |
| 09:10.02 | anddam | gnustep |
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| 09:10.26 | sepult | anddam: or vim with vimoutliner and vim-latex-suite |
| 09:10.49 | anddam | in terminal emulator? |
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| 09:10.55 | sepult | anddam: it has even gui with gvim |
| 09:11.02 | anddam | I relly never explored the gvim worl |
| 09:11.04 | anddam | world |
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| 09:11.23 | sepult | anddam: you even have with that latex specific menus in gvim |
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| 09:14.33 | anddam | I'll have a look, now you made me think if a gnustep editor exists |
| 09:15.18 | anddam | oh btw am I right understanding that tlmgr isn't installed in debian's texlive? |
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| 09:15.57 | sepult | there is just one gnustep specific latex app, that's latex.service |
| 09:16.03 | sepult | it's just a rendering engine |
| 09:16.18 | sepult | not a true editor |
| 09:16.27 | sepult | or use kate |
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| 09:18.21 | anddam | that's the kde editor? |
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| 09:18.29 | sepult | yes |
| 09:18.38 | anddam | what about tlmgr? |
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| 09:19.06 | sepult | tlmgr ? |
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| 09:19.30 | sepult | it's not in lenny |
| 09:19.32 | wildc4rd | an off topic question, is there a good/useful channel for discussing internet security and encryption? |
| 09:19.36 | sepult | if ever it exists |
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| 09:20.21 | sepult | anddam: just install texlive-full |
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| 09:22.57 | anddam | sepski: I'm low on disk space |
| 09:23.01 | anddam | really |
| 09:23.35 | anddam | sepult: tlmgr is the texlive pkg manager |
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| 09:23.53 | anddam | sepult: iirc there was a discussion about wether have a pkg manager into apt or not |
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| 09:25.13 | sepult | anddam: i installed all related to texlive |
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| 09:49.29 | jony123 | anyone know a good tut for setting up web(with php) , email , mysql servers |
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| 10:24.24 | bawokmantap | hello |
| 10:24.26 | bawokmantap | i need help about Your IPv4 endpoint is unreachable or unstable. Please make sure ICMP is not blocked. , what command for open blocked ICMP ? |
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| 10:27.58 | hoohaah_ | is it normal to have "Not Installed" packages only list 2, while "New Packages" lists ~ 26K ? |
| 10:28.16 | hoohaah_ | shouldn't "New Packages" only list those recently added to repository with no previous version? |
| 10:29.16 | bawokmantap | what command for opern ICMP ping incoming client request ? |
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| 10:29.57 | simonrvn | hoohaah: that sometimes happens when somethign happened during the update previously. shouldn't matter too much after another update. |
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| 10:30.22 | hoohaah | yeah, i was hoping an update fixed it, but 6 updates later (2 months) it's still the same |
| 10:30.45 | hoohaah | might pinning unstable to testing cause this? |
| 10:31.14 | simonrvn | erm, what? |
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| 10:31.57 | hoohaah | if it's nothing to do with repo-issues, could it be the act of pinning? I haven't done anything to root files since 2 months ago besides creating the pin |
| 10:32.16 | hoohaah | simonrvn: for instance, is yours listed properly? |
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| 10:33.00 | bnkSir | how can i increase my tmp space in lenny? |
| 10:33.05 | bnkSir | any help would be appreciated |
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| 10:33.18 | Zvpun | I am looking for a description of the groups pulse, pulse-access, pulse-rt, where can I find that please? |
| 10:33.21 | hoohaah | bnkSir: is /tmp on a separate partition? |
| 10:33.27 | bnkSir | nope |
| 10:33.34 | hoohaah | bnkSir: otherwise it's size is limited by / |
| 10:33.45 | hoohaah | bnkSir: or do you mean swap space? |
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| 10:34.01 | bnkSir | nope i mean the tmp space |
| 10:34.14 | bnkSir | yes its size is limited by / |
| 10:34.23 | bnkSir | but i have give a 2 gb swap space too |
| 10:34.33 | bnkSir | given* |
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| 10:35.44 | hoohaah | bnkSir: swap space is separate from /tmp |
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| 10:35.56 | bnkSir | is there no way to do that? |
| 10:36.00 | fxiny | bnkSir: tmpfs /dev/shm ? |
| 10:36.02 | bnkSir | yes i know that |
| 10:36.10 | barmagnet | Debian treats the hardware clock as UTC by default. how can I make it consider it as local time? |
| 10:36.13 | airbender | whichi pkg has the good old command 'mail'? |
| 10:36.23 | hoohaah | barmagnet: rcS file |
| 10:36.38 | hoohaah | barmagnet: /etc/default/ |
| 10:37.01 | barmagnet | hoohaah, UTC=no? that's all? |
| 10:37.05 | hoohaah | airbender: there are a few. bsd-mailx |
| 10:37.11 | hoohaah | barmagnet: should be |
| 10:37.33 | Zvpun | Anyone using pulseaudio? What groups do I have to be in, is audio enough? What are the groups pulse, pulse-rt and pulse-audio for? |
| 10:37.34 | bnkSir | i did not get u what u meant fxiny |
| 10:37.34 | airbender | hoohaah, thank you firelord |
| 10:37.40 | hoohaah | heh |
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| 10:38.00 | fxiny | bnkSir: do you want to increase tmpfs ? |
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| 10:38.29 | bnkSir | i want to increase my tmp space |
| 10:38.44 | hoohaah | bnkSir: I still don't quite follow |
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| 10:38.53 | bnkSir | it shows as 2 gb free space from the / or other partitions |
| 10:38.55 | hoohaah | what are you hoping to achieve with increased 'tmp space'? |
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| 10:39.12 | barmagnet | what do I need to restart after editing /etc/default/rcS ? |
| 10:39.19 | diffred | hi! I've just installed debian stable (cd1 , gnome). Now I have a problem, the system works fine but it can't mount any of my other devices ( external usb hd and other partitions), what should I do? |
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| 10:40.10 | bnkSir | but in /tmp it shows as 1004kb free |
| 10:40.11 | bnkSir | many of my applications have stopped working due to no space in the tmp folder |
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| 10:40.12 | hoohaah | bnkSir: mount | grep tmp |
| 10:40.23 | fxiny | i see , something went wrong |
| 10:40.44 | bnkSir | overflow on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,size=1048576,mode=1777) |
| 10:40.51 | fxiny | yes , overflow |
| 10:40.51 | bnkSir | this is what it shows |
| 10:41.15 | bnkSir | tell me how to fix this tmp over flow? |
| 10:41.24 | hoohaah | bnkSir: is this a debian machine? |
| 10:41.27 | fxiny | i rebooted |
| 10:41.31 | bnkSir | yep |
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| 10:41.53 | bnkSir | it is debian 5 |
| 10:41.54 | bnkSir | lenny |
| 10:42.07 | hoohaah | bnkSir: so you have limited space on / ? |
| 10:42.21 | bnkSir | yes |
| 10:42.24 | fxiny | df shows overflow and all scripts using /tmp are dead |
| 10:42.35 | diffred | I've just installed debian stable (cd1 , gnome). Now I have a problem, the system works fine but it can't mount any of my other devices ( external usb hd and other partitions), what should I do? |
| 10:42.37 | bnkSir | i have pretty low space on my hard disk / partition |
| 10:42.39 | hoohaah | are you both the same person? |
| 10:42.47 | bnkSir | no |
| 10:42.56 | hoohaah | bnkSir: what partitions do you already have |
| 10:43.01 | bnkSir | probably fxiny is trying to help me out |
| 10:43.03 | hoohaah | bnkSir: the one where you intend to have tmp on |
| 10:43.13 | fxiny | bnkSir: were you installing debs ? upgrading ? |
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| 10:43.27 | hoohaah | bnkSir: You can set TMPDIR= to some other location |
| 10:43.44 | hoohaah | bnkSir: if that fails, mount -o bind /path/to/partition/with/space/tmp /tmp |
| 10:43.44 | bnkSir | yes it just now tried to update the softwares installed |
| 10:44.17 | hoohaah | bnkSir: apt-get autoclean first, to see if you can reclaim some space on / |
| 10:44.33 | fxiny | bnkSir: it happened to me once when upgrading , i could not find a better way so i just rebooted |
| 10:44.36 | bnkSir | ok i ll do that |
| 10:45.06 | fxiny | hoohaah: it wont go away clearing apt cache |
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| 10:45.22 | hoohaah | fxiny: because /tmp is mounted overflow |
| 10:45.26 | fxiny | yes |
| 10:45.36 | hoohaah | fxiny: /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp? |
| 10:45.40 | hoohaah | or something like that |
| 10:45.43 | fxiny | hoohaah: nive one ! |
| 10:45.48 | fxiny | lemme see |
| 10:46.28 | bnkSir | will a reboot do ? |
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| 10:46.48 | ootput | bnkSir: it's not needed |
| 10:47.02 | ootput | may as well fix it now |
| 10:47.18 | bnkSir | lemme know then how to do it. |
| 10:47.18 | ootput | do as hoohaah suggested, and create a tmp dir on some partition with extra space |
| 10:47.30 | ootput | umount /tmp; mount -o bind /blah/tmp /tmp |
| 10:47.43 | hoohaah | bnkSir: i already told you how |
| 10:47.45 | fxiny | hoohaah: good , now i know it :) |
| 10:47.53 | bnkSir | ok lemme do that now |
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| 10:49.24 | bnkSir | it says that tmp device is busy |
| 10:49.30 | fxiny | i got my scripts using /dev/shm/tmp after that f* overflow |
| 10:49.48 | hoohaah | bnkSir: it probably is |
| 10:50.00 | hoohaah | fuser /tmp |
| 10:50.28 | bnkSir | can i kill that ? |
| 10:50.32 | bnkSir | is it a process? |
| 10:50.33 | diffred | I've just installed debian stable (cd1 , gnome). Now I have a problem, the system works fine but it can't mount any of my other devices ( external usb hd and other partitions), what should I do?. |
| 10:50.34 | hoohaah | what? |
| 10:50.46 | hoohaah | bnkSir: it lists procs/users currently accessing /tmp |
| 10:50.57 | bnkSir | oh ok fine |
| 10:51.14 | bnkSir | is there a way to release that? |
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| 10:51.23 | hoohaah | release what |
| 10:51.27 | hoohaah | pastebin it |
| 10:51.32 | hoohaah | i'm not telepathic :) |
| 10:51.44 | mib_kd8zuxbo | hey can anyone help me in creating a metapackage |
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| 10:53.43 | kensukeido | hi, i need extract a FOLDER1.tar.gz whit other name... FOLDER2 |
| 10:53.49 | kensukeido | is possible? |
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| 10:54.12 | mib_kd8zuxbo | hey can anyone help me in creating a metapackage |
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| 10:55.00 | hoohaah | kensukeido: man tar |
| 10:55.09 | hoohaah | kensukeido: specifically --directory |
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| 10:56.29 | kensukeido | i can set the directory, but i can't change the name of directory compress |
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| 10:57.43 | Phlogi_ | how can I fix this update troubles? http://pastebin.com/m5b722ae3 |
| 10:57.48 | bawokmantap | i need help about IPv4 endpoint is unreachable or unstable. Please make sure ICMP is not blocked. , what command for open blocked ICMP ? |
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| 10:58.39 | diffred | New to debian. Just installed the stable release. How can I install the "restricted extras" package to play flash, mp3 and such? |
| 10:58.45 | fxiny | icmp is a protocol |
| 10:58.59 | nsadmin | bawokmantap: can you ping? |
| 10:59.28 | nsadmin | ping is also known as "ICMP echo" |
| 10:59.28 | cahoot | diffred: enabl debian-multimedia - /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 11:00.01 | diffred | cahoot, you mean I should run that command? |
| 11:00.04 | hoohaah | Phlogi_: how many repositories are you tracking? |
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| 11:00.25 | cahoot | diffred: /msg dpkg dmm in your irc client |
| 11:00.29 | Phlogi_ | hoohaah: testing actually |
| 11:00.39 | hoohaah | Phlogi_: it seems you're trying to overwrite cvs- versions of pckages with non-cvs |
| 11:00.41 | Phlogi_ | hoohaah: how can i force to remove a package? |
| 11:00.48 | Phlogi_ | hoohaah: hmm yes |
| 11:00.52 | hoohaah | Phlogi_: if so, remove (both of) them |
| 11:00.59 | bawokmantap | nsadmin : can |
| 11:01.16 | hoohaah | Phlogi_: what's preventing you from removing them normally? |
| 11:01.19 | Phlogi_ | hoohaah: with normal apt-get remove? |
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| 11:01.31 | nsadmin | probably icmp is not blocked... BUT there is more to icmp than just ping |
| 11:01.36 | cahoot | diffred: actually to simply play mp3 that's not needed |
| 11:01.37 | hoohaah | Phlogi_: why does it need to be forced? |
| 11:01.42 | Phlogi_ | http://pastebin.com/m46140b33 |
| 11:01.47 | Phlogi_ | hoohaah: it suggested |
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| 11:02.12 | bawokmantap | nsadmin : but i try to tunnel ipv6 on tunnelbrokers.net says IPv4 endpoint is unreachable or unstable. Please make sure ICMP is not blocked |
| 11:02.14 | cahoot | diffred: more like installing gstreamer-plugins-bad or such |
| 11:02.14 | hoohaah | Phlogi_: wth is that? |
| 11:02.22 | hoohaah | Phlogi_: are you sure you're only tracky Testing? |
| 11:02.31 | hoohaah | Phlogi_: where you tracking any other release previously? |
| 11:02.38 | Phlogi_ | hoohaah: no, there is one additional... how can remove all of that cra at once? |
| 11:02.51 | hoohaah | Phlogi_: give me all the details please |
| 11:03.03 | Phlogi_ | hoohaah: removed everything now |
| 11:03.07 | Phlogi_ | seems to work |
| 11:03.18 | hoohaah | Phlogi_: which other repo did you track? |
| 11:03.19 | nsadmin | bawokmantap: not sure. can you ping the ipv6 gateway? |
| 11:03.23 | bawokmantap | wait |
| 11:03.34 | Phlogi_ | hoohaah: some unofficial with live builds of amule |
| 11:03.42 | bawokmantap | nsadmin : says , connect: Network is unreachable |
| 11:04.11 | hoohaah | Phlogi_: which was that? |
| 11:04.20 | hoohaah | Phlogi_: it's in your sources.list. Just tell me man |
| 11:04.32 | Phlogi_ | hoohaah: jup |
| 11:04.35 | Phlogi_ | hoohaah: second mate |
| 11:04.44 | hoohaah | Phlogi_: .. because package versions from that may conflict with what's available officially |
| 11:04.45 | nsadmin | ok, can you ping it by its ipv4 addr? |
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| 11:05.11 | hoohaah | Phlogi_: and you're bound to run into this problem again unless you fix it properly |
| 11:05.12 | Phlogi_ | hoohaah: deb http://www.vollstreckernet.de/debian/ testing amule wx |
| 11:05.19 | Phlogi_ | hoohaah: yes that was the issue I guess |
| 11:05.27 | bawokmantap | nsadmin : can |
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| 11:05.51 | hoohaah | Phlogi_: actually no. The release file seems to only mention a few packages. None of them multimedia-related |
| 11:06.15 | Phlogi_ | hoohaah: weird, maybe I installed that stuff by hand long ago or something |
| 11:06.24 | hoohaah | Phlogi_: not exactly sure how you pulled in those svn versions |
| 11:06.27 | hoohaah | probably |
| 11:06.34 | Phlogi_ | hoohaah: :) |
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| 11:07.00 | nsadmin | bawokmantap: this is just at the edge of my knowledge... but I suspect the tunnel isn't set up properly |
| 11:07.08 | bawokmantap | nsadmin : can for ping ipv4 addr if ping6 ipv6addr is can`t and says connect: Network is unreachable |
| 11:07.42 | diffred | New to debian. Can't figure out how to install the "restricted extras" ubuntu-like package. Mainly flash and mp3 and the like. Also, the system works fine, but it can't mount any of my other devices (external HD, and other ntfs partitions). Any idea? |
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| 11:08.09 | hoohaah | did you ask this just a moment ago? |
| 11:08.41 | hoohaah | diffred: there's no 'bundle' to compare with Ubuntu's |
| 11:08.53 | hoohaah | diffred: you'd need to to fetch these separately. |
| 11:09.03 | diffred | hoohaah, sorry, first time in debian, and after googling I've come here for help |
| 11:09.16 | hoohaah | what did google show? |
| 11:09.29 | hoohaah | sources.list should contain references to non-free |
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| 11:09.58 | diffred | hoohaah, could you please give me names of packages such that I could run "apt-get install xyz" ? |
| 11:10.24 | bawokmantap | nsadmin : yes but if i am tunneling the tunnelbrokers says like this... IPv4 endpoint is unreachable or unstable. Please make sure ICMP is not blocked. , any command tu turn off all firewall ? |
| 11:10.24 | Nightchill | apt-search? |
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| 11:11.14 | hoohaah | !tell diffred about adobe flash |
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| 11:16.52 | bawokmantap | if i am tunneling the tunnelbrokers says like this... IPv4 endpoint is unreachable or unstable. Please make sure ICMP is not blocked. , any command to turn off all firewall ? |
| 11:17.22 | hoohaah | notices the echo in the room |
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| 11:20.12 | jimpy | bawokmantap: there isnt a firewall by default on debian |
| 11:20.20 | jimpy | everything is allowed |
| 11:20.59 | bawokmantap | jimpy : so how i solved this problem? http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-iptables-9-allow-icmp-ping.html <<-- i try this but same can`t |
| 11:21.13 | jimpy | are you getting anything from `iptables -L -n`? |
| 11:21.20 | hedgehoginfog | My microphone captures noise from the background along with my voice. Any suggestion? Conexant CX20561 Hermosa sound card |
| 11:21.46 | bawokmantap | yes |
| 11:23.02 | jimpy | bawokmantap: ok so is the policy set to drop for input? |
| 11:24.45 | bawokmantap | jimpy : i dont know maybe yes |
| 11:25.40 | jimpy | bawokmantap: if icmp 'pong' messages are the problem you need to append this rule. `iptables -A INPUT -p ICMP --icmp-type echo-reply -j ACCEPT` |
| 11:26.03 | bawokmantap | done |
| 11:26.04 | bawokmantap | and ? |
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| 11:26.18 | mib_oujn9hi1 | hi |
| 11:26.20 | diffred | I think I messed up sources.list trying to add non-free. Anyone can help me? I have this very simple sources.list:http://www.pastie.org/503454 |
| 11:26.22 | jimpy | bawokmantap: try what you were doing before |
| 11:26.52 | mib_oujn9hi1 | can anyone help me create a simple metapackage |
| 11:26.54 | bawokmantap | same |
| 11:26.55 | bawokmantap | Error: Your IPv4 endpoint is unreachable or unstable. Please make sure ICMP is not blocked. |
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| 11:27.36 | jimpy | bawokmantap: is it over lan or internet? |
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| 11:28.25 | jimpy | bawokmantap: can you ping each host regardless of what the application is saying (using ping)? |
| 11:28.47 | bawokmantap | me can ping ipv4 addr |
| 11:28.50 | bawokmantap | if ipv6 is can`t |
| 11:29.22 | Zvpun | My volume control keys on the keyboard stopped working, I think this has to do with a recent upgrade, I also noticed the volume control applet using pulseaudio now. Where are the volume keys configured? |
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| 11:30.26 | mib_oujn9hi1 | can anyone help me create a simple metapackage |
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| 11:30.38 | diffred | I've managed to change my desktop resolution. Now I would like to change my login screen resolution. How can I do it? |
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| 11:31.08 | xoz_ | xorg.conf |
| 11:31.25 | Zvpun | diffred: is it not using the highest resolution by default? |
| 11:31.39 | diffred | Zvpun, the problem is that I want to lower the resolution |
| 11:31.47 | diffred | its 1280x1024 and I need 1280x960 |
| 11:31.52 | ewet_ | hello, how is linux/luks handling passwords in memory? what can I do to make it more secure? can anything be done against dma attacks? |
| 11:32.00 | diffred | xoz, could you please post the changes I should do in xorg.conf? |
| 11:32.15 | bawokmantap | Jimppy : about IMCP is the server of ipv6 can`t ping my ipv? |
| 11:32.28 | Zvpun | diffred: In that case I would also recommend xorg.conf (although nowadays the default is to not give a resolution) |
| 11:32.38 | jimpy | bawokmantap: im confused whats IP6 got to do with this? are you trying to tunnel ip6 over ip4 or ip4 over ip6? |
| 11:32.50 | xoz_ | just comment out the resilution you donot want |
| 11:33.00 | Zvpun | ewet_: nothing can be done against an evil root, (maybe se_linux can help, but you gotta be a real pro for that case) |
| 11:33.00 | bawokmantap | jimpy : im tunnel ipv4 to ipv6 |
| 11:33.03 | diffred | I don't have any resolution in xorg.conf |
| 11:33.27 | diffred | Section "Screen" |
| 11:33.27 | diffred | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:33.27 | diffred | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:33.28 | diffred | EndSection |
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| 11:33.36 | Zvpun | xoz_: a modern xorg.conf doesnt have a resoluction line. |
| 11:33.39 | jimpy | bawokmantap: using what software? |
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| 11:34.12 | bawokmantap | tunnelbroker.net |
| 11:34.17 | bawokmantap | online tunneling |
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| 11:34.23 | ewet_ | Zvpun: so you need root for dma? that amkes sense - d'oh. |
| 11:34.32 | xoz_ | gdm-config ? |
| 11:34.35 | Zvpun | ewet_: I dont know. |
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| 11:36.41 | fxiny | bawokmantap: try this : http://www.tunnelbroker.net/forums/index.php?topic=341.0 |
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| 11:37.02 | bawokmantap | fxiny : thanks , icheck |
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| 11:37.11 | fxiny | i tought was some icmp type |
| 11:37.18 | ewet_ | no it doesn't really make sense because with dma the bus has - dma of course. that's an awful concept to me :-( |
| 11:37.20 | fxiny | bawokmantap: good luck |
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| 11:37.29 | fxiny | echo is 8 |
| 11:38.55 | creature_ | !java |
| 11:38.55 | dpkg | somebody said java was a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:39.04 | creature_ | !install java |
| 11:39.04 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java-6-jre. Also ask me about <install java etch>. |
| 11:39.08 | bkraptor | does anyone know how I can remap the FN button on a thinkpad? |
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| 11:41.54 | creature_ | does debian repos have java iceweasel plugin? |
| 11:42.26 | ootput | creature_: certainly |
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| 11:42.31 | mib_oujn9hi1 | can anyone help me create a simple metapackage |
| 11:42.40 | creature_ | where? |
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| 11:43.46 | ootput | sun-java6-plugin |
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| 11:45.04 | dpy | does anyone know how to size-calibrate print-output in CUPS? I have a printer that relies on host-rasterization, however, 250mm becomes 249mm in print... I was hoping to tweak the rasterization settings to make it 250mm again.. anyone? |
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| 11:48.36 | Zvpun | creature_: how about openjdk-6 |
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| 11:50.33 | bawokmantap | can`t |
| 11:50.41 | bawokmantap | i try all and can`t |
| 11:52.10 | cahoot | no aptitude option equivalent to apt-cache dumpavail ? |
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| 11:53.00 | pigeta | hi |
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| 11:54.08 | pigeta | i need help:when i start iceweasel it's say to me that can't find a server but if i start deluge,deluge download well |
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| 11:54.41 | airbender | how do I know if a postfix server has open relay or not? |
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| 11:55.20 | jimpy | bawokmantap: ive just got it set up its not very hard |
| 11:55.40 | jimpy | bawokmantap: are you behind a nat router? |
| 11:55.40 | bawokmantap | wew |
| 11:55.50 | pigeta | i can't use firefox why |
| 11:55.52 | bawokmantap | i dont know? how to check it jimpy |
| 11:56.24 | jimpy | pigeta: because its called iceweasel in debian |
| 11:56.32 | pigeta | yes |
| 11:56.34 | pigeta | i know |
| 11:56.46 | pigeta | but the problem remain the same |
| 11:56.48 | jimpy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:57.15 | pigeta | iceweasel don't work deluge yes |
| 11:57.18 | pigeta | why? |
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| 12:02.11 | barmagnet | non-free is not available in DVD1? I only see main and contrib in that |
| 12:02.43 | Krataton | Hi, i have a Intel 82801I audio device and cannot seem to get sound on debian unstable. is this a somehow a known issue? |
| 12:03.23 | hoohaah | Zvpun: use xbindkeys or something |
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| 12:09.50 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one |
| 12:10.17 | cobra-the-joker | actually ...i just installed a fresh debian system ......but i cant get any software with apt-get install |
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| 12:10.44 | cobra-the-joker | it doesnt find any thing ...pls some one tell me how to config the repos |
| 12:11.14 | petemc | !sources.list |
| 12:11.14 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 12:24.20 | jaggz- | I have a personal site on one of my 2 computers here.. but when I visit its url it's saying this path isn't found, so I'm trying to make sure it's going to the right system, but tcpdump 'port http' is showing nothing. It's weird. My router is set to take it to one of my computers' IPs, fine, but that computer's tcpdump doesn't show it hitting (tcpdump 'port 80') |
| 12:24.32 | jaggz- | and its logs don't show it either |
| 12:24.37 | jaggz- | downs the server |
| 12:25.18 | feitingen | is there some firewall thing on? |
| 12:25.30 | jaggz- | there we go.. goes to the local system.. |
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| 12:25.55 | cobra-the-joker | petemc ...whats the most popular repos thats more frequently used ...i have those in my file --> http://pastebin.com/de518db6 |
| 12:26.16 | frold | If I want to know any thing about a good webmail system for a debian server - is this the channel? |
| 12:26.29 | cobra-the-joker | pls tell me what to write exactly in it ....as its my first day here in deb :D |
| 12:27.03 | jaggz- | a lookup on the IP gives the proper public IP, but it's going to the local computer, probably because it's called "blah" (the site used to be on the local system prior to upgrade to lenny, when I relocated my site to the other computer). |
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| 12:27.29 | jaggz- | oh, that's why tcpdump doesn't show it either.. should have thought about that |
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| 12:27.57 | jaggz- | whatever.. took a while to think about shutting down the server too.. thanks feit |
| 12:28.34 | jaggz- | I'm not sure what to do though -- this system is called 'blah', but I want the website to be housed on the other system.. what to do what to do |
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| 12:28.55 | jaggz- | I will change my want. :) |
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| 12:31.26 | cobra-the-joker | jaggz- ...you know how to setup my repos on debian ? |
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| 12:33.37 | cobra-the-joker | pls ...any body help here |
| 12:35.04 | at0m | cobra-the-joker, like here? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html#using-a-repository |
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| 12:35.19 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
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| 12:36.08 | cobra-the-joker | no .... i just want when i do some apt-get install <software> |
| 12:36.23 | cobra-the-joker | it gets me the software ...here i cant download any :( |
| 12:37.01 | Strogg | when I installed kdm on my system, I got an error when it starts up now about "No greeter widget plugin loaded".... so to resolve it, I had to install kdebase-workspace. This seems to pull in most of kde. Is there anyway to avoid this? Is this a bug or is this here to stay? |
| 12:37.05 | cobra-the-joker | i just want to have the popular and the software sources that can get me what i need |
| 12:37.20 | Strogg | I don't use the kde window manager, so I'd rather not have to have it installed if I'm not gonna use it. |
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| 12:39.18 | cobra-the-joker | where is every body ?????? |
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| 12:40.46 | LuciusMare | hello |
| 12:40.49 | asg | cobra-the-joker: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 12:40.54 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 12:42.11 | jaggz- | I've always had this problem with rsync. It copies files that don't seem different. I just copied every file from Foo to Bar (using scp), now I did an rsync from Bar to Foo, and it wants to send a bunch of files |
| 12:42.18 | jaggz- | like, all of them |
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| 12:43.12 | jaggz- | fiddles with it, and -c |
| 12:43.30 | jaggz- | yeah, it still wants to.. grr |
| 12:44.14 | jaggz- | is it because I used scp, so the filedate/times/permissions might be off? but can't it just set those instead of re-copying over all the data? |
| 12:44.26 | cobra-the-joker | I cant install .deb files :((( |
| 12:44.49 | cobra-the-joker | pls ...any body help here ...i am in a complete mess :( |
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| 12:45.02 | cobra-the-joker | i cant install deb files and cant get any software |
| 12:45.31 | asg | because you haven't bothered to read any of the information you've been given or provide any information when asked. |
| 12:45.55 | cobra-the-joker | i think i provided every thing :D |
| 12:46.10 | cobra-the-joker | so ...whats the solution for that ? |
| 12:46.11 | jaggz- | I'm using: rsync -navczR /p/data root@192.168.0.2:/p/ and it seems to want to copy all the files |
| 12:46.20 | DeSian | my open_basdir in php.ini is to /var/www and i'm running apche2 under debian lenny, but can't get to phpmyadmin page receive this error http://paste.debian.net/38270/plain/38270 |
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| 12:46.50 | cobra-the-joker | asg ....any suggestions ?? |
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| 12:46.58 | jaggz- | when i say 'wants to', I mean it's listed it all out and includes those sizes in the total size (since I'm using -n) |
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| 12:47.38 | cemunal | do daily images have ext4 support now? |
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| 12:48.18 | jaggz- | cobra, you need to add a normal mirror to your sources file |
| 12:48.19 | cobra-the-joker | i will restart the system ...and see if thaat works :( |
| 12:48.31 | cobra-the-joker | what is that ? |
| 12:48.59 | jaggz- | you have security, and volatile.. but if I understand correctly, all normal packages are going to require the "lenny main" entry |
| 12:48.59 | cobra-the-joker | i dont know any normal mirros actually |
| 12:49.13 | jaggz- | your only "lenny main" entry is your cdrom, so it'll only load those from cdrom |
| 12:49.26 | jaggz- | dpkg mirrors |
| 12:49.26 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>. |
| 12:49.58 | cobra-the-joker | but the bigger one ...is that i cant install .deb files :( |
| 12:49.58 | exes | looking for an easy way to maintain several debian boxes package upgrades, etc |
| 12:50.24 | jaggz- | cobra, that you downloaded by hand? use "dpkg -i file.deb" |
| 12:50.53 | exes | stop with the sadness, its never been the reason something started working |
| 12:51.04 | jaggz- | normally if you're using the apt system (aptitude, apt-get) you don't have .deb files around unless you're doing something a wee bit more special |
| 12:51.46 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: i asked you for a paste .. did you put it up yet? |
| 12:52.04 | cobra-the-joker | you meen my sources.list file ? |
| 12:52.11 | exes | he went to get more tissue |
| 12:52.16 | abrotman | did i ask you for anything else? |
| 12:52.20 | cemunal | do you know; do daily images have ext4 support now? |
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| 12:52.24 | cobra-the-joker | no :D |
| 12:52.24 | DeSian | any way to fix that? |
| 12:52.33 | abrotman | cemunal: lenny does .. so one would assume yes |
| 12:52.43 | abrotman | even though lenny only has ext4_dev |
| 12:52.57 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 12:53.03 | cobra-the-joker | what should i write infront of ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 12:53.08 | cobra-the-joker | deb or deb-src |
| 12:53.14 | cobra-the-joker | ot just like that ? |
| 12:53.22 | abrotman | the whole damn thing |
| 12:53.26 | abrotman | in a pastebin . not pasted in here |
| 12:53.32 | exes | deb |
| 12:53.38 | abrotman | no .. the WHOLE thing |
| 12:53.58 | exes | maybe a protocol |
| 12:54.11 | abrotman | exes: do you need help? |
| 12:55.03 | abrotman | foo or bar |
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| 12:56.14 | cobra-the-joker | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.45 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: you don't have /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 12:57.02 | cobra-the-joker | i have ofcourse |
| 12:57.08 | abrotman | so put it in a pastebin |
| 12:57.15 | cobra-the-joker | ok ...wait |
| 12:58.04 | cobra-the-joker | http://debian.pastebin.com/d71b182b1 |
| 12:58.30 | abrotman | wtf is line 311 ? |
| 12:58.53 | cobra-the-joker | line 311 ??? |
| 12:59.22 | amphi | line 11 perhaps ;) |
| 12:59.23 | abrotman | remove that last line in your sources.list |
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| 13:00.08 | amphi | cobra-the-joker: put a '#' at the beginning of line 4 |
| 13:00.12 | ootput | or at least allow it to point to something substantial |
| 13:00.14 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: and then add `deb http://debian.mirror.ac.za/debian/ lenny main` .. without the ` |
| 13:00.22 | ootput | I'm assuming you want to use an online repo |
| 13:00.24 | abrotman | and then aptitude update .. then install whatever you want |
| 13:00.44 | cobra-the-joker | yes |
| 13:00.55 | cobra-the-joker | http://debian.pastebin.com/d19b6a812 ...appeared when i removed the line |
| 13:00.56 | abrotman | or ignore me .. again |
| 13:01.35 | abrotman | notes it appears that only one country in Africa has a Debian mirror |
| 13:01.44 | ootput | cobra-the-joker: it'd be easier to append testing main to line 11 |
| 13:02.04 | abrotman | ootput: he's not using testing ? |
| 13:02.25 | abrotman | there's a good way to screw up his box .. great plan |
| 13:02.26 | ootput | err, lenny ;) |
| 13:02.36 | abrotman | i already gave him an answer |
| 13:02.55 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , i did aptitude update ...and its working on it now |
| 13:03.33 | ootput | cobra-the-joker: you're in Africa? |
| 13:03.37 | cobra-the-joker | pardon me ...its just my very first day ..or maybe hour in debian |
| 13:03.48 | cobra-the-joker | yes ... i am fromegypt actually |
| 13:04.18 | cobra-the-joker | linux is not even known in my country :( |
| 13:04.46 | cobra-the-joker | i have used fedora and ubuntu |
| 13:04.48 | abrotman | we should have gotten dutchfish to setup a mirror in mali :) |
| 13:05.00 | ootput | cobra-the-joker: there appears to be several LUGs there, though |
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| 13:05.26 | cobra-the-joker | LUG's ? |
| 13:05.29 | abrotman | !lug |
| 13:05.29 | dpkg | lug is probably a Linux User Group. They are superb for getting free, in-person help for Linux installation and other issues. There is one in every large city, and some in smaller places too. Use Google to search for: London Linux User Group or New York Linux User Group or some such. Or, ask your local college's Computer Science department if there is a computer club or Linux club. Or ask us. |
| 13:05.33 | ootput | cobra-the-joker: you can socialise with other linux-enthusiasts there |
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| 13:05.55 | cobra-the-joker | they not very enthusiastic about it actually :D |
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| 13:06.12 | cobra-the-joker | maybe i am the only one that have linux on his lappy |
| 13:06.20 | abrotman | i doubt that |
| 13:06.22 | cobra-the-joker | in my college |
| 13:06.46 | cobra-the-joker | aha ...working ...thanx guys |
| 13:07.02 | abrotman | !tell cobra-the-joker about sources.list |
| 13:07.04 | abrotman | !tell cobra-the-joker about mirrors |
| 13:07.49 | cobra-the-joker | ok :D |
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| 13:09.35 | cobra-the-joker | i think debian is like fedora but with apt ( deb) |
| 13:10.24 | lostson | cobra-the-joker: not even close |
| 13:10.27 | jimpy | there are more differenced than that |
| 13:10.32 | lostson | cobra-the-joker: debian actually works |
| 13:10.38 | jimpy | lol |
| 13:10.45 | abrotman | and apt has super cow powers |
| 13:10.54 | lostson | yes it does |
| 13:10.56 | bkraptor | any clue on when debian testing will get gnome 2.26 and kernel 2.6.28? |
| 13:11.01 | ootput | cobra-the-joker: fedora is a bit more cutting-edge |
| 13:11.10 | lostson | i was a long time Fedora user got sick of every update breaking things |
| 13:11.18 | cobra-the-joker | yes |
| 13:11.26 | cobra-the-joker | yes ....i heard taht apt is more more powerfull than rpm :D |
| 13:11.27 | hoohaah | of the slash-wrist variety |
| 13:11.30 | hoohaah | .. |
| 13:11.31 | lostson | debian stable is adamantium infused linux goodness |
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| 13:11.47 | hoohaah | sans the action |
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| 13:12.24 | abrotman | bkraptor: i think gnome 2.26 is slowly moving in already .. and it will get a .29 kernel (some day) |
| 13:12.47 | lostson | mostly 2.24 with some sprinked in 2.26 |
| 13:12.58 | bkraptor | any clue about the date? |
| 13:12.58 | abrotman | right .. but it's slowly flowing in |
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| 13:13.18 | abrotman | bkraptor: not that i know of |
| 13:13.26 | bkraptor | been meaning to switch over from ubuntu on my laptop and I need ext4 and some stuff found in gnome 2.26 |
| 13:13.40 | abrotman | you need gnome2.26 ? |
| 13:13.51 | jimpy | bkraptor: how so do you "need ext4" |
| 13:13.53 | abrotman | and how do you 'need' ext4 ? |
| 13:13.59 | hoohaah | is ext4 really that great? why don't you just use ext3? |
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| 13:14.12 | bkraptor | speed and also I'm not willing to change all my partitions back to ext3 |
| 13:14.17 | wooj | Isn't ext4 still prone to data loss? |
| 13:14.18 | rvalles | hoohaah: is it so bad? why not? |
| 13:14.21 | wooj | or did that get fixed? |
| 13:14.22 | rvalles | wooj: yes |
| 13:14.25 | abrotman | bkraptor: lenny has ext4_dev |
| 13:14.25 | rvalles | wooj: no. |
| 13:14.25 | bkraptor | it got fixed |
| 13:14.31 | rvalles | bkraptor: when? |
| 13:14.38 | rvalles | I lost something I had just edited |
| 13:14.39 | bkraptor | I dunno, it's fixed in ubuntu jaunty |
| 13:14.44 | bkraptor | 2.6.28 kernel |
| 13:14.45 | jimpy | the other day |
| 13:14.48 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , can i cancel a download int apt-get install and then resume it later ??? |
| 13:14.49 | jimpy | afaik |
| 13:14.52 | abrotman | bkraptor: and .. lenny has a .29 backport available |
| 13:14.58 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: yes |
| 13:15.00 | rvalles | (no old not new, that part of the file simply dissapeared) |
| 13:15.02 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: and you should be using aptitude |
| 13:15.03 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
| 13:15.07 | rvalles | bkraptor: just a few days ago |
| 13:15.15 | rvalles | bkraptor: with current stable kernel. |
| 13:15.18 | bkraptor | backport as in just enabling the backports repository? |
| 13:15.20 | cobra-the-joker | u meen aptitude install instead of apt-get ? |
| 13:15.28 | rvalles | maybe .30? :P |
| 13:15.28 | abrotman | bkraptor: though lenny probably won't get gnome 2.26 backports |
| 13:15.32 | rvalles | 13:14:17 < bkraptor> I dunno, it's fixed in ubuntu jaunty |
| 13:15.35 | abrotman | !tell cobra-the-joker about why aptitude |
| 13:15.36 | rvalles | probably just a workaround |
| 13:15.43 | rvalles | using a non-vulnerable commit policy or sth |
| 13:15.55 | bkraptor | probably, but I have big 10+ gb files and had no problems ever since launch |
| 13:16.07 | jimpy | hay whats the difference between aptitude upgrade (etch) and aptitude safe-upgrade (lenny)? |
| 13:16.28 | jimpy | i know the former has been depricated but why? |
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| 13:17.54 | bkraptor | abrotman: does squeeze also have a 2.6.28+ kernel available? |
| 13:18.08 | abrotman | squeeze is testing .. you asked about that five minutes ago |
| 13:18.21 | bkraptor | yeah but you said about lenny |
| 13:18.23 | abrotman | jimpy: no difference |
| 13:18.27 | abrotman | bkraptor: yes i did |
| 13:18.37 | bkraptor | does that imply that testing also has one? |
| 13:18.40 | stew | jimpy: they are the same operation, upgrade/dist-upgrade were renamed safe-upgrade/full-upgrade |
| 13:19.03 | jimpy | abortman, stew: thats it then just a rename? |
| 13:19.06 | abrotman | bkraptor: no |
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| 13:19.08 | case___ | hellos, i am having trouble reaching my ipmi add-on card from supermicro after i moved my server. I upgraded the firmware, reset the BMC, adjust almost all settings but no luck. Any ideas how to pinpoint the problem? |
| 13:19.11 | jimpy | i fell better then |
| 13:19.11 | stew | jimpy: yes |
| 13:19.20 | abrotman | bkraptor: it might work .. but it doesn't explicitly have it |
| 13:19.37 | case___ | btw, i'm using ipmitool |
| 13:19.40 | ootput | jimpy: I believe the former also removed/added packages that the latter could otherwise could not |
| 13:19.43 | bkraptor | then I'll have to wait until it gets an official 2.6.28+ kernel |
| 13:20.23 | ootput | ie, safe-upgrade is a bit more conservative than full-upgrade |
| 13:20.32 | abrotman | ootput: how is it that when people give the correct answer, you come along and give something wrong ? |
| 13:20.42 | ootput | or dist-upgrade, as it was previously called |
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| 13:21.01 | ootput | abrotman: ? |
| 13:21.19 | ootput | i'm on a laggy connection (tor) so I miss half the answers preceeding mine :/ |
| 13:21.19 | abrotman | more than once .. |
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| 13:21.53 | ootput | ? |
| 13:22.25 | ootput | I hope I'm not stepping on anyone's toes here.. |
| 13:22.36 | omid8bimo | guys, when i get ls -lh, i see a dot at the end of permissions. what is it? -rwx------. 1 ... |
| 13:22.47 | stew | ootput: "the former also removed/added packages that the latter could otherwise could not" <- i don't know what "the former" and "the latter" are here, but whatever they are, this isn't true |
| 13:23.03 | jimpy | omid8bimo: AMG you found the meaning of life! |
| 13:23.19 | jimpy | omid8bimo: jokes, no idea tbh |
| 13:23.25 | omid8bimo | jimpy: :) |
| 13:23.38 | omid8bimo | anybody knows? |
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| 13:23.55 | ootput | stew: it's not the case? |
| 13:24.11 | stew | ootput: no. what is "the former" and "the latter" |
| 13:25.09 | ootput | dist-upgrade v safe-upgrade, wasn't it? |
| 13:25.23 | abrotman | no |
| 13:25.24 | jimpy | upgrade vs safe-upgrade |
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| 13:25.45 | stew | ootput: it was upgrade vs. safe-upgrade, but in any case, both can add packages |
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| 13:26.04 | dustybin | awaits to be told off |
| 13:26.42 | ootput | ah. my mistake then.. though that's not really something worth confronting me about, right? |
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| 13:28.54 | stew | ootput: you mean we shouldn't correct you when you give out incorrect info? |
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| 13:29.04 | stew | ootput: or when you ask us why we shouldn't answer? |
| 13:29.22 | ootput | nope. specifically abrotman, I guess |
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| 13:29.40 | stew | ootput: ok, so when you give out incorrect info, abrotman shouldn't correct you |
| 13:29.43 | ootput | clearly I misread that other person's sources.list |
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| 13:30.06 | ootput | stew: do you not err? |
| 13:30.29 | stew | ootput: everyone does |
| 13:31.25 | hoohaah | lol, you guys are anal |
| 13:31.29 | hoohaah | simply put |
| 13:31.52 | hoohaah | way to drag matters on beyond necessity |
| 13:31.54 | abrotman | hoohaah: how would you feel if someone gave you blatantly incorrect advice in here ? |
| 13:32.30 | hoohaah | i surely wouldn't try to belittle them |
| 13:32.46 | WormFood | indeed hoohaah |
| 13:32.56 | hoohaah | that's always the case here, though |
| 13:33.11 | abrotman | so we should let people continue to give incorrect answers? |
| 13:33.15 | hoohaah | years of experience in debian does not qualify you to place judgement on another |
| 13:33.23 | hoohaah | no, you correct them, and move along |
| 13:33.30 | hoohaah | i can see how the 'confrontation' arose |
| 13:33.33 | abrotman | over and over and over .. |
| 13:34.07 | hoohaah | take a little criticism, at least |
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| 13:34.12 | hoohaah | don't try to argue every single point |
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| 13:34.42 | azeem | hoohaah: "lol, you guys are anal" isn't really criticism |
| 13:35.05 | hoohaah | who says that was the intent? |
| 13:35.25 | azeem | sorry, I thought you were trying to make sense |
| 13:35.27 | hoohaah | it's nice that you the same names seem to stick up for each other |
| 13:35.35 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ....i cant mount the NTFS and FAT filesystem from nautilus ...how can i ? |
| 13:35.36 | hoohaah | -you |
| 13:36.07 | azeem | stew: I was under the impression that upgrade doesn't add packages |
| 13:36.51 | omid8bimo | guys, when i get ls -lh, i see a dot at the end of permissions syntax. what is it? -rwx------. 1 ... |
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| 13:37.37 | stew | azeem: at least safe upgrade will |
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| 13:37.43 | stew | 'safe-upgrade' |
| 13:37.51 | wooj | sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ftw |
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| 13:38.56 | dustybin | has lenny been a success in the linux world? |
| 13:39.22 | azeem | dustybin: please keep it on topic |
| 13:39.26 | xaashi | Hi I have built a local filesystem on my machine and would like to test it locally without having to deploy, could anyone suggest tools to boot it and etc, thanks |
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| 13:39.48 | azeem | stew: ok, then we're on the same page |
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| 13:40.35 | abrotman | omid8bimo: does it only show up with -lh |
| 13:40.36 | abrotman | ? |
| 13:40.44 | omid8bimo | it's like this -rwx------. <= what is this DOT? |
| 13:40.46 | omid8bimo | yup |
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| 13:41.25 | abrotman | so not with ls -l ? |
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| 13:42.18 | omid8bimo | yup |
| 13:42.23 | omid8bimo | it's like this -rwx------. <= what is this DOT? |
| 13:42.28 | omid8bimo | after ls -lh |
| 13:42.34 | abrotman | can you paste the whole line ? ls -ls and ls -l ? |
| 13:42.38 | azeem | omid8bimo: you asked that already |
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| 13:42.54 | omid8bimo | azeem: and nobody answered |
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| 13:43.19 | azeem | omid8bimo: asking multiple times won't help |
| 13:43.38 | hoohaah | omid8bimo: if noone responds yet, they'll just google an answer for you anyway |
| 13:43.45 | omid8bimo | azeem: i know.. sorry, i thought more ppl can see and might have a clue |
| 13:43.46 | hoohaah | omid8bimo: best to do the research on your own |
| 13:44.05 | abrotman | one would hope he's done that |
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| 13:44.25 | omid8bimo | hoohaah: well this topic is very hard to find cause you can search something right. believe me.. i tried |
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| 13:44.37 | azeem | omid8bimo: please do what abrotman requested |
| 13:44.40 | omid8bimo | i have selinux on my deb, could be because of that? |
| 13:44.47 | omid8bimo | okay sure |
| 13:45.07 | omid8bimo | this is the ls -lh output |
| 13:45.14 | jimpy | nnooo |
| 13:45.15 | omid8bimo | -rw------- 1 omid omid 3.4M 2002-07-03 04:40 02ENRIQUE_IGLESIAS___BE_WIT.MP3 |
| 13:45.15 | omid8bimo | -rw------- 1 omid omid 254 2009-05-27 20:51 birthday |
| 13:45.15 | omid8bimo | drwxr-xr-x. 6 omid omid 4.0K 2009-05-25 20:04 BUFR |
| 13:45.15 | omid8bimo | drwx------ 2 omid omid 6 2009-06-06 23:38 Desktop |
| 13:45.15 | omid8bimo | drwxr-xr-x. 3 omid omid 21 2009-05-25 20:04 djangoWWW |
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| 13:45.20 | diffred | anyone knows how can I get a terminal as a wallpaper (if I could avoid installing compiz...) ? |
| 13:45.20 | jimpy | hah |
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| 13:45.53 | abrotman | omid8bimo: use paste.debian.net |
| 13:46.24 | omid8bimo | i pasted it. although i was kicked by daemon but the result is up there |
| 13:46.29 | omid8bimo | did u c it dude? |
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| 13:47.05 | azeem | omid8bimo: not all of it |
| 13:47.07 | ootput | hoohaah: thanks |
| 13:47.13 | azeem | we didn't see the ls -l part |
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| 13:47.28 | omid8bimo | okay this is the link |
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| 13:47.38 | omid8bimo | http://pastebin.com/d4045e614 |
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| 13:48.26 | abrotman | except i wanted to see `ls -lh` and `ls -l` |
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| 13:48.46 | omid8bimo | u c 2 lines for example have dot after permission syntax. some files also have those dots which i didn't paste the whole |
| 13:49.15 | omid8bimo | abrotman: u mean the command line? omid@omid8bimo:~$ ls -lh |
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| 13:49.31 | omid8bimo | then this output http://pastebin.com/d4045e614 |
| 13:50.43 | omid8bimo | abrotman: azeem any idea guys? |
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| 13:51.04 | omid8bimo | as i said, once i've enabled selinux which relabed my sys. could be because of that |
| 13:51.07 | omid8bimo | ? |
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| 13:54.23 | cemunal | can i install on ext4? |
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| 13:54.54 | celeste | hello |
| 13:55.10 | celeste | i've just installed Lenny (for AMD64) but i can't install new software |
| 13:55.20 | celeste | the file /etc/apt/sources.list is empty |
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| 13:55.33 | celeste | how can i fix this? |
| 13:56.00 | asg | celeste: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 13:56.03 | abrotman | !tell celeste about sources.list |
| 13:56.12 | celeste | oh thanks |
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| 13:56.30 | celeste | by the way, i mounted the CDROM |
| 13:56.33 | Zenox | Samba3 question. I'm running Lenny on ext3 drives with UTF8 coded filenames (and using UTF8 as locale as well). When accessing shares using Samba3 the umlaut characters looks like crap, even though I specified unix- and display charset=UTF-8 in smb.conf. Anyone know what could be wrong? |
| 13:56.37 | celeste | and looked at MIRRORS.readme.txt |
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| 13:57.07 | celeste | i don't know if i did it ok, but by looking at the file i added: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main |
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| 13:57.19 | celeste | and somehow it worked, but i don't know if is is ok |
| 13:57.23 | omid8bimo | clearly no one have any idea! |
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| 13:57.36 | abrotman | celeste: i'd use http:// instead of ftp:// .. but yes, it's fine |
| 13:57.41 | celeste | or if it is really installing AMD64 packages |
| 13:57.46 | celeste | or i386 ones |
| 13:57.50 | abrotman | omid8bimo: i asked you for the same thing twice, and still you haven't put it in the pastebin |
| 13:58.06 | abrotman | celeste: it will install whatever is returned by dpkg-architecture |
| 13:58.06 | celeste | abrotman: how can i make sure it installs the amd64 ones? |
| 13:58.11 | celeste | ah, great |
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| 13:58.19 | omid8bimo | abrotman: i did, and i gave u the link http://pastebin.com/d4045e614 |
| 13:58.25 | omid8bimo | abrotman: did u c it? |
| 13:58.31 | wintix | !tell omid8bimo about c |
| 13:58.35 | celeste | one more thing... |
| 13:58.43 | celeste | i did apt-get update and dist-upgrade |
| 13:58.55 | celeste | it says there is nothing needed to update |
| 13:59.15 | celeste | should that be ok? i have the install exactly after the reboot from the CD |
| 13:59.18 | omid8bimo | wintix: it's not about being lazy. it's about faster communication dude |
| 13:59.20 | omid8bimo | !!! |
| 13:59.21 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 13:59.46 | abrotman | omid8bimo: yes, and i saw it .. and it's still not what i asked for |
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| 14:00.08 | omid8bimo | abrotman: u asked ls -lh out put! right? |
| 14:00.14 | abrotman | no |
| 14:00.21 | abrotman | go back and read what i asked you to paste |
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| 14:00.45 | abrotman | celeste: probably security updates |
| 14:01.13 | celeste | the ones with http://security... in dpkg bot output? |
| 14:01.32 | celeste | i've only put main, that should be what is missing |
| 14:01.41 | omid8bimo | abrotman: okay is it correct? http://paste.debian.net/38280/ |
| 14:02.00 | kamp2tux | I have installed Debian together with GNOME, can I choose to boot without GNOME, but only terminal ? |
| 14:02.02 | abrotman | doesn't see why this is hsard |
| 14:02.03 | abrotman | hard |
| 14:02.36 | abrotman | celeste: you probably have a standard source from a debian mirror, and also a security.debian.org source |
| 14:02.41 | abrotman | and maybe a couple of others |
| 14:02.55 | abrotman | kamp2tux: you mean to not start gdm ? |
| 14:02.59 | omid8bimo | abrotman: i thought there is no different! |
| 14:03.31 | celeste | abrotman: thanks a lot |
| 14:04.12 | kamp2tux | abrotman, yes, no gdm, can I choose to restart PC, without gdm ? |
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| 14:05.20 | wintix | kamp2tux: you could just uninstall it. |
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| 14:05.42 | kamp2tux | abrotman, but oftenly I still prefer gdm to be used. I wish to have choice whenever I re-start PC |
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| 14:06.25 | nkuttler | kamp2tux: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 14:06.28 | abrotman | !tell kamp2tux about nodm |
| 14:06.36 | kamp2tux | can I define to load gdm or not to load gdm, whenever i restart PC |
| 14:07.53 | sshc | how do I enable the plaintext password for one account only? |
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| 14:08.30 | omid8bimo | kamp2tux: yes u can |
| 14:08.54 | kamp2tux | omid8bimo, how is it? Pls teach me, TQ |
| 14:09.29 | abrotman | kamp2tux: if you use what the bot told you about nodm .. you can later just '/etc/init.d/gdm start' |
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| 14:10.21 | omid8bimo | from gui/ go to GNOME/system menu/Administration/Services and uncheck gdm || from terminal, go to /etc/rc2.d/ and rename something like S30gdm to K30gdm |
| 14:10.57 | abrotman | kamp2tux: please see what the bot told you |
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| 14:11.58 | omid8bimo | kamp2tux: and also bot infos are pretty useful :) |
| 14:12.04 | kamp2tux | abrotman, sorry, i m newbie, who is the bot ? |
| 14:12.10 | abrotman | !tell kamp2tux about nodm |
| 14:12.18 | abrotman | the bot is 'dpkg' .. and he's giving you information |
| 14:12.40 | omid8bimo | abrotman: did u figure out about those dots dude? |
| 14:12.48 | abrotman | i'm still waiting for my paste |
| 14:12.55 | omid8bimo | !!! |
| 14:12.55 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 14:13.31 | omid8bimo | come on. i pasted like 4 times! |
| 14:13.31 | abrotman | no you haven't |
| 14:13.32 | omid8bimo | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/38280/ |
| 14:13.32 | omid8bimo | please i did |
| 14:13.32 | omid8bimo | :( |
| 14:13.32 | abrotman | no you haven't |
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| 14:13.36 | omid8bimo | now did u go it? |
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| 14:13.45 | omid8bimo | *got it |
| 14:15.00 | azeem | 15:40 < abrotman> can you paste the whole line ? ls -ls and ls -l ? |
| 14:15.00 | abrotman | if i told you that what you pasted before wasn't what i had asked for, and you keep showing me the same thing .. |
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| 14:15.00 | omid8bimo | azeem: i pasted it inside paste.debian.net |
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| 14:15.01 | omid8bimo | and put the link here like 4 times now |
| 14:15.02 | azeem | well, not in the pasteabove |
| 14:15.11 | abrotman | ls -lh .. |
| 14:15.20 | omid8bimo | abrotman: no this one is the new paste |
| 14:15.21 | azeem | omid8bimo: the paste above has ls -lh |
| 14:15.41 | omid8bimo | azeem: yup. abrotman said with ls -lh |
| 14:15.47 | abrotman | no, i did not |
| 14:16.05 | celeste | what's better, installing nvidia with prebuilt packages or module assistant? |
| 14:16.10 | azeem | omid8bimo: did you see what I pasted above? |
| 14:16.14 | azeem | 16:12 < azeem> 15:40 < abrotman> can you paste the whole line ? ls -ls and ls -l ? |
| 14:16.47 | abrotman | celeste: #debian will not support the .run file from nvidia.com |
| 14:16.49 | omid8bimo | azeem: oh u mean both of them? |
| 14:16.54 | omid8bimo | okay sure |
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| 14:17.10 | celeste | abrotman: yep, i asked "dpkg" about it |
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| 14:17.45 | celeste | he said there are two ways, one is module-assistant, the other one is apt-get install nvidia-kernel... |
| 14:17.49 | eshat | Why do I get configuration problems with texmacs after todays update on sid ? "gtk-update-icon-cache: No theme index file.dpkg" |
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| 14:17.54 | celeste | what one should i use? |
| 14:17.59 | asg | eshat: check the bts |
| 14:18.09 | azeem | omid8bimo: what else could it mean? |
| 14:18.15 | omid8bimo | azeem: abrotman okay is this all right? http://paste.debian.net/38282/ |
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| 14:18.32 | eshat | asg: bts ? |
| 14:18.39 | asg | eshat: /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:18.49 | asg | eshat: you are supposed to know these things if you are running sid |
| 14:19.09 | abrotman | omid8bimo: and i asked you about an hour ago if the same '.' showed up with just `ls -l` and you said no |
| 14:19.31 | eshat | asg: ahh bug tracking system. asg I know these thinks, don't judge just because I don't know the short english name for something |
| 14:19.45 | omid8bimo | abrotman: oh.. sorry. i think i didn't get it at that time |
| 14:19.49 | abrotman | omid8bimo: what kind of filesystem is /stuff/ ? |
| 14:19.59 | omid8bimo | abrotman: XFS |
| 14:20.26 | omid8bimo | abrotman: could it be because of selinux which previously i had enabled? |
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| 14:20.36 | azeem | omid8bimo: which version of coreutils? |
| 14:20.46 | omid8bimo | kinda like those are files that are selinux labeled? |
| 14:21.16 | omid8bimo | azeem: 7.3-1 |
| 14:21.31 | IamSOG | !msr |
| 14:21.41 | abrotman | !tell IamSOG about msg the bot |
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| 14:22.04 | IamSOG | I did abrotman but the bot didn't respond for some reasons :D |
| 14:22.17 | abrotman | IamSOG: that means he doesn't know usually .. . |
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| 14:22.32 | WormFood | is cfv broken in sid, for making torrent files? I can't for the life of me get this god damn thing to make a torrent file. |
| 14:22.32 | IamSOG | Oh :o... |
| 14:22.47 | micket | I'm trying to install awesome from source using apt-build (in hope that the evil segfault i get will magically disappear). But it gets stuck during compilation due to missing stddef.h, (i guess it should point to /usr/include/linux/stddef.h ?) Am i doing it wrong? |
| 14:22.57 | IamSOG | I am just trying to figuer out how to add the msr to /dev/cpu/0 but I have no idea where the msr is... |
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| 14:23.54 | azeem | micket: did you install build-essential? |
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| 14:24.53 | micket | azeem: yes. |
| 14:25.08 | sema4r | hi. is there a way to use other fonts in the debian console, apart from the default ones (terminus, goha, ...) ? |
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| 14:36.38 | celeste | i've installed xorg and gnome-core, do i need a .xsession file or something like that? |
| 14:37.09 | celeste | (or maybe .xinitrc, i can't remember) |
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| 14:38.28 | Mikey^ | Hey |
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| 14:39.07 | abrotman | celeste: need it to do what? |
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| 14:39.17 | Mikey^ | Anyone tried Google Chrome on Linux, Dev build is out |
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| 14:39.26 | celeste | abrotman: to start gnome when i type startx |
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| 14:40.24 | Mikey^ | is downloading Google Chromium |
| 14:40.24 | abrotman | oh... you can use .xsession for that |
| 14:40.25 | celeste | Mikey^: i did, but it's still very beta |
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| 14:40.34 | celeste | abrotman: mmm so i create a .xsession file in $HOME and put there exec gnome-session? |
| 14:41.10 | abrotman | mine just has the full path to gnome-session .. but yours should work also |
| 14:41.23 | celeste | nice, thanks |
| 14:42.00 | Mikey^ | celeste: yes, its a beta |
| 14:43.14 | celeste | Mikey^: i mean... it misses almost all of the features of the windows version |
| 14:43.34 | celeste | but hopefully will improve with time |
| 14:44.01 | Mikey^ | I am just getting a page that says, " Aw snap , something went wrong ......... " |
| 14:44.08 | Mikey^ | for all websites |
| 14:44.51 | celeste | reboots |
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| 14:48.24 | jazzanova | hi |
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| 14:49.08 | sobersabre | hi. I'm on Lenny. |
| 14:49.15 | sobersabre | I am using external (NIS) userbase, and I need to allow users to use audio devices (ALSA). |
| 14:49.30 | jazzanova | i am having problem getting xinetd to see any services, but it is starting. What am I doing wrong ? |
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| 14:50.27 | sobersabre | all the users are members in "labusers" group, so instead of adding all of them to "audio" local group, I thought of using "labusers" group. |
| 14:50.50 | sobersabre | I changed what udev does, by replacing "audio" with "labusers" in misc. files in /etc/udev |
| 14:51.04 | sobersabre | as a result the device files got correct permissions. |
| 14:51.17 | sobersabre | STILL, the users cannot access the audio devices, |
| 14:51.34 | sobersabre | I think due to other elements settings. I suspect HAL or similar. |
| 14:51.47 | sobersabre | can somebody point me to what I am missing ? |
| 14:51.51 | micket | Hmm, it seems my problem comes from /usr/lib/apt-build/cc. It's a symlink to apt-build-wrapper, which is.. something not-gcc i guess? and thus failing to find stddef.h. |
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| 14:55.20 | sobersabre | the errors I'm getting are related to failed opening device. |
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| 14:59.26 | toxic | hello everyone, i'm looking for someone able to tell me how to recover my mdadm config files, so i keep my datas on my RAID5 as I reinstall.... ;) |
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| 15:02.19 | BCM43 | how can i remap caps lock to what alt+F2 does now? |
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| 15:05.43 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.59 | BCM43 | adb: yea, thanks |
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| 15:06.38 | loXx | arg haskell :\ |
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| 15:10.26 | plugwash | anyone have any idea what could cause a "stale nfs file handle" error in a system that isn't using nfs? |
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| 15:10.59 | lostson | plugwash: is it a external drive ? |
| 15:11.16 | plugwash | lostson, no it's a qemu virtual hdd |
| 15:11.19 | dob1 | hi, after an update of a testin/unstable now i have kde4 (or i think it is kde4), but it loads without the taskbar, the one with the k menu |
| 15:11.30 | dob1 | i launch it with startkde |
| 15:12.09 | dob1 | what i need? |
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| 15:13.32 | Aquaraptor | anyone here have experience running a samba server? |
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| 15:13.59 | Aquaraptor | I'd like to make an anonymous access share, but I don't know what to put in the conf file |
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| 15:15.00 | nkuttler | Aquaraptor: check the docs at samba.org, they will answer your question |
| 15:15.07 | Aquaraptor | looks |
| 15:15.17 | nkuttler | somebody should configure debhelper to kick all caps ##freespeech |
| 15:15.27 | nkuttler | this has been going on for days at least.. |
| 15:15.59 | jaymacdonald | what the hell is that? |
| 15:16.10 | nkuttler | the internet? |
| 15:16.14 | jaymacdonald | just redirects to ##unavailable |
| 15:16.17 | jaymacdonald | haha, cool. |
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| 15:17.10 | toxic | hello everyone, i'm looking for someone able to tell me how to recover my mdadm config files, so i keep my datas on my RAID5 as I reinstall.... ;) |
| 15:17.10 | BCM43 | how can i remap caps lock to what alt+F2 does now? |
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| 15:17.40 | dob1 | now i have this crappy kde4 |
| 15:17.44 | nkuttler | BCM43: check xmodmap |
| 15:17.48 | dob1 | how can i get it working? |
| 15:17.50 | dob1 | damn updates |
| 15:18.07 | jaymacdonald | dob1: KDE doesn't work |
| 15:18.10 | jaymacdonald | it just crashes |
| 15:18.22 | nkuttler | kde in testing/unstable that is |
| 15:18.24 | jaymacdonald | and if you file a bug report, they say 'by-design' |
| 15:18.33 | jaymacdonald | lol |
| 15:18.39 | wintix | :D |
| 15:18.47 | dob1 | ok but i just want the bar on the bottom |
| 15:18.51 | dob1 | it is possible that i can't have it? |
| 15:19.24 | jaymacdonald | yes, it's all widgets in KDE4, you just right-click somewhere, setup a panel, then add what you want to that panel |
| 15:19.25 | jaymacdonald | I think |
| 15:19.27 | wintix | toxic: did you alter the mdadm config? if not, there is no need to back up the config. the installer will automatically detect the existing raid, you just have to do the partitioning manually. |
| 15:19.36 | jaymacdonald | dob1, ask #kde |
| 15:19.44 | wintix | toxic: if you didn't do it before, back up your data. |
| 15:19.51 | dob1 | jaymacdonald: i am asking there too |
| 15:20.04 | jaymacdonald | ah ok |
| 15:20.06 | nkuttler | wonder's why his laptop's clock is wrong by two hours.. |
| 15:20.18 | nkuttler | s/'// |
| 15:21.11 | wintix | toxic: also if you have an encrypted root partition previously set up with the debian installer, it will kill your data when you try to reinstall on that previously created root partition. |
| 15:21.30 | toxic | wintix, I dont belive I altered the default config, but I builded the raid with 3 disks, and added one after ! |
| 15:21.43 | wintix | toxic: that isn't a problem. |
| 15:22.25 | toxic | ok, the thing is that I don't want to erase the tdatas on my RAID... |
| 15:23.11 | wintix | toxic: as i said, the installer scans the disks, detects that they are part of some raid and tries to assemble it. you just have to tell the partitioner not to format the partitions. |
| 15:23.36 | wintix | also. if you didn't do that before, a backup might be a good idea. |
| 15:24.19 | toxic | wintix, the problem is that my system is down, so my raid is not online... I can't read it !... |
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| 15:24.35 | toxic | and I don't have any way to backup 2TB... |
| 15:25.01 | IamSOG | so any modules that put in /etc/modules will be auto loaded at start up ? |
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| 15:25.32 | nkuttler | IamSOG: they should, yes |
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| 15:26.31 | IamSOG | thanks nkuttler.. um.. I guess I am missing on something then |
| 15:26.57 | toxic | wintix, I have a liveCD running right now, trying to recover the system disk (non-raid). Do you belive I could try to install mdadm and try recovering my raid ? |
| 15:26.59 | nkuttler | IamSOG: can you modprobe the module? |
| 15:27.28 | IamSOG | nkuttler yeah, it's " msr " modules I am not sure how it works yet |
| 15:27.28 | wintix | toxic: for sure. |
| 15:28.49 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there guys .....i cant mount Fat32 , NTFS drives from the nautilus ...how can i ? |
| 15:29.00 | toxic | wintix, ok, I'll get ssh on my server and i'll try... Could we have a private conversation, so you could help me if it asks me some questions i don't know about ? |
| 15:29.25 | wintix | no. lets talk here. |
| 15:29.47 | toxic | ok, no problem ! |
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| 15:32.08 | IamSOG | nkuttler do you know if I just enter the module name in /etc/modules or should I put in modprobe "module name" ? |
| 15:32.56 | cobra-the-joker | Any body know how to make nautilus mount FAT drives ? |
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| 15:34.15 | BCM43 | xmonad will not work for me in sid. Key commands that i run when i log into it from gdm do nothing. |
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| 15:36.20 | cemunal | please help;how can i install debian on an ext4 with debian daily image? |
| 15:36.20 | toxic | wintix, ok, I've got ssh on my liveCD... installing mdadm... |
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| 15:36.49 | abrotman | cemunal: the daily netinst for testing are still using a .26 kernel |
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| 15:37.22 | BCM43 | tdn: http://blog.robertlee.name/2009/01/unicornscan-on-ubunto-some-updated.html |
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| 15:38.40 | marcooliva | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pdftk/+bug/384515 |
| 15:38.49 | orak3l | how can i tell debian to prefer one network device (i.e. eth0) over a second device (i.e. eth1) or vice versa? |
| 15:40.04 | IamSOG | anyone know if I just enter the module name "something like cpuid" in /etc/modules or should I put in " modprobe cpuid " ? |
| 15:40.05 | cemunal | abrotman: how can i install debian on an ext4 file system with debian cds? |
| 15:40.47 | feitingen | orak3l: if you want to use one gateway over another, you can add metric to the gateway you dont want to use |
| 15:41.16 | orak3l | feitingen, thx. i will ask google for the metric thing |
| 15:41.16 | asg | orak3l: lartc.org is a great resource for all sorts of non-standard routing |
| 15:41.19 | abrotman | cemunal: you can't do it with an official installer .. /msg dpkg kmuto .. if you feel comfortable with an unofficial one |
| 15:41.34 | abrotman | marcooliva: this is #debian .. |
| 15:42.01 | feitingen | orak3l: man route ;) |
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| 15:43.21 | abrotman | marcooliva: what would you like us to do with that? |
| 15:43.37 | cemunal | abrotman: but image of this day is including ext4 support? but it is not default. i don't know how i can choose ext4. |
| 15:43.57 | abrotman | cemunal: i just told you .. it's still using a .26 kernel, which has ext4_dev .. |
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| 15:45.18 | toxic | wintix, I had mdadm scan my 4 drives, it tells me it recognizes a RAID5 array... (mdadm --examine --scan [devices]) What do In do ? just follew the procedure for a new mdadm array ? |
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| 15:45.52 | wintix | toxic: no.. you see.. new would kill your data. |
| 15:46.02 | toxic | ok, how do I do ? |
| 15:46.13 | toxic | i'm in man mdadm right now... I dont see... |
| 15:46.23 | wintix | toxic: mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/disk1 /dev/disk2.... |
| 15:46.41 | toxic | ok, I try this... |
| 15:47.12 | toxic | disk1 is /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 15:47.16 | wintix | toxic: if you have partitions on your hard drives, you need to supply mdadm with the correct partition number after the block device. e.g.: mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 ... |
| 15:47.19 | toxic | (i assume sdb1...) |
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| 15:47.38 | toxic | exactly, ok.. does the order means something ? |
| 15:48.10 | toxic | or can I just put my drives in the order I want ? |
| 15:48.16 | wintix | toxic: the first parameter after --assemble will be the node the raid device gets. after that you can supply the discs in any order. |
| 15:48.18 | orak3l | feitingen, if i execute "route" then metric is set to 0 for both devices for the moment. when i check with "ifconfig" metric is set to 1. is this correct? (i have not changed anything yet) |
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| 15:48.26 | toxic | oki, perfect ! |
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| 15:49.24 | Javi-K | Hi |
| 15:49.27 | toxic | assembling |
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| 15:49.43 | toxic | wintix, /dev/md0 has been started with 4 drives |
| 15:49.51 | wintix | toxic: after that succeeded, check either cat /proc/mdstat or mdadm --detail /dev/md0 |
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| 15:50.07 | Javi-K | I use wicd but every time I boot up the system I have to run /etc/init.d/networking restart so tha wicd can connect... could anyone tell me what to do in order to avoid that??? Thanks on forehand! |
| 15:50.30 | wintix | toxic: if thats ok, you can mount your partitions as always. mount /dev/md0x /mnt/.. |
| 15:50.35 | sshc | I'm trying to save disk space by removeing /var/cache/apt/ |
| 15:50.43 | wintix | sshc: apt-get clean |
| 15:50.45 | sshc | is removing that safe? |
| 15:50.58 | toxic | wintix, would you mind looking at the result of mdadm --detail for me ? (pasteIt ?) |
| 15:51.14 | wintix | toxic: sure, pastebin it. |
| 15:51.23 | toxic | http://paste-it.net/public/x289505/ |
| 15:51.40 | sshc | wintix: what is autoclean? |
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| 15:51.52 | wintix | toxic: State : clean |
| 15:51.57 | wintix | toxic: that's fine :) |
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| 15:52.01 | toxic | ok, I mount it ! |
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| 15:52.28 | toxic | wintix, THANK YOU ! it works ! |
| 15:52.38 | wintix | toxic: no problem. |
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| 15:52.45 | wintix | sshc: what do you mean? |
| 15:52.48 | toxic | I'm so greatfull ! |
| 15:52.56 | tdn | BCM43, ok. |
| 15:53.04 | toxic | I really was afraid of loosing my entire datas... ;) |
| 15:53.19 | adb | toxic: now install debian .. |
| 15:53.25 | wintix | sshc: ah. i see. that does the same as clean but a bit more intelligent. |
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| 15:54.07 | wintix | toxic: soft-raids are hard to kill. you really can rescue those buggers from almost any state. |
| 15:54.35 | wintix | toxic: but as always: don't push your luck ;) |
| 15:54.35 | toxic | adb, i'm too lazy for this, this is my home server... I'm administrating some debian at work, bot for home I prefer ubuntu, it's faster to get started, and there are no real security issues with my homeServer... ;) |
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| 15:55.04 | wintix | toxic: you know that you are in a debian channel, right? ;) |
| 15:55.05 | toxic | wintix, thanks ! Do you think I should install the system on a raid too ? |
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| 15:56.03 | toxic | wintix, yep, debian-based distrib... ;) I'm really a debian fan, using it on my desktop ! but i'm really too lazy for my homeServer, and it's a way for me to discover some more distribs... ;) |
| 15:56.57 | toxic | plus, for my work, it's better when I say I have a ground knowledge of many distribs... ;) |
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| 15:57.11 | wintix | toxic: i normally have the os on some hardware raid controller and the data as soft-raid - for performance reasons. if you want to have your system on the soft-raid as well, you need a dedicated boot partition which will eat away n times the size of the partition for n drives. and you have to manually mirror the boot partition to the other disks. |
| 15:57.36 | wintix | toxic: because when the one disk with the boot partition fails you wouldn't be able to boot, if you didn't mirror it. |
| 15:58.17 | toxic | wintix, yep, that's why I dindn't set up the system on a raid in the first place... ;) |
| 15:58.24 | toxic | seems a little complicated... |
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| 15:58.58 | wintix | toxic: well that way you at least won't have a system without a boot partition but no system at all. |
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| 15:59.47 | toxic | I would like to buy some hardware raid to have my system on it, so it's recognize as a single drive by the CPU, but i'm not sure, because if the raid-controller fails, then I would have to buy the exact same controller again on order to get it right again... ??? |
| 15:59.59 | wintix | toxic: another option is to let the boot partition reside on some flash memory or usb stick. they can be easily copied and are unlikely to fail if there is only a boot partition on it. |
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| 16:00.16 | wintix | toxic: that's true. |
| 16:00.57 | Javi-K | I use wicd but every time I boot up the system I have to run /etc/init.d/networking restart so tha wicd can connect... could anyone tell me what to do in order to avoid that??? Thanks on forehand! |
| 16:01.13 | umarzuki | hi, what it means by "Install CA certificate to /etc/apache2/ssl/ca.pem" |
| 16:01.17 | toxic | wintix, what would be the best solution for you ? the easyest ? buy 2 raid-controllers (in case the first fails, just keep the second on the shelve...) and have the system on hard-raid ? |
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| 16:02.33 | IamSOG | anyone know if I just enter the module name "something like cpuid" in /etc/modules or should I put in " modprobe cpuid " ? |
| 16:03.02 | umarzuki | Javi-K, restart its session after everything else start with session manager? |
| 16:03.04 | wintix | toxic: well. that depends on your budget. in a datacenter environment i would for sure go for the hardware raid controller. in my home environment i would stick with the soft-raid and have the boot partition on some usb device which can easily be backed up. |
| 16:03.30 | Javi-K | the wicd session you mean? |
| 16:03.56 | umarzuki | yes |
| 16:04.04 | toxic | wintix, so, I install the system on a soft-raid, and the boot-partition on a separate hard-drive, and backup the /boot often ? |
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| 16:04.20 | _anonymouse | Is there something similar to 'TorK' in debian stable repos? |
| 16:04.54 | sshc | is apt-get autoclean unsafe to do? (I've read it is) |
| 16:04.59 | adb | _anonymouse: yes |
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| 16:05.22 | MrWax | how can I check the total size (in kb or mb) of all files that one folder contains |
| 16:05.31 | _anonymouse | adb: May I know what is it & if possible can you link me to it? |
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| 16:06.13 | adb | !tell _anonymouse about pdo |
| 16:06.25 | wintix | toxic: say you have n drives. each of those drives will get two partitions. maybe about 50M for some boot partition and the rest as physical volume for software raid. during the install you declare sda1 (50M) as /boot and the block device created by the raid as / or whatever you like. after the install just dd /dev/sda1 to all other /dev/sdX1 and set those other boot partitions to active as well. |
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| 16:06.49 | anddam | hello |
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| 16:06.50 | wintix | toxic: if now sda fails, the bios will happily boot from some other boot partition, if need be. |
| 16:07.08 | sshc | does debian by default treat "/tmp" specially? |
| 16:07.12 | sshc | is it cleared on reboot? |
| 16:07.19 | umarzuki | MrWax, du -hs /folder |
| 16:07.20 | sshc | or is it really kept on the hard drive? |
| 16:07.41 | umarzuki | sshc, it supposed to |
| 16:07.43 | wintix | toxic: after you replaced the hard drive, you just create 2 new partitions. one 50M and one with the rest. dd some boot partition to the new disc and add partition 2 to the raid. |
| 16:07.53 | umarzuki | clear after reboot |
| 16:08.16 | umarzuki | hi, what it means by "Install CA certificate to /etc/apache2/ssl/ca.pem" |
| 16:08.32 | sshc | umarzuki: is /tmp kept on the hard drive? |
| 16:08.35 | umarzuki | i'm confused by "install |
| 16:08.48 | sshc | or is it only in RAM? |
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| 16:08.55 | MrWax | umarzuki: thanks |
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| 16:10.00 | umarzuki | not sure |
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| 16:10.21 | kanzure | is there any particular reason that apt always uses a single repository mirror at a time? why not parallel downloading? |
| 16:11.05 | wintix | kanzure: what would you gain by doing that? |
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| 16:12.11 | abrotman | wintix: if your bandwidth is greater than the mirror .. and you had multiple mirrors specified .. you could get from more than one |
| 16:12.15 | abrotman | !apt-p2p |
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| 16:12.19 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 16:12.22 | toxic | wintix, ok, I see, clever ! my othe idea was to have the system on a hard drive and a backup of it on my Raid5 datas (as a file), so if the system fails, I just use a liveCD, mdadm--assemble and dd the backup on a new working drive... ? |
| 16:12.26 | kanzure | wintix: probably corrupt dependencies :) heh |
| 16:12.29 | toxic | would it be wokring ? |
| 16:12.59 | wintix | toxic: that would work, but you would have to live with the downtime. |
| 16:13.16 | kanzure | abrotman: well, there's a debtorrent package now, although it seems to have weird dependencies |
| 16:13.18 | wintix | abrotman: well, yeah. but you can always just use a faster mirror. |
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| 16:13.39 | abrotman | wintix: some people have very fast internet |
| 16:13.49 | umarzuki | !openssl |
| 16:13.49 | dpkg | [openssl] the OpenSource version of Secure Socket Layer, or http://www.openssl.org/, or see <whygnutls> |
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| 16:14.11 | toxic | ok, but that's not too bad for me... I mean, it's an easy way, and systems doesn't fails that often... ;) t's my homesever, so I almost always have physical access to it... ;) |
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| 16:14.25 | abrotman | kanzure: apt-p2p .. but not sure how many people use it |
| 16:15.02 | wintix | abrotman: i have 100mbit at my desktop at work and am more than satisfied with the usual 7mb/s i get from the german mirror. |
| 16:15.28 | abrotman | wintix: apparently he's not happy with his mirror .. you're arguing with the wrong person |
| 16:15.42 | wintix | abrotman: point taken :) |
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| 16:22.45 | cockroach | hi. i have a question regarding gnupg: when I type gpg -K <mykey> I see four uids, with a plain gpg -K only three uids are shown for the same key. any idea why that is? |
| 16:23.21 | ele_ | i have near me a wifi net, without password and it is ad hoc, how can i connect to it ? |
| 16:23.45 | beardy | If it's not yours, you shouldn't. |
| 16:24.06 | ele_ | beardy it's name "free public wifi" |
| 16:24.21 | nkuttler | ele_: man iwconfig and dhclient |
| 16:24.22 | ele_ | beardy, its strange |
| 16:24.36 | beardy | ele_: Very likely someone set it up to have you connect and then sniff the traffic. |
| 16:24.38 | ele_ | nkuttler, i know how to use them but dhclient can't connect |
| 16:24.51 | liable | i would be wary of connecting to that |
| 16:25.18 | cockroach | ele_: maybe there's no dhcp? |
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| 16:25.33 | ele_ | cockroach, and than? |
| 16:25.40 | beardy | ele_: First you have to set the ssid. And yes, on an ad hoc net it's quite likely there is no dhcp server. |
| 16:26.06 | ele_ | do i give me a address |
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| 16:26.35 | cockroach | ele_: also, afaik not all linux wireless drivers support adhoc mode at all |
| 16:26.47 | ele_ | oh ok |
| 16:26.50 | beardy | ele_: You'd have to do that yes. But you'd have to know what subnet is used. |
| 16:27.03 | ele_ | how can i know it ? |
| 16:27.24 | beardy | By knowing the owner of the other station and talking to them. |
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| 16:28.15 | ele_ | ahah |
| 16:28.17 | ele_ | ok |
| 16:28.19 | beardy | ele_: But you really shouldn't connect to it. |
| 16:28.45 | ele_ | yes |
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| 16:31.52 | beardy | ele_: But, also, the card must be configured to use ad-hoc mode, not station. But I say again.. think twice before doing it at all. |
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| 16:33.44 | ajavid | good monring |
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| 16:37.45 | ele_ | beardy, what does it mean that card must be configured to use ad-hoc mode ? |
| 16:37.54 | ele_ | using iwconfig ? |
| 16:39.02 | liable | yes, man iwconfig |
| 16:39.15 | beardy | ele_: No, using wlanconfig, on my card anyway.. but maybe iwconfig can aswell. |
| 16:39.27 | ele_ | ok thanks |
| 16:39.35 | liable | beardy: wlanconfig is specific to madwifi |
| 16:39.35 | ele_ | can airccrack help me ? |
| 16:39.40 | beardy | liable: Ah. |
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| 16:59.52 | ohay | is there something new in version 5.0 or mainly package updates ? |
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| 17:01.33 | ohay | I mean, if I don't care for updates will it be worth installing Debian 5 ? |
| 17:02.04 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 17:03.00 | maligor | ohay, over what? |
| 17:03.01 | IamSOG | um... how do I make a "runtable" file? I know in window it's .bat what about for Debian ? |
| 17:03.24 | abrotman | runtable ? |
| 17:03.25 | maligor | IamSOG, it's metadata in *nixes |
| 17:03.30 | ohay | I already have Debian 4 installed and it's all tuned and personalised |
| 17:03.41 | abrotman | ohay: oh .. security updates will run out eventually |
| 17:03.57 | maligor | IamSOG, chmod +x file.sh |
| 17:04.18 | IamSOG | ya abrotman and maligor I am trying to... like put some command in a file... so id on't have to copy and paste from the text, is it possible ? |
| 17:04.45 | maligor | IamSOG, ofcourse |
| 17:05.04 | IamSOG | maligor what the file extension should be ? |
| 17:05.09 | ohay | so no real milestone or anything? |
| 17:05.13 | maligor | IamSOG, windows .bat format is like comparing a rock to a missile |
| 17:05.26 | maligor | IamSOG, it doesn't matter, .sh is usually used for shell scripts |
| 17:05.28 | cahoot | windows rocks? |
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| 17:06.15 | IamSOG | oic, thanks maligor, lol I don't know, I usually create .bat just like that... so my friend don't have to keep asking me how to do chkdsk... i just tell them to run the file... |
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| 17:06.59 | maligor | IamSOG, you might also want to add #!/bin/bash to the beginning of the file too |
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| 17:07.32 | IamSOG | maligor you mean to the file name? or... oh, inside the file! thanks. |
| 17:07.55 | maligor | IamSOG, yeah, it tells the shell it's executed in what should be used to run the script |
| 17:08.09 | IamSOG | I see, thanks |
| 17:08.21 | cahoot | but scripting fsck ? |
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| 17:08.41 | IamSOG | No, I am trying to do a cpu sleep thing |
| 17:08.49 | maligor | cpu sleep? |
| 17:08.56 | maligor | you mean suspend? |
| 17:09.44 | IamSOG | no maligor old longrun CPU, kind of like speedstep or stepspeed... |
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| 17:10.28 | maligor | I think you need superuser to change something like that, but I could be wrong |
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| 17:10.58 | IamSOG | um.. oh wait... you might be right... now remind me when I do longrun I need to su.... |
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| 17:14.10 | sepult | is there something buggy with amarok due to ruby or sqlite ?? |
| 17:14.55 | sepult | some shoutcast streams get told not available, but that's not true as they are available within another app |
| 17:15.11 | sepult | amarok 1.4.10 |
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| 17:15.58 | szymon_g | hi |
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| 17:18.52 | szymon_g | to upgrade from lenny to testing, do i have to do something else than edit sources.list and then aptitude full-upgrade? |
| 17:19.20 | szymon_g | (in sources.list change everything with 'stable' or 'lenny' to testing) |
| 17:19.35 | ajavid | szymon_g, no |
| 17:19.56 | szymon_g | thanx ajavid |
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| 17:20.29 | ajavid | !tell szymon_g -about lenny->squeeze |
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| 17:21.54 | szymon_g | thanx again, ajavid |
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| 17:30.23 | DanDare | Hello, im using Debian Etch. There´s any way or application I can use to find RAM modules info ? |
| 17:30.54 | DanDare | i can see total mem at /proc/meminfo but not info for individual RAM sticks |
| 17:31.28 | cahoot | decode-dimms |
| 17:31.55 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:33.02 | DanDare | Ok cahoot, thank you |
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| 17:47.58 | BCM43 | what command does alt + F2 run? |
| 17:47.58 | Phlogi | nidias: fma |
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| 17:56.27 | pandator | OK, what does the Watch column mean in this table?----->http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=matrix%40debian.org |
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| 18:06.49 | HardDisk_WP | why does cron say bad hour for this entry in /etc/crontab: |
| 18:06.51 | HardDisk_WP | */30 * * * * www-data /usr/bin/php |
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| 18:09.38 | HardDisk_WP | oh nvm, there was another broken line |
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| 18:16.38 | Pnux | hey, how can i make iceweasel refesh a page ignoring the cache? |
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| 18:17.01 | Aquaraptor | Pnux, usually shift-F5 works |
| 18:17.10 | Aquaraptor | or shift-click the button |
| 18:17.31 | Pnux | neither works |
| 18:17.53 | Aquaraptor | huh, well that's how to do it in ff3, I haven't used iceweasel in ages |
| 18:17.56 | Pnux | and i tried all <something>+F5 |
| 18:18.05 | Aquaraptor | you could always just clear the cache |
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| 18:19.42 | debuz | Hello guys. |
| 18:20.04 | debuz | I'm having some noobie problems with apache2 + php5. When I try to open the site, it tells me to download it. Any ideas? |
| 18:21.41 | abrotman | clear your browser cache and restart your browser, then try again |
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| 18:22.34 | cahoot | debuz: already run a2enmod php? |
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| 18:23.02 | debuz | abrotman: already did that |
| 18:23.15 | abrotman | debuz: did you install libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 18:23.26 | debuz | yes |
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| 18:23.37 | nkuttler | debuz: restart apache |
| 18:23.50 | debuz | Did that too nkuttler ... Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) PHP/5.2.6-1+lenny3 with Suhosin-Patch Server at xxx Port 80 |
| 18:23.55 | ldsjohn | can someone point me to a solution please? I have a freshly installed debian lenny box, it has 2 onboard gigabit ethernet ports, at first boot they were eth0 and eth1, so I set eth0 to dhcp and eth1 to static, since I want this box to become a firewall / router for my network, I reboot and now eth0 is eth1 and eth1 is eth0, so I change the configs again, then reboot, and again they swapped... is there a way to get them to stop changing p |
| 18:24.53 | avu | !tell debuz about php wants me to download |
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| 18:24.57 | avu | !tell debuz about php wants me to download still |
| 18:25.01 | nkuttler | ldsjohn: /msg dpkg z25, or ifrename |
| 18:25.07 | jhambo | hey folks, when I try to setup my bluetooth mouse with Kbluetooth, I get "Failed to create the input device for MS Bluetooth mouse 5000!". Any ideas how I can fix this?? |
| 18:25.43 | debuz | avu: thanks, gonna take a look at it |
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| 18:26.03 | abrotman | avu: that's the samet hing i said! |
| 18:26.33 | anddam | hi |
| 18:26.35 | nkuttler | abrotman: did you say anything about telnet, wget etc? |
| 18:26.49 | anddam | I installed gschem and it doesn't seem to provide a menu entry, is that normal? |
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| 18:27.03 | abrotman | nkuttler: i bet it's still that he didn't restart the browser :) |
| 18:27.07 | nkuttler | debuz: there's no proxy in between i assume? |
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| 18:27.52 | debuz | nkuttler? nope, no proxy... wait because I think I found something in the wiki |
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| 18:29.12 | ldsjohn | it says that file is auto generated when I open it? is the right way to fix this just to edit that file? or will it be auto-regenerated? |
| 18:29.34 | cahoot | you can remove it |
| 18:29.47 | abrotman | ldsjohn: you can alter it to make whichever NIC you want to be eth0/1 |
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| 18:30.11 | debuz | abrotman & nkuttler: ok, it was the LoadModule thing... now it just won't find the documentroot... that I think I can handle. Let me try it =D |
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| 18:30.30 | abrotman | the what? |
| 18:30.37 | abrotman | a2enmod you mean ? |
| 18:30.41 | debuz | yeah |
| 18:31.03 | abrotman | obviously not .. you showed us the server signature that was showing php already running ? |
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| 18:31.18 | debuz | wrong port tho, sorry =) |
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| 18:32.06 | abrotman | you can't lie to us and expect good help!!!! :) |
| 18:32.42 | debuz | abrotman: hehe, sorry! xD |
| 18:33.14 | mroe | lenny has gnome 2.22, am I right in thinking that squeeze will most likely have at least 2.26 (current stable)? Make me feel a little bad for 2.24 |
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| 18:34.38 | debuz | abrotman: for some reason, not it tells me "The requested URL / was not found on this server", but the index.php is there |
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| 18:35.26 | debuz | and now the banner is just as the other one that works: Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) PHP/5.2.6-1+lenny3 with Suhosin-Patch Server at xaxa Port 8000 |
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| 18:35.56 | ldsjohn | Thank you nkuttler and abrotman, turns out it was my fault, I installed this box by sticking the harddrive in a nother computer that had a cdrom, then moving it to my cd-romless server, :-D, turns out that file had my first boxes mac as eth0, and both of the others as eht1, now that I removed the first line and fixed the other 2 its stayed for 2 reboots |
| 18:37.47 | debuz | abrotman: [Sun Jun 07 15:37:14 2009] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:8000 has no VirtualHosts << hmmm does this have something do to with the problem? |
| 18:37.58 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 18:38.36 | debuz | [Sun Jun 07 15:37:12 2009] [error] [client xxx] File does not exist: /htdocs << bet that does =D |
| 18:38.44 | debuz | but I can't find "htdocs" in any apache2 conf... |
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| 18:41.08 | debuz | abrotman: I think it's not using index.php for some reason |
| 18:41.29 | abrotman | grep DirectoryIndex <whateverconffile> |
| 18:41.54 | debuz | there's no DirectoryIndex :o |
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| 18:42.34 | debuz | gonna put "DirectoryIndex index.php index.cgi" on it |
| 18:43.25 | debuz | same =( |
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| 18:47.24 | g00se | gaim is not appearing in the system tray in xfce4. How come? |
| 18:50.11 | debuz | abrotman: you know what I did... I restored the conf backup... hahaha =) |
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| 18:50.55 | debuz | abrotman: spent some time searching for that tape, but it was there =D |
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| 18:51.31 | jhambo | so I start kbluetooth, go to configuration->input devices, click search, my bluetooth mouse shows up. Then I select the mouse and click "setup". and I get "failed to create the input device...". How can I get this to work?? |
| 18:51.52 | IamSOG | um.. is there other ways to list hardwares other than lspci ? |
| 18:52.03 | petemc | hwinfo |
| 18:52.13 | abrotman | !tell IamSOG about whats my hardware |
| 18:52.39 | IamSOG | thanks petemc and abrotman let me see if that works, I remember there's another ways to tell |
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| 18:55.53 | creature_ | where do you set the sample rate for soundcard? |
| 18:56.03 | creature_ | all my sounds are playing faster than they are supposed to |
| 18:56.07 | creature_ | its fucking annoying as hell |
| 18:56.34 | jhambo | Hmmmmm, no one want's to touch my bluetooth problem with a 10 foot pole... :( |
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| 19:01.50 | tuv | is there a shell command that halts (as 'sleep') until a specified time of the day? i'm looking for an equivalent of 'sleep until 3am' |
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| 19:06.28 | jhambo | Hmmm my /usr is completely full (4 GB). Does that seem like an unusually large amount of stuff in usr/? I don't think I installed _that_ much stuff... |
| 19:07.52 | xingu | jhambo: /usr/share can get ginormous |
| 19:08.14 | jelly-hme | jhambo: things like Gnome, KDE or different development packages can take a lot of space |
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| 19:11.33 | xingu | locale+doc+gnome+fonts = 1.125GB on my dev workstation |
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| 19:12.35 | xingu | it's larger if you have a tex installed from memory |
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| 19:12.53 | jhambo | xingu: ahhh yah I do have tex installed |
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| 19:28.01 | Ina | dir |
| 19:28.03 | Ina | oh ^^ |
| 19:28.15 | d0htem | yall got a bot in here |
| 19:28.27 | Ina | Is someone serious in installing Confixx? i will pay for it!! |
| 19:28.30 | d0htem | Yesimm`usHuttu is pmed me on join |
| 19:28.39 | russo | has anyone in herre set up or played with igmpproxy, its spamming my whole network at the moment and i'm not sure why :( |
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| 19:29.24 | nkuttler | d0htem: spam? |
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| 19:29.26 | simonrvn | ... |
| 19:29.36 | d0htem | nkuttler: free porno vidoes with a link was the msg |
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| 19:29.54 | russo | oops wrong hotkey |
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| 19:30.20 | d0htem | haha |
| 19:30.22 | d0htem | dumbass |
| 19:30.45 | wintix | d0htem: be polite, will you? |
| 19:30.50 | d0htem | sorry |
| 19:30.56 | Ina | Is someone serious in installing Confixx? i will pay for it!! |
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| 19:32.26 | twisted` | Ina: what the hell is Confixx |
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| 19:32.51 | Ina | twisted` its like plesk |
| 19:33.36 | twisted` | Parallels Confixx is a hosting control panel for the Central European market and is only sold in the German language. |
| 19:33.38 | nkuttler | Ina: confixx is not in debian, so kind off off-topic |
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| 19:34.16 | nkuttler | Ina: ask your hoster |
| 19:34.18 | Ina | :) |
| 19:34.24 | Ina | nkuttler hetzner dont installed it for me ^^ |
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| 19:34.47 | Ina | nobody serious with confixx? |
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| 19:36.38 | debuz | Hi guys. I'm having some trouble setting up postfix with authentication. The error + the logs are here: http://pastebin.com/m772d33e2 . Could anyone help me with this config, please? |
| 19:36.54 | RichiH | is there a way to have a sshd display a banner _before_ it asks for username & password? |
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| 19:37.04 | Javi-K | Hi |
| 19:37.08 | d0htem | yes but i cant remember how RichiH |
| 19:37.15 | RichiH | well, have the sshd send a banner which is displayed by the client |
| 19:37.18 | RichiH | to be exact ;) |
| 19:37.26 | d0htem | its somewhere in /etc that you do it |
| 19:37.42 | RichiH | if you mean /etc/motd, that is after login |
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| 19:38.39 | debuz | RichiH: I think you have to create a /etc/ssh/sshd-banner file and add "Banner /etc/ssh/sshd-banner" to /etc/sshd_config |
| 19:38.47 | debuz | RichiH: don't forget to restart the sshd |
| 19:39.23 | debuz | just might not work with putty and some others... with standard ssh clients, it should work ok |
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| 19:41.44 | RichiH | debuz: thanks |
| 19:42.35 | debuz | RichiH: np |
| 19:42.53 | Ina | nobody serious with confixx? |
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| 19:44.04 | adb | Ina: from no on thats a troll, so be quiet |
| 19:44.15 | adb | now* |
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| 19:44.38 | Z4ndX | Hello .. |
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| 19:45.08 | Z4ndX | Whats the commands for viewing wich graphic card i have ? |
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| 19:45.12 | Z4ndX | Any onw ? |
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| 19:45.29 | d0htem | lspci |
| 19:45.30 | Z4ndX | Need to find driver for it |
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| 19:46.21 | cahoot | Z4ndX: hwinfo might help |
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| 19:47.10 | LuciusMare | hello,what command will show me the empty space on a disk? |
| 19:47.16 | Z4ndX | lspci did the trick. Its a VIA Tech, S3 UniChrome Pro. |
| 19:47.19 | twisted` | df -h |
| 19:47.20 | d0htem | df |
| 19:47.20 | Z4ndX | LuciusMare: df -h |
| 19:47.22 | Z4ndX | :D |
| 19:47.24 | LuciusMare | thanks |
| 19:47.25 | d0htem | :o |
| 19:47.42 | Z4ndX | How do i install the graphic driver ? .. |
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| 19:47.48 | Z4ndX | Any easy way ? |
| 19:47.56 | twisted` | and to figure out what's eating the space: du -h --max-depth=1 |
| 19:48.02 | d0htem | Z4ndX: ubuntu :p |
| 19:48.10 | twisted` | on bsd it would be du -h -d1 |
| 19:48.13 | cahoot | Z4ndX: it isn't already installed? |
| 19:48.23 | Z4ndX | No Debian |
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| 19:49.06 | Ina | hmm |
| 19:49.06 | Ina | ^ |
| 19:49.09 | Z4ndX | Got an old laptop. So i installed Debian (net install)" + XDM and Fluxbox |
| 19:49.14 | dhblewis | hi. I get this error message: Your PHP MySQL library version 5.0.51a differs from your MySQL server version 5.1.34. This may cause unpredictable behavior. on debian. I have no idea how to fix it. im a newbie |
| 19:49.27 | Z4ndX | But there is something wrong the det resolution |
| 19:49.46 | Z4ndX | ? |
| 19:49.56 | twisted` | dhblewis: is the mysql module for php the same version? |
| 19:49.59 | Z4ndX | But there is something wrong with the resolution |
| 19:50.17 | twisted` | Z4ndX: is it widescreen? |
| 19:50.25 | dhblewis | twisted. im not sure -how can i check |
| 19:50.37 | Z4ndX | twisted`: no |
| 19:50.40 | twisted` | dhblewis: good one :p |
| 19:50.52 | twisted` | dhblewis: I usually read the man pages for apt-get or the help file |
| 19:50.56 | twisted` | dhblewis: check apt-cache tho |
| 19:51.03 | twisted` | Z4ndX: too low res? |
| 19:51.14 | twisted` | Z4ndX: less /var/log/X11/xorg.log I thinks |
| 19:51.25 | twisted` | check what it says about your gfx |
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| 19:52.10 | debuz | -- Having some troube config. postfix+sasl. Errors are here: http://pastebin.com/m45a621e9 - Any ideas, people? =) |
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| 19:54.05 | mib_mbsmrtui | hi |
| 19:54.11 | debuz | hi |
| 19:54.44 | mib_mbsmrtui | Can anyone help me in remotely configuring local area network of a computer lab? |
| 19:55.12 | adb | try #networking |
| 19:55.20 | mib_mbsmrtui | thanks |
| 19:55.26 | adb | np |
| 19:56.40 | mib_mbsmrtui | i think no one is in #networking ? |
| 19:57.04 | Tramp | [21:55:52] <mib_mbsmrtui> anyone here? <--- what do you expect as an answer? Ask a question there and don't be impatient |
| 19:57.08 | mib_mbsmrtui | does anyone know a tool to remotely configure computers from a server? |
| 19:57.15 | mib_mbsmrtui | sorry |
| 19:57.28 | hjb | what's the filesize limit for ext2? |
| 19:57.37 | d0htem | mib_mbsmrtui: ##networking |
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| 19:58.07 | wintix | hjb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext2 |
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| 19:58.23 | hjb | wintix: thanks, found that by myself ;) |
| 19:58.37 | hjb | i have a strange problem here where files are truncated at 4gb size |
| 19:58.49 | hjb | it's an ext2 filesystem exported via nfs |
| 19:59.07 | dvs | hjb: It's an NFS problem |
| 19:59.13 | hjb | if i write to it from the nfs client that's mounted the filesystem, the files are getting truncated |
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| 19:59.26 | twisted` | hjb: what dvs said |
| 19:59.37 | hjb | dvs twisted` details? |
| 19:59.45 | hjb | what can i do about it? |
| 19:59.53 | Tammy-- | I'm trying to set up iptables on a new Web server I'm building, and all seems to be good except that when I enable my iptables rules, I get timeout errors when I make DNS queries. If I dump the rules, DNS starts working again. Would someone mind eyeballing my iptables rules and seeing if they can spot what I'm doing wrong? |
| 19:59.56 | twisted` | read nfs docs? |
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| 20:00.15 | Tammy-- | http://tsweb.taylored-software.com/~tlcravit/iptables.txt |
| 20:00.27 | wintix | hjb: either read or use a newer nfs version. the wikipedia article on nfs would have told you that. |
| 20:00.37 | Z4ndX | twisted`: Okay.. Found out that VIA does not support this card but "open chrome" does. And its installed. But the thing is that its like the desktop is far to big for the screen. Whats wrong there ? |
| 20:01.03 | twisted` | Z4ndX: desktop is too big? u mean the window manageR? |
| 20:01.24 | Z4ndX | Yes |
| 20:01.33 | twisted` | check those logs/preferences etc |
| 20:01.42 | Z4ndX | ? |
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| 20:01.49 | twisted` | Z4ndX: check the config for the WM |
| 20:01.58 | hjb | wintix: ehm, ok. the server is debian lenny. i thought it was running nfsv3 by default. Isn't that the case? |
| 20:01.58 | twisted` | if X is acting OK then it's the WM fuckin it up |
| 20:02.11 | wintix | hjb: no idea. |
| 20:02.15 | twisted` | hjb: your running stable debian ofcourse not |
| 20:02.16 | twisted` | :p |
| 20:02.23 | hjb | heh :D |
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| 20:02.31 | twisted` | hjb: stable means u get like obsolete packages :p |
| 20:02.32 | cahoot | Z4ndX: might try to explicitly set DisplaySize in xorg.conf |
| 20:02.41 | hjb | hey, nfsv3 is quite as old as debian ;) |
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| 20:02.50 | hjb | 1995 |
| 20:03.06 | hjb | i don't believe that that's my problem |
| 20:03.16 | twisted` | nfs -v or something? |
| 20:03.19 | twisted` | never used nfs so dunno |
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| 20:03.56 | Z4ndX | cahoot: Well the xorg file looks lige it havent been modifyed at all |
| 20:03.59 | hjb | twisted`: at least you knew more then me: that it's an nfs problem ;) |
| 20:04.10 | hjb | twisted` wintix thanks |
| 20:04.25 | twisted` | hjb: well if it only truncates when used over nfs I guess that's the problem then eh :p |
| 20:04.37 | jhambo | on debian etch. so I start kbluetooth, go to configuration->input devices, click search, my bluetooth mouse shows up. Then I select the mouse and click "setup". and I get "failed to create the input device...". How can I get this to work?? |
| 20:04.54 | twisted` | jhambo: #kde ?? |
| 20:05.01 | hjb | twisted`: yeah, me too |
| 20:05.16 | hjb | twisted`: but it's unlikely that it's the version of nfs that's causing my trouble |
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| 20:05.27 | twisted` | check the configs |
| 20:05.28 | twisted` | etc |
| 20:05.31 | twisted` | the logs |
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| 20:05.44 | twisted` | hjb: prolly /var/log/nfs.something |
| 20:05.51 | jhambo | twisted`: tried but it's a bit quite over there... |
| 20:06.05 | twisted` | then check the configs if you can enable verbose logging |
| 20:06.09 | LuciusMare | hey,how can i get a list of processes that use a direcory/file? |
| 20:06.15 | twisted` | LuciusMare: lsof |
| 20:06.22 | LuciusMare | thx |
| 20:06.23 | twisted` | LuciusMare: lsof /home/user/ e.g. |
| 20:06.42 | twisted` | ok never helpin him again :p |
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| 20:07.19 | hjb | twisted`: the last thing found in the logs regarding nfs is the mount request from the client |
| 20:07.26 | hjb | that's before the truncated file |
| 20:07.35 | hjb | i think i have to search on client side... |
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| 20:08.28 | MiGueLL_ | hello , I need to know how to install "gmake" on my Debian via apt-get pls? |
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| 20:08.36 | hjb | hmm, it's mounted on client side as nfsv3 so the limits in the wp article doesn't catch |
| 20:08.49 | Manoj | MiGueLL_: the package is called make |
| 20:08.56 | hjb | problem is that it's an embedded system which doesn#T do any logging |
| 20:08.58 | hjb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.17 | MiGueLL_ | I have installed the make, but when I using gmake, it tells me, Command now found, or I need to use make instead gmake? |
| 20:09.21 | twisted` | hjb: what happens if you make a file bigger then 4gb on the ext2 itself? |
| 20:09.46 | twisted` | hjb: dd if=/dev/zero of=~/somefile bs=1024 etc |
| 20:09.49 | twisted` | read the man :p |
| 20:09.51 | twisted` | lazy |
| 20:09.59 | Manoj | MiGueLL_: alias make gmake? ln -s /usr/bin/make ~/bin/gmake? |
| 20:10.01 | hjb | twisted`: works without problems ;) |
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| 20:10.14 | Manoj | (assuming ~/bin is in the PATH) |
| 20:10.17 | MiGueLL_ | :D |
| 20:10.19 | hjb | i can easily download dl dvd images to it using bittoreent ;) |
| 20:10.20 | MiGueLL_ | thank you Manoj |
| 20:10.41 | diffred | I've been placing my "hello.cgi" perl cgi in almost any /cgi-bin folder on my debian, how comes up that when I link it on my webpage keeps appearing internal server error?? |
| 20:10.44 | Javi-K | MiGueLL_, spanish? :) |
| 20:11.02 | MiGueLL_ | yes, I guess |
| 20:11.03 | MiGueLL_ | :) |
| 20:11.07 | Javi-K | :) |
| 20:11.08 | diffred | spanish here too :D |
| 20:11.23 | Javi-K | nice meeting hehe |
| 20:11.28 | MiGueLL_ | cool! :) hola amiguetes:) |
| 20:11.51 | diffred | anyone using apache knows where to place the cgi script? |
| 20:12.02 | twisted` | right :p no habla espanol :p |
| 20:12.08 | mib_mbsmrtui | place it in /var/www |
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| 20:12.43 | MattCampbell | Which is the preferred command-line APT front-end now, apt-get or aptitude? |
| 20:12.55 | hjb | MattCampbell: whatever you prefer ;) |
| 20:12.55 | MattCampbell | I ask because I remember reading that it was best to use aptitude to upgrade from Sarge to Etch. |
| 20:13.01 | diffred | mib_mbsmrtui: already tried, internal server error :( |
| 20:13.46 | MattCampbell | So if I start out using aptitude and then change my mind, is that OK? |
| 20:13.53 | MattCampbell | Are there any issues to be aware of if I do that? |
| 20:14.59 | Z4ndX | Whats the command to find out wich modus iv got/running ? |
| 20:15.19 | mib_mbsmrtui | lsmod |
| 20:15.21 | hjb | twisted` wintix ohhh f*** :D |
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| 20:15.51 | hjb | twisted` wintix there's an option on my embedded device to limit the maximux file size of recordings |
| 20:15.55 | ktlr | hi there, i would like to resize my partitions, so i have two partitions , either size is 500G , so i want to resize it one partition to windows, the problem is on partitions has got a ext3 fs system and a lot of data , my question is, if i use a gparted and set a new size, so my datas will not be lost ? |
| 20:16.06 | hjb | twisted` wintix guess to what it was set!! :D |
| 20:16.16 | twisted` | hjb: lol |
| 20:16.27 | bzed | ktlr: you never know what happens, so don'tdo such things without having a backup/. |
| 20:16.29 | Z4ndX | mib_mbsmrtui: thanks.. How can i chech its in use ? |
| 20:16.30 | ilaiho | ssh appears to be broken in ion3 under lenny |
| 20:16.41 | hjb | twisted`: thanks for your help anyway :) |
| 20:16.49 | ktlr | bzed: it is a bad news :( |
| 20:16.55 | ilaiho | or should it be configured first |
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| 20:17.01 | mib_mbsmrtui | try lsmod -l |
| 20:17.06 | neuro_damage | how do I install the libgtk-x11 package? |
| 20:17.15 | mib_mbsmrtui | apt-get install |
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| 20:17.30 | nkuttler | ilaiho: what the ? |
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| 20:18.43 | ilaiho | nkuttler: ion3 has a functionality to open ssh client by pressing F4 |
| 20:18.46 | mib_mbsmrtui | how can i remotely run same script on computers in a network? |
| 20:19.26 | infernixx | i have had a filesystem crash and have thousands of 12356788 files (eg filename is juat a number). Does anyone know of a method to add extensions to these files (e.g. some way to utilise the 'file' command and then rename them accordingly)? |
| 20:19.41 | MattCampbell | mib_mbsmrtui: ssh with public/private keys so as to avoid password authentication |
| 20:19.43 | nkuttler | mib_mbsmrtui: cron? ssh? |
| 20:20.13 | nkuttler | ilaiho: sounds like ion3 is broken, doesn't it? |
| 20:21.49 | bzed | ktlr: backups are nothing new. |
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| 20:22.40 | ilaiho | nkuttler: ?? |
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| 20:23.20 | mib_mbsmrtui | is there any complete package to remotely control, ssh, monitor computers on a local area network? I tried Nagios. Any package like this Nagios with remotely controling computers? |
| 20:23.21 | nkuttler | ilaiho: figure out whatever ion3 does when you press f4.. |
| 20:23.45 | twisted` | mib_mbsmrtui: why? |
| 20:23.54 | twisted` | mib_mbsmrtui: what's the point of having a sysadmin around then :p |
| 20:24.15 | mib_mbsmrtui | i am sitting on a server of a computer lab. i am configuring and installing debian all those cilents |
| 20:24.33 | mib_mbsmrtui | so it is difficult for me to run to 100 computes to configure them |
| 20:24.43 | twisted` | well if they are all the same |
| 20:24.46 | twisted` | just dd the disks |
| 20:24.59 | mib_mbsmrtui | ok |
| 20:25.07 | gorp | just do virtualization and then cloning !!! |
| 20:25.16 | twisted` | gorp: that's just ridiculous |
| 20:25.58 | gorp | twisted`, really ? |
| 20:26.03 | twisted` | yup |
| 20:26.17 | twisted` | why virtualise it if you can just install the physical machine |
| 20:26.21 | mib_mbsmrtui | Anybody heard about Nagios? |
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| 20:26.35 | gorp | i've heard about nagios |
| 20:26.45 | mib_mbsmrtui | i hav installed it |
| 20:26.59 | adb | mib_mbsmrtui: seems you need fai |
| 20:26.59 | mib_mbsmrtui | but it doesnt have the capability to run shell scripts on remote clients? |
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| 20:27.08 | mib_mbsmrtui | fai? |
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| 20:27.11 | gorp | twisted`, things are not that simple, virtualization might be of some use |
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| 20:27.38 | gorp | mib_mbsmrtui, you have to run nagios agens on clients |
| 20:28.26 | mib_mbsmrtui | ohh |
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| 20:29.23 | _Lemon_ | Hello, if I have a server booted from the network in a "rescue" mode (E.g. not from disks), would it be possible to install Debian all over SSH easily? What method should I look into/going about to do so? |
| 20:29.30 | gorp | what would you like to supervise mib_mbsmrtui ? |
| 20:30.05 | gorp | _Lemon_ : the debian installer have plenty limitations ... |
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| 20:30.17 | mib_mbsmrtui | supervise? |
| 20:30.29 | _Lemon_ | gorp: is this one of them though? |
| 20:30.40 | gorp | in particular networking configuration of the installer is really poor _Lemon_ |
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| 20:31.40 | mib_mbsmrtui | i have root passwords of all computers, have installed debian and configured the network interfaces manually on clients |
| 20:31.59 | mib_mbsmrtui | just i wanted to remotely ssh on each computer and run the same shell script |
| 20:32.26 | mib_mbsmrtui | scripts like configuration of packages. |
| 20:32.45 | _Lemon_ | gorp: well, really I'd be looking to be able to install it straight to the disks which wouldn't be mounted at this point (but obviously mountable) in the host system |
| 20:32.50 | gorp | 100 machines with networking manually configured ???? you should listen about something called dhcp mib_mbsmrtui |
| 20:33.12 | mib_mbsmrtui | It is a computer lab. |
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| 20:33.30 | mib_mbsmrtui | Students will learn debian here |
| 20:33.36 | adb | apt-cache show fai-server |
| 20:33.46 | mib_mbsmrtui | lemme see |
| 20:33.55 | adb | http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai |
| 20:33.58 | Z4ndX | I need a really "low end" webbrowser.. Can any one recommend one ?.. |
| 20:34.00 | gorp | _Lemon_, what is the problem ??? have you an apt-proxy installed on your network ? |
| 20:34.53 | _Lemon_ | To be honest, I'm not really sure on the whole process. Normally I would have physical access, but this time I don't |
| 20:34.56 | gorp | mib_mbsmrtui, sound great ... teaching debian ???? where are you from ? |
| 20:35.38 | mib_mbsmrtui | India. We are running a free software workshop i an college. We are teaching shell scripting and debian basics to graduate students |
| 20:36.03 | angelblade | hi. i detect on favicon at http://www.reikiactivo.com/ the logo of debian. is it , a thief of logo? |
| 20:36.05 | mib_mbsmrtui | it is 4th day, and most of the computers are misconfigured by the students |
| 20:36.26 | gorp | shell scripting ??? and debian ??? FUCKING HELL !!!!! you are on the right way :!:!: shell scripting is all !!! |
| 20:36.57 | infernixx | mib_mbsmrtui: an alternative could be puppet |
| 20:36.58 | mib_mbsmrtui | No we also train students on drupal, python,php ,perl , java |
| 20:37.08 | gorp | here in France, students now nothing about shell scripting, but only weird java |
| 20:37.17 | mib_mbsmrtui | we also assign them projects such as mail notifier, gui for ffmpeg |
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| 20:37.27 | gorp | _Lemon_, you do not have inet access ? |
| 20:37.31 | infernixx | mib_mbsmrtui: or cfengine |
| 20:37.37 | mib_mbsmrtui | ok |
| 20:37.56 | adb | fai is based on cfengine |
| 20:38.06 | infernixx | puppet probably gives most flexibility |
| 20:38.12 | octoserver | I have a mini dvd disk that seems to be malfunctioning, is there a way to force a bit for bit copy if it? |
| 20:38.21 | twisted` | octoserver: dd |
| 20:38.23 | octoserver | dd: reading `/dev/dvd': Input/output error |
| 20:38.31 | octoserver | 0+0 records in |
| 20:38.38 | octoserver | 0+0 records out |
| 20:38.40 | nkuttler | octoserver: bad.. could the drive be bad? |
| 20:38.49 | octoserver | drive is ok |
| 20:38.56 | _Lemon_ | gorp: Yes, via the shell -- I have probably missed something painfully obvious with Debian's installation system though |
| 20:38.59 | nkuttler | octoserver: did the dvd work in the past? |
| 20:39.02 | twisted` | octoserver: try /dev/sdb or whatever it's called |
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| 20:39.11 | octoserver | something wrong witht he disk, but i can see that information was burned to the disk |
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| 20:39.39 | nkuttler | octoserver: i guess it's nothing obvious like scratches? i'd try other drives first |
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| 20:39.44 | gorp | _Lemon_ Static IP route problem ?? |
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| 20:39.54 | jhambo | when I try to setup my bluetooth mouse in kinputwizard I get "failed to create the input device..." Is there a solution to this problem? |
| 20:40.00 | infernixx | mib_mbsmrtui: LTSP might be an option in your situation |
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| 20:40.14 | yoshio | mib_mbsmrtui: maybe package 'dsh'? aptitude show dsh web page http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/dsh.html.en |
| 20:40.17 | mib_mbsmrtui | so any thing other thatn puppet, cfengine, fai-server, dsh for me? I have got whole night to experiment? |
| 20:40.21 | gorp | _Lemon_, you can just install with the packages contains in the media, and apt-upgrade at reboot. |
| 20:40.36 | infernixx | mib_mbsmrtui: LTSP might give you the least amount of headaches in the long run |
| 20:40.47 | infernixx | since you stop worrying about local configuration |
| 20:40.49 | xaashi | channel announcement: debootstrap creators, you are gods amongst men .. i love you people |
| 20:41.07 | octoserver | nkuttler: well, there arent many scratches, but the dvd was burned with a camcorder, and i have never been able to get any drive to read it |
| 20:41.13 | _Lemon_ | gorp: Install to where? this is a separate system that needs to install a complete system onto the hard disk |
| 20:41.29 | yoshio | octoserver: was the dvd finalized? |
| 20:41.38 | octoserver | how can I find out what /dev/ it is ? |
| 20:41.54 | gorp | _Lemon_, i must have missed your problem |
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| 20:42.05 | octoserver | yoshio: it may not have been since k3b pops up and asks if I want to write something to it |
| 20:42.11 | twisted` | octoserver: dmesg|less |
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| 20:42.45 | mib_mbsmrtui | Thanks infernix and everyone else |
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| 20:43.21 | twisted` | mib_mbsmrtui: I still think the easiest would be if all the machines are exactly the same to copy the disk multiple times to every machine |
| 20:43.31 | twisted` | either have a server serve them their image |
| 20:43.40 | twisted` | or dd it by hand |
| 20:43.44 | anddam | should alternatives appear in system menu? I mean should I expect an "x-terminal-emulator" entry? |
| 20:44.05 | mib_mbsmrtui | twisted: In daily classes student change and experiment the configuration of the clients. it is impossible to keep same copy of hdds |
| 20:44.17 | twisted` | mib_mbsmrtui: exactly because they do that |
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| 20:44.28 | twisted` | mib_mbsmrtui: so you can easily put a fresh/clean image |
| 20:44.37 | octoserver | ok, i get the same error with dd if=/dev/hdb |
| 20:44.43 | mib_mbsmrtui | but what about the files they would have created? |
| 20:45.01 | octoserver | is there a way to read from a disk that was not finalized, or that may have been burned badly ? |
| 20:45.02 | _Lemon_ | gorp: Perhaps I don't understand it truly myself, I guess I need to experiment a bit myself |
| 20:45.03 | k1ckn1ck | i am currently booting into my debian installation via a knoppix livecd, when trying to access or cp the dmesg log to another location i get permission denied. do i just chmod it? or is there something else involved |
| 20:45.10 | twisted` | mib_mbsmrtui: let their /home be on a server too |
| 20:45.14 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ....i wanted to install openOffice.org ..and i found openoffice.org , openoffice.org2 ....whats the real one ??:D |
| 20:45.16 | gorp | mib_mbsmrtui, first install one machin with an apt-proxy, an dhcp, and pxe boot services |
| 20:45.38 | abchirk | HI, can anyone help me with that problem. I aborted aptitude.. now I get this with ttf-liberation. what to do? http://nopaste.de/p/aTfZU6rOF |
| 20:45.42 | mib_mbsmrtui | gorp: i already installed and configured apt-cacher |
| 20:45.45 | _Lemon_ | gorp: Thanks for your help though |
| 20:45.58 | gorp | as twisted` suggested, nfs for users, and openldap |
| 20:46.15 | twisted` | gorp: no the hell with openldap |
| 20:46.21 | twisted` | gorp: that's just a pita |
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| 20:49.01 | yoshio | abchirk: did you try aptitude -f remove ttf-liberation - or try re-installing it, then removing it |
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| 20:49.17 | Rosswell98 | !fr |
| 20:49.18 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 20:49.47 | abchirk | yoshio, I get same error with both methods! :( |
| 20:50.04 | yoshio | abchirk: you can see the scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ttf-liberation* |
| 20:51.01 | abchirk | yoshio, should I del them? :P |
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| 20:52.18 | yoshio | abchirk: do the scripts have the executable bit set on? |
| 20:52.45 | abchirk | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Dec 14 15:23 ttf-liberation.postinst |
| 20:52.45 | abchirk | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Dec 14 15:23 ttf-liberation.prerm <-- only those |
| 20:52.59 | abchirk | the other 3 not |
| 20:53.38 | yoshio | abchirk: in the file /var/lib/dpkg/status, you can look for "Package: ttf-liberation", and change the status to not installed |
| 20:54.21 | yoshio | abchirk: Status: purge ok not-installed |
| 20:54.30 | abchirk | Status: deinstall ok half-configured < this is what I got |
| 20:54.30 | abchirk | ok |
| 20:54.40 | yoshio | abchirk: but the files would still be on your system |
| 20:55.04 | octoserver | im doind dd if=/dev/hdb of=/home/crap.iso conv=noerror and it is going like crazy copying nothing it seems, will it know when to stop ? |
| 20:55.46 | abchirk | yes, works... wow thank you yoshio!! :) |
| 20:55.54 | twisted` | octoserver: yep |
| 20:55.59 | octoserver | so far i have only seen 0+0 records in and out but after 272 secons it is still going |
| 20:56.14 | yoshio | abchirk: maybe re-install ttf-liberation, then remove again to prevent cruft |
| 20:56.15 | twisted` | octoserver: you could set a bytesize it must use to copy |
| 20:56.21 | abchirk | ah ok |
| 20:56.26 | twisted` | octoserver: put it to the amount ur dvd player can read at once |
| 20:56.44 | octoserver | what is the normal bite size writen with a dvd in a camcorder? |
| 20:56.55 | octoserver | 512 is ok? |
| 20:56.59 | twisted` | I have no idea, think so |
| 20:57.57 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys .. i think i installed the minimal of gnome from cd1 |
| 20:58.07 | cobra-the-joker | how can i get full gnome here ? |
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| 20:58.16 | octoserver | OMG it is copying stuff lol |
| 20:58.57 | octoserver | i did bs=512 and conv=noerror,sync and i have 14 MB copied so far who hoooooooo |
| 20:59.02 | zeroConf | any recomendations on ip-accounting packages ? thre seems to be a slew of them and i am wondering what to choose... currently leaning slightly towards lpac but wonder if anyone has experience...? |
| 20:59.24 | maligor | cobra-the-joker, well, there's the gnome metapackage |
| 20:59.28 | octoserver | i think sync fills in zeros if there are read errors |
| 20:59.33 | maligor | cobra-the-joker, so aptitude install gnome |
| 20:59.50 | cobra-the-joker | mmmm....ok |
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| 21:00.19 | octoserver | or fills with nulls, not sure |
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| 21:01.30 | toyo|desk | hello, is it true that debian has a ps3 live cd? |
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| 21:03.24 | maligor | debian live seems to only do i386 and amd64 images |
| 21:03.58 | maligor | so a ps3 (ppc) live image would be from some other source than debian live |
| 21:04.10 | toyo|desk | oh |
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| 21:04.34 | toyo|desk | I googled around and there were articles from a while ago saying that deb had a ps3 live cd |
| 21:04.46 | toyo|desk | thought I would see if that were still true |
| 21:04.49 | nsadmin | !debian live |
| 21:04.49 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). |
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| 21:05.44 | maligor | toyo|desk, it's entirely possible someone has made one |
| 21:05.48 | maligor | the official releases are always the good old installer tho |
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| 21:06.08 | toyo|desk | yeah I really want to try and avoid formatting my ps3 hdd |
| 21:06.09 | toyo|desk | :/ |
| 21:06.11 | nsadmin | do those live cds have installers? |
| 21:06.25 | adb | not yet |
| 21:06.47 | toyo|desk | really just want to boot a live cd so I can try running boinc on the ps3 |
| 21:06.48 | toyo|desk | :D |
| 21:07.07 | nsadmin | so you could run them and run debootstrap if you were so inclined |
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| 21:08.59 | diffred | Hi. I really need help, when I try to open any GUI app from terminal , I keep getting: No protocol specified Error: unable to open display :0.0. I've been messing with nvidia drivers and now I don't know what to do. |
| 21:09.20 | SirTopHat | when I try to open my windows filesystem from the "Computer" window it sais I don't have permissions. I'm really tired of having to do it through the shell. can I make it so I can do things that need root permissions on X |
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| 21:12.03 | Krataton | Hello, I am trying to compile a kernel module, but i get the following error message: ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid.\n include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing |
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| 21:13.25 | yoshio | I'm trying to display Japanese web pages on iceweasel on a US system (http://ja.wikipedia.org), but the fonts don't display correctly - I have the sazanami kochi/mincho fonts installed, Debian squeeze. what else do I need? |
| 21:14.07 | SirTopHat | I've read two tutorials on file/folder permissions and neither actually said how to do it |
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| 21:14.13 | SirTopHat | the command that does it |
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| 21:15.09 | nsadmin | SirTopHat: man chmod |
| 21:15.14 | SirTopHat | ok |
| 21:15.28 | nsadmin | also info coreutils |
| 21:15.54 | macrobat | SirTopHat: do you have permissions for your home directory? |
| 21:16.00 | SirTopHat | yeah I'm root |
| 21:16.10 | nsadmin | why? |
| 21:16.23 | nsadmin | you're doing admin type stuff? |
| 21:16.57 | nsadmin | you can protect your system by not running as root habitually |
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| 21:17.24 | SirTopHat | I don't need any protection or anything |
| 21:17.36 | macrobat | we all need protestion :) |
| 21:17.37 | SirTopHat | I just need to be able to open my mounted ntfs filesystem from X, which I can't do |
| 21:18.01 | SirTopHat | I set the folder it's mounted to, called /windows2 to 777 and still I can't open it as a normal user |
| 21:18.24 | nsadmin | oh, so really this is less about unix perms and more about ntfs |
| 21:18.36 | adb | !tell SirTopHat about ntfs-3g |
| 21:18.46 | SirTopHat | I know I got some thing that lets me be able to read/write onto ntfs |
| 21:19.03 | nsadmin | what would that something be? |
| 21:19.18 | SirTopHat | don't remember ,-. |
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| 21:19.37 | adb | !tell SirTopHat about user accessible ntfs |
| 21:19.55 | nsadmin | so that's not so helpful... you need to know what you have |
| 21:20.38 | nsadmin | is it a kernel module? |
| 21:20.51 | SirTopHat | it might be ntfs-3g |
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| 21:20.55 | SirTopHat | I'll see if thats installed |
| 21:20.58 | nsadmin | try lsmod | grep ntfs |
| 21:21.29 | SirTopHat | ntfs 184084 2 |
| 21:21.35 | buntfalke | I broke the content of the video memory by using framebuffer / direct graphics et cetera. now X works fine, but terminal is the last X-frame plus a small box of scattered lines reacting properly to my commands. |
| 21:21.41 | nsadmin | oh ok, it's a different driver |
| 21:21.43 | buntfalke | how can i fix the video mem for terminal again? |
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| 21:23.31 | SirTopHat | can I change the filesystem to not be case sensitive |
| 21:23.33 | adb | yoshio: :ã¦ã£ãããã£ã¢ã«ãããã i read ja.wikipedia.org with utf-8 (only) |
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| 21:25.03 | nsadmin | SirTopHat: that would be a matter of having the driver use the non-case-sensitive versions of string comparisons |
| 21:25.28 | nsadmin | that would have to be in the code for that to happen; it might be |
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| 21:26.13 | yoshio | adb: well, pidgin (my IM client) displays your Japanese correctly, wondering why iceweasel doesn't. |
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| 21:27.13 | adb | i copied that from my iceweasel client |
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| 21:27.37 | nsadmin | yoshio: just as a data point, I can see them also in this tezt/terminal-based irc client |
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| 21:28.43 | SirTopHat | so I guess it's impossible for iceweasel to view bmp images. fail |
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| 21:30.08 | themill | SirTopHat: works for me |
| 21:30.15 | Zharf | well, that was fun... some package (I suspect grub or kernel) had dug up an old version of my grub config and it didn't boot anymore :) |
| 21:30.15 | adb | here too |
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| 21:30.28 | yoshio | SirTopHat: I think you need the uid= parameter, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/samba-vfat-local-mount-for-all-user-write-access...-352552/?s=7cf97e383f0d50e0c62917d2c62d1758 |
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| 21:31.22 | macrobat | i see bmp in iceweasel |
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| 21:31.46 | macrobat | iceweasel-vimperator that is, i think it shouldnt matter |
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| 21:32.10 | SirTopHat | ok |
| 21:32.35 | macrobat | like: http://www.3drealms.com/zerohour/images/zhbackground.bmp |
| 21:32.50 | SirTopHat | oh nevermind |
| 21:32.56 | SirTopHat | something is wrong with theb mp file. |
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| 21:34.11 | adb | yoshio: my locale > http://paste.debian.net/38315/ , if that count |
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| 21:37.41 | yoshio | adb: locale -a shows C, en_US.utf8, ja_JP ja_JP.eucjp, ja_JP.ujis, ja_JP.utf8 japanese, japanese.euc POSIX |
| 21:38.15 | SirTopHat | I think iceweasel is having a severe problem. |
| 21:38.23 | SirTopHat | it can't upload files. |
| 21:38.44 | SirTopHat | I tried two sites and on one it uploaded as 0kb and one it said I didn't enter anything |
| 21:38.50 | sping | hello! for a package in debian "<section>/<package>" has to be unique in the tree, does "<package>" alone have to be unique too? |
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| 21:40.24 | adb | SirTopHat: try http://paste.debian.net http://paste.debian.net/38317/ |
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| 21:40.28 | yoshio | adb: I did "fc-cache -f -v" and "fc-cache update". I changed gnome preferences to use sazanami mincho, and typing "fc-match sans" shows that. I tried adding the localization package for Japanese iceweasel, but that didn't help either |
| 21:41.16 | SirTopHat | the problem is only with files |
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| 21:41.31 | SirTopHat | I see |
| 21:41.36 | SirTopHat | what you meanyt |
| 21:41.47 | JordiGH | How is Gnome 2.24 coming along? Aptitude wants to install it on my testing system, and I'm not sure if I should let it do it. |
| 21:41.48 | adb | yoshio: i don't have none of sazanami mincho or so and it work , so must be something els |
| 21:42.05 | SirTopHat | no didn't upload the file |
| 21:44.23 | SirTopHat | my redolution can only go up to 1024x768 but I know it's capable of much higher |
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| 21:47.30 | yoshio | adb: if you're not in iceweasel right now, can you type "FC_DEBUG=1 iceweasel" to see which font you're using? |
| 21:47.37 | adb | SirTopHat: see line 33 , or adapt all file conf.org > http://paste.debian.net/38320/ |
| 21:48.09 | yoshio | adb: I get family: "Sazanami Gothic"(w) "ãããªã¿ã´ã·ãã¯"(w) |
| 21:48.16 | ktlr | is there anyone who have used gparted ? if is then may i have some question ? |
| 21:48.21 | JordiGH | So is Gnome 2.24 working more or less ok? |
| 21:48.49 | yoshio | JordiGH: I'm using Testing squeeze, hadn't had problems upgrading |
| 21:49.01 | JordiGH | yoshio: Did the session thing get sorted out? |
| 21:49.39 | yoshio | JordiGH: oops, I'm using 2.26.1 Gnome Desktop |
| 21:49.49 | yoshio | JordiGH: what session thing? |
| 21:49.51 | JordiGH | yoshio: That's not in testing... |
| 21:50.03 | JordiGH | yoshio: They removed sessions from 2.24! I don't know if they put them back. |
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| 21:51.36 | yoshio | JordiGH: I seem to have a mix of 2.24 and 2.26, I should be on Squeeze, I have apt-pinning to squeeze |
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| 21:53.33 | kevin_w | fafa |
| 21:53.39 | JordiGH | yoshio: Hmm... I'm not sure I should upgrade. I'm pretty happy with how my system is working right now. I should have gone with stable. :-/ |
| 21:53.59 | MiGueLL_ | I need to install in Debian a library called libpq++ for postgresql How do i do it? anyone nows? |
| 21:54.03 | adb | yoshio: ah you right , i got it http://paste.debian.net/38322/ |
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| 21:54.45 | yoshio | MiGueLL_: type aptitude search libpq |
| 21:55.23 | JordiGH | !tell MiGueLL_ about info libpqxx-3.0 |
| 21:55.40 | JordiGH | !info libpqxx-3.0 |
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| 21:56.02 | MiGueLL_ | JordiGH yes |
| 21:56.04 | MiGueLL_ | you're right |
| 21:56.06 | MiGueLL_ | that's what I need |
| 21:56.14 | MiGueLL_ | but i don't know how make it |
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| 21:56.19 | themill | judd info libpqxx-3.0 |
| 21:56.20 | MiGueLL_ | my system is debian x86_64 |
| 21:56.23 | JordiGH | !info libpqxx-3.0 |
| 21:56.30 | JordiGH | Does not exist? |
| 21:56.38 | themill | judd info libpqxx-3.0 --release sid |
| 21:56.38 | judd | themill: libpqxx-3.0 (libs): is optional; Version: 3.0.0-3; Size: 203.7k; Installed: 460k -- C++ library to connect to PostgreSQL |
| 21:56.39 | MiGueLL_ | I guess it's 4.0 |
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| 21:56.48 | themill | judd versions libpqxx-3.0 |
| 21:56.49 | judd | themill: libpqxx-3.0 -- sid: 3.0.0-3 squeeze: 3.0.0-3 |
| 21:56.51 | JordiGH | MiGueLL_: You don't have to make it, it's already made. You just have to install it. |
| 21:57.00 | MiGueLL_ | JordiGH how? please |
| 21:57.00 | MiGueLL_ | ? |
| 21:57.02 | themill | squeeze/sid only, though |
| 21:57.18 | JordiGH | MiGueLL_: How do you install any other package? |
| 21:57.25 | MiGueLL_ | apt-get install |
| 21:57.30 | JordiGH | aptitude, but yes. |
| 21:57.34 | themill | MiGueLL_: lenny? |
| 21:57.42 | MiGueLL_ | wt? |
| 21:57.48 | JordiGH | wt? |
| 21:58.06 | nsadmin | you want to do c++ w/ postgres? |
| 21:58.12 | nsadmin | cool :) |
| 21:58.13 | yoshio | adb: under Best Score, there should be only one font listed, which is it for you? |
| 21:58.17 | themill | MiGueLL_: what version of debian are you using? (cat /etc/debian_version) |
| 21:58.35 | MiGueLL_ | root@noc:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:58.36 | MiGueLL_ | 5.0.1 |
| 21:59.13 | themill | MiGueLL_: that package doesn't exist for lenny. Try libpqxx-2.6.9ldbl instead |
| 21:59.17 | themill | judd versions libpqxx-2.6.9ldbl |
| 21:59.18 | judd | themill: libpqxx-2.6.9ldbl -- lenny: 2.6.9-8 sid: 2.6.9-9 squeeze: 2.6.9-9 |
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| 21:59.41 | JordiGH | Why is debian_version always squeeze/sid even if there isn't a single sid package on your system? |
| 22:00.04 | themill | dpkg: tell JordiGH about squeeze/sid |
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| 22:00.39 | MiGueLL_ | and that will work themill ? |
| 22:01.12 | nsadmin | you'd have to try it and see |
| 22:01.22 | themill | MiGueLL_: Depends what you are trying to do. If the code you are trying to write/compile uses features from version 3 of libpq++ then it won't. |
| 22:01.33 | nsadmin | you're writing a c++ program? |
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| 22:01.37 | MiGueLL_ | ok thanks.. also one more thing guys... how do I do to extract an .rar archive in my debian |
| 22:01.40 | MiGueLL_ | is there any way? |
| 22:01.52 | JordiGH | !tell MiGueLL_ about search |
| 22:01.57 | themill | That both the new and old versions of the library have been kept around at the same time indicates that the new one is not backwards compatible |
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| 22:02.33 | adb | yoshio: i can't see that to me http://paste.debian.net/38323/ |
| 22:02.53 | themill | MiGueLL_: If you find you need version 3 then you'll have to recompile it yourself. It's not that hard. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:03.04 | nsadmin | what pg version comes with version 3 of that lib come |
| 22:03.14 | nsadmin | oops, parse error... |
| 22:03.18 | nsadmin | what pg version comes with version 3 of that lib? |
| 22:03.32 | MiGueLL_ | ok themill thank you.. |
| 22:03.42 | MiGueLL_ | How do I extract a .rar archive? |
| 22:03.55 | JordiGH | MiGueLL_: SEARCH FOR IT |
| 22:03.58 | themill | nsadmin: the library isn't part of pg itself. It looks like it's a C++ wrapper on the C library |
| 22:04.04 | JordiGH | >:-/ |
| 22:04.05 | nsadmin | MiGueLL_: the bot told you how to search |
| 22:04.07 | MiGueLL_ | uhm.. |
| 22:04.07 | ajavid | hello guys |
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| 22:04.44 | nsadmin | uhm, yeah... you don't need a person to tell you when searching is so effective when you learn how |
| 22:05.09 | JordiGH | MiGueLL_: apt-cache search rar extract archive |
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| 22:05.31 | JordiGH | wonders if we'll ever see a free rar. |
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| 22:05.51 | MiGueLL_ | I did apt-get install unrar |
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| 22:06.04 | themill | judd versions unrar-free |
| 22:06.05 | judd | themill: unrar-free -- etch: 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 lenny: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1 sid: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1 squeeze: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1 |
| 22:06.05 | nsadmin | now you have a command called unrar |
| 22:06.08 | themill | JordiGH: ^^ |
| 22:06.12 | JordiGH | MiGueLL_: You should be using aptitude, but that's ok. |
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| 22:06.27 | JordiGH | themill: But doesn't unrar-free only work with a small fraction of rar files out there? |
| 22:06.31 | themill | yep |
| 22:06.35 | JordiGH | hates proprietary formats. |
| 22:06.39 | MiGueLL_ | I dont know so good how, it's my first time on Debian, before I was on Fedora, Centos, that's why I asking |
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| 22:07.12 | nsadmin | MiGueLL_: take a look at http://packages.debian.org |
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| 22:07.46 | yoshio | adb: I posted my "Best Score" output to your last paste, sorry for no word wrap |
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| 22:08.36 | yoshio | MiGueLL_: there is a package "unrar-free" |
| 22:08.54 | adb | where ? |
| 22:08.56 | JordiGH | There's also unrar, but that's in non-free. :-/ |
| 22:09.37 | yoshio | adb: http://paste.debian.net/38323/ |
| 22:09.40 | MiGueLL_ | I'm using unrar |
| 22:09.40 | MiGueLL_ | :D |
| 22:09.54 | MiGueLL_ | it's a so strange system |
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| 22:10.13 | nsadmin | you could get rar |
| 22:10.16 | JordiGH | doesn't get why the RAR format is proprietary. |
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| 22:10.20 | nsadmin | but it's probably in non-free |
| 22:10.27 | JordiGH | Nor why is it that Windowsists like it so much. |
| 22:10.48 | reeeeeesty | Can you use the i386 image to install on an amd64 system? |
| 22:10.53 | MiGueLL_ | I thought tar could extract an .rar archive too, isn't that true? |
| 22:10.57 | JordiGH | reeeeeesty: No. |
| 22:11.08 | reeeeeesty | the amd64 image is 64 bit? |
| 22:11.09 | nsadmin | MiGueLL_: no |
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| 22:11.13 | JordiGH | MiGueLL_: No, RAR is a non-free format. tar doesn't handle those. |
| 22:11.15 | themill | reeeeeesty: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:11.24 | reeeeeesty | install debian 32 bit on my amd |
| 22:11.32 | themill | reeeeeesty: should be fine. |
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| 22:11.42 | JordiGH | reeeeeesty: Oh, sorry, yes, you can install 32bit Debian on a 64bit system. |
| 22:11.55 | reeeeeesty | with the i386 cd right? |
| 22:11.59 | nsadmin | reeeeeesty: yes, you can use i386 image to install onto amd64 hardware |
| 22:12.01 | JordiGH | reeeeeesty: Yes. |
| 22:12.08 | reeeeeesty | alright, thanks. |
| 22:12.16 | nsadmin | you will get a 32 bit system |
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| 22:12.55 | kiddecks | how would running 32bit on 64bit benefit? |
| 22:13.35 | JordiGH | kiddecks: You can run zsnes natively! :D |
| 22:13.36 | nsadmin | whatever binary-only stuff has not been ported to 64b won't work |
| 22:13.50 | JordiGH | zsnes isn't binary only, just written in 32bit ASM. :-( |
| 22:13.58 | JordiGH | Which is almost as bad. |
| 22:14.10 | nsadmin | the effect is the same |
| 22:14.20 | JordiGH | Well, at least you have the "source"... |
| 22:14.38 | nsadmin | and therefore a chance to port it |
| 22:15.06 | nkuttler | any ideas why ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't kill x any more? |
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| 22:15.29 | JordiGH | nkuttler: Did you put something about zapping X in your xorg.conf? |
| 22:15.31 | gorb | anyone know if the eeprom problem in intel pro/1000 nics is resolved? |
| 22:15.33 | nsadmin | nkuttler: that key binding has been altered on your system? |
| 22:15.40 | JordiGH | nkuttler: Grep xorg.conf for "zap". |
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| 22:15.45 | nkuttler | nope, it's an automagic xorg config |
| 22:15.51 | sping | for a package in debian "<section>/<package>" has to be unique in the tree, does "<package>" alone have to be unique too? i cannot find that info in the debian policy |
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| 22:16.05 | JordiGH | nsadmin: Is it possible to alter that keybinding? I've been wanting to change that keybinding for a long time. I've zapped X accidentally from Emacs. :-/ |
| 22:16.11 | adb | yoshio: further i dunno, ;-( |
| 22:16.24 | JordiGH | sping: Are you packaging? |
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| 22:16.32 | nsadmin | sping: if it's not, then you have two packages with the same name |
| 22:16.37 | nsadmin | not good. |
| 22:16.37 | JordiGH | sping: But yes, <package> should be unique. |
| 22:16.38 | themill | sping: yes, "package" has to be unique |
| 22:16.47 | globul | hi |
| 22:17.07 | nsadmin | fly |
| 22:17.08 | globul | how to restore deleted file from gnometrash please ? |
| 22:17.18 | JordiGH | globul: Right-click, restore? |
| 22:17.38 | sping | JordiGH: themill: great, i hoped so. is there any place where that's set into stone that i could link to as a reference? |
| 22:17.54 | globul | no I don t have this funcionality |
| 22:18.05 | nsadmin | did you empty trash? |
| 22:18.34 | globul | yes |
| 22:18.41 | themill | sping: policy section 3.1 |
| 22:19.12 | nsadmin | then it's not possible using that method, you have to look into undelete for the file, which may or may not be possible |
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| 22:19.38 | nsadmin | and you either have to hurry or go to single-user mode ASAP |
| 22:19.42 | globul | where I find this folder please ? |
| 22:19.44 | JordiGH | undelete is generally impossible on ext3, which Debian uses by default. |
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| 22:19.57 | bronaugh | "impossible"? sorry, not really. |
| 22:20.01 | bronaugh | you can use debugfs to do it. |
| 22:20.07 | bronaugh | and if that fails you can use grep. |
| 22:20.19 | themill | bronaugh: i.e. generally impossible. |
| 22:20.20 | nsadmin | bronaugh: I did qualify the statement... reread |
| 22:20.35 | micols | how is it that you supply curl with a pass, is it not possible without a .netrc? (for host auth) |
| 22:20.35 | JordiGH | bronaugh: It's more trouble than coming to terms with your dearly departed data. |
| 22:20.36 | macrobat | JordiGH, nkuttler xorg.conf: Section ServerLayout; Option "DontZap" "False" EndSection |
| 22:21.03 | macrobat | oh, on 3 rows i mean |
| 22:21.08 | sping | themill: thank you, exactly what i needed |
| 22:21.13 | themill | np |
| 22:21.27 | JordiGH | macrobat: Uh, remove that thing. |
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| 22:21.37 | bronaugh | JordiGH: depends. |
| 22:21.41 | bronaugh | I've done it successfully a few times |
| 22:21.55 | macrobat | #comment out? |
| 22:21.59 | JordiGH | bronaugh: Stopped the disk, booted into single-user mode? |
| 22:22.09 | bronaugh | JordiGH: no, just stopped writing to that filesystem. |
| 22:22.09 | nsadmin | bronaugh: then you're up :) help the man :) |
| 22:22.12 | JordiGH | macrobat: Eh, if you want. I have no idea why it's there, but it's not useful. |
| 22:22.15 | nkuttler | macrobat: already tried that, still no go |
| 22:22.20 | bronaugh | and recovered to a separate FS |
| 22:22.34 | macrobat | i like to zap my X |
| 22:22.35 | bronaugh | so long as there are few writes going on and few that have happened since file deletion it's generally possible. |
| 22:22.43 | nkuttler | me too.. |
| 22:23.29 | JordiGH | macrobat: The default for that line is off. You don't need it. |
| 22:23.37 | globul | http://foremost.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:23.39 | macrobat | sry, dontzap was in ServerFlags |
| 22:23.45 | macrobat | I need it |
| 22:23.45 | sping | bronaugh: no idea who needs what here but i spotted "ext3" and "undelete". maybe this can help: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html |
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| 22:24.02 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:24.35 | jandruss | Hello everyone, I have accidentally deleted all the libraries ending in *.so.4 in /usr/lib/. Now my gnome session doesn't start at all, prompting several errors. Can anyone throw me some light on how to resolve this? Thank you. |
| 22:24.44 | macrobat | sometimes X locks up and killall X in a vc isnt very useful |
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| 22:25.01 | neko | hey sup |
| 22:25.27 | neko | so gonna use the http://goodbye-microsoft.com/download.html to install i'm thinking [cdrom is burnt] |
| 22:25.46 | JordiGH | jandruss: Install debsums... It'll help you figure out which packages are missing files. Once you have that list, aptitude reinstall the broken packages. |
| 22:25.48 | neko | considering going testing, been doing teh linux for a few good years, just curious as to _how_ broken testing is |
| 22:25.51 | macrobat | i havent learned enough emacs to accidentally zap X |
| 22:25.54 | neko | any major multimedia / audio bugs? |
| 22:26.12 | nkuttler | neko: yes |
| 22:26.13 | neko | using q6600 nvidia 8600gt 4gb ram |
| 22:26.19 | datenritter | hi! i think there is a bug in 2.6.26-2-xen-686's reiserfs. i tried to set the mtime of thousands of files on a reiserfs partition (which is on a raid5 array btw). the serverbox resets after 1000 to 7000 changes. |
| 22:26.23 | neko | nkuttler: linky? something to google offhand? |
| 22:26.25 | datenritter | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.39 | JordiGH | neko: Testing is generally good... it's about as stable as Ubuntu (meaning, not terribly stable, but functional if you don't mind the occasional bug). |
| 22:26.52 | neko | JordiGH: yeah thats basically how i was hoping |
| 22:26.53 | nkuttler | wow, ubuntu is _that_ broken? |
| 22:26.58 | neko | and no i dont mind fixing a few bugs |
| 22:27.00 | neko | nkuttler: yeah :D |
| 22:27.04 | neko | probably |
| 22:27.07 | datenritter | JordiGH: testing is not so stable. |
| 22:27.12 | neko | ok |
| 22:27.19 | neko | let me ask, what do you consider stable |
| 22:27.21 | JordiGH | nkuttler: Yes, Ubuntu is pretty unstable. Debian releases When It's Ready. Ubuntu releases When It's Not Ready. |
| 22:27.24 | datenritter | i had a LOT of trouble with testing |
| 22:27.28 | neko | i consider not needing to reboot till i need to stable |
| 22:27.53 | JordiGH | datenritter: That's what I said. |
| 22:27.53 | datenritter | i use it for desktop systems only, never again for servers |
| 22:27.53 | nsadmin | datenritter: what were you using? |
| 22:27.53 | neko | datenritter: on my desktop yeah lol |
| 22:27.53 | datenritter | samba failed to work very often in stable, so did courier-mta |
| 22:27.53 | neko | stable >> servers |
| 22:27.54 | themill | datenritter: err... we could have told you not to use testing on a server.... |
| 22:27.59 | neko | debian >>>>>>>>>>>>>. ubu 4 servers |
| 22:28.03 | SirTopHat | I set the permissions of my windows mount folder to 777 yet I still can't acess it from a regular user account. how can I give my regular account root powers? Not Sudo, I mean be bale to do root things from X, for example opening a root folder from a window by clicking it |
| 22:28.07 | macrobat | unstable has behaved for me for a couple of weeks |
| 22:28.12 | neko | says this after rolling out a few thousand of both |
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| 22:28.18 | neko | worked at a DC for a while :/ |
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| 22:28.39 | JordiGH | SirTopHat: Is your umask, gid, and uid being set correctly? |
| 22:28.44 | datenritter | themill: well, i had to find out the hard way. years ago, i needed some features, so i had to take packets from testing. it worked fine, but nowadays... stable is as good for my needs. |
| 22:28.58 | SirTopHat | I don't know what thet are JordiGH |
| 22:28.59 | SirTopHat | .-. |
| 22:29.25 | JordiGH | !mount ntfs |
| 22:29.25 | dpkg | mounting NTFS is `mount -t ntfs -o uid=<uid>,gid=<gid>,umask=003 /dev/<ntfs partition> /<mount point>' or adding '/dev/<ntfs partition> /<mount point> ntfs uid=<uid>,gid=<gid>,defaults,umask=003 0 0' to your /etc/fstab |
| 22:29.26 | jandruss | JordiGH: cheers, I'm already checking the files |
| 22:29.52 | themill | SirTopHat: let's rephrase this question -- it's not really about giving "root power" to your user is it? it's about mounting your filesystem correctly so that your regular user can access it |
| 22:30.00 | JordiGH | jandruss: Make sure you read the manpage for debsums... |
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| 22:30.12 | datenritter | btw, the above mentioned problem is a problem with debian's stable 2.6.26-2 kernel. |
| 22:30.14 | snitko | could you explain, what "! -f /var/run/nginx.pid ] || kill -USR1 `cat /var/run/nginx.pid`" line in logrotator conf means. It looks like it kills nginx after rotating the log... right? what's that for? |
| 22:30.14 | SirTopHat | yes |
| 22:30.17 | neko | ok sweet |
| 22:30.21 | macrobat | SirTopHat: you make a line in your /etc/fstab that tells how to mount your windows partition |
| 22:30.33 | neko | and how is gnome these days, still heavy as a rock? |
| 22:30.47 | SirTopHat | well actually it would be very convenient to let my user account have root powers. |
| 22:30.50 | neko | hasnt done desktop debian in 3 yrs >_< |
| 22:30.52 | JordiGH | neko: GNU screen is the only acceptable DE. |
| 22:31.05 | neko | lol? |
| 22:31.06 | SirTopHat | that way I could do everything with windows and not have to use the temrinal all the time |
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| 22:31.12 | datenritter | GNU screen is not a DE at all. |
| 22:31.12 | themill | SirTopHat: err... no. that's not really what you want |
| 22:31.14 | JordiGH | neko: lol indeed. |
| 22:31.21 | datenritter | its neither a D nor an E |
| 22:31.27 | neko | oh well i suppose i can figure how to uninstall if i break something :D |
| 22:31.31 | SirTopHat | yes it is |
| 22:31.45 | neko | any other opinions? gnome/kde/xfce? |
| 22:31.51 | datenritter | i use KDE, and i like it |
| 22:32.06 | JordiGH | datenritter: I guess I was being too generous in the definition of DE. Emacs is in fact the only acceptable DE. |
| 22:32.08 | datenritter | it's heavy, but if your box is fast enough, you get a lot of nice things |
| 22:32.26 | macrobat | i like xfwm better than metacity, i can do more things in it |
| 22:32.32 | datenritter | JordiGH: Emacs is too complicated to use. I use vim. |
| 22:32.34 | neko | datenritter: ive plenty of power - q66 8600gt 4gb ram audigy 2 sound |
| 22:32.42 | JordiGH | datenritter: I still haven't figured out how to wipe/yank in vim. |
| 22:32.49 | neko | i just really like fast and crispy |
| 22:32.55 | macrobat | i cant even get a decent font in emacs, so i don't use it |
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| 22:32.58 | neko | any options for toram booting? |
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| 22:33.00 | JordiGH | neko: tty1 should be good enough. |
| 22:33.01 | datenritter | neko: KDE is nice for a) people who come fromt he windows world and b) people who like to have some bells'n whistles |
| 22:33.24 | JordiGH | Has KDE 4 put back the only feature I really miss, sticky keyboard switching? |
| 22:33.26 | datenritter | JordiGH: v - visual mode -> marking. then press y to yank the marked area. |
| 22:33.28 | SirTopHat | "/dev/sda2 /windows2/ ntfs" what do I need to add to that |
| 22:33.30 | neko | datenritter: yeah i'm aware of that - i was just asking in regards to the last few times i tried debian was much crisper and faster than ubu |
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| 22:33.50 | neko | i've heard a lot of complaining about stuff getting depreciated in gnome for instance |
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| 22:34.02 | neko | looks to see kde version |
| 22:34.08 | themill | SirTopHat: check the last line dpkg said. You need uid, gid and umask entries there |
| 22:34.14 | datenritter | neko: actually i noticed kde is faster when i create a new user account... which is... disturbing... |
| 22:34.19 | JordiGH | neko: depreciated or deprecated? |
| 22:34.21 | datenritter | do not use kde4 |
| 22:34.24 | datenritter | it's not ready |
| 22:34.31 | SirTopHat | ok |
| 22:34.31 | datenritter | not even for testing |
| 22:34.38 | neko | datenritter: that was my main wonderings ok good |
| 22:35.07 | macrobat | SirTopHat: you need options, dump and pass columns |
| 22:35.13 | themill | SirTopHat: even better, /msg dpkg user accessible ntfs ; /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 22:35.17 | datenritter | maybe my original account is too old or has some stupid settings... like transparency or something... |
| 22:35.21 | SirTopHat | this is being extremeley annoying. my copy function won't work |
| 22:35.28 | neko | JordiGH: depreciated |
| 22:35.30 | datenritter | oh, and btw: konsole is a nice toy |
| 22:35.32 | macrobat | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.41 | JordiGH | neko: Meaning, losing value? Like what? |
| 22:35.42 | neko | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Adepreciated&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10 |
| 22:35.45 | datenritter | more comfortable than screen i guess, though it can't detach |
| 22:35.45 | macrobat | and dpkg knows about nice options |
| 22:35.50 | neko | JordiGH: also used in losing features |
| 22:35.57 | SirTopHat | well it is |
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| 22:36.24 | neko | tho the second is an interesting word i plan on keeping it for later use lol |
| 22:36.31 | JordiGH | neko: Oh, features=value to you. |
| 22:36.32 | datenritter | graphical consoles should be a BIOS function/capability |
| 22:36.32 | themill | SirTopHat: have you configured uid= gid= etc yet? |
| 22:37.00 | SirTopHat | I'm attempting it but I can't get xchat to copy the text |
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| 22:37.36 | MiGueLL_ | checking for libpq++.h... configure: error: Unable to find libpq++.h |
| 22:37.38 | MiGueLL_ | damn it... |
| 22:37.42 | macrobat | fallback on the old ctrl-c ctrl-v copypaste |
| 22:37.44 | themill | You can probably afford to type the 12 characters involved |
| 22:39.50 | SirTopHat | ADSFG. I have to type the whole thing in. d-mn-t! I hate typing out things Icould just copy paste |
| 22:40.59 | neko | default JordiGH features give choices. |
| 22:40.59 | macrobat | how do i change fonts in emacs? shift+leftclick doesnt do anything |
| 22:40.59 | themill | MiGueLL_: there's no such file anywhere in debian |
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| 22:40.59 | SirTopHat | ok then. what to I replace uid and gid with? |
| 22:41.04 | MiGueLL_ | so what could i do? |
| 22:41.17 | datenritter | macrobat: you have to study computer science and learn lisp. ;) |
| 22:41.39 | macrobat | i did like 2 weeks of scheme in 1997 |
| 22:42.04 | datenritter | SirTopHat: write uid=x and gid=y with x beeing the users uid and y the gid |
| 22:42.07 | macrobat | i havent really used emacs in this millenium |
| 22:42.17 | neko | weeeeeeeeeeeeee here we go ;) |
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| 22:42.22 | datenritter | the user who is supposed to be able to access the ntfs mount |
| 22:42.31 | SirTopHat | why can't debian automate these things? why can't it do it through windows like every other nin linux operating system? no, it requires all this redundant text file editing and terminal commands |
| 22:42.36 | datenritter | *vim* ------ ninja ------- *vim* |
| 22:42.36 | SirTopHat | ok ty |
| 22:42.54 | SirTopHat | do you mean literally gid=y |
| 22:43.15 | datenritter | SirTopHat: debian does a lot of things automagically, it just doesn't take away control from the user |
| 22:43.24 | themill | SirTopHat: submit patches! btw less whinging == more help |
| 22:43.27 | datenritter | yes, literally e.g. gid=1001 |
| 22:43.33 | macrobat | SirTopHat: its fast and easy when you know |
| 22:43.40 | SirTopHat | meh. |
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| 22:44.05 | datenritter | well, editing text file sis the way to go, even on other distros |
| 22:44.32 | datenritter | there are just no GUIs for stuff like bind9 or samba (at least none that don't suck) |
| 22:44.49 | macrobat | cheer up SirTopHat. have an emoticon :D |
| 22:44.54 | SirTopHat | lol |
| 22:44.56 | datenritter | :) |
| 22:45.03 | SirTopHat | what do I put for gid, then, just y? |
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| 22:45.20 | danilom | hi, is there some protocol like SPICE, RDP ver 7, or another in open source or avaiable in linux, to access Virtual Machines¿ |
| 22:46.39 | macrobat | SirTopHat: to see your uid and gid you can do ls -l in a folder you own |
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| 22:47.05 | datenritter | SirTopHat: no, y is to be replaced with a real gid (group id), i.e. a NUMBER |
| 22:47.47 | SirTopHat | ls -l just gave my filesize numbers, no gid numbers |
| 22:47.50 | macrobat | oh, whats the letter to put behind - to show number?, eh! |
| 22:48.00 | datenritter | ls -liah |
| 22:48.01 | macrobat | sry, i forgot :) |
| 22:48.32 | datenritter | try l and ll |
| 22:48.39 | datenritter | maybe you hav aliases |
| 22:48.50 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.50 | datenritter | or just check /etc/passwd and /etc/group |
| 22:49.03 | SirTopHat | none of those gave me a group number |
| 22:49.07 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.14 | SirTopHat | group id |
| 22:49.16 | MiGueLL_ | themill so I can't do nothing for install libpq on my x86_64 debian? |
| 22:49.20 | macrobat | ls -ln probably 1000: 1000 |
| 22:49.40 | macrobat | first is uid, then gid |
| 22:49.47 | SirTopHat | none of this gives me that, |
| 22:49.56 | SirTopHat | oh I see it now. |
| 22:49.57 | adb | SirTopHat: id |
| 22:50.02 | SirTopHat | it's 1000:1000 |
| 22:50.05 | datenritter | arrg, sry, my fault |
| 22:50.16 | SirTopHat | it's next to files |
| 22:50.21 | datenritter | i would usually grep the username in /etc/passwd... |
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| 22:51.16 | themill | MiGueLL_: you probably need to go back to whatever it is you're compiling and find out what it is it needs. What are you compiling? |
| 22:51.20 | yoshio | MiGueLL_: what does "apt-cache search libpq" give you? you can type "apt-cache show xxxx" where xxxx is the package name to see a description |
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| 22:52.28 | tomIndoze | hi all, i hav one Q to devs : how can i create one symlink ? i tried ln -s band%20-%20album%20-%20song.mp3 , but not success.I have clean tags and filenames = band - album - song. With band_album_song have not troubles, but i dont have such filenames for my mp3archiv |
| 22:53.09 | abrotman | maybe you should try quoting it instead of using goofy HTML encodings |
| 22:53.13 | jelly-home | tomIndoze: devs of what? |
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| 22:54.43 | macrobat | ln -s target linkname |
| 22:54.58 | datenritter | tomIndoze: do you really want a symlink? maybe you should just rename the file. amarok can to that for you (using data from the id3 tags) btw. |
| 22:55.33 | tomIndoze | i know maybe now insted %20 = <tab> or mayb \ |
| 22:55.34 | macrobat | kid3 is easy to use |
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| 22:56.04 | jelly-home | tomIndoze: use the actual filename, but enclose it in "" |
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| 22:56.37 | SirTopHat | is "/dev/sda2 /windows2/ ntfs uid=kurt,gid=1000s and not re,defaults,umash=003 0 0" valid |
| 22:56.43 | SirTopHat | wait |
| 22:56.46 | SirTopHat | wrong paste |
| 22:56.48 | SirTopHat | damnit |
| 22:56.49 | SirTopHat | my life |
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| 22:56.57 | jelly-home | you mash? |
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| 22:57.28 | jelly-home | SirTopHat: "umask" |
| 22:57.31 | SirTopHat | /dev/sda2 /windows2/ ntfs uid=kurt,gid=1000,defaults,umash=003 0 0 |
| 22:57.37 | SirTopHat | ok |
| 22:57.39 | SirTopHat | agh |
| 22:57.55 | SirTopHat | this is because xchat fails so much it can't even copy text off the screen |
| 22:58.21 | jelly-home | SirTopHat, also, argument to uid= should probably be numeric as well |
| 22:58.44 | macrobat | idk, i can copy&paste to and from my xchat |
| 22:58.55 | SirTopHat | but that's supposed to be a user |
| 22:59.06 | jelly-home | SirTopHat: and that user has an uid. |
| 22:59.13 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.23 | jelly-home | SirTopHat: "id username" |
| 22:59.47 | SirTopHat | so both the uid and gid should be 1000 |
| 22:59.59 | adb | ,umash=003 ??? |
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| 23:00.29 | macrobat | i should install my xp so i can go through this also :) |
| 23:00.30 | SirTopHat | it was supposed to be mask |
| 23:00.46 | jelly-home | SirTopHat: actual values for your system will depend on the order the users have been added |
| 23:01.10 | SirTopHat | I don't have any users besides the ones made by the installer |
| 23:01.44 | jelly-home | nevertheless, use id to figure out the numeric value. |
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| 23:01.58 | neko | weeeeeeee |
| 23:02.02 | SirTopHat | I'll see if this works |
| 23:02.25 | neko | bug #1 no kernel modules found - looks like a network problem b/c halfway through dling the packages its all ... some package doesnt dl etc lol |
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| 23:02.36 | neko | yay :> |
| 23:02.59 | neko | now trys normal mode |
| 23:03.12 | SirTopHat | it can open in a window now but there's still no write permissions |
| 23:03.18 | adb | neko: uname -r ? |
| 23:03.29 | neko | adb: windows >> linux installer |
| 23:03.36 | neko | was trying testing - expert mode |
| 23:03.38 | jelly-home | SirTopHat: that's expected, kernel ntfs driver doesn't do write. |
| 23:03.41 | neko | now doing just defaults |
| 23:03.44 | neko | bbiab! |
| 23:03.49 | jelly-home | !tell SirTopHat -about ntfsrw |
| 23:04.02 | neko | !ntfsrw |
| 23:04.03 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also #508982 in the <BTS>). See also <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 23:04.03 | SirTopHat | I have a thing that lets it have read/write though |
| 23:04.11 | neko | ah yeah ntfs-3g is pretty good |
| 23:04.11 | SirTopHat | I got it a month ago or soemthing |
| 23:04.13 | jelly-home | SirTopHat: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
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| 23:04.34 | SirTopHat | ntfs-3g I'm near sure I installed |
| 23:05.26 | jelly-home | SirTopHat: you might try using it, then |
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| 23:06.17 | SirTopHat | so then I just wasted 20 minutes of my time on this rediculous nonsense |
| 23:06.30 | abrotman | ridiculous |
| 23:07.22 | simonrvn | near sure isn't sure |
| 23:07.29 | simonrvn | it's like a half-assed sure |
| 23:07.33 | SirTopHat | how do I check if it's there |
| 23:07.53 | simonrvn | RTFM: man dpkg |
| 23:07.57 | macrobat | SirTopHat: ntfs-3g in a terminal |
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| 23:08.28 | SirTopHat | no devices specified |
| 23:08.36 | jelly-home | SirTopHat: what are you really trying to do? |
| 23:08.53 | macrobat | you have it installed, good |
| 23:08.56 | SirTopHat | read/write to my windows partition from a window and not temrinal |
| 23:09.02 | simonrvn | h4xx0ring h1s ntfs partition |
| 23:09.14 | macrobat | use nautilus on it? |
| 23:09.21 | jelly-home | SirTopHat: from a "window"? |
| 23:09.38 | SirTopHat | icons, clicking |
| 23:09.46 | macrobat | clicking an icon on his desktop |
| 23:09.47 | jelly-home | SirTopHat: what's the difference? |
| 23:09.51 | simonrvn | beats SirTopHat over the head with xterm and bash |
| 23:10.03 | macrobat | dont bash the newb |
| 23:10.04 | SirTopHat | it's just easier and faster |
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| 23:10.45 | jelly-home | SirTopHat: I mean, if you're accessing the same namespace, it doesn't matter whether you're using a graphical file browser or a shell. |
| 23:11.09 | SirTopHat | graphic browsers go much faster and efficiently for me |
| 23:11.19 | macrobat | what happens if you do: mount /dev/sda2 |
| 23:11.25 | themill | jelly-home: in SirTopHat-world, "shell" == as root; "graphical file browser" == as regular user. |
| 23:11.39 | airbender | SirTopHat, then just use nautilus |
| 23:11.54 | SirTopHat | nautilus? |
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| 23:12.06 | macrobat | the file manager in gnome is nautilus |
| 23:12.14 | SirTopHat | one great solution would be if I could log into X as root but that's specifically disallowed by it. |
| 23:12.18 | SirTopHat | -.- |
| 23:12.29 | macrobat | i assume you use gnome, SirTopHat ? |
| 23:12.40 | SirTopHat | yeah |
| 23:12.45 | themill | SirTopHat: for good reason. |
| 23:12.59 | airbender | SirTopHat, 1. modify your /etc/fstab and tell the system what to mount 2. launch nautilus under gnome to use the NTFS partition |
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| 23:13.06 | macrobat | you dont have to, you can use a file manager to access your windows partition |
| 23:13.20 | themill | SirTopHat: now perhaps we can get back to you actually doing the things that people are suggesting rather than rambling about doing nothing? |
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| 23:13.29 | SirTopHat | oh nautilus worked |
| 23:13.30 | macrobat | :) |
| 23:13.40 | macrobat | tada! |
| 23:13.45 | SirTopHat | themill, I've been doing everything |
| 23:14.00 | SirTopHat | this is the first thing that really worked. |
| 23:14.00 | themill | right... |
| 23:14.08 | simonrvn | wanders off |
| 23:14.38 | streuner_ | well, yesterday there were a vote in .de |
| 23:14.49 | SirTopHat | I wish someone would have suggested nautilus in the first place |
| 23:14.57 | streuner_ | ECHAN |
| 23:15.06 | jelly-home | !spank streuner_ |
| 23:15.06 | dpkg | bends streuner_ over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 23:15.19 | streuner_ | !blairsmite jelly-home |
| 23:15.19 | dpkg | spins jelly-home at 3000000000 rpm, while telling him that Wales could attack within 30 minutes repeatedly. |
| 23:15.20 | themill | SirTopHat: what *were* you using? |
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| 23:15.37 | SirTopHat | what was I using? |
| 23:15.49 | jelly-home | weeds. |
| 23:15.58 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 23:16.28 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps who is the webdav/dav guru I need a momemnt of your time, I need to secure my root directory please.. |
| 23:16.30 | macrobat | he had to edit fstab 1st in order to use nautilus on the windows partition |
| 23:16.34 | bbelt16ag | I will ports the pastebin on sec. |
| 23:16.48 | SirTopHat | if someone was logged onto my ftp I would see them with the users command right |
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| 23:18.15 | bbelt16ag | http://pastebin.ca/1451268 |
| 23:18.16 | SirTopHat | would I |
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| 23:18.29 | themill | SirTopHat: TIAS |
| 23:18.39 | SirTopHat | command not found |
| 23:18.42 | jelly-home | !tias |
| 23:18.42 | dpkg | well, tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first. |
| 23:18.54 | SirTopHat | I did it. |
| 23:19.12 | SirTopHat | someone claims they're in my laptop with ftp, someone I know, but I only see myself. |
| 23:20.14 | abrotman | see .. i told you |
| 23:20.29 | SirTopHat | no nevermind, they meant my files on another ftp server. |
| 23:21.30 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
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| 23:23.59 | bbelt16ag | help? |
| 23:24.11 | macrobat | how can i access bookmarks, history and tab complete addresses in vimperator? I do ":bmarks" and get a long list, but i can't access an item. |
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| 23:25.24 | theclaw | hi |
| 23:25.26 | MiGueLL_ | checking for libpq++.h... configure: error: Unable to find libpq++.h --> uhm, I have installed all pg libraries, all development tools, and it's still asking me about this libpq++.h ... |
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| 23:26.20 | theclaw | filefrag -v outputs lines like "Discontinuity: Block 29239 is at 10462951 (was 10462935)" - what does this "was X" mean? |
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| 23:27.33 | themill | MiGueLL_: [23:51] <themill> MiGueLL_: you probably need to go back to whatever it is you're compiling and find out what it is it needs. What are you compiling? |
| 23:27.51 | MiGueLL_ | themill , gnuworld |
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| 23:29.58 | castingcrowns | Ayone know of a system log that would give me insight into what is causing my computer to hangup...hard reset required. I think its my video card getting to warm, but its only at 60C which is warm, but it should not be life threatning |
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| 23:30.44 | Polarina | castingcrowns: Corrupted memory? |
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| 23:31.59 | castingcrowns | Polarina: Not a clue. I have nvidia and looking at there temp sensor, it shows gpu at around 60C. I put fans on it and it lowers to 45C and never hangs...take fans off, and it climbs to 60C, but sometimes will run fine, others hang. Not sure what is going on. |
| 23:32.36 | bbelt16ag | question peeps... |
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| 23:32.55 | abrotman | castingcrowns: can you ssh in ? |
| 23:33.02 | bbelt16ag | is there a with .htacess to limit connections to my root webpage dir I got specified in webdav config? |
| 23:33.04 | Polarina | castingcrowns: That temperature is still far from critical. |
| 23:33.08 | bbelt16ag | like to a ip addy would be fine |
| 23:33.22 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: ask #apache .. but i believe so |
| 23:33.31 | bbelt16ag | no one there.. |
| 23:33.42 | castingcrowns | abrotman: No, the system completely stops responding...well actually, I dont really know if ssh is possible, but I loose mouse and keyboard |
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| 23:34.07 | castingcrowns | Polarina: yeah, thats why im not sure whats going on. Im thinking maybe its a mobo issue, but I havent a clue |
| 23:34.18 | abrotman | castingcrowns: you mean you lose mouse and keyboard in X ? |
| 23:34.37 | themill | MiGueLL_: it seems that postgresql-dev used to contain that file as a symlink to some other header. It was removed from the package 7 years ago. (Are you sure you want to run stuff that is so badly maintained that it hadn't been able to compile for years?) |
| 23:34.51 | castingcrowns | abrotman: well I cant get to tty1 or any others |
| 23:35.17 | yoshio | MiGueLL_: I went to packages.debian.org, told it to find the file libpq++.h for stable and unstable, and the file is not found. what software are you compiling? |
| 23:35.23 | abrotman | castingcrowns: you mean you lose mouse and keyboard in X ? :) |
| 23:35.44 | abrotman | castingcrowns: that's why i'm asking if you can still ssh into the system .. did you try checking your Xorg.0.log ? |
| 23:36.08 | neko | yey |
| 23:36.14 | castingcrowns | Ill give it a look to see if there is something in there. |
| 23:36.20 | neko | well i must have not loaded a few drivers i needed to the first time |
| 23:36.52 | neko | i thought for some reason it would just share the partition with windows, but i got to resize and partition and everything; so far awesome \o/ |
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| 23:38.57 | abrotman | you might also wnat to try not using hte nvidia binary driver |
| 23:39.24 | MiGueLL_ | yoshio , gnuworld irc services... it works via postgresql, and it needs libpq++.h to make connection the bot irc service with postgresql |
| 23:39.39 | MiGueLL_ | And I have this file in .tar.gz but it's only for 32bits distributions |
| 23:39.48 | MiGueLL_ | and my distribution is debian 64bits |
| 23:40.00 | MiGueLL_ | it's not working, gives an error to me when trying to install |
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| 23:41.50 | biglink | when you refer to a unicode character with a \x sequence what is that called? |
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| 23:42.08 | MiGueLL_ | pgconnection.o: could not read symbols: Bad value |
| 23:42.12 | MiGueLL_ | /usr/bin/ld.real: pgconnection.o: relocation R_X86_64_32S against `vtable for PgConnection' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC |
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| 23:45.53 | yoshio | MiGueLL_: http://www.quotesdb.info/freenode/debian/15May2006/24.html says that libpq++ is extremely outdated, maybe your copy of gnuworld is extremely outdated also? |
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| 23:47.29 | tj83 | Nat_RH, you know me? "TJ" |
| 23:47.33 | MiGueLL_ | I guess that's becouse before , some mounths ago they was using postgresql-7.2.4 but now they passed to 8.1.17 maybe that's the wrong... |
| 23:47.34 | bododo | ho folks! |
| 23:48.14 | neko | holy shit this is AWESOME |
| 23:48.20 | bododo | call me an idiot. I just deleted accidently a bash script that took me some 3 days to write and tune. The eternal question: how can I recover ir, please? |
| 23:48.28 | neko | lenny is really smooth so far; good work ;) |
| 23:48.35 | bododo | I haven't created (me, the user) any file since then |
| 23:48.49 | abrotman | from your backup ? |
| 23:48.50 | bododo | my /home is an ext3 |
| 23:49.04 | bododo | abrotman: I don't have backup for this file |
| 23:49.10 | bododo | thus, I'm an idiot |
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| 23:50.21 | MiGueLL_ | yoshio , themill , may I give you a ling where you may get libpq++.tar.gz which works on 32 bits and you extract it and try to look what is it doing on the x86_64 system? I mean you are coders, maybe you know to do anything for be abble to compile it on a 64 bits too.. |
| 23:50.21 | bododo | the script I deleted is still running, but I doubt that this could be helpful |
| 23:50.24 | abrotman | !tell bododo about undelete |
| 23:50.29 | abrotman | but basically .. you're likely screwed |
| 23:50.39 | bododo | yeah, I bet so :( |
| 23:50.51 | bododo | !tell me about undelete |
| 23:50.58 | bododo | yo! bot! |
| 23:51.03 | themill | !ext3grep |
| 23:51.03 | dpkg | it has been said that ext3grep is a tool to assist in recovering deleted files from an <ext3> filesystem. http://code.google.com/p/ext3grep/ Packaged for Debian since Lenny. |
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| 23:51.26 | bigbearomaha | 896, wow |
| 23:51.29 | bododo | I'm on lenny so I can just apt-get it? |
| 23:51.34 | bigbearomaha | atsa lotta users here |
| 23:51.35 | nsadmin | bododo: also you can: /msg dpkg undelete |
| 23:51.51 | bododo | thanks nsadmin ! |
| 23:52.07 | abrotman | themill: i thought that was pretty iffy also |
| 23:52.28 | themill | it is. It's about as good as grepping /dev/sd?? |
| 23:52.28 | nsadmin | and you can do things like... /msg dpkg listkeys <whatever> |
| 23:53.04 | SirTopHat | does anyone else ever have trouble understanding man files and have to google for tutorials |
| 23:53.29 | abrotman | don't yoiu think that depends on the man page ? |
| 23:53.35 | bigbearomaha | some man files just aren't written very well |
| 23:53.47 | nsadmin | SirTopHat: absolutely. reading reference documentation is a skill that you gain by working through it |
| 23:55.07 | themill | s/reference documentation// |
| 23:55.53 | nsadmin | you have a good point, but I do mean that reference docs require particular skills that go on top of reading |
| 23:56.34 | bigbearomaha | searching requies a certain amount of experience as well |
| 23:56.45 | themill | absolutely, but the usual problem is either "TLDR" or "CBF reading" or "I just want the quick fix" or a variant. |
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| 23:57.07 | bigbearomaha | while one would think a 'plain language' search in a forum or even google would get you what you are looking for right off, often there is more to it |
| 23:57.25 | nsadmin | I don't know either of those acronyms |
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| 23:58.17 | nsadmin | bigbearomaha: which is why it's worth your time to practice |
| 23:58.22 | themill | "too long, didn't read". "can't be f'd" |
| 23:58.25 | bigbearomaha | always |
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| 23:59.20 | neko | http://www.googleguide.com/ <<-- |
| 23:59.28 | bigbearomaha | it;'s not too often anymore that Ican't find what I am looking for |
| 23:59.38 | neko | between that and how to ask a question most are simply avoided |
| 23:59.46 | bigbearomaha | but I see a lot of folks in forums just lost as a pup |
