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| 00:02.07 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | where can i find enlightenment 17 ? i tried using deb http://www.edevelop.org/debian unstable main .. no go |
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| 00:03.33 | initq | allo allo |
| 00:03.49 | castingcrowns | abrotman: well, I looked at the log file Xorg.0.log and I dont see anything strange...here is the url if you wana take a look at it :http://pastebin.ca/1451304 |
| 00:04.21 | SirTopHat | apparently .tar.gz isn't usable on debian, which format is |
| 00:05.15 | abrotman | castingcrowns: first .. you might want to `update-pciids` .. secondly .. did you try seeing if it locks up with the vesa driver? |
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| 00:05.58 | castingcrowns | abrotman: not sure what update-pciids is, but I didnt think about the vesa driver. |
| 00:06.03 | yoshio | MiGueLL_: http://www.gnuworld.org/gnuworld-setup/?s=4#faq3 -- FAQ on "I get this error: checking for libpq++.h... configure: error: Unable to find PostGreSQL" |
| 00:06.14 | betz | Hi! I would like to install windows in a virtual machine. But i have to do it by command line, what do you advice me to use? |
| 00:06.17 | nsadmin | SirTopHat: sure it is. you can use gzip and tar to extract those. |
| 00:06.31 | SirTopHat | I mean as a package for installing |
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| 00:06.49 | SirTopHat | dpkg states it's not a valid debian format |
| 00:06.50 | dpkg | SirTopHat: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 00:06.51 | nsadmin | then you'd be untarring source to build yourself |
| 00:06.58 | bigbearomaha | tar files are usable on any Linux version |
| 00:07.14 | nsadmin | no, you don't install .tar.gz directly using dpkg |
| 00:07.25 | nsadmin | you use the underlying tools to build them |
| 00:07.35 | SirTopHat | then there's two more, do I get the YUM or the RPM |
| 00:07.42 | SirTopHat | oh |
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| 00:07.46 | bigbearomaha | you use tar command to 'unzip' tar files |
| 00:07.51 | themill | SirTopHat: or better, use aptitude |
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| 00:08.12 | MiGueLL_ | yoshio I'm pretty sure I installed postgresql. 8.1.17 it's now running. |
| 00:08.35 | MiGueLL_ | 27545 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -S -B 64 -N 32 -i -D /usr/local/pgsql/data -o -F |
| 00:08.35 | MiGueLL_ | 27547 ? S 0:00 postgres: writer process |
| 00:08.42 | nsadmin | MiGueLL_: so you can connect to it using psql? |
| 00:08.44 | xiq | hez, is there a waz to change the kezboard lazout_ I use deb with xfce, and if I change it in the options, nothing happens |
| 00:08.51 | xiq | oh |
| 00:09.12 | nsadmin | MiGueLL_: so you've built your own postgres |
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| 00:09.24 | MiGueLL_ | yes, I just installed it newly it on a debian system |
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| 00:09.29 | MiGueLL_ | becouse before i was using centos |
| 00:09.31 | MiGueLL_ | 32bits |
| 00:09.43 | MiGueLL_ | and.. I restored my old db, everything gone perfectly |
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| 00:10.01 | MiGueLL_ | but now appears that libpq++.h when trying to compile gnuworld/X service |
| 00:10.11 | xiq | its reallz frustating me because I need the szstem for programming... |
| 00:11.32 | adb | setxkbmap us ? |
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| 00:12.06 | xiq | ahh finally, thank you :) |
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| 00:12.23 | adb | np |
| 00:13.58 | SirTopHat | I tried aptitude install then the filename, after reading the man for aptitude, and then aptitude stated it couldn't find "any package or discription" matching it |
| 00:14.03 | macrobat | SirTopHat: you use sudo aptitude install to install stuff. or get the .deb file |
| 00:14.22 | bigbearomaha | or |
| 00:14.22 | macrobat | aptitude search |
| 00:14.29 | SirTopHat | I don't need sude because I'm root |
| 00:14.30 | bigbearomaha | you can use apt-get install filename |
| 00:14.33 | bigbearomaha | thatwill do it to |
| 00:14.38 | SirTopHat | agh. ok |
| 00:14.55 | macrobat | aptitude vs apt-get flamewar! |
| 00:15.03 | bigbearomaha | not even |
| 00:15.08 | macrobat | ok |
| 00:15.17 | bigbearomaha | I just offer solutions |
| 00:15.24 | bigbearomaha | it's up to them to use them or not |
| 00:15.35 | nsadmin | dpkg, start a barbie war! |
| 00:15.35 | dpkg | starting a barbie war is HARD! |
| 00:15.40 | bigbearomaha | lol |
| 00:15.44 | bigbearomaha | well |
| 00:15.48 | bigbearomaha | your in a debian place |
| 00:15.52 | SirTopHat | something is seriousley wrong with my debian right now. the copy function on Xchat and the terminal doesn't work. |
| 00:15.52 | bigbearomaha | shouldn't be too hard |
| 00:15.56 | SirTopHat | neither one. |
| 00:16.01 | macrobat | anyway aptitude search dont need sudo |
| 00:16.14 | bigbearomaha | only unless you have sudo installed |
| 00:16.24 | macrobat | does your middle mouse button work, SirTopHat ? |
| 00:16.31 | SirTopHat | don't have one |
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| 00:16.35 | yoshio | xiq: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg - I think this allows you to choose the keyboard layout |
| 00:16.53 | macrobat | what do you paste with? |
| 00:16.55 | bigbearomaha | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.07 | bigbearomaha | I can't use mouse button copy/paste either |
| 00:17.18 | yoshio | SirTopHat: if you click on the left/right mouse buttons at the same time, that emulates the middle button |
| 00:17.20 | bigbearomaha | use ctrl-c and ctrl-v on keyboard instead |
| 00:17.29 | SirTopHat | ok, just I did apt-get install /home/kurt/Desktop/insteall_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz then it said it couldn't find the package. |
| 00:17.35 | macrobat | i can copy&paste, mostly |
| 00:17.35 | orochi_ | i'm a bit confused about eglibc...how will compiling (say) a 32-bit binary in Debian with eglibc affect it's ability to run in Ubuntu or another distribution that doesn't use it? |
| 00:17.38 | yoshio | SirTopHat: well, if you set up X that way, which I think is the default |
| 00:17.39 | bigbearomaha | no no |
| 00:17.50 | SirTopHat | install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz* |
| 00:17.56 | bigbearomaha | you don't use that for tar file |
| 00:18.01 | macrobat | no, thats not right |
| 00:18.11 | SirTopHat | then why did you tell me to do that |
| 00:18.13 | bigbearomaha | you have to know where the tar file is located, then wget it from there |
| 00:18.28 | macrobat | he has already dl:ed it |
| 00:18.31 | bigbearomaha | once it is downloaded, you use tar -flags filename |
| 00:18.35 | bigbearomaha | type man tar |
| 00:18.41 | SirTopHat | "unsupported scheme" |
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| 00:19.01 | bigbearomaha | I thought you were past the tar file issue |
| 00:19.05 | bigbearomaha | and on to something new |
| 00:19.24 | bigbearomaha | use the tar command to open the tar file |
| 00:19.26 | SirTopHat | if debian doesn't support installing flash player just say it now |
| 00:19.31 | bigbearomaha | lol |
| 00:19.37 | macrobat | tar xvzf flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz |
| 00:19.42 | bigbearomaha | thank you |
| 00:19.44 | SirTopHat | ok |
| 00:19.47 | nsadmin | I'm running flash without problems |
| 00:20.03 | macrobat | or whatever its called, then untar it again |
| 00:20.09 | bigbearomaha | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.44 | macrobat | tar xf flash....blabla |
| 00:21.02 | SirTopHat | so then it gave me three directories. |
| 00:21.06 | macrobat | then you copy it to the right folder |
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| 00:21.13 | SirTopHat | what do I do with it now |
| 00:21.29 | bigbearomaha | juggle it? |
| 00:21.36 | bigbearomaha | j/k |
| 00:21.53 | macrobat | first: are you on 64bit debian, SirTopHat ? |
| 00:21.55 | SirTopHat | has quit IRC (no route to host) |
| 00:21.59 | bigbearomaha | why not just install it from the repo instead? |
| 00:22.02 | SirTopHat | jk |
| 00:22.03 | SirTopHat | 32 |
| 00:22.08 | macrobat | flash10 is newer |
| 00:22.18 | SirTopHat | I tried it |
| 00:22.22 | SirTopHat | it couldn't find it. |
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| 00:22.36 | bigbearomaha | then you need to get it from a different repo |
| 00:22.37 | bigbearomaha | hold on |
| 00:22.49 | SirTopHat | I tried apt-get install flash, apt-get install adobe flash, macromedia flash, etc |
| 00:22.51 | SirTopHat | k |
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| 00:23.07 | yoshio | MiGueLL_: did you get the latest CVS version of gnuworld? |
| 00:23.12 | macrobat | you have to use the exact pkg name |
| 00:23.29 | macrobat | but you can use the flash you have dl:ed |
| 00:23.41 | macrobat | have you unpacked it? |
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| 00:23.49 | MiGueLL_ | yoshio no, wait, I will try to update it now. |
| 00:24.02 | bigbearomaha | http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-adobe-flash-in-debian-etchlennysid.html |
| 00:24.07 | bigbearomaha | try that link tophat |
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| 00:24.46 | macrobat | he just has to unpack it and copy it to a folder |
| 00:24.55 | bigbearomaha | you are correct |
| 00:24.58 | nsadmin | SirTopHat: it's starting to sound like you don't like debian that much... which is perfectly ok... you should run what you want |
| 00:25.10 | sladi | SirTopHat: You can use apt-cache search flash |
| 00:25.12 | MiGueLL_ | gnuworld@noc:~/gnuworld$ cvs update -d |
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| 00:25.12 | MiGueLL_ | -su: cvs: command not found |
| 00:25.16 | SirTopHat | ok |
| 00:25.16 | MiGueLL_ | I need to install cvs? |
| 00:25.28 | nsadmin | do you want cvs? |
| 00:25.33 | SirTopHat | the only reason I'm using debian is because windows crashes too much |
| 00:25.53 | nsadmin | so what would you prefer to run? |
| 00:26.05 | SirTopHat | debain for now until I fix windows |
| 00:26.06 | macrobat | he will enjoy debian so much when he can boast he has installed flash |
| 00:26.10 | pl4yer0ne | re: flash why not use the .deb ? |
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| 00:26.25 | bigbearomaha | that link will get you flash from the repo |
| 00:26.31 | bigbearomaha | easy peasy install bubba |
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| 00:26.47 | SirTopHat | ok, mozilla-plugin-gnash looks like the one for iceweasel |
| 00:26.54 | nsadmin | SirTopHat: you may have noticed... linux and debian are a completely different world... |
| 00:27.01 | bigbearomaha | ? |
| 00:27.05 | bigbearomaha | uh |
| 00:27.07 | SirTopHat | debian is a distrobution of linux |
| 00:27.18 | bigbearomaha | I tihkn he meant windows and debian |
| 00:27.30 | nsadmin | you're not paying for the os for one thing, |
| 00:27.50 | nsadmin | and people who work on it are mostly volunteers |
| 00:28.06 | SirTopHat | I know |
| 00:28.17 | nsadmin | and as you might imagine, that gives you more responsibility |
| 00:28.27 | nsadmin | which comes with more freedom |
| 00:28.44 | SirTopHat | right |
| 00:29.00 | SirTopHat | it's annoying though when it takes me all day to learn how to do something I used to be able to do in 5 seconds |
| 00:29.18 | nsadmin | once you learn, you'll be able to do that in 5 secs too |
| 00:29.26 | nsadmin | or however long it takes |
| 00:29.27 | yoshio | MiGueLL_: because if you are on Postgresql 8.x, you won't |
| 00:29.42 | nsadmin | that's the responsibility part, you have to learn things |
| 00:29.45 | SirTopHat | windows has installing .exe files, debian needs a whole dpkg extracting process. .-. |
| 00:29.56 | SirTopHat | so debian is always going to be longer. |
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| 00:30.09 | bigbearomaha | debian is not hard if you know where to look for help |
| 00:30.21 | bigbearomaha | what is your intent on using Linux? |
| 00:30.23 | SirTopHat | I try man files first then google then #debian |
| 00:30.29 | bigbearomaha | for a business or school related purpose? |
| 00:30.46 | SirTopHat | replacing windows really because I got sick of windows |
| 00:30.52 | bigbearomaha | home use then |
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| 00:32.20 | macrobat | SirTopHat: you have the tar.gz flash file right? |
| 00:32.25 | SirTopHat | yes |
| 00:32.34 | nsadmin | SirTopHat: well that logic doesn't always follow (windows exe/debian dpkg does not imply debian will be longer) |
| 00:32.35 | macrobat | AND YOU ARE IN THAT FOLDER? |
| 00:32.41 | macrobat | Tsry, caps |
| 00:33.21 | SirTopHat | in what folder |
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| 00:34.26 | SirTopHat | nsadmin, what takes longer, a double click or ten command lines? debian is slower because of that |
| 00:34.34 | macrobat | in the terminal, go to the folder where you have the tar.gz |
| 00:34.42 | SirTopHat | ok |
| 00:34.43 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.02 | macrobat | cmd can be copied and pasted or put ion a script |
| 00:35.02 | SirTopHat | I'm in the install flash player directory |
| 00:35.30 | SirTopHat | I've tried learning scripts and it got too hard after basic math programs. |
| 00:35.51 | nsadmin | SirTopHat: which brings us back full circle... I've noticed you may not like debian so much... |
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| 00:36.16 | bigbearomaha | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.16 | SirTopHat | I don't like certain aspects of the programs contained within it |
| 00:36.32 | bigbearomaha | Linux is so much more than debian |
| 00:36.45 | bigbearomaha | some distros are geared right at the home user |
| 00:37.00 | bigbearomaha | where , in my opinion, debian is geared more to the DIY crowd |
| 00:37.08 | SirTopHat | maybe I should get ubuntu then |
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| 00:37.24 | bigbearomaha | buntu |
| 00:37.26 | bigbearomaha | or pclos |
| 00:37.32 | macrobat | so, is it the Adobe Flash Player version 10.0.22.87 for Linux |
| 00:37.37 | bigbearomaha | or even sabayon is a good new to linux place |
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| 00:37.42 | nsadmin | bigbearomaha: not so sure of that these days... debian has 10s of thousands of packages covering most of what's out there, when it started out as a base distribution |
| 00:37.55 | bigbearomaha | yes |
| 00:38.18 | bigbearomaha | but if you don't know what you're looking for, wading through all those pkgs ca nbe a bit daunting for the new to linux user |
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| 00:38.23 | nsadmin | one thing is for sure: you have to know shit :) |
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| 00:38.45 | abrotman | doesn't know anything |
| 00:38.46 | nsadmin | daunting and overwhelming, yes. |
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| 00:38.58 | bigbearomaha | it's all good |
| 00:39.06 | bigbearomaha | as long as it's linux your in a good place |
| 00:39.13 | misreckoning | how smart, or stupid, it is to add "sid" repository to a veeeery stable and fine working Lenny, in order *only* to upgrade gparted and required dependencies? (libc6 for example, which worries me) |
| 00:39.30 | bigbearomaha | it's not about being smart or stupid |
| 00:39.37 | SirTopHat | this started today, trying to view a youtube video in iceweasel. it told me Ineeded flash player and gave a link to the adobe site. I downloaded that and since then I've tried atleast five things to get it installed and it seems overwhelimg sometimes to do even the most simple tasks in debian |
| 00:39.43 | nsadmin | well I can't totally agree with that either, it's up to the person what he runs |
| 00:39.49 | bigbearomaha | it's about being familiar with terms and placement |
| 00:39.56 | macrobat | so its: tar xvzf flash_blablablalinux.tar.gz |
| 00:40.15 | macrobat | then tar xf flash....blabla |
| 00:40.15 | abrotman | if you tell him to use the 'dmm' repo,he can just install it as a package |
| 00:40.16 | nsadmin | misreckoning: things won't work well if you do that... you can try compiling things from sid |
| 00:40.54 | pl4yer0ne | or use the .deb that adobe bakes |
| 00:41.05 | macrobat | then: mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins to make a folder for it |
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| 00:41.07 | nsadmin | that's a good thought... |
| 00:41.17 | nsadmin | baked adobe... mmm, good cracker! |
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| 00:41.31 | misreckoning | nsadmin: aha, good, thanks for the info, tell me if you can, is it less "error prone" if I do it from "testing", or is it "problematic" (unstable) only because libc6 is required? |
| 00:41.34 | macrobat | then: cp libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins |
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| 00:41.39 | macrobat | done |
| 00:41.40 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there guys ...i need a good C++ IDE ...what i get ? |
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| 00:41.56 | macrobat | like 25 secs |
| 00:42.07 | SirTopHat | I have the install flash player directory and I'm inside it, what do I do now |
| 00:42.08 | misreckoning | for example, I've upgraded "alsa" that way and it worked |
| 00:42.17 | pl4yer0ne | cobra-the-joker, from most accounts visual studio is pretty good =D |
| 00:42.27 | misreckoning | but I don't want to play too much with testing/unstable repos because *this* installation of Lenny works *perfect* |
| 00:42.29 | macrobat | cobra-the-joker code::blocks, but its not in repos |
| 00:42.43 | nsadmin | misreckoning: stable is a stationary target, unstable and testing are moving targets... the answer to your question changes daily |
| 00:42.48 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: anjuta |
| 00:42.53 | macrobat | SirTopHat: scrol up :) |
| 00:43.07 | cobra-the-joker | anjuta ?? ...ok |
| 00:43.16 | misreckoning | nsadmin: in that case, I will try "good ol' ./configure && make && make install" :) |
| 00:43.31 | yoshio | cobra-the-joker: I typed "aptitude search openoffice", saw that "openoffice.org2" has a "v" in front, so I guess that is a virtual package - install the non "2" openoffice package |
| 00:43.47 | nsadmin | misreckoning: you can also try building packages |
| 00:43.51 | neko | omfg this is indeed good. had trouble with nvidia and then noticed i had the older kernel's module loaded lol.... enabled, added multimedia and a few packages and oh oh so SMOOOOTH |
| 00:43.58 | cobra-the-joker | org2 is a fake image of org |
| 00:44.05 | cobra-the-joker | i tried it that morning |
| 00:44.17 | misreckoning | nsadmin: for testing, what would be the "deb" line (deb-src... how is it going?) |
| 00:44.30 | misreckoning | OK don't tell me, I'll google it... |
| 00:44.48 | SirTopHat | I read up and didn't see it |
| 00:44.49 | nsadmin | misreckoning: just add -src to an existing testing line (or squeeze) |
| 00:45.01 | macrobat | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.09 | abrotman | if you tell him to use the 'dmm' repo,he can just install it as a package |
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| 00:45.23 | bigbearomaha | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.28 | misreckoning | nsadmin: thanks, you are faster than google :) really thanks, I've never done this before, I'm looking forward to it :D |
| 00:45.30 | SirTopHat | ok |
| 00:45.35 | SirTopHat | that's what I did |
| 00:45.42 | bigbearomaha | ok |
| 00:45.49 | SirTopHat | now I'm in the folder named install flash dfgswfa |
| 00:46.07 | bigbearomaha | then |
| 00:46.15 | macrobat | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.19 | nsadmin | replaces google and directs all the income at his bank account!! |
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| 00:47.13 | SirTopHat | neither of the files in there are a tar archive |
| 00:47.37 | macrobat | is there a libflashplayer.so? |
| 00:47.56 | SirTopHat | yes |
| 00:47.59 | abrotman | macrobat: just tell him to use the freaking dmm repo already .. he's obviously not well versed in basic linux commands |
| 00:48.03 | nsadmin | that's the plaer |
| 00:48.14 | SirTopHat | so then how do I install it |
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| 00:48.54 | nsadmin | it's a good idea to pursue what abrotman is saying |
| 00:49.11 | nsadmin | it will keep things a bit more stable and predictable |
| 00:49.13 | abrotman | and everyone send me beer! |
| 00:49.13 | macrobat | scroll up or enable the debian-multimedia repo, you probably want it anyway |
| 00:49.35 | nsadmin | abrotman: then you'll know even less than nothign tho! |
| 00:49.52 | yoshio | SirTopHat: there is a package called flashplugin-nonfree, it downloads flash from adobe and installs it for you. I think I tried something like that, didn't work for me years ago, so I always grabbed it manually |
| 00:49.55 | nsadmin | !dmm |
| 00:49.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 00:50.05 | nsadmin | !dmm lenny |
| 00:50.05 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 00:51.04 | nsadmin | there, that last one is what you should try first |
| 00:51.07 | yoshio | !beer abrotman |
| 00:51.07 | dpkg | pulls out a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for abrotman |
| 00:51.13 | MiGueLL_ | yoshio I got the last version, but I have another problems, where can I past them? |
| 00:51.14 | SirTopHat | ok |
| 00:51.16 | abrotman | yay!!!! |
| 00:52.05 | nsadmin | then you should be able to install it as a package |
| 00:52.07 | yoshio | MiGueLL_: before recompiling, do a "make clean", then recompile |
| 00:52.13 | SirTopHat | I'm getting tired tonight, can you give me the specific commands for it? |
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| 00:52.22 | nsadmin | they're right there |
| 00:52.24 | abrotman | the bot just spit them all out .. are you even reading? |
| 00:52.38 | SirTopHat | I read it all |
| 00:52.55 | nsadmin | then you misinterpreted it possibly? |
| 00:53.17 | MiGueLL_ | ok yoshio , let see. |
| 00:53.19 | SirTopHat | is it one of the dmm commands |
| 00:53.44 | yoshio | SirTopHat: do a "apt-cache show flashplugin-nonfree", and if the package exists for you, then do "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" |
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| 00:54.01 | macrobat | the one that starts with "echo "deb........" |
| 00:54.10 | SirTopHat | ok thanks yoshio |
| 00:54.32 | nsadmin | be careful with spaces, enter it exactly |
| 00:54.33 | abrotman | yoshio: why would you do that? |
| 00:54.34 | yoshio | SirTopHat: but since you un'tarred the files, follow macrobat's instructions, |
| 00:54.40 | abrotman | holy crap STOP STOP |
| 00:54.56 | macrobat | decide on one thing, dont do both |
| 00:54.57 | abrotman | you've all given him five different methods .. and the guy obviously can't handle basic commands |
| 00:55.10 | macrobat | you are right, abrotman |
| 00:55.12 | abrotman | the dmm is probably the easiest way for him to do it, and all the commands are 20 lines up |
| 00:55.20 | yoshio | abrotman: I always install flash manually from the tar file myself, but the package could be easier for SirTopHat |
| 00:55.31 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 00:55.31 | nsadmin | I'll split em up for him |
| 00:55.36 | MiGueLL_ | pgsqlDB.cc:32:22: error: libpq-fe.h: No such file or directory |
| 00:55.41 | MiGueLL_ | and all errors begins here. |
| 00:55.42 | MiGueLL_ | :D |
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| 00:55.59 | SirTopHat | can't handle basic commands? I've been here trying this all day, doing exactly what people say to and having problems with it then I need clarification on one thing and you try to say Idon't understand basic commands? |
| 00:55.59 | MiGueLL_ | again that's .h |
| 00:56.01 | MiGueLL_ | rrrrrrrrrr |
| 00:56.08 | nsadmin | echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:56.17 | nsadmin | aptitude update |
| 00:56.33 | nsadmin | aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring |
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| 00:56.36 | adb | MiGueLL_: install libpq-dev |
| 00:56.45 | SirTopHat | how about if someone from nasa came up to you and asked you to build a rocket? would you be able to do it without learning about it first? how about if you had ten people surrounding you shouting different methods at the same time? |
| 00:56.47 | abrotman | gives nsadmin the && |
| 00:56.55 | nsadmin | aptitude update (yes, -again- after the keyring) |
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| 00:57.15 | abrotman | SirTopHat: which is why i'm telling them to give you the *easiest* method .. |
| 00:57.42 | MiGueLL_ | libpq-dev is already the newest version. |
| 00:57.42 | MiGueLL_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 00:57.51 | nsadmin | SirTopHat: start by running those commands |
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| 00:58.51 | adb | MiGueLL_: libpq-dev has /usr/include/postgresql/libpq-fe.h |
| 00:58.51 | MiGueLL_ | where can I paste one log? |
| 00:58.51 | nsadmin | SirTopHat: when they're done, you have added the debian multimedia archive to your pile of available packages |
| 00:59.26 | SirTopHat | ok |
| 00:59.42 | nsadmin | let us know when that's done |
| 00:59.46 | MiGueLL_ | Setting up locate (4.4.0-2) ... |
| 00:59.47 | MiGueLL_ | root@noc:/var/gnuworld/libpq++-4.0# locate libpq-fe.h |
| 00:59.47 | MiGueLL_ | root@noc:/var/gnuworld/libpq++-4.0# |
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| 00:59.55 | TCW | re |
| 00:59.57 | MiGueLL_ | the system can't locate it adb |
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| 01:00.20 | nsadmin | MiGueLL_: dpkg -S libpq-fe.h |
| 01:00.33 | yoshio | MiGueLL_: I installed a package called "apt-file". once this is installed, and after I do an "apt-get update", I type "apt-file update", then if I want to find the debian package that contains libpq-fe.h, I type "apt-file search libpq-fe.h", and it spits out "libpq-dev: /usr/include/postgresql/libpq-fe.h", so you want the "libpq-dev" package. don't know why it's already the newest version for you - are you using an old version of debian? |
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| 01:00.57 | Gateway | hello |
| 01:01.01 | nsadmin | I thought he said he's running etch |
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| 01:01.16 | nsadmin | arguello |
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| 01:01.40 | MiGueLL_ | yoshio |
| 01:01.41 | MiGueLL_ | root@noc:/var/gnuworld/libpq++-4.0# cat /etc/issue |
| 01:01.41 | MiGueLL_ | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
| 01:01.51 | TCW | I am a bit lost with ati r5xx card, free drivers (radeon used right now), dri / direct rendering / 3D on sid... xrandr does work (DualHead setup) like a charm, but the rest does not. Even XVideo does not work, it should work with r5xx chips, not? |
| 01:02.01 | MiGueLL_ | root@noc:/var/gnuworld/libpq++-4.0# dpkg -S libpq-fe.h |
| 01:02.01 | MiGueLL_ | libpq-dev: /usr/include/postgresql/libpq-fe.h |
| 01:02.05 | yoshio | MiGueLL_: after installing new packges, you would need to run updatedb to update the locate's database |
| 01:02.16 | Gateway | I need help in ndiswrapper issue |
| 01:02.25 | nsadmin | MiGueLL_: so it's installed |
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| 01:02.52 | Gateway | I installed it but when I set modprobe ndiswrapper it return an error message which says " FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. " |
| 01:02.53 | MiGueLL_ | yes, yoshio now locate see it too... then why gnuworld won't see it? |
| 01:03.13 | nsadmin | you have to tell gnuworld where is the includes |
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| 01:03.21 | nsadmin | in the configure step |
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| 01:03.26 | yoshio | MiGueLL_: did yu do a "make clean"? |
| 01:03.50 | Gateway | or should I return to windows ? :) |
| 01:03.54 | MiGueLL_ | yes I got so so much errors with pg.db but I need to paste them |
| 01:04.01 | MiGueLL_ | to paste bin or anywhere.. |
| 01:04.05 | nsadmin | Gateway: you can if you want to |
| 01:04.10 | SirTopHat | ok, it installed the keyring |
| 01:04.15 | Gateway | I don't like it anyway |
| 01:04.34 | nsadmin | ok, did you do update again? |
| 01:04.42 | mdg | Gateway: try "lsmod" and see if ndiswrapper is listed |
| 01:04.54 | abrotman | Gateway: for which wireless device? |
| 01:04.58 | SirTopHat | I did the update before I instealled the keyring |
| 01:05.20 | nsadmin | did you notice there were some errors involving the key? |
| 01:05.33 | abrotman | and di dyou notice he told you to do it again after installation? |
| 01:05.35 | Gateway | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:05.48 | SirTopHat | there was something about untrusted packages |
| 01:05.53 | SirTopHat | I just let it do it anyway |
| 01:05.55 | nsadmin | ok, right. |
| 01:06.09 | mdg | Gateway: what does "lspci" show |
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| 01:06.25 | yoshio | Gateway: there is no kernel module named "ndiswrapper" - I cd'd to /lib/modules, and typed "find . -name ndis\*" |
| 01:06.26 | nsadmin | so try running the update again, so it will this time incorporate the keys you installed |
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| 01:06.51 | nsadmin | you should note the errors go away |
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| 01:08.11 | Gateway | mdg, it shows many things... so I do " lspci | grep -i network " and it returns " 02:03.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05) " |
| 01:08.52 | mdg | Gateway: what does "lsmod" show? |
| 01:09.22 | yoshio | MiGueLL_: type "./configure --help", I think that will list what options are available. nsadmin suggested adding the path to the libpq-fe.h include directory, that may be an option |
| 01:09.54 | nsadmin | also possible, is you can tell the configure step where pg_config is |
| 01:09.56 | mdg | Gateway: any activity with the lights on the card? |
| 01:10.07 | abrotman | Gateway: you don't need ndiswrapper for that |
| 01:10.12 | abrotman | !tell Gateway about ipw2200 |
| 01:10.18 | mroe | any idea how to tell what version of forcedeth is in the various kernels? |
| 01:10.20 | cobra-the-joker | anjuta not what i wanted .... i want a C++ IDE where i can compile and run programms |
| 01:10.25 | abrotman | you can |
| 01:10.38 | Gateway | abrotman, I have this one installed " ipw2200 " |
| 01:10.40 | nsadmin | mroe: you'd hve to look at each kernel |
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| 01:10.51 | cobra-the-joker | i cant see anything |
| 01:11.01 | nsadmin | open eyes |
| 01:11.03 | mdg | Gateway: Do an "ifconfig" and see if you have wlan? |
| 01:11.06 | mroe | nsadmin, ok... I did a modinfo on my running kernel and didn't see a version number |
| 01:11.11 | abrotman | Gateway: did you install the firmware it needs ? |
| 01:11.23 | Gateway | mdg, I don't have wlan |
| 01:11.41 | Gateway | abrotman, I'm a french one so what does firmware mean ? |
| 01:11.42 | Gateway | :s |
| 01:11.47 | nsadmin | mroe: do you have its source laying around? |
| 01:11.50 | Gateway | sorry for disturbing you all :s |
| 01:11.52 | mroe | no |
| 01:11.54 | SirTopHat | well I did get errors this time |
| 01:12.18 | nsadmin | SirTopHat: same errors? different? |
| 01:12.20 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , really ...its very annoying |
| 01:12.26 | mdg | Gateway: you just have etho0? |
| 01:12.26 | adb | !tell Gateway about firmware |
| 01:12.51 | SirTopHat | and I can't copy them into pastebin because the Terminal isn't working with the right click copy thing |
| 01:12.51 | mdg | !firmware |
| 01:12.52 | dpkg | Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some non-free firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>. |
| 01:12.53 | MiGueLL_ | yoshio , nsadmin look here guys please, we need to find somethink out, I pasted all the log entire : http://pastebin.ca/1451345 |
| 01:12.58 | SirTopHat | and it's errors about a missing keyring |
| 01:13.10 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: i'm just saying it does what you want |
| 01:13.33 | TCW | One after the other, first the most anoying thing, xv: xvinfo says "no adaptors present", if I grep XVideo in Xorg.0.log I see it is loaded, any idea? ati, r5xx, foss driver (radeon), sid current. |
| 01:14.06 | nsadmin | mdg: if you ever want dpkg to /msg you its replies all you have to do is /msg it |
| 01:14.23 | mdg | Gateway: you have ipw200 listed in lsmod right? |
| 01:14.36 | abrotman | or iwlwifi |
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| 01:14.42 | adb | SirTopHat: left* click copy things in terminal |
| 01:15.04 | SirTopHat | ? |
| 01:15.21 | adb | you said right click |
| 01:15.25 | SirTopHat | that doesn't do anything either |
| 01:15.28 | SirTopHat | left clicking |
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| 01:15.58 | SirTopHat | well it sais to run apt get update so I'll do that |
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| 01:16.27 | adb | left clicking + moving mouse highlight things to copy |
| 01:16.36 | Drakeson` | does "aptitude changelog SOME-PACKAGE" work? |
| 01:16.50 | SirTopHat | I highlight it and then I right click and copy or go to edit - copy but neither works |
| 01:16.54 | SirTopHat | it used to but not now |
| 01:18.04 | adb | middle click to paste |
| 01:18.48 | SirTopHat | that pastes google.com |
| 01:18.49 | SirTopHat | o.- |
| 01:18.54 | SirTopHat | not what I copied |
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| 01:20.03 | SirTopHat | why has this taken well over an hour? |
| 01:20.10 | yoshio | MiGueLL_: you don't want to use libpq++ -- that's obsolete. you want libpqxx-dev instead for C++, or libpq-dev for C |
| 01:20.49 | MiGueLL_ | well when I had installed libpq++ it worked really fine |
| 01:20.52 | mdg | Gateway: your aweful quiet |
| 01:20.52 | MiGueLL_ | no problems yoshio |
| 01:20.58 | MiGueLL_ | in fact that is the problem here |
| 01:21.03 | MiGueLL_ | no suth libpq++ for Debian |
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| 01:24.52 | SirTopHat | if I install this keyring can iceweasel use flash? |
| 01:24.58 | macrobat | SirTopHat: you don't have a middle mouse button? |
| 01:25.00 | macrobat | yes |
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| 01:25.14 | Gateway | mdg, yes |
| 01:25.20 | SirTopHat | no I don't but apparently left and right at oncei s the same |
| 01:25.21 | Gateway | I have ipw200 listed |
| 01:25.46 | macrobat | after you have installed the flashplugin-nonfree pkg |
| 01:25.56 | Gateway | I have ipw2200 listed |
| 01:26.48 | Gateway | thanks guys |
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| 01:27.09 | macrobat | have you done the second aptitude update? |
| 01:27.11 | yoshio | MiGueLL_: you wrote "That's why this libpq++-4.0 is for 32 bits system. My debian is 64 bits system. Before Debian I had Centos 32 bits and it worked perfectly. But on debian 64 I can't. Is there any solution to make that libpq++ compatible with debian 64 bits?" -- you can't - just install libpqxx-dev, and you should be able to compile. libpq++ is for Postgresql 7.x, 8.x I bet wants libpqxx-dev |
| 01:27.47 | macrobat | both mouse buttons simultaneously should paste what was highlited |
| 01:27.49 | MiGueLL_ | uhm... |
| 01:27.55 | SirTopHat | same thing about a public key |
| 01:28.06 | MiGueLL_ | yoshio right... I have the last ideea then. Reinstall the version 8 |
| 01:28.13 | MiGueLL_ | and go to version 7 of postgres |
| 01:28.21 | MiGueLL_ | if that will not work.. that damned. |
| 01:28.26 | MiGueLL_ | need to change the os. |
| 01:28.39 | macrobat | and you answered yes to installing the key? |
| 01:28.47 | SirTopHat | yes |
| 01:29.01 | adb | install debian-archive-keyring |
| 01:29.29 | SirTopHat | missing destination file operand |
| 01:29.31 | SirTopHat | after it |
| 01:29.33 | SirTopHat | apparently |
| 01:29.41 | bigbearomaha | anyone familiar with the BEL Project here? |
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| 01:30.13 | adb | SirTopHat: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 01:30.26 | abrotman | it's the dmm key |
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| 01:30.54 | adb | he has still errors |
| 01:31.30 | abrotman | did you ask which key is the error ? |
| 01:31.36 | SirTopHat | gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found |
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| 01:34.47 | yoshio | SirTopHat: do a "sudo apt-key list" - do you see someone with an email address marillat@xxx? |
| 01:35.08 | abrotman | oh jeez .. and what if he hasn't configured sudo ? |
| 01:35.25 | SirTopHat | I don't use sudo |
| 01:35.43 | SirTopHat | there's two marillat's |
| 01:36.41 | abrotman | so which key isn't trusted ? |
| 01:36.56 | abrotman | have you run `apt-get update && aptitude update` ? |
| 01:37.23 | SirTopHat | yes |
| 01:37.24 | SirTopHat | both |
| 01:37.29 | SirTopHat | none of them were trusted |
| 01:37.36 | SirTopHat | can I just make it use an untrusted one then |
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| 01:38.58 | abrotman | yes you can |
| 01:39.03 | yoshio | SirTopHat: strange, when I do an "apt-key list", it lists everything in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg, should be trusted already |
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| 01:41.00 | bookmark | hi, i noticed that when i was installing debian it did detect my wifi card as well as my hardline card but would only let me configure one at that point in time, is there another way to detect the drivers and configure the wifi now that I am rolling? |
| 01:42.04 | yoshio | MiGueLL_: did you do "./configure --help" to see if you can specify include directories? |
| 01:42.54 | MiGueLL_ | no I did |
| 01:42.56 | MiGueLL_ | male clean install |
| 01:43.00 | MiGueLL_ | make* |
| 01:43.01 | MiGueLL_ | :) |
| 01:43.15 | sylar | is it possible to shrink the partition that is alocated to a physical volume of an LVM? |
| 01:43.32 | liable | bookmark: go back and configure it, why would you do that though? (and netcfg can only do open or wep btw) |
| 01:44.10 | bookmark | The resize2fs program will resize ext2 or ext3 file systems. It can be used to enlarge or shrink an unmounted file system located on device. |
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| 01:44.56 | bookmark | liable what? i mean my card drivers did not get installed. the wifi card drivers |
| 01:45.01 | abrotman | bookmark: man 5 interfaces |
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| 01:45.29 | yoshio | MiGueLL_: do "./configure --help", it should tell you how to specify where the libpq header files live |
| 01:45.32 | liable | bookmark: if they were in the installer, then they would be in the installed system. |
| 01:45.41 | sylar | bookmark, but I want to shrink a pv of lvm not a file system |
| 01:45.53 | sylar | bookmark, I can shrink the file system and the lv |
| 01:46.13 | bookmark | ah, no, you see liable: what happened is this, when i was installing it listed them both but it had an X that could only put next to one of them |
| 01:46.32 | bookmark | so i installed my land line card because i think it works faster than wifi sometimes. |
| 01:47.01 | liable | huh? |
| 01:47.04 | yoshio | bookmark: does "lspic" list your wireless device? if so, does "iwconfig" list it, or does "ifconfig -a" list it? |
| 01:47.16 | bookmark | in the debian installation liable! |
| 01:47.31 | SirTopHat | have I even made any progress today on installing flash |
| 01:47.33 | SirTopHat | any |
| 01:47.34 | bookmark | it detected both cards but only asked if i wanted to install and configure one of them |
| 01:47.35 | SirTopHat | at all |
| 01:47.38 | liable | bookmark: do as yoshio says, does it show in 'ifconfig -a' |
| 01:47.38 | SirTopHat | even slightly |
| 01:48.22 | yoshio | bookmark: in the installer, I think you can open a console window by ALT-F2, and type commands |
| 01:48.29 | bookmark | i get eth0 lo wlan0 and wmaster0 |
| 01:48.31 | bookmark | what does it mean? |
| 01:49.07 | SirTopHat | apparently all I had to do was copt the .so file to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
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| 01:49.20 | yoshio | bookmark: wlan0 is wireless, do you have the "iwconfig" command? |
| 01:49.23 | liable | bookmark: it means you have the driver for the card, you just need to configure it |
| 01:49.26 | Tramp | sylar: there is "pvresize" - not, that I ever tried it. As the manpage says, it will refuse to shrink a PV if extents of it are already allocated |
| 01:49.42 | SirTopHat | why didn't anybody say that |
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| 01:49.53 | sylar | hmm |
| 01:49.57 | bigbearomaha | um |
| 01:50.05 | Tramp | sylar: or rather extents which are "past the new end" |
| 01:50.09 | nsadmin | that! |
| 01:50.11 | bigbearomaha | he didn't just ask that seriously did he? |
| 01:50.26 | yoshio | SirTopHat: macrobat said that |
| 01:50.27 | sylar | ok |
| 01:50.28 | bookmark | yoshio: that is a big N O on the iwconfig |
| 01:50.59 | SirTopHat | no he didn't |
| 01:50.59 | SirTopHat | .-. |
| 01:50.59 | bigbearomaha | lol |
| 01:50.59 | abrotman | you couldn't do the tar ? |
| 01:50.59 | nsadmin | SirTopHat: anyway that's what the package install does for you |
| 01:51.00 | macrobat | "then: cp libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins" |
| 01:51.11 | abrotman | SirTopHat: the package is better for a few reasons |
| 01:51.16 | SirTopHat | well there was too fast of a scroll rate for me to see it |
| 01:51.19 | bookmark | you might jsut have to make a plugins directory, sometimes its just not present |
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| 01:52.06 | macrobat | the package gets updated, thats a good thing |
| 01:52.07 | nsadmin | SirTopHat: and this whole session is good for the reason you learned a few things |
| 01:52.24 | SirTopHat | ok then |
| 01:52.34 | SirTopHat | mkdir: cannot create directory: no usch directory |
| 01:52.35 | bookmark | ill brb |
| 01:52.36 | SirTopHat | ... ... ... |
| 01:52.52 | nsadmin | SirTopHat: next step on your learning path... look around at the dirs off / |
| 01:52.55 | yoshio | bookmark: put "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" and "wireless_mode managed" and "wireless_essid any" in /etc/network/interfaces (type "man 5 interfaces" as abrotman said to see syntax and examples) |
| 01:52.56 | nsadmin | see what's there |
| 01:53.28 | SirTopHat | is /usr supposed to mean /home/kurt |
| 01:53.44 | SirTopHat | oh it's in / |
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| 01:53.53 | nsadmin | take a look in /usr |
| 01:53.57 | nsadmin | see what's there |
| 01:54.12 | nsadmin | also take a look in /home |
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| 01:54.46 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 01:54.46 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 01:55.19 | nsadmin | which is one hell of a lot of work |
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| 01:55.42 | nsadmin | about 2-3 semesters worth, but it's worth it |
| 01:55.54 | cire | has there been a change with custom dsdt in 2.6.29? reading out /proc/acpi/dsdt and disassembling it shows me the original one, not the modified included in initramfs... |
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| 01:57.05 | SirTopHat | even after I copied the file to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 01:57.16 | SirTopHat | I still can't do flash in iceweasel |
| 01:57.30 | nsadmin | SirTopHat: about:plugins |
| 01:57.33 | yoshio | SirTopHat: you need to restart the browser |
| 01:57.35 | nsadmin | see if it's there |
| 01:57.40 | SirTopHat | I did restart it |
| 01:58.10 | nsadmin | SirTopHat: about:plugins |
| 01:58.14 | SirTopHat | agh |
| 01:58.16 | SirTopHat | fine |
| 01:58.24 | SirTopHat | !dpkg plugins |
| 01:58.40 | SirTopHat | !dpkg about:plugins |
| 01:58.40 | nsadmin | nono, type that into your browser |
| 01:58.49 | nsadmin | in the address bar |
| 01:58.51 | yoshio | SirTopHat: did you put it into /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins ? |
| 01:59.02 | SirTopHat | ... |
| 01:59.09 | SirTopHat | no |
| 01:59.11 | SirTopHat | I did mozilla |
| 01:59.17 | abrotman | yoshio: the mozilla directory shuld be fine |
| 02:00.00 | abrotman | he probably has gnash or something installed .. and he now needs to configure the update-alternatives .. (which i think the package from dmm does for you) |
| 02:00.00 | SirTopHat | it's there now |
| 02:00.01 | SirTopHat | brb |
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| 02:00.25 | SirTopHat | nope, it's not in about:plugins |
| 02:00.26 | SirTopHat | still |
| 02:00.43 | nsadmin | hmm... wonder why |
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| 02:00.56 | abrotman | i just said why? |
| 02:01.12 | nsadmin | he says he restarted |
| 02:01.19 | SirTopHat | what are the commands for that then? |
| 02:01.19 | abrotman | what does that have to do with it? |
| 02:01.23 | nsadmin | oh the gnash thing |
| 02:01.26 | abrotman | did you install the dmm package? |
| 02:01.37 | SirTopHat | It might have installed |
| 02:01.42 | abrotman | might have ? |
| 02:01.45 | SirTopHat | it gave errors about "no trusted keyring" |
| 02:01.54 | octoserver | shouldnt dd stop at the end of the dvd or will it start at the beginning again lol |
| 02:02.04 | nsadmin | so again, you need to run aptitude update |
| 02:02.12 | yoshio | octoserver: it should stop automatically |
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| 02:02.24 | octoserver | it has been going for hours and says it copied 5 gig, but it is one of those mini dvds for a cam corder lol |
| 02:02.47 | yoshio | SirTopHat: do you have Javascript turned on? needs to be on for flash to work |
| 02:02.57 | abrotman | oh my gosh |
| 02:03.11 | yoshio | SirTopHat: actually, if about:plugins doesn't show it, then fix that first |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | this is exactly why you use the package |
| 02:03.31 | SirTopHat | no java installed either |
| 02:03.39 | SirTopHat | abrotman, I tried to but that didn't work out |
| 02:03.41 | abrotman | SirTopHat: dpkg -l *flash* |
| 02:04.07 | abrotman | this is insane .. you've all given him a dozen different ways .. the package puts the plugin in the right place, and configures the system to use it |
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| 02:04.29 | SirTopHat | no packages found matching flashplayer-installer and libflashplayer.so |
| 02:04.43 | abrotman | sorry .. dpkg -l "*flash*" |
| 02:04.52 | nsadmin | you need the quotes |
| 02:05.04 | abrotman | only if you have something named similarly in your CWD |
| 02:05.06 | SirTopHat | no packages found matching flash |
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| 02:05.20 | nsadmin | so the package isnt' installed |
| 02:05.21 | abrotman | SirTopHat: aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla |
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| 02:06.02 | nsadmin | its not called flashplayer-iceweasel? |
| 02:06.08 | abrotman | no |
| 02:06.10 | SirTopHat | now it finally looks like it's installing something |
| 02:06.11 | octoserver | how can i mount something that is not a block device ? |
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| 02:06.18 | abrotman | because it works for all gecko-based browsers |
| 02:06.26 | abrotman | octoserver: what is it? |
| 02:06.51 | SirTopHat | now it gave three error messages about /usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 does not exist |
| 02:06.58 | abrotman | what does? |
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| 02:07.25 | SirTopHat | after I did the aptitude install |
| 02:07.35 | abrotman | can you put it in a pastebin at paste.debian.net ? |
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| 02:07.56 | SirTopHat | my terminal window can't copy |
| 02:07.59 | nsadmin | you might as well aptitude install pastebinit |
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| 02:08.35 | abrotman | SirTopHat: did it install the package or not ? |
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| 02:08.53 | SirTopHat | no, it's not in about:plugins |
| 02:08.58 | abrotman | that's not what i asked |
| 02:09.16 | SirTopHat | if it installed it would be |
| 02:09.19 | abrotman | not necessarily |
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| 02:09.29 | SirTopHat | then I don't know |
| 02:09.44 | abrotman | SirTopHat: dpkg --configure -a .. what does it tell you ? |
| 02:09.48 | pickcoder | SirTopHat: if aptitude barfed on the install, you'd know |
| 02:09.55 | pickcoder | unless you didn't pay attention to it |
| 02:10.04 | kalvin | soo, has anyone experianced a debain linux "ghost" (as i would like to call it...) |
| 02:10.18 | SirTopHat | it goes by fast, can't really watch every line |
| 02:10.26 | abrotman | kalvin: does it come to you in the middle of the night and turn the lights off and on ? |
| 02:10.26 | misreckoning | nsadmin: hi, if you remember me (installing gparted from source...), it actually didn't help, not even CFdisk could read the partition table (my guess is because of ext4 which it didn't recognize well?), so I deleted the ext4 manually with "fdisk" and now gparted works... thanks, once again, for deb-src help! |
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| 02:11.10 | SirTopHat | dpkg --configure -a didn't give any output |
| 02:11.10 | dpkg | SirTopHat: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:11.13 | kalvin | actually, it's not debian thats the ghost, it's the operating system (which was Sidux) that it formatted and overwritten in it's spot |
| 02:11.21 | abrotman | SirTopHat: dpkg -l "*flash*" |
| 02:11.58 | SirTopHat | "No packages found matching *flash*" |
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| 02:12.07 | PingFloyd | kalvin: what you talkin bout willis? |
| 02:12.13 | nsadmin | still didn't install it |
| 02:12.25 | nsadmin | this time you tried tho |
| 02:12.34 | abrotman | SirTopHat: so you can't highlight and middle click to paste the output ? |
| 02:12.38 | octoserver | abrotman: it is supposed to be a dvd I dd'ed with conv=noerror,sync to an iso since I think it is messed up. when I try to mount it, it says is not a block device (maybe try `-o loop'?) |
| 02:12.55 | octoserver | abrotman: ps, I have no idea what I am doing :) |
| 02:12.56 | nsadmin | abrotman no middle button |
| 02:13.03 | abrotman | so? |
| 02:13.08 | betz | I need to install linux-headers but i dont know which one. Can anyone help me out, |
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| 02:13.12 | betz | ? |
| 02:13.14 | nsadmin | so middle click is hard :) |
| 02:13.16 | abrotman | !tell octoserver about mount iso |
| 02:13.23 | kalvin | i'm talking about, my computer formatting it's old OS, everything on it...and still finding peices of the old OS on it |
| 02:13.26 | abrotman | nsadmin: hit both buttons at the same time .. it'll be a middle click |
| 02:13.26 | SirTopHat | middle clicking just pastes the URL of the last website I've entered into iceweasel |
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| 02:14.07 | yoshio | SirTopHat: type "dpkg -l | grep flash", properly installed packages have an "ii" at the front. typing "dpkg -l |head " will show you what the "ii" stands for |
| 02:14.31 | abrotman | he already said it's not there |
| 02:14.32 | PingFloyd | kalvin: how are you finding these "pieces" |
| 02:14.41 | PingFloyd | kalvin: formating doesn't wipe |
| 02:14.47 | SirTopHat | no output |
| 02:14.55 | abrotman | SirTopHat: which terminal are you using ? |
| 02:14.57 | yoshio | betz: type "uname -a" to see which kernel you are using |
| 02:15.22 | SirTopHat | dpkg -l |head gave output |
| 02:15.22 | abrotman | betz: aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 02:15.22 | dpkg | ii |head gave output 2.7-3.2 sirtophat's private gamp collection |
| 02:15.22 | SirTopHat | Root terminal |
| 02:15.27 | abrotman | SirTopHat: xterm? konsole? gnome-terminal ? |
| 02:15.32 | betz | yoshio: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 02:15.53 | betz | abrotman: then i get Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 02:15.56 | kalvin | well, openoffice found a part of it, which got me confused, due to "siduxbox" is formatted and overwritten about 10 times over |
| 02:15.56 | SirTopHat | Applications - Acessories - Root Terminal |
| 02:16.02 | abrotman | betz: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 02:16.10 | SirTopHat | Gnome terminal |
| 02:16.18 | pickcoder | betz: have you considered upgrading? |
| 02:16.51 | abrotman | SirTopHat: did you try the "Copy" in the edit menu ? |
| 02:16.58 | SirTopHat | yes |
| 02:17.09 | abrotman | did you highlight stuff firsT? |
| 02:17.11 | SirTopHat | yes |
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| 02:18.10 | abrotman | SirTopHat: where did you copy the libflashplayer.so ? |
| 02:18.20 | betz | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1451404 |
| 02:18.38 | SirTopHat | to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins |
| 02:18.38 | SirTopHat | and it's there along with the other .so's, I looked |
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| 02:18.53 | betz | pickcoder: everything is working now, little afraid of upgrading |
| 02:18.56 | abrotman | update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so flash-mozilla.so /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libflashplayer.so 10 |
| 02:19.05 | pickcoder | betz: be weary of support ending soon |
| 02:19.11 | pickcoder | no more security updates |
| 02:19.18 | abrotman | betz: you're using an etch kernel with lenny sources .. |
| 02:19.28 | abrotman | oh hell .. your sources are all messed up |
| 02:19.35 | abrotman | SirTopHat: run that big nasty command above |
| 02:19.37 | betz | :) |
| 02:19.54 | bookmark | oh lordly i need ssl or something, is that ssl-cert? |
| 02:19.59 | abrotman | betz: no really .. you cannot mix etch/lenny/sid/ubuntu and expect to have a working system |
| 02:20.21 | betz | abrotman: ok, for an update, what to do? |
| 02:20.28 | betz | or upgrade i mean |
| 02:20.33 | SirTopHat | no output |
| 02:20.39 | abrotman | SirTopHat: there shouldn't be |
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| 02:20.55 | abrotman | SirTopHat: update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so .. choose the libflashplayer.so one |
| 02:21.14 | abrotman | betz: i have no idea which version of linux you'd even be running ... you need to clean up your sources.list first |
| 02:21.45 | SirTopHat | there are 0 alternatives, type selection number. |
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| 02:21.48 | SirTopHat | is it 10? |
| 02:21.53 | abrotman | there are none ? |
| 02:22.02 | abrotman | not a single one is listed ? |
| 02:22.05 | SirTopHat | no |
| 02:22.09 | pickcoder | SirTopHat: type "who" and see what returns |
| 02:22.11 | betz | abrotman: could you help with it? Dont know what's wrong |
| 02:22.32 | SirTopHat | kurt, root, and root. I have two root terminals open. |
| 02:22.35 | abrotman | betz: you need to fix your sources.list .. i have no idea which version of debian or linux you want to be running .. but you cannot mix it like that |
| 02:22.53 | abrotman | SirTopHat: does /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so exist ? |
| 02:23.41 | SirTopHat | yes |
| 02:23.52 | pickcoder | SirTopHat: it's not a symlink is it? |
| 02:24.02 | SirTopHat | how do Itell |
| 02:24.02 | abrotman | and if you `ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so` .. where does it point ? |
| 02:24.17 | pickcoder | ls -l will show you a link path if it's a symlink |
| 02:24.19 | betz | abrotman: if u do uname -a, i get 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 now first i want to further run the same, i delete all the lenny links, no? |
| 02:24.38 | betz | abrotman: so first 8 links |
| 02:24.39 | abrotman | betz: you have your system pointing at like six different versions of linux |
| 02:24.46 | abrotman | i'm surprised it runs at all |
| 02:24.57 | pickcoder | betz: have you run an update after messing with the souces? |
| 02:25.00 | betz | lol, me to now |
| 02:25.01 | SirTopHat | it points to /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
| 02:25.12 | abrotman | SirTopHat: and `ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so` points where? |
| 02:25.17 | betz | pickcoder: yeah, yesterday did last update |
| 02:25.29 | bookmark | dude who is having trouble installing flash |
| 02:25.35 | abrotman | bookmark: please don't |
| 02:25.37 | bookmark | tell me whats wrong ill tell you why |
| 02:25.41 | abrotman | no |
| 02:25.41 | enouf | readlink -f ffs already |
| 02:25.53 | SirTopHat | it's /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 02:25.57 | bookmark | its so easy a caveman could do it |
| 02:25.59 | abrotman | SirTopHat: restart iceweasel |
| 02:26.06 | abrotman | bookmark: stay out of it |
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| 02:26.07 | abrotman | please |
| 02:26.16 | bookmark | 15 minutes could save you.... |
| 02:26.20 | abrotman | bookmark: stop it |
| 02:26.25 | bookmark | ; P |
| 02:26.36 | SirTopHat | still not in about:plugins after restart |
| 02:26.42 | enouf | bookmark: even a half advanced ape could figure out that crap |
| 02:27.00 | abrotman | SirTopHat: you need to restart *every* instance of iceweasel |
| 02:27.05 | bookmark | i crack myself up at least enouf |
| 02:27.07 | SirTopHat | every instance is |
| 02:27.08 | octoserver | bookmark: save me, i have a faulty dvd and im trying to dd stuff off of it with no luck :) |
| 02:27.21 | SirTopHat | there are no open instances |
| 02:27.23 | bookmark | no can do there buddy |
| 02:27.26 | pickcoder | octoserver: if it's faulty how do you expect to get a clean image?? |
| 02:27.32 | abrotman | SirTopHat: did you also put the libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ ? |
| 02:27.38 | SirTopHat | yes |
| 02:28.00 | octoserver | i dont, im just hoping I can get some mpeg off of it maybe? is that possible? not sure |
| 02:28.07 | abrotman | SirTopHat: okay .. let's try this one more time |
| 02:28.23 | abrotman | update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so flash-mozilla.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so 10 |
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| 02:28.25 | bookmark | octoserver: just a guess, but could you just do genisoimage on the directory structure? |
| 02:28.36 | abrotman | SirTopHat: then update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so |
| 02:28.49 | yoshio | octoserver: did you try to finalize the dvd in your camcorder? is the camcorder far away? |
| 02:29.09 | pickcoder | camcorder? |
| 02:29.18 | betz | Is sid and squeeze the same? |
| 02:29.19 | bookmark | octoserver: will it mount? |
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| 02:29.25 | pickcoder | betz: no |
| 02:29.25 | octoserver | yoshio: wasnt my camcorder, and it was years ago. I have never been able to get it to play anywhere |
| 02:29.25 | abrotman | betz: no |
| 02:29.36 | octoserver | cant seem to mount it |
| 02:29.49 | bookmark | i think yer screwed hass |
| 02:29.55 | SirTopHat | after that I check about plugins again |
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| 02:30.12 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:30.16 | SirTopHat | not there |
| 02:30.26 | yoshio | betz: squeeze is Testing, sid is unstable |
| 02:30.35 | pickcoder | betz: what does /etc/debian_version contain? |
| 02:30.35 | abrotman | SirTopHat: `killall firefox-bin` |
| 02:30.47 | nsadmin | it's time to see what kind of file that libflash is |
| 02:30.53 | nsadmin | in some detail |
| 02:30.57 | SirTopHat | no process killed |
| 02:31.04 | abrotman | wouldn't that be fun if he's using amd64 and he's install the i386 one |
| 02:31.07 | betz | pickcoder: squeeze/sid |
| 02:31.16 | abrotman | SirTopHat: dpkg-architecture | head -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 02:31.19 | octoserver | i have amd64 :) |
| 02:31.37 | pickcoder | betz: you've got one confused Linux box then |
| 02:31.42 | octoserver | i installed the 1386 then just replaced the .so witht he 64 bit one :) |
| 02:31.49 | SirTopHat | thank you adobe. your massive incompetence in the field of linux has led to three hours of my time being wasted becayse you are too lazy to make an installer package. I hope your buildings catch on fire and all within them die a slow painful death. |
| 02:32.00 | pickcoder | I wouldn't attempt to give you advice at this point. Whatever you do will probably break something. |
| 02:32.01 | nsadmin | the right li doesn't know what the left nux is doing... |
| 02:32.08 | betz | pickcoder: can i bring back |
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| 02:32.11 | betz | *it |
| 02:32.22 | pickcoder | betz: I have no clue |
| 02:32.27 | SirTopHat | i386 |
| 02:32.59 | nsadmin | uname -r? |
| 02:32.59 | abrotman | SirTopHat: file /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so ... does it say 32 or 64 ? |
| 02:33.16 | pickcoder | betz your install thinks it's testing or unstable so you can try to force everything to be "squeeze" |
| 02:33.24 | pickcoder | removing the extraneous sources in there |
| 02:33.27 | SirTopHat | 32 |
| 02:33.42 | yoshio | octoserver: http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ says "Then non-finalized DVD+R and Sequential DVD-R[W] discs don't have lead-out either(*). If you fail to mount/play DVD+R media and wish to sacrifice the remaining space for immediate compatibility, just fill the media up(**). Alternatively if you master volume in a single take and don't plan to use it for multisessioning(***), you have the option to invoke growisofs with -dvd-compat opt |
| 02:33.43 | pickcoder | you only need one Debian repos for deb/deb-src and one for security |
| 02:33.56 | abrotman | SirTopHat: do you ahve any other browsers installed like epiphany ? |
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| 02:35.15 | SirTopHat | yes |
| 02:35.25 | SirTopHat | epiphany came with debian |
| 02:35.32 | enouf | ... |
| 02:35.47 | abrotman | SirTopHat: try that .. and do the about:plugins |
| 02:36.18 | SirTopHat | try what? |
| 02:36.19 | SirTopHat | ... |
| 02:36.34 | abrotman | try using the browser .. and try 'about:plugins' |
| 02:36.37 | enouf | you don't get to do the dots man |
| 02:37.03 | SirTopHat | no flash there either. |
| 02:37.12 | SirTopHat | it looks exactly the same as the iceweasel one |
| 02:37.27 | octoserver | yoshio: cool, thanks ill read through it and see if i can find a way to read what is one it somehow :) |
| 02:37.44 | abrotman | AFAICT .. everything is correct |
| 02:38.05 | abrotman | your system has flash installed, has it configured to use it, but refuses to work .. awesome |
| 02:38.28 | betz | what do i have to put in my sources.list to have squeeze? |
| 02:38.29 | abrotman | SirTopHat: if you do `aptitude install xorg` .. does it want to install anything ? |
| 02:38.31 | pickcoder | I gave up on flash on Linux |
| 02:38.52 | abrotman | it's really not hard . |
| 02:38.53 | pickcoder | I'd probably have better luck jailbreaking my iPhone and installing it |
| 02:39.01 | abrotman | or shouldn't be anyways |
| 02:39.11 | SirTopHat | 0 upgraded/removed/installed |
| 02:39.47 | pickcoder | half of the sites that use fancy pages use shockwave which never worked under any of the flash libs I installed |
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| 02:41.02 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ...i want to change my default browser ...how can i ??? |
| 02:41.06 | abrotman | SirTopHat: `ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so` .. what are the permissions ? |
| 02:41.16 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: in what? |
| 02:41.33 | SirTopHat | I've just about had it with this redundant, over complicated thing you call debian. what installs on windows, 100% by itself with no user intervention, in maybe one minute, has taken hours upon hours on debian and still has not been even slight sucessful.l |
| 02:41.34 | rhodan | referring to cobra-the-joker: what has #debian become? :| |
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| 02:42.00 | SirTopHat | and this really sucks because windows is an unstable, security-hole ridden POS |
| 02:42.02 | cobra-the-joker | in debian ..i want to change the default internet browser :D |
| 02:42.04 | pickcoder | SirTopHat: blame Adobe for their lack of open Linux support |
| 02:42.11 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: in gnome? |
| 02:42.14 | cobra-the-joker | yeah |
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| 02:42.25 | pickcoder | take Broadcom along for the ride too and also nVidia |
| 02:42.31 | rhodan | wow, a year ago, this whas RTFM hell. what happened to you? |
| 02:42.33 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: system->preferences->preferred applicatoins |
| 02:42.39 | abrotman | rhodan: do you need help? |
| 02:42.51 | rhodan | abrotman: no, i just wondered |
| 02:43.10 | octoserver | yoshio: one weird thing is that k3b seems to see it as a blank dvd that has 4.4 Gig available, but it is a mini dvd/ It cant have that much right? |
| 02:43.10 | SirTopHat | if I have to read through one more unhelpful, useless man file I'm going to explode |
| 02:43.11 | cobra-the-joker | ok ...thanx ...and sorry to bother u |
| 02:43.17 | yoshio | abrotman: I had Mozilla, Phoenix (before it became firefox), Firefox and then Iceweasel on my system. I tried to upgrade flash player one time, and about:plugins kept showing me the old version of flash. finally figured out that the old .SO file was in one of the /usr/lib directories, removed the old /usr/lib/directory, and the new flashplayer finally showed up in about:plugins. it was really confusing, I think I finally nuked my dot files to |
| 02:43.17 | abrotman | SirTopHat: `ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so` .. what are the permissions ? |
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| 02:43.36 | betz | abrotman: do you know what resources i have to put in sources.list to get squeeze? |
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| 02:43.44 | abrotman | SirTopHat: just to make sure .. you are using iceweasel .. not firefox, right ? |
| 02:43.50 | SirTopHat | yes |
| 02:44.06 | abrotman | yoshio: i know .. but the debian browsers in lenny are supposed to use /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
| 02:44.08 | SirTopHat | -rwxr--xr-x 1 root root |
| 02:44.38 | SirTopHat | should I change it to 777 |
| 02:44.45 | abrotman | no, that's sufficient |
| 02:44.50 | pickcoder | abrotman: and that symlink points correctly? I thought that no alternatives were showing up. |
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| 02:45.04 | abrotman | pickcoder: he said ls -l on it pointed to the mozilla plugins dir |
| 02:45.18 | pickcoder | dir or file in the dir? |
| 02:45.24 | Mipsalawishus | does anyone know the best way to install tomcat 6 on lenny? |
| 02:45.24 | abrotman | the file in it |
| 02:45.26 | abrotman | ask him again |
| 02:46.01 | Mipsalawishus | err, the "cleanest" way to install it via apt-get |
| 02:46.20 | abrotman | Mipsalawishus: you'd probably have to backport it yourself |
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| 02:47.34 | Mipsalawishus | abrotman: i haven't found tomcat 6 in any repo, but i didn't know if there's a good repo around that has it |
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| 02:47.51 | abrotman | Mipsalawishus: it's in squeeze/sid .. so that's why i said you'd have to backport it yourself |
| 02:47.57 | SirTopHat | so for some asinine reason debian or iceweasel won't recognize the file being there? |
| 02:48.02 | Mipsalawishus | abrotman: gotcha |
| 02:48.14 | pickcoder | Mipsalawishus: bpo? |
| 02:48.21 | abrotman | SirTopHat: it works perfectly fine for me .. and this mahcine is lenny/i386 |
| 02:48.34 | SirTopHat | I'm on gnome i386 |
| 02:48.54 | SirTopHat | I couldn't get the AMD installer to work so I used the i386 and it was fine |
| 02:49.20 | SirTopHat | even though it's am AMD Turion 64 |
| 02:49.30 | SirTopHat | I give up |
| 02:49.32 | SirTopHat | this is useless |
| 02:49.50 | abrotman | not being able to paste doesn't help either |
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| 02:50.03 | bernie_ | hello |
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| 02:50.06 | yoshio | SirTopHat: typing 'ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so' - my file dated in 2006 is about 7 megs, is yours about the same? |
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| 02:50.18 | rhodan | oh fglrx gives me headaches again... |
| 02:50.18 | pickcoder | I thought gnome on AMD64 was 64-bit? |
| 02:50.35 | bernie_ | i thaught it was to |
| 02:50.55 | bookmark | just install 32bit debian from netinstall cd. it takes 20 minutes if you remove your ethernet cable after dhcp |
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| 02:52.42 | abrotman | yoshio: he's gone |
| 02:52.46 | abrotman | pickcoder: he was using 32bit |
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| 02:52.57 | pickcoder | yet he said he was on amd64 |
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| 02:53.02 | pickcoder | too much confusion |
| 02:53.11 | abrotman | his CPU was ... he was using i386 |
| 02:53.30 | pickcoder | I realize that now after he made it clear before leaving |
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| 02:54.11 | betz | ok, so if i want to upgrade to lenny, how do i do that? |
| 02:54.29 | pickcoder | betz: you can't |
| 02:54.37 | pickcoder | you're running a newer testing/unstable version |
| 02:54.44 | pickcoder | lenny is "stable" |
| 02:55.06 | NetEcho | anyone know if theres anything special I have to do in debian to allow nessus to scan outside hosts with all plugins? |
| 02:55.10 | betz | but its etch his showing me when doing uname |
| 02:55.18 | pickcoder | betz: that's the kernel |
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| 02:55.27 | Mipsalawishus | so far i'm liking lenny alot, though i've never liked the name "lenny |
| 02:55.30 | pickcoder | you can still be running 2.4 with recent software |
| 02:55.31 | Mipsalawishus | lol.. |
| 02:56.17 | betz | pickcoder: so i'm stuck at it now |
| 02:56.58 | betz | pickcoder: just to be sure, it's the unstable lenny version i'm running? |
| 02:57.09 | pickcoder | lenny is not unstable |
| 02:57.14 | pickcoder | lenny is current stable |
| 02:57.17 | pickcoder | squeeze is testing |
| 02:57.24 | pickcoder | and sid is _always_ the unstable release |
| 02:58.00 | Mipsalawishus | i knew a kid growing up named Sid, and yes, he was emotionally unstable |
| 02:58.07 | betz | lol |
| 02:58.13 | pickcoder | you have ubuntu, custom, sid, and lenny packages mixed together |
| 02:58.19 | abrotman | and squeeze |
| 02:58.20 | pickcoder | so who the hell knows what's installed |
| 02:58.22 | Mipsalawishus | honest truth! |
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| 02:58.39 | betz | pickcoder: yeah, will do a reinstall and start over |
| 02:58.56 | betz | the ubuntu packages is because of the only one available, but it works |
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| 02:59.12 | pickcoder | betz: so build a package from source that works with your installed libs |
| 02:59.29 | pickcoder | or look at backporting it if it's in sid/squeeze |
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| 03:00.28 | Mipsalawishus | it's been a while since i've used pure Debian, been using Ubuntu for a while but got tired of my hand being held. Used Slackware for years and CentOS at work before that. |
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| 03:02.38 | gtsts | sorry, a very quick, stupid question: there's a "debian-update-5.0.1-i386-DVD-1.iso" and a "debian-501-i386-DVD-1.iso" in the downloads page. is the file with 'update' in its name an updated replacement of DVD-1 (meaning I'm fine to download JUST that), or is to be somehow a supplement disc to the other (meaning I download the one with 'update' in its name and one without it as well)? |
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| 03:05.53 | Mipsalawishus | kinda bites that Lenny doesn't include Tomcat6 :( |
| 03:06.22 | yoshio | octoserver: I typed "read un-finalized dvd linux" into google (actually scroogle) and got some hits |
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| 03:07.34 | gtsts | Okay, fine, I will give a small cotton candy to whoever answers my question first. |
| 03:07.39 | pickcoder | Mipsalawishus: backporting isn't that tough, provided there's not a dependancy conflict |
| 03:08.57 | pickcoder | gtsts: cookies work better.. nom nom nom |
| 03:10.05 | gtsts | pickcoder: Sorry mate, I have no means of making cookies at my place. Haven't got an oven. |
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| 03:10.30 | pickcoder | gtsts: yet you have a cotton candy machine? |
| 03:10.49 | gtsts | pickcoder: Yes sir I do. |
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| 03:11.16 | gtsts | Kindly answer my question for the cotton candy. |
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| 03:12.25 | Mipsalawishus | pickcoder: i'll have to look into that. |
| 03:12.30 | jmoncayo | what can i use to watch a .mov file? or is there a codec for totem? |
| 03:12.36 | pickcoder | as much as fodder of the dissacharides type entices me, I can't help |
| 03:13.20 | pickcoder | !tell Mipsalawishus about simple sid backport |
| 03:13.50 | Mipsalawishus | i have a webapp at work that seems to only work on tomcat6 on top of windows |
| 03:13.52 | gtsts | pickcoder: Why can you not? Would it help if I offer two cotton candies in place of just one? |
| 03:14.16 | Mipsalawishus | trying to get it off of windows |
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| 03:14.33 | pickcoder | gtsts: I'm not up to speed on the disc images |
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| 03:17.22 | gtsts | Okie dokie. Thanks anyway. Of course, the offer still stands for anyone else who might be interested in cotton candy. |
| 03:17.31 | pickcoder | gtsts: the list probably has an answer |
| 03:17.38 | gtsts | I'm sorry, the list? |
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| 03:19.40 | pickcoder | debian-announce |
| 03:19.44 | pickcoder | lists.debian.org |
| 03:20.16 | gtsts | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/bt-dvd/ is the page I was referring to |
| 03:20.18 | dmoerner | gtsts, the -update DVD just has the updated packages in the 5.0.1 point release, you want the other one |
| 03:20.25 | dmoerner | to do a fresh install |
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| 03:21.53 | gtsts | Okay, I'll get debian-501-i386-DVD-1.iso then. Thank you |
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| 03:22.54 | cobra-the-joker | didnt openoffice 3 reach debian ? |
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| 03:29.39 | redstick | 2.4 on debian is so much faster than the 3.0 i have on windows |
| 03:29.55 | redstick | dont know if its the version or the OS :p |
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| 03:31.16 | Tapout | I have removed entries in /etc/network/interfaces , can I reinit the network without a reboot? /etc/init.d/networking restart ... gave 'Ignoring unknown interface eth1:7=eth1:7 ...' |
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| 03:38.20 | misreckoning | which package installs the "brctl" binary? |
| 03:38.35 | misreckoning | (tunneling, NAT, bridges etc) |
| 03:39.18 | pl4yer0ne | misreckoning, check out apt-file |
| 03:40.09 | dmoerner | misreckoning, bridge-utils |
| 03:40.16 | misreckoning | pl4yer0ne: cool! didn't know about this :) |
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| 03:40.24 | TCW | re |
| 03:40.26 | misreckoning | dmoerner: thanks! |
| 03:41.02 | TCW | how Di I reisnatll ALL installed packages with a simple command? I did this once some years ago, but I don't remember how I did it... |
| 03:41.09 | TCW | s/Di/do/ |
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| 03:41.30 | liable | !reinstall |
| 03:41.30 | dpkg | [reinstall] aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
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| 03:42.35 | TCW_ | how Do I reinstall ALL installed packages with a simple command? I did this once some years ago, but I don't remember how I did it... sorry, got kicked out of the web |
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| 03:42.55 | liable | TCW_: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 03:43.22 | TCW_ | linice, thanks |
| 03:43.26 | TCW_ | liable, even |
| 03:43.34 | liable | np |
| 03:44.40 | pl4yer0ne | TCW, why do you want to do that anyway? |
| 03:46.56 | TCW_ | pl4yer0ne, ati with foss radeon drivers gives me wierd segfaults under weird circumstances... there was a nvidia in it before and I had a hard time getting this ati setup to that state where it is right now. There are those weird segfaults left (without sense) so I think there may be some nvidia leftovers... just a guess in the blue :) |
| 03:48.30 | yoshio | octoserver: http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/132104 -- Using Gnu/Linux Tools to Recover DVD Video |
| 03:49.24 | pl4yer0ne | TCW_, where you using the nonfree nvidia drivers? |
| 03:50.40 | TCW_ | plasure |
| 03:50.44 | TCW_ | pl4yer0ne, sure |
| 03:51.17 | pl4yer0ne | because I think they do leave some cruft when you uninstall them |
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| 03:52.03 | TCW_ | pl4yer0ne, that's why I hope the reinstall could help.... I am not in the mood to do a full reinstall from scratch... so... I just hope it helps :) |
| 03:52.17 | pl4yer0ne | Yeah I wouldnt think so |
| 03:52.32 | pl4yer0ne | but its your time not mine =) |
| 03:52.53 | TCW_ | pl4yer0ne, any other ideas? |
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| 03:53.21 | pl4yer0ne | is the crash repro at all? |
| 03:53.40 | TCW_ | pl4yer0ne, sort of |
| 03:53.53 | TCW_ | pl4yer0ne, that's why it is somewhat weird |
| 03:54.54 | pl4yer0ne | and what segfaults? |
| 03:55.26 | yoshio | octoserver: can you mount the disk as type UDF? |
| 03:56.12 | TCW_ | pl4yer0ne, in short... I start compiz from a terminal, works, I kill it (ctrl-c) and it kills the whole X session, drops me back to gdm, and on all text consoles I see on one display the image of gdm login (dualhead setup) but it IS a text console, e.g. ctr-alt-delete reboots the box. So, when relogin at the gdm I was droped back to, gnome starts but the moment compiz does start, crash again, the same as before. |
| 03:56.35 | TCW_ | pl4yer0ne, so first it crashes when I kill a working compiz, then it crashes if I start compiz |
| 03:56.51 | TCW_ | pl4yer0ne, segfaults at xorg and compiz |
| 03:57.05 | pl4yer0ne | does the X log say anything? |
| 03:57.44 | TCW_ | [ 73.724992] compiz.real[4931]: segfault at b78f7c70 ip b78f7c70 sp bfaeebc4 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.2000.3[b792b000+b5000] |
| 03:57.44 | TCW_ | [ 73.768201] Xorg[4572]: segfault at 0 ip 08132900 sp bffb2e00 error 4 in Xorg[8048000+196000] |
| 03:57.58 | TCW_ | pl4yer0ne, not really |
| 03:58.55 | TCW_ | Fatal server error: |
| 03:58.56 | TCW_ | Caught signal 11. Server aborting |
| 03:58.56 | TCW_ | from the Xorg.0.log |
| 03:59.35 | pl4yer0ne | does other 3d stuff work? |
| 03:59.43 | pl4yer0ne | glxgears or soemthing? |
| 03:59.55 | TCW | pl4yer0ne, I did not test it in a great detail, but in general, yes |
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| 04:00.25 | TCW | pl4yer0ne, yes, glxgears works, descent works too, even compiz works when started the first time |
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| 04:01.22 | TCW | pl4yer0ne, http://paste.debian.net/38342/ a backtrace from the log, if you find it useful |
| 04:02.44 | pl4yer0ne | sounds like compiz is wanging out |
| 04:03.02 | pl4yer0ne | or the the ati driver is being lame |
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| 04:03.19 | TCW | pl4yer0ne, compiz dev / regulars tend to think it is rather xorg thats at fault here |
| 04:03.40 | pl4yer0ne | fair enough |
| 04:03.47 | TCW | and as compiz is a user application, it should not kill X in general |
| 04:04.10 | TCW | It sounds more like the open drivers have some issue here... OR... some nvidia left-overs |
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| 04:04.41 | pl4yer0ne | yeah I didnt mean that its a compiz problem |
| 04:04.50 | TCW | Oh, I see :) |
| 04:05.24 | pl4yer0ne | I havent used the open ati drivers, nvidia all round here so I am not much help on that side |
| 04:05.45 | pl4yer0ne | but with the nvidia side I did here a while ago that they left crap after an uninstall |
| 04:05.54 | TCW | the whole issue is just _weird_ |
| 04:05.54 | pl4yer0ne | i'll see if a i can find out more |
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| 04:06.22 | pl4yer0ne | nah its not that weird. driver problems tend to manifest in crazy ways |
| 04:06.49 | TCW | pl4yer0ne, first start works, kill kills X, second start kills X... not wierd? :) |
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| 04:07.24 | pl4yer0ne | yeah not that weird =) |
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| 04:07.59 | TCW | pl4yer0ne, not even a little more weird as not weird at all? ;) |
| 04:08.39 | pl4yer0ne | have you taken out any lines in your xorg.conf that were nvidia related? |
| 04:08.46 | TCW | pl4yer0ne, yes |
| 04:09.27 | TCW | pl4yer0ne, as xrandr does all the tricks now... almost everything display-related was deleted in the xorg.conf |
| 04:10.32 | pl4yer0ne | yeah cool |
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| 04:11.06 | TCW | setting display stuff is now almost as nice as with windows or MacOS X :) |
| 04:12.38 | in-system | ---> film |
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| 04:13.32 | TCW | I hope 4,6G are enough vor /var :) |
| 04:13.36 | TCW | for |
| 04:13.39 | LordXavier | is anyone experience on building independent architecture packages? |
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| 04:14.54 | pl4yer0ne | TCW, you could try the nonfree's and see if the issue is there |
| 04:15.03 | TCW | pl4yer0ne, fglrx?! |
| 04:15.45 | pl4yer0ne | what card is it? |
| 04:15.54 | TCW | pl4yer0ne, r530 chip |
| 04:16.09 | TCW | ATI Technologies Inc RV530 [Radeon X1600] |
| 04:17.09 | pl4yer0ne | yeah I would give ati driver a bash and see if it is any better |
| 04:17.43 | TCW | pl4yer0ne, no chance to convince ME to try fglrx... no, really :) |
| 04:17.59 | pl4yer0ne | yeah it is a bit crap isnt it |
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| 04:18.06 | TCW | that pice of software does just suck as hell |
| 04:18.34 | TCW | It is the most unstable driver I have ever seen. |
| 04:18.36 | scibotic | I have an external hard drive I'd like to use with Windows and Debian. What's the best file system for that? Also how well does it support unix permissions? |
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| 04:19.01 | pl4yer0ne | scibotic, you can get ext2/3 drivers for windows so i would use that |
| 04:19.14 | TCW | scibotic, unix permissions on WIndows are a no-go... apart from that use ext2-ifs on windws and ext3 as FS, or ntfs and ntfs-3g on Linux |
| 04:19.20 | scibotic | pl4yer0ne, Tried it, they don't play nice with external drives. |
| 04:19.43 | TCW | scibotic, how so? |
| 04:20.22 | pl4yer0ne | so use vfat/ntfs then |
| 04:20.28 | scibotic | TCW, Don't know the exact details but none of the computers or drives I've tried have successfully mounted an external usb ext3 partition under windows. |
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| 04:20.55 | scibotic | EXT2IFS doesn't recognise it at all, and EXT2FSD has trouble mounting it. |
| 04:21.43 | TCW | scibotic, details are important here :) I suspect too high inode count so the windows ifs ext3 driver can't handle those filesystems. You need to take special care dureing mkfs there |
| 04:21.49 | scibotic | The only reason I'm apprehensive about NTFS is I still have linux apps on the drive. |
| 04:21.59 | TCW | ifs ext2 driver even |
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| 04:22.39 | TCW | scibotic, why do you want to have linux _apps_ on a filesystem that windows can access? |
| 04:22.42 | scibotic | Hence the unix permissions question. |
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| 04:23.27 | TCW | E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on bash <- damnit :) |
| 04:24.09 | scibotic | TCW, Custom scripts and the like, I need to hand them between multiple computers. |
| 04:24.29 | pl4yer0ne | so use ext2 |
| 04:24.50 | TCW | scibotic, run the scripts with "sh /mnt/ntfs/script.sh" |
| 04:25.07 | TCW | or with whatever interpreter the scripts are written in |
| 04:26.05 | pl4yer0ne | and IIRC the extfs driver in windows likes the drive to be connected already when windows loads |
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| 04:27.31 | puddingpimp | where do I add ssl certs on debian for gnutls? I'm trying to bind a new debian machine to our ldap directory and every other machine uses openssl |
| 04:27.58 | muh2000 | is there a program to display file size statistics on a filesystem? like http://nopaste.org/p/a85IJD2xr ? |
| 04:28.08 | puddingpimp | the debugging output from ldapsearch says: TLS: warning: cacertdir not implemented for gnutls |
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| 04:29.40 | TCW | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=353290 <- hmmm |
| 04:29.42 | squisher | evening, what's the best place to make 'less -R' the default? |
| 04:29.52 | squisher | in particular because I use zsh and bash |
| 04:30.04 | squisher | what file is sourced by both? |
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| 04:31.00 | pythos | I somehow installed the wrong kernel package when going through a netinst. Where can I find how to salvage the time/net-lode and just install the proper kernel rahter than going back through an entire fresh install? |
| 04:31.18 | puddingpimp | squisher, .profile |
| 04:31.23 | TCW | pythos, the box does not boot at all? |
| 04:31.43 | pythos | gets a few lines in, then kernel panic |
| 04:32.12 | TCW | pythos, what is wrong about the kernel? k7 kernel on a intel CPU? |
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| 04:32.55 | pythos | um, I chose 686 kernel, but it is just a pentium 2 ... 586? needs a 486 kernel? |
| 04:33.01 | TCW | pythos, but in generell... boot a live cd (like grml) chroot into the installed system, install the right kernel, reboot, done |
| 04:33.42 | TCW | pythos, yes 486 kernel is what you need there |
| 04:33.46 | pythos | tcw, I thought I would try the rescue optino on the netinst, but tha tonly confused things |
| 04:34.19 | TCW | pythos, I have no idea what to do with the rescue option... I just use grml to rescue from any issues :) |
| 04:34.29 | pythos | hah |
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| 04:35.16 | TCW | pythos, any other live CD does the trick too... if it has chroot installed |
| 04:35.28 | pythos | I used to have a set of floppies tha I had kernels on with all the network drivers that I needed for every box I had... that was the "old" method.. then debian 3 came out witha GREAT resuce system... what happened? |
| 04:36.01 | TCW | great rescue system? Like different kernels in lilo? |
| 04:36.45 | TCW | I don't say that the modern rescue mode is not useful, I just say I never used it and have no idea how to use it :) |
| 04:37.12 | pythos | not sure, maybe it was debian 2, with the floppie install disks. always worked like a charm |
| 04:38.13 | TCW | booting a live CD, mount /dev/foo /mnt/foo; chroot /mnt/foo; aptitude update; aptitude install <kernel-image>; exit; umount; reboot... you may need to mount --bind /dev and /sys before iirc |
| 04:38.35 | pythos | k, Ill give it a try! |
| 04:38.46 | TCW | pythos, there are no floppy drives around anymore ;) nowadays there are boot CDs :) |
| 04:39.06 | pythos | ya, what a deal, huh? |
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| 04:39.36 | TCW | pythos, one CD, works for every system... great deal if you ask me |
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| 04:39.51 | pythos | and how about grub then.. |
| 04:40.22 | TCW | the boot line edit feature is great too, yes |
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| 04:43.23 | pythos | whats the deal with knoppix? Is it basically a ripped version of debain? |
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| 04:43.55 | squisher | knoppix is a debian based livecd |
| 04:44.21 | TCW | pythos, it is a live CD formerly based on Debian, maybe still based on debian, that's all... I prefer grml these days |
| 04:44.42 | squisher | TCW, the grml website says it used to be based of knoppix, too |
| 04:45.05 | TCW | squisher, those were the days :) |
| 04:45.08 | pythos | tcw, you keep mentioning grml, whats the deal? |
| 04:45.32 | TCW | pythos, I just like it... perfect for rescue stuff |
| 04:45.42 | squisher | TCW, indeed :-) |
| 04:45.51 | pythos | akin to the old days of slack or what? |
| 04:46.28 | TCW | pythos, I don't need KDE on a rescue CD... |
| 04:46.34 | squisher | knoppix is not as old as slackware at all, but it was the first livecd which packed a whole running system on a CD |
| 04:46.44 | squisher | (or at least first which was widely known) |
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| 04:47.01 | creature_ | man why doesn't debian have such a fancy looking bootup like grml http://grml.org/screenshots/booting.png |
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| 04:47.05 | pythos | you can get it to install on the HD too, with some install command I hear? |
| 04:47.25 | TCW | yes |
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| 04:47.43 | TCW | but in that case I would prefere a normal Debian install... |
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| 04:49.07 | pythos | anyone paying attention to the redhat stuff anymore? I used to try the stuff each time a new series came out, but after a few years I got sick of all that garbage... |
| 04:49.48 | TCW | pythos, we did find the most sexy distribution already... guess what distro it is :) |
| 04:50.08 | pythos | sexy? |
| 04:50.16 | TCW | sexy |
| 04:50.25 | pythos | hmm, the one with the iguana? |
| 04:50.36 | cabrey | TCW, ubuntu right? ;) |
| 04:50.38 | cabrey | hides |
| 04:50.53 | TCW | kicks cabrey |
| 04:51.02 | pythos | let me guess.. grml? |
| 04:51.13 | TCW | phow about... hmmm... debian? :) |
| 04:51.14 | Alam_Lenny | how about Gentoo? |
| 04:51.16 | cabrey | har har har |
| 04:51.17 | TCW | pythos, even |
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| 04:51.58 | eshaase | is it expected for it to use 100% of my cpu while transferring a file from a non-lvm fs to a lvm fs? |
| 04:52.30 | TCW | eshaase, _very_ slow CPU? Encrypted fs? |
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| 04:54.52 | pythos | whats the deal with fedora? yes its redhat.. but are you supposed to pay something for it? I still wonder what those guys are thinking |
| 04:55.23 | eshaase | TCW: its an athlon xp +2600 |
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| 04:55.59 | TCW | eshaase, nothing encrypted? |
| 04:56.19 | eshaase | TCW: nope |
| 04:56.37 | TCW | eshaase, then no... what process eats all the CPU cycles? |
| 04:56.53 | neoice | so if fsck dumps EVERYTHING into lost+found, I'm pretty much stuck with reorganzing by hand? I cant get fsck.ext2 to read an alternate superblock |
| 04:57.01 | neoice | not even sure if that would help. |
| 04:57.42 | eshaase | TCW: well, my gnome panel system monitor app shows my cpu at 100% but top/gnome process monitor doesn't show 100% cpu, but my ssytem is laggy |
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| 04:58.26 | kn0x | hmm: W: Failed to fetch http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/lenny/volatile/Release Unable to find expected entry non-/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 04:58.40 | TCW | eshaase, how fast is the copy process? Is it the same hdd? |
| 04:59.02 | kn0x | what is this malformed release file buisiness? |
| 04:59.45 | eshaase | TCW: let me see |
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| 05:00.29 | TCW | anyhow... I am gone, bbl |
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| 05:01.58 | gtsts | O.O jeeeesus christ, I looked away for a moment and the huge download is finished. 4.5 GB in a matter of few minutes, yay for torrenting |
| 05:02.22 | pythos | boo for download caps |
| 05:02.49 | gtsts | Yes, booo. TWC recently changed their ToS to reflect the upcoming changes |
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| 05:03.12 | ssm | you're using the service you pay for? Shame on you :P |
| 05:03.35 | eshaase | 27MB/s |
| 05:03.59 | gtsts | For now I am (parents' house), when I get to college dorm rooms I obviously won't :) |
| 05:04.54 | neoice | so no one has advice on cleaing up lost+found? |
| 05:05.07 | ssm | neoice: you've got a lot of things in lost+found? |
| 05:05.16 | simonrvn | reading an alternate superblock won't help you there |
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| 05:05.28 | ssm | scrolls up a bit and reads |
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| 05:06.38 | ssm | if fsck puts everything in lost+found, and marks the fs as "good", I'd say your best bet is to restore from backup, or else try to sort files by hand. If you've got checksums from an IDS, that may help you rename files. |
| 05:07.11 | ssm | if you've used aide or tripwire, or similar, you'd have a path-checksum database somewhere that could be used, if you're lucky |
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| 05:10.46 | neoice | ssm: no backups, but nothing "vital." and no checksum db |
| 05:11.02 | neoice | I guess I'll just dig in. |
| 05:11.05 | neoice | only 500GB to sort! |
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| 05:11.22 | ssm | awww |
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| 05:11.26 | gtsts | may the force be with you. |
| 05:11.56 | ssm | Do you have music in there? Pictures? |
| 05:12.01 | ssm | These things have metadata that can help you |
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| 05:12.55 | ssm | neoice: there's a tool in debian called "pyrenamer" that can rename pictures based on EXIF tags, and music on its tags |
| 05:13.00 | ssm | that can help you sort a lot |
| 05:13.18 | ssm | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pyrenamer |
| 05:13.38 | neoice | its mostly backups of other machines |
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| 05:13.45 | neoice | and "assorted media" |
| 05:14.02 | ssm | "assorted media" should also have some tags :) |
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| 05:15.33 | pipingcats | Hey, is there a way I can directly upgrade debian 5 stable to debian 5 volatile? It isn't just adding the volatile repositories, is it? |
| 05:15.46 | simonrvn | yes it is... |
| 05:15.49 | ssm | pipingcats: yes |
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| 05:15.57 | simonrvn | there is no "volatile" release |
| 05:15.58 | pipingcats | Oh. Cool |
| 05:16.32 | pipingcats | Yeah, I know |
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| 05:17.35 | simonrvn | sighs |
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| 05:19.34 | WormFood | pipingcats, are you talking about the "unusable" branch of debian? |
| 05:19.43 | neoice | ssm: would the db from 'locate' be useful?? |
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| 05:19.55 | pipingcats | I might be. I need more "cutting" edge stuff than what's in stable |
| 05:20.10 | ssm | neoice: not sure if it contains anything other than pathnames |
| 05:20.47 | ssm | pipingcats: often, it's easy to backport the cutting edge stuff |
| 05:21.04 | wintix | how do i tell vim to show the intendation lines? how do i define a tab as two spaces? i've been googling around but didn't get a hit so far. |
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| 05:21.31 | pipingcats | I tried to install newer versions of a few libraries so I could work on a program, but it seems to have broken my older programs. |
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| 05:21.44 | pipingcats | so I guess I just need newer versions of everything |
| 05:21.46 | WormFood | wintix, did you try reading the vim docs? |
| 05:21.50 | ssm | wintix: in vim - :set tabstop=2 |
| 05:22.01 | ssm | WormFood: noone reads documentation anymore :P |
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| 05:22.15 | mouseclone_ | I have a quick Q. I set the Gatewat in the /etc/networking/interfaces file and it shows up in the route table, thought there is not a default route set up. I can add it manually to get everything working, on restart it fails. Any ideas? |
| 05:22.26 | WormFood | pipingcats, I suggest you don't do it, but you could always "upgrade" to unstable, aka 'sid'...or as I like to call it, "unusable" |
| 05:22.52 | WormFood | documentation? what is a big word! what does it mean? :P |
| 05:22.54 | ssm | pipingcats: that's what backports help with, you rebuild software for your own install. Check http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/scripts/backport.html, for instance |
| 05:22.55 | wintix | ssm: thank you :) |
| 05:23.04 | pipingcats | Thanks ssm |
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| 05:23.10 | wintix | WormFood: yes, i tried. maybe i just had the wrong buzzword to search for. |
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| 05:23.22 | test123 | hi faggots |
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| 05:23.33 | WormFood | wintix, the vim manual is crazy at times, but I know what you want can be set |
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| 05:23.58 | pipingcats | Where are the repositories for sid? |
| 05:24.05 | test123 | i accidentally all my filesystem. is it bad? |
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| 05:24.06 | WormFood | wintix, also, try the help inside of vim, sometimes it is also helpful t hit tab at the command input, and see what it understands. |
| 05:24.25 | simonrvn | pipingcats: they're not different. |
| 05:24.51 | pipingcats | Ah, so I just change "lenny" to "sid" in the sources.list? |
| 05:24.59 | simonrvn | test123: accidentily what, ate it? go have some antacid. |
| 05:25.00 | WormFood | wintix, try this...hit : to get into command mode, then type "set tab" and hi <tab>, and keep hitting it until you find one that looks interesting |
| 05:25.15 | test123 | i accidentally the whole filesystem |
| 05:25.15 | WormFood | now you have something to search for to learn more |
| 05:25.19 | wintix | WormFood: will do, thank you :) |
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| 05:25.22 | WormFood | hi=hit |
| 05:25.36 | simonrvn | adds another *plonk* |
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| 05:26.23 | test123 | what shoud I do now? |
| 05:26.27 | peterrooney | test123: not as bad as being derogatory upon arrival in channel. |
| 05:26.33 | simonrvn | test123: you're a lame one. go away. |
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| 05:26.47 | test123 | simonrvn excuse me? |
| 05:27.04 | pipingcats | Alright, cool. The sid repositories are working. Do I just do an update/upgrade? |
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| 05:27.18 | pipingcats | I remember there being some kind of flag that keeps you from upgrading your whole system or something. |
| 05:27.25 | mouseclone_ | any reason why the Gateway in the /etc/networking/interfaces file will not set to default? |
| 05:27.27 | WormFood | and wintix, I'm sure you know, but in case you didn't, you can save your preferences in a .vimrc file |
| 05:27.50 | pipingcats | Okay, 158 mb seems about rightish. |
| 05:27.56 | pipingcats | :3 |
| 05:29.13 | wintix | WormFood: already did. although im still looking around for indentation lines. maybe i'll get lucky :) |
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| 05:38.02 | yoshio | wintix: type ":help tabstop" in vim |
| 05:38.06 | simonrvn | ah ha, figured as much... |
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| 05:39.07 | simonrvn | that black gay jews of america org. |
| 05:39.50 | yoshio | wintix: what is "indentation line"? type ":help autoindent" - is this it? |
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| 05:40.51 | wintix | yoshio: see example here: http://www.joeflash.ca/blog/images/FB_feature_request_indent_guides_sm.jpg |
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| 05:59.28 | Typosu | I'm getting a strange error comming from mkisofs/geniso image. when my backup script is run from cron, mkisofs fails about half way through with error 141. |
| 05:59.35 | Typosu | it runs fine if I run my script manually. |
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| 06:16.55 | dserban | I have a borked machine. Don't know what to do atm. I took simonrvn's suggestion, booted my system using debian live, and rebuilt the initramfs via update-initramfs after chrooting to the drive, (after bind mounting dev and mounting proc). Worked fine, now it still won't boot. I get a kernel panic with "RAMDISK: ran out of compressed data" invalid compressed format (err=1). I've googled, but can't find much that pertains to this |
| 06:16.56 | dserban | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:25.37 | Uhriventiss | Is there much of a difference between Debian and Ubuntu? |
| 06:27.10 | Uhriventiss | No? |
| 06:27.14 | Uhriventiss | Yes? |
| 06:28.55 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:29.01 | ssm | Uhriventiss: yes and no |
| 06:29.02 | simonrvn | some things no, some yes |
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| 06:30.10 | ssm | Uhriventiss: ubuntu is based on snapshots from debian unstable, most things are ported directly, but they add a few things as well, and use other defaults for others. They also make different install disks for desktop, server, and whateverelse... |
| 06:30.18 | simonrvn | dserban: hm, sounds like it's needing to be regenerated again :(. seems that it's corrupted somehow. |
| 06:31.54 | simonrvn | dserban: initrds now use a gzipped cpio archive. you should be able to unpack it with a zcat initrd.img | cpio -i ; if not, then it's buggered in some way. |
| 06:32.01 | simonrvn | "new format" |
| 06:32.10 | Uhriventiss | Well, right now I'm Installing Debian. |
| 06:32.16 | Uhriventiss | I hope it's better than Ubuntu |
| 06:32.50 | ssm | Uhriventiss: you're on the #debian channel, what answer do you expect? :) |
| 06:32.53 | dserban | ok simonrvn will try it. |
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| 06:34.09 | Uhriventiss | I suppose you are right. |
| 06:34.22 | simonrvn | Uhriventiss: IME it is. less handholding, less getting in your way. |
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| 06:35.06 | Uhriventiss | I have used Debian before and noticed it was faster but, switched to Fedora which was at the time even more speedy and more compatible with my hardware but, I have 10 on my machine now and it won't pick up my wireless card so, no go. |
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| 06:37.18 | Uhriventiss | I'm running under Windows XP Media Center Edition until Debian gets done in... Awhile... The torrent says days, hah. But, sometimes I get good connetions |
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| 06:38.46 | Uhriventiss | Now it's six housr |
| 06:38.59 | Uhriventiss | hours |
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| 06:39.38 | Uhriventiss | Before downloading Debian I was thinking Slackware but got intimidated. |
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| 06:46.12 | yoshio | mouseclone_: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz seems to suggest adding "auto eth0" in front of any stanzas, and is the stanza where you set the gateway have soomething like "iface eth0 inet static" rather than dynamic? |
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| 06:56.24 | kamp2tux | I followed the guideline from internet, it is to disable ipv6 (edit /etc/modprobe.d/aliases) but when ismod|grep ipv6 --> and the result still showing ipv6, please advise me on how to disable ipv6 completely in my debian lenny ? TQ |
| 06:56.32 | gecko1 | how do i install debian? |
| 06:56.48 | kamp2tux | i have restart the computer after those editing |
| 06:58.11 | kamp2tux | gecko1: you may refer to http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 07:02.31 | mic_p | Hi all. I think that this is a simple RTFM, but I can't find it in the FM, so I'm here: I have lenny and squeeze into my apt and I want to stay on lenny for the "normal" operations unless I decide to install a package from squeeze. How do it? Is there the FM page somewhere? Thanks |
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| 07:03.07 | avtobiff | apt-pinning? |
| 07:03.11 | avtobiff | !apt-pinning |
| 07:03.11 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 07:08.01 | mic_p | avtobiff: yes, it's that! Thanks! |
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| 07:19.33 | mycelium | hello. can i find builded debian packages for last parrot and perl6 releases anywhere? |
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| 07:27.27 | cafuego | m/win 24 |
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| 07:36.24 | ice799 | Hi anyone awake? |
| 07:36.41 | ice799 | Does anyone know what fileformat a .deb is? I have a .deb (but no .dsc or .source or whatever) |
| 07:36.49 | ice799 | and I've done a dpkg -x on it because I need to modify something in it. |
| 07:37.08 | ice799 | once I've modified it, how can I repackage it? It looks like dpkg -b wants a control file and all that other junk |
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| 07:37.31 | ice799 | I just want to repackage it, presumably .deb's are some sort of archive that I can just build manually? |
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| 07:39.50 | yoshio | ice799: I do "ar x xxx.deb", and it breaks it into the control and data tar files |
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| 07:40.45 | jelly-home | ice799: you can dpkg --extract foo.deb somedir; dpkg --control foo.deb somedir/DEBIAN; do your stuff, then dpkg -b somedir . |
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| 07:41.34 | jelly-home | ice799: don't forget to run it inside fakeroot (or as real root) |
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| 07:47.27 | jony123 | openssh lets me connect to my machine ushing ssh over network ? |
| 07:48.49 | simonrvn | yes.. |
| 07:48.52 | battle | LOL |
| 07:49.09 | jony123 | it says it cant find it it apt-get |
| 07:49.23 | simonrvn | apt-cache search ssh |
| 07:49.57 | jony123 | apt-get install openssh-server ? is that all i need |
| 07:50.02 | pl4yer0ne | apt-cache search openssh will actually get less hits |
| 07:50.10 | jony123 | or do i have to install others to get it working good |
| 07:50.34 | pl4yer0ne | jony123, you probably just want apt-get install ssh |
| 07:50.58 | jony123 | cheers pl4yer0ne |
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| 07:58.16 | BleSS | where to add any commands to be run as root, when the system is initializing and when is going to shut down? |
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| 07:59.19 | liable | !rclocal |
| 07:59.19 | dpkg | rc.local is probably /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). |
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| 08:00.24 | BleSS | !init.d |
| 08:00.24 | dpkg | hmm... init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel>. |
| 08:00.41 | Mikaze | Anyone know what package(s) the 'type' and |
| 08:01.08 | Mikaze | 'tree' commands reside, according to the debian reference? |
| 08:01.40 | nkuttler | Mikaze: type command? /msg dpkg find for the other |
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| 08:01.47 | nkuttler | Mikaze: type as in the bash builtin? |
| 08:02.07 | nkuttler | Mikaze: er, /msg dpkg search |
| 08:02.11 | Mikaze | type and tree commands are not on my system. |
| 08:02.24 | steppenwolfii | how can i download the linux src? |
| 08:02.41 | steppenwolfii | as in apt-get install (what) |
| 08:02.50 | nkuttler | steppenwolfii: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 08:03.01 | steppenwolfii | Thanks |
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| 08:04.08 | umarzuki | hi, i got sslv3 alert handshake failure when accessing a ssl enabled server |
| 08:04.27 | umarzuki | socket.sslerror: (1, 'error:14094410:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert handshake failure') |
| 08:04.37 | umarzuki | what does it mean |
| 08:05.16 | umarzuki | and how to disable "Certificate not signed by verified certificate authority" |
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| 08:07.46 | Mikaze | !find type |
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| 08:09.07 | Mikaze | Wasn't there some kind of command to find a particular executable among the debian packages? |
| 08:09.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'type' (9 of 70): (/etc/joe/ftyperc) in editors/joe ;; (/usr/bin/pdvitype) in tex/ptex-bin ;; (/usr/bin/dntype) in net/dnet-progs ;; (/etc/htdig/mime.types) in web/htdig ;; (/usr/bin/mtype) in otherosfs/mtools ;; (/etc/psad/icmp_types) in admin/psad ;; (/usr/bin/disktype) in utils/disktype ;; (/etc/mime.types) in net/mime-support ;; (/usr/bin/type1afm) in misc/t1lib-bin. |
| 08:09.30 | nkuttler | Mikaze: er, /msg dpkg search |
| 08:10.06 | Mikaze | Thank you. |
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| 08:13.12 | Mikaze | Well, that didn't work either. |
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| 08:14.11 | Mikaze | tries the apt-cache man page. |
| 08:14.17 | skilz | Welcome Garda_ |
| 08:14.29 | Garda_ | hey |
| 08:14.42 | nsadmin | tina fey |
| 08:15.25 | Garda_ | ? |
| 08:15.34 | nsadmin | Mikaze: what didn't work? |
| 08:15.51 | nsadmin | and what means "didn't work" in this case? |
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| 08:17.02 | nsadmin | Garda_ tina fey is an actress whose name rhymes with hey |
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| 08:18.24 | skilz | damn I smoke all my yandi |
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| 08:18.56 | nsadmin | oh, apt-file |
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| 08:19.22 | Borat | hello nihil |
| 08:19.30 | Borat | my nama borat |
| 08:21.08 | nsadmin | Mikaze: you can try http://packages.debian.org or aptitude install apt-file |
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| 08:29.16 | Mikaze | nsadmin: Thought there used to be a command here that could find a particular binary within a deb package. I'm looking for the type and tree commands, as mentioned in the debian reference. |
| 08:29.34 | petemc | !search |
| 08:29.34 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking. Eg, 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install) 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online), and <help find> (bot). <dpkg search> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 08:32.18 | Mikaze | already tried apt-cache search type. got a crapload of packages, none referring to something that might contain the tree or type command. |
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| 08:34.16 | nsadmin | !info tree |
| 08:34.29 | nsadmin | judd, versions tree |
| 08:34.30 | judd | nsadmin: tree -- etch: 1.5.0-2 lenny: 1.5.2-1 sid: 1.5.2.2-1 squeeze: 1.5.2.2-1 |
| 08:34.41 | nsadmin | looks like... tree's in tree |
| 08:34.47 | ktlr | has somebody used gparted to resize an exist partition that has got an fs ? is it safe ? |
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| 08:35.51 | ktlr | i dont want to lose my datas :) |
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| 08:36.29 | ycat | use a seco0nd hdd ;) |
| 08:36.42 | ycat | for backup at least |
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| 08:38.15 | ktlr | was not important , i have started the partiton resize , i hope my datas wont be lost |
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| 08:41.05 | ktlr | they are writing on main site the gparted is safe , i hope it is really safe :) |
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| 08:42.13 | ktlr | 2 : Is it safe? Short answer: Yes, it is safe :)By using the official tools for each file system and performing extensive checks before any actual operation I think GParted is as safe as it can/should be. |
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| 08:42.49 | Mikaze | Kewl. Thanks for tree. Should've used aptitude show tree. Was hanging on the type command. If it's a bash built-in, it's not werkin. |
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| 08:43.44 | Mikaze | !info type |
| 08:43.51 | avtobiff | !type |
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| 08:44.50 | themill | type is a shell builtin |
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| 08:47.30 | Mikaze | Totally weird. Couldn't get type to work in console 2, but it works in console 6. Haven't tried the otheres. |
| 08:47.59 | nsadmin | ktlr: you have to understand what you're doing. |
| 08:48.03 | Mikaze | backgrounds this and tries it. |
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| 08:48.49 | Mikaze | Wonder why it wasn't working until now. |
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| 08:51.54 | Mikaze | Thanks, folks. Flippin thing is working now, for some odd reason. |
| 08:52.12 | ottoshmidt | who decides finally which package will be included in Debian or not? |
| 08:52.49 | nsadmin | ftp-master? |
| 08:52.49 | ottoshmidt | when releasing new version |
| 08:53.21 | nsadmin | also packages may leak out of testing back into unstable if they get bugs |
| 08:53.58 | ottoshmidt | nsadmin, and how is this process controlled? |
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| 08:54.41 | nsadmin | a bug gets filed against a package. if it's release-critical, the packages bounces |
| 08:55.02 | simonrvn | dpkg: policy |
| 08:55.02 | dpkg | it has been said that policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 08:55.21 | nsadmin | if there's a package in unstable which has been bug-free for a specific time, the package leaks into testing |
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| 08:58.50 | Tapout | what package is 'ip' include in? |
| 08:59.26 | petemc | iproute |
| 08:59.31 | Tapout | thanks |
| 08:59.51 | ottoshmidt | nsadmin, thanks guys |
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| 09:05.27 | marie_m | hello, can anyone link me to a good tutorial on making a minimal Debian install? |
| 09:06.16 | themill | marie_m: just put the installer disk in and don't select anything at the "tasksel" stage. There's not much more to it than that. |
| 09:07.55 | marie_m | I'm a bit new to Linux & was hoping to find a guide for achieving quick bootup times, installing a light WM, etc. |
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| 09:11.52 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 09:12.47 | sobersabre | what group is the group I need to add a user to for him to be able to use removable flashdisk automatic mounting, etc. ? can I do this only on gnome level ? |
| 09:12.51 | ycat | marie_m you should download the netinstall iso, install a basic system. during install, you can google your fav. wm and install it via apt-get install xxx |
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| 09:13.50 | simonrvn | sobersabre: plugdev iirc... |
| 09:14.17 | sobersabre | hmm... can I add a group to a group ? |
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| 09:15.06 | simonrvn | you add the user to the group |
| 09:15.37 | simonrvn | that *is* what you asked for, anyway, if i understood your question correctly. |
| 09:15.38 | sobersabre | simonrvn: this is a limited approach... don't you think ;-) |
| 09:15.45 | sobersabre | ? |
| 09:16.10 | simonrvn | it is what you said |
| 09:16.28 | simonrvn | "what group is the group I need to add a user..." |
| 09:16.40 | sobersabre | simonrvn: that was another question. |
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| 09:16.54 | simonrvn | only one i see |
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| 09:17.06 | majhool | i think the second was "can i add a group to a group" |
| 09:17.22 | simonrvn | as for the "only gnome level" it's "below" gnome |
| 09:17.23 | majhool | aside from yo, dawg -- no, you cannot add a group to a group as far as i know |
| 09:17.32 | simonrvn | no, you can't |
| 09:17.39 | sobersabre | simonrvn: I've seen your initial answer about plugdev. |
| 09:17.52 | majhool | the solution is to add various users to the appropriate groups as needed |
| 09:17.54 | simonrvn | np |
| 09:17.55 | sobersabre | my next question was whether I can add a group to a group. |
| 09:18.09 | simonrvn | no, you can't, like we just said |
| 09:18.35 | sobersabre | if I adopt ldap authentication, I think I could. right ? |
| 09:18.51 | majhool | well... |
| 09:18.55 | simonrvn | yes and no |
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| 09:19.16 | sobersabre | simonrvn: what does "no" refer to ? collision of ldap vs. local groups ? |
| 09:19.16 | simonrvn | you couldn't use it with plain unix groups |
| 09:19.42 | simonrvn | you still need the user/group dichotomy |
| 09:19.48 | majhool | right |
| 09:20.06 | majhool | ldap introduces its own access control layer |
| 09:20.40 | simonrvn | yup. like you could have a gorup in a group, but that would be part of the ACLs |
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| 09:20.58 | majhool | if something within ldap needs to access the rest of the system, then it runs within the "ldapusers" group |
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| 09:21.00 | simonrvn | it wouldn't be a group in a traditional sense |
| 09:21.00 | majhool | right? |
| 09:21.03 | majhool | yeah |
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| 09:21.41 | sobersabre | simonrvn: if a group has a GID and enumerat members, for UNIX it's a UNIX group... don't you think ? |
| 09:22.36 | sobersabre | so, I guess additional software would be needed to query all the group's member groups for users, and exclude duplicates... |
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| 09:22.47 | majhool | sobersabre: right. but as far as i am aware, and i am not very aware of ldap, the ldap programs run within the unix group "ldapusers" |
| 09:22.58 | majhool | regardless of whatever the internal ldap acls are |
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| 09:23.04 | simonrvn | access to dc=foo,dc=some,dc=tree dn.regex="cn=ldapadmins,ou=foobarorg,dc=some,dc=tree"\n dn.regex="cn=fooadmins,.." etc. |
| 09:23.23 | simonrvn | majhool: uh, no |
| 09:23.27 | majhool | woops |
| 09:23.44 | majhool | disregard that |
| 09:24.26 | simonrvn | you'd have to set up your node that way |
| 09:25.31 | simonrvn | (i screwed up that acl btw, missed the kind of access bits) |
| 09:26.04 | jelly | slapds simonrvn |
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| 09:26.13 | simonrvn | heh heh heh |
| 09:27.24 | simonrvn | g'morning jelly |
| 09:27.26 | majhool | simonrvn: can a node only have one gidNumber? |
| 09:27.47 | simonrvn | what? no, you can have thousands |
| 09:28.02 | simonrvn | node = your entire network |
| 09:28.25 | simonrvn | maybe should lay off the funky terminology |
| 09:28.28 | majhool | whoops again, so then the gidnumber is at the user level? |
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| 09:29.05 | simonrvn | gidnumber is that group's number. say you're in users group, that group in debian is 100, that's the gidnumber |
| 09:29.26 | omid8bimo | upgrading to 2.6.29 kernel |
| 09:29.45 | simonrvn | have fun ;p |
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| 09:30.07 | Borat | Linux ironlak 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 18:08:45 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:30.32 | simonrvn | sobersabre: how about you explain what you have in mind instead. |
| 09:30.57 | majhool | right, but i guess what i'm asking is a) gidnumber is applied at some level under the node level -- and i guess it was the user level b) gidnumber = 100,200,300 is not valid; whatever the level gid can be applied to, there can only be one |
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| 09:32.25 | simonrvn | there's a primary group a user is assigned, and then there's secondary ones, like unix groups. however, gidnumber is pretty much only used with posixAccount and shadowAccount etc. if you're doing ACLs, you're not necessarily going to be needing that stuff. |
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| 09:32.48 | creature_ | !keymap |
| 09:32.49 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 09:33.21 | majhool | ok |
| 09:33.34 | majhool | thus your question to sobersabre |
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| 09:36.09 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 09:40.51 | sobersabre | simonrvn: I've resolved my problems with unix groups. |
| 09:41.01 | sobersabre | I have a nis environment. |
| 09:41.30 | sobersabre | there was a problem with timing of nis client loading after several system daemons, so they could not see my nis groups. |
| 09:42.10 | sobersabre | It took me 1-2 iterations to realize THAT was the problem. |
| 09:42.20 | sobersabre | well 2. |
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| 09:42.22 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 09:45.19 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 09:48.20 | jony123 | anyone got any suggestions for a good guide on installing a mail server |
| 09:49.39 | bkraptor | can anyone recommend a decent window manager to replace metacity? |
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| 09:59.38 | mischief | bkraptor, compiz seems to work okay :) |
| 10:00.00 | bkraptor | can't run compiz on this low end machine |
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| 10:00.13 | bkraptor | eats up all the cpu cycles for fancy graphics stuff that I don't ned |
| 10:00.16 | bkraptor | *need |
| 10:00.24 | mischief | even for just being a wm? :x |
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| 10:02.18 | bkraptor | can't afford the window manager eating up my cpu when it's limited and I need it for other more cpu intensive work |
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| 10:04.51 | bkraptor | are portmap, rpc, exim4, atd and acpid necessary for running a light server? |
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| 10:05.49 | petemc | why do you need portmap and rpc ? |
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| 10:07.40 | bkraptor | I don't need those, but they were installed by default on a debian testing basic system |
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| 10:11.14 | EugenMayer | hello. iam trying to change the attributes for all dirs in a specific path : find -type d | xargs chmod u=r,g=r |
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| 10:11.30 | EugenMayer | now, if directories have spaces, it fails. How would i fix this expression? |
| 10:11.33 | avtobiff | EugenMayer, or |
| 10:11.53 | avtobiff | EugenMayer, find -type d -exec chmod u=r,g=r {} \; |
| 10:11.54 | nkuttler | EugenMayer: -print0 |
| 10:12.03 | EugenMayer | thank you |
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| 10:17.33 | gunkamanti_ | hi, my paranoid + tech-imbecile boss wants me to check a CD from an ex colleague to make sure there are no virii on it; i'm on debian... is there any way to check for .xls/.doc virii from here? |
| 10:17.45 | petemc | clamscanner |
| 10:18.20 | nkuttler | gunkamanti_: viruses. and disable autorun and use a windows scanner too |
| 10:18.39 | nkuttler | oh, and obviously disable that ms scripting crap |
| 10:19.00 | gunkamanti_ | well, my boss has a full-blown kaspersky on *his* machine... |
| 10:19.13 | gunkamanti_ | did i mention he's paranoid + tech-imbecile? ... |
| 10:19.24 | nkuttler | gunkamanti_: wait until he's out for lunch.. |
| 10:19.36 | gunkamanti_ | i'd at least like something to tell him when he asks me how i checked for them |
| 10:19.53 | petemc | feels ignored |
| 10:19.59 | gunkamanti_ | nkuttler: he'll lock his door then. did i mention he's paranoid? ;) |
| 10:20.01 | nkuttler | !comfort petemc |
| 10:20.01 | dpkg | There, there, petemc. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 10:20.07 | cire | I cannot find "CONFIG_ACPI_CUSTOM_DSDT_INITRD" in my /boot/config.2.6.29-2-686. Does this mean it is not set, or it is not available for this kernel? |
| 10:20.11 | gunkamanti_ | petemc: couldn't find it yet |
| 10:20.15 | petemc | clamav |
| 10:20.39 | gunkamanti_ | thx |
| 10:20.41 | nkuttler | cire: if it's not set that should appear in the config |
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| 10:21.16 | cire | so if I want to use a custom dsdt, I have to compile my own kernel? |
| 10:21.36 | nkuttler | cire: no idea what that is and which kernel includes it.. |
| 10:21.48 | cire | ok, thank you anyway |
| 10:22.16 | cire | (dsdt is part of the bios, and since my intel board has a faulty dsdt I have to fix it manually) |
| 10:23.22 | gunkamanti_ | nkuttler: yeah, somehow virii seems doubly false, i guess the correct latin plural of virus is "virus" (some strange exception, it's actually not male but neutrum). i'll stick with viruses ;) |
| 10:23.24 | ]harlekin[ | hi everyone do anybody know if there is a debian cd with only xfce |
| 10:24.21 | nkuttler | ]harlekin[: live cd or installer? |
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| 10:24.29 | gunkamanti_ | hooray, no viruses! thx guys :) |
| 10:24.31 | ]harlekin[ | installer |
| 10:24.51 | nkuttler | ]harlekin[: don't think so, can't you use netinst? |
| 10:25.56 | ]harlekin[ | of course but i want to install the system on a friends pc who uses a proxy in his student apartment which connect to the internet via a cgi page |
| 10:27.12 | nkuttler | ]harlekin[: /msg dpkg custom cd |
| 10:27.15 | cire | the feature "CONFIG_ACPI_CUSTOM_DSDT_INITRD" has been removed from debian kernels. Where can I search for a reason? Where could I ask? |
| 10:28.05 | nkuttler | cire: which kernel version? |
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| 10:28.36 | cire | I am using 2.6.26-2 and 2.6.29-2 |
| 10:29.07 | cire | 2.6.29-2 is from sid. I need it because 2.6.26 doesn't support WOL correctly here. |
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| 10:29.19 | nkuttler | sigh. you could get the kernel source package and look through the docs + patches |
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| 10:31.52 | cire | nkuttler: there it gets removed: http://www.mail-archive.com/kernel-svn-changes@lists.alioth.debian.org/msg05715.html |
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| 10:34.59 | kamp2tux_ | can debian support UDF (ISO 13346) iso image file format ? |
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| 10:36.22 | kamp2tux_ | how can i enabling debian lenny to read the contain of a iso image file in which it generated from UDF ISO13346 format (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format#Native_OS_support) |
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| 10:38.37 | adb | CONFIG_UDF_FS=m |
| 10:39.22 | adb | modprobe may do the trick |
| 10:39.24 | jelly | cire: you could try asking in #debian-kernel (irc.debian.org network) |
| 10:40.08 | jelly | kamp2tux_: mount -o loop -t udf /path/to/your.iso /some/moint/point/ ? |
| 10:40.39 | kamp2tux_ | thanks jelly |
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| 10:41.40 | jelly | kamp2tux_: "-o loop" is a generic way to treat images as block devices (to make them mountable), since udf is usually autodetected it might even work without an explicit "-t udf" |
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| 10:44.15 | gomiam | erm... is there a way to tell a Debian stock kernel to dump stack on freeze? I know it's probably a stupid question, but I'm at my wits' end about a Targa Traveller freezing on Debian-amd64 whenever I set up its Realtek 8139/C/C+ LAN interface. |
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| 10:46.54 | edoreld | I've set up "net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" in "/etc/sysctl.conf" to make it act as a router. Is there anything else I should do? (I'm trying to ping google with another host connected to this one, and it receives no response) |
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| 10:47.12 | gomiam | edoreld: you need to set up your routes accordingly |
| 10:47.47 | gomiam | I gather the computer you have set up as a router already has a "default" route to get to the world (as you are connected here) |
| 10:47.53 | edoreld | yes it has |
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| 10:48.09 | gomiam | let's suppose your "inside" interface has IP 10.0.0.1/24 |
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| 10:48.21 | edoreld | it's that one actually :) |
| 10:48.33 | edoreld | but yes please continue |
| 10:48.35 | gomiam | and let's suppose it's called eth1 |
| 10:48.56 | edoreld | ok |
| 10:49.01 | gomiam | ouch |
| 10:49.02 | gomiam | hold on |
| 10:49.08 | gomiam | I'm sticking my foot in my mouth |
| 10:49.18 | edoreld | that can't be healthy :/ |
| 10:49.34 | gomiam | it isn't... either for health or for fame ;) |
| 10:49.41 | edoreld | heh :) |
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| 10:50.11 | edoreld | I have the host I want to act as router with an "inside" interface 10.0.0.0/24 eth0 |
| 10:50.23 | gomiam | 10.0.0.1, you mean :) |
| 10:50.27 | edoreld | to which is connected my "internet-wannabe" host |
| 10:50.32 | edoreld | and yes my mistake ^_^ |
| 10:50.36 | gomiam | ok |
| 10:50.50 | edoreld | then the other interface 192.168.1.231 is connected to the network |
| 10:50.54 | edoreld | including the main router |
| 10:50.54 | gomiam | oh, ok |
| 10:51.00 | gomiam | you need to set NAT up |
| 10:51.18 | gomiam | I have had quite good results with fwbuilder |
| 10:51.19 | edoreld | ah |
| 10:51.23 | gomiam | let me check for a second |
| 10:51.37 | edoreld | I think I can use one instruction in iptables to do that, I just can't remember how was it... |
| 10:52.08 | gomiam | let me see my current iptables configuration at my work machine ;) |
| 10:52.17 | edoreld | Appreciate it :) |
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| 10:55.16 | gomiam | oh? I seem to have no policies set up... ok, starting the firewall program :/ |
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| 10:55.54 | steven_ | Hi |
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| 10:56.04 | edoreld | gomiam: lol :P |
| 10:56.17 | edoreld | iptables -t nat ... that's all I got by now..looking at man ^_^ |
| 10:56.23 | steven_ | Anyone reccomend a goog management console for managing debian Zen virtual machines ? |
| 10:56.41 | steven_ | openQRM looks good but not sure if it's still actively been developed |
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| 10:56.52 | steven_ | website not updated for a while..? |
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| 10:58.04 | gomiam | edoreld: I'm opening a private query with you in order to avoid flooding the channel |
| 10:58.09 | gomiam | is it ok with you? |
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| 10:59.17 | octoserver | crap, i have 0% free on my 27 gig / partition lol, how can i find out where all of the fiels are |
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| 10:59.42 | petemc | du |
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| 11:01.32 | mischief | octoserver, you can try cleaning downloaded packages to free some space |
| 11:02.08 | octoserver | something happened in the last day or so that filled it up |
| 11:02.21 | octoserver | just have to try to find whrer it is lol |
| 11:02.33 | gomiam | octoserver: you may want to use "find" |
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| 11:03.15 | gomiam | find -type f /thepartitionpath -exec ls -s {} \; |sort -n |
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| 11:04.13 | gomiam | back to my freezing computer... has anyone had a problem with Realtek 8139 on a Targa Traveller 82x with debian amd64? |
| 11:04.36 | petemc | gomiam: no, but have you tried a more recent kernel |
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| 11:04.59 | gomiam | petemc: currently trying 2.6.29-1-amd64 to no avail |
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| 11:05.56 | gomiam | I find it interesting that uname -a says it's 2.6.29-1-amd64 but dpkg -l tells me that I have 2.6.29-2 installed |
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| 11:06.57 | puliszka | aloha |
| 11:07.21 | puliszka | question in /et/installed_packages wich rpogram is creating the list file is the apt? |
| 11:07.35 | octoserver | my /var/log is 22 gig lol |
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| 11:09.30 | gomiam | octoserver: yay! |
| 11:09.36 | adb | 22 gig ? 100 yo logs |
| 11:09.39 | gomiam | you may want to check that out :D |
| 11:09.46 | octoserver | how do i delete in konqueror without sending to trash ? |
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| 11:09.55 | gomiam | octoserver: Shift-Del? |
| 11:10.10 | octoserver | kern.log is 8.4 gig, messeges is 8.4 gig lol |
| 11:10.19 | gomiam | (I don't know, but that's a common combination) |
| 11:10.21 | octoserver | syslog too |
| 11:10.36 | stuNNed | good morning, is there a way to see what kde packages are installed by default on a debian lenny new install? might have deleted something that is messing up kde fonts in gnome... |
| 11:10.36 | gomiam | octoserver: kern.log that big can only mean one thing... invasion |
| 11:10.51 | gomiam | stuNNed: dpkg -l |grep kde ? |
| 11:10.58 | gomiam | oh sorry |
| 11:11.02 | gomiam | you mean by default |
| 11:11.09 | stuNNed | yep, default |
| 11:11.36 | stuNNed | or reinstall kde-common or something? |
| 11:11.37 | octoserver | i deleted them and it still shows 100% used hmmm |
| 11:11.38 | gomiam | bleh, I haven't engaged my mind completely yet, today :) |
| 11:11.46 | octoserver | really? crap |
| 11:11.48 | stuNNed | heh :) |
| 11:11.56 | gomiam | octoserver: you need to cycle your logs |
| 11:12.07 | puliszka | stuNNed: dpkg --get-selections |
| 11:12.30 | gomiam | as long as the current kern.log and syslog files are being used they will still take space in disk |
| 11:12.36 | stuNNed | puliszka: thanks, will try |
| 11:12.45 | gomiam | s/space in disk/disk space/ |
| 11:12.50 | puliszka | stuNNed: dpkg --get-selections |grep kde |
| 11:13.03 | puliszka | latod majd hogy mi van install |
| 11:13.05 | puliszka | alva |
| 11:13.20 | gomiam | puliszka: that will tell him the current selections, not the default ones ;) |
| 11:14.13 | octoserver | maybe from when i was dd ing with alot of errors for hours and hours ? |
| 11:14.57 | stuNNed | puliszka: i'm looking for a meta kde package that is installed by default on a new installation |
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| 11:18.02 | edoreld | I just added a rule in iptables -> "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.0.0.0/24 -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE". However, iptables -L will not show it on output. How can I see POSTROUING rules in iptables ? |
| 11:18.52 | krushik | -t nat? |
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| 11:19.20 | edoreld | krushik: duh (at me), thanks man ;) |
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| 11:24.09 | gomiam | how do I limit the number of concurrent connections of apt? |
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| 11:25.07 | abrotman | gomiam: it kind of already is |
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| 11:25.41 | abrotman | it will only download one package at a time from a source |
| 11:26.33 | gomiam | abrotman: I'm asking because running apt-get update will freeze my computer solid |
| 11:26.55 | abrotman | when downloading? |
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| 11:27.14 | gomiam | abrotman: actually there's something wrong and I don't know what it is |
| 11:27.33 | gomiam | if I let it try and get a DHCP address, it will freeze before a minute is gone |
| 11:27.47 | gomiam | if I set it up by hand, it seems to handle ICMP correctly |
| 11:27.59 | gomiam | but it doesn't like my apt-get update |
| 11:27.59 | abrotman | so it's not an apt problem ? |
| 11:28.19 | gomiam | abrotman: no, not really. apt-get is, at the moment, just one of the symptoms |
| 11:28.29 | abrotman | have you tried aptitude? |
| 11:28.38 | gomiam | I'm trying to download kernel 2.6.18 again, since it worked |
| 11:28.46 | abrotman | does it lock the whole system? or crash your network? |
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| 11:28.53 | abrotman | gomiam: are you on lenny? |
| 11:28.56 | gomiam | system freeze |
| 11:29.09 | azeem | which kernel do you run now? |
| 11:29.10 | gomiam | currently on Debian 5.0 (.1?) amd64 |
| 11:29.13 | gomiam | 2.6.29 |
| 11:29.28 | azeem | and this is wlan? |
| 11:29.41 | gomiam | azeem: nope, Realtek 8139C |
| 11:29.49 | azeem | hrm |
| 11:29.57 | gomiam | but I just tried a PCMCIA NE2000 LAN card and it froze too |
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| 11:30.10 | gomiam | so, at least, I now know it's got worse :D |
| 11:30.23 | abrotman | gomiam: did you compile the .29 yourself? |
| 11:30.32 | gomiam | no, it's a stock kernel |
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| 11:30.43 | abrotman | but lenny doesn't officially have a .29 |
| 11:30.46 | gomiam | (8139cp is blacklisted in an attempt to make it work) |
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| 11:31.06 | gomiam | abrotman: true, true. That one's from testing |
| 11:31.07 | gomiam | O:-) |
| 11:31.13 | abrotman | it's not in testing either... |
| 11:31.18 | gomiam | no? |
| 11:31.19 | gomiam | really? |
| 11:31.21 | gomiam | checks |
| 11:31.26 | abrotman | it's in backports.org and unstable |
| 11:31.47 | gomiam | sticks foot in mouth... firmly |
| 11:32.02 | gomiam | 2.6.26 doesn't work either |
| 11:32.09 | gomiam | and that's stable := |
| 11:32.11 | gomiam | :) |
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| 11:32.55 | gomiam | heh |
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| 11:33.11 | gomiam | I'm going to try and reboot just in case |
| 11:33.17 | abrotman | gomiam: and it locks up the whole machine? really? |
| 11:33.24 | gomiam | yup |
| 11:33.49 | gomiam | if you can run Skype, I can put you through the webcam so you see it |
| 11:33.51 | gomiam | :) |
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| 11:34.17 | abrotman | uh .. no i don't run skype |
| 11:34.26 | Sertse | hi, I want to set a particular program to be able to be sudo ed |
| 11:34.28 | abrotman | wonders how the webcam would help .. if it locks up |
| 11:34.34 | gomiam | had to try it... |
| 11:34.43 | gomiam | abrotman: the webcam would be connected to my other laptop |
| 11:34.44 | gomiam | :) |
| 11:34.51 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 11:35.05 | abrotman | gomiam: lspci -nn .. what is the PCI ID of the device? |
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| 11:35.38 | gomiam | hold on while I reboot... it froze after getting 23 apt sources |
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| 11:37.00 | gomiam | (booting up 2.6.26-13lenny2 without LAN cable...) |
| 11:38.18 | gomiam | the PCI ID is 10ec:8139 |
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| 11:39.21 | gomiam | (for the "Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+" Ethernet controller device, abrotman) |
| 11:40.12 | abrotman | tha'ts cute .. the lenny kernel lists two drivers for it |
| 11:40.35 | abrotman | gomiam: you tried 8139cp and 8139too ? |
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| 11:40.59 | lo127 | after kernel compilation, how can my /vmlinux file be 52mb! and the uImage and zImage in /arc/powerpc/boot be only 2.5mb?? |
| 11:41.06 | lo127 | It can't be just the compression? |
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| 11:41.25 | gomiam | abrotman: 8139cp complains that it can't handle the card and drops it into 8139too's lap |
| 11:41.56 | gomiam | abrotman: so I blacklisted 8139cp just in case it was competing for the card |
| 11:42.03 | gomiam | I can reverse the blacklisting |
| 11:42.09 | gomiam | just in case |
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| 11:42.17 | abrotman | judd: pciid 10ec:8139 |
| 11:42.18 | judd | abrotman: [10ec:8139] is 'RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module '8139too' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8139 |
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| 11:42.47 | abrotman | gomiam: can you make it lock just by downloading a lot of stuff? |
| 11:42.51 | gomiam | yup |
| 11:42.58 | abrotman | with like wget i mean |
| 11:43.15 | gomiam | oh, let me try to get something |
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| 11:43.55 | gomiam | trying to bring it down with a 100MB file... |
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| 11:45.09 | backslash7 | Is there a solid way of having a network interface configured as dhcp and have a static ip fallback? I tried adding a "lease {}" directive inside of dhclient.conf but it doesn't work, nothing changes. Is there another way? |
| 11:46.45 | gomiam | abrotman: I didn't even need to get the file. I tried to mirror the directory (which only contains that file) and it froze already |
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| 11:47.22 | abrotman | maybe a disk problem? |
| 11:47.36 | abrotman | basically you're saying any network activity crashes the whole box? |
| 11:48.09 | gomiam | abrotman: no. ICMP might be "soft" enough not to bring it down |
| 11:48.20 | gomiam | checking |
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| 11:49.40 | gomiam | actually, just having ifup get a DHCP address guarantees the computer freezing up in about a minute |
| 11:49.48 | backslash7 | Could anyone help me with my dhcp/static fallback problem? |
| 11:49.56 | sllide | how do i force mount a NTFS filesystem? |
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| 11:50.18 | gomiam | sllide: I gather you already have NTFS support. Have you tried the -f flag? |
| 11:50.31 | backslash7 | sllide: -o force |
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| 11:50.44 | sllide | not working |
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| 11:50.57 | gomiam | sllide: what's the error message? |
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| 11:51.58 | sllide | gomiam: invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'HD' |
| 11:52.10 | gomiam | what options are you using? |
| 11:52.27 | sllide | nothing |
| 11:52.33 | sllide | the error message when i plug it in |
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| 11:52.38 | gomiam | interesting. |
| 11:52.54 | gomiam | oh, have you tried mounting it through the command line? |
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| 11:53.05 | sllide | yes |
| 11:53.06 | sllide | same error |
| 11:53.16 | sivel | anyone know of a way to "lock" a cdrom so that it doesn't open when pressing the button? |
| 11:53.33 | sivel | looking for an OS configuration or app to do this |
| 11:53.38 | sllide | hmm weard |
| 11:53.52 | sllide | after 20 attemps of unplugin and plugin it works |
| 11:53.57 | gomiam | oh |
| 11:54.05 | gomiam | strange, certainly |
| 11:54.09 | sllide | yeah kinda |
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| 11:58.11 | backslash7 | Is there a solid way of having a network interface configured as dhcp and have a static ip fallback? I tried adding a "lease {}" directive inside of dhclient.conf but it doesn't work, nothing changes. Is there another way? |
| 11:58.19 | gomiam | backslash7: checking... |
| 11:58.30 | backslash7 | gomiam: Awesome, thanks already |
| 11:58.49 | sllide | also |
| 11:59.00 | sllide | is there something that adds a option to the right click menu |
| 11:59.04 | sllide | like open terminal here |
| 11:59.14 | gomiam | sllide: no idea, sorry |
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| 11:59.19 | sllide | damn |
| 11:59.28 | sivel | I tried: echo 1 > /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/lock but that does not seem to have done anything for me |
| 11:59.39 | sllide | i hate it to CD to the dir |
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| 12:00.28 | abrotman | sivel: apt-cache search cd lock .. setcd seems promising |
| 12:00.55 | backslash7 | sllide: Google gives me plenty of results for that. Didn't you check? |
| 12:01.02 | sllide | not yet |
| 12:01.07 | sllide | i suposed some of you would know :p |
| 12:01.12 | backslash7 | nautilus-open-terminal |
| 12:01.34 | gomiam | backslash7: you may want to read http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/dhcp-fallback-ip-558036/ |
| 12:01.52 | gomiam | dhclient.conf seems to have an option for fallback IP address |
| 12:02.18 | backslash7 | gomiam: I'm having that page opened already, it's not working as I said... The dhclient.conf -> lease{} directive doesn't change anything |
| 12:02.24 | gomiam | ow |
| 12:02.26 | gomiam | sorry |
| 12:02.44 | backslash7 | Thanks anyway.. |
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| 12:02.57 | sllide | and how do i rename a folder in /media? |
| 12:03.16 | abrotman | mv |
| 12:03.17 | backslash7 | sllide: Certainly not *after* mounting a device :P |
| 12:03.27 | backslash7 | sllide: mv before mounting it, yeah. |
| 12:03.28 | sllide | it disapears when i unmount it |
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| 12:03.44 | sllide | the map has a space in it >.< |
| 12:03.45 | backslash7 | sllide: Just create a folder in /media and then mount the device yourself |
| 12:03.51 | sllide | ah! |
| 12:04.04 | sllide | my brain is not working good right now :p |
| 12:04.06 | SparFux | My aptitude says, my zaptel package is going to be removed. http://pastebin.com/d37562696 How can I find out why it would remove it? |
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| 12:06.33 | Lelo | 22222/quit |
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| 12:08.30 | Erkan | selam |
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| 12:08.46 | Erkan | acemi |
| 12:09.10 | acemi | ? |
| 12:09.18 | gomiam | backslash7: so putting something like 'lease { interface "eth0"; fixed-address 192.168.0.54; option routers 192.168.0.1; option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1; } ' in your dhclient.conf doesn't work? |
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| 12:09.35 | gomiam | backslash7: have you tried putting it in /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases? |
| 12:09.56 | Erkan | merhaba |
| 12:10.00 | gomiam | anyway, lunch time. I'll be back :P |
| 12:10.08 | Erkan | Debian ı usb diskten kurabilirmiyim |
| 12:10.31 | nkuttler | !tr |
| 12:10.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 12:10.34 | acemi | Erkan: #debian.tr |
| 12:10.47 | Erkan | pardon |
| 12:11.16 | Erkan | kanala giramiyorum |
| 12:11.21 | Erkan | daha önce atıldınız diyor |
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| 12:11.31 | Erkan | ama ben daha önce hiç girmedim ki |
| 12:11.45 | abrotman | english please |
| 12:12.04 | ottoshmidt | is there a separate image for Sid installing>? |
| 12:12.08 | abrotman | no |
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| 12:12.54 | ottoshmidt | and what are repositories? |
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| 12:14.14 | Erkan | Do usb disk to install debian? |
| 12:14.21 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 12:14.21 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/) |
| 12:14.53 | Erkan | thnks |
| 12:15.04 | abrotman | ottoshmidt: what are they? or which ones to use? |
| 12:15.05 | sllide | cool |
| 12:15.07 | sllide | !internet install |
| 12:15.11 | sllide | !cd install |
| 12:15.13 | sllide | :< |
| 12:15.15 | abrotman | !tell sllide about netinst |
| 12:15.26 | sllide | !tell sllide about yourself |
| 12:15.34 | abrotman | !tell sllide about msg the bot |
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| 12:15.38 | szonek | i have very big txt file (25GB) and i would like to delete 10000 last lines of it.. is there any easy way to do this? |
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| 12:15.50 | sllide | :O |
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| 12:15.54 | sllide | 25GB of text? |
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| 12:15.58 | szonek | yeah |
| 12:16.05 | sllide | szonek what kind of text? |
| 12:16.06 | abrotman | szonek: split has a line function |
| 12:16.09 | ottoshmidt | abrotman, I mean how can I get to unstable from lenny |
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| 12:16.21 | abrotman | ottoshmidt: if you have to ask, you shouldn't |
| 12:16.45 | szonek | sllide: connection logs |
| 12:16.50 | ottoshmidt | abrotman, I am going to have it on VM as an extra one |
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| 12:17.19 | ottoshmidt | abrotman, just to participate in testings |
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| 12:18.28 | abrotman | szonek: so if you use `wc -l foo.log` and then use split to tell it to split on the number of lines - 10000 |
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| 12:22.14 | stuNNed | what packages do i need to install to make kde look nice in gnome? |
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| 12:23.16 | eagles0513875 | hey guys where can i get the source code for apt im building my own linux version using linux from scratch as the guide |
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| 12:27.58 | abrotman | eagles0513875: http://bzr.debian.org/apt/ .. i guess |
| 12:28.01 | szonek | abrotman: okay i will try that |
| 12:28.09 | eagles0513875 | abrotman: :) will check there |
| 12:28.43 | eagles0513875 | i use kubuntu and love it kubuntu as well as debian in general |
| 12:28.48 | eagles0513875 | granted i never tried debian |
| 12:29.05 | abrotman | kubuntu probably has its own apt source code |
| 12:29.22 | eagles0513875 | ya it does but im not sure if i wanna based my linux from scratch distro off kubuntu |
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| 12:29.43 | eagles0513875 | they do heavy kernel modifications that you have to use their kernel source code with their mods |
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| 12:30.14 | eagles0513875 | whats worse i tried to install kde 4.3 from svn source and was told that i couldnt get support from the kubuntu community |
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| 12:31.01 | lupine_86 | eagles0513875, sounds about right |
| 12:31.18 | abrotman | we'd tell you the same thing |
| 12:31.25 | abrotman | well .. at least regarding the kde bits |
| 12:31.30 | eagles0513875 | reason im going about linux from scratch is to learn more about the inner workings of linux |
| 12:31.44 | eagles0513875 | abrotman: ya just read about that in my linux cert book about debian |
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| 12:32.24 | abrotman | read that we wouldn't support self-compiled binaries? |
| 12:32.34 | sllide | i cannot view the folder i mounted my HD to |
| 12:32.37 | eagles0513875 | no about desktops |
| 12:32.44 | abrotman | what about them? |
| 12:33.01 | eagles0513875 | that debian is more commandline and these derived distros added them to their debian based versions |
| 12:33.10 | abrotman | uh .. not quite .. i'd stop reading that book |
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| 12:33.59 | eagles0513875 | its a sybex book |
| 12:33.59 | abrotman | and? |
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| 12:34.21 | eagles0513875 | basically what it says is debian doesnt emphasize flashy gui installation or config tools |
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| 12:34.23 | eagles0513875 | anyway im out for now |
| 12:34.23 | abrotman | eagles0513875: it doesn't mean they aren't available .. they're there for people to use |
| 12:34.23 | eagles0513875 | thanks for the link to bzr btw |
| 12:34.32 | eagles0513875 | i know but tbh i could live without a gui lol |
| 12:34.33 | abrotman | sounds like an awful book |
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| 12:34.54 | eagles0513875 | just that part introducing debian |
| 12:34.58 | eagles0513875 | im on to reading about dpkg commands |
| 12:35.01 | eagles0513875 | i gtg be back later |
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| 12:35.23 | eagles0513875 | keep up the good work though on debian :) |
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| 12:36.15 | sllide | how do i open the folder where my HD is mounted |
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| 12:37.06 | backslash7 | sllide: lol you're still on that? I just came back from lunch xD |
| 12:37.20 | backslash7 | sllide: cd <folder_where_your_HD_is_mounted> ? |
| 12:37.27 | sllide | not working |
| 12:37.30 | backslash7 | :O |
| 12:37.32 | sllide | i havent got the premision |
| 12:37.39 | backslash7 | su then |
| 12:37.44 | sllide | su? |
| 12:37.50 | backslash7 | get superuser = root |
| 12:37.53 | sllide | aha |
| 12:37.55 | backslash7 | type 'su' to get root |
| 12:38.03 | backslash7 | become root |
| 12:38.09 | sllide | xD |
| 12:38.10 | sllide | su |
| 12:38.11 | sllide | lol |
| 12:38.13 | backslash7 | xD |
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| 12:38.27 | sllide | i still cant enter it :/ |
| 12:38.38 | puliszka | nagios gurus? |
| 12:38.38 | backslash7 | sllide: also, you might install "pmount" to mount devices as a normal user |
| 12:38.46 | sllide | k |
| 12:38.58 | backslash7 | sllide: You still can't? I can't imagine that... Are you root now? |
| 12:39.14 | sllide | yes |
| 12:39.15 | sllide | su |
| 12:39.18 | sllide | and then pass |
| 12:39.22 | backslash7 | Exactly |
| 12:39.30 | backslash7 | now your cursor says # right ? |
| 12:39.32 | backslash7 | not $ anymore |
| 12:39.39 | sllide | yes |
| 12:39.46 | nsadmin | puliszka: |
| 12:39.51 | backslash7 | cd <folder> says permission denied? |
| 12:39.52 | nsadmin | !anyone use |
| 12:39.53 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 12:40.00 | nsadmin | !anyone |
| 12:40.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search>, or <htasq> |
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| 12:40.28 | codingrobot | what permissions do a user need to send a signal (HUP) to a process owned by another user ? |
| 12:40.40 | gomiam | codingrobot: probably root :) |
| 12:40.49 | sllide | hmm |
| 12:40.56 | sllide | i installed pmount |
| 12:40.58 | sllide | now i can enter it |
| 12:41.02 | sllide | but i cant see any files |
| 12:41.03 | gomiam | but my signal() use is rusty, so I may be mistaken. |
| 12:41.25 | codingrobot | root is not a good answer :) |
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| 12:41.34 | backslash7 | sllide: Make sure you unmount it first, then exit su (become normal user) and then mount it using pmount |
| 12:41.44 | sllide | aha! |
| 12:41.45 | sllide | tnx |
| 12:41.46 | sllide | xD |
| 12:41.46 | backslash7 | it will most likely mount it under /media/sdxx |
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| 12:46.47 | sllide | it still mount to the map with the space |
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| 12:47.40 | backslash7 | sllide: What's wrong? "map with the space" ? |
| 12:48.30 | sllide | my map has a space in it |
| 12:48.51 | sllide | so it doesnt work right in terminal |
| 12:49.16 | abrotman | quote it? |
| 12:49.31 | backslash7 | sllide: This\ is\ a\ test |
| 12:49.37 | backslash7 | sllide: map meaning folder? |
| 12:49.40 | sllide | yes |
| 12:49.41 | sllide | folder |
| 12:49.44 | abrotman | directory! |
| 12:49.45 | backslash7 | oh ok sorry |
| 12:49.48 | backslash7 | REALLY? |
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| 12:49.49 | backslash7 | :D |
| 12:49.58 | macrobat | you can "escape" a space if you put a "\" in front of it |
| 12:49.59 | abrotman | less enter key please ... |
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| 12:50.20 | backslash7 | abrotman: moar plz |
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| 12:50.29 | ultraj6 | MOAR |
| 12:50.50 | sllide | how can i let it mount to a orther folder |
| 12:51.08 | backslash7 | sllide: How are you mounting it, pmount /dev/sdxx? |
| 12:51.16 | sllide | yes |
| 12:51.21 | sllide | pmount /dev/sdb1 |
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| 12:51.54 | backslash7 | pmount /dev/sdb1 newname will mount it to /media/newname |
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| 12:52.17 | backslash7 | sllide: rtfm. 'pmount -h' or 'man pmount' know everything |
| 12:52.37 | BleSS | is there any command to get the info. of your system? cpu, memory |
| 12:52.44 | abrotman | !tell BleSS about whats my hardware |
| 12:52.53 | BleSS | !tell |
| 12:53.00 | abrotman | BleSS: see what the bot told you |
| 12:53.03 | BleSS | abrotman: thanks |
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| 12:54.42 | skyl | how can I find the ./configure options that were used in building my .deb? |
| 12:55.13 | nsadmin | skyl: get the source, read debian/rules |
| 12:55.16 | sllide | backslash7 not working |
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| 12:55.23 | skyl | nsadmin ah, thanks |
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| 12:55.52 | nsadmin | that will usually (yes, that's -usually-) have the configure invocation) |
| 12:55.53 | backslash7 | sllide: Didn't know linux gives such helpless error messages... |
| 12:56.19 | gomiam | yay, I managed to make my Targa die just by plugging the ethernet cable :D |
| 12:56.19 | nsadmin | skyl: what is the packagename? |
| 12:56.29 | abrotman | gomiam: a toshiba? |
| 12:56.30 | skyl | nginx nsadmin |
| 12:56.31 | gomiam | I wonder what the hell I have do to make it fail |
| 12:56.38 | abrotman | runs in horror |
| 12:56.40 | gomiam | abrotman: Targa Traveller |
| 12:56.50 | abrotman | gomiam: it worked fine with etch? |
| 12:56.53 | gomiam | s/I have do/I have done/ |
| 12:56.55 | gomiam | abrotman: yup |
| 12:56.56 | nsadmin | skyl: ok, apt-get source nginx |
| 12:57.04 | skyl | I am trying to build nginx from source with different options but I want the layout to be just like I had used the package manager |
| 12:57.08 | gomiam | abrotman: it worked ok up to 2.6.17 |
| 12:57.10 | nsadmin | and be in a dir you want to put the source |
| 12:57.11 | abrotman | gomiam: and there's nothing in the logs? |
| 12:57.11 | gomiam | oops 2.6.18 |
| 12:57.24 | gomiam | abrotman: that's what I'm going to check |
| 12:57.42 | skyl | I'm trying to drop it in with different configure options without having to really change any of my configuration locations |
| 12:57.47 | gomiam | start up computer, tail -f /var/log/messages, plug calbe, see what happens :) |
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| 12:57.54 | nsadmin | skyl: then why not just rebuild the package after altering debian/rules? |
| 12:57.58 | sllide | backslash7 what if i start over |
| 12:58.00 | abrotman | might want to do syslog also |
| 12:58.00 | sllide | remove all changes |
| 12:58.08 | sllide | and then you help me? |
| 12:58.17 | abrotman | gomiam: all the NICs are PCMCIA ? |
| 12:58.38 | gomiam | abrotman: nope. Current one is PCI |
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| 12:59.00 | skyl | nsadmin ah, you are good |
| 12:59.16 | gomiam | interesting: I get several complaints from dhcdbd ... |
| 12:59.22 | nsadmin | skyl: I have that effect on people :) |
| 12:59.26 | gomiam | but it still keeps ticking |
| 12:59.31 | gomiam | ok time to do the next test |
| 12:59.34 | backslash7 | sllide: Just give me the exact error message so I can actually understand what's going on. |
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| 13:00.02 | sllide | there is none |
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| 13:00.07 | sllide | uuh |
| 13:00.08 | skyl | I'm glad I am doing my homework instead of jumping off on 1 of 10 lesser options that I was about to go off on :) |
| 13:00.10 | sllide | i got one once |
| 13:00.13 | sllide | at the start |
| 13:00.16 | sllide | with pmount |
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| 13:00.31 | octane- | sllide: the enter key. don't abuse it :) |
| 13:00.38 | gomiam | (use "screen" to split console in three, run tcpdump, run tail -f /var/log/messages, run dhclient3) |
| 13:01.03 | macrobat | sllide: man pmount says you have to be a member of the plugdev group to use it |
| 13:01.12 | nsadmin | skyl: I would run these commands at the source tree root when I'm ready to build the package... |
| 13:01.18 | nsadmin | debian/rules clean |
| 13:01.19 | sllide | :p |
| 13:01.25 | nsadmin | debian/rules build |
| 13:01.29 | nsadmin | debian/rules binary |
| 13:01.34 | gomiam | and system dies... again. Yay! |
| 13:01.34 | nsadmin | (then look in ..) |
| 13:01.34 | gomiam | XD |
| 13:01.43 | sllide | now i mounted it to disk1 |
| 13:01.44 | orion_x11 | I have tried to connect two machines through a crossover cable. They both run debian (a PC and a laptop) > I have configured the PC with 192.168.0.1 and made this a gw for the laptop. I also have issued these commands > modprobe iptable_nat; iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE ;echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward But have not succeeded yet to get internet connection for the laptop. I have searched a lot in google and I think I |
| 13:01.44 | orion_x11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.47 | sllide | with pmount |
| 13:01.49 | sllide | and cant use it |
| 13:01.52 | sllide | erm open |
| 13:02.05 | gomiam | orion_x11: hold on |
| 13:02.23 | gomiam | try checking the script at http://es.tldp.org/Manuales-LuCAS/doc-iptables-firewall/doc-iptables-firewall-html/#32 |
| 13:02.41 | gomiam | (ok, the explanations are in Spanish, but the script is quite simple |
| 13:02.56 | skyl | nsadmin this is after I edit the rules ... I don't know what happens as ``then look in`` though |
| 13:02.57 | backslash7 | sllide: Unmount everything using "su" and then "umount /dev/sdb1" |
| 13:03.31 | backslash7 | sllide: Then use 'pmount /dev/sdb1 name' to mount your disk at /media/name |
| 13:03.34 | nsadmin | skyl: you'll see somethign in .. after you do all that |
| 13:03.59 | gomiam | orion_x11: you may need "iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.0/24 -i eth0 -j ACCEPT" before running the masquerade command... |
| 13:04.17 | skyl | nsadmin ah, okay, the .deb I would suspect, we shall see; thanks a lot for the help |
| 13:04.37 | gomiam | (since they are different tables, order may not be relevant |
| 13:04.42 | nsadmin | right. dpkg --help to see how to install (and other tricks dpkg can do) |
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| 13:05.28 | themill | orion_x11: just use the ipmasq package instead |
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| 13:09.56 | giles_ | heya all |
| 13:10.01 | giles_ | bit of a strange question |
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| 13:10.30 | careta | hello |
| 13:10.30 | giles_ | is it possible to rebuild a deb from a installed package |
| 13:10.31 | gomiam | is it usual that connecting an interface that is not yet set up generates a lot of IP6 and multicast traffic? |
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| 13:10.35 | giles_ | we've got a custom kernel on a few old boxes |
| 13:10.43 | gomiam | giles_: yup, it is... something like dpkg-rebuild, but let me check |
| 13:10.49 | giles_ | but I can't find the source deb |
| 13:10.57 | giles_ | wow coolio |
| 13:11.08 | giles_ | man paging |
| 13:11.09 | careta | i want to setup an encrypted partition, however i'm not using an initramfs. I have included the dm-crypt module, do I need to include the encryption algorithms (aes, etc)? |
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| 13:11.56 | skyl | nsadmin so then I can dpkg -i to install? How can I remove and go back to the package manager version if needed? (hope I'm not being too needy but this is changing my life :) ) |
| 13:12.17 | gomiam | giles_: there is a dpkg-rebuild command, it seems |
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| 13:13.30 | giles_ | ah it seems to relate to rebuilding the package listings |
| 13:13.42 | giles_ | i have the .config file for this custom kernel |
| 13:13.58 | giles_ | shouldn't be too hard to rebuild it |
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| 13:15.01 | orion_x11 | gomiam: I issued that command, but did not work |
| 13:15.07 | orion_x11 | :-( |
| 13:15.08 | azeem | giles_, gomiam: It's dpkg-repack |
| 13:15.18 | gomiam | azeem: thanks. |
| 13:15.33 | orion_x11 | themill: Could you explain better? |
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| 13:16.16 | giles_ | tx azeem i'm taking a lok |
| 13:16.20 | giles_ | look even |
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| 13:17.06 | gomiam | orion_x11: did you try to follow the script I pointed you to? |
| 13:17.22 | themill | orion_x11: give up on all your custom iptables rules on the machine that's doing the NAT for you (from what you say, I think that's your desktop) and "aptitude install ipmasq ; invoke-rc.d start ipmasq". The ipmasq package will configure NAT and packet forwarding for you |
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| 13:19.26 | orion_x11 | gomiam: I had a look in the script, but what I want is very simple > only to get internet access in my laptop through my pc which uses wireless wlan0 |
| 13:19.49 | gomiam | orion_x11: then that script should be enough for you (up to and including the echo 1 >.... line) |
| 13:20.02 | themill | or just install ipmasq |
| 13:20.04 | gomiam | the rest are extras you don't really need. |
| 13:20.12 | gomiam | or just install ipmasq, as themill says |
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| 13:20.44 | orion_x11 | I have already ipmasq in my pc debian |
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| 13:20.58 | gomiam | orion_x11: and... is it running? |
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| 13:22.37 | skyl | debian/rules binary actually makes the deb file? |
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| 13:23.59 | maligor | I'd use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:24.24 | maligor | but that'll build it also in most cases |
| 13:24.37 | fluxdude | how do I query what packages require a given package or which packages the given package itself requires? |
| 13:24.44 | fluxdude | man dpkg is not clear on this |
| 13:25.40 | orion_x11 | gomiam: themill I get this message when I run "./ipmasq restart": > Initializing IP Masquerading...Using intrapositioned negation (`--option ! this`) is deprecated in favor of extrapositioned (`! --option this`). |
| 13:25.45 | maligor | fluxdude, apt-cache depends <packagename> and apt-cache rdepends <packagename> |
| 13:26.11 | acemi | fluxdude: aptitude why |
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| 13:26.20 | orion_x11 | gomiam: themill ????!!! what does that mean? |
| 13:26.44 | fluxdude | maligor: thx |
| 13:26.46 | fluxdude | acemi: thx |
| 13:26.51 | gomiam | orion_x11: that's a warning. You should change some file to fit the new syntax |
| 13:26.56 | fluxdude | manning apt-cache again |
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| 13:27.25 | careta | i want to setup an encrypted partition, however i'm not using an initramfs. I have included the dm-crypt module, do I need to include the encryption algorithms (aes and sha-256)? |
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| 13:28.24 | orion_x11 | gomiam: the problem is: which file? |
| 13:28.39 | orion_x11 | and how? |
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| 13:29.22 | gomiam | orion_x11: actually I don't know which file. What it wants you to do is change something of the form "--option ! whatever" to "! --option whatever" |
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| 13:30.26 | gomiam | abrotman: interesting... stopping and restarting dhcdbd service (apparently required by dhcp3) makes the system work correctly |
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| 13:30.38 | abrotman | cute |
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| 13:31.20 | gomiam | abrotman: I still get a lot of "message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.somethingorother" |
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| 13:31.26 | gomiam | but at least it doesn't hang any more |
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| 13:32.30 | gomiam | heh, called victory too soon |
| 13:32.42 | gomiam | apt-get upgrade and... freeze! Yay! |
| 13:32.43 | gomiam | XD |
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| 13:36.13 | themill | orion_x11: I have never run ipmasq directly like that. Only "invoke-rc.d ipmasq restart". |
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| 13:39.03 | orion_x11 | themill: when I run "invoke-rc.d ipmasq restart" it gives me the same message > root@localhost:/etc/init.d# invoke-rc.d ipmasq restart |
| 13:39.03 | orion_x11 | Initializing IP Masquerading...Using intrapositioned negation (`--option ! this`) is deprecated in favor of extrapositioned (`! --option this`). |
| 13:39.03 | orion_x11 | Using intrapositioned negation (`--option ! this`) is deprecated in favor of extrapositioned (`! --option this`). |
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| 13:40.26 | themill | dpkg: tell orion_x11 about paste |
| 13:40.39 | orion_x11 | Sorry |
| 13:41.04 | themill | orion_x11: lenny? What's the output of "readlink -f /bin/sh" |
| 13:41.36 | orion_x11 | themill: not lenny, but squeeze here |
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| 13:42.38 | orion_x11 | the output is "/bin/sh" |
| 13:42.44 | themill | eh? |
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| 13:44.32 | orion_x11 | I think that I have to change that option, but I do not know where. |
| 13:44.59 | orion_x11 | google does not have any answer for that. |
| 13:45.09 | orion_x11 | :-( |
| 13:46.27 | tdn | I am trying to make use of my geode aes engine by using LUKS/dmcrypt for encrypted partitions. But for some reason it does not work with the geode_aes module loaded. |
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| 13:48.21 | tdn | Here is terminal log of what I have tried: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/P1310.html |
| 13:48.24 | mouseclone | I asked this last night in chan but don't think that I ever got a response. Is there a way to get the gatway in /etc/networks/interfaces to be the default gateway. It doesn't seem to take? any Ideas? |
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| 13:48.57 | bzed | mouseclone: put your network/interfaces into a pastebin please |
| 13:49.02 | themill | orion_x11: I still can't fathom "readlink -f /bin/sh" giving /bin/sh as the output on a debian box. What does "ls -l /bin/sh" give? |
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| 13:49.13 | mouseclone | kk one sec |
| 13:49.22 | tdn | mouseclone, you just add a line gateway <address> ? |
| 13:49.46 | bzed | mouseclone: the gateway option should always be the default gateway |
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| 13:50.05 | orion_x11 | themill: > "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2009-05-29 10:52 /bin/sh -> bash" |
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| 13:50.54 | themill | right... so there's no way that "readlink -f /bin/sh" would give "/bin/sh" then. That's on mystery solved at least. |
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| 13:51.14 | mouseclone | tdn, bzed: it is not working.. I still have to do ifconfig eth0 default gw 10.254.1.1 to get it to work.. and yes gateway 10.254.1.1 is in the interfaces file |
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| 13:52.54 | orion_x11 | themill: do you think tha ipmasq has a bug? |
| 13:53.00 | orion_x11 | Here? |
| 13:53.20 | bzed | mouseclone: show me your interfaces file please |
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| 13:53.52 | orion_x11 | I do not know how to deal with that strange warning |
| 13:53.58 | themill | orion_x11: ipmasq has exactly the same version in lenny and squeeze as does bash. It's hard to see how there could be a difference with these... but I'm not sure what's generating that message |
| 13:54.21 | mouseclone | /etc/network/interfaces - http://pastebin.com/m3beba4e0 |
| 13:54.46 | themill | !dbugs 528736 |
| 13:54.49 | orion_x11 | themill: I get that message during the boot as well |
| 13:54.51 | dpkg | #528736:M[iptables] intrapositioned vs. extrapositioned (fixed-upstream); Fri, 15 May 2009 03:57:07 UTC [523627] |
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| 13:54.54 | themill | orion_x11: ^^ |
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| 13:56.50 | orion_x11 | themill: Is dpkg saying that it was a bug? If so, how do I fix this bug in my machine? |
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| 13:57.02 | themill | t orion_x11bts |
| 13:57.09 | themill | gah |
| 13:57.15 | themill | dpkg, tell orion_x11 about bts |
| 13:57.20 | abrotman | close ... |
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| 13:57.42 | mouseclone | bzed: any idea? |
| 13:58.11 | themill | abrotman: outgoing rewriting failed... nfc why |
| 13:58.12 | k1ckn1ck | I am currently trying to upgrade my kernel, from 2.4.27 to 2.6.18, during the kernel booting it crashes at Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20. I have tried to use a knoppix cd to boot straight after to get the dmesg logs of the failed boot, but that stops during the udev setup. After enabling bootd and seeing the log. could it possibly be the sata causing the problem? I am currently only using ide. I have pastebin a copy of the boot log http://pastebin.co |
| 13:58.40 | k1ckn1ck | I am still able to boot into my original kernel |
| 13:59.16 | themill | ahh... missed the space between the nick and the factoid name. *sigh* |
| 13:59.50 | themill | k1ckn1ck: your message was truncated halfway through the pastebin URL |
| 14:00.06 | k1ckn1ck | http://pastebin.com/m450cbd8e sorry |
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| 14:00.22 | bzed | mouseclone: that should just work well |
| 14:00.31 | maligor | 2.6.18 is a very old kernel tho |
| 14:00.44 | maligor | I think around that time it had .. growing pains |
| 14:01.00 | k1ckn1ck | i am currently running etch, and need to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel before i can dist-upgrade to lenny |
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| 14:01.25 | k1ckn1ck | i made the mistake of leaving "stable" in the sources.list without dist-upgrading |
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| 14:01.56 | bzed | mouseclone: probably there are some weird invisible control characters in front of the gateway part? |
| 14:02.03 | mouseclone | ok.. when I do a route i do not see a default route. I just see the one that is in the interface file, but I am not able to route outside of the network. If i do a route add default gw <ip address> then it will route outside |
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| 14:02.08 | bzed | mouseclone: otherwise I can't see a reason why this should not work |
| 14:02.33 | themill | k1ckn1ck: you might do better to upgrade to a sarge 2.6 kernel first |
| 14:02.47 | mouseclone | bzed: well I have a tab, sure I try removing it? |
| 14:03.10 | bzed | mouseclone: a tab should not be a problem |
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| 14:03.17 | bzed | mouseclone: I thought about things like \0 |
| 14:03.55 | bzed | mouseclone: whats the output of ip route or route -n after ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 ? |
| 14:04.01 | mouseclone | bzed: ok, well it was pretty much type the line, return, tab, |
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| 14:04.30 | themill | k1ckn1ck: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-upgrade-from-2.4 |
| 14:04.30 | applex | allo |
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| 14:04.43 | applex | anyone know about clamav ? |
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| 14:05.11 | abrotman | what if they do? |
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| 14:05.41 | applex | sorry, any one to know how to clean iframe virus on debian ? |
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| 14:06.02 | mouseclone | bzed: http://pastebin.com/d2f7d4440 |
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| 14:06.19 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ....how can i show a process thats hidden in the terminal ???? |
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| 14:06.30 | abrotman | it shouldn't be hidden |
| 14:06.32 | bzed | mouseclone: theres the default route missing, indeed |
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| 14:06.47 | azeem | cobra-the-joker: you mean it got backgrounded? |
| 14:06.49 | bzed | cobra-the-joker: what do you mean by hidden? |
| 14:07.00 | cobra-the-joker | yes ...i meen backgrounded |
| 14:07.06 | azeem | cobra-the-joker: run "jobs" |
| 14:07.28 | cobra-the-joker | nothing ..... |
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| 14:07.47 | bzed | mouseclone: probably delete the gateway line and add it again at some other place. I still think that there's something broken in your interfaces file |
| 14:07.48 | mouseclone | bzed: I can script it out to that init will start it but I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't a dumb ass admin. I still could be, but as long as you don't see it either, I know i'm not crazy |
| 14:07.52 | cobra-the-joker | but actually aptitude is running and downloading from the internet ...and the apt lock is locked |
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| 14:08.25 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody. I got a question about MX server. If I got 3 MX (10, 20, 30) servers, 10 and 20 are down, so mails are going to 30. If 20 comes back up, a dequeue command on 30 will send emails to 20 or will it wait for 10 to be up ? |
| 14:08.44 | henry-nicolas | (assuming we are using Postfix SMTP servers) |
| 14:08.58 | bzed | mouseclone: otherweise I'm out of clues. the file you've pasted should just work fine |
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| 14:09.56 | mouseclone | bazed: ok, I was out of ideas as well. took me 2 hours to figure out the default gateway issue. made me feel really dumb. would using gw instead of gateway make a difference? |
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| 14:12.10 | jhambo | hmmm... openoffice impress is unbearably slow. I frequently find myself having to wait 3 minutes to do anything when it decides to autosave and sometimes moving a figure a few inches means waiting for 3-5 minutes... Powerpoint running on XP through virtualbox is faster! What the heck...? |
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| 14:13.03 | hjb2 | jhambo: like.... *impressive* |
| 14:13.06 | themill | jhambo: which version of OOo? |
| 14:13.08 | hjb2 | scnr |
| 14:13.41 | jhambo | themill: the etch one, 2.4 |
| 14:13.46 | cobra-the-joker | i have known that the process's ID ...how can i view it in terminal ?? |
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| 14:14.15 | jhambo | hjb2: impressively slow... |
| 14:14.22 | themill | jhambo: etch had 2.0. Perhaps pastebin the output of "dpkg -l openoffice.org\* ; apt-cache policy" |
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| 14:14.57 | abrotman | bpo had an OO backport for etch IIRC |
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| 14:15.17 | mouseclone | bzed: do you think that the order would have anything to do with it. placing gateway after address, or something like that. I know it doesn't make since but I'm grabbing at straws here. |
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| 14:15.55 | themill | abrotman: yes. But the available data are contradictory so I'm looking for more... |
| 14:16.13 | abrotman | scientists .. pfft |
| 14:16.27 | abrotman | gives themill a cowboy belt buckle |
| 14:16.41 | themill | yeehaw! |
| 14:17.10 | abrotman | themill: http://www.garycralle.com/Cowboy-belt-buckle.jpg |
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| 14:18.36 | bzed | mouseclone: no, order doesn;t make a difference |
| 14:18.43 | mouseclone | bzed: what about ipv6? think that would cause my issue? I think that it is enabled. I will have to check if disabling it would work.. |
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| 14:18.50 | bzed | mouseclone: no |
| 14:19.34 | bzed | mouseclone: the only idea I have is that you have some weirch characters in that file |
| 14:19.34 | mouseclone | ok |
| 14:19.41 | jhambo | themill: hmm maybe I installed packages from OO website? Can't quite remember... http://paste.debian.net/38379/ |
| 14:19.53 | bzed | xxd /etc/network/interfaces is probably interesting to look at |
| 14:19.56 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman ... i want to view the process in the terminal ...i have its ID |
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| 14:20.01 | cobra-the-joker | how can i ? |
| 14:20.10 | mouseclone | well I will delete it and rebuild again. don't know what I could have done. Maybe I will just use a space instead of a tab. |
| 14:20.13 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: did you background it? was it yours to start with ? |
| 14:20.19 | mouseclone | but everything else reads fine out of the file |
| 14:20.25 | cobra-the-joker | aha |
| 14:21.06 | themill | jhambo: more likely you're actually running lenny (or an etch/lenny mix. ugh). The output of "apt-cache policy" would be handy... |
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| 14:21.09 | mouseclone | and if something isn't typed correctly debian barks about it being unable to read the interface file. maybe your right about the hidden ctrl+? |
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| 14:21.31 | bzed | mouseclone: out the output of xxd /etc/network/interfaces in a pastebin :) |
| 14:22.12 | jhambo | themill: oh yeah! doh! I'm running lenny |
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| 14:23.16 | mouseclone | bzed: ok I will have to get that later. the hex dump will tell me if I have a ctrl char in the file. I assume that is what you are saying |
| 14:23.26 | themill | jhambo: you might like to look at the OOo3.0.1 packages that backports.org has for lenny then. Impress is a lot better and quite a few things to do with saving are faster due to the use of a better xslt parser |
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| 14:23.33 | bzed | mouseclone: yeah :) |
| 14:23.49 | bzed | mouseclone: thats the only idea I have |
| 14:24.08 | bzed | mouseclone: or there is some other program running and messing with your settings... like uh... network-manager |
| 14:24.10 | themill | mouseclone: I've not been following... but also check that you don't have an iptables rule that's stopping it all from working |
| 14:24.22 | mouseclone | i can get to it.. the guy finally put the net in for me.. thank god |
| 14:24.28 | bzed | themill: iptables rules don't stop ifup from setting the default route |
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| 14:24.55 | themill | bzed: is that what's happening? I thought it was just that the route didn't seem to be working |
| 14:25.05 | bzed | no |
| 14:25.08 | bzed | it doesn't exist |
| 14:25.12 | themill | ok, ignore me then! |
| 14:25.19 | bzed | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.23 | themill | ;( |
| 14:25.39 | bzed | but you asked for it! |
| 14:25.46 | mouseclone | bzed: http://pastebin.com/d4135619d hex dump |
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| 14:26.13 | mouseclone | themill: shouldn't have network manager running no gnome or kde |
| 14:26.23 | jetscreamer | greetings earthlings |
| 14:26.41 | creature_ | how do you connect to wlan? |
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| 14:26.52 | creature_ | i see the wlan i wanna connect to in iwlist scan |
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| 14:28.43 | jhambo | themill: Thanks for the tip. I'll do that ..._after_ my talk today... wouldn't want to tempt fate by trying a new install the day of... ;) |
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| 14:29.33 | bzed | mouseclone: hmm that's all fine |
| 14:29.37 | bzed | mouseclone: I'm out of clues |
| 14:29.42 | bzed | or as blind as you :) |
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| 14:30.12 | themill | jhambo: err... quite. BTW if you're using ppt format rather than odp, then you'll find that saving is much slower anyway. (But moving objects shouldn't be as slow as you describe.) |
| 14:30.45 | mouseclone | bzed: I have 3 servers doing the same thing. BTW. they were all installed using a netinstall. one from default debian repos and 2 from gatech repos |
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| 14:30.59 | mouseclone | bzed: do I'm clueless. |
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| 14:32.04 | mouseclone | well I will fix it with a script. best thing that I know to do. |
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| 14:32.25 | bzed | mouseclone: what is gatech? |
| 14:32.33 | bzed | mouseclone: ad what did you install?lenny? |
| 14:32.56 | mouseclone | bzed: the GA tech here in Atlanta keeps a repo for debian |
| 14:33.05 | mouseclone | bzed: yes lenny |
| 14:33.42 | bzed | mouseclone: never had that problem... |
| 14:33.50 | bzed | mouseclone: I'm really out of clues... |
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| 14:35.06 | mouseclone | bzed; it is all good. I will go home and play with a VM and see if I can't get it to happen there as well. for now I will fix it with an init script file to make sure that it always gets added. |
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| 14:37.34 | orion_x11 | where is iptables file in debian? I have looked in /etc and it is not there |
| 14:37.47 | creature_ | what iptables file |
| 14:37.51 | creature_ | dpkg -L iptables |
| 14:37.52 | dpkg | ii iptables 2.6-4 creature_'s private porn collection |
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| 14:38.02 | creature_ | oh that |
| 14:39.32 | orion_x11 | configuration file |
| 14:39.46 | orion_x11 | I have to change a rule there |
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| 14:40.18 | LuciusMare | hey,what lightweight non-gtk pdf reader would you recommend me? |
| 14:40.31 | creature_ | you can make one anywhere you like |
| 14:41.32 | avtobiff | LuciusMare, xpdf |
| 14:41.32 | azeem | LuciusMare: xpdf is about the only option I guess |
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| 14:41.32 | LuciusMare | but when i run irssi,it tells me thatthx |
| 14:41.32 | LuciusMare | ew |
| 14:41.32 | LuciusMare | thanks :) |
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| 14:42.19 | orion_x11 | creature_: I already have one somewhere, because it says that there is a bug in that I only want to know where is that located in debian |
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| 14:43.06 | orion_x11 | creature_: I do not want to make a iptables config file |
| 14:43.16 | orion_x11 | Only to locate it |
| 14:43.19 | creature_ | i guess that would depend what firewall solution you are using |
| 14:43.46 | themill | orion_x11: there is no iptables config file. What are you trying to do? |
| 14:43.50 | bzed | mouseclone: you could give a post-up commend a try |
| 14:43.51 | macrobat | LuciusMare: epdfview, maybe a bit more than xpdf |
| 14:44.09 | orion_x11 | themill: to fix that issue |
| 14:44.16 | orion_x11 | the bug |
| 14:44.19 | themill | orion_x11: did you read the bug log? |
| 14:44.25 | orion_x11 | yes |
| 14:44.37 | themill | which said that the rule is created anyway |
| 14:45.30 | orion_x11 | it says that I have to change the rule which is causing the error |
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| 14:46.35 | orion_x11 | themill: > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=528736 |
| 14:46.39 | themill | orion_x11: "The rules actually work beyond the erroneous deprecation warning, which has been corrected for the next upstream release." |
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| 14:49.55 | B1afase1 | Hello. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=511452 --> Forbidden --> You don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi on this server. |
| 14:50.25 | B1afase1 | Is someone here how can fix that? |
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| 14:50.55 | azeem | B1afase1: it's a problem on your side |
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| 14:51.43 | peterius | the sound buttons on my thinkpad x60 stopped working from a recent debian testing update, any idea how to get them working again? |
| 14:51.45 | B1afase1 | *arg* It seems that they blog the proxy of my provider. |
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| 14:52.00 | mouseclone | bzed: what is a post-up commend ? I'm still kinda new to debugging. I try to find answers on the web as much as possible. |
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| 14:52.36 | themill | B1afase1: more likely to be the other way around; I doubt the BTS is blocking your provider's proxy |
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| 14:53.44 | B1afase1 | themill: it now also works with the proxy. |
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| 14:54.27 | orion_x11 | themill: if the rules work beyond the message warning, so why I do not get internet connexion in my laptop through my pc? |
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| 14:55.32 | DanDan | hello .. I have a Q ... does adding debian repositories in sources list damages my Ubuntu ? |
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| 14:55.45 | azeem | DanDan: please ask #ubuntu |
| 14:56.05 | DanDan | thnx |
| 14:56.13 | themill | orion_x11: umm... you'll need to be a lot less vague about how you have things set up than that. What's your physical network configuration? How are you trying to set up your NAT? Can the two machines talk to each other? |
| 14:56.34 | orion_x11 | themill: I am sure that it is not hardware problem because I can get access when I use Xp in this machine and I can share with the laptop using debian. |
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| 14:56.46 | McManiaC | hey, where does pam put the syslog files? |
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| 14:57.22 | peterius | /var/log/auth maybe? maybe not |
| 14:57.37 | McManiaC | hm i have no auth there |
| 14:58.04 | peterius | then kern.log or something |
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| 14:58.35 | bzed | mouseclone: man interfaces :) |
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| 14:58.47 | melfar | Hey guys. Could you tell me, on lenny, what's apache2's default config file? /etc/apache2/apache2.conf or /etc/apache2/httpd.conf ? |
| 14:59.04 | cobra-the-joker | oh ... i cant bring the process to foreground |
| 14:59.24 | bzed | mouseclone: there is also mentioned how to rise the verbosity level, probably that helps you to find your pro blerm |
| 14:59.26 | cobra-the-joker | its hidden :(( ....should i kill it and start again ? |
| 14:59.27 | peterius | anyone know why my thinkpad sound buttons would stop working after a recent update? |
| 14:59.42 | hjb | peterius: which thinkpad model? |
| 14:59.47 | peterius | x60 lenova |
| 14:59.49 | peterius | lenovo |
| 14:59.51 | themill | melfar: see /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz ; in practice, you try to avoid editing both of these files |
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| 15:00.53 | melfar | themill, I think I've just truncated httpd.conf "thanks" to a util from the awstats package. Is there a way I can restore just this file from the original deb package? |
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| 15:01.27 | peterius | hjb: I mean is this something I should just wait until it gets fixed for? like is it a bug in acpi stuff or is it a config file I can change? |
| 15:01.27 | themill | melfar: httpd.conf is normally empty |
| 15:01.28 | mouseclone | bzed: thanks for the help. I will look into it. If i find the solution I will let you know. |
| 15:01.46 | melfar | themill, so it should be of 0 size? |
| 15:01.47 | giles_ | erm is it safe to backport coreutils to sarge from etch ? |
| 15:02.03 | orion_x11 | themill: I have pc which is connected through an aerial on my roof. The pc has a wireless card and two net cards a cross cable is conected in pc eth1 and goes to the laptop eth0. I set up the eth1 pc to 192.168.0.1 and made this a gw for the laptop and then issued those commands and did not get access even could not ping each other. |
| 15:02.07 | giles_ | I just need install with the -t option |
| 15:03.04 | hjb | peterius: as far as i know, the audio buttons on thinkpads are hardwired to a hardware mixer |
| 15:03.21 | jelly | melfar: yes, httpd.conf is normally size 0 |
| 15:03.23 | themill | melfar: yes |
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| 15:03.32 | peterius | hjb: that's what I've heard but... something changed they worked and then I saw a bunch of acpi and thinkpad-keys changes and now they don't |
| 15:03.34 | giles_ | actually I don't think this rules file even needs -t |
| 15:03.40 | themill | orion_x11: did you configure the network on the laptop? |
| 15:03.44 | hjb | peterius: but i'm not 100% sure if that's still the case with recent lenovo pads |
| 15:04.03 | jelly | peterius: which debian release are you using? |
| 15:04.06 | melfar | jelly, themill: thanks guys, I was starting to get really worried |
| 15:04.15 | peterius | jelly: testing I think |
| 15:04.31 | orion_x11 | themill: yes |
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| 15:05.06 | crazyfrog | i installed lenny on my acer travelmate 4530 notebook.but when it boot ,it says "PCI-GART : No AMD northbridge found". how to fix it? |
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| 15:05.19 | orion_x11 | themil: laptop ip > 192.168.0.4 > gw 192.168.0.1 > and dns number |
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| 15:06.07 | jelly | peterius: hm. pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 xserver-xorg-core console-tools | tail -3 |
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| 15:06.12 | themill | orion_x11: if they can't ping each other, then the local network hasn't been configured correctly yet. NAT isn't going to work until you sort that out. You might want to just throw a dhcp server onto the desktop machine and run the network off dhcp |
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| 15:07.08 | peterius | jelly: http://pastebin.com/d534ff4f7 |
| 15:07.12 | crazyfrog | i installed lenny on my acer travelmate 4530 notebook.but when it boot ,it says "PCI-GART : No AMD northbridge found". how to fix it?who can help me?thanks |
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| 15:08.52 | peterius | jelly: oh you think its an x thing... |
| 15:08.58 | jelly | peterius: oops, I meant console-setup (what's its version)? |
| 15:09.22 | peterius | jelly: I don't have console-setup |
| 15:09.33 | jelly | peterius: alright, you seem to have versions from testing. |
| 15:09.40 | peterius | jelly: yeah |
| 15:10.08 | peterius | jelly: where are the XF86Volume keymap things? |
| 15:10.11 | jelly | peterius: in that case I'm not sure what broke; I thought the new xorg and console-setup had dropped into testing. |
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| 15:15.17 | orion_x11 | themill: dhcp for wlan0 or for eth1? |
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| 15:15.43 | themill | orion_x11: dhcp for your internal network |
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| 15:16.04 | yac | when i do aptitude search .. what the hell is B flag? Blocked? |
| 15:16.10 | yac | i dont see it in the man |
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| 15:16.27 | yac | there is listed a,i,p,c,h but not B |
| 15:16.31 | yac | i cant install proftpd :/ |
| 15:16.38 | themill | yac: broken, I think. |
| 15:16.39 | fefo | backports ? |
| 15:16.43 | fefo | :P |
| 15:17.00 | themill | orion_x11: there's nothing wrong with using static network for that of course; I'm just in the habit of using dhcp everywhere these days as it makes moving machines around much easier |
| 15:17.21 | jelly | peterius: does running "setxkbmap -model thinkpad60" help? |
| 15:17.34 | yac | oh i see, it's actually proftpd-basic |
| 15:17.51 | peterius | jelly: no |
| 15:17.57 | beardy | My guess is also broken. |
| 15:18.03 | peterius | jelly: the other thing is brightness down works, but not up, and I think that was always the case |
| 15:18.06 | beardy | Though is it really capital B? |
| 15:18.30 | peterius | are the key codes in /etc/acpi/events the issue? jelly? |
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| 15:19.25 | jelly | peterius: I am clueless, sorry |
| 15:19.29 | themill | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s02s02.html#figureCurrentFlag |
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| 15:20.02 | jelly | peterius: there's also model thinkpadz60. |
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| 15:20.23 | peterius | jelly: I'll try that, one thing I don't get, why does changelog list unstable when I'm using testing? |
| 15:21.15 | jelly | peterius: before you try using the keys in an app, verify with xev whether the keys generate the correct keysym |
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| 15:21.36 | JJOliver_ | Hi peeps, I'm thinking of setting up a domain server on Lenny. Will Lenny be able to do radius (for my firewal)? |
| 15:21.38 | McManiaC | is there a wiki or anything on how to apply a patch? |
| 15:21.47 | jelly | peterius: [Re: changelog] that's normal. Most package versions end up in unstable first. |
| 15:22.10 | peterius | jelly: oh wow, that's useful, yeah, they even get the XF85Raise and lower volume |
| 15:22.40 | peterius | jelly: brightness, not so much |
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| 15:22.47 | peterius | jelly: but volume is more important to me, so I guess its an x or a gnome thing or some hal thing |
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| 15:26.54 | peterius | well thanks anyway jelly, hopefully someone will fix it, I got to go |
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| 15:28.01 | jelly | cheers |
| 15:28.16 | gnewb | Is the /root pword the Admin or is it the user, I cannot access synaptics or much else. |
| 15:28.42 | azeem | gnewb: root password is root passwor |
| 15:28.43 | azeem | d |
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| 15:28.54 | azeem | i.e., what you entered as root password on installation |
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| 15:29.11 | gnewb | Thank you, so /root needs to be set to access admin stuff? |
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| 15:29.38 | azeem | gnewb: /root is a directory |
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| 15:30.05 | gnewb | azeem: I wrote all that down as I entered it, but something erred, I am guessing user error |
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| 15:31.35 | azeem | gnewb: are you saying you lost/forgot your root password |
| 15:31.37 | azeem | ? |
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| 15:31.55 | gnewb | Let me re-install and write it down again. I thank you kindly. |
| 15:32.17 | azeem | gnewb: you can also try "/msg dpkg forgot root password" |
| 15:32.26 | gnewb | Thank you |
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| 15:35.45 | gnewb | Ok, That helped alot, whew! I forgot about that /msg dpkg thing. |
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| 15:36.30 | McManiaC | how can i mount /proc in a chrooted environment?? |
| 15:36.39 | Kuifje111 | hello all. |
| 15:36.53 | gnewb | Boot to first choice or (single user mode) was the other question? |
| 15:37.04 | azeem | gnewb: ? |
| 15:37.30 | azeem | McManiaC: by mounting it; something linke moung proc/ /proc or so might work |
| 15:37.33 | Kuifje111 | i have installed a new Network PCI card, but at first boot debian does not detect it. |
| 15:37.37 | azeem | or bind-mount it from the outside |
| 15:37.48 | Kuifje111 | it is a sitecom 1gbit card. |
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| 15:37.58 | Kuifje111 | does this mean its not supported by debian? |
| 15:38.15 | gnewb | azeem: At boot, there are a few choices, Kernel Lenny###, or Single User Mode. |
| 15:38.17 | azeem | Kuifje111: s/debian/linux/ |
| 15:38.38 | petemc | Kuifje111: how are you verifying it has been detected? |
| 15:38.43 | Kuifje111 | ifconfig |
| 15:38.54 | petemc | that wouldnt show an unconfigured card |
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| 15:38.57 | Kuifje111 | by running ifconfig |
| 15:39.00 | azeem | gnewb: ... and? |
| 15:39.05 | jelly | Kuifje111: it means a) linux kernel version in Debian doesn't support it, b) its driver needs nonfree firmware, or c) it's somehow faulty |
| 15:39.06 | Kuifje111 | all right. |
| 15:39.09 | petemc | Kuifje111: dmesg|grep eth , ifconfig -a |
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| 15:39.19 | vn | hi, is there anything wrong with this crontab -e line? it doesnt execute at all : 09 11 * * 6/2 /bak/bak-cygwin.sh >> /var/log/backup/bakc.log |
| 15:39.49 | gnewb | azzem: I think I chose single user mode, but all that confuses me. |
| 15:39.57 | nkuttler | vn: shouldn't that be something like 1-6/2? |
| 15:40.04 | azeem | gnewb: well, try to ask a question |
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| 15:40.55 | gnewb | I will re-install and write the stuff down properly, this is my 4rth time on Lenny, I like this one! |
| 15:41.04 | azeem | uh, ok |
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| 15:41.14 | Kuifje111 | petemc: "dmesg | grep eth" outputs a nothing |
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| 15:41.47 | vn | nkuttler: I want it to be executed each 2 saturdays |
| 15:42.08 | jelly | vn: would 1st and 3rd saturday each month be acceptable? |
| 15:42.12 | or4n9e | hi there. Im using ubuntu but the ubuntu channel is crowded with newbies unfortunately. I hope you can help me maybe with a bit more advanced topic related to gnome-terminal. ok, here it goes... |
| 15:42.24 | jelly | or4n9e: stop right there |
| 15:42.36 | vn | jelly: yea, why? |
| 15:42.43 | or4n9e | jelly: sorry? |
| 15:42.44 | jelly | or4n9e: I mean, sorry, but we're unable to provide assistance. |
| 15:42.51 | Kuifje111 | petemc: this is the chipset Realtek RTL8169 |
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| 15:42.57 | nkuttler | or4n9e: we can help you to install debian |
| 15:43.08 | jelly | vn: 09 11 1-7,15-22 * 6 ;-) |
| 15:43.16 | petemc | Kuifje111: dmesg could be overwritten, does ifconfig -a list it? |
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| 15:43.36 | or4n9e | this has not really something to so with a specific distro, I just need advanced linux users and you won't find them in #ubuntu |
| 15:43.39 | themill | or4n9e: whatever problem you're trying to solve may or may not even be a problem in debian. It's always a waste of the volunteer's time in #debian to try solving problems in any other distro. |
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| 15:43.54 | vn | jelly: deep idea! thanks |
| 15:43.54 | nkuttler | or4n9e: then go to #gnome, you're ot here |
| 15:44.19 | Kuifje111 | petemc: no, it only shows lo, loopback. |
| 15:44.21 | jelly | or4n9e: basically, this channel specializes in Debian solutions; try ##linux for generic linux help |
| 15:44.29 | or4n9e | wow, what's going on? that's honestly not friendly guys |
| 15:44.43 | jelly | or4n9e: that's correct, and sorry for that. |
| 15:44.44 | vn | ... |
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| 15:45.01 | or4n9e | I'm talking about BT4 which is actually based on debian-core |
| 15:45.08 | or4n9e | thus it's a debian system |
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| 15:45.38 | jelly | or4n9e: if you reproduce the issue on a proper Debian installation, there might be someone to help. |
| 15:45.40 | vn | its deb core, but the deb team doesnt know crap about the modifications the bt team did... |
| 15:45.53 | nkuttler | or4n9e: /msg dpkg based on debian |
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| 15:46.03 | themill | or4n9e: tell me how I get from www.debian.org to whatever that is |
| 15:46.09 | jelly | though if it's a Gnome issue, perhaps not even then :-( |
| 15:46.43 | Kuifje111 | petemc: is there a page on which it states the supported network cards? |
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| 15:46.55 | bkraptor | does anyone know what the volatile repository is for and why it is missing for squeeze? |
| 15:47.13 | jelly | !volatile |
| 15:47.13 | dpkg | somebody said volatile was a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://volatile.debian.org/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
| 15:47.22 | petemc | Kuifje111: there should be linux kernel hardware compatability lists somewhere |
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| 15:48.01 | or4n9e | it's ok guys, I understood you won't help me |
| 15:48.04 | bkraptor | jelly: any clue why it is missing the squeeze/testing repo? |
| 15:48.05 | or4n9e | have a nice day |
| 15:48.33 | themill | Kuifje111: can you boot off a livecd and get the relevant line of "lspci -nn" |
| 15:48.36 | petemc | Kuifje111: you would want to look at the output of lspci |
| 15:48.59 | themill | bkraptor: volatile makes no sense for releases other than stable |
| 15:49.12 | Kuifje111 | does that show which hardware it does support, or does it give me further information on my current card? |
| 15:49.22 | bkraptor | so I don't need the volatile repo if I'm on testing right? |
| 15:49.25 | jelly | bkraptor: possibly because it's early enough in the development cycle so there's no need to establish it. Were testing frozen, it would make sense to have a volatile repo |
| 15:49.32 | themill | Kuifje111: (in particular it is the pci-id that's useful the number like [1234:5678] at the end) |
| 15:49.38 | jelly | bkraptor: I'm wildly guessing here. |
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| 15:49.49 | bkraptor | how much till you think squeeze will get frozen? |
| 15:50.01 | bkraptor | based on previous experience with older versions |
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| 15:50.53 | jelly | or4n9e: yeah. It's best you stopped before going into detailed explanation of the issue, only to be ignored because it's not a debian system. |
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| 15:51.13 | nkuttler | bkraptor: the canonical answer is when it's ready. and sooner if you help. other than that, track the mailing lists |
| 15:51.27 | themill | !wwsr |
| 15:51.27 | dpkg | There is no estimate for the release of <squeeze> currently. Subscribe to <d-d-a> to get news on the subject. |
| 15:51.27 | Kuifje111 | what brand would you recommend to get when i return this card? |
| 15:52.06 | nkuttler | Kuifje111: isn't the r8169 module supposed to work for that card? and pastebin your lspci |
| 15:52.11 | jelly | Kuifje111: if you're not scared of using nondefault kernels, you might want to try a newer kernel. |
| 15:52.24 | Kuifje111 | all right. |
| 15:52.36 | themill | Kuifje111: do you have the PCI-Id? |
| 15:52.41 | Kuifje111 | ill try to get that ID |
| 15:52.43 | Kuifje111 | hold on |
| 15:52.53 | Kuifje111 | the unfortunate thing is that it aint got internet at the moment |
| 15:52.57 | Kuifje111 | so it'll take a while |
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| 15:55.20 | jelly | Kuifje111: run "lspci", note the placement of your network card in the output, then run "lspci -n", and report 07:04.0 0200: ===> 10ec:8139 <=== THIS (rev 10) |
| 15:55.48 | hark | or run lspci -nn :) |
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| 15:56.14 | jelly | ooh! |
| 15:56.25 | ajavid | I woke up! |
| 15:56.29 | jelly | hides |
| 15:56.32 | themill | lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 15:56.58 | ajavid | jelly, you can hide, but you can't run. |
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| 15:58.19 | bkraptor | nkuttler: I'm glad to help where I can. sadly I'm no coder, but I file bugs every time I find them |
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| 15:59.21 | Kuifje111 | all right. here's the lsci -nn output: http://pastebin.com/d6c1616ed |
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| 16:00.36 | jelly | Kuifje111: sadly there seems to be no ethernet card in the list |
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| 16:00.51 | Kuifje111 | ugh. |
| 16:00.54 | hark | is it pcmcia or something? |
| 16:00.57 | jelly | Kuifje111: try putting it in a different PCI slot |
| 16:01.15 | Kuifje111 | i put it in the PCI slot in which my previous card was inserted. |
| 16:01.22 | themill | or even.... lspci -nn | sed -n 's/.*net.*\[\(.*:.*\)\].*/\1/p' |
| 16:01.24 | Kuifje111 | which worked flawlessly |
| 16:01.30 | themill | stops before it gets ridiculous |
| 16:02.01 | jelly | Kuifje111: yeah well, this one doesn't work |
| 16:02.14 | nkuttler | Kuifje111: or the slot doesn't |
| 16:02.18 | jelly | Kuifje111: what happened to be previous card? |
| 16:02.24 | Kuifje111 | it was too slow |
| 16:02.26 | Kuifje111 | 100mbps |
| 16:02.38 | Kuifje111 | this is a gbit card |
| 16:02.42 | jelly | 12.5MB/s should be enough for anyone! |
| 16:02.44 | themill | 100 Mbps > 0 |
| 16:03.01 | Kuifje111 | well, i want to copy 200GB as fast as possible over LAN |
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| 16:03.12 | jelly | Kuifje111: what's on the other side? |
| 16:03.23 | Kuifje111 | also a gbit card |
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| 16:03.27 | jelly | Kuifje111: which one? |
| 16:03.29 | simonrvn | how much time you saving now screwing around with this? ;) |
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| 16:03.46 | Kuifje111 | jelly: windows computer |
| 16:03.51 | bzed | Kuifje111: chances that your gbit card is faster than your disks are good, too |
| 16:04.00 | Kuifje111 | ya |
| 16:04.11 | Kuifje111 | but i only received 3 mb/s with that 100mbps card |
| 16:04.21 | Kuifje111 | or maybe it was only 10mbps, but dont think so |
| 16:04.22 | jelly | Kuifje111: yeah, that doesn't answer the question. |
| 16:04.35 | bzed | Kuifje111: then something else is fukkorz |
| 16:04.38 | Kuifje111 | well, i want to get ~30 mb/s |
| 16:04.57 | jelly | Kuifje111: with samba/cifs? |
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| 16:05.03 | jelly | good luck |
| 16:05.08 | Kuifje111 | jelly: no, ftp. |
| 16:05.10 | bzed | Kuifje111: you should get 10-12 mb/s with a 100mbit card |
| 16:05.18 | simonrvn | aah, impatience. that and neccesity are the parents of invention. |
| 16:05.20 | jelly | Kuifje111: oh, that should be doable then. |
| 16:05.24 | Kuifje111 | i only received around 4-5 mb/s |
| 16:05.27 | simonrvn | necessity* |
| 16:05.53 | jelly | Kuifje111: I'd suggest Intel card, if they didn't mess it up with some cheap models. |
| 16:05.55 | Kuifje111 | well, more speed is more efficiently. |
| 16:05.58 | jelly | cards* |
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| 16:06.54 | Kuifje111 | and obviously the people in the shop cannot tell me which cards are supported by linux. |
| 16:06.56 | jelly | Kuifje111: syskonnect sk9821 cards were nice and decently priced (here in .hr) too |
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| 16:07.47 | Kuifje111 | the guy at the shop i bought this one from said this one has a quite common chipset |
| 16:08.04 | Kuifje111 | but unfortunately.. |
| 16:08.15 | simonrvn | common doesn't always mean good ;). |
| 16:08.20 | jelly | Kuifje111: it is, but apparrently this particular card isn't even detected by your motherboard |
| 16:08.30 | Kuifje111 | no, but the more common it is the more likely it is to be supported. |
| 16:08.39 | simonrvn | of course :) |
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| 16:08.53 | Kuifje111 | jelly: are you sure about that? then it isnt a linux problem. |
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| 16:09.09 | Kuifje111 | i didnt realise that. |
| 16:09.11 | simonrvn | it doesn't show up |
| 16:09.12 | jelly | Kuifje111: yeah. Please put it in the next free pci slot and see what happens on the lspci front |
| 16:09.19 | Kuifje111 | yeah |
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| 16:09.25 | Kuifje111 | it is an old motherboard |
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| 16:09.36 | Kuifje111 | it's got a 700MHz CPU |
| 16:09.48 | Kuifje111 | is it possible that the motherboard doesnt support it? |
| 16:09.52 | jelly | Kuifje111: don't expect miracle throughput then |
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| 16:10.21 | Kuifje111 | no, but i figured it should at least make 20 mb/s or higher. |
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| 16:10.38 | jelly | hm, perhaps. There are different PCI standards and it's possible your VIA KX133 mobo doesn't support a cheap newish card |
| 16:11.08 | bboksa | hi - I tried to rebuild php5-ldap with a manually applied patch (after apt-get source), and got the following errors: http://pastebin.com/m78c80faa - is it safe to ignore them? |
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| 16:12.30 | themill | bboksa: they're warnings that the package maintainer should perhaps attend to one day. (The last three are due to your modification but don't worry about them) |
| 16:13.18 | themill | bboksa: as long as the ldap.c.orig file is left over from your work (i.e. the first thing you did was cp ldap.c ldap.c.orig |
| 16:13.37 | jelly | themill: .orig is leftover from patch < foo.diff |
| 16:13.44 | themill | jelly: sometimes |
| 16:13.53 | jelly | which is what the build system seems to be warning about |
| 16:13.56 | bboksa | actually it was "patch ./php5-5.2.6.dfsg.1/ext/ldap/ldap.c ldap-opt-x.patch" but that is the same |
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| 16:14.41 | simonrvn | bboksa: might want to pass that on to the php maintainers, if it seems like a commonly useful patch. |
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| 16:14.42 | themill | bboksa: did you make the backup file yourself? did that patch apply cleanly? if it didn't did you fix it up so that it was right? |
| 16:15.24 | jelly | Kuifje111: I'm thinking a faster way to copy the files would be to put the disk into an external usb/esata/whatever case and plug it in the other machine |
| 16:15.45 | bboksa | simonrvn: dunno how useful it will be, desperate attempt to allow tls with client-certs in php5-ldap |
| 16:16.23 | bboksa | themill: patch didn't apply cleanly, however the rejects only where $Id related stuff |
| 16:17.15 | Kuifje111 | jelly: its a download PC |
| 16:17.25 | bboksa | thanks for you help so far - keep you fingers crossed that this will finally solve my problem |
| 16:17.29 | Kuifje111 | so i would need to do that every time i want to copy something off it then |
| 16:17.42 | jelly | Kuifje111: call it a "file server"! :-> |
| 16:17.50 | Kuifje111 | haha, ok |
| 16:17.59 | Kuifje111 | and i think i got the problem |
| 16:18.01 | Kuifje111 | i didnt push hard enough on it |
| 16:18.13 | Kuifje111 | it went a couple of milimeters more into the port |
| 16:18.18 | Kuifje111 | so maybe that was the problem |
| 16:18.25 | Kuifje111 | we'll see soon |
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| 16:24.22 | bkraptor | is it possible for a national NTP server to be 5 minutes late? |
| 16:24.58 | Kuifje111 | ya |
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| 16:25.01 | Kuifje111 | its detected |
| 16:25.17 | Kuifje111 | but not fully functional |
| 16:25.20 | Kuifje111 | (yet) |
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| 16:27.40 | simonrvn | Kuifje111: \o/. now that's it's detected, it's pretty much home free now. |
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| 16:28.25 | Kuifje111 | here's the lspci output: http://pastebin.com/df67f20b |
| 16:28.27 | Kuifje111 | the new one |
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| 16:30.23 | Kuifje111 | whats the next step. it is not detected in ifconfig yet. |
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| 16:30.29 | Kuifje111 | ?* |
| 16:30.38 | simonrvn | hm, a realtek |
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| 16:30.53 | simonrvn | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:31.06 | simonrvn | then ifup ethX |
| 16:31.19 | simonrvn | (X being whatever number you gave it) |
| 16:31.30 | Kuifje111 | all right. |
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| 16:32.35 | bkraptor | is there any reasons I have symlinks for the kernel in / ? |
| 16:32.51 | simonrvn | probably ;) |
| 16:33.05 | Kuifje111 | maybe for GRUB? |
| 16:33.15 | bkraptor | no, grub links to /boot/ images |
| 16:33.33 | bkraptor | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 16:33.40 | bkraptor | that's from menu.lst |
| 16:33.47 | simonrvn | /etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 16:34.35 | Kuifje111 | simonrvn: it's got the config of the old setup, which was with a 100mbps card. i dont think there should be any difference with this card, but it still doesnt show up in ifconfig. or should there be a difference in that interfaces config file? |
| 16:34.53 | simonrvn | shouldn't make a diff. |
| 16:35.22 | Kuifje111 | but it doesnt show up in ifconfig. |
| 16:35.25 | henaaque | hey |
| 16:35.32 | henaaque | how can i remaster debian? |
| 16:35.34 | simonrvn | did you up it yet? |
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| 16:35.48 | Kuifje111 | simonrvn: it says device not found |
| 16:35.57 | Kuifje111 | or something like that, be right back. |
| 16:36.24 | simonrvn | if udev is installed, you might need to rm the z25net rules file |
| 16:36.28 | simonrvn | !z25 |
| 16:36.28 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
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| 16:37.06 | Kuifje111 | yes, it says device not found |
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| 16:37.26 | bkraptor | !pastebin |
| 16:37.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 16:37.30 | simonrvn | they try that gain. because udev gets in the way sometimes.... |
| 16:37.37 | simonrvn | again* |
| 16:37.44 | henaaque | how can i remaster debian? |
| 16:37.47 | Kuifje111 | all right. |
| 16:38.07 | bkraptor | wtf?! http://paste.debian.net/38401/ |
| 16:38.09 | simonrvn | what do you remaster? an iso image? get a new teacher? |
| 16:38.13 | simonrvn | you mean* |
| 16:38.28 | bkraptor | why does jdk want to install all that crap? |
| 16:38.38 | henaaque | an iso image, something similar to ubuntu remastersys... |
| 16:39.05 | simonrvn | i don't know. check out pdo |
| 16:39.08 | simonrvn | !pdo |
| 16:39.08 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 16:39.12 | \amethyst | bkraptor: because it recommends pulseaudio probably :) |
| 16:39.16 | simonrvn | (the first one) |
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| 16:39.40 | bkraptor | is there any package where I can install a plain jdk? |
| 16:39.41 | \amethyst | bkraptor: aptitude why <package> is useful, too |
| 16:39.52 | bkraptor | I don't have aptitude :( |
| 16:40.07 | \amethyst | bkraptor: you can use apt-get --no-install-recommends |
| 16:40.22 | bboksa | damn it, still get a "TLS: can't accept: The peer did not send any certificate.." |
| 16:40.52 | \amethyst | bkraptor: aptitude is priority: important these days :) (though not essential) |
| 16:40.55 | simonrvn | is it supposed to send one? ;) |
| 16:41.12 | henaaque | is there some script to remaster debian? |
| 16:41.18 | bboksa | any idea how to send a certificate when connection to an tls enabled ldap using php? |
| 16:41.26 | bkraptor | I'm used to apt-* |
| 16:41.50 | bboksa | applying http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/php-src/ext/ldap/ldap.c?r1=1.195&r2=1.196&diff_format=u and setting the variables doesn't seem to help… :-( |
| 16:42.01 | amphi | !tell bkraptor -about why aptitude |
| 16:42.05 | simonrvn | bboksa: ##php should know. also, i'd recommend using START_TLS |
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| 16:42.17 | simonrvn | bboksa: might be #php still. try both. |
| 16:42.26 | \amethyst | bkraptor: the command-line interface is so close you won't notice much difference |
| 16:42.46 | bkraptor | okay I'll give it a shot |
| 16:42.55 | bboksa | simonrvn: I set those options before calling start_tls |
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| 16:43.07 | bkraptor | this also wants to install a ton of crap :( |
| 16:43.22 | \amethyst | bkraptor: --no-install-recommends is called -R or --without-recommends in aptitude, btw |
| 16:43.41 | bkraptor | no, I mean instlling aptitude :D |
| 16:43.54 | bkraptor | I'm trying to keep packages to a minimum |
| 16:44.02 | \amethyst | bkraptor: installing aptitude isn't necessary |
| 16:44.04 | simonrvn | bboksa: you calling start_tls before or after trying to bind? |
| 16:44.05 | bboksa | wonders if he is the only one using tls to connect to ldap |
| 16:44.15 | simonrvn | no, you're not |
| 16:44.16 | bkraptor | I know, but dpkg said it was better |
| 16:44.56 | simonrvn | you should be calling it with the bind |
| 16:45.08 | simonrvn | go ask #php |
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| 16:45.39 | \amethyst | bkraptor: create a file /etc/apt.conf.d/15recommends with the contents APT { Install-Recommends "false"; }; |
| 16:45.52 | bkraptor | would that be wise? |
| 16:45.53 | \amethyst | bkraptor: that will tell apt-get not to install recommended packages by default |
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| 16:46.02 | \amethyst | bkraptor: if you want to keep packages to a minimum, yes |
| 16:46.08 | Kuifje111 | simonrvn: i deleted /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and did ifup eth0, but still device not found. |
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| 16:46.14 | bkraptor | but does that break functionality? |
| 16:46.22 | \amethyst | bkraptor: though you probably do want to look at the recommended packages and pick the ones you think are important |
| 16:46.39 | simonrvn | Kuifje111: shit, i forgot a 'udevadm trigger' |
| 16:46.50 | \amethyst | bkraptor: it can disable some functionality, yes. For example, an audio player might recommend: the mp3- and ogg-decoding plugins, rather than depending on them |
| 16:46.50 | Kuifje111 | i also rebooted |
| 16:47.04 | bkraptor | does aptitude purge removed packages by default? |
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| 16:47.18 | simonrvn | that should've done it... |
| 16:47.21 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 16:47.22 | \amethyst | bkraptor: no, it has a separate command 'purge' |
| 16:47.32 | \amethyst | bkraptor: or you can do aptitude install package_ |
| 16:47.48 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.54 | bboksa | simonrvn: calling it before the bind (actually it is phpldapadmin) |
| 16:48.17 | \amethyst | bkraptor: I don't believe there's a config option to purge by default, either |
| 16:48.20 | Kuifje111 | simonrvn: still device not found. |
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| 16:48.53 | simonrvn | effing weird |
| 16:49.01 | bkraptor | okay, I'll need some time to get used to it |
| 16:49.08 | bkraptor | any quick search tips? |
| 16:49.33 | Kuifje111 | simonrvn: executed udevadm trigger and after that ifup eth0, but device not found. |
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| 16:50.00 | \amethyst | bkraptor: oh, sorry, I'm wrong, apt-get has APT::Get::Purge |
| 16:50.14 | bkraptor | wrong about what? |
| 16:50.33 | \amethyst | bkraptor: so APT { Get { Purge = "true"; }; }; in a config file will turn on purge-by-default for apt-get |
| 16:50.37 | simonrvn | what's dmesg saying? |
| 16:50.58 | bkraptor | thanks, but I don't think I'll enable purging by default. it was just a question :) |
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| 16:51.32 | bkraptor | what's the command to auto-remove depends that are not needed any more? |
| 16:51.36 | sllide | login in an windows doesnt work |
| 16:51.41 | bkraptor | the equivalent to apt-get autoremove |
| 16:51.49 | bkraptor | and add purge to that command aswell |
| 16:51.50 | sllide | it says x-server is not working |
| 16:52.05 | valdyn | bkraptor: aptitude autoremoves by default |
| 16:52.15 | bkraptor | what do you mean it autoremoves? |
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| 16:52.24 | valdyn | bkraptor: i mean what you said |
| 16:52.24 | bkraptor | what if I want it to autoremove with purge? |
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| 16:52.41 | __johan2k__ | Hi all, how do I get debian to show mounted network shares on the desk? |
| 16:53.03 | valdyn | __johan2k__: not debian, just some file managers |
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| 16:53.24 | valdyn | __johan2k__: we dont know which or what you are running |
| 16:53.42 | __johan2k__ | Iam using the one that comes withc debian/gnome |
| 16:54.07 | bkraptor | how can I add purge to autoremove when using aptitude? |
| 16:54.10 | valdyn | __johan2k__: i have no idea, but you have a nice google query now |
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| 16:54.40 | valdyn | __johan2k__: "nautilus show network shares on desktop" |
| 16:55.32 | sllide | can i use an command as a screensaver |
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| 16:55.40 | sllide | like "wine program.exe" ? |
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| 16:56.59 | beardy | sllide: Check your desktop environment settings or xscreensavers, or what you use, maybe it has a "run this" thingy. |
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| 16:57.03 | valdyn | __johan2k__: the real point might be that nautilus does not use mount to access network shares |
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| 16:57.23 | sllide | k |
| 16:57.34 | __johan2k__ | Seems its some kind of bug valdyn |
| 16:57.40 | valdyn | __johan2k__: why? |
| 16:57.56 | valdyn | __johan2k__: or simply working as intended |
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| 16:58.26 | __johan2k__ | Well, googled using your query and only find bug reports.. |
| 16:58.28 | sllide | beardy nope not there |
| 16:59.05 | nick_h | this is an apache question, but any thoughts on which solution is "better"?: http://pastie.org/504665 |
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| 16:59.16 | v4nelle | hi |
| 16:59.21 | valdyn | __johan2k__: i think you should use nautilus facilities to browse network shares |
| 16:59.51 | bkraptor | binutils{u} --- what does the {u} mean when issuing aptitude full-upgrade ? |
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| 17:00.17 | beardy | sllide: Then I'd dig into xscreensaver's docs and see how it runs the things it run, and make a wrapper script and have it selectable by it, running what you want to run. |
| 17:00.25 | valdyn | bkraptor: upgrade? |
| 17:01.04 | bkraptor | so why does it want to remove them? |
| 17:01.07 | sllide | i dont understand it :/ |
| 17:01.08 | sllide | srry |
| 17:01.08 | bkraptor | I haven't marked them for removal |
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| 17:02.04 | v4nelle | guys,when i try to install debian testing with expert mode,i get this error....any help ? http://www.pastebin.ca/1452045 |
| 17:02.17 | valdyn | v4nelle: use the stable installer |
| 17:03.07 | v4nelle | i use stable installer,and stable bussinescard |
| 17:03.12 | bkraptor | this aptitude thing is dangerous, I nearly installed all the packages in debian and nearly removed some useful packages on the 2nd attempt :) |
| 17:03.12 | v4nelle | via usb |
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| 17:03.26 | beardy | sllide: What desktop environment do you use, or what do you use as screensaver? |
| 17:03.36 | valdyn | v4nelle: oops, use the stable installer to install stable |
| 17:04.06 | sllide | beardy: i dont use a screensaver atm and destop enviroment is gnome |
| 17:04.23 | v4nelle | i use stable installer,and when i choose repos i tell it to add testing repos......isn't good idea? |
| 17:04.32 | valdyn | v4nelle: even though expert mode lets you do this, we nor anyone can support installing teseting with the stable installer |
| 17:04.41 | valdyn | v4nelle: bad idea |
| 17:05.15 | valdyn | v4nelle: if what you want is testing, then install stable and upgrade later |
| 17:06.25 | beardy | sllide: Use the relevant bits from this post to make a script for what you want to run. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=355607 |
| 17:06.37 | sllide | tnx :) |
| 17:07.10 | valdyn | bkraptor: maybe you should read and understand what full-upgrade means |
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| 17:07.41 | valdyn | bkraptor: actually, you should have done that before using anything but debian/stable |
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| 17:08.46 | bkraptor | valdyn: I know what full upgrade does and there was NO reason for those packages to be removed |
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| 17:09.10 | valdyn | bkraptor: there was |
| 17:09.17 | bkraptor | it wanted to remove a bunch of packages I had installed previously with apt-get. I had to "re-install" them with aptitude for it to stop trying to remove them |
| 17:09.19 | valdyn | bkraptor: full-upgrade is very simple in what it does |
| 17:09.43 | valdyn | bkraptor: ok - dont mix apt-get with aptitude |
| 17:09.46 | \amethyst | bkraptor: {u} means unused |
| 17:10.20 | bkraptor | and {pu} is purge right? |
| 17:10.22 | \amethyst | bkraptor: it was automatically installed to satisfy a dependency, and with the upgrade (or perhaps with you turning off recommends) it is no longer depended on |
| 17:10.29 | \amethyst | bkraptor: purged and unused |
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| 17:10.45 | bkraptor | I didn't turn off the recommends |
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| 17:11.03 | bkraptor | and it was trying to remove packages that I had expressly installed before |
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| 17:11.14 | bkraptor | so I'm not talking about depends |
| 17:11.17 | valdyn | bkraptor: you had expressly installed them using apt-get |
| 17:11.23 | valdyn | bkraptor: do not mix aptitude with apt-get |
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| 17:11.57 | bkraptor | so why does apt-get play nice with synaptic on my ubuntu laptop? |
| 17:11.58 | valdyn | bkraptor: anything installed with apt-get is auto for aptitude |
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| 17:12.12 | valdyn | bkraptor: synaptic is not aptitude |
| 17:12.17 | beardy | bkraptor: Ask #ubuntu. Use aptitude. |
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| 17:12.30 | bkraptor | yes, my point exactly. they can play nice, while aptitude doesn't for some reason |
| 17:12.41 | valdyn | bkraptor: whats your point? |
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| 17:12.49 | valdyn | bkraptor: synaptic is an apt-get frontend |
| 17:12.59 | bkraptor | apt-get and synaptic manage to play nice with eachother, while aptitude wants to break stuff |
| 17:13.06 | valdyn | bkraptor: correct |
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| 17:13.32 | valdyn | bkraptor: thats a feature. A useful feature |
| 17:14.07 | bkraptor | anyway. is there any reason why a time example taken from the time man page doesn't work? |
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| 17:14.25 | valdyn | bkraptor: are we supposed to guess the time example? |
| 17:14.28 | dkr | you broke time? |
| 17:14.31 | ringo999 | is there an alternative package for icedtea6-plugin on lenny stable? |
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| 17:14.39 | bkraptor | raptor@raptor-server:~$ time -f "%E real,%U user,%S sys" ls -Fs |
| 17:14.41 | bkraptor | -bash: -f: command not found |
| 17:14.51 | bkraptor | also anything involving -f |
| 17:14.51 | valdyn | ringo999: like sun-java6-plugin ? |
| 17:14.56 | dkr | bkraptor: maybe you are using the shell builtin instead of th ebinary |
| 17:15.09 | bkraptor | how can I tell? |
| 17:15.18 | bkraptor | raptor-server:~# which time |
| 17:15.18 | dkr | bkraptor: which time |
| 17:15.18 | bkraptor | /usr/bin/time |
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| 17:15.34 | valdyn | which is not useful here |
| 17:15.35 | x4d | Hello, I'm looking for a good automated backup solution and so far backupninja seems interesting. My setup is simple, I have two equal hard drives that should be mirrored once every three days, one would be internal and I think it's safer to keep the backup disk offline and connect it externally with a sata base. I like the features of backupninja to deal with ldap and mysql, but I'm dounting whether there are better solutions? Anyone have any recommendations ? |
| 17:15.39 | Kuifje111 | hello all. i have bought a new LAN PCI card with the Realtek RTL8169 chipset. The PCI card is detected by lspci, but not by ifconfig. if i execute ifup eth0, it says "device not found". how should i make it functional? |
| 17:15.39 | sllide | damn |
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| 17:15.48 | sllide | i need to get used to debian xD |
| 17:15.55 | valdyn | bkraptor: "/usr/bin/time -f" |
| 17:16.06 | beardy | time is a bash builtin |
| 17:16.10 | bkraptor | :( |
| 17:16.12 | bkraptor | okay thx |
| 17:16.12 | beardy | No -f flag. |
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| 17:16.55 | valdyn | x4d: mdadm raid1 |
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| 17:17.19 | dkr | /usr/bin/time -f "%E real,%U user,%S sys" ls -Fs works for me. but I get the same error you pasted if I use my shell built-in time function |
| 17:17.22 | bkraptor | back to aptitude: how can I make it purge packages it autoremoves? |
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| 17:17.39 | bkraptor | yes dkr, that's solved. thanks |
| 17:17.40 | valdyn | x4d: with bitmap enabled |
| 17:17.47 | dkr | why did "which time" show him the binary instead of the shell built-in? |
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| 17:18.04 | valdyn | dkr: man which |
| 17:18.06 | dkr | % which time |
| 17:18.07 | dkr | time: shell built-in command. |
| 17:18.11 | dkr | but I use tcsh |
| 17:18.16 | valdyn | dkr: builtin which? |
| 17:18.35 | dkr | valdyn: ah, yeah |
| 17:19.02 | bkraptor | anyone know the answer to the above question about aptitude autoremove? |
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| 17:20.31 | jelly | Kuifje111: so, progress! |
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| 17:20.45 | Kuifje111 | jelly: read my message above. |
| 17:20.47 | ktlr | hi there, i want to use other directory for my applications, so when i installed a package with apt then always unpack to /usr directory , so i want to change it how can i do it ? |
| 17:20.51 | Kuifje111 | 19:15 |
| 17:20.52 | jelly | !tell Kuifje111 -about interfaces |
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| 17:21.15 | jelly | Kuifje111: right, that's exactly what I referred to as progress. |
| 17:21.35 | jelly | Kuifje111: is the interfaces file configured appropriately? |
| 17:21.41 | Kuifje111 | jelly: it's got the config from the previous nic, which should work fine, afaik |
| 17:21.45 | abrotman | ktlr: why would you want to do that? |
| 17:21.53 | Kuifje111 | as far as I know* |
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| 17:21.55 | jelly | !z25 |
| 17:21.55 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
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| 17:22.29 | Kuifje111 | jelly: i removed /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 17:22.42 | Kuifje111 | still the same |
| 17:22.48 | jelly | Kuifje111: did you reboot afterwards? |
| 17:22.52 | ktlr | abrotman, because i havent got any free space on this partition, this is a desktop pc |
| 17:22.53 | Kuifje111 | yes. |
| 17:23.02 | jelly | Kuifje111: what does dmesg|grep eth say? |
| 17:23.29 | jelly | Kuifje111: also, what's its pci-id? |
| 17:23.34 | abchirk | anyone knows what to do, to use multimediakeys on a G15... or multi.keys in general? |
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| 17:23.40 | abchirk | kernel, xort? |
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| 17:23.42 | abchirk | g |
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| 17:23.55 | Matson | is is possible to mount an iso file as a filesystem? |
| 17:24.10 | abchirk | you mean into the fs? |
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| 17:24.17 | cutback | Matson -t lo |
| 17:24.17 | patrikf | Matson: mount -o loop my.iso /mountpoint |
| 17:24.53 | Kuifje111 | jelly: it states my nic on eth0 and it says udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1 |
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| 17:25.15 | Matson | thank you |
| 17:25.15 | Kuifje111 | jelly: but when I do ifup eth1, it gives error (forgot the exact error) |
| 17:25.23 | Kuifje111 | an error* |
| 17:25.50 | jelly | Kuifje111: and you have configured eth1 in interfaces(5) as well? |
| 17:26.17 | Kuifje111 | jelly: no, but i have no idea why udev renamed it to eth1 |
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| 17:26.20 | Spec | Heya, I'm running a java application server on a debian box, and my CPU load is 100%...but most of it (according to top) is system load, and not user load. Is high system load usually due to I/O? |
| 17:26.42 | Kuifje111 | jelly: apparently it did that after I deleted /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules. |
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| 17:27.09 | jelly | Kuifje111: well, if there's no definition ifup won't enable it |
| 17:27.34 | Kuifje111 | jelly: all right, but how do i stop udev from renaming it to eth1? |
| 17:27.44 | jelly | Kuifje111: that I don't know. |
| 17:28.12 | jelly | Kuifje111: is eth0 or eth1 mentioned anywhere else under /etc/udev/rules.d ? |
| 17:28.15 | Kuifje111 | jelly: ok, will take a further look at it with your information in regard. thanks for all your help already! |
| 17:28.23 | Kuifje111 | will take a look. |
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| 17:33.16 | Kuifje111 | jelly: it is working now!! i configured eth1 and then executed ifup eth1, and that did the job. |
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| 17:33.31 | Kuifje111 | jelly: thanks again for all your help! |
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| 17:34.36 | Quibus | Hi |
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| 17:35.34 | Quibus | I have a strange phenomenon: when I log in, I get a dialog "Search for a suitable plugin"... It appears to be about application/x-par2 decoder as mime type... I have no idea why it pops up, while having done (almost) nothing... |
| 17:36.22 | person | Maybe something is autostarting from your old session? |
| 17:36.26 | person | Run top, see what it is :) |
| 17:36.40 | cutback | Kuifje111: did you fix it by changing The.Daily.Show.2009.02.11.PDTV.XviD-aAF.[VTV].avi |
| 17:36.41 | cutback | The.Daily.Show.2009.02.12.PDTV.XviD-LMAO.[VTV].avi |
| 17:36.41 | person | Are you saving the session on logout? |
| 17:36.54 | Quibus | no |
| 17:36.58 | cutback | uh wtf |
| 17:36.59 | Quibus | I don't see anythin special in top |
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| 17:37.34 | bkraptor | are there any plans to replace apt-get with aptitude in the near future? |
| 17:37.35 | jelly | cutback: paste fail! |
| 17:37.36 | Kuifje111 | cutback: I think you're talking to the wrong person. I had problems getting my NIC to work. |
| 17:37.39 | cutback | Kuifje111: did you fix it by changing persistent-net.rules |
| 17:37.57 | bkraptor | am asking this because I have a bare-bones install of squeeze and it has apt-get installed by default |
| 17:38.00 | person | Quibus: Desktop Environment? I didn't say there was a button at the top. |
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| 17:38.21 | Kuifje111 | cutback: ah, wrong copy paste :-). yes, i am going to do that now, to stop the remaning to eth1. |
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| 17:38.35 | Quibus | person: GNOME |
| 17:39.13 | person | Quibus: Meh, look around inside System -> Preferences, see if you can find anything about sessions and saving sessions. |
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| 17:39.50 | Quibus | person: why would it be related to saved sessions? I've never seen the dialog before. And if I click it away, it just appears again next time I login |
| 17:39.55 | abrotman | ktlr: you have no free space left on /usr/ ? |
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| 17:40.42 | person | Quibus: Well, if the session was saved, that would explain the dialogue box; it could be an app starting up when you logon and then searching for missing plugins |
| 17:40.52 | person | Run gnome-system-monitor |
| 17:41.02 | Quibus | I do run rhtyhmbox |
| 17:41.11 | person | Yeah |
| 17:41.23 | Quibus | but closing it doesn't make the dialog go away |
| 17:41.25 | person | Oh, is there anything helpful in the Notification area suggesting what it is? |
| 17:41.43 | Quibus | The title is "Install Multimedia Plugins" |
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| 17:42.25 | Quibus | person: there is nothing special in notification area |
| 17:42.31 | Quibus | It's just a complete window |
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| 17:43.55 | person | Just run gnome-system-monitor, sort by memory usage, look for something that might be doing it, end the process and save your session. You might be able to do it by selecting something special on logout, you might need to alter settings. |
| 17:44.07 | person | Just be fairly careful about what processes you end. |
| 17:44.13 | Quibus | I haven't saved my session in months... I keep using the one I saved after installing |
| 17:44.30 | Quibus | Is there a way to find which process is connected to which window? |
| 17:45.35 | nkuttler | Quibus: connected? xprop |
| 17:45.58 | person | lol I would just guess |
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| 17:46.09 | person | But that sounds interesting |
| 17:46.09 | Quibus | nkuttler: OK, where in the info is the process? :-) |
| 17:46.15 | sllide | when i echo stuff it only shows one space when i type more then one |
| 17:46.29 | Quibus | WM_CLASS(STRING) = "gstreamer-codec-install", "Gstreamer-codec-install" |
| 17:46.33 | Quibus | hmm, gstreamer |
| 17:46.42 | gaintsura | ok... so macutils / macunpack says that this .sit is not a stuffit file... zip, gzip, and tar say they don't know what it is... and file-roller can't figure it out either, anyone know how to uncompress a .sit file? I'm pretty sure its based on mac |
| 17:46.46 | nkuttler | Quibus: grep ID |
| 17:47.01 | Quibus | /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/gstreamer-codec-install gstreamer|0.10|rhythmbox-metadata|application/x-par2 decoder|decoder-application/x-par2 |
| 17:47.04 | Quibus | that's the process |
| 17:47.09 | sllide | when i echo stuff it only shows one space when i type more then one, how can i let it print more spaces? |
| 17:47.13 | Quibus | The question is why it is spawned |
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| 17:47.21 | nkuttler | sllide: echo "a " ? |
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| 17:47.39 | sllide | yay :) |
| 17:47.40 | sllide | tnx |
| 17:48.54 | person | Good luck Quibus |
| 17:48.59 | person | Bye |
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| 17:49.34 | Quibus | so, rhythmbox |
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| 17:53.13 | sllide | how can i exec "if ping -c 1 site; then" without it showing an output? |
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| 17:57.21 | asg | sllide: redirect stdout and stderr to /dev/null |
| 17:58.37 | sllide | asg: how? |
| 17:58.48 | asg | ping -c1 foo >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 17:58.48 | sllide | i'm kinda newb with shell scripting |
| 17:59.36 | sllide | tnx :) |
| 17:59.43 | sllide | and how do i ask stuff? :/ |
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| 18:01.10 | bboksa | solved it, hat to put an "ldaprc" into the cwd of php (in my case /usr/share/phpldapadmin/htdocs) |
| 18:01.21 | bboksa | thanks to all of you who helped me |
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| 18:03.11 | noppe | what's the best way to slowly migrate from sid to testing without downgrading any of the currently installed packages? or in other words, how long does it usually take for sid-versions to become testing-versions |
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| 18:03.24 | steffan | Is there a way to install a package with an -option using apt-get? |
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| 18:03.55 | steffan | I've installed oidentd already using apt-get, but today switched to IPv6 so I need to re-configure oidentd and install again. |
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| 18:10.55 | ksnp | hi, when i try to use killall i get error message, is there a package to be able to use killall instead of using process number ? |
| 18:11.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | psmisc |
| 18:12.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell ksnp -about apt-file |
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| 18:14.49 | asg | kaane: pkill is a much nicer utility |
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| 18:15.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | noppe, packages are held back as long as they have grave errors or as long as they depend on such a package... /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 18:15.59 | rallEy4 | I have a driver ~/rt2870sta.ko for my wireless USB adapter. When I load it with "sudo insmod rt2870sta.ko" I can immediately do "sudo ifconfig ra0 IP up" and it works fine. I am trying to make it load at boot time by adding it to /etc/modules and after a reboot "ra0" does not exist... can anyone help with this? |
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| 18:16.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | asg, wrong chap |
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| 18:17.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | is the module loaded after boot? |
| 18:17.23 | asg | CutMeOwnThroat: if the right one is paying attention, he should have got the message :) |
| 18:17.29 | rallEy4 | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 18:17.50 | rallEy4 | CutMeOwnThroat: when I try to run ifconfig it says that ra0 does not exist. |
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| 18:18.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | check dmesg output |
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| 18:18.29 | almost | >I need to move a directory with one file with the same ownership and permission is the command line cp -Rp /source/ /destiny? |
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| 18:19.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can just do mv /source /dest if they're on the same disk |
| 18:19.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | (same partition) |
| 18:20.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | apart from that... yes, why not |
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| 18:21.17 | almost | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks. I also need to change the name of the one file in the directory i am to move |
| 18:21.20 | ksnp | cutme : i get error when trying to install apt-file : |
| 18:21.21 | ksnp | Remove the following packages: |
| 18:21.21 | ksnp | apt-file |
| 18:21.21 | ksnp | Score is -9881 |
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| 18:21.22 | noppe | CutMeOwnThroat: i know, but what's the best way to migrate to testing without accidentally downgrading some package in a couple of weeks because i forgot to check the versions of all packages? |
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| 18:22.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | downgrades don't happen |
| 18:22.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | not on apt-get update, that is |
| 18:23.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | err apt-get upgrade |
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| 18:26.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | almost, mv oldfilename newfilename |
| 18:27.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | ksnp, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and the error |
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| 18:28.05 | noppe | CutMeOwnThroat: so you're saying i can switch the sources.list to squeeze and not expect any problems? |
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| 18:28.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm saying it'll behave like you described... |
| 18:28.42 | Z4ndX | Hello ... |
| 18:28.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should always expect problems with sid or testing :) |
| 18:29.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | noppe, also, if you do "apt-get install something" from testing, you will still get downgrades or unresolvable dependencies |
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| 18:30.19 | Z4ndX | Iv installed Debian (net install) and i need do get my audio working. Its a VIA VT8233. Do i just install alsa-base and it will work ? .. |
| 18:30.41 | almost | cutme: if i am in rthe same direstory then I canjust do as you suggested mv oldfilename newfilname |
| 18:30.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | additionally packages from sid might prevent security updates with a lower version number to be ignored... |
| 18:30.52 | noppe | CutMeOwnThroat: and that's what i want to avoid :) |
| 18:31.03 | almost | cut me: the directory |
| 18:31.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | then don't install new packages |
| 18:31.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | noppe, whenever you install something new, it's dependencies need to be fullfilled... there's no way around that |
| 18:33.21 | Z4ndX | Iv installed Debian (net install) and i need do get my audio working. Its a VIA VT8233. Do i just install alsa-base and it will work ? .. |
| 18:35.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Z4ndX -about alsa checklist |
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| 18:39.43 | yoshio | rallEy4: man 5 interfaces - there is a "pre-up" option that allows you to do the modprobe and ifconfig interface up command |
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| 18:42.39 | [Dynami] | Would it be possible, to store, all my music on an old box with debian on, have it connected to my network and access music from all pc's? |
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| 18:43.11 | ZitZ | hi, i'm using sid, is it still necessary to include noatime in fstab, or is that already taken care of with defaults? |
| 18:43.40 | abrotman | man fstab .. see if it's in the defaults .. it tells you |
| 18:43.46 | maligor | [Dynami], silly question, ofcourse it is |
| 18:44.16 | [Dynami] | maligor CLI ? |
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| 18:44.46 | maligor | [Dynami], is that supposed to be a question? |
| 18:44.52 | [Dynami] | yes |
| 18:45.05 | hacker_kid | i need an old iso, specifically debian-live-40r0-rc1-i386-kde-CD.iso where can i find it? |
| 18:45.15 | maligor | I'm afraid I'm not sure what you mean, debian is like any *nix like os |
| 18:45.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | noppe, please keep it here in the channel |
| 18:45.36 | [Dynami] | can i use CLI |
| 18:45.50 | maligor | [Dynami], another silly question, ofcourse :P |
| 18:46.04 | maligor | it won't install a gui unless you tell it to |
| 18:46.10 | [Dynami] | i know that |
| 18:46.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | yoshio, he says the module is loaded, though... which is weird |
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| 18:46.30 | [Dynami] | maligor you know of any tutorials to set this up, or is it going to be a massive pain in the arse |
| 18:46.54 | Z4ndX | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks.. I helped me alot |
| 18:47.03 | Kuifje111 | its going to be a massive pain in the arse. |
| 18:47.09 | nkuttler | hacker_kid: try http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ |
| 18:47.19 | hacker_kid | nkuttler, ty |
| 18:47.25 | maligor | [Dynami], for probably most people here, it'd be trivial :P |
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| 18:48.17 | [Dynami] | maligor lol, well i've used linux for a number of years now |
| 18:48.18 | maligor | [Dynami], what you probably want is a samba server setup |
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| 18:48.57 | [Dynami] | maligor i'm thinking it might be easier with Windows for some reason. |
| 18:49.20 | nkuttler | [Dynami]: or mpd or a daapd |
| 18:49.38 | maligor | daapd would be nice, but virtually no windows sw supports daap |
| 18:49.49 | maligor | it's relatively simple and works |
| 18:49.52 | nkuttler | there's itunes for win |
| 18:49.56 | maligor | itunes is utter crap |
| 18:50.04 | [Dynami] | i'm looking for my mac and laptop to axx the server |
| 18:50.04 | nkuttler | windows is crap, what's your point? |
| 18:50.06 | maligor | it's a disgrace to media players |
| 18:50.31 | maligor | [Dynami], well, if you use itunes, you can just use daapd |
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| 18:50.43 | nkuttler | actually, itunes is my favorite.. after cplay |
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| 18:50.54 | maligor | I think the interface is stupid and cluttered |
| 18:50.54 | rom1v | hi |
| 18:50.57 | [Dynami] | itunes is nice on my mac, but on windows it's a peice of crap |
| 18:51.00 | maligor | I much prefer banshee/rhythmbox |
| 18:51.10 | nkuttler | maligor: i agree with that, but those linux itunes clones suck |
| 18:51.13 | Lakche | on windows, i'd prefer foobar2000 :/ |
| 18:51.14 | rom1v | My intel core 2 duo is ia64 or amd64? |
| 18:51.16 | maligor | nkuttler, heh |
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| 18:51.20 | rom1v | I never heard of ia64 before |
| 18:51.23 | maligor | nkuttler, I wouldn't really call them clones |
| 18:51.28 | Lakche | ia64 = intel itanium |
| 18:51.31 | rom1v | ok |
| 18:51.37 | rom1v | "itanium"? |
| 18:51.37 | [Dynami] | rom1v INTEL .... amd64 ? lmao |
| 18:51.40 | maligor | banshee/rhythmbox are relatively clean interfaces |
| 18:51.43 | nkuttler | anyway, gui players using more than 5% cpu... not acceptable |
| 18:51.53 | Lakche | http://www.intel.com/products/processor/itanium/ |
| 18:51.58 | Lakche | 64-bit only processor |
| 18:52.02 | Lakche | cannot run 32-bit code |
| 18:52.06 | rom1v | [Dynami], that's the case for ubuntu, there is amd64 and i386, nothing else |
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| 18:52.19 | [Dynami] | ubuntu is a peice of crap |
| 18:52.21 | rom1v | mine can run 32bits, because I use ubuntu 32 bits for the moment |
| 18:52.23 | [Dynami] | that's why |
| 18:52.30 | rom1v | so it's not itanium? |
| 18:52.41 | [Dynami] | and if your using ubuntu, try #ubuntu ? |
| 18:52.43 | Lakche | it wouldn't be itanium |
| 18:52.57 | rom1v | for the moment I use ubuntu, I would like to try debian |
| 18:52.59 | Lakche | intel core2 and core i7 are EMT64 |
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| 18:53.07 | Lakche | they run 32-bit and 64-bit just fine |
| 18:53.14 | [Dynami] | alright so, after the debate ... which app should i use on my debian box for music ? |
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| 18:53.30 | nkuttler | [Dynami]: it depends |
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| 18:53.38 | rom1v | Lakche, EMT64 → so what architecture must I use for downloading debian? |
| 18:53.40 | rom1v | there is no EMT64 |
| 18:53.51 | Lakche | you would use x86 or x86_64 |
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| 18:53.58 | Lakche | first being 32-bit, latter being 64-bit |
| 18:54.06 | Lakche | you pick |
| 18:54.06 | rom1v | [alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc] |
| 18:54.07 | [Dynami] | nkuttler depends on what? |
| 18:54.14 | Lakche | ok then i386 or amd64 |
| 18:54.15 | rom1v | which one? |
| 18:54.18 | maligor | nkuttler, I think I can sacrifice 5% ;) |
| 18:54.23 | rom1v | ok thank you |
| 18:54.27 | nkuttler | [Dynami]: on your needs of course |
| 18:54.28 | Lakche | i386 = 32 bit, amd64 = 64 bit |
| 18:54.43 | rom1v | so it's like ubuntu : amd64 for intel 64 bits D |
| 18:54.44 | rom1v | :D |
| 18:54.52 | [Dynami] | well that's stupid |
| 18:55.06 | [Dynami] | ia64, amd64 |
| 18:55.07 | nkuttler | maligor: oh, and i hate the music to stop when x shuts down.. |
| 18:55.10 | Lakche | ubuntu is based off debian |
| 18:55.17 | [Dynami] | orly? |
| 18:55.17 | [Dynami] | lol |
| 18:55.18 | Lakche | ia64 and amd64 are completely different.. |
| 18:55.31 | maligor | nkuttler, I never shutdown my precious x |
| 18:55.31 | [Dynami] | nicee one sherlock. |
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| 18:55.37 | rom1v | so, that will be my first test of debian… once installed, I will have xorg and gnome? |
| 18:55.44 | rom1v | or I have to install them manually |
| 18:55.46 | rom1v | ? |
| 18:55.49 | [Dynami] | nkuttler so what does it depend on ? |
| 18:56.12 | nkuttler | [Dynami]: on your needs of course |
| 18:56.12 | Selveste1 | Hey all :) anybody having a BlackBerry Bold 9000 ? and if have is the Debian support ? |
| 18:56.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, I just nearly fell off my seat... if you remember, you instaleed a new cursor theme... and I did the same I took one from xcursor-themes.... anyway, there's a skull that's e.g. displayed for xkill... in the xcursor theme, it's got rabbit teeth ... 'ike fiff and it squints.... |
| 18:56.15 | Lakche | rom1v; how are you installing it? off a full CD? or a small net install? or..? |
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| 18:56.30 | aij | is anyone else using svn on the latest debian unstable? |
| 18:56.32 | [Dynami] | nkuttler well i just want to store my music on there, and let my mac and pc axx it |
| 18:56.33 | rom1v | I took netinst.iso |
| 18:56.41 | aij | it seems to be terribly broken (on amd64 at least) |
| 18:56.45 | Polarina | rom1v: amd64? |
| 18:56.49 | rom1v | debian-501-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:56.53 | abrotman | aij: you mean you can't install it, or it doesn't work? and did you check the BTS? |
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| 18:57.00 | Polarina | rom1v: Good choice. :) |
| 18:57.15 | nkuttler | [Dynami]: that's very vague. daap + samba share i guess |
| 18:57.24 | NeoTr | Merhaba arkadaşlar |
| 18:57.25 | aij | abrotman: it doesn't work... I took a quick look at the bts, but didn't see anything that looked similar |
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| 18:57.37 | nkuttler | !tr |
| 18:57.37 | dpkg | from memory, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 18:57.40 | abrotman | do you get an error? |
| 18:57.40 | [Dynami] | nkuttler what's vague about what i said? |
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| 18:57.58 | aij | I get errors like: svn: OPTIONS of 'http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk': could not connect to server (http://svn.collab.net) |
| 18:58.01 | tuxi^ | might someone pls tell me how to install a package (assuming you killed the config files) with which option to tell aptitude to re-install the config filesß |
| 18:58.03 | tuxi^ | ? |
| 18:58.07 | tuxi^ | just forgot the option... |
| 18:58.08 | sylarrr | where do I put stuff to be executed once right after boot? |
| 18:58.15 | nkuttler | !tell tuxi^ about confmiss |
| 18:58.22 | abrotman | !tell sylarrr about run at startup |
| 18:58.22 | timostk | hello.. I'm having trouble getting my dns clache to clear on one of my boxes. I'm using ubuntu 9.04.. I just moved a domain from one host to another.. only one of my boxes 'sees' the change. any ideas? |
| 18:58.24 | tuxi^ | thx :) |
| 18:58.25 | aij | abrotman: using strace I get socket(PF_INET, 0x80001 /* SOCK_??? */, IPPROTO_TCP) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
| 18:58.26 | rom1v | I am a bit lost on debian.org |
| 18:58.33 | aij | which I suspect is where it's going wrong |
| 18:58.37 | rom1v | once 5.01 is installed, how to upgrade to unstable? |
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| 18:58.50 | aij | abrotman: does it work for you? |
| 18:59.00 | abrotman | i don't use svn, let alone from unstable |
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| 18:59.07 | Lakche | to upgrade to stable |
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| 18:59.10 | abrotman | rom1v: if you have to ask, you don't |
| 18:59.17 | Lakche | you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change "stable" or "lenny" to read "unstable" |
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| 18:59.24 | abrotman | Lakche: do not do that again |
| 18:59.32 | rom1v | abrotman, I know I have to add sources in sources.list |
| 18:59.35 | Lakche | lol |
| 18:59.36 | Lakche | fine fine |
| 18:59.40 | rom1v | but I don't know what are these sources :) |
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| 18:59.43 | abrotman | rom1v: unless you're well versed in debian and linux, you'll be created a huge heaping mess for yourself |
| 18:59.46 | aij | the main reason I'm poking here is that I'd like to know whether it's just something on my machine, since even debian unstable doesn't usually break things that badly |
| 18:59.48 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 18:59.48 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 18:59.56 | abrotman | aij: tried other svn repos? |
| 19:00.03 | aij | abrotman: yup |
| 19:00.06 | Selveste1 | Hey all :) anybody having a BlackBerry Bold 9000 ? and if have is the Debian support ? |
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| 19:00.14 | abrotman | blames peterS |
| 19:00.18 | rom1v | and I would like to test debian because softwares are not up to date in ubuntu |
| 19:00.32 | abrotman | that doesn't mean you should be running unstable |
| 19:00.35 | abrotman | it's going to break |
| 19:01.08 | rom1v | how old are softwares in testing? |
| 19:01.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders what it is about people and running the very very very newest version of everything |
| 19:01.21 | [Dynami] | rom1v software is upto date on ubuntu if you know how to use debian |
| 19:01.25 | abrotman | rom1v: depends what you're lookign for |
| 19:01.30 | Lakche | rom1v; software in stable is rather recent.. since lenny went stable |
| 19:01.37 | Lakche | just recently anyway |
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| 19:01.44 | abrotman | checks the calendar ... |
| 19:02.00 | rom1v | [Dynami], I didn't understand |
| 19:02.13 | Polarina | Lakche: Come back in two years and it will be as old (and feature-less) as things were in etch. |
| 19:02.19 | rom1v | Lakche, software in stable is very old, no? |
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| 19:02.28 | Lakche | Polarina; I've used debian since 2.0 |
| 19:02.30 | abrotman | yeah .. because two year old software automatically loses all features |
| 19:02.32 | rom1v | I find software in jaunty quite old (openoffice 3.0 instead of 3.1 …) |
| 19:02.36 | abrotman | especially features like .. stability ... |
| 19:02.38 | rom1v | gajim, deluge, etc… |
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| 19:02.41 | Lakche | i remember a time "stable" was software from 4 years ago |
| 19:02.44 | Lakche | type thing |
| 19:02.53 | Lakche | hence why lenny, at the current point, is quite decent now :] |
| 19:02.53 | rom1v | I know I am ready to lose some stability |
| 19:02.55 | aij | dpkg: if that was directed at me, note that if I were neither, I would't be using svn |
| 19:02.55 | dpkg | aij: You are moron #1 |
| 19:03.05 | abrotman | aij: that wasn't for you |
| 19:03.13 | rom1v | but when sometimes frozen version are unstable in ubuntu, I won't lose too much |
| 19:03.37 | abrotman | rom1v: please do not use unstable |
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| 19:04.19 | abrotman | aij: i do see a resolved bug .. is your svn up to date with the repos ? |
| 19:04.22 | abrotman | the debian repos |
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| 19:04.54 | abrotman | aij: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=531338 .. like that ? |
| 19:04.56 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 19:05.23 | HardDisk_WP | a question: anyone here ever managed to set up a bluetooth PAN? |
| 19:06.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | aij, and dpkg's a bot if that hasn't already become obvious :) |
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| 19:07.05 | aij | abrotman: yes that looks like it... actually I just realized I'm running testing, not unstable on this box |
| 19:07.11 | aij | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, I figured that out |
| 19:07.18 | abrotman | aij: see the additional comments there |
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| 19:07.30 | cusco | hi |
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| 19:07.59 | cusco | if a socket hangs (from twinkle a softphone) how do I remove it other tnat restarting the computer? |
| 19:08.10 | cusco | TeToReD: is a spammer |
| 19:08.12 | cusco | onjoin |
| 19:08.20 | cusco | !ops TeToReD is a onjoin spammer |
| 19:08.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cusco complains about: TeToReD is a onjoin spammer |
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| 19:08.50 | abrotman | cusco: thank you |
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| 19:09.42 | cusco | noprobs |
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| 19:09.57 | cusco | can I remove a socket with lsof? |
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| 19:14.04 | mogunus | Hello. I installed couchdb from testing on my stable system, and it would work, but I am getting the "port in use" message. I have changed the port in couch.ini several times, but each time it dies with a port in use error. |
| 19:14.29 | enouf | http://pastebin.ca/raw/1452181 interesting firepoop usage? or ... expected |
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| 19:15.19 | epsas | is there any way to make iceweasel/firefox not run so slowly? |
| 19:15.26 | abrotman | enouf: i've asked you to stop, as have numerous other people. Please take a 10 minute time out |
| 19:15.34 | epsas | as my computer gets faster, mozilla gets slower |
| 19:15.39 | maligor | epsas, replace gecko with webkit? |
| 19:15.39 | epsas | it's like 1998 all over again |
| 19:15.42 | epsas | hmm |
| 19:15.48 | maligor | it might take some work |
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| 19:16.42 | maligor | google has a reasonbly well working version of their spy-browser for linux now too |
| 19:17.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | more google spies still? |
| 19:17.44 | maligor | I mean chromium |
| 19:17.55 | Lakche | why do you say its a spy-browser? |
| 19:18.18 | maligor | because it sends all sorts of junk to google unless you disable the 'feature' |
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| 19:18.43 | maligor | and I think there was some mention that they have unique tags too |
| 19:18.50 | Lakche | interesting... i've yet to actually use it so i havnt really looked into that |
| 19:19.03 | maligor | the browser itself is darned good tho |
| 19:19.12 | Lakche | i know google's got its anti-phishing and anti-malware site reporting in firefox as well as chrome |
| 19:19.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | my FF is still quite ok... although eats up too much memory |
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| 19:20.31 | yoshio | I've turned off the anti-phising and anti-malware detection in iceweasel, but iceweasel still talks to google without me initiating a browser action |
| 19:21.24 | Lakche | that doesnt sound good |
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| 19:22.42 | yoshio | people bugged it multiple times in BTS, and the debian maintainer just says to turn off anti-phishing and anti-malware and it will stop |
| 19:23.14 | jelly-home | yoshio: are you typing in stuff in the search thingy? It does suggestions/completions |
| 19:23.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | you were faster :)\ |
| 19:24.08 | yoshio | jelly-home: no, like I said, I wasn't doing anything in the browser, but typing netstat -punta shows a connection to google once in a while |
| 19:24.18 | yoshio | jelly-home: I use scroogle to do searches |
| 19:24.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, strange |
| 19:24.43 | jelly-home | yoshio: no open tabs? |
| 19:24.52 | jelly-home | yoshio: no plugins enabled? |
| 19:25.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also keyword.URL in about:config |
| 19:25.16 | yoshio | jelly-home: lots of open tabs, but not to google. a few plugins, like flash |
| 19:25.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if you're not changing url... |
| 19:25.40 | jelly-home | yoshio: any one of those could be having AdWords or something embedded |
| 19:25.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | might not be FF doing it |
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| 19:26.04 | yoshio | jelly-home: ah, maybe |
| 19:26.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, sure... could be a web-bug on a page that's auto-reloaded from time to time |
| 19:26.09 | Lakche | yea a lot of sites have google adsense |
| 19:26.10 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: if not for netstat -p showing firefoxes pid |
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| 19:26.46 | jelly-home | Lakche: thanks. that ad* thing. |
| 19:27.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | adblock plugin should get rid of those, though |
| 19:27.28 | yoshio | I do use adblock plus |
| 19:27.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's funny, my www barely has advertisments... |
| 19:27.37 | sparr | Is there a tool that will try different resolution/refresh rate combos and have me accept/reject them to create an Xorg.conf? X's autodetection works about 99% of the time for me, but occasionally I end up in a mode that my monitor doesn't support and I have to restart X, I'd like that to not happen any more. |
| 19:27.49 | enouf | epsas: did you receive my PMs? -- if not, it's ok - but i was muted at the time |
| 19:28.19 | epsas | yes |
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| 19:28.28 | epsas | good advice |
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| 19:30.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | yoshio, you could look what is being transferred... |
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| 19:31.05 | junix | how do i get the bnx driver to load upon boot? do i put bnx into the /etc/modules? |
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| 19:31.11 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:31.18 | enouf | yoshio: i suggest at the least adblock + flashblock ... there are other things/ways to kill the googlesyndication stuffs, but i forget offhand, and right now, it's not bothering me too much - however, i'd consider that a erious malfunction |
| 19:31.22 | junix | abrotman: thanks! |
| 19:31.43 | mib_yxl7jvrf | hi guys! does anyone has idea about pydsh in debian? |
| 19:32.03 | enouf | s/erious/serious |
| 19:32.08 | abrotman | yoshio: do you have any feeds setup? |
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| 19:34.38 | enouf | yoshio: also, clear/mark all under privacy preferences to autoclear, and disable autorefresh - but to be honest, i'm tired of the fight to turn things off that _should_ be the default - however, too many people are not so intelligent (note; that's my nice version) |
| 19:35.03 | abrotman | neverminding that half the stuff in about:config doesn't have a 'clickable' option? |
| 19:35.09 | HeXiLeD | anyone knows of good tool to show info about video card ram usage ? |
| 19:35.48 | abrotman | would just think it would use as much as possible |
| 19:36.07 | abrotman | yeah .. we need video card swap space! |
| 19:36.15 | Lakche | lol |
| 19:36.27 | Lakche | i guess if you have those vid cards with 2 gigs of vram |
| 19:36.30 | Lakche | and you're not using it for 3d |
| 19:36.35 | Lakche | its just sitting around doin onthing |
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| 19:37.09 | jelly-home | yeah. nothing like a $2000 2gig ramdisk. |
| 19:37.17 | enouf | HeXiLeD: i'm trying to ascertain exactly what you're after - cat /proc/mtrr might have some info, also note, your aperture size will influence how your vram is used, especially if it's integrated |
| 19:37.27 | Lakche | i dunno jelly, give it about a year |
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| 19:37.47 | Lakche | those nvidia cards published by asus.. like the 8400 silent, pack 512 mb of memory for only $49 |
| 19:37.58 | HeXiLeD | http://developer.nvidia.com/object/nvperfkit_home.html <- |
| 19:38.37 | HardDisk_WP | how do I pair bluetooth devices? |
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| 19:38.43 | HardDisk_WP | One is Linux, the other WinMobile |
| 19:39.53 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: that's a good question, I've done it but wish not to repeat the guesswork |
| 19:40.13 | hjb1 | i can confirm this |
| 19:40.23 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, xD |
| 19:40.25 | hjb1 | damn not userfriendly |
| 19:40.32 | HardDisk_WP | I want to set my NSLU2 as a PAN AP |
| 19:40.34 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: 1) make winmobile's bluetooth visible (to any client) |
| 19:40.38 | HardDisk_WP | It is |
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| 19:40.53 | HardDisk_WP | it can be found by the NSLU with hcitool scan |
| 19:41.19 | jelly-home | step 2) messing with kbluetoothd is pretty much impossible on an embedded device |
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| 19:42.00 | hjb1 | HardDisk_WP: hmm, there's a config file where you have to set the pin |
| 19:42.07 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: echo "1234" > /etc/bluetooth/passkeys/00:12:34:56:78:9a ? |
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| 19:42.10 | hjb1 | HardDisk_WP: sadly i don't remeber it's name |
| 19:42.39 | HardDisk_WP | hjb1, pin is in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf |
| 19:42.42 | yoshio | enouf: I'll look into flashblock |
| 19:42.43 | type | How often does testing get a kernel upgrade? I performed an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and everything became broken. I reinstalled kernel modules but things were't the same. |
| 19:42.50 | Yondering | hello.. I have a problem, I'm not sure if it's debian or ubuntu related, or a problem with my router (wrt54gl running tomato). I've just moved a domain from one host to the other.. one Ubuntu box is seeing the changes just fine, but one debian box and one additional ubuntu box are still hitting the old host. I've tried installing nscd and restarting it, to purge dns cache, and I've tried rebooting my router. Any ideas? |
| 19:42.56 | yoshio | abrotman: I probably have a feed setup, I'll look |
| 19:43.16 | hjb1 | HardDisk_WP: sounds good |
| 19:43.30 | Selveste1 | Anybody having a BlackBerry Bold ? and if have is the Debian support ? |
| 19:43.33 | jelly-home | Yondering: are all the clients on the same ISP? |
| 19:43.41 | Yondering | jelly-home, yes |
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| 19:43.54 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, there is no passkeys directory oO |
| 19:44.01 | jelly-home | Yondering: how did you "purge dns cache"? |
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| 19:44.13 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: ignore my guesswork, then |
| 19:44.13 | HardDisk_WP | .oO( Still, this seems more straightforward than WINDOWS MOBILE! ) |
| 19:44.33 | hjb1 | heh :) |
| 19:44.35 | Yondering | jelly-home, I found instructions telling me to install nscd (aptitude install nscd) and restart it. (sudo /etc/init.d/nscd restart). |
| 19:44.52 | jelly-home | Yondering: that's, er, superfluous |
| 19:45.00 | hacker_kid | i have followed the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/Custom_Install to create a persistent live install, i get a file not found error when booting. are there any other ways to create this install? |
| 19:45.16 | Yondering | jelly-home, oh =/ any chance you could point me at the proper way to clear it? |
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| 19:45.35 | jelly-home | Yondering: what is the FQDN in question, and what's the IP your server is supposed to have? |
| 19:45.46 | alleyoopster | hi all, I am using wicd with rt2500pci, but speeds by default are always 1M. I can get them up and automate them on reboot with an iwconfig rate 54M, but after suspend / resume it drops back again. (The rt2500 drv works, but does not like WPA)How can I keep 54M , this seems to be a bug? |
| 19:46.15 | orion_x11 | how do I downgrade from squeeze to lenny? |
| 19:46.39 | Yondering | jelly-home, yonderfinn.com, and currently 69.164.136.28. (dreamhost). |
| 19:46.43 | jelly-home | Yondering: (I mean, back when you didn't have it installed yet, you automatically used the freshest possible information from your configured DNS server; installing nscd only introduces an additional layer) |
| 19:47.08 | Yondering | jelly-home, okay, removing nscd |
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| 19:48.10 | jelly-home | Yondering: all the nameserver for that domain answer with "69.163.136.28", typo? |
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| 19:48.33 | Yondering | jelly-home, yes |
| 19:48.55 | jelly-home | Yondering: well, your nameservers seems to be all right. |
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| 19:49.43 | Yondering | jelly-home, ok, thanks.. that's what I thought. =/ |
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| 19:49.53 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, what in the vowels of christ are you on about? |
| 19:50.24 | jelly-home | Yondering: do you happen to remember old values for your DNS servers? |
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| 19:50.46 | ajavid | what is the way to setup dns caching on deniab? |
| 19:50.50 | ajavid | debian |
| 19:50.52 | JW | Does anyone know how to "Page up" in screen so I can see output that scrolled up off the top of the terminal? |
| 19:51.13 | avu | C-a ESC |
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| 19:51.18 | ajavid | everytime it tries to go to google it looks it up dirst for a few seconds |
| 19:51.19 | avu | then you can move the cursor up |
| 19:51.23 | ajavid | first |
| 19:51.26 | jelly-home | Yondering: if you changed the IP (or even moved the domain completely, NS records and all) recently, and the domain existed beforehand, and the old zone was set with default expiration values, it will take ISPs around the world some time to expire old cached values |
| 19:51.39 | alleyoopster | JW: shift-pageup perhaps |
| 19:51.44 | azeem | (W 31 |
| 19:51.47 | azeem | oops |
| 19:51.52 | jelly-home | Yondering: the question is: did you remember to lower the TTL for your host in advance? |
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| 19:52.00 | JW | alleyoopster: I wish but it doesn't work |
| 19:52.06 | avu | JW, I told you |
| 19:52.09 | avu | JW, C-a ESC |
| 19:52.22 | avu | JW, then you can move the cursor, using Page Up for example |
| 19:52.32 | jelly-home | Yondering: if you have no idea what I asked, the answer is probably you didn't ;-) |
| 19:52.35 | hjb1 | HardDisk_WP: http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/Bonding |
| 19:52.37 | Yondering | jelly-home, no, I didn't. ;) still, this is odd to me. All three boxes are on the same router. |
| 19:53.19 | Qew | JW: try avu's suggestion or C-a [ after you've stopped scrolling and want to return, hit esc again. |
| 19:53.19 | Yondering | jelly-home, you figure this is something that'll fix itself by morning then? |
| 19:53.19 | hjb1 | HardDisk_WP: maybe that will help you, iirc it helped me eventually ;) |
| 19:53.19 | JW | yeah ok |
| 19:53.20 | alleyoopster | screen |
| 19:53.24 | jelly-home | Yondering: that is mildly interesting, yes. Do all the boxes have /etc/resolv.conf looking the same |
| 19:53.41 | jelly-home | Yondering: expect it to be ok in 24 hours :-| |
| 19:53.44 | Yondering | jelly-home, hmmmm checking dns on them now |
| 19:53.55 | HardDisk_WP | hjb1, hey thx |
| 19:54.01 | yonkeltron | is there a mapreduce implementation of some sort in debian? i checked for well-known ones like hadoop, disco and skynet but nothing. perhaps i'm missing something! |
| 19:54.19 | junix | abrotman: i added the driver module to the /etc/modules, but ifconfig said there was no such device when doing a ifconfig eth0 up and configuring it |
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| 19:54.24 | junix | was there sometthing i missed? |
| 19:54.24 | tresh | Hello. Has anybody encountered very slow linker times when linking big c++ projects with debug symbols (-g) on lenny or etch? |
| 19:54.29 | HardDisk_WP | hjb1, if I get done that Bluetooth PANd I'll write some howto in my blog |
| 19:54.38 | Yondering | jelly-home, oh, that's interesting. The two with the problem are using my router's dns. /facepalm. |
| 19:54.41 | JW | Qew: yeah C-a [ , PageUp/Down and ESC work great |
| 19:54.48 | JW | thanks fellows |
| 19:54.49 | nkuttler | junix: um, did you reboot? |
| 19:55.03 | junix | about 2 min ago, but i shouldn't have too |
| 19:55.07 | jelly-home | Yondering: stupid workaround: put "n.e.w.ip yonderhostname" in each of the nonworking machines /etc/hosts file |
| 19:55.07 | hjb1 | HardDisk_WP: nice idea |
| 19:55.23 | junix | for just entering an IP addy and bringing up the interface |
| 19:55.30 | junix | the kernel module was loaded already |
| 19:55.43 | jelly-home | Yondering: yeah, the router is likely asking the ISP dnscache, and they have old values cached |
| 19:55.59 | HardDisk_WP | ugh, that shit looks disgusting. |
| 19:56.02 | nkuttler | junix: does the card appear in lspci? |
| 19:56.04 | HardDisk_WP | http://www.archlinux.it/wiki/index.php?title=Bluetooth_GPRS_Howto |
| 19:56.05 | Yondering | matched resolv.conf on the broken ones to use opendns like the one that was working.. all good now, thanks. ;) |
| 19:56.09 | abrotman | junix: i thought it was bnx2 ? |
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| 19:56.25 | junix | abrotman: it is, i'm running 4.0r8 |
| 19:56.35 | junix | nkuttler: yes |
| 19:56.38 | nkuttler | that needs firmware, doesn't it? |
| 19:56.41 | jelly-home | Yondering: this means all the other clients of that ISP will have the same issue, should they try accessing your site |
| 19:56.45 | orion_x11 | how do I downgrade from squeeze to lenny? Only changing squeeze > lenny source.list does the work or my system could break? |
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| 19:57.02 | nkuttler | orion_x11: downgrade is not supported |
| 19:57.04 | HardDisk_WP | hjb1, another howto to forget - passkey-agent is not in debian |
| 19:57.22 | Yondering | jelly-home, it's a hobby blog. I'd be extremely surprised if anybody else in my ISP's area were regular readers. ;) |
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| 19:57.36 | orion_x11 | nkuttler: explain better |
| 19:57.38 | yoshio | ajavid: pdnsd is small, as is maradns. or setup bind(9?) as a local caching server |
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| 19:57.57 | jelly-home | Yondering: as an ISP employee, I can say we only clear our caches for big clients ;-) you might try asking them to flush it, or not |
| 19:58.06 | nkuttler | orion_x11: which part of it? |
| 19:58.20 | hjb1 | HardDisk_WP: do you have bluez-utils installed? |
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| 19:58.32 | hjb1 | HardDisk_WP: if yes, check /usr/share/doc/bluez-utils/examples/passkey-agent.c.gz |
| 19:58.35 | orion_x11 | nkuttler: the whole system squeeze > lenny |
| 19:58.40 | nkuttler | orion_x11:/msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 19:58.51 | Yondering | jelly-home, no need. long as I can see it, all I really care about for today. =] |
| 19:58.51 | jelly-home | ajavid: dnscache (from djbdns) works without hitches; though you might have issues with DJB's way of doing things |
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| 19:59.12 | trey__ | whats a good linux PDF viewer that uses tabs like FoxIt? |
| 19:59.48 | jelly-home | wine FoxItReader.exe? |
| 19:59.50 | jelly-home | hides |
| 19:59.52 | nkuttler | xpdf ftw |
| 19:59.54 | trey__ | hmm |
| 19:59.55 | obcecado | foxit for linux ? |
| 20:00.04 | trey__ | is there foxit for linux? |
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| 20:00.17 | HardDisk_WP | hjb1, thx |
| 20:00.18 | brabo__ | i like xpdf |
| 20:00.25 | trey__ | xpdf has tabs? |
| 20:00.27 | person2 | How should I get qt4 in Lenny? |
| 20:00.34 | yonkeltron | okular > * |
| 20:00.36 | hjb1 | xpdf don't have tabs iirc |
| 20:00.36 | jelly-home | person2: it's already there. |
| 20:00.37 | nkuttler | trey__: no. some window managers do |
| 20:00.45 | jelly-home | yonkeltron: kpdf! |
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| 20:01.02 | person2 | jelly-home: Hmm... well it's just that vym is being ugly. |
| 20:01.09 | trey__ | i like the tabs :/ |
| 20:01.28 | yonkeltron | jelly-home: disagree. okular > kpdf |
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| 20:01.47 | ajavid | what exactly is dnsmasq |
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| 20:01.54 | nkuttler | yay! pdf viewer wars |
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| 20:02.35 | jelly-home | yonkeltron: kpdf is much shorter to type. |
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| 20:03.05 | Smooosh | Hi, I'm attempting to install debian over the internet on a dedicated server to which I have no direct access. I'm using the rescue console to complete this. I've used debootstrap to install and then chrooted to it, all went ok and everything upuntil I attempted ot install the kernel/grub everything worked. When I attempt to install the kernel I recieve this: http://paste.debian.net/38426/ I believe this is because the chroot is unable to see the raw d |
| 20:03.05 | jelly-home | person2: that may be, but it still uses qt4 even in lenny |
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| 20:03.19 | trey__ | like i said, the default debian document viewer is nice and fast, i just want to be able to keep them all in one window |
| 20:03.43 | nkuttler | Smooosh: looks like you should mount /proc |
| 20:04.07 | Smooosh | nkuttler: "mount: proc already mounted" |
| 20:04.10 | Smooosh | I mounted that earlier :( |
| 20:04.13 | nkuttler | hm |
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| 20:04.24 | hjb | Smooosh: it'd a dedicated server, not a virtual one? |
| 20:04.24 | bzed | Smooosh: bind-mount /dev into the chroot |
| 20:04.34 | Smooosh | Yes hjb |
| 20:04.43 | jelly-home | person2: I don't know if messing with qtconfig-qt4 would fix that |
| 20:04.48 | Smooosh | Hmm bzed? That command isn't found |
| 20:04.51 | themill | trey__: use kpdf as a kpart within konqueror for tabs |
| 20:04.56 | Smooosh | or did I miss something? |
| 20:05.02 | bzed | Smooosh: man mount |
| 20:05.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, the cursor themes you brought up? |
| 20:05.21 | bzed | Smooosh: mount --bind ... |
| 20:05.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | vowels of chirst... that would be... like... "i"? |
| 20:05.38 | trey__ | themill, i use gnome |
| 20:05.42 | Smooosh | "mount: special device tmpfs does not exist" |
| 20:05.48 | themill | *shrug* |
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| 20:06.13 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, when? |
| 20:06.17 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, bowels ;) |
| 20:06.20 | person2 | Vym is being ugly; what shall I do? http://imagebin.ca/view/IYjpLNp.html |
| 20:06.31 | Smooosh | The command mount shows "tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=755)" |
| 20:06.35 | Smooosh | so tmpfs is mounted |
| 20:06.43 | ajavid | I setup dnscache, configured it, added nameserver 127.0.0.1 as my first line in resolv.conf |
| 20:06.54 | hjb | person2: what's ugly about that? |
| 20:07.01 | ajavid | now its a bit faster, firefox is not looking up google each tiem I search |
| 20:07.03 | hjb | person2: looks just as it should |
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| 20:07.08 | Smooosh | Hmm, theres two of them, "tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw)" also |
| 20:07.14 | ajavid | I read about dnscache, and its first result is on djb's site |
| 20:07.15 | Smooosh | Any ideas bzed? |
| 20:07.54 | bzed | Smooosh: mount --bind /dev /chroot/dev |
| 20:08.00 | bzed | Smooosh: whats so hard to understand? |
| 20:08.15 | person2 | hjb: Doesn't look like Qt does normally in KDE to me - not the usual plastik theme or anything. It looks similar in KDE. Look at those lines around the toolbars. And the shadows... :P |
| 20:08.16 | ajavid | what is he trying to do? |
| 20:08.17 | diffred | hi! need urgent help, how do I stop the printer (hpdeskjet) process ?? |
| 20:08.34 | nkuttler | diffred: man kill, man ps? |
| 20:08.42 | nkuttler | diffred: man killall even |
| 20:08.46 | ajavid | pkill |
| 20:08.50 | diffred | nkuttler, but what's the process :( |
| 20:09.03 | diffred | I already know how to use ps and kill |
| 20:09.03 | ajavid | diffred, he told you |
| 20:09.03 | nkuttler | right, pkill |
| 20:09.09 | diffred | oh |
| 20:09.10 | diffred | thanks |
| 20:09.11 | junix | ok, i did a lspci, it comes up and tells me its an unknown device |
| 20:09.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, May 1st, around 10pm CDT |
| 20:09.19 | ajavid | if you konw how to use ps, then why are you asking |
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| 20:09.29 | ajavid | you can find out the process and then kill it |
| 20:09.44 | hjb | person2: you've got problems :-P i have no idea, happily *not* using kde |
| 20:09.49 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, I do not recall. |
| 20:10.04 | person2 | hjb: I was looking for something more like this: http://alinuxblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/mindmap1.jpg |
| 20:10.21 | diffred | I don't know the name of the process of the printer |
| 20:10.26 | person2 | hjb lol |
| 20:10.27 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, skull, rabbit teeth? when did i ever talk about thsoe? |
| 20:10.46 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, which cursor theme is it? I want it |
| 20:10.54 | jelly-home | diffred: is there a cupsd process running? |
| 20:11.25 | hjb | person2: ehm, where's the diffrence besides one is blue and the other green? |
| 20:11.26 | diffred | jelly-home, yep /usr/sbin/cupsd |
| 20:11.41 | person2 | Hmm, I really need to get those menus in. |
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| 20:11.52 | person2 | Then you'd see. It's as if it's using the KDE2 theme or something. |
| 20:12.00 | jelly-home | diffred: do you just want to stop a runaway print job? |
| 20:12.05 | person2 | See at the start of the toolbars? That's one difference. Sec. |
| 20:12.19 | diffred | jelly-home, yep I want to stop the printer , halt it |
| 20:12.33 | jelly-home | diffred: run "lpstat" |
| 20:12.51 | yoshio | diffred: in your browser, you can admin your printers with webpage http://localhost:631/ if you are running CUPS. lpadmin (command line) has lots of options |
| 20:12.53 | diffred | jelly-home, lpstat: Unable to connect to server |
| 20:12.57 | Smooosh | bzed: Awesome thanks :-D |
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| 20:13.09 | Smooosh | bzed: Should I worry about the /proc/module errors? or should I bind /proc also? |
| 20:13.15 | jelly-home | diffred: all right, then just /etc/init.d/cups stop (as root) |
| 20:13.18 | Smooosh | Would they fix themselves when I boot into the kernel? |
| 20:13.26 | hjb | person: try qtconfig and qtconfig-qt4 |
| 20:13.30 | diffred | jelly-home, ok done :) |
| 20:13.30 | themill | person2: have you tried using qtconfig-qt4 to select the theme |
| 20:13.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, we didnt... http://pastebin.com/f7e68252b as a reminder |
| 20:13.52 | jelly-home | diffred: powercycle the printer to clean up its internal buffers |
| 20:14.06 | diffred | jelly-home, how do I do that :O |
| 20:14.07 | hjb | person: which version of debian are you using? |
| 20:14.24 | person | hjb Lenny |
| 20:14.26 | jelly-home | diffred: er, power it off, then on? |
| 20:14.30 | hjb | diffred: shwitch it off and back on again ^^ |
| 20:14.31 | person | thanks hjb |
| 20:14.38 | hjb | person: did that work? |
| 20:14.40 | diffred | jelly-home, well the printer has just stopped :) cool thanks so much |
| 20:14.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, I've used the theme from ... I think crystalcursors for a month now... and there's a little skull in *all* cursor themes (it's shown e.g. when you call 'xkill') |
| 20:15.12 | jelly-home | diffred: yeah, but you still have to clean up the cups job after you start cups service again |
| 20:15.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, but the one in this theme has a squint and rabbit-teeth... I've not seen it previously, because only very few programs ever use that skull for the mouse-cursor |
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| 20:15.49 | bboksa | thanks to those of you who helped me with my ldap/php problem |
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| 20:15.56 | jelly-home | /exec -o xkill |
| 20:16.00 | person | hjb just fiddling now |
| 20:16.10 | hjb | person: ok, good luck |
| 20:16.13 | hjb | ;) |
| 20:16.18 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, i remember now |
| 20:16.27 | ajavid | cool |
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| 20:16.34 | person | cheers hjb |
| 20:17.23 | person | hjb i think there has been improvement in colour scheme, but that could just be because i'm in kde atm |
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| 20:18.18 | person | Aha, that sorted it hjb - thanks very much :) |
| 20:18.24 | junix | i can't seem to get the broadcom driver to load after entering it into the /etc/modules, i've tried bnx, bnx2, ti comes up in lspci, but it says its an unknown device type, i've also tried loading the firmware-bnx2_0.4+etchnhalf.1_all.deb, after loading the udeb file, it won't load |
| 20:18.27 | anddam | hi |
| 20:18.35 | hjb | person: np :) |
| 20:18.41 | anddam | what driver is right for a GeForce2 MX, nvidia-legacy ? |
| 20:19.11 | person | My desktop feels clean again :P |
| 20:19.12 | person | See you |
| 20:19.58 | hjb | problems ^^ |
| 20:20.28 | yoshio | junix: what device does it report in lspci? |
| 20:20.33 | simonrvn | anddam: yes |
| 20:20.37 | simonrvn | anddam: 96xx IIRC |
| 20:20.40 | anddam | and I can't find an nvidia-legacy kernel driver for 2.6.26, that I'm on atm, do I have to switch to another kernel or forwardport nvidia-legacy? |
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| 20:20.44 | junix | ethernet controller, |
| 20:21.02 | junix | yoshio: i thinks because i used the debian installed package and not the .deb pacakge |
| 20:21.29 | Nikola | Hello, heh, i got a very weird question. Is it actually possible to split the Debian ISO into 2 parts, and then unite it back under 1 iso? |
| 20:21.49 | hjb | Nikola: sure why not? |
| 20:21.55 | Nikola | How? |
| 20:22.03 | hjb | Nikola: man split |
| 20:22.09 | yoshio | junix: when you said Broadcom, I assumed you meant wireless - finally got my broadcom wireless working |
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| 20:22.24 | junix | no this is a gigabit ethernet |
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| 20:22.32 | Nikola | huh? im using Windows by the way, i want to switch to Debian :D |
| 20:22.35 | sylarrr | /dev/dm-4: read failed after 0 of 4096 at 0: Input/output error |
| 20:22.35 | anddam | simonrvn: I was wrong, there is -96xx for 2.6.26 |
| 20:22.42 | sylarrr | anyoe know this error ^^? |
| 20:22.55 | sylarrr | (while trying to create lvm) |
| 20:22.58 | hjb | Nikola: those are the little details that were missing in your first question ;) |
| 20:23.04 | nkuttler | Nikola: why do you want to split it? |
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| 20:24.17 | Nikola | nkuttler: because, on this computer i downloaded Debian DVD 1, i found out it can not read the DVD's i put in! So i can't burn it :(, but, on my laptop, which also has got that stupid windows, i can read those DVD's easy breasy, so i want to take it there to my laptop so i can burn it |
| 20:24.39 | nkuttler | Nikola: do you know about netinst? |
| 20:24.51 | Nikola | nkuttler: too late for that =/ |
| 20:24.57 | brabo__ | Nikola why don't you copy it over network? |
| 20:25.02 | nkuttler | or that |
| 20:25.03 | hjb | Nikola: network? |
| 20:25.07 | brabo__ | or use netisnt |
| 20:25.18 | nkuttler | Nikola: netinst is all you need and a very small download |
| 20:25.40 | Nikola | brabo: I want to install Debian on other Computers too without net, and i can't copy it over network :( |
| 20:25.49 | hjb | Nikola: btw google "windows file split" first result ;) |
| 20:26.31 | anddam | I have a weird issue with Xorg too, I'm actually running 1400x1050, I start xorg and everything is fine, the modilne is autoprobed, I launch xvidtune and tweak the refresh, I dump the modeline, add it to xorg.conf and I can see in Xorg.0.log that it's dumped when Xorg starts |
| 20:26.47 | anddam | but the ModeLine is actually working if I setup once Xorg has started |
| 20:26.49 | Nikola | Hmm, actually, im going to get USB with 8 GB's tommorow, so im going to put it on laptop using that, thanks anyways everyone :) |
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| 20:27.00 | HardDisk_WP | heh hjb, jelly-home: I managed at least pairing: you have to set security to auto when you run hcid as daemon... |
| 20:27.38 | junix | how do i manually load a module? |
| 20:27.47 | ajavid | modprbve |
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| 20:27.52 | hjb | HardDisk_WP: nice, that should have been the hardest part :) |
| 20:27.54 | OpenTokix | junix: modprobe |
| 20:27.56 | Smooosh | Does it matter that I have no /proc/modules? |
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| 20:28.05 | ajavid | i mean modprobe |
| 20:28.14 | yoshio | junix: did you modprobe the tg3 module? |
| 20:28.22 | junix | tg3?? |
| 20:28.23 | junix | no |
| 20:28.26 | junix | what is that one? |
| 20:28.59 | brabo__ | prolly *the |
| 20:29.01 | junix | u get thhis when doing a ifconfig eth0 |
| 20:29.23 | junix | eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 20:29.33 | hjb | HardDisk_WP: what happens with security none btw. ? |
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| 20:29.51 | yoshio | junix: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Ethernet_Controllers and http://hardware4linux.info/component/17158/ suggest tg3 for one Broadcom 10/100/1000 ethernet. don't know which Broadcom you have. |
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| 20:30.31 | HardDisk_WP | hjb, i dont want to try :D |
| 20:31.03 | hjb | HardDisk_WP: heh, ok :D I#ll do sometimes when i fell for challange |
| 20:31.03 | junix | yoshio: this is a Dell R610 |
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| 20:31.44 | hjb | HardDisk_WP: have to go... good luck! |
| 20:32.13 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 20:33.09 | enouf | ~~~-==========================-=9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~ |
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| 20:33.23 | enouf | ugh, sorry |
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| 20:33.46 | A2C2A | when using a custom dpkg-query format string, what unit is used for size, i.e. for ${Size} and ${Installed-Size}? |
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| 20:34.42 | enouf | well .. here's an example; dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less |
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| 20:35.21 | enouf | or did i completely miss the import of the question |
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| 20:36.17 | Decepticon | how can i use pgrep to see if a script is running? i know i can do pgrep bash, but thats useless, i want to check if a particular script is running or not |
| 20:36.47 | enouf | Decepticon: pgrep name |
| 20:36.52 | jelly-home | Decepticon: man pgrep, look into -f |
| 20:37.01 | A2C2A | enouf: kind of. I don't get what the number means... for example, for a package I know is 718.5 KB big, dpkg-query reports 2676 |
| 20:37.07 | enouf | pgrep udevd (for ex) |
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| 20:37.45 | jelly-home | udevd is not a script, enouf |
| 20:37.46 | Decepticon | im running a bash script, i cant pgrep somebashscript.sh, i have to do pgrep bash, which essentially is useless, but maybe -f does what i need |
| 20:37.47 | A2C2A | 2676 what? of course I could just do the division to get the number of bytes, but what's the idea here? |
| 20:37.51 | enouf | A2C2A: well .. now we're into diffs of d/l size, and unpacked and installed sizes -- always confuddled me too |
| 20:37.54 | yoshio | enouf: looking at your output, like "58236 linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 install ok installed", I typed aptitude show linux-image-2.6.26-2-686, one field shows "Uncompressed Size: 59.6M" |
| 20:37.58 | enouf | i just don't worry about it |
| 20:38.46 | A2C2A | but I need a way to get the (installed) size of a package for a script I have |
| 20:38.51 | A2C2A | are there alternatives? |
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| 20:39.03 | enouf | well, some are Metapackages (and, besides, most pkgs also have dependencies) as do all the metapackages |
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| 20:39.40 | Decepticon | thanks jelly-home |
| 20:39.43 | Decepticon | that works for me |
| 20:39.48 | enouf | A2C2A: i'm just too not focused atm - sorry - i might suggest grep-dctrl and dctrl-tools as an alternative -- or learn aptitude |
| 20:39.58 | jelly-home | Decepticon: -x can also be useful |
| 20:40.02 | anddam | simonrvn: reconfigured, let's try |
| 20:40.04 | enouf | jelly-home: right - so? |
| 20:40.19 | lcuk | how long does it take to become a debian packaging god? |
| 20:40.21 | A2C2A | I know aptitude, but I need a command-line too for a script |
| 20:40.30 | A2C2A | *tool |
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| 20:41.00 | Decepticon | also how can i tell pgrep to not output anything |
| 20:41.05 | Decepticon | im using it in a script |
| 20:41.05 | enouf | jelly-home: i guess i just never tried ... nm me for now |
| 20:41.22 | enouf | Decepticon: send it to /dev/null ? |
| 20:41.37 | jelly-home | Decepticon: just the generic >/dev/null way |
| 20:41.46 | Decepticon | ok i will try it |
| 20:42.20 | enouf | lcuk: how fast can you read? :-P |
| 20:42.40 | enouf | lcuk: more importantly, absorb what you read ;-) |
| 20:43.40 | enouf | yoshio: yes, the 58236 is in kB |
| 20:43.42 | stuNNed | enouf: is there a Metapackage for kde support in gnome for lenny? |
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| 20:44.50 | Nikola | Me read about that "bug" on GNU.org that, debian is not completely free because it has a bug that wrecks users freedom, and that Debian Project has ignored it for years |
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| 20:45.30 | lcuk | enouf, :) ive been absorbing info all year, now i have come to a complete braindrain and beyond my abilities |
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| 20:45.49 | Cim | hello |
| 20:46.46 | lcuk | ive been creating a kickass handheld UI for the nokia tablets running a variant of linux called maemo. the problem is, ive grown it from a seed to now on this one machine with no packaging or anything. |
| 20:46.51 | lcuk | heres a quick overview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY |
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| 20:47.06 | Selveste1 | Hey - can anybody tell my have the support for Debian (ore linux in general) is for an BlackBerry Bold 9000 ? |
| 20:47.21 | yoshio | junix: after doing "modprobe bnx2", did you get any errors? does it show up in "ifconfig -a"? |
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| 20:47.33 | stuNNed | Selveste1: did you check tuxmobil.org? |
| 20:47.40 | junix | yoshio: no it doesn't come up in ifconfig |
| 20:48.16 | Selveste1 | stuNNed: nope - but Im going to do that right away |
| 20:48.42 | stuNNed | Selveste1: found an IRC client there for my LG phone |
| 20:49.41 | Selveste1 | stuNNed: There is nothing about BlackBerry at all on that site :S |
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| 20:50.05 | yoshio | junix: try modprobe tg3 , and see if it appears in ifconfig -a |
| 20:50.22 | junix | ok rebooting right now with modifications to the /etc/modules... |
| 20:50.46 | yoshio | junix: no, you don't need to reboot |
| 20:50.59 | yoshio | just type "modprobe tg3" as root |
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| 20:51.26 | pingouin | Selveste1: http://www.blackberryforums.com/linux-users-corner/ |
| 20:51.27 | stuNNed | Selveste1: http://tuxmobil.org/phones_survey_rim.html though don't know if one of those is your model |
| 20:51.28 | junix | yoshio: i know |
| 20:51.46 | yoshio | junix: actually, bnx2 seems to be the right driver for your dell |
| 20:51.52 | junix | i know |
| 20:52.00 | Kuifje111 | jelly: are you still there? |
| 20:52.03 | junix | but lspci isn't coming up wiht anything |
| 20:52.07 | magyar_ | hi, anyone here tied setting up ldap and winbind? |
| 20:52.17 | jelly-home | Kuifje111: no! |
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| 20:52.39 | Cim | I've removed proftpd and now when system start I have message Not starting internet superserver: no service enabled. How to remove it and everything from this program? |
| 20:52.53 | junix | yoshio: its not showing up in ifconfig -a |
| 20:53.10 | Kuifje111 | jelly-home: im trying to copy files over ftp with my new nic, but my max speed is 12 mb/s which should be appropriate with a 100mbps nic but not with a gb nic. |
| 20:53.25 | Kuifje111 | jelly-home: is it possible that i would get better speeds with samba? |
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| 20:53.39 | OpenTokix | Kuifje111: Do you have a GBps-switch? |
| 20:53.56 | jelly-home | Kuifje111: most likely not, ftp is usually much better |
| 20:54.13 | Kuifje111 | I have got a cat5e cross cabel. |
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| 20:54.20 | jelly-home | Kuifje111: check the negotiated speed in dmesg. |
| 20:54.28 | type_generic | So I upgraded to debian sid, and I've lost my internet (I presume the new kernel image is missing the drivers) and don't know how to get it back. |
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| 20:54.54 | jelly-home | Kuifje111: like "tg3: eth0: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex." |
| 20:54.55 | sandman | What's the best kernel to use as a guest in Virtualbox? -[386,486,586,686]? |
| 20:54.59 | Selveste1 | pingouin & stuNNed: I don't have the phone yet, but I wants to know if its supported by Linux before spending 900 US$ on it |
| 20:55.17 | sandman | I'm guessing 386, but I'm also not sure =) |
| 20:57.02 | jelly-home | sandman: debian has no -386 or -586 builds any more; personally I'd use whatever build supports more of the features of your CPU, probably -686 |
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| 20:57.18 | jelly-home | sandman: there's a #vbox channel |
| 20:57.18 | Kuifje111 | jelly-home: thanks, will look at it tomorrow. |
| 20:57.29 | sandman | oh, thanks |
| 20:57.49 | pingouin | Selveste1: forget about it |
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| 20:58.08 | Gast_734_ | http://homie-96.mybrute.com |
| 20:58.27 | pingouin | Selveste1: RIM does not support linux, and if some stuffs works, it's only because some people try to make it work free, but it's not 'out of the box' |
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| 20:58.38 | yoshio | junix: does dmesg | grep bnx2 show anything? |
| 20:58.40 | pingouin | Selveste1: try to find something more 'linux friendly' |
| 20:58.56 | junix | no |
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| 20:59.04 | Selveste1 | Yes - But I don't wants an OpenMoko phone :P |
| 20:59.26 | pingouin | Selveste1: go for mac os X and iphone so ;) |
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| 21:00.10 | Selveste1 | Hmm, I don't think I will have an iPhone either - 10 of my friends have one :P |
| 21:00.20 | pingouin | Selveste1: or wait....some free os should be comming out from major companies like nokia in near futur |
| 21:00.36 | jelly-home | Selveste1: and that's a reason for _not_ buying it? |
| 21:00.55 | jelly-home | at least it has apt |
| 21:01.07 | type_generic | so is there a way to get my network drivers back? i just upgraded my desktop to unstable and it lost internet |
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| 21:01.45 | jelly-home | type_generic: boot the old kernel? |
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| 21:02.13 | pingouin | jelly-home: iphone is not 'hype' no more ;) |
| 21:02.20 | type_generic | jelly-home: that would work, but how would I get those drivers to the new kernel? |
| 21:02.21 | anddam | simonrvn: should this be enough? $ glxinfo | grep direc |
| 21:02.22 | anddam | direct rendering: Yes |
| 21:02.35 | type_generic | jelly-home: and how would I know what driver it is? |
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| 21:02.54 | Selveste1 | jelly-home: Yes, don't want the same as everybody else, and they are constantly wondering about when the new iPhone is coming... and like 60% of the there phones have bin changed because of failures |
| 21:03.08 | jelly-home | type_generic: you don't sound like someone that should use unstable |
| 21:03.22 | enouf | stuNNed: um .. metapackage for kde for gnome? dichotomy? .. maybe you want the various gtk-qt-* pkgs? |
| 21:03.46 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here familiar with network bridging? |
| 21:03.59 | enouf | stuNNed: or are they called qt-gtk-* ? use apt-cache search .. |
| 21:04.10 | pingouin | Selveste1: it's an endless run, with hightech gadget , once out, already has been |
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| 21:04.25 | enouf | lcuk: welcome to the party ;-) |
| 21:04.38 | jelly-home | type_generic: in any case, dmesg and lsmod output will provide clues to which driver is used |
| 21:04.53 | lcuk | enouf, :) |
| 21:04.54 | stuNNed | enouf: thanks |
| 21:04.58 | peterS | aij: in case you didn't get an answer 2 hours ago (I didn't check): subversion with http/https access breaks in unstable because libneon27 uses a kernel feature that requires linux 2.6.27 or higher |
| 21:05.08 | pingouin | Selveste1: there is 'old' nokia - i mean less than 1 years - that can work with linux, they have sd card port, on the list on the web site someone gave you ealier |
| 21:05.19 | peterS | aij: you can work around it by downgrading libneon27 to the version in testing, or by setting 'http-library = serf' in ~/.subversion/servers under the [global] line |
| 21:05.44 | peterS | aij: ...in fact I believe a fixed libneon27 has been uploaded, so that's an even easier solution |
| 21:05.45 | pingouin | Selveste1: out of this, i think it's useless to think connecting a phone to linux , cause the companies doesnt care about |
| 21:05.45 | Selveste1 | pingouin: that's true - but BlackBerry have all time bin more business like phones |
| 21:06.10 | pingouin | Selveste1: so, keep an old computer with windows beside |
| 21:06.13 | thechef | in foremost: is the skip option "-s" useful in case the first cylinder is unreadable for some reason. Will it circumvent the inability to read from that cylinder and proceed instead of foremost having to retry again an again reading on the first cylinder? |
| 21:06.15 | yoshio | junix: are you using package fireware-bnx2 ? I see http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2008/10/msg00499.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2008/10/msg00073.html |
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| 21:06.29 | junix | yoshio: yes |
| 21:06.43 | HardDisk_WP | I use this script to bridge openvpn, which works: http://pastebin.com/m5f4ace4e . Now I want this bridge extend to bnep0 per http://www.gc-linux.org/wiki/Wii_Bluetooth_Network#PC_Setup |
| 21:06.52 | lcuk | enouf, i know once i get it all running it will be fine :) |
| 21:06.57 | anddam | how can I have a list of the available section in apt ? |
| 21:07.00 | anddam | sections* |
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| 21:07.04 | lcuk | its just such a slowdown and change from my current workflow |
| 21:07.10 | HardDisk_WP | it is ifconfig bnep0 0.0.0.0 up promisc |
| 21:07.10 | HardDisk_WP | brctl addif br0 bnep0 |
| 21:07.20 | HardDisk_WP | but why doesn't DHCP work? |
| 21:07.21 | type_generic | jelly-home: thanks, I've never run into something like this, everything always just worked |
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| 21:07.54 | nkuttler | anddam: google debian sections... |
| 21:08.04 | Selveste1 | pingouin: it a bit embarrassing, but I have a dualboot on my laptop cause of my school, so thats not the problem, I just wanted a compatible phone :P |
| 21:08.19 | anddam | how was it called that game of tux going down snow hills? |
| 21:08.21 | anddam | tuxracer? |
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| 21:08.33 | HardDisk_WP | anddam, yep |
| 21:08.42 | pingouin | Selveste1: that does not exist :/ |
| 21:09.03 | anddam | HardDisk_WP: did it change name? I can't see in aptitude cache |
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| 21:09.12 | pingouin | Selveste1: maybe in 4/5 years |
| 21:09.14 | stuNNed | enouf: ugh, still the fonts are messed up |
| 21:09.31 | HardDisk_WP | anddam, planetpenguin-racer |
| 21:09.40 | stuNNed | enouf: for apps like lastfm (kde app) in gnome |
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| 21:09.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Selveste1, Maemo is a proprietary distribution Nokia uses on their Internet tablets and smartphones (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_(operating_system) ) - all phones that run that will run any linux (but perhaps not have all features if some of the proprietary stuff is missing) |
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| 21:10.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Selveste1, same is true for googles android |
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| 21:11.49 | yoshio | junix: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=494936 -- maybe try the update-initramfs -u thing? |
| 21:12.03 | junix | ok |
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| 21:12.48 | anddam | HardDisk_WP: thanks |
| 21:13.24 | pingouin | Selveste1: by the way, i've solved all my phone/computer troubles this way : i bought a simple phone - it just make phone ! - and bought a moleskine ;) |
| 21:13.25 | HardDisk_WP | no prob |
| 21:13.32 | junix | yoshio: then what reboot? |
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| 21:13.58 | Selveste1 | CutMeOwnThroat: I have looked at android phones - but the only one that cane be compared with bold 9000 is one of the HTC phones, and have read somewhere that they are extreme slow CPU |
| 21:14.33 | yoshio | junix: I guess |
| 21:14.38 | Selveste1 | pingouin: That's not as cool :P |
| 21:14.40 | asdfqwer | what should i fix if my keyboard mappings got messed up when switching from kde to gnome. |
| 21:14.45 | pingouin | Selveste1: hype does not fit linux technical troubles ;) |
| 21:15.02 | yoshio | junix: http://ajithvs.blogspot.com/2008/04/this-is-account-of-problem-i.html -- this refers to Red Hat, and a cnic module which I don't have |
| 21:15.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Selveste1, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Embedded_Linux_distributions and/or the linux-ones from here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Embedded_Linux_distributions should give you a hint |
| 21:15.23 | asdfqwer | single-user mode still works, but anything using X is fubar |
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| 21:15.46 | Selveste1 | pingouin: I think the end of this is that I rebuild my laptop to an Mobil phone then :P |
| 21:15.50 | yoshio | junix: does hwinfo --netcard show anything? |
| 21:15.54 | type_generic | jelly-home: well none of my networks work. old kernel or new |
| 21:16.07 | junix | yoshio: booting |
| 21:16.12 | junix | then leaving |
| 21:16.31 | pingouin | Selveste1: think about moleskine ;) girls like to write they phone number in mine, with a nice pen ;) instead of the last electronic gadget ;) |
| 21:16.39 | yoshio | junix: do you have files in /lib/firmware that are bnx2 related? |
| 21:16.45 | junix | i think so |
| 21:16.50 | junix | yoshio: will you be around tomorow:? |
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| 21:17.11 | Selveste1 | pingouin: I must consider that then ^^ |
| 21:17.17 | pingouin | :þ |
| 21:17.33 | Selveste1 | Debian has en embedded version to right ? |
| 21:17.34 | yoshio | junix: your ethernet is not disabled in bios, is it? |
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| 21:17.52 | Selveste1 | *an |
| 21:17.59 | penguin_ | How doe you get apache to reread its configuration files? |
| 21:18.02 | junix | yoshio: no |
| 21:18.11 | junix | still not working |
| 21:18.17 | peterS | penguin_: same way you do for any daemon in debian: /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload |
| 21:18.24 | Selveste1 | penguin_: try /etc/init.d/apache reload |
| 21:18.25 | bzed | penguin_: apache2ctl graceful |
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| 21:18.34 | dustybin | do you guys run lenny on your server, and squeeze on your desktop ? |
| 21:18.35 | yoshio | junix: what kernel are you running, and are you on stable or testing? |
| 21:18.43 | penguin_ | It wont read them automatically will it? |
| 21:18.44 | dmoerner | dpkg, +tell Selveste1 -about embedian |
| 21:18.45 | dpkg | told Selveste1 about embedian. |
| 21:18.49 | junix | stablke |
| 21:18.50 | Selveste1 | dustybin: Lenny all around :P |
| 21:18.55 | junix | latest etch stable |
| 21:18.55 | dustybin | ok |
| 21:18.56 | yoshio | junix: does dmesg | grep eth show anything? |
| 21:19.09 | bzed | penguin_: peterS' way results in a hard restart of apache, while reload the same does as apache2ctl graceful - a graceful restart |
| 21:19.19 | junix | yoshio: no |
| 21:19.34 | peterS | bzed: if 'reload' is supported and 'force-reload' does something different, that is a bug |
| 21:19.45 | bzed | peterS: no |
| 21:19.53 | peterS | bzed: the reason 'force-reload' exists is not to provide something new: it is to do 'reload if reload is supported, or restart if not' |
| 21:20.05 | pingouin | penguin_: if you want to be sure make a typoo in the conf file, then use the bzed command gave you and check the log, the prompt will tell you it cant start apache |
| 21:20.17 | Selveste1 | dustybin: ore rather - Etch on some of the older servers, and lenny on the new one :) and lenny on Desktops and Laptops and Thin/fat clients |
| 21:20.31 | dustybin | ace |
| 21:20.36 | bzed | peterS: hmm, I was sure force-reload restarts apache |
| 21:20.59 | peterS | bzed: if so, that's a bug in the apache packaging; assuming 'reload' is supported, 'force-reload' is supposed to do the same thing |
| 21:21.01 | yoshio | junix: type rmmod bnx2 , then modprobe bnx2. does ifconfig -a show anything after that? |
| 21:21.20 | gaintsura | O.o MIT repo is down =( |
| 21:21.33 | gaintsura | err.. |
| 21:21.35 | junix | no |
| 21:21.41 | gaintsura | maybe not.. stupid sustem |
| 21:22.06 | gaintsura | iptables fail |
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| 21:23.01 | penguin_ | I do not have apache2ctl command. but reload command worked fine. |
| 21:23.12 | penguin_ | thanks! |
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| 21:24.05 | bzed | penguin_: you have apache2ctl for sure |
| 21:24.06 | bzed | penguin_: /usr/sbin/apache2ctl |
| 21:24.18 | yoshio | junix: only one bug on firmware-bnx2 -- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522206 |
| 21:24.45 | junix | yoshio: sending up a new debian 4.0r8 image to windows server then, will reinstall tonight using Dell iDRAC |
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| 21:24.47 | penguin_ | You are right. I typed it wrong. |
| 21:24.51 | junix | we'll seee |
| 21:25.19 | yoshio | junix: what is iDRAC? |
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| 21:25.30 | junix | integrated Dell Remote Access Card |
| 21:25.39 | junix | and I can load CDimages from there too |
| 21:25.45 | junix | its awsome |
| 21:26.40 | junix | yoshio: i'm out, thanks for your help! i will contact you tomorow if i need more help |
| 21:26.47 | Selveste1 | pingouin: BTW. do you know if OpenMoko project have achieve an stable and usable version yet? |
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| 21:27.23 | penguin_ | How do you chat to someone's attention and make it show red on xchat? |
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| 21:28.32 | Selveste1 | penguin_: Just put there name in your message to the other person |
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| 21:28.39 | kedare | hi all ;) |
| 21:28.45 | Selveste1 | hi |
| 21:28.48 | kedare | it's me or all the debian mirrors are buggy ? |
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| 21:29.41 | kedare | i tried 3 differents iso versions (mini.iso), and many differents mirrors, i always get the same error.... (Bad Signature) |
| 21:29.47 | Selveste1 | kedare: just you I think, ftp.da.debian.org is working fine |
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| 21:30.11 | kedare | (on 2 different computers ;p) |
| 21:30.22 | kedare | so i don't know what is the problem :( |
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| 21:30.44 | Selveste1 | kedare: it an netinstall then ? |
| 21:30.52 | kedare | yes |
| 21:31.03 | kedare | i tried both stable and unstable |
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| 21:31.42 | adb | kedare: file a bug than |
| 21:31.53 | kedare | the errors is: Can't check signature: public key not found, error: Bad signature on /tmp/net-retrieve**** |
| 21:31.55 | Selveste1 | kedare: try selecting eu-mirror Danish and then the one that is debian.uni-c.dk its working 100% |
| 21:32.05 | kedare | okay |
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| 21:33.43 | brabo__ | cd .. |
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| 21:34.31 | kedare | Selveste1: ftp.da.debian.org is down from me :( |
| 21:34.59 | Selveste1 | kedare: what about uni-c.dk then =? |
| 21:35.19 | kedare | Selveste1: same Bad signature error |
| 21:35.59 | Selveste1 | kedare: do you have other working equipment ? can you ping debian.uni-c.dk ? |
| 21:36.51 | Selveste1 | and if you are making an apt-get update on the working equipment dos it work then? |
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| 21:37.04 | kedare | Selveste1: yes it ping, it download file from FTP, but there is a problem with the key file (WARNING: multiple signatures detected. Only the first wil be checked) |
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| 21:37.20 | kedare | Selveste1: i don't have other computers with debian |
| 21:37.25 | kedare | not yet ;) |
| 21:37.46 | Selveste1 | is et stable ore testing ? |
| 21:38.02 | kedare | stable |
| 21:38.34 | Selveste1 | and64 ore i386 ? |
| 21:38.38 | Selveste1 | *amd |
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| 21:38.40 | kedare | i386 |
| 21:38.56 | adb | !key |
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| 21:38.56 | dpkg | it has been said that key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 21:39.05 | themill | !new archive key |
| 21:39.05 | dpkg | If you have fallen behind with your updates, then you may be getting this warning from apt-get update: "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 9AA38DCD55BE302B". Install the debian-archive-keyring package to load the new key or manually load the new key using apt-key after verifying that it has been correctly signed. Ask me about <secure apt> <apt-key 55BE302B>. |
| 21:39.58 | Selveste1 | try downloading this ISO - worked for my previously this day: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-501-i386-netinst.iso |
| 21:40.24 | Selveste1 | *earlier this day |
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| 21:40.43 | kedare | okay ;) |
| 21:40.54 | kedare | Downloading in progress.... |
| 21:41.06 | pipingcats | Hey, how do I remap my hard disk drives to different device nodes? |
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| 21:41.32 | Selveste1 | kedare: cool :) |
| 21:42.02 | pipingcats | For some reason, my disk drives have different labels in /etc/fstab and under gparted |
| 21:42.07 | eevar | my encrypted swap drive (on lvm, on a raid1 volume) started asking for a key as I upgraded from lenny to squeeze. should it be possible to encrypt it with a random key again? |
| 21:42.18 | pipingcats | sda and sdc are switched around. :( |
| 21:42.23 | adama_ | pipingcats: edit /etc/fstab |
| 21:42.58 | pipingcats | Thanks. That's all I need to do? |
| 21:43.10 | adama_ | maybe :) |
| 21:43.26 | adama_ | reboot and see if it worked |
| 21:43.32 | eevar | basically, is it supposed to work, or known to be broken? |
| 21:43.42 | pipingcats | I'm wondering why it still mounts my /dev/sda to root even though fstab is trying to mount my sdc to root |
| 21:43.48 | sandman | Is it possible to overclock a Celeron D CPU from within Debian? That is, without using the BIOS. The computer in question is an older HP, with a rather crippled BIOS; nothing in there for voltages or anything. |
| 21:44.04 | sandman | And why is it that when I try to read up on overclocking, the related forums seem to be filled with idiots who think they know what they're talking about, but don't. |
| 21:44.24 | adama_ | pipingcats: I think that is /boot/grub/menu.lst , the root line, that controls that |
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| 21:45.21 | pipingcats | sandman: Welcome to the wonderful world of power users |
| 21:45.24 | adama_ | editing that file will usually lead to grief though |
| 21:45.32 | pipingcats | Yeah, I'm not touching that. :3 |
| 21:46.08 | sandman | I know it's possible to control speedstep from within either /proc or /sys, I can't remember which exactly it was a long time ago. |
| 21:46.25 | sandman | But that's mostly for throttling and using power states. I actually want to drive it a little bit further. |
| 21:46.44 | sandman | See, mostly I just want to experiment. I have a new system sitting right here, but I was just going to throw this old one away. |
| 21:47.08 | sandman | So I wanted to see how hard I could push it before I tossed it. So anyway, just looking for a way to overclock it from within my Debian installation (BIOS has no relevant options) |
| 21:47.11 | sandman | Is this impossible? |
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| 21:47.33 | {g} | Hey People! How do I get all lines from a.txt that are not in b.txt ? |
| 21:47.34 | asdfqwer | when is hal intialized during boot? |
| 21:47.48 | sandman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.06 | sandman | asdfqwer: Pretty early... isn't it in dmesg? |
| 21:48.26 | asdfqwer | sandman, funny you should ask... |
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| 21:49.10 | asdfqwer | anything that depends on an X display-manager remaps my keyboard to nonsense |
| 21:49.36 | asdfqwer | so i can only make writes in single-user mode |
| 21:49.40 | sandman | asdfqwer: Which xdm are you using? |
| 21:49.47 | type | So I'm having problems with my internet - X-chat works. terminal based internet things work, but browsers dont |
| 21:49.55 | jelly-home | !test |
| 21:49.56 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 21:50.00 | sandman | type: What exactly doesn't work about them? |
| 21:50.01 | sparr | Is there a tool that will try different resolution/refresh rate combos and have me accept/reject them to create an Xorg.conf? X's autodetection works about 99% of the time for me, but occasionally I end up in a mode that my monitor doesn't support and I have to restart X, I'd like that to not happen any more. Or, is there a way to find out what is "wrong" with one mode? |
| 21:50.06 | asdfqwer | sandman, kdm was installed originally but neither work (gdm or kdm) |
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| 21:50.22 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 21:50.26 | type | sandman: well if i go to firefox, iceweasel, or epiphany and try to google something, nothing happens |
| 21:50.37 | HardDisk_WP | I found a bug in bluez-utils (maybe even security-relevant) |
| 21:50.44 | HardDisk_WP | problem is: reportbug also doesnt work |
| 21:50.55 | HardDisk_WP | reported bugs do not arrive |
| 21:51.15 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here with a working reportbug, a bluetooth dongle and debian testing? |
| 21:51.30 | HardDisk_WP | .oO( and a 2nd machine, you'll need two ) |
| 21:51.49 | sandman | Unfortunately, fellahs, I can't help atm. |
| 21:51.54 | sandman | Need to make dinner for the Mrs. |
| 21:52.08 | type | sandman: google's homepage loads (probably cached) in firefox, but searching keeps me at the home page. typing in any url fails, and tells me to get it out of offline mode. in my nm-connection-editor I have two connections, "ifupdown(eth0)" and "ifupdown(eth1)" |
| 21:52.11 | sandman | I'm sure someone else will help you, but try to formulate your questions in a less-vague fashion. |
| 21:52.13 | Selveste1 | pingouin: Think its going to be this phone anyway - http://www.gsmarena.com/blackberry_bold_9000-2370.php it seams nice :P and there is a little hope about linux support through 3-part software :P |
| 21:52.15 | sandman | I think you will get better results |
| 21:52.32 | sandman | type: There ya go =) |
| 21:52.33 | sandman | later all |
| 21:52.41 | asdfqwer | sandman, doesn't gdm and kdm typically use some sort of X startup script? |
| 21:52.55 | asdfqwer | opposed to booting straight from kdm/gdm? |
| 21:53.10 | sandman | I believe there are indeed common files between them... check their dependency list |
| 21:53.41 | sandman | But I'm seriously going now. |
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| 21:53.41 | penguin_ | Will ftp download a website recursively or do you need to use wget? |
| 21:53.41 | azeem | penguin_: ftp is a protocol, not an app |
| 21:53.47 | azeem | some ftp clients can do recursive get AFAIK, some don't |
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| 21:53.52 | penguin_ | Theire is an ftp client app |
| 21:53.56 | themill | looks at /usr/bin/ftp |
| 21:53.59 | dkr | penguin_: ncftp can do recursive gets |
| 21:54.14 | dkr | /bin/ftp doesn't |
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| 21:55.06 | mallxs | hi, i just did the 501 netinstall .... installed mysql ... but there is no mysql in /etc/init.d ?? is this new or a bug ? |
| 21:55.14 | va | how do i install WINE from unstable into lenny? |
| 21:55.19 | penguin_ | So what is better ncftp or wget? |
| 21:55.38 | penguin_ | isnt wine part of lenny? |
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| 21:55.51 | va | it is but i want a newer version |
| 21:56.08 | themill | va: sid has the same version of wine though |
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| 21:56.23 | va | bummer... |
| 21:56.42 | va | was hoping i could work out some crashes by getting a newer version |
| 21:56.44 | penguin_ | I recently installed mysql to lenny and it is in my /etc/init.d |
| 21:56.44 | octoserver | can i run the smartctl long test on more than one drive at a time ? |
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| 21:57.24 | penguin_ | Actuall installed to testing here. |
| 21:57.38 | Tramp | octoserver: sure. It runs "inside" the drive |
| 21:57.44 | Selveste1 | mallxs: did you remember to install mysql-server ? |
| 21:57.53 | Selveste1 | and not just type mysql ? |
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| 21:58.07 | Tramp | octoserver: smartctl just tells the drive to run it and does nothing else |
| 21:58.48 | mallxs | THX Selveste1.. my dombo i did the mysql-common |
| 21:59.03 | Selveste1 | mallxs: ^^ np |
| 21:59.35 | va | hey there seems to be a newer version of wine in experimental. How do i install that into lenny? |
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| 22:00.06 | mallxs | And this is maybe my 100 machine .. but i'm now recovering from a crash .. so bit in stress |
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| 22:00.09 | Selveste1 | va - don't know - way not just compile the newest version from winehq ? |
| 22:00.55 | va | Selveste1: dunno seems like a lot of work and i dont feel capable of doing it |
| 22:00.57 | themill | va: /msg dpkg ssb ; but adapt the instructions for "experimental" rather than sid |
| 22:01.39 | eevar | http://www.nabble.com/Bug-525955:-udev:-udevsettle-disappears-:-breaks-cryptsetup-td23271325.html -- suggestions? |
| 22:01.46 | jelly-home | va: even that version in experimental is a few releases back |
| 22:01.48 | Selveste1 | va - its like download - ./configure && make && make install :P |
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| 22:02.34 | va | Selveste1: but even if it works, i'll prolly have problems trying to remove it later? |
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| 22:04.01 | Selveste1 | hmm, make uninstall sometimes work :S |
| 22:04.32 | jelly-home | Selveste1: just remember not to delete the build tree |
| 22:04.33 | kedare | Selveste1: it looks like it work ;) |
| 22:04.37 | themill | va: doesn't winehq have .debs for debian of their latest release? |
| 22:04.48 | va | hey just found those :) |
| 22:04.56 | kedare | Selveste1: thanks |
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| 22:05.08 | va | thanks for the info guys i'll try the debs from winehq |
| 22:05.10 | Selveste1 | kedare: Nice :) welcome to the world of Debian then :) |
| 22:05.22 | octoserver | ive got errors on all 4 of my drives from smart. one drive had 346 error lol |
| 22:05.30 | va | themill: what does ssb stand for? |
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| 22:05.33 | bzed | Selveste1: you could use stow on /usr/local and use make install DESTDIR=/usr/local/stow/yourprogram |
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| 22:05.38 | octoserver | do you think my motherboard is taking a crap ? |
| 22:05.43 | kedare | Selveste1: so i thinks the mini.iso of the master server have a problem and all other servers have replicated it.... |
| 22:05.48 | themill | va: simple sid backport |
| 22:05.48 | bzed | Selveste1: probably need to clean up some paths then... but stow is always a good idea |
| 22:07.18 | octoserver | how do you see the status of a smartctl test after it has finished in lets say 37 min ? |
| 22:07.38 | dkr | the normal report includes info about previous test |
| 22:07.58 | Selveste1 | bzed: You definitely right |
| 22:08.14 | jelly-home | octoserver: just run smartctl -a /dev/whatever again |
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| 22:08.34 | jelly-home | octoserver: the test log will have a new entry |
| 22:08.51 | dkr | yeah, -a is what i mean tby normal report. just looked it up |
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| 22:12.38 | type | sandman: i uninstalled network-manager and it works now |
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| 22:14.49 | type | So network-manager has problems. Anyone know anything about it (debian unstable) |
| 22:15.05 | octoserver | jelly-home: thanks, i hope it checks out ok. i have a feeling it wount though |
| 22:15.17 | d0htem | use wicd network manager is wierd sometimes it wont connect to certain ap's |
| 22:15.21 | octoserver | i have errors on all 4 of my drives lol |
| 22:15.38 | octoserver | maybe the ata controler is crapping out? |
| 22:16.32 | type | jelly-home: Hey, I managed to figure out that I had my drivers installed, it was network-manager that was messing everything up. |
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| 22:22.27 | Zharf | oh man |
| 22:22.35 | Zharf | curlftpfs couldn't suck more |
| 22:22.53 | Dassu | :/ It is slow imho |
| 22:23.05 | Zharf | that's not the issue here |
| 22:23.15 | Dassu | Well. Sshfs is strangly a lot faster |
| 22:23.16 | Zharf | after it gets disconnected, it won't connect back again |
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| 22:24.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's something slower than sshfs? |
| 22:25.01 | Zharf | sshfs isn't slow |
| 22:25.08 | Zharf | I stream movies through it all the time |
| 22:25.34 | Zharf | streaming through curlftpfs works too |
| 22:26.01 | Zharf | but the disconnecting issue is something that makes me want to break into my friends place and install a proper system for him |
| 22:26.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, and Chicago isn't windy |
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| 22:26.23 | Zharf | I get ~5MBps through sshfs |
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| 22:27.14 | brammator | I have eth0 10.0.0.1/24 and eth0:1 10.0.0.2/24; apache2 is configured to listen 443 port (and netstat reveals tcp6 0 0 :::443 :::* LISTEN 28610/apache2); and nmap from 10.0.0.21 lists 443 port as open. but telnet 10.0.0.2 443 fails -- Connection refused, and tcpdump at 0.0.2 doesn't catch any incoming packets. why is that and how to fix it? |
| 22:27.45 | brammator | apache on 10.0.0.1 answers fine |
| 22:28.52 | Selveste1 | what about having the 2 interfaces on to dif. subnets ? |
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| 22:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zharf, transfer is not the point... re-connect is (listing directories, running find) |
| 22:30.24 | Selveste1 | *night to everybody |
| 22:30.32 | sylarrr | anyone know this: /dev/dm-4: read failed after 0 of 4096 at 0: Input/output error |
| 22:30.33 | sylarrr | ? |
| 22:30.34 | Selveste1 | says - night to everybody |
| 22:30.39 | Zharf | CutMeOwnThroat, reconnect? with sshfs? |
| 22:30.50 | Zharf | I never realised it disconnects |
| 22:31.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zharf, I mean accessing a new file... reading the dir etc |
| 22:31.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's extremely inefficient |
| 22:31.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | makes for horrible tab-completion |
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| 22:32.05 | Zharf | I suppose I never used sshfs for such things |
| 22:32.14 | Zharf | I just stream movies through it :) |
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| 22:32.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | you never moved around the filesystem or listed directories? |
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| 22:33.56 | edgardoweb | hi :) |
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| 22:35.34 | or4n9e | hi there. apt-get has some postinstall mechanism right? |
| 22:35.55 | or4n9e | I mean after apt-get upgrade e.g. ldconfig takes place |
| 22:36.07 | Zharf | CutMeOwnThroat, sure I do, but I never noticed any slowness |
| 22:36.12 | or4n9e | is this defined in the installed package or in apt-get? |
| 22:36.38 | themill | or4n9e: have you gone off and installed debian in the last 6 hours? Excellent! |
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| 22:36.42 | Zharf | CutMeOwnThroat, I never write files though |
| 22:37.03 | or4n9e | I'd like to know if it's possible to introduce a custom command that is executed after every install or upgrade done with apt-egt |
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| 22:37.14 | or4n9e | themill: lol |
| 22:37.38 | lostson | themill: everyone must install debian !! |
| 22:37.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zharf, hm, did you ever use sshfs in a network with more than a couple of ms ping round-trip time? |
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| 22:37.57 | themill | or4n9e: We explained to you earlier that this channel is for supporting debian users. Please ask your questions of whomever you get your linux distro from or ##linux. |
| 22:38.19 | or4n9e | themill: apt-get is a debian utility afaik |
| 22:38.27 | themill | or4n9e: Alternatively, use google. |
| 22:38.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | but this is not #debian-utilities |
| 22:38.54 | or4n9e | themill: you guys are not interested in supporting someone? |
| 22:38.55 | Zharf | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm not sure of the ping since my friends server doesn't respond to it but it's a 100Mbps (with 1Gbps backbone) network between our boxes |
| 22:39.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | on a local net? |
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| 22:39.34 | or4n9e | CutMeOwnThroat: I was not aware of this channel. thanks for mentioning |
| 22:39.37 | Zharf | CutMeOwnThroat, different subnets, he lives across the street |
| 22:39.57 | or4n9e | CutMeOwnThroat: is it the right place for apt-get questions? |
| 22:40.00 | themill | or4n9e: We like helping Debian users. Now please stop insulting us by trying to pretend that your questions are on-topic when you know full well that they are not, |
| 22:40.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | or4n9e, there is none... but there is #ubuntu or whatever you use |
| 22:40.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | there *are* differences between distributions and it's frustrating to run into them |
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| 22:41.51 | or4n9e | themill: listen man, I ask a simple question related to apt-get and your reaction is completely over the top. be respectful if someone asks a valid question |
| 22:41.51 | Zharf | ubuntus difference to debian is that it doesn't work |
| 22:41.51 | azeem | Zharf: please keep it on topic |
| 22:41.51 | Zharf | azeem, it is on topic! |
| 22:41.51 | azeem | Zharf: nope |
| 22:41.51 | azeem | random distribution bashing is not on topic |
| 22:41.51 | Zharf | well, the topic that CutMeOwnThroat brought up |
| 22:42.10 | azeem | or4n9e: please respect that this channel is about Debian support, not general application support, even if those applications are in or from Debian |
| 22:42.16 | Zharf | I can bash debian too if you like |
| 22:42.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok guys, enough ot-fun |
| 22:42.45 | or4n9e | ok guys, then tell me if it's possible with apt-get for DEBIAN |
| 22:42.54 | or4n9e | I'm perfectly fine with that answer |
| 22:43.12 | themill | or4n9e: man dpkg |
| 22:43.27 | or4n9e | ok forget it. thx anyway |
| 22:43.30 | themill | or4n9e: please just ask your own distributor. Many distributors heavily patch things heavily. Just because it was written for debian doesn't mean that we know anything about the tool that you have. (e.g. ubuntu's patch against apt is almost the same size as the apt source itself) |
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| 22:43.36 | d0htem | ill help ya |
| 22:43.51 | dondelelcaro | or4n9e: man apt.conf and read about Post-Invoke. |
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| 22:44.07 | azeem | I think he means dpkg triggers |
| 22:44.07 | d0htem | too much to scroll :o |
| 22:44.19 | or4n9e | dondelelcaro: thanks, that's a valid suggestion - it's apprecaited |
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| 22:44.55 | or4n9e | honestly this is the unfriendliest channel I've ever been in. why do you guys behave like this? |
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| 22:45.26 | d0htem | :/ |
| 22:46.27 | brabo__ | omg.. i think you hurt it's wee little feelings |
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| 22:47.00 | dondelelcaro | folks, if you want to meta-troll, use some other channel, please. |
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| 22:50.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | incidently, why did "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu!!" disappear from the topic |
| 22:50.24 | Selveste1 | says - night to everybody |
| 22:50.42 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: because no-one read /topic anyway |
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| 22:51.13 | intx | my hard drive is thrashing around a lot, how do I increase disk cache? |
| 22:51.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | got a point there... but one could always point to it and make ppl feel guilty for not reading it |
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| 22:52.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | intx, afaik all free ram is used for disk cache |
| 22:52.31 | dondelelcaro | intx: it'll automatically grow to the maximum available memory |
| 22:52.36 | Selveste1_away | CutMeOwnThroat: That would not help on or4n9e anyways :P |
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| 22:52.53 | intx | is there anyway to delay writing at the cost of possible data loss? |
| 22:52.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Selveste1_away, you said good night 5 times already... be gone! |
| 22:53.02 | kneer0w | yo |
| 22:53.06 | hochron | is debian unable to resize my windows partition because it is ntfs? |
| 22:53.13 | Selveste1_away | lol ^^ |
| 22:53.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, that worked |
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| 22:53.50 | bododo | hello... is it me you're looking for? |
| 22:53.51 | dondelelcaro | hochron: parted can in some circumstances |
| 22:54.30 | hochron | dondelelcaro: Should I try partition magic? |
| 22:54.52 | dondelelcaro | hochron: ntfsresize normally does it, but in some cases it isn't able. If you have other methods of resizing, and the installer can't do it, I'd use them |
| 22:55.17 | dondelelcaro | has only done NTFS resizing on two or three occasions, so can't really speak to its abilities in all cases |
| 22:55.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | intx, look in /proc/sys/vm/ |
| 22:56.32 | octoserver | SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 |
| 22:56.35 | hochron | Idondelelcaro: I cant even run parted on my working debian box, how do I run it if I dont already have a working system? |
| 22:56.52 | octoserver | # 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 8606 - |
| 22:57.01 | octoserver | does that mean my drive is ok ? |
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| 22:57.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | intx, also apt-cache show preload |
| 22:57.23 | octoserver | i did the long test. If there are any issues, it should have foind it ? |
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| 22:58.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | intx, you might also try to use "iotop" to figure out what's doing all those disk accesses |
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| 23:01.38 | intx | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks! you really know your stuff! |
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| 23:03.07 | Tramp | octoserver: yes. however, having no smart-errors does not mean your drive will not fail unexpectedly. |
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| 23:04.00 | octoserver | k, well being that i had a ton of errors in the smart logs for all 4 of my drives, something must be happening with my motherboard right? |
| 23:04.12 | octoserver | how can 4 drives be bad at the same time? |
| 23:06.32 | aij | octoserver: I could see a bad power supply also affecting all 4 drives |
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| 23:08.28 | mallxs | Where do i tel apache how to handle a file extension i always like to .incl to the list to handle like *.php ? |
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| 23:08.58 | octoserver | aij, good point. I did have some weird issues with power flutuations on my motherboard. I replaced the power supply and I still have issues. my 5 volts drops to 1.5 once in a while. I think the MB is messed up |
| 23:09.20 | octoserver | it happend after one of my wires froma plug caame out and shorted on the other power supply |
| 23:09.55 | d0htem | octoserver: once a pw supply goes bad it affects all the other hardware connected to it |
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| 23:10.44 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ....i cant mount any of my windows drives (partitions ) from debian 5 |
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| 23:11.51 | brabo__ | how do you try to mount it? |
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| 23:12.00 | cobra-the-joker | with nautilus |
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| 23:12.41 | brabo__ | ah |
| 23:12.45 | edgardoweb | lol |
| 23:13.00 | brabo__ | i don't know nautilus |
| 23:13.16 | brabo__ | but you can do it manually |
| 23:13.21 | cobra-the-joker | How can i ? |
| 23:13.39 | cobra-the-joker | nautilus is the file manager in gnome |
| 23:13.50 | brabo__ | ah |
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| 23:14.10 | brabo__ | i guess you can do it with that but i don't know how ^^ |
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| 23:14.23 | aij | cobra-the-joker: try using the mount program |
| 23:14.59 | cobra-the-joker | aij , is there is a way to make nautilus do that for me |
| 23:15.14 | brabo__ | prolly |
| 23:15.29 | brabo__ | but try in a terminal: sudo fdisk -l |
| 23:15.37 | d0htem | mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/folder |
| 23:15.42 | brabo__ | l as in list |
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| 23:16.10 | d0htem | man ntfs-3g that can also work |
| 23:16.22 | aij | cobra-the-joker: I'm pretty sure you'll have to get mount to work before nautilus would be able to do it |
| 23:16.33 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
| 23:16.34 | d0htem | nautilus should mount if ntfs-3g is installed |
| 23:17.17 | cobra-the-joker | i am installing it right now |
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| 23:18.15 | Slayer_X | anyone knows an alternative to du ? |
| 23:18.33 | aij | Slayer_X: what's wrong with du? |
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| 23:19.00 | dkr | ls -l |
| 23:19.09 | Slayer_X | aij: I need something like filelight but in text mode :) |
| 23:19.31 | dkr | ls -l has a "total" field |
| 23:19.44 | d0htem | Slayer_X: di |
| 23:19.45 | dkr | no idea what filelight is. |
| 23:19.46 | aij | Slayer_X: I often use du -sc * | sort -n |
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| 23:20.19 | cobra-the-joker | ok ...i installed and restarted ...but same |
| 23:20.25 | aij | Slayer_X: although if you want it to be correct wrt dot files you'd want du -sc .[^.]* * | sort -n |
| 23:20.29 | d0htem | i guess try ntfsprogs |
| 23:20.33 | d0htem | one of those is tied |
| 23:20.37 | d0htem | or apt-cache search ntfs |
| 23:20.46 | cobra-the-joker | u see ...when i open nautilus ...it tells me that i am not previliged |
| 23:20.59 | d0htem | sudo su |
| 23:21.00 | cobra-the-joker | i meen when i try to mount |
| 23:21.02 | d0htem | then nautilus |
| 23:21.41 | Slayer_X | aij thx I will read the du man |
| 23:21.46 | cobra-the-joker | cobra is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 23:22.06 | d0htem | lol |
| 23:22.16 | d0htem | u need to be root |
| 23:22.29 | d0htem | sudo nautilus or sudo su is how i do it but im on ubuntu |
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| 23:22.59 | cobra-the-joker | can i make this user in the sudoers ?? |
| 23:23.11 | adb | cobra-the-joker: verify you in some group like plugdev from cat /etc/group |
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| 23:24.23 | cobra-the-joker | like putting my name in plugdev ...like that --> plugdev :cobra ? |
| 23:24.44 | adb | yes |
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| 23:24.55 | d0htem | no more battery :/ |
| 23:24.58 | d0htem | gl cobra-the-joker |
| 23:25.23 | adb | not sure about group name , tho |
| 23:25.51 | cobra-the-joker | actually i am assigned in the plugdev :D |
| 23:26.04 | adb | logout/log in |
| 23:26.20 | HardDisk_WP | I want to build a debian package (bluez-utils) with my own --configure arguments. how do I do this? |
| 23:26.29 | HardDisk_WP | I already did apt-get build-dep and apt-get source |
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| 23:27.21 | cobra-the-joker | i have put my name infront of sudo group --> sudo:cobra |
| 23:27.59 | ponyofdeath | hi, guys setting up an small office mail server what spam filter do u guys recommend? |
| 23:28.20 | adb | not there ..cobra-the-joker |
| 23:29.08 | adb | conf is in /etc/sudoers |
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| 23:29.28 | brabo__ | yeah but shouldn't you use visudo to edit it? |
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| 23:30.40 | adb | not me |
| 23:30.40 | nsadmin | you don't have to... you can really use any text editor you want |
| 23:31.28 | brabo__ | okay then |
| 23:31.40 | nsadmin | but you'd have to run the editor as root |
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| 23:32.28 | brabo__ | visudo also has to be run as root |
| 23:32.53 | sylarrr | what is /dev/dm-4 ? |
| 23:33.24 | nsadmin | sylarrr: probably an lvm lv |
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| 23:34.29 | nsadmin | well representative of one in the same way that /dev/hda3 represents the third primary partition of the drive plugged into the master slot of the primary ide controller |
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| 23:34.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ponyofdeath, exim + spamassassin in server mode? |
| 23:34.52 | brabo__ | nsadmin why if it's the same is the sudoers file the only one that has it's own editor? just asking eh ;) |
| 23:35.25 | nsadmin | that would be my question too :) |
| 23:35.33 | brabo__ | aha! :) |
| 23:35.44 | brabo__ | i think we're onto something ^^ |
| 23:35.58 | Gun_Smoke | I am about to attempt a debootstrap install 1500 miles away for my MOM..... But the machine she has only has 128M ram.. So I mailed up DSL, Knoppix, and Debian #1 to be safe.. |
| 23:36.23 | nsadmin | I guess visudo makes it more convenient to edit that file if you know vi usably well |
| 23:37.11 | octoserver | vi makes me puke |
| 23:37.22 | Gun_Smoke | Cable connection, but I can't DSL to force a dhcp request, Knoppix failed my first go, and I need ssh to tar up some important stuff off the FAT volumes before I smoke them.. |
| 23:37.24 | nsadmin | use nano nano |
| 23:37.35 | nsadmin | there's not a shalzbot |
| 23:37.47 | simonrvn | safer - it doesn't even have to use vi(m), it reads $EDITOR, and does syntax checking |
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| 23:38.08 | octoserver | i also have that annoying problem with my wireless keyboard kernel errors ovewriting the screen whilst in vi and you can see no more. sux arg |
| 23:38.13 | Gun_Smoke | The installer seems to lack ssh, and I'm running out of ideas.. hints? |
| 23:38.16 | brabo__ | ah no nsadmin man visudo offers the answers |
| 23:38.57 | brabo__ | it has to to do with safe editing and locking againt multiple simultaneous edits and all :p |
| 23:39.13 | brabo__ | so yeah, nano should do fine ^^ |
| 23:39.29 | brabo__ | generally |
| 23:39.54 | Gun_Smoke | When I try to get openssh-serve for knoppix I first need to update, which fails with "killed".. I imagine it's because some cache is filling up somewhere.. |
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| 23:40.35 | lcuk | is autotools evil or am i just looking at it wrong |
| 23:41.46 | nsadmin | as simon said, it will use any editor and it will check at least after you're done if the file looks right |
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| 23:41.58 | JordiGH | Should I reboot if I installed a new libgc? |
| 23:42.15 | adb | libgc ? |
| 23:42.28 | JordiGH | libc6, I mean. |
| 23:43.09 | adb | haw was installed ? |
| 23:43.25 | JordiGH | Uh, same way we install it every night, pinky. |
| 23:43.38 | JordiGH | TRY TO TAKE OVER DPKG. |
| 23:43.55 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: not needed |
| 23:44.17 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Sometimes I'm still amazed by how this works so well. :-) |
| 23:44.19 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: the things that have to be restarted should be restarted, and everything else can chug along as usual |
| 23:44.41 | JordiGH | installed a new Gnome... probably should restart Gnome. |
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| 23:46.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | would put the gnome in the garden. |
| 23:47.28 | JordiGH | Hm, dpkg threatened that it would restart X. |
| 23:47.29 | JordiGH | It didn'. |
| 23:47.32 | JordiGH | t |
| 23:47.36 | JordiGH | Silly dpkg. |
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| 23:48.34 | JordiGH | One of these days I want to see how to upgrade Linux itself without rebooting... like changing a car engine without stopping the car. |
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| 23:49.18 | cobra-the-joker | what is the code for fat file systems ...when i write fat and fat32 , it says --> mount: unknown filesystem type 'fat' |
| 23:49.26 | JordiGH | cobra-the-joker: vfat |
| 23:49.38 | JordiGH | cobra-the-joker: That's for all fats. |
| 23:49.45 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it's probably talking about xdm; restarting xdm often restarts X |
| 23:49.45 | cobra-the-joker | lol ...i made it :d |
| 23:49.53 | cobra-the-joker | and for ntfs ? |
| 23:49.58 | JordiGH | cobra-the-joker: Guess... |
| 23:50.05 | brabo__ | ntfs-3g |
| 23:50.06 | dondelelcaro | (other DMs don't do that, generally) |
| 23:50.10 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Yeah, gdm. I thought it would restart X, but it didn't. |
| 23:50.50 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Ooh, ooh, I know what I should have said! I'll put the KDE in the krapper! |
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| 23:51.02 | JordiGH | is so clever. |
| 23:51.07 | cobra-the-joker | :D ....cant i have automatic mounting ....i heard that its possible |
| 23:51.19 | brabo__ | yes it is |
| 23:51.28 | brabo__ | then you must edit the /etc/fstab file |
| 23:51.33 | JordiGH | hopes that automounting is fixed in newer gnome. |
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| 23:53.53 | cobra-the-joker | what should i write in options and dump and pass ?? |
| 23:53.59 | pl4yer0ne | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.02 | brabo__ | options rw |
| 23:54.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | what was that kde thingy he was talking about anyways :) |
| 23:54.14 | Yassine_Tn | Hello. I 've heard there is a Linux Programmer Manual. How can I install it on my Lenny ? ( and type "man cin", for instance ). My Lenny Has no network connection, but my 2nf PC (with Ubuntu) has one. |
| 23:54.15 | brabo__ | 0 0 rest lik pl4yer0ne said |
| 23:54.32 | cobra-the-joker | for all FS's fat and ntfs ?? |
| 23:54.46 | pl4yer0ne | cobra-the-joker, yes |
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| 23:55.54 | Yassine_Tn | Hello. I 've heard there is a Linux Programmer Manual. How can I install it on my Lenny ? ( and type "man cin", for instance ). My Lenny Has no network connection, but my 2nf PC (with Ubuntu) has one. |
| 23:56.10 | pl4yer0ne | man fstab to enlighten yourself on fields 5 and 6 |
| 23:56.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Yassine_Tn -about repeat |
| 23:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Yassine_Tn -about apt-file |
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| 23:57.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there isn't a manpage for "cin" in a debian package, I just looked |
| 23:57.19 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
| 23:57.28 | cobra-the-joker | is restarting |
| 23:57.35 | Yassine_Tn | Sorry about repeating ! |
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| 23:58.07 | Yassine_Tn | pl4yer0ne: Thanks for the hint, worked on my Jaunty. |
| 23:58.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I'm not so sure what you're talking about |
| 23:58.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, if the debian machine has no net, it seems rather useless |
| 23:59.17 | pl4yer0ne | Yassine_Tn, that was for the other person not you =D (but feel free to learn about fstab too) |
| 23:59.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | (it's perfectly fine to repeat when there's a chance that someone new dropped in and knows your anser... but wait >10 min) |
| 23:59.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | or at least until it has scrolled off the screen :) |
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| 23:59.52 | Yassine_Tn | pl4yer0ne: lol I typed it and I have got a man page from Linux Programmer Manual |
