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| 00:00.12 | dondelelcaro | kml: depends on the options |
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| 00:00.36 | johny-b-goode | I am using debian in gnome. I can't seem to get totem to shut up. I right-click on .mp3 files and select Open With, Open With Other Application.... |
| 00:00.39 | dondelelcaro | kml: man scp; and see the -p option. You also may want to consider rsync |
| 00:01.00 | johny-b-goode | I don't see an option to associate the select file with extension |
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| 00:02.58 | kml | ok, so with out -p it doesn't prevserve the orignal timestamp. |
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| 00:06.39 | lupine_86 | yay |
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| 00:09.49 | johny-b-goode | I am using debian in gnome. I can't seem to get totem to shut up. I right-click on .mp3 files and select Open With, Open With Other Application.... |
| 00:10.05 | johny-b-goode | sorry to repeat. Just hoping someone would know. |
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| 00:22.29 | owen1 | how to open the mixer for my logitech mic? |
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| 00:26.20 | dhendrix | silly question about make-kpkg -- how do I actually specify a kernel config file to use? I see where to specify the location? I see it looks in /usr/share/kernel-package/Config/ by default, but I don't know how to tell it to use /usr/share/kernel-package/Config/foo.config as my kernel configuration. |
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| 00:27.10 | sylar | while choosing bacula package in debian it wants to install exim |
| 00:27.23 | sylar | nd I have my own mta |
| 00:27.23 | sylar | <sylar> so I can't have it install exim on me |
| 00:27.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | you just specify a kernel version... |
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| 00:28.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, depends bacula |
| 00:28.17 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: bacula -- Depends: bacula-server, bacula-client |
| 00:28.57 | sylar | ? |
| 00:28.58 | themill | dpkg: tell sylar about bat |
| 00:29.10 | themill | sylar: also, /msg dpkg aptitude why |
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| 00:30.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | bacula-director-common depends on bsd-mailx which depends on exim4 |
| 00:30.10 | themill | sylar: did you install an mta from a debian package? |
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| 00:30.26 | dhendrix | CutMeOwnThroat: Were you responding to my question? If so, how does specifying kernel version relate to using a custom .config? |
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| 00:30.35 | sylar | no, it is a java mta |
| 00:30.52 | sylar | themill, I installed it myself |
| 00:31.13 | sylar | (manually) |
| 00:31.21 | themill | I don't want to know what's wrong with all the MTAs already in debian, do I? |
| 00:31.50 | sylar | themill, and I used synaptic not cli for trying to install bacula |
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| 00:32.30 | sylar | themill, "I don't want to know what's wrong with all the MTAs already in debian, do I?" I have my own mta, imho irrelevant |
| 00:32.49 | sylar | themill, hope it is allowed |
| 00:33.39 | themill | One day you'll learn to cooperate with the packaging system rather than fight against it, and then all our lives will be so much happier. "/msg dpkg equivs" and don't complain to us when it doesn't work properly for you |
| 00:33.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dhendrix, uh, I think I don't see how it can use /usr/share/kernel-package/Config ... doesn't it have to use one that depends on the kernel version? |
| 00:34.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's weird |
| 00:34.12 | simonrvn | wah, it doesn't work! |
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| 00:34.30 | sylar | themill, thanks |
| 00:34.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | wee, doesn't works! |
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| 00:37.01 | dhendrix | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes and no :-) "make oldconfig" is used to re-use .config files between kernel versions (this is the default with make-kpkg) |
| 00:37.14 | sylar | btw, synaptic has aproblem that whenever it does something it reset all the searches previously done |
| 00:37.26 | dhendrix | CutMeOwnThroat: The stuff in /usr/share/kernel-package/Config is default configurations for various architectures. |
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| 00:38.30 | dhendrix | CutMeOwnThroat: So it if I specify --arch=amd64 in my make-kpkg command line, it will use /usr/share/kernel-package/Config/config.amd64. My question is, can I specify --arch=amd64 and have it use my custom .config instead of config.amd64? |
| 00:38.36 | simonrvn | sylar: BTS |
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| 00:39.48 | dhendrix | i figure there must be a way... kernel developers would abandon this tool quickly if they couldn't use it to test new options. |
| 00:39.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dhendrix, it first looks for .config in your current directory |
| 00:40.23 | cobra-the-joker | KDE i more light than i thought |
| 00:40.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's actually right at the start of man make-kpkg... you know that part that everybody skips |
| 00:40.27 | dhendrix | CutMeOwnThroat: Correct. I have several .configs and I would like to simply point make-kpkg at one rather than having to copy it first. |
| 00:41.27 | dhendrix | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh geez, I must've skipped all over the obvious parts of the man page. Why don't you please point me to the part that answers my question so I can feel stupider? |
| 00:42.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/Rationale point viii sais that's exactly what you should do |
| 00:43.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | but except for the reference to the .config in the current dir I'm not sure how to switch the default |
| 00:43.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the very 1st paragraph kinda describes the behavior |
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| 00:44.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | albeit in none-too-clear terms |
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| 00:46.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno, I never needed to build for many architectures |
| 00:46.01 | dhendrix | I guess copying the config file to .config in the kernel source tree isn't so bad. |
| 00:46.42 | dhendrix | Heh, it's cool. Sometimes it's frustrating finding documentation for cross-compiling and automated builds since most docs assume you want to assume an architecture and do configuration interactively :-/ |
| 00:47.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, if you just do apt-get source linux-image-2.6.X , those are made to compile for all architectures that debian is ported to |
| 00:47.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I tried that once... it took bloody ages |
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| 00:48.30 | dhendrix | Yep. Which is why I want to automate the process more, especially when it comes to using my own kernel configurations. |
| 00:48.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the usual build for all repositories... make-kpkg &co are more for home-use, so you have to do the architectures one-by-one it seems |
| 00:49.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | why don't you just use that source package and replace the debian configs with your own |
| 00:49.33 | dhendrix | Oh, and invoke debian/rules directly? |
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| 00:49.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
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| 00:50.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | or dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 00:51.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's probably also easy to remove the architectures you don't want from debian/rules or wherever that is decided |
| 00:51.11 | usser_ | hi guys, is anybody running libflashplayer.so with nspluginwrapper on debian testing? |
| 00:51.24 | dhendrix | I've actually been thinking of doing that... Kind of going back and forth between debian/rules and make-kpkg. It seemed that make-kpkg basically does the steps I'd have to go thru in writing my own debian/rules, though i could be wrong. |
| 00:51.28 | dhendrix | (I'm actually new to Debian) |
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| 00:52.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | dhendrix, it probably compiles too much, though... because theres config.sparc64 config.sparc64-smp and so on |
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| 00:54.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | dhendrix, debian/control it is, I think |
| 00:54.40 | simonrvn | and ignores irrelevant ones.. |
| 00:54.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm? |
| 00:55.35 | nsadmin | dhendrix it does create a whole new debian/ dir with what's needed to cooperate with the packager |
| 00:55.47 | simonrvn | why would it build for a target when it's not needed? it doesn't do that on host builds, and i do believe it supports cross-compiling. |
| 00:56.29 | simonrvn | meh, just ignore me, i've had a long day |
| 00:56.55 | dhendrix | nsadmin: Yes, it creates the debian/ dir. As I understand, make-kpkg essentially boils down to a wrapper that writes everything in the debian/directory (given config parameters in /etc/kernel-package.conf and command-line parameters) and compiles the appropriate target. |
| 00:57.05 | dhendrix | Though again, I'm new to this so I could be seeing it in the wrong light. |
| 00:57.06 | ksnp | anyone tell me how to redirect ouptput of a ocmmand to a file & also see on the screen at the same time without having to run the command on two different consoles ? |
| 00:57.18 | dhendrix | ksnp: Try the "tee" command |
| 00:57.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | my, there ARE weird architectures that that kernel can be built for |
| 00:57.36 | dhendrix | ksnp: e.g. ./foo | tee log.txt |
| 00:57.46 | nsadmin | dhendrix: yes, and then packages the result |
| 00:57.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, there's arm and armel? |
| 00:57.53 | dhendrix | nsadmin: exactly. |
| 00:58.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | and a lot of architectures I really never heard off (or it just dosn't ring a bell) |
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| 00:59.23 | ksnp | tee ? |
| 00:59.29 | ksnp | ok.. |
| 00:59.32 | ksnp | cool.. |
| 00:59.37 | nsadmin | it's for golfing |
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| 01:00.08 | nsadmin | or for forming things that look like the letter T |
| 01:01.01 | dhendrix | ksnp: note that it will only capture stuff from standard input (stdin). Stuff printed to stderr (e.g. log or debug messages) might be omitted. |
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| 01:02.12 | nsadmin | right, instead of going into the tee, it would be output to the terminal |
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| 01:05.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, there's black tea and green tea... |
| 01:05.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | err... I might have misunderstood something there |
| 01:05.29 | deco | im leaving ubuntu im not a beginner anymore , fedora 11 or debian ? |
| 01:05.52 | usser_ | debian |
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| 01:06.11 | nsadmin | if you're not a beginner you can decide you're self |
| 01:06.17 | usser_ | you'll regret fedora when you'll have to deal with broken packages, and that happens pretty damn often |
| 01:06.25 | usser_ | on an rpm distro it does |
| 01:06.27 | nsadmin | even if you are you can decide yourself |
| 01:06.59 | xaashi | hi, sorry for the offtopic, could anyone help me make sense of tcpdump filters? |
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| 01:07.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I thought most ubuntu users are beginners... |
| 01:07.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | runs |
| 01:07.56 | dhendrix | You'd be surprised. |
| 01:07.56 | xaashi | i'm trying to filter by mac, using, the following, but i see nothing |
| 01:07.56 | xaashi | tcpdump -vv -i wlan0 '( ((ether src 00:14:7F:A6:52:20) or (ether dst 00:14:7F:A6:52:20) ) )' |
| 01:08.21 | izzyb | ubuntu is based on debian so you'll find it more familure then fedora |
| 01:09.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... perhaps rpm-based stuff works these days with yum or whatever they use... but it was a nightmare when I left it years ago |
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| 01:10.05 | izzyb | same here |
| 01:10.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | deco, probably also depends on the reasons why you want to switch at all |
| 01:10.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I don't see why) |
| 01:10.26 | deco | CutMeOwnThroat, i want control of my system |
| 01:10.38 | nsadmin | you have that |
| 01:10.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | how don't you have that now? |
| 01:10.53 | nsadmin | just for the fact you can install linux at all |
| 01:11.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | noo, I remember suse... you changed something and yast would come and overwrite it |
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| 01:12.04 | nsadmin | if you want control over your system that you think you don't have, then what's missing is knowledge |
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| 01:12.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess if I would be using ubuntu now, I'd stick with it... |
| 01:12.39 | izzyb | that comes with experience |
| 01:12.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I think that didn't exist when I switched to debian :) |
| 01:13.02 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: there's one file that has all the config... you alter that file and then yast writes all the other configs |
| 01:13.11 | izzyb | I use them both |
| 01:13.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, yes, and if that one file doesn't enable you to do the change you want, you're borked |
| 01:13.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I remember that all-too-well |
| 01:14.08 | eigma_ | trying to netboot DebianLive (etch) from an Ubuntu 8.04 server. I have DHCP, TFTP and NFS set up, and my diskless box goes as far as loading the kernel and the initrd. however, I want to skip the squashfs stuff and run the machine nfsrooted.. I seem to remember reading this in the DebianLive wiki pages and I have been looking for a while, but can't find it.. any ideas? |
| 01:14.11 | simonrvn | that's brain damaged |
| 01:14.44 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 01:15.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like you already have a clear idea |
| 01:16.03 | eigma_ | huh? |
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| 01:22.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | you already describe a detailed idea of what you want to do |
| 01:23.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | quite specialized, also |
| 01:23.03 | octoserver | CutMeOwnThroat: borked like the swedish chef ? Bork Bork Bork |
| 01:23.31 | brabo | CutMeOwnThroat i reverted recently from ubuntu to debian |
| 01:23.46 | abrotman | reverted? |
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| 01:23.48 | brabo | it's too much autoconf |
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| 01:23.55 | misreckoning | hi! I've lenny, and everything works, except sound recording. alsa-base is v1.0.19-dfsg-3, computer is Amilo Pa1510 (Turion X2 AMD), any hints? |
| 01:23.57 | brabo | uh depends on your view |
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| 01:24.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... well, if the next ubuntu really has this http://xkcd.com/416/ I might switch |
| 01:24.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | (memo to self never forget the --no-hostages option) |
| 01:24.51 | dhendrix | eigma_: If I understand the setup right, it sounds like you want to serve up a kernel and initrd via PXE, so you need to set up a PXE server. From your initrd you can mount your network drive and then chroot to it. |
| 01:25.04 | dhendrix | eigma_: just a thought. I've gotta run, but to me it sounds like you're missing the PXE stuff. |
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| 01:25.43 | brabo | misreckoning did you run alsamixer? |
| 01:25.52 | octoserver | haha funny shiznot |
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| 01:26.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | dhendrix, still trying it.. but seems getting the source-package and removing unneded architectures from debian/control works fine (I guess) |
| 01:26.15 | misreckoning | brabo: yes, actually GNOME alsa mixer |
| 01:26.32 | misreckoning | brabo: neither capture, nor digital "channel" works |
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| 01:27.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | (actually the "no WEP vulnerabilities found" is ridiculous, though so it shouldn't be a problem) |
| 01:27.13 | octoserver | memo to self, use --clean-all-tracks=usepigs |
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| 01:28.26 | brabo | misreckoning does line in work? |
| 01:29.00 | misreckoning | brabo: what do you mean, I don't understand? |
| 01:29.18 | misreckoning | brabo: I can speak on microphone and hear my voice on the speakers, if that is what you ask |
| 01:29.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 01:29.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell misreckoning -about alsa checklist |
| 01:29.37 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: I know... :) |
| 01:29.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I had that |
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| 01:30.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's also just a mixer problem |
| 01:30.02 | brabo | !tell brabo -about alsa checklist |
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| 01:30.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you set your capture devices wrong |
| 01:30.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell brabo -about selftell |
| 01:30.33 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: I set them wrong? I didn't set anything! :P |
| 01:30.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's different for every soundcard |
| 01:31.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can switch on capture with the space bar... |
| 01:31.19 | brabo | okay.. thank CutMeOwnThroat i have nothing to add ^^ except i just forgot about the msg alternative :p |
| 01:31.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hit TAB once to go to the microphone levels in alsamixer |
| 01:31.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you can switch capture to a channel with the space-bar |
| 01:32.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | for me, I have capture on "Mic" and "Capture" |
| 01:32.14 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: look, I really can, it seems like there are two of them |
| 01:32.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | quit weird :) |
| 01:32.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | quite* |
| 01:32.33 | misreckoning | and here it says "CAPTUR" and "------" :P |
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| 01:33.51 | misreckoning | weird thing is! |
| 01:34.33 | misreckoning | when I start recording, with the sound recorder, gauge is not moving, the whole system gets frozen, CPU runs 100%, I can't use the keyboard, but I still can kill the app with X (after dozen of clicks) |
| 01:35.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also #alsa |
| 01:35.23 | tox2ik | hi guys. im having a small issue. the root= boot argument is wrong in my /boot/grub/grub.conf, thus im in a busybox shell. how do i set the variable to the correct value (i know what it should be) to continue the boot process? |
| 01:36.12 | tox2ik | i mean without editing the grub.conf of even rebooting |
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| 01:36.57 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll check on that, but my guess is they'll tell me "oh alsa is old in lenny"... :P |
| 01:37.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | be sure of that |
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| 01:37.32 | misreckoning | I remember I had these issues with etch too, IIRC there was some configuration file, and I changed some snd- params... |
| 01:37.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions alsa-base |
| 01:37.35 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: alsa-base -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1 etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1 lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 sid: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 experimental: 1.0.18.dfsg+1.0.18a-1 sid: 1.0.20+dfsg-1 squeeze: 1.0.20+dfsg-1 |
| 01:37.48 | tox2ik | any other distro or initrc presents the user with a simple prompt.. id this absent with recent versions of debian ? |
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| 01:38.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, not so old... 1.0.17 vs 1.0.20 |
| 01:38.14 | tox2ik | come on... i know you know this stuff |
| 01:38.23 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: I think that I even upgraded from SID to 1.0.19 |
| 01:38.36 | misreckoning | yep I did |
| 01:38.44 | misreckoning | OK going there... |
| 01:39.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:39.10 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: linux-image-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 squeeze: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 sid: 2.6.29+19 |
| 01:39.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions alsa-source |
| 01:39.46 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: alsa-source -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1 etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1 lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 sid: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 experimental: 1.0.18.dfsg+1.0.18a-1 sid: 1.0.20+dfsg-1 squeeze: 1.0.20+dfsg-1 |
| 01:40.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess you can backport alsa from sid and install the kernel module from sid as well |
| 01:40.09 | tox2ik | ... set resume=/dev/sdXN ? |
| 01:40.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | misreckoning, /msg dpkg ssb for that |
| 01:40.29 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: kernel module? is that smart to play with? |
| 01:40.32 | misreckoning | oki |
| 01:40.46 | misreckoning | I guess it is just m-a thing |
| 01:41.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | tox2ik, last time, grub gave me the option to edit the current kernel options... so I changed these and then gave the command to boot |
| 01:42.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | misreckoning, I guess alsa-source walks you through (haven't done it in a while, though... that or m-a automatically gets the source package) |
| 01:42.41 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: what did you think about with "the kernel module"? |
| 01:42.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 01:42.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | misreckoning, ask #alsa 1st, though :) |
| 01:43.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps they DONT say it's "soooo old" |
| 01:43.19 | tox2ik | CutMeOwnThroat: but that totally sucks.. id have to reboot |
| 01:43.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | or perhaps they consider the version in sid old, too |
| 01:43.23 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: yep, they gave me smthng to read |
| 01:43.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | tox2ik, I thought you ARE booting right now |
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| 01:44.26 | tox2ik | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah. i changed the grub line.. |
| 01:44.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | tox2ik, if you're already booted, just edit /boot/grub/menu.list and run update-grub (man update-grub, mind the weird double-comment syntax) |
| 01:44.51 | tox2ik | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah i know |
| 01:44.54 | tox2ik | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
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| 01:46.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | then I have no clue whatsoever where why you asked and what the problem is |
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| 01:47.40 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: what is the point of the "alsa-source" package, I don't have that one built/installed - can that help? |
| 01:47.41 | Sashi | would intel atom be good for a webserver/mysql/php? |
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| 01:48.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | misreckoning, apt-cache show alsa-source tells you what it is? |
| 01:48.30 | abrotman | Sashi: depends on the load |
| 01:48.51 | Sashi | say.. 100hits max per second? |
| 01:48.54 | Sashi | err per min |
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| 01:50.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | eek |
| 01:50.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | what retard |
| 01:50.46 | wooj | lolwut? |
| 01:51.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | is he trying to collect more retards? |
| 01:51.16 | abrotman | it's been happening over the last couple of weeks |
| 01:51.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't imagine any sane person reacting to this in a positive manner |
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| 01:53.33 | simonrvn | i can't either. maybe out of curiosity, to see just how many dumbfucks there are in there |
| 01:53.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, I was tempted that way... |
| 01:54.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the only question to ask there would be "what retard goes around and spams for this channel" |
| 01:54.17 | Sashi | anyways.. |
| 01:54.22 | Sashi | yea.. abrotman |
| 01:54.47 | abrotman | Sashi: 'hits' mean nothing .. it depends on all kinds of things .. you could certainly try it |
| 01:54.59 | Sashi | oh? |
| 01:55.08 | dacs | is this right aptitude search X-Lite |
| 01:55.22 | abrotman | is there a DB backend .. are the queries complex? |
| 01:55.33 | simonrvn | hits is a completely bogus measure |
| 01:55.54 | dacs | or how can i search for x-lite softphone for lenny |
| 01:56.25 | Sashi | abrotman: WHMCS |
| 01:56.25 | abrotman | We Have Many Cat Suits |
| 01:56.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wanderers Hail Mothers Caring Softly |
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| 01:57.31 | Sashi | abrotman: no the billing manager WHMCS |
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| 01:57.40 | abrotman | i still don't know what that is |
| 01:57.53 | simonrvn | White Hats Mean Cutting Sharpies |
| 01:58.01 | misreckoning | uh :( |
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| 01:58.10 | dacs | How can i search for x-lite softphone for lenny |
| 01:58.13 | Sashi | abrotman: whmcs.com |
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| 01:58.23 | misreckoning | the guy at #alsa gave me an "advice" and as a result, I had to manually power off the computer, and then I had to use safe session in gnome :D |
| 01:58.34 | misreckoning | what a fail... |
| 01:58.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | good going so far, I guess |
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| 01:59.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're finding out ways how not to fix it |
| 01:59.24 | Blackmass | don't think there is an official debian package.. just download source from counterpath |
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| 01:59.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Weird Heros Managed Cute Sexbombs |
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| 02:00.20 | mib_u8ux23 | ok so i have a debian server and just took out a network card cause i just need the on board one now but now i cant bring up eth0 or eth1 ifconfig only has lo? |
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| 02:00.33 | abrotman | Sashi: yeah, it's not going to help me tell you if the CPU isenough .. |
| 02:01.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | 100 hits/minute sounds a lot for an embedded device, though |
| 02:01.27 | gil | how do i apt-get install a list of packages from a text file |
| 02:01.27 | Sashi | abrotman: well its MySQL soo.. ye |
| 02:01.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially if there's mysql involved |
| 02:01.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | that normally doesn't have so much ram |
| 02:01.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 02:02.18 | God_Like | anyone have a idea? |
| 02:02.33 | adb | !tell God_Like about 70 |
| 02:02.37 | abrotman | gil: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 02:03.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | apoptosis.... |
| 02:04.13 | God_Like | abd thanks for that but idk if that is what will help me? |
| 02:04.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | gil, perhaps xargs -a file apt-get install |
| 02:05.12 | gil | can i do $apt-get install | cat list-of-packages.txt |
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| 02:05.32 | adb | God_Like: edit it, please |
| 02:05.36 | simonrvn | he just told you a *working* way |
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| 02:05.43 | misreckoning | gosh... not my day... |
| 02:05.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | be fair... he *can* do that... it just doesn't do anything useful |
| 02:06.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's probably the most misguided use of cat imaginable :) |
| 02:06.16 | simonrvn | that was my point |
| 02:06.50 | simonrvn | even just plain cat -v<return> is more useful ;) |
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| 02:07.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell gil -about grounding |
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| 02:08.27 | brabo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.32 | brabo | crap |
| 02:08.42 | simonrvn | ugh. bx... |
| 02:08.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, grounding is too debian specific |
| 02:09.05 | simonrvn | i guess my cafeugo script isn't running |
| 02:09.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | he needs some shell fundamentals |
| 02:09.15 | simonrvn | !fundamentals |
| 02:09.15 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ |
| 02:09.37 | simonrvn | !rutebook |
| 02:09.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, rute is the Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition. A fantastic book that is available at http://rute.2038bug.com/, can be purchased at Borders, or install the 'rutebook' <non-free> package. It covers Linux in a very non-distribution specific method. The start of the book is "Binary and Octal" and ends with "Security Auditing". |
| 02:10.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | !general cli tutorial |
| 02:10.06 | dpkg | methinks general cli tutorial is http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/, or http://linuxcommand.org, http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/ or http://tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/index.html |
| 02:10.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | gil, ^^^ |
| 02:10.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess that's the most useful one |
| 02:10.32 | simonrvn | for that stuff yeh, more specific. |
| 02:11.11 | God_Like | "/lib/udev/write_net_rules" will that regenerate or i mean will that make the only card eth0? |
| 02:11.26 | izzyb | yes |
| 02:11.52 | izzyb | I frequently delete the contents when I clone a new virtual machine |
| 02:12.13 | izzyb | it auto detects and populates the file on the next boot |
| 02:12.28 | izzyb | not sure what specific magic makes that possible, but he likes it ;) |
| 02:13.05 | God_Like | izzyb: am i missing something? i get Missing $interface |
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| 02:13.35 | izzyb | from where? |
| 02:13.56 | izzyb | sorry I haven't been following. just noticed your last question |
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| 02:14.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, actually, apart from the -a option... "cat file | xargs apt-get install" wouldnt have been so useless(?) xargs apt-get install <file looks kind of weird to me |
| 02:14.54 | God_Like | izzyb: i tried to run that script... idk really what im doing but i took out a net card cause i just need the on board on and know eth1 and 0 dont excist... |
| 02:14.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, works though |
| 02:15.09 | simonrvn | tries to remember what he did last time he did something like that |
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| 02:15.34 | simonrvn | i think that's what i ended up doing, reading in from file |
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| 02:15.52 | izzyb | do you have any network interfaces? |
| 02:16.01 | izzyb | eth2? |
| 02:16.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | feels somehow wrong though to pipe into xargs via < |
| 02:16.12 | simonrvn | God_Like: that script is meant to be run from within something else |
| 02:16.47 | God_Like | izzyb: i have the on board one but when i do like ifconfig i get just lo |
| 02:17.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | gil, specially read this about pipes http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/unix3.html |
| 02:17.49 | gil | thx |
| 02:17.50 | izzyb | what does ifup eth0 say? |
| 02:18.11 | gil | i just installed a netinst of debian and already 470MB is used |
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| 02:18.24 | God_Like | unknown device |
| 02:18.37 | gil | shouldnt it be less than 470mb |
| 02:18.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | God_Like, look in dmesg if it's found during boot... try to load the correct kernel-module for that card with modprobe yourself, check dmesg again |
| 02:19.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | and/or look with lsmod if the module is already loaded |
| 02:20.17 | izzyb | God_Like, oh, sorry, I missunderstood your first question. I thought you were talking about ls /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 02:20.23 | jony123 | i was just wondering could i install a graphical interface over my command line machine and then run it when needed etc (something here) |
| 02:20.49 | izzyb | what is in that file? |
| 02:20.56 | abrotman | jony123: sure |
| 02:21.04 | jony123 | abrotman how hard would it be |
| 02:21.07 | God_Like | izzyb: in what file? |
| 02:21.30 | izzyb | /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 02:21.40 | God_Like | in that file i have entries for eth0,1,2 |
| 02:22.20 | adb | God_Like: edit it, please |
| 02:22.35 | adb | keep only eth0 |
| 02:22.45 | izzyb | k, that is the auto generated device list. you can delete its contents and it will auto generate with the current net devices it fined |
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| 02:23.04 | abrotman | jony123: not hard at all .. you can just install the WM and apps you want, and use startx when you want the GUI |
| 02:23.22 | God_Like | izzyb: so if i delete it all on reboot it will recreate? |
| 02:23.33 | adb | keep only eth0 |
| 02:23.39 | jony123 | abrotman what WM requires the smallest amount of system resources?\ |
| 02:23.53 | abrotman | jony123: probably not one you want to use :) |
| 02:23.56 | izzyb | adb the eth0 entry must be wrong if he can't do ifup eth0 |
| 02:24.15 | abrotman | jony123: a lot of people like a small blackbox based WM like blackbox/openbox/fluxbox |
| 02:24.53 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: hey, I did it! I just upgraded alsa-base, asound, alsa-utils and linux-sound-base (instead of upgrading alsa-base only as I did before) |
| 02:25.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | jony123, there's also aewm++ |
| 02:25.09 | adb | izzyb: he can't do ifup eth0 b/c interface was renamed .. |
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| 02:25.17 | abrotman | jony123: check xwinman.org to see a bunch of them |
| 02:25.22 | God_Like | izzyb and abd thanks for the help :) btw |
| 02:25.23 | izzyb | oh? |
| 02:25.23 | jony123 | please elabortate CutMyOwnTroat? |
| 02:25.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confetti misreckoning |
| 02:25.39 | dpkg | throws loads and loads of confetti all over misreckoning and shouts "Hooray!". |
| 02:25.58 | izzyb | sorry, I shouldn't butt in half way through. I didn't realize you were already helping him |
| 02:26.12 | izzyb | hope I haven't caused any confusion. |
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| 02:26.39 | misreckoning | is the happiest penguin on earth :) |
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| 02:27.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | misreckoning, pending global warming... |
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| 02:29.07 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: no global crisis/warming for me, as long as I have such a nice people to ask on #debian and #alsa! |
| 02:29.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | misreckoning, I was talking about penguins! |
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| 02:29.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | their world is ... melting |
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| 02:30.24 | sanmarcos | what is a good backup solution for debian. I am looking for something that can I can tell it "get X and X, and X folder, compress it, encrypt it, and upload it to multiple servers via SCP"? |
| 02:30.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's already pretty sure that the poles will melt off... but I'm getting further off-topic :) |
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| 02:31.07 | jony123 | abrotman do you reacomend anything? |
| 02:31.18 | sandman | Is there a libre-equivelant to Citrix? |
| 02:31.24 | abrotman | jony123: i kind of already did |
| 02:31.52 | jony123 | ohh :o ill scroll up |
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| 02:32.00 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: :( then I guess penguins will have to evolve, or they deserve to die :) |
| 02:32.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | sanmarcos, all that? don't know any... but I guess apt-cache search backup turns something up... (vbackup looks a bit like what you want) |
| 02:33.10 | misreckoning | going to sleep now, it is 4:30 AM here... I gave an oath I won't sleep until I fix the mic! now I don't have to go to winblows just to talk to my gf on skype... damn skype, we should try ekiga :D |
| 02:33.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | misreckoning, use ekiga or wengophone instead of skype |
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| 02:33.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 02:34.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | misreckoning, you phone computer-computer? |
| 02:34.11 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: aha |
| 02:34.27 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: there is nothing compatible with skype, so she will have to install ekiga/wengo too? |
| 02:34.39 | simonrvn | slype sux |
| 02:34.44 | simonrvn | sk* |
| 02:34.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean in windows world? |
| 02:34.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I really dunno |
| 02:35.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I normally phone to German/US landlines |
| 02:35.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | .. using a provider that's a hell lot cheaper than skype |
| 02:36.20 | adb | url ? bah |
| 02:36.29 | adb | nm |
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| 02:36.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm? |
| 02:36.36 | abrotman | misreckoning: skype is proprietary i believe .. i think ekiga/wengo use h.323 .. so any h.323 client should work ? |
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| 02:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but do you know any for winblows? |
| 02:37.30 | misreckoning | abrotman: right, it is compatible with windows meeting probably... good idea |
| 02:37.48 | misreckoning | err, I mean, net meeting |
| 02:37.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | meating? |
| 02:38.02 | abrotman | is that even still part of windows ? |
| 02:38.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | mating? |
| 02:38.09 | misreckoning | lol |
| 02:38.14 | misreckoning | meating :) |
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| 02:38.40 | misreckoning | really lol, sorry, khm, my spelling's OK :) |
| 02:38.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's an ekiga-beta for windows |
| 02:39.04 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: you mentioned something is *cheaper than skype*, what, where, how? |
| 02:39.16 | misreckoning | the wengo thing? |
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| 02:40.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's cheaper for me... there's a weird company called betamax which pretty much looks like a scam-trap... they have several (dozens?) of different websites which offer sip->landline... I'm using the one at voipstunt.com |
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| 02:41.12 | dalias | cheaper than skype? good luck... |
| 02:41.41 | dalias | $10/mo for unlimited calling to most developed countries is hard to beat |
| 02:41.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's something like 5h/week free phoning to certain destinations (Germany and the US are 2 of those)for... uh, 4 months? 6 months? and that for your 10 euro charge... after that time (or if you phone more than that/week) it costs their regular price |
| 02:42.00 | misreckoning | dalias: Bosnia is quite undeveloped soooo... :D |
| 02:42.17 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: "scam-trap" hehe, no thanks? :) |
| 02:42.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, I don't phone "unlimited" |
| 02:42.32 | misreckoning | wengo also offers pc2phone |
| 02:42.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | misreckoning, it has worked well for >2 years now |
| 02:42.35 | misreckoning | I just checked |
| 02:42.46 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: OK then I'll believe you |
| 02:43.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just mean... that whole set-up with one company appearing to be several ones smells kind of funny |
| 02:44.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and really, I don't know why they do that |
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| 02:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | but as I normally phone less than 43 minutes/day and only to Germany and the US that means I phone "free" for 6 months or so on my 10 euro, then 1c/min (also Germany/US) |
| 02:44.28 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: well, if you can "spawn" ten companies, maybe others will think that the market is saturated (enough "sites" do that) so they kill competition that way? :P |
| 02:44.34 | jony123 | i just intsalled fluxbox now how do i run it |
| 02:44.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | it really depends on the countries you want |
| 02:44.38 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: you were right, they are cheaper a little, 10% perhaps |
| 02:45.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | misreckoning, check the other sata^H^H^H betamax-spawn, their prices differ slightly |
| 02:45.17 | abrotman | jony123: did you install xorg also ? |
| 02:45.21 | jony123 | opps |
| 02:45.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | misreckoning, and it's only such a good deal for me, because I'm only phoning to the "FREE*" destinations |
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| 02:45.48 | abrotman | jony123: after you install 'xorg' .. you can probably just type 'startx' and get a window manager |
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| 02:45.54 | jony123 | cool |
| 02:46.01 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: parsing error, misreckoning couldn't parse "sata^H^H^H" invallid token ^H |
| 02:46.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | translates satan-spawn... err betamax-spawn |
| 02:46.34 | abrotman | mmm .. betamax |
| 02:46.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh :) |
| 02:47.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | misreckoning, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax_(VoIP_company) |
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| 02:47.10 | abrotman | mmm .. laserdisc! |
| 02:47.15 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: well, lol, so you live in a more developed country, have higher living standard, and you get to telephone for free - so unbalanced! :) |
| 02:47.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | 36 different voip-sites |
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| 02:47.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also a fraud-paragraph in wikipedia |
| 02:48.43 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah I'm paying attention to that one right now :( |
| 02:48.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, they never double-charged my card |
| 02:48.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
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| 02:51.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | "the same blog stated that there has not been credit card fraud, but customer's credit cards may have been compromised" - that I can easily imagine... if you had a credit card number etc. this is one of the services you would try to buy, I think |
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| 02:52.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | for all the other fraud-accusations... well, you risk 10 euro |
| 02:52.39 | jony123 | abrotman thanks it works looks good aswel |
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| 02:53.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if you're in bosnia and it's only 10% cheaper it's probably not worth the bother |
| 02:54.03 | abrotman | jony123: glad to hear it .. i would recommend that you check xwinman.org to see other window managers .. they have many different features .. |
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| 02:55.18 | JBstrikesagain | where on the debian FTP can I find the packages mentioned in this BZ http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=524300 |
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| 02:56.15 | Gruelius | Hi all how do i change the link encapsulation from UNSPEC to ethernet with ifconfig? |
| 02:56.20 | Gruelius | the man page didnt yell it at me |
| 02:56.45 | jony123 | yea one more question how can i install a web broswer onto it like firefox (but not firefox) |
| 02:57.36 | abrotman | jony123: iceweasel is available |
| 02:58.07 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, it doens't make any difference... well just stick to the skype-to-skype or perhaps gtalk if wine can run it |
| 02:58.21 | jony123 | sudo apt-get install iceweasel ? |
| 02:58.25 | misreckoning | going to sleep now |
| 02:58.33 | misreckoning | thanks for the help, you are the man! |
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| 02:59.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | misreckoning, might be worth to check out the sister-sites, though |
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| 02:59.17 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: do you work for them? :D |
| 02:59.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | misreckoning, www.calleasy.com e.g. is at 5c/min |
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| 02:59.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah, but if they die, I'll have to look for a replacement :-P |
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| 03:00.32 | jony123 | thx for your help abrotman |
| 03:00.58 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: hm, they are actually 0.16 for mobile, but 0.06 for landline, which is really great |
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| 03:01.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | as I (and wikipedia) said... they all have different tariffs |
| 03:01.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | pretty weird... |
| 03:01.32 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: drugs I guess... |
| 03:01.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I won't complain as long as it works for me, though :) |
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| 03:02.08 | misreckoning | CutMeOwnThroat: how do you use this thing? with which program? |
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| 03:03.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I use ekiga (wengophone also works)... wikipedia claims though that their offers differ in that regard also |
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| 03:04.00 | dalias | ? |
| 03:04.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | ! |
| 03:04.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ¿ |
| 03:04.15 | dalias | ekiga+wengo sounds interesting |
| 03:04.38 | dalias | in the long term i'd like a good calling setup without skype's proprietary nonsense |
| 03:04.45 | dalias | but no one else seems able to compete :( |
| 03:05.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you can /lastlog CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:05.11 | dalias | :) |
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| 03:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm quite sure they can compete with _skype_ |
| 03:05.50 | dalias | problem is it soundsl like using wengo would increase my monthly cost 4xor so |
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| 03:06.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | dalias, I'm not using the landline service from wengophone... I said I configure wengophone to use voipstunt |
| 03:06.29 | dalias | unless they can provide 15-40 hours of calling for $10 usd per month |
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| 03:07.22 | misreckoning | hey btw, what is the business model behind Ekiga, for example, I know Skype was VC funded, and it sold pretty well, and everyone lived happily ever after... |
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| 03:07.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | dalias, no, everything >20h/month and it becomes a worse deal |
| 03:08.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, >>20h/month |
| 03:08.14 | dalias | :) |
| 03:08.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | and depending on destination etc. |
| 03:09.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | 40h/month is rather insane, though :) |
| 03:09.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a full-time job |
| 03:09.39 | adb | secretary job |
| 03:10.00 | misreckoning | ekiga suggests https://www.diamondcard.us/\ |
| 03:10.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, that would've been 40h/week :) |
| 03:10.08 | misreckoning | they have solid prices too |
| 03:10.19 | misreckoning | going to sleep! 5 AM! arr |
| 03:10.30 | misreckoning | debian rules! good bye! |
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| 03:12.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2c/min to .de! |
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| 03:17.08 | woshfdwo | if i need to uninstall an application using aptitude but i cannot boot into the system could i boot into a parallel debian install, chroot into the fs of the damaged OS and us aptitude from there? |
| 03:17.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
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| 03:17.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | why can't you boot into the system? |
| 03:18.23 | oh_noes | Anyone got a sec to help me with a mdadm problem?: http://pastebin.com/m10018694 |
| 03:18.47 | oh_noes | I dont understand why /proc/mdstat is suddenly returning all 4 RAID10 drives as (S) .. spare? |
| 03:20.03 | Gruelius | might need to force re assemble it |
| 03:20.38 | oh_noes | Have you seen this behaviour before? |
| 03:20.44 | Gruelius | just thinking that because the drives all have different opinions on the state of other drives in the array |
| 03:20.49 | Gruelius | yes, ill go dig up the old forum post |
| 03:20.53 | Gruelius | cant remember the soln |
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| 03:21.03 | Gruelius | is the array working? |
| 03:21.36 | oh_noes | negative, mdadm --detail doesnt even return /dev/md5 as active, saying "mdadm: md device /dev/md5 does not appear to be active." |
| 03:21.37 | popeye | You sick, sick butthole licking UNIX fags. How DARE you use the disgusting and fecal OS that is Linux. Windows is BEST! You fags get raped in the mind by Tux. His fag penguin guise makes you shreik out in terror for Windows, but he fuckes you so much you are forced to use Linux. I bet the fags who reply to this are being ass raped as we speak. Linux is buggy, slow, bloated and turns you into a fag. Windows is best! You huge fruits and yo |
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| 03:21.42 | popeye | ur lies about bill games must cease. |
| 03:22.02 | Gruelius | oh_noes: he had a different solution |
| 03:22.11 | Gruelius | problem* |
| 03:22.15 | Gruelius | id try force assembling it |
| 03:22.26 | oh_noes | Gruelius: do you mind linking me? I could have a read. |
| 03:22.33 | Gruelius | http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php?showtopic=7310&hl=mdadm |
| 03:22.40 | oh_noes | I'm not too familar with mdadm, specially when it comes to fixing problems |
| 03:23.00 | Gruelius | completely different issue, one of his hdd's got degraded due to a I/O error |
| 03:23.45 | adb | popeye: go #windows |
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| 03:24.53 | oh_noes | Gruelius: thanks. Whats the command I'm looking for to force a reassemble? I just tried a normal reassemble with; "mdadm --assemble /dev/md5 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 /dev/sdf1" |
| 03:24.53 | oh_noes | and it returned: "mdadm: /dev/md5 assembled from 1 drive - not enough to start the array." |
| 03:24.57 | popeye | ADB I BET YOU ARE A TYPICAL FAT, SMELLY UNIX NERD |
| 03:24.59 | adb | !ops popeye spam |
| 03:24.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: popeye spam |
| 03:25.00 | popeye | WINDOWS IS BEST |
| 03:25.07 | popeye | !ops adb spam |
| 03:25.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: popeye complains about: adb spam |
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| 03:25.19 | Gruelius | oh_noes give us a sec, ill read the man page for ya |
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| 03:26.18 | adb | thanks |
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| 03:26.45 | woshfdwo | CutMeOwnThroat: encrypted lvm. boot fails right before i would normally enter my passphrase |
| 03:27.02 | Gruelius | try mdadm --assemble -f --scan /dev/md7 /dev/sdf1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 |
| 03:27.17 | Gruelius | you dont have a /dev/md7 device do you? |
| 03:27.20 | Gruelius | if so change it to something else |
| 03:27.52 | oh_noes | no, only md5 and sdc, sdd, sde, sdf |
| 03:27.57 | Gruelius | kk |
| 03:27.58 | Gruelius | try that |
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| 03:28.12 | Gruelius | giving it a diff name so it doesnt read the mdadm.conf |
| 03:28.18 | Gruelius | if you allready defined it |
| 03:28.46 | woshfdwo | CutMeOwnThroat: something to do with initramfs for what i can gather |
| 03:28.50 | oh_noes | its saying 'not identified in confile file' for each dev |
| 03:29.00 | Gruelius | thats allright |
| 03:29.03 | Gruelius | did it work/ |
| 03:29.15 | Gruelius | try mounting it read only |
| 03:29.16 | woshfdwo | i installed usplash then when i rebooted i could not access the system |
| 03:29.30 | woshfdwo | fails=hangs indefinitely |
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| 03:30.21 | oh_noes | nope didnt work, /proc/mdstat is only showing me 'sdd1' as the only member and the md5 as inactive |
| 03:30.36 | oh_noes | the last cmd i ran against it was "mdadm --assemble /dev/md5 /dev/sdd1" |
| 03:30.56 | Gruelius | try mdadm --assemble -f /dev/md7 /dev/sde1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdf1 |
| 03:31.08 | Gruelius | pm |
| 03:32.20 | Gruelius | if i compiled a module, installed it and it fails epically, how do i revert to the older module? |
| 03:32.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | eww, is it idiot-day again? |
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| 03:33.50 | GeorgeAScott | im having a horrible time with exim... |
| 03:34.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | woshfdwo, oh dear encrypted... guess then what you had in mind might work best indeed |
| 03:35.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | woshfdwo, you might still try booting into your system from a kernel from CD/other installation, though |
| 03:36.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | woshfdwo, actually, if you have a 2nd installagion on the same disk, why can't you just run grub from that one |
| 03:36.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !comfort GeorgeAScott |
| 03:36.17 | dpkg | There, there, GeorgeAScott. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:37.10 | woshfdwo | CutMeOwnThroat: there is no second installation. i dont have any cd's either. considering doing a fresh install just to have access to my data again though. |
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| 03:37.13 | Swistak | Hello |
| 03:37.34 | GeorgeAScott | CutMeOwnThroat: any idea why when I reconfigure exim4 to use split config files, i get an error saying that the config file is missing an .endif? |
| 03:37.36 | woshfdwo | haha. .pl you lie |
| 03:37.46 | Swistak | Can someone translate me this chmods drwxrwsrwx to something like 777? |
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| 03:38.28 | Swistak | woshfdwo, <: |
| 03:40.56 | LinuxMercedes | I've got an interesting problem: I have a Dell CSx without a CD or floppy drive. I don't think it can boot USB, and it has a dying hard drive. I want to install Debian on it. Any ideas? |
| 03:41.55 | GeorgeAScott | LinuxMercedes: if it has a dying hard drive, what are planning on accomplishing from installing anything on it? |
| 03:42.19 | LinuxMercedes | GeorgeAScott, I'm going to put a CF card in it with a CF->IDE adapter |
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| 03:42.24 | LinuxMercedes | sorry I left that out |
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| 03:44.56 | LinuxMercedes | GeorgeAScott, I have a wifi card for it |
| 03:45.02 | LinuxMercedes | if that helps... |
| 03:45.29 | GeorgeAScott | LinuxMercedes: ok... don't understand why you cant just replace the hd... |
| 03:45.55 | LinuxMercedes | GeorgeAScott, the cf card -> ide adapter makes the CF card act like a hard drive |
| 03:46.27 | woshfdwo | can i edit my repos to testing just so i can install a newer kernel version then edit them back to stable and continue using stable with the new kernel? |
| 03:46.28 | LinuxMercedes | So in essence I'm replacing the hard drive |
| 03:46.30 | GeorgeAScott | LinuxMercedes i understand how it works, just seems like a lot of extra work |
| 03:46.59 | LinuxMercedes | GeorgeAScott, yeah, but it's solid-state |
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| 03:47.55 | woshfdwo | ?? |
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| 03:50.07 | Debtisgoodforyou | Anyone else having problems with the Debian install stopping ("stalling") mid way through at 5%? |
| 03:50.22 | Debtisgoodforyou | Select and install software... 5% |
| 03:50.33 | Debtisgoodforyou | "Please wait..." |
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| 03:53.04 | blubaustin | hello |
| 03:53.28 | blubaustin | When I try apt-get update on debian I get a temporary error... I was trying to upgrade to sid when I got it. And I was also wondering, how I change from debian.org mirror to kernel.org mirror. I read it had something to do with reslov.conf but all that is in there is: 192.168.0.1 as the name server. Thanks in advance. |
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| 03:56.16 | Debtisgoodforyou | Why does Debian install stop everything at five percent?! |
| 03:56.55 | blubaustin | maybe a HD buffer error. |
| 03:56.57 | blubaustin | or CD buffer error |
| 03:57.09 | blubaustin | u tried a cdless install? |
| 03:58.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Swistak, I think you just did |
| 03:58.50 | Debtisgoodforyou | I am installing version Etch |
| 03:59.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know what LinuxMercedes plans... |
| 03:59.12 | blubaustin | well ok.. |
| 03:59.28 | blubaustin | u using a CD or unetbootin or what? |
| 03:59.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | !rube goldberg install |
| 03:59.35 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 03:59.58 | LinuxMercedes | lol |
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| 04:00.22 | Debtisgoodforyou | I vote punch card reader. |
| 04:00.49 | LinuxMercedes | I have a few puch cards, maybe I could load it on them |
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| 04:01.10 | Debtisgoodforyou | "Debian GNU/Linux, now available in CD-ROM, DVD, and on four pallets of punch cards!" |
| 04:01.22 | LinuxMercedes | lol |
| 04:01.23 | blubaustin | lol... |
| 04:01.29 | blubaustin | still nobody knows about my issue |
| 04:01.31 | blubaustin | appartently. |
| 04:01.36 | simonrvn | that's actually funny |
| 04:01.43 | pickcoder | no XOS tape reels? |
| 04:01.51 | dalias | i dont think 4 would be enough |
| 04:01.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Debtisgoodforyou, check the bts... there's some entry for the installer/the install cds |
| 04:01.53 | blubaustin | no apt-get doesn't work |
| 04:02.01 | dalias | isnt debian 6 fscking dvds now? |
| 04:02.05 | blubaustin | "temporary error" |
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| 04:02.08 | simonrvn | 4 |
| 04:02.24 | dalias | (1 of actual useful software and the rest every piece of random crapware someone packages :) |
| 04:02.25 | simonrvn | 15 cds iirc |
| 04:03.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | blubaustin, /etc/apt/sources.list ... you can /msg dpkg sources.list and /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 04:03.39 | monzie | Hello |
| 04:03.54 | blubaustin | rar... |
| 04:03.58 | monzie | spellcheck in openoffice not working on debian. Any tips? |
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| 04:04.08 | simonrvn | eew, not rars :P |
| 04:04.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | blubaustin, if it's not the mirror, you can pastebin the whole error and your current /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:04.28 | simonrvn | left... |
| 04:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, he left |
| 04:05.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course |
| 04:05.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually he left AFTER my 1st answer |
| 04:05.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird |
| 04:06.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps he didn't like it :) |
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| 04:08.34 | dacs | how can i access my linksys router from remote? or is it possible? |
| 04:08.55 | ultraj6 | enable remote managment on the router |
| 04:09.13 | ultraj6 | its not a very secure method to do it though |
| 04:09.41 | dacs | ultraj6: i guess i am screwed if i am 3k miles aways from it :) |
| 04:09.48 | ultraj6 | lol |
| 04:09.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how is that a debian question? |
| 04:10.01 | ultraj6 | unless you can tunnel thru the nat into a computer on that network |
| 04:10.33 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: i am just talking man, is it forbedien :) |
| 04:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | strectly! |
| 04:10.53 | ultraj6 | it could be a debian question if he is asking how to set up a vpn connection on a debian machine |
| 04:10.57 | ultraj6 | or a vpn server |
| 04:11.03 | dacs | ultraj6: i am ssh to my Debian box in that network |
| 04:11.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | or the linksys router is running debian :) |
| 04:11.18 | ultraj6 | oh then do apt-get install lynx |
| 04:11.24 | ultraj6 | and then go to 192.168.1.1 |
| 04:11.37 | ultraj6 | and access your router's web managment |
| 04:11.39 | dacs | oh i have lynx |
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| 04:11.48 | ultraj6 | yeah go to 192.168.1.1 |
| 04:11.51 | ultraj6 | or whatever your router is |
| 04:11.58 | ultraj6 | most likely your gateway IP address |
| 04:12.27 | ultraj6 | you could also use that ssh tunnel to tunnel a vnc connection through |
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| 04:16.57 | oh_noes | can any tool in debian test a disk to see if its ok? I have a potentially failed disk in an mdadm array, which ive removed. |
| 04:17.07 | oh_noes | I just want to run a 'full test' again it to see if it really died |
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| 04:18.51 | GeorgeAScott | i have a question related to ultraj6's... if i have a dynamic dns service that points to my server... is it possible to connect to a box on the same local network? |
| 04:19.22 | GeorgeAScott | i mean, i can ssh into one and then the other, but it seems redundant |
| 04:20.08 | ultraj6 | if you forward the traffic to that box |
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| 04:25.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh_noes, check it's smart record? |
| 04:26.12 | ultraj6 | its better to have just 1 box that you can access from the internet |
| 04:26.36 | ultraj6 | its less work if you audit logs |
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| 04:28.00 | GeorgeAScott | ultraj6, my web and soon to be mail server are on one box, but i'd still like access to certain items |
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| 04:28.56 | jhambo | how can I play a .wav sound from the command line? |
| 04:29.25 | ultraj6 | you want to segregate your internet facing machines from the rest of your internal network |
| 04:29.40 | ultraj6 | as they will be slammed constantly by chinese viagra bots |
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| 04:30.47 | ultraj6 | also you may want to consider using a VPN connection instead of a ssh |
| 04:31.05 | ultraj6 | if you need access to your internal network |
| 04:31.16 | dacs | ultraj6: lynx is so hard without imgs :) |
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| 04:31.28 | dacs | and linksys menu is all images |
| 04:31.31 | ultraj6 | lol |
| 04:31.32 | GeorgeAScott | i was looking into vpn today actually |
| 04:31.36 | hark | jhambo: any number of ways, aplay is one |
| 04:31.37 | ultraj6 | yeah thats tough |
| 04:31.45 | jony123 | can anyone tel me of their experiances with Xfce |
| 04:31.50 | jony123 | on debian |
| 04:32.05 | GeorgeAScott | but i can ssh from my phone.. can i do that with vpn? |
| 04:32.17 | ultraj6 | oh thats nice |
| 04:32.19 | hark | w3m displays images |
| 04:32.31 | ultraj6 | alot of times with phones they dont' let you use anything but http |
| 04:32.40 | nsadmin | is your phone on the vpn? |
| 04:32.47 | dacs | hark: how? |
| 04:32.49 | GeorgeAScott | it's called zatelnet |
| 04:33.13 | hark | dacs: install w3m-img |
| 04:33.40 | nsadmin | GeorgeAScott: what do you mean exactly? what can you do now and what are you asking, in detail? |
| 04:34.37 | nsadmin | you can ssh from your phone... to what? |
| 04:35.16 | GeorgeAScott | nsaadmin, i can ssh and ftp from my phone to my webserver, but i don't know if i can vpn from it, and i'd like access to files on my internal network from my phone. |
| 04:35.36 | GeorgeAScott | i haven't dealt with vpn.. at all |
| 04:35.40 | dacs | nsadmin: propablly to his Debian box |
| 04:36.04 | nsadmin | so you want to know if the phone can do this vpn protocol |
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| 04:36.51 | GeorgeAScott | i don't know what the vpn protocol is. |
| 04:37.05 | GeorgeAScott | hold on, i'll go look and spare you |
| 04:37.13 | ultraj6 | gre |
| 04:37.21 | ultraj6 | is the protocol |
| 04:37.35 | ultraj6 | at least for ipsec |
| 04:37.37 | ultraj6 | vpns |
| 04:37.48 | ultraj6 | protocol 47 |
| 04:37.51 | GeorgeAScott | ok.. yeah i can vpn |
| 04:37.58 | dacs | GeorgeAScott: what phone are you using? |
| 04:38.27 | GeorgeAScott | i617 samsung blackjack 2 |
| 04:38.28 | dacs | hark: is that like and addon to lynx for images |
| 04:38.52 | dacs | GeorgeAScott: and which application you are using to ssh to ur box |
| 04:38.55 | hark | no w3m is another browser |
| 04:38.59 | GeorgeAScott | its not the greatest, but i'm squeezing every bit i can out of it |
| 04:39.05 | hark | !info w3m |
| 04:39.12 | hark | !w3m |
| 04:39.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, w3m is an advanced text based web browser that supports mouse clicks, tabbed browsing, image rendering and SSL. w3m stands for "see the www" in japanese. When you pronounce w3m, it doesn't rhyme with "pteranodon". |
| 04:39.30 | martian67 | wat |
| 04:39.48 | GeorgeAScott | dacs i'm using zatelnet prof edition and for ftp i'm using resco explorer |
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| 04:40.00 | dpkg | w3m: (WWW browsable pager with excellent tables/frames support), section web, is standard. Version: 0.5.2-2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 1077 kB, Installed size: 1744 kB |
| 04:40.19 | dacs | GeorgeAScott: why are you using ftp and ssh?!! |
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| 04:41.02 | GeorgeAScott | learning experiences.. |
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| 04:41.19 | GeorgeAScott | not like i have a business to go under... or more scrap parts to loose |
| 04:41.24 | dacs | GeorgeAScott: FTP is no secure |
| 04:41.30 | GeorgeAScott | i know |
| 04:43.39 | dacs | hark: still its not showing imgs |
| 04:44.09 | hark | dacs: what is not showing images? |
| 04:44.32 | dacs | hark: so i did w3m 192.x.x.x |
| 04:44.41 | ZitZ | is there anyway to use a graphical login manager and not run gnome-session of xfce-session, i want it to use startx and xinitrc |
| 04:44.57 | hark | dacs: did you install w3m-img? |
| 04:45.04 | ZitZ | *of should be or |
| 04:45.08 | dacs | yeah |
| 04:45.29 | hark | dacs: what terminal are you running it from? |
| 04:46.16 | dacs | hark: hmmm, i am afraid i don't understand? Gnome, start>accessories>trminal |
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| 04:49.16 | TheColonial | hi guys, i'm just taking a look at the latest debian downloads and i'm a little confused. there's 5 DVD images listed in the downloads area.. is there a need to download ALL of the images? |
| 04:49.54 | pl4yer0ne | TheColonial, Depending on what you want to do, you may even be better off downloading a netinst |
| 04:50.08 | pl4yer0ne | and netinst is like 150MB from memory |
| 04:51.07 | Gruelius | if i installed a new module how do i revcert to the old one? |
| 04:52.25 | pl4yer0ne | Gruelius, more info please |
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| 04:54.30 | TheColonial | pl4yer0ne: ok thanks mate. i'm going to be setting up a server machine. |
| 04:54.35 | Gruelius | pl4yer0ne: i compiled and installed a new rt73 module |
| 04:54.41 | Gruelius | for this aircrack vmware imaeg which uses debain |
| 04:54.45 | hark | dacs: that should be ok; it should be displaying images... maybe try w3m google.com? |
| 04:54.50 | Gruelius | and the new module is for the old kernel wireless stack thing |
| 04:55.11 | pl4yer0ne | Gruelius, then revert to the vmware snapshot you created before doing that =D |
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| 04:55.24 | dacs | hark: still no images |
| 04:55.32 | pl4yer0ne | TheColonial, OK you probably only need the first cd image then |
| 04:55.49 | TheColonial | pl4yer0ne: thanks, your help is greatly appreciated :) |
| 04:55.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, can't figure out why iceweasel won't let me upload youtube videos anymore |
| 04:56.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | some javascript unpleasentry for sure |
| 04:56.35 | pl4yer0ne | TheColonial, yeah debian tries to keep the most frequently used stuff on the first cd |
| 04:56.57 | Gruelius | pl4yer0ne: LOL :( i guess ill hutn down a patched module lol |
| 04:57.50 | pl4yer0ne | Gruelius, the module instal should in theory have an uninstall |
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| 04:58.57 | Gruelius | would that revert to the old module? |
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| 05:01.09 | pl4yer0ne | maybe |
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| 05:02.40 | pl4yer0ne | you could also look in /lib/modules/<kernelver>/..... |
| 05:02.45 | pl4yer0ne | find the module |
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| 05:04.27 | Gruelius | ah k |
| 05:04.30 | Gruelius | cheers |
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| 05:06.36 | pl4yer0ne | but yeah first and foremost your a n00b for not snapshotting |
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| 05:07.18 | arvind_khadri | hi, i installed samba, but am not able to share folders |
| 05:08.18 | pl4yer0ne | arvind_khadri, have you edited your smb.conf? |
| 05:09.02 | arvind_khadri | pl4yer0ne, nope... wait let me have a look.. |
| 05:09.41 | pl4yer0ne | how are you trying to share directories? |
| 05:10.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is a n00b? |
| 05:10.35 | arvind_khadri | by using the GUI and askin it to share, it says that i must install samba or nfs |
| 05:10.58 | pl4yer0ne | CutMeOwnThroat, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newbie |
| 05:11.05 | arvind_khadri | should WINS=yes ?? |
| 05:11.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 05:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | eeek, light flickered |
| 05:11.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | power failure in some seconds? |
| 05:12.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | a new boy? |
| 05:13.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | new kids on the block... wasn't that a boy group... |
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| 05:15.36 | arvind_khadri | pl4yer0ne, any ideas? |
| 05:16.09 | pl4yer0ne | using what in the gui to share? |
| 05:16.50 | pl4yer0ne | is samba started? |
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| 05:17.30 | arvind_khadri | pl4yer0ne, yes its started.... the right click menu |
| 05:18.51 | Debtisgoodforyou | How do I add a mirror for apt to use as a source? |
| 05:19.09 | Debtisgoodforyou | I want to use us.debian.org or whatever. |
| 05:20.23 | pl4yer0ne | arvind_khadri, hmm ok im not familiar with the gui way so cant really help. maybe someone else can |
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| 05:35.26 | SeveredCross | It gets stuck on configuring here. |
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| 05:41.51 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: for a crazy experiment: `aptitude update` |
| 05:42.03 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: just thinking that you might have a broken apt-get... it shouldn't happen, but it seems possible |
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| 05:42.28 | blubaustin | ok one min |
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| 05:42.59 | tabrisnet | also, for another crazy... /etc/resolv.conf has a newline at the end, right? |
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| 05:43.28 | blubaustin | nope |
| 05:43.37 | blubaustin | oh and the resolv |
| 05:43.38 | blubaustin | IDK |
| 05:43.53 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: if that still doesn't produce useful results, `curl http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Release > /dev/null` |
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| 05:44.30 | blubaustin | nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 05:44.34 | blubaustin | thats it |
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| 05:44.52 | tabrisnet | right, but does it have a newline at the end. |
| 05:45.08 | tabrisnet | i'm just trying to make sure taht it can't be misparsed by something that isn't libc's resolver |
| 05:45.29 | blubaustin | no new lines. |
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| 05:45.33 | blubaustin | same thingy |
| 05:45.40 | blubaustin | nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 05:45.58 | losher | blubaustin: dig worked ok. I'm wondering if your router cache is screwed up. Just power cycle it. It won't take more than a minute or two.... |
| 05:46.30 | tabrisnet | losher: I dunno. given he can browse to security.debian.org... |
| 05:46.39 | tabrisnet | losher: that doesn't entirely compute to me. |
| 05:46.51 | blubaustin | um.. |
| 05:47.07 | blubaustin | what port does fetch use? |
| 05:47.08 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: what of curl? |
| 05:47.15 | blubaustin | post it again plse |
| 05:47.20 | tabrisnet | fetch? idk 'fetch' |
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| 05:47.33 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: curl http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Release > /dev/null |
| 05:47.34 | blubaustin | I mean of curl |
| 05:47.35 | blubaustin | ya |
| 05:47.46 | tabrisnet | http is http is http is http. and 80. |
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| 05:48.04 | blubaustin | I don't have curl. |
| 05:48.06 | tabrisnet | besides, this is stinking highly of a broken install of apt. |
| 05:48.08 | losher | tabrisnet: it's odd. But I'm not sure exactly what apt-get does to the urls it pulls out of sources.list.... |
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| 05:48.30 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: I guess you could use wget... |
| 05:48.35 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: wget http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Release |
| 05:48.48 | blubaustin | don't tell me I have to use wget |
| 05:48.54 | blubaustin | all the time to get what I need. |
| 05:48.57 | tabrisnet | i was kinda hoping for something that wouldn't litter your HD with a useless file. plus curl has more interesting debug uses |
| 05:49.07 | losher | tabrisnet: you'd think an apt breakage would be big news... |
| 05:49.12 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: no, b/c it wouldn't achieve the desired end unless you wrote your own apt-get update |
| 05:49.16 | blubaustin | aptitute though doesn't work. |
| 05:49.29 | blubaustin | I was wondering if I need to add the qwest DNS to resolv.conf |
| 05:49.30 | tabrisnet | yes, but aptitude and apt-get are presumably based on similar code... |
| 05:50.03 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: you could try it just as much as you could stick 4.2.2.2 into the resolv.conf too |
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| 05:50.27 | tabrisnet | meanwhile, if your router is behaving properly, it should make DNS resolution faster to use your router. |
| 05:50.47 | blubaustin | 4.2.2.2? |
| 05:50.54 | blubaustin | I don't think thats a IP.. |
| 05:51.03 | tabrisnet | it is. |
| 05:51.08 | blubaustin | wow. |
| 05:51.12 | blubaustin | *jaw drops* |
| 05:51.28 | tabrisnet | it's a verizon/level3 DNS server. |
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| 05:51.56 | tabrisnet | I generally only use it for testing... using it for production is probably rude. |
| 05:52.07 | losher | tabrisnet: that's why I wanted him to power cycle his router... |
| 05:52.20 | ananthgs | is there any way to start the software and security updates? |
| 05:52.20 | blubaustin | well.. If i can't get back on the net.. |
| 05:52.23 | blubaustin | I'll be screwed |
| 05:52.37 | ananthgs | i used to find them start automatically in the beginning |
| 05:52.41 | ananthgs | but not these days |
| 05:52.46 | tabrisnet | losher: dig works. how would apt-get not for that? i mean sure it's possible, but it'd be bloody weird. |
| 05:53.01 | ananthgs | please some one help |
| 05:53.16 | tabrisnet | ananthgs: I'm tempted to say no. |
| 05:53.27 | blubaustin | sudo apt-get upgrade. |
| 05:53.30 | blubaustin | geeze. |
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| 05:53.52 | ananthgs | what about security updates? |
| 05:53.54 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: i'm guessing he should be running ubuntu not debian if he has to ask that question. |
| 05:54.02 | blubaustin | does ALL UPDATES |
| 05:54.08 | losher | tabrisnet: the only thing I can think of is that apt-get munges the domain names, so it's not doing the same lookup. Maybe only cached dns entries are working... |
| 05:54.08 | ananthgs | nope i am using lenny |
| 05:54.09 | tabrisnet | ananthgs: uhh. hi. if you have your sources.list file setup correctly, it all comes with the package deal |
| 05:54.39 | ananthgs | yes now i can recall...i removed those lines from sources.list file |
| 05:54.44 | tabrisnet | losher: i'd guess it might be possible if apt-get has its own DNS resolver that is sending broken packets, or is using a lib that it's compiled against the wrong version. |
| 05:54.47 | blubaustin | what about a direct IP |
| 05:54.51 | blubaustin | instead of the address? |
| 05:54.52 | ananthgs | thanks for reminding me |
| 05:55.14 | nsadmin | tabrisnet: I've heard statements of that form made before, and they seem like the person is trying to punish and assumes there is no possibility the person can learn |
| 05:55.26 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: try replacing your 192.168.0.5 with 4.2.2.2 for a while. if that works, then yes, try using your ISP's DNS servers. |
| 05:56.05 | blubaustin | one min |
| 05:56.10 | losher | blubaustin: try tabrisnet's suggestion... |
| 05:56.14 | tabrisnet | nsadmin: it's more the response of a frustrated BOFH who has been through the wars. basically if a user is using Slackware or Debian or Gentoo and asking n00b questions, one starts to wonder wtf they're doing... otoh, it could be just a brain fart too |
| 05:56.21 | nsadmin | I mean, which is it? are you trying to helppeople or judge them? |
| 05:57.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw. is there some way to change the annoying copy&paste behavior that ...mmm... python/tk (?) applications show? |
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| 05:57.31 | nsadmin | tabrisnet: perhaps the bottom line is considering how the person who could be a newbie is trying to approach being helped |
| 05:57.34 | tabrisnet | nsadmin: sociologically speaking, one cannot separate analysis and 'judging'. we do it whether we intend to or not, esp as they're roughly the same thing. |
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| 05:58.07 | tabrisnet | nsadmin: I understand the n00b perspective just fine. I just think that you don't jump into the shark infested diving pool w/o having been on teh kiddie side first. |
| 05:58.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess that's a 'no' |
| 05:58.43 | tabrisnet | CutMeOwnThroat: idk what you're talking about, not having used any python/tk apps that i'm aware of. |
| 05:58.57 | tabrisnet | CutMeOwnThroat: plz dun take it personally. I just have no clue on that subject. |
| 05:59.13 | nsadmin | tabrisnet: so you're aware that you're being judgemental... I'll separate analysis from judgement for you right now... |
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| 05:59.23 | alexbodn | hello friends. package making questions here too? |
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| 05:59.37 | tabrisnet | analysis and putting itno categories is what the human brain does. naturally. |
| 05:59.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it was a "no" :) |
| 05:59.49 | tabrisnet | alexbodn: hmm. well, you could ask, but you might be better off asking in a devel channel? |
| 05:59.49 | nsadmin | judgement produces two possible results "good" and "bad" while analysis attempts to determine what the problem is |
| 05:59.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it's a general trait of Tk - not limited to conjunction with python |
| 05:59.56 | losher | blubaustin: making any progress? |
| 06:00.04 | blubaustin | on the phone |
| 06:00.05 | blubaustin | sorrys |
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| 06:00.24 | alexbodn | tabrisnet: what channel exactly, please? |
| 06:00.24 | nsadmin | anyway I'm not going to continue this, you've heard me and that's all I want |
| 06:00.29 | tabrisnet | nsadmin: rather interesting, but I try to not be so 2-sided about judgements. good/bad has categories too. |
| 06:00.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it's worse than copy&paste on that solaris-wm |
| 06:00.45 | tabrisnet | alexbodn: first guess, #debian-devel |
| 06:00.55 | alexbodn | let me try |
| 06:01.22 | blubaustin | ok so add those IP's |
| 06:01.24 | blubaustin | right? |
| 06:01.26 | alexbodn | it exists ;) . thanks :) |
| 06:01.59 | blubaustin | DNS and whatever? |
| 06:01.59 | losher | blubaustin: put 4.0.0.2 in place of 192.168.0.1 |
| 06:02.04 | blubaustin | um.. |
| 06:02.12 | blubaustin | I feel really uncomfterble replacing.. |
| 06:02.18 | blubaustin | can i just add it? |
| 06:02.19 | tabrisnet | losher: not 4.0.0.2, but 4.2.2.2 |
| 06:02.35 | losher | tabrisnet: my bad, thank you for catching that... |
| 06:02.42 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: if you 'just add it' you'll end up trying the router first probably and still end up wit the same result. |
| 06:02.52 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: so replacing, or just comment out the existing line and make a new one. |
| 06:02.53 | blubaustin | *takes a deep breath* |
| 06:03.01 | blubaustin | I am so tempted just to format this thing. |
| 06:03.15 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: proving it's not a lib problem would be simpler, no? |
| 06:03.20 | tabrisnet | it could be just that you have a lame router |
| 06:03.28 | blubaustin | its not lame. |
| 06:03.32 | blubaustin | it worked |
| 06:03.35 | tabrisnet | it's not so much to be ashamed of nowadays, nobody has a good router unelss either they built it themselves or it's Cisco |
| 06:03.36 | blubaustin | before I tried going to sid |
| 06:03.39 | blubaustin | I SWEAR |
| 06:03.52 | blubaustin | Its motorola |
| 06:03.55 | tabrisnet | I'm more the 'byor' type than the Cisco type. |
| 06:04.03 | blubaustin | I like linksys |
| 06:04.12 | losher | blubaustin: just get on with it, willya? |
| 06:04.29 | tabrisnet | sure, after i've replaced the firmware on my WRT54GL... but then i just used it as an AP. |
| 06:04.39 | tabrisnet | i built my own router that i'm much more comfortable about abusing. |
| 06:05.00 | losher | tabrisnet: I run tomato firmware on mine, pretty happy with it... |
| 06:05.05 | blubaustin | fine. one min. |
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| 06:05.11 | tabrisnet | losher: openwrt so far. |
| 06:05.33 | tabrisnet | openwrt is more like debian than tomato is, or at least that's the impression i got from reading up on it |
| 06:05.36 | blubaustin | how do I make ifconfig show dns? |
| 06:05.41 | tabrisnet | you don't |
| 06:05.44 | kornholi | openwrt is awesome. |
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| 06:05.53 | tabrisnet | kornholi: AOL! |
| 06:06.12 | losher | tabrisnet: I started with openwrt but I found I had to do some custom work to make it work, whereas tomato worked 'out of the box'.... |
| 06:06.14 | blubaustin | wow. |
| 06:06.16 | blubaustin | it worked. |
| 06:06.17 | blubaustin | wth |
| 06:06.30 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: then you have a broken router. congratulations on joining the rest of the world. |
| 06:06.50 | blubaustin | anything in the config of the router I can do to make it work properly? |
| 06:06.56 | losher | blubaustin: given that it used to work, I still recommend power cycling it |
| 06:07.04 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: meanwhile, go find out what your ISP's DNS servers are (check what your motorola thinks) and put them into your resolv.conf. and then set your resolv.conf immutable so it can't be screwed with from DHCP |
| 06:07.09 | alexbodn | bye friends |
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| 06:07.32 | kornholi | ISP's DNS servers are usually crappy. I recommened Level3 ones(4.2.2.2, 4.2.2.4) or OpenDNS |
| 06:07.35 | kornholi | :P |
| 06:07.44 | tabrisnet | kornholi: uhhh. be nice to the poor verizon/level3, eh? |
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| 06:07.51 | kornholi | lol |
| 06:07.53 | tabrisnet | kornholi: it's not easy being the DNS whipping boy of the world. |
| 06:07.55 | blubaustin | whats the ifconfig command for dns |
| 06:07.59 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: there ain't one |
| 06:08.05 | ssm | blubaustin: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:08.08 | tabrisnet | just cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:08.15 | kornholi | change it and its done |
| 06:08.16 | kornholi | lol |
| 06:08.25 | blubaustin | I know |
| 06:08.27 | blubaustin | for a fact |
| 06:08.29 | blubaustin | 192.168.0.1 |
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| 06:08.32 | blubaustin | isn't my dns |
| 06:08.42 | kornholi | its your DNS forwarder |
| 06:08.44 | blubaustin | they're usually like 76.xxx.xxx.xxx. |
| 06:08.44 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: many routers act as caches. |
| 06:09.04 | kornholi | yeah, its good. |
| 06:09.07 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: meanwhile, i did say to go login to your motorola and check what it says its DNS servers are. |
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| 06:09.14 | kornholi | you dont have to change 5000 machines if you want to change DNS servers |
| 06:09.14 | kornholi | lol |
| 06:09.17 | ssm | blubaustin: your DHCP server also sends information about which DNS to use, if you have resolvconf installed, it may change your resolv.conf, and leave a note in it as well |
| 06:09.30 | tabrisnet | ssm: hence my suggestion to set resolv.conf immutable |
| 06:09.45 | jessen | I was thinking one way to track stable but have up-to-date desktop packages is to point deb-src at unstable in my sources.list file and then compile new packages from source as I want them. Has anyone |
| 06:10.00 | tabrisnet | ssm: one may aslo be able to modify the motorola's config to not give itself as DNS, but rather fwd the ISPs. but not knowing his router, i can't know for sure. |
| 06:10.03 | jessen | ... ever tried that? |
| 06:10.19 | blubaustin | brb bathroom |
| 06:10.22 | tabrisnet | jessen: generally, don't. |
| 06:10.46 | tabrisnet | jessen: meanwhile, 'testing' is often stable enough except maybe for the first 6 months after a stable release. |
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| 06:11.28 | kornholi | desktops - testing; servers - stable |
| 06:11.36 | kornholi | if you use stable on a desktop, you are crazy |
| 06:11.44 | jessen | I like testing, but whenever the fglrx driver gets updated, something breaks |
| 06:11.54 | kornholi | eh |
| 06:11.55 | blubaustin | back. |
| 06:11.59 | kornholi | dont "upgrade" fglrx |
| 06:12.05 | blubaustin | so do I need to login into my modem to get the DNS info? |
| 06:12.06 | ssm | kornholi: or you have lots of desktops you need to provide support for... |
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| 06:12.30 | kornholi | ssm: I never had a problem with testing on desktops for few years |
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| 06:13.04 | tabrisnet | blubaustin: unless you have a better way to get it from your ISP. |
| 06:13.09 | jessen | kornholi, so i should pin fglrx to some fixed version in /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 06:13.18 | kornholi | yeah |
| 06:13.23 | blubaustin | ok |
| 06:13.26 | ssm | kornholi: I like stable. It's stable :) |
| 06:13.27 | SeveredCross | Hmm. Anyone know how to get edge motion working with Synaptics touchpads in sid/squeeze? |
| 06:13.41 | kornholi | ssm: I like testing. It's like stable but not outdated by 2 years :) |
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| 06:14.02 | jessen | then i guess I would have to pin the kernel as well... |
| 06:14.04 | SeveredCross | I tried sudo tpconfig -e 1 but it just ignores me. |
| 06:14.09 | ssm | kornholi: well, my girlfriend still prefers fvwm2, she's not going to be bothered by "outdated by 2 years".... |
| 06:14.14 | kornholi | lol :P |
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| 06:15.23 | kornholi | jessen: I dunno, the few times the real kernel updated(not only modules), took me only few minutes to recompile the fglrx kernel module blindly |
| 06:15.26 | kornholi | lol |
| 06:15.26 | blubaustin | well thank you |
| 06:15.34 | blubaustin | I really appreciate all the help |
| 06:15.50 | SPF | what does this mean? kernel: journal commit I/O error |
| 06:16.07 | blubaustin | byes |
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| 06:16.21 | tabrisnet | SPF: it means your computer is trying to keep a blog but apparently no one was reading it. eventually it gives up and goes cut itself in the bathroom. |
| 06:16.53 | tabrisnet | SPF: meanwhile, try removing the first 2 words, assume I/O error, and then assume that since it's file-system related, you might have a problem with your hard-drive. |
| 06:17.16 | ssm | SPF: time to make sure your backups are OK, at least. |
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| 06:18.37 | kornholi | I need something fun to do ;-( |
| 06:19.12 | ssm | kornholi: implement ruby on rails in php :) |
| 06:19.31 | SPF | I made a backup a few weeks ago |
| 06:19.39 | kornholi | ouch |
| 06:19.58 | kornholi | ssm: ror isn't that good |
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| 06:20.33 | nsadmin | ssm: how slow do you want it to be |
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| 06:21.31 | ssm | kornholi: RoR was interesting, but I never really got the hang of making applications in it. As for speed, anything can go fast with varnish and memcached :) |
| 06:21.42 | kornholi | ruby is cool |
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| 06:21.57 | kornholi | whatever, php works fine |
| 06:21.59 | ssm | kornholi: yes, I use ruby a lot for sysadmin work |
| 06:22.14 | kornholi | yeah scripting languages are good in a kind of way |
| 06:22.18 | kornholi | python, ruby, etc |
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| 06:23.46 | ssm | I usually program in /bin/sh, and as soon as the script is large enough, I'll have to reimplement it in perl/ruby/python.... |
| 06:23.57 | kornholi | yup |
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| 06:28.31 | nsadmin | why not start in perl/ruby/python? |
| 06:28.46 | nsadmin | it'd save ya a step |
| 06:28.48 | kornholi | sh is quicker |
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| 06:29.37 | ssm | nsadmin: to keep as few dependencies as possible, at first. |
| 06:30.06 | ssm | also, I like doing "sh -x " :) |
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| 06:31.34 | ssm | nsadmin: but http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-varnish/packages/varnish/trunk/debian/reload-vcl, which I'm working on now, is very close to be reimplemented in perl.... It started out very short and nice, and now it's a mess |
| 06:32.10 | kornholi | varnish eh |
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| 06:32.41 | ssm | kornholi: I like varnish, it makes even RoR fast :) |
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| 06:34.27 | kornholi | hm |
| 06:34.29 | kornholi | never looked into it |
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| 06:35.17 | kornholi | seems awesome from the sample config |
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| 06:36.29 | kornholi | gotta run, later |
| 06:36.33 | ssm | cheers |
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| 06:48.20 | mib_jhoj10q6 | does any one know how to install a distro from an iso file which is located in a harddisk |
| 06:48.53 | j_nwb | hi.. a quick question .. can I have a apt-get repository to hold two versions of the deb package ? |
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| 06:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | mib_jhoj10q6, boot from it? |
| 06:51.46 | mib_jhoj10q6 | ya.. instead of burn it to a cd.. and boot from cdrom , can we use the iso and boot from it? |
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| 06:52.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | how? |
| 06:52.24 | j_nwb | mib_jhoj10q6 : http://www.debianhelp.org/node/13519 |
| 06:53.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's an exe to start from windows, though |
| 06:53.50 | zeroConfDev | anyone got a quick sed script that would just show chars 20 21 22 and 23 of every line ? |
| 06:53.54 | enouf | j_nwb: almost all, if not all official debian mirrors hold various versions |
| 06:54.19 | j_nwb | So.. how does their Release file look like ? I am missing something. |
| 06:54.30 | enouf | !releases |
| 06:54.30 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 06:54.31 | j_nwb | Our release file still shows 1.0... |
| 06:54.46 | j_nwb | may be we are using some wrong command. |
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| 06:54.54 | zeroConfDev | use cut utility instead.... |
| 06:54.56 | zeroConfDev | gotcha |
| 06:54.57 | zeroConfDev | thanks |
| 06:55.05 | mib_jhoj10q6 | j_nwb:thanks |
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| 06:56.00 | mib_jhoj10q6 | any one worked on clusteing |
| 06:56.04 | mib_jhoj10q6 | clustering? |
| 06:56.28 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 06:56.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 06:56.31 | j_nwb | But I am talking about product foo v 1.0 and v 1.1 on same version of debian say lenny. |
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| 06:58.49 | mib_jhoj10q6 | nsadmin: I have around 60 system in my college lab and i was thinking to set up a cluster and run a DES cracker or some kind of password cracker which can save lot of time.. And also i have a static for the lab so that i can share the resourse online |
| 06:58.55 | enouf | j_nwb: if you compile one version, or any/all other versions, you can rename the versions however you wish |
| 06:59.36 | enouf | j_nwb: /msg dpkg backports to get a clearer intro to understanding |
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| 07:00.13 | enouf | zeroConfDev: awk is also an option |
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| 07:01.05 | j_nwb | ok. |
| 07:01.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | j_nwb, I'm not sure what happens when you do it... you should try it out... there are multiple versions in pool... the "repository" is just a list of packages with a certain version |
| 07:01.24 | zeroConfDev | enouf - yep it sure is, i usually use awk for printing whole items, i could have done print $8 or something it would have been perfect.... sometimes we get stuck thinking that one thing is the right answer when its not, thinking different helps |
| 07:01.44 | zeroConfDev | switching to awk now enouf :-) much more reliable then cut... does not matter on layout so much that way... |
| 07:01.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | j_nwb, (pool being the directory where the packages reside) |
| 07:02.20 | j_nwb | yes.. right now I have two packages under it. |
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| 07:02.50 | mib_jhoj10q6 | could any one help me out on clustering |
| 07:02.56 | j_nwb | What is the apt-get option to see.. all versions available ? |
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| 07:03.13 | zeroConfDev | man apt-get |
| 07:03.18 | j_nwb | :) |
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| 07:03.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | j_nwb, apt-cache madison? |
| 07:03.28 | enouf | showpkg |
| 07:03.44 | j_nwb | I took a look.. didnt spot it. |
| 07:03.53 | j_nwb | will take another look. |
| 07:04.08 | enouf | now, perhaps you want to know how to setup a semi-Official style mirror for yourself? /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 07:04.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | j_nwb, if you have multiple repositories, apt-get madison shows which version is in which repository |
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| 07:05.03 | enouf | apt-cache policy .... is another way (once your cache is updated ofcourse) |
| 07:05.27 | enouf | !apt-show-versions |
| 07:05.32 | enouf | er .. |
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| 07:05.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | j_nwb, you can have as many repositories as you like, though (with as many versions as you like) |
| 07:06.30 | enouf | !listvals apt-show-versions |
| 07:06.30 | j_nwb | thanks.. let me give it another try |
| 07:06.31 | enouf | dpkg: wake up! |
| 07:06.31 | dpkg | enouf: I'm already awake! :) |
| 07:06.32 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'apt-show-versions' by value returned no results. |
| 07:06.40 | enouf | heh |
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| 07:07.31 | liable | wee |
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| 07:07.50 | enouf | has 0.15 installed here, in sid |
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| 07:11.12 | enouf | $ apt-cache search --names-only madison |
| 07:11.14 | enouf | madison-lite - display versions of Debian packages in an archive |
| 07:11.20 | enouf | boo |
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| 07:24.52 | enouf | will someone using iceweasel please tell me why clicking any of the Tabs (Overview , Features, Color and Hardware, Grids and Screens, Performance, etc...) on this page http://www.harveybp.com/Pro/product.aspx?pid=9 do not work (doesn't do anything) |
| 07:25.12 | enouf | is it due to ASPx crap? |
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| 07:26.40 | dondelelcaro | enouf: works here |
| 07:26.42 | enouf | for ex; the URL becomes (should then become/have) #Overview appended - i don't recall the #whatever webmonkey code being an issue |
| 07:27.06 | enouf | dondelelcaro: perhaps due to adblock + flashblock? |
| 07:27.25 | enouf | disables adblock for this site |
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| 07:28.40 | mib_v9oki5 | what package to download, i canttttttttttttttt choose |
| 07:28.49 | mib_v9oki5 | help me out |
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| 07:29.55 | mib_v9oki5 | i am here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 07:30.17 | enouf | dondelelcaro: i disabled adbloack for that page at first, then for the entire site, and more - yet still; nada :-( |
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| 07:30.41 | kornholi | mib_v9oki5: lol? |
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| 07:31.08 | kornholi | download the netinst one |
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| 07:33.31 | enouf | dondelelcaro: 1st, thanks for the confirmation that it works there - btw, which version are you using? I'm on Installed: 3.0.9-1 |
| 07:34.29 | dondelelcaro | enouf: 3.0.9-1 here too |
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| 07:35.10 | enouf | dondelelcaro: ok .. i'll keep looking as to what the cause is, thanks |
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| 07:36.05 | dondelelcaro | enouf: I mean, it doesn't do much but change what is displayed, but that changes |
| 07:36.11 | dondelelcaro | enouf: I assume you have javascript enabled? |
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| 07:41.15 | enouf | dondelelcaro: yes, i do have Javascript enabled, i've just even went into right-click > View page info > Permissions , and disabled the Pop-up blocker - just in case - still, no go |
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| 07:43.26 | enouf | dondelelcaro: under Preferences > Content > [x] Enable Javascript [Advanced] <<-- i do have all those _un_ticked .. perhaps i'll try that |
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| 07:44.02 | enouf | dondelelcaro: Java is disabled - yet Javascript is enabled (just to be clear) |
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| 07:46.31 | enouf | dondelelcaro: well, i enabled All those i mentioned were _unticked_ , then refreshed, and still nada - do i need to clear the cache? wipe the session cookies? ... i don't think the entire Browser would need a restart .. |
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| 07:47.32 | enouf | dondelelcaro: and yes; all i am looking for is to; "... change what is displayed..." ;-) |
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| 07:50.10 | enouf | dondelelcaro: heh, i just opened the page in links2 .. and i'm able to atleast obtain more information about what those various tabs should be displaying .. oh well |
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| 07:52.48 | mib_v9oki5 | heeeeeeeeeeelp |
| 07:53.36 | enouf | heh, i even found a PDF brochure link that actually gives me some information i wanted |
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| 07:54.27 | enouf | mib_v9oki5: you might want to try #security , ##linux, maybe even various clustering related channels? #clvm ? |
| 07:55.04 | enouf | mib_v9oki5: oh. sorry - you're onto d/l and installing a Debian ISO now ... my bad |
| 07:56.10 | kornholi | lol |
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| 07:56.25 | nataraj | Hi |
| 07:56.32 | kornholi | hi |
| 07:56.37 | nataraj | Xserver breaking off with |
| 07:56.46 | nataraj | (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Invalid argument |
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| 07:57.00 | nataraj | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:57.52 | nataraj | using on at91sam9263-ek board Arm9 |
| 07:57.52 | kornholi | hmm |
| 07:58.21 | nataraj | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.21 | nataraj | mode "240x320-56" |
| 07:58.21 | nataraj | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.21 | nataraj | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.21 | nataraj | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:59.20 | nataraj | Hi |
| 07:59.24 | nataraj | Sorry for flood |
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| 08:00.26 | nataraj | kornholi, does the fbset output mean that frame buffer driver is ok? |
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| 08:01.03 | sfire | I had a software raid1 array encounter a bad drive.. I took removed the offending drive from the array then rebooted the machine.. now it doesn't seem to boot (its in a datacenter 1500 miles away) |
| 08:01.24 | sfire | will simply changing the SATA boot order fix this.. I was booting directly off the RAID |
| 08:01.40 | trumpen | how can I get the filesystem of a block device via console without using mount? |
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| 08:02.15 | zaggynl | I'm looking for a decent and recent guide on hardening Linux, can you recommend me anything? |
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| 08:02.32 | kornholi | nataraj: I would suppose so |
| 08:02.48 | simonrvn | nataraj: fbset uses /dev/fb*, so yeh |
| 08:03.06 | kornholi | might be a deb bug |
| 08:03.31 | dondelelcaro | sfire: depends on how you did the install |
| 08:03.57 | dondelelcaro | sfire: if you did a raid1 for /boot and forgot to install grub on the second device, it isn't going to boot |
| 08:04.06 | sfire | I did it selecting the md0 array as "/" and everything got installed on the md0 array |
| 08:04.24 | sfire | it wouldn't have done that automatically? |
| 08:04.56 | dondelelcaro | sfire: nope |
| 08:05.09 | dondelelcaro | well, it may have... but it wouldn't suprise me if it didn't |
| 08:05.10 | sfire | what good is raid1 without that :( |
| 08:05.57 | dondelelcaro | sfire: your data is still there, so that's what good it is. |
| 08:06.09 | dondelelcaro | (the MBR isn't raided) |
| 08:06.53 | sfire | I'm going to have to have the data center ship the PC back.. fix it.. then ship it back :( grrrr |
| 08:07.01 | sfire | I shouldn't have told it to reboot |
| 08:07.18 | dondelelcaro | sfire: you can't shove in a boot disk? |
| 08:07.29 | sfire | its 1500 miles away |
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| 08:07.48 | kornholi | sfire: sucks :-( |
| 08:07.53 | dondelelcaro | a good data center can do that... you also should be able to put a serial console on the thing |
| 08:07.56 | sfire | no floppy or CD rom drive in it :( |
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| 08:08.21 | sfire | didn't think I would need anything like that with RAID |
| 08:08.43 | kornholi | just make them do something |
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| 08:08.43 | kornholi | lol |
| 08:08.58 | dondelelcaro | drives fail all the time and machines fail to boot; it's kind of a given... |
| 08:09.12 | kornholi | yep |
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| 08:09.55 | sfire | here is the other oddity ... I was getting ping replies like this "icmp_seq=4027 Time to live exceeded" |
| 08:10.04 | sfire | now all of a sudden its not replying anything |
| 08:10.09 | kornholi | hmm |
| 08:10.15 | kornholi | 4027? how long did you ping it lol |
| 08:10.31 | sfire | do you thing it could be fscking the drives or doing some other function and still be in the boot process? |
| 08:10.42 | kornholi | you can only wait and see.. |
| 08:11.01 | kornholi | dont you have serial access or something? |
| 08:11.10 | sfire | thats the only thing that I can think that would account for the ping reply changing |
| 08:11.12 | sfire | nope |
| 08:11.19 | kornholi | :\ |
| 08:11.37 | sfire | its my own machine and I didn't put anything like that into it |
| 08:11.55 | kornholi | aw |
| 08:12.01 | kornholi | where is it hosted? |
| 08:12.03 | sfire | this is a no frills data center... ultra cheap |
| 08:12.07 | sfire | waveform.net |
| 08:12.27 | kornholi | hm |
| 08:12.57 | kornholi | shit it is cheap |
| 08:12.57 | kornholi | haha |
| 08:13.14 | sfire | great speed too |
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| 08:13.42 | kornholi | how much per mbps? |
| 08:13.50 | sfire | I buy per TB |
| 08:13.59 | kornholi | hm |
| 08:14.23 | sfire | I've yet to run over 1TB |
| 08:14.25 | sfire | hehehe |
| 08:14.42 | kornholi | yeah |
| 08:14.43 | sfire | 2nd TB is another 50 bucks |
| 08:14.47 | sfire | speeds are 100/100 |
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| 08:14.52 | kornholi | my leased server has 10tb |
| 08:14.55 | kornholi | lol |
| 08:15.00 | kornholi | who the fuck uses 10tb? |
| 08:15.09 | kornholi | on a single server..? |
| 08:15.16 | sfire | no one |
| 08:15.38 | kornholi | the most I pushed per day was like.. 40gig? |
| 08:15.39 | kornholi | >< |
| 08:15.48 | sfire | I'm baffled about this ping thing |
| 08:15.53 | kornholi | well |
| 08:15.59 | kornholi | TTL exceeded = routing loop? |
| 08:16.01 | jelly-home | my backup machines eat up 2-10TB daily |
| 08:16.02 | sfire | I sent in a service ticket.. I wonder if they are just fixing it |
| 08:16.11 | kornholi | jelly-home: pr0n backups? :P |
| 08:16.18 | sfire | jelly-home, rsync :) |
| 08:16.21 | jelly-home | kornholi: no, datacenter |
| 08:16.34 | kornholi | cool |
| 08:17.07 | sfire | jelly-home, are you using rsync now? |
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| 08:17.57 | jelly-home | sfire: rsync to tapes is impossible |
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| 08:18.33 | sfire | people still use tapes? |
| 08:18.34 | jelly-home | and there are many data sources that aren't rsyncable anyway |
| 08:18.45 | kornholi | tapes o.O |
| 08:19.27 | jelly-home | sfire: hell yes. Try firing up a disk after it was 5 years in storage. |
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| 08:19.52 | sfire | all my magnetic media has quit working over time |
| 08:20.02 | sfire | every one of my floppy disks barely reads |
| 08:20.17 | kornholi | jelly-home: my 3gb disk still works fine after few years ;) |
| 08:20.33 | kornholi | even after being in 500 floods, lol |
| 08:21.42 | WormFood | test.c:1:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory |
| 08:21.42 | WormFood | test.c:5: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function 'printf' <-- OK, what package do I need to install....I don't have patience to look through apt-cache search output all day long. |
| 08:21.54 | kornholi | build-essential |
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| 08:22.21 | WormFood | unreal! how was that NOT on this machine in the first place?!? |
| 08:22.24 | WormFood | thanks kornholi |
| 08:22.48 | WormFood | they have GCC, but nothing to use it with in a normal environment. |
| 08:23.05 | kornholi | o.O |
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| 08:23.09 | kornholi | thats stupid |
| 08:23.13 | WormFood | oh yeah...I think that was removed as part of the upgrade to lenny |
| 08:23.18 | kornholi | eh? |
| 08:23.26 | kornholi | didn't happen here |
| 08:23.27 | WormFood | this was older stable |
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| 08:23.33 | WormFood | I upgraded it to lenny last night |
| 08:23.43 | kornholi | from? |
| 08:24.01 | WormFood | it was etch |
| 08:24.01 | kornholi | etch? |
| 08:24.16 | kornholi | couldn't been the upgrade. did etch->l on few servers last month |
| 08:24.28 | kornholi | and build-essential is the thing I install even on production servers lol |
| 08:24.32 | WormFood | dunno...this is a new server for me |
| 08:24.37 | nsadmin | knowing that printf is in libsc could have helped a little :) |
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| 08:24.43 | WormFood | I thought I remembered it removing some of that stuff |
| 08:24.45 | nsadmin | err in libc |
| 08:24.59 | WormFood | I know that nsadmin, but it does not tell you what package to install |
| 08:25.12 | WormFood | search for "libc" and see if you get anything that looks like it would help |
| 08:25.18 | kornholi | but if you touch gcc/g++/make, you should have build-essential, lol |
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| 08:25.34 | WormFood | fuck! I installed tcl and the fuckin' configure script can't find it |
| 08:25.39 | bolt-work | foo |
| 08:25.41 | nsadmin | actually it does... build-essential would have installed that |
| 08:26.10 | nsadmin | you'll need the tcl -dev package |
| 08:26.16 | kornholi | sfire: I feel like buying a box and coloing it at waveform :c |
| 08:26.22 | kornholi | too cheap |
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| 08:26.36 | WormFood | I found what I missed...i didn't install the tcl-dev package |
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| 08:27.48 | alex[slx] | Hi all. I've just installed openjdk-java6-jdk on Lenny and both `java` and `javac` fail to run with SELinux enabled (cannot enabled executable stack). Is there something I'm missing, or do I just have to turn SELinux off for Java? |
| 08:28.14 | kornholi | SELinux is a bitch sometimes, but I have no idea, sorry |
| 08:28.24 | kornholi | never happened here |
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| 08:28.46 | jelly-home | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 08:28.47 | judd | jelly-home: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 sid: 3.0.9-1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1 |
| 08:28.59 | jelly-home | hm still no .10 |
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| 08:29.45 | kornholi | screw iceweasel, I use nightly trunks lol |
| 08:29.56 | kornholi | s/ks/k/ |
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| 08:34.52 | hanibana | hi all |
| 08:35.31 | sepult | hi |
| 08:35.52 | hanibana | I could not find Debian Etch ISO s for download in debian.org site.... where can I find them? :( |
| 08:36.55 | nsadmin | hanibana: there are still etch cd images? |
| 08:37.02 | jelly-home | !+tell hanibana -about cd archive |
| 08:37.02 | dpkg | told hanibana about cd archive. |
| 08:37.37 | sepult | hanibana: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 08:37.53 | jelly-home | sepult: that's lenny |
| 08:37.54 | hanibana | very thanks guys :) |
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| 08:38.43 | sepult | jelly-home: it's stable at least! lol |
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| 08:41.54 | pif | hi, is there a way to give a user the right to modprobe/rmmod modules without being root? |
| 08:42.13 | sepult | pif: yes |
| 08:42.19 | pif | how? |
| 08:42.43 | sepult | pif: add him to the sudoers group do a visudo as root |
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| 08:42.58 | sepult | pif: and have a look at man sudo |
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| 08:43.38 | pif | sure, but if he is in sudoers he'll be able to do anything, right? |
| 08:43.54 | sepult | pif: not if you tell it should only do one command !!! |
| 08:44.01 | sepult | pif: do read the manual of it |
| 08:44.10 | sepult | pif: it's totally customizable |
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| 08:44.22 | pif | oki |
| 08:44.28 | sepult | pif: you can give root rights for just one command even |
| 08:44.31 | kornholi | sudo is awesome :P |
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| 08:45.11 | kornholi | sfire: how long have you used them? |
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| 08:45.51 | simonrvn | blah. box froze and rebooted again :(. |
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| 08:47.31 | jelly-home | that's new 2.6 kernels for yous |
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| 08:50.37 | simonrvn | it's something else.. dunno what. last entry in syslog was an snmp connection |
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| 08:51.01 | jelly-home | maybe there's a remote dos! |
| 08:51.32 | jelly-home | or maybe an snmp readout caused a bug in your new 2.6 kernel |
| 08:51.38 | simonrvn | not from my lan ;) |
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| 08:51.54 | simonrvn | no, this is same kernel.. debian built. |
| 08:52.00 | simonrvn | it's not .30 |
| 08:52.04 | jelly-home | pfft. |
| 08:52.20 | simonrvn | 2.6.29-2-686 |
| 08:52.23 | jelly-home | 2.6.30-rc7-686 |
| 08:52.31 | jelly-home | is living on the edge |
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| 08:52.45 | RichiH | 2.6.30 was released |
| 08:52.48 | simonrvn | edge of what? |
| 08:52.49 | RichiH | so no, you are not ;) |
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| 08:53.11 | jelly-home | RichiH: edge of debian-kernel trunk builds! |
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| 08:53.21 | jelly-home | not going to build it myself, duh |
| 08:53.28 | RichiH | jelly-home: yah, yah.. excuses! |
| 08:53.36 | simonrvn | is, on his powermac |
| 08:54.05 | jelly-home | well, I could perhaps build one for the arm4. |
| 08:54.19 | RichiH | stop talking about arm |
| 08:54.32 | RichiH | every time someone say arm, i am painfully remembered that OMAP4 is not out, yet |
| 08:54.33 | RichiH | :( |
| 08:54.47 | kornholi | armarmarm |
| 08:54.58 | kornholi | i love my ifone because its arm and can run linux |
| 08:55.01 | RichiH | netbook, decent display, trackpoint and OMAP4 |
| 08:55.03 | RichiH | wants :( |
| 08:55.05 | SPF | you have 2 hdd's. hda is root fs. hda is failing and automaticly remounted readonly. What is the best approach to get your system onto hdb? ( rsync a -> b, mount dev on b, chroot? ) |
| 08:55.27 | kornholi | dd? |
| 08:55.31 | kornholi | no idea |
| 08:55.40 | RichiH | dd, yes |
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| 08:55.49 | SPF | what if there's data on hdb? |
| 08:56.02 | IamSOG | throw away hda if it's failing :o |
| 08:56.03 | SPF | but enough free space left |
| 08:56.12 | SPF | I will |
| 08:56.21 | SPF | but I need to backup the data first |
| 08:56.25 | IamSOG | um... |
| 08:56.44 | SPF | it's still readable |
| 08:56.46 | jelly-home | RichiH: and what's the barnd name of that machine, or is it imaginary? |
| 08:56.49 | IamSOG | why not use the boot CD to do that ? or you want to copy everything from hda to hdb ? |
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| 08:57.15 | SPF | because I don't have psysicle access for a few days |
| 08:57.37 | SPF | so it's a temp solution |
| 08:57.43 | RichiH | jelly-home: it will come out once OMAP4 is available |
| 08:57.49 | RichiH | minus the trackpoint, perhaps |
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| 08:58.06 | jelly-home | RichiH: that's part of why'm asking |
| 08:58.08 | RichiH | OMAP3 is nice, which is why i pre-ordered a pandora |
| 08:58.25 | jelly-home | meh, nonfree 3d drivers |
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| 08:58.36 | RichiH | but OMAP4 will enable me to really run a full desktop on arm |
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| 08:59.54 | SPF | IamSOG: what would you do? |
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| 09:00.35 | RichiH | jelly-home: non-free sucks, but i am taking the pragmatic, not the RMS stance |
| 09:00.58 | RichiH | and i still think that this problem will solve itself once there are more than two large manufacturers |
| 09:01.01 | jelly-home | SPF: obtain physical access, make sure backups of hdb exist, boot a livecd, repartition / resize stuff on hdb and format new system partitions |
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| 09:01.35 | jelly-home | SPF: then copy the files off hda to new empty partitions |
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| 09:01.54 | RichiH | and run smartctl -a /dev/foo; smartctl -t long /dev/foo; sleep $(($x*3600)); smartctl -a /dev/foo |
| 09:02.06 | RichiH | where $x is a value which smartctl -t long /dev/foo tells you |
| 09:02.11 | jelly-home | SPF: if you have enough free space to make a complete image of hda as a file, you could do that |
| 09:02.33 | jelly-home | RichiH: it's usually in minutes for me |
| 09:02.44 | SPF | jelly-home: I was planning to rsync hda to hdb, mount dev and chroot to hdb |
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| 09:03.10 | SPF | but that isn't a good idea? |
| 09:03.25 | jelly-home | SPF: yeah, that won't go over well |
| 09:04.11 | jelly-home | you can't change your root easily, there are a lot of services using the current one |
| 09:04.14 | SPF | jelly-home: because then I won't have swap or? |
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| 09:05.06 | SPF | ah ic |
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| 09:05.51 | SPF | well, in that case I'll start making backups to both hdb and my nas |
| 09:06.15 | jelly-home | SPF: just make an image (or file-based copy if it works) of hda and hope it doesn't fail before you return |
| 09:06.16 | creature_ | whats hdb |
| 09:07.46 | SPF | hdb is hard disk 2 |
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| 09:08.16 | kornholi | still PATA? |
| 09:08.23 | creature_ | wouldn't that be sdb |
| 09:08.29 | kornholi | thats scsi/sata |
| 09:08.36 | SPF | no, it's an old system |
| 09:08.42 | SPF | no wonder the hdd is failing |
| 09:09.00 | SPF | I should've replaced them sooner |
| 09:09.05 | kornholi | raid |
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| 09:09.31 | Arafangion | Hey, GNU Which has this .lsm file - where is the file format specified? (Just wondering if anyone knows) |
| 09:09.38 | Arafangion | (Or even what the file format is called) |
| 09:10.01 | jelly-home | SPF: when you get that physical access, try to place the disks on separate ide channels, too |
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| 09:10.51 | SPF | jelly-home: it already is. hdb was just an example |
| 09:11.11 | SPF | but thx for the tip anyway |
| 09:11.22 | jelly-home | SPF: yeah, try not to do examples, but actual values, when asking for help |
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| 09:13.30 | ideamonk | Hey I wish to download and try out debian, I'm new to this... which version should I pick... lenny or etch ? |
| 09:13.52 | ideamonk | and do I have to download 10+ CD ISOs to get it working for just a few will do? how many should I download |
| 09:13.53 | jelly-home | ideamonk: the latest is lenny |
| 09:14.07 | redstick | ideamonk, you only need the first CD |
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| 09:14.34 | Selveste1 | ideamonk: Download Lenny and just the netinstall |
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| 09:14.38 | ideamonk | In etch one of my friends had tried 1 CD, which asked him for the second one after installing a little bit |
| 09:14.39 | redstick | ideamonk, you actually only need the netinstall cd, depending on your hardware |
| 09:14.54 | ideamonk | I do not have good internet connection at home, planning to download from office and get back |
| 09:15.20 | Selveste1 | Then download DVD1 :) |
| 09:15.20 | jelly-home | ideamonk: then get, say, the first dvd image ;-) |
| 09:15.46 | bolt-work | bluray! :D |
| 09:15.52 | ideamonk | 3+ gig... that would be same as getting 14 CD images right... the problem is I got 2.5 hrs before i get back... |
| 09:16.01 | kornholi | netinst |
| 09:16.09 | kornholi | aaa |
| 09:16.11 | kornholi | hmm |
| 09:16.25 | Selveste1 | bolt-work: Not all have en BR burner :P |
| 09:16.34 | kornholi | or a BR reader |
| 09:16.43 | jelly-home | or a BR supermodel |
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| 09:17.01 | jelly-home | !br |
| 09:17.01 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 09:17.05 | Selveste1 | jelly-home: :P |
| 09:17.18 | kornholi | !br burner |
| 09:17.26 | Arafangion | ideamonk: The first two DVD's are much more than you are likely to need. |
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| 09:17.38 | kornholi | ideamonk: netinst during night |
| 09:17.44 | Arafangion | ideamonk: And possibly you only need the first one. |
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| 09:17.58 | Arafangion | kornholi: netinst seems useless without a network connection. |
| 09:18.08 | kornholi | but he has a connection |
| 09:18.23 | Arafangion | kornholi: How so? |
| 09:18.34 | kornholi | "do not have good internet connection at home"; bad connection != no connection |
| 09:18.38 | enouf | trumpen: if nobody replied; file /dev/sda1 and blkid would do |
| 09:18.43 | Arafangion | kornholi: Excellent point. |
| 09:18.55 | Arafangion | ideamonk: You could also simply *buy* a copy of Debian. |
| 09:19.02 | kornholi | support debian nao! |
| 09:19.03 | enouf | trumpen: er file -s /dev/sda1 and blkid would do |
| 09:19.27 | Arafangion | bought a copy of Debian 6 years ago... Best software purchase ever. |
| 09:19.39 | trumpen | enouf, thanks! I found vol_id (udev package) but your way may be better |
| 09:19.50 | kornholi | Arafangion: fo sho |
| 09:19.57 | kornholi | what was it? |
| 09:19.58 | kornholi | woody? |
| 09:19.59 | Arafangion | kornholi: What? |
| 09:20.09 | Arafangion | kornholi: It was potato, if I recall correctly. |
| 09:20.12 | kornholi | oh |
| 09:20.15 | kornholi | even better :) |
| 09:20.24 | enouf | trumpen: np ;-) |
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| 09:21.54 | Arafangion | kornholi: Ran perfectly on my 486 DX4 with 24 MB RAM. :) |
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| 09:22.18 | Arafangion | kornholi: (Which was the maximum amount of RAM due to an unfortunate incident involving slot 3 and blue lights...) |
| 09:22.23 | kornholi | Awesome :P |
| 09:22.44 | kornholi | I still have my Cyrix266 with 64MB RAM somewhere in the attic |
| 09:23.04 | kornholi | old times :( |
| 09:23.04 | Arafangion | This 486 /might/ have been faster, though the system bus on yours would've been better. |
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| 09:23.16 | kornholi | well, It ran sarge |
| 09:24.00 | octane- | still has a 486 running. (bsd, tho) |
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| 09:24.27 | kornholi | I have a 486 with a burntout PSU somewhere too |
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| 09:24.46 | Arafangion | octane-: I trashed mine. :( Still regret it... It had never been known to crash... :( |
| 09:24.55 | octane- | ah, bier ist da. |
| 09:25.05 | octane- | *plopp* |
| 09:25.17 | Arafangion | octane-: Not even after I'd burnt RAM Slot 3 due to a partially-inserted module. |
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| 09:25.46 | Arafangion | octane: Made very impressive blue lights and a freaky sound! |
| 09:25.57 | octane- | Arafangion: http://www.soekris.com/net4501.htm :) |
| 09:26.17 | kornholi | OMG |
| 09:26.37 | kornholi | mini 486 with 100 interface |
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| 09:27.18 | Zenox | I'm planning to backport ntfs-3g from unstable or testing using the method described by "msg dpkg simple sid backport" (from source). Should I uninstall the ntfs-3g package before doing so? And btw, is there any other way that is preferred (package isn't listed at backports.org)? |
| 09:27.19 | Arafangion | octane: I've considered buying myself a tiny system. :) Hard to justify the cost though while surrounded by PDA's, laptops and 6-year-old desktops... |
| 09:27.22 | mistrynitesh | is kde-livecd available for version 5.01? |
| 09:27.28 | Arafangion | Zenox: Yes. |
| 09:27.35 | zog-vsl | hi, on Lenny I am booted into 2.6.26-1-amd64 but I want to build a not-in-debian module against - I have all the headers etc installed, is there a way to make it build against 2.6.26-2-amd64 rather than doing uname -r for the build? |
| 09:28.03 | octane- | Arafangion: running for 5+ years now as a homebew router for my flat |
| 09:28.05 | Zenox | Arafangion: Okay thanks, I'll uninstall the package first and then build from source. |
| 09:28.10 | Arafangion | octane-: Nice. |
| 09:28.13 | zog-vsl | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.46 | Arafangion | octane-: I'm too lazy, somehow. :( At the end of the day, I like to be able to just have things _work_. |
| 09:29.11 | kornholi | same :( |
| 09:29.19 | Arafangion | octane-: How do you find the *BSD's? (Which one do you use?) I used OBSD a while ago (for a short time), was very nice, very clean, I liked it, but I wanted better hardware support. :( (Particularly as a desktop) |
| 09:29.39 | Arafangion | (Plus Apache 1.3 was really slow at serving files, but I never bothered to find out why) |
| 09:29.50 | kornholi | OBSD's Apache isn't apache anymore |
| 09:30.05 | Arafangion | kornholi: I'm pretty sure this was apache back then. :) |
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| 09:30.18 | kornholi | it has been patched so many times... |
| 09:30.23 | kornholi | its like rewritten by them |
| 09:30.28 | Arafangion | kornholi: How do you think it got its name? |
| 09:30.46 | kornholi | no idea |
| 09:31.14 | octane- | Arafangion: i've beein using o/f bsd since 2.0/4.0 for certain (mostly embedded) solutions. |
| 09:31.22 | octane- | Arafangion: they do have their place. |
| 09:31.25 | Arafangion | kornholi: It was named literally because it consists of a large number of patches. It's "A Patchy server". |
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| 09:31.31 | kornholi | hahaha |
| 09:31.47 | Arafangion | kornholi: Don't knock patches. |
| 09:32.04 | octane- | Arafangion: I've learnt that you get the best results from using the right tools, not from making your favourite tool work somehow :) |
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| 09:32.50 | Arafangion | octane-: I agree. Such systems are clean and better engineered, somehow - more consistent, etc - it is getting really hard to beat Linux these days due to the hardware support in the kernel. |
| 09:33.14 | zog-vsl | hi, i am in running kernel 2.6.26-1-amd64 but I want to build a module against 2.6.26-2-amd64 (all headers etc are installed), how do I override the normal module build from looking at uname -r for locations of stuff? |
| 09:33.27 | kornholi | edit the script? |
| 09:33.55 | zog-vsl | is there a definitive way to do it without editing make files all over the place? |
| 09:34.05 | octane- | Arafangion: depends, if you stay away from too-cheap-hardware you have quite okish support in any modern *nixoid o/s |
| 09:34.09 | zog-vsl | this is a 3rd party GPL driver |
| 09:34.44 | octane- | Arafangion: typing this from an opensolaris desktop := |
| 09:34.55 | kornholi | zfs? :P |
| 09:35.01 | Arafangion | octane-: Good point. I'm speed obsessed, though. :( |
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| 09:35.13 | octane- | kornholi: What else? :) |
| 09:35.21 | kornholi | ufs, dunno |
| 09:35.23 | kornholi | how is it? |
| 09:35.35 | octane- | kornholi: lovable |
| 09:35.36 | Arafangion | octane-: It's hard to beat linux (and fbsd), it's easy to beat obsd though, however obsd's got it's own priorities. |
| 09:35.48 | kornholi | im eager to try it on fbsd 8.0 |
| 09:35.59 | kornholi | possibilities are endless with zfs |
| 09:36.00 | octane- | Arafangion: absolutely. obsd (esp. with pf) rocks so hard for border appliances. |
| 09:36.00 | kornholi | :P |
| 09:36.25 | kornholi | octane-: that would be the only place I can think of to use obsd |
| 09:36.28 | Arafangion | octane-: What are the BSD's like these days on laptops? (ie, intel graphics card, wireless, and such crap, where one is worried about battery life) |
| 09:36.38 | azeem | Arafangion: please keep it on topic |
| 09:37.01 | octane- | kornholi: i'm a mac guy usually, and hell - periodic snapshots rock time machine _so_ hard. |
| 09:37.02 | zog-vsl | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.09 | zog-vsl | is it, methinks |
| 09:37.46 | Arafangion | octane-: Wouldn't be bad to continue this in #debian-offtopic |
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| 09:38.20 | Arafangion | Though changing channels usually kills a decent convo. :( |
| 09:38.27 | kornholi | oh well, sleepy time, see you guys later |
| 09:38.30 | kornholi | Arafangion: yes it does :) |
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| 09:38.44 | octane- | Arafangion: there is no conflicting discussion goin on here. |
| 09:39.10 | Arafangion | octane-: I agree. |
| 09:39.35 | kornholi | Arafangion, octane-: azeem is just evil |
| 09:39.44 | Arafangion | kornholi: I won't dispute that. |
| 09:39.49 | azeem | kornholi: please keep it on topic |
| 09:39.57 | Arafangion | octane-: have you tried the *bsd's on laptops? |
| 09:40.07 | octane- | Arafangion: haven't used any bsd on a laptop recently, except for mac os on an eee 1k :) |
| 09:40.15 | azeem | octane-: please keep it on topic |
| 09:40.31 | octane- | azeem: please don't flood. |
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| 09:41.15 | octane- | if you intend on riding the rule-o-boat, then practice what you preach, will ye? |
| 09:41.17 | Arafangion | octane-: I'm considering saving up for an 8GB mac, with the lowest-spec CPU that they sell at the time. (The premium for a slightly faster CPU is way insane), and then getting an iPhone with it. :) |
| 09:41.43 | kornholi | Arafangion: Didn't you knoe apple is evil? |
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| 09:41.56 | azeem | Arafangion: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 09:42.05 | creature_ | thank god! |
| 09:42.32 | octane- | i see. |
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| 09:43.33 | IamSOG | what did he do? |
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| 09:44.12 | IamSOG | Oh... |
| 09:46.06 | liable | thank god, no i won't miss those parts and joins amongst all the chatter! :P |
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| 09:54.29 | Arafangion | Is XFS used in Debian? What are the arguments against XFS? |
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| 09:55.39 | azeem | Arafangion: it's supported by d-i AFAIK |
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| 09:55.49 | jenny221 | How can I chane the penguin logo 2.6 kernel load ? |
| 09:56.08 | azeem | jenny221: you'd have to patch the kernel |
| 09:56.12 | azeem | AFAIK |
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| 09:56.17 | jenny221 | you know the location ? |
| 09:56.23 | azeem | not off-hand |
| 09:56.43 | jenny221 | wondering where to start searching |
| 09:56.44 | azeem | jenny221: it got changed to a tazmanian devil for 2.6.28 or 2.6.29, you could check out that patch |
| 09:57.11 | Arafangion | azeem: Apparently it's been in since sarge, but I'm curious to know about any disadvantages. According to the XFS folks, there are no disadvantages... |
| 09:57.26 | azeem | !xfs |
| 09:57.26 | dpkg | The filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance (metadata-only) journalling and large disk support. Zeroed files on power failures is fixed since kernel 2.6.17, see e.g. http://lwn.net/Articles/279036/ Supposedly not as mature, in linux, as <ext3>. Unable to be shrunk. http://xfs.org/index.php/XFS_FAQ http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ #xfs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:57.44 | azeem | "unable to be shrunk" might be one |
| 09:58.24 | azeem | XFS is an alternative if you know exactly what you need and can support it, but in general, ext3 is the recommended file system |
| 09:58.32 | azeem | with a mature ext4, xfs will be even less desirable |
| 09:58.34 | Arafangion | Not a good reason, though. The only other disadvantage I've found is that upgrading the XFS tools can render the filesystem unmountable. |
| 09:58.36 | babilen | hi all. it seems like i've been bitten by bug #507736, whose solution disabled automount in g-v-m. i am *not* running nautilus (or with desktop disabled), but used to rely on g-v-m for automounting |
| 09:58.42 | Arafangion | azeem: how so? |
| 09:58.46 | azeem | how so what? |
| 09:59.00 | babilen | what is a good alternative which provides the same behaviour? |
| 09:59.05 | Arafangion | azeem: Why is xfs "even less desirable" once ext4 is mature (if it isn't already) |
| 09:59.30 | azeem | because ext4 closes the feature/performance-gap between ext* and xfs |
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| 10:00.36 | Arafangion | azeem: I'm particularly interested in xfs's ability to recover from a power-cut in less than "a second", whereas I've had to do fsck's for ext3. (You can change that, but I've still had to run fsck from time to time) |
| 10:01.20 | azeem | Arafangion: why do you have to run fsck on ext3? |
| 10:01.23 | azeem | it's journalled |
| 10:01.33 | azeem | and besides, ext4 greatly reduces the fsck-time |
| 10:01.44 | babilen | or what are good alternatives to g-v-m for automounting? the daemon should mount inserted usb drives as /media/<volume-name> |
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| 10:03.04 | jenny221 | Hard to spot the location of the TUZ in a 12 mb file |
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| 10:03.20 | azeem | jenny221: 12mb? |
| 10:03.22 | jenny221 | the patch |
| 10:03.23 | Arafangion | azeem: I've had corruptions before, though in ext3's defense, the HDD _did_ manage to actually die several months later. |
| 10:03.26 | azeem | ah |
| 10:03.30 | jenny221 | 28 to 29 |
| 10:03.51 | azeem | Arafangion: I think the problem with XFS is that when the fsck doesn't work, basically your whole data is toast |
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| 10:03.57 | nirupama | hi all |
| 10:04.00 | azeem | but maybe I'm mixing this up with reiserfs |
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| 10:04.18 | Arafangion | azeem: Likely, though I have a suspicion that that sentiment is much the same with XFS. |
| 10:04.20 | azeem | (but I think XFS' recovery is less stable than ext3's) |
| 10:04.40 | azeem | so when it works, it works pretty well, but when it doesn't, you better have backups etc. |
| 10:04.54 | nirupama | I took apache source and did some modifications and then ran checkinstall to create deb package |
| 10:04.54 | jelly-home | you better have backups. |
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| 10:05.01 | jelly-home | no matter. |
| 10:05.14 | nirupama | when I install that deb package in some other machine it only shows the modified part |
| 10:05.16 | Arafangion | jelly-home: That said, you don't want to need to /use/ them. |
| 10:05.25 | nirupama | I did not get the whole deb package contents |
| 10:05.29 | jelly-home | Arafangion: *shrug( |
| 10:05.32 | Arafangion | jelly-home: It is no fun to recover from backups. |
| 10:05.40 | nirupama | How to get a full version of the package if not checkinstall |
| 10:05.52 | azeem | nirupama: please be more specific |
| 10:06.00 | jelly-home | Arafangion: then your backups aren't configured well enough. |
| 10:06.00 | azeem | what do you mean with "shows the modified part"? |
| 10:06.40 | jelly-home | Arafangion: I'm doing a restore this very moment. |
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| 10:07.07 | babilen | nirupama: i think 'dpkg-buildpackage' is what you are after |
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| 10:07.25 | babilen | nirupama: but have a look at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
| 10:07.44 | babilen | anybody can suggest a nice automount daemon akin to gnome-volume-manager? |
| 10:07.45 | Arafangion | jelly-home: I've done a full restore from backups with only trivial loss of work (a few hours, most of which I was in unimportant lectures since the previous backup), but the restore took 2 /hours/, and I wished I was studying instead. |
| 10:08.13 | jelly-home | azeem: reiserfs (v3) is the one where fsck is basically hopeless, it's faster to mkfs and restore the files |
| 10:08.18 | nirupama | azeem, see I have taken apache2 source from debian and added some lines to httpd.conf file to make my application work.I wanted to make that changes permanent so used checkinstall command to generate a deb package to store my modifications.But when I install that deb package in some fresh machine it does not take whole apapche2 deb content as ususal when we install it from source instead it installed only the modified part only.How to get whole apache2 deb |
| 10:08.18 | nirupama | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:08.57 | jelly-home | Arafangion: right, but it should be fire and forget, not having to monitor it for hours |
| 10:09.11 | nirupama | babilen, but dpkg-buildpackage will only give deb.My modifications made to httpd.conf and ./configure will not be saved |
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| 10:09.55 | Arafangion | jelly-home: It's generally inconvenient to use that computer in the meantime, though. You miss the point, a backup is /inconvenient/. |
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| 10:10.22 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Thus, it is important to avoid the neccessity of using it - note that I am not saying that they are unneccessary. |
| 10:10.23 | babilen | nirupama: you can change the default configuration files within the debian/ folder of the src-package obtained with 'apt-get src <pkg>' |
| 10:10.26 | nirupama | babilen, azeem remember I added options while ./configure also and i need that these modifications should go as deb |
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| 10:10.46 | nirupama | babilen, oh |
| 10:11.22 | nirupama | babilen, but will it store my new configurations made |
| 10:11.32 | mycelium | whether there is an analogue of freebsd watch in linux? |
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| 10:12.05 | jelly-home | Arafangion: dunno, it's all about minimizing human time spent. Whether it'll be spent on a careful fsck or a restore doesn't matter. |
| 10:12.31 | babilen | nirupama: the configuration parameters are specified within 'debian/rules' you then have to "describe" debian/changelog your changes in 'debian/changelog' and set a new version number |
| 10:12.51 | Arafangion | jelly-home: At the end of the day, I'm happy to live with a system that takes 5 seconds longer to boot if it means less frequent use of backups. |
| 10:13.03 | nirupama | babilen, ok |
| 10:14.30 | babilen | nirupama: the version number is pretty important because the version has to be "greater" than the original one, because aptitude would "upgrade" your newly (self maintained) packages in the next *-upgrade run |
| 10:14.55 | Arafangion | babilen: Unless he pins it. |
| 10:15.07 | nirupama | babilen, but I dont see and configuration lines in rules file |
| 10:15.10 | Arafangion | mycelium: Linux has "watch" as well, not sure if it has the same semantics, though. |
| 10:15.20 | babilen | nirupama: i usually set it to <oldversionnumber>local1, but am not sure if that is the best way. there was a discussion on debian-user on that topic recently |
| 10:15.32 | nirupama | babilen, is it rules file or configure file outside debain folder |
| 10:15.54 | mycelium | Arafangion: linux watch != freebsd watch |
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| 10:16.18 | Arafangion | mycelium: It might help to give #debian folks slightly more information than that... |
| 10:16.30 | mycelium | ok :) |
| 10:16.50 | Arafangion | mycelium: Specifically, what do you want to /do/? |
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| 10:17.09 | babilen | nirupama: it is "./debian/rules" *within* the source package |
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| 10:18.45 | mycelium | in freebsd "watch" snoops on another tty line. "ttysnoop" in linux is little bit like this. but use a special daemon, that is bad |
| 10:18.48 | azeem | nirupama: why do you think it only installed the modified parts? What is the content of the .deb? |
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| 10:18.57 | azeem | if it only installed some files, then the .deb is broken |
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| 10:19.20 | nirupama | azeem, it did not give whole content as i compared it with another machine also |
| 10:19.36 | azeem | nirupama: how did you compare it? |
| 10:20.36 | nirupama | azeem, when I installed same apacge source by giving ./configure,make make install the content is more(folders and files),whereas when i did checkinstall and installed the generated deb package the content is very less |
| 10:20.55 | azeem | "make install" does not have any content |
| 10:21.22 | azeem | nirupama: pastebin the output of "dpkg -c <your apache2>.deb" |
| 10:21.40 | nirupama | azeem, ? |
| 10:21.47 | azeem | what part is unclear? |
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| 10:22.05 | babilen | nirupama: which apache flavour are you after? |
| 10:22.29 | nirupama | babilen, 2.2.8 |
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| 10:22.56 | datenritter | i have a strange problem with openvpn. it brings up the tap-device correctly, but only if /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf is *not* run. if it *is* run, the tap device won't have an IP, so setting the routes fails. i can configure everything manually, though, and it works. |
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| 10:23.03 | azeem | nirupama: lenny has 2.2.9 |
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| 10:23.06 | datenritter | the delay-options don't help btw. |
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| 10:26.27 | nirupama | azeem, http://pastebin.com/m1c7b0ff |
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| 10:26.53 | nirupama | azeem, when i installed using ./configure,make make install htdocs folder is there but with this deb there is no htdocs |
| 10:27.09 | babilen | can somebody suggest a good automount daemon which behaves like gnome-volume-manager? |
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| 10:27.51 | themill | babilen: "/msg dpkg automount" for some ideas |
| 10:27.52 | azeem | nirupama: you're not talking about the /usr/share/doc/apache2/docs/manual files? |
| 10:28.17 | nirupama | azeem, no this folder name itself is htdocs |
| 10:28.31 | nirupama | which should come in /usr/local/apache2/htdocs |
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| 10:29.07 | azeem | no idea |
| 10:29.21 | divad | I'm looking for a reliable provider that offers debian virtual hosting and charges for resource usage, any recommendations? |
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| 10:29.51 | liable | what do you mean by charges for resource usage? |
| 10:30.04 | babilen | themill: thanks. i have been using gnome-volume-manager until now, but it no longer automounts (#507736). i do *not* run nautilus, but am looking for an alternative |
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| 10:30.19 | babilen | which behaves like g-v-m |
| 10:31.04 | Arafangion | babilen: There's a variety of alternatives, but unfortunately g-v-m is the most convenient. |
| 10:31.13 | Arafangion | babilen: It's possible to just use udev alone as your automounter. |
| 10:31.26 | divad | liable: I mean you pay proportional to the resources (mem, cpu, bandwidth) that you use, I remember I saw one while random browsing a while ago and I can't find it now grrrrrrr |
| 10:32.04 | babilen | would that enable me to have previously unseen drives as /media/<volume-label> ? |
| 10:32.09 | lupine_86 | divad, amazon maybe? Note that you tend to end up paying quite a bit more for that kind of service |
| 10:32.14 | babilen | udev that is... |
| 10:33.23 | Arafangion | babilen: http://www.google.com/search?q=udev+automounter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a |
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| 10:33.28 | Arafangion | babilen: I suggest the second option. |
| 10:33.31 | divad | lupine_86: hmmm my idea is precisely the opposite, to pay less because there will be long downtimes :P |
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| 10:33.48 | lupine_86 | divad, they're cheaper when you're doing basically nothing, as soon as you get a bit of traffic your costs go through the roof |
| 10:33.48 | Arafangion | babilen: I haven't tried it though. |
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| 10:34.11 | divad | the one I had seen was a small company in the US, they had developed their own virtualisation envmnt |
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| 10:34.52 | divad | lupine_86: right |
| 10:35.04 | lupine_86 | heh, good old them |
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| 10:35.30 | divad | aargh, life (TM) definitely needs (i) replay and (ii) search |
| 10:35.44 | lupine_86 | divad, you can get debian amis (and canonical-built ubuntu ones, too) for amazon. Personally I'd just pay the £15 or so and get a VPS |
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| 10:36.26 | Arafangion | divad: What exactly do you need a VPS for? That's the first question I'd be asking. |
| 10:36.35 | divad | lupine_86: I'll end up doing that |
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| 10:37.17 | lupine_86 | Arafangion, I started off using it for my own mail, web, dns, dhcp, tunneling and svn/git |
| 10:37.24 | divad | Arafangion: personal use (service testing now and then, sync of laptop/desktop, etc) |
| 10:37.47 | Arafangion | divad: Those hardly require a VPS. |
| 10:38.10 | lupine_86 | Arafangion, don't underestimate the power of getting 100mbit/sec :) |
| 10:38.13 | babilen | Arafangion: i understood udev mounting to require me to explicitly refer to the volume label/or the kernel name, to create custom tailored mount rules |
| 10:38.21 | Arafangion | lupine_86: That's bordering on needing a VPS. :) 100mbit/sec, *sweet*! |
| 10:38.38 | lupine_86 | if your VPS doesn't come with 100mbit/sec, you're with the wrong provider |
| 10:38.47 | lupine_86 | then again, the nature of my job makes me a picky git ;) |
| 10:38.48 | Arafangion | babilen: Correct, you have to refer to /something/. |
| 10:38.55 | Arafangion | lupine_86: Love the reference. :) |
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| 10:39.14 | lupine_86 | hmm? which reference? |
| 10:39.15 | Arafangion | lupine_86: Me... I'm a vista user at work, dealing in MS Word. :( *sobs* |
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| 10:39.29 | lupine_86 | *shudder* |
| 10:39.48 | Arafangion | lupine_86: git... ie, to be using git... Also it's how Linus once described himself, as implementer of git. |
| 10:40.13 | lupine_86 | ah |
| 10:40.15 | Arafangion | lupine_86: Only one more month to go... Still will be a vista user, but at least I won't have to use Word anymore! |
| 10:40.18 | lupine_86 | yeah, I never actually use it anymore |
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| 10:41.17 | Arafangion | I love git. |
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| 10:44.26 | nirupama | I have compiled the source using ./configure --enable-module=so for apache2.what I should do to get that modification in the deb package |
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| 10:45.06 | `Abo | hey guys, I have a problem with my added users on my debian machine, when they login on ssh they can: cd /home and read other users files, and some of them complain that some people know their game passwords, and I bet other customers just view their files |
| 10:45.28 | `Abo | how do I make home invisible from users and users files to be viwed only by theirselves |
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| 10:47.08 | Arafangion | `Abo: Simple, remove group read access. |
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| 10:47.54 | Arafangion | `Abo: You might want to change the umask, too. |
| 10:47.59 | `Abo | how |
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| 10:48.39 | saTTY | hey guys |
| 10:48.47 | `Abo | drwxr-x--- 31 root root 4096 2009-06-09 23:22 home |
| 10:48.49 | `Abo | is this ok? |
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| 10:49.19 | datenritter | `Abo: that won't work |
| 10:49.29 | `Abo | I messed it up then :/ |
| 10:49.40 | jelly-home | `Abo: you did, put it back. |
| 10:49.56 | datenritter | `Abo: you should read about linux access rights, owner, chmod etc... |
| 10:50.06 | datenritter | man chmod |
| 10:50.11 | jelly-home | !tell `Abo about permissions |
| 10:50.20 | datenritter | ah, permisssions is the word. :) |
| 10:50.22 | `Abo | is it ok now? drwxr-xr-x 31 root root 4096 2009-06-09 23:22 home |
| 10:50.44 | Arafangion | `Abo: It's no-longer stuffed, so now you just need to start reading. :) |
| 10:50.52 | datenritter | `Abo: it's NOT about the home folder, but about it's contents. |
| 10:51.30 | datenritter | the subfolders have groups and group permissions |
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| 10:52.29 | Arafangion | `Abo: Unix permissions are easy to understand and are very simplistic yet practical, the main gotcha is that you need execute permission to open a directory (ie, folder) |
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| 10:52.42 | Arafangion | never did find out why... |
| 10:52.46 | `Abo | this is an user from home, is it ok now? drwxr-x--- 4 create create 4096 2009-06-10 10:34 create |
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| 10:53.06 | Arafangion | `Abo: No, and why aren't you reading? |
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| 10:53.29 | `Abo | because it is a lot of text to read and I just need it now, wont use it for the future |
| 10:53.37 | `Abo | and I dont have the time aswell :( |
| 10:54.05 | adb | use windows than |
| 10:54.18 | Arafangion | `Abo: You need to read the first FOUR paragraphs, that is not "alot of text". |
| 10:54.20 | datenritter | `Abo: cd /home; chmod g-rwx * |
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| 10:54.50 | Arafangion | adb: Windows permission schemes are far more complicated. I still haven't figured out how to even specify that a user can remote-desktop in. |
| 10:54.52 | datenritter | do this and accept that you don't know enough to be admin to this linux box |
| 10:55.08 | datenritter | Windows has persmission schemes? lol. |
| 10:55.20 | datenritter | Windows $%#*@!!! |
| 10:55.39 | jelly-home | datenritter: windows NT based systems have a much better ACL api than unix permissions. |
| 10:55.49 | Arafangion | datenritter: Yes, and they're technically better than linux's (traditional) permission schemes, although linux now has ACL's, but I rarely see people using them. |
| 10:55.57 | datenritter | jelly-home: i heard about that but i doubt it is correct. |
| 10:55.59 | `Abo | datenritter, but still when a users logs in he can do cd /home and ls |
| 10:56.04 | `Abo | and he gets the list with usernames |
| 10:56.13 | Arafangion | `Abo: What's wrong with that? |
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| 10:56.18 | datenritter | let me put it this way: ACLs are - well - ACLs. |
| 10:56.18 | `Abo | and most of the usernames have the same paths for some files, as I host some things |
| 10:56.26 | datenritter | if they are on windows or not... |
| 10:56.37 | omid8bimo | finally got print shring for win machines over samba !! |
| 10:56.42 | datenritter | the old UNIX scheme is hard to use for complicated setups, that's true. |
| 10:56.43 | jelly-home | datenritter: let me put it this way: don't talk about things you have no idea about |
| 10:56.52 | `Abo | and they can just for example pico /home/user/bla/bla/file.cfg and read it |
| 10:56.54 | faffi | omry_|work: lol you can do sharing with cups |
| 10:56.55 | datenritter | congrats to omid8bimo! |
| 10:57.03 | faffi | errr woops wrong person |
| 10:57.11 | faffi | omid8bimo: you can easily setup shares with CUPS |
| 10:57.12 | Arafangion | `Abo: Not if you've removed group access permissions for reading that file. |
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| 10:57.52 | omid8bimo | faffi: i know, i used cups/samba to provide my linux printer for windows pcs over the net |
| 10:58.03 | faffi | :D |
| 10:58.07 | omid8bimo | ;-) |
| 10:58.20 | Arafangion | Oh for crying out loud, go and grin elsewhere! |
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| 10:58.43 | `Abo | but I think there was something on debian to set it when you add users not to let it visible to others |
| 10:58.47 | `Abo | but I forgot |
| 10:58.57 | datenritter | printer sharing can be a pain. samba is pain. the whole windows-stuff is pain. just pain. |
| 10:59.08 | Arafangion | `Abo: There is no reason to hide that list whatsoever. |
| 10:59.16 | datenritter | i had so many "funny" error messages which had nothing to do with the actual problem... |
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| 10:59.31 | Arafangion | `Abo: And for the record, you can't hide that in windows either. |
| 10:59.37 | datenritter | i have a box where i can't restart samba - as the printer shares will disappear after the restart. |
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| 10:59.52 | `Abo | not the list |
| 11:00.00 | `Abo | for example I use that command and I add another user |
| 11:00.00 | Arafangion | datenritter: For how long? |
| 11:00.03 | `Abo | wont that be visible? |
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| 11:00.39 | datenritter | Arafangion: afaik they stay invisble for ever until i restart the whole box. which means there must be a trackable problem somewhere, but... well... |
| 11:00.39 | `Abo | there was something you used to type in debian as root and on a blue screen you set it not to allow others view added users content |
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| 11:00.55 | datenritter | also i had a lot of problems when updating samba in testing. i'm gong to stable therefore... |
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| 11:01.37 | datenritter | `Abo: thats the debian installer, it asks you about "group readable homes" or something when you install debian |
| 11:01.44 | datenritter | it has nothing to do with the user list |
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| 11:02.07 | `Abo | no someone from here told me few months ago, to type something as root, a blue screen appoeared asked me some questions and that was it |
| 11:02.18 | datenritter | if you want to hide the user list, you have to do really complicatd stuff like rsh with chroot or whatever. go, pay a computer scientist for that. ;) |
| 11:02.32 | datenritter | `Abo: there are lot's of blue screens. |
| 11:02.54 | datenritter | it's the debconf-interface. it appears when dpkg-reconfigure somepacket has questions. |
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| 11:03.08 | Arafangion | `Abo: For crying out loud, either you can administer a system, or you can't. If you can't, find someone who can, or learn, or use a system whose defaults just so happen to match what you want. |
| 11:03.11 | `Abo | does it look ok now, after I used your command? drwx------ 4 create create 4096 2009-06-10 10:34 create |
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| 11:03.39 | datenritter | it looks like only the user create can access that folder |
| 11:03.44 | `Abo | yeah |
| 11:03.48 | datenritter | which does not mean it's invisible! |
| 11:04.03 | `Abo | yeah |
| 11:04.20 | `Abo | as long as noone else can access files from its dir its ok, no matter if the dir itself is visible |
| 11:04.42 | datenritter | i think you achieved that. |
| 11:04.51 | datenritter | still i recommend you read about permissions. |
| 11:04.55 | Arafangion | datenritter: A case of sarcasm there? |
| 11:04.56 | datenritter | it's really important |
| 11:05.11 | Arafangion | Also, umask value. |
| 11:05.29 | Arafangion | He probably wants 077. |
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| 11:06.28 | datenritter | hm, but umask won't be important as long as all files are created in home folders, or will it? |
| 11:06.40 | Arafangion | datenritter: It'll be important for new users. |
| 11:06.54 | Arafangion | datenritter: And also new files. |
| 11:07.50 | datenritter | when new users are created, will the home have umask permissions or will adduser take them from the skeleton? |
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| 11:08.27 | jelly-home | RichiH: shoot |
| 11:08.40 | datenritter | btw: nobody here who knows why openvpn does not configure my tap0 properly when i use "up /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf" ? |
| 11:08.44 | Arafangion | datenritter: It's a default mask. It's why his files are group readable, because the default umask is 022. |
| 11:09.15 | datenritter | so umask is valid for the whole system and also for root? |
| 11:09.18 | RichiH | jelly-home: see query |
| 11:09.49 | datenritter | which means, every file or folder, root creates, will be 722 ? |
| 11:09.51 | jelly-home | RichiH: smells like network issues, firewall? dns? |
| 11:09.59 | Arafangion | datenritter: It's an environment setting. |
| 11:09.59 | datenritter | also when calling adduser etc? |
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| 11:10.07 | RichiH | jelly-home: neither |
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| 11:10.37 | datenritter | Arafangion: env doesn't show me any umask setting ;) |
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| 11:11.02 | `Abo | brb |
| 11:11.56 | Arafangion | datenritter: I thought it was an environment setting. :) I think it is system wide. |
| 11:12.10 | Arafangion | datenritter: But I'm sure I've used an env setting to change it once. |
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| 11:12.51 | RichiH | jelly-home: any other ideas? |
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| 11:13.28 | kringalf | arafangion/datenritter: do you mean /etc/login.defs? |
| 11:13.37 | Arafangion | kringalf: That's one place, yes. |
| 11:13.39 | jelly-home | RichiH: all of your upstream ntp servers are dead? :-) |
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| 11:14.16 | jelly-home | RichiH: does ntpq -p weyoun.cord.de report anything? |
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| 11:15.20 | kapowaz | hi there. does anybody know what the correct package name is for debian for âversion 2.4 or greater of the C Libraryâ? |
| 11:15.25 | kapowaz | I thought it was libc6, but evidently not |
| 11:16.00 | adb | glibc ? |
| 11:16.22 | azeem | kapowaz: it's libc6 |
| 11:16.28 | kapowaz | weird. |
| 11:16.31 | mosno | kapowaz: i've got libc6 here, too... maybe search for the specific file you're after with apt-file |
| 11:16.44 | azeem | kapowaz: what is your real problem? |
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| 11:16.59 | kapowaz | the install script I'm using is telling me I don't have version 2.4 or greater of libc |
| 11:17.11 | kapowaz | /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found |
| 11:17.14 | azeem | then it's broken |
| 11:17.17 | jelly-home | RichiH: does eg. any of these report their upstream for you? ntpq -p 0.debian.pool.ntp.org 1.debian.pool.ntp.org 2.debian.pool.ntp.org 3.debian.pool.ntp.org |
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| 11:17.37 | azeem | kapowaz: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 11:17.58 | azeem | and why are you using /lib/tls/libc.so.6? |
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| 11:18.12 | kapowaz | etch |
| 11:18.19 | jelly-home | kapowaz: you'll have to upgrade to lenny to have libc6 >= 2.4 |
| 11:18.27 | kapowaz | lulwhat |
| 11:18.44 | jelly-home | you heard it. |
| 11:18.45 | azeem | judd: versions libc6 |
| 11:18.46 | judd | azeem: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-13 |
| 11:18.46 | kapowaz | is lenny now the stable? |
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| 11:18.55 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 11:18.56 | mosno | someday i must learn why you can't have >1 libc on a system |
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| 11:19.15 | mosno | pokes his mental TODO |
| 11:19.17 | azeem | mosno: you can, if they are incompatible |
| 11:19.26 | azeem | like libc.so.6 and libc.so.7 |
| 11:19.37 | mosno | azeem: is it something to do with the dymamic loader? |
| 11:19.40 | mosno | dynamic* |
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| 11:19.50 | azeem | well, sort of |
| 11:19.52 | kapowaz | one day I'll find out why libc*6* is actually a version lower than 2.4 |
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| 11:19.57 | azeem | programs say they need libc6 |
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| 11:20.08 | azeem | only one library can (by default) provide libc6 |
| 11:20.14 | jelly-home | kapowaz: there was a libc5. |
| 11:20.23 | kapowaz | and presumably a libc4 too |
| 11:20.23 | mosno | azeem: ignoring Debian packaging for a moment... |
| 11:20.25 | azeem | kapowaz: it's the library version, not the program version |
| 11:20.36 | kapowaz | C Library 6, version 2.4! |
| 11:20.39 | kapowaz | alpha |
| 11:20.39 | azeem | mosno: you can have as many libcs on your system as you want |
| 11:20.46 | kapowaz | pre-release candidate |
| 11:20.47 | kapowaz | gold master |
| 11:20.50 | kapowaz | etcetera etcetera |
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| 11:21.40 | mosno | azeem: so it's a limitation of the Debian packaging system, or the nature of the libc? |
| 11:21.54 | kapowaz | sounds like the latter |
| 11:22.03 | kapowaz | but then what do I know. I only use debian for the luls |
| 11:22.10 | mosno | kapowaz: :) |
| 11:22.13 | kapowaz | and they are *plenty& |
| 11:22.26 | azeem | mosno: whatever you want to call it |
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| 11:22.32 | mosno | kapowaz: debian has it's rough edges, but it is definitely one of the best distros |
| 11:22.45 | azeem | the user/admin can put as many libcs on their system as they want, and override the dynamic linker |
| 11:23.01 | mosno | azeem: i don't want to call it anything, i'm just wondering what the technical limitation is. ... ah yea with those LD* variables? |
| 11:23.10 | azeem | e.g. |
| 11:23.21 | RichiH | jelly-home: ntpq -p weyoun.cord.de times out |
| 11:23.23 | azeem | or by putting it into /usr/local/lib, which takes precedence |
| 11:23.29 | kapowaz | mosno: well I'm not really familiar with anything else, but it does a job. Occasionally it fucks me up the arse, but I guess that's the nature of the beast. |
| 11:23.32 | mosno | LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 11:23.42 | mosno | kapowaz: lol |
| 11:23.45 | RichiH | jelly: paste in query |
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| 11:23.55 | Alocado | hello! |
| 11:24.06 | kapowaz | what gotchas are there for me to watch out for if I upgrade from etch to lenny? |
| 11:24.22 | kapowaz | like... will it be an entirely new version of (say) apache? |
| 11:24.22 | mosno | kapowaz: there are upgrade notes |
| 11:24.22 | azeem | kapowaz: read the lenny release notes |
| 11:24.24 | Alocado | i moved my hard disk with debian to a new system.. how can i automatically let regenerate the module configuration etc? |
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| 11:24.48 | jelly-home | RichiH: network issues, no response from those servers |
| 11:25.00 | jelly-home | RichiH: can you ping them? |
| 11:25.40 | jelly-home | RichiH: your ntp traffic might be blocked on an upstream router |
| 11:25.55 | azeem | kapowaz: you can ask judd |
| 11:25.59 | azeem | judd: versions apache2 |
| 11:26.00 | judd | azeem: apache2 -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch6 sid: 2.2.9-10 lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny2 sid: 2.2.11-2 squeeze: 2.2.11-5 sid: 2.2.11-6 |
| 11:26.37 | jelly-home | kapowaz: if you're still using apache 1.3, there will definitely be issues. |
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| 11:26.49 | kapowaz | I'm on apache 2.2.x |
| 11:26.52 | kapowaz | (I think) |
| 11:26.54 | kapowaz | certainly 2.2 |
| 11:26.55 | jelly-home | kapowaz: also php4 is gone |
| 11:26.59 | kapowaz | oh noes |
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| 11:27.06 | kapowaz | who uses that toss anyway? ;) |
| 11:27.25 | jelly-home | my clients |
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| 11:27.39 | kapowaz | so long as I can still host my Modula 3-based web framework, I'm happy. |
| 11:27.47 | jelly-home | you're weird. |
| 11:27.53 | kapowaz | I'm also joking. |
| 11:28.06 | kapowaz | I just don't happen to use PHP4 any more. |
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| 11:28.14 | jelly-home | kapowaz: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 11:28.51 | Alocado | which software is used to auto detect and write the configuration for module loading? |
| 11:29.12 | jelly-home | Alocado: kernel module? |
| 11:29.43 | jelly-home | Alocado: which modules are you talking about? |
| 11:29.45 | Alocado | jelly-home, kernel-modules... all which are needed to boot the system with maximum hardware support |
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| 11:30.19 | Arafangion | grumbles... Can't download glibc. :( |
| 11:30.24 | Arafangion | (the git repo) |
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| 11:30.30 | kapowaz | I don't think I even have PHP4 installed currently. |
| 11:30.41 | kapowaz | PHP5 has full backwards-compatibility with PHP4, right? |
| 11:30.48 | jelly-home | Alocado: udev does that, and there's a copy in the initrd image that tries to figure out "just" the modules required to boot |
| 11:31.01 | kapowaz | well, except for bits that were deprecated |
| 11:31.39 | jelly-home | Alocado: basically most things should just work even without messing with it |
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| 11:33.41 | jelly-home | Alocado: if there are issues, you can try rebuilding the image using update-initramfs. |
| 11:35.28 | Alocado | jelly-home, i'll try that |
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| 11:39.14 | stylesen | Is it possible to install mysql-server-4.1 in debian lenny? |
| 11:41.22 | Alocado | jelly-home, update-initramfs executed, but no result... |
| 11:41.59 | Alocado | i get (e.g.) this error message: "This is (id......) not an 8139C+ comptabile chip ; try the "8139too" driver instead |
| 11:42.05 | nkuttler | stylesen: why would you want to do that? |
| 11:42.37 | stylesen | I have a project which is using SQL compatible only with mysql 4.x, so want to do that! |
| 11:42.38 | jelly-home | Alocado: executed with what options? |
| 11:42.44 | Alocado | -k all -u |
| 11:42.54 | nkuttler | stylesen: iirc mysql5 has a compatibility mode |
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| 11:43.07 | jelly-home | Alocado: can you expand on the actual problem you're having? |
| 11:43.21 | stylesen | nkuttler: is there anything I need to do to enable it? |
| 11:43.34 | jelly-home | Alocado: ie. what doesn't work? |
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| 11:44.07 | stylesen | nkuttler: may be a package to install? |
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| 11:45.31 | nkuttler | stylesen: try #mysql, i don't remember.. maybe it was just a compatible import mode. |
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| 11:46.02 | stylesen | nkuttler: okie, thank you |
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| 11:46.11 | Alocado | jelly-home, i'm trying to install one system (with an image) on various systems (with different hardware environments, but all support x86)... and after this image install i have to regenerate the list of modules which are needed for the system on which my debian is running now |
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| 11:46.32 | jelly-home | Alocado: why do you have to do that? |
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| 11:47.23 | Arafangion | Alocado: You probably just want dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections |
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| 11:49.05 | jelly-home | Alocado: debian doesn't have a "list of modules which are needed for the system" by default. What is really the problem? |
| 11:49.06 | Alocado | jelly-home, work (university)... aim: very fast install (without user interaction if possible) |
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| 11:49.54 | exn | Hello everybody ! =) |
| 11:50.11 | QINJia | hi,everyone, does installation by netinstall method support ipv6 network? |
| 11:50.11 | exn | How can I get nameserver for ip. libresolv can do that ? |
| 11:50.18 | Alocado | jelly-home, the installer is able to scan the hardware and build "important" parts of the system for get it working... i want to execute them again |
| 11:50.34 | jelly-home | Alocado: why? |
| 11:50.52 | jelly-home | Alocado: _what fails to work_ if you don't do that? |
| 11:50.58 | Alocado | to get the system working with all components on the new hardware |
| 11:51.29 | jelly-home | Alocado: dude. After you install a new machine, does anything actually fail to work? |
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| 11:51.52 | Alocado | jelly-home, sry, i have to go to another room... will be back in 10 minutes.. |
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| 11:51.58 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
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| 11:52.09 | aprendiz001 | I have an error with cron |
| 11:52.12 | jelly-home | sighs |
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| 11:52.20 | aprendiz001 | /etc/init.d/cron start |
| 11:52.21 | aprendiz001 | Starting periodic command scheduler: crond failed! |
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| 11:52.56 | aprendiz001 | I have debian lenny and looks like cron is not started by default and I can't get it up |
| 11:53.04 | kampala | tail -f /var/log/cronlog |
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| 11:54.46 | gareth0 | hi, how can i move around and select things on the screen you get when doing "dpkg-reconfigure locales" ? |
| 11:54.57 | aprendiz001 | kampala, I haven't that file |
| 11:55.21 | azeem | gareth0: try the cursor keys and space for select |
| 11:55.24 | gareth0 | the only buttons that do anything seem to be esc, enter and arrow keys; how do i select things from the menu? |
| 11:55.26 | aprendiz001 | Starting periodic command scheduler: crond failed! |
| 11:55.30 | gareth0 | ah, thnx will try |
| 11:56.01 | azeem | aprendiz001: try syslog or daemon.log instread |
| 11:56.03 | azeem | instead* |
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| 11:56.32 | kampala | try ls /var/log/cron*, or maybe grep -r cron /var/log/* |
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| 11:58.35 | aprendiz001 | kampala, azeem with ps -ef | grep cron I can see root 11737 1 0 13:49 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cron |
| 11:58.44 | aprendiz001 | that means is it working? |
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| 11:59.14 | aprendiz001 | yes, that is |
| 11:59.14 | kampala | yes, its is working |
| 11:59.30 | nirupama | how to mention the ./configure parameters in rules file |
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| 12:00.22 | kampala | but i don't know why there in not cronlog, it might be |
| 12:00.36 | azeem | nirupama: depends on the rules file |
| 12:00.43 | azeem | kampala: there's no cronlog |
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| 12:01.34 | kampala | anyway cron might have log |
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| 12:07.46 | Phasy13 | how to find out what encoding is used in vi? |
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| 12:11.37 | schmrz | Hello Everyone |
| 12:12.03 | schmrz | Is it possible to deny access to some interface for a certain program/process/application? |
| 12:12.09 | nkuttler | Phasy13: afaik vim uses the file's encoding by default |
| 12:12.36 | RichiH | jelly: icyc: the ntp config must not be in CIDR notation |
| 12:12.39 | themill | Phasy13: ":set fenc" should tell you |
| 12:12.48 | RichiH | but ntp does not complain about this |
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| 12:13.17 | enouf | yikes |
| 12:13.26 | nkuttler | Phasy13: but check after saving the file, vim might to conversions |
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| 12:19.25 | Alocado | jelly-home, the whole story: i installed debian in an virtual machine. with this virtual machine i created a dummy image with all files and make a "fast" installation on an empty, new hardware environment |
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| 12:20.06 | jelly-home | RichiH: it's ISC software, don't expect sane code. |
| 12:21.02 | Alocado | jelly-home, so: because a virtual machine has other hardware components as n real (embedded) hardware system i have to rescan the hardware and modify the installation in a way which make the system running with the new hardware |
| 12:21.52 | Alocado | that's my problem in a short overview. i'm searching the script/program which is executed by the debian installer to check for hardware components and needed modules/packages/configuration/... |
| 12:22.06 | jelly-home | Alocado: how does the system fail to run if you don't modify anything? |
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| 12:23.46 | Alocado | jelly-home, i've tested it in 2 differend hardware environments. first: all seems to work except network; second: doesn't start with the above written chipset module error |
| 12:25.01 | mib_0ssmk0pd | Alocado, where are u from? |
| 12:25.03 | jelly-home | Alocado: "doesn't start"? Hangs during boot? |
| 12:25.47 | Alocado | mib_0ssmk0pd, germany. why? |
| 12:25.51 | mib_0ssmk0pd | donga naa |
| 12:25.55 | jelly-home | Alocado: as for the network issue, verify dmesg of that file, /msg dpkg z25, see if the ethernet device got renamed to eth1 |
| 12:26.13 | jelly-home | dmesg of that machine* |
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| 12:27.15 | mib_0ssmk0pd | :D |
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| 12:28.57 | RichiH | jelly-home: well, no. but _that_ is such an obvious issue... |
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| 12:29.12 | RichiH | 'if the config parser does not understand the config, throw an error' |
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| 12:29.55 | Alocado_ | jelly-home, sry, ping-timeout |
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| 12:30.11 | Alocado_ | <jelly-home> dmesg of that machine* <-- last message received |
| 12:30.18 | Alocado_ | <Alocado> jelly-home: loads the kernel and give the error message that the cipset isn't compatible to the loaded module. network: there isn't any network interface at all, lspci shows 2 Gigabit controllers but dmesg, /dev/xconsole etc. doesn't know any |
| 12:33.00 | Anthro | I'm looking for a way to generate a call graph visualization from nm output. I need to generate the call graph statically rather than from dynamic profiling, and I need to do it from a compiled binary rather than source. Any suggestions? |
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| 12:36.39 | jelly-home | RichiH: you haven't dealt with Bind or INN much, have you (some of their other fine products). |
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| 12:37.45 | saulus | how do I get the total of used space of a program? I want the size for vim-full |
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| 12:37.57 | jelly-home | Alocado_: oh, so the other machine also has the issue that just the network doesn't work? |
| 12:38.32 | jelly-home | saulus: disk space? |
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| 12:39.08 | abrotman | saulus: apt-cache show vim-full |
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| 12:39.30 | Alocado_ | jelly-home, first test machine: only networking doesn't work (eg the "lo" device)... on the second i can't test it ;) system stops booting at the cipset error |
| 12:39.31 | jelly-home | saulus: dpkg -s packagename tells you a number of things, Installed-Size: number is in KiB. |
| 12:40.00 | jelly-home | Alocado_: did you verify the z25 issue on the first one? |
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| 12:42.24 | Alocado_ | jelly-home, yes, but that doesn't solve the problem... i'm searching for a general hardware scan and reconfiguration of kernel modules etc... the same what happens while debian is installed with the official debian installer |
| 12:42.26 | jelly-home | Alocado_: as for the second machine, I suspect the 8139* module warning is a red herring. You can try booting it from a livecd, mount the system and blacklist those modules if they're not used |
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| 12:43.22 | jelly-home | Alocado_: udev does the scan dynamically at each boot. |
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| 12:43.42 | trone | hi all. I'm looking to use rewrite mod following guides, but I'm not able to do it to works. I'm on debian sid, apache2.2, rewrite mod enabled and "working" (I think, because RewriteLog create the log file). I wrote in my httpd.conf RewriteEngine On and simple RewriteRule RewriteRule ^old\.html$ new.html but it don't change. What can I check? |
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| 12:45.27 | jelly-home | Alocado_: #debian-boot on irc.debian.org is the channel for debian-installer people |
| 12:45.53 | junix | hi, i seem to be having some issues with installing Debian Etchnhalf, it seems to lock up when looking for an APT repository, has anyone else encountered this? |
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| 12:46.10 | Arafangion | One of my HDD's is much slower than I think it should be. |
| 12:46.19 | Arafangion | What should I do to investigate why? |
| 12:46.48 | Alocado_ | jelly-home, thx |
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| 12:47.14 | Alocado_ | it's empty. |
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| 12:47.23 | enouf | no it's not |
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| 12:47.42 | enouf | Arafangion: what's different about the slow one? |
| 12:47.57 | jelly-home | Alocado_: use the correct irc network (not this one) |
| 12:48.02 | Arafangion | enouf: It's a physically different drive. I don't even know if it's using dma. |
| 12:48.05 | Alocado_ | * #debian-boot ##debian-boot :Forwarding to another channel |
| 12:48.12 | Alocado_ | jelly-home, oh -.- |
| 12:48.16 | Arafangion | enouf: I suspect that it's using 4MB blocks or something wierd, as well. |
| 12:48.28 | Arafangion | enouf: Whatever it is, it takes *forever* to create new files. |
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| 12:49.21 | enouf | Alocado_: if you're toying about with vmware .vdk images or something, rather than using the actual Installer - please don't bother debian installer people |
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| 12:50.04 | enouf | Arafangion: i meant physically and literally |
| 12:50.05 | jelly-home | enouf: he wants to reproduce parts of installer functionality in his own system |
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| 12:50.56 | IamSOG | um... why would he want to reproduce a reproduction system? |
| 12:51.00 | enouf | Arafangion: Connection/Bus/Interface types - cabling - Full capacity |
| 12:51.02 | enouf | etc |
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| 12:51.20 | Arafangion | enouf: physically I think it's fine. I'm deaf so I dont' know if it's making huge clicking noises, but I installed it a while ago and I think it's fine. I'm pretty sure the problem is software related. |
| 12:51.35 | jelly-home | Arafangion: dmesg for errors; mount to check the mount options (sync comes to mind); hdparm -i to see the modes used if the disk is connected via ATA |
| 12:51.54 | Arafangion | jelly-home: I'm takling throughputs of around 1 MB every couple of seconds. |
| 12:52.05 | Arafangion | It's a PATA drive. |
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| 12:52.23 | Arafangion | I want closer to 2-3 MB per second. |
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| 12:52.43 | enouf | Arafangion: well hdparm -i or -I will tell you DMA info - SATA drives use a variant of dma, the kind you don't disable |
| 12:53.02 | Arafangion | Hmm, hdparm isn't installed, wierd. |
| 12:53.04 | Janhouse | Hello! Nautilus crashes with no error mesages when I try to open Computer or Network |
| 12:53.06 | jelly-home | Arafangion: I'll just wait until you check the stuff before commenting further. |
| 12:53.08 | Janhouse | any ideas? |
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| 12:53.28 | jair | anyone uses mdadm here ?? good morning I am trying to understand why my mdadm linux software raid configuration shows the "swap" device = "/dev/md1" as active but "auto-read-only"??? is this normal? |
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| 12:53.56 | jelly-home | jair: where does it show that? What command are you using? |
| 12:53.58 | enouf | is it encrypted maybe? |
| 12:54.31 | enouf | and what does cat /proc/swaps say? |
| 12:54.35 | Arafangion | Apparently it is not using any DMA modes, but it is using udma2. |
| 12:54.52 | enouf | Arafangion: heh |
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| 12:54.55 | enouf | Arafangion: that |
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| 12:55.12 | enouf | crap ... Arafangion that's normal for a p2 era box |
| 12:55.37 | enouf | !udma |
| 12:55.37 | dpkg | i heard udma is a new fast (66/100 MB/s burst) standard for DMA transfers, mostly used by modern harddisks. The standard is also called UATA, ATA/66 and ATA/100. To get it working with 2.2 kernels, you'll need a kernel patch, recent 2.3 and 2.4-test kernels have support built in. A howto can be found at http://ldp.nllgg.nl/HOWTO/mini/Ultra-DMA.html, or UDMA 133 is the new standard for harddisks bigger than 137GB. its using now 48bit LBA instead of ... |
| 12:55.48 | Arafangion | enouf: It's 6 years old... Got it before I started uni. :) Saved up every cent. :) |
| 12:55.57 | Arafangion | enouf: Scary thing is that it's still faster than low-spec laptops... |
| 12:56.20 | enouf | Arafangion: my p2 is ~10 yrs old now - and those are it's disk speeds ;-) |
| 12:56.21 | Arafangion | Anyway, nothing wrong with the controller, the main HDD is fine, it's just /dev/hdb1 that's the issue. |
| 12:56.31 | jelly-home | Arafangion: pastebin the actual output of hdparm -i /dev/yourdevice |
| 12:57.13 | Arafangion | http://paste2.org/p/257576 |
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| 12:57.24 | jair | jelly-home: I am using this command to check the status of the raid => cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 12:57.32 | nickzxcv | this is really weird, I run time and it works as usual |
| 12:57.45 | jelly-home | jair: pastebin the output, too |
| 12:57.46 | nickzxcv | to measure how long its child runs |
| 12:57.50 | jair | jelly-home: ok |
| 12:58.08 | jelly-home | Arafangion: is hda another hard disk? |
| 12:58.19 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Indeed, and hda is fine. |
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| 12:58.35 | jair | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/38616/ |
| 12:58.46 | enouf | Arafangion: pastebin output of /msg dpkg walot |
| 12:59.12 | jelly-home | Arafangion: is there supposed to be any I/O for hda or hdb at present at all? |
| 12:59.24 | jelly-home | Arafangion: (are the HD lights blinky ;-) |
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| 12:59.31 | jair | jelly-home: but for some reason if i manually run the command mdadm -w /dev/md1 then the status change. |
| 12:59.34 | PointMan | Im trying to install debian on my Dell R200 server, but it doesnt wanna boot on the dvd i found here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/ia64/iso-dvd/ |
| 12:59.38 | PointMan | ideas? |
| 12:59.57 | jelly-home | jair: ya know, I have no idea what that means :-) |
| 12:59.58 | nsadmin | does it boot other dvds |
| 13:00.04 | jair | jelly-home: but if I reboot the system goes back to auto-read-only and it's only the "swap" partition |
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| 13:00.10 | PointMan | nsadmin: good q, let me test |
| 13:00.28 | jair | jelly-home: is there a channel for mdadm? |
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| 13:00.35 | jelly-home | PointMan: you don't have an Itanium machine. |
| 13:00.46 | nickzxcv | packages.debian.org says /usr/bin/time is in the time package |
| 13:00.47 | jelly-home | PointMan: use the amd64 images. |
| 13:00.53 | jair | jelly-home: it looks like not too many people here cares about their data hahahaha |
| 13:00.57 | PointMan | ah fuck |
| 13:00.57 | nickzxcv | and dpkg -s says I don't have time installed |
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| 13:01.00 | PointMan | your right |
| 13:01.00 | Arafangion | jelly-home: it blinks, but I'm certain it's only due to gaim logging. |
| 13:01.03 | nsadmin | ohhthat |
| 13:01.04 | PointMan | :) |
| 13:01.07 | nsadmin | s itanium |
| 13:01.07 | nickzxcv | but time still works |
| 13:01.12 | Arafangion | jelly-home: I doubt that hdb is connected to the lights. |
| 13:01.31 | nsadmin | just get a netinst cd |
| 13:01.35 | jelly-home | jair: correction: onot too many peopel |
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| 13:01.42 | jelly-home | jair: about YOUR data. |
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| 13:01.47 | Arafangion | http://paste2.org/p/257578 <-- And no, I'm not THAT paranoid. |
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| 13:02.39 | jair | jelly-home: fair. thank you I will keep reading on google |
| 13:02.56 | jelly-home | Arafangion: leave vmstat 1 running for 20-50 lines, then pastebin |
| 13:02.56 | PointMan | ok im downloading it from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/amd64/iso-dvd/ but why is there a disk 1,2,3,4? |
| 13:03.30 | nsadmin | PointMan: wait, use a netinst... it's only 150 mb or so |
| 13:03.46 | PointMan | netinst? |
| 13:03.54 | jelly-home | Arafangion: what does "hdparm -tT /dev/hdb" say? |
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| 13:04.04 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Both HDD's are fairly idle right now, but here's the output: |
| 13:04.22 | Arafangion | http://paste2.org/p/257581 |
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| 13:04.49 | nsadmin | PointMan: if you can get the net interface working really early in the install, the installer will pull everything in off the net including parts of itself |
| 13:05.05 | Arafangion | http://paste2.org/p/257582 |
| 13:05.20 | nsadmin | if not, you can still install the base, it will be on the cd... |
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| 13:05.40 | jelly-home | Arafangion: that looks like 28MB/s, not 1MB/s to me. So the device is sane. |
| 13:05.43 | edoreld | Which command can I use to check the existence of a group? |
| 13:06.07 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Yup, I'm certain it's a software issue. |
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| 13:06.18 | jelly-home | Arafangion: would be better if it was connected to the second IDE channel alone, but doesn't matter that much |
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| 13:06.22 | PointMan | nsadmin: ok downloading now. Just tried another cd, it wont boot on that either, the boot sequence is right in the bios :-/ |
| 13:06.33 | nsadmin | edoreld: grep "thegroupyouwant" /etc/group |
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| 13:06.44 | Arafangion | jelly-home: From memory, it's connected to a CD drive. I like to keep my /dev/hda on it's own channel. |
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| 13:06.59 | themill | edoreld: "getent group groupname" |
| 13:07.01 | Arafangion | usually has a bad memory, but this isn't important here. |
| 13:07.02 | enouf | Arafangion: everything looks in order, except the old extraneous non-existant hdb3,4,5,6.. issue from blkid reading /etc/blkid.tab |
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| 13:07.14 | jelly-home | Arafangion: what does "mount" say? Or cat /proc/mounts? |
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| 13:07.25 | themill | nsadmin: making sure you have appropriate word boundary assertions there, of course |
| 13:07.35 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Only thing there that matters is that it is currently mounted on /mnt |
| 13:07.42 | nsadmin | PointMan: how new is this machine? |
| 13:07.44 | Arafangion | jelly-home: (rw,sync) |
| 13:07.49 | enouf | Arafangion: hdb is your Primary Slave drive it seems - does hda udma output (hdparm -i ...) also say it's udma2 ? |
| 13:07.53 | jelly-home | Arafangion: and you DO have sync option |
| 13:07.56 | enouf | Arafangion: ouch |
| 13:07.59 | jelly-home | Arafangion: there's your problem |
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| 13:08.09 | nsadmin | themill: right, he should read the output |
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| 13:08.11 | enouf | omg .. get that out of there |
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| 13:08.29 | Arafangion | suddenly notices sync. |
| 13:08.30 | nsadmin | edoreld: or, grep "^thegroupyouwant:" /etc/group |
| 13:08.51 | nsadmin | ahh good... |
| 13:08.51 | themill | nsadmin: I was assuming it was in a script. btw have a look at "getent group groupname"... |
| 13:08.52 | jelly-home | Arafangion: hda1 as well |
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| 13:08.57 | nsadmin | washes hands in sync |
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| 13:09.09 | enouf | Arafangion: also note what i said about PM/PS - SM/SS as it pertains to which Bus/connections |
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| 13:09.22 | jelly-home | Arafangion: you can mount -o remount,async /mnt on the fly |
| 13:09.34 | enouf | orders nsadmin into the kitchen |
| 13:09.59 | nsadmin | delivers 4 nsadmins into the kitchen |
| 13:09.59 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Just done that. :) I did know that, at least. :) |
| 13:10.08 | nickzxcv | can anybody tell me how I can run time without the time package being installed? |
| 13:10.10 | tdn | I have a samba server and several Windows XP clients. The clients have each of their homes mounted as drive H: and a shared drive on S:. Some of the Windows clients are suddenly getting this error, when trying to open the S: "Configuration information could not be read from the domain controller, either because the machine is unavailable, or access has been denied.", but at least one of the clients does not get this error. I cannot see anything in the l |
| 13:10.14 | enouf | heh .. |
| 13:10.37 | nsadmin | (really nasaly/scratchy tone) will there be fries with that? |
| 13:10.50 | abrotman | nickzxcv: if it's not installed, how would you like it to exist to be run ? |
| 13:11.00 | nickzxcv | i don't know but it works |
| 13:11.15 | nickzxcv | i thought maybe it was a bash builtin but its not listed on the builtins man page |
| 13:11.18 | Arafangion | And oh my goodness, using sync is damn slow! :) Thanks enough and jelly-home! |
| 13:11.23 | enouf | Arafangion: might want to also look at the various tune2fs (dir_index, data_ordered, etc) settings .. and maybe mount with noatime/relatime option as well |
| 13:11.28 | Arafangion | can't even remember how that got in there. |
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| 13:11.55 | Arafangion | enouf: I might be able to optimise it further, but for now this is good enough. This is like, 10x faster. |
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| 13:12.09 | Arafangion | enouf: I can now uncompress vim-7.2.tar.bz2 in "seconds". |
| 13:12.14 | abrotman | nickzxcv: so why wouldn't you read the man page for your shell and see ? |
| 13:12.17 | enouf | haha ... |
| 13:12.19 | Arafangion | As opposed to "go and watch a few scenes of scrubs". |
| 13:12.52 | jelly-home | judd: versions vim-full |
| 13:12.54 | judd | jelly-home: vim-full -- etch: 1:7.0-122+1etch5 etch-security: 1:7.0-122+1etch5 etch-backports: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2~bpo40+2 lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2 sid: 2:7.2.025-2 sid: 2:7.2.079-1 |
| 13:12.55 | liable | !hi |
| 13:12.55 | dpkg | hello, liable |
| 13:13.19 | jelly-home | Arafangion: I suppose you've heard of /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 13:13.30 | junix | when doing a netinstall of etchnhalf, how long should i be waiting for APT to catalog everything?? |
| 13:14.22 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Of course I have. :) |
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| 13:14.50 | nickzxcv | abrotman: it says times is a bash builtin but not time. maybe I am misunderstanding and it really is part of bash though? |
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| 13:15.24 | PointMan | im in the installer boot menu, fresh debian install. Should I choose expert graphiical mode to install debian as raid 1? |
| 13:15.36 | PointMan | or is it just normal graphical mode |
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| 13:16.35 | nsadmin | PointMan this is the netinst cd? |
| 13:16.58 | PointMan | yes |
| 13:17.09 | nickzxcv | abrotman: i think I understand how it works now, thanks |
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| 13:17.34 | nsadmin | cool... so, I dunno if you need expert to get to raid but my guess is no |
| 13:18.28 | nsadmin | are you gonna do lvm over raid? |
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| 13:19.01 | PointMan | not sure |
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| 13:22.01 | micols | can i not grow my raid5 before it has been built completely? i want to add 2 new disks but i get mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --raid-devices=9 /dev/md0: failed to find device 6. Array might be degraded |
| 13:22.14 | PointMan | nsadmin: im just going to do software raid, I figured I wouldnt be able to see the second disk only when I used mdraid |
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| 13:31.46 | PointMan | i have 8 GB memory, i should make the swap partition 8GB? |
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| 13:35.58 | gmap | when I install debian netinst it installs many packages that i do not need. How can I install the bare minimum so that I can apt-get install the stuff that I need manually? |
| 13:36.37 | nsadmin | gmap: netinst generally installs the base |
| 13:36.57 | nsadmin | then runs tasksel |
| 13:36.58 | nkuttler | gmap: don't install anything using tasksel |
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| 13:37.36 | gmap | nsadmin, but it installs stuff i dont need such as vim .it takes up like 470mb of disk space. I want to get it down to like 300mb |
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| 13:38.07 | lupine_86 | gmap, debootstrap then build from there? |
| 13:38.15 | lupine_86 | (that's generally 150MB or so) |
| 13:38.34 | gmap | is that part of the netinst iso? |
| 13:39.01 | lupine_86 | probably, but debootstrap is a tool that builds a basic debian rootfs up |
| 13:39.07 | nkuttler | gmap: netinstall doesn't install vim |
| 13:39.14 | lupine_86 | doing little things like kernel and bootloader is up to you |
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| 13:39.26 | PointMan | nsadmin: wouldnt you install lvm over raid 1? |
| 13:39.51 | enouf | gmap: for an embedded system, maybe look at emdebian -- why 300MB only? |
| 13:39.54 | gmap | hmmm, maybe when i reach this screen during the installation http://screenshots.debian.net/screenshot/tasksel i should pick manual package selection? |
| 13:40.03 | stew | gmap: uncheck "standard" when you are asked to install "standard" or "desktop" or "laptop" etc |
| 13:40.53 | stew | nkuttler: vim-tiny is Priority: important |
| 13:40.57 | enouf | without "standard", you'll be missing many *standard* tools ;-) |
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| 13:41.15 | gmap | enouf, i can install the tools i need through apt-get install no? |
| 13:41.24 | enouf | yep |
| 13:41.28 | stew | gmap: yes, you'd want "manual" there |
| 13:41.35 | gmap | ok thx stew |
| 13:41.50 | nkuttler | stew: that's not vim and it certainly doesn't need 470M.. |
| 13:41.51 | nsadmin | why should vim-anything be important? nano is still in the base, isn't it? |
| 13:42.05 | gmap | vim was an example |
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| 13:42.14 | gmap | but im surer theres other standard tools i dont need |
| 13:42.18 | nsadmin | I understand that... |
| 13:42.19 | gmap | im running a simple server |
| 13:42.24 | gmap | with minimum user interaction |
| 13:42.28 | stew | nkuttler: vim-tiny is vim, yes |
| 13:42.46 | gmap | yes, it was vim-tiny, and only took 7mb |
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| 13:43.07 | nkuttler | stew: if you mix package names and app names in the same sentence i guess you can say that (...) |
| 13:46.09 | Debtisgoodforyou | Those who think they understand monetary theory annoy those of us who actually do. |
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| 13:47.34 | stew | Debtisgoodforyou: wrong channel |
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| 13:48.44 | nsadmin | Debtisgoodforyou: you should consider the concept that sometimes what people think is none of your business |
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| 13:49.39 | Debtisgoodforyou | nsadmin: Not when those people are running for public office. |
| 13:49.45 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 13:49.53 | nkuttler | what happened to ignore the trolls? |
| 13:49.55 | nsadmin | oh, definitely wrong channel then |
| 13:50.07 | Debtisgoodforyou | Sorry. |
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| 13:50.47 | Debtisgoodforyou | I had a lot of trouble installing Debian Etch. |
| 13:51.13 | Debtisgoodforyou | It kept stopping at 5% if I used a network mirror. |
| 13:51.25 | enouf | gmap: consider http://pastebin.ca/raw/1455316 |
| 13:51.54 | Debtisgoodforyou | So I installed Debian Etch from the CD-ROM. |
| 13:51.57 | enouf | gmap: also look at /msg dpkg <something> .. haha, can't recall the factoid name |
| 13:52.08 | nsadmin | how did that go? |
| 13:52.15 | enouf | !repo list |
| 13:52.17 | Debtisgoodforyou | To install build-essential, I added ftp.us.debian.org as a mirror. |
| 13:52.24 | _pepo_ | hi friends |
| 13:52.32 | enouf | bah .. something like that |
| 13:52.47 | Debtisgoodforyou | I am getting warnings about the public key/hash not matching. |
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| 13:53.08 | nsadmin | btw are you sure you want etch? |
| 13:53.25 | gmap | enouf that list you sent me is a list of pkgs i should install? |
| 13:53.27 | nsadmin | it's stable but it will end-of-life soon |
| 13:53.47 | _pepo_ | I am using Squeezy on my hp6530b laptop when I close it my system is suspended but when I open it the sceen is so dark and I have to reboot to see everything well again |
| 13:54.00 | _pepo_ | what do you think about this problem? |
| 13:54.09 | Debtisgoodforyou | Yeah, I'll upgrade to Lenny later. |
| 13:54.37 | nsadmin | ok, and btw when you do, the instructions are on the lenny release notes |
| 13:54.59 | nsadmin | try apt-get install debian-keyring |
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| 13:55.36 | themill | _pepo_: Most likely the backlight hasn't been turned back on. Try poking around in /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video* -- something like "echo 7 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness" might do it for you |
| 13:55.59 | enouf | stew: hrm .. i get important vim-common install ok installed in my sid installation, fairly updated ... |
| 13:56.04 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.14 | nsadmin | oh, that's the wrong keyring, the right one for this purpose is debian-archive-keyring |
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| 13:56.34 | enouf | and vim-tiny is not installed - does vim-common replace -tiny? hrm |
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| 13:56.47 | enouf | !new archive key |
| 13:56.47 | dpkg | If you have fallen behind with your updates, then you may be getting this warning from apt-get update: "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 9AA38DCD55BE302B". Install the debian-archive-keyring package to load the new key or manually load the new key using apt-key after verifying that it has been correctly signed. Ask me about <secure apt> <apt-key 55BE302B>. |
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| 13:57.21 | PointMan | so im using the debianinstaller, Ive selected two partitions on my two drives and have selected raid 1, ive setup a md drive with those two. Now I have a raid partition avaible as a partion, it currently says 'Use as:'do not use', but if I want to use lvm then I should pick physical volume for lvm, right? |
| 13:57.46 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 13:58.09 | PointMan | is there any drawbacks to using the lvm over the raid 1? |
| 13:58.44 | nsadmin | I dunno how stable that's going to be... |
| 13:58.44 | enouf | seems pointless to me .. but |
| 13:59.28 | PointMan | enouf: yeah thats what Im thinking as the raid prevents me from doing any changes to the partitions anyways\ |
| 13:59.28 | enouf | if you use both disks (the /dev/mdX) for lvm .. |
| 14:00.04 | PointMan | ok a normal ext3 partition it is then |
| 14:00.07 | nsadmin | I would consider raid5 and three drives with lvm over that |
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| 14:00.30 | nsadmin | but yeah, an ext3 and a backup plan is good too |
| 14:00.44 | enouf | well, since both mdadm and lvm utilize device-mapper .. not sure .. but perhaps if the lvm is over the raid, the lvm would be self-contained to one disk, then mirrored? |
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| 14:01.13 | nsadmin | oh, raid1 is mirroring |
| 14:01.28 | nsadmin | forgot that :) |
| 14:01.49 | enouf | it gets funky once you start to use vgcreate/pvcreate/lvcreate and how you use those and such |
| 14:02.51 | PointMan | ok partition settings: typical usage:standard, standard settings allow file size > 4GB? |
| 14:03.14 | enouf | heh, you want to rip/save movies? :-) |
| 14:03.28 | PointMan | enouf: no xen images |
| 14:03.29 | mquin | running lvm on md is both stable and commonly uaed |
| 14:04.09 | enouf | concurs with that general assessment |
| 14:04.15 | nsadmin | mquin: common as of 2.6.18? |
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| 14:04.39 | nsadmin | that's probably the kernel he's got |
| 14:04.47 | enouf | PointMan: only you can tell then .. i would say yes to that question, but that's me |
| 14:04.49 | riot | is it possible to spin down a raid5 anyhow? hdparm? |
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| 14:05.18 | PointMan | enouf: well does the standard settings allow over 4Gb? |
| 14:05.30 | PointMan | its not up to me, im asking what the standard setting is :) |
| 14:05.39 | enouf | hrm .. does hdparm work on virtual block devices? |
| 14:05.41 | PointMan | it says standard, without explaining what that is |
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| 14:06.07 | riot | enouf: i'm unwilling to try this out now ;) |
| 14:06.18 | mquin | nsadmin: yep, and quite a few revs before that. |
| 14:06.24 | enouf | PointMan: sure it does -- standard for fat32 is <4GB .. for almost all others, it's larger ;-) |
| 14:07.06 | nsadmin | larger than less than 4gb? |
| 14:07.09 | PointMan | this is ext3 :) |
| 14:07.20 | enouf | nsadmin: precisely ;-) |
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| 14:07.51 | simNIX | after I switched some nic's around my Debian sees eth2 as eth2_rename_ren - So i countered with in /etc/udev/rules.d/010_netinterfaces.rules a KERNEL="eth*",SYSFS{address}=="00:50:04:ec:4d:d1",NAME="eth2" and the same line with there mac for eth0 and eth1 - but still after a reboot I only have a eth2_rename_ren - does someone see where I go wrong ? |
| 14:08.22 | themill | simNIX: there's already a file in udev to do all that for you. /msg dpkg z25 |
| 14:08.38 | enouf | simNIX: comment out the incorrect lines .. but that should be /70,,, file |
| 14:08.40 | simNIX | ty |
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| 14:09.01 | enouf | !70 |
| 14:09.01 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 14:09.14 | red_eyes | Where can I download apache for debian lenny, but without aptitude? |
| 14:09.19 | red_eyes | I mean install it manually? |
| 14:09.29 | simNIX | apreciated |
| 14:09.43 | simNIX | httpd.org ? |
| 14:09.46 | themill | red_eyes: what are you trying to do that aptitude install does not? |
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| 14:09.59 | simNIX | better q maybe yes .. why ? |
| 14:10.01 | red_eyes | themill: I need to install it normally. That's all. |
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| 14:10.17 | simNIX | normaly = through repository IMHO ... |
| 14:10.19 | red_eyes | themill: I have a homework that I can't use aptitude. |
| 14:10.22 | enouf | looks around for abinormal |
| 14:10.25 | simNIX | but hey - we got freedom :) |
| 14:10.27 | nsadmin | red_eyes: you mean you want to build it yourself? |
| 14:10.29 | themill | red_eyes: well normal is "aptitude install apache2-mpm-prefork" |
| 14:10.33 | red_eyes | themill: yes |
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| 14:10.53 | nsadmin | red_eyes from source? |
| 14:11.01 | red_eyes | themill: I want to download, extract, ./configure, make and like this |
| 14:11.10 | enouf | finds a brain ...in a jar .. in some funky smelling broth |
| 14:11.12 | nsadmin | ok, so you do want to build it |
| 14:11.16 | red_eyes | yup |
| 14:11.18 | themill | red_eyes: then you'll need to download it from apache.org |
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| 14:11.42 | red_eyes | Yeah, but I couldn't find the right file. |
| 14:11.51 | red_eyes | Can you give me a direct link if possible? |
| 14:11.55 | nsadmin | that's part of your homework |
| 14:12.10 | nsadmin | if we gave you a direct link, we' |
| 14:12.14 | themill | !homewor |
| 14:12.16 | nsadmin | d be helping you with it |
| 14:12.16 | themill | !homework |
| 14:12.17 | dpkg | well, homework is something you should do yourself |
| 14:12.38 | red_eyes | lol |
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| 14:12.43 | red_eyes | ok thanks |
| 14:12.46 | red_eyes | I think I found it |
| 14:13.04 | themill | red_eyes: you could start with http://packages.debian.org/sid/apache2 and look at the "Homepage" entry |
| 14:13.17 | red_eyes | thnks' |
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| 14:13.26 | simNIX | red_eyes, if you want steps to build apache from source maybe best look a linuxfromscratch; not to fully build it, but as a start just look in blfs and see command for build apache from source and what it depends on .. |
| 14:13.33 | nsadmin | read the build instructions, find the build requirements, satisfy/install those, then build it |
| 14:13.53 | red_eyes | k |
| 14:14.13 | themill | red_eyes: you might want to "/msg dpkg package recompile" for some debian shortcuts for the "hunt the library" game |
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| 14:14.31 | nsadmin | the thing is you've picked a fairly big thing to build. having said that, it will probably build just fine. |
| 14:14.53 | iveqy | hi, i'm having problems with apt. every time I install a program it tries to reinstall the same kernel as I'm running and fails |
| 14:15.26 | nsadmin | the "hunt the library" game is arguably also part of his homework :) |
| 14:15.36 | themill | hehe probably |
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| 14:16.12 | nsadmin | so technically I helped him, but not too much. I gave him a hint |
| 14:16.37 | IamSOG | ? hunt the library? I play "Hangman" and I got hanged so many times, so much that I don't remember :o |
| 14:16.58 | enouf | iveqy: try 'dpkg -configure -a' , or 'apt-get install -f' |
| 14:17.15 | themill | IamSOG: no, that's "hunt the librarian" which can also be a fun game |
| 14:17.18 | nsadmin | hunt the library can be much harder than hunt the wumpus :) |
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| 14:17.50 | IamSOG | :O use a shotgun ? |
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| 14:18.53 | iveqy | enouf: already done. Got error 255 |
| 14:19.27 | enouf | iveqy: if neither of those helps (but if they do something, pastebin command and any/all errors - or tell us what happened) ; only then try "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`" and run "dpkg -l linux-image-*" ugh .. |
| 14:19.56 | themill | iveqy: please pastebin the entire output along with some of the other things that enouf suggested |
| 14:20.02 | enouf | iveqy: can you show us the command and output that gave you that error? |
| 14:21.39 | iveqy | thanks, it can be found here (sry for the swedish translation) http://pastebin.se/198307 |
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| 14:22.11 | enouf | iveqy: you can use LANG=C as a prefix to each command to obtain English output |
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| 14:22.42 | enouf | iveqy: or just "export LANG=C" once, which will affect the entire shell session ..,, until |
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| 14:23.24 | SunnyD | have you guys ever seen this error: error opening terminal |
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| 14:24.46 | PointMan | ok in the installation i get a 'Software selection', i can choose between web server, print server etc. What is included in the standard system? |
| 14:24.59 | iveqy | http://pastebin.se/198308 like that :D |
| 14:25.02 | PointMan | Ill only be running ssh and xen on the server, so will I need it? |
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| 14:25.57 | abrotman | SunnyD: when doing what? |
| 14:26.14 | SunnyD | abrotman: opening nano |
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| 14:26.38 | jamesstanley | events/0 is using 100% of my cpu. I tried to kill it to see what would happen and even kill -9 didn't get rid of it |
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| 14:26.44 | SunnyD | abrotman: maybe i need to modify my ~/.profile |
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| 14:26.56 | jamesstanley | also cranberries18f is spamming new connectors, somebody want to kick it/him? |
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| 14:27.09 | enouf | iveqy: ok; pastebin output of "dpkg -l linux-image-*" and "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.26-1-686" |
| 14:27.11 | SunnyD | jamesstanley: new connectors ? |
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| 14:27.19 | jamesstanley | SunnyD: when i joined it spammed me |
| 14:27.23 | jamesstanley | i meant joiners, not connectors |
| 14:27.30 | SunnyD | jamesstanley: ahh ok :D |
| 14:27.48 | jamesstanley | so does anyone know what to do about events/0? |
| 14:27.52 | jamesstanley | should i just reboot the machine? |
| 14:28.05 | SunnyD | jamesstanley: i thought he was spamming RJ45/11 and RG6 conenctors :D |
| 14:28.08 | jamesstanley | ha |
| 14:28.10 | iveqy | enouf: okej, just a minute |
| 14:28.22 | abrotman | jamesstanley: they're supposed to be there |
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| 14:28.30 | jamesstanley | i know it's supposed to be there |
| 14:28.32 | jamesstanley | but i want it to restart |
| 14:28.33 | abrotman | jamesstanley: not using 100% .. but still should be there .. it's a kernel thread |
| 14:28.38 | iveqy | enouf: http://pastebin.se/198309 |
| 14:28.40 | jamesstanley | i know it's supposed to be there |
| 14:28.43 | jamesstanley | i want it to restart |
| 14:28.48 | abrotman | you could try to sighup it ? |
| 14:28.50 | themill | iveqy: do you have grub installed? what sort of machine is this? (a vps? a real computer?) |
| 14:28.50 | jamesstanley | i was hoping killing it would cause init to restart it |
| 14:28.52 | jamesstanley | sighup ok |
| 14:28.58 | slaveriq | hej i have a little problem with my nfs server. The server runs lenny and the client runs etch now i can't mount the nfs share |
| 14:29.04 | iveqy | http://pastebin.se/198310 |
| 14:29.22 | jamesstanley | abrotman: it's still using all of my cpu |
| 14:29.25 | jamesstanley | i think it's usb related |
| 14:29.33 | iveqy | http://pastebin.se/198311 |
| 14:29.34 | jamesstanley | it's printing a lot of usb messages to the screen |
| 14:29.35 | abrotman | unplug the usb device? |
| 14:29.47 | jamesstanley | it wasn't plugged in when it was started |
| 14:29.50 | jamesstanley | my kvm switch is on usb |
| 14:29.52 | iveqy | themill: yes I do, its a laptop hp compaq nc 6000 |
| 14:30.06 | jamesstanley | events/0 had locked up the machine before i went to the console |
| 14:30.07 | enouf | iveqy: do this; apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 14:30.09 | jamesstanley | i noticed when i couldn't ssh to it |
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| 14:30.48 | jamesstanley | some people on a forum say the ralink driver does it, i have a ralink wireless card, i'll try reloading the ralink driver |
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| 14:32.24 | PointMan | um on my server I want to install ssh/sshd so I do apt-get install ssh and it tells me that xauth, x11. |
| 14:32.25 | PointMan | c |
| 14:32.38 | PointMan | etc will be installed, how do I make it just install sshd |
| 14:32.39 | jamesstanley | it was indeed the ralink driver that was crashing events/0 |
| 14:32.41 | PointMan | and the ssh client |
| 14:32.43 | abrotman | PointMan: try without recommends |
| 14:32.47 | jamesstanley | unfortunately, without the ralink driver i still can't ssh in :P |
| 14:33.04 | PointMan | abrotman: im a debian noob :-/, without recommends? |
| 14:33.12 | abrotman | man aptitude |
| 14:33.24 | abrotman | and it's not really installing x11 |
| 14:33.25 | redstick | PointMan, do you play SubSpace? |
| 14:34.06 | PointMan | redstick: no |
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| 14:34.37 | LuciusMare | hey,i was installing xorg |
| 14:34.48 | LuciusMare | when like,in the half,my internet crashed |
| 14:35.22 | abrotman | while downloading or installing? |
| 14:35.24 | redstick | PointMan, why not jsut let it install the dependencies? |
| 14:35.25 | LuciusMare | i got it up again,but it seems to dont get correct anyway,when i removed it,and try to install it it tells me: "E: Damaged packages" |
| 14:35.32 | LuciusMare | abrotman: not sure |
| 14:35.39 | abrotman | redstick: they're not dependencies |
| 14:35.45 | nsadmin | the internet is fine... perhaps your connection to it died/crashed :) |
| 14:35.57 | abrotman | it's his internet! |
| 14:36.01 | iveqy | enouf: a thanks, I think I have the error: Err http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 2.6.26-15lenny2 |
| 14:36.10 | redstick | oh, recomends |
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| 14:36.12 | abrotman | iveqy: there's more to the error |
| 14:36.12 | iveqy | the mirror can not be found |
| 14:36.34 | iveqy | so I believe I have to use an other mirror? |
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| 14:37.13 | LuciusMare | how can i undone what i done by apt? |
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| 14:37.40 | PointMan | abrotman: ok im doing without recommends now. It still wants to install libedit2 with the ssh package, which is a line editing tool |
| 14:38.10 | themill | iveqy: updating to that new kernel isn't going to solve your problem though, unless you also remove the old kernel at the same time. (something like "aptitude install linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 linux-image-2.6.26-1-686_" would work) |
| 14:38.12 | abrotman | so? |
| 14:38.14 | enouf | iveqy: ? did you run the command i asked you to run? |
| 14:39.44 | PointMan | abrotman: im just trying to understand why I cant just the ssh related stuff, as in crypto libraries and the ssh binaries/daemon |
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| 14:39.59 | enouf | themill: thing is; _that_ kernel is already installed - albeit with a Failed-cfg, according to dpkg -l |
| 14:40.53 | themill | enouf: yep, so trying to install something else is still going to try to conf the package and that will fail again. |
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| 14:40.59 | iveqy | enouf: yes, it was then I got this error message |
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| 14:41.09 | enouf | unless; Installed: 2.6.26-13lenny2 !=2.6.26-2-686 |
| 14:41.32 | iveqy | enouf: http://pastebin.se/198312 |
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| 14:41.48 | enouf | i have no idea at this point how this situation is even possible .. but ok |
| 14:41.52 | themill | enouf: he only has a -1- kernel installed; no -2- kernels |
| 14:42.17 | themill | iveqy: you need to run "aptitude update" first |
| 14:42.24 | iveqy | themill: okej |
| 14:42.49 | enouf | themill: and would you agree that likely might be due to the fact that the metapackage state is "pn" ? (linux-image-2.6-686) |
| 14:43.14 | themill | dunno... the error seems to be coming from update-grub in the postinst |
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| 14:45.15 | scjamorim | \exit |
| 14:45.18 | enouf | hrm .. well .. ok -- but i'm told the metapackage is what helps bump the subversions each time one updates/upgrades - as you know, i'm sure, those metapackages provide the actual linux-image-2.6.26-* as a Depends ... but ok |
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| 14:46.18 | enouf | needs to rethink how to count properly |
| 14:46.20 | themill | enouf: of course -- that metapackage would drag in the -2- kernel, but I can't think how that would make update-grub fail in postinst |
| 14:46.49 | PointMan | um why is my /dev/md0 raid 1 only 228GB since I set it to 240GB? |
| 14:46.58 | PointMan | (using df -h) to check |
| 14:47.42 | enouf | themill: well, FWIW, the -1- isn't even Fully/Properly installed --> iF linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 2.6.26-13lenny2 Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
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| 14:48.03 | themill | PointMan: 1024 != 1000 at a guess. 240 * (1000/1024)^2 = 228 |
| 14:48.08 | enouf | the F == Failed-cfg |
| 14:48.28 | PointMan | ah |
| 14:48.29 | themill | enouf: right. So you can't try installing a -2- kernel until you either remove that package or actually configure it |
| 14:48.32 | PointMan | thanks |
| 14:48.37 | enouf | and it keeps trying to reinstall/install _that_ -1- one |
| 14:48.42 | enouf | Setting up linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13lenny2) . |
| 14:49.02 | themill | enouf: yep. and trying to install the -2- package will still try to configure the -1- package unless it is removed |
| 14:49.03 | enouf | themill: right ;-) |
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| 14:49.52 | enouf | themill: i guess my telling him to install the metapackage finally ties to actually pull in the -2- one .... now i see your tact with that - ok |
| 14:50.00 | enouf | s/ties/tries/ |
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| 14:50.31 | enouf | iveqy: you there? |
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| 14:50.42 | madAdam | Hello, could I have some help with ProFTPD? |
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| 14:51.40 | enouf | iveqy: can you try "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26-1-686" .. also do what themill suggested with the 'aptitude update', then 'aptitude install -f' |
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| 14:52.41 | MarcWeber | Which package contains mod_userdir for apache? |
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| 14:53.12 | enouf | iveqy: hrm, what does "ls -l /boot/grub/menu.lst" say? Then; pastebin output of 'cat /etc/kernel-img.conf' |
| 14:53.21 | hark | MarcWeber: you should have it |
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| 14:54.31 | iveqy | enouf: yep now |
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| 14:54.53 | iveqy | I did aptitude update and after that I was able to run apt-get install linux... |
| 14:54.54 | iveqy | http://pastebin.se/198313 |
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| 14:56.09 | themill | iveqy: can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -l grub\*" for us? |
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| 14:56.33 | enouf | iveqy: install grub please |
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| 14:56.47 | iveqy | themill: sure |
| 14:56.58 | iveqy | enouf: with apt or grub install? I already have grub |
| 14:56.59 | enouf | iveqy: if you don't want grub, then comment the line out in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 14:57.15 | Zvpun | how can I see the resolution of a png file? |
| 14:57.22 | enouf | iveqy: you might have grub-pc / grub2 ? |
| 14:57.31 | enouf | iveqy: do what themill asked |
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| 14:57.38 | iveqy | http://pastebin.se/198314 |
| 14:57.43 | enouf | iveqy: and what i asked ;-) |
| 14:57.57 | redstick | last time i updated to grub2 it ruined my install |
| 14:58.01 | iveqy | okej, i will install grub not |
| 14:58.11 | creature_ | !wireless |
| 14:58.12 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 14:58.14 | redstick | is everyone still using grub |
| 14:58.24 | abrotman | i'm using grub2 almost everywhere |
| 14:58.28 | themill | iveqy: what did you mean when you said earlier that grub was installed? Do you have it installed on another partition that is dual booting with Debian here? |
| 14:58.37 | enouf | well - i meant as far as pastebinning output and dpkg-reconfdigure .. but nm now :-P |
| 14:58.48 | cahoot | Zvpun: tried file my.png? |
| 14:59.02 | redstick | !atheros |
| 14:59.02 | dpkg | Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <ath5k> or <ath9k> for stable wireless chipset drivers; <ar9170> or <otus> for wireless drivers under development. The non-free <madwifi> driver was removed from Debian post-Lenny. Ask me about <atl1>, <atl2> or <atl1e> for Ethernet adapter drivers. |
| 14:59.27 | redstick | !ath5k |
| 14:59.27 | dpkg | [ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 5xxx PCI wireless LAN chipsets. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <wireless tree>. |
| 14:59.40 | enouf | iveqy: grub-common is basically grub2, IINM .. someone correct me if i'm mistaken |
| 14:59.41 | iveqy | themill: no, the debian installation process installed grub for me as a bootloader |
| 14:59.56 | enouf | grub-common: Installed: 1.96+20090317- |
| 15:00.04 | abrotman | redstick: msg the bot |
| 15:00.06 | enouf | yet |
| 15:00.08 | enouf | grub: Installed: 0.97-53 |
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| 15:00.09 | redstick | ive been meaning to ask here, whats the big difference between madwifi and ath5k ? |
| 15:00.14 | iveqy | http://pastebin.se/198315 |
| 15:00.19 | iveqy | grub installed... |
| 15:00.24 | redstick | im using madwifi now, should i bother with switching to ath5k? |
| 15:00.35 | enouf | judd: versions grub-common |
| 15:00.36 | judd | enouf: grub-common -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16 squeeze: 1.96+20090317-1 sid: 1.96+20090603-1 |
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| 15:01.21 | enouf | bingo |
| 15:01.31 | sircrazy | hey all |
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| 15:01.49 | Zvpun | cahoot: yes it shows the image size, but I read that png has a resolution field too, and I want to see it |
| 15:02.50 | iveqy | and now it works! |
| 15:02.51 | sircrazy | so I attempted a debian base expert install. got it all working, inside a VirtualMachine. My question is, is there a way to install gdm/kde/xfce without the install disc? when i try apt-get install gdm, instead of downloading packages, it asks for the install disk. I have run apt-get update already |
| 15:02.53 | iveqy | thanks guys! |
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| 15:03.29 | madAdam | Hello, could I have some help with ProFTPD? |
| 15:03.33 | Qew | Zvpun: a bit convoluted, but if you have Midnight Commander installed, you can always hit the F3 key, which will give you the resolution. I tend to have mc running all the time as my file manager, so that's how I do it. |
| 15:03.53 | simNIX | sircrazy, edit /etc/apt/sources.list to point to a online download source instead of the probalbly set cd there |
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| 15:04.00 | cahoot | Zvpun: identify -format "%wx%h res: %xx%y" my.png then? |
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| 15:04.20 | simNIX | !ask madAdam |
| 15:04.20 | erarda | http://pastebin.com/m482e046e |
| 15:04.30 | nsadmin | sircrazy: change your sources.list, comment out the cdrom sources, do what simNIX said, then run aptitude update |
| 15:04.30 | erarda | Help me please. |
| 15:04.40 | enouf | themill: good job focusing on the 'grub' error .. i was still looking for an earlier error - then once i took a second look, i saw the typical "No such file or directory" .. thanks - iveqy; carry on ;-) |
| 15:04.48 | madAdam | simNIX, how do I configure it? |
| 15:04.53 | sircrazy | nsadmin: gratz, simNIX gratz |
| 15:05.01 | abrotman | erarda: uname -a |
| 15:05.07 | abrotman | erarda: and why are you compiling apache |
| 15:05.09 | themill | enouf: don't clap, just throw money :) |
| 15:05.22 | erarda | abrotman: I have a homework for that. |
| 15:05.32 | abrotman | erarda: uname -a |
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| 15:05.47 | patrikf | erarda: you should probably install build-essential. |
| 15:05.47 | erarda | Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu May 28 15:39:35 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:05.52 | abrotman | !b-e erarda |
| 15:05.52 | dpkg | erarda: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 15:05.56 | simNIX | madAdam, im sorry psychic is not in my repostitoiry ... |
| 15:05.58 | sircrazy | !ask madAdam where is sources.lst |
| 15:05.58 | dpkg | sircrazy: okay |
| 15:06.03 | simNIX | ... al you asked can I get help |
| 15:06.13 | simNIX | without stating with what and what you tried .. |
| 15:06.26 | nsadmin | erarda: homework assignment? here's the hint: read the build instructions in the source, especially the build requirements |
| 15:06.29 | stew | dpkg: forget ask madAdam where |
| 15:06.35 | nsadmin | satisfy the build requirements |
| 15:06.36 | dpkg | stew: i forgot ask madadam where |
| 15:06.41 | nsadmin | try the configure again |
| 15:06.46 | Zvpun | Qew: are you sure it outputs resolution too or only size |
| 15:06.46 | madAdam | I'm confused :P |
| 15:06.59 | sircrazy | !ask madAdam where is sources.lst located |
| 15:06.59 | dpkg | okay, sircrazy |
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| 15:07.06 | simNIX | madAdam, Reading back I see you say; |
| 15:07.07 | Zvpun | cahoot: 72 Undefinedx72 Undefined, so I conclude its not set and 72 is the default of identify? |
| 15:07.13 | nsadmin | so that's Ma, Dad in the AM? |
| 15:07.22 | simNIX | Hello, could I have some help with ProFTPD? |
| 15:07.24 | stew | dpkg: forget ask madAdam where |
| 15:07.24 | dpkg | i forgot ask madadam where, stew |
| 15:07.26 | simNIX | and nothing else |
| 15:07.39 | stew | sircrazy: you are telling the bot to remember something about "ask madAdam where" |
| 15:07.41 | simNIX | how do you expect us to know the porb if you dont explain ? |
| 15:07.42 | madAdam | Where it is normally located? |
| 15:07.45 | Qew | it'll show resolution. However, cahoot does have a good idea with the identify command, which comes with the imagemagick app. |
| 15:08.01 | madAdam | I don't know how to configure ProFTPD |
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| 15:08.06 | simNIX | it ? |
| 15:08.06 | sircrazy | stew: i am sorry. I never understand how to interact with bots in irc :-\ |
| 15:08.22 | madAdam | You said "Where is sources.lst" |
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| 15:08.33 | simNIX | I didnt |
| 15:08.43 | simNIX | I pointed someone else to modify it .. |
| 15:08.59 | madAdam | Okay |
| 15:08.59 | madAdam | Right starting fresh |
| 15:09.03 | simNIX | k |
| 15:09.06 | simNIX | whats prob ? |
| 15:09.07 | madAdam | I don't know how to configure ProFTPD |
| 15:09.18 | haxi | How can I delete totaly a package by force? |
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| 15:09.22 | simNIX | did you google proftpd debian ? |
| 15:09.29 | madAdam | Yes |
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| 15:09.45 | simNIX | where are you stuck ? |
| 15:10.09 | enouf | themill: heh .. i'm working on it .. patience! :-p |
| 15:10.16 | madAdam | Don't know how to make users |
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| 15:11.04 | simNIX | i dont use proftpd but I asume it needs real Linux users ? |
| 15:11.17 | simNIX | ifso have a |
| 15:11.21 | simNIX | man useradd |
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| 15:11.45 | hark | !helpfile proftpd |
| 15:11.45 | dpkg | For help with proftpd, look in /usr/share/doc/proftpd There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 15:11.48 | nsadmin | useradd is a good proggy... there's anotehr that uses it called adduser |
| 15:11.54 | simNIX | aha |
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| 15:12.40 | madAdam | I don't see where the password is set |
| 15:12.45 | madAdam | I can see where it is setting the username |
| 15:12.48 | madAdam | But not the password |
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| 15:13.24 | simNIX | if I want to set password for meauser I'd do |
| 15:13.31 | simNIX | passwd meauser |
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| 15:14.13 | simNIX | but beware maybe you only want to give ftp and not shell access, ifso I set shell to /usr/sbin/nologin (may be aded to /etc/shells) |
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| 15:14.19 | madAdam | So proftpd requires debian users |
| 15:14.27 | madAdam | How do I see all the users? |
| 15:14.37 | abrotman | maybe he should be asking #proftpd |
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| 15:14.44 | simNIX | cat /etc/passwd |
| 15:14.57 | simNIX | maybe it can do virtual users proftpd |
| 15:15.03 | madAdam | I just changed the password and it still thinks i'm getting it wrong |
| 15:15.16 | abrotman | maybe he should be asking #proftpd |
| 15:15.27 | simNIX | follow suggestion abrotman |
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| 15:15.57 | abrotman | and you should be using adduser, not useradd |
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| 15:16.19 | simNIX | ok |
| 15:16.56 | haxi | hello, a fucked package (adobe-flashplugin) is blocking all my actions with apt and aptitude (I tried to install it from hardy's .deb (distributed by adobe website)) |
| 15:16.59 | haxi | what can I do? |
| 15:17.19 | simNIX | hardy's not debian ... |
| 15:17.23 | maligor | demove it |
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| 15:17.28 | maligor | err. remove |
| 15:17.29 | simNIX | yup remove |
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| 15:17.33 | haxi | I can't remove |
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| 15:17.35 | haxi | let me show you |
| 15:17.39 | simNIX | and add backports debian repository |
| 15:17.52 | simNIX | and off top head add flash-plugin-nonfree |
| 15:18.00 | dhblewis | Hi, I am trying to downgrade from mysql 5.1 to 5.0 and get this error message -> http://pastebin.com/d12a147b2 |
| 15:18.06 | maligor | unless you really know what you're doing, don't use ubuntu packages in debian |
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| 15:18.16 | simNIX | for next time remeber; dont break Debian with Ubuntu ;0) |
| 15:18.27 | simNIX | gotta go shopping - laterzzz |
| 15:18.29 | haxi | maligor: I didn't noticed that it was an ubuntu package |
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| 15:18.42 | simNIX | undertandable cavacat |
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| 15:19.17 | maligor | haxi, well, put the error on a pastebin |
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| 15:19.17 | abrotman | haxi: put the error in a pastebin |
| 15:19.25 | haxi | I would like, but it's in french ;P |
| 15:19.43 | haxi | how can I turn aptitude to english-speakin? :-° |
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| 15:20.08 | simNIX | goog one ... |
| 15:20.13 | simNIX | *good |
| 15:20.21 | patrikf | haxi: LANG=C aptitude |
| 15:20.56 | haxi | great, I'm pastebin'in |
| 15:21.07 | haxi | http://pastebin.com/m60dc7d2 |
| 15:21.33 | sircrazy | I am trying to add the repositroy that would have the GDM, KDE, and xfce files. I am believing this is not by default in the sources.list, there is only updates and volatile. the packages were located on the cd-rom before. my google-fu must be on the fritz as i can find how to add repositories, but no links to the actual repositories for packages. Am I going about this the wrong way? |
| 15:21.38 | zeta3 | is there a quick way to figure out my screen resolutoin |
| 15:21.42 | haxi | reinstall: http://pastebin.com/m7c223d35 |
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| 15:22.10 | stew | sircrazy: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 15:22.32 | mamalujo | hi! hm, does someone use the irssi-otr package? It doesnt seem to do anything at all, perhaps I'm using it wrong? the help says mearely to load the module w /load otr and then type ?OTR? in the chat with someone. Then ?OTR? again after some key-whatevers have been generated? Well, the module says its loaded. yet nothing at all happens on ?OTR? Im using it over bitlbee.. |
| 15:22.46 | haxi | maligor: any idea? |
| 15:23.21 | shona | hi, i seem to have screwed up system, .. dpkg --configure -a returns "can't create temporary cache file .. Read only system .." also, libaudiofile seems to be not being picked up and i now have no network, please help |
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| 15:24.21 | haxi | abrotman? ^^ |
| 15:24.52 | abrotman | haxi: apt-cache policy adobe-flashplugin |
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| 15:25.25 | haxi | http://pastebin.com/m1b512651 |
| 15:25.26 | haxi | :-' |
| 15:26.08 | Torry | excuse me. My CPU is Intel Xeon 5405. which version for it? |
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| 15:26.37 | sircrazy | stew: Gratz. life saver! |
| 15:26.37 | Torry | AMD64 or IA64? |
| 15:26.37 | jair | I am using "mdadm" and noticed that my "/dev/md1" = swap partition shows this ----> md1 : active (auto-read-only) raid1 hde2[0] hdg2[1] |
| 15:26.45 | stew | Torry: amd64 or i386, not ia64 |
| 15:27.05 | Torry | Thank you, stew |
| 15:27.12 | PointMan | um how can I install the console version of emacs? Ive tried aptitude -R install emacs, but I still get it |
| 15:27.13 | mamalujo | Id note that I had no more luck w bitlbee-otr either, I got the otr related commands in it, but all claimed that it was compiled w/o otr support. but this isnt pakaged by debian so.. |
| 15:27.19 | jair | all the other partitions show md0 : active raid1 hde1[0] hdg1[1] which looks right to me, with the raid actived and synced. any idea does anyone use raid1 on the channel? |
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| 15:28.07 | shona | also running dpkg --configure returns: dpkg uable to access dpkg status area; Read-only file system |
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| 15:28.23 | shona | any ideas, any one? |
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| 15:30.21 | jelly-home | !any ideas |
| 15:30.21 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of herring, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen three-legged hamsters. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 15:30.40 | haxi | abrotman: see, I can't do anything http://pastebin.com/m37bc76a6 |
| 15:31.10 | jelly-home | shona: you probably have an error in the filesystem, it has detected it and remounted itself read-only to prevent further corruption |
| 15:31.20 | shona | thanks jelly sadly alllergic to herring |
| 15:31.37 | jelly-home | shona: inspect your dmesg output for errors |
| 15:31.55 | shona | jelly-home: thank you, looking throught the logs now |
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| 15:32.42 | ottoshmidt | I was running Debian on Vbox (XP host) when my pc self-restarted and now I can't load Debian in GUI (guess it's crashed) I got this "aptitude error while loading shared: Cannot load shared libraries: libz.so.1: open shared object file: no such file or directory" |
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| 15:32.59 | ottoshmidt | is there a way to recover? |
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| 15:34.07 | reeeeeesty | i just switched distros currently to debian... i love it so far. but i cant find anywhere how to stop running daemons, or restart, or start |
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| 15:34.35 | reeeeeesty | and where the rc.conf is |
| 15:34.36 | shona | jelly-home: just rebooting looks like something went funny, busybox tellling me to run fsck manually, thank you |
| 15:34.48 | Alam_Lenny | reeeeeesty, /etc/init.d/NAME start|stop|reload|force-reload|force-restart |
| 15:34.58 | abrotman | haxi: apt-cache policy adobe-flashplugin |
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| 15:35.12 | abrotman | haxi: what does `uname -a` say ? |
| 15:35.14 | haxi | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m1b512651 |
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| 15:35.18 | madAdam | Right |
| 15:35.22 | madAdam | #proftpd is boring |
| 15:35.23 | madAdam | ^__^ |
| 15:35.24 | haxi | Linux home.debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:35.35 | abrotman | haxi: why are you installing ubuntu package on debian ? |
| 15:35.45 | haxi | well |
| 15:35.47 | jelly-home | abrotman: it's fun. |
| 15:35.49 | madAdam | How can I change the default directory to /var/www/ |
| 15:35.51 | reeeeeesty | alright, thanks alam |
| 15:35.56 | haxi | adobe proposed me a .deb, I thought it was for debi |
| 15:36.15 | haxi | but I finaly noticed, after fail-install, that it was for hardy.. |
| 15:36.25 | jelly-home | haxi: they made it for Ubuntu. There are 0 guarantees it will not eat your cat. |
| 15:36.35 | abrotman | haxi: dpkg -P adobe-flashplugin |
| 15:36.50 | abrotman | madAdam: did you read *any* documentation? |
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| 15:37.03 | jelly-home | (that said, I have it installed and it works ;-) |
| 15:37.07 | haxi | http://pastebin.com/m1b5b58b8 |
| 15:37.11 | haxi | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m1b5b58b8 |
| 15:37.17 | madAdam | Yes |
| 15:37.27 | haxi | :/ |
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| 15:38.07 | jelly-home | ottoshmidt: install the package manually with dpkg? |
| 15:38.22 | ottoshmidt | dpkg and name of file? |
| 15:38.23 | dpkg | i don't know, ottoshmidt |
| 15:39.03 | ottoshmidt | jelly-home, ? |
| 15:39.11 | jelly-home | ottoshmidt: well. Download the package that's supposed to contain /usr/lib/libz.so.1, and install it with dpkg -i |
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| 15:39.13 | madAdam | This is so annoying |
| 15:40.12 | ottoshmidt | jelly-home, and which is supposed to contain it... might be it's better to reinstall debian? |
| 15:40.32 | jelly-home | ottoshmidt: which filesystem are you using? |
| 15:40.43 | ottoshmidt | on VBOX? |
| 15:40.57 | madAdam | Please someone tell me how to change my users rights |
| 15:41.00 | dhblewis | Hi, I am trying to downgrade from mysql 5.1 to 5.0 and get this error message -> http://pastebin.com/d12a147b2 |
| 15:41.05 | madAdam | So I can write to /var/www/ |
| 15:41.09 | jelly-home | ottoshmidt: on the debian machine; files in general don't just disappear after a crash. |
| 15:41.11 | haxi | abrotman: this is pain :/ |
| 15:41.21 | ottoshmidt | jelly-home, not sure but a Default one I guess |
| 15:41.49 | jelly-home | madAdam: add yourself to the www-data group |
| 15:42.29 | ottoshmidt | and I had to run fsck manually as well, Kernel had Panic and hardly managed to load it (but only in CLI) |
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| 15:43.38 | madAdam | I just logged on and chmod -R 777 /var/www/ in terminal |
| 15:43.41 | madAdam | Seemed to fix it |
| 15:44.00 | jelly-home | madAdam: that's a very bad idea. |
| 15:44.09 | madAdam | Why? |
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| 15:44.17 | jelly-home | madAdam: /msg dpkg permissions |
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| 15:44.23 | jair | madAdam: are you familiar with mdadm at all ? just a funny questions since you have that nickname? |
| 15:44.36 | jelly-home | madAdam: you need to understand what that command does. |
| 15:44.52 | madAdam | What does adding myself to that group do? |
| 15:44.59 | jelly-home | ottoshmidt: this all might point to hardware problems, too |
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| 15:45.28 | ottoshmidt | jelly-home, guess so, after all its virtual one, but |
| 15:45.30 | jelly-home | ottoshmidt: that is, it would if this weren't a vm |
| 15:45.40 | ottoshmidt | home directories and files are retained as I see |
| 15:45.55 | madAdam | jelly-home how would I undo that chmod command then? |
| 15:46.01 | madAdam | And what does it do? |
| 15:46.07 | madAdam | That I wouldn't want it to |
| 15:46.13 | jelly-home | madAdam: in general, you can't undo it. |
| 15:46.27 | madAdam | It's on my own pc, does it really matter? |
| 15:46.44 | madAdam | It's only /var/www/ what can be done? |
| 15:46.46 | jelly-home | madAdam: if it doesn't matter, why run a web server at all |
| 15:46.50 | yoshio | ottoshmidt: zlib1g contains the libz.so.1 file |
| 15:47.06 | madAdam | I don't understand how it is bad |
| 15:47.24 | jelly-home | madAdam: have you read those permissions docs yet? |
| 15:47.37 | ottoshmidt | Yondering, the problem is that libz.so.. isn't the only one missing, |
| 15:48.04 | ottoshmidt | libncairo ( or something is missing as well) and who knows what else |
| 15:48.16 | ottoshmidt | so going to reinstall without formatting |
| 15:48.23 | madAdam | jelly-home, no they are massive |
| 15:48.34 | madAdam | Why can't you just state what is bad about that command |
| 15:48.36 | jelly-home | ottoshmidt: eh, in that case, if you don't care about the OS, you might as well reinstall |
| 15:48.42 | madAdam | As opposed to what you suggested? |
| 15:49.09 | jelly-home | I won't bother explaining when it's already been said otherwhere |
| 15:49.49 | jelly-home | in short, you gave anyone permissions to do anything, madAdam |
| 15:50.02 | madAdam | Okay so in future |
| 15:50.05 | madAdam | I should do what? |
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| 15:50.17 | jelly-home | you should RTFM |
| 15:50.39 | jelly-home | ... just to understand what you're doing. |
| 15:51.12 | madAdam | ¬_¬ |
| 15:51.34 | jelly-home | !be a reading barbie |
| 15:51.34 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly-home |
| 15:51.59 | jelly-home | dpkg: that's sexist! |
| 15:52.00 | dpkg | no idea, jelly-home |
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| 15:52.11 | madAdam | bots are retarded? |
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| 15:53.32 | MarcWeber | hark thx. got it. |
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| 15:55.35 | jelly-home | On some systems (including Debian with coreutils version 6.0 or higher), the chmod command will not clear the setuid and setgid bits from a directory when using the octal mode. # wtf |
| 15:55.43 | zeta3 | which program can view bmp files? |
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| 15:56.27 | hoxu | !search |
| 15:56.28 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking. Eg, 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install) 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online), and <help find> (bot). <dpkg search> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 15:56.52 | disturbedmime | zeta3: i suppose you can use cat |
| 15:57.11 | disturbedmime | zeta3: if you want to look at it in human-readable form though, go with gimp |
| 15:57.32 | disturbedmime | whatever your preference is |
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| 15:58.22 | Qew | haxi: if you can't get a solution and are desperate, then do dpkg --purge --force-all adobe-flashplugin (however, this is a sledgehammer approach and might cause other issues, so be warned) |
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| 15:58.54 | haxi | Qew: ok, thanks I'll try that, anyway I was about to reinstall. |
| 15:59.01 | Qew | heh, ok |
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| 16:01.22 | jelly-home | zeta3: of the random sampling of image viewers I have installed, all three do bmps: gliv, qiv, xv |
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| 16:01.39 | jelly-home | probably many other image viewers do |
| 16:01.49 | penguin_ | How come I am running version 3 of Samba? |
| 16:02.08 | penguin_ | I do not understand how Debian upgrades. |
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| 16:02.48 | jelly-home | judd: versions samba4 |
| 16:02.49 | judd | jelly-home: samba4 -- experimental: 4.0.0~alpha7~20090225-1 |
| 16:03.00 | haxi | Qew: oww, this seems to have resolved my problem, thanks a lot :) |
| 16:03.06 | jelly-home | penguin_: which samba version did you expect? |
| 16:03.28 | Qew | ah, good. Just hope it hasn't cause any other issues, but it probably is OK to use. |
| 16:03.51 | Qew | sort of a sledgehammer approach that you should do as a last resort sort of thing. |
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| 16:05.08 | penguin_ | Isnt there a version 4? |
| 16:05.24 | penguin_ | WHich version should I expect? |
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| 16:05.45 | yoshio | !tell penguin_ about upgrade |
| 16:05.58 | penguin_ | I just did an upgrade |
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| 16:08.08 | yoshio | penguin_: I'm on Squeeze Testing - I've got 3.3.4-1 of Samba |
| 16:08.25 | jelly-home | penguin_: as judd says above, samba v4 is only in experimental |
| 16:08.33 | themill | penguin_: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 16:08.56 | jelly-home | themill: whatever... woody - squeeze, it's all samba 3.x |
| 16:09.06 | jelly-home | er - sid |
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| 16:09.17 | themill | jelly-home: yes, but a stable user shouldn't expect to see new packages |
| 16:09.48 | themill | jelly-home: [17:02] <penguin_> I do not understand how Debian upgrades. |
| 16:10.09 | themill | samba 4 isn't even released yet is it? |
| 16:10.10 | penguin_ | I have 3.3.4 also |
| 16:10.16 | penguin_ | I guess I am up to date |
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| 16:10.41 | jelly-home | themill: I think it will hit lwn and /. when it's released, so it's probably not ;-) |
| 16:10.59 | themill | along with Duke Nukem Forever and hurd? |
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| 16:11.17 | jelly-home | well, the samba team still exists. |
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| 16:11.35 | jelly-home | themill: btw you forgot Perl 6 |
| 16:11.41 | themill | of course |
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| 16:14.45 | abrotman | haxi: did you get it? |
| 16:14.52 | haxi | yep. |
| 16:15.01 | haxi | dpkg --purge --force-all adobe-flashplugin did the trick |
| 16:15.01 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up --force-all adobe-flashplugin did the trick all over haxi and subcritical... |
| 16:15.02 | abrotman | forcing is bad .. but wathever |
| 16:15.07 | haxi | yeah |
| 16:15.17 | alexidoia | hi there, IÂ am attempting to customise my keyboard layout, there is a char that IÂ would like to include, I know how to do it but IÂ don't know what is the "name" of my character, all I know is its unicode U+2026 HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS |
| 16:15.20 | haxi | what's the name of a correct flashplugin btw? :p |
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| 16:16.33 | patrikf | alexidoia: you can just use the character itself I guess... from my .XCompose: <Multi_key> <period> <space> : "â¦" U2027 # HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS |
| 16:17.14 | themill | dpkg: tell haxi about adobe flash |
| 16:17.22 | haxi | thx |
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| 16:17.45 | alexidoia | All right, I don't use .XCompose, -although IÂ should- but IÂ am directly using the symbols map files in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ |
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| 16:18.58 | jelly-home | â® |
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| 16:22.37 | alexidoia | patrikf: your composition is the compose key, the period key and the space key ? Am IÂ right ? |
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| 16:24.36 | patrikf | alexidoia: yeah |
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| 16:34.17 | PointMan | um im missing brctl, which package do I need to apt-get to install it? |
| 16:34.35 | patrikf | !pdo |
| 16:34.35 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 16:34.40 | jelly-home | PointMan: bridge-utils |
| 16:34.43 | PointMan | th |
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| 16:34.45 | PointMan | ty |
| 16:35.03 | jelly-home | and that pdo thing. |
| 16:35.08 | sepult | \ââ78956/*-+ |
| 16:35.12 | sepult | uups |
| 16:35.14 | sepult | sorry |
| 16:35.26 | jelly-home | uuddlrlrababss |
| 16:35.40 | sepult | i don't get the arrows somehow |
| 16:35.46 | jelly-home | ââ? |
| 16:35.49 | sepult | jep |
| 16:35.55 | jelly-home | work-for-me |
| 16:35.57 | sepult | i instead see boxes |
| 16:36.12 | jelly-home | possibly your choice of font |
| 16:36.16 | sepult | oh, maybe i have to enable utf8 |
| 16:36.48 | sepult | no it's enabled |
| 16:36.55 | sepult | jep font's maybe |
| 16:37.20 | adb | !tell sepult about enter |
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| 16:42.25 | PointMan | im installing a new server to use with xen. I have raid 1 on it with LVM on / , is that ok? |
| 16:43.40 | jelly-home | as long as /boot isn't on lvm |
| 16:44.18 | jelly-home | if you don't have a separate /boot and you wish to have root on lvm, you'll need grub2 (grub-pc package) |
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| 16:44.50 | reeeeeesty | i need to use gcc-4.1 to run the nvidia-kernel-compiler.... so i installed the "gcc-4.1" package instead of the gcc package which is v4.3. But when i run the compiler, it says i dont have gcc. Is the 4.1 package not come with dependencies or something? |
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| 16:45.35 | lxsameer | is there any documentation about how dpkg or apt manage a repository? |
| 16:45.38 | jelly-home | reeeeeesty: is build-essential installed? |
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| 16:46.12 | reeeeeesty | i just installed it... aftr you said that. |
| 16:46.14 | reeeeeesty | what is it? |
| 16:46.26 | reeeeeesty | oh |
| 16:46.28 | nsadmin | ypu probably need most of build-essential to build kernels and modules |
| 16:46.30 | reeeeeesty | it comes with 4.3 as well |
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| 16:46.54 | reeeeeesty | so should i remove gcc? and install 4.1 again? but with build essentials |
| 16:46.57 | nsadmin | try gcc-4.1 --version |
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| 16:51.29 | jhambo | So I'm trying to install openoffice 3.0 from lenny backports. In synaptic, I select the openoffice package and do "force version" to select 3.0. But for all the dependencies it marks the 2.4.1 verison. How can I get it to install the 3.0 version properly? |
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| 16:54.14 | hetOrakel | hi, The following packages have been kept back: tzdata, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 16:54.23 | hetOrakel | what should i do? |
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| 16:56.27 | jair | jelly-home: I subscribed to their mailing list http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-raid but for some reason I amd trying to send the email to: linux-raid at vger.kernel.org and I keep getting "Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently" |
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| 16:56.35 | hark | !tell hetOrakel about kept back |
| 16:56.52 | jair | jelly-home: any suggestions, does it take sometime for "majordomo" to accept me on the mail list? |
| 16:57.19 | jair | jelly-home: I knoe this does not have anything to do with debian but it is just a general question =) |
| 16:58.09 | jelly-home | jair: I thought kernel lists were named like linux-raid@kernel.org (not vger.kernel.org) |
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| 16:59.13 | jhambo | do I have to manually select all the openoffice 3 packages I want. I'm woried that synaptic isn't handling the dependencies properly for the backport... |
| 16:59.34 | hark | jhambo: don't know about synaptic but you can probably use aptitude to install them |
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| 17:01.58 | jair | jelly-home: I will try that then :( |
| 17:02.28 | Phlogi | nidias: huhu |
| 17:02.55 | hetOrakel | hark: it shows me libc6: Conflicts: tzdata-etch, when i try to install libc6 it says it's the latest version |
| 17:03.11 | PointMan | if I need to reinstall debian, i just put in the install cd and give it a go? the installer will overwrite the grub (the bootloader) ? |
| 17:03.17 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: which debian release are you using? |
| 17:03.56 | hetOrakel | 5 |
| 17:04.19 | sllide | i'm searching for an HTML editor with design mode |
| 17:04.24 | hark | hetOrakel: /msg dpkg bat |
| 17:04.32 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libc6 tzdata tzdata-etch, please |
| 17:04.37 | nkuttler | sllide: what's design mode? |
| 17:04.49 | sllide | editing the site in preview mode |
| 17:04.52 | sllide | something like that |
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| 17:05.04 | sllide | non source view |
| 17:05.05 | sllide | xD |
| 17:05.13 | jelly-home | hark: why is that factoid called "bat"? |
| 17:05.14 | zeta3 | sigh I can't find SDL_draw.h anywhere |
| 17:05.15 | zeta3 | wtf |
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| 17:05.32 | jelly-home | !literal bat |
| 17:05.32 | amitz | how to display per core load of "top"? |
| 17:05.32 | dpkg | "bat" is "<reply> see basic apt-get troubleshooting" |
| 17:05.36 | hark | jelly-home: basic apt troubleshooting ;) |
| 17:05.43 | jelly-home | thanks, dpkg, hark |
| 17:05.48 | nkuttler | sllide: that's just wrong... try #html maybe |
| 17:05.59 | nkuttler | sllide: or use that mozilla based thing |
| 17:06.06 | sllide | mozilla based thing? |
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| 17:06.10 | jelly-home | zeta3: use packages.debian.org, or /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 17:06.31 | bmoll8 | i am trying to run a command using aptitude that will deleat all packages with 'gnome' as a substring. How can I do this |
| 17:06.32 | hark | sllide: firebug |
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| 17:06.39 | zeta3 | jelly-home, I did |
| 17:06.43 | zeta3 | I couldn't find it |
| 17:06.56 | jelly-home | dpkg: find /SDL_draw.h |
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| 17:07.00 | sllide | k |
| 17:07.01 | hark | bmoll8: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 17:07.01 | bmoll8 | I can obviously use synaptic, but i'd like to do it from the command line; something like 'sudo dpkg --get-selections | xargs purge' |
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| 17:07.13 | hetOrakel | hark: jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/38637/ |
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| 17:07.26 | bmoll8 | hark: wow, that was nice; I love this chat room |
| 17:07.43 | zeta3 | if debian doesn't have it I'd have to compile it manually myself |
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| 17:08.09 | dhblewis | i am still having lots of trouble with mysql and debian http://pastebin.com/mc8ecb00 |
| 17:08.15 | jhambo | so I try to install openoffice.org from lenny-backports using aptitude and I get "No solutions found in the alloted time". It seems I can't install openoffice 3 on lenny... :( |
| 17:08.21 | lupine_86 | has lots of trouble with mysql, full stop |
| 17:09.16 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: you have an etch-volatile repo enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:09.41 | hark | jhambo: aptitude install -t lenny-backports openoffice.org ? |
| 17:09.47 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: replace etch with lenny, do an update |
| 17:10.04 | bmoll8 | hark: my shell doesn't seem to recognize globbing for aptitude; how can I enable this |
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| 17:10.09 | bmoll8 | hark: I am using zsh |
| 17:12.18 | bmoll8 | i wish I had gone the route of using stable and then using backports |
| 17:12.24 | jhambo | hark: okay that works a little better than `aptitude install openoffice.org/lenny-backports` but I still get "score is 118" |
| 17:12.27 | bmoll8 | by the time I had found out about it, I was already using testing |
| 17:13.00 | bmoll8 | then again, I am running kde4, which is testing or sid only--i'm surprised how well it's been working |
| 17:13.12 | hetOrakel | hark and jelly-home thx a lot, it's fixed now |
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| 17:14.00 | macrobat | what determins the score for aptitude? |
| 17:15.14 | kurt_h | x.org/dvorak issue: i just upgraded a bunch of my xorg-server packages, and from my research i gather x is now using "hal" for keyboard configuration instead of xorg.conf, which means its ignoring my request for a dvorak layout. does anyone know how i can configure hal to tell x to use a dvorak layout? |
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| 17:16.48 | hark | bmoll8: try apt-get remove libgnome2-\* libbonobo2-\* liborbit2\* libgnomeui\* libgnomevfs2-\* |
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| 17:17.28 | SeveredCross | Hey guys, where's the applet that lets you set which mixer channels are controlled by the multimedia buttons? |
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| 17:18.22 | hark | jhambo: you do have lenny sources as well? what's the error, pastebin it |
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| 17:21.11 | zeta3 | I can't find SDL_draw |
| 17:21.13 | zeta3 | sigh |
| 17:21.21 | zeta3 | why is this so difficult |
| 17:21.28 | zeta3 | spendign the past 30 minutes trying to find a single package |
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| 17:23.01 | nkuttler | zeta3: what's that supposed to be? |
| 17:23.11 | hark | dhblewis: /msg dpkg bat |
| 17:23.13 | zeta3 | it has a routine that lets me draw circles |
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| 17:23.42 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 17:23.47 | dhblewis | hark what do you mean? |
| 17:23.50 | hark | dhblewis: also pastebin aptitude install mysql-client-5.0 |
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| 17:24.16 | nkuttler | zeta3: what's 'it'? there no file with that name in debian. |
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| 17:25.20 | zeta3 | http://sdl-draw.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:25.59 | nkuttler | zeta3: um, looks like that was updated six years ago.. |
| 17:26.35 | zeta3 | ... |
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| 17:26.53 | hark | kurt_h: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 17:26.55 | nkuttler | zeta3: and maybe nobody packaged it |
| 17:26.59 | hark | !... |
| 17:26.59 | dpkg | hark: what?! |
| 17:27.11 | nkuttler | zeta3: i'd try the dsl dev channel if there is such a thing |
| 17:27.15 | nkuttler | sdl even |
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| 17:29.53 | abrotman | it's #SDL |
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| 17:30.08 | straszheim | i'm building packages for some physics stuff, for historical reasons the stuff gets installed to /nonstandard/path |
| 17:30.20 | straszheim | that stuff isn't appearing in the .debs |
| 17:30.39 | kurt_h | hark: thanks |
| 17:30.47 | straszheim | looking at the various .install and .dirs files in unpacked-tarball-version/debian |
| 17:30.57 | neko__ | o: |
| 17:31.13 | straszheim | do I need to tell some script that /nonstandard/path is ok? |
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| 17:33.31 | dondelelcaro | straszheim: fix the install to install it to a proper location, like debian/tmp and then use dh_install to install it into the appropriate package directory |
| 17:33.44 | dondelelcaro | straszheim: or just use debian/foopkgname if you only have a single binary package |
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| 17:34.06 | straszheim | it's installing to debian/tmp/nonstandard/path via DESTDIR correctly |
| 17:34.44 | dondelelcaro | straszheim: then you should fix whatever /nonstandard/path is to be the proper paths |
| 17:35.32 | straszheim | this isn't intended for upstream... it is for a small group of people, needs to be at /nonstandard/path |
| 17:35.47 | jelly-home | straszheim: but really, whatever path you put in a package under debian/tmp/ or wherever will just work, dpkg doesn't care |
| 17:36.02 | sparr | When I start some fullscreen apps/games, one of which I am certain uses 800x600, my monitor goes to "Signal out of range" and shuts off. "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr" from a console reports that it is still in my default 1280x1024@50Hz. killing the program has no effect. ctrl+alt+plus/minus has no effect before or after killing the program. "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 2" results in X crashing. Help? |
| 17:36.58 | straszheim | jelly-home: yeah, i'd assumed that however things were laid out under debian/tmp would just make it in to the .deb and you'd be done, but only usr/lib/* (standard layout) stuff is making it |
| 17:37.31 | dondelelcaro | straszheim: put your debian/rules up somewhere |
| 17:38.38 | straszheim | thanks in advance for having a look: http://pastie.org/507495 |
| 17:38.53 | straszheim | this is basically just what dh_make generated |
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| 17:41.07 | straszheim | so the only differences from the default dh_make generated file are some --includedir and --libdirs flags to ./configure, and a tweak of a header path after make install is done |
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| 17:44.26 | dhblewis | how do i delete .deb files in terminal.(from var/cache/apt? |
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| 17:44.53 | Qew | aptitude clean or apt-get clean |
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| 17:48.13 | StuckMojo | anyone remember me from last week? |
| 17:48.22 | StuckMojo | i was running apache 1.3... |
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| 17:49.09 | CcK | Hi, it's the first time i'm installing apache2 on debian ( i used to compile it on slackware ) and i wanted to keep my config files, but i discovered that debian's config files are just a giant maze! i thought about just tossing it and putting mine back, but there may be a reason for it, so i am asking, why does apache2 has so many files, what's up with the module.load instead of putting everything in http.conf ? and with the vhost ? |
| 17:49.17 | dondelelcaro | straszheim: that all looks reasonable; uncomment the DH_VERBOSE and rebuild the deb to see what it's doing |
| 17:49.29 | StuckMojo | anyway, i came in to ask about where to find a changelog for something, and you turned me on to reportbug...which recommended apt-listbugs |
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| 17:49.35 | StuckMojo | awesome stuff. |
| 17:49.39 | dondelelcaro | CcK: the point is that you can trivially enable and disable modules and sites without mucking with the main config file |
| 17:49.48 | SeveredCross | Can someone help me link two mixer channels together to be controlled by the media buttons? |
| 17:49.49 | StuckMojo | thanks. i'm not sure how i got by without it running sid for 4 or 5 years now |
| 17:49.54 | SeveredCross | I cannot figure out how to do it for the life of me. |
| 17:50.05 | dondelelcaro | CcK: it's actually pretty dang simple; the main apache config file includes everything in conf.d, sites-enabled and modules-enabled |
| 17:50.20 | CcK | i've figured that out, but why so many files ? |
| 17:50.24 | themill | CcK: it makes maintaining the config file much easier over time. /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
| 17:50.42 | CcK | ok i'll read that |
| 17:50.54 | CcK | if i put my "old" config in there i will have issues later ? |
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| 17:51.06 | CcK | i mean while upgrading or something like that ? |
| 17:51.10 | dondelelcaro | CcK: yes |
| 17:51.26 | CcK | ok, thanks |
| 17:51.28 | dondelelcaro | CcK: primarily because you'll have to deal with personally enabling and disabling modules and doing anything else |
| 17:51.37 | themill | CcK: it will make it harder for packages to auto-configure for apache too (e.g. php drops a config snippet into mods-available and all is ready to go) |
| 17:51.39 | CcK | i'm kinda used to do that |
| 17:51.47 | CcK | oh ok |
| 17:51.55 | dondelelcaro | CcK: well, you can still do it, but you're going to work a lot harder than you need to |
| 17:52.06 | CcK | i'm new to the wole apt-get concept, still discovering |
| 17:52.33 | themill | CcK: chopping up the config file into discrete parts (e.g. one per vhost, one per module...) has a lot of advantages for finding the relevant bit of config too. |
| 17:53.31 | CcK | ok, i'll stick to the debian way, after all if i want to try i should try it 100% |
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| 17:54.47 | straszheim | dondelelcaro: thanks... looks like i toggled something; I uncommented the dh_install line and now am getting some complaints: E: log4cplus-dev: dir-or-file-in-opt opt/i3/ |
| 17:54.58 | CcK | another question, i want mod_security and mod_evasive, i'm not sure, but tey don't seem to be available in packages, are they ? |
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| 17:56.36 | themill | dpkg: tell CcK about mod_security |
| 17:56.59 | CcK | thks |
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| 17:57.27 | CcK | works with mod_evasive ? :p |
| 17:57.34 | EugenMayer | how would i configure ripperx to use musicbrainz? |
| 17:57.50 | jelly-home | CcK: mod_security cannot be distributed by Debian, but is not too hard to install from source |
| 17:57.59 | themill | dpkg, mod_security is also (the module cannot be legally distributed in binary form due to a conflict between its licence and apache's) |
| 17:57.59 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 17:58.17 | dondelelcaro | CcK: libapache2-mod-evasive is in Debian |
| 17:58.18 | jelly-home | "its"... say it's the GPL virus! |
| 17:58.24 | CcK | oh great ! |
| 17:59.09 | dondelelcaro | CcK: and libapache-mod-security is in testing and unstable; I don't know if it still has the GPL issue |
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| 17:59.46 | themill | wonders why it's not libapache2-mod-security |
| 18:00.07 | dondelelcaro | themill: #516540 |
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| 18:00.47 | CcK | that's always impressive to apt-get something and 5 secs later it's installed, i'll get used to that fast ! :D |
| 18:00.48 | themill | dondelelcaro: now has a GPL exception and a copyright file from hell http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/liba/libapache-mod-security/libapache-mod-security_2.5.9-1/libapache-mod-security.copyright |
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| 18:02.13 | joe-mac | how do people automate resigning their Release files when they push new packages to their repos? |
| 18:02.17 | themill | dpkg, no, mod_security is a nice method of securing apache. See http://www.linux-mag.com/2003-02/diy_01.html for some brief instructions. It was removed from Debian due to bug #352344 (the module cannot be legally distributed in binary form due to a licence conflict) but is now back in Debian squeeze and later as libapache=mod-security. |
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| 18:02.17 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 18:02.32 | themill | oh so much fail |
| 18:02.52 | themill | dpkg, mod_security =~ s/=/-/ |
| 18:02.52 | dpkg | themill: OK |
| 18:02.59 | Debtisgoodforyou | "Not started internet superserver" - What does that mean? |
| 18:03.07 | Debtisgoodforyou | dmesg |
| 18:03.13 | joe-mac | i can't figure if gpg-agent does some kind of forwarding like ssh-agent... |
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| 18:05.37 | uprope | Debtisgoodforyou: it means your inetd is not starting |
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| 18:06.22 | CcK | themill: debian squeeze is the next version ? |
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| 18:08.19 | StuckMojo | themill: it was you! |
| 18:09.21 | StuckMojo | themill: wanted to say thanks for pointing me towareds reportbug, which recommended apt-listbugs. i don't know how i managed to run sid for like 5 years without them |
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| 18:09.52 | StuckMojo | themill: no more apt-get update = busted system |
| 18:10.15 | StuckMojo | anyway, thanks. |
| 18:10.16 | PointMan | i get an error when i do a reboot about lvm not being able to deactivate one one of my logical groups..ideas? |
| 18:10.20 | StuckMojo | heads off to lunch... |
| 18:10.42 | patrikf | PointMan: don't worry about that, you probably have your root directory on that partition |
| 18:10.57 | PointMan | i do |
| 18:11.11 | PointMan | so how is that worrying? |
| 18:11.23 | PointMan | its in red text! ;-) |
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| 18:12.05 | patrikf | PointMan: not at all. the kernel will safely shut it down later, just not when the shutdown scripts try to do it. it has to happen after everything else has terminated, so you don't see a message. |
| 18:12.06 | dustybin | what do you people call your desktop computers at home, workstations? dev boxes? or just desktops? |
| 18:12.30 | jelly-home | dustybin: mine's called a laptop. |
| 18:12.32 | eth01 | workstations are more a corporate term |
| 18:12.38 | PointMan | i call mine a mac |
| 18:12.38 | dustybin | i see |
| 18:12.44 | dustybin | what is a dev box? |
| 18:12.48 | patrikf | "computer" |
| 18:12.52 | dustybin | ok |
| 18:12.55 | eth01 | dev box would be something possibly used for testing |
| 18:12.56 | jelly-home | "machine" |
| 18:13.02 | StuckMojo | dustybin: desktop |
| 18:13.05 | dustybin | interesting |
| 18:13.06 | StuckMojo | dustybin: or box |
| 18:13.08 | patrikf | or, in a more affectionate manner, I'll call it by its hostname. ;-) |
| 18:13.09 | eth01 | desktop sounds reasonable. usually. |
| 18:13.09 | jelly-home | !polls |
| 18:13.10 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 18:13.36 | dustybin | there are soo many possibilites on doing things in the linux world that it does my head in |
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| 18:14.09 | xNinja | hello |
| 18:14.14 | sllide | how do i add fonts to use with gimp? |
| 18:14.19 | xNinja | which is better to use mepis or debian ? |
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| 18:14.38 | dondelelcaro | xNinja: you're in #debian, so... Debian. |
| 18:14.43 | StuckMojo | xNinja: seeing as you're in #debian, i wonder what answer you'll get? |
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| 18:15.06 | xNinja | if i am not wrong mepis is based on debian |
| 18:15.54 | StuckMojo | l8rz. thanks. |
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| 18:16.08 | sllide | ? |
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| 18:17.12 | dkr | !tell sllide about fonts |
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| 18:18.32 | WormFood | dustybin, no different from other things in the real world |
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| 18:21.17 | m_dige | hi guys. I never did a dist-upgrade thingy when lenny became stable. I only use testing. So I am wondering whether is should do an upgrade if I only use testing. Any advice? |
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| 18:22.25 | m_dige | I might add that I have made the changes to sources.list some time ago. But never performed the dist-upgrade |
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| 18:22.58 | p4tr0p1 | anybody knows how to make syslog shows all logged lines, and don't hide some repeated msgs with lines "last message repeated X times"??? |
| 18:23.05 | p4tr0p1 | anyone?? |
| 18:23.16 | xNinja | hello |
| 18:23.24 | xNinja | ops ive said it before :P |
| 18:23.32 | p4tr0p1 | xNinja, hello |
| 18:23.47 | xNinja | so is debian as good or better than ubuntu in hardware detection ? |
| 18:24.01 | sllide | i dont understand a thing xD |
| 18:24.04 | p4tr0p1 | it depends |
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| 18:25.27 | p4tr0p1 | xNinja, ubuntu detects more hardware because it has experimental and unstable modules and packets |
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| 18:26.26 | EugenMayer | are there any id3 servers beside freedb and musicbraniz? |
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| 18:26.30 | p4tr0p1 | but what debian detects is using stable modules and packets, that will make it never stops or crashes |
| 18:26.35 | EugenMayer | *musicbrainz |
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| 18:29.34 | xNinja | p4tr0p1: i see but i am thinking to format this box and install debian...which one is good for desktop now ? new packages and stabkle |
| 18:29.36 | xNinja | stable |
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| 18:30.24 | p4tr0p1 | depends on what hardware you got |
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| 18:30.52 | TUplink | im trying to apt-get install mysql-client and get Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/m/mysql-dfsg/libmysqlclient12_4.0.24-10sarge3_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.250 80] |
| 18:30.55 | TUplink | any ideas? |
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| 18:32.03 | ph|ber | hey guys.. anyone know how to remount / in rw, after errors without rebooting? i tried -o rw,remount |
| 18:32.19 | simNIX | I just aptitude update and it also hangs at security.debian.org ... |
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| 18:32.30 | simNIX | mount -o rw / |
| 18:32.40 | nkuttler | ph|ber: remount,rw works for me... not sure if order is important |
| 18:32.45 | simNIX | (if im not mistaken) |
| 18:32.53 | nkuttler | ph|ber: check dmesg and /var/log/messages for other reasons |
| 18:32.54 | ph|ber | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.55 | ph|ber | mount: according to mtab, /dev/mapper/aragorn-root is already mounted on / |
| 18:33.04 | ph|ber | its read-only.. no logs |
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| 18:33.28 | ph|ber | mount -o rw,remount / |
| 18:33.28 | ph|ber | mount: block device /dev/mapper/aragorn-root is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 18:33.29 | TUplink | anyone know how i can upgrade mysql-client |
| 18:33.55 | nkuttler | ph|ber: check dmesg and /var/log/messages for other reasons |
| 18:34.10 | nkuttler | TUplink: upgrade from what to what? |
| 18:34.16 | ph|ber | this on the remount for dmesg EXT3-fs error (device dm-0): ext3_remount: Abort forced by user |
| 18:34.23 | TUplink | idk..... it tells me Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/m/mysql-dfsg/libmysqlclient12_4.0.24-10sarge3_i386.deb |
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| 18:34.43 | nkuttler | ph|ber: fs error sounds bad. fsck? |
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| 18:34.59 | tux1337 | TUplink: do you tried apt-get update before? |
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| 18:35.10 | TUplink | yup |
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| 18:35.20 | TUplink | i get some bad 404Å |
| 18:35.22 | xNinja | is there big different between 32/64 bit ? i mean in speed ? and what about packages |
| 18:35.24 | nkuttler | TUplink: which debian release? |
| 18:35.33 | TUplink | Failed to fetch http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/sarge/non-US/contrib/binary-i386/Release Could not resolve 'non-us.debian.org |
| 18:35.40 | mamalujo | so, how much of an 'adventure' is using mostly sid? :) |
| 18:35.42 | TUplink | i guess sarge |
| 18:35.49 | ph|ber | i cant reboot this box right now. |
| 18:35.49 | TUplink | im new to Debian |
| 18:35.54 | TUplink | use to Ubuntu |
| 18:36.04 | nkuttler | TUplink: you're mixing oldstable with stable security. bad. |
| 18:36.04 | TUplink | trying to get mythtv on my XBOX..... |
| 18:36.19 | TUplink | um.... this is what how it came |
| 18:36.23 | nkuttler | TUplink: sarge... even older |
| 18:36.36 | nkuttler | TUplink: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 18:36.38 | TUplink | i try to mysql to me server and it says no authentacation protocol suported |
| 18:36.40 | nkuttler | TUplink: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 18:36.48 | tux1337 | TUplink: but your network works? |
| 18:36.51 | TUplink | Failed to fetch http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/sarge/non-US/contrib/binary-i386/Release Could not resolve 'non-us.debian.org |
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| 18:37.17 | nkuttler | TUplink: your system is terribly outdated |
| 18:37.38 | TUplink | LOL i know i have to use Kernel 2.4 to support XFS |
| 18:37.43 | TUplink | FatX* |
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| 18:38.07 | nkuttler | TUplink: there's no support for sarge any more |
| 18:38.34 | nkuttler | TUplink: non-us doesn't exist any more. you should at least upgrade to etch |
| 18:38.53 | tux1337 | TUplink: or better to lenny |
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| 18:39.05 | nkuttler | does lenny still support 2.4? |
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| 18:39.25 | wadmurr | What do i need to append to /etc/apache2/envvars to umask apache2 to 002? |
| 18:39.44 | tux1337 | nkuttler: I guess no, but why he needs 2.4? |
| 18:39.45 | TUplink | can i just manualy install mysql client? |
| 18:39.45 | wadmurr | export APACHE_UMASK=002 ? |
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| 18:39.57 | jelly-home | TUplink: what's FatX? |
| 18:40.02 | ph|ber | any ideas? |
| 18:40.05 | ph|ber | anyone? |
| 18:40.09 | Hydroxide | nkuttler: I don't think so. it's possible the release notes say otherwise - you can check that at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes |
| 18:40.14 | TUplink | its the filesystem Xbox uses |
| 18:40.28 | TUplink | 2.6 wont support it |
| 18:40.30 | Assid | ~itsp-us |
| 18:40.32 | TUplink | alredy tryed |
| 18:41.13 | WormFood | what? Linux supports xbox file system |
| 18:41.15 | jelly-home | TUplink: oh, weird hardware |
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| 18:41.39 | nkuttler | TUplink: xebian? |
| 18:41.39 | WormFood | maybe have to install a module, but i've used Linux to read/write the xbox hard drive |
| 18:41.48 | WormFood | that is what I used nkuttler |
| 18:41.56 | nkuttler | !xebian |
| 18:41.57 | dpkg | [xebian] a GNU/Linux distribution - based on Debian <Sarge> - for the Microsoft Xbox video game console. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xebian #xbox-linux on irc.oftc.net. See also <based on Debian> and <stable sources.list>. |
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| 18:42.24 | sllide | everything i draw in gimp is grey :/ |
| 18:42.32 | TUplink | yea xebian |
| 18:42.39 | nkuttler | sllide: buy a color monitor? |
| 18:42.47 | Ircismymanual | How do I share out a directory in Samba? What do I edit in smb.conf? |
| 18:42.49 | p4tr0p1 | TUplink, there is some repositories to etch on debian.org that still working |
| 18:43.00 | sllide | funny >.< |
| 18:43.02 | nkuttler | Ircismymanual: the docs at samba.org are great |
| 18:43.09 | Ircismymanual | IRC is better. |
| 18:43.30 | nkuttler | Ircismymanual: oh, you want to be spoon-fed. good luck. |
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| 18:44.48 | sllide | how can i use colors in gimp? xD |
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| 18:44.48 | sllide | stupid grey stuff |
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| 18:44.48 | Ircismymanual | Long winded documentation is a thing of the past. I use Twitter, so I can't read words with more than three letters. Plus, I'm the entitlement generation, so I want to be spoon-fed, yes. |
| 18:44.48 | nkuttler | sllide: you click on the box with the fg/bg color |
| 18:44.49 | Ircismymanual | Just kidding, I'll read the documentation. |
| 18:44.49 | Ircismymanual | goes to samba.org to RTFM |
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| 18:44.52 | sllide | nkuttler i'm not dumb |
| 18:44.56 | sllide | i choose red |
| 18:44.58 | p4tr0p1 | anybody knows how to make syslog shows all logged lines, and don't hide some repeated msgs with lines "last message repeated X times"??? |
| 18:45.01 | sllide | it shows grey |
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| 18:45.52 | disturbedmime | step 1: man pages step 2: rtfm step 3: google step 4: ask intelligent, specific question regarding configuration directives not directly covered in steps 1-3 |
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| 18:46.09 | nkuttler | step 0: google smart questions |
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| 18:46.52 | uprope | blahblahblah |
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| 18:49.38 | zak_ | how to format an external hard disk |
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| 18:50.32 | zak_ | how to format an external hard disk (flashpen) |
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| 18:50.51 | joltcan | zak_: make sure you know the dev, then mkfs.ext3 (or whatever fs) /dev/sdfoo |
| 18:51.00 | p4tr0p1 | drop it on the sea |
| 18:51.04 | module000 | zak_: find the dev with dmesg |
| 18:51.15 | zak_ | but what command shall i use |
| 18:51.25 | module000 | zak_: joltcan just typed it for you |
| 18:51.38 | dhblewis | hi, i really need someone to help me. as i cant get mysql to work. It comes up Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0_5.0.51a-24+lenny1_amd64.deb |
| 18:51.40 | uprope | zak_ probably mkfs.vfat |
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| 18:52.33 | nkuttler | !tell dhblewis about errors |
| 18:52.35 | zak_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:53.00 | zak_ | it is ''/dev/sdd1'' |
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| 18:53.51 | module000 | zak_: mkfs.vat /dev/sdd1 |
| 18:53.58 | module000 | zak_: *vfat not vat |
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| 18:55.44 | dhblewis | this is the error message http://pastebin.com/d604a81f8 |
| 18:56.04 | CcK | is it possible that the apache2 package has an error ? i've got it pretty much stock and the serverroot is /etc/apache2 but the errorlog is /var/log/apache2/error.log, if i look in /var/log/apache2/error.log, i've got this: apache2: could not open error log file /etc/apache2/logs/error.log. |
| 18:56.04 | CcK | Unable to open logs |
| 18:56.46 | \amethyst | CcK: do you have an ErrorLog entry in your apache2.conf ? |
| 18:56.53 | \amethyst | s/entry/directive/ |
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| 18:57.44 | CcK | \Amethyst: yes /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 18:57.46 | uprope | dhblewis: have you tried to uninstall the current version you have installed? |
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| 18:58.15 | Dave | Debian <3 |
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| 18:58.24 | \amethyst | CcK: what about httpd.conf and the files in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled ? |
| 18:58.31 | CcK | httpd.conf is empty |
| 18:58.36 | \amethyst | as it should be |
| 18:58.51 | CcK | i've only changed two files, looking at them |
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| 18:59.21 | CcK | i've got directives like that in my virtual hosts |
| 18:59.22 | CcK | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:59.34 | CcK | i guess i have to precise the complete path |
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| 19:00.26 | TheInfinity | hello ... i get an permission denied at /dev/fuse if i try to mount an sshfs volume as root. why ... ? |
| 19:00.35 | Dave | LOL ._. |
| 19:00.36 | Dave | <dpkg> are you using Windows?, Dave |
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| 19:00.51 | Bryanstein | is away: |
| 19:01.12 | dhblewis | uprope yes. I have uninstalled it and reinstalled it again but now getting that error message |
| 19:01.20 | joltcan | CcK: put them into /var/log/apache2/error.log or something like that |
| 19:01.37 | Bryanstein | is back (gone 00:00:30) |
| 19:01.38 | CcK | joltcan: i did it works now, i didn't think of that |
| 19:01.52 | joltcan | CcK: Did you copy some example or something? |
| 19:02.01 | CcK | i have many things to change from my old config to the new one :/ |
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| 19:02.28 | \amethyst | TheInfinity: you get the error when you try to mount? What are the permissions on /dev/fuse ? |
| 19:03.04 | TheInfinity | \amethyst: exacly. sshfs foo@faa.de:/srv/backup/vps /media/backup/ as root |
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| 19:03.26 | CcK | joltcan: no, i had a config on a compiled apache2, so now everything is different, and i have to change everything to "debian style apache2" |
| 19:03.52 | TheInfinity | \amethyst: crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2009-06-10 18:29 /dev/fuse |
| 19:03.54 | joltcan | CcK: Ah, I see |
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| 19:04.18 | joltcan | CcK: Couldn't you just make some debian-style sites-enabled and leave everything as is? |
| 19:04.37 | CcK | that's what i was doing |
| 19:04.52 | CcK | joltcan: except that in my virtualhosts i had those logs/error.log :D |
| 19:05.04 | jamey | hello, say for instance you get a deb package, is there a check that you can use to see what architechures it supports? |
| 19:05.27 | jleedev | dpkg --info |
| 19:05.27 | dpkg | jleedev: i haven't a clue |
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| 19:05.49 | jamey | thanks jleedev |
| 19:05.53 | abrotman | jamey: usually it's in the filename |
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| 19:06.03 | TheInfinity | \amethyst: i dont know if its important - its an virtual private server where i try to mount |
| 19:06.06 | abrotman | though i guess someone could rename it |
| 19:06.06 | Ragnar | Hey |
| 19:06.08 | jleedev | dpkg -f foo.deb architecture |
| 19:06.08 | dpkg | jleedev: i haven't a clue |
| 19:06.20 | \amethyst | TheInfinity: does the mount fail? |
| 19:06.21 | Ragnar | has anyone successfully installed debian on ML110G5 with RAID? |
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| 19:06.40 | TheInfinity | \amethyst: yes |
| 19:06.55 | \amethyst | hm, what version of fuse and sshfs ? |
| 19:06.55 | abrotman | Ragnar: not you? |
| 19:06.56 | TheInfinity | \amethyst: > fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 19:07.05 | TheInfinity | \amethyst: debian etch versions |
| 19:07.07 | Ragnar | abrotman: obviously? |
| 19:07.22 | \amethyst | TheInfinity: oh, a VPS... maybe they don't give you access to fuse |
| 19:07.34 | \amethyst | TheInfinity: can you use any fuse filesystems as any user? |
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| 19:08.27 | Daviey | TheInfinity: in which case, switch VPS providers :) |
| 19:09.32 | hjb | hmm, i always forget to *not* halt but hibernate my system after a kernel update |
| 19:09.45 | hjb | with the result that the hibernate image could not be read at boot time |
| 19:09.56 | Daviey | Ragnar: whilst offtopic, I have installed Ubuntu on ML110G5 - i have one next to me now. If it works on the brown one, can't see why it wouldn't on debian |
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| 19:10.15 | Daviey | Ragnar: mdad raid |
| 19:10.16 | hjb | anyone has ever thought about implementing some system that refuses hibernation after a kernel update? |
| 19:10.34 | Ragnar | hm odd. |
| 19:10.37 | hjb | i think that would be really useful |
| 19:10.53 | Ragnar | ubuntu finds my raid, thought, is unable to write to it, claims its a defect filesystem. |
| 19:11.06 | Daviey | Ragnar: :S |
| 19:11.06 | disturbedmime | who does unattended kernel updates where hibernation would be a problem? |
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| 19:11.19 | jleedev | ubuntu users ;-p |
| 19:11.27 | Daviey | :o |
| 19:11.42 | jleedev | oh, i'm new here. is that considered trolling? |
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| 19:11.47 | grul | -/w 4 |
| 19:11.48 | THZone | W: GPG error: http://download.webmin.com sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY D97A3AE911F63C51 |
| 19:11.51 | THZone | How do I fix this? |
| 19:11.56 | hjb | i'm not using ubuntu and i do not do unattended kernel updates |
| 19:11.56 | disturbedmime | jleedev: sounds about right :-D |
| 19:12.05 | bob__ | . |
| 19:12.06 | THZone | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 19:12.08 | THZone | that, too |
| 19:12.15 | hjb | it's just that i'm soo used to hibernate that i forget to not do it after kernel update |
| 19:12.18 | PointMan | how do I delete a lvm logical volume? |
| 19:12.19 | Daviey | TheInfinity: you need to import the public key |
| 19:12.27 | Daviey | err TheInfinity |
| 19:12.34 | Daviey | THZone: double fail |
| 19:12.41 | jleedev | hjb: exactly. at the very least, a relentless nag screen would be beneficial for this use case |
| 19:12.44 | THZone | Daviey: how? hehe |
| 19:12.59 | hjb | but especially if someone is using automated unattended kernel updates, such a system preventing hibernation afterwards would be useful |
| 19:13.23 | Ragnar | Daviey: yeh. thought this is dmraid. |
| 19:13.32 | hjb | jleedev: ack |
| 19:13.41 | Daviey | THZone: gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 16BA136C |
| 19:13.43 | Daviey | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.06 | hjb | in fact i never experienced data loss, but that might be possible, i think |
| 19:14.10 | THZone | k, did that.. |
| 19:14.18 | Daviey | Ragnar: or wget -O - http://backports.org/debian/archive.key | apt-key add - |
| 19:14.21 | THZone | and still getting the webmin error |
| 19:14.35 | Daviey | webmin.. eek, can't help with that |
| 19:14.45 | Daviey | s/can\'t/won\'t/ |
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| 19:15.37 | THZone | gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 11F63C51 |
| 19:15.39 | THZone | I did that :) |
| 19:15.41 | Ragnar | Daviey: did you build your raid before installing, or are you simply running software raid? |
| 19:15.41 | THZone | and it worked. |
| 19:15.43 | Qew | THZone: do aptitude search ~nkeyring and see if it finds a package that goes along the lines of webmin-keyring or whatever |
| 19:15.46 | THZone | thank toy |
| 19:16.00 | Daviey | Ragnar: as part of debian installer |
| 19:16.45 | THZone | thank you* |
| 19:16.49 | Qew | THZone: then if it finds a package, do aptitude install <whatever you found> |
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| 19:17.34 | THZone | I just wish webmin had a channel here, heh |
| 19:17.53 | abrotman | wishes webmin would just go away |
| 19:17.56 | jelly-home | !webmin |
| 19:17.57 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 19:18.01 | hjb | THZone: there's no channel for webmin? i can't believe that :) |
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| 19:18.31 | eth01`` | webmin |
| 19:18.33 | eth01`` | ew |
| 19:18.34 | jelly-home | abrotman: perhaps they've cleaned up the code over the years! |
| 19:18.50 | eth01`` | vomits. |
| 19:18.53 | abrotman | or maybe it got worse ... |
| 19:19.11 | jelly-home | the idea is good, but the implementation, well, leaves something to be desired |
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| 19:19.33 | hjb | if that's true, why hasen't someone implemented it in a better way? |
| 19:19.56 | disturbedmime | they did, its call CLI |
| 19:19.59 | abrotman | the people with the skills to write don't need it? :) |
| 19:20.01 | renton_ | hello on squeeze what's the right package to enable 3d desktop effects |
| 19:20.08 | abrotman | renton_: which video card? |
| 19:20.29 | renton_ | VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] |
| 19:20.30 | jelly-home | hjb: because it's a hard problem. There are control panels that do subsets of the functionality, but bring their own well-tested versions of all the software. |
| 19:20.42 | abrotman | renton_: you should already have that in lenny and higher |
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| 19:22.01 | renton_ | i'm not very expert on my office laptop i've a mobile ATI that has lot of problem with opensource drivers, so i've not those desktop effects, i wished to give them a try at home on my old desktop pc |
| 19:22.36 | hjb | jelly-home: maybe it's just not *that* good idea to do a catch-all solution |
| 19:22.50 | renton_ | lsmod | grep radeon radeon 118912 2 |
| 19:23.36 | jelly-home | hjb: that seems to have been proven empirically |
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| 19:24.20 | renton_ | my old radeon 9600 seems to like more the opensource driver than my mobile ati on my office laptop |
| 19:24.42 | hjb | jelly-home: true. problem is that there're always people asking for such a solution |
| 19:24.59 | renton_ | glxgears gives 2208.139 FPS |
| 19:25.03 | hjb | jelly-home: and they tend to be hard to convice about it's not a working solution |
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| 19:25.06 | dec3pti0n | hmm do you guys know how to make an io scheduler persist on only one device drive after a reboot ? |
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| 19:25.47 | dec3pti0n | I know setting the elevaotr=deadline on grub file but that is for the whole system |
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| 19:30.34 | Ab3le | hello |
| 19:31.51 | Ab3le | how do i forward incoming connections to a server in a lan using iptables ? thank you |
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| 19:32.17 | Ab3le | practically i need to map port 8080 to 192.168.1.26 on the lan |
| 19:32.33 | jelly-home | dec3pti0n: a custom init script? |
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| 19:32.58 | renton_ | abrotman: i'm sorry if you say 3d effects are automaticcaly installed, which is the command to enabled them |
| 19:33.01 | jelly-home | wishes sysctl edited settings in /sys ;-) |
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| 19:34.28 | ranix | renton_: I have FGLRX enabled with acceleration on a 9200 |
| 19:34.39 | ranix | renton_: and I get 940-970 FPS |
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| 19:35.07 | ranix | renton_: I have a p4. so if you're getting over 2000, you either certainly have acceleration or you have one hell of a bitchin' processor |
| 19:35.23 | abrotman | renton_: which video driver are you using? the 'radeon' driver should provide you with accelerated 3d |
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| 19:35.40 | renton_ | ranix: i wished to try desktop 3d effects, those things that were called "beryl", "fusion", "compiz" and 1000 of other names.. but i've no idea what's their package name on debian |
| 19:35.50 | ranix | apt-cache search compiz |
| 19:36.09 | ranix | renton_: everyone tries it out eventually and decides it's kind of a waste of time |
| 19:36.13 | abrotman | oh .. that's different than having accelerated 3d |
| 19:36.16 | renton_ | abrotnam: i'm using radeon drivers and glxgears says 2200 fps |
| 19:36.24 | abrotman | sounds good to me |
| 19:36.31 | abrotman | renton_: yu just want to install the compiz stuff |
| 19:36.35 | ranix | renton_: for a quick and easy desktop, try out xfce4 and enable the compositing |
| 19:36.41 | nobody316 | hello. i am looking for a package from a bug report but I can find it nowhere. can anybody tell me where i can download the .deb from bug #228388 ?? |
| 19:36.46 | ranix | it won't give you a cube with fckin' fish in it |
| 19:36.58 | ranix | but it will do compositing and transparency and drop shadows |
| 19:37.12 | renton_ | ranix: i agree for most of the effects are very useless, few of them are useful, like watching all the 4 desktop at same time, or watching all the windows at the same time |
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| 19:37.33 | abrotman | nobody316: you realize that bug is from 2004 ? |
| 19:37.51 | abrotman | nobody316: and fixed since 2007 |
| 19:37.55 | Ghandi | Pentium 4 can't even handle two Debian GNU/Linux guests on a Windows XP host... sad. |
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| 19:38.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 19:38.14 | ranix | Ghandi: you said windows xp host |
| 19:38.15 | nobody316 | abrotman: well, this bug reports lists a newer version than the one from ETCH, which i am running |
| 19:38.15 | abrotman | Ghandi: who is to blame? :) |
| 19:38.28 | ranix | Ghandi: I don't think computers work the way you think they do |
| 19:38.31 | Ghandi | Probably Sun |
| 19:38.44 | abrotman | nobody316: right .. etch was released before it was fixed .. why aren't you on lenny yet? |
| 19:38.53 | jelly-home | Ghandi: idle instances of Debian? RAM should be a critical resource, not CPU> |
| 19:38.59 | abrotman | !tell nobody316 about bpo |
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| 19:39.09 | abrotman | nobody316: there's an updated duplicity package there |
| 19:39.09 | nobody316 | abrotman: because i got paid for the installation, not for upgrading |
| 19:39.34 | abrotman | nobody316: well .. that's a wonderful way to look at it .. etch security support will probably end in less than a year |
| 19:39.51 | jelly-home | abrotman: that's customer's problem, not his! |
| 19:39.56 | nobody316 | abrotman: that's a classic O.P.P ;-) |
| 19:40.04 | jelly-home | see |
| 19:40.06 | abrotman | yeah .. it's a better way to get paid .. be lazy and wait for stuff to break ... |
| 19:40.12 | nobody316 | i checked backports but i will check again |
| 19:40.22 | abrotman | judd: versions duplicity |
| 19:40.22 | jelly-home | "scheduled breakage in 9 months" |
| 19:40.24 | judd | abrotman: duplicity -- etch: 0.4.2-10.1 lenny: 0.4.11-2 etch-backports: 0.5.06-2~bpo40+1 sid: 0.5.16-1 squeeze: 0.5.16-1 |
| 19:40.28 | abrotman | yay! |
| 19:40.28 | Ghandi | The second instance of Debian Linux in Virtualbox was crashing with kernel panics at boot. |
| 19:40.46 | ranix | abrotman: if an upgrade is more expensive than a fix and you tell the customer to get an upgrade |
| 19:40.51 | ranix | abrotman: and they tell you they want a fix |
| 19:41.11 | ranix | abrotman: this is the time to wait for it to break so you can double-bill and say "I told you so" |
| 19:41.11 | jelly-home | Ghandi: I blame your choice of host os and virtualization tech. :-) |
| 19:41.20 | abrotman | ranix: nice and honest .. i see |
| 19:41.27 | jelly-home | Ghandi: but srsly, try #vbox |
| 19:41.51 | nobody316 | abrotman: thank you. i didn't see that bpo-search defaults to lenny now :-/ |
| 19:42.00 | ranix | it's 100% of the time better to tell the customer what they need and then do otherwise when told than it is to argue with the customer |
| 19:42.09 | ranix | 100% |
| 19:42.15 | nobody316 | i wouldn't have a problem doing the upgrade |
| 19:42.28 | abrotman | nobody316: for reference .. packages.debian.org/duplicity shows etch-backports |
| 19:42.30 | nobody316 | but if i break something while upgrading i get the blame and no money |
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| 19:42.46 | nkuttler | nobody316: no, you fix the breakage and bill extra... |
| 19:42.57 | abrotman | that's awful |
| 19:43.02 | renton_ | i've compiz-gnome, compiz-core, compiz installed, what should i run to easily enable/disable the effects? :) |
| 19:43.07 | nobody316 | i won't even get a budget for upgrading in the first place |
| 19:43.09 | simonrvn | nobody316: excluding some old crap i did, etch=>lenny was flawless |
| 19:43.18 | \amethyst | Ghandi: what was the kernel panic about exactly? |
| 19:43.25 | nkuttler | nobody316: oh well, then build or get a backport |
| 19:43.34 | ranix | bpo should be fine for this |
| 19:43.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, you only ever figure that out AFTER the upgrade |
| 19:43.46 | ranix | and then you don't get paid to upgrade later |
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| 19:44.32 | nobody316 | yes, i will go with backports. that's a decent fix |
| 19:44.36 | renton_ | i.e. i wish to align all my 4 desktop in a single screen, or i wish to put all my windows resized and visible on the screen |
| 19:44.39 | nobody316 | thank you for your help :-) |
| 19:44.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course using backported packages will make problems at the later upgrade more likely :) |
| 19:44.56 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: bpo is usually quite decent in that regard |
| 19:45.08 | ranix | I haven't had a problems with a few of the sid backports I run |
| 19:45.11 | nkuttler | keep list of backports, uninstall, upgrade, install current version |
| 19:45.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, you're using not-so-often-trodden paths |
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| 19:49.12 | firecrotch | I have a Debian lenny machine behind Microsoft ISA firewall that blocks all HTTP traffic. I connect to the remote network via a pptp vpn and can then ssh into my machine to perform administrative tasks. Since HTTP traffic is blocked, I can't access the debian repositories. I need to install several packages that probably have many dependencies (firefox and its dependencies such as gtk) so downloading the packages locally and scp-in |
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| 19:50.50 | StuckMojo | is there a way to get apt to tell you why a package was "held back"? |
| 19:50.57 | StuckMojo | er.. kept back |
| 19:51.02 | TheInfinity | \amethyst: curlftpfs also does not work, same error :/ |
| 19:51.09 | firecrotch | Also I should mention that I can ssh TO the remote machines, but cannot ssh OUT from them |
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| 19:51.47 | StuckMojo | nevermind |
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| 19:51.54 | renton_ | uhm looks like xgl is not available on debian |
| 19:52.05 | disturbedmime | firecrotch: why not pick a debian mirror, punch a hole in the ISA server for http to one IP, and save yourself a lot of headache? |
| 19:52.53 | hjb | renton_: maybe because xgl is dead now? |
| 19:53.01 | firecrotch | disturbedmime: Not my ISA server, and trying to get them to do it... well, it would be faster for me to type in the source code by hand on all the machines and compile it all myself. |
| 19:53.02 | disturbedmime | otherwise you should be able to do apt-cache showpkg <pkg> to figure out all the dependencies |
| 19:53.02 | ranix | aiglx |
| 19:53.06 | ranix | !aiglx |
| 19:53.07 | dpkg | [aiglx] an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia drivers ( Under load ). Don't use it if you want to get work done. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
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| 19:53.43 | renton_ | aiglx is ok with radeon driver? |
| 19:53.54 | jelly-home | renton_: yes. |
| 19:53.55 | ranix | don't use it if you want to get work done |
| 19:54.05 | disturbedmime | firecrotch: ahh that makes it problematic, can't remember if there is a way to pull a deep dependency tree through apt, but i know you can at least get a single level of dependencies |
| 19:54.26 | firecrotch | disturbedmime: thanks |
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| 19:54.43 | dhblewis | is there a way to reboot vps using terminal? |
| 19:54.44 | renton_ | i'm really confused |
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| 19:55.46 | renton_ | apt-cache search aiglx doesn't find anything |
| 19:56.01 | renton_ | apt-cat search fglrx finds many packages |
| 19:56.39 | jelly-home | renton_: aiglx is a feature of xorg, it's already there |
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| 19:57.41 | renton_ | jelly-home: i'm very sorry for the stupid question, but is there any configuration panel for compiz and related stuff from gnome? |
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| 20:00.03 | Phlogi | renton_: no, why? |
| 20:00.07 | Selveste1 | renton_: Now there is only compiz-icon - try #compiz |
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| 20:00.22 | dhblewis | hi, everyone. i am really stuck on debian. I have messe up my mysql and have been trying to fix it for ages now. it is on a vps. is there a way to default back to 'factory' settings? i.e uninstall all packages? |
| 20:00.54 | jelly-home | renton_: no idea there, I thought compiz had its own ccsm config tool |
| 20:01.05 | jamon | compizconfig-backend-gconf ? |
| 20:01.34 | renton_ | cool i lost my windows decorations :D |
| 20:02.21 | Selveste1 | Is there online here that have an stun running with asterisk ? |
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| 20:10.19 | smacnay | ok, seems my old desktop motherboard is done and I am now officially shopping for a modest laptop that Debian will run on... anyone wish to make a recommendation? |
| 20:10.39 | bolt | old ibm's, perhaps? |
| 20:10.42 | bolt | rock solid thingw |
| 20:10.44 | bolt | s |
| 20:10.48 | smacnay | not bleeding edge... |
| 20:10.49 | bolt | at least in my experience |
| 20:10.55 | smacnay | bolt: the thinkpads? |
| 20:10.59 | bolt | yeh |
| 20:11.04 | zaggynl | ol' dell? |
| 20:11.22 | smacnay | zaggynl: which series? |
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| 20:11.34 | zaggynl | uh I have a dell cpts600 |
| 20:11.38 | zaggynl | about 10 years old |
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| 20:12.03 | smacnay | how about refurbished? |
| 20:12.18 | abrotman | thinkwiki.org is a pretty useful site .. |
| 20:12.19 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 20:12.20 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <suspend>. See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 20:12.58 | dhblewis | ..also what is the default sources.list ?? |
| 20:13.08 | abrotman | man sources.list |
| 20:13.16 | abrotman | !tell dhblewis about sources.list |
| 20:13.18 | bolt | dhblewis: whatever you selected at install time. or like abrotman said |
| 20:13.40 | smacnay | abrotman: thanks |
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| 20:14.32 | abrotman | smacnay: FWIW .. i have a thinkpad from about 2004 .. and i believe everything except the winmodem is supported OOTB |
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| 20:14.51 | dhblewis | abrotman/bolt thanks |
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| 20:14.59 | smacnay | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:15.02 | obcecado | that linux-laptop page is very interesting, i really liked the feedback on support of compal fl90 |
| 20:15.06 | abrotman | (though i should point out that it was all supported OOTB except the broadcom NIC in 2004) |
| 20:15.18 | khaije | ddsdf |
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| 20:15.56 | smacnay | abrotman: modems are not really an issue with me anymore... my hylafax server is on an old desktop in the basement and I never dial in |
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| 20:16.15 | abrotman | i'm just saying if you need it .. i'm sure the modem wroks, but i haven't used it in ages |
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| 20:17.11 | khaije | have i been gigo'ing the chan? if so sorry bout that |
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| 20:20.54 | dhblewis | i really really need help. im about to lose it. i have debian on vps. i have an apache server but cant get php or mysql working. -->http://pastebin.com/d16905121 |
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| 20:23.17 | dhblewis | i realise the above was a bit rude. its just i am really stressed out! any help would be really appreciated! |
| 20:23.24 | Megaf | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 20:23.24 | Megaf | kernel? |
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| 20:23.44 | Megaf | uname -r |
| 20:23.45 | Megaf | 2.6.29-2-686 |
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| 20:23.48 | bolt | Megaf: install the kernel headers for your running kernel |
| 20:24.00 | bolt | linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 20:24.01 | bolt | methinks |
| 20:25.08 | dhblewis | or if someone could tell me how to restore to default. i just need help really really bady. |
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| 20:25.30 | dyek | Hi! How do I force reinstall a debian package so that all files *already installed* on the system by the package are *replaced* with the original versions? |
| 20:25.41 | bolt | dhblewis: try completely uninstalling your previous one instead of replacing it, perhaps. (back up your config files) |
| 20:25.49 | \amethyst | dyek: including configuration files? |
| 20:25.50 | bolt | dhblewis: not the machine, mind you, php5-mysql |
| 20:25.56 | devhell | hi, does someone know what package is needed to mount iso9660? I get: mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660' |
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| 20:26.25 | dhblewis | bolt how do i completely uninstall it. I have used sudo apt-get uninstall php5-mysql |
| 20:26.27 | dyek | \amethyst: Configuration files can spare -- remain. I want executable files fresh. |
| 20:26.28 | Megaf | bolt, already installed |
| 20:26.46 | bolt | Megaf: then /usr/src/ somethingsomething. look in there |
| 20:26.50 | \amethyst | dyek: aptitude reinstall package or apt-get --reinstall install package |
| 20:26.56 | bolt | dhblewis: apt-get remove --purge php5-mysql |
| 20:27.26 | Megaf | so, /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.29-2-686/include/ |
| 20:27.41 | dyek | \amethyst: That was easy enough! Thank you! (I only looked at dpkg manpage earlier.) |
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| 20:28.01 | \amethyst | dyek: if you have the .deb, dpkg -i will do it |
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| 20:28.24 | devhell | I'm rather surprised, I never encountered that message before and thought that the kernel handles it.. |
| 20:28.37 | dyek | \amethyst: Would it complain that the package was already install? |
| 20:28.39 | Anne84 | Does anyone know something about the ARMEL installation of debian on a NSLU2 device |
| 20:28.41 | Anne84 | ? |
| 20:28.41 | Megaf | bolt, http://pastebin.com/m5aace471 |
| 20:29.20 | \amethyst | dyek: dpkg won't |
| 20:29.40 | ubsafder | is there an installer fNSLU2 one ? |
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| 20:30.04 | dyek | \amethyst: Thanks! |
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| 20:30.24 | ubsafder | is there an debian installe for WL-500gp ? |
| 20:30.37 | dhblewis | bolt i still get the same error message |
| 20:30.43 | devhell | guys? mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660' |
| 20:31.24 | adb | mount -o loop ? |
| 20:31.57 | devhell | adb: nah.. it's a real cd.. and a working one too.. |
| 20:32.07 | Anne84 | ubsafder: Don't know, the first google hit was "DO NOT BUY!!" |
| 20:32.11 | ubsafder | Anne84: i did an install with etch it went very well on my NSLU2a while back |
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| 20:32.36 | Anne84 | ubsafder: I did to, but when I tried yesterday, it could not connect to any mirror |
| 20:33.57 | adb | devhell: mount /media/cdrom ? |
| 20:34.25 | devhell | adb: yes.. and then I get mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660' |
| 20:34.30 | HardDisk_WP | !experimental |
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| 20:34.31 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 20:34.50 | dhblewis | guys. i know i am being selfish. but i really need help with this 3 days with one problem, and i am paying a developer per day and he hasn't done any work in 3 days and then i am really stressed so please |
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| 20:35.52 | HardDisk_WP | Anne84, yep |
| 20:36.04 | HardDisk_WP | Anne84, /query me, I have a NSLU2 with debian |
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| 20:36.11 | ab3l_ | hi |
| 20:36.26 | ab3l_ | is something wrong in this rule ? iptables -A FORWARD -i ppp0 -o eth0 -p tcp -d 192.168.1.16 --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 20:36.26 | ab3l_ | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i ppp0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.16:80 |
| 20:36.50 | Anne84 | HardDisk_WP: I had one too, but I mistakely reinstalled the installer on it, and now It cannot connect to any mirror for installation |
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| 20:37.25 | HardDisk_WP | Anne84, maybe because you fucked up the Network config section in the Flash |
| 20:37.32 | HardDisk_WP | Anne84, re-install original firmware |
| 20:37.37 | HardDisk_WP | correct your network settings there |
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| 20:37.47 | HardDisk_WP | then, re-run the installer |
| 20:37.50 | Anne84 | HardDisk_WP: I can still SSH into IT, so the network works |
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| 20:38.09 | ubsafder | Anne84: the miror may have change to lenny |
| 20:38.12 | HardDisk_WP | Anne84, uh... okay. you run the latest installer? |
| 20:38.15 | HardDisk_WP | or an older one? |
| 20:38.22 | HardDisk_WP | if "older" then get a new one |
| 20:38.44 | Anne84 | HardDisk_WP: Just downloaded it, not the original debian installer, but the unofficial with networksupport |
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| 20:39.22 | HardDisk_WP | Anne84, then... do you have an email addy? I'll search if I find a working-for-sure one |
| 20:39.40 | JimCramer | Does Samba run as root on Debian? |
| 20:39.46 | Anne84 | NSLU2@solcon.nl |
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| 20:41.19 | \amethyst | JimCramer: yes |
| 20:41.50 | Anne84 | HardDisk_WP: Meanwhile, I'm going to try if the normal PC installation does work... if not either something is wrong with my internet (sudenly a proxy), or something is wrong with debian ;) |
| 20:42.19 | \amethyst | JimCramer: when you connect as a particular user, the handling smbd instance does a setuid to that user |
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| 20:45.23 | HardDisk_WP | Anne84, kk |
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| 20:45.37 | zepho | hi, i'm trying to compile a program, complains about 'cannot compile c programs' at configure; i tried a small program, it compiles, but when i try to run it, bash says 'permission denied' (permissions are ok). any ideas? |
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| 20:45.55 | JPT | mhh |
| 20:45.55 | adb | devhell: dpkg -l libiso9660-5 ? |
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| 20:46.09 | kornholi | zepho: chmod +x program? |
| 20:46.12 | kornholi | err |
| 20:46.13 | kornholi | no idea |
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| 20:46.44 | delaman | my server ssh session keeps logging me off after im idle, i dont want that. what do i need to change so that it does not log me out of my SSH session? |
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| 20:46.57 | kornholi | most ssh clients have a keepalive |
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| 20:47.01 | kornholi | use it |
| 20:47.12 | dacs | Howdy folkd, i am running into an issue, I am trying to install an application and even thu it i choose the linux version it still download a .exe file extention, can someone help me please? |
| 20:47.32 | delaman | kornholi: so its on my computer not the server, correct? |
| 20:47.40 | kornholi | delaman: yes |
| 20:47.45 | zepho | hm, must be the directory, when i move the a.out to /tmp it works, strange... will keep trying :) |
| 20:47.46 | \amethyst | dacs: what does the program 'file' say about it? file filename.exe |
| 20:47.53 | delaman | kornholi: thanks |
| 20:47.55 | kornholi | delaman: what are you using? putty? |
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| 20:48.05 | delaman | kornholi: no, openssh |
| 20:48.19 | kornholi | hmm |
| 20:48.25 | dacs | \amethyst: i don;t understand your question? |
| 20:48.56 | adb | run > file filename.exe |
| 20:49.05 | \amethyst | dacs: you have an exe file, right? at the command line, type file whateveritis.exe |
| 20:49.11 | kornholi | delaman: you also can look into ClientAliveInterval |
| 20:49.16 | delaman | kornholi: also my sshfs session logs off too |
| 20:49.36 | kornholi | then try ClientAliveInterval on the server:P |
| 20:49.41 | zepho | kornholi: i just configured it in a different dir, works now. strange though (permissions of old dir are also ok) |
| 20:49.53 | \amethyst | dacs: it should say something about either ELF or PE32 |
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| 20:50.09 | kornholi | zepho: happens :/ |
| 20:50.11 | \amethyst | dacs: and will include the target operating system |
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| 20:50.29 | dacs | \amethyst: 1 sec |
| 20:50.35 | kornholi | zepho: I had to relogin for it to mystically work one time, lol |
| 20:50.42 | kornholi | kept getting permission denied for no reason |
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| 20:50.58 | \amethyst | dacs: e.g. "Windows/ViewKeyXP.exe: PE32 executable for MS Windows (GUI) Intel 80386 32-bit" or "really_unix.exe: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped" |
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| 20:51.49 | dacs | \amethyst: VisualDialplanProfessional-2.3.00-Linux-x86-Install: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1, statically linked, stripped |
| 20:52.02 | \amethyst | dacs: so it's really a Linux executable |
| 20:52.09 | \amethyst | dacs: I don't see an .exe in the filename |
| 20:52.46 | \amethyst | dacs: to run it you can do: ./VisualDialplanProfessional-2.3.00-Linux-x86-Install |
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| 20:52.58 | \amethyst | dacs: or double-click it in the file manager |
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| 20:54.01 | dacs | \amethyst: when i d-click i get "Couldn't display "/home/dacs/Desktop/VisualDia...onal-2.3.00-Linux-x86-Install"." |
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| 20:54.07 | delaman | kornholi: where is this "ClientAliveInterval" i cant find it anywhere in /etc |
| 20:54.12 | \amethyst | dacs: okay, so run it from the command line |
| 20:54.50 | \amethyst | dacs: if it's not marked as executable, you'll need to do chmod +x /home/dacs/Desktop/VisualDialplanProfessional-2.3.00-Linux-x86-Install first |
| 20:55.02 | kornholi | delaman: sshd config |
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| 20:55.27 | \amethyst | dacs: whether it will already be executable depends in part on how you downloaded it; look for an 'x' in the first column of ls -l |
| 20:55.44 | \amethyst | dacs: e.g. rwxr-xr-x instead of rw-r--r-- |
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| 20:56.01 | kornholi | delaman: /etc/sshd/sshd_config; add ClientAliveInterval 300 (each 5 min) and ClientAliveCountMax 3 |
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| 20:57.22 | dacs | \amethyst: got it, thank you so much sir! i was just under the asumption that linux didn't run .exe but i was looking at the M$ version? |
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| 20:57.30 | dacs | blond moment! |
| 20:58.10 | delaman | kornholi: thanks, restarting sshd, lets see if this works |
| 20:58.26 | zepho | hrm, i'm listening on gps via telnet localhost 2947, then typing 'r', but how do i quit telnet again? |
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| 20:58.40 | zepho | haven't used telnet in 8+ years, and seems like too many brain cells died since... |
| 20:58.51 | kornholi | ctrl+]? |
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| 20:59.30 | zepho | ah, thx. |
| 20:59.31 | streuner_ | zepho: quit |
| 20:59.39 | zepho | isn't that an alias for another key (^]) |
| 20:59.49 | zepho | streuner_: yes, but that works only after using ^] |
| 20:59.55 | dkr | ^ means control |
| 20:59.58 | kornholi | ^] is ctrl+] |
| 20:59.58 | kornholi | lol |
| 21:00.02 | zepho | yes |
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| 21:00.17 | zepho | what i mean, is ctrl-] not an alias for another key? |
| 21:00.20 | zepho | like esc? |
| 21:00.30 | zepho | ah, i think ^[ is escape, right? |
| 21:01.14 | dkr | in vt100, yeah |
| 21:01.45 | peterS | not just vt100, ^[ is escape on many traditional keyboards |
| 21:01.59 | zepho | that's why i was confused, i kept hitting ^[ all the time and wondering why telnet tells me to use it as escape character, but it doesn't work :P |
| 21:02.01 | peterS | I remember it from the Apple II |
| 21:02.02 | zepho | thx guys :) |
| 21:02.13 | dkr | ah |
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| 21:03.35 | zepho | one of the non-benefits of using dvorak: you don't see the labels on the keys |
| 21:03.50 | Anne84 | dacs: alsof iemand dat hier snapt |
| 21:04.05 | peterS | that would depend on how hard it is to move your key labels around (: on a classic IBM Model M keyboard it is easy |
| 21:04.21 | dacs | Anne84: what? |
| 21:04.29 | Anne84 | dacs: blond moment |
| 21:04.35 | scorche | well, not all model m keyboards have keycaps, but... |
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| 21:04.38 | zepho | peterS: yes, actually i have one, but removed all labels :) working on an eeepc right now, not sure if they can be removed |
| 21:04.56 | Anne84 | blond moment |
| 21:04.58 | zepho | or, rather, be re-attached ;) |
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| 21:05.14 | peterS | zepho: oh well, on an eeepc it doesn't matter if you can see the labels, or whether your layout is dvorak... the keys are too small to hit accurately (: |
| 21:05.34 | zepho | 1000he, keys are perfect, even for blind touchtyping |
| 21:05.38 | Anne84 | dacs: hehe... blond moment soudnded kinda dutch, but ist ofc the same in english :| |
| 21:05.59 | dacs | Anne84: lol |
| 21:06.29 | Anne84 | dacs: and my english sucks... :( |
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| 21:08.16 | dacs | Anne84: same here |
| 21:08.35 | dacs | \amethyst: i have another question please, if you are not busy? |
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| 21:09.29 | \amethyst | dacs: sure |
| 21:09.35 | dacs | \amethyst: i am running Lenny in my laptop, i have noticed e.g if i open Icedove email config the setup screen is not all showing |
| 21:10.10 | \amethyst | dacs: Linux, btw, doesn't care what the filename of the executable is... it could be something.doc for all it cares. All that matters is that it is marked executable, and has the right format |
| 21:10.19 | \amethyst | dacs: no idea, I don't use icedove |
| 21:10.41 | dacs | \amethyst: like part of it is missing, like i can see 3 quarter of the page, and when the [ok] [cacel] [help] is hidden under my keyboard |
| 21:11.00 | \amethyst | dacs: you might have to resize the window then |
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| 21:11.13 | dacs | \amethyst: but for all apps |
| 21:11.22 | \amethyst | dacs: every app is too large? |
| 21:11.34 | dacs | \amethyst: i tried to change res but that didn't fix it either |
| 21:11.46 | \amethyst | dacs: hm... that's what I was going to suggest |
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| 21:12.15 | \amethyst | dacs: when you maximize a window, does it fit correctly or is the bottom part missing? |
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| 21:14.30 | lord_rob | Hi ! What's happening to debian servers ? I cannot do aptitude update anymore. I tried uk and fr mirrors and they haven't replied since yesterday ... |
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| 21:15.24 | pickcoder | the past upgrades I've done from Etch to Lenny have barfed on a missing /etc/rsyncd.conf which doesn't exist |
| 21:15.27 | TUplink | omg... this is such a joke..... im on Etch..... how do i updrade? |
| 21:15.50 | dacs | \amethyst: no |
| 21:16.07 | \amethyst | dacs: err, no to which? |
| 21:16.22 | \amethyst | dacs: no it doesn't fit correctly, or no it doesn't cut off? |
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| 21:17.52 | ubsafder | good night all |
| 21:17.53 | dacs | \amethyst: it doesn't fit correctly! |
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| 21:18.47 | \amethyst | dacs: hm... what does xrandr | grep "*" say your resolution is; and what is your laptop's preferred resolution? |
| 21:18.51 | \amethyst | dacs: brb |
| 21:18.52 | TUplink | its like a Catch 22 everything depends on LIBC6 but cant install i |
| 21:18.53 | TUplink | t |
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| 21:19.40 | \amethyst | !etch->lenny |
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| 21:20.12 | \amethyst | !etch->lenny > TUplink |
| 21:20.26 | \amethyst | bah, dpkg responded privately, why not in-channel? |
| 21:20.52 | TUplink | how do i find out for sure what im on? |
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| 21:20.57 | TUplink | uname -a dont show ir |
| 21:21.00 | TUplink | it* |
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| 21:21.42 | \amethyst | cat /etc/debian-version or apt-cache policy <some package, e.g. libc6> |
| 21:21.55 | dyek | Hi, is there an easy way to create a Fedora-based chroot environment for one server program on Ubuntu/Debian? Or maybe I can create the chroot using Fedora-based tool and tar it up and move it to the Debian based machine? |
| 21:22.32 | TUplink | Installed: 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 21:22.46 | dacs | \amethyst: 1280x768 60.0*+ 60.0 |
| 21:22.47 | teratoma_ | what is minimum level of privilege i can give someone, so they can successfully run 'show processlist ;' ? |
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| 21:22.57 | kornholi | TUplink: edit /etc/apt/sources to stable, and do dist-upgrade |
| 21:23.19 | pickcoder | kornholi: that is not good advice since stable is a moving target |
| 21:23.24 | TUplink | but 1/2 the sources dont work line non-us |
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| 21:23.34 | kornholi | pickcoder: why not? |
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| 21:23.48 | pickcoder | you should nail your sources to a release name if you don't want to get package updates from stable versions that roll over |
| 21:24.04 | pickcoder | kornholi: you can end up with a mixed system |
| 21:24.09 | \amethyst | teratoma_: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/show-processlist.html |
| 21:24.13 | \amethyst | teratoma_: 'PROCESS' |
| 21:24.15 | pickcoder | people forget that they are pulling "stable" and up with packages from 3 releases |
| 21:24.23 | kornholi | lol |
| 21:24.23 | teratoma_ | \amethyst: thanks. weird i thought i was in #mysql |
| 21:24.26 | pickcoder | and never doing "dist-upgrade" to force a system upgrade |
| 21:24.35 | kornholi | thats their problem |
| 21:24.37 | kornholi | ;p |
| 21:25.06 | teratoma_ | what is diff between 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade' ? |
| 21:25.18 | pickcoder | teratoma_: dist-upgrade moves to the next release version |
| 21:25.35 | pickcoder | based on the sources.list |
| 21:25.35 | TUplink | alight just changed all to stable..... doing apt-get update now..... after that do i apt-upgrade? |
| 21:25.45 | kornholi | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:25.45 | teratoma_ | what if you screw up and replace the next release version in your sources.list file, THEN run upgrade ? |
| 21:26.03 | genericType | apt-get instead of aptitude? |
| 21:26.09 | kornholi | aptitude is for pussies |
| 21:26.14 | TUplink | 453 upgraded, 303 newly installed, 59 to remove and 5 not upgraded. |
| 21:26.14 | kornholi | it fucked everything up for me once |
| 21:26.19 | kornholi | no more aptitude |
| 21:26.20 | pickcoder | you'll get mixed packages where the dependancies don't cause an install failure |
| 21:26.25 | \amethyst | TUplink: sounds like etch with some missing updates (etch libc6 is 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9) ... and non-US hasn't been around for some time |
| 21:26.52 | TUplink | ok... im new to this whole debian thing bare with me |
| 21:27.15 | \amethyst | TUplink: oh wait |
| 21:27.19 | kornholi | TUplink: debian is awesome, you have to remmember that |
| 21:27.22 | \amethyst | TUplink: that might actually be a sarge version of glibc6 |
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| 21:27.43 | \amethyst | TUplink: so you'll probably want to upgrade to etch first, *then* upgrade from etch to lenny |
| 21:27.45 | TUplink | well im going stable now |
| 21:27.45 | kornholi | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:27.59 | genericType | I'm still confused on apt-get vs aptitude. Yesterday people were for aptitude. |
| 21:28.05 | TUplink | kornholi it dont exist |
| 21:28.09 | kornholi | eh |
| 21:28.12 | jleedev | i'm for aptitude |
| 21:28.18 | kornholi | genericType: apt-get has super cow powers, aptitude doesn't |
| 21:28.21 | TUplink | im for whatever works |
| 21:28.45 | jleedev | What is it? It's an elephant being eaten by a snake, of course. |
| 21:29.00 | kornholi | ;) |
| 21:29.36 | genericType | aptitude moo |
| 21:29.36 | genericType | There are no Easter Eggs in this program. |
| 21:29.45 | \amethyst | jleedev: http://www.flickr.com/photos/birdseyeview/2060680130/ |
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| 21:30.00 | jleedev | \amethyst: cute |
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| 21:33.18 | TUplink | so what ver is stable? |
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| 21:34.00 | brabo | hi, i was reading at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/security.html about securing portmap, is the portmap in lenny securable? because it clearly states that with 'strings /sbin/portmap | grep hosts.' should give you hosts.allow and hosts.deny with the output, and with me it doesn't.... |
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| 21:34.25 | brabo | it states that it needs to output those files if it's securable |
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| 21:34.57 | \amethyst | dacs: hm, I'm not sure what to tell you... stick around and maybe someone else will be able to help |
| 21:35.01 | dondelelcaro | brabo: by default portmap listens on localhost only, so it shouldn't matter |
| 21:35.31 | kornholi | TUplink: lenny |
| 21:35.37 | TUplink | ok... |
| 21:35.46 | dacs | \amethyst: cool, thank you anyways for trying to help me. I really appreciate it :) |
| 21:35.47 | TUplink | we will see if it will make it |
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| 21:35.51 | TUplink | hope it dose |
| 21:35.57 | dondelelcaro | brabo: and that howto is actually wrong now, because things link against libwrap to provide hosts.allow and hosts.deny support |
| 21:36.02 | TUplink | if it dont back to SQ1 |
| 21:36.09 | ksnp | i am trying to move a non-empty directory with the command mv |
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| 21:36.16 | dondelelcaro | brabo: ldd /sbin/portmap; should show you what's going on |
| 21:36.16 | ksnp | it says can't because because dir is not empty |
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| 21:36.30 | dondelelcaro | ksnp: uh... mv won't give you that warning |
| 21:36.39 | dondelelcaro | (unless it's on some wonky filesystem) |
| 21:36.41 | ksnp | i know.. but i am actually seeing it |
| 21:36.44 | ksnp | its on debian |
| 21:36.49 | loevborgg | Can someone help me get unconfused? Why doesn't this work. "crontab -e" as a user, add "x y * * * /usr/bin/touch /tmp/hi" where y:x is the next minute, save, observe /tmp. Expected: after a minute, /tmp/hi should appear. But it doesn't. What could be wrond? |
| 21:36.57 | loevborgg | wrong, I mean |
| 21:37.16 | brabo | dondelelcaro i'm not sure what i'm seeing here: http://pastebin.com/f60d5a697 |
| 21:37.18 | ksnp | mv conf.May15_latestfresh /home/sriram/conf_temp/. |
| 21:37.20 | dondelelcaro | ksnp: Debian isn't a filesystem. What's the exact command that you're running and the exact error and the output of mount; and ls -lR for the relevant filesystems and directories? |
| 21:37.53 | ksnp | ok, getting it |
| 21:37.57 | dondelelcaro | brabo: libwrap.so.0 => /lib/libwrap.so.0 (0xb7eda000) <-- it links against libwrap, which is what provides hosts.allow and hosts.deny support |
| 21:38.36 | brabo | aah ok, so the hosts.allow and the hosts.deny files do influence portmap then? |
| 21:38.45 | dondelelcaro | brabo: yes |
| 21:39.00 | dondelelcaro | brabo: but unless you're running an accessible NFS server, you shouldn't care. |
| 21:39.05 | brabo | and do you think that the rest of the document is still valid? |
| 21:39.06 | ksnp | donde : actually i was making a mistake, the destination side already had a dir named that.. |
| 21:39.13 | ksnp | iwthout it it works |
| 21:39.17 | dondelelcaro | brabo: I haven't read it, so I can't say |
| 21:39.25 | brabo | aah okay |
| 21:39.57 | brabo | i'm just palying with securing every aspect, not of a need, but out of interest ^^ |
| 21:40.28 | dondelelcaro | brabo: it's most likely out of date, though, so you shoudn't be surprised if things that it says don't match up with relaity |
| 21:40.44 | brabo | okay, i'll keep that in mind :) |
| 21:41.17 | brabo | and thanks for teh help! |
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| 21:43.44 | Anne84 | HardDisk_WP: Had another dutch guy, who could not update his NSLU2. So, maybe it a debian mirror problem... |
| 21:44.18 | HardDisk_WP | Anne84, urgh. the debian mirrors for NSLU should be the same as normal debian mirrors |
| 21:44.48 | HardDisk_WP | Anne84, choose de.debian.org in the mirror list |
| 21:44.51 | HardDisk_WP | this one works |
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| 21:47.06 | TUplink | please add etch sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6 |
| 21:47.14 | pickcoder | is apt-proxy the best option for mirroring updates and packages for dist-upgrades? |
| 21:47.28 | twobitsprite | so... the new pal pre runs debian :) |
| 21:47.31 | twobitsprite | palm* |
| 21:47.51 | TUplink | great guess i wont be getting that phone |
| 21:48.00 | twobitsprite | why not? |
| 21:48.16 | TUplink | debian is a nightmare to upgrade |
| 21:48.30 | twobitsprite | psh |
| 21:48.35 | TUplink | yea..... |
| 21:48.49 | TUplink | ill give you ssh access to my xbox and you try |
| 21:48.51 | TUplink | LMAO |
| 21:49.01 | twobitsprite | lol |
| 21:49.08 | pickcoder | TUplink: what kernel are you running? |
| 21:49.39 | TUplink | 2.4.31-xbox |
| 21:49.44 | pickcoder | erm |
| 21:49.47 | pickcoder | that would be why |
| 21:49.53 | TUplink | im scratching it..... gonna try to install ubuntu |
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| 21:50.00 | pickcoder | TUplink: good luck there too |
| 21:50.01 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 21:50.22 | twobitsprite | anyways, so does anyone have a recent version of mingx I can get from them? seems like the guy running the webpage wants me to send him money to download it from him |
| 21:52.10 | adama_ | I have Xming-6-9-0-31-setup.exe |
| 21:52.26 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: the sourceforge link will have free downloads, and that page too a bit below |
| 21:52.27 | twobitsprite | hmm... I was hoping for the 7.4 or 7.5 release |
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| 21:52.34 | jelly-home | pay up, bitch |
| 21:52.40 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: yeah, it too is the 6.9 release |
| 21:52.48 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: what's wrong with it? |
| 21:52.56 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: bleh... |
| 21:53.05 | tom760` | Is there a way to do an apt-get update, but for a specific date only? I want to document instructions to reproduce my system setup with the exact package versions. |
| 21:53.16 | twobitsprite | ohh, I don't know, I just figured the newer one would have more featuers and/or less bugs |
| 21:53.16 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: bleh? You can build it yourself ya know. |
| 21:53.25 | twobitsprite | I don't have a windows compiler |
| 21:53.49 | jelly-home | or you can go the Cygwin route |
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| 21:54.05 | twobitsprite | true, and I am considering that |
| 21:54.06 | codeshepherd | Officeoffice question: i want to extend the formula .. SUM(A1:A10) , SUM(A1:A11) .. SUM(A1:A12) ... to multiple cells.. when i try to extend.. it increments starting position from A1 to A2.. how do i prevent this ? |
| 21:54.23 | twobitsprite | what is officeoffice? |
| 21:54.34 | jelly-home | an openopen app. |
| 21:54.40 | twobitsprite | heh |
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| 21:55.01 | creative2bad | I"m using debian lenny and was wondering what is an EASY application I can use to setup a proxy with user/password support .. |
| 21:55.18 | twobitsprite | does the cygwin X server support single window modes like mingw? |
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| 21:56.55 | tom760` | isn't mingw a compiler? |
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| 21:57.28 | twobitsprite | er.... mingx :P |
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| 21:57.41 | Anne84 | HardDisk_WP: they seem to have a ftp problem, and I can only choose between ftp mirrors |
| 21:57.44 | twobitsprite | xming, even... *whew* |
| 21:58.04 | Anne84 | HardDisk_WP: I tried german, UK, belgian and dutch mirrors |
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| 21:58.05 | tom760` | twobitsprite: I think I saw options for supporting that, but I never tried it |
| 21:58.27 | charless | hi guys; anyone geek to chroot() world? |
| 21:59.06 | brabo | dondelelcaro i'm running into something else.. with a blank hosts.allow and one line in hosts.deny 'portmap: ALL' shouldn't 'rpcinfo -p' give no output or an error? |
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| 21:59.37 | tom760` | twobitsprite: -multiwindow maybe? |
| 21:59.53 | tom760` | twobitsprite: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/man1/XWin.1.html |
| 22:00.00 | twobitsprite | yep, I just found that |
| 22:00.01 | twobitsprite | thanks :) |
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| 22:00.22 | twobitsprite | guess I'll be using cygwin instead of xming |
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| 22:00.39 | twobitsprite | mutters something about charging for free software... |
| 22:00.39 | charless | urgent help needed with chroot() - please help : |
| 22:00.41 | charless | :) |
| 22:00.59 | tom760` | I tried using it over the internet (not with -multiwindow though) and it was painfully slow. On a LAN is probably fine though. |
| 22:01.02 | twobitsprite | charless: there is nothing "urgent" in here |
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| 22:01.28 | twobitsprite | tom760`: yeah, I'm on a LAN, I'll be fine :) |
| 22:01.36 | charless | ... unless I bring "urgent" with me |
| 22:01.48 | twobitsprite | bring all you want, the rest of us want nothing to do with it |
| 22:02.18 | twobitsprite | besides, if it was really urgent, you wouldn't bother arguing with me about this and instead would just !ask |
| 22:02.26 | twobitsprite | !tell charless about ask |
| 22:02.30 | charless | then please excuse me, just need a small hint: got a mknod-created device in chroot jail and read() returns "Socket operation on non-socket" |
| 22:02.50 | charless | (same read on same device outside jail works just fine, the device is /dev/ttyACM1 - kinda tty layer over USB serial modem) |
| 22:03.29 | HardDisk_WP | Anne84, only ftp mirrors oO |
| 22:03.39 | tom760` | Does anyone know a way to use apt-get so that it will not update to packages posted after a specified date?? |
| 22:03.45 | charless | btw: is there a short way how I can gain a "geek" state here? new to irc, but really not new to coding ;) |
| 22:03.47 | HardDisk_WP | Anne84, add the mirrors by hand |
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| 22:04.57 | \amethyst | tom760`: no; you could install the latest versions you want, then hold all the packages |
| 22:04.59 | Anne84 | HardDisk_WP: how? |
| 22:05.00 | \amethyst | !hold |
| 22:05.00 | dpkg | i heard hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. Ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 22:05.10 | twobitsprite | charless: "geek" state is earned. :) |
| 22:05.18 | Anne84 | HardDisk_WP: NVM |
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| 22:05.43 | charless | twobitsprite: well try me anytime, I'm in hurry and would be happy to be helpful to others as well, once I get this damn chroot() device working :) |
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| 22:06.13 | tom760` | \amethyst: hmmm, probably not a good solution for me. my goal is to create a way to reproduce this exact setup later from a new install. |
| 22:06.49 | tom760` | maybe I can do an apt-get update and archive the database |
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| 22:07.39 | aidehua | What's that other kind of toilet paper called? The sort of harder stuff like baking paper? |
| 22:07.49 | pickcoder | charless: use devfs? |
| 22:08.55 | \amethyst | tom760`: aptitude search --disable-columns -F '%p=%V' '~i' |
| 22:09.18 | \amethyst | tom760`: that will print the list of installed packages, including version numbers |
| 22:09.40 | \amethyst | tom760`: you can then pass that to aptitude install later, *if* none of the named versions have disappeared |
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| 22:10.01 | lolufail | oh hai guise :) |
| 22:10.03 | tom760` | \amethyst: ok, thanks |
| 22:10.03 | \amethyst | tom760`: if there's a security update, though, you might have to install a newer version |
| 22:10.20 | lolufail | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.26 | lolufail | mkvinfo gives a tree that is pretty hard to parse :( |
| 22:10.36 | charless | pickcoder> thanks for the tip, I know that MAY work (haven't tried yet), but that doesn't solve my situation. my case is dynamically built code that has empty jail just with single device file. |
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| 22:10.44 | HardDisk_WP | Anne84, works now? |
| 22:11.09 | charless | pickcoder> (no way to get tools like mount or even shell) |
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| 22:13.08 | pickcoder | charless: can you bind and mount the existing udev /dev ? |
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| 22:14.47 | charless | pick> unfortunately no. I'm looking for solution that would not need anything else than device file pre-created in an empty directory |
| 22:15.58 | charless | pick> my case is: technology able to rebuild symbols implemented in C on the fly; these symbols are executed in various chroot jails; these jails do not contain anything than source code of the symbols and possibly some user data, etc. no unix binaries, no /var/log/'s, etc. |
| 22:16.07 | pickcoder | charless: so what exactly kind of device is it? |
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| 22:16.16 | pickcoder | did you look in devices.txt to get the correct device type? |
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| 22:16.19 | charless | it is /dev/ttyACM1 (166,1) |
| 22:16.51 | charless | I'm pretty sure that minor / major code is correct - I can manually copy /dev/ttyACM1 to to-be-chroot-jail directory. |
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| 22:17.13 | pickcoder | 166,1 is /dev/ttyACM1 |
| 22:17.22 | charless | yes |
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| 22:17.28 | pickcoder | but it's not a socket |
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| 22:17.48 | JimCramer | !rogueinstall |
| 22:18.18 | charless | correct, but the errno after read things it is |
| 22:18.18 | JimCramer | What is the factoid? |
| 22:18.18 | JimCramer | !rogue install |
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| 22:18.32 | pickcoder | it's a character device, which is probably only accessible via read/write under fopen and fclose or open/close |
| 22:18.39 | lolufail | any other mkv info tool? |
| 22:18.42 | pickcoder | charless: where is the error coming from |
| 22:18.47 | lolufail | can only find gui BS |
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| 22:19.01 | charless | pick> if you have Safari, I can show you a code. |
| 22:19.18 | pickcoder | only have it on my phone |
| 22:20.21 | charless | ok, let me try if it will work there (just a sec) |
| 22:20.40 | pickcoder | as long as it's not a million lines long I can read it |
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| 22:22.03 | charless | hm, iphone's safari does not have required support (there's online code editor in JS, etc.) |
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| 22:22.11 | charless | simply the error is errno after read() |
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| 22:22.35 | charless | *descriptor = open(device, O_RDWR | O_NOCTTY); // opens file correctly |
| 22:22.41 | lgbr | I had ALL: ALL in my hosts.deny and I changed it. Do I need to do something to reload the file? |
| 22:22.53 | charless | write() or read() on *descriptor leads to Socket operation on non-socket |
| 22:23.04 | charless | exactly same thing works perfect outside chroot |
| 22:23.18 | charless | there is only a /dev/ttyACM1 in chroot, nothing else |
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| 22:24.07 | jelly-home | charless: does your app not try to access any other device? /dev/null or /dev/zero? |
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| 22:24.15 | charless | no, already tried that - thanks |
| 22:24.17 | charless | omg |
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| 22:25.09 | charless | :-) I think the problem is that GCC linker order of symbols is not guaranteed. |
| 22:25.24 | charless | got a send() redefined in my code, but the difference is that code is loaded dynamically. |
| 22:25.49 | charless | thanks all for help - it actually DID helped me |
| 22:26.12 | pickcoder | you can make that function private |
| 22:26.24 | pickcoder | but it's never good to redefine sys calls |
| 22:26.30 | pickcoder | tsk tsk |
| 22:26.49 | charless | well, you're right, but you'll accept that if you see that monster I'm creating here :) |
| 22:27.05 | charless | ... if you install safari... I can show you :-) |
| 22:27.07 | pickcoder | nope.. I don't accept it. give it another proto call it something unique |
| 22:27.16 | pickcoder | s/proto/proto and |
| 22:27.22 | charless | I guarantee, you'll like it btw |
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| 22:27.27 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 22:27.44 | jelly-home | sure hope your libc doesn't call those ;-) |
| 22:28.13 | pickcoder | jelly-home: if they're not exported then it won't matter |
| 22:28.22 | charless | jelly> The idea is to actually GET control over symbol ordering during dynamic linking |
| 22:28.24 | pickcoder | if they are then I wanna watch things smoke |
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| 22:28.38 | charless | :D |
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| 22:29.01 | charless | well guys, if you're interested install safari, I'd be happy to see what you think... |
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| 22:29.30 | stenn | with the release of linux-2.6.30, and the new default of ext3 data=writeback, I've been wondering: for a laptop, would ext4 data=ordered, or ext3 data=writeback offer better data security? (I haven't been able to find any info wrt this comparison) |
| 22:29.54 | pickcoder | has the latest on iphone 2.2 |
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| 22:30.12 | charless | pick> need pc/mac version for this |
| 22:30.14 | pickcoder | good luck getting plugins to install |
| 22:30.30 | jelly-home | idly wonders if safari would work under wine |
| 22:30.38 | charless | pick> the actual think is independent on browser of course, but with online editor it may be explained without words |
| 22:30.42 | charless | think=thing |
| 22:30.57 | charless | ha - works |
| 22:31.08 | charless | :-) again thank you all, for helping my brain paths |
| 22:31.23 | pickcoder | so.. you're building a hijacking tool? |
| 22:31.25 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 22:32.05 | pickcoder | jelly-home: you'd be better of loading XP under vmware |
| 22:32.10 | dhblewis | Hi, I am still stressing over my mysql. 3 days and not fixed. how do i delete files from var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 22:32.17 | charless | pick> oh no, actually I own quite few technology research / development companies |
| 22:32.19 | pickcoder | or load a leopard image |
| 22:32.49 | jelly-home | pickcoder: Crossover Office works surprisingly well with the supported apps, considering it's Wine in disguise |
| 22:33.12 | pickcoder | charless: be sure to tell your Apple dev support that they need to get to work on the PC version of the iPhone SDK |
| 22:33.25 | pickcoder | jelly-home: how much RAM does it consume |
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| 22:33.41 | jelly-home | lemme fire up outlook |
| 22:33.45 | jelly-home | ;-) |
| 22:33.49 | charless | pick> :-) we do not do THESE things. we do original things. actually we write everything on our own. |
| 22:33.58 | charless | (practical, security and goodwill reasons) |
| 22:34.12 | pickcoder | as well as performance focused? |
| 22:34.15 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 22:34.49 | charless | the reason for Safari in current case is that it has pretty good (=fast comparede to FF) Javascript interpreter |
| 22:35.01 | charless | so the online code editor is optimized for Safari at this stage |
| 22:35.05 | jelly-home | *cough*Opera10*cough* |
| 22:35.10 | charless | (and perhaps will not work elsewhere) |
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| 22:35.17 | charless | jelly> :) |
| 22:35.36 | charless | jelly> seems to me that you don't want to see my super technology :) |
| 22:35.58 | jelly-home | not really, it's half past midnight here |
| 22:36.12 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.15 | charless | jelly> same here :) |
| 22:36.22 | pickcoder | charless: loaded |
| 22:36.32 | charless | jelly> but np; it'll be published pretty soon anyway |
| 22:37.16 | charless | pickcoder> http://demo0.xite.cz/?.xed=1 |
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| 22:38.10 | charless | pick> is it doing anything on your side? |
| 22:38.27 | pickcoder | loaded the main.x |
| 22:38.37 | charless | can you edit it? |
| 22:39.01 | pickcoder | yup |
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| 22:39.21 | charless | pick> then edit it, but be aware of syntax (you don't see compiler logs, do you :) |
| 22:39.31 | charless | clicking save and then leave leaves editor and executes the code |
| 22:39.40 | pickcoder | it's kinda counter intuitive to not be able to select lines or segments of lines with shift |
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| 22:39.55 | charless | pick I agree, the editor is 3 days old |
| 22:39.57 | pickcoder | the syntax highlighting helps with layout |
| 22:40.12 | pickcoder | is the format indention automatic? |
| 22:40.15 | charless | pick> there are many versions prepared already, this is just one branch |
| 22:40.19 | charless | pick> yes |
| 22:40.21 | pickcoder | nice |
| 22:40.39 | charless | pick> well partially - it does when you press enter, but it does not if you load file without indentation |
| 22:40.51 | creative2bad | I'm using debian lenny and was wondering what is an EASY application I can use to setup a proxy with user/password support .. |
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| 22:41.12 | charless | pick> try http://85.239.253.39/console/dashboard/ |
| 22:41.17 | pickcoder | you should consider a formatting function |
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| 22:42.02 | charless | pick> yes, but the editor is the smallest thing. there is HUGE animal behind all that which handles transactions, processes, dynamic symbol updates, etc. |
| 22:42.07 | pickcoder | what data systems is this running on |
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| 22:42.17 | charless | what you mean by data systems? |
| 22:42.30 | pickcoder | mainframe server app? |
| 22:42.50 | charless | that is one of THE ACTUAL products |
| 22:43.01 | charless | XITE is my brand, and many others |
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| 22:43.34 | charless | and btw: you've sent me an sms :-D |
| 22:43.38 | charless | don't do that\ |
| 22:43.39 | charless | :D |
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| 22:44.09 | charless | pick> do you like it? :-) |
| 22:44.12 | dhblewis | Please please please can someone help me with http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/installing-mysql-sub-process-usrbindpkg-returned-an-error-code-1-732033/#post3569668 3 days I have been trying and I really cannot take it any longer |
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| 22:45.09 | pickcoder | charless: yup. looks neat |
| 22:45.09 | pickcoder | I'd like to have something like this for editing Pick code |
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| 22:45.09 | pickcoder | there are a few web editing apps around |
| 22:45.20 | adb | got you:) |
| 22:45.23 | charless | pick> yes, our focus is on actual compilation / integration / ... technology |
| 22:45.25 | charless | adb> :-) |
| 22:45.39 | adb | was mine sms |
| 22:45.51 | charless | adb> I see. :-) sorry pickcoder, it was adb |
| 22:46.13 | charless | adb> there's stupid tariff, sorry :-) that was just the code I've needed help with (30 mins ago) |
| 22:46.14 | adb | i didn't what i done |
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| 22:46.21 | charless | adb> sure, I know, my fault :) |
| 22:46.47 | adb | that's ok |
| 22:46.51 | charless | pick> as you can see, it's like PHP, but it's pure (= ANSI, K&R, ...) C |
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| 22:47.17 | charless | pick> and it's "industrially" fast |
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| 22:48.03 | charless | 212.147.100.100> you need /?.xed=1 and Safari to see what's inside. the demo itself isn't so attractive, is it :) |
| 22:49.04 | adb | i see inside and i can edit in epiphany |
| 22:49.23 | charless | pick> if there is something you need on your site that may be solved best in C (ie any existing C library or custom code), it'll be possible to use XITE pretty soon. |
| 22:49.47 | charless | adb> with syntax highlighting? does it work? the editor is just "side effect" / "requirement", so we haven't tested it yet much |
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| 22:50.15 | adb | only a little diff of 3 lines down and some colons |
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| 22:50.46 | charless | adb> hmm, we'll look at that soon. |
| 22:50.51 | adb | syntax is highlighting |
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| 22:51.15 | charless | adb> there should be time in milliseconds in status bar - is it something reasonable? (updating with every key press) |
| 22:51.38 | charless | in safari it runs < 3 ms which is probably the best possible with such type of syntax hl. |
| 22:51.54 | pickcoder | bbl |
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| 22:53.32 | riot | is nvidia-source broken in unstable? It won't build here, right now |
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| 22:55.25 | parolang | Hello. Why did 'rm *#;*~' delete all the files in the current directory? |
| 22:56.02 | charless | parloang> what kind of shell do you use? |
| 22:56.09 | adb | well http://demo0.xite.cz/ in epiphany i get highlighting syntax , and in iceape i get a colored cube ; |
| 22:56.21 | parolang | charless: I did this in eshell. |
| 22:56.27 | riot | parolang: because # starts a comment in bash. so Essentially you typed "rm *" |
| 22:56.34 | adb | charless: ^ |
| 22:56.41 | charless | adb> I see:) |
| 22:56.46 | parolang | riot: doh! |
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| 22:56.59 | riot | eshell? hmm.. whats that? |
| 22:57.14 | parolang | riot: Shell in emacs. |
| 22:57.18 | riot | parolang: if you intended to delete files containing "#;" you would have had to escape that. |
| 22:57.36 | riot | parolang: aah, ok. I suppose this pipes your input to your default shell, which is probably bash. |
| 22:57.44 | charless | adb> made a site for you in case you'd like to try coding something in XITE C :) http://adb.xite.cz/ |
| 22:57.51 | charless | adb> enter editor using /?.xed=1 |
| 22:58.07 | parolang | riot: Well, I meant to rm files ending in ~ and # but wasn't paying attention and mistyped it. |
| 22:58.10 | charless | then "save", then "leave" to see results |
| 22:58.36 | parolang | riot: To my knowledge, eshell is completely written in eshell. |
| 22:58.43 | charless | adb> but note it's just beta yet :) |
| 22:58.58 | Tramp | riot: no. A word has to begin with "#" to start a comment. Try e.g. "ls *#;*~" |
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| 22:59.15 | adb | charless: "my" sire get only plain text : Hello, world.. |
| 22:59.25 | adb | site* |
| 22:59.41 | charless | adb> you should be able to modify the source by entering http://adb.xite.cz/?.xed=1 |
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| 23:00.19 | adb | yes , it worked |
| 23:00.50 | charless | adb> perfect. it's really pure c, so you can do there anything you like and have it's standard output in browser |
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| 23:01.18 | charless | adb> to access CGI, you can use eg: const char* XITECGIStr(const char* name); |
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| 23:02.18 | adb | nice , not yet at C level , but seems fine |
| 23:02.53 | charless | adb> k |
| 23:03.21 | charless | adb> I have to look smart, as I have to "earn prestige" here :-) |
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| 23:04.13 | charless | adb> http://85.239.253.39/console/dashboard/ |
| 23:04.29 | charless | adb> there you can see how many symbol upgrades (recompilations), transactions etc were made to your site |
| 23:05.13 | adb | i see it |
| 23:05.22 | adb | saw* |
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| 23:15.15 | boxxertrumps | is there any software that's in the repos that can recover files that were lost to a reformat? |
| 23:15.32 | radivx | Trying to install debian-testing on a USB drive (followed this http://debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-flexible) + debian testing netboot iso. Installer keeps complaining about mismatch in kernel and problems with kernel modules. |
| 23:15.38 | radivx | Any suggestions? |
| 23:15.53 | adb | try lenny |
| 23:15.55 | charless | boxxer> depends on what filesystem you use, ie reiserfs has some tool for full reconstruction |
| 23:16.02 | riot | ok, nvidia's own driverpackages work flawlessly |
| 23:16.08 | riot | twinview rocks. |
| 23:16.31 | riot | watching a movie and playing quake4 at the same time. How useless. But works wonderfully :D |
| 23:16.36 | boxxertrumps | charless: i need to get a bunch of graphics off a partially overwritten ntfs part |
| 23:17.04 | radivx | using boot files from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 23:17.29 | charless | boxxer> hmm, doesn't look good. but I have no special experience with NTFS recovery :( |
| 23:17.55 | charless | riot> neat |
| 23:18.51 | abrotman | boxxertrumps: there is a liveCD for that .. i believe |
| 23:18.55 | charless | boxxer> I'd create hard copy of whole raw device and than look if there are some rescue tools for win env. |
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| 23:19.11 | abrotman | charless: try boxx<tab> |
| 23:19.21 | charless | abrotman: cool thx |
| 23:19.36 | charless | abrotman: I'm getting old :-) |
| 23:19.53 | abrotman | boxxertrumps: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=livecd+disaster+recovery+ntfs&aq=f&oq=&aqi= |
| 23:21.48 | radivx | boxxertrumps: http://www.runtime.org/ got some quite good NTFS tools, try before you buy. |
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| 23:29.48 | cromag | what do i need to get snmp information from a debian box ? snmp / snmpd ? |
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| 23:31.00 | boxxertrumps | radivx: that link looks promising |
| 23:31.11 | boxxertrumps | abrotman: google fails me... |
| 23:31.12 | gil | after setting up a chroot directory with debootstrap, how can i copy it to another machine? |
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| 23:31.32 | abrotman | boxxertrumps: i see a few knoppix based livecds ... but really it's your data |
| 23:32.48 | abrotman | cromag: did you try them ? |
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| 23:35.49 | boxxertrumps | abrotman: it didn't look like there were any tools i could use to get data from a formatted drive |
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| 23:36.08 | boxxertrumps | did i miss somehting? |
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| 23:37.36 | llimeht | gil: same way as you would copy any other large collection of files while preserving permissions and ownership. tar or rsync are probably the easiest tools for it |
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| 23:40.29 | cromag | abrotman: im trying to find out which to use. |
| 23:40.34 | cromag | so no. |
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| 23:45.00 | boxxertrumps | i'll try out getdataback, it seems to keep popping up with positive results |
| 23:45.07 | boxxertrumps | too bad there's no linux version |
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| 23:47.00 | ajavid | having toruble figuring out what build options to use for php-gtk |
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| 23:47.12 | ajavid | hmm |
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| 23:49.03 | ajavid | ahhhh, I see how its packaged, I need to keep it seperate from phpcli and apache2 |
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| 23:49.49 | fas3r | hello |
| 23:51.54 | umarzuki | hi, last time i failed to burn a 3.4 GB disk image to a DVD when my free space is less than 3 GB, is that the reason? I have a 4 GB RAM |
| 23:52.32 | umarzuki | was the free space is the cause? |
| 23:54.38 | parolang | How do I found out which device (in /dev) is my USB flashdrive? dmesg doesn't tell me :/ |
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| 23:55.20 | cockroach | parolang: are you sure dmesg doesn't tell you? :) |
| 23:55.23 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:56.32 | umarzuki | parolang: if your usb drive is 4 GB, check with fdisk -l and see if there a device with 4 GB capacity |
| 23:56.42 | Gh0st3r | getting the error "Stale NFS Handle", from what I understand restarting all of the clients and the server should make this error go away but it hasn't for some reason, what other things can i try? |
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| 23:57.21 | abrotman | parolang: it should |
| 23:57.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gh0st3r, unmount, mount again? |
| 23:58.04 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: is this cross-platform ? |
| 23:58.06 | parolang | abrotman: I have no idea why it doesn't. I reattached my flashdrive and it tells me a bunch of other stuff. |
| 23:58.29 | Gh0st3r | pipeline, across a couple of ESX hosts, with a Linux Debian 5 Lenny box hosting the NFS Shares |
| 23:58.34 | parolang | adb: Okay, I think that worked. What's the by-uuid directory for? |
| 23:58.54 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: ok that's potentially ugly, any cross-platform NFS that involves linux on either side is ripe for trouble |
| 23:59.07 | Gh0st3r | CutMeOwnThroat, on the NFS Server how do I umount and remount? Is it just umount -f /nfs/share and then mount /nfs/share ? |
| 23:59.08 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: have you checked how many links are to the file? nfs and hardlinks uh, sucks. |
| 23:59.30 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: you can't control when esx is mounting the nfs share, unless you're talking about an nfs mount by the service console |
| 23:59.36 | Gh0st3r | pipeline, no idea how... its gotten ugly unforunately and im up sh*t creek with no paddle :( |
| 23:59.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | umarzuki, if you copy a disk... very probable.. if you burn an iso, I don't see why that should matter |