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| 00:00.12 | adb | parolang: identify device/s by identity |
| 00:00.13 | Gh0st3r | pipeline, when I restarted I just restarted the ESX hosts all together and the server as well... |
| 00:00.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gh0st3r, yes ,but obviously on the client |
| 00:00.33 | umarzuki | CutMeOwnThroat: i seldom got that issues with gnomebaker |
| 00:00.35 | Gh0st3r | CutMeOwnThroat, on the client as in one of the ESX hosts or the server? |
| 00:00.53 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: is the client the ESX vmkernel (i.e. nfs datastore) or the ESX service console ? |
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| 00:01.17 | lord-carlos | Hi |
| 00:01.17 | Gh0st3r | pipeline, the wonderful ESX vmkernel |
| 00:01.20 | parolang | adb: But why don't my other usb devices show up there? |
| 00:01.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously the nfs server doesn't nfs-mount it's own disks is what I mean |
| 00:01.31 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: great, so troubleshooting is basically impossible |
| 00:01.37 | parolang | adb: That's the problem I was having, I couldn't figure out which device is my flashdrive. |
| 00:01.49 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: when do you encounter the problem |
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| 00:01.56 | Gh0st3r | pipeline, damn... any other ideas how i could pop this beast back up? I need access to those files... |
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| 00:02.24 | Gh0st3r | pipeline, power was lost and the UPS's died after 4 hours :( (damn long blackouts) so the server didn't shutdown correctly |
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| 00:02.44 | lord-carlos | can i use ext4 on my / if i have grub 0.97? I also have an /boot with ext3. |
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| 00:03.02 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: ok, so, to be clear: you have a debian lenny host serving NFS shares to ESX clients, and the client-side is vmkernel, NOT the service console ? |
| 00:03.16 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: at what point, and from where, do you get the stale handle error ? logs ? which logs ? |
| 00:03.33 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: btw vmware support will probably help you with this even though your datastore is unsupported. |
| 00:03.46 | Gh0st3r | pipeline, yea, plus on the Debian Lenny server, there is also a Samba server running on it, sharing these same files, with No hosts currently connected or within the past month or so |
| 00:03.57 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: that is not relevant |
| 00:04.52 | Gh0st3r | pipeline, sorry? from what point? I got an error when trying to mount one of the .iso's into a VM, so i tried a quick cp on the server and got that error "Stale NFS Handle" |
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| 00:06.21 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: ok, see, that's already good news. |
| 00:06.32 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: you can mount ISOs over SMB and you don't need the NFS share :P |
| 00:06.50 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: you only need the NFS share for when you want to store VM data (vmx, vmdks) |
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| 00:09.36 | Gh0st3r | pipeline, yea, but I cant do even a cp on the server to copy the file somewhere else |
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| 00:09.51 | Gh0st3r | cause it has the stale NFS server |
| 00:10.27 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: huh |
| 00:10.37 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: when you log into the server, and invoke cp, you get garbage about stale nfs handles ? |
| 00:10.41 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: that's... weird. |
| 00:12.02 | Gh0st3r | pipeline, yea, thats what i thought |
| 00:12.08 | Gh0st3r | pipeline, any other ideas then? |
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| 00:13.14 | Ficthe | hi, was the firefox dielmma ever resolved? is it still named iceweasel in recent releases of debian? |
| 00:14.52 | umarzuki | Ficthe: i don't think it will ever be 'solved', if that's how you put it |
| 00:14.59 | umarzuki | it is not simply naming |
| 00:15.06 | adama_ | Ficthe: I wouldn't call it a "dilemma" |
| 00:15.09 | umarzuki | it's complying to the DFSG |
| 00:16.13 | Ficthe | quite frankly all I care about it is that the logo and the name appear to be of firefox, so my family siblings don't get confused. I think that should be rather easy to do on my part, I was just curious |
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| 00:16.29 | umarzuki | mozilla making it hard for Debian developer to make bug fix and modification while carrying their brand |
| 00:16.48 | umarzuki | Ficthe: just use the tarball from mozilla site |
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| 00:17.05 | adama_ | Ficthe: just edit the .desktop file and give it a new icon and name - that's what I've done for the same reason |
| 00:17.22 | umarzuki | adama_: that's a great idea |
| 00:17.28 | Ficthe | ah, okay, that works. thanks. |
| 00:17.31 | adama_ | :) |
| 00:17.40 | gmap | how can I manually choose packages when installing from the netinst iso? I get a screen asking to check standard, webserver,print server, sql server, desktop, but there is no option for manually choose packages. |
| 00:17.51 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: disable nfs and reboot the server |
| 00:17.56 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: use smb to share ISOs |
| 00:18.09 | pipeline | Gh0st3r: linux NFS is, shall we say, not the most robust chunk of the kernel. |
| 00:18.24 | umarzuki | gmap: i don't remember there's any |
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| 00:19.20 | adama_ | gmap: just install standard system, then aptitude install what you want |
| 00:19.33 | adb | gmap: choose noting , reboot , and install manually what is needed |
| 00:19.42 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.49 | gmap | adb, will apt be on there? |
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| 00:19.58 | adb | sure |
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| 00:20.29 | gmap | ok cool, so when I reach that screen I should reboot? what about GRUB? |
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| 00:20.40 | adb | yes |
| 00:21.10 | adb | do rest steps too |
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| 00:21.30 | adb | finish installation ... |
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| 00:33.36 | boxxertrumps | whoever suggested the site with getdataback, thanks a ton |
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| 00:34.19 | boxxertrumps | it's going through the hdd now, and i saw a few text files suggesting mother/daughter incest erotica |
| 00:34.44 | boxxertrumps | which means that i'm on the right track |
| 00:35.19 | charless | :) omg |
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| 00:42.17 | dacs | why w3m is not showing pictures? |
| 00:42.57 | adama_ | how do I make the cdrom automatically mount when it's inserted? CLI only, no DE |
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| 00:45.22 | fas3r | when we create a rule with iptables.. where it go ? .. in a file ? (or in the kernel in a database for netfilter ?) |
| 00:45.40 | Wyzard | wow, DynDNS does VPS hosting |
| 00:45.49 | Wyzard | oops, wrong window |
| 00:46.41 | plugwash | iptables just adds rules to the lists in the kernel |
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| 00:47.18 | plugwash | if you want them to persist between reboots you will have to set up something to apply them on boot |
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| 00:47.57 | fas3r | plugwash: yes i know |
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| 00:51.54 | creative2bad | I'm using debian lenny and was wondering what is an EASY application I can use to setup a proxy with user/password support .. |
| 00:51.56 | fas3r | plugwash: the rules are in a database or something like that in the kernel ... ? can i read it whitout iptables command like iptables - L for example .. |
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| 00:53.54 | gmap | how do I remove all packages with apt |
| 00:54.04 | abrotman | why would you want to do that? |
| 00:54.29 | fas3r | abrotman: me ? |
| 00:54.33 | abrotman | no |
| 00:54.38 | plugwash | fas3r, well iptables must access it somehow so presumablly other software could in principle do the same, i'm not aware of any though |
| 00:54.45 | gmap | because i want to manually choose the packages i want |
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| 00:54.54 | abrotman | gmap: i don't think you want to remove *all* packages |
| 00:55.13 | gmap | i am basically limited to ~500mb |
| 00:55.22 | gmap | and i am already at 430 |
| 00:55.23 | abrotman | and? |
| 00:55.31 | gmap | and I still have to install xorg and mysql and stuff |
| 00:55.34 | abrotman | if you remove all hte packages, what will you have left ? |
| 00:55.35 | abrotman | haha |
| 00:55.46 | fas3r | plugwash: ok |
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| 00:55.55 | adama_ | you can use "dpkg -l" to see what packages you have installed, and remove ones you think are unnecessary |
| 00:55.59 | abrotman | !sort by size |
| 00:55.59 | dpkg | methinks sort by size is perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package) |
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| 00:56.04 | fas3r | oups |
| 00:56.10 | fas3r | plugwash: thank ;) |
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| 00:56.31 | gmap | what command can i type in to show the pkgs sorted by size? |
| 00:56.40 | adama_ | :) |
| 00:56.44 | gmap | dpkg -l sort by size? |
| 00:56.44 | dpkg | No packages found matching sort by size |
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| 00:59.20 | adama_ | judd: versions mencoder |
| 00:59.20 | judd | adama_: mencoder -- etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1 lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny1 squeeze-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20090508-0.0 sid-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20090604-0.1 |
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| 01:10.32 | cobra-the-joker | hey there guys ....is there is any MMORPG for linux ? |
| 01:11.15 | Gh0st3r | getting the error "Stale NFS Handle", from what I understand restarting all of the clients and the server should make this error go away but it hasn't for some reason, what other things can i try? |
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| 01:14.46 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: yes |
| 01:15.20 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman ... pls tell me :D |
| 01:15.36 | abrotman | !search |
| 01:15.36 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking. Eg, 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install) 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online), and <help find> (bot). <dpkg search> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 01:15.46 | abrotman | also .. see happypenguin.org |
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| 01:16.06 | cobra-the-joker | aha ...i saw it ...and downloading right now |
| 01:16.29 | cobra-the-joker | but i think it is single player ?? |
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| 01:17.16 | abrotman | i haven't played it |
| 01:17.37 | cobra-the-joker | i think i may contribute to linux by making a site featuring its games :D |
| 01:18.02 | abrotman | also .. see happypenguin.org |
| 01:18.45 | \amethyst | cobra-the-joker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_gaming#Massively_multiplayer_online_role-playing_games |
| 01:19.00 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
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| 01:19.16 | \amethyst | cobra-the-joker: Eve Online used to provide a Linux client, but they discontinued it and now recommend Wine |
| 01:19.33 | \amethyst | cobra-the-joker: http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=499 |
| 01:19.49 | cobra-the-joker | wine not too bad |
| 01:20.10 | \amethyst | cobra-the-joker: also, it's not exactly a game, but Second Life has a Linux client |
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| 01:20.47 | cobra-the-joker | really :D ...i can find it in the repo ? |
| 01:21.07 | abrotman | shockingly ... debian doesn't have every piece of software in the repos |
| 01:21.42 | cobra-the-joker | too bad ...lol |
| 01:22.04 | cobra-the-joker | actually i found tux racer in the repos :D |
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| 01:22.49 | \amethyst | cobra-the-joker: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=406335 |
| 01:23.11 | cobra-the-joker | i hope it will work on my intel gfx :(((( |
| 01:23.20 | \amethyst | cobra-the-joker: someone's theoretically working on packaging it, but there's been no news since about a year ago |
| 01:23.21 | dacs | why w3m is not showing pictures? |
| 01:24.39 | \amethyst | dacs: do you have w3m-img installed? |
| 01:24.41 | cobra-the-joker | so ... there is no package out there now ? |
| 01:24.51 | dacs | \amethyst: yes |
| 01:24.56 | \amethyst | cobra-the-joker: there is a package, but it's not in the debian repository |
| 01:25.04 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
| 01:25.08 | \amethyst | dacs: you're running it in an xterm (or gnome-terminal) |
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| 01:25.42 | \amethyst | cobra-the-joker: http://wiki.debian.org/Games/OpenMetaverseViewer has more info |
| 01:25.50 | dacs | \amethyst: from gnome Application>Acessories>Terminal |
| 01:26.28 | \amethyst | dacs: hm... should work, then, and does here |
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| 01:28.23 | \amethyst | dacs: I find that sometimes I have to move the cursor to get images to display (ctrl-l, or resizing the window, makes them disappear) |
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| 01:28.50 | cobra-the-joker | :D:D:D ...its running very smooooooothly |
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| 01:29.24 | cobra-the-joker | first time that i have played any game in a linux system .....fedora couldnt play games |
| 01:29.41 | cobra-the-joker | fedora couldnt do any thing actually ...lol |
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| 01:35.11 | gmap | when installing debian, there are different kernels to choose from. which kernel is the smallest in size? |
| 01:36.45 | \amethyst | gmap: the size differences are negligible |
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| 01:37.58 | abrotman | \amethyst: not when you're trying to get xorg and mysql in your install less than 500MB :) |
| 01:38.03 | gmap | the thing is, i created a debian live system with the packages i needed and the .img came out to be 260mb. I tried to recreate that system with normal debian and it comes out to be over 500mb. how can this be? |
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| 01:38.38 | \amethyst | gmap: because debian live images are compressed? |
| 01:38.53 | abrotman | gmap: but yes, the difference in size is pretty minor .. maybe 50k |
| 01:39.13 | gmap | yea, that wont help me |
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| 01:41.36 | streuner_ | Should that become a diskless system? |
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| 01:42.46 | jvogel | hi what are some wireless network manager alternatives to gnome-network-manager? |
| 01:42.58 | streuner_ | interfaces |
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| 01:43.34 | streuner_ | just use that, if you have problems with NM |
| 01:43.40 | kaizoku | I'm trying to compile a kernel with make-kpkg, but it doesn't seem to be creating an initrd |
| 01:43.48 | gmap | whats a diskless system? |
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| 01:43.54 | abrotman | gmap: google ? |
| 01:43.58 | streuner_ | well, did you told make-kpkg to do so? |
| 01:44.01 | kaizoku | I used `fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd ..`, but.. |
| 01:44.02 | kaizoku | Yes |
| 01:44.09 | jvogel | "interfaces" |
| 01:44.12 | jvogel | is what it's called? |
| 01:44.17 | kaizoku | and I have ramdisk = /usr/sbin/mkinitrd.yaird |
| 01:44.26 | streuner_ | jvogel: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 01:44.26 | kaizoku | in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 01:44.44 | streuner_ | jvogel: /msg dpkg wireless (and read wiki.debian.org about) |
| 01:45.30 | streuner_ | jvogel: you have 3 options in Debian to configure wireless |
| 01:45.57 | kaizoku | I read and followed http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-building |
| 01:45.58 | jvogel | well isnt there one that starts with an x |
| 01:46.06 | kaizoku | but still no initrd |
| 01:46.40 | cockroach | kaizoku: are you using make-kpkg from sid? |
| 01:46.49 | kaizoku | Yes |
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| 01:47.12 | streuner_ | jvogel: they arent care if you use X or not |
| 01:47.18 | cockroach | kaizoku: have a look at the news file, some things about initrd changed recently |
| 01:47.28 | streuner_ | jvogel: interfaces, wicd and NM |
| 01:47.40 | streuner_ | jvogel: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 01:48.16 | kaizoku | http://www.debian.org/News/ ? |
| 01:48.17 | streuner_ | jvogel: starting with an X? |
| 01:48.18 | octoserver | whenn you guys watch sensors, are your voltages fairly stable, or do any of them fluctuate a lot? like -5 can sometimes be -8.3 to -1.4v ? |
| 01:48.18 | zepho | is there any geotag program for debian that includes a map view? |
| 01:48.22 | cockroach | kaizoku: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 01:48.24 | jvogel | streuner_: nevermind it was wicd |
| 01:48.29 | streuner_ | ok |
| 01:48.29 | kaizoku | k, thanks |
| 01:48.33 | zepho | or only gpscorrelate? |
| 01:48.39 | jvogel | streuner_: how can i restart netowrk-manager-gnome |
| 01:49.08 | streuner_ | jvogel: sorry, but i use interfaces... |
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| 01:53.08 | octoserver | if I buy a new motherboard and just take my two mirror sets and put them on the new MB, will debian handle it ok ? |
| 01:53.10 | streuner_ | jvogel: what kind of Debian? |
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| 01:53.51 | Mikey^ | Hey |
| 01:54.02 | streuner_ | if the chipset and CPU is supported, yes |
| 01:54.05 | Mikey^ | I want to install a basic kde desktop |
| 01:54.21 | Mikey^ | and when I try aptitude install kde-core, it says kde-core package not found |
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| 01:54.37 | Mikey^ | I am using debian testing branch.. |
| 01:54.56 | Mikey^ | is the metapackage name changed ? |
| 01:55.28 | cockroach | Mikey^: what about aptitude install kde? |
| 01:55.31 | \amethyst | Mikey^: yes, with kde4 there are kde-minimal and kde-full |
| 01:55.49 | \amethyst | cockroach: the kde metapackage is also gone post-lenny |
| 01:55.52 | Mikey^ | I just need the kde desktop. |
| 01:56.02 | Mikey^ | basic one, not full blown apps |
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| 01:56.03 | cockroach | okayokay, shutting up :) |
| 01:56.16 | Mikey^ | so kde-minimal works ? |
| 01:56.21 | \amethyst | Mikey^: it should |
| 01:56.28 | Mikey^ | \amethyst:ok let me try |
| 01:56.43 | Mikey^ | Yeah |
| 01:56.58 | Mikey^ | It 1/2 the download size :) |
| 01:57.18 | Mikey^ | Thx guys |
| 01:57.32 | jvogel | streuner_: i got it, /etc/init.d/network-manager restart |
| 01:57.36 | jvogel | running squeeze amd64 tho |
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| 02:07.01 | smacnay | Does the dell inspirion desktop stand up well from a linux user stand-point? |
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| 02:07.51 | cobra-the-joker | lol ....second life is running very smoooooooth also :D |
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| 02:11.26 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: in my limited experience, yes. |
| 02:11.54 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: thanks - I am trying to replace a toasted machine right now. |
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| 02:12.25 | smacnay | my mobo blew some caps and is done |
| 02:12.46 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: but nowadays, pretty much anything will work |
| 02:13.34 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: yes, I am also looking at laptops but am trying to keep my output down for now and invest in a better system in a year or do |
| 02:15.48 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: yeah, I'd also suggest checking out newegg; the often have full up desktops for relatively cheap. ISTR an HP 4-way amd64 with 4G ram for $500 |
| 02:16.22 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: sure - will do - thanks for the advice |
| 02:16.43 | bjk | 4-way? is that cores? |
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| 02:17.24 | abrotman | keyboards |
| 02:18.26 | bjk | keyboards? |
| 02:19.11 | streuner_ | jvogel: well, i use interfaces because its usually more stable, specially if you using testing/unstable ;-) |
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| 02:19.47 | jvogel | streuner_: so does that mean you manually connect to wireless network |
| 02:19.59 | Sememmon | bah |
| 02:20.05 | Sememmon | points at Yesimm_inthehouz |
| 02:20.07 | Sememmon | spammer |
| 02:20.18 | streuner_ | jvogel: it starts at boot-time |
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| 02:20.37 | Sememmon | any ops around? he spams on join. |
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| 02:20.43 | Sememmon | hooray |
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| 02:20.47 | streuner_ | jvogel: once you configured the thingie, just ifup -a, done |
| 02:21.01 | jvogel | streuner_: so if you want to connect to a new wpa encryopted network is it hard |
| 02:21.09 | streuner_ | nah |
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| 02:21.49 | streuner_ | interfaces arent care if its encrypted (WPA) or not, as long as your driver supports it... |
| 02:22.10 | streuner_ | you just have to configure interfaces |
| 02:22.20 | gmap | where are the man pages stored/ |
| 02:22.35 | abrotman | /usr/share/man/ |
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| 02:23.11 | gmap | thx |
| 02:23.11 | Akuw | i am using sed "s///-/g" text.txt |
| 02:23.15 | Akuw | but got error |
| 02:23.22 | Akuw | sed: -e expresión #1, carácter 5: unknown option to `s' |
| 02:24.03 | streuner_ | s/arent/isnt/ |
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| 02:26.19 | Akuw | i am using sed 's/;/-/g' sample.txt |
| 02:26.19 | Akuw | but no changes take efect |
| 02:27.01 | WormFood | sed works on streams |
| 02:27.18 | WormFood | Akuw, try putting a "<" in front of "sample.txt" |
| 02:27.49 | WormFood | sed does not change files like that....if you want to operate sed on a file, you have to output it to a different filename |
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| 02:30.39 | abrotman | Akuw: man sed .. you can do it in-place |
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| 02:30.43 | Akuw | what is i want to change / by - ? |
| 02:30.50 | Akuw | ok now is working |
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| 02:32.36 | kaizoku | Do I need to use initrd for LVM? |
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| 02:33.39 | streuner_ | !initrd |
| 02:33.39 | dpkg | from memory, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
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| 02:36.51 | streuner_ | kaizoku: whats wrong with a Debian kernel? |
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| 02:36.58 | desynch | hi |
| 02:37.03 | kaizoku | Uhh, what? |
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| 02:37.15 | desynch | can i add on /etc/hosts.allow the line telnet: then host here |
| 02:37.25 | streuner_ | well, Debian kernels just use initrd :-) |
| 02:37.59 | Detox | hello folks ,,, would like ot know if the current debian build will work on a dell poweredge 4300 (ScSi Perc2 controller) |
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| 02:38.13 | desynch | hi all anyone to help |
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| 02:38.20 | abrotman | Detox: isn't that pretty old ? |
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| 02:38.33 | desynch | how will i add telnet access to my /etc/hosts.allow? |
| 02:38.53 | abrotman | you probably don't want to use telnet |
| 02:39.00 | Detox | yes |
| 02:39.01 | Detox | very |
| 02:39.17 | Detox | but got it for free and want to set it up and donate it |
| 02:39.30 | desynch | abrotman i will just use telnet to enable access to my eggdrop |
| 02:39.30 | abrotman | Detox: have you tried it? it's megaraid ? |
| 02:39.57 | abrotman | desynch: do not msg me, keep it in the channel |
| 02:40.03 | Detox | yes megaraid |
| 02:40.18 | Detox | win server 2003 was on it |
| 02:40.29 | abrotman | Detox: ISTR there is more than one megaraid driver in lenny, but i can't tell you for certain if it will work |
| 02:40.31 | Detox | but had to pull since it was not mine (os) |
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| 02:40.41 | Detox | ok |
| 02:40.48 | abrotman | Detox: do you have the PCI ID for the device? |
| 02:40.49 | desynch | abrotman how will i do that if i want to enable in my tcp wrapper telnet for the use of my eggdrop? |
| 02:40.59 | Detox | am DL'ing ubuntu ,,, will get "Real" Debian also |
| 02:41.00 | Detox | thanks |
| 02:41.06 | desynch | i will not be running telnetd |
| 02:41.19 | abrotman | so what are you going to do with it? |
| 02:41.43 | desynch | just telnet to the bot from the specific port |
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| 02:42.12 | desynch | because i can't access the bot thru telnet, because my tcp wrapper allows only sshd access |
| 02:42.43 | nvz | I'm not certain, but I think somehow my laptop turns screensaver back on everytime the lid switch activates |
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| 02:43.18 | nvz | I've been doing xset s off xset s noblank xset -dpms..etc way too many times in one session |
| 02:45.11 | nvz | things that take 5 minutes of waiting to figure out never been my specialty.. heh |
| 02:46.02 | nvz | did this work? idk.. wait 5 minutes and see.. |
| 02:46.04 | nvz | pfft |
| 02:46.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | laptop itself switches backlight off when the lid is closed |
| 02:46.28 | nvz | yeah I know that much |
| 02:46.40 | abrotman | nvz: probably /etc/acpi/lid.sh or something like that |
| 02:46.41 | nvz | but I'm saying... I turn off my screensaver in every way possible |
| 02:46.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | and xset s bla doesn't influence what xscreensaver//xlock//whatever does |
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| 02:47.03 | nvz | then it seems after like working all day, if I close the lid and reopen it, now its going to start blanking after 5 min again |
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| 02:47.23 | nvz | I don't have any screensaver software running |
| 02:47.37 | streuner_ | not GNOME by any chance? |
| 02:47.46 | nvz | I used to think it was xine doing this.. but now I'm not so sure |
| 02:47.58 | nvz | I use a custom session |
| 02:48.02 | nvz | no session manager |
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| 02:48.20 | streuner_ | nah, sreensaver doesnt work well with xine nowadays ;-) |
| 02:48.22 | nvz | sawfish, gnome-panel is pretty much the gist of it |
| 02:48.23 | abrotman | talks gibberish |
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| 02:48.33 | streuner_ | but that could be it |
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| 02:49.07 | nvz | I'll look into the acpi stuff and check in the bios.. there are some things I wanted to look at in there anyhow |
| 02:49.49 | nvz | this laptop also makes a loud sound when its removed from or put on AC power, and has 3 different alarms for warning battery, critical battery, and critical temp.. |
| 02:50.00 | boxxertrumps | World of Goo has a linux client |
| 02:50.16 | nvz | and thats all kinda built-in. only way to stop it is to hit the mute button on the laptop |
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| 02:50.32 | boxxertrumps | oh wow i didn't realised how far i was in the scrollback |
| 02:50.35 | nvz | its particularly annoying when I'm hooked up to the car stero |
| 02:50.46 | nvz | cause it blows your f'n eardrums out |
| 02:50.48 | nvz | heh |
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| 02:51.23 | nvz | my inverter lets me know more subtly about power issues |
| 02:51.49 | streuner | or just a bug |
| 02:51.57 | streuner | do you use stable? :-P |
| 02:52.25 | nvz | who me? |
| 02:52.43 | streuner | nah, Obama :-P |
| 02:52.50 | nvz | I'm using probably a bastardized lenny |
| 02:52.54 | nvz | who knows how current I am |
| 02:53.00 | streuner | haha |
| 02:53.41 | nvz | what kills me is now that I've been getting other people to use debian (newbies) they learn things and I see things on their systems I've never seen before |
| 02:53.59 | nvz | I'm stuck in my ways with old apps |
| 02:54.04 | mordy | newbian? |
| 02:54.12 | nvz | I mean I still haven't found a wm I like better than sawfish |
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| 02:54.26 | streuner | just use a DE :-P |
| 02:54.30 | nvz | blah |
| 02:54.39 | nvz | I'm on a pentium M.. I'm hurtin.. LOL |
| 02:54.42 | mordy | meh they're all a mess. |
| 02:55.03 | streuner | not if you have enough RAM and CPU |
| 02:55.05 | mordy | i'm trying to find a DE that plays nicely with other DEs. so far i've only found blackbox/lxde and icewm to play nicely |
| 02:55.17 | parolang | nvz: Have you tried xmonad? |
| 02:55.28 | nvz | I was mad though when I went to accessories in gnome-panel earlier and there was no calculator I am used to seeing on everyone else's machine |
| 02:55.37 | nvz | parolang: never heard of it |
| 02:55.52 | nvz | the real issue isn't CPU or RAM, its HD space |
| 02:56.08 | dbbolton | is there a way to make my wireless card connect to a specific ssid from the terminal? i'm sick of nm-applet |
| 02:56.14 | streuner | nvz: just forget that, second hand boxes are pretty cheap with usual power... |
| 02:56.18 | nvz | I got IBM restore partition, diagnostic partition, winxp, debian, and swap, all on a like 36GB drive |
| 02:56.19 | parolang | I have issues on all three accounts, been using a netbook as my primary machine :) |
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| 02:56.30 | mordy | dbbolton: just iwconfig $iface essid blah |
| 02:56.33 | mordy | or is it ssid |
| 02:57.02 | dbbolton | i just needed the iwconfig part, i'll read the man page now :) |
| 02:57.05 | mordy | nvz: wow.. how do you manage this? |
| 02:57.07 | parolang | nvz: xmonad is a tiling (anti-desktop) window manager. |
| 02:57.09 | streuner | nvz: RAM too, so no more headaches... |
| 02:57.20 | nvz | I'm not sure how I'd get a bigger hard drive setup and working in here like this one or I'd probably have done it.. I just dont wanna buy one and not be able to get it working right |
| 02:57.25 | nvz | I like the ibm stuff on here |
| 02:57.38 | mordy | what kind of machine is this? |
| 02:57.58 | nvz | I can press the f'n access IBM button and it restores XP back to factory (magic fix) and doesn't even so much as fuck with the linux bootloader |
| 02:58.25 | nvz | I like having that for times I wanna mess with windows and don't want the aggrivation |
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| 02:58.56 | nvz | I have 768mb ram, 1600mhz or so cpu, it performs well enough for most things |
| 02:59.09 | nvz | if I had nvidia graphics and a larger hd, I'd be happy |
| 02:59.15 | streuner | doesnt unterstand why people shoot into there own foots |
| 02:59.20 | mordy | sounds like a laptop |
| 02:59.27 | nvz | yeah its a stinkpad |
| 02:59.30 | nvz | T41 |
| 02:59.30 | streuner | nah, sounds like a mess :-P |
| 02:59.40 | nvz | reliable old POS |
| 02:59.45 | streuner | sure |
| 02:59.47 | mordy | dual quad xeons, 12GB here |
| 02:59.49 | nvz | I have so many spare parts its insane |
| 02:59.52 | snitko | got a problem with postfix virtual: http://pastie.org/508030, all mail for sub.domain.com goes to user1, should go to user2 |
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| 03:00.09 | nvz | got a ton of broken ones for parts, docks, power cords, all that |
| 03:00.28 | nvz | its like an out-of-production warrenty program |
| 03:00.30 | nvz | heh |
| 03:00.53 | nvz | I kept saying I was gonna get a netbook |
| 03:01.05 | nvz | I was eyeing the AspireOne or the Windbook |
| 03:01.18 | parolang | Netbooks are fun :) |
| 03:01.26 | parolang | But, don't use it for your main machine :) |
| 03:01.40 | nvz | I've had hands on experience with the Aspire.. the touchpad buttons being to the left/right of the pad annoys the shit out of me |
| 03:01.57 | nvz | well I'm back in business for myself full time.. working mostly out of my car.. |
| 03:02.03 | nvz | so.. its kinda ideal |
| 03:02.06 | dbbolton | i built a kernel package using make-kpkg and the --initrc flag, but it didn't make an initrd file. anyy suggestions? |
| 03:02.08 | parolang | What do you do? |
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| 03:02.17 | streuner | nvz: do you work in a car? |
| 03:02.18 | nvz | I'm a IT consultant |
| 03:02.32 | nvz | streuner: most things involving MY computer, yes |
| 03:02.37 | parolang | nvz: Someday I think it would be neat to use the touchpad for a gesture interface rather than mousing. |
| 03:02.44 | nvz | when I'm working on someone else's stuff, then usually no |
| 03:02.52 | parolang | I just don't know how to do it :) |
| 03:03.09 | nvz | parolang: yeah well you're talking changing the whole way the graphical interface works.. |
| 03:03.31 | nvz | parolang: and it would probably be a good idea |
| 03:03.41 | streuner | nvz: so a freelancer? |
| 03:03.42 | parolang | nvz: Not sure what you mean. |
| 03:03.45 | nvz | I mean thats why I like wms like ION and Sawfish so much |
| 03:03.55 | nvz | allows me to do less pointing and grunting |
| 03:04.22 | parolang | nvz: Oh...I guess with mouse-intensive apps that would make things somewhat difficult. |
| 03:04.38 | parolang | nvz: But, if you use the mouse a lot on a netbook, you're doing something wrong :) |
| 03:04.39 | nvz | streuner: yep. |
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| 03:04.59 | nvz | streuner: building a server right now for a guy who wants to be a porn tycoon |
| 03:05.06 | parolang | nvz: You could always plug a mouse into usb I guess. |
| 03:05.13 | nvz | streuner: no idea how thats gonna work out.. but I'm gonna make some money |
| 03:05.14 | streuner | nvz: haha |
| 03:05.42 | nvz | made like $1200 so far building a little 4u quad-core system |
| 03:05.51 | nvz | just ordered the HDs finally |
| 03:06.06 | nvz | decided to go with 3 x 500GB for like raid5 or something |
| 03:06.09 | streuner | heh, that sounds like a real "Nagos" :-P |
| 03:06.40 | nvz | I was originally going to grab up a cheap 1.5tb and just use that.. but then decided he should probably have raid |
| 03:06.41 | streuner | (leader of Farangi) |
| 03:06.51 | nvz | and didn't really need that much space to start with |
| 03:07.22 | parolang | streuner: I think you've successfully out-Trekked me :) |
| 03:07.33 | nvz | I had bought a Intel core2quad and the fucker didn't work.. still sitting on the RMA for that |
| 03:07.38 | streuner | parolang: hehe |
| 03:07.55 | parolang | sighs at the new Star Trek movie. |
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| 03:08.34 | nvz | I'd usually go with xeons but since I don't 100% believe in this guy's potential for success, and he didn't seem like he would be as likely to make me money if I charged him WAY more to build a server.. so I went with half-assed |
| 03:09.42 | streuner | parolang: well, i didnt see it yet, but parts of it arent that genius, IMHO |
| 03:09.51 | nvz | I did research it a bit, and the reason the Phenom x4 is cheaper than the Core2 Quad seems to be because its slower. or thats how I see it. they both have typically 4MB cache, but the intel has 4x1mb on the die, the phenom has like 1mb on the die, rest is l3 |
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| 03:11.12 | parolang | streuner: It's a good movie. Believe me, it is. It's just that...it's a reboot. Therefore nothing else in the trekverse has ever happenned. And there's none of the cool thinking that most good trek is made of. |
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| 03:11.30 | nvz | I was thinking of building myself a cheap phenom server too.. just for my business website.. I wanna do a bunch of custom apps and want em on my own server.. |
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| 03:11.53 | parolang | streuner: So, it makes me sad, and it makes me not care what happens next. It's not the trek we're used to. |
| 03:12.38 | nvz | I'm working on something like the big players have.. the E.T. phone home kinda software.. heh.. keep track of my clients needs and make both our lives easier |
| 03:12.51 | nvz | Dell, Hp, all of em have something like that now |
| 03:15.21 | nvz | idk, I'll shut up and go back to fondling my balls now.. |
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| 03:16.08 | nvz | for some reason my patience and attention span don't seem to be too great lately.. and yet I still manage to rant with the best of em |
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| 04:01.22 | zeroConfDev | i imagine nobody here really cares - but i gotta tell someone - I GOT HOT WATER :-) |
| 04:01.24 | zeroConfDev | wooohoooo |
| 04:01.25 | zeroConfDev | :-) |
| 04:01.27 | zeroConfDev | thanks everyone |
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| 04:04.29 | aaron__ | wtf? |
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| 04:06.52 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ..i have a big problem here ...i cant open nautilus as root from terminal or any program ...this showed up --> http://pastebin.com/d2e97fdab |
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| 04:16.56 | cobra-the-joker | any suggestions will be appreciated :D |
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| 04:16.56 | unop | cobra-the-joker, did you become root there? |
| 04:16.56 | cobra-the-joker | yes |
| 04:16.56 | cobra-the-joker | su |
| 04:16.57 | unop | cobra-the-joker, use gksu then. gksu nautilus |
| 04:16.57 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
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| 04:17.15 | cobra-the-joker | unop ...but why all the program aint running under root access ??? |
| 04:17.46 | macrobat | root cannot have access to the X server, its asecurity risk |
| 04:18.06 | unop | cobra-the-joker, because the environment is not setup appropriately .. the DISPLAY variable is not set |
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| 04:18.36 | cobra-the-joker | mmmmm....how can i set it right ?? |
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| 04:19.38 | unop | cobra-the-joker, usually, you use gksu or gksudo (as a normal user) and they do the job for you. but export DISPLAY=:0.0 will do |
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| 04:19.58 | cobra-the-joker | to where ? |
| 04:20.06 | unop | in the shell |
| 04:20.13 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
| 04:20.48 | unop | cobra-the-joker, beware tho, the value you set for DISPLAY differs from machine to machine |
| 04:21.10 | unop | check what it is before you issued su and use the same value afterwards |
| 04:21.10 | cobra-the-joker | seems like that ...as it didnt work here |
| 04:21.32 | cobra-the-joker | i think it was all zeros |
| 04:22.34 | cobra-the-joker | i will restart and see what happens |
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| 04:23.22 | supersoundguy | the X server will still deny the connection even if you set DISPLAY in a root shell |
| 04:23.25 | supersoundguy | man xhost |
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| 04:24.39 | macrobat | its a feature, not a bug |
| 04:25.33 | unop | on my system (squeeze) there are no xhost restrictions for root |
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| 04:26.21 | unop | infact, I can't find any restrictions at all |
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| 04:27.00 | nirupama | will a checkinstall command create a complete deb package or it creates a deb package for the modifications only |
| 04:27.09 | cobra-the-joker | same |
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| 04:27.36 | cobra-the-joker | it really differs when using XAA rather than using EXX |
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| 04:28.12 | cobra-the-joker | its amazing to see how a small change can do that big differnece |
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| 04:29.43 | nirupama | can anybody explain about checkinstall. |
| 04:30.02 | cobra-the-joker | man ......google is the best companiond :d |
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| 04:55.33 | enouf | useradd has a file in /etc/default/useradd for variations to all additionally added users |
| 04:56.12 | enouf | oh ,, that was like 10 hrs ago ,,, sorry |
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| 05:00.22 | enouf | nirupama: explain what? |
| 05:00.33 | enouf | !checkinstall |
| 05:00.33 | dpkg | [checkinstall] a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because of bug #281823 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724 Ask me about <stow>. |
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| 05:01.22 | enouf | !listvals paco |
| 05:01.24 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'paco' by value returned no results. |
| 05:01.29 | enouf | ewww |
| 05:02.22 | enouf | nirupama: don't use checkinstall unless absolutely necessary and you know what you're doing |
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| 05:03.16 | nirupama | enouf, thanks for your reply.But I have this query.How to save my modifications and build the package.My modification is in ./configure(I added an option ./configure --enable-so) |
| 05:03.24 | enouf | nirupama: "modifications only"? |
| 05:03.53 | nirupama | enouf, I want the whole package with modifications |
| 05:04.03 | enouf | nirupama: is the source debian source? |
| 05:04.10 | nirupama | enouf, yes |
| 05:04.21 | nirupama | enouf, do i need to do it in rules file? |
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| 05:04.45 | enouf | nirupama: /msg dpkg package compile ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 05:06.38 | nirupama | enouf, I know dpkg-buildpackage is for building the package.what about the configuration details?Will it get stored |
| 05:06.52 | enouf | nirupama: for the sake of proper english writing, please add a space after every period ('.') At the beginning of each sentence |
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| 05:07.26 | enouf | nirupama: your pkg will be a custom one |
| 05:07.41 | enouf | nirupama: don't use checkinstall unless absolutely necessary and you know what you're doing |
| 05:07.47 | enouf | ooops |
| 05:08.20 | nirupama | enouf, so what is the process |
| 05:08.46 | enouf | 00:57 < enouf> nirupama: /msg dpkg package compile ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
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| 05:15.15 | enouf | nirupama: sorry - the 1st factoid is not correct (non-existant), but the 2nd one is |
| 05:15.37 | enouf | nirupama: also /msg dpkg package basics |
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| 05:16.54 | enouf | nirupama: the debian/rules is basically a make file, however you also need to edit other debian/* files such as maybe version and changelog, etc |
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| 05:17.43 | nirupama | enouf, that is what by doubt is. I want to store the configuration details. |
| 05:18.05 | nirupama | enouf, could you let me know what file we have to edit for putting the configuration parameters |
| 05:18.25 | nirupama | enouf, I did not do anything with make |
| 05:18.51 | enouf | nirupama: you pass ./configure the --prefix=/usr/local which should be default |
| 05:19.30 | enouf | nirupama: try ./configure --help |
| 05:19.59 | nirupama | enouf, could you be a bit clear. |
| 05:20.05 | enouf | nirupama: the pkg management doesn't touch /usr/local/ |
| 05:20.13 | nirupama | enouf, ./configure --help has given me the necesary parameter |
| 05:20.26 | enouf | nirupama: echo $PATH |
| 05:20.30 | nirupama | but when I do dokg-buildpackage will that paraeter get stored automatically |
| 05:20.57 | enouf | !mentors |
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| 05:20.57 | dpkg | it has been said that mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 05:21.20 | cobra-the-joker | i cant find cairo dock in the debian repo.....where i can find it ? |
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| 05:23.01 | enouf | judd: versions cairo dock |
| 05:23.01 | judd | enouf: cairo -- |
| 05:23.07 | enouf | judd: versions cairo |
| 05:23.07 | judd | enouf: cairo -- |
| 05:23.12 | enouf | heh |
| 05:23.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was the same |
| 05:23.35 | enouf | judd: versions egyptian pyramids |
| 05:23.36 | judd | enouf: egyptian -- |
| 05:23.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you can't find it because it's not there? |
| 05:24.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, Bahnhof?! Aeguebdn?! |
| 05:25.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | cobra-the-joker, did you already run apt-cache search cairo --names-only |
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| 05:25.22 | cobra-the-joker | no |
| 05:25.22 | enouf | !8ball is there a river called deNile in egypt? |
| 05:25.22 | dpkg | Negative. |
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| 05:25.40 | cobra-the-joker | its named the nile :D |
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| 05:26.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are rubys in cairo |
| 05:26.15 | cobra-the-joker | rubys ??? |
| 05:26.20 | enouf | is partial to amazonians :-P |
| 05:26.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | libcairo-ruby,libcairo-ruby1.8,libcairo-ruby1.9 |
| 05:26.43 | cobra-the-joker | aha |
| 05:26.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and camels :) |
| 05:27.04 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
| 05:27.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ocamels |
| 05:27.23 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: two humps only please :-) |
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| 05:27.34 | cobra-the-joker | i love camels and horses ...i ride them twice or more a weak |
| 05:27.35 | cobra-the-joker | :D |
| 05:27.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | also perls and people with guile |
| 05:28.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | they start out with one hump... until the smuggler must hide all those rubies and pearls |
| 05:28.07 | cobra-the-joker | what may surprise you ...is that i am from cairo ...lol |
| 05:28.22 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: learn apt-cache and /msg dpkg search and see man apt-cache and see --names-only option |
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| 05:28.30 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
| 05:29.31 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: Pirates of the Caribbean Camels? |
| 05:29.45 | cobra-the-joker | so CutMeOwnThroat , what should i install ?? |
| 05:30.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that would be good, wouldn't it... more pirates, less global warming |
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| 05:30.11 | enouf | two 'r's or two 'b's ... i forget |
| 05:30.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | cobra-the-joker, well, if you can't find it... I can't either... not everything is packaged for debian |
| 05:30.36 | cobra-the-joker | mmmm...ok |
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| 05:31.07 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: not for the Somalians ,,, anyways - WAY offtopic ,,, btw, ,,oh nm |
| 05:31.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could throw some extra 'm' or 'l' into Camel :) |
| 05:31.17 | cobra-the-joker | i think i will get awn instead of cairo -dokc |
| 05:31.45 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: which debian release? |
| 05:31.51 | enouf | !version |
| 05:31.51 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
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| 05:32.09 | cobra-the-joker | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 05:32.18 | cobra-the-joker | debian 5 |
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| 05:32.30 | enouf | !5 |
| 05:32.31 | dpkg | 5 is, like, the holy number of Discordianism. |
| 05:32.36 | enouf | heh |
| 05:32.40 | cobra-the-joker | :D |
| 05:32.47 | cobra-the-joker | lenny maybe :) |
| 05:32.56 | enouf | !topicsmite me |
| 05:32.57 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon enouf. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 05:33.59 | enouf | yes, Lenny .. so .. no idea, i run squeeze/sid .. you could search p.d.o and /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 05:34.18 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
| 05:34.29 | enouf | !pdo |
| 05:34.30 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 05:45.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, I have a quick answer |
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| 05:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's yes |
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| 05:57.51 | enouf | wonderous |
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| 05:59.07 | qiyong | how can I get apt-mirror to mirror two arch's ? |
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| 05:59.31 | enouf | !apt-mirror |
| 05:59.31 | dpkg | well, apt-mirror is a tool for making a local mirror for any apt source, look at http://apt-mirror.sf.net |
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| 06:00.25 | g00se | I seem to have developed an X problem: can't log in, tho i'm 100% certain that i'm giving slim the right credentials and my cap lock isn't on |
| 06:01.12 | enouf | !dm |
| 06:01.12 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers |
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| 06:02.25 | g00se | enouf: my DM is slim. startx from the command line fails too |
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| 06:03.17 | enouf | pastebin the command and errors? |
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| 06:04.17 | enouf | g00se: slim sounds like an x-window-manager, not a DM, but ... |
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| 06:04.49 | g00se | enouf: my WM is xfce4 |
| 06:05.25 | enouf | ok |
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| 06:05.56 | g00se | tailing .xsession-errors gives "open: Permission denied" |
| 06:06.26 | enouf | try as root update-alternatives --config x[tab][tab] |
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| 06:06.42 | Brune_ | alright so I have a problem with internet |
| 06:06.56 | enouf | then choose each and configure each |
| 06:07.06 | Brune_ | i want to do the eqivlient of a ipconfig /release /new on windows or /etc/netstart restart on freebsd, what am I looking for? |
| 06:07.21 | g00se | enouf: Ooh. Sounds a bit radical ;-) |
| 06:07.54 | enouf | Brune_: you must be joking .. or wrong channel |
| 06:08.14 | g00se | enouf: Also there was a mention of a segfault in dmesg |
| 06:08.39 | Brune_ | enouf: no, i just want to renew my internet connection |
| 06:08.43 | Brune_ | how can i do this? |
| 06:08.43 | enouf | g00se: not good .. usually |
| 06:08.48 | g00se | (In xfce4-session) |
| 06:08.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Brune_, like.. ./etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
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| 06:09.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | mind that this won't interrupt existing sshs etc. |
| 06:09.33 | Brune_ | CutMeOwnThroat: but that doesn't end up renewing my ip, it just ends up removing my ifconfig alias |
| 06:09.53 | enouf | renewing from where? |
| 06:09.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | "renew your ip"? |
| 06:09.56 | Brune_ | so instead of requesting dhcp gives me a new ip, I end up with nothing |
| 06:10.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Brune_, dhclient |
| 06:10.08 | Brune_ | thank you |
| 06:10.18 | enouf | you have an unexpired lease |
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| 06:10.28 | mathias | hi everybody, I am using the open-iscsi packages from debian lenny which brings the iscsiadm command to connect to iscsi targets. I was wondering how to specify a single LUN to connect to. Right now I get all LUNs on the Target visible in /dev |
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| 06:11.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | g00se, how do you start that slime... err... slim |
| 06:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, not wonderous... there's such a lot of people with a "quick question"... one also needs to provide a quick answer from time to time |
| 06:12.03 | enouf | mathias: anything in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> ? how about the man pages? |
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| 06:12.18 | g00se | CutMeOwnThroat: Well not manually. But as i mentioned above, startx fails on its own |
| 06:12.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | is your disk full? :) |
| 06:12.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean /home |
| 06:13.08 | mathias | enouf: how about stfu? I read the iscsiadm man page |
| 06:13.16 | g00se | Hang on. There is a weird thing going on - /tmp seems to be unwritable for me... |
| 06:13.26 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: no idea what you're on about, though i recognize the reference ... "let it slide" er slime :-P |
| 06:13.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... our mounted ro |
| 06:13.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, I meant the quick answer from above, before ppl came back in |
| 06:13.57 | g00se | Well i don't think so. I'll just check |
| 06:13.58 | enouf | mathias: wonderful -- have fun in the bozo box |
| 06:14.15 | mathias | enouf: whatever that is ... |
| 06:14.32 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't see parts/joins and shit |
| 06:14.35 | g00se | mount says everything is rw |
| 06:15.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, can you make a new file in /home? |
| 06:15.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does ls -la $HOME/.Xauthority say? |
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| 06:16.01 | g00se | Yet 'Cannot touch /tmp/foo: Permission denied' wtf? |
| 06:16.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ls -la /tmp |
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| 06:16.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, mount doesn't necessarily tell you that something is mounted ro |
| 06:17.10 | liable | did you mount it noexec? |
| 06:17.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I think the error is not a simple permission denied for a ro fs |
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| 06:17.49 | Brune_ | CutMeOwnThroat: that fixed it exactly |
| 06:17.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | does X need exectutables in /tmp? |
| 06:18.11 | Brune_ | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks a bunch |
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| 06:18.13 | g00se | This is just too bizarre. /tmp is full of *yesterday's* files! |
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| 06:18.50 | oh_noes | * 3 */1 * * /foobar --- is valid yeah? |
| 06:19.07 | oh_noes | I always forget the 'slash' notation, if it's */n or 0/n |
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| 06:21.47 | g00se | Yes, the disk is mounted rw but /tmp is only writable for root. Why would that be? |
| 06:23.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not as if I asked you stuff |
| 06:23.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | <CutMeOwnThroat> ls -lad /tmp |
| 06:24.48 | kaizoku | Uhh, so I'm trying to build a kernel for a system with a root on an LVM partition on a RAID1, and I'm having serious issues |
| 06:24.49 | g00se | All these years and i've missed that -d switch to ls ;-) |
| 06:25.03 | kaizoku | First of all, the installer won't create an initrd |
| 06:25.14 | kaizoku | and then when I manually create one it still won't boot |
| 06:25.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | you forgot to also encrypt / :) |
| 06:26.13 | kaizoku | Heh |
| 06:26.24 | kaizoku | Yeah, I'm sure that would have made this all a million times easier |
| 06:26.36 | g00se | utMeOwnThroat: Yes - it's writable only by root. IOW it won't be able to put my X temp files in there |
| 06:27.51 | g00se | CutMeOwnThroat: But why is it i wonder? What are the possible reasons? Just done a smart check on the device and it said it's OK |
| 06:28.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could have pasted a line likee drwxrwxrwt 25 root root 2024 Jun 11 01:25 /tmp |
| 06:29.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, perhaps you got hacked and the guy tried to install a rootkit which chmod go-w /tmp |
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| 06:29.59 | g00se | It's difficult to paste anything ;-) |
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| 06:31.18 | g00se | As it happens, it's drwxr-xr-x 11 root root etc. |
| 06:31.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... install gpm.... or pastebinit |
| 06:32.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | or both :) |
| 06:32.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | (just realized that pastebinit wouldn't have done a helluva good for pasting a single line) |
| 06:32.36 | g00se | There's also another little nasty: when i have no X, i have no pipe character ;-) |
| 06:32.36 | kingsley | Why would the "ls" and "rm" commands find certain files when run as root, but not find them when run as a normal user under sudo, when the commands and normal user are permitted in /etc/sudoers? |
| 06:33.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | they wouldn't |
| 06:33.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | (that was easy) |
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| 06:33.31 | kingsley | The commands and user were added to /etc/sudoers with visudo, and other commands in /etc/sudoers work for the same user. |
| 06:33.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | you probably mean "find certain commands"? |
| 06:34.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | root has a different PATH than normal users... su and su - are different... and only who uses sudo can know how that behaves (I don't) |
| 06:34.32 | kingsley | CutMeOwnThroat: The "ls" and "rm" commands are reporting "No such file or directory" when run under sudo, but not when run by root. |
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| 06:36.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm not sure what you're talking about |
| 06:38.15 | kingsley | CutMeOwnThroat: Perhaps I owe you an apology for being too terse. |
| 06:38.15 | omid8bimo | is thinking about moving to 2.6.30 !! |
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| 06:39.33 | kingsley | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm perplexed that the "ls" and "rm" commands find files in a certain directory when run as root, but fail to find the files in that directory when run under "sudo" by a normal user. |
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| 06:39.42 | kingsley | CutMeOwnThroat: Does that make sense? |
| 06:39.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | kaizoku, 1) why recompile... there are nice precompiled kernels... 2) how do you do it ( /msg dpkg kernel compile and/or /msg dpkg compile kernel) |
| 06:39.55 | g00se | CutMeOwnThroat: That was a weird one. chmod og+w /tmp;startx fixed it. Rebooted again and it looks OK so far... |
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| 06:40.06 | WormFood | kingsley, what is the command line you are using? |
| 06:40.18 | kingsley | WormFood: Thanks for asking. |
| 06:40.31 | kingsley | WormFood: I'm using two command lines. |
| 06:40.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | kingsley, so it's not 'ls' that is not found... WHAT file... pastebin what you did |
| 06:40.52 | WormFood | yeah, what CutMeOwnThroat said...do it, and pastebin it |
| 06:40.59 | kingsley | WormFood: I'll show you the command line that uses "rm". |
| 06:41.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, use ls :) |
| 06:41.15 | WormFood | don't flood the channel |
| 06:41.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not wonderous that the file is gone after you used rm... |
| 06:41.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | not at all, actually :) |
| 06:41.57 | kingsley | CutMeOwnThroat: OK, I'll show the command that uses "ls". |
| 06:42.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | pastebinit both... |
| 06:42.17 | kingsley | sudo ls $wiki_media_dir/* $wiki_text_dir/* | wc -l |
| 06:42.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, right |
| 06:42.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | where do you set $wiki_text_dir? |
| 06:43.51 | WormFood | well, for starters, I suggest you include everything in double quotes...it may or may not help (I doubt it will help), but is a good idea in general |
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| 06:43.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | in one case it'll be unset |
| 06:44.01 | kingsley | CutMeOwnThroat: That's a reasonable question. I set $wiki_text_dir upstream, and "set -xv" reveals that it's assigned a proper value... |
| 06:44.25 | kingsley | ls: cannot access /var/lib/dokuwiki/data/media/how_we_change_with_time/*: No such file |
| 06:44.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, can a normal user read /var/lib/dokuwiki/data/media/how_we_change_with_time/? |
| 06:44.52 | jony123 | hello everyone i was wondering if i could create a user and then only allow them bitween 1m and 24h of login time like the time starts depleting once they have loged in is this possible? |
| 06:45.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | kingsley, when you use sudo, the * is expanded as a normal user... |
| 06:45.53 | kingsley | However, when I cut and paste the command, with the expanded variable/path into a root xterm, it works. |
| 06:45.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's the shell that expands * |
| 06:45.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | and not 'ls' |
| 06:46.10 | kingsley | CutMeOwnThroat: No, a normal user can not read /var/lib/dokuwiki/data/media/how_we_change_with_time/ |
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| 06:46.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, that's it |
| 06:46.20 | WormFood | sure jony123, write your own program to do it for you :P |
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| 06:46.49 | kingsley | CutMeOwnThroat: I like your explanation that the shell, and not ls command, expanded the *. |
| 06:47.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't need to like it... it's true :) |
| 06:47.12 | simonrvn | um, it's a fact |
| 06:47.24 | WormFood | kingsley, also your "ls" line is wrong for what you want to do....you want to use "ls -1" (that is a one, not the letter "L") with wc -l |
| 06:47.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, two idiots one thought |
| 06:47.36 | jony123 | WormFood no chance their is a program already writen? |
| 06:47.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are all kinds of pam modules |
| 06:48.00 | WormFood | jony123, perhaps, but I'm not aware of one offhand |
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| 06:48.09 | jony123 | ok WormFood |
| 06:48.13 | WormFood | CutMeOwnThroat, can pam handle forceful logout? |
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| 06:48.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think so... that's not what pam is for |
| 06:48.48 | WormFood | kingsley, do you have root password on the machine you're working with? |
| 06:48.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | he didn't ask that, though :) |
| 06:48.58 | WormFood | I didn't think so either, but I was asking |
| 06:49.03 | WormFood | that is what he wants CutMeOwnThroat |
| 06:49.21 | WormFood | he wants to give, or sell, someone time on his server, and when they've used it up,, they get logged out. |
| 06:49.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, I know... but not my fault if he leaves that leeway in the question :) |
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| 06:49.33 | kingsley | WormFood: Yes, I do. |
| 06:50.02 | WormFood | kingsley, yes, you do what? |
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| 06:50.07 | jony123 | WormFood the users will connect via ssh and wont have any privleges |
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| 06:50.37 | kingsley | WormFood: <WormFood> kingsley, do you have root password on the machine you're working with? |
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| 06:51.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, I'm pretty sure something similar exists, though... CPU time used to be expensive, 30 years ago |
| 06:51.35 | WormFood | kingsley, why in the hell are you dicking around with sudo in the first place? |
| 06:51.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell jony123 -about search |
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| 06:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 06:51.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | good question |
| 06:52.04 | WormFood | kingsley, seriously, open another windows/terminal, and only...ONLY do ROOT stuff in that window |
| 06:52.17 | WormFood | I don't even use sudo |
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| 06:52.35 | WormFood | if I'm a user, and I need to execute something as root, I just type su -c "command to run as room" |
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| 06:52.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | jony123, have a look at the acct package |
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| 06:53.37 | WormFood | kingsley, are you doing this on a local machine or a remote machine? |
| 06:53.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jony123, also 'sac' ... well, search for yourself, dpkg told you how |
| 06:54.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I feel kinda disinclined to search further for him... if he's getting paid for this and he's billing people, he should do his work himself :) |
| 06:54.35 | ajavid | which packages would I need in order to run the 64bit kernel in i386 userland |
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| 06:55.05 | ajavid | linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 <- is this all? |
| 06:55.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | linux-image-XXX-amd64? |
| 06:55.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 06:55.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | mind, you cannot have an nvidia kernel module then |
| 06:55.35 | WormFood | CutMeOwnThroat, I don't know if he is getting paid for it, but just the type of request sounds like either someone is paying him, or he is trying to help someone, but does not want them to abuse his server. |
| 06:55.50 | ajavid | i only use free drivers |
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| 06:56.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | just warning you |
| 06:56.09 | ajavid | i need .29 or higher on it |
| 06:56.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's possible now... I tried 1-2 years ago and it was totally impossible |
| 06:57.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think because you need the 64-bit gcc or something... don't remember exactly |
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| 06:58.12 | tapan_chugh | which package contains alsa/asoundlib.h |
| 06:58.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell tapan_chugh -about apt-file |
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| 06:59.24 | jony123 | WormFood its on my server and yea i want to help mates and charge some people also (not my mates) but don't want it to be abused |
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| 06:59.49 | jony123 | Ok one more question could i make it so that they cannot cd anywhere else but their home directory? |
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| 07:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 07:00.34 | jony123 | hello everyone i was wondering if i could create a user and then only allow them bitween 1m and 24h of login time like the time starts depleting once they have loged in is this possible? |
| 07:00.43 | jony123 | hello everyone i was wondering if i could create a user and then only allow them bitween 1m and 24h of login time like the time starts depleting once they have loged in is this possible? |
| 07:00.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh |
| 07:00.47 | jony123 | hello everyone i was wondering if i could create a user and then only allow them bitween 1m and 24h of login time like the time starts depleting once they have loged in is this possible? |
| 07:00.56 | jony123 | hello everyone i was wondering if i could create a user and then only allow them bitween 1m and 24h of login time like the time starts depleting once they have loged in is this possible? |
| 07:01.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 07:01.05 | jony123 | sotrry |
| 07:01.06 | jony123 | forgive me mercyfull ones |
| 07:01.08 | jony123 | sorry |
| 07:01.15 | jony123 | i forgot my mouse server is on |
| 07:01.29 | jony123 | was gnna post it on a diff channel |
| 07:01.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | you really know how to piss people off, now do you |
| 07:01.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway... |
| 07:02.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | just do chmod go-rx /home/*/ (or perhaps just chmod go-r) |
| 07:02.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's totally not useful to try to prevent people from reading /bin etc. etc. |
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| 07:03.04 | jony123 | i can make it so it doesnt give them any results with dir |
| 07:04.11 | jony123 | CutMeOwnThroat i thought i was using my other computer with X were u can right click and copy |
| 07:04.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could... |
| 07:05.03 | jmd | dig crashes on classless PTR lookups |
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| 07:05.15 | omid8bimo | laptop still freeze when staring a KVM on AMD64 machine :( |
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| 07:07.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | as I said... chmod go-r /home/*/ and keep it up for new accounts |
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| 07:14.46 | kaizoku | CutMeOwnThroat: The "nice" precompiled kernels aren't so nice |
| 07:15.00 | kaizoku | CutMeOwnThroat: They have all kinds of crap I don't need, and they're way slower than a kernel I make for myself |
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| 07:16.06 | AussieGuy | hi, would someone be able to check if they can get to my web server on port 80? I want to see if my ISP is blocking it |
| 07:16.15 | AussieGuy | http://220.101.170.252/ is the address |
| 07:16.40 | fsckroot | AussieGuy: I can access the server. |
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| 07:17.08 | AussieGuy | ah k thanks for that, was worried a live site I had up was down for a month, with me thinking it was up :) |
| 07:17.36 | pabs3 | anyone know what these locale warnings in apt-get are caused by? http://paste.debian.net/38694/ |
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| 07:19.13 | jmd | AussieGuy, It's a good idea to set up a cron job to query your services on a daily basis. |
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| 07:19.41 | WormFood | jmd, it may be better to run a monitoring service, depending on how critical it is |
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| 07:20.17 | WormFood | I think I used to use netsaint back in the old days....I think that project changed their name now. |
| 07:20.21 | jmd | Well, cron can be used as a monitoring service, albeit a crude one. |
| 07:20.35 | WormFood | I just noticed you were directing that at someone else. |
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| 07:21.10 | WormFood | if you're providing services for someone else, it is always a good idea to have some sort of monitoring service going on |
| 07:22.03 | jmd | ... or if you're relying on someone else to provide services for you ! |
| 07:24.32 | WormFood | indeed |
| 07:24.35 | simonrvn | name's nagios now |
| 07:24.41 | simonrvn | (netsaint) |
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| 07:25.56 | WormFood | yeah, I remember it was something that started with an N, and sounded spanish |
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| 07:28.30 | jmd | I've found it particularly useful to have cron job which digs my secondary nameservers on a daily basis. |
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| 07:45.38 | Techdeck | hey guys, I have a directory on which I want the permissions to always start at rw,rw,r but I can't manage to do so, if I umask 002 it it works for the time being, but in a new shell it doesn't, I need it to remain this way |
| 07:46.26 | WormFood | set your umask in your .bash_profile or .bashrc not sure which one it truly belongs in |
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| 07:46.48 | Techdeck | WormFood, problem is I'm not sure it's done using a shell... |
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| 07:46.59 | Techdeck | I have a java application that does some mv'ing |
| 07:47.05 | Techdeck | (using java functions) |
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| 07:47.44 | nkuttler | !permissions |
| 07:47.44 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 07:47.45 | Techdeck | what is defining it to be defaultly rw-r-r ? |
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| 07:48.34 | nkuttler | iirc setgid, check the wiki |
| 07:48.46 | Techdeck | which one? :P |
| 07:48.53 | nkuttler | wooledge |
| 07:49.09 | Techdeck | thanks |
| 07:50.06 | nkuttler | hm, no looks like that's just ownership |
| 07:50.17 | Techdeck | yeah :\ |
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| 07:50.42 | nkuttler | then it's umask, java certainly allows you to set that |
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| 07:51.10 | Techdeck | I prefer not changing it in the code, I was wondering where is it set to 022 defaultly |
| 07:51.41 | nkuttler | i would guess that's inherited from the shell |
| 07:51.53 | Techdeck | I don't think it even has a shell |
| 07:52.23 | WormFood | you *may* need to change it in the kernel if you want it to be a default |
| 07:52.33 | WormFood | you need to do some research and understand how things work |
| 07:52.37 | nkuttler | Techdeck: how is your app run? |
| 07:52.53 | WormFood | somewhere along the line, it is being set, and everything after that inherits that setting |
| 07:53.12 | Techdeck | nkuttler, it's ran on tomcat |
| 07:54.00 | WormFood | grep -r umask /etc <-- try this, and see what you get |
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| 07:54.18 | WormFood | most likely whatever you need to change will be in /etc |
| 07:54.54 | nkuttler | Techdeck: debian services are launched by shell scripts, so yes, shell inherited |
| 07:54.55 | Techdeck | hehe WormFood, already in the middle of that :P |
| 07:55.58 | Techdeck | ok thanks guys |
| 07:56.41 | Techdeck | argh you are right nkuttler |
| 07:56.47 | Techdeck | I see the 022 in the shell script that runs tomcat |
| 07:56.48 | Techdeck | thank you! |
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| 07:58.15 | nirupama | while building deb package for apache I got following error |
| 07:58.16 | nirupama | libtool: link: `log.lo' is not a valid libtool object |
| 07:58.16 | nirupama | make[3]: *** [libmain.la] Error 1 |
| 07:58.16 | nirupama | make[3]: Leaving directory `/root/apache2/apache2-2.2.8/debian/build-tree/worker/server' |
| 07:58.16 | nirupama | make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
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| 07:58.25 | nirupama | dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2 |
| 07:58.35 | nirupama | can anybody suggest what is wrong |
| 07:58.37 | simonrvn | !tell nirupama -about paste |
| 07:58.51 | nirupama | simonrvn, ok |
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| 07:59.07 | nirupama | but can you help me in telling what went wrong in my building |
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| 07:59.42 | caraconan | Hi. The 'from' header in a mail send with 'mail' through postfix is determined by wich of them? |
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| 08:06.07 | gboi | hi |
| 08:06.19 | gboi | hey does anyone know much abotu netbook batteries? |
| 08:06.34 | gboi | i.e. when they start to run out can you buy a replacement and how much do they go for |
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| 08:08.37 | simonrvn | nirupama: build error |
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| 08:15.38 | simonrvn | i don't have time to help you with that, sorry |
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| 08:20.31 | jony123 | whats the command to log a user out? |
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| 08:21.21 | jony123 | like if im logeed in normally and both user 1 and 2 are loged on via ssh and i want user 2 to logoff |
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| 08:22.55 | fefo | jony123: ?? exit ? |
| 08:23.11 | fefo | or you want to logout someone else ? |
| 08:23.18 | liable | and why? |
| 08:23.34 | fefo | if yes, kill his bash/tcsh whatever |
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| 08:24.58 | simonrvn | !slay |
| 08:24.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, slay is a handy utility that sends a given signal (kill by default) to all processes of the given user(s) |
| 08:25.24 | nsadmin | just play with slay because it's the way |
| 08:26.32 | jony123 | logout someone else |
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| 08:31.52 | jony123 | ok now is their anyway to return all the users loged on to the system? |
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| 08:32.38 | WormFood | who |
| 08:32.43 | themill | jony123: "users" "w" or "who" |
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| 08:33.43 | jony123 | hmm |
| 08:33.58 | jony123 | brb |
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| 08:37.41 | jony123 | when i excitcute `users' it returns with all the users loged in eg jony123 alex ryan , now is their a way in a shell script to see if a certain user is logged in and if they are do it does something |
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| 08:38.36 | _Brandon_ | anyone knows if there is a nat helper for vnc like nat2nat from ultravnc that works on linux? |
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| 08:39.18 | mischief | what do you mean a 'nat helper'? |
| 08:39.33 | _Brandon_ | mischief: http://www.uvnc.com/addons/nat2nat.html |
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| 08:40.18 | zepho | what was the name of the ncurses program to determine which service get starting at boottime? |
| 08:40.28 | _Brandon_ | zepho: sysv-rc-conf |
| 08:40.47 | zepho | hm, there was another one, starting similar to rcrc or rcc |
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| 08:42.09 | zepho | anyways sysv-rc-conf works fine for me, thx :) |
| 08:43.14 | themill | !rcconf |
| 08:43.14 | dpkg | methinks rcconf is a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> |
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| 08:46.10 | Akiva | Hello. I am setting up an RSA key pair for my remote and server PCs. I followed this just fine: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-keyc.html |
| 08:46.22 | Akiva | but afterwards when I try to log in, it still asks for my password, not passphrase |
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| 08:46.51 | Akiva | It is not taking the steps into account at all. I have also CHMODed the file 600 as per http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Using_SSH_Keys#Copying_the_keys_to_the_remote_server |
| 08:46.56 | Akiva | Can anyone assist me? |
| 08:47.49 | gromgull | Hello there - my many times updated debian, now at current testing takes many minutes to boot. Bootchart shows udevadm, udevd and net.agent wait around 30s .... can I fix this somehow? |
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| 08:50.59 | pozic | Is there a command which simply returns the full pathname of the inputfile? |
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| 08:56.46 | Phasy13 | what are the default rights for the home folders of users? |
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| 08:57.43 | nsadmin | probably 0755 |
| 08:58.08 | nsadmin | you might be able to change the default with usermod |
| 08:58.18 | octane- | pozic: explain 'inputfile'. |
| 08:59.04 | gromgull | hmm - on my more freshly installed debian machine /etc/init.d/networking is never started... is this no longer nescessary? |
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| 08:59.13 | mazzanet | ok |
| 08:59.20 | mazzanet | i run the testing branch |
| 08:59.30 | mazzanet | how do i hold all kde packges at 3.5? |
| 08:59.46 | heroxbd | How to prevent usb kernel modules from being automatically loaded? |
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| 09:00.17 | suwro | hello |
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| 09:00.32 | suwro | I am trying to compile ipp2p and I get this err: |
| 09:00.32 | suwro | make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686' |
| 09:00.32 | suwro | scripts/Makefile.build:41: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 09:00.35 | sylvain_ | high |
| 09:00.53 | sylvain_ | Someone could help me please ? |
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| 09:01.40 | pozic | octane-: command /home/foo/bar should return /home/foo/bar command . should return the full directory name and so on. |
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| 09:01.49 | nsadmin | to please, you have to do something pleasing for someone |
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| 09:02.02 | nkuttler | !tell sylvain_ about ask |
| 09:02.47 | sylvain_ | ok, i have many logs in differente directoris (i use syslog-ng ) |
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| 09:03.31 | sylvain_ | so i want test if the log of the day exist ( example : 2009-06-11.log) |
| 09:03.50 | sylvain_ | i want to make bash script |
| 09:03.56 | sylvain_ | but how make it |
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| 09:04.31 | nkuttler | sylvain_: man bash, conditional expressions |
| 09:04.36 | suwro | old logs are compressed with gzip, use a find and gzcat |
| 09:04.51 | octane- | pozic: there are quite a few things to consider for that to work in all cases. i suggest you come up with your own combination of basename, dirname, and so on. |
| 09:04.54 | sylvain_ | ok, but what use while or if |
| 09:05.17 | suwro | sylvain_: use find with exec |
| 09:05.19 | nkuttler | sylvain_: i'd use if. you might want to read the bash scription howto and maybe go to #bash |
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| 09:05.39 | sylvain_ | ok thanks |
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| 09:11.21 | suwro | what can I use to block p2p traffic - ipp2p cant be compiled any more |
| 09:11.46 | suwro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:12.38 | nirupama | simonrvn, what I did not understand. |
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| 09:13.28 | heroxbd | I added "blacklist uhci-hcd" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf, but it is still autoloaded. |
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| 09:15.27 | nsadmin | suwro: I suppose either the kernel or libc has changed... you'll either have to determine and fix the problem in ipp2p yourself, or find a version that works with the newer sthff |
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| 09:16.36 | amphibious | hi |
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| 09:17.20 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 09:17.20 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. |
| 09:17.52 | amphibious | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.17 | Phasy13 | netinst |
| 09:18.20 | Phasy13 | and stop asking |
| 09:18.23 | Phasy13 | stupid question |
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| 09:19.07 | nsadmin | amphibious: I'm not aware of any installer that installs the xen kernels, so use any and then install the xen stuff after, then reboot |
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| 09:24.19 | nsadmin | who ever said evil kittens can't be cute? |
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| 09:27.21 | heroxbd | valdyn: Cool. dpkg-reconfigure linux-image..... works! |
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| 09:35.03 | amphibious | nsadmin: thanks, i'm downloading the debian-kde-cd1, will install this and trim down to as small as possible |
| 09:36.08 | liable | amphibious: if you want to keep it small, dont install kde from the installer. install kde-core and the minimal xorg packages after install |
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| 09:36.14 | daftdutch | j #debian |
| 09:36.22 | themill | !install kde |
| 09:36.23 | dpkg | For KDE3, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall. See also <kde version> <install kde4> |
| 09:36.24 | liable | we did already! |
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| 09:37.51 | Phasy13 | how to make a folder readable and writable for my user? |
| 09:37.55 | daftdutch | whats the best way to recreate a new root filesystem. |
| 09:38.46 | daftdutch | phasy13 do you want to become the owner of those files or just able to read theM? |
| 09:38.57 | Phasy13 | read and write |
| 09:39.26 | nkuttler | Phasy13: /msg dpkg permissions, man chown, man chmod |
| 09:40.25 | Phasy13 | come on |
| 09:40.33 | Phasy13 | just tell me the freaking line please |
| 09:40.36 | Phasy13 | :( |
| 09:40.43 | daftdutch | chmod 777 |
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| 09:41.15 | nkuttler | Phasy13: really, harassing people and being demanding won't help you much here |
| 09:41.17 | daftdutch | chmod +rw <file> if you're the owner |
| 09:41.26 | daftdutch | chmod g+rw <file> if you're in the group |
| 09:41.28 | amphibious | liable: so can i still customize the install in that kde-cd? if not what installer package should I download/install? |
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| 09:42.25 | liable | amphibious: just get the netinst, install a base system, then install the other stuff after install. (you wont have z after install though, so all cli stuff) |
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| 09:44.16 | amphibious | liable: ok i got it, sorry but i'm not familiar with that z and cli tho (total noob), what command/options so i can do that? also will the netinstall include a GUI or just terminal? |
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| 09:44.45 | bony | i am behind a proxy, i am able to browser the net by changing the setting of proxy in firefox its the same for apt-get i changed the settings. but i am unable to ssh or ping to any site from the shell were as the according the the person who is maintaining the proxy it is allowing ssh access. I tried to export http_proxy env but no use. |
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| 09:44.54 | bony | can any one help me to get it fixed |
| 09:45.00 | daftdutch | liable with the net install you can select a desktop at the installation |
| 09:45.17 | frold | If I need some help to setup and install a mail server on my debian box is this the place? |
| 09:45.28 | liable | amphibious: the netinst can do graphic mode iirc (even the basic install is ncurses, which is kinda graphical) then after install, just use apt-get to install kde and xorg |
| 09:45.47 | nkuttler | frold: just ask |
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| 09:46.06 | liable | daftdutch: i know, he wanted to install kde and then slim it down, i suggested to instead just install kde-base and minimal xorg packages after install |
| 09:46.40 | liable | daftdutch: read the whole discussion before you chime in! :P |
| 09:47.01 | amphibious | liable: i see, ok will give it a try. what the name of the kde basic in the repo? |
| 09:47.11 | amphibious | ok got that "kde-base" |
| 09:47.43 | liable | kdebase |
| 09:47.56 | frold | I have a debian server set up with php/mysql and phpmyadmin, + webmin - now I want to set up a mail server so I can recieve mails. I should be able to sent out mails. But Im stuck.... nkuttler |
| 09:48.02 | liable | you need to install xorg and kdm too as they are not dependancies |
| 09:48.23 | daftdutch | and the fonts |
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| 09:48.52 | amphibious | ok. "xorg" that's the repo name that i need or xorgbase something? |
| 09:49.06 | daftdutch | anyway I need to recreate my Root file system |
| 09:49.14 | daftdutch | xserver-xorg |
| 09:49.17 | nkuttler | frold: i can't help you if you're using webmin, sorry. how and why did you install that anyway? |
| 09:49.40 | maligor | don't let the xorg eat you on the way! |
| 09:49.44 | nkuttler | frold: on a real debian you dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 09:49.45 | amphibious | ok thank you guys! you are so helpful! |
| 09:50.05 | amphibious | maligor: what do you mean? |
| 09:50.27 | maligor | well, it does sound like a name for a alient spieces from some x-rated movie |
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| 09:50.35 | frold | nkuttler: I didnt install webmin my self |
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| 09:51.37 | nirupama | what does libtool: link: `log.lo' is not a valid libtool object |
| 09:51.37 | nirupama | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:52.22 | jmd | nirupama, It means that the file called "log.lo" is not a libtool object. |
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| 09:53.19 | frold | nkuttler: I think running a dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config could be over my level :D |
| 09:53.26 | halfie | emergency: I have /dev/sdc3 mounted and working properly but I accidently deleted the partition table .. can I get it back? |
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| 09:53.59 | nkuttler | frold: why is that? |
| 09:54.04 | halfie | . /dev/sdc3 is still mounted and working .. so kernel knows about the partition .. can I get it to tell me? |
| 09:54.16 | frold | seems dangerous :D |
| 09:54.32 | nkuttler | halfie: hm, which filesystem? |
| 09:55.21 | halfie | nkuttler: ext3 |
| 09:56.02 | nkuttler | aren't there backup partition tables somewhere on the disk? not sure. better start copying the data i guess |
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| 09:57.03 | nirupama | jmd, what should be done to solve such error |
| 09:57.04 | nirupama | jmd, I did lot of googling but did not find exact solution |
| 09:58.39 | jmd | I would start by having a look at the contents of that file, and what's generating it. |
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| 09:59.08 | nkuttler | halfie: although you should be able to guess the partitions if you know their sizes (...) |
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| 10:02.42 | frold | There must be a "setup a mail server for debian" tut out there - but I cant find any relevant |
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| 10:03.09 | g00se | Thanks for earlier help guys - i'm off |
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| 10:03.26 | petemc | frold: you need to work on your search technique |
| 10:03.27 | WormFood | frold, I installed qmail, from source, with a few custom patches. |
| 10:03.34 | petemc | that was silly |
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| 10:03.43 | WormFood | what as silly? |
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| 10:03.49 | WormFood | was* |
| 10:03.54 | petemc | installing qmail, from source |
| 10:04.11 | WormFood | now why in the fuck would you go and say something stupid like that? |
| 10:04.19 | WormFood | did you miss the "few custom patches" bit? |
| 10:04.24 | petemc | no |
| 10:04.26 | WormFood | I WROTE THOSE PATCHES |
| 10:04.40 | petemc | well done |
| 10:04.46 | WormFood | how the hell else am I gonna get those patches in qmail if I don't install from SOURCE? |
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| 10:05.28 | unicum | now.. i'm just burning an ubuntu live disc for gparted.. because fdisk gave me this http://kthx.de/~unicum/fdisk.txt on an external drive |
| 10:05.31 | unicum | any ideas what i'll do with this, once the disk is ready and booted? |
| 10:05.38 | amphibious | cool down people! :) |
| 10:06.19 | unicum | well, brb |
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| 10:09.22 | frold | petemc: sry - but at least Im honest |
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| 10:09.42 | WormFood | petemc is just trying to be a dick |
| 10:09.47 | WormFood | ignore him |
| 10:09.48 | petemc | quiet you |
| 10:10.13 | petemc | frold: if you enter "debian mail server" into google, there are lots of results |
| 10:10.16 | WormFood | you never did tell me why it is "silly" to install qmail from source :P |
| 10:10.45 | streuner | drop it |
| 10:10.46 | WormFood | frold, I've been administering qmail for about 10 years, and I really like it. |
| 10:11.11 | petemc | for one, its better to use the package system, two - its qmail |
| 10:11.24 | petemc | 10 years ago qmail was fine |
| 10:11.34 | WormFood | I can use the package system if I want to |
| 10:11.40 | streuner | !qmail |
| 10:11.40 | dpkg | [qmail] a Mail Transfer Agent (<MTA>) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it <non-free>. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. To install on Debian, ask me about <qmail debs>. See also <qmail equivs>. #qmail on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:11.42 | WormFood | I'm too lazy to package up one program |
| 10:11.54 | petemc | you can do whatevetr you like, but dont recommend that other poeple do it too |
| 10:11.57 | WormFood | qmail is fast, stable, reliable, and most important SECURE |
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| 10:12.12 | Guerin | WormFood: anmd utterly broken in the default config |
| 10:12.16 | WormFood | I'm not recommending others use it either. |
| 10:12.32 | WormFood | well, sadly mr DJB has not updated the official source in quite some time |
| 10:12.46 | Guerin | but since (as I understand) DJB has public-domained it, that issue is moot now |
| 10:12.50 | streuner | so HOW it could be THAT secure? |
| 10:12.51 | WormFood | but there are many patches/mods that are approved by him |
| 10:13.04 | WormFood | much more secure than sendmail |
| 10:13.11 | streuner | haha |
| 10:13.12 | Guerin | WormFood: so? nothing should be dependent on one person's say-so |
| 10:13.17 | henry-nicolas | Hi. If I change some logrotate config (rotate 999 becomes rotate 365) and then I run manually logrotate, should it delete automatically my oldest log file ? |
| 10:13.20 | Guerin | WormFood: so is that like faster than a go-kart? |
| 10:13.36 | nsadmin | is that saying anything? more secure than sendmail? |
| 10:13.40 | WormFood | now, I will admit, sendmail is better now, but not too long ago, it was a member of the "exploit of the week club" |
| 10:13.41 | Guerin | nsadmin: quite. |
| 10:13.50 | Guerin | nsadmin: bigger than an ant |
| 10:14.04 | streuner | !start a MTA war |
| 10:14.05 | dpkg | sendmail loses mail |
| 10:14.09 | WormFood | qmail is also a LOT easier to configure and setup than sendmail |
| 10:14.13 | nsadmin | bigger, smaller or the same size as a breadbox? |
| 10:14.36 | nsadmin | that's true, I've been using qmail for years |
| 10:14.39 | Guerin | WormFood: again, fatter than a supermodel |
| 10:14.44 | WormFood | anyways.....I'm just saying what I use....if you choose not to use it, it is up to you.....if you were not aware of it before, take a look at it. |
| 10:14.59 | WormFood | end of MTA discussion for me, I have more important things to do with my time |
| 10:15.01 | Guerin | WormFood: the Lebowski Defence! |
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| 10:15.25 | WormFood | de fence? |
| 10:15.29 | nkuttler | let's go bowling? |
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| 10:15.42 | WormFood | nkuttler, lets not, and just say we did |
| 10:15.44 | Guerin | nkuttler: "That's just, like, your opinion, man." |
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| 10:15.56 | nkuttler | amateurs... |
| 10:16.00 | aphexer | apt-get update is complaining it's missing a public key. Rerunning apt-get update doesn't help. How do I fix this? |
| 10:16.14 | WormFood | ok, lets go bowling...you bring the balls, I'll bring the guns |
| 10:16.21 | Guerin | my problems with qmail are largely resolved by the licensing issue anyhow. It means that if people care they can make it not shit. That's much better than it was |
| 10:16.21 | nsadmin | aphexer: debian-archive-keyring |
| 10:16.31 | aphexer | nsadmin: the latest version appears to be installed |
| 10:16.32 | frold | what about using postfix? |
| 10:16.48 | Guerin | frold: it's a valid lifestyle choice |
| 10:16.52 | maligor | WormFood, erhm... is there anyone who would use sendmail anyway? |
| 10:16.57 | petemc | frold: postfix or exim both work very well |
| 10:17.01 | aphexer | nsadmin: oh maybe not, let me verify that first ;) |
| 10:17.05 | nsadmin | aphexer: you have a mixed dist? |
| 10:17.21 | WormFood | still the default mta on many systems I believe |
| 10:17.22 | frold | I get this recommanded by cipherz |
| 10:17.48 | frold | But still need to set it up |
| 10:17.50 | aphexer | nsadmin: no plain lenny, but the keyring is from 2008 apparently |
| 10:18.00 | nsadmin | !trustometer cipherz |
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| 10:18.20 | aphexer | i misinterpreted the apt-cache output previously, thinking it was the latest version, but that was wrong :) |
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| 10:18.29 | Guerin | dpkg, why exim is also see |
| 10:18.29 | dpkg | Guerin: I think you lost me on that one |
| 10:18.34 | Guerin | fail |
| 10:18.35 | nsadmin | working now? |
| 10:18.38 | Guerin | dpkg, why exim is also see http://feayn.org/~lewis/exim.txt |
| 10:18.39 | dpkg | Guerin: what are you talking about? |
| 10:18.51 | Guerin | *sigh* |
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| 10:19.07 | streuner | !why exim |
| 10:19.07 | dpkg | Exim was chosen as the default MTA a long time ago: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1997/06/msg00476.html |
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| 10:19.36 | aphexer | nsadmin: well i'm gonna have to download the keyring some other way, securely, as i'm always suspecting a m-i-m attack on me ;) but i suppose i'll be fine after that |
| 10:19.47 | halfie | Does running partprobe ensure that subsequent runs of fdisk/parted/testdisk will see the new partition table? |
| 10:20.30 | Guerin | fixed |
| 10:20.32 | nsadmin | it might help to put . after hostnames |
| 10:20.42 | nsadmin | like debian.org/ |
| 10:20.44 | nsadmin | err |
| 10:20.46 | nsadmin | like debian.org. |
| 10:20.48 | Guerin | dpkg appears to no longer understand also |
| 10:20.49 | dpkg | Guerin: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 10:21.08 | nsadmin | Guerin: I think you're right! |
| 10:21.24 | Guerin | anyway, that is the great story of why exim is the default in debian |
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| 10:22.18 | arafangion2 | Hey, when running 'mkdir', how do I squash the error when the directory already exists? |
| 10:22.39 | nsadmin | why not test for existance first |
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| 10:22.55 | arafangion2 | nsadmin: How best should I do that in a make script? |
| 10:23.06 | petemc | arafangion2: -p |
| 10:23.33 | arafangion2 | peterS: I thought that only created parents if they didn't exist. Hmm |
| 10:23.39 | petemc | man mkdir |
| 10:23.53 | arafangion2 | That was the trick. :) |
| 10:24.08 | nsadmin | arafangion2: that should have been the first move you made |
| 10:24.12 | arafangion2 | petemc: I seem to have incomplete man files. :( It gives me the barest summary, and then directs me to info (which I abhor) |
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| 10:24.34 | arafangion2 | nsadmin: Take another look at hte man page, it specifically refers to parents. |
| 10:24.51 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:25.15 | nsadmin | info pages of gnu tools are usually the best source of info (maintained more frequently, more verbose, has navigation) |
| 10:25.43 | arafangion2 | nsadmin: I always found that man pages were nice and concise. |
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| 10:26.00 | arafangion2 | I prefer html pages to info. |
| 10:26.01 | nsadmin | that's a contradiction to this very case |
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| 10:26.18 | nsadmin | going ONLY by what you have said :) |
| 10:26.18 | arafangion2 | nsadmin: It is, actually... Sometimes I don't read it strictly correctly, grammatically. |
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| 10:27.29 | arafangion2 | My biggest issue with info pages is that they've got a /unique/ way of navigation. :( |
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| 10:28.12 | nsadmin | I guess it is possible to generate html pages from .texis |
| 10:28.35 | freeone3000 | Considering man is an alias for a bunch of calls terminating in a more pipe on my system, any way of navigation is equal or superior. Since I can still scroll up and down using the arrow keys, there is no difference at that level of functionality between man and info. |
| 10:28.42 | freeone3000 | Anything added is, well, added. |
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| 10:29.32 | arafangion2 | freeone3000: Fortunately it doesn't use 'more' anymore, I use 'less'. |
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| 10:29.51 | nsadmin | freeone3000: more cannot scroll up |
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| 10:30.45 | edoreld1 | How can I put an image in command line like the one that appears when you run a live CD of Debian/Ubuntu? |
| 10:30.49 | edoreld1 | But without using a CD |
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| 10:31.33 | nsadmin | uhoh |
| 10:31.36 | liable | !ops bot attack |
| 10:31.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: bot attack |
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| 10:31.59 | kez | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:31.59 | david35 | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:31.59 | badgirlUSA | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:31.59 | Cerberus | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:31.59 | eboy | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:31.59 | Astanix-away | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:31.59 | King_Jon | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:31.59 | Italian_Stal | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:31.59 | ajit | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:31.59 | phuhqu | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:31.59 | LaTiNGaWdeSs | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:31.59 | NEO2138 | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:31.59 | ayca | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:31.59 | migoi | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:31.59 | MADSPAWN | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | Bigo | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | aressss | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | T34FLyer | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | ]-[Gs | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | singlew | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | DexterBoyGeniu | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | kukururu | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | dalsf | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | mFa-html | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | ^Hosehead^^ | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | ressam | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | THR45H3R5 | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | VioLeNT-J | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | CrEEp | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | Gabriel | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | ferns | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | EdmanMMwithnut | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | XeL0nZzZz | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | kez | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | david35 | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | badgirlUSA | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.00 | Cerberus | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | eboy | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | Krings | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | Astanix-away | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | King_Jon | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | Italian_Stal | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | ajit | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | ]-[Gs | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | singlew | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | dalsf | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | T34FLyer | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | DexterBoyGeniu | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | kukururu | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | phuhqu | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | LaTiNGaWdeSs | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | ressam | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | THR45H3R5 | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | NEO2138 | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | ayca | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | migoi | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | MADSPAWN | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | Bigo | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | aressss | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 10:32.01 | *** mode/#debian [+mi] by debhelper |
| 10:32.25 | *** part/#debian edoreld1 (n=Adium@p57A08421.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:32.54 | *** part/#debian exn (n=exn@micro.strace.net) |
| 10:33.02 | *** mode/#debian [-m] by debhelper |
| 10:33.15 | creature_ | howd they get funny hostmasks like that |
| 10:33.31 | *** mode/#debian [-i] by debhelper |
| 10:33.46 | liable | that feels like a prelude to some fun times here later |
| 10:33.53 | christel | to make it easier for us to block the shell provider they use from the network |
| 10:33.58 | *** part/#debian heroxbd (n=user@2001:da8:200:102:222:19ff:fecd:5a91) |
| 10:33.58 | christel | :) |
| 10:34.07 | chronix | you won't |
| 10:34.12 | christel | (in short, that was a bit dumb) |
| 10:34.12 | chronix | :D |
| 10:34.27 | christel | lovely, and the botnet runner speaks! |
| 10:34.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh |
| 10:34.41 | azeem_ | christel: thanks |
| 10:34.54 | creature_ | i wonder how long hostname you can have |
| 10:36.35 | *** join/#debian edoreld1 (n=Adium@p57A08421.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:36.53 | WormFood | creature_, if you have control over your reverse dns, then you make make any subdomain you want. |
| 10:36.58 | *** join/#debian peppe (n=peppe@unaffiliated/peppe) |
| 10:37.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 919] by debhelper |
| 10:37.03 | *** join/#debian Edico (n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico) |
| 10:37.25 | creature_ | yea but doesn't it take like days for the new reverse dns information to propagate |
| 10:37.26 | *** join/#debian suman (n=suman@anubhav.deeproot.co.in) |
| 10:37.38 | WormFood | I setup a custom address in my jesusfuckinchrist.com domain for a friend |
| 10:37.42 | WormFood | no |
| 10:37.56 | WormFood | clearly you have no clue about dns propagation |
| 10:38.00 | creature_ | and surely you can't just use "any" subdomain |
| 10:38.01 | liable | shouldnt debhelper have stopped them earlier? |
| 10:38.06 | *** join/#debian amphibious (n=chatzill@116.50.175.23) |
| 10:38.06 | *** join/#debian `shura (n=shura@AAubervilliers-151-1-20-100.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:38.09 | WormFood | almost anything |
| 10:38.19 | creature_ | well theres a limit to its size |
| 10:38.37 | WormFood | if your domain is example.com, then.anything.to.the.left.you.can.make.part.of.the.host.name.at.example.com |
| 10:38.56 | WormFood | it is pretty big limit |
| 10:39.02 | WormFood | probably 256 |
| 10:39.56 | *** join/#debian freddy (n=freddy@hotel742.server4you.de) |
| 10:40.01 | *** part/#debian unicum (i=unicum@unaffiliated/unicum) |
| 10:40.05 | edoreld1 | How can I customize the command line with an image? Like for example having the logo of my company always on the backgroun |
| 10:40.07 | edoreld1 | d* |
| 10:40.34 | nsadmin | edoreld1: look into frame buffers |
| 10:40.36 | creature_ | i wonder if you can have rdns point to multiple hostnames |
| 10:40.50 | nsadmin | no, just to one |
| 10:40.52 | edoreld1 | nsadmin: any man page for that? |
| 10:41.06 | *** join/#debian p0g0 (n=pogo@unaffiliated/p0g0) |
| 10:41.23 | creature_ | i wonder if the IRCD then accepts the vhost "foo.bar.com" if the rnds points to bar.com |
| 10:41.24 | *** join/#debian pirho (i=pirho@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2CEEC9CB) |
| 10:41.26 | nsadmin | all I know is that's how it's done, they use a frame buffer |
| 10:41.26 | *** join/#debian jakuub (i=nyty@pixla.jmnet.cz) |
| 10:41.30 | *** join/#debian freddy_ (n=freddy@hotel742.server4you.de) |
| 10:41.49 | creature_ | or maybe it can point to *.bar.com |
| 10:41.49 | nsadmin | and I guess that boot splash thing |
| 10:42.19 | creature_ | or some shit like that |
| 10:42.20 | edoreld1 | hmm ok I'll look into frame buffers then... |
| 10:42.30 | _Brandon_ | edoreld1: I use a kernel patch for that, I don't think you can do it without modifyng the kernel |
| 10:42.46 | *** join/#debian fricard (i=3e1791c3@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1c9dc866e61560c0) |
| 10:43.10 | nsadmin | one thing, there's vesa frame buffer, slow but works with many cards... or there's frame buffer drivers per video chipset |
| 10:43.25 | _Brandon_ | edoreld1: this is the patch http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/fbcondecor/ |
| 10:43.36 | edoreld1 | thanks! |
| 10:43.41 | edoreld1 | That'll come in handy! :D |
| 10:44.00 | *** join/#debian ctp (n=ctp@brsg-d9bee698.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 10:44.20 | *** join/#debian what (n=what@58.22.8.66) |
| 10:45.11 | freeone3000 | Now, time for a challenge. Time to make it install smoothly over ssh. :) |
| 10:46.07 | freeone3000 | Or not. "isolinux: Disk error 32, AX= 4246, drive 9F". Any suggestions? |
| 10:46.19 | *** join/#debian skapning (n=skapning@nc-76-6-230-80.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 10:46.41 | skapning | need to install a bitmapped font so that gnome-terminal can use it, can anyone help me or point me in the right direction? |
| 10:46.49 | freeone3000 | Bah, nevermind. WRong channel. |
| 10:47.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 926] by debhelper |
| 10:47.26 | *** join/#debian cydork (n=cydork@unaffiliated/cydork) |
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| 10:55.00 | frold | I try to foloow this tut http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-mail-server-setup-with-postfix-dovecot-sasl-squirrel-mail.html |
| 10:55.38 | frold | I dont understand this step: |
| 10:55.38 | frold | Now, create a user to test our pop3 mail with outlook: #adduser user_name |
| 10:56.13 | nsadmin | frold: what don't you understand? |
| 10:57.21 | nsadmin | not fast enough. |
| 10:57.27 | frold | how and where to do that? |
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| 10:57.59 | frold | what is outlook? I only know outlook to microsoft. I using ssh |
| 10:58.24 | nsadmin | the how is right there: run adduser <someone> as root |
| 10:58.40 | nsadmin | oh, well that last part is a good point |
| 10:58.59 | azeem | frold: we don't run debianadmin.com |
| 10:59.27 | nsadmin | or debian.org even |
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| 10:59.37 | azeem | eh, we do that |
| 10:59.51 | nsadmin | you run that domain? oh, didn't know that :) |
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| 11:01.05 | azeem | nsadmin: Debian is running debian.org |
| 11:01.13 | azeem | not sure what is so strange about that |
| 11:01.14 | frold | so I cant follow http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-mail-server-setup-with-postfix-dovecot-sasl-squirrel-mail.html ? |
| 11:01.18 | azeem | Debian doesn't run debianadmin.com |
| 11:01.31 | azeem | frold: you can, just don't blame us for factual errors |
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| 11:01.41 | azeem | no idea why they put outlook in there |
| 11:01.43 | nsadmin | azeem: oh, ok, now I understand |
| 11:01.52 | suwro | hello |
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| 11:02.01 | frold | I dont blame anyone for anything I just askin for help. |
| 11:02.06 | suwro | what's on dvd2 live ? do I need dvd2 for gnome desktop ? |
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| 11:02.36 | nsadmin | in truth you probably don't need any dvd image |
| 11:02.36 | frold | But after being here for less then 1 hour I think the "tone" in here is quit unfriendly or "aggrassive".. Or I might be sensitive... |
| 11:02.41 | azeem | frold: what's your question exactly? |
| 11:02.43 | l403 | guys, in nautilus in the List view moving around with arrows, how do I unroll selected folder, just like clicking the arrow? |
| 11:03.00 | frold | I dint understoud the command add_user |
| 11:03.01 | l403 | ..is there a key for that? |
| 11:03.15 | suwro | nsadmin: I am on 3g network, traffic counted - that's why I need a dvd - I'm downloading from a friend |
| 11:03.16 | frold | now I know its must be related to have Debian as a desktop |
| 11:03.40 | suwro | frold: what's the problem? |
| 11:03.44 | azeem | frold: it's adduser |
| 11:03.51 | azeem | and it's a command-line command |
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| 11:04.41 | frold | well the problem is it say: -bash: adduser: command not found when trying to type adduser froldtest |
| 11:04.41 | nsadmin | frold: one point that's being made to you, is no one here we know of has control over the information you're reading |
| 11:04.42 | suwro | so, what's on DVD2 ? |
| 11:04.58 | azeem | frold: you need to run it as root aka super-user aka admin |
| 11:04.58 | suwro | frold try useradd |
| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/SDL_draw.h' returned no results. |
| 11:05.02 | suwro | but with sudo |
| 11:05.02 | azeem | suwro: no |
| 11:05.05 | suwro | sudo useradd |
| 11:05.12 | azeem | suwro: don't advertise useradd, ok? |
| 11:05.15 | nkuttler | frold: /usr/sbin/ isn't in your PATH |
| 11:05.16 | suwro | ok |
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| 11:05.33 | suwro | azeem: it's obsolete? |
| 11:05.38 | frold | ahh now somethings happening |
| 11:05.49 | azeem | dunno, at least adduser is the recommended way of doing it |
| 11:05.56 | nsadmin | useradd is actually better in a scripting situation (and generally newusers better than that) |
| 11:06.06 | nkuttler | man useradd |
| 11:06.07 | azeem | useradd doesn't setup home directories or skeletal shell startup scripts, e.g. |
| 11:06.11 | suwro | ah - roger that. |
| 11:06.20 | nsadmin | actually it can if you tell it to |
| 11:06.22 | suwro | azeem: but it does. |
| 11:06.23 | frold | thank you now Im a step further |
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| 11:06.35 | suwro | use -h and it's other options. |
| 11:06.43 | nsadmin | but... he's definitely better off with adduser |
| 11:06.51 | nsadmin | no question about that |
| 11:06.52 | suwro | and that is true |
| 11:06.59 | azeem | suwro: not by default |
| 11:07.16 | fuxartige33 | nice one! http://sunoano.name/ws/public_xhtml/debian_notes_cheat_sheets.html#install_debian_from_USB_stick ;) |
| 11:07.19 | nsadmin | caught myself before saying assuder... |
| 11:07.22 | suwro | azeem there's always man command before asking here - isn't it? |
| 11:07.25 | azeem | frold: the "#" in front of that indicates you should run the command as root? |
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| 11:07.36 | suwro | ;) |
| 11:07.48 | dacs | what to use a messanger |
| 11:07.49 | azeem | frold: eh, drop the question mark, sorry |
| 11:07.52 | azeem | was meant as advice |
| 11:07.56 | nsadmin | suwro: yeah, it's always nice if people are prepared |
| 11:08.15 | suwro | ok - so I dont need dvd2 - gone to get dvd one - thank you all for help |
| 11:08.27 | suwro | have a nice chat |
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| 11:09.09 | frold | azeem thanks for teh info |
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| 11:13.41 | nsadmin | is there a d-i on all the dvd images? |
| 11:13.56 | lo127 | anyone running on powerpc architecture? |
| 11:14.37 | azeem | lo127: you might get better help if you just ask your question |
| 11:15.45 | lo127 | need help compiling this 5 lines on a ppc architecture: http://codepad.org/aBJbCzHl |
| 11:16.26 | WormFood | lo127, I have a PPC running linux back home, in usa (I'm in China) |
| 11:16.49 | lo127 | WormFood, ofc. you are ;) |
| 11:17.03 | lo127 | WormFood, its not my day, I'm telling you :) |
| 11:17.05 | nsadmin | lo127: why do you need help with that? it's the same process as on an intel |
| 11:17.06 | WormFood | don't believe me? |
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| 11:17.33 | lo127 | WormFood, I doo, didnt mean it like that |
| 11:17.37 | WormFood | no nsadmin, it is not always the same process |
| 11:17.53 | nsadmin | is it not gcc something.c? |
| 11:18.06 | lo127 | nsadmin, it is, but I need the binary |
| 11:18.20 | WormFood | lo127, ä½ ä¼è¯´ä¸æå? |
| 11:18.22 | nsadmin | and why can't you produce the binary? |
| 11:18.44 | lo127 | my cross-compiler is not working properly |
| 11:18.57 | nsadmin | ahh, ok |
| 11:18.59 | azeem | lo127: well, try in another channel then |
| 11:19.01 | lo127 | nsadmin, I need someone on a ppc arch to compile it for me |
| 11:19.07 | azeem | this channel is not about general build-service |
| 11:19.08 | lo127 | azeem, I have tried all channels ;) |
| 11:19.08 | nsadmin | ahh, ok |
| 11:19.14 | azeem | lo127: try a forum |
| 11:19.48 | azeem | lo127: or explain how the resulting binary is somehow important for Debian or at least related to what you do with/on Debia |
| 11:19.48 | lo127 | azeem, I will, was just hoping someone here where running on an old powerbook or something |
| 11:19.51 | azeem | n |
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| 11:20.29 | nsadmin | I suppose you could try ##c but not sure you'd get anywhere there either |
| 11:20.32 | lo127 | azeem, nah, it has nothing to do with debian, but if someone was running debian on a powerpc it would take then 2 sec to help me with something i have spent 4 days on |
| 11:20.51 | azeem | lo127: ok |
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| 11:22.19 | nsadmin | out of curiousity why do you need a binary that does nothing but spin? |
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| 11:32.20 | Janni | Hi. |
| 11:33.35 | Janni | My current debian (stable) does not support NTFS file creation. Is this the currently the case for the "testing" distribution? |
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| 11:33.48 | abrotman | using ntfs-3g? |
| 11:34.09 | Janni | Hmm. I don't think so, just the usual kernel NTFS support, I guess |
| 11:34.21 | abrotman | i think that's normally read-only |
| 11:34.38 | Janni | It can write (modify) but not create files |
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| 11:34.59 | Janni | Thanks for the ntfs-3g keyword, I'll have a look at the package |
| 11:35.01 | nsadmin | does 3g let you create? |
| 11:35.29 | abrotman | !ntfs-3g |
| 11:35.29 | dpkg | methinks ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org etch> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 11:35.39 | abrotman | apparently |
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| 11:35.46 | abrotman | oh .. create vs write .. not sure |
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| 11:35.57 | nsadmin | Janni: could you run... lsmod | grep ntfs |
| 11:36.14 | nsadmin | how many lines do you get |
| 11:36.16 | dhblewis | i need help really badly. I have messed up mysql and I get the error listed here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/installing-mysql-sub-process-usrbindpkg-returned-an-error-code-1-732033/ if anyone can help I would really appreciate it. |
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| 11:36.39 | Janni | nsadmin: ntfs and nls_base |
| 11:36.57 | JJOliver | Hi i'm trying to se up e-mail for the first time on Lenny and am having a few errors that I can't account for. I can recieve my e-mail on both accounts but when I try sending. One just hangs FOREVER and the other says MAIL FROM command failed: dns lookup failed for sender domain. |
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| 11:37.03 | JJOliver | What Am I doing wrong? |
| 11:37.04 | nsadmin | ok, so you're not running the 3g one, so it's worth a shot |
| 11:37.18 | Janni | nsadmin: yes, I'm just about to mount using 3g |
| 11:37.31 | abrotman | JJOliver: if you use host or dig on your own domain, does it work? |
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| 11:37.45 | JJOliver | abrotman: Huh?! |
| 11:38.07 | abrotman | JJOliver: it's telling you it can't find whatever domain you're trying to use when sending |
| 11:38.08 | nsadmin | JJOliver: do you own a domain? |
| 11:38.27 | JJOliver | The one that is hanging i own. |
| 11:38.41 | JJOliver | The one with the error is hosted by my family company |
| 11:38.49 | Janni | Very nice! You simply have to install the package ntfs-3g, and change the fstype in /etc/fstab from ntfs to ntfs-3g. Gives you full (write) support for a NTFS partition |
| 11:38.58 | JJOliver | I can ping the smtp server (auth.smtp.oneandone.co.uk) |
| 11:39.09 | abrotman | dhblewis: didn't we go over this with you a few weeks ago? paste the output of `apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.0` in paste.debian.net |
| 11:39.30 | themill | dhblewis: have you tried uninstalling all of the mysql packages and then installing the correct ones? |
| 11:39.32 | abrotman | JJOliver: you might own it, but is dns setup correctly? |
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| 11:39.59 | JJOliver | abrotman: I'm able to send and recieve using Mail on mac, but on evoltuin no. |
| 11:40.12 | JJOliver | abrotman: so i'm assuming DNS is working because it works for my mac. |
| 11:40.15 | abrotman | and it's all setup the same? |
| 11:40.15 | nsadmin | Janni: some detail is in order: this package you have installed adds a kernel module, which means you would need to use one of the debian-provided kernels |
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| 11:40.40 | JJOliver | abrotman: obviously I think it's set up correctly but there are way more options on Evolution than on mac. |
| 11:40.44 | Janni | nsadmin: ... which I do anyway. But OK, thanks for the info |
| 11:40.46 | JJOliver | Security options etc. |
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| 11:40.58 | nsadmin | which is a specific case of "debian doesn't support hardware, and kernels don't support hardware on their own, drivers do" |
| 11:41.11 | abrotman | though drivers are part of the kernel |
| 11:41.15 | dhblewis | abrotman http://paste.debian.net/38718/ yes been trying to fix this for a long time now. Themill have tried uninstalling and reinstalling etc. |
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| 11:42.05 | abrotman | dhblewis: if you `dpkg -l "*mysql*"` .. do you get anything about the server? |
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| 11:42.38 | themill | abrotman: istr he's got mysql-server-5.1 installed from experimental |
| 11:43.27 | abrotman | themill: i think we're thinking of another guy that had the dotdeb junk installed |
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| 11:43.44 | dhblewis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:43.56 | themill | abrotman: from his first paste: Aborting downgrade from (at least) 5.1 to 5.0. dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0_5.0.51a-24+lenny1_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 11:44.16 | abrotman | yeah .. i saw that .. which is why i thought he might already have one installed .. maybe he just has some old conf files laying around |
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| 11:44.24 | abrotman | themill: yay dotdeb |
| 11:44.30 | themill | even worse |
| 11:44.35 | abrotman | dhblewis: what is the status ? "ii" ? "rc" ? |
| 11:44.46 | themill | dhblewis: I'd be tempted to do some mysql scrubbing.... aptitude remove ~nmysql |
| 11:45.14 | dhblewis | abrotman ic mysql-server-5 5.0.51a-24+len & rc mysql-server-5 5.1.34-0.dotde |
| 11:45.24 | abrotman | awesome |
| 11:45.51 | abrotman | dhblewis: dpkg -P mysql-server-5.1 .. it will remove any databases you had there previously |
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| 11:50.54 | themill | purging mysql-common might be a good plan too |
| 11:51.05 | abrotman | i was getting there! |
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| 11:51.53 | themill | I'd be getting brutal my now with some aptitude-fu.... backup the db, backup the config and "aptitude purge ~nmysql" |
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| 11:53.48 | dhblewis | themill will do that now. I dont mind what goes. as long as it works in the long run :) |
| 11:54.01 | abrotman | heh .. works |
| 11:54.28 | ab3l | hi, what's wrong in this rule http://lo.pastebin.com/m72ae0022 ? it's meant to map port 80 on gw machine to server in lanhost but doesn't works |
| 11:54.47 | JJOliver | abrotman: If I can't get my smtp server to work is there any generic servers that I can just send my e-mails from? |
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| 11:54.55 | themill | dhblewis: it'll probably rip out other stuff like php, phpmyadmin etc too. Just take note of what's being uninstalled so you can reinstall those packages later |
| 11:55.28 | dhblewis | themill will do that. i have all files backed up anyway as it was just a test server. |
| 11:55.36 | dhblewis | thanks for the help |
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| 11:57.21 | abrotman | JJOliver: from your home .. probably not |
| 11:57.33 | abrotman | ab3l: you probably want #iptables |
| 11:57.40 | JJOliver | abrotman: why are you keep refering to 'my home' |
| 11:57.49 | ab3l | there's actually no living beingthere |
| 11:58.03 | JJOliver | ab3l: (-: |
| 11:58.11 | JJOliver | What's the relevance to where I am? |
| 11:58.24 | JJOliver | And why would it work on my mac and not linux?! |
| 11:58.25 | nkuttler | JJOliver: sending mail from dial up? forget it.. |
| 11:58.28 | mischief | if i am compiling modules, what linux header directory do i need to use, linux-headers-2.6.29-2-amd64/ or linux-headers-2.6.29-2-common/ ? |
| 11:59.00 | JJOliver | nkuttler: That's a great solution . . . I can send e-mails but now I can't so I should just give up?! |
| 11:59.04 | JJOliver | THanks! |
| 11:59.20 | MindCr | mischief, wich is your kernel? |
| 11:59.26 | nkuttler | JJOliver: you'll never make it through spam filters, and rightfully so. use a smarthost. |
| 11:59.26 | mischief | MindCr, 2.6.29.. |
| 12:00.02 | MindCr | 2.6.29-2-amd64 ?? |
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| 12:00.12 | JJOliver | nkuttler: are you guys listening to me. I CAN DO IT ON MY MAC THE SAME ACCOUNTS DON'T / WON'T WORK ON EVOLUTION?! |
| 12:00.26 | nkuttler | JJOliver: your mac doesn't run an smtpd |
| 12:00.40 | JJOliver | nkuttler: Okay. so finally an answer that makes sense. |
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| 12:00.54 | JJOliver | nkuttler: How can I send e-mails without smtpd?! |
| 12:01.26 | MindCr | mischief, if your kernel is 2.6.29-2-amd64 you need linux-headers-2.6.29-2-amd64 |
| 12:01.36 | mischief | alright |
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| 12:01.38 | mischief | thanks |
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| 12:02.03 | themill | JJOliver: how are you trying to configure evolution to send? Is it trying to send directly to the smtp server or is it trying to send using the local mail spool? |
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| 12:02.12 | nkuttler | JJOliver: configure exolution like mail.app, forget about running smtpd |
| 12:02.28 | MindCr | mischief, aptitude install the commons too because is a dependencie |
| 12:02.35 | nkuttler | JJOliver: outgoing server blah... etc |
| 12:02.42 | mischief | MindCr, it was automatically installed. :p |
| 12:02.47 | MindCr | :) |
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| 12:03.09 | JJOliver | Okay everyone I'm getting a little mad here. I am trying to send and recieve e-mails via POP/SMTP servers in the UK. I've been able to do it on my mac. I can recieve in evolution I can't send on the same SMTP servers that I use on my mac |
| 12:03.25 | nkuttler | JJOliver: why not? |
| 12:03.28 | JJOliver | I'm not setting up a mail spool or doing anything funky. |
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| 12:03.59 | JJOliver | nkuttler: Can not connect to server |
| 12:04.00 | themill | JJOliver: Exactly what settings are you giving to evolution for the outgoing smtp? |
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| 12:04.33 | nkuttler | JJOliver: well, i don't use evolution. that could be some tls/auth thing i guess |
| 12:05.33 | JJOliver | nkuttler: could be. |
| 12:05.42 | nkuttler | JJOliver: you can use telnet to debug |
| 12:05.42 | themill | JJOliver: are you using port 25 or 587 in your config? |
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| 12:06.32 | JJOliver | themill: I don't know, i'm doing it all in evolution and I've not seen that option |
| 12:06.39 | JJOliver | nkuttler: how? |
| 12:06.59 | oskar- | hi, what file system do you recommend for hundrets of gigabyte of static data, that has a quite fast fsck? |
| 12:07.08 | nkuttler | JJOliver: telnet host port, google telnet smtp troubleshooting |
| 12:08.23 | nkuttler | JJOliver: but really, evolution should have the same options as mail.app |
| 12:08.25 | abrotman | oskar-: usually that depends on filesize |
| 12:09.04 | oskar- | abrotman: the sizes are very different, between 1 mb and 1 gb |
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| 12:10.21 | abrotman | oskar-: i'd probably use ext3 .. though the fsck does take awhile on 100s of GB |
| 12:10.37 | abrotman | though you also didn't quantify 'fast' |
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| 12:11.18 | oskar- | abrotman: we use ext3, and i find it a bit slow, compared to ext4, for example |
| 12:11.38 | oskar- | but ext4 in testing is not yet available |
| 12:11.50 | abrotman | oskar-: and how important is the data? is it "disposable" ? |
| 12:12.03 | abrotman | oskar-: FWIW .. there is a .29 kernel in backports.org for lenny that should have ext4 |
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| 12:12.24 | oskar- | abrotman: hm, that sounds interesting |
| 12:12.29 | oskar- | thank you |
| 12:13.45 | abrotman | oskar-: while not in the main kernel, something like zfs might be appealing to you |
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| 12:13.55 | abrotman | or btrfs |
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| 12:18.52 | linuxstudio | Hello peeps. i am trying to installl grub-gfxboot and it installed fine. However, i cant get the splash to work. I have installed the sidux boot theme and have run out of ideas. thx |
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| 12:22.24 | rameshwo | is it the same if i use debian or ubuntu ??? |
| 12:22.35 | OpenTokix | rameshwo: no |
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| 12:22.56 | rameshwo | which one's better ?? |
| 12:23.12 | rameshwo | OpenTokix: whichone's betterr ? |
| 12:23.42 | octane- | rameshwo: the pink one. |
| 12:24.07 | rameshwo | ?? the pink one ? meaning ? |
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| 12:24.22 | OpenTokix | rameshwo: That is like comparing prime apples (debian) to dogshit (produced by prime apples (ubuntu)). But it's also a religous view, so not discussed here. I personally prefer Debian. |
| 12:24.51 | octane- | rameshwo: use that o/s that suits you the most. |
| 12:24.51 | vchrizz | how do i know what thing (kernel module?) gives this msg on boot: "cs: IO port probe 0x0208-0x021f: clean." i couldnt find a module named 'cs'? |
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| 12:26.06 | octane- | vchrizz: by using google. |
| 12:26.41 | rameshwo | guys.. what are the base distros ? i mean like deian , redhat what makes them different from the other ones based on them ?? |
| 12:26.46 | vchrizz | im googling but i find many posts about that but nobody tells exactly what thing this msg gives |
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| 12:27.10 | ^^raven^^ | hi there! may I ask who/what debhelper is? |
| 12:27.14 | mosno | rameshwo: check out the Major Distributions section on DistroWatch. Also, direct non-Debian questions to ##linux |
| 12:28.34 | mosno | rameshwo: also, checkout the Linux distribution timeline |
| 12:28.34 | octane- | vchrizz: that is strange, because the google i use has the answer (pcmcia cardservices) right in one of the first hits. |
| 12:28.43 | linuxstudio | rameshwo - differnt packages mainly and differtn stages, ie stbale, testing unstbale etc. different window managers etc |
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| 12:29.39 | vchrizz | octane-, well you looked after 'cardservices' too what i didnt know ;) thanks |
| 12:29.58 | octane- | vchrizz: no, i dearched for 'IO port probe'. |
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| 12:30.09 | vchrizz | strange, so i did |
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| 12:30.37 | vchrizz | well, maybe locale settings differ search results? |
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| 12:31.03 | octane- | vchrizz: depends on what locale you use :) |
| 12:31.30 | vchrizz | de_AT |
| 12:31.35 | octane- | vchrizz: de_DE |
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| 12:32.25 | vchrizz | strange, what results do you get? most results are debianforum.de posts people asking getting no answers :) |
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| 12:33.09 | octane- | vchrizz: first hit is for pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/HyperNews/get/pcmcia/wireless/88/2.html |
| 12:33.16 | octane- | *cough* |
| 12:33.19 | mazzanet | hmm X is doing something weird |
| 12:33.30 | mazzanet | it's determined my max res is 800x600 |
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| 12:35.02 | mazzanet | and the display is centered |
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| 12:35.44 | mazzanet | all the ttys all full screen |
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| 12:36.03 | Blackhold | hello |
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| 12:36.22 | Blackhold | I'm trying to update my server but doing apt-get update appears next message: symbol version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 12:36.37 | Blackhold | if I try to install something it says me segment fault |
| 12:36.47 | Blackhold | this computer was installed 4 days ago |
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| 12:37.03 | vchrizz | octane-, hum, i want to use rootfs on a cf-card via pcmcia-cf adapter after booting from internal fixed disk; put already all modules in lsmod in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and updated initrd but the cfcard still cant be found when trying booting to it with UUID in grubs menu.lst |
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| 12:37.42 | Blackhold | apt-get: relocation error: /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6.so.4.7: symbol StplIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_ERKS6_PKS3_, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 12:37.45 | Blackhold | E: Method gzip has died unexpectedly! |
| 12:37.48 | Blackhold | sorry |
| 12:38.13 | vchrizz | octane-, but when booting the rootfs from internal disk after mounting rootfs the cfcard is getting recognized (then these "cs: " msgs come up) |
| 12:38.59 | vchrizz | i am something missing in initrd i think? |
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| 12:40.25 | vchrizz | Blackhold, are you sure your memory is ok if you say the computer is new? maybe run memtest? |
| 12:40.31 | octane- | vchrizz: maybe, i have zero experience regarding that |
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| 12:42.26 | r3c4ll | dos'n exist a tool (gtk for gnome tool) for replace de qt make xconfig to compile a kernel? |
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| 12:44.02 | mischief | is 70GB enough to mirror sid main contrib non-free ? |
| 12:44.28 | dhblewis | themill & abrotman got it working finally. thanks for your help. i really appreciate it., |
| 12:45.45 | bolt-wor1 | why mirror sid? |
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| 12:46.40 | mischief | bolt-work, because that is what i run |
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| 12:49.25 | abrotman | dhblewis: enjoy! |
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| 12:52.45 | Blackhold | vchrizz: gonna try |
| 12:52.53 | babilen | hi all. i am having a hard time to get automount of removable drives right. can someone suggest a nice tutorial on HAL/DBUS/PolicyKit and their usage within debian? |
| 12:53.56 | ktwilight_ | babilen, it's a mixture between using udevinfo and reading the hal man rules |
| 12:54.08 | ktwilight_ | hal has pretty good doc, if you go through it carefully |
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| 12:55.55 | babilen | ok - i have the feeling that i really need to read up on it. i want to file a bug against halevt which is due to policykit/hal and will try to develop a patch that solves this issue |
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| 12:59.30 | dalias | i wish there were a package that made automount "just work" |
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| 13:00.34 | stuNNed | that would be really cool if debconf could apply a patch to source automagically :D |
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| 13:01.06 | abrotman | dalias: there are quite a few automount packages |
| 13:01.18 | babilen | yeah me too. i had been quite happy with gnome-volume-manager, but the glory GNOME devs decided to (re)implement automount related features within nautilus |
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| 13:01.33 | valdyn | automount "just works" for people who install complete desktop environments |
| 13:01.45 | babilen | which caused the debian maintainers to drop automount support within g-v-m |
| 13:01.48 | dalias | not quite |
| 13:01.50 | valdyn | if you pick your installed software one by one sure you get to pick the automounter too |
| 13:01.52 | dalias | you have to manually unmount |
| 13:02.05 | dalias | connected devices should appear in /media without any desktop environment involvement |
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| 13:02.10 | CcK | Hi, i've installed pureftpd-mysql with not much trouble, but now i'm kinda lost, i used to have giant line of options to launch it, it seems that on debian i must create the /etc/pureftpd/conf/OPTION files and put yes or no in them, but how on earth can i know the file name ? is there a place i can find them ? i've been looking without succes |
| 13:02.14 | dalias | and should use autofs so they're unmounted 1sec after last access |
| 13:02.28 | dalias | so you can unplug them without any annoying manual-unmount |
| 13:02.35 | valdyn | dalias: write the software |
| 13:02.53 | dalias | :) |
| 13:03.06 | babilen | i have the feeling that automount related technologies are in a transition right now and quite unstable |
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| 13:03.24 | valdyn | babilen: not really |
| 13:03.26 | dalias | autofs works great except that i have to manually setup all devices i might connect |
| 13:03.34 | dalias | or else refer to them by generic names like 'usb port 2' |
| 13:03.40 | valdyn | babilen: the access control to features like this is transitioning |
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| 13:04.13 | babilen | valdyn: ok. that's true. |
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| 13:04.41 | babilen | valdyn: but it seems this transition breaks a lot of habits that users got accustomed to over the last years |
| 13:05.04 | valdyn | babilen: probably, i didnt notice a difference in usage |
| 13:05.06 | babilen | valdyn: and leads to a plethora of bug reports in all major distros |
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| 13:06.28 | valdyn | seems im just still in plugdev, while that is obsolete past lenny |
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| 13:07.45 | babilen | obsoleted by what? |
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| 13:07.54 | valdyn | babilen: policykit |
| 13:08.29 | babilen | but tat is exactly what i mean. users could rely on the fact that thay have to be in the "plugdev" group in order to get certain things running |
| 13:08.39 | valdyn | babilen: hardware access was controlled by groups before, now its controlled by policykit, which has a nice GUI |
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| 13:09.21 | babilen | now they have to figure out that something like policykit exists on their system, run polkit-auth, realise that "org.freedesktop.hal.storage.mount-removable" is not granted to them |
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| 13:10.09 | SparFux | Hi all. I have problems with dahdi-source, system freezes. I will now build debian svn and install it to try that. :-) |
| 13:10.23 | babilen | and write some rules to get it working again. |
| 13:10.35 | valdyn | babilen: ok, i never had to write a rule |
| 13:10.47 | babilen | is it possible to match groups in policykit and not just single users? |
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| 13:11.24 | valdyn | babilen: no, not unix groups |
| 13:11.32 | valdyn | babilen: "local users", yes |
| 13:12.54 | valdyn | babilen: talking about the GUI, anything can be done i guess |
| 13:13.05 | babilen | valdyn: really? that would be great/a start |
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| 13:13.25 | babilen | valdyn: which GUI do you mean? poicytool? |
| 13:13.36 | valdyn | polkit-gnome-authorization |
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| 13:15.41 | babilen | feels enlighted |
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| 13:15.51 | babilen | valdyn: thanks... |
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| 13:17.03 | twobitsprite | speaking of which, is there one for KDE4? |
| 13:17.21 | valdyn | im not sure kde4 even uses polkit |
| 13:17.27 | twobitsprite | ohh |
| 13:17.33 | valdyn | and i dont know about a kde4 GUI for it |
| 13:18.02 | valdyn | access by group still works for netdev anyway |
| 13:19.14 | twobitsprite | so, polikit is a gnome only thing? |
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| 13:19.30 | valdyn | twobitsprite: probably |
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| 13:20.19 | babilen | valdyn: do you know where changes to policy gets saved? |
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| 13:21.34 | babilen | twobitsprite: i am not so sure. HAL related tools (halevt/ivman/...) need certain priviliges granted by PolicyKit to work. |
| 13:21.57 | babilen | should probably search for a policykit channel ;-) |
| 13:21.58 | valdyn | dbus related tools |
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| 13:24.09 | CcK | nobody knows where to find the debian pureftpd config options ? |
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| 13:25.23 | tetraedr | hi |
| 13:25.48 | tetraedr | people, I've heard about init-ng (runs rc.d scripts in parallel) is there such package for debian? |
| 13:25.59 | valdyn | afaik: dbus talks to many things, including hal. Access is controlled via groups or polkit or whatever custom thing |
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| 13:30.30 | ajavid | http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ |
| 13:30.37 | ajavid | Additionally, we would like to recommend Knoppix, which is based on Debian - a very useful, full-featured live CD! |
| 13:30.40 | ajavid | ... |
| 13:31.08 | ranix | however, Knoppix is not debian |
| 13:31.18 | ajavid | thus the ellipses |
| 13:31.53 | abrotman | file a bug on the website |
| 13:32.15 | ajavid | www-package? |
| 13:32.18 | ajavid | what was it again? |
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| 13:32.51 | valdyn | why cant debian recommend knoppix? |
| 13:33.21 | ajavid | it is misleading. Either say we recommend it and do NOT support it there, or simply that we do not recommend it. |
| 13:33.28 | ranix | there's nothing wrong with knoppix |
| 13:33.30 | SparFux | imho debian live is much better. |
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| 13:33.47 | valdyn | everyone can recommend anything without needing to support it |
| 13:33.49 | ajavid | As it stands right now, to me it is misleading, but i know better. To the people who don't, may download/use knoppix, try to get support here and then shunned away |
| 13:33.55 | ajavid | its just not nice. at least imo. |
| 13:34.05 | abrotman | file a bug? |
| 13:34.11 | abrotman | www.debian.org IIRC |
| 13:34.23 | valdyn | people are stupid, no one would expect me to support his bmw, even if I'd recommend one |
| 13:34.26 | ajavid | I thought you can file a bug about the website on the website sourcde pcakge |
| 13:34.30 | ajavid | what is this called? |
| 13:34.33 | abrotman | www.debian.org IIRC |
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| 13:34.40 | ajavid | thats the pacakge name, oh |
| 13:34.41 | ajavid | heh |
| 13:35.08 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/pseudo-packages |
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| 13:35.38 | ranix | I agree with valdyn |
| 13:36.07 | ajavid | valdyn, I'm sorry you do not fully understand. |
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| 13:36.52 | ranix | the recommendation is more useful to new users than the chance of needing support and not being able to get it is detrimental |
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| 13:37.08 | eevar2 | how do I remove a given package while not touching any broken dependencies? |
| 13:37.21 | ranix | removing it would be similar to "not saying something because it might offend someone" |
| 13:37.35 | abrotman | eevar2: how are they broken? |
| 13:37.49 | ajavid | eevar2, try aptitude remove soemthing, aptitude should help resolve. Which package is it, and whats broken about its depends? |
| 13:37.50 | eevar2 | they depend on the package i want to remove |
| 13:37.59 | enthbott | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.01 | abrotman | eevar2: you don't want to do that |
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| 13:38.51 | abrotman | enthbott: dirname ? |
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| 13:39.00 | eevar2 | yes I do. rubygems from apt is old & broken, just downed my server |
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| 13:39.14 | enthbott | dirname? |
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| 13:39.28 | abrotman | man dirname ? |
| 13:39.30 | eevar2 | i'd rather not remove packages which depend on it tho, they'll still work |
| 13:39.49 | eevar2 | once i reinstall rubygems from source |
| 13:40.01 | enthbott | ah-ha! thankthee for your help! LD |
| 13:40.02 | enthbott | :D |
| 13:40.27 | abrotman | !tell eevar2 about equivs |
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| 13:40.54 | eevar2 | abrotman: thanks |
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| 13:43.44 | Numb[3]rS|HaWeR | hi, i have little doubt using route on etch. Im trying to del my default gw, but i dont know really what i should type.. i added it using "route -add default gw x.x.x.x", someone can help me? im little newbie :$ |
| 13:44.05 | abrotman | i thought you said delete? |
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| 13:45.35 | Numb[3]rS|HaWeR | yeah |
| 13:45.36 | Numb[3]rS|HaWeR | :) |
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| 13:51.39 | Numb[3]rS|HaWeR | so.. no body can helps ? :( |
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| 13:51.46 | CcK | Hi, someone knows how to add an option to pureftpd ? like -C 2 for exemple |
| 13:51.56 | SirStan | Whats the prefered ftpd for debian? |
| 13:52.01 | abrotman | Numb[3]rS|HaWeR: the man page tells you how to route del |
| 13:52.08 | abrotman | SirStan: most people like vsftpd |
| 13:52.11 | petemc | ip route add default via 1.2.3.4 |
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| 13:52.50 | dalias | vsftpd is the best ftpd unless you need warezserver type features |
| 13:53.08 | SirStan | dalias: can i have a login to your awrez server to see the difference in functionality? |
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| 13:53.19 | dalias | yes but it has a 100:1 ratio |
| 13:53.33 | dalias | you have to upload 100 appz to me to get access to downlad one :) |
| 13:53.38 | Numb[3]rS|HaWeR | thanks abrotman, but i wrote here cause im not making it work reading the manual ;) |
| 13:53.40 | SirStan | dd if=/dev/zero of=/Windows-7-RTM-Gold.DVD.Iso |
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| 13:55.03 | petemc | you'll find most ftpds dont support dd |
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| 13:56.30 | CcK | vsftpd is the best based on ? |
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| 13:57.00 | avu | based on the fact that it has the best security track record and is used by just about every big public ftp site |
| 13:59.07 | CcK | avu: yes but than you take a certain approach on best, if the guy has his own website and want some virtual users for exemple, isn't pure easier to install ? or pro in some cases ? Saying sometyhing is the best sounds always weird to me |
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| 14:00.11 | avu | CcK, well, I don't think "easy to install" ranks nearly as high as "secure" or even "fast" as far as servers go, and I don't think that's unreasonable |
| 14:00.25 | abrotman | hey .. windows is easy to install :) |
| 14:00.31 | avu | CcK, that being said, of course there is no absolute always-right way to say something is "best" |
| 14:00.37 | ranix | abrotman: press f8 to continue |
| 14:00.45 | ranix | abrotman: To delete this partition, press L |
| 14:00.48 | petemc | press enter to exit the recovery console |
| 14:00.55 | petemc | that always annoyed me |
| 14:00.55 | abrotman | i used proftpd for awhile .. though i don't think there were any DSAs for it during that time |
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| 14:01.16 | CcK | avu: i agree, btw i was reacting to dalias saying it's the best |
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| 14:01.22 | gimcrackgeek | does anyone know how to pipe the output of one command to the end of another? |
| 14:01.27 | CcK | avu: after all windows is the best ... at gaming :D |
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| 14:01.36 | mischief | gimcrackgeek, end of another? |
| 14:01.38 | abrotman | CcK: i'd say a console system is |
| 14:01.38 | ranix | gimcrackgeek: to the end? |
| 14:01.47 | ranix | you mean like xargs? |
| 14:01.48 | mischief | gimcrackgeek, maybe xargs |
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| 14:01.51 | gimcrackgeek | yes, to the end. |
| 14:01.53 | mischief | lol ranix |
| 14:01.54 | ranix | ls -1 | xargs cat? |
| 14:01.55 | gimcrackgeek | manning xargs. |
| 14:01.55 | avu | CcK, see, that's something I wouldn't agree with :) |
| 14:01.57 | SirStan | to whomever suggested vsftp -- thx -- its perfect. |
| 14:02.03 | ranix | mischief: hivemind |
| 14:02.08 | Ficthe | what would ls-1 do? |
| 14:02.16 | ranix | man ls foo |
| 14:02.18 | abrotman | Ficthe: ls -1 .. try it |
| 14:02.21 | avu | Ficthe, prompt you to read 'man ls'? |
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| 14:03.00 | Ficthe | I can't see a difference between the output of ls and ls -1, I'll rtm I guess ;\ |
| 14:03.12 | dalias | ranix, ls -1 | ... is useless |
| 14:03.14 | abrotman | Ficthe: it only makes a difference in certain conditions |
| 14:03.24 | dalias | ls always does 1-col output by default when output is not a tty |
| 14:03.28 | abrotman | dalias: no it's not |
| 14:03.35 | CcK | avu: i was joking ;) and i meant computer games, not consoles, where windows is jsut the best compared to linux / macos X |
| 14:03.35 | abrotman | and that's not true either |
| 14:03.49 | dalias | its specified as such by posix |
| 14:03.54 | ranix | dalias: you want to base your script's functionality on that assumption, be my guest |
| 14:03.56 | dalias | and parsing the output of ls is a bad idea, too :) |
| 14:04.10 | abrotman | dalias: everything is posix compliant? |
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| 14:04.42 | dalias | abrotman, to such a minimal extent, yes. and if it's not, who's to say it even has the options you expect? |
| 14:04.46 | ranix | it's a mostly valid assumption but I wouldn't call it useless |
| 14:05.12 | abrotman | dalias: anyways .. it's not useless |
| 14:05.13 | ranix | specifying specific constraints for a function is good coding practice in ALL cases |
| 14:05.14 | dalias | anyway parsing ls output is a bad idea too |
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| 14:05.39 | ranix | more readable too. you don't see ternary operators replacing for loops everywhere just because they're more concise |
| 14:05.43 | dalias | ls -1 | xargs cat is like a broken version of "cat *" |
| 14:06.00 | ranix | but it clearly demonstrates the purpose of xargs |
| 14:06.01 | dalias | it will break whenever filenames contain spaces, quotation marks, etc |
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| 14:06.11 | dalias | it clearly demonstrates BUGGY use of xargs |
| 14:06.17 | ranix | wtf |
| 14:06.22 | abrotman | anyways .. back to the original question ... |
| 14:06.23 | ranix | clean the sand out of your vagina dalias |
| 14:06.25 | babilen | how would a debian package grant PolicyKit actions for a user created by that package? |
| 14:06.29 | dalias | a script that invokes xargs that way is buggy |
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| 14:06.39 | gusto | hi folks |
| 14:06.39 | dalias | it will break on many very-plausible filenames |
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| 14:06.44 | gusto | i have a taring xorg |
| 14:06.53 | abrotman | a what? |
| 14:06.56 | gusto | does anybody know that problem? |
| 14:07.01 | wald0 | does the legacy (non-free) packages for nvidia are not maintained anymore ? the last version comes from november, i can't compile it on a newest than 2.6.26 kernel |
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| 14:07.16 | gusto | the picture tears on moving |
| 14:07.26 | dalias | gusto, in video/movies? |
| 14:07.33 | gusto | for example when I shake a window |
| 14:07.35 | gusto | yes |
| 14:07.44 | dalias | it's normal when you shake a window |
| 14:07.48 | gusto | and in mplayer with movies it s even more noticable |
| 14:07.54 | dalias | hmm |
| 14:08.00 | gusto | it isnt normal |
| 14:08.04 | dalias | make sure mplayer is using xv |
| 14:08.10 | gusto | yes |
| 14:08.18 | gusto | gl or gl2 tears even more |
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| 14:08.39 | dalias | gl or gl2 will tear unless you specify the suboption to use vsync wth gl, i think... |
| 14:08.41 | gusto | and when you enable xcompmgr, its even worse |
| 14:08.46 | dalias | xv is more likely to work |
| 14:08.47 | dalias | ah |
| 14:08.50 | dalias | yes |
| 14:08.58 | gusto | yes, I have tried that as well |
| 14:09.00 | dalias | compose probably breaks any hope of vsync working |
| 14:09.03 | dalias | turn off compose |
| 14:09.03 | gusto | doesnt help |
| 14:09.14 | gusto | I have tried it all |
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| 14:09.16 | abrotman | which video driver? |
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| 14:09.29 | gusto | i have tried it with intel, nv and nvidia |
| 14:09.35 | gusto | all have the same problem |
| 14:09.39 | petemc | try aalib |
| 14:09.44 | gusto | :-D |
| 14:09.46 | abrotman | you tried an intel driver on your nvidia card? |
| 14:09.46 | petemc | :) |
| 14:09.51 | gusto | no |
| 14:10.05 | gusto | I have a onboard intel graphics card |
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| 14:10.42 | gusto | and of course an nvidia ;-) on pcie |
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| 14:11.02 | gusto | however |
| 14:11.11 | gusto | I dot have the machine here |
| 14:11.15 | gusto | dont |
| 14:11.29 | gusto | I ll try it out with another OS in october |
| 14:11.39 | dalias | i would try turning off all the eyecandy stuff, fully disabling the composite extension, etc |
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| 14:11.43 | dalias | and see if it works right then |
| 14:11.50 | gusto | and then I ll see if I have a problem, which is directly related to linux/ debian |
| 14:12.18 | gusto | yes, when you disable eye candy, it will be less noticable, but still there |
| 14:12.20 | T3rmInAt0r | hey folks, when I try libcap sniffer programms I get : no suitable device found (ethernet isn't a suitable device?) |
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| 14:12.31 | dalias | gusto, with mplayer? |
| 14:12.42 | dalias | moving windows around the screen will _always_ tear |
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| 14:12.45 | joltcan | T3rmInAt0r: the device is the network interface is my guess. Are you root? |
| 14:12.45 | dalias | there's no solution for that |
| 14:12.50 | gusto | also with mplayer with xv as videoout |
| 14:12.55 | petemc | T3rmInAt0r: do you need to set the interface as promiscuous ? |
| 14:12.59 | dalias | but movie playing should not tear if the video out settings are right |
| 14:13.09 | gusto | yes |
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| 14:13.23 | ranix | aiglx can vsync draws, solving window tearing |
| 14:13.25 | gusto | it doesnt tear on my macbook with macosx |
| 14:13.44 | T3rmInAt0r | joltcan, you where right... I should start it as root... |
| 14:13.46 | gusto | and I dont remember I have experienced that on linux or another before |
| 14:13.51 | ranix | gusto: osx uses a 3d accelerated desktop |
| 14:13.56 | ranix | it's called Quartz |
| 14:13.59 | T3rmInAt0r | petemc, yes I need ot |
| 14:14.02 | T3rmInAt0r | *to |
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| 14:14.10 | petemc | T3rmInAt0r: you can do that with ifconfig |
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| 14:14.17 | gusto | so I think it may be a problem with xor |
| 14:14.17 | gusto | xorg |
| 14:14.40 | gusto | I read something about fixing that problem with tearing in xorg 1.4 and above |
| 14:14.43 | valdyn | xv can tear, gl should not tear |
| 14:14.46 | ranix | gusto: it's not a problem at all. What you want is called glx, openGL-accelerated xorg |
| 14:14.49 | gusto | I have a debian stable there with xorg 1.4 |
| 14:14.50 | T3rmInAt0r | petemc, I want to write a program with libcap |
| 14:15.14 | valdyn | and modern xv implementations should not tear either |
| 14:15.23 | gusto | yes |
| 14:15.28 | ranix | only the xrender xv implementations iirc |
| 14:15.28 | gusto | I will see |
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| 14:16.06 | ranix | tearing isn't a simple issue to solve because of poor vsync ability from video cards |
| 14:16.18 | gusto | I will test it in october with netbsd, and there I ll see if it will behave the same |
| 14:16.20 | ranix | iirc the only manufacturer that handles it properly is intel |
| 14:16.33 | gusto | yes |
| 14:16.37 | valdyn | aiglx should not tear ever |
| 14:16.40 | abrotman | cause they make awesome stuff! |
| 14:16.44 | gusto | my integrated intel graphics has the same problem |
| 14:17.03 | gusto | however |
| 14:17.04 | lcuk_the_grey | you guys on big fast modern hardware shouldnt ever encounter tearing, however on small embedded devices tearing is commonplace |
| 14:17.05 | dalias | mga g400 handles it right :) |
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| 14:17.24 | gusto | what I dont understand is, that I have on glxgears 5500 fps |
| 14:17.39 | valdyn | gusto: glxgears is not a benchmark for the gfx card |
| 14:17.47 | gusto | and vertically it doesnt tear, only horizontaly |
| 14:17.56 | dalias | lcuk_the_grey, fast computer does not reduce tearing at all |
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| 14:18.10 | gusto | yes |
| 14:18.11 | joltcan | T3rmInAt0r: Yeah, you need root access. Anyway, ethernet is not a device, its a protocol. An Ethernet Interface on the other hand |
| 14:18.13 | gusto | i noticed that |
| 14:18.33 | valdyn | gusto: using composite should completely remove tearing |
| 14:18.41 | valdyn | gusto: but maybe its something else you are seeing |
| 14:18.50 | T3rmInAt0r | joltcan, yes I know, I meant the eth0 (as it appears on ifconfig) |
| 14:18.54 | lcuk_the_grey | dalias, tearing occurs cos you are sending over data at the wrong time, fast computers usually have a nice quick bus through to graphics hardware so its not an issue (and may also have many buffers) |
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| 14:19.05 | gusto | valdyn: |
| 14:19.07 | gusto | yes |
| 14:19.08 | gusto | maybe |
| 14:19.23 | gusto | I have enabled composite |
| 14:19.23 | abrotman | lcuk_the_grey: that doesn't mean it won't happen |
| 14:19.45 | gusto | but as I know debian, its possible, taht he dosent take that and I have to install some lib |
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| 14:19.51 | valdyn | gusto: enabled does not mean you are using it |
| 14:19.58 | gusto | yes |
| 14:20.02 | gusto | thats the poin |
| 14:20.04 | gusto | point |
| 14:20.21 | gusto | I didnt look at the xorg.log |
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| 14:21.48 | gusto | so that may be the solution |
| 14:22.25 | gusto | and with testing it on otehr oses, there is quite good chance to solve it |
| 14:22.35 | gusto | ok |
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| 14:22.37 | T3rmInAt0r | joltcan, Couldn't get netmask for device : SIOCGIFADDR: : No such device AND Couldn't open device : SIOCGIFHWADDR: No such device .... why is that??? |
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| 14:22.56 | valdyn | T3rmInAt0r: because you have no such device, duh |
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| 14:23.26 | joltcan | T3rmInAt0r: No idea, never coded network stuff |
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| 14:23.54 | lcuk_the_grey | abrotman, ive been making a whole UI in the xv yuv layer - purely because on my target device its the only thing which doesnt tear |
| 14:24.02 | lcuk_the_grey | i hope its not as bad as you say on other hardware |
| 14:24.29 | valdyn | thats a funny solution |
| 14:24.30 | balzac5000 | Can anyone possibly shed some light on these SCSI errors I'm getting? http://pastebin.ca/1456650 This happens when I try to format a secondary drive... |
| 14:24.35 | valdyn | while youd just need to sync drawing |
| 14:24.39 | abrotman | lcuk_the_grey: hopefully you have otheres testing :) |
| 14:24.44 | balzac5000 | This is on etch and I'm trying to get a kernel version... |
| 14:24.50 | lcuk_the_grey | handheld nokia maemo linux super sliq ui : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY |
| 14:24.54 | lcuk_the_grey | yeah i do actually |
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| 14:25.03 | radivx | Hi, need some help getting the Network Manager to work with my Wireless-card after a fresh network install? |
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| 14:25.06 | lcuk_the_grey | and its amazing on my lenovo x41 in powersave mode :) |
| 14:25.19 | balzac5000 | kernel 2.6.18-6-486 #1 |
| 14:25.24 | lcuk_the_grey | as well as running perfectly on a little tiny 400mhz beasty |
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| 14:26.30 | gusto | HEY |
| 14:26.42 | ranix | !caps |
| 14:26.43 | dpkg | Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words, put an underscore ("_") on both sides. |
| 14:26.48 | gusto | i just turned my aspireone on, he has NOT this tearing problem |
| 14:27.19 | gusto | no |
| 14:27.20 | gusto | w8 |
| 14:27.23 | gusto | he has |
| 14:27.30 | gusto | but much less |
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| 14:29.06 | radivx | Anyone able to help me with wlan and Network Manager configuration? |
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| 14:30.09 | module000 | radivx: ask your question |
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| 14:31.53 | purplepenguins | radivx: what's the issue? |
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| 14:32.28 | dhblewis | im back with a quick question. is there a way to extract zip files using terminal |
| 14:32.36 | petemc | unzip |
| 14:32.38 | purplepenguins | dhblewis: unzip |
| 14:32.44 | dhblewis | thanks |
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| 14:34.14 | radivx | module000: Network manager will not work properly with wireless. wlan0 appears in iwconfig, no entry in /e/n/interfaces |
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| 14:36.03 | mischief | radivx, perhaps try wicd |
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| 14:36.20 | careta | hello all |
| 14:36.31 | radivx | mischief: What is wicd? |
| 14:36.35 | purplepenguins | i'll second the wicd suggestion |
| 14:36.53 | purplepenguins | radivx: http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:36.59 | mischief | radivx, a network manager i started using after NetworkManager started failing |
| 14:37.00 | careta | i'm running stable but I want to install xorg from unstable. can I do that just by downloading the .deb's and installing over the existing packages? |
| 14:37.18 | mischief | careta, yes |
| 14:37.27 | mischief | make sure you've the dependency packages too |
| 14:37.41 | careta | you mean make sure that the deps are the correct version right? |
| 14:37.41 | petemc | careta: better it to look for backported packages |
| 14:37.42 | radivx | purplepenguins, mischief; Will have a look at it =) |
| 14:37.45 | petemc | s/it/is/ |
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| 14:38.19 | dacs | how do i check if i have a group named printers |
| 14:38.34 | dacs | i did grep printer /etc/group no! |
| 14:38.38 | purplepenguins | i use it with a very unstable wifi signal, and it is much nicer than networkmanager (though a little less fancy ui) |
| 14:39.06 | dalias | wicd is pretty nice |
| 14:39.29 | dalias | but i wish it could integrate with gprs |
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| 14:39.41 | purplepenguins | i wish it integrated with vpnc |
| 14:39.42 | mischief | dalias, get coding! :p |
| 14:40.06 | dalias | or rather modem devices in general |
| 14:40.15 | dalias | so if i plug in a modem, it would run pon automatically |
| 14:40.28 | liable | NM can do modems |
| 14:40.37 | dalias | maybe i should switch to NM |
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| 14:40.46 | dalias | sadly tho it;s too bloated to install on my eeepc 2g surf |
| 14:40.53 | dalias | the hdd is almost full without gnome crap |
| 14:41.08 | liable | it has a qt and gtk version |
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| 14:41.36 | dacs | how do i check if i have a group named printers? |
| 14:41.50 | purplepenguins | check /etc/group |
| 14:41.56 | purplepenguins | if it's not there, you don't have a group named printers |
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| 14:42.50 | dacs | ls -la /etc/group |
| 14:42.51 | dacs | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 837 2009-04-28 14:16 /etc/group |
| 14:42.59 | mischief | .. |
| 14:42.59 | purplepenguins | no, the contents |
| 14:43.13 | liable | lol? |
| 14:43.19 | purplepenguins | open it in less or nano |
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| 14:43.38 | purplepenguins | or try `grep printers /etc/group` |
| 14:43.47 | purplepenguins | if you get no results then there is no group printers |
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| 14:43.58 | liable | i dont think there is a 'printers' froup, normally lpadmin iirc |
| 14:44.05 | module000 | !lol |
| 14:44.05 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 14:44.20 | liable | !fuck module000 |
| 14:44.30 | liable | wah, who removed that |
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| 14:45.05 | gusto | OK, I enabled composite on my aspireone with intel graphics and chcecked it on the log, and its really there, it works with eye candy and doesnt tear at all |
| 14:46.27 | ranix | excellent, grats gusto |
| 14:46.27 | gusto | yes |
| 14:46.28 | gusto | so there is a problem on my desktop |
| 14:46.28 | gusto | I am putting the nvidia commercial driver on suspicion |
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| 14:46.31 | gusto | I think, it broke my xorg there |
| 14:46.54 | dalias | :) |
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| 15:03.38 | Schuenemann | how can I know if my video card is set correctly? |
| 15:03.57 | liable | you get a working X? |
| 15:04.14 | Schuenemann | it was working fine, but now I can't run sdlmame at a reasonable fps... also, sometimes the computer hangs when I run blender |
| 15:04.18 | truthordare | i am accessing using nxclient... the nm-connections-editor which i take from sudo and su.. doesnt allow me to change/add any values.. it says policy kit error. ..any ideas?? |
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| 15:05.40 | balzac5000 | Can anyone possibly shed some light on these SCSI errors I'm getting? http://pastebin.ca/1456650 This happens when I try to format a drive. This is on kernel 2.6.18-6-486 #1 with an Adaptec 29160 card |
| 15:05.58 | T3rmInAt0r | a http filter is at port 80, an arp??? |
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| 15:06.51 | balzac5000 | The setup worked great up until I upgraded the drives themselves, so I'm thinking it's not a hardware issue (known good cable and card, new Seagate drives...) |
| 15:06.56 | Schuenemann | liable, I do. and direct rendering is enabled... but I get those problems |
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| 15:09.50 | eroticus | hi folks |
| 15:09.58 | eroticus | how can i use find to tell me how many subdirs /home has |
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| 15:11.00 | Optic | hi, i'm running on a minimal debian system that uses udhcpc... right now it fails if there's no net during ifup, but I'd like it to background. how do I configure udhcpc's command line? |
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| 15:15.33 | Authority | does dpkg have a similar function to 'rpm -V' (verify integrity of installed package)? |
| 15:15.41 | module000 | Authority: debsums |
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| 15:16.43 | nkuttler | Optic: doesn't it come with a config file? |
| 15:17.15 | nkuttler | Optic: if there's no networking yet you might want to change the init script order |
| 15:17.21 | Authority | module000: thanks, I'll take a look at that |
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| 15:17.55 | Schuenemann | how can I know if my video card is set correctly? |
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| 15:17.58 | Schuenemann | it was working fine, but now I can't run sdlmame at a reasonable fps... also, sometimes the computer hangs when I run blender |
| 15:18.10 | linduxed | i found out what the ticktack was! |
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| 15:18.55 | Optic | nkuttler: nah, there's actually an ancient open bug |
| 15:19.05 | Optic | asking for ifupdown to be configured from /etc/defaults like it should be |
| 15:19.09 | Optic | but of course it's been ignored |
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| 15:19.45 | Optic | the udhcpc command line options are hard-coded in the ifupdown package |
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| 15:22.36 | yosoi | h |
| 15:22.55 | yosoi | h |
| 15:23.05 | mrtnt | if I do "fsck -a"(Automatically repair the file system without any questions) then am I right, that fsck marks all bad sectors and tries to recover the data on those bad sectors? If yes, how can fsck recover data which he can not read from bad sector? Does fsch use some kind of ECC? |
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| 15:23.36 | mrtnt | *fsck |
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| 15:25.19 | \amethyst | mrtnt: fsck does not check for bad blocks unless you give it -c |
| 15:25.38 | cabrey | Is there a dpkg function to check whether all the installed files of a package have changed? |
| 15:25.47 | flami | Hi, Im trying to use a netinst iso on my usb stick. but the installer cant seem to find any iso. what can i do? ^^ |
| 15:25.57 | \amethyst | mrtnt: it simply looks for and repairs filesystem errors (e.g. a directory entry that points to a non-existent file) |
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| 15:26.59 | \amethyst | mrtnt: when you check for bad blocks (with badblocks or fsck -c), the erroneous blocks are not corrected. Rather, what data can be read from them is moved to a different block, and the bad block is marked so that it is not used again |
| 15:27.31 | \amethyst | mrtnt: if there was filesystem metadata in the bad block, fsck may be able to correct it. If the block contained data from a file, that file is corrupted |
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| 15:29.30 | Theoden | Linux Curmudgeon 2.6.30-theo.1 #1 SMP Wed Jun 10 15:19:27 PDT 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:32.39 | mrtnt | \amethyst: ok, so there is no Error Correction Code used? |
| 15:32.41 | bmoll8 | hey guys; I recently copied one partition to another using 'dd'; the old partition had 4 gigs of space, and was running out. The target partition has 20 gigs of space; however, when I copied over the source partition to the target, mounted the target at /usr, and ran df -h, it tells me that the target partition has 4 gigs of space, and that 4 gigs has been used. Gparted tells me that the target has 20 gigs of space, and 20 gigs has bee |
| 15:33.14 | petemc | bmoll8: if you wanted free space, you should have used cp to copy the data |
| 15:33.46 | bmoll8 | petemc: funny thing is, it still works...just odd |
| 15:33.57 | bmoll8 | petemc: I can keep adding data with no repurcussions |
| 15:34.01 | \amethyst | mrtnt: correct. The controller does error correction on data transferred between the controller and the drive, but that doesn't help if the data on the drive is wrong |
| 15:34.10 | bmoll8 | petemc: so what options do I have? |
| 15:34.11 | ranix | bmoll8: run a fsck |
| 15:34.21 | \amethyst | mrtnt: this is one of the reasons servers etc use RAID 1 or RAID 5 |
| 15:34.23 | bmoll8 | ranix: already did that |
| 15:34.26 | ranix | rly? |
| 15:34.28 | bmoll8 | ranix: it didn't help |
| 15:34.33 | bmoll8 | ranix: yeah |
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| 15:34.52 | \amethyst | mrtnt: RAID 1 mirrors the data across two (or more) drives, so that if a bad block is encountered on one drive the data can be taken from another |
| 15:34.59 | petemc | bmoll8: perhaps try to resize the fs, i havent encountered that exacr situation |
| 15:35.05 | ranix | that's pretty messed up |
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| 15:35.36 | \amethyst | mrtnt: RAID 5 stripes parity information across a set of 3 or more drives, so that if a bad block is encountered it can be corrected using the data on the other drives |
| 15:36.38 | \amethyst | mrtnt: both result in having less usable space than you would have if you used the disks raw. E.g. a RAID 1 across a number of 1TB drives will give you 1TB of usable space; a RAID 5 across 6 1TB drives will give you 5TB of space |
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| 15:37.07 | \amethyst | mrtnt: RAID 1 also has the advantage of making things faster; RAID 5, however, can slow down writes dramatically |
| 15:37.14 | Polarina | can only imagine RAID 1 being superior to RAID 5. |
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| 15:38.17 | \amethyst | mrtnt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 15:38.55 | \amethyst | Polarina: unless your metric is "amount of disk space per dollar" |
| 15:39.21 | Polarina | \amethyst: I see. |
| 15:40.14 | mrtnt | \amethyst: ok, thanks! One more thing: why directory entry sometimes points to non-existing file? |
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| 15:42.07 | \amethyst | mrtnt: possibly a bug in the filesystem code, but more likely because of either 1) an improper shutdown while data is still waiting to be written to disk or 2) an error with the disk or controller that causes the wrong data to be written |
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| 15:44.26 | oznt | hi everyone, for a couple of weeks now I try to compile java for octave without success. It's really weired - what is debian doing to java ? Can someone help ? |
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| 15:48.06 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 15:48.06 | dpkg | <zhangsha> is there System for analysis of financial markets with debian? <petemc> anything that can plot a graph at a downward angle should work |
| 15:48.25 | liable | hah |
| 15:48.33 | sepult | !qotd0 |
| 15:48.34 | dpkg | * Guerin -> skool | <abrotman> where Guerin learns to control his irc client :) | <Guerin> amphi: i can control my irc client!!!1 |
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| 15:51.39 | abrotman | you called me for that?! |
| 15:52.00 | liable | back in your box! |
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| 16:00.57 | solarwar | hi, resolvconf is not generating the correct domain line in resolv.conf, how can i correct this? |
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| 16:02.28 | MrFreeze^ | Hi |
| 16:02.32 | t0astbandit | hi |
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| 16:03.09 | t0astbandit | solarwar, if i'm not mistaken, you should be able to just edit the file |
| 16:03.26 | MrFreeze^ | I work on a project which focuse on HDD. Does anybody know why HDD rotate at speed like 7200rpm ? I've no clues |
| 16:03.52 | solarwar | t0astbandit, resolvconf the program overwrites the file |
| 16:04.03 | t0astbandit | ahh |
| 16:04.04 | t0astbandit | bugger |
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| 16:04.14 | dalias | the faster it rotates, the less time it'll take to get an opportunity to read a particular angular position |
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| 16:04.25 | t0astbandit | i'm kind of a debian noob. i've mostly used slackware and centos |
| 16:04.57 | t0astbandit | has anyone dealt with raid arrays over 2TB? |
| 16:05.06 | sepult | MrFreeze^: to lower the read access time |
| 16:05.18 | t0astbandit | i've one with 14TB and can't get the box to see anything over 2tb |
| 16:05.19 | radivx | Any suggestions on problems with Intel wireless on Debian Testing? The card shows up under iwconfig; ifconfig wlan0 up returns "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory"; and network manager won't show available networks. A couple of tools tells that the card is "disconnected" |
| 16:06.15 | MrFreeze^ | there is a mathematical reason for these speed (7200 instead of 7000, 7500) or .. ? |
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| 16:07.14 | MrFreeze^ | it's a mechanical or numerical issue ? |
| 16:07.21 | cahoot | radivx: you have firmware-iwlwifi in place? |
| 16:07.34 | sepult | MrFreeze^: mechanical and numerical issue?! |
| 16:07.53 | sepult | MrFreeze^: it has to be even ? |
| 16:08.00 | dalias | no idea |
| 16:08.57 | MrFreeze^ | we have conduct expriment which measure the angle of the arm inside the disk on different disk operation |
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| 16:09.24 | MrFreeze^ | and I was wondering why this particular value of rotation, 7200rpm |
| 16:09.49 | sepult | MrFreeze^: maybe it's an optimum ? |
| 16:10.17 | radivx | cahoot: no... is that perhaps the problem? |
| 16:10.31 | sepult | MrFreeze^: for the mass of the plate and the diameter and the lenght of the arm and the speed desired ? |
| 16:10.33 | MrFreeze^ | but this is not verified with 2,5" disk |
| 16:10.38 | cahoot | radivx: well it's essential |
| 16:10.41 | MrFreeze^ | there is 7200 and 5400 disk |
| 16:10.57 | MrFreeze^ | is it a norm ? |
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| 16:11.08 | cahoot | radivx: you need non-free sources enabled IIRC |
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| 16:12.48 | MrFreeze^ | it's appear not to be a interface problem (IDE and Sata has same rotation speed) |
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| 16:13.46 | radivx | cahoot: Worked now, after a reboot. Thanks a lot =) |
| 16:13.47 | sepult | MrFreeze^: so it's rather a mechanical issue then |
| 16:13.55 | \amethyst | MrFreeze^: possibly because they are simple fractions of 60Hz |
| 16:14.17 | \amethyst | MrFreeze^: 5400 RPM is 90 Hz, 7200 RPM is 120 Hz |
| 16:14.37 | MrFreeze^ | nice one |
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| 16:15.11 | Sargun | How do I get an ARM rootfs? |
| 16:15.25 | \amethyst | more likely to do with the cost of commodity parts rather than any actual electromechanical advantage |
| 16:15.50 | \amethyst | especially since mains is not 60 Hz everywhere, and hard drives don't get AC anyway |
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| 16:17.47 | MrFreeze^ | for the cost, I think it will be the same if we had only 8000rpm engines, maybe a norm ... |
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| 16:18.33 | enouf | 15k screamers only :-p |
| 16:18.59 | enouf | we need faster and more seek speed with density of disk increases |
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| 16:20.44 | fxiny | enouf: a magnetar slice will do ;) |
| 16:21.00 | Janni | Hi. I just set up a KDE-based debian for my sister. When she plugged in her MP3-player, it was automatically mounted to /media/MP3PLAYER. Who did this? |
| 16:21.09 | Janni | autofs is not installed |
| 16:21.26 | sepult | Janni: the kernel automounter |
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| 16:21.58 | maligor | isn't it pmount? |
| 16:22.14 | themill | Janni: KDE with the help of hal do that for you. KDE would normally ask if you want to do it first though, but you can tell it to always do this. |
| 16:22.33 | radivx | Anyone know when Dosbox 0.73 will be added to testing repos? |
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| 16:23.18 | yaaar | howdy |
| 16:23.23 | Sargun | How do I just get an embedded debian rootfs? |
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| 16:24.24 | yaaar | a bit confused here. was just looking to setup an ssl site on my 4.1 server, but the instructions here: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Setting_up_an_SSL_server_with_Apache2 ask me to run a script called 'apache2-ssl-certificate' which I don't have. Anybody know where I'm supposed to get that, or if there's been a replacement or something? |
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| 16:28.09 | themill | !apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 16:28.10 | dpkg | well, apache2-ssl-certificate is no longer present: ask me about <self-signed ssl key> or use make-ssl-cert from package 'ssl-cert' instead. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398520, or make-ssl-cert /usr/share/ssl-cert/ssleay.cnf /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem |
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| 16:31.44 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 16:33.49 | MrFreeze^ | \amethyst: thanks, we have found more information with the 60Hz clue |
| 16:34.22 | MrFreeze^ | look at http://tinyurl.com/n6aaju |
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| 16:35.26 | \amethyst | MrFreeze^: that's about AC motors though |
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| 16:42.02 | Trewas | come to think of it, it is quite weird that all manufacturers are sticking to same few rpm choices for hdds, marketing departments should like "rpm race" with the competitors :) |
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| 16:47.15 | yaaar | thanks, themill, make-ssl-cert worked just fine |
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| 16:49.01 | tox2ik | is there a cool package or hack to make apt-get or aptitude display colorized output ? |
| 16:49.13 | truthordare | is this script correct? i am unable to get the result.. i had put it in rc.local as well as /etc/rcS.d/ http://paste.debian.net/38780/ |
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| 16:49.35 | rudi_s | tox2ik: aptitude does already if your term is set correctly. |
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| 16:50.10 | tox2ik | rudi_s: ok |
| 16:50.31 | tox2ik | truthordare: i don't think you can use 7.7.7.7 |
| 16:50.34 | themill | truthordare: depends what filename you gave it |
| 16:50.59 | truthordare | tox2ik : i can make it work when i execute it manually |
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| 16:51.25 | truthordare | i mean sudo /etc/rc.local start works perfect.. but i want it to do that automagically at boot.. thats not happening |
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| 16:52.03 | tox2ik | rudi_s: this is on lenny ? |
| 16:52.31 | rudi_s | tox2ik: Yes. Just run aptitude. |
| 16:52.41 | truthordare | themill : i gave it S99myifconfig when i put it in rcS.d and rc.local for etc/rc.local... no it doesnt work either way at boot time.. |
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| 16:53.25 | truthordare | please guys.. i really am breaking my head ovwer this for 3 hours now.. ;( |
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| 16:54.40 | jimcooncat | got an sdsl line with simple LAN behind it (static public IP). Want to provide guest access, both wired and wireless, without guests having access to LAN. Should I get a hub, second IP from my ISP, then have two routers connect? |
| 16:54.52 | tox2ik | rudi_s: a plain xterm should do, right? |
| 16:55.12 | rudi_s | tox2ik: Yes. It does for me. |
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| 16:55.37 | truthordare | jimcooncat : get a firewall or make ur own debian multihomed one ;) |
| 16:56.03 | gimcrackgeek | I'm sorry. I was here a while ago with a question, but had to leave the kbd for a couple hours. I ask again: Is there any way I can take the output of one command and, after that command has completed, slap it onto the end of the next command? |
| 16:56.07 | gnusosa | Hi, how can i find the sizes of files in a specific partition? |
| 16:56.18 | jimcooncat | truthordare: thanks, I'll look up what multihoming is all about. |
| 16:56.25 | gimcrackgeek | gnusosa, have you treid sudo fdisk -l? |
| 16:56.36 | ranix | gnusosa: du |
| 16:56.36 | gimcrackgeek | or 'sudo gparted' ? |
| 16:56.49 | rudi_s | gimcrackgeek: What do you mean with 'slap it into the end of the next command'? |
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| 16:56.52 | truthordare | take a deb server and get 3 nic.. 1st nic go to sdsl 2nd nic to lan and 3rd nic to guest.. implement iptables and ur all well ;) |
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| 16:57.13 | gnusosa | i have tried "du /" and gives me files in the partitions i do not need. |
| 16:57.18 | ranix | gimcrackgeek: man xargs |
| 16:57.19 | gimcrackgeek | eh... 'slap' as in append |
| 16:57.40 | dalias | gnusosa, du -x / |
| 16:57.41 | gnusosa | let's say i only want files from / but no my separate partition /home |
| 16:58.07 | gimcrackgeek | ? |
| 16:58.07 | ranix | gimcrackgeek: ls -1 | xargs rm will do rm (filename) for each file printed by ls |
| 16:58.10 | truthordare | anyone ha experience in init script?? please help me... |
| 16:58.20 | ranix | gimcrackgeek: of course, spacing will mess up rm |
| 16:58.24 | rudi_s | gimcrackgeek: Yeah, but what does append mean for you. Should it be fed to stdin of the second app? |
| 16:58.25 | ranix | but that's how it gos |
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| 16:59.04 | jimcooncat | truthordare: any suggestions on a simple iptables setup? I just happen to have a blank server with 3 nics. Should I use something like firehol? |
| 16:59.35 | dalias | ranix, that is incorrect use of xargs |
| 16:59.44 | rudi_s | jimcooncat: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html |
| 16:59.51 | ranix | dalias: no shit, stuff it |
| 16:59.52 | gimcrackgeek | Ok, let me rephrase: I type a command (find / -name file -print0" then I stick the output of that onto the end of ' |
| 16:59.56 | rudi_s | It's a long tutorial but it tells you everthing you need. |
| 16:59.59 | truthordare | firehol is fine.. but eventually u need to learn up and understand the commands used... moreimportantly even when using firehol.. know the concept of "stateful" firewall and also read up on iptables |
| 16:59.59 | gimcrackgeek | whoops... |
| 17:00.03 | gimcrackgeek | Oh ok. |
| 17:00.06 | ranix | dalias: it's sufficient for explaining the use of xargs to an unsophisticated user |
| 17:00.09 | jimcooncat | thanks much rudi_s and truthordare |
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| 17:00.11 | dalias | ranix, stop teaching ppl incorrect usage |
| 17:00.26 | xattack | does any buddy know if theres a soluton for this issue with the kernel error "net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding" is an unknown key debian lenny , im trying to tests some ipv6 settings in lenny, but its not possible , any solution ? |
| 17:00.33 | themill | ranix: that is pretty evil. (a) parsing ls (b) not using -0 .... eeek! |
| 17:00.43 | ranix | dalias: you want to explain to him how to while read filename; do foo; done? |
| 17:00.51 | ranix | dalias: be my guest |
| 17:01.13 | ranix | when he asked "how do I append the output of a command to the end of something" |
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| 17:02.46 | ranix | how about find . -type d -name ".svn" -print | xargs rm -rf |
| 17:03.03 | dalias | that's even more broken |
| 17:03.18 | gimcrackgeek | sorry, didn't finish typing that one. |
| 17:03.19 | dalias | find . -type d -name .svn -exec rm -rf '{}' + |
| 17:03.20 | ranix | from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xargs |
| 17:03.25 | ranix | so go fix it |
| 17:03.42 | azeem | dalias: it's not clear why one is better than the other |
| 17:03.52 | dalias | because mine works |
| 17:04.02 | dalias | and ranix's goes to hell if any filenamescontain whitespace or quotaiton marks |
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| 17:04.11 | azeem | to hell? |
| 17:04.22 | ranix | no, actually, it does exactly what it's supposed to |
| 17:04.35 | dalias | it works only as long as the pathnames don't contain spaces or quotation marks |
| 17:04.41 | ranix | the purpose is not to perform rm's or cats |
| 17:04.41 | dalias | mine works regardless |
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| 17:04.44 | azeem | dalias: even then it works for all the others |
| 17:04.52 | ranix | the purpose is to illustrate what xargs does |
| 17:04.52 | azeem | dalias: and that case was not part of the spec |
| 17:05.12 | utmega | so you just do a : -print0 | xargs -0 rm -rf |
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| 17:05.27 | utmega | that workds |
| 17:05.29 | themill | find/xargs without -print0 and -0 is a really bad habit to get into |
| 17:05.31 | utmega | *workfs |
| 17:05.39 | dalias | xargs is a bad habit. period |
| 17:05.42 | ranix | none of those are simple enough for showing someone who doesn't even know correct terminology what xargs does so that he can read a manpage about it |
| 17:05.44 | dalias | find -exec is what you want |
| 17:05.52 | ranix | that's not what he asked for |
| 17:05.57 | ranix | you are a tool |
| 17:06.04 | dalias | xargs should not be used unlessy youre an expert on it |
| 17:06.09 | dalias | it leads to buggy scripts |
| 17:06.19 | azeem | who said it's for a script? |
| 17:06.22 | dalias | just like gets() should never be used in C code |
| 17:06.29 | dalias | and anyone who uses it in an example is a tool |
| 17:06.43 | azeem | ok, let's stop it right here |
| 17:06.46 | themill | suspects this should move to #debian-offtopic |
| 17:06.48 | ranix | he pretty much specifically asked for xargs |
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| 17:07.02 | ranix | the only other good answer would be a while read example |
| 17:07.06 | ranix | period |
| 17:07.08 | dalias | nope |
| 17:07.11 | arch3angel | hello everyone I hope you're doing fine - I have an older HP NetServer LP1000r I am trying to install Debian 5 Lenny on and it can not seem to find the driver for the disk drive and I did some searching and found the driver is sym53c8xx which is on the list but it will not take that - I also read it needs to be manually installed - does anyone know how I am to install this sym53c8xx driver manually? - Thanks! |
| 17:07.13 | utmega | whats bad about xargs in a non-script situation? |
| 17:07.23 | azeem | ranix, dalias: stop it now |
| 17:07.27 | azeem | or take it elsewhere |
| 17:07.32 | dalias | utmega, well you have to check and make sure all the flenames work ok iwth xagrs... |
| 17:07.36 | dalias | azeem, ok |
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| 17:08.07 | ranix | he trolled the shit out of me |
| 17:08.20 | arch3angel | anyone? |
| 17:08.33 | azeem | he didn't even ask about filenames specifically |
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| 17:08.42 | gimcrackgeek | Ok, I'll go read up on xargs then. /c8 |
| 17:08.50 | fxiny | ranix: do you want a new halo ? |
| 17:09.12 | ranix | fxiny: no thanks, I still have 26 payments left on this one |
| 17:09.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | liable, did the bots leave on their own? |
| 17:10.13 | arch3angel | anyone know about this sym53c8xx driver issue and how to overcome it |
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| 17:11.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in kernels >=2.6.26 |
| 17:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell arch3angel -about apt-file |
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| 17:12.58 | arch3angel | i am trying to install fresh and wont get past this |
| 17:13.09 | arch3angel | if i select not on list it asks for removable media |
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| 17:13.29 | arch3angel | what kernel is Debian Lenny (downloaded it a few days ago |
| 17:13.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | "it will not take that"? |
| 17:13.49 | arch3angel | i know what apt-get is |
| 17:14.00 | arch3angel | it comes to a list of drivers |
| 17:14.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why I didn't let dpkg tell you about apt-get, but about apt-file |
| 17:14.12 | arch3angel | sym53c8xx is on this list but says it does nto work |
| 17:15.46 | arch3angel | is it possible to put this drive on a usb stick |
| 17:15.53 | g00se | Isn't it a bit weird when javac hangs in /tmp and order is restored when a box i've got an nfs mount to is rebooted? |
| 17:15.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you get it to work anytime with any linux? |
| 17:15.58 | arch3angel | and then let it look for the usb stick for the driver |
| 17:16.35 | delaman | running into some font problem while trying to run vncserver , http://pastebin.com/ddb30d08 this is my error |
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| 17:17.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also sym53c416 and 2.6.29 actually has "sym53c8xx_2" |
| 17:17.49 | arch3angel | let me check - runnin back to the server |
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| 17:19.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't have a 2.6.29 kernel on an installation cd |
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| 17:22.09 | Decepticon | what utility can i use to make screenshots (timed snapshots at regular intervals arranged into one file) of video files on command line |
| 17:22.17 | arch3angel | i selected the sym53c416 and it returned to the debian installer menu - i then went down on to partitioning and it went back to the list of drivers |
| 17:22.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess you refer to this here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=391645 |
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| 17:22.47 | arch3angel | yes i read over that |
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| 17:24.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | this here http://tldp.org/HOWTO/HP-HOWTO/hp-hardware.html says you need kernel module version ..."ym53c8xx driver with a version upon 1.6c." |
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| 17:25.06 | arch3angel | i looked over this too |
| 17:25.28 | arch3angel | but i dont understand what i am looking at or need to accomplish to get this working |
| 17:25.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version does 2.6.26 have |
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| 17:26.16 | arch3angel | this is what i looked at as well that said manual install |
| 17:26.18 | arch3angel | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/HP-HOWTO/hp-hardware.html#LPXKR |
| 17:26.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I have the feeling it's just the wrong driver... |
| 17:27.07 | arch3angel | me too |
| 17:27.11 | gimcrackgeek | so say I wanted to take the output of "find /home/gimcrackgeek/ -name thing.file" and *append* it to my next command "dirname" , so 'dirname' command would come out as 'dirname /home/gimcrackgeek/Desktop/somefolder/thing.txt' |
| 17:27.15 | arch3angel | but not sure how to find the right one |
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| 17:27.17 | gimcrackgeek | I would use xargs? |
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| 17:28.12 | arch3angel | brb |
| 17:28.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could... |
| 17:29.00 | ranix | find has an e-exec parameter that does that for you |
| 17:29.06 | ranix | an -exec rather |
| 17:29.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | you probably also want find -0 and xargs -0 |
| 17:29.31 | ranix | but it could still do that |
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| 17:29.59 | ranix | he doesn't need -0 |
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| 17:30.36 | gimcrackgeek | do you know what the exec is? |
| 17:30.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | also bash can do the job of dirname on a variable |
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| 17:31.31 | gimcrackgeek | Either way, I still probably need the xargs command, as I still have to put the folder path on the end of something else. :P |
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| 17:31.40 | themill | gimcrackgeek: you can change the output of find to just give you the path |
| 17:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !real question |
| 17:31.51 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem> |
| 17:31.57 | dacs | what is 2>&1 in /dev/null 2>&1 mean |
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| 17:33.08 | Mikaze | What's a lesbian? |
| 17:33.40 | nkuttler | dacs: see man bash, redirection |
| 17:33.45 | gimcrackgeek | =__= Goodbye, everyone. Have a nice daaay! |
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| 17:34.02 | kotau | crack indeed |
| 17:34.29 | revlo | hi, if I want to know what happened to libalps-bin in lenny where do I have to look? found noting so far googeling? (just that it is removed) (and even better how I may install alps in lenny) |
| 17:35.26 | nkuttler | revlo: search the dev mailing list? |
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| 17:38.06 | Posterdati | hi |
| 17:38.37 | Posterdati | please help I need to mount a dvdrom with the possibility to execute scripts from it... |
| 17:39.17 | JPT | mount it |
| 17:39.45 | JPT | mkdir -p /mnt/dvd && mount /dev/<dvd-device> /mnt/dvd |
| 17:39.48 | zeta3 | why doesn't debian have wgetpaste sigh |
| 17:39.51 | zeta3 | is there something similar |
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| 17:40.36 | nkuttler | zeta3: is that some pastebin script? |
| 17:40.47 | zeta3 | yeah |
| 17:40.57 | nkuttler | zeta3: apt-cache search pastebin |
| 17:40.57 | themill | pastebinit |
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| 17:41.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, asking him for the real question just scared him |
| 17:41.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | *away |
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| 17:42.11 | Schuenemann | how can I know if my video card is set correctly? |
| 17:42.15 | careta | have you guys heard of any major breakage recently because of an upgrade to testing? I'm thinking of upgrading |
| 17:42.23 | Schuenemann | I mean configured correctly |
| 17:42.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | zeta3, because you need only so many pastebin scripts? |
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| 17:43.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | careta, apt-listbugs |
| 17:43.28 | careta | is that a command? |
| 17:43.31 | kotau | Schuenemann, you should probably research your monitor to find the correct horizontal and vertical sync levels and plug them into xorg.conf |
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| 17:44.01 | Schuenemann | kotau, I used to play sdlmame ok, but now I get a poor fps |
| 17:44.06 | Schuenemann | fps rate |
| 17:44.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | careta, "apt-cache show apt-listbugs"? |
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| 17:44.42 | BenBE2 | I've multiple questions: |
| 17:44.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Schuenemann, glxinfo |grep direc.*ender |
| 17:45.01 | careta | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 17:45.12 | BenBE2 | First: How to get apt-listbugs to show me open bugs for all installed packages? |
| 17:45.20 | Schuenemann | CutMeOwnThroat, yes |
| 17:45.38 | BenBE2 | Second, Why is bind9 build without MySQL DLZ support by default? |
| 17:45.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | as in direct rendering: Yes ? |
| 17:45.44 | Schuenemann | CutMeOwnThroat, but sdlmame is not ok. And sometimes the computer hangs when I open blender |
| 17:45.52 | Schuenemann | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, that heh |
| 17:45.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be ok then |
| 17:46.10 | Schuenemann | it's ok =/ |
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| 17:46.21 | Schuenemann | oops |
| 17:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | might be a glitch in the driver... my X used to crash for a while when I used googleearth |
| 17:46.24 | Schuenemann | I mean it's not =/ |
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| 17:46.48 | Schuenemann | maybe, but it was ok before. |
| 17:46.49 | kotau | whats your glxgears test give you? |
| 17:47.05 | Schuenemann | kotau, about 1100 |
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| 17:47.20 | Schuenemann | it used to give me 800 and things worked better |
| 17:47.33 | Schuenemann | let me paste my xorg.conf |
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| 17:48.01 | Sargun | Wheredo I get a /etc/apt/sources.list for debian lenny armel? |
| 17:48.23 | nick4 | Are there any Chrome or Chromium packages for Squeeze? I head it's on Alpha. |
| 17:48.23 | Sargun | dpkg, sources.list |
| 17:48.24 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 17:48.37 | Schuenemann | kotau, CutMeOwnThroat, http://www.pastebin.ca/1456844 |
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| 17:49.51 | simonrvn | i very much doubt chrom{e,ium} is anywhere near packaged for debian. it runs on linux x86 only TMK. |
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| 17:50.22 | JackGray | can you simulate the function keycodes from inside a terminal (i.e. if you don't have them on your keyboard) |
| 17:51.46 | nkuttler | JackGray: google escape sequence function keys? |
| 17:51.56 | ranix | I can hold alt and press letters |
| 17:52.06 | Schuenemann | sigh |
| 17:52.08 | JackGray | nkuttler: got it, thanks |
| 17:52.10 | ranix | that may be something specific I enabled, or something to do with xterm and/or screen |
| 17:52.40 | enthdegree | does anyone know which option for 'find' makes the output display only the file's path? |
| 17:53.02 | \amethyst | enthdegree: only the directory portion? |
| 17:53.04 | simonrvn | the manual does |
| 17:53.18 | enthdegree | yes, just the directory portion. |
| 17:53.21 | ranix | simonrvn: you want him to go on a man find? |
| 17:53.25 | ranix | lol |
| 17:53.39 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 17:54.06 | ranix | enthdegree: nobody has ever made this joke before, you see |
| 17:54.10 | \amethyst | enthdegree: -printf '%h\n' |
| 17:54.13 | ranix | it is fresh and original |
| 17:54.26 | enthdegree | I can tell, ranix. (; |
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| 17:54.48 | enthdegree | *thank you* |
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| 17:55.44 | Mal3ko | im wondering..how do you copy all files in a folder/subfolders while skipping some files from a filelist |
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| 17:57.04 | ranix | Mal3ko: I would do a find -type f -maxdepth 1 | while read filename | do if $filename etc. but would need to look up syntax for the if evaluation |
| 17:57.16 | Posterdati | JPT: it's automatically mounted by kde |
| 17:57.28 | nkuttler | Mal3ko: i'd do cp `cat list` blah |
| 17:58.24 | Mal3ko | the list is skip-copying-list |
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| 17:58.54 | Mal3ko | which contain file name with full path |
| 17:59.21 | ranix | I think it would be worth making a little sh/bash script to do that, Mal3ko |
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| 18:01.07 | Posterdati | JPT: mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd0 /mnt -o exec |
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| 18:01.50 | sernin | Mal3ko: rsync --exclude-from |
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| 18:02.39 | simonrvn | !win \amethyst |
| 18:02.39 | dpkg | Congratulations, \amethyst! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 18:02.48 | simonrvn | mmm, spam |
| 18:02.51 | topgun21 | Has Any one gotten the bcm 4312 A/B/G wifi cvard on a lenovo 3000 N500 working with debian? |
| 18:02.53 | simonrvn | not |
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| 18:04.35 | Schuenemann | dpkg wifi |
| 18:04.35 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 18:07.53 | flokuehn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.05 | SQlvpapir | flokuehn: I agree |
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| 18:08.54 | simonrvn | i'm quite speechless right now |
| 18:10.08 | topgun21 | Is ebian using the 2.6.30 kernel yest? |
| 18:10.30 | simonrvn | it was released yesterday ffs |
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| 18:10.37 | simonrvn | if you want it, build it |
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| 18:11.06 | simonrvn | packages don't just magically appear out of the sky |
| 18:11.26 | topgun21 | I suess that debian wil probably upgrade to the kernel in by the next release |
| 18:11.31 | amf | If I need to build a specific package (libz to be exact) in 32bit when I'm on amd64, is there a debian way to do this? |
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| 18:12.28 | topgun21 | amf: You neesd to usse a fake root |
| 18:12.41 | ChrisW | hey all, got 2 SATA attached drives, trying to copy a few GB between them, is taking literally hours... |
| 18:12.44 | SQlvpapir | amf: chroot could be used too |
| 18:12.48 | ChrisW | anyone know how I might debug why that is? |
| 18:13.04 | patrikf | amf: that's prepackaged in lib32z1 |
| 18:13.17 | SQlvpapir | chrisw check it out with hdparm.. maybe the drives properties is not detected right |
| 18:13.43 | ChrisW | where do I find hdparm? |
| 18:13.53 | topgun21 | amf: Is there a spacific reason why you are so keen on 64bit? |
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| 18:14.21 | amf | patrikf: Bingo! Thanks |
| 18:14.46 | amf | topgun21: This: "libz.so.1: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" |
| 18:15.34 | topgun21 | !32bit |
| 18:15.56 | topgun21 | OIakm starting to regret doin a network instaalation |
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| 18:16.43 | topgun21 | I am starting to regret doin a network instaalation |
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| 18:17.15 | ranix | why would you regret it |
| 18:17.39 | gnusosa | Hi, anybody successfully installed debian on an iMac 2.5ghz Intel? |
| 18:18.16 | ChrisW | SQlvpapir: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/122508/ |
| 18:18.20 | ChrisW | that's what hdparm says |
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| 18:18.46 | ranix | gnusosa: probably |
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| 18:18.46 | carrot | hi, i'm having a problem getting grub to work-- for some reason it insists on reading from an old config file that -- i have no idea where it is, and locate/find can't find it -- has the wrong information for the kernel. It boots properly when I give it the right information but it always goes back to the wrong settings on reboot. |
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| 18:18.57 | gnusosa | ranix: What model? |
| 18:19.26 | topgun21 | !broadcom |
| 18:19.26 | dpkg | For wireless cards using Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>, <b43legacy> or <bcm43xx>. For Ethernet cards, ask me about <bcm5906m> to use NetLink BCM5906M with Linux 2.6.18 (Etch), or see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux for BCM47XX series. |
| 18:19.39 | topgun21 | !bc43 |
| 18:19.57 | ranix | gnusosa: I'm not an inline pipe translator for google, you cannot invoke me to parse its output for you |
| 18:20.28 | ranix | gnusosa: did you have a specific problem you need help with |
| 18:20.35 | ChrisW | ranix: sheesh, why not? you promise so much and deliver so little ;-) |
| 18:20.43 | cahoot | topgun21: bcm 4312 should be supported by b43 |
| 18:20.56 | cahoot | topgun21: you also need firmware |
| 18:21.47 | gnusosa | ranix: basically a webpage for the install in a iMac 7.1 |
| 18:21.52 | FabParma | I have a computer repair and shop. I would like to offer to citizen of my small city a free internet use. I already installed the computer, but now I need to shapping the bandwidth using ip address an mac address. In more I need to deny the access to the servers in my lan. Any idea? |
| 18:22.02 | SQlvpapir | hah, lzma compression in the kernel! :D |
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| 18:22.23 | SQlvpapir | carrot: grub2? |
| 18:22.33 | gnusosa | ranix: found it. thanks anyway. |
| 18:22.46 | carrot | SQlvpapir: grub-legacy |
| 18:22.49 | SQlvpapir | chrisw try hdparm -i |
| 18:23.37 | enthdegree | Can I use the contents of a text file as input for ls? |
| 18:23.55 | ChrisW | SQlvpapir: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/122509/ |
| 18:23.57 | SQlvpapir | enthdegree: sure, why not? |
| 18:23.59 | rudi_s | FabParma: Configure your router to prevent connections to your LAN from the computer. iptables is very good for this. |
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| 18:24.32 | enthdegree | Let me man this first. |
| 18:24.42 | FabParma | I remember one time I had shapped the bandwidt directly on client nic, but I have not idea how to permit to see only the gateway address |
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| 18:25.16 | isotk | ola |
| 18:25.30 | SQlvpapir | chrisw sda1 is not working at full speeds. it seems its not detected properly, so if you want full speed you will have to set it up manually according to specs. |
| 18:25.33 | ph|ber | guys.. this is 2 days in a row that my / fs went read-only .. any ideas?? about the same time of day.. /dev/mapper/eowyn-root on / type ext3 (rw,errors=continue) |
| 18:25.41 | dacs | svn co http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/tags/1.4.5 asterisk-1.4.5 |
| 18:25.43 | SQlvpapir | !tell isotk about spanish |
| 18:25.45 | dacs | errr |
| 18:26.11 | ChrisW | SQlvpapir: hurm, how would I find out about the specs and how would I set it up manually? |
| 18:26.12 | isotk | ola |
| 18:26.33 | SQlvpapir | chrisw check out hdparm man page |
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| 18:26.56 | dacs | 'wget should work for the above url , but i am getting Resolving co... failed: Name or service not known. |
| 18:26.59 | dacs | wget: unable to resolve host address `co' |
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| 18:27.40 | enthdegree | w00t! I finally used xargs successfully. |
| 18:27.42 | enthdegree | :P |
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| 18:27.52 | ph|ber | my box has: |
| 18:27.55 | ph|ber | 19:00.0 RAID bus controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic SAS1078 PCI-X Fusion-MPT SAS (rev 04) |
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| 18:28.06 | ph|ber | anyone had problems with drives goign offline with this controller? |
| 18:28.09 | isotk | brazil |
| 18:28.15 | carrot | dacs, svn co sounds like you're supposed to be using subversion aka "svn" instead of wget to get that code |
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| 18:28.47 | dacs | carrot: so i have to apt-get install svn no? |
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| 18:29.01 | carrot | dacs: that would seem the most appropriate, yes |
| 18:29.20 | hjb | any advice on choosing a console jabber client? |
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| 18:29.53 | carrot | i've always been partial to bitlbee+irssi, but i forget if bitlbee's jabber support w as any good |
| 18:30.05 | carrot | when i checked ~2 years ago it was buggy for jabber |
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| 18:31.41 | hjb | carrot: someone at #weechat suggested bitlbee to me, too |
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| 18:32.00 | hjb | carrot: but i'm sure if it's worth the hassle to set it up |
| 18:32.11 | hjb | isn't there any multi-protocol chat client for cli? |
| 18:32.14 | rudi_s | hjb: Works fine for me, but I haven't done any intensive testing with Jabber yet. |
| 18:32.19 | carrot | you can always connect to im.bitlbee.org with $yourfavoriteircclient |
| 18:32.22 | rudi_s | Finch would work. |
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| 18:32.36 | hjb | carrot: oh, interesting |
| 18:32.47 | carrot | hjb: and bitlbee is in fact multi-protocol, it is based on pidgin/libpurple |
| 18:32.51 | rudi_s | Which you shouldn't if you care about your conversations (as the server can read/change them if the likes). |
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| 18:33.18 | hjb | rudi_s: i see, that's why i'm running my own jabber server |
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| 18:33.23 | Sargun | dpkg, sources.list |
| 18:33.23 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 18:33.29 | hjb | but iguess for testing it it's ok |
| 18:33.41 | rudi_s | hjb: Sure. |
| 18:34.12 | rudi_s | Setting up bitlbee isn't difficult, just install it with aptitude and read read/modify /etc/bitlbee/bitlbee.conf and restart it and everthing works. |
| 18:34.15 | rudi_s | The help is very good. |
| 18:34.16 | kotau | Schuenemann, have you looked at the intel graphics drivers for linux page? http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ |
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| 18:34.49 | carrot | rudi_s: you're talking about a MITM attack? |
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| 18:35.13 | hjb | rudi_s: does that run over bitlbee.org then or is it a local service i connect to? |
| 18:35.16 | rudi_s | carrot: Mostly sniffing, MITM would be possible too. |
| 18:35.25 | rudi_s | hjb: It's locally. |
| 18:35.42 | rudi_s | You are then running your own bitlbee server which connects to jabber like any other jabber client would do. |
| 18:35.58 | carrot | rudi_s: since most im traffic is not encrypted anyway, sniffing and mitm would be possible at other points too |
| 18:36.14 | hjb | rudi_s: and i can connect to it using my $ircclient and talk to everything else :) |
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| 18:36.16 | fxiny | my bitlbee buzzs in a vserver |
| 18:36.18 | FabParma | I have a computer repair and small-shop. I would like to offer to citizens of my small city a free internet use, especially for students, not rich people and Linux interested. I have already installed the computer and the OS (Debian), but now I need to shapping the bandwidth working into the Linux client. I remember that it is possible because I done it years a go, but now I canâremember how... |
| 18:36.21 | FabParma | ...to do. In more I need to permit to see the gateway Ip address only. Do you think it is possible? |
| 18:36.21 | hjb | rudi_s: sounds like it's worth a test run |
| 18:36.26 | rudi_s | carrot: Of course, but not for a "normal" admin. But if you use his server he can read it easily. |
| 18:36.35 | hjb | fxiny: mine would be, too :) |
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| 18:36.51 | rudi_s | hjb: Yes, that's the way it works. |
| 18:36.55 | fxiny | hjb: ;) |
| 18:37.04 | rudi_s | hjb: I'm very happy with it. |
| 18:37.19 | FabParma | please give me a help |
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| 18:37.47 | eshat | Hi all, why does firefox show a gnome filemanger, when uploading files, although I am on KDE 4.2.4 ??? |
| 18:37.58 | hjb | rudi_s fxiny ok, thanks for advice, i'll go and test drive it |
| 18:37.58 | carrot | rudi_s: fair enough but all my im communications are boring idle chatter |
| 18:38.02 | hjb | thanks :) |
| 18:38.12 | rudi_s | hjb: np |
| 18:38.18 | fxiny | rudi_s: so ? tryed xmonad ? :) |
| 18:38.43 | ranix | eshat: because firefox is written by a pigpile of feces-throwing monkeys |
| 18:38.45 | rudi_s | fxiny: Yes, using it right now. I'm very happy with it. Thanks again for the advice ;-) |
| 18:38.48 | carrot | nobody wants to help me with my grub-legacy problem eh? |
| 18:39.11 | fxiny | rudi_s: very addictive , yes ? :) |
| 18:39.21 | ranix | eshat: you could fix it but imho it's not worth thinking about, just put up with it or use konqueror or another alternative |
| 18:39.31 | rudi_s | carrot: most im communication aren't that important, just wanted to mention it. And as the admin of the bitlbee server can get the password there would be some other attacks possible as well. |
| 18:39.35 | hjb | rudi_s: so tha advice chain goes like this: fxiny -> rudi_s -> hjb. sounds like a good chace to be happy eventually :) |
| 18:39.39 | rudi_s | fxiny: Oh yes, it is. ;-) |
| 18:39.44 | carrot | rudi_s: fair enough |
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| 18:40.19 | rudi_s | ;-) |
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| 18:40.36 | ranix | actually now that I'm thinking about it, maybe you can't fix it |
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| 18:41.44 | carrot | firefox uses gnome things because it uses the gnome tk on linux |
| 18:41.58 | carrot | gnome and firefox are good friends, firefox's menu items are even different in order to match the gnome hig |
| 18:42.05 | carrot | so i doubt you'll ever get the kde filemanager in firefox |
| 18:42.37 | carrot | anyone care to help me figure out my grub problem? i'm having a problem getting grub to work-- for some reason it insists on reading from an old config file that -- i have no idea where it is, and locate/find can't find it -- has the wrong information for the kernel. It boots properly when I give it the right information but it always goes back to the wrong s |
| 18:42.54 | carrot | the wrong settings on reboot |
| 18:43.03 | hark | you can change it to the firefox one if you don't like the gnome one |
| 18:43.22 | carrot | it worked _before_, but now that my boss has muddled about in it it does nto any longer |
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| 18:43.55 | Schuenemann | kotau, what should I look for? a driver? |
| 18:44.11 | Schuenemann | kotau, isn't there a way to find the best options for xorg.conf? |
| 18:44.42 | FabParma | I have a computer repair and small-shop. I would like to offer to citizens of my small city a free internet use, especially for students, not rich people and Linux interested. I have already installed the computer and Linux but now I need to shapping the bandwidth into the Linux client.. In more I need to permit to see the gateway Ip address only. Do you think it is possible? |
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| 18:46.43 | rudi_s | FabParma: Use iptables on the "public" computer to only allow connections to the router/out and not to your LAN. If the users have hardware access to the computer they might be able to circumvent this (LiveCD), etc. so you should best do this on the router if you can. |
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| 18:49.10 | hjb | W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
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| 18:49.36 | FabParma | rudi_s: Hi Rudi, problem is that in my coutry I must keep the logs for 5 years. imagine, i do it freely and in more i have to do the police man... |
| 18:49.36 | hjb | how can i fix that? happened on an etch server that hasn't been uüpdated for a while |
| 18:49.49 | adb | !key |
| 18:49.50 | dpkg | key is, like, Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
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| 18:50.14 | rudi_s | FabParma: You can also log with iptables so this isn't a problem. But if you do you should tell your users. |
| 18:50.21 | hjb | adb: thnaks |
| 18:50.22 | rudi_s | Have a look at a iptables tutorial. |
| 18:50.40 | rudi_s | FabParma: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html |
| 18:50.51 | rudi_s | It's long but tells you everything you should need to know. |
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| 18:51.42 | kotau | oh my god I should have left my poor hard drive alone. I hdparmed it and now it SCREAMS bloody murder when I boot. |
| 18:51.49 | FabParma | rudi_s: yes, i have to save a copy of identity card and tell to them that the connections logs will bi keepen |
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| 18:54.33 | giupy | wich params to "mount" to have rw support on a fat32 fs ? i have used mount -rw but still can't write |
| 18:55.21 | patrikf | giupy: you should probably learn how to use mount. |
| 18:55.56 | dkr | giupy: mount -o rw rw are not flags, they are arguments to the -o flag |
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| 18:56.10 | giupy | well i try thanks |
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| 18:56.32 | Velmont | ... wow. Didn't know that happened on freenode. |
| 18:56.37 | careta | hey people i want to upgrade to testing, my sources.list is here http://paste.debian.net/38800/ can anyone tell me what I need to replace? |
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| 18:57.15 | dkr | Velmont: the political channels attract non-freenode people from other networks(especially those kicked out of other networks, heh) |
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| 18:58.16 | dkr | !etch->squeeze |
| 18:58.27 | giupy | dkr, mc says me cannot chown target directory blah blah operation not permitted |
| 18:58.34 | giupy | i have mounted wiith -o rw |
| 18:58.51 | dkr | giupy: mounting it as root? |
| 18:59.05 | giupy | dkr, yes and tried to copy as root |
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| 18:59.27 | dkr | !tell careta about lenny->squeeze |
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| 19:00.02 | gusto | shit |
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| 19:00.37 | gusto | shame on such ppl who are flooding and so disturbing ordinary channels |
| 19:00.57 | ChrisW | SQlvpapir: ping? which params from that paste show that sda1 is nto operating at full speed? |
| 19:01.00 | gusto | these are no other than spammers |
| 19:01.11 | careta | dkr, I have some non-official repos such as debian-multimedia, backports and virtualbox - is it OK to leave lenny in those? |
| 19:01.30 | gusto | why not? |
| 19:01.41 | ranix | careta: squeeze those as well |
| 19:01.48 | ranix | careta: as long as they have squeeze repos |
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| 19:01.55 | gusto | yes |
| 19:01.55 | dkr | careta: you should change them all. although i'd comment out backports |
| 19:02.01 | r4pe4life | JOIN ##POLITICS WE NEED MORE USERS JOIN ##POLITICS WE NEED MORE USERS |
| 19:02.04 | careta | ok thanks a lot |
| 19:02.07 | gusto | shit |
| 19:02.07 | r4pe4life | JOIN ##POLITICS WE NEED MORE USERS JOIN ##POLITICS WE NEED MORE USERS |
| 19:02.13 | gusto | he is again here |
| 19:02.16 | ranix | shh |
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| 19:02.20 | ranix | you're encouraging him |
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| 19:02.30 | action09 | Velmont http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and Moving Forward (eg., Stable --> Testing): http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStability |
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| 19:02.40 | Ace2017_- | Hi all |
| 19:02.42 | gusto | I am not encouraging him |
| 19:02.45 | shivraj | hi I want to make my fan constantly on in a laptop, what adjustment do I have to make in /proc/acpi/ibm/fan ? |
| 19:02.57 | ChrisW | why'd you want to do that? |
| 19:03.03 | Ace2017_- | when downloading the DVDs do i need to download all 5 DVDs and then install the debian-update-5.0.1 dvd? |
| 19:03.07 | shivraj | it heats up too much, it goes up to like 79 C, I want to run the fan alll the time |
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| 19:03.30 | Velmont | action09: Wtf? |
| 19:03.41 | gusto | 79C is normal on core dou for example |
| 19:03.43 | subsume | in SSH how can I scroll up to see a flood of text that passed? |
| 19:03.44 | gusto | core duo |
| 19:03.55 | Ace2017_- | 79 is only normal for a GPU |
| 19:03.58 | ranix | 79c is most certainly not normal on a core 2 |
| 19:04.00 | kotau | ace unless you want massive amounts of (possible un-useful to you packages) I'd just go with the 1st dvd and apt-get what you need afterwards. |
| 19:04.02 | adama_ | subsume: Shift-PgUp |
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| 19:04.20 | ranix | and it's approaching critical tolerance on a gpu (within 15%) |
| 19:04.22 | subsume | adama_: that just scrolls up my terminal, not the actual text that ran =) |
| 19:04.23 | action09 | careta http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and Moving Forward (eg., Stable --> Testing): http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStability |
| 19:04.31 | action09 | Velmont sorry it was for careta :) |
| 19:04.51 | kotau | fuck ##politics :P |
| 19:05.00 | adama_ | subsume: what was it running in then? |
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| 19:05.39 | subsume | adama_: some java service that spat out like 200 lines of exception... |
| 19:05.49 | subsume | shift+page up just shows me logging in... |
| 19:06.07 | ChrisW | the #freenode guys are aware of the spamming and are stopping it as fast as they can |
| 19:06.14 | adama_ | not sure... should make it log to a file |
| 19:06.42 | subsume | adama_: hmm... ok. how can I send all output of the service to a log file? |
| 19:06.49 | subsume | just > wtvr.log ? |
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| 19:07.11 | ChrisW | hmm, I guess I missed SQlvpapir... can anyone tell me what on this paste indicates that hda1 is not running as fast as it could: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/122509/ |
| 19:07.17 | adama_ | exactly subsume, and also put 2>&1 to redirect stderr there too |
| 19:07.39 | adama_ | subsume: thing_that_runs.sh > log.log 2>&1 |
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| 19:09.01 | patrikf | ##politics is actually quite... idle :) |
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| 19:09.20 | topgun21 | Is there apackage for LXDE for Debian? |
| 19:09.28 | dkr | adama_: &> log works, too :) |
| 19:09.41 | dkr | (for both stdout and stderr) |
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| 19:09.47 | nkuttler | topgun21: apt-cache search lxde |
| 19:10.22 | SQlvpapir | topgun21: yeah.. check out lxde's wiki |
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| 19:12.34 | ChrisW | SQlvpapir: ooh, you're back :-) so what in that paste shows that hda is not running as fast as it could? |
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| 19:14.34 | ChrisW | pokes SQlvpapir with a stick... you alive? |
| 19:15.42 | SQlvpapir | chrisw my pal left (he was the one helping you) |
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| 19:16.24 | ChrisW | oh |
| 19:16.26 | ChrisW | pants :-( |
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| 19:18.14 | BenBE2 | Why comes the bind9 without DLZ support for MySQL? |
| 19:18.17 | ranix | ChrisW: the buffer size of the first drive is significantly less than the second drive |
| 19:18.36 | ranix | ChrisW: that's the only difference between the two except for APM, which is disabled on the second drive anyway but is not supported on the first |
| 19:18.56 | ranix | ChrisW: methinks he was talking out of his ass unless he was indicating the lack of cache on the first drive |
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| 19:21.16 | kotau | hmm, my terminal (not in X) looks really funny on my notebook. It seems that most punctuation is a square block |
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| 19:21.48 | dalias | does debian's linphone package disable some of the audio codecs? :( |
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| 19:25.00 | nkuttler | dalias: maybe they are not included because they are non free? just guessing |
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| 19:26.21 | lethias | I'm thinking there is a program or system but the name escapes me, isn't there a program or something to take your documents and put them on a webpage to be read? |
| 19:26.40 | nkuttler | lethias: documents? |
| 19:26.44 | ChrisW | ranix: indeed, and I'd expect the cache size to be different given that the first disk is a quarter the size of the second disk |
| 19:26.46 | lethias | or books |
| 19:26.54 | nkuttler | lethias: a webserver? |
| 19:27.17 | ChrisW | anyway, I've been moving a deep nested directory structure from one disk to the other, it's been taking literally hours... how can I debug why that might be? |
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| 19:27.46 | lethias | nkuttler: I know I've read bout it, I've got ebooks on my system i want to be able to be accessed and read directly from a local webserver. |
| 19:27.47 | ChrisW | (I mean, both drives are SATA, which is supported to be 150Mb/sec, right? |
| 19:28.52 | gusto | ChrisW: |
| 19:28.56 | gusto | ChrisW: |
| 19:29.08 | ranix | ChrisW: you should be able to simple cp everything from one partition on drive sda to sdb |
| 19:29.11 | ranix | symply^ |
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| 19:29.17 | ranix | jesus f |
| 19:29.29 | ChrisW | ranix: I'm just using mv |
| 19:29.29 | gusto | ChrisW: that depends on your disk and filesystem configuration |
| 19:29.45 | ChrisW | fs on both is ext3 |
| 19:29.50 | ranix | ChrisW: anyway real-world speeds aren't going to be anywhere near as fast as the theoretical controller maximum |
| 19:29.51 | gusto | ChrisW: |
| 19:29.55 | ChrisW | any more info I can provide that would help, just ask :-) |
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| 19:29.58 | Brenden | hi |
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| 19:30.02 | ranix | ChrisW: also don't use mv. mv is destructive |
| 19:30.06 | gusto | ChrisW: thats not important if its ext3 or not |
| 19:30.07 | Brenden | hello |
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| 19:30.15 | ChrisW | ranix: er yeah, I want it to be ;-) |
| 19:30.20 | gog | The time is now 14:31:36 |
| 19:30.25 | ChrisW | gusto: then what information are you after? |
| 19:30.25 | gog | The time is now 14:31:41 |
| 19:30.30 | ranix | ChrisW: then cp and delete the originals after, for large data |
| 19:30.31 | gog | The time is now 14:31:46 |
| 19:30.33 | gusto | ChrisW: like I just said, it depends on your disk and fs config. |
| 19:30.35 | gog | The time is now 14:31:51 |
| 19:30.37 | ranix | gog: shut the F up |
| 19:30.41 | gog | The time is now 14:31:56 |
| 19:30.41 | Brenden | YEAH |
| 19:30.43 | Brenden | F-ER |
| 19:30.45 | gog | The time is now 14:32:01 |
| 19:30.50 | gog | The time is now 14:32:06 |
| 19:30.55 | gog | The time is now 14:32:11 |
| 19:30.55 | adb | !ops gog Flood |
| 19:30.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: gog Flood |
| 19:30.57 | dalias | nkuttler, the whole program is free afaik, but there may be patent paranoia issues :( |
| 19:31.01 | gog | The time is now 14:32:16 |
| 19:31.05 | gog | The time is now 14:32:21 |
| 19:31.06 | tomaw | looks at gog |
| 19:31.10 | gog | The time is now 14:32:26 |
| 19:31.12 | dalias | however all of the video codecs, even the patent-encumbered ones are included |
| 19:31.15 | gog | The time is now 14:32:31 |
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| 19:31.17 | adb | !ops gog spam |
| 19:31.17 | dalias | its audio codecs that seem to be missing |
| 19:31.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: gog spam |
| 19:31.37 | Brenden | irc professionals |
| 19:31.44 | gusto | !ops gog spam |
| 19:31.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: gusto complains about: gog spam |
| 19:31.50 | Brenden | !ops brenden spam |
| 19:31.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: brenden complains about: brenden spam |
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| 19:31.55 | tomaw | enough |
| 19:32.21 | Brenden | of what? |
| 19:32.22 | gusto | ChrisW: the sizes of blocks for example |
| 19:32.26 | ChrisW | seems to be a lot of spamming tonight, I think the guys on #freenode are responding to this, so maybe let them know... |
| 19:32.33 | Trewas | ChrisW: anything over 50MB/s is not probable when actually moving files between drives, and if the files are small then probably much much less |
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| 19:33.10 | ChrisW | Trewas: is there any way I can see what the read/write rates are currently for a drive? |
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| 19:33.58 | gusto | ChrisW: if you have large blocks, the fs is faster, but wastes space with small files, when you have videos, you can have large blocks and its ok |
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| 19:34.17 | gusto | ChrisW: |
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| 19:34.31 | sernin | ChrisW: iostat |
| 19:34.33 | ranix | gusto: why do you keep quoting his name with no text |
| 19:34.40 | gusto | ChrisW: on netbsd I use systat, but I am also courious what app does it under linux |
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| 19:34.58 | ChrisW | well, it's about 50GB that I'm moving... should I really expect that to take about 6 hours between two (relatively new) SATA drives attached to the two sata ports on a motherboard? |
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| 19:35.05 | gusto | sernin: iostat is not really an equivalent to systat vmstat 1 |
| 19:35.35 | sernin | he literally asked what the read/write rates are. that's what iostat shows you. blk_read/s and blk_wrtn/s |
| 19:35.43 | ranix | ChrisW: It took a good 3 to 4 hours for me to copy an 80gb drive on Monday. |
| 19:35.57 | ranix | ChrisW: one drive had bad sectors, though - I had to reread once then ignore the bad ones |
| 19:36.01 | gusto | tha |
| 19:36.13 | ChrisW | what package is iostat in? |
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| 19:36.21 | gusto | shame on you all, I have to put myself in light because of this |
| 19:36.23 | ranix | ChrisW: apt-cache search iostat |
| 19:36.50 | sernin | ChrisW: apt-get install sysstat |
| 19:36.53 | Trewas | ChrisW: something as simple as "df; sleep 10; df" and seeing how much the other drive has filled during that time could work |
| 19:36.58 | ChrisW | sernin: doing :-) |
| 19:37.09 | gusto | I have an sata hitachi deskstar 1 tb and running netbsd on it with ufs2 and I am getting really about 100MB/s |
| 19:37.20 | ranix | Trewas: that's a pretty terrible idea |
| 19:37.27 | Trewas | ranix: why? |
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| 19:37.37 | gusto | while? |
| 19:37.39 | Trewas | assuming the other drive is empty |
| 19:37.47 | ranix | Trewas: bunch of reasons |
| 19:37.56 | gusto | while, do ... and so on |
| 19:38.05 | ranix | not gonna hurt anything but it won't give you much meaningful data either |
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| 19:38.45 | gusto | but for looking up iostat is clearly better as df |
| 19:38.49 | ChrisW | okay, iostat says: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/122533/ ...what does that mean? |
| 19:38.54 | gusto | looking up rates |
| 19:39.10 | sernin | ChrisW: iostat -m might produce more intuitive output |
| 19:39.21 | gusto | cool |
| 19:39.31 | Trewas | ranix: checking it once may not tell much, but a few times or with longer sleep will be quite accurate |
| 19:39.32 | ranix | ChrisW: that's a description of how your drives are performing right now, and since iostat was last called |
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| 19:39.40 | ChrisW | sernin: hmm, that looks pretty piss poor then :-/ |
| 19:39.51 | sernin | that's only a snapshot |
| 19:40.00 | sernin | do your copy and run something like iostat -m 1 and watch it |
| 19:40.00 | gusto | iostat shows you blocks read and written by default, to someone who doesnt even know how big they are on his system, its probably not IMPORTANT |
| 19:40.02 | ChrisW | watch -n 1? ;-) |
| 19:40.18 | ChrisW | I'm *doing* the copy right now |
| 19:40.20 | sernin | ChrisW: iostat has that built-in |
| 19:40.20 | gusto | cool |
| 19:40.25 | sernin | ChrisW: no need for watch |
| 19:40.28 | ChrisW | as I said, it's been running for 6 hours ;-) |
| 19:40.30 | gusto | I am going to try it out |
| 19:40.55 | ranix | *important*: iostat gives statistics of the period between when iostat was last called and the present |
| 19:41.06 | ranix | watch -n 1 iostat is *stupid* |
| 19:41.15 | ChrisW | ranix: so, what should I use then? |
| 19:41.23 | ranix | ChrisW: call iostat, then wait a half hour |
| 19:41.26 | ranix | ChrisW: then call it again |
| 19:41.35 | ranix | and inspect the second's output |
| 19:41.39 | ranix | man iostat for more information |
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| 19:42.43 | gusto | OK |
| 19:42.51 | ChrisW | why would half an hour versus 1 sec make a difference when the copy is happening right now? |
| 19:42.53 | creature_ | yyhhhhhhjjghjyghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhjgyjjhgjyghhhhhhggggggggggjjjgghhhhghjgyyyyyjjjhjgggjjjjjjjjjggj=1337 |
| 19:42.59 | gusto | it doesnt look as good as systat under netbsd, but it works |
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| 19:43.25 | ranix | creature_: vacuuming your keyboard? |
| 19:43.43 | creature_ | naw had the broadcast on while playing a game |
| 19:44.21 | gusto | cool |
| 19:44.25 | ranix | yghj instead of wasd is very strange |
| 19:44.34 | ChrisW | ranix: did you see my question? |
| 19:44.41 | creature_ | im playing two games at once |
| 19:44.51 | gusto | hey |
| 19:45.05 | gusto | I have the ultimate solution for you iostat problem (fun) |
| 19:45.05 | ranix | ChrisW: it gives you a batter average of statistics for your k/s results |
| 19:45.29 | ChrisW | ranix: well, given the numbers are staying pretty contant(ly low :-( ) I don't think there's a problem |
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| 19:45.31 | gusto | iostat -m $[0.5*60^2] |
| 19:46.09 | ChrisW | read is stuck at about 638kb/s, write is about 3533kb/sec |
| 19:46.21 | ChrisW | which is weird, 'cos given that, the write should run out of data to write |
| 19:46.29 | gusto | hahahahahhahaha |
| 19:46.32 | gusto | 3 MB/s |
| 19:46.39 | gusto | :-P |
| 19:46.47 | ChrisW | see: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/122535/ |
| 19:47.13 | sernin | not really. it refers to how much can be written in a given timespan. you might be able to write to any area on disk sequentially, but random seek/reads will take more time in comparison |
| 19:47.25 | sernin | faster sequentially* |
| 19:47.45 | gusto | ChrisW: did you play around with hdparm? |
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| 19:48.09 | ChrisW | gusto: no |
| 19:48.21 | ChrisW | I don't know what I'm supposed to play around with :-S |
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| 19:49.22 | ChrisW | I wonder if the fact that the dirs being moved contain 26GB of normal-sized files rather the oen big one might have something to do with it? |
| 19:49.24 | gusto | because that was what once happend to me, I have thaught when I do udma2 with the disk it will be faster, but then I realized, that it was even slower, because the disk does udma5 per default, so I even made him slower than he was |
| 19:49.37 | carrot | anybody have opinions on the best way to bind my lenny system to an active directory? |
| 19:49.54 | gusto | yes, with a cable |
| 19:49.59 | gusto | :-D |
| 19:50.08 | carrot | well, i meant more specifically on the software side |
| 19:50.13 | gusto | yes |
| 19:50.18 | carrot | but thanks for reminding that i need to be physically connected to the network |
| 19:50.18 | ChrisW | carrot: sounds like a samba thing |
| 19:50.28 | gusto | no |
| 19:50.30 | DeSian | i'm using ncftp and can edit files on server with vim, but to save the file on server must :wqa quit the vim to save it, any another way to save on the server with :w for example? |
| 19:50.37 | gusto | it sounds like openldap thing |
| 19:51.01 | sernin | DeSian: w! ? |
| 19:51.06 | gusto | DeSian: did you try ZZ? |
| 19:51.09 | \amethyst | DeSian: using the ncftp edit command? |
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| 19:51.29 | \amethyst | DeSian: if so then, no, ncftp only puts the file when the editor has exited |
| 19:52.08 | DeSian | sernin, :w to save changes without quit the vim |
| 19:52.12 | carrot | well i'd used likewise-open before to some success but i'm running a powerpc system and there appears to be no build for likewise-open on the ppc |
| 19:52.19 | DeSian | \amethyst, aha no way then |
| 19:52.37 | gusto | carrot: how did you get an powerpc system? |
| 19:52.51 | DeSian | gusto, ZZ is save and quit the vim i will no quit |
| 19:52.53 | \amethyst | DeSian: if you have the full version of vim and not vim-tiny, it has FTP support using the netrw plugin |
| 19:52.57 | carrot | gusto: what do you mean, how did i get one? |
| 19:53.07 | \amethyst | DeSian: :e ftp://host.example.com/file.txt |
| 19:53.10 | gusto | carrot: yes |
| 19:53.17 | gusto | DeSian: |
| 19:53.20 | DeSian | \amethyst, yes :h netrw found it |
| 19:53.37 | DeSian | thnx |
| 19:53.43 | gusto | DeSian: OK, I would not edit a file on ftp, rather get it and then put it, it seems to me much more logical |
| 19:53.44 | carrot | uhh, it's a spare powermac g5 we had laying around, and we don't have a valid leopard server license for it |
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| 19:54.08 | gusto | carrot: OK |
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| 19:54.19 | ranix | ChrisW: over a short read/write, I get 7.8mb/s read speed on a dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null where sda is the drive I am using for the operating system. I get 15.5 MB/s writing from /dev/sdb to /home/ranix/trash.bin on sda. I get 73.1MB/s writing from /dev/sdb to /dev/null, and 44.0MB/s writing from /dev/zero to /dev/sdb |
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| 19:55.18 | gusto | yes |
| 19:55.38 | ranix | YMMV |
| 19:55.46 | gusto | thats why when I was child and wanted to copy form one disk to another, I used a live distro like knoppix |
| 19:56.29 | gusto | and I got 70 MB/s on these old ide100/133 drives 120 gb max |
| 19:56.31 | ranix | of course my fileserver gets 275MB/s read and 150MB/s write with its raid 5 |
| 19:56.43 | ranix | but that is neither here nor there |
| 19:56.57 | gusto | why do you need it? |
| 19:57.02 | ranix | office use |
| 19:57.07 | gusto | gigabit can only do 125 mb/s |
| 19:57.13 | carrot | gusto: well i see a bunch of tutorials for getting active directory working that all appear to have varying levels of effectiveness so i was hoping to be steered in the right direction |
| 19:57.17 | ranix | it's just overengineered |
| 19:57.17 | gusto | so, its useless to have more |
| 19:57.37 | ranix | not useless, we do backup and file management tasks with it also |
| 19:57.45 | ranix | virus scans are blazing fast |
| 19:57.58 | gusto | virus scans, on a linux machine? |
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| 19:58.07 | ranix | yes. |
| 19:58.29 | ranix | Would you like to be making incremental backups of klez? |
| 19:58.29 | gusto | OK, and you are healthy although? |
| 19:58.34 | ranix | cause I'm sure my coworkers can arrange that |
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| 19:58.38 | carrot | if you're serving up files to windows machines it makes sense ;p |
| 19:59.06 | fujimitsu | touche |
| 19:59.29 | gusto | yes, time to migrate the windows machines |
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| 20:00.11 | gusto | however carrot, I dont have experiences with active directory, I only know, that it is openLDAP, so that may be the start! |
| 20:00.25 | gusto | carrot: |
| 20:00.32 | ChrisW | ranix: well yes, but none of this really helps me figure out why this copy is taking so damned long |
| 20:00.37 | ChrisW | any ideas greatfully received |
| 20:00.45 | ChrisW | any info you need to help, just lemme know and I'll dig and paste... |
| 20:00.46 | gusto | carrot: you need to learn, how to configure openldap under your distro |
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| 20:02.08 | gusto | ChrisW: yes, sometimes, things take their time |
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| 20:02.16 | gusto | ChrisW: there is nothing to do about it |
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| 20:03.10 | gusto | ChrisW: my guess is, that either your controller is broken, or you have a low udma setting set by the kernel for example, because he realized that you controller is broken |
| 20:03.12 | carrot | gusto: under "my distro"? i thought we're all running debian here |
| 20:03.25 | gusto | carrot: hopefully |
| 20:03.29 | carrot | but i'll look at openldap, seems a good enough start |
| 20:03.45 | gusto | yes, that certainly is |
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| 20:04.41 | ChrisW | gusto: how can I check what the udma setting is? |
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| 20:05.18 | anibal | hello, I'm using python2.6 now, but every package I install it seems configured only for python2.5 and the import fails with 2.6 |
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| 20:05.45 | xshadowfire | ranix: I use linux |
| 20:05.46 | xshadowfire | I don't get viruses |
| 20:05.51 | xshadowfire | :trollface: |
| 20:06.08 | abrotman | FLW |
| 20:06.21 | gusto | ChrisW: I dont know |
| 20:06.28 | sernin | ChrisW: hdparm -I /dev/sda etc |
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| 20:06.43 | gusto | ChrisW: but I would try to force some in bios |
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| 20:07.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | sneezes heavily on xshadowfire |
| 20:07.44 | ChrisW | it's in udma6 according to hdparm |
| 20:07.47 | ChrisW | which is pretty high ;-) |
| 20:08.04 | xshadowfire | what |
| 20:08.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | no worries, you won't get ill, you use linux |
| 20:08.37 | xshadowfire | lol |
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| 20:18.34 | khappi | hi |
| 20:18.40 | ranix | sup |
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| 20:19.59 | khappi | whts being disscussed here ?? |
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| 20:20.12 | dkr | !#debian |
| 20:20.12 | dpkg | well, #debian is home sweet home! :) |
| 20:20.21 | dkr | !debian |
| 20:20.21 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 20:20.44 | khappi | i know... |
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| 20:21.25 | khappi | whts latest in debian these days ?/ |
| 20:21.28 | dkr | if you want to ask questions you know the answer to, perhaps #philosophy might be a better channel. :) |
| 20:21.40 | khappi | i use SUE |
| 20:21.45 | khappi | its nothing like that |
| 20:22.03 | dkr | if you just want to socialize, there is #debian-offtopic :) |
| 20:22.03 | kotau | what's your lawyer's cut on that? |
| 20:22.09 | khappi | just want to know why is it better that other versions |
| 20:24.15 | themill | dpkg: tell khappi about why debian |
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| 20:33.08 | IRC-Monitor-796 | hey there |
| 20:33.12 | IRC-Monitor-796 | i need help |
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| 20:33.32 | IRC-Monitor-796 | somebody there? |
| 20:33.34 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 20:33.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:33.47 | IRC-Monitor-796 | okay |
| 20:33.52 | IRC-Monitor-796 | short: |
| 20:33.56 | IRC-Monitor-796 | i need klicks on http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=7185465 |
| 20:34.06 | jelly-home | IRC-Monitor-796: don't do that. |
| 20:34.08 | IRC-Monitor-796 | i want to test it |
| 20:34.14 | IRC-Monitor-796 | http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=7185465 |
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| 20:34.22 | jelly-home | spamming is forbidden here |
| 20:34.49 | IRC-Monitor-796 | i know |
| 20:34.50 | IRC-Monitor-796 | http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=7185465 |
| 20:34.54 | IRC-Monitor-796 | http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=7185465 |
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| 20:35.41 | korhojoa | guys. there should be a kernel module or something that flashes a led when you write to /dev/null |
| 20:35.56 | korhojoa | apparently, this was in a april fools article in the german c't magazine in 95. |
| 20:36.02 | korhojoa | this needs to be done. |
| 20:36.25 | jelly-home | korhojoa: we await your patches. |
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| 20:37.05 | patrikf | and you should get environment-light-dependent bits back when reading it. oh, darn, that would break a lot of scripts and applications. |
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| 20:38.09 | amphi | korhojoa: you could easily do it with an inotifywait loop |
| 20:38.10 | korhojoa | jelly-home: i don't do kernel patches :( |
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| 20:38.27 | jelly-home | korhojoa: so start already |
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| 20:38.27 | korhojoa | patrikf: it would not be possible to read from it |
| 20:38.33 | korhojoa | that would be /dev/light or something |
| 20:38.51 | patrikf | or /dev/zeroorone :) |
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| 20:39.19 | korhojoa | amphi: inotifywait ? |
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| 20:43.40 | amphi | korhojoa: while true; do inotifywait -q -e modify /dev/null; echo 1 > /sys/class/leds/tpacpi::thinklight/brightness; echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/tpacpi::thinklight/brightness; done |
| 20:44.05 | amphi | korhojoa: that blinks the 'thinklight' whenever /dev/null is written |
| 20:44.05 | korhojoa | fuck me that's awesome |
| 20:44.24 | korhojoa | i don't know why you assumed that i have a thinkpad, but that's well done, that's all my family has |
| 20:44.28 | korhojoa | great, time to implement |
| 20:44.31 | amphi | you need to adjust perms on the sysfs file to do that as $USER |
| 20:45.18 | korhojoa | can't you make that a startup script, so it will always run? |
| 20:45.30 | amphi | you might want a small sleep between the echo-s too, otherwise the blink will be brief |
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| 20:46.42 | korhojoa | amphi: the ibm acpi things have some built in delay, i tried blinking them fast earlier to do a pwm effect. didn't work. |
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| 20:48.35 | amphi | a startup script version might like to check the current state of the thinklight, and invert it briefly; it'd be annoying if you were using the thinklight, to have /dev/null writes turn it off ;) |
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| 20:50.02 | anibal | any thoughhts on installing packages for python2.6? |
| 20:51.08 | korhojoa | amphi: you could do the same thing as you do with null, so you'd read the thinklight all the time aswell, so if the script didn't change it, that means the user did, and it shall then remain in that state, so the script won't go nuts with it? |
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| 20:51.47 | m45h | Hi people I need some noobish help |
| 20:52.11 | abrotman | so just ask |
| 20:52.27 | korhojoa | m45h: indeed. |
| 20:52.29 | amphi | korhojoa: or just read the value, change it, restore it |
| 20:52.34 | korhojoa | hey, where's greycat ? |
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| 20:52.47 | korhojoa | amphi: ahh... |
| 20:52.59 | m45h | I bought a dedicated server and i chose the option Xen 3.2.1 with Debian 4.0 64 Bit |
| 20:53.05 | korhojoa | dpkg: greycat |
| 20:53.05 | dpkg | korhojoa: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 20:53.15 | korhojoa | apt: greycat |
| 20:53.16 | apt | hmm... greycat is one of the rudest people. You should ask BenC to help you instead. He's very polite and friendly. I'm sure he'll be happy to answer _all_ your questions. |
| 20:53.16 | m45h | my main idea was to learn now to create VPSes |
| 20:53.25 | korhojoa | WHAT |
| 20:53.30 | m45h | I dont know what to do now is there a GUI or anything |
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| 20:53.43 | korhojoa | VPS? |
| 20:53.53 | korhojoa | Virtual Private Services? |
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| 20:54.00 | m45h | server* |
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| 20:54.11 | korhojoa | what kind? |
| 20:54.18 | m45h | any kind |
| 20:54.25 | korhojoa | uhn |
| 20:54.27 | korhojoa | okay |
| 20:54.33 | m45h | does DEbian have a GUI |
| 20:54.34 | korhojoa | so use xen |
| 20:54.53 | amphi | m45h: many |
| 20:54.54 | xshadowfire | yes but no point in a gui on a server |
| 20:54.55 | \amethyst | m45h: a GUI for managing VPSes? |
| 20:55.00 | xshadowfire | :| |
| 20:55.01 | korhojoa | well you can install kde, gnome, fvwm, blackbox, icewm, whatever |
| 20:55.03 | xshadowfire | learn the art of the cli |
| 20:55.09 | korhojoa | indeed |
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| 20:55.15 | korhojoa | CLI is key when remotely administrating |
| 20:55.20 | korhojoa | except if you have awesome internets |
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| 20:55.51 | xshadowfire | more like |
| 20:55.53 | xshadowfire | no matter what |
| 20:55.56 | amphi | 'administering' |
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| 20:56.23 | m45h | yes ametheyst is there any GUi for managin VPSes |
| 20:56.30 | xshadowfire | amphi: no, administrating |
| 20:56.31 | korhojoa | intentional mispelings. |
| 20:56.36 | korhojoa | heh heh |
| 20:56.40 | \amethyst | m45h: for xen there are xenwatch and convirt |
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| 20:56.56 | m45h | How do i install that through Putty |
| 20:56.58 | m45h | anyidea |
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| 20:57.46 | m45h | i dont know any SSH commands thats the problem im a noob |
| 20:58.01 | topgun21 | Where do i install the broadcom-wl drivers /libor /firmware |
| 20:58.08 | korhojoa | yeah. so why did you get a dedicated server first? |
| 20:58.12 | m45h | i wanted to create VPS with different OSes so i can learn how to use them |
| 20:58.23 | topgun21 | Where do i install the broadcom-wl drivers /libor /lib/firmware |
| 20:58.27 | \amethyst | m45h: you need to learn the host operating system first :) |
| 20:58.48 | m45h | Any good reads anywhere |
| 20:58.49 | korhojoa | m45h: i suggest you go get a vmware player image and play with that first |
| 20:58.53 | korhojoa | debian.org ? |
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| 20:59.11 | m45h | since it doesnt have a GUI its really ahrd for me to start somewhere |
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| 20:59.26 | m45h | hard* |
| 20:59.58 | korhojoa | yeah- lots of things are hard |
| 21:00.02 | korhojoa | we don't want to know about all of them |
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| 21:00.25 | korhojoa | anyway. just try a image. it'll be fine. get in touch with your cli-er side. |
| 21:00.41 | \amethyst | m45h: if you search for unix command line tutorial you will find all kinds of info |
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| 21:00.43 | joe-mac | hello #debian. is anyone here familiar with checkinstall? |
| 21:00.56 | korhojoa | been there, failed that |
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| 21:03.06 | dkr | joe-mac: dpkg is |
| 21:03.30 | korhojoa | tell joe-mac about checkinstall |
| 21:03.30 | joe-mac | is dpkg a bot? |
| 21:03.34 | m45h | is there anyway of getting a GUI |
| 21:03.35 | korhojoa | yes. talk to him. |
| 21:03.41 | joe-mac | hello dpkg |
| 21:03.48 | dkr | !tell joe-mac about checkinstall |
| 21:03.49 | korhojoa | m45h: dude, we just told you. |
| 21:03.59 | korhojoa | oh. you needed ! |
| 21:04.07 | korhojoa | i tried though. |
| 21:04.08 | dkr | nod |
| 21:04.10 | korhojoa | i really did. |
| 21:04.17 | abrotman | !enter |
| 21:04.17 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 21:04.20 | korhojoa | apt: spank me |
| 21:04.21 | apt | ACTION bends korhojoa over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on korhojoa's pasty white buttocks. |
| 21:04.34 | korhojoa | i've been a bad person |
| 21:04.53 | jimcooncat | m45h: you need a gui? aptitude install xfce? |
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| 21:05.09 | korhojoa | Hey, how come noone talks to apt anymore? |
| 21:05.43 | jimcooncat | m45h: oh, you're on a server. I wouldn't suggest it then. |
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| 21:06.36 | korhojoa | jimcooncat: he could do that, and then install vnc4server |
| 21:06.41 | korhojoa | that would work. ish. |
| 21:06.58 | korhojoa | jimcooncat: maybe there's a webmin module for managing xen? |
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| 21:07.23 | abrotman | don't use webmin |
| 21:07.28 | jimcooncat | korhojoa: sure, I guess. I wouldn't put X at all on a server though. |
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| 21:08.10 | Brune | so... |
| 21:08.13 | jimcooncat | better to manage from a desktop, and get used to ssh and screen |
| 21:08.33 | Brune | is there like a handbook/website that lists linux firewalls and which ones do what, I need a command line one. |
| 21:09.20 | abrotman | Brune: netfilter.org and lartc.org |
| 21:09.59 | jimcooncat | Brune: iptables for firewall, but get some helper applications, such as ufw or firehol |
| 21:10.28 | jimcooncat | Brune: and what abrotman said. (sorry to stomp on you bro) |
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| 21:10.42 | abrotman | i'm just a bot, i'm used to it |
| 21:10.47 | nan8 | likes ferm for simple setups |
| 21:10.52 | korhojoa | jimcooncat: well. that is true. however, he seems pretty inept with the entire concept of remotely managing anything without a point-and-click interface. |
| 21:11.03 | Brune | isn't there something besides iptables? |
| 21:11.12 | abrotman | Brune: there are frontends to iptables |
| 21:11.13 | Brune | maybe like ipfw/pf |
| 21:11.21 | abrotman | pf is a BSD tihng |
| 21:11.23 | korhojoa | abrotman: do you ever leave this place? |
| 21:11.24 | Brune | i know |
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| 21:11.30 | korhojoa | install BSD |
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| 21:11.33 | korhojoa | run debian anyway |
| 21:11.39 | abrotman | there is debian/kfreebsd |
| 21:11.45 | jimcooncat | korhojoa: there's always midnight commander! |
| 21:11.50 | topgun21 | Where do i install the broadcom-wl drivers /libor or /lib/firmware |
| 21:11.51 | korhojoa | HAHAHAHA |
| 21:12.02 | korhojoa | oh my god. i haven't seen or used that in ages |
| 21:12.08 | abrotman | topgun21: latter |
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| 21:12.20 | Brune | abrotman: is that stable enough for a server? |
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| 21:12.43 | korhojoa | jimcooncat: he could run windows 1.0 in dosbox in wine? |
| 21:12.48 | abrotman | Brune: NFC .. i haven't messed with it .. i figure if i want a BSD kernel, i'll install a BSD |
| 21:13.10 | abrotman | why would you use dosbox in wine? .. just use dosbox |
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| 21:13.21 | korhojoa | wait, there's native dosbox? |
| 21:13.27 | abrotman | judd: versions dosbox |
| 21:13.27 | judd | abrotman: dosbox -- etch: 0.65-1 lenny: 0.72-1.1 sid: 0.72-1.1 squeeze: 0.72-1.1 |
| 21:13.37 | Brune | its just I heard iptables are crap and a pain |
| 21:13.38 | korhojoa | i forgot that totally |
| 21:13.51 | abrotman | Brune: depends on your view i suppose .. but it's what there is |
| 21:13.54 | jimcooncat | I don't remember windows 1.0. I must have still been on msdos 5 at the time |
| 21:14.09 | abrotman | jimcooncat: then you missed it |
| 21:14.18 | korhojoa | iptables aren't that crap, as long as you aren't a tard at working with them. they're just like mathematical science. |
| 21:14.21 | abrotman | (pretty sure anyways) |
| 21:14.31 | sernin | netfilter is far from crap |
| 21:14.52 | SQlvpapir | I just installed the kernel from source (the debian way). I'm trying to install some modules, but /lib/module/2.6.30-newkernel is non-existant |
| 21:14.59 | korhojoa | i quite like pf though. got a pfsense box as a firewall. |
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| 21:15.42 | jimcooncat | any one of these firewalls that are supported by debian are probably good. But the only good one for you is one that you understand. If you don't understand these things, don't open your ports to the world. |
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| 21:17.18 | korhojoa | jimcooncat: that sounds like something you'd tell your daughter |
| 21:17.55 | jimcooncat | korhojoa: I wish I had -- too late. |
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| 21:18.34 | korhojoa | jimcooncat: dude, i'm sorry. i didn't mean to give you bad flashbacks or anything |
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| 21:18.53 | korhojoa | i need to write that down, btw |
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| 21:19.55 | jimcooncat | A firewall is like a chastity belt, though. |
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| 21:20.28 | korhojoa | except chastity belts are supposed to be one-way |
| 21:20.32 | korhojoa | you know, pee out, nothing in |
| 21:20.34 | topgun21 | Where do i install the broadcom-wl drivers /libor or /lib/firmware? |
| 21:20.39 | korhojoa | firewalls usually let something in |
| 21:21.40 | topgun21 | !broadcom |
| 21:21.40 | dpkg | For wireless cards using Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>, <b43legacy> or <bcm43xx>. For Ethernet cards, ask me about <bcm5906m> to use NetLink BCM5906M with Linux 2.6.18 (Etch), or see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux for BCM47XX series. |
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| 21:22.15 | topgun21 | Is sid unstable |
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| 21:22.48 | jimcooncat | It's used to protect the innocent from being entered. Once there's experience though, it's not needed if the ports are managed and hardened. |
| 21:23.34 | abrotman | topgun21: i answered you five minutes ago |
| 21:24.37 | korhojoa | Jindrak: that's creepy and accurate |
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| 21:24.46 | korhojoa | wait |
| 21:24.50 | topgun21 | abrotman: Please pm me the fix ort i will give uop and return to ubuntu |
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| 21:25.05 | korhojoa | dude what? |
| 21:25.09 | korhojoa | you switched to win |
| 21:25.13 | korhojoa | and you're going back to fail? |
| 21:25.21 | abrotman | korhojoa: are you going to be useful? |
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| 21:25.30 | abrotman | !tell topgun21 about b43-fwcutter |
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| 21:26.59 | korhojoa | abrotman: probably not. sorry. i'm way past my usual bedtime. i'm going. bye. -> |
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| 21:28.16 | Javi-AFK | -MiGueLL_- VERSION mIRC v6.21 Khaled Mardam-Bey no digo más :) |
| 21:28.18 | Javi-AFK | buenas noches! |
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| 21:29.07 | Javi-AFK | sorry guys wrong channel! |
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| 21:33.54 | yezariaely | any possibility to find out what were the latest pakets which have bin installed using apt? |
| 21:34.09 | svenx | yes, check /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 21:34.24 | svenx | i normally do grep ' installed ' /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 21:34.24 | yezariaely | oh sure ^^ |
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| 21:34.59 | yezariaely | missed the obvious thing, thx |
| 21:37.46 | carrot | is there a way to launch an x11 application through crontab? or do i have to run the command for the x11 app in an xterm for it to launch properly? |
| 21:38.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | carrot, you can if you set DISPLAY - but it only works if the same user is really logged on |
| 21:38.53 | topgun21 | Is there a repoitory with the correct driver for my BCM4312 wifi card |
| 21:39.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !BCM4312 |
| 21:39.18 | dpkg | Broadcom BCM4312-based wireless LAN devices are supported by the <b43> driver, except for the low-power version (14e4:4315). If you have this specific version, ask me about <ndiswrapper> or <wl>. |
| 21:39.22 | carrot | CutMeOwnThroat: so if i did something like DISPLAY=0:0;xmms; it would work? |
| 21:39.32 | carrot | provided that x for that user is already running? |
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| 21:40.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | topgun21, you can /msg dpkg b43 I guess (and so on following the <>s) |
| 21:40.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, but only if the user whose crontab entry this is 'owns' :0 |
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| 21:41.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's :0 not 0:0 |
| 21:41.14 | carrot | hmm, let me try this |
| 21:41.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or :0.0 but that's equivalent) |
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| 21:42.47 | carrot | i'm not getting any success using music@moe:~$ DISPLAY=:0;xmms; in an ssh session |
| 21:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh, abrotman already answered the BCM4312 question |
| 21:43.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | grr |
| 21:43.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually he answered it twice |
| 21:44.08 | Kvant | carrot, try: DISPLAY=:0 xmms |
| 21:44.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | separating by semicolon should work as well... it's in the same shell |
| 21:45.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, might not work if xmms uses a shell script as a wrapper, though |
| 21:45.35 | carrot | awesome, it works! |
| 21:45.37 | carrot | thanks guys |
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| 21:47.52 | adama_ | !next |
| 21:47.52 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 21:49.45 | carrot | who says i'm leaving? i'm sticking with you guys now ;p |
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| 21:52.45 | Joshua_Mayer | Hey Guys |
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| 21:58.10 | lxsameer | how does xterm work? |
| 21:58.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | enthusiastically? |
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| 21:58.40 | korhojoa | :D |
| 21:58.43 | ajavid | hi |
| 21:58.54 | korhojoa | ï guess it makes a tty or pty or something |
| 21:59.00 | ajavid | does anyone know of a well working script, or a tool/software that automates mysql backups? |
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| 21:59.06 | ajavid | packaged ind ebian pref. |
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| 21:59.11 | twobitsprite | lxsameer: user the source, Luke |
| 21:59.25 | plugwash | lxsamer by allocating a pty/tty pair, passing the tty to the child and connecting terminal emulation code to the pty |
| 21:59.28 | asg | ajavid: a cron job that runs mysqldump |
| 21:59.35 | lxsameer | twobitsprite: ??? |
| 21:59.46 | ajavid | asg, http://pastie.org/509069 <- this too stupid |
| 21:59.47 | ajavid | ? |
| 21:59.50 | twobitsprite | lxsameer: it's open source... if you want to know the details, look at the source :) |
| 22:00.02 | ajavid | asg, I can't quite figure out how to structure the files |
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| 22:00.13 | ajavid | asg, I'd like a nightly full backup if possible, dated/timestamped |
| 22:00.27 | ajavid | asg, so I though to put it into directories |
| 22:00.33 | ajavid | asg, what would you advise? |
| 22:00.45 | nsadmin | you can get date to provide part of the filename |
| 22:00.50 | lxsameer | plugwash: where can i find more about the concepts , i searched but nothing found |
| 22:00.52 | twobitsprite | !tell ajavid about enter |
| 22:00.54 | ajavid | nsadmin, look at script |
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| 22:01.11 | ajavid | twobitsprite, thank you very much |
| 22:01.16 | twobitsprite | np :) |
| 22:01.25 | ajavid | I sometimes get hyper :) |
| 22:01.59 | nsadmin | hyper is on #askreddit |
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| 22:02.29 | twobitsprite | understandable. It just not only helps us follow what you're saying, but also forces you to think before typing and produce well thought out sentences. It's a win/win. :) |
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| 22:02.32 | ajavid | Icould probably do backups/databases/year/month/$db.day_of_month.sql |
| 22:02.33 | ajavid | ? |
| 22:02.40 | ajavid | does that sound alright |
| 22:02.41 | ChrisW | hurm, how would I make debian find an eSATA drive which is powered up after the machine comes up? |
| 22:02.57 | ajavid | yeh i think that might be better |
| 22:03.11 | plugwash | lxsameer, for how it allocates a tty/pty pair man ptmx |
| 22:03.29 | plugwash | for emulating a terminal try a good search for terminal emulation or vt100 or something |
| 22:03.42 | zinx | ChrisW: can try upgrading your kernel if there's a newer one available |
| 22:04.06 | twobitsprite | zinx: how would that help? |
| 22:04.10 | zinx | ChrisW: afaik that's a function of the chipset supporting hotplug, and the drivers in debian for that chipset supporting it too |
| 22:04.16 | twobitsprite | ahh |
| 22:04.28 | ChrisW | zinx: I should have the latest kernel... |
| 22:04.34 | anibal | hello, I'm using python2.6 now, but every package I install it seems configured only for python2.5 and the import fails with 2.6, any ideas? |
| 22:04.42 | asg | ajavid: since mysqldump sends the data to stdout by default, just "> backup-$(date '+%Y%m%d')" |
| 22:04.56 | zinx | ChrisW: look for 'SATA hotplug linux <your chipset here>' on google |
| 22:05.01 | zinx | or eSATA |
| 22:05.10 | ChrisW | how do I know what my chipset is? |
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| 22:05.19 | zinx | ChrisW: lspci should show it |
| 22:05.19 | nsadmin | anibal: rebuild the packages you want on the 2.6 python |
| 22:05.22 | carrot | how do you pronounce debian? with a long E or a short E? |
| 22:05.22 | twobitsprite | zinx: http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#matrix |
| 22:05.27 | ajavid | asg, come again |
| 22:05.46 | zinx | ChrisW: mine is 'CK804', for example, because lspci says 'nVidia Corporation CK804 Serial ATA Controller (rev f3)' |
| 22:05.48 | ajavid | asg, DIRPATH="/home/ajavid/backups/databases/`date +%Y`/`date +%B`"; mysqldump -pPASSWORD $db | gzip > $DIRPATH/$db.`date +%d`.sql.gz |
| 22:05.48 | anibal | nsadmin, Thanks! how can I do this? using pycentral? |
| 22:05.54 | ajavid | asg, hang |
| 22:06.22 | asg | ajavid: however you want to do it is fine. |
| 22:06.22 | twobitsprite | carrot: the name comes from the creator and his wife's name. Debrah + Ian = Debian... so I pronounce it with a short E |
| 22:06.23 | ajavid | asg, http://pastie.org/509093 |
| 22:06.29 | zinx | twobitsprite: yeah - googling may turn up patches or such, though |
| 22:06.40 | nsadmin | well probably you'd apt-get source <python-module-name> then cd in there then dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 22:07.01 | ChrisW | zinx: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/122591/ |
| 22:07.06 | ChrisW | what am I looking for in there? |
| 22:07.08 | anibal | nsadmin, ok, I'll try that, but there should be a nicer way |
| 22:07.22 | zinx | ChrisW: 82801EB or ICH5 |
| 22:07.27 | ajavid | i think is is good |
| 22:07.43 | nsadmin | in place of dpkg-buildpackage, you can debian/rules clean && debian/rules build && debian/rules binary |
| 22:07.53 | ChrisW | follows twobitsprite's link |
| 22:08.12 | ChrisW | hurm, how do I find which driver I have in use on that link? |
| 22:08.14 | ajavid | this is will do a /databases/Year/Month/database.day_of_month.sql |
| 22:08.25 | nsadmin | you might have to run them under fakeroot |
| 22:08.28 | ajavid | that way every day it can do a dump once a day |
| 22:08.33 | zinx | ChrisW: lsmod should show the modules |
| 22:08.34 | ajavid | and I have a full daily backup |
| 22:08.43 | ajavid | this seems ok I think, what do you think? |
| 22:08.45 | zinx | ChrisW: grep for ata it looks like |
| 22:08.50 | ajavid | full nightly's too much? |
| 22:08.58 | anibal | nsadmin, hm, thanks, I'll have a look at that |
| 22:09.20 | zinx | ChrisW: i think it's probably ata_piix |
| 22:09.50 | ChrisW | yeah, I see ata_generic in a grep too |
| 22:09.50 | nsadmin | no guarantees, ahd you might have to edit some files in there |
| 22:09.54 | zinx | ChrisW: so googling for 'ata_piix hotplug' would be a good option |
| 22:10.03 | ajavid | no, thats no good iether, FUCK GODODAMaisia;oldh;klfasdf |
| 22:10.08 | ajavid | argh. |
| 22:10.17 | zinx | ChrisW: should turn up any patches, if there are any (there may not be) |
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| 22:10.42 | ChrisW | well, twobitsprite's link says "no", however, I just eject'ed and then powered down and unplugged the external drive, before reversing the process, and it was fine to re-mount it |
| 22:10.42 | deco | after installing debian my repository list is empty... what are the repos i have to add ? |
| 22:11.07 | ChrisW | however, when I booted up without the external drive powered on, mount wouldn't find it even when ti was powered on |
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| 22:11.48 | nsadmin | deco: your /etc/apt/sources.list is an empty file? |
| 22:12.03 | deco | nsadmin: yep just installed from the first cd |
| 22:12.22 | nsadmin | what country are you in? |
| 22:12.56 | nsadmin | nm, got it. |
| 22:14.05 | nsadmin | what does cat /etc/debian_version say |
| 22:14.26 | carrot | twobitsprite: that's what i thought also, but i heard someone say it differently once |
| 22:14.29 | ajavid | DIRPATH="/home/ajavid/backups/databases/`date +%B`_`date +%Y`/Day_`date +%d`" |
| 22:14.34 | ajavid | alright, this makes sense to me |
| 22:14.39 | ajavid | fine, whatever |
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| 22:15.36 | nsadmin | well deb is short for deborah or debbie or something... and she wouldn't want her hame pronounced as deeeeeeebie... |
| 22:15.37 | doglino | HOw I know if a file is a hard link? |
| 22:15.46 | ajavid | man file |
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| 22:16.28 | themill | doglino: the link count in ls -l will be greater than 1 (second column) |
| 22:16.31 | nsadmin | doglino: all filenames are actually hard links |
| 22:16.43 | nsadmin | which point at the inode |
| 22:16.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | except for soft links :-P |
| 22:16.55 | nsadmin | so it's going to be hard to tell |
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| 22:17.00 | carrot | i'm pretty sure you can use stat |
| 22:17.13 | deco | are the repos for the usa? |
| 22:17.17 | deco | what are * |
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| 22:17.27 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, I think yer right |
| 22:17.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he really wanted to ask the question that themill answered :) |
| 22:17.33 | ajavid | oh my god |
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| 22:17.35 | ajavid | coulda fucking told me |
| 22:17.40 | ajavid | DIRPATH="/home/ajavid/backups/databases/`date +%F`" :/ |
| 22:17.54 | doglino | nsadmin "all filenames are actually hard link" , please show me a link the explains it better |
| 22:18.23 | nsadmin | but it's still goign to be hard to tell, all that will say is "here's N hard links, one of them is the original" |
| 22:18.29 | ajavid | asg, what is this syntax ? $(date '+%Y%m%d') |
| 22:18.34 | ajavid | $() |
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| 22:18.55 | themill | ajavid: $() are the new ` ` |
| 22:18.55 | nsadmin | say you make a file A and then a hard link to it B |
| 22:19.04 | ajavid | oh |
| 22:19.15 | nsadmin | if you ls -l, BOTH will have increased link counts |
| 22:19.23 | ajavid | and why are the date parameters single quoted? |
| 22:19.37 | nsadmin | so you can't tell from that which is the original and which is the link |
| 22:19.54 | ajavid | like in using backtick i didn' thave to but in this new one you have to? |
| 22:19.56 | themill | ajavid: you would normally have spaces in the format specification so it's habit. |
| 22:19.58 | ajavid | why is this new? |
| 22:20.17 | Polarina | nsadmin: Hard-links are like, copy-on-write? |
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| 22:20.29 | themill | ajavid: you can nest $() but you can't nest backticks |
| 22:20.43 | lxsameer | plugwash: what is the role of bash here int ptmx i mean |
| 22:21.01 | nsadmin | all files are hard links to inodes (with the possible exception of symbolic links) |
| 22:21.03 | themill | Polarina: that's one use of them but not normally, no |
| 22:21.43 | doglino | nsadmin "all files are hard links to inodes" now I did understand |
| 22:22.24 | Polarina | themill: There are multiple variations of hard links? |
| 22:22.42 | ajavid | ahh |
| 22:22.55 | nsadmin | so if you ln without -s, what you're doing is making another hard link but to an existing inode |
| 22:23.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | doglino, that's why your original question didn't make sense :) |
| 22:23.45 | doglino | CutMeOwnThroat ;) |
| 22:23.46 | nsadmin | and btw, hard links and the inode they point at must be on the same physical volume |
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| 22:23.56 | themill | Polarina: no. Hardlinks don't normally do COW at all, but they are a good place to start out if you want to do some COW stuff under linux on a regular filesystem that doesn't support COW natively. See for example the cowdancer package. |
| 22:24.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | and they're 100% equivalent - if you remove the 1st hardlink, then you will have done the same as what "mv" does |
| 22:24.06 | binrapt | What package do I need to compile && link 32-bit C++ applications on a 64-bit Lenny? |
| 22:24.10 | nsadmin | well same filesystem |
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| 22:24.17 | binrapt | I've figured it out for C already, but not for C++ yet |
| 22:24.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously... it's hard to create a hardlink on a different filesystem :) |
| 22:25.04 | themill | binrapt: ia32-libs isn't sufficient? |
| 22:25.06 | carrot | g++ |
| 22:25.13 | carrot | oh |
| 22:25.19 | binrapt | I haven't tried that one, let's see |
| 22:25.21 | carrot | shame on me for not paying attention |
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| 22:26.18 | carrot | don't forget that you may have to change things like long into uint32 |
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| 22:26.53 | nsadmin | a long is 32 bits?? |
| 22:26.58 | binrapt | Oh? Why is that? Does the 32-bit compiler suite think it's 64-bit for some reason? |
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| 22:27.07 | nsadmin | actually nm... that's compiler dependent |
| 22:27.10 | binrapt | Yes indeed |
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| 22:27.52 | binrapt | Still geting ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.2/libstdc++.so when searching for -lstdc++ |
| 22:27.53 | binrapt | Hmm |
| 22:28.02 | binrapt | Aftrer doing apt-get install ia32-libs, the-dude |
| 22:28.04 | doglino | if I create a hl to a file, then I have space in disk used in double?(sorry about english) |
| 22:28.05 | binrapt | themill even |
| 22:28.17 | binrapt | doglino no |
| 22:28.18 | nsadmin | therefore if you use int or long or short and you're expecting a particular bit width, you're doing the wrong thing |
| 22:28.39 | binrapt | The space consumed by the link is just some inode stuff or so, less than a kilobyte or two I think |
| 22:28.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell binrapt -about apt-file |
| 22:28.52 | themill | binrapt: You probably need to tell the compiler where to look. http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/lib32stdc++6/filelist |
| 22:29.10 | doglino | binrapt so it is a great ideia |
| 22:29.14 | doglino | :D |
| 22:29.22 | binrapt | I've never used hardlinks myself |
| 22:29.26 | binrapt | I use symbolic links only |
| 22:29.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... if you have a concrete filename, look in which packages it can be found |
| 22:29.32 | binrapt | I don't really see the point of hard links |
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| 22:29.51 | doglino | it seems rsnapshot uses |
| 22:29.52 | nsadmin | binrapt: here's an example |
| 22:29.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | binrapt, apt-cache show rsnapshot - that's one good use |
| 22:30.07 | themill | and cowdancer is another one |
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| 22:30.26 | nsadmin | binrapt: when you use mkdir, it also creates two hard links |
| 22:30.26 | eldowan | binrapt: IIRC, if you use a hard link, and rm the original filename, the hard link you created still works. |
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| 22:30.35 | nsadmin | one to itself called . |
| 22:30.43 | nsadmin | one to the parent dir called .. |
| 22:30.51 | binrapt | eldowan yes, it won't get deleted until all references are gone or so |
| 22:30.51 | cognitiaclaeves | Does iptotal work out of the box when installed on etch? I'm getting a segmentation fault, and I can't seem to find a google answer why... |
| 22:31.13 | teratoma | cognitiaclaeves: did you strace iptotal ? |
| 22:31.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, not sure what cowdancer really does from the package description |
| 22:31.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or what for) |
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| 22:32.02 | doglino | Using hard links, rsnapshot creates the illusion of multiple full backups |
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| 22:32.08 | doglino | http://rsnapshot.org/howto/1.2/rsnapshot-HOWTO.en.html |
| 22:32.14 | binrapt | Btw I already have lib32stdc++6 |
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| 22:32.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, that's what we were hinting at :) |
| 22:32.37 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/cowdancer.html.en |
| 22:32.38 | cognitiaclaeves | teratoma: I don't know how to read straces. |
| 22:33.01 | nsadmin | cognitiaclaeves have you ever just tried? |
| 22:33.02 | teratoma | cognitiaclaeves: try it. you'll probably figure out what is wrong |
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| 22:33.10 | binrapt | g++-4.3-multilib worked apparently |
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| 22:33.38 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: It's mainly used as a much faster way of building packages in a clean chroot without having to spend as much time creating and destroying the chroot each time |
| 22:34.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, when you use one chroot with a build environment for multiple packages... |
| 22:34.31 | cognitiaclaeves | ok. What is /etc/ld.so.nohwcap? |
| 22:34.41 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg01566.html |
| 22:35.02 | cognitiaclaeves | ( Because whatever it is, I don't have it. ) |
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| 22:42.07 | doglino | people thanks all for help, bye |
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| 22:43.27 | SQlvpapir | !dhcpd |
| 22:43.35 | SQlvpapir | hmm |
| 22:43.57 | cromag | mangler du lidt info ? :D |
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| 22:44.20 | cromag | måske botten bare er dum :x |
| 22:44.56 | abrotman | cromag: english please |
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| 22:47.00 | hesco | can anyone please recommend a cli tool which will play an .ogg file ??? |
| 22:47.01 | cognitiaclaeves | What is /etc/localtime? |
| 22:47.01 | Alam_Lenny | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:47.35 | cognitiaclaeves | Ok. I have no idea what strace is telling me. It appears to run longer before it segfaults now. |
| 22:47.58 | cognitiaclaeves | I gather that /etc/localtime is not meant to be executable? |
| 22:48.09 | abrotman | hesco: music123 |
| 22:48.23 | hesco | abrotman: thanks, trying that now |
| 22:48.29 | Alam_Lenny | cognitiaclaeves, correct |
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| 22:48.35 | abrotman | hesco: if you just need ogg .. ogg123 |
| 22:48.51 | abrotman | hesco: if you mean with a curses interface .. i'll see what i can find |
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| 22:52.45 | cognitiaclaeves | Ok. That was fun. Anyone know if iptotal is totally broken out of the box on etch? |
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| 22:59.55 | bookmark | hi |
| 23:00.04 | bookmark | does anyone know what package is sdl? |
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| 23:00.24 | streuner | search for libsdl? |
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| 23:00.54 | streuner | bookmark: apt-cache search libsdl |
| 23:01.32 | streuner | bookmark: why do you ask? |
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| 23:02.43 | dacs | does anyone know which port linksys gui use ? |
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| 23:03.52 | abrotman | probably 80 by default .. get the manual from their website |
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| 23:04.16 | bookmark | streuner, but the libsdl isn't the runtime is it? |
| 23:04.54 | streuner | bookmark: i have no idea what you talking about, you should give us more details (context) in order to get help |
| 23:05.09 | b23 | hi, when I start a screen session for a long time, with a lot of output like a tail of syslog. Where screen save the ouput? nohup do it in a file nohup.out and screen? |
| 23:05.13 | dacs | abrotman: i need to do port fw in my router at home, and i am 3k miles away |
| 23:05.33 | abrotman | dacs: and? probably ask #networking |
| 23:05.47 | streuner | !listkeys sdl |
| 23:05.48 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sdl' by key (10): libsdl1.2debian ;; sdl mess ;; _default esd-sdl ;; _default sdl ;; sdl-esd ;; esd-sdl ;; #debian sdl ;; sdl ;; sdls ;; sdl rename. |
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| 23:06.39 | abrotman | bookmark: yes it is |
| 23:06.57 | dacs | abrotman: i ssh to my box in that network. and when i use w3m to pull linksys page, it doesn't load the images! :( |
| 23:07.11 | abrotman | dacs: links2 -g ? |
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| 23:07.26 | abrotman | dacs: not really sure why oyu need images .. or why you're asking #debian ? |
| 23:07.36 | bookmark | abrotman, apt-cache search libsdl it looks modulure |
| 23:07.53 | bookmark | oh inevermind i see it |
| 23:07.55 | abrotman | looks what? |
| 23:08.02 | bookmark | libsdl1.2debian - Simple DirectMedia Layer |
| 23:08.04 | bookmark | i have it |
| 23:08.27 | abrotman | and what? |
| 23:08.41 | abrotman | maybe if you tell us what the actual problem is, we could help more |
| 23:08.43 | bookmark | modular haha |
| 23:08.45 | cmyers | hey folks - looks like pidgin is broken in testing. I can't seem to find any open bugs describing the situation. Is anyone aware of what is going on? |
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| 23:09.30 | streuner | cmyers: connecting problems? |
| 23:09.33 | abrotman | cmyers: can you give us more info? |
| 23:09.35 | cmyers | The error I get is: pidgin: Depends: libpurple0 (>= 2.5.6-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 23:09.43 | streuner | hm |
| 23:09.43 | cmyers | then it says E: broken packages |
| 23:09.48 | Gnurdux | that may just be your setup |
| 23:09.53 | bookmark | cmyers, why don't you just use irssi |
| 23:09.53 | Gnurdux | try using aptitude |
| 23:09.57 | streuner | well, its broken then, you dont need to report that |
| 23:10.18 | abrotman | bookmark: why does it matter ? |
| 23:10.31 | nsadmin | bookmark so this is an issue of communication, and the problem right now is we don't quite understand what you're trying to say... so far you're not saying anything about what your specific problem is, and that leads to confusion |
| 23:10.38 | abrotman | judd: versions pidgin |
| 23:10.39 | judd | abrotman: pidgin -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny2~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny2 lenny-backports: 2.5.5-1.1~bpo50+1 sid: 2.5.6-1 squeeze: 2.5.6-1 |
| 23:10.45 | abrotman | judd: versions libpurple0 |
| 23:10.46 | judd | abrotman: libpurple0 -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny2~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny2 lenny-backports: 2.5.5-1.1~bpo50+1 sid: 2.5.6-1 squeeze: 2.5.6-1 |
| 23:10.57 | abrotman | cmyers: aptitude update .. try again |
| 23:11.22 | cmyers | alrighty, I just installed the system like an hour ago, but maybe it's fixed =) |
| 23:11.23 | bookmark | nsadmin: my "problem" or whatever you are talking about is over, i was just looking for what package was the sdl runtime which is known as libsdl |
| 23:11.27 | bookmark | thank |
| 23:11.51 | streuner | cmyers: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:12.01 | netbar | Hello |
| 23:12.10 | streuner | cmyers: its helpful for testing/squeeze users too |
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| 23:12.13 | bookmark | i guess it is because sdl is just a link layer |
| 23:12.34 | abrotman | cmyers: is it working now or not ? |
| 23:12.38 | netbar | Has anybody got shoutcast radio working in Lenny |
| 23:13.05 | netbar | Can't get the plugins to load |
| 23:13.07 | cmyers | I was already installing something else, so I gotta wait for the lock =( |
| 23:13.11 | nsadmin | bookmark: ok, good enough... but later when you have other questions it would be helpful and efficient if you would provide more details and be clearer about them; thanks in advance for doing so |
| 23:13.38 | bookmark | i only asked what package is sdl? |
| 23:13.44 | cmyers | I should probably find a california mirror, I'm only getting 200kbps from ftp.us.debian.org. |
| 23:13.55 | streuner | nah |
| 23:14.09 | streuner | ftp.us.d.o is prolly a round-robin... |
| 23:14.21 | nsadmin | oh, for that you can: apt-cache search sdl |
| 23:14.21 | bookmark | look will it make up with you guys if i appologize |
| 23:14.32 | abrotman | cmyers: yes .. please do so .. but don't think that it'll be faster :) |
| 23:14.45 | nsadmin | I'm not mad at -all- and you're not in any kind of trouble, at -all- |
| 23:14.46 | cmyers | hehe, fair enough =) |
| 23:14.56 | streuner | cmyers: but you can change to exact mirror via sources.list whenever you feel to |
| 23:15.01 | nsadmin | I'm just suggesting ways you can communicate more successfully |
| 23:15.08 | bookmark | i am sorry for taking two lines of the channel's bandwidth |
| 23:15.29 | themill | dpkg, spank bookmark |
| 23:15.29 | dpkg | bends bookmark over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 23:15.40 | themill | bookmark: naughty! now don't do it again! :) |
| 23:15.46 | cmyers | well I'll be, it is fetching a bunch of new stuff, hopefully that fixes it. Jeez, you know, after flipping from "lenny" to "testing", I might have forgotten to do a "dist-upgrade" |
| 23:15.48 | abrotman | cmyers: debian.org/mirrors/list |
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| 23:16.12 | bookmark | i think i've used shoutcast before with gmplayer |
| 23:16.14 | bookmark | or vlc |
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| 23:18.00 | sylarr | how to send a key event? |
| 23:18.01 | netbar | tried vlc and a bunch of others and nothing works |
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| 23:18.10 | sylarr | my caps lock is in reverse |
| 23:18.21 | bookmark | does anyone know what aclocal is? |
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| 23:18.36 | neko__ | sylarr: look at kb options |
| 23:18.42 | neko__ | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:18.50 | abrotman | bookmark: man aclocal |
| 23:18.53 | nsadmin | it's a macro thing that has to do with preparing a ./configure script |
| 23:18.54 | bookmark | i get error: ./autogen.sh: line 24: aclocal: command not found |
| 23:18.55 | neko__ | as root/ w/sudo |
| 23:19.13 | nsadmin | try installing build-essential |
| 23:19.15 | jelly-home | !wayttd bookmark |
| 23:19.15 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, bookmark? |
| 23:19.19 | netbar | streamtuner returns an error of no xmms file or directory |
| 23:19.31 | sylarr | neko__, I need a way to send caps lock without pressing the damn button |
| 23:19.39 | bookmark | nsadmin: build picogui |
| 23:19.40 | neko__ | shift |
| 23:19.47 | jelly-home | bookmark: if you're building stuff from source, you're going to need -dev packages |
| 23:19.49 | nsadmin | try installing build-essential |
| 23:19.50 | cmyers | ok, I have apt-get update / apt-get dist-upgrade / apt-get install pidgin and I still get the message about it being broken. my apt sources point to "testing" |
| 23:19.52 | neko__ | sylarr: why cant u use the capslocs button |
| 23:19.53 | sylarr | (because then my host change it too, and itstay reversed) |
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| 23:19.59 | neko__ | lappy? odd kb? |
| 23:20.07 | sylarr | freenx |
| 23:20.09 | netbar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.14 | sylarr | via X |
| 23:20.15 | cmyers | looks like my initial suspicion that pidgin is currently broken in testing may be correct. |
| 23:20.25 | bookmark | build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 23:20.38 | nsadmin | ok, try installing autotools |
| 23:20.41 | bookmark | i have make and g++ installed also |
| 23:20.42 | themill | bookmark: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 23:21.03 | nsadmin | that's a good idea too |
| 23:21.36 | bookmark | E: couldn't find autotools and bash: /msg: No such file or dir |
| 23:21.57 | themill | dpkg: tell bookmark about apt-file |
| 23:22.00 | cmyers | I'm not sure I understand why dpkg says "libpurple0 is not going to be installed" when it is clearly listed as a dependency of pidgin. |
| 23:22.10 | themill | dpkg: tell cmyers about bat |
| 23:22.25 | neko__ | cmyers: theres a broken something dependancy |
| 23:22.34 | neko__ | try telling it to install just that package |
| 23:22.46 | neko__ | chances are its a version mismatch - needs a higher version than in the repos? |
| 23:22.50 | neko__ | at least i see that a lot |
| 23:23.15 | bookmark | the mill: thank you |
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| 23:23.49 | abrotman | that's a new one ... |
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| 23:23.54 | cmyers | themill: thanks, the paste is at http://paste.debian.net/38829/ |
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| 23:24.01 | cmyers | looks like it is getting 500's for the packages |
| 23:24.08 | nsadmin | oh, it's in automake |
| 23:24.10 | cmyers | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.23 | cmyers | hmm, maybe I should go back to ftp.us.d.o |
| 23:24.55 | abrotman | cmyers: what source line did you use ? |
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| 23:25.37 | cmyers | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 23:25.44 | abrotman | no .. the ucsc one |
| 23:25.49 | cmyers | still gives me 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Packages |
| 23:25.53 | abrotman | and you probably want to try 'squeeze', not 'testing' |
| 23:26.00 | cmyers | deb http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 23:26.16 | cmyers | is "testing" a deprecated name for it now? |
| 23:26.18 | nsadmin | take the / off the end |
| 23:26.19 | themill | cmyers: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" as well? |
| 23:26.42 | abrotman | cmyers: no, but they mean different things |
| 23:26.47 | abrotman | nsadmin: that shouldn't matter |
| 23:26.50 | cmyers | http://paste.debian.net/38830/ |
| 23:26.57 | cmyers | yeh, lemme try the "/" thing |
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| 23:27.32 | themill | cmyers: what does "aptitude why not libpurple0" have to say? |
| 23:27.46 | abrotman | why-not |
| 23:27.49 | themill | err... aptitude why-not libpurple0 |
| 23:28.24 | themill | Actually, aptitude would be much better than apt-get here anyway as it's more verbose when it complains |
| 23:28.27 | cmyers | Unable to find a reason to remove libpurple0. |
| 23:29.20 | cmyers | whoa, aptitude is installing it |
| 23:29.31 | cmyers | I will pastebin full output in a sec |
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| 23:29.59 | cmyers | the solution aptitude suggested is downgrading libsasl2-2 |
| 23:30.03 | nsadmin | perhaps you don't need to, if the problem is solved just by using aptitude instead |
| 23:30.08 | charzero | I've got a hard drive that I'd like to be able to move between two Debian systems, on is i386, the other is powerpc. (data only, no boot loader or os). Should I use lvm pvcreate on the disk unpartitioned? |
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| 23:30.41 | cmyers | if apt is unable to install pidgin, then the problem isn't solved. Workaround and solution are two different things. |
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| 23:30.59 | cmyers | but a workaround is what I came to the channel primarily looking for, so I do appreciate the help =) |
| 23:31.06 | nsadmin | charzero: so you want to use lvm on the whole disk? remember that macos and windows will not be able to see any of it if you do that |
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| 23:31.26 | abrotman | cmyers: can you paste your sources.list ? |
| 23:31.34 | charzero | nsadmin: That is fine. I only need to read it from Linux. I have not MacOS or Windows installations. |
| 23:31.45 | cmyers | http://paste.debian.net/38832/ - here is the complete aptitude output |
| 23:32.00 | charzero | nsadmin: It is okay to not have a partition table, right? The disk controller doesn't care, or even know, right? |
| 23:32.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not a workaround to use aptitude... it's just a way to fix your messed-up dependencies |
| 23:32.05 | nsadmin | ok, good enough. but I would recommend using a partition that covers the whole drive |
| 23:32.13 | cmyers | http://paste.debian.net/38834/ here is my sources.list |
| 23:32.19 | purplepenguins | there isn't much reason to use lvm honestly |
| 23:32.42 | abrotman | cmyers: 1) I'd change it from 'testing' to 'squeeze' 2) you don't have security sources for squeeze |
| 23:32.42 | purplepenguins | unless you're going crazy installing linux distros or something |
| 23:32.48 | charzero | nsadmin: What kind of partition table do I use? Or does it not matter, so long as I am consistent? |
| 23:33.01 | themill | another win for aptitude |
| 23:33.04 | cmyers | purplepenguins, that may be true for you, but not for everyone. anyone using raid, or that needs to manage and dynamically resize partitions should use LVM |
| 23:33.18 | purplepenguins | maybe |
| 23:33.20 | nsadmin | charzero: as long as it works on both systems you should be fine |
| 23:33.33 | cmyers | squeeze has security sources now? hmm, used to be testing didn't have security stuff I thought. The world has changed =) |
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| 23:33.40 | purplepenguins | we have a raided server here, but we don't need lvm |
| 23:33.41 | nsadmin | so make a partition and then check it on both machines |
| 23:33.49 | themill | dpkg: tell cmyers about testing security |
| 23:33.51 | nsadmin | do you have this in a usb case? |
| 23:34.11 | charzero | nsadmin: Will linux-i386 be able to read it if it is a mac partition table? |
| 23:34.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | cmyers, he was referring to what charzero said... and I don't see why you would want it in this case either |
| 23:34.15 | abrotman | cmyers: just make sure your sources all match .. either squeeze or testing .. |
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| 23:34.31 | cmyers | thanks folks for the helpful pointers |
| 23:34.33 | nsadmin | charzero: try it and see; that's what I'm telling you |
| 23:34.44 | charzero | nsadmin: Unfortunately, I do'nt have an i386 box yet. |
| 23:35.53 | nsadmin | ok, so I think that #hardware channel is a good additional resource |
| 23:36.12 | nsadmin | because I don't know either :) |
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| 23:37.41 | cmyers | another reason to use LVM is if you wanted to use encryption, which LVM can do transparently, I believe. But it is true, in that particular situation, unless you needed it for something specific, you could skip LVM. |
| 23:38.03 | adama_ | how do I run three commands at once and wait for them all to finish before I get the terminal back? |
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| 23:38.08 | purplepenguins | hmm, i didn't know about that encryption |
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| 23:41.17 | nsadmin | adama_: & |
| 23:41.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | adama_, cmd;cmd;cmd ? |
| 23:41.42 | cmyers | ok, I have everything using squeeze, and included the update lines, things seem to work fine. Just to clarify though - squeeze is the name for "testing" just as lenny is the current name for stable, right? |
| 23:41.43 | nsadmin | like: cmd1 & cnd2 & cmd3 & |
| 23:41.48 | adama_ | nsadmin: tried that - if the last command finishes first I get the terminal and the others are still going |
| 23:42.05 | adama_ | nsadmin: that will give me the terminal back instantly |
| 23:42.15 | adama_ | CutMeOwnThroat: those won't run at the same time |
| 23:42.20 | abrotman | cmyers: currently, yes |
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| 23:42.24 | nsadmin | yes they will |
| 23:42.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wayttd |
| 23:42.30 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 23:42.31 | nsadmin | they won't wait for each other |
| 23:42.39 | Qew | adama_: use && between commands |
| 23:42.42 | cmyers | is it is not recommended to use the label testing if you want to always run testing? |
| 23:43.09 | dudeguy | Hi everyone. I opened a lot of images in different tabs in firefox and when i go to each tab and right click the image and select "save image as" it starts downloading the image again instead of just saving it from the temp files, since the image has already been (down)loaded. How chan i fix this? Thanks |
| 23:43.13 | nsadmin | Qew: that will make each wait for the prev AND not run if the previous didn't return success |
| 23:43.44 | Qew | true, but what commands does he want? Maybe he needs them to all succeed. But, yeah, I take your point. |
| 23:43.50 | adama_ | I'm writing a script, I need to run three certain commands which take a long time, but can run on separate processors in parallel. I need the following commands NOT to run until all three are done. |
| 23:43.52 | themill | adama_: help wait |
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| 23:44.13 | nsadmin | cmyers: if you do that you'd be surprised if debian releases when you're not aware of that |
| 23:44.49 | nsadmin | cmyers: so I'd recommend you use the names |
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| 23:45.04 | cmyers | you mean surprised by the flood of "less stable" packages to testing immediately after a stable release? yeh, I suppose |
| 23:45.05 | nsadmin | like squeeze for now |
| 23:45.24 | adama_ | themill: so... cmd1 & cmd2 & cmd3 & wait; moreCmds; etc |
| 23:45.39 | themill | adama_: should work. tias! |
| 23:47.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | adama_, also, this is more for #bash or the like |
| 23:48.13 | adama_ | certainly, this channel is the smartest though |
| 23:48.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | not for this type of question |
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| 23:48.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | they probably even have a FAQ entry for this |
| 23:48.45 | sylarr | anyone know which package xsendkeycode is in? |
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| 23:50.17 | abrotman | sylarr: have you tried to use apt-file ? |
| 23:50.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | adama_, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ is the faq, btw. you might find it generally useful (but I can't find a related entry right now) |
| 23:51.04 | adama_ | thanks! |
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| 23:56.21 | sylarr | abrotman, now tried , thanks |
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| 23:58.58 | netbar | Can anybody help a newbie setup Shoutcast radio in Lenny |